The neoconservative mindset is truly astounding. War, war and more war is the battle cry.

There will always be dangerous factions in the world, but how can chasing these all over the globe be beneficial to us, here in the US, leaving our own nation insufficiently protected, all the while helping the cause of terrorism by providing a most-efficient recruiting tool… our ever-present threat and occupation.

This is a recipe for perpetual war and our founders warned us why foreign meddling only causes mischief and leads to war and resentment abroad.

Perhaps you should study the ‘principles’ that this great country was founded on. Your lack of understanding of these principles is what leads men and nations into turmoil.

So islam is the enemy?
Do you rally want to take a stance you will lose?

The truth is your government has been ordering the mass killing of people in Iraq, afghanistan. and supporting terrorist apartheid regiimes like Israel.

This is why we hate you. We hate you because what you are doing to us, not because of how you live your daily life. we dont give a shit how you live your daily life, your not that special.

“they hate us because of our freedom” is the biggest bullshit line i have ever heard, and someone should smack that shit right out of your ignorant thick skull.

I dare you to openly declare war on islam.

You and your 500,000 troops would come back to you in coffins so fast, you wouldn’t know what hit you, you slimy piece of shit.

If you are for perpetual and undeclared “wars” then you are not a conservative, Mr. Ronald Williams.

Conservatives used to believe that nation-building was an unconstitutional use of our military, and when Clinton was doing it, it was a horrible thing. Rush used to say that the purpose of the armed forces was to “kill people and break things.” It wasn’t until that socialist Bush flipped the script and started his terror war which he declared forcefully, and then proceeded to run like every other liberal government operation (read: impotent and overpriced) that “Republicans” decided to jettison any pretense of believing in small government or the rule of law. Now these same liberal Republicans are crying that Obama is using the government that they supersized to do “socialist” things. Um, no shit Shirlock.

You should love Obama. He is continuing the Bush/Clinton/Bush administration in word and deed. It looks like you got exactly the government that you sat back and let GW and co. build.

Islam isn’t the enemy and have you noticed we have been engaged in some sort of conflict since WW1?? You know how much our popularity around the world would grow as we allowed the world to operate without our interference?? Our Founders were Libertarians. They fought off invasion and went back to living peacefully. Could you imagine if the founders would have pulled a Bush and invaded England back in the 1700’s?? Dumbest idea ever. Lets bring our troops home, have them protect our borders, protect our skies and get government out of peoples lives. Ever read the reasons for terrorist attack?? cause we meddle in Middle East affairs. We put the Shaw into power in Iran in the 50’s, We supported both sides of the Iraq-Iran Conflict, we trained and radicalized Bin Laden and the Afghanies to fight the Soviets. And we have been bombing Iraq for 10 years prior to 9/11. Do you think that there would be no consequences for those actions??? Come on wake up and smell reality. Our government is the reason why terrorist attack us, not our way of life. When we try and force our way of life on them do you expect them not to fight back?? How would you like it if China came in and built 40 military bases on US soil and one right outside Washington D.C.??? How would you like it if China came in and said you had to change your way of life?? Ron Paul wouldn’t isolate us from the world he would open up talks and trade with the world. The US government protects brutal dictators all over the world when they play on our side. We were best friends with Saddam until a few weeks before the first Gulf war. Government Propaganda only works on the weak minded and illinformed. The Gov just hopes not too many people wake up or else their police the world game is over.

Sorry Ronald, you are absolutely right, I should not have misquoted you, that was wrong.

You did write that
“Too many nations detest our way of life”

I would disagree.

Too many nations detest your foreign policy. Your government meddles in the affairs of foreign nations far too often.

As per this article on the front page of the newyorktimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/world/25military.html?hpw

As other commenters hav noted, your government has also attacked and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan. You have committed operations that have killed people in Somalia, Syria and Iran. Your government has Implemented a divide and conquer strategy in the middle east.

Your government is also hypocritical in the fact that it says it promotes democracy, while at the same time supporting the worst dictators in the Middle east. As well as supporting apartheid terrorist regimes like Israel.

This is why we hate your government. We hate your government because it destroys. We hate your government because it is the cause of bloodshed in the middle east. We hate your government because it is the reason our people are under the yolk of dictators.

Actually, we muslims have exercised extreme restraint in the face of such disgusting and evil policies of your government.

I do not think you have come to the realization of the profound effect your wars have caused in our region. Do you know what it feels like to have your neighbourhood destroyed? Do you know what it feels like to have your livelihood destroyed by a cruise missile? Do you know what it feels like to live under an occupation where the occupation forces have raped your family members?

Our dictators do not represent us, they represent your government, and its agenda. Had that not been the case our armies that are sitting and rusting in our deserts and forests would have mounted some sort of defense.

Ron Paul cannot be your president because your nation has become a militant society based on war.

I am compelled to teach you something about your country. Your country spends more on its military than on all of your education system combined.

Your country spends more on its military than on the healthcare system of the nation.

1 trillion dollars annually. This is the ‘Combined’ military budget of the USA.

I, however must apologize that I have personally attacked you. It was uncivil and unwarranted.

However I do think that before you write a blog you must do your homework, go to the primary sources. And get these sources from a variety of places, especially if they do not conform to your governments view.

Democracy is only a facade.

You really believe you have a choice in leadership? Look again.

Ron Paul cant be president because Ron Paul wasn’t chosen to be president.

McCain couldn’t be president because he wasn’t chosen to be the president. You the people, are irrelevant in this choice.

“your government has also attacked and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan. You have committed operations that have killed people in Somalia, Syria and Iran. Your government has Implemented a divide and conquer strategy in the middle east.”

Our nation has made it’s share of bad foreign policy decisions, but not to the dramatic degree that you believe. We have not killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people as you stated above. It is not our nation which seeks to “divide and conquer” that is what the muslims seek to do. Your own Koran tells followers that non-believers must be converted or killed, how’s that for divide and conquer

“As well as supporting apartheid terrorist regimes like Israel.”

Absolutely!! I support Israel!! They are not an apartheid regime. They have been more patient than any nation in our history at showing restraint under constant terrorist bombardment by islamic terrorists on all borders. All they want is for the jihadists to stop blowing themselves up in their crowded streets and stop launching rockets into their country. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

“Your country spends more on its military than on all of your education system combined.”

“Your country spends more on its military than on the healthcare system of the nation.”

First, you are comparing apples and oranges. Second, California itself has proven that more money spent on education most assuredly does not result in a better education. Finally, we still have the best education system in the world. People come to our country to study from around the world. Even many of your future islamic terrorists came to our country to be educated. We also have the greatest healthcare system in the world (for now). People from all corners of the world that can afford to fly here to have life-saving surgeries performed. So compare how much we spend in different areas all you like. No matter how the dollars fall, we seem to have the best education system, healthcare system, and military in the world. By the way what country are you from?

The “Ron Paul is an isolationist” line is so tiresome. He believes, as I do, and as Thomas Jefferson and many of the founders did, that our foreign policy should be free trade with all, entangling alliances with none, and follow the requirements of the constitution when it comes to using the military which require a congressional declaration of war!

I read no further than that one line. While it seemed well written, it is utter nonsense and should be take worth a grain of salt.

In fact, Ron Paul tells us exactly what the president should do here:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul647.html

Lol, the Pentagon and US Military Industrial Complex are playing checkers and the cavemen in Afghanistan are playing chess? Osama couldn’t ask for better propaganda. The neo-cons are the most pro-terrorist faction in the world.

They killed 3000 of us, we killed directly or indirectly 1 million plus of them.

I’m glad to see more and more are waking up to our horrible neocon foreign policy (and now neolib since Obammy is in and continuing Bush’s policies) and not buying the MSM lies anymore about “spreading democracy” around the globe.

Rand Paul 2010
Ron Paul 2012

So much wrong with the article, almost spent time explaining it. Then decided it’d take too much time to educate the man, and I’ve other things to attend to and he’d probably just dig in his heels like the other warfare/wellfare statists.

And have never heard of him, so… movin on…

But just to give a clue, each of these quotes require more than a few paragraphs explaining what’s wrong with the poster’s position:

“Ron Paul is an isolationist”
“majority of Americans want less government intrusion into their daily lives”
“accomplish it by neglecting the safety and defense of our nation”
“nations detest our way of life”
“It’s an easy stand to take”
“ongoing “war on terrorism””
“the easy decision is not always the correct decision”
“It would be easy to withdraw our troops back home and stay out of these affairs.”
“if this foreign policy were adopted it would be but a matter of time before this hatred for our nation hits us within our borders again”

That’s just a couple paragraphs, and each quote I’d would take in context with your intent… not trying to “score points” or any junk like that, just rational facts.

But again, it’d take too long and would fall on deaf ears, so… *leaves*

I’ve got one word for Mr. Williams…”Moron”

The fact that the proven liar George W. Bush was still supported by 25% of the TORY-esque neo-con sheeple tells you all you need to know about who the real hero worshippers are. Ron Paul has 30 years of principled service behind him. The chickenhawk politicians are mostly criminals, particularly those that sold us the wars.

I constantly try to explain this truism to pro-Iraq war Republicans:

If George W. Bush cared about defending the US from terrorism, he would have closed our open borders.

George W. Bush did not defend our borders.

Therefore George W Bush does not care about defending the US from terrorism.

P->Q
~Q
Therefore ~P

Basic, irrefutable logic.

Don’t be a shmuck and get all worked up over something your President couldn’t care less about. I recognize that real terrorism is a threat, but I also recognize that the invasion of Iraq and the occupation of Afghanistan have nothing to do with terrorism.

Never ceases to amaze me how blind these people are when it comes to these wars. We’re not there to fight terrorism. We’re not there to bring democracy. We’re there to protect oil and drugs, keep the region unstable, and make big money for banks and the military industrial complex.

How can anyone in their right mind think that killing 1 million Iraqis and occupying Iraq and Afghanistan makes us safer from terrorism?

Additionally, Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist. He believes in free trade and building allies. We don’t need to spend 1 trillion dollars each year on 2-3 wars and 140 bases around the world. We can control our borders and protect our air and seas by having a strong national defense

Ronald,

– According to the CIA, our aggressive foreign policy “over there” incites hatred and motivates terrorists to attack us. So how can Ron Paul’s idea of bringing the troops home be construed as weak on terror?

– Know your history. We were rich, free, and more Christian just a few decades ago, and they did not try to terrorize us then. But they did get kinda upset when we started toppling leaders, setting up puppet regimes, and building military bases.

– Also, bankrupting your country by fighting wars all over the globe is definitely a great way to weaken…er…destroy our military!

– And what do you make of Ronald Reagan’s statement, that “the soul of conservativism is liberterianism?”

Rep. Paul is a Republican.If a person believes in liberty he is a libertarian, small “l”.He runs as a Republican and will run as a Republican hopefully in 2012.He ran as a Libertarian in 1988 and realized the opposition to third parties.He is not an isolationist,he is a non-interventionist.Big difference.He believes in free trade and friendship with other nations.That doesn’t mean he’d be weak on national defense.Thomas Jefferson had the same position with other nations.Ron Paul believes in commerce and ideas instead of bombs and invasion.Our interventionist attitude is working well with our safety so far.Try going through an airport and see how safe they act now that wer’e all over the globe spreading democracy.Please run Ron,honesty is the best cleanser.

Beamer, thank you. You and I are friends in freedom. What you wrote is meaningful to me. The reason why I know these wars are based on lies and why I know they don’t hate us for our “way of life” is exactly what you wrote. I don’t know who you are personally but I would never attack you because your writing tells me you’re a principled person. These wars are based on lies. When the US wasn’t involved in propping up dictators, conducting invasions, and massive bombing attacks we were never attacked by anyone in the Middle East. To suggest that Islam is the enemy of the US is to misunderstand what the Constitution is all about. They’re our brothers and they deserve the same respect and rights all men are endowed by their creator with. This blog is the product of a fool. Thank you again. Peace through strength, freedom, prosperity, and NON INTERVENTIONISM. Just like the founders advised us.

Ronald Williams, you will bankrupt this country with your philosophy. There will be no country left to defend because it will be financially ruined. Sustenance farmers are not a threat to the national security of the United States of America.

Ronald Williams is about as un-conservative as it comes when it comes to realistic budgeting.

Ronald,

You seem like an intelligent chap… so I find it a bit perplexing that you confuse two very distinct and separate political ideologies with regard to foreign policy. You call Ron Paul (and Libertarians in general) “isolationist”, when in fact, the correct terminology is “non-interventionist”.

Here, let me help you with this. An isolationist desires and wishes to enforce a policy of no contact, or as little contact as possible, with nations outside a specific sphere.. or, in the most extreme cases, no contact outside their own boarders. A non-interventionist is one who has no problem with all kinds of external contacts and exchanges (diplomats, negotiations on common interests, free trade, open travel, etc) but they draw the line at using force (or the threat there of) towards any nation concerning the internal affairs of that nation, or with taking sides in disputes between other nations.

Does that make sense Ronald? If so, then perhaps you should print a retraction. If you still stand by your ignorance, then defend it in light of the above. We look forward to it.

Ronald,

I just read the rest of your article.

I wish to retract my earlier comment above.. “you seem like an intelligent chap”.

You may still be intelligent, but you are certainly either misinformed, or profoundly dishonest with yourself. Neither of these possibilities bodes well for your intelligence.

Ronald Williams said, “Take a trip to Arlington National Cemetary and you will see rows upon rows of men and women…”

Well Ronald, let us hope they did not die in vain, and that their untimely deaths contribute to society’s understanding of the folly of aggressive warfare.

Think about it.

Sir, you are no conservative and before bashing Ron Paul you should actually do some research because your article is flawed with an incorrect summation of Ron Paul.

Neocons don’t know that they are neocons, and not true conservatives, so here is the wiki definition:

Neoconservatism is a right-wing political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Consequently the term is chiefly applicable to certain Americans and their strong supporters. In economics, unlike paleoconservatives and libertarians, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

Bush brought us No Child Left Behind, Medicare Prescription Drug Bill and a big government foreign policy. He was a true neocon, yet people think he was a conservative.

@tog2476

Mr. Williams is an active duty marine. I suggest you retract your accusations against him. One of the things we can learn when debating is not to attack the person but the idea. The idea of endless foreign wars is a bad one. The person presenting those views is most likely not a villain but a normal human like the rest of us. Mr. Williams I apologize on behalf of the treatment you’ve received in these comments. I still think you’re paper is a horrible idea though!! But best of luck and my your journeys lead you to a greater understanding of freedom.

Mr. Williams,

The problem with your brand of so called “conservatism” is that it is profoundly self contradictory at almost every turn.

Neo-cons (I use to be one, by the way) pay lip service to the founders and the Constitution… then turn clean around and support things that violate the Constitution and would make Madison and Jefferson hurl: The Patriot Act, Undeclared War with Prolonged Military Invasions and Occupations, etc.

Neo-cons speak long winded about the dangers of centralized power, then turn clean around and support things that lead directly to an increase in centralized power: Greater Authority for the Executive Branch, Massive Deficit Spending, Warrant-less Wire Tapping, etc.

Neo-cons will claim they don’t trust Big Brother when it comes to any number of domestic issues, then turn clean around and believe whatever Big Brother has to say about our supposed enemies overseas: “Those der Arabs got dem a nucleer actor… let’s get em.”
The only conclusion I can draw from this is that neo-cons think big government can’t do anything right at home, but can’t do anything wrong overseas.

What a Hoot!

The author is absolutely incorrect. Ron Paul is most definitely NOT an isolationist, Dr. Paul is a non-interventionist. There is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE between the two. It is extremely disingenuous of the author to perpetuate this incorrect information. The only way this author could still call Dr. Paul an isolationist would be due to being uninformed. RP has explained this position time and time again. His position has been clarified especially over the past few years since entering the political limelight. On this point, the author of this article needs to do better research.

This is what Ron Paul’s position boils down to: “Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.” As stated by Thomas Jefferson.

About needing to maintain a worldwide military empire in order to be “safe,” I think you’re deluding yourself. We create more enemies every time our military kills and especially when our military kills innocent bystanders. The world does not hate us because of our freedoms or our wealth, they hate us because of what we do to them.

Bringing our military home, even from the non warzone areas, would make us way more safe. For example, instead of protecting Iraq’s borders our military could be used to protect our own from the drug gangs of Mexico. Why is it that our political leaders are willing to use our military to protect the people of another nation, South Korea, but not willing to protect the people of the southern most areas of our southern States?

If our military was brought home, any nation even attempting to attack the U.S. would still be met with obliteration in response. Bringing our military home make us more safe, not less safe.

Regarding “war” and all those who have died fighting in wars for our nation, does it even upset you a tiny little bit that the last time our Congress declared war was against Japan during WWII? Why should we be filling cemeteries with thousands of our countrymen/women when our own Congress is UNWILLING to properly declare war?

The positions taken by the author of this article are old and will soon be a part of history. The U.S. that we ended up with is not quite what our founders intended for and is nowhere near as great as our nation can be. The People’s political r3volution is getting stronger every day. We will overcome, we will make things right and so much better than the mess that our current political leaders are leaving us with.

This is a terrible article. All the talk about hating us because of our “way of life” and all this other nonsense is nothing but Bush-era propaganda. It’s not gonna fly anymore. All the real conservatives are waking up to the fact that the “war on terrorism” is a big lie and that our corrupt “government” runs both sides of the aisle with their pre-approved candidates. Barack Obama = George Bush Jr. = George Bush = John McCain and the list goes on. These people are hand-picked and chosen to keep the war machine going. Ron Paul is a REAL conservative, despite what you believe.

And by the way, Ron Paul is not an isolationist, he is a non-interventionist. He has stated his position numerous times and it’s not the one you purport that he holds.

Sorry, Mr. Williams, but your position is quickly becoming nothing more than neo-conservative history. You will not have the support for your views come this fall, and even in the next election. Go Ron Paul!

You can’t vote for Ron Paul because you are addicted to your satanic murderous wars? Wow!

The trillion dollar wars to nowhere make you a conservative? Not hardly.

I think Obama shows that Ron Paul can be elected. He ran as an outsider, anti-war, employing the internet tactics that worked for Paul and Howard Dean. No one thought Obama had a chance. The big difference is that the 2-party big government worshipers (like the guy who wrote this trash) will use the media to destroy him…because unlike Obama….he has principles and will not waiver.

Go Ron Go!!!

Or, go ahead and let the morons on talk radio tell you that Bush is a conservative.

$20 trillion unfunded drug benefit? wide open borders? a foreign policy that can be summed up as Woodrow Wilson in a cowboy hat?

You aren’t conservative. You are a confused blob of jello.

“Ronald Williams = Traitor to the constitutional Republic of the US”

“I wonder if you’re BRAVE ENOUGH to face war yourself”

“It is easy to take the stand you take as you like to say about noninterventionists because your cowardly attributes won’t have to take up a rifle yourself and get paid $30,000 a year to get shot at.”

Wow!!! And you Paul supporters tell me to check my facts…you obviously do not investigate your statements and/or accusations.

To those who disagreed with my opinions, but did it respectfully, I thank you for your opinions and input. I do read quite a bit these days, and will take your recommendations into account, but will not entertain any Alex Jones, NWO, 9/11 Truther crap, because let’s face it, if that conspiracy tin foil hat wearing logic were true, and Ron Paul were not part of it, do you think he would be allowed to be in any kind of office??