18 year old Hope Sykes was arrested on January 13 along with her cousin, Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin, Hank (Tommy) Croslin Jr. and Donna Brock on drug charges as a result of a month long undercover operation in Putnam County.
Hope had been arrested earlier on January 3 on a drug possession charge and she was released on her own recognizance, which I guess didn’t look so good on her when later she was also charged with drug trafficking too.
Hope appeared in court Tuesday morning and she plead no contest to one count of drug trafficking in narcotics. The judge presiding over the case, Circuit Judge Terry LaRue sentenced her to 15 years in prison which is the minimum mandatory sentence for this crime.
Apparently Hope was looking to only be sentenced to probation and drug therapy as a youthful offender. She stood before the judge and told him that she wanted to get her GED, go to college and become a physical therapist. She told him, “I let drugs control my life. I let my family down. I know I messed up. I want help. I don’t want to live this life no more.â€
Hope’s family and friends were in court to testify for her including her cousin Ronald Cummings, who was never called up to testify. They told the court that Hope had learned her lesson and that she had just gotten caught up in drugs.
Jacksonville.com is reporting that since Hope had only been out of jail for less than two weeks on the possession charge when she was arrested on the drug trafficking charge, she was not eligible for the youthful offender consideration which she would have received a much shorter sentence. LaRue says the youthful offender statute is for young people who are pressured or led astray by peers. “This is not the case here,†he said going farther in explaining that this second charge was not a simple possession charge. “What she did was engage in trafficking.â€
The prosecutors used a recording of Hope talking to her mother in a jailhouse conversation. She appeared on the audio as being angry and unremorseful and even told her mother, “If they think I am bad now wait until I get out of here.†Prosecutors claimed that the audio proved her lack of remorse for the crime she was being charged for.
When Judge LaRue announced the sentence Hope and her family were quite shaken as can be expected from her family. It is reported that she was also fined $250,000.
The one thing that makes me wonder here is will this news have any effect on the others that were arrested along with Hope. I mean think about it, Hope was the one with the lesser charges. If she is being sentenced for 15 years on her charges then what will the others receive on theirs. Will they worry more now and give some second thoughts about withholding information that they might have about the night Haleigh disappeared?
I do feel bad for these people. They had their whole lives ahead of them and they have thrown it away by getting involved with drugs. I feel even sorrier for the innocent children involved in all this too. Poor little Haleigh may have just have lost her life because of her family’s lifestyle. (And I am not pointing my finger at just one side, they are all alike and I don’t think it is fair to blame only one side when they all seem to have the same problem)
My prayers and concerns are for the little ones that are in the middle of all this at no choice of their own. They are the ones that are going to be hurt more. As I said, Haleigh seems to have paid with her life, if she is indeed gone. (Sorry I still can’t let go of the thought that she could still be out there somewhere) Let’s pray none of the others will have to follow in her footsteps before this family finally gets help, if they ever do. I pray asking God to watch over them!
Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackback15 years!!!! The heat is on. I think We are going to find out what happen to Haleigh soon. I bet Misty and the rest of the bunch is freaking out.
If Hope wouldn’t have been so disrespectful to her Mother the judge might have took it easier on her. She has such a foul mouth. I do think 15 years is a little much. I hope this will straighten up Satsumas drug problem. I bet people dealing will think twice. Wonder what Misty, Ron, and Tommy will get? When is their court date?
Wow, that phone call sure was intense talk about putting your foot in your mouth!
”…They had their whole lives ahead of them and they have thrown it away by getting involved with drugs. I feel even sorrier for the innocent children involved in all this too. Poor little Haleigh may have just have lost her life because of her family’s lifestyle…”
Excellent Article Jan!
I too feel that these people did not get enough education – drug prevention, ABCs, the ‘3Rs’… yada yada – ”trailer trash” ”hillbillies” – all just too sad!
America is going to ….
I feel sorry for any young person, who gets this out of control, and loses 15 years of their adult life because of it. This will probably shake Misty, Ron, and Tommy into realizing this isn’t going to be probation and, then, back to playing cops and robbers with the justice system. Some people may start talking now.
Haleigh has lost her life, in one way or the other, due to this horrible life-syle. I hope this wakes some people up.
Grandma Sykes and all the family must be besides themselves… LE is not kidding – you do a crime you will do the time… ‘now it’s real!’
So who will pay for Haliegh?
Will she have to serve all 15 years? Is there a possiblity of getting out early? All states have different laws.
Maybe CPS should take a long, hard look at the other children being raised by some of Misty’s siblings, etc. Seems as if they all have “drug” connections. It’s clear that none of these individuals are capable of raising a well-rounded child (as evidenced by Chelsea’s appearance on tv, Ron’s, Misty’s, Tommy’s, Hank Sr’s, Lisa’s, etc obvious drug habits)these twits are the result of their paren’t addiction. Break the cycle…sterilize them!!
Satsuma is more than likely in shock!! They are not use to sentences of this magnitude. Looks like no more slap on the wrist for this little small town. Perhaps now it will deter the many others in Satsuma to get off drugs and STOP!! selling those pills !!
Anyone know when Donna Brock’s sentencing is ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Sentencing_Guidelines
Did you know there is a ”Sentencing Table”?!
WOW, but is a MANDATORY 15, so she got some really bad legal advice to plea guilty.
Does anyone know if Hope has a child. I think I read that she does, but I am not sure.
Does Hope have to go to trial on the charges for which she was out on bond? If so, she could be in prison for a long, long time. I looked her up on the Putnam County Police website and she had been arrested for shoplifting and other crimes as well as drug possession.
She must have had the worst lawyer in the state of Florida. Who tells their client to plead no contest to a charge that carries a MANDATORY minimum sentence of 15 yrs? And he didn’t know she wasn’t eligible for youthful offender status? He should be disbarred. He was probably a public defender, if not, his practice is over.
I can tell you that Florida is a mandatory 85% state so Hope will serve 85% of her sentence, so like 13 years.
I believe that Florida is just tired of what has gone on in the state for so long and now it is starting to try and clean up the mess.
Native Alien said,in April 27th, 2010 at 3:27 pm I can tell you that Florida is a mandatory 85% state so Hope will serve 85% of her sentence, so like 13 years.
I believe that Florida is just tired of what has gone on in the state for so long and now it is starting to try and clean up the mess.
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I agree, it would be nice if they were this tough on child molesters.
Sad sad story Haleigh is still no where to be found as of yet and so many other people involved in her being missing! Poor Baby gurl Haleigh is still the most important aspect of this whole trauma & drama and as the players fall lets hope we find Justice 4 Haleigh!
angel blessings
It’s sad because prison w/not deter her from drugs. Nor w/it deter any of the others involved. I wish it were possible for all of them to get in-patient re-hab for 6 months. They get out and are on 10 years probation. They have to have random drug tests, they have to get a full time job, they have to be home by 7pm.
As far as Misty and Tommy, I think not only w/they serve time for drugs but for murder. As Tobias says, jmo.
I think prison is the only answer for Hope. If she couldn’t stay out of trouble for 2 weeks I don’t see how she could do 10 years probation.
Hey Gang,
It’s me, not a poser! Having puter probs, so I am on a different one.
I do feel sorry and sadden for Hope and her family. It’s amazing how a phone call can help seal your fate.
You know what!? I don’t feel sorry for this girl at all !! I heard the jailhouse tape recently and she is a very messed up girl. Maybe THIS will SHAKE her head into thinking straight!
I was APALLED at what she said on the tape! She is just acting like this is a “game” and she’ll be out and about doing her same thing!
What’s with the mother! If I were her mother I would have said – NO, this is SERIous HOPE! You are in deep sh–.!!
Hopefully she won’t serve 15 total years…but if she keeps this attitude up…and doesn’t change her ways at all then 15 years – is what she should GET!
She is waaay young and i am glad she won’t be on probation out and about…cause that would do NOTHING for her. It’s obvious her life was escalating out of control and going down.
Now…isn’t it just great that she is sentenced FIRST! The one with the least counts against her!
Now Misty, Tommy and Ronald…wow…with so many more counts against them….you bet they are just freaking out – as soon as they hear this!
Misty is also waaay to young to be living behind bars for xxxx amount of years..but i believe she should serve SOME time behind bars..and if she has anything to do with Haliegh’s disappearance of course – that’s a different story…
Tommy thinks in tapes done earlier that he will get out in THREE years.?? WHAT?? 3 yrs? Don’t think that will happen now.
Sad…cause he’s got THREE KIDS! Now his wife should DIVORCE him and MOVE on and her life away from them so her kids have A CHANCE!
BREAK THE CYCLE~!!!!
So sad….ruined lives! But drug dealers also RUIN LIVES!
GEEZ…even Michael Douglas – son got 5 years…! not even 10!!!
So folks! The message here is GET A JOB! Don’t DEAL DRUGS and DON’t DO DRUGS!!
PERIOD!
100% or 85% – that is just sad…
http://www.jailguide.com/goodtime_calculator.php
15 years… 12 1/2… it is just sad… she will be 30 when she gets out.
Photos of Hope after her conviction:
http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=29159798&event=988854&CategoryID=57821
It is sad that so many people in the USA are uneducated and using drugs, but they all had the opportunity to go to school. Misty didn’t want to, so now she can’t even figure out what 10% of her bond is. She is young in years, but she has lived the life of an adult for many years. She smokes, sleeps around and uses drugs so she should be treated the way she has chosen to live her life.
I didn’t grow up in a drug invested environment, but managed to get an education and put myself through college in spite of the poverty, 2 children’s homes and 3 foster homes in my past. I just can’t find it in my heart to feel sorry for the likes of Hope, Misty and Ron but my heart breaks for the children like Haleigh and Caylee.
L4J
When is Misty, Ron,Tommy and Donna’s court date?
Carrie said,in April 27th, 2010 at 3:11 pm Anyone know when Donna Brock’s sentencing is ?
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Donna is going to trial by jury! BUT … in light of Hope’s sentencing today after earlier pleading no contest, who knows what Donna might do now. Donna’s trial is scheduled in St. John’s County for June 21st at 9:00 AM. Maybe Donna will have more of a bargaining chip in all of this by giving up her supplier and come out with a sweet deal OR she may just go ahead with her chances with a trial by jury.
Native Alien
A bunch of people from Eastern Ky not long ago were busted for Dr shopping in FL.. Does Fl not have casper?
KY MOM said,in April 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm L4J
When is Misty, Ron,Tommy and Donna’s court date?
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May 13th – Ron and Tommy
June 3rd – Misty
My God she got railroaded.
This should also be a wake up call to anyone who enables drug abusers. If you know your child has a drug problem (this should be obvious in most cases) PLEASE get them help before they end up in jail/prison for not only the drugs but all the activities that can go along with this.
I realize that a person has to be willing to help themselves before they can be helped, but if the addict is a child the parent is responsible to do everything in their power to get them help including maintaining their own sobriety for an example for their children.
My opinion stated above is not directed at this case in particular as I do not know what the parents may have done in the past to stop this from happening.
Just looked tried to find Misty Croslin in St. John’s County jail. Found Tommy, but not Misty. Anyone know why?
ky mom – they don’t have casper…. yet.
Try Misty Cummings
Kate she is listed under Misty Cummings and she is in jail in St John’s County. I just checked the inmates.
No KyMom they don’t have casper in Florida but they are trying to get something very similar.
I would really like to hear any video visits and phone calls from Tommy and Misty to anyone starting with today.
Along with any phone calls that Ronald is making.
Finally – Cummings/Sykes family, welcome to mandatory sentencing. No sugar-coated, sweet-talking BS considered; Gotta love it!
*And to think that having Ronald there to speak on her (Hope’s) behalf would have helped her in any way… Proof positive that Ronald has convinced those surrounding him of his awesome powers. Hopefully Misty will now see that this clown is a nobody and start talking some truth.
Ron was in court today as a character witness for the defense,but they didn’t use him. Would have loved to hear his two cents.
What would he have said,”I was just giving her a ride to Sunday School” ?
Couldn’t they find an online mailorder parson,bum off the street etc ?
Having Ron as a character witness is like having Don Imus as the NAACP goodwill representative
NativeAlien & LadyonaMission, Thanks! That was a big “duh!” I gotta’ stop working so much !!
Random Thoughts said, in April 27th, 2010 at 4:54 pm My God she got railroaded.
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She sure did.
Hope wouldn’t have even been considered for the youthful offender program (for youth led astray due to peer pressure)because she has a prior drug conviction.
If she had gone to school, she would have known no contest meant just that. Her mom tried to tell her to talk to her attorney in the infamous phone call, but Hope was ahead of the game and everyone else needed to pick up their steps.
IIRC, Hope is age 19 (she was born in March).
I would say the media influenced this decision. An immature rant by a young, uneducated girl was played to inflame a judge. Amazing! I am at a loss at the priorities of a justice system that gives child molesters such lenient sentences but yet throw the book at someone like this! A miscarriage of justice to say the least!
Breaks my hear that she gets 15…..this is just sad………poor family. My heart ached for them.
The judge didn’t add any time to her minimum sentence of 15 years, so the conversation with her mom had no effect on her sentencing.
I just checked the PCSO site – Hope just turned 19 on March 24.
That time doesnt fit her crime.5 yrs maybe,but 15!! I do think these laws should be reformed to fit each persons crime.This being her 2nd offence,on no dope she sold.The coke charge before worries me,seems she did different drugs,an why didnt wasnt she placed in manditory in house rehab,,on that charge? How much coke was she arrested with prier to the riding in the uc car? 5 yrs in house manditory rehab,an counseling may have been more of help to this young girl than prison,which usual IS a breading gound for homosexual activity.
5 full yrs would break her.15 prison time will make her bitter,an she will learn more bad in prison,than good.How does this help out youth,who have drug problems today they arnt killers some,but are getting greater charges than molesters,an murderes get in many cases?????
Tommy thinks hes getting 3 yrs,with all the record,an pending charges he has ,some one has him fooled.Misty beiing she has no former record,should recive a 6yrs in house rehab counseling,thearpy (mental help,life skills schooling)) youthfull offenders charge,Thats time for breaking,an learning!! Ron has a record also,even if no conviction on some charges,still a judge will look at it,an wonder.
But 25,or more is a bit much,for someone who has no record,at 18.youth,male,an female will be taught in prison how to be more,of a criminal,An young girls,young men have sexual desires,she will also be lead to live a life,of homosexuality,such a shame.Harden male criminals still rape the weak,in prisons. I have spoke to some who have,one was while in jail for a driving issue.Hewas brutaly raped,by more tha one man,was rushed to the hospital,almost died,then the shame of it,the pain from it.But his lawyer filed suit, because the gaurds didnt protect him,while there.He won ,an never had to go back,he was driving,there because of a driving offence..I watched this old friend of mine suffer much.
MENTALY,AN IN HIS BODY HE SUFFERED MANY YRS. AFTER ABOUT 27/30 YRS,HE FINALY MARRIED,SHES TREATS HIM WELL,AN HE IS HEALING MENTALY,AN IN HIS HEART THROUGH JESUS.Sad to know were willing to send these puny small young criminals,into a place like that.It should be for murderers,rapest,child abusers,Big orginized drug dealers.Armed robbers, Gang members who kill.
I so pray for our youth today,they are so easly caught up,easly lead,an trapped,into many bad life styles.Seeking love ,an wanting to love in all the wrong places,an wanting to look tough,be respected by the wrong peers,when they to are still just babies,this group dont know what life could bring them,they have always lived poor,an in a area where drugs is the norm.,if this is the only life they have known.She may have been a wonderful young lady,if she had been given half a chance.
An what many spoiled young people take for granted,in families who have more,live ,an raised theirs different.But a person i chatt with works a ambulance,she said many youth from wealthy families.Are taken by ambulance from oding,stealing parents meds,an oding,or having enough money to get any street drug they want today.
This drug epademic is ever where.Goverement wont/cant control it–no more than they wont/cant, control the pedifiles/so/rapest of our babies,an teens.
I seen Some people here who have committed Homicide by child abuse here only got 20 yrs.Many!!
I think jail phone calls should only be used in court if there is a admittence to another criminals
I dont care whats said,a public defender works for the state,an not for the client.When people can afford Attornys.I cant under stand,Caseys case,is kind of cut an dryed,she has all evidence leading,an pointing to her,but a string of high profile Attornys run to her resque,a middle class family,who didnt look like they were wanting for anything,Casey,no bills,fee home,food cloths lights car car ins,she wabted for nothing. but was, well taken care of,no custoody issues.Caylee seem to have what she needed material wise.
But these people need Attornys like those who run to help Casey,
Haliegs case isnt full of evidence,at least we havent see any takin in the beginning,at the home..Things are taking place with these persons of intrest,that a Attornys dont normaly let happen with their clients.
Taking them out to interrigate ,with out their Attornys present.Giving some LDT with out Attorny present.Taking clients to a alledged crime scene,with no attorny present,where the people can ask,record,or pressure them.I have never seen it.Joes Attorny isnt allowing things like that to take place,with his client,no forcing of LDT.No parading at the river,something just isnt right,or their Attornys could care less,or didnt know,untill it was to late to stop,what was happening with their client.I will hand it to Mistys ATT we dont see him running from media,show,to media show.
Tim Miller bless him for what he does,but he even stepped over the line,in placing his self,as doing investigation,doing LDT,an other test.Even played avocate with Donna Brock/Misty,in trying to be an investigator.An because she faild,or the test didnt do her justice,the wrapping up of anymore searches,when Misty pointed out sites,seems out of the norm.
No offence to Tim,an I know Cindy Anthony is known for lies.But in her call to Tim,she said Tim i even got you something for your back pain.Did,he take a pill she gave him from a script pain meds she had? Then we have Donna who is now a known alledged DR shopper/trafficer at 44 yrs of age,an she hangs with drug addicts,not going back home.When her, an Tims do, was done
when the man that only got 5 yrs for raping,an choking /not killing the young teen with her panties,he went on to get out, an now he is alledged to have murdered 2 more teens.One in a trail park,for joggers.
America wake up,our youth are dying,an their babies are dieing because of drugs.Yet we sit an point finger when we see it happening to other.Do we see the future,to see what our children,granchildren,great grand children may get involve in taking,or doing .when it comes to this epidemic of drugs,adiction ,an real dealers.
Our youth are being halled off like cattle to jail,When when any member of society sees a youth in danger in the drug world,they should be somewhere to report it,an Goverment,or the town sherriff, have someone in place,to make it maditory they right then,turn themselves over to at least 1 yr in manditory rehab,an counseling ,so they will have a chance to fight the addictions,an trouble that will come their way somewhere down the line,if there left to contenue the problem.
An the ruling Judge,an Jury should have some lead way to be able to Judge rightiously,an make their decision according to the crime,on how some one is sentenced,with some stipulations.That the Judge hears everything,from all sides,not just one side.
Unless you have felt the trouble of addiction,felt the pain,an symtoms of hard core withdrawls,an the trouble of trying the get your strienght back,an get your mind from out the fog, that comes from addiction,an some drugs.then some thing by those yapping are better left unsaid,live it,then say well they could just stop! its not that easy on opieds.
No one should try to dry out from a opied addiction alone,you need help,an to be monatored by a nurse,or dr,OR SOMONE WHO HAS BEEN THERE,WHO KNOWS HOW TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT,AN DANGER SIGNS TO LOOK FOR.OUR YOUTH NEED HELP.SO THEY CAN BE BETTER PARENTS,AVIOD SENCLESS ACIDENTS,OR MURDERS OF THEIR BABIES!!!
All it boils down to is America would rather heard them into prison systems,an forget about the problem,than look for a soloution to help millions in trouble.aN MILLIONS OF THEIR BABIES,WHO MAY BE EFFECTED BY DRUG ADDICTED PARENTS.
Hope was Railroaded? Please explain.
Jan 57, I don’t see where 15 years behind bars is the solution, either.
Cruisin’ Susan said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
KY MOM said,in April 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm L4J
When is Misty, Ron,Tommy and Donna’s court date?
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May 13th – Ron and Tommy
June 3rd – Misty
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Thanks… May 13th is right around the corner.
Jan @ 6:21 said:
“All it boils down to is America would rather heard them into prison systems,an forget about the problem,than look for a soloution to help millions in trouble.”
*** Above words of wisdom are from Jan 57 ***
From jacksonville.com:
Prosecutor Jacquelyn Roys requested the minimum mandatory sentence and said Sykes was an active participant in the drug sale.
Roys also played the recorded jail call for the judge, with Sykes profanely railing against any stiff sentence.
“Well, stupid us if we let her out, because she already told us what was going to happen,” Roys said.
Beeching has 30 days to appeal the sentence.
Jan 57,
Sad reality: prisons are the economic backbone of some towns and regions. Without prisons, there would be few jobs in those areas.
Long sentences are job security for prison employees and businesses that contract their services and products to prisons.
The mandatory is 15 years, she got it. Of course, she claims she was just along for the ride, but she was involved in the commission of a crime. I don’t get all of this whining about poor Hope. She could have gone to school, got a job and she could have become a responsible adult. POOR HOPE, my butt.
Just think what the judge will think when the prosecutor plays Ronald’s smirking booking photo and some of his smart remarks. They may put him under the jail for LIFE!
Misty won’t look so good at her trial, either, due to some of her statements.
The whole town is most likely tired of these two families giving their town a bad name and thumbing their noses at the system. They are mad. WHERE IS HALEIGH? There won’t be any piece in either family involved in Haleigh’s disappearance, until she is found. If I were a part of either of these families, I would get out of dodge. Timmy has the right idea.
Annette is dealing with the pain of losing her great-grandaughter Haleigh, and to a lesser degree – her grandaughter Hope, grandson Ronald, and great-grandson Butterbean.
Jason–I am not condoning what Hope did whatsoever. There is no defense for her drug arrest, but if the tapes had no influence then why play it at all? What`s the point, unless to give the others a message–Speak up or youre next? Forgo the future murder trial because Tommy, Misty, and Ron are looking at a very long prison sentence. Hope was made an example of–and you see no agenda there? I just hope since Florida is cleaning up their drug problem, they might clean up their SO problem, too–make some mandatory sentences for these vile creatures whose victims have to carry a lifelong sentence for their vile acts! JMO
Were these kids fore-warned of the penalties?
It would have been better to have let them sit in jail longer on some of their prior charges, and not let them bail out so soon. They would have a better idea of the reality of what they are going to face, if they didn’t straighten up. Letting them out so quick, they think it’s smart.
Robin, I thought the playing of the taped conversation was something a sensible judge would see as irrelevant.
Apparently the conversation didn’t negatively influence the judge’s ruling, as he only sentenced her to the minimum 15 years.
Biologically, Hope and all youth her age have an immature brain not yet fully developed.
Adhering to sentencing guidelines for adults seems like cruel punishment doled out to Hope.
She’s a child, not an adult. Because she’s a child, I think she can be rehabilitated.
15 years in a cage is just punishment.
This just seems like such a stiff sentence for riding in the car with the other offenders.
They are all in Putnam County except Donna Brock. Go figure…….PCSD must be going by Ron’s idea of keeping your enimies close…….
PCSD are watching and listening to everything that they are saying, doing, and receiving. They probably will not release anything to the public now. They aren’t going to want to drop they’re hand now, it’s they’re last chance.
You know, biologically she is not an adult. So, why the adult penalty?
I’m all for stopping her destructive behavior (to herself and others), but not by forcing her to remain a dependent child until she is 34 years old!
In prison, she won’t have an opportunity to mature, as all major decisons that affect her daily life will be made for her!
It is punishment that I consider child abuse.
I’d like to hear people who know the inner workings of ‘prison life’ comment with their views of the outcome for Hope.
I’m guessing after hearing Hope’s sentence that Misty crapped her pants, and what b@lls ever had just disappeared. JMO
Outcome for Hope.
Option 1:Her choice.. 3 years in Kiddie Camp she comes out ‘Mo Bad’
Option 2: Judge’s choice… 15 Years with the ‘Mo Bad’ crowd,she comes out ‘badder’.
Measure twice, click once. 😉
Jason–I totally agree with you! I don`t want to see the Hope that walks out of jail after 15 yrs. We don`t like her attitude now, but after 15 years of a “jail house education” is not going to make a better person–just a smarter criminal. I think it would have served her and the state of Florida better if you gave her a chance for rehabilitation.Sad in my opinion!
Former supervisor in a correctional facility and I must tell you the young offenders have no respect for anyone not even any self respect. I preferred dealing with murderers and rapists rather than with our waived juveniles. They were horrible to deal with.
In my opinion the Judges are fed up. I don’t know what the pre-trial disclosure recommended but the tapes surely didn’t help her cause.
The way things are going these days with young people somebody needs to put the fear of God in them some how. If, it’s throught the Court system, so be it.
As always on the bloggs it is someone else’s fault, other than the true criminals. It is either the sorry/bad police or the mean spirited court/judge who don’t understand. 1st you all don’t know this girls true past. Maybe the local authorities do. Maybe if Hope was alittle bit humbled by the experience and truly sorry for her criminal ways, rather than being the thuglet that she thinks she is, things would have been different. It is unfortunante that a young person has to spend the next 15 years in prision. (SHE HAS TO DO 15 YEARS, not any time less, because it is a MANDATORY sentence). Sometimes we need to learn lifes lessons the hard way. Hope doesn’t dictate everything.
The new American way….blame everyone else for our problems and accept no responsiblity for our actions..
I for one am glad that she was slapped into reality. Was an interesting sight to see in the court room today. Yes – I’m sure that her telephone conversation with her mother was part of the ultimate end.
I don’t feel sorry for her one bit !!! There are choices we all make in life and she choose her own path that has lead her straight to prison for 15 years !!! I’m in the same age group and know she has the same opportunities to an education !!! Maybe not the same parental and peer support as me , but she’s an adult and choose the life she has lead !!! She will have an opportunity for some education in prison and maybe she will take that route now !!! Maybe with this stiff sentence the real truth of what happened to Haleigh will come out now !!! I doubt it though !!!
I consider this sentence way too harsh. I agree they all should pay for their crime. This type of drug abuser should spend their incareration in rehab and given a chance to educate themselves so when they return to society they have a chance to function in the real world. Not just housed and learning more criminal antics to use when they return to society.
It should be taken into consideration that biologically she is a child – her brain is still developing.
What is your definition of child abuse?
I agree, Judithan.
She’s not an adult, Kelly.
Hope’s lawyer is worthless! hes a corrupt backwoods drunken SHYSTER!! How dare he plead Hope guilty to TRAFFICING for christs sake! 15 years was the minimun..why didn’t Hope know she was going to get 15? answer: because her lawyer didn’t tell her! He flimflamed and bamboozled her into pleading no contest when she didn’t even know that meant guilty!
The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!! The lawyers INEPT and in cahoots with the prosecution! SHAME ON the florida public defenders office!
Who will be her role models in jail?
OJ not a smart person, 1st HOpe’s attorney is a female from Jacksonville. A very repitable one at that…..Go back to Minn in your dark room
Role model will be her new girlfriend, that one that is big and bad like her
Jason she’s 19 and in the eyes of the LAW she’s an adult !!! That means she makes adult decisions !!! Who made you an “expert” to what her mental age is ???
Look at Michael Douglas’ son Cameron. He was popped with so much meth, they originally charged him with intent to distribute. While on house arrest his girlfriend tried to smuggle him a little heroin. He was supposedly facing a minimum of ten years, with the max being life.
He got five years. And he had prior drug arrest of possession of liquid cocaine in a syringe.
Hope was railroaded because she is poor and because of who she affiliated with. Yes, she deserves to be punished but this is excessive.
13 plus years in prison is no hope, for Hope.
Too bad none of these people think education is an answer unless they are trying to get off the hook with a judge. Maybe if they had stayed in school and taken classes in English they would have learned vocabulary to use in court and to know the dangers of drugs. I know some people won’t agree with me but lack of education shows in the way you speak, act, and the way you lead your life. It seems everyone wants to be a gangsta. Well, it’s time to pay up.
Come ON said,in April 27th, 2010 at 8:48 pm OJ not a smart person, 1st HOpe’s attorney is a female from Jacksonville. A very repitable one at that…..Go back to Minn in your dark room
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LOL~Shades of TH huh? Any maggots around …….
She got what she deserves. I hope they all get what’s coming to them. No pity here
Hope’s lawyer is a worthless POS!!!!!
Becky said,in April 27th, 2010 at 9:14 pm She got what she deserves. I hope they all get what’s coming to them. No pity here
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Me either, my only sadness is for HaLeigh and those in her family that had nothing to do with her death.
Kelly, Laurence Steinberg (Professor of Psychology at Temple University) and others know the brain is not fully developed until age 25.
http://www.temple.edu/psychology/lds/
He and Elizabeth Scott are knowledgeable about juvenile law and adolescent development pshychology. Here’s an excerpt from their book “Rethinking Juvenile Justice”:
“Adult time for adult crime” has been the justice system’s mantra for the last twenty years. But locking up so many young people puts a strain on state budgets—and ironically, the evidence suggests it ultimately increases crime.
I wonder why 18 is the “adult” age in this country?
Perhaps years of experience on the behaviors of aged people helps determine that.
Do the crime, do the time.
I wonder if rehab costs more than jail?
I wonder where they think they are going to get 250,000 dollars from her? Book deal? Is she even worth a book deal?
The rest of the posse is coming up. I bet they are a tad nervous now.they are going to be living with the state for a long, long, time.
“Rethinking Juvenile Justice”:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Rethinking-Juvenile-Justice/Elizabeth-S-Scott/e/9780674030862
OJ do you have anything worth while to say ??? Her attornay CANNOT plead for her !!! I’m 100% certain the the attorney gave her every possible scenario to what could happen if she pleaded “no contest” !!! The evidence was there the she participated in a drug transaction !!! She rolled her own dice and pleaded “no contest” and she rolled 15 !!!
Jaba, a quote from video titled “Teen Brain”:
“Society may say 18 is the age of adulthood – perhaps it’s time to realise the brain doesn’t know that.”
Kelly, if you weren’t there, and you aren’t Hope’s attorney, then you can’t be “100% certain the the attorney gave her every possible scenario”.
Just sayin’ . . .
Kelly, you been in jail? Something tells me the answer is “yes” – LOL!
Jason are you from Mars ???!!! She was given legal advice from her attorney !!! She SIGNED a legal and binding plea document to the Court saying she is pleading no contest to the charge !!! You gonna say she signed it under duress ???!!! You gonna say it wasn’t her hand writing on the document ???!!! You gonna say that wasn’t her hand that actually signed the document ???!!!
“No hope, for Hope” is true, Random Thoughts, unless she can qualify for a much lesser sentence after appealing.
Will you quit screaming, Kelly? Gosh, my ears are hurtin’!
Hopes attorney didn’t know that she was running smack mouth to her mother about the judge and the system. Her attorney had all reason to believe she would be given youthful offender. She also knew that Hope would have been found guilty at trial and hoped that her plea would work to her benefit. Hope knew everything that was going on and couldn’t keep her mouth shut. She thinks she is a bad thug from south putnam county. Guess who got the last laught. Oh, the family tried to say in court that she has a good support system at home and she would change for the better. Even mom got caught lying on the stand when asked questions about what her daughter said…
It is not the attorney’s fault, she wasn’t running that big gator on the phone. It is Hope’s fault and Hope’s fault alone, or I guess you can blame Ronald and Misty for this too.
Come ON, she’s a kid!
The answer is no !!! Don’t you know the laws and legal process in this country ???!!! You have a computer goggle “DUE PROCESS” !!! You just might learn something !!!
just to reiterate:
Hope’s lawyer is worthless! hes a corrupt backwoods drunken SHYSTER!! How dare he plead Hope guilty to TRAFFICING for christs sake! 15 years was the minimun..why didn’t Hope know she was going to get 15? answer: because her lawyer didn’t tell her! He flimflamed and bamboozled her into pleading no contest when she didn’t even know that meant guilty!
The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!! The lawyers INEPT and in cahoots with the prosecution! SHAME ON the florida public defenders office!
Confining a child aged 19 to a cage until they are age 34 is child abuse.
No she isn’t, she is a soon to be 19 year old punk, wanna be thug, who thinks she can do and say what ever she wants. On Jan 3 they gave her a break on a drug case and her bond. They gave her a break on her retail theft. She got away with a ton as a juvenile. Jason, get real, she isn’t someone who was mislead into committing her first crime. She is on her way to be a career criminal.
Legal child abuse.
She’s a child – age 19 as of March 24.
Come On, “wanna-be thug” (as if you know) isn’t a crime.
“On her way” isn’t a crime.
Legal Dictionary
Main Entry: child
Function: noun
Inflected Form: plural chil·dren
1 : a son or daughter of any age and usually including one formally adopted —compare ISSUE
NOTE: The word child as used in a statute or will is often held to include a stepchild, an illegitimate child, a person for whom one stands in loco parentis, or sometimes a more remote descendant, such as a grandchild. In interpreting the word child as used in a will, the court will try to effectuate the intent of the person who made the will as it can be determined from the language of the will.
2 : a person below an age specified by law : INFANT, MINOR child under 16 years of age> —compare ADULT
NOTE: A person who is below the statutory age but is married will usually be considered an adult.
Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
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I recall someone posting here the evening Hope, Ron and Misty appeared in court–the day Hope entered her No Contest plea. I do not recall the poster’s nic but I do recall what she reported having seen and heard in the courtroom that day.
She said when Hope went before the judge and pleaded No Contest, the judge clearly explained what that plea meant and what her sentence could be. The judge informed Hope that she could be sentenced to 15 years in prison.
There is no reason whatsoever why Hope should not have known on that day as well as today that she could be sentenced to 15 years in prison. If she was not paying attention or not taking the proceedings seriously, it is no fault but her own.
I will say this, though: The fact the so many offenders in that area of the world (Putnam County) seem to get leniency whenever they come before the courts is partly to blame for people re-offending. A slap on the wrist does little to deter.
Had Hope been held accountable for past offenses, possibly she would have learned something and would not be in the predicament she is in today.
NO but trafficing in prescription pills is……and I do know
Come ON, Merriam needs updated again.
To you she might be a child but to the law she is an adult and thus sentenced as an adult. If you dont like the law the way it is written, call/write/email/fax your legislators and lobby to have it changed. Until then *all* adults, including 18 and 19 year olds, need to live by the law or suffer the consequences, just like Hope.
No one is going to tell me that an 18 or 19 year old doesnt know that selling drugs is against the law. I dont care how uneducated or poor they are! Hope knew exactly what was going on. Now she will pay the price.
15 was the MINIMUM. The judge had a heart!
Hope will need a pen pal for the next 15, maybe you and she can have an adult conversation about her mistreatment by the state of Florida.
You got it, Lady! It’s child abuse to cage a child, unless a judge orders it.
Come ON, think outside the cage.
She is biologically a child, but has been sentenced as an adult.
By the way, Hope didn’t even get represented by the public defender’s office, the state hired her a private attorney from Jacksonville. So, poor has nothing to do with it. She was guilty as sin and got caught…If you do the crime, you must do the time. and that would be 15 YEARS for ms. hope
Jason, should Misty be CAGED if she had something to do with Haleigh’s death?
Come ON, you seem gleeful.
Those “kids” know more about charges and sentences than most attorneys. Give it a break.
Lissten to her taped conversations and if she would’ve taken the court proceedings a little bit more seriously she would’ve heard the Judge’s instructions. He explained everything to her and asked her if she understood what was going on and she answered that she did understand. Whoops! Shame on her. Hope got what she asked for. Role the tape……. Maybe just maybe, her education has already begun.
RAILROADED!! by LE to distract from their complete BUNGLING of the haleigh case..
No. Not caged as adults are, but incarcerated – yes, if her violence resulted in Haleigh’s death.
Society needs to be protected from physically violent people.
Not gleeful or liberal as some are here. I don’t believe in blaming everyone else in this situation. She brought this on herself. I don’t believe in making a mockery of the legal system. (which isn’t perfect by any means) She cant dictate everything at 19. She should have learned some humility and her mother should have taught her better and stopped blaming the system for her daughters bad ways.
Whoever this lady lawyer is she sucks if she wasn’t able to get the most lenient sentence for her client.
Haven’t any of you ever been charged with anything beyond a traffic ticket to know how the game is played?Lol It’s all about pleading out or going to a jury trial. Often the accused knows exactly what they are getting because the prosecution and the defense sign off on it and the judge approves before you even walk into the courtroom to get sentenced.
Assaults are dropped to domestic violence, felonies to misdameanors and on and on until both sides are happy.
It takes less time and less money for people to plea than to go to jury trial. Pre trials are nothing but a bargaining day. They are not in there preparing for a trial but trying to desperately avoid one.
They offered Ron 25, his attorney knows the game – no deal. Now the prosecution will have to look and see what they can give on.
The only time one usually “rolls the dice” is if it goes to jury trial. They will throw the book at you if you lose.
I think OJ’s gloves have some major holes in them and every shred of sense leaked out. Kinda like loose bowels spewing without control.
Come ON, I agree with you – our legal system is not perfect, and juvenile justice clearly isn’t, as evidenced by Hope receiving the same penalty given to adults.
Random Thoughts, isn’t 15 years the minimum her attorney could try to get?
Jacksonville.com is reporting that since Hope had only been out of jail for less than two weeks on the possession charge when she was arrested on the drug trafficking charge, she was not eligible for the youthful offender consideration which she would have received a much shorter sentence.
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Oops! Hope didn`t have no change.
heyitsmekelly said,in April 27th, 2010 at 9:41 pm Jason are you from Mars ???!!! She was given legal advice from her attorney !!! She SIGNED a legal and binding plea document to the Court saying she is pleading no contest to the charge !!! You gonna say she signed it under duress ???!!! You gonna say it wasn’t her hand writing on the document ???!!! You gonna say that wasn’t her hand that actually signed the document ???!!!
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IT is incumbent upon the judge to ask her “do you understand what you are signing and what it means” and “are you doing this of your own free will and not under duress”, otherwise it could come back to bite the judge in the @ss in the form of a mistrial.
‘Incarcerated’ – that’s the toned down word for ‘caged’, right?
‘Incarcerated’ – just what the hello is that? What image does it conjure up?
I don’t feel sorry for Hope. She thinks she’s cool and tough, but she’s a grown woman. At least in prison she won’t be reproducing and putting another child like Haleigh into danger. All the drugs she’s bought and in on selling could be going to someone who will harm children. She won’t be doing any of that for awhile, plus she won’t be out running around with people who know what happened to Haleigh and just avoid it like she was trash or something. I feel sorry for the little kids and grandmas raising kids because scumbags thinks it’s cool to use and sell drugs.
I took my case to trial, acted as my own attorney and lost..I was sentenced to EXACTLY what I was offered if I had plea bargained..there was no difference, pleading guilty or taking it to trial. At least at trial I had a chance. I then appealed the sentence and WON! Hope’s lawyer is a worthless drunken shyster POS!!!!!!!!!!!
He is working WITH the prosecution!
‘Sentenced’, instead of ‘punished’.
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She is under 21, so the judge could have used discretion, labeled her a youthful offender and viola the mandatory sentencing of 15 years is suddenly off the table.
It’s seems like Tommy really fears that he may very well lose his family, Lindsey and his kids, if he goes to prison. Maybe, he is the key to finding the truth about what happened to little HaLeigh. This may just scare him enough and if he doesn’t know maybe, he’s the one that could convince Misty to talk.
I know, it’s probably more fiction than fact.
At this point I don’t believe what anyone says even the attorneys. So who knows what anyone is telling anyone at this point.
OJ can you direct me to where and when the attorney had a sex change ???!!!
Today, a 19 year old child named Hope received punishment of life in a cage until she is age 34, because she exchanged pain-relief pills for cash.
I meant voila not viola. Lol
Random Thoughts, from what I understand, she didn’t qualify for the Youthful Offender program because she has a previous drug conviction.
LaRue says the youthful offender statute is for young people who are pressured or led astray by peers. “This is not the case here,” he said going farther in explaining that this second charge was not a simple possession charge. “What she did was engage in trafficking.”
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Hope did this to herself.
My husband & I grew up poor,didn’t have a lot when my boys were growing up either. We have 5 grandchildren that isn’t use to having a lot of money. 2 of them have been to college,1 is getting ready to go to college. Due to her grades,she has been accepted to 4 top colleges along with financial help that won’t have to be paid back.The other 2 aren’t that old yet but are smart and hard working.All were brought up in church & homes that taught them how to act & treat people.I know it’s terrible for a 19yr old to have to go thru this but do you think these families would straighten up & help these young people.I would be very suprised.This all falls back on their parents.
I see an appeal working in Hope’s case which will cost the FL tax payers more money. These players are so dumb they thought they would get a slap on the wrist because there has been a constant rotating door in and out jail for years. They thought they could get out of this too! People on drugs don’t think like normal people. It’s all about them and how I can manulipate society to get what I want. They steal, lie and do whatever to anyone including family to get what they need at the time. If these people were out of jail tomorrow they would go right back to their old lifestyle. Pray they all will be put away long enough to stop this cycle and they get help.
Hope’s lawyer led her into the jackel’s den!
She had NO legal representation at all!!
Her shyster drunken lawyer did NOTHING for her except plead her GUILTY and feed her to the wolves!!
SHAME on the florida justice system!!!!
To those calling Hope Sykes situation “sad” – When people consciously make bad choices that ruin their lives and make life a living hell for everyone around them, they are pathetic – not sad. How about reserving your sadness for little Haleigh, the poor grandmother, and the other innocent victims whose lives have been destroyed by these rebellious, self-absorbed, unremorseful low-lifes.
Besides, people like them don’t need your pity. They use endless self-pity as a life long crutch for failure and indiscretion – drop out of school, apply for a government handout, smoke, drink, do drugs, deal drugs, promiscuous sex, kids out of wedlock, milk your family dry, murder. Like I said – pathetic.
I’m looking at the statue and I think she was elligle. Under 21 and not guilty of a capital or life felony.
Then it branches off into four different ways she could have been sentenced.
There should be other options for a child, for example – ankle monitoring until age 25.
Random Thoughts, I hope you find something to make an appeal seem worthwhile.
hi all, i think Hope got royally F-d, no doubt!! Her attorney obviously did not do well by her at all, however, if this lawyer was hired in (by the State, yes that always is a disadvantage for the defendant) from another area she likely had nil control over how this all went. I mean, it is all about Haleigh, not Hope. Did anyone other than me see the clip of her lawyer looking ticked off by the sentence? It’s only profile, but she is clearly upset.
To add to my previous comment about Hope getting F-d, I do not feel bad about the time she got, we all saw what a punk she is on that phone call. She will fit right in at prison, she already does.
“You bunkie aint ye?”
Hope is home.
Oh this is to Jan,Simon,& T.J.Over on JG blog they are very nasty about you guys and telling some things that some of those people know isn’t true.Some of them run back and forth between that blog & this one.I just felt you should know because you guys are good people that I Admire for what you for all the children,
Thug mentality is not grounds for an appeal so check that off the list. Hope won’t qualify.
theres nothing to appeal after you have plead guilty..
MAJOR MAJOR screwup on hope’s lawyers part..hope’s lawyer has to be working with the prosecution..pleading guilty to a TRAFFICING charge when she was ONLY sitting in the car?? BOGUS!!complete bullcr@p!! JUSTICE in putnam county is Nonexistent!!!
Grandma of 5, I agree it’s horrible. She’s a child – her brain is not fully developed, so she shouldn’t be held accountable to the same degree adults who sell pills are.
Locking her in a cage for 15 years is cruel, very mean-hearted.
Her only hope is if/when they repeal or amend their sentencing guidline.
They will run out of room in the prisons.
One other way to get out of mandatory minimum is to be a rat but it would have to be very substantial info.
She could Possibly appeal based on ineffective counsel.
BTW, the streets of Florida are safer with this woman in jail. That was my impression of her, anyway.
Flashforward to her first parole hearing (and perhaps all subsequent ones):The phone call will be played of her “see me in 15 years” comment.
Hope is a kid. I admit that when I listened to her phone conversations a few weeks ago I thought – not a likable kid but a kid just the same. The way she became so excited when she got to ride in the car to the courtroom with Ron just creeped me out! She was so excited that Ron said he would testify on her behalf. I have said this before – Ron has women under ether.
I don’t understand how Ron got to do that? Why was he in the courtroom? I wonder if she would have shared information (I am CONVINCED she knows something – how can you hang with these people and not know something) would she have been granted a lesser sentence.
This will sound nuts but I am NOT convinced it is over for Hope. People have brought up a 30 day appeal window – maybe LE will approach her with a deal.
Hope is a product of a terrible upbringing (a recurrent theme). She is not likable to boot. But 15 years is too long. IMO
Hope appeared in court Tuesday morning and she plead no contest to one count of drug trafficking in narcotics.
I am the only one who sees them bringing Ron to “testify” for his cousin as a great fear tactic to try to get the truth out of him? Hello?
If her mother punished her by putting her in a cage, her mother would have been arrested.
ron was there to POISON the atmosphere!!
it was an LE trick, strategy, to circus up the legal procedings. The justice system in florida is CORRUPT big time!
Why do all you people think she got royally F-d? She was out there running and selling drugs on the steet, how would you like it if she sole some to your kid are helped any anyway with Haleigh missing? She put her self out there for this to happend! These people all have to learn a lesson! He is great judge who is seeing things the way they are and knows this is the only way to stop them, to far gone! Making money off of people on the street is this what we want for our children? NOT ME I SAY LOCK THEM ALL UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY! And maybe they will find out what happend to Haleigh, thats all i care about anyway! not that these pigs get justice! JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I said a minute ago, this is about Haleigh, not Hope. Hope is very disposable in this investigation that is taking forever to complete. So she got F-d. Big time, yes, that sentence is way way excessive. Had she not been who she is, she would be in some program right now already, probably!
But I support the decision, F ’em all till the truth comes out. We need to know what that little girl endured and who is responsible for it and we need to know it last YEAR!
She loves the cage. She worked as a stripper!
Kinda crazy, huh?
This whole case and all the people involved in it are a sign of the times.
I bet every last person on this board either has a family member, extended family member or close friend who is a drug addict. They are either addicted to street drugs or over medicate with their perscription drugs. The only difference is that people with a legal script can legally call it medicine.
Linda, stopping her from selling should be the objective, not cruel punishment.
Oh Pinky – I forgot about that – makes it all sadder some how.
Ron received a subpoena to appear from Hope’s fantastic PD to testify as a character witness but, they didn’t call him. Go figure.
Supposedly his attorney has already talked to prosecutors for a deal of 25 yrs for Ron.
Hope’s lawyer should be DISBARRED!! and charged with negligence. ineptness and buffoonery for her complete NONDEFENSE of Hope!
What a GAWD AWFULL lawyer!!!!
How many charges was Hope sentenced today? How many does Misty have pending? Does Misty have a prior arrest?
Can Misty’s atty argue for youthful offender when it was clear that she was in charge in the undercover videos?
FACTS would be appreciated from someone that has knowledge.
Random Thoughts @ 11:21 pm:
The marketing of pharmaceuticals is different than it is for any other product, as they are created first, and then demand is created through advertising, instead of being created in response to existing demand.
Hope 1
Misty 8 priors – no
Judge LaRue says the youthful offender statute is for young people who are pressured or led astray by peers. “This is not the case here,” he said going farther in explaining that this second charge was not a simple possession charge. “What she did was engage in trafficking.”
Again JillF,,A great post and I completely agree. I couldn’t of said it better.
I know Jason. The drug reps come in daily and woo the Dr. offices with nice catered lunches and free samples of the dope they are pushing.
It’s absolutely crazy.
Jason,
How about our 18 year olds doing life and death missions in the adult world of War? I think its been proven that through training 99% of them make the right battlefield decisions.
Hope was sentenced on 1 count of felony trafficking and still has a couple of minor charges pending from prior arrests.
Misty has 8 felony charges pending for trafficking with no priors. Technically, I don’t know how they will look at her. The sting operation was going on for over a month and she was totally involved 100%. Her attorney is arguing for the lesser youthful offender defense.
That’s what I’ve read and my background is former law enforcement.
OJs Glove, what were you charged with? Were you in incarcerated during the appeal process? Thanks. Your story could help shed some light on law enforcement.
Linda @ 11:18:
Pharmaceutical companies sell to kids everyday (commercials, print ads, doctors).
When their drugs kill, they pull them off the shelves, take a loss on their taxes, are fined, are sued, but are still in the game as those responsible retain their jobs and their freedom to deal drugs.
Life has lessons and consequences. Those caught up on the wrong side of the law have to pay. Some learn their lessons at different ages.
I agree that she may not be the same after she comes out. For better or worse, who knows.
I think the odds are about the same on how she turns outif she was on the outside from here til she’s 30 yrs old.
In Hope’s infamous phone call her mother tried to tell her that she needed to talke to her attorney but Hope said she was a few steps ahead of the game and the rest of them needed to pick it up a few steps. That is not a direct quote, but it was apparent that Hope thinks she is smarter than anyone else.
She got what she asked for.
Jaba, OT – immaturity is a reason they’re pulled by recruiters.
Young adults don’t feel as vulnerable, and are least concerned with benefits outweighing risks: Risk? What’s that?
Random Thoughts @ 11:41 pm: Yep, the game.
Misty said in a jail tape that she wanted to take classes to learn how to read. Who the heck didn’t encourage her arse and put her in school to learn to read? I guess I’m mistaken that truancy laws are in effect for all areas and the parents pay the price when they are brought before a Judge to answer why the child is not in school. Google truancy. It’s effective where I live. Truancy and parents being held accountable is one way to combat the problem, but then again the child finds ways to lie to the parents about school until the parent finds out the hard way.
Misty said in a jail house tape that she wanted to get the book to study for her GED. She then said it wasn’t available until prison.
She told GrandMa in the phone call that she would get the GED and take pictures in a cap
and gown after she got out.
Facts Only Please said,in April 27th, 2010 at 11:43 pm OJs Glove, what were you charged with? Were you in incarcerated during the appeal process? Thanks. Your story could help shed some light on law enforcement.
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yes, I served my time..14 months later my sentence was resinded by the appeals court..
opps! how do I get my time back?..
Hope’s lawyer can go to HELL!!!!!
she was in cahoots with the prosecution!!
Hope’s lawyer is SCUM!!!!!!!!
Ladyonamission @ 11:52:
“It was apparent that Hope thinks she is smarter than anyone else”.
Teenagers often are sure they know so much more than adults!
Someone said it earlier and I have wondered the same thing, how was Ron in the car with her leaving court? That makes no sense, a male and female being transported together?
Then Ron is in court today? For what a role model, and upstanding citizen to testify? Bizarre????? I agree something is not right….
JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!
Also NG has lost her mind….. I guess she forgets RON was in that car, RON is in jail….
HELLOOOOOOOOOOO
Facts Only Please, one of the legislators in my state wants to change the law to incarceration of the parents, instead of parenting classes, for habitual school truancy.
dpierce @ 12:13 pm: Intimidation? Do you have a read on his/her body language?
the PROSECUTION had ron in court today to POISON the court proeedings!
The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!!!
and disgusting in their RAILROADING of someone just sitting in the car, for christs sake!
Facts Only Please, I’m hoping he doesn’t get his wish, as parenting classes are a better idea (the legislator pushing for incarceration has a street reputation).
OJ, when you say ‘to poison the court proceedings’, what do you mean, specifically?
Jason said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:23 am OJ, when you say ‘to poison the court proceedings’, what do you mean, specifically?
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his appearance focuses all attention on the HALEIGH missing case!
Hope is in court for a (seperate) drug charge…
HENCE the poisoning of the proceedings..Hope had no chance, especially with her drunken inept shyster mouthpiece!
I guess the nightclub owner who allowed her to strip should be prosecuted now too? For letting a “child” earn her money in the sex industry…Thiose men who gave her money and saw her naked/topless….let’s run out and get them too.
Of course, since she is such a child and so irresponsible that she can not be held accountable for her own decisions and actions, her children should also be taken away. She obviously has no business raising them since she herself is such a “child”.
While I MIGHT agree that a random drug offender with no priors or only 1 prior shouldn’t get 15 yrs, HOPE is not even close to being in that league.
SHe showed ALL of her TRUE COLORS in that call to no less then her MOTHER. It was repugnant, disgusting and certainly not the words of a “child”.
Jason said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:16 am
We already have that here in FL….fat lot of good it did. My daughter is 6 months younger then Hope and we had some truancy issues during the teenage years and let me tell you….they are Quick to let a parent know you WILL be charged and jailed if it is not rectified.
she’ll be in long enough to complete her G.E.D. while in-house and at the first parole hearing ( probably 3 years )..i bet the judge already has her wrote off in his file as ‘out in a second’..as long as she completes the g.e.d while on the inside to occupy her time. if she doesn’t complete her ged by the first parole hearing then they’ll let her try for the second ( probably another two or three )… i don’t buy the 85% minmum for this crime of sitting in the backseat as a second hand party… she’ll wise up once her attorney makes her first visit and tells her overcrowding is causing those who obtain their g.e.d to be released early.. that’s how it works for most people NOT on death row or in for rape…. but she deserved something and even the 15 to scare her eventhough she most likely will not serve the full sentence will shake her awake no doubt. She deserves the scare she got and a G.E.D is only thing parollees want to see these days. It’ll be like being sent to two or three years of military school( that she skipped out on anyway ). She’ll learn to stay in line that way. Like being in 3 years of military but they get to be lazier as log as they work on that g.e.d ! I wouldn’t feel too sad for this girl. it will straighten her out and set her on a better pasth once she’s forced to get a g.e.d with nothing else to occupy her time.
OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:21 am
Maybe you should rewatch that tape OJ…SHe gets OUT of the car, goes inside a dwelling with Misty, buys pills from HOPE’S contact, they both get back in the car, Hope hands Misty the pills, Misty hands one up from to Ron which he slips between his lips….
YEa, I know that video well…
HollysGmom said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:37 am I guess the nightclub owner who allowed her to strip should be prosecuted now too? For letting a “child” earn her money in the sex industry…Thiose men who gave her money and saw her naked/topless….let’s run out and get them too.
Of course, since she is such a child and so irresponsible that she can not be held accountable for her own decisions and actions, her children should also be taken away. She obviously has no business raising them since she herself is such a “child”.
While I MIGHT agree that a random drug offender with no priors or only 1 prior shouldn’t get 15 yrs, HOPE is not even close to being in that league.
SHe showed ALL of her TRUE COLORS in that call to no less then her MOTHER. It was repugnant, disgusting and certainly not the words of a “child”.
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your jealous!
so she was a stripper, big deal, because you could never be is no reason to be a hater..
jus sayin
please don’t be catty.
Your calling me catty…LOL! Look at what your screaming about her lawyer, who is an upstanding citizen…
I was making the point that she isn’t such a “child” as some might think
SHe’s a mother,
Has been a stripper by her OWN admission
If she’s being portrayed as a child then these other things would also be wrong or out of conduct for a “child”.
DO I think young women should enter that life, no it’s always downhill. But it IS their choice and I’m ok with it.
if she did more than sit in the backseat then she got what she deserves , but trust me when i say a g.e.d will set her free at first chance she gets ,if completed. Thats all they want to see.
Hope’s lawyer is a worthless vomit! She left Hope twisting in the wind..didn’t even explain what “no contest” was! absoutely dispicable!!
The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!!!!!!!!!!
How do you know what I could or couldn’t be….? Regardless of my current age, I was young once too. I also had to make some tough decisions about how I wanted to lead my life after being raised by addicts & abusers. I didn’t have people running to my rescue though, so I knew I had to play it safe.
There go the personal attacks again.
Have we forgotten that the drug infested lifestyle of these low lifes has contributed to the end of the life of a 5yr old little girl?
At this stage of the game, I don’t care how dirty anyone plays to get these idiots to talk.
15 yrs or 25 yrs, if that’s the best they can do right now, so be it.
OJ;
I’m am not being snarky at all when I say this, ok. I’ve been thinking a lot the last few days about you & your stance on Misty & such and I really do feel that with as much passion as you seem to have about Hope & Misty’s fates, maybe you should really try to make a difference for them. Yes, of course post here and rail all you want too, but really….if you feel this much about it, try to honestly make a difference.
BTW, I’m not that old…LOL! Not yet 42
HollysGmom said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:57 am How do you know what I could or couldn’t be….?
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are you flirting wih me? I’m sure you made a great go go dancer..are you under a hundred pounds? I’m not into fatties, jus sayin.
Even if it’s just a card/letter writing campaign to let them know that you & others feel the way you do and want to emotionally support hem & help them to a better future in whatever capacity you can.
Help with GED books or supplies.
Computer GED program…HEck I have one I’ll donate! I’ll even buy another so both can have one. Look into help from any source possible: legally, educational, spiritual (sometimes this organization has more sources and resources), health….whatever you can do, right?
OJ…LOL….you do make me laugh….
41? perfect
BNN’s own Don Quixote….
keep tilting those windmills….
And here I thought we were gonna have a real conversation about your wanting to help these girls…..lol (Smacks self on forehead)
Isn’t that an oxymoron?Lol
Hey Random….your thoughts on Hope’s sentencing and help for these girls if any? lol
4 drug related charges in just 6 months.
She is going where she belongs, three strikes you’re out… She got a few extra strikes..
Letting these people slide has not helped them, just look at Ronalds record..
HOPE ANTWANETTE SYKES
PALATKA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 6/10/2009 2:49:24 PM – Booking#: 09-02372
Release Date & Time: 6/10/2009 3:25:00 PM
DOB: 3/24/1991 – RACE: W – SEX: F
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
812.015-2 SHOPLIFTING PETIT FROM MERCHANT 2ND OR SUBSQ OFF M F $504.00 6/10/2009 3:27:04 PM
810.08-2b TRESPASSING OCCUPIED STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE M F $504.00 6/10/2009 3:26:35 PM
HOPE ANTWANETTE SYKES
PALATKA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 6/24/2009 10:27:07 AM – Booking#: 09-02601
Release Date & Time: 6/26/2009 9:45:00 AM
DOB: 3/24/1991 – RACE: W – SEX: F
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.13-1a2 MARIJUANA-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG OR DELIVER SCHEDULE I F T $1,004.00 6/26/2009 9:45:31 AM
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M F $504.00 6/26/2009 9:45:21 AM
HOPE ANTWANETTE SYKES
PALATKA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 7/14/2009 1:01:38 PM – Booking#: 09-02894
Release Date & Time: 7/29/2009 1:35:00 PM
DOB: 3/24/1991 – RACE: W – SEX: F
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.13-1a2 MARIJUANA-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG OR DELIVER SCHEDULE I F T $1,004.00 7/29/2009 1:23:05 PM
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M F $504.00 7/29/2009 1:22:54 PM
812.015-2 LARC PETIT FROM TRANSIT AGENCY 2ND OR SUBSQ OFF M S $504.00 7/29/2009 1:22:34 PM
810.08-2b TRESPASSING OCCUPIED STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE
HOPE ANTWANETTE SYKES
PALATKA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 1/3/2010 8:22:50 AM – Booking#: 10-00026
Release Date & Time: 1/3/2010 9:49:00 AM
DOB: 3/24/1991 – RACE: W – SEX: F
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.13-6a DRUGS-POSSESS CNTRL SUB WO PRESCRIPTION F T $1,004.00 1/3/2010 9:51:49 AM
$1,004.00
HOPE ANTWANETTE SYKES
PALATKA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 1/20/2010 10:37:05 PM – Booking#: 10-00279
Release Date & Time:
DOB: 3/24/1991 – RACE: W – SEX: F
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.135-1c1 DRUGS-TRAFFIC 4 GRAMS LESS 30 KG OTHER CNTRL SUBST F F $150,000.00
$150,000.00
Deserves punishment but it’s way excessive imho.
no contest is just that… they had evidence .. no way around it.. either go to trial and waste taxpayer money which causes the judge to throw more than the minimum or plead no contest, causing less hassle since she was gulity and knew it, and be spared the minimum. The only other thing she could’ve done was make a plea bargain to snitch out the owner of the dope house she received it from and pleaing down to a lesser charge. she obviously chose not to snitch on the owner who’s peddling the ‘big’ portions to that towns decay, so no contest was her best choice after that. Pleading in a case is not the same as a plea bargain. Bargains don’t happen unless the state gets something in return, (i.e – testifying against others involved, relevant info about a’ higher up’ dealer or or even sometimes wearing a wire ) she chose not to take any bargaining probably for fear of retaliation but it is what it is. Personally I would snitch any rat a$$ over throwing myself in for fifteen. never sell your loyalty to other drugees at the expense of your ownself. If all would snitch their wouldn’t be such a drug problem and SO problem down there. Screw the ‘drug community’ and ‘ SO community’and their queer loyalty to each other. I’d love to be a Snitch or NARC. Screw’em’ all to hell. When little girls die over it does loyalty to the drugees even matter anymore. They should just hang themselves on the inside and save us all the trouble.
buddy – I was thinking tonight, that is what Ron may do -snitch. It’s about his only option, since he will be sentenced under this mandatory sentencing guidline.
It has to be substantial info though.
Yikes! I didn’t know the ending of that literary reference….
Maybe a word to the wise…sub-consciously.
SOmething 7;
WOw! (momentary speechlessness)
Mostly agree
your right something 7, heartless, but right.
These people would rat out who did what to haleigh but guess what, no one has! because they don’t KNOW! They are only saying what they think LE wants to hear! Thats why TORTURE doesn’t work! The tortured say what ever will stop the TORTURE!!!
OJ…what torture? Not being able to leave jail? Not being able to have free reign over their day anymore? Being told when and what they can do 24/7? Eating like little piglets from commissary? What torture? PLease explain. LE can’t even talk to her with out her attoreny. Fields was at the dock WITH her, I have a news link that proves it….what torture?
Holly, until age 25 when her brain is fully developed, she is a child.
Her ‘true colors’ are that she is a child named Hope.
I think Tommy has already cut a deal. His attorney is now going public. According to his attorney he has substantial info.
I would like to see at least one person in this mess turn their life around.
Just because Misty recognized that she walked past a pile of bones does not mean LE told her they were Haleigh’s or even human. Fields was standing right beside her for most of it. Do you think he would allow anything like that to go on?
hgm..what are your measurements? 🙂
OK Jason…If everyone under 25 are not to be held accountable for their actions I think it is vital that we mandate that every parent under that age should immediately turn over any children they have to their parents or other gaurdians because they might kill the child or allow it to be killed and then since they are just children themselves, it will bo less of a crime then “adults”. Too high a risk.
How can a person who is not responsible for themselves raise a child? Yet, our grandmothers were being more responsible at 16 then todays youth are at 25…..Could that be due in part to accountability? Our grandparents were considered adults at 16 often times. Our parents by 18, as well as ourselves….now it’s to be pushed back 7 yrs?
Whatever OJ….You obviously only want to just post to flare up controversy and not really help anybody….so at least now I know for sure.
yeah, a bit over the top with the charleton heston impression in front of the statue of liberiy, but yeah, that town rots with some nasty, perverted SO bullshnikey !…
… wasn’t it like 4 in the last 14 months down in that area… too bad they wouldn’t clean up the ones peddling the big quanitities rather than the young poeople acting as middlemen for a few quick bucks. I’m sure the real pusher has a nice boat sittin on the horizon with a few nasty hookers by his side , sipping champagne and getting away with it. TYPICAL.
wrong hgm..can’t be serious all the time..
and I’m helping and have been for a while.
Did anyone else see NG’s face tonight when Tommy’s lawyer said he’s dying for them to arrest the person who did it so he can finally talk about it.
I thought her chin was going to hit the floor.
Well good, OJ…THank you for sharing that. It really did weight on my heart to mention it.
Maybe others are willing to extend a compassionate hand as well.
No Random….any link? What’s that youtube channel that streams it?
Holly @ 1:25: A hostage is a person held by a captor. So, yes – Hope, Misty, Ron, and Tom are hostages.
HollysGmom said,in April 28th, 2010 at 1:40 am Well good, OJ…THank you for sharing that. It really did weight on my heart to mention it.
Maybe others are willing to extend a compassionate hand as well.
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what are you wearing? negligee?
Holly @ 1:32: Can’t help you with the answers to all of those questions!
Hostages are innocent of any wrong doing…..those you’ve mentioned are not.
Everyone but Misty has had many chances and many breaks and still they persisted. WHat makes you think going light on them is gonna do any good. It’s like throwing good money after bad. WHy? It obviously wasn’t working. Hope herself said she lied to the judge (perjury) about her occupation, she was beligerant about what she was or was not going to do, like it was all up to her, out right said she thought it a game….
I’m sorry, Hollysgmom – I’ve never watched it streaming. Just the rerun on HLN.
His attorney said Tommy is only facing three years and that tommy knows what happened to Haleigh and that tommy is not culpable. And he’s dying for them to arrest the person so he can finally talk about it.
He has me more hopeful than anyone else that a resolution is coming.
There seems to be some kind of intimidating practice going on in the Florida courts….
On May 13th the following will be in court for sentencing!
Ronnald Cummings
Tommy Croslin
Hank Croslin
Lisa Croslin
Do I really need to mention the judges name?
She wanted treated by the courts as a child, and get a lesser sentence, wanted treated as an adult as she stripped, and wanted to be let go but she pled no contest… She had a lawyer who advised her to plead this way, and Ron was brought in as a person to vouch for her credibility and honor as a good citizen…
Could the investigators have sold the idea of Ron, etc.. as dropping a hint or something to the lawyer as a good idea, allowing the two convicts to see each other for some benefit, to corroborate or whatever? Could the state be working with the lawyer to allow this to happen this way with out her knowing, as part of the investigative tactics, to shake up the others, while leaving a gaping hole for Hope to appeal this later due to inept council, etc.? All the while shaking up the rest of them to get the tell-all?
I also think it is possible the home was not the crime scene, maybe the dock or the van or another house was, which would explain why the questions about the house don’t shake Misty enough to make her slip, it is a safe lie, because no matter how much she messes up the house story, they won’t find anything there, if you get what I mean…? It would also explain some other stuff.
night all…
Can’t help but laugh…..Maybe I’m just over tired…been up too long…
blessed said,in April 28th, 2010 at 1:47 am There seems to be some kind of intimidating practice going on in the Florida courts….
On May 13th the following will be in court for sentencing!
Ronnald Cummings
Tommy Croslin
Hank Croslin
Lisa Croslin
Do I really need to mention the judges name?
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absoutely..the justice system in florida is CORRUPT!!!!!!!!!!
Chromedaffodils;
Agree!
Agree! Possible, maybe even HOPEfull
Agree!
Holly @ 1:46: People held hostage may, or may not have committed crimes. A hostage is a person held by a captor(s).
I guess we’re lucky we’re no a chain-gang state or your guys would really be going crazy….LMAO!
Jason:
I think there is a MORAL distinction there that I am willing to make…agree to disagree..
if the lawyer knows he’s only facing three years, that may have been the plea bargain already in motion. His testimony at trial would seal his part of the bargain. Any time served while waiting to testify would be put toward his sentence. I think an arrest might be in tow here…reducing a mandatory minimum of 15 (possibly more )on his drug (same as hope’s) to 3 ,means a plea bargain was struck, IMO !
I personally don’t think Haleigh was killed at the dock. There were houses around and she would have been screaming and kicking.
When they started that last search I really thought maybe we would have answers by now, I am beginning to feel frustration with the cops, to be honest. Anyone else?
Jason: Based on what you are saying, I really would like to hear your thoughts on Hope’s ability to parent small children since she isn’t able to even parent herself under those guidelines.
Biologically, she’s a child till age 25. The parts of her brain which deal with decision-making and risk assessment, are two still very undeveloped.
Sleepy time – good nite all!
Before Tommy took them to the dock, he was at the State Attorney’s office. My bet would be a sweet deal.
He could walk.
Something 7….I totally agree….Steve Brown said Tommy was the one who finally spilled it. I think Mr Brown only said he didn’t think ROn was involved to trick ROn into thinking he’s still safe. JMO..JMO…JMO
Jason; I get what you are saying but just where do we draw the line? Some 50 yr olds are still emotionally and/or rationally children. Not all or most but some.
Diminished capacity….I think they ALL can claim that….Oh..except Ron…his mom says he’s a genius…sorry Ron, you missed the boat on that one…
I had a twiiter convo with Pat Brown and a few others the other night about that very topic….people who might walk due to deals or misdirection of blame…..Scary!
Many experts say JO will never be charged unless he confesses or DNA puts him at her remains or DNA on evidence found.
Tommy will get a lesser sentence/sweet deal to tell all
Misty is gonna be culpable
Possibly Ronald as well
Potential for other people to a lesser degree (Cover-up, false statements, etc)
This is a culmative opinion based upon several “expert” opinions.
I’ll tell you all the names tomorrow…going to crash now…
Wouldn’t it be some rotten BS if Tommy ends up lynched in jail and ends up a dead witness… better put him in protective custody to keep some rogue inmates away from him. Might be an inside hit out on him. Although ,i don’t think these low-level druggies have that kind of clout to get a contract out on another inmate.
whata was the speculation, hollysgmom? any names?
Hey is D brock the same mole that was planted by TES awhile back… she sounds like the setup girl for the undercover… getting the mice a second time with a different trap but the same cheese is hilarious ! Wow these ppl are dumb if she was the same person. …or… nm!
Jason is right about Hope being immature. The frontal cortex of the brain is not fully developed until around age 28 or so. This is a fact, regardless of what the law says.
Hope went off on an immature rant and the judge decided to “show her.” He really did NOT have to follow those sentencing GUIDELINES.
I am unequivocally against drugs and drug trafficking. However, I think that Hope was being a rebellious teen-aged smart mouth. I also think she was simply in the car and not part of the drug deal. Guilty of very bad, very immature judgment. Absolutely. Deserving of 15 years in jail? No, I don’t think so.
hello all, some very thoughtful comments here tonight. i have always been horrified at the you are either a child or a adult. very unfair system. i don’t have enough knowledge on what ages to exactly pick, but, we really need to acknowledge we have “real” children and then we have teens and young adults and then we have “real” adults.
so many times children and teens are tried as adults because they don’t want them to get out at age 21. i do get we don’t want some children/teens to get out at age 21. but, trying kids/teens as adults is not the answer. since teens are hardly the same as children they should be more responsible for their actions than children. but, teens are not adults either soooo they should not suffer adult consequences? if we had a specific teens category where they could be held beyond 21 and have a wider choice of consequences that would solve trying children and teens as adults?
but, i do agree 18 y.o. people should be able to get married and participate in life as adults. (live on their own, own property, make medical decisions etc.) so should they also be held legally responsible the same as older adults? if we are going to try them as adults, should there not be room for taking their ages into consideration for their sentencing, even in the case of mandatory sentences?
well i don’t have the answers, but, i really think we need to expand how we deal with criminal activity to acknowledged age appropriate consequences. and i am not advocating to let people off because of their ages. teens are more responsible than children and so should be held more responsible. but, not the same as older adults who have had time to develop themselves more. i think some states do this?
boy i am zonked right now, so, i hope i am making sense. :S
A few things..
Florida doesn’t offer parole. You serve 85% of your time. There is no early out.
Next, She isn’t a child. This state has 12 year old children serving time as adults for murder. She was 18 when this happened and she was and is an adult by the standards of this country. (other than buying booze)
Now what I think is that she has 30 days to get her sentence reduced and the judge knows that. So maybe the 15 years was given to her to scare the hell out of the other players in the Haleigh case. When Ron heard the sentence and then when Misty finds out, LE fully expects deals in the Haleigh case to be made. Maybe once they are, this Judge will reduce her (Hope’s) sentence.
It really does seem that Hope made a plea without a deal from the state and that was stupid on her part… Good lawyer or not.
Jason,
I totally agree with all your posts on this topic. Well done.
OT…hope your loved one is continuing to improve.
m2c…where are you?….miss you here!
iirc, hope told her mother she didn’t even try to listen to her lawyer, she deliberately chose to tune her out???
she also said “you think I’m “bad” now” wait when I get out .
some where along that line
Does Lisa and Hank go to court on the same day Misty, Ron and Tommy go?
OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:55 am Hope’s lawyer is a worthless vomit! She left Hope twisting in the wind..didn’t even explain what “no contest” was! absoutely dispicable!!
The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!!!!!!!!!!
hello oj, i believe if you go back to that call we heard when hope was talking to her mother, she says her lawyer did talk to her, but, she (hope) did not really pay attention to what her lawyer was telling her. it is around 2:30 into the call. hope really should have participated more in that conversation with her lawyer. imoo.
it sounded to me, that hope just decided to let her lawyer handle it and it would all turn out okay in the end. even when her mom tried to tell her what she herself understood, hope was really not “hearing” her mom. hope really had a attitude. hope was telling her mom that she was calling the shots. i won’t do this, but, i will do that. i am wondering if hope signed anything agreeing to the plea??? also, does the judge not ask the defendent questions to see if they understand what the plea means??? (maybe i watch to much tv?)
having said that, i do not feel capable of judging whether or not any of their attorney’s are doing a good job or not. or whether or not the florida justice system is corrupt or not. but, i am watching and wondering about it all! also, i am reading all the opinions on this blog – it really helps.
and honestly, (as i posted on an earlier thread) i still believe the drug charges all came from the participants practically flaunting their behavior in le faces. they knew that the haleigh investigation was ongoing and that they themselves were on le’s radar. i really don’t believe they could not get jobs. it looked to me like they all were enjoying the thrill of their chosen lifestyles. being bigshots! they knew and chose to take the chance. well this is my own opinion.
How on earth was she a stripper? UGGGGGGGGGLY B
Okay I think they gave Hope 15 years to scare Misty,Ron,Tommy, and Donna. I don’t think Hope will serve 15 or anything close to 15 years. Because she can appeal. And she said right on tape that she didn’t understand what her Attorney was pleading. And the judge knows this. THis is just away for Misty and the clan to tell what happened to Haleigh.
The 15 years will scare everyone else. And when everyone starts telling what really happened to Haleigh. Hope will be back in court on her appeal and will get 2 to 3 years max. JMO
Did Armando ever get back on what else they may have found in the river. He said clothing possibly was found possibly.
Thanks to Sara Jane for the pictures of Hope Sykes and family in court. I did not feel bad for her at all. What happened was she just got schooled.(It was the equivalent of a smack across the face to “wipe that smirk off”) If you’ll notice, all the main characters seem to be living in la-la land, wherein they don’t think their videotaped actions snagged them redhanded. How many times have we heard Misty railing on prison phones that she “she will NOT be put in jail for what she did NOT do!” I mean, has Hank, Sr. seen the vids and told Misty “Look I’ve seen you on videotape Girl! That’s all they need to get you!” I know he has told her that they wanted her and they got her! He tried to get her to fess up already about what she knows. Misty is in on the cover up, whatever it was that happened.
In my opinion, Ron was brought into court to see what could happen to HIM. In court, he bends over with a finger in his eye, as if he’s dabbing a tear away. Is he feeling guilty caus Hope was just along for the ride and got caught when she was an unsuspecting passenger? (According to one of the bloggers, they actually got the pills from Hope’s contacts. Not so innocent anymore.) I can see how they thought they were merely helping a “fellow brother” out with the pills but it WAS all against the law. I believe Ron got a good dose of “whuppism” when he realized this is not a game AT ALL. Twas no coincidence that Hope was sentenced first. This gives all the others a heads up about what could happen to them. Now’s the time to confess and get a deal. In 30 days, AFTER Ronald and Misty’s court appearances, Hope’s sentence MIGHT be reduced. 15 years is longer than most rapists and murderers get so it could be part of the ploy to get someone to confess. It would seem that they were all close enough to Hope that she might know what happened to Haleigh, too. Could be a bargaining chip for her.
My thinking is “IF LE DOESN’T have evidence of little Haleigh’s clothing or some form of DNA from leftover bones in the river,” all the participants will be LUCKY they only got charged with dealing drugs and not killing or disposing a dead child’s body. We may NEVER know what happened. I HOPE that Tommy’s version of the truth rings true and that no one gets saddled with the blame if they are not the guilty party. (ie; if Joe was set up. I agree that Joe looks awfully twitchy and guilty but he may only “know” about what went down) It seems beyond heartless that Ron would agree to put his deceased daughter in gator infested waters if she died from an overdose, doesn’t it? I personally don’t believe that her body was ever put in the dumpster. Police have said the dogs hit on a band-aid with blood, from workers who had been in that area.
Hollygsmom, Supposedly Misty knew they were deer bones and figured the police were trying to scare her. You are THE ONLY PERSON who has said her attorney was there. NO ONE ELSE HAS SAID THAT. Are you entirely SURE that was FIELDS at the docks? ALL the other shows (Hosts and lawyers) have said “Where the hell was her lawyer?!” Please advise or explain where you have photographic proof it was him.
Me said – I’m sure LE would have tested Jr. if they even suspected he had been given a drug. Ron’s record was easily accessible to them and I’d be sure they checked it out.
Re Crystal not letting jr. talk to anyone about what happened….are you kidding? She let him talk to the whole world….did you not see him answering those questions on Geraldo?
As for sexual abuse by her own family (the Cummings)….yuck…what in the world would prompt you to make such an ugly accusation? I know there are RSOs on Crystal’s side of the family, but have never heard of one on Ron’s side.
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Hello…did you even listen to the same radio show that I did? Are you not familiar with the case of Shaniya Davis? As far as Jr…yes, the whole world heard him say that he saw a man dressed in black. Then, did you hear the part where Crystal said she is not going to ask him questions? No, Jr. would NOT have been tested for drugs initially, because it was several months before the drug issue came into question, and testing children for drugs when at first you think it is a stranger abduction is not standard procedure. I am so tired of having to defend my comments which are based on facts to people like you who are only partially paying attention and biased towards CS. FO!
those widebodies were all up in misty’s space!
Her lawyer was not there, hes been awol this whole time.
She was what – Unfortunately, I’ve been to a strip club once (I’m not sure why I agreed to go), and trust me there may be one 1/2 way attractive female in the bunch. Was she in the pictures of Hope’s trial?
OJ’s glove
Wonder what has happened to Misty’s attorney?
Here are my question again, that nobody seems to be able to answer.
Hope’s Sentence:
The judge took into consideration the charges from Jan 3rd’s arrest in his ruling. Here is my question. She was not sentenced yet on those charges, she has not yet been convicted. Or has she? Anyone know? Would this not make the Jan 3rd charges mute for her sentencing for the recent drug charge?
Sounds as if Hope’s attorney is not happy with yesterdays ruling as well. I wonder if she will file an appeal?
If you listen to the full phone conversation with Hope and her mother..neither “UNDERSTOOD” why Hope pleaded no-contest. Would this not fall under grounds for an apeal?
Regardless of what Hope signed or said..she may of been under the impression that she would only have to serve a few years.
Misty’s attorney also spoke out yesterday, I wonder if he got word to Misty yet on how many years Hope got and will that finally make Misty come clean?
I still wonder if Hope sentence is part of LE’s plan to try and crack Misty. I know it’s up to the Judge and the laws to what type of sentence she gets, Judge LaRue is the one that sentenced her to 15 yrs not LE. IMO that is a long time for someone so young with no violence criminal record. Yes, she should be punished for her crimes and do time, but IMO I feel they should of put her in a drug program and given some prison time. How is she going to rehabilitate sitting in prison taking up a cell that could house a Sex Offender or Murderer? She will have more access to drugs in prison. It happens often, maybe that is why she made the remark she rather serve 15yrs in prison, rather than do the drug programs. Obviously she is an addict and needs helps. I don’t think 15yrs in prison will break her of her habits, if anything it will turn her into an angry revengeful person. She will most likely come out worse being around real hard core criminals.
They give shorter sentences to the hard core criminals and it makes no sense to me. I am not defending her, just saying she just took up a cell that could house a violent criminal that will be put back out in the streets to hurt a child/someone in the community in the future.
Jason 4-28-10@1;25am, Based on what you are saying,i would really like to hear your thoughts on our sons being sent off to WAR! If there brain decision-making and risk assessment are undeveloped untill age of 25?
Trotline 4-28-10 4;31am Good Read!
Jesika 4-28-10 5;37am Good Read!
Ms, Peridot19 4-28-10 7;00 Great Read!
OJ’s Glove 4-28-12;55 Absoutely dispicable! So you think, The florida justice system is corrupt,do you think Hope is corrupt? Are do you think like jason and want to blame everything on her brain? There are thousand’s of kids who go to school every day and they do know right from wrong and so does hope, she has a bad attitude alright but i bet this moring it has changed!The judges in these cases have to sometimes throw the book at these people to get them to wake up out of there slumber! We have guys going to war every day loseing there lives so that these people can sell drugs! I do not feel sorry for hope are none of the rest of them, i feel bad for HALEIGH, THE INNOCENT!!!!!
I say YOU GO JUDGE LaRue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People are questioning why they played Hope’s phone conversation with her mom at her court date yesterday. WELL…for starters, the prosecution KNOWS that Hope (or anyone being sentenced) is going to tell the judge how sorry they are, that they’ve learned their lesson, they want to turn their life around, they want to become a missionary, feed the hungry, build homes for the homeless, donate a kidney, find a cure for cancer, solve the mideast issues, get the whole world to sing kumbaya and stop global warming. SOOOO, they play the tape of Hope’s F Bomb rant and say “Oh REALLY? That certainly wasn’t what you said on THIS day!”
None of these people are EVER held accountable for their actions. They never have to face reality. Their parents and grandparents are all criminals too and never disciplined their children. It is about time someone gave one of these losers a healthy dose of reality and made them FACE their actions. I hope and pray the rest meet the same fate. SOMEONE has got to stand up to these people and get them to wake the frigg up! They will NEVER turn their lives around until someone takes them out behind the proverbial woodshed and shows them some consequences for their actions….something they OBVIOUSLY have never faced. They’ve learned NOTHING from warnings, probation, etc. I agree that kids should be given every chance but we have limited resources and those who TRULY want to turn their lives around get first dibs in my book. These people have not demonstrated ONE ounce of responsibility or remorse for their actions. You listen to them on the jail tapes and they all refuse to accept any responsibility. Time for a little “Tough Love” and a healthy dose of reality!
Linda said,in April 28th, 2010 at 9:03 am – AMEN SISTER! YOU TELL EM’! I AGREE 1,000,000 PERCENT!
All of these people in their frequent jailhouse rants think they should be given probation, that they should not receive punishment, that they really didn’t do anything wrong, that they are being treated unfairly. They see NOTHING wrong with what they did which tells me if released back into society they will repeat the same actions over and over and over again. They learn NOTHING. So, off to prison with them where they can either turn their sorry arses around or go into it with the “if they think I’m bad now, wait until I get out” mentality. That choice is theirs. But I don’t believe for one second that any of them have “repented” or will change should they be released. They have NOT learned their lesson. If they were truly sorry they would have told what they know about Haleigh by now.
MADJGNLAW said,in April 28th, 2010 at 8:07 amHere are my question again, that nobody seems to be able to answer.
Hope’s Sentence:
The judge took into consideration the charges from Jan 3rd’s arrest in his ruling. Here is my question. She was not sentenced yet on those charges, she has not yet been convicted. Or has she? Anyone know? Would this not make the Jan 3rd charges mute for her sentencing for the recent drug charge?
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excellent question.
it is confusing to me. at one point in the h.s. k.b. call, katrina says something about the one charge got dismissed if you took the trafficking charge. but, hope says no mom i have two charges still.
my sense, katrina did pay attention and i think she got that part correct. if hope pleas to the trafficking, then the first charge probably got dropped.
in the article at gainesville: “LaRue cited Sykes’ violation of the terms of her release for the drug possession charge as a factor in his decision to give her 15 years.”
so i bet this means the first charged was dropped however it was part of larue’s decision in the trafficking charge on the 19th(?).
personally i am at this time assuming, that after that phone conversation, hope talked to hope’s lawyer again, because hope did not understand what was going on. katrina told her she had to talk to her lawyer again.
clearly there is a lot of frustration in that phone call. near the end of the call katrina seems to be expressing approval of what the lawyer is doing. however, earlier in the call katrina is talking about the different possible sentences hope could get from the judge. so NOT BELIEVING it WILL most likely be the possible 30 years she said the judge could give hope for pleading no contest.
i too agree with many here that the ruling is meant as a message to the other people involved in the trafficking charges. and the statement from the gainsville, makes it sound like the judge does have the power or discretion to decide hopes sentence. i am anxious to see the final outcome. especially if they can make the case hope did not understand the plea agreement, or even appeal on other grounds. hope may end up with no where near the 15 years.
Jason said,in April 28th, 2010 at 1:52 am Holly @ 1:46: People held hostage may, or may not have committed crimes. A hostage is a person held by a captor(s).
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LMAO~They aren’t hostages they are criminal, and waiting due process. PSCO or any other Sherrif’s office nor the LE are captors FTLOG
Good morning everyone,
I have taken notice that many feel that Hopes charge was unjust and would like to share a tragic life experiance my family endured in Aug. of 2000. I am a proud mother of three beautifull daughters and had thought I was protecting my children from all the evil in this world, but, relized evil comes in all forms.
My youngest daughter had just started 3rd grade and we live in a rural area and my children had few friends that we allowed our children to play with or even spend the night with.
To make a long story short my youngest daughter’s best friend was 8 soon to turn 9 and they would play often at her home or ours. I never dreamed that the oldest sister (16) of my daughters friend would expose the younger children to a habit that would eventually take my little girls life.
The 16 year olds drug of choice was huffing air freshener.
My daughter decided to try it 1 time and never woke up.
My Casey was still a little girl, playing wth barbies and dolls.
It is sad yes,but, a well deserved sentance, IMO. Maybe it will save a few lives in these families and end the cycle of addiction.
Exactly, Just one! There is no may or may not have committed crimes either. They were caught on video surveillance. There’s no if’s, and’s or but’s about it – the crime was committed.
some are talking about brain development. i did a quick look-up here at http://www.fcs.uga.edu/ext/bbb/brainTimeline.php
as i said earlier, i really wish our laws were based on child, teen (plus maybe early twenties,) and adults.
not to say people should not be considered adults until are brains are fully formed. most late teens and early twenties are capable of living adult lives. i just wish, the different stages could be considered in sentencing if it is relevant. in my opinion fwiw
I agree texasmommy39. So so so sorry to hear about your darling Casey. You could not have possibly known something like that would have happened either. So, I hope you never ever blame yourself for what happened.
hope just SAT IN THE CAR, she said she didn’t even touth the pills. Her lawyer sold her down the river, absoutely disgraceful! To plead her guilty as charged to a mandatory minimum 15 year sentence is an absolute miscarriage of justice. Her lawyer is GARBAGE and working with the prosecutors! She should be DISBARRED!! imho
I did for a while, I bought the air freshener. In fact that morning before work I cleaned house sprayed it down and left the can on the dryer.
For months the owners of the 1 corner store in our area hated to see me walk in….. I would go and grab a trash can a throw all the 30 + cans on the shelf into the garbage and rant that it was a obvious supply and demand that reqiered that many to be on the shelf and that they where contributing to the nightmare. LOL I am much better now….lmao NOT Istill talk Sh57 if I see more than 6 or 7 that he now only caries and they no longer sell air freshener to minors. Now if I could change the world…. I would have them band and taken off every shelf.
texasmommy, i am so sorry about what happened to your daughter. how completely unfair and tragic. i am sorry for your loss. i have learned from too many here at bnn just how horribly drug abuse have affected so many people and their lives.
OJ it is never black and white…..there is grey. Hopeneeded the wake up call as well as her family and everyone in that community and state it seems. The worl has to chage and it is no good to keep repeating it it has to be done.
The drug charges are a touchy subject as to how it all took place, but, they where willing participants. Sorry, I think she got what she deserved and so will the rest.
I am so sad, my heart breaks for them all, but, now have hope that the children in these families will have a chance to grow up without the imature drug useres in their lives..
OMG – texasmommy39
I am so sorry for you and your family’s loss… I would be devestated if anything happened to my precious Boo… I am so – words fail me…
I am just so very sorry for what happened to your baby girl.
Trust is becoming harder and harder to find in us all.
(((((((Everyone))))))) ty
Tex – so sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine losing your child that way. God Bless ya Tex. I’m so paranoid about my son and drugs I have him drug screened at the clinic randomly. He is 15. He just rolls his eyes and smiles when I tell him to hop in the car, we’re going for a drug test. They’re always negative….but I think because he knows I will test him without warning at any time, it is always in the back of his mind and he may avoid any temptation or peer pressure that may come his way.
But Tex, there is only so much we can do as parents. I do not fault you in any way, shape or form for what happened to your Casey and you shouldn’t blame yourself either. You did everything right and even then, things can and do go horribly wrong. I have friends that think I’m nuts for drug testing my son…especially since it is always negative. I tell them I’m sending him a very strong message and I think he gets it. Drugs will NOT be tolerated. But even with the things I do he could very easily take something or huff something one time and his life could end. All we can do is try our best, talk to our kids, take every precaution we can and the rest is in God’s hands.
lindsy’s myspace mood is DETERMINED with a grin . Wonder what is up with that? Maybe she has decided to divorce Tommy and raise the kids as a single mother. hmmmmmmmmm.
I should of shared my lifes lessons and exposed my scared and mangled soul long before now to be a voice for all the injustice and monsters that lurk in the shadows, but, it does not define me, it has made me stronger and I do not carry it as a badge. I do share what I think is relevant when the need arises and this morning it was just to heavy of a feeling not to share just a little so that others can see the truth and the way to stop the maddness of drugs in our families. Zero tollerance is called for, I just do not see how we can fit them all into the prisons we have. IML, maybe house arrests is more realistic for the masses.
TX
I’m soooo sorry.
I couldn’t begin to imagine what you went through. That is so sad. Did the teenager get punished?
What a charming family! I checked, but couldn’t seem to locate them in the social register. LOL>>>>>>>> Actually, they’re such trash they should all be living in dumpsters. Trailer parks are a step-up for this crowd. Hope looks more like she’s 35 than 19.
JB you can buy those at CVS and do them more often if you feel the need. WE did and my 2 oldest daughters always did it because they loved me and knew I loved them and could not bare to loose them.
Some drugs stay only in the system for 24 hours… a weekend away is all it takes.
Drug users and drug traffickers fall under two different categories imvho.
At the same time I just do not see how confining these people in a cell alone is going to do any real good.
Recidivism is a huge issue in our country.
It is a massive drain on the tax payers and the economy in general.
I have been an advocate for prison reform in my own state for several years. I am not alone and changes do not come either easily nor swiftly.
imvho
If Judges would/could include “in facility” drug rehab/counseling and demand that any needed education requirements were met to at least acheive a GED or better, job training as well as possible mental health evaluation and follow up care if necessary all as requirements of their sentencing laws then I personally would feel a lot more confident in the system.
(Maybe even allow the inmates to apply any skills they may have learned towards the betterment of society as time served credits?)
I know it sounds like a lot but recidivism is a huge issue and I would be much happier knowing that my tax dollars are geared towards true correctional reform measures spent on these inmates who will eventually be released out on the streets and into our neighborhoods.
Even the prosecutors acknowledged and applied these issues to their own argument when they used the recording of Hope when she was talking to her mother in a jailhouse conversation.
“If they think I am bad now wait until I get out of here.”
jmo
I do hope that Ron, Misty and Tommy are all taking note of Hope’s sentence and that they all truly realize that this is not a game.
texasmommy39 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 9:38 am Good morning everyone,
I have taken notice that many feel that Hopes charge was unjust and would like to share a tragic life experiance my family endured in Aug. of 2000. I am a proud mother of three beautifull daughters and had thought I was protecting my children from all the evil in this world, but, relized evil comes in all forms.
My youngest daughter had just started 3rd grade and we live in a rural area and my children had few friends that we allowed our children to play with or even spend the night with.
To make a long story short my youngest daughter’s best friend was 8 soon to turn 9 and they would play often at her home or ours. I never dreamed that the oldest sister (16) of my daughters friend would expose the younger children to a habit that would eventually take my little girls life.
The 16 year olds drug of choice was huffing air freshener.
My daughter decided to try it 1 time and never woke up.
My Casey was still a little girl, playing wth barbies and dolls.
It is sad yes,but, a well deserved sentance, IMO. Maybe it will save a few lives in these families and end the cycle of addiction.
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(((HUGS)))
TM I am so sorry for your loss, that is one of the most tragic stories I’ve ever heard. I too have had to deal with drug use in my own family, when my daughter was 16 I moved to another state for a job, she wanted to finish school out that yr and stayed with her dad, well after 3 weeks she was doing so much cocaine her nose was bleeding and she was down to 90lbs, when I flew her here I almost cried in front of her as I didn’t recognize this child as my daughter. She rec’d drug counseling and treatment and I now randomly test her for EVERYTHING with those test kits from Walgreens. You just never know, and I want to stay on top of it. So far it has been 3yrs and she’s tested clean, but I will always worry and continue to test her because just one time is all it takes to take a life. My heart goes out to you and breaks for you.
Tuff I can see your point, and can agree our prisons would be better served in locking up child killers and habitual criminals. I am not of the opinion that rehab works in the majority of cases, and feel it is a waste of anyone’s money that funds that BS. Drug addiction is a disease that takes more lives than cancer or aids.If I am not correct there are no cures for any of these.
The first step is to stop the disease from spreading to our youth period. They are getting younger and younger every day and the innocent ones in the wrong place at the wrong time are victims as well. Tell me how do we eradicate a disease that has no bounds and has effected and infected our world?
andi i had the same thought about hope. my word she looks old for a 19 year old
An article just broke on First Coast News regarding FDLE Roping off Area Near I-95, State Road 16 in St. Johns County. Is this anywhere near the MH? Sorry I don’t know the geography of the area. Probably not related to the Haleigh case but thought I’d check….
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=155345&catid=3
TM39 My heart goes out to you and your family as well.
I read what you posted yesterday about seeking an education and moving forward with your plans to take positive action.
You are already a hero to me and I hope that you follow through with your plans.
(((((((BIG HUGE HUGS)))))))
Hope …. meth? Possible.
tm39 I am not saying that offenders who have been convicted of crimes should completely escape from serving time. I am suggesting that while they are serving their time that other requirements be applied so that when they are released they will have a better chance at being productive citizens which would have a great affect on lessening the rate of recidivism also.
Just one, I am so happy she has you…. for that love and understanding that only a mother can have when your child is in need is sometimes the only cure. It sounds like she will be one of the lucky ones and will have the support and your love to fight that demon from her past.
(((((((hug’s))))) to you too.
Just One – Wow, now I can tell my son he isn’t the only teen on the planet that gets drug tested by his parents! LOL He thinks he has a WAY over-the-top paranoid protective mom….I just remind him I do it because I love him. He goes along with it without question but I do get the eye roll! LOL
I’ve told him he isn’t getting his permit nor will he get a drivers license if he has one positive test…and should he test positive after he gets his license it will be taken away.
I know there is no way to be 100% sure that your child is safe. That is impossible. But it is a parent’s job to do everything humanly possible to keep their kids safe. They are going to do dumb and careless things that put them in danger (that’s THEIR job…in an effort to make us CRACY! LOL). But I guess that is why I’m so hard on Ron and Crystal…because they didn’t do squat to keep their children safe. They endangered them every single day with their habits and lifestyle. And even after Haleigh went missing Ron continued in his horrid lifestyle continuing to put Jr in harm’s way. I pray Crystal can FINALLY get her act together for her children. If anything good can come out of this mess perhaps it will be that Crystal gets clean and gets her act together. And perhaps even Lindsey can cut ties with the Croslin clan and protect her children in a new life away from Tommy. One can only hope.
Hope did not receive JUSTICE..she was sentenced POLITICALY..the lawyers, cops, DA’s office and the judge are all very aware of the SPOTLIGHT placed on them. Hope was disembowled for POLITICAL reasons by the florida justice system.
I also agree that drug addiction is a disease which is why I included not only drug rehab but also mental health evaluation and follow up if necessary.
It has to go hand in hand imvho.
Tuff Stuff said,in April 28th, 2010 at 10:38 am TM39 My heart goes out to you and your family as well.
I read what you posted yesterday about seeking an education and moving forward with your plans to take positive action.
You are already a hero to me and I hope that you follow through with your plans.
(((((((BIG HUGE HUGS)))))))
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THANK YOU… LOL I need all support I can get.
I am definatly going for it. I have family in LE and was married to a PO. I am trying to decide where I would love it the most. I am leaning towards forensic science, but we will see. Cant wait to ride this next week.
Did anyone else notice when Hope talked with her mother she never once made a plea for help?
No please help me I messed up and I should have listened to you? No she thinks she has it all under control, she thinks she knows everything is going to go her way. She has gotten away in the past and thinks she will again, this needed to stop. When does everyone think Hope would wise up? When she is dead of a over dose? When she is murdered by another on drugs? When she is driving on drugs and kills another person? What will you say then?
Iknow what you would say. THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT HER IN PRISON BEFORE SHE HURT SOMEONE ELSE.JMO
OJ’s I disagree with you.
Hope was treated fairly as far as I can tell based on the current laws in that state.
The judge apparently sentenced her to the minimum time allowed so he was being rather easy on her imo.
Tobias, sadly I couldn’t agree with you more.
I agree that Hope’s sentence was extreme, but she does deserve some years in prison. Just being in the car makes her an accomplice. Let me ask you something OJ. Has Haleigh received justice yet? Do any of her family members (the ones in prison) care whether or not justice is sought for Haleigh?
Oh, OJ, get a grip. It was a mandatory sentence. The judge really had no say. He gave her the minimum allowed by law. She KNEW what she was doing was wrong. She had just gotten in trouble two weeks prior. She has a history of criminal activity. She has been caught for drugs and shoplifting in the past and learned NOTHING (obviously) from the punishment she received for those crimes. According to you all criminals should be let out of prison.
You know OJ, you seem intelligent so why don’t you share something new with us other than the usual rant of LE are buffoons, Misty is being tortured and all the other paranoid judicial corruption and conspiracy statements you normally flog us with. LOL Let’s see another side of OJ….for a change.
And OJ, just curious….what is your position on Casey Anthony? Just wondering if you believe she is innocent and being tortured as well?
she was way way overcharged..her so called lawyer did zilch for her
Tuff,
How do you think we should handle addicts? I am wanting to help change things so that our children are safe. My grand baby is 8 months and I have another coming in 7 months. I come from a very large family and the new generation is now coming into a world that is eat up with all kinds of sickness (drugs) and sickos.
texasmommy39 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 10:42 am Just one, I am so happy she has you…. for that love and understanding that only a mother can have when your child is in need is sometimes the only cure. It sounds like she will be one of the lucky ones and will have the support and your love to fight that demon from her past.
(((((((hug’s))))) to you too.
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As are your kids TM!!!!!!
She has grown up alot and has goals she has set now to work in the medical field, so I keep my fingers crossed but never forget that I have to keep an eye on her so those demons don’t return and if they do, I’ll be on top of it as it sound like you are with your kids.
Thanks .
JB said,in April 28th, 2010 at 10:42 am Just One – Wow, now I can tell my son he isn’t the only teen on the planet that gets drug tested by his parents! LOL He thinks he has a WAY over-the-top paranoid protective mom….I just remind him I do it because I love him. He goes along with it without question but I do get the eye roll! LOL
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Exaclty, and in the future our kids will understand and appreciate that we were hard asses on them. I don’t even get the eye roll anymore, I just tell her be lucky I’m not making you pay the $50.00 cost for the test every time I do it, that usually stops them dead in their tracks from complaining. Glad you are on top of it too.
LOL If either of the girls loose a pound I am asking questions… they are now 23 and 22. I stopped the drug testin lmao about 17 months ago when I found out the youngest was pregnant. The oldest she doesn’t drink or smoke.
One sad note here is even if you raise a happy healthy adjusted child who is a model citizen, someone else is possibly raising the child that could kill them because of neglecting their need for parenting.
We are all going to pay if this drug abuse isnt stopped.
Thats one of the problems in society people dont recognize this. They dont see how its going to affect their own kids. jmo
texasmommy39 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:05 am LOL If either of the girls loose a pound I am asking questions… they are now 23 and 22. I stopped the drug testin lmao about 17 months ago when I found out the youngest was pregnant. The oldest she doesn’t drink or smoke.
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Well now you have a blessed new baby to look forward to, spoil and love………I’m jealous. Congratulations!!
tm39,
I believe that drug addicts should be given mandatory sentences “that include” “in facility” drug rehab, mental health care evaluation and follow up if necessary, as well as education requirements to acheive a GED or better.
I also believe that drug traffickers shoudl receive harsher penalties than someone who is using. The user wouldn’t be using if the supplier wasn’t doing the supplying.
I also believe that we need much more funding for mental health care in general for all people not just inmates. Ignoring the issue does not make it go away and as a matter of fact many people who are in prison do have mental health care problems that are not being treated properly.
Where are the mentally ill supposed to go when funding has been so greatly lessened in the communities?
PS I am also a supporter of “Laura’s Law”.
just one…well, if you REALLY miss the eye roll…you can always come see me and I’ll share the lovely one I get! LOL It’s BIG enough for all of us! LOL But he does it with a smile…usually! LOL
I can’t believe how many drugs there are in the high school he goes to. My nephew goes there too. They and their friends are always telling me stories about the things that go on in the school and it FREAKS ME OUT! Between the drugs, the bullying, the school shootings (my son went through one of those when he was in 6th grade – middle school), etc., it is a wonder any of us are sane and that any of our children survive childhood!
Snodgrass pre trial is tomorrow, hope he goes away for a very long time. I still wonder if he commited other crimes that are yet to be uncovered or will they never be solved? JMO
I forgot to mention also requirements to attend job training/rade school classes etc…
If Haleigh was dead in the house, van or any other family vehicle wouldn’t the cadaver dogs have hit on them?
Did the dogs check the van or other family vehicles?
Did one dog hit on the dumpster or more than one dog?
If our country can afford to spend billions of dollars to bail out big banks then it can also afford to invest more money towards the betterment of society period!
all, jmvho.
wow that is good news tobias, thanks for the information. i cannot stay online this am. i am going to buy a new aircard this week. hope that is the problem and not my computer. everyone have a wonderful wednesday!
JB said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:09 am just one…well, if you REALLY miss the eye roll…you can always come see me and I’ll share the lovely one I get! LOL It’s BIG enough for all of us! LOL But he does it with a smile…usually! LOL
I can’t believe how many drugs there are in the high school he goes to. My nephew goes there too. They and their friends are always telling me stories about the things that go on in the school and it FREAKS ME OUT! Between the drugs, the bullying, the school shootings (my son went through one of those when he was in 6th grade – middle school), etc., it is a wonder any of us are sane and that any of our children survive childhood!
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LOL, thanks for offering but I’ve had enough eye rolls to last a lifetime! My daughter went to a private Christian School and the drugs there were unbelievable, because some/well most of the parents (not me) were rich, these kids had cocaine, oxy’s, and of course the best stocked liquor cabinet anywhere.
Scary about your son at a school that had a shooting, that would almost make me consider home schooling (Almost .wink). I agree the schools, public and private are horrible. I am grateful my son is so young and at this point in a super conservative school, with the highest parental involvement in the state………not that it stops everything, but the more parents there every day, the more likely they see things or the kids see tham and it prevents things. I consider myself very blessed but still worry so much about the future. I guess as parents that is our job, to worry and plan ahead for any unseen circumstance that might arise and then tackle it head on.
I recomend every parent that has a child to enroll them in a self defense course. This not only helps them protect themselves it also builds self esteeme. Our local YMCA has them and they are given by local law enforcement.jmo
Tuff, excellent suggestions. I agree there are a vast majority in our prisons with mental heath issues that do need to be addressed instead of ignored.
WOW guys I loved our chat today…. common ground!!!!!!
I am now patiently waiting for the case we all have been waiting to be solved to comprehend the what and why and how it can never be repeated.
Who would you rather do, Misty or Casey?
The question I would have to ask is To beat ass or pull a switch?
Of course at the moment I would do the first to misty and probable enjoy doing the second to Casey.
Good answer. I wished people would spend more time doing constructive thinking with their minds than that recent post. jmo
Just One – yes, it was very frightening with the school shooting. My son was standing next to the auditorium and the kid walked up next to him (and other kids) and opened fire with an assault weapon into the ceiling. Luckily the principal confronted the kid (and the kid’s gun jammed) but they later found explosives making materials in his locker as well. His dad was a violent felon who wasn’t supposed to even own guns and they had a house FULL of them. I had to get my son counseling….dealt with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (and a lot of sleepless nights and buying of extra locks and alarms for our house) but he’s doing great now.
Tobias…My son took swim lessons and played soccer at the YMCA. I enrolled him in some Karate classes at the Y and the instructor YELLED at the kids…had them all in tears. Couldn’t get my son to go back….not that I could blame it. The kids were pretty wild (as kids will be) and I think the instructor had had enough! LOL Even the parents jumped to attention when this instructor went into drill seargeant mode! LOL Scared the bajeebies out of all of us! It is funny now…but it ruined ever getting my son to take Karate! LOL Even now he is like “NO WAY!” LOL
So much for innocent until proven guilty. You’re all such fine Americans.
I have a feeling “BIG BOB” is probably more like a “wee willy” and is getting his jollies the only way he can. Sad. Truly sad….but KUDOS to Tex for a quick and absolutely brilliant response! LOL
JB thanks for the drug testing driver license idea. I have a 14 year old that is dealing with issues of drugs in the school and he has experimented. I’m doing all I can to help him as a parent should do. This is a great idea and inncentive for him. 🙂
Art – why thank you! I’m not on the jury and can’t be because I don’t live in Florida so it is all on the up and up for me to be judgmental…really…I promise. LOL
Wow, all was going well…I guess we were due for a fly by…or two…where is m2c with those umbrellas anyway!? LOL
JB, This program is more for protection in case someone is trying to abduct you and its for self defense only. Check your local YMCA or the police clubs in your area. They have age groups and it was for us a great experience. We figured if the firemen can teach stop, drop and roll, the police clubs could teach this as well. jmo
Romewi – You are most welcome. It has worked…so far! We have to get creative…I hope it will work for you too. Hang in there. You may have to try several things until you find what works best with your son. There’s got to be something he wants, wants to do, is interested in, etc., and when you threaten to take that away if he tests positive, you generally can get their attention. With my son, it is driving. That is HIS “hot button”. LOL
JB you should move, you belong there.
JB, what a lovely way to parent.
Tobias…I think I will check into it…frankly, I’d like to take a self defense course as well. Maybe I can find one that my son and I can do together. Thanks for the info. It truly is a great idea. We just had the bad experience…well…it wasn’t THAT bad…kinda funny now….but it is something we could do together and would be a great tool for both of us to keep us safe.
Art…thanks anyway…I’m quite happy where I’m at but I DO appreciate your concern.
And thank you! I DO believe I’m as good a parent as I can be. Am I perfect? NO! But I AM involved and would give my life for my child. I will protect him with my dying breath and have wonderful communication with him. He knows there is NOTHING he can’t come and talk to me about. We respect one another but he KNOWS I’m boss. He had friends that got caught with drugs. He admitted they tried to get him to do them and that he thought about it. So now, we do drug screens. I overheard him talking to those two friends and they were teasing him about his mom making him pee in a cup. He told them “Well, at least my mom loves me enough to stop me before I turned into druggie losers like you two” and he hasn’t hung out with them since. I think that pretty well sums it up.
And what will you do when he leaves your nest?
Art said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:30 am So much for innocent until proven guilty. You’re all such fine Americans
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If you are Art Harris that is calling the kettle black don’t you think.
Anyone have any thoughts on this? The PI said; “any culpability on Misty Croslin Cummings’ part might result from her **caretaking responsibility** ” he said he didn’t think Ron was involved. TC attorney says Tommy knows who did it but isn’t culpable — Tommy & Misty implicated Joe – according to Gramma — another rumor says Crystal reportedly told a friend ‘Joe killed my baby’ —
Why would the PI Brown lie? Does any of this make sense?
What will he do when he no longer has to pee in your cup?
I think everyone knows that by the time kids are around 5 yrs old they all know right from wrong. If they choose to do the wrong things, they must suffer the consequences. If Hope hadn’t learded this by the time she was 19 yrs old, she is learning it now the hard way.
This girl had the nastiest attitude when she was speaking to her mother on the phone from jail. Had I been her mother I would just have hung up the phone.
This girl was a stripper? What kind of strip clubs do they have down there? I don’t see how she could have possibly gotten a job stripping. Had to have been some pretty hard up customers visiting that club.
Art – he’ll be an adult by then and he’ll have to use what he’s been taught. He’ll try, and fail, and make mistakes like we all did. But he’ll have the basic foundation and tools to be productive, happy, healthy and well-balanced young man. What he chooses to do with that will be up to him. My job will be done. But I’ll always know I did everything I could to keep him safe and to give him EVERY chance at a bright future. Sorry if that makes me a bad parent in your eyes.
JB,Your experiece kinda sounds like mine and Tobias at a dog training course. We quit after one session. Tobias has issues with other dogs. The trainer was too agressive and Tobias actually went into defense without a command, he evidently saw him as a threat.LOL
philly said,
in April 28th, 2010 at 11:52 am
This girl was a stripper? What kind of strip clubs do they have down there? I don’t see how she could have possibly gotten a job stripping. Had to have been some pretty hard up customers visiting that club.
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Yes. It was bring your own teeth and pole night.
She had a friend who knew a guy… yada yada
Art, If you do your job right when they leave the nest they are prepared for the world and will be able to make better decisions.
Art – I’m an adult and I still pee in a cup for my job. LOL It is mandatory for all employees! LMAO
Right now my son is under my supervision. He, like all kids, deals with peer pressure. I’m just applying parent pressure to counteract the peer pressure. So far, it has worked well and he has told me more than once he is glad that I do it….because if he is tempted he just has to think about me springing a drug test on him and testing positive and not getting his license and he immediately makes the choice NOT to give into peer pressure. He’ll roll his eyes at me when I tell him it is test time but he does it with a smile.
Texasmommy – Why didn’t you put a chastity belt on your daughter?
By the way my nic is Tobias my boxers name. He is usually laying at my feet when I post.
Believe me when I say he is the defender of children.lol
While I agree with all of your posts about cleaning up the streets from the drugs, I also want to know when FL and the U.S. is going to address the SO problem. There were 44 sexual offenders living within a 5 mile radius of Haleigh. Thats scary as HELL and yet these people are free to roam and victimize our children on a daily basis. Why aren`t there mandatory sentences for these offenders because the recidivism rate has proven time and again that most can not be rehabilitated and will reoffend once out on the streets? 15 years for a 19 yr old immature, uneducated, and downright snotty child is excessive when most SOs won`t receive HALF that sentence. The SOs victims are left with a lifelong battle and yet the courts do not want to deal with the ramifications of these crimes. That`s what is shameful here. Hope will do her 15 years and an SO can walk the streets..Who would you rather deal with?
Excellent argument robin.
Art said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:59 am Texasmommy – Why didn’t you put a chastity belt on your daughter
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LOL well Art when your children reach 18 you have to let them leave the nest. You are as ignorant as you come across on NG aren’t you. Since I do not read your BS there I will BBL,because I do not want to read any more. TTY later y’all.
robin I want neither walking the streets. BBL
Robin,
To the last question that you asked, my answer would be neither.
It sounds like Texasmommy and JB are doing the job right. One child having unprotected sex and the other who will behave because mommy may make him pee in a cup. Sounds like a loving, trusting relationship.
I may be wrong but to me it doesn’t sound like you have prepared them very well at all.
I do not think Art Harris would be wasting his time posing as a bell ringer web troll.
Art is based out of Atlanta and he certainly would not say:
You’re all such fine Americans
Art, your assessment is not called for. I and many other parent are proactive and have our reasons. It is the particular points you make that are why educating our children is so important so that they may be able to ignore those that have a narrow mind and spew criticism such as the BS you have posted today. My children feel sorry for the ignorant but have no sympathy for the stupid,just as I taught them.
I have to agree Art can do math. My youngest daughter is 22 and will be 23 in the fall. She was 21 when she got pregnant.
Art said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:09 pm It sounds like Texasmommy and JB are doing the job right. One child having unprotected sex and the other who will behave because mommy may make him pee in a cup. Sounds like a loving, trusting relationship.
I may be wrong but to me it doesn’t sound like you have prepared them very well at all.
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FTLOG Art, how do you know she isn’t married? Also, I had protected sex when I was in my late teens and early 20’s, guess what I still ended up pregnant with the joy of my life. It was a blessing to say the least. I think you must have no life and just need an outlet to rant and try to make yourself feel better. Go ahead, everyone alreadys sees you as a troubled person who prolly needs to pee in a cup and most likely needs to get laid. If you weren’t such an ass you might not have to pay for it either.
What makes you guys think that is Art Harris? I could put my name as Nancy G., but are you going to believe I’m Nancy Grace?
texasmommy39 said, in April 28th, 2010 at 11:05 am
I stopped the drug testin lmao about 17 months ago when I found out the youngest was pregnant.
Question: How many tree jobs do you have to line up in order to re-pay $250,000 to the State of Florida?
Crikey! That is a walloping fine. I fell out of my chair when I read it.
For the record, this Art is not Art Harris unless he is in Connecticut right now.
Now directly to Art… We don’t allow someone to use different names in here unless you notify me of a reason you are changing it or unless you give everyone else in here the courtesy of telling them you have changed your name from one to another.
Art I am not sure what your agenda is in here but if it is to make everyone mad then it is best if you move on. I hardly think you would be qualified to tell JB and Texasmommy that they made mistakes in raising their children (OK so you didn’t say it in those words but from the way I read your comments that is how I see it)
So I am asking you now to lay off them and any other person joining us in the comment section here unless it is to discuss the subject being discussed without being rude to everyone else.
Thanks,
Jan Barrett
I don’t believe it is Art Harris….probably not even named Art…LOL….but Art can critique my parenting all he wants. Doesn’t bother me. My child isn’t mixed up in drugs like his prior friends. He discusses temptations with me and we discuss ways to combat peer pressure. He is learning for every action there is a consequence (you do drugs, you fail a drug test, no drivers license), and he is learning to make good choices albeit with a little pressure from mom. He is MY responsibility. I tell him trust is not given it is earned so he is learning that lesson as well. I won’t apologize to Art or anyone else for the decisions I have made as a parent. Each decision I’ve made has come about from some issue that I was forced to deal with. My son didn’t come with a handbook when he was born. I take it a day at a time and will do everything humanly possible to ensure my son has every opportunity for a bright future. But ultimately that will be his choice…but at least I will have done the best I can to prepare him to make a wise choice.
Does anyone know any good blogs where they talk about the Haleigh case – and actually reposnd to your post?
Shockwave, Speaking of the bombshell queen, I read the transcripts for the show last night and for once(and as I choke on it) I have to say she may have really gotten to Misty. Iam sure she realizes most dont believe her story and she is going away for a very long time.
Will she roll? Only time will tell. I believe after Tommys lawyer made those statements and Hope got 15 Misty may rethink her whole story.jmo
pezzu – sorry…been dealing with the charming character named “Art” and his relentless attacks on parenting.
But you are right pezzu…this blog is about Haleigh….not me, not Art and not our preference in parenting styles. My apologies.
Jan – thank you….it was getting a wee bit tiring. LOL So was BIG BOB and ART actually OJ perhaps? LOL
I do have to say one thing about Hope. When I saw her I thought if Haleigh had not disappeared would this be her life we are looking at down the road? Would she have ended up like Hope? This is why it needs to stop, the drugs need to be stopped. jmo
Jan I also feel sorry for both families. Especially the children that are involved. They don’t have much of chance of making something of their lives. Such a waste of our youth. Sadly these children are not alone. So many of them live in the same towns and are belong to families such as these.
I feel education and work is the key to the ticket out of these circumstances. The 4 who are still awaiting their hearings don’t fully understand what is in store for them. But I also feel like they knew what they were doing is illegal and wrong.
I am sure I will take a flogging for my view on this. So be it.
I only wish by some miracle Hay Leigh would be found and some justice for her. People know what happened and no one seems concerned about Hay Leigh. They are more interested in saving their own skin and pointing fingers at someone else. No responsibility and no remorse! JMO
No it isn’t OJ but the other name “Art” and “Big Bob” used was “Need to know”
Jan Barrett
Has anyone heard anything new today? I figure the 15 year sentence for Hope has loosened some lips somewhere. Any arrests that anyone knows about?
pezzu said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:35 pm Does anyone know any good blogs where they talk about the Haleigh case – and actually reposnd to your post?
Im with you!
Im here for Haleigh!
JB and Texasmommy! You two sound like great parents! Your kids are lucky to have caring loveing parents such as yourselves!
Jan – understood. I wasn’t being rude. I have a different point of view than some here on “parenting”.
Robin…haven’t heard anything new today unfortunately. But I’m sure some people are scrambling and having some pow wow’s with their attorneys right now! LOL
Tanya…thank you. I’ve made my share of mistakes but my son is a good kid and we have a great relationship…even if I do make him pee in a cup! LOL Nothing some bogus blogger says can take from me what my son and I have. He is my world. 😀
okie – won’t get any floggings from me! I agree completely. They haven’t learned any lessons from being in jail. They haven’t learned from past run ins with LE. They haven’t learned from mistakes that were made and the ones that CONTINUE to pay for THEIR mistakes are their children. BREAK THE CYCLE! MAKE EXAMPLES OF THEM!
I think Tommy rolled on what he knows and I have a hinky feeling it aint Joe he rolled on either. Only time will tell. I believe also the only one pointing at Joe is Misty and Chelsea. And I have to wonder why Chelsea is so vocal about the Joe story and taking Mistys side in the framing of Joe? Is it to protect someone she loves and someone she kinda loves?
Misty or Timmy/ Tommy???? We all know Chelsea doesnt give a rats you know what about Joe so he isnt in the kinda care about realm.jmo
If Joe didnt take the van only one other person did.jmo
Tobias – I’m wondering if Timmy truly failed an LDT. From the transcript from NG it sounds like Werter is saying Tommy knows WHO is responsible but doesn’t know where the body is. I’m wondering if Timmy isn’t the one being pointed at by Tommy. But Misty has never mentioned Timmy. Chelsea hasn’t done her or her husband any favors by running her mouth all these months to Art Harris and anyone else who will listen…but she could be in damage control mode protecting her hubby. WHO KNOWS. I just wish whatever the truth is…SOMEONE, ANYONE would finally tell it already!
I wonder did Cobra ever get the chance to talk with Timmy? Or did he somehow manage to avoid the Cobra? Just curious on his opinion of Timmy in all this mess. jmo
Tobias – i would be curious about Cobra and Timmy as well. Timmy has been VERY quiet throughout this whole mess. And he sure got the heck out of Dodge in a hurry. Even with his wife flapping her gums non-stop we haven’t heard a peep from him. Hmmmmmmm…..
Lindsy talking about the boots was weird too. Tommys and Timmys boots. I believe they wore them that night my hinky meter went way off the charts when I heard her talking about throwing those away. Tommys response was not what most men would say, workboots take along time to break in for comfort, most men wont get rid of the old ones until new ones have been properly broken in. I know my hubby drives truck and this is the montra(spell) for most of them.jmo
Tobias – yup, the workboots comment was strange…seemed VERY out of place in the conversation. If she was talking about cleaning out the garage and talking about different things she came across like a stroll down memory lane then perhaps I could see it…but it was out of the blue and STRANGE to say the least. I’m not sure I have a “hinky meter” LMAO…but if I did…it certainly would have gone off after that statement! LOL So where can I get one of those Hinky Meters like you have Tobias!? 😆
Its like that shake you get sometimes in your shoulders. Like a shiver, my Mom used to say someones walked over your grave feeling. jmo
I agree, tobias and JB. One thing I remember about my hubby’s work boots was that they made squeaky sounds on the floors that werent carpet. As in SQUEAKY SHOES??? JMO but I thought the whole work boot disposal topic was hinky also
I also wondered with all the media how he managed to never show up on one video. He definitly had to make an effort not to. Even Joe couldnt avoid one picture being taken hanging posters.jmo
Tobias – when was Hank in the accident and when did Timmy/Chelsea receive the call that he had been in the accident? Was Timmy and Hank in the accident together? Or were these seperate accidents?
HollysGmom said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:43 am OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:21 am
Maybe you should rewatch that tape OJ…SHe gets OUT of the car, goes inside a dwelling with Misty, buys pills from HOPE’S contact, they both get back in the car, Hope hands Misty the pills, Misty hands one up from to Ron which he slips between his lips….
YEa, I know that video well…
thank you I have been asking that question and also you might be able to answer this question was Ron seen doing any of the transactions?
JB, Timmy and Chelsea didn’t move out of town until July, that’s hardly getting out of dodge in a hurry.
JB – to answer your last question. Yes, I remember him handling the brown bag and counting.
Sorry, I was answering dpierce’s question.
DramaQueen…I’m sure it took time for the welfare recipients to come up with the funds TO move….but they couldn’t wait to get to Mass. because the welfare benefits are SO much better there. It just seems a wee bit strange that they left to get away from the case and to “protect their children” but Chelsea has kept running her mouth about the case and bringing her kids back to HELL, aka Satsuma, to visit the mess they left to supposedly get away from. Then Timmy turns over his tax return check for snacks and phone calls for his siblings behind bars….so VERY kind of him. Sounds more like hush money to me. But hey, we’re just taking a look at ALL these folks and trying to piece together what we can.
JB, Thats another thing HGMand I both have scoured the newspapers for accident reports and havent found a thing. I know it was said to of happened on the way to Gainesville, Hank was hit by a drunk driver without insurance, the guy is in jail, never heard mention from Hank about Timmy being involved but Chelsea says he was. It happened Friday night ,Hank was taken to Shands, He was driving Chelsea and Timmys car, thats why they had the van.jmo
Shock…not to mention Ron was talking about the percocets he could get…about the guy he knows that gets 100 a month but would only give him 50….was trying to get the UC to commit to buying those…also Ron noticed the UC sniffling and wanted to know if he had any other drugs because he likes to snort/get high…kept after the UC to see if he had something he wanted to share with Ron…PATHETIC!
Tobias – it is difficult to say what Misty will do. Hopefully she will listen to her lawyer better. She’s gonna need it as far as I can tell. Obviously they know something. (TC and MC), and if it was just about not telling the truth, then they would have come out with it by now. I really feel that if MC or TC were not guilty in some way that we would already know what the truth is. Instead of all of the secrecy. I don’t think Hope knows anything. She’s obviously just a drug connection.
If I had the guys name I could find a accident report. None showing up for Hank or Timmy. jmo
Tobias – thank you…so Timmy didn’t go to the hospital? Or he went and was released. I don’t see any of these folks passing on the chance to get drugs legal like! LOL And Chelsea said he had taken pain pills and went to be early. But to me it seems these people don’t take pain pills and go to bed….they get high and do stupid stuff while on the pills. If he had pain pills in the house, did Joe take some? That would be awfully tempting! Maybe he and Tommy scored some pills from Timmy…got high on them then went to Ron’s MH. I still want to know why LE was at Tommy’s house that night! I keep trying to piece together a timeline for all these people but DANG, seems like all of them were in the middle of some drama of one kind or another that night!
In the one video where Misty says its 190 and Ron corrects her and says its really 189 Ron gives the UC the pills and Misty takes the money.jmo
The videos are pretty cut and dry…they were all invovled in one way or another…knew EXACTLY what was going on and should be held responsible. And it certainly didn’t look like their first rodeo either! Ron talking about the guy with the percocets…he said “he gets them every month”…to me that sounds like Ron has known this guy for quite some time and has been getting pills from him for at least “months” per that conversation. They had plenty of contacts and connections for the pills. That didn’t happen overnight. And Hank was probably trying to help out the “family business” with his Dr. Shopping. Get some more pills for the kids to sell! Lisa was probably stealing checks (and purses) to fund the trips to the doctor or to buy drugs….they kept it all in the family…the redneck version of the mafia. LMAO “THE GODFATHER…starring MAGIC MAN HANK!” ROFLMAO
tobias said,in April 28th, 2010 at 2:05 pm In the one video where Misty says its 190 and Ron corrects her and says its really 189 Ron gives the UC the pills and Misty takes the money.jmo
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the undercover ENTRAPPED misty! she was set up like a bowling pin by LE!
Misty is INNOCENT!!!
If thats innocent I would hate to see guilty.
Also lets not forget thee are parts redacted that the judge can see and hear that we havent. jmo
I thought it was eye opening that Hank is worried about going to court the same day as the rest of them. He knows he is in real trouble too. Keeps wiping his face when he is talking about it.jmo
Who are you OJ? You seem to constantly be on an attack of the police, the lawyers and most other bloggers.I truly do not see why you are on this blog at all. It is exhausting reading your posts which are the same thing over and over!
I don’t attack other bloggers..stop lying!
ignore me if I annoy you…
see how easy that was?
interested – ROFLMAO….welcome to the wonderful world of OJ…reading his posts are like the movie “Groundhog Day”…same thing day after day after day. I’ve tried to get him to show us some insight into his way of thinking or even get involved in the actual discussions….but it never happens. But he does actually make me laugh sometimes….and he is as much of a part of this little BNN family as anyone else including me…..he’s just probably more like that strange uncle that no one wants to discuss. LOL JUST KIDDING OJ. WE LOVE YA! NOT SURE WHY! BUT WE LOVE YA! 😀
Tobias…well, if Hank was sweating bullets before, he is now after seeing Hope get 15 years. I think they are all sweating right now. I hope so anyway.
**wasn’t** not was…
The sentance given to hope sykes is stupid and way off the mark.
Look at it this way,she was sat in the back of a car when someone exchanged a parcel. Thats all it was she never touched anything. Ask for being charged with trafficking drug thats a laugh. When you hear of trafficking you think of things being taken from country to country across the boarders. That can only meen that the usa class different states and areas as other countrys,which is also stupid.
The drugs mentioned were not class a like heroin,crack,or meth which are illegal but perscription drugs which are class c and legal,but hey what do you know they bang up the poor girl for fifteen years. I feel its been done to try and have a impact on the others and because the cops think the mentioned folk are guilty of something which the cops have no proof on,Haleighs disapperance and involvment of certain people is what the cops want to get them and charge them for,but since they cant do that the drug charges will have to do. As long as they have them under lock and key it will keep the general public and nancy grace happy,all the time hoping they will crack. If they havent done anything or are not involved with Haleigh going missing how can they crack
OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
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the undercover ENTRAPPED misty! she was set up like a bowling pin by LE!
Misty is INNOCENT!!!
OJ — if an undercover person befriended me there is no way they could ‘set me up’ – I don’t know any drug dealers, don’t take them and wouldn’t know how to find one.. Unless they gave her directions to the dealers house I don’t know how she could have been *set up*
Good point Pezzu
carolants…well, sorry but I disagree. Narcotics are just as dangerous as heroin, crack or meth. Hope had just been charged with drug possession two weeks prior, has a history of crimes such as shoplifting and drug charges…had been working as a stripper….her life wasn’t exactly going down the path of a better life. She had NOT learned from any prior run ins with the law. She spit in the face of the legal system with her F Bomb rant. She knew good and well what was going on and was a part of it. The law is the law. Just like if I and 4 other people went into a bank to rob it….one of the other 4 people shoots someone and they die, I can and will be charged with murder. I didn’t pull the trigger but I was involved and will be held responsible. We have discussed the laws here many times and have dug up all the actual laws pertaining to drug trafficking and Hope fits that charge perfectly. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
Drug trafficking as a legal term does NOT mean just carrying drugs across a border or state line….it means the transfer of drugs by sale or purchase. We’ve all watched too much TV and seen too many movies so we think of planes flying from Columbia with a buttload of cocaine as being “drug trafficking”. However, the law sees it quite differently. And rightfully so. These “legal” pills are ruining and taking lives and the people “dealing” them need to be off the streets.
Yeah, I didn’t see anyone holding a gun to anyone’s head saying “SELL ME SOME DRUGS”. Ron was even trying to get the UC to buy some Percocets that Ron could get his hands on. They did what they did on their own free will. I don’t think the UC was the only person they sold to and they obviously had connections to get the drugs. If they hadn’t sold to the UC, they might have been selling to someone’s kid…who might OD and die. I’m GLAD they sold to the UC and NOT YOUR CHILD! OR MY CHILD! Now they are off the street! THANK GAWD!
The police should be doing whatever it takes to find Haleigh.
Carrie..what I find amazing is how many people were fussing about how LE wasn’t doing anything about all these druggies BEFORE the UC bust. Everyone was complaining about all the drug use, the crime, etc., and how LE was corrupt for letting it all go on under their noses. And THEN when they take these losers down in an UC sting you’ve got people screaming about how they were set up, how they are being railroaded, that the only reason they are in jail is because of Haleigh, blah, blah, blah. There is always going to be someone unhappy. Personally I applaud LE for getting these druggies off the street before another child went missing!
Its been too long,do whatever it takes is what I say.
Shockwave said,in April 28th, 2010 at 7:41 am
Hello…did you even listen to the same radio show that I did? Are you not familiar with the case of Shaniya Davis? As far as Jr…yes, the whole world heard him say that he saw a man dressed in black. Then, did you hear the part where Crystal said she is not going to ask him questions? No, Jr. would NOT have been tested for drugs initially, because it was several months before the drug issue came into question, and testing children for drugs when at first you think it is a stranger abduction is not standard procedure. I am so tired of having to defend my comments which are based on facts to people like you who are only partially paying attention and biased towards CS. FO!
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LE would have accessed Ron’s record the day Haleigh went missing….not months later.
You seem to admit JR talked to the world on Geraldo, then you say Crystal wouldn’t let him talk….lol. She DID have him talk.
I pay attention….do you? Frankly your post makes little sense to me.
I form my own opinions based on the facts….not based on “theories” put forward by people who have never even met any of the people involved. Re the radio show, I trust TJ, but unlike you I question newcomers with their silly theories.
carolants – because if they haven’t “cracked” then they have something to hide. I think LE has evidence they are holding on to. If you have someone you want to charge for murder you would rather have an admission of guilt, because it’s cut and dry. No questions asked…you have the person who committed the crime. Instead of this crap they are going through with Casey Anthony. Yeah, they know it’s her, but the “Dream Team” attorneys are not stupid, and they want to win this regardless if it puts a murderer back on the streets. IMO
Just think if they locked up every person who was involved in selling or buying drugs for 15-20 years, and made them do at least 85% of that time – as they have Ronalds cousin – think of the dent they could put in the drug war.
ME – please don’t start in with your holier than thou crap. It can be so DANG peaceful here until that crapola starts. And no ones theory is silly…whether they are a newcomer or an old timer. Come down off your high horse or ride like the wind…matters not to me….but don’t start a bunch of crap…for once….just STOP.
Totally agree JB. I started to feel sorry for Hope but then I saw a picture of Haleigh.
Carrie…I saw the pics of Hope in court and it really did tug at my heart to see her cry and her family cry…but DANG, how many chances do you give a person to get their act together? Her F-Bomb rant did it for me. That told me right there that she doesn’t take responsibility for her actions, that she has learned NOTHING from past arrests, and that she would be out doing the same crap tomorrow if they let her out of jail. And meanwhile, the offspring of these losers end up missing, dead, abused, neglected, subjected to who knows what….time to break the cycle!
As far as this “they were set-up” garbage, it is no different than a UC posing as a prostitute and arresting the “John’s” that come a callin’. If they weren’t soliciting for a prostitute, they wouldn’t be in trouble. If Ron, Misty and company weren’t out selling drugs, they wouldn’t be in trouble. They CHOSE to sell the drugs and were quite happy to do it (while skimming some pills off the top for themselves – LMAO). LOSERS!
Guys, Nancy mentioned the family going nuts in court and even going after one of the cameras…
So, I have looked everywhere, but I don’t see any pics or videos from her court hearing, am I missing something, because Nancy seemed to use the older pics from her first hearing and I would like to see the entire raw footage of her hearing if it is available. Does anyone know, or could it be requested from someone and put online?
Thanks!
Crystal – “When I see him [Haleigh’s brother], all he said is, ‘I want to find my sissy,’ and he said something about somebody in black took her. He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn’t question him, I’m not going to question him.”
Me – this is the statement I am referring to. Yes, Jr. said he saw a man in black. CS says she didn’t question him, and she’s not going to. What I am talking about is questioning him further, not the questions Rivera asked him. Not questions about people dressed in black. The question – did you hear Haleigh screaming? Did Misty cover you with the blanket the night Haleigh went missing? To prove whether or not Mrs. Hollar’s latest statements are true or not. I do not assume RC was sexually assaulting his daughter. It is just one of the many theories. Why is Haleigh dead? Why does Misty seem to be involved in it? Why does Tommy? Why isn’t RC more angry with MC? When speaking to Cobra…why didn’t RC say Haleigh’s name instead of calling her “my daughter?” Is it like the guest on the podcast said, because RC may have been sexually assaulting his daughter and this is a consistent language with sexual offenders. No, I don’t know RC, or any of them. I do not know if RC was doing anything like that, but I do know RC has exhibited some peculiar behavior. They all have.
Chromedaffodils said,in April 28th, 2010 at 3:26 pm …. good question….I read that on NG’s transcripts…but all I’ve seen are pictures from the sentencing and NONE of them show the family doing anything but crying. I had almost forgotten I read that on NG until you brought it up. I don’t think as many media types were at Hope’s sentencing but surely someone got it on tape…who is the big question. If it is out there, I bet there are some folks on here that can find it. We’ve got some pretty sleuthy characters here!
Chrome…the only pics I saw of Hope’s sentencing were on Jacksonville . com… You’ll have to take out the spaces. Surely they’ve still got it posted. There were 10 pictures. Some of her, some of Ron and some of her family. No video that I saw anyway.
http:// jacksonville.com /news /crime /2010-04-27 /story /cousin-haleigh-cummings-father-sentenced-15-years-drug-trafficking
Chrome…just take out the spaces…photos only…no vid
JB said,in April 28th, 2010 at 2:46 pm carolants…well, sorry but I disagree. Narcotics are just as dangerous as heroin, crack or meth.
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Alcohol is the most dangerous drug of them all. Kills more people than all other drugs combined. Kids falling off balconies at parties drunk, getting into cars with drunk drivers etc. Where I live 70% of street crime is being caused by alcohol. What a hypocritical society we live in.
Hopefully, the sentence that Hope received will rattle a few cages. (pardon the pun)
Why does our judicial system continue to give sex offenders lighter sentences?
Possibly, someone might recall Ronald’s arrest record. If my memory serves me correctly Ronald has quite an extensive criminal history and mostly drug related. Compounded with charges of assault. I don’t think that he has served any jail time on the previous offenses. Or did the charges get dropped?
So many scenario’s as to Haleigh’s disappearance. One lie after another. My ears bleed every time Flora Hollars opens her mouth. She can’t even keep her stories straight. I would cut her microphone and quick. In my opinion, she is seeking reward money pertaining to Haleigh Cummings.
Will we ever know the demise of, “Our Beloved Angel, Haleigh?” Possibly, we can embrace that she is safe in Heaven, finally protected.
IMO
Deb
Two weeks and Ron, Tommy and Hank are due in court. Not long for someone to talk and get a deal? Will Misty wait until she sees what they get or is she crumbling now? Sure wished she would tell the truth because I find the Joe story to be a frame up. jmo
pezzu said,in April 28th, 2010 at 3:12 pm Just think if they locked up every person who was involved in selling or buying drugs for 15-20 years, and made them do at least 85% of that time – as they have Ronalds cousin – think of the dent they could put in the drug war.
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The statistics say otherwise. The drug war has been fought for decades now and the problem only gets worse.
Addicts won’t go away. We will always have addicts.
And even if you get rid of the illegal drugs, the most dangerous drug, alcohol, is still legal and will continue to kill children.
This is the first time i have posted anything here. You folks are so smart and know so much about the law. I am wondering how Hope would ever be ever to pay the huge $250,000 fine while is prison? I don’t see how she or anyone else could pay that much ever. Thank You so much lets keep our fingers crossed this case will be solved soon.
JB said,in April 28th, 2010 at 3:13 pm ME – please don’t start in with your holier than thou crap. It can be so DANG peaceful here until that crapola starts. And no ones theory is silly…whether they are a newcomer or an old timer. Come down off your high horse or ride like the wind…matters not to me….but don’t start a bunch of crap…for once….just STOP.
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When did people start talking that way here? And if anyone is spewing “holier than thou crap” it is you. You obviously have no experience or education in this field and form your views through the mainstream media rather than the facts, which are freely available.
I don’t know when you started insulting people with words like “crap”, but I find it most unpleasant and hope it stops. Not everyone enjoys your posts either.
Alcohol is the most dangerous drug of them all. Kills more people than all other drugs combined. Kids falling off balconies at parties drunk, getting into cars with drunk drivers etc. Where I live 70% of street crime is being caused by alcohol. What a hypocritical society we live in.
amen to that, me!
ME – sometimes I think you disagree just to disagree. You go through ALL the posts, copy and paste and contradict and argue with everything anyone says….I think you like the sound of your own…well…typing….sheesh. Ignore me…I’ll ignore you. And don’t you dare tell me what my education level or experience level is about ANYTHING. You don’t know me or what degrees I hold. See what I mean about your holier than thou mentality. You are nasty to everyone. You come in the room and immediately the mood changes (for the worst). Hope that makes you feel REAL special. UGH!
Anyone seen the Hope court footage in it’s entirety? If so… please direct me to it. TIA
JB,
I can’t comment on your education level but you can say I post “holier than thou crap”? GMAB and get yourself some manners.
And I’m not nasty to everyone…lol…wasn’t even nasty to you….but once you accused me of “crap” you had to expect a response.
BTW, to those of use that are educated in the field, it’s blatantly obvious that you aren’t.
b*a – someone else was looking for it earlier. I looked but never found it….only thing I found were still shots. Sorry.
Thanks JB!
Yeah ME, I know…you are the great and powerful OZ, (forgive me if I don’t bow in your presence or bring you a witches broom as I figure you’ve got plenty of your own) now go back behind the curtain and stop posting to me.
JB~Try not to take the bait about your parenting skills. Your back and forth bantering with trolls puts a smile on their old and warty faces.
Deb
b*a…I looked everywhere I could think of….everyone has still shots but no video. We were talking about on NG’s transcripts that she said the family went nuts after the hearing, went after one of the cameras…but NO ONE has shown video or even still shots of that. Could just be more of NG’s sensationalism. We were just trying to verify whether it occurred or not. No proof found thus far.
JB,
I never posted to you. But you saw fit to attack me and accuse me of “crap”. As I said, get yourself some manners and stop posting to me.
Deborah…LOL…I know, I know…so many trolls, so little time….but you put a smile on MY face thinking about them being all warty! LOL
Wonder what relationship she had with the guy in the pictures? The Horace Gibbs? Seems the camera guy knew the guys name.jmo
Tobias…I saw that…I looked at the info under the pic but they state they have no idea of his relationship to her. Maybe he’s one of the customers of the strip joint! LOL
The facts aren’t readily available. If the facts were available the case would be solved.
Deborah,
The facts about drugs are available…and if you take the time to look at them, you will see that alcohol kills more people than all illegal drugs combined.
I am sorry for my post stating that is we had the facts the case would be solved. Unfortunately, fact from fiction is very difficult in this situation.
Again, sorry for posting before thinking.
Deb
Deborah – careful…you’ll unleash the wrath of the great and powerful OZ upon yourself. Run Deborah, RUN! LOL
My post are making absolutely no sense. My grammar, blah, blah blah…..
Anyway, I have overhauled my bad ass witches broom and I run from nothing, I just haul ass when I fly…
I guess if Ron and Misty were making moonshine we’d be talking about alcohol but they were arrested for selling drugs so we are talking about drugs. My grandparents were alcoholics. My grandfather died from falling down some stairs while drunk. My grandmother died from multiple organ failure due to alcohol. I’m well aware of the pitfalls, painful deaths and statitics related to alcohol. But they don’t really relate to this case so I haven’t been discussing them. I instead, am discussing the FACTS of THIS case as we know them which involves DRUG use.
Deborah..ROFLMAO! You know, I’m thinkin’ you can take care of yourself! LOL
And don’t worry…many times our fingers either don’t keep up with what we’re thinking or they get ahead of us! No biggie…we all can generally figure out what the other one is TRYING to say! LOL 😆
ME~ I apologize, I misread and thought you were talking about knowing the facts to solve this case….So sorry…I am going outside and work in my flower garden.
You are correct with your facts pertaining to alcohol. If I am wrong, I will always make my apologies and move forward. Always, eager to learn. Thanks again for correcting me.
Deb
Bye Deb….enjoy your work in the garden. Sounds like a good plan to me. I’m out of here myself. Take care all.
I have bookmarked and plan to return. In all sincerity, take a moment to share your smile today.
pezzu said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:35 pm Does anyone know any good blogs where they talk about the Haleigh case – and actually reposnd to your post?
Yes several. I must say though that Simon has been the only source for Haleigh news since Haleigh went missing. He never gave up as other’s did. Keeps Haleigh’s name out there regardless. There may not be much blogging-chatting, but Simon & Jan are here every Sunday with some kind of update.
Thank you so much Simon & Jan!
Google 2010.04.27 Hope Sykes sentenced to 15 years on drug trafficking charge
Or just Haleigh Cummings and you will find several…but be very careful. I have only found 3 places that I will chat/blog in due to the pop up’s (scaredmonkey?), bashing and name calling.
JB said,in April 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm Deborah – careful…you’ll unleash the wrath of the great and powerful OZ upon yourself. Run Deborah, RUN! LOL
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Goodness JB. Get a grip.
madj,
This place used to be pretty much free of name calling…but it’s changing…JB’s been on a role calling me names today. I’ve been accused of saying “cra;”, called a witch, had JB warning people about my wrath etc. Not as pleasant here as it used to be.
JB – unlike “me”, I think you are pretty intelligent, and I agree with a lot of what you say. I don’t know why she tries to pick so many fights. We are all here because we care about how other people treat their children. If you don’t agree with someone you don’t have to be so nasty. There is a pleasant way of speaking how you feel.
I agree that Hope should be punished for her crimes…but IMO she should not go to prison for 15 yrs. She needs drug rehab. What will happen when she gets out? She will be worst off IMO. In prison inmates find ways of getting drugs… So, I don’t see her cleaning up or talking about the Haleigh case. Esp if she doesn’t know much.
I really would like to know why Ronald never recieved that type of sentance? He has so many priors and charges and most were either droped or he got a slap on the wrist. Yet this 19 yr old stupid dope head gets sent to prison.
Look at Ron’s priors
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Why did Hope get such a high sentence, yet a RSO or killer will serve 3 -5 years or even probation!!! We have a huge problem in America…our families are in danger….there are way to many … RSO out on the street free!
I understand that drugs are a huge problem as well, but what would you rather have next door. A pill poper or a killer or a RSO? I would rather have a pill poper…I taught my kids not to be followers. I have 4..ages 26 yrs, 23 yrs, 22 yrs, and 4 1/2 years and thank God they never took that way of life!
IMO, the courts are using poor judgment on how they sentence these young adults drug addicts, putting them in jail taking up a cell that could be used for a real criminal!
Makes no sense to me!
What is America doing to keep these sick monsters off the streets so that they don’t hurt another child/adult?
Not a dam thing!
I have asked several people why Hope received such a high sentence and was explained the charges a bit.
From what I understood hope was charged with more than 14 grams but less than 28 grams. Mandatory minimum is 15 years in prison.
So, I wonder, has everyone that has been charged in FL with more than 14 grams but less than 28 grams. Received a Mandatory minimum of 15 years prison sentance?
If not why? And why did Hope?
Look at all of Ronald Cummings charges, he got a slap on the wrist and didn’t serve much jail time and was even allowed to keep Haleigh and Jr.
If the law is going to put a 19 yr old away for drug charges, why didn’t they do the same with Ronald Cummings? The father to missing Haleigh Cummings? The man that didn’t call 911, made his girl friend call and then hung up on them because he had better people to call. Then married the girl friend who was the last person to see Haleigh on Feb 9th, 2009.
Can someone explain why he still had custody of his children with all his priors? Maybe Haleigh would still be alive if DCF would of taken all the reports serious and taken the children from his care. But they did nothing!
Now Haleigh is missing and LE feels she is no longer alive!
LE never searched the St.John’s river, even after Ron mentions that maybe that is where Haleigh would be found!
So many questions…I sure wish someone would report more about what really happen the week and months before Haleigh went missing and what type of life she was living…
Prayers for Haleigh…Let the truth be known!
I don’t post very often because of certain people that comes on here & jumps on people if they don’t have their opinion. Me, I seen your post on another blog.You said you were from another country and called that person ignorant too.Everyone has a right to post but I don’t see why you would call anyone ignorant & uneducated. I always thought J.B. was a very tolerant & patient person but everyone blows up sometimes.I don’t see much to defend with these drugies.All I care about are Haleigh & all the kids in this mess.
me: I agree with you! a certain someone thinks they own this subject and these threads..well they DO NOT!! and the name calling was despicable!
Grandma of 5,
Nice try but I don’t post on other blogs.
OJ’s,
Thank you. I don’t know what’s gotten into some of the posters here.
Grandma,
Are you one of those cyber stalkers?
Grandma,
I sure hope you don’t give your grandkids grammar lessons.
From your post…
“I seen your post on another blog.”
LOL
Haleigh Family Sentencing
Hope Sykes Sentenced
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=37628
i am sure you all already saw these two clips. i did not see the whole video of the sentencing. i thought maybe the new agencies decided to hold back since the family was so upset???
Seriously, are you guys still bickering? I haven’t even been here for a few days, but it’s still the same fussing going on.
Doesn’t look like I missed anything. What happened to this blog? There are some great people here. I know this because I’ve been reading here for quite some time and have been made to feel very welcome.
Come on, remember, it’s about finding justice for Haleigh. I know everyone’s emotional because it’s been such a long time, but we all want the same thing, right?
I hope to come back later.
You kids stop fussing , okay?
Rehab only works if you want to be rehabed. Its like taking a horse to water and trying to make him drink. Why do you think she was so gung ho about probation and rehab? Why do you think people are constantly in and out of rehab? you have to want to quit. jmo
I saw pictures and a bit of video of Hope Sykes and family when she was sentenced. It can be found on the Radionewz blog.
Iwould be curious since it was brought up about someone being from another country. What would other countrys (like Canada, Europe, Asia, Mexico or South America) do to drug dealers thats different from the US? Are we harder or softer in convicting drug traffickers? Just curious what others think. jmo
TY Karon.
Karon, all I see are photos no video?
MADJGNLAW, to answer your question …. the reason is that it was not just possession as before but trafficking… which took a month of taxpayer undercover work. LE never bothered to do undercover work on these ppl before until they brought foolish mass media attention to it. You’d think after a little girl goes missing and the media surrounding them that they’d stop selling to any ‘ol Joe off the street at the least. Before they were only caught with it but not in the act of dealing it. They were looked upon as end-user /buyers in possession but not as the trafficker. It works that way so that the users dont get treated as the one doing the tempting. They are the Temptee. The tempter who ‘supplies’ the ppl with the moral decay are the ones who get the blunt of the prosecution always… I think she got what she deserved… on that note though i think mandatory sentences of 15 years is steep. I’m not sure how much 14 grams in ‘pills’ is/are but it does seem excessive.. it seems like a guy with 10 bottles worth would get 15 and the lesser middleman ,5 or something. She probably was given the plea bargain to give up info on her supplier but chose not to ( maybe her bf ). I do think alot of girls ( in drug/stripper prostitute situations) are used this way by (more knowledgable/sly/pimp type) men who tell them they’ll be fine so not to ‘say a word’ not realizing they could take 10 years off their sentence just for their valuable info. Maybe out of fear of retaliation ,who knows. It seems like there should be an allowable limit with less mandatory time …but on the other hand the pimps/or dealers know the rules and will only supply the ‘carrier’ with the limit… ever notice in the vid how ‘the bunch’ talks about being one short and making clear mention of it.!Was this so they wouldn’t fall into the next category of poseesion or trafficking. I think ppl like Ron and the guy in the house know the ‘limits’ and make sure to stay under those limits at each dealing. I don’t necessarily beleive Ron was in on any undercover help work with the police but something ‘seems’ apparent there. just not sure what. Take a re-look once to see what I mean with that in mind. Also, isn’t Dbrock the same lady that setup misty last time with TES? If anyone can answer that question. pls do ? Is it possible they were setup by Ron or this lady but rather than be caught with an ‘over the limit’ amount, they allowed the person in the house to sell just under the next limit? They ramble about the amount the guy has. Otherwise why wouldn’t the homeowner be charged with something? or have they? or were they too far from the house to know which one. It’s possible they had a dealers protocol about sitting around the corner but I doubt it. Ron also asks how far they have to go as if he didn’t have any clue where it was. Is it bcz he really had no clue and wanted to get which address it was or did he know the protocol? Leave that up to you after watching it but somethings amiss here, IMO. .. not sure why i posted this but thought i’d offer up a different perspective. Take a Look !
We are more lenient on traffickers here than other countries.
Getting back to the Hatfield and the McCoys down there in Florida, has anybody ever considered that maybe somebody is protecting Ron and maybe that’s why it took so long for Tommy to talk? Tommy would be the weak link, remember ‘ratgate’? They knew that. I still think that dear old mom, Teresa, is up to her eye balls in this. It took her less than 5 minutes to get to Ron’s that night and she lived 15 miles away. Her words not mine. Via YouTube on GretaWire. I think 15-25 yrs in prison for trafficking isn’t enough time for any of that bunch if that’s the best LE can do for little HaLeigh. They all of some knowledge of what happened to that little girl. IMO!!!!!
…meaning i think she got what she deserved by getting that MANDATORY sentence… but not agreeing that the mandatory TIME for that amount is right… thats what I meant.
It was Hope’s connection that got her hung up. She set that deal up for Ron and Misty and of course their new found undercover buddy.
Donna Brock was along for the road trip. Stupid on her part.
I dont think Ron would have set Hope up to take a 15 yr. fall just to get Misty in jail. Rons involvement was just that to sell drugs and make money. Also to use drugs. Good thing he didnt have that gun or he would have been looking at another charge too. I just saw its a another big charge if you carry a gun while you are trafficking. I guess thats why the UC asked him about it. jmo
Tobias:
I went back to radionewz blog, and I can only find a picture of Hope crying after she was sentenced. This is odd. They always leave them up much longer. I can’t find all of the pictures and the video I saw last night. That is the way things happen in this case. They are there and then they are not. I don’t know what happened. I will keep looking. There were 10 pictures and a short video. LE may have thought these pictures would have a bad effect on their cases.
stillucy, i dont think hope does know about Haleigh, I think she was only involved in drugs apart from that whole episode ; but she is a B@#$h so i don’t feel sorry for her, bcz even with fifteen she wont serve it all…
Someone here mentioned that there’s NO parole in Fl but then said 85% minimum, so that would be PAROLE. I think what they meant was that they don’t have a parole schedule other than serving 85% first. I don’t know Florida law so I could be wrong but I don’t necessarily beleive they have no other parole schedule than at 85% minimum time done. I think overcrowding might be an exception and since those on good behavior are usually the ones let out early then i think a g.e.d would be enough to get her out earlier. The 85 % mimum probably applies only to high felonies like murderes or rapists, although that should be 100 percent. I dont see how half a bottles worth of pills could not be Paroled early. JMO. and I don’t know FLA law!
Iwonder what Katrina thought was going on when she was waiting for Misty to come back to the car, then Misty goes to collect her purse to put the drugs in and Katrina still waits until the bust goes down then she high tails it?
Bet shes thanking her lucky stars that Misty didnt get in her car before the bust went down or she would be serving time too. Think it over,Katrina knew she had to of known. jmo
Something 7 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 7:34 pm…meaning i think she got what she deserved by getting that MANDATORY sentence… but not agreeing that the mandatory TIME for that amount is right… thats what I meant.
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hellooo something 7,
i agree with your statement. i might add taking into consideration her age and that she is not an old hardened dangerous for years criminal. she is a messed up teen. i really like what someone earlier was talking about requiring certain accomplishment to get out. like a ged, and work etc.
Everyone in Fla. knows its one of the toughest on drugs it is 85% she will do the 12 years. Google it. jmo
tobias, I don’t think so either, but just another perspective to look at. I always like to consider the possibilities…. whats your take on dbrock.. is she the one that was searching with TES at one point? just seems odd that this much older woman is somehow involved with these young kids. Whats her connection exactly?…
… BTW, i mean young adults so that they can be prosecuted to the fullest. and 18 is legal adult. or is it 21 in FL? whats the drinking age at DAYTONA ? can go to war at 18. So many conflictinmg state laws on when a person becomes adult enough to engage in some things !
This is uncharitable of me but when I look at Hope Sykes, I think of Linda Blair in “The Exorcist,” when she is possessed, and spewing garbage from her mouth, on the bed, during an exorcism. I know that comment could put me on the express train to hell!
It seems that Art Harris/the Bald Truth is a sensitive issue with many of the Bloggernewser’s, but other than a misguided writer named Frieda, whose nonsensical letters can be skipped over entirely, almost everything that is discussed is about Haleigh and the assorted players, mixed in with personal observations and hard lessons learned. There is very little name calling. Much more civil.
There is no reason we can’t have fans on both sites. There is much to be learned from each one.
I see lots of new comments from people who normally write here, on Art’s site now. I’ve been reading/commenting on Art’s site for over a year (under another moniker) and I think the reason why so many of you are switching over is because you are tired of the baiting, the bullying and rampant name calling.
I will continue to read both sites, as most of the posters are really here for Haleigh.
Oh Texas Mommy, I am so, so sorry about your daughter. Tis more than the heart can bear.
Grandma of 5 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
well said granma of 5!
there is room for all opinions. it is great when we manage to be respectful of our different points of views as well as when we agree. i think i need to read my posts 3x before i hit post my comment. i am trying to do that now.
great i talk about triple checking my comments and as i push post my comment, i see i misspelled grandma. errr! sorry, i meant grandma of 5!
This 19 year old was busted just 2 weeks before she was trafficking with the others. She also had priors. She had chances to straighten up but kept going till she ended up where she is. And evidently her cousin Ron didnt give a crap if she got caught he probably got her involved.
Donna was in it to gain money and Mistys favor,Donna was still trying to get the info out of Misty so she could gain fame for solvingthe case. She hung herself. jmo
I’m looking for a video of Crystal and Marie on WTEV way back in February of ’09, the one where Crystal takes forever to answer the question, “What do you think happened to your daughter?” and she takes forever to answer.
If you know the clip I am talking about, anyone have a link? TIA!
@me This just proves how nasty you can be.All you do to people who disagree with you is call them names to try to deflect away from what you do.That way you don’t have to admit what you do.Yes,you do go to others and are nasty to them.About my grandchildren,I will say this one time.I have 2 in college,1 that is getting ready to go.She is at top of her class & has been accepted to 4 top colleges,The other 2 are still in elementary & H.S.They are smart & work hard.They have all been raised in church & have manners.Some people doesn’t have any. Now don’t bring them up again.I read on here all the time. I don’t post much because of people like you.Now YOU stay in your corner & I will stay in mine.I am done with you.
Tobias, reason i question the 85% minimum is bcz i was with someone who got put in jail there. I left and went back to my state. That person then was Paroled a year later… so… are you saying Parole is only disallowed in drug cases or at a certain level of felony crime… bcz this was a felony i’m talking about… it happened 15 years ago so maybe the laws have changed. I guess I just don’t understand at what level or crime the 85% mimimum parole kicks in. Again it was 15 years ago. and no I was not charged myself, in case anyones wondering. I had nothing to do with the crime. I was only the one who drove us to Daytona. LOL, the good ‘ol bad days.
Those sentenced to prison in Florida who committed their crimes on or after October 1, 1995 will serve a minimum of 85% of their sentences. This applies to all inmates, regardless of the type of crime they committed.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/doing/index.html
OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 10:54 am she was way way overcharged..her so called lawyer did zilch for her
way overcharged,I pray you aren’t talking about C/A?
OJ,If you were referring to c/a please explain what Caylee did to deserve the death penalty?
She’s the one who was overcharged!
Hi cathy Sorry you always come by when I am getting ready to go to bed.lol
have I ever talked about her??
obviously I’m talking about hope..sheeesh
Hope should have listened on Jan. 3 when she was caught wih drugs and stayed out of trouble.
Ron should have been a better cousin too. jmo
Talk to you later Cathy I have to get up early for work .
ms peridot I have been reading your posts for quite a while now.You are one of my favotites.Don’t worry about your spelling with me.I don’t let petty things like that bother me. Thanks for your kind words.
Did not mean to upset you,I always defend Caylee,my apologies!! Honest Oj,It was the post before it i thought you replied too,lol TG then!
lol Tobias..gnite
And i did say,,,were you?? not you did,lol
If Ron cared one bit about Hope he would have told her to stay at home until she dealt with her problems. He knew she was already in trouble for drugs 2 weeks before she hooked up with him and Misty. If anyone should feel bad about Hope it is Ron. jmo
Many are talking about the youth and their abuse of Rx drugs etc. From what I have seen in my limited social life, there are women in their 40’s & 50’s popping oxi’s, a therapist in her 70’s, and a doctor in his late 40’s who died of what i would bet my shirt was an OD from cocaine.
If you go to an ER with pain and tell them you don’t like pain killers and would prefer an alternative answer to your problem they will look shocked and say well then I’ll write you an Rx. for Motrin. People are beginning to request unnecessary surgeries, making up back pain and teeth pain and it’s surely not only the youth. I have serious doubt that lengthy prison terms for petty dealers are going to eliminate this massive problem, when doctors and hospitals are doling out these pills like water.
Amen Mary,When i lived in ky,this guy went to the hospital to get painkillers,faking ofcourse but the dr knew and refused him treatment,he drove to the bottom of the hill and shot himself in the stomach to get drugs! sad!!
i see something about about mandatory sentencing, but not about mandatory amount needed to serve to be elligible for parole so ill just take your word for it since i’m on the outside and checking to see how much she’ll have to serve seems like a waste of my freetime.LOL I’ll let her look it up since she’s the one who’ll have to know.YIKES but it did seem as though its for DRUG related crimes only . The felony i referred to was not a DRUG crime so maybe that why parole was allowed so early. I guess it would have to be drug related like this was. Looks like a special provision for the state of Florida to curb illegal drugs coming in from so many easily accessible ports. Drugs must be rampant down there if theres a special parole provision for Drug caes only. YIKES again!
Mary,also i was addicted to hydrocodone,took 10-20 a day but Thank God,LoL today is 5 yrs clean and sober!I am 47,was 42 then,lol
That judge who sentenced Hope looked unfriendly TOWARDS HER!
bbib dtr on phone.
See, I mispelled favorite.LOL That’s what happens when you let people like that get to you. Thanks again ms peridot
Cathyjo,
Congratulations on your recovery, it is a blessing!!
I feel like I’m one of the few lucky ones who never liked drugs of any kind. Though I did do a short stint with alcohol years ago. My only problem now is food and cigarettes. And boy are they hard to chuck, so I understand addiction.
I think the Haleigh case is making people a little more aware of what’s going on with the prescription pill problem, but the solution to it is baffling.
Best to you Cathy.
TexasMommy,my heart aches for your very painfull loss.Im sorry to hear this happened to one of your babies.Huffing isnt something parents would look for,an never even think about a so young of a child,being around it.
Just one.your with the coke,such a sad story,i hope everything is better now.
For all who have suffered ,or had love ones suffer because of any type drug .I so feel for you,we to fought battle in our family.
But if we got wind,of drug use,we were all over it,seeking the dealers out warning them,to not any give,sell or offer ours any more.an to tell there buddies.Me,an my third sister would go right to their door,fighting for ours.One we had to get the oldest of us,to go to a family Judge,who handles things like this,an we signed the person over to them,at that time one of ours was in her early 30,an the judge sent to pick her up,if not willingly,they would cuff them an take them.
To a place called Morris village,for in house rehab.We werent allow to visit untill ours was dried out,an won her privilidges for a visit.They searched us going un,an leaving,just like prison visits.But the difference in prisons is they can get counseling,but now have to pay for dr,meds,an counseling out of comisary funds,after the initinal 45 day intake to check for blod sicknesses.health issues dieases,as well as mental health to see if they are stable enough to go into population.
After that they have to pay, 2 dollars for dr.Some would rather have a honey bun,an their health suffers.Schooling comes to those with the shortest sentences first,an those with the earliest release dates.
I dont think 12-18 nare evil,i think it would be better to place them in in house rehabs,an they get all the useful tools for life on the outside.15 YR PRISON SENTENCE,would be more useful for the person,as getting better,learning why they are there,what was the reason they run to drugs,instead of to an adult who could help them.Help them deal,learn to deal with child hood pains.abuses,molestations,an drug use.Learn how to be more productive in society,an how to be better young people. Prisons do not teach these skills,an they have some programs,but many dont go.art allowed untill they get closer to their time,to be over.
I know this from going nto many prisons male,an femal.On got his throat cut,last time i went to a male prison,an i stopped the male prisons,these many rapes,gang rapes there.Homosexuality runs rampid.Stealing of comisarrys,food.t shirts,an prodicts.The are place all together murders,child rapest,child molesters,strong armed robbers.They are placed with violent prisioners.Now many child offender do have to go back into protective areas set aside (cells) if they dont fit in,or viloence come to them.
Female prisons i still visit.They are all together mental,violent ,child killer,child molesters,an there are female child molester(ones called the peanut butter molester) to vile what she did to her baby,so i wont tell any more.But after the adjust ment,when they comeoff there 45 day intake,when they arnt with other prisioners.No rapes,none of that,but mich fights between lovers.Dominate prisioners,whp have life,or lwop are mean.Yhey fall dead,one a while back in the count line.
Green wood where Susan Smith has neen,in 2005 i was visiting that prison for a few yrs,she was doing fine.Sitting with family laughine doing fine.One lady told me she had sported a black ey,or 2 in the beginning ,but not in a while,she has her a protective lover.
In Columbia,a female prison,much older than Greenowwd,leath correctional ci
camille griffen graham in columbia is very old run down,but lighter,an not a stif,formal,an hard on their prisioners.Many child murderers ,child abusers the peanut butter mothers at this one.Homosexuality runs rampit,if caught lock down,an priviledges removed,but most gaurads know whats going on,a lot of the gauards like wemon,one just got in trouble from corrisponding with a outside released inmate.We have food an church programs for mothers,an their children.
One woman i feel so sorry for ,she got 40 yrs for neglect 85 persent //means 85 persent time served.Unless they change the law.This young lady played no part,was proven to play no part in the crime,an she got 40 from a really tough judge.
I saw another get a softer judge an many know he murdered a child,a long list of violence,he got LWOP,but because of a notifucation prosses,that man got a appeal,an his crime sentence was dropped to 20 yrs.My My .
I FIND THE REAL CRIMINALS THE REAL MURDERERS,mOLESTER RAPEST SODIMIZERS -GET OFF MOST OF THE TIME,WITH LIGHTER SENTENCES.,AN PETTY CRIMINALS GET TOUGH SENTENCES.
Hope got 15 yrs,the man who attacked,the teen got 5 yrs,an now has alledgedy murdered 2 more tenns.if he had got 15 those girls may be alive,or a one strike on major crimes against babies teens.
So do we call them evil,an heard them away like cattle.Or do we weed the process,an the violent criminals,an real hard core drug dealers out ,to do prison time.
An change the law for drug abousers,amall petty dealers of few offence,first time ,second time offence.
Do we want a systenm to take these young,an put them in a school,rehab,counseling,parenting an life skills to be taught,when they get out they will surely be better people,healed,taught skills to get a job,skills to be a parent,skills to learn to say no to drugs.The woman who strangled the 15 yr old in gang related deal,she was 16/17 she didnt get LWOP,Life,she got 30 for a violent crime.Hope will be doing half the sentence for a murder,because she got high,rode with them selling friends who got high pills.A temtation to a drug abuser,set in front of the by a man/uc who temped them with their drug of choice,girls were broke.He that looked good who throws around that many pills,hes the man ,we girls will do what he wants hes the big supplier.AS WE KNOW 98 PERCENT OF THOS PILLS BELONGED TO THE STATE,AN THE 200 WHAT A TEMPTATION TO USERS, WoW HE PASSED THEM JUST AT THE TIME THE BUST WENT DOWN,MAKING SURE THEY COUNTED THEM.
I cant say if that many had been handed over to me,no money,no sale of those.lol i may have taken them 2 in my young days.That big buts as i say helped the real drug trade in putnam,how??those were only a small amount of street pills,the rest came from the supplier the state.
Now i would try an have mine childs case moved to another county.Because this drug bust has been bias from the beginning.I dont believe any of the persons can get a fair trial.because even though LE REPORT! the drug case has nothing to do with,no barring on the Haliegh case.Thats a dang lie,because whe have heard Cobra,an big dealers,an dealers name were mention,i only see one in jail Jarome,none of the others,no drug raids,no new bust.Just these 5.They will get a bias,predijust Judge.
tobias said,in April 28th, 2010 at 8:18 pmThis 19 year old was busted just 2 weeks before she was trafficking with the others. She also had priors. She had chances to straighten up but kept going till she ended up where she is. And evidently her cousin Ron didnt give a crap if she got caught he probably got her involved.
Donna was in it to gain money and Mistys favor,Donna was still trying to get the info out of Misty so she could gain fame for solvingthe case. She hung herself. jmo
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hello tobias!
i agree with your whole post!!! myself, i just think 15 years is to long to keep hs incarcerated. there are worse criminals and we are always hearing that we cannot afford to keep them all in. and i don’t see what we gain by keeping hs 15 years. other than it does send a message to all in florida: if you do this crime, your going to do this time. i get that! but, i don’t think hs is ever going to serve 15. and i really like the idea of “earning” early release by getting educated and working for it. maybe do 7 years and earn the rest off.
i personally think, even if hs is immature and drugged up, she did know the risk she was taking just like misty, ronald and donna. it is obviously not something that just happened to hs out of the blue. her attitude and her record show that. i did notice hs is enthralled with ronald.
and i could not agree with you more about ronald and the whole rest of your post. if rc cared about hope, rc would not have allowed hs to come along. this is more than druggy brain and or immaturity. i think ronald just does not care.
I think fifteen is excessive but at the same time don’t feel sorry for this B!@#h !If iy were a different person I would feel bad. But it’s possible someone could accidentally get caught in it who doesn’t deserve it. Someone above mentioned Katrina, from one video i saw of her she doesn’t seem deserving of mandatory fifteen, What if she was caught too. SAME sentence, no dount.. The TIME does not fit the CRIME ,IMO. Some Mandatory jailtime does fit though.jmo again. If 85% is the minimum served they should make it a 4 year sentence and make ’em serve minimum of 3! Catch the big dopers and make them serve 15 not the petty ‘carriers’. Maybe doctors should start being sentenced for handing out unecessary prescriptions and ruining the lives of those who can get caught up in it. I’m sure no single indivudual could need more than 3 per day for 30 days and even that is excessive. Put a ban on doctors prescribing more than 90 pills in a month to a single individual. 45 would be even better!
wrong ms.per..hope was way way overcharged BECAUSE of the haleigh case..its all political now..the cops, DA’s office, the judge are appeasing the pressures they themselves face..and if that means pinning low level offenders with major TRAFFICING sentences, so be it! The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!! Hope’s lawyer did SQUAT for her!!
the drunken SHYSTER!!!!!!!!!!!
Also wondering why there isn’t a central data base for all pharmacies so people couldn’t go from one to another Rx. shopping. As bad as things are getting though who knows what people might do to get these drugs. It’s bad.
Grandma of 5 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
hey grandma of 5, wow, you are the kind one! thank you so much!
i enjoy reading your posts too! please don’t let anyone stop you from sharing your opinions here. i do understand though, it does upset me too. 🙂
I think the LAW defining fifteen is what’s corrupt not the officers/ judges, themselves. They can only go by the law and the minimum was set before them. Change the law not the judge. He did the right thing by not letting her walk. It’s only the statute itself that is making it look that way. The judge did not SET the minimum of the crime she committed. He can’t just let ppl walk who deserve it and show no remorse based on the fact he thinks the minimum itself is too high or everyone would walk. He only determines if the person shows lack of remorse or probability of recommittinbg an offense. She walked two weeks prior. He determined based on that and APPLIED the law. He did not set the law he only APPLIED it. Corruption would be defined if he observed no remorse or saw probability of crime happening again and turned a blind eye. Mafias work that way when they plant judges who turn a blind eye. If you want to stop the corruption change this LAW not this JUDGE. He only did what was right.
… as far as the lawyer being inept .. i’m sure with video evidence against her the only thing to do would be to plea bargain with the state for information… which she was probably unwilling to give… what more could she do… is there accomplice to drug trafficking ..i’m not sure .. i doubt it.. and from what I hear she was the one providing the hookup… no contest was about all she had unless she went to trial and wasted the states time with the evidence against… maybe she should feel lucky shes not getting twenty-five. one last time i say judges only APPLY the law.. change the law not the judge. Throw the corruption arguments at the law not at the ppl who APPLY it correctly.
Too funny! Ron show any concern for his cousin Hope and consider keeping her out of trouble…….We are talking about a guy who as yet to shed any truth on the circumstances concerning the events leading up to the disappearance and now the homicide investigation of his 5 yr old daughter. Give me a break. It’s clearly obvious that all Ron Cummings cares about is his drugs and the next underaged girl that he can manipulate and control and as soon as everyone figures that out, it will be a much safer place in whatever world he finds himself in (his family included).
Chelsea may have been in fear of losing her kids and gave Timmy a choice, leave now with me and the kids or stay here and risk it all with your family. I don’t see Timmy in this mess. Chelsea is from MA and has family there. Lindsey just got back from visiting them with her and Tommy’s kids and rumor has it that Lindsey may have received info from Tommy privy only to her via his attorney.
Sounds like things may be getting interesting. I just hope that no other children are physically harmed in this mess. Hopefully the right people are in custody were they belong and the innocent are protected.
anyone with reasoning can see she had no remorse in the video and the can also see that the probability of happening again was great considering two weeks prior she walked. nothing more you can judge on unless the person is deemed not mentally liable which she is not. Thats why you always dress appropraiate for court and act accordingly bcz the showing remorse plays a big part. The judge could’ve sentenced further by that video the prosecuter showed but he gave the minimum mandatory. He was as lenient as was possible by law.
guilty of TRAFFICING!! by sitting in the car!!!
give me a break!!!!!
its all political now..the DA and judge are using the LAW to further their own political ends..the justice system in florida is CORRUPT!
It was Hope’s connection. Hope set up the buy. That’s why she took Misty in the to meet the seller….That’s where Hope’s trafficking charge came from.
and you know that, how??????????
you don’t KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stop stating your suppositions as fact!!!!!!!!!!!!
im the typo queen,sorry.I was writting never finished,or got to reread befor my post,i was trying to get mysons dog in,an she was giving me a fi,i got up.Hit thepost butten before i ment to,so its a mess lol.Sorry guys my bad lol
Research.
And I must say, you are the most hateful blogger I have ever witnessed on any site.
You are just down right mean.
IMO
Something 7 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
—-i think, the new laws regarding doctors prescribing in florida kick in this year? i believe it is “looking for justice” who knows about that. and your post at 9:54, that is the way i understand it all.
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OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 9:22 pm wrong ms.per..hope was way way overcharged BECAUSE of the haleigh case..its all political now..the cops, DA’s office, the judge are appeasing the pressures they themselves face..and if that means pinning low level offenders with major TRAFFICING sentences, so be it! The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!! Hope’s lawyer did SQUAT for her!!
the drunken SHYSTER!!!!!!!!!!!
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hello oj’s glove, i don’t want anyone to be treated unfairly. but, this whole drug problem is really out of control. what are we going to do about the whole major drug abuse issue?
if we really don’t try to fix it, them we are contributing to it.
o.j.’s glove i don’t mean to not directly aknowldge your point. i do understand. and i really wish there was a way to hit higher ups! i agree with “something 7” said at 09:54 about the judge having to follow the law and how he applied it.
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wow it really feels like we get so far from haleigh sometimes. we are focusing on so many different people!
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the word trafficking is throwing you off… she set up the buy..thats trafficking… i dont think they have a seperate offense for that.. in fact it might… no it would be worse than just participating by accepting the drugs or money… the question is what would someone get if they mereley sat in the car but never said a single word, touched the drugs or swapped money? i suppose thats what you need to look up and pretend she did. Maybe that other girl could get the sentence your thinking but not hope.. didnt she walk in with her and set up the deal? The only proof they wouldn’t have is that she was the setup person unless by admission or accusation by others but she did go in with. still trafficking.. the word seems larger in scope than it really is.. like MIAMI Vice smuggling by way of Caribbean. What other minor trafficking charges are there. What would someone be sentenced with if they only witnessed a deal happen but exchanged nothing noit even the information for the hookup?
you two don’t get it..
its POLITICAL now!
Hope was fed to the wolves by her “attorney” who is in cahoots with the prosecution!
LE, the judge, the DA’s office want someone, anyone to FRY!!!!!!!!! they are under pressure too and will burn at the alter of their CAREERS an innocent passenger in the car! SHAME on LE!! the dirtbags!
Guilt by association.
I do know here that paroled felons cannot associate with known felons, maybe the Judge down there just broke the cycle for the Hatfields and the McCoys down there in Satsuma!
so what charge would just a witness to the deal in the backseat get ? just curious…
think clearly people..
it is POLITICAL pressure that got a passenger in the car a 15 year sentence..does’nt that seem odd to you that her lawyer plead her GUILTY to a mandatory minimum of 15? when she was only sitting in the back seat! The lawyer is in CAHOOTS with the prosecution!!
the worthless DIRTBAG!!!
what other charge is there to give her?
Something 7 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:05 pm what other charge is there to give her?
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being in the car ridin with friends is not a crime.
unless LE needs a scapegoat! then it is! for their stupid blundering drunken ineptitude!!
florida LE can go to HELL!!!!!!!!!!
oh wait..florida is HELL!! nevermind.
Hope Sykes was not just a passenger in the car.
Hope set up the drug deal for over 100 pills and made the connection for the buy. She took in the money with Misty, bought the pills and then with Misty, delivered them to the undercover cop who was waiting in the car with cousin Ron. Hope even made a profit for setting up the deal, she got a couple of pills out of the deal. That constitutes a single charge of trafficking in any state.
wrong!! possesion at most..unless your OVERCHARGED by a politicaly charged LE!!!!!!!
that wants to save their own ARSES!!!!!!!
for their BUNGLING of the inital investigation!
the morons!
conspiracy to watch others engage in trafficking is not a charge. either there or not… walk in with or not… set up with buyer or not…. only thing that could be political is the setup of the sting but they did not force them to traffic to them. the judge gave the mandadtory minmum. Least frying possible allowed by law on that charge… only hope could not choose to take plea bargains… if she was only in the backseat then video would show that and the lawyer would have went to trial to clear her… i saw on one of several her walking to the deal…Ron saying how far you girsls gotta go.. she was more than backseat. she was not in all videos but was in one for sure walking to the dope house. I admit it is tough to actually see her get out of the vehicle , but the context of what happened and sound is there to back that up.She walked with misty to the dope house in the know of a deal happening. Political or not the sentence was correct. She woulda got hit with an extra ten if it went to trial for wasting everyones time with the evidence against her. Obviously they had more than this one tape of evidence against her. If it was political that doesn’t mean its not correct. stings happen all day long all week all year. its part of LE …how else to catch criminals if they dont amass evidence.
.. transfer to the undercover is the key sentence there… its not simple possession once a handover was made.
dont fail to realize the undercovers word also ,not just video… in trial she woulda got fryed worse
… fried… as in scorched
testimony by the undetrcover about what was said would be damning
ok i’m out ‘o here !
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Yea, because that’s where little innocent HaLeigh is being protected right now, Heaven.
looks like I have a stalker..
stillucy, are you pinky too?
thats what I figured..
tobias said,in April 28th, 2010 at 8:00 pm Everyone in Fla. knows its one of the toughest on drugs it is 85% she will do the 12 years. Google it. jmo
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It’s a shame they’re not as hard on Sex Offenders.
When does Snodgrass go to court again?
I see Donald Sapp, at least, is still in custody, although he was out and about, and hadn’t informed authorities of his new Satsuma address when Haleigh went missing. I really hope LE investigated him, his connection to Haleigh’s family is just too close for comfort IMO
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Reason is for name calling. No matter how harmless you might think it is, all it takes is one word to insult someone so in the future please stop!
I wonder what would have happened with this case if it hadn’t have gone National/International?
faggot.killer said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:45 pm cameron douglas only got 5 years and he was smuggling pounds and pounds of meth.
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Unfortunately, money talks, it’s pathetic.
Pinky and her insults sounds very familiar.
Pinkyandduhbrain said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:42 pm The Mutt Troll. Alternatively known as Dogs or Yapping Dogs, characterized by their loud barking – vociferous, REPETITIVE, usually IGNORANT and irrational criticism of anything and anyone they do not like. Likely to have no real friends, rarely clean their house, poor personal hygiene, frequently blog in their skivvies while eating junk food.
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Thank you for your bio, however, sorry, but I wont be rushing out to buy your autobiography.
Thank you Mary!!!
something 7 thank you for all your posts. as i said earlier in the day, i don’t feel i have any idea how to judge what any of the lawyers are doing in this/these cases. but, i now understand better what hs attorney was/is doing. it makes more sense now. i am anxious to see how it all turns out.
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stillucy said,in April 27th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
i want to thank you too for your posts tonight. very interesting comments. and i better understand what hs attorney was doing.
i too am hoping that if toc knows anything, he is motivated to talk.
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o.j.’s glove, what happened??? getting angry and nasty just chases everyone away.
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been up wayyyy to long! goodnight/morning everyone!
If one is DR shopping ,an knows the laws.When they get the scrips filled,if DEA catches it.That person will be flagged in the puter pharmcy system. Look at the puter next trip,ask you Pharmasist to show u.In the top righ corner,a small read flag will show,if to many scrips have been fill, of narcotic pain meds.Under 1 persons name.
Many who have dr shopped They use different ID,different SSN,an filled many narcotic scrips usualy go from one DR,an one drug store, to the next,different towns,counties.Untill the DEA catches that.They have pretty much cracked down in the state of SC. After the North Myrtle beach big DR bust,an lawsuits for Oxycontin.One DR even was reported to have shot his self,one fled the country.They were handing scrips over the counter,after you had a MRI through them,they set out to filling your purse with scripts.
I am under pain mang.For a terminal illness,that we are trying to get under remission,i have a appt with a specalest,treatment DR,in May,i also fell a few flights on a job,working construction,which i hve worked many yrs of my life,the tie off broke where i had my safty harness tied to.I fell,an many surgeries later,an even a stimulater placed in my spin,where the fluids at.it run to the brain,an to the spots the pain was worse,so i would need no meds,but it broke off,an more surgery.I have epidurals,an just now found out the want to check me for lymphoma,where my limpnodes are swollen around my pancrus.Oh My Goodness i just cracked up at th drs,he wound up laughing to.Told him im not believe this,an not about to buy it.Better to laugh that cry.It may just besomething else causing the enlargment,but hey ives smoked for yrs.Ughhhh. I sure do take my narcotic pain meds,an need them.IM ON 150 A month.I function mentaly well,,lol even though my spelling,an typos are many.lol but i need to have pain relief,so to the poster who said put a tag on dr,about how many they can write,thats not a good plan for the sick.,lol really not good for people like me,but i have a strict pain DR.She does dreat epadurals ,doesnt hurt as bad as some who have stuck me!!!
How ever i do agree with montering,drug screens,an pill counts.An making sure the person has the medical papers to back what they are saying.An are there for.
I was born in Sandord Florida,so i get mad,when i hear about, pain mangments like the Flordia strip,where theres many.An people load their cars,with addicts,an head there,an get many scrips,come to other sates an sell them,they should be closed down,or DEA on them always..
Compassion ,not hate,I will ride the area here where the working girls are,instead of going out of my way to another street,when heading to the ocean.,an see those strung out,so pitiful,so sad,someones child out thers..If i can help one, I have helped some mothers child.What if it was mine.
I helped a 13 yr old runaway be reunited with her parents when i had a major run in with her pimp in Nashville,in 89 (i lived there for 12 yrs) shes home an safe last i heard.
I have taken many in my home,an weened them off drugs,helped them get jobs,an get on their own.Some when i feel that uncomfortable feeling ,When Gods warning me.I leave that one alone.I remember on my way accross a bigh bridge,leading into another county.I saw a person wrapped in plastic,it was storming out.I said God,if they are there when i get back,ill know you want me to help.Well that person was still walking wrapped in plastic.So i stopped,it was a tiny woman. guess where she was comming from lol Florida.I took her to a shelter,i had no room at the time,an she got help,a place to stay for a month.Safe out the storm,food,an a safe bed to sleep in,bible studies,an many jobs avalible it was the start of summer.At least a bad person didnt get her tiny little self,an she was ok for a while.
Once prayed with a young woman on a dirty old jail bathroom floor.She repented,an God showed her favor,charges got thrown out,she now works with the youth,an has a building where the word of God is preached,an taught.
I tell you this no horn being tooted,because these people are worth saving,helping.I aways said if i do good to those who can help their self,I believe God will send someone to do good by mine,if their ever in trouble.What good is it to help those who need no help,or to be doing it to those to look good,an get in good with those who could care less because they think they need nothing.
When i see our youth dieing going to prison,addicted i just weep. An their babies dieing because they are so out there,murders,accidents children getting guns,drugs an death comes is so sad.
I know some mother hurting tonight some childs strung out somewhere,an she doesnt know if she will see them come home,ever.
Then when i read the hate,an contempt for these who are in so much trouble,not just these here,but all over.
You see we can brag,an even say well mine wouldnt,i wouldnt allow it.I say you have many more decendents comming,an you dont know what you may face in the future.
Most know my families went through a 2 yr old being brutaly beaten to death,an what we went through being accused,media,lost jobs accusations.3 trial.but i told in the end the murderer wasnt any of us,not one of my family members.We didnt even get 1 im sorry for putting you, an your through this,we finaly had time to grieve our lost 2/3 yrs later.So when i see news,an clips i question my self,an say hey do you believe it,or is this what some did to us.I wait for evidence,not gossip,an reinacted tapes.
Jesus has compassion.I want to be more like him,when he said i came to save them,not condem them. An as i read he says in james 3, a tounge is a unruly evil member of our body,it drips poison,the tounge can be tamed by no man. Then i read on an Gods word say what we speak comes from our heart.its not what goes in that defiles us,its what comes from our hearts,to our lips,an we speak it,an will be judged for the very words we speak.
I read about sin,he says we all have sinned,an fallen short.when all were ready to stone the little woman,Jesus knew their hearts,so he stooped,wrote in the ground,an said plainly those OF you with out sin,cast the first stone.The woman washed Jesuses feet with her hair,an tears,anointing him with fine oils.The self rightious crowed said why are you messing with her shes a sinner.Jesus let them know right quick,she had showed more love than,all that bunch combined.
Then i see the sins he says those will have a portion in hell for /unless they repent,an turn from their wicked ways,our ways.
They are Murder-adultries-lies-maliciousness-GOSSIP-backbitting-bitterness-wrath-envy-unmercifulness-deciet-pride-drunkards-fornicators-blasphemy-idolatry-filthy cumunication-lovers of the same sex–busybodies-false accusers-all of these things,God calls sins.Fruts of the fleshly part of us,not being spitural.He says repent,an turn from our wicked ways
An he says we as belivers should be
kind to one another-mearciful when we see somone in a fault,lead them back,knowing we could also fall into a trap.-being meek an not heard hearted-long suffering to do right–loving others as we love our selves,our own.- having joy singing prases to the lord,praying always,not just for ours, for others as well-speaking truth-being peacful,not having meaness,riotious hearts.
When i see a 8 yr old who has shot his dad,an another.I wonders is he not one who could be helped,Guns were placed where he could get them,he had see deer killing,cutting of their throats,he heard his dad say lets put it out of its misery,should that child be charged as an adult????this is old,an already handled.
when a accident happens,an some panic an cover it up,should they get the DP,or live in prison untill they die.What would you give them??
How about small time people who swap,an sell a few pills to each other,who all have drug addictions,need to make 20 dollars,an get a few pills for their selves??? 98 percent of the pills were supplied by the state,UC agent,cleaning only 25/50/or 100 pills off the streets. should they go down for only thir pills or all. Should those ,get big time traffickers bonds ,time,an fines,as>>>
Should they go down like a big time 15 million dollar drug sting ,with uncut meth,an coke,pot pills money trucks,servalence systems,bringing drugs in from another country.Should the samll frys get the same bonds,an time as the large orginized dealers get???
Should we not pray for them,it could very well one day be one of ours.
Is it alright to tie two crimes together,when trying,an sentencing those in one crime,not commetted at the same time ,a yr,or more later the seperate crime was done.Should those to be throwed together,even if theres been no one charged from the first crime.an may not be.
Wouldnt we think or want if it was ours,to get a fair trial.To change counties from the bias court,town.Judge.Or will it be ok that people get tried in the media getting hard time,with no evidence,.Should Videos be allowed in all trials?? Even if it could sway a jury,or cause a judge to give harsher sentences.
Should all teens be tried as adults.
A 12 yr old watches wrestling,an starts to play with a younger family member,he then gets carried away with his moves,an the smaller child gets hurt,or dies,should that 12 yr old go to adult prison???
What going on with the youth today.parents once had control,but have lost it.Is it a spiritual sign of the times?? Is evil running rampit,an distroying our babies,an youth???
Did stopping parents from being able to punish their children through spanking,have children changed sence then,where they can call 911 if a parent trys to rule them,as parents should.I am not speaking of abuse,im speaking of being able to keep your child home,an not allowing them to cuss you,an walk right out the door.
How about going through your childs things,to watch for drugs in the home,an other things?? Or do we now have to stand back an worry DCS will take our??
When all the abuse,child rapes,drugs drinking in homes the state,lets the children stay,an screams fould ,understaffed if one dies that they didnt remove.
If a parent has already been warned,an still fails drug test,should the state let them walk away letting that child/children stay in that home???
We need to fall on our faces,an cry out for change before God.Then try every thing possinle to get stiffer laws for those who murder their own,an all child murderer,rapest,an crimes against little ones in sexual crimes.A one strike law be set into place,not unless proven,no doupt remaining.,hasnt it been proven that these criminals cant be reabilitated,wont change havent changed.Getting a man out on 30,000 bond for sodomizing a child,an a teen rides in a drug car an get 100,000 bond,one man takes a teens panties an tries to choke her,molesting her.He gets 5 yrs,to get out an alledged to have now comitted 2 more murders.WHY??? WHAT CAN BE DONE???
God word said a gross darkness would cover the land,an even a grosser darkness will cover the people.Darkness is evil-gross darkness has to be far worse than what were even seeing now.Its time to repent,an all return to our lord,an pray,humbling ourselves before him,that he would heal our land,heal ,an fight against this wickedness.America has had a great falling away from God,it happened before 911,an then they ran to God,but im afraid we have all got comfortable,once again..
He told his deciples to watch,an pray,but they slumbered an slept,what many are doing today.If we would have known what time the theif was comming to break in,we would have been prepared.WHY cant we see the thief,is come to steal,an murder our babies,an distroy our youth.are we watching ,are we preparing,or is America in a slumber!!!
Jan 57 @ 1:27am
Great post.
Pinkyandduhbrain said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:42 pm The Mutt Troll. Alternatively known as Dogs or Yapping Dogs, characterized by their loud barking – vociferous, REPETITIVE, usually IGNORANT and irrational criticism of anything and anyone they do not like. Likely to have no real friends, rarely clean their house, poor personal hygiene, frequently blog in their skivvies while eating junk food.
>OJ
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WTH? The quality of posts is going seriously downhill here.
Why in the world are people like you insulting and name calling people that you disagree with? It never used to happen here.
I respect OJ’s opinion. If you don’t like what he has to say, perhaps you should ignore him rather than behave like a 10 year old and reply by calling him names?
Geesh.
OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:53 pm looks like I have a stalker..
stillucy, are you pinky too?
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Coincidentally I seem to have gotten one today too….what has happened to this place?
Speaking of Hope, once upon a time I think we had more hope. Just trying to keep a roof over our heads has become such an effort it is hard to focus on the needs of our children. Mothers and Fathers needing to work and leaving Television and electronics to entertain our children. Have you seen what’s out there? Reality shows where the more obnoxious the better, Xbox games where kids can entertain themselves in the life of crime. Sex sex sex, every commercial, magazine, song and subliminal message. Women thinking they are worthless without bulbous implants in their chests. I think the priorities have gone askew! Than we spend
endless hours trying to find someone to pin this all on “politics”. It’s the republicans
fault no the democrats, oh and for sure the President whoever he may me at the time. How much has the credit card industry effected our lives. Thinking we have money to purchase what’s been shoved down our throats and later realizing we are in debt up to our noses. Weren’t thinking about those interest rates at the time. We have to have cable T.V now so we don’t miss the one decent show from the myriad of choices. Cell phones for every family member, and just try living without the internet. But, when all else fails as we ponder our problems we can always “pop a pill”. So simple. An antidote for all the complications in our lives. Not working though folks, just compounding the problems.
Somehow we need to get back to basics and simplify our lives a bit. How? Not sure at this point, but God could have the answer.
And on that note I have to figure out how to get through this day, if i have enough money for food, gas and bills. Oops, did I take my antidepressant and blood pressure meds yet?
Have a nice day folks, maybe things will get better. Love, peace I’m out.
God bless little Haleigh.
OJ calls everyone names he doesn’t like or agree with. Infact, good thing his name isn’t out there, because he could probably get sued for some of the comments he/she makes. Good thing he/she has a computer to hide behind. Unreal! What do you expect from the frozen minds in Minn.
Peace, maryd, and an excellent post. I am struggling to raise three grandchildren, ages 13, 14 and 15, and whenever the going gets tough I think of Haleigh, and her brother, and all the others that are not with us anymore, that never had a chance to grow up, and I thank God every day for the challenge He has given me in the form of my grandkids.
May your cupboards always be full and you have gas in your car, remember, we don’t always recognize the blessings when we see them.
Jan57, your faith and belief are contaigous, and you are a brave soul. I wish you love and luck.
Pray for peace for Haleigh, pray for discovery, pray for justice. Always believe, never lose the faith.
Don’t get to post often, but do get to read occasionally, yall are a great group, have a wonderful day.
It’s very quiet. Something is about to go down. Unless they still have absolutely nothing.
Good Morning Shock. Is it safe to come out? LOL
And thank you for your post yesterday evening…didn’t read it until this morning. Much appreciated. Nothing will change though. The same people who bully will ALWAYS bully. I just get tired of it sometimes. We can all be sharing personal stories, sharing theories, opinions and info and all is going great and then certain people show up and start berating and belittling everyone’s posts and it just makes me NUTS! LOL
Good Morning Vietnam.LMAO
I am not surprised BNN was burning hot yesterday.
Is there any new news today? I have not been near my comp. since yesterday.
I just want to say TY everyone for your kind words and thoughts sent to my family and myself.
If there is anything I would want everyone to remember is AIR FRESHNER KILLS and it is a new high for our young people, so be watching closely and throw them all away. Febreeze is much better!!!!
Goodmorning, I googled for the Misty hypnosis video and found the eyes for lies web page. It is a raw video of Mistys hypnosis Sept 1st, 2009. This is the video that she says GGsykes and Aunt Lisa came over at 7pm to bring laundry. She says the kids had eggs for breakfast. She says in the video that Haleigh did not get home until 4pm or a little after. Haleigh got off the bus at 3:30pm she should of been home before 4pm. Misty was not under hypnosis and was telling events that she was scripted to say. I say this because the hypnotist asked her to tell the events of Feb 10th,2009; not Feb 9th leading up to Haleighs disappearance. Again REMEMBER the time GGSykes said on NG that she came at 7:30pm to bring laundry. Misty said 7pm and on the JVM transcripts of March 10, 2009 you will also find there that it was 7Pm that GGSykes was to have been over to bring laundry. Misty also says prior to hynosis that she called Ronald. Later as she pretended to be under hypnosis she says she called Ronald repeatedly but he did not answer and She said she was freaking out and Bubba ( meaning Jr. I guess ) was freaking out to. She went to open the front door and Ronald was pulling in and told her to call 911. This is a very telling video. Please go watch and see what I may of missed.
tex – I have to say that I moved the air freshner from under my kitchen sink into my bathroom! LOL You DEFINITELY made me stop and think.
Nothing new that I can find. Been googling and binging Haleigh and it is all old news….unfortunately….*sigh* 🙄
lfj…unfortunately I can’t watch the video at work…..most vid’s are blocked from our network. But thinks for locating it…I’ll try to watch it tonight at home!
TY, I am so glad to hear that JB 🙂
JB do you remember the show Simon did and TJ let slip a little something about Marie? It was March 1st.
Tex – you mean about the vacation, taking something with her….?
Yes.
Remember how quiet it had been for weeks before?
What about it? Do you know sumpin’? If so, SPILL IT! LOL
Yeah….like it is right now! UGH!
texasmommy39, March 1 of ’09 or this year?
also, I read your post about promising your husband that you would not follow another case like this. i made that promise to myself— and I just started in January!
Misty also says that Haleigh went to bed in her pink Hannah Montana t-shirt and underwear. Haleigh was wearing shorts prior to bed but took them off because she hated clothes. Haleigh liked to strip down to her underwear.
In the original police report Misty said she woke up just before 3am therefore she should of seen two something. Misty also first said Haleigh was in her pjs and then said t-shirt and underwear in the 911 call, but Misty may have referred to the shirt and underwear as pjs so to me this is no big deal. It only got my attention when just a few minutes after the 911 call she said in the report that Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt and tan shorts. It would of been nice if she would have detailed that it was a Hannah Montana shirt.
Good Mornin’ Kate…I’m trying to extract info from Tex….LOL….she’s holding out on us! LOL
LOL NO I am not a insider…no matter what Hgmom says.
I am thinking that incident started the investigation moving again. Soon there after we had Connie stop by remember and set us straight with nothing of value. It was surprising to me that Connie did not know more about Crystal and was not able to share anything that suggested they are talking and are close now, like they used to be.
I think judge LaRUE IS SENDING A MESSAGE!!!Sick of the drug dealers, sick of all the little children disappearing and being killed because of stupid people who would rather take a chance selling drugs them to go out and find a job!!!There are alot of children missing not just Haleigh, what about the little boy in florida no one hears about anymore hes never been seen again?I pray they all go before this judge! These people have NO REMORSE!We need to change a few things in our legal system in every state you harm a child, LIFE and i do mean life as in as long as you live! Anything to do with drugs, EVEN ONE PILL 25yrs severing 100% of that time! I bet we would see a big differance in pill selling and crime against our children! I say you GO JUDGE LaRue! Clean up your state!!!!Florida is one of the worst!!!GO JUDGE LaRUE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lfj…well, if she was stripped down to a t-shirt and underwear why would Misty say on the 911 call that she was wearing tan shorts? Probably because Haleigh went missing that evening while she was still wearing tan shorts…long before she would have gone to bed. Hmmmmmm…..Misty slips up so many times but it is hard to figure out which is the truth and which is her “bogus cover-up story”. It can’t ALL be the truth, obviously. Either she was in the pink shirt and underwear, or she was in PJ’s or she was wearing shorts…WHICH IS IT MISTY?????
Kate said,in April 29th, 2010 at 8:54 am texasmommy39, March 1 of ‘09 or this year?
also, I read your post about promising your husband that you would not follow another case like this. i made that promise to myself— and I just started in January!
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LOL why do you think I was not on last night!!!! Heck during the day he is at work, but, knows when I do not get stuff done. I am weaning myself lol
Jb you are so welcome! You know what is missing from all the testament? NO Bath time.
Mornin’ Linda and I agree COMPLETELY! It always seems like when we hear of child abuse and murders there is a drugged up boyfriend, father, mother, etc., involved. The two unfortunately seem to go hand in hand. We know a lot of burglaries and thefts are due to drugs and drug use. A lot of domestic violence is due to drugs. Many druggies are on welfare because they can’t hold a job. They run up medical bills due to their health issues from drug use. If we can crack down on druggies we’ll eliminate a lot of other crime and social issues!
They don’t keep prisoners because of overcrowding. Let them be overcrowded, and piss all over each other as far as I’m concerned. At least the heavy criminals. Hell will be overcrowded too.
Good Morning JB, and Tex, since I didn’t say it before! And Linda and LFJ!
I am working, paying bills, listening to the March ’09 wrap-up show… and I’m not very good at multi-tasking. So my posts will be quite disjointed…
Kate – my feelings get hurt easily. Where’s my hello? LOL
I know what I forgot to mention!! When Misty first starts talking prior to being hypnotized she says she might know who took Haleigh but she dont know. I can’t say she was taken from my home (paraphrasing. Noone told me they were coming to get her (HALEIGH) I found this statement very important!
I’ve been confined to my home for a few weeks due to illness and lucky for me all of the blog stuff related to the Anthony trial hit the news so, I started researching sites. And now I’m an avid follower. What better way to keep up and stay informed. There is so much information out there. It’s really amazing. Now I know why my kids are zombies when they’re online! We all sit in the same room on our lap tops, I guess you can call it family time even though we don’t communicate too much with each other. That sounded creepy.
This experience has overall been great. I really enjoy the blogradio show on Sundays. Very informative. Great guests. But, opinions and facts are just that. Why some take them as personal attacks and then persoanlly attack others, I don’t get that.
I am just waiting for this case to break wide open with justice for little HaLeigh and I do blame both of those families for whatever has happened to her. They all share some responsibility for the lifestyle that they chose to live with those children. And, I don’t care what or who the PCSD have to intimidate or harass to get the answers that they need to bring this to an end.
I look at it as all is fair game now!
Thanks, JB
Looking – It’s frustrating isn’t it? The dynamics in this case. Trying to put all the pieces together. Trying to read between the lines. It’s as simple as “start talking”, and I hope they are.
Shockwave, the biggest HELLO of all to YOU!!!
and Good Morning, stillucy
JB said, in April 29th, 2010 at 8:45 am
lfj…unfortunately I can’t watch the video at work…..most vid’s are blocked from our network. But thinks for locating it…I’ll try to watch it tonight at home!
JB how do you justify blogging all day long on your employer’s time and bandwidth?
Sorry guys computer is acting up. I have been trying to get the gremlins fixed. I had to restart… and catch up.
The show was March of this year.
I am not pointing in a direction … but with the new info that CS had a PI and the events that have revealed them selves is pointing me away from CS and to her Dad. I know LOL I see what I want, but, SH comment about these interviews taking place over weeks has had me researching my eyeballs red. I have found some relatives that have been arrested around that time as well and no they are not on the players list.
lfj, very interesting!!! So after I am done with this March 1 wrap-up episode I have to go watch that hypnosis session. I’ve only watched parts and have always meant to watch the whole thing. What is the best link, do you think?
And stillucy, I agree. This has been a great experience for me. I have never “made friends” online and I am really loving it. But yes, why is it that people hide behind their nics and treat people in ways that they never would in person. It’s awful.
I googled Misty Cummings hypnosis video and found it there on the eyes for lies web page Sept 1, 2009. It is raw footage it says.
Morning Stillucy!
lfj – true about bath time….no mention of it. Of course, she did laundry with no detergent so the kids would probably be bathed without soap…if they were bathed at all! Sheesh.
I watched the hypnosis vid a long time ago but really need to watch it again. Could probably pick up more now from watching it than I could back then. We know more now…not a LOT more…but I do plan on watching it again.
Thanks JB,
I have not been on this blog about this case in a long time had to give it up for a while just got to me to much!
Nothing was being done untill judge LaRue came in the picture! I hope he cleans up the place, these people have learned if they can hide a body untill nothings left that they can get away with the crime!
Thank GOD,they got them on the drug charge!Good morning everyone since i didn,t say it before!
YOU GO JUDGE LaRue!
tex, Johnny/Marty you are thinking? Because that is what I’ve been thinking as well. But everybody laughs at me because I think that they are all involved and he directed everything.
Shockwave it is very frustrating!!!! I had watched the hypnosis vid before , but I guess I did not listen well. I could not believe what I had missed!! Misty gave accountability to Feb. 9th, 2009; not Feb 10th. Misty should have started out waking to find Haleigh gone and what happened after that.
Misty knows what happened to Haleigh it is evident!! NG was WRONG!! Apparently a bunch of dope heads can keep a secret for a long period of time if it meand their arses are involved!!!
tex, so there is a Feb 28 show and a Mar 7 show for this year. Is it one of thoes?
JB if Misty is bound and determined to not let Her child go to bed with a blanket smelling of pee, then why would you let your child go to bed smelling of pee? They woke up late that morning. Haleigh must of wet the bed Sunday night. No mention of bathing her before school. They were in a hurry. Haleigh came home from being in school all day then playing outdoors riding bike, popping wheelies and yet no mention of a bath. Misty mentions getting Haleigh ready for bed that is it. Perhaps it was not pee on that blanket!!!
NG doesn’t think they’ve kept these secrets for a long time?????
TJ Ward said the peed blanket plays a very big roll in what happened to Haleigh.
lfj – all very good and valid points. Just proves these people should never have been allowed to care for children. And you are right…it probably WASN’T pee on the blanket. I’m still wondering if all the blankets were accounted for. It sounded like at least one was missing….and possibly one ended up in the van.
You guys are so much more interesting than the group last night. Thank you so much.
And the bathing, I think hosing the kids down was probably Misty’s idea of a bath or nothing at all. She didn’t want to be a babysitter that night or any other night she just wanted to party with Ron.
All of these guys knew that they were being watched on the jail tapes. The Anthony case was too fresh in their minds. They tried to correlate the best they could with their thug mentality.
I’ve watched all the tapes on YouTube. One lie after another. All of them. The Grandmothers can’t even keep their stories straight.
Have any of you heard any gossip about Teresa being involved in the cover up? Her time line sucks. She traveled like 15 miles to Ron’s that night in less than 5 min. after getting dressed and grabbing a pic of HaLeigh to beat nearly all of the cops there. Kind of makes you think………What did she know?
stillucy, I was wondering about the details on Teresa’s time travel arrival. Thanks!
Anyone know what TJ let slip about Marie on that March show?
JB, Good question the blanket had to have been put in the van on Monday. Otherwise Misty and Ron slept with no blanket on Sunday night. She messed up on that story, the reason she gives for washing the blankets was a ruse, just a reason for doing it. Thats why she sounds like she is trying to convince everyone that it smelled like pee, who puts their kid to bed with a blanket that smells like pee, Idont.
Thus its a convincing argument as to why she washed them, when the reality is she washed them for another reason entirely. jmo
stillucy – I’ve wondered about Teresa as well. Never could get an explanation as to how she got there so quickly and how she managed to be so well prepared (with a 8 X 10 framed glossy of Haleigh). I’ve also heard she told LE she CURRENTLY worked for LE when in fact she hadn’t worked for LE in some time….Can anyone confirm that info? Am I getting the facts straight?
Good Morning Tobias….yes, the blanket story should set of my “hinky meter”…well, if I had one! LOL
It doesn’t make sense…nothing Misty says has made sense. I wish we knew if ANYTHING she said has been verified thus far. It would be SO nice to have some actual facts that we can build from. But these people have lied so much, they’ve contradicted each other, turned on each other and all pointed the finger at each other to the point I don’t know WHAT to believe anymore.
Kate…I don’t know that it was a slip. All he said was something about Marie going on vacation…there was a statement about her taking something with her or something like that. Then the poop hit the fan and TJ was scolded for saying anything about it as it was supposedly told in confidence but none of us could figure out what the big deal was about Marie getting away for a weekend or what it was she took with her…or if she took ANYTHING with her at all….I never made heads or tails out of any of it or saw any importance to it. A big bunch of nothing as far as I could tell…Could be wrong…but I didn’t see any earth shattering news in his statement about Marie….IMVHO….nothing to make Marie’s clan get their undies in a bunch anyway! LOL
Kate you would be as warped as us if you had been here the first day… we need a new set of eyes for a different perspective. Glad to have you here!
JB lol do you remember what article it was that Connie posted? LOL I wish Whytt could anylise those posts from Connie LOL. No christmass tree would possible indicate something to him, don’t you think.
Sorry guys phone call brb.
The point to the blanket is when and how did the blanket get in the van on Monday? Who drove the van there on Monday? Misty never mentions the van being there. Tommy was there on Monday but when would Misty have a reason to put a blanket in the van on Monday? I think that blanket really disappeared with Haleigh, unless LE recovered it in the van, but it still left with her that night. jmo
Answer: There is no justification for blogging all day long on company time. It costs an employer money which to me equals theft.
Tex – no, I don’t remember what article it was. LFJ, TOBIAS – do you guys remember? I never could figure out what the big deal was or what it was I was missing in that whole mess. LOL Of course, I always feel lost in this case. In the Caylee case at least I had plenty of facts and evidence to pour over. In this case all we have is media accounts…..and the ever changing statements of the family members and dueling grandmas….at least until they arrest someone…THEN, we’ll finally start seeing what LE has and what they know. Sure wish they’d hurry up and arrest someone! LOL
Not if you are the employer which I am so go stuff it.LOL I am my own boss.
If you go back to the slipped info its the Cummings that responded they were upset the info they gave was released not the Griffis or Sheffields. jmo
I work for the government, and they steal plenty from me.
Art..I was really trying to ignore you as I don’t have to justify ANYTHING to you….but, the short answer is until they hire more staff I have to monitor several computer screens for info which ties me to my desk, I blog on the 4th monitor while I run the monitoring software on the others, my boss knows and follows the case as well. Now bug off.
OK, yes, I do remember that whole “Marie is going on vacation and she is taking…” thing. (Which always reminds me of the “Going on a Picnic and taking apples, bananas” game.
How did we find out that it was the Cummings/Neves/Sykes who were upset about that being said?
Teresa was a communications dispatcher for a sheriff’s department but I don’t think it was for Putnam Co. I’m not clear on that and I’m not sure if she was employed in that capacity at the time that HaLeigh went missing. She also held a real estate salespersons license. Teresa was considered a jack of all trades and now she is unemployed and on disability from what I understand. Something about an accident. Not real sure. A lot of chatter out there about her and drug abuse too.
Chatter out there is that she coached the 911 call. As far as telling Ron and Misty to establish their alibis and set the scenario during the call because of the taping.
Teresa didn’t have a bad thing to say about the 17yr old babysitter that was responsible for her beloved granddaughter being abducted and watched over her son like a hawk. She was right there answering all questions during all of his interviews. Making sure he didn’t mess up and leaving Misty out there to fend for herself. And why not, Ron was @ work.
There is no way that she was @ home when he called her, no way and that is what she has said in many interviews (GretaWire YouTube). She’s got some explaining to do and I’ll bet she was never looked at.
Said it before and I’ll say it again TN is guitly as hell! IMO
tex, even though I’ve just been here since January I still feel like my head is going to explode from spinning information!!
Tex, Can you post the exact date of the post about Maies vacation? I really get lazy some days and if you have it , it just saves me from searching. TY
Kate – in April 29th, 2010 at 10:14 am – LOL – Welcome to the Haleigh case! It helps to wear waders because the poop gets DEEP quick! That is why I feel so sorry for LE. The people who SHOULD want to be the most helpful in finding Haleigh have played games from day one. NONE of them have told the truth! Their stories change more than their undies! UGH!
Hello G and welcome. As Tobias would say…TN does set off the “hinky meter”! 😀
Tobias you are correct that it was the Cummings that got upset the info was released. I never thought it was a big deal. Much ado about nothing.
Tobias did you go back and listen to the hypnosis vid? I hope you would and give me your thoughts on it.
Stillucy…I don’t think TN was will working for LE when Haleigh went missing from my understanding (and someone correct me if I’m wrong) but she TOLD LE that night that she did….have to wonder what the motive was for that. Even wore her LE jacket that night. Couple that with how quick she got there and the picture of Haleigh and you have to wonder.
Now if someone called me and told me my child or my grandchild (don’t have any yet but still) was missing, and had awoken me out of a sound sleep, I’m sure I would get there ASAP but I’m not sure I would think to bring a picture. Wouldn’t Ron already have those available. How did she get there so quickly and “so prepared”…unless she already knew what was going on. She’s definitely got some “splaining to do” IMVHO
We should submit a Teresa Neves video clip to Eyes for Lies!!! Anyone have an especially good one to nominate? I also want to submit one of Marie Griffis. I would like to find the WTEV interview where she and Crystal are sitting on lawn chairs, kind of far apart. The one where at the end the interviewer asks Crystal what she thinks happens and Crystal just sits there and says nothing for what seems like an eternity. Then Marie’s head twists toward Crystal so hard that you’d think her neck got snapped. I have just learned about Eyes in the last week or so, and who she is, and am thrilled to have her as a resource. She’s really nice, too.
JB said,
in April 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am LOL! You sure do crack me up 😀 ! And we know from Ron that the ones in jail can’t change their undies often!!
JB very valid points on TN. Does make you wonder.
Tetresa Neves alledgedly worked for Alachua County as a dispatcher for the Sheriff Department there. I am not sure if she was still employed there at the time Haleigh went missing. The story that is out says she was no longer employed there at that time.
What was TN job title when she worked for LE?
tobias here you go.
http://www.bloggernews.net/123942
Kate, Welcome to the BNN family and like JB said the HaLeigh Cummings case.
JB I do think that Maries vacation and items of interest was something of great interest to the case. It sure had damage control minions in full force on both sides.
I along with everyone else can not see the connection, but, have witnessed many of the players surfacing here (BNN) since that show and TJs absence and now part time participation now is a sign in my book of the relavance to the recent events and the (((bombshll))) that was slipped on FEB. 28th show. JMO
LFJ, GIVE ME A LINK TO THE RAW FOOTAGE AND I WILL CHECK IT OUT TY.
Dispatcher
KY – she was a dispatcher. Which would a very helpful position in teaching Ron and Misty WHAT to say when they FINALLY called 911…IMO
Sure do wonder why Ron’s drug charges all got dropped, the ones prior to Haleigh gone missing, of course. A while back I thought that it was because of TN job but since I learned that she didn’t work for Putnam County it is harder to explain.
Well maybe she has dealt with or was taught to deal with this kind of situation before ( A child missing) . And that is why she brought the picture with her of Haleigh. And the jacket maybe that is the only one she owns.
JB my siter is a SGT. over dispatch in my County. IMO it would not help Ron one way or another and the fact is Misty made the 911 call not Ron. JMO
JB
What did you think of Hope getting 15?
All that I can remember about the blankets were that 1 was in the washing machine and 1 was in the “van”. But, I don’t recall that LE was ever able to locate the 1 in the van.
I am shocked that LE didn’t take a closer look at Teresa with the lies that she was caught in from the get go and her background. It was obvious what the 911 call was staged. Sure Misty knows what happened but she’s a 17yr old little twit that’s blinded by this controlling idiot and she truly is under some kind of spell and believes that he won’t throw her under the bus. When in fact, Ron has already thrown her and her whole stupid family under the bus.
Misty has no loyalty to HaLeigh, just to Ron. That may sound evil but, look at the mentality that we’re dealing with here. I just wish there PCSD would look at letting someone talk to Misty that could show her the truth about this whole mess and bring some peace to Crystal and justice for HaLeigh.
I think Tommy has seen the light. He knows he’s losing Lindsey and his kids. Hopefully, he’s told what he knows. If he knows anything of factual value.
KY – all possibilities but she got there so quickly…and if she told LE she STILL worked for LE when she didn’t coupled with getting there faster than is humanly possible in the time allotted, wearing the LE jacket and having an 8 X 10 pic of Haleigh….just seems strange. Of course, everything about these folks seems strange. Why would she need to bring a picture? Wouldn’t Ron already have plenty of those? Just looks “staged” like she already knew Haleigh was missing!
I would get there as fast as I could and hope that Haleigh was later found hiding, or had wondered outside, or something….I wouldn’t want to think the worst that she was kidnapped or dead. I would be trying to convince myself there was a logical explanation as to where she was. She seemed WAY too prepared IMVHO. Could be nothing….as it could be her “training”…or it could very well be something. Who knows at this point….but again, it is suspicous to me.
Kate, you would be correct about that. TN’s training would give her the knowledge of what responding officers would need and the fact that she was there in record time is not IMO a sign of guilt, but, the love of a GM.
JMO
I am going to go mow the yard…. and leave before I ruin y’alls peace. LOL
((JB))) The fat lady has not sang yet.
I am a grandma, and TN sets off the “hinky meter” immediately. *If some drugged out 17 year old girlfriend of my son’s (God forbid) called me after a 3 day bender and said she couldn’t watch my grandkids I’d have been over there in 2 seconds to get them. Would have never told her NO. (She knows what Ron & company are/have been involved in, with ALL his previous charges. If they were my grandkids they would have been living with me not Ron & Misty in the first place.) *The unthinkable happens, and now she’s suddenly Johnny on the spot with photo in hand and police jacket, etc., not to mention the problem with timeline. Stinks to high heaven!! *Now you have the 17 year old with inconsistant stories. OK, I would have got the story of what happened to my grandchild come hell or high water. (Probably be in jail myself for assault!) I would not be going on television shows defending her, nor would I be defending my son. I would want to know everything from everyone and let the chips fall where they may. *I would definately not be roaming around in the woods after a tip was given from “who knows” potentially destroying evidence. I could go on and on and on. She’s guilty as hell!! IMO. Where is she now? Haven’t seen her on TV lately crying and saying a whole lotta nothing!! JMHO
credit goes to ky mom & JB, not me.
JB I would think the worst if I had been a dispatcher!!! I am sure she knew BB was not taken and that HaLeigh would not go alone outside in the dark. This her grand baby, she knows this baby and what where the possibilities. She came prepared, as I would expect anyone with training to do. JMO
Kate I think Ron was a snitch and that is how he got his priors dropped. I do not believe he was really ever an informant.
ITA, G!!
where’s m2c been?
stillucy, I thought that Lindsy was sticking with Tommy, in spite of it all? ITA, Misty’s loyalty to Ron, not the kids, especially Haleigh. I’m sure that she was jealous of Haleigh, although she can both love her and be jealous of her. (Been there myself so I know.)
We don’t know who LE is/has looked at. Maybe TN is one of the surprises!
About the Croslin family all being thrown under the bus, I couldn’t agree more. I know they don’t deserve sympathy but somehow I have it for them, not sure why. Have to think a little more on that.
Teresa told Greta that she thought HaLeigh was probably just hiding UNDER the bed or something. It’s all too strange. The video is on YouTube. That’s what caught me by surprise. Why the supersonic speed trip and the photo and lying to get access to the scene and bringing the photo if little HaLeigh was just HIDING?
She’s covering for her son. That’s the only explanation. She certainly wouldn’t be covering for Misty or her family.
I think that PCSD is probably starting from the beginning and looking at everyones’ involvement. Because they are all involve to some degree and that poor little baby paid with her young life for it. May they all rot in prison or hell whichever comes first.
G some of the information it seems you are basing your theory on is rumors and IMO lies. I am not disrespecting your opinion,but, hate to see you misinformed.
Misty did not call TN to babysit that night.
Misty went out Friday night and was gone till Sunday morning, when Nay Nay dropped her off at her brothers.
Tn is a trained individual in LE protocol and would pull with anyone in PCSO, in fact if she was still employed I would imagine there was a internal investigation that would ensure that TN did not participate or have any knowledge in a crime.
lfj, interesting. What is the difference between a snitch and an informant?
I am sorry …. TN would have NO pull in PCSO.
Tex – I’m suspicious of ALL of the characters in this case. It helps to discuss what we know about each of them and they ALL set off the “hinky meter” IMO. Is TN involved? Heck if I know but I do know some of her actions are cause for pause and reflection which is all we are doing.
True, the fat lady hasn’t sung yet…LOL…but I’m hoping she does soon and may ALL those responsible pay!
I have NO idea who is guilty of what at this point in regard to Haleigh’s death and disappearance. But they are ALL guilty of neglect and behavior which endangered these children. So I will continue to question their actions, words and motives until such time as we have arrests, convictions and sentencing. I have a feeling I may be surprised by some of those implicated and others will give me that “I KNEW IT” moment. But none of that matters as long as Haleigh receives the justice she deserves.
JB I agree w/ ya 100%
I am going to go mow before it rains. BBL
And what in the world was GG Sykes and Teresa doing searching at the river without talking to PCSD when they got the call from Grandma Hollars that Monday morning? I don’t care what they say, they were interfering in the investigation. They should have taken their butts down to PCSD not the river. They were trying to beat the cops to any evidence that was left behind. Too suspicious.
Granny Hollars blew their cover on NG. GG Sykes nearly peed her pants on that one.
Bye Tex – see ya later! If you get bored….you can come mow my yard too! 😀
stillucy – Yup. That was strange too! They were on a mission to do some damage control that much is fo’ sho’! Makes you wonder just how many people KNOW the truth and have kept their traps shut for 14 months! SHEESH!
But G, she did not say it to TN. She said it to Sykes. The great grandma.
JB, mAY BE NOTHING BUT WHEN i WATCHED THE HYPNOSIS VIDEO WHEN HE IS TELLING HER SHE IS AT THE BEACH AND THERE IS A CABANA OR LITTLE SHACK HER FORE HEAD DOES A CLINCH. gO WATCH AND SEE IF YOU NOTICE IT TOO.
I REMEMBER THE DOGS WENT TO A SMALL SHACK IN THE PROPERTY THAT HAD A DOOR OPENED BUT SAID NOTHING WAS IN THERE. cOULD THIS BE WHERE SHE WAS KILLED? aLSO mISTY IS ANNOYED WHEN SHE TALKS ABOUT AIRBUD THEY WATCH IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER I SAW ANNOYANCE IN HER FACE. JMO
Also werent the bricks stacked by the shack? jmo
No matter what anyone has to say about Grandma Hollars, she isn’t about keeping secrets. She’s gonna tell it all. As I believe, Tommy did tell her something in the call he made to her. Now, whether it was the truth or not, has yet to be heard.
I just feel that Teresa and her mother are culpable somehow after the fact. Which is a crime.
Also AC guy is Ronalds cousins(HOPE?) EX works for artic air. Would this be the ex of hopes that she had domestic abuse charges against?
Or is it some other cousin? jmo
i hate to leave this conversation but i have to. bbl, can’t wait to catch up in a couple of hours. ((((to all)))
Yep! JB you are right ! How many know and have not said a word? Very Very Sad.
Kate a snitch is someone who tells on others to get themselves out of trouble.
An informant normally works along with law enforcement to help them obtain information to bust someone for a crime.
Tobias – they were stacked at a shack or something at Tommy’s house I think.
Tobias what did you think of the statement in the beginning about Misty saying noone told me they were coming for her meaning Haleigh? My mind goes back to the drug dealers? What about you.
Tobias do you agree Misty was scripted? The examiner told her to tell him about Feb 10,2009; not what happened on Feb 9, 2009. Misty clearly was not under hypnosis. I really believe Ron is involved somehow. He could of instructed by phone just like he instructed by phone in the UC sting vid. The one with Misty and Kelly. jmo
There were blocks under the building behind Rons mh. You can see them in the pics.
I missed it some how when does she say it Iwill go back and listen again.
No justice for Haleigh…no peace for the clan!
Tobias it is at the beginning of the clip. You hear Misty say they think she may know who it is that took Haleigh, but she cant remember. It is after that. It is not long after the clip begins.
I’m listening to the hypnosis as well. The hypnosis person asked her who else was there. She said her brother Jr., and that’s it.
Kate at 9:28 am Your not crazy, I think the same thing. Marty Sheffield just seemed to be doubtful imo, but I am going by the Cobra stuff; just seemed to me that Sheffield was always up to crooked stuff.
Oh, and about Ronald’s drug charges, they weren’t dropped, he had youthful offender, then he did Adult Drug Court; A snitch is basically the same as an informant; but if you are an informant, your charges can’t be listed at all. That is so there is absolutely no way a paper trail can be left. (so the courts would not be held liable for any harm to the informant).
Kate at 9:28 am Your not crazy, I think the same thing. Marty Sheffield just seemed to be doubtful imo, but I am going by the Cobra stuff; just seemed to me that Sheffield was always up to crooked stuff.
Oh, and about Ronald’s drug charges, they weren’t dropped, he had youthful offender, then he did Adult Drug Court; A snitch is basically the same as an informant; but if you are an informant, your charges can’t be listed at all. That is so there is absolutely no way a paper trail can be left. (so the courts would not be held liable for any harm to the informant).
In the dueling grandma’s video, granny sykes didn’t mention Aunt Lisa was with her.
Shockwave, you are right she did not use the name Lisa. AS said WE.
I just think that the Croslin clan is being used by the Sykes-Cummings clan because of their stupidity in this drug culture. Ron is being protected by his family. I can see them all huddling together like a story out of the Sopranos but instead of a bunch of fat guys, it’s a bunch of women calling the shots for Ronnie boy. IMO
Supposedly, Lindsey just got back from the east coast from a visit with Timmy and Chelsea. She probably broke the news about what Tommy has been sharing with his attorney and LE so they would be informed before all hell breaks loose. Sure would like to know who paid for that trip…….Kinda makes you wanna go, HMMMMMMM……Is Leonard Padilla still involved? He sure has been awfully quiet.
tobias said,
in April 29th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Also AC guy is Ronalds cousins(HOPE?) EX works for artic air. Would this be the ex of hopes that she had domestic abuse charges against?
Or is it some other cousin? jmo
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No he is not. Misty said Ron’s cousin’s ex worked for the same company. The AC guy is not kin to the Cummings.
Wow, some of you people are unbelievable..bitch,bitch,bitch about the family not searching and when they do it’s suspicious..
LFJ, I heard it. Its like a confussed utterance
She accidently lets things slip like Tommy being there that night but quickly covers it with I mean that day. Misty knows everything and its not Joe. She sounded really anoyed about the Airbuds being watched over and over and over. Also the blanket is overly talked about again. She skips around all over the sequince of events. She says Icovered her with the sheet and blanket and the blanket washed for 30 minutes and dried for 60 minutes then I put my pajamas on( I dont remember her saying she was wearing pajamas(Misty) ) .jmo
lfj, thanks for the answer. I get it, a snitch is a crook already and an informant is only pretending to be a crook.
If this place is infested with aligators and snakes as has been reported, what in the world are 2 grandmothers doing searching an area like this for? Hasn’t Teresa tried this once before and ran away supposedly screaming like a little girl?
And after 14 months, what kind of training do either of them have in evidence recovery and chain of command for trial value?
Just a couple of thoughts. IMO
Tobias I agree with you on the clip. Misty knows everything!! I do not think Joe was involved. I still think Timmy maybe involved. I think even more than Tommy. Misty definitel trusted Timmy and made the point to stress that Timmy was Ronalds favorite in her family.
Kate you are welcome.
I thought it was interesting when she said Tommy was there at the same time the AC guy was there. Why would they be there at the same time and leave at the same time? Then I started wondering what else AC could stand for. I looked up AC abbreviations. The very first item to pop up was that AC was used on prescriptions, and it means before meals, ante cibum. Could AC be an underground word for your drug connection? I’ve heard someone talking on the phone before when purchasing weed, they say things like “mowing the grass” etc. in case someone is listening. I wonder if anyone has checked the AC place to see if they did work at RC’s home on that day.
I got that feeling too since he has avoided any kind of contact until the jail house phone calls. And why would his wife be so involved with AH? Its not like she is helping Misty by constantly reporting her every move and in a bad light. She even told that NayNay was still hanging with the croslins even before the fight broke out with Hank and Tommy. She watches NG and has to know NG always puts Misty in the hotseat yet she still informs on them WHY? JMO
Tex and Shock – Are the below statements that have been reported not true?
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Misty Croslin’s behaviour the night she reported her boyfriend’s five year old daughter missing from their trailer in Satsuma, Florida almost a year ago—that she had balked at babysitting Haleigh Cummings, and her little brother, JR, complaining she was just too exhausted after a three day binge of drugs and sex with party pals.
“She told me, ‘I didn’t want to even watch the kids that night because I was too tired from partying that weekend,’” her sister in law, Lindsay, told me in an exclusive interview Tuesday night that I broke on CNN HLN’s Nancy Grace Show.
Then, Misty related, Ronald Cummings mother, offered to pay her. “She told me, ‘Teresa (Neves) said, ‘I’ll pay you to watch ‘em.’ But I told her, ‘No, you don’t have to pay me, I’ll watch ‘em.’ Remember that weekend, she and Ronald were fighting after she came back, so she told his mother, ‘No, I’ll go home and watch ‘em if it’s okay with Ronald.’”
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When I say TN is guilty I mean she IS guilty of allowing her grandchildren to be around serious drug addicts, drug dealers and criminals. She MAY be guilty of doing something to Haleigh. She IS guilty of covering up for either her son or herself or an unknown someone. She IS guilty of lying constantly. The woman knows what went down that night, IMO. I agree with your statement that she is a “trained individual in LE protocal” which IMO makes her look even worse. I’m just sayin’!!! Even if the babysitting story is completely false, her actions and words, or lack thereof after the fact are to say the least suspect. Why is TN and Granny wondering around in the woods potentially destroying evidence? Like you said she’s a “trained individual in LE protocal”.
I know alot has been reported about this case, some true some not, but it looks to me like there’s a snake in the woodpile. JMHO
I just want justice for Haleigh, just like all of us. I want EVERYONE to be looked at, and to me TN sticks out like a sore thumb. I don’t know if it’s just because I’m a grandma myself but somethings not right about her. Again, JMO.
I still think the AC guy is the cousins EX and that cousin is Hope. He doesnt seem to get identified by LE either like its hush hush. Media never even got the name of the guy and thats rare they usually dig everything up. jmo
Tobias, I thought the same about Chelsea as well. Can you say lead LE elsewhere!!
G excellent post. See you all later. Gotta run for now. Have a good afternoon.JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!! Gods Speed.
Misty also says she gave the phone to the ACguy so Ron could talk with him. jmo
Especially after Mr. Kronk on the CA case, you would think the media would have talked with this AC guy. jmO
I have been curious about the AC guy as well. I have been reading posts for a few days and just finished listening to the podcast from the weekend. (I listened while I ran – wow – it really kept my mind off the running!!) Anyway, I have been thinking about everyone’s behavior the days immediately following the 911 call. I know that everyone grieves differently so this is just IMO. Ronald, Misty, Theresa and even Crystal look like they are mourning a death. If any of them thought she was still alive and out there missing – I would think there would be more panic and emotion. I know I would be so hyper – frantically asking neighbors, did you see anything? They are all holding each other, crying – but with a calmness – no fear, just acceptance. Oh well – that is probably off the wall. I just thought about it and decided to share my feelings. I am anxious for the truth to come out. I feel so sorry for Haleigh.
I thought that Grandma Hollars said that Misty offered to pay Teresa to watch the kids that night when they had the show down on Nancy Grace. That’s where I’m confused on that story.
They say no news is good news but it sure is awfully quiet down there in Florida.
I just hope that PCSD is getting all their ducks in a row and haven’t ran into another brick wall.
Justice for HaLeigh
Tobias – Exactly! Why wouldn’t Misty just talk to him. I guess we already know they were taking prescription drugs, but knowing if the “AC” guy was a drug connection or not would place the drugs at the house that day. This AC guy had to travel from Palatka to Satsuma, which according to Artic Air’s website they do service Palatka County which includes Satsuma, but it is still a long drive.
Hope can appeal her sentence… she’s got 30 days per news reporter!
Hey Guys!!!!!!!!!!
I do know that Ron and the kids had just moved in the trailer recently. There were still boxes everywhere that had not been unpacked. I remember hearing something about an AC guy that was cleared by LE. So, maybe it was as simple as a scheduled maintenance call.
I would find it hard to believe that LE would let something so obvious slip thru their hands.
I have always thought about the a/c guy too,nobody thought he was important imo because he didn’t have a formal name maybe,just THE A/C GUY~
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Anyone got any news on what happened in D. Snodgrass court today? Nothing on the docket yet. jmo
OMG! I have missed so much in just three hours. I will have to read like crazy to catch up. And then there are all of the homework assignments that I need to review— Misty’s Hypnosis, the Dueling Grandma’s (haven’t even watched that yet). I am so behind in this class! I am going to fail!!
Misty said on one tape that the AC man is a distant relative of Ronald’s so that may be why she let him talk to Ronald.
G said,in April 29th, 2010 at 10:59 am I am a grandma, and TN sets off the “hinky meter” immediately. *If some drugged out 17 year old girlfriend of my son’s (God forbid) called me after a 3 day bender and said she couldn’t watch my grandkids I’d have been over there in 2 seconds to get them. Would have never told her NO. (She knows what Ron & company are/have been involved in, with ALL his previous charges. If they were my grandkids they would have been living with me not Ron & Misty in the first place.) *The unthinkable happens, and now she’s suddenly Johnny on the spot with photo in hand and police jacket, etc., not to mention the problem with timeline. Stinks to high heaven!! *Now you have the 17 year old with inconsistant stories. OK, I would have got the story of what happened to my grandchild come hell or high water. (Probably be in jail myself for assault!) I would not be going on television shows defending her, nor would I be defending my son. I would want to know everything from everyone and let the chips fall where they may. *I would definately not be roaming around in the woods after a tip was given from “who knows” potentially destroying evidence. I could go on and on and on. She’s guilty as hell!! IMO. Where is she now? Haven’t seen her on TV lately crying and saying a whole lotta nothing!! JMHO
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I agree with alot of what you said,TN knows a helluva lot more!
And i know i would never refuse to watch my Grandson especially if his parents were partiers.at a moments notice i will be there and I hate to admit it but my ex’fiance would get aggravated i guess because he didn’t have kids and if we had plans he would be so aggravated b/c I’d keep my Grandson instead but he knew when we got involved my family always comes first! and he should have been mature about it! I loved to do things with him but my grandson needed me too!
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(((Everyone))))))) lol
I thought for certain we’d have some news by now!
so nothing new?? shewwww
I dont understand GGSykes going to the site and searching with TN. She keeps wanting to believe Haleigh is alive and says until they can prove it she wont believe it yet he goes and searches around the boat ramp? I dont think a live Haleigh is going to be there. jmo
I must keep missing you guys!!!!
Anyone know anything about the other missing Cummings girl?
other Adams????? I thought you were gone again,lol
Were the two g ma’s searching for Haleigh or watching LE looking for evidence??? Afraid of waht they might find?
other Adams????? I thought you were gone again,lol
BA, What other girl?
Good Grief…NOW who is missing? Please tell me they aren’t related to THESE Cummings!
another Adams,huh?
That got our attention.lol
Anyone have the stills from Hope’s court appearance? There were additonal pics of the group when HaLeigh first went missing. Orlando is in the photo… and a cousin of Ron’s was on the right side. I can’t remember her name.
okie222 said,in April 29th, 2010 at 2:20 pm Were the two g ma’s searching for Haleigh or watching LE looking for evidence??? Afraid of waht they might find?
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Good question Okie,havent looked the entire time,why now?
ronfan, if you’re still here, glad we agree on something, Johnny/Marty. I’m looking forward to talking more w you about that. The best explanations are simple but not too simple. I think the truth here is very convuluted. That’s why the “Joe and Tommy Story” is so preposterous. 14 months to get to that? Granny Hollars is just listening to Art Harris and maybe reading some, imvho.
Grandma Hollars called G-Grandma Sykes and shared with her the info that Tommy had given her during their telephone conversation and in turn, Grandma Sykes and Teresa went down to the river and searched before LE had even been notified by anyone. When LE finally started their search, GG Sykes and Teresa showed up questioning LE about what info that LE had received and failed to let LE in on that the 2 of them had received a call from Hollars.
HMMMMMMMMMMM………
Has anyone noticed that Ron’s sister Crystal seems to have fallen off the face of the earth? What’s up with that?
ronfan, so I didn’t get the difference between a snitch and an informant. Trying again, both a snitch and an informant are crooks, i.e. niether one is working undercover. A snitch is charged but not necessarily sentenced, or the sentence is lighter because of the snitching. An informant doesn’t even get charged, much less any of the rest of the procedure. Is this correct?
BA, Can you direct us to the pic? Is someone missing? jmo
Kate,she did that 1 interview that I saw on Greta and disappeared and to me that girl seemed odd!!!
Hey Tobias!!
Adams,whose missing?
Still looking… I think it may be a parent type of thingy.
My refresh is taking forever. I’ve asked on Twitter, I can’t remember the girl’s first name, last name is Cummings and she is in a group photo from last year.
Dang! I leave for awhile and when I come back I can’t make heads or tails of what is going on! LMAO….some girl named Cummings is missing, from what I gather no info on Snodgrass’ sentencing, something about pics from Hope’s sentencing, someone or someplace named Orlando, snitches vs. informants, the dueling grandmammy’s, the detective team of Neeves and Sykes, the Johnny/Marty conspiracy, the mysterious AC guy….all that and more and I’ve only read a couple of posts! LMAO PHEW DOGGIES! You all have been busier than a Croslin on drugs after dark in a neighborhood full of houses with unlocked doors and nobody home! LMAO
Is there another missing cummings girl? I have not heard anything on this .
Found one of the group on Jacksonville.com picture archives. There is a samantha cummings that is a teen cousin. She looks about Mistys age. Is this the one? jmo
give me 5 mins
The photo was taken after 3 days missing .
Can u put link up?
The only way that they could have kept quiet for so long is if they are all involved. They sink or swim together.
JB I think you’ve got it all. You’re up to speed!
If another Cummings is missing all they need to look for is another Croslin. Are there any still out on the streets and not locked up?
I went ot jacksonville.com- times union photos I put in Cummings and went from there to the 3 days missing photos. SORRY NO LINKS
Please do Not run with this.
/me too ole to run
Is this David Cummings daughter by chance? I have loked at his records while researching and he has alot of custody disputes and domestic violence.????? jmo
stillucy said,in April 29th, 2010 at 2:58 pm JB I think you’ve got it all. You’re up to speed!
If another Cummings is missing all they need to look for is another Croslin. Are there any still out on the streets and not locked up?
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I am sorry but thats just plain funny,rofl!
There is/was a Cummings missing… I can’t remember exact date or name… but I have asked around. I do remember thinking that it was odd that no one picked up on it. I will have to wait for the answer. But it was on Twitter.
Now, I’m thinking I shouldn’t have said a thing about it!!!!!
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 29th, 2010 at 3:00 pm Please do Not run with this.
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I’m running around my office with scissors in BOTH hands right now and YOU can’t stop me! LOL Nanny Nanny Nanny!
And if they don’t solve the Haleigh case soon I may start running with running chain saws! ARGH!
don’t worry Adams,you said not to run with it,i aint and i am sure no one else will ya know!Heck,I woulda flipped out and blabbed if i saw it!lol
unless someone is missing and it was someone trying to get those in jail,out of jail,lol
JB… put those scissors down now!!!!
guys,did they release new tapes of mistys ld tests and such? I thought i had read that somewhere but my bro is here and i geet on when hes asleep or gone somewhere but wondered!
B*A…you can’t make me, you can’t make me, you can’t…OUCH….DANG SCISSORS! Anyone got a bandaid…..or two? LOL 😳
LOL.. JB… needs band-aids!!
You all have totally lost it! We need a BOMBSHELL and fast!
Don’t we though Lucy? I didn’t lose it tho,Didn’t have it to begin with.lol
CathyJo – I haven’t seen ANYTHING new! No tapes, no nuttin’. About to go stir crazy waiting for SUMPIN’ to happen! All that activity with the search at the river and then nothing…..no arrests, no statements from LE, no press releases, no news conference, no nuttin!
Which means we’re stuck with NG’s BOMBSHELLS….*Breaking News – Nancy Grace finds a half eaten chicken nugget in car and shares it with Art Harris on LIVE TV tonight…and we’ve got the secret video recordings of her actually FINDING the chicken nugget! You won’t want to miss this!* Hee Hee Hee
JB,Sorry No Bandaids,but a maxi might work..rofl
I’ll hop right on my menstral cycle and head your way,lmbo
exactly JB,I have heard of calm before the storm,but this is ridiculous..the storm happened months ago!
Unless it’s a puncture wound!! Try the other thingy available.
Man I cannot get over her,you’d think she be atleast alittle embrassed for the bone thing………nahhhhhhhhh not n/g
maxi works if ya slice ye throat,rofl!
I cannot believe after Hoes sentence somebody didn’t tell all they know,ya know what i’m sayin’?
OMG Not Hoes…….Hope
I read the post below last night – been checking over there every so often but nothing has been posted. I hope there is something of substance! I agree with everyone – way too quiet.
Art Harris Says:
April 28th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Jennifer–
Appreciate so much your feedback and kinds words. Working on some scoops you might like…Maybe one up tonight or tomorrow. Art
shux,if it was me that told that story and the cops dedicated a lecture to me,I’d still be on the lam.rofl
OMG,I’ll take it,Art Harris,Bozo,Scooby doo…..who cares just give us sommin to hang onto!
CathyJO – nah, you were probably closer when you said “Hoes”! LMAO….
ROFLMAO on the maxipad solution to my scissor incident! I’m sure my co-workers would love that!
Correct me if I’m wrong but, wasn’t Casey Anthony hung out to dry by the Grand Jury on all the lies and inconsistencies in her stories? Does PCSD have so little on this bunch that they have nothing to take to a Grand Jury or what?
This just seems like a bunch of idiots have played a horrible game at the expense of this poor little girl and they’re winning at this point.
“…Teresa told Greta that she thought HaLeigh was probably just hiding UNDER the bed or something…”
Ahhh… the mattress was on the floor!
*BS* Alert!
sounds like a lot of screw ups to me Lucy!
JB said,in April 29th, 2010 at 3:39 pm CathyJO – nah, you were probably closer when you said “Hoes”! LMAO….
ROFLMAO on the maxipad solution to my scissor incident! I’m sure my co-workers would love that!
I’m sure i was closer JB,LOL but didn’t wanna be the one to say it first,lmao!
Sara Jane – IN Parent said,in April 29th, 2010 at 3:41 pm “…Teresa told Greta that she thought HaLeigh was probably just hiding UNDER the bed or something…”
Ahhh… the mattress was on the floor!
*BS* Alert!
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Not necessarily a BS alert. There were other beds in the house that was on a frame
Sara,I swear to God i have always wondered about that?? Even ronald did!Misty too!
Denise,no.cause the mattresses were taken off,i may be wrong but in the pix of the trailer they were gone!
Someone said in an interview that there were beds on the frame in another room in the house so whoever was in the house seen other full beds in there
but the back door was open with a brick holding it and even ron said he went looking in closets and under beds first,lol the backdoor was the 1st place ron should have went when Misty told him she looked inside?
I will try to find out who exactly said it
I cannot argue so i dunno,just my understanding denise,sorry!
Ron has been ruled out by the police they said they do not suspect him
and to be honest i allways wondered why TN brought the pic of Haleigh if she thought she was hiding?
I think it may have been the reporter that was in the house for Nancy Grace but I will have to go back and try to find it.
”..difference between a snitch and an informant…”
I think and informant is an approved documented and paid snitch…
Whereas a snitch, hopes what he tells on another will get him out of ‘todays’ jam!
maybe so but i still wonder why he did not go out that door?
I think they just wanted to believe she was hiding and hoping this was a nightmare and not really happening I couldnt find my daughter one day and my head kept saying this is not happening she has got to be somewhere… well I was lucky and she was at the neighbors house w/o asking me but that few minutes of not knowing seemed like a dream I can totally understand them all thinking they would find her somewhere you never want to think this can happen to me
bro is back,bbs as i can get here,lol
Huggies!!
Jan please delete my earlier posts… I’m looking for that info.
I dont care how trashy these people are they have lost their daughter and grandaughter and maybe its just me but I felt that Ron was showing raw emotions when he called 911 and Teresa has showed nothing but sorrow everytime Haleighs name is mentioned I feel so sorry for them.
The “Hoes” statement, priceless!
If there were actually beds on frames, why did Teresa not show those when she took NG on the video tour of the trailer? You would have thought that she would have tried to play the CYA game and she didn’t.
That always stuck with me from the very beginning.
There isn’t even a sign of a breath anywhere out there about this case, not anywhere. You would think that someone would be screaming about poor little Hope or something…..They are all scared to death right now.
Did you guys know that Teresa’s sister, Hope’s mom, owns a tree trimming business? You know, big mulching equipment. Just a little bit more info………Another hmmmmmmmm thing.
Stilluey – ohh… dude, that is just wrong… wrong… shades of Coen Brother’s Fargo!
StillLucy – Casey Anthony’s lies were so easily proven to be lies….her job (lack thereof), her nanny’s apt (which was vacant), the call from Caylee (no record on phone log), not to mention the smell of DEATH in her car.
This bunch in the Haleigh case are career criminals and their lies are more subtle. Still make you go “HUH?” but you can’t quite pin them down or prove it to be a lie. They’ve covered their tracks MUCH better than MS. HOT BODY CASEY ANTHONY (In her dreams). LOL
I’ve always thought TN was genuine. I don’t think she’s involved. Her or AS. While I’m on a role…neither is CS, or MG. ‘I’m going on a trip and I’m taking something with me.’ Hmmm… doesn’t everyone take SOMETHING with them on a trip.
TN and g-gm AS are very genuine… but remember that TN had her kids taken away and placed with gma AS… she is no prize.
Parenting is sadly lacking in Satsuma… somebody missed their ‘Life Skills’ class in 4th grade!
I’m sure a million things were going through TN’s head when she heard Haleigh was missing. By the time she heard, maybe RC asked her to bring a picture. She was probably hoping Haleigh was just hiding. I wish she was just hiding too. 🙁
If you know you are innocent why would you need to play CYA game???
Denise…I don’t care if you live in a mansion or in your car….as long as you take care of your kids and do your best to keep them safe, then you’re alright in my book. So this has nothing to do with how “trashy” they are. It has EVERYTHING to do with their lifestyle (and yes, rich people do drugs too). They put these kids in danger and cost Haleigh her life. I CAN’T and WON’T excuse any of them. Every single person in Haleigh’s life saw what was going on (i.e. the drug use, the fights, the criminal activity, the selling of drugs, etc). Not ONE of them stepped in to protect these kids. They turned a blind eye to what was going on and that makes them ALL responsible and guilty in my eyes. JMO.
IF they had done what was right and gotten their acts together they wouldn’t HAVE to be mourning the loss of a child right now.
Shock…I wish she was just hiding too. 😥
I hope Annette Sykes isn’t Sarah or Susan. Think about what her initials would be. 😉 I’m all over the place today.
Nobody is arguing that all Im saying is the man went to work and left his kids with his girlfriend when he came home one of his kids were gone he may not be citizen of the year but his kids were safe at home when he went to work he is not responsible for Haleigh missing no one has an excuse to hurt/kidnap a child just because Ron did drugs doesnt give anyone the right to come in and take his daughter
JB – ohhrah!
I hope Annette Sykes middle name is not Sarah or Susan. Think about what her initials would be. There, that makes more sense. LOL.
All of the lies, the lifestyle, the timelines, the inconsistencies, the relationships, the suspicious actions and activities, it’s all just a bit too much and the fact that it was all at the expense of this little girls life means absolutely nothing to any of them is so totally unbelievable. It is sickening.
The wood chipper thing just came up today. Might have been a little TMI. Sorry just got caught up in the moment. It’s all so Mafioso like. A bunch of pretend thugs acting out. Trust me, I’ve seen worse.
LE should give Ron another poly. He may have actually passed the first one BECAUSE at that time he DID NOT know the truth as to what happened to Haleigh. However, I find it impossible to believe that he STILL does not know what happened to her. Common sense says he WOULD GET the info from Misty, and I do believe he knows everything NOW. Give Ron another poly.
Ron and Misty have both tried to distance themselves from concrete blocks, denying that such blocks were on their property, despite pictures to the contrary. Reminds me of how
the Ramseys tried to distance themselves from the ransom note. I do believe concrete blocks
were used as weights when evidence, or little Haleigh herself, was tossed into the river.
Denise….let me ask you this…day in and day out we see these “mothers” with druggie boyfriends….the “mother” goes to work and leaves some druggie loser they’ve known a couple of months to watch their kid and that kid ends up molested, beaten and hospitalized or missing/murdered. What is the first thing everyone says…..”WHAT WAS THAT MOTHER THINKING LEAVING HER BABY WITH THAT CRACKHEAD?”. Is it any different because in this case it was a man leaving his children with a drugged up teenager that couldn’t take care of herself, much less children, and who had just returned from a 3-day drug, sex and alcohol party? I THINK not! It was RON’S responsibility to find appropriate childcare for his children. He left his kids in her care KNOWING what she was like, KNOWING she was hungover, KNOWING she didn’t even WANT to babysit, KNOWING they had just had a very heated arguement and EVEN AFTER he had called and called and called and couldn’t get Misty to answer he didn’t bother to leave work to check on the kids…wasn’t even in any hurry to get home as he stopped for smokes, beer and peanuts for Pete’s sake. Ron CHOSE to have Misty watch his kids. She was NOT suitable to watch those kids but his choices were probably clouded by his OWN drug use. So, while you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I will not dispute that….MY opinion is IF Ron is not somehow involved, he is STILL responsible for putting those kids in danger. AGAIN, JMO
Ron’s kids weren’t safe at home before he went to work. One of the stories they told LE was they got high befor Ron left for work. What’s up with that. Now they can’t even agree on who picked HaLeigh up from the bus stop. They are so tangled in their lies, they don’t even know that. Who left who safely at home with who when who went to work? Does anybody know?
JB I dont know if you know Ronald personally and just have issues with him but we have all heard that Misty was not strung out the day he left his kids with her yeah she had been out all weekend long on drugs I think he felt that was an issue between him and Misty. Everyone has said that Misty is the family babysitter for everyone and all the kids loved her so why would he think that anything would happen. You cant live like a nun and expect a prostitute to live the same way as you do. He did drugs his self and so did Crystal so they people they around do drugs too. He left her with Misty just like he had in the past. One more time: The point is Ron went to work just as he did every day before that and did not expect that someone would walk into his home and take his child. Even if he was drugged out of his mind in the house if someone comes into your home and steals a child without you knowing it is not your fault it is the person that took the child’s fault.
I am surprised there isnt a new post on what happened in the Sndgrass case. He had a court date today for pretrial. Nothing new yet on the dockets either. I want to see this SO put away and I am sure Cobra and others do too. jmo bbl
I didnt agree with the Van Dam’s lifestyle but that didnt make it there fault when there neighbor kidnapped their daughter
Stillucy…and in the Cobra tapes we listened to recently they talked about Ron flying up to the bus stop and sliding sideways (great way to drive around kids) and then Ron talks about how Haleigh rode on his lap and helped him drive home…(again, completely against the law and unsafe). If they had been in an accident Haleigh would probably have been killed. No telling what other reckless behavior Ron engaged in with his children. Always drugged up and high around them. Druggies trapesing in and out of the house. All the fights….guns left carelessly about for kids to find…like in the culvert. We’d all probably poop our pants if we knew HALF the things these kids went through, heard, saw and endured with both Ron AND Crystal (not to mention Misty and clan).
Denise…this isn’t a case of stranger abduction. Haleigh was killed by someone close to them…someone Ron included in their lives. Misty and her brother admittedly got high THAT evening with the kids there….they state it like it is no big deal. If Ron had kicked Misty to the curb instead of letting her return, those kids would probably have been with one of the grandmas and we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now. Ron put DRUGS and his appetite for underaged girls before the needs of his children. I fault him just like I do all these mothers that leave their kids with these maggot boyfriends who have horrible criminal records, just got out of prison, slap them around and openly do and deal in drugs…and they STILL thought it was safe to leave their child(ren) with them and the kid(s) end up dead. That is CHILD ENDANGERMENT plain and simple!
Im not explaining the point of my posts again I have said it enough already and you obviously want to argue with me. I understand you dont like what I say so just move on and ignore my posts
If a mother dates a RSO and her child gets molested we blame the mom for dating a creep and putting her children in danger. This is NO different.
That is absolutely different!!!!!
Denise…I’m not arguing. You addressed a post to me and I responded. I’ve said you are entitled to your opinion…I’m just explaining mine.
Everytime I come on here to see what is going on you are arguing so as soon as I seen you reply to my post I knew what was going to happen.
Oh whatever. You posted to me, I responded…like others did. I even stated you were welcome to your opinion…I was just stating mine. I was not arguing with you…just giving you my opinion after you shared yours. I didn’t say anything any different than others did but I’m arguing. Okie Dokie…as I said…whatever. I thought we were discussing opinions. I won’t “Discuss” anything with you again. So sorry. Sheesh.
that would be great!!
There were some witnesses that stated that Misty picked up HaLeigh from the bus stop. More inconsistencies. That’s where I’m going with this. They can’t keep anything straight.
It’s always been a double standard for men and women in all aspects. I agree with you, JB, completely. At the very least, Ron is totally quilty of endangerment and neglect. Along with his history of statutory rape.
I personally believe that Crystal kept her mouth shut about the abuse because she didn’t want to take the focus off of HaLeigh and it really pissed off her Mom. That’s where Geraldo came in and spiced it up. I think that Crystal just wanted the focus to stay on HaLeigh but she knew something had happened to her daughter and there was no going back.
polly klass – stranger abduction from bed
jon benet ramsey – stranger abduction from bed
elizabeth smart – stranger abduction from bed
HALEIGH CUMMINGS – STRANGER ABDUCTION from bed
the parents of these children were all asleep in the house like misty was!
Misty has been telling the truth from day 1!!
She woke up and haleigh was gone..period!
danielle vandam- stranger abduction form bed
jessica lunsford- stranger abduction from bed
I have heard Tim Miller is an alcoholic does that make him responsible for his daughters death?? I think not!!!
OJs’ Glove meet Denise. You 2 are on the same page. Like minds, think alike!
I can see I’m gonna need some back up here. IMO
there was is a older lady named cummings
that missing since 1995
NAME: Dorothy Bell Stewart Cummings
Reported missing: 05/14/1995
Last seenat the Coral Landing Assisted Living Center in St. Augustine, Fl. She walked off from the property on 05/14/1995 and has not been seen since. She Was 81 years old at the time of her disappearance
stillucy said,in April 29th, 2010 at 5:22 pm OJs’ Glove meet Denise. You 2 are on the same page. Like minds, think alike!
I can see I’m gonna need some back up here. IMO
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stillucy, count me in with Denise and OJs Glove.jmo
stillucy said,in April 29th, 2010 at 5:22 pm OJs’ Glove meet Denise. You 2 are on the same page. Like minds, think alike!
I can see I’m gonna need some back up here. IMO
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I believe its “Great minds think alike”
Well,the way i ee it is he knew misty did not want to and he made her babysit so thats alittle different to me!
His own mom wouldn’t either so he should have had a hired babysitter who wanted the job and Haleigh was a special needs child too,alot for a young girl who wanted to party,jmho
yes it is “Great Minds Think Alike” oj’s glove!!! lol
The big difference between those cases mentioned and Misty would be that Misty cannot keep her story straight, because it is fabricated.
yes it is “Great Minds Think Alike” oj’s glove!!! lol
but i don’t blame him for doing what he’d always done before.but if i have a problem with it,that was mine!
True Pinky!
sorry for the double post. I just wanted to say that I think Ron wanted Misty to babysit because he knew she would go off and start using drugs again and he wanted her to stay home. I think the last thing he thought would be something happening to Haleigh or Jr. Im sure that Teresa did not want to interfere and told Misty that she would take them if Ron was ok with that. She has to respect Ron’s wishes he is their father. Im sure hindsight is 20/20 and they would love to do things over that night!
right but if he did it b/c he wanted to hold her down then thats wrong!imo…..made her resentful maybe but he nor anyone knew what would happen,just sayin is all…….imo
bbs
JB said,
in April 29th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
“Dang! I leave for awhile and when I come back I can’t make heads or tails of what is going on! … You all have been busier than a Croslin on drugs after dark in a neighborhood full of houses with unlocked doors and nobody home!”
LMAO ROF!!!!!!!!!!
stillucy said,in April 29th, 2010 at 11:07 am Teresa told Greta that she thought HaLeigh was probably just hiding UNDER the bed or something. It’s all too strange. The video is on YouTube. That’s what caught me by surprise. Why the supersonic speed trip and the photo and lying to get access to the scene and bringing the photo if little HaLeigh was just HIDING?
She’s covering for her son. That’s the only explanation. She certainly wouldn’t be covering for Misty or her family.
I think that PCSD is probably starting from the beginning and looking at everyones’ involvement. Because they are all involve to some degree and that poor little baby paid with her young life for it. May they all rot in prison or hell whichever comes first.
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Again another “hinky flag went up”, the mattresses were flat on the floor ao she would have to be flat as a piece of paper to hide under the bed……..
I’ve seen a lot of “hinky flags” in this mess. IMO Can’t forget those 3 little letters.
JB missed out on just a little chatter today.
Too funny.
Still really quiet out there. Haven’t been able to fine any new news.
Justice for HaLeigh
“The quality of a decision does not depend on the outcome; it depends on the use of the information available at the time the decision is made.”
Hindsight is 20/20. We can’t evaluate Ron based on the fact that something terrible happened to HaLeigh. We CAN evaluate Ron based on the information that he had available. We know that 1) Misty was high on drugs a lot 2) Misty was only 17-years-old, 3) Misty did not want to babysit and and and…
SO Ron made a poor decision by choosing Misty to care for his children. Not because something terrible happened, but because he did not make good use of the information available at the time the decision was made.
Whoever harmed HaLeigh is directly responsible and should be held accountable.
Ron made a mistake; person(s) X (and Y and Z) committed crimes.
Yeah, Lucy, so hard to tell if we are “back at the Mondex” (combination of the ranch search and the pond draining) and there will be months of silence like before—
Wait, no, Tommy and Ron go to court again May 13. Something will probably happen in the next two weeks?
No funeral plans, though. Hinky meter off the charts, everyone in the family has hope now!!! (Except Hope, of course, although she has 30 days to get it together.)
1) Annette Sykes said that Misty was no high that night
2) My daughter was babysitting when she was 17yrs. old
3)Misty didnt want to babysit does not mean that she would intentionally hurt Haleigh… it meant she wanted to go back and party some more so how does Ron take that Misty doesnt want to babysit will lead to Haleigh missing???
Crystal did say on her Myspace page that her and Ron are not making any funeral arrangements. Another story that was floating around that was untrue.
I thought for sure that Lindsey’s trip to the northeast to visit Timmy and Chelsea was to break some news in person about what’s up there in Florida with Tommy. I think they are so scared to talk on the phone. Afraid of being recorded. His attorney has been acting too giddy for Tommy not to have given something of value up to PCSD. IMO
VELMA: Jinkies Scoob, This case is Hinky!
Scoob: Rooby just want a Rooby Snack. Pwease Velma Pwease Hehe hehe he he!
VELMA: Maybe Shagg, has one Scoob !
SHAGGY: Geee, Scoob.. Like ya had one just a few minutes ago. Can i finish my Gator Giblets Buddy ‘ol Pal !
SCOOB: ROH K ,Raggy !
SHAGGY: Man, Scoob, this Florida is hotter than Tabasco sauce on a triple decker Scoobified Sandwich! … and man , like this Satsuma is giving me the HeebieJeebies !
SCOOB: Hehe hehe he he RUH ROH !
JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH…is a matter of time! Hello B.N.N
Denise, first and foremost, I am partially agreeing with you as I am partially agreeing with just about everyone. It is a bit complicated and needs to be teased apart. I think that what you are saying is basically, “Don’t blame the victim.” And I agree. If someone makes a poor choice and a crime is committed against them, it is still a crime against them and the criminal is still fully responsible, not the victim.
On the other hand, the victim perhaps could have made better decisions and avoided the crime. This is not to blame the victim but to empower her or him and others.
My step daughter was raped and killed in southern Mexico 1-1/2 years ago. She was trying to find a hotel at 10 pm at night and accepted an offer to be guided to the hotel by a strange man. Did she make a poor decision? Yes. Did she deserve to be raped and killed? No. Is the murderer guilty? Yes.
VELMA: Turn on your ‘ Hinky’ meters, we got some work to do !
SHAGGY: Yeah, like what she said , Scoob!
SCOOB: hehe hehe he he !
OJ’s glove said,in April 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm polly klass – stranger abduction from bed
jon benet ramsey – stranger abduction from bed
elizabeth smart – stranger abduction from bed
HALEIGH CUMMINGS – STRANGER ABDUCTION from bed
the parents of these children were all asleep in the house like misty was!
Misty has been telling the truth from day 1!!
She woke up and haleigh was gone..period!
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Call me crazy, but I don’t think Jon Benet was actually abducted as she was found in the house, the other cases LE was able to remove the focus from the family (except JBR) and move on to other suspects because the family cooperated and the stories weren’t full of gaping wide holes, this case is different as they haven’t been able to move from that inncer circle of those family, and ho’s in Satsuma. What a darn shame
Stilllucy: Count me in with Denise and Oj’s Glove too.
So with respect to Ron and Misty—
1) Annette Sykes said that Misty was no high that night.
No, but she was that evening, she says so herself, when Tommy stopped by with his kids and they smoked a joint. But, I will agree with the words of a fellow juror on a double murder trial, “When you bent, you bent; when you high you still know what’s goin’ on.” So even IF she was influenced by substances, she may have been capable of being responsible for the children. I’ll give that point.
2) My daughter was babysitting when she was 17yrs. old.
I was babysitting when I was 10-years-old. I’m not necessarily saying that Misty was too young to be babysitting. When you combine it with other factors, though, it is something to consider.
3) Misty didnt want to babysit does not mean that she would intentionally hurt Haleigh
No, absolutely not, I agree. Just because Misty didn’t want to babysit does not in any way mean that she would harm HaLeigh.
Add to the mix the idea that Ron probably didn’t have very good choices. I think it was you, or it could have been someone else, who pointed out that Ron and Crystal and Misty are just like everyone else in HaLeigh’s life. And that is exactly the problem. Children need better people in their lives. All children. I think most people would agree with that.
Where we differ is whether we punish those people or support those people. I do believe they deserve support, not punishment. Pragmatically, though, we just aren’t able to change some people so that they can be good parents. Hopefully we will get there but what do we do for now?
OK, I’ll get off my soapbox now.
Just because there are a handful of children who have been abducted from their bed by strangers who’s parents were co-operative and cleared does mean NOT that every care taker is telling the truth or innocent. LE has NOT cleared Misty due to inconsistencies and numerous failed polys. Just because “she” says she was sleeping does not make it fact. Since now we have learned that was a lie and now she blames cousin joe and he raped haleigh while misty took jr to the bed and hid. IMO Misty Croslin and the “truth” are strangers.
as far as Hope Sykes goes..it’s about time they started cleaning up that drug infested satsuma. Hope knew what she was doing and had total disrespect for herself to be there in the first place as well as the law.
Her crime is her crime and she was sentenced to mandatory minimum. How is that unfair? I don’t see any unfairness is giving her the m.m under the law.
Let’s hope that shakes up the co-defendants memory as to what happened to haleigh Feb. 10 2009. I’m sure that the state of Florida would gladly cut a deal to finally lay that precious child to rest and receive justice in return for a lighter drug sentence. HALEIGH IS WORTH THAT A MUCH MORE.
I think LE should start breaking balls and ripping off fingernails to find Haleigh .
and a mandatory sentence of 15 years for what hope did is what needs to be…it’s not too much time when what you get in return is perhaps people thinking twice about doing what she did. Hope is a very aggressive and mouthy young lady who knew what she was doing. If we give these people …KIDS…a break what message does that send to young kids who will follow in the drug cycle? SELL OXY AND GET CAUGHT..you’ll only do a few years. Will that stop the cycle? NO, but knowing you’ll do a m.m of 15 might!!
carrie – they are..just the legal way. Misty prob. has no nails left after the sentencing of her co-runner..le has tommy and misty where they want them and I do believe they left mistys’ trial date for the drug trafficking to the last for that purpose. Each one before her will get more time then the last. I bet Misty “sings” before her June 3 trial date!
Carrie, indeed. I wish that every person on BOTH sides of HaLeigh’s family could be put in “protective custody.” They all need to be alone and think and start talking. I think that different rules should apply if the crime is against a child. Some of the “rights” of this country need to be put aside because the end result is that the child has no right and no voice. Completely wrong.
hello, iv never posted here bofore, but i have been fallowing the case since the begining(not as closely as most of you), and reading blogs from time to time for a few months now. I was watching mistys LDT video again today and, i notices that sometimes when the camera zooms out farther from misty you can see the results of some of the questions asked, they either come up “truth” or “subject not sure”. I dont think its very important, but a fun fact i wanted to share.
VELMA: Why don’t you two check the local strip club to see what you can find.
SHGAGGY & SCOOB: Like, Right On , Man!
…. (New Scene)ENTER THE CLUB…
SHAGGY: Wow Scoob like theres lots of chic’s in here . I’m Diggin it!
SCOOB: WOOk over there Raggy, It’s FWED !
SHAGGY: Like Fred o’l Pal what are you doin’ here. … And like, DAPHNE!? …Wha-Wha-What are …you doin here!
DAPHNE: He drug me along. He said it would be good for the relationship.
FRED: Hey, take a look at that one Fella’s.
SHAGGY: Like it’s whiter than a Ghost!
SCOOBY: D-D_DID you say GHOST!
SHAGGY: ZOINKS, Scoob !!!!… R_UUUUU_N !!!
… a few minutes laters…
VELMA: Your Huffing and Puffing ! It looks like You’ve seen a GHOST !
SCOOB: (Huff-puff) it was a MWONSTER!
SHAGGY: Huff- Puff) Yeah, man. Like… it had 3 chins!
—–End Scene—-
C~A, good point about Misty singing before her trial date. And I agree with you about Hope and her 15 years, too. She is totally not getting anything about what it means to be a member of society and community and all that. Her mother seems to be giving it a decent effort, at least in the infamous phone call, and Hope could give a rat’s a**. She needs to be “held” until she matures. Or maybe she will come out worse than she went in, like she claims—
My higher self is telling me to stop ranting and think this over. The really sad part about all of this is that these “adults” were where HaLeigh and ButterBean and Chloe are now when they were kids.
Teresa didn’t raise Ron, GG Sykes did; Marie didn’t raise Crystal, either, if I recall correctly. When we say that HaLeigh didn’t stand a chance, neither did any of her “elders.”
What will break the cycle?
Any BOMBSHELL news from Nancy’s face today? or the same BS as always?
I look forward to the day when the people responsible are punished. I cannot even imagine going through this. So, I hope somebody, probably Misty sings.Poor Haleigh
Like the family, I still hold out hope that she is alive, but with a better family.
Kate, if she is then I hope she stays there. She’s better off to be declared dead and live a new life.
Beast, I couldn’t agree more. When the dust settles I hope they send ButterBean and Chloe and the rest there, too.
When the sun starts to go down, this becomes a very mean and scary place…..IMO
Nancy Grace says Breaking news on Haleigh Cummings Murder. Is this another Bombshell or for real?
Misty Croslin
skank ✔
liar ✔
addict ✔
loser ✔
pig ✔
ugly ✔
guilty ✔ ✔ ✔
CNN is reporting that although investigators are still working on the case for recovering HaLeigh’s body, no new breakthrougs to report. So, just alot of NG’s hot air. Thanks for the alert thought. It was worth checking out.
Lucy, this forum becomes mean and scary after the sun goes down, or Putnam County?
I’ll read answer tomorrow; gotta’ catch some zzzzzz’s!!
ms peridot sorry I missed your last posts.I have always thought that you were a nice person & would get along with you.I agree with your posts that I have seen too.
Either last week or the week before that, this site said they were going to get the NEW videos of the Jailhouse crew, what I want to know is WHERE ARE THEY<<<ALREADY????????? These might have been the ones right before the St Johns river was checked…..Did you get them and forgot to put them on here so we could listen to them??????????? I know I was not dreaming when I read,,,you would have them the very next day….WHERE ARE THE LATEST VIDEOS OF THE JAILHOUSE BUNCH,,,,,,,PLEASE
I will …uhm..quite smoking forever if haleigh ann marie is found alive and well…never smoke again..a life long habit gone if my heart could be mended and find that haleigh is living life and laughing as she deserves to be..
How entwined and desperate we’ve all become for just a little bit of information about this little girl.
But, the smoking thing, I’m not going that far.
Nancy Grace’s website is trying to stir the pot but there is nothing out there that I have been able to find as of yet. Still looking though.
yup, weez desperate; no intelligent life in sight
Intelligent life here (or so I like to think), so, has the sheriff’s dept. gotten back with the Cummings family on that funeral they are to be planning I mean, what’s going on, guys?
Former FBI Brown, where are you? You know exactly what happened, right? Will they not let you talk?
lynny, love your post!! FBI Brown, you know exactly what happened… oh, but no evidence. Darn.
Crystal is saying on her Myspace page that was not true. Her and Ron are not making funeral plans for little HaLeigh.
Nancy Grace’s website is claiming that Art Harris is preparing for a big break but I think that could be like, whenever……Aren’t we all. She’s just looking for ratings. I’m looking for justice. And I’m sure someone in HaLeigh’s family is looking for closure.
They should have given that sorry piece of white trash the full 30 years.15 years is getting off easy.
Yeah, I don’t think I’d plan a funeral— I mean, memorial— if all I had was rumors of bricks and yellow rope and Granny Hollars yelps.
How much you guys wanna bet a Grand Jury has handed down an indictment?
I’m thinking maybe that’s not out of the question. That would give a DA plenty of time to actually build a case and make deals off of testimony that’s been sealed from the investigation. They’ve investigated thousands of leads and interviewed hundreds of people according to some facts and statistics that I’ve read. At this point, anything is possible.
Even Art Harris has been very quiet the last few days. It’s eerie.
And then there’s Tommy’s attorney’s actions last week. First he quits, whoops, then he’s back again. Go figure.
It’s really quiet here, well everywhere…….
I see a dad,at the beginning a young dad,who won custody for more of a reason than just the mother having her mail sent to the wrong address,an missing,or being late for a court date.
We have a dad,who paid his bills by working.Raising his 2 children he got custody of.He didsome illegal stuff,an imsure today now sober,wishes he hadnt!!!!.the man looks like hes hit the bottom now,an is looking more an more to me like hes suffering from depression,the starches fed in jail makes many gain weight,the running the roads ,an drug uses,now over,hes stopped at a dead,stand still.an he doesnt look well to me.He lloks swollen,for some reason.sad.
Ron being head of his household,an raising his babies he had to make sure his bills were paid.Rent,lights water,food,phone thoses pills off the top
He had to keep a transportation to get to work,pay truck insurence.Gas to,an from work
Buy school cloths,pay school fees,buy school supplies.
He had DR bills,Hospital bills,dentist,meds for Haliegh,a lot of hospital stays,an dr bills for just her.Because of the Turners syndrome,an Astma
All their christmas ,easters ,birthdays.He did the dad thing,an bought gifts,we see this from pictures.
Hes coloring eggs with both children,at the beach with them,fishing with Haliegh,playing with her,christmas with them,putting the christmas tree up with both his babies.
A dad holding down a job,here at the beach child care is $135,a week ,For one child,age plays a part in the amount.So for 2 how much would that be with houshold bills food,gas
No help from the other Parent ,12,000 dollars behind in child support(paid now,hey only after Haliegh went missing,an some one else foot that bill).Thats many months worth of money for things for the children.If she had been a man/ Ronald would have went to jail.Finally after Halieghs gone she has someone step in an pay it.So she didnt get punishment for not doing what the courts ordered her to do.
By chioce Crystal could have stayed in Putnam,like she did at the HBC,after Halieghs is no longer at home..
She could have rented her a little trailor,an babysat her own children for their dad to work,so the children could be with one parent,or the other.He had to work to support them,for them to live..
Tereas,im sure drove like the wind,knowing about situations, from her training ,to do with the job she had,knew what to do in a crises.She has wept,sobbing,all emotions bared for all,her pain was visible,an i believe she loves her grandchildren,they had been with them completly sence Haliegh was around 2 ,an butter bean was about 6 months old.He had been living with her before that with the babies,back an fourth. Not many of todays dads would have taken them,fought for them,provided for them.
On the other Hand Marie,has showed very few emotions from all the news,an interviews,videos i have seen.she seems somwhat hard.I dont remember seeing her sobb,as if she just wanted to die because little Haliegh was gone,an thankful JR wasnt taken to.I look for emotions to be shown at a time like taht,when tears,an pain should be seen on their faces,thats what makes so many tragdy photos.Like the little forign girl,about 10/12 yrs old running in the streets with other children from bombing going on behind the she was running naked,that photo by a man covering that time.It took me into her little world,an showed the pain,fear that was surly on all the people that day,but those precious children were captured,an it was avmoment in time from a photo ill never forget.
It made me take notice,an want to pray for them.so when i saw TN sobbing,hardly able to speak,my heart wept for her,with her,so much for the grand daughter she was weeping for.The sorrow,an pain i saw on that womans face,ill never forget.Marie showed very little emotion,it could just be her way,how she was raised.But anyone here losing a grandaughter like that ,would show signs of being tore up.
Marie said on video when news reporter was speaking to them in the beginning.MG said Crystal, an Ron dont get along,but Crystal over rode her mother an to the news person, crystal said that her an Ronald got along fine.MG with her hand on Crystal,made a pressure,movment with her hand,as i have saw her do many timees sence,like Cindy did George ,a form of controling what they say,hand on knee,pressure,if saying to much.
After that video,all hell broke lose,in the middle while people were still searching for her daughter Kim,did a about face with her,Marie always hovering,in control.Kim tried to change Crystals image from a addicted lazy mother,to a now cleaned up working at HBC woman who was abused,an so were her children by the dad who took sole coustdy of them,no fault of mommys.
Didnt fly with me then,an still doesnt,i said when she first got JR back she would get caught eating pills as soon as she got comfortable,an i was right.An now shes once again awarded for her behavior like when her 12,000 was paid,no punisment for it being so long unpaid for her children,an she didnt spend one dime on it.Shes now awarded rehab Thearpy,for her an jr,an all her close family MG was telling us all about it.,an all the fringe benifits that go with it,no punisment for failing,or refusing those drug test.
When i was raised we only got rewarded for good behavoir.OPS shes grown ,an its the state thats awarding her.,an disregaurd for the DCS,an Judges rulings I find i cant point the finger at just 2 families in this case,at just one parent.However i am greatful the state is finaly helping sombody in that God awful drug filled town.
Just what if when the state ,school when it found out Misty had dropped out,if they would have stepped in,she may not be in jail,her young life gone down the drain before it got started.Haliegh may be home in bed tonight,if she would have learned life skills,was educated,an didnt depend on drugs to take her through life,drown her sorrows, fears. Haliegh may not have been baby sat by her that night,or have been missing,because Misty wouldnt have been living with a adult man with 2 children.
She would have been in school,dating,getting ready for spring breaks ,proms.She was robbed of what many take for granted today.Haliegh may have grew up just like Misty,living with older men,uneducated,may be even on drugs as her parents have been.Or pregnant before shes even out of her child yrs.
What if she an butter bean,had been placed in a decent home,raised schooled safe where no drugs guns,an illegal activity would have been allowed.Just what if.Its to late for wishful thinking,an seeing wrongs ,because none can go back to 14/15 months ago,or before.Its over the baby girls gone,if dead,or tucked away,dead is the likly factor.What about Ron jr,what will he be taught,what will he grow up to be ,do ,will he be exposed to drugs,as Putmnams still full of them that busts with UC state supplier of most of the pills sold,or in possession,how many big time dealers were over looked,not busted,because UCs time was spent on those 5 .Why not have taken down, spent time on getting,real dealers of opieds meth crack,coke dog food (herion ),
Will Jr be exposed to that life style one day where hes at?.Is he really in the best place for him,raised by the best people ,to raise him,an teach him values.I do worry about that little boy. If those around Misty,Crystal,any young girls there was struggling from drug addiction,at such a young tender age.Just what if those in athority would have cared enough to help a young teen in trouble.Wonder what Misty, Nay Nay,others would be,where MC may w be,an if she would have had the chance at a normal lifestyle,placed with loving, decent foster parents,could she be a good girl working,educated,an not been babysitting that night.Why was there no help for Misty,the Mistys of the world????? .
I truly hate the favortizum showed from one ,against another.When this could have happened in any one of those homes who had children DCS went to Crystals,Tommys,an Rons an did nothing,an all those babys were exposed to their parents drug abuse.One it been told of her being born with drugs in her little system,an nothing was done
Im sure when Ron left Misty that evening for work,he never dreamed, he would come home,an no baby girl there,Sykes who i respect,an believe said misty acted normal,not bombed,she was feeding the children at 7/730. 9O calls not beliving it,20 calls maybe.
An they will have to get on the hump to make me believe,Mist hurt a child out of meaness,or envy,just not buying that.Accident maybe,an paniced cover,but her murdering Haliegh i dont believe it,Not saying a man couldnt have,woulnt have,or that she could hve gotten in to a stash,an ate a pill,but she would have spit some out tooo bitter an children chew candy up..Children loved Misty,an many say she love children.even Halieghs mother,Ron mother gg gand ma,an other said she was good with those babies.they loved her,an she acted like she did them,family childern,nieces an nephews act likk they love her.
Praying for all three familys
Im like Mrs Sykes, i will believe Halieghs deceaced, when i see evidence to prove shes deceaced,an not hidden away some where.Cinder blocks isnt going to get it with me.DNA,bone proof.Not rope,an blocks that could have been planted.If deer bones could be found,an ,one bone of hers could to.Although thats a mighty big murky river.Have they searched the other 3 wooded places Misty showed Tim Miller many months ago????
I wrote this not in bashing but in rememberence when i think harshly of the others,or just Ron,Mistys side,i went back,an remembered these.Remembering much from them,as well
Oh brother. That’s not much but but we’ll take what we can get.Lol
ty lucy
I think this is the quiet before the storm. Ron and Tommy are supposed to go to court on the drug charges on May, 17th. Isn’t that right? We should know if anyone has made a deal, or not, after that.
His next exlcusive will be about another Croslin(male) changing their .
Gosh. Misty pointing her finger right at her brother and her lawyer believes her. Tommy says it didn’t happen and his lawyer believes him.
If I had to bank on one of the two telling the truth, I’ll take Tommy for $200, Alex.Lol
It’s pathetic.
Ron and Tommy go to Court on May 13 and Misty goes in June.
No big breaking news. Same ole, same ole. Everybody pointing fingers at everybody else.
And the plot thickens………..
Jan 57:
I wouldn’t be in any hurry to have a memorial until I was absolutely sure, either. Unless, there is a death insurance claim to collect on, I can’t see it. Of course, they need closure, but they aren’t going to have closure until they are sure of something.
I can’t quite figure Tommy out yet. He’s either going to say Misty is the killer/Haleigh died on her watch and Joe got rid of the body or Joe did it.
Remember what Crystal said when she came out of the meeting with LE. She said Joe killed my baby.
For some reason, I can’t believe Tommy did it, but he may have helped get rid of Haleigh’s body to help Misty in some way.
We still haven’t heard anything from Misty’s lawyer. I wonder why. We didn’t hear much from Tommy’s lawyer, either, until recently.
I didn’t know she had said that. I read on her myspace page, that whatever she was told they are going to have to prove it to her.
Have any of you ever had dreams about this case?
Karon – I agree with you on this.
Random – Yes more like nightmares.
I haven’t had any dreams about this case. I have had dreams after seening one 48hr segment about another case.
Hey friends, don’t forget to watch Casey in court tomorrow morning!
I have mostly been unable to sleep if I think too much about it. I have to think about the players and not about Haleigh, too much, or I can’t take it.
My nightmares seem to include bits and pieces from several different missing/murdered children.
I think hearing Gma H stories contributed to these.
How about you Random?
ty Lynny for the reminder because I had forgotten.
Sometimes I get precognitive dreams, like when my daughter died, I had dreamed it three weeks before. Looking back it’s really creepy.
Sometime in late January or February, I wanted to focus on something besides my own misery, so I came here one night and was reading and when I went to bed I prayed that if she was dead, to be shown if she was in a dry grave or in water.
I dreamed that night and posted the dream a few weeks later (it’s in the archives well before any of these new tidbits of info came to light).
I was shown a forrest, or a set of woods and a very friendly lion chased my away. I was then shown a child playing the game hangman on an easle. Then I was shown empty beds, a bare leg (from the knee down) and houses by water.
When it came out about the cinder blocks and rope I about threw up – it’s really close to hangman, the way it was described to us. And at the time, I thought she was in the woods at the beginning of the dream but was chased away by the friendly lion (Jesus tribe of Judah). Now I think I was chased away because she wasn’t in woods – she is water, like that at the end of the dream.
The bare leg has me stumped. I know it means something but I don’t know what.
I really think it is almost over. We will know some answers soon. At first, LE said Misty went to the river in a spirit of cooperation, and I think she did. I think Tommy went because he was cooperating, also. Later on the sheriff talked like they didn’t get anything from Misty, but I think they did. I think he didn’t want the other suspects to know Misty had talked.
That is what is making this case so confusing. Even LE won’t tell us the straight of it, yet. They will, soon, I suspect.
Random, I am so sorry about your daughter!
Thanks hope. It means a lot.
Karon, I think you are right. It’s winding down and the dirty secrets are coming into the light.
When I go to sleep and I am praying for justice I picture Haleigh with Jesus smiling and laughing.
Random Thoughts:
Maybe she was in the woods, but they were afraid friendly people would come upon her. So they took her to the water.
The bare leg may have been someone had rolled their pants up, hiding something near the water’s edge. It is just a thought.
They claimed, at first, to have found some evidence at the river. That was the night Tommy went out there with them.
Random Thoughts:
I am really sorry about your daughter, also.
I think it was on Blink on Crime that I read LE was looking for the blanket. They could have waded out and hid the blanket uner a large rock so it wouldn’t be found.
thank you, karon.
When this is all over, we will be following the trial. That will probably take a long time.
I would think that LE would have to have some form of evidence to call this a homicide.
Random – it is probably really scary when you do have dreams like this.
Hope:
At first, they said they found some evidence at the river the night they took Tommy there. They haven’t mentioned it since, but I think they found something.
I read on another site that when they woke JO up, he didn’t have his shirt on. He may have had to ditch the shirt(if he was in on this) down by the water. I wondered if Tommy took them to the shirt or a weapon that was hidden.
This is just some thoughts.
I just don’t get the JO thing since they have said it was him all along.
We all know what happened to Tommy’s and Timmy’s boots, Lyndsay said on those jail audios that she got rid of them. That spoke volumes to me. She wouldn’t have added Timmy’s boots for no reason. I know I wouldn’t dare throw out a man’s workboots. That is just not done.
I know and why would she mention TiC boots at all? Wouldn’t he of needed them when he moved out of state?
Hope:
Yes, they did say that, but they didn’t want to add any details so that LE could arrest him. They knew, if they said it was him for sure, LE would want all the details and their parts in all fo this would have come out. I think they all, including JO, had too much on everybody else. I think several of them were involved in getting rid of HC body, and I think illegal drugs made them all keep their mouths’ shut. IMO
I wonder if she wanted LE to look at the boots
Probably more involved that aren’t even in jail yet. IMO
Hope:
I hadn’t thought about something like that until you said what you did. She had been pushing him to tell the truth and to get with LP to take that LDT. She could have been working with LE, and she could have said that to get a reaction on tape from him. Somehow, I doubt that, however. I think she got rid of TC’s boots to help him. Maybe, she was letting him know she and Chelsea got rid of TOC’s boots and TiC’s boots, just in case there was any evidence on them. I don’t know, but that was an important remark. To me, one of the most important remarks in this case. She may wish that she hadn’t have given that remark.
Hope:
Alot of people know something, but they don’t know everything, yet. I hope the wives, mothers and grandmothers don’t get brought into this and have charges filed against them. Someone has got to raise the kids. They better tread lightly from here on out.
wasn’t that at the same time she said something about walking the dog (not the exact words) but very odd remark that did not fit into the conversation.
Hope:
Alot of people know a little, but they don’t know everything, yet. I hope the wives, mothers and grandmothers don’t get brought into this and have charges filed against them. Someone has got to raise the kids. They better tread lightly from here on out.
I finally caught up with you guys. LOL! I took a 2 day Holly-Day and WOW! Have you guys been busy!
Per the TJ slip o lip and Cummings not happy about it…..it was about something told to a child advocate about HALEIGH….not MG….the MG vacation thing was sort of smoke screen. The Cummings were upset that the advocate revealed that there was a possibility of Haleigh being molested due to her acting out in ways that were sexually based. (Allegedly) Makes more sense, right? Why would the Cummings be upset over TJ revealing MG’s vacation or anything she could have taken with her?
Hey all, I just saw that apparently the big news about to be delivered by NG/AH is that Misty was taken out there to show them if it was the same place where she told them that Tommy showed her he disposed of Haleigh. New article on the AH site.
Hi HGM, how are you?
Hope:
She said she was going to send that dog to Mass. in a box. Didn’t she? Was she meaning she was going to send something else in a box to Mass.? I do think part of the time she and TOC are talking in code words.
Hi HGM:
Is it on AH, right now?
Karon,
I hope they are not involved in it at all. IF they are involved, they need to be held accountable.
There are such odd things happening on this case. Just like the pictures of Hope and family during sentencing and, then, all but one disappeared. There was a news clip, also. RC was on it and Hope’s family. I couldn’t find them the next day.
Ideed, I mean, I was wanting to watch raw video from it, why no video? (At Hope’s sentencing)
My user name seems odd now “Hope”. I was hoping for a lot and didn’t even think about Hope being involved in the bust. LOL
I just feel this whole thing is so sad. I have my doubts there was any intention to kill Haleigh, but the kind of lifestyle these kids were leading would never give them the common sense to go and actually tell police what happened. I would question whether they are that unintelligent as it seems to me they have played LE for a long time. I doubt it occurred to them not to at any point.
I do feel sorry for Hope as this sentence is long one and will probably not help her at all to overcome her lifestyle. However I think they deliberately gave her this sentence to scare the rest of the clan into talking about Haleigh.
I don’t know how the US system works but surely Hope can appeal? My guess is the judge gave the sentence knowing another judge might reduce it on appeal?
What a sad and sorry mess.
Lynny:
There was a video. I saw it that evening. Then, it disappeared, and I couldn’t find it.
Hope:
I know they all need to be held accountable, if they knew and hid the truth all this time.
The court may have requested it not be shown because of it being a bad influence on the public about Haleigh’s case. Apparently, there was a disturbance from her family. One person rushed the camera. I didn’t see any footage of that, but we may someday.
Hello!
I saw a video of the court hearing…I’ll look for the link…
This is a sad sorry mess. That is a sad sorry atmosphere to have children in the middle of it. So many people out of control.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Cummings-cousin-sentenced/QldgA9NLZE2LXR0ACf45Lg.cspx
HGM:
I hope you can find it.
TY for your info, something also curious, although NG mentioned this outburst, we don’t know any details like Who.
I am also looking for the APril 13 report from local news team where the reporter on scene says she saw Misty’s attorney, Mr Fields with Misty when she came to the dock…maybe on the 14th…I’ll post when I find it.
NG said Hope’s family nutted out(as she put it), and one of them went at the camera. I suppose they blamed the publicity for such a stiff sentence.
It looked like RC was wiping a tear from his eye in one of the pictures. Her mother was real upset. GGma Syke’s was crying.
Here’s another Hope Sykes video
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=37633@wtev.web.entriq.net&navCatId=5
Interesting thing is that out of the few people shown, I only see women there for Hope’s sentencing. Out of the woman shown I recognize Hope’s mom Katrina and GGMS. Maybe TN but not sure. SO, which one of these “ladies” would have threatened a camera man? Hmmm?
Here is a little snippet, but it isn’t as good as I saw the other night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN7SPleFxCc&feature=related
hello everyone, i wanted to say hi and ask a offtopic question. does anyone know what happened with snodgrass this week?
also: April 28th, 2010 at 6:45 pm i posted a link about the hs video newsjax had. does that link not work anymore to find those two videos?
i will try and put in the titles and see if they will come up.
Hi Ms. Peridot:
I don’t know about Snodgrass. I hope he got what was coming to him.
The newjax video has been shortened quite a bit from what it was. I don’t know why.
okay the link works, you have to put “haliegh” in the search box (without the quotes) and it brings up their news reports and includes tidbits of the court procedure.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=37628
Haleigh Family Sentencing
Hope Sykes Sentenced
i don’t remember if in video’s or in pics posted they did show a young man that was there for hope. plus i thought a man next to him.
hey karon, i really hope soon the truth will finally be coming out.
i read your comment earlier about not thinking tommy hurt haleigh. myself, all along i kept wondering why i never “felt” tommy hurt haleigh? my head would wonder, but, i always dismiss it. now, i tend to think werter has me convinced, because, he seems convinced. but, who knows? is that some kind of lawyer game? i really don’t think so though.
HGM:
There were some men there sitting in with the family in the pictures and videos that I saw, but I can’t find them anywhere, now. There were 10 pictures and one video. It didn’t show the part where someone rushed the camera. There was a young man there. It could have been him.
Msperidot:
I know Tommy can be selfish, but I still can’t see him hurting Haleigh. People do things on drugs and coming off of drugs that they wouldn’t ordainarilly do, however. I believe every bit of this was caused by drugs, in one way or the other.
I believe Tommy would do anything to help his sister out of a jam, and I think he may have helped get rid of Haleigh’s body. He adores Misty. You can tell it by looking at him. She treats him like nothing, IMO.
karon, i really agree with your two last posts
http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=29159798&event=988854&CategoryID=57821&picnum=20&move=B#Image
those 10 pics are still there
MsPeridot:
I think they are talking, and that is what LE was waiting for. With no body, they have to be careful and build a good case. That is probably why it is taking so long.
well i for one can be patient.
i listened to ng on sierra1947. i thought jim werter’s comments so interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/18/AVg3Jqm7yow
karon or anyone here if you have any comments?
here is the transcript
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/27/ng.01.html
i am wondering if the count werter is still is waiting on has anything to do with tommy getting a deal for information if it turns out to help le?
oops i meant to include mr werter speaks around the 2:2o.
well if anyone has any comments i will check back later. good night everyone.
Good nite. Msperidot
good night karon. i hope everyone is having sweet dreams tonight. no nightmares!
Good nite everybody.
Jan 57. As a father of 5 I don’t much like the “todays dads” comment. One could also make a similar comment about todays mothers. For example Casey Anthony, Susan Smith, or Elizabeth Johnston. I dont imagine there are too many dads that are as immature and into drugs like Ronald Cummings. I’ve never seen the like of him before. Should be an interesting day in the Anthony case. Cant wait for the new judge to lay down the law.
Morning all… Did I miss anything important?
Hearing starts in an hour
Dr. Ronnie should have been out looking for a real job and looking for his precious child not selling rx drugs on the streets with the ONE person that likely knows where Haleigh is. The only explanation to that would be that Ron himself knows where she is himself. Compare it to Casey Anthony. She never went out searching for her child because she knew full well where she was. Same thing here IMO>
I read somewhere ( think it was here on the body language speech analysis article) that ronald never speaks of haleigh by her name. Only says “my daughter”. Indicating a disconnection from her. Makes sense to me. Also an indication he knows she is dead! Very interesting.
Same thing with Misty…one of the very first interviews she speaks about Haleigh in the PAST TENSE. “I LOVED HER LIKE MY OWN”..very telling!
C-A…what is more interesting is that Misty corrected herself and said “I loved her…love her like my own”
good morning beast,
when i was a child, it was acceptable to make jokes about beating your wife or your kids. (and when it really happened people just looked the other way.) it was considered to p.c. to correct that kind of talk. but, some people persisted, saying even talking like that is wrong. today no one talks like that. or at least i never hear it anymore. and today i think many husbands and fathers treat their wives and children better than past generations did. i think in many ways each generation does really get better. well that is what i see.
but, there are some things that have seemed to get worse. drug abuse for one. i am not sure that it really has gotten worse, but, it seems that way. (my son, told me that through out history there has been drug problems.)
if you are from r.c. generation, well i too know many very responsible and kind and decent people. both men and women. 🙂
have a wonderful day!
r.c generation? Not sure what that means unless you are talking about Ronald. Drug abuse seems to be a lot worse today than when I was younger. Pot was the thing in high school, but even that was here and there. The drugs are much more dangerous and addictive today. It is very easy to slip in to addiction. Trying the drugs at a party and liking the feeling can quickly lead to addiction if it is always around you and there is nothing else to do. Some kids feel pressured to “fit in”, especially in small towns. If the home life is full of conflict provides another reason for an escape and once that path gets travelled it is very hard to turn around. I do not subscribe to the theory that if their was abuse in the home as a youngster then as an adult the person is likely to repeat what they grew up with. For example my dad was an occasional “abuser” and was physical with my mother. But I on the other hand could not ever hit a woman. p.s not quite double r.c’s age but gettin there 😛
here is the link for the hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/23316595/index.html
beast, aha. i could not guess your age, i wondered. so you are old enough to have children rc age. so am i. when i saw your post i could not help commenting, because, sometimes i think it is easy to be aware of what is wrong with the next generation. (which after re-reading your post, i realize i read into what you meant. sorry!)
i too have the same perception and experience about the drug issues. recently i said the very same thing you posted above to my son, as my own opinion. he loved history when he was in school. and he mentioned things have not really gotten worse. that through out history their have been times when people have had to deal with various drug addiction issues in a very serious way. i in no way want to minimize the current drug problem.
i truly am hoping when the new florida laws kick in about how doctors can prescribe some of these drugs, that will be a start for improvement in the availability on the street.
i have not been following the c.a. trial, but, i really am hoping for the correct outcome there. well, i really am going this time.
beast and everyone have a wonderful friday!
♥haleigh♥
Well, according to AH (and I believe very little he says until it is confirmed through a RELIABLE source like TJ, Simon and Jan)….Tommy took Misty to the dock and pointed out where they dumped the body about a month before their arrests on drug trafficking. Tommy is supposedly denying that account. I had to chuckle at one of AH’s comments….”stories seem to change faster than the swift currents of the St. John’s River.”….UH, AH…the St. John’s River is a LAZY river…it moves VERY slowly..can even flow backwards at times! LMAO
He ends the article with “Next: Another Croslin changes HIS story”….And that is a newsflash? The Croslins change their stories more often than they change their socks! Just curious if they are talking about TIMMY this time. Tommy has already changed his story MANY times. Hank THE MAGIC MAN Croslin has stuck to his story…”I was in the hospital man.”
God bless Art Harris but, this is not really breaking news. We already knew that Misty was throwing everyone around her under the bus while she stood by and watched it roll by.
What we don’t know is, what happened to little HaLeigh to involved all of these people in disposing of her body.
That would be breaking news. And at this point, I’m not sure if we ever will.
I had to limit my time here last night, it became a scary place once the sun went down.
Art H. has a new article and it says Misty said Tommy took her took a dock in December to show her where they dumped Haleighs body. Tommy says this did not happen.
Chelsea told G. Holler about Shell Harbour initially. That came out on NG last Thursday. I am starting to think perhaps Misty may have said something to G. Holler, not Tommy.
Good Morning Stillucy! It was getting a little frightening here before I left work! LMAO
Yes, I’m sure (or at least hopeful) that AH means well but DANG, his News Flashes are as lousy as NG’s Bombduds! I want someone to tell me something I DON’T ALREADY KNOW! Something that will give me a sliver of hope that Haleigh will at some point be laid to rest and receive justice!
Stillucy, Misty has thrown everyone under the bus except Ronald and Timmy Croslin.
Good Mornin’ LFJ…yeah, we were just discussing AH’s latest bombdud article. Did you see the last sentence of the article? “Next: Another Croslin changes HIS story!”. Has to be Timmy. It wouldn’t be news for Tommy to change his…been there, done that. Hank was in the hospital….that leaves Timbo….aka: Mr. Hide in the Shadows and let my wife do all the talking. LOL
Yea, but it’s Friday and NG will treat this like a BOMBSHEL and be all over it tonight.
I just don’t see Tommy taking Misty to the dock and saying this is the place. Sorry. Misty is still deflecting LE away from facts concerning what actually happened to HaLeigh.
I’m leaning toward believing Tommy’s attorney just because, he did quit and then came back once Tommy realized he meant business.
This may sound gross but, body disposal or mutilation of a body after the fact charges are not as serious if you were not involved in the death of the person. Especially, if you cooperate with LE. I still think that Tommy is their best shot whether we like him or not.
There is some reason LE changed this from a missing person case to a homicide case. I mean come on they are not going to take Misty’s word. Because everyone knows Misty tells the truth about as often as Tommy brushes his TEETH. I’m being mean today. lol
JB I think G. Holler got her info from Chelsea. Perhaps G. Holler was just suppose to appear and help make people believe it was Tommy and Joe were involved; not Misty. The questioning may have overwhelmed the ole granny and she started talking too much and that is why Chelsea felt she had to intervene on NG. That is where we really found out who told G.Holler about the specific area to search. It was none other than Timmys wife, Chelsea Croslin. I wonder what else Chelsea told G. Holler that caused her to call Annette Sykes and sent AS and TN out searching those woods. We don’t really know if they found nothing. Did they know what they were looking for? Man if they reveal somehow Ron is involved then he will tell if Timmy was involved? Is this Chelseas panic? JMO
Why isnt there some news on Snodgrass yet? He was supposed to be in court for a pre trial 4-29 why no news on this scum bag? jmo
Chelsea was probably the one who started the lets blame Joe because if it wasnt Joe then it had to be her hubby that took the van. Seems she was the one giving facts out like Joe slept in his clothes and the keys were moved and the van was parked wrong. All of these are just her story and were probably a lie to cover for her husband. jmo
I don’t understand the sympathy card that people have for these criminals here in this case. Have they not listened to just the facts involved, the tapes and I mean all the tapes? I don’t get it. They are all involved in a cover up of this poor little girls death at the age of just 5 yrs old due to their drug lifestyle and they could care less. This is the epitime of take no prisoners.
I believe Tommy and Timmy got rid of the body because they thought Misty was the killer. Now whether she was or not is still a mystery since we dont know how Haleigh died yet. jmo
Chelsea says something on NG like I have only seen Granny H two or three times since I’ve been married to Timmy. Why would she say that? Granny didn’t say anything about her or Tommy to my knowledge she only talks about Misty,Tommy and Joe. Maybe Chelsea was afraid that Granny was going to get info that Timmy was involved. So she stated all of that because she is afraid granny will then get on NG and tell a story with Timmy in it. who knows……
Wasn’t Timmy at the hospital with Hank Sr? I thought the hospital thing played into their alibis somehow.
Tobias: Check the county jail custody for info on court appearance for that snodgrass,there should be something there,updates
Tobias, Tommy could of helped dispose but Im just not so sure of that yet. He definitely has knowledge; fact, but to what extent? Tommys lawyer seems like he has every reason to believe his client. I wonder if they gave him a second poly on his story and he passed.
I have there seems to be nothing changed in his court docket. jmo
Only Hank Sr. and Lisa Croslin were in Gainseville, fl. @ Shands hospital on the night Haleigh disappeared.
Just because Chelsea has only seen G. Holler 2 or 3 times in 7 years don’t mean they don’t have a long distant relationship by telephone.
Good Morning to you, JB.
I caught your struggle yesterday and you stood your ground! Great job!
I had to fly under the radar last night.
Gets a little mean and scary when the sun goes down. Must be vampires or something……….
Oh yea, IMO
LFJ, I believe when they asked him the questions some came back as true and others came back as false so its like he failed but still told some truthes. Like if he knew where Haleigh was could have come back as a lie then he said he did and it came back as true.
Like when they asked Misty why she had doubts about Ron 45% lie she had to explain and I think it still came back as a lie. AH said he failed when he had none of the results which was wrong. jmo
I have a question. IN fl if you pass a LD test can that be presented on court?
And if they asked him questions about Joe ,like did Joe kill her he could say yes and it would be a lie. Since we dont have the questions we cant tell what he was lying about yet .the oppisite of a lie is the truth.
Did misty hurt Haleigh.. no…lie did you help misty …no…lie did Joe hurt Haleigh..yes lie. that would fail him. jmo
I believe that’s a federal statute and it’s only admissable if the defense brings it into evidence for the benefit of their own client to prove innocence but primarily if you would pass, a prosecutor would not file charges against you. Did that make any sense?
Tobias I agree with that scenario of Tommys LDT. I believe it was an assumption of Arts do to the fact Werter did not come out screaming he passed! I think they were setting up on taking Tommy to the location and they did not want it leaked the truth had been told so they could get all their ducks in a row.
Still Lucy
Thanks!!! yes that does make sense.
So like if Tommy failed the first test and then was given another and he passed. If Tommy lied the 1st time and failed and then told the truth the 2nd time would only the passed one be allowed in court?
Peter Hyatt’s facinating analysis of the 911 call:
http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
Stillucy – Well, I’m determined to “stand my ground”. I spent the first few months that I blogged here (read for a LONG time before I ever posted) being hen-pecked, told what I could say, told what I could think, and flogged for having an opinion. I don’t put up with it anymore. I didn’t think I was being disrespectful to Denise. I told her I understood she had her opinion and I was fine with that. But she asked questions, posted TO me and then barked at me for responding! LOL Okie Dokie. I meant NO disrespect to her at all! I apologize if she thought I was disrespectful but I won’t apologize for having my own opinion and speaking my mind. No more dog house for me!
Where and when were Misty and Tommy put in the back of the police car together and transported? There is something to that because they were being video and audio recorded during that little “visit”.
From my understanding it was at Shell Harbour after they took Misty to the dock that afternoon. Then they rode back together to St. Johns County Detention center.
stillucy – my understanding is they were brought to the station for questioning (individually) on the same day Misty was taken to the dock. They were placed in a police car together and driven back to the jail…
Dang…we need a new article…this one takes days to refresh….anyone having probs?
JB, Have you heard the latest spin Misty is supposedly saying Tommy drove her there and told her thats the place in Dec.. Funny cause she told TM about that place on her list and Ron talks about it to Cobra. LOL They sure can back pedal but we all heard the taps and they all knew that boat ramp was where she could be (emphasis on the could part). jmo
This also could be why they asked residents if they had seen the van there recently. Seems no one has come forward to help Misty out on her recent lie. lol jmo
Tobias – yeah, I read the article at AH which states that Misty has NOW said Tommy took her to that dock and pointed out where the body was dumped about a month before they got arrested for drugs. Obviously she FORGOT that she had already pointed LE to that spot, has mentioned numerous times as well as Ron mentioning it….so I DON’T think she just found out about it a month ago. She has ALWAYS known what happened to Haleigh….IMO
KY MOM: If his attorney chooses to bring in the one that he passes to show Tommy’s place in this terrible mess then, the attorney opens it up for the prosecutor to bring in all the ones that Tommy has failed to show that he lied. So it could backfire. It is a science and not all jurors are comfortable with them, LDT. So, it could be a double edged sword. The polygraph exam is a tool usually used for deals between the defendents and prosecutors. That’s what this case will probably use them for according to Tommy’s attorney. His attorney keeps referring to the polygraph as a tool only if, you listen to his interviews he repeats this over and over.
JB: I’m with you. I base my opinions on what I have derived from the given facts. Research, it’s right at your fingertips…..No pity parties here. That Hope Sykes got just what she deserved. Now, let’s see what she does with it. You know they are squirming now. I just hope that Ron and Misty are sentenced to each charge consecutively and not concurrently.
That’s where NG is getting the 100+ yr sentencing info from. Not that I’m a fan of NG but, I want some kind of Justice for little HaLeigh and if this is the best that PCSD can do with all of these liars then, so be it.
Did you catch the stuff on here about Crystal, Jr, Chloe, and HaLeigh early this morning? OMG.
Tobias – I think it is Misty’s way of minimizing her involvement…trying to say she didn’t know about the dock until recently…to explain her silence all this time…however, her silence has spoken loud and clear. To me it indicates her involvement….she has known all along.
Did you see where AH says “NEXT: Another Croslin changes HIS story”. Has to be Timmy IMO. I wasn’t aware Timmy had a story…well, not unless his wife okays it first! LOL
I admit that I am now completely facinated by speech analysis. I am thankful that Peter Hyatt came forward to offer his opinions about this case.
It makes me wonder if some people are more prone to “listening” to what people are actually saying than others?
It appears that this sense more in depth and complicated than most even easily/readily imagine it to be.
O/T?
And then it brings me to think about our other senses. If what we hear can be so complicated then what about the things that we see, hear, feel, taste etc? Or imagine the combination of all of the above?
I know this is a sensitive subject to some. It fascinates me. It seems to explain a lot in a language that I can easily understand yet it still does not explain exactly everything.
I am interested in taking a class on this subject.
Stillucy – I skimmed over this morning’s posts….I was too skeered to read all of them! LOL
I don’t like to see our BNN family divided and I don’t like fights but there were two bloggers in particular…both started with “M” that used to pound me relentlessly. I won’t back down to EITHER of them now and call them on their bullying when I see it….of course one of them has been MIA for awhile….hmmmmmm
I tried being nice, I tried basically “sucking up to them” (which is SO not like me), I tried humor, I tried everything and nothing worked. So now, I just tell it like it is, speak my mind and let the chips fall where they may. 🙄
On all the tapes, Timmy hands the phone to Chelsea and lets her do the talking. Nice to see who wears the pants or boots in that family.
That boat ramp and river have been in this case from the very beginning. No breaking news there.
JB: My computer is running slow refreshing this blog, too.
LOL JB! So you think that timid Timmy might have soething to add? That would be very interesting to say the least.
Mornin’ Tuff…Yes, it fascinates me too but I got a brutal blogger noggin’ floggin’ when I posted about it! LOL
I read everything on Peter’s site and I was mesmorized by it all. It was really late on a weekend and I was exhausted but I couldn’t stop reading. All the stuff about the Anthonys was spot on! It ALL makes sense to me. TRULY fascinating if you ask me. So I’m with ya! We’ll probably get pummeled for saying it though! LMAO
What do you make of Lindsay taking the trip to visit Chelsea and Timmy? It seemed odd she could afford to take the kids on a vacation. Do you think they just wanted to get their heads together and work out their story as to what happened?
Tuff – Well…it has to be Timmy that AH is talking about. Not sure how reliable the source is but we KNOW Tommy has changed his story over and over and over…I wasn’t there, I was there, I don’t know anything, Joe did it……Hank was at the hospital so that leaves Tiny Tim and his crutch (aka CHELSEY). LMAO
Why are these women, Lindsey and Chelsea, letting their husbands taking the fall for Misty? I don’t get it. They have kids to think about. If they didn’t have anything to do with HaLeigh’s death, they need to talk.
Lindsey may be even a weaker link than Tommy unless they have all kept her out of the loop too. Maybe she should have 5 minutes alone with Tommy. Did anyone hear anything about that? I heard something, somewhere about Lindsey got a visit with Tommy and his attorney when all of this broke.
We haven’t heard to much from Leonard Padilla. I wonder what he’s been up to with this case?
Miss Betty – I’m CONSTANTLY amazed at how Chelsy can come here and Lindsey go there…while on welfare….Lindsey’s kids didn’t have beds but they can travel to Massachusettes?
And yes, since the dam appears to have broken the truth is finally springing forth, probably time to “circle the wagons” and make sure everyone is on the same page. At least, that is my vote as to the reason for the trip….JMO
JB you won’t get pummled by me. I enjoy blogging with you. You make the atmosphere so pleasant. Your sense of humor is awesome.
I feel if their is anything to learn then please teach. The more info that we can learn to help understand what these folks are saying is welcome.
stillucy – yeah, I remember hearing (not sure where…but probably NG/AH) that Lindsey supposedly threatened him with divorce if he didn’t come clean….now, we have no way of knowing if that is true or not…so I’m not quoting it as gospel….
Padilla is the money man behind all of this. He said on Levi’s show that he has been putting money in the Crolin’s commissary accounts and on their phones.
Funny he didn’t say anything about Ron’ accounts but did say that he had changed his mind about trying to bond Ron out of jail.
I think he paid for Lindsey’s trip to see if things would come to a head. Padilla said that Lindsey was really mad at Tommy.
Whoops, JMO!
LFJ – thanks…. ((((HUGS))))) … I enjoy blogging with ya….and sharing the bloggin noggin floggin’s with ya as well! LMAO
stillucy…I remember in one of Misty’s jailhouse calls she was telling her family to “take LP for anything he’ll give them”….I wanted to smack her across the room. I’m not the biggest LP fan but the man has done a LOT for that family and for her say that is very telling of how this bunch operates. They are all users, liars and thieves. People TRY to help them and they just use them and continue on their merry way. Makes me SICK!
Thanks JB (((( HUGS back at ya )))).
LP could very well be the money behind all of this. If so spend away LP so Haleigh gets her JUSTICE!!!!!!
stillucy – I’m not so sure Tommy and Timmy are innocent or are “taking the fall” for Misty. I think they all have blood on their hands….I’m just not sure which one was holding the murder weapon and who was on “janitorial” duty. They’ve kept quiet because ALL of them are guilty of something….IMO anyway.
Could be Hank Sr. has changed his story on the doctor shopping. He was pretty scared of going to court with this bunch. He probably is going to plead out and hope for the best? Hey he cant find a job, lives in a one room dive with Lisa, has almost run out of unemployment,
Jail could start to look like a good alternative.jmo
Padilla also said he offered Ron 1/2 million dollars for the search for HaLeigh and Ron told him no thanks they didn’t need it.
Stillucy, I heard him say that on Levi Page show. Why would anyone with a missing child turn down help like that? I know I wouldn’t.
NG has Rons butt covered why would he need LP?
Speed dial and I bet good old Shoemaker is one of NGs pals or a pal of a pal. Funny how people like Ron and CA get these top attorneys to go pro bono for them. And if Ron is so innocent why does he need such a great lawyer?
Misty doesnt have a high powered attorney just Mr. Fields. jmo
Stillucy / LFJ – regarding LP and the money for the search….again, actions speak louder than words and Ron turning that down says a LOT to me. People wonder why we think Ron is guilty of something, even if it is just the cover-up…well, DANG, what are we supposed to think when he does stupid crap like that? ANY parent would take ALL the help they could get! Unless they didn’t want too many people nosing around, poking their nose in your business for fear of what they might uncover!!! JMO
Tobias – we can only hope that at SOME point NG will take off her “Rosey Ron-colored glasses” and see Ron for what he is! A teeny bopper boinking, lying, loser of a drug dealer!
Wow JB – that about sums it up with Ron! LOL
JB you are right!! There are so many strange things that Ron has done that No grieving parent would of done.
Thats why I cant watch her I am afraid I may throw something at my new flat screen TV I got for my birthday. lol She really rattles me when she says she looks at the twins and knows how Ron felt when he came home from werk and Haleigh was gone WRETCH…JMO
Anybody watch NG last night? Anything of any value on her show last night? I didn’t get to watch and haven’t read the transcript. Just wondering…I’m SO ready for some NEW info on this case. UGH!
Well, IMO, it was too soon after HaLeighbug went missing, just a few days. Padilla said he and his team were down there within days after her disappearance. I think, IMO, that Ron knew with that kind of cash and the info that was out there along with Padilla’s street smarts, HaLeigh’s little body would be found and then CSI hello…….. Evidence of the crime and suspects would be arrested and maybe just maybe one of those suspects might be the one that turned down the 1/2 million dollar offer for the search, Ronnie boy. Of course, IMO.
I think NG has backed off on her support of Ron somewhat. She hasn’t stopped slamming everyone else but, she isn’t so quick to go gaga over him these days. It’s more of a moot subject. Too many experts and not just the attorneys are against him.
Good Morning JillF…welcome to the Ron-o-Rama! LOL
Tobias – I really do try NOT to watch NG…usually stick to the transcripts…but haven’t had time to check them out today.
LFJ – what I can’t figure out is why EVERYONE doesn’t see Ron for what he truly is. I have REALLY tried to see things from others’ perspectives but I truly struggle with that one. If they have followed this case closely and have really seen, read and witnessed Ron’s words and behaviors, how could they NOT find it to be HINKY at best?
For some reason Rons arrogant head tilt has gotten to me from the beginning. I tried real hard in the beginning to not let it affect me but everytime he does it I ask why so arrogant when everyone is looking hard for your kid? Some cases never make it on NG or anywhere out of their local area. jmo
I know some say that Ron loved Misty more than Haleigh. I don’t see that. Ron needed to keep Misty happy and close to make sure whatever the truth might be. Ron only loves himself. He only worries about covering his butt. He was only doing whatever he felt he needed to do and hoped Haleighs case would just go cold. Misty was just another puppet to Ron. What a shame!!!!
NG was on something else last night. A missing nurse. I had the volume off. She was bashing law enforcement.
Is this the same Horace Gibbs that was photographed at Hopes trial?
http://www.myspace.com/194957501
I dont see love there either I dont think he can love. I see a babysitter for free, a mule to go get his drugs, a sleeping( to put it nice) partner, and she is not the first one, Amber B. was also used for the same reasons until she had Jordan then Ron booted her to the curb when he had Misty to do Ambers work. jmo
I wonder that to JB. Tobias you are also right I don’t think it was the head tilt for me. It was things that he said. Things he started doing that was out of character to what a grieving father would do. Then go out and get that Tattoo on his leg after only 3 weeks. To be seen at the county fair with Misty and having a good ole time. Folks said Jr. was with them ,but later they both were their living it up all by themselves.
NG will be airing Haleigh tonight according to her show page. I do hope there will be some REAL BOMBSHELLS tonight; not just the same old duds we already know.
She will probably do more on the A case since CA was in court today again. Unless there is news(gossip) AH has uncovered. He gets it wrong more than right imo
Good Day, everybody! Maybe NG knows Ron is a psychopath and had a everything to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance? She cuddled up to him in hopes that he would confess right there on her show! Or at least mess up. I don’t want to giver her so much credit but I do think she knows her criminal personalities.
Hi Floggers! i listened to the Misty hypnosis tape last night. The thing I found odd was she says she went to bed and seems like the last thing she saw was Junior leaving the room. Something I haden’t heard her mention before.
Next she saw the clock at 3:00 something. I would think that if a 4yr old was leaving the
room when you are falling asleep, you might go get him and bring him back to bed. Unless you were totally zonked. Just thinkin.
Tobias do you remember last week when Chelsea was first on NG and pointed to Joe as the perp who murdered Haleigh? Then on last Thursdays show she stated she is not sure if Joe harmed Haleigh in any way? Chelsea knoes how to back pedal too. JMO
Kate, I think NG knows her criminal personalities as well. You could be right that she was hoping for a confession on her show. NOW THAT WOULD BE A BOMBSHELL!! I do think though as long as she could keep him talking and others perhaps they would slip up with something we have not heard. NG sure can apply pressure, but maybe she found it best to coddle Ron since that is what he is use to. JMO
Just one more thing. It seemed to me the last show NG did on the case…not last night the night before. She seemed to be going easier on Misty than her usual self. Was more into the Haleigh being molested and Misty hiding thing. It just made me wonder if she had some new information that made her believe this to be the case. Just thinkin and and now wondering, lol.
NG is just covering what Art has posted on his site today. She had it posted last night. Sorry kids, no BOMBSHELLS, there!
Posted on my Facebook:
Nancy Grace Right now — We’re awaiting a major development in the Haleigh Cummings murder investigation! Tune in tonight at 8 PM ET for all the breaking news!
How the heck did Sapp get bonded out on the 29 th? I thought he had no bond, like Tommy?jmo
Sapp? Whoa…..Tell me more, please.
This site is getting funky.
Who is Sapp?
“We’re awaiting a major development in the Haleigh Cummings murder investigation!” and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting… waiting is a bombshell?
BBL….meeting…ugh…. 🙄
The following was posted by JB;
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…what I can’t figure out is why EVERYONE doesn’t see Ron for what he truly is. I have REALLY tried to see things from others’ perspectives but I truly struggle with that one. If they have followed this case closely and have really seen, read and witnessed Ron’s words and behaviors, how could they NOT find it to be HINKY at best?
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There are far more who see Ronald Cummings exactly for what he is than those who don’t. As to why SOME can’t and won’t see Ronald Cummings for what he is has to do with the lens in which they’re viewing this through, which is through their own circumstances or life style. (or the lifestyle/circumstances of the parents of their own grandchildren – hence the sympathy for Teresa Neves…) There are those who think that smoking a joint (popping some pills…), either on a regular basis or now and again, only makes them better mommys or daddys, drivers, workers, etc., I’ve heard it all by stoners (rolling eyes). Those who defend Ronald Cummings are those who themselves have made, AND continue to make, incompetent and irresponsible decisions regarding their own children; abusive relationships/live-in’s, either regularly or occassionally losing their tempers with their own child/ren and “over-disciplining”, smoking weed and/or popping pills…And God forbid, should their own child ever turn up missing and their dirty little secrets come to light, people would view and judge them just as they have Ronald Cummings – and rightfully they would. Anyone who can continuously deflect responsibility from Ronald Cummings, regardless of what the records show AND dispite when a far more historically credible person(just one example: Tim Miller) states something and they’re considered a liar and/or disbelieved OVER Ronald Cummings clearly indicates to me that these are individuals themselves that I wouldn’t leave my pet with, let alone a child! It’s easy to give an online appearance of being a great parent who truly cares about missing children…but as a poster pointed out a few weeks ago, those who have children to care for at home, yet spend an exuburent amount of time online, going as far as to insert themselves in this case by contacting players (i.e., Teresa Neves), continue their staunch support of Ronald dispite all of Ronald’s actions or inactions over the past fifteen + months, and continue to point the finger at Crystal still today; These individuals need to back away from the computer and spend some time with their own children FC’s sake! In order to find it “hinky at best” would require them to get honest about who they really are – not who they project themselves to be here. In My Opinion –
MOO —
Fridays are repeats of the week on Nancy Grace.
Kate: We are right there with you! Too funny! On pins and needles waiting for the true breaking news and justice for HaLeigh.
JB: I thought I was the only one who didn’t recognize “Sapp”….Glad to have company in lala land.
Donald sapp had a no bond but was released on bond on the 29th according to jail inmate records does anyone know why this SO is out? He still has to go to trial. Are they letting people out to make room for others? This guy should already be in prison along with Snodgrass. jmo
FYI Donald Sapp and Daniel Snodgrass are two accused SO who are in the area and have been researched because they both had a small involvement. Sapp is the boyfriend of a Bilie Griffis(her husband was hit by a car after he filed a protection order against sapp) also known to hang out near the Croslins and Snodgrass was at the Haleigh center when he shouldnt have been and got into with Cobra. He has also been out on bail since 2007 for a sex offence.jmo
NG isn’t always a repeat on Fridays especially if, she has a bombshell……Which she thinks she has tonight. Maybe will have another battle of the Grannys too.
MaineMommy40, you are so right on, IMO. Great blog.
Still waiting for the fat lady to sing!!!
WOW, LMAO I must be a drug user and bad parent because I do not believe Ron harmed or had HaLeigh abducted? I do not understand why someone has to be a Ron lover just because they do not see him guilty of the that crime. He will get what he has coming for his involvement in the drug BS and he will have a reminder for the rest of his life of the mistakes he has made that cost him more than a parent should endure. JMO
I dont think you are being called a Ron lover its just that some just cant see past him being the grieving father and see all the things he has done that are just not normal behavior. And you can believe any way you want about him and in the end it will all come out one way or another. jmo
I have a big question for everyone in Putnam county WHY DOES IT TAKE 3 AND 1/2 YEARS TO GET SNODGRASS INTO COURT FOR A SEX OFFENSE?????JMO
The following was posted by Texasmommy39;
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…he will have a reminder for the rest of his life of the mistakes he has made that cost him more than a parent should endure.
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I don’t recognize this broken man you speak of…
Mainemommy – WOW! You go girl! I’ve NEVER heard it said better. I will warn you that your post may bring about some very nasty comments pointed in your general direction. In shear appreciation for your open, honest and flat out AWESOME post, I would like to present you with this hard hat (for those nast bloggin noggin floggin’s you will most assuredly receive), a pair of waders (because it WILL get deep), a pair of goggles (for when the chit hits the fan), some lubricating eye drops (for all the eye rolling you will be doing when you read the posts), and last but not least a bullseye target (wait, you’ve already got one…after making that post).
Welcome to the flogged noggin club! You are a most WELCOME addition! LOL
Seriously, good post….no, GREAT post!
Too many people watch programs like NG and think that’s the gospel. People don’t follow facts, listen to tapes, or do any research on their own so, this is what you wind up with. Those that do, see Ron for what he really is because we have done the research. IMO
JB, I wonder why we havent heard anything from m2c has she fallen asleep in the doghouse with her chocolates and cozy socks? I know we didnt always agree (well never agreed) but I never thought she would quit posting if she really cared. jmo
The following was posted by Texasmommy39;
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Still waiting for the fat lady to sing!!!
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Why? She could shatter every glass in the GD house and you still won’t be able to hear her when she sings…
JMO
MaineMommy40
A little advice from a friend that’s been there with JB: Be careful out here after the sun goes down, it gets really mean and down right scary……..
You are so right on it. Hang in there. You are appreciated.
I think the fat lady is on stage and has her music out but she is waiting for the curtain to go up LOL Is that Simon Cowl I see there beside her?LOL
Tobias – I’ve wondered where she is as well. She and I knocked heads a lot….I don’t miss THAT….but obviously I don’t wish her any harm. I hope she is okay and all is well. Not sure why she would drop off the blog. Never thought I’d see it happen. Worries me a bit that something is wrong!
The following was posted by stillucy;
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A little advice from a friend that’s been there with JB: Be careful out here after the sun goes down, it gets really mean and down right scary……..
You are so right on it. Hang in there. You are appreciated.
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Thank you stillucy. As far as the warning about when the sun goes down…I don’t live, breathe, or put my life on hold for this case -Not only is that mentally unhealthy, it does absolutely nothing beneficial for or in Haleigh’s honor. With that said; those who get mean and scary (I take it you mean bullying) only further substantiate just how very similar they are to the Cummings clan. JMO
Mainemommy40 said,
in April 30th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
The following was posted by Texasmommy39;
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…he will have a reminder for the rest of his life of the mistakes he has made that cost him more than a parent should endure.
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I don’t recognize this broken man you speak of…
Mainemommy40 said,
in April 30th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
The following was posted by Texasmommy39;
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Still waiting for the fat lady to sing!!!
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Why? She could shatter every glass in the GD house and you still won’t be able to hear her when she sings…
JMO
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Miss Maine, the epitome of rude and arrogant with such high mommy character using such language “GD house”.
My bet is TexasMommy has more character in her little toe then you will ever have.
Thanks for showing your ass and true character.
Contempt is such an ugly beast sometimes.
jmvho.
wONDER WHY WE HAVENT HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE SHOW ON sUNDAY? aRE THEY GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PANEL? I HOPE cOBRA AND tj COME BACK. JMO
BSMod – GD house (not even spelled out) is language? WOW! Then you must REALLY be repulsed to hear Ron and Misty talk… especially knowing that is how they talked around the kids while popping their pills and smoking their weed and having screaming fights, and fist fights out on the lawn with Hank and Hank Jr, and all the oh so wonderful things I’m sure Ron said TO the kids about their mother, and all the lovely folks that were in and out of the house around those kids while all the drug deals were going on, and what the kids saw while Ron was boinking the teeny bopper of the week. Must blow your moral compass right out of your hand…or wherever it is you keep it.
Tobias…after the whole JNet fiasco, I wouldn’t blame Simon and Jan if they never did another show not to mention if I were Peter I wouldn’t be in any hurry to subject myself to more verbal abuse like what he suffered after the last show. Such a shame people have to go so overboard with stuff.
boinking lmao
And the sun hasn’t even set yet…..WOW….
I know Levi is on and I heard Simon say last week that he and Jan would be back this week so……..guess we’ll see.
On NG tonight, Art Harris says they will discuss what she says are the 11 theories/scenarios possible for Haleigh’s disappearance. Tommy has now recanted his “admission” that he was knocking on Ron and Misty’s door, checking on them at Ron’s behest. He “only” said that to get out of jail. (PS I hope Lindsey told Tommy she threw those boots away but secretly held onto them.)
I thought the statement analysis guy was fascinating.
tobias said,in April 30th, 2010 at 10:20 am And if they asked him questions about Joe ,like did Joe kill her he could say yes and it would be a lie. Since we dont have the questions we cant tell what he was lying about yet .the oppisite of a lie is the truth.
Did misty hurt Haleigh.. no…lie did you help misty …no…lie did Joe hurt Haleigh..yes lie. that would fail him. jmo
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very well put. they can design questions to get information from lies as well as from truths. hopefully le is as clever as you are tobias!
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tobias, i have said on this blog in the past how much i appreciated reading everyone’s thoughts and opinions. and i have always very much appreciated your posts. i appreciate that you are willing to share you knowledge with us. and you have stayed up on top of it all. i have such a bad memory and you always refresh the facts for all of us. i do feel you have been fair in your comments and post reasonable points of views. very consistently – which some have found challenging! anyway, you always make me think!
some of you have mentioned m2c and others are missing right now. well, tobias i really hate it when you (and hgm and a couple others) were followed and tagged teamed by some. i tried to say it a few times, but, got the impression that you and the few others preferred to deal with it yourselves. most of the time, it did not even seem to bother you. since i don’t keep up with the blog as well as you do, i thought it more respectful to stay out of it, since i thought that is what you wanted. but, boy it drove me crazy! for however long it lasts that you are not being “followed” and corrected by anyone, i will enjoy it!
hmmmm, MAYBE, things are turning out pretty much the way you have been posting allll along! i am just wondering if it that has anything to do with why some are missing? MY WONDERINGS AND OPINION ONLY!
tobias, i sent you one message via jan, but, did not feel it alright to keep doing that. so, if you want this post deleted, i will ask jan to please delete this post for me.
new article
Hope was charged with ONE count, Misty has EIGHT charges against her. Within the next week or so, Misty should be able figure out what 15 multiplied by 8 equals, then maybe she’ll start speaking some truth.
SPEAKING OF ASS & CHARACTER;
Some have reduced the death of this precious innocent child to nothing more than petty female jealousy….
The following is the epitomy of caddiness – Why Ronald really married Misty:
“…this move is to further irritate or anger Crystal to make a move. I found it odd Crystal had make-up on at presser and 29 previous days of plain Jane doesn’t make any sense unless the bait was taken and she is making her move. She must still have feelings for Ron because that is a move that indicates to me she wants him to notice her.
Crystals pleas for Haleigh reinforce my suspicion that Crystal still has feelings for Ronald because she uses the term “Daddy and Mommy” to include Ronald is referring them as to together.”
Caddy Women Warn Crystal…
“YOU HAVE NO SUPPORT
YOU WONT BE ABLE TO LIE MUCH LONGER
WE ARE ON TO YOU
WE ARE MANY AND WE WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO FIND THE TRUTH”
http://texasmommy39.wordpress.com/
…SPEAKING OF ASS & CHARACTER ~
ROFLMAO
JB said,in April 30th, 2010 at 3:28 pm;
Mainemommy – WOW! You go girl! I’ve NEVER heard it said better. I will warn you that your post may bring about some very nasty comments pointed in your general direction. In shear appreciation for your open, honest and flat out AWESOME post, I would like to present you with this hard hat (for those nast bloggin noggin floggin’s you will most assuredly receive), a pair of waders (because it WILL get deep), a pair of goggles (for when the chit hits the fan), some lubricating eye drops (for all the eye rolling you will be doing when you read the posts), and last but not least a bullseye target (wait, you’ve already got one…after making that post).
Welcome to the flogged noggin club! You are a most WELCOME addition! LOL
Seriously, good post….no, GREAT post!
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JB, The personal protection gear is very much appreciated! To those who are uncomfortable reading these exchanges – I agree, it’s unfortunate that it has to come to this but one can only sit back and listen so long to this passive-aggressive BS spew out. To those who see it as a character issue – So be it. I see it as calling something what it really is and sometimes what it really is ain’t so pretty ~ Again, thanks JB for the PPE!
tobias said,in April 30th, 2010 at 11:56 am For some reason Rons arrogant head tilt has gotten to me from the beginning. I tried real hard in the beginning to not let it affect me but everytime he does it I ask why so arrogant when everyone is looking hard for your kid? Some cases never make it on NG or anywhere out of their local area. jmo
I have to agree there!
Hey guys,catching up,whewwwww
txbaseballfan said,in April 30th, 2010 at 4:56 pm Hope was charged with ONE count, Misty has EIGHT charges against her. Within the next week or so, Misty should be able figure out what 15 multiplied by 8 equals, then maybe she’ll start speaking some truth.
LoL I’d say she figured that out really quick,lol
Is anyone watching NG?
Cathy Jo
Misty will probably get more that 15X8 because Misty is the one who handled the pills and took the money. JMO
This article/blog is running a little slow but Simon opened up a new one if you go to the Home page. Just and FYI. I think this one is overloaded.
It’s the article about this weekends radio/blog show 5/2. FYI
Mainemommy40 said,in April 30th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
SO absolutely true & well said! From one of the original Noggin Floggin Group members….CHEERS!
JB; I’m just beaming with pride over you! YOu’re the tops! Glad you “popped out the other side”. BTW…the dog house burned down…I didn’t mean to spill that gas in there…really!
ms.peridot19 said,in April 30th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Thank you! I appreciate it! It has been a long hard fight, has it not Tobias….lol…..but we’ve kept up the good fight, of at least our own opinions & tried to share knowledge. TY!
ky mom said,in April 30th, 2010 at 7:51 pm Cathy Jo
Misty will probably get more that 15X8 because Misty is the one who handled the pills and took the money. JMO
Right,I think so too!
Hollys Gmom said,in April 30th, 2010 at 2:27 am I finally caught up with you guys. LOL! I took a 2 day Holly-Day and WOW! Have you guys been busy!
Per the TJ slip o lip and Cummings not happy about it…..it was about something told to a child advocate about HALEIGH….not MG….the MG vacation thing was sort of smoke screen. The Cummings were upset that the advocate revealed that there was a possibility of Haleigh being molested due to her acting out in ways that were sexually based. (Allegedly) Makes more sense, right? Why would the Cummings be upset over TJ revealing MG’s vacation or anything she could have taken with her?
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How would that make any sense?
I think Misty, and also KC Anthony, have a much better life behind bars than they had beforehand and are loving it!
What this is likely to teach teens is to NEVER cooperate with law enforcement and NEVER to “snitch” — because obviously the people running the “judicial” system are power-hungry medial sluts who will not hesitate to destroy a teen’s life if they can gain an advantage from it.
So all in all the result will be more teens on drugs, trying to kill the pain of seeing adult hypocrites treating teens inhumanly, and not trusting any authority.
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