15 years!!!! The heat is on. I think We are going to find out what happen to Haleigh soon. I bet Misty and the rest of the bunch is freaking out.

Wow, that phone call sure was intense talk about putting your foot in your mouth!

I feel sorry for any young person, who gets this out of control, and loses 15 years of their adult life because of it. This will probably shake Misty, Ron, and Tommy into realizing this isn’t going to be probation and, then, back to playing cops and robbers with the justice system. Some people may start talking now.

Haleigh has lost her life, in one way or the other, due to this horrible life-syle. I hope this wakes some people up.

Will she have to serve all 15 years? Is there a possiblity of getting out early? All states have different laws.

Satsuma is more than likely in shock!! They are not use to sentences of this magnitude. Looks like no more slap on the wrist for this little small town. Perhaps now it will deter the many others in Satsuma to get off drugs and STOP!! selling those pills !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Sentencing_Guidelines

Did you know there is a ”Sentencing Table”?!

Does anyone know if Hope has a child. I think I read that she does, but I am not sure.

She must have had the worst lawyer in the state of Florida. Who tells their client to plead no contest to a charge that carries a MANDATORY minimum sentence of 15 yrs? And he didn’t know she wasn’t eligible for youthful offender status? He should be disbarred. He was probably a public defender, if not, his practice is over.

Native Alien said,in April 27th, 2010 at 3:27 pm I can tell you that Florida is a mandatory 85% state so Hope will serve 85% of her sentence, so like 13 years.

I believe that Florida is just tired of what has gone on in the state for so long and now it is starting to try and clean up the mess.
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I agree, it would be nice if they were this tough on child molesters.

It’s sad because prison w/not deter her from drugs. Nor w/it deter any of the others involved. I wish it were possible for all of them to get in-patient re-hab for 6 months. They get out and are on 10 years probation. They have to have random drug tests, they have to get a full time job, they have to be home by 7pm.

As far as Misty and Tommy, I think not only w/they serve time for drugs but for murder. As Tobias says, jmo.

Hey Gang,

It’s me, not a poser! Having puter probs, so I am on a different one.

I do feel sorry and sadden for Hope and her family. It’s amazing how a phone call can help seal your fate.

100% or 85% – that is just sad…

http://www.jailguide.com/goodtime_calculator.php

15 years… 12 1/2… it is just sad… she will be 30 when she gets out.

It is sad that so many people in the USA are uneducated and using drugs, but they all had the opportunity to go to school. Misty didn’t want to, so now she can’t even figure out what 10% of her bond is. She is young in years, but she has lived the life of an adult for many years. She smokes, sleeps around and uses drugs so she should be treated the way she has chosen to live her life.

I didn’t grow up in a drug invested environment, but managed to get an education and put myself through college in spite of the poverty, 2 children’s homes and 3 foster homes in my past. I just can’t find it in my heart to feel sorry for the likes of Hope, Misty and Ron but my heart breaks for the children like Haleigh and Caylee.

Carrie said,in April 27th, 2010 at 3:11 pm Anyone know when Donna Brock’s sentencing is ?

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Donna is going to trial by jury! BUT … in light of Hope’s sentencing today after earlier pleading no contest, who knows what Donna might do now. Donna’s trial is scheduled in St. John’s County for June 21st at 9:00 AM. Maybe Donna will have more of a bargaining chip in all of this by giving up her supplier and come out with a sweet deal OR she may just go ahead with her chances with a trial by jury.

KY MOM said,in April 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm L4J

When is Misty, Ron,Tommy and Donna’s court date?

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May 13th – Ron and Tommy
June 3rd – Misty

This should also be a wake up call to anyone who enables drug abusers. If you know your child has a drug problem (this should be obvious in most cases) PLEASE get them help before they end up in jail/prison for not only the drugs but all the activities that can go along with this.

I realize that a person has to be willing to help themselves before they can be helped, but if the addict is a child the parent is responsible to do everything in their power to get them help including maintaining their own sobriety for an example for their children.

My opinion stated above is not directed at this case in particular as I do not know what the parents may have done in the past to stop this from happening.

ky mom – they don’t have casper…. yet.

Kate she is listed under Misty Cummings and she is in jail in St John’s County. I just checked the inmates.

No KyMom they don’t have casper in Florida but they are trying to get something very similar.

I would really like to hear any video visits and phone calls from Tommy and Misty to anyone starting with today.

Along with any phone calls that Ronald is making.

Ron was in court today as a character witness for the defense,but they didn’t use him. Would have loved to hear his two cents.
What would he have said,”I was just giving her a ride to Sunday School” ?

Couldn’t they find an online mailorder parson,bum off the street etc ?

NativeAlien & LadyonaMission, Thanks! That was a big “duh!” I gotta’ stop working so much !!

Hope wouldn’t have even been considered for the youthful offender program (for youth led astray due to peer pressure)because she has a prior drug conviction.

IIRC, Hope is age 19 (she was born in March).

Breaks my hear that she gets 15…..this is just sad………poor family. My heart ached for them.

I just checked the PCSO site – Hope just turned 19 on March 24.

Hope was Railroaded? Please explain.

Cruisin’ Susan said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

KY MOM said,in April 27th, 2010 at 4:48 pm L4J

When is Misty, Ron,Tommy and Donna’s court date?

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May 13th – Ron and Tommy
June 3rd – Misty

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Thanks… May 13th is right around the corner.

*** Above words of wisdom are from Jan 57 ***

Jan 57,

Sad reality: prisons are the economic backbone of some towns and regions. Without prisons, there would be few jobs in those areas.

Long sentences are job security for prison employees and businesses that contract their services and products to prisons.

Just think what the judge will think when the prosecutor plays Ronald’s smirking booking photo and some of his smart remarks. They may put him under the jail for LIFE!

Misty won’t look so good at her trial, either, due to some of her statements.

The whole town is most likely tired of these two families giving their town a bad name and thumbing their noses at the system. They are mad. WHERE IS HALEIGH? There won’t be any piece in either family involved in Haleigh’s disappearance, until she is found. If I were a part of either of these families, I would get out of dodge. Timmy has the right idea.

Jason–I am not condoning what Hope did whatsoever. There is no defense for her drug arrest, but if the tapes had no influence then why play it at all? What`s the point, unless to give the others a message–Speak up or youre next? Forgo the future murder trial because Tommy, Misty, and Ron are looking at a very long prison sentence. Hope was made an example of–and you see no agenda there? I just hope since Florida is cleaning up their drug problem, they might clean up their SO problem, too–make some mandatory sentences for these vile creatures whose victims have to carry a lifelong sentence for their vile acts! JMO

It would have been better to have let them sit in jail longer on some of their prior charges, and not let them bail out so soon. They would have a better idea of the reality of what they are going to face, if they didn’t straighten up. Letting them out so quick, they think it’s smart.

Biologically, Hope and all youth her age have an immature brain not yet fully developed.

Adhering to sentencing guidelines for adults seems like cruel punishment doled out to Hope.

She’s a child, not an adult. Because she’s a child, I think she can be rehabilitated.

15 years in a cage is just punishment.

They are all in Putnam County except Donna Brock. Go figure…….PCSD must be going by Ron’s idea of keeping your enimies close…….
PCSD are watching and listening to everything that they are saying, doing, and receiving. They probably will not release anything to the public now. They aren’t going to want to drop they’re hand now, it’s they’re last chance.

It is punishment that I consider child abuse.

I’m guessing after hearing Hope’s sentence that Misty crapped her pants, and what b@lls ever had just disappeared. JMO

Measure twice, click once. 😉

Former supervisor in a correctional facility and I must tell you the young offenders have no respect for anyone not even any self respect. I preferred dealing with murderers and rapists rather than with our waived juveniles. They were horrible to deal with.
In my opinion the Judges are fed up. I don’t know what the pre-trial disclosure recommended but the tapes surely didn’t help her cause.
The way things are going these days with young people somebody needs to put the fear of God in them some how. If, it’s throught the Court system, so be it.

I don’t feel sorry for her one bit !!! There are choices we all make in life and she choose her own path that has lead her straight to prison for 15 years !!! I’m in the same age group and know she has the same opportunities to an education !!! Maybe not the same parental and peer support as me , but she’s an adult and choose the life she has lead !!! She will have an opportunity for some education in prison and maybe she will take that route now !!! Maybe with this stiff sentence the real truth of what happened to Haleigh will come out now !!! I doubt it though !!!

It should be taken into consideration that biologically she is a child – her brain is still developing.

What is your definition of child abuse?

She’s not an adult, Kelly.

Who will be her role models in jail?

Role model will be her new girlfriend, that one that is big and bad like her

Look at Michael Douglas’ son Cameron. He was popped with so much meth, they originally charged him with intent to distribute. While on house arrest his girlfriend tried to smuggle him a little heroin. He was supposedly facing a minimum of ten years, with the max being life.

He got five years. And he had prior drug arrest of possession of liquid cocaine in a syringe.

Hope was railroaded because she is poor and because of who she affiliated with. Yes, she deserves to be punished but this is excessive.

13 plus years in prison is no hope, for Hope.

Come ON said,in April 27th, 2010 at 8:48 pm OJ not a smart person, 1st HOpe’s attorney is a female from Jacksonville. A very repitable one at that…..Go back to Minn in your dark room
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LOL~Shades of TH huh? Any maggots around …….

Hope’s lawyer is a worthless POS!!!!!

Kelly, Laurence Steinberg (Professor of Psychology at Temple University) and others know the brain is not fully developed until age 25.

http://www.temple.edu/psychology/lds/

He and Elizabeth Scott are knowledgeable about juvenile law and adolescent development pshychology. Here’s an excerpt from their book “Rethinking Juvenile Justice”:

“Adult time for adult crime” has been the justice system’s mantra for the last twenty years. But locking up so many young people puts a strain on state budgets—and ironically, the evidence suggests it ultimately increases crime.

“Rethinking Juvenile Justice”:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Rethinking-Juvenile-Justice/Elizabeth-S-Scott/e/9780674030862

Jaba, a quote from video titled “Teen Brain”:

“Society may say 18 is the age of adulthood – perhaps it’s time to realise the brain doesn’t know that.”

Kelly, you been in jail? Something tells me the answer is “yes” – LOL!

“No hope, for Hope” is true, Random Thoughts, unless she can qualify for a much lesser sentence after appealing.

Hopes attorney didn’t know that she was running smack mouth to her mother about the judge and the system. Her attorney had all reason to believe she would be given youthful offender. She also knew that Hope would have been found guilty at trial and hoped that her plea would work to her benefit. Hope knew everything that was going on and couldn’t keep her mouth shut. She thinks she is a bad thug from south putnam county. Guess who got the last laught. Oh, the family tried to say in court that she has a good support system at home and she would change for the better. Even mom got caught lying on the stand when asked questions about what her daughter said…

Come ON, she’s a kid!

just to reiterate:
Hope’s lawyer is worthless! hes a corrupt backwoods drunken SHYSTER!! How dare he plead Hope guilty to TRAFFICING for christs sake! 15 years was the minimun..why didn’t Hope know she was going to get 15? answer: because her lawyer didn’t tell her! He flimflamed and bamboozled her into pleading no contest when she didn’t even know that meant guilty!
The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!! The lawyers INEPT and in cahoots with the prosecution! SHAME ON the florida public defenders office!

No she isn’t, she is a soon to be 19 year old punk, wanna be thug, who thinks she can do and say what ever she wants. On Jan 3 they gave her a break on a drug case and her bond. They gave her a break on her retail theft. She got away with a ton as a juvenile. Jason, get real, she isn’t someone who was mislead into committing her first crime. She is on her way to be a career criminal.

She’s a child – age 19 as of March 24.

“On her way” isn’t a crime.

I recall someone posting here the evening Hope, Ron and Misty appeared in court–the day Hope entered her No Contest plea. I do not recall the poster’s nic but I do recall what she reported having seen and heard in the courtroom that day.

She said when Hope went before the judge and pleaded No Contest, the judge clearly explained what that plea meant and what her sentence could be. The judge informed Hope that she could be sentenced to 15 years in prison.

There is no reason whatsoever why Hope should not have known on that day as well as today that she could be sentenced to 15 years in prison. If she was not paying attention or not taking the proceedings seriously, it is no fault but her own.

I will say this, though: The fact the so many offenders in that area of the world (Putnam County) seem to get leniency whenever they come before the courts is partly to blame for people re-offending. A slap on the wrist does little to deter.

Had Hope been held accountable for past offenses, possibly she would have learned something and would not be in the predicament she is in today.

Come ON, Merriam needs updated again.

15 was the MINIMUM. The judge had a heart!

You got it, Lady! It’s child abuse to cage a child, unless a judge orders it.

She is biologically a child, but has been sentenced as an adult.

Jason, should Misty be CAGED if she had something to do with Haleigh’s death?

Those “kids” know more about charges and sentences than most attorneys. Give it a break.
Lissten to her taped conversations and if she would’ve taken the court proceedings a little bit more seriously she would’ve heard the Judge’s instructions. He explained everything to her and asked her if she understood what was going on and she answered that she did understand. Whoops! Shame on her. Hope got what she asked for. Role the tape……. Maybe just maybe, her education has already begun.

No. Not caged as adults are, but incarcerated – yes, if her violence resulted in Haleigh’s death.

Society needs to be protected from physically violent people.

Whoever this lady lawyer is she sucks if she wasn’t able to get the most lenient sentence for her client.

Haven’t any of you ever been charged with anything beyond a traffic ticket to know how the game is played?Lol It’s all about pleading out or going to a jury trial. Often the accused knows exactly what they are getting because the prosecution and the defense sign off on it and the judge approves before you even walk into the courtroom to get sentenced.

Assaults are dropped to domestic violence, felonies to misdameanors and on and on until both sides are happy.

It takes less time and less money for people to plea than to go to jury trial. Pre trials are nothing but a bargaining day. They are not in there preparing for a trial but trying to desperately avoid one.

They offered Ron 25, his attorney knows the game – no deal. Now the prosecution will have to look and see what they can give on.

The only time one usually “rolls the dice” is if it goes to jury trial. They will throw the book at you if you lose.

Come ON, I agree with you – our legal system is not perfect, and juvenile justice clearly isn’t, as evidenced by Hope receiving the same penalty given to adults.

Jacksonville.com is reporting that since Hope had only been out of jail for less than two weeks on the possession charge when she was arrested on the drug trafficking charge, she was not eligible for the youthful offender consideration which she would have received a much shorter sentence.
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Oops! Hope didn`t have no change.

‘Incarcerated’ – that’s the toned down word for ‘caged’, right?

‘Incarcerated’ – just what the hello is that? What image does it conjure up?

I took my case to trial, acted as my own attorney and lost..I was sentenced to EXACTLY what I was offered if I had plea bargained..there was no difference, pleading guilty or taking it to trial. At least at trial I had a chance. I then appealed the sentence and WON! Hope’s lawyer is a worthless drunken shyster POS!!!!!!!!!!!
He is working WITH the prosecution!

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It’s seems like Tommy really fears that he may very well lose his family, Lindsey and his kids, if he goes to prison. Maybe, he is the key to finding the truth about what happened to little HaLeigh. This may just scare him enough and if he doesn’t know maybe, he’s the one that could convince Misty to talk.
I know, it’s probably more fiction than fact.
At this point I don’t believe what anyone says even the attorneys. So who knows what anyone is telling anyone at this point.

Today, a 19 year old child named Hope received punishment of life in a cage until she is age 34, because she exchanged pain-relief pills for cash.

Random Thoughts, from what I understand, she didn’t qualify for the Youthful Offender program because she has a previous drug conviction.

My husband & I grew up poor,didn’t have a lot when my boys were growing up either. We have 5 grandchildren that isn’t use to having a lot of money. 2 of them have been to college,1 is getting ready to go to college. Due to her grades,she has been accepted to 4 top colleges along with financial help that won’t have to be paid back.The other 2 aren’t that old yet but are smart and hard working.All were brought up in church & homes that taught them how to act & treat people.I know it’s terrible for a 19yr old to have to go thru this but do you think these families would straighten up & help these young people.I would be very suprised.This all falls back on their parents.

Hope’s lawyer led her into the jackel’s den!
She had NO legal representation at all!!
Her shyster drunken lawyer did NOTHING for her except plead her GUILTY and feed her to the wolves!!
SHAME on the florida justice system!!!!

I’m looking at the statue and I think she was elligle. Under 21 and not guilty of a capital or life felony.

Then it branches off into four different ways she could have been sentenced.

Random Thoughts, I hope you find something to make an appeal seem worthwhile.

To add to my previous comment about Hope getting F-d, I do not feel bad about the time she got, we all saw what a punk she is on that phone call. She will fit right in at prison, she already does.
“You bunkie aint ye?”
Hope is home.

Thug mentality is not grounds for an appeal so check that off the list. Hope won’t qualify.

Grandma of 5, I agree it’s horrible. She’s a child – her brain is not fully developed, so she shouldn’t be held accountable to the same degree adults who sell pills are.

Locking her in a cage for 15 years is cruel, very mean-hearted.

She could Possibly appeal based on ineffective counsel.
BTW, the streets of Florida are safer with this woman in jail. That was my impression of her, anyway.
Flashforward to her first parole hearing (and perhaps all subsequent ones):The phone call will be played of her “see me in 15 years” comment.

Hope appeared in court Tuesday morning and she plead no contest to one count of drug trafficking in narcotics.

If her mother punished her by putting her in a cage, her mother would have been arrested.

Why do all you people think she got royally F-d? She was out there running and selling drugs on the steet, how would you like it if she sole some to your kid are helped any anyway with Haleigh missing? She put her self out there for this to happend! These people all have to learn a lesson! He is great judge who is seeing things the way they are and knows this is the only way to stop them, to far gone! Making money off of people on the street is this what we want for our children? NOT ME I SAY LOCK THEM ALL UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY! And maybe they will find out what happend to Haleigh, thats all i care about anyway! not that these pigs get justice! JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She loves the cage. She worked as a stripper!

Kinda crazy, huh?

Linda, stopping her from selling should be the objective, not cruel punishment.

Ron received a subpoena to appear from Hope’s fantastic PD to testify as a character witness but, they didn’t call him. Go figure.
Supposedly his attorney has already talked to prosecutors for a deal of 25 yrs for Ron.

How many charges was Hope sentenced today? How many does Misty have pending? Does Misty have a prior arrest?

Can Misty’s atty argue for youthful offender when it was clear that she was in charge in the undercover videos?

FACTS would be appreciated from someone that has knowledge.

Hope 1
Misty 8 priors – no

Judge LaRue says the youthful offender statute is for young people who are pressured or led astray by peers. “This is not the case here,” he said going farther in explaining that this second charge was not a simple possession charge. “What she did was engage in trafficking.”

I know Jason. The drug reps come in daily and woo the Dr. offices with nice catered lunches and free samples of the dope they are pushing.

It’s absolutely crazy.

Hope was sentenced on 1 count of felony trafficking and still has a couple of minor charges pending from prior arrests.
Misty has 8 felony charges pending for trafficking with no priors. Technically, I don’t know how they will look at her. The sting operation was going on for over a month and she was totally involved 100%. Her attorney is arguing for the lesser youthful offender defense.
That’s what I’ve read and my background is former law enforcement.

Linda @ 11:18:

Pharmaceutical companies sell to kids everyday (commercials, print ads, doctors).

When their drugs kill, they pull them off the shelves, take a loss on their taxes, are fined, are sued, but are still in the game as those responsible retain their jobs and their freedom to deal drugs.

In Hope’s infamous phone call her mother tried to tell her that she needed to talke to her attorney but Hope said she was a few steps ahead of the game and the rest of them needed to pick it up a few steps. That is not a direct quote, but it was apparent that Hope thinks she is smarter than anyone else.

She got what she asked for.

Random Thoughts @ 11:41 pm: Yep, the game.

Facts Only Please said,in April 27th, 2010 at 11:43 pm OJs Glove, what were you charged with? Were you in incarcerated during the appeal process? Thanks. Your story could help shed some light on law enforcement.
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yes, I served my time..14 months later my sentence was resinded by the appeals court..
opps! how do I get my time back?..
Hope’s lawyer can go to HELL!!!!!
she was in cahoots with the prosecution!!
Hope’s lawyer is SCUM!!!!!!!!

Someone said it earlier and I have wondered the same thing, how was Ron in the car with her leaving court? That makes no sense, a male and female being transported together?
Then Ron is in court today? For what a role model, and upstanding citizen to testify? Bizarre????? I agree something is not right….

Also NG has lost her mind….. I guess she forgets RON was in that car, RON is in jail….
HELLOOOOOOOOOOO

dpierce @ 12:13 pm: Intimidation? Do you have a read on his/her body language?

Facts Only Please, I’m hoping he doesn’t get his wish, as parenting classes are a better idea (the legislator pushing for incarceration has a street reputation).

Jason said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:23 am OJ, when you say ‘to poison the court proceedings’, what do you mean, specifically?
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his appearance focuses all attention on the HALEIGH missing case!
Hope is in court for a (seperate) drug charge…
HENCE the poisoning of the proceedings..Hope had no chance, especially with her drunken inept shyster mouthpiece!

Jason said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:16 am

We already have that here in FL….fat lot of good it did. My daughter is 6 months younger then Hope and we had some truancy issues during the teenage years and let me tell you….they are Quick to let a parent know you WILL be charged and jailed if it is not rectified.

OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:21 am

Maybe you should rewatch that tape OJ…SHe gets OUT of the car, goes inside a dwelling with Misty, buys pills from HOPE’S contact, they both get back in the car, Hope hands Misty the pills, Misty hands one up from to Ron which he slips between his lips….

YEa, I know that video well…

Your calling me catty…LOL! Look at what your screaming about her lawyer, who is an upstanding citizen…

I was making the point that she isn’t such a “child” as some might think

SHe’s a mother,
Has been a stripper by her OWN admission
If she’s being portrayed as a child then these other things would also be wrong or out of conduct for a “child”.

DO I think young women should enter that life, no it’s always downhill. But it IS their choice and I’m ok with it.

Hope’s lawyer is a worthless vomit! She left Hope twisting in the wind..didn’t even explain what “no contest” was! absoutely dispicable!!
The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!!!!!!!!!!

There go the personal attacks again.
Have we forgotten that the drug infested lifestyle of these low lifes has contributed to the end of the life of a 5yr old little girl?
At this stage of the game, I don’t care how dirty anyone plays to get these idiots to talk.
15 yrs or 25 yrs, if that’s the best they can do right now, so be it.

BTW, I’m not that old…LOL! Not yet 42

Even if it’s just a card/letter writing campaign to let them know that you & others feel the way you do and want to emotionally support hem & help them to a better future in whatever capacity you can.

Help with GED books or supplies.
Computer GED program…HEck I have one I’ll donate! I’ll even buy another so both can have one. Look into help from any source possible: legally, educational, spiritual (sometimes this organization has more sources and resources), health….whatever you can do, right?

41? perfect

And here I thought we were gonna have a real conversation about your wanting to help these girls…..lol (Smacks self on forehead)

Hey Random….your thoughts on Hope’s sentencing and help for these girls if any? lol

Deserves punishment but it’s way excessive imho.

buddy – I was thinking tonight, that is what Ron may do -snitch. It’s about his only option, since he will be sentenced under this mandatory sentencing guidline.

It has to be substantial info though.

SOmething 7;

WOw! (momentary speechlessness)

Mostly agree

OJ…what torture? Not being able to leave jail? Not being able to have free reign over their day anymore? Being told when and what they can do 24/7? Eating like little piglets from commissary? What torture? PLease explain. LE can’t even talk to her with out her attoreny. Fields was at the dock WITH her, I have a news link that proves it….what torture?

I think Tommy has already cut a deal. His attorney is now going public. According to his attorney he has substantial info.

I would like to see at least one person in this mess turn their life around.

hgm..what are your measurements? 🙂

Whatever OJ….You obviously only want to just post to flare up controversy and not really help anybody….so at least now I know for sure.

wrong hgm..can’t be serious all the time..
and I’m helping and have been for a while.

Well good, OJ…THank you for sharing that. It really did weight on my heart to mention it.

Maybe others are willing to extend a compassionate hand as well.

Holly @ 1:25: A hostage is a person held by a captor. So, yes – Hope, Misty, Ron, and Tom are hostages.

Holly @ 1:32: Can’t help you with the answers to all of those questions!

I’m sorry, Hollysgmom – I’ve never watched it streaming. Just the rerun on HLN.

His attorney said Tommy is only facing three years and that tommy knows what happened to Haleigh and that tommy is not culpable. And he’s dying for them to arrest the person so he can finally talk about it.

He has me more hopeful than anyone else that a resolution is coming.

She wanted treated by the courts as a child, and get a lesser sentence, wanted treated as an adult as she stripped, and wanted to be let go but she pled no contest… She had a lawyer who advised her to plead this way, and Ron was brought in as a person to vouch for her credibility and honor as a good citizen…

Could the investigators have sold the idea of Ron, etc.. as dropping a hint or something to the lawyer as a good idea, allowing the two convicts to see each other for some benefit, to corroborate or whatever? Could the state be working with the lawyer to allow this to happen this way with out her knowing, as part of the investigative tactics, to shake up the others, while leaving a gaping hole for Hope to appeal this later due to inept council, etc.? All the while shaking up the rest of them to get the tell-all?

I also think it is possible the home was not the crime scene, maybe the dock or the van or another house was, which would explain why the questions about the house don’t shake Misty enough to make her slip, it is a safe lie, because no matter how much she messes up the house story, they won’t find anything there, if you get what I mean…? It would also explain some other stuff.

night all…

blessed said,in April 28th, 2010 at 1:47 am There seems to be some kind of intimidating practice going on in the Florida courts….

On May 13th the following will be in court for sentencing!
Ronnald Cummings
Tommy Croslin
Hank Croslin
Lisa Croslin

Do I really need to mention the judges name?
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absoutely..the justice system in florida is CORRUPT!!!!!!!!!!

Holly @ 1:46: People held hostage may, or may not have committed crimes. A hostage is a person held by a captor(s).

Jason:

I think there is a MORAL distinction there that I am willing to make…agree to disagree..

I personally don’t think Haleigh was killed at the dock. There were houses around and she would have been screaming and kicking.

Jason: Based on what you are saying, I really would like to hear your thoughts on Hope’s ability to parent small children since she isn’t able to even parent herself under those guidelines.

Before Tommy took them to the dock, he was at the State Attorney’s office. My bet would be a sweet deal.

He could walk.

Jason; I get what you are saying but just where do we draw the line? Some 50 yr olds are still emotionally and/or rationally children. Not all or most but some.

Diminished capacity….I think they ALL can claim that….Oh..except Ron…his mom says he’s a genius…sorry Ron, you missed the boat on that one…

Many experts say JO will never be charged unless he confesses or DNA puts him at her remains or DNA on evidence found.

Tommy will get a lesser sentence/sweet deal to tell all

Misty is gonna be culpable

Possibly Ronald as well

Potential for other people to a lesser degree (Cover-up, false statements, etc)

This is a culmative opinion based upon several “expert” opinions.

Wouldn’t it be some rotten BS if Tommy ends up lynched in jail and ends up a dead witness… better put him in protective custody to keep some rogue inmates away from him. Might be an inside hit out on him. Although ,i don’t think these low-level druggies have that kind of clout to get a contract out on another inmate.

Hey is D brock the same mole that was planted by TES awhile back… she sounds like the setup girl for the undercover… getting the mice a second time with a different trap but the same cheese is hilarious ! Wow these ppl are dumb if she was the same person. …or… nm!

hello all, some very thoughtful comments here tonight. i have always been horrified at the you are either a child or a adult. very unfair system. i don’t have enough knowledge on what ages to exactly pick, but, we really need to acknowledge we have “real” children and then we have teens and young adults and then we have “real” adults.

so many times children and teens are tried as adults because they don’t want them to get out at age 21. i do get we don’t want some children/teens to get out at age 21. but, trying kids/teens as adults is not the answer. since teens are hardly the same as children they should be more responsible for their actions than children. but, teens are not adults either soooo they should not suffer adult consequences? if we had a specific teens category where they could be held beyond 21 and have a wider choice of consequences that would solve trying children and teens as adults?

but, i do agree 18 y.o. people should be able to get married and participate in life as adults. (live on their own, own property, make medical decisions etc.) so should they also be held legally responsible the same as older adults? if we are going to try them as adults, should there not be room for taking their ages into consideration for their sentencing, even in the case of mandatory sentences?

well i don’t have the answers, but, i really think we need to expand how we deal with criminal activity to acknowledged age appropriate consequences. and i am not advocating to let people off because of their ages. teens are more responsible than children and so should be held more responsible. but, not the same as older adults who have had time to develop themselves more. i think some states do this?

boy i am zonked right now, so, i hope i am making sense. :S

Jason,

I totally agree with all your posts on this topic. Well done.

OT…hope your loved one is continuing to improve.

m2c…where are you?….miss you here!

she also said “you think I’m “bad” now” wait when I get out .
some where along that line

OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:55 am Hope’s lawyer is a worthless vomit! She left Hope twisting in the wind..didn’t even explain what “no contest” was! absoutely dispicable!!
The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!!!!!!!!!!

hello oj, i believe if you go back to that call we heard when hope was talking to her mother, she says her lawyer did talk to her, but, she (hope) did not really pay attention to what her lawyer was telling her. it is around 2:30 into the call. hope really should have participated more in that conversation with her lawyer. imoo.

it sounded to me, that hope just decided to let her lawyer handle it and it would all turn out okay in the end. even when her mom tried to tell her what she herself understood, hope was really not “hearing” her mom. hope really had a attitude. hope was telling her mom that she was calling the shots. i won’t do this, but, i will do that. i am wondering if hope signed anything agreeing to the plea??? also, does the judge not ask the defendent questions to see if they understand what the plea means??? (maybe i watch to much tv?)

having said that, i do not feel capable of judging whether or not any of their attorney’s are doing a good job or not. or whether or not the florida justice system is corrupt or not. but, i am watching and wondering about it all! also, i am reading all the opinions on this blog – it really helps.

and honestly, (as i posted on an earlier thread) i still believe the drug charges all came from the participants practically flaunting their behavior in le faces. they knew that the haleigh investigation was ongoing and that they themselves were on le’s radar. i really don’t believe they could not get jobs. it looked to me like they all were enjoying the thrill of their chosen lifestyles. being bigshots! they knew and chose to take the chance. well this is my own opinion.

Okay I think they gave Hope 15 years to scare Misty,Ron,Tommy, and Donna. I don’t think Hope will serve 15 or anything close to 15 years. Because she can appeal. And she said right on tape that she didn’t understand what her Attorney was pleading. And the judge knows this. THis is just away for Misty and the clan to tell what happened to Haleigh.
The 15 years will scare everyone else. And when everyone starts telling what really happened to Haleigh. Hope will be back in court on her appeal and will get 2 to 3 years max. JMO

Thanks to Sara Jane for the pictures of Hope Sykes and family in court. I did not feel bad for her at all. What happened was she just got schooled.(It was the equivalent of a smack across the face to “wipe that smirk off”) If you’ll notice, all the main characters seem to be living in la-la land, wherein they don’t think their videotaped actions snagged them redhanded. How many times have we heard Misty railing on prison phones that she “she will NOT be put in jail for what she did NOT do!” I mean, has Hank, Sr. seen the vids and told Misty “Look I’ve seen you on videotape Girl! That’s all they need to get you!” I know he has told her that they wanted her and they got her! He tried to get her to fess up already about what she knows. Misty is in on the cover up, whatever it was that happened.

In my opinion, Ron was brought into court to see what could happen to HIM. In court, he bends over with a finger in his eye, as if he’s dabbing a tear away. Is he feeling guilty caus Hope was just along for the ride and got caught when she was an unsuspecting passenger? (According to one of the bloggers, they actually got the pills from Hope’s contacts. Not so innocent anymore.) I can see how they thought they were merely helping a “fellow brother” out with the pills but it WAS all against the law. I believe Ron got a good dose of “whuppism” when he realized this is not a game AT ALL. Twas no coincidence that Hope was sentenced first. This gives all the others a heads up about what could happen to them. Now’s the time to confess and get a deal. In 30 days, AFTER Ronald and Misty’s court appearances, Hope’s sentence MIGHT be reduced. 15 years is longer than most rapists and murderers get so it could be part of the ploy to get someone to confess. It would seem that they were all close enough to Hope that she might know what happened to Haleigh, too. Could be a bargaining chip for her.

My thinking is “IF LE DOESN’T have evidence of little Haleigh’s clothing or some form of DNA from leftover bones in the river,” all the participants will be LUCKY they only got charged with dealing drugs and not killing or disposing a dead child’s body. We may NEVER know what happened. I HOPE that Tommy’s version of the truth rings true and that no one gets saddled with the blame if they are not the guilty party. (ie; if Joe was set up. I agree that Joe looks awfully twitchy and guilty but he may only “know” about what went down) It seems beyond heartless that Ron would agree to put his deceased daughter in gator infested waters if she died from an overdose, doesn’t it? I personally don’t believe that her body was ever put in the dumpster. Police have said the dogs hit on a band-aid with blood, from workers who had been in that area.

Hollygsmom, Supposedly Misty knew they were deer bones and figured the police were trying to scare her. You are THE ONLY PERSON who has said her attorney was there. NO ONE ELSE HAS SAID THAT. Are you entirely SURE that was FIELDS at the docks? ALL the other shows (Hosts and lawyers) have said “Where the hell was her lawyer?!” Please advise or explain where you have photographic proof it was him.

those widebodies were all up in misty’s space!
Her lawyer was not there, hes been awol this whole time.

OJ’s glove

Wonder what has happened to Misty’s attorney?

Jason 4-28-10@1;25am, Based on what you are saying,i would really like to hear your thoughts on our sons being sent off to WAR! If there brain decision-making and risk assessment are undeveloped untill age of 25?
Trotline 4-28-10 4;31am Good Read!
Jesika 4-28-10 5;37am Good Read!
Ms, Peridot19 4-28-10 7;00 Great Read!
OJ’s Glove 4-28-12;55 Absoutely dispicable! So you think, The florida justice system is corrupt,do you think Hope is corrupt? Are do you think like jason and want to blame everything on her brain? There are thousand’s of kids who go to school every day and they do know right from wrong and so does hope, she has a bad attitude alright but i bet this moring it has changed!The judges in these cases have to sometimes throw the book at these people to get them to wake up out of there slumber! We have guys going to war every day loseing there lives so that these people can sell drugs! I do not feel sorry for hope are none of the rest of them, i feel bad for HALEIGH, THE INNOCENT!!!!!

People are questioning why they played Hope’s phone conversation with her mom at her court date yesterday. WELL…for starters, the prosecution KNOWS that Hope (or anyone being sentenced) is going to tell the judge how sorry they are, that they’ve learned their lesson, they want to turn their life around, they want to become a missionary, feed the hungry, build homes for the homeless, donate a kidney, find a cure for cancer, solve the mideast issues, get the whole world to sing kumbaya and stop global warming. SOOOO, they play the tape of Hope’s F Bomb rant and say “Oh REALLY? That certainly wasn’t what you said on THIS day!”

None of these people are EVER held accountable for their actions. They never have to face reality. Their parents and grandparents are all criminals too and never disciplined their children. It is about time someone gave one of these losers a healthy dose of reality and made them FACE their actions. I hope and pray the rest meet the same fate. SOMEONE has got to stand up to these people and get them to wake the frigg up! They will NEVER turn their lives around until someone takes them out behind the proverbial woodshed and shows them some consequences for their actions….something they OBVIOUSLY have never faced. They’ve learned NOTHING from warnings, probation, etc. I agree that kids should be given every chance but we have limited resources and those who TRULY want to turn their lives around get first dibs in my book. These people have not demonstrated ONE ounce of responsibility or remorse for their actions. You listen to them on the jail tapes and they all refuse to accept any responsibility. Time for a little “Tough Love” and a healthy dose of reality!

All of these people in their frequent jailhouse rants think they should be given probation, that they should not receive punishment, that they really didn’t do anything wrong, that they are being treated unfairly. They see NOTHING wrong with what they did which tells me if released back into society they will repeat the same actions over and over and over again. They learn NOTHING. So, off to prison with them where they can either turn their sorry arses around or go into it with the “if they think I’m bad now, wait until I get out” mentality. That choice is theirs. But I don’t believe for one second that any of them have “repented” or will change should they be released. They have NOT learned their lesson. If they were truly sorry they would have told what they know about Haleigh by now.

Jason said,in April 28th, 2010 at 1:52 am Holly @ 1:46: People held hostage may, or may not have committed crimes. A hostage is a person held by a captor(s).
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LMAO~They aren’t hostages they are criminal, and waiting due process. PSCO or any other Sherrif’s office nor the LE are captors FTLOG

Exactly, Just one! There is no may or may not have committed crimes either. They were caught on video surveillance. There’s no if’s, and’s or but’s about it – the crime was committed.

I agree texasmommy39. So so so sorry to hear about your darling Casey. You could not have possibly known something like that would have happened either. So, I hope you never ever blame yourself for what happened.

I did for a while, I bought the air freshener. In fact that morning before work I cleaned house sprayed it down and left the can on the dryer.
For months the owners of the 1 corner store in our area hated to see me walk in….. I would go and grab a trash can a throw all the 30 + cans on the shelf into the garbage and rant that it was a obvious supply and demand that reqiered that many to be on the shelf and that they where contributing to the nightmare. LOL I am much better now….lmao NOT Istill talk Sh57 if I see more than 6 or 7 that he now only caries and they no longer sell air freshener to minors. Now if I could change the world…. I would have them band and taken off every shelf.

OJ it is never black and white…..there is grey. Hopeneeded the wake up call as well as her family and everyone in that community and state it seems. The worl has to chage and it is no good to keep repeating it it has to be done.
The drug charges are a touchy subject as to how it all took place, but, they where willing participants. Sorry, I think she got what she deserved and so will the rest.
I am so sad, my heart breaks for them all, but, now have hope that the children in these families will have a chance to grow up without the imature drug useres in their lives..

(((((((Everyone))))))) ty

lindsy’s myspace mood is DETERMINED with a grin . Wonder what is up with that? Maybe she has decided to divorce Tommy and raise the kids as a single mother. hmmmmmmmmm.

TX

I’m soooo sorry.
I couldn’t begin to imagine what you went through. That is so sad. Did the teenager get punished?

JB you can buy those at CVS and do them more often if you feel the need. WE did and my 2 oldest daughters always did it because they loved me and knew I loved them and could not bare to loose them.
Some drugs stay only in the system for 24 hours… a weekend away is all it takes.

texasmommy39 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 9:38 am Good morning everyone,
I have taken notice that many feel that Hopes charge was unjust and would like to share a tragic life experiance my family endured in Aug. of 2000. I am a proud mother of three beautifull daughters and had thought I was protecting my children from all the evil in this world, but, relized evil comes in all forms.
My youngest daughter had just started 3rd grade and we live in a rural area and my children had few friends that we allowed our children to play with or even spend the night with.
To make a long story short my youngest daughter’s best friend was 8 soon to turn 9 and they would play often at her home or ours. I never dreamed that the oldest sister (16) of my daughters friend would expose the younger children to a habit that would eventually take my little girls life.
The 16 year olds drug of choice was huffing air freshener.
My daughter decided to try it 1 time and never woke up.
My Casey was still a little girl, playing wth barbies and dolls.
It is sad yes,but, a well deserved sentance, IMO. Maybe it will save a few lives in these families and end the cycle of addiction.
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(((HUGS)))

TM I am so sorry for your loss, that is one of the most tragic stories I’ve ever heard. I too have had to deal with drug use in my own family, when my daughter was 16 I moved to another state for a job, she wanted to finish school out that yr and stayed with her dad, well after 3 weeks she was doing so much cocaine her nose was bleeding and she was down to 90lbs, when I flew her here I almost cried in front of her as I didn’t recognize this child as my daughter. She rec’d drug counseling and treatment and I now randomly test her for EVERYTHING with those test kits from Walgreens. You just never know, and I want to stay on top of it. So far it has been 3yrs and she’s tested clean, but I will always worry and continue to test her because just one time is all it takes to take a life. My heart goes out to you and breaks for you.

andi i had the same thought about hope. my word she looks old for a 19 year old

TM39 My heart goes out to you and your family as well.

I read what you posted yesterday about seeking an education and moving forward with your plans to take positive action.
You are already a hero to me and I hope that you follow through with your plans.
(((((((BIG HUGE HUGS)))))))

tm39 I am not saying that offenders who have been convicted of crimes should completely escape from serving time. I am suggesting that while they are serving their time that other requirements be applied so that when they are released they will have a better chance at being productive citizens which would have a great affect on lessening the rate of recidivism also.

Just One – Wow, now I can tell my son he isn’t the only teen on the planet that gets drug tested by his parents! LOL He thinks he has a WAY over-the-top paranoid protective mom….I just remind him I do it because I love him. He goes along with it without question but I do get the eye roll! LOL

I’ve told him he isn’t getting his permit nor will he get a drivers license if he has one positive test…and should he test positive after he gets his license it will be taken away.

I know there is no way to be 100% sure that your child is safe. That is impossible. But it is a parent’s job to do everything humanly possible to keep their kids safe. They are going to do dumb and careless things that put them in danger (that’s THEIR job…in an effort to make us CRACY! LOL). But I guess that is why I’m so hard on Ron and Crystal…because they didn’t do squat to keep their children safe. They endangered them every single day with their habits and lifestyle. And even after Haleigh went missing Ron continued in his horrid lifestyle continuing to put Jr in harm’s way. I pray Crystal can FINALLY get her act together for her children. If anything good can come out of this mess perhaps it will be that Crystal gets clean and gets her act together. And perhaps even Lindsey can cut ties with the Croslin clan and protect her children in a new life away from Tommy. One can only hope.

I also agree that drug addiction is a disease which is why I included not only drug rehab but also mental health evaluation and follow up if necessary.
It has to go hand in hand imvho.

Did anyone else notice when Hope talked with her mother she never once made a plea for help?
No please help me I messed up and I should have listened to you? No she thinks she has it all under control, she thinks she knows everything is going to go her way. She has gotten away in the past and thinks she will again, this needed to stop. When does everyone think Hope would wise up? When she is dead of a over dose? When she is murdered by another on drugs? When she is driving on drugs and kills another person? What will you say then?

Iknow what you would say. THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT HER IN PRISON BEFORE SHE HURT SOMEONE ELSE.JMO

Tobias, sadly I couldn’t agree with you more.

Oh, OJ, get a grip. It was a mandatory sentence. The judge really had no say. He gave her the minimum allowed by law. She KNEW what she was doing was wrong. She had just gotten in trouble two weeks prior. She has a history of criminal activity. She has been caught for drugs and shoplifting in the past and learned NOTHING (obviously) from the punishment she received for those crimes. According to you all criminals should be let out of prison.

You know OJ, you seem intelligent so why don’t you share something new with us other than the usual rant of LE are buffoons, Misty is being tortured and all the other paranoid judicial corruption and conspiracy statements you normally flog us with. LOL Let’s see another side of OJ….for a change.

And OJ, just curious….what is your position on Casey Anthony? Just wondering if you believe she is innocent and being tortured as well?

Tuff,
How do you think we should handle addicts? I am wanting to help change things so that our children are safe. My grand baby is 8 months and I have another coming in 7 months. I come from a very large family and the new generation is now coming into a world that is eat up with all kinds of sickness (drugs) and sickos.

JB said,in April 28th, 2010 at 10:42 am Just One – Wow, now I can tell my son he isn’t the only teen on the planet that gets drug tested by his parents! LOL He thinks he has a WAY over-the-top paranoid protective mom….I just remind him I do it because I love him. He goes along with it without question but I do get the eye roll! LOL
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Exaclty, and in the future our kids will understand and appreciate that we were hard asses on them. I don’t even get the eye roll anymore, I just tell her be lucky I’m not making you pay the $50.00 cost for the test every time I do it, that usually stops them dead in their tracks from complaining. Glad you are on top of it too.

One sad note here is even if you raise a happy healthy adjusted child who is a model citizen, someone else is possibly raising the child that could kill them because of neglecting their need for parenting.
We are all going to pay if this drug abuse isnt stopped.
Thats one of the problems in society people dont recognize this. They dont see how its going to affect their own kids. jmo

tm39,

I believe that drug addicts should be given mandatory sentences “that include” “in facility” drug rehab, mental health care evaluation and follow up if necessary, as well as education requirements to acheive a GED or better.
I also believe that drug traffickers shoudl receive harsher penalties than someone who is using. The user wouldn’t be using if the supplier wasn’t doing the supplying.

I also believe that we need much more funding for mental health care in general for all people not just inmates. Ignoring the issue does not make it go away and as a matter of fact many people who are in prison do have mental health care problems that are not being treated properly.
Where are the mentally ill supposed to go when funding has been so greatly lessened in the communities?

PS I am also a supporter of “Laura’s Law”.

Snodgrass pre trial is tomorrow, hope he goes away for a very long time. I still wonder if he commited other crimes that are yet to be uncovered or will they never be solved? JMO

If Haleigh was dead in the house, van or any other family vehicle wouldn’t the cadaver dogs have hit on them?
Did the dogs check the van or other family vehicles?

Did one dog hit on the dumpster or more than one dog?

wow that is good news tobias, thanks for the information. i cannot stay online this am. i am going to buy a new aircard this week. hope that is the problem and not my computer. everyone have a wonderful wednesday!

I recomend every parent that has a child to enroll them in a self defense course. This not only helps them protect themselves it also builds self esteeme. Our local YMCA has them and they are given by local law enforcement.jmo

Who would you rather do, Misty or Casey?

Of course at the moment I would do the first to misty and probable enjoy doing the second to Casey.

Just One – yes, it was very frightening with the school shooting. My son was standing next to the auditorium and the kid walked up next to him (and other kids) and opened fire with an assault weapon into the ceiling. Luckily the principal confronted the kid (and the kid’s gun jammed) but they later found explosives making materials in his locker as well. His dad was a violent felon who wasn’t supposed to even own guns and they had a house FULL of them. I had to get my son counseling….dealt with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (and a lot of sleepless nights and buying of extra locks and alarms for our house) but he’s doing great now.

Tobias…My son took swim lessons and played soccer at the YMCA. I enrolled him in some Karate classes at the Y and the instructor YELLED at the kids…had them all in tears. Couldn’t get my son to go back….not that I could blame it. The kids were pretty wild (as kids will be) and I think the instructor had had enough! LOL Even the parents jumped to attention when this instructor went into drill seargeant mode! LOL Scared the bajeebies out of all of us! It is funny now…but it ruined ever getting my son to take Karate! LOL Even now he is like “NO WAY!” LOL

I have a feeling “BIG BOB” is probably more like a “wee willy” and is getting his jollies the only way he can. Sad. Truly sad….but KUDOS to Tex for a quick and absolutely brilliant response! LOL

Art – why thank you! I’m not on the jury and can’t be because I don’t live in Florida so it is all on the up and up for me to be judgmental…really…I promise. LOL

Wow, all was going well…I guess we were due for a fly by…or two…where is m2c with those umbrellas anyway!? LOL

Romewi – You are most welcome. It has worked…so far! We have to get creative…I hope it will work for you too. Hang in there. You may have to try several things until you find what works best with your son. There’s got to be something he wants, wants to do, is interested in, etc., and when you threaten to take that away if he tests positive, you generally can get their attention. With my son, it is driving. That is HIS “hot button”. LOL

JB, what a lovely way to parent.

Art…thanks anyway…I’m quite happy where I’m at but I DO appreciate your concern.

And thank you! I DO believe I’m as good a parent as I can be. Am I perfect? NO! But I AM involved and would give my life for my child. I will protect him with my dying breath and have wonderful communication with him. He knows there is NOTHING he can’t come and talk to me about. We respect one another but he KNOWS I’m boss. He had friends that got caught with drugs. He admitted they tried to get him to do them and that he thought about it. So now, we do drug screens. I overheard him talking to those two friends and they were teasing him about his mom making him pee in a cup. He told them “Well, at least my mom loves me enough to stop me before I turned into druggie losers like you two” and he hasn’t hung out with them since. I think that pretty well sums it up.

Art said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:30 am So much for innocent until proven guilty. You’re all such fine Americans
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If you are Art Harris that is calling the kettle black don’t you think.

What will he do when he no longer has to pee in your cup?

Art – he’ll be an adult by then and he’ll have to use what he’s been taught. He’ll try, and fail, and make mistakes like we all did. But he’ll have the basic foundation and tools to be productive, happy, healthy and well-balanced young man. What he chooses to do with that will be up to him. My job will be done. But I’ll always know I did everything I could to keep him safe and to give him EVERY chance at a bright future. Sorry if that makes me a bad parent in your eyes.

philly said,
in April 28th, 2010 at 11:52 am
This girl was a stripper? What kind of strip clubs do they have down there? I don’t see how she could have possibly gotten a job stripping. Had to have been some pretty hard up customers visiting that club.

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Yes. It was bring your own teeth and pole night.

She had a friend who knew a guy… yada yada

Art – I’m an adult and I still pee in a cup for my job. LOL It is mandatory for all employees! LMAO

Right now my son is under my supervision. He, like all kids, deals with peer pressure. I’m just applying parent pressure to counteract the peer pressure. So far, it has worked well and he has told me more than once he is glad that I do it….because if he is tempted he just has to think about me springing a drug test on him and testing positive and not getting his license and he immediately makes the choice NOT to give into peer pressure. He’ll roll his eyes at me when I tell him it is test time but he does it with a smile.

By the way my nic is Tobias my boxers name. He is usually laying at my feet when I post.
Believe me when I say he is the defender of children.lol

Excellent argument robin.

robin I want neither walking the streets. BBL

It sounds like Texasmommy and JB are doing the job right. One child having unprotected sex and the other who will behave because mommy may make him pee in a cup. Sounds like a loving, trusting relationship.

I may be wrong but to me it doesn’t sound like you have prepared them very well at all.

Art, your assessment is not called for. I and many other parent are proactive and have our reasons. It is the particular points you make that are why educating our children is so important so that they may be able to ignore those that have a narrow mind and spew criticism such as the BS you have posted today. My children feel sorry for the ignorant but have no sympathy for the stupid,just as I taught them.

Art said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:09 pm It sounds like Texasmommy and JB are doing the job right. One child having unprotected sex and the other who will behave because mommy may make him pee in a cup. Sounds like a loving, trusting relationship.

I may be wrong but to me it doesn’t sound like you have prepared them very well at all.
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FTLOG Art, how do you know she isn’t married? Also, I had protected sex when I was in my late teens and early 20’s, guess what I still ended up pregnant with the joy of my life. It was a blessing to say the least. I think you must have no life and just need an outlet to rant and try to make yourself feel better. Go ahead, everyone alreadys sees you as a troubled person who prolly needs to pee in a cup and most likely needs to get laid. If you weren’t such an ass you might not have to pay for it either.

texasmommy39 said, in April 28th, 2010 at 11:05 am
I stopped the drug testin lmao about 17 months ago when I found out the youngest was pregnant.

For the record, this Art is not Art Harris unless he is in Connecticut right now.

Now directly to Art… We don’t allow someone to use different names in here unless you notify me of a reason you are changing it or unless you give everyone else in here the courtesy of telling them you have changed your name from one to another.

Art I am not sure what your agenda is in here but if it is to make everyone mad then it is best if you move on. I hardly think you would be qualified to tell JB and Texasmommy that they made mistakes in raising their children (OK so you didn’t say it in those words but from the way I read your comments that is how I see it)

So I am asking you now to lay off them and any other person joining us in the comment section here unless it is to discuss the subject being discussed without being rude to everyone else.

Thanks,

Jan Barrett

Does anyone know any good blogs where they talk about the Haleigh case – and actually reposnd to your post?

pezzu – sorry…been dealing with the charming character named “Art” and his relentless attacks on parenting.

But you are right pezzu…this blog is about Haleigh….not me, not Art and not our preference in parenting styles. My apologies.

I do have to say one thing about Hope. When I saw her I thought if Haleigh had not disappeared would this be her life we are looking at down the road? Would she have ended up like Hope? This is why it needs to stop, the drugs need to be stopped. jmo

No it isn’t OJ but the other name “Art” and “Big Bob” used was “Need to know”

Jan Barrett

pezzu said,in April 28th, 2010 at 12:35 pm Does anyone know any good blogs where they talk about the Haleigh case – and actually reposnd to your post?

Im with you!

Im here for Haleigh!

JB and Texasmommy! You two sound like great parents! Your kids are lucky to have caring loveing parents such as yourselves!

Robin…haven’t heard anything new today unfortunately. But I’m sure some people are scrambling and having some pow wow’s with their attorneys right now! LOL

Tanya…thank you. I’ve made my share of mistakes but my son is a good kid and we have a great relationship…even if I do make him pee in a cup! LOL Nothing some bogus blogger says can take from me what my son and I have. He is my world. 😀

okie – won’t get any floggings from me! I agree completely. They haven’t learned any lessons from being in jail. They haven’t learned from past run ins with LE. They haven’t learned from mistakes that were made and the ones that CONTINUE to pay for THEIR mistakes are their children. BREAK THE CYCLE! MAKE EXAMPLES OF THEM!

Tobias – I’m wondering if Timmy truly failed an LDT. From the transcript from NG it sounds like Werter is saying Tommy knows WHO is responsible but doesn’t know where the body is. I’m wondering if Timmy isn’t the one being pointed at by Tommy. But Misty has never mentioned Timmy. Chelsea hasn’t done her or her husband any favors by running her mouth all these months to Art Harris and anyone else who will listen…but she could be in damage control mode protecting her hubby. WHO KNOWS. I just wish whatever the truth is…SOMEONE, ANYONE would finally tell it already!

Tobias – i would be curious about Cobra and Timmy as well. Timmy has been VERY quiet throughout this whole mess. And he sure got the heck out of Dodge in a hurry. Even with his wife flapping her gums non-stop we haven’t heard a peep from him. Hmmmmmmm…..

Tobias – yup, the workboots comment was strange…seemed VERY out of place in the conversation. If she was talking about cleaning out the garage and talking about different things she came across like a stroll down memory lane then perhaps I could see it…but it was out of the blue and STRANGE to say the least. I’m not sure I have a “hinky meter” LMAO…but if I did…it certainly would have gone off after that statement! LOL So where can I get one of those Hinky Meters like you have Tobias!? 😆

I agree, tobias and JB. One thing I remember about my hubby’s work boots was that they made squeaky sounds on the floors that werent carpet. As in SQUEAKY SHOES??? JMO but I thought the whole work boot disposal topic was hinky also

Tobias – when was Hank in the accident and when did Timmy/Chelsea receive the call that he had been in the accident? Was Timmy and Hank in the accident together? Or were these seperate accidents?

JB, Timmy and Chelsea didn’t move out of town until July, that’s hardly getting out of dodge in a hurry.

Sorry, I was answering dpierce’s question.

JB, Thats another thing HGMand I both have scoured the newspapers for accident reports and havent found a thing. I know it was said to of happened on the way to Gainesville, Hank was hit by a drunk driver without insurance, the guy is in jail, never heard mention from Hank about Timmy being involved but Chelsea says he was. It happened Friday night ,Hank was taken to Shands, He was driving Chelsea and Timmys car, thats why they had the van.jmo

Tobias – it is difficult to say what Misty will do. Hopefully she will listen to her lawyer better. She’s gonna need it as far as I can tell. Obviously they know something. (TC and MC), and if it was just about not telling the truth, then they would have come out with it by now. I really feel that if MC or TC were not guilty in some way that we would already know what the truth is. Instead of all of the secrecy. I don’t think Hope knows anything. She’s obviously just a drug connection.

Tobias – thank you…so Timmy didn’t go to the hospital? Or he went and was released. I don’t see any of these folks passing on the chance to get drugs legal like! LOL And Chelsea said he had taken pain pills and went to be early. But to me it seems these people don’t take pain pills and go to bed….they get high and do stupid stuff while on the pills. If he had pain pills in the house, did Joe take some? That would be awfully tempting! Maybe he and Tommy scored some pills from Timmy…got high on them then went to Ron’s MH. I still want to know why LE was at Tommy’s house that night! I keep trying to piece together a timeline for all these people but DANG, seems like all of them were in the middle of some drama of one kind or another that night!

The videos are pretty cut and dry…they were all invovled in one way or another…knew EXACTLY what was going on and should be held responsible. And it certainly didn’t look like their first rodeo either! Ron talking about the guy with the percocets…he said “he gets them every month”…to me that sounds like Ron has known this guy for quite some time and has been getting pills from him for at least “months” per that conversation. They had plenty of contacts and connections for the pills. That didn’t happen overnight. And Hank was probably trying to help out the “family business” with his Dr. Shopping. Get some more pills for the kids to sell! Lisa was probably stealing checks (and purses) to fund the trips to the doctor or to buy drugs….they kept it all in the family…the redneck version of the mafia. LMAO “THE GODFATHER…starring MAGIC MAN HANK!” ROFLMAO

If thats innocent I would hate to see guilty.

I thought it was eye opening that Hank is worried about going to court the same day as the rest of them. He knows he is in real trouble too. Keeps wiping his face when he is talking about it.jmo

I don’t attack other bloggers..stop lying!
ignore me if I annoy you…
see how easy that was?

Tobias…well, if Hank was sweating bullets before, he is now after seeing Hope get 15 years. I think they are all sweating right now. I hope so anyway.

The sentance given to hope sykes is stupid and way off the mark.
Look at it this way,she was sat in the back of a car when someone exchanged a parcel. Thats all it was she never touched anything. Ask for being charged with trafficking drug thats a laugh. When you hear of trafficking you think of things being taken from country to country across the boarders. That can only meen that the usa class different states and areas as other countrys,which is also stupid.
The drugs mentioned were not class a like heroin,crack,or meth which are illegal but perscription drugs which are class c and legal,but hey what do you know they bang up the poor girl for fifteen years. I feel its been done to try and have a impact on the others and because the cops think the mentioned folk are guilty of something which the cops have no proof on,Haleighs disapperance and involvment of certain people is what the cops want to get them and charge them for,but since they cant do that the drug charges will have to do. As long as they have them under lock and key it will keep the general public and nancy grace happy,all the time hoping they will crack. If they havent done anything or are not involved with Haleigh going missing how can they crack

Good point Pezzu

Yeah, I didn’t see anyone holding a gun to anyone’s head saying “SELL ME SOME DRUGS”. Ron was even trying to get the UC to buy some Percocets that Ron could get his hands on. They did what they did on their own free will. I don’t think the UC was the only person they sold to and they obviously had connections to get the drugs. If they hadn’t sold to the UC, they might have been selling to someone’s kid…who might OD and die. I’m GLAD they sold to the UC and NOT YOUR CHILD! OR MY CHILD! Now they are off the street! THANK GAWD!

Carrie..what I find amazing is how many people were fussing about how LE wasn’t doing anything about all these druggies BEFORE the UC bust. Everyone was complaining about all the drug use, the crime, etc., and how LE was corrupt for letting it all go on under their noses. And THEN when they take these losers down in an UC sting you’ve got people screaming about how they were set up, how they are being railroaded, that the only reason they are in jail is because of Haleigh, blah, blah, blah. There is always going to be someone unhappy. Personally I applaud LE for getting these druggies off the street before another child went missing!

Shockwave said,in April 28th, 2010 at 7:41 am

Hello…did you even listen to the same radio show that I did? Are you not familiar with the case of Shaniya Davis? As far as Jr…yes, the whole world heard him say that he saw a man dressed in black. Then, did you hear the part where Crystal said she is not going to ask him questions? No, Jr. would NOT have been tested for drugs initially, because it was several months before the drug issue came into question, and testing children for drugs when at first you think it is a stranger abduction is not standard procedure. I am so tired of having to defend my comments which are based on facts to people like you who are only partially paying attention and biased towards CS. FO!
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LE would have accessed Ron’s record the day Haleigh went missing….not months later.

You seem to admit JR talked to the world on Geraldo, then you say Crystal wouldn’t let him talk….lol. She DID have him talk.

I pay attention….do you? Frankly your post makes little sense to me.

I form my own opinions based on the facts….not based on “theories” put forward by people who have never even met any of the people involved. Re the radio show, I trust TJ, but unlike you I question newcomers with their silly theories.

Just think if they locked up every person who was involved in selling or buying drugs for 15-20 years, and made them do at least 85% of that time – as they have Ronalds cousin – think of the dent they could put in the drug war.

Totally agree JB. I started to feel sorry for Hope but then I saw a picture of Haleigh.

As far as this “they were set-up” garbage, it is no different than a UC posing as a prostitute and arresting the “John’s” that come a callin’. If they weren’t soliciting for a prostitute, they wouldn’t be in trouble. If Ron, Misty and company weren’t out selling drugs, they wouldn’t be in trouble. They CHOSE to sell the drugs and were quite happy to do it (while skimming some pills off the top for themselves – LMAO). LOSERS!

Crystal – “When I see him [Haleigh’s brother], all he said is, ‘I want to find my sissy,’ and he said something about somebody in black took her. He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn’t question him, I’m not going to question him.”

Me – this is the statement I am referring to. Yes, Jr. said he saw a man in black. CS says she didn’t question him, and she’s not going to. What I am talking about is questioning him further, not the questions Rivera asked him. Not questions about people dressed in black. The question – did you hear Haleigh screaming? Did Misty cover you with the blanket the night Haleigh went missing? To prove whether or not Mrs. Hollar’s latest statements are true or not. I do not assume RC was sexually assaulting his daughter. It is just one of the many theories. Why is Haleigh dead? Why does Misty seem to be involved in it? Why does Tommy? Why isn’t RC more angry with MC? When speaking to Cobra…why didn’t RC say Haleigh’s name instead of calling her “my daughter?” Is it like the guest on the podcast said, because RC may have been sexually assaulting his daughter and this is a consistent language with sexual offenders. No, I don’t know RC, or any of them. I do not know if RC was doing anything like that, but I do know RC has exhibited some peculiar behavior. They all have.

Chrome…the only pics I saw of Hope’s sentencing were on Jacksonville . com… You’ll have to take out the spaces. Surely they’ve still got it posted. There were 10 pictures. Some of her, some of Ron and some of her family. No video that I saw anyway.

JB said,in April 28th, 2010 at 2:46 pm carolants…well, sorry but I disagree. Narcotics are just as dangerous as heroin, crack or meth.
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Alcohol is the most dangerous drug of them all. Kills more people than all other drugs combined. Kids falling off balconies at parties drunk, getting into cars with drunk drivers etc. Where I live 70% of street crime is being caused by alcohol. What a hypocritical society we live in.

Two weeks and Ron, Tommy and Hank are due in court. Not long for someone to talk and get a deal? Will Misty wait until she sees what they get or is she crumbling now? Sure wished she would tell the truth because I find the Joe story to be a frame up. jmo

This is the first time i have posted anything here. You folks are so smart and know so much about the law. I am wondering how Hope would ever be ever to pay the huge $250,000 fine while is prison? I don’t see how she or anyone else could pay that much ever. Thank You so much lets keep our fingers crossed this case will be solved soon.

Alcohol is the most dangerous drug of them all. Kills more people than all other drugs combined. Kids falling off balconies at parties drunk, getting into cars with drunk drivers etc. Where I live 70% of street crime is being caused by alcohol. What a hypocritical society we live in.

amen to that, me!

Anyone seen the Hope court footage in it’s entirety? If so… please direct me to it. TIA

b*a – someone else was looking for it earlier. I looked but never found it….only thing I found were still shots. Sorry.

Yeah ME, I know…you are the great and powerful OZ, (forgive me if I don’t bow in your presence or bring you a witches broom as I figure you’ve got plenty of your own) now go back behind the curtain and stop posting to me.

b*a…I looked everywhere I could think of….everyone has still shots but no video. We were talking about on NG’s transcripts that she said the family went nuts after the hearing, went after one of the cameras…but NO ONE has shown video or even still shots of that. Could just be more of NG’s sensationalism. We were just trying to verify whether it occurred or not. No proof found thus far.

Deborah…LOL…I know, I know…so many trolls, so little time….but you put a smile on MY face thinking about them being all warty! LOL

Tobias…I saw that…I looked at the info under the pic but they state they have no idea of his relationship to her. Maybe he’s one of the customers of the strip joint! LOL

Deborah,

The facts about drugs are available…and if you take the time to look at them, you will see that alcohol kills more people than all illegal drugs combined.

Deborah – careful…you’ll unleash the wrath of the great and powerful OZ upon yourself. Run Deborah, RUN! LOL

I guess if Ron and Misty were making moonshine we’d be talking about alcohol but they were arrested for selling drugs so we are talking about drugs. My grandparents were alcoholics. My grandfather died from falling down some stairs while drunk. My grandmother died from multiple organ failure due to alcohol. I’m well aware of the pitfalls, painful deaths and statitics related to alcohol. But they don’t really relate to this case so I haven’t been discussing them. I instead, am discussing the FACTS of THIS case as we know them which involves DRUG use.

ME~ I apologize, I misread and thought you were talking about knowing the facts to solve this case….So sorry…I am going outside and work in my flower garden.

You are correct with your facts pertaining to alcohol. If I am wrong, I will always make my apologies and move forward. Always, eager to learn. Thanks again for correcting me.

Deb

I have bookmarked and plan to return. In all sincerity, take a moment to share your smile today.

JB said,in April 28th, 2010 at 4:45 pm Deborah – careful…you’ll unleash the wrath of the great and powerful OZ upon yourself. Run Deborah, RUN! LOL
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Goodness JB. Get a grip.

JB – unlike “me”, I think you are pretty intelligent, and I agree with a lot of what you say. I don’t know why she tries to pick so many fights. We are all here because we care about how other people treat their children. If you don’t agree with someone you don’t have to be so nasty. There is a pleasant way of speaking how you feel.

I don’t post very often because of certain people that comes on here & jumps on people if they don’t have their opinion. Me, I seen your post on another blog.You said you were from another country and called that person ignorant too.Everyone has a right to post but I don’t see why you would call anyone ignorant & uneducated. I always thought J.B. was a very tolerant & patient person but everyone blows up sometimes.I don’t see much to defend with these drugies.All I care about are Haleigh & all the kids in this mess.

Grandma of 5,

Nice try but I don’t post on other blogs.

Grandma,

Are you one of those cyber stalkers?

Haleigh Family Sentencing
Hope Sykes Sentenced
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=37628

i am sure you all already saw these two clips. i did not see the whole video of the sentencing. i thought maybe the new agencies decided to hold back since the family was so upset???

Rehab only works if you want to be rehabed. Its like taking a horse to water and trying to make him drink. Why do you think she was so gung ho about probation and rehab? Why do you think people are constantly in and out of rehab? you have to want to quit. jmo

Iwould be curious since it was brought up about someone being from another country. What would other countrys (like Canada, Europe, Asia, Mexico or South America) do to drug dealers thats different from the US? Are we harder or softer in convicting drug traffickers? Just curious what others think. jmo

Karon, all I see are photos no video?

We are more lenient on traffickers here than other countries.
Getting back to the Hatfield and the McCoys down there in Florida, has anybody ever considered that maybe somebody is protecting Ron and maybe that’s why it took so long for Tommy to talk? Tommy would be the weak link, remember ‘ratgate’? They knew that. I still think that dear old mom, Teresa, is up to her eye balls in this. It took her less than 5 minutes to get to Ron’s that night and she lived 15 miles away. Her words not mine. Via YouTube on GretaWire. I think 15-25 yrs in prison for trafficking isn’t enough time for any of that bunch if that’s the best LE can do for little HaLeigh. They all of some knowledge of what happened to that little girl. IMO!!!!!

It was Hope’s connection that got her hung up. She set that deal up for Ron and Misty and of course their new found undercover buddy.
Donna Brock was along for the road trip. Stupid on her part.

Tobias:

I went back to radionewz blog, and I can only find a picture of Hope crying after she was sentenced. This is odd. They always leave them up much longer. I can’t find all of the pictures and the video I saw last night. That is the way things happen in this case. They are there and then they are not. I don’t know what happened. I will keep looking. There were 10 pictures and a short video. LE may have thought these pictures would have a bad effect on their cases.

Iwonder what Katrina thought was going on when she was waiting for Misty to come back to the car, then Misty goes to collect her purse to put the drugs in and Katrina still waits until the bust goes down then she high tails it?
Bet shes thanking her lucky stars that Misty didnt get in her car before the bust went down or she would be serving time too. Think it over,Katrina knew she had to of known. jmo

Everyone in Fla. knows its one of the toughest on drugs it is 85% she will do the 12 years. Google it. jmo

This is uncharitable of me but when I look at Hope Sykes, I think of Linda Blair in “The Exorcist,” when she is possessed, and spewing garbage from her mouth, on the bed, during an exorcism. I know that comment could put me on the express train to hell!

It seems that Art Harris/the Bald Truth is a sensitive issue with many of the Bloggernewser’s, but other than a misguided writer named Frieda, whose nonsensical letters can be skipped over entirely, almost everything that is discussed is about Haleigh and the assorted players, mixed in with personal observations and hard lessons learned. There is very little name calling. Much more civil.

There is no reason we can’t have fans on both sites. There is much to be learned from each one.

I see lots of new comments from people who normally write here, on Art’s site now. I’ve been reading/commenting on Art’s site for over a year (under another moniker) and I think the reason why so many of you are switching over is because you are tired of the baiting, the bullying and rampant name calling.

I will continue to read both sites, as most of the posters are really here for Haleigh.

Oh Texas Mommy, I am so, so sorry about your daughter. Tis more than the heart can bear.

great i talk about triple checking my comments and as i push post my comment, i see i misspelled grandma. errr! sorry, i meant grandma of 5!

I’m looking for a video of Crystal and Marie on WTEV way back in February of ’09, the one where Crystal takes forever to answer the question, “What do you think happened to your daughter?” and she takes forever to answer.

If you know the clip I am talking about, anyone have a link? TIA!

Tobias, reason i question the 85% minimum is bcz i was with someone who got put in jail there. I left and went back to my state. That person then was Paroled a year later… so… are you saying Parole is only disallowed in drug cases or at a certain level of felony crime… bcz this was a felony i’m talking about… it happened 15 years ago so maybe the laws have changed. I guess I just don’t understand at what level or crime the 85% mimimum parole kicks in. Again it was 15 years ago. and no I was not charged myself, in case anyones wondering. I had nothing to do with the crime. I was only the one who drove us to Daytona. LOL, the good ‘ol bad days.

OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 10:54 am she was way way overcharged..her so called lawyer did zilch for her

way overcharged,I pray you aren’t talking about C/A?

Hi cathy Sorry you always come by when I am getting ready to go to bed.lol

Hope should have listened on Jan. 3 when she was caught wih drugs and stayed out of trouble.
Ron should have been a better cousin too. jmo
Talk to you later Cathy I have to get up early for work .

Did not mean to upset you,I always defend Caylee,my apologies!! Honest Oj,It was the post before it i thought you replied too,lol TG then!

And i did say,,,were you?? not you did,lol

Many are talking about the youth and their abuse of Rx drugs etc. From what I have seen in my limited social life, there are women in their 40’s & 50’s popping oxi’s, a therapist in her 70’s, and a doctor in his late 40’s who died of what i would bet my shirt was an OD from cocaine.

If you go to an ER with pain and tell them you don’t like pain killers and would prefer an alternative answer to your problem they will look shocked and say well then I’ll write you an Rx. for Motrin. People are beginning to request unnecessary surgeries, making up back pain and teeth pain and it’s surely not only the youth. I have serious doubt that lengthy prison terms for petty dealers are going to eliminate this massive problem, when doctors and hospitals are doling out these pills like water.

i see something about about mandatory sentencing, but not about mandatory amount needed to serve to be elligible for parole so ill just take your word for it since i’m on the outside and checking to see how much she’ll have to serve seems like a waste of my freetime.LOL I’ll let her look it up since she’s the one who’ll have to know.YIKES but it did seem as though its for DRUG related crimes only . The felony i referred to was not a DRUG crime so maybe that why parole was allowed so early. I guess it would have to be drug related like this was. Looks like a special provision for the state of Florida to curb illegal drugs coming in from so many easily accessible ports. Drugs must be rampant down there if theres a special parole provision for Drug caes only. YIKES again!

That judge who sentenced Hope looked unfriendly TOWARDS HER!

See, I mispelled favorite.LOL That’s what happens when you let people like that get to you. Thanks again ms peridot

TexasMommy,my heart aches for your very painfull loss.Im sorry to hear this happened to one of your babies.Huffing isnt something parents would look for,an never even think about a so young of a child,being around it.

Just one.your with the coke,such a sad story,i hope everything is better now.

For all who have suffered ,or had love ones suffer because of any type drug .I so feel for you,we to fought battle in our family.

But if we got wind,of drug use,we were all over it,seeking the dealers out warning them,to not any give,sell or offer ours any more.an to tell there buddies.Me,an my third sister would go right to their door,fighting for ours.One we had to get the oldest of us,to go to a family Judge,who handles things like this,an we signed the person over to them,at that time one of ours was in her early 30,an the judge sent to pick her up,if not willingly,they would cuff them an take them.

To a place called Morris village,for in house rehab.We werent allow to visit untill ours was dried out,an won her privilidges for a visit.They searched us going un,an leaving,just like prison visits.But the difference in prisons is they can get counseling,but now have to pay for dr,meds,an counseling out of comisary funds,after the initinal 45 day intake to check for blod sicknesses.health issues dieases,as well as mental health to see if they are stable enough to go into population.

After that they have to pay, 2 dollars for dr.Some would rather have a honey bun,an their health suffers.Schooling comes to those with the shortest sentences first,an those with the earliest release dates.

I dont think 12-18 nare evil,i think it would be better to place them in in house rehabs,an they get all the useful tools for life on the outside.15 YR PRISON SENTENCE,would be more useful for the person,as getting better,learning why they are there,what was the reason they run to drugs,instead of to an adult who could help them.Help them deal,learn to deal with child hood pains.abuses,molestations,an drug use.Learn how to be more productive in society,an how to be better young people. Prisons do not teach these skills,an they have some programs,but many dont go.art allowed untill they get closer to their time,to be over.

I know this from going nto many prisons male,an femal.On got his throat cut,last time i went to a male prison,an i stopped the male prisons,these many rapes,gang rapes there.Homosexuality runs rampid.Stealing of comisarrys,food.t shirts,an prodicts.The are place all together murders,child rapest,child molesters,strong armed robbers.They are placed with violent prisioners.Now many child offender do have to go back into protective areas set aside (cells) if they dont fit in,or viloence come to them.

Female prisons i still visit.They are all together mental,violent ,child killer,child molesters,an there are female child molester(ones called the peanut butter molester) to vile what she did to her baby,so i wont tell any more.But after the adjust ment,when they comeoff there 45 day intake,when they arnt with other prisioners.No rapes,none of that,but mich fights between lovers.Dominate prisioners,whp have life,or lwop are mean.Yhey fall dead,one a while back in the count line.

Green wood where Susan Smith has neen,in 2005 i was visiting that prison for a few yrs,she was doing fine.Sitting with family laughine doing fine.One lady told me she had sported a black ey,or 2 in the beginning ,but not in a while,she has her a protective lover.

In Columbia,a female prison,much older than Greenowwd,leath correctional ci

camille griffen graham in columbia is very old run down,but lighter,an not a stif,formal,an hard on their prisioners.Many child murderers ,child abusers the peanut butter mothers at this one.Homosexuality runs rampit,if caught lock down,an priviledges removed,but most gaurads know whats going on,a lot of the gauards like wemon,one just got in trouble from corrisponding with a outside released inmate.We have food an church programs for mothers,an their children.

One woman i feel so sorry for ,she got 40 yrs for neglect 85 persent //means 85 persent time served.Unless they change the law.This young lady played no part,was proven to play no part in the crime,an she got 40 from a really tough judge.

I saw another get a softer judge an many know he murdered a child,a long list of violence,he got LWOP,but because of a notifucation prosses,that man got a appeal,an his crime sentence was dropped to 20 yrs.My My .

I FIND THE REAL CRIMINALS THE REAL MURDERERS,mOLESTER RAPEST SODIMIZERS -GET OFF MOST OF THE TIME,WITH LIGHTER SENTENCES.,AN PETTY CRIMINALS GET TOUGH SENTENCES.

Hope got 15 yrs,the man who attacked,the teen got 5 yrs,an now has alledgedy murdered 2 more tenns.if he had got 15 those girls may be alive,or a one strike on major crimes against babies teens.

So do we call them evil,an heard them away like cattle.Or do we weed the process,an the violent criminals,an real hard core drug dealers out ,to do prison time.

An change the law for drug abousers,amall petty dealers of few offence,first time ,second time offence.

Do we want a systenm to take these young,an put them in a school,rehab,counseling,parenting an life skills to be taught,when they get out they will surely be better people,healed,taught skills to get a job,skills to be a parent,skills to learn to say no to drugs.The woman who strangled the 15 yr old in gang related deal,she was 16/17 she didnt get LWOP,Life,she got 30 for a violent crime.Hope will be doing half the sentence for a murder,because she got high,rode with them selling friends who got high pills.A temtation to a drug abuser,set in front of the by a man/uc who temped them with their drug of choice,girls were broke.He that looked good who throws around that many pills,hes the man ,we girls will do what he wants hes the big supplier.AS WE KNOW 98 PERCENT OF THOS PILLS BELONGED TO THE STATE,AN THE 200 WHAT A TEMPTATION TO USERS, WoW HE PASSED THEM JUST AT THE TIME THE BUST WENT DOWN,MAKING SURE THEY COUNTED THEM.

I cant say if that many had been handed over to me,no money,no sale of those.lol i may have taken them 2 in my young days.That big buts as i say helped the real drug trade in putnam,how??those were only a small amount of street pills,the rest came from the supplier the state.

Now i would try an have mine childs case moved to another county.Because this drug bust has been bias from the beginning.I dont believe any of the persons can get a fair trial.because even though LE REPORT! the drug case has nothing to do with,no barring on the Haliegh case.Thats a dang lie,because whe have heard Cobra,an big dealers,an dealers name were mention,i only see one in jail Jarome,none of the others,no drug raids,no new bust.Just these 5.They will get a bias,predijust Judge.

I think fifteen is excessive but at the same time don’t feel sorry for this B!@#h !If iy were a different person I would feel bad. But it’s possible someone could accidentally get caught in it who doesn’t deserve it. Someone above mentioned Katrina, from one video i saw of her she doesn’t seem deserving of mandatory fifteen, What if she was caught too. SAME sentence, no dount.. The TIME does not fit the CRIME ,IMO. Some Mandatory jailtime does fit though.jmo again. If 85% is the minimum served they should make it a 4 year sentence and make ’em serve minimum of 3! Catch the big dopers and make them serve 15 not the petty ‘carriers’. Maybe doctors should start being sentenced for handing out unecessary prescriptions and ruining the lives of those who can get caught up in it. I’m sure no single indivudual could need more than 3 per day for 30 days and even that is excessive. Put a ban on doctors prescribing more than 90 pills in a month to a single individual. 45 would be even better!

Also wondering why there isn’t a central data base for all pharmacies so people couldn’t go from one to another Rx. shopping. As bad as things are getting though who knows what people might do to get these drugs. It’s bad.

I think the LAW defining fifteen is what’s corrupt not the officers/ judges, themselves. They can only go by the law and the minimum was set before them. Change the law not the judge. He did the right thing by not letting her walk. It’s only the statute itself that is making it look that way. The judge did not SET the minimum of the crime she committed. He can’t just let ppl walk who deserve it and show no remorse based on the fact he thinks the minimum itself is too high or everyone would walk. He only determines if the person shows lack of remorse or probability of recommittinbg an offense. She walked two weeks prior. He determined based on that and APPLIED the law. He did not set the law he only APPLIED it. Corruption would be defined if he observed no remorse or saw probability of crime happening again and turned a blind eye. Mafias work that way when they plant judges who turn a blind eye. If you want to stop the corruption change this LAW not this JUDGE. He only did what was right.

… as far as the lawyer being inept .. i’m sure with video evidence against her the only thing to do would be to plea bargain with the state for information… which she was probably unwilling to give… what more could she do… is there accomplice to drug trafficking ..i’m not sure .. i doubt it.. and from what I hear she was the one providing the hookup… no contest was about all she had unless she went to trial and wasted the states time with the evidence against… maybe she should feel lucky shes not getting twenty-five. one last time i say judges only APPLY the law.. change the law not the judge. Throw the corruption arguments at the law not at the ppl who APPLY it correctly.

anyone with reasoning can see she had no remorse in the video and the can also see that the probability of happening again was great considering two weeks prior she walked. nothing more you can judge on unless the person is deemed not mentally liable which she is not. Thats why you always dress appropraiate for court and act accordingly bcz the showing remorse plays a big part. The judge could’ve sentenced further by that video the prosecuter showed but he gave the minimum mandatory. He was as lenient as was possible by law.

It was Hope’s connection. Hope set up the buy. That’s why she took Misty in the to meet the seller….That’s where Hope’s trafficking charge came from.

im the typo queen,sorry.I was writting never finished,or got to reread befor my post,i was trying to get mysons dog in,an she was giving me a fi,i got up.Hit thepost butten before i ment to,so its a mess lol.Sorry guys my bad lol

Something 7 said,in April 28th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

—-i think, the new laws regarding doctors prescribing in florida kick in this year? i believe it is “looking for justice” who knows about that. and your post at 9:54, that is the way i understand it all.
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OJ’s glove said,in April 28th, 2010 at 9:22 pm wrong ms.per..hope was way way overcharged BECAUSE of the haleigh case..its all political now..the cops, DA’s office, the judge are appeasing the pressures they themselves face..and if that means pinning low level offenders with major TRAFFICING sentences, so be it! The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!! Hope’s lawyer did SQUAT for her!!
the drunken SHYSTER!!!!!!!!!!!
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hello oj’s glove, i don’t want anyone to be treated unfairly. but, this whole drug problem is really out of control. what are we going to do about the whole major drug abuse issue?

if we really don’t try to fix it, them we are contributing to it.

o.j.’s glove i don’t mean to not directly aknowldge your point. i do understand. and i really wish there was a way to hit higher ups! i agree with “something 7” said at 09:54 about the judge having to follow the law and how he applied it.

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wow it really feels like we get so far from haleigh sometimes. we are focusing on so many different people!

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you two don’t get it..
its POLITICAL now!
Hope was fed to the wolves by her “attorney” who is in cahoots with the prosecution!
LE, the judge, the DA’s office want someone, anyone to FRY!!!!!!!!! they are under pressure too and will burn at the alter of their CAREERS an innocent passenger in the car! SHAME on LE!! the dirtbags!

so what charge would just a witness to the deal in the backseat get ? just curious…

what other charge is there to give her?

Hope Sykes was not just a passenger in the car.
Hope set up the drug deal for over 100 pills and made the connection for the buy. She took in the money with Misty, bought the pills and then with Misty, delivered them to the undercover cop who was waiting in the car with cousin Ron. Hope even made a profit for setting up the deal, she got a couple of pills out of the deal. That constitutes a single charge of trafficking in any state.

conspiracy to watch others engage in trafficking is not a charge. either there or not… walk in with or not… set up with buyer or not…. only thing that could be political is the setup of the sting but they did not force them to traffic to them. the judge gave the mandadtory minmum. Least frying possible allowed by law on that charge… only hope could not choose to take plea bargains… if she was only in the backseat then video would show that and the lawyer would have went to trial to clear her… i saw on one of several her walking to the deal…Ron saying how far you girsls gotta go.. she was more than backseat. she was not in all videos but was in one for sure walking to the dope house. I admit it is tough to actually see her get out of the vehicle , but the context of what happened and sound is there to back that up.She walked with misty to the dope house in the know of a deal happening. Political or not the sentence was correct. She woulda got hit with an extra ten if it went to trial for wasting everyones time with the evidence against her. Obviously they had more than this one tape of evidence against her. If it was political that doesn’t mean its not correct. stings happen all day long all week all year. its part of LE …how else to catch criminals if they dont amass evidence.

dont fail to realize the undercovers word also ,not just video… in trial she woulda got fryed worse

testimony by the undetrcover about what was said would be damning

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looks like I have a stalker..
stillucy, are you pinky too?

tobias said,in April 28th, 2010 at 8:00 pm Everyone in Fla. knows its one of the toughest on drugs it is 85% she will do the 12 years. Google it. jmo
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It’s a shame they’re not as hard on Sex Offenders.

When does Snodgrass go to court again?

I see Donald Sapp, at least, is still in custody, although he was out and about, and hadn’t informed authorities of his new Satsuma address when Haleigh went missing. I really hope LE investigated him, his connection to Haleigh’s family is just too close for comfort IMO

I wonder what would have happened with this case if it hadn’t have gone National/International?

Pinky and her insults sounds very familiar.

Thank you Mary!!!

If one is DR shopping ,an knows the laws.When they get the scrips filled,if DEA catches it.That person will be flagged in the puter pharmcy system. Look at the puter next trip,ask you Pharmasist to show u.In the top righ corner,a small read flag will show,if to many scrips have been fill, of narcotic pain meds.Under 1 persons name.

Many who have dr shopped They use different ID,different SSN,an filled many narcotic scrips usualy go from one DR,an one drug store, to the next,different towns,counties.Untill the DEA catches that.They have pretty much cracked down in the state of SC. After the North Myrtle beach big DR bust,an lawsuits for Oxycontin.One DR even was reported to have shot his self,one fled the country.They were handing scrips over the counter,after you had a MRI through them,they set out to filling your purse with scripts.

I am under pain mang.For a terminal illness,that we are trying to get under remission,i have a appt with a specalest,treatment DR,in May,i also fell a few flights on a job,working construction,which i hve worked many yrs of my life,the tie off broke where i had my safty harness tied to.I fell,an many surgeries later,an even a stimulater placed in my spin,where the fluids at.it run to the brain,an to the spots the pain was worse,so i would need no meds,but it broke off,an more surgery.I have epidurals,an just now found out the want to check me for lymphoma,where my limpnodes are swollen around my pancrus.Oh My Goodness i just cracked up at th drs,he wound up laughing to.Told him im not believe this,an not about to buy it.Better to laugh that cry.It may just besomething else causing the enlargment,but hey ives smoked for yrs.Ughhhh. I sure do take my narcotic pain meds,an need them.IM ON 150 A month.I function mentaly well,,lol even though my spelling,an typos are many.lol but i need to have pain relief,so to the poster who said put a tag on dr,about how many they can write,thats not a good plan for the sick.,lol really not good for people like me,but i have a strict pain DR.She does dreat epadurals ,doesnt hurt as bad as some who have stuck me!!!

How ever i do agree with montering,drug screens,an pill counts.An making sure the person has the medical papers to back what they are saying.An are there for.

I was born in Sandord Florida,so i get mad,when i hear about, pain mangments like the Flordia strip,where theres many.An people load their cars,with addicts,an head there,an get many scrips,come to other sates an sell them,they should be closed down,or DEA on them always..

Compassion ,not hate,I will ride the area here where the working girls are,instead of going out of my way to another street,when heading to the ocean.,an see those strung out,so pitiful,so sad,someones child out thers..If i can help one, I have helped some mothers child.What if it was mine.

I helped a 13 yr old runaway be reunited with her parents when i had a major run in with her pimp in Nashville,in 89 (i lived there for 12 yrs) shes home an safe last i heard.

I have taken many in my home,an weened them off drugs,helped them get jobs,an get on their own.Some when i feel that uncomfortable feeling ,When Gods warning me.I leave that one alone.I remember on my way accross a bigh bridge,leading into another county.I saw a person wrapped in plastic,it was storming out.I said God,if they are there when i get back,ill know you want me to help.Well that person was still walking wrapped in plastic.So i stopped,it was a tiny woman. guess where she was comming from lol Florida.I took her to a shelter,i had no room at the time,an she got help,a place to stay for a month.Safe out the storm,food,an a safe bed to sleep in,bible studies,an many jobs avalible it was the start of summer.At least a bad person didnt get her tiny little self,an she was ok for a while.

Once prayed with a young woman on a dirty old jail bathroom floor.She repented,an God showed her favor,charges got thrown out,she now works with the youth,an has a building where the word of God is preached,an taught.

I tell you this no horn being tooted,because these people are worth saving,helping.I aways said if i do good to those who can help their self,I believe God will send someone to do good by mine,if their ever in trouble.What good is it to help those who need no help,or to be doing it to those to look good,an get in good with those who could care less because they think they need nothing.

When i see our youth dieing going to prison,addicted i just weep. An their babies dieing because they are so out there,murders,accidents children getting guns,drugs an death comes is so sad.

I know some mother hurting tonight some childs strung out somewhere,an she doesnt know if she will see them come home,ever.

Then when i read the hate,an contempt for these who are in so much trouble,not just these here,but all over.

You see we can brag,an even say well mine wouldnt,i wouldnt allow it.I say you have many more decendents comming,an you dont know what you may face in the future.

Most know my families went through a 2 yr old being brutaly beaten to death,an what we went through being accused,media,lost jobs accusations.3 trial.but i told in the end the murderer wasnt any of us,not one of my family members.We didnt even get 1 im sorry for putting you, an your through this,we finaly had time to grieve our lost 2/3 yrs later.So when i see news,an clips i question my self,an say hey do you believe it,or is this what some did to us.I wait for evidence,not gossip,an reinacted tapes.

Jesus has compassion.I want to be more like him,when he said i came to save them,not condem them. An as i read he says in james 3, a tounge is a unruly evil member of our body,it drips poison,the tounge can be tamed by no man. Then i read on an Gods word say what we speak comes from our heart.its not what goes in that defiles us,its what comes from our hearts,to our lips,an we speak it,an will be judged for the very words we speak.

I read about sin,he says we all have sinned,an fallen short.when all were ready to stone the little woman,Jesus knew their hearts,so he stooped,wrote in the ground,an said plainly those OF you with out sin,cast the first stone.The woman washed Jesuses feet with her hair,an tears,anointing him with fine oils.The self rightious crowed said why are you messing with her shes a sinner.Jesus let them know right quick,she had showed more love than,all that bunch combined.

Then i see the sins he says those will have a portion in hell for /unless they repent,an turn from their wicked ways,our ways.

They are Murder-adultries-lies-maliciousness-GOSSIP-backbitting-bitterness-wrath-envy-unmercifulness-deciet-pride-drunkards-fornicators-blasphemy-idolatry-filthy cumunication-lovers of the same sex–busybodies-false accusers-all of these things,God calls sins.Fruts of the fleshly part of us,not being spitural.He says repent,an turn from our wicked ways

An he says we as belivers should be
kind to one another-mearciful when we see somone in a fault,lead them back,knowing we could also fall into a trap.-being meek an not heard hearted-long suffering to do right–loving others as we love our selves,our own.- having joy singing prases to the lord,praying always,not just for ours, for others as well-speaking truth-being peacful,not having meaness,riotious hearts.

When i see a 8 yr old who has shot his dad,an another.I wonders is he not one who could be helped,Guns were placed where he could get them,he had see deer killing,cutting of their throats,he heard his dad say lets put it out of its misery,should that child be charged as an adult????this is old,an already handled.

when a accident happens,an some panic an cover it up,should they get the DP,or live in prison untill they die.What would you give them??

How about small time people who swap,an sell a few pills to each other,who all have drug addictions,need to make 20 dollars,an get a few pills for their selves??? 98 percent of the pills were supplied by the state,UC agent,cleaning only 25/50/or 100 pills off the streets. should they go down for only thir pills or all. Should those ,get big time traffickers bonds ,time,an fines,as>>>

Should they go down like a big time 15 million dollar drug sting ,with uncut meth,an coke,pot pills money trucks,servalence systems,bringing drugs in from another country.Should the samll frys get the same bonds,an time as the large orginized dealers get???

Should we not pray for them,it could very well one day be one of ours.

Is it alright to tie two crimes together,when trying,an sentencing those in one crime,not commetted at the same time ,a yr,or more later the seperate crime was done.Should those to be throwed together,even if theres been no one charged from the first crime.an may not be.

Wouldnt we think or want if it was ours,to get a fair trial.To change counties from the bias court,town.Judge.Or will it be ok that people get tried in the media getting hard time,with no evidence,.Should Videos be allowed in all trials?? Even if it could sway a jury,or cause a judge to give harsher sentences.

Should all teens be tried as adults.

A 12 yr old watches wrestling,an starts to play with a younger family member,he then gets carried away with his moves,an the smaller child gets hurt,or dies,should that 12 yr old go to adult prison???

What going on with the youth today.parents once had control,but have lost it.Is it a spiritual sign of the times?? Is evil running rampit,an distroying our babies,an youth???

Did stopping parents from being able to punish their children through spanking,have children changed sence then,where they can call 911 if a parent trys to rule them,as parents should.I am not speaking of abuse,im speaking of being able to keep your child home,an not allowing them to cuss you,an walk right out the door.

How about going through your childs things,to watch for drugs in the home,an other things?? Or do we now have to stand back an worry DCS will take our??

When all the abuse,child rapes,drugs drinking in homes the state,lets the children stay,an screams fould ,understaffed if one dies that they didnt remove.

If a parent has already been warned,an still fails drug test,should the state let them walk away letting that child/children stay in that home???

We need to fall on our faces,an cry out for change before God.Then try every thing possinle to get stiffer laws for those who murder their own,an all child murderer,rapest,an crimes against little ones in sexual crimes.A one strike law be set into place,not unless proven,no doupt remaining.,hasnt it been proven that these criminals cant be reabilitated,wont change havent changed.Getting a man out on 30,000 bond for sodomizing a child,an a teen rides in a drug car an get 100,000 bond,one man takes a teens panties an tries to choke her,molesting her.He gets 5 yrs,to get out an alledged to have now comitted 2 more murders.WHY??? WHAT CAN BE DONE???

God word said a gross darkness would cover the land,an even a grosser darkness will cover the people.Darkness is evil-gross darkness has to be far worse than what were even seeing now.Its time to repent,an all return to our lord,an pray,humbling ourselves before him,that he would heal our land,heal ,an fight against this wickedness.America has had a great falling away from God,it happened before 911,an then they ran to God,but im afraid we have all got comfortable,once again..

He told his deciples to watch,an pray,but they slumbered an slept,what many are doing today.If we would have known what time the theif was comming to break in,we would have been prepared.WHY cant we see the thief,is come to steal,an murder our babies,an distroy our youth.are we watching ,are we preparing,or is America in a slumber!!!

Pinkyandduhbrain said,in April 28th, 2010 at 11:42 pm The Mutt Troll. Alternatively known as Dogs or Yapping Dogs, characterized by their loud barking – vociferous, REPETITIVE, usually IGNORANT and irrational criticism of anything and anyone they do not like. Likely to have no real friends, rarely clean their house, poor personal hygiene, frequently blog in their skivvies while eating junk food.

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WTH? The quality of posts is going seriously downhill here.

Why in the world are people like you insulting and name calling people that you disagree with? It never used to happen here.

I respect OJ’s opinion. If you don’t like what he has to say, perhaps you should ignore him rather than behave like a 10 year old and reply by calling him names?

Geesh.

Speaking of Hope, once upon a time I think we had more hope. Just trying to keep a roof over our heads has become such an effort it is hard to focus on the needs of our children. Mothers and Fathers needing to work and leaving Television and electronics to entertain our children. Have you seen what’s out there? Reality shows where the more obnoxious the better, Xbox games where kids can entertain themselves in the life of crime. Sex sex sex, every commercial, magazine, song and subliminal message. Women thinking they are worthless without bulbous implants in their chests. I think the priorities have gone askew! Than we spend
endless hours trying to find someone to pin this all on “politics”. It’s the republicans
fault no the democrats, oh and for sure the President whoever he may me at the time. How much has the credit card industry effected our lives. Thinking we have money to purchase what’s been shoved down our throats and later realizing we are in debt up to our noses. Weren’t thinking about those interest rates at the time. We have to have cable T.V now so we don’t miss the one decent show from the myriad of choices. Cell phones for every family member, and just try living without the internet. But, when all else fails as we ponder our problems we can always “pop a pill”. So simple. An antidote for all the complications in our lives. Not working though folks, just compounding the problems.

Somehow we need to get back to basics and simplify our lives a bit. How? Not sure at this point, but God could have the answer.

And on that note I have to figure out how to get through this day, if i have enough money for food, gas and bills. Oops, did I take my antidepressant and blood pressure meds yet?

Have a nice day folks, maybe things will get better. Love, peace I’m out.

God bless little Haleigh.

Peace, maryd, and an excellent post. I am struggling to raise three grandchildren, ages 13, 14 and 15, and whenever the going gets tough I think of Haleigh, and her brother, and all the others that are not with us anymore, that never had a chance to grow up, and I thank God every day for the challenge He has given me in the form of my grandkids.

May your cupboards always be full and you have gas in your car, remember, we don’t always recognize the blessings when we see them.

Jan57, your faith and belief are contaigous, and you are a brave soul. I wish you love and luck.

Pray for peace for Haleigh, pray for discovery, pray for justice. Always believe, never lose the faith.

Don’t get to post often, but do get to read occasionally, yall are a great group, have a wonderful day.

Good Morning Shock. Is it safe to come out? LOL

Good Morning Vietnam.LMAO
I am not surprised BNN was burning hot yesterday.
Is there any new news today? I have not been near my comp. since yesterday.
I just want to say TY everyone for your kind words and thoughts sent to my family and myself.
If there is anything I would want everyone to remember is AIR FRESHNER KILLS and it is a new high for our young people, so be watching closely and throw them all away. Febreeze is much better!!!!

tex – I have to say that I moved the air freshner from under my kitchen sink into my bathroom! LOL You DEFINITELY made me stop and think.

Nothing new that I can find. Been googling and binging Haleigh and it is all old news….unfortunately….*sigh* 🙄

TY, I am so glad to hear that JB 🙂
JB do you remember the show Simon did and TJ let slip a little something about Marie? It was March 1st.

Yes.
Remember how quiet it had been for weeks before?

Yeah….like it is right now! UGH!

Misty also says that Haleigh went to bed in her pink Hannah Montana t-shirt and underwear. Haleigh was wearing shorts prior to bed but took them off because she hated clothes. Haleigh liked to strip down to her underwear.
In the original police report Misty said she woke up just before 3am therefore she should of seen two something. Misty also first said Haleigh was in her pjs and then said t-shirt and underwear in the 911 call, but Misty may have referred to the shirt and underwear as pjs so to me this is no big deal. It only got my attention when just a few minutes after the 911 call she said in the report that Haleigh was wearing a pink shirt and tan shorts. It would of been nice if she would have detailed that it was a Hannah Montana shirt.

LOL NO I am not a insider…no matter what Hgmom says.
I am thinking that incident started the investigation moving again. Soon there after we had Connie stop by remember and set us straight with nothing of value. It was surprising to me that Connie did not know more about Crystal and was not able to share anything that suggested they are talking and are close now, like they used to be.

lfj…well, if she was stripped down to a t-shirt and underwear why would Misty say on the 911 call that she was wearing tan shorts? Probably because Haleigh went missing that evening while she was still wearing tan shorts…long before she would have gone to bed. Hmmmmmm…..Misty slips up so many times but it is hard to figure out which is the truth and which is her “bogus cover-up story”. It can’t ALL be the truth, obviously. Either she was in the pink shirt and underwear, or she was in PJ’s or she was wearing shorts…WHICH IS IT MISTY?????

Jb you are so welcome! You know what is missing from all the testament? NO Bath time.

They don’t keep prisoners because of overcrowding. Let them be overcrowded, and piss all over each other as far as I’m concerned. At least the heavy criminals. Hell will be overcrowded too.

Kate – my feelings get hurt easily. Where’s my hello? LOL

I’ve been confined to my home for a few weeks due to illness and lucky for me all of the blog stuff related to the Anthony trial hit the news so, I started researching sites. And now I’m an avid follower. What better way to keep up and stay informed. There is so much information out there. It’s really amazing. Now I know why my kids are zombies when they’re online! We all sit in the same room on our lap tops, I guess you can call it family time even though we don’t communicate too much with each other. That sounded creepy.
This experience has overall been great. I really enjoy the blogradio show on Sundays. Very informative. Great guests. But, opinions and facts are just that. Why some take them as personal attacks and then persoanlly attack others, I don’t get that.
I am just waiting for this case to break wide open with justice for little HaLeigh and I do blame both of those families for whatever has happened to her. They all share some responsibility for the lifestyle that they chose to live with those children. And, I don’t care what or who the PCSD have to intimidate or harass to get the answers that they need to bring this to an end.
I look at it as all is fair game now!
Thanks, JB

Shockwave, the biggest HELLO of all to YOU!!!

JB said, in April 29th, 2010 at 8:45 am
lfj…unfortunately I can’t watch the video at work…..most vid’s are blocked from our network. But thinks for locating it…I’ll try to watch it tonight at home!

JB how do you justify blogging all day long on your employer’s time and bandwidth?

lfj, very interesting!!! So after I am done with this March 1 wrap-up episode I have to go watch that hypnosis session. I’ve only watched parts and have always meant to watch the whole thing. What is the best link, do you think?

And stillucy, I agree. This has been a great experience for me. I have never “made friends” online and I am really loving it. But yes, why is it that people hide behind their nics and treat people in ways that they never would in person. It’s awful.

Morning Stillucy!

lfj – true about bath time….no mention of it. Of course, she did laundry with no detergent so the kids would probably be bathed without soap…if they were bathed at all! Sheesh.

Thanks JB,
I have not been on this blog about this case in a long time had to give it up for a while just got to me to much!
Nothing was being done untill judge LaRue came in the picture! I hope he cleans up the place, these people have learned if they can hide a body untill nothings left that they can get away with the crime!
Thank GOD,they got them on the drug charge!Good morning everyone since i didn,t say it before!

YOU GO JUDGE LaRue!

Shockwave it is very frustrating!!!! I had watched the hypnosis vid before , but I guess I did not listen well. I could not believe what I had missed!! Misty gave accountability to Feb. 9th, 2009; not Feb 10th. Misty should have started out waking to find Haleigh gone and what happened after that.
Misty knows what happened to Haleigh it is evident!! NG was WRONG!! Apparently a bunch of dope heads can keep a secret for a long period of time if it meand their arses are involved!!!

JB if Misty is bound and determined to not let Her child go to bed with a blanket smelling of pee, then why would you let your child go to bed smelling of pee? They woke up late that morning. Haleigh must of wet the bed Sunday night. No mention of bathing her before school. They were in a hurry. Haleigh came home from being in school all day then playing outdoors riding bike, popping wheelies and yet no mention of a bath. Misty mentions getting Haleigh ready for bed that is it. Perhaps it was not pee on that blanket!!!

TJ Ward said the peed blanket plays a very big roll in what happened to Haleigh.

You guys are so much more interesting than the group last night. Thank you so much.
And the bathing, I think hosing the kids down was probably Misty’s idea of a bath or nothing at all. She didn’t want to be a babysitter that night or any other night she just wanted to party with Ron.
All of these guys knew that they were being watched on the jail tapes. The Anthony case was too fresh in their minds. They tried to correlate the best they could with their thug mentality.
I’ve watched all the tapes on YouTube. One lie after another. All of them. The Grandmothers can’t even keep their stories straight.
Have any of you heard any gossip about Teresa being involved in the cover up? Her time line sucks. She traveled like 15 miles to Ron’s that night in less than 5 min. after getting dressed and grabbing a pic of HaLeigh to beat nearly all of the cops there. Kind of makes you think………What did she know?

Anyone know what TJ let slip about Marie on that March show?

stillucy – I’ve wondered about Teresa as well. Never could get an explanation as to how she got there so quickly and how she managed to be so well prepared (with a 8 X 10 framed glossy of Haleigh). I’ve also heard she told LE she CURRENTLY worked for LE when in fact she hadn’t worked for LE in some time….Can anyone confirm that info? Am I getting the facts straight?

Kate…I don’t know that it was a slip. All he said was something about Marie going on vacation…there was a statement about her taking something with her or something like that. Then the poop hit the fan and TJ was scolded for saying anything about it as it was supposedly told in confidence but none of us could figure out what the big deal was about Marie getting away for a weekend or what it was she took with her…or if she took ANYTHING with her at all….I never made heads or tails out of any of it or saw any importance to it. A big bunch of nothing as far as I could tell…Could be wrong…but I didn’t see any earth shattering news in his statement about Marie….IMVHO….nothing to make Marie’s clan get their undies in a bunch anyway! LOL

Sorry guys phone call brb.

Answer: There is no justification for blogging all day long on company time. It costs an employer money which to me equals theft.

Not if you are the employer which I am so go stuff it.LOL I am my own boss.

I work for the government, and they steal plenty from me.

OK, yes, I do remember that whole “Marie is going on vacation and she is taking…” thing. (Which always reminds me of the “Going on a Picnic and taking apples, bananas” game.

How did we find out that it was the Cummings/Neves/Sykes who were upset about that being said?

Said it before and I’ll say it again TN is guitly as hell! IMO

Tex, Can you post the exact date of the post about Maies vacation? I really get lazy some days and if you have it , it just saves me from searching. TY

Hello G and welcome. As Tobias would say…TN does set off the “hinky meter”! 😀

Stillucy…I don’t think TN was will working for LE when Haleigh went missing from my understanding (and someone correct me if I’m wrong) but she TOLD LE that night that she did….have to wonder what the motive was for that. Even wore her LE jacket that night. Couple that with how quick she got there and the picture of Haleigh and you have to wonder.

Now if someone called me and told me my child or my grandchild (don’t have any yet but still) was missing, and had awoken me out of a sound sleep, I’m sure I would get there ASAP but I’m not sure I would think to bring a picture. Wouldn’t Ron already have those available. How did she get there so quickly and “so prepared”…unless she already knew what was going on. She’s definitely got some “splaining to do” IMVHO

JB said,
in April 29th, 2010 at 10:20 am LOL! You sure do crack me up 😀 ! And we know from Ron that the ones in jail can’t change their undies often!!

Tetresa Neves alledgedly worked for Alachua County as a dispatcher for the Sheriff Department there. I am not sure if she was still employed there at the time Haleigh went missing. The story that is out says she was no longer employed there at that time.

tobias here you go.
http://www.bloggernews.net/123942
Kate, Welcome to the BNN family and like JB said the HaLeigh Cummings case.
JB I do think that Maries vacation and items of interest was something of great interest to the case. It sure had damage control minions in full force on both sides.
I along with everyone else can not see the connection, but, have witnessed many of the players surfacing here (BNN) since that show and TJs absence and now part time participation now is a sign in my book of the relavance to the recent events and the (((bombshll))) that was slipped on FEB. 28th show. JMO

Dispatcher

Sure do wonder why Ron’s drug charges all got dropped, the ones prior to Haleigh gone missing, of course. A while back I thought that it was because of TN job but since I learned that she didn’t work for Putnam County it is harder to explain.

JB my siter is a SGT. over dispatch in my County. IMO it would not help Ron one way or another and the fact is Misty made the 911 call not Ron. JMO

All that I can remember about the blankets were that 1 was in the washing machine and 1 was in the “van”. But, I don’t recall that LE was ever able to locate the 1 in the van.
I am shocked that LE didn’t take a closer look at Teresa with the lies that she was caught in from the get go and her background. It was obvious what the 911 call was staged. Sure Misty knows what happened but she’s a 17yr old little twit that’s blinded by this controlling idiot and she truly is under some kind of spell and believes that he won’t throw her under the bus. When in fact, Ron has already thrown her and her whole stupid family under the bus.
Misty has no loyalty to HaLeigh, just to Ron. That may sound evil but, look at the mentality that we’re dealing with here. I just wish there PCSD would look at letting someone talk to Misty that could show her the truth about this whole mess and bring some peace to Crystal and justice for HaLeigh.
I think Tommy has seen the light. He knows he’s losing Lindsey and his kids. Hopefully, he’s told what he knows. If he knows anything of factual value.

Kate, you would be correct about that. TN’s training would give her the knowledge of what responding officers would need and the fact that she was there in record time is not IMO a sign of guilt, but, the love of a GM.
JMO

I am a grandma, and TN sets off the “hinky meter” immediately. *If some drugged out 17 year old girlfriend of my son’s (God forbid) called me after a 3 day bender and said she couldn’t watch my grandkids I’d have been over there in 2 seconds to get them. Would have never told her NO. (She knows what Ron & company are/have been involved in, with ALL his previous charges. If they were my grandkids they would have been living with me not Ron & Misty in the first place.) *The unthinkable happens, and now she’s suddenly Johnny on the spot with photo in hand and police jacket, etc., not to mention the problem with timeline. Stinks to high heaven!! *Now you have the 17 year old with inconsistant stories. OK, I would have got the story of what happened to my grandchild come hell or high water. (Probably be in jail myself for assault!) I would not be going on television shows defending her, nor would I be defending my son. I would want to know everything from everyone and let the chips fall where they may. *I would definately not be roaming around in the woods after a tip was given from “who knows” potentially destroying evidence. I could go on and on and on. She’s guilty as hell!! IMO. Where is she now? Haven’t seen her on TV lately crying and saying a whole lotta nothing!! JMHO

JB I would think the worst if I had been a dispatcher!!! I am sure she knew BB was not taken and that HaLeigh would not go alone outside in the dark. This her grand baby, she knows this baby and what where the possibilities. She came prepared, as I would expect anyone with training to do. JMO

ITA, G!!

where’s m2c been?

stillucy, I thought that Lindsy was sticking with Tommy, in spite of it all? ITA, Misty’s loyalty to Ron, not the kids, especially Haleigh. I’m sure that she was jealous of Haleigh, although she can both love her and be jealous of her. (Been there myself so I know.)

We don’t know who LE is/has looked at. Maybe TN is one of the surprises!

About the Croslin family all being thrown under the bus, I couldn’t agree more. I know they don’t deserve sympathy but somehow I have it for them, not sure why. Have to think a little more on that.

G some of the information it seems you are basing your theory on is rumors and IMO lies. I am not disrespecting your opinion,but, hate to see you misinformed.
Misty did not call TN to babysit that night.
Misty went out Friday night and was gone till Sunday morning, when Nay Nay dropped her off at her brothers.
Tn is a trained individual in LE protocol and would pull with anyone in PCSO, in fact if she was still employed I would imagine there was a internal investigation that would ensure that TN did not participate or have any knowledge in a crime.

I am sorry …. TN would have NO pull in PCSO.

JB I agree w/ ya 100%
I am going to go mow before it rains. BBL

Bye Tex – see ya later! If you get bored….you can come mow my yard too! 😀

But G, she did not say it to TN. She said it to Sykes. The great grandma.

Also werent the bricks stacked by the shack? jmo

Also AC guy is Ronalds cousins(HOPE?) EX works for artic air. Would this be the ex of hopes that she had domestic abuse charges against?
Or is it some other cousin? jmo

Yep! JB you are right ! How many know and have not said a word? Very Very Sad.
Kate a snitch is someone who tells on others to get themselves out of trouble.
An informant normally works along with law enforcement to help them obtain information to bust someone for a crime.

Tobias what did you think of the statement in the beginning about Misty saying noone told me they were coming for her meaning Haleigh? My mind goes back to the drug dealers? What about you.

There were blocks under the building behind Rons mh. You can see them in the pics.

No justice for Haleigh…no peace for the clan!

I’m listening to the hypnosis as well. The hypnosis person asked her who else was there. She said her brother Jr., and that’s it.

Kate at 9:28 am Your not crazy, I think the same thing. Marty Sheffield just seemed to be doubtful imo, but I am going by the Cobra stuff; just seemed to me that Sheffield was always up to crooked stuff.

Oh, and about Ronald’s drug charges, they weren’t dropped, he had youthful offender, then he did Adult Drug Court; A snitch is basically the same as an informant; but if you are an informant, your charges can’t be listed at all. That is so there is absolutely no way a paper trail can be left. (so the courts would not be held liable for any harm to the informant).

Shockwave, you are right she did not use the name Lisa. AS said WE.

tobias said,
in April 29th, 2010 at 11:45 am

Also AC guy is Ronalds cousins(HOPE?) EX works for artic air. Would this be the ex of hopes that she had domestic abuse charges against?
Or is it some other cousin? jmo
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No he is not. Misty said Ron’s cousin’s ex worked for the same company. The AC guy is not kin to the Cummings.

LFJ, I heard it. Its like a confussed utterance
She accidently lets things slip like Tommy being there that night but quickly covers it with I mean that day. Misty knows everything and its not Joe. She sounded really anoyed about the Airbuds being watched over and over and over. Also the blanket is overly talked about again. She skips around all over the sequince of events. She says Icovered her with the sheet and blanket and the blanket washed for 30 minutes and dried for 60 minutes then I put my pajamas on( I dont remember her saying she was wearing pajamas(Misty) ) .jmo

If this place is infested with aligators and snakes as has been reported, what in the world are 2 grandmothers doing searching an area like this for? Hasn’t Teresa tried this once before and ran away supposedly screaming like a little girl?
And after 14 months, what kind of training do either of them have in evidence recovery and chain of command for trial value?
Just a couple of thoughts. IMO

I thought it was interesting when she said Tommy was there at the same time the AC guy was there. Why would they be there at the same time and leave at the same time? Then I started wondering what else AC could stand for. I looked up AC abbreviations. The very first item to pop up was that AC was used on prescriptions, and it means before meals, ante cibum. Could AC be an underground word for your drug connection? I’ve heard someone talking on the phone before when purchasing weed, they say things like “mowing the grass” etc. in case someone is listening. I wonder if anyone has checked the AC place to see if they did work at RC’s home on that day.

Tex and Shock – Are the below statements that have been reported not true?
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Misty Croslin’s behaviour the night she reported her boyfriend’s five year old daughter missing from their trailer in Satsuma, Florida almost a year ago—that she had balked at babysitting Haleigh Cummings, and her little brother, JR, complaining she was just too exhausted after a three day binge of drugs and sex with party pals.

“She told me, ‘I didn’t want to even watch the kids that night because I was too tired from partying that weekend,’” her sister in law, Lindsay, told me in an exclusive interview Tuesday night that I broke on CNN HLN’s Nancy Grace Show.

Then, Misty related, Ronald Cummings mother, offered to pay her. “She told me, ‘Teresa (Neves) said, ‘I’ll pay you to watch ‘em.’ But I told her, ‘No, you don’t have to pay me, I’ll watch ‘em.’ Remember that weekend, she and Ronald were fighting after she came back, so she told his mother, ‘No, I’ll go home and watch ‘em if it’s okay with Ronald.’”
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When I say TN is guilty I mean she IS guilty of allowing her grandchildren to be around serious drug addicts, drug dealers and criminals. She MAY be guilty of doing something to Haleigh. She IS guilty of covering up for either her son or herself or an unknown someone. She IS guilty of lying constantly. The woman knows what went down that night, IMO. I agree with your statement that she is a “trained individual in LE protocal” which IMO makes her look even worse. I’m just sayin’!!! Even if the babysitting story is completely false, her actions and words, or lack thereof after the fact are to say the least suspect. Why is TN and Granny wondering around in the woods potentially destroying evidence? Like you said she’s a “trained individual in LE protocal”.

I know alot has been reported about this case, some true some not, but it looks to me like there’s a snake in the woodpile. JMHO

I just want justice for Haleigh, just like all of us. I want EVERYONE to be looked at, and to me TN sticks out like a sore thumb. I don’t know if it’s just because I’m a grandma myself but somethings not right about her. Again, JMO.

Tobias, I thought the same about Chelsea as well. Can you say lead LE elsewhere!!
G excellent post. See you all later. Gotta run for now. Have a good afternoon.JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!! Gods Speed.

Especially after Mr. Kronk on the CA case, you would think the media would have talked with this AC guy. jmO

I thought that Grandma Hollars said that Misty offered to pay Teresa to watch the kids that night when they had the show down on Nancy Grace. That’s where I’m confused on that story.

Tobias – Exactly! Why wouldn’t Misty just talk to him. I guess we already know they were taking prescription drugs, but knowing if the “AC” guy was a drug connection or not would place the drugs at the house that day. This AC guy had to travel from Palatka to Satsuma, which according to Artic Air’s website they do service Palatka County which includes Satsuma, but it is still a long drive.

Hey Guys!!!!!!!!!!

I have always thought about the a/c guy too,nobody thought he was important imo because he didn’t have a formal name maybe,just THE A/C GUY~

((((((((((Hey, CathyJo)))))))))))

OMG! I have missed so much in just three hours. I will have to read like crazy to catch up. And then there are all of the homework assignments that I need to review— Misty’s Hypnosis, the Dueling Grandma’s (haven’t even watched that yet). I am so behind in this class! I am going to fail!!

G said,in April 29th, 2010 at 10:59 am I am a grandma, and TN sets off the “hinky meter” immediately. *If some drugged out 17 year old girlfriend of my son’s (God forbid) called me after a 3 day bender and said she couldn’t watch my grandkids I’d have been over there in 2 seconds to get them. Would have never told her NO. (She knows what Ron & company are/have been involved in, with ALL his previous charges. If they were my grandkids they would have been living with me not Ron & Misty in the first place.) *The unthinkable happens, and now she’s suddenly Johnny on the spot with photo in hand and police jacket, etc., not to mention the problem with timeline. Stinks to high heaven!! *Now you have the 17 year old with inconsistant stories. OK, I would have got the story of what happened to my grandchild come hell or high water. (Probably be in jail myself for assault!) I would not be going on television shows defending her, nor would I be defending my son. I would want to know everything from everyone and let the chips fall where they may. *I would definately not be roaming around in the woods after a tip was given from “who knows” potentially destroying evidence. I could go on and on and on. She’s guilty as hell!! IMO. Where is she now? Haven’t seen her on TV lately crying and saying a whole lotta nothing!! JMHO
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I agree with alot of what you said,TN knows a helluva lot more!
And i know i would never refuse to watch my Grandson especially if his parents were partiers.at a moments notice i will be there and I hate to admit it but my ex’fiance would get aggravated i guess because he didn’t have kids and if we had plans he would be so aggravated b/c I’d keep my Grandson instead but he knew when we got involved my family always comes first! and he should have been mature about it! I loved to do things with him but my grandson needed me too!

I thought for certain we’d have some news by now!

I dont understand GGSykes going to the site and searching with TN. She keeps wanting to believe Haleigh is alive and says until they can prove it she wont believe it yet he goes and searches around the boat ramp? I dont think a live Haleigh is going to be there. jmo

Anyone know anything about the other missing Cummings girl?

Were the two g ma’s searching for Haleigh or watching LE looking for evidence??? Afraid of waht they might find?

BA, What other girl?

another Adams,huh?

Anyone have the stills from Hope’s court appearance? There were additonal pics of the group when HaLeigh first went missing. Orlando is in the photo… and a cousin of Ron’s was on the right side. I can’t remember her name.

ronfan, if you’re still here, glad we agree on something, Johnny/Marty. I’m looking forward to talking more w you about that. The best explanations are simple but not too simple. I think the truth here is very convuluted. That’s why the “Joe and Tommy Story” is so preposterous. 14 months to get to that? Granny Hollars is just listening to Art Harris and maybe reading some, imvho.

ronfan, so I didn’t get the difference between a snitch and an informant. Trying again, both a snitch and an informant are crooks, i.e. niether one is working undercover. A snitch is charged but not necessarily sentenced, or the sentence is lighter because of the snitching. An informant doesn’t even get charged, much less any of the rest of the procedure. Is this correct?

Kate,she did that 1 interview that I saw on Greta and disappeared and to me that girl seemed odd!!!

Still looking… I think it may be a parent type of thingy.

Dang! I leave for awhile and when I come back I can’t make heads or tails of what is going on! LMAO….some girl named Cummings is missing, from what I gather no info on Snodgrass’ sentencing, something about pics from Hope’s sentencing, someone or someplace named Orlando, snitches vs. informants, the dueling grandmammy’s, the detective team of Neeves and Sykes, the Johnny/Marty conspiracy, the mysterious AC guy….all that and more and I’ve only read a couple of posts! LMAO PHEW DOGGIES! You all have been busier than a Croslin on drugs after dark in a neighborhood full of houses with unlocked doors and nobody home! LMAO

Found one of the group on Jacksonville.com picture archives. There is a samantha cummings that is a teen cousin. She looks about Mistys age. Is this the one? jmo

The photo was taken after 3 days missing .

The only way that they could have kept quiet for so long is if they are all involved. They sink or swim together.

I went ot jacksonville.com- times union photos I put in Cummings and went from there to the 3 days missing photos. SORRY NO LINKS

/me too ole to run

stillucy said,in April 29th, 2010 at 2:58 pm JB I think you’ve got it all. You’re up to speed!
If another Cummings is missing all they need to look for is another Croslin. Are there any still out on the streets and not locked up?
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I am sorry but thats just plain funny,rofl!

Now, I’m thinking I shouldn’t have said a thing about it!!!!!

don’t worry Adams,you said not to run with it,i aint and i am sure no one else will ya know!Heck,I woulda flipped out and blabbed if i saw it!lol

JB… put those scissors down now!!!!

B*A…you can’t make me, you can’t make me, you can’t…OUCH….DANG SCISSORS! Anyone got a bandaid…..or two? LOL 😳

You all have totally lost it! We need a BOMBSHELL and fast!

CathyJo – I haven’t seen ANYTHING new! No tapes, no nuttin’. About to go stir crazy waiting for SUMPIN’ to happen! All that activity with the search at the river and then nothing…..no arrests, no statements from LE, no press releases, no news conference, no nuttin!

Which means we’re stuck with NG’s BOMBSHELLS….*Breaking News – Nancy Grace finds a half eaten chicken nugget in car and shares it with Art Harris on LIVE TV tonight…and we’ve got the secret video recordings of her actually FINDING the chicken nugget! You won’t want to miss this!* Hee Hee Hee

I’ll hop right on my menstral cycle and head your way,lmbo

Unless it’s a puncture wound!! Try the other thingy available.

maxi works if ya slice ye throat,rofl!

OMG Not Hoes…….Hope

shux,if it was me that told that story and the cops dedicated a lecture to me,I’d still be on the lam.rofl

CathyJO – nah, you were probably closer when you said “Hoes”! LMAO….

ROFLMAO on the maxipad solution to my scissor incident! I’m sure my co-workers would love that!

“…Teresa told Greta that she thought HaLeigh was probably just hiding UNDER the bed or something…”

Ahhh… the mattress was on the floor!

*BS* Alert!

Sara Jane – IN Parent said,in April 29th, 2010 at 3:41 pm “…Teresa told Greta that she thought HaLeigh was probably just hiding UNDER the bed or something…”

Ahhh… the mattress was on the floor!

*BS* Alert!
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Not necessarily a BS alert. There were other beds in the house that was on a frame

Denise,no.cause the mattresses were taken off,i may be wrong but in the pix of the trailer they were gone!

but the back door was open with a brick holding it and even ron said he went looking in closets and under beds first,lol the backdoor was the 1st place ron should have went when Misty told him she looked inside?

I cannot argue so i dunno,just my understanding denise,sorry!

and to be honest i allways wondered why TN brought the pic of Haleigh if she thought she was hiding?

”..difference between a snitch and an informant…”

I think and informant is an approved documented and paid snitch…

Whereas a snitch, hopes what he tells on another will get him out of ‘todays’ jam!

I think they just wanted to believe she was hiding and hoping this was a nightmare and not really happening I couldnt find my daughter one day and my head kept saying this is not happening she has got to be somewhere… well I was lucky and she was at the neighbors house w/o asking me but that few minutes of not knowing seemed like a dream I can totally understand them all thinking they would find her somewhere you never want to think this can happen to me

Jan please delete my earlier posts… I’m looking for that info.

The “Hoes” statement, priceless!

If there were actually beds on frames, why did Teresa not show those when she took NG on the video tour of the trailer? You would have thought that she would have tried to play the CYA game and she didn’t.
That always stuck with me from the very beginning.
There isn’t even a sign of a breath anywhere out there about this case, not anywhere. You would think that someone would be screaming about poor little Hope or something…..They are all scared to death right now.
Did you guys know that Teresa’s sister, Hope’s mom, owns a tree trimming business? You know, big mulching equipment. Just a little bit more info………Another hmmmmmmmm thing.

StillLucy – Casey Anthony’s lies were so easily proven to be lies….her job (lack thereof), her nanny’s apt (which was vacant), the call from Caylee (no record on phone log), not to mention the smell of DEATH in her car.

This bunch in the Haleigh case are career criminals and their lies are more subtle. Still make you go “HUH?” but you can’t quite pin them down or prove it to be a lie. They’ve covered their tracks MUCH better than MS. HOT BODY CASEY ANTHONY (In her dreams). LOL

TN and g-gm AS are very genuine… but remember that TN had her kids taken away and placed with gma AS… she is no prize.

Parenting is sadly lacking in Satsuma… somebody missed their ‘Life Skills’ class in 4th grade!

If you know you are innocent why would you need to play CYA game???

Shock…I wish she was just hiding too. 😥

Nobody is arguing that all Im saying is the man went to work and left his kids with his girlfriend when he came home one of his kids were gone he may not be citizen of the year but his kids were safe at home when he went to work he is not responsible for Haleigh missing no one has an excuse to hurt/kidnap a child just because Ron did drugs doesnt give anyone the right to come in and take his daughter

I hope Annette Sykes middle name is not Sarah or Susan. Think about what her initials would be. There, that makes more sense. LOL.

LE should give Ron another poly. He may have actually passed the first one BECAUSE at that time he DID NOT know the truth as to what happened to Haleigh. However, I find it impossible to believe that he STILL does not know what happened to her. Common sense says he WOULD GET the info from Misty, and I do believe he knows everything NOW. Give Ron another poly.

Ron and Misty have both tried to distance themselves from concrete blocks, denying that such blocks were on their property, despite pictures to the contrary. Reminds me of how
the Ramseys tried to distance themselves from the ransom note. I do believe concrete blocks
were used as weights when evidence, or little Haleigh herself, was tossed into the river.

Ron’s kids weren’t safe at home before he went to work. One of the stories they told LE was they got high befor Ron left for work. What’s up with that. Now they can’t even agree on who picked HaLeigh up from the bus stop. They are so tangled in their lies, they don’t even know that. Who left who safely at home with who when who went to work? Does anybody know?

I am surprised there isnt a new post on what happened in the Sndgrass case. He had a court date today for pretrial. Nothing new yet on the dockets either. I want to see this SO put away and I am sure Cobra and others do too. jmo bbl

Stillucy…and in the Cobra tapes we listened to recently they talked about Ron flying up to the bus stop and sliding sideways (great way to drive around kids) and then Ron talks about how Haleigh rode on his lap and helped him drive home…(again, completely against the law and unsafe). If they had been in an accident Haleigh would probably have been killed. No telling what other reckless behavior Ron engaged in with his children. Always drugged up and high around them. Druggies trapesing in and out of the house. All the fights….guns left carelessly about for kids to find…like in the culvert. We’d all probably poop our pants if we knew HALF the things these kids went through, heard, saw and endured with both Ron AND Crystal (not to mention Misty and clan).

Im not explaining the point of my posts again I have said it enough already and you obviously want to argue with me. I understand you dont like what I say so just move on and ignore my posts

That is absolutely different!!!!!

Everytime I come on here to see what is going on you are arguing so as soon as I seen you reply to my post I knew what was going to happen.

that would be great!!

polly klass – stranger abduction from bed
jon benet ramsey – stranger abduction from bed
elizabeth smart – stranger abduction from bed
HALEIGH CUMMINGS – STRANGER ABDUCTION from bed

the parents of these children were all asleep in the house like misty was!
Misty has been telling the truth from day 1!!
She woke up and haleigh was gone..period!

jessica lunsford- stranger abduction from bed

OJs’ Glove meet Denise. You 2 are on the same page. Like minds, think alike!

I can see I’m gonna need some back up here. IMO

stillucy said,in April 29th, 2010 at 5:22 pm OJs’ Glove meet Denise. You 2 are on the same page. Like minds, think alike!

I can see I’m gonna need some back up here. IMO
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stillucy, count me in with Denise and OJs Glove.jmo

Well,the way i ee it is he knew misty did not want to and he made her babysit so thats alittle different to me!
His own mom wouldn’t either so he should have had a hired babysitter who wanted the job and Haleigh was a special needs child too,alot for a young girl who wanted to party,jmho

The big difference between those cases mentioned and Misty would be that Misty cannot keep her story straight, because it is fabricated.

but i don’t blame him for doing what he’d always done before.but if i have a problem with it,that was mine!

sorry for the double post. I just wanted to say that I think Ron wanted Misty to babysit because he knew she would go off and start using drugs again and he wanted her to stay home. I think the last thing he thought would be something happening to Haleigh or Jr. Im sure that Teresa did not want to interfere and told Misty that she would take them if Ron was ok with that. She has to respect Ron’s wishes he is their father. Im sure hindsight is 20/20 and they would love to do things over that night!

bbs

stillucy said,in April 29th, 2010 at 11:07 am Teresa told Greta that she thought HaLeigh was probably just hiding UNDER the bed or something. It’s all too strange. The video is on YouTube. That’s what caught me by surprise. Why the supersonic speed trip and the photo and lying to get access to the scene and bringing the photo if little HaLeigh was just HIDING?
She’s covering for her son. That’s the only explanation. She certainly wouldn’t be covering for Misty or her family.
I think that PCSD is probably starting from the beginning and looking at everyones’ involvement. Because they are all involve to some degree and that poor little baby paid with her young life for it. May they all rot in prison or hell whichever comes first.
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Again another “hinky flag went up”, the mattresses were flat on the floor ao she would have to be flat as a piece of paper to hide under the bed……..

“The quality of a decision does not depend on the outcome; it depends on the use of the information available at the time the decision is made.”

Hindsight is 20/20. We can’t evaluate Ron based on the fact that something terrible happened to HaLeigh. We CAN evaluate Ron based on the information that he had available. We know that 1) Misty was high on drugs a lot 2) Misty was only 17-years-old, 3) Misty did not want to babysit and and and…
SO Ron made a poor decision by choosing Misty to care for his children. Not because something terrible happened, but because he did not make good use of the information available at the time the decision was made.

Whoever harmed HaLeigh is directly responsible and should be held accountable.

Ron made a mistake; person(s) X (and Y and Z) committed crimes.

1) Annette Sykes said that Misty was no high that night
2) My daughter was babysitting when she was 17yrs. old
3)Misty didnt want to babysit does not mean that she would intentionally hurt Haleigh… it meant she wanted to go back and party some more so how does Ron take that Misty doesnt want to babysit will lead to Haleigh missing???

VELMA: Jinkies Scoob, This case is Hinky!

Scoob: Rooby just want a Rooby Snack. Pwease Velma Pwease Hehe hehe he he!

VELMA: Maybe Shagg, has one Scoob !

SHAGGY: Geee, Scoob.. Like ya had one just a few minutes ago. Can i finish my Gator Giblets Buddy ‘ol Pal !

SCOOB: ROH K ,Raggy !

SHAGGY: Man, Scoob, this Florida is hotter than Tabasco sauce on a triple decker Scoobified Sandwich! … and man , like this Satsuma is giving me the HeebieJeebies !

SCOOB: Hehe hehe he he RUH ROH !

Denise, first and foremost, I am partially agreeing with you as I am partially agreeing with just about everyone. It is a bit complicated and needs to be teased apart. I think that what you are saying is basically, “Don’t blame the victim.” And I agree. If someone makes a poor choice and a crime is committed against them, it is still a crime against them and the criminal is still fully responsible, not the victim.

On the other hand, the victim perhaps could have made better decisions and avoided the crime. This is not to blame the victim but to empower her or him and others.

My step daughter was raped and killed in southern Mexico 1-1/2 years ago. She was trying to find a hotel at 10 pm at night and accepted an offer to be guided to the hotel by a strange man. Did she make a poor decision? Yes. Did she deserve to be raped and killed? No. Is the murderer guilty? Yes.

OJ’s glove said,in April 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm polly klass – stranger abduction from bed
jon benet ramsey – stranger abduction from bed
elizabeth smart – stranger abduction from bed
HALEIGH CUMMINGS – STRANGER ABDUCTION from bed

the parents of these children were all asleep in the house like misty was!
Misty has been telling the truth from day 1!!
She woke up and haleigh was gone..period!
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Call me crazy, but I don’t think Jon Benet was actually abducted as she was found in the house, the other cases LE was able to remove the focus from the family (except JBR) and move on to other suspects because the family cooperated and the stories weren’t full of gaping wide holes, this case is different as they haven’t been able to move from that inncer circle of those family, and ho’s in Satsuma. What a darn shame

So with respect to Ron and Misty—

1) Annette Sykes said that Misty was no high that night.
No, but she was that evening, she says so herself, when Tommy stopped by with his kids and they smoked a joint. But, I will agree with the words of a fellow juror on a double murder trial, “When you bent, you bent; when you high you still know what’s goin’ on.” So even IF she was influenced by substances, she may have been capable of being responsible for the children. I’ll give that point.

2) My daughter was babysitting when she was 17yrs. old.
I was babysitting when I was 10-years-old. I’m not necessarily saying that Misty was too young to be babysitting. When you combine it with other factors, though, it is something to consider.

3) Misty didnt want to babysit does not mean that she would intentionally hurt Haleigh
No, absolutely not, I agree. Just because Misty didn’t want to babysit does not in any way mean that she would harm HaLeigh.

Add to the mix the idea that Ron probably didn’t have very good choices. I think it was you, or it could have been someone else, who pointed out that Ron and Crystal and Misty are just like everyone else in HaLeigh’s life. And that is exactly the problem. Children need better people in their lives. All children. I think most people would agree with that.

Where we differ is whether we punish those people or support those people. I do believe they deserve support, not punishment. Pragmatically, though, we just aren’t able to change some people so that they can be good parents. Hopefully we will get there but what do we do for now?

OK, I’ll get off my soapbox now.

as far as Hope Sykes goes..it’s about time they started cleaning up that drug infested satsuma. Hope knew what she was doing and had total disrespect for herself to be there in the first place as well as the law.
Her crime is her crime and she was sentenced to mandatory minimum. How is that unfair? I don’t see any unfairness is giving her the m.m under the law.
Let’s hope that shakes up the co-defendants memory as to what happened to haleigh Feb. 10 2009. I’m sure that the state of Florida would gladly cut a deal to finally lay that precious child to rest and receive justice in return for a lighter drug sentence. HALEIGH IS WORTH THAT A MUCH MORE.

and a mandatory sentence of 15 years for what hope did is what needs to be…it’s not too much time when what you get in return is perhaps people thinking twice about doing what she did. Hope is a very aggressive and mouthy young lady who knew what she was doing. If we give these people …KIDS…a break what message does that send to young kids who will follow in the drug cycle? SELL OXY AND GET CAUGHT..you’ll only do a few years. Will that stop the cycle? NO, but knowing you’ll do a m.m of 15 might!!

Carrie, indeed. I wish that every person on BOTH sides of HaLeigh’s family could be put in “protective custody.” They all need to be alone and think and start talking. I think that different rules should apply if the crime is against a child. Some of the “rights” of this country need to be put aside because the end result is that the child has no right and no voice. Completely wrong.

VELMA: Why don’t you two check the local strip club to see what you can find.

SHGAGGY & SCOOB: Like, Right On , Man!

…. (New Scene)ENTER THE CLUB…

SHAGGY: Wow Scoob like theres lots of chic’s in here . I’m Diggin it!

SCOOB: WOOk over there Raggy, It’s FWED !

SHAGGY: Like Fred o’l Pal what are you doin’ here. … And like, DAPHNE!? …Wha-Wha-What are …you doin here!

DAPHNE: He drug me along. He said it would be good for the relationship.

FRED: Hey, take a look at that one Fella’s.

SHAGGY: Like it’s whiter than a Ghost!

SCOOBY: D-D_DID you say GHOST!

SHAGGY: ZOINKS, Scoob !!!!… R_UUUUU_N !!!

… a few minutes laters…

VELMA: Your Huffing and Puffing ! It looks like You’ve seen a GHOST !

SCOOB: (Huff-puff) it was a MWONSTER!

SHAGGY: Huff- Puff) Yeah, man. Like… it had 3 chins!

—–End Scene—-

Any BOMBSHELL news from Nancy’s face today? or the same BS as always?

Like the family, I still hold out hope that she is alive, but with a better family.

Beast, I couldn’t agree more. When the dust settles I hope they send ButterBean and Chloe and the rest there, too.

Nancy Grace says Breaking news on Haleigh Cummings Murder. Is this another Bombshell or for real?

CNN is reporting that although investigators are still working on the case for recovering HaLeigh’s body, no new breakthrougs to report. So, just alot of NG’s hot air. Thanks for the alert thought. It was worth checking out.

ms peridot sorry I missed your last posts.I have always thought that you were a nice person & would get along with you.I agree with your posts that I have seen too.

I will …uhm..quite smoking forever if haleigh ann marie is found alive and well…never smoke again..a life long habit gone if my heart could be mended and find that haleigh is living life and laughing as she deserves to be..

yup, weez desperate; no intelligent life in sight

lynny, love your post!! FBI Brown, you know exactly what happened… oh, but no evidence. Darn.

They should have given that sorry piece of white trash the full 30 years.15 years is getting off easy.

How much you guys wanna bet a Grand Jury has handed down an indictment?

It’s really quiet here, well everywhere…….

Oh brother. That’s not much but but we’ll take what we can get.Lol

I think this is the quiet before the storm. Ron and Tommy are supposed to go to court on the drug charges on May, 17th. Isn’t that right? We should know if anyone has made a deal, or not, after that.

Ron and Tommy go to Court on May 13 and Misty goes in June.
No big breaking news. Same ole, same ole. Everybody pointing fingers at everybody else.
And the plot thickens………..

I can’t quite figure Tommy out yet. He’s either going to say Misty is the killer/Haleigh died on her watch and Joe got rid of the body or Joe did it.

For some reason, I can’t believe Tommy did it, but he may have helped get rid of Haleigh’s body to help Misty in some way.

I didn’t know she had said that. I read on her myspace page, that whatever she was told they are going to have to prove it to her.

Have any of you ever had dreams about this case?

Random – Yes more like nightmares.

Hey friends, don’t forget to watch Casey in court tomorrow morning!

My nightmares seem to include bits and pieces from several different missing/murdered children.

I think hearing Gma H stories contributed to these.

How about you Random?

Sometimes I get precognitive dreams, like when my daughter died, I had dreamed it three weeks before. Looking back it’s really creepy.

Sometime in late January or February, I wanted to focus on something besides my own misery, so I came here one night and was reading and when I went to bed I prayed that if she was dead, to be shown if she was in a dry grave or in water.

I dreamed that night and posted the dream a few weeks later (it’s in the archives well before any of these new tidbits of info came to light).

I was shown a forrest, or a set of woods and a very friendly lion chased my away. I was then shown a child playing the game hangman on an easle. Then I was shown empty beds, a bare leg (from the knee down) and houses by water.

When it came out about the cinder blocks and rope I about threw up – it’s really close to hangman, the way it was described to us. And at the time, I thought she was in the woods at the beginning of the dream but was chased away by the friendly lion (Jesus tribe of Judah). Now I think I was chased away because she wasn’t in woods – she is water, like that at the end of the dream.

The bare leg has me stumped. I know it means something but I don’t know what.

Random, I am so sorry about your daughter!

When I go to sleep and I am praying for justice I picture Haleigh with Jesus smiling and laughing.

Random Thoughts:

I am really sorry about your daughter, also.

thank you, karon.

I would think that LE would have to have some form of evidence to call this a homicide.

Hope:
At first, they said they found some evidence at the river the night they took Tommy there. They haven’t mentioned it since, but I think they found something.

I read on another site that when they woke JO up, he didn’t have his shirt on. He may have had to ditch the shirt(if he was in on this) down by the water. I wondered if Tommy took them to the shirt or a weapon that was hidden.
This is just some thoughts.

We all know what happened to Tommy’s and Timmy’s boots, Lyndsay said on those jail audios that she got rid of them. That spoke volumes to me. She wouldn’t have added Timmy’s boots for no reason. I know I wouldn’t dare throw out a man’s workboots. That is just not done.

Hope:
Yes, they did say that, but they didn’t want to add any details so that LE could arrest him. They knew, if they said it was him for sure, LE would want all the details and their parts in all fo this would have come out. I think they all, including JO, had too much on everybody else. I think several of them were involved in getting rid of HC body, and I think illegal drugs made them all keep their mouths’ shut. IMO

Probably more involved that aren’t even in jail yet. IMO

Hope:

Alot of people know something, but they don’t know everything, yet. I hope the wives, mothers and grandmothers don’t get brought into this and have charges filed against them. Someone has got to raise the kids. They better tread lightly from here on out.

Hope:

Alot of people know a little, but they don’t know everything, yet. I hope the wives, mothers and grandmothers don’t get brought into this and have charges filed against them. Someone has got to raise the kids. They better tread lightly from here on out.

Hey all, I just saw that apparently the big news about to be delivered by NG/AH is that Misty was taken out there to show them if it was the same place where she told them that Tommy showed her he disposed of Haleigh. New article on the AH site.

Hope:

She said she was going to send that dog to Mass. in a box. Didn’t she? Was she meaning she was going to send something else in a box to Mass.? I do think part of the time she and TOC are talking in code words.

Karon,

I hope they are not involved in it at all. IF they are involved, they need to be held accountable.

Ideed, I mean, I was wanting to watch raw video from it, why no video? (At Hope’s sentencing)

I just feel this whole thing is so sad. I have my doubts there was any intention to kill Haleigh, but the kind of lifestyle these kids were leading would never give them the common sense to go and actually tell police what happened. I would question whether they are that unintelligent as it seems to me they have played LE for a long time. I doubt it occurred to them not to at any point.

I do feel sorry for Hope as this sentence is long one and will probably not help her at all to overcome her lifestyle. However I think they deliberately gave her this sentence to scare the rest of the clan into talking about Haleigh.

I don’t know how the US system works but surely Hope can appeal? My guess is the judge gave the sentence knowing another judge might reduce it on appeal?

What a sad and sorry mess.

Hello!

I saw a video of the court hearing…I’ll look for the link…

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Cummings-cousin-sentenced/QldgA9NLZE2LXR0ACf45Lg.cspx

TY for your info, something also curious, although NG mentioned this outburst, we don’t know any details like Who.

NG said Hope’s family nutted out(as she put it), and one of them went at the camera. I suppose they blamed the publicity for such a stiff sentence.

Here’s another Hope Sykes video

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=37633@wtev.web.entriq.net&navCatId=5

Here is a little snippet, but it isn’t as good as I saw the other night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN7SPleFxCc&feature=related

Hi Ms. Peridot:
I don’t know about Snodgrass. I hope he got what was coming to him.

The newjax video has been shortened quite a bit from what it was. I don’t know why.

hey karon, i really hope soon the truth will finally be coming out.

i read your comment earlier about not thinking tommy hurt haleigh. myself, all along i kept wondering why i never “felt” tommy hurt haleigh? my head would wonder, but, i always dismiss it. now, i tend to think werter has me convinced, because, he seems convinced. but, who knows? is that some kind of lawyer game? i really don’t think so though.

Msperidot:
I know Tommy can be selfish, but I still can’t see him hurting Haleigh. People do things on drugs and coming off of drugs that they wouldn’t ordainarilly do, however. I believe every bit of this was caused by drugs, in one way or the other.

karon, i really agree with your two last posts

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=29159798&event=988854&CategoryID=57821&picnum=20&move=B#Image
those 10 pics are still there

well i for one can be patient.

i listened to ng on sierra1947. i thought jim werter’s comments so interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/18/AVg3Jqm7yow
karon or anyone here if you have any comments?
here is the transcript
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/27/ng.01.html

i am wondering if the count werter is still is waiting on has anything to do with tommy getting a deal for information if it turns out to help le?

Good nite. Msperidot

Good nite everybody.

Morning all… Did I miss anything important?

Dr. Ronnie should have been out looking for a real job and looking for his precious child not selling rx drugs on the streets with the ONE person that likely knows where Haleigh is. The only explanation to that would be that Ron himself knows where she is himself. Compare it to Casey Anthony. She never went out searching for her child because she knew full well where she was. Same thing here IMO>
I read somewhere ( think it was here on the body language speech analysis article) that ronald never speaks of haleigh by her name. Only says “my daughter”. Indicating a disconnection from her. Makes sense to me. Also an indication he knows she is dead! Very interesting.

C-A…what is more interesting is that Misty corrected herself and said “I loved her…love her like my own”

r.c generation? Not sure what that means unless you are talking about Ronald. Drug abuse seems to be a lot worse today than when I was younger. Pot was the thing in high school, but even that was here and there. The drugs are much more dangerous and addictive today. It is very easy to slip in to addiction. Trying the drugs at a party and liking the feeling can quickly lead to addiction if it is always around you and there is nothing else to do. Some kids feel pressured to “fit in”, especially in small towns. If the home life is full of conflict provides another reason for an escape and once that path gets travelled it is very hard to turn around. I do not subscribe to the theory that if their was abuse in the home as a youngster then as an adult the person is likely to repeat what they grew up with. For example my dad was an occasional “abuser” and was physical with my mother. But I on the other hand could not ever hit a woman. p.s not quite double r.c’s age but gettin there 😛

beast, aha. i could not guess your age, i wondered. so you are old enough to have children rc age. so am i. when i saw your post i could not help commenting, because, sometimes i think it is easy to be aware of what is wrong with the next generation. (which after re-reading your post, i realize i read into what you meant. sorry!)

i too have the same perception and experience about the drug issues. recently i said the very same thing you posted above to my son, as my own opinion. he loved history when he was in school. and he mentioned things have not really gotten worse. that through out history their have been times when people have had to deal with various drug addiction issues in a very serious way. i in no way want to minimize the current drug problem.

i truly am hoping when the new florida laws kick in about how doctors can prescribe some of these drugs, that will be a start for improvement in the availability on the street.

i have not been following the c.a. trial, but, i really am hoping for the correct outcome there. well, i really am going this time.
beast and everyone have a wonderful friday!

♥haleigh♥

God bless Art Harris but, this is not really breaking news. We already knew that Misty was throwing everyone around her under the bus while she stood by and watched it roll by.
What we don’t know is, what happened to little HaLeigh to involved all of these people in disposing of her body.
That would be breaking news. And at this point, I’m not sure if we ever will.
I had to limit my time here last night, it became a scary place once the sun went down.

Good Morning Stillucy! It was getting a little frightening here before I left work! LMAO

Yes, I’m sure (or at least hopeful) that AH means well but DANG, his News Flashes are as lousy as NG’s Bombduds! I want someone to tell me something I DON’T ALREADY KNOW! Something that will give me a sliver of hope that Haleigh will at some point be laid to rest and receive justice!

Good Mornin’ LFJ…yeah, we were just discussing AH’s latest bombdud article. Did you see the last sentence of the article? “Next: Another Croslin changes HIS story!”. Has to be Timmy. It wouldn’t be news for Tommy to change his…been there, done that. Hank was in the hospital….that leaves Timbo….aka: Mr. Hide in the Shadows and let my wife do all the talking. LOL

There is some reason LE changed this from a missing person case to a homicide case. I mean come on they are not going to take Misty’s word. Because everyone knows Misty tells the truth about as often as Tommy brushes his TEETH. I’m being mean today. lol

Why isnt there some news on Snodgrass yet? He was supposed to be in court for a pre trial 4-29 why no news on this scum bag? jmo

I don’t understand the sympathy card that people have for these criminals here in this case. Have they not listened to just the facts involved, the tapes and I mean all the tapes? I don’t get it. They are all involved in a cover up of this poor little girls death at the age of just 5 yrs old due to their drug lifestyle and they could care less. This is the epitime of take no prisoners.

Chelsea says something on NG like I have only seen Granny H two or three times since I’ve been married to Timmy. Why would she say that? Granny didn’t say anything about her or Tommy to my knowledge she only talks about Misty,Tommy and Joe. Maybe Chelsea was afraid that Granny was going to get info that Timmy was involved. So she stated all of that because she is afraid granny will then get on NG and tell a story with Timmy in it. who knows……

Tobias, Tommy could of helped dispose but Im just not so sure of that yet. He definitely has knowledge; fact, but to what extent? Tommys lawyer seems like he has every reason to believe his client. I wonder if they gave him a second poly on his story and he passed.

Only Hank Sr. and Lisa Croslin were in Gainseville, fl. @ Shands hospital on the night Haleigh disappeared.
Just because Chelsea has only seen G. Holler 2 or 3 times in 7 years don’t mean they don’t have a long distant relationship by telephone.

LFJ, I believe when they asked him the questions some came back as true and others came back as false so its like he failed but still told some truthes. Like if he knew where Haleigh was could have come back as a lie then he said he did and it came back as true.
Like when they asked Misty why she had doubts about Ron 45% lie she had to explain and I think it still came back as a lie. AH said he failed when he had none of the results which was wrong. jmo

And if they asked him questions about Joe ,like did Joe kill her he could say yes and it would be a lie. Since we dont have the questions we cant tell what he was lying about yet .the oppisite of a lie is the truth.
Did misty hurt Haleigh.. no…lie did you help misty …no…lie did Joe hurt Haleigh..yes lie. that would fail him. jmo

Tobias I agree with that scenario of Tommys LDT. I believe it was an assumption of Arts do to the fact Werter did not come out screaming he passed! I think they were setting up on taking Tommy to the location and they did not want it leaked the truth had been told so they could get all their ducks in a row.

Peter Hyatt’s facinating analysis of the 911 call:

http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Where and when were Misty and Tommy put in the back of the police car together and transported? There is something to that because they were being video and audio recorded during that little “visit”.

stillucy – my understanding is they were brought to the station for questioning (individually) on the same day Misty was taken to the dock. They were placed in a police car together and driven back to the jail…

JB, Have you heard the latest spin Misty is supposedly saying Tommy drove her there and told her thats the place in Dec.. Funny cause she told TM about that place on her list and Ron talks about it to Cobra. LOL They sure can back pedal but we all heard the taps and they all knew that boat ramp was where she could be (emphasis on the could part). jmo

Tobias – yeah, I read the article at AH which states that Misty has NOW said Tommy took her to that dock and pointed out where the body was dumped about a month before they got arrested for drugs. Obviously she FORGOT that she had already pointed LE to that spot, has mentioned numerous times as well as Ron mentioning it….so I DON’T think she just found out about it a month ago. She has ALWAYS known what happened to Haleigh….IMO

Tobias – I think it is Misty’s way of minimizing her involvement…trying to say she didn’t know about the dock until recently…to explain her silence all this time…however, her silence has spoken loud and clear. To me it indicates her involvement….she has known all along.

Did you see where AH says “NEXT: Another Croslin changes HIS story”. Has to be Timmy IMO. I wasn’t aware Timmy had a story…well, not unless his wife okays it first! LOL

Stillucy – I skimmed over this morning’s posts….I was too skeered to read all of them! LOL

I don’t like to see our BNN family divided and I don’t like fights but there were two bloggers in particular…both started with “M” that used to pound me relentlessly. I won’t back down to EITHER of them now and call them on their bullying when I see it….of course one of them has been MIA for awhile….hmmmmmm

I tried being nice, I tried basically “sucking up to them” (which is SO not like me), I tried humor, I tried everything and nothing worked. So now, I just tell it like it is, speak my mind and let the chips fall where they may. 🙄

LOL JB! So you think that timid Timmy might have soething to add? That would be very interesting to say the least.

What do you make of Lindsay taking the trip to visit Chelsea and Timmy? It seemed odd she could afford to take the kids on a vacation. Do you think they just wanted to get their heads together and work out their story as to what happened?

Why are these women, Lindsey and Chelsea, letting their husbands taking the fall for Misty? I don’t get it. They have kids to think about. If they didn’t have anything to do with HaLeigh’s death, they need to talk.
Lindsey may be even a weaker link than Tommy unless they have all kept her out of the loop too. Maybe she should have 5 minutes alone with Tommy. Did anyone hear anything about that? I heard something, somewhere about Lindsey got a visit with Tommy and his attorney when all of this broke.

Miss Betty – I’m CONSTANTLY amazed at how Chelsy can come here and Lindsey go there…while on welfare….Lindsey’s kids didn’t have beds but they can travel to Massachusettes?

And yes, since the dam appears to have broken the truth is finally springing forth, probably time to “circle the wagons” and make sure everyone is on the same page. At least, that is my vote as to the reason for the trip….JMO

stillucy – yeah, I remember hearing (not sure where…but probably NG/AH) that Lindsey supposedly threatened him with divorce if he didn’t come clean….now, we have no way of knowing if that is true or not…so I’m not quoting it as gospel….

LFJ – thanks…. ((((HUGS))))) … I enjoy blogging with ya….and sharing the bloggin noggin floggin’s with ya as well! LMAO

Thanks JB (((( HUGS back at ya )))).
LP could very well be the money behind all of this. If so spend away LP so Haleigh gets her JUSTICE!!!!!!

Could be Hank Sr. has changed his story on the doctor shopping. He was pretty scared of going to court with this bunch. He probably is going to plead out and hope for the best? Hey he cant find a job, lives in a one room dive with Lisa, has almost run out of unemployment,
Jail could start to look like a good alternative.jmo

Stillucy, I heard him say that on Levi Page show. Why would anyone with a missing child turn down help like that? I know I wouldn’t.

Stillucy / LFJ – regarding LP and the money for the search….again, actions speak louder than words and Ron turning that down says a LOT to me. People wonder why we think Ron is guilty of something, even if it is just the cover-up…well, DANG, what are we supposed to think when he does stupid crap like that? ANY parent would take ALL the help they could get! Unless they didn’t want too many people nosing around, poking their nose in your business for fear of what they might uncover!!! JMO

Wow JB – that about sums it up with Ron! LOL

Thats why I cant watch her I am afraid I may throw something at my new flat screen TV I got for my birthday. lol She really rattles me when she says she looks at the twins and knows how Ron felt when he came home from werk and Haleigh was gone WRETCH…JMO

Well, IMO, it was too soon after HaLeighbug went missing, just a few days. Padilla said he and his team were down there within days after her disappearance. I think, IMO, that Ron knew with that kind of cash and the info that was out there along with Padilla’s street smarts, HaLeigh’s little body would be found and then CSI hello…….. Evidence of the crime and suspects would be arrested and maybe just maybe one of those suspects might be the one that turned down the 1/2 million dollar offer for the search, Ronnie boy. Of course, IMO.
I think NG has backed off on her support of Ron somewhat. She hasn’t stopped slamming everyone else but, she isn’t so quick to go gaga over him these days. It’s more of a moot subject. Too many experts and not just the attorneys are against him.

For some reason Rons arrogant head tilt has gotten to me from the beginning. I tried real hard in the beginning to not let it affect me but everytime he does it I ask why so arrogant when everyone is looking hard for your kid? Some cases never make it on NG or anywhere out of their local area. jmo

NG was on something else last night. A missing nurse. I had the volume off. She was bashing law enforcement.

I dont see love there either I dont think he can love. I see a babysitter for free, a mule to go get his drugs, a sleeping( to put it nice) partner, and she is not the first one, Amber B. was also used for the same reasons until she had Jordan then Ron booted her to the curb when he had Misty to do Ambers work. jmo

NG will be airing Haleigh tonight according to her show page. I do hope there will be some REAL BOMBSHELLS tonight; not just the same old duds we already know.

Good Day, everybody! Maybe NG knows Ron is a psychopath and had a everything to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance? She cuddled up to him in hopes that he would confess right there on her show! Or at least mess up. I don’t want to giver her so much credit but I do think she knows her criminal personalities.

Tobias do you remember last week when Chelsea was first on NG and pointed to Joe as the perp who murdered Haleigh? Then on last Thursdays show she stated she is not sure if Joe harmed Haleigh in any way? Chelsea knoes how to back pedal too. JMO

Just one more thing. It seemed to me the last show NG did on the case…not last night the night before. She seemed to be going easier on Misty than her usual self. Was more into the Haleigh being molested and Misty hiding thing. It just made me wonder if she had some new information that made her believe this to be the case. Just thinkin and and now wondering, lol.

Posted on my Facebook:

Nancy Grace Right now — We’re awaiting a major development in the Haleigh Cummings murder investigation! Tune in tonight at 8 PM ET for all the breaking news!

Sapp? Whoa…..Tell me more, please.

This site is getting funky.

“We’re awaiting a major development in the Haleigh Cummings murder investigation!” and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting and awaiting… waiting is a bombshell?

The following was posted by JB;
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…what I can’t figure out is why EVERYONE doesn’t see Ron for what he truly is. I have REALLY tried to see things from others’ perspectives but I truly struggle with that one. If they have followed this case closely and have really seen, read and witnessed Ron’s words and behaviors, how could they NOT find it to be HINKY at best?
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There are far more who see Ronald Cummings exactly for what he is than those who don’t. As to why SOME can’t and won’t see Ronald Cummings for what he is has to do with the lens in which they’re viewing this through, which is through their own circumstances or life style. (or the lifestyle/circumstances of the parents of their own grandchildren – hence the sympathy for Teresa Neves…) There are those who think that smoking a joint (popping some pills…), either on a regular basis or now and again, only makes them better mommys or daddys, drivers, workers, etc., I’ve heard it all by stoners (rolling eyes). Those who defend Ronald Cummings are those who themselves have made, AND continue to make, incompetent and irresponsible decisions regarding their own children; abusive relationships/live-in’s, either regularly or occassionally losing their tempers with their own child/ren and “over-disciplining”, smoking weed and/or popping pills…And God forbid, should their own child ever turn up missing and their dirty little secrets come to light, people would view and judge them just as they have Ronald Cummings – and rightfully they would. Anyone who can continuously deflect responsibility from Ronald Cummings, regardless of what the records show AND dispite when a far more historically credible person(just one example: Tim Miller) states something and they’re considered a liar and/or disbelieved OVER Ronald Cummings clearly indicates to me that these are individuals themselves that I wouldn’t leave my pet with, let alone a child! It’s easy to give an online appearance of being a great parent who truly cares about missing children…but as a poster pointed out a few weeks ago, those who have children to care for at home, yet spend an exuburent amount of time online, going as far as to insert themselves in this case by contacting players (i.e., Teresa Neves), continue their staunch support of Ronald dispite all of Ronald’s actions or inactions over the past fifteen + months, and continue to point the finger at Crystal still today; These individuals need to back away from the computer and spend some time with their own children FC’s sake! In order to find it “hinky at best” would require them to get honest about who they really are – not who they project themselves to be here. In My Opinion –

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Kate: We are right there with you! Too funny! On pins and needles waiting for the true breaking news and justice for HaLeigh.

JB: I thought I was the only one who didn’t recognize “Sapp”….Glad to have company in lala land.

FYI Donald Sapp and Daniel Snodgrass are two accused SO who are in the area and have been researched because they both had a small involvement. Sapp is the boyfriend of a Bilie Griffis(her husband was hit by a car after he filed a protection order against sapp) also known to hang out near the Croslins and Snodgrass was at the Haleigh center when he shouldnt have been and got into with Cobra. He has also been out on bail since 2007 for a sex offence.jmo

MaineMommy40, you are so right on, IMO. Great blog.

I dont think you are being called a Ron lover its just that some just cant see past him being the grieving father and see all the things he has done that are just not normal behavior. And you can believe any way you want about him and in the end it will all come out one way or another. jmo

The following was posted by Texasmommy39;
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…he will have a reminder for the rest of his life of the mistakes he has made that cost him more than a parent should endure.
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I don’t recognize this broken man you speak of…

Too many people watch programs like NG and think that’s the gospel. People don’t follow facts, listen to tapes, or do any research on their own so, this is what you wind up with. Those that do, see Ron for what he really is because we have done the research. IMO

The following was posted by Texasmommy39;
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Still waiting for the fat lady to sing!!!
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Why? She could shatter every glass in the GD house and you still won’t be able to hear her when she sings…
JMO