Simon,
Thank you for the article and for sharing information with us from T. J. Hart and Cobra Staubs.

I listened to the audio and I understand what Cobra is talking about and the effect the Haleigh Cummings Case has on the ones that are on the “ground” and got personally involved.

A special thank you to you and Jan for keeping us informed and sharing information that you certainly do not have to share. Also, a special thanks to T.J. and Cobra!

Looking forward to your show today at 3!

If we want to support Haleigh’s grandmothers’ request that the FBI take over the investigation or request some kind of additional efforts to investigate Haleigh’s disappearance we can email the following:

1) Email the Governor of Florida: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com

2) E-mail the nearest FBI field office: Jacksonville@ic.fbi.gov

3) Call or email a local news organization:
At firstcoastnews.com
On Your Side
Phone: (904) 633-8825
E-mail: onyourside@firstcoastnews.com
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First, thank you Jan and Simon for posting this. Thank you T.J. for writing this and thank you Cobra for sharing yourself. I pray that Haleigh is found, one way or another. There is a lot who need healing. It has affected my life, as a blogger, as well, not as much as others but still has touched my life. Cobra, I am happy for your new-found strength. Trust in the Lord, brother, and he will never let you down!

I wanted to also thank Simon, Lan, TJ, and Cobra. Even though I’ve never actually set foot in Satsuma, I feel like I’ve been there and I’ve even been up and down thier streets via Google Earth. I’ve kept abreast of the case, any new information, daily, no make that several times a day. I’ve witnessed good people shredded for thier efforts. I feel and have felt from the beggining that Mr Staubs was in dire trouble concerning the local LE and how he was blazing a trail of circles around them. (Maybe that just the way it seemed since LE are so closed-lippped). Bill, you got too close…to close to something bigger than Haleigh’s disappearance. Of this I am sure. There was a need to shut you down, take you out of your elment, discombobulate your reasoning…turn your life upside-down to get you to go away. I applaude you Sir, not only do you continue to fight for Haleigh under all of the life stressors you are living under you remain determined and unswayed! I’m sorry you’ve had to endure these attacks and problems but maybe just maybe your case and what was going on with you will in some way crack open the Haliegh Cummings case in the process.
Also I wanted to say that Haleigh is not the only person being held hostage: her families, her friends, Writers and News Editors, Bloggers, & PIs. We’re all being held hostsge to the question:
What happen to Haleigh Cummings?

thank you for this article t.j. and to simon and jan for making it possible here.

i listened to the phone call. i want to say to cobra that i am so happy you were on top of what c. boy did. and bless kim and yourself for trying to remedy the situation. i just went on that website and i did not see what you were talking about, so hopefully the situation has been taken care of.

cobra i am surprised at your living with k.p. oh my word! all i can say is, i hope everyone involved in the search for haleigh can work out there own issues as well as you and kim have. i pray that everything else you are going through is resolved and set right for you very soon. you have touched my heart and i wish you all the best.

having said i hope that everyone works out their own issues, i mean the best they can. i was heartened to hear that both grandmas seem to agree about wanting to have the feds brought into the case. that is something, even if it is one thing that they agree on. (well, one thing that i know about.) both grandmas love haleigh even if they don’t see eye to eye on everything or even anything else. i am so sorry for what both of these woman are going through. i hope that the fbi can be brought in to help or take over the case if that is what will bring haleigh home.

i have done my best from afar to try to understand everything going on with haleigh, haleigh’s loved ones, the community where she lives, the investigation itself, law enforcement, and the other bloggers. of course us blogger’s hearts are with haleigh. but, it has been very surprising about how involved and passionate i feel reading and blogging about the case. i can only imagine how it has been for all of you who are more directly involved with looking for haleigh. i cannot even imagine how it has been for haleigh’s family and friends.

t.j. thank you for the conversation you had with bill and sharing it with us all. i actually feel blessed for you two sharing this with us/me. i also appreciated hearing bill talk about pastor regan, jeff hardy, captain dominick and the others involved in searching for haleigh.

i hope next week we hear good news about the The Laura Recovery Center from Texas coming on board. who knows what happened originally – so much was going on at that time.

haleigh is a beautiful innocent child who deserves to come home and live with the love of her family.

i am lookiing forward to today’s show. i hope everyone has a wonderful day.

COBRA this is for you.

The BEST will happen for you. Your trial is also on my mind. I am confident, that a man who has done so many people so well, that nothing will come on anything. I really beleive that.

Deb

Yes, Cobra, I felt for you on BNN today, you sounded to me like there was no door open for you,and you were just done, but you know what you know and please don’t let those people that play the game win, I hope you find strength and just sit back and reflect on this, see who your true friends are and who are your enemies?? Then think what is the best way you can help Haleigh? I have only seen what you have done, I have seen nothing what LE has done besides arrest the Croslins, nothing, ziltch on Haleigh, how is that? Are you sure Johnny S isn’t involved here or somebody from that side, I’ve been thinking about that side a lot, have you watched that interview of Marie and Crystal,that is telling something right there to, so I see why this has become such a mess, somebody has to sit down and start eliminating people and see what is left?? I hope you can take some time and sort all this out and for yourself Cobra,all the best, enjoy listening to what you have to say, so I hope you will come on BNN and let us know how you are doing..Take Care,wish you nothing but the best,if it weren’t for you, we would still know nothing about all these characters you brought to the forfeit, by the way, what are your thoughts on Nay Nay and Amber, are they involved in anyway, or do you think Misty confided in them at all?

I didn’t listen today to Simon and the Gang, however I feel Cobra will get nothing but a slap on the wrist. Which IMO is still too much.

Certain people didn’t want him snooping and getting in their way. He is a good man.

Happy Holidays everyone.

What is all this bs with TH trying to get on tv with information about HaLeigh?If someone has information they should just spill it and stop trying to make a buck off a missing little child.At the beginning of this case,Misty and Ron were on Greta or NG,in an interview.Misty said she was four inches from HaLeigh and HaLeigh was on her little bed.Ron said,No,it was four feet.So was it four inches or four feet?It’s hard to tell which story change of Misty’s to see if HaLeigh was in bed with her,in the living room,or her own bed and Jr was in bed with Misty or up running around while Misty was going to sleep.FBI should have had this case from the beginning anyway.

I’m completely ignorant in regards to corruption in Police in Satsuma. IMO the issue has been the target of focus. I believe the Police have their hearts involved in this however I think they have suffered from Tunnel vision. I know what I heard Nancy Grace ask Ronald Cummings. I know because it was one of the last shows I watched before I don’t anymore which is another cans of worms not relevant. Nancy Grace asked Ronald if he sent Tommy to his home that night, if he directly requested Tommy to go to his home and Ronald said No he did not. I think what happened there for many is questions. I don’t believe Ronald would lie about that or with hold anything pertaining to his child’s abduction. If Nancy Grace can find Ronald in another state hook him up to National TV and ask that question then why could the Police not ask that same question when they had Tommy there. Why did they not call Ronald and ask him that and then go and put that on Tommy? Instead they didn’t mention that part and the rest of the questionable parts of Tommy’s story and just set it loose in the media as a for sure reliable witness against Misty. Then people see Ronald on National TV and learn the rest of it and with that the confidence is lost. Also would that in of itself not be obstruction by Tommy? I think that was the last straw for people. I understand that as a case is investigated many officers lives and others lives some times are touched some for life and it is hard to see an officer hurt that also remains for life but right now it has to be about Haleigh and what is best for her and if they can’t get off Misty and be honest with their selves then it has to leave their hands.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families.

winterose, t.h., that tv stuff – ugh!!!

hangnon – Thank you for the explanation. It helps a lot but I am still befuddled by this. Why would LE hound Misty all this time with “Misty is the key?” Do they think she woke up and knows who took Haleigh?
I just can’t make sense of any of it including HOW LE or anyone (who was not there) KNOW where, when or how Misty was sleeping with Haleigh. Makes no sense at all.

And even if it’s true, it does not exclude possibilities like – they were somewhere else earlier or later or someone else came in to the MH or pretty much anything else. I mean how would LE KNOW where Misty and Haleigh were ALL night? I’m afraid this is just another tempest in a teacup that proves nothing (except that Cobra should not confide in reporters and those reporters should not publish a lot of what “they” do especially the way they do)

I have said from the start that LE knew where Misty was that night. They had to. They gave her polys right away and you can believe the questions of where Misty was, did she leave the MH were part of those polys.

Also remember we do not know what Jr may have told LE. He was nearly 4 and could talk, very clearly. Who knows maybe he told LE that they were all in bed. We just don’t know.

I believe with everything I am that LE has known from the start that Misty and the children were at home in bed at the time HaLeigh was abducted.

Hangnon, as you know, we have to agree to disagree about TCH. 🙂

But supposedly he was told all this by Cobra, right? It’s not something TCH uncovered himself or even interpreted himself. So the only “credit” he gets is for putting it on his website. Big deal.

And Cobra was supposed to have heard it from Peggy Cone? Why? In what universe would she tell him anything other than where the nearest exit is?

And as far as it being something only the abductor knows, are you and TCH saying that Peggy is the abductor? Again, I can make no sense of this.

hangnon: I’m not trying to fight with you or insult you. I honestly didn’t think of any other meaning as far as “only the abductor would know” that.
So does that mean that Peggy has talked with the abductor and is keeping that person’s identity secret?
And as far as going public with it. IF it was originally confidential and since – even now – it makes no sense, I can see why no one published it before.
I still don’t comprehend it’s possible meaning.
Does even TCH claim to have an explanation as to what it’s supposed to mean? Really, I’m serious. I don’t know what it’s supposed to mean or what he or anyone else thinks it means. Do you?

I agree with both of you Hangnon and m2cheart.

I can’t cipher the entire meaning of Tim’s latest two posts either. It could have several meanings. Though I like Hangnon’s interpretation. As I felt some of the information does lead one to think that’s what it means.

Bottom line, we need more clarity on these latest two post articles of Tim’s.

LE needs to give Haleigh’s family some answers to help them have a better understanding of where the investigation is at and their strategy so the family can offer their support and be comforted also.

I understand what you are saying m2c BUT do you really think it is probable that all of Putnam County peeked in the windows to know where Misty and HaLeigh were sleeping? Very unlikely. Which would mean the abductor WOULD know where they took HaLeigh from.

The point I am trying to make is if it it TRUE then HOW would LE know that? That is the question we need to be asking.

There are a few things that puzzle me. First off, did everyone feel this strongly when Junior was placed on national television? I was outraged, because he was three years old and HaLeigh had been abducted. Nothing, covering this baby’s face and he looked scared to death.

Many seem to have a dislike for TH, but, as far as I can see, he is the only investigative reporter who has covered this case with facts. Why does that bother so many?

Why Cobra did not tell what he knew months ago on Simon and Jan’s show is beyond me. Maybe you should be upset with him.

I want HaLeigh home before Christmas because she has been gone far too long. As a parent, I think most of us know what it is like to be in a store with your child, pick something up to look at it and all of a sudden, notice in less than a minute your child is no longer in sight. The panic you feel is devastating, as you run up and down the aisles screaming. Please, close your eyes and imagine feeling this way 24/7. God bless HaLeigh and her family.

Becca2 – Yes. A lot of people were outraged that little Jr was on TV. And just so you know, the “one I will not discuss” published names and photos of two children on his garbage can of a web site yesterday claiming they were involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.

They were taken down pretty quickly (possibly as a result of a call from KP who may have put her lawyer skills to good use for a change).

m2c- You are wrong about that. Michael R’s picture was included in a TIP that had been sent out to PCSO, FDLE, the FBI, and Attorneys, by a person who believes that they saw HaLeigh.

So to say that TH put up the pics of underage children accusing them of anything is WRONG. That young man’s photo (who by way, will be 18 next month AND has his picture all over the net) is part of the investigation, by being included in a TIP sent to LE!

Hold on! I have to qualify my comment at 9:56 am. It is very very rare that I can follow what Cobra is talking about. So perhaps I misunderstood him.

Two “what ifs:”
What if the info Cobra told TCH that TCH published does indicate that LE knows who the abductor is – or even that someon could THINK that’s what it means. What would the abductor do? It is possible he/she would destroy the evidence. I don’t want to say what that would mean to those of us who hope Haleigh is still alive.
I just want to point out how horribly irresponsible it is to “leak” such information.
There could be consequences we do not want to imagine.

m2c- All I can say is, LE should have dealt with the info WHEN TH contacted them. They choose not to for what ever reason.

I do not believe that had LE told anybody with that info that it would be detrimental to the case or hurt the case in any way, if the info was made public, that they would have put it out there.

Remember TH has had this info for months, and goodness only knows how long Cobra had the info, AND TH has gone to all LE agencies with it. They did nothing.

I think we need to ask the questions: Is the info true? And if it is true, what does it mean as far as LE and the path their investigation has taken?

Cobra,

Please, I am begging you, please go to the FBI and tell them THE TRUTH about what you know, who told you and the games that are going on.

You’re a father, a parent, can you imagine how you would feel if this had happened to one of your children? Regardless of how you feel about either parent in this case, please, do the right thing and tell THE TRUTH.

Haleigh needs to be found and returned to her families.

Please, please, please no more cover-ups.

I sincerely wish you all the best with your court case and I pray that things improve for you very soon.

Maybe they WERE doing something that was better done without the public knowing and thereby alerting the suspect. Sometimes LE really does have to keep info to themselves in order to catch people.

Or maybe they did not respond to TCH because (a) it is obvious that telling TCH something in confidence is useless. And (b) they did not want to (nor are they required to) confirm information with any reporter.

What was said and published is still hearsay.
LE is not obligated to confirm or deny every single rumor that comes up. It does NOT justify his publication of it. In fact for all we know it could have done a lot of harm to the case (if not Haleigh herself).

M2C,

Bottom line is, LE had the information and did NOT investigate it, they did NOT contact the store and request any possible video tapes they may have had, they did NOT contact the person at the sales register for a statement. My question is, why not?

Hangnon-Was this the information that he was going to come out with but said it could execute some one if published and that he wanted to go national with it?

If it were just one sighting that they did not investegate on(Maybe a slip up) but ive read another aritcle by a lady who claims to have seen Haleigh at her doctors office! Says shes never been called or contacted by LE and has reported the sighting to local police and LE! On this TH’s website the write into action he has some other sightings on there that were not investigated either(so stated). I know if this were my child i would want all sightings near or far looked at fully!

The other thing about tips. Sometimes the “tipster” tells all in the tip and LE does not need to hear it again from them. LE could have checked with that doctor’s office without contacting the tipster. God knows LE has enough to do without calling back every psycho tipster they get. There are other ways of checking things.

Hangnon and m2cheart-

You both seem to know this case very well. For those of us who care as deeply about this case as you two do, could you explain things a little more clearer for us to understand what you are saying??
Please??

Because either I am naive, or I am stupid, but I honestly don’t believe anyone knows where Haleigh is. Does LE or Cobra know or have a huntch who was involved in her disaperance and just can’t prove it?

m2c- the tip that included Michael R’s picture was not the doctors office tip. This tip was about possible sightings of HaLiegh at businesses. The businesses were not contacted to review security tapes OR to take statements from the employees that worked that day.

hangnon – I think by now you know my opinion of what TCH writes and the way he writes it. It’s irresponsible crap, hyped headlines with no story to back it up and no proof. Just accusation after accusation. ALL of self-serving.
I do not think that LE owes him or anyone an explanation of whether they’ve followed up on certain tips or how or whether they didn’t.
They certainly don’t owe TCH a moment’s time – other than behind bars as far as I’m concerned. That’s how strongly I feel about his yellow journalism.

I will not discuss the pros or cons of anything on his site. It’s a waste of time.

M2C,

Exactly, LE can check out sighting tips through surveillance videos, I agree, they could even have local LE review the tape, or make a copy and send it to PCSO, however, PCSO did NOT contact the establishment where Haleigh was sighted, did NOT request any information at all from the shop or anyone else in the shop at the time, i.e. the sales clerk at the register etc., again I ask….why not?

Noreen: It is just as believable that LE asked that their follow-up be kept confidential. For the reasons I stated above.

If you want to join TCH in accusing LE of not following up on tips, fine. I just don’t believe a word he says because so often his conclusions are based on faulty and/or incomplete stories.

Hangnon- do you have any idea or thoughts to what information TH has that could be so big and destroying to parties involved?

I know what you’re saying M2C, I understand that LE doesn’t and cant always keep us apprised of the coming and goings of an investigation, nor would I expect them to, what I’m questioning is,

a) Why did the person that saw whom she believed to be Haleigh, have to keep calling just to get someone to take her statement and listen to what information she had.

b) Why wasn’t the business contacted, at least by phone, and a request made to obtain any possible surveillance tape(s).

m2c, with all due respect, the National Enquirer, while being a rag tabloid, often has a grain of truth in some of it’s stories, and has been the first publication to break a story on many occasions. I myself don’t like to discount anything off the cuff as you never know where that grain of truth will surface.

Just sayin……and happy Monday all.

oceanviewnan – That’s right. I agree. But
I do not need to waste my time reading the National Enquirer or “that” site and wading thru all the garbage to get that one “grain of truth.”

I am sure that I will hear about it and it will be from a source I trust.

Hangnon, Thank you for your thoughts. I to can only speculate what information he wants to go national with. But geez if the information is so damning it will go national! I dont know why anyone would want to make a buck off this poor missing child!

TH and TCH publishing ???

I can research from there. Thanks!!

Boldone3 i found information on writeintoaction.com i beleive that is TH website where he posts his info! Sorry if thats not what your looking for! It will help expalin what some are talking about here i have found helpful! Not saying the information is factual it just gave me a insight to somemore stuff that was getting talked about on here that i had no idea where they were hearing it from.

I’m not going to discuss or debat that site or that “person” anymore. He’s gotten just what he wants already. Publicity. I won’t contribute to that. All I will say is people, please read very very carefull and with a box of salt next to you.

Noreen Thank You To Wishes For You And Your Family On This Merry ChristMas Eve.

This entire investigation has been interferred with since day 1. The media ppl and the followers (many of them bloggers) provided a market to the media to continually suspect and incriminate Misty. This was good for LE. Most media ppl who claimed they wanted to get to the bottom of it, used Misty as way to attract readers/members alike which is exactly how LE didnt have to be accountable. Everyone blamed Misty, which provided the ” explanation” LE had for not solving/working the case in the proper direction.

The exploitation of the players was/is horrendous and unforgivable.

Even when LE got a confession form a known criminal/liar like Tommy Croslin, of being at the crime scene that night, no one in the media hardly even acknowledged this. Why? It would take their most commonly used subject (Misty) out of the lime light where their ratings may drop because of the focus being taken off her, where sensationalism cudnt be applied. Why didnt we recognize this on our own? Why didnt we question why that very confession wasnt headluine news. Any article may have mentioned it, yet we accepted that, and continued to rant about Misty.

I am personaly appalled at how so many ppl, cud be so quick to convict a young girl, who most likley told LE everything she knew and the truth. There was nothing to suggest she lied. I hope many ppl have reseacred LDT’s and their unreliablility.

I have seen the term “beyond a reasonable doubt” be shattered and busted. There was next to no evidence suggesting Misty had anything to do with it, yet the stories of her behavior, prior to, and after the crime were written for the sole purpose of money. Not for Haleigh’s safe return.

Of course, I am sure these ppl I refer to wanted that, yet, it was not their driving force. It was selfish and unethical, and defintely wrong. We the ppl, allowed this to happen. We did not open our eyes and weigh out the possibility that the truth had already been told. We looked forward to more articles, to continue to dissect and ruin many of the victims lives.

Now that many repercussions are being felt by so many who interferred with any kind of investigaion, they look for sympathy.

Everyone deserves a second chance and forgiveness, but I know that until responsibility it taken, and there is no apology, these motives will continue to be the driving force. There will be no desire to change.

There are many lessons we can learn from this sad case, that will hopefully be solved, so to not get involved in such a destructive way, for our own selfserving need for drama, entertainment and excitement.

This very same problem took place in the Amanda Knox trial and look at what happened to her. We the ppl, need to up our standards and expectations from the media and stop buying into sensationalism. There is no room for sensationalism in any crime story. Never will be. These are real ppl who in many cases like these 2, are victims. The jury of public opinion carry’s weight. The truth gets hidden, and lost amongst all the sensationalism, where a persons life is at stake.

I have no empathy or uunderstanding for any media ppl or wannabees who aided in this case and turned it into a circus.

I can only hope we the public, can reevaluate our own interests, and motives, into why we fed on the senationaism (and still continue to do so) in this case and been a party to it. If we can recognize the danger and destruction, we should be able to prevent it from happening to another potential victim. Lets face it, there werent any really good reasons to accuse Misty of lying, as there was no evidence suggesting she lied. We need to be fair to each other, and consider what we think is reasonable doubt. Maybe we have to be more open minded and able to see that every person who in the media where a crime has been committed, arent always the perp. Media and prosecutors arent always right.

Fed Up with the Misty “Fest” said,
in December 14th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

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Well, I’ll be honest, I don’t understand what FedUp is saying. If anyone can explain it to me in simple, straightforward language I’d appreciate it.

In relation to the way the media reports on cases which (I guess) is a reflection of what they think we want to know (or are capable of understanding), here’s a recent example …

Last Friday there was a very very important hearing in the Caylee Anthony case. Several critical, intereting motions were heard by the judge including (1) the defense asking that their meetings with monster NOT be recorded (standard jail policy) and (2) why the death penalty should not be an option.

Those arguments were very very meaty and key to the case yet virtually ALL (4) of the local news org websites reported on that hearing with a headline like “Casey cries at hearing.”

That’s it. That’s what they thought was MOST important, that we needed to know, summed up in their moronic headline. The media thinks the public is stupid. Unfortunately they are proven right all too often.

ms peridot, you are a good sport! Thank you for taking all that with a sense of humor!

And you are right. One of the good things about the bloggers here is our ability to debate issues. Sometimes we still end up having to agree to disagree. But I know I’ve often learned something from it or gotten a new idea or new perspective on things.

Looking,

I can tell you, as someone who knows many teens in that age group, I have seen many who have low self esteem.

Isnt it clear that in that video, and I have seen it a million times, that after Misty is asked that question, she looks at Ron as if she needs his permission to respond?

It seems that mnay ppl have not given the interview any benefit at all, and have chosen to take her reponse as gospel, yet question and weigh out other things she has said.

Why is it this reponse is so easily believed and accepted?

Im assuming you wud agree that by the time she had this afterview, she had already been told by many to stop talking. It seems plausible that their intention of going on the show may have been to explain why they got married and to talk about Haleigh.

Isnt it plausible that when she answered that stupid question, she wasnt allowed to argue, retaliate or even respond? Maybe Ron told her to not get into anything about the subject. There was also someone in the background that yelled dont from behind the scenes. Did you hear that? I am not sure if it was a lawyer for Ron, but you can hear it loud and clear.Dont you think that her reponse that “she doesnt why” she said that is true in hindsight. Dont you think she wishes that she was more articulate now?

Im wondering if you have considered that in Misys position, by now where the world hates her and she is no more assertive in the interview, as when the ordeal took place, that it was easier for her to be submissive, put her head down adnd agree? She clearly looked at Ron too, who we know was the leader in the interview.

The fact remains that she was told by LE that she had an inconsistency by telling 911 of the sleeping arrangment. I think any impartial person looking at the fact that she is young, not very intelligent, lacks assertion, scared, shocked could have actually described the arrangment this way to LE without having lied… Her way of articulation is weak at best. This interview that we are dicussing confirms this.

When she responded to Meredith, she was agreeing that the detail was being considered an inconsistency, so really she wasnt lying.

If she was lying, we wud have known by now, almost a year later. When inconsistencies of details in a crime are told, it doesnt take long for LE to start uncovering the truth. Noon has ever come forward, with any credible evidence that she is a liar and sociopath.

Funny how one cud have the opinion that Misty is somewhat “loving” and feels she loved “haleigh” and children..that says that she wud be a kind person with a heart doesnt it? If this is case, how cud the same natured person carry on for a year without guilt tearing her to shreds where she wud have confessed to any insight in the crime that had been hidden.

It seems many ppl use “selective” principles when assessing Misty. Many dont believe a word she says, and pick everythimg apart, yet selectively believe her when it suits their theory of how she may have been involved.

You say that she changed her entire story and that just isnt true. She did not change her initial story. I will agree that she “clarified” but for someone to not consider giving her the benefit of saying they were sleeping together when there are 2 mattresses on the floor, were only mere inches away, is narrow minded. Her age and maturity level needs to be factored in somewhere.

It is inconsistent of you to say that she loves children, yet cud lie and withold evidence from LE and hurt Haleighs family by doing so. She wud go uts…and wud have said something by now.

Of course LE says she is the key. Dont you think they need some smoke to hide why they havent solved the case, and have not done near enough in their efforts?

LE said Jessica Lunsfords grandmother was the key too, where they crucified her and in the meantime LE was standing 6 feet away from an alive Jessica who was holed up in Coueys closet where LE could have saved her if they didnt think gramma was the key…

Cant we learn from Jessica’s ordeal? There are many like hers… why arent we considering this and only continue to give LE a red herring by using Misty as their scape goat. Respectfully, please read between the lines. Stop accomodating LE….

I am not so much interested in her looking to Ron for permission. I was interested in the fact that she admitted on national television that she was aware that she made those inconsistent statements and she does not know why. Misty admitted that she first said both children were in the bed with her and then changed it. I just went back and listened to the interview again. I do not know what LE is doing, although I do feel it has been way too long to have nothing. I can only hope that LE is doing all they can. I realize there are crooks in LE, but I also know there are honest ones to.
I do not know how she could carry on for almost a year and not fall apart. I guess if you stayed drugged up and live in a fog then you are not living in reality; you are escaping it.
We can compare cases all day long and wonder if LE is doing their jobs, but fact is Misty did in her own words admit she was aware of telling one story then changing it. Misty answered yes she was aware she did that and when asked why Misty said, ” I don’t know “

Looking,

You said …

“I am not so much interested in her looking to Ron for permission. I was interested in the fact that she admitted on national television that she was aware that she made those inconsistent statements and she does not know why.”

This is my point exactly. Many choses to use her words verbatim, as gospel in some instances and other times try and dissect amnipulate and read into other staements. There is not much consistency as to how many weigh out what they refer to as “inconsistencies”

I need to ask how anyone can disregard the circumstances of how and why she answered the way she did. This is the only “statement” to LE that was questionable, if you will…

I think more ppl need to be “interested” in the circumstances around this statement. Lets face it, that is a very srong inconsistency even if you want to cal it on. Had she said that Haleigh was in her room and then now says they were in the same room, i wud consider that an inconsistency.

My point is that the very little questionable statements were ever made by Misty. On account of the “evidence” that everything else hasnt changed, where do we draw the line as to what and who we are going to believe.

LE has come right out and said that Misty’s story hasnt changed. They go on to say that its what she isnt saying, that is inconsistant as there was no forced entry. We cant ignore other crimes that have happened like the example i gave. How do we know for sure that wasnt the case?

As far as Pat Browns theory/staement… she is a good example of a media person who’s motives are money. look at what show she is paid by???? NG and that speaks volumes of her intentions. Also, I think Pat Brown assessment of only a few ppl knowing cud actually conceal the secret. It is ridiculous to think that a few ppl cud know anything and have not said anything to anyone else. There is money up for grabs and this circle has been clear in showing that there is no loyalty among any involved.

Lastly, I dont suggest that LE are “corrupt” or intentionally “hiding the truth” …
I dont think they know thwe truth and becasue of their inability to handle and solve such a heinous shocking crime, they resort to becomeing complacent that the world thinks Misty is the key, so they dont feel pressured. I dont think there has been any evidence that this agency knows what they are doing.

How cud they mess up with the landfil so terribly? How cud they get a hit on a dumpster and not investigate as where and when the xcontents were dumped?

I ask you again. Do you honeslty believe that there is no way that Misty has told the entire truth? If you have weighed in everything and looked at this case from the bottom up. I cant see how a person cud not give her the benefit of the doubt and be able to concur that it is entirely possible she has told the entire truth.

I agree with hangon on questioning it. Do not dismiss it. Any audio or video can be checked if it had been tampered with.

Just to clarify something in relation to earlier posts.
To be inconsistent means telling the story differently another time. For example, Misty saying she slept 4 inches away from Haleigh and then another time saying she was 4 feet away is inconsistent.
For Peterson to say he was fishing that day and then another time say he was golfing that day – that’s being inconsistent.

What monster Anthony did was lie all day long. She was not inconsistent. She just lied.
There is a difference. If she had been inconsistent it would have been something like “this is where I dropped off Caylee” and then another day saying she dropped her off somewhere else. So monster was not inconsistent. Just plain lying.

When someone is inconsistent what is important is WHY? It could be for any number of reasons. Jumbled up memory, suddenly remembering something, simple confusion or a deliberate lie. The problem is we don’t know why Misty’s story was inconsistent or which parts of it to believe.

FedUp – Look up the definition of inconsistent. The example I gave of her changing the part of her story from 4″ inches away from Haleigh to 4 feet is inconsistent. One time she told the story one way. Another time she told it another way. That’s inconsistent.
I also used the example of Monster lying that first day and I was thinking mostly about “going to work” where she worked etc. Those lies. So yes, later monster changed her story from Sawgrass to JBlanchard Park (that’s an inconsistency). I know that. I meant the other outright lies she told.

I was just giving examples to show what “inconsistent” means. I was not drawing conclusions about the full extent of anyone’s statements nor was I comparing cases.

In case you still don’t understand, I was giving an example of ONE inconsistent statement in Misty’s story. NOT counting them or comparing their quantity or quality to any other person’s inconsistencies or lies.

m2c,

As usual, you have it all wrong…I agreed with your definitions of “inconsistent” I dont need to look it up… In the post I wrote, I agreed that under the definition, of Mistys articulation, of the sleeping arrangements, along with the definition, there should be degrees of undersatanding/acceptance and gave examples of serious inconsistencies, of criminals where there are many reasons to question their innocense. The inconsistency of Mistys leaves room for belief.

I considered you to be the voice of a person, not a shadow, as you refer to yourself as. I was being courteous, in acknowledging your existence and concerns. If you dont want to be addressed and replied to, why post? This is an open forum isnt it? Are you the authority figure here? Why can you go addressing whoever you like, and then whine when someoe addresses you. If this is your site, why is it open? Why do you ask for ppls input in a comment field if you dont want to hear their input?

This isnt the first time I have endured your rude replies. Is it a habit of yours to personally attack ppl, who bring more insight to the issue at hand? It cant be good for your site.

Am I missing something? I am seeing the same discussions I read about 9 months ago. Can someone let me know if there is anything new on this case, or is really a cold case?

Okay, once again, FedUp, you seem to have made assumptions about my thoughts on things (like Misty) and take me to task or challenge me on issues you don’t even know that I have issues with. In fact I often find the way you word your posts very similar to the old “have you stopped beating your wife yet?” question – when asked of someone who never beat their wife. It puts the person you are asking the question of in the wrong from the get go.
So “looking for justice” was correct. I was trying to tell you that you are arguing with yourself.

The only reason I jumped into the conversation was to clarify the word inconsistency which I have seen misused a lot. That is all I wanted to say.

I have not made any assumptions or decisions about Misty’s story so yes, FedUp, I resented your words and your tone when you responded with
(1)”If you apply some logic in the entire story,” (as if I haven’t?)
(2) “you should be able to acknowledge” (like I am not able or willing?)
(3) “that a 17 yr old girl has to have some slack offered”
(4) Like I haven’t? I’ve done something horribly mean to her? (I have never discussed that with anyone).
And (5)
You asked, “Do you think Misty can be compared to these 2 in terms of the lies and circumstantial evidence as well as physicla and forensic?” (I have never seen Misty compared to them. I think it’s irrelevant. I’ve never seen anyone compare the cases OTHER than for the sake of pointing out the meaning of the word inconsistent. Again not worth discussing.)

And, FedUp, the ONLY topic I addressed was the definition of the word inconsistent using one thing as an example of that definition (Misty said 4″ one time and 4 feet another time). In one response (@ 7:54) you disagreed with it and in another comment ( @12:07) you agreed with it.

And then you go on to extend the discussion (lecture?) to “there should be degrees of undersatanding/acceptance and serious inconsistencies” etc. That is a whole other topic and was not something I wanted to discuss or was even thinkinga about. I do not have to respond to every question or comment here. If somebody else wanted to they could but I wasn’t interested.

Thanks m2c for your reply.

Whoa, I just listened the radio show and it broke my heart. Cobra, please stop and take a much deserved break. Get in touch with you kids and talk to them and be with them. Gather around you your loved ones. Don’t let your break up with your partner become another barrier to push you further from your children. Gather them to you because they will heal your pain.

m2c,

You continue to dictate to ppl here. Why?
If you dont like something, move on… I have seen someone ask you this…Who made you God?
I dont submit to your childish whims…

M2c,

This is a forum, that is a silly request..I will take my chances. Seems you always find a way to reply to me… that is what started this…rememeber? (glass houses)