This just in from Tj Hart – Simon
It has been more than ten months since now 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings was taken from her father’s home in the middle of the night at Hermit’s Cove near Satsuma, FL.
In that time, searches have been conducted, evidence has been processed, tips have been followed up on, lawyers have been hired and fired, there has been a marriage, a divorce, an engagement and a possible break-up. Rumors have been started, accusations with no proof have been hurled, trouble-makers on the internet have created a new sport and we are still no closer to finding this little girl and bringing her home.
Recently, a new search group, The Laura Recovery Center from Texas, indicated that they might be interested in aiding in the search to find Haleigh. They claimed in an email that “LE declined their offer for assistance.”
Sources close to the investigation claim they are not even familiar with the group.
After an initial conversation with a representative of the Laura Recovery Center Friday, I have not heard a word as to whether they will come to Florida to conduct searches for Haleigh.
Texas Eqqusearch ended their ground searches early in the investigation based on two factors: 1) all ground searches conducted by LE were being scaled back and later halted 2) The group had another request to fill in another state.
Saturday, First Coast News reported Family of Haleigh Cummings Wants FBI Involved.
Where Haleigh Cummings is right now is still the central focus of her family and extended families, the dedicated law enforcement people who are working this case 24/7, those who are searching for her independently on the ground and on the internet and the very few reporters who are still covering this story.
This reporter’s first and foremost concern remains with the missing child and her families.
I have not been blinded to the emotional and relationship stresses the long search for Haleigh has taken on family friends, LE, private investigators, attorneys on all sides of this situation and even this reporter.
If you have been a reader or a blogger since Haleigh disappeared, you too might be feeling some of these stresses in your life.
I shared some of what I was feeling on my Twitter site Friday night. After reading it and some emails from friends and a text message from Haleigh’s paternal grandmother Teresa Neves, I realized that I am able fix what I can fix in my life.
Others have not been so fortunate.
I spoke Sunday morning with private investigator William “Cobra” Staubs on this issue. Staubs is facing a court date regarding an incident in the search for Haleigh. His court trial is nothing compared to his life trials right now. That can be said about many people who have been working on the long search for Haleigh.
AUDIO: Conversation with Cobra the Bounty Hunter
My thoughts and prayers go out to Haleigh Cummings today along with everyone who loves and cares for her.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
Haleigh is described as a now 6 year old white female. She is approximately 3’0, 39 lbs, blonde hair & brown eyes. Unknown clothing description.
Haleigh was last seen at her residence in the Hermit’s Cove area of Putnam County on February 9, 2009 between the hours of 8-10pm.
A statewide Amber Alert has been issued. An additional $30,000 in rewards have been posted.
If you have any information and wish to remain anonymous, please call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477) or you can Text your tip by Texting “TIP231 plus your message†to CRIMES (274637).
TJ Hart
Director of News and Programming
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackStill praying for Haleigh that answers will be answers and this little girl is found and brought home so closure can happen to her family and all the bloggers who has been following this precious little angel.
Simon,
Thank you for the article and for sharing information with us from T. J. Hart and Cobra Staubs.
I listened to the audio and I understand what Cobra is talking about and the effect the Haleigh Cummings Case has on the ones that are on the “ground” and got personally involved.
A special thank you to you and Jan for keeping us informed and sharing information that you certainly do not have to share. Also, a special thanks to T.J. and Cobra!
Looking forward to your show today at 3!
I think HaLeigh and this case has touched a lot of people in ways that were not expected. I do care about the sufferings of others, and I wish them the best. But most of all, it has got to be pure agony for HaLeigh’s ENTIRE family.
If we want to support Haleigh’s grandmothers’ request that the FBI take over the investigation or request some kind of additional efforts to investigate Haleigh’s disappearance we can email the following:
1) Email the Governor of Florida: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com
2) E-mail the nearest FBI field office: Jacksonville@ic.fbi.gov
3) Call or email a local news organization:
At firstcoastnews.com
On Your Side
Phone: (904) 633-8825
E-mail: onyourside@firstcoastnews.com
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It’s unfortunate how much so many people have suffered..when they are the very ones who never lost the heart and soul to find HaLeigh and bring justice to the evil doers. It is such a shame that so many people who have done nothing in the search for this child could actually say and do things that would ultimately ruin the lives of those that did do all they could to find justice for HaLeigh. Why people would ever dream of posting stories and hurting others for their own achievements, showing up with an agenda of being a hero at any cost, is beyond me. This TH person, for example, posting stories and pictures of underage children and claiming their involvement, without justification and proof….to claim a name for himself….is dispicible IMO. I hope he and others like him pay dearly for their wrong doings. Corruption is an evil thing and this case has been so full of it that it is incredibly pathetic. It runs so much deeper than any of us, the average person, has a clue about. The lives that were ruined, the lies that were told, the backstabbing of innocent people, making them out to look bad, and the list goes on…..sad, pathetic actions all for their own personal agenda. My heart aches for them all….I hope that some day, someone will be able to get to the bottom of all of this, weed through the deceipt and deception and pay for their sins! I think it is time for those people to be punished and those that actually held a place in their heart and soul and actually did the right things, and never lost the hope for HaLeigh will be rewarded in some way. Those that lost so much along the way but yet still never gave up on HaLeigh! 10 months and no answers…something stinks in Satsuma!!
WHERE OH WHERE IS HALEIGH CUMMINGS??
First, thank you Jan and Simon for posting this. Thank you T.J. for writing this and thank you Cobra for sharing yourself. I pray that Haleigh is found, one way or another. There is a lot who need healing. It has affected my life, as a blogger, as well, not as much as others but still has touched my life. Cobra, I am happy for your new-found strength. Trust in the Lord, brother, and he will never let you down!
I had just listened to Tj’s interview with William “Cobra” Staubs and I found myself crying my eyes out,trembling and in a hot then cold sweat. I believe that this case has affected most if not all people who sincerely care about this missing child and who want her found and the responsible person(s) held accountable.
We are all doing our best to try to solve this case and as time passes by it wears on everyone, affecting relationships, behaviors and even affecting people physically due to the stress. All the people wanting to be a hero for this little girl feel disheartened and some might even feel alone and defeated.
Soldiers and law enforcement officers alike are subject to this type of stress each and everyday.
I too am familiar with this very normal response. It’s your body and brain’s way of saying “Hey, it’s time to take a break and defuse because if we are not good to ourself then we are no good to anyone else either.”
And that’s the thing right there, you WANT to do good, we demand that good survives in this world that we live in even when we know that bad things can, will and do happen.
Sadly and IMO, unnacceptably, some do not want the same and in an effort to counter the negative and ensure an acceptable level of civility we have a system of justice set in place with rules that are designed and meant to be fair to everyone. The system is continually tested just to be sure and those who abuse the system from any level will be judged by an even higher power. I sincerely believe that and know in my heart and spirit that it is true.
We all struggle to do our best in fighting for the system to work fairly. Sadly sometimes in the interest of peace and justice we might suffer for it one way or another but in my very humble opinion all who stand to fight for peace and justice are heroes.
It may seem contradictory but one thing I know to be true is that a negative and a negative equal a positive and I guess that sometimes our Creator sees fit to remind us of that fact.
Be well to each and every one of us who have justice for Haleigh in our hearts. May she soon be found and the responsible party(s) be held accountable.
Take care and know that you are appreciated, necessary and definately not alone.
I wanted to also thank Simon, Lan, TJ, and Cobra. Even though I’ve never actually set foot in Satsuma, I feel like I’ve been there and I’ve even been up and down thier streets via Google Earth. I’ve kept abreast of the case, any new information, daily, no make that several times a day. I’ve witnessed good people shredded for thier efforts. I feel and have felt from the beggining that Mr Staubs was in dire trouble concerning the local LE and how he was blazing a trail of circles around them. (Maybe that just the way it seemed since LE are so closed-lippped). Bill, you got too close…to close to something bigger than Haleigh’s disappearance. Of this I am sure. There was a need to shut you down, take you out of your elment, discombobulate your reasoning…turn your life upside-down to get you to go away. I applaude you Sir, not only do you continue to fight for Haleigh under all of the life stressors you are living under you remain determined and unswayed! I’m sorry you’ve had to endure these attacks and problems but maybe just maybe your case and what was going on with you will in some way crack open the Haliegh Cummings case in the process.
Also I wanted to say that Haleigh is not the only person being held hostage: her families, her friends, Writers and News Editors, Bloggers, & PIs. We’re all being held hostsge to the question:
What happen to Haleigh Cummings?
It’s rainy and cold out side today.My children are here ages 15,10,&3yo.playn laughn,etc.and there’s just a heaviness I have for Haleigh.Where’s this baby?The pain her family faces daily.Trapped in their own thoughts,no escape from their own minds,what tourment in itself.Not to mention if this baby is out there somewhere,she’s missing her loved ones,probably wondering when they will come for her,and what her brother is doing.It sickens me, that someone would be so evil,and selfish whatever the case maybe it’s christmas,she’s been gone almost a year.The family deserves answers.If [GOD FORBID]Haleigh is in heaven then my gosh lead someone to her so she can atleast be properly put away,she’s an innocent baby,never hurt anyone,in the videos always playing and being lovable,so full of joy and life.This isn’t fair.I believe with every fiber of my being LE “JUST AINT RIGHT”I don’t know if they’re just corrupt or involved but FBI needs to check this out.I hope Ms.Neves has kept daily notes on all she sees LE doing WRONG.Sorry so long I just want this baby found like yesterday.I’m praying and I know God is going to move SOON,we all just gotta be patient,AND TRUST GOD HE’S JUST -n- IN CONTROL.God bless Haleigh and family
thank you for this article t.j. and to simon and jan for making it possible here.
i listened to the phone call. i want to say to cobra that i am so happy you were on top of what c. boy did. and bless kim and yourself for trying to remedy the situation. i just went on that website and i did not see what you were talking about, so hopefully the situation has been taken care of.
cobra i am surprised at your living with k.p. oh my word! all i can say is, i hope everyone involved in the search for haleigh can work out there own issues as well as you and kim have. i pray that everything else you are going through is resolved and set right for you very soon. you have touched my heart and i wish you all the best.
having said i hope that everyone works out their own issues, i mean the best they can. i was heartened to hear that both grandmas seem to agree about wanting to have the feds brought into the case. that is something, even if it is one thing that they agree on. (well, one thing that i know about.) both grandmas love haleigh even if they don’t see eye to eye on everything or even anything else. i am so sorry for what both of these woman are going through. i hope that the fbi can be brought in to help or take over the case if that is what will bring haleigh home.
i have done my best from afar to try to understand everything going on with haleigh, haleigh’s loved ones, the community where she lives, the investigation itself, law enforcement, and the other bloggers. of course us blogger’s hearts are with haleigh. but, it has been very surprising about how involved and passionate i feel reading and blogging about the case. i can only imagine how it has been for all of you who are more directly involved with looking for haleigh. i cannot even imagine how it has been for haleigh’s family and friends.
t.j. thank you for the conversation you had with bill and sharing it with us all. i actually feel blessed for you two sharing this with us/me. i also appreciated hearing bill talk about pastor regan, jeff hardy, captain dominick and the others involved in searching for haleigh.
i hope next week we hear good news about the The Laura Recovery Center from Texas coming on board. who knows what happened originally – so much was going on at that time.
haleigh is a beautiful innocent child who deserves to come home and live with the love of her family.
i am lookiing forward to today’s show. i hope everyone has a wonderful day.
If the sheet that was used to provide a scent to the tracking dogs had been changed to a clean one without HaLeigh ever having touched it, wouldn’t it stand to reason that the dogs tracked whoever touched and changed the sheet and the dogs were not tracking Haleigh at all?
COBRA this is for you.
The BEST will happen for you. Your trial is also on my mind. I am confident, that a man who has done so many people so well, that nothing will come on anything. I really beleive that.
Deb
Wondering, I have been wondering about those sheets myself, why would they take and put them out on the ramp,are you not suppose to protect your evidence or preserve it? I have my doubts Misty washed those sheets, did she even do the supper dishes, or were they still at the sink, she maintains she was cleaning up before she went to bed,what did she clean? If the story is at all true, the kids were eating at 7 when GG Sykes dropped by,she put the kids down with a movie at 8, talked with Ron at 8:30 saying she couldn’t get Haleigh to settle down,wanted to go babysit outside the home,and in my eyes, she wanted to do that most of all, so I think she went out,but did she leave the kids,get cousin Joe to babysit, bring them over to her Moms,or take them with her?? So when did she get time to clean up and be in bed by 10? Tommy went over there, supposedly between 9:45 and 10 P.M.Haleigh wasn’t settled down by 8:30 so how is it she would not hear Tommy at 9:45 if she was there? She had no idea Ron would be working until 3 A.M. and is usually home by 12:30, so the way I see it all this took place between 8:30 and 12, because she would want to be home before Ron,of course there are other scenarios also, Tommy was there after School with his kids,and they may have just stayed there,and other people came there,maybe Tommy took his kids home once Lindsay was back home, GG Sykes would know if Tommy and his kids were there at 7, but Misty has said they left around 5:30, so did he and Joe come back? Maybe Misty did crash,and this was cousin Joe’s chance to get what Ron has coming to him?? Wish we could know from Joe what he mean’t by that.
Yes, Cobra, I felt for you on BNN today, you sounded to me like there was no door open for you,and you were just done, but you know what you know and please don’t let those people that play the game win, I hope you find strength and just sit back and reflect on this, see who your true friends are and who are your enemies?? Then think what is the best way you can help Haleigh? I have only seen what you have done, I have seen nothing what LE has done besides arrest the Croslins, nothing, ziltch on Haleigh, how is that? Are you sure Johnny S isn’t involved here or somebody from that side, I’ve been thinking about that side a lot, have you watched that interview of Marie and Crystal,that is telling something right there to, so I see why this has become such a mess, somebody has to sit down and start eliminating people and see what is left?? I hope you can take some time and sort all this out and for yourself Cobra,all the best, enjoy listening to what you have to say, so I hope you will come on BNN and let us know how you are doing..Take Care,wish you nothing but the best,if it weren’t for you, we would still know nothing about all these characters you brought to the forfeit, by the way, what are your thoughts on Nay Nay and Amber, are they involved in anyway, or do you think Misty confided in them at all?
oops..* for front..
I didn’t listen today to Simon and the Gang, however I feel Cobra will get nothing but a slap on the wrist. Which IMO is still too much.
Certain people didn’t want him snooping and getting in their way. He is a good man.
Happy Holidays everyone.
I haven’t listened to the show yet, but I plan to later this evening. Unfortunately the weekend went way too fast. Need to get things ready to start the work week. I wanted to take a few minutes to catch up a little bit.
I can feel the compassion in all your comments.
It’s hard for some to understand how we have come to love a little girl we’ve never met. I spend a lot of time thinking of Haleigh as I know the rest of you do. I’m in the process of putting up some Christmas decorations. Normally this would already have been done. I can’t help thinking of Haleigh’s family having to do this when their heart is not in it. They have to do the best they can so things are as normal as possible for little “butterbean”. Can you imagine how hard this is?
m2c♥, thank you for taking the time to provide the links so we are able to support Haleigh’s Grandmother’s request.
Have a great evening everyone.
What is all this bs with TH trying to get on tv with information about HaLeigh?If someone has information they should just spill it and stop trying to make a buck off a missing little child.At the beginning of this case,Misty and Ron were on Greta or NG,in an interview.Misty said she was four inches from HaLeigh and HaLeigh was on her little bed.Ron said,No,it was four feet.So was it four inches or four feet?It’s hard to tell which story change of Misty’s to see if HaLeigh was in bed with her,in the living room,or her own bed and Jr was in bed with Misty or up running around while Misty was going to sleep.FBI should have had this case from the beginning anyway.
Cobra:
I will be praying and thinking about you during this coming week, as I know alot of people will. I know that you have lost so much, and I pray for your complete restoration. I pray for you to be completely declared innocent and your peace and your joy to be restored.
I also pray for peace for Haleigh’s family, and some truths to come for them for the restoration of little Haleigh.
God still answers prayers.
I’m completely ignorant in regards to corruption in Police in Satsuma. IMO the issue has been the target of focus. I believe the Police have their hearts involved in this however I think they have suffered from Tunnel vision. I know what I heard Nancy Grace ask Ronald Cummings. I know because it was one of the last shows I watched before I don’t anymore which is another cans of worms not relevant. Nancy Grace asked Ronald if he sent Tommy to his home that night, if he directly requested Tommy to go to his home and Ronald said No he did not. I think what happened there for many is questions. I don’t believe Ronald would lie about that or with hold anything pertaining to his child’s abduction. If Nancy Grace can find Ronald in another state hook him up to National TV and ask that question then why could the Police not ask that same question when they had Tommy there. Why did they not call Ronald and ask him that and then go and put that on Tommy? Instead they didn’t mention that part and the rest of the questionable parts of Tommy’s story and just set it loose in the media as a for sure reliable witness against Misty. Then people see Ronald on National TV and learn the rest of it and with that the confidence is lost. Also would that in of itself not be obstruction by Tommy? I think that was the last straw for people. I understand that as a case is investigated many officers lives and others lives some times are touched some for life and it is hard to see an officer hurt that also remains for life but right now it has to be about Haleigh and what is best for her and if they can’t get off Misty and be honest with their selves then it has to leave their hands.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families.
hello karon,
i hope you enjoyed your thanksgiving. glad to see you here. i missed you.
did you listen to todays show? i did hear most of it, but need to relisten to a few parts. i want to hear all of what denny said and also i think i missed some of t.j. i just finished listening to last sunday’s show a couple of days ago. i think last sunday and maybe this sunday too denny may have been reffering to something i had posted. something that needs to be talked about carefully and i did a poor job of it.
i hate what cobra is going through.
cobra really sounded like his heart is so broken. even though i have never met him i know he is a strong man. i pray his life is restored and put back to normal asap.
karon, do you have any new thoughts on the case. i was hoping the fbi or the state could be called in and maybe lend some new eyes. but, on the “new search” thread Holly’s Gmom said,in December 13th, 2009 at 1:43 pm …”They (fbi)have to be INVITED by local LE. Unless it can be proven the victim was taken across state lines then it becomes automatically FBI jurisdiction. Thereby they run the show.” i still want to write some letters.
i myself am not suppose to be on here anymore, i have other things i need to concentrate on. but, boy it is hard to stay away. i have wavered back and forth whether i have hope haleigh is still with us. i have decided until proven otherwise, i will be one who is staying hopeful haleigh will be found alive somewhere. i think for me that is partly why i keep checking in to often.
well i have to sign off now, i have to get some sleep, good night/morning.
winterose, t.h., that tv stuff – ugh!!!
For me the point of the revelation by TH of what Cobra was told by LE, is that LE has known all along that Misty was indeed at home and in bed with HaLeigh, so why the game playing by LE for all these months?
That would mean, regardless if LE believes it was not a stranger that took HaLeigh, that a child abductor is still running loose in Putnam County, and the residents should have been made aware of that.
It also should make us question just what was Tommy doing at the MH that night. If he banged on the door and windows as he claims, then even if Misty did not wake up, then certainly one of the children would have.
So, if what Cobra told TH is true, then we now know
Ron was at work
Misty was at home in bed
HaLeigh was in bed with Misty
Tommy had access to unlock the door earlier
Tommy knows Misty is a heavy sleeper
Tommy knows Misty was very tired
Tommy knows why Misty moved out
Tommy was back at the MH later that night
Tommy has a history of violence, theft, drugs
Scary!
hangnon – Thank you for the explanation. It helps a lot but I am still befuddled by this. Why would LE hound Misty all this time with “Misty is the key?” Do they think she woke up and knows who took Haleigh?
I just can’t make sense of any of it including HOW LE or anyone (who was not there) KNOW where, when or how Misty was sleeping with Haleigh. Makes no sense at all.
And even if it’s true, it does not exclude possibilities like – they were somewhere else earlier or later or someone else came in to the MH or pretty much anything else. I mean how would LE KNOW where Misty and Haleigh were ALL night? I’m afraid this is just another tempest in a teacup that proves nothing (except that Cobra should not confide in reporters and those reporters should not publish a lot of what “they” do especially the way they do)
Just to clarify, I was using the word “reporter” very loosely since I was specifically referring to TCH.
I have said from the start that LE knew where Misty was that night. They had to. They gave her polys right away and you can believe the questions of where Misty was, did she leave the MH were part of those polys.
Also remember we do not know what Jr may have told LE. He was nearly 4 and could talk, very clearly. Who knows maybe he told LE that they were all in bed. We just don’t know.
I believe with everything I am that LE has known from the start that Misty and the children were at home in bed at the time HaLeigh was abducted.
m2c- I am a strong believer in the freedoms of the press, while I do believe they should tread carefully. I believe TH has taken this info to everybody he can, including PCSO, before putting it out to the public.
You also make TH’s point. HOW WOULD LE know that HaLeigh WAS in the bed with Misty. That would be something that only the abductor would know for sure.
Hangnon, as you know, we have to agree to disagree about TCH. 🙂
But supposedly he was told all this by Cobra, right? It’s not something TCH uncovered himself or even interpreted himself. So the only “credit” he gets is for putting it on his website. Big deal.
And Cobra was supposed to have heard it from Peggy Cone? Why? In what universe would she tell him anything other than where the nearest exit is?
And as far as it being something only the abductor knows, are you and TCH saying that Peggy is the abductor? Again, I can make no sense of this.
I in no way SAID P Cone was the abductor, let’s get the clear right now.
I am saying IF what Cobra told TH is true WHERE did LE get that information since only the abductor would know for sure where HaLeigh and Misty were that night, and in what bed they were in.
Now you can say that Cobra lied about that info, and maybe he did, BUT I have found while Cobra does say some things that are not true, he also says things that ARE true.
TH took that info to everybody he could. Nobody did anything about it or investigated it or came public with it. WHY?
Remember Cobra and KP were friends and working together and KP has stated publicly that her and Cone were on very close terms, so I would not doubt Cone telling KP that, based on some things that KP has stated in interviews as well as on WS.
Maybe you should question if Cobra was indeed there to find HaLeigh, WHY didn’t HE put that info out there? He had access to many national media resources. Hell I am sure NG or JVM would have been very happy to put Cobra on their show to put that info out there.
Don’t blame the messenger, question the message.
hangnon: I’m not trying to fight with you or insult you. I honestly didn’t think of any other meaning as far as “only the abductor would know” that.
So does that mean that Peggy has talked with the abductor and is keeping that person’s identity secret?
And as far as going public with it. IF it was originally confidential and since – even now – it makes no sense, I can see why no one published it before.
I still don’t comprehend it’s possible meaning.
Does even TCH claim to have an explanation as to what it’s supposed to mean? Really, I’m serious. I don’t know what it’s supposed to mean or what he or anyone else thinks it means. Do you?
Also, I don’t think it’s accurate to say that only the abductor would know that. All of Putnam County could have traipsed thru that MH or peeked in the window. It would only take one of them to abduct Haleigh.
I agree with both of you Hangnon and m2cheart.
I can’t cipher the entire meaning of Tim’s latest two posts either. It could have several meanings. Though I like Hangnon’s interpretation. As I felt some of the information does lead one to think that’s what it means.
Bottom line, we need more clarity on these latest two post articles of Tim’s.
LE needs to give Haleigh’s family some answers to help them have a better understanding of where the investigation is at and their strategy so the family can offer their support and be comforted also.
I agree that hangnon’s theory makes sense as a possibility. But what it would mean in relation to what Cobra told TCH that Peggy told him (or KP) is that the only way LE would know that is hearing it from the abductor, who (in this theory) is Tommy, so why wouldn’t he be in jail for it by now?
Is TCH supposedly holding back more info or is that it? The “he said she said?”
I understand what you are saying m2c BUT do you really think it is probable that all of Putnam County peeked in the windows to know where Misty and HaLeigh were sleeping? Very unlikely. Which would mean the abductor WOULD know where they took HaLeigh from.
The point I am trying to make is if it it TRUE then HOW would LE know that? That is the question we need to be asking.
Exactly. How would LE know that IF only the abductor knows. According to your theory, then Tommy would have had to tell them, so why wouldn’t he be arrested by now?
The only reason could be that Tommy admitted to being there and seeing them sleeping and LE believed it but decided that that it is not enough to arrest him for. (I am not suggesting any of this as a theory. Just continuing the discussion).
There are a few things that puzzle me. First off, did everyone feel this strongly when Junior was placed on national television? I was outraged, because he was three years old and HaLeigh had been abducted. Nothing, covering this baby’s face and he looked scared to death.
Many seem to have a dislike for TH, but, as far as I can see, he is the only investigative reporter who has covered this case with facts. Why does that bother so many?
Why Cobra did not tell what he knew months ago on Simon and Jan’s show is beyond me. Maybe you should be upset with him.
I want HaLeigh home before Christmas because she has been gone far too long. As a parent, I think most of us know what it is like to be in a store with your child, pick something up to look at it and all of a sudden, notice in less than a minute your child is no longer in sight. The panic you feel is devastating, as you run up and down the aisles screaming. Please, close your eyes and imagine feeling this way 24/7. God bless HaLeigh and her family.
Facts? My azz. Misinterpretations. MIS QUOTES!Hyped headlines. And NO proof of anything.
I am officially withdrawing from further discussion regarding that irresponsible fruitcake. I won’t contribute to the unwarranted publicity he’s getting.
Becca2 – Yes. A lot of people were outraged that little Jr was on TV. And just so you know, the “one I will not discuss” published names and photos of two children on his garbage can of a web site yesterday claiming they were involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.
They were taken down pretty quickly (possibly as a result of a call from KP who may have put her lawyer skills to good use for a change).
Sorry,
“There are a few things that puzzle me. First off, did everyone feel this strongly when Junior was placed on national television? I was outraged, because he was three years old and HaLeigh had been abducted. Nothing, covering this baby’s face and he looked scared to death.”
This was in reference to the discussion about an underaged male’s picture being posted.
m2c- You are wrong about that. Michael R’s picture was included in a TIP that had been sent out to PCSO, FDLE, the FBI, and Attorneys, by a person who believes that they saw HaLeigh.
So to say that TH put up the pics of underage children accusing them of anything is WRONG. That young man’s photo (who by way, will be 18 next month AND has his picture all over the net) is part of the investigation, by being included in a TIP sent to LE!
hangnon @ 9:40 am – Well, don’t blame me. That’s what Cobra said (in his audio interview with TJ Hart, I believe). He said two children’s names and photos were published on “that” site a day or two ago and then taken down. I’m not saying that I “know” that. I am saying that “he said” that. Maybe we are talking about two different things.
And please don’t think that anything I ever say is purposefully in defense of Cobra. It is not. What I say may or may not happen to support something in relation to him but that is not the purpose of whatever I’m saying.
Hold on! I have to qualify my comment at 9:56 am. It is very very rare that I can follow what Cobra is talking about. So perhaps I misunderstood him.
m2c- No you are right that is what Cobra said AND it is wrong. That is why WE must each do our own research on things AND not just take anybody’s word.
The pic was included in a TIP and that TIP was on TH’s site BUT it has also been elsewhere on the web. When it was brought to TH’s attention that Michael R was not 18 yet he did take it down.
To clarify, since I had seen the documents months ago, it did NOT include the pics of a 9 and 15 year old. It does include the picture of Michael R who WAS 17 at the time.
No stone unturned. If a person’s photo and name is included in a TIP they should be investigated, IMO. Hell if they think Misty at 17 could be involved then why would they think a young man at 17 could not be involved?
No Stone Unturned. It was a TIP AND should have been followed up on.
Cobra twisted the info and embellished it and did not give accurate info regarding that pic.
Two “what ifs:”
What if the info Cobra told TCH that TCH published does indicate that LE knows who the abductor is – or even that someon could THINK that’s what it means. What would the abductor do? It is possible he/she would destroy the evidence. I don’t want to say what that would mean to those of us who hope Haleigh is still alive.
I just want to point out how horribly irresponsible it is to “leak” such information.
There could be consequences we do not want to imagine.
Im lost! Can anyone explain the tip that involves this 17 year old male?
m2c- All I can say is, LE should have dealt with the info WHEN TH contacted them. They choose not to for what ever reason.
I do not believe that had LE told anybody with that info that it would be detrimental to the case or hurt the case in any way, if the info was made public, that they would have put it out there.
Remember TH has had this info for months, and goodness only knows how long Cobra had the info, AND TH has gone to all LE agencies with it. They did nothing.
I think we need to ask the questions: Is the info true? And if it is true, what does it mean as far as LE and the path their investigation has taken?
Thank You All For What You Do And Cobra Thank You For Pride, Emotion, Diginity, Compassion Giving All You Had To Rescue And Find Little Haleigh. You Spoke On The Radio Blogg Simon Show, It Show Us You Are A Men With Compassion And Did What You Can.My Prayer Are With You And Haleigh To Be Found.
Also Why Have Cousin Joe, Have Not Been On The Media,Like Question When Him And Ronald Fought, It’s Better To Hear Him Talk What He Got To Say. Hey Every One Merry ChristMas And A Happy New Year For 2010.
Cobra,
Please, I am begging you, please go to the FBI and tell them THE TRUTH about what you know, who told you and the games that are going on.
You’re a father, a parent, can you imagine how you would feel if this had happened to one of your children? Regardless of how you feel about either parent in this case, please, do the right thing and tell THE TRUTH.
Haleigh needs to be found and returned to her families.
Please, please, please no more cover-ups.
I sincerely wish you all the best with your court case and I pray that things improve for you very soon.
Tanya- There was a tip sent to all of LE and to attorneys by a woman that believes she has seen HaLeigh. The tip included a collage of pictures which included that of Michael R.
The tip was not investigated completely by LE, they did not contact the businesses where the possible sighting took place.
TH put the TIP on his website BECAUSE it was not investigated. The docs in that tip did include Michael R’s pic who will be 18 next month. It did not include the pics of a 9 and 15 year old.
When TH was made aware that the tip documents included the pic of a minor he pulled the pic.
It was not some sinister plot by TH to expose and implicate minor children in a crime. It was the reporting of an uninvestigated tip, nothing more.
Maybe they WERE doing something that was better done without the public knowing and thereby alerting the suspect. Sometimes LE really does have to keep info to themselves in order to catch people.
Or maybe they did not respond to TCH because (a) it is obvious that telling TCH something in confidence is useless. And (b) they did not want to (nor are they required to) confirm information with any reporter.
What was said and published is still hearsay.
LE is not obligated to confirm or deny every single rumor that comes up. It does NOT justify his publication of it. In fact for all we know it could have done a lot of harm to the case (if not Haleigh herself).
Hi Shamby,
Good to see you…Merry Christmas to you and your family also, Happy New Year too.
M2C,
Bottom line is, LE had the information and did NOT investigate it, they did NOT contact the store and request any possible video tapes they may have had, they did NOT contact the person at the sales register for a statement. My question is, why not?
Noreen, the tip I read said that the so-called witnesses were customers of the store/gas station (not anyone with the store). They did not call the tip in until the NEXT DAY claiming no cell service. They did not have a license plate, car or any other description. As far as tips goes it was useless.
And LE does not have to tell everyone if, how or when they did or did not follow up on tips.
All I’ve seen TCH do is throw out very serious accusations with very little or at most very muddled information in the way of stories.
Hangnon-Was this the information that he was going to come out with but said it could execute some one if published and that he wanted to go national with it?
If it were just one sighting that they did not investegate on(Maybe a slip up) but ive read another aritcle by a lady who claims to have seen Haleigh at her doctors office! Says shes never been called or contacted by LE and has reported the sighting to local police and LE! On this TH’s website the write into action he has some other sightings on there that were not investigated either(so stated). I know if this were my child i would want all sightings near or far looked at fully!
Noreen- Exactly my feelings about it. Why did they not investigate that tip completely. Why, if they indeed did know Misty and HaLeigh were in bed sleeping, have they spent 10 months chanting “Misty is the key” and implying that Misty may have not been home or may be directly involved.
Have they just used Misty to keep the focus off of the real perp, or does LE really have nothing and have used Misty to cover their own arses?
The other thing about tips. Sometimes the “tipster” tells all in the tip and LE does not need to hear it again from them. LE could have checked with that doctor’s office without contacting the tipster. God knows LE has enough to do without calling back every psycho tipster they get. There are other ways of checking things.
Tanya- No the sighting info was not the info TH was going to come out with.
The discussion about the possible sighting info came about because the documents of that tip included a 17 year old’s picture that got twisted around to make it seem that TH had put the pics of a 9 and 15 year old up on his website.
The woman that reported the tip had several possible sightings of HaLeiegh OUT OF STATE which would mean that, if true, the FBI could be brought in to take over the case.
Hangnon and m2cheart-
You both seem to know this case very well. For those of us who care as deeply about this case as you two do, could you explain things a little more clearer for us to understand what you are saying??
Please??
Because either I am naive, or I am stupid, but I honestly don’t believe anyone knows where Haleigh is. Does LE or Cobra know or have a huntch who was involved in her disaperance and just can’t prove it?
For example, the whacko lady in the Caylee Anthony case who claimed to have seen and spoken to Caylee at the airport. LE can check out her story AT THE AIRPORT. With surveillance, flight manifests etc. If that does not show any sign of Caylee then what is the use of feeding the ego of the tipster by talking to her (which they did, though).
m2c- the tip that included Michael R’s picture was not the doctors office tip. This tip was about possible sightings of HaLiegh at businesses. The businesses were not contacted to review security tapes OR to take statements from the employees that worked that day.
BOLDONE3 – I wish I could help you. Personally, I don’t think anyone knows where Haleigh is. I cannot stomach the kind of nonsense on the other site and certainly can’t explain it. Nor can I fathom what Cobra says or why he says it most of the time.
And as I said before IF LE or Cobra knows or thinks they know who took Haleigh, thanks to Cobra telling TCH and TCH publishing it, then I would expect all evidence to have been destroyed by now anyway.
hangnon – I think by now you know my opinion of what TCH writes and the way he writes it. It’s irresponsible crap, hyped headlines with no story to back it up and no proof. Just accusation after accusation. ALL of self-serving.
I do not think that LE owes him or anyone an explanation of whether they’ve followed up on certain tips or how or whether they didn’t.
They certainly don’t owe TCH a moment’s time – other than behind bars as far as I’m concerned. That’s how strongly I feel about his yellow journalism.
I will not discuss the pros or cons of anything on his site. It’s a waste of time.
Boldone- I seriously do not know if LE or Cobra or anybody else knows where HaLeigh is, other then the person that took her and has her now.
What the info that Cobra gave to TH tells me is that there are questions that need answered, one of which is if LE does know Misty was at home, in bed with HaLeigh, and that HaLeigh was taken from that big bed, how did they get that information AND why have they pursued a different path in the investigation then having that information should have taken the investigative path.
I am a question asker though, so of course I look at the answers to those questions as possibly being relevant to why HaLeigh has not been found in 10 months.
M2C,
Exactly, LE can check out sighting tips through surveillance videos, I agree, they could even have local LE review the tape, or make a copy and send it to PCSO, however, PCSO did NOT contact the establishment where Haleigh was sighted, did NOT request any information at all from the shop or anyone else in the shop at the time, i.e. the sales clerk at the register etc., again I ask….why not?
I think some people just don’t understand how investigations work. LE does not and most often should not provide the public with a minute by minute report on what they have or have not done.
For example: Let’s say LE followed up on a tip (not by talking to the tipster but at the place of the sighting). What if it turned out it WAS Haleigh. And now they are pursuing that lead. Should that be made public? Wouldn’t that tip off the kidnapper? Wouldn’t that get Haleigh killed? So maybe sometimes LE doesn’t want the public to know what they are following up on and are perfectly happy for us to think they have not done it.
Noreen: It is just as believable that LE asked that their follow-up be kept confidential. For the reasons I stated above.
If you want to join TCH in accusing LE of not following up on tips, fine. I just don’t believe a word he says because so often his conclusions are based on faulty and/or incomplete stories.
m2c- IMO to overlook the information on TH’s site is to overlook a great deal of info regarding this case.
If TH said Cobra said something, you can bet your bottom dollar TH has proof that Cobra said it, in Cobra’s own words, coming out of Cobra’s own mouth.
There are a lot of audio’s that TH has released, in the person’s own words, that certainly raises a lot of questions. Like the things that Ruby said.
I find info in the person’s own words, coming out of their own mouth, so much more telling and intriguing then just he said, she said, third person info. That is just how I am, though.
Everybody being different and having different opinions and beliefs is what makes discussions great.
Hangnon- do you have any idea or thoughts to what information TH has that could be so big and destroying to parties involved?
Have the audiotapes been edited? What was the context of the conversation or the subject?
Yes. I will ignore his site. It is utter garbage on a par with the National Enquirer. I do not miss anything important by not reading that either.
I know what you’re saying M2C, I understand that LE doesn’t and cant always keep us apprised of the coming and goings of an investigation, nor would I expect them to, what I’m questioning is,
a) Why did the person that saw whom she believed to be Haleigh, have to keep calling just to get someone to take her statement and listen to what information she had.
b) Why wasn’t the business contacted, at least by phone, and a request made to obtain any possible surveillance tape(s).
Noreen: I don’t know how the tip line works.
And IF LE wanted to keep something confidential then they might ask the business not to reveal that they were contacted. In addition, maybe the person at the business did not feel like telling TCH what’s going on OR TCH did not reach the right person.
I’ve seen too many “misdirections” (among other things) on that site to trust anything TCH claims.
m2c, with all due respect, the National Enquirer, while being a rag tabloid, often has a grain of truth in some of it’s stories, and has been the first publication to break a story on many occasions. I myself don’t like to discount anything off the cuff as you never know where that grain of truth will surface.
Just sayin……and happy Monday all.
Tanya- I can only speculate on what was said to TH. I do believe that LE has not done the job they should have done in finding HaLeigh. That is my own personal opinion, though. Some think that LE has done a fantastic job, and that is their opinion.
BUT regardless of what anybody thinks, the fact is that it has been 10 months and HaLeigh has not been found and nobody has been charged with anything.
It is Satsuma FL for goodness sakes, with a handful of people living there, and an even smaller number who could have possibly committed this crime. It is not flipping New York City with tons of people and tons of crimes to be solved. Something is wrong in Denmark.
There has been a failing to HaLeigh and to her family in solving this case and people need to start asking WHY?
oceanviewnan – That’s right. I agree. But
I do not need to waste my time reading the National Enquirer or “that” site and wading thru all the garbage to get that one “grain of truth.”
I am sure that I will hear about it and it will be from a source I trust.
hangnon: I for one and I’m sure a lot of others believe that local LE has done a poor job (to one extent or another whether intentionally or not). And we’ve been posting about it and asking why and writing emails to government agencies. I don’t need the likes of TCH to tell me that or do it for me. In fact I think we bloggers would have a lot more credibility with those agencies if it wasn’t for him.
Hangnon, Thank you for your thoughts. I to can only speculate what information he wants to go national with. But geez if the information is so damning it will go national! I dont know why anyone would want to make a buck off this poor missing child!
I would think that the authorities would be more likely to believe somebody who has an actual audio of somebody saying something in their own words, then they would believe a blogger saying “I read a post on a blog that so-and-so said something.”
TH and TCH publishing ???
I can research from there. Thanks!!
TCH and TCH publishing ???
I can research from there. Thanks!!
Boldone3 i found information on writeintoaction.com i beleive that is TH website where he posts his info! Sorry if thats not what your looking for! It will help expalin what some are talking about here i have found helpful! Not saying the information is factual it just gave me a insight to somemore stuff that was getting talked about on here that i had no idea where they were hearing it from.
Thanks Tanya!
I’m not going to discuss or debat that site or that “person” anymore. He’s gotten just what he wants already. Publicity. I won’t contribute to that. All I will say is people, please read very very carefull and with a box of salt next to you.
hangnon – I said I wouldn’t talk about this but at least two of the audios I’ve heard were people repeating hearsay! Hearsay is hearsay and garbage is garbage whether it’s in print or on audiotape!
Noreen Thank You To Wishes For You And Your Family On This Merry ChristMas Eve.
m2c♥ said,
in December 14th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Hangnon, as you know, we have to agree to disagree about TCH. 🙂
But supposedly he was told all this by Cobra, right? It’s not something TCH uncovered himself or even interpreted himself. So the only “credit” he gets is for putting it on his website. Big deal.
And Cobra was supposed to have heard it from Peggy Cone? Why? In what universe would she tell him anything other than where the nearest exit is?
And as far as it being something only the abductor knows, are you and TCH saying that Peggy is the abductor? Again, I can make no sense of this.
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Peggy Cone apparently has a big mouth. Kim said her and Cone were close and Kim saw stuff concerning this case she should have been seen and then she opened her mouth about what she had seem. I think Kim basically said Cone was in her back pocket. Kim considered herself “close to the investigation” which she should have never been. So I do think Cone probably told Cobra things too. Maybe that’s the real reason she’s off the investigation.
This entire investigation has been interferred with since day 1. The media ppl and the followers (many of them bloggers) provided a market to the media to continually suspect and incriminate Misty. This was good for LE. Most media ppl who claimed they wanted to get to the bottom of it, used Misty as way to attract readers/members alike which is exactly how LE didnt have to be accountable. Everyone blamed Misty, which provided the ” explanation” LE had for not solving/working the case in the proper direction.
The exploitation of the players was/is horrendous and unforgivable.
Even when LE got a confession form a known criminal/liar like Tommy Croslin, of being at the crime scene that night, no one in the media hardly even acknowledged this. Why? It would take their most commonly used subject (Misty) out of the lime light where their ratings may drop because of the focus being taken off her, where sensationalism cudnt be applied. Why didnt we recognize this on our own? Why didnt we question why that very confession wasnt headluine news. Any article may have mentioned it, yet we accepted that, and continued to rant about Misty.
I am personaly appalled at how so many ppl, cud be so quick to convict a young girl, who most likley told LE everything she knew and the truth. There was nothing to suggest she lied. I hope many ppl have reseacred LDT’s and their unreliablility.
I have seen the term “beyond a reasonable doubt” be shattered and busted. There was next to no evidence suggesting Misty had anything to do with it, yet the stories of her behavior, prior to, and after the crime were written for the sole purpose of money. Not for Haleigh’s safe return.
Of course, I am sure these ppl I refer to wanted that, yet, it was not their driving force. It was selfish and unethical, and defintely wrong. We the ppl, allowed this to happen. We did not open our eyes and weigh out the possibility that the truth had already been told. We looked forward to more articles, to continue to dissect and ruin many of the victims lives.
Now that many repercussions are being felt by so many who interferred with any kind of investigaion, they look for sympathy.
Everyone deserves a second chance and forgiveness, but I know that until responsibility it taken, and there is no apology, these motives will continue to be the driving force. There will be no desire to change.
There are many lessons we can learn from this sad case, that will hopefully be solved, so to not get involved in such a destructive way, for our own selfserving need for drama, entertainment and excitement.
This very same problem took place in the Amanda Knox trial and look at what happened to her. We the ppl, need to up our standards and expectations from the media and stop buying into sensationalism. There is no room for sensationalism in any crime story. Never will be. These are real ppl who in many cases like these 2, are victims. The jury of public opinion carry’s weight. The truth gets hidden, and lost amongst all the sensationalism, where a persons life is at stake.
I have no empathy or uunderstanding for any media ppl or wannabees who aided in this case and turned it into a circus.
I can only hope we the public, can reevaluate our own interests, and motives, into why we fed on the senationaism (and still continue to do so) in this case and been a party to it. If we can recognize the danger and destruction, we should be able to prevent it from happening to another potential victim. Lets face it, there werent any really good reasons to accuse Misty of lying, as there was no evidence suggesting she lied. We need to be fair to each other, and consider what we think is reasonable doubt. Maybe we have to be more open minded and able to see that every person who in the media where a crime has been committed, arent always the perp. Media and prosecutors arent always right.
Fed Up- What an awesome post.
Fed Up with the Misty “Fest” said,
in December 14th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
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Fed up-this is the first thing I have seen on this site that makes sense. You hit the nail on the head.
Well, I’ll be honest, I don’t understand what FedUp is saying. If anyone can explain it to me in simple, straightforward language I’d appreciate it.
In relation to the way the media reports on cases which (I guess) is a reflection of what they think we want to know (or are capable of understanding), here’s a recent example …
Last Friday there was a very very important hearing in the Caylee Anthony case. Several critical, intereting motions were heard by the judge including (1) the defense asking that their meetings with monster NOT be recorded (standard jail policy) and (2) why the death penalty should not be an option.
Those arguments were very very meaty and key to the case yet virtually ALL (4) of the local news org websites reported on that hearing with a headline like “Casey cries at hearing.”
That’s it. That’s what they thought was MOST important, that we needed to know, summed up in their moronic headline. The media thinks the public is stupid. Unfortunately they are proven right all too often.
gd aftrn m2c♥ and hangnon,
last night i kept trying to read everyones ones posts but, i was way to tired to see straight and understand what i was reading. i came across the peggy cone line above at 8:45 a.m. and 8:57. (“…saying that Peggy is the abductor? and then the straight answer “I in no way SAID P Cone was the abductor, let’s get the clear right now.” i just started laughing. now i know it is a serious subject, but when that is all that is coming through to your brain it is really funny. (or maybe i am just a goof?!)
seriously though, i appreciate you both are good debaters and lend so much to this blog.
i hope all of our prayers are answered soon and haleigh is home with her family. everyone have a great day. ms. p.
ms peridot, you are a good sport! Thank you for taking all that with a sense of humor!
And you are right. One of the good things about the bloggers here is our ability to debate issues. Sometimes we still end up having to agree to disagree. But I know I’ve often learned something from it or gotten a new idea or new perspective on things.
I can see where m2c is coming from. Perhaps LE does want the info concerning the tips kept confidential for some reason if any, but only LE knows.
TH refers to Misty has a red herring. I personally do not think Misty hurt Haleigh herself. I do believe she loves children. What concerns me is that Misty admitted that she had inconsistencies in her story that she told LE and on the Today Show Misty gave an answer of “I don’t know why” in which she did look to Ron for answers.Misty now says she has not changed her story just the words. We all saw Misty in the Greta clip where she stated Haleigh being 4inches and Ron corrects her to 4 feet. Mistys first initial statement to LE was both children were in the bed with her and she got up to get a drink. Why did Misty change this statement? Misty would have more than likely been in between Haleigh and jr. if she came to bed after them and she would have had to climb over Haleigh in order to get out of bed. Therefore she would have known right away Haleigh was not there. It would have made more sense that Misty went into the kitchen and found the light on and the door propped open if she had got up to get a drink. IF Haleigh was in fact in the bed with Misty and jr why is she telling a false story. Misty changed her complete story from her initial statement that appears to be truthful to a false one. Who got her to change it? That could only mean that Misty must know something and that is why LE states Misty is the key. Is she afraid or just covering for someone?JMO
Looking,
I can tell you, as someone who knows many teens in that age group, I have seen many who have low self esteem.
Isnt it clear that in that video, and I have seen it a million times, that after Misty is asked that question, she looks at Ron as if she needs his permission to respond?
It seems that mnay ppl have not given the interview any benefit at all, and have chosen to take her reponse as gospel, yet question and weigh out other things she has said.
Why is it this reponse is so easily believed and accepted?
Im assuming you wud agree that by the time she had this afterview, she had already been told by many to stop talking. It seems plausible that their intention of going on the show may have been to explain why they got married and to talk about Haleigh.
Isnt it plausible that when she answered that stupid question, she wasnt allowed to argue, retaliate or even respond? Maybe Ron told her to not get into anything about the subject. There was also someone in the background that yelled dont from behind the scenes. Did you hear that? I am not sure if it was a lawyer for Ron, but you can hear it loud and clear.Dont you think that her reponse that “she doesnt why” she said that is true in hindsight. Dont you think she wishes that she was more articulate now?
Im wondering if you have considered that in Misys position, by now where the world hates her and she is no more assertive in the interview, as when the ordeal took place, that it was easier for her to be submissive, put her head down adnd agree? She clearly looked at Ron too, who we know was the leader in the interview.
The fact remains that she was told by LE that she had an inconsistency by telling 911 of the sleeping arrangment. I think any impartial person looking at the fact that she is young, not very intelligent, lacks assertion, scared, shocked could have actually described the arrangment this way to LE without having lied… Her way of articulation is weak at best. This interview that we are dicussing confirms this.
When she responded to Meredith, she was agreeing that the detail was being considered an inconsistency, so really she wasnt lying.
If she was lying, we wud have known by now, almost a year later. When inconsistencies of details in a crime are told, it doesnt take long for LE to start uncovering the truth. Noon has ever come forward, with any credible evidence that she is a liar and sociopath.
Funny how one cud have the opinion that Misty is somewhat “loving” and feels she loved “haleigh” and children..that says that she wud be a kind person with a heart doesnt it? If this is case, how cud the same natured person carry on for a year without guilt tearing her to shreds where she wud have confessed to any insight in the crime that had been hidden.
It seems many ppl use “selective” principles when assessing Misty. Many dont believe a word she says, and pick everythimg apart, yet selectively believe her when it suits their theory of how she may have been involved.
You say that she changed her entire story and that just isnt true. She did not change her initial story. I will agree that she “clarified” but for someone to not consider giving her the benefit of saying they were sleeping together when there are 2 mattresses on the floor, were only mere inches away, is narrow minded. Her age and maturity level needs to be factored in somewhere.
It is inconsistent of you to say that she loves children, yet cud lie and withold evidence from LE and hurt Haleighs family by doing so. She wud go uts…and wud have said something by now.
Of course LE says she is the key. Dont you think they need some smoke to hide why they havent solved the case, and have not done near enough in their efforts?
LE said Jessica Lunsfords grandmother was the key too, where they crucified her and in the meantime LE was standing 6 feet away from an alive Jessica who was holed up in Coueys closet where LE could have saved her if they didnt think gramma was the key…
Cant we learn from Jessica’s ordeal? There are many like hers… why arent we considering this and only continue to give LE a red herring by using Misty as their scape goat. Respectfully, please read between the lines. Stop accomodating LE….
Futhermore, inconsistencies are rampant in liars stories. Someone like Scott Peterson who told one he was fishing, and another thet he was golfing. Having the yellow pages opened to lawyers. The smell of bleach. A mop and a bucket in the doorway. Stopping contact with Lacey’s loved ones. Having downloaded porn on his computer that evening. Having a girlfriend and concealing that. Not cooperating with LE.
These are inconsistencies….
Casey Anthony, not calling EVER to report her daughter missing, having the smell of decomposition in her car. Lying at to where she dropped Caylee off, saying that Caylee called her at noon from a private number where no record existed. These are all inconsistencies.
As much as I hate admit it, these 2 ciminal thugs are somewhat smart. It should go to show that smart ppl who are arent practised criminals cant even get away with murder.
How cud Misty be a party to this and still remain consistent in her story. She was interrogated for hours and days on end by LE and he FBI.. She surely isnt smart and there is no evidence showing she is a practiced criminal. It really doesnt make any sense to think that she was involved in any way shape or form. There is no evidence supporting the suspicion. Its almost stupid to think that she has been able to conceal lies and inconsistencies a year later.
I am not so much interested in her looking to Ron for permission. I was interested in the fact that she admitted on national television that she was aware that she made those inconsistent statements and she does not know why. Misty admitted that she first said both children were in the bed with her and then changed it. I just went back and listened to the interview again. I do not know what LE is doing, although I do feel it has been way too long to have nothing. I can only hope that LE is doing all they can. I realize there are crooks in LE, but I also know there are honest ones to.
I do not know how she could carry on for almost a year and not fall apart. I guess if you stayed drugged up and live in a fog then you are not living in reality; you are escaping it.
We can compare cases all day long and wonder if LE is doing their jobs, but fact is Misty did in her own words admit she was aware of telling one story then changing it. Misty answered yes she was aware she did that and when asked why Misty said, ” I don’t know “
I guess Pat Brown criminal profilier) said it best ” If only two or three ppl know about it and do not confess then we will never know.
Looking,
You said …
“I am not so much interested in her looking to Ron for permission. I was interested in the fact that she admitted on national television that she was aware that she made those inconsistent statements and she does not know why.”
This is my point exactly. Many choses to use her words verbatim, as gospel in some instances and other times try and dissect amnipulate and read into other staements. There is not much consistency as to how many weigh out what they refer to as “inconsistencies”
I need to ask how anyone can disregard the circumstances of how and why she answered the way she did. This is the only “statement” to LE that was questionable, if you will…
I think more ppl need to be “interested” in the circumstances around this statement. Lets face it, that is a very srong inconsistency even if you want to cal it on. Had she said that Haleigh was in her room and then now says they were in the same room, i wud consider that an inconsistency.
My point is that the very little questionable statements were ever made by Misty. On account of the “evidence” that everything else hasnt changed, where do we draw the line as to what and who we are going to believe.
LE has come right out and said that Misty’s story hasnt changed. They go on to say that its what she isnt saying, that is inconsistant as there was no forced entry. We cant ignore other crimes that have happened like the example i gave. How do we know for sure that wasnt the case?
As far as Pat Browns theory/staement… she is a good example of a media person who’s motives are money. look at what show she is paid by???? NG and that speaks volumes of her intentions. Also, I think Pat Brown assessment of only a few ppl knowing cud actually conceal the secret. It is ridiculous to think that a few ppl cud know anything and have not said anything to anyone else. There is money up for grabs and this circle has been clear in showing that there is no loyalty among any involved.
Lastly, I dont suggest that LE are “corrupt” or intentionally “hiding the truth” …
I dont think they know thwe truth and becasue of their inability to handle and solve such a heinous shocking crime, they resort to becomeing complacent that the world thinks Misty is the key, so they dont feel pressured. I dont think there has been any evidence that this agency knows what they are doing.
How cud they mess up with the landfil so terribly? How cud they get a hit on a dumpster and not investigate as where and when the xcontents were dumped?
I ask you again. Do you honeslty believe that there is no way that Misty has told the entire truth? If you have weighed in everything and looked at this case from the bottom up. I cant see how a person cud not give her the benefit of the doubt and be able to concur that it is entirely possible she has told the entire truth.
Lets just say that the article that TCH has on his website has some truth to it. That LE knows for a fact that Haleigh was definitely in the bed with Misty four inches away and not four feet. That would of made Mistys first initial statement true. Misty also said four inches away in the greta clip. What would make her change the truth? This is my question?
I agree with hangon on questioning it. Do not dismiss it. Any audio or video can be checked if it had been tampered with.
Looking,
The ” 4 inches” Misty offered was probably sarcasim to emphasize the close proximaty of the mattress where they were almost adjoined. I suspect Misty wished she had have been more specific, in her atriculation to 911. Wudda shudda, cudda….
Again, we have to consider age, however I do believe that anyone may have said that or been less descriptive than necessary just to make a long story short. It is hard to know how one would “think” and “relay” facts to 911 or LE in the heat of the moment, especially when Ron in the background was uncontrolable and making matters worse for Misty.
I hope you agree that everyone may have been too quick in crucifying Misty. Hopefully, the lapsed time will not stop the resolve in this case. It was maddening to know that the door wasnt taken for months afterward, which cud suggest that the CSI work was not very effecient. We cant forget the landfill/dumpster issues either. Lets hope this isnt the case.
Just to clarify something in relation to earlier posts.
To be inconsistent means telling the story differently another time. For example, Misty saying she slept 4 inches away from Haleigh and then another time saying she was 4 feet away is inconsistent.
For Peterson to say he was fishing that day and then another time say he was golfing that day – that’s being inconsistent.
What monster Anthony did was lie all day long. She was not inconsistent. She just lied.
There is a difference. If she had been inconsistent it would have been something like “this is where I dropped off Caylee” and then another day saying she dropped her off somewhere else. So monster was not inconsistent. Just plain lying.
When someone is inconsistent what is important is WHY? It could be for any number of reasons. Jumbled up memory, suddenly remembering something, simple confusion or a deliberate lie. The problem is we don’t know why Misty’s story was inconsistent or which parts of it to believe.
M2C, I agree with your definition of inconsistent.
I cant say I wud agree with the example you use of Mistys…
Reason is, that is pretty well the only statement that has really any minute changes… Had she had many different inconsistent ctatements, then of course the stack is a “biiger” concern and flags are appropriatly, raised.
Like Scott P and Casey A. there were stacks and stacks and true “Inconsistent” statements…alibi of fishing, then golfing… big difference…not too mention al the other ones and the circumstantial evidence that was piled high and then sum…
Casey A. ..Sawgrass, then J Blanchard…. big difference of what she said happened.. along with the million other lies…
There isnt any other differences in Mistys story which has stayed the same for a year. We have to inject common sense, and fairness in the equation when summing up many things when assessing if it was a lie.
If you apply some logic in the entire story, you should be able to acknowledge that a 17 yr old girl has to have some slack offered when we are talking about a description of a sleeping arrangment that any grown, intelligent inncocent person may have given..
Do you think Misty can be compared to these 2 in terms of the lies and circumstantial evidence as well as physicla and forensic?
FedUp – Look up the definition of inconsistent. The example I gave of her changing the part of her story from 4″ inches away from Haleigh to 4 feet is inconsistent. One time she told the story one way. Another time she told it another way. That’s inconsistent.
I also used the example of Monster lying that first day and I was thinking mostly about “going to work” where she worked etc. Those lies. So yes, later monster changed her story from Sawgrass to JBlanchard Park (that’s an inconsistency). I know that. I meant the other outright lies she told.
I was just giving examples to show what “inconsistent” means. I was not drawing conclusions about the full extent of anyone’s statements nor was I comparing cases.
I also said that a number of things have to be considered about whether something is a lie or just not remembered correctly and if it is a lie, then why?
I have never made any allegations about what Misty has said or done. And I do not have to give her any slack because I have never denied it to her. You’re arguing with a shadow. Not me. Please discuss this with someone who’s interested in discussing it with you.
In case you still don’t understand, I was giving an example of ONE inconsistent statement in Misty’s story. NOT counting them or comparing their quantity or quality to any other person’s inconsistencies or lies.
Fed up the door was taken the day when they were searching hwy 17. I believe this was when Ron and Misty were heading on their honeymoon to NewYork. It was approximately 5 weeks. I do believe they should have taken it from the start. That is on LE.
Misty never mentioned feet nor inches in her 911 call. All she stated was that they were sleeping. Misty did not state the sleeping arrangements.
In all honesty we only know few inconsistent statements that Misty stated. We do not know what LE knows.
I cannot believe you feel that Misty, just because she was 17 at the time cannot tell the difference between 4″ and 4ft.
I personally am not against Misty. I would like to know why would Misty change an honest statement to a false statement and stick to it if there is any truth to TH website article.
m2c, I think you know what point I am trying to make. It is really bugging me. What are your thoughts please? I know what you think of TH. I do not know too much about him. I do find the statement in his article intriguing. That LE knows for a fact that Haleigh was only 4″ not 4ft. I think it bugs me so much because that was Mistys first initial statement to LE. What this is telling me is Misty was not lying about their sleeping arrangements. What would make someone change their honest answer to a false one? Why bring this kind of heat on yourself?
m2c,
As usual, you have it all wrong…I agreed with your definitions of “inconsistent” I dont need to look it up… In the post I wrote, I agreed that under the definition, of Mistys articulation, of the sleeping arrangements, along with the definition, there should be degrees of undersatanding/acceptance and gave examples of serious inconsistencies, of criminals where there are many reasons to question their innocense. The inconsistency of Mistys leaves room for belief.
I considered you to be the voice of a person, not a shadow, as you refer to yourself as. I was being courteous, in acknowledging your existence and concerns. If you dont want to be addressed and replied to, why post? This is an open forum isnt it? Are you the authority figure here? Why can you go addressing whoever you like, and then whine when someoe addresses you. If this is your site, why is it open? Why do you ask for ppls input in a comment field if you dont want to hear their input?
This isnt the first time I have endured your rude replies. Is it a habit of yours to personally attack ppl, who bring more insight to the issue at hand? It cant be good for your site.
Fed up I really do not believe m2c was trying to be rude to you. I think she felt you may have seemed argumentative and let you know you were arguing with yourself; not her. I think you misunderstood her. My guess is that she will clarify for you though herself.
Am I missing something? I am seeing the same discussions I read about 9 months ago. Can someone let me know if there is anything new on this case, or is really a cold case?
looking for justice said,in December 17th,2009 at 12:19 am
Fed up, I really do not believe m2c was trying to be rude to you. I think she felt you may have seemed argumentative and let you know you were arguing with yourself; not her. I think you misunderstood her. My guess is that she will clarify for you though herself.
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Thanks Lawshrink…
You may be right. I ignore it mostly. Funny thing, m2c was the one who enetered the discussion, yet doesnt want replies?? I dont get it….double standards… This seems par for the course with m2c, its not new…..
Okay, once again, FedUp, you seem to have made assumptions about my thoughts on things (like Misty) and take me to task or challenge me on issues you don’t even know that I have issues with. In fact I often find the way you word your posts very similar to the old “have you stopped beating your wife yet?” question – when asked of someone who never beat their wife. It puts the person you are asking the question of in the wrong from the get go.
So “looking for justice” was correct. I was trying to tell you that you are arguing with yourself.
The only reason I jumped into the conversation was to clarify the word inconsistency which I have seen misused a lot. That is all I wanted to say.
I have not made any assumptions or decisions about Misty’s story so yes, FedUp, I resented your words and your tone when you responded with
(1)”If you apply some logic in the entire story,” (as if I haven’t?)
(2) “you should be able to acknowledge” (like I am not able or willing?)
(3) “that a 17 yr old girl has to have some slack offered”
(4) Like I haven’t? I’ve done something horribly mean to her? (I have never discussed that with anyone).
And (5)
You asked, “Do you think Misty can be compared to these 2 in terms of the lies and circumstantial evidence as well as physicla and forensic?” (I have never seen Misty compared to them. I think it’s irrelevant. I’ve never seen anyone compare the cases OTHER than for the sake of pointing out the meaning of the word inconsistent. Again not worth discussing.)
looking for justice @ 11:57
To be honest, I am not sure what difference it makes whether Misty was sleeping 4″ or 4 feet away from Haleigh. Haleigh could have been taken (quietly) either way. Or she could have been awake and gone out into the hall and seen someone (and still been pretty quiet).
Also, people move in the night. And when they wake up they don’t always remember the exact position they went to sleep in or where the other person was.
TH claims that “only the abductor would know this” and implies that LE must know who it is.
But how can that be when Misty made these statements herself in public? To me it’s utterly ridiculous. Another mountain out of a molehill. Another conclusion without sufficient info or facts to back it up. That is TH’s MO IMO.
And, FedUp, the ONLY topic I addressed was the definition of the word inconsistent using one thing as an example of that definition (Misty said 4″ one time and 4 feet another time). In one response (@ 7:54) you disagreed with it and in another comment ( @12:07) you agreed with it.
And then you go on to extend the discussion (lecture?) to “there should be degrees of undersatanding/acceptance and serious inconsistencies” etc. That is a whole other topic and was not something I wanted to discuss or was even thinkinga about. I do not have to respond to every question or comment here. If somebody else wanted to they could but I wasn’t interested.
FedUp, what is par for the course are your constant attacks on me and false accusations.
Your posts leave people thinking that I believe or said something that I NEVER DID!
It is an insidious way of lying, misreprenting and harrassing me.
This is the way you blog with me:
1) Another blogger says, “I hung my stocking on the fireplace today.”
1) I respond to that person saying, “I can’t wait to see what Santa puts in my stocking.”
2) Then you say, “So, m2c, why do you think Santa should put coal in Misty’s stocking?”
If other bloggers don’t remember the initial discussion, then you have left them with the idea that I think Santa should put coal in Misty’s stocking.
It is INSANE. It is SICK! You are lying, misrepresenting and harrassing me. Please do not address me or any of my posts ever again and DO NOT assume you know what I think when blogging with anyone else. Do not even mention my name. Something is very very wrong with you and/or you have a real need to attack me. Stop it right now.
Thanks m2c for your reply.
M2C,
Based on your response …
“The only reason I jumped into the conversation was to clarify the word inconsistency which I have seen misused a lot. That is all I wanted to say.”
Again, this is an example of your double standards.
You seem to have an excuse, and justify as to why you did the same thing, you are slamming me about.
Should all bloggers have been “resentful” (as you so put it) by you defining what an “inconsistency” is? Wouldnt you think that the average person on this blog knows what the word means. Were you slighting ppl? Why was ok for you to address me, yet dont like when I address you?
You are throwing stones at glass houses and have from the first day I blogged here. Im not your only victim either.
Your arrogant tone, and words are noted. You clearly dont like my posts and continuously, insult and comment on what I say.
Maybe you should take your own medicine and see if you notice any improvements on how you are responded too…..
If you need examples of all your unkind words to myself and several others, I will post them for you. I can refer you to the first response you gave me (unasked for) in the first post I ever did in this forum a few months ago. It hasnt let up.
Whoa, I just listened the radio show and it broke my heart. Cobra, please stop and take a much deserved break. Get in touch with you kids and talk to them and be with them. Gather around you your loved ones. Don’t let your break up with your partner become another barrier to push you further from your children. Gather them to you because they will heal your pain.
FedUp – I asked you not to address me EVER AGAIN. I will not address you EVER AGAIN.
The End.
m2c,
You continue to dictate to ppl here. Why?
If you dont like something, move on… I have seen someone ask you this…Who made you God?
I dont submit to your childish whims…
I am simply asking that you not address me directly anymore and telling you that I will not respond to you. The first is a request, the latter is a fact. How that is playing God I do not know. But that’s a good example of WHY I feel the way I do about you.
If you want to keep addressing me, fine. I will just ignore it. You can waste all the time you want.
M2c,
This is a forum, that is a silly request..I will take my chances. Seems you always find a way to reply to me… that is what started this…rememeber? (glass houses)
Cobra I have no sympathy for you IMO you power tripped and attempted to promote yourself at the expense of this child IMO you have earned everything coming your way. Marrying someone who has two arms two legs is not the issue. Marrying someone who is in the species that stand up-right is important, with that said we now know why you did not get married.
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