We just received this from TJ Hart – Jan BarrettÂ
Staff Reports
Media Release
February 9, 2010
As many of you know, February 10, 2010 marks the one year anniversary of Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance from her home in Satsuma, Florida. Sheriff Hardy understands the public’s interest in this investigation, and everyone’s desire for the return of Haleigh to her family. Sheriff’ Hardy has asked that the following information be released to the public in an effort to provide insight into the investigative efforts being taken to bring this case to a logical conclusion.
The disappearance of Haleigh Cummings is still being considered an “active†investigation, and a team of detectives are currently assigned to this case. Investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and investigators from agencies throughout the country have invested thousands of man-hours into this investigation thus far.
Here are some of the facts:
* We have received 5,768 leads, all of which have been followed up on by investigators.
* Approximately 600 of the leads received have come from psychics or individuals claiming to have special abilities. All of these leads have been reviewed by investigators, and leads containing specific information that can be verified have been followed up on.
* The majority of the leads received are suggestions or opinions from citizens stating who they believe is responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance, and/or how the investigation should be conducted. These types of leads are reviewed by the investigative team, but many of these require little or no follow up investigation.
* We have conducted formal interviews with 76 different individuals who were identified as having possible information in the Haleigh investigation. DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case.
* 218 separate interviews have been either audio or video recorded by investigators.
* When situations have dictated, investigators have traveled out of state to conduct these interviews.
* We have received 644 reported Haleigh sightings from various cities and locations throughout the United States. Investigators have either personally determined that these were false sightings, or asked for assistance from local law enforcement agencies where the alleged sightings took place to follow up on the information. To date, none of the reported sightings have been determined to be credible.
* FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (i.e. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.
* We have searched thousands of acres, including all property south of Highway 17 near the Cummings residence.
* We have had numerous underwater recovery and search teams search all of the water near the area of the disappearance.
* Aviation assets have conducted several airborne searches.
* K9 assets have searched the area on several occasions.
* Volunteer civilian searchers on foot and horseback searched the wooded areas near the residence.
As previously released, it is very unlikely that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings. There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. Investigators still believe that Misty Croslin holds important answers in this case. She still refuses to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities. Investigators ask that anyone with direct knowledge of Misty’s activities during that evening of February 9, 2009, or into the early morning of February 10, 2009, is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. Information may be submitted by calling Northeast Crime Stoppers at (888) 277-TIPS (8477), or e-mailing the information to haleigh@putnamsheriff.org
The recent arrests of Misty Croslin, Ronald Cummings, Hank Thomas Croslin Jr., Hope Sykes, and Donna Brock, on drug trafficking charges have caused some media outlets to question the intentions behind these arrests. Sheriff Hardy wants to assure the public that these narcotic cases were not a result of the Haleigh investigation. Independent information was received by narcotics detectives that these individuals were unlawfully selling prescription medications. The State Attorney’s Office was consulted at the onset of the narcotics investigation, and it was recommended that the missing person case and the narcotics cases remain totally separate to avoid legal conflicts in both cases. The Haleigh investigative team was not made aware of the narcotics cases until January 20, 2010, just prior to all five individuals being arrested.
Investigators assigned to Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance have interviewed these five (5) individuals in the past, some on multiple occasions. However, investigators will take advantage of every opportunity given to speak with any individual who possibly holds information regarding Haleigh’s disappearance.
Sheriff Hardy realizes the importance of keeping Haleigh in the spotlight and the public involved in this case. He appreciates all of the leads and tips that have been provided, and wants to assure everyone that each lead and tip is acted on by investigators. Sheriff Hardy wants to reassure the public, but mainly Haleigh’s family, that we will continue to aggressively pursue this case until Haleigh is found.
Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood
Putnam County Sheriff’s Office
TJ Hart
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackThank you Simon, Jan and TJ for this update. Thank you LE. Please find out who the monsters are that has hurt this precious baby. May God bless her and the rest of Haleighs family.
So, bascially LE has NOTHING. One year later they’ve got fingerprints / DNA but no matches, have searched land, air and everything in between and have found nothing, endless interviews, etc., and still all they can say is that Misty is the key. UNFORTUNATELY, Misty is about 3 french fries shy of a happy meal and is operating on one crippled, drug damaged brain cell! SO, we may NEVER find this baby! UGH!
So was the shack thoroughly investigated, Officer says, he went in and it was empty. Did they send forensics?
. Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings.
TO ME THIS IS A VERY TELLING SENTENCE. JMO
Is this the first time we have seen the words “foul play” by someone known by Misty and/or Ronald Cummings in relation to HaLeigh’s disappearance?
Tobias, lol, I was a close second behind you on that statement! I totally AGREE!
Does this statement also rule out the speculation about the maternal side of the family being involved?
“Foul play” isn’t sounding too good, but not surprising. Sad
That is why they were still together in my opinion they know who it may be but they are afraid of this person or people. jmo
Tobias I also agree. This is so sad.
FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (i.e. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.
JB said,
This confirms what I have been saying this for months, and I was always met by “LE have SOMETHING”, I have always said—they have NOTHING that will help find Haliegh.
I notice that in all their nothingness they can STILL hang on to “Misty holds the key”. Perhaps she is not “refusing to tell” but CANT tell. If that is the case…this case will NEVER be solved.
I think everyone is missing the BIG picture here. There WAS DNA evidence collected at the scene. NONE of it points to an intruder/stranger nor ANYONE who would not have a valid reason to be in the home. TC does have a valid reason, Misty does, OF course Ron does and just a small handfully of others. Does NOT include any Sheffields…..A stranger or someone who does not have reason for their DNA to be found there. This baby left that house WITH someone she knew and alive or she left deceased. Who would take her and keep her this long? Crystal? Could they really pull it off? With the WHOLE country looking for Haleigh and a lot of people looking at them? SOme are going to be really surprised & hurt when the truth finally does come out, JMO
I dont really see either of them saying anything unless they get a really good deal.
They have moved on with their lives and figure why get myself killed when it wont change what happened to Haleigh. But thats just how I see it.
So, if Ron and Misty know who it is but aren’t talking then A) they know Haleigh is already dead and telling on this person won’t save her OR B) they are more concerned with their own safety and could care less what happens to Haleigh…..
Neither scenario is very appealing to me and makes me want to snatch both of these losers BALD!
She KNOWS…why else is TC willing to talk? Why else would Misty even be thinking of “talking” for privledges or easier sentence? SHE FREAKIN KNOWS!!!
foul play
illegal activity; bad practices.
foul play
n.
Unfair or treacherous action, especially when involving violence.
If Haleigh has met with foul play…it happened INSIDE the home or WITHIN Misty’s care. There is NO stranger or Big Bad Guy other than those who LIVED there.
Hollysgmom,
What IS the truth?
Am I reading this right that there is DNA that does not match anyone so far? JMO
If Haleigh has met with foul play…it happened INSIDE the home or WITHIN Misty’s care. There is NO stranger or Big Bad Guy other than those who LIVED there.
Well yes, she was KIDNAPPED from inside the home. Kidnapped = foul play. Why are we questioning what “foul play” means?
BTW—David WEsterfield left NO DNA/Fingerprints/evidence inside the home of Danielle Van Dam when he kidnapped her from her upstairs bedroom. He was convicted based on evidence found in HIS home and on HIS clothes.
I think ruling out stranger abduction is premature.
Tobias…that is how I took it but then they go on to say they don’t believe it is a stranger abduction which contradicts that so I’m lost. If they have fingerprints or DNA that they haven’t found a match for, how can they rule out a stranger abduction….especially if they believe Misty was gone for awhile and left the children home alone….plus Jr’s statement about a man in black…I don’t know what to think. It is just a big fat mess and we’re not ONE step closer to knowing the truth than we were a year ago!
So, did Ronald really pass his LDT like some here have tried to claim?
foul play
–noun 1. any treacherous or unfair dealing, esp. involving murder: We feared that he had met with foul play.
2. unfair conduct in a game.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/foul%20play
Bonanza – so why is LE so quick to say they do not believe this is a stranger abduction…unless they know something they aren’t sharing with John Q. Public!?
I’m not really sure about the DNA/fingerprint statement above, but could it mean that the only DNA/fingerprints collected belonged to the people who they knew were in the MH on the day HaLeigh went missing? The people who they already knew were either living there or knew they came by there?
Buddy – can’t confirm that FOR SURE one way or another but it seems I do remember LE confirming he passed…..but I’ve slept once or twice since then. SORRY.
LE have said, Ron is not a suspect–read it on CNN. My common sense says he passed.
Keepitreal – I thought it said they had fingerprints / DNA that they had no matches for….going back to read it again!
“Someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings” reflects LE’s stubborn adherance to “no forced entry” IMO. Unfortunately, Misty and Ron know a whole lot of people including the Sheffields/Griffis so I don’t see any reason to rule out anyone yet.
As far as the use of the term “foul play” we’d have to ask Hardy what he means by it but to me it does not exclude kidnapping. That’s “foul play,” too. LE is certainly not announcing any evidence to prove that Haleigh is deceased.
As several said earlier, LE is nowhere.
I hope if T or M (or anyone) knows anything, they’ll talk but it really will take a sweet deal to make them do it.
Clarify the the lack of detailed info. Explain what is needed in what time frame this eliminating bogus tips and wasted hours. I think Putnam LE is under some sort of perception that because they say something that people are just going to take it as gospel and truth. Wake up call to LE the world does not work that way. What is you want during what time frame and why have you come to this conclusion? Their word is not enough they need to offer more explain just how the person/persons will be protected. How is LE going to keep the inner stories of their family from ripping across Nancy Grace? We have heard repeatedly what they have done now explain what will be done for anyone who does come forward.
misty did it duh of course her dna is in the house that’s perfect
* FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (i.e. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.
If all of it has been examined and/or processed but “NONE OF IT HAS IDENTIFIED ANY SUSPECT” then I have to wonder if they have prints/dna that doesn’t match anyone known to date. That to me would point to the possibility of a stranger abduction but I could just be reading the statement wrong.
Buddy, I am trying to find articles about the press conference LE held after giving LDTs. LE said that the biological parents were not suspects (at this time) but that Misty had inconsistencies etc. So that’s basically where we got the idea that R and C had “passed” the LDT (if my memory serves me correctly).
M2C – that is what I remember too.
* We have conducted formal interviews with 76 different individuals who were identified as having possible information in the Haleigh investigation. DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case”
They have collected DNA from the scene. Up tp 76 different people interviewed and cataloged for DNA profiles.
* FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (i.e. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be
It all points to people INSIDE the home….
“As previously released, it is very unlikely that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings.
Someone KNOWN to Misty and/or Ronald!!! They have more info than they’ve given LE…that makes them look guilty….Just how much criminal activity does he have to do to get people to see he’s pretty much capable of anything. WHy is he given every opportunity & defense?
I think the person or people are known to Ron and /OR Misty but not to anyone else that is why there has not been a match for the DNA or Finger prints, Also its not a felon because the data base has everyone of those on file. jmo
Also not a relative because DNA is a funny thing it would show if it was a relative. jmo
JB, I have seen where Ron said he and Misty passed.. Also, “Ms. Nancy” said Ron passed, but I think she got that info from Ron.. A few here yesterday could not post a link where LE or anyone credible confirmed Ron passed, but they insist he passed or “past” based on their gut feeling and that Ron has been “cleared” by LE, and that is enough proof for them and anyone who questions it.. LOL
Hollys – hey, Ron doesn’t win any awards from me except BIGGEST LOSER. I just want to discuss all the facts and see if the facts, as we know them, can lead us to Haleigh. Believe me, I’m not sure I’d pee on Ron or Misty if they were on fire! BUT, they may not be guilty of Haleigh’s disappearance…or at least not DIRECTLY guilty. However, their lifestyles certainly contributed, IMHO!
Buddy – I’m thinking I heard it on a news channel at the beginning of the case…like CNN but I can’t confirm that. I too would like confirmation FROM LE that Ron passed (or past) LOL.
Keep it real That is the way I took it.
What redeemable thing about him has so many convinced that “He’d never hurt Haleigh”? Huh? Just becuase he got custody doesn’t mean he is a great guy. We expect for men to stand up to their obligations, especially if the Mother isn’t. Why is given such a “Grace” for doing what ALL men should do?
Once again, WHAT REDEEMABLE feature does he even have???
Gotta go all – talk to you tomorrow! KEEP UP THE GOOD DETECTIVE WORK!
What I think is that PCSO has to hand this investigation over to a new crew. We all know that Misty, Ronald & Tommy and their friends and family are the opposite of smart. If LE hasn’t been able to get the evidence on this group in a year, and if one or all of them are involved, there is something seriously wrong here. They don’t even appear to have enough evidence on them to obtain listening device or telephone intercept or search warrants, yet they seem so sure.
The fact that an illiterate 17 year old won’t tell them the “truth” of what happened is no excuse for them not progressing in this case. We can’t expect all perps to confess, they simply don’t, and that’s why we have LE…to INVESTIGATE…not just throw out allegations.
Please, someone get a new LE team down there to look at this case. Poor Haleigh.
Quote from above:
As previously released, it is very unlikely that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger.
Holly, I still have the feeling that this is related to drugs and/or money. Everything so far has been about that too. I just hope if they did take her for owed money that they sold her to someone out of the country for adoption and not some other way to get the money owed.jmo
bonanzajellybean said,in February 9th, 2010 at 5:50 pm LE have said, Ron is not a suspect–read it on CNN. My common sense says he passed.
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They also said Misty is not a suspect, their is no “named” suspect at this time..
They also said they could not rule anyone out and everyone is a suspect.
people dont talk if they know they will be dead. And all these people in jail are only worried about themselves. So it only proves they care only about their own safety and plan on staying alive even if it means jail. jmo
HGm @ 5:40 “If Haleigh has met with foul play…it happened INSIDE the home or WITHIN Misty’s care. There is NO stranger or Big Bad Guy other than those who LIVED there.”
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I don’t see how you get that from the article.
– If Haleigh met with foul play – what is it
that shows it happened inside? That’s reading a whole lot into the article that is not there.
Haleigh could have been taken out of the MH.
– IF LE did do a thorough collection of evidence and DNA they’d have to have found plenty of it from everyone who’s been in the MH – not just those who lived there.
Buddy, that’s right. LE had not and has not ruled out anyone. They said that. However you were asking why people thought R had passed the poly. And I tried to explain that in my post @ 5:55. I believe they ended that press conference saying “However no one is ruled out” or something to that effect.
It was on August 16th I believe when PCSO held a press conference stating that the bio parents were not suspects. This is when they had Haleighs birthday celebration and the school supply drive. They did not completely rule anyone out. Putnam county has not released the ldt test on anyone.
LE are known for their “double” talk. I can’t understand why Ron pretty much accepted
“She still refuses to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance”.
Well.. seems like PCSO has put out the deal breaker..
“Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings.”
Now, notice they aren’t just talking about friends of associates here, this statement covers a vast area.. If this is the direction of the investigation, and arrest will be made.. you can bet your life on that one.. there is another phrase that can be lead into this..
“corpus delicti”… If this is turning into a foul play investigation.. I’m sure people better start thinking, and better start talking.
If there is any chance that Haleigh is alive and well.. She needs to appear real darn fast!!!
Thats not a warning, thats a promise..
People better wake up and realize, spend alot less time in Prison for abduction, and conspiracy in the abduction, then they do on a murder charge…. thats bottom line..
Could someone be prosecuted for Murder in the Haleigh gone Missing case, without a body being found… corpus delicti.. And the crazy thing about it.. Haleigh might be alive and well the entire time.. But people are too stubborn, greedy, hardheaded.. Its been a year.. Time is up!!!
BACent, Because he knows she was there or he knows who was there and knows if they talk they are as good as dead. He plays the big bad guy but underneath he knows he screwed with the wrong people and he cant do a darned thing about it. jmo
Buddy,
I read NOTHING on CNN or any other news source that states LE said Misty is NOT a suspect. CNN does state that Ron is NOT considered a suspect, POLICE say.
Tobias, for the longest I could not understand what you meant by Ba, I was racking my brain…I saw it as Baaa(sheep)…. WOW… Heeee Heeee
Latin, The body of the crime.] The foundation or material substance of a crime.
The phrase corpus delicti might be used to mean the physical object upon which the crime was committed, such as a dead body or the charred remains of a house, or it might signify the act itself, that is, the murder or arson.
The corpus delicti is also used to describe the evidence that proves that a crime has been committed.
http://www.answers.com/topic/corpus-delicti
Buddy,
LE keeps stating “Misty holds the key”. How can she possibly hold the key if she is NOT a suspect? If she knows ANYTHING about what happened to Haliegh, and said nothing. she is INVOLVED, and a SUSPECT even if she did nothing to physically harm her. The law would call her an ACCOMPLICE.
The noun has one meaning:
Meaning #1: the body of evidence that constitute the offence; the objective proof that a crime has been committed (sometimes mistakenly thought to refer to the body of a homicide victim)
Okay, tobias, so you are saying that some big bad drug dude came in and took Haleigh? So would that be someone whose DNA was already in the MH? Someone they know? Or who somehow was able to do that without leaving any DNA or other evidence? I’m very confused as to how this theory would have occurred.
Corpus Delicti is one of the most important concepts in a murder investigation. For example, when a person disappears and is unable to be contacted, many police agencies initiate a missing person case. If, during the course of the investigation of this missing person, the investigating detectives believe that he/she has been murdered by another individual, then, a “body” or all collected evidentiary items to include physical, demonstrative, and testimonial evidence, must be obtained that establishes that the missing individual has indeed been murdered before a suspect can be charged with homicide[1]. The best and easiest evidence establishment in these cases is the physical body of the deceased. However, in the event that a physical body is not obviously present or has not yet been discovered, it is possible to prove a suspect’s guilt if enough circumstantial evidence is presented which is able to prove said guilt beyond a reasonable doubt[2].
Buddy said,in February 9th, 2010 at 5:47 pm So, did Ronald really pass his LDT like some here have tried to claim?
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Buddy yes he did.One Day soon you will say well Anne told the truth. I want say no more about the LDT.
Where it states evidence was obtained along with information that must have been credible and able to corroborate what they found had to have been found at the home. I know they can’t tell us everything. It seems to me anyways that the foul play occured within the home by someone Haleigh knew. I could be wrong, but that is how I took it.
DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case.
No where does it say that this DNA matches any friends KNOWN. It in my opinion is DNA that has not matched up with anyone that is known. jmo
“However, in the event that a physical body is not obviously present or has not yet been discovered, it is possible to prove a suspect’s guilt if enough circumstantial evidence is presented which is able to prove said guilt beyond a reasonable doubt”
The fact that NO ONE has actually, verifiably seen her in almost a year is enough for me….
“The fact that NO ONE has actually, verifiably seen her in almost a year is enough for me….”
I agree.
I have been saying that LE needs to open a homicide.
Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE…..
Holly, Sadly it is different when it is a child. An older person would have a trail of money or credit card statements etc. but a child is hard to prove dead. TJ made the statement about it on the show. Now if there were blood evidence it could work but I dont see that here. jmo
“What I think is that PCSO has to hand this investigation over to a new crew. We all know that Misty, Ronald & Tommy and their friends and family are the opposite of smart. If LE hasn’t been able to get the evidence on this group in a year, and if one or all of them are involved, there is something seriously wrong here. They don’t even appear to have enough evidence on them to obtain listening device or telephone intercept or search warrants, yet they seem so sure.
The fact that an illiterate 17 year old won’t tell them the “truth” of what happened is no excuse for them not progressing in this case. We can’t expect all perps to confess, they simply don’t, and that’s why we have LE…to INVESTIGATE…not just throw out allegations.
Please, someone get a new LE team down there to look at this case. Poor Haleigh.”
I have been saying this for months. LE SCREWED UP BIG TIME.
Like wet shoes or perhaps dirty bottoms on her pants who knows.
BJB, Its not just LE its the FBI and FDLE also
so there are others involved in solving this. jmo
“All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.”
Could mean 2 differnt things
1) DNA/Fingerprints that doesn’t belong to household members was found but unknown to LE
(Wouldn’t that make a non-stranger abduction very LIKELY not un-likely?)
2) All of the evidence collected does NOT show anyone outside of home as suspect/abductor. It does not indentify a suspect or and additional LEADS to one. Focus turns back onto household members.
Hollys, that’s the way I’m reading it also. Thanks!!!!
HGM, I wonder if the skin cells on the cinder block matched someone in the home like Misty or RON. bOTH STATED THEY DIDNT EVEN KNOW THERE WERE ANY CINDER BLOCKS IN THE YARD. JMO
Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE…..
Misty was HIGH ON DRUGS FOR 3 DAYS prior—doing MASSIVE amounts of memory altering drugs. Why do people ignore that, and act like she should be like us that night….clear headed and give an accurate account of events? She was NOT clear headed. She was far from it. Her mind must have been on hold that night. I am not surprised her accounts are sketchy. She gives accounts of events that are NOT verifiable. Her accounts contradict the physical evidence. WHy? She may simply be doing what OTHER drug and alchol addicts do—they fill in missing time themselves. They dont remember events, but they ASSUME they did certain activities. Or was she simply not there in the MH? Another possiblity. If either of these events are true, Misty is NOT the key.
lIKE THE CINDER BLOCK THAT MAY HAVE HER DNA ALL OVER IT?
The State Attorney’s Office was consulted at the onset of the narcotics investigation, and it was recommended that the missing person case and the narcotics cases remain totally separate to avoid legal conflicts in both cases.
***I think they’re are linked***
sHE JUST HAPPENS TO BE A WAKE AT THE MOST OPPORTUNE TIME WHEN rON COMES HOME. JMO
b.a.Cent, I do too.
I also beleive the dogs were really tracking Mistys movements. jmo
tobias said,in February 9th, 2010 at 6:51 pm lIKE THE CINDER BLOCK THAT MAY HAVE HER DNA ALL OVER IT?
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IF that is the case, that would certainly make Misty the “key”..
Seems to me now that we know of the drug activity she sure does walk on buffalow rd. alot. jmo
Good point Tobias. FBI, FDLE involved as well. But that begs the question: How can an illiterate 17 year old on drugs break all these professionals down to the point where they are crying about doctors telling them they are physically exhausted, spending 10000 man hours, and still nothing on Misty? Their montrae—besides “Misty holds the key” is “Misty wont talk—not our fault we have nothing”. I AM holding them responsible for solving this case. I am NOT going to blame Misty.
If Mistys was tied to the cider block, she would be arrested.
BJB for what? Touching a cinder block? Not enough evidence on its own to do anything. jmo
Yes, if it is the block at the scene. Besides, she said early on that she was not even AWARE of the cider blocks. So if her DNA is on it, all the more reason to arrest.
And then what? She confesses? Not a reality.
Its just one of the points taken as not matching events of the evening. But its just a guess anyways.
IMHO they are asking to much and not offering enough. IMHO if there is anyone I think it is likely a spouse or some significant relationship that has information. In coming forward they/or what ever faces those who will immediately blame them. What if their not perfect or family isn’t they face their lives across Nancy Grace they face the impact on their children and family. It’s a lot to ask especially when nothing is being offered. LE needs to explain how will this person and or their family be protected. Will they be moved? Given new names? Will their children’s name be sealed? Even when it is a biological father of the witnesses children will the names be sealed from him? What are the chances of life after this? LE needs not to be manipulative with anyone who has grown up in an environment like that, don’t BS it causes distrust and a lack of confidence. Explain what tell signs to look for of some one hiding things, like a spouse asking a spouse to lie or significant person in their life to lie. They may believe they are lying for another reason, denial is powerful. Consider the unlikely suspect. Just now we are coming to grips with our Countries most recent sexual predator. So far two woman murdered two raped, home invasions, several more being looked into. The predator? A man who has served 25 years in Armed forces. over seen flying around the prime minister, operations manager of the countries largest air base, decorated officer, married, kids, home owner, no record, no beady eyes, no dope dealing or using, no domestic violence, a Colonel. Expect the unexpected.
And the pink shirt. Do we know if it was really where she found it or did LE place it there to see there she would do? Maybe to see her reaction to finding it? And why was the shirt there anyways, did anyone ever say what she was wearing that was missing? Out of her vast wardrobe? She was from a poor family I am sure she had few clothes, at least so few one of the dolts would know if clothes were missing. jmo
That is not a not matching event of the evening. Misty said she was not even aware of the cinder blocks by the side of the house===she said that on TV. So to have THE cinder block used to prop open the door to take Haleigh away covered with HER DNA?? I disagree. I think that is enough to arrest.
Besides, If it WERE Misty, why leave the cider block? Why not throw it back with the rest?
To stage the events to match the cover up story. jmo
bonanzajellybean said,in February 9th, 2010 at 6:22 pm Buddy,
I read NOTHING on CNN or any other news source that states LE said Misty is NOT a suspect. CNN does state that Ron is NOT considered a suspect, POLICE say.
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It has been said many times..
Jan. 25, 2010
Investigators: Her 17-year-old stepmom is not a suspect in the disappearance, but knows more than she is telling.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-08-17/story/focus_is_narrowing_in_haleigh_cummings_disappearance_police_say
So, does that mean she passed her LDT too? NO!
I dont believe Misty has the intellect to stage her own bowel movement.
She got a ticket to New Jersey at the age of 14. That takes some smarts in my opinion.
ANY GUESSES AS TO HOW SHE PAID FOR IT??????
And it took alot of people to find her from what we have been told.
knowing that bunch, do you think they had the ware with all to look very hard for her?
bonanza, I would guess she had a “leader” who she followed. She had a Ron or a Donna Brock or someone that told her just want to do. I don’t believe Misty took off to New Jersey on her own. Bless her heart I don’t think she is capable.
In my opinion she is way smarter than most give her credit for. 14 and gets a bus ticket under a false name to New Jersey. I dont know too many 14 yr. olds that can do that do you? jmo
bonanza, …..just what to do
Treece,
I think that is more likely.
looking for Justice said,in February 9th, 2010 at 6:14 pm It was on August 16th I believe when PCSO held a press conference stating that the bio parents were not suspects. This is when they had Haleighs birthday celebration and the school supply drive. They did not completely rule anyone out. Putnam county has not released the ldt test on anyone.
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Yep, on that same day they said Misty was not a suspect either, but people like to leave that bit out..
Focus is narrowing in Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance, police say | Jacksonville.com
In what are their most detailed comments so far, investigators said Haleigh’s biological parents are not considered suspects in the six-month disappearance and they do not believe it was a stranger abduction.
Misty Cummings is not considered a suspect, said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, but knows more than she is telling.
The remarks came as hundreds of balloons with fliers were released at the time of the Satsuma girl’s birth. Her father’s family also joined Monday with an Orlando lawyer to elevate the case in the public’s eye.
And what would you wager that the boyfriend was one J. Miller? Seems the time line on that pretty well matches up. jmo
That was also 6 months ago things may have changed as the months rolled on. jmo
He would be in deep dodo for taking her across state lines and sex with a 14 yr. old. age of consent is 16 even if he was only 17 at the time. Apath of destruction follows Misty everywhere she goes. jmo
911 Operator: What is the numerical?
Misty: Numerical? Whats that?
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Mistys mom: Your bail is set at 500,000. You need 10% to bail out.
Misty: So I need 5,000.
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This woman could not think her way out of a garbage can. This is exactly the reason why I dont believe she can keep trained professionals at bay for ONE YEAR!
Book smarts proves only that. She is smart in ways we can only imagine, she is smart in a criminal sense.jmo
How can Misty know more than what she is telling, and NOT be considered a suspect? If she is withholding information that can lead to Haleigh, SHE IS GUILTY.
bonanza, I don’t think Misty is stupid but very ignorant about those type of things or anything that takes reading or reasoning skills. As sad as it is if Misty does some prison time she will learn alot.
Misty may have slept through whatever happened to Haleigh or have been too drugged out to remember the events and yet she flunks the polygraphs. Misty is so desperate to get out of jail and still won’t give a clue about what happened to Haleigh. What I draw from that she’s afraid that what she does know will not help her with LE, but would result in longer sentence or death penalty. Sadly, it doesn’t look like a happy ending for Haleigh…heartbreaking.
Why does everyone think an education is needed to be a criminal and street smarts get you way farther with getting away with crime that any Highschool diploma.jmo
tobis, that is my point, you can’t have it both ways.. They are trying to say Ron passed (past) his polygraph because 6 months ago they said he was not a suspect, well, they also said Misty was not a suspect either or Crystal, but the same bunch still accuse Crystal of being involved…
Misty has still not been named a suspect..
Local news
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Sam Jordan
@ February 4, 2010 12:47 PM Permalink | Comments (1)
We are getting more tapes from inside the jail cells of the people connected to the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.
This time, we have tapes of Misty Cummings talking to her family.
Hear Misty in jail, talking to her father
Misty and her ex-husband Ronald are in jail on drug charges.
Misty has never been named a suspect in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings but police consider her a main key to cracking the case.
The LE still say today that they have not ruled anyone out. They say they are all suspects, but noone is a person of interest. I am assuming they were saying at that point that Ron and Crystal were not at the top of the list. I am not sure if I completely understand what the difference is between a suspect or a person of interest. I do believe LE feels there is more than one involved. I do believe that LE knows Misty knows what happened and she can tell the who that did it. I do not believe LE nor have I ever thought Misty herself harmed Haleigh. Misty needs to make a deal now!! I hope her lawyer tells her straight up.
bonanzajellybean said,in February 9th, 2010 at 7:44 pm How can Misty know more than what she is telling, and NOT be considered a suspect? If she is withholding information that can lead to Haleigh, SHE IS GUILTY.
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Is Ron guilty too?
Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings.
I have not posted for awhile, but now, it seems my question all along will give you all something to ponder…Did it ever cross anyone’s mind on here, that the Perp could have been one of PCSO’s finest???? Like a UC, perhaps, all the peices fit…look at your questions (above) again. JMO.
Buddy, I’m not sure what you are trying to get at. LE was clear after the LDTs that the bio parents were not suspects. Whether they said M was or not they DID say she “holds the key,” and she gave “statements inconsistent with” evidence at the MH. So to me what they said about M was like talking out of both sides of their mouths. They clearly put the burden and suspicion on her no matter how they worded it.
Also, to clarify, I never thought C had anything to do with it but any of her family could have IMO. Just more possibilities to add to the list.
Looking fo Justice, I AGREE WITH YOU. Misty from what we have learned about her has left destruction everywhere she goes. New Jersey,
Flagler, and now in Satsuma, she gets involved with people who are criminals like she is and her family is. Most of her friends have records. She is a drug addict. I feel she knows and so does Ron( after the fact). jmo
BM – Yes. Long ago I mentioned corruption that included that possibility as well as covering for a higher up in LE (possibly just by purposely seeing to it that the investigation continues in the wrong direction).
That’s the whole problem. In the article above LE has basically not said anything at all different than they did a year ago although I”m sure they’d like us to think so.
bonanzajellybean said,in February 9th, 2010 at 7:07 pm Yes, if it is the block at the scene. Besides, she said early on that she was not even AWARE of the cider blocks. So if her DNA is on it, all the more reason to arrest.
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I totally agree. Plus, she is illiterate, uneducated, and they were allowed to interrogate her for 30 hours without a lawyer present. Surely, if she’s guilty of something, they would have some serious inconsistencies in those interviews. 30 hours is an incredible amount of time. If they had her DNA on the cinder block, and lies in her interviews, that would be more than enough to lay a charge…it would be a fairly strong circumstantial case.
After hearing the conversation between misty and hank sr.. it has driven me nutz all week wondering, what were they talking about.. she told hank something, and he said.. Why didn’t you come forward earlier.. she spoke again.. He said Oh Da n Man, Virgil.. He leaned into the mike and said VIRGIL.. now, who is this Virgil? What was it Misty said? I know of two Virgil’s in Marie’s side of the family, but never hear of a Virgil in this case in Putnam.. Does anyone have an any other idea of what they were talking about?
Blue Moon, yes I could speculate that in many directions and many other people before I could believe that Misty is the key bla bla bla. Good food for thought.
Also I stopped talking about LE that way for several reasons – some folks on here and TJ really wanted to give LE the benefit of the doubt. I lost it the other day with my reaction to Hardy’s remarks to TJ during that interview. But other than that I haven’t said anything about that in a long time.
I still see no reason to cross anything or anyone off the list.
I am still stuck on the fact that Tommy did not come foward willingly right away with the information that he was at that home the night she went missing. Most people, imo, who are close to the family of the missing child would offer any and all help including facts,whereabouts, and all that to help move the investigation along. Why did he not offer that help? Why wait to tell? When they first questioned him, and I wonder how soon in the investigation he was questioned,did he tell them he was at that house? I read he did not. He is hiding something imo.
She can read and write there is proof of it in the signed forms for TM, she also used the computer. She is not as stupid as you are being led to believe. jmo
Mlee, I missed that. Is it on the tape where Hank told her Lindsey was moving and he didn’t know what he was doing to do…… That same tape her mom talked to her first when they visited her in jail??
It is on the second tape treece, the one where she is talking to Hank.. This thing is eating at the back of my head, He was too distinctive with the way he leaned forward to make sure it was heard clear as a bell. He knew they were being taped, and he wanted that info to come out. Watch it and you will see what I mean..
I feel Tommy doesnt want to help send Misty to jail. His parents are important to him for some reason and they would never forgive him for telling on Misty. I think thats why he is so angry with her, in his mind she is at fault for all of this and he got pulled into it.jmo
Thank you M2c & Treece. And please take it from me, a close friend of our family lost his life (my family member almost did) to a UC Deputy (who is now in prison for 15 years) SO/SP’s DO exist in Departments. It just so happens our experience was in FL as well.
Looking for Justice, a person of interest is a PC way of saying suspect and avoiding lawsuit in a criminal case..Yes, LE has said,
“They aren’t overlooking anyone, including family members, as suspects.”
So, until they say other wise, I will have my concerns for other people besides Misty being involved… Ron has not been cleared any more than Misty has..
Treece, here is the link..
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6288494.php
and I am sure it is on tape 2. of misty’s.
tobias said,in February 9th, 2010 at 7:32 pm In my opinion she is way smarter than most give her credit for. 14 and gets a bus ticket under a false name to New Jersey. I dont know too many 14 yr. olds that can do that do you? jmo
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Are you serious? Many rebellious 14 year olds do that! Myself and 2 of my good friends did exactly that when we were 14! And we had good families. That is exactly the age when kids do it. It’s called rebellion.
I thought Hank “Magic Man” Sr. was reacting to Misty possibly saying something about that night. I thought he was saying o lord.
That’s why we need transcripts. Too hard to hear and understand everything.
Tobias I posted a past article written by TJ hart done 09/09 Haleigh Cummings update. In it states that Rons alibi is getting wobbly. I posted this yesterday or the day before. You can find it the BNN archives. The original work time posted for Ron was 4pm til 12 am and volunteered to work three hours over. It was stated that he always arrived 30-45 minutes early for his shift. PDM work schedule for his shift runs from 3:30pm – 2am M- TH and friday 3:30- 8:30pm it is based on a 45 hour work week. Not this week on the Sunday talk show with Simon and Jan, but last Sunday they talked about the PDM time clocks were in the process of being changed out. They even mentioned that perhaps possibly someone came forward and gave new info on Ron. I found this to be very enlightening. May not mean anything, but when I listen to them I always feel they know a little more than what they are saying. The scenario is put across as a theory.
Michelle: As far as we know T did not tell LE that in the beginning. Not until he wanted his bail reduced months and months later. By telling LE that he was there around 10pm, he (a) implied that M and possibly the children were NOT there then because no one responded when he supposedly pounded on the door. So is LE waiting for someone to call and say “Oh, BTW, M was at my house buying drugs that night”?
(b) T opened up the possibility that HE went inside. If so, what did he see or not see and what did he steal? lol!
IIRC, M did not have a key to the new locks on the MH so she would have had to leave a door open to get back in if she left. So if T did go over there he could have let himself in. Maybe he has not admitted that.
new article
mlee, thank you, I will re listen to that –
One more question…why on the 911 tapes, is a marked car at Tommy’s? Why did they radio back and say they were at his address when m & R called 911? And then they don’t answer, or it is redacted? Rings BIG bells for me.
Me, Then you know it takes smarts. Rebellion yes but smarts too. And it isnt reported how they found her. My guess is she got into trouble and called home for help. Being a minor more than likely has covered most of her difficulties in her early years. I would not be surprised if she has had other crimes that are sealed that we know nothing about. jmo
m2c, I have been told by family members that misty did have a key to the front door, there were 5 keys to the house. Misty was given one and she lost it, given a second key. GGsykes found her missing key. No one could come in that back door with the deadbolt locked, with the problems with that deadbolt it was so hard to turn from the inside, that to try from the outside, would have broken off the key. ron turned it a bit too far when he installed that back deadbolt.. I don’t know who’s said misty didn’t have her own key.. But, she did..
Tobias, I did not see the forms M signed but plenty of people who can write only X for their name sign forms that were (supposedly) read to them. Also being on the internet is not a sign of literacy. If she read MySpace’s and such a lot of them are written at no more than a 4th grade level – just like most newspapers.
mlee – Sorry. I thought R said he was the only one with keys.
What I’ve wondered is maybe she was so drugged or tired that she did not lock up the house, woke up at some point – even at 3:00 – and realized that she had not locked the house and immediately did so that R would not be mad at her (and LE would not hold her accountable for Haleigh being gone).
Michelle said,in February 9th, 2010 at 8:03 pm I am still stuck on the fact that Tommy did not come foward willingly right away with the information that he was at that home the night she went missing. Most people, imo, who are close to the family of the missing child would offer any and all help including facts,whereabouts, and all that to help move the investigation along. Why did he not offer that help? Why wait to tell? When they first questioned him, and I wonder how soon in the investigation he was questioned,did he tell them he was at that house? I read he did not. He is hiding something imo.
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I totally agree. Tommy went to the top of my suspect list when this info came out and still is at the top. But I fear LE have tunnel vision and only saw this of further evidence that Misty was lying, rather than seeing the obvious. And I think Lindsay lied about him going out too…she was interrogated for hours after this info came out. I think Lindsay may be the key, and would probably give Tommy up if LE put some pressure on her with threats of charging her, as she seems to be the one with the most to lose in all this.
m2c Ron said he locked up the house everyday before he left for work and he always made sure the back door was locked.
My thinking is someone came in the front door and locked it behind themselves. Opened the back door where their helper was waiting, who blocked the door open for silent exiting. Haleigh was carried right out the back door leaving the front door locked. This could easily take less than 5 minutes.
tobias said,in February 9th, 2010 at 8:03 pm She can read and write there is proof of it in the signed forms for TM, she also used the computer. She is not as stupid as you are being led to believe. jmo
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Most illiterate people can sign their own name. Where do you think she learned to read and write? Home schooling? Her father admitted he’s illiterate, I suspect Lisa is as well. She hasn’t been to school since Grade 6. Really, where do you think she got reading and writing skills?
tobias said,in February 9th, 2010 at 8:19 pm Me, Then you know it takes smarts. Rebellion yes but smarts too. And it isnt reported how they found her. My guess is she got into trouble and called home for help. Being a minor more than likely has covered most of her difficulties in her early years. I would not be surprised if she has had other crimes that are sealed that we know nothing about. jmo
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Nah, it doesn’t take smarts. I had a great home, with a swimming pool and a loving family. Not too smart if you ask me….but I was 14.
Misty grew up in an incredibly disadvantaged situation for a child. You make it sound like she had every possible break, and I think that is ridiculous. You might want to listen to what TM had to say about her this week and how she never stood a chance.
mlee, could that be Virgil Johns??
looking for justice: But was R locking everyone INSIDE so they could not get out again??? I hope not. They wouldn’t be able to get out if there was a fire. Surely M could get out with or without a key I would hope.
Interesting about the “lost” key. Wonder where ggma found it. Not impossible to lift a key off of a druggie during a 3 day binge, make a copy and “put it back” somewhere where it could be found.
Just thoughts.
looking for justice: I don’t understand what R could have meant by that. He went to work in the afternoon and surely did not lock M and kids inside at that time?
Okay, everyone, hold off a second. Does anyone know what EXACTLY is comprehended in the term “foul play?”
m2c I believe like the windows and back door. I am sure he knew Misty could keep the front door locked if she should go out it. Lets be reasonable. They both said that the back door is always locked. The only reason for going out of it was to clean out the car.
Ah, Winter Rose I didn’t see your post re “foul play.”
All, you are trying to make sense of Misty and Ron’s involvement…the answer is not there…You all have re-hashed these things over and over…Look at LE, THAT is where you will find answers.
Hey guy’s!
Assuming Haleigh is alive,and Misty was home I wonder how they removed her quietly?
That’s another reason I think she wasn’t home or was drugged maybe?
M2C SAID
Interesting about the “lost” key. Wonder where ggma found it. Not impossible to lift a key off of a druggie during a 3 day binge, make a copy and “put it back” somewhere where it could be found.
Just thoughts.
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Good possibility
This is all speculation but:
I do not think that Haleigh was sold for a drug debt or to people out of the country.
I always thought that maybe she got into drugs thinking they were medicine or candy or was drugged.The other possibility is that maybe she lost her temper and hurt little Haleigh.It could happen if she was pissed about having to watch her and she was already irritable and hungover form a drug binge.
Especially since I just heard that Misty didn’t want to watch Haleigh on that night.
Maybe she thought she’d give her some pills to make her go to sleep so she wouldn’t have to deal with her and she died?
Tommy could have been there to help Misty get rid of Haleigh’s body?
Who else would Misty call for help in a pinch..her criminal brother of course!
That may explain why she wasn’t answering her phone when Ron “called her all night”.
Also might explain why Tommy didn’t tell LE that he was there at the trailer the night Haleigh went missing.
LE needs to drill Tommy Dumbo’s wife for info.
She may talk in hopes of getting him out of the clink.He couldn’t possibly hold a secret like that from her for long.
Also,Doesn’t anybody find it odd that this disappearance occurs less than two months after they find little Caylee’s body?
I am sure in Florida Casey Anthony case was all over the TV and Misty had to have seen it.
She probably learned”what not to do”.And made darn sure little Haleigh wouldn’t be found.
She needs to stay in prison for the rest of her life IMO.
Porcelain,I agree but only if she’s guilty!!
how would she do this and not leave evidence??
how would she do this and not leave evidence??
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Yes, how?
Blue Moon said,in February 9th, 2010 at 9:07 pm how would she do this and not leave evidence??
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Yes, how?
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I have the same question. Please tell us how?
thanks for stating the obvious pcso
alethea: I’m afraid that only LE knows what it meant by “foul play.” I guess anything beginning with a little girl gone missing. (sigh)
Looking for justice: Sorry. I was confused when you said R always locked up the house.
I thought that meant the house (the whole house).
thanks for stating the obvious pcso
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Who else???
m2c it’s ok.
I think Tommy Croslin did it, Misty slept through it. Lindsy is the Queen of denial and BS. LE does not want it to be that way because it makes them look bad so they will try with everything they have to make it Misty. Right now the Putnam LE need it to be, for their careers, plus their corrupt. They targeted Misty thinking she knows but she does not and they fell short on Tommy who is not frightened enough because they failed to get enough on him “result of the not targeting Misty” and their spitting in the wind as a result of it. Who is in charge of this ship do they have one answer? One day Hardy is out there saying people are saying “Misty Misty Misty” but were not then this Greenwood is out there “Misty Misty Misty” Tomorrow it’s Bowels and then who? All saying different stuff contradicting each other, who is running this show? Seems highly unstable I think they lack public confidence.
Holly’sGmom,
Thank you so much for your posts. I very often find that as I am starting to think of a question, you are right there with the information! You should win Best Blogger!
Sincerely, alethea
Uneducated nonsense! You really don’t have a clue!!
Oh, Come on…what is your clue?
m2c♥ said,in February 9th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
“Also, to clarify, I never thought C had anything to do with it but any of her family could have IMO. Just more possibilities to add to the list.”
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Yes, I can see how, that has crossed my mind many times, but the problem is, save the child and put the mother thru hell? Doesn’t make sense.
It looks bad for Haleigh no matter which way you slice it, in my opinion.
A red flag was raised with me when Tommy finally admitted he had been at the MH the night Haleigh went missing because he had not offered that information in a timely manner. He admitted having been there as, it seemed, some sort of bargaining chip with LE. I have always questioned why he did not mention it at the beginning of the investigation.
Reports I read said Ron had been arguing with Misty and could not reach her by phone that night. He called Tommy and asked him to go check on Misty, which Tommy did. Tommy pounded on the door and no one answered.
So, if Ron asked Tommy to go there, did he not get a report back from Tommy that no one answered the door?
I am bothered by Tommy not mentioning being at the MH to LE early on, but I am equally bothered by Ron not mentioning it. I do not recall seeing any report where Ron denied asking Tommy to go to the MH that night, yet the first we hear of it is from Tommy after his arrest on theft charges.
Cathartic..thanks..again I ask..why is a marked car at Tommy’s prior to the 911 call for Haleigh missing??? And WHY did the deputy not respond? Or was it redacted??
BlueMoon that is a great question that has never been answered.
Treece, do you think it was redacted like most of Everything else??
Blue Moon said,in February 9th, 2010 at 10:42 pm Cathartic..thanks..again I ask..why is a marked car at Tommy’s prior to the 911 call for Haleigh missing??? And WHY did the deputy not respond? Or was it redacted??
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I’ve got that same question, Blue Moon. Also, is it just rumor that there was screaming heard in the Tyler St. vicinity around 2:30 a.m. the night HaLeigh went missing?
Blue Moon said,in February 9th, 2010 at 10:42 pm Cathartic..thanks..again I ask..why is a marked car at Tommy’s prior to the 911 call for Haleigh missing??? And WHY did the deputy not respond? Or was it redacted??
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Hmmm this is what i want to know too.There was a LE at Tommys that nite and the 911 call is gone, disapeared. IMO I think it was a women LE at Tommys that nite and when LE got the call about Haleigh being missing that LE was only 2 blocks away. Go figure!!
Blue Moon said,
in February 9th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Treece, do you think it was redacted like most of Everything else??
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Yes, I think it must be redacted because you can’t find any info out about it.
And guess what folks….that only leads to one PERP…
The only one that could/would leave no trace…
Blue Moon, I recall something on the 911 call about a car being in the area (an address on Tyler if I recall correctly) but how do you know a car was at Tommy’s address?
In my area the newspapers list police calls daily, they list the address and a two- or three-word description of the reason for the call. Do newspapers in Satsuma area do that? If so, one might be able to look up info on police calls. Just a thought.
If it was an accident, someone would have spilled or fessed up by now. No, it has to be something worse. MUCH worse. In my opinion.
In the call the deputy states the address he/she is at…it is Tommy’s No one has ever questioned that, and it is also the address Misty lists as Last Known, when she was arrested. It is just really weird, that a marked car was there, and then does not answer as to why, when questioned…Listen to the 911 tapes, you will see what I mean.
Blue Moon said,in February 9th, 2010 at 11:07 pm In the call the deputy states the address he/she is at…it is Tommy’s No one has ever questioned that, and it is also the address Misty lists as Last Known, when she was arrested. It is just really weird, that a marked car was there, and then does not answer as to why, when questioned…Listen to the 911 tapes, you will see what I mean.
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i have always questioned this.It is just really weird, that a marked car was there. jmo
OK, that’s where I got the “Tyler” from. I remember now that there was a car nearby at the time of the 911 call. Yet, Ron was so upset that they weren’t getting there, he kept asking when someone was coming. The 911 operator said they are getting someone there. But to me it seemed to take several minutes longer than it should have if they were only a couple blocks away.
Blue Moon, I see where you’re going with this and I find it very interesting.
Remember that Jr. allegedly said “someone dressed in black”…Well, where I come from, our officers dress in all black.
That coupled with the question was it a MAN who took HaLeigh? It was a Female officer on Tyler that night????
Yes….Yes…..
Well, if we want to put on the tin foil hats, when you hear about all the canvassing that was done of the area, everything by the book, it might make sense that the only way the kid could have been taken out of there was in a police car. Interesting.
Now let me go back and finish re-reading the posts and see if I sound like a dummy?
Just a theory.
Just a theory, but believe me…it can happen. AND it would explain ALMOST everything.
donna brock tapes..
http://www.news4jax.com/video/22516856/index.html
Didn’t Misty say something in her voice analysis about “if someone puts a gun in your mouth, uh uh, Im not talking”???
Seems lots of people there are accustomed to putting guns in people’s mouths, but hmmmm?
Keep It Real..Yes
oops, not all of the tapes just a snippet on the news cast..but the tapes our out. hoping tj gets them tomorrow
Blue Moon said,in February 9th, 2010 at 11:07 pm In the call the deputy states the address he/she is at…it is Tommy’s No one has ever questioned that, and it is also the address Misty lists as Last Known, when she was arrested. It is just really weird, that a marked car was there, and then does not answer as to why, when questioned…Listen to the 911 tapes, you will see what I mean.
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i have always questioned this.It is just really weird, that a marked car was there. jmo
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A LE car was in that area just 2 blocks away when the call came in that Haleigh was missing.
Nite.
But that only works if the kid didn’t go missing earlier. JMO
Blue Moon said,in February 9th, 2010 at 11:07 pm In the call the deputy states the address he/she is at…it is Tommy’s No one has ever questioned that, and it is also the address Misty lists as Last Known, when she was arrested. It is just really weird, that a marked car was there, and then does not answer as to why, when questioned…Listen to the 911 tapes, you will see what I mean.
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i have always questioned this.It is just really weird, that a marked car was there. jmo
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A LE car was in that area just 2 blocks away when the call came in that Haleigh was missing.
Nite.
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Yes, and they were at Tommy’ house. And when asked “why” the deputy did not repspond.
sorry, respond.
alethea said,in February 9th, 2010 at 11:30 pm But that only works if the kid didn’t go missing earlier. JMO
But maybe not. This is getting too wild. Nite all.
Yes, it would explain why noone is talking!!
Yes, it would.
Makes just as much sense as most of the other in this case.
Stranger than truth!
And lots of food for thought.
Thanks for your input, Blue Moon!
Can someone refresh my memory about what time Tommy C. said he went down and beat on the door that night?
I think he said it was around 10 PM.
I don’t know the time… but not so long ago there was a time-line posted somewhere, and it seemed to be very accurate from what little is known of that night.
This article has the time line
Good night all – sweet dreams
http://www.bloggernews.net/123783
DB Tapes.. Transcript
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22515771/detail.html
Heee Heee, everyone is turning on Misty, can’t believe she held so much power… or is it persuasion?
Could this be related??
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22516071/detail.html
Just sayin
please light some candles for Haleigh
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC
Some Donna Brock tapes have been released!!!
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22515771/detail.html
A link that has apparently one of the calls…I don’t know where the rest are..
http://www.news4jax.com/video/22516856/index.html
You can’t forget about cousin Joe right? He was staying at Tommy’s house too that night she came up missing correct? I wonder what part he would play in this. If someone had to get rid of Haleigh wouldn’t it take two people? Assuming they dig and bury her, or put her body somewhere. They wouldn’t have time to go far to get rid of her if Joe was seen in bed in the am. Wonder what the timeline is over at Tommy’s house that night.
In the tape of Tommy talking with Lindsey he says he wishes he had not gone out that night, or should not have gone. And she says “I told you not to go.”
What night were they talking about? It could be either the night of his drug sale or the night Haleigh went missing.
Is it clear in the tape what they were talking about? I was not paying full attention to the TV when the tape was playing so I did not get all of what was said prior to them talking about that.
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Ronald did disclaim Tommy Croslin’s account. He said he never asked Tommy to go to the home only that he called and asked if Tommy had heard from her. He never received any call from Tommy that night giving him any account of what went on when Tommy allegedly went there. That was my concern too. Who would call some one ask them to go there and then not call them back to ask what they viewed when they went there? Who would agree to go there and find no one and not call the Father back? At that time the world did not know of this family not at 945 pm that night. It’s either BS he didn’t go there at all or he is lying about what transpired when he did go there. That is what annoyed me with this LE department to present it to the public as though Tommy was telling the truth in a sensible story yet it lacked common sense. To let out a known Domestic violence repeat offender and sign him out to his home where children are. At the very least Lindsy owes it to Haleigh and to the LE to tell the truth straighten that up if Tommy lied then take the consequences if Tommy played LE for a brake then so be it but misleading like this is wrong. I don’t trust her because of that, I would divorce a man that could use a tragedy of a child like this for his benefit. I couldn’t stand him next to me in my bed, in my life. I don’t get her at all.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
If Ron has denied asking Tommy to check on Misty that night, I would go back to my original belief that it didn’t happen at all, that Tommy simply told LE something he thought they wanted to hear. I find it hard to believe anyone would make a statement that they had been at the MH that night if they really had not been there, so I am not convinced Tommy was not there, just that he may not have been asked to go there. Thanks Rose, I could not find any info on Ron’s denial of that incident.
On Nancy Grace she asked Ronald Cummings directly. I agree he wasn’t asked but did go there and is lying about what transpired that is why he held out for as long as he did. Not calling Ronald when he went there is what concerns me if there was nothing to hide about what he seen why with hold anything about what he seen, why not call Ronald that night? Either way the key actually is Lindsy she knows the truth and needs to tell it.JMHO
DustyRose,
I’ve been saying Lindsay is the key for awhile now. I do hope LE are putting some pressure on her.
Mlee said there were two Virgil’s in the family. Was it on Ron’s side. There are several things that are really interesting to me now.
l. Notice this big arrest went down after Misty had barely turned 18. I don’t think this was an accident. Things can get alot harder with an adult than a minor.
2. GGSykes has changed her tune about Misty to the press. Remember when she said Misty loved those kids and was more mature than most 26 yr. olds? She takes such good care of them. She, now, says she was mad at Misty that night, because she had gone off and left the kids.(I took it that she meant on the 3 day party)
3. I think, I remember something about GGSykes saying her sister was with her that night when she came by the house. Is this sister connected to a Virgil in any way? I think she said her sister’s name was Lisa.
4. I do think misty told her dad something aout who it was, because he said. “I don’t know why you didn’t come forward sooner.”
5. Remember on that voice analysis test, when Misty said, kind of out of the blue,
“when someone comes in and puts a gun in your mouth and tells you not to tell.” Then she shook her head and said, “nuh uh.” That has always struck me that Misty was threatened and scared.
6. Alot of people are kept hidden for over a year. Remember some of the cases just lately.
I am going to go back and listen to Misty and Hank, Sr. tape, again.
One more thing I would like to add. Misty’s mother talked to Misty first and told her that Ronald had said he had a girlfriend. Then Misty’s Dad talked to her. I wondered if they did that to make Misty mad at Ron, so she would tell them what she knew.
What I think is strange is that when we were told about thew ‘flurry” of calls from R to M’s phone that night, no one sees that as an indication that R might have known there were “problems” in the home that night?
Or is it his habit to do so regularly? Call 20+ times per shift?
As per the timeline issue:
The poster in the fore-front of the picture is a FAMILY TREE….very obvious!!! The poster you need to focus on is the one to the left of the tree. It has a line across the top with Haleigh’s picture at far left.
Then there are 3, count them 3, lines with info with information logged in at various times. Only the TOP 2 lines end at the same point…approx 3 am. Those 2 people would be ON SCENE for 911 calls & report to LE. The last line ends @ approx 1:00 am. Line 1 has times accounted for that match Misty. Line 2 has times accounted for that match MOST of Ron’s timeline but there is some extra activity at betweent 11:00 pm and 1:00 am. The third line matches what we know for TC.
Look at it….who else would line 2 be for? Who else was on scene for 911 calls and for report to LE??? WHo?
Blue moon the transmissions of the 911 call that has a car at 116 Tyler on the night Haleigh disappeared and Misty made their 911 call. You can go into the archives to your left and click on Sept 2009 go to Haleigh Cummings update 09/09 by TJHart and you can find it there. It also says in that article that Haleigh was last seen an hour to one hour and a half putting it between 2 and 2:30am. It also talks about how Rons timeline was getting wobbly. NOone I see here has posted on that article.
No matter how you slice it, I think a lot was depending on Misty babysitting that night. Just my opinion.
I still don’t understand why Tommy would even be talking to Misty let alone go and sell drugs with her after what she said on the Voice Stress Test.. She basically said she thinks he has something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance, called him a crack head and accused him of stealing a gun, she was trying real hard to convince the person of how bad he is and how he and Joe should be looked at.. She was very calm and her speech was smooth and flowed freely during most of the video, except when Ron was brought up and when she was talking about the gun to the head..
She took up for Ronald with the assault report by her dad and Tommy and basically called them liars…
She must be telling LE the same stuff about Tommy, she did rat out Tommy about the latest home thefts..
It boggles my mind that they would even speak after all of the stuff she has said and done, equally strange is how Ron has stood by her after all this stuff with her and her family..
It looks like maybe Tommy has figured something out and he realizes that Misty didn’t.
re what looking for Justice said,in February 10th, 2010 at 8:01 am
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How did the police get that the child had last been seen around 2 to 2:30? Can’t seem to recall much about that.
Hi, alethea! In your 10:35 post do you mean “…Misty didn’t” figure it out? Or Misty didn’t do it? Sorry I’m slow today (not that that’s much different than any other day).
m2c♥, I meant didn’t figure it out. But it might mean the other, too. I have to think about it.
m2c♥, I probably should have said, it might mean the other as well. It might mean both.
Althea, it is in the article written by TJ Hart. You can go and read it. It is in the archives Sept 09/09 Haleigh Cummings update. Like I wrote above it even talks about Rons timeline becoming wobbly. This article was written after they came out and said Ron was not a suspect. You can go back and listen perhaps to the 1/31/2010 radio talk show and they even talk about the time clocks at PDM were being changed out at the time.
Final Connection To HaLeigh Cummings Leaves Neighborhood:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=151835&catid=3
But neighbors say Hank Croslin Sr. moved out last Saturday, leaving behind some broken furniture and toys on the road. The seven neighbors First Coast News talked to Tuesday said they were glad all the relatives are gone.
“They were a nuisance to the neighborhood,” said neighbor Stephanie Santos. “They were very scary to the kids.”
Video on right
Is that the same Santos, from the bus stop and the Geraldo/DCF incident?
Well here we are on the one year aniversary of Haleighs disappearance and we are no closer to finding out what happenened to “our” little sweetheart. My heart is very heavy today, as is everyone who has put hours and hours into crying, hurting and praying for an end to this very sad situation. I just want to extend my deepest sympathy to the family of little Haleigh, but also to the people here at Bnn, writers, bloggers, everyone who have shown how much they truly cared.. All of you deserve a big THANK YOU and a great big hug. None of us are willing to give up, even if we never know what took place that night. To all of you, God loves you and knows how much it hurts…All of you are wonderful and I know Haleigh, where ever she is, loves you and will never forget.
methinks, very sweet post and hugs back at you.
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