This just in from TJ Hart – Simon
Late last week, Ronald Cummings, the father of missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma, FL, and his ex-wife, Misty Croslin, were involved and alleged road rage incident with Charles Norman Jones.
During the alleged event, 911 calls were placed by a woman who refused to identify herself, but was later ID’d as Misty Croslin during questioning where she accused Jones of making harassing and threatening phone calls to her.
Many questions arose from the incident after the 911 audio was released to 97.3 The Sky.
Audio: Misty Croslin’s 911 call
In this call, Misty Croslin claims the she, the driver of the vehicle and two child passengers are being chased by a driver identified as Charles Jones who she claims has tried to run them off the road.
As the Putnam County dispatcher is taking down the information provided by Croslin, the dispatcher asks for her name. Croslin refuses to give it citing she wanted no further problems with Jones but only wants the chase to be stopped.
The dispatcher tells Croslin that they cannot arrest the man in the chase unless she gives her name unless officers witness the incident themselves.
Lt. Johnny Greenwood responded to 97.3 The Sky’s questions pertaining to the dispatcher’s handling of this incident:
“I just listened to the recording. This is really not a procedure, but this an experienced communication officer knows what is required to charge someone with a crime of this nature. She was attempting to obtain the information to assist the responding deputy with the case. Without a victim, the state cannot become the victim in this type of case, and could not pursue any charges. An officer could stop the vehicle on the word of an anonymous caller, but could not charge him/her with a crime unless a crime was committed in the officer’s presence.”
The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has its hands full with this incident. Charles Norman Jones, the man in the other vehicle also contacted 911 with some rather unusual comments.
Audio: Charles Norman Jones’ 911 call
No charges have been filed or arrests made in this alleged incident as of Monday morning 1/4/10.
Additional Information on Missing Haleigh Cummings:
Haleigh is described as a 6 year old white female. She is approximately 3’0, 39 lbs, blonde hair & brown eyes. Unknown clothing description.
Haleigh was last seen at her residence in the Hermit’s Cove area of Putnam County on February 9, 2009 between the hours of 8-10pm.
A statewide Amber Alert has been issued. An additional $30,000 in rewards have been posted.
If you have any information and wish to remain anonymous, please call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477) or you can Text your tip by Texting “TIP231 plus your message” to CRIMES (274637)
TJ Hart
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackDid I “predict” this one or what! LOL! I told you guys….he spells it out. If he’s wrong, I’m sure there will be a higher authority to say so. I was also right about it being the very “next article”. 🙂 I’m not even saying Greenwood is correct, I think he may be, but I thought it funny that I was right about the PCSO next release being this. Almost word for word….walks away shaking her head…
through patting yourself on the back?..
The LE sound inept in that part of the woods,
yee doggy.
Yup! on both accusations….
Hollys Gmom, yes, you are right, you did say the next article would be LE explaining away their negligence!! You were right on both!!!!
Well, TJ must have listened to a different 911 recording than I heard. And assumed a lot.
There was no mention of who was driving and no mention of “arresting” anyone. Also, Misty did not “refuse,” IMO, she “declined” to give her name AND was told she did not have to.
Is there a link to other recordings of the calls than we had before? Perhaps recordings that are more complete or something?
I am extremely disappointed and confused about what this article is claiming and where the info came from to base it on.
I hate to bust someone’s balloon but expecting a response to such public outrage is not a big leap. If I’d known it was a contest I might have entered it but I thought it was a “given” that PCSO would defend themselves.
However I still can’t make sense of TJ’s claims given the recordings that I heard.
No kidding…it was a joke when I posted about it yesterday…because it WAS so bovious what they were going to do…geez m2c…no humor?
*obvious
Yes, I know…it’s a very serious situation and blah blah blah….yes it was/is…but have you never laughed at something ridiculous?!?
m2c, that was said in sarcasm, as a joke, it was a dig at PCSO that HGmom made earlier. Like that would be their next ridiculous move. At least that is the way I took her comment, could be wrong.
Another thing….you should be happy…If Greenwood is wrong this could signal higher authorities that something is WAY wrong in Putnam County and open a FULL investigation. Cheer-up…it’s not over yet.
I guess we were typing at same time – sorry I should have let you answer. On my part, I just
want it known that it was a smart ass remark, just playing around.
m2c, I think my previous post have made it clear that I TOTALLY agree the 911 operator was rude, unconcerned, and in my opinion didn’t give a hoot because she knew it was Misty. I absolutely think she acted unprofessionally. Yesterday I google 911 protocols and found much evidence to say she should have done everything she could have to have stayed with Misty until an officer arrived.
Thanks Treece, It was …you answered me yesterday as to that I was right …it probably WOULD be thier next move. Then I saw it I was like…OMG! No Way! I was right about that…and I wanted to make reference to yesterday’s joke. Also to say that I can hardly beleive it but I can also..
The messages from CJ jr make it sound like Misty was playing sides here. Both CJ’s seem to feel personally offended that Misty is with Ron. He is telling her he is sorry about the first call, and that he cares about her?? I thought he had a girlfriend? Also, in the messages he knows Misty is with Ron, but he tells officers Ron was alone? He lied a lot in that call. It was a little disturbing to hear him asking about shooting Ron. Maybe that was what he was after. He thought if he could just set off Ron’s temper, he could create a situation where he COULD shoot him without penalty? Scary what is going on down there. I hope LE gets a handle on these wanna be thugs before any more innocents are lost.
I think Misty is playing 2 sides against the middle. Giving all a sob story about how Ron is such a bad guy, meanwhile sneaking around with him on the side. I think the motives for CJ in this incident was to expose the two of them together. Anyone down there would know by now how quickly this would hit the internet.
Maybe the locals are sick of seeing Teflon Ron running all over town, doing whatever the hell he wants with no consequences. I hope for Haleigh that this is the fragile house of lies starting to fall in on itself.
m2c, I think our post in fun, came across serious and was offensive, I am sorry I didn’t make it clear I was being sarcastic.
Your point that there are assumptions that were not made clear to Misty is very true and valid.
mariesilk, I agree, that threat to shoot Ron and threat of going to Ron’s house are HUGE to me and it seems no one cares. No where did I hear Ron being hot headed or threatening. I clearly think you are right CJ was wanting permission to shoot him and kept pulling over to let Ron catch up with him. If he were scared of Ron or Ron had pulled a gun on him he would not have continued to pull over and wait for Ron. If Ron was chasing him how did he get so far ahead of Ron to need to pull over. It appears to me Ron was going very slow trying to let the guy get far away from him but CJ wouldn’t go on. JMO
Well, I apologize to treece and to HGm. I did not see the reference/joke yesterday and I did not pick up on the humor/sarcasm in HGm’s first post. That’s often difficult to do when writing and reading comments like this.
Can anyone tell me if the links to the audios above are the very same that we had before or are they different somehow? I just can’t understand some of TJ’s statements as they were not what I heard on the previous links.
I don’t think Greenwood is listening to the same 911 call either (lol!) or he’s interpreting it so it reflects well on PCSO (of course).
Gosh, PCSO, open mouth, insert foot. This is the second time recently. The first being your smart mouth, unprofessional response to the request to open your records under the Sunshine Law. May I remind you that her ability to take her request to a higher level is not a “threat” but a right granted by law.
I think you guys need to join the 911 dispatcher and get into another line of work.
Public service does not suit you.
I still say that Misty was failed by the OP. I expect nothing less than for LE to back one of their own. I hope that the matter of the questions/concerns the public has regarding the 911 procedures will NOT be dropped because a Lt says it was handled properly.
Marie… Misty herself says that at first, CJ didn’t know she was in the truck.
I personally think that at some point they were actually taking turns passing/chasing each other.
The operator was still sending the officers to aid Ron and Misty. She was only informing them that unless she verifies her witness statement with her identity the officers responding will not be able to do anything unless the officers see CJ breaking the law with their own eyes.
I don’t think the operator did anything wrong.
cent: ITA, this event was escalated by both parties. What I would like to know is, what was going on earlier that night that led up to this? If CJ didn’t know Misty was in the truck, why all the calls to her phone? The messages were directed to Ron so he must have known they were together.
m2c, no apology needed, I totally see how it was an understandable misunderstanding, just glad we communicated now. You are so right it is sometimes hard to “hear” when we are writing. I have errands to run ttyl. treece
Marie, I’m incline to believe that @ some point CJ saw Misty in the truck, and perhaps that is what escalated the road rage. I think it was in the beginning that he thought Ron was alone. Misty, says in the interview that CJ didn’t know she was in there… I’m guessing she means @ first. I too would like to know what started this. I do NOT believe Misty when she says she doesn’t know what the trouble is between them.
mariesilk at 12:00 pm You said:
“The operator was still sending the officers to aid Ron and Misty.”
She never told Misty that.
And you said, “She (the operator) was only informing them that unless she verifies her witness statement with her identity…”
The operator did not say that either.
She interrupted Misty as Misty startd to say:
“We want this person…”
And the Dispatcher interrupts and says: “Okay, the only way we can stop this is if
we see them driving wreckless…if we observe them driving wreckless.”
The operator was clearly talking about “stopping” the road rage incident NOT arresting anyone or filing reports or anything like that.
The operator did NOT tell CJ the same thing even when CJ said he was out of sight of Ron.
IF Misty’s call was first, and CJ’s after then the operator KNEW the road rage was on-going, did send police and never informed Misty whom I am 99% sure she could have called back because 911 calls show the number calling.
And what in the world is the point in the operator telling her that the officers responding will not be able to do anything unless the officers see CJ breaking the law with their own eyes? Misty had told her CJ was still behind them.
Does the other car have to be ramming them so the 911 op can hear it before bothering to send help? No. The calls were clearly unbalanced and unfair and very very poorly handled.
The point of the operator telling Misty that the officers can’t do anything unless they see the offences for themselves, is because Misty won’t give her name. Therefore, they have no official witness and must bear witness themselves.
The operator may not have phrased her response the exact same way I did, but really. She tells Misty that for the safety of her children she should provide her identity. I am sure 911 operators are trained to question why a caller may not want to identify themselves.
I do think the operator should have informed Misty that officers were on the way. You can hear the defeat in her voice as she says ‘nevermind’. People down there don’t seem to have much faith in le, and Misty doesn’t sound too surprised at the reaction she gets.
I also think CJ is lying about the gun. He mentions the gun numerous time in the call and when the operator shows no interest in the gun, he ups the ante by saying Ron pointed the gun at him and threatened him. I think any one in this situation would be more worried about having your life threatened with a weapon than with the car chase. JMO, but if it was me I would be freaking out someone was waving a gun at me.
“The point of the operator telling Misty that the officers can’t do anything unless they see the offences for themselves, is because Misty won’t give her name. Therefore, they have no official witness and must bear witness themselves.”
Mariesilk: Misty was asking for officers to be sent to assist them. The operator never asked for a description of the car Misty was in. That’s the other identifying factor and the most important one in trying to locate a car in trouble as most people do not have their names plastered to the side of their car.
If the operator had said that a cop would look for them, then I might think she intended to send help. But she didn’t. The name business has nothing to do with it at all.
If cops had gone to the location and seen the car that Misty was in, then Ron could pull over and they could give a report whether CJ was still there or not. That’s what usually happens.
Geez, people. A car in trouble, involved in a road rage incident is not disqualified from assistance if the person does not give their name.
Mariesilk, please read the actual transcript of the 911 call we heard.
The issue of the name was over. Misty was told that no she did not have to give her name.
THEN the operator said, We can’t help you unless we see it happening. THAT has nothing to do with Misty’s name either. It has to do with finding her car and possibly seeing some road rage going on – but the operator never even asked for a description of Misty’s car. So how could LE possibly even try to get there to see anything going on?
UPDATE MISTY TELLS HER SIDE OF THE ROAD RAGE INCIDENT TO LEVI PAGE, LOL.
I heard the operator ask for a description of the car.
On the other hand, did I miss the news report that stated Ron and Misty were back together, or is this just a “third rate romance, low rent rendezvous” type of thing?
I would like to know when the telephone calls were made. They sound like they were made before the road rage incident. ?????
For Misty and Ron wanting to throw the light on Crystal they sure cant keep themselves out of the spot light. CJ is now under the bus along with PCSO lol what next?jmo
PCSO can’t handle anything correctly it appears, even a simple 911 on going possible road rage incident. Ridiculous. Send help out, then let the responding officers call the shots and make the determinations as to what is what. What charges are appropriate, who is in danger, who did wrong, geez
kool look & m2c, I think you are both right-on. I think the operator knew it was Misty from the start and didn’t give a crap about her or her danger or danger to anyone with her. BUT I think you are wasting your life to try to get some others to see it that way. To some EVERYTHING is just another opportunity to bash R & M and they are not interest in facts or logic. I do not think anyone else would have been treated like that if they had called 911. I know I keep repeating this but this 911 call breaks protocol for 911 emergencies from the very beginning. JMO talk to you gals later. Treece
We can not blame the dispatcher for the road rage, that is on the parties involved. If you call for help give your name what is so hard about that? Really are you more worried about everyone knowing whats happening or saving your life and 2 kids? If you are in fear of getting in a car accident and getting hurt who cares who knows,really people. jmo
Misty asked the 911 Dispatcher if she had the right to remain anonymous and yes she does however after that the dispatcher still insisted she give her name. Misty asked for an officer to come out to the end the chase not 101 in law. This is exactly my point about this department. This is why they are not finding Haleigh it’s not that people are less than if they make mistakes it’s refusing to see them and learn from them and take accountability for them, this department refuses to for anything. There is no truth to this guys story. He drives by a cop while driving 90 in a 45 because Ronald is chasing him and has pointed a gun at him and told him he is going to kill him. So after PASSING THE COP WHILE FLEEING FOR HIS LIFE!!!! He dials 911 and what does he ask for? a cop. Why didn’t he stop when seen the cop? If he was so afraid and in such a desperate plight for his safety why didn’t he go to the cop? Wheres the gun? Guaranteed Police searched Ronald’s Truck, wheres the gun? It did not happen the way this guy is telling it, he is full of BS
Listen to the 911 when Misty is robbed at the end the Dispatcher asks for her name on that incident also. jmo
The name was for the dispatchers report that she is typing. I believe it would be just standard procedure after a car is on its way, just for the written report on the call. jmo
Treece, I think everyone wants to bash PCSO all the time. They are not mind readers and if people do not cooperate how can they do their jobs. They were not in charge of Haleigh and can only follow leads that they have. People are not cooperating or helping to find this little girl. What exactly does everyone want out of them? jmo
I beleive the only reason Misty wouldnt give her name was because they did not want anyone to know they are together, their lawyers for sure. jmo
Tobias got near the crux of this entire matter in the 2:46 post….what is more important to these characters…self interest or doing the right thing?
Misty was saying she is afraid to walk down the street now. Why was she not afraid before?
What was the real reason for this road rage incident, the dispatcher is not important . What is is why this all occured to begin with.imho
I think Misty called in to do damage control on the situation. Why else would she call, she never has cared to comment on anything before?
Somewhere in all this mess is the truth and these people know what happened.jmo
TJ Hart – The police should respond to such a situation willingly whether or not the person gives their name.
After the “purse snatching” 911 and all the Misty bashing why on earth would the girl want to do that? She asked if she”had to” and was told “no.” THen the Op badgered her. The name thing was nearly 30 seconds of a 2:30 phone call.
Then the op says, “sorry, can’t help unless we witness the road rage” (paraphrased).
THEY SHOULD HAVE SENT A CAR! But they never asked Misty what car she was in so they wouldn’t have been able to find her anyway,
I am sorry, TJ and Tobias but for the love of God can ONE thing NOT be Misty’s fault? Maybe two: This 911 call and global warming. Okay?
It also occured to me that had the children not been with them what would have happened. Possibly a worse case scenerio. Both of these guys are hot heads, in cars ,on a road fighting.imho
Tobias @ 2:46 – More Monday morning quarter-backing. You are NOT in her shoes and you are the least likely among us to allow her an inch of humanity – at least that’s my impression after reading hundreds of posts from you about her.
I’m sure that getting help WAS more important than giving her name BUT that was not the deciding factor. The operator never said, “We won’t help unless you give your name.” Misty probably would have then. She sure would have when the police arrived (obviously, duh).
She thought she was not getting help because her “situation” didn’t qualify. The op said, LE had to witness it. It sounded like a kiss-off to me.
Now I”ll stop posting about this. I’ve done my best to be reasonable about her call and the people who have “read” so much off-base stuff into it.
The dispatcher is not important. WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE IN CARS FIGHTING ON THE ROADWAYS? What difference does it make that she didnt give her name the police were on their way in both calls. At least PCSO made a statement they were not obligated to do that. And if the dispatcher did anything wrong would you want her to be fired? IT IS NOT IMPORTANT IN FINDING HALEIGH.IMHO
Here’s a theory…
Misty asked Ron to go pick her up for whatever reason. So that’s what he did. CJ got butt hurt about it and decided to go on a rampage (on the road). Because both Misty and Ron know that CJ carries a gun, Ron told Misty to lay down or to get on the floorboard of the vehicle. At this point is when Misty calls 911, 911 starts harrassing her (they know who she is) and could care less what’s taking place and won’t send help anyways.
How is CJ’s actions Misty’s fault??? Just curious.
TJ, I am so glad I do not live in the area.
No one is safe on the roads with these people driving like lunatics. I think they should send everyone a pamphlet on what to do if you are involved in a road rage incident, just to protect the citizens of Florida. jmo
Tobias @ 3:46 – I have not been talking about Haleigh or about the road rage incident myself. My concern was IMO the poorly handled 911 call from Misty. In that the dispatcher is very important. One reason is that Misty did not KNOW police were on their way. At the end of that call she (and I) thought they were on their own, police were not coming.
Tobias, help me find what you mean when you say, “At least PCSO made a statement they were not obligated to do that.” (do what? Not being a smart mouth. Just lost)
If CJ would have stayed home instead of going out starting crap, none of this would be going on right now.
Tobias, PC is far from alone as far as road rage incidents and lunatics driving – in the daytime and at night. Road rage is taken VERY seriously where I live. Even when cars have stopped after an incident, the drivers have fought each other and shot and killed one or another.
That’s one reason I do not understand the dispatcher’s apparent lack of interest. It was NOT Misty – she called for help – it was the lack of interest of the dispatcher.
If Ron and Misty had stayed apart and not gotten together again for the “nice night” (puke) then this wouldn’t have ahppened either, Misty had probably filled CJ’s head, and those of his family, with how terrible Ron was to her,and then bam, she’s out with him again. I would be pizzed too.
Ron and Misty being together has NOTHING to do with CJ’s actions in road rage. Put the blame where it should be, ON CJ for ROAD RAGE!!!
Misty was NOT the driver in either vehicles, Therefore Misty is NOT at fault for the Road Rage.
PAW69 @ 3:49 I think it’s a perfectly reasonable theory!
Misty did the RIGHT thing by calling 911. And the reason why she did it instead of Ron is probably because Ron was busy trying to get that lunatic CJ away from them.
with all due respect CJ tells a completely different story. Now, I have heard lies come out of Misty’s mouth, but have not heard any come out of CJ’s mouth before, so I am a little skeptical about what really happened here. This reminds me of the rat in the mailbox incident. And we all know who the guilty parties were there.
Where is the gun at that CJ says Ron had? They didn’t find a gun when they searched him and his vehicle. HMMMMMMM!!!!!!
oceanviewnan:
CJ also has a criminal record that’s pretty serious. He’s the one making some pretty awful threats on the 911 call amd CJ and his father make threats on the phone calls to Misty.
So to me I don’t see any reason to choose to believe him over anyone including Misty.
Hey everyone we do not know all the facts.
What occured prior to the road rage? I would love to hear from someone in that area where ron picked misty up from. Was she at her brother Tommys? I thought she lived at CJs,when did she move out and back to Tommys or did she? This girl cant stay put anywhere, why is that? Why would she not be living with Tommy still? jmo
PAW – Did LE search CJ’s car for a gun? It’s obvious he had one with him (from his own words on the call). He also said he was going 80 in a 45mph and threatened to kill someone. But I don’t suppose that qualifies him for any serious trouble (or charges) in good old Putnam County!
Tobias – And now the fact that Misty has few choices of where to live is her fault. Well, you’re right, she should have a job at Burger King but wait – that won’t pay rent on a dog house. Well, she could live with her “family” (meaning four other adults and three kids in one MH).
Whatever led up to the road rage incident does not justify it.
That would be because Ron and Misty did not file charges in the road rage just the harassing phone calls.jmo
M2C, ya know, I didn’t see anything yet about the search of his car.
Nah, you know that doesn’t qualify him for anything serious. It’s only PC.
You know, doing the right thing is actually wrong in PC.
But that’s okay, Right…
CJ is allowed to make threats, and do high speeds on the road and try to kill people.
Because in the end, it’s all Misty’s fault…
Seriously people, It’s called common sense and it’s right in front of us.
JMHO
I can understand Ron and Misty not filing charges in the road rage incident. For one thing the dispatcher said nothing could be done unless LE witnessed the road rage themselves – so filing a report after the fact seems pretty useless to me (and to them, I expect). No proof.
Also, they DID have proof the harassing phone calls so it makes sense to do that.
So, If Misty just got into the car and they left and CJ went after them, what part of that gives CJ the right to go on a road rage rampage? What if anything gives CJ to go on a road rage rampage? By CJ doing that, he put more people at risk than just Ron and Misty and the kids. CJ did it because he wanted to. No one can control what CJ does except for CJ.
Read the incident report. Ron and Mistys storys do not match. Ron says CJ was parked in the road and Misty says he comes up from behind them. I think if he was in the road she would know that dont you? I think both of these hot heads kept this going there were no innocent parties here. jmo
Oh sorry yes there were innocent parties, the kids in the car, if they really were there.jmo
Actually yes there were innocent people. Misty and the kids. Misty was not the driver. Therefore she is innocent in this case.
CJ probably was in the middle of the road, and they probably got around him. And then CJ probably chased them from that point. Another thing is this, CJ says his vehicle was hit, yet neither vehicles had any damages.
Road rage happens quickly. Ron probably knew who it was in the middle of the road, Misty may not have known until they passed them, therefore her side of it is, CJ was behind them.
Ah hell, it doesn’t matter. There are 3 sides to what happened. And CJ definantly lied. There was no gun on Ron and there was no new damages on his car like he claimed.
Tobias? How was Misty not innocent in this situation? Am I missing something here? Because the only people who were driving the vehicles were Ron and CJ.
Thats also a n odd thing why didnt either one of them put that in the incident report? That the kids were in the car?Did the patrolmen even see kids there? Misty says in the 911 and when she talked to everyone on Levi Page but not to the patrol officers why? jmo
The same reason the dispatcher didn’t tell Misty that the police were on their way.
Tobias: Ron and Misty began their statements describing two different points in time.
1) Ron came up behind CJ and passed.
2) CJ (obviously angered) pursued with lights flashing etc).
Both are correct. Ron started his statement from point # 1 and Misty started her statement at point #2. Both are correct. They do not contradict each other.
I didnt say she was guilty. I just said her statement does not match Rons. She also is making a statement to 911 that there are kids in the car then a different statement to the patrol officers that came to the house. Then she says on air that they were in the car.
Ron also leaves them out of his statement.
There is a big no in the statement for children. Just saying why? jmo
As far as Ron not having a gun when they searched his vehicle it could have been tossed out the window and gone back for later. Also, I am curious about the kids being in the truck, does that truck have an extended cab big enough for at least one child seat? Because Jr is still young enough for one. Also, CJ stated that he blew past a patrol car at a high rate of speed, so presumably Rion did, too. Well, whty didn’t the one who was not at fault stop when they saw the officer? Was it too late? Why didn’t the officer give chase?
Well I’ll say this,
When I was in a similar situation, my heart and mind and blood was going 100 miles an hour. When I did the police report, there were a couple of things I didn’t realize I didn’t put in my statement until after the fact, that had happened. But I went back to the police station and told them and I had to re-do my statement. That’s how nerved wrecked I was at the time. And yes, my kids being in the car with me at the time was one thing I didn’t put down in the statement. I had put down what took place. Not who was all in my vehicle.
So it wouldn’t surprise me if the same thing happened here as well. It happens.
If the gun was tossed, you can bank on it that CJ would have said they tossed it. Even in the dark, you can see when someone is tossing something out the window.
Oceanviewnan, they place dummy cars along the roadways to slow people down during the holidays. That car had no one in it, thats what we were told and I think Misty even says it on the 911 call. Also everyone needs to remember with the holidays PCSO was pretty busy with Drunken disorderlys and domestic violence calls along with the usual drug busts. That would also slow them down. jmo
Tobias, maybe because the police officer was only asking about the road rage incident itself. The children are not key to figuring out who did what.
Also, where do you see either Ron or Misty saying “No” on any report about kids?
If it’s at the bottom under “miscellaneous” please re-read it. That concerns domestic violence which is not relevant to this situation.
You can bet if I had my kids in the car it would be the first thing out of my mouth when the patrolmen arrived. And I would remember if a car was in the middle of the road at the start of this. jmo
oceanviewnan, CJ blowing by the cop car at 80 – 90 mph was at the beginning of his statement just before the road rage incident happened I believe. He was telling the dispatcher where he was and that a cop was nearby – although driving at 80 – 90 CJ would be pretty far away from a parked cop car inside a minute.
Tobias @ 5:05 – Well then I guess that would make you MUCH better at giving a police report after having the wits scared out of you like Misty and PAW69 did.
I’m pretty brave and very very clever and rarely make mistakes when I’m fantasizing about myself too. Unfortunately I live in the real world, I’m human, and Iknow full well that I don’t do everything perfectly all the time. I even goof up royally at times.
Too bad Misty isn’t human – or allowed to be.
On the 911 call I did tell them my kids were in the car. But when I talked to a police officer, he asked what happened and asked me to write a statement about what happened. I later remembered that I didn’t write in my statement about who was in my car. That’s why I went down and re-did my statement. Which Ron and Misty can do as well.
Not everyone can remember every little thing directly right after something bad happens because of everything going on emotionally and mentally. It’s when you have finally calmed down that you realize, “Ah crap, I forgot to do this, or that.”
I was involved at 16 with road rage before it was even coined that. I was a new driver and had my Mom with me. I pulled out in front of two guys and they got mad and started to blow the horn and follow us. My Mom got hystarical and I was scared too. There were no such things as cel phones, I pulled into a KFC and we locked the doors on the car. The one guy got out and screamed at me through the window then left. I will always remember that and even at the age of 16 I knew better than to do what these people did. jmo
Tobias? Are you male or female?
This sounds like a case of two males ego’s getting the best of them . Meaning Ronald could of found out about the calls and decided to see if CJ was indeed after a fight and it escalated from there , CJ could of been shooting off at the mouth during those calls and when he himself were confronted by Ronald he decided to back down . Given the fact that Ronald has a temper , I doubt he would back down from any fight unless it was not one on one . Did that make sense ??? As for Misty , she needs to stay home and or keep out of trouble . Sooner or later the two are going to find themselves into trouble that will bite them in the arses in the end and end up in charges .
As for the new info coming in about Haleigh , could that be about the Tim Homestead was referring to earlier on ??? Sorry thought I would add this part while still thinking about it.
I am female why should that matter? Are you saying that a Man would be foolish enough to confront someone who is clearly violent?jmo
Most females will not do what males do in a road rage incident. Females will do what you did. Males have an ego problem. That’s why males are most likely to do exactly what happened here, vs. male/female or even female/female.
Misty doesnt tell the 911 operator why he is doing this for the same reason she didnt give her name. Because then we would all know. jmo
Paw None of the men I know would act this way with someone they knew could be armed and dangerous. on both sides Ron or CJ.jmo
Also so you know my husband is a truckdriver.
He has a hot head but the smarts to stay alive. jmo
TJ Hart said,in January 4th, 2010 at 3:29 pm “Tobias got near the crux of this entire matter in the 2:46 post….what is more important to these characters…self interest or doing the right thing?”
T J…this is my point EXACTLY. Why people want to give them every excuse and opportunity is beyond me…They NEVER question their actions and just keep comming up with excuses….Enable much?!
Some more history on me if you would like to know my father was a drill sarge in the army for 21 years. He did tours in Korea twice and Nam. I am no shrinking violet.
That is also why I have stated that i am from some disfunction. Imagine being raised by a drill sarge who had post tramatic stress and 5 kids, he also loved his beer. Tough life but all is forgiven now. jmo
m2c♥ said,in January 4th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
“One reason is that Misty did not KNOW police were on their way. At the end of that call she (and I) thought they were on their own, police were not coming.”
For someone to have babysat so much, she should have known that ANYTIME 911 is called they send an officer out…even if it’s just a toddler who accidentally dialed it. No matter what you tell them on the phone, if 911 is dialed and connects to dispatch….you’re gonna get a visit. If she doesn’t know that….she should!
Tobias, I’m glad your husband is smart enough not to have road rage.
My husband is a hot head as well and would not put anyone in danger like this either.
My statement is a statistic of road rage and males vs. females.
The males I know don’t act like that either. But it is a fact that men are like this and it’s a fact that something needs to happen to stop this. This is country wide. This isn’t something new to this country. It happens everyday.
male/male = road rage like CJ and Ron or even worse, like shooting at each other or wrecking each other or getting out and fist fighting.
male/female = female will either go to a place that has a lot of people or if they have a cell phone or another person in the car, they will call 911.
female/female = calling each other a b!tch or worse and flipping each other off and moving on.
oceanviewnan said,in January 4th, 2010 at 4:02 pm ”
“If Ron and Misty had stayed apart and not gotten together again for the “nice night” (puke) then this wouldn’t have ahppened either, Misty had probably filled CJ’s head, and those of his family, with how terrible Ron was to her,and then bam, she’s out with him again. I would be pizzed too”
I totally agree!!!
One thing my father always told me. Live to fight another day. If your dead it does not matter if you were right you are still dead.
Hollys Gmom said,in January 4th, 2010 at 5:31 pm TJ Hart said,in January 4th, 2010 at 3:29 pm “Tobias got near the crux of this entire matter in the 2:46 post….what is more important to these characters…self interest or doing the right thing?”
T J…this is my point EXACTLY. Why people want to give them every excuse and opportunity is beyond me…They NEVER question their actions and just keep comming up with excuses….Enable much?!
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Sooooooooo calling 911 wasn’t doing the right thing? I must be lost or something here lol.
Can someone explain to me how this brings Haleigh home?
Paw, he meant giving her name.
Ron and Misty were together before any of this happened. Then they got married, then they got a divorce. But they also stated they would be together again.
Them being together or not has nothing to do with the road rage that took place. Road rage is road rage no matter who is together and who isn’t together.
Maybe everyone should just stay at home so that bullies like CJ can have road rage by themselves.
PAW69 said,in January 4th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
“Where is the gun at that CJ says Ron had? They didn’t find a gun when they searched him and his vehicle. HMMMMMMM!!!!!!’
They searched him & his vehicle? Is that public knowledge or do you have info the rest of us don’t?
I still say we do not know what led up to this road rage. What happened before they got on the road? jmo
m2c♥ said,in January 4th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
“I can understand Ron and Misty not filing charges in the road rage incident. For one thing the dispatcher said nothing could be done unless LE witnessed the road rage themselves – so filing a report after the fact seems pretty useless to me (and to them, I expect). No proof.
Also, they DID have proof the harassing phone calls so it makes sense to do that.”
So her 911 call and claim wasn’t proof? It was recorded? I thought you said she would gladly have given her name & inof to the cop on scene to press charges, she just didn’t want to do so over the phone….Well which it is? You don’t think the officer she/they talked to asked them if they wanted to file charges? The only proof they needed to file, they already had…so why not file charges???
Right now this is all hearsay on both parts. There are no uninvolved witnesses. That is why no one was arrested. jmo
PAW69 said,in January 4th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
“If the gun was tossed, you can bank on it that CJ would have said they tossed it. Even in the dark, you can see when someone is tossing something out the window.”
Not if they’re behind you and you’re distracted somewhat by being on phone with 911.
Hollysgma, I agree with you about them not filing charges.But if they filed a false report they really would be in trouble wouldnt they? jmo
m2c♥ said,in January 4th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
“Tobias, maybe because the police officer was only asking about the road rage incident itself. The children are not key to figuring out who did what.”
Because if she lied about kids being in the car with them, she would lie about other things.
You can bet if I were in Rons shoes I would never leave home without it. Another thing I thought Ron said he has no enemies? Maybe I heard that wrong? jmo
Hollys GMom @ 5:49
The comment of mine that you posted was in response to someone criticizing Ron and Misty for not calling LE the minute they got home to file a police report (or take the time to file one while on the phone with 911 – which is not the number you call to file a police report. That’s an emergency number.
I can understand that. What the dispatcher said during the 911 call led me to believe there was nothing LE could do while they were still on the road therefore no, her 911 wasn’t “proof” enough to send out a car for them nevermind file a report later. Which is what I believe Misty thought the op was telling her!
I don’t know who decided to send out the officer to get a report. Possibly the fact that a gun was involved (according to CJ’s accusations) obligated LE to investigate.
And yes, Ron and Misty both cooperated with the officer, gave their names etc on the subsequent report as I said they would. And I believe they would have done so if a cop had shown up on the road during or shortly after the actual incident (which is what Misty was asking for).
HGm – Once again you are quoting me out of context. My comment was in response to criticism of Misty apparently not mentioning the children during the police report.
And please see PAW69s similar experience when she didn’t do so either.
I’m sorry. I just can’t make anyone out as all bad and always lying. It’s not realistic.
This is the site I got the info from about no gun found.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m12d31-HaLeigh-Cummings-case-Man-claims-Ronald-Cummings-threatened-to-kill-him
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Also, Hollysgmom….
Hollys Gmom said,in January 4th, 2010 at 5:53 pm PAW69 said,in January 4th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
“If the gun was tossed, you can bank on it that CJ would have said they tossed it. Even in the dark, you can see when someone is tossing something out the window.”
Not if they’re behind you and you’re distracted somewhat by being on phone with 911.
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That statement was made on the fact if CJ was behind Ron. Not the other way around.
Can anyone pinpoint on the map where the police station is in this town? If its a small town why go home drive to the station? Welaka police and PCSO. jmo
I think it’s clear at this point that some people want Misty to stay home in a closet but would find fault with that too.
I have no idea why we – in our chairs so far removed from this situation and these people – would judge some so consistently harshly. For example, to the extent that they’d take the word of a convicted arsonist and criminal like CJ. Especially after his threats of violence on the phone (and his father’s). No way is CJ an innocent victim here or is his version to be believed over anyone else’s.
Hi, m2c and HollysGmon!
Yes, Tobias, but only if LE can prove they/she are lying. This is impossible in this situation unless there was another witness who comes forward.
The LE car on roadside was empty…duh! Otherwise they would have been chased down by it. When an officer sees something like that they are just going to respond. They’re not gonna wait to figure out who the parties involved are. PCSO sent out officers, just like they should have. Misty didn’t want to know LE was comming, if she/they had to make a formal complaint: During or After the fact, then “Never mind”. They both knew that even a formal complaint after the fact would “alert” us all to their rekindled romance.
Moral of the story….Don’t bother to call 911 unless you plan to give your name & full report. It’s like “The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.” Why even call? To have them come out and stop the current situation but then leave the perpetrator out free to assault you again? That’s just stupid. “Help! Help! I’m about to be killed…what’s your name mame?….oh…uh…I don’t want to give it….
What??? Must not need much help then.
I just found it. the police dept is on the corner of 308b and 309 or elm. Why drive passed it?jmo
Tobias said,in January 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm “Can anyone pinpoint on the map where the police station is in this town? If its a small town why go home drive to the station? Welaka police and PCSO. jmo
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I can link a google map I pulled up yesterday but never got around to posting, as a matter of fact I’m gonna post the map points from beginning to end. I know that from Old Shell Harbour Rd to Welatka is a very rural stretch of hwy per google map. I’m going to make a path map with the actual paths maped. I’ll post it later tonight.
Hey Justice!
Tobias said,in January 4th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
I just found it. the police dept is on the corner of 308b and 309 or elm. Why drive passed it?jmo
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ITA Tobias. If CJ was threatened by RC with a gun and road rage , WHY DID CJ JUST DRIVE BY??
That’s what she’s asking…why did BOTH of them “fly by” it? Wait until you see the map….Ron makes a left hand turn to follow CJ onto 308b….Does THAT make any sense? If they were threatened by him enough to call 911, why turn to follow him?
Old Shell Harbour Rd – Starting point of both calls. Misty says they just passed (Old) Shell Harbour 1:12 into call to 911. CJ says he just passed Old Shell Harbour Rd 22 seconds into his call. We are sure this is the point they are at when both the calls are placed. Calls connected approx 50 seconds apart.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Old+Shell+Harbour+Welaka,+Putnam,+Florida+32193&sll=29.51809,-81.665926&sspn=0.014789,0.027037&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Old+Shell+Harbor,+Satsuma,+Putnam,+Florida+32189&t=h&z=16
tTHE POLICE CHEIF IS ON 4TH STREET ISNT THAT WHERE rON LIVES? SORRY HAVE TO CLEAN MY KEY BOARD BBL.
The total miles driven would be 7.85 total from 116 tyler st. and 16 min. at the speed limit.
True they passed where Ron lived , 4th street.
I still think both parties were displaying road rage and there is no innocent party. What I am curious about is what happened to cause it. jmo
m2c, you asked why some people find everything Misty and Ron’s fault??????
I think some must work for Crystal, they keep all the light off her by continuously stirring up crap about R&M.
Have you noticed no one is making a big deal about the fact that CJ is Crystal’s brothers good friend.
It would have been “hot new’s” if CJ were Misty’s brothers friend.
Welatka Town Police Chief – more info »
400 4th Avenue, Welaka, FL – (386) 467-2303
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Welatka+police+Putnam+FL&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=27.643082,55.371094&ie=UTF8&hq=Welatka+police&hnear=Putnam,+Florida&ll=29.479262,-81.670454&spn=0.003699,0.006759&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A
Misty knew they were friends and she even states it in her call to levi page go listen to levi page when she called in. jmo
Too much reading to catch up… What was RON charged with.. per Misty’s interview?
Hollys Gmom said,
in January 4th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
For someone to have babysat so much, she should have known that ANYTIME 911 is called they send an officer out…even if it’s just a toddler who accidentally dialed it. No matter what you tell them on the phone, if 911 is dialed and connects to dispatch….you’re gonna get a visit. If she doesn’t know that….she should!
HGmom,
Well if we are NOW going to go by PROTOCOL we need to include that ANYTIME 911 is called the operator stays on the line until the officer arrives even if NO ONE is talking or doesn’t give their name. If the operator doesn’t know that….she should!!
Pineapple Street (Fruit bowl – due to all of the street names being names of fruits)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Pineapple+Putnam+FL&sll=29.8192,-81.114807&sspn=0.884051,1.730347&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Pineapple+St,+Pomona+Park,+Putnam,+Florida+32181&ll=29.473004,-81.643524&spn=0.02959,0.054073&t=h&z=14
Well, I don’t think Misty could expect a “visit” from a cop while she was on the road since LE did not ask her what kind of car she was in! lol!
Yes, I know CJ told the dispatcher but she never told Misty.
Wow I cant believe people think this Dispatcher has some kind of vendeta against Misty. If she messed up she will pay I am sure possibly lose her job. But really why call for help and not give your name? She knew from all the previous calls she made to 911 that they ask your name. jmo
Why would Ron toss a gun out of his car when he had no expectation that the police were going to arrive/help/intervene during the road incident? lol!
Tobias:
Yes, you will be ASKED. And NO, you do not have to give it to have LE respond. Even the op said no you don’t have to.
WHy is this such an issue for you? What does it matter?
What’s really important is that the operator never asked what kind of car Misty was in which was necessary if LE was going to try to find them on the road to help in any way.
Welatka does have a new police department, however there is only a Chief of Police and 1 officer. I wonder who was working the station that night….Chief or the 1 officer…
Chief of Police Charlie Piwowarski cpiwowarski@welaka-fl.gov
Police Officer Bill Davis bdavis@welaka-fl.gov
And I am not on Crystals sideeven though others think I am. I would be all over this if it were her involved instead of Misty. Just so everyone knows. I dont like being accused of being a hater in any of this. I just want the people responcible for Haleigh going missing to be found out. If its Crystal so be it, but she seems to be off doing her own thing and not causing problems. jmo
Why would LE show up for the road rage with Diane and Misty but not for Ron and Misty?
I realize it’s 2 different counties. But it’s still Florida.
LE didn’t see that road rage going on. But they responded to the call anyways.
Sorry, That just came to mind.
One they were on a major expressway. There was apossible gun involved. Also the woman was there that called. Other cops too. jmo
oh boy! it really sounds like people are debating different issues all in one. and i am way behind in reading, but this is my opinion.
some are very upset about the 911 call. and some are talking about the merits of the whole road rage issue.
i originally heard the 911 calls as professional. i was impressed with the op on the cj call. i thought the op knew exactly how to deal with that call.
i heard the op on misty’s call taking the whole situation seriously. i did not hear any callousness on her part with misty. as a matter of fact i thought the operator had quite a serious tone about the whole issue. i believe that is why she sounded taken-a-back when misty did not want to give her name. i do question the rule or policy or law or the op herself – about how to handle a situation when a caller says never mind. maybe they need a clear rule on that if their isn’t one.
in this particular case you can hear ronald say something like “well tell them never mind then.” and then misty repeats that to the op – something like “well never mind i mean.” it does imply they were not feeling threatened enough to leave their names at that point. personally i think it would have been better to try and keep m & r talking longer, i agree about that. (but, in my mind, not something to have someone fired over.)
(as an aside, i bet r.c. at 26 and having dealt with the law, having his own lawyer, and having a mother who had worked for a sheriff before, knew darn well someone has to witness something. a complaint or a witness to something being wrong for the police to stop someone. i understand they were calling for the police to come and see for themselves and hopefully catch the guy. that is my biggest concern was someone sent to investigate. i hope the multiples comment means that that did happen.)
it bothers me to call for someone to get fired, with out all the facts. for all we know she is an excellent op. especially having heard some doozy 911 calls i hope we are careful about who we get rid of. i really believe letters should be written with very specific concerns and complaints. maybe policies should be changed. or if this op handled this call improperly she could have that issue dealt with.
but, they had better have sent someone out to have investigated the whole issue. if they didn’t/don’t and someone gets hurt, they should have their a**es sued. i, myself at this point am assuming they sent someone because, of what i heard on the c.j. call about multiples looking for him.
seems to me like people really are frustrated with the whole case.
i appreciate treece looked up information on 911 calls. thanks treece!
Interlachen and Welaka Police also use Palatka Police channels. Palatka Fire Department operates on the Putnam County Fire channels.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?ctid=369
You can bet if they had shown up someone would be handcuffed, thrown to the ground and be arested. Then there would have been more of an investigation into what proceeded this incident. And alot of people on here would be screaming police brutality.imho
I’m thinking that after a certain hour, all LE calls are forwarded to PCSO. It may be that PCSO takes all of the 911 calls then turns them over to which ever city the complaint comes from, or PCSO just handles it themselves.
It is my belief that Welatka PD was closed at that time and NO ONE was there.
Tobias said,in January 4th, 2010 at 7:18 pm One they were on a major expressway. There was apossible gun involved. Also the woman was there that called. Other cops too. jmo
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This time it was a highway. CJ said there was a gun involved too. Both parties were there that called on this one as well.
Rons Mom was a dispatch operator. She may still be Iam not sure. jmo
Not at the scene.
Tobias said,in January 4th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Rons Mom was a dispatch operator. She may still be Iam not sure. jmo
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What does TN being a dispatcher have to do with this?
TObias, I agree. I’d be just as unhappy about Crystal having repeated brushes with LE. Maybe it just seems like “so much” because Misty is getting lumped in with her family’s arrests.
Fine! Misty is young and makes some not so bright decisions. OK! She’s human. I’d just for once like to hear a couple of different people say just once “Man, what is this girl thinkin?” instead of constant excuses for bad behavior. Yes! Getting back with Ron after a divorce to keep Ron from being crucified is just bad behavior, on both their parts. They must love the controversy or they would stay apart. If he loved her he would not forsake her for public opinion.
He should be focused on finding his daughter. My husband of 26 years knows the kids come first, if you are in my way you are gone. Love or not. That is what a parent does from the very first breath their child takes. imho
It means he would know what 911 procedures or LE procedures are and how they work.
Heck I think all of us have spent more time on line trying to solve this than any one of the Parents. jmo
It also has to do with why he has Misty make the 911 calls instead of calling it in himself. IMHO
Hollys Gmom said,
in January 4th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
For someone to have babysat so much, she should have known that ANYTIME 911 is called they send an officer out…even if it’s just a toddler who accidentally dialed it. No matter what you tell them on the phone, if 911 is dialed and connects to dispatch….you’re gonna get a visit. If she doesn’t know that….she should!
HGmom,
Well if we are NOW going to go by PROTOCOL we need to include that ANYTIME 911 is called the operator stays on the line until the officer arrives even if NO ONE is talking or doesn’t give their name. If the operator doesn’t know that….she should!!
ms p, you are welcome.
We also have never met, talked to or played with her. How can he even think about Misty or anyone other than Haleigh and JR.?jmo
I am sure the dispatcher had other calls that needed help. How would you feel if your mom was having a heart attack and you couldnt get a dispatcher because these people are comitting road rage? She stayed on until Misty said never mind and hung up.jmo
tobias thank you for clarifying what i said about ron’s mom.
You are welcome.
If Ron was driving 1 vehicle and CJ was driving the other vehicle, How does this situation make Misty guilty of Road rage? And how is this road rage Misty’s bad behavior?
She called 911. They were more interested in her name rather than the vehicle she was in.
Everyone has the RIGHT to be annonymous. Even in a road rage incident. Why she wouldn’t give her name is anyone’s guess. But the matter of the fact is, she was not the one driving. And she was never asked what kind of vehicle she was is, nor what kind of vehicle CJ was in.
Also alot of police dept.s are now under staffed. The largest city next to mine just laid off 30 officers because of the economy.
Also they plan on cutting firefighters too. It is the economy, is Putnam county short staffed?jmo
Tobias @ 742 pm – So Ron needs to lock himself in a closet, too, for the rest of his life (or until Haleigh is found).
I just find this total damnation of every single thing Ron and Misty do to be abominable and inexplicable and the inexplicable, ludicrous (and imaginative) defense of everything everyone else does in relation to them just ridiculous. There is no crediblity in it.
The 911 op should have stayed on the phone long enough to get the info needed to provide assistance. Instead she basically said that LE could not help. She did, though, tell the Sainted CJ to “stay on the phone with me.”
PAW @ 7:50 – The operator did ask for a description of CJ’s car but never asked for a description of the car Misty was in.
PAW – Instead of asking the IMPORTANT questions during a 911 call, the op asks Misty, “1:59 Dispatcher “Why is running you guys off of the road? Is he mad at you?”
Unbelievable!
“HGmom,
Well if we are NOW going to go by PROTOCOL we need to include that ANYTIME 911 is called the operator stays on the line until the officer arrives even if NO ONE is talking or doesn’t give their name. If the operator doesn’t know that….she should!!”
Yes, and she could have tried to call back…we don’t know that she didn’t…The only thing that could have averted his “scandal” for PCSO is IF the op had said “No, wait, don’t hang up….tell me….?”
So I agree she SHOULD have said that, but I don’t think that she was in violation of protocal, technically. That is how they (PCSO) can say No foul. Certainly the FDLE is looking into it as well. If there really was wrong-doing on the 911 dept’s part, they WILL be called on it. Too many people “watching” to just ignore it, if they did wrong.
Yes, M2C, that’s what I meant. Sorry about that.
I just can’t believe the puddle being made into the ocean. LOL.
HGm @ 5:37, You said about Misty, “she should have known that ANYTIME 911 is called they send an officer out…”
I think Misty had hoped that and was very disappointed to learn that it wasn’t true. Her situation did not qualify because LE could not stop it if they don’t witness it.
In addition, how was LE to find/identify the caller in need when the op never asked what car Misty was in?
m2c you said there is no credibility here and you are right but I am now convinced there is an agenda and it is ugly and stinks.
M2C, I never said Misty was guilty of anything.
I do think she should have left her name, why not she called it in. I never said CJ was not at fault either. I said what happened to lead up to the incident. That is what will answer who did what and why.
As a mother that has buried 2 infants I think I know what lengths you would go to to protect your children if they were missing. Mine were premies and I still miss them everyday. It in my opinion would be that much worse to have them missing.jmo
Tobias @ 7:39 – I see very few who are actually trying to solve this. What I see are people determined to blame every single that happens on Misty and make excuses for everyone else.
That’s what a great deal of this discussion has been about.
The solution that is needed (IMO) is for people to be treated reasonably fairly and with some decency rather than villified at every (often imagined) opportunity.
I dont see anyone blaming Misty for anything here. I see people questioning why she called 911 if she didnt want to leave her name and press charges. And why its more important to save face and risk having the 2 kids in the truck possibly hurt in a car wreck. Ron is behind the wheel and he is 26 years old, he should know what to do. jmo
m2c, you don’t think that was a valid question. Any call I’ve made I’ve been asked if I knew “Why..”. Someone might reply, “Well, I might have pulled out in front of them then realized what I had done and he started chasing me” or “Well, I lived with him & his family and now I think it’s a personal vendetta.” or “I have no idea” or “Any reason on the face of the Earth”. Then when they caught the guy they could determine what he may be holding back when they question him. It helps to determine motive and possibly how motivated the person may be to continue the chase. If I were trying to determine motive and how motivated the “chaser” is I would percieve a known “assailant” as more dangerous, especially if romantically motivated; then say a stranger he/she cut off and is now giving chase. It might be very dangerous situation in an area with a larger population, but here, in rural FL, road rage rarely is a deadly situation. Here domestic violence is so rampant, a known ex assailant is far more potentially deadly. I could probably find hundreds of stories about ex’s who killed and none about rural known or unknown person road rage incident ends in death.
tobias, it sounds like you have had some hurt in your own life, a drill sergeant with an alcohol problem instead of a nurturing father and then the loss of 2 babies. I am sincerely sorry for that and believe that is one of the most painful things moms go through. I just can’t understand why you have no compassion for Ron and his loss and the pain of not knowing where Haleigh is. I agree not knowing would be worse than burying my child. I truly am sorry for you but I am for him also.
Putnam county had one not long ago where a woman was shot in the head by a supposed assailent while she was with her husband. It turned out to be the husband friend and the husband who planned this. Holly gma you are right about the needing to know if they knew each other and why he is chasing them. jmo
Sorry it was on the roadway they stopped to help a motorist I beleive.
Tobias @ 8:03 – I am very sorry for your tragic loss. There are a number of people on this blog who have suffered similar losses but I do not see them using that to claim that THEY would handle everything better than Misty and that she “coulda, woulda or shoulda” handled everything better (to your satisfaction, that is) or to justify constant criticism, fault-finding and blame.
You do not know Misty. You are not Misty. Your loss does not provide justification for your unceasing condemnation of her actions or imagining things she could have done wrong and why. I just don’t understand it. I think it’s wrong and it’s horribly unjust
I just can’t let that kind of constant unjustified/unproven and constantly negative assumptions and accusations to stand without questioning them and that’s why I feel I must speak up sometimes.
m2c said:
“The solution that is needed (IMO) is for people to be treated reasonably fairly and with some decency rather than villified at every (often imagined) opportunity.”
I so agree. I think it is high time that EVERYONE is allowed to give their opinion, no matter what that opinion is. Even if it is what some consider to be unfair. I keep hearing you and others say “How can you judge Ron, Misty, etc?” Yet you are judging others as “heartless, mean, indecent, appalling, etc” just because they don’t share your opinion(s). Isn’t that you judging us? Why should you be allowed to do that but we can’t do so with her?
Some things are imagined….and others are witnessed.
HGm – The operator could have gone on to ask anything she wanted as far as I’m concerned including why this guy was doing this IF she had gotten the basic info needed to respond to the call first (or at all). And IF she had made some reasonable attempt to let Misty know that they would help or were at all interested in helping instead of shutting her down the way she did.
m2c said:
“I just can’t let that kind of constant unjustified/unproven and constantly negative assumptions and accusations to stand without questioning them and that’s why I feel I must speak up sometimes.”
HGmom says:
“I just can’t let that kind of constant excuse giving and constantly protective assumptions and accusations of others to stand without questioning them and that’s why I feel I must speak up sometimes.
m2c;
There are peices of those calls missing, from both callers. I KNOW this to be true because they took OUT CJ’s name, just like they TOOK OUT Misty’s & Haleigh’s name from the original 911 call for Haleigh’s abduction. There is more info then we have been given. Probably on both sides.
He for some reason is not acting like someone who is missing his daughter. I have met alot of greiving parents and trust me the last thing on their minds is a girlfriend. Almost everyday you must pry yourself from your bed and do what you must to survive, and believe me you can not help the hurt with anything, many marriages break up unless they are strong.
I do not see Misty and Ron as having a strong relationship. This can go on for years also.
Jan, I have heard you say you have also been through this please help me out here.
Tobias is my boxer dog and I got him as a companion and he helped me through alot of my
depression. I did have other children later. jmo
This is also why I CARE. It must be worse not knowing where your child is. I know where mine are. jmo
This is also why I believe the geniune one who cares is Teresa. I can see it everytime I see her. I know what it looks like, I HAVE LIVED IT.JMO
Tobias, i can not begin to tell you that I KNOW how you feel because I have never lost a child myself. However, I have 3 different friends who have, and I have learned much from them about it and I read books to try to be a support to them. If there is one thing I have learned it is that EVERY parent grieves differently and they have the right to do so. If you have studied, the reason so many couples usually divorce it is because they grieve differently and don’t understand why each other handle it so different. So even more I don’t understand how you can “read” Ron and know he is not “acting” right to be missing his daughter and can’t have compassion for him.
HGm – My comment about the solution was to try to treat the people involved in Haleigh’s disappearance in a reasonably fair manner instead of constantly villifying one or two and imagining all kinds of bad things about them.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I have the right to say that I do not understand their opinions or points of view and yes that I think they are extremely unfair and in fact downright cruel sometimes in their views. I said the same thing about the Ron-haters and I think the same thing about the Misty haters. I think it’s wrong.
Partly because they do not deal in facts, they imagine and make up stuff and and extrapolate beyond the pale – anything to get to make another damning statement about their target.
It’s like watching someone beat someone to a pulp and keep on beating them beyond reason.
But I realize that my opinion on that doesn’t matter and sure doesn’t change anything. I’m just sorry that when I try to suggest some sense of “fairness” – even a drop of it – I get shot down. I guess I’d rather be a bad blogger/person for that reason than for being a hater. And that’s what these constant attacks on Misty amount to – just like the ones on Ron did.
Jan I am giving you written permission on here to check me out. You have my e mail with my real name. My daughters names are Keri and Lydia born 1985 1986. Stark county. just in case someone doubts me.
Tobias said,
in January 4th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
This is also why I believe the geniune one who cares is Teresa. I can see it everytime I see her. I know what it looks like, I HAVE LIVED IT.JMO
Tobias, if you can have compassion on Teresa N I can promise you as much as her heart is breaking for Haleigh it is breaking for Ron and the way people treat him hurts her terribly.
The Orignial 911 call for Haleigh is Missing:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/11/missing.florida.girl/index.html#cnnSTCOther1
There are several thing BEEPED out then at approx 2:44 into call Misty is asked her name. It is REMOVED. Then she is asked for the child’s name that is removed as well. The operator asks for Her middle name…it is removed. There are many BEEPS through-out all 3 calls. This is missing info, any way you slice it. Now it could work in Misty & Ron’s favor…or not.
I am sorry I JUST DO NOT SEE IT. I would never risk my living children, I must even today stop myself from from overprotection, once you go through it you constantly worry it will happen again. You feel if it does you will die too. If he were in this state he would never have taken JR with him. that is just how I feel.
Have you thought that maybe he takes JR. with him because he doesn’t want JR. to get kidnapped too? Do you really think that Ron knew CJ was going to start this road rage BS? He went to get Misty for whatever reason. He probably didn’t expect the other BS to go down.
GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE. PRAY FOR HALEIGH AND FOR JUNIOR. MAYBE SOMEDAY WE WILL KNOW WHERE SHE IS. AND SHE CAN REST.
I am saying if the police thought Misty had something to do with this, that is all it would take. I have discusssed this with my husband (to get the male perspective) and he agrees. She would not be anywhere near that child. And if I suspected the other side of the family I would be having a real hard time with visitation. I am not saying anyone is guilty just that I would not take the chance.jmo
treece,
i am certain t.n. heart is breaking for what her son is going through.
but, that doesn’t mean people are not going to questions ronald’s part when he is in the news.
i really believe if ron wanted to “use” the press to his advantage, he absolutely could. it appears to me, that people are very hungry for any news of haleigh and her family. it feels like many who have never even met haleigh have fallen in love with her and are praying and hoping she is alright. if ron was doing something to help find haleigh or wanted speak out about what they are going through i really believe someone would let them do that. ron or crystal both.
sometimes i really wonder why neither ron or crystal don’t contact simon and jan for one example. i really find it hard to believe they could not get a fair interview with either one and i bet they even would be allowed to talk about any aspect they wanted to about missing haleigh.
yes i have heard s & j question various behaviors of the parents. but, i would be willing if it was my child, to be big enough to ask for help and present my side or come on and ask the public to continue looking for haleigh.
i hope simon and jan forgive my presumptions here. it is what i am hearing from them. they care for haleigh and would do anything they could to help.
and i really believe t.j. always treats everyone respectfully!
well this is my honest opinion. right or wrong. ms. p.
p.s. i even wonder if the parents have ever thanked s & j or t.j. for what they are doing. they should in my opinion. even if someone critized me i would care more about talking about haleigh if she were my daughter!
HGm @ 8:22 –
We discuss each other’s opinions here sometimes. We question and challenge each other. Except – even after reading hundreds of 100% negative comments about Misty by some bloggers – I am not allowed to speak up and question that?
HGm -@ 8:25 – I know there are pieces missing. LE is supposed to “redact” personal information like names and phone numbers. Right now we’re just discussing – or at least I’m just discussing – the parts of the calls that we can hear.
Geez….Can we make Crystal do something ill advised so we can talk about her again, if just to prove that it’s not just Ron & MIsty we are frustrated with? or Chad, some off branch Sheffield? Anybody? Heck, I’ll even settle for Amber.
Here it is folks…either say, at every turn that Ron and Misty are innocent bystanders (no matter the situation), that they are being constantly harrassed unfairly, and that they should not be scrutinized at all….you’re opinion will be seen as villifying, unfairly biased, and out of line.
Maybe Misty is totally innocent of every accusation made against her…except bad judgement at times. If so I’m sure many will feel badly if it is proven, beyond a reasonable doubt that she didn’t have anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance but for MANY she will be held suspect until it is proven exactly who it was. Is it wrong? Maybe. It is for all of us to decide for ourselves, either way. This thing is gonna run it’s course, whether we all come here or other places to talk about it our not. We have no bearing at all on finding Haleigh. We are irrelevant, what we say here is irrelevant to the case and finding Haleigh. Supporting one side or the other, it doesn’t matter. It’s not going to change the one important thing that this is about…where Haleigh is now. Whom ever knows aren’t going to speak up willingly, whether it’s Crystal, Chad, Marie, Ron, Misty, TC, etc. Whoever it is, they are not going to talk readily. They know they’ve committed a very serious crime and they are not going to give up. I used to like to come here and speak my mind about the case, the “players”, theories and ideas, etc. Now it’s just an ongoing battle of tit-for-tat. I’m tired…worn out from it. It’s rediculous. I shouldn’t play a part in it, I just hated to see BNN bacome a site where everyone just stands around argeeing that M & R are always the innocent victims and everyone else, everywhere, no matter what is the “bad guy”. But of course that works in reverse, so the round robin continues…..maybe not.
Like the man on Cops said when asked why they only show blue collar citizens on their show:
“If we could get footage of White Collar criminals running out into the street drunk and half naked, we would definately show it.” paraphrase.
Tobias @ 8:37 – Why would anyone want to or need to check you out personally? I don’t doubt what you say about yourself. I’m just saying that whoever you are, you are not Misty and whatever your experiences are, you (and no one) is in a position to decide what someone else should or shouldn’t be doing (as in grieving or where they take their child or how they live their life). You’re entitled to your opinion on that. But it’s an opinion like the rest of us have opinions.
Tobias said,in January 4th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
“I am sorry I JUST DO NOT SEE IT. I would never risk my living children, I must even today stop myself from from overprotection, once you go through it you constantly worry it will happen again. You feel if it does you will die too. If he were in this state he would never have taken JR with him. that is just how I feel.”
Tobias;
I know how you feel. After my 3rd child died from SIDS (I found him, just minutes too late-he had been sleeping) I developed what the told me at the time was “Blue Baby Syndrome”. It’s where I would have severe anxiety attacks if ANYONE was sleeping too soundly…I couldn’t resist the urge to check to see if they were breathing, even shaking them to see if they would wake up…this extened to my living children’s whole lives. They confronted me at 15 & 13 and told me they loved me dearly for being so protective of them, but that it was too much. They felt smothered and over-protected to the point of being a negative factor in their lives. I still have problems with it from time to time but had “died down” after my kids had gotten a little older but then resurged it’s ugly head when my Gdaughter was born. I don’t think I slept practically the whole first 6 months.
Hi Ms,p, yes, I would agree that Jan & Simon would give Ron a fair interview but I also believe that no matter what he did or said or how nice and professional JandS would be with him he would be crucified on this blog. Think of his interviews on NG that have been debated on this blog. Didn’t really matter what Ron did or said, “he was smirking, had fake tears, said it but didn’t mean it, lied, lied, lied, wasn’t grieving, talking for Misty, must be hiding something bla bla bla”. Those interviews didn’t bring Haleigh back, why would he think coming on here would do anything except cause him grief??
I do believe that you have good intentions in what you say, we just disagree and that’s ok.
Have a good evening.
I also can still hear Cobra crying for Haleigh and saying that he felt these people cared more about themselves and their secrets than her. I truely beleive he cared and maybe he cared too much. He put everything on the line, he lost the woman he loved and is risking jail time. Have any of the parties shown this much love for her? To lose everything, even love? Who cares about Haleigh?jmo
Treece, You would do anything, walk on fire, be crucified, and give your own life to make the hurt stop. Trust me what anyone says does not matter when you are focused on finding your child.jmo
m2c….you are correct. You do also have a right to your opinion(s). I think I’m just frustrated because I havea hard time with your unflinching loyalty to R & M. No matter what comes or what goes on, I can count on you to defend them. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing. I don’t want to stand around agreeing with everyone that M is bad or Ron either. That’s boring as h*ll.
My only other issue is that while the people who are questioning R & M and their behavior are openly talked about and negatively, I might add. I don’t see much of the reverse. I have been the only person to use deplorable (only because you did first). We’re hard-hearted, unsympathetic, mean spirited people. Yet we haven’t made the same type personal judgements of you or others who are in total support of them.
HGm @ 9:02
Fairness is not as you said, “…either say, at every turn that Ron and Misty are innocent bystanders (no matter the situation), that they are being constantly harrassed unfairly, and that they should not be scrutinized at all….you’re opinion will be seen as villifying, unfairly biased, and out of line.”
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Fairness means sometimes thinking “It could be this way or that way.” Or sometimes even thinking something neutral or positive about a person instead of always negative or always positive about someone.
Not being fair means ALWAYS finding fault in one person and if one can’t find it, then making it up (and dictating their lives). And it also means NEVER finding or allowing any flaw or fault or negative thing to be said about someone (as the Ron-haters protected Crystal).
Neither is fair. Neither is balanced. Neither is even realistic.
I am not saying Ron had anything to do with Haleighs going missing. I dont believe he did. I just question (from my personal grief and from friends grief) how he can rationalize
away Misty not being involved in any way.
How can he trust her so completely. People never trust each other that much even after years of being together.imho
HGM @ 9:19
I am NOT in total support of Misty or Ron or anyone else connected with Haleigh’s disappearance. Never have been and I’ve said it a dozen times.
But the constant 100% condemnation of one or the other of them forces me to speak up and mention that some things it could be viewed another way.
My only purpose is to bring up another way to look at something, another interpretation of something instead of allowing only the negative to stand.
It’s a shame really that the condemnation of Ron and Misty has been SO harsh and constant for so long that it has driven me to have to do this so much recently – but it has not been to defend them as perfect or innocent people.
It has only been in the interest of fairness. To let the other viewpoint, the other possibility see the light of day.
Here’s an example but not a real one.
Ron takes Jr with him somewhere. Blogger A says, “Ron should not take Jr anywhere if he really cared about him.”
Well I have to say, “Maybe Ron feels like Jr is safer with him and as his father he wants him close to protect him.” There are two points of view about Ron taking Jr out. I would like more than just the negative one to be mentioned.
I also do not believe Misty did anything to Haleigh. I do believe she is indirectly involved in what happened that night. Someone in this did something to cause events to occur and they are afraid of going to jail for the rest of their lives for it. And so they are trying to cover it up and hope it goes away.jmo
Tobias @ 9:30 You said, “how he (Ron)can rationalize away Misty not being involved in any way.”
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We can’t know that he is doing that. There is no way to know what he’s thinking. Sometimes he may think she was and other days he may think she’s not. He may be staying in touch with her BECAUSE he doesn’t know. Trying to find out or decide one way or another.
There is just no factual basis on which to state (as if it is fact) that Ron is rationalizing away that Misty is not involved.
HGm @ 9:19Pm
Oh, if only it was just “questioning” R, M or anyone else. That would be great!
What I feel I have to respond to is the constant condemnation ( a lot different than questioning) and fault-finding with one or the other person and the refusal to see or even sometimes acknowledge the possibility that maybe it wasn’t wrong, or it was someone else’s fault.
For example (and this is not real) someone taking CJ’s word for Gospel over anyone else’s.
If I was to respond to that saying, “Why? We don’t know him. He’s a criminal. We have no facts to support that,” it does not mean that I think CJ is at fault and Ron isn’t.
I’m only trying to point out that it could be either one or even both at fault.
M2C you missed my point. I did not say anywhere that Ron should not take Junior out. I meant that I would never have taken him anywhere near Misty until she is 100% cleared in this. Sorry that is just the way I feel.
I am not alone in that feeling in the Hasanni Campbell case the Aunt and her boyfriend are the last ones to see him. DCSF took his sister away and she is in protective custody.
They have no evidence that these people did anything wrong.
This is just an example of ways dcsf can protect children when they are precieved to be at risk. Precieved being the main word. I would not risk losing my living child to any perceived risk. Right now Ron should be very careful, Crystal was after Junior, he cant risk anything going wrong. He needs to stay away from anyone who is of interest in this case. That is what I MEANT. IMHO
Hollys Gmom said,in January 4th, 2010 at 9:57 pm TALLAHASSEE – Under the watchful eye of the National Rifle Association, the Legislature on Tuesday sent the governor a bill that allows people to shoot an attacker in their homes or in public places. (Thank you Govenor Bush.)
Under current law, a person acting in self-defense outside the home, workplace or car must use every reasonable means necessary to avoid danger before using deadly force. That, said NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer, is “absurd.”
The new law would legalize retaliation. The bill says: “A person does not have a duty to retreat if the person is in a place where he or she has a right to be.” A person who uses force in such cases and is not violating another law could not be charged with a crime or sued.
The bill also says a person has “the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so, to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.”
Hammer said that means a person being attacked with a knife can respond with a gun, because a knife is capable of causing serious injury or death. (Ok, I was off on the knife part, I forgot about a knife’s deadly capabilities are just as bad as guns)
The long-time gun lobbyist said the bill is needed because of cases such as the elderly man in Pensacola man who shot and killed an intruder who refused to leave his property last November.
James Workman killed Rodney Cox after Cox darted into a trailer where Workman’s wife was. The couple was living in a trailer after their home was damaged by Hurricane Ivan. Prosecutors decided not to charge Workman with a crime.
He said he opposed the bill because it would “dramatically change” law by giving people who are attacked the right to use deadly force in a public place without fear of civil or criminal prosecution.
“We’re going to have open season in our communities, as it relates to confrontations,” said Rep. Frank Peterman, D-St. Petersburg.
“We opened Pandora’s Box, and inside that box will be death to some persons,” Joyner told the House.
By STEVE BOUSQUET, Times Staff Writer
Published April 6, 2005
This Law is currently in effect in FL….maybe we should just be glad CJ made that call….he could have handled it himself…and MIGHT have even been within his legal rights.
http://www.law.miami.edu/studentorg/miami_law_review/issue_archive/pdf/vol63no1/MIA102.pdf
A full desription & definition of the Stand Your Ground Law by Miami Law review.
And Welcome to Florida…did you bring your gun, lol.
This is not to be percieved as a threat, just a little joke from a person who has to try to live or stay alive under such a “blanket” law.
Can you imagine getting away with killing someone because you “percieved” a serious threat to your person or dwelling….only….Blam!. It’s rather scary…I’m glad more people don’t take it seriously.
I also dont think we will know who is at fault until we know what caused the road rage in the first place. I dont think either party thought I’ll just go out for the fun of it and run someone off the road and get 911 and police involved. Something major happened to get someone that angry. Or it could be as simple as someone not liking to be followed and reported on. What ever it is neither party is saying. jmo
I agree that my always or nevers are over-generalizations. I do agree it might be unfair to use either. Some people will never vacillitate on their views. Ok…what can we do? No matter what their views are, they feel the way they feel…just like you. We can’t ask anyone to not comment, it would be wrong anyway if we did. At the same time, while we might think that their views are off, wrong, or even over-stepping, we should try to refrain from posting personal judgements about the commentor(s). (Unless it’s Hairy or his like) Yes, say you disagree, or state your side. It is counter-productive to put one another down for their beliefs. Mine, yours, or otherwise.
Tobias;
I too want to know what really sparked this thing off. Where did it really start? Where were they when he ran them off of the road the first time? We never heard a location. Just curious.
There has been much talk through the months about how people hope Haleigh can meet Jan someday and see all her articles about her and how much love has gone into Haleigh. I too, hope she gets to meet Jan& Simon and knows she was never forgotten and prayed for everyday.
HOWEVER, I will hate for her to see and hear all the trash that has been spoken against her dad and Misty on this blog.
I think she will have trouble believing she was so loved while her dad so hated. This is doing nothing to help Haleigh. It is making me sick how much hate and bashing goes on here. I don’t know if some of you are hired to do this or if it has just become a game but I will no longer participate in this kind of trash. I hope you are all happy with your choices and I wish you all the best.
Treece said:
?m2c, you asked why some people find everything Misty and Ron’s fault??????
I think some must work for Crystal, they keep all the light off her by continuously stirring up crap about R&M.”
This is not always the case. There are a lot of people who are unhappy about Ron , Misty & their bs that don’t work for Crystal, KP, or any other person other than themselves and their beliefs.
See folks, if you say negative about either of them, you must work for Crystal…..give me a break. We’re not talking about Crystal right now because…..Crystal was NO WHERE near this incident….even IF he knows Crystal’s brother, he also knows Misty VERY well. Don’t you worry you pretty little head none….Crystals’ side is going to get a “beating of the bushes” as well. I’m sick and tired of being constantly accused of being in the “employ” of Crystal. If I am, I’ll bet money others are tired of it too. Not everyone is on Crystal’s payroll, ok. Some of us just don’t believe Misty and/or Ron.
Can I ask a question without someone saying I am bashing Misty?
Does anyone really believe she has no idea why this happened? Why CJ supposedly was trying to run them off the road and then made harassing calls on her voicemail(which he knew she could use to charge him with phone harassment)
do you believe she has no idea what trouble Ron has with CJ in the past? She has to know something she keeps claiming at every turn not to no anything thats going on here or anywhere in this case.The sad thing is, is Ron probably has no idea why this happened.jmo
If you question her ability to tell the truth, Tobias…that will be bashing…Not MHO though.
There has been much talk through the months about how people hope Haleigh can meet Jan someday and see all her articles about her and how much love has gone into Haleigh. I too, hope she gets to meet Jan& Simon and knows she was never forgotten and prayed for everyday.
HOWEVER, I will hate for her to see and hear all the trash that has been spoken against her dad and Misty on this blog.
I think she will have trouble believing she was so loved while her dad so hated. This is doing nothing to help Haleigh. It is making me sick how much hate and bashing goes on here. I don’t know if some of you are hired to do this or if it has just become a game but I will no longer participate in this kind of trash. I hope you are all happy with your choices and I wish you all the best.
treece i would not care if the blog did crucify me. i would come on as much as anyone would let me. it would probably even be good for the parents themselves to feel they were doing everything they can. and i do believe more people would give ron and crystal a break and try to understand than those with unfair judgement in their hearts.
i don’t believe it is helpful to say ron is a victim so everything he does is okay. we can understand the behavior, but, with a missing child, i thought many are just trying to help, by trying to figure out what everything means. i thought that is the purpose of us discussing it all.
going on nancy grace is not really being interviewed in my opinion. it is purely for ratings. to me nancy deliberately manipulates people for sensationalism. nancy is a user in my opinion for caring first middle and last about the ratings first, not the people involved. that is what i saw when i watched r and c going on that show. desperate parents and she was making things about her and her phony tears. that is my opinion. to me that is much worse than anything that the vast majority on this blog have ever done. most are just talking to others about what they think. (can you tell, that is a hot button for me – ms. n.g.)
i have been vilified with terrible accusations, so i would never wish that on anyone. but, i believe people are judging the specific behaviors in this case and are trying to figure out what it all means. i agree we should always try to remember to be careful to express things as opinions and not facts.
thanks for appreciating, i was making that post sincerely. and i hope you have a good evening too.
I really wish some of those who just read here, or come to get the latest “news” but don’t post…would weigh in on this….how many are staying silent rather than be “bashed” themselves? No matter what you’re views are. How many think it’s wrong for those who support Misty/Ron to insist that those who don’t MUST work for Crystal? How many of us all really feel that Misty knows more than she’s telling, and on purpose, in both Haleigh’s disappearance and this incident? Every attempt is being made to silence those who are not in favor of the duo. Speak up…or it just might work….some are getting tired of “bickering” and defending themselves, on both sides. I know I am.
Tobias @ 9:59 – I used the situation as an example (Ron taking Jr out) – not your comment about it.
@ 10:09 – I agree.
HGm @ 10:13 – I know. I’ve been put down – and people have attempted to silence me about my beliefs including theories on the case that are now – with a different group of people – being “allowed.” And I’ve been falsely accused of a lot of things.
It is unfortunate that you equate disagreement with being “put down.” I think that’s one of the basic problems. A disagreement is not a put down but some people take it that way.
THAT is what is counter-productive and causes problems on the blog.
I think it is reasonable – and I’m not the only one who has noticed or mentioned – to ask why some have a 100% no-matter-what negative (or positive) position about Ron or Misty or whoever. Especially when we’ve tried to leave comments respectfully pointing out other views.
I do not see the harm in encouraging some fairness. But I know now that it does no good so I’ll stop that and just respond to individual comments with my own opinion. I hope that’s okay.
Holly gsmom, I am with you 100%. When Crystal does something like this I will be all over it too. I am for finding Haleigh and if any of these sideshows leads to what happened to her I will follow them and give my opinion even if no one likes it.
I dont see myself bashing Misty or Ron. I just do not understand how these people can attract such trouble without causing some of it.
I dont believe they are totally blameless sorry.jmo
Tobias said,in January 4th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
tobias i agree with everything except the last 2 sentences. i think all three know what “it” was all about.
i agree with those thinking ron (maybe understandably) at least participated at some point with whatever happened. it sounded like he did not remove himself from the situation for the sake of having misty and the children with him. that is my impression from the car noises on c.j. 911. (if that is ron.) unless there are unbiased witnesses i wonder what the state can do???
i am inclined to believe if they had kids in the car r.c. did not start the “whatever”. i really hope so! at least on this particular situation. none of us no what precede that car fight.
Maybe TJ will find out what happened prior to the road rage and solve this. Good night all.
i have been wanting to weigh in on the fact, that i feel some posts are challenged against the poster as opposed to the post. also i have seen some people personally challenged if they post about feeling or believing or trying to figure out if ron or misty are involved in any capacity. i have read some strong words occasionally against those bloggers (including holly’s gmom) instead of debating what someone says.
also, the article is about ron and misty and c.j. and their road rage. so how do we balance that with crystal or anyone else involved? that is the real challenge!
clearly some of the problem is communicating through a blog. but, sometimes it feels like it is done to control opinions by intimidation. i really appreciate efforts to keep all the posts fair. it is a real challenge with this case. and,we really do see everything differently which is what is wonderful and what is a challenge here!
i have seen some posts i wanted to challenge the tone, but, did not want to keep the issue going so i didn’t say anything. (i mean that about all of us, no one in particular.) so many here, are dedicated posters. lets find a way to not take things to personally when we have different points of view.
i know every time i post, i worry if i am saying things right to make my intentions clear. it is a challenge for me. so i hope everyone will understand i am trying to say this the best way i know how! please don’t throw computer eggs or computer tomatoes at me! if you can help it!
but, i do really learn from you all, so please feel free to correct me! (handshake) 🙂 🙂 🙂
when Misty first came back to town I thought she stayed with Brandy, the girl she got robbed with. Then we know she was living at her brothers after the restraining order was dropped due to the fight that went down between Hank Sr. and Tommy at 8 o’clock in the morning. Misty and Christina Prevatt were stated as living there and present at the time of that incident. It was after that fight that Misty went to stay with CJ.
In both 911 calls they both state passing a police officer, but neither bother to stop and ask for help. I do feel the 911 call was not properly handled on Mistys call. I strongly believe both Ron and CJ were provoking one another. I believe Misty ran her mouth to CJ and his family and now she is playing victim once again. I am not sure who started it, but the other was not backing down. Ron was already at his home when police caught up with him. I believe this could explain why the children were not mentioned except in the 911 call and Mistys interview. They were already taken out of the vehicle. That is if they were even in there at all. If Ron did have a gun it was already removed before police arrived. CJ was on 308B when he filed his complaint. The incident never mentioned that CJ had a fire arm in his possession. Misty did say Ronald was charged with something, but she did not know what it was for. I believe she knows quite well what the charge was.
i thought misty was telling a different story then ronald. about how it all started. was charles in the middle of the road or did he come up behind them?
m2c♥ said,in January 4th, 2010 at 4:47 pmTobias: Ron and Misty began their statements describing two different points in time.
1) Ron came up behind CJ and passed.
2) CJ (obviously angered) pursued with lights flashing etc).
Both are correct. Ron started his statement from point # 1 and Misty started her statement at point #2. Both are correct. They do not contradict each other
i relistend to misty 911. misty says “there was a car at the” and then r.c. interrupts her to say the license number. so that is probably correct about different starting points in the report. thanks m2c
Can someone check into an alleged report that Ron was again threating CJ with a gun 1/3/2010 or early morning 1/4/2010. I recieved info out of Satsuma that this alleged incident did occur. If someone there has a scanner perhaps you heard the call in to police; if this incident did in fact occur. There was the incident just before Christmas about Ron harrassing CJ, now the road rage and now an alleged report of another incident between these two.
Greatly appreciated
I’ll check around to see…..BRB
Hello ladies,
I read here all the time and don’t always post. The behaviour tonight is one reason I sometimes refrain. Some people just have to learn to state their view and move on. No one wants to try and read 18 posts about how to disagree correctly.
Re: the Incident
CJ knew it was Ron in the truck and M & R knew it was CJ in the car. I think each side was just trying to be first to get the other trouble. There is some history there that is very interesting indeed.
Another note: Le says new info has come out in the article about Crystal. The article also said they had just met with the Sheffeild’s. Maybe the new ‘info’ has nothing to do with Ron or Misty.
Just late night thoughts….
looking for justice:
We didn’t hear “who” it wasn’t stated over the scanner but at the precise moment Misty was introduced last night(on the Levi Page show) a call came into dispatch for assistance from Charlie Jones. It originally was classified as a disturbance, was changed to a threat/harassment call and then changed to information after the officer spoke to the Sgt. I find it not a coincidence that this happened at the precise time that Misty was appearing on the Levi Show. We are keeping our ears open. There wasn’t much to the call-a lot of it was protected from the public through private channels. There was also a disturbance call to 118 Tyler St. (the Croslins live at 116) heard early this morning. The rest of that call was scrambled, too.
Here is a link you can listen to the Putnam Co. sheriff and/or fire scanner-it is free.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=369
and a link to the codes
http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Putnam_County_%28FL%29#Putnam_County_Law_Enforcement_Codes
If you have ties to Putnam Co. I was wondering if you can find out from the incident report of Ron’s uncle Donald Squires arrest on 10/27 for battery charges who the victim is that he assaulted? I have heard it was Charlie Jones but have never seen proof. Thanks!
Ms P – Your post @ 10:34 – Well put. I agree.
HGm 10:13 and 10:30 – Completely off-base, you’ve once again totally mis-stated my position and purpose and turned a discussion about Haleigh into a popularity contest.
Do you really NOT understand the concept of fairness that I was trying to get across?
Please read my 9:22, 9:35 and 9:58 posts and try to understand them before again trying to whip a crowd into a frenzy against me.
I could have sworn that yesterday I read a post by someone claiming to be CJ… talking about Misty climbing out the bathroom window to leave Ron. However, I don’t see it anymore. Can anyone shed some light??
Am I trippin… or is it the new Insomnia meds? 😀
I think that it was removed…not sure though….
m2c:
I’m going to answer you…..I just need a few minutes…been up for over 24 hours now, worked for 8…I’ll answer…
HollyG, did you see it too?
Hey! What happened to my “force with force” information? I’ll repost.
OH BTW, Just “interviewed” my friend from Hastings w/ FL Dept of AG about his personal feelings as to Haleigh’s where-abouts, and what may have happened to her. He states that she COULD be alive still, since there had been many searches turning up nothing ie: no bones, etc. He thought the MA lead might hold some truth…he thought it was odd that after LE went there, we didn’t hear anything more about the “sighting”. It just “disappeared into the mist. Then he went on to say that she could have also been taken to an even more rural area and disposed of, like the everglades type of thing. He felt sure she was taken by car to where ever she is now. The trail from initial dogs stopped then circled on Tyler….then from there to Buffalo Bluff Rd and parts unknown. I said to him “Gosh, the dad & girlfriend sure don’t make themselves look too good, look kind of guilty”. He laughed and said “That family’s got problems, huh?” I said “Yes, mostly hers, but lately it seems pretty tit-for-tat”. He agreed. They have only arrived here yesterday from Satsuma area. They of course know what is currently going on there. I will be speaking with him again tonight/tomorrow morning. It’s nice to talk to an actual local. They’ve been staying here at this hotel off and on all year.
I also hope to speak with another gentleman from the FL dept of Ag who actually lives in Satsuma. I’ll report back what I find….
No cent I didn’t…can you paraphrase?
Have you seen the post on the other thread? The one begging Misty to come clean before the “other people” catch up to her????
I’ll go get it…
HGm – No rush (lol!) and please PM me. You’ve made your blanket (and inaccurate) accusations, tried to get out the “vote” and I’ve expressed my feelings about that.
I’m sure other people have had quite enough of this so please PM me if you have anything more to say about this subject as I will PM you if I have any more to ay about it – although I probably won’t.
From the “New Information” article comments section:
looking for justice said,in January 4th, 2010 at 11:16 am
“Hello Everyone, I hope you all had a nice holiday.
I was over in Satsuma on the 24th, 28th and on Jan 1st. I was talking with a group of people there and they told me that someone did go to PCSO with info on Haleighs disappearance. IF the person is telling the truth they told these people that Misty told them what happened the night of Haleighs disapperance and they took this info to PCSO but they were not aloud to tell anyone the info they gave PCSO. They all said that Misty was still staying with this guy Charles up until the 29th of December.
They said that Misty and Ron just reconciled on the 30th. They also said the media attention was still heavy on the 1st. I did ask them about what someone reported here in the blogs just prior to Christmas about it being heard over the police scanner that Charles had called in and said Ron was harrassing him. They said that it was what they had heard also. These folks now believe Misty has the answers and I did ask them not to get involved to let law enforcement do their job. I let them know that I do understand their frustration and anger and their not alone.
I will tell you a true incident that happened to one of my relatives that live in Satsuma. It was approx. 10:00 pm at night. They heard a noise and looked outside. A man had parked their car and was pacing back and forth on the dirt road in front of their home. My relative being elderly got very nervous and called 911 for someone to respond; it took LE an hour and a half to respond and the man was outside their home for about one hour. On their road there are only 3 mobile homes and they are not close. Anything could have occured in the time it took them to respond. These roads are private roads so they are not patrolled you have to call and invite the LE in.
Misty please go to LE and come clean. These people are very upset with you. They said they are going to be looking for you. Noone has to even ask them to. I did try to persuade them into doing what is right and maybe they listened. I hope so. There only concern is Haleigh. Just like all of us here at BNN. We want Haleigh home!!!”
People aren’t going to sit idley by as this little girl’s disappearance get’s “swept under the rug”…..Misty, you better cut that deal first….firsties always get the better deal.
Hmmmm I’ll think about it….
Here are some of Kim Picasso’s exact statements about her Client Crystal Sheffield, the mother of missing child Haleigh Cummings. The entire transcript can be found on the Art Harris website. A link is posted at the bottom of these quotes of the exact words of Crystal Sheffield’s lawyer Kim Picazio.
Kim Picazio on Crystal Sheffield, Marie Griffis and where their focus was in the time Haleigh Cummings had just gone missing.
In fact, days before the child went missing, Crystal had been served with a Motion for Contempt and a notice to appear in court for failure to pay child support to the custodial parent. Crystal had paid less than one thousand dollars ($1.000) of her child support
obligation since 2005. Of course, in the initial months of Haleigh’s disappearance, the last thing that I thought was appropriate would be to seek a modification of child support based on the fact that one child had been abducted. At all times, Marie Griffis felt we should file a court action lowering the amount Crystal was to pay to Ronald Cummings for support. Such an action was, in my opinion, highly inappropriate while investigators were still actively seeking to find little Haleigh and 0bring her home safely.
They (Crystal and her family) firmly believed that the family’s telephones and homes were being wire tapped, and that they were under surveillance by authorities, the media, and the Cummings family. The picture that was initially presented to me upon my entry into the case was much different than what I later learned to be factually true Marie Griffis. Marie was at all times outspoken, demanding, and extremely controlling of Crystal. She insisted that certain aspects of the case be divulged to the media. Mostly, this information related to negative rumors about Ronald Cummings. I learned that Marie Griffis had already begun a rather formal and publicized campaign for donations for her family. When I first arrived in Satsuma, I noted a handwritten poster at the family’s Haleigh Tent advertising a raffle for a Ford Expedition to take place on March 16, 2009. Further, the family and their friends had organized charity events in Haleigh’s honor at local businesses, set out donation jugs in town and at the tent, ordered tee shirts, pins and other trinkets with Haleigh’s picture and information displayed, and were selling these items for a profit to locals and tourists. All proceeds were, at that juncture, unaccounted for to my knowledge, and were being spent as they came in by the Crystal and Marie Griffis.By early May, 2009, I was informed by Marie that all funds from donations had been spent by the family Marie Griffis expressed her desire to form a nonprofit organization to seek donations from the public. I became aware that Marie had already been in negotiations with a concert promoter to hold a concert event to honor Haleigh, and to gain contributions and funds. . Ihighly disagreed with such organized efforts to raise money in the name of the search for Haleigh Cummings. Crystal and Marie never funded one searvh for Haleigh Cummings and paid NONE of the costs of the Haleighbug Center. Kim Picazio paid for the Haleighbug Center. Crystal and Marie kept all the money for the “searches” Crystal’s seeking of donations was insidious, and was an attempt to make a living off her own missing child
Kim Picazio on Crystal Sheffield and the custody issues with Ron Cummings over Junior and Haleigh Cummings.
Upon reviewing the court file, I found that my client had not been completely honest with me regarding her involvement in the Paternity proceedings of 2005. Affidavit of Service of
the original Petition for to Establish Paternity, personally served on Crystal Sheffield. Crystal then missed the Final Hearing.I realized that I had not been given thorough or accurate information regarding the procedural history of the paternity action. The procedures followed by the Court were standard. Crystal had had her day in Court, and had lost – fair and square. Crystal and her family, in an effort to raise her public image, had told numerous media outlets that the only reason that she did not have custody of her children was that she was not served with court papers, and had lost custody by default. Also, she claimed on national television that Ronald had kidnapped the children, and that his family, through their collusion and “connections” in the courthouse, made sure that Ronald retained custody of the children. This claim was simply untrue, and I was wholly unwilling to corroborate their previous version of the court file. I spent numerous meetings with Crystal and her mother, explaining that I could not attest facts that were untrue to the media, or to anyone else. At that time,I believe that a wedge began to form between Marie Griffis and I.
Kim Picasso on Crystal Sheffield and her drug abuse issues.
Crystal’s former private investigator William Staubs entered into a contract for investigative work with Crystal’s Father, Johnny Sheffield. Surprisingly, Crystal’s own father began doing interviews with avant guard media forums claiming that Crystal had a present drug problem, and was in need of rehabilitation. ,
Crystal Sheffield suffered a seizure while driving her vehicle with her infant daughter
in the car. Upon learning of the car accident, I was then informed by Crystal’s fiancé
for the first time that Crystal had been previously instructed not to drive her vehicle by her
primary care physician, as she had suffered seizures in the past. Unbeknownst to me, Crystal’s father had come upon the scene of her car accident to assist his daughter. Crystal’s Father has allegedly executed a sworn affidavit stating that when he came upon the scene of the accident, Crystal admitted to being on prescription pain medication (unprescribed), and gave her father the pills to hide from the police who were on their way to the accident site
The Department of Children and Families became aware of the allegations of drug use by Crystal. DCF requested a random toxicology test of Crystal Sheffield, during the course of their investigation, as they found it relevant to investigate Crystal’s fitness as a parent.
At that time, in June 2009, I learned from DCF that Crystal’s infant daughter, Chloe,
not even one (1) year of age, had been born with illegal narcotics in her system due to
Crystal’s drug use during her pregnancy. .
I felt as if I was only being told relevant information by the family, after a fiasco
had occurred. I could not represent a client who was not being honest with me, and was
taking illegal drugs. To make matters worse, In April 2009, Crystal admitted to me that
she had taken unprescribed pain medication. Further, her mother, Marie Griffis, reported
to me that Crystal had stolen her step-father’s pain medication after he had surgery in April.
There was evidence of her recent drug use and driving while under the influence of unprescribed pain medication. Further, her own Father had strongly represented to the media that he would testify that she was not fit to care for her children, due to her consistent drug use.
Despite Marie Griffis demanding I file a modification proceeding to seek custody of Crystal’s son in Ronald Cummings’ care, I was not willing to lie to the Court, and I did not feel that such an action would be successful. Marie Griffis became increasingly angered at my hesitancy to file a court action
for a change of custody. In good faith,was simply not willing to file such a pleading,
knowing my client was using drugs.,I informed Crystal and Marie on several occasions
of my recommendations and my opinions, but it was met with anger and frustration. There were many times that I requested private meetings with my client alone, as otherwise, her mother would insert her own feelings and demands on me and the case strategy, leaving Crystal’s feelings and desires unheard and discarded.
Kim Picazio On Crystal Sheffield and her involvement with her children Junior and Haleigh Cummings.
Crystal had never complained about her complete lack of involvement in her children’s lives since 2005. She did not attend doctors or dentist appointments, or even know who their medical care providers were. She did not ever visit the children during the week, even though her Final Judgment provided that the alternating weekends were a minimum visitation schedule, and permitted her to see the children duringthe week upon notice. Crystal did not speak with her children over the telephone during the week, and her only contact with them was roughly four (4) days per month on alternating weekends. Crystal had not been involved in Haleigh’s school, school functions, and did not even know what school Ronald, Jr. would be attending in the Fall of 2009.
Kim Picazio on Crystal Sheffield and the police investigation.
Although I gave specific recommendations and guidance to Crystal to call the Sheriff’s
Office once per week to check on the status of Haleigh’s case, she failed to do so.
I do not believe she called the Sheriff’s Office for a status report on a single occasion
during my representation.
It was my understanding that Crystal was not a prime suspect in the case.
I attempted to persuade the family that we needed to heed the directives of law enforcement. Unfortunately, my recommendations were met with great resistance and anger by Marie Griffis
This was due to the fact that their animosity toward Ronald Cummings had previously resulted in family members and friends erupting to reporters, cursing, and present as vindictive. Such public animosity and unbridled blame did not serve Crystal’s interests, or make good impressions on the law enforcement team that were investigating Haleigh’s disappearance.
Scanner listener, Thank you very much for your info.
You are right HollysGmom people are not going to sit by and let this get swept under the rug.
The reason I posted about the new info that PCSO had received posted on the 1st of Janurary here at BNN is to let everyone know that I had heard it from Satsuma citizens. I feel LE received this info prior and investigated in order to find out if it were credible before they made a statement. I truely have to believe that LE wants to resolve this case just as much as we want it resolved. Lets just see what happens and pray for LE instead of villifying them. I know it has been along time, but There maybe more that God needs to expose before the truth is found out.
I do not want anything bad to happen to Misty and I would like her to go to LE and tell the truth.
We all know Misty will lie for Ron. Just look at the ratgate incident. Ron already knows how well Misty lies for him. He can take that to the bank with interest.
I agree with another poster that TJ get an interview from CJ. It may shed more light on what is really going on here.
It just reminds me of the rumor that LE came out and denied that sparked fire works back in July when the Croslins said they went there to rescue Misty and Misty and Ron say they came to kidnap her.
Now there is altercations going on with Ron and the Jones family that took Misty in when she had nowhere to go according to her.
Misty seems to cause chaos whereever she is.
mariesilk said,in January 5th, 2010 at 3:48 am
Another note: Le says new info has come out in the article about Crystal. The article also said they had just met with the Sheffeild’s. Maybe the new ‘info’ has nothing to do with Ron or Misty.
Just late night thoughts….
mariesilk if you see this, could you please explain. what crystal article are you talking about. tyia ms. p.
Kim Picazio Respone said,in January 5th, 2010 at 7:59 am
Thank you for this info. I don’t see a link at the bottom to the AH site where the whole transcript is. Could you please try again to post that?
Thank you.
Looking for Justice:
Thank you for that info. I read it on the article where you originally posted it and also responded to it there. I posted my response below just for the heck of it but in response to your comment above I just want to say that I am praying for everyone involved in this case.
I have always been a staunch supporter of LE but I have learned that some LE departments and individuals are incompetent and/or corrupt. Some of our bloggers here have told hair-raising stories from their personal experiences. So I believe we do have to pray for PCSO and at the same time keep an open mind in case there is any BS going on.
Real justice depends on a system of checks and balances and evidence and fairness. NOT blind faith. And that’s up to the public. To demand proof.
IF LE really has new info, I hope it’s true, I pray it brings Haleigh home and I hope it will reveal who was responsible in a way that we can depend upon.
(Below is my response to the info from looking for justice under the article where it was originally posted)
My first reaction is “what great timing for LE” following the request for the release of info under the Sunshine Law.
Also, who’s to say these people are telling the truth? At this point I wouldn’t know who to believe in that whole area.
And, this escalates what I’ve feared for a long time – with LE pointing the finger at Misty and all the bashing and pressure from the public – that some nut will hurt her.
Then what? In fear for her life she gives a false confession or tells LE whatever version of the story they want to hear?
Or maybe someone actually kills her. Wouldn’t that be convenient for LE?
This case and most of the people involved in it plus a good deal of the public response over the last 10 months has jaded me more than I ever expected. I am skeptical of everyone – including Misty and Ron. But without solid forensic proof or physical evidence I don’t know that I will ever be able to believe anything.
HollyG, @7:18
It said that he was at Misty’s house when she told her mother that she was going to take a shower, 30 minuets later he found out she climbed out the window to leave with Ron ??? I guess road rage night.
I don’t know where I read it at.
If Misty gets hurt, I hold LE 100% accountable, and the individuals involved. LE needs to do something and put a lid on all this trouble Le seems to perpetrate amongst the minds of the public.
Thank you m2c. I also replied back to you on the other thead. I totally understand that there can be corruption with in the police dept, but not all within are corrupt. I have to have faith and pray they will get what they need to find Haleigh and sentence those truely involved with the appropiate maximum sentence they can possibly give.
Kool Look how do you blame LE ? Misty does not want protection. It seems whereever she is chaos follows. If Misty is going to continue to run around and do drugs and sleep with whomever she is with she cannot be to afraid. I know there are people that do want to run into her. Yes it is wrong for people to matters in their own hands, but whatever is behind what is going on here you can almost bet Misty is involved. Misty needs to work on growing up and doing something more productive with her life.
If Misty is the key and she goes in and tells the truth to le then LE can get her protection if she wants it. Mistys lawyer cannot even contain her; if she still has one.
You’re right, looking for justice:
And it is perfectly possible that PCSO has honestly been doing the best they can all this time. It just doesn’t look like it sometimes! lol! And sometimes I wonder why they’ve done certain things – like painting a target on Misty’s back for 10 months. Maybe initially they thought that kind of pressure would make her tell them something. But it’s continued and grown until I really fear for her safety – and possibly Ron’s. Nothing justifies that kind of violence. We don’t even know what it is LE thinks they know that Misty is supposedly not telling or what kind of bearing it has on Haleigh’s disappearance.
I’d think that LE would have theories on that and investigate each of them from the “other direction” so to speak – back to Misty. Maybe they’ve tried that and failed.
It’s just so difficult to know anything for sure about anyone involved in this mess.
cent said,in January 5th, 2010 at 6:24 am I could have sworn that yesterday I read a post by someone claiming to be CJ… talking about Misty climbing out the bathroom window to leave Ron. However, I don’t see it anymore. Can anyone shed some light??
Am I trippin… or is it the new Insomnia meds?
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http://www.bloggernews.net/123422
notinit said,in January 4th, 2010 at 5:59 pm this is charles jones 3 and i was at mistys home when she said she was getting in the shower after she was an there 4 like 30 min i told her mom i was going home not knowing she went trouw the window to leave with ronald
Yes m2c if would help a great deal if we received more info on this case. I am with you on not knowing who has committed this crime. That is why I myself will rule out noone until proven otherwise.
looking for justice-you are welcome and I think you and I are on the same page. Thank you for the info. I hope this is the new info. Greenwood was speaking of and it leads to an end to this nightmare.
Misty lies through her teeth for Ronald-it is sickening. I think the Jones’ were trying to help her. But she turned around and chit on them. She’s got a lot of growing up to do.
Thanks to you to scanner listener. Keep us posted if you hear anything. I believe to we are both on the same page as well. One thing I can say for sure as of right now Misty has not chit on Ron. Perhaps she did run her mouth and that is why PCSO does have new info to follow up on. Lets all hope so. Maybe that is why all of this is happening. Charles Sr. did say on the voice mail of Mistys that Ron knows what happened to his beautiful daughter Haleigh, but anger does bring out the worst in people and they make speculated assumptions. Therefore, we cannot take this accussation seriously without some validity.
notinit said,in January 4th, 2010 at 5:59 pm this is charles jones 3 and i was at mistys home when she said she was getting in the shower after she was an there 4 like 30 min i told her mom i was going home not knowing she went trouw the window to leave with ronald
Jan, was this really CJ? Only you would know for sure. jmo
I saw that Levi was trying to get CJ to talk.
Levi left a message for him on his myspace. Maybe he will decide to let us in on the goings on and his side of the story. jmo
ms. p
The tidbit about le having new info was posted at the bottom of the article about Crystal calling for answers. In the article le states that they have met with the Sheffeild’s to ‘get them up to speed’.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=150139&catid=3
Just a thought I had. Maybe the new info is about the mother’s side? Not saying I believe that, but something to think about.
Paw @ 10:59
Thanks… I was not sure what blog I saw that on.
Is Kathleen Jones CJs mom? If she is she was arrested on Dec. 29th for battery touch strike.
Wonder who she struck? Just thought it was odd that it was right before the Roadrage. If it is his mom? Maybe that was what everyone was talking about coming over the scanner? jmo
All Ron and Misty do is get into trouble how about Ron drive around finding his DAUGHTER.He needs to use his gas for something important other than starting shit with someone.Who knows whos telling the truth but in the beginning of C Jones 911 call you can clearly hear a car rubbing their engine.This isn’t the first time Ron has been in a road rage and it’s not the first time Ron has pulled out his gun on someone.For alot of people Ron and Misty can’t do no wrong but this is getting totally ridiculous.
They’re all a bunch of criminals but I must say tho,The Charles Guy sure didn’t panic during the chase,even when shown the gun,and also when he said Ron had just bumped him,not one sign of stress out of him?? Did yall notice,I’d be tore up!!!!!!!!!!!!
To the person who wants to say Crystal is not guilty of anything. How do you know? From what I have read she has given birth to a drug addcited child name Chloe. What problems do you think a child like this may have in the future? On top of that she is guilty of driving on drugs after her doctor told her not do drive with this same baby Chloe in the car.
Where I come from and from what I have read that is felony child endangerment. So, how good has Crystal Sheffield been for her baby Chloe? From where I sit she has put the life of this one year old on the line TWICE and this child is one years old. What good would she be for Haleigh? No wonder the father got custody of those children. She is also guilty of lying her ass off on national television.
Making a huge issue of Misty’s drug use while she was on drugs the entire time. If her family was afraid that their phones were tapped then maybe she did take Haleigh. From where I sit she had the most motive and she has said several times that he got custody by stealing the children. So, that is how she see’s that. Maybe she wanted to steal them back. No matter what happened to Haleigh. Crytal Sheffield has put her baby Chloe’s life on the line more than once. Let keep that in mind when we say she is guilty of nothing.
How much does she care about Haleigh when she would do this to Chloe????????
David:
Crystal or her involvement is still being called into question by many.
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