Last night I sat down in front of my tube and watched three long and grueling hours of the Celebrity Apprentice. I have always watched this show to see the dynamics and if any abuse of ones peers occurs. Of course, every season there is someone who just cannot help themselves. After a few episodes, one or two bullies manage to unravel and show themselves for who they are. The second season of the Celebrity Apprentice is no different. As Donald Trump has had this show on the air since 2004, I have found the concept of having celebrities come on there appealing. They are giving back through their charities that they support and much money is raised for the greater good. You cannot go wrong there. The Donald does have a heart and I commend him for using this format for his show instead of looking to hire people for his organization as was done in the past.
This season there were a variety of celebrities from Andrew Dice Clay, Clint Black, Jesse James and others. After weeks of completing grueling tasks, the final two standing were Poker Player/Champion Annie Duke and Comedian/Designer/Producer/Fashion Police Joan Rivers. Both ladies are intelligent, sharp and did well. However, what stood out to me was the behavior of both of these ladies. They despised one another and had a season long feud. Annie felt attacked by Joan where as Joan saw right through Annie and her behavior and called a spade a spade. The bottom line came down to the good vs. evil. At the end, The Donald picked Joan Rivers and in my opinion, did the right thing.
Joan Rivers is one tough lady. At her age, she showed extreme strength throughout the show. Sure, she is outspoken, brash, very assertive and never held back on what she really thought. True, she had her moments with Clint Black and other team members. However, was always able to move on and focus on the task at hand. She made it clear that she was there for her charity and to do something good for someone else. You knew where she stood. She also saw right through Annie Duke. I watched Annie on the show and watched her behavior. She called people on her cell phone and yelled at them and used many words that were “beeped†out. She always wanted to be around people she felt she could control. I saw the task between herself, Melissa Rivers and Brandi when Melissa felt like the odd girl out. I knew exactly what those two were doing to Melissa and Melissa’s feelings were very normal considering the situation she was in. Annie was condescending towards her peers which was troublesome. I watched her last night and saw how she talked to Tom and Dennis. I watched her call every contact she had and talked about Joan and how she did this and that with the designers. Every chance she had she attacked Joan and her character behind Joan’s back. Her goal was to “bring this woman down.†Even though Joan held contempt towards Annie and let her know it, she kept it out of the task at hand. She did not go on the phone and trash Annie to others, she kept it in the board room. So, who is the real bully here? The brash lady who had a purpose and held onto it or the poker player who “played†her way through the show?
Joan is not perfect by any stretch. However, I give her props for being perceptive and saw right through Annies behavior. I saw the same stuff as a viewer. However, Joan was not condescending to her peers. She had disagreements and they were usually resolved by the next episode. True, she should not have called Annie “white trashâ€, a “Nazi†and trash half of Vegas for their profession. That was a little harsh. However, she was not manipulative, did not play “odd girl out†games, focused on the purpose, did not bad mouth Annie to others away from the situation. Annie continuously brought these things up in the board room and during tasks. I watched Annie’s behavior and I found it to be very troubling. Also, very common in our workplace today. I have worked for people like Annie before and was not fun whatsoever. Annie is a workplace bully in my opinion and was glad to see Joan win. You look at the two ladies and really, at the end of the day, who was the real bully? Even though Joan used harsh words, she did not do so repeatedly. Annie did not know when to quit! She always knew who to tell these things to and where to tell them.
A person can be harsh, brash and outspoken. However, that does not make them a bully. Joan saw right through Annie’s manipulations and games and called Annie on them every time. Annie’s behavior was casebook Peer Abuse. I was happy that Trump did the right thing and picked Joan. Joan may not be perfect but she sure knew how to bring down a bully. Nobody can go wrong there.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackI think you have got it round the wrong way. Annie was playing the game cleverly and cunningly.
The bully was Joan, she would shout and not discuss, she would insult and name call. She would lie, throw tantrums and behave in such an immature way. Now it is coming to light that Donald is doing a show with Joan and Joan has a new show coming out.
Annie played the game much better. Raised far more for charity, did not react to such immature, petty, disgusting behavior. She did not lower herself to Joan’s pathetic level. Annie had some class and integrity – none of which Joan had.
Hi Moonkatz, cunningly…..thats just it. She was cunning and I found it to be disturbing.
Joan was no angel, I get that. Some of her comments were out of line. However, she said them once and to Annie, not everyone BUT Annie. Thats why she was so angry. She saw Annie as a manipulator and I saw the same thing.
A lot of people are defending Annie online I know. Again, I saw Joan and saw she was no angel and said her comments were out of line. However, she played for charity and I had the feeling Annie played for Annie. A HUGE difference.
While I agree about Joan and cheered when she was won, Melissa came across as a spoiled brat, who pouts because her friends did something without her.
They weren’t talking about her or plotting against in her that episode and when she lost, she came across like a foul-mouthed moron.
Glad Annie lost, but honestly Annie would have stomped Melissa every which way but loose.
Hi Macadoo, Melissa reacted in a way that is normal for those who are odd girls out. Its not that she was a spoiled brat; its the fact that the three should have worked together and the two of them shut her out completely. That makes a person feel horrible. I know because I have been there more times than I can count. As for them plotting against her, that may have been speculation on Melissas part. However, I feel their behavior towards her was intentional. Annie was project manager and why did she shun Melissa and only communicate with Brandee? Melissa said it made her feel terrible…..it made me feel terrible. It still does when people do it.
Again, nobody was perfect in this. There were no “angels” in this. However, it was things like this that made me question Annies behavior. These are women in their 40’s (I know Melissa is as she is my age and Annie is a couple of years older. Not sure how old Brandee is) and behavior like this makes them look really stupid. They are mothers for goodness sakes. I got the feeling they left Melissa out intentionally. Whether or not they were plotting, I do not know. What was shown on the television was not plotting but them shutting her out was wrong on many levels. NOT a good way to manage and do business IMO.
Hello
I agree with you on Joane and Annie.
Joane did wondeful sure she didn’t bring in as much as Annie but she did keep it honest and for Annie yeah ok she did raise the most money but look at how she idi it by being THE BIG BULLY not a good way to go in life.
Thank you Katink, that pretty much sums up why I feel the way I do about this situation. I believe all Joan was doing was calling Annie on her crap. Again, words like nazi I could have lived without. Also, I saw on Twitter where Joan said she was only refering to one poker player as being white trash and not all poker players. Clears up the Vegas thing.
No, Joan did not bring in as much money as Annie. That is true. Annie is a good fundraiser which I am sure goes along with her line of work. But at the end of the day, I saw where Joans heart was lying in comparison to Annies.
Not for nothing, but there is an enduring community of social thought, namely Orthodox Judaism as stated in Talmud, albeit, which is only operative to those who subscribe to it, as part and parcel of its classical faith system, which explicitly excludes professional gamblers from being accepted as credible witnesses in court cases, due to their skills, be they innate or cultivated as being quite other than reliable conveyors of truth. Then again, Ms. Duke should have nothing to fear as her would be clandestine moves were as previous comments made note of, conspicuously transparent as duplicitous. It gives one pause to wonder, if perhaps the “girl” as she characterized herself, while attempting to rationalize her wishing Ms. Rivers dead, as her adversary appeared to be besting her and Ms. River’s will was prevailing over Ms. Duke’s, and her scheme was thereby being thwarted, isn’t very much off her game. This is clearly remained so, even when she momentarily held the better hand, in that her final event raised more dough; she yet failed to manifest the requisite skills necessary manage the interpersonal play of her hand, in the board room such, that she ultimately lost the game. One need not strain to recall that the only one in the long run to consistently win at cards is the house.
Oh and by the way Joan was right Annie was wrong and I’m glad she won.
In the final boardroom, Dennis and Tom did not say what they really felt. They did not tell Mr. Trump that Annie left them out and treated them condescendingly. Annie manipulated the crap out of Brandi! She is a people user. She loves herself so much, there is no more room for her to love anybody else! Did she pick her charity off a list? she really wasn’t very familiar with it. She DID not deserve to win. I hope America can turn our value system around and look down on manipulators like Annie Duke! Go Joan Rivers. You are amazing.
Elizabeth – You made the right call on every single one of your points. You picked up on exactly those things that got under my skin as I’ve been watching.
It’s just tv entertainment, I know. But you do get caught up in the drama…especially when it mirrors real life scenarios. I too have worked along side people like Annie in the workforce and their behavior was a thorn in my side (and the side of many a colleague). Regrettably, bullies don’t tend to go down without a fight…a dirty fight that can put one’s job in peril.
It’s ironic that a reality tv show provided the vindication that often times does not play out in real life.
Joan most definitely deserved the win…on so many levels. And the bully deserved to be put in her place. Of course, not without her thinking for about 2 seconds that she actually was the winner. Sweet revenge. I love it when the bad guy goes down. And I love it when the good guy is a winner. Especially if that winner is a 75 year old woman who likely has never waged a bet…but walked away with all the chips.
Nice.
A couple of thoughts…
First, Annie is a game player, and played the game. I think I remember her being alluded to by Joane as a Nazi?
Next, when Piers Morgan, wasn’t he ruthless and it was all about money?
Not sure I was watching the same show, seemed Joane made it pretty personal when things didn’t go her way.
I am confused by the seemingly double-standard here…
I thought for sure Trump would pick Annie just because of the amount of money she raised. I was thrilled he didn’t. I didn’t like Annie from the beginning…master manipulator and bully that she is. Also, I wish that more celebrities would support U.S. charities. In good and bad economies, we still have our own homeless, sick, hungry, parentless children who should receive our support. America has sent billions of dollars overseas, never receiving back quid pro quo. If we were to collect all the loans (with interest) maybe we could balance are deficit. While I understand the atrocities raging in Darfur, they do have their own government. We have supported them for years. Time to start supporting our own.
Thanks CultAnthro, ClareT and a new fan, I am glad you guys are getting the points I made in this. Joan may have had the mouth and the outer strength but Joan played fair. She listened to her peers, resolved conflict by the next challenge and focused on the task. I know she got annoyed by Clint, however, they managed to resolve stuff and move on. Disagreements like that are normal and being annoyed by someone is normal. Especially when in such close quarters as these people were for a length of time.
No, Dennis nor Tom spoke up about Annie and I wished they had. I saw where Dennis was standing behind Annie and actually called her on her cell phone at one point. They felt ignored and left out and he made a statement by doing that. I saw how she treated Tom with the video considering his expertise IS in video. Of course, after she saw what he did, she was all “its okay Tom”. If she did not trust him then why did she assign him to that particular activity? I got the feeling Tom and Dennis were annoyed as well by the actions and comments they made. However, by board room time, I think they were just ready for it to be over with. Thats the impression I got. So instead of speaking up, they just “yeah, okay”. This is bystander behavior and I discourage it completely.
I think a lot of people are seeing Joan as the bully because she was the verbal one. She outright said it where Annie did not and just sat there, smiled, took credit and kept it all away from Trump but took it to her cell and everywhere else. Plus, she had her constant sidekick in Brandi as bullies NEVER work alone. As a result of this, people want to see Joan in that light. Again, a person can be honest and not a bully. Joan was not intentionally trying to mess with her. Joan saw right through her and let HER know it and in front of the person that needed to know it and that was Trump. Annie was the one who manipulated, excluded, backstabbed, cursed and made demands in the phone, put others down and again, even though Joan was harsh, I did not see her threaten anyone like that. This is what I want people to understand when reading this. These adult bullies are secretive and try to make the others look bad. This is why I feel Joan was not doing the bullying but Annie was.
I am grateful some folks are getting this. THIS IS BULLYING in adults! They are not always upfront in their behavior and I think this is why people are getting it twisted here. Adult bullies are too crafty and slick to go that route. Their actions is completely relational and not so much confrontational. Joan spoke her mind and she brought it to Annie and not anyone else. Well, of course Trump as he needed to know what was going on and certainly Annie was not going to tell him.
Thank goodness people are seeing what I saw! People are defending Annie online and again, in my opinion, I believe they see Joan speak out and think she is the bully.
Thanks Diane, great points! I concur completely!
Hey Duff, I appreciate what you said as well. However, please go back and read my comments. I did mention that Joan should not have called Annie a Nazi and went too far. As for Piers, I agree with you about him. He was horrible! I did not agree with his being picked at all.
I think the Donald had it wrong. Ture, Annie is maniputative and a kiss up. However what she said about Joan making the designer mad was true. That was even on tape. It would have been nice if Mr. Trump would have looked at that clip. Joan and her spoiled little Melissa need to go on prozac.
Valid point. I would rather be told all those nasty things in my face rather then be stabbed behind my back. Joan is highly emotional and volatile while Annie, not surprising given her so called “profession”, is cool as a cucumber. But Annie’s coolness started to crack under the fire when she realized that perhaps things were not so under her control and then started her usual blame game to anyone who bothered to listen. (I’m just wondering who the heck would want her as a friend??) Joan may not be a saint, but in the end she proved that charity is not just about the money but also about working cohesively as a team and giving your time and heart.
SadieMae, I saw where the designer quit on Joan when they were on the phone. I also saw where Annies calls were not returned and she and Brandee (is it Brandi or Brandee? I cannot remember, someone correct me if they know)went to the agency and the receptionist wanted the cameras off when they entered. We see Annie go into the office with the lady and there are no cameras while they are meeting. Then we see Annie come out and she says that the company quit altogether because Joan angered the event planner. However, I did not see the receptionist say it herself so we only have Annies word to go on there. True, Joan angered him and he quit but was that the full reason? Annie could have been lying for all we know. He quit Joan, I did not hear him say the whole company was quitting Celeb Apprentice. The only one I saw say that was Annie.
Again, Joan and Melissa were vocal and yes, Melissa was mad when fired. However, I do not think it was the firing that angered Melissa as much as the odd girl out thing. She knew when they were in there that it would be blamed on her. She even said it before they even went into the board room. Sorry but there is no excuse for odd girl out stuff especially with women in their 40’s. Made Annie and Brandi look like they were in the 5th grade, IMO. Then on this task, Dennis and Tom were frozen out.
MikiT, you took the words right out of my keyboard. You get exactly what I am trying to say here. These bullies are so “cool” while they anger others and its the others that usually wind up looking all “bad and unstable” because they speak out like Joan did. I think also Joan was mad because Melissa was odd girl outted. A mom will protect her child and a child will stick by her mother. This situation is very typical in workplace scenarios. This is why I say that people are getting confused and think Joan was the bully. Its those “silent ones” that shoot the arrows.
Obviously today’s blog is an apology for Joan Rivers as the Celebrity Apprentice. Did we watch the same series?? I was shocked by Joan’s lack of professionalism and outright nastiness throughout this entire series, and I believe her conduct, splayed across millions of TV sets every week, has actually damaged her reputation. I have lost respect for Joan Rivers through all this. Joan behaved more like a 12 year old than a woman in her 70’s. As for her daughter’s conduct, I can see the fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Don’t be so quick to give Joan kudos for being assertive and bold, either. She was clearly scared to cross Clint Black, even going so far as to have Jesse act as the middle man numerous times during the Tuna Commercial Project. There was nothing assertive or bold about her that week.
To state that Joan put down a “bully” is laughable and preposterous, considering that Joan Rivers, herself, was the bully every week. Does Donald think that makes a good business person? Her conduct was completely unprofessional and bordered on libelous.
Annie was never able to explain herself without either Joan or Donald cutting her off. She was the true professional, though, in spite of Joan’s attempts to get her riled and Donald’s attempts to blow off her concerns.
Joan clearly lied about the designer, whom we all watched quit right in the middle of a phonecall with Joan. For her to then come out and call herself “honourable,” after all the one-way mudslinging and outright lies, is also laughable.
It’s obvious Donald Trump wanted Joan to emerge the winner, because he certainly was incapable of or unwilling to be objective where a friend of his was concerned. Perhaps he needs to keep his friends out of such contests in the future. I’ve been reading reactions to Joan’s win all day and people are upset with the result. I’d estimate that about 80 percent feel the competition was rigged. I’m in agreement with that and will probably never watch the Celebrity Apprentice again.
Kay, we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Have a good night 🙂
Annie is smart and clever. Yes, sure at times, she patted herself on the back a little to much, but I think a lot of that was because she was amazed at how well she was actually doing. To take up for Joan after all of the lies and horrible things she said, is just pathetic. I was a Joan Rivers fan until the Celebrity Apprentice but I vow to never watch another show she is on.
Annie handle herself with grace and treated everyone with respect, including that little twit, Melissa.
See event planner David Tutera’s official statement on why he stepped away from helping Joan Rivers on Celebrity Apprentice: http://www.davidtutera.com/
Dear Elizabeth,
I have read all the comments on your blog today and I made the first response. I am still in shock by your post and your responses.
You state that it disturbed you that Annie was cunning (as stated in my first post). She was playing a game to win – in order to win a game or to get ahead in business – it is a good thing to have certain characteristics and be cunning, smart, plan, think ahead, find out what your competition is up to etc.
So in your book it is not ok to be cunning etc while playing a game with the goal of winning and yet it is acceptable to behave in such an immature, vulgar, mean, nasty, lying, shouting, arrogant, despicable manner. In the business world this behavior would not have been tolerated at all.
I am shocked that you think Joan’s behavior was in any form acceptable. As far as I am concerned anyone defending Joan’s behavior needs help.
I actually think the way Joan and Melissa played the game ( that now seems was fixed with the Donald from the beginning) was much more manipulative than Annie could ever be accused of and therefore the ultimate set up and the serious bullying came from Joan, Donald and Melissa.
Elizabeth,
It was quite clear that the designer quit the show when Annie and Brande were asked to leave the premises. It’s true that we don’t know what happened btwn Annie and the designer behind closed doors, but it did seem that the event planner was done.
All that said, I can’t stand how Annie played the game. She reminded me of an abusive husband who acts like a jerk but in front of the judge changes his tune. In turn, the battered woman reacts strongly and is labeled the troublemaker.
Dear me,
Are you likening Joan Rivers to the battered woman?!!!!!!!
She is the one who was battering Annie at every opportunity.
To my eyes it was Joan Rivers who was the bully the entire time-
and here’s an interesting look at how the two finalists spent the day after the Finale:
-Annie Duke raising money for yet another charity:
http://news.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1171671&srvc=home&position=also
-Joan Rivers doing rounds of interviews refusing to apologize for calling comparing Annie to Hitler:
http://weblogs.redeyechicago.com/showpatrol/2009/05/celebrity-apprentice-joan-rivers-annie-duke.html
-PS the event designer who quits makes it clear that he quit because of Joan, which does make Joan a liar as well:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/05/11/2009-05-11_apprentice_designer_calls_joan_rivers_monster.html
I thought Joan- who walked off the show let’s not forget, and her talent-free daughter were absolutely dreadful.
Your article totally overstates the case for Joan against Annie. I disagree.
Oh, moonkatz relax with the exclamation points. Reread the post. I likened Annie to an abusive husband and how he acts in front of an authority figure. My post didn’t mention Joan at all.
Breathe. We’re only chatting about a reality show.
Elizabeth,
Here’s a snippet of an interview with the event planner: http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/05/celebrity-appre.html
Among other statements, he said that the show manipulated the situation because he wasn’t allowed to provide ideas.
I’m sending the link along because I think that it may interest you and your readers. Its not to provide a counter agrument for your position.
Very interesting that you and others see Annie as a bully. I did not.
But I did see Joan as a “Gucci little piggy”
I saw Joan as your typical whiny, self-centred, manipulative bully. She played the poor me card. She walked off the show for attention! While most of us call that quitting, she took advantage and used it to return to play out the silly drama with Annie.
She doesn’t walk the talk. Her words are mean and most of them mean nothing.
By the way, these are the worst kind of bullies. People like Joan who cry and rant and throw hissy fits, always claiming they are the victim…watch out. They are nasty bullies. Passive aggressive and cruel. Joan was judged by Donald Trump to be the “best” bully. I think he was just more sympathetic to her charity.
Annie was ripped off. She really won in terms of brains and work ethic but Joan weaseled her way through with lies and deceit and her motive was revenge, not charity!
She just wanted to make everything “ok again” for her unlikeable daughter. That was her only motive.
JMO
BTW, it is frightening to see how many people are unclear of who the “bully” really was.
Just goes to show how effective true bullies are.
Myself, I would rather have someone be open and clear about who they were. Annie never tried to pretend she was something other than herself. That’s much easier to deal with.
But someone who is sneaky and spiteful is the most dangerous type of “bully”. Joan is a phony with an agenda steeped in insecurity. Her humour comes from a disturbing black place.
Very ugly behaviour on her part.
Joan waa a bully too. She was throwing around her career and contacts. Trying to constantly remind everyone that Annie was beneath Trump and River.
Just because she did it out in open doesn’t make it better. She had a tantrum every time she thought Annie made a good point and it revealed Joan in a light I truly didn’t expect.
Joan is the one who lost this battle. She revealed her bigotry on people she considers it safe to abuse. Not only that she projected her shame onto Annie.
Joan worked in Vegas when the mob ran it….not Annie. Bob Newhart stated on one of those ‘History Channel’ shows about the mob and Vegas. He said that they took care of ‘the talent’ and made sure they had a great time while performing. While now the corporations are running Vegas and this type of stuff doesn’t happen on the same level as it did then. The time when Joan hit Vegas.
Joan is a liar and a hypocrite. She used classism to attack someone and said things to Annie that millions of gay people hear from family. That they are beneath them and not worthy of the respect deserved everyone.
Joan said that same type of thing to someone she considered herself upbove in the entertainment industry. Joan is a bully too drawing imaginary lines in the sand to prove she is better than Annie. When in fact that imaginary line defines her past, taking money from the mob.
I lost respect for Joan watching that show. And Joan was the only person who stood to lose acting the way she did. While some have claimed that Annie was in it for Annie. Well the tv show that Joan has been offered, clearly reveals that Joan was in it for herself. As well as her comments in the NYPost. She did it to put herself on the map with the network again. The one that passed over her for Johnny Carson’s spot. Charity was a second thought. Geez…she could barely keep her eyes interested visiting that man dying of AIDS. He wasn’t exactly a boring character either.
Um, first off, I never said Joan was perfect and again, said she crossed the line with some things she said. Joan is loud and brash and I said that. Joan is loud and brash all the time. Its just who she is. Where she comes from. You look at this country and different parts of it. Some people from different areas are just LOUD. It does not make them bullies. However, you have to look at the adult bully. They are manipulative, cunning, sneaky and always operate with a sidekick (Brandi). Yes, Annie put on a completely different face in front of Trump in comparison to the one she had away from him. THIS is what adult bullies do! Yes, I think “cunning” is a form of bullying. It may have been a way to play the game but it was not the way to play honestly, IMO.
As for the designer, thanks for clearing that up. Annie was telling the truth and thats good to know. I also suspected the show had something to do with them pulling out. It made it more “interesting”. Again, I was basing my opinion on what I saw on the show.
Yes, Joan stomped off the set when Melissa was fired. However, Joan was pissed off and we all react when upset and say things we should not say. Joan was mad because Melissa was the odd girl out, felt that way and at the end of the day was fired. Again, I do not know whether or not Annie and Brandi plotted against Melissa. However, Annie being project manager, should NOT have iced Melissa out. PERIOD! Joan even told Annie and Brandi she was angry by their behavior.
As for the snippets shared, thanks folks but again, I base this completely on what I saw on the show. Not anything afterwards or elsewhere.
People are confused as to who the bully was because in our culture, a bully is someone who is loud and yells. Is brutally honest and yeah, reacts to situations. People are not educated on the adult bully as we have barely touched upon this problem in the workplace. Adult bullies are more low key, quiet, always have a sidekick, wants to be around those that can be controlled, talks to people in a threatning manner like Annie did on the phone, excludes others, manipulates, condescends…..everything I saw Annie do on the show. Joan did not exhibit any of this. THIS is why I am basing my conclusions on this. Yes, bullies can yell and verbally abuse but they usually do that away from others. Joan made her points in front of everyone including Trump. Joan wanted folks to know what Annie was as she kept it all out of the board room. Listen to the comments Tom and Dennis were making about her during the task. Did you hear Joans team do that about her? Yeah, Melissa was on her team but so was Clint and Hershel.
Again, I do not know either woman and I know all kinds of stuff is written about them on here and who said what blah blah…..I am basing my opinion strictly on the behavior of the show. A lot of what Joan was reacting to was Annies crap. This is classic in the workplace; the bully gets them so riled up and they explode while the bully sits there all innocent. Talk to people who have dealt with this in the workplace…..
Anyway, thanks to all of you for responding and sharing info. My goal in this was to expose the real bully and from what I saw, that was Annie. Have a good day……
Someone else said it up the thread.
Trump’s children wouldn’t behave the way Joan and Melissa did.
Trying to justify Joan’s bullying behavior doesn’t negate it.
Why are people justifying Annies bullying behavior?
Because we didn’t see it as such Elizabeth.
Cluck-cluck-cluck…SPLASH!
Awesome.
You did not see it as much…..hmm..so I guess you did see it but just not as much?
Anyway, have a good day! Thanks for your feedback!
With all due respect, you might want to read that again.
‘As such’….and ‘as much’….are two different meanings.
And even under your ‘as much’ interpretation…it still makes Joan bully.
Joan Rivers’ behavior and outbursts were reprehensible. Yes, Annie was tough, but Rivers was so much more the bully. Her language and her mean spirited snipes (like the Hitler remark and those during the mother/daughter meltdown) were so beneath her. And yet she claimed to Annie and the world that she was so ABOVE Annie. And Rivers lied in the board room. She feigned shock that it was her fault that the event planning team quit. Sure seemed like she was the cause to me. She spoke down to the guy on the phone and was generally rude. No wonder he quit. She constantly interrupted to get her side of the story across, but didn’t want to let Annie have her say. All in all, she was a very poor sport and acted the part of the diva. I used to be a Rivers fan, but her embarrassing and mean outbursts have turned me off. She should have been given penalty points for her bad behavior in causing the event planner to quit, and I think Annie, consistently the better player and by far the biggest money raiser, should have won.
As for her spoiled daughter, Melissa was a total brat. She whined and complained most of the time, and generally had a way higher opinion of herself than was ever deserved. She fancied herself an expert at whatever she did — far better than everyone else. And even as she complained how everyone was talking behind her back, she acted far worse. It’s no wonder that she didn’t get along with most of the other contestants. When she was asked by Donald Trump if she was embarrassed about her meltdown, she tried to gloss over it. But Donald called her on the carpet nonetheless and cried bullshit on that. She was just awful, and has probably done a lot to sabatoge whatever career she has left.
As such then….pardon my error. They say when you push 41, you start needing reading glasses, lol.
Again, and I really do not want to repeat myself. I have explained why Annie is the bully in this. Never said Joan was perfect. I have to move on now. Feel free to comment but know I cannot spend time here any longer. Thanks for the great discussion and insight. Have a good week everyone 🙂
Annie Duke came out no cleaner than Joan on this. For those fans of hers that say she was playing a game, the game was for charity which should have pushed for a higher standard than either were playing. Both were on opposite ends of the dirty game spectrum. Annie showed her true colors backstage, inspite of her insincerity in the board room. So the crazy old lady has a sailor’s mouth. At least she wears it on her sleeve.
For the person who alluded to how Joan is spending her time after the apprentice, do not make assumptions. Please be informed that she has been and is still performing her shows with the money raised going to charity. She does not neccessarily announce it to the whole world to know. It is usually on her website under “Joan’s Appearances”. Check her calendar under the aforementioned and you will see that she is extremely busy. She will work during the day and sometimes as late as 1 am attending to business. I encourage you to read her blogs that go back to 2006 and get a little glimpse of her life. Do not make assumptions from tale bearers.
The Apprentice shows, in all of their incarnations, are nothing but contrived entertainment and possess no redeeming social value. It would be nearly impossible to find a contestant who isn’t manipulative and cunning, that is what is really valued here. No drama = no viewers. I watched the clips on YouTube and it looks like Annie was doing what she was supposed to do, create friction and drama, Joan came off as undermedicated.
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