This in from TJ Hart – Jan Barrett
Videos from the February 4, 2010 Misty Croslin SJCO jail visits were released last week.
Tommy and Misty Croslin were arrested January 20, 2010, on drug trafficking charges along with Ronald Cummings, Hope Sykes and Donna Brock.
Ronald Cummings is the father of missing Satsuma girl Haleigh Cummings who disappeared February 10, 2009 while under the care of Misty Croslin.
Police say the two cases are separate, but they will take full advantage of this situation to interview these suspects to see what they know about the night Haleigh vanished.
* Misty and Lisa Croslin Pt 1
* Misty and Lisa Croslin Pt 2
* Misty with both parents
TJ Hart
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackI don’t want to criticize, but what is up with the cut of part one… If I’m not mistaken Misty only said “I’m not letting these bitches in here cut my hair”… yet, in this version she says they can put all this on TV… clearly she and her mother were speaking of something other than hair!!
To me this is misleading… I could be wrong, but this is what it looks like to me.
It appears as though something was redacted, whatever she said before “They can put this on TV…”
Cathartic, exactly but, it didn’t flow so seamlessly… there should be a pause/break, something indicating the topic of conversation has changed. To me, Misty is being set up for an Ass kicking from the other inmates. I don’t like it!!!!
Ahhh, OK. You are saying you think something was redacted but it was done in a way that it was not obvious on the tape. That could be, but I am not sure why such deviousness would have been needed. I mean, she did make the remark.
Or are you saying you feel the remark should have been redacted as well?
I hope every effort is made to ensure her safety. I mean, I am not a Misty fan and I shake my head at some of the decisions she has made for herself. But I also understand that she has had many disadvantages in life and that can result in a distorted sense of right and wrong.
Yes, I mean it should be redacted in a obvious manner. yes, she made the “kiss my ass” remark, but was it pertaining to the hair comment? I think not, but it looks as though she’s telling the jail inmates to kiss her ass!
I too am not a fan!!!
I had seen that tape somewhere else before and it was not like that. The subject had changed, but obviously so.
Even the first time I heard it I felt it could be a problem that she said “the bitches in here” about her hair. It was the tone in her voice, and made me think if they heard the tone as I heard it, they might not be happy.
Did anyone else think that Misty doesn’t care much for her mother? Misty did the eye rolling & made a lot demands to her mother. She was more emotional and just nicer to her father.
I don’t think they let jail inmates cut each others hair. Misty was probably talking about the employees of the jail not cutting her hair.
She said another inmate had done her hair, then said she was not letting them cut her hair. Regardless of who she meant, on the tape it could sound to those inmates as if she is referring to them.
It was not the cutting hair or put it on tv comment … it was after… kiss my ass.. the tape makes it seem like that was directed towards the inmates
LOL Cent I am trying to say I agree, but it won’t post. I don’t like to retype because then it will post twice. But…I agree, and feel that “these bitches in here” should have been redcated, for Misty’s safety if for nothing else.
I saw it when it first came out on the news.. on the Internet… and yes it was different, and obvious.
The “bitches” comment… is not really an issue in jail… that is what they call each other. You and I would be offended tho.
****I am a highly suspicious person****
I think that the way the tape is flowing, gives LE another reason to keep Misty segregated, even tho she wants out. They can continue playing the safety “card” in order to wear her down.
I thought her tone when she said it could be an issue, though. But, perhaps not. I am wrong sometimes, and can admit it.
Cathartic, you’re not wrong… she had a TONE… big time. It’s just in jail, the girls already feel degraded, so the name calling is nothing “new”!!
She said in one conversation that the jail psychologist, or whoever she saw for anxiety, is going to try to get her out of lockdown. If she is out of lockdown, does that mean she is out of segretation?
segregation, that is
Where I worked there was a mental unit… however there were inmates in general population on psych medication.
cent,
I soooo agree re them setting Misty up….I think they did the same to Ron with the nasty comments he made about his fellow inmates. Don’t the authorities owe the inmates a duty of care? One or both of them could wind up seriously bashed or worse.
cathartic said,in February 16th, 2010 at 10:17 pm I hope every effort is made to ensure her safety. I mean, I am not a Misty fan and I shake my head at some of the decisions she has made for herself. But I also understand that she has had many disadvantages in life and that can result in a distorted sense of right and wrong.
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I totally agree.
I think it’s a dangerous tactic.
Sooner or later the light bulb does go on. It looks like this case really is more about psychology than anything else. If I am right, there are (I think) only two real questions left to answer.
Misty needs to get real. It may be that regardless of the outcome of any trial, this girl may only have the option of leaving prison in a box. There is a strong possibility that she will be spending quite a lot of however much time she has left in this world fooling with her hair. I think she may tire of the pasttime.
But from what we know, as things stand now, Ronald could eventually go free. If she had spilled her guts before she turned eighteen there would have been a much better chance of an equitable distribution of the punishment. If she talks now, it may be a little more fair in regards to her vs. Ronald, but it still may not be truly equitable, because if I am right he deserves a lot more than she does.
Everyone has spent a lot of time considering the backgrounds of these people and “where they are coming from”, and everything that might be mitigating factors in appraising their behaviors. I think the time for that is over. As much as one would like to excuse someone as young as Misty, it is time to get down to brass tacks.
Realistically, one must see that this girl has had so many chances to do the right thing, that sympathy is probably wasted on her; and the sooner she realizes that she is going to sit there alone and forgotten except as that rotten punk kid who wouldn’t tell what she knew (or did), the better.
Even a 14-year old ought to be able to understand that if you know what happened to a 5-year old you have to tell, regardless of the consequences.
The reality is that people are losing sympathy. With every day that passes where she remains silent, she is just digging a deeper hole for herself.
Just my opinion.
Is it just me? Does it appear to anyone else that it seems to bother Daddy Croslin more that his son is in jail than it does that Misty is in jail? Why now does it seem that Daddy Croslin is so broke and had to find another place to live? Does his son being in jail effect his income that much? Hmmm.
SolveCrimes said,
in February 17th, 2010 at 2:47 am
Is it just me? Does it appear to anyone else that it seems to bother Daddy Croslin more that his son is in jail than it does that Misty is in jail? Why now does it seem that Daddy Croslin is so broke and had to find another place to live? Does his son being in jail effect his income that much? Hmmm.
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I think you’ve got something there… I noticed how Misty perked-up in her seat, the minute she caught site of daddy. I’m thinking that Hank “magic man”, is trying his best, to lure something out of here…. did it seem as though H was not feeling any concern when M tells him about the newspaper outing him for talking to LE investigators.
Solve Crimes:
You have a point about Hank, Sr. He mentions over and over that Lindsay is moving, and they won’t have a place to live or a car to drive. He has got to get out there and find some work. If he is able to work now, why couldn’t he work before?
SolveCrimes @ 2:47am:
You asked if it seemed like Hank Sr was more upset about T being in jail than M.
I think that’s very likely because Sr and his wife had been living with and sponging off of T and Lindsy. Unfortunately, L continued to let them stay after T was locked up and it was only after her father(?) or grandfather(?) gave her another place to stay with the kids that she moved. Obviously the condition was that Sr and Mrs munster NOT go along.
What has me puzzled is where was ANY income coming from in that household? Hank Sr and Lisa were not employed. T was not employed. Even if Lindsy had a job – then was she the sole support? And if so then why all of a sudden couldn’t she afford to live in the MH anymore and had to move???? So that’s a good question. Did T have an “income” that we did not know about? Or, did Lindsy use her brains and take the first chance she got to get rid of Sr and Lisa?
Hi, Karon! Good question? If Sr can work now, why couldn’t he before? Maybe he’s just “making noises” about it especially since he knows everything he says will go public.
He got a free car handed to him. Maybe he’ll get a job handed to him. IDK.
the father is a lowlife, keeps hounding misty to obviously make himself look good to the cops probably for a reduced sentence. Misty doesn’t know what happen to haleigh.
Hank lost his job and is on unemployment. In one of his first phone calls with Misty he said, he hopes he finds another job before his unemployment runs out or they will all be s*$#wed. In one of the resent calls Misty’s mom says, did you hear your dad might get his old job back? So, maybe he was laid off..
I have a question…..Hank Sr cannot read, how does one get a driver’s license if one cannot read?
Hi, DramaQueen! I have always wondered the same thing. How in the world can anyone pass the test? Of course if Hank Sr has a license he probably got it 20plus years ago somehow. And the tests were somewhat different then I think. And he was going with or married to Lisa back then too right? When he was about 16? Maybe she helped somehow.
I suppose people from other countries can manage because some of the road signs use international symbols but still so many of our road signs are wordy I don’t know how a non-English speaker can manage it never mind an illiterate. Except that I’ve heard that illiterates find ways to figure things out and sort of fake it and squeak by.
Hi, Buddy! Also, Hank Sr was in an accident and broke his leg or something. I don’t know if that was before or after being laid off. Maybe he had some disability insurance too.
But unemployment and disability run out after a while, don’t they?
Croslins have moved and now have a 1 rm apt for
$425 near the police station as Haggar Lisa stated…..so who’s paying for the new abode.
LP bought the Croslins a new car…and he can read (?) and has a driver’s license?
Who’s paying the insurance on this car?
Dude Sr (with shades) has no job…all seem to be living off everyone else’s money. Especially waiting for Tax money to come in for their bonds.
Tommy doesn’t care if his wife or children even have food money as long as he get bond
money for himself. What a nice family man he is!!! NOT
Misty wants out so she can move to Mass. with the family……FLIGHT RISK HERE???
Timmy is living there so if they all move there….GOD HELP MASS. THE CROSLINS ARE COMING.
That will be miles down the road because I these people are in for the long haul.
How do these folks watch Nancy Grace? She is on cable tv. So they can pay the cable bill but cant put food on the table or buy gas for the cars or buy beds for the kids???
Groan, don’t get me sstarted on where they get their money…..LOL I have had a license for 38 years and even back THEN we had to be able to read to get one!
Confused….I was thinking the exact same thing.
Money is coming from somewhere….do they have donation jars too?
Hank Sr……does he sign his name with an X?
Hi, Confused @ 8:30 am. I would not put it past T to have spliced into a neighbor’s cable access when they were in that MH.
And, of course, we all know what kind of “priorities” the Croslins have. (Back***wards IMO).
Maybe the Sr Croslin’s new abode comes with a TV or maybe there’s one in the lobby (if there’s a lobby). And they are so “well-known” now maybe other people let them watch their TVs.
Good question on how is the new rent being paid. Would Sr’s unemployment cover that with any left over to buy food (for themselves, of course, not the gkids)?
Sanny some people who are illiterate can sign their name. But it’s not “reading” exactly. It’s more like drawing. They just copy the “drawing” that someone else gave them that is their name.
I think Leonard Padilla has been chomping at the bit (to use the appropriate cowboy terminology) to insert himself into this case for a long time.
After the public outcry about bailing out anyone, LP found something else he could do.
Give the Srs a way to get to and from the jail in order to get more recorded visits, to encourage them to encourage M to tell the truth, and maybe to get Hank Sr or Lisa to tell him stuff that he can then go on NG and blather about.
Goodmorning Everyone,
DramaQueen, DMV normally they give you an oral exam and have the person tell them what each road sign means.
Karen Cox, I agree with you that Mistys statement could cause problems pertaining to safety issues. So far I have not seen the release of the phone conversation to media stations or on Nancy Grace between Ronald and Alisha Dunbar where he uses the N word.
I think both parents are trying to convince Misty to tell what she knows. I believe they are working with detectives. I do feel Hank Sr. has a more emotional effect on Misty.
SolveCrimes said,
in February 17th, 2010 at 2:47 am
Is it just me? Does it appear to anyone else that it seems to bother Daddy Croslin more that his son is in jail than it does that Misty is in jail? Why now does it seem that Daddy Croslin is so broke and had to find another place to live? Does his son being in jail effect his income that much? Hmmm.
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I think you’ve got something there… I noticed how Misty perked-up in her seat, the minute she caught site of daddy. I’m thinking that Hank “magic man”, is trying his best, to lure something out of here…. did it seem as though H was not feeling any concern when M tells him about the newspaper outing him for talking to LE investigators.
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I thought the same thing. He is trying to get info out of Misty or make her slip up. Even in past conversations he told her to stop lying. Maybe he is working with LE or LP.
Hi, looking for justice! Please see my 8:55am!
I think LP is certainly encouraging and enabling them to do just that. And it’s possible LE has hinted at some leniency for Hank Sr. But the lure of LP’s dollars would do it for sure even without LE’s complicity. IMO
m2c you are correct about LP and I do believe LE is offering leniency. You can tell this by the way they talk to her. Telling her things like your hair is going to be gray by then and she will be old. Hank Sr. telling her they could put her away for a long while.
m2c what is your thoughts as to why after one year they will not rlease a confirmed work schedule for Ronald? By the way thanks for letting me know that TJ said there has not been a confirmation on this on the 2/7/2010 talk show. I missed that one.
They have gotten income from somewhere because they all talk about tax returns.
1 thing I have noticed, Misty is the only one who doesn’t want to talk about Haleigh. When she does, it’s short and sweet then a subject change. To me, Tommy freaks out when Haleigh is brought up.
Something tells me this whole drug thing was only used to lure Tommy and Misty in. I seriously wonder if the rest of them were only involved so that Misty and Tommy would actually go along with selling these pills. I have a feeling that once Tommy and Misty confess or slip up (which ever comes first), That’s when the rest of them will get out of jail.
Tommy and Misty just need to come forward.
JMO
Hi, looking for Justice!
I think companies like PDM are going to (1)work with the police and (2) not respond to public/media inquiries (unless LE specifically okays it or tells them to).
Very likely PDM’s legal department would advise them to take a conservative approach like this for probably more reasons than I know of. But one possible reason is that LE has asked them to keep it to themselves as this is an on-going investigation. Another reason is for PDM to avoid any liability (which can mean giving someone reason to sue them).
For example, say PDM releases R’s work hours and some member of the public works out a theory based on that, that puts R in a bad light. R could sue for defamation and blame PDM (the big money pockets) too.
For example, in the monster Anthony case. Universal replied to LE’s inquiries regarding monster’s “employment” there in a very formal way and directly TO LE. I do not believe Universal ever responded to any inquiries from the public or media. And I do not think they would have before it became public in a different way – or maybe ever.
The difference in that case is of course that it is being litigated so that info is being released under the Sunshine Law. And right now that law does not apply to Haleigh’s case.
Looking for Justice – Sorry for the long explanation. I guess the short version is – there is no good reason (in PDM’s best interests) to release the info to the public/media. And several possible good reasons not to release it (also in PDM’s own best interests).
Hi, PAW! I agree. The whole purpose of the drug sting was definitely to get some people locked up. Most definitely.
LE said the investigations were separate. However the detectives investigating Haleigh’s disappearance were notified a couple days before it went down (so they say). So there definitely was time to STOP IT if it did not assist – in fact if it would have interfered in – Haleigh’s case. A missing child definitely trumps a few penny ante dope dealers. So, yes. The whole drug thing is in aid of finding out what happened to Haleigh.
(Or LE hopes so anyway).
m2c I can understand it not coming directly from PDM. Why not LE themselves. In the Anthony case LE confirmed to the public that Casey was not employed there and had not been for sometime. Considering his place of employment gives him his alibi and LE is satisfied with that, why would LE not release his actual work hours? Is TJ on to something? Maybe Ron does not have an air tight alibi?
Looking for Justice…
Either they are fully satisfied and feel no need to make it public at this time, Or, His air tight alibi went out the window and it’s being investigated still. Or, they just don’t want to release anything at all no matter what. I’m sure they didn’t want all these jail tapes released either. But when it comes to the jails, their hands are tied.
To add to my last post,,,
Ron passed the LDT, Misty failed it (numerous times), and oddly Crystal’s LDT had to be sent to Washington (which I might add, doesn’t make sense at all). But then again, what does make sense in this case? Did Tommy ever take the LDT, or is that still a mystery too?
Paw69, I agree with your answer to my post perhaps LE is still investigating it. I am trying to rule out Ronald as a suspect in my mind. I feel that because LE released that Ron was at work and they are satisfied then why not release it actual work hours? They said on August 17th that Ron and Crystal were not suspects. To give an example. When Nancy talks about Rons work hours why can’t she say ” well, Ron worked from ? to this time ?” and if LE is still investigating his work schedule and they cannot confirm it; how is he no longer a suspect?
What has really bothered me is Misty’s “Attorney” has told her not to talk at all. Now if she was innocent and she really doesn’t know what happened, then why would her attorney tell her not to talk?
good morning everyone, and it is good to see you paw.
i think lisa told misty that lindsay was waiting for tom’s w-2 to file their income taxes. and also tommy and lindsay discussed that tom’s employer did not have their new (correct) address to mail his w-2 to tommy.
looking for justice, ty for the information. i answered your message when/if you have time.
everyone have a super day
PAW69 I 100% agree with your 10:36am post
Looking for Justice…
I think it’s because he was at work that night, and he did pass the LDT, and because in the recent jail tapes I saw on NG the other night, he is still upset (crying) and wanting to know where his daughter is. Putting all that together shows to me that he really is innocent.
Now, you look at Tommy and Misty, those 2 show very differently when it comes to Haleigh.
PAW69 said,in February 17th, 2010 at 10:36 am What has really bothered me is Misty’s “Attorney” has told her not to talk at all. Now if she was innocent and she really doesn’t know what happened, then why would her attorney tell her not to talk?
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That’s standard practice for attorneys. Not strange at all.
PAW69 re your February 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am:
I would not be surprised if it does turn out that Ron was at work all night and even that he passed an LDT.
We can completely discount the importance of the LDT. It really is irrelevant.
Of course it may be that Ronald found a way to come home in the middle of his shift and then go back. This is a question that will need to be answered, but I would put it in the “loose ends” category.
From where I sit, a whole lot of things are explained if you presume that he really was at work the whole time.
Just my opinion.
Curious, I realize that. What I’m trying to say is, if she’s innocent and doesn’t know anything more, than why keep quiet. Only the ones who are guilty are the ones who are told to shut their mouths.
I know I shouldn’t compare the Anthony case to this case, But when you really look at body language and what people do and say in this situation, Misty and Tommy are acting a lot like Casey, While Ron is acting completely different. He has the anger and the tears of someone taking his daughter. Where Tommy and Misty have the, attitude like Casey and Misty has to squeeze out the tears, EXCEPT, when it’s all about HER.
Thanks PAW69 for your insight. I just wish if LE is going to release to the public that Ron is not a suspect due to the fact his job is his alibi then release a confirmation of his work hours. If they cannot release a confirmed statement of Rons work hours ,especially since it has been more than a year since Haleighs disappearance then I feel there must be an issue with them. I hope they will come out with this info so I can put it aside.
PAW69 said,in February 17th, 2010 at 11:29 am Curious, I realize that. What I’m trying to say is, if she’s innocent and doesn’t know anything more, than why keep quiet. Only the ones who are guilty are the ones who are told to shut their mouths.
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PAW69, the girl was only 17 years old and uneducated. She is living on the margin of society. She is in love with a man and watching his children when something happens on her watch. There were probably drugs in the house. Who is going to be her protector? Regardless of whether or not someone put a gun in her face that night, the result would still be the same.
THE RESULT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.
Just my opinion.
looking for Justice @ 10:18 You said, “m2c I can understand it not coming directly from PDM. Why not LE themselves?”
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LE has been pretty erratic about what they reveal and what they don’t throughout this investigation. It’s very strange.
And some people don’t even trust what LE DOES say! I can sort of understand that because LE could tell the public one thing (not the truth) in order to further the investigation by misleading someone or whatever their strategy might be. So I can’t account for why LE does “verify” or “release” some info and not other info. Only they know, I guess.
I believe LE won’t release Ron’s time frame at work,maybe they found a problem that indicated that possibly he could have left work without it being documented and they are investigating his alibi that he was at work the whole shift.I also believe PDM is working with LE on verifying his actual presence at the work site the whole shift.PDM also is telling all employees that Haleigh’s case is not to be discussed at work or they will be terminated,at least this is what I have heard.
I use to feel that maybe Misty didn’t know anything else. I’m not so sure of that anymore. The jail tapes have played a huge role in not being so sure anymore. I see now how she plays people with her so called emotions. And to be honest, I don’t care anymore if she was 17 or not. I don’t care anymore how she was brought up. There is a child missing and she is more important and always has been. Misty chose to play house. If she didn’t like doing it, she could have went back to her parents at any given time. But she chose not to.
looking for justice @ 10:18 am
We really cannot compare the info LE released in the monster anthony case to what’s happening here.
LE had arrested and charged monster and was developing the case against her. That information or “discovery” is available to the media per the Sunshine Law. And the info on monster’s lack of employment was part of that.
In this case no one has been charged and there is no case being prosecuted so there is no “discovery” to be “released” or otherwise made available to the media/public.
Also, I thought LE spokesperson (or whoever) Schauland already said when R got to work that day. Vaquera posted that info here the other day. Schauland said it (or was shown saying it) on a TV show but I can’t remember which one. We can ask Vaquera again.
Thank you m2c for your honest opinion and I would not expect anything less from you. Thank you.
listening that is what I am worried about. I have always strongly felt Misty knows. I do not feel though Misty is the person who did anything with or to Haleigh. I believe she knows who did or some how could be an accomplis.
I did not think Ron was involved in the beginning , but as this case has gone on my suspicions of Ron began. I just cannot rule him out yet. I am trusting LE to conduct this case with the utmost importance. I have to trust LE and that God is giving them the evidence they need to persue JUSTICE for Haleigh.
I said,
From where I sit, a whole lot of things are explained if you presume that he really was at work the whole time.
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I should have added, then you can see how those things could be explained either way. It makes it easier to see.
alethea, I agree with your 11:28 am post.
looking for justice, I know it’s frustrating but we do not know enough about anything to be able to rule anything out for sure. So for the time being maybe you could set that issue aside OR go with (a) R was at work the whole time and what theory of the case do you develop from that AND (b) R was not at work the whole time and what theory do you develop from that?
Frankly, I have thought about him leaving and even if he did I do not see what he could have done in that time that makes any sense at all -not as far as Haleigh’s disappearance goes.
PAW69, it does not bother me that M’s lawyer has told her not to talk about Haleigh. It is Standard Operating Procedure for both the innocent and the guilty. It’s just too possible for even a perfectly innocent person to say something that could be misconstrued.
The lawyer knows M’s in LE’s gun-sites (one way or the other) for this and M could dig an even deeper hole for herself than she has if she keeps talking about it.
On the other hand, I too, got a little shiver down my spine a la monster anthony when M said something in one video-call. Something about “I think about it every day…etc.” EEK!
Anything a person says is always open to interpretation. If it was said with an attorney present the attorney has the opportunity to clarify things right then and there. A good attorney will instruct a client not to talk without the attorney there.
m2c, That’s the exact reason why I feel she was told to shut up. I know the procedures with attorneys. But with what she has stated in the videos, I feel that’s why she was told to shut up, because she knows a whole lot more than she claims. Not only that, but her own father tells her not to be lying anymore.
m2c, I typed before yours posted about why Misty’s attorney told her not to talk.
Well m2c If he did not have to be to work until 5pm, like his lawyers say, then there is a possibilty Haleigh got caught up in a situation between Ron and Misty before Ron went to work and the repricussions were not a factor until later on. If only family members saw Haleigh after Ron went to work to appear to have a solid alibi then none of them are credible. I guess the only ones you could rule out would be Jr, HankSr, and Lisa Croslin. Jr could not at all be involved but is just as much a victim. Hank Sr. was in the hospital in Gainsville,Fl with Lisa Croslin at his side.
I personally am trying to rule out Ron and I prefer my theories to be based on fact not fiction. When you base theories on facts you get a better understanding to what may have happened. this is just my opinion.
I am not ruling out any possibilities in this case.
With that said,
I have noticed in the past on other blogs that some people have said that they allegedly have family members, friends or “know someone” who works for PDM. I am curious about what those people know exactly in regards to R’s true work hours for that shift on that particular night/morning.
I’ve also often wondered about the need for LE presence at PDM after it was reported that Haleigh was missing.
If it is true (thinking back to Geraldo’s line of questioning) that Ron had been using and selling drugs then who knows who he was using with, getting from and/or selling to and if that’s possible then would whomever he used with, got from or sold to be willing to cover for him at all costs especially if it meant covering their own rear as well?
Too, is it possible that threats were made?
One other thing that blows my mind is that Ron truly believed that he would be allowed to wear that gold chain necklace while incarcerated. Apparently that necklace has a sentimental value of some degree for him, that’s obvious.
I have never heard of anyone being allowed to wear any type of jewelry while being held behind bars locked up. What made Ron think it would be ok for him to have, possess and/or wear that gold necklace while in jail?
Well…. Misty ain’t listening… new thread. some of the same audio… but new tidbits.
Going to new thread.
Ron just may have friends in high places over at sing-sing!
There was a case once where a guy had been eliminated as a suspect early on because he had an air-tight alibi. His whereabouts were accounted for by a dozen or so people who were with him the entire time in question. However, some time later some of the witnesses started to wonder if he had actually been there the entire time. Some saw him arrive and some saw him leave, and some had interacted with him here and there throughout the evening, but not one of them could say they had seen him every minute of the evening.
It turned out that he had in fact left for a while without anyone missing him.
Just throwing this out there because it is possible in situations with lots of people around, especially situations where all are moving around and busy doing things, for one to leave and return without anyone noticing they were gone.
Tuff Stuff, thank you for your post. There was info I had not seen yet. Like PDM needing police presents after Haleigh coming up missing and listening posting that the employees there are not allowed to converse about the on going case. This makes me more suspicious of Ron.
I am trying to stay hopeful that Haleigh will be found safe, but with everything now being released its hard to be hopeful. I just would not want her Dad to be involved. One more child that was taken by the very one that should be loving and protecting them. I find these cases more horrid than those done by a stranger. They are all tragic and sad, but those cases that involve the parents are the worst.
looking for Justice,
I agree with you. For me it is heartbreaking to learn about any case. When it involves an innocent Child it is beyond upsetting, especially when or if the Parents are involved.
cathartic @ 12:48pm –
Exactly! So no matter who LE says is or is not a suspect at any point in time, they have not “cleared” anyone and are not going to until they have this case nailed down. Even if they feel they “know” that R was at work the whole time, until they have this figured out in every detail I’m sure they are not going to do something like that. And why should they? Unless it HELPED their investigation.
looking for justice @ 12:33 pm You said, “If only family members saw Haleigh after Ron went to work to appear to have a solid alibi then none of them are credible.”
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LE is NOT depending only on family members. They have specifically said that. There is another witness – not related – who saw Haleigh. But LE is not saying who it is or what time the person saw her.
Cathartic @ 12:29 – That’s fine! You said it better than I did anyway so it’s good you posted! Thank you!
Does anyone know why LE had a “presence” at PDM right after Haleigh’s disappearance? Does anyone know the specific nature of LE’s presence? Please let me know. TIA
Fields has been telling Misty to shut up for a long time. It started way back when she was talking freely anytime anyone shoved a microphone in her face. People already were suspicious of her conflicting account of that night. Fields is right on the mark telling her to shut up. She should have listened. I do not believe she hurt Haleigh, at least not intentionally, but her mouth is getting her in deeper than she knows.
As for Ron, I do not think he hurt Haleigh, at least not intentionally. He gives me the creeps, to be honest, but I really try not to let my opinion of him as a person be the judge of his guilt or innocence.
I do not want this to end with Ronald being involved. I hope and pray that he is proven innocent beyond ALL doubt, not because I care one bit about him, but because I look at photos of Ron and Haleigh and one thing is clear to me: Haleigh loved her daddy.
I think Ron knew darn good and well that he wasn’t allowed his chain in the jail. That was setting the stage for pretending he did not know he could get other things.
I meant to add, In my opinion.
alethea said,in February 17th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
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“could” was supposed to be “couldn’t”
I think he wants everyone to get the impression that he did this to get Misty in jail and its not working Ron, LE could have arrested her on Jan.8th with Donna Brock before Ron even sold one pill. He played all of us with the double agent nonsense the whole time. jmo
cathartic said,in February 17th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
“I do not want this to end with Ronald being involved. I hope and pray that he is proven innocent beyond ALL doubt, not because I care one bit about him, but because I look at photos of Ron and Haleigh and one thing is clear to me: Haleigh loved her daddy.”
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You’ve said it. There’s facts, and then there’s truth. Sometimes we have to see the truth before the facts add up.
m2c♥ said,
in February 17th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Does anyone know why LE had a “presence” at PDM right after Haleigh’s disappearance? Does anyone know the specific nature of LE’s presence? Please let me know. TIA
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It wasn’t right after Haleigh went missing it was the day after they let Ron go and I guess they wanted to make sure he didn’t cause a scene at the job…that’s if it’s true. I have no idea if it was or not since it was put out as a rumor.
Thank you, Vaquera! I had not heard about that before. Looks like another rumor probably and glad I missed it. It amounts to nothing either way anyway. Thank you again!
Tobias @ 1:58 – LE probably did not want to arrest M on Jan 8 because she had not bought/sold enough to warrant a high bail.
And/or they wanted to get T as well and maybe R too. But definitely they wanted more on M, I’m sure.
Have to disagree paw69, lawyers tell all clients, innocent or guilty, to shut their mouths.
rumor started by locals…people who might have actually seen something?
I’d expect any attorney to have his client clam up and only “speak” through them….just the best way to go..as per Misty not telling what she knows, if she indeed does know more, that is something that the attorney & prosecutor will work out to Misty’s best advantage. Once an agreement is made, if there is one to be made, they will check out the information to verify, then the deal goes through. Talking to anyone but her attorney is suicide.
curious said,in February 17th, 2010 at 7:01 pm Have to disagree paw69, lawyers tell all clients, innocent or guilty, to shut their mouths.
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So true. And smart clients, innocent or guilty, follow their lawyer’s advice.
cathartic,
While lawyers can be present in police interviews, they are not allowed to clarify things etc….they are only allowed to advise their client.
Misty has spoken to LE for 30 hours already and LE are still hounding her. She has nothing to gain by talking to them anymore. If Misty is charged, she will have to tell her story to a jury one day….they are the ones that will determine her fate, not LE…obviously talking to LE is not going to change that and she has nothing to gain by talking to them anymore. In any event, LE rarely get the opportunity to interview persons of interest multiple times, let alone for 30 hours. To do that with an illiterate 17 year old and not be in a position to charge her with anything a full year later, even though they claim to have invested 10000 police hours in it tells me something….they are barking up the wrong tree.
HollysGmom said,in February 17th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
I’d expect any attorney to have his client clam up and only “speak” through them….just the best way to go
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ITA!
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