Our panel this week was a little depleted, Denny Griffin is on his way to his summer location in New York state, and TJ Hart had a family emergency that precluded him from taking part. TJ, everyone sends their best, and hope that things turn out OK.
It has been a very busy week in both cases. Casey Anthony had two hearings earlier this week about motions filed on her behalf by her defense council Jose Baez. I think it is fair to say that by the end of play on Tuesday Baez, Lyon and the rest of the gang had likely stripped the local Walgreens of every bottle of Tums on the shelf.
Judge Perry seems intent on keeping the defense team on a very short leash.
As our guest, Peter Hyatt pointed out, the video feeds revealed a laughing joking team until Judge Perry entered the court room. The smirks and joviality ceased pretty darn fast.
It was also interesting that in the Tuesday hearing there was no sign of patriarch George Anthony, one caller asked if we thought his non appearance might be due to the sexual abuse allegations, was he too embarrassed to show his face?
Peter Hyatt had some interesting comments to make about the Anthony family. He has spent considerable time researching them and I doubt that he would say anything that could not be backed up. If you listen to the recording you will hear what he had to say.
Over on the Haleigh Cummings case there seems to be a scramble to see who can the best ‘deal of the week’. Ronald Cummings seems to be currently in the lead, he apparently has negotiated his way from 85 years behind bars to a more manageable 15 years.
The subject of that interesting jail tape between Tommy Croslin and Grammy Hollars also got some air time. The tape has bothered me from the moment I first heard it. I am suspicious by nature, and the timing of its release was way too convenient for my liking. The press has glommed onto the tape as Tommy fingering the infamous cousin Joe for the death of Haleigh. As Jan pointed out, that is not the case. It is Grammy Hollars that draws the conclusion. Tommy then starts to say something, but changes his mind. Listen carefully to the tape.
There were lots of subjects discussed on the program, if you missed the live broadcast you can catch the recording here.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackWonderful program. Can we hear it again? Where?
just got home..missed the show but will listen now..
There appears to be an issue with Blog Talk Radio but Simon is trying to find out what is going on. Hopefully he will have the recording up soon.
Thanks,
Jan Barrett
Thanks Jan -was trying to find the link,but couldn’t
why isn’t this article in “crime” as is typical?
hmmmmmmmmm
Simon I missed today’s show and the link is not working for me. Thank you for all you do!
Bringing this over from the other thread..
MADJGNLAW said,in May 16th, 2010 at 6:11 pm Simon, lots going on, take note that Misty is the only one so far I see that is being depo’d.
Did Misty tell what really happen? Or is she telling on who got her mixed up with the drugs to start with? I find it very intersting that she will be depo’d for the 7 charges in Putnam. I see nobody else being depo’d. Hmmm..
Take a look: Misty Croslin scheduled to take 7 depositions on drug charges 05/19/2010 AT 11:00 AM and so on..
On May 11th a NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION
was issued on the 7 drug charges in Putnam Co.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
Misty’s HEARING IN PUTNAM CO. CONTINUED TO 06/03/2010
Misty’s HEARING IN ST.JOHNS is on 06/08/2010
Hope Sykes has filed for a rehearing on her drug charges. sykes, hope a
2010-04-30 47 motion for rehearing
“snip” http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
ucn: 542010cf000143xxaxmx
2010-04-30 47 motion for rehearing
BROCK, DONNA MICHELLE
HINES, MICHAEL P
Charges: TRAFFICKING IN OXYCODONE (28 G – 30 KG) (893.135 1c1c)
Next Court Event
6/21/2010 9:00:00 AM
FELONY JURY TRIAL
BERGER, WENDY W
Courtroom 328
6/15/2010 9:00:00 AM
FELONY DOCKET CALL
BERGER, WENDY W
Courtroom 328
“Snip” http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/05/14/news/news01.txt
Published: Thursday, May 13, 2010
Hank Croslin Jr. drug charges were continued to June 3 while the grand theft charge was set for trial on June 21.
“Snip” http://staugustine.com/news/2010-05-13/haleighs-father-negotiating-15-year-sentence-drug-case
Shoemaker said negotiations are not finished but part of the expected deal would mean Ronald Cummings would not be sentenced until after the Croslins are tried. Maybe 2 charges dropped, that will still leave 3 charges that could get Ronald 15-30 yrs per charge. Not just a total of 15yrs.
The judge assign a trial date of July 19, 2010 and a final date the court will accept a negotiated deal-plea agreement .
Hank Sr. and Lisa plead their cases and are on probation.
Thank You Jan. Will check back in a bit, hope your feeling better! Hugs sent your way!
hey guys! are more tapes coming? lol
The recording is fixed now for those of you that want to hear it.
Thanks everyone,
Jan Barrett
wow Thanx so much Jan!
Well, then who is Tommy referring to on the call with his nanny when he tells Grama Flo “Go get his f***** punk a** and put him in jail” and when he says ““Don’t let him know guys, for real, ‘cause his a** is out to run”. 😕
Guys,I found some interesting statement anaylisis and such on this link!
The Tommy Tapes Topic?
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/05/tommy-tapes-continued.html
Who is ‘Peanut’, that Lindsay refused to take money from, does anyone know?
Hank sr said that cruisin susan not tommy.
Kellie: I think “Peanut” may be Lisa’s nickname, Tommy’s mom. Can anyone verify that?
april said,in May 16th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
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Listen to the Nancy Grace show videos. The first comment by Tommy is in the first 30 seconds of the Tommy Croslin: Nancy 5/14/10 Part 1 video posted by Sierra1947 on youtube and the second one is on the Tommy Croslin: Nancy 5/14/10 Part 3 video. Check them out.
april said,in May 16th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Hank sr said that cruisin susan not tommy.
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Listen to the Nancy Grace show videos. The first comment by Tommy is in the first 30 seconds of the Tommy Croslin: Nancy 5/14/10 Part 1 video posted by Sierra1947 on youtube and the second one is on the Tommy Croslin: Nancy 5/14/10 Part 3 video. Check them out.
my understanding was that lindsey refused to take money from hank and lisa. peanut i think is nickname for cousin joes mama.
Thank you, Penny. Got my Croslin bunch mixed up!
I listened…distracted…listened…doing stuff etc..didn’t sound like reg. show..I couldn’t figure out what these guys were even talking about..SO THERE’S AN ISSUE..glad not just me 😉
It stopped and re-started..and i was lost then..
SECOND TIME AROUND… 🙂
Is Joe’s mother’s name Tina? Could it be not clear on tape and it just sounds like Peanut?
laughing…WHY DOES Jan Barretts’ name stand out when it’s the same size and font as everyone else…
IT DOES…sorry off topic ..just an observation..
😉 😉
JUST BEIN PLAYFUL JAN.. BUT IT DOES TO ME..LOL 😉
No.. Tina is joes mama but her nick is pnut.. on the tape flo tells tommy she isnt sure if he should tell his mama cause she would then call peanut right away and he didnt want joe to know he was saying anything..
Those N/G videos are very interesting CruisinSusan……..TYVM!
Does anyone know who is making a movie and trying to reap off a child’s disappearance?I am so disgusted by this,who is sucking off this?LE doesn’t even know what all happened or is not releasing it.Most of what we have is rumor and theories.So who became involved so they could make money off it?
CathyJo63 said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:01 pm Those N/G videos are very interesting CruisinSusan……..TYVM!
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🙂 CathyJo. Sometimes the transcripts aren’t correct so that’s why I posted the youtube videos. I didn’t post the link to the youtube site because my posts seem get lost in cyberland when I try to post urls.
ann:
Just click onto the recording here that is right at the bottom of the above article.
Enjoyed the show Simon, I like listening to Peter Hyatt, he’s a very astute guy in MHO. I could listen to his take on things all day. Anyway he thinks something will be coming to fruition soon. I hope he’s right but if not it was at least comforting to hear it said.
WinterRose said,
in May 16th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Does anyone know who is making a movie and trying to reap off a child’s disappearance?I am so disgusted by this,who is sucking off this?LE doesn’t even know what all happened or is not releasing it.Most of what we have is rumor and theories.So who became involved so they could make money off it?
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Hmmm? I got the impression it may be the mothers side of the family from what PH said.
I really think the release of that tape is purposeful by Joe Werter; it all coincides with the timing of the pre-trials, Ronald’s plea bargaining, and probably taking enough time to gather the evidence carefully and sort it out with a fine tooth comb.
If they aren’t careful, whoever does end up going to trial for Haleigh’s murder could get off with a TECHNICALITY; we certainly don’t want that happening here. (plus appeals)
We know the Prosecution and these Defense Attorneys are working together behind closed doors. (This case seems to be that type.) It’s not like the Casey Anthony case; this case involves so many people and will undoubtedly have some many plea deals, that it would be feasible. jmo
Gotcha Cruisin Susin,good point! lol i am listening to the wbg video now,He said Misty was using roxies and cocaine with him ,
omg? a movie,are you serious,really??
I was just told Wayanne is signed on as screenwriter?Is this true,anyone?She was there a minute,what does she know?The only thing she can do is pose for a camera.Pffttt!!!
another thing i think is tthe person trying to see the Tommy tapes,assuming its true……should be charged as an accomplice or obstruction of JUSTICE!!!
Has anyone noticed an ad site is commandeering the blogger-news network Jan and Simon articles the past few days. If you look at the site it is octo…..it has a number one listing relating to the articles in google.
A movie should be done on how people get themselves involved in missing children’s cases to make money off it.
Heres a link for items of interest found in the home!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha3luOp4eEA&NR=1
WinterRose said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:28 pm A movie should be done on how people get themselves involved in missing children’s cases to make money off it.
Truer words were never spoken…..Amen Sista!
Hold,her facebook says she’s been hired as Casting director.~eyes rolling~
WinterRose said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:23 pm I was just told Wayanne is signed on as screenwriter?Is this true,anyone?She was there a minute,what does she know?The only thing she can do is pose for a camera.Pffttt!!!
I second that pfftt,just wait……a doll will be next?
God that burns my butt!!!!! Capitalizing off Haleigh,the victim once again!
CathyJo63 said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:21 pm Gotcha Cruisin Susin,good point! lol i am listening to the wbg video now,He said Misty was using roxies and cocaine with him ,
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Is that the same one where he talks about people thinking he’s working with the cops because he beat some of his charges? If it is, did you also hear him say that Misty’s parents are riding around trying to find out where he lives and they’re making death threats? 😯
CathyJo Hi, what is the complete name for Wayanne ,so I get the right facebook page.? Thanks Mer
There is no closure for Haleigh here yet! A movie OMG! Crazy! Poor Haleigh, I feel so sorry for her.
Linda B: are u here?
I dunno if its the one,specifically..i’ll have to relisten….I just watched the 1st bit of it where he says he did drugs with her and she was supposed to call him back?
then my eye caught the one i posted of items of interest and well,I was more interested in it than finishing,lol
I dunno if its the one,specifically..i’ll have to relisten….I just watched the 1st bit of it where he says he did drugs with her and she was supposed to call him back?
then my eye caught the one i posted of items of interest and well,I was more interested in it than finishing,lol
A promise on a balloon to HaLeigh,what was the promise?To make money off her disappearance?GMAB
Wayanne? Sorry i don’t know who that is?
Cruisin Susan: Tommy is referring to Joe. He calls him many “nice” words!! I really don’t agree with the ones who speculate that GH put words in Tommy’s mouth….when Tommy said “but” that could have meant so many different things. If we listen to that audio, it clearly shows that Tommy is releaved and is just finally “spilling his guts” so to speak.jmo
homespain said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:35 pm CathyJo Hi, what is the complete name for Wayanne ,so I get the right facebook page.? Thanks Mer
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Wayanne Kruger
Why do we never hear or see Rons sister? i mean besides the fact we can’t fit her hair on this page?
this is the only thing i have seen her in!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9MLiODzVxA&feature=related
looks to me like she’s clutching that chair for dear life,lol
I still am wondering what everyone’s opinion is about why NayNay’s name was mentioned and seemed to be an important thing for Tommy to have to be aware of.
Also, I am still curious and sceptical of the gH part where she stops and fumbles over that she did talk to Misty that morning, sounded like she was taking cues from Joe’s mom.
cathyjo- wayanne -name of person scree writing the movie who is on face book
wanted to look it up
how did u all find out a movie was being made- source or link please?
ty Cruisin Susan,ahaaaaa
cruisin susan- thanks so much
ronfan said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:41 pm Cruisin Susan: Tommy is referring to Joe….
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That’s my impression, too. I also noticed a difference in the tone and urgency in the way Tommy spoke with Grama Flo on the latest call. It was so different from all the other calls that have been released.
HomeSpain,I don’t know i saw this post,lol
WinterRose said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:12 pm Does anyone know who is making a movie and trying to reap off a child’s disappearance?I am so disgusted by this,who is sucking off this?LE doesn’t even know what all happened or is not releasing it.Most of what we have is rumor and theories.So who became involved so they could make money off it?
I know I’m not well like here, but I really do value everyone’s answers. I have consistenly posted about how great all of you are. I do get on my podium and get opinionated too, but I do get carried away w/my sarcasm. My opinions of Joe are harsh, but Can’t Help It, when I see him I get the cooties!!!!
Consequently, I know and apologize also, because when I post about him, I am just plain mean. Sorry again everyone. Don’t black ball me guys.
Well,i hope his/her movie flops,thats just forbidden to me!
Please tell me the movie deal is just a rumor. That’s disgusting considering there is no resolution to this case as of yet. And to make money off this child’s case is wrong on all levels. If the mother’s side is responsible, I would have to know their reason for doing it and I see no other reason besides monetary. I am disgusted to say the least. Shame on the person who is willing to make money off this poor child and the sad circumstances that might have befallen her!
k CathyJo tx mer
Heck,if it is the family wanting a movie to be made then i say they all move into cindy and georges house and split the mortgage so they’ll all be happy!
no problemo rnonfan
robin said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:48 pm Please tell me the movie deal is just a rumor.
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Hi robin. Go to Wayanne’s Facebook and read the long entry by clicking on (See More). Here’s part of her entry on Facebook:
Wayanne Kruger Update: May 16, 2010
Production company pays first installment check for Screen Writer to begins the script for cable channel Premier Movie on the Haleigh Case. Based on interviews, transcripts, police reports, public information……
ronfan said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:47 pm I know I’m not well like here, but I really do value everyone’s answers. I have consistenly posted about how great all of you are. I do get on my podium and get opinionated too, but I do get carried away w/my sarcasm. My opinions of Joe are harsh, but Can’t Help It, when I see him I get the cooties!!!!
Consequently, I know and apologize also, because when I post about him, I am just plain mean. Sorry again everyone. Don’t black ball me guys.
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Will you stop sayin that,You are too liked here!
I like ya! the fact you’re here says alot so……don’t worry.lol
OJ gets slammed all the time but he knows we luvem’ lol
and we have all been mean sometime,how can ya not when every detail keeps changing!
No movie can be made until the case is solve anyway, right? Heck, anyone can write a screenplay right now on just about anything. She’s dreaming!!! Who is she gonna mail it too? OMg disgusting…and greedy.
Cruisin’ Susan said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:52 pm robin said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:48 pm Please tell me the movie deal is just a rumor.
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Hi robin. Go to Wayanne’s Facebook and read the long entry by clicking on (See More). Here’s part of her entry on Facebook:
Wayanne Kruger Update: May 16, 2010
Production company pays first installment check for Screen Writer to begins the script for cable channel Premier Movie on the Haleigh Case. Based on interviews, transcripts, police reports, public information……
OMG THEM DIRTY DOGS!!!!!!!!!!
levi show starting..it was pretty good last week
A movie based on lies……………..now theres a new one!!! grrrrrr not based on truth?
just like the HBC! Imo….money grubbers!
cruisin susan I have found two facebook pages, but it appears neither are the right one
no one should be allowed to do that and victimize Haleigh again….any victim!
thats all it does,what about when JR grows up and goes back to search all this stuff!
don’t you listen to the shows cathy?
No,where is that one OJ??
NEVER LISTENED TO ANY OF THE SHOWS ONLINE?
homespain said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm cruisin susan I have found two facebook pages, but it appears neither are the right one
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okay, I’ll post the link in my next post and keep my fingers crossed it comes through, lol.
blogtalkradio. com/ levipage /2010/05/17/the-levi -page- show
homespain said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm cruisin susan I have found two facebook pages, but it appears neither are the right one
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Take out the spaces
h t t p: // w w w. facebook .com/ profile.php?id=100000819684247&v=wall
Well, posting the link with spaces didn’t work, lol. Let me give you the number
id=100000819684247&v=wall
copy that, paste in the address bar after www. close the spaces and refresh
http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/profile.html?pid=491739816
Wayanne Kruger
Ronfan,
I like you. I dont care that we disagree. If you say it with conviction and back it up without a cut and paste job, what’s not to like.
Plus, I can tell ron has you in his powerful, yet misguided spell. Like a david koresh, or the fonz.:)
WON’T GO oj?
No way. I can’t understand a movie making based on lies even if the truth were out. It’s not fair to Haleigh.
did you close the spaces?
Cruisin susan not clear on the id= ….etc. tx anyways
homespain said,in May 16th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Cruisin susan not clear on the id= ….etc. tx anyways
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Oh, geesh, I wish the link would come through because it’s an interesting read. 🙁
I’ll give it one more try in another post. Wish me luck. 😆
Yes i did OJ and my connection,lol
had to reboot
Ronfan,
I like hearing from Ronfan too. This case has so many open ends to it that anything could be a possibility. If Ronald was not directly involved in his daughters possible death, than his lifestyle seems to have played a big role in it. In any event he is paying dearly for his choices, losing a daughter now a son and long term prison time. Not a good place to be. Hopefully, others will learn from this awful story and become better parents, and if necessary get themselves into drug rehab. JMO
Okay, it’s not working so just search for:
Wayanne Kruger (Rae Elisabeth Klein)
The image on her facebook has her pointing while standing in front of the American flag. I sure hope that helps homespain.
might be easier to go to blogtalkradio.com and find the levi page show
LoL Jaba,Koresh or Fonz.rofl
well ill betcha it would OJ,TY LoL
ahaaaaaaaa,it Werked,lol
OJ’s glove said,in May 16th, 2010 at 9:24 pm might be easier to go to blogtalkradio.com and find the levi page show
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😆 I think so, OJ’s glove. I give up on trying to link anytning since I’m a dork with links it seems.
mind blowing breaking news?? wowwwww reckon thats related to a bombshell? lol
I also can’t understand how people don’t see that Tommy isn’t afraid of Joe cuz of his SIZE, it’s his well agreed upon by family members “crazy” mentality. Isn’t it feasible that Joe has some low life drug connections that would be willing to do anything for a fix….this is the lifestyle of these people, we all know that. That is what Tommy and Misty are afraid of. They are afraid of Joe’s connections which are probably bona fide crack heads, who are capable of anything.
I keep asking why don’t these media folks see this? It’s the drug lifestyle; everyone has low type friends, guys who would do anything to get drugs or money….
Joe’s personality is fitting of what he was attempting to do and killed Haleigh over (alledgedly)… stealing an assault rifle..
Once again, I will state a fact here, no one has an ASSAULT RIFLE just for kicks and giggles!!!! Ronald had that for protection and for drugs. Nuff said!!!! Even the media can’t put 2 + 2 together…
maryd said,in May 16th, 2010 at 9:24 pm Ronfan,
I like hearing from Ronfan too. This case has so many open ends to it that anything could be a possibility. If Ronald was not directly involved in his daughters possible death, than his lifestyle seems to have played a big role in it. In any event he is paying dearly for his choices, losing a daughter now a son and long term prison time. Not a good place to be. Hopefully, others will learn from this awful story and become better parents, and if necessary get themselves into drug rehab. JMO
Thats exactly right,If it DOES turn out ron did anything then how would we know he didn’t set misty up for it,too many possibilities,and i aint saying thats true but being fair..lol
OJ: why does Levi Page hate my Ron so much? He’s really mean to him.
Thats exactly right,If it DOES turn out ron did anything then how would we know he didn’t set misty up for it,too many possibilities,and i aint saying thats true but being fair..lol
meant to add,even OJ’s theory misty was set up,sorry,lol
Thanks for all your efforts Crusin Susan. Maybe I’m tired…., what does the Levi Page radio show have to do with Wayanne kruger? Is she on the show talking about screenwriting for the movie?
Cathyj,
I’ll be darned if I know at this point who is guilty and what their guilty of. Wheeling & dealing and finger pointing. There is nobody really trustworthy in this bunch. But don’t tell ronfan or OJ. Shhhhhhhh
ronfan said,in May 16th, 2010 at 9:30 pm OJ: why does Levi Page hate my Ron so much? He’s really mean to him.
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same with my misty
I’ll take that secret to my grave Mary!
I don’t see one of them i’d trust to the bathroom and back!
RonFan, I’m sure you’ve already said why you are a fan of Ron already. You up to letting me know why? Not being facetious here. tx Mer
homespain said,in May 16th, 2010 at 9:34 pm Thanks for all your efforts Crusin Susan. Maybe I’m tired…., what does the Levi Page radio show have to do with Wayanne kruger? Is she on the show talking about screenwriting for the movie?
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No, Wayanne isn’t on the Levi show (I’m listening right now). Wayanne was the victim’s advocate that assisted Crystal early on before she was sent packing when Kim Picazio came on scene. But, it’s Wayanne who has the information on her facebook about the movie deal.
Hopefully someone else can post the link that knows what the heck they’re doing. 🙂
LoL OJ! Silly! lol
wooooo,rons work discussion? he wuz at werk ppl!
someone asked how TN got her pic so fast,someone replied.a printer in her truck,lol
tx cruisin susan,
brb phone dtr
cathyjo63 what does brb mean, and wh’s phone dtr
Jaba: How did you know????? Yes, I admit, I am a “Ronette”!!!
Seriously, though, I remember hearing that 911 call on good ole Mizz Nancee the first time it aired. I follow the Caylee case, and on the show that night, all of a sudden, she really did have a “Breaking News” story, and it was the Haleigh case…when I heard Ron’s desperate voice, and hearing his words, and saying what he did, as if he didn’t care who heard him, like he felt NO NEED TO IMPRESS ANYONE, it seemed he was so desperate, enough to even incriminate himself right then and there on that 911 call…I said good!!! Its about dang time someone calls in a 911 and just screams and let’s it all out! I felt instantly from his voice that he knew who took his daughter and he was sending a DIRECT MESSAGE TO THAT MESSAGE. A direct threat to the scumbag who took his heart. I have always said that this case was never meant to blow up like it did. I don’t even think Ron knew it would make media attention, and that he assumed or betted on the fact that it was Joe and that his threats would scare Joe into bringing Haleigh back, that Joe was holding Haleigh to use as a revenge tactic against Ron. I don’t think Ron ever thought Haleigh was actually dead. You can tell from his comments following that first day. He would always be very careful to include “whoever” “whether it’s one, two people”, etc…just so specific it made me feel that Ronald was hinting the whole time that HE KNEW WHO TOOK HIS DAUGHTER.
It seems like no matter what kind of life Ron had, no matter what past, he was determined to be a good Daddy no matter what. I don’t believe all the here-say about pills lying around, etc…and people always at his house…I bet Ron would kick some a** if anyone came over in front of his kids in any uncompromising way.
He seems like the type who would do what he wanted on “his own time” but definitely not around his children.
1878 Philadelphia Trade dollar Grade 62. For sale $ 62,000. firm
JABA: Sorry about the long post. You know I get carried away when I talk about my boy.
be right back=brb
dtr-daughter
Sorry Home,I am on phone with my dtr,lol
How do I delete that comment above… was writing on a different tab and it crossed over. spooky. Sorry
I am not a multitasker,lucky to chew gum and walk at the same time!lol
LoL Homespain,i thought wth? I am a cherrypicker myself,lol
grade 62.whewwww
WinterRose said,in May 16th, 2010 at 8:28 pm A movie should be done on how people get themselves involved in missing children’s cases to make money off it.
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Yes, and maybe one day a study/book will be released for college courses re the 1st Amendment and justice in America. I can just see it: “Bombshell: The Haleigh Cummings case and How tabloid journalism, incompetent mainstream reporters, and internet blogging,….” Seriously.
Did what? That is the question.
With plenty of examples from blogs on the Haleigh case of course.
JMO
tx cathyjo
tx?
CathyJo: That aint nuthin’, I told my husband he better gear up cuz I plan on sending My Ronnie boy commissary money!!!! He thought I was serious!!! I held a straight face the whole time. LOL.
Okay, so what if I walk around wearing my screen print t shirts of Ron’s picture with bold print saying “free me” , “I’m innocent” , hey,does anyone want one? LOL!!
If anyone is interested in sending him boxer shorts or socks, i have his size and preference. Thank you in advance.. JJ.
p.s. I know what snacks he likes,too.
Diane Fanning wrote a book about Caylee Anthony, gosh I think it was aprox one year ago…… and I think the title was “Mommy’s Little Girl”…. A lot of people make money from tragedy, and like Ms. Fanning have no tie genetically or socially to the victim or the victim’s family….. IMHO just another pitiful individual trying to make a dollar from the tragic loss of a child.
So anyone can write a book or sell a playwright about any murder, that of a child or an adult.. trial or not….conviction or not… what is perhaps more sad is the public buying whatever that person is selling.
RF,
I agree, ron would mad-dog a s.o.b. if there was a direct threat. I don’t think he’s a punk dad in that way.
Every OTHER way, yes, and I think you know that too.
LoL RonFan,I’d say he did about cam over,lol
afraid you’d ask for a commisary visit,rofl
you got that right Jnet!!!!
There you go Alethea. You said it!
Cathy Jo, yea 62 grade! It’s a lovely one. You a collector too?
My niece in Ky married a guy serving 63 yrs for murder….drug deal gone bad or sommin?
She got 1 commisary meeting,lol that night,and kept getting banned from visits cuz she was innaproriate!lol sheeeeeesh now divorced and he’s still in prison!
Course i never met him,didn’t care too!
Coppers only,Just cherrypick,got into it 3 yrs ago and love it!
Coppers only,Just cherrypick,got into it 3 yrs ago and love it!
Cathy Jo tx= thanks for explaining yourself and helping me learn acronyms.
actually they are congigal visits……anyone know the right word,i can’t seem to recall it,lol
ron needs some thigh lotion. Apparently he has a rash that causes the ‘bow-legged’ strut of the bad-ass species known as “homobadassien”
oh,ok.kinda thought so but wasn’t sure Homespain!lol
or the mumps fell on him Jaba,rofl
I was watchings vids earlier and everyone of em’ he’s walking that way! lol like his knees are wooden or sommin,lol
You guys are crackin’ me up! Have a great night!
nite all
Sorry Ron fan’s,no pun intended,I’d talk about my bro if he walked that way,lol
Gnite Alethea!
Gnite Alethea!
Ron needs bolitas cream, pobrecito.
CathyJo63 said,in May 16th, 2010 at 10:06 pm actually they are congigal visits……anyone know the right word,i can’t seem to recall it,lol
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been there done that with my ex when she was in ciw..california institude for women..she knew the manson ladies and I dated a sister of a manson clan member..those were the days.
I knew it, after OJ’s last post… OJ is actually JO
He might appear small, and with no criminal record of violence, but Misty has claimed he molested her as a child, a story her mother also told me, and repeated so often, despite Overstreet’s denials, it’s become Satsuma swamp lore.
We have not reported it on this site until now because journalism ethics commonly dictate restraint in reporting names of underage sex abuse victims and details, but I now believe Misty’s claims may take on a new relevance as an alibi, or excuse, as to why she didn’t try to stop the murder of a little girl.
Aryts site……..rofl
Journalists ethics.omg
omg OJ,Did she rob a bank fur ye?
well my gosh OJ,why didn’t you root for her,or is it you did and thats why she went to jail? sorry i am funnin’ k?
but is that true OJ? or you makin it up?
OJ Said,
I dated a sister of a manson clan member..those were the days.
Those were the days that made you lose your mind,no wonder you’re a big ole pain,lmbo! j/k
I think I dated mansons brother once……tg thats over….rofl
took me out on a dang boat and couldn’t swim,OMG!
all true..
so you dated manson’s bro? ..interesting
A trial date for Ronald Cummings remains scheduled for July 19.
i believe i did.seriously.he has to be related somehow!
Is this a new tat? Haleigh’s name and an angel. http://www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin
do you know how scary that is?
A blind date is scary nuff.then in the middle of the lake you learn..he can’t swim?
Manson didn’t have a brother
oh yes he did,i met him…….lol
the lady I dated and her mom, both biker chicks went to the spann ranch to drag her brother away (also a biker) because they got wind of a raid..they got him out just before the raid went down.
you know i am kidding right?
But seriously i wonder!
omg! shewwwww close!!
I saw the crime scene,well Sharon Tates home after the murder,evidence pix.omg bad!!!!!!!!!
I had the conjugal visits, there ok..private lil cabin, very tiny, there was two in a fenced off area with a lil playground if the couples had kids. I got some pot in, it was great to visit and touch.
ahaa,i couldn’t rememmber how to spell it,lol
Cruisin’ Susan said,
in May 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
homespain said,in May 16th, 2010 at 9:34 pm Thanks for all your efforts Crusin Susan. Maybe I’m tired…., what does the Levi Page radio show have to do with Wayanne kruger? Is she on the show talking about screenwriting for the movie?
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No, Wayanne isn’t on the Levi show (I’m listening right now). Wayanne was the victim’s advocate that assisted Crystal early on before she was sent packing when Kim Picazio came on scene. But, it’s Wayanne who has the information on her facebook about the movie deal.
Hopefully someone else can post the link that knows what the heck they’re doing. 🙂
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Here you go,it’s a screenshot of her latest posting on FB
http://i41.tinypic.com/2z5r4fp.jpg
pot?? huh? lol
I’d say it was Oj!
CathyJo63 said,in May 16th, 2010 at 10:34 pm I saw the crime scene,well Sharon Tates home after the murder,evidence pix.omg bad!!!!!!!!!
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my buddy got into the house a few days after..he didn’t mess with anything just looked. It was hairy back then now that I think of it but at the time it was just the norm.
Ron and Misty are innocent of harming Haliegh or for her dissappearance. Misty is guilty of child endangerment. Ron is guilty of not killing the person he knows who did this!!!!
Truth is in the lie:
911: “OK…alright…You said your back door was wide open?”
Misty Croslin: “yes- it was bricked- there was a brick on the floor…when I was asleep it was not like that.”
Question: How does Misty know it was not like that when she was asleep?
Answer: 1. Because it was placed there while she was awake. OR 2. She talks like a 17y/o that dropped out in 6th grade.
I think she either 1. put it there herself to cover her ass with Ron for not knowing what happened that night, so pretended there was a break in. OR 2. She really did wake up and it was propped open like that.
Either way, she is innocent of harming haliegh and so is ron.
Just my thoughts.
WinterRose said,
in May 16th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
I was just told Wayanne is signed on as screenwriter?Is this true,anyone?She was there a minute,what does she know?The only thing she can do is pose for a camera.Pffttt!!!
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She’s going to be casting the damn thing too. Now who brought in Wayanne to begin with?? Marie, of course. That tells me everything I need to know on what side of the family is doing this.
Al Springer was a member of the motorcycle gang called the Straight Satans who had been involved with the Manson Family off and on- any relation to him?
right OJ,
OMG no way i could walk in the place!!!!!!
The place where my husbands life ended isn’t a qtr. mile from where i live now and can’t even drive by there?..well i am saying he passed the next day at the U of Tn…..but it happened here in town!
Kellie in Australia said,
in May 16th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Who is ‘Peanut’, that Lindsay refused to take money from, does anyone know?
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Peanut is Joe’s mother. If you listen to the unedited phone call tape you can hear them talk about the money Lindsy refused was from Hank/Lisa.
omg Vaq.seriously? oh nooooo
sickening, huh?
Then Marie posted after Wayanne yesterday acting all disgusted..I re read Kim Picazio’s bar complaint rebuttal again last night and Marie just disgusted me all over again.
Can someone tell me NayNay’s real name. I can’t find it anywhere.
homespain said,in May 16th, 2010 at 10:48 pm Al Springer was a member of the motorcycle gang called the Straight Satans who had been involved with the Manson Family off and on- any relation to him?
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not that I know of…but she did introduce me to movie producer who made biker flicks in the 60s..he was connected with the bikers at the ranch.
Kristina previtt?? I think,lol
Kristina Renee Prevatt (aka “Nay-Nay”)
Friend of Amber Brooks, also a friend of Misty, is called “Nay-Nay”. Has said that Ron doesn’t like her, that Ron would get mad when/if Haleigh told him that “Nay-Nay” had come to their home. Nay-Nay has a nine-month-old daughter named Destiny, who is in the custody of the father, Donovan Spells, 47
The week before Haleigh went missing, reportedly Ron and Misty got into an argument, and Misty went over to her brother’s home. She reportedly called Nay-Nay to come get her. Nay-Nay reportedly picked her up from her brother’s home and they went cruising around the area. Nay-Nay claims to have then introduced Misty to a local man, named Greg Page, aka “White Boy Greg”. That meeting reportedly resulted in a couple of days of sex and drug use for Misty and Greg, and perhaps others including Nay-Nay, on the weekend before Haleigh went missing. That weekend is also referred to as Misty’s “three-day bender”.
vaquera said,in May 16th, 2010 at 10:56 pm sickening, huh?
Then Marie posted after Wayanne yesterday acting all disgusted..I re read Kim Picazio’s bar complaint rebuttal again last night and Marie just disgusted me all over again.
********* right,curdles my insides!
did you see the part where mg gave Haleighs shoes away? when they asked her for them so gunny would get her scent,she said,i gavem away?
she turns my guts faster than anything!
Who? Nay Nay?
nay nay is kind of a cute nicknmae..
whats your cathy?
I’m up to my boot tops in bullsh-t about now.:)
Love to see the proof of those claims. Zowie!!
I’m starting to feel sorry for LE trying to deal with these low life’s while they’re trying to solve a missing child case. I think I might want to quit or retire from this case because of so much interference. Now someone else wants to gain fame and financial gain from a missing child. She said she was there to help give support to the family and find their child. Where does the GREED end? Tell me what good person profits off a missing child and proclaims to be concerned about the missing child? It seems to happen with these vultures over and over again. I will not watch any movie she’s connected with concerning HaLeigh!!!!!! I hope if the network that promotes this movie loses viewers and the so called adviser loses her reputation as a DO GOODER. How dare anyone do this to children who have been endangered. We’re suppose to be their protectors not profit from their demise.
disgusted,Thats funny………her kids lived the same way as any other drugger!
she sold drugs,her kids were taken and a movie disgusted her,rofl..tell that to a mule it’d kick her brains out!
the only ones i ever had were toothpick with teeth and cashis clay!
in school tho,lol OJ!
Now its plain ole cat,cathy,mamam! lol
That makes 2 of us Judith!
LoL oj,
I was born Kathy Gail but was adopted at 12 and got to choose my own name so i changed the k to a c and i loved petticoat junction,remember that show? well i am named after betty jo’s baby! lol
I am Cathy Jo!
OJ – Right after the Tate-LaBianca murders, word was they killed 5 more people. There’s allot of unsolved murders attributed to them.
Your friends are very lucky they didn’t get caught up with the arrests related to the killings.
Supposedly Manson’s real dad was Col.Scott. Years later Col. Scott’s brother was murdered. It was suspected at that time that Manson killed him. But were unable to prove it at the time. That would be an interesting cold case to revisit if they kept any forensics on the case.
what claims Jaba?
Next thing you know we’ll have jefferey dahlmers personal chef on the ‘show’ here. 🙂
iffin i can find proof,i will! for ya?
it is funny to me that ppl will pay thousands for a murederers autograph…etc……I don’t get it!
wth cares?
yep I liked pettycoat junction..beverly hillbillys was my favorite
homespain: Sorry, I just came back to computer; I saw ur post at 9:38!! I must have gotten caught in the cross-posting syndrome! By the time I finished my way too long post (novel) I missed it; Sorry again, but I very much appreciate your curiousity.
See my 9:50 post to Jaba; that’s how I got so intrigued by Ronald. It’s just a gut feeling I got when I heard the 911 call; then when I saw him on TV, I had the same feeling. Just a gut reaction, first impression. When I heard his voice on that 911 call, I cried so hard. All I could say was, now there’s a man who is pleading, scared, and desperately heartbroken. His voice had that passion that only comes with the love we have for our own children. Everytime I saw him, I saw such a heartbroken, broken spirited man; but he never stopped his insistence about media concentrating on Haleigh….my favorite thing about him is that he isn’t a man who is afraid to show all of his emotions. He doesn’t back down. It’s about time parent’s of missing children screamed at the top of their lungs for justice, and to hell with what anyone thinks!!! I hope Ron does what he swore he will do one day, and we all know what that is.
Whoever did it, (I think Joe), I hope he gets right there in that same prison, in GP, and then LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!
You know what they say: Karma is a bit**!!
Whatever you do, it comes right back to bite you in the arse, and Joe better watch out, cuz it’s gonna be Ron’s fist!!! LOL
Okay, I’ll spare everyone from my Ron-love for the night. Goodnight all.
Very interesting Cathy Jo.. Petticoat Junction.. I lived outside US growing up and summers visited Gramma here in US and saw the show. .. Memories
If the movie was made well and all proceeds went to a verifiable charity that aided kidnapped children directly and/ or family in the aftermath of a tragedy, it would at least be tolerable.
CathyJo63 said,in May 16th, 2010 at 11:13 pm it is funny to me that ppl will pay thousands for a murederers autograph…etc……I don’t get it!
wth cares?
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haven’t seen that on ebay
Right HomeSpain,exactly it would but its sad that if it did,ppl would prolly be less interested……….a shame!!!!!!
I hope not OJ,LOL But i love documentaries and saw a couple where ppl have paid big bux for JWG ‘s autograph,and others…….I am shocked they’re not on ebay…..everything else is!
I miss those old shows,lol no cable sniff sniff!
The wildest ones of the day. I’m not the only one shaking my head and laughing. 🙂
Don’t worry about it, there is no proof and none will even be offered.
Just as in the case of John Gacy, Charles Manson’s legacy has developed into a twisted notoriety. Manson memorabilia is widely collected and his handwritten letters from prisons in San Quentin, Vacaville, Folsom, and Corcaran, California, sell for thousands of dollars.
Revenue resulting from notoriety of Manson’s felonies is used for the benefit of family members of his victims. In February 1994, Bartlomiej “Bartek” Frykowski, the only son of Wojciech Frykowski, received partial satisfaction of judgment in the amount of $72,608.26 from Geffen Records. This was partial settlement of a judgment he obtained in 1971 against Charles Manson. In 1995, the Attorney General of California issued a subpoena for payment of royalties for music released by Geffen Records to be used for the benefit of family members who had been victims of Charles Manson. Both of these documents were signed by Charles Manson.
oh,LoL I thought you meant proof of a movie….etc….
Thanks Ronfan, for your point of view. Tell you what, if I knew one hundred percent that Jo killed my daughter, he would have been alligator food. Given all the talk that was going on from the beginning that Jo had something to do with it, he’s lucky he’s still alive.
People talk allot about Jo being culpable of Haleigh’s disappearance. And the latest story about him killing Haleigh over a firearm that wasn’t there is real odd. It just doesn’t make sense unless it had something to do with the fact that Ron had humiliated him earlier that week, and accused him of stealing a weapon. Given that background it possibly could make more sense that he was enraged to the point of hurting Ron, by hurting Haleigh. But again the story that he went into Haleigh’s room and killed her- how could he do that, in a rage, w/o JR seeing him? Very convoluted isn’t it?
CathyJo63 said,in May 16th, 2010 at 11:20 pm I hope not OJ,LOL But i love documentaries and saw a couple where ppl have paid big bux for JWG ’s autograph,and others…….I am shocked they’re not on ebay…..everything else is!
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I like documentaries, carl jung is good, Joseph Campbell on myths is interesting.
exactly Homespain,thats the part i just don’t get period? how is that? no one heard her,they all just stood there and let it happen?
i just don’t see the little guy Jo being that bad arsed,ya know? and what gun did he hold on them,thought the guns were gone from rons house,or hidden rather? and if he had his own gun,why did they wanna barrow one?
have you guys heard this?
i read today that when Tommy and Lisa went to use the phone of the neighbor he stole the gun from? it was 3 o’clock in the morning,wth uses a neighbors phone at 3 a.m unless its an emergency??
I am appalled about this movie. And the Griffis/Sheffields wonder why people think they may be to blame? It is things like this that show their poor taste. The LAST thing I would be thinking about when my beautiful daughter is missing and presumed dead is MAKING A MOVIE. I am very suspicious about what they hope to gain from this and frankly very suspicious of them at the moment. LE has put the Cummings/Croslins under the microscope. I think its high time they put the Sheffields/Griffis under the same umbrella of suspicion. I believe ANYONE who profits off a missing/murdered child should be held under intense scrutiny. I bet if NG gets wind of this, she will be spitting fire for sure. AH would be burnt beyond recognition with the flames of NG’s wrath for Crystal since she has always defended Ron. JMO
I’d have my guard up for that alone? and what?? did he then steal the dish liquid too? crazy!
Bingo Robin,My God do they not know Sindy and G/a?
Wth wants to use a neighbors phone at 3 am?
Answer: a drug doin’ theif, whi else? They all roll to my door at about 10 minutes to 3 am for a conference call to talk about healthcare costs rising. That doesn’t happen to everybody? Wow, didn’t know I was that special.
lol Jaba
i still find the interview with sheppard smith and mg and cs strange!
and it took 8 hrs i believe for cs to get there when Haleigh went missing,then mg gives chad a false alibi…
also,they have a hidden room under their house,don’t they?
Not to mention,they asked for the search which makes me wonder,did they wanna have their places searched so they knew what to hide?
Jaba–Are you saying the movie rumor is just that, a rumor? I hope so because it would show poor taste if ANY of the families are contemplating this when it’s not known what happened to Haleigh. I am just not surprised at anything at this juncture. I guess just the mention of this makes my blood boil, and I might have jumped the gun in believing it. JMO
They should had someone from LE at the search to legitimize it more.
I wonder if they were asked and were turned down, and if so, why?
Robin,
No not the movie.
Hope I don’t pizz anybody off but, isn’t Nancy Grace making money off of this story too in a round about way (ooh I sound like Casey). Her show has become more sensationalism to me now than anything else. Where there’s a story there will be producers looking to profit. The only consolation is that maybe Junior will have a chance of a better life if the Griffith’s profit from this. If they don’t spend it on drugs that is.
The only people, from what I read, that even resembled LE in the most loose sense of the word were a PI cobra and a dog handler. And the dog handler had some very odd observations of the whole thing.
Nancy is making money but has kept the story alive and I think the coverage has helped LE. You know her staff comb these blogs for info for the show.
I would like to hear cobra’s version of the fake search..
Maryd–I have real sympathy for Jr and all the kids involved in this tragic mess. None of them should ever have to pay for the sins of their parents. I am just wondering of the adults in JR’s life ever thought of getting gainful employment–something most people call a J-O-B. Or can anyone of them pass a drug screen? I am not defending NG but her job is to highlight these cases, even though she is a tyrant, that is her job! She gets paid to do that job, whether we like her or not! To profit from a missing/murdered child is DEPLORABLE and shows a complete lack of class! If the Sheffields are indeed behind this then they have lost all the sympathy I had for them as well as any respect. JMO
he was involved in that, the fs..also he was charged and plead guilty to a crime involving this case, so go figure.
jaba, I can’t believe that NG’s staff comb these blogs for show info. If they did she might talk about something relevant and true instead of week old half-truths.
They go with things they have actual audio or video or live interview first of course.
But you know they search out things to corroborate what they learn on their own. They’ve also got a lot of time and heartache, like others do, in this case so they are keeping up.
I’m surprised we haven’t seen peter Hyatt on there yet.
Maybe nancy doesn’t buy into it or it would take too long for Peter to set up the premise. Nancy has to boom, boom, boom things quickly.
jaba, yes, you are right. I just loathe her (NG) so much at this point that I can’t watch her anymore, give her anymore “market share.”
OJ–I would also like to hear Cobra’s version of events concerning the fake search too. But who can you really trust in this case to give you a true accounting of what happened. I don’t think (now) that I could trust anyone from the Sheffield/Griffis side to be truthful. I think most of them seen dollar signs since day one and marketed HaLeigh and this tragedy to make a profit. And as long as LE focuses on Croslins/Cummings these people can do anything they want undetected. Its sad and tragic and frankly it pisses me off! Sorry about the rant..Now I know why you defend Misty so passionately!
I recall in the days after Haleighs abduction seeing Ron and Misty living in a tent city near the home. CNN interviewed Ms Nevins and she said they just could not bear to be in the MH cause it was the place where she was stolen. I thought of all the parents over the years who”s children were stolen and they all felt the need to stay in the home and keep the same number for at least some years. I thought of myself who’s 12yr old son died suddenly in his room, I could not bear to stay in that home any longer, it took 4yrs to finally move,I needed to leave because the memory of his death over shadowed the memories of his life. Ron couldnt sleep where his daughter was murdered, not stolen from, but murdered.
robin and maryd, let’s remember, though, that Ron and Misty and Crystal and Marie and Marty and and and… they were all children once, too, children who had no chance in their own lives, either.
robin, oh how I agree with you on that, about the Sheffield/Griffis doing anything they want in the background because LE and AH and NG and JVM are all busy bashing the Croslin/Cummings— mainly the Croslins.
OJ, I do appreciate your passionate defense of Misty. She is guilty of a few things but good God, she was only 17-years-old when this all happened, and think about what she had to form or attitudes and values about life. I’m actually impressed that she has any tenderness left at all.
Irish,Thats a very good point!!!!
You’d think you’d want to stay incase Haleigh ever did escape from a “kidnapper” maybe she could find her way home!
Everytime I scroll down to new threads I see Cobras name and he’s on the show here so I bet jan and simon trust him.
There is always 3 sides to a story. 🙂
irish1, very interesting perspective, and so sorry to read about your son. My thoughts and prayers are with you, I know the wound never completely closes. What you wrote makes so much sense, that if your child was missing you would stay where you are because you would want them to know where they could come home to. On the other hand, if your child died or was murdered, the home would hold too many memories that you would want to get away from.
kate, I agree with you but not sure what that had to do with my previous comments.
ronfan, are you still on?
have you guys heard all the cobra tapes concerning the evidence and fake search.etc.I am sure you probably have but you said you’d like to hear his side?
have you guys heard all the cobra tapes concerning the evidence and fake search.etc.I am sure you probably have but you said you’d like to hear his side?
maryd, sorry I misunderstood. My comment was based on robin’s comment in which she says that “none of them should have to pay for the sins of their parents.” So I thought the two of you had made comments about that.
Also, remember Ronald didn’t want people to know where he lived before Haleigh went missing, for some odd reason. So if he knew or thought it was a revenge killing for something he may have done drugwise or other,, he wouldn’t want to go back to a place everyone now was aware of.
Ronfan is at her altar of the ‘great bow legged one’.:)
Kate said,in May 17th, 2010 at 12:33 am OJ, I do appreciate your passionate defense of Misty. She is guilty of a few things but good God, she was only 17-years-old when this all happened, and think about what she had to form or attitudes and values about life. I’m actually impressed that she has any tenderness left at all.
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Good point too,I think maybe that could be why they waited till she turned 18 to get her!
jaba said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 12:41 am
Ronfan is at her altar of the ‘great bow legged one’.:)
LMAO!!!
Irish1, I like your post a lot, it makes so much sense. But since I believe that HaLeigh was kidnapped by her maternal family and is now “hidden,” and I think that Ron and Misty know that, and have known that for a long time, it adds an interesting twist about why they didn’t go back to the home from which Haleigh went missing. I need to think about that one.
Cj, no I haven’t but will search them out now that I know they are out there.
jaba, way, way too funny, “the altar of the great bow legged one.” How are we supposed to concentrate and care about this missing child after that?
jaba said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 12:41 am
Ronfan is at her altar of the ‘great bow legged one’.:)
Just curious do you know where OJ is? LMAO in advance!
CathyJo63, I have absolutely no doubt that the PCSO waited until Misty turned 18 to work the drug sting.
And I was CathySue63 back in ’71 when I was in second grade ;)!
jaba said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Everytime I scroll down to new threads I see Cobras name and he’s on the show here so I bet jan and simon trust him.
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They do think highly of him it seems jaba. Not me. I think he’s full of balogna.
maryd, You cleared it all up for me, as to why Ronald didn’t want to live in the blue house at 202 Greene Lane any longer. Thanks.
omg i just thought of something,
ok,what if the Sheffields did take her and hide her and after everyones sentenced and in prison they say someone just dropped her off somewhere or some excuse and they already have JR so ron can’t have custody of either in jail????
I have my doubts about Cobra too. Does he have a side of the fence?
I saw a pic of cs sticking her tongue out saying it was her message to ron!
kids stick their tongue out when they pull something off or win,lol?
Lori, Jaba… the Cobra/TJ/Barrett matrix, what to make of it. I like them all but it does introduce a confound into discussing all aspects of HaLeigh’s situation. I like Cobra when I listen to him but I also think that he is quite the charming manipulator himself.
kate..the cummings family say she was great with kids. even the bio mom says they loved misty.
Kate–I read a book once, actually it was 2 books, by a young man who suffered some of the worst child abuse by a mother I had ever read. This mother never showed one day of love to this boy–not one singLe moment. He was treated like garbage. This child grew up and wanted more out of his life than the abuse heaped on him by his own unloving mother. You would think he would grow up to repeat that cycle of abuse that he grew up with. He did not. He grew up to be a model citizen and a motivational speaker on child abuse. He never used that abuse as an excuse like most people do. When most people comnmit crime their first line of defense is a poor childhood, it becomes their crutch for bad behavior. I look at a poor childhood as just that–AN EXCUSE. People make their own choices and should be responsible for those actions. People should be able to RISE ABOVE their childhood, and not become the product of their upbringing, if indeed it was awful. That’s just my opinion, though.
Kate said,in May 17th, 2010 at 12:47 am CathyJo63, I have absolutely no doubt that the PCSO waited until Misty turned 18 to work the drug sting.
And I was CathySue63 back in ‘71 when I was in second grade ;)!
LoL SMALL WORLD EH?
Well, you have laugh sometimes to keep from crying about a helpless, 5 year old goes away in the care of adults. That’s awful by any stretch of the imagination.
Having said that, I think ole ron is an ok target for the ‘peacock walking’ joke series:)
If ronbo isn’t guilty of anything directly related to her disappearance, then I really, really feel for him. I feel he is at least indirectly connected and I’m giving him no pass on that.
CathyJo, BINGO!!!! That is absolutely what I think is going to happen. After Ronald and Misty and heck, why not Tommy, too, even though he doesn’t have much to do with anything HaLeigh-wise, after they are sentenced to life for trafficking oxy’s, HaLeigh will be dropped off at a MacDonald’s with a little sign around her neck. When she is asked where she has been she will say, “With this really nice family in a house in the country…” And Ron will be in jail and Crystal won’t have to pass a drug test to get custody of her.
Yep, CathyJo, that is why Crystal is poking her tongue at Ron. Only she didn’t win, her dad did.
CathyJo63 said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 12:48 am
omg i just thought of something,
ok,what if the Sheffields did take her and hide her and after everyones sentenced and in prison they say someone just dropped her off somewhere or some excuse and they already have JR so ron can’t have custody of either in jail????
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Not to mention getting a movie deal and making mega bucks. What a plan! Don’t think it happened that way though unless Misty was in on it too, and maybe Tommy.
RIGHT KATE,THAT IS A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY??
OJ’s glove, I totally think that Misty is great with kids. I choke up when I hear the jail tape in which Misty asks her mom if maybe they can call her when they are at HaLeigh’s vigil. And then later, when Lisa tells Misty about Ron’s letter to HaLeigh, the way Misty says, “Ohhh,” meaning, “that’s so precious, so sweet.” No way Misty is faking that for the camera’s. She’s got a good heart.
CathyJo, well, no, not really. I think it is what the plan was at the start, but things didn’t go as planned and the case got way too much national attention. So now HaLeigh gets to live with her nice family out in the country forever.
Kate–I never thought about the drug sting angle (waiting until Misty turned 18) and I believe you are right! I always wondered about the timing of the sting. Now it makes perfect sense now that mentioned that!
Right Mary,ya wouldn’t think so but who knows!
ppl’s minds work different,lol
so who knows they ain’t making up crap to get outta jail.crazy yes but so are they!
I have always wondered about that interview of mg and cs on sheppard smith?
CathyJo, I just wish Jr could live with them, too. Gotta’ got to bed, now. Sweet dreams to you, CathyJo, from CathySue.
right Kate!
gnite Kate! sweet dreams!
Oh, I can’t go to bed just yet, CathyJo. MG and CS on Sheppard Smith? Who is Sheppard Smith? Now how am I going to sleep? Okay, I’ll check back in the morning. Good night, all. So good to know you all.
irish1 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 12:28 am I recall in the days after Haleighs abduction seeing Ron and Misty living in a tent city near the home. CNN interviewed Ms Nevins and she said they just could not bear to be in the MH cause it was the place where she was stolen. I thought of all the parents over the years who”s children were stolen and they all felt the need to stay in the home and keep the same number for at least some years. I thought of myself who’s 12yr old son died suddenly in his room, I could not bear to stay in that home any longer, it took 4yrs to finally move,I needed to leave because the memory of his death over shadowed the memories of his life. Ron couldnt sleep where his daughter was murdered, not stolen from, but murdered.
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EXACTLY!!!
So sorry for your loss:(
I also have lost one and we still have the room the way it was when she passed, I can’t touch it now, but maybe one day I will be able to go in there.
I actually thought a lot of the Croslins have good hearts in a way. But, than i think of lots of people I’ve known who could be sweet as pie one minute (with the I love you’s) and given a few drinks all he77 would break loose. Just sayin.
vaquera said,in May 16th, 2010 at 10:56 pm sickening, huh?
Then Marie posted after Wayanne yesterday acting all disgusted..I re read Kim Picazio’s bar complaint rebuttal again last night and Marie just disgusted me all over again.
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Yep, sickening. But not at all surprising. I’ve expected that side of the family to do this sort of stuff. One of the many reasons why I still remain suspicious of that side of the family.
I am sorry for your loss JustOne!!!!
The valley of death is heartBreak!
Especially of a child,I lost my husband and thats bad enough but to lose a child,I cannot even imagine what you have went through!
I am truly sorry!
The same message goes to you Iris,hI am sorry for your loss too!!!!
So sorry,I can’t imagine!!!
the real “key” is the ex cop on the sheffield side of the family..the grandfather I believe..
he knows how to work the system and could possibly be the one who arranged the transfer of haleigh to the retired law enforcement officer who’s daughter died to raise as his own.
Oh Gosh Mary,i know i have too!
The Difference is like day/night!
Thanks CJ, but I do feel blessed to have had her for the time I did and have cherished memories that live in my heart forever. It is truly a hell on earth I’d wish on no one and that’s one reason this case along with so many others infuriates me, Ron no matter whether he is directly involved or not left her in an unstable home while he was dealing drugs and not just the time he was caught, he admitted to Tim Miller he did in the past and had his babies around skanky people, to me that is inexcusable and makes him culpable at minimum. Children are a gift from God and should be cherished, loved and protected and not dragged around while daddy is out scoring dope.
Yes Oj,and i still wonder about the ky statement,if it really pertains to dog fighting or not?
My deepest heartfelt sympathies to the two posters who have lost children also. I can’t imagine your pain.
You have a good way of looking at it!
Blessed for the time you did have……just precious!!
Death leaves a heartache no one can heal,
Love leaves a memory no one can steal!
how does dog fighting fit in this mix?
Just one,I agree….no child should have to be in that situation!
I guess in a way Cathy and OJ we can only hope it’s true that Haleigh is safe somewhere and will return. But boy will there be he77 to pay for whoever may have been involved in that one.
Haven’t read or seen anything on the ex cop except for as a story offered up.
Just like the alien theory, anything is possible.
Don’t know why tommy is saying he was involved if the kid wasn’t dead. That’s still a mystery to me, if she is actually alive.
So, I am to think they shuffled a kid to another, forever, instead of trying to get the kid back for the natural mother who was up against ron, who dcf wasn’t happy with. Wow, how gracious are those people? What a sacrifice. To take a child from his brother, father and mother, and grandparents, to give to someone else who experienced loss. I can’t imagine someone with a loss like that eveb accepting a child under those circumstances. Maybe there is one out there.
oh sorry OJ,thought you knew,lol
when the cobra tapes had js saying on them that no one could touch him in ky?
some said that he was talking about fighting dogs cuz thats what he does?
CathyJo63 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 1:17 am Yes Oj,and i still wonder about the ky statement,if it really pertains to dog fighting or not?
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do you mean K9? whos ky?
exactly Mary!
thats why i say also if?? they hid her ,they’ll say someone dropped her off?
Goodnight all,
May Haleighs light shine the truth on this case.
jaba said,in May 17th, 2010 at 1:23 am Haven’t read or seen anything on the ex cop except for as a story offered up.
Just like the alien theory, anything is possible.
Don’t know why tommy is saying he was involved if the kid wasn’t dead. That’s still a mystery to me, if she is actually alive.
So, I am to think they shuffled a kid to another, forever, instead of trying to get the kid back for the natural mother who was up against ron, who dcf wasn’t happy with. Wow, how gracious are those people? What a sacrifice. To take a child from his brother, father and mother, and grandparents, to give to someone else who experienced loss. I can’t imagine someone with a loss like that eveb accepting a child under those circumstances. Maybe there is one out there.
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Actually it was a movie “Gone Baby Gone”, but to my that theory is too out there, kinda like the Easter Bunny took her.
kentucky,not a canine,dogs as in ya know like Micheal vik,the dog fighter??
js=johnny sheffield!
I’d love to see her stroll home with longer hair, a little taller, a little more mature and smiling, nothing would bring me greater joy for Haleigh and the rest of them for that too happen.
But why is a guy who’s facing just a few years of his life for some smaller crimes, pony up a story like his lawyer offered? How is that going to help tommy? Doesn’t make sense to me.
OJ–This whole case does have the earmarks of the movie “Gone Baby Gone”. Do you honestly believe a retired cop whose daughter died has Haleigh? Just curious…
just one,i never thought what these ppl have done already makes any sense,lol
these abbrevations have got to stop, or at least post a list of their meanings..
someone make a list please..for example-
mc – misty croslin
tc – tomy croslin
and so forth..ty
right Jaba,its a farrrrrrr stretch,but as i said,not impossible when everybodys stoned all the time,ya know!
Mr smarty britches,ok the weddings off!! lol
ky is a state,rofl
robin said,in May 17th, 2010 at 1:29 am OJ–This whole case does have the earmarks of the movie “Gone Baby Gone”. Do you honestly believe a retired cop whose daughter died has Haleigh? Just curious…
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no it don’t make sence but ya never know!
who’s the cop,daughter died?
Even if there was abuse beyond belief. Couldn’t the family have had a PI plat a camera or a microphone in the trailer to get evidence on ron without stealing the kid and shuffling her off? The person gaining the child, who would now be paying for food, clothes, toys and medicine for a very rare illness, could have taken a fraction of that money and helped the ‘other side’ family members get Haleigh into their custody, little JR too.
Wild speculation is what that theory is, imo, much like some others I can say are plausible, but probably not true.
who knows tommy was all cracked up and they convinced him he done it,don’t laugh cuz i am feeling stupid to even think of such an idea as that but hey…..anything goes in this situation!
now you can laff,lol
right but cs…..CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD,OJ……
owed 4,000$!
had a life ins.policy,
nah that was stupid,lol i see it clearer now,lol scratch!!!!lol
i wonder why it took cs……OJ crystal……im teasin ya but
why it took cs 8 hrs to go when her daughter was missing?
Those folks would have to be aware that ronnie would at least have to make a police reprot and I doubt anyone in florida hasn’t heard the whole Caylee Anthony case and that missing kids get some primetime coverage until they are found one way or another.
That theory is the riskiest bet of what I’ve heard. But, anything is possible, anything is not reasonable though.
Someone must have the ex cop pegged by now, by name, no? I wonder what the genesis of that theory comes from, a movie, or a statement of one in these families.
and what if the door was propped open to carry Jr out next.but Misty came home before they could get him out? and marie gave chad a false alibi so why?
they wanted their place searched too,why? if they knew nothing happened on their place,why ask them too search!
I think Tommy would offer up anyone for a lighter sentence, especially if no evidence is found to the contrary. Hell, I think Tommy would let Lindsy does his time if she would agree. I don’t know how much time Tommy has did in the past for his criminal activity, but you best bet he thinks he is getting some serious time now. He is losing his wife and kids, so what does he have to. lose? Why not offer up the likely suspect and one that Misty and possibly Ron has fingered to be the abductor? It’s not too farfetched to me that he would make up a story that LE might believe. JMO
so they’d know when they were gonna be or after its searched make a diff plan……who knows!
right Robin!!!!
and yes he’d let lindsey pull his time,hes a crackpot for sure!
Good points cj.
If I didn’t have a car or a dime in my pocket, I would have kncoked on neighbors door until one of them gave me a ride out there. Someone would have.
Still can’t figure that search. Weird stuff and the wo guys named regan are sketchy at best.
May cs was really high when the call came in and wanted to come down, but 8 hours?
tommy sent LE on a wild goose chase..50 divers! can you imagine that!? the cost? the foolishness the sheriff must have felt? and the cream on the cake was the sheriff’s own SON was snared up in a drug sting and charged with TRAFFICING!!! what a JOKE!!! pcso are a bunch of barney fifes tryin to make misty a scapegoat patsy for their botched bungling of the haleigh investigation!
misty is innocent!
tom: i know one time you told me you had 19 hundred, and the next time i know you got 700.
lindsy: yeah within weeks, weeks, tom. i had… yeah, um… tommy i’m not spending…
tom: you just need to slow down.
(7 seconds silence)
tom: you alright?
lindsy: no, i’m not!
tom: well chill out. you ain’t got no money, you fixing to go broke?
Is he a father of children? is he speaking to his wife? What does this actually mean, to become “fixing to go broke”?? While he sits behind bars, has he made any provisions for the safety of his wife and children?
lindsy: yeah, i’m fixing to go broke! your dad owes me 420 dollars, huh?
Lindsay repeats back Tommy’s own words. While speaking of going broke, and having listen to his demand to take money from the family and give it to him, she then introduces the subject of his father. It is associated with money. The timing of this statement suggests that there have been issues of money between the mother/care and Tommy’s father.
tom: well, he don’t owe you all that. you make tim pay the money he owes ya,let tim get paid
from my dad.
lindsy: that was the agreement. that was the agreement.
This shows clearly that the issue is not new; but ongoing. Misty has stated that her parents are long term addicts and in the habit of addicts, they lie, steal, and sell for drugs. They sell any and every thing. I once spoke with a woman who, in NYC, sold her two daughters, 5 and 7, on the RR, for cigarette money. The deeper and longer the addiction, the less human becomes the person until there is no dignity left anywhere. For the father, we learn from the Tommy Tapes that the car that Leonard Padilla gave him, was reported “stolen” when, in fact, it was likely traded for a small amount of drugs. Lindsay knows this game and knew that Tommy would chose his own father over his wife and kids. This was referenced on Simon Barrett’s program by TJ Hart and Denny, as they both talked about the Croslin “family” and where the true loyalties lie.
tom: well, when you don’t get paid don’t cry to me.
those show how much he cares,Lindsey would pull his time!!!! silly!
But putting yourself at a murder scene with no proof is not useful to LE.
It may be a ‘hail mary pass’ attempt that will fall incomplete or may backfire on him. If they can place tommy there at all with any evidence that could implicate tommy by even conjecture on part of a jury, tommy is screwed.
If a murder is commited and you were the only one with proof that you were there, kind of sinks your battleship, doesn’t it?
Jaba,also.I dunno if its true but i do believe it,they said cs even went back to bed after the call?
jaba said,in May 17th, 2010 at 1:50 am Good points cj.
If I didn’t have a car or a dime in my pocket, I would have kncoked on neighbors door until one of them gave me a ride out there. Someone would have.
you and me! I would knock on a neighbors door at 3 am for that purpose,lol
so true Jaba! So true!
CathyJo63 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 1:55 am those show how much he cares,Lindsey would pull his time!!!! silly!
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my woman would have took the rap for me..
why did marie give chad an alibi,he didn’t come home till i think they said 5 a:?
if ya did nothing why do ya need one?
Then it was stated that cs’s dad saw misty out that night? then who knows chad and mg didn’t come to get her?? why would johnnyS be seeing misty,watching her till someone did a job??
misty has lied, why? All we need is an answer from here on that.
And if the sherrifs department didn’t search the river, they’d be ripped for not doing so.
Still can’t see how tommy or his lawyer figure this ‘stunt’ would help him on his sentence by saying he was there.
The sherrifs kid and misty and tommy and ronnie will all be guilty of the same thing. How does that matter in the grand scheme of things.
I haven’t hear LE or any source with backed up cred offer up a more ‘barney fife’ explantion of what occure like alien abduction or replacing missing children, but, heck, what do I know. Nothing really.:)
I guarantee it OJ……….dont’ doubt ya for a second!LoL
oH jABA,YEA.ITS A MESS!!!!!
the refund money was toms by the way, so as the man of the house he could/should say how it is spent..
ROFL,IN YOUR WORLD MAYBE oj!!!!
lINDSECold hearted reply. Lindsey’s quick response tells us that she has been down this road many times before. If Hank Croslin Sr. is not going to pay back money to Lindsay so Lindsay can feed Tommy’s children, Lindsay is told not to complain to Tommy. Tommy’s loyalty to his father does not simply supercede his loyalty to his wife, but his loyalty to his father is above that to his own children. This is the profile of an addict who has neglected his own children.
lindsy: no, i’m not. i will be crying to art harris and nancy grace.
tom: what does that have to do with anything. i don’t want to hear it don’t talk about sh.
Lindsay attempts to appeal to the Croslin name; hoping that self respect may cause him to intervene and attempt to get money. It fails. Her threat does not move Tommy.
lindsy: they’ll love to hear it!
if he was man of the house he wouldn’t be where he is now,lol
I hope we get some movement on this case this week.
All the rehash justs ends up back at the trailer at 3:26 am on the night in question and what happened between 7:30 and 3 that night.
Chad may have been in a crack den for all I know.
You know, all these criminal minds might be covering for each other not really knowing if their scumbag relative did anything or not, but in case they did, they have been provided an alibi until proven innocent.
lindsey has shocked me? she manipulative and immature as he77!
CathyJo63 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 2:08 am lindsey has shocked me? she manipulative and immature as he77!
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hello!! all women are like that! lolololololo
right!!!! Jaba…….exactly!
but i can’t wait to hear something good!well it won’t be good regardless because Haleighs not been found but you know what i mean!
OH HELL NO THEY AIN’T OJ!!!!!
ROFL@ OJ………howd you land a wife?
right Jaba.prolly was in a crack den but its weird they didn’t even check to see since Haleigh was gone at 3!
OJ,i am gonna have a talk with your wife!
I wanna show her how to handle you!!! lol
one day wiff me,oneeee day! and you’d be beggin for mommy! lol
CathyJo63 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 2:12 am ROFL@ OJ………howd you land a wife?
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married twice, thats how I learned how “you” are
you sound like jeff,my ex-fiance was married 4 times and he stillllllllllllll blames the women.rofl
woulda been 5 but i came to my senses real quick!
i was married 25 yrs,since i was 15 till 2003 when my husband was murderedand he blamed me,yea right!
lol
i do know what youre saying.lol
i was funnin’ but i still wanna teach her some things!
you couldn’t run quick enough to throw marriage on me again! lol
or a date for that matter,lol
lets see..25 +15 ..2003 =
47 correct? perfect age..like a fine wine
lol you need to teach poor little misty how to do that,lol fast!
yea.lol 47….will be 48 new yrs day!
shux OJ,i went to highschool for 3 days!lol
shotgun wedding,mom by 16! lol
great birth date..
i wish,i hated it OJ,my adopted mom always made me save 1 christmas gift till my bday!
sux! when you’re a yungin’
CathyJo63 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 2:30 am shotgun wedding,mom by 16! lol
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lol sux big time!
whatoy whatvey?? lol
CS is a piece of work! I think she would do anything to spite Misty and get revenge on Ron. She was my first theory of the guilty party.(Of course I have thought up others since then). But they say you come back to your first thoughts and they are usually true.
Besides, we have no proof of a dead Haleigh, so maybe we need to assume she is alive till we find out differently!!???
I mentioned before on these posts about CS’s ‘flat affect’ and her non-response when they told her that the dogs had hit on the dumpster. She was more worried about people talking about her getting her hair done. The reporter even said to her ‘did you hear me!’ “I said the dogs hit on the dumpster, they may of found Haleigh”. The dumb bit** never responded.
She also has a record for making a false report on a guy (almost causing him a felony) because she wanted revenge. This is her m.o.
Plus she owed 12,000 in back child support.
She didn’t even have a picture of herself with those kids. Someone photoshopped her into one for the news. Sad, very sad. She was one angry person and it came out when Haleigh was first missing. All she could think about was getting custody of Jr. That’s because when Haleigh ‘mysteriously appears’, she will have them both and Ron will be in jail. Her family (esp. that Creepy flat affect mother of hers) are probably the driving force or Chad is. I think they have done everything they can to make sure Ron and Misty are framed.
CathyJo63 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 2:32 am i wish,i hated it OJ,my adopted mom always made me save 1 christmas gift till my bday!
sux! when you’re a yungin’
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The flat creepy could be the weed or pills they take, couldn’t it?
They self medicate when they don’t have severe pressure or a crisis, how do you think they medicate when there is a crisis? Jmo
ron was high as a kite several times in tv where he knew he was in the spotlight.
The medicated state is normal for them. They feel abnormal when they are sober.
good nite, til tomorrow
Thanks for another interesting show, Simon and Jan. Do I have to mention how much Peter Hyatt adds to the conversations? He still fascinates me every week. I’m impressed with the two of you holding your own, too. Today’s show was especially powerful because there were fewer guests and you were all able to discuss your opinions in depth. You’re showing your smarts today! I did miss TJ’s input, though. All in all, it was a great show. Thanks so much.
“The press has glommed onto the tape as Tommy fingering the infamous cousin Joe for the death of Haleigh. As Jan pointed out, that is not the case. It is Grammy Hollars that draws the conclusion. Tommy then starts to say something, but changes his mind. Listen carefully to the tape.”
This is correct. Grandmother Hollars did all the talking, she said “JOE” over and over, Tommy said “Joe” NOT ONE TIME. People really need to listen carefully and they need to stop listening to what the TV talking heads are throwing out there, because the talking heads are acting like fools, not even paying attention to the facts of the stories they are hearing.
Thanks again for a great show.
He doesn’t correct her at any of her conclusions. What should we make of that?
Is that a story being fed between gma and mc and tc?
No way Misty is faking that for the camera’s. She’s got a good heart.
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A person with a good heart does NOT LIE to cops about a missing 5 year old..
Myrtle – correct…Gramma should have kept her mouth SHUT FROM THE GET GO…she inserted the words for him and he followed suit. Like she was telling him what misty had said and he just agreed.
The other thing i found interesting was when gh said to tommy ” is it what misty said”…
Tommy responds ” yes”
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How does Tommy know what misty is spouting when they are both in jail?
All I know is that I saw Misty on camera blaming cousin Joe shortly after Haleigh went missing so I highly doubt they were araid of him
morning Jaba…I think your right…SPOON FEEDING TOMMY MISTYS LIES…
Morning ca:
Didn’t gma hollers say misty called her first b efore tommy did? Speaking of the ‘confession’ call, that is.
We haven’t seen all the undeited footage from these jail house calls, who knows how these two can be communicating amongst family members.
JEAN…i agree..if she was afraid of him and joe took haleigh then 911 call to go find joe and land his butt in jail would have been the safest thing to do…NOT PUBLICLY ACCUSE HIM WHILE HE IS OUT A FREE MAN!!!
HOG WASH..MISTY IS NOT AFRAID OF ANYONE OR ANYTHING BUT THE TRUTH…
jaba..ya I know..but everything is recorded! They would know if a family member told him what misty was saying.
The fact they both called g ma around the same time sounds VERY SET UP TO ME!
I wonder what the conversation was between misty and ron before the 911 call. I wonder if she mentioned joe then? Rons comment that he has better people to call on the 911 call is who? I wish they’d tell me.
jaba – I do believe misty called first..
jaba – about Ron having better people to call..did LE subpoena the house/cell records pre/post 911…they prob. did and likely know who he called IF ANYONE!
I have a feeling Ron boy called no one!
I would also like to know about the night haleigh disappeared what ron and misty did for the rest of the “evening”…DID THEY GO ANYWHERE, DID THEY CALL ANYONE…I still believe Ron would have tore that trailer apart in grief and hysterics being caught off guard like that.
WHAT “DID” THEY DO…
That Nannie Hollars tape just seems so staged
IMO. Something in the milk is spoiled. All
the crap with Lindsy being on the other line and Aunt Vicki relaying messages. I thought
Hollars said she came down hard on Tommy. My
Grandmother sure didn’t call me baby when she came down hard on me. She is wishy washy as to
who she thinks done it as I am. I think she should be taken with a grain of salt. She got
as mixed up as those grandchildren.
LeeLee is nickname for Lisa Croslin. Hank trys to wake her up for one of Misty’s calls and he
calls her that. Hollars refers to her as LeeLee twice on the Tommy’s infamous call.
Peanut is Joe Overstreet’s mom twice on.
Regarding Casey: I think the only photos that are relevant are the ones where she was partying during the time Caylee was missing. There are pictures of me partying before I had children, but when I had children I quit the hard core partying I was doing. Partying does not make you a vicious killer. The pictures taken of Casey partying while Caylee was deceased…that shows that she didn’t give a darn about her daughter missing/death. They show she was happier without her daughter.
Can anyone tell me how on earth if Ron C. is working for LE as informant…why on earth is he stitting in jail? It’s been my understanding that the informant is not arrested and charged as he help round the bust up.
ron isn’t UC, he’s a guest of the county for his co starring role in the ‘satsuma connection’.
I think they went after a known crew of dealers and slowly reeled in more players, as LE will do when they get one.
Its like a cockroach, you see one and you know there are others.
SHOCKWAVE – I agree, but I also believe that the dufense is going to use her pics with caylee to show she was such a good mommy…but jesse grunds testimony will prove to the jury that CASEY CHANGED…became jealous of caylee and turned into someone he didn’t even know..
PEOPLE CHANGE..casey may have loved caylee when it was convenient for her..she never raised that child g and c did..so she posed for some cute photos once in while…doesn’t make her a good mom..but the dufense will use the prior pics. as support of just another lie…JURY WILL LISTEN UP WHEN JESSE TESTIFIES..he was the man who was told by liar casey he was the daddy and when it was proven he wasn’t he still wanted caylee as his daughter..CASEY DIDN’T LIKE THAT…and jesse was going to marry casey until SHE MADE NEW FRIENDS AND DIDN’T WANT TO BE A MOMMY ANYMORE..JESSE WILL BE A HUGE ASSET TO THE PROSECUTION.
TY jaba. I see many post’s that beleive that Ron is informant. I have never thought that he was.
It would be such a huge chance for LE to take for rons safety for him to be in genpop as an overall snitch for other dealers etc…he will help with the tommy/misty case and that’s it.
We see him in the video being the real ron. I’ve seen talk that ron wouldn’t be that stupid as to be busted in a uc sting, however, the drugs and money were worth the risk to him and the others.
I think we truly do see the real Misty and Ron in the UC video! For the drug sale they should step up and take their time! They did the dirty deed of selling!
People are genuinely confused about why the world has gone awry. It’s because people as a whole have put God out of their lives. It’s ‘I want to be a celebrity, famous, cool, or rich.’ Materials things have become more important than ethics. Keeping up with the Jones’ has become more important than talking to our children. America has become arrogant and lazy. These are bad combinations.
way way over charged..possesion for sale maybe but trafficing? NO WAY! they were entrapped anyway so the charges should be DISMISSED for police misconduct!
Well florida state statutes are what they are…if there was any entrapment possibilities I doubt they would be going forth with any of the trials..I could be wrong..but wouldn’t that be putting the cart before the horse. IMO if there was possibility it would be in the works and dealt with before wasting the courts time on the trials themselves.
What’s the difference between poSsession for sale or trafficing? Sounds like one in the same thing to me..but that’s me..NOT A DRUGGIE..
You can look at pictures of Ron and tell he was doing drugs. Same as when we hear Tommy talking about it. Ron was skinny as a rail from when Haleigh went missing to when he was arrested for selling. You can see in the latest court photos that he has gained weight. No one wants to believe Ron is guilty of anything so they conjure up this idea of Ron being an informant in their mind.
hope sykes found out real quick how the case laid out against her took a plea. Same thing ron is doing and tommy and misty will probably follow.
Selling drugs to others – certain amount. Trafficking – higher amount of substance.
Little miss innocent and her ‘pill in the wall gang’ are as good as sold, imo.
ya Misty wasn’t caught with a gram of pot now was she…lmao
When I was listening to the last radio show about “what does Ron know where he can make a plea deal?” I was conjuring up this idea in my head about Crystal and Ron working together and stashing Haleigh somewhere. I hope to my core that is what has happened, but my brain is saying that is just wishful thinking on my part. More than likely Ron was too stoned to think rationally, thus his continuance to trust Misty, and thus his continuance to have a relationship with her for drug sake and for the sake of having a sexual relationship with her.
rons attorney stating he will take a plea. Why? Because he was entrapped? Nope, not a good reason.
Because he isn’t guilty? Nope, that’s not a reason you plead guilty.
The reason you plead, is because the state has a strong case against you and you want a better sentence.
If you are not guilty, a lawyer will be provided for your defense, and you fight it and take the stand to tell your side. 12 resonable people can probably figure it out according to the law. Its done every day with pretty high success.
JenM said,in May 17th, 2010 at 2:36 am CS is a piece of work! I think she would do anything to spite Misty and get revenge on Ron. She was my first theory of the guilty party.(Of course I have thought up others since then). But they say you come back to your first thoughts and they are usually true.
Besides, we have no proof of a dead Haleigh, so maybe we need to assume she is alive till we find out differently!!???
I mentioned before on these posts about CS’s ‘flat affect’ and her non-response when they told her that the dogs had hit on the dumpster. She was more worried about people talking about her getting her hair done. The reporter even said to her ‘did you hear me!’ “I said the dogs hit on the dumpster, they may of found Haleigh”. The dumb bit** never responded.
She also has a record for making a false report on a guy (almost causing him a felony) because she wanted revenge. This is her m.o.
Plus she owed 12,000 in back child support.
She didn’t even have a picture of herself with those kids. Someone photoshopped her into one for the news. Sad, very sad. She was one angry person and it came out when Haleigh was first missing. All she could think about was getting custody of Jr. That’s because when Haleigh ‘mysteriously appears’, she will have them both and Ron will be in jail. Her family (esp. that Creepy flat affect mother of hers) are probably the driving force or Chad is. I think they have done everything they can to make sure Ron and Misty are framed.
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JenM,
I have been a pit bull with this theory since March 2009. In fact I was recently “exposed” by a poster here,LMAO.
IMO The actions of the Sheffield’s in the months before and after HaLeigh’s abduction is a indication of their frustration with the system that would not right the wrong in their opinion and can clearly show a motive. Remember Kim P. even stated that in this area many use DCF to get custody and not the judicial system.
shockwave…I wish you were right but why would both parents hide their own little girl?
CA,
Very simple. They wouldn’t. But I’m not telling you anything you don’t know.:)
Its about as likely as the ‘given to an ex-cop’ theory. It doesn’t make reasonable sense.
c-a..our laws are not like your french laws..maybe you shpuld concentrate on all those feet in your neck of the woods.
shockwave I totaly agree with your 9:30am post.
Shockwave if I remember correctly I believe it was in April 2009 that I had heard a rumor from out of Satsuma that Both parents( Ron and Crystal) hid Haleigh was a theory. I believe now they have moved away from that theory.
Our laws here are what misty and crew ARE concentrating on and will be punished for if and when they plead or found guilty.
You can’t just let people off the hook becasue you like then or feel bad for them. Not the way it works.
Of course sneaking in pot into a prison facility tells me what one thinks of the law. Not much. That’s risky behavior to say the least.
oj..grow up…
LMFAO AT OJ…WHERE DO YOU GET THE IDEA THAT I’M FRENCH..AND so what are you telling me other then being a pain in the you know what?
Are you telling me that your crooked laws allow entrapped peeps to go to jail first or do you even know what your own laws are.. are you just interested in being a jerk..
Why don’t you just answer with something significant instead of garbage.
you know squat about me so why don’t you just stop the personal attacks OJ….would appreciate it…
CathyJo
Here’stories that might ruffle your feathers.
Does anyone here this morning remember the track the dogs followed that morning?
CathyJo
forgot to tell you have click at top of page to get to the story and forgot to leave the.
http://childabuseheadlines.com/
Rons lawyer offering Rons testimony is just that and I dont see the PA even considering it. We should know soon but I highly doubt it.
He has nothing to offer in a case that is open and shut. This is a case with both parties on video why would the PA even consider causing doubt in the jury? The jury would wonder whats this guy doing? Whats in it for him? To me it would just cause more problem during a jury trial. jmo
Someone asked how Misty could lie if she was innocent. It’s called DRUGS. Her recollection of the events that night as far as the timeline, etc. are ‘way distorted out of reason’. She can’t remember. This is why she wanted the lie detector done. She wanted to see if something would come out. I think the things she said, did happen, she just doesn’t remember when.
I also think that Misty says things such as “I made dinner and fed the kids”, “I let them watch their favorite movies”, “I put Haleigh to bed at 8 oclock, because that is when her bedtime is” and “I was cleaning”, because those are things she knows she better be doing to satisfy Ron. The truth of that day/night is distorted in there somewhere. But I think she woke up and Haleigh was gone.
Chad saying that the kids didn’t want to go back to Rons and the fact that he hid his own kids……
I really think it is possible that Chad got NayNay to help him that night.(read NayNays letter where she says she is being accused of being at Chads that night and she wants to make sure that Donnie covers for her and says she was at his (donnies)house. If you watch NayNay on tape, she likes money and drugs and may of helped to get those. She also tells of Ron abusing Misty and the kids. Chad also was hating on Ron because of CS’s stories about him. He may of convinced CS that he could take care of things. Told her to have an alibi where she was that night and then show that it takes her 8 hours to get there, so she wouldn’t have a finger pointed at her. Probably convinced her that they could get Haleigh and Jr., take off, get married and live happily ever after.
She did have a baby with him, so maybe to make her happy, she asked him to get Haleigh and Jr. We really don’t know.
Theory: Once Misty passed out, NayNay propped the back door open for Chad (or someone) to get in. Nay Nay split. Chad (or others)could of come in and taken Haleigh,(had her wrapped in the blanket and she slid out, thus the one footprint out the back door) passed her off to someone else in the woods (where the dogs traced her scent) then went back to get Jr. Only at that point, Misty was awake. He took off. They put Haleigh in a boat and left. This is why no cars going through the neighborhood. May be why the dog was barking.
Has anyone checked to see if Haleigh is with Chad’s relatives? Highly possible. There are sick people in this world who think they are ‘saviors’ and that they are doing evil with the best of intentions and rightfully so in their eyes. They are justified in their actions thinking they are saving this child from a druggie babysitter and a father who beats her. This could be why CS was so hell bent on getting Jr. She knows Haleigh is safe and thought this would eventually blow over. But it didn’t. It’s possible that she helped LE bust Ron and Misty for drugs. She wants them behind bars and wants this whole thing to just go away.
Yes Jaba, I do think their affect could be from drugs, but I think it is a much more high possibility that it is from a mental disorder.
I have never seen a mother act like CS. 8 hours to get somewhere when her child is missing? Hell I would of ran for that hour it takes to get there or hitchhiked or something.
Then to stand there and talk about her hairdo when the reporter tells her twice that they think they found Haleigh in the dumpster? Sorry, but no. That’s not ok. I think she knew Haleigh wasn’t missing and she knew Haleigh wasn’t in the dumpster. You can tell by her reactions.
There is no proof that Haleigh is dead, and I guess its safe to assume she is alive until proven otherwise?
All just another theory though.
Yes, I recall the scent of Haleigh through the woods. I put it in my theory above. But it could of also been where she was playing that day.
I doubt very much that PCSD would call this a homicide now if there was any doubt. It would be very damning to them on so many levels, they already have enough bad press. They have something in evidence that is proof of death just not enough to arrest or prosecute a certain person. I believe they found either her underwear or the shirt she had on with blood evidence. I believe whatever it was it was buried near that boat ramp. Thats why they went ahead with the search. Thats just my theory and beliefs.
I hope she’s alive. I really do. But the red flags are too many for me to believe it.
I can buy the plausibility of your theory. It could have happened for all the reasons you mention. It won’t hurt my feelings one bit to be wrong in my thinking.
CS didn’t have custody versus ole ronnie boy, that tells you how much dcf and the courts thinks of her and her ability to mother.
IMO this is a important clue as to who did this. It was not someone allowed into the home! It was someone that did not want to be seen by anyone in the Cummings trailer before and after the abduction.
I have always thought the scent was a mix of the abductors and HaLeighs and it never was followed as if to suggest the abductor came back into the neighborhood or to the trailer.
IMO Jr. is the first and only one I would believe as to what he witnessed and or heard that night and morning and I am very glad he was interviewed by a specialist prior to his mother putting out what she claims he said.
IMO Crystal putting Jr. on camera was a red flag when you consider the circumstances and the possibilities. I do not blame Ron one bit for not moving back into that trailer.
When Ron appeared on NG and was asked where was Jr., Ron hesitated an claimed he was safe and he did not feel comfortable telling his sons location, but, then stated he was with family.
IMO Ron seemed to be worried CS would try and steal the kids and that was why she was not allowed to come to his home and pick up the kids. How many young people change their locks when moving into a rental? Nay Nay was the only one that knew where Ron lived supposedly.
I sure hope the rest of you are right about Haleigh,that thought is always with me .Like GGMS. show me the truth and then I might believe it. This is a tale that comes JS.(MS)him and Ron used to still the kids from each other .That part of it bothers me if the Sheffield’s took Haleigh how are any of them getting see her wouldn’t some be watching them.
I read Johnny S my space yesterday he enters little sayings of things of god always. I don’t no if he was religeous before. I thought with as much as he writes he might slip up if he did it.
Here is another question to ponder. After Tommy tells GH about needing his lawyer unless it is redacted how does GH know about the boat ramp way before The start the search? She talked to Misty later, did Misty tell her about it? And why would Misty tell GH to call GGSykes and TN to tell them? Was it so they could go retrieve the evidence before LE? If thats the case Tommy is telling on her and Ron and not Joe at all. jmo
I don’t think I wrote what I wrote above very well, and then people misunderstood me. I do NOT think Ron and Crystal worked together to hide Haleigh. I just simply get caught up in hoping that’s what happened, because I’d rather believe that Haleigh is alive than think about the real truth. I do wonder about what Ron knows that could possibly get him a 15 minimum sentence than a 40 year minimum sentence. We already know they were selling. They were caught on undercover video surveillance selling. So, that can’t be the information that gets Ron a lesser sentence. That’s a no-brainer. It can’t be that it’s because he left a pill hanging around or because Misty and him would give Haleigh pills to make her sleep. That would make him the reason she may be dead and it would tack on more years. I cannot imagine either that he knew Tommy, Timmy, Misty, or Joe did it, but then he still continued to sell drugs with them? So, what does he know?
JS (MS) is ex LE. IMO this is why this case has went in the wrong direction from the beginig. I watched their MYSpace pages in the beginig for Months and will say this there has been many suspicious comments made by all of them.
If they where in it together IMO Ron didn’t profit from the deal at all!
Crystal and Chad are the ones everyone needs to be putting some pressure on, believe me, it will pay off.
I guess we would have to assume at this point that Ron’s possible lesser sentence for the drugs has nothing to do with Haleigh’s criminal case, but that information about Haleigh could get Ron a lesser sentence on the drug charges ONLY. Then you would assume that Haleigh’s possible death would be a different court issue, and that further sentencing could occur with all parties involved, separate from the drug charges. Is that correct?
Another question. If Ron suspected the Sheffields at any time why didnt he go forward and hire his own PI? He had the 12,000 from the child support and donation money. Just maybe he knows that isnt what happened? Why waste the money on a theory that is going to lead no where? Just trying to figure out why Ron would never go in that direction like a lot of other people have??? jmo
Good point Tobias. We do have to wonder everything about this clan.
Jaba, I hope and pray she is alive too. LE never said they had proof, they just said plan a funeral. That could mean that they can’t find her, have no evidence and no leads. They might as well consider her dead. I don’t know. I didn’t take it that way (that they had something to prove death). But that’s just my interpretation.
I just keep thinking of the reality of the situation and that is that Ron had custody of these kids and there were a lot of people who felt that was wrong.
I wish I could see that far ahead and say without a doubt that the drug charges are going to stick and the homicide case will be solved due to the drug charges or that the seperate cases will be solved without the help of the other case. Who knows? IMO It still is in the air and we will have to wait and see.
If nothing really pans out on mc and tc on the Haleigh case, then I imagine everything has to be looked at again. LE may think they know what happened but don’t have a smoking gun yet.
Or maybe they do now or will soon.
IMO we are being left in the dark to chase our tail and will be shocked when and how the abduction case is solved and the true guilty are behind bars and HaLeigh is brought home.
tobias said,in May 17th, 2010 at 11:10 am Another question. If Ron suspected the Sheffields at any time why didnt he go forward and hire his own PI? He had the 12,000 from the child support and donation money. Just maybe he knows that isnt what happened? Why waste the money on a theory that is going to lead no where? Just trying to figure out why Ron would never go in that direction like a lot of other people have??? jmo
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I wonder when Ron was able to recieve those fund since they where being held due to identity fraud.
TexasMommy,
I can say that there we a few that I questioned but I thought was just me trying to something of them than they really were.
I’ve heard several times that JS was ex-LE do you no where and why he isn’t still?
We Know Tommy had the yellow rope found in his trailer. Why in the world would Tommy cover for Joe- does not make since. I feel that Tommy covered for Misty. Maybe Ron Knows Hard to tell But Misty Killed her I believe. by accident.
BRB Linda. To share.
Does anyone wonder why there is no drug tapes being shown of TC. they’ve showed all the others but none of TC.
I was looking up facts on NonCustodial child abductions. It specifically says that abduction by a stranger is very rare. Anyway, here is what the research shows. Very interesting for sure:
The Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention defines family abduction as when a member of the child’s family, or someone acting on their behalf, takes or fails to return a child to the caretaker of custodial rights. The perpetrator may try to hide the child or take him or her out of state with the intent of keeping the child indefinitely.
In 1999 there were an estimated 117,200 cases of family abduction. This accounted for 9% of all missing children that year. Family abductions are usually carried out by parents who are involved in a dispute over custody of the child. They take or keep the child for themselves, ignoring the rights of the other parent. Noncustodial fathers are more likely to commit this type of crime, but in 43% of the cases from 1999, the perpetrator was female. Usually the child is taken by an adult, but in 2% of the 1999 cases the perpetrator was another juvenile, most likely an older sibling. Most of the children abducted were at or below the age of six.
Some people might ask how much harm family abduction can do. After all, the child is with family, not a stranger. It seems unlikely that he or she would come to harm. Family abductions do harm children. The children are forced to live their lives on the run. Being cut off from family and friends makes things worse. It is not surprising, then, that a national study from 1988 found that approximately 16% of children (56,000 cases) who were victims of family abduction experienced serious mental harm. Four percent (14,000 children) were seriously injured, another 4% percent of cases involved physical abuse, and in 3,500 cases, the child was sexually abused. While family abduction leads to fewer deaths than other forms of kidnapping, it is definitely not harmless.
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Given these numbers in 1999, Im sure the rate is way higher now in 2010! I just think we have to keep this possibility in mind since we don’t really know if Haleigh is dead and have not been told of any evidence or proof of such.
What we have is a bunch of drug induced young people whose minds are so distorted on the facts of the day/night that Haleigh dissapeared. **I don’t think any of them are smart enough to fool the police or hide evidence. **I think they are confused and pointing fingers at each other, because they don’t know what to do.
We have focused on all their bad history in their upbringing, their families, use of drugs and crime activity. We have theorized how they killed and hid Haleigh. We don’t know that Haleigh was murdered. It’s possible that they have all implicated themselves, because they are that messed up in the head.
Those tapes of Tommy talking to GH could have been redacted enough to make them sound like he is saying yep when we dont know if he is saying it to that question or a completely different question. We are putting too much truth into tapes that are messed with in my opinion.
Hello all, been reading your posts! Missed all of you this wkend.
JenM said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Someone asked how Misty could lie if she was innocent. It’s called DRUGS.
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How do you explain her silence and more fabrication then when she was out on drugs…she’s been sober for 4 months now..NO DRUGS..STILL LYING..
The reason I say the above about the tapes is because up to now all the parts redacted are evidence in the Haleigh case so why let them come out if they are evidence against Joe? Maybe because they are not evidence, and the parts about someone else have been redacted and those are the real evidence.jmo
Linda said,in May 17th, 2010 at 11:19 am TexasMommy,
I can say that there we a few that I questioned but I thought was just me trying to something of them than they really were.
I’ve heard several times that JS was ex-LE do you no where and why he isn’t still?
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jaba said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 10:09 am
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VERY TRUE INDEED!!! The whole post was TMI-
JenM. reference to yuor 10:40am. post the Chad Nay Nay is referring to is not Chad Griffis. It is a different Chad. There was suppose to have been a party at that Chads house their in Putnam County. According to Joe Pytco this where Haleigh met her demise by being od and being removed by WBG.
Tobias on the NG show War of the Gmoms. G.Hollar said to” Chelsea why did you tell me to tell them (LE) to go to that spot”? Chelsea responded by saying she did not give that location. Chelsea wanted them to search on 309; nowhere specific.
kristie said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 11:20 am
We Know Tommy had the yellow rope found in his trailer. Why in the world would Tommy cover for Joe- does not make since. I feel that Tommy covered for Misty. Maybe Ron Knows Hard to tell But Misty Killed her I believe. by accident.
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Did they or didn’t they find yellow rope at one point? Then the river story and the cinders..then the rope at tommys. If they have the “other part” or parts of a yellow rope that are tested and consistent to the rope at tommy’s your theory makes most sense.
Misty did accidentally kill haleigh, calls tommy to help dispose of the body..tommy brings some rope..gets’rid of the “evidence”..misty cleans up the house..does some laundry..while tommy sets the scene of a stranger abduction.
I agree this scenario makes most sense. I don’t think Joe had anything to do with it at all nor was he there when it happened.
on Art Harris page on april 20th says they found the rope in Tommys trailer- Lindsay Filed Divorce shortly after on the 28th. what does that tell you? why wont Tommy talk about Timmy?
If Misty were on drugs and acually could not remember when she gave the statement I do not know what happend to that little girl it would not have came up as deception and LE would not have been looking at Misty as the key.
Tobias – great posts – always the voice of reason. JMO
Chad Elliott was the Chad in the letter. WBG helps take care of him since he is disabled from a logging truck accident that left him handicapped.jmo
LFJ, That was strange since Chelsea says they dont talk to GH but she talked with her on the phone to tell her about the location on 309 and talking to LE about it. This whole bunch is way too involved not to know whats going on and they are still trying to push blame off on Joe. Chelsea has been doing this from the beginning. jmo
Kristie, Misty trust Timmy more than anyone. She even stated in her voice layered analysis that Timmy was Rons favorite.
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looking for Justice,
Is Timmy Chelseas husband? I was wondering how he fits into this? maybe he knows what happened or was he there too?
Justice…true. Different Chad. Makes you wonder what really went on though if she was possibly there and now he has split.
C~A, I think she is still lying even after being off the drugs (yet she says they are giving her librium, etc in jail to calm her nerves), because the memory of that night is still distorted. I don’t think she knows everything that happened. I think she has the timeline all messed up, etc. I don’t think she is lying ‘on purpose’ to hide anything. I think she just really is, one, messed up from the drugs, and two, has not much recall from that day due to being under the influence and passed out.
Just my thought though, as no one really knows.
looking for Justice said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
If Misty were on drugs and acually could not remember when she gave the statement I do not know what happend to that little girl it would not have came up as deception and LE would not have been looking at Misty as the key.
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yah…finally ..I been trying to make that point for quite some time now..thanks LOOKING FOR JUSTICE..
Tobias I agree! I feel Chelsea wanted to make sure the fingers stayed away from them. We all knoe LE has to have a specific area to search. Chelsea told G. Hollar this info. Misty told G.Hollar to contact Annette with all the info. Annette and Teresa go searching the woods all afternoon. Perhaps they planted instead of removed evidence.
I don’t think she is lying ‘on purpose’ to hide anything. I think she just really is, one, messed up from the drugs, and two, has not much recall from that day due to being under the influence and passed out.
Just my thought though, as no one really knows.
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Is it rumor or fact about the rope?
If Misty called Tommy to clean up the mess with Haleigh, then why did she tell LE that the back door was just how Tommy sets them up when he robs places? Why would she implicate the person who helped her? I don’t think she would. They would of named Misty a POI right off the bat if they thought she had anything to do with it. They didn’t even name her as a suspect.
I think in the end, she will be charged with child endangerment. I think a few other people who aren’t in jail are going to be charged too.
I also think that LE figured out that Lyndsy lied for TC’s whereabouts that night and offered to not lock her up or charge her, in exchange, if she gave info as to how long he was gone, etc. I also think this is why the divorce and she is moving away.
JenM did the Putnam County Chad split? I know he went to stay with his mom who also lives in the same county right after all that info came out.
The way I see it if you look at all the phone calls recently Chelsea giving G.Hollar the Shell Harbour location, then Misty to G. Hollar to call Annette Sykes. Annette and Teresa go out to that location prior to the search and it being roped off, this is where the cover- up is.
Misty will point at anyone but herself, except Ronald and Timmy.
LFJ, One thing is strange, we have so much info on everyone but Timmy. We only see one photo of him the whole time the searches are going on and its when Ron and Misty are married. He never gets interviewed or captured on video, why is that? It makes me suspisous of him. jmo
Timmy and his wife know something! I don’t understand why LE are not putting pressure on them.
Tobias I too believe that is very strange. It is like he wants to keep his face out of the public. There could be a very good reason for that. Perhaps he was spotted out that night by someone and he doesn’t want to be exposed.
I am having a hard time believing misty was out of it to not know what was going on.
Also, since there is no reported evidence of a trauma type situation in the house. I don’t think there was a struggle there. LE had to have combed that over pretty good. If they have anything from there they haven’t said it. If they do, then that opens the door to a lot more.
tommy is saying it happened there.
Now, if misty wasn’t home and left the kids there by themselves and then a couple of thieves came by and Haleigh ‘caught them’, then that’s another mess. Each would say the other did it.
If it was tommy by himself, Haleigh would have known him.
Of course, if jo and/or tc did get caught by Haleigh, couldn’t they have just lied to her and left and waited for misty to tell her to tell ron he/they were babysitting until she came back.
She’s still in trouble with ron but Haleigh is ok.
Or, misty was gone and a stranger came in,took one kids and left.misty doesn’t want to say she was gone so she says she was sleeping.
The ‘sleeping’ thing makes me think that she wants to shut off what she knows about 10 pm like something bad happened afterwards.
But, where was she? Why won’t she say now? Name the other partiers to clear or suspect them. They would know kids are by themselves.
But, if she leaves at say 9 pm, an hour after she says Haleigh went to bed, and ron is due at a normal time, she would be back long before 326 am and would have noticed Haleigh gone then.
The propped door makes it look like a run out the door with a kid scenario, which perhaps plays both ways. Could be staged and that makes sense.
Actually used by the culprit, makes sense too.
The fact that tommy puts himself there is the wild card.
There are many stressors that can influence the results of a LDT. That’s why the are unreliable. Any type of prescription medicine, recreational drugs, mental illness, and even if you have been sick recently can taint those results. LE thinks Misty holds the key IMO because she was the last person to see her. We do not know what question she proved “deceptive” on do we? I would think putting a lot of stock in those LDTs would prove a futile exercise, considering they can not be used exclusively to prove one’s guilt. LE was hopefully thinking Misty would “crack” and offer a full confession to the events of that night by giving her a LDT. JMO
How does anyone really know what questions came up as ‘deception’ on the ldt?? Someone said that they saw part of it on film and it showed something different.
Someone on a previous post, with experience in ldt, said that the questions were not that specific and there are mostly general questions that she failed.
No you cannot put stock fully in the LDTs. The last one she was given, she was not under any of the stressors and still flunked completely. According to what we heard from the August LDT and voice layered test was she also flunked completely. I hope they do release Rons transcripts and LDT. Then perhaps we could get a better look into this case.
If they pulled cinder blocks out of that area at the dock, then that’s what they were told was there.
I can’t see anyone tying a rope to a cinder block to sink anything but something they didn’t want found.
A deer carcas wouldn’t be eighed down. Whoever throws it wants to see gators eat it, not have it sink out of view.
Makes sense to me.
Of course, an elaborate frame job could have been concocted after the disappearance and the cinder block/rope-attached to nothing-since-its been-there-a-long-time, is a good diversion or creates suspicion on the framed person.
Tim Miller use to have on his site the questions that Misty failed.
If you notice the cinder block that they showed on the news, it has a web on it. It could not have been that cinder block because if it had been under water for all that time there would be no web.
Misty Cummings, the stepmother of missing Fla. girl HaLeigh Cummings was given a polygraph test on Aug. 19 regarding the little girl’s disappearance.
Tim Miller of Equusearch arranged a polygraph test, a voice analysis examination, and a hypnosis session at Misty’s insistence because she claimed she wanted to clear her name. Miller said on Wednesday that Misty failed all three tests.
According to First Coast News, Miller said Misty was asked four questions. The questions, Misty’s answers, and the amount of deception noted are below:
Question: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh’s disappearance?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know what happened to Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know where Haleigh is now?
Answer: No
Result: 95% Deception
Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 42% deception
According to Miller, who was confused by the last question and the amount of deception of 42%, a polygraph expert explained that result could mean there were multiple people involved, and that something may have happened inside the house preventing Misty from knowing who actually abducted HaLeigh.
Miller also told First Coast that Misty cried after obtaining the results of the test, and then stormed out of the room. After speaking to her, she then requested hypnosis and voice analysis examinations.
JenM …..
look here about the rope
http://www.artharris.com/2010/04/19/exclusive-yellow-rope-found-in-haleigh-case/
Has anyone theorized that Haleigh had a seizure and wet the bed? and that is why Misty washed the blankets that night?
Is it possible that Misty had Tommy watch the kids while she was gone for a while? She came home and found that something had happened. Tommy said Ron would kill them both, so they had to make a plan?
Is it possible that Misty took the kids over to Tommy and Lyndsy’s for Tommy to watch them while she went somewhere? Something may of happened over there? Maybe that’s why there is no evidence at the MH to speak of?
Does anyone know what kind of dog Tommy has?
JenM said,in May 17th, 2010 at 12:19 pm Is it rumor or fact about the rope?
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LE hasn’t commented on a rope or cinder blocks.
Thank you for those questions Becky. There is one question missing. Misty was asked what involvement did Ronald have in Haleighs disappearance. hmmmmmmm
If gators were fed on that boat ramp where were they when the search was going on? Did they risk getting attacked during the search or were all the gators gone? I remember watching a documentory about gators and if they are fed they hang around and arent scared of humans since they are the food providers.
Just another question. jmo
tobias said,in May 17th, 2010 at 12:31 pm LFJ, One thing is strange, we have so much info on everyone but Timmy. We only see one photo of him the whole time the searches are going on and its when Ron and Misty are married. He never gets interviewed or captured on video, why is that? It makes me suspisous of him. jmo
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I have asked the same thing about Chad G. and the fact that he has been repeatedly pulled in for questioning is more reason IMO to be looking at Chad instead of Timmy.
Thanks for posting that, Becky.
I do not have much knowledge on gators except for what you (Tobias) and HollysGmom has put up.
The discussion on yesterday’s show was very interesting.
I was hoping to hear a little more discussion about Grammie Hollars as I do believe that her input is valuable.
It isn’t even so much as to what she had said (repeated) that was necessarily valuable imvho.
The timing of her comments, her breaking of the pledge to her GrandSon that she would not repeat the discussion or tell anyone what was said etc… in itself is what I found very interesting.
I personally am of the belief that it appears that what GH had to say to Tommy during the phone conversation between the two was very leading.
Simply put, GH appears to be answering her own questions.
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In the beginning when Grammie Hollars was first interviewed she says that she doesn’t believe that Misty was involved, only Tommy and Joe but then soon after that comment was made and televised she switched quickly to saying that she believes that all three, Misty, Tommy and Joe are all involved.
What/who exactly caused this quick switch of opinion?
Grammie Hollars then tells of how she heard that Misty and Jr. were hiding under the blanket as Haleigh was crying out as she was allegedly being assaulted.
Note: If that were true then Misty could possibly testify to such. (Jr. aka Butterbean Would have surely told someone about an incident like this though I do believe.)
It appears to me as if there is no real trusting sense of alliance within this family. No firmly planted roots so to speak.
It seems that it would be easy and most likely and possibly very common for anyone of them to lie on each other about things both big and small at whim for their own individual self driven purposes. jmo.
Possibly too that the only ones who might be immune would be those who seem somehow significantly useful or “favored” to any one of them from one moment to the next. Again, jmo.
Tobias thank you for the info. I have an extreme fear of these reptiles. The only gators I do not fear are the Florida Gators. LOL!
I always try very hard not to believe that dog eat dog is anywhere near around or on the food chain but I could be wrong.
From what we’ve heard from GH she apparently doesn’t have much of a hankerin for Hank Sr. though nor Hank Jr.
It makes me wonder if that’s why Hank Jr’s name was changed to Tommy?
We all know there is a Grammie Hollars and I am just curious if there is/was a Pappy/Pa Hollars too or?
jmo
Leonard Padilla stated that “Haleigh was already dead when Tommy and Joe showed up at the trailer.”
I really Believe Misty killed her. I believe Tommy helped hide the body with Joe. Tommy knows what happened and so does misty. fact show that the drugs she was on would not make her disoriented.
Did yall Know Lindsay said she was moving in with Timmy? I saw the news video of her stating this AND that the police asked Timmy if he HELPED Misty hide the body. Key words – HELPED MISTY HIDE THE BODY. why is Lindsay moving to Timmys in MA?
If misty took the kids to tommys, wouldn’t JR have said something about that?
Tuff if Jr had witnessed anything at all he would of told his dad and grandmothers. What we know is that Jr said he saw a man dressesed in black take his sissy. He was asked if Haleigh woke up or made any noise and he said no. We did not hear him on the 911 call.
I agree. I have seen things like this sometimes families can say horrible things about each other but if a stranger says it they all are together against this stranger.
They have all said terrible things about each other (Misty claiming Tommy molested her) then they are all together like it was never said.
Tommy claiming Misty wasnt home and is lying.
GH even says she wont talk with Lisa again well, maybe in a month, like its normal to do this. Like she says they all come back eventually(on NG). jmo
Pit bull, I think.
When did Lyndsey say she was moving in with Timmy in MA?
What makes padilla think that she was dead at the trailer before others arrived.
I suspect that abuse of some sort might have been a consistant factor.
Creating allegations, covering up and lying seems to be nothing new to these people and so far we have not really seen any single one of these people who can step forward to end it.
It is a healing process and it can be done.
jmvho
JenM said,in May 17th, 2010 at 1:15 pm Pit bull, I think
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Thanks JenM
Even a watery rope and a watery cinder block probably won’t have enough evidence to say who did it. Only that a homicide was comitted. If they don’t find any remains for evidence of strangulation or smothering or trauma, they’d be hard pressed to nail one person.
If tommy said he was there, or joe said he was there, what proof could be offered as to which one did what. I guess it would be up to a jury. I wonder how you would try a case like that? Both at the same time, one at a time???
Without some tissue to show cause of death by drugs or stangulation or structure damage to the human frame, I don’t know how , as a juror I could be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt on one individual.
The testimony of the other, or other two as to what happened, would be key.
I have been thinking over the weekend. Lindsy was at nursing school that night right, and Tommy was at home with his children? She came home at 1015 to 10:30 and Tommy was there? She said that he was there with her the rest of the night right? well if he went to help Misty before she came home did he take his children with him, or leave them unattened at home? have his children been questioned? maybe he left them with Chelsea and went and Picked up his van and Timmy. I dont know if this is correct info about Lynsy being at school, please correct me if I am wrong. But I have been wondering about where his children could have been, and what about Jr when all of this supposedly went down, and then thinking what if they were all dropped off at Chelsea’s while this was all taken care of????
JR saying ‘ a man in black’ is very interesting.
A black man. Or a man wearing all black? Or a man in dark clothes but not black? Did he have a hat? How do you know it was a man. Was he carrying her or was she walking? Did this person speak? Did they run away? Did Haleigh say or do anything?
All these questions and then some might not be able to answered by JR. Don’t know.
I’m sure LE had him talk to someone qualified to deal with such young children and guage their answers. Poor little guy. Sleeping there , not hurting anyone, like Haleigh, and then they are split up. Awful, just shouldn’t happen.
I thought the only person we ever heard a “man in black” from was CS. And from the post above there are some posters that are suspicious of her and the family. I havent really thought alot about her, but the “man in black” has not cme from le so I have not given alot of thought to that. but I do think that the children play a big part in this, because Tommy’s children and Jr could have been witness to what happened.
Karri–That’s what I have been wondering all along. Where was Jr during all of this? Its been speculated from a rage killing by Joe to an accident by Misty. Where does Jr fit in during the murder/accident to the alleged coverup? Where is he when Misty is waiting outside when Ron drives up? Where is he during the 911 call? JMO
Robin check my post at 1:41 also, we already know Tommy said he was there that night, where were his children????
In response to the person who says that a person would stay at their home after a kidnapping in case Haleigh escaped and would need to find her way home…
Actually if Haleigh somehow managed to escape she would have been recognized by neighbors in her old neighborhood if she somehow returned there looking for them. If she had been taken somewhere else she would be unlikely to find her way home anyways.
I was a child of 6yo who was kidnapped and did escape. I found a family to help me. I can say with certainty having known two family s with children that were kidnapped out of their homes, that everyone reacts differently. Some stay in the home for years. Some cannot bear another day in the home again.
looking for Justice said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Tuff if Jr had witnessed anything at all he would of told his dad and grandmothers. What we know is that Jr said he saw a man dressesed in black take his sissy. He was asked if Haleigh woke up or made any noise and he said no. We did not hear him on the 911 call
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We don’t know what Jr told LE that morning. The man in black came from Crystal and then that story morphed into something extra. As far as the he was asked if sissy woke up and made a noise, where did you hear that? I’ve never heard it before and I watched that interview with Geraldo.Jr. didn’t say anything, he kept munching on chips the whole time.
I wish I had a minute by minute time line and who said what and what back up for the facts are to try and make sense.
So many time variances and alibis.
It wouldn’t take long to commit this caper.
You go in, you slowly pick up the child and walk out and have a manner of death in mind. You do that and head to the river with a rope and a cinder block and throw the body in the water. You sure aren’t sticking around very long there. You drive the car back and you are done. 30 minutes, maybe?
But what’s your back up plan if the kid starts screaming? Even if no one is home, you can’t take her outside if she’s screaming.
If you know no one is home because misty told you, tommy, that she was going somewhere at 9 or 10 or whatever, you know you have plenty of time to make your move and take the life inside the trailer, but yet there are no signs of extra tissue or blood etc…
Now, two people it would be even quicker to pull this off if it had been planned.
Possible Motive:
Joe and/or tommy hated ron so much over something he said or did to them, maybe for some time, that they took and killed his kid.
Reminds me of a movie about some teens in florida who killed one in their circle of friends becasue the guy was a bully and woman abuser. His best buddy and his girlfriend hatched the plot. They hated that guy so much, yet still hung with him until they got sick and tired of him and took him to a lake and stabbed and beat him to death with two other guys.
Just sayin…
That being said,
I never thought about Tommy’s children before, but if he went over to Misty’s before Lindsy got home then I,too, question where his children were or if they stayed alone. Good question, and one I have not heard an answer from or if anyone has considered it before.
Lindsy in the phone tape is unsure of Tommy? How could she be if she stated she knew he was with her that night? I think Lindsy is in a whole lotta trouble if she lied to LE about Tommys alibi. jmo
Anybody heard? Tommy has confirmed that he was there at the trailer that night, that he and Joe went to get the gun to hunt. Does anyone has anyone heard where his children were? Were they with him? did they witness anything? Have they been questioned? Did he leave them with Chelsea, or home alone unattened? They had to be SOMEWHERE? Maybe they are the key to this investigation, I believe some of Tommy’s children are older than Jr.
omg he did confirm it?
No i javent heard a word a yet,but i wonder why we waited for an abovious liar to CONFIRM anything,lol
His little boy Austin did say his daddy scared him?
If lyndsy sticks with the 1030 and tommy is there, maybe he just got home. His kids may have been asleep.
But what if lyndsy gets home quicker than he expects?
I don’t know if that was normal or no t for her, 1015 – 1030. Maybe someone can guide me on that.
That was his lawyers statement Wertner said Joe and Tommy went to borrow the gun. To me this sounds so far out there its almost a laughable lie if it werent for Haleigh. Tommy evidently cant lie as good as his sister can. jmo
Tobias,She is a good liar imo…..manipulative,remember when she told Tommy art and n/g would love to hear it…….i don’t trust her and then she threw his boots away?
Tommy was babysitting till 10PM wasn’t he,then Lindsey says he was in bed?
if there were no guns,ron hd them? wheres the gun Jo has to hold on tommy?
if he had a gun,why barrow one?
Plus everything tommy is saying doesnt implicate him for ANYTHING, like they came to BORROW the gun, and he wasnt in the romm, when he walked in haleigh was already dead, and yada, yada. I just dont believe it. I believe that baby was dead, and Tommy and Timmy went and helped Misty clean up the mess she had made. Misty stayed behind in the MH with junior to clean the house and wait on Ronald to get home. I believe Misty was coached, but I believe her brothers coached her. Now I am not saying ronald was not told after the fact, I do think he knows more than he has let on. I feel JO is being set up. I do feel Tommy will roll over on all of them in the near future. Do we know if he has taken a LDT on this new version of events yet?
Does anyone remember Rons real time to get home? I know he worked over because a barge was late, what was his usual time? Misty would not know he had to work over since she had her phone off. If he started at 4-5 8 hrs would be 12;30-1;30. jmo
also Vaq,i assume by man in black and couch bouncing he doesn’t talk well yet? in the geraldo interview he just shook his head and mumbled!
CathyJo63 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 2:22 pm Tommy was babysitting till 10PM wasn’t he,then Lindsey says he was in bed?
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but there is no possible way. His kids would have had to be with him when him and jo went to BORROW the gun. They would have been witnesses.
Like I said before, maybe these folks first instinct is to provide and alibi until they can talk to their better half, other half, not better:)
Maybe tommy told lyndsy joe did something from the jump and she covered for him to protect him knowing he may not be believed.
Or tommy got up and went into the living room, turned on the tv while lyndsy went to sleep and left out of the house.
right Karri,thats why i said wait for him to confirm? o lord!
I think that Misty Somehow Killed Haleigh while JR was sleeping thats how he missed it. She called Tommy. Tommy loaeded up his kids went t Cheslsea’s dropped off his kids and got Timmy, and they went over and got Haleighs body and disposed of it while misty stayed with JR and cleaned up the house, and did the laundry, and they coached her on what to say to 911 and ronald, and helped her prop onen the door. JMO
Chelsea said Joe was there when they went to bed so he couldnt have been with Tommy until way later or at all that night. Remember she said she stayed up late to do paper work for the wrecked car. So when was Joe supposed to do all this. It makes no sense. jmo
not if he left em alone,so lindsey would think he was home and not implicated in this PLAN!
I ahvent seen any evidence of anything significant from the van that was reportedly moved.
Once again, LE maybe have a little something, who knows.
Karri said,in May 17th, 2010 at 1:52 pm I thought the only person we ever heard a “man in black” from was CS. And from the post above there are some posters that are suspicious of her and the family. I havent really thought alot about her, but the “man in black” has not cme from le so I have not given alot of thought to that. but I do think that the children play a big part in this, because Tommy’s children and Jr could have been witness to what happened.
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i can’t speak for anyone else but imo..the man in black was coached by cs.imo……….
and if i wasn’t sleptical enough then..well it put the icing on the cake when cs said a man in black was stalking her at the HBC?
If he left the kids alone alot then the kids wouldnt think that it was weird that he left them alone, and prob wouldnt say anything about it i would suppose. we are nto taling about responsible parents here.
Also I thinkthey are going with JO had a knife on them cause Misty said he held a knife to her throat, and the lawyer said Friday on NG that Tommy and Misty’s weapons they were claiming JO was using matched up. Soo I betcha its a knife. This is such a BS story tho, we r throwing holes right in it!!!!
The gun would have been more believable,lol no way in hello could he hold them both hostage with a gun,not even 1 oof them,unless somebody else was carrying Haleigh!
both hostage with a gun,
with a knife i meant!
Did he have the kids with him when he smoked the joint with misty?
Chelsea,Lindy all of em imo are lying,why the dang tattoo of Haleigh?
Karri,
That fits a lot of what I can believe.
imo right now..i think….timmy,chelsea,tommy,lindsey,all of em are in on it and trying to hang Jo! to get their selves off…Jo ain’t the one whose lied for 15 months non stop….they have!
it seems they all know more when theyre caught up in a specific detail…then its Jo!
why was JO there from out of state,why was chelsea and lindsey there out of state?
Family reunion,what?
I think there was a plan in advance!
shewww,not lindsey!!! chelsea and timmy??
we still dunno who the a/c guy was,smoking dope with them,silly!
I mean I think Ron knows, maybe thats why he is getting a deal for his drug charge, he may be talking, and the cops may feel for him because he has lost a child, but I dont think he had any direct involvement. I think that something happened, and Misty called Tommy who dropped his kids off at Timmy and Chelsea’s and him and Timmy took the van, and went to help their little sister. I think that Tommy has kept Lyndsy in the dark, and she has unknowingly? (idk if thats the right word) covered for him. I just hope it all come out soon. I may be way off, but this is what I have come up with lately.
Jaba-
yes iirc tommys kids were playing with HaLeigh when they smoked a joint, I think the kids were riding bikes
jaba said,in May 17th, 2010 at 2:39 pm Did he have the kids with him when he smoked the joint with misty?
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I think he did have the children with him, i believe i read that they were outside playing with haleigh and jr.
IMO the 2:41 post by Cathy is probably right
on target except for Lindsy. Chelsea knows who
the real players are. Misty doesn’t have a clue. She just doesn’t have the maturity level to stay quite this long. She is not covering for Tommy she said from the get go maybe it’s my brother. I am not a Misty fan but she is not
that smart. IMO
Anyone want to bet the families and maybe even joe himself follow this story on line. Hell, I’m addicted and I’m not even involved. Imagine people talking about your family members. You’d be looking in.
I’d bet ron and misty and tommy looked in awhile back from the first week to see what people were saying.
Everybody wave to the families.:):):)
Coop,i mistakenly typed lindsey i corrected it under,i meant chelsea,timmy!
i mistyped gun for knife,dunno whats up wiff me,today,lol
why would theyu invite JO down when we all know theres no love lost there anywhere?
/me waves and smiles with an evil eye to da family!
Shoot Jaba,we’ve probably conversated with the killer/napper……….yikes
Jaba,you and me,you oughta see my house,its gonna cave in! wait and see!but where am i?
sitting here with everybody else whose prolly in the same mess,lol
imo TODAYS opinion…..prolly will change by nighfall,but i think they all palnned this and invited ole Jo to the party as a scapegoat!
Well Cathy if it’s the Croslins don’t worry
some can’t read or write. I think that is Hank.
I haven’t heard anyone comment on Lisa’s educational level. She would have had to be a young mother so I am sure they are all
some what environmental delayed.
Why didn’t Tommy ask Ron to “borrow” the gun when Ron called him to check on Misty? I would almost bet that Ron might have let it slip to Tommy that he would be working over that night at his job, and might have even told Tommy to tell Misty so she would not be worried if he did not show up on time. I think if there was indeed a plan to steal this gun it happened after Ron might have told Tommy he was going to be late. Tommy waited on.Lindsy to get home and Joe and him went to the MH to steal the gun (borrow is not in Tommy’s vocalbulary considering his B and E arrests). JMO
lol coop,thats true………forgot that!
But omg,they could gumm us todeff!
omg, a SO? No way!
http://www.news4jax.com/slideshow/entertainment/20067310/detail.html
http://www.news4jax.com/slideshow/entertainment/20067310/detail.html
ROFLMAO!
OMG a man dressed as a breathalyzer in his mugshot,shesh
ya know Robin,you may have something there?
omg sorry guys,dont hate me but we need a laff,a woman dressed in a cowsuit charged with Disorderly conduct,lmao!
http://www.news4jax.com/slideshow/entertainment/20067310/detail.html
robin,didnt it say somewhere that Lindseys ride home was late?
i think i read that,
i think i read that,
Ok so he has the kids and goes home before gma sykes shows up.
That gives him about 2 and a half hours to do something IF he was home and stayed until morning as lyndsy says.
2 and a half hours to hook up with joe, and dump a body and get home, or not hook up with joe, same time frame.
If this was all post 12 am, there is still a 2 and half hour window.
Wonder why they went to steal a gun?
they were out of drugs right? Tommy needed some to go to work the next day,if they stole a gun theyd have to sit on it a few days to even sell it,it makes more sense they went to steal drugs and maybe got irate over that???? If theyre on crack as everyone said!
what if they held up ron and misty and killed little Haleigh because ron wouldn’t habd over the drugs,or just misty?
so ron didn’t say that because he didn’t want it known he dealt drugs!
CATHY JO: OMG, I have been wanting to ask you if you got your name from Petticoat Junction!!!! How cute!! That was my favorite show! Memories!!! Sorry off topic.
a gun to hunt at night! crazy,its more believable to me they were looking for drugs and mistys home alone?
LoL Yep,thats the exact place i got it!
memories.ahhh yes….good ole days!
I think they had all those teeth pulled so they
could get prescriptions. I felt sorry for Flora
Hollars until I heard the tape. That old lady stretched the truth for the media. That phone
call WhatTheF. She put the words in his mouth.
Law enforcement had something a lot better than Flo Hollars clue. They did not search the
St. Johns on Flo’s say so. They are getting
ready to tie up the lose ends and present it
State Attorney soon. IMO
CathyJoe–I don’t have a clue about Lindsy’s ride. Maybe the 2O+ calls to Misty that night was tell her that he has to work overtime–not to conduct an elaborate plan to coverup his daughters’ accident/murder. He calls Tommy (who lives closer to her) to run over there and tell her that and maybe even to find out what is wrong with her phone. I call numerous times to my house when I am going to be late so they do not worry. I think Misty might wait up for Ron when he gets off from work every night, so he wants to make sure she don’t worry or that he might be messing around (since they recently reconciled). I can see this happening as a possible scenario, but who knows with this crowd. JMO
Chelsea was saying there were pills all over the house. those r Tommy’s choice drugs, so why not go over there to score a few?
I pray you’re right Coop!
I just couldn’t believe a gramma would do that to somebody,I am still split on why she’d do that? I am glad she did if its true but just sayin,it makes me skeptical and omg.the f word just flows off her tongue,i could never even imagine my granny saying that!lol
Robin….well stated.:)
The ron call is a piece to the puzzle as far as timing goes.
The gun ‘borrow’ was hatched after the call. Tommy goes by on his own even, and misty isn’t there and has left the kids alone, asleep.
But that seems really risky on tommys part. Ron knows he’s a thief of guns, he’s shown him the guns, tommy knows this and how would he think ron wouldn’t think that coincidentally his gun was stolen between talking to tommy at 9 and 3 30 am. Tommy thinks the gun is there but it isn’t. If I were tommy I’d expect a call about a missing gun a few hours after I talked to the owner of the gun.
I don’t think the gun was the primary mission of the perp(s).
Tommy had the most first hand knowledge of where rc and mc were. He was last seen with misty and ron was the next person to talk to him, that we know of.he would have had to tell an accomplice what the risks were that he knew of before doing a crime. Right?
robin,Ron said he knew something was wrong because Misty was up? so i assume she never was when he got home?
right Robin,who knows!!!!!
which is why too i have a problem with the calls when he got no answer? because they just reconsiled and i know i’d have wanted to reassure him……..i’da grabbed that phone so fast!!!!!!!!
Chelsea lied,sorry……….no way a druggie leaves their stash out especiallllllly in a family full of druggies!!!!!!!
i would believe they went to score a few by holding misty up maybe? possible?
Tommy needed his drugs ,he even said he didnt go to work that day because he didnt have any. Its in one of the tapes and Lindsy agrees with him. So we know Tommy gets agressive when he needs them, he even beat up his own father. Did he get into it with Misty that night fighting over Rons pills? Haleigh just happens to getin the way and ooopppps. jmo
As far as Ron’s plea deal. I think it has nothing to do with the Haleigh investigation. I believe he is “snitching” out local drug dealers to get reduced time. Isn’t he in GP? If so, that would explain how he would get information and names to pass on to LE. WBG arrest might be the result of that. JMO
Linda B: I’m here now. I just wanted to tell you that your posts mirror mine, but the difference is yours are written much better. You get your opinion across better. Anything new happening? What do you think about the gun fight, and Ron initially lieing about it, and also, what are your thoughts on the drug sting.
exactly my point Tobias,he was desperate and if ron and misty dealt as we know they did now? then omg
Why didn’t tommy try and steal some pills during the joint smoking or after. He may knw where ron kept them and could have rummaged through something.
He’s done the old go to the neighbor and make a call while I steal your gun becasue you are blind. What a guy. So he’s a crafty thief. He’s used to doing it. Any opportunity he sees he thinks ‘score’.
And why didn’t he check for the gun while down there smoking weed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o6QXOGbCXE
Lindsey interview!
Just sayin,I have been there,a druggie never ever leaves his drugs layin anywhere,not even at home!
Jaba,was it you asking about who Sheppard Smith was last night,i may be wrong but lol here is is for whoever i forgot.lol
especially pay attention from 3:22 and i dunno how many kids she had found fave down in a canal but she doesn’t even recall what he mmeans!
watch MG 3:34 get giddy,SCRATCH HER LIPS ETC…..ODD!
IF RONALD HIS THE GUNS,BELIEVE ME HE HID THE DRUGS WHICH MAY BE WHY THE BACKDOOR WAS OPEN TO BEGIN WITH,SO THEY COULD TAKE THEM SOMEWHERE TO HIDE AND THATS WHY TOMMY GOT MAD!
omg sorry
right Jaba,and it was 3 am when he and lisa knocked on the neighbors door? crazy!
Don’t you all think it was Ron’s assault rifle, and that Joe was intent on stealing it?
He did show his guns off, remember the incident where he was showing Tim Miller.
right Tobias,mabe b/c they hid stuff from Tommy,he took revenge as an addict would do!
I am telling ya right now,if i didn’t have my pillls,not even 1 i could not get off my couch………but if i knew i’d be getting them it was instant energy,thats how the mind works in an addict!
true but i think Jo’s a scapegoat,just a story to claim he did it? Ronfan that prolly did happen,but i think if Jo wanted an assault rifle,his buddies prolly had one,lol
people have shown guns to me,but i hatem,lol
thats just family,jo likes guns,family gets a new car they brag,man gets a new gun,they brag!
Ronfan, I dont think that JO was involved. I dont think Misty would have ever went to TN if he had been involved. He is a scapegoat. I believe it was Misty plain and simple, and her brothers helped get rid of the babys body. I believe ronald was at work, and knew nothing until maybe after the fact. He might still not know.
all this crap still don’t add up and i can’t see if Jo was involved,how they wasn’t frightened before the drug bust,Jo wasn’t in jail??
Tommys out 3 am and days and nights still dealing!
Cathyjo,
I really dont think Tommy hurt hurt the little girl. I think he was trying to help his little sister. JMHO. He has children of his own. I think he feels bad about what happened, and I do think he will come clean, but he is a doper, and he is not the BEST person in the world, it will take him some time, but I believe he will be the one to lead everyone to the truth. again JMHO.
which tells me he wasn’t too scared for his kids!
I hope you’re right Kari,I would’ve never believed it before,but why all the lies…and he wanted drugs bad so we dunno what shape he got in,but saying he’s scared,i don’t buy iy so it makes him look worse to me!
right too,Karri,maybe tommy helped misty out??
I mean the rat was put in his box for a reason, however ron put it in there, and I have said I dont think ron had anything to do with it. See how confusing this is…. I reallyt just dont know, but I do want to believe that Tommy feels bad and has wanted to tell, and maybe has been ready to tell at times before, but has been silenced, I do think he was scared of somebody, But who, I just dont think it was JOE. I dont know where Ron plays in, Maybe Tommy is scared of Timmy but then again he is in another state too. Who knows, no one except for the ppl who are no talking! LOL
the drugss may have bid hidden at as??
who knows! they went there before school
right Kerri,you’re so confused you dunno wether to scratch your watch or wind your but,just like me,LoL
Your right tho CJ63 the drugs would have been hidden in the home. Misty may have known where Ron kept them tho. But you know ron would have prob kept a count on them….
Karry,sorry lol
but i may be wrong but i don’t think JO is involved! don’t ask me why cuz dunno how i’d splain that one,lol
If I am to believe the Croslins are at fault, I would have to say Tommy did this. I don’t think the gun was the primary focus either. I think Joe coveted that gun, that Tommy might have promised him that gun AFTER they steal the drugs. I do not believe for one minute that Ron left drugs out in plain sight. He hid them as all drug dealers do! So they have to look for them, tear that place upside down to find his stash–unless they wake Misty up and threaten her with the gun to tell them the location of the drugs. They might have put a hand over mouth to shut her mouth, and might have been holding Haleigh as collateral. She locates the drugs for them, they threaten her to shut up or they will kill her and the kids. They walk out of that MH with Haleigh. They have no idea what to do with her but know she is a living witness, so they throw her in the river. Misty was probably threatened to keep her mouth shut or they would finish the job with her and Jr. She is left to hold the pieces! I think Tommy is the main agressor, and Joe was along for that precious gun. Tommy reversed his role in the confession so it might give him a reduced sentence. It is going to be hard to differentiate who did what, that’s why Tommy threatens Misty to go along with his plan, thus implicating Joe. Misty has probably never saw Tommy in such a rage and knows that he might make good on his threats so she goes along with his plan. JMO
right or because ron told her theyd hide them so tommy or jo couldnt harass her about them,he did say.howd you let my daughter get stole which makes me wonder if he left her some kind of protection that day b/c he suspected them of stealing? IJDK!
or trade the guns for a shipment Robin?
why are the croslins all down there,no family reunion,its feb?? makees me wonder if the gun wasnt used to obtain drugs and sommin went wrong!
i see what you mean Robin,hard to figuure out but i don’t believe anybody stealing a gun is gonna kill anyone,but drugs i jdk!
Karry,sorry.God im blind!
se,last correction,lol shew Karri.i need help!
i have never once believed Haleigh od’ed,from a pill she took by accident,Chelsea is crazy if she expects me to believe there were pills laying everywhere…..hogwash!
she may have been given some tho! idk.
I still don’t trust the Sheffield/Griffis connection; now u all have me wondering if he is in w/ Joe and Tommy in a huge coverup, as there is not even a smidge of evidence of a body….or any tissue for that fact. (oops, forgot DEM BONES!! THANKS ARTIE.) Just like JenM says. I don’t think there’s any of us who don’t suspect they are involved.
Shoooooooooot goin’ back to original theory, where Marty Sheffield paid Joe to transport Haleigh….Tommy was the assistant, Misty caught in the middle. Gun and drugs used for money and trading.
There’s no way this could go that far as to having Tommy in w/Misty making up the scenario of the dock? Shoot, gettin’ too way off track.
who knows RonFan,did she see the video i posted above? sheppard smith?
did you?
not she
i don’t trust anybody in Haleighs family,neither side whatsoever!
i might be able to believe one over another,but not 1 oz of total trust!
at one time ronfan,i thought omg what if Misty was with Chad that night,chad needed an alibi,marie gave him one!
what if chad was there at the mh? lol i’ve considered everything and still makes not one lick of sense!
its just hard to believe any of them,period!
i don’t suspect ron,or misty,jo,can’t….i suspect everybody who knew Haleigh because of the mess they created!
thats why i am bouncing all over the place now!
exactly!
ever since that ss interview,it haunts me!
A guy that does burglaries owns dark clothing maybe even black clothing so he can move around undetected. A man in black statement made by JR could very well be Tommy in his B and E clothing. Jr probably never got a look at his face because Tommy kept that hidden or Jr might have seen him from behind. Maybe LE searched that house for some black clothing (Lindsy and Tommy’s house). That rat in the mailbox came after a fight between Tommy, Ron, Lisa, and Hank four days before. Misty supposedly called the Croslins to pick her up because she did not want to stay with Ron anymore. The rat could have been a simple statement not to press charges on him for assault and pursue the assault case any further to Tommy. Its stupid and juvenile, but yet sadly, we see that time and again with them. JMO
remember it was said cs and ron had been thinking of getting back together and the threat misty made to amber about taking her kids……i thought lord cs and ron may have set misty up!
What I find strange about that is TN and Ron never do comment on her falling in the canal. Why is that? jmo
Robin Exactly,or a threat they’d better not rat him out for dealing!
cause its a lie Tobias!imo
Cathy, I asked about that and it was a rumor. Therewas never any interview saying that. Crystal did once say she went back just to be with the kids but it didnt work. Maybe thats where the rumor came from. jmo
when couples fight for custody?
cs said she had to give Haleigh cpr? thats crazy,she would have had to call 911 if it were that bad?
what Tobias? the almost drowning,its in her video interview,cs??
ohhhhhh,you mean lol that ron and cs were getting backk together,oh yea i know,lol
was just telling ronfan i have crazy thoughts about it too,lol sorry
No I meant the rumor Crystal and Ron were talking about getting back together being false. jmo
Jaba
I meant to say Rons Trailer because Ron called and asked him to check on Misty
cops are putting all those phone calls together
but Tommy Admitted he was there at 10:00 at Rons
right,omg i thought Somebodys pretending to be Tobias.she knows better!lol
no i was just saying to ronfan that i have scanned every possible thing that could have happened,sorry i threw ya but tg you are Tobias!lol
robin said,in May 17th, 2010 at 4:33 pm A guy that does burglaries owns dark clothing maybe even black clothing so he can move around undetected. A man in black statement made by JR could very well be Tommy in his B and E clothing. Jr probably never got a look at his face because Tommy kept that hidden or Jr might have seen him from behind. Maybe LE searched that house for some black clothing (Lindsy and Tommy’s house).
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Me too and Lindsey said in the jailtapes she threw tommys boots away? hopefully if he did this she turned them over and was just telling tommy that!
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/01/tommy.croslin.2010.burglary.report.pdf
stuff he stole!
I dont believe Ron since he lied about his drug use. He also lied about never hitting a woman, since we know Lindsy has said Misty was getting beat up and having to go back to Chelseas alot. Ron has anger issues period.
His talk on the cobra tape of what he would like to do to Joes hands is really sick minded.
And that was way after the fact. Yet he rips off the UC, I guess it only matters when its his stuff. jmo
he cut/pried door/removed screen
ransacked!
On the Levi Page show on Blogtalkradio Sunday, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla discussed Lindsey’s apparent dismay that Tommy Croslin took a polygraph while she was out of town visiting brother-in-law and sister-in-law Timmy and Chelsea Croslin in Massachusetts. She’s acting the part of the betrayed wife, but does the betrayal go deeper than Tommy’s keeping criminal knowledge from Lindsey?
Chelsea Croslin, like Lindsey, also appears to have acquired specific knowledge as to key events surrounding Haleigh Cummings’ presumed death. While news to police and a captivated public, the location on the St. John’s river where Tommy may have indicated Haleigh’s body was disposed- site of an extensive search last week- apparently was not news to Tommy’s sister-in-law Chelsea Croslin. According to Padilla, Chelsea suggested March 14 that the same area be searched and even helpfully drew him a map! And Chelsea now claims she had been suggesting that same search location to police ever since Haleigh disappeared. Her reason for suggesting a search of that area allegedly related to its familiarity to Croslin family scapegoat Joe Overstreet. But two months ago, another motive sufaced. Chelsea allegedly received a heretofore secret letter from Misty Croslin Cummings identifying the site as the place cousin Joe dumped Haleigh’s body.
So all along Chelsea was pointing to what is now believed to be the location of Haleigh Cummings’ body. And what of her sister-in-law Lindsey?
tobias said,in May 17th, 2010 at 4:47 pm I dont believe Ron since he lied a
I don’t believe a word he says myself Tobias!
hands?? what did i miss?
when someone steals or robs from a drug dealer,the drug dealers will cut their hand off?? or if someone robs a drugdealer and finds nothing they will too!
like a symbol of some kind,an 80 yr old man here in morristown………was found in the bushes behind his house with his rt hand cut off,they immediately knew it was a drug issue!
Ron knew about the site way before then if you listen to the tapes from Cobra. Those tapes were made just a few months after Haleigh went missing. And if Ron knew it so did Misty. They just used it to frame Joe. jmo
CathyJo63 said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
robin said,in May 17th, 2010 at 4:33 pm A guy that does burglaries owns dark clothing maybe even black clothing so he can move around undetected. A man in black statement made by JR could very well be Tommy in his B and E clothing. Jr probably never got a look at his face because Tommy kept that hidden or Jr might have seen him from behind. Maybe LE searched that house for some black clothing (Lindsy and Tommy’s house).
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Me too and Lindsey said in the jailtapes she threw tommys boots away? hopefully if he did this she turned them over and was just telling tommy that
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Not only Tommy’s boots but Timmy’s too.
Spotting of Haleigh Cummings
This weekend, Florida law enforcement traveled to Massachusetts to speak to Misty Croslin’s brother, Timothy Croslin, and his wife, Chelsea Croslin, regarding the disappearance of 6 year old Haleigh Cummings. Haleigh
disappeared from her home in the early morning hours of February 10, 2009. She is the subject of a state and nationwide Amber Alert. Within the past weekend, it is possible that Haleigh Cummings was sighted at a Wal-Mart located in Abington, Massachusetts.
According to reports, anonymous phone tips were made to various media outlets in and around Cape Cod and Boston stating that a girl matching Haleigh Cummings’ description was spotted at a Wal-Mart in Abington, Massachusetts. This sighting comes in addition to Florida law authorities traveling to Massachusetts to question Misty Croslin’s brother. Source say the questioning lasted many hours and that Chelsea Croslin was questioned for nearly 14 hours. Authorities are reviewing surveillance tapes for further information. The nature of the interviews conducted and questions asked of Timothy and Chelsea Croslin remain to be seen, detectives aren’t currently releasing that information.
A report by T.J. Hart of WSKY 97.3 FM states that a caller reported seeing a young girl in a shopping cart being pushed by an adult. It hasn’t been released yet whether the adult was a male or female. Currently, the incident rests upon surveillance video tapes and whether or not Haleigh Cummings will appear on those tapes. It’s important to note that Timothy Croslin, Misty Croslin’s brother was in Satsuma, Florida at the time of Haleigh’s disappearance. He and his wife also live in proximity of the Abington, Massachusetts Wal-Mart where the sighting took place.
exactly right Tobias!!!!!
yea Vaq,right so why would she throw timmys too??
heres Joe Overstreets sisters myspace. she has misty on their as a friend. wierd.
http://www.myspace.com/michaelandkayleana
The time line doesnt work for Joe either if you believe Chelsea. She said Joe was there when they went to bed, which she says was late.(11-12) Rons regular working hours would have him almost ready to come home at 1;00. It just doesnt work. jmo
It seems obvious that Lindsey has known something all along about what really happened the night Haleigh Cummings disappeared, but how much she knew or whether she was involved remains to be seen. Lindsey was at Ronald Cummings trailer with her children playing and having dinner in the hours before Haleigh Cummings vanished. Two other people reportedly came to the trailer subsequent to Lindsey’s departure: her husband Tommy and Ronald Cummings’ grandmother Annette Sykes.
I wished Joe would make a statement on what he saw going on down there. It may be very interesting. jmo
hang on,she was at the trailer,Lindsey?
http://www.realitychatter.com/haleigh-cummings-f15/lindsey-and-chelsea-croslin-missing-links-in-haleigh-cummings-case-t2276.htm
This is the link for that article?
was Lindsey there that day?
Lindsey apparently attended a nighttime class, but her claim as to what happened afterwards is undercut by Tommy’s admissions. Lindsey claims to have returned from class and had dinner with Tommy, then gone to bed sometime about 10 to 10:15 with Tommy home all the while. That time frame is critical because about 9:45 pm is the time Tommy suddenly admitted last September that he went to the Cummings house on the night Haleigh disappeared At the time, he said he went to the trailer at the urging of Ronald Cummings who was unable to reach Misty by phone. Tommy Croslin said in September that there was no sign of anyone being home at the trailer. Now, it seems from Tommy was there not merely to check on Misty but probably to deal in some way with the events surrounding Haleigh’s death. Two possible scenarios emerge: Lindsey knew Tommy went to the Cummings’ trailer and covered for him or Lindsey herself had more involvement than has been previously disclosed. Because Tommy and Lindsey Croslin lived down the street from Misty and Ronald Cummings, it is conceivable either that Lindsey returned to the Cummings trailer that night or that she knew Tommy did. By the time news hit the next morning that Haleigh Cummings was missing, Lindsey could hardly have ignored her husband’s nighttime excursion.
I’d say it would Tobias!
I did not know Lindsy was at the trailer that day. Did I read that right? Did Lindsy smoke that joint that was passed around that day too?
so lil miss lindsey?
Thats the first time i have everrrrrrrrrr seen or hear that robin!
Wouldnt doubt it from the tapes she is all for going to that colony in Calf. where its legal. lol jmo
omg,i never knew this,maan that changes things!
she said powder for cocaine to tommy,i never used it so i call it cocaine,i thought even that was odd!
Maybe tommy knew where her money was going!
thats prolly why chelsea and her reported the scratch,incase it was found out! hmm
Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony & A Long Discussion
Posted on April 23rd, 2010
http://www.bloggernews.net/124386
I had the opportunity to have a pretty in depth discussion with Statement Analysis expert Peter Hyatt a couple of days ago. His brand of science and art is not Voodoo, it makes perfect sense. Just like the polygraph reveals deception so does the written and spoken word if you know what to look for.
In many ways he backed up the age old theory that in every lie there is a grain of truth. Sometimes it is hard to find, but it is there. The real challenge is finding all of those grains and piecing together the puzzle.
Cases such as Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony become convoluted quickly. Andy Warhol’s 15 minutes of fame rule seems to become the norm. As a case ages, the spider web of ‘important’ people seems to grow at an exponential rate.
There can be no better example of this phenomena as the Haleigh Cummings case. In the rabid need to bring news to the public, just about everyone that is even remotely related to the little girl has spoken out. It does not matter that they had not seen her in years, it does not matter that they knew nothing about her circumstances at the time of the disappearance, they are all experts.
Who holds the real key to Haleigh Cummings? It is not the battling grammies, it is not the aunts and uncles, and probably not the infamous cousin. The truth lays within a very small group of people. Alas this magic band are not being forthcoming.
There is a triumvirate and they do hold the key, Misty Croslin, her then lover Ronald Cummings, and Misty’s esteemed brothers Tommy and Timmy. OK, some one will point out that a triumvirate is three, and I have mentioned four. I believe that when this case is solved three of those four will be implicated.
Based on the crash course that Peter Hyatt gave me, I have been reading and thinking about what all of these people have publicly said over the past 14 months. It gets depressing faster than a speeding bullet. His analysis of the original 911 tape is incredibly revealing. An even more compelling analysis of the case concerns the early investigation. Read this, oh and make sure that your tray tables and seats are in the upright position!
Read it here.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2011-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=14
I’ve had a question on my mind since TC’s attorney was on NG. Who released the Tommy and GMHollers tape his attorney or LE?
I wonder if the van got scratched taking all the pot plants (that le found later) out to the mondex? Everyone would have to clean their homes before LE got there. Misty did call Timmys house before Ron got home. jmo
exactly right Tobias!!!!!!!!!!!!
this puts a whole new spin on it,how could we never have heard Lindsey had been there?
and she throws tom and tims boots away? gave him an alibi.hmmm
LE would have to have released it to the lawyer and it is heavily redacted the calls are all 30 minutes and this call was really short so alot was removed. jmo
they carrired it out the backdorr so not to be seen,placed the brick while they loaded it up!
possibly saying?
Misty has never stated that Lindsy was at the MH that day, and claimed they at dinner there. The Cummings children were eating at the time GGMA stopped by, weren’t they?
if she did help le against tommy it was no doubt to save her own ass! we see how she sticks up for him!
yes they were Robin!
as says tho,Haleigh and jr were eating? no one else!
Timmy is the pot smoker so his would be the one with the plants possibly. Ron is into pills. I bet these people were scurring around cleaning their houses too. JMO
. Lindsey was at Ronald Cummings trailer with her children playing and having dinner in the hours before Haleigh Cummings vanished. Two other people reportedly came to the trailer subsequent to Lindsey’s departure: her husband Tommy and Ronald Cummings’ grandmother Annette Sykes.
misty said she cooked dinner afterwards! right?
The screen door was held open by the block
BUT… the inside door was heavey and closed by itself. sooo how did that stay open.
betcha my last penny! cleaning,misty said beforte she said Haleighs name,i was cleaning?
I thought I heard the attorney say he released the tape to the public. I knew it was probably redacted. Is he creating doubt to the public or seeking his 15 minutes of fame?
mORE LIKE OPENED A CAN OF CHEF BOYARDI FROM WHAT COBRA SAYS. Some cook.lol jmo
before they left they prolly shut it?
forgot they left the other propped?? possible
I think he is hoping to make Joe get scared and run thus making himself look guilty. Very tricky IMO
a can of pork n beans with a fork stuck in them Tobias,lol
Ex FBI Angent working for Haleighs mother Crystal stated he has solved the case. and that Misty knows what happened. that divers were looking for the evidence needed.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/23150613/detail.html
sommin going on,we have heard trillions of stories but this is the 1st time any of this has been heard by me??
Jr. says a man dressed ALL in black took Haleigh. Someone dressed with a plan to take Haleigh and not be seen outside while doing something. Hoodies can be pulled up or even those ski masks with eye and nose holes can cover up dumbo ears. I think two or three separate stuff going on that night. Two black men visit Misty and bounce the couch. Tommy comes over maybe with Joe wanting the gun to do a drug robbery. Finally, a man all in black takes Haleigh.
true too Tobias,I think they all planned to frame him!
remember the video of lindsey and lisa on the porch,lindsey is all for misty in that!
Wow, 14 hours with chelsea. And she was just, up, at the time in question.
She must have been telling everyones life story to LE.
There are a finite number of times they are going to ask her if she was or knows who was involved. Their talk must have been extensive in a variety of areas.
thats what i thought Jaba,they must have something to go on!
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/05/tommy-tapes.html
ya never know Viola? imo anything goes!
now chelsea has a tattoo of Haleigh?
its crazy!
Tobias- The primary focus for going to Ron’s may be his household cleaning products and a few towels to boot. Maybe that’s why there was no detergent at the MH.(Tommy’s MO) Just joking..This case is so tragic and in the midst of it is a missing girl. Its hard to find one ounce of truth and honesty from anyone involved! JMO
And it must have been very important because at the time she was very pregnant,almost due if I remember right, she wouldnt be able to take a poly but Timmy may have. I wonder if this is the poly Tomy talks about him failing?jmo
hm maybe why tommy changed his version,saying he wasn’t there later?
righttttttttt Tobias!
someones voice is on the 911 tape too,or was it,brb phone
911: “OK when did you last see her?”
Misty Croslin: “Um, we like just, you know…it was about 10 o’clock- she was sleeping- I was cleaning…
911: “OK- how old is your daughter?”
Misty Croslin: “She’s five”
911: “Ok…what was she last seen wearing? Maam…”
I’ll bbs gotta run to da store!
Misty Croslin told the same story in letters to her father and a sister-in-law.
Chelsea Croslin, who is married to another Croslin sibling and lives in Massachusetts, said she and her husband got a letter about two months ago from Misty that details the same set of events. Misty’s father, Hank Croslin Sr., said he got a similar letter but tore it up and threw it away.
Thursday, Chelsea Croslin said she did not want to provide a copy of the letter for fear<< of retaliation. Chelsea said her sister-in-law was terrified of Overstreet, so didn’t tell authorities what happened that night.
She said she has been urging the Sheriff’s Office to search the area off Shell Harbour Road since shortly after Haleigh disappeared. She said that was one of the few areas Overstreet was familiar with when he visited.
Bowling said it was the first time he heard about the location tip, although investigators have seen those letters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi6iOeQ8cgs
chelsea video
kim pacacsio is a psychopath…1st time I’ve seen her speak on jvm
iF LE wanted to use a scapegoat they would be down joes neck as we speak…we have two people who SAY IT WAS HIM..that’s more then they have on your so CALLED SCAPEGOAT..that makes NO SENSE AT ALL for you to say they are using her…they have more of a chance with JOE if they were looking for a “SCAPE GOAT”..THINK ABOUT IT! How is it that you even say she is a scapegoat,
has she been charged – NO ..
has she been declared a person of interest NO
is she in JAIL because of HALEIGH…NO
What you don’t get it that LE is lookiing for MURDERER..NOT A GOAT!!!
Ronfan…watch jvm, your boytoy is in his prison baby blues, and he is stylin’ and profilin’.
a scapegoat for the ones who did it CA….not le!
jo’s the one every family member has pointed too!
ok so now I see Tommy said he was home at 10pm then tells cops he was at Rons at 10pm then said he lied to try to get out of jail he says. so he took back he was at Rons at 10pm. now he says again he knows how she died. so was he there or not.
stop personally attacking me C-A..
your gonna get banned again if jan catches you.
OJ,did you see here where Lindsey was at Mistys that day too? a new one on me!
Joe is the one everyone is pointing to.
Steve Brown former FBI stated the person responsible will be arrested- he hinted they may not live in FL. Also he stated he did not believe Ron was there or involved. AND he said Misty may get child endargerment charges/ hmm so that tells me she didnt do it and maybe Joe did? hmmm wonder who it was.
I think somebody just has their facts about the timeline confused.
I heard LC say in one of the JHV’s, she got home at 10:15 – not went to bed then.
It’s obvious LE thinks Chelsea knows something with that 14 hour interogation.
Sold to prostitution was offered up by a caller to jvm. Wow!
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm iF LE wanted to use a scapegoat they would be
sorry CA,LOL who were you referring too? i didn’t see she isn’t a scapegoat? thought you meant he as in Joe
what Jaba?
personal attacks aint allowed by nobody CA,be careful!
exactly Random,they wouldn’t do that just to be doing it!
who was sold?
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm iF LE wanted to use a scapegoat they would be down joes neck as we speak…we have two people who SAY IT WAS HIM..that’s more then they have on your so CALLED SCAPEGOAT..that makes NO SENSE AT ALL for you to say they are using her…they have more of a chance with JOE if they were looking for a “SCAPE GOAT”..THINK ABOUT IT! How is it that you even say she is a scapegoat,
has she been charged – NO ..
has she been declared a person of interest NO
is she in JAIL because of HALEIGH…NO
What you don’t get it that LE is lookiing for MURDERER..NOT A GOAT!!!
Thats just mean! Now that i get it??
be nice!
Kim P looked to me to be very professional in her spot on jvm.
Don’t know how you get anything other than that out of a few short sentences during each segment.
She may be something else. But from that interview. Normal for an attorney.
ahaaaaa Kristie,betcha i know who it is?
I DON’T THINK JO DID IT AT ALL!
What is Kim Picazio doing on JVM? I thought she no longer represents Crystal. Is she trying to stretch her 15 minutes of fame out just a little longer…Hmmmmmm
we agree once again JO,I do not like KP at all!
OJ..Shewww sorry
OJ’s glove said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 1:54 am
tommy sent LE on a wild goose chase..50 divers! can you imagine that!? the cost? the foolishness the sheriff must have felt? and the cream on the cake was the sheriff’s own SON was snared up in a drug sting and charged with TRAFFICING!!! what a JOKE!!! pcso are a bunch of barney fifes tryin to make misty a scapegoat patsy for their botched bungling of the haleigh
investigation!
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CathyJo63 said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
a scapegoat for the ones who did it CA….not le!
( UHM NO..SEE ABOVE POST..MAKES NO REF. TO ANYONE BUT LE)
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C~A said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
iF LE wanted to use a scapegoat they would be down joes neck as we speak…we have two people who SAY IT WAS HIM..that’s more then they have on your so CALLED SCAPEGOAT..that makes NO SENSE AT ALL for you to say they are using her…they have more of a chance with JOE if they were looking for a “SCAPE GOAT”..THINK ABOUT IT! How is it that you even say she is a scapegoat,
has she been charged – NO ..
has she been declared a person of interest NO
is she in JAIL because of HALEIGH…NO
What you don’t get it that LE is lookiing for MURDERER..NOT A GOAT!!!
misty is innocent!
http://www.examiner.com/x-32312-Amber-Alerts-Examiner~y2010m5d17-Haleigh-Cummings-update-Tommy-Croslin-cooperating-with-police-phone-call-released-video
Have all of you seen Part 1 and 2 of The interview with Joes attorney?
Who Cathy? I always thought Misty
you know thats right Robin,HBC didn’t bring in enuff,lol imo
she said Cobra was all this stuff.crazy you name it,but later went on to say she hoped her kids could sit on his lap again one day! geeeee
i think Jo was always the scapegoat by the family,
is that what you asked me Kristie? lol
CathyJo63 said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm iF LE wanted to use a scapegoat they would be down joes neck as we speak…we have two people who SAY IT WAS HIM..that’s more then they have on your so CALLED SCAPEGOAT..that makes NO SENSE AT ALL for you to say they are using her…they have more of a chance with JOE if they were looking for a “SCAPE GOAT”..THINK ABOUT IT! How is it that you even say she is a scapegoat,
has she been charged – NO ..
has she been declared a person of interest NO
is she in JAIL because of HALEIGH…NO
What you don’t get it that LE is lookiing for MURDERER..NOT A GOAT!!!
Thats just mean! Now that i get it??
be nice!
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What’s mean cathj? What???? MISTY IS NOT A SCAPEGOAT..IF THEY WERE LOOKING FOR ONE THEY WOULD NOT PICK HER…WHAT’S MEAN..DONT’ GO THERE…IT’S MY OPINION..WHO’S IT BEING MEAN TO..???
CALLED SCAPEGOAT..that makes NO SENSE AT ALL<< for you to say they are using her…they have more of a chance with JOE if they were looking for a “SCAPE GOAT”..THINK ABOUT IT! How is it that you even say she is a scapegoat,
has she been charged – NO ..
has she been declared a person of interest NO
is she in JAIL because of HALEIGH…NO
What you don’t get it that LE is lookiing for MURDERER..NOT A GOAT!!!<<
that was! to me it was!
Makes no sense at all to you but its his opinion,its ok.calm down,lol seriously
Haha Cathy
I meant who you think killed her?
do you think Joe was there? I think he was but maybe not the killer.
i wonder how they kept it quiett about lindsey and them eatiung dinner at mistys that day?
blows my mind!
i do not think jo was involved,tho i may change my thoughts in an hr or so..lol but no i think he’s the family scapegoat!
Does anyone think Ron Married Misty to make her legal adult to get her charged?
and whoever it is that killed her will be arrested after they pile up the case.
who u think it is Cathy?
I wish some of our readers would join the discussion. Fresh opinions and theories would be nice tonight.
UHM YES CATHY HIS OPINION AND MINE…WE ARE BOTH ENTITLED..WHAT’SMEAN ABOUT IT? I DON’T APPRECIATE BEING TOLD I AM BEING MEAN WHEN YOU CAN READ MY POST FOR YOURSELF..NOTHING MEAN ABOUT IT!
I am calm but it frustrates me that you come in on my post when you don’t even know what I am saying and have a twisted take on it…READ THE POST WITHOUT BIAS PLEASE BEFORE YOU TELL SOMEONE THEY ARE BEING MEAN WITH NO BASIS FOR IT..GAWD..SENSLESS B.S
THANKS…
i don’t know right now who i believe did harm to Haleigh but at this point,wouldn’t shock me!!!! to hear either confess to it?? ya know!
I also think they went to steal drugs,not a gun??
I also think the drugs were loaded that day out the door propped open?
then some serious housecleaning went on!
you said,do you know how STUPID? that is….thats mean and i aint saying another word about it!
no semse,stupid maybe i took it wrong,if so,I am sorry!
no Kristie but i think they waited till she turned 18 to get her! le?
What did Picazio have to say on JVM…anything worthwhile? I just wish a caller would ask who in the Sheffields have taken LDTs and what their results were? – I think the Sheffields had the most motive and the most to gain by taking this child. I bet they even thought beforehand to take her from RON’s house on MISTY’s watch. JMO
Oj is always mistreated because of his opinion anyways. CA does not like him and her posts show it as well as a few others.
wouldn’t surprise me at all either Robin!
I do know that Misty was on 3 day drug benge that was told by several people AND that she was with some other guy. It wouldnt surprise me that Misty would let her family come to steal or do drugs.
Hey – RON said the back door was dead bolted and no key- hmm maybe because he knew that was his drug back door.
they did find yellow rope at tommys so we know he was involved- my gut told me Misty was the reason Haleigh died. and then tommy helped his sister- he wouldnt help Joe.
CATHYJ – THIS IS MEAN..BUT YOU SAID NOTHING WHICH MY BASIS FOR ASKING YOU TO STOP BEING BIASED AND FOCUS ON WHAT IS BEING SAID AND NOT WHAT YOU DECIDE TO INTERPRET…
OJ’s glove said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am
c-a..our laws are not like your french laws..maybe you shpuld concentrate on all those feet in your neck of the woods.
exactly right TexMom.ca came in hollering at him as well as yeterday and his opinion is his but he didn’t say ca’s opinion made no sense!
The Sheffields will not be able to get away with it much longer. JMO
i aint listening ca,its not like you wanna be fair!I do! I woulda said it to OJ if he did it to you,you know i would!
Cathy my goodness how much does the drugs the
guys had weight according to your 6:47 post.
Thats a lot of drugs to require that the door
be propped open. I think it was a banged up
storm door and was always propped open by the repairman.
after you insulted him yes,and i am not kidding,please drop it!
I HAVE!
I am sorry if i did anything wrong to you!
I think a constant baseless regurgitation of misty is innocent is not only irritating but has no foundation…we all get it..i have nothing against oj..i just think he needs to stop his personal attacks as well as some of you in here on those of us who would like to discuss FACT..and opinions based on fact.
It is obvious he has a dislike for me personally or he wouldn’t bring up my kids..WHY IS THAT Ok? i SIMPLY give my opinion on the case and don’t attack personally…WHAT GIVES HERE IN THIS ROOM ????
kristie said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:53 pm I do know that Misty was on 3 day drug benge that was told by several people AND that she was with some other guy. It wouldnt surprise me that Misty would let her family come to steal or do drugs.
Hey – RON said the back door was dead bolted and no key- hmm maybe because he knew that was his drug back door.
they did find yellow rope at tommys so we know he was involved- my gut told me Misty was the reason Haleigh died. and then tommy helped his sister- he wouldnt help Joe.
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If you want to believe Nay Nay and ever other rumor……
CATHY I DID “NOT INSULT OJ” You can’t say stuff like and tell someone to drop it..I didn’t start it..if anything if you “read” my post on what he said to me today..HE INSULTED ME BUT GUESS THAT’S OK …OMG
well from what we have heard from Geraldo,there were bricks….he was into drugs right…..?? we know that now? imo they may have took them all out the back door,they said ppl saw bricks,plants????? they didn’t wanna be seen by neighbors,they imo were hiding the drugs cuz of timmy and jo and tommy no doubt? then when ron went to work they came over to steal drugs,why get mad cuz theres no gun to steal….they were after drugs?? imo
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:58 pm I think a constant baseless regurgitation of misty is innocent is not only irritating but has no foundation…
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I do not see any difference in your regurgitation of rumors and lies.
only jo wasn’t involved imo……scapegoat!
why they invited him down no doubt,every one of em pointed to him!
after molesting a child,they had kids?
Bombshell tonight!
Oj gets hammered every day and practically after every post.
why invite him down there?
i just dont believe for a second anybody was killed if they were for a gun? more to the story!
tommy couldn’t even go to work without drugs remember,they loaded the drugs,scratched the van,the big door shut on its own,they forgot they propped the screen…..not saying its gospel lol Coop…possible!
because now we learn even lindsey was there for dinner that day too?
why did as say the kids were eating dinner only….?
and i said if i did hurt you i was sorry,and i am but lord i dont wanna keep going,if he insulted you 1st,yes hes wrong……that simple,I AM SORRY if i did something wrong!
I can only apologize for what i do? not anyone else!
TEXAS..THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU…I WONDER WHY HE GETS HAMMEREED..WHAT DOES HE HAVE FREE REIGN TO SAY WHAT HE WANTS AND HIM ALONE????
YA WANNA TELL ME WHAT RUMOURS I STARTED OR LIES I SIMPLY DISCUSS THE CASE..YOUR NOT BETTER “MOMMY”
YOU HAVE NO BASIS FOR YOUR ATTACK ON ME EITHER ..
IMO YOU JUST REGURGITATED YOUR OWN IGNORANCE IN WHAT IT IS YOU “THINK” YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT …
NEWS FLASH…YOUR BUTTING IN WITH BASLESS RETORIC JUST SHOWS YOU CARE ONLY FOR YOUR LITTLE CLIQUE..NOT HALEIGH..
WHY DON’T YOU ALL JUST LAY OFF ME..THIS IS RIDICULOUS..I HAVE MY OPINIONS AND SO DOES OJ..MIND YOUR OWN BUSNINESS YOUR PART OF THE PROBLEM..
ATTACK ATTACK FOR NO REASON..BACK YOUR MOUTH UP MOMMY IN TEXAS..OR BACK OFF
jaba,another one,large,med or small? lol
There’s innocent misty , high and selling drugs to the UC. And ron in the back and she’s counting pills , holding a cigarette and smiling. Not a care in the world.
And then the cops roll in.
She gets in the next car and keeps going and collecting money and pricing drugs.
She has no chance in this with ron turning on her.
see,you are tearing into everybody CA!
Please calm down!
Hi TexasMommy39
check out this link…
investigators were told by several that it was confirmed Misty was on a drug benge-
also there were witness’s that saw misty if u listen to the tape that Misty Hit Rons son in the car at the bus stop
Also, that Ron confirmed he knew Misty cheated on him the day before.
it is also in the police reports. I read them along time ago Im sure I can locate them again.
Well cathyj you only insulted me if you say I was mean..that’s just ridiculous. NOT fair.
If you don’t, then I accept your apology and thank you.
That montage of tapes is pretty damning and we don’t even have all the angles captured in the car.
Cathy this home was in a trailer park. If they
had that much in drugs in that home there is
a lot bigger fish to fry in this than the
Croslin clan. This people lived a very poor
lifestyle. The lifestyle doesn’t match and they
sure don’t have an offshore account. I think
they are small town peddlers and poppers.I think they existed on sellings pills and stealing. How does Hank that can’t read or
write run a drywall business that employed
Chelsea. Misty is not the key Chelsea is the key? She was always following along behind Misty smoking like a chimney in the beginning.
They got out of dodge in a hurry. Timmy was
knocked out on drugs due to the auto accident.
……as per Chelsea, Van keys moved per Chelsea, She was up late doing insurance papers
where was Joe at that time smoking.
LMAO
I agree, you are mean.
true coop but it seems everybody there was in the know,but maybe feared because of retalliation and they’d just moved there too? so i dunno,
and i agree.Chelsea knows alot and maybe thats whats coming next??
cathy AGAIN..NOT TRUE..TEXAS BUTTED HER NOSE IN WITHOUT BASIS..I RESPONDED..NOT AN ATTACK GIRL
YOU POSTED A RESPONSE TO MINE…WHICH WAS ALSO UNFOUNDED..I DON’T RECALL SAYING ANYTHING TO ANYONE ELSE…SO PLEASE….END IT!!!
yOU HAVE TO REALIZE, I DON’T ACCEPT BEING WALKED ALL OVER OR BEING ATTACKED …I JUST DON’T ACCEPT IT. THAT IS MY RIGHT. I AM RESPECTFUL AND I STAY FOCUSSED TO THE CASE..I DON’T THINK I HAVE BROKEN ANY RULES MORALLY OR OTHERWISE..
PLEASE AGAIN..IF YOU CAN’T BE UNBIASED AND STICK TO THE CASE..DON’T READ MY POSTS OR RESPOND THAT GOES FOR TEXAS AS WELL.
SEEM THE TWO OF YOU ARE TALKING FOR OJ…AND YORU THE ONES WITH THE PROBLEM WITH ME ..SHOULD REALLY LET THE ONES DISCUSSING DISCUSS IT BETWEEN IF THERE IS A CONFLICT OF OPINION. YOU GUYS HAVE ONLY MUDDIED UP THE ROOM..
I don’t pull any punches..but I won’t take em..why should I?
Now can we please just leave it alone…you both have said things that aren’t true..i just don’t appreciate it..
ok here is the link with the guy Greg and his pic
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mistycroslin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/white-boy-greg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mistycroslin.com/%3Ftag%3Dwilliam-cobra-staubs&usg=__eEcj-yNhKMJXn7crU2BezgvA48M=&h=320&w=240&sz=12&hl=en&start=81&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=0mXMLUY8aS8wWM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=89&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpics%2Bof%2Bmisty%2Bcroslin%2Band%2Bboyfriend%26start%3D80%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1R2GGLL_en%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1
kristie said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:12 pm Hi TexasMommy39
check out this link…
investigators were told by several that it was confirmed Misty was on a drug benge-
also there were witness’s that saw misty if u listen to the tape that Misty Hit Rons son in the car at the bus stop
Also, that Ron confirmed he knew Misty cheated on him the day before.
it is also in the police reports. I read them along time ago Im sure I can locate them again.
************************************************Honey, Those are rumors and lies. Misty was gone 48 hours. Misty did not hit Jr. at the bus stop, and Ron did not find out for at least 5 days that Misty cheated on him. What police report are you speaking about?
i agree Coop!
CA! I am truly sorry if i jumped the gun but it does appear the way i saw it.maybe i am mistaken,I am sorry!
Can we drop it,I guess we all get a little aggravated and say things but we shouldn’t!
and i am cap queen i know..but when you spoke to him when you came in you typed all that in caps and i assumed you called all of us crazies till i saw >she? then i knew you meant OJ! SORRY OK?
Now lets jaw?
texas..post my mean post if you dare!!!! We are not in kindergarten lady..go back on the carpet if you can’t play nice.
Hey Texas Momma
so are you saying that the other parent at the bus stop lied?
Ill dig up the police report. look up and see the other link to Mistys cheater BF Greg.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:15 pm iF LE wanted to use a scapegoat they would be down joes neck as we speak…we have two people who SAY IT WAS HIM..that’s more then they have on your so CALLED SCAPEGOAT..that makes NO SENSE AT ALL for you to say they are using her…they have more of a chance with JOE if they were looking for a “SCAPE GOAT”..THINK ABOUT IT! How is it that you even say she is a scapegoat,
has she been charged – NO ..
has she been declared a person of interest NO
is she in JAIL because of HALEIGH…NO
What you don’t get it that LE is lookiing for MURDERER..NOT A GOAT!!!
Thats the one i ASSUMED you jumped us all over and you’re right,if i’d taken time to read it then it prolly wouldn’t have happened to begin with!
My apologies! Sincerly!
i don’t think the bus stop parent lied,he was also a dcs worker too right? jerry?
I am going to say this to those involved… if this subject is not dropped we are going to have to start banning people that continue with it. And please consider this a warning. I don’t want it to come back on me that I was unfair to anyone.
If it didn’t concern you to begin with please stay out of it. It is hard to find out who started what when everyone jumps in.
I think we are all a little too sensitive these days. And I advise you all to remember that everyone has their own opinion whether we like it or not. This is not a battle ground for those that want to argue. It is a place to discuss this case.
Jan Barrett
I agree cathy…if we can agree to admit when we are wrong great…I am actually a serial cap useer…MOSTLY FOR EMPHASIS…so now you know…you can ask jan for old postsof mine…same style…its just me
Texasmommy_Something does not set right with me about the Sheffields. If LE even investigated them, they are sure keeping that tightlipped (except at the farm search), but the Croslin investigation they have made a media field day out of it. Every little tape and video have been nitpicked by every “so called expert” and been regurgitated all over the news.At the beginning my first thought was the Sheffields did this and then the drug arrests and latest search caused me to rethink that scenario. I thought for awhile maybe a stranger abduction, but like the Croslin scenario, I think a body or remains would be found. The only ones that had motive (although a motive does not need to be found it does help an investigation) and means to do this are the Sheffields/Griffis family. Frankly I do not think the Croslins/Cummings could pull this off for 15 months. I might play with other theories like Tommy being the culprit, I do believe the Sheffields theory is the one that makes most sense. I think LE has let them fly under the radar for far too long. JMO
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:22 pm texas..post my mean post if you dare!!!! We are not in kindergarten lady..go back on the carpet if you can’t play nice.
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You are mean and I do not need to go any where. Maybe you need a break. As far as not responding to you I usually do not and will not in the future.
You have your opinions of a lot of posters obviously and only chat with a few anyways.
Greg Lewis Page
(see source below)
aka “White Boy Greg”
referred to by Cobra in his audio interview:
“..I said Ronald, I have a very difficult question to ask you, about your now wife. It appears one week before Haliegh came up missing, she was. And Ronald told me to “stop right there, I know what you are going to ask me, yes was she f*cking a black guy? Yes, how do I feel about her f*cking a black guy? I know this, if I didn’t marry her, I would never, you hear me? What do you do to your enemies?” I said (Cobra) “You keep them close.” Ronald says “Exactly, and if I didn’t marry her, I don’t know where in the hell my, where am I going to look for my son? (Cobra meant to say daughter).”
Page was CLEARED through his polygraph of any involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance and PCSO does not consider him a suspect.
Misty Croslin Cummings also admitted to the weekend and drug use following confrontation by LE of this incident during a polygraph as well.”
… snipped from the following article:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/haleigh-cummings-case-exclusive-misty-on-3-day-bender-with-lover-and-drugs/
a person can only apologize so many times!
Thank you Jan..
robin, I have faith that PCSO will solve this case and the Sheffields will be found guilty of abducting HaLeigh.
is that the one?
Greg Lewis Page – myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=204816204
*added to new myspace thread
I just read your post Jan.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:27 pm I agree cathy…if we can agree to admit when we are wrong great…I am actually a serial cap useer…MOSTLY FOR EMPHASIS…so now you know…you can ask jan for old postsof mine…same style…its just me
Well,I can’t argue there..LoL I DO understand that one,see we do have sommin in common!
I don’t need to ask Jan.I believe you!
sorry Jan! no harm intended!
cathy I said..i accepted our apology..don’t you read my posts?
texas..I didn’t think you could post one thing that back you up…I don’t have an opinion on “a lot” of posters..I discuss what is brought up by many..I am only trying to be involved and voice an opinion..dont’ advise me..your posts are evident you need the break..BUTTIN YOUR NOSE IN. I have never said a mean thing on this blog nor have i ever really conversed with you. So please have respect if you can’t butt out..
NOW …
I use caps to express yself too Ca,so i do understand that! lol mostly cause i can’t remember my caps are locked but …lol
So the plea that ronald has brewing against misty is about the haleigh disappearance.???? wow
I wonder:
Has anyone every verified how many people had keys to the mh? Were there new locks put in the mh doors when Ron moved in?
If someone had another key, what’s to prevent others from making new keys and getting in the mh.
Maybe someone simply came in and took Haleigh.
How many people were entertained in the home in the previous weeks, especially when Ron was at work?
I do not see LE positioning it’s self to arrest someone for murder yet as they need to get the whole time line as accurate as possible. If for example, any of the players actually were involved in this case, part of the problem is there has been drug use, illegal behavior of various types, changing stories and no hard evidence. Hard to actually pin a murder, accident, negligence charges etc when there is no collaboration.
I think if they did get a conviction it would be easily appealed. They need more than what we know about at this time. There are many options out there that could be true, even ones that some of us do not think possible.
You may be wrong, and I may be wrong. imo
thanks cathyJ …no harm done!! or intended 🙂
Link to the first police report
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf
Ron said he had a 9mm in his residence. I suppose it was not stolen.
I guess Jan was only talking to me when she said drop it?
homespain…anything is possible..however the lies lies lies tell me otherwise…
lol 🙂
Likewise! CA!
yes CA,i do..lol do u even have to ask.rofl i was looking for articles on wbg!
YOUR FUNNY CATHYJ…GOOD ONE.. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Homespain,also who knows Misty wasn’t knocked out by a drug and they used her keys and puttem back,ya know?
Wonder how that caller got thru on the NG show, surely she never expected Ron’s character/innocence to be questioned. ROFLMAO
call it as i see it Ca,or sometimes i don’t see it so i just call it and thats where the problem lies,rofl
they screen those too don’t they JustOne? i thought so!!
Is this the “fight” that Ron says wasn’t really a fight?
Why did Misty no longer want live with Ron?
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/08/18/cummings.arrest.pdf
if she did expect it the line woulda went dead,lol
CATHY…NG SAID…
DID YOU SEE THIS..
C~A said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
So the plea that ronald has brewing against misty is about the haleigh disappearance.???? wow
They do screen them, she must have lied about her question or mentioned the “twins” that I get sick of hearing about
UGGGH! I’m so angry at all these families trying to profit of dead or missing babies,Chelsea trying to sell the letter and I also read today that the Anthony’s sold more pics to CBS. This has become such a sick part of our society.
sorry off topic, but had to rant!
wow that is a bombshell,so loud it deafened me!
N/g,i swear!
rofl omg Justone……ewwwwwww
athyJo63 said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Homespain,also who knows Misty wasn’t knocked out by a drug and they used her keys and puttem back,ya know?
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We can speculate forever on a million scenarios..but misty would not fail miserably on the polys and stress tests guys!!!!
If she said “I DON’T KNOW”…and she really “DIDN’T KNOW”….SHE WOULD NOT FAIL NOT ONLY ONE BUT 4 POLYS…drugs or no drugs…her physiology would not REGISTER DECEIPT if it was TRUE BLUE STATEMENT..
Chelsea is trying to sell the letter,you gotta be kidding me!
Too bad for Hank sr. then cuz he tore his up,lol
chakra…the anthonys are despicable..will hold out on their pics to continue to support a KILLER.
can’t even wrap my brain around those monsters..i hope le get’s em …and they will..perjure themselves..and they will try..JUSTICE ALWAYS WORKS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
no doubt to pay for her attorney when she gets arrested.imo.lol
I wonder if this letter is the Tommy “tapes” that was mentioned last night.
prolly to pay for HER attorney she’s gonna get,lol
dunno how i did that twice? it didn’t show so retyped it now both are there,lol
cathyj – Chelsea…what do you think of her? YOu think she is involved?
gotta give it to ya Ca,but stranger things have happened,maybe she didn’t wanna tell they’d been there!
i mean tell ron?
hmmmm not 100%.more like 99.99% CA!
why the tattoo….makes me wonder!
why leave so fast?
Thats a shame Debber!
wth would Lindsey do that? thats lower than low!
she did say in the one jail visit tape that a/h and n/g would wanna hear what she had to say,or something similar!
CathyJo- was that WBG myspace you linked
if so he sure looks different on art harris site dosen’t he?
ya cathyj…is it proven that is chelseas’ foot? I can see a possible affair between them if haliegh is on “her foot”..I doubt marriage vows mean much in bug tussel Hollar..but..why do you think she is involved..the move is def. a red flag..but she wasn’t even said to be there nor is anyone pointing the finger at her..I personally don’t think this case goes any further then the ones already in jail…both proven liars..both protecting eachother as sibling would and we all know they love eachother enough to point the finger at joe…it’s so transparent why they would do that..I just don’t see chelsea being involved.
HOLLARS: That she heard Haleigh in there crying.
GRACE: And who was in the room with Haleigh?
HOLLARS: I`m going to say Joe or Tommy, one.
GRACE: Or both?
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yet now she says she believed it was Jo all along!
chakra7 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 8:13 pm CathyJo- was that WBG myspace you linked
if so he sure looks different on art harris site dosen’t he?
yes Chakra it was and you’re right! lol
Lindsey wasn’t said to be there either but she was Ca??
your right CA karma’s gonna be a be**och for the Anthony’s I’m hopeing they get purgery for their lies and many inconsistant statements to LE
CathyJo ,
I read that piece from blink on crime or whatever the names is.But why did it say by chilling coincidence it was Caylee Anthony’s 1st birthday.
I thought it was about Haleigh Cummings case that WBG. was in.
which piece,i’m sorry!
ohh i gotcha now,lol hmmm didn’t notice that?
Flora called Annette and told her what Tom said to her, so why did Annette and Theresa search the WOODS over at the dock area all afternoon?
Tom didn’t say anything about the woods during the call. Misty called Flora after Tom did, so could it be Misty told Flora something about the woods?
Liars lie. They were lying before Haleigh went missing. They lie for the usual reasons, as well as some that make no sense.She and other family members have lied previously to Haleigh disappearing. And since lied to and about each other when angry, and then retracted those lies again when they want together.
It is a big mess to figure out. Allot of distractions. I can’t tell you the number of people who talk guilty, lie, misbehave in many ways and yet turn out to be innocent of murder. It can be that simple, maybe not.
After all, I doubt that any of the players expected the scrutiny they ended up with.
Imagine you are Misty for a moment. You may have felt inadequate as everyone in the world now KNOWS she’d been in a sex and drug fueled weekend. Followed by family members who Ron hates- visiting the mh when Ron was at work, no less on the night Haleigh disappears. That dope is being smoked around kids.That your house is a mess and laundry is undone, and cops will see it.
I’d have been embarrassed and gone on about cleaning up and doing laundry trying to make myself look better- after all, a child is missing. If I say I fed them, cleaned and did laundry it looks like I care. Maybe that’s why Misty actually volunteered that kind of information inappropriately.
You can say -who cares?… a child is missing! But this is an immature self absorbed, stressed, exhausted girl/woman. She’s lost Rons child- he’s really mad. She’s the last one with the child and feels bad, maybe angry, because now look at the trouble she is in! And she didn’t even want to babysit that night. The world watches and comments and judges her, even her family turns on her for a while.
Yea, I could see how lots of lies came out of that, especially given how the whole family lies, thieves, does drugs, and is maladapted in general. What I’m getting at is it’s too easily so say what is right and wrong behavior given her world view. To say it equates guilt of murder, or negligent homicide isn’t just.
And yes, it’s possible she is guilty of murder. As are others.
Now you or I, given our completely different world view, upbringing, etc, if we talked, lied, etc like she did, it would more likely equate a likelihood of murder-guilt.
But if I was on a jury with just the information we all have now,I could not find her guilty of murder.
And yes, equally, she could be guilty,because those lies and the way she acts and talks are really something else for sure. Jo, Tommy, Crystal etc etc. IMO
I can’t find it now Linda? shewwwww but i dunno,wbg is in Haleighs case!
CathyJo,
That was big mistake for someone to make it’s hard enough to follow these case’s without mistakes like that.
Jason,i haven’t got a clue!
makes a person wonder though! Sounds familiar tho,anthonys did it too!
brb phone
Homespain–Great post.
During the initial search after Haleigh was reported missing did they use Luminol in the trailer?
Annette said on NG “I went down there early that morning, and didn’t, you know they wouldn’t tell me anything”.
“Theresa and I went, and, over to that area, and walked around all afternoon in the woods over there, but of course we didn’t find anything”.
homespain said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 8:33 pm But if I was on a jury with just the information we all have now,I could not find her guilty of murder.
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Totally agree…YOUR POST IS MOST UNBIASED AND WITH INTELLIGENT FORETHOUGHT..I could NOT find misty guilty at this stage of the game either…but le is not finished with her..or anyone else..everything always comes back to misty because whether guilty or not..was in charge of the baby and has lied over and over..but there is no proof ….YET!
If nobody is ever charged with Haleighs demise..because i feel misty is nothing but a liar and cared nothing for the child post mortem, and only for a cover up to protect either herself or anyone else, that her drug charges and the colossal length of prison sentence she will be given..IS JUSTICE SERVED!
Her own family members have told her to stop lyin and give up the truth..but she won’t..YOU CAN’T MAKE HER TALK..
Here’s what I see her thinkin..
I’m up the freakin creek without a paddle..my drug charges have me doing life and more…my tellin the truth at this point will drop my drug charges down to next to nothin but I am still going to jail for murder or homicide/manslaughter and obstruction of justice..EITHER WAY I’M DONE..
Why would she go to jail for haleigh and take the rap as a baby killer when she can be a big wheelin drug dealer…which scenario do you think misty would prefer…BABY KILLER/DRUG DEALER. SHE WILL NEVER TALK IMO. SHE HAS NOTHING TO BARGAIN WITH..NOT EVEN THE LIFE AND DEATH AND MEMORY OF HALEIGH ANN MARIE..NOT EVEN TO PUT HER AT REST..SHE JUST DOESN’T CARE..
CathyJo,
I did’nt understand that about Anthony’s did that to ,here is the article that you posted about WBG .
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/23/haleigh-cummings-case-exclusive-misty-on-3-day-bender-with-lover-and-drugs/
CA -Do you have access to the lie detector questions available for viewing I can look at? Because, if we don’t know all the questions, the order they were asked, and see Misty’s responses on all the ltd’s it’s hard to make that judgment call in reference to my comment.
She is a liar, and she may have lied on the ldts, and voice analysis exam etc. but it’s possible to both pass and fail when telling the truth or lying. That is a scientifically accurate statement I just made.
I would be very interested to see her biometrics on and off drugs. Was she rested, exhausted, stressed. Also when we know, in some verifiable manner what she is stating is a truth. This could be used against other questions and ldts in order to increase the determination and significance of her lie/ truths stories.
I think there are lies, and lies mixed with the truth all along, and it would be helpful in determining what is more likely true, and where she gets real uncomfortable and starts having problems.
My feeling is that you feel that since she lies allot, every chance she gets, she is therefore guilty of murder or involved in her disappearance. I can understand that too.
Good point Jason-
Misty must have said it in the later convo, or it was completly fabricated as to how it went down
Yes Linda it is,Just like her Amber alert!
Homespain–Another great post. You are very articulate and I enjoy reading your posts.
I heard it is a rumor that Jr said a man in black…I beleive it was clarified that those were CS’s words. No one else heard him say anything.
Also, if you listen carefully to the Lyndsy and Tommy tapes, Lyndsy forms a statement about tommy being there all night crashing out with her to the TV, BUT she puts a question at the end of it. He doesn’t confirm it. She was trying to find out if that is the story they are going to collaborate on or not. His next sentence is about how he knows what he is doing when he is high.
I think she is busted in a lie by LE, as Tommy told them he was there. I think they are gonna let it go if she testifies on his whereabouts that night or how long he was gone. She is divorcing him.
Yes, I think Jr would of told if he was taken to Tommy’s. However, wasn’t TC and LC’s kids over playing that day in the yard with Haleigh and Jr.? (Im pretty sure that’s a fact). So, then Tommy admits to partying while there. Maybe he is so trashed he can’t watch his kids, so maybe Chelsea watches them till Lyndsy gets home? Maybe Tommy staggers home afterwards or right before Lyndsy gets there? Who knows for sure?
Ummm Hello?? Anyone know? During the initial search, or after declared a homicide, did they use Luminol in the trailer?
thanks Robin
whoever thinks the Sheffields did anything, well they didnt. Haleigh was killed. Ron will testify against Misty and Tommy. I wish the Sheffields had enough since to take Haleigh ~now look what happened – she is dead. Crystal met with Ron to discuss funeral arrangements. the cops cant say to Ron “prepare for a funeral” unless they know without a doubt she died.
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/17/rpt-ron-cummings-accepts-plea-deal-in-exchange-for-testimony/?iref=allsearch
Ron accepts 15 yr plea!
Beast,I never heard it if they did!
sorry,was surfing ino,didn;t know you’d asked a ?
Not so sure aboout that Kristie,She could have killed Chloe befoe she was even born? I don’t think the sheff’swoulda done any better than ron….jmo
I wonder if they did. Seems to me the thing to do especially after they declared the case a homicide.
Crystal was on drugs too,and she had custody of Chloe?
one would think so Beast!!
Misty called Flora after Tom did, and Flora said on NG that Misty told her “Tommy and Joe took Haleigh and wrapped a yellow rope around her and carried her to the dock and put – tied a brick around the bottom of the other end of the rope and throwed her into the river”.
ain’t that what she said before Jason?
Great post homespain-
I truly hope that putnum LE is analyzing her statements and LD tests like that. I also believe that in all the lies they have told their are threads of truth, they probably have told the truth of that night in the midst of all there conflicting stories
On NG, Chelsea said: “In the very beginning Misty told us that she didn`t know what happened and that she woke up and Haleigh was gone. She never gave us a story until I heard the story about Joe”.
So, Chelsea heard ‘the story about Joe’ from someone other than Misty, and then Misty gave Chelsea (and whomever Chelsea is referring to as ‘us’)’a story’.
Notice Chelsea says Misty gave A story, after Chelsea heard THE story.
There is NO proof of Haleigh being dead. The only fact we have is that she is ‘gone’. We don’t know how, when, where or by who! That is a fact that I know of. I interpret ‘make funeral arrangements’ as a premature statement by LE or as something saying they may never find her.
Haleigh could of been taken by the Sheffields or someone they hired. OR Haleigh could of been murdered by someone OR died of an accident.
By accident: Why dispose of her body…I really can’t see that happening, UNLESS a child predator is involved in which case they have the need to hide their crime.
By murder: I doubt this one too. Who would want to come in, take and and Murder Haleigh? UNLESS it was a child predator or someone with a serious enough motive to gain from killing her. Or someone crazed from Meth or experiencing a psychotic break.
By abduction: Most children abducted are by their Non-custodial parent. Motive: plenty.
(I know someone will ask why wasn’t Jr taken…because Misty woke up and spoiled the plan before they could get him out).
Which of those happened? That’s the mystery.
However, My opinion is:
Misty and Ron are innocent of harming Haleigh. Misty is guilty of child endangerment. The rest is unknown.
Homespain said: I would be very interested to see her biometrics on and off drugs. Was she rested, exhausted, stressed.
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all irrelevant in questioning..everybody is stressed under a lie detector..that’s why the above questions are strategically asked as to view the bodys’ response to a VERIFIED TRUTH..as opposed to a different reaction of the body when one is lying…NONE OF IT IS RELEVEANT..THE BODYS RESPONSE IS RELEVANT TO ONES’ ANSERS NO MATTER WHAT THEIR CHEMICAL COMPOSITION IS…
JenM said,in May 17th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jason, I interpret Chelsea’s statement for just the way it sounds: She never gave us a story until I heard the story about Joe.
Meaning that Misty only told one story. But then she told another story about Joe. That was a first.
Robin you are a great writer, enjoy reading your posts, just haven’t commented- I’m kinda hit or miss that way. Sorry.
Hi, beastie- I think we just don’t have access to that information yet. I do think though, if they had done it and found blood pooling or splatter, or areas recently cleaned by hydrogen peroxide or Clorox, it would probably have leaked out. And somebody would already have been in jail along time ago prior to any drug charges.
Jason good point
CA- thanks as well for your thoughts. It is most difficult to figure out the truth in all this. I concur that if she did kill Haleigh purposely that she do the time for that.
As far as the drugs, that is a separate issue. Let me be clear- I’m not for trafficking of drugs,the things drugs do to people, what people do to get them, and because of them.
But I think it is outrageous that she is looking at that high bond and spending her life in jail for that amount of drugs, and especially at her age.
I see so many people who have abused children, raped them, killed people and get out of jail in a short time. I get it is the law, and it is inequitable to the price she will pay. IMO.
So, Chelsea gives this order:
1. Misty told Chelsea she didn’t know what happened; that she woke up and Haleigh was gone.
2. Chelsea hears THE story about Joe.
3. Misty tells Chelsea (and at least one other person) A story.
THE story Chelsea heard doesn’t match A story Misty told, otherwise Chelsea wouldn’t have made the distinction?
JenM said,in May 17th, 2010 at 9:27 pm There is NO proof of Haleigh being dead. The only fact we have is that she is ‘gone’. We don’t know how, when, where or by who! That is a fact that I know of. I interpret ‘make funeral arrangements’ as a premature statement by LE or as something saying they may never find her.
Haleigh could of been taken by the Sheffields or someone they hired. OR Haleigh could of been murdered by someone OR died of an accident.
By accident: Why dispose of her body…I really can’t see that happening, UNLESS a child predator is involved in which case they have the need to hide their crime.
By murder: I doubt this one too. Who would want to come in, take and and Murder Haleigh? UNLESS it was a child predator or someone with a serious enough motive to gain from killing her. Or someone crazed from Meth or experiencing a psychotic break.
By abduction: Most children abducted are by their Non-custodial parent. Motive: plenty.
(I know someone will ask why wasn’t Jr taken…because Misty woke up and spoiled the plan before they could get him out).
Which of those happened? That’s the mystery.
However, My opinion is:
Misty and Ron are innocent of harming Haleigh. Misty is guilty of child endangerment. The rest is unknown.
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Well,imo if they did do it……….they could have had it planned to have Haleigh go “missing” then they’d be assured no doubt that they’d get Jr. and after ron went to prison,who knows one day the Sheffields might scream “omg somebody just dropped Haleigh off here”.or similar tactic thus getting both of em!
I wonder if it was tc or hank that gave the tip on the drug dealing??
hmmmmmmm
Beast–You would think they would do a Luminol test a long time ago to see if a homocide took place in the MH. When Ron moved into the tent for them to have access to the trailer, they might have did it then, though I have not heard one way or another. LE didn’t take the door for two weeks (if I recall correctly) after the abduction, so who knows what they may have or not did. I have always wondered that myself.
I don’t trust one of em’
The story and a story that Chelsea referred to are different stories.
Chelsea was angry at Flora for repeating what she was told by Tom and Misty in the back to back calls, but she couldn’t have been angry at Flora repeating the story about Haleigh taking a pill, because she told NG pills were left laying around in the MH!
right Jason,imo she lied tho….Chelsea didd i mean..no user leaves it laying around anywhere period!
could have been the sheffields who tipped the cops!
brb call daughter b4 she goes to bed,lol
CA -all irrelevant in questioning..everybody is stressed under a lie detector..that’s why the above questions are strategically asked as to view the bodys’ response to a VERIFIED TRUTH..as opposed to a different reaction of the body when one is lying…NONE OF IT IS RELEVEANT..THE BODYS RESPONSE IS RELEVANT TO ONES’ ANSERS NO MATTER WHAT THEIR CHEMICAL COMPOSITION IS
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Sorry – I disagree that it is all irrelevant to questioning. Yes the body reponds to a question that the individual mind thinks about- who knows what those thoughts are.
When I was in my 30’s I did take a lie detector test. I was very stressed out, heart pounding scared to death, “they” would not believe me. I failed the test. I even failed my own name, and other verifiable questions. A week later I was calmed down and still hit or miss the questions. I took it a third time and passed. I know while I took it that I felt guilty about things which didn’t make me guilty, but I “felt” like it. Later on the facts of the case demonstrated I was truthful.
Do you realize how many sociopaths pass their ldt? Allot. Because their emotions do not give them away.
Not trying to be rude or argumentative, but you speak in absolutes, as if what you are saying is the whole truth and scientific and accurate, and it just isn’t.
lDT are great aids, and they are tools to help discover what is true. They have an approximate 60% accuracy. Heck you can take sedatives, and propranonol and that can help you pass a test even if you are blatantly lying.
You know, she might have lied about everything, I just do not know all the facts. Frankly, you don’t either.
Jen m- good posts thanks- interesting
When I was in my 30’s I did take a lie detector test. I was very stressed out, heart pounding scared to death, “they” would not believe me. I failed the test. I even failed my own name, and other verifiable questions
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yOU COULD NOT FAIL YOUR OWN NAME..your bodies response to your name stressed or not would still be equal to an honest unverified answer..
JenM, would have been helpful of NG to ask Chelsea to elaborate on THE story she first heard (by person(s)other than Misty), and reveal the contents of A story that Misty later told her, when she RECANTED her first story about waking up and finding Haleigh gone.
Misty’s ‘story’ doesn’t match THE ‘story’ Chelsea heard from others while Misty was telling what she later admitted to Chelsea was a lie(that she was sleeping, and woke up to find Haleigh gone).
So, we know that after Chelsea heard THE story, Misty confessed to Chelsea that she didn’t wake up and find Haleigh missing, and proceeded to tell her A story.
Misty admitted to Chelsea that she LIED about waking up and finding Haleigh gone, and then told Chelsea ‘a story’ that doesn’t match ‘the story’ Chelsea heard from others.
Hey
CathyJo63
Look at Lindsay in this Myspace – she is going as Lindsy Collins
AND BOY would Tommy be mad if he saw her in this pic – her stats is (Somewhere New)
chakra-7 thanks for your comments, enjoy your posts as well
welcome to my nightmare cathy and texmom..
good post jenM
robin said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:27 pm Texasmommy_Something does not set right with me about the Sheffields. If LE even investigated them, they are sure keeping that tightlipped (except at the farm search), but the Croslin investigation they have made a media field day out of it. Every little tape and video have been nitpicked by every “so called expert” and been regurgitated all over the news.At the beginning my first thought was the Sheffields did this and then the drug arrests and latest search caused me to rethink that scenario. I thought for awhile maybe a stranger abduction, but like the Croslin scenario, I think a body or remains would be found. The only ones that had motive (although a motive does not need to be found it does help an investigation) and means to do this are the Sheffields/Griffis family. Frankly I do not think the Croslins/Cummings could pull this off for 15 months. I might play with other theories like Tommy being the culprit, I do believe the Sheffields theory is the one that makes most sense. I think LE has let them fly under the radar for far too long. JMO
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Sorry robin, I was not trying to ignor your post earlier was a little irritated and needed a break.
IMO I have to disagree with the Sheffield’s flying under PCSO radar.
I have to ask do you really think LE are keeping this close to the vest , since we have seen every tape and heard every audio and been told Misty is the key.
You are correct the obvious seems to be the first and the last place to look. JMO.
Chelsea says that after she heard THE story, Misty recanted her previous story about waking up and finding Haleigh missing, and proceeded to tell A story that didn’t match THE story Chelsea had heard from others . . .
JenM and homespain–Both great posts. Homespain what you have been stressing about LDTs are what I have been saying for weeks now, yet you said it so much more beautifully and articulately. Again thank you both so much for your wonderful posts. Both of you give me so much to think about. JMO
you reap what you sew OJ…you may get away with your crap with your “clique” but I don’t get off on your COPY PASTE B.S SAME VERSE SAME AS THE FIRST..
Jason, Beast Robin- Good point.That’s right about the door- and if I remember right, there was an issue because Ron’s garbage sat out front unexamined for a long period as well. Well even if there was dna or prints on the door, the chain of evidence was gone. Anyone can say that the police did not control the door, garbage, etc in the aftermath of a crime.
C~A, will you quit screaming at people?
It’s simple. Misty would not be lying about her name, address.. blah blah personal stuff LE knows answers too. They measure that. Stress, drugs and all. Then ask her other stuff pertaining to case.If the results are suspicious it is because the results suggested that. You can’t fail your own name because you, and th4 tester, know what it is. I dont believe you.
jason…if you wouldn;t just jump in with your rudeness..READ UP ON THE PREVIOUS POSTS..I’m not yelling at anyone…old news..why do you bother..
OJ’s glove said,in May 17th, 2010 at 9:58 pm welcome to my nightmare cathy and texmom..
good post jenM
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I witness it daily. I enjoy your posts!
I should not of said a word though. 🙁
Jason. Not everyone thinks using caps is screaming.
jason fyi…about 2hrs ago..the caps were addressed..do your homework before mouthing off please.
Ewww – Out of respect for Jan, I’ll skip over yours.
oops heres the link
http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin
Hey
CathyJo63
Look at Lindsay in this Myspace – she is going as Lindsy Collins
AND BOY would Tommy be mad if he saw her in this pic – her stats is (Somewhere New)
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:05 pm you reap what you sew OJ…you may get away with your crap with your “clique” but I don’t get off on your COPY PASTE B.S SAME VERSE SAME AS THE FIRST..
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It does not take a “clique” to see what your showing your self to be. I guess I am going to sit on the side lines tonight. I am not trying to give Jan cause to Ban Me.
texas..post your basis for your accusations or butt out..this has already been addressed by Jan in the meantime..I have asked you to butt out or prove why you say what you do..You CANT’. MOVE ALONG..you go away after jans post and you come back stirring up crap…GET OVER YOURSELF
texas..good idea..
theres’ a difference between getting yourself banned and responding to attacks..not the same thing.
texas I dont know what your problem is. Yes OJ has copied and pasted the exact same p[osts over and over .. (I) caught him doing it too and called him on it. If hes honest he will admit it to you. NO we do no appreciate the same stuff copied and pasted again and again. Would you? SO move on you here to fight or discuss the case. Remember HaLeigh?
the Sheffields did not take her. They have an ex fbi agent that has solved the case. If Haleigh was alive we would know it.
texas..I am being who I am..and that includes demanding you prove why you attack me..if you can’t..and you can’t..DON’T ADDRESS ME…I NEVER ADDRESSED YOU..YOU COME OUT SAYING ALL KINDS OF STUFF ABOUT ME…NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND..ONUS IS ON YOU..
oh and the caps is emphasis, not yelling. We could do bolding and italics but that is too much work 🙂
KRISTIE…I hope this guys findings are only being with held to make sure they have the actual evidence to prove the case..on the other hand if he has CRACKED the case..WHY HAS THERE BEEN NO BODY CHARGED?
We are not LE trained and i rely on that faith that they know what they are doing if in fact he gave le the information they needed! AT this point..I keep the faith justice for haleigh will be served.
Kristie,OMG…….She checked in today but omg,well that money may have went for a boob job.rofl jez
Ca- Well you telling me that when I failed my ldt where I even “failed” my own name isn’t possible, is just argumentative and uncalled for. You are calling me a liar essentially.
I have observed previously and in this case how you default and argue your points. You claim to be factual, claim to not be argumentative in an inappropriate way or personal.
In fact you are inappropriate and you do get personal. And I’m not going to go there. I will not be discussing this or anything else with you further today. You just do not seem to exhibit the judgment to know when to stop, when enough is enough.
I hope you have a great night, I really do. I hope you ‘ll think about what I’m saying to you, about your absolute way of viewing “your facts”.
Thanks for hearing me out. Mer
Hi C~A
well the last thing I heard from Steve Brown was that he cracked the case and that the police was mounding up the case before they file charges. they always do try to get everything they can before they arrest. did you see his interview? He said the person responsible will be charged and that Misty would get charged he believes for child endargerment.
HAHAAAAAAA Cathy
yep 🙂
and guess what she has another myspace too.
what does cc&p have to do with anything,His msg IS always the same but because its his own opinion,so maybe he figures why keep typing it over and over…..still the same opinion!
Misty is Innocent!
for months we have avoided arguments……now why all of a sudden.hmmm
Tommy would flip!!!! Oh dear Lord!!
Homespain. Common sense rules. It is impossible to “fail” your name. There is no pass fail for individual questions. Since you know your name and presumably used your real name in answer to the question, that measurement will be used as a base “truthful” reading. So other questions that show a greater level of stress might be deemed “untruthful” see what we’re getting at?
homespain…did le actually tell you you FAILED YOUR OWN NAME..that’s not logically or professionally in the realm of possiblilty IMO. I feel it might be your interpretation..but it’s just MHO..I have not and will not call you a liar..but if your read my post it would go against what is logical.
What yo say does not jive with what i believe to be about lie detectors.. Do I know you enough to believe you are 100% correct in what your poly really read..NO..DO I SAY YOU LIE..NO..DO I HAVE MY OWN OPINION ON THE BODYS RESPONSE TO BASIC QUESTIONS AND THE HIGHER LEVELS OF REACTION TO UNVERIFIED QUESTIONS AS THEY RELATE TO THE TRUTH..YES..MY OPINION IS MISTY IS LYING NO MATTER WHAT..SHE IS NO DIFF THEN ANYONE ELSE WHO TAKES A TEST. ALL HAVE SAME UNDERLYING GUIDELINES IMO ON THE RESPONSE TO A TRUTHFULL ANSWER AS OPPOSED TO UNTRUTHFULL..
I am an opinion based blogger..working with my knowledge of the facts..NEVER CLAIMED ONCE TO BE RIGHT…AN OPINION IS JUST THAT.
I HAVE never gotten personal as to mentioning ones family or called names…I have my own logic and have a right to post it.
if you recall I agreed with the first post i ever had contact with you on..you on the other hand GO OFF when i have a diff. opinion.
I don’t have to think long about what you are saying..I have done nothing wrong and have accused nobody of anything..
Why does my opinion mean I’m wrong cause you don’t agree with me??
Ronfan,
I think joe came down from tenn to bring drugs and collect money from ron.
After not getting money from ron, joe thinks i will just take his prize gun because my ride is leaving and i need something of value!
So he goes over there and gets into it with misty over the money, tommy could have told him about the gun because him and ron had already talked about the gun.
Tommy does not like ron and knows he did not pay joe for the drugs!
So he goes over with him to take the gun only thing joe pulls a gun when they can not find the prize gun because ron already thought they might come after it.
The only thing ron did not count on was that this guy is a real nut case and would kill his little girl over it!
Everything in this case is over drugs and money and people doing drugs! Why would joe come down from tenn and go back the next day? To bring drugs, if ron did not have the money to pay him then he pulled gun on misty and tommy and took Haleigh in another room went off the deep end and killed her!
I know this might sound bad, but if you pick up a snake it is going to bite!
JOE IS THE SNAKE!!!!
Beast said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:06 pm It’s simple. Misty would not be lying about her name, address.. blah blah personal stuff LE knows answers too. They measure that. Stress, drugs and all. Then ask her other stuff pertaining to case.If the results are suspicious it is because the results suggested that. You can’t fail your own name because you, and th4 tester, know what it is. I dont believe you.
I dont believe you.? means I think you’re a liar!
Are you 2 husband and wife?
have ya all not ever had an opinionated blogger besides OJ before? This is totally draining and NOT HELPING FIND HALEIGH..PLEASE STOP THE B.S
I have found myself “unwanted” with my opinions cause there perhaps not popular among the “cheese” here..I have a fridge full of cheese and don’t intend on trying to be popular..but i do demand to have the attacks stop..even after jans post I’m still dealing with this crap.
Heres Crytals (Haleighs mommys myspace)
http://www.myspace.com/crystalsheffield
Cathy..Yes…and as to the other question, did you read my last post?
No CA,All you’ve done is be argumentative!
We apologized…..or tried but you have sommin to say everytime you don’t agree with someone and its bullcrap!
and for a hubby and a wife to come in with the same nasty attidtudes on a person ain’t right!
And i’ll have that opinion till the day i die………and theres nothing wrong with OJ using cc&paste,so i am pointing out if you cant find an argument,you seem to create one!!!!!
Whatever.
if you feel unwanted,then its in your head cuz OJ really wasn’t wanted at one time i assume but he still stuck it out and now hes nice no matter what so don’t make excuses!
no offense OJ….just being honest as i saw it!
I didn’t even like ya then! lol
Linda. Ok I agree drugs has “something” to do with this somehow. But where, and how, does HaLeigh get involved?
whatever? see?
Cathy.. in my sweetest voice please find one post of ine you have an issue with.
Beast said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
It’s simple. Misty would not be lying about her name, address.. blah blah personal stuff LE knows answers too. They measure that. Stress, drugs and all. Then ask her other stuff pertaining to case.If the results are suspicious it is because the results suggested that. You can’t fail your own name because you, and th4 tester, know what it is. I dont believe you
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Beast- That’s our perogative if you do not believe me. Failing your name signifys deception.- That is failing the question. It’s really pretty simple- I’ll tell you what happened and please, if you all don’t believe me fine- just keep it to your selves.
I went by my maiden name always. Even though I was married. The examiner used my legal name, and I denied that name.I was confronted about that.
It is factually possible to fail the question about your name. I was there, I know what happened. I know the truth.
I sure wish I used a different example to make my point. The point is valid never the less. People pass and fail exams or show deception or don’t show deception, and it doesn’t necessarily speak to the truth.
My point remains this: I think if you use the data that can be extrapolated from Misty’s ldts, and cross check them I think useful information can be gleaned. A common theory of many commentators is that there are truths in all the different players lies.
One commenter wrote that no matter which way Misty turns she’s looking at her life in jail. If she has anything to do with the disappearance or death of Haleigh, it makes more sense to maybe get some years behind you in jail, behave properly and hopefully get out early. vs life in prison for murder.
cathyj – WHAT IS YOUR PROB. EVERYTHING WAS FINE AFTER “your'” MIS INTERPREATION ON OJ…WHAT’S GOING WITH YOUR ON AGAIN OFF AGAIN..SORRY/ACCUSOR.
YOUR NOT EVEN INVOLVED THOUGHT YOU AND i WERE GOOD! I HAVE NOT ARGUED..DOES DIFF IN OPINON MEAN ARGUE IN YOUR MIND??????
THIS IS A BLOG..WERE NOT ALL GOING TO AGREE..IT’S NOT A DIFFICULT CONCEPT..THIS ROOM IS OUT OF CONTROLL..YOU GUYS FEEL YOUR OPINION IS THE ONLY ONE VALID…IF THE POST IS NOT NICEY NICE…YOU ATTACK…CAN YOU ALL JUST GROW UP..??? I NOW IT’S ALOT TO ASK BUT YOU ARE HERE FOR HALEIGH ..NOT TO HAVE EVERYONE REPEAT YOUR POSTS AS GOSPEL..
YOU CATHYJ…APOLOGIZE AND AFTER POSTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU …YOU TURN LIKE A RABID DOG..I CAN’T FIGURE YOU CREW OUT..
ALL I KNOW IS YOU ALL ARE ( YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE) ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH YOUR OWN PERSONAL FRIENDSHIP/AGENDA/ORNARY ATTITUDES THEN TO CARE TO BE LOGICAL FRIENDLY AND ACCEPTING.
YOU DON’T OWN OR RUN THE BLOG WHY DO YOU THINK YOU CAN BULLY PEOPLE OUT OF HERE..THAT’S NOT THE RULES IN THIS ROOOM..I HAVE TRIED CONSISTENTLY AFTER ANY ATTACK TO MOVE ON WITH CONVERSATION ON THE ARTICLE/STORY ONLY TO BE KICKED AROUND BY THE NEXT SELF APPOINTED BIG CHEESE…YOU ALL NEED TO RE FOCUS ON THE REASON YORU HERE..
Oh, now you mention the different names. Maiden name, the name you use, you denying names. None of that was mentioned before. So umm, I hope you can understand why I said what I said then.
Beast said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:06 pm It’s simple. Misty would not be lying about her name, address.. blah blah personal stuff LE knows answers too. They measure that. Stress, drugs and all. Then ask her other stuff pertaining to case.If the results are suspicious it is because the results suggested that. You can’t fail your own name because you, and th4 tester, know what it is. I dont believe you.
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I dont believe you.? means I think you’re a liar!
Are you 2 husband and wife?
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CA said she never called her a liar,but you did…..isn’t that what I DON’T BELIEVE YOU MEANS?
Why i asked if you were h/w!
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:56 pm cathyj – WHAT IS YOUR PROB. EVERYTHING WAS FINE AFTER “your’” MIS INTERPREATION ON OJ…WHAT’S GOING WITH YOUR ON AGAIN OFF
see,you’re a nasty person!!!!!!!!!
My problem is rude people,we havent had a feud in here in forever and now look……i rest my case and if i do get bannned,I still know i am right!
You are nasty!!
Cathy I answered you, chuckles man you need to relax
Beast said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Cathy..Yes…and as to the other question, did you read my last post?
you have all managed to ruin the night and waste time not spent on haleigh but rather fighting and bullying..NOT COOL…YOU ARE NOT A BNN FAMILY..you all only want bnn as a friendship sight where nobody else is welcome..
using little haleigh as an excuse to posess a public board..SHAME ON YOU ALL..GOOD NIGHT TO ALL WHO ARE ACTUALLY HERE FOR HALEIGH..
then respect Oj’s and Homespains opinions too!!! you keep attacking them!
Cathy (self appointed moderator I guess) just because we disagree and stress our point does not mean there is any disrespect involved. Try and understand that
whatever!! Talk to the finger,the face aint listening!
Guess she took her toys and went home!
Cathyjo- how do I locate Lyndsey’s my space please? tx mer
Like I said before, whatever.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 11:02 pm you have all managed to ruin the night and waste time not spent on haleigh but rather fighting and bullying..NOT COOL…YOU ARE NOT A BNN FAMILY..you all only want bnn as a friendship sight where nobody else is welcome..
using little haleigh as an excuse to posess a public board..SHAME ON YOU ALL..GOOD NIGHT TO ALL WHO ARE ACTUALLY HERE FOR HALEIGH..
Grow up!!!!
JenM- Yur right. There is no evidence that we know of of Haleigh’s death.
I dont get any drug related “abduction or ransom” angle, I dont think so. The stranger SO could still be an answer, but why is Misty lying so much?
http://www.myspace.com/lindsy_croslin
here Homespain!
JAN HAS THE UNFORTUNATE TASK AT SEEDING OUT THE INSTIGATORS..I’M SURE SHE HAS BETTER THINGS TO DO..SO SAD..THE MENTALITY/SELF SERVING AGENDAS AT THE EXPENSE OF A MURDERED CHILD..
Jan I am not sorry for standing up for myself..but am sorry for the situation certain bloggers have put you in….I am sorry for that. We are being called out on anything we say..never been direspective..so sadd..
did it post HomeSpain?
cathy jo…i said that long time ago..i have said nothing immature..your not one to say that to either..your little on line affair with a married man ( and i have held my tongue)has no place IN A MISSINGMURDERED CHILDS’ BLOG…let alone your knee jerk reactions to posts you are not involved in..nor understand..
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! Thats how well you know me,haha
please don’t hold your tongue? tell it!
Youre ignorant!
because we talk to one another,roflmao!
affair with a married man,lol I dunno if OJ’s 80 or 2 yrs old! Idiot!
but i will tell you this,ole girl…you just went the wrong way….How dare you even insinuate that,you don’t know me from Adam!
I am really beginning to think Joe had little to nil to do with this.
Although LE has yet to officially solve this mystery, they could’ve found something to arrest Joe on in a matter of days or even hours so that he could be marinating like the rest of them.
If Joe were going to be arrested it would’ve already happened.
texas Mommy- You learned your lesson, so be happy with your self. Not a big deal. So often you really go out of your way to be helpful and kind. I’ve enjoyed your posts about the topics we’ve all been looking at. It’s a wild ride for sure.
I am nice to everyone when they allow it,I suppose treece and i,Hollys,are lovers too,lol cuz we are here at night,but i owe you no explanation!
Please stop. None of this is necessary, especially the name calling and accusations.
BTW, I have my opinions of who was starting stuff, but I think I will keep it to myself, unless Jan writes me and asks my opinion.
Lynny,i don’t think Jo did it!
i am always willing to stop but i do not appreciate being accused of having an affair……….thats evil to accuse someone of!
not to mention how that stupid comment could hurt OJ’s wife…..because some nut created it!
Sorry Jen,honestly i am but she took that one way too far!
Beast- I guess the difference between me and you would have been that I would have probably asked you some questions first before I said I didn’t believe you, but I can live with it, not such a big deal either way.
I think it helps to be kind verses rough with people. I have been guilty of doing that before too. I’ve also seen people gang up on people inappropriately here as well. But honest responses verses overly aggressive ones is the best way to go. I’m glad you are basically civil.
Jan I apoligize for my decision to prove a point.C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:22 pm texas..post my mean post if you dare!!!! We are not in kindergarten lady..go back on the carpet if you can’t play nice. Well CA,here ya go>>>>>>
###############This is my first response to CA and CathyJo’s discussion of OJ opinion.
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:52 pm Oj is always mistreated because of his opinion anyways. CA does not like him and her posts show it as well as a few others.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:54 pm CATHYJ – THIS IS MEAN..BUT YOU SAID NOTHING WHICH MY BASIS FOR ASKING YOU TO STOP BEING BIASED AND FOCUS ON WHAT IS BEING SAID AND NOT WHAT YOU DECIDE TO INTERPRET…
OJ’s glove said,
in May 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am
c-a..our laws are not like your french laws..maybe you shpuld concentrate on all those feet in your neck of the woods.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:21 pm cathy AGAIN..NOT TRUE..TEXAS BUTTED HER NOSE IN WITHOUT BASIS..I RESPONDED..NOT AN ATTACK GIRL
YOU POSTED A RESPONSE TO MINE…WHICH WAS ALSO UNFOUNDED..I DON’T RECALL SAYING ANYTHING TO ANYONE ELSE…SO PLEASE….END IT!!!
yOU HAVE TO REALIZE, I DON’T ACCEPT BEING WALKED ALL OVER OR BEING ATTACKED …I JUST DON’T ACCEPT IT. THAT IS MY RIGHT. I AM RESPECTFUL AND I STAY FOCUSSED TO THE CASE..I DON’T THINK I HAVE BROKEN ANY RULES MORALLY OR OTHERWISE..
PLEASE AGAIN..IF YOU CAN’T BE UNBIASED AND STICK TO THE CASE..DON’T READ MY POSTS OR RESPOND THAT GOES FOR TEXAS AS WELL.
SEEM THE TWO OF YOU ARE TALKING FOR OJ…AND YORU THE ONES WITH THE PROBLEM WITH ME ..SHOULD REALLY LET THE ONES DISCUSSING DISCUSS IT BETWEEN IF THERE IS A CONFLICT OF OPINION. YOU GUYS HAVE ONLY MUDDIED UP THE ROOM..
I don’t pull any punches..but I won’t take em..why should I?
Now can we please just leave it alone…you both have said things that aren’t true..i just don’t appreciate it..
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:58 pm I think a constant baseless regurgitation of misty is innocent is not only irritating but has no foundation…we all get it..i have nothing against oj..i just think he needs to stop his personal attacks as well as some of you in here on those of us who would like to discuss FACT..and opinions based on fact.
It is obvious he has a dislike for me personally or he wouldn’t bring up my kids..WHY IS THAT Ok? i SIMPLY give my opinion on the case and don’t attack personally…WHAT GIVES HERE IN THIS ROOM ????
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:00 pm C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 6:58 pm I think a constant baseless regurgitation of misty is innocent is not only irritating but has no foundation…
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I do not see any difference in your regurgitation of rumors and lies
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:03 pm Oj gets hammered every day and practically after every post.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:09 pm TEXAS..THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU…I WONDER WHY HE GETS HAMMEREED..WHAT DOES HE HAVE FREE REIGN TO SAY WHAT HE WANTS AND HIM ALONE????
YA WANNA TELL ME WHAT RUMOURS I STARTED OR LIES I SIMPLY DISCUSS THE CASE..YOUR NOT BETTER “MOMMY”
YOU HAVE NO BASIS FOR YOUR ATTACK ON ME EITHER ..
IMO YOU JUST REGURGITATED YOUR OWN IGNORANCE IN WHAT IT IS YOU “THINK” YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT …
NEWS FLASH…YOUR BUTTING IN WITH BASLESS RETORIC JUST SHOWS YOU CARE ONLY FOR YOUR LITTLE CLIQUE..NOT HALEIGH..
WHY DON’T YOU ALL JUST LAY OFF ME..THIS IS RIDICULOUS..I HAVE MY OPINIONS AND SO DOES OJ..MIND YOUR OWN BUSNINESS YOUR PART OF THE PROBLEM..
ATTACK ATTACK FOR NO REASON..BACK YOUR MOUTH UP MOMMY IN TEXAS..OR BACK OFF
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:16 pm LMAO
I agree, you are mean.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:21 pm cathy AGAIN..NOT TRUE..TEXAS BUTTED HER NOSE IN WITHOUT BASIS..I RESPONDED..NOT AN ATTACK GIRL
YOU POSTED A RESPONSE TO MINE…WHICH WAS ALSO UNFOUNDED..I DON’T RECALL SAYING ANYTHING TO ANYONE ELSE…SO PLEASE….END IT!!!
yOU HAVE TO REALIZE, I DON’T ACCEPT BEING WALKED ALL OVER OR BEING ATTACKED …I JUST DON’T ACCEPT IT. THAT IS MY RIGHT. I AM RESPECTFUL AND I STAY FOCUSSED TO THE CASE..I DON’T THINK I HAVE BROKEN ANY RULES MORALLY OR OTHERWISE..
PLEASE AGAIN..IF YOU CAN’T BE UNBIASED AND STICK TO THE CASE..DON’T READ MY POSTS OR RESPOND THAT GOES FOR TEXAS AS WELL.
SEEM THE TWO OF YOU ARE TALKING FOR OJ…AND YORU THE ONES WITH THE PROBLEM WITH ME ..SHOULD REALLY LET THE ONES DISCUSSING DISCUSS IT BETWEEN IF THERE IS A CONFLICT OF OPINION. YOU GUYS HAVE ONLY MUDDIED UP THE ROOM..
I don’t pull any punches..but I won’t take em..why should I?
Now can we please just leave it alone…you both have said things that aren’t true..i just don’t appreciate it..
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:22 pm texas..post my mean post if you dare!!!! We are not in kindergarten lady..go back on the carpet if you can’t play nice.
********************Jan Barrett said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:27 pm **********************
I am going to say this to those involved… if this subject is not dropped we are going to have to start banning people that continue with it. And please consider this a warning. I don’t want it to come back on me that I was unfair to anyone.
If it didn’t concern you to begin with please stay out of it. It is hard to find out who started what when everyone jumps in.
I think we are all a little too sensitive these days. And I advise you all to remember that everyone has their own opinion whether we like it or not. This is not a battle ground for those that want to argue. It is a place to discuss this case.
Jan Barrett
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:28 pm You are mean and I do not need to go any where. Maybe you need a break. As far as not responding to you I usually do not and will not in the future.
You have your opinions of a lot of posters obviously and only chat with a few anyways.
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:33 pm I just read your post Jan.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:34 pm cathy I said..i accepted our apology..don’t you read my posts?
texas..I didn’t think you could post one thing that back you up…I don’t have an opinion on “a lot” of posters..I discuss what is brought up by many..I am only trying to be involved and voice an opinion..dont’ advise me..your posts are evident you need the break..BUTTIN YOUR NOSE IN. I have never said a mean thing on this blog nor have i ever really conversed with you. So please have respect if you can’t butt out..
NOW …
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:47 pm I guess Jan was only talking to me when she said drop it?
OJ’s glove said,in May 17th, 2010 at 9:58 pm welcome to my nightmare cathy and texmom..
good post jenM
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 9:58 pm robin said,in May 17th, 2010 at 7:27 pm Texasmommy_Something does not set right with me about the Sheffields. If LE even investigated them, they are sure keeping that tightlipped (except at the farm search), but the Croslin investigation they have made a media field day out of it. Every little tape and video have been nitpicked by every “so called expert” and been regurgitated all over the news.At the beginning my first thought was the Sheffields did this and then the drug arrests and latest search caused me to rethink that scenario. I thought for awhile maybe a stranger abduction, but like the Croslin scenario, I think a body or remains would be found. The only ones that had motive (although a motive does not need to be found it does help an investigation) and means to do this are the Sheffields/Griffis family. Frankly I do not think the Croslins/Cummings could pull this off for 15 months. I might play with other theories like Tommy being the culprit, I do believe the Sheffields theory is the one that makes most sense. I think LE has let them fly under the radar for far too long. JMO
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Sorry robin, I was not trying to ignor your post earlier was a little irritated and needed a break.
IMO I have to disagree with the Sheffield’s flying under PCSO radar.
I have to ask do you really think LE are keeping this close to the vest , since we have seen every tape and heard every audio and been told Misty is the key.
You are correct the obvious seems to be the first and the last place to look. JMO
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:05 pm you reap what you sew OJ…you may get away with your crap with your “clique” but I don’t get off on your COPY PASTE B.S SAME VERSE SAME AS THE FIRST..
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:07 pm OJ’s glove said,in May 17th, 2010 at 9:58 pm welcome to my nightmare cathy and texmom..
good post jenM
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I witness it daily. I enjoy your posts!
I should not of said a word though.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:07 pm jason…if you wouldn;t just jump in with your rudeness..READ UP ON THE PREVIOUS POSTS..I’m not yelling at anyone…old news..why do you bother
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:09 pm jason fyi…about 2hrs ago..the caps were addressed..do your homework before mouthing off please.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:11 pm texas..post your basis for your accusations or butt out..this has already been addressed by Jan in the meantime..I have asked you to butt out or prove why you say what you do..You CANT’. MOVE ALONG..you go away after jans post and you come back stirring up crap…GET OVER YOURSELF
texasmommy39 said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:11 pm C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:05 pm you reap what you sew OJ…you may get away with your crap with your “clique” but I don’t get off on your COPY PASTE B.S SAME VERSE SAME AS THE FIRST..
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It does not take a “clique” to see what your showing your self to be. I guess I am going to sit on the side lines tonight. I am not trying to give Jan cause to Ban Me.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:12 pm texas..good idea
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:14 pm theres’ a difference between getting yourself banned and responding to attacks..not the same thing.
C~A said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:16 pm texas..I am being who I am..and that includes demanding you prove why you attack me..if you can’t..and you can’t..DON’T ADDRESS ME…I NEVER ADDRESSED YOU..YOU COME OUT SAYING ALL KINDS OF STUFF ABOUT ME…NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND..ONUS IS ON YOU..
********************Wow just give you few hours and I did not have to prove my point, you did. Night yall.
Beast said,in May 17th, 2010 at 10:15 pm texas I dont know what your problem is. Yes OJ has copied and pasted the exact same p[osts over and over .. (I) caught him doing it too and called him on it. If hes honest he will admit it to you. NO we do no appreciate the same stuff copied and pasted again and again. Would you? SO move on you here to fight or discuss the case. Remember HaLeigh?
*******************************ROFLMAO Go read somewhere else if you do not like it.
Me,Jason,Tobias,OJ have all been at one anothers throats when we met,now i lovem all and its cruel to accuse someone of things because we can all laff and cut up about it now and thats what we do,and yea here on the blog,theres not one of us here who ever forgets why we are here or how we met..because of Haleigh and then someone gets an attitude and thinks its bad b/c we are friends!
texas, and you are free to do the same. 🙂
hey have yall seen the letter Misty wrote?
Cathy hav u seen it?
here it is…
http://marinadedave.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/misty-croslin-letter.jpg
Lynny,I am sure if they wanted Jo,they’d have gotten him by now!
Maybe everyone could think outside the box for a moment….
Suppose Haleigh was abducted (not by a stranger), but they were all so messed up, that “none of them know” what happened that night! Slowly but surely, none of them want to be blamed, so they start pointing fingers at each other. People start checking their stories and find out all kinds of things about them (drugs, guns, prostitutes, felonies, etc). Then the media starts dramatizing everything and spinning it out of control. They have them and us believing that one of them had to be the culprit. They all know it wasn’t them, so they blame whoever they can so as to not get accused.
Heck, we now have stories conjugated up about Haleigh being given drugs, Haliegh being sexually moleste, Haleigh being hit in the head, Haleigh being fed to the alligators, etc., etc.
This thing is so spun out of control! We even believe that because a private detective is working with someone that makes them innocent. I guess that could be said about a lawyer too, right? If they say their client is innocent, does that make it true?
Almost everyone has been caught in a lie or a pure fabrication or stretching of the truth, right up to NG herself. There has been collaborating of stories without a purpose to do so, people moving out of town, drug stings, arrests, jailhouse letters and tapes.
But, NONE of this has led us to Haleigh or where she is. It only complicates things it seems. So maybe all these people we ‘assume’ are guilty, have not even been named persons of interest, much less suspects! There is too much hearsay, twists and misconstruing on everyone’s part to figure the facts out.
I think it would be interesting if everyone would go back to the beginning and take a different angle/look at things. I would like to hear some different theories of what could of happened. I think you have to almost put yourself in the situation and think about the psychological aspects of some of it. The reason I say that is, most people act off of emotions (when a crime is committed). They do not think with their head, because if they did, they may not be a crime. I also think it is possilbe that people commit crimes (not due to a mental disorder) but due to the judgment and thoughts that they have with that disorder (i.e sociopaths, mania, and drug induced psychosis).
Anyway, those are my thoughts.
Forgot to mention Pedophiles in the above post.
They do not think with their head, because if they did, they may not be a crime. I also think it is possilbe that people commit crimes (not due to a mental disorder) but due to the judgment and thoughts that they have with that disorder (i.e sociopaths, mania, and drug induced psychosis).
Anyway, those are my thoughts.
Good Post Jen!
and you’re right,the crime wouldn’t happen if they used their head…jmo
I mean no disrespect to Jan and Simon who so graciously gives us the space to blog about this beautiful missing child, but I believe these attacks need to stop. I am not a moderator by any means but I have been sitting back reading these posts–which are totally senseless. Jan has sent a warning once, and Simon has threatened to take away the blog altogether. Do I want to lose this blog which I have come to enjoy so much (and because of the differing opinions and theories) because a few go on the defensive and attack someone’s opinion? I say a resounding Hell No! I don’t care if they copy,paste, and post the same opnion every day–It is their opinion and their right to say it. If you don’t like it, skip it and go to the next. By no means am I in a clique, or “cheese”, but I do know basic common courtesy in respecting everyone’s opinion, whether I agree or not! I think this is what this blog was intended for–not the attack forum its become lately. I can honestly say I am here for Haleigh and she is my primary focus. I hope and pray the rest of you can say the same! JMO
Linda – That is an interesting idea relating to Ron and Joe, drugs etc. My understanding is that the police verified that Jo was returning back to Tenn. on the day he was supposed to have left. He was given a ride to Florida and back to Tenn. as originally planned.
He was very angry as he had been accused of stealing a gun and was humiliated by Ron in front of the family. especially if he didn’t do it. That may have been what really provoked him -if- he did something to Haleigh.
I’ve heard rumors that he has serious mental health issues. Somebody even mentioned schizophrenia. I do not know if that is accurate. I know that he underwent allot of questioning by LE and FBI. I am presuming he passed a LDT. Anyone who? I think if they wanted to put him in jail they could have by now under some parole infraction.
also Jem,I’m not a professional..by a far stretch,lol
but if you have a problem to begin with…..and you self medicate,things can go horribly wrong!
I posted an article last night about why family’s murder even and it said that one may not have the intention but certain drugs will cause them to lose it and actually murder?
because before it happens…a person is seen as kind and gentle,but mixed with drugs is capable!
I have been here for HaLeigh and that is why I will be here tomorrow and the next day and as long as it takes until HaLeigh is found.
I was entertaining the idea, that Misty went out partying and since she couldn’t get Ron’s mom to keep the kids, she let Joe and came home to a nightmare.
It would make Misty a shmuck but not a murderer, and I could almost see her hiding the real facts from Ron because, well because he was her ticket out and that would make her a…. shmuck.
Whadda ya think?
It bothered me, when I heard Misty and Ron’s sleeping away the morning before Haleigh went missing.
Who watched Junior while they slept til noon?
There is no way, that little boy is put to bed at night, goes with them to take Haleigh to school and then goes back to sleep with them til noon.
It’s not gonna happen.
Bad, bad parenting Ron.
cathyjo- 1108 Did it post?
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did what post?
I agree homespain – LE would have easily had Jo in jail if they wanted to
what do you think of the depositions in Misty’s case to be given 5/19 normal procedure or something incriminating??
lindseys link,myspace?
CathJo-
Lindsys myspace -I don’t think it posted , would love to see it to
CathyJo My God now you are being accused of having an affair- wow..! Please don’t take this wrong Cathy- ignore it- nothing good will come of it. If you can have a civil debate with some and they digress to childhood and throw tantrums -just give them a time out. This is your own time don’t give it away to anyone you don’t want to. chin up
did it post now?
Random thoughts, I think that is very possible. I have thought all along that (if thinking Haleigh was harmed) that Misty might of left someone else in charge of the kids while she went to help Tommy find his pills he wanted so bad that night. Remember on the tape he said that without them, he couldn’t function to go to work the next day, and he was out.
I am fine now,lol I don’t take take kindly to games Homespain,especially when it can hurt others!
For someone to just blurt something like that off their tongue when they know they made it up tells me alot aabout a person,ya know?
so tonight when OJ comes on,if he does…I’ll offer him a smoke and ask if it was as good for him……rofl!
right Jen ,he did!
http://www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin
myspace.com/lindsy_croslin
sorry,last one was chelseas.lol
Jen, I was under the impression that Tommy had been to the Doctor, on the day, that he had been fishing with his son, when Joe allegedly made the comments about the place being like Lake Placid.
So depending on what day this occurred during Joe’s visit – and depending on how fast he goes through a script (Misty said they were trashed)they may have had their dope to get high and why they were all puffed up to steal a gun in the first place.
did the link show.lol
I am sorry CathyJo. I should of never siad a word, but, I get tired of everyone being mean to OJ.
JenM very good post- You your ideas are a possibility. Actually I’ve visited that scenario before as well. It’s a mystery.
CathyJo Or maybe the crime happened because they did use their heads. Yikes!
I do too,don’t be sorry,I mean she apologized,then still attacked others and i get tired of it too,how longs it been since we had a feud? awhile nowww and yesterday,and day before she did that too,so yea……she does have a nasty attitude and nobody deserves it and for her to say what she did about OJ could hurt somebody,It hurt me and i know its not true so i can imagine if OJ’s wife was near…think before ya just hurt ppl.she made it up to be mean and she knows it!
Thats the kind of people you shy away from…..jmo….
lol Homespain yea! olordy!
okay, chelsea’s tattooed foot, creeps me out.
you didn’t do nothing wrong,just stood up for yourself,don’t be sorry! not to me,lol
me too Random.me toooooo!
wthello gets a non relatives name tattoo’ed on them?
didn’t someone say a person not in Tennessee or was it not in Fl? may be arrested?
I know.
thats going a bit far in my opinion Random!
Random thoughts- that’s an interesting take on it and plausible too.
Night y’all. I guese I will see who is banned tomorrow. 🙁
seriously tho,I cant imagine a tattoo for life for someone not related at all,Misty hadn’t been with Ronald long?? so that makes no sense,
the thing that gets me about the tatoo is think about it , its permanent- Chelsea is permanently marking her body with this tragedy-and her life- which to me proves that she is involved and tatoos (to them ) are memorials so I think that shows she knows that HaLeigh is dead
and with an angel too?
Thats almost like…….LOOK AT ME!
welcome to my nightmare cathy,texmom and homespain..
no I did not copy and paste the above sentence…
bty, it was my EX wife I visited in prison as I clearly stated..
GMTA Chakara!
GNITE TexMom.lol
you’d think of all the hell?? they claimed this has put the family thru,she wouldn’t want a reminder,ya know???
not saying it disrespectful just like you said,Permanent??
Cathy Jo got it tx.
you can cc&p whatever you want,lol don’t bother me,i do it alot myself on other things!
omg she’ll get out of prison and come stomp my arse! rofl
goood Homespain,i wondered,lol
Well I’d want to know who is deposing Misty and for what.
its all too weird if you ask me!
its sure been quiet at the jail for Misty and Donna both??
can you believe chelsea is trying to sell that letter?
ohhhhhhhh,i assumed you meant ex as in previous meaning you still had one who’d rob a bank fur ye OJ? sorry!
how am i sposed to know! lol
It’s tacky to sell that letter.
homespain-
on Misty’s Putnum court records they listed 3 diff depositions for wednesday of this week,they list 3 law enforcement officers , I was just curious of your thoughts on that
I’m getting tired because my brain just had this thought about the tattoo on Chelsea foot. Another person stepping all over that little girl- was my reaction. The lowest place on her body.
Worse than tacky,why would she do that? a little girl missing possibly gone forever,and shes gonna make money off it..omg
whats this about selling a letter?
whats the story on that?
haven’t heard..
thanks
omg i hopeeeeeee not
Chelsea is trying to sell the letter Misty wrote?
She said before that Misty couldn’t read? and Hank said she sent him a letter like it but he threw it away?
From what I have read and seen about gangs, they do not let you out of the gang, period. If you try to get out of it, then someone gets hurt. Now, just thinking about Ron….maybe he was trying to get out of a gang and that’s why he said no one knew where he lived (except NayNay). Now, I know he had guns (but those could of been for protection). I know he acted tough and all that, but it was like he was trying hard to show he was tough. Now, it is very possible that someone gave an order to teach him a lesson. (thus Haliegh gone, which I will come back to in a minute).
It is also possible that Haleigh was taken and Misty was threatened. She panicked and called Timmy as to what to do. Now, I think 1. its possible that someone else (maybe Joe) set that door up for them to get in and get her or he got her and handed her off to someone in the woods, where the trail ended OR 2. they threatened Misty with her life and told her she better say that she don’t know what happened. She set the door up to look that way so that Ron would think someone abducted her out the back. I think this might of been to cover for the fact that she let these hoodlums in the front while she was higher than a kite. Jr. saw these guys maybe and Misty saw them too, but only remember 5 figures over Haleigh. She was drugged up. She is not sure who they are.
This is why Ron recently said to LE, “I will understand if she was threatened by someone. She just needs to tell who”. And I think it is why Tommy kept saying that “Misty needs to just tell what she knows about Ron.”
However, it is possible that Joe was in on it somehow….he may of been the one to open the door, drive the van, etc. These guys may of made him set up the back door that way to make it look like a stranger (other than them) took Haleigh. Misty was in a drug induced state but does remember the guys and them being over Haleigh and her being gone, but not who they are.
Just some thoughts.
what makes the letter so valuable?
CathyJo–I want to apologize for the baseless accusation that was insinuated tonight. I was appalled that someone would outright say that without any merit whatsover. That baseless and senseless attack was the reason for my last post. I do value people’s theories and opinions and I can see how friendships are formed through this. I do not understand why someone would attack someone so maliciously because people are friends. You always have a heart of gold and I can understand why you felt the need to defend yourself. Keep your chin up because you were definately in the right!
HANK CROSLIN: You`re still beautiful.
MISTY CROSLIN: I know. I try to be beautiful. It`s hard to be beautiful in here. You got to make yourself look beautiful in this place.
OJ yes I do remember you stating that. Never the less I am sorry you were both personally attacked. Well, I guess it could be a nightmare, more like a nonsense. (I did write what kind of dream it wasn’t, then had to delete that because it wasn’t suitable for posting). He.
It just requires so much more reading to get to a decent post. Your friends missed you I’m sure
Thank You Robin,For saying so…..I didn’t really get worked up till i saw that!
No need to apologize to me tho,it wasn’t your fault but i know you mean too you’re sorry she did it,and thats bad to do.I dunno how people can just up and do that without thought at all,its mean!
But i learned something from it,I don’t trust anyone like that,ya know!!!!!!!
OJ – Art said that Chelsea is trying to sell the second letter Misty wrote because they need money for a car , LE has the letter but the media does not so I’m guessing she is trying to get a profit off of it
Stop talking about it…..Let’s talk about Haleigh, K?
I don’t understand tho Robin,are we supposed to come here and not speak?
why do people hate it when you become friends? Ya know,I thought that was a good thing!
I don’t understand tho Robin,are we supposed to come here and not speak?
why do people hate it when you become friends? Ya know,I thought that was a good thing!
I’m sure every letter is photocopied by LE before it leaves the jail.
Jeeez Thats sad……sell a letter?
chakra7 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 12:45 am OJ – Art said that Chelsea is trying to sell the second letter Misty wrote because they need money for a car , LE has the letter but the media does not so I’m guessing she is trying to get a profit off of it
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art said that? oy vey!
Hank said he got one and tore it up and i thought ruuro!
Need it for the car? thats bs! need it cuz it happens to be something that will sell??
maybe she should have kept the money and not got a tattoo?
911 call:
911:” ok- what color hair? Brown hair?”
Misty Croslin: “Yes…oh my gosh….”
911: “OK- how tall is she about? Or how much does she weigh…do you know that?”
Misty Croslin: “huh?”
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I think where Misty says “Oh My Gosh”, I think Ron might of been loading his gun. What do you think? I also think he pinched her or twisted her arm or something when she squeals like he is hurting her. Listen to the tape again.
chakra7 Well then if it’s the officer vs a lawyer deposing her I’m guessing it’s relating to her upcoming court date relating to the trafficking.
I’d expect for her to be deposed -if it related to Haleigh -that she would have to be charged with something, or that there would have to be an official court-case. I’m really tired, and not sure I’m making sense. Think I’m going to sign off. Nite all.
nite Homespain!!
HANK CROSLIN: … without their daddy. Dustin just said just a minute ago, Papa, I tried to get Daddy out. It just ain`t working. They need their daddy.
MISTY CROSLIN: I know.
HANK CROSLIN: Tommy — Tommy was a good daddy. He just got (EXPLETIVE DELETED) for a minute.
MISTY CROSLIN: Yes.
HANK CROSLIN: I`m sorry. I got to watch my mouth. I`ll get in trouble. I already got writ up once.
MISTY CROSLIN: You did?
HANK CROSLIN: Yes.
MISTY CROSLIN: Oh, my God.
HANK CROSLIN: I know. I can`t — I better — I got to watch it.
MISTY CROSLIN: Yes, Dad, please. I don`t want you to get writ up so you can`t come see me.
Thats true OJ but as you know these people are not the most media savvy lol
TOMMY CROSLIN: So they`ve been sending her money, huh? People have been sending her money left and right, I heard.
LISA CROSLIN: Yes. Some guy wrote a letter, and it had your address on Tyler but her inmate number. And it said, I know you`re totally innocent. You`re so beautiful. Hang in there. Keep your head up. I will do whatever I can. I`ll send money every week. So I sent her the letter. I don`t know if she called him or not.
OMG OJ,did you send her that?? rofl
I don’t know about Misty being deposed, where is it coming from?
If true, the first thing that came to my mind is they are wanting to get sealed reacords of Joe’s unsealed.
As, long as Tennessee doesn’t expunge (destroy) if a crime has been committed, they can possibly be unsealed.
Hmmmmmm……
All I know is I got out the van at the store, and people come running at me with guns out.
LINDSEY CROSLIN: What…
TOMMY CROSLIN: Threw me down on the ground and handcuffed me, like, I got a warrant for your arrest. I says, For what? They wouldn`t tell me. I didn`t know at first.
LINDSEY CROSLIN: You figured it out?
TOMMY CROSLIN: Until the detectives rolled up. It took me a minute, but then I started thinking. I was like, Oh (EXPLETIVE DELETED). But I`m done putting myself in these kinds of situations, honey.
LINDSEY CROSLIN: Yes, but it sucks that it took this to do it.
TOMMY CROSLIN: I know. Sometimes, you know, it takes something like this to make you — you`re right.
HANK CROSLIN: They don`t believe you, what you`re telling them, huh?
MISTY CROSLIN: I don`t know what they believe and what they don`t. They don`t tell me anything. When I get out of here, I`ll tell you what they think, OK?
HANK CROSLIN: What, your lawyer don`t want them to give you a lie detector test?
MISTY CROSLIN: No, we were going to do it, but I just didn`t have enough sleep, and the lady that was going to do it didn`t. I don`t know. We were going to do it, but — I don`t know.
HANK CROSLIN: I know because Stephen Brown was trying to get Tommy one, but he didn`t want them guys to do it. He wants somebody that he knows that can run one good.
MISTY CROSLIN: None of them can run them good.
HANK CROSLIN: They say — I`ve heard a couple people say it just depends on who`s running them.
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Random,Sealed records unsealed,how do yall learn this stuff……sheeesh!
I feel like an idiot! LoL
Revisiting guys,tidbits to share too,lol
nite cathy- i was signing off, and saw my last post said (relating x3). So yup time for bed.
Saw yur post in the conversation about misty getting money, with the message . I thought exactly what you said and just burst out laughing!!!
Thanks homespain that made perfect sense
none of them can run good?
http://www.zimbio.com/Haleigh+Cummings/articles/12/Haleigh+Cummings+911+Call+Misty+Croslin
Sorry, but I have listened to that 911 tape and Ron is truly distraught. He says he is ‘getting ready to kill someone’! Also, he tells Misty in the background, “this is all your fault”! She cries, “I was sleeping”!
You can hear the pain in his voice for Haleigh missing and his anger at Misty. He continually told them to Hurry and get out there.
Also, I don’t think he says “where is my phone’ like a lot of people have posted on here. I listened many times and I think he says “gimme my phone”! We got better people to call…..
So, where was Misty’s phone? Did Tommy have it? Was it Tommy that made that call to Timmys house and got ahold of Joe to see if he could find out where Haleigh was? I think that is HIGHLY possible.
LoL homespain,OJ!
O.J. this second letter supposedly has goes into more detail about what happened that night.
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 12:56 am TOMMY CROSLIN: So they`ve been sending her money, huh? People have been sending her money left and right, I heard.
LISA CROSLIN: Yes. Some guy wrote a letter, and it had your address on Tyler but her inmate number. And it said, I know you`re totally innocent. You`re so beautiful. Hang in there. Keep your head up. I will do whatever I can. I`ll send money every week. So I sent her the letter. I don`t know if she called him or not.
OMG OJ,did you send her that?? rofl
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wheres that audio clip cathy?
thanks
CathyJo, I’m a google girl.Lmbo
LoL ME TOO
The manuscript OJ??
Random Thoughts said,in May 18th, 2010 at 1:05 am O.J. this second letter supposedly has goes into more detail about what happened that night.
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thank you..its tough seperating fact from fiction..
http
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transcripts.cnn.com
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Hmmmmm I’d like to see that Random!
Nite.
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 1:08 am The manuscript OJ??
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sure, thats will work too..
thanks
did it work OJ?
yw OJ,i didn’t have the audio….just manuscript.
you taught me how to post the links so they will post,lol tho i still forget sometimes,lol
tix me off tho to make money off it!
Where are you all finding the info about a possible deposition?
goodnight cathy, its 11:15 here in california..
later.
gnite OJ!
Random,i have no idea??
I listened to a jail house video one night and since then I can find it nowhere.
The video is of Lindsey talking to Tommy, and they are discussing detectives telling them that Hank Sr. and Lisa are to stay away from Lindsey’s kids or they will have them taken away.
It talks about him taking the LDT. Then his dad gets on the phone and they discuss all things too.
Does anyone know where these are archived at?
Random Thoughts-
its listed in Mistys Putnum county records,on the clerk of courts website
i did a search,cant find anything hmmmmm
i just had it hang on
http:
//transcripts.cnn.com/
TRANSCRIPTS/1003/01/ng.01.html
put it together in address bar Random,Its a manuscript,sec ill find the audios!
cant get the links to post,sorry! but just splice it,lol
it pisses me off to CathyJo – about them trying to make money, thats all they have done is lie and try and profit off of this
thank you chakra, so much.
http:
//jacksonville.com/video/
news/metro/2010-05-08/watch-hank-tommy-croslins-jailhouse-conversations
Yea Chakra me too,you’d think they’d know why everybody hates the Anthonys??
goodnight all – its 2:27 here in Florida LOL
that last link has tons of videos on Haleighs case!
ron accepted the plea today!
here too Gnite’
gnite guys,see yall tomorrow!if i am not banned,lol
I have a confession to make.
I run up to the local 7-11 this morning. Its a 2 mile run, and I end it with a cup of coffee and a banana as usual.
I always walk back and enjoy my coffee and surf the net on my BB.
I come out of 7-11 and set my cup on the trash can top and sort my change and bills and my get out my phone to read this blog.
As I get set and pick up the coffee, I started reading, and I suddenly started walking like ron cummings. I’m looking into the windows of the 7-11 and adjoining stores as I do the ron walk so overtly that when I look back to my left, I see a car with two high school age girls waiting in a car for their friend who is inside. And, these girls are laughing at me. I felt a little dumb and then realized, hey, who are they to judge me and ron?
I kept strutting for a few more steps and fell back into my normal walk.
I found it funny, hope you all do too. 🙂
jaba, rofllmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “Who are they to judge me and ron?”
Jaba–Nice to start with a laugh. That little confession just made my day and started it off with a smile.
Being fairly new to the group, I see times where maybe my sometimes feebile attempt at humor can lighten the mood a tad as we discuss a very serious and frustrating case where emotions run high in the name of justice.
I wacthed the ng show last night and kept seeing ron walking around and started yelling at the tv.
I remember saying things like ;
Why are you so cocky?
Who walks like that?
Dude, come on!
Slow your ‘roll’ son!
I am now obsessed with rons walk. I blame that on ronfan. I am starting to get the power he possesses over us mere mortals.
😀
Pimps walk just like Ron. Not judging. Just making an observation.
LOL@jaba
I always thought guys walked like that because they stuffed a baggie of drugs down there…like they had a frontal wedgie or something
When guys strut like that it’s because they want attention. Like when Jaba was saying the girls were laughing. Well, Jaba got noticed. It’s a way to say I don’t care, I’m different, I’m cool, and I’m bad. It’s real name is insecurity. You might say it’s arrogance, but then again people who are arrogant are arrogant because of their insecurities, and there is a need for attention.
I have no doubt ron can walk normally. Its part of his persona.
At the height of the media frenzy he weighed about a buck 40 soaking wet. And to me, the walk doesn’t fit the frame. There are some badd ass dudes out there at 140 but ron aint one of ’em.
He looks like he weighs about 180 or more now.
The walk, complemented by the mustache and smirk, really make me giggle.
I was thinking about something recently. I noticed that Ron used the same exact word in his 911 call– “stole”– that Johnny Sheffield used when referring to what Ron did to get custody of Haleigh. I know some of you have probably thought of this before but for some reason it sticks out like a sore thumb. I know Ron wanted the PI to look at the Sheffield angle. I just wonder if there is evidence to see if the PI ever did. JMO
I am back! LOL Well I watched NG last night and it sounded like Ronald was going to testify against Misty and Tommy about Haleigh!
GOOD MORNING ALL! Brand new day hoping for something “real” to happen for Haleigh today!!
Karri – I heard the same thing. That should be good!!! Wonder what Ron knows and why he hasn’t said anything until now?
Just been catching up on all the posts, and reading all the fighting that went on last night, sheesh! Cant wait until everyone logs on today!
new day Karri…hope all can leave it alone and focus on Haleigh
Where was Mistys phone if Ron had to ask for his to call someone better than LE or say where is my phone etc.. Teresa said Ron called her why Misty was on the phone with 911. Did he use Mistys phone to do that? If so why would he need his phone if he had Mistys. No one mentions Mistys phone except Misty when she said she went to grab her phone to call Ron after she noticed the back door was open.
Did they have a land line or just two cell phones?
C~A said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 9:15 am
new day Karri…hope all can leave it alone and focus on Haleigh
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That’s easy for you to say after you chewed everyone out last night.
Almost every time I read your posts you are causing trouble.
I THINK EVERYONE ON HERE SHOULD IGNORE YOUR POST ALL TOGETHER.
I believe they only had cell phones.
The deal has been all twisted around in my opinion, Rons lawyer has offered Rons testimony NOT THE PROSECTUTING ATT. they havent accepted Rons deal that I know of. NG is totally wrong, WESH news says they are CONSIDERING it not accepting it. I dont see it happening unless it is about the Haleigh case and only if he has facts. jmo
Tobias, if Ron has knowledge about Haleighs disappearance. Then we could assume he has known all along. NG said Shoemaker said he wanted to meet with the PA this week to complete this deal.
I also found NG totally amusing when she said it was obvious Misty is the leader and not Ron.
I see Ron on those tapes being very much in the lead also, he is talking about future sells and not doing business with that guy again. He didnt sit in the front seat but he is still running half of the show. LOL jmo
Is Ron going to point to Joe? He has more than likely heard all of what Tommy and Misty has revealed. Lets not forget G.Hollar called his grandma with all of the info that Misty wanted them to know in which led the two grandmas to go search all afternoon down at Shell Harbour.
i have been reading here for a few weeks now. hope you guys dont mind me asking if theres any news today?
I am not a Misty fan due to her lies protecting the murderer of OUR LITTLE ANGEL. I do not believe it was Misty that took Haleighs life. I do not feel RONALD CUMMINGS deserves any deals!
SureRon knows that story, he was repeating most of it on Cobras tape we recently heard. Ron says Tommy and Joe were fishing there at the ramp when gators appeared and Tommy got him and his son out of there. Ron adds the part that Joe said it would be a good place to get rid of a body. But if you hear what Amber B. has said those words sound very familar to what Ron would say.Joe is their back up scapegoat to blame in case it all falls on them and now they are scurring around to get out of what they all did. jmo jmo
TREECE I AM NOT HERE TO LISTEN TO YOUR GARBAGE..GO AHEAD AND IGNORE..THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM..WHY DO YOU ALL BUTT IN ..
FYI MIZZ TREECE..I TOOK MY OWN BASHING LAST NIGHT BUT YOU MUST OF CHEEESILY SKIPPED THAT PART.
Please just grow up butt out or go away..LEAVE IT BE..DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT..DON’T REHASH..IT’S SERVES NO PURPOSE.
here we go again..I try to post about the case..someone comes in and starts flappin their gums..same as last night..try to move on and post comments related to the haleigh…someone always has to be yappin around here and even worse..without comprehension and piles of assumptions…the select few in here are trying to run me off..DROP IT..how many times do i have to ask..but you all keep on throwing punches to p me off…and play victim…( rolls eyes)
Ron is going to save his own butt by turning on Misty. No one will believe her now since she has lied. He has set her up to take the fall and he may even throw Joe into it too. He did steal his gun once so its revenge for that.
Ron is at the top of his game. in my honest opinion.
tobias, I agree that Ron is trying to save his own butt by testifying against Tommy and Misty and maybe even Joe. What is he going to say about why he hasn’t spoken up sooner or made good on his promise to kill whoever stole his daughter? Is he going to say that he is afraid of Joe? 🙂
Good Morning everyone!!!
Just to set the record straight I do not want to run anyone off! I want us all to get along and for everyone to stop pickng on others that do not hold the view that Misty, Ron, Tommy and cousin Joe did it.
Now I would love to dig a little this morning into the Sheffields and their motive, ability and oppertunity to abduct HAaLeigh. We can take it to another article if it offends others.
I don’t think Ron is afraid of Joe.He may be afraid of whoever Joe was running drugs down there for, if that is why Joe went to Fla. JMO
homespain may-16-2010 11;27pm
I think maybe ron owed joe money? Also ron humiliating him? Why did ron move his guns? Why was ron calling misty so much? Why would joe come down from tenn and go right back? There has to be a reason for the one night visit!
There are people who go off in RAGES AND KILL!People who do drugs are culpable of killing!
WHAT ABOUT THE LITTLE BOY NG HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT?
His mother and stepfather on drugs!
Stepfather killed him knocked his teeth out with a hammer and beat his little head up so that no one would know who he was!
His own mother did not try to stop him because he was in a rage!
The stepdad was rather a small guy which really has nothing to do with it!
Iam sure CASEY ANTHONY KNOWS ALL ABOUT RAGES!! There are so many children killed everday by differant size people small large fat thin it don’t matter! What matters is if they are CULPABLE OF KILLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I SAY HALEIGH WAS ALIVE AND HAD BEEN ALIVE UNTILL JOE CAME TO TOWN! HE LEFT, HALEIGH LEFT!!!
I think NG got it all wrong…AGAIN!
This from First Coast News:
Today, the state attorney’s office confirmed what Cummings’ attorney, Terry Shoemaker, said last week.
Shoemaker, after a pre-trial hearing with Cummings Thursday, said they were trying to negotiate a plea deal in exchange for testimony against the other defendants.
On the table in the deal, according to Shoemaker, are the two “upper level” trafficking charges, each of which carries a minimum mandatory sentence of 25 years.
By working with the three lesser charges, Shoemaker said he hopes Cummings would end up with a sentence of 15 to 30 years.
Shoemaker described Cummings as a “very realistic person” in explaining why he was willing to deal even though there is heavy evidence against him, including surveillance video of Cummings with drugs.
Shoemaker also clarified that the deal being worked out is in no way tied to the search for Cummings’ daughter Haleigh, who has been missing since Feb. 2009 and is now presumed dead, according to Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy.
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The deal being worked out is in NO way tied to the search for Cummings’ daughter.
Also, this should put to rest once again that Ron was working for LE. Just isn’t so..
Kate, That would really be funny, Ron has been armed to the nines the whole time until the drug arrests. Ron is the one I think everyone was afraid of. Tommy sure did stay away from him since that fight they had at AS house and the rat in the mailbox. Misty wasnt afraid of Tommy so I dont think he is the killer or even took part in anything except covering for Misty. Misty also has a really wierd attachment to Ron, so I believe she would lie for him. jmo
Becky, I don’t think that Ron is afraid of Joe, either, was a giggle. I guess I should have used lol instead of :).
So is Ron’s testimony against Misty and Tommy going to be about the drug charges or about HaLeigh? I am confused about this.
Joe was in Satsuma for two weeks. It was a planned trip and he was already scheduled to leave on the 10TH of Feb, 2009. He did not leave in a hurry. He talked with LE and helped Misty put up Haleigh signs before leaving Satsuma,Fl. Joe is being used a scapegoat.
Linda, Joe was there for 2 weeks. jmo
looking for Justice said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:44 am
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Totally agree, LFJ!
I agree also. Especially after listening to the recent Cobra tapes. jmo
From what I’ve read, joe had planned the trip home for the day he left becasue he would not had a ride home if not.
I don’t know the impetus of the trip out there though.
I think it was a woman who owned the car joe came out in, right?
tm39, I’m always up for discussion about the Sheffields taking HaLeigh. Any particular place that you want to start? I think the Gainesville Sun interview in which Lt. Greenwood states that the PCSO has been investigating her disappearance “ever since the call came in at 2:13 am, or shortly after two” is especially telling.
Rons testimony in the drug charges seems strange to me. He is just as guilty. I see Ron as the leader; not Misty.
That is right Jaba. And they were stopped after they left the car was checked out and they took Joes clothes. Joe was questioned at least twice before now and nothing came of it.
I dont see him as being someone who can stand up under pressure either. Watch how he starts to cry when interviewed this last time. He seems like a very unconfident nervous type person, one that would be easy to break. imo
does Ron have a disabled child?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrQ6WAHMFYQ
ITA re Joe. How about the post from his sister Kayla on Marinade Dave’ site? She talks about Joe being a good guy and her grandmother as being a liar and a very selfish woman. I trust Kayla, not Flora.
LFJ, I do too. Misty is what they call a mule.
She was doing what boss Ron told her to do until he actually got the feeling everything was safe. I think LE knew this thats why they kept it going until he joined in the trap. jmo
Cate (aka Kate) said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:49 am tm39, I’m always up for discussion about the Sheffields taking HaLeigh. Any particular place that you want to start? I think the Gainesville Sun interview in which Lt. Greenwood states that the PCSO has been investigating her disappearance “ever since the call came in at 2:13 am, or shortly after two” is especially telling.
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IMO it all began with Ron meeting Misty. Lets start at the beginning of this mess and work our way forward. I am sure at this time we can pul logical and factually close time line of event prior th would show motive.
tobias said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:52 am That is right Jaba. And they were stopped after they left the car was checked out and they took Joes clothes. Joe was questioned at least twice before now and nothing came of it.
I dont see him as being someone who can stand up under pressure either. Watch how he starts to cry when interviewed this last time. He seems like a very unconfident nervous type person, one that would be easy to break. imo
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They took all of his clothes that he had with him and they took the car, to test for forensic evidence.
In the sting videos Misty followed Rons instructions by phone on how he wanted the deal to go down ;when he was not in the car himself.
I’ve always thought ron was going to testify in ONLY the drug cases.
If he knows anything about Haleigh, that would be separate after someone is charged.
I think eventually the case will go to a grand jury for possible indictment.
jaba said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:06 am
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LFJ, I remember reading in the incident reports that Ron met up with them at one point and never got out of his truck. Just handed Misty the pills and took the money. They waited until he got comfortable. I feel they wanted Ron. I dont see the deal getting signed but thats just my thoughts. jmo
What would Ron have to testify about the drug stings that would be significant, especially on Tommy?
texasmommy39 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:00 am Cate (aka Kate) said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:49 am tm39, I’m always up for discussion about the Sheffields taking HaLeigh. Any particular place that you want to start? I think the Gainesville Sun interview in which Lt. Greenwood states that the PCSO has been investigating her disappearance “ever since the call came in at 2:13 am, or shortly after two” is especially telling.
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IMO it all began with Ron meeting Misty. Lets start at the beginning of this mess and work our way forward. I am sure at this time we can pul logical and factually close time line of event prior th would show motive.
i would love to discuss also! If you moove this conversation to private will you please let me know!
http://www.cbs12.com/news/cummings-4726224-deal-drug.html
johnny sheffield the grandfather and ex sheriff, with his knowledge of LE tactics could have orcastrated the kidnapping and obfuscated any clues pointing toward the sheffields. Giving the child to an ex cop to raise as his own.
tm39 and tanya, Good idea, TM39. But how do we get information about Misty before HaLeigh went missing? Amber Brooks and Kristina “Nay Nay” Prevatt and what they have said, I suppose. What else do we have to go on?
LFJ, I know Tommy is not going with a jury trial so how would Ron testify? To the judge?
Rons lawyer is just trying his darnedest to get him a 15 year deal but I dont see it happening. From what Hope said they offered Ron a 25 year and I think they are working on getting that lowered to 15 (throwing in the bonus of testimony which isnt needed). jmo
Cate (aka Kate) said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:49 am tm39, I’m always up for discussion about the Sheffields taking HaLeigh. Any particular place that you want to start? I think the Gainesville Sun interview in which Lt. Greenwood states that the PCSO has been investigating her disappearance “ever since the call came in at 2:13 am, or shortly after two” is especially telling.
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IMO it appears that Lt. Greenwood is considering the investigation time line began when officers where called to the Tyler street address prior to the 911 call placed by Misty at 3:27 am.
From police reports and court records it appear that a call was placed by a neighbor about Tommy’s dog that had been barking all day and officers where finally called to the Tyler street address that late evening/ early morning.
OJ, I thought JS was in the corrections part of LE or just a regular officer. And how long ago was he employed there? I doubt he has any pull there at all. jmo
OJ, I totally agree that Johnny Marty Sheffield is the most plausible person to orchestrate the whole thing. Was he “the” Sheriff, like Hardy is now? For PCSO? If not, what was his rank, anyone know?
Ok, if Haleigh was kidnapped, and let’s hope that is the case.
How does one hide the child who’s little, special looking face be kept under wraps this long?
I’m thinking she’s needed medicine by now and a doctor and nurse and doctors office staff and maybe others in the waiting room not notice?
Do we think she could be consistent with what her name is if someone who had her told her it was changed to something else?
Linda b Hi- @10;34 AM you copied and pasted homespain for May 16 11:27pm comment.
I’m not arguing anything here about your response. I wanted to bring attention to the fact that I didn’t write that portion of the comment that got attributed to me. I think that you must have gotten some one else’s post accidentally. tx Mer
OJ, but where do you get the “giving her to a retired cop to raise as his own?”, besides “Gone Baby Gone”?
Jaba, True her Turners syndrom is not that widespread so it would be very unique to see her as a doctor. He would want to see her past records also. jmo
So whats the discussion this am?
On ng last night it sounded as though Ron was going to testify against Misty and Tommy in the Haleigh case, also read this on Levi Page’s Fb today. They said he had been around her and heard her incosistanceys and things…
tm39, but don’t you think it is kind of curious that the incident report about the barking dog wasn’t filed until Thursday, February 19, ten days afterwards? I suppose it could well have been lost in the shuffle and filed late since HaLeigh’s disappearance was such a big deal. Anybody up for contacting Anna Potter who made the complaint about Tommy’s barking dog? Also, why would Greenwood connect police at Tommy’s about a barking dog with HaLeigh going missing? The interview in which he says this is well before there is talk about Tommy being involved.
Also it was said that Tommy wanted to make a deal with pros. andthey would not make a deal withi him, I feel that if they felt Tommy was telling the truth about what happened that night then they would make some sort of deal with Tommy, but i dont think that LE believes any of this at this point. Thats why they refuse to make a deal within him. JMO
Ok so why would Tommy Admit to His Attorney that he was there when Haleigh died if she was kidnapped?
Doctors would be very intrigued by getting a patient that has turners syndrome and would want to see all her files just to learn everything they could. I know this because I was raised in a Army family and had surgeries that only the Army did so when I go to a new Doctor they are very curious about my surgeries. One actually did x-rays for free to see what they did. I was very fortunate since at the time(1963) the Army had the best doctors.jmo
http://www.bloggernews.net/124544#comments
Simons article “More from the trenches” see you there.
jaba, I very much agree with that complication and have raised that point myself. On the one hand, there is a lot of reason to believe that she was kidnapped by the maternal family and put into hiding. It is not so hard to imagine the she is living with someone out in the country somewhere and has a very restricted social life. On the other, she does require a lot of medical care due to her Turner’s syndrome and that does seem much more difficult to maintain. I don’t know where to go with it.
WHY NOT A LIE DT TEST FOR JOE?IF HE TAKES ONE AND PASSES THEN I WILL BELIVE HE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HALEIGH MISSING! UNTILL THEN I WILL BELIVE HE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT!! WHY NOT ASK FOR ONE, IF YOUR INNOCENT WHY NOT TAKE ONE? JOE RAN OUT AND GOT A LAWYER, TELLS ME ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also as she got older it would be more expensive since she would need hormone therapy for her short stature and puberty growth. Go do the research turners is just not about asthma. jmo
kristie, one way to look at it is to believe the claims about LE corruption in Putnam County, and probably neighboring counties as well. This speaks to tobias point about Johnny Marty Sheffield not having that much, if any, pull, with PCSO since he was only a regular officer, maybe in corrections. The explanation is that the PCSO is involved in illegal activities of various sorts including drugs and prostitution. JM Sheffield knows this and has some means of exposing the corruption of the kidnapping is exposed. There is also a tape in which Cobra talks about a disc containing PCSO files regarding aspects of the corruption. That is why Cobra was “run out of town.” Tommy is “admitting” to things that he may not have done because that is “cooperating with the police” in this situation. Far fetched, to be sure, but it has been looking a lot less ridiculous to me than the PCSO search antics that result in nothing.
Linda B, so guilty until proven innocent?
Hi Cate,
I understand/ ok so why is the ex FBI Agent stating the divers were searching because they know what happened. I hear that finally the stories are straight on what happened. (would the agent put hiself on the line for the Sheffields)? why would he spend 10 months on this – ex FBI many years- he must have tons of experiance more than police.
Tobias Ron got home alledgedly @ 3:24am. How could he have worked an over time shift if according to his attorney Terry Shoemaker he did not have to be to work unil 5PM.That means he worked 5 til 3am. This is an 8 hour shift minus lunch break;no over time. PDMs work schedule for the shift Ron worked is 3:30pm til 2AM,except on Fridays 3:30pm til 8:30pm. TJ Hart reported Rons work hours for Feb 9TH, 2009 to be 4pm til 12AM.
tobias said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:39 am Also as she got older it would be more expensive since she would need hormone therapy for her short stature and puberty growth. Go do the research turners is just not about asthma. jmo
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brazil has the doctors..the nappers didn’t expect this exposure but another country is a viable option to remain undetected.
(I also see now that Art Harris knows Steve Brown) sorry if some are ahead of me and know this. thats how Art gets his scoops.
Karri -If Ron is going to testify against Misty and Tommy in the Haleigh case, then they must be in the process of getting a grand jury together. This might also be information LE is putting out to the public in an effort to get potential culprits pressured into making incriminating statements. Forensically , they seem to be at a disadvantage other than that the dogs picked up Haleigh’s scent leaving the the house.
I have always wondered about a consistent statement Misty made. She says she woke up and took note that the kitchen light was on and is adamant that it wasn’t on when she went to sleep. Did LE check the light switch for prints and dna that night? Theoretically the last finger on the switch would have been an intruders. It’s possible that Haleigh turned it on, but again a fingerprint would have included or excluded her. If someone came into the mh at night, in the dark, they had to know where to find the light swith. A person intruding, turning a light on would have had to feel very comfortable doing that.
If I was up to no good and was in someone else s home, I’d have a flashlight to avoid detection. So if an intruder turned the light on and came into the mh w/o breaking in, either the door was unlocked, someone let them in, or they had a key.
Maybe someone knocked on the door, Haleigh woke up and answered the door because she knew who was at the door and let them in. Maybe Misty slept through the whole thing. I do not see how anyone can get convicted on just statements, when there have been a multitude of lies, obfuscation, a shaky time line, seemingly, a lack of evidence. I’d expect someone would have to just about confess to the crime for it to lead to a guilty verdict, and then stand up to subsequent appeals. Unless LE actually has allot more information than anyone knows.
Who is the ex cop who lost a daughter? To so specific and and not even have a name seems dubious.
Ex cop with lost child narrows down the pool quite abit, no?
Tobias , Looking for justice- Very good points and observations, interesting reading your comments tx
From Texas Mommy –
“IMO it appears that Lt. Greenwood is considering the investigation time line began when officers where called to the Tyler street address prior to the 911 call placed by Misty at 3:27 am.
From police reports and court records it appear that a call was placed by a neighbor about Tommy’s dog that had been barking all day and officers where finally called to the Tyler street address that late evening/ early morning.”
But the supervisor on shift asked why the officer was there, and the dispatcher told her/him that the officer was there to verify when the last time was that HaLeigh was seen, and that it had been an hour to an hour and a half ago, which would have made it around 12:45 am. Then the officer said that she was going back to Green Lane, but it is unclear if she had been on Green Lane previously.
Personally, I wondered if the Sheriff had mispoken about the time being 2:15 am. And then I remember the neighbor reporting that a woman’s voice coming from the MH was screaming, or yelling, at around 2 am.
But then again, the officer said she was going back to Green Lane, and that would have been an hour and 15 minutes before Ron got home, so I think maybe he just mispoke.
Why is there no “Quote” button ?
tia
Tobias it takes approx 25 to 30 minutes to go from PDM to where Ron lived. If he clocked out at 3am and then stopped at the store to be seen on camera at 3:14am and home at 3:24am and called 911 at 3:27am. I do not see this as possible. I believe he must of left work prior to 3am.JMO
Thats very true LFJ so many different stories on the work hours. Why was it never clarified? I dont believe Shoemaker since he is there to protect RON. Funny too that policies at PDM changed The guards in the parking lots,the time clocks being changed to finger print ID, the policy about talking of the Haleigh case.It is so strange that no one from the company ever made a statement. jmo
jaba said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:54 am Who is the ex cop who lost a daughter? To so specific and and not even have a name seems dubious.
Ex cop with lost child narrows down the pool quite abit, no?
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its only a theory..
one thing I am positive of is misty was asleep when haleigh went missing.
sorry about the triple hiccup comment- not a clue why that happened
Misty Lied about the story she woke up and the back door was open. The back door was heavy and shut by itself. there was no info to show after what the heavy door was held open with. the screen door had the brick holding it open- thats how they knew she was lieng. I hope they did get fingerprints-you would think they did.
texasmommy39 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 12:01 pm I first want to say I did not ask to move this discussion to exclude anyone, but, to focus on one paticular theory that is very possible and has not been under the microscope.
IMO, No one as had a chance to see this side of the story nor has the public been able to come to a logical conclusion of the Sheffields involvement because of the constant derailment of the direction and purpose of the discussion.
If you are up for a open minded discussion (NOT BASHING) involving the theory based on opinions of the facts and prior and post known actions of the Sheffields to come to a logical conclusion as to their involvement or not, please join in and lets put it to the test and if need be to rest.
***** by the way I CC&P tis from the article I suggetsed moving this paticular discussion too.
I know on another site someone went to PDM and drove to the store went in and bought the items then drove to Green lane . All of it is documented by pictures of the od and clock in the car. They did it at the same times and everything and didnt make it like Ron said. jmo
I first want to say I did not ask to move this discussion to exclude anyone, but, to focus on one paticular theory that is very possible and has not been under the microscope.
IMO, No one as had a chance to see this side of the story nor has the public been able to come to a logical conclusion of the Sheffields involvement because of the constant derailment of the direction and purpose of the discussion.
If you are up for a open minded discussion (NOT BASHING) involving the theory based on opinions of the facts and prior and post known actions of the Sheffields to come to a logical conclusion as to their involvement or not, please join in and lets put it to the test and if need be to rest.
***** by the way I CC&P tis from the article I suggetsed moving this paticular discussion too.
Actually Tobias I believe it was Janurary 7th 2010 here on Bnn talk show that the time clocks were being changed out at that time. Perhaps they had to sign out on a sheet. He could of wrote anytime on that sheet as to when his shift was over.
tobias, do you think someone at Ron’s work covered for him, or clocked him out after he left? I wonder how thoroughly his coworkers were questioned and what type of job did he actually have, did he work around others or did he work by himself?
OJ, How are you so sure that Misty was asleep when HaLeigh went missing? Gut feel or something that you can point me to? (Gut feel is a perfectly good answer, I am being respectful, not sarcastic, to be clear. For the most part you and I agree on things and I appreciate having an ally 🙂 )
On the night Haleigh disappeared Ron had a different job to do than his normal job. He was not always observed by his other co-workers that night.
I dont trust the company now because how in the HELLO could he even pass a drug test? I believe thats why they have never made a statement to any reporter, it could come back and bitem on the wahoo. jmo
looking for Justice said,in May 18th, 2010 at 12:12 pm Actually Tobias I believe it was Janurary 7th 2010 here on Bnn talk show that the time clocks were being changed out at that time. Perhaps they had to sign out on a sheet. He could of wrote anytime on that sheet as to when his shift was over.
If they did sign out on a sheet, they would be able to compare the time he supposedly signed out to the other employees times when they signed out, ex; john signs out at 3:30 mary signs out at 3:31, etc, Ron signs out at 3:35 (just for example) but if the people who left after him signed out at the correct times, Ron’s time could have been not in line with the other employees, does that make sense?
texasmommy No disrespect to you. I’m sorry you feel I or others are derailing your discussion or not taking it seriously. I understand how it feels when people show no interest in a particular discussion or points, but we can’t make people discuss something they don’t want to discuss.
I spoke with a lawyer friend and asked why the state would make a deal with Ron in exchange for his testimony seeing as the state has video surveillance as evidence. I was told that the more evidence that the state has the better the case. If for some reason the defense lawyers are able to get the video tossed out then they would have first hand testimony to help hold the state’s case together. I was also told that it is the defense lawyers job to do what ever they can to get evidence tossed out and never seen by a jury.
this is Crystal Sheffields comment on April 18 the day before her investigator went on TV to state he solved the case…
crystal sheffield ~My heart is just tour up as to why or how people can wait this long to say something. Burn in hell you sick individuals.
Mood: sad/pissed (Angryface)
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Hi Cate,
What about it police have casey in jail and they have not proved there case as of yet!
If she would take a LDT AND WAS FOUND INNOCENT they would let her go now don’t you think?
People who take them have nothing to hide!
people wo run out and get a lawer do have something to HIDE? If he is innocent, take the test prove you are innocent i would!
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I wonder if Ron has any relatives who work for PDM? Was it ever known? Any really close friends(drug buddies) who could have signed him out or clocked him out? I know where my hubby works they did thats why they switched to the expensive finger print scan clocks. And they are expensive. jmo
Most employers aren’t going to just trust employees to turn in times on paper with no oversight. Employers are trying to save every dime they can.
The misty door lie has always struck me as funny.
The fact that two doors would have been propped open becasue they have auto closures on them.
Chrissy that makes sense. I am not sure what they used to document the times if the time clocks were being changed out. What are your thoughts ?
WhyLie, thank you for that info.
Cate (aka Kate) said,in May 18th, 2010 at 12:18 pm OJ, How are you so sure that Misty was asleep when HaLeigh went missing?
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I believe what she said..call it intuition or “statement analyse”, it rang true for me.
“I woke up and haleigh was gone.”
I find this puzzling.
Some time ago, on video, Tommy tells his Dad that LE wants him to say that JO did it, and he tells his Dad that he’s not gonna say that, because it’s not true.
Then, not long ago, there is this video conversation with Lindsy:
T: Ever since she(Misty)got with ronald, man.
L: I don’t know if she (Misty) thinks this is a game.
T: I think it’s what Ronald told us, thats what happened. Now he is kicking himself in the ass cause he told. Now it’s probably too late; now they know if they give the kid up they are f##ked. But the police don’t want to hear that.
And now we have the currant version, #3.
tm39, Are you here and on another site as well? I don’t see where you suggested the discussion be moved.
I am not sure if he had any relatives at PDM. If Ron had an injury that he was to take prescribed meds for he would have to list it on his employment app. If he only had to pass a pee test I am sure he did whatever he had to to do it. Only if there was an accident on the job would he have to take another. If drugs were found in his system at the time of the accident he would not be awarded any compensation.
Linda B, LDTs/polygraphs are not admissible in court, with some exceptions, for a very good reason: They are neither valid nor reliable. This is not my “opinion,” it is the conclusion drawn after rigorous study by very smart, very knowledgable scientists that I know personally. I would not advise Joe Overstreet to take a polygraph. The people who have the most “trouble” with them are those who are emotional, nervous and/or anxious.
Well, I have to go for awhile. You all have a nice day.
OJ, Brazil or another country would be a good idea but it would also be quite difficult to get a child across international borders, wouldn’t it?
As for Misty, you’re right! It’s one of those funny situations in which I’ve ignored the obvious!!
Bye, lfJ, your comments have been interesting. Nice having you around.
Oh okay I see how he got around that one. So thats why he wasnt operating a crane and doing other jobs. Makes sense not to have him on a crane if he is taking oxy prescription. Do you remember someone saying they saw him eating luch in the caf. when he usually ate somewhere else? They were sure they had seen him so they knew he was there at lunch. Makes me wonder if he made sure they knew he was there? Like the video at the store, the pings. Really is strange. jmo
looking for Justice said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
On the night Haleigh disappeared Ron had a different job to do than his normal job. He was not always observed by his other co-workers that night.
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That’s not true and if you are going by what Shoemaker said he said he operated a crane and sometimes he did other things too, he didn’t specifically say it for that night.
Cate ( Kate )
You and VQ wanted a site a few days back.I started one just for you guys but you never went to it.
Karen Anne RN, I am so glad you posted that bit of Tommy’s conversation with Lindsy. I’d forgotten about it but it is very interesting. Wonder if someone is kicking themselves, or even getting kicked, for not redacting that. What do you mean by version #3?
Karen Anne RN said,in May 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pm I find this puzzling.
Some time ago, on video, Tommy tells his Dad that LE wants him to say that JO did it, and he tells his Dad that he’s not gonna say that, because it’s not true.
Then, not long ago, there is this video conversation with Lindsy:
T: Ever since she(Misty)got with ronald, man.
L: I don’t know if she (Misty) thinks this is a game.
T: I think it’s what Ronald told us, thats what happened. Now he is kicking himself in the ass cause he told. Now it’s probably too late; now they know if they give the kid up they are f##ked. But the police don’t want to hear that.
And now we have the currant version, #3.
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“I think its what ronald told us”-ron was probably speculating, saying the mexicans took her or the dopeboys had her.
“but the cops don’t want to hear that”-because LE is focused on misty and company to the exclusion of all else.
Blonde haired blue eyed girl with turners syndrome in another country would be very noticable. Also with a southern type american accent. jmo
Vaq. yes he did on NG. He was moving items from one side of PDM to the other and he said himself that Ron was not always observed that night, but was seen in the cafeteria on lunch break.
looking for justice, I think that IF they had a sign out sheet, maybe some handwritting analysis is needed to see if Ron or someone else may have signed him out. It is just frustrating that we have all these questions and possible scenarios but we have not been given answers to these questions, so much could be ruled in or out if we only had the real details. I understand it is an open investigation and many things are not made public for that reason, but like I said, it is just frustrating.
Cate (aka Kate) said,in May 18th, 2010 at 12:33 pm tm39, Are you here and on another site as well? I don’t see where you suggested the discussion be moved.
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I did move the discussion… but no one hs shown up LOL. I am in and out reading everyday ;), so I posted a link to Simmons last article above. If you post I will respond.
looking for Justice said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Tobias Ron got home alledgedly @ 3:24am. How could he have worked an over time shift if according to his attorney Terry Shoemaker he did not have to be to work unil 5PM.That means he worked 5 til 3am. This is an 8 hour shift minus lunch break;no over time. PDMs work schedule for the shift Ron worked is 3:30pm til 2AM,except on Fridays 3:30pm til 8:30pm. TJ Hart reported Rons work hours for Feb 9TH, 2009 to be 4pm til 12AM.
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wow..we have not heard a peep about rons coming and possible goings at work..If he only worked till 12am..THAT IS HUGE..and the yellingat 2am might have been misty and ronnie fighting..
cate,
Sound’s like a good excuse to me, i would do what ever it took to prove my self innocent! But thats me, the last thing in this world i would want is for someone to think i killed an innocent child! But he put his self in that place, so its up to him!
PDM did have thumb scans in place before Haleigh went missing. Someone called early on in the case and that is what they were told. The thumbs scans that PDM implemented after Haleigh went missing was for their plant in WI,think that’s where it’s is.
Linda, I wanted to but the address post didn’t show. If you give it to me now I will go there now!
vaquera, so it has been verified by thumb scan that Ron left work when he said he did? well, another theory washed away, lol.
Karen Anne RN said,in May 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pm I find this puzzling.
Some time ago, on video, Tommy tells his Dad that LE wants him to say that JO did it, and he tells his Dad that he’s not gonna say that, because it’s not true.
Then, not long ago, there is this video conversation with Lindsy:
T: Ever since she(Misty)got with ronald, man.
L: I don’t know if she (Misty) thinks this is a game.
T: I think it’s what Ronald told us, thats what happened. Now he is kicking himself in the ass cause he told. Now it’s probably too late; now they know if they give the kid up they are f##ked. But the police don’t want to hear that.
And now we have the currant version, #3.
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PCSO will solve this case! The Sheffields will be charged and everyone else involved.
IMO I see only one person that I would be scared of and that is MS.
lfJ, I read about that NG conversation in which Shoemaker said something about Ron’s timeline at work having some unaccounted time or something like that. Supposedly that got a good single raised brow from NG. Any chance you know the date on that one?
so “tj” is reporting 12am but le is satisfied with 3am?
tm39, I will try to find that post on this page that tells me where to go and I will also check Simon’s last post to see if you are there.
the other thing is I am sure the plant where he worked had cameras everywhere..gates etc..can’t they or wouldn’t they have reviewed all company tapes the very next day to account for his being at (WERK) 😉
After reading through all of this I find it no surprise CA WAS BANNEDin the first place, and would find it more productive for everone if she was again. There hasn’t been this much arguing and discontent since MOO (and I’m sick of it smelling like cow pies)
I will never catch up on all these posts,LOL
Why would TJ report otherwise? Where is there proof that the thumb scan was in place. Also for a big company like PDM I find it odd that they never came out to make a statement to reporters. This company has people who do just this kind of job. PDM is an huge bridge company go google the name. I believe LE asked them not to reveal any details and they even told their employees not to discuss it. So to me its very telling. jmo
After reading through all of this I find it no surprise CA WAS BANNEDin the first place, and would find it more productive for everone if she was again. There hasn’t been this much arguing and discontent since MOO (and I’m sick of it smelling like cow pies)
I think we’ve all heard this before, but LE goes where the investigation takes them.
You lose a 5 year old an you are going to be looked hard.
If we knew half of what LE thinks is evidence we’d all have a different take.
I hope somebody is charged so we can see some evidence and maybe figure this thing out.
This is what TJ Hart reported about Ronald Cummings’ work hours –
Ronald’s work hours that night were 4pm to 3am. Law officers and officials at PDM both state that Ronald was present and accounted for that night. Telephone records and cell phone pings lend strong support to those statements by law enforcement and PDM.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5144515.php
This is what Art Harris reported –
He was scheduled to get off at midnight, but worked until 3 a.m., because extra work on a barge had to be done, my sources say.
when did TJ report different, don’t remember ever seeing that.
At this point how would it end for the Sheffields “if” they did steal HaLeigh.
Grrrr, I tried to post about Ron Cummings’ work hours and because there was a link included in it, it didn’t go through. Here’s the information without the link.
According to TJ Hart about the work hours:
Ronald’s work hours that night were 4pm to 3am. Law officers and officials at PDM both state that Ronald was present and accounted for that night. Telephone records and cell phone pings lend strong support to those statements by law enforcement and PDM.
According to Art Harris about the work hours:
He was scheduled to get off at midnight, but worked until 3 a.m., because extra work on a barge had to be done, my sources say.
jaba, well said!
Art and his sources he must be getting his news from the Dog pound.
Why would Ron come up with the Mexicans if there wasnt a possibility for it (drug boys)?
Wouldnt you just have theories that would pertain to your enemies if your child went missing? wouldnt you think of all the people you ever wronged? So if he said this there must be some truth in it. jmo
And CATHYJO don’t let these… new bloggers get under your skin. They seem to have targeted you just cuz you have an opinion and girl keep saying it.
texasmommy,
I think if they did somehow take Haleigh i would not blame them one bit in fact i would love to know they had her and so would ron!
tobias, we don’t know if Ron said that, much less meant the Mexican mob. If said he could have meant the Sheffields, maybe not Crystal but other members of her family.
Inside every lie is a bit of truth. So what I take from that statement made by Tommy is,
Ron shouldn’t have called LE, it ruined the plan, and now what can be done, who ever took her couldn’t/can’t bring her back or they will be F’d.
Could Tommy be talking about himself? Could he have taken Haleigh in his own plot that got messed up by Ron calling LE. Could Tommy have conspired with a member(s) of the Sheffield family to get Haleigh, for which he was well paid. Several possibilities, imo.
texasMommy
how would they get to be with her ? you’d think someone would notice there comings and goings
If anyone is going to harm Tommys kids and family it would be drug thugs. Joe doesnt look like the kind of guy who would have these connections. He evidently doesnt even have a car since he had to get a ride from someone else to come and go. I dont believe he has anything to do with it. jmo
Tj Hart reported 4pm to 3am and AH reported to 12am with the over time to 3am. Sept 3rd 2009 here in the Bnn archives. Then there is another that follows by 09/09 by TJ Hart. Then there is another talking about Rons time line might being questioned. I will have to get that for you when I get back.
tobias,
Anything is a possibility when you have alot of enemies! you are RIGHT!
” Cate (aka Kate) said,in May 18th, 2010 at 12:45 pm Karen Anne RN, I am so glad you posted that bit of Tommy’s conversation with Lindsy. I’d forgotten about it but it is very interesting. Wonder if someone is kicking themselves, or even getting kicked, for not redacting that. What do you mean by version
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Well, I’m thinking it’s “JO did it.” What he told his attorney, and agreed with GMF (Allegedly.)
But Tommy was at the MH that night, then he wasn’t, and now he is again.
Some of the statements that they say, I find comical.
Does anyone remember the route the S&R dogs went that night ?
Haleigh Update: Is The Timeline Improving?
TJ Hart
There is some new information coming into The SKY News Room pertaining to the timeline regarding the disappearance of 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma who was taken from her home February 9, 2009.
News Talk 97.3 the Sky has learned the following information from several highly credible sources close to the investigation:
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Haleigh’s father Ronald Cummings had a fight with then babysitter -now bride Misty Croslin-Cummings at about 8:30 the night the child was abducted. That fight took place over the phone while Cummings was at his job at PDM near Palataka, FL.
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Ronald’s work hours that night were 4pm to 3am. Law officers and officials at PDM both state that Ronald was present and accounted for that night. Telephone records and cell phone pings lend strong support to those statements by law enforcement and PDM.
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News Talk 97.3 The SKY hopes to get more information regarding Ronald and Misty’s phone records shortly.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5144515.php
Here’s a thread where thumb scans are talked about.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88466&highlight=PDM+thumb+scans
tm39, IF the Sheffield/Griffis clan “stole” HaLeigh, I think they are in a very, very difficult situation now. My speculation would be that they didn’t expect to get this sort of national attention, which probably mostly occured because of Caylee Anthony’s disappearance. My guess would be that they planned to “steal” HaLeigh, get custody of Jr., have HaLeigh “dropped off somewhere” and have custody of both of them by precendence/default. If HaLeigh returns at all, I would think it would be after Ron is sentenced. Otherwise, I really don’t know what their options are!
I dont believe the Joe theory because of what Chelsea said in the beginning. She said they were all at her house when she stayed up late(I take to mean at least 11-12) doing paper work for the car wreck and then went to bed.
Rons normal working hours would have placed him at home(none of the three Chelsea, Tim or Joe) would have known he was working overtime.
So why would Joe go over to the MH if he thought Ron was there with guns? It makes no sense. jmo
Cata,thats very possible imo too!
I don’t either Tobias!
I can’t figure why chad needed an alibi either?
tobias, may -16-2010 1;40
Now you are wrong!
You can not go by how someone looks or if they have a car or he doesn’t look like the kind of guy who would do this!
I say BS, these little punk looking drugs heads can do more than you could ever dreamed of! What do you think joe is? drug thug! I can not belive you people would take up for him like this what are you going to say if you find out HE DID DO IT!!!
Doesnt anyone find it very strange that Misty has pointed everywhere but at Ron and Timmy?
She has been all over the place but never once does she point at them, WHY? JMO
shayshay said,in May 18th, 2010 at 1:13 pm And CATHYJO don’t let these… new bloggers get under your skin. They seem to have targeted you just cuz you have an opinion and girl keep saying it.
TY ShayShay,
Ive learned to steer clear of ppl who make accusations because they don’t get their way,childish,immature,willing to destroy lives by making up stuff,like a 1st grader,tattling? lol
Linda, If it is JO that turned out to be the one that took Haleigh I will be totally shocked. There is nothing that puts JO at that MH that night other then the Croslins. On the other hand we know Misty was there, and Tommy has placed himself at the MH twice, with 2 different stories.
As I said in the past, if the FBI agents that questioned JO in the first days of Haleigh missing could not figure out if he was involved, they need to be out of the field and pushing pencils at a desk, imo.
tobias, you have made so many good points today and I have gotten sidetracked every time I intend to comment or ask a follow-up question. My answer is “yes and no” about Misty never fingering Ron or Timmy. She adores both of them, or in the case of Ron, did; not sure where she is with that now. Although now that I think about it, she has actually been careful NOT to implicate Tommy in HaLeigh’s alleged murder. He left but Joe came back… or whatever.
RACE: OK, let me just dispel that right now. And I`m going to go out to Art Harris. Art, people at work saw him at work. Nobody punched the clock for him. He showed up 30 minutes early to work after, I believe, one of them (ph), picking her up from the bus stop. Yes, no.
HARRIS: He`s got a good alibi there, Nancy, and he`s got cell phone pings to towers nearby that put him there, as well.
GRACE: What about it, Marlaina?
SCHIAVO: Well, he also has confirmation from the police. I mean, they went all through his cell phone records, like Art was saying, and the bottom line is, Nancy, is that he had nothing to do with it. He`s been cleared from police.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/28/ng.01.html
I do Tobias!!!!!!
We dont know Joes priors but LE and FBI do they can go into the juvie records during an investigation. And seeing as how they havent really been looking in his direction until recently I would say they dont really want him.
SMOKE AND MIRRORS is whats going on in my opinion. They are getting them to talk by doing this, they got Tommy to talk about the boat ramp, placing himself there. Misty isnt claiming to be asleep any more. jmo
Linda B said,in May 18th, 2010 at 1:16 pm texasmommy,
I think if they did somehow take Haleigh i would not blame them one bit in fact i would love to know they had her and so would ron!
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texasmommy39 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 1:31 pm It is my OPINION that Crystal does love her children as well as the grandparents. IMO I can believe that Crystal had very little opportunity to developed a relationship with her children because of Ron.
IMO there is way more to their story than we even know or have been able to uncover.
As a mother it would piss me off to know Ron thought Crystal was not fit to be a mother to his/her children, but, decides that Amber and then Misty where better choices. He’s lucky she did not put a bullet between his eyes herself for the games he has probable played and used the kids to demonstrate his never ending control.
Now even though I can see Crystals side and probable cause for some very bad decisions I do not agree with taking children and subjugating them to a war between the parents in this fashion. It is abuse in its highest form.
If anything Crystal needs more help than any of the Satsuma 5 to defiantly right the wrongs and come to terms with the system that encourages these types of desperate attempts by the alienated or left behind parent.
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CC&P from article I moved discussion to as mentioned above.
SHOEMAKER: Yes. And it`s not a punch-in, you know, as far as a time clock.
GRACE: Correct.
SHOEMAKER: They actually have to use their fingerprints in order to scan in and check in for work, so…
GRACE: OK. Even better.
SHOEMAKER: … he definitely was there.
GRACE: What kind of job was it, Terry?
SHOEMAKER: He was hired as a crane operator. However, his job duties would, you know, differ depending on what they had in store for him that night.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/28/ng.01.html
kristie said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:49 am Hi Cate,
I understand/ ok so why is the ex FBI Agent stating the divers were searching because they know what happened. I hear that finally the stories are straight on what happened. (would the agent put hiself on the line for the Sheffields)? why would he spend 10 months on this – ex FBI many years- he must have tons of experiance more than police.
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IMO the combined experiance and officials that have been involved out rank his tns of experiance. I also want to point out SKB does not hae te evidence or statements that LE has. He is just a civilian as PCSO put it.
phone brb
WhyLie said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Linda, If it is JO that turned out to be the one that took Haleigh I will be totally shocked. There is nothing that puts JO at that MH that night other then the Croslins. On the other hand we know Misty was there, and Tommy has placed himself at the MH twice, with 2 different stories.
As I said in the past, if the FBI agents that questioned JO in the first days of Haleigh missing could not figure out if he was involved, they need to be out of the field and pushing pencils at a desk, imo.
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Not only questioned him but gave him a LDT. PCSO also went to TN some months after that and talked to him again.
Whylie,
When i first got into all this i really thought ron was behine all of it!
I don’t know who did it and iam not a mind reader i wish i were!
But just the fact that joe was there and him and ron were fighting he did have a reason to harm haleigh if he hated her dad!
He may be innocent, but like i said i would prove my self innocent if i could, he may look harmless to you but not to me! He looks the part to me!
FBI people do make mistakes just like everyone! I think all of them played a part because there all drug thugs!
How do we get tobias on NG. Tobias has more concise facts, evidence and rumors than any of nancys people. I’m not sure one of such high effort for the truth could take NG’s condescending tone for very long.
Wanna bet I couldnt make her cry? I have been an army brat with a father who was a drill sargeant who served in Korea 2 and in NAM in the Tet offense, If I could survive that NG is just a speed bump. LOL JMO
jOE HAS NOT HAD A LDT!
Linda, I just don’t see some young punk car thief, abducting (or worse) a small child because he had an argument with her dad over a stolen gun, that in all likely hood he did not steal. I just don’t think that would cause enough hate to hurt a child in an effort to get even with somebody who didn’t even beat your arse, or do anything other then banish you from his home.
It is not like Ron and JO had a long bitter relationship. They had just met shortly before Haleigh went missing.
I just can’t see it. Now Tommy, Timmy, and certain members of the Sheffield family I can see any of them hating Ron enough to do something this drastic.
Texas Momma
How can u be so sure SKB did not crack the case and that he does not have recordings his is noterious for? I respect the detectives on the case and sure there are some good ones-but that means u just dont believe SKB that he cracked the case? Im not saying I do dont But all thats comming out now from SKB and AH seems to make alot of sense to me. I go on facts only. so im waiting but feel thats the correct direction.
tobias, I wish we could get you up against both Nancy Grace and Misty (not at the same time) so you can crack them both!!! I have total faith in you!
Kristie said,in May 18th, 2010 at 2:34 pm Texas Momma
How can u be so sure SKB did not crack the case and that he does not have recordings his is noterious for? I respect the detectives on the case and sure there are some good ones-but that means u just dont believe SKB that he cracked the case? Im not saying I do dont But all thats comming out now from SKB and AH seems to make alot of sense to me. I go on facts only. so im waiting but feel thats the correct direction
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IMO the case is not solved without collaberating evidence and statements and or Haleighbeing found. SKB was not named by LE intentionally and as we know ART dropped the bombshell and the very next morning SKB gets his 20 minutes of fame after LE had stated they wanted in to be kept from the public..IMO his profesinalism went oute door with that judgment call an aftrwards PCSO discredited him by stating he is just a civilian.
IMO SKB did LE a favor…. gave them an in into the Sheffiled side of their personal investigation.
I did notice Peter Odim wasnt in NG panel after he tried to correct her on the plea deal and said they dont need Rons testimony to convict. She plowed over it but he got it out. I reran that about 5 times and LMAO it was great stuff LOLjmo
WhyLie,
I could understand you thinking that way if joe was a nice kid, joe’s not a nice kid he is a dopedealer!
Everyone said he is crazy! He is under investigation, FBI agent on NG said last night they can check out his cell phone!
Hes not off the hook they are still looking at him! People have killed for less than stealing sometimes kill just because, they don’t have to have a reason other than they just want to!
I would say that a guy who is highly emotional anxious and nervous has to have a reason to be?
Linda, There have not been any reports that Joe is a drug dealer. Now the ones in jail we do know are. But Joe doesnt have a record for anything that we know of except a car theft. And you can bet if he had more LE knows it and would have him in jail also. They managed to get the others. jmo
Thanks
Texas momma
that makes sense too – why do you think Tommy-Misty would lead Detectives to the doc? why would they try to give a lead to get out of jail? seems like they have not been charged with Haleighs dissapearence so why say anything- seems like it would get them in more trouble. I guess all this has me confused so straightn me out.
CA wants us to leave her alone, so maybe she should leave, this is a public forum. And with all the crap your husband wrote about simon& BNN why even come here? Bored! get a day job, bashing cathyjo doesn’t count as a job.
Linda said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
WhyLie,
I could understand you thinking that way if joe was a nice kid, joe’s not a nice kid he is a dopedealer!
Everyone said he is crazy! He is under investigation, FBI agent on NG said last night they can check out his cell phone!
Hes not off the hook they are still looking at him! People have killed for less than stealing sometimes kill just because, they don’t have to have a reason other than they just want to!
I would say that a guy who is highly emotional anxious and nervous has to have a reason to be?
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He’s a dope dealer? Where did you hear that? Why would he just kill Haleigh? If someone is going to kill they aren’t going to leave witnesses like Jr.
Linda, I understand what you are saying, I just don’t feel it towards JO. Tommy is not only a drug user but also is violent towards his own family members, so he is at the top of my list. Tommy has a history of violence going back several years.
I can see JO being emotional, anxious, and nervous when his family members are accusing him of such a horrid crime.
People talk about JO lawyering up but JO was in trouble with the law previous to coming to florida so I would imagine he had a lawyer for some time. His lawyer also said he has known JO for several years.
It’s nice to discuss how we each interpret the players in this case differently.
I remeber that Ron’s boss was questioned by LE and they confirmed the times of arrival and departure from work. Also that he did not leave work that night. And when he left work it was 3am in the morning on Monday, so it is safe to say not much traffic. If roads are known to a person they can make a 25-30 min ride in less than 18-20min, also if you stop at a store at that time of night then its not like you would have to wait in a long line to check out. I dont doubt that Ron got off around 3:00, no one said that it was a solid 3:00, stopped at the store and made it home in 32 minutes. I get off work at 4:30 and am always out the door by 4:27.
5 weeks has passed since the search and still no one is arrested. I don’t think they found squat and they told the families what they did based on the words of 2 big ass liars?? shame on them. They should have waited for concrete proof before telling them that.
I can’t believe that LE would gather the family and tell them to make funeral arrangements if they had nothing to prove it…THEY SHOULD ALL BE SHOT..if that’s the case.
texasmommy39,
good read,what i was thinking was that she would be alive!
Okay heres what I think got them talking. Lindsy threatens divorce on that short tape and it was redacted. Misty has asked Hank way before now if Lindsy is gonna leave Tommy. She knows if Tommy loses his family he is gonna talk, its all he has. Thats the power she holds over his head. Now Tommy is talking.JMO
shayshay said,in May 18th, 2010 at 1:13 pm And CATHYJO don’t let these… new bloggers get under your skin. They seem to have targeted you just cuz you have an opinion and girl keep saying it.
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I read that C~A and Beast were banished from here b4, and I agree C~A u r a bully, Beast is not as bad, but he readily sticks up for u. I read through these posts, and no one ever fights until u come on and start to post, then u find someone and start to pick. u are a instigator, and you need to leave if you have nothing nice to say. I have thick skin, so go ahead and pick on me baby gurl!!!!!!!
I think that she gets off on being rude to ppl. I have been here reading for a month and a half b4 i started posting and that was the first thing I noticed. I love posting, but hate the fighting, and its always the same person starting it CJathyJo.
She needs to knock it off with the caps…I have not posted on here in a while..geesshhh worse than before
Anyway back to haleigh, any new ideas? Did Ron make the plea deal? or is it still in the works?
Karri,i read last night he accepted the plea??
see,she never quits,wth is wrong with you besides the obvious CA?
I saw it on NG. But you never know with her. I also heard that he was testifing against misty about haleigh not the drugs. Thats was also on Levi Pages facebook today.
Tobias,
Do you think that any of the crookedness we hear regarding members of PCSO will be exposed when this is all over–excuse me, IF this is all over?
Im afraid everyone has left because of the bickering….
Not to leave out any other members. Just don’t want to be picked at if my wording in my question isn’t up to others “standards.”
Testifying b/c of Haleigh Karri??
KARRi, glad to know we have the same opinion. (look CA I can use caps to) CA HUSBAND HAS A BLOG BASHING BNN & SIMON WHY CANT THEY COMMENT BACK AND FORTH ON THERE BLOG because its a public forum, and everyone can have a voice.
I wish Haleigh still had that voice…
charming would answer seeing as i think we r the only ones on here, but i dont know anything about the crookedness of the pcso 🙁 LOL
Tobias-
I agree thats what got Tommy talking and he is absolutly the loose cannon here, the rest have been so quiet but I expect that to change as the trials get closer
Linda, I assure you I do not know the guy and I do not see that he was hanging around with them. He was an out of state family member that came to florida to visit for a couple of weeks.
I just think there are other players with more motive, with proven drug issues, proven acts of violence, proven to be thieves, then any proof of anything JO has done.
OK the problem has been taken care of I hope. So please everyone try to forget it and go on. It sure would make my job easier if you would.
Thanks,
Jan Barrett
Thats what I heard CathyJoe, Hold on I will post what was on Levi Pages Facebook
Ihavent hear whether the prosecuting Att. has even considered it. It is Rons deal that if they agree to give him 15 he will testify. Well I dont think they really need it but I think they are playing it up in the media for a reason. That reason is to get Misty to come to her senses and realize Ron is rolling on her. Bet she is fit to be tied right now, probably cussing up a storm at the NG show. LOL jmo
Levi Page Prosecutors do need Ronald Cummings to testify against Misty Croslin and Tommy Croslin on drug chargers. They got everything on tape. The only way they are giving a deal to Ron is if he talks about what happened to Haleigh, and he damn well knows what happened. He married, defended and had an ongoing association with t…he woman who has lied from the get go and is obviously involved. When a member of Texas Equusearch went undercover to get info out of Misty, he called Misty and warned her not to talk. Why did he not want Misty to talk? Finally Ron’s grandmother told him in jail to be careful who he talks to, because of “snitches” if he is innocent, he has no need to be careful! No deal for this disgusting drug dealing thug until he finally tells what happened to his daughter!
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Ok this if from Levi Pages Facebook page. He has been on JVM about this case, and i believe he has his own blog about it also.
ok…….ty Karri!!
ty too Jan!!
Tobias,i can imagine….OMG!!
Karri said,in May 18th, 2010 at 3:55 pm Levi Page Prosecutors do need Ronald
Wow,you sure made a valid point there…..I always wondered why she told him to watch,a snich was there!!!!
WhyLie,
Family member who just happend to come down for a visit is that how you put it?
Sounds like you need to start taking up funds for his lawer because you know the poor kid don’t even have a car!
Maybe thats because his DL were taken away!Iam sure he will thank you very kindley when he is behind bars and you can send him some money to eat on.
There are people who still belive casey is innocent and send her food money!
HOG WASH, HE’S BLOOD KIN AND THEY ALL STEAL AND DO DRUGS! WAKE UP!
The ost is a little confusing tho. I dont think he typed it the way he really wanted to. I think he had a couple typos.
I still stick with my theory, that it happened while Misty was there, and that she called Tommy and he dropped his kids off at Chelsea’s and got timmy and they took the van and disposed of little haleigh. But who knows. Hopefully soon we will find out. Also I heard Tommy wanted to make a deal with LE but they wont make a deal with him, you would think if they thought his story was true then they would cut him a deal. They say the person that talks first gets the deal, so this tells me they dont feel he is being honest. JMO.
heres a video i saw last night,about Ron and the bust but it shows ron in the courtroom,and i dunno why but he looks happy as heck??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt0GeQFjvrs
It would be great if he was in on the bust?
dunno but i soubt it!
vaquera said,in May 18th, 2010 at 3:25 pm 5 weeks has passed since the search and still no one is arrested. I don’t think they found squat and they told the families what they did based on the words of 2 big ass liars?? shame on them. They should have waited for concrete proof before telling them that.
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Yep. I totally agree.
I doubt this group at PCSO will ever solve this case. I hope they bring new LE in to take it over.
Thank you, Karri!
If there was any little bit of evidence pointing to Joe LE would have been all over it. The guy was questioned by FBI he doesnt look to me like he is that smart. He couldnt even steal a car and get away with it.LOL jmo
Also, thank you to Jan! The middle of the seesaw is no fun.
If it was Joe they could have gotten him by now for something, drugs, guns, ect. If they really thought it was him they coulda picked him up at anytime for a smaller crime, until they got all their ducks in a row to charge him. I agree Tobias.
tobias,
you are smarter than that!
Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. Some seem more opinionated than others. However, do any of you actually think that any theories and speculations posted here are actually going to help “solve” the case ?
As for my own speculation, the ones already in jail have played a part in the little girl’s demise. They are right where they should be.
even probation violation,isn’t it true he wasn’t supposed to be in FL!
hmmmmmm which could be why JO left town so fast??
He knew media was gonna break out!!
I noticed that there is 2 Linda’s on the forum,
so I’ve changed my forum name.
I just want to say that I am sorry for ever being a part of causing Jan any trouble. I know that she works very hard to keep this blog clean. I know that it is a sacrifice that Simon and Jan make in order to give us this space to discuss the case and I am very grateful for it.
For the most part we all act like adults and let’s strive to always treat each other respectfully so that it does help keep Jan’s job a little easier. I have enjoyed getting to know many of you. Thanks, Treece
I am equally sorry to cause Jan any extra work.
Smart enough to know if someone kills a person and others need to be threatened to stay quiet they dont go 100 or miles away. The either killem all or they stay to make sure they stay quiet. jmo
As someone that grew up in a verbally abusive home, I run from confrontation that is not constructive. I know it when I see it. That is why I only post once a month or so.
I think the world of HaLeigh and want her home.
I know we all do.
Well guys and Gals I am off for the night! I have to go pick up my little one. (2yo Little boy) Hope you guys have good clean discussion for the rest of the night and I will be back bright and early, and hope you join me then!
Bye Karri hug the little guy for all of us.
I don’t want to cause her extra work either Treece,but sometimes these bullies just come on to cause the trouble,I can hold my tongue to a point….such as being accused of an affair on a blog…..then heck yea i lash back!
Its not one bit funny to do that to anybody!
I have to admit,It hurt me when she said that and I’ve been slow all day today because of her accusation,tho i know its not true but i am the type of person who worries constantly what people think of me!
Once your name is ruined its hard to get it back and i have fought for yrs to show that I am a decent person and here she comes with accusations that hurt people,but i am over it now,lol
Thank you Jan, and hope your feeling better!
me said,in May 18th, 2010 at 4:07 pm vaquera said,in May 18th, 2010 at 3:25 pm 5 weeks has passed since the search and still no one is arrested. I don’t think they found squat and they told the families what they did based on the words of 2 big ass liars?? shame on them. They should have waited for concrete proof before telling them that.
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Yep. I totally agree.
I doubt this group at PCSO will ever solve this case. I hope they bring new LE in to take it over.
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WhyLie , Tobias,
I just read your comments to someone else named Linda. I wasn’t the Linda who made those remarks . I’m going to check who else the other Linda might have been rude to. I don’t mind talikg a Butt chewing over some thing I may have said but I don’t want to take them for someone else.
Karri said,in May 18th, 2010 at 4:23 pm Well guys and Gals I am off for the night! I have to go pick up my little one. (2yo Little boy) Hope you guys have good clean discussion for the rest of the night and I will be back bright and early, and hope you join me then!
Good Clean Discussion,you are funny! LoL
Thanks Cricket.
BRB
LindaB said,
Cathyjo63,
You are so right, i had forgot about that.Joe was on probation, and it was a violation for him to even be in fl! Thats why he left so fast he knew he better get the heck out of dodge!
I see Joe in a different light since Iwent on his sisters my space way back and saw her posts to friends and he was in her wedding photos. She is not like the Croslins at all and neither is his other sister. They have both come on and written about Joe being a nice guy. If he wasnt would they risk getting involved since they are not Overstreets any longer they carry their husbands last name..
No they came on in his defense and put themselves in the mess. jmo
When you consider the cast of characters involved here, ( the Cummings, Croslins, etc. ), you can clearly see that these druggies, are not the most intelligent bunch around. Yet, somehow, they have managed to keep the PCSO from solving/cracking the case. It has been over a year since Haleigh disappeared. That speaks volumes for the PCSO.
I agree tobias.
Kristie said,in May 18th, 2010 at 3:20 pm Thanks
Texas momma
that makes sense too – why do you think Tommy-Misty would lead Detectives to the doc? why would they try to give a lead to get out of jail? seems like they have not been charged with Haleighs dissapearence so why say anything- seems like it would get them in more trouble. I guess all this has me confused so straightn me out.
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Just catching up and did not mean to not respond….What I think is it is a story and it is not the truh. No i do not think the Croslins know what happened, but, have been offered a “way” to make it all go away.
Many others aside from Tommy have climed they are scared for their life and or to tell what they know and they are not related to a Croslin.
MS is ex LE and a Lauramore is presently in LE and if you had just a smidge of history of MS you would understand that he wouldand could make alot of people be scared to say a wrong word. JMO
Right Linda,it didn’t even occur to me till today,lol
ANON said,in May 18th, 2010 at 4:36 pm When you consider the cast of characters involved here, ( the Cummings, Croslins, etc. ), you can clearly see that these druggies, are not the most intelligent bunch around. Yet, somehow, they have managed to keep the PCSO from solving/cracking the case. It has been over a year since Haleigh disappeared. That speaks volumes for the PCSO.
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they blew it focusing everything on misty.
Like the jon benet ramsey case, LE focused on the parents to the exclusion of all else..
major blunder imho
I agree texasmommy. I remember MS’s words on an interview, everybody knows me. Add Cobra’s account of MS’s conversation with Cone. Add MS’s record of violence. I can see people being very afraid of him.
Cricket,
Iam Linda B and i have not been rude to anyone!
I’m really guys sorry there isn’t away for me to prove it wasn’t Me.
It lookes like the other Linda has made alot of people mad.
Joe could go on a vacation even on probation if he got his PO permission, gave departure and arival dates and checked back in when he got home. Cobra does his probation by mail so ita not that hard to believe they allowed him to go to Florida. jmo
tobias, you still think there is no chance that the Sheffields took her? 🙂
Texas Momma have you seen Rons Myspace?
it says scared- someone else checking it ..
http://www.myspace.com/daddyslittlehaleigh
Pic Of JO hanging fliers!
http://media.photobucket.com/image/joe%20overstreet%20and%20misty%20hanging%20haleigh%20posters/Brandi-Monkey/HaleighCummings/Image399.png
Not 100% but highly unlikely to me. They just arent that evil to let innocent people take the rap for killing Haleigh. This has gone on too long and has gotten so horrible for others in the families I just dont see them standing by and letting others suffer like this. There are children involved that are being hurt Tommys and Timmys. jmo
tobias- ur on the money
vaquera- ditto
Texas Mommy
have u read Crystals Myspace?
it seems she was mad when the news came out her detective said he solved the case.
and then she said she didnt beleive the liars that Haliegh was dead.
OJ’s glove said,in May 18th, 2010 at 4:44 pm ANON said,in May 18th, 2010 at 4:36 pm When you consider the cast of characters involved here, ( the Cummings, Croslins, etc. ), you can clearly see that these druggies, are not the most intelligent bunch around. Yet, somehow, they have managed to keep the PCSO from solving/cracking the case. It has been over a year since Haleigh disappeared. That speaks volumes for the PCSO.
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they blew it focusing everything on misty.
Like the jon benet ramsey case, LE focused on the parents to the exclusion of all else..
major blunder imho
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I agree with both Anon and OJ. Even if Misty is involved, doesn’t say much about PCSO that they haven’t been able to build a case against her in all this time. A new team of detectives really should get involved….I get the feeling LE didn’t do much investigating of anyone else, and now won’t admit their mistakes. So sad for Haleigh.
imo though,with all do respect Tobias,you know i wuv ya but I think if they did,they wouldn’t have thought it would get national attention,I think cs would be capable….and mg and js!
they didn’t know it would get so out of hand and when it did,they made new arrangements cause they didn’t wanna get caught?? ya know!
CathyJo-
please do not feel bad you had to defend yourself, what was said was the lowest of blows and very hurtful.
Please do not let this situation hurt your spirit, you are very much loved here
why did it take cs so long to get there,why did chad need an alibi,why did js say he saw misty out that night,was he watching her…..for chad and cs to go to ron’s?
maybe they propped the door to come back and get jr but misty perhaps did come home and they couldn’t get jr?
tobias, I agree that the Griffis/Sheffields don’t come across as being that evil to let innocent people take the rap for killing HaLeigh. But IF they did it, how would they get out of it now? They probably aren’t behind the current wave of stories, either, it would be PCSO trying to make the attention go away. I think it is very likely that nobody will officially take the rap. It could well be left at Tommy and Misty’s current story about Joe but not enough evidence to arrest or take it to trial… until the feds come marching in?
awww Thank You Chakra…….that means alot to me!I love everybody here too!!!
I am sorry though everybody else got drug into it!
But you just couldn’t get along wih ca if you tried and i did try!
butt when you throw something as serious as she did out there then i don’t trust them to be a decent person period,ya know!
best to steer clear,ya know! LoL
I believe that an “eye for an eye” equals the Sheffield’s thoughts as far as “hurting” another family. They feel put through the ringer by Ron and CPS. Probably wouldn’t bother them that Tim, Tom, Joe, Ron, Misty, Curly and Moe are up to their hairlines in trouble. As long as they get what they want. Money, HaLeigh. In that order.
tobias said,in May 18th, 2010 at 4:53 pm Not 100% but highly unlikely to me. They just arent that evil to let innocent people take the rap for killing Haleigh. This has gone on too long and has gotten so horrible for others in the families I just dont see them standing by and letting others suffer like this. There are children involved that are being hurt Tommys and Timmys. jmo
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I would not call it evil in not coming forward and as far as innocent peole taking the rap….was I the only one that witnessed MG, Crystal,Kim P.and Cobra all throwing this girl to the public wthout any evidence. All that media campaignin was to implicate Ron and Misty and make Crystal look like the victim. I guess I just see things differenly. I do respect your opinion and Thank you for an answer. 😉
For the record there were two people in here using the name Linda but now only one. Cricket has changed her name to stop the confusement with my permission. I appreciate her emailing me to ask if she could and she has properly let you all know who she is as well.
I hope this clears up who said what now.
Jan Barrett
Thank you again, Jan!
Linda B said,
If i hurt anyones feelings iam sorry! And please don’t blame cricket,she seems to think she is being blamed for me being rude to someone. This reminds me why i stop posting a long time ago!
Kristie said,in May 18th, 2010 at 4:58 pm Texas Mommy
have u read Crystals Myspace?
it seems she was mad when the news came out her detective said he solved the case.
and then she said she didnt beleive the liars that Haliegh was dead.
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No, I have not. Her Myspace page is private.
Does she believe someone in her family took her as well? If I have my facts straight she has worried that Marty might try and take the kids from her if she gets custody…
chakra7 I think u r on to something w/ ur last comment. I expected some things to happen already, but I think it’s like a volcano. We’re hearing allot of rumblings and little tremors and then wooosh!!
Again my concern is the importance of evidence, and information that will stand scrutiny of time. And ultimately there is no body. As far as I know forensics aren’t there to support a murder at this time. After all is said and done, we really all want the right person to pay for their misdeeds.
This one of those times that I really wish I an wrong. It would be wonderful if somebody drops Haleigh off at the police department.
We would have never thought the Croslins or Ron would do this stuff either???? if they did??? they don’t look like evil people but somebody is!! Ya know??
so i wouldn’t put nothing past the Shatfields lol and McCoys!!
somebody said in the beginning,the family’s had always stole kids,lol silly but they did!
Tommy would flip out if he saw Lindseys Myspace now!
I think i might know where all that money went!!LoL
The saddest part about this case is that I honestly do not believe HaLeigh is alive and yes I do belive the mothers side has everything to do with HaLeighs abdution as well as Nay Nay and Amber Brooks.
cricket- which Linda were u?
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 5:18 pm somebody said in the beginning,the family’s had always stole kids,lol silly but they did!
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CJ63 Why do you think it was silly?
Texas Momma
Part of Crystals Myspace is private not all like her stats.
it is confirmed to be her.
Stole kids,not kidnap……stole,lol
Like ron said,stole”
homespain-
you can almost feel it can’t you,the calm before the storm. I agree I only want the responsible parties to pay.
There is no body and I don’t think there is going to be unfortunatly, I think the timelines,phone records, witness statements are vital,hopefully LE is going through that with a fine tooth comb. Although I have always had a fear that if none of them talk they won’t be able to charge anyone, I truly hope that is not the case
I just always thought it sounded odd……so you can tell they have a history,both sides use “stole”
I just always thought it sounded odd……so you can tell they have a history,both sides use “stole”
even Cobra said they have always “stole” one anothers kids!
HomeSpain,I sure hope you’re right!
I am just hoping there are major investigations going on covertly regarding the Sheffields. The focus on Misty and Ron’s bunch is a ruse to make the other players think they are free and clear.
Texas Mommy- 4:44 PM comment- Well made points. good job.
I mean we gotta face it,something happened to Haleigh!
these ppl have taken ld’s,hypnotists,charges,…everything and we still don’t know one solid thing!
messed up is what it is!
I think the reason this case has gone on so long is because so many people had to be questioned and investigated. In most cases there are just a few but in this case there are a multitude and some are being added again.
There have been investigators and bloggers gone wild, AH and NG, Geraldo, you name it.
Rumors and drug addicts that cant remember what day it is let alone what where they were, and covering for other illegal activities. I am surprised pcsd HAS GOTTEN AS FAR AS THEY HAVE IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH. JMO
CathyJo- LOL
Linseys myspace:there seems to be two new developments in Lindseys life
LOL LOL LOL
ME, OJ- Always wondered about lE telling the family and making it public that they needed to plan for a funeral.
If it’s straight forward as that -yea shame on them. If it’s not, and the parents aren’t clued in it’s cruel. By that I mean if they are saying that to let it be known they have information, claiming it’s a homicide and are making the guilty sweat.
How on earth do you have a funeral w/ no body. I thought that was a memorial? unless you do a funeral w/o a body, which is pretty spendy. The whole thing is bizarre.
ROFLMBO! Chakra……..i luv that….you’re too funny!!!!!!!!!!
tobias said,in May 18th, 2010 at 5:37 pm I think the reason this case has gone on so long is because so many people had to be questioned and investigated. In most cases there are just a few but in this case there are a multitude and some are being added again.
There have been investigators and bloggers gone wild, AH and NG, Geraldo, you name it.
Rumors and drug addicts that cant remember what day it is let alone what where they were, and covering for other illegal activities. I am surprised pcsd HAS GOTTEN AS FAR AS THEY HAVE IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH. JMO
Exactly,lol they kept forgetting what they told the day before,drain bamage!!
Are they BIG developments?
theres n/g bombshells Chakra!
maybe thats why she said she’d wait on her friend?? looks like she has 2 new ones!!
I can just hear Tommy,
‘you dont need a be a duin at!
or rofl,how much did at cawst!
Oh i think so Charm,noticeable !
charminglane said,in May 18th, 2010 at 5:33 pm I am just hoping there are major investigations going on covertly regarding the Sheffields. The focus on Misty and Ron’s bunch is a ruse to make the other players think they are free and clear.
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Just like setting up a sting?
So anyone know what happened to snot grass?
CJ63 I get it and totally agree the term is personal.
LOL ya CathyJo those are the real Bombshells! LOL LOL LOL
and yes charming they are quite big developments LOL
you can sure tell she is thinking shes single, I would love to see tommy’s face when or if he looks at that pic
mAYBE SHE IS LOOKING FOR A PERSON TO SEND HER MONEY FOR THAT nISSAN SHE WANTS? JMO
Yes, Texas.
Bet dollars to donuts she got that piercing she been wantin, too!
omg..o lord……..talk about cheese sliding off a cracker..lol oh his cheese would turn to liquid! whewwwwww
thats right Tobias and i bet she did get a piercing too,lol
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 5:59 pm thats right Tobias and i bet she did get a piercing too Charming,sorry i hit post before your name Charm!lol
No, CJ63-the cheese was last night…
Chakra- 2 new developments…naughty girl
CathyJo- help me out… what is this the family always stole kids,… does that mean they have a hx. of stealing/kidnapping children? So confused and bewildered today,… side effects of our late night
Ain’t no thang, Babe!
ohh sorry Hmespain,
Cobra said the cummings family stole kids from one another back and fro!
Like it was an everyday event?? lol
Homespain,just a second,ill see if i can find something about it!!
She is alerting every weirdo on line to her. The woman is asking for trouble if you ask me.
She should be more careful with kids in her care and all. jmo
Homespain,me too.lol what a night eh?
Crystal’s boyfriend, Chad, had “stole” a kid for his family. Moved one around and such. Hid one.
Made me suspicious from the get go.
Hey with Hope in jail for 15 maybe Lindsy is taking over Hopes job? LOL JMO
Well developments can be false ones, stuffed socks, even the effects of BC pills.
If i am not mistaken Cobra said too that thats why cs said ron just didn’t bring the kids back one weekend so she didn’t fight for custody?? thatts how he gottem,crazy i knowwwwww lol
If i am not mistaken Cobra said too that thats why cs said ron just didn’t bring the kids back one weekend so she didn’t fight for custody?? thatts how he gottem,crazy i knowwwwww lol
Haha CathyJo
Tommys inmate cell friends were gettin Lindsy Excited heehee so it went to her head then her b
can’t find a manuscript Homespain,I will keep looking tho!
charminglane said,in May 18th, 2010 at 6:06 pm Crystal’s boyfriend, Chad, had “stole” a kid for his family. Moved one around and such. Hid one.
Made me suspicious from the get go.
Hid the kid or 2 kids for a yr didn’t he??
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 6:04 pm ohh sorry Hmespain,
Cobra said the cummings family stole kids from one another back and fro!
Like it was an everyday event?? lol
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I am sorry CJ63 this needs to be corrected… because it is a very important point 😉
Chad Griffis hid his children for quiet some time from his ex wife. The term stole is been noticed to be used by various family members.
MS states Ron stole th kids frm him and Crystal states Ron stole the kids from her and now we have a child stole. It seems to be IMO a personal term within this family.
Yes what a night, thanks for looking CathyJo
Kristie,thats what i thought exactly,i cannot believe she even said that?? lol sheeeeeesh
Tobias at 6:07-
LOL well she was running out of money …LOL
The way I remember it he took the kids and went on a vacation and didnt return them so Crystal filed charges but Ron had already filed for custody and we know how that all turned out.
I believe Ron did it because he was going to soon be in court for child support and well he thought it was better to make her pay him instead. Typical custody now days, its over child support money and not the kids at all.jmo
Wow Charminglane, that’s alarming to hear about Chad, how did he get away w/ that scot free?
lyndsys not lookin to shabby..jus sayin 😉
texasmommy39 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 6:12 pm CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 6:04 pm ohh sorry Hmespain,
Cobra said the cummings family stole kids from one another back and fro!
Like it was an everyday event?? lol
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I am sorry CJ63 this needs to be corrected… because it is a very important point
Chad Griffis hid his children for quiet some time from his ex wife. The term stole is been noticed to be used by various family members.
MS states Ron stole th kids frm him and Crystal states Ron stole the kids from her and now we have a child stole. It seems to be IMO a personal term within this family.
Rightttttttttt,it is a termwith them,i think i remember js and mg said ron stole them from them too???
rofl Tobias,exactly!
she’ll never run outta dairy products,rofl Mooo
Dont get me wrong Crystal was after child support money too. Its just that Ron did this first. I believe thats why she never paid it.
They were both wrong. jmo
right Tobias,False accusations etc…….like imho the canal thing!
Thanks texas mommy, that is an important distinction, thanks for clarifying this.
cathy jo- tx for lucking, don’t fret over it too much
OJ,nobody looks shabby to you do they,rofl
From my perspective it is more like PCSO has been wearing a brilliant poker face and bluffing their way through this investigation.
The searches that stand out to me are now the search in Baker County and the recent search at the St.John’s River and both are connected to the Sheffields. If SKB is involved before PCSO the DA and the SAO; I defiantly have to question the validity of Tommy’s confession and in those circumstances and collaboration with CS PI.Tommy had admitted he didn’t like his attorney because of the things he says and after Tommy stated he was being asked to go along with this very story and stating he could not do it because he did not know if Joe did it.
I am betting the farm that PCSO will solve this case and the guilty will be charged.
********************CC&P by me from other article that I would like to share here and add a few more thoughts
The searches… this last searches very interesting IMO about the things LE did not make public even though it was leaked it was quickly forgotten. The door to door questioning of the residence that lived on that street. LE was looking for a silver van that had been seen in the area recently.
Homespain!
if i run across it somewhere i will save it! lol
this was interesting- a 28 page letter from Crystals Atty Kim. has alot of info on it.
http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/Object_1429486_0.PDF
thats right???? wonder whose van?
CathyJo63 said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
ohh sorry Hmespain,
Cobra said the cummings family stole kids from one another back and fro!
Like it was an everyday event?? lol
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wasn’t the Cummings side he was talking about since Chad is the one that stole a kid and hid her for almost a year
tobias said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
She is alerting every weirdo on line to her. The woman is asking for trouble if you ask me.
She should be more careful with kids in her care and all. jmo
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I concur.
And Tommy was worried about harm coming to his family? Lindsy has the girls popped out there for every wacko to see, its inviting trouble. jmo
i dunno why chad wasn’t a suspect,
CJ63 HE is a suspect in my opinion.
You know something oddly suspicious to me is that through Misty’s version of events she never mentioned bathing these children. If she did I can’t recall. Some poster mentioned the other day about Haleigh might have got hurt in the bathtub. Maybe Misty was high, passed out, or fell asleep. That’s where Tommy,Joe,Timmy, or others might have come in. Instead of facing Ron’s wrath, they dispose of her, stage the coverup, and come up with the abduction story. She might not have mentioned the baths because she might be questioned about it and her guilty conscious would show. JMO
Tobias,he was out dealing with misty and ronwith a big smile,left his wife and kids alone then???
didn’t look a bit scared to me!
Someone (Shell Harbor resident) IMO called in something that recently and had seemed sucpicious. In my opinion it is possible someone wanted something found in that river. JMO
Cathy, I know but he is getting his wish now. And someone needs to tell this ditz that she needs to think of what she is drawing to her and her kids. OJ even likes what he is seeing and who knows whats out there? jmo
Robin ,
Thats a pretty good theory.
Maybe it was AS and TN that evening when they said they were searching the woods? jmo
IN response to comment cathyjo63 6:28 –
Absolutely Tommy isn’t afraid of Jo, great example. If you are afraid of someone, maybe you can protect your family better by not getting high, or maybe not dealing drugs and being 100% unavailable to watch over your family now while they grow up without you, and guys from face book, etc. take your manly place?
Interesting Robin
Exactly right Tobias,you’ll get no argument from me there,silly to put that pic on there even if nobody knew her!
It just jumps right out there atcha!
Homespain,true words there! He wouldn’t have been out leaving his family on all those drug deals!Why i don’t believe he was scared for a second!
robin said,in May 18th, 2010 at 6:28 pm You know something oddly suspicious to me is that through Misty’s version of events she never mentioned bathing these children. If she did I can’t recall. Some poster mentioned the other day about Haleigh might have got hurt in the bathtub. Maybe Misty was high, passed out, or fell asleep. That’s where Tommy,Joe,Timmy, or others might have come in. Instead of facing Ron’s wrath, they dispose of her, stage the coverup, and come up with the abduction story. She might not have mentioned the baths because she might be questioned about it and her guilty conscious would show. JMO
Right Robin!!!!!
AS said she put shirts on them?? never heard of a bath!!
TexMom,chad would be a good suspect!
why did mg give him an alibi……all this stuff and that side never got taken in or anything for questioning!!
Tobias,cs dad was a sheriff before wasn’t he???
or cop?
we all know they had motive!
Hi y’all, Granny Hollers was on a local news affliliate in Nashville this evening where a young girl has killed her newborn.
I think she lives near her.
“One minute she was pregnant and the next she wasn’t” Granny told cameras.
robin said,in May 18th, 2010 at 6:28 pm You know something oddly suspicious to me is that through Misty’s version of events she never mentioned bathing these children. If she did I can’t recall. Some poster mentioned the other day about Haleigh might have got hurt in the bathtub. Maybe Misty was high, passed out, or fell asleep. That’s where Tommy,Joe,Timmy, or others might have come in. Instead of facing Ron’s wrath, they dispose of her, stage the coverup, and come up with the abduction story. She might not have mentioned the baths because she might be questioned about it and her guilty conscious would show. JMO
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IMO Misty did not do alot of things she should of done that night and a few things she should not of done while caring for Rons children.
If you remember the walk through and the pile of dirty dishes almost hidden by the partial wall and bar going into the kitchen? I do not beleve he bathed the kids at all an as far as laundry she only claims to have waashed the bedding and nothing else. The house was not tidy when LE arrived I asure you.
Misty was tired and wanted to end her night on the porch probably with a big fat one and on her way back in forgot to lock the door.
Long hard (fun?)weekend and a long day after making up all night, the girl was out. JMO
After all this time maybe no one wants to return HaLeigh. They fell in love with her.
Would YOU send her back to be with any of them? I know it is her family, but come on, both sides need some help, and not just from a monthly check.
They were all questioned from what I have heard and Chad was given a LDT also. And if he stole his kids why isnt he in jail? Wouldnt that be illegal? So if he was never in jail or charged it probably never happened. More rumors maybe? Does anyone have a docket or arrest of Chad doing this? Just wondering since I never saw anything about it. jmo
off topic but just saw this and i thought omg!
Video of Casey Anthony indigency Hearing
Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:14 pm by Justice4all
Here is a video of this morning’s hearing to determine whether Casey Anthony is indigent. Judge Strickland is waiting for an itemized breakdown of how the defense spent $275,000 before he makes a ruling.
That is just what we need now, Granny Hollars, ace reporter.
cathy Jo- Remember the accidental comment I made about an item w/ a grade 62? Sold it!!! I was too excited to sleep last night, just buzzed from it.
you’re right Tobias,hadn’t thought about that,i heard it in the very beginning though!
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 6:47 pm TexMom,chad would be a good suspect!
why did mg give him an alibi……all this stuff and that side never got taken in or anything for questioning!!
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He has been question many times. We do not get to hear the dirt on this side of the family other than what is public record, funny isn’t?
Well, Tobias, they are all thick as thieves in all 4 families. Maybe they don’t “rat” on one another. They just live with it.
Homespain,omg Congratulations,yea i remember!!
wowwww
yea it is Charming,its ridiculous!!
the fact that mg gave chad a false alibi would tip a person off,why not le?
The kids were Rons responcibility not Mistys she was just a babysitter and girlfriend. There wasnt even detergent but Ron made sure he stopped to buy beer. Ron was the one who had the responcibility of having clean laundry and a clean house for the kids and he failed in so many ways. Crystal failed too by not being sober and having a job and letting him gain custody too. jmo
The ex-bride has never mentioned giving the children a bath. According to the original story , the father’s grandmother came over @7-7:30pm and saw them eating dinner on the porch. The ex-bride stated she put Haleigh to bed at 8pm because that’s her bedtime and she had school in the morning. Certainly there was no time to bathe the children. That’s why the police have questioned the timeline from the very beginning because it was nothing but lies !!!
Cue me in someone please… how is it known that Chad was given a false alibi. If so why isn’t mg charged? tx. Mer
Where did everyone go?
That always struck me as odd to (about Misty not bathing the kids) I mean the logical thing is dinner, bath THEN clean shirts or pajamas, now I don’t expect Misty to do the logical thing BUT grammy Sykes was there so you would think at least she would know and take care of the kids better
vaquera wasn’t it actually not Chad’s child that he was said to have hidden out, but somebody else’s child? Maybe his ex’s child from a previous relationship?
I think its sad too that AS andTN never visit with Jordan or care to find out if he is Rons.
If he were my grandchiild I would want to know and you can bet I would at least visit and help with money. jmo
tobias- absolutely that is the lost child in all this. Unbelievable
What is sad to me is that Amber’s baby was even brought into the online world of gossip and speculation forever connecting him to somebody who very well may not be his father.
was on phone,sorry
homespain leme see if i can find that too,lol
Are you really surprised…… I’m sorry, however seeing how TN raised, or more appropriately did not raise, her own children….. she also didn’t seem too concerned with who her grand babies were left with….. I guess I am surprised you would wonder about her lack of concern in the grand children she didn’t acknowledge…. IMHO I have no respect nor sympathy for her… so easy to cry in front of the cameras… but totally incapable, or perhaps too selfish to raise her own children.
homespain said,in May 18th, 2010 at 7:04 pm Cue me in someone please… how is it known that Chad was given a false alibi. If so why isn’t mg charged? tx. Mer
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In a interview with Marie as Chad was being taken in to be interviewed by LE she states she knew were Chad was .. he was 500 ft(?) in front of her the night in question. We have heard that Chad was seen at a gas station pumping gas at around 5 am in the morning. His original alibi was said to be he was out celebrating his Bachelor party and that is why he was out late a into the next morning. I guess Marie didn’t know exactly where Chad was that night and early morning.
The bad blood that existed between the paternal and maternal families of HaLeigh Cummings is nationally reported common knowledge. The child’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, was headed to court in regards to some $11,000 in un-paid child support at the time the child disappeared.
It is also important to note that the phrase ‘parental abduction’ was changed over the years to ‘family abduction,’ as it is often a member of extended family that actually carries out the kidnapping.
Shortly after his daughter disappeared, it seemed Ronald Cummings may have also been under the impression his daughter was taken by family. “Somebody has her, they have her hid. I just want my daughter back, that’s it,” he said.
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11,ooo? i thought it was 4?
When HaLeigh Cummings first disappeared, her maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, spoke to FOX News. She said she believed HaLeigh was “fine” but no one was going to see her for awhile.
One has to wonder if Major Bowling has ever even viewed that news clip.
“I have no idea why, but I know HaLeigh is fine,” Griffis continued.
“I know HaLeigh is fine.”
Marie Griffis did not stop at saying she believed HaLeigh was fine; she elaborated.
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The key was found on a gravel road near San Mateo, FL, during a private search for HaLeigh Cummings.
The search team consisted of HaLeigh’s grandma, Marie Griffis; Johnny Sheffield, HaLeigh Grandpa; Connie Sheffield; HaLeigh’s step-grandma; and her step-grandma’s mother, Ruby Kanger.
Accompanying the family at the search was John and Jeremiah Regan, Hastings, FL, William ‘COBRA’ Staubs, family private investigator, Ft. Lauderdale, and Judy Lucia, volunteer citizen and crisis response dog-handler, Interlachen, FL.
TYVM Texmom!!!!!!!!!!!!
LoL
Was looking thought i’d paste some info we’ve brought up the past few days while i have it,lol can’t find it when we need it,,,,lol
CS fabricated that story about Haleigh being face down in the water and she had to resusitate her. Just like she downright lied about the guy at work, trying to get revenge on him by having him get a felony.
She is a known liar. There is nothing to stop her from lying about all of this either! She hires the detective SB, or he forces his services on her, but either way, he gets a name out there for himself. The man doesn’t know if she is guilty or not of anything because he didn’t bother to investigate her! He then makes up crap about knowing who the killer is. LE totally discredits him. What a flake and so is his supposed client CS.
Her and her fiance have dreamed this one up and either Chad or some family was in on Haleighs dissapearance. They were gonna get Jr too, but Misty woke up and foiled their plan!
That’s why there was no screaming from Haleigh, because she knew who took her. That’s why there is no body, no evidence and no proof that she is dead. Because the ONLY crime committed is that “she is gone” and someone took her. That’s why Crystal can show up on the scene EIGHT hours later when she lives a little over an hour away, after LE calls her and tells her that Haliegh dissapeared at 3am. She knew Haleigh was safe, so why rush? Why be concerned? Same as when they told her that Haleigh might be in the dumpster, she just kept talking about her hairdo. Why, because she knew Haleigh wasn’t in the dumpster.
CS has misled everyone because she didn’t commit the crime herself, but she knows who did. And she would love nothing more than to see Misty (and Ron) go down for the crime. This was fair and just to her and her clan.
Well, that is one of my two theories.
hen HaLeigh Cummings first disappeared, her maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, spoke to FOX News. She said she believed HaLeigh was “fine” but no one was going to see her for awhile.
constantly, Georgia – Alabama – Georgia Alabama.”
Griffis actually said she believed HaLeigh was “transported,” provided a possible location as to the child’s whereabouts, and said she was “fine.”
As stunning and provocative as that statement is, apparently the PCSO does not believe Griffis could possibly hold the key – only Misty Croslin is allowed to hold the key.
In the spring of 2009, after the maternal family of HaLeigh Cummings brought in a private attorney for no reason, a private investigator, and a private CNN/HLN media team, another ‘key’ was found.
For real.
Now there is a bunch to be afraid of. jmo
no, ty 😉
Griffis actually said she believed HaLeigh was “transported,” provided a possible location as to the child’s whereabouts, and said she was “fine.”
As stunning and provocative as that statement is, apparently the PCSO does not believe Griffis could possibly hold the key – only Misty Croslin is allowed to hold the key.
In the spring of 2009, after the maternal family of HaLeigh Cummings brought in a private attorney for no reason, a private investigator, and a private CNN/HLN media team, another ‘key’ was found.
For real.
Jen,I think she made up the man in black story stalking her at the HBC too as well as coached jr!
Sorry the above post is forthe Cummings in the hood. lol jmo
JenM whats your other? I agree the one above, very possible.
Absolutely she made all of that up. I know I read somewhere that they proved those things.
I can just go back on to the NG show too and hear her make crap up to NG and NG called her out on it. Her answers, “well, I dunno for sure”.
Ignorant and something is seriously wrong with her thought process. Remember she wasn’t awarded her children in custody and that was after several attempts. There is a Reason for that. She is a habitual liar. She almost fooled that dumbass Picazzio too, until NG called her out on stuff too.
Go back and listen to those taped shows. You will see exactly what I mean.
BBL need to clean the kitchen.
JenM you are so right…. now off to clean kitchen.
I will have to come back and post that one later. I don’t have time. I am sure I have posted many theories, but just down to two mainly at this point.
Seriously though, I don’t think it is as complicated and twisted as the media and the public have made it out to be.
I would like to know if the theory is correct who in there right mind would risk being put in prison for a very long time to help Crystal and family by hiding Haleigh? And this is no normal child that would be easy to hide. She has birthmarks on her face ,Turners syndrome, these are life long identity markers. If she ever had a health problem it would be a red flag waving. jmo
JenM said,in May 18th, 2010 at 7:53 pm CS
Wow,you may be right on it there!
Suppose HaLeigh never had any more Turner problems? Or they were slight? Yes, she will need hormones and various other forms of treatment soon, however her Turner’s was under control.
Not one of my family members can tell you from her photo who she is. Why would the rest of the country not recognize her either?
remember the Haleigh sighting! the person picked js as the one in photots or sommin??
Excuse me, why WOULDN’T the rest of the country not recognize her either?
all thats very possiible,,,,,,,,,but how do we fit tommy in it??
What if she got chicken pox? She needs her shots updated(dpt mmr) hows that gonna happen with out medical records for her? What about her emotional problems being seperated from everyone she knows? Its just a lot to think about. jmo
don’t know Chakra but some place nobody pays attention,lol not funny but i mean i havent a clue but somebody who done this aint swift anyway!
right Tobias,i thought that too and maybe they thought Haleigh would wake up and talk if her brother was gone so took her out first! then misty interrupted them!
Unless the FBI has contacted every doctor in America to be on the lookout for HaLeigh and her symptoms, someone could get away with harboring this little girl.
Does anyone here have a pediatrician they could ask that they trust for the truth? I have no children and don’t know of a local pediatrician, except for Dr. Fleiss, and you know he did such a GREAT job raising Heidi…
Doctors can be bought. Happens all the time.
Her fiance would risk it. (I think) I think he may of wanted to exert his control or undying love for CS or maybe his hate for Ron or get revenge on Misty for the kids calling her mommy? Who knows. Maybe he feels he is the kids savior? Remember he said “they didn’t want to go back to Rons”. Whatever! I think he could of done it out of feeling helpless to help CS. There are a multitude of reasons. Also, you can hire people to help you abduct your child. They take people all the time from what they think are cults….so why not save a kid from a dangerous situation. It makes you a do gooder! They see no harm, only good. They don’t think about prison….they see them selves as only doing the right thing! They don’t even imagine anyone finding fault with what they did. Just my opinion of why non custodial parents take their kids sometimes. (and it happens alot in this country!!)
I wonder if the story is true too about cs opening a bank acct that day too???
Turners syndrome doesnt just stop go to the site. If she doesnt get the hormone shots she will have very short stature. even with them she will likely be 4′ 11 at most. Do the research it affects alot of organs if not monitered correctly. Why do you think it was so important for her to be at her doctors visits? Kidneys, liver, diabetes, heart murmurs, immune problems. all sorts of things could go wrong. Haleigh was only 5 she could have developed more problems as she aged. jmo
charminglane said,in May 18th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
lol
Do you really think these people care about emotional problems? They see everything as black and white, right or wrong. They feel wronged. Got to make it right. For US.
Crystal has been so drugged up she has no emotions.
Tommy possibly could have helped out. He would do anything for drugs. He knew Amber and Nay Nay. Amber would want to at back at Ron, too. If Tommy helped it would be because without the children his sis and Ron would have more time together. More time free=more drugs in Tommy’s head.
No, no way to tie in Tommy or the others except by the theory I gave earlier….They were all high and don’t even know what happened. They think the other one did it, so with all the media spins and public speculation and sensationalizing, they have incriminated each other for something none of them did. Kinda funny if you think about it like that, eh? Wouldn’t that be ironic…they just began to assume that they did something wrong. I would bust up laughing. Now that scenario would fit their mentality!
Who knows with these people?
My point is that not every pediatrician in our country knows she is missing. And that is why they can’t find her.
JenM,
Your theory is pretty close to one of my theories. I also think Marie probably watched NG, and got ideas after seeing how much the As were making from Caylee. The timing, the names, Dominic Casey brought in by Marie….things that make you go hmmmm.
Dominic Casey is only famous for the fact he’s suspected of being involved in assisting the As in covering up. So, why hire him of all people?
tobias, if it was a family member they may not have expected it to take on the life that it has. They probably did not expect Ron to call the law given his past. They could have easily thought to hide her long enough to get Crystal out of the court date, get Jr away from Ron, and then have Haleigh reappear.
Remember Crystal’s step-mother is a nurse. They took off to Kentucky pretty quickly. Lots of little towns in the hills to hide somebody.
Just a thought.
you guys are smarter than me,lol.chad and cs were getting married right?? well wouldn’t he be responsible for child support too legally then, or not??
before marriage i know not!
Seriously though, do you really think these people thought that far ahead? They couldn’t even manage to take care of themselves!
However, they are all experts at doctor shopping and theft. They will get what they need and make their stories as they go.
I am with you Jen, I think they have no idea what they did. They know they each have done major things they could not remember that people told them about in the past. Blackouts big time.
If you are relentlessly grilled long and hard enough by LE that has taken over a year to arrest someone on drug charges but not the missing child–you will cop to whatever LE wants you to say to make it easier on yourself.
right jen,b/c they were high,they may convince themselves!
Yes, Chad and Crystal were engaged. Chad was involved in a custody/child support battle with his ex, Hellen.
Don’t know if c and C ever did get married.
no they didnt,they broke up but dunno of theyre back together!
Weren’t you guys talking about the Sheffield theory and Connie showed up here?
connie?
May I ask one of you old poster something.
Is Crystal Sheffield dating her step-brother?
Is her boyfriend’s last name Griffis. OMG
Crystal’s stepmother
yes coop
oh ok ty
Yes, Chad Griffis is Crystal’s stepbrother.
They are not related by blood.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609
The original police report.
Sheffield, Connie
stepmother of Crystal Sheffield, presently married to Johnny M. Sheffield, age 29 (?)
I mentioned earlier that I think Crimes are committed out of Emotion! And there are Crimes that are planned due to being driven by emotion. And there are Crimes that have no motive that are driven by emotion and there are Crimes with a motive, driven by emotion.
Anyone with good judgment or reasoning and thinks with their head, usually does not commit a crime.
However, there are those folks too who commit crimes because they figure they won’t get caught. But if they had a lick of sense, they would know that getting caught is not worth the crime. But they act out of want or need (these are emotions). Others are love, hate, revenge, anger, spite, etc. These are all the things that drive a crime.
From what I have read, people who go to the effort to “hide” a body, want to hide their crime because they are ashamed. (Usually pedophiles do this). They know it is wrong but do it anyway.
Look at Eliz. Smart, hidden just a few miles away and no one ever knew. Jaycee Duggard was hidden away for many many years in a back yard. As for dead bodies, look at the ones thrown in piles of deer carcuses to throw off the dog scent(hint hint), and those that are taken to the dump and buried under deep in trash, or hidden in the walls of the lab (Annie Lee).
Anyway, just thoughts.
Sheffield, Sarah Lavon
sister of Crystal Sheffield, lives in Mcclenny, Fl, age 21
Sheffield, Savannah
sister of Crystal Sheffield
Well I hope which ever way it is they need to solve it because if they dont Crystal and family will be forever thought of as kidnappers. They will always be under the microscope. As will all the others involved. And Haleigh will never have justice or peace. Someone needs this all to be out in the open and solved one way or the other.JMO
le get this over with already.
Griffis, Billye Lee (Wager?)
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married to Jeffrey M. Griffis. Possibly related to the Sapp’s in some way. Living with Jeffrey until his death on 1-7-2009, co-owning their home on 2nd Ave, Satsuma. However, according to Putnam Civil Records, they filed for divorce on 10-13-2008. Billye Lee Griffis testified in the trial of Donald Lee Sapp in the 1990’s. However, on 01-05-09, Billye and Jeffrey both filed for a domestic violence protection order against Donald Sapp, it was denied. Two days later on 01-07-2009, Jeffrey was hit by a car and died the following day. He was 29 yrs old. Benjamin D. Prewitt, 74, of Crescent City, was driving southbound on U.S. 17 on the Dunns Creek Bridge when he failed to see Griffis in the roadway. Yet a few weeks after Jeffrey died, Donald Lee Sapp (a RSO) moved into Billye and Jeffrey’s home on 2nd Ave, don’t know what Billye did after that. And Haleigh disappeared a few weeks later. The Griffis’s, Sapp’s and Croslin’s are possibly related in some way to Haleigh Cummings.
WhyLie said,in May 18th, 2010 at 8:29 pm tobias, if it was a family member they may not have expected it to take on the life that it has. They probably did not expect Ron to call the law given his past. They could have easily thought to hide her long enough to get Crystal out of the court date, get Jr away from Ron, and then have Haleigh reappear.
Remember Crystal’s step-mother is a nurse. They took off to Kentucky pretty quickly. Lots of little towns in the hills to hide somebody.
Just a thought.
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Your not the only one to have that thought. I imagine cable tv and INTERNET is a luxury in some areas and not even available in others. She is young enough to be hidden in a rural area IMO.
Thanks charminglane So one bunch is just
as crazy as the other. Poor Baby
No one could have imagined the quicksand they would all be in with their plans, whatever they may have been.
Former girlfriend of Ron Cummings – is the mother of Jordan (now about 20 months old and disabled), youngest son of Ron Cummings – Amber was 17 when pregnant with Jordan.
While Amber was living with Ron, Misty Croslin (then age 16) often babysat Jordan, reportedly warning Amber to get Jordan away from Ron so that the baby wouldn’t get hurt. Amber did take the baby and left Ron when Jordan was about 6 weeks old, reportedly moving in with her grandmother, who began taking care of Jordan. That was around the fall of 2007. Amber reportedly told Ron that she didn’t want anything from him, not even a dime. Reportedly Ron has never paid child support for Jordan. Ron and his family reportedly did not contact Amber/Jordan again until just after Haleigh went missing.
At some point there was a falling out between Amber and Misty. Because in late Sept 2008, there was a police report filed claiming that Amber’s mother (Lisa A Brooks, age 37), committed battery on Misty. This was because of some alleged hostile comments that Misty had made about Amber. And in early Oct 2008, Lisa was charged and found guilty for that battery on Misty.
Sometime in Oct 2008, Misty moved in with Ron and his two kids Haleigh and Ron Jr. And in mid Nov 2008, Misty allegedly is the one who posted nasty comments on Amber’s myspace page: ” ***** i got ur man and i will have ur baby to”.
Kristina Renee Prevatt (aka “Nay-Nay”)
Friend of Amber Brooks, also a friend of Misty, is called “Nay-Nay”. Has said that Ron doesn’t like her, that Ron would get mad when/if Haleigh told him that “Nay-Nay” had come to their home. Nay-Nay has a nine-month-old daughter named Destiny, who is in the custody of the father, Donovan Spells, 47
The week before Haleigh went missing, reportedly Ron and Misty got into an argument, and Misty went over to her brother’s home. She reportedly called Nay-Nay to come get her. Nay-Nay reportedly picked her up from her brother’s home and they went cruising around the area. Nay-Nay claims to have then introduced Misty to a local man, named Greg Page, aka “White Boy Greg”. That meeting reportedly resulted in a couple of days of sex and drug use for Misty and Greg, and perhaps others including Nay-Nay, on the weekend before Haleigh went missing. That weekend is also referred to as Misty’s “three-day bender”.
Greg Lewis Page (aka “White Boy Greg”)
Greg is a light-skinned black man who was introduced to Misty by Nay-Nay, who rode around with them as they cruised the area. Misty was with Greg on her three-day bender of sex and drug use. They may have also been with a group of friends partying that weekend. Recently there have been reports of males in a truck “looking for” Greg, who has been laying low following supposed threats from the Cummings family.
Exactly COOP, all nut jobs.
Amber Brooks and Kristina Rene “Nay-Nay” Prevatt were both arrested and jailed on cocaine charges April 20, 2009 in Putnam County. Cobra, the bounty hunter, bailed both of them out.
But Nay-Nay was back in the Putnam County Jail within a week, her bail revoked by Cobra. He said that he had tracked Nay-Nay to a “filthy” Palatka crash pad after learning that she had allegedly tried to grab her own daughter, Destiny, nine-months-old, from the custodial father, Donovan Spells.
According to Kim Picazio, (Crystal Sheffield’s attorney), Nay-Nay “needs to get into rehab for her drug addiction, and we’ve been pleading with her to get help.” Picazio has said that Nay-Nay apparently snapped when she saw another woman holding Destiny outside the father’s house and tried to wrestle the baby from her and the father. Nay-Nay was in a car with her mother yelling, “Drive, hurry up and drive!”, as she played tug-of-war with the baby. Cobra says that is an alleged attempt at child kidnapping, which makes Nay-Nay a risk for the bonding company, so he had to hunt her down. Cobra also said that he found Nay-Nay asleep on a dirty mattress, and told her that she was going back to jail. “She cried and screamed that she’d die in jail,” Cobra said, but admits that jail might be the safest place for her right now. Evidently Nay-Nay had texted her ex bf, that she intended to kill herself after she had seen her baby being held by another woman, and the ex bf forwarded the text message to Picazio and Cobra.
At last report, it seems there are at least two versions of who really bailed Nay-Nay out of jail the second time around. One report has it that Nay-Nay’s boyfriend is a 37 year old black man and that she was bailed out by the local bail bond company.
Another version is that Nay-Nay was bailed out the second time around by a 46 year old white sex offender. Will update as available.
CJ, Amber was 19 when her baby was born so that was one loooong pregnancy, lol.
HALEIGH’s FAMILY on her mother’s side:
mother – Crystal Diane Sheffield
Crystals mother – Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield Griffis (aka Marie)
Crystals father – Johnny Marcus Sheffield
Crystals siblings – Sarah Lavon Sheffield, Marcus Sheffield, Savannah Sheffield
Crystals step-mother – Connie Sheffield
Crystals step-father – Bruce A. Griffis
Crystals uncle – Andrew Sheffield
Crystals aunts – Katrina Belcher, Dana
Crystals children – Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr, Chloe (Sheffield? Griffis?)
Crystals boyfriend/fiance – Chad Griffis
Maries father – Virgil Johns Jr
Maries step-mother – Marilyn C. Brannen Johns
Other known relatives – Deborah Lynn Griffis, Jill Griffis, Victor Griffis, Ruby Johns, Virgil Johns Jr
Known relatives, not sure if from mother’s or father’s side – Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett
Possibly related in some way – Floyd J. Collins Jr, Peggy Latrelle Sapp Collins, Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis, Jeffrey Michael Griffis, Kyle S. Johns Jr, Kyle S. Johns Sr, Virgil Johns (III ?), Donald Lee Sapp, Guy W. Sapp, Raymond Sapp
HALEIGH’s FAMILY on her father’s side:
father – Ronald Lemyles Cummings Sr
Ronalds father – Jack Cummings
Ronalds mother – Theresa Ann Neves
Ronalds sibling – Crystal Cummings
Ronalds children – Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings, Ronald Lemyles Cummings Jr
Ronalds girlfriend – Misty Jeanette Croslin
Ronalds grandma/great-grandma – Annette Sykes (Sikes?)
Known relatives, not sure if from mother’s or father’s side – Ronald Padgett, Sherry Padgett
Possibly related in some way – Randy Cummings, Robert Cummings,
Yes, it is very possible they have all implicated each other falsely. Ron comes home, (on tape)tells Misty its “her fault”. She blames “someone”, which could be “anyone”, but mentions “tommy” and “joe”. Ron thinks it could be “tommy” or “joe”. LE still thinks Misty knows who the “someone” is. LE questions “tommy”, who in turn tells Misty to tell on “ron”. LE clears Ron, so Misty says it could be “tommy”. Tommy then says it could be “joe”.
And this has been going on for a fricken year folks!!! And it is still going on with them in the jail locked up! We’ve all tried to pin it on someone too, but none of it adds up.
Remember the 3 stooges show…reminds me of that. All hitting each other on the head because something happened, but they don’t know what happened in the first place, so they start blaming the other for blaming them (or hitting each other for hitting them).
A bit comical in a way. Good think LE has them locked up, cause they could harm each other over this.
HALEIGH’s father’s girlfriend’s family:
girlfriend – Misty Jeanette Croslin
Mistys father – Hank Thomas Croslin Sr
Mistys mother – Lisa Croslin
Mistys siblings: Hank Thomas Croslin Jr (aka Tommy), Timothy A. Croslin (aka Timmy)
Mistys sister-in-laws – Lindsy Kate Collins Croslin (married to Tommy), Chelsea Croslin (married to Timmy)
Mistys nephews and niece by Tommy and Lindsy – Austin, Dustin and Layla Croslin
Mistys cousins – Jeff Perry, Marie Boyles Perry, Spurlock
Other known relatives – Adam Troy Croslin, Chester Leon Croslin, June Marie Croslin, Michael Croslin,
Possibly related in some way – Floyd J. Collins Jr, Peggy Latrelle Sapp Collins, James Dean Crosslin, Billye Lee (Wager?) Griffis, Jeffrey Michael Griffis, Donald Lee Sapp, Guy W. Sapp, Raymond Sapp
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In other words… If the possible connections prove true, Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings has connected cousins from both families of Crystal and Misty, and perhaps Ronald as well. Specifically the Griffis, Sapp and Collins families.
Also if the possible connections prove true, Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings has several RSO’s in her extended family.
Hi all,
Just have a minute, but wanted to see if there was any new information. Just couldn’t bring myself to watch NG. Besides that, her bombshells are normally a couple weeks old anyway.
You know, as far as I know, none of us know the details of why TN didn’t raise Ron herself. Maybe at the time she felt it was in his best interst. It just bothers me that people don’t have sympathy for her. Personally I see a Grandmother who is heartbroken about her grandchild missing and not knowing where she is. Then she has her son in jail. (yes he put himself there) but I still feel so bad for her. Life will never be the same for her.
I don’t know what happened to Haleigh. I just pray that none of us ever find ourselves in a situation even close to this.
Everyone have a good evening. Pray for Haleigh and her family.
charminglane said,in May 18th, 2010 at 8:36 pm Weren’t you guys talking about the Sheffield theory and Connie showed up here?
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She sure did and to set us straight.LOL
After that I just sarted posting directly to the clan to get a few answers to what the qesions that really need to be answered and to clear up the mess they made so that there name can be dropped from the suspect list or …….
some family info
Griffis, Bruce A.
stepfather of Crystal Sheffield, married to Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield Griffis (aka Marie), witnesses to marriage in 2002 in Putnam County, Fl were Virgil Johns Jr and Marilyn C. Brannen Johns, lives in Glen St. Mary, has lived in Lake City, Sanderson, Lawstoy, related in some way to Chad, Jill, Victor and Deborah Griffis, (possibly Victor’s brother), age 46
Griffis, Chad
boyfriend/fiance of Crystal Sheffield, related in some way to Bruce, Victor and Deborah Lynn Griffis, brother of Jill Griffis, age 29
Griffis, Deborah Lynn
married to Victor Griffis, related in some way to Bruce, Chad and Jill Griffis, age 48
Griffis, Jill
related in some way to Bruce, Victor and Deborah Griffis, sister of Chad Griffis, age 25
Griffis, Nancy Marie Johns Sheffield (aka Marie)
mother of Crystal Sheffield, maternal grandmother of Haleigh Cummings, bd 1965, presently married to Bruce A. Griffis, witnesses to marriage in 2002 in Putnam County, Fl were Virgil Johns Jr and Marilyn C. Brannen Johns, lives in Glen St. Mary, age 43
Griffis, Victor
married to Deborah L. Griffis, related in some way to Bruce, Chad and Jill Griffis, (possibly Bruce’s brother), age 52
Cathy Jo,
Thanks for the family info.
So what is your theory on what happened to Haleigh?
I’m not sure I believe the Joe story.
Did you go look at the original police report?
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609
Cathy, you have to be careful because some of the research early on was incorrect. Donald SAPP and Guy Sapp are not related to each other. And there are people who have married several times. TN has at least 2 times. GGsykes at least 2 times, Some have been married 3-4 times. Its just remarkably a mess trying to figure out who is related to who in this bunch. jmo
I remember that
Texas. No question was ever answered. Directly or indirectly, just tossed aside.
Re: HaLeigh Cummings Case (audio tapes)
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2010, 09:15:02 PM »
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Haleigh Cummings – Tommy Can’t Sleep In Jail!
http://www.bloggernews.net/indepth/Haleigh/may4021.mp3
TC: Hey whats up, what are you doing?
LC: Nothing, your hair looks good.
TC: Thank yah. I’m tired man, I ain’t slept in two days.
LC: Why?
TC: I just can’t sleep. That’s all I know. It sucks.
LC: None of us can get ahold of your mom and dad, texting or anything. Chelsea and Tim can’t get ahold texting or calling. The only people that have talk to them is your nanny.
TC: They do got their phone?
LC: Yea, and they won’t answer. They won’t answer none of our calls or texts, not nothing from Chelsea & Tim, nothing.
TC: I wonder what their deal is.
LC: I don’t know. I wrote them a nasty message.
TC: Wonder whats going on with um.
LC: I don’t know . Ain’t no telling.
TC: What time is it?
LC: Almost 2 o’clock
TC: Fu_ _ man, I ain’t slept in 2 days.
LC: Why?
TC: I don’t know. I can’t sleep. Its b/s yeah I had a bad headache, someone gave me some tylenol. So tired
TC: I got your pictures today
LC: You did
TC: and your letters. I read one of your letters, I ain’t read the other one yet.
LC: giggle giggle giggle
LC: Did you like the pictures.
TC: Yeah they are alright. Laylas so cute.
LC: Did you like my pictures..
TC: Yeah you need to send me some better ones.
LC: I couldn’t help it. That’s all I can do. I don’t know. What kind?
TC: Just send me some better ones. Chit. I wonder whats up with my damn parents man
LC: You like, did you see the bedspread?
TC: Yea, its cute
LC: giggle giggle giggle
TC: Fu _ _ , this chit sucks, I wanna come home.
LC: You don’t like my pictures Tom?
TC: I like um, yea I like um
LC: No you don’t. your lying
TC: Yes, I do , I love um.
LC: Their ugly
TC: Nooo! Look good baby
LC: I love you
TC: I love you too. I was hoping you would come tonight so Austin could come.
LC: Yeah I will bring him Thursday.
TC: Alright
LC: Got so much to do. Had to go to a t-ball game tonight and stuff like that.
TC: Yeah well have fun.
LC: Just try to stay busy, ya know.
TC: I know. I hope I’m able to go to sleep tonight. Damn, this chit sucks.
LC: I don’t know why you can’t sleep
TC: I don’t either man. My back been killing me, fu_ laying on that sorry ass mat, I just can’t sleep. Fu_ _ing thought, I didn’t know what time it was and all of a sudden they were bringing breakfast trays in, I was like damn.
LC: Why is that wrinkle in your forehead.
TC: I don’ know, cause I’m tired. (giggle) Holding my eyes open.
LC: giggle giggle giggle
TC: I miss yah
LC: I miss you too baby, sucks.
TC: Yep
LC: Why you so smiley?
TC: Glad to see you.
LC: I told yah I’d be here.
TC: I know.
LC: Told your mom and dad, I was like you know, I can’t rely on you guys anymore. Its good thing I have my friend to watch the kids while I come here.
TC: They must be getting high or sumpin. They’ve been on a binge. They need to quit, they need to give you your fu_ _ing money so I can get some more money.
LC: That’s ok, karma, I’ll get um.
TC: Bullchit, they wouldn’t answer me when I tried calling um, I ain’t gonna call um for a couple of days.
LC: They keep messing with me, I’m gonna call Art Harris.
TC: And, what are you going to say, what you tell on um.
LC: Everything
TC: Whadda you mean?
LC: I will tell them that they borrowed money, that they ain’t taken nobodys calls.
TC: Oh well, he doesn’t want to hear that.
LC: Ah yeah he does. It be great. Nancy Grace ain’t playing nothing new. She’ll love it.
TC: giggle, giggle, giggle
So does anyone agree on my 3 stooges theory above?
LC: Yeah nothing, I got up, and cook the kids some bacon. Nobody ate it, cept me.
TC: Whose got the kids, Lisa?
LC: Yeah
TC: They stayed at the house or they ride with you?
LC: They rode with me. Cause when we get back I’ve got to get Austin, I’ve go to the t-ball game, then I’ve got to go the gym, then I’m going out to ?? to watch Lisa get her tongue pierced.
TC: Wheres she doing that at?
LC: The tattoo guy. Hes home like 2 days a week. He works in Jacksonville
TC: You don’t be doing none of that chit. For real, you better not.
LC: What, my tongue?
TC: None of it. You make me mad if you do.
LC: Why?
Maybe all Misty knows is that Ron and Tommy didn’t do anything.
Far fetched, I know. Just kinda throwing it out there!
TC: Gee I’m lucky I ain’t O Ded.
LC: Yep you are.
TC: All the fu_ _ing pills I done sniffed
LC: She says it’s the perfect book. She says its really good and you can really like understand it. She gave me the name of the book and the author. So I have to look it up. I lost the name of the book last night on accident, so I have to call, I’ll have to get it from her tonight.
TC: Who is she?
LC: Some lady, I don’t know. Some lady that got my phone number off tv and call me
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TC: (angrily) Why the fu_ _ would they have your phone number on tv
LC: Because they have our phone records all over the internet.
sorry Tobias,ive went wild!!lol
Yes, I agree JenM, I thought of them earlier in my 5:10 pm post.
Are you my cousin in N.C.?
Good night all. Hope we all get answers soon.
was throwing it out there so maybe we could find a connection to the sides of families,lol sorry eating too!!
LC: I know I’m a hypocrite, I smoke anyways
TC: Yeah, I can’t tell yah, but
LC: Yeah I know
TC: (giggle)
LC: You don’t have to tell me, I love you
TC: I love you too.
LC: Who knows, who knows what you are going to get .I know mom was telling me you’re not a candidate for drug court.
TC: Yeah
LC: I said I know mom was telling me you’re not a candidate for drug court. People that sells drugs can’t be a candidate
TC: I f_ _ king didn’t sell no drugs
LC: I’m just saying what she said
TC: I know. I ain’t no drug dealer and they know that chit.
LC: I wouldn’t be hurting for money and driving a really now a real piece of chit van
TC: I didn’t sell no f_ _ing drugs anyway. If you think about it, I really, they wasn’t mine. I didn’t sell chit.
LC: Yeah I know, I know. You got to see the video though?
TC: Yeah, it didn’t show nothing. I gotta try to get another one I guess, something, I don’t know
LC: See if theres more
TC: Yeah, hes suppose to come see me this week
LC: Maybe I’ll call and see what he thinks about the video when I leave here and when you call me tonight. You can call me after 7:30
TC: Yeah I call you whenever I get out. I just have to wait til my
LC: No, no wait, call me after 5:30, 6:30. Call me after 6:30
TC: Well if you are going to a base game at 5, how you going go to the gym and be there done at 6:30
Good night Tobias, Kiss Tobias on the nose for me.
No, charminglane, I am in colorado. I have thought this as one of my theories all along. Just watch a 3 stooges episode and I swear they could substitute all of this for what happened with Haleigh. They all think they are smarter than the other, lol. Gotta run.
I also do not believe Katrina Belcher is Crystal’s aunt, I believe she is Ron’s aunt
LC: Yeah, its bothering him, you can tell by the way he acts. He gets real mad. He was grounded last night, no tv
TC: That’s why I want to get out of here. If they are going to f_ _king send me to prison send me there so I can f_ _king see um
LC: Yeah, Layla was pointing at something this morning of yours, all your clothes in the closet. Shes like ah daddy, daddy. I was like yeah those are daddy’s. She was like trying to pull them off the hangers . so I let her, I took them off and let her see um, like your shirts
TC: She won’t forget me. They ain’t got me long enough for her to forget me.
LC: Oh I know. I can’t wait though if you do, the only thing if you do go to prison like when she sees you, remember the last time when she saw you, she like ran to you
TC: Yeah I can’t . I’m ready. I want to see my kids.
LC: Your like for real, like
yea rons sister is crystal!!
TC: She won’t forget me. They ain’t got me long enough for her to forget me.
LC: Oh I know. I can’t wait though if you do, the only thing if you do go to prison like when she sees you, remember the last time when she saw you, she like ran to you
TC: Yeah I can’t . I’m ready. I want to see my kids.
She won’t forget,shes a baby aint she?
sad aint it??
crystal cummings is rons sister so that would be her aunt too right!
For Family info go look at scared monkey website
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4570.0
I’m confused. Ron has a sis Crystal and his ex, Crystal Sheffield.
CJ, yes she would be Crystal C’s aunt but she is listed as part of Crystal Sheffields family, which is wrong, I believe.
Also Amber’s baby was not 20 months old and Amber was 19 when she had him, not 17. I think that info came from AH if I remember correctly, and as usual his sources were wrong.
WhyLie said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
vaquera wasn’t it actually not Chad’s child that he was said to have hidden out, but somebody else’s child? Maybe his ex’s child from a previous relationship?
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I am actually not 100 percent sure. I thought it was Roxie’s oldest daughter from her first marriage to Jerry Bunch, but someone else said it was Roxie and Chad’s daughter.It had to be when they lived in GA.
yes ron has a sister crystal.lol
ohhhhhh that splains it,ah? dunno how i missed that?
KY Mom,thats where i got this from,lol
no more posting articles for me,confused enough!
don’t wanna worsen it!lol
Good night!
wow,i just found some interesting stuff!!
Cathy Jo
lol…
posting this only b/c its what we were just talking about/I don’t know if its true but just FYI……..use your own judgement,i just think wether all we have ever heard is true or not we can maybe find certain pieces of the puzzle! Re: The case … by Timothy Charles Holmseth
by awaiting justice on Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:38 am
.Lottie,
I agree that it is too bad the cops didnt do a lot of things.. So far ll I have seen them do is turn the public agaisnts Miaty and continue to put all their eggs in that basket….It is no surprise that Misty felt Joe may have been responsible for this crime and her having those feelings since day one may have been enough IMO to actually be sold by Tommy to some up with corroborating an account of what happened (by Tommy) to save herself.
It is clear to me that LE was never going to take from their focus from “Misty holding the key” and on account that her’s and Tommy trial date is so near, I wudnt be surprised if Misty is an easy person to possibley have been told what took place where it was told to her that she knew this along …..She may have heard this story for the first time just weeks ago but has had to play along that it is the truth to save her life….(from 25 yrs in jail) …
I know for myslef, if this is the case, I wudnt blame her… If she has been telling the truth the shole time, what else is she supposed to do… ????
CathyJo63 said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
The bad blood that existed between the paternal and maternal families of HaLeigh Cummings is nationally reported common knowledge. The child’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, was headed to court in regards to some $11,000 in un-paid child support at the time the child disappeared.
It is also important to note that the phrase ‘parental abduction’ was changed over the years to ‘family abduction,’ as it is often a member of extended family that actually carries out the kidnapping.
Shortly after his daughter disappeared, it seemed Ronald Cummings may have also been under the impression his daughter was taken by family. “Somebody has her, they have her hid. I just want my daughter back, that’s it,” he said.
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11,ooo? i thought it was 4?
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actually it was over 12,000.Kim said in her bar complaint rebuttal that in all those years Crystal had paid less than 1000 dollars in support.
A cursory look at a general time-line of major events begins to create very serious questions about the true motives of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.
HALEIGH APPEARS DEAD
NO BODY FOUND
February 10, 2009: HaLeigh Cummings is reported missing from her home.
February 13, 2009: Texas Equusearch has arrived in Satsuma and volunteer search teams are scouring the area in search of HaLeigh Cummings.
February 16, 2009: Texas Equusearch is suddenly asked to leave by local law enforcement.
February 27, 2009: The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office suddenly decides to have cadaver dogs sniff a dumpster near the home of Ronald Cummings and three dogs hit positively. No body is found.
June 26, 2009: Resources from four Florida counties are brought in to search a farm in Baker County, Florida. Cadaver dogs and divers and other resources are used. No body is found.
September 19, 2009: A large mondex is drained in connection with the HaLeigh Cummings investigation. No body is found.
April 13, 2010: The family of HaLeigh Cummings is asked to meet with the PCSO. They are told that the investigation is now a homicide investigation and suggest a funeral be planned. They allude to the family they have something they can bury. They really don’t.
April 13, 2010: A large scale search is conducted on the St. Johns River using divers. No body is found.
Intelligent Americans are beginning to ask serious questions, which the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has steadfastly refused to answer.
Some of those questions are:
(Q) Why did the PCSO ask a well-known search firm to leave and abandon their search after just a few short days?
(Q) Why did the PCSO decide to introduce three cadaver dogs to a dumpster near the missing child’s home a full 17 days after she disappeared?
(Q) Why did the PCSO refuse to immediately release tracking dogs that were just sitting in a vehicle the night HaLeigh Cummings vanished, as HaLeigh’s grandmother, Teresa Neves, repeatedly asked the deputies why they would not let the dogs search?
(Q) Why didn’t law enforcement immediately take the house doors into evidence? After leaving the doors at the scene for weeks, they then came back and took the screen door, but left the main door going into the house behind.
(Q) Why did law enforcement officials drag bedding from the house outside and hang it on a railing – contaminating any forensic evidence that may have been on it.
(Q) Why didn’t law enforcement contact the Goodwill Emporium, North Augusta, Georgia, to inquire about surveillance videos, after receiving a detailed credible report from a woman named Teresa Knight, who witnessed three individuals on the afternoon of February 10, 2009, purchasing clothing for a little girl named HaLeigh who (1) was being adopted (2) had special needs (3) had a sibling who could not come with (4) wore the same clothing size as HaLeigh Cummings. Note: Write Into Action spoke with a corporate manager at the Goodwill Emporium who said they had never been contacted by any law enforcement about their videos, adding that their local law enforcement had also never been contacted.
(Q) Why didn’t law enforcement contact the Tiger Express gas station in Brunson, South Carolina after receiving a report of a sighting of HaLeigh Cummings at their gas station on April 26, 2009? Note: Write Into Action contacted the Tiger Express and spoke with a supervisor who said they had never been contacted by any law enforcement and their videos had never been requested.
(Q) Why did the PCSO issue bogus press releases wherein they claimed to have checked out these leads – finding them to be nothing.
(Q) Why did Putnam County investigators scream at HaLeigh Cummings’ grandma, Teresa Neves, at a private meeting, threatening to have her “arrested” and telling her to “Shut the fuck up?”
ahhhh Vaq?? really
Cathy Jo
Post the site so I look too. Thanks
Vaq,if chad and cs had gotten married?? would he then have been legally responsible for the child support too,i know he wasn’t till they got married but curious after??
I don’t think Chad would have been responsible to pay for his spouses kids,that’s not really fair to the new spouse but I will look and see if I can find something on it
ty just curious!!
did you get the link KyMom??
whose the chad referred to in this??
Prevatt’s letter read in part: “I got interrogated by the detectives again about the HaLeigh case. You are not going to believe what they told me. They said your friend Joe Pytko went to the detectives and wrote a sworn affidavit that I was with Misty, White Boy Greg, and HaLeigh the night HaLeigh disappeared which you know I was at your house. Well anyways, he said that we were all over at a party at Chad’s house and HaLeigh got a hold of some Oxycontin and died. We supposedly freaked out and Greg put her in a black bag in my car and we took her to a pond by the Mondex. The detectives got my car from the junkyard yesterday to do some DNA CSI shit.”
As far as who is responsible for the child’s assumed and presumed death, well, Hardy has plenty to choose from; Misty Croslin, Gregory Page, Amber Brooks, Joe Pytko, Chad (somebody or another) Kristina ‘Nay Nay’ Prevatt, Joe Overstreet, Tommy Croslin, Timmy Croslin.
You know; whoever.
And as far as the evidence collected by HaLeigh’s maternal family and their fake FBI agent on March 22, 2009, the PCSO has no desire to know where that stuff came from, where it went, who put it there, or why.
Cathy Jo
Why did LE ask for Texas Equusearch to leave?
It’s election day. Is Sheriff Hardy re running for sheriff?
I’D like to know who the CHAD is in this????????
Now Timmy moves to Massachusetts, Joe lives out of state as well…both have to be extradited back to Florida so LE really needs to have concrete evidence against them before they can manage that. So what does LE do? They work on Misty and Tommy! And Misty keeps on failing her polygraphs because (as I suggested above) she is telling a story told to her, none of which is true. Tommy, I would guess, failed anything to do with NOT knowing what happened, but passed anything to do with being there when it happened, so his lawyer probably advised him that he should tell what he knows…and he probably has..
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
heyitsmekelly said,in May 18th, 2010 at 6:59 pm The ex-bride has never mentioned giving the children a bath. According to the original story , the father’s grandmother came over @7-7:30pm and saw them eating dinner on the porch. The ex-bride stated she put Haleigh to bed at 8pm because that’s her bedtime and she had school in the morning. Certainly there was no time to bathe the children. That’s why the police have questioned the timeline from the very beginning because it was nothing but lies !!!
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I so agree with this post, excellent points. If the story is even true I am sick as he put his needs of getting laid ahead of his kids, also IIRC MC had stated as did AS the kids ate on the porch that night, I live in Florida and it was very cold that night especially for young children (now maybe not cold for some that live in colder climates or even grew up there) but here it is very cold and even Ron’s pastor talked about how cold those first few nights were. If they were out in the sun at that temperature it might have been a tad believable, but not a chance in he77 those kids were outside and if they were they were freezing.
Also, if Chad hid his kids for over a year how did he end of getting custody of them. Color me confused on that one.
CathyJo63 said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
whose the chad referred to in this??
Prevatt’s letter read in part: “I got interrogated by the detectives again about the HaLeigh case. You are not going to believe what they told me. They said your friend Joe Pytko went to the detectives and wrote a sworn affidavit that I was with Misty, White Boy Greg, and HaLeigh the night HaLeigh disappeared which you know I was at your house. Well anyways, he said that we were all over at a party at Chad’s house and HaLeigh got a hold of some Oxycontin and died. We supposedly freaked out and Greg put her in a black bag in my car and we took her to a pond by the Mondex. The detectives got my car from the junkyard yesterday to do some DNA CSI shit.
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Chad Elliott, that is who Greg Page was living with at one time.
This is him
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=757039&IMG=59629
KYmom i don’t know,i just read that for the 1st time too!!!did you get the link i posted!
VQ
my son lives in New Mexico and his wife is resposible just as much as he is. Kinda crappy but I guess its the law.
Also what I could find is the new spouse is not liable to pay for the other spouse’s support..as it should be. All these dead beats would just start getting married so it would be somebody’s else’s responsibility to pay their obligations..
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 9:48 pm As far as who is responsible for the child’s assumed and presumed death, well, Hardy has plenty to choose from; Misty Croslin, Gregory Page, Amber Brooks, Joe Pytko, Chad (somebody or another) Kristina ‘Nay Nay’ Prevatt, Joe Overstreet, Tommy Croslin, Timmy Croslin.
You know; whoever.
And as far as the evidence collected by HaLeigh’s maternal family and their fake FBI agent on March 22, 2009, the PCSO has no desire to know where that stuff came from, where it went, who put it there, or why.
anybody know THE CHAD in this letter??
That is a crappy law, cricket.
CathyJo look up a few posts and I posted who he was 😀
STEVE BROWN, FORMER FBI AGENT, KNOWS WHO DID IT!
Steve Brown is a private investigator working for Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield. Steve knows the ending to our story, but his lips are sealed. The tension mounts. The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office must build their case carefully, if it’s going to hold up in court. Steve Brown has been working on the case for 10 months and has apparently put the pieces of the puzzle together. One telling comment of Brown’s: “There may be other people culpable, but as to who killed Haleigh, that’s not going to be a big surprise.” Try me Mr. Brown!
sheriff laurel & hardys career is DONE!
Maybe he should have cleaned his own house before messin with misty!
Hes head of the BLUNDER patrol! and making misty a patsy is not an INVESTIGATION!
Cathy Jo
I didn’t get the link. Can you post it again?
LoL Right Vaq,i agree!!!!!!!
I was curious tho because of motive maybe?
ty
KyMom,i just did?? if it doesnt show,go to reality chatter . com
did you get it KYMOM??
reality chatter . com… then look for haleigh articles,dunno an easier way,lol
unless the links post??
laurel and hardy,i just caught that lol
Hi guys I got the Nashville news clip for you featuring Granny Hollars.
It is still processing but good enough to watch now, enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce4jYBr_mQc
no one gets my jokes cat..
is it cause their not funny?
Granny says she thinks Ron got involved because he didn’t want anyone to think he’d let a drugged up/messed up Misty sit his kids that night, and Granny claims Misty and Tommy and Joe were messed up….how does she know? They told her, plus they always are!
Ron said he didn’t know anything about any cinder-block/bricks out back of the trailer. His excuse for not knowing there were lots out there was that he hardly ever went in the backyard! What? Why would he deny knowing about any cinder-blocks?
She keeps bringing up a machine gun! Aren’t they illegal? Yet, Ron was supposed to have had one and Joe was wanting to know where it was.
I’m joking 🙂
theyre funny OJ,when i see em’LoL
Been back and fro reading diff articles LoL
I still think Tommy relayed information to Misty thru PI’s lawyers (in the last couple of weeks) about the crimescene and what happened.. Everything he said may be true oh ya …with the exception that it may have been he who used the rope and the brick and was at that boat launch …..
After watching Misty on those video tapes after being charged and jailed for the drug crimes, if there was a time that she wud have come clean…I think it wud have been then..
It isnt impossible that she did know something but it sure seems unlikely.
So far .. she is the only one who has been honest.. everyone Especially Tommy.. is the obne who cracked under interrogation when he said he had been there that fateful night… Now he has ” cracked” again.. Yet Misty never cracked.. Seems strange to me.. She as shown us how weak and naive she really is . We have also seen that she isnt afraid to speak up about the truth.. We have seen her write to the governor about the food .. We saw her call 911 when her and her friends were accosted.. even when she had drugs with her…
I know ya were but i wasn’t rofl
i’d say you like that article OJ??
wth???????????????
I just saw posts from everybody right here where i am now but had different dates,wth??????????
thats whats getting me now too,Misty hasn’t cracked once has she?
misty also said “theres nothing to break me on”
because she knows nothing and has been telling the truth.. but now who knows, with the squeeze play LE had done to her, practically torture imo
all of them are being forced by LE to say anything to stop the torture..enhanced interrogation has only squeezed out LIES!
another blunder by LE!
of course they are all pointing the finger..
to stop the SADISTIC TORTURE by LE!
heaven help haleigh because pcso are not.
you’d think with tommy talking she would!
right,I do see what ya mean?? really i do!!
Where is the, well I mean a legitimate source that states Chad G hid his kids and IF he did how did he end up with custody.
Also, I know non-custodial kidnappings happen but out of all I have ever heard of there os only one I know of where the non-custodial parent didn’t disappear along with the child, and in the one I do know about the grandparents disappeared out of the country and LE knew about it ASAP. I just don’t believe they Sheffiled side took HaLeigh and hid her, LE would be watching every parent, grandparent and any relatives. Sorry I just can’t buy that theory as it’s way out there, although I wish like he77 it was true. Thank God Jr is now out of that enviroment and he will be about 17 when Ron gets out and won’t be dragging him around to score/deal drugs.
she’s the youngest too,shix I’d have comnfessed to everything i ever did! by now
no cystal will have him on drugs by then,sorry but you know me,lol
I don’t know tho Justone,we couldn’t locate it,still looking tho!
i don’t think imo the le looked anywhere but misty!!
Anything new tonight guys/gals?
seriously,the sheff’s had motive but no one looked,too focused on misty..thats jmho…
Random,I wish!!
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:36 pm no cystal will have him on drugs by then,sorry but you know me,lol
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omg your bad 🙂
he wasn’t taken out of a drug environment,if he was he wouldn’t be with cs…..ya know? jmo
well its true!!!!!! imo
yes, its true.
no way cs has cleaned up her act.
no way at all!! Thats why i feel bad for the lil guy!
if i thought so,I’d do a happy dance,honest,no offence Justone,its not you,,I can’t stand it when a mother does the same as the dad and one thinks theyre more fit,neither are when drugs are involved! imo
hopefully something will break soon..
think I’m gonna watch a movie..later cathy
I had 2 parents,that was 2 choices….2 people to make a choice to care for their children they had?
couldn’t atleast one have done the job alone ??
if my husband had ever left me……I’d still take care of my daughter,ya know!
both were alcoholics and both died alcoholics but gave their kids away? thats why i am sensitive………in that area!
k,later OJ
CathyJo, well I think Ron is by far the worse parent, CS hasn’t been arrested for any drug related crime and I looked in 10 counties, Ron has a record a mile longer and serious anger issue and abondonment issues due to his mother puttin her needs ahead of her kids. Also, GMA Hollars stated Ron and Misty got married because they thought the spousal privelige would keep them from testifying against each other.
Regarding Chad hiding his kids, there is no way he would have won custody and would have a criminal charge against him for kidnapping if that were true.
I do think Ron was abusive to not only Crystal but also Amber and Misty (well, Misty deserved it if it was after HaLeigh’s demise), so Jr should have never been left with him especially after he put an assault rifle in his mouth in front of Jr and threatened to kill Misty if he found out she was involved, then take others out with him and then himself. This comes from Tim Miller who I will believe in a New York minute over Ron as he is a known liar among other things. TM also stated after the 10 days in last fall when he spent time with Ron and Misty that the kids were either left at home by themselves or drug around to dope deals and shouldn’t be left in that cesspool, and that Ron and Misty were a damn disgrace to American society for what they put the kids thru and what they witnessed living with them.
i see your point,I do but Chloe was born with drugs in her!!
because she hasn’t been arrested really doesn’t matter,drugs are drugs even if you never get caught? right….I understand where youre coming from tho,i do!!!!!!!!!!
MG had her kids taken too,and dealt drugs!
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:46 pm no way at all!! Thats why i feel bad for the lil guy!
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No way-not buying it although it will be extremely hard it’s not impossible after all IIRC you were able to get clean weren;t you?
I fully agree with you,I think Ron is very abusive,I am only saying I disagree with taking jr out of the situation and putting him right back into one where the same could very well happen to him??
Wow you all… you have been putting out the articles tonight. Wow again- if all the information regarding the police is accurate- that is truly scary.
I think it’s possible, as I have experienced both the best and worst in law enforcement, lawyers, judges etc. There are the good and bad. One thing for sure, it is out duty as citizens to witness and verify that those in power do the right thing.
They should be held to a higher standard than ordinary civilians. If this information is even half right, and there is corruption etc. we need to systematically do something about it. If we do not then innocent people drawn into this, above and beyond Haleigh will be sacrificed. That is not acceptable. I do have some connections, and it seems that there are allot of good researchers here. This really concerns me. Everyone talks about being here for Haleigh. Now that we have this kind of information, it appears that we need to find a way to do something relevant with it. I am just, for the first time actually feeling physically ill. I feel as if someone slammed me in the gut.
yes i was,and i did……and i know she could too!
and i pray she is now but she failed a drug test after she got him back!
Exactly Homespain,it could be one of us!
someone we love!!
Exactly Justone,neither should have had those kids period….imo
but afer cs failed a drug test the judge let her keep custody?? how is that ok?
Its an interesting site Homespain,its believeable………lol
I also think imo it was wrong of ron to have underage girls,even crystal……he should have been taught better!
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:01 pm yes i was,and i did……and i know she could too!
and i pray she is now but she failed a drug test after she got him back!
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then why did you say “no way”?? Now you’re saying she could….so which is it? Also IIRC that test was back in Jan/early Feb, and we haven’t heard anything about her failing one since, and I’d bet DCF is watching that big time, too bad they didn’t while the kids were in the care of dope boy:(
i feel bad that misty or crystal went thru what they did at his expense,ya know?
no way did i believe shes clean NOW!
OJ’s glove said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:45 pm yes, its true.
no way cs has cleaned up her act.
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:46 pm no way at all!! Thats why i feel bad for the lil guy!
I was answering OJ when i said no way!
I would never say NO WAY ANYBODY COULD???
Or passing one??
when i do,ill be ok!
too bad they didn’t when dope girl had a baby in her stomach!
so don’t take it out on me,I was simply saying they shouldn’t take them from a doped family and send him to another one!
if thats wrong then i don’t care to be wrong!
CathyJo63 said,
in May 18th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
I also think imo it was wrong of ron to have underage girls,even crystal……he should have been taught better!
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He and Crystal were 2 years apart. If you want to blame anyone blame her parents, they allowed her to move in with him at 14. Amber was of legal age also.
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:08 pm no way did i believe shes clean NOW!
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Ok, I see-you got clean from a load of drug use from what you posted but she isn’t capable. I can assure you DCF is watching her like a hawk and I am grateful for that, and we never heard what narcotic she was one when Chloe was born, yet the hospital and DCF let her take her home. Gotcha
omg are you serious vaq?
I never once said that Justone,youre being arumentative,I KNOW anyone CAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I aint nuthin special but anyone can,don’t put words in my mouth!
I said when i hear she;s clean i will be ok….!
btw,I do blame the parents of misty and cs!!!!!!as well as tn!! on behalf of that!
but yea,I see what you mean about the girls parents,they should never have allowed that!
just one said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:18 pm CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:08 pm no way did i believe shes clean NOW!
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Ok, I see-you got clean from a load of drug use from
TY Thats so cold!
14,my goodness
but then again vaq,lol my parents didn’t allow me too date,i snuck and ended up pregnant and married by 15 so i dunno!!
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:08 pm no way did i believe shes clean NOW!
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CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:20 pm I never once said that Justone,youre being arumentative,I KNOW anyone CAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I aint nuthin special but anyone can,don’t put words in my mouth!
I said when i hear she;s clean i will be ok….!
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Sounded like you just stated that above? Not being argumentative just pointing out that you clearly state she is not clean and we have no idea if she is or isn’t only DCF knows that, and you seem to not have a grasp of the facts of this case, Crystal wasn’t even 2 yrs younger than Ron so that isn’t an issue with me in regards to Ron, now Misty and Amber are issues, have you been following this case from the beginning?
Also, I don’t think DCF is going to be calling you to tell you she’s clean or not, if Jr is taken away then we will know she didn’t get clean but as of now he is still with her as is Chloe, Chad’s 2 kids and Jr (and none have even got “stolen” ) so at this point she’s one up on Ron.
just one said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:18 pm CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:08 pm no way did i believe shes clean NOW!
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Ok, I see-you got clean from a load of drug use from what you posted but she isn’t capable. I can assure you DCF is watching her like a hawk and I am grateful for that, and we never heard >what narcotic she was one when Chloe was born, yet the hospital and DCF let her take her home. Gotcha
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Gotcha????? why are you so vindictive over the truth?
what narcotic she was on????
why is there one that won’t harm your baby and one that will?? a narcotic is a narcotic??
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:23 pm just one said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:18 pm CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:08 pm no way did i believe shes clean NOW!
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Ok, I see-you got clean from a load of drug use from
TY Thats so cold!
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How is that cold? Didn’t you state that as fact. If so I applaud you for getting clean, but would think you of all people could see that if you got clean other could too, and yes even Crystal
i quit,Justone,i am not saying another word,its useless………..i have been here every single day too but maybe i do forget some details as we hear so many!
CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:30 pm just one said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:18 pm CathyJo63 said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:08 pm no way did i believe shes clean NOW!
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Ok, I see-you got clean from a load of drug use from what you posted but she isn’t capable. I can assure you DCF is watching her like a hawk and I am grateful for that, and we never heard >what narcotic she was one when Chloe was born, yet the hospital and DCF let her take her home. Gotcha
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Gotcha????? why are you so vindictive over the truth?
what narcotic she was on????
why is there one that won’t harm your baby and one that will?? a narcotic is a narcotic??
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I had demerol with my kids and that is a narcotic, and I’m not being vindictive, simply pointing out that if you got clean others can too, why so hypocritical of others who have been where you were?
I don’t belueve shes clean now…….I m sure we’d have gotten that news by now but i pray she is yes!!!!!
Goodnite’
and i never said she couldn’t,thats where youre putting words in my mouth ,i never oonce said that,not onceeeeeee
I said she can yessssssssssssss but i dont believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yet!!!
when we hear ill be the 1st to applaud her!!!!!!!!!!! gnite
IM NOT,ANYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT BUT YOU!
You say what you want me to say and youre wrong!!!!!!!!!!
because i did,i knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww anybody else can!
now really goodnite guys
Well, like I stated I seriously doubt DCF is going to be calling you to assure you of her test results and the fact Jr is still there with all the publicity in this case tells me she is. What made you get clean since you were able to pull it off, I’m not bickering just asking a serious question? I certainly think she fully deserves a chance to raise her son since her daughter was murdered under the supervision of Ron who was a dope boy all along.
vaquera said,in May 18th, 2010 at 11:43 pm When does she find time to raise any kid when she is online day and night?
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I know mine shows on all the time because I never sign out.
I do have a question that nobody has answered yet, where it eh legitimate source that Chad hid his kids for a yr, and how was he able to obtain custody after a parental kidnapping?
Even Justone didn’t stoop to that,she simply said hers stays on too!!
JustOne I am truly sorry that i offended you and i do know crystal can i pray she does,i’ll be right there rooting for her!!!!!!!
its just i think we may have heard by now if she had but it doesn’t mean i am right??
Yes i was an addict and i know its hard for her!!!!!!!!!
i just hope she does it and who knows,she might be as sober as i am right now!!!!!
i don’t know??
but if she is i hope she lets media know and those of us who were rooting for her to know the good things in her life as they certainly showed all the bad in it! all i am saying!
JenM said,in May 18th, 2010 at 8:57 pm So does anyone agree on my 3 stooges theory above?
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I think it’s a real possibility. This case really needs new, experienced detectives to take a look at it.
crytal isnt here everyday just,but i appreciate you trying to help her! its ok!
I couldn’t agree more Me!
CathyJo, you didn’t offend me as I really wanted to know what motivated you as I know it must be incredubly difficult as I have a family member that struggles daily, was it for your daughter, yourself or just tired of it?
Also, I honestly don’t think anyone would even believe her if it she came out and stated it, it would have to be a removal of Jr to confimr she is not. I applaud anyone that can pull it together enough to beat any addiction.
Also I thing Vaq was prolly talking about either her FB page or MS page, and like i stated mine always shows that I am on as I never log out.
just one said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:34 pm Where is the, well I mean a legitimate source that states Chad G hid his kids and IF he did how did he end up with custody.
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One “source” of the info I think was Cobra…he spoke about it on BNN.
And how do you know he has custody of his kids? Personally, I doubt he does.
me said,in May 19th, 2010 at 12:09 am just one said,in May 18th, 2010 at 10:34 pm Where is the, well I mean a legitimate source that states Chad G hid his kids and IF he did how did he end up with custody.
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One “source” of the info I think was Cobra…he spoke about it on BNN.
And how do you know he has custody of his kids? Personally, I doubt he does
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Ok, I was looking for a legitimate source, but the custody is in the Baker County records, you have to go view them as you can view the cases but have to go in person to view them. Apparantly Chad’s ex lives in GA IIRC and hates Crystal because the kids are living with them
Crystal Sheffield is the biological mother of Haleigh Cummings, the 5-year-old who vanished from her North Florida home early Tuesday. Sheffield spoke to Nancy Grace on HLN tonight and some possible discrepancies in the story of the child’s disappearance seemed to emerge. A show transcript should be available here sometime this evening.
Based on Grace’s interview with Sheffield, it seems like the story of Haleigh’s sleeping arrangments isn’t straight.
At one point, Crystal Sheffield was told the same story that made it into most published accounts of Haleigh’s disappearance — that Haleigh was in the same bed with Ronald Cummings’s girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin and Haleigh’s little brother, Ronald Cummings Jr. Responding to Nancy Grace’s questions, Sheffield said, “I was told they was all three in the same bed,” but then she revealed that she had since heard a different story: “I’ve heard that Junior was in another room, and it was just and Haleigh in the bed and now I’m hearing that they were hearing that they were both in the other room and she was in the bed by herself, Haleigh and Junior was in their own room.”
Grace, a former prosecutor, probed deeper. She said, “Miss Sheffield, please go through that with me one more time. First you thought they were all three in the bed together sleeping, waiting on the father to get home. He was at work, then you were told what?”
Sheffield responded, “That first I was told they was all three in the same bed […] Then it was junior was in the kids’ room in his bed and it was Haleigh and Misty in their bed, in the big bed, and then I heard that Haleigh and junior were both in their room, in their own room not Misty’s room.”
Later in the same interview, Nancy Grace addressed the question of the open back door Ronald Cummings found when he came home from work that morning. Crystal Sheffield has some doubts about the story of the open door. Grace asked, “Crystal, you have a problem with the door as well, what are your thoughts?”
Sheffield answered, “Yes, I just, it’s just the door was locked like they said it was. Ronald said he locked that door when he left for work and its supposed to lead high up enough to where Haleigh could not reach it, I just don’t understand how somebody got in there and nothing was broke on the door.”
Nancy Grace said, “It was a padlock? Or a deadbolt, someone had to have a key…”
Sheffield replied, “A dead bolt, a dead bolt.”
Crystal Sheffield does not live with her children, so it isn’t clear as to how she knows some of these details. It is clear that there may be some interesting variations in the story Misty Croslin has told police since Haleigh Cummings disappeared. Based on Nancy Grace’s interview with Crystal Sheffield as well as articles like this one, published in the Gainesville Sun, it is also clear that there are deep divisions between the people who love the missing child.
Search and rescue groups are converging on Satsuma, Florida to help find Haleigh, and Putnam County authorities have said that everyone is a suspect, at the moment. Up to 44 sex offenders live within 5 miles of the Cummings residence, one of them less than a quarter mile away. Police have termed Haleigh’s disappearance an abduction, so surely the sex offenders are receiving a great deal of scrutiny.
weird Geraldo Video
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/02/nancy_graces_interview_with_cr.php
Mg’s canal story?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo&feature=PlayList&p=499361620C14C61E&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=13
Bring Haliegh back home!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM
I have posted my thoughts on CS and I think it is Extremely possible that she is involved in all of this. I think if she was such a good mom (or human being, as far as that goes), she would not of lost her children in custody to Ron. ALSO, I trust the judgment of the system (judge, services, etc) to put the children in the better parents custody, a heck of a lot more than someone’s opinion on here about what they think of it. I don’t think we are here to judge the custody decisions, as that is something we probably know nothing about and have none of the details and don’t personally know these people.
However, I can say that what Ive seen of CS, she is a Pathological Liar! But, I wrote about her above and not going to waste my breath on pointing out again what I think is the obvious.
CJ, you don’t owe anyone an explanation and don’t need to lower yourself to respond to argumentative people or purposeful instigations. Your opinion is your opinion. You can think whatever you like. I don’t always agree with everyone on here, but if there is something I find rude, I skip over it or consider reporting it to Jan. Some people just have a very rude tone and don’t realize it.
So, back to talking about Haleigh. I think she is alive somewhere and with CS’s family or Chad’s family or their friends. (see my posts above for that discussion). I also think other theories are possible too. I will continue to question my own theories and statements, instead of trying to blow someone else’s up. lol, thinking out of the box…something LE hasn’t done because they are too busy focusing on Misty.
Good Morning Friends!! or maybe Good Evening to some!!
I’ve been very busy w/my own children, soccer, baseball, homework, ect….so I have not had much time to read. Anything new??
When Ron gives his plea statement against Misty and Tommy regarding Haleigh, will you guys then finally drop the whole ‘Crystal did it’ scenario? What does it take? The one’s responsible for Haleigh’s death are in jail, all but except maybe one.
At this point Ron can not testify against Tommy and Misty regarding Haleigh since neither have been charged with anything regarding Haleigh.
Nobody knows with certainty exactly what happened to Haleigh so as far as I am concerned they are all suspects until the evidence shows that somebody was not involved, they are suspects in my book. I do not believe Crystal was involved BUT she has family members that I would not put it past them to do this.
Heres some answers:
(Q) Why did the PCSO ask a well-known search firm to leave and abandon their search after just a few short days? THEY DIDN’T. THIS IS INCORRECT. ASK THE LEADER OF THE FIRM, HE CONTINUES TO REPORT THAT THIS ISN’T TRUE.
(Q) Why did the PCSO decide to introduce three cadaver dogs to a dumpster near the missing child’s home a full 17 days after she disappeared?
THEY DIDN’T SUDDLEY DECIDE TO DO ANYTHING, THEY FOLLOWED A C.A.R.T PROTOCOL, WHICH SAYS THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU DO. FURTHER, THE DOGS SEARCHED A LARGE AREA, AND ALERTED ON THE DUMPSTER.
(Q) Why did the PCSO refuse to immediately release tracking dogs that were just sitting in a vehicle the night HaLeigh Cummings vanished, as HaLeigh’s grandmother, Teresa Neves, repeatedly asked the deputies why they would not let the dogs search?
THEY DIDN’T REFUSE, THERE IS A PROTOCOL TO GO BY, AGAIN, LOOK AT C.A.R.T PROTOCOL. FURTHER TRACKING DOGS WERE COMING FROM TWO COUNTIES AWAY. THEY HAD A BIT DOG ON SCENE WHO DID AN IMMEDIATE SEARCH.
(Q) Why didn’t law enforcement immediately take the house doors into evidence? After leaving the doors at the scene for weeks, they then came back and took the screen door, but left the main door going into the house behind.
WHEN YOU ULTIMATELY SEE CRIME SCENE REPORTS OF WHAT HAPPENED, YOU WILL SEE WHY THIS HAPPENED.
(Q) Why did law enforcement officials drag bedding from the house outside and hang it on a railing – contaminating any forensic evidence that may have been on it.
A PIECE OF BEDING WAS USED FOR THE INITAL DOG ON SCENE TO ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN A SCENT FROM.
(Q) Why didn’t law enforcement contact the Goodwill Emporium, North Augusta, Georgia, to inquire about surveillance videos, after receiving a detailed credible report from a woman named Teresa Knight, who witnessed three individuals on the afternoon of February 10, 2009, purchasing clothing for a little girl named HaLeigh who (1) was being adopted (2) had special needs (3) had a sibling who could not come with (4) wore the same clothing size as HaLeigh Cummings. Note: Write Into Action spoke with a corporate manager at the Goodwill Emporium who said they had never been contacted by any law enforcement about their videos, adding that their local law enforcement had also never been contacted.
THEY DID, THERE IS A REPORT ON IT, TELEPHONE RECORDINGS WITH A MANAGER, ETC.
(Q) Why didn’t law enforcement contact the Tiger Express gas station in Brunson, South Carolina after receiving a report of a sighting of HaLeigh Cummings at their gas station on April 26, 2009? Note: Write Into Action contacted the Tiger Express and spoke with a supervisor who said they had never been contacted by any law enforcement and their videos had never been requested.
THEY DID, THERE IS AN AUDIO TAPED COMMUNICATION BETWEEN INVESTIGATORS AND THE STORE WORKERS.
(Q) Why did the PCSO issue bogus press releases wherein they claimed to have checked out these leads – finding them to be nothing.
THEY DIDN’T ISSUE THAT PRESS RELEASE, THEY ANSWERED A REPORTERS QUESTION ABOUT LEADS RECEIVED FROM OTHER STATES, ESP. THE ONES LISTED ABOVE. THEY CLAIMED THEY CHECKED BECAUSE THEY DID, AND HAVE EVIDENCE OF SUCH COORESPONDENCE. (BY THE WAY, A STORE EMPLOYEE IS NOT GOING TO GIVE INFROMATION TO AN UNKNOWN CALLER, ESPECIALLY A CRAZY ONE FROM ANOTHER STATE)
(Q) Why did Putnam County investigators scream at HaLeigh Cummings’ grandma, Teresa Neves, at a private meeting, threatening to have her “arrested” and telling her to “Shut the f**k up?”
THEY DIDN’T, THERE IS A AUDIO TAPE OF THE CONTACT WITH TN, THE ONLY REASON SHE WAS CRYING WAS BECAUSE SHE BELIEVED THAT HER GRAND DAUGHTER WAS STILL ALIVE, AND LE WOULD NOT SAY THAT WAS THE FACT. SHE AS WELL AS EVERYONE IN THE CASE HAS BEEN ADVISED ABOUT LEAKING INFORMATION ABOUT THE CASE TO THE MEDIA, BECAUSE AS YOU SEE FROM THE QUESTIONS ABOVE, UNTRUE AND NON FACTUAL INFORMATION GETS INTO THE PUBLIC, AND HAMPERS AN INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE PEOPLE SPIN THINGS THE WAY THE WANT. THE FAMILY WAS INTRUSTED WITH INSIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION THAT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT NEED TO KNOW.
THATS FACT, NOT MADE UP INFORMATION FROM SENSATIONALISM FROM REPORTERS OR BLOGGERS.
Come ON…with all due respect, where do you get all your information?
Come on,
Sounds like you have some inside info. Thanks for providing it.
There is still discrepncy on why TM left Satsuma. This is one article saying that TM said that LE told them to leave. Article is on
WFTV. com dated Feb 16
“It’s heartbreaking for us, but we know what we’ve done. We’ve talked with law enforcement. They’ve told us this time, it’s best for us to scale back, let them do their investigation,” EquuSearch’s Tim Miller said.
Ronald Cummings can’t understand why the army of volunteers trying to find his daughter was sent home. “I know there are areas that have been untouched,” he said.
And there’s disagreement over why the volunteers are leaving. EquuSearch claims the sheriff’s office asked them to go, but Sheriff Hardy said he said no such thing.
Come On – THANK YOU! I don’t know where you get your info or who you truly are but I trust you and I trust the info you provided. I’m not sure why everyone is so suspicious of LE and thinks they are clueless. I for one will trust LE until they give me a reason not to. So far, that hasn’t happened. True, we don’t know why they do the things they do but we aren’t privy to all the info and evidence they have. There are things that are NOT for us to know at this point (if ever) as it could jeopardize the investigation. I’m not sure why people take things that the Cummings, Croslins, Sheffields and Neeves say as gospel when time after time we’ve seen it proven that they lie….yet people doubt EVERYTHING LE says and does when we have no proof they have lied. I don’t get it.
I believe justice WILL come for Haleigh. I have faith that LE has a LOT of info and evidence and is working on an iron clad case to provide that justice. God’s Speed to LE….and God Bless them for the thankless, demanding, underpaid, underappreciated and difficult job they do!
Thanks again Come On!
Good Morning All, Just caught up on all the posts I missed from last nite!
Good Morning Karri, Looks like no one is awake yet.
Well, I read the response’s above from ComeOn, and they give absolutely NO proof of anything! ComeOn, all you did is state the answers in an argumentative tone of ‘no they didn’t’ and ‘that’s not true’ and ‘yes they did’. Those are not facts, those are ‘your answers’ to the questions. I don’t see anything to back up your answers. So, not sure why some are saying you know something or have information?? I don’t read anything of the sort.
However, if you have proof that your answers are all correct, then maybe you can provide us with something? I would love to see it and hear it if there are the audio tapes you refer to.
I agree JenM. There is proof that the businesses were not contacted regarding a possible Haleigh sighting via the managers of those businesses own words.
There is proof that the hounds handlers drug out the bedding and had it on the ramp via a LE presser stating that when they brought out the bedding that skin cells may have blown off towards the river in the wind.
I have yet to see protocol that tells LE NOT to release tracking dogs on scene and instead wait several hours for dogs to come in from other counties.
I can see no valid reason for LE not to have taken the doors as evidence until AFTER the MH was released and people, including media, had already went in and out of the door.
As far as the investigation goes the nice thing about Florida is that everything will be released and we will see first hand just how well this investigation went or how bungled it was from the start.
Possibly, tomorrow we will get answers, and we can all stop arguing over who did what. That is of course if the information is shared with us. It really doesn’t matter who’s right and who has answers. What matters is that all those involved are justly punished for what has been done to Haleigh. An example needs to be made out of them to send a message that you cannot do these things to children and get away with it. You can’t sell dope on the streets that ends up in our children’s hands. Not one person in jail (or anyone for that matter) will learn from their mistakes if they don’t confess and own up to them. Until they can do that, they can sit their butt in jail until they rott.
Well, I don’t know the answers to any of those questions. But they do sound interesting. I would like to see the information that provides a factual answer.
I think saying things like: THEY CLAIMED THEY CHECKED BECAUSE THEY DID, AND HAVE EVIDENCE OF SUCH COORESPONDENCE. (BY THE WAY, A STORE EMPLOYEE IS NOT GOING TO GIVE INFROMATION TO AN UNKNOWN CALLER, ESPECIALLY A CRAZY ONE FROM ANOTHER STATE), provides no proof of anything, except an opinion of the answer.
Also, this sounds like another opinion….but yet at the end, claims it for fact and attacks bloggers of “making up information”. How can you state ‘why someone was crying’ as factual?Come On said: “THE ONLY REASON SHE WAS CRYING WAS BECAUSE SHE BELIEVED THAT HER GRAND DAUGHTER WAS STILL ALIVE, AND LE WOULD NOT SAY THAT WAS THE FACT”.
Then Come On says: “SHE AS WELL AS EVERYONE IN THE CASE HAS BEEN ADVISED ABOUT LEAKING INFORMATION ABOUT THE CASE TO THE MEDIA, BECAUSE AS YOU SEE FROM THE QUESTIONS ABOVE, UNTRUE AND NON FACTUAL INFORMATION GETS INTO THE PUBLIC, AND HAMPERS AN INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE PEOPLE SPIN THINGS THE WAY THE WANT. THE FAMILY WAS INTRUSTED WITH INSIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION THAT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT NEED TO KNOW”.
Really? I don’t see that asking questions puts untrue and non factual information into the public and is hampering an investigation! And it is an assumption that the family was intrusted with inside information. No one knows that, unless they are the family or the LE that gave them the inside info.
THATS FACT, NOT MADE UP INFORMATION FROM SENSATIONALISM FROM REPORTERS OR BLOGGERS.”
Sorry, it posted before I was done. The last part of above is:
ComeOn, you said: “THATS FACT, NOT MADE UP INFORMATION FROM SENSATIONALISM FROM REPORTERS OR BLOGGERS.”
What part is fact?
JenM, Also if haleigh had a medical problem and needed assistance they do live in fl and are close to the boarder and could easily take her to a surrounding country for assistance from another dr. JMO. (if CS had her)
True, but we have Drs here that would treat her. I think there are ‘do gooder’ Dr.s here and may be friends of friends. Pharmacists too. Getting meds and Dr. shopping seems to be no problem for these people. Not everyone knows about this case.
Besides when non custodial families take children, they ‘think’ they are doing what’s best for the child, but really it is a very selfish act and they don’t think too far ahead. From the likes of this group, none of them think too far ahead for anything.
Cathy what county was MG in when she was caught dealing. I would like to have a look.
No need to post link. I will search through
the official records for that county. Thanx in advance
JenM said,in May 19th, 2010 at 9:44 am Well, I don’t know the answers to any of those questions. But they do sound interesting. I would like to see the information that provides a factual answer.
I think saying things like: THEY CLAIMED THEY CHECKED BECAUSE THEY DID, AND HAVE EVIDENCE OF SUCH COORESPONDENCE. (BY THE WAY, A STORE EMPLOYEE IS NOT GOING TO GIVE INFROMATION TO AN UNKNOWN CALLER, ESPECIALLY A CRAZY ONE FROM ANOTHER STATE), provides no proof of anything, except an opinion of the answer.
Also, this sounds like another opinion….but yet at the end, claims it for fact and attacks bloggers of “making up information”. How can you state ‘why someone was crying’ as factual?Come On said: “THE ONLY REASON SHE WAS CRYING WAS BECAUSE SHE BELIEVED THAT HER GRAND DAUGHTER WAS STILL ALIVE, AND LE WOULD NOT SAY THAT WAS THE FACT”.
Then Come On says: “SHE AS WELL AS EVERYONE IN THE CASE HAS BEEN ADVISED ABOUT LEAKING INFORMATION ABOUT THE CASE TO THE MEDIA, BECAUSE AS YOU SEE FROM THE QUESTIONS ABOVE, UNTRUE AND NON FACTUAL INFORMATION GETS INTO THE PUBLIC, AND HAMPERS AN INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE PEOPLE SPIN THINGS THE WAY THE WANT. THE FAMILY WAS INTRUSTED WITH INSIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION THAT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT NEED TO KNOW”.
Really? I don’t see that asking questions puts untrue and non factual information into the public and is hampering an investigation! And it is an assumption that