It didn’t take Tommy Croslin long to start complaining after he was put back in Putnam County Jail in Florida. Tommy is presently behind bars facing drug charges along with his sister Misty Croslin and Ronald Cummings. Hope Sykes and Donna Brock were also arrested.
Ronald Cumming is the father of Haleigh Cummings that disappeared over a year ago. Misty Croslin was babysitting and she was the last person to see Haleigh.
Tommy’s attorney, James Werter, has filed a motion for Tommy on Monday claiming that Tommy has been harassed and threatened by authorities.
One of the complaints is that when he was moved back to Putnam County from the St. John’s County Jail, he was put into general population section in a cell with bad plumbing and ventilation.
Croslin complained that Putnam County Sheriff’s Office detectives have visited him just to harass him and threaten him saying they will tell the other prisoners false information about him that that apparently lead to some physical harm to Tommy.
Tommy also says that the detectives told him that he would be charged with the slaying of Haleigh Cummings if he doesn’t talk and that they will accuse him of being a murderer in front of other people. He was denied access to the telephone to speak with his attorney by the same detectives who had harassed and threatened him.
The motion also claims that Tommy was forced out of his cell by Captain Piscitello, Detectives Jon Merchant and Peggy Cone despite objections to any interview without benefit of his attorney. They told Tommy that he didn’t need an attorney and that the attorney of record and his private investigator were ratting him out and were going to testify against him in court.
James Werter is claiming that his client’s civil rights have been violated and he wants the detectives that are responsible for doing this to be held in contempt. This is the reason he wants to have his client transferred back to St. John’s County Jail. There has been a hearing set for this motion on July 16th.
At a pretrial hearing where Tommy faced the judge on the drug charges he pleaded no contest. Tommy is being charged with one count of possession, a third degree felony, and one count of trafficking in hydrocodone which is a first degree felony.
You can go here and read the motion that was filed on Monday courtesy of wesh.com.
The question here is, is any of this true? Has Tommy really been harassed and threatened as he claims he was. If he was these detectives have some answering to do.
I have been hearing what everyone is saying. You want to know what this has to do with finding Haleigh. I say it does in a certain way but then again it depends on who you think is guilty. If Tommy knows anything about Haleigh’s disappearance I am assuming that the detectives are trying to make him talk. Now if Tommy knows nothing then none of this has anything to do with finding Haleigh, but at least it will either take more drug sellers off the streets.
We all need to stick together on this. There is no need to fight over an opinion just because you don’t agree. Also name calling no matter how small it may be is NOT allowed in here.
Be sure to say your prayers for Haleigh. Ask God to bring this precious child home either way. It is way over time for this case to be solved. God bless all of you!
Jan Barrett
 Note from Editor – Jan Barrett – Thanks to a couple of the bloggers in here that refuse to end a feud between them I was force to close this thread’s comment section down. I have asked that it stop several times but my plea has been ignored. I warned this would happen and it was ignored as well. All the other threads are still open but the first one that brings that argument with them will get banned no matter how popular they are. I apologize to all the innocent ones for them having to suffer because of a few of the others. Read my last post in here please!
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Do you think anyone will believe Tommy over LE.? this case so messed up I don’t no what the truth is and where the lies lay.
Cricket on the news4jax article the following was stated:
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The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office responded to the allegations Thursday, saying while there was no official internal investigation, they did look into the matter.
“I’m not calling it frivolous. I’m just saying we are not going to respond to it at this point,” Chief Rick Ryan said.
Ryan did not address the specific allegations but said his investigators did not do anything improper.
“Croslin is in jail on drug charges facing sentencing,” Ryan said. “Our folks talked to him about another pending investigation, totally separate. Again, we’re just not going to respond to the allegations.”
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So they have admitted to questioning him, if he asked for an attorney and they did not cease the interrogation, they have violated his civil rights.
I am surprised he is in general with Ron being in general too.
I really don’t doubt PCSO doing that to him but proving it is another matter and it does matter to me no matter who it’s being done too. we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that protects all of us from this sort of thing but like I said proving it is another matter.
Why all of a sudden are they trying to get info from him when since last Oct. when he said he was at the mobile later and didn’t even have a lawyer they never gave him a LDT or anything.
This is exactly what I expected. They may feel he misled them about the river and whatever else he told them.
I’ been saying all along that Tommy should not have made that plea with no deal.
The police prosecutors and judge are all angry with Tommy Croslin.
I blame his attorney James Werter: went on televsion making statements, and taking a plea w/o a deal.
Was today the deadline for Ron to decide if he was going to testify against Tommy and Misty?
I have no clue what he could possibly have to testify against! He was caught red handed just like the rest! Thank you Jan for your dedication and post’s to keep informed.
I have to agree with vaquera on this one. He does have civil rights and regardless of what he has done or not done those need to be protected.
I too am wondering why all of the sudden they are pushing the issue of asking him questions about the Haleigh case. So far everything that he has told them is very suspect and he is a known and proven liar.
If he is being ‘mistreated’ I am sure it’s nothing compared to the way Haleigh was treated! I know the drug arrest is seperate from Haleigh’s case but geez! Grow up and take it like a man!
I have no problem with Tommy being in a stinky cell with no air conditioning. But if they started questioning him and he asked for a lawyer and they did not immediately stop the questioning, then yes, I have a problem with that. I also have a problem with PSCO putting him in Gen Pop.
The police are angry with Tommy Croslin. Perhaps he made them look bad by searching the river. Maybe he told them things and then changed his mind. I am sure they feel mislead.
Lady Sadie,
I have to agree with VQ on this , if LE did do this you no they didn’t tape it. I’m afraid this is going to wind up he said and they said.
This hole case is a mess. Sad really Sad.
goood shot okie222!!!!
(((((MeThinks…. Pink Panther))))
Tommy Croslin is a big whiner.
M/cent 15! Hello sista’!
Does anyone no if WBG is in jail ?
Remember how Tommy was complaining to Lindsy about the toilet in his cell. Tommy has a thing about a good operating toilet. LOL Does anyone know if he is still going before the Judge the 6th on the drug charges? The poor little children like Haleigh don’t get to call a lawyer. Tommy is lucky to have a lawyer looking out for him.
Macy,
Thank you,do you no what he was arrested for ?
also is he being held no bond ?
I don’t no how to look these things up.
I have no issue about TC’s living accommodations. I do have an issue of them putting him in GP with Ron. I also have a very big issue of PCSO violating anybodys Civil rights. TC and Misty and Ron all have attorneys of record, if PCSO wants to have a chat with any of them they should be contacting the lawyer.
They should have put pressure on TC 16 months ago knowing he was at the MH that day.
LadySadie said,in July 1st, 2010 at 5:41 pm I have no problem with Tommy being in a stinky cell with no air conditioning. But if they started questioning him and he asked for a lawyer and they did not immediately stop the questioning, then yes, I have a problem with that. I also have a problem with PSCO putting him in Gen Pop.
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I agree. They have very deliberately put his life at risk by putting him in general population. Can’t go much lower than that. They obviously want him very seriously harmed or killed. Disgusting.
me said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 5:10 pm
looking for Justice said,in July 1st, 2010 at 1:52 pm Why was Tommy put in GP? Ron is in GP!
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My guess is that the idiots at PCSO are so embarrassed by their screw up they are now hoping someone will kill him and they can pretend the case is closed.
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ding ding ding and misty too
TC was in protective custody all the time he was in St Johns but Putnam thinks it was okay to move him to Putnam and put him in general population. It is so obvious why they did that.
Cricket said,in July 1st, 2010 at 5:44 pm Lady Sadie,
I have to agree with VQ on this , if LE did do this you no they didn’t tape it. I’m afraid this is going to wind up he said and they said.
This hole case is a mess. Sad really Sad.
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The fact he is in general population will be well documented…not he said, she said.
Where I come from, LE would have to video record any interview that took place….so again, maybe not he said, she said. And if there were civilian witnesses, they may have something to say.
And Werter will be able to say that PCSO either did not contact him about the interview, or that they did and he said no….so again, not he said, she said. If Werter pursues this, I believe PCSO is in trouble.
Why is Tommy afraid of being in GP?
Lillymae said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Why is Tommy afraid of being in GP, especially after all that big talk about what he would do to Joe during one of Daddy Hank’s visits?
I sure hope it’s not true. Can you imagine the impact it could have if they do discover evidence pointing to tommy? Damn, it could all be thrown out. I wouldn’t think they would be that dumb…but then…
I know Tommy is not afraid of Ron. What was that Tommy called Ron?
OJ’s glove said,in July 1st, 2010 at 6:02 pm me said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 5:10 pm
looking for Justice said,in July 1st, 2010 at 1:52 pm Why was Tommy put in GP? Ron is in GP!
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My guess is that the idiots at PCSO are so embarrassed by their screw up they are now hoping someone will kill him and they can pretend the case is closed.
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ding ding ding and misty too
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Yep. I sure hope they aren’t dumb enough to put Misty in general population. I doubt they’ll try it now that they’ve been exposed.
It seems that LE is not denying interviewing TC so it should have been recorded.
Tommy will never prove he was mistreated, but I believe him. His story is consistent with what I have observed with respect to the treatment of prisoners in jail.
Maybe he will tell on baby sister this way
If it is proven that they have done this, numerous other people serving time who had these officers as witnesses against them, will probably be looking at having their convictions reviewed. Dumb, dumb police. I hope they are quickly suspended from duty.
Lillymae, Tommy should not be in GP because PSCO has made it very well known that they are questioning him in regards to a child murder, and the father of the child is in GP at the same jail. If Tommy had anything to do with Haleigh’s case, I expect LE to follow the rules and get that information legally, not put at risk the people they are charged with caring for, whether they be prisoners, criminal or not. We all have constitutional rights LE is supposed to uphold those rights not violate them.
Constitutional rights are afforded to everyone–EVEN Tommy Croslin. He is in if I recall on DRUG CHARGES, not the Haleigh investigation. This is not a “he said/she said.” If I am not msitaken most if not all interrogations should be taped/videoed to maintain the integrity of the case. If PSCO forcibly moved Tommy from his cell to question/interrogate/harass/intimidate him about the Haleigh investigation WITHOUT giving him the chance to have his attorney present (any competent cop knows the attorney has to be notified unless Tommy signs a waiver that he does not want his attorney present which I seriously doubt he would do at this juncture) then they violated his basic civil rights. Like WhyLie and I stated earlier look at the John Couey case (Jessica Lunsford murder). A child murderer could have walked free. This is not frivolous at all–it is a RIGHT we are all afforded under the Constitution. Frankly, I could care less about his bad ventilation or poor living conditions (He is not in the Holiday Inn and shouldn’t expect to live like that) but one poor child is missing, then I have to wonder about the integrity of LE with these underhanded tactics. LE would not have to intimidate of harass IF they had evidence and that just goes to show me that they have next to nothing. LE needs an investigation done on themselves–because as an outsider looking in they have some serious ethical issues to contend with as well as legal ones. And we expect them to find Haleigh? I hope the one thing to come of this is that someone else takes this investigation over–FOR HALEIGH’S SAKE!
LadySadie,
Very well said. I totally agree.
It’s probably not le thats picking on him, it’s probably the inmates. I agree there may have been some shady reasons for placing him there, but damn this guy has to grow up…he’s in county jail, not prison. He really should shut the heck up and start growing a set big enough to back up his behavior and his mouth. He talked a big line to the investigators, spent alot of tax money on a search, you bet they’re pissed. I’d be pissed too. Yeah yeah if his rights were violated, then the cops are frickin idiots, but still, what a big baby.
Robin,
Also very well said and ITA. I hope the officers are quickly suspended/fired and fresh ones brought in.
Me,
I understand it might be law that they record all interviews with inmates but doesn’t that tape recorder have to be turned on, if so they don’t have to turn it on.
I agree that GP will be documented .
methinks,
I don’t think I understand what you are saying. You do understand that by putting him in gp they knowingly put his life at serious risk? You understand they have a duty of care, and that this does not ordinarily happen? Have you ever heard of an alleged child sex offender being put into and surviving general population? You don’t care if young people convicted of drug offences are murdered? I don’t understand?
Cricket,
If they haven’t turned it on, they’ve got some explaining to do, and the Judge will be far more likely to disbelieve them and think it wasn’t turned on for a reason. Where I live, they have to record them for this very reason, so that the person being interviewed can’t come back and say they were coerced etc.
He placed himself at the scene. They didn’t. He has rights. I’d bet he just wants his cozy little comfy cell back. He doesn’t appear too concerned for anyone elses rights, don’t his children have a right to have a father around to support them? What about them tommy? toughen up pup!
Any and every criminal defence lawyer who ever lost a case with these officers as witnesses, where their clients claimed they were somehow coerced etc, will be pulling out and dusting off those files today. This could cost Putnam County a fair bit of money. Obviously, if these cops did that, they will need to go.
methinks,
Still don’t understand I don’t think. So, are you saying he deserves to be killed, or that you don’t care if it happens? You think everyone who lies to LE should be killed for it? Even if they were pressured to lie?
Hi Lady..
greetings to everyone!
hmmm.. puzzling.. so does this mean that Tommy and Ronald are in the same jail?
me, yes I understand all that. I agree that he could be in danger so they should place him in protective custody…I’m not nessesarily defending le, yet I do understand the anger they must have to take home everynight. NO they are wrong to violate his rights, if it’s true. I personally think he’s up to his azz in the Haleigh disappearance if only for helping hide her body…he addmitted that. sympathy? damn it’s tough, but your right, He shouldn’t be placed in harms way.
I agree ME the other officers will testafy that the abuse never happened. They are angry with Tommy. Chances are the prosecuors and judge are angry with him also.
methinks said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 6:16 pm
It’s probably not le thats picking on him, it’s probably the inmates. I agree there may have been some shady reasons for placing him there, but damn this guy has to grow up…he’s in county jail, not prison. He really should shut the heck up and start growing a set big enough to back up his behavior and his mouth. He talked a big line to the investigators, spent alot of tax money on a search, you bet they’re pissed. I’d be pissed too. Yeah yeah if his rights were violated, then the cops are frickin idiots, but still, what a big baby.
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Doesn’t matter how pissed they are, they have to uphold the law and if any info is gleamed this way it would never hold up in court. This isn’t China, Russia, North Korea or Cuba where LE can act like a bunch of jack booted thugs and do whatever to get a confession out of someone.
And we’ve caught Hardy in another lie…and a real nasty one at that.
I do vaquely recall Tommy stating on a jailhouse call about the Sheriff’s son was into drugs. Then that very son getting arrested and subsequently bailed out weeks later. Is this the Sheriff’s way of “supporting” his son (IMMS–and the sheriff said he was going to support him) and exacted his revenge (by the interrogation/intimidation of Tommy and the veiled threats of “ratting” him out to other inmates that could cause Tommy to be seriously harmed)? With this case, the ONLY thing that would suprise me is they actually solving it!
vaq, agreed. This probably isn’t les first rodeo. They’re probably very accomplished at the illegal shit they get away with.
Tommy said LE was pressuring him to pin it on JO, and then when he does, they are going to get ticked and put his life in jeopardy? PCSO needs to be looked at very closely. Just because they have a badge and carry a gun does not mean they are above board and ethical, or they are not capable of breaking laws. We all saw and heard many months ago about one of those detectives giving information regarding the case to KP. How ethical was that?
IF Tommy had anything to do with Haleigh’s case I do NOT want to see him walk free from it because PSCO were stupid and acted illegally. IF Tommy had anything to do with Haleigh’s case, we and her family may never know about it now because of PSCO’s stupid mistake. LE does NOT have the right to violate anyone’s constitutional rights because they are “mad” at that person.
John W Sharp said,in July 1st, 2010 at 6:31 pm I agree ME the other officers will testafy that the abuse never happened. They are angry with Tommy. Chances are the prosecuors and judge are angry with him also.
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The fact he is in gp will be well documented. They can lie all they like. And the “interview” is likely on video. My guess is the Judge and prosecutors will be mad at LE if any of this is true. They’ve messed up the entire investigation, and now may cost the county a small fortune in payouts for civil right violations, and there would certainly be conviction appeals lodged by other inmates.
Tommy should have never been placed in GP, I question why they transferred him to begin with. If I am not mistaking didn’t they ship him sometime in the evening, why not with the early-bird court transfers? Did they do a ‘special ride’? It all stinks!!
WHINE and cheese party tonight in honor of tommy.
Imo, this gets looked and its detremined nothing was done wrong.
I agree with methinks, he needs to grow a pair. He’s going to need them in next 10 years like he won’t believe.
WhyLie, excellent posts this evening. Thank you.
Putnam County jail general population since June 24 (or so) has included Ronald Cummings, Tommy Croslin and Greg Lewis Page! ouch.
Macy,
The reason I asked is because I just read that LE beat the hell out of him and put him in jail no bond.
Police get away with this because the prosecutor won’t prosecute and the judges won’t judge.
Greg Lewis Page cannot be bonded out; that’s what the $0 bond amount means. He’s stuck there.
Macy,
Thanks
this is Bull**** !!! Tommy may be the biggest piece of dung on the planet (i’m not saying he is) but while in custody his safety is the responsibility of the DOC. Putting him in gen pop is reckless given it is general conjecture that he may be involved in a child missing. On top of that is the fact that the child in questions father is in the same institution! In the DOC (not county jail) they would never allow them to be at the same “yard”/institution. I thought when they moved him it was to have better access to him on a daily and to squeeze him. Thats exactly what they are doing! They are gonna cut their own throats cuz his case is going to get thrown out.
Between the cops and the croslins, there is still a little girl missing. I would be mortified if this law inforcement agency were investigating my missing child, and if it were my loved one sitting in tommys shoes. The facts aren’t out yet. If it comes to be that once again tommy is spewin’ bull#$%^ , well then what? I guess I’m just saying I would be less surprized to find out le commited these offenses than to find out tommy is just making it up.
Here in Cali, and the jails I’ve worked in… I’ve seen inmates walk free or win large amounts of cash, just because “minor offenses” against their civil rights occurred!
The reason I ask is because he supposed to have gotten the hell beat out of him by LE and asking him about Haleigh, and holding him on no bond.
Gp is gp…he’s going there at some point in a prison. U think times won’t be bad for him there if they think he hurt haleigh?
He has said through his attorney who reps him today like back then…he was there and saw joe with haleigh in the car, right?
That’s all he needs to tell other prisoners and they’ll leave him alone. Joe did it, remember? I didn’t do it, it was joe, guys, not me.
I think le will keep an eye out for his safety. This was to ‘scare’ him and it worked. He ran straight to the lawyer becasue he got scared.
What happened to tuf guy tommy? Hmmm…not so tough outside a private cell. Imagine that.
Jaba, with all due respect, the “Joe did it” defense is not going to fly in GP. Especially not with RC there!
robin said,in July 1st, 2010 at 6:33 pm I do vaquely recall Tommy stating on a jailhouse call about the Sheriff’s son was into drugs. Then that very son getting arrested and subsequently bailed out weeks later. Is this the Sheriff’s way of “supporting” his son (IMMS–and the sheriff said he was going to support him) and exacted his revenge (by the interrogation/intimidation of Tommy and the veiled threats of “ratting” him out to other inmates that could cause Tommy to be seriously harmed)? With this case, the ONLY thing that would suprise me is they actually solving it!
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Robin,
I also recall Tommy very publicly outing Hardy’s son as a drug dealer. And his son was only just released on bail 2 weeks ago, and I think some of his co-accused may also be in there. Another reason to not have him in general population….those inmates don’t like rats.
Query whether Hardy did this in part for payback for Tommy ratting on his son? Whatever the reason, a terrible abuse of power and these cops need to be fired asap.
Tommy wanted to talk tole pretty bad awhile back so he tells gma h to get his attorney and get with le. Then they search a river.
tommmy wants things to happen for him at a time of his choosing, doesn’t work that way anymore, tc, doesn’t work that way.
What PCSO has done is not a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing. There was absolutely no reason for them to move TC out of St Johns PC to Putnam county GP, well except in the hopes he would get seriously hurt or killed.
It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. but for now I must say goodnight,cuz’ it’s soo hot in this house , I gotta’ go find a lake to jump in! night all.
it is wrong wrong WRONG imho and i’m no big Tommy fan!
they must really run a kingdom unto themselves to have the brass to do this ….so blatant!!! imho
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 6:54 pm Tommy wanted to talk tole pretty bad awhile back so he tells gma h to get his attorney and get with le. Then they search a river.
tommmy wants things to happen for him at a time of his choosing, doesn’t work that way anymore, tc, doesn’t work that way.
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Jaba–Tommy has not been charged nor convicted of Haleigh’s disappearance and he should be afforded the same Constitution rights as anyone else in the United States. Whether nothing comes of it or not, I guarantee you it will be looked at by someone independent of that Sheriff’s Dept. It has nothing whatsoever to do with growing a “set” and everything to do with the integrity of this case. It is about finding Haleigh–not convicting someone in jail with mass beatings/physical harm by other inmates because LE can’t grow a set and do their JOB LEGALLY and ABOVEBOARD. INVESTIGATE NOT INTIMIDATE! JMO
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 6:51 pm Gp is gp…he’s going there at some point in a prison.
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You are 100% wrong. People considered “rats” (remember Tommy ratted out Hardy’s son) and those suspected of harming children, serve out their entire prison terms in protection.
amen Robin
WhyLie said,in July 1st, 2010 at 6:54 pm What PCSO has done is not a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing. There was absolutely no reason for them to move TC out of St Johns PC to Putnam county GP, well except in the hopes he would get seriously hurt or killed.
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Exactly. There could be no other reason for putting him in gp….they had to expect he would either suffer grevious bodily harm or death. These cops seriously need to go and need to be sued. Way out of control.
Mrsm,
I hear ya’ 🙂
I was just funnin at tommy. He needs to make an index card on him of who did it besides him so he can give that to a jail tuf who may want to kick his ass. Like a ‘get out of a beating, free’ card. 🙂
He won’t be hurt in the county jail unless he runs his mouth.
This is a scared man facing the loss of everything he has in the world for probably 5-10 years.
He’s whining like prisoners do to gain something. Look how many frivilous lawsuits are filed by prisoners…
We’ve seen misty complain about food as well, when in reality, its probably the first time in years she’s had 3 , or more, squares a day.
Imo, its all for show.
I do want it investigated and looks like we will have a hearing on it fairly soon.
TJ did an interview with Hardy back in Feb. Hardy at that time said that the jail is severely understaffed. It was said that the jail population was much higher then legally allowed and there was mention of the jail being taken over by the Feds. It was said by Hardy that they have the lowest bonds amount and that they are not serving warrants because of no space at the jail. BUT he has space to bring TC to Putnam from St Johns. Yeah Right. And we are supposed to believe that?
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:02 pm
He won’t be hurt in the county jail unless he runs his mouth.
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Ummm…..you obviously don’t understand how jails work and why they have protective custody in jails.
Me,
You are WRONG 500%…:). I win, I said 500%… 🙂
I don’t think tommy will be in pc in the prison he goes to.
If tommy knew imms, a lot of others did too and we don’t know who turned a UC imms’ way, do we?
Tommy is a 2 bit thief who steals dishwashing soap and guns from blind people. He also deals when it comes his way. He’s nothin more than that. Oh well, he is a liar too, forgot that.
He will gp in prison, imo.
We’ll see soon enough.
Me–I agree with you 6:53 post. Someone needs to clean house at PCSO and I would start with the TOP DOG. He said publicly that firing Haleigh is a TOP PRIORITY and yet he advocates this type of abuse of power by his detectives? Nope this type of power was not for finding Haleigh but covering up a shady/inept investigation to begin with. Its their own fault they believed Tommy and ran with that expensive search–No One but theirs. Tommy has lied repeatedly and yet they believed him this time? YEAH RIGHT! Fire them all! But then I thought Peggy Cone should have been fired when she shared information to Kim Picazio in the first place. NO FAITH whatsoever this case can be solved with the LE in place right now. Bless Haleigh and hopefully someone else can come in and start looking at this case objectively!
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:08 pm Me,
You are WRONG 500%…:). I win, I said 500%…
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No, I’m not. Jails are a big part of my job and I know what I am talking about, but you can believe what you want.
If you don’t believe me, you can listen to BA Cent….she’s also spent a lot of time in jails and know how they work.
Tommy can request to join Joran Joran van der Sloot in that rat hole where he is. I wonder if he will complain about the plumbing there.
I have as good an idea as you, I bet.
Tommy is no ‘rat’ or ‘snitch’ to me. He hasn’t given up anything anyone can prove.
He’s just a thief in prison for a few years. Like so many others we never hear about.
He will have a hearing, though. So we will see what’s up.
robin,
Yep, and I hope they clean house sooner rather than later. I assume the LE involved will be speaking to lawyers today and hopefully the matter will be investigated by officers independent of PCSO.
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:13 pm I have as good an idea as you, I bet.
Tommy is no ‘rat’ or ’snitch’ to me. He hasn’t given up anything anyone can prove.
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I doubt you do, but whatever.
And Tommy might not be a rat or snitch to you, but he sure is to Sherrif Hardy’s son and the 5 that were arrested with him.
Jaba, I will have to agree with ME! Only, I’ve spent a lot of time in jails, because I werked in them LOL!!
I’m not that worried about your resume. I feel you have a great handle on things.
We disagree, oh well. Happens all the time here.
🙂
LOL. My jail visits are all for work too! Not employed by one, but my work requires me to visit them frequently. I’m one of those many people who profit from crime without committing it!
maybe Tommy requested to be moved
I really don’t think ron will mess with him physically. He has his own court crap to contend with…an assault while awaiting sentencing wouldn’t look too good on his card. Maybe if they throw them in the same prison…then maybe…while tommy deserves to be treated according to law, it’s also important to remember that he did this to himself…I recall him using the haleigh card before to his advantage (placing himself at the scene) how long should he be allowed to use this tragic situation to aide him in his self induced bull? I, for one am getting alittle sick of it. However, le has made a mess out of the investigation and they too, are using poor haleighs sad situation to cover their butts. Where the hell is the FBI? Can’t they step in before le screws it up any worse or shucky darn someone gets a punch in the nose?…or worse?
If someone here wErked for the jails in florida in question on this, I’d take everything as gospel. Truth is we don’t know. Just like we don’t know that every SO in putnam county is guilty until they go to trial. Or any car thief is guilty until they go to trial.
A one side motion filed by a convicted felon doesn’t mean any of its true. That’s why we have a court system and a grievance procedure.
tommy will get his day in court over this.
It doesn’t mean it’s not true, just because of his charges!
Ron aint looking to fight over this before his sentence. He’s trying to get 15 instead of 25.
All his big boy talk about killin somone is BS , imo. ron is half as tough as he makes others think he is. Look at his ‘victims’ in the past? Teenage girls.
Maybe it wasn’t true either that LE pressured a blind man to press charges on somebody he did not want to press charges for taking a gun that was already returned to him. Maybe the victim lied about what LE said to him.
I have read the Putnam county forum, if anybody thinks that PCSO is above board go read what the locals have to say about them, including the fact that Hardy’s son has been dealing pills for years without anybody bothering him. Funny that as soon as Tommy’s jail conversation was put out to the world to see, naming Hardy’s son as a pill head, he gets busted.
jaba if I remember correctly Ron has already whipped TC’s rear end once before, and I totally believe that if Ron is convinced TC did something to hurt Haleigh, there will be no stopping Ron. He has nothing to loose at this point.
Doesn’t mean it is true because he said it happened the way it did.
This is all designed to get a better sentence for tommy, imo.
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:27 pm Ron aint looking to fight over this before his sentence. He’s trying to get 15 instead of 25.
All his big boy talk about killin somone is BS , imo. ron is half as tough as he makes others think he is. Look at his ‘victims’ in the past? Teenage girls.
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Goodness Jaba. What is wrong with you? He’s never been charged for anything to do with teenage girls and you know that.
And in case you didn’t know, Ron is not the only other inmate in that jail. All inmates hate people who mess with kids, not just Ron. You really should read up a bit on prisons before you make comments like that.
WhyLie said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:28 pm Maybe it wasn’t true either that LE pressured a blind man to press charges on somebody he did not want to press charges for taking a gun that was already returned to him. Maybe the victim lied about what LE said to him.
I have read the Putnam county forum, if anybody thinks that PCSO is above board go read what the locals have to say about them, including the fact that Hardy’s son has been dealing pills for years without anybody bothering him. Funny that as soon as Tommy’s jail conversation was put out to the world to see, naming Hardy’s son as a pill head, he gets busted.
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Even more interesting that just weeks after Hardy’s sons arrest, Hardy deliberately puts Tommy’s life in jeopardy and lies to the public about why he was brought to Putnam.
me, exactly. Hardy must think the public is pretty flipping stupid.
Hasn’t been charged…yep, never was. You are right.
And I’m sure he never had sex with misty at 16…no, not ron. He waits. Yeah, right.
He controlled poor little misty and raped her becasue of her age.
But heck, if one want their daughter to hand around with ron or live with him full time, that’s their choice. Looks like that backfired on the croslins.
It seems some of them are pretty flipping stupid….lol. But just some of them….lol. I think Hardy’s days are numbered. I won’t be surprised if they are all suspended from duty this week. I bet they are all keeping some lawyers busy today.
No need to read up, but thanks for looking out for me.
I’m aware of how it works.
Jail and prisons are rough.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
Robin, You are so right. My son had a guy ready to talk and this smarta** came in and the guy asked for a lawyer because he didn’t like the(cop).My son was called by the judge to testify.He said I know you won’t lie and don’t let anyone intimidate you.My son said yes,he asked for a lawyer.They had a good case against this guy and had to let him go because of that dummy.
OK. I’m not even sure I can post here, but I’m going to try, regardless.
The PCSO has completely bungled this damn case
and I’m sorry if you disagree, but opinions are allowed here, right?
This, in MY opinion is what they should do next: release to the public and press whatever evidence they have. Why not? This case grows colder with each passing hour. Maybe if they were to, say, for instance release what they found at the trailer, maybe a family member or friend or someone with knowledge of said trailer, its layout and contents would hear something in that evidence that would trigger a “holy s**t” moment of epiphany. In other words, there may be a party that has knowledge that they don’t REALIZE they have. Maybe someone, upon hearing that evidence might just say “wait…I KNOW what’s wrong with that picture”. THAT”S what I think (just MHO) the PCSO should do. What have they got to lose??
Jaba–You are right that Tommy will get his day in court so you better get that buttery popcorn ready because I guarantee you there will be BOMBSHELLS. Since your obvious scorn for those “lying Croslins” is so evident, then you should be in for some real ENTERTAINMENT. LOL JMO——-I say the FBI needs to step in before this investigation turns into the sideshow 3 ring circus it has been for 16 months. Poor Haleigh!
robin said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:45 pm Jaba–You are right that Tommy will get his day in court so you better get that buttery popcorn ready because I guarantee you there will be BOMBSHELLS. Since your obvious scorn for those “lying Croslins” is so evident, then you should be in for some real ENTERTAINMENT. LOL JMO——-I say the FBI needs to step in before this investigation turns into the sideshow 3 ring circus it has been for 16 months. Poor Haleigh!
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LOL. Personally I think Jaba should forget the popcorn that day….she might choke on it.
I wonder if LE could be in for criminal charges in relation to putting Tommy in general population?
I do hope the FBI step in too. Obviously Hardy is not fit to run PCSO.
Me, you are also correct. In prison they are put in protective custody for their time there and sometimes they are still found dead. I think they put him in gp so Ron or someone else could get to him. Then they could say Misty & Tommy did it. They would find a way to let Ron go,and say case closed.jmo
Grandma of 5 said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:49 pm Me, you are also correct. In prison they are put in protective custody for their time there and sometimes they are still found dead. I think they put him in gp so Ron or someone else could get to him. Then they could say Misty & Tommy did it. They would find a way to let Ron go,and say case closed.jmo
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Yep. Sad but true, it looks that way. Also for a bit of payback for what he did to the Sherrif’s son I suspect. All IMO of course.
Isn’t it ironic that they have enough to charge Hardy’s son with child endangerment, but not enough to charge anyone with that in relation to Haleigh. Who are the real criminals here?
Further: we keep hearing that Ron is going to get a ‘deal’ for testifying against Misty. This makes NO SENSE if it regards the drug case where she is caught dead on film, audio and by the cops. COULD IT BE POSSIBLE that whatever the cops have in the Haleigh case that Ron knows what happened but isn’t involved and that with whatever evidence the cops have AND with Ron’s testimony they have enough to chargeMisty with SOMETHING in regard to Haleigh’s disappearance/death? Because there doesn’t seem to be any reason for them to need Ron’s testimony in the drug case.
Finally…I personally believe that Ron is totally involved in this OR at least he knows what happened. It’s hard to imagine that a guy with Ron’s temper couldn’t have scared whatever
Misty knows in ALL THE TIME they spent together
since Haleigh ‘vanished’. SOMETHING is TERRIBLY
wrong here. Just my opinion.
I just read the article on Tommy,OMG They’ll all walk no doubt! oman!
me said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:53 pm Isn’t it ironic that they have enough to charge Hardy’s son with child endangerment, but not enough to charge anyone with that in relation to Haleigh. Who are the real criminals here?
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx No shit huh! funny how that works.
I have no problem with any of them having their day in court and doing the time they are given for the crimes they are convicted of, although I do not think the mandatory minimums fit the crime. I do, however, have a big problem with those that wear a badge, who have sworn to uphold the law, trampling all over our Constitution.
TC is in jail for drugs, not for anything to do with Haleigh being missing, or so PCSO wants us to believe. Some of us believe differently. If it were not for Haleigh being missing, none of them would be in jail for trafficking.
If TC is in jail for something totally unrelated to Haleigh’s case then why are the lead detectives going to the jail, dragging him out of his cell against his wishes, not allowing him access to his attorney, questioning him regarding Haleigh’s case, even though he requested the presence of his attorney?
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:50 pm Wow, cj, didn’t I just read jans article at the top of the page about name calling? And here you come at me.
I have not said a word to you or about you today.
Your attacks were removed last night by Jan. I didn’t make any attempt to contact her or anyone else to delete your words. I like your words.
Seems jan will have to take time to celan this up as well.
Have a good day.
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jaba,
I don’t want to get in the middle of this, but I just want to say that if Jan read the posts, I doubt very much she missed how you deliberately seem to provoke certain posters.
Why can’t we all just get along? You are obviously upsetting CathyJo…perhaps you could try just a little bit not to do that….then she’d have a better day, I’m sure.
I too believe that if Ron is convinced Tommy hurt Haleigh, there will be no stopping him. I think he meant every word he said on the 911 call. I don’t think he wants to add more years onto his time, but I don’t think he will be able to control it. He’s a hot head. And you know the other inmates will be trying to cause s*+t. They don’t have anything else to do. I don’t think anyone will even see it coming until it’s too late, which will be a shame if Tommy isn’t guilty of harming Haleigh. Not saying either way because I don’t know.
CathyJoe–Did you read the article on Tommy? I am dying to hear what you think. And you are absolutely correct this NOT entertainment at all to some. Its about a child that has been missing for over 16 months and a family that deserves some answers. Ckurrilla–I agree with your post but I honestly don’t see it happening. The investigation would be put under a microscope and that’s something that this LE could ill afford at the moment. Their glaring mistakes would be for all to see and right now they do not need the SPOTLIGHT shining on them. I wish it would happen and then maybe this case could be solved and Haleigh would be found. Great post though and welcome here–all opinions are welcome and appreciated.
me said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:43 pm jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:39 pm No need to read up, but thanks for looking out for me.
I’m aware of how it works.
Jail and prisons are rough.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
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Your thoughts on jails are rather simplistic….I expect they come from a tv show?
If you don’t believe in human rights, why do you still live in the USA? Wouldn’t you be happier elsewhere, like Iran perhaps?
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I think we all learned that phrase in kindergarten but we knew to raise our hand before tattling,lol sheeeeeeesh
Both you folks just need to stop it. My goodness we all are adults here.
Jan57 I was happy to see you post earlier today.
I hope your battle is going well. How did
things go in Charleston. Haven’t posted much
in a few days but you are in my prayers
O Lord Robin,it worries me,OMG how many now will say the same thing about their interrogations? so I don’t want them found guilty if they’re not at all but I am scared now that even if They did nothing to Haleigh or even just one of them did,it has jeapordized Haleigh!
And I agree,I am sick of watching someone take great pride and enjoyment from what happened to Haleigh,and use it as a weapon for spite!!!It has driven me over the edge!a
Tommy wants to get back over into St. Johns so
he will be closer to Lindsy. I think that Sy.
Johns is a newer facility as well.
Putnam County should house Tommy if they have the room. That is their arrest. I am sure there
is additional resources required to have him over in St. Johns.
I wouldn’t want his rights violated. However, I
am tired of my tax dollars paying for his whining. If he led those detectives on a wild
goose chase to the river good enough for him
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:58 pm Its ok to rant, if it makes one feel better.
Doesn’t change the facts or the taste of popcorn during a trial or movie.
Me,
Everyone should get their rights respected and adhered to. Let’s see if anything comes from tommys motion. Mid july, we’ll know more, if not before.
I love the USA and I don’t do crime when I can’t do the time, for sure. That way, I don’t have to look over my shoulder.
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Well, at least we agree about rights.
But when you keep citing the mantra…don’t do the crime etc, you seem to be missing the point. This isn’t about his sentence. It’s about the State’s duty of care to prisoners in their custody. They can’t just decide they don’t like an inmate and want to see him killed or seriously harmed and throw him into general population to achieve that outcome. But that’s what they appear to have done here. And if they have, they ought to pay for it, big time, including criminal charges, imo.
plenty of times i sat here never said a word but no more,so if youins don’t see me you know I love ya and I love Haleigh and I will always be there for Haleigh wether its here or just in my heart!
Justice for Haleigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d bet the mountain it’s all abunch of bs.Oh yeah…he was put in putnam gp, probably a dumb move on les part, but not illegal is it? I’m just askin’ The rest of the allegations should be simple enough to prove with tapes. All cells have camaras, if he was removed for questoning, it should be on tape with the time and sound. There should be no time lapse what so ever. I guess it’s possible, but I sincerely doubt it.jmo
I don’t pretend to be anything.
My world doesn’t revolve around me being anything on a blog.
I come to discuss the case. I really enjoy it here. Lots of smart people who are very articulate and prepared here.
I have strong opinions on convicted criminals. They are not good people.
If anyone is found innocent then fine.
If anyone is found guilty, fine.
When they are convicted, I think the state sets the tone of punishment and if one thinks its unfair or harsh, then I suggest doing something about it, the way the laws were passed in the first place.
Don’t worry, be happy 🙂
And don’t do the crime, if…(You know the rest).
I know I am Coop!
me@ 7:53 ita
Please, Jan has asked specifically in this article that there be no name calling, I would hate to see Simon and Jan take down all commenting on Haleigh articles just because one person can not let something go and then even have to bring the argument over to a different article.
I would think Ron would have the alpha male thing going if the detectives implied that Tommy was the party involved with Haleigh’s
disappearance. I tell you one thing if they put me in the same cell as my child’s abductor I am whipping me some azzzzzzzzz….I don’t care if I have to take a couple of extra years.
I am a pretty easy going girl unless you mess with my kids.
CJ,
Honestly, not worth it. Don’t want to lose you here!!!! Please try to ignore it. Stay with us!!!
I have been discussing the case based on my thought and opinions. if you read jans comments in place of the comments she deleted on the other thread, you will see why.
methinks said,in July 1st, 2010 at 8:04 pm I’d bet the mountain it’s all abunch of bs.Oh yeah…he was put in putnam gp, probably a dumb move on les part, but not illegal is it?
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I’m not so sure it’s not illegal…if they can show intent to cause him harm or criminal negligence, I’d like to think it was illegal.
coop, I agree with you…and I too am pretty easy going until someone messes with my children. I still don’t think ron will do anything to him physically. He’s shootin for fifteen years, not twenty. besides, ron didn’t put that headless rat in tommys mailbox for nothin’.
I looked at Lindsy photo that you guys had posted about a couple of days ago. Boy, the
difference is amazing. She went from being frumpy to sexy. Good for her. I sure hope she
is not on the prowl and just pulling herself out of that pit hole lifestyle she had.
LS,
ITA. No need to name call. And this blog has rules of behavior we have to follow or we can get banned or even worse, the privleges of all others could be lost.
Maybe just calm down and not be so sensitive to others words. That’s how I handle it.
Oh Lord Guy’s,lol I’m fine now,I got my point across,I’d rather be here for Haleigh than thrown out for popcorn anyday!
Lol I am okie dokie,promise!
all you have to do is read posts cause my lips are zipped,lol
I Iz a big girl now!
Thank you Robin. I fear that you’re absolutely right, but it’s not just the PCSO. LE in general (and I live in Philly and I know sure as HELL it’s true here) doesn’t like to be proven wrong, doesn’t like to have their theories challenged (especially when they’ve already made up their minds), or to have anyone look over their shoulder or have any kind of oversight that isn’t internal. THAT is why the FBI should step in NOW and try to clean up the mess that these Keystone Kops have made of this damn case. There’s a little girl out there…somewhere…(God forbid) dead or (hopefully) alive who deserves a better effort than they have given this case. Again, JMHO.
me, I can see that. Wouldn’t putnam have to take him if st johns needed their cell? Maybe they had no protective cells left to put him in. They would just have to keep an extra close eye on him, and them.
methinks, I tell you I could take an
extra 5 years just to beat the crap out of the
jerk thought to have abducted my daughter. However, maybe Ron doesn’t feel like Tommy is
guilty of abducting Haleigh. Did Ron every same
what the dead rat thing was about. I never really understood the purpose of that. That is
strange.
CK,Good post!!!!
Robin,I’ll have more thought later,lol just got caught up trying to get caught up,lol
But it does scare me!
ckurilla….not just your opinion….it’s my opinion too.
WhyLie said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 7:04 pm
TJ did an interview with Hardy back in Feb. Hardy at that time said that the jail is severely understaffed. It was said that the jail population was much higher then legally allowed and there was mention of the jail being taken over by the Feds. It was said by Hardy that they have the lowest bonds amount and that they are not serving warrants because of no space at the jail. BUT he has space to bring TC to Putnam from St Johns. Yeah Right. And we are supposed to believe that?
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Not me. I questioned the reasoning behind bringing him back to PC back when it happened. I knew it had nothing to do with waiting on his sentencing..
I’ve read enough on topix about the Dunn’s Creek Mafia and all the other crap about the PCSO players in this case…frightening to say the least that these people are supposedly law officers.
right Coop,exactly!! makes one wonder!
methinks said,in July 1st, 2010 at 8:18 pm me, I can see that. Wouldn’t putnam have to take him if st johns needed their cell? Maybe they had no protective cells left to put him in. They would just have to keep an extra close eye on him, and them.
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There is no excuse to take him out of protection. And the fact they moved him to a jail where they knew he faced an almost certain risk of harm in gp, these cops have a lot to answer for.
Is there any place that has the number of inmates in population ?
Last comment:
I don’t appreciate being called names.
I’d like to see jan address this once and for all like her last few articels have said. I didn’t get the impression she approved of such behavior.
No one here is above the rules that jan and simon have unless they say so. If its cool with them, and they state that here, cool by me. I’m afraid though that if its allowed it will turn this place in to a free for all where no one will want to come.
I figured maybe thats why they sent Tommy there??
I assume they’ll go to any lengths? jmo
WhyLie and Me–I totally agree with you both. Its time for the FBI to step in and take this case away from PCSO. I wanted to have faith that they could solve this case, but now it is totally gone. They have shown their hand one too many times in this investigation. Calling it a homocide with no evidence to back it up (but maybe a gut feeling), searches conducted on the words of reputed liars (no problem with the searches but just the sources), the media assassination of the ones in custody (but stop short of calling them POIs or suspects), investigators “leaking” information to so called journalists and the Sheffields, conducting a drug sting on their “key” in the Haleigh investigation (IIRC who had no prior drug arrests that we know of and doing it right after she turns 18 Hmmm…)and lastly telling the Croslin parents they cannot visit their children in jail UNTIL they pay their fines (is that even legal? Who knows)…and the list goes on and on…Tommy might not be the greatest (Lord knows he is no saint) but I think this could push this case in the right direction and OUT of the hands of the “so called” investigators at PCSO who claim they care so much about the integrity of this investigation that they abused their power and trampled on the constitutional rights of someone they “claim” had been cooperated fully to start with. We are back at square one but hopefully (and God willing) we will have someone else look at this case and find what we have all be searching for and demanding–The Truth about Haleigh. JMO
LadySadie @ 6:40 pm – I AGREE!
I thought I should be sure to mention that since we also disagree on things! LOL!
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Oh, so we think that T’s mention of Hardy’s son on the phone call is what got the guy arrested? Is the department arrested Imms a different branch of LE separate from the PCSO officers investigating Haleigh? Must be or Hardy and his crew would have just swept it under the rug. Someone please let me know. I’m not clear on the T snitching on Imms story details
Nice post, Robin. ITA.
Just because TC was put in general population doesn’t mean that him and RC are together. With classification guidelines, they can’t be in the same block/room/area. And as far as that goes, WBG won’t be with either of them either.
The cops involved in this action by TC, are gonna wished they played by the rules. If the allegations are found to have substance, they may have jeapodized their investigation.
Too bad. Talk about distractions!
Hey CJ! Glad to see you, gal!
I still think we have the “one-sided” motion to go on. Are we not going to wait for the hearing before convicting pcso of wrongdoing? If not, why not?
hey, I want to tag on that road trip….. what you say we just go to that mobile home community and start knocking on doors. We can find out more from those neighbors in two hours than LE has in way more than a year. I totally bet that if we interviewed neighbors, co-workers of Ronald, Misty’s pals and then Hank and Lisa.. we could all come up with at least 5 things LE hasn’t
Justice for HaLeigh.. don’t forget her!!!
robin said,in July 1st, 2010 at 8:22 pm WhyLie and Me–I totally agree with you both. Its time for the FBI to step in and take this case away from PCSO. I wanted to have faith that they could solve this case, but now it is totally gone. They have shown their hand one too many times in this investigation. Calling it a homocide with no evidence to back it up (but maybe a gut feeling), searches conducted on the words of reputed liars (no problem with the searches but just the sources), the media assassination of the ones in custody (but stop short of calling them POIs or suspects), investigators “leaking” information to so called journalists and the Sheffields, conducting a drug sting on their “key” in the Haleigh investigation (IIRC who had no prior drug arrests that we know of and doing it right after she turns 18 Hmmm…)and lastly telling the Croslin parents they cannot visit their children in jail UNTIL they pay their fines (is that even legal? Who knows)…and the list goes on and on…Tommy might not be the greatest (Lord knows he is no saint) but I think this could push this case in the right direction and OUT of the hands of the “so called” investigators at PCSO who claim they care so much about the integrity of this investigation that they abused their power and trampled on the constitutional rights of someone they “claim” had been cooperated fully to start with. We are back at square one but hopefully (and God willing) we will have someone else look at this case and find what we have all be searching for and demanding–The Truth about Haleigh. JMO
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Amen Robin,I love it when things make sense!
He has the right to fair treatment while incarcerated, and the right to a fair trial…but that doesn’t grant him the right to sympathy from me. jmo. About ten years ago or so in the county I live in in mn, the inmates all got together and filed a grievance against the copshop for inadequate air conditioning during the hot summer months. They won, but were punished by the air being left on throughout oct and well into nov. sad but true. Minnesota octobers and novembers are darn cold.
UCN: 542010CF000147XXAXMX
Defendant: CROSLIN, HANK T JR
06/08/2010 37 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-06-2010)
06/08/2010 38 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-06-2010) IN JAIL
06/14/2010 39 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED (NOT IN OUR JAIL)
06/15/2010 40 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
07/01/2010 41 MOTION FOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE AND ORDER OF
07/01/2010 41 PROHIBITION REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED HEARING
07/01/2010 41 HEARING SET 07/16/2010 AT 2:30 PM
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
Sorry I didn’t give you a better answer Robin,you are always so precise,did you miss your calling girl? lol
I have had car troubles today,broke down twice,no a/c and black smoke is boiling from the motor,lol
methinks, lol about air-conditioned October and November in MN (I grew up there). It’s not the inadequate ventilation and bad plumbing that I, and probably others, are complaining about. It’s two hours in the hot seat when he’d asked for his lawyer, combined with things like the LDT that Misty was tricked and coerced into taking. Last I checked, Florida was still part of the great USA!
If Putnam has the resources they should house Tommy. Tommy just wants over in St. Augustine
so he can try and make Lindsy bring his son to
jail. Tommy has a hissy fit when he doesn’t get his way. That would be a pretty good haul for Lindsy to go over to Palatka from the coast.
Each county in Florida has it’s fair share of funding problems right now. If anything since
Putnam’s tax base was not so real estate price driven it probably would be easier for them to house Tommy as opposed to St. Johns County. These counties can not have a budget line item to include cost for Tommy Croslin’s whining.
July 1st, 2010 at 8:23 pm
LadySadie @ 6:40 pm – I AGREE!
I thought I should be sure to mention that since we also disagree on things! LOL!
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LOL, Thanks, but we do also agree on many things, so it all balances out, and we get the chance to learn from each other and discuss our differences.
Heck life sure would be boring if we all agreed about everything.
Hey Lady!!
stilllucy said,in July 1st, 2010 at 8:26 pm Just because TC was put in general population doesn’t mean that him and RC are together. With classification guidelines, they can’t be in the same block/room/area. And as far as that goes, WBG won’t be with either of them either.
The cops involved in this action by TC, are gonna wished they played by the rules. If the allegations are found to have substance, they may have jeapodized their investigation.
Too bad. Talk about distractions!
Hey CJ! Glad to see you, gal!
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Likewise,though I have had one heck of a day but i am home now so i’ll be alright g/f! lol
vaquera said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 8:20 pm
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Did you read where one of LE left the Dunns Creek Mafia and moved over to a little church in Hastings? Wonder if that is the same little Church Regan preaches at.
cathyjo,Are you a gramma yet?
M2c–Tommy mentioned the Sheriff’s son on one of jail house calls being a pillhead and druggie (paraphrasing there). These tapes are released for public consumption, then lo and behold, the son is arrested for drugs. It is mere speculation but I highly doubt it is coincidence (nothing surprises mne in this case anymore).
Robin,makes me wonder,you said his parents can’t visit him or Misty w/o paying their fines???? are you serious,where have I been on that one???? OMG
I see what happened now.
I bet tommy cell is worse, and now he has a roomy and he’s hatin it. Bad smell and no a/c in this weather must be just brutal on him. Imagaine the smell of tommy sweat…come on girls, line up at the ‘hugs’ booth with tc. 🙂
jaba said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 8:26 pm
I still think we have the “one-sided” motion to go on. Are we not going to wait for the hearing before convicting pcso of wrongdoing? If not, why not?
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I think part of the reason for that we have seen PSCO bungle so many things about this case already. Example Peggy Cone sharing information with Kim P., not removing the door until a couple weeks later. And for me also, finding out that PSCO actually put Tommy in GP and seeing the news4jax report where PSCO admitted to questioning Tommy but not admitting to any wrong doing. I have had faith in PSCO until this, but I really have a problem with any LE that would be willing to violate anyone’s constitutional rights.
was tommy in PC in St Johns?
MeThinks,I have been one for 10 yrs,lol but j/k,I know what you mean! lol
NOOOOOO But omg i hope soon,it wrecks my nerves,she’ll call and just have pains and hollers and i swear my nerves are poppin’!!!!!!!!!!
Guys it is hot in Florida under the best of circumstances right now. Especially if you have any breathing issue. We have had to request additional breathing meds for my husband. Tommy was a smoker and it’s hotter than anything. I have to turn my AC up to 80 during the day for electric to be afordable this time of yeat. Tommy is certainly no better
than I am.
TOMMY IS A WHINER……AND A DRUGGIE
by that Robin,It’s almost as if they didn’t want the parents there to say they’d been threatened? jmo never know?
Remember when tommy told Hank in one tape that they told him they’d get Misty if they had to make it up or something similar,if they did this to Tommy,Imagine what they’ve told Misty?????????
coop, you can open a window or turn on a fan…just pointing out the obvious
All facilities have bad, really bad ventilation and the smell is horrid! Trust me, been in alot of them all around my state. Whoops! Not behind the bars but looking in from the inside!
CJ: You know I’m use to the bantering! Were we not playing nice in the sand box today? Too funny!
Cathyjo…my great niece will be delivered within the next couple of hours. Haven’t been on in a few days Do you have a new grandbaby?
Hey, iloves, hope you are having a good evening.
As far as St Johns not having the funding to house and feed Tommy, don’t think that is the case, St. Johns County is listed as being in the top 50 household incomes in the United States, in the top 3 of Florida. Putnam has a well below US average household income.
LadySadie said,in July 1st, 2010 at 8:36 pm jaba said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 8:26 pm
I still think we have the “one-sided” motion to go on. Are we not going to wait for the hearing before convicting pcso of wrongdoing? If not, why not?
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I think part of the reason for that we have seen PSCO bungle so many things about this case already. Example Peggy Cone sharing information with Kim P., not removing the door until a couple weeks later. And for me also, finding out that PSCO actually put Tommy in GP and seeing the news4jax report where PSCO admitted to questioning Tommy but not admitting to any wrong doing. I have had faith in PSCO until this, but I really have a problem with any LE that would be willing to violate anyone’s constitutional rights.
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hmm,why not,we convicted the druggies,lol without one!
No Coop,I wish!!!!!!!!!
MrsM I know what you are saying. I just get
a little hot under the collar at Tommy. He has
such a sense of entitlement and is very self centered. Of course you know me I am pretty wishy-washy as to the guilty party. Guess what?
IT’S THAT DANG TOMMY TODAY
Heya Mrsm,you ok?
To me, the bottom line is this….they (LE) had to know it was NOT a good idea (for Tommy’s continued good health) to bring him back to Putnam given the crew in that jail already, not just RC but Hardy’s son and friends. They KNEW that. No way around it. They did it anyway. To squeeze him? To punish him? Both?
TJ reported in Feb that there were 360 inmates in Putnam, the jail is built to hold 236. Hardy said they can’t even serve warrants because they have no place to put them. I seriously doubt that St Johns “made” Hardy remove TC and move him to Putnam. My money would be on PCSO making that decision.
Hi Cathy Jo,Hope you and your daughter are ok. If this is proven it could jeopardize other cases as well as his.I don’t want criminals getting off when they are guilty but you can’t violate people’a rights.
m2c said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 8:23 pm
LadySadie @ 6:40 pm – I AGREE!
I thought I should be sure to mention that since we also disagree on things! LOL!
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Oh, so we think that T’s mention of Hardy’s son on the phone call is what got the guy arrested? Is the department arrested Imms a different branch of LE separate from the PCSO officers investigating Haleigh? Must be or Hardy and his crew would have just swept it under the rug. Someone please let me know. I’m not clear on the T snitching on Imms story details
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East Palatka – On May 5, 2010, Detectives with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office Drug/Vice Unit conducted a narcotics operation in the parking lot of the Sunoco convenience store, located at 276 Highway 17 South, in East Palatka. The operation consisted of purchasing methamphetamine from unsuspected sellers who were being investigated for manufacturing and selling of methamphetamine. Four (4) individuals were arrested for actively participating in the sell of methamphetamine to the undercover detectives. After detaining the subjects, detectives determined that a two year-old child was awaiting the individuals inside their vehicle during the transaction. The child was released to family members, and the Florida Department of Children and Family Services was notified of the incident.
http://www.pcso.us/2010-5-6-a
im good CJ, hope u r ummmmmmm calm? serene….deep breath….*sigh* lol
Yea Grandam5,worries me too,
Mrsm…….ahhhhhhhhhh done,ty lol calm as a cucumber and a salt shaker,lol
i dont particularly like TC…he is a typical sneaky crackhead imo dont trust him as far as i can throw him….but all that aside moving him to Putnam was wrong wrong wrong. To me it screams proof of the :good ol’ boy network” alive and well in redneck-land
CathyJoe–I thought I read it or heard it here about Hank and Lisa not being able to visit. I hope I didn’t dream that up but I really can’t remember the source. But when I did hear it or read it I was thinking if it was even legal? I should have had it substantiated or at least had the source before I stated it as fact. Sorry about that.
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 8:37 pm was tommy in PC in St Johns?
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Yes he was. He was also in PC when he was previously brought to Putnam. He will always have to be in PC.
Him being moved to Putnam may have nothing to do with who he is. There could be a matrix that
gets populated and Mr. Croslin’s X box to move can up.
I don’t think LE said oh let’s bring Tommy over here and violate his rights. This case is way to high profile for that. I would like to wade in there like Bufford Pusser and take a bat to his azzzzzzzz…He’d talk then. Enough
with the kid glove thing. Let them interrogate
him to the extent the law allows. As well as Ron Cummings.
lol CJ could work on some relaxation techniques with you 🙂
Even if they charge someone unrelated to Haleigh with her disappearance, he will need to stay in PC as he not only ratted out Hardy’s son, but many people were allegedly running the meth lab with his son, and they were all arrested too.
Robin, Lisa couldn’t visit over in St’ Johns
because of her conviction. Now I don’t know if
that applies in Putnam as well. I thought it was a problem with her crossing the county line? I think Hank’s problem was he didn’t have the resources to get over to St. Johns
County
coop i disagree, i think this is dirty pool…imo
ME, why do you say he will always have to be in PC?
You caught that from me Robin,i am contagious,I post and don’t verify,lol I am pretty certain if you said it,you seen it!!!!!!
But it bothers me,I’ll go look! for it!
well the Hardy stuff cant be why they put him in PC to begin with ME
St Johns county is a wonderful county. However,
my friends would prefer that their tax dollar be spent on education and the completion of Nocotee not Tommy Croslin. I am sure there is money transferred across the budget in these
cases. Tommy Croslin is no better or no worse
than any other prisoner in Putnam County
I think it was reported after Hank Sr. and Lisa’s last court appearance that they could not leave Putnam County except to look for work until they paid all their fines. That is the reason they are unable to go to St. Johns County to visit MC and TC in jail.
Coop–Thanks and that is probably the reason. That makes more sense to me.
i hear you Coop, i live here too. But i would think TC being in St Johns as a “favor” to Putnam would mean more accurately a trade of inmates.
MrsM IMO Tommy gets no mercy from me as long as I am lead to believe that he caused the onset of that river search. That cost a lot of
money and resources. They could have air conditioned the jail for what that search cost.
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 8:58 pm coop i disagree, i think this is dirty pool…imo
ME, why do you say he will always have to be in PC?
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Because of Hardy’s son and all that were arrested with him. It seems they were running their meth lab without a problem until Tommy announced nationally that Hardy’s son was a bigger druggie than he was! I think one of the co-accused only was released on bail this week, and some might still be locked up.
Shoot, Coop I live very close to Nocotee, the finishing of that project is not dependent on tax funds, it is totally dependent on the developers. No one is buying houses right now and Nocotee was very much over kill planning in the first place, it will probably be 20 years before it is completed.
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 8:59 pm well the Hardy stuff cant be why they put him in PC to begin with ME
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ITA. Totally about Haleigh. The Hardy stuff came out many weeks after his arrest. He’s been in PC since his arrest. Until now of course.
I cannot find one thing?? Just a post or too,I can’t verify tho,shux,anybody know? wheres OJ,OR m2,They may know??
ME, i get that the Hardy thing might warrant Tommy being in PC now, but why from the start?
Oh, and coop, the schools funds and the city/county funds are NOT intermixed, they are totally seperate.
I know OJ keeps up with his in laws,lol
lurk off:
theories are like a**holes, everybody has one.
this should be about the facts. daily i see ppl post here stating facts that are actually false. it would be a full time job to correct and defend what is truly fact than fiction. what really sucks is we have no real facts….none oter than haleigh is missing.
refocus on why we are here: HALIEGH. stop the fighting, gather facts (the few there are) and stop the damn fighting amongst bloggers. united, regardless of personal theories, pressure on LE will give haleigh justice in the end.
lurk:on
if thats is true,and I’d say it is because we haven’t seen any visits Robin but omg,what a mess??
Just to be clear i’ll say it once more, i am no TC fan. But i hate to see the good ol’ boy club in action worse than i dislike and mistrust tommy-boy. I am starting to trust LE less than i do Tommy, and thats pretty darn bad!!!
And I just have to proudly say (yes I work for St. Johns County Schools), we have one of the best school systems in the state. While yes I think the teachers and all staff need a raise, LOL, they do a fine job of educating the students.
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:07 pm ME, i get that the Hardy thing might warrant Tommy being in PC now, but why from the start?
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Because many suspect he is involved in what has happened to Haleigh.
LadySadie You are probably right when I came to Florida mid 80’s same thing had just happened and Julington Creek was bankrupt
and look at it today. You are right the big
developers like Hudson Land has to submit a PUD
plan which I think requires infastructure plans not for sure how the grant process works on that. Nocotee is going to be it’s own city
I would think that 20 years would be right on target.
Hope plead, doona plead, tommy plead and ron wants to.
I just want A trial on charges so we can see evidence.
Then everyone can start adopting their favs by sending canteen money…its already happening.
But, if one is broke, then some prisoners will have to miss a ‘ding dong and ho ho’ fiesta.
How sad is that? May be best to just worry about those we can actually help in life.
Victims of crimes should get the ‘pastry’ fest before anyone else. Perhaps someone will start a collegs fund for JR. He deserves it. Imo
Prisoners often dole out their own form of justice on people accused of harming children, and it ain’t pretty.
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:10 pm Just to be clear i’ll say it once more, i am no TC fan. But i hate to see the good ol’ boy club in action worse than i dislike and mistrust tommy-boy. I am starting to trust LE less than i do Tommy, and thats pretty darn bad!!!
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Yep, I feel the same.
Me,that added poison to Tommy,we all know what they do to rats!omg what a mess those disfunctional le has caused,jmo??
makes 2 of us Me,sympathy will pour in after this??
if its true his rights have totally been violated,they jeapordized him and no doubt put him there to get him hurt or scare him? Haleighs justice will never come and no one will evenr know the truth! jmo and i hope I am soooo Wrong!
alot of people will feel like we do? jmo
CathyJo, it’s my opinion too. I bet those cops won’t be sleeping well tonight.
Robin,dunno whats a matter with me,I can’t find it?
ME i am well aware of convict justice, however, i dont see tommy’s connection to the Haleigh case as enough to warrant PC, at least in the DOC. Maybe in a county jail, but once in with the big dogs i doubt he would warrant PC indefinitely. PC is usually reserved for those who have already been attacked and badly hurt (while in prison) or those who have snitched (while in prison) Aside from that they normally just make sure those involved in the same crime are at separate prisons. Sometimes they just separate to different prisons inmates that have fought.
omg Me!!!!! I won’t either probably!
CathyJo63 said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:15 pm makes 2 of us Me,sympathy will pour in after this??
if its true his rights have totally been violated,they jeapordized him and no doubt put him there to get him hurt or scare him? Haleighs justice will never come and no one will evenr know the truth! jmo and i hope I am soooo Wrong!
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Putting him in jail would scare him. Putting in gp would get him hurt if not killed. Even in PC he is at risk. But putting him in gp is probably criminal, imo.
LadySadie, taxes are taxes now how they split
up that in the budget it is still taxes. I agree on. I think way too much tax money has been spent on Tommy. If he ain’t guilty him left him go so he can OD. I don’t have one problem with Florida Educators they are great. I love Florida however now the Croslin clan is a different ballgame If I paid state tax personal propery tax and that stuff I really would be ticked.
How tax dollars are spent is another crooked ballgame altogether! Compare the roads in Ponte Vedra to the roads in St Augustine. Its all St. Johns County…but the money goes where the money IS
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:16 pm
PC is usually reserved for those who have already been attacked and badly hurt (while in prison) or those who have snitched (while in prison).
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BA Cent can answer this better, but I know where I am from PC is for child sex offenders, rapists, dogs, ex-LE and a few other particularly vulnerable types. They are always kept in PC. Never heard of someone accused of a child sex offence being placed in general population in a western country before today.
Jaba I agree somebody go to trial so we can see
some evidence
Amazing, the people who want fairness for the 3f gang won’t wait until a hearing for the whiny and crying tc is even done.
Why not?
We have seen one side of a motion. You realize how many motions are found to be a waste of time and unfounded and then dismissed?
I’d like to see the evidence before I convict.
And then there is a that messy popcorn rule.
🙂
i interned at 2 state prisons in PA. SO were in GP, but were housed primarily together,in that they all had to complete a therapeutic community component…however, space was limited, so they were housed right alongside everyone else until they got their turn in the Ther. Comm.
I also know first hand the SO’s are not separated in Okla. IF they GP inmates discover a SO and beat him up, or throw him out of their cell, then they MIGHT go to GP if the powers that be deem it necessary.
and TC is NOT an SO, at least as far as we know.
How many deaths in st johns and putnam county in the last year or 5 years form inmate violence. Anyone know?
Coop and LadySadie said it was because Lisa can’t cross county lines due to her probation status and monetary reasons. I will go with that, maybe I just took the statement wrong. Sorry about that for sure. I have been loooking and can’t find it either. It stuck with me for some reason but I can’t substantiate it so it is not fact. Thanks for looking though.
MrsM,
Everyone knows he is suspected of being involved. It’s been all over NG. Why do you think he was in PC if not for Haleigh?
probly not many jaba, not in jails…more in prisons
Dear God,help us all!
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:25 pm i interned at 2 state prisons in PA. SO were in GP, but were housed primarily together,in that they all had to complete a therapeutic community component…however, space was limited, so they were housed right alongside everyone else until they got their turn in the Ther. Comm.
I also know first hand the SO’s are not separated in Okla. IF they GP inmates discover a SO and beat him up, or throw him out of their cell, then they MIGHT go to GP if the powers that be deem it necessary.
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Sorry, but I find that hard to believe. Do you have a link to their classification policy or something?
I dont know ME, thats why I asked you. I saw you say he will always need to be in PC and wondered why you thought that. It’s uncommon in my experience.
Well maybe something will come out soon that will give us a little bit insight. I am going to chalk Tommy’s latest hissy fit to just that
Cathyjo, what’s wrong now…
robin said, in July 1st, 2010 at 6:33 pm
I do vaquely recall Tommy stating on a jailhouse call about the Sheriff’s son was into drugs. Then that very son getting arrested and subsequently bailed out weeks later. Is this the Sheriff’s way of “supporting” his son (IMMS–and the sheriff said he was going to support him) and exacted his revenge (by the interrogation/intimidation of Tommy and the veiled threats of “ratting” him out to other inmates that could cause Tommy to be seriously harmed)? With this case, the ONLY thing that would suprise me is they actually solving it!
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Good post Robin,
Didn’t have time to read all the posts…but this one is along the lines of my thinking. Did they make enough room in PC when they let Imms out on bail to move Tommy in?
I want justice for Haleigh, or at least to know what became of her. But, I’m not feeling good about the tactics being used at all. MO
no i dont have a link, i did not look up the info as i saw it firsthand. I interned at the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections State Prison at Mercer and Erie. I observed at the Therapeutic Community in Mercer. SO’s went to Rec and meals with everyone else.
I see posters here talk about killing misty or tommy while they are inside.
Just wanted to see if that really happens or is it just shock value talk.
I’m sure someone in jail or prison can be ‘got to’ but I wonder how often it happens.
Nic carplblybh.
Coop,Now? lol
mrsm: You are totally right. LE is not allowed to release any info of charges on SO incarcerated. Inmates with communicable diseased are protected too. Only those inmates with high profiles are put into protective custody. Otherwise, general population. The only exception is if family or friends of a victim are incarcerated in the same facility.
Sorry, might be too much info. Just trying to clarify.
jaba said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 9:27 pm
How many deaths in st johns and putnam county in the last year or 5 years form inmate violence. Anyone know?
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In St. Johns County 0 that I am aware of. Don’t know about Putnam County.
oh it definitely happens Jaba, but again moreso in prisons than in jails.
u are right on stilllucy
Why is Tommy any better than Ron. As many people think Ron is guilty as those that think that Tommy is.
Tommy is over inflating to get back over in the better jail. Tommy tells lies to take care of Tommy. I am sure Tommy lies.
Coop at 922.
Agreed. Big time. I want to see more of the case we’ve been mostly ‘guessing about’.
If its not one thing its another…
Cons are resourceful though. They call home and ask wifey to look up inmate so and so on the state inmate locator and see what his charges are…if there are any sex offenses on so and so ….poor so and so….he’s definitely getting kicked out of his house, and maybe beaten within an inch of his life or possibly owned by a gang.
There are very rarely any deaths in Jail facilities. Most are pre-trial detainees and are on their best behavior. They don’t want to be charged with additional charges while waiting for trial.
Prisons, totally different story. It’s a war zone. The battles are fierce and usually gang related. It’s primarily a power struggle.
i dont feel bad for tommy, i just get the shivers from the good ol boys.
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:27 pm How many deaths in st johns and putnam county in the last year or 5 years form inmate violence. Anyone know?
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Why don’t you call them and ask them?
I don’t see how that question is relevant. The relevant question is how many, if any, suspected child sex offenders were placed in gp? I am guessing TC is the only one.
Jaba your 9:36 post is some food for thought.
How many prisoners do get killed in prison.
Now those druggies stood just as big of a chance getting beat up on the outside as they
are on the inside. These are not children that need to be protected. It is amazing that these
people weather directly or indirectly played a role in the abduction of this child but we need to protect them Bull Crap….that child
had rights as well.
Coop,as far as I’m concerned they’re all on the same level so far…jmo
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:30 pm I dont know ME, thats why I asked you. I saw you say he will always need to be in PC and wondered why you thought that. It’s uncommon in my experience.
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Sounds like your experience was pretty limited, and that you had nothing to do with classification policies. I’ve read them for Oklahoma. And no, they aren’t allowed to wait til a sex offender gets beaten up.
it is relevant in that it speaks to the level of danger TC is in and the level of irresponsibility on the part of PCSO
Could it have been that TC was in PC at SJ’s for precautionary reasons since he was suppose to have been housed in PC in the first place. If TC would have gotten hurt in SJ could one file a law suit on the bases that TC should have never been in SJ.
Also was it this much uproar when RC was transferred to PC from Flagler.
I don’t know if this St. Augustine poster knows what he/sheis talking about, but he/she posted that RC is still in Flagler. Don’t know if he/she is behind the times or if he/she knows more than we do.
You can read the post here: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/satsuma-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/post80908
Playing the victim over and over is so boring and played out. Get over it already. Wake up and stand tall, quit whining.
Ole tommy should take heed to that, imo. Enough of the victim status to get you through and so people don’t hold you accountable for what you say or do.
Its lik ron and tommy with their tuf talk. Walk the walk if you are going to talk the talk. Imo
glad someone is monitoring the relevance meter tho lol
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:43 pm i dont feel bad for tommy, i just get the shivers from the good ol boys.
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Exactly,it could be our child!
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:30 pm I dont know ME, thats why I asked you. I saw you say he will always need to be in PC and wondered why you thought that. It’s uncommon in my experience.
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Perhaps you can tell us, based on YOUR experience, why St Johns thought it was necessary for him to be in PC?
“allowed” and DOC is mutually exclusive
me said, as the parent of a child that was sexually abused I will tell you that every sex
offender should be place in GP during the night
and then during the day in confinment with a big bubba. If there is no repercussion for sexual offenders our children are not safe to
live their lives. I do not believe in rehabilation….I went to counseling too
i have no idea other than high profile case i guess…involving a child. Still wouldnt think it would be necessary for the rest of his incarceration though.
Thanks stillucy, I appreciate the knowledge. You confirmed what I had believed.
Me,
Don’t want or need to call them. That’s why I asked the bloggers here.
Goodness coop….that post makes you sound a bit sadistic. I am very sorry for your child. That is awful and I hope the offender received a just punishment in accordance with the law (which appears to be too lenient imo, probably because society has lost perspective and thinks selling prescription pills to adult undercover officers encouraging the sale of same is more heinous than harming a child). Sorry, but I don’t condone violence in any circumstances and glad we live in a society that metes out humane, rather than inhumane, punishment (for the most part). There are plenty of countries that play by the rules you propose, but I sure as heck wouldn’t want to live in one of them.
many SO’s dont want to get out…no Bubba necessary
robin said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 8:54 pm
CathyJoe–I thought I read it or heard it here about Hank and Lisa not being able to visit. I hope I didn’t dream that up but I really can’t remember the source. But when I did hear it or read it I was thinking if it was even legal? I should have had it substantiated or at least had the source before I stated it as fact. Sorry about that
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it is fact..hank mentioned it to tomme during a phone call iirc
me said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 9:44 pm
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 9:27 pm How many deaths in st johns and putnam county in the last year or 5 years form inmate violence. Anyone know?
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Why don’t you call them and ask them?
I don’t see how that question is relevant. The relevant question is how many, if any, suspected child sex offenders were placed in gp? I am guessing TC is the only one.
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Did I miss something? When was TC charged or officially suspected of being a sex offender that would require he be put in pc?
come on…. tommy has been all but demanding to go to general pop the entire time hes been behind bars… go back and watch his videos.. maybe he should have been more careful what he asked for… i dont believe he was mistreated.. his lies didnt get him the deal he wanted so now he tries a differnt approach.. its almost time to get his sentence and he is probably hoping this will help get him those “3” yrs..and just because hes in gp it doesnt mean he is in contact ron..and even if he is. i dont think ron will hurt the little creep. they are all covering each others backsides..
Who said charged or officially expected? Can you point to the post please cause I have no idea what you are talking about.
suspected, not expected
me said yes that really hardened me against the
predators. There are those Romeo and Juliet cases that I get. Adults can’t not continue to prey on our children. Now that is sadistic.
Thank goodness I got my daughter counseling
However, no I don’t think they can be put out
ever ever ever again the 9 bad ones hurt the 1 that could have been re-habed. Sorry but no all 10 gotta stay there and pay the price I just don’t think it’s fair we roll the dice with children’s future.
Thank You OJ!!
Guys I’m turning in tonight.
nite Coop, its a good sleepin night in st johns…rain pattering on the roof…finally!
Hey Gang,
Trying to catch-up but just had to say to CathyJo… YOU ARE SO IN MY FAMILY… tittified!
coop,
I agree….it doesn’t seem anything can be done to change a paedophile and society needs protection from them. I was sad to see that the guy charged in PC the other night with molesting a child under 12 was given a bond of only 5% of the bond given to Misty. In my opinion, that’s totally backwards. Misty never harmed a child, she was barely an adult herself, sold to an adult undercover who encouraged it and even sold to them on credit etc….yet this guy molests a child and will walk out far quicker than Hope or probably any of that gang….where is the justice?
OJ’s glove said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 9:58 pm
robin said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 8:54 pm
CathyJoe–I thought I read it or heard it here about Hank and Lisa not being able to visit. I hope I didn’t dream that up but I really can’t remember the source. But when I did hear it or read it I was thinking if it was even legal? I should have had it substantiated or at least had the source before I stated it as fact. Sorry about that
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it is fact..hank mentioned it to tomme during a phone call iirc
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I thought the last I heard Hank say that Lisa could not visit because she could not leave the putnam county.
04/27/2010 17 COURT HAS NO OBJECTION TO DEFT LEAVING THE
04/27/2010 17 COUNTY TO GO TO ANY COUNTY THAT TOUCHES PUTNAM
04/27/2010 17 COUNTY IN SEARCH OF WORK
then I thought it was not until they paid off their fines.
Beautiful*Adams (cent) said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:06 pm Hey Gang,
Trying to catch-up but just had to say to CathyJo… YOU ARE SO IN MY FAMILY… tittified!
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ROFL Adams, Thank You!
I disagree. Context is the important thing. We were talking about the right or wrong of PCSO moving him back to Putnam, so the level of danger is relevant imo, but again, thanks for monitoring the relevance meter….where were you when we were talking about Lindsays sunburn lol
I disagree. Context is the important thing. We were talking about the right or wrong of PCSO moving him back to Putnam, so the level of danger is relevant imo, but again, thanks for monitoring the relevance meter….where were you when we were talking about Lindsays sunburn lol
sorry, stuttered lol
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:16 pm I disagree. Context is the important thing. We were talking about the right or wrong of PCSO moving him back to Putnam, so the level of danger is relevant imo, but again, thanks for monitoring the relevance meter….where were you when we were talking about Lindsays sunburn lol
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I don’t think you understood my point. I’ll try one last time then give up! You can’t compare the level of danger a suspected child molester faces in prison, with the rest of the inmates. Their crimes are considered particularly heinous by their fellow prisoners, who often mete out their own form of justice.
Lindsay’s sunburn doesn’t interest me in the least….abuse of civil rights by police investigating a child abduction, whole different category.
WhyLie said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 8:34 pm
vaquera said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 8:20 pm
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Did you read where one of LE left the Dunns Creek Mafia and moved over to a little church in Hastings? Wonder if that is the same little Church Regan preaches at.
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Kind of sorta, maybe..I don’t know. Was it Bowling or Greenwood? That is odd that one would drive all the way over to Hastings, just to go to church.
Pastor Regan said he worked undercover to break up a prostitution ring in PC and that some cops were involved also..
Something smells to high heaven in Putnam county and it’s not the sweaty,smelly prisoners.
LoL Lilly,was responding to this comment,can’t tell who said it so copied the whole thing,lol
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Why don’t you call them and ask them?
I don’t see how that question is relevant. The relevant question is how many, if any, suspected child sex offenders were placed in gp? I am guessing TC is the only one.
LoL Lilly,was responding to this comment,can’t tell who said it so copied the whole thing,lol
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Why don’t you call them and ask them?
I don’t see how that question is relevant. The relevant question is how many, if any, suspected child sex offenders were placed in gp? I am guessing TC is the only one.
vaquera said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:22 pm Something smells to high heaven in Putnam county and it’s not the sweaty,smelly prisoners.
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It sure does….I am guessing that all LE mentioned in the Motion met with lawyers today and considered their job prospects elsewhere. I am guessing meetings also took place higher up re launching an investigation into this mess. And I’d bet my bottom dollar, Tommy is back in PC as we speak.
I think we are on the same side of the argument and I don’t really see what you don’t understand. I too will give it one last try, and then i’m over and past it.
Yes it is relevant that TC could be considered a suspected SO by other inmates. That makes it very dangerous for him in any jail. The question “how many murders have been committed in Putnam County Jail” speaks to exactly how dangerous it is there for ANY inmate, and obviously moreso for SO’s. The question was relevant.
CathyJo63 said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:25 pm LoL Lilly,was responding to this comment,can’t tell who said it so copied the whole thing,lol
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Why don’t you call them and ask them?
I don’t see how that question is relevant. The relevant question is how many, if any, suspected child sex offenders were placed in gp? I am guessing TC is the only one.
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That was my post!
I just know some may enjoy it! jmo,lol thats all!
I just know some may enjoy it! jmo,lol thats all!
Thanks OJ–I knew I read or heard that somewhere. I thought I was losing my mind for a minute there.
vaquera said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 10:22 pm
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OK,Then Me,lol
No LE official is permitted to release information on any individual inmate for security purposes. Charges are not allowed to be public info to other inmates. The only way that inmates learn of each others charges are from themselves. SO usually do not, if ever, talk to or communicate their own charges to fellow inmates. SO will lie to other inmates about their charges. If they make the evening news broadcast, they are immediately placed in protective custody. Facilities can not afford the law suits.
Sex offenses are listed just like any other criminal charges on DOC websites. It is public info.
MrsM,
I thought we were in agreement too…so I was a bit surprised when you started attacking my posts. But whatever.
Anyhow, I sure hope that this means new LE will be brought in to look at this case and hopefully find Haleigh alive and well and soon.
hmm.Thanks Lucy,I wondered how that worked!
LE officials that committ any form of misconduct should be dealt with. Situations such as the one that TC has claimed, is totally unprofessional. They should know better. Especially with a case such as this that’s been going on for way too long. Their antics are way out of line. IMO
stilllucy said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:28 pm No LE official is permitted to release information on any individual inmate for security purposes. Charges are not allowed to be public info to other inmates. The only way that inmates learn of each others charges are from themselves. SO usually do not, if ever, talk to or communicate their own charges to fellow inmates. SO will lie to other inmates about their charges. If they make the evening news broadcast, they are immediately placed in protective custody. Facilities can not afford the law suits.
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Actually, in Putnam County the Sherrif’s office makes that info public. For example, if you check their website, you will see that James Hoberg is currently in there for allegedly sexually assaulting a child under 12….arrested 30th of June and about $50k bond, not yet posted (or at least last I checked). I bet he is in protection.
Should have said 29 not 30 june.
I didn’t attack your posts, I just thought your attack (telling someone their perfectly relevant post was irrelevant) was mean. Especially when “irrelevant” is not only rampant here, but also because given all the myriad theories that abound amongst the population here “relevant” is quite subjective. Besides, I am a sucker for an underdog 🙂
stilllucy said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:31 pm LE officials that committ any form of misconduct should be dealt with. Situations such as the one that TC has claimed, is totally unprofessional. They should know better. Especially with a case such as this that’s been going on for way too long. Their antics are way out of line. IMO
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I totally agree.
Did anyone know Werter was ex-LE before today?
You were also quite confrontative with me.
Cathy Jo,
Me and you were just blogging about this last night about “wondering how Tommy was holding up in Putnam County jail”.
Tommy shouldn’t be forced to say things that may not be true due to being scared of LE. I think LE is incompetent of doing their job. They have been very sloppy for the beginning.JMO
Public access to DOC website information is true but, inmates in DOC do not legally have access to the internet for these purposes.
It is common knowledge that inmates do indulge in illegal activity while incarcerated, ie: using cell phones to access the internet.
Internet and computer access is very limited to specific sites and/or information to DOC inmates. Facilities such as County/City jails do not have access to computers or the internet. Incarcerated individuals information is highly protected while inside.
IME as soon as a Con gets a new celly he is calling home to see what the guys charges are. They dont need a cellphone to do this, though those are pretty easy to come by too.
I agree KyMom!!!!
WhyLie said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 10:27 pm
vaquera said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 10:22 pm
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oh, the worse of the bunch..interesting
Wonder if Ron had a hand in this?
stilllucy,
They have contact with the outside world and each other. Word gets around. They don’t have to read it on the internet to find out about it.
All institutions have public websites with individuals and their charges, that is public information but, those that are incarcerated are not given that information. May someone on the outside give them information during a visit, possibly. It couldn’t happen in a letter or thru the mail, those letters are not delivered to sender/receivor. Those are kept and saved for investigative puposes if needed.
Once you are incarcerated you do not have the right to this information, legally.
kymom, i betcha it’s more about the Hardy boys gettin ahold of him than Ron. jmo
coop, I am so sorry to hear about your daughter, as a victim of childhood sexual abuse myself, I know how hard it is to move forward. I am so glad that you have gotten yourself and your daughter counseling. Please remember that it will be an ongoing process, she may go several years without needing counseling then hit a place in her life that she will need it again.
I was a victim that our justice totally failed, despite several years of my going to court testifying, my abuser (my father btw) kept dragging the process out, was put in mental institutes several times to determine his ability to stand trial, each time he was deemed capable. Then his family helped him escape the jurisdiction, along with my mother and all my sisters and brothers, and LE decided it was to costly to try and find him and asked me to drop the charges. I refused because I knew my sisters faced the same abuse I had lived through, but LE never lifted a hand to look for him, put him on the states wanted list and that was it. Because I spoke up and tried to stop the abuse I lost my entire immediate family and half of my extended family. I was the “problem” and should have never exposed “family” private secrets. Yes, I have sought counseling several times in the 30 some years since and and can honestly say I do NOT have to forgive my abuser that will have to be left up to a higher power than me. In the same turn, I still believe every citizen of the US has constitutional rights that should never be violated by LE. I would not have wanted my abuser killed by other inmates, that would be too easy of a sentence, I wanted him to serve every last day of his life imprisoned and paying for the crime he committed. To never take a “free” breath again would be a much harsher sentence then the “easy” out of death.
silllucy,
They are allowed visitors and allowed to use the phone. It doesn’t have to be sent in a letter.
That is a myth that all personal info of inmates is protected! They know more about each other than their own families know! Hell, all they have to do is know where a particular inmate is housed to figure out what they are in for. {color of their outfit} is one easy way!
stilllucy, all it takes is a call home to the wife or brother or sister or girlfriend, whatever, anyone who has a computer. and as for mail, it is monitored, but not that closely. They certainly dont read every line of every letter that goes in and out….not even close. Unless the inmates mail has been “flagged” for something suspicious.
KyMom,with Haleigh?
If so I think he has a big part in it…jmo
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:44 pm kymom, i betcha it’s more about the Hardy boys gettin ahold of him than Ron. jmo
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Who are the Hardy boys? The son and his co-accused or LE?
My only point is, it is not permitted legally. That is protected information for security purposes and anyone caught violating the rules, is denied visitation and their mail is subjected to constant scrutiny/searches.
Are there ways around this, ofcourse. It’s another rule to break for the convicts but, it is monitored, closely………
The letters that I intercepted were indeed forwarded after being copied!! I don’t know where some people get their idea of how a jail is run, and I do NOT want to insult anyone, but give me a break!!
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Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
Beautiful*Adams (cent) said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:46 pm That is a myth that all personal info of inmates is protected! They know more about each other than their own families know! Hell, all they have to do is know where a particular inmate is housed to figure out what they are in for. {color of their outfit} is one easy way!
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Yep, they do. And word travels very fast….it’s not like they have a whole lot else to do in there. And I’ve heard of more than one case where people have sneeked a peak at a fellow inmates paperwork to check their charges. Often to see whether or not the person has been a “dog” or “sex offender”.
son and co-accused…sorry about the shorthand, shouldve been more clear.
i gotcha lucy, just pointing out the the “protected information” really isnt so protected at all. It is far more common for them to know than to not know. Any new guy on the pod is subject to scrutiny if another Con cant vouch for him…. and word gets out quickly (immediately)
I doubt that anybody in Putnam county jail doesn’t know about Tommy giving info to LE which led to a search of the river. I doubt that anybody in Putnam county jail doesn’t know that LE has pegged Misty as the “key” in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings. I doubt anybody in Putnam county jail doesn’t know all about the Croslins and that LE suspects Tommy and Misty of being involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.
I myself have monitored telephone calls and cut the call off if needed. I have also denied inmates visitation if felt there was a security risk. They are permitted to have visits from clergy or attorneys and that’s all that’s required by law. I’m just stating what is legally permitted not what happens. There are ways around all the rules and laws, HELLO, they are inmates……….Been there, done that.
I give up………
Thx for that. Not unclear…just given today’s events, wasn’t sure who you meant.
If Tommy’s lawyer can establish it was possibly done as some sort of payback for what happened to Hardy’s son, they all ought to be locked up. I can’t help but think that may have played a part in it. I think at least 5 of them were locked up, and I know one of them only got bail last week.
WHAT does this mean? Im lost….what did i miss??
The letters that I intercepted were indeed forwarded after being copied!! I don’t know where some people get their idea of how a jail is run, and I do NOT want to insult anyone, but give me a break!!
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Don’t know if you missed anything!
ME, i firmly believe the move was purposeful, either maliciously, so the Hardy boys or their cronies could get revenge or so PCSO could have more access and control of Tommys situation to squeeze him. Him being lied to about his lawyer, if that is true is proof in the pudding of an agenda.
Hey, anyone remember Haleigh????
That’s who this article/site is about!
I will stop back in later once all the nonsense stops from the last two days.
Later.
what letters were intercepted?
Me too!
JenM, we r talking about TC’s situation, which is what this article is about. What is the problem?
If it was my son in there going through that,an had only been charged for drugs.I would be in a fit,of worry,as well as anger.An be bring this to the light as much as i could.
I believe Misty has been done this way as well.I remember back when they were pulling her out of her cell,around the time she took the last LDT.an she was complaing also.About not really wanting to talk with out her attorny,but they were seting uo the test.An she didnt want to take the test,she had been being pulled out at night..She looks really bad to me,an its not just weight gain,That girl looks way rougher inside than she did out side on pills.Her face was so swollen.
Officers of the stae should act according.They are trained,an are suppose to act according to their traning/not there emotions,anger.My friend growing up he was hurt bad by severl other inmates,an almost lost his life.In a little country jail.only in for 2 weekends serving off a traffic charge.He was placed in ICU for a while..He won a major Lawsuit much money.How ever it took yrs for him to get over what happened to him.Health wise,as well as mentaly.The ones in charge to make sure he was safe just wernt doing their job.4 got fired
LE WASNT PLACED OVER TC TO MAN HANDLE HIM.TC WASNT RESISTING ARREST..No matter how tough a man talks,anyone would be scared they could die at the hands of LE, as well as inmates.An if all the cells are the same fine.But if LE has chosen to place him in a unsanitory cell,out of meaness.Then its a health hazzard,an wrong.
When a prisoner ,or Jail inmate ask for their attorny. Right then all questions should stop.I Dont like the no phone calls that makes LE look like they were keeping him from letting his attorny know what was happning.Is this how all inmates are treated in PC when LE is seeking.needing a confession???? Man this could be like one of those old detective movies where they beat a confession out of a criminal….
TC never made comment about LE before about LE Being mean to him.So i tend to believe hes may be being truthful…
If they did record it, the tape may come up missing. I so hope im wrong about them.I thought they were quiet because they were getting ready to arrest someone..LOL when all along Hardy an his possies been bulling TC.If im wrong forgive me.LOL sounds like PC IS FULL OF READ NECK OFFICERS OF THE STATE. Oh My i better stop before i get im trouble lol.
Get off your butts an solve this case,its not gona be done roughing up a inmate,it wont be handed to them on a silver platter..LE needs to look outside the box for change,come back to them later if it doesnt fit you cant force it…..
.Tommy is the reason drug agents started a sting on Hardys son,by what he said to Lindsey in his recorded released to the public call.An that put pressure on Drug agents to make a arrest.Hardy was embarressed by this arrest,an he knows who pointed the finger at his son.Didnt look good for his short time in office there.So hes more than likly PO about that also,as well as frustrated when he cant solve this case.Cant find HaLiegh.
An im sure it has embarressed S Hardy in front of the public,as well a those he works with.So he has motive to be ugly to TC.Along with what he feels like about the failed river search.Ab frustation of wanting to find HaLieghs an get anwsers.I do know how he feels.
People get shanked all the time in jails,as well as prisons.An im very sure they who know Ron,as well as those who know about the case.Will never tell on LE,or each other no matter what.Because if Le acts like this,WITH TC.The inmates will be afraid to speak up.Because they will be left behind to also feel Hardys,his possies wrath.
S. H. seems to think HaLieghs dead.An if he had evidence,an SA would hand down a inditement some one would be charged.But that hasnt happened,an theres still a chance that shes alive.What happened to Investigators giving TC smokes buying him burgers.I see its all changed.
MrsM,
Sorry, I thought you knew that I worked in jails in Cali. Was not speaking about any of the 5 the their letters!
Everyone is so testy! Sheesh! Goin’ to bed!
BA, OIC, so what were you meaning?
Me – Did I read correctly that your child was a victim of sexual abuse? If so, I am so very, very sorry for you. I can’t imagine your pain. I hope the monster that hurt your child is behind bars and suffering.
We all come to the table (this blog) with a different perspective based on our life experiences.
I am always humbled by people’s strength.
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:59 pm ME, i firmly believe the move was purposeful, either maliciously, so the Hardy boys or their cronies could get revenge or so PCSO could have more access and control of Tommys situation to squeeze him. Him being lied to about his lawyer, if that is true is proof in the pudding of an agenda.
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Yep, I totally agree. I think Werter’s action is going to pull them into line big time. C
MrsM,
It was in response to people thinking that Jails are ran so tight, that the passing of info is not done thru mail.
Mrsm,
Ita. So much testiness over opinions. Maybe jans article at the top of the page needs a re-read. Think I will and hopefully her rules are followed. I’d hate to see what happened last night happene again over a difference of opinion.
Jan57,
Great post!
ahhhh BA thanks for clearing that up for me. I was trying to impart the same info 🙂 They cannot possibly read thousands of letters a day. (if you include in and out)And mail is mostly antiquated anyway when cellphones are a dime a dozen and even barring that there are collect calls and visits….neither of which are thoroughly monitored for basically the same reasons.
omg am I in the twilight zone?
I agree MrsM @ 11:12pm
Jaba I don’t understand why you insist on stirring the pot, just let it go!!
JillF said,in July 1st, 2010 at 11:06 pm Me – Did I read correctly that your child was a victim of sexual abuse? If so, I am so very, very sorry for you.
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Thank you for your kind words but it wasn’t me. Sadly Coop’s child was the victim.
didnt know until now you work at a prison btw…i interned under a case manager counselors at 2 Penn prisons. I really concentrated on “corrections” in the majority of my research during my Graduate program.
Last year (2009) an inmate died at the PCSO jail, after being shot while trying to escape.
Also in2009 a Frank Mongal who was arrested for disorderly conduct & resisting arrest without violence, died a day after being released. He defacted on himself as he was waiting to be processed. He was unable to stand on his own, two of the correctional officers helped(?) him up and he fell against a wall and sustained injuries. The two officers then dragged him down the hall & showered him. He was released the next day and admitted to a hospital where he dued of pneumonia1 Both officers received letters of reprimand! Info from Gainesville.com
California’s State inmate population is 167,000 as opposed to my state with 24,000. I’m sure that things are alot different in California.
We try to keep it as organized and safe for all involved, inmates and officers.
I was responding to the actual rules not what can and does truly happen. No offense meant.
Just saying.
CathyJo63 said,in July 1st, 2010 at 11:15 pm omg am I in the twilight zone?
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I hear ya. So, what do you think….will we now get fresh LE to look at this case?
Beautiful*Adams (cent) said,in July 1st, 2010 at 11:15 pm I agree MrsM @ 11:12pm
Jaba I don’t understand why you insist on stirring the pot, just let it go!!
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I second that.
good info alex, TY
Thanks Me –
Coop – I am so very, very sorry for you. I can’t imagine your pain. I hope the monster that hurt your child is behind bars and suffering.
We all come to the table (this blog) with a different perspective based on our life experiences.
I am always humbled by people’s strength.
P.S. I am not sure I could let go of that anger. Way too hard.
Macy–I think you have LadySadie mixed up with LadyonaMission if I recall correctly. JMO
No/Yes CathyJo… Twilight is accurate, but the zone is incorrect!
still lucy, i knew what you meant and i wasnt trying to be argumentative with you, just wanted to make it clear that what the rules are and how it actually goes down are usually worlds apart.
Just a lurker not a poster. I enjoy reading your posts. Keeps me up on Haleigh. I would hate to see the comments be turned off. I read enough to know who likes to rattle everyones cages. Let it go people.
me said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 11:18 pm
CathyJo63 said,in July 1st, 2010 at 11:15 pm omg am I in the twilight zone?
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I hear ya. So, what do you think….will we now get fresh LE to look at this case?
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Only fresh LE needs to be the FBI. FDLE put fresh eyes in the case last Aug. his name was Jason Joliecour.I think he’s as bad as PCSO and hasn’t done anymore than them…except maybe to arrest Hank, SR on doctor shopping.
Alex,
Ouch, that’s a horrible story.
LadySadie is an advocate of foster care and I am against it for that reason.
vaq,
Do the FBI have jurisdiction to become involved? I’m not from the USA so don’t know how your LE systems work. I sure hope an independent and intelligent group of LE take it over.
CJ: Beating my head against that wall really hurt! Got a headache. Going to crash. Gotta jump back into it tomorrow and deal with the bad guys.
Good Night all and good luck!
Justice for HaLeigh
So Tommy was just taken out of protective custody last week
Attorney: Tommy Croslin Being Mistreated in Putnam Jail
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — The attorney for Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr. has filed a motion saying his client is being mistreated in jail.
Attorney James Werter said Croslin, who is being held on drug charges but is a notable figure in the search for Haleigh Cummings, was taken out of protective custody last week and that his situation deteriorated.
In a motion for Order to Show Cause and Order of Prohibition Request for Expedited Hearing filed with the State Attorney’s office and delivered to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, Werter said Croslin’s new accommodation in the Putnam County Correctional Facility has “inadequate ventilation” and “defective plumbing.”
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=158126&catid=3
I’ve worked in social services for 10 years. There are good foster parents and bad ones. I think the monitoring needs to be more intensive.
I’m way behind as usual but Tommy’s charges are trafficking oxycodone, not hydrocodone I’m pretty sure. I think they referred to them as “roxies” in the phone calls.
A new set of le eyes would be great for Haleighs case.
At least the new le knows where to find some of the ‘players’.
I still think ron was at werk and the 911 call was phony. I just wish I knew for surem
Gnite Lucy!!!!!!!
me said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
vaq,
Do the FBI have jurisdiction to become involved? I’m not from the USA so don’t know how your LE systems work. I sure hope an independent and intelligent group of LE take it over.
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They have to be asked or shown that LE is corrupt. Maybe I should write to Werter and see if maybe he can get the FBI to get involved. LOL
MrsM: You are right on! I now work with APS and CPS and know exactly what you mean. Deal with foster parents every day. Just like everything with the gov’t, some bad and some super great……..
Good night
would love to see the FBI take over
Me too MrsM!
yall know I don’t know the legalities but did i hear somebody say the FBI can’t get involved if its a homicide case,curious because we just heard a few days ago they classified it as a H?
yall know I don’t know the legalities but did i hear somebody say the FBI can’t get involved if its a homicide case,curious because we just heard a few days ago they classified it as a H?
MrsM, I am sure you do a great job. I am almost 62 so it has been a long, long time since I did my 13 years. I was in the system form 5-18.
It struck a nerve with me that someone would say that the children should be taken without knowing if another family member had stepped up to take responsibility.
Maybe thats why,if I am correct?
2 ladys..
I hope any foster situation is good for all parties. Obviously its not.
I wish people who take these kids in have their best interests at heart. Some probably only see the money from it.
Its easy to say you will care for another in that situation, its a whole ‘nuther thing to plan it out and do it right by the kids.
Jaba,
The only players I see at the moment are the incompetent LE who have badly messed this case up. Fresh LE would take a fresh look at this case. Not all of them are as bad as this lot and I would hope they’d be looking at a lot more than what PCSO looked at.
stilllucy, if you really want to get to the heart of it, the big problem is the lack of funding (value placed on) for social services. Those who monitor have HUGE caseloads and they CANT do their job effectively though most (ime) very much want to.
vaquera said,in July 1st, 2010 at 11:29 pm me said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
vaq,
Do the FBI have jurisdiction to become involved? I’m not from the USA so don’t know how your LE systems work. I sure hope an independent and intelligent group of LE take it over.
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They have to be asked or shown that LE is corrupt. Maybe I should write to Werter and see if maybe he can get the FBI to get involved. LOL
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Give it a go! You’d have to think corruption is a real possibility here. Hopefully Werter is seeing dollar signs and wants to go after them hard. I wonder who will hire Peggy Cone and the others when they loses their jobs with PCSO? I assume they’ll be fired if this is proven?
Hardy’s mantra when he was running for sheriff was to clean up the corruption, so we know PCSO was corrupt in 08 when Hardy won the election.Guess Hardy didn’t do enough house cleaning.
i hear you Lady, but sometimes other family members are just as bad. My husband was passed from family member to family member and foster home to foster home….he wishes to this day he’d been left with a foster family. All of the abuse (very extensive) he suffered from birth through 16 was at the hands of various family members.
When I lived in foster care it was almost unheard of to be from a “broken hom” so that in itself was tough. Some kids at school were not allowed to associate with us for that reason.
My, how times have changed.
MrsM: I have found it more rewarding working with Catholic Social Sevices rather than Gov’t agencies. It’s a whole different atmosphere. I’m kind of partial I guess, my aunt is one of the directors. The “host” families just seem more grounded and the cost is not an issue here.
Really, off to lala land.
I just keep refreshing, gotta stop that! LOL
I had better get off to bed too. I am making typos like a crazy lady.
I see 5 drug delaers who have a date with a judge. 3 of 5 have been there. Just waiting to see if the other two will take it to trial like many who read here. Wed like to see some evidence.
I’m thinking it might just be that they are guilty and they don’t want all their business on the street, so to speak. Idk, though.
I think ron pleads leaving misty’s attorney to defend her. Hope he gives good advice, I’d hate to see her spend 10 extra years because she though she was innocent now, which differs from video tapes and her own language on jail tapes.
We’ll know soon, I hope.
me said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 11:36 pm
vaquera said,in July 1st, 2010 at 11:29 pm me said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 11:25 pm
vaq,
Do the FBI have jurisdiction to become involved? I’m not from the USA so don’t know how your LE systems work. I sure hope an independent and intelligent group of LE take it over.
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They have to be asked or shown that LE is corrupt. Maybe I should write to Werter and see if maybe he can get the FBI to get involved. LOL
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Give it a go! You’d have to think corruption is a real possibility here. Hopefully Werter is seeing dollar signs and wants to go after them hard. I wonder who will hire Peggy Cone and the others when they loses their jobs with PCSO? I assume they’ll be fired if this is proven?
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I doubt any of them are fired. One of the first deputies on the scene that night was Teresa Odom. She got in trouble for buying illegal steroids from another deputy. The selling deputy got to resign and Odom got demoted, if it had been some Joe Blow they would be in jail. Merchant supposedly got caught with some cocaine a few years back, he is lead detective on Haleigh’s case.
I am sure there are some good deputies working for PCSO but it seems like the ones that are higher ranked are the corrupted ones.
me too, going nitey nite..have a good one y’all
There are those of us who thank God for adoption,and foster people who are willing to care for a child (in every way) because their own won’t!
There are plenty of bad foster homes as well as bad family members! But personally,I am so Thankful!
Lady,I know the feeling,I was the only adoptee in my entire school,and people back then treated you like a freak b/c it was unheard of! Like a dirty little secret!
IF is the smallest big word there is.
🙂
jaba,
Have you heard the phone calls? The Judge will. And the cops will have to be cross-examined. It won’t just be about the car tapes.
i was an oddball adoptee too CJ!!! Met my bio mom in recent years and she is SUCH a nutbag! Mean spirited and self centered and crazy! She found me. I had no desire to find her. I LOVE MY MOMMY 🙂 so thankful i was adopted at birth
MrsM said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 11:34 pm
stilllucy, if you really want to get to the heart of it, the big problem is the lack of funding (value placed on) for social services. Those who monitor have HUGE caseloads and they CANT do their job effectively though most (ime) very much want to.
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Boy I absolutely agree with this. Spend less money on jails and much, much more money on social services! Get the help to the children before they become dysfunctional adults!
AMEN Lady! Amen…from your lips to Gods ears
read “Ghosts from the Nursery; tracing the roots of violence” It was nominated for the Pulitzer. Authors Robin Karr-Morse and Meridith Wiley
Stilllucy- Here in CA we have a prison that is just for the baddest of the bad! It’s called Pelican Bay! You would think that you would find people like Charles Manson or Richard Ramirez but you would be wrong because they aren’t as evil as the low profile cases that are sent thereThe California Department of Corrections Training Center is located here in Galt. We provided medical care for the Teaching Staff as well as the Correctional Officers in training. One of the Officers who was teaching a class brought a student in for medical care. The officer was assigned to CIW in Chino. That’s a women’s prison. She told me about an inmate who was in prison there because she allowed her boyfriend to have sex with her 16 month old daughter. Other inmates found out about her charges and inserted a hot curling iron into her! I feel that Sex offenders all belong in a Pelican Bay type prison, I don’t think they can be rehabilitated!
i agree they cant be rehabilitated….thats why many do not want to be released.
Aww,MrsM,Thats so good to hear!!!!!! I’m glad your’s was so good!
I have the deepest respect for Adoptive Parents!!
If not for them,Who would take care of all the kid’s that simply are not wanted? or abused?
or just not taken care of period!
No I haven’t heard anything by the way of phone calls to misty or anything.
I’m looking forward to it though. I want to see if folks who think she was entraped are right or wrong.
If she was entraped, let her go. Their are plenty of people who are willing to help her get on with her life from this point.
If not, sentence her like floridians call for. Its their choice and their state.
I’d love to hear it all. If it goes long enough I may run out of popcorn and have to go to fritos or something.
Seriously, I want some RESOLUTION to all this case has to offer. Maybe this is the summer of that.
oops sent before I finished…. All inmates are in PC there!
My parents were on a waiting list for several years for me. I was very very wanted and loved.
OMG Alex,I’d have to say she deserved the curling iron!
and then some! Thank God for Karma!
I am so glad Mrsm!
I was given to my aparents at age 2,but not adopted by them till age 12!
But I always knew I was and lived about 10 miles from my bmum (alcoholic)my whole life!
2 bothers were adopted in Minn,and a sister in Kansas! We were 2,3,4,5!
Mrsm.
Well , imo, from reading you here, they got the pick of the litter…so to speak. Not comparing you to animal births, just sayin, they and you seem to have made a hell of a relationship. Good for you!
Looks like you are a doer!! Keep up the hard work on your advanced degree, its impressive to me. I only have one measly degeree that I earned, barely…but had a great time ‘earning it’. 🙂
CathyJo- The stories I could tell, it kind of got me sick, hearing what these inmates did to get there and then what inmates do to each other. Pelican Bay is near the Oregon Border so many of the inmates there rarely get visits, especially if they are from the LA area. But no one put them there but themselves.
Mrsm,The hardest time in my life I guess was when I became a Mother,thats when it got to me the most because I thought,This little girl is my baby and God I could never be without her!No way!
IF you have never read it,I tell ya you got to get this book,”Primal wound” by Nancy Newton Verrier,its on amazon for maybe 15 bux,but I always wondered why i was the way I was,lol I know you know what I mean by that……but this book for the first time validated my feelings and it was so good to see that I was afterall normal? but an adoptee..lol
She wrote the book as she raised her adopted daughter,and omg,you need to get it,lol
Mrsm,The hardest time in my life I guess was when I became a Mother,thats when it got to me the most because I thought,This little girl is my baby and God I could never be without her!No way!
IF you have never read it,I tell ya you got to get this book,”Primal wound” by Nancy Newton Verrier,its on amazon for maybe 15 bux,but I always wondered why i was the way I was,lol I know you know what I mean by that……but this book for the first time validated my feelings and it was so good to see that I was afterall normal? but an adoptee..lol
She wrote the book as she raised her adopted daughter,and omg,you need to get it,lol
Right Alex,I don’t think they ever deserve a 2nd chance! They belong there till they die! jmo
They take that childs life! So theirs should mean nothing! jmo
CathyJo63 said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 10:48 pm
KyMom,with Haleigh?
If so I think he has a big part in it…jmo
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I think maybe hand in Haleigh case. But I was talking about Tommy . Ron have made some friends in jail. Didn’t Tommy want in general population when he was in St John’s County?
Misty always talked about Her being on the news and in the news papers. That might be how some of the jailbirds know about Misty blaming Tommy and Joe for Haleigh’s disappearance. JMO
So why isn’t Hank or Lisa allowed to visit Tommy? Wonder if Lindsy has been visiting him?
I’m not certain KyMom but i think b/c of their probation and fines??
MrsM said,in July 1st, 2010 at 11:54 pm My parents were on a waiting list for several years for me. I was very very wanted and loved.
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You grew not under your mom’s heart,
But in it?? LoL
Thats how I look at it!
vaquera said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 11:37 pm
Hardy’s mantra when he was running for sheriff was to clean up the corruption, so we know PCSO was corrupt in 08 when Hardy won the election.Guess Hardy didn’t do enough house cleaning.
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hardly… the idiot can’t keep his own son in line how is he supposed to corral officers run amok? He JOINED em cause he couldn’t beat em!
(probably was one of em the whole time)
run amok? lol ain’t heard that in forever,lol
KyMom,Tommys thing worries me!
because of Haleighs case!
I think it is very strange that naynay was convinved to write a letter claiming WBG was involved. then that didnt work. Jeremiah Regan was in the fake search with his dad John who found naynays keys in the Fake search, who claim they were fbi. they are actually good friends with the cops harrassing Tommy IMO. So maybe the cops are trying to make Tommy say something he didnt do. I do not agree with having druggies on the street either but Tommy does have Civil Rights as we all do. It does happen where people admit to something they didnt do all the time.
pennyyyy said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 10:00 pm
come on…. tommy has been all but demanding to go to general pop the entire time hes been behind bars…
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absolutely NOT TRUE! he never did that once..
stop lying!
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OJ this is true, he was begging to get out in GP but that was when he was in St John’s County Jail, not in Putnam County, big difference I think. It was with his Dad and Lindsy I believe.
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
Cathy Jo
I don’t know if justice will ever get served for Haleigh. It is so sad. I don’t know if Tommy is responsible for Haleigh disappearing but I do find it odd that Lindsy says he was a home in the bed that night. I don’t think she knows anything. I think maybe if Tommy did do something that he would have told her. Or she would have noticed him acting different if he did do something. I don’t know anymore. I change my mind about who is involved aleast one time a week.lol
Maybe but later when she asked IIRC,Was it you? somebody correct me id I’m wrong but i think thats what she asked Tommy,so that makes me wonder,I would have never asked my husband if he did that? Because i know he wouldn’t have! jmo ya know!
Its like tneves. The “poor me” former druggie who steps up AFTER its too late and her grandkid is gone. She couldn’t lick drugs for ronbo and look at him now. A guy looking at 15-25.
I think self responsibility is crucial to parenting. How can you take care of your kids PROPERLY if you are high as a kite? Ron didn’t do it either. Tommy, nope. What a shame.
OJ- I don’t know what Hardy is doing to clean up PCSO but if it’s just letters of reprimand then where’s the justice? The officers should be treated like any other citizen caught doing the same thing and receive the same punishment!
Hi Cathy JO
I think Lindsy asked Tommy that at that point in time because cops were making her think he had something to do with it.
That is true. But what makes me so mad is that LE has made all of us think Tommy had a hand in this and now we really don’t know because they have been threatening him. But Who questioned him when he blamed it on Tommy St john’s county or Putnam county LE?
Kris,I am not sure,that was just moo! lol
Bingo KyMom,thats whats confused Misty too,betcha! jmo If they did it to Tommy,they would her? jmo
Are this charges just on Putnam County LE? Or ST john also?
M,I don’t know,lol I hadn’t thought about that,lol
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By Kate Howard
An attorney for Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr. has asked a judge to prohibit any investigators from interviewing him without notifying his attorney.
In court documents filed today, attorney James Werter said that Croslin, who was transferred to the Putnam County jail last week, was interrogated by Putnam County investigators and denied an attorney.
He was told “that he did not need an attorney and that the attorney of record and his private investigator were ‘rat-ing’ him out,” according to the motion.
Croslin is the brother of Misty Croslin, who was watching 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings before her disappearance in February 2009 in Satsuma. Both Croslins and Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, are in jail awaiting sentencing on prescription drug charges.
Werter declined commenting beyond the court filings.
The court documents said that officers berated Croslin Jr., accused him of murdering Haleigh and threatened to spread false information to other prisoners to cause him physical harm.
The motion also asks a judge for an order that the investigators appear in court to say why they shouldn’t be held in contempt for civil rights violations.
Maj. Gary Bowling with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said he couldn’t comment on the issue because of that request, but he said the department will speak with the court if asked to do so.
Croslin Jr. was being held in jail in St. Johns County until last week to keep him away from a co-defendant, Putnam County officials said at the time. He pleaded no contest on June 3 to trafficking hydrocodone and no longer needed to be held separately, according to the Sheriff’s Office.
He was being held in protective custody but is now in general population in Putnam County, according to the court documents.
A hearing is scheduled for July 16.
Tommy may know something and I really think Misty does. I think they have some reason for not saying what they know. what ever the reason its being covered greatly.
We don’t KNOW all of what is going on. We Are NOT privy to all. Wish we were.
We will be if a drug case goes to trial.
misty may be the strongest one of all of them and take it to trial. I hope so. I want to see and hear exaclty what they have on her and the 3F gang, other than video tapes of the dealing and the jail tapes or her admitting it.
If misty gets off I wonder if the others will appeal?
Krislyn at 1246… Good point. I think ron and misty no more than they have told.
I still think ron was at werk but I think he knows something now. Maybe he was the man in black, or blue(his werk unifrom)…but that comes from junior who probably isn’t the best witness at his young age. And he shouldn’t be a ‘witnessk of any crime, poor little fella. He should me wiping his muddy feet on the carpet, like kids will do, not trying to tell le what happened when misty was 3 feet from his sister.
Did Tommy take LD test after he said Joe did it?
Yes,I believe thats the one Lindsey decided to divorce him over?? IIRC,LoL
When it rains it pours!
I don’t think Ron did anythin intentional. I think he loved Haleigh or he would not have took and jr from Crystal. I think if knows something I think it is because Haleigh might have taken one of his pills.JMO
Jaba- That’s what I don’t get about Misty getting up facing Haleigh’s bed, leaves the room, comes back & discovers Haleigh gone. Why didn’t she notice her gone when she left the room?
Get an umbrella for big storms. This is the time of year for it.
I’m going to bed. Good night everyone.
the first 911 call was at 2:13 ron did call misty 90 times. He did call Tommy as well worried. they did fight that night before Ron went to work.
Misty DID KNOW Haleigh was gone at 2:13 and she fell asleep (maybe was doped up). Misty and Ron know what happened. IMO
Maybe whoever took Haleigh knocked misty out? I dont know all the pieces. Why wont police release info from the start on facts so the case can get solved easier?
ky mom- I’m not so sure about Ron taking the children because he loved them. Many parents use the children as pawns in a game of revenge!
He doesn’t seem to care about his child with Amber!
Alex,
That’s my question too.
Gnite KyMom!
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ky mom said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 12:54 am Did Tommy take LD test after he said Joe did it?
CathyJo63 said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 12:58 am Yes,I believe thats the one Lindsey decided to divorce him over?? IIRC,LoL
CathyJo63 said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 am When it rains it pours!
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Keep your snide not so subtle tips to youself Jaba,I would not use rain in a sentence for you! ty
right Kris,exactly,why don’t they?
KrisLyn said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 am
the first 911 call was at 2:13 ron did call misty 90 times. He did call Tommy as well worried. they did fight that night before Ron went to work.
Misty DID KNOW Haleigh was gone at 2:13 and she fell asleep (maybe was doped up). Misty and Ron know what happened. IMO
Maybe whoever took Haleigh knocked misty out? I dont know all the pieces. Why wont police release info from the start on facts so the case can get solved easier?
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you have got to be joking????????
KrisLyn- I don’t think they care if it’s solved! If they did they turn the phone records over to CathyJo and she could diseminate them to us. It would be a start know ing who called , when & from where!
We all know he sure didn’t do Jr any favors either Alex!
For sure CathyJo!
KrisLyn Said,
Why wont police release info from the start on facts so the case can get solved easier?
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CathyJo63 said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 am right Kris,exactly,why don’t they?
Sorry i goofed,You didn’t know what part I agreed on!
LoL I wish they would,lol
CathyJo- I still think Misty is covering for Ron, he had her tell these outrageous stories to have her take the fall if whatever he’s covering up came to light, jmo.
Oj no joke
I hope there is an investigation. I feel they want it solved asap under false pretense.
Ron and Misty are VERY AFRAID IMO
How do you know there were 90 calls? and that misty went back to sleep? no proof of that I ever saw!
I’d bet on it Alex!!!!!!!!!
She’s protecting him!
Misty doesn’t know at all?? jmo
Hi cathyJo
what I meant was they just dont want the TRUTH be known and if Cops dont want the Truth out WHY? whats ALL tied into this mess?
Cathyjo
I dont know about the real # of calls. As I listen to Padilla and others on the 83009 tape he says they was ALOT of calls. IT has been verified that the pings were from his phone at his job.
who called 911 at 2:13?
right Alex,he knew she didn’t know,she wasn’t involved on the Haleigh part,and he did not know it would bring all this to light? media and all??
Thats why imo TN and Ron were telling her what to do and say!
and imo,thats the part she lied about on the ld test when he asked if she thought ron would do something to Haleigh…..and he knew right then she was lying! jmo
Cry me a river. That’s a song that applies to this case.
Wish we had more info that was solid.
Don’t think she called ron 90 times. May have been 20, but we really don’t know, KRISLYn, until we see the phone records.
I also think misty woke up near 3…again, unless we see some hard evidence of a 2:13 call.
Still, misty had at least 25 minutes before she called le at rons insistance.
She could have walked 2 miles in that time. The trailer aint that big. 🙂
right Kris,the pings yes,I am just asking how you know the specifics,lol or rather where can we see the article or whatever,and I agree that I want the truth too??????
CathyJo-Do you think after Tommy gets sentenced and moves on they’ll move Misty back to PC?
KrisLyn said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 am the first 911 call was at 2:13
?? you said it,lol
To be honest Alex,I ain’t much on the legalities but i wish i knew! lol
Jaba- maybe she couldn’t lift the mattress to look under the bed!
jaba i said ron called misty ALOT of times. i dont know if it was 90. he called tommy (which he hated) to check on misty. obv he was worried. who called 911 1st time and why did misty fall asleep?why would bounty hunters ect.. make up that stuff? that misty was scared to death also? If the people who said that made it up which i doubt, thats just not understable.thy can get info more than media can of course.
KrisLyn said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:18 am Hi cathyJo
what I meant was they just dont want the TRUTH be known and if Cops dont want the Truth out WHY? whats ALL tied into this mess?
Thats my stand,its a mess!!!!!!!!!!
KrisLyn said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:15 am
Oj no joke
I hope there is an investigation. I feel they want it solved asap under false pretense.
Ron and Misty are VERY AFRAID IMO
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you said I quote..
“ron did call misty 90 times.”
“Misty DID KNOW Haleigh was gone at 2:13”
“Misty and Ron know what happened”
you made these statements of fact at 1:04 am
and like I said earlier..
“you have got to be joking????????”
because they are NOT FACT!!
do you get it now? I wasn’t joking I was being fascious at your ridiculous comment.
just thought you knew something we didn’t b/c I remember yours and Treece convo the other night……..wasn’t it you? lol
cathyjo
i think one i belive the 1st 911 call because of who I heard it from stating misty fell asleep before she called at 3:27. I also beleive if you look at the raw 911 transcript and look at what the putnam codes are on that call and what they mean. maybe you would think that. I have heard over and over Misty KNEW she was gone over an hr before she called.
Good questions Klyn, I wish we had all the answers. We will, someday, imo.
ROFL@Alex
Thats what i mean Kris,I’d love to know,have proof of that??
oj how do you know its not true that the call is being covered when there is evidence of it out there? did you listen to the 083009 tape and gather what you think could have happened and why the panel stated that? I do know some of the things I said as fact. can i post them, no.
cathy I have some proof that could give clear indication thats true.
Alexandria Loring said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:23 am
CathyJo-Do you think after Tommy gets sentenced and moves on they’ll move Misty back to PC?
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alex, where did you hear she was moved out of PC?
TY OJ,thats how i took it,it sounded like she was stating it as true,lol sorry Kris……i just misundersttod i guess,lol
Very little of what any of those involved makes sense. We make more sense here and don’t know 1/10th of what they know!
how is that tho,if no one has released it or le hasn’t? or hasn’t shared that info rather?
LoL Alex,thats sad when we know more? lol
I hope Haleigh is ok. I hope she didnt suffer if she is dead. I hope if she was abducted and alive she is happy. If thats the case, why would someone do that? for Power? worried about her environment? I dont know.
Honestly CathyJo, I don’t know which one of us bloggers has stated what actually happened but if we ever find out the truth I would not be surprised if someone on the blog had already stated the solution as their theory!
I pray she is Kris,but if someone did take her i just have doubts it was for concern! money,revenge, yes.
……jmo
Sorry OJ BY PC< I meant PutnamCounty not Protective Custody!
O Lord yes,I have always known that,Thats why too Alex,I listen to alllllllll the reporters,even ones others don’t agree with b/c the truth is out here somewhere and nobody knows anything yet at all and one that we accused of bad reporting may be the one who had it right,as is the case with us too! lol
CathyJo
money and revenge I do feel thats the reason.
If we had minute by minute ‘records’ of activity it may make more sense. As of now, we don’t, we have conjetcure based on sparse facts.
somebody somewhere has already figured it out cause we got more theories than carter has pills! lol
I am certain of that Kris!
CJ-ROFLMAO
Its the truth Alex! lol
Alexandria Loring said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:41 am
Sorry OJ BY PC< I meant PutnamCounty not Protective Custody!
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sorry, misunderstood..you’re absoutely correct.
Well goodnight everyone! I spent most of the day in the ER with mom, she’s bleeding from her colon again and refused to be admitted as well as refusing a transfusion. Have to take her back ti the doctor tomorrow & then on Sat, Sun & Mon to urgent care for her hemoglobin to be checked. If she passes out I can get her admitted! But she is the most stubborn person I know!
aw,Sorry to hear that Alex,Gnite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I been multitaskin here,lol
Godspeed, alex. Hope ‘mama’ will be ok.
You can see misty free if she gets off. You can take her in if you really want to. I bet it helps her, as I’ve said before.
You’d be a great role model for her. You’ve ‘made it’.
This is the most disturbing topic of all thats been put up for discussion, should it be true we all need to do something about it. You know very well LE doesn’t have anything to go on,they have created all these scenarios, hoping someone is going to give..Well they need to wake up, what if none of them are involved, their drug charges should be dropped as well, as that was just a sting to get them all in jail and see who would talk, well in my opinion they no nothing, just what people have put in their heads, I believe HaLeigh was taken, whoever did it, knows Misty’s habbits, and they acted on it, as far as Misty goes, she wasn’t home, that is what she is guilty of.
Tommy was most likely moved to Putnam and treated in this manner, because he is to be sentenced for the drug charge on July 6th and they needed time to work him for answers, because with Tommy its their last kick at the cat once he gets sentenced,or you could also think of it this way also, they know the drug charges are all trumped up, and may have done this knowingly it will all get thrown out, and when Hopes comes up on appeal, she will win also,how else can they let these people go to prison for over a 100 yrs, give me a break already and how stupid do they think the average person is? Jeff needs to put his big boy pants on as well, he knew about what his Son was doing, it didn’t take Tommy pointing any fingers for him to find out, and where is his Son,looks like they pulled many stunts on all these 5 in jail, what, there is no good old fashion LE work anymore, all this trumped up stuff because of all their bungling in the first place, Misty told them over and over they needed to move on and look elsewhere,did they,no, they just stayed focused on her, now they all look like the fools they are, anyone want to bet HaLeigh is alive and hidden from State to State?
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They don’t come across as “friendly words” at all. Can you not stop this? I don’t get it, and frankly, it is you that is coming across as needing the part time job or some sort of hobby. I hope you understand, I just mean those as friendly words of encouragement and enlightenment.
CJ, please just report this and the other posts to Jan and try to ignore.
I can’t say I’m surprised that many of the Putnam County Sheriff’s deputies are…*ahem*…Thugs!
Hello everyone.. Happy Friday to a great long weekend! Reading all the comments… just a reminder that Jan did mention that she would consider taking the chat room blog off if the bickering becomes more of an issue.
Can I just say we are all here to help find this little girl and hopefully not let this get to a “colder” case? Some of you have such awesome insight and have really done your homework and research. Let’s be Haleigh’s eyes and ears and arms.. to reach out and bring her home, somehow…
We are here because we all have a vested interest in this child and Junior as well.
If someone ticks you off, (and trust me, I TOTALLY know that feeling) as I work with LOTS of women…(lol).. ignore, silence is golden. The beautiful thing about your own mind is that no one can get into it but yourself. You can think all the negative you want within… it actually helps. Then you can sit back and watch said individual continue to hang themselves and look like an idiot.
If no one responds, you win, they don’t.
Hoping to hang out in here alot this long weekend. BLessings to all… stay safe!
Yea,true ILoves,A person gets tired of it after abit,I refrained until the last straw and I ain’t gonna sit here and be badgered but I will try harder..LoL Thanks!
ThugCops4Christ said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 5:56 am I can’t say I’m surprised that many of the Putnam County Sheriff’s deputies are…*ahem*…Thugs!
LoL Thugs……..
Good morning CathyJo and early birds. Hope everyone has a nice holiday. Me…just grateful to be free and thankful for the ones putting their lives on the line to keep us that way.
Went out to tell the gutter installers to be careful on old roof and fell up the steps and broke my foot 2 days ago…waiting for my ride to go get the cast. LOL…what are ya gonna do? Gotta laugh to keep from crying.
Justice for Haleigh!
Ils,
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Have a great weekend!
Simple…until Tommy is convicted he has rights. When convicted he still has rights. These cops who are harassing Tommy are the same cops who couldn’t find Haleigh. Stop harassing Tommy and find Haleigh you pieces of trash.
Good morning, Everyone! I’m going to go out on a limb here and post the old saying, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
The other day a new person posted a comment and a regular here shot back with the comment, “Excuse me but what bong you been hitting today. . .”
The conversation just swirled on and left the new person in the dust.
She/he has not returned. I can’t blame her. I don’t think any of us would have taken kindly to that response.
Some people whose feelings are hurt or who are treated in a hostile way, just don’t come back or don’t post again. And yet sometimes people who post those kinds of comments are quick to take offense and complain about how they are treated.
Things go pretty fast here sometimes and we get emotional get caught up in it but there’s no reason to hurt each other personally. So how about we consider something like the “five second rule?”
Before responding, count to five – like “one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three, and so on.” And decide if what you want to say and HOW you want to say it is worth it. If so, write it and then either RE-READ it or count to five again before clicking on “Post.” Just an idea. I’m going to give it a try.
M2c,
I saw that too and think you are right on.
It’s just an example, jaba. A number of do the same – maybe on purpose or maybe just posting too fast to consider the effect it will have on the other person.
That’s meant to say “a number of people” – and I want to add that I think that was probably a case of the responder going to fast and not realizing the effect it could have.
But that’s just my opinion. Doesn’t make it better for the newbie.
It is obvious to me that PCSO has nothing when it comes to finding Haleigh or they would have no need to be harassing TC or Misty. I had a great concern when Misty talked about LE taking her out of her cell at night to take a LDT, and now I am even more concerned with these latest allegations about PCSO. Allegations of inappropriate behavior on the part of PCSO has been going on since the beginning of Haleigh’s case and should have been looked into way back then.
It is time for somebody to step in and intervene. Haleigh is a citizen of the state of Florida and HER right to be found is being hampered by what appears to be an inept and possibly corrupt law enforcement agency.
The families, every blasted one of them, need to march down to Hardy’s office with media in tow and DEMAND answers. DEMAND to know WHY Hardy has changed the status of Haleigh’s case and DEMAND proof, physical proof, of the reasoning behind it. They should not accept the PCSO’s mantra of “we’re not going to discuss that” bull crap.
PCSO took these family members in and told them that Haleigh is no longer among the living, and nearly 3 months later have still done nothing to prove that, make an arrest, or he77 even name a person of interest. It is time for Hardy to “poop” or get off the pot and turn this case over to somebody that is capable of finding Haleigh. If he doesn’t then it just shows that he truly has no interest in finding Haleigh at all.
It seems like it is worse at night. Maybe Jan will consider just shutting it down for several hours in the night when people are at their worst. On the other hand, those are the hours that people really need to talk to someone, usually. Just some thoughts.
I think that maybe if those that are disrupting the board would stop and think
WHERE’S HALEIGH
before typing they might rethink what they are posting.
This is about HALEIGH and the constant bickering going back and forth between a few of the posters is DISRESPECTFUL to HALEIGH.
Good Morning! Last night I was just trying to get the point across of the legalities and guidelines that DOC has in place to hinder information being obtained. I know that inmates get around these guidelines but, when something occurs, the DOC is held accountable. I wasn’t trying to fuss with anyone.
CJ, I missed your little tiddy. Just came in late.
Have a great day and I hope to catch up later.
Does anyone know if Jan & Simon are taking the week-end off due to the Holiday?
Morning, Cate! Unfortunately, it happens at all times of the day and night and we have people here from all over the world – when it’s night in the US, it’s day where they are -so I don’t think that would solve it or be fair.
Nothing about shutting down the board is fair because there are plenty of people who blog fairly nicely and it chaps my grits – or whatever the saying is – to see the innocent suffer for the sins of others.
It makes more sense to me for Jan to have a quiet word with whoever and maybe suggest that person take a break from blogging for a few days or something.
Um, wow.
stilllucy, I understood that you were saying legally the information is not given out, but since the average lay person understands that information, drugs, heck even guns, make their way behind bars, certainly PCSO is also aware of that and are also aware that by moving TC to Putnam and putting him in GP they were putting his life in danger.
PSCO knew what they were doing, and they did it for a reason. PSCO has it’s own agenda and unfortunately they hold the power in finding or not finding Haleigh, in finding or not finding the real perp or perps in this case. It is all in their hands, as sad as that may be.
CathyJo, I was reading along and I did not get the joke. Sometimes it’s hard to know what’s meant to be humorous. There were no “lol’s” or smilies which can help convey that (not guarantee it but help).
And that was a new person – at least someone I have not seen here before – and new people might not know us very well and probably have less of an idea of what’s meant to be funny.
I’m not just speaking for me,but for all of us who overcame addiction!
WHERE’S HALEIGH
And may I add, CJ you are super at the one liners. Someone just took your statement the wrong way and I’m sure we are all sorry about that. No offense meant.
yea it is m2,thats for sure but lem,me tell ya,everybody here knows me,including you!
I f i got something mean to say,i got n/p whatsoever,and now I am going to walk away and sit here and mind my own business but ALOT OF PROBLEMS COULD BE SOOLVED IF 15 OTHERS DIDN’T JUMP IN TOO!
Hey Becky, glad to see you back, so sorry to hear about your accident! No fun being in a cast, especially in the summer, and even worse over a holiday weekend!
But the upside, it will force you to sit in one place longer and maybe you will get to spend more time here with us!
All must remember one little issue here.. His current attorney dropped Tommy on the Haleigh issues.. Said he would not represent him.. Now suddenly he’s back and he’s fighting mad??
Tommy has plead out to the charges against him, so he’s waiting for sentencing.. And this new questioning issue.. I don’t see where this attorney has anything to say about it.. he represents Tommy on the drug issues.
Also, there is a little clue in here as to why this attorney is jumping in with both feet.. He and his buddy the PI, are being accused of a tell all against Tommy. Now, that may not have set well, and might leave pending issues to deal with..
I have no idea, if anything about this issue with Tommy and PCSO is right or wrong, good or bad.. But, I don’t think its going anywhere, after all.. Tommys word is not that valuable..
You know when people lie alot, they tend to be deemed as Liars.. and you have trouble determining what is a lie and what isn’t..
We know that PCSO had two star witness’s to prove a case of Homicide of Haleigh gone missing.. Well, Misty recants her statement, and says.. I talked to the inmates and they helped me figure it out. LMAO..
And Tommys tale of Two Cities was based on Misty’s story and Letter with Inmate help.. So, suddenly PCSO, no longer has the story from september about the 10:00pm Knocking on ron’s door…. and now they don’t have Tommys story that he based on Misty and the Inmates Story.. So, PCSO should be a little wired about this.. Why you ask???
Well, it seems they have promoted a homicide case, with no evidence, no body, no crime scene, no witness’s and NO SUSPECTS.. Nothing to base this Homicide case on.. And its hard to come back out to the world, Media and Public, and the State of Florida and say,”Well guys, we made a mistake and there is nothing to base this homicide investigation on, and we have to go back to looking for a living child, our case has fallen apart…”
That right there is where they are, and falling apart as we speak, and tommys attorney is bringing that out to air, its not going to be a pretty when it all blows up….
I know i meant nothing??
CathyJo @ 8:22 – The person you responded to did not write a smart-A comment – not in tone or content that I could see. In fact she said she “thought and prayed” it. It was just something that you did not agree with.
I am not trying to single you out, CathyJo. It’s happened at other times with other people. Just trying to show that sometimes we go too fast I think.
I don’t pop popcorn while others suffer!
WhyLie: I totally agree. I was just making a point, that’s all. I know too well about the reality behind bars. Just saying………
I hope that those involved are dealt with. They overstepped the guidelines in place and I hope they pay for it. The PCSD that is.
Have a great day!
CathyJo, I am going to try and say this in the nicest way I can, and I am not trying to hurt your feelings but, Please let this go and stop with the terrible comments and name calling.
Jan has warned us that she will close all comments on the Haleigh articles if this keeps up and even if you don’t care about that it is totally unfair to all the other bloggers here just because you refuse to do as Jan has asked you to do.
Its not happened with me m2,this place has been cozy for months until crybabies don’t know how to stop badgering,I still tried,so you think before you accuse me of tearing the place up,I can show every post that i sat and took it for months!
to be nice,but if someone still dont stop,yea I’ll get really nasty back!
but i promise you,I’ll never run to the owners!
stilllucy, I agree. Have a great as well.
enough said.i stop for good!
Lady,stay out of it,I said i quit,so now lkets get back to the basics!
Agreed mlee .
I still think we’ve only seen one side of the motion and who knws what happened until we get to the hearing.
M2c. Imo 2.
CJ – “Everybody here knows me” is not true and not an excuse. Words sting. If no offense was meant that’s nice. But how is a new person supposed to know that? Not every new nic is someone we know using another name and we can’t count on that. Words sting.
And yes, I am inserting myself in this to speak up for someone who very likely will never post here again – along with others who’ve had similar experiences.
I think if anyone wants to complain about how they are treated they should be extra conscious of how they treat others and not refuse to take responsibility for it. That really goes for all of us. That’s all I’m saying.
I read this blog a lot and rarely ever comment, I keep my opinions to myself mainly and am shocked to read the way adults reply to one another. Cathy Jo can’t keep hear fingers still for a second, I’ve seen diarreah of the mouth, well CJ your fingers need some charmin! Jaba isn’t the problem here, at least from the perspective of the reader. Cj you talk about mundane drivel that doesn’t even pertain to Haileigh and throw insults at anyone who doesn’t agree with you! You said you joke and people don’t get it, well you seem to do a lot of misunderstanding yourself. And then you team up with the one person in here who is as mean spirited as you seem. I will not post again and I am not Jaba. Have fun attacking others opinions today Cathy Jo, you seem to get off on it. Jaba, don’t respond to that nonsense.
I really wish they never put computers with internet connections in Retirement Homes.
M2,GET FF MY BACK,WHY DONT YOU GO TO THE LAST ARTICLE AND SEE WHAT WENT ON,i THINK YOU’LL FIND A DIFFERENT WAY OF THINKING,IF NOT YOU’RE BIASED,so keep your mouth off me!
and lets enjoy the blog,you did notcreate me,don’t tell me how to act when I know i am the one who was wronged,you were not there,when she insinuated time and time again i was nobody because i was an addict,i owed my family an apolgy…..pfffffft
yea root,jaba,toby,who now?
well,i;ll tell ya,I am gonna leave for awhile,not for either of you,but i will return later when people who really do care don’t have to listen and be judged by you 2!
CathyJo, PLEASE STOP BEFORE YOU GET THE BOARDS CLOSED FOR ALL OF US. Or is that your plan – if you can’t blog then you are going to make sure no one can?
just like last night,toby came in,with the same crap,guess what,look for tobyimo,its always when that nic and jaba are here when she just can’t take it anymore,she hided! so have it,I’ll bbs!
blame jabba! good day!
No CathyJo, this is all on you, there is no one else to blame for the horrible comments you have been posting. As many of us here have been asking – PLEASE STOP.
Bye bye!! Now watch, she will post again cause just can’t stop herself!!
Can someone watch the jail logs to see if T has been transferred out of PCSO yet? I’m anxious to see if that’s going to happen -especially before the long weekend.
If he’s not transferred I hope we hear he’s in a protective type cell or something.
(And I don’t even like the little weasel)
Have it all checked.
I have never used another nic here and don’t really feel the need. Who would I be hiding from on the internet? I say what I say and move on.
Seems like ones that filled the head with all the conspiracy theories should be looked at for their motive.
A self-banning could be in order. Maybe just put the keyboard in the closet and only use the mouse. Just an idea.
m2c, well as of right now he is still in PSCO but it doesn’t show if he is in Protective Custody or not.
Good morning all, I am a newbie. I have been lurking for quite awhile now. I keep up with the case thru you all.
Give my a** a break. They should throw Tommy, Misty and Ronald down the deepest sewer they can find. All three are parasites! With their incarcerations there are now 3 less drug dealer/thieves off the streets. They should never see the light of day or breathe the air of freedom again. Their psychopathology will never change and there is no established or proven form of treatment for their inhumanity. There are people who cannot change or be helped if we channeled Freud, Einstein, Fermi, Jung and God himself. Its time we stop using what few precious resources we have on people like this. I only wish they could be incarcerated in Angola in Louisiana where prisoners are made to be productive with very few priviliges. A few decades in the fields or on a chain gang would be good for all three.
Thank you for the info LadySadie!
Wondering
High Springs, FL said:
I totally agree that his lawyer better get him out. Before another so called (suicide) happens @ the jail house again. John Merchant is a very bad boy!!!People have been complaining about the conditions @ the jail for years. The sh*t is about to hit the roof down here!!
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/satsuma-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/post80914
And welcome, lukeismyfave and iheartcanada!
Good Morning Everyone!
Shockwave@7:44am- ita, and also if they do this to Tommy surely they will do it to anyone they don’t like.
Just because a person was arrested doesn’t mean they are guilty and that includes if they are found guilty by a jury! There are innocent people in jail/prison and we can only hope they are never treated in this manner. That’s why we have to treat everyone equally because even the most repugnant person who is truly guilty, can get off on charges and sue the City, County or State and be rewarded a major settlement out of taxpayer money!
Locking up Ron, Misty, Hope, and Tommy did not even put a dent in drug use/sales in Putnam county. They were nothing but mediocre middle men buying drugs for somebody else in the hopes of getting a pill or two or a few bucks in exchange. They are hardly the big dogs of drug dealing that is going on in Putnam county, in Florida, and in the U.S.
Well, back to Tommy and PCSO.. we have to remember Tommy has other cases pending court action.. He has the September issue with the Gun, which he apparently lied to LE to get out on bond, he has the drug possession from being wasted and sleep in the van.. and to boot, that Burglary charge they found out about with the loot and dish washing detergent found at the trailer. So, Tommy has to go to court on the others as well as being sentenced on the Dealing. I don’t think Timmy’s going anywhere.
He’s back home.. Now, Ron still has the assault and the burglary charge on him, which of course Tommy is going to have to testify against Ron. I think we are looking at a whirl of a time when all of these hit court.
The primary thing that will come out, is that Tommy had acquired a safe zone while in St. John’s.. he felt protected and comfortable.. Now, he’s back with the boys in Putnam out of his safe zone.. and he has two major lies to contend with.. With PCSO. And I have a feeling that the Detectives in Putnam are a little bit upset about the lies..
9:13 am and we’re already not playing nice in the sandbox!
CJ: I enjoy everything you have to say or add here on this site. You are one of the main reasons that I continue to come back.
Thank You
Alex: ITA, Thank You.
Have a good one………
mlee, Tommy pled out on the gun theft charge and got time served. The courts put his possession charge in with his trafficking charge and he has already pled out on that and waiting for sentencing. All he has left is that burglary/grand theft charge, as far as I can tell.
WhyLie, your absolutely right, and these 4 have taken up the news of drug busting in Putnam.. If people really took the time to go back for the last year and a half and read how many drug bust there have been, big and little.. people would be shocked.. The 4 news worthy are tiny fragments of what has been taken off the streets. Several days after the 4 were taken down, other warrants were served, one grabbed a guy with weapons, drugs and prescription pads.. Yet, people don’t remember his arrest. And I think he will be connected to the other 4 through Tommy.. thats my opinion only…
Believe it or not, PCSO has been busting their butts on drug bust and there are more to come. Putnam isn’t an example of major drug issues, it just seems to lead the path in the public eye.
I wonder if the d/a will prosecute the fight between ron and tom.
WhyLie, good to hear some of it was dealt with,
I haven’t kept up with them.. What about the assault and Burglary charge against ron? Has anyone heard anything??
I wondered if they could actually prove that it was tommy on the burglary charges.. I always felt like the dish washing detergent was a female thingy…
Yea, Ron does still have that fighting case still pending, we seem to forget he is still facing that charge with all the drug charges he is facing.
This continuance that ron’s attorney had ask for.
I thought ron had a time barrier to make his plea, and now they want more time?? If the State has not agreed to his plea by now, I don’t really foresee them having a change of mind..
Which means, Ron is still scheduled for trial on what the 16th isn’t he??
Usually if either side asks for a continuance it is granted. Shoemaker may not have had enough time to do depos etc. If the defense is not ready for trial it would be foolish for the courts to force them to trial, maybe opening up doors for appeals.
It will be interesting to see what side of the fight story M chooses. (That’s the one where T and his parents drove over to R and M’s MH and a fight ensued, right?)
Okay so the continuance is for the trial.. makes sense..
I was under the impression that shoemaker didn’t want to represent ron in a trial? I guess he’s changed his mind? What I had heard, was the family had to come up with money for shoemaker to do this? So.. is it reasonable to assume that they have done so??
morning ladies
mlee, No clue about that. It was said in court docs both sides were ready for trial BUT there was supplemental discovery and witness list added so maybe Shoemaker needs more time now to depose those witnesses since the State and the defense have not made a deal.
Unless the State objects to the continuance I see no reason for the courts not to grant it.
Hank and lisa will be called as well if ron goes to trial.
Maybe the d/a will see it as ‘mutual combat’ and not press it?
m2c, that is going to be interesting.. since she claimed in the police report that she was struck during the fight accidentally, then she changed the story to tommy coming over and intentionally hitting her to obtain the restraining order.. and the last bit.. it is very possible she obtained the hits and injuries before tommy and family arrived… like being thrown through a bedroom door.
jaba, In all honesty.. I hope the d/a doesn’t.. I hope it hits open court, and in doing so, some truths might start flowing out.. truths that need to come out.. I think that would be worth the d/a holding on and going through with the trial..
mlee if Misty had injuries prior to the fight I am sure that at least one of the 3 Croslins would have mentioned that to LE and in their sworn complaints.
mlee, the Alachua County Civil Court records show that T. Neves, auto accident was closed in Jan. It doesn’t show if she received a settlement or not. The driver was fighting the case and after some depositions were taken the case was “closed”. Maybe she did receive a settlement and decided to use the money for Ron’s defense instead of for herself.
WhyLie, I knew there was a discovery and a new witness, also knew that GGSykes had written a letter.
But for the life of me, I cannot understand how they could find evidence or a witness or witness’s to testify that ron was innocent and he wasn’t the person seen on those videos with the undercover cop??
What are they going to testify to?? that it was mistaken identity?? that he was innocent and the set him up??
I know shoemaker was upset over the videos of the case being released.. but this two deals with the sunshine laws.. so, he two has to take the good with the bad..
Mlee, I want to see trials on all these folks now that I “know them”, so to speak.
I remember hank not really being fully cooperative with police on that fight issue when le arrived.
Also sounds like ron ‘lawyered up’ during le’s investigation of the incident. Not using an actual lawyer at the time but he did say something to the effect that he wanted to remain silent. Which is his right.
Then I think he changed his mind when complaints we sworn against him, iirc.
This would be a juicy trial as to what was going on between misty and ron that day.
anybody here?
WhyLie, remember the issue over the calls that misty was suppose to have made, the family claimed and then were denied by ron and family..
There really were calls made for help.. And those are in the complaint.. more was going on than we really knew.. A great deal I don’t completely understand the relevance, but they were. And I’m sure that alot of the truths might come out in open court.. And we need to know complete truths..
I have an open question:
Since the Families all went to PCSO for the combined family discussion with the Sheriff… Has anyone heard anything about Junior?? Anything at all??
stilllucy said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 9:16 am 9:13 am and we’re already not playing nice in the sandbox!
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I say what i need to I guess,lol
Sorry, O/T for a minute. Just a friendly reminder for those who are interested. The “emergency hearing” in Caylee Anthony’s case is this afternoon at 1:30 eastern time.
It will be carried live on the web at wftv.com
Often wesh.com and/or orlandosentinel.com also carry it live.
“ORLANDO, Fla. — Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday afternoon for an emergency hearing, WFTV learned Thursday. The defense wants its experts to see evidence at the sheriff’s office without the supervision of the state. “ (wftv.com) Monster will be there.
I haven’t,not a word Mlee!
Thats what I suspected Mlee!
something weird went on!
The only way rons gets out of the dc’s, imo, is if he can prove entrapment. I doubt he will nor misty will be able to show that, imo anyway.
Well if Misty was calling TC continuously for help what phone was she calling? TC didn’t have a phone, Hank and Lisa didn’t have a phone. Well maybe they had phones but they had no service. So how was Misty calling them?
how did you learn about it mlee,I mean for certain right?
jaba I think the only one that may have an entrapment defense is MIsty since she is the only one (as far as we know) that the UC had contacted. If the UC did not contact any of the others then I can’t see how they would have been entrapped.
WhyLie,
I have no idea.. but, it was leaked out that the calls were made.. of course lots of things get leaked out that don’t make any sense, and you never know with any of this.. whats true and whats not true, and what was just plain made up….
mlee@ 10:07 am You said, “I’m sure that alot of the truths might come out in open court..”
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I so wish that would happen but I have no confidence that it will. I really can’t imagine that being in court, even swearing on a Bible, will make a bit of difference to these liars. And if it did, however would we know without proof?
At this point I don’t know how we can accept anything they say without real proof.
Misty never seemed to have a problem leaving when ever she so choose to do so. IMO, TC, Hank, and Lisa went to Ron and Misty’s to get pills from Misty and drag Misty off with them. If Misty wanted to leave she would have got in the van with them and left, or snuck off to the Kangaroo and met them there.
right,I thought you meant you knew it,lol
enough bad info now not just from the ones in jail,but the entire le in pc sounds like!jmo
m2c, agreed! I don’t think this group would tell the truth just because they swore on a bible, LOL.
WhyLie, your absolutely right.. with Misty being the only contact.. the others can’t claim to be entrapped..
But, we also know now that ron and misty were a couple for at least two weeks prior to the bust.. actually she was staying with ron. So, I would wonder if that would play into the factors. But, why would misty entrap her brother, hope whom misty was so close to, and ron? If misty testified that ron gave her the phone number of the UC, then I would think it would appear that ron was involved in entrapment of Misty.. This of course would make ron an informant.. And he shouldn’t be facing trial if he were an informant.. Right??
Whylie…agreed. She has a chance in a scenario like that. I guess it will depend on how the jury is instructed on it and how well misty attorney does with hard proof and recordings.
Do you think misty will take the stand?
Mc2, I like your 5 second rule. It would also help if people just totally ignore attack posts. I know how hard this is, but an unanswered attack post sure falls flat when everybody ignores it.
Wow, mlee, I had never heard that Ron was the one that gave Misty the phone number of the UC.
WhyLie @9;14am- Didn’t Donna bring drugs in from another state? You would think there were plenty in Putnam County!
CathyJo- I enjoy your posts & sense of humor, some people are easily offended or don’t get the joke/meaning because they joined the conversation at the tail end and didn’t go back to the beginning!
to everyone else:
I jumped on John W Sharp, Sorry John, because I was taking care of my mom, John wouldn’t know that, but the impression I got from his post was that he thought I was ignoring him. I misunderstood his original post & should have asked for clarification! At any rate I love this blog and while I don’t agree with every opinion here, there are times that I do agree with statements made by those I disagree with. Mostly I agree with CathyJo and I have witnessed her being jumped on from all over. I always think wow that was my thought and then I see the flow of negativity towards her and think what a strong person she is! CathyJo shares more information then most bloggers and helps bloggers find info whether or not she agrees with their opinion! And I know from her posts that her # 1 reason for being here is to bring Haleigh home!!!!!!!!!
WhyLie, the issue of Misty’s freedom.. thats what I always thought too.. That the minute ron was arrested, she could leave if she wanted to..
But, other tid bits of info have come out, and it has to make you wonder.. I heard that she was pretty well contained by the family, all members.. That until Donna Brock arrived with TM in August, that misty didn’t really have any freedom away from ron or the grandmothers.
So.. it leaves the questions open.. was she afraid to leave?? was she that devoted?? was she abused in the household by ron??
It never made any sense to me, that only on one occasion, that this family would drudge out in the wee hours of that morning to come and rescue misty.. Never it done it before.. and it came with a charge of anger on both families.. They arrive, ron walks out the door and the fight is on?? It just doesn’t make sense.. and Tommy could have gotten all the drugs they needed, or hank Sr.. he knew how to doctor shop.. Been doing it for years.. His start on pills far exceeded his accident in time.
I do believe that all of them need to go to court and explain to the judge.. exactly why it occurred.. then if misty were being abused and seeking help.. then that should come out too.. If she wasn’t, that needs to be clarified. Either way as long as its the truth.
Alex, Yes Donna did bring drugs into the state of Florida to sell for her benefit. IMO Donna is the only drug trafficker out of the entire bunch. While I do understand the legalities of the charge of trafficking, in my mind trafficking is/should be based on the type of thing that Donna did, bringing drugs into Florida for the sole purpose of selling them.
What the rest of the group did, IMO, should have been sales charges not trafficking charges.
Alex, I agree with some of what you say, but everyone needs to follow the guidelines and requests that have been set out by Jan and Simon. This is their blog not one posters. It would be totally unfair to all the other bloggers here if just because one poster can not do as Jan has specifically asked her to do, that Jan and Simon closed all comments. And no matter if someone disagrees with someone else’s “theory” it is totally unacceptable to make PERSONAL attacks and to call other posters nasty names.
LadySadie,
I didn’t say he did.. I said that IF HE HAD, that would put Misty and Entrapment in the same phrase, and it would make him out to be an informant. that is speculation in the discussion of entrapment.
How was t neves supporting herself? Was she getting a disability check and just hanging out at home?
Oh, thanks mlee, I misunderstood and thought maybe you had read somewhere that Ron had given Misty the UC’s phone number.
jaba not sure how T. Neves has been supporting herself. Maybe unemployment since she lost her job with Alachua PD??
Mlee, I think you are right in that Tommy is out of his safe zone in PC and this is the main factor in all his complaints. He is now scared and he’s lost his confidence, so he’s creating issues in any way he can think of.
The thing that struck me, after reading all the comments, is how many people immediately believed Tommy’s accusations against LE and have come to his defense! Tommy has demonstrated that he is a liar again and again. Why would anyone ever believe him? A defense attorney’s job is to paint his client in a perfect light and everyone else in as negative light as possible. If a defense attorney could get away with convincing the jury or the public that little green men came down from the sky and did the crime instead of his client, he would do so. So I would take anything that Tommy and his attorney say with a big grain of salt.
That being said, I agree that PCSO must be very angry at Tommy and it is possible that they could have stretched their boundries, because they are human. But they also know the law and know how any indescresions on their part could backfire on them. If they recklessly left Tommy in a situation where he could be seriously injured or killed, how the heck would this help the Haleigh case that they have worked so hard on?
The truth is probably that they are making Tommy as uncomfortable as they are legally allowed, and may be pushing the limits, but stopping just short of abuse. Tommy and his attorney are probably expoiting every opportunity they can to cry foul.
jaba,
I’m not sure how tn was supporting herself, only speculation that she was receiving monies from the job for awhile under disability. Don’t really know about any settlements from the accident.. Do believe she is currently under social security disability receiving monthly checks.. those might well be a permanent fixture.
LadySadie,
Information pertaining to the possibility that ron set misty up was put out, but it is hard to say if that was reality, or if it was just to cover ron’s participation in the dealing.. I anticipate, that when there is an actual trial, that those speculations will be resolved.. And two, the fact that he was prepared to accept 15 years on a plea bargain rather dis-spell those tid bits.
Aligoo…ita. Nice post…tommy will get a hearing on it and we’ll hear both sides.
WhyLie @ 10:37- ita- also to me manufacturing as in Imm’s case is far worse then selling pills! They put the innocents in their home (I beleive there was a child with them) at risk of harm from the chemicals, a possible explosion and or the possibility of someone coming in to rob them, not to mention what might happen if there was a drug bust.
If TC had access to pills any time he wanted them then why didn’t he have any the day Haleigh disappeared?
I think they needed pills and went to Misty’s go get them that night. Misty said she called TC and asked him why he kept calling her house all day. TC wanted to come over, Misty said no, but TC and parents came over anyway. Fight ensued.
I do not believe that Misty was “forced” to stay anywhere she did not want to stay. Her own father said he could not control her, that she did what she wanted, that she even left the state to go be with some guy up north. But we are to believe that Ron controlled her only after a few months? He didn’t control her enough to keep her home the days before Haleigh disappeared.
I don’t buy that for a second. Misty left when she wanted, stayed when she wanted, and pretty much did what she wanted for at least a few years before she even met Ron and his family.
Social security disablity at her age probaby costs her a lot of money vs having a paying job in LE. Of course I don’t know what those figures are but I bet a job would pay her more and any settlement money she gets she should have kept and not wasted on ron, if she did, imo anyway. rons guilty of trafficking in my eyes based on the video tapes and a bond or a different attorney won’t do him any good with the evidence as I see it.
Since the plea put forth by ron was a ‘cut the 25 year charges and we’ll take the 15’s’ tells me ron is guilty.
”Tommy is being charged with one count of possession, a third degree felony, and one count of trafficking in hydrocodone which is a first degree felony.”
So – he should get at least 15 years?! Correct. He he still going in front of a judge on July 6th of sentencing?
Just an FYI, in case Jan decides to close the comments to all just because a couple of posters can not refrain from name calling, Jan has posted her email address several times jannyo @ gmail.com, so that posters that abide by her request of no personal attacks or name calling can email her and request that she keep the comments open to the people that have honored her request.
Aligoo, absolutely.. I don’t think that PCSO would put their necks on the line to that extent, and I do think there are pertinent issues at hand, that will cover their need to interview him.. And if he refused to leave his cell and co-operate, that speaks for itself also. He is out of his comfort zone, and much like misty walking out on interviews early on, because the detective was rude to her.. follows the same lines. If I don’t want to talk to you, I don’t have too.. that in itself is very childish and not going to be tolerated. Tommy is their guest at the Grey hotel.. And since he made statements that he based on misty’s world of inmate fantasy. They do have a right to come back and say, hey you.. we want a bit of truth out of you.. you lied to us… And to boot, this is not going to go unnoticed by the Judge, that Tommy is going to be standing in front of.. who will be issuing a sentence for him.. which in short, one case should not reflect on another.. Tommys track record of court cases, over the years.. involved in violent actions, thief of weapons, and his stories as per Haleigh, drug activity, dealing.. all must be considered by this Judge on the issues of sentencing him on the drug charges. Tommy could well be considered a lifetime criminal, one they just don’t want to ever hit the streets again, and no sympathy given, which could mean the rest of his life in the state Grey hotel.. This is what bit Hope in the Butt. Her attitude, her conversations with her mother, her past charges, the Judge decided.. this one needs to be put away for a long time, she will not be rehabilitated. No Sympathy..
Alex, I agree. We should all be concerned about people manufacturing meth. It is extremely dangerous.
WhyLie @ 10:58- Correct me if I’m wrong but I understood Misty was thrown out by Ron just before Haleigh disappeared and then Ron asked her to come back. Also fear comes in many varieties, fear of violence, fear of losing someone you love, fear of having no where to go….
Alex, I agree also and think the sentencing for manufacturing should be much higher than even for trafficking. Have a Dr’s appointment a little later this afternoon, but I will check the FL statues to see what the sentencing guidelines are for manufacturing. If I don’t find them before I have to leave I will continue looking for them this evening. Will let you know what I find.
mlee, that “I don’t want to talk to you so I won’t” may be childish in your eyes but it is our Constitutional Right and under the Constitution it MUST be tolerate no matter who it ticks off.
And, LOL, if the sentencing guidelines for manufacturing are not higher than for trafficking, my Dr. also happens to be my representative in the Florida House of Representatives, so I will have to mention this to him while at my appointment. He usually gets a chuckle when I talk politics with him at my medical appointments, keep telling him just killing two birds with one stone, LOL.
Didn’t the judge play Hopes tapes in court? Either way, he knew of them.
But, I think hope plead to a min/man charge so the judge gave her the minimum which was 15 years, right?
Her mouth wrote a check her butt couldn’t cash. 🙂
She does have an appeal filed. That will be another juicy hearing. She signs off on the plea, pleas, then doesn’t like the sentence and appeals it. That’s going to be a tough on to turn over, but hell, let hope have her day by law and move on.
wonder how caseys goes today?
Alex,have you read some of those letter? cindy and casey?
Thanks! LadySadie.
WhyLie,
I don’t quite get it.. I don’t remember ever making reference, to what you just said about constitutional rights. or appearance of being child like?? where did this come from.. I went back to check it out.. You have this ole bird confused..
jaba, I think that tape also made it clear that Hope had no clue to what she was pleading out to or what the possible sentence would be. Hope should have been sentenced as a youthful offender and I believe the judge errored in his reason for not sentencing her as a youthful offender. Hopefully she will get a new sentencing based on that possible error and be sentenced as a youthful offender.
Obnoxious or not, whether we like her or not, no 19 year old should go to jail for 15 years for the small part that Hope played in the “drug dealing” that she participated in.
CathyJo- yes, and it seems like Cindy is trying to tell Casey what to say. I gave LE Zanny’s Hair Straightener! Why say that in a letter? Casey was home when, during or after Cindy did or said some of these things. I still think Cindy is feeling overwhelming guilt like TN, that she did not babysit without complaining!
You got that right!
Hope,imo seems to have some kind of disability maybe?
yea Alex,i saw that and how about that cindy knows she was framed? omg Poor Caylee!!!!!! not one of them were ever in her corner,
oh and how about the zits on her back,when they photo’d her tattoo,sheeeeeeeeeesh
I would love to know how cindy lives with herself?
How is that possible?
she ought too,Cindy was a nurse,she knows decomp,and she said it in the 911,just pitiful!
WhyLie@ 11:24 am – I agree. And to use her phone call home to her mother as a factor in her sentencing was awful. Of course the girl was angry and upset and venting AND she was talking with her mother AND didn’t they pay attention to the part where it was apparent that the dummy didn’t even understand what her lawyer had done? Hope’s lawyer should find another line of work IMO or if she’s going to continue as a lawyer she should openly work for the prosecution.
I disagree whylie, respectfully, on her possible YO status. I think her past prevented that. I sure could be wrong. She will have her day though.
Oh gotta ask ya,have you heard shannon price’s 911 call??
if you haven’t,you need to,I think thats the weirdest 911 call I have ever heard in my life!
WhyLie- The tape was played for the judge and I think it was a major factor in his decision to treat her as an adult and give her what she asked for?
Here in California, I don’t know how often it is used, by a judge can sentence a person to a long prison term, but can recall that sentence in a period of less then 90 days in some cases because it was deemed they are not prison material. In essence the 30, 60, 90 days they have spent in prison was enough to show the court that the inmate was not only remorseful but that the point has gotten through to them to walk the straight and narrow. The sentence is then set aside but can be reinstated should the person commit another crime!
omg,I gotta go get Dakota,lol sorry Alex,i was reading caseys crap and lost track of time,I’ll bbs….gotta go get my little man!
CathyJo- I think the zits are from the food she’s eating though Cindy seems to think it’s from a bacterial infection! She also wants Casey to interact with others but I’m sure Baez doesn’t want that as he already witnessed how Casey has sabotaged her case by her jail visit videos and communications with other inmates!
Here is the basic requirements for youthful offenders.
Pursuant to section 958.04, F.S., the court may sentence as a YO any person:
(a) Who is at least 18 years of age or who has been transferred for prosecution to the criminal division of the circuit court pursuant to chapter 985;
(b) Who is found guilty of or who has tendered, and the court has accepted, a plea of nolo contendere or guilty to a crime that is, under the laws of this state, a felony if the offender is younger than 21 years of age at the time sentence is imposed; and
(c) Who has not previously been classified as a youthful offender under the provisions of chapter 985; however, a person who has been found guilty of a capital or life felony may not be sentenced as a YO under the Youthful Offender Act.
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In Paey v. State, 943 So.2d 919 (Florida 2d DCA 2006), the Court held that mandatory minimum sentence of twenty-five years’ imprisonment imposed on defendant for each of his seven convictions for trafficking in oxycodone did not violate the cruel and unusual punishment clause of the Eighth Amendment or he Constitution of the State of Florida.
Alex,
Cindy is trying her damnest to derail things, isn’t she? And why? Imo, casey hates her.
Poor little caylee paid for that fact, imo.
Alex, the only chance that Hope had for not doing the mandatory minimum of 15 years is to be sentenced as a youthful offender. I have a feeling that the attorney told Hope, even if she did not understand what she meant, and Hope’s mom that in all likely hood she would be sentenced as a youthful offender. I think 6 years as a youthful offender would have been a much more appropriate sentence then a mandatory 15 years.
CathyJo- I haven’t heard Shannon Price call! When you get back please direct me to it!
Jaba- the only thing I can think of is Cindy feels so guilty over Caylee’s death and the only way to keep her sanity is to beleive Casey was not involved! Though deep in her heart I think she knows the truth!
WhyLie you said that Ron could not control Misty in the days leading up to Haleighs disappearance referring to her leaving. Ronald threw Misty out and then he called her up wanting her to come back and bring a condom. Misty is a young girl in love with an older man. Look at the Obermill case and there was only a 3 year differential in their age. Ron is totally different than her father. We heard Hank Sr. talking to Misty in the jail tapes how they were not allowed to see her or really talk to her. They did not even know how she was doing. This leads me to believe that what Melee is saying is true along with CS and Amber stating that Ron kept them away from their families. I do think it is very possible for a girl in love ( or at least thinking she is) to do whatever that man wants her to do.jmo
WhyLie,
took me a few moments, but it came back, you are referring to Tommy’s Miranda rights..
Okay, now were cooking.. Tommy has pled out, he is now a convicted felon, he convicted himself, Tommys constitutional rights are already effected. He should have already lost his right to vote in this country.
1. He is under the guidelines of the Putnam County Jail.
2. I don’t think he can refuse to leave his cell, or refuse to be interviewed, he can refuse to speak, but he cannot refuse to listen.
Miranda:
You have the right to remain silent. If you give up that right, Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.
3. If Tommy is not ask any questions.. His Miranda rights are not violated.
4. If the entire interview contained nothing but comments made to Tommy, and no direct questions of Tommy.. His Miranda Rights are not violated.
5. Tommy’s current attorney has no legal binding on restrictions regarding the Haleigh Case. Because he has made a public statement that he would not represent Tommy in this Case.
6. If No questions were ask of Tommy pertaining to the case he has just pled out to, and he convicted himself, his attorney has no jurisdiction, he is only representing his client on the drug possession and trafficking.
7. Every time a person is questioned or interviewed by LE on a specific case, does not necessarily require being given their Miranda Rights. Once Given.. thus effective.
8. Anyone who refuses to an interview with any LE can be held for up to 72 hours, without being placed under arrest. And during that 72 hours, as long as you have received your Miranda rights, and you do not need an attorney if all is done during that interview are statements made to you.. and no questions ask!!
I honestly believe the judge in Hope Sykes case gave Hope just what she asked for. Hope said They think she had a bad attitude then; just wait until she came out she would be worse they may as well put her in prison. Hopes bad attitude caused her outrageous sentencing.
Yep, lfj, I think Hope’s mouth was writing checks she couldn’t cash.
lfj @12:04 ita
Thanks Melee for that info. It really helped me out, because I have no knowledge of the lagalities in these situations.
I do feel Ron Had a problem with Tommy due to the jail tapes when Tommy was talking about the story that Ron alledgedly stated when he could get Haleigh back for 35,000 and said he hope Rons hears him talking about this on the tapes made public. Tommy even made a statement that if R&M led LE to Haleigh they both would be F**ked! jmo
LOL!! LadieSadie.
looking for Justice said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm
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I have yet to hear Misty or Ron say that Ron threw Misty out or requested Misty come home and bring a condom. What you are stating is something that Nay Nay told AH.
There is a yet unconfirmed rumor out there, that I am sure will be confirmed when Sunshine kicks in, that it was Misty that left when she became angry over Ron and Crystal communicating about getting back together.
Both are just rumors at this point and not a proven fact, although I believe the second scenario is much more likely.
looking for Justice,
I think when all of the truth finally comes out, all will find that ron had far more control over all three girls, crystal, amber and misty than anyone realizes..
Control can be in so many varying manners, through anger, rage, violence.. Look at how many abused women in this country, remain with their husband and boyfriends, thinking its gonna get better.. they stay, the endure, and most of them believe its their own fault that hubby or boy friend is having to control them. If they were more submissive and did what they were told, he would have to be aggressive or cruel, or mean to them. And that is done through manipulation. And one thing I am convinced of, ron is a manipulator.
mlee- you are wrong about the right to vote in this country! In California if you are in jail convicted of a felony you still have a right to vote and they will even supply you with voting materials. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals heard a case from the State of Washington in which they decided that minories were being disenfranchised because so many were in State Prisons and therefore should be allowed to vote. This to me would mean that if it is okay for the State of Washington to allow all prisoners to vote then the other states under the rule of the 9th Circuit would have to grant that right to their prisoners!
Any time LE questions somebody that person has the right to an attorney to be present. If the person requests his attorney and is denied that access it is a violation of his Constitutional right.
Werter can represent TC on anything that they agree to without notifying the public. Tommy is still his client on the drug trafficking charges. Tommy has not been sentenced as of yet.
LE can not just go in and snatch up prisoners, deny them their Constitutional right to have an attorney present, simply because they are prisoners. They were not questioning TC regarding his drug charges they were questioning him on an unrelated case.
He still has rights, prisoner or not, at least in Florida he does, not sure about the state/country you live in.
Melee I totally agree with you.
And with an underage teen. He’s lucky he escaped a statutory rape charge.
mlee @12:23- ita
WhyLie @12:26- ita- Also wish we knew what state or country a poster was from just to understand where they are coming from!
looking for Justice said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm I honestly believe the judge in Hope Sykes case gave Hope just what she asked for. Hope said They think she had a bad attitude then; just wait until she came out she would be worse they may as well put her in prison. Hopes bad attitude caused her outrageous sentencing.
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wrongg! she was getting 15 no matter what she said or did..it was to send a message, everyone heard it but no one replyed..they were bogus trumpted up charges and hope’s lawyer led her to slaughter! pityful excuse for a lawyer the shyster!
Misty even said in her jail house tapes that she should have listened to CS and Amber about Ronald. Nay Nay did repeat what Misty allegedly said happened. I do believe there is some truth to that.JMO
OJ agree to disagree. jmo
WhyLie,
Going back through the week prior to Haleigh gone missing.. More questions come up than there are answers for.
We know that Hank Sr. claimed on video of his conversation with ron on wed night.. early Thursday morning February 4 -5th, around 1:30am, that ron called him on the phone, and ask: Is Misty at your house. and Hank responded NO.. Ron stated, I’ll go look for her. Whereas Hank Sr. said, are you gonna leave the kids home alone?? Ron stated, they’ll be okay, they’re sleeping.
Now, this opens up the door for many questions.
and the first is to answer right off the bat, do we believe or want to believe what Hank said? Answer, why would he lie about that??
Second, this fight on Thursday during the day, brings in far more questions, since Haleigh was Absent from school that Thursday, which puts her and Junior right smack in the middle of a fight, which has been told occurred, and told by family members, he did throw her out of the house, and then on his way to work, he did drop her clothes off at Tommys. And that TN did babysit the kids that night.
Now that weekend, from Friday after Haleigh got out of school, and she was marked at school, until Monday.. No one knows anything other than ron had the kids!! Now, my question, if Ron had the kids from Friday after school through Monday.. How did ron go to work on Friday night.. NO, the kids were not with tn, nor with GGSykes.. I had ask the question directly, was crystal with ron and the kids that weekend, and was told NO!! but she was sure burning up the phone!! Well what did ron and the kids do that weekend?? Did they stay at the house, go shopping (no detergent) go visiting, well whom did they see?
Who saw them together??
See, this open door leaves far more questions than given answers.
As a Grandmother, I have set and ask myself questions. If one of my Grands disappeared, Lord Forbid..
How would I react?? What would be so valuable for me to remember??
I do believe that every second of time that I spent with that child would be become burned into my brain.. I would have wanted to know everything she did or said for that entire weekend prior.. Those would become part of me, and my life without her.
when I go to florida I’ll have to tour where hope worked..strictly for investigative purposes
lfj, According to Crystal she did not know Misty and had only seen her in the car once when they were doing a visitation exchange of the children, so just when did CS warn Misty about Ron? Which one is lying?
comment deleted because it was only adding to the arguments…sorry
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
OJ- I think these lawyers are all pro bono, not public defenders, and imo opinion they are killing two birds with one stone. First they are showing the compassionate people how they are working selflessly with no renumeration for their poor client. Then to the other side, I gave them representation so they could not complain that they only had a PD and challenge the sentence after it’s given.All they are out for is Publicity for themselves, their representation of these clients is shameful and the publicity they receive is probably worth more then any payment he/she would have received from the court! jmo
WhyLie, See thats the point.. the key word to Miranda is Questions.. If you are not ask any questions during an interview, you are not expected to respond.. If you do respond thats on you…. see the difference..
They told him he would not need an attorney, because.. they did not QUESTION him.. They talked to him.. they made comments to him.. they told him things..
Questions would cause the need for an attorney, so that you do not implicate yourself in a crime.. If NO QUESTIONS were ever ask.. no need for Miranda rights or violation of constitutional rights.
PCSO Detectives can set in an interview and repeat the entire constitution to a person, and never ask them one question. And never violated their rights.
OJ- I’ll skip that part of the investigation! lol
looking for Justice said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Misty even said in her jail house tapes that she should have listened to CS and Amber about Ronald. Nay Nay did repeat what Misty allegedly said happened. I do believe there is some truth to that.JMO
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Crystal didn’t know Misty
mlee- I think being INTERROGATED means asking questions! jmo
Have to go guys & dolls! be back after 2pm California time!
CathyJo – Don’t forget to steer me to the Price call!
WhyLie it was said after that that Misty was e-mailing Crystal. This was after the August fight. That is where the E-mail came from during the emergency hearing for Jr. after the arrest. It was from Misty to Crystal and she was stating in the e-mail that Ron was shooting up GGSykes morphine btween his toes.JMO
All I know is those words came out of Mistys mouth” That she should of listened to CS and Amber about Ronald. jmo
5. Tommy’s current attorney has no legal binding on restrictions regarding the Haleigh Case. Because he has made a public statement that he would not represent Tommy in this Case.
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that what Art said he said,not even said it was a text msg. He is apparently his attorney for Haleigh’s case too.On the call with granny Flo Tommy wanted them to get ahold of his attorney, Werter because he had something to say which led to the dock search. So yea, Werter is his attorney for Haleigh too.
alex: it was my understanding hope’s lawyer was assigned to her… civilian lawyers work for the PD’s office when there is a conflict of interest or their overloaded.
I fired my PD, they are in bed with the prosecution. If you have money you can buy justice if you don’t you’re dead meat.
The issue here is human reaction. One can understand why the officers are frustrated however there is a reason phycological make up test are carried out in order to qualify to become an officer. The officers responsibilty is to Haleigh Cummings. Their obligation to her and the course of Justice. They are to find the truth and have Justice served for Haleigh. The officers are not to look for antics that satisfy their frustrations. They are educated and experienced enough to know that could place the legal case for Haleigh in a lot of trouble and in the end this is about Haleigh not the officers. With that said the behaviour is selfish and irresponsible if true. Asking questions is like a safety net it allows room to find some other answer in response to the question. Just find the answer and slap them with it and walk out and let them stew, find out what happens then. JMHO
On a closing note Regarding Mr. Merchant if the accusations against him are true he may want think out side of his own self and think in terms of dominos. How many children hear about him and how does it impact their ability to trust his entire department. Does that lack of confidence and breached trust keep silence in regards to other crimes and where do those crimes lead to and who does that impact? What if one of these dope dealers becomes smart enough to record him then what? He is owned for life by that source him and his family. He may want to consider the possibility it really is not worth it and it is beyond selfish. That is if it is true
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Amen OJ!
DustyRose said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm The issue here is human reaction. One can understand why the officers are frustrated however there is a reason phycological make up test are carried out in order to qualify to become an officer. The officers responsibilty is to Haleigh Cummings. Their obligation to her and the course of Justice. They are to find the truth and have Justice served for Haleigh. The officers are not to look for antics that satisfy their frustrations. They are educated and experienced enough to know that could place the legal case for Haleigh in a lot of trouble and in the end this is about Haleigh not the officers. With that said the behaviour is selfish and irresponsible if true. Asking questions is like a safety net it allows room to find some other answer in response to the question. Just find the answer and slap them with it and walk out and let them stew, find out what happens then. JMHO
On a closing note Regarding Mr. Merchant if the accusations against him are true he may want think out side of his own self and think in terms of dominos. How many children hear about him and how does it impact their ability to trust his entire department. Does that lack of confidence and breached trust keep silence in regards to other crimes and where do those crimes lead to and who does that impact? What if one of these dope dealers becomes smart enough to record him then what? He is owned for life by that source him and his family. He may want to consider the possibility it really is not worth it and it is beyond selfish. That is if it is true
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
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Great post Dusty! Direct and to the point!
Mlee–According to the newspaper accounts (IIRC) that LE never denied “questioning” Tommy. If they just wanted to talk to him all they had to do was “talk” to him in his cell–not forcibly remove him from it. He is in jail for drug trafficking–not Haleigh–so LE knew to contact his lawyer or let Tommy do it. I have never heard of LE questioning anyone and not expect a response. Whether Tommy is lying or not, LE should have tapes/videos to refute Tommy’s allegations. I have a problem with LE trampling all over someone’s constitutional right and not expect them to say or do anything about it. If Tommy is guilty of anything involving Haleigh, LE could very well have ruined their chances of prosecuting him with their gross misconduct of the law. This is one law that the justice system takes very seriously. Werter is Tommy’s attorney for the drug trafficking and when LE decided to question Tommy about Haleigh, they knew Werter should have been contacted and the questioning ceased until Werter was notified. They didn’t and it shows a total lack of integrity on their part and in this investigation. JMO
well said, DustyRose
looking for Justice said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 pm
All I know is those words came out of Mistys mouth” That she should of listened to CS and Amber about Ronald. jmo
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And Misty lies..
Casey’s court hearing going on right now
http://www.wftv.com/video/24121940/index.html
robin said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm Mlee–According to the newspaper accounts (IIRC) that LE never denied “questioning” Tommy. If they just wanted to talk to him all they had to do was “talk” to him in his cell–not forcibly remove him from it. He is in jail for drug trafficking–not Haleigh–so LE knew to contact his lawyer or let Tommy do it. I have never heard of LE questioning anyone and not expect a response. Whether Tommy is lying or not, LE should have tapes/videos to refute Tommy’s allegations. I have a problem with LE trampling all over someone’s constitutional right and not expect them to say or do anything about it. If Tommy is guilty of anything involving Haleigh, LE could very well have ruined their chances of prosecuting him with their gross misconduct of the law. This is one law that the justice system takes very seriously. Werter is Tommy’s attorney for the drug trafficking and when LE decided to question Tommy about Haleigh, they knew Werter should have been contacted and the questioning ceased until Werter was notified. They didn’t and it shows a total lack of integrity on their part and in this investigation. JMO
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Robin,no wonder I like you so much,you put my own thoughts into words that actually make sense,lol
I agree right down to every word!!!
They have imo probably caused Haleigh to never get Justice,Jeapordized ini in so many ways!!!!!!!
It’s just off the charts!
Sometimes it makes me wonder if this wasn’t somehow done purposely,I just don’t trust them at all anymore,I did have a little faith in them but this has gotten to the point that theres no other way to look at it! They are professionals and their suspects are druggies,I ask you,who is making all the mistakes,wow
It sure doesn’t paint a good picture from where I am sitting!
want to know how the police really are when they think no one is watching?
watch the rodney king tapes..that is how they are. Tommy is lucky hes hi-profile cause he’d a been beat down good imvho
looking for Justice said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 1:02 pm All I know is those words came out of Mistys mouth” That she should of listened to CS and Amber about Ronald. jmo
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They sure did!
She even said she hoped Crystal would straighten up,or whatever phrase she used,IDR!LOL
OJ,i am about to praise you more,Because think about it,If they did this to Tommy,Imagine what they may have have done to Misty,Hope and even Donna?? jmvho
Everybody in Haleighs family lies,all sides,jmho
nevermind, it’s mostly over.
looking for Justice said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 12:58 pm WhyLie it was said after that that Misty was e-mailing Crystal. This was after the August fight. That is where the E-mail came from during the emergency hearing for Jr. after the arrest. It was from Misty to Crystal and she was stating in the e-mail that Ron was shooting up GGSykes morphine btween his toes.JMO
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Thats the 1st I have heard that!
Alexandria Loring said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm Have to go guys & dolls! be back after 2pm California time!
CathyJo – Don’t forget to steer me to the Price call!
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Done! lol
mlee said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm looking for Justice,
I think when all of the truth finally comes out, all will find that ron had far more control over all three girls, crystal, amber and misty than anyone realizes..
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That could never surprise me! jmo
Alexandria Loring said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 11:25 am
CathyJo- yes, and it seems like Cindy is trying to tell Casey what to say. I gave LE Zanny’s Hair Straightener! Why say that in a letter? Casey was home when, during or after Cindy did or said some of these things. I still think Cindy is feeling overwhelming guilt like TN, that she did not babysit without complaining
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We don’t know for a fact TN refused to baby sit that night, that was what Misty supposedly said to Chelsea. Funny that tidbit didn’t come out till after she was put in jail.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 11:40 am CathyJo- I think the zits are from the food she’s eating though Cindy seems to think it’s from a bacterial infection! She also wants Casey to interact with others but I’m sure Baez doesn’t want that as he already witnessed how Casey has sabotaged her case by her jail visit videos and communications with other inmates!
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ROFLMSAO! Yea did you see where she told her to get plenty of calcium and “sunshine” omg
I just thought I would check in and WOW WTF is going on now? I think Tommy is peed off at being in PCSD and at Lindsy, He sounds like he is not co operating anymore. I will wait to see what others have to say before believing Tommy, I remember Cobra saying that jail was a hell hole in the summer so why does he feel he deserves better treatment then anyone else thats locked up? jmo
Hey Tobias,having fun??
LadySadie said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 9:56 am
mlee, the Alachua County Civil Court records show that T. Neves, auto accident was closed in Jan. It doesn’t show if she received a settlement or not. The driver was fighting the case and after some depositions were taken the case was “closed”. Maybe she did receive a settlement and decided to use the money for Ron’s defense instead of for herself.
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Shoemaker is working pro bono and always has been.
Tobias,Poor ole casey don’t even get sunshine,sheeeeeeeesh
Sister is out with my Mom, just catching up and all I can say is Tommy better get with the program, it sounds like he was refusing to leave his cell and had to be physically removed.jmo
No Sunshine!
That oughta be against the law,lol jmo
Cindy oughta be smacked for that,Thats what Caylee sang all the time! The sunshine song! heartBreaking!
IMO Tobias,he may be a liar and I am sure he is but look at the rest of the crap thats gone on,If Tommy were my son I’d be up in arms too,ya know?
Cops are human too? jmo
Can’t be trusted!I mean if they did do that to Tommy,IF’ then its untelling what they’ve done to others,not only in this case? jmo
I know prisons are full of “innocent people” lol but I’s say some really are but had no choice with bully le! jmo
OK I can see nothing I can say in here is going to stop all this bickering. I can see also that the word IGNORE means NOTHING to some in here. I have warned everyone before this and I am seriously tired of warning, so I am forced to shut this thread down with the comments. I apologize to those that are in here only to discuss what happened to little Haleigh Cummings. No one can blame me for not trying to be fair in here and I honestly have tried to but unfortunately I have been pushed into a position that is not fair to me now. To blame one side would be unfair because from my point of view I see blame on both sides and unless I ban the main three involved I don’t see any other solution but to just shut the thread down with the comments.
I know I don’t have to call out who the three are but I would like you three to know you are to blame for this. None of you would let the original argument go, which by the way was ridiculous to begin with. I have told you all dozens of time that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but you insist on having it your way and now thanks to that everyone else is going to have to suffer from it.
The other threads will still be open but I am warning you right now, if you go to another thread and carry this feud with you then you will be banned no matter how many others will disagree with me. So think of this as a new beginning if you still want to participate in the discussions. Mo more fighting will be allowed. I want BNN to be a comfortable place for everyone to discuss things but some seem to be determined to keep that from happening.
EVERYONE is welcome to post comments here, they are welcome to voice their opinions even if no one else agrees. PLEASE remember this when you want to disagree, which can be done in a civil way though.
Once again I apologize to the innocent ones for having to do this.
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor