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she’s not divorcing you?
I question this beingthe truth because if it were PCSD would not have released this info. So Tommy implicating Joe is probably another story being told by Tommy now to save his marriage. Well that didnt work out like he thought either. jmo
thanks Simon Where the one with Misty?
thanks Simon Where the one with Misty?
Tobias, do you think the story of Ron coming home and then calling Tommy to help Misty is the accurrate story?
Tommy is a scumbag, I loathe his pathetic existence. I hope he gets ten years for the drug charges alone.
LFJ-
I do think thats the story, and he shut that down right away
I wonder what money he was refering to, for Linsey to get?
Tobias–I think what you said is true. Why release this tape if it has relevant information about the ongoing investigation? I think the release of this particular tape at this particular time is suspicious to say the least. Maybe they will not release Misty’s taped phone call to G. Hollars because it contains the pertinent information, but if that call is released too then I will be suspicious of LE’s tactics. JMO
CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:21 am
she’s not divorcing you?
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Good morning friend, yes Lindsy has filed for divorce. This is an old tape. This is when Gramma Hollars first heard this story, before she was ever on TV. THis is before Lindsy went to Mass, and before Tommy took LDT, telling this story and then he failed it.
Lindsy, got enough and was done with the marriage when she found out Tommy lied again and failed the LDT. If I understand it right this is correct.
Treece, Tommy took his poly on 4/8/2010. this is two days before the Shell Harbour search.
Chakara, I agree Tommy shut that down right away, but it could be that story implicated him as an accomplis to the crime against Haleigh.JMO
Chakara,I am wondering about the money too. Did you hear who it was suppose to be from?
Exactly LFJ- he needed a story that dosen’t involve him
I dont know what to think but PCSD would not release this if it were true. They would consider this evidence. jmo
I didn’t hear but I’m thinking Leonard Padilla?
I’m gonna listen again
I thought the money was from his parents?? Guess I will listen again..
Has anyone heard the status of Joe Overstreet? Has he been questioned again recently, or extradited back to Florida to undergo an intense interrogation? I do not think this version of their “truth” is what happened but I guess it’s their story and they are sticking to it! I think they fail to realize that they are going to need relevant information to prove this latest claim (ie. the latest search). When they incarcerate Joe is when I will believe the latest search yielded some real evidence, until then LE has to build a case on the words of Tommy and Misty..and that says a lot about this investigation..that justice will never be within reach! I pray that some real evidence will be found soon so Haleigh and her family will get the peace they so richly deserve!
This is probably what he said on the poly and it is a lie because he failed. When he had his come to jesus moment was after the poly I thought so thats when he led them to the boat ramp. And he is involved in this but how much?
Misty knows the whole truth and maybe Tommy only knows part of it. jmo
I also thought the money offered to Lindsy was from Lisa and Hank
The real kicker is when he says he is worried for his family. Joe is in Tenn. not down the street and Misty sure isnt scared of him if she went to Tenn. in Oct. for 10 days. Tommy made this up to try and save his marriage. Lindsy was already threatening to divorce him and he is desperate. jmo
If any of the Croslins were afraid of what JO was capable of doing NONE of them would have thrown JO under the bus from day one.
I like how Tommy uses the word “story”. Is he telling a story or telling the truth? My guess would be a fictional story.
Tobias I think you could be correct that Misty knows the whole truth and Tommy only part of it. The thing is how did the van get there from Crescent City? Who drove it there. I do not think it was Joe. I could be wrong though.JMO
Good morning/afternoon all…I too think that tommy is tryng to save hs friggin marriage. What a loser! I can’t help think that lynsey knows something as well and is covering her butt. She knows the game is about over, and she is afrad she will go down too and lose her freedom and her chldren. I guess some people just don’t get it. There is a baby missing/dead, and all they care about is their own butts. Poor Haleigh…lttle sweetheart will never know how wonderful life can be…never get to go to the prom, have a boyfriend, get marred, have babes, and live and love. My heart is so sad and broken. Bless her soul.Here come the tears, so I’ll say bye for now. hugs to all who love our little angel, and that includes the famly of this precious child.
At 6:28, isn’t that Lisa in the background saying Lindsey said Chelsea’s been going around “running her mouth”?
treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 11:49 am CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:21 am
she’s not divorcing you?
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Good morning friend, yes Lindsy has filed for divorce. This is an old tape. This is when Gramma Hollars first heard this story, before she was ever on TV. THis is before Lindsy went to Mass, and before Tommy took LDT, telling this story and then he failed it.
Lindsy, got enough and was done with the marriage when she found out Tommy lied again and failed the LDT. If I understand it right this is correct.
Yes,I figured it out afterwards,lol
Whylie you are 100% correct. None of them were afraid of Joe.
Gr888 point WhyLie!
The story of Haleigh taking a pill is B*; Tommy said that so himself!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop beating a dead horse already!!!
Why does everyone continue to think JOE IS NOT GUILTY OF ANYTHING?
He’s a schizophrenic for CSakes. And I’m saying that seriously. He has a severe mental disease, coupled with the fact that he is an addict, and doesn’t take any medication for his condition.
Thank you very much Simon for what you do on the haleigh case.
phrydoom said,in May 13th, 2010 at 11:43 am Tommy is a scumbag, I loathe his pathetic existence. I hope he gets ten years for the drug charges alone.
Wow Phydroom,don’t be vicious……..gezzz
rofl…..10 yrs,lol I hope he gets mandatory atleast!
teasin ya,lol but i do!
tobias said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
The real kicker is when he says he is worried for his family. Joe is in Tenn. not down the street and Misty sure isnt scared of him if she went to Tenn. in Oct. for 10 days. Tommy made this up to try and save his marriage. Lindsy was already threatening to divorce him and he is desperate. jmo
WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
If any of the Croslins were afraid of what JO was capable of doing NONE of them would have thrown JO under the bus from day one.
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Exactly, to both of ya’lls posts
They are releasing the tapes NOW, because the deal is done….Ron in court today saying he will testify against everyone is just the start. Mark my words, Joe will be arrested by tomorrow. It has to be concrete, and Ron’s deposition will probably be the gun that get’s fired up Joe’s a** today.
Get ready Joey, they’re comin’ to get ya’!!!!
YeeeeeeHaaaaaaa!!!!We is goin’ to Rocky Mountain Tennessee!! Enjoy ur last visit to DOLLYWOOD, PUNK, cuz ur goin to the big house.
Better put some lotion on them’ ankles boy, cuz those shackles is MIGHTY TIGHT!!!!!!!!
LFJ-
I think Timmy and/or Chelsea drove the van there is a record of a call from Misty to Timmy that night I believe they both Know the whole story and are involved jmo
Ok, tears are gone. now I’m mad. Someone on here had a theory that haleigh got into a pill at home BEFORE ron went to work. Is this why all the calls to msty? to check on haleghs status? ron may have called tommy to help dispose of her. gosh this is crazy…none of these freaks are smart enough to pull this off…WTH????
vaquera said,in May 13th, 2010 at 12:21 pm tobias said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
The real kicker is when he says he is worried for his family. Joe is in Tenn. not down the street and Misty sure isnt scared of him if she went to Tenn. in Oct. for 10 days. Tommy made this up to try and save his marriage. Lindsy was already threatening to divorce him and he is desperate. jmo
WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
If any of the Croslins were afraid of what JO was capable of doing NONE of them would have thrown JO under the bus from day one.
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Exactly, to both of ya’lls posts
I’ll 3rd that motion!
/me marks RonFans words,lol
Ronfan…if this is the case, he better put some lotion in a few other places too!lol
He’d better not use soap either me!lol
cathyjoe…LOL
I do see Tommy and Misty being agraid of the Cummings though. Not Joe.jmo
WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
If any of the Croslins were afraid of what JO was capable of doing NONE of them would have thrown JO under the bus from day one.
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Good point!!!!
methinks nice to see you. I guess they are criminally smart; something we are not. We have a conscience and the understanding of right and wrong. In comparison we are like day and night.
TOBIAS,WHYLIE, AND VAQUERA: What do you all not get here????
NO ONE IMPLICATED Joe in the beginning except PCSO..
Ron even lied about the fight over the gun, remember?
I’m sure Misty went to Tn to try and talk to family and Joe.
Tommy is not trying to finger Joe, it is so painfully obvious from his crying and tone that he is upset; Everyone has suspected him all along of some involvement, but I don’t think any of us has ever thought he had anything to do DIRECTLY with killing or harming HALEIGH.
JOE JOE JOE JOE.
Who doesn’t get the goings on of the drug world? If ur considered an snitch, anyone can get u; I’m sure Joe has PLENTY OF FRIENDS IN LOW PLACES….
WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVEN’T SAID ANYTHING UNTIL NOW. WHICH IS WHY PCSO USED THE DRUG STING TO GET THEM TO TALK. How in the heck could it have been true that they “cleared” him instantly, and ruled him out as a suspect?
why: To make him think he was OFF THE HOOK.
JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE
TOLDUSOTOLDUSOTOLDUSOTOLDUSO
HOPERONGETSAGUNANDGOESBLOW
STRAIGHTBETWEENTHEEYESOFJOE.
Tobias can you imagine sitting in that court room as a defendant being Tommy and Misty? Ron up on the stand swearing to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you GOD!! AS IF HE COULD!! They look around to see Annette Sykes and Teresa Neves sitting near by. I am not sure if it will bother Tommy as much as it will Misty. That is going to be one cold day!!
Ronfan- You said Joe is a schizophrenic. I am curious why you think that.
ronfan It was Chelsea and Lindsy that called LE and told them about the van being taken, scratched, and JO having access to it. That is why LE took the van. Shortly after that is when Misty blurted out to media about JO, shortly after that is when Lisa and Hank told media about JO after telling LE.
So yes the family did throw JO under the bus from the start. Not the actions of a family that feared JO, imo
looking for justice, good to see you too. I can’t get here much, but try to check back periodically. It just gets crazier and crazier.
ronfan, also it was LE that cleared JO after they had gone to question him.
This is heartbreaking so far.
Ronfan it was not PCSO that fingered Joe in the beginning it was the Croslins. Ron even talked about it to Cobra in the recordings done more than likey in late March of 2009 or early April 2009. Joe could of been there who knows, but I do not believe it was Joe who murdered Haleigh. He is just a scapegoat. I could be wrong though. I am not infallible.
Misty implicated Joe in the voice stress test with Tim Miller
I think if their was even a shred of evidence that backs up Misty and Tommy’s story Joe would be in jail already
Im new here, been reading for about three wks, but just a thought maybe Tommy was just agreeing with the grandmother, because he knew that she would blab, and just called her to get his lawyer down there so he could tell him what he knew. IDK what to really think about this case anymore, i used to think Ron was totally innocent, but now i just dont know.
Also the FBI questioned JOE go back and look at past posts its there somewhere, I remember it because it was my main theory at the time.
Then I realised if I could figure out that theory so could LE AND THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER JOE. JMO
Ronfan, they did point their fingers at Joe from the very beginning. Misty has named him I think from day 1. She told LE, she told it on camera, she told it during her LDT, she told Tim Miller.
Sorry Ronfan, though I usually agree with your posts the Croslins did point the finger at Joe from the beginning. The van was moved so they said Joe had to have done it..well no, Tommy had keys to his own vehicle and he could have drove his pickup over there and parked down the road and got his van. A plainjane minivan is less noticeable than a red pickup..
I do find the timing of this released tape odd. Did they release it because nothing came of the search at the dock and LE doesnt think Joe is involved but just Tommy??
tobias said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Also the FBI questioned JOE go back and look at past posts its there somewhere, I remember it because it was my main theory at the time.
Then I realised if I could figure out that theory so could LE AND THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER JOE. JMO
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yes, they did and gave him a LDT also and basically said he was cleared.This was in Feb. of last year, I believe.
Ron is about to make a plea and testify against the others BUT what if this takes yet another twist and the others actually roll on Ron!!
Okay, are any of you confused as I am as to what Tommy’s actual story of what happened is? If you read the partial transcript on http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=155977&catid=3 GHollars puts words in his mouth and offers a story, Tommy says bullsh*t regarding Haleigh accidentally taking Ron’s pills, so what gives? These people talk round and round and lie so much. Furthermore, I found it disgusting how they’re laughing and joking in a conversation where they’re talking about a potentially dead baby. Ugh!
I read the article on sky 97.3 about the court hearing in it they specifically say Ron is to testify about the drug case NOT HaLeigh, I think that might be a message to the others
VAQ, You are correct and at the time it blew my whole theory of him being involved. So i just left the theory go with Tommy and Misty being there. But that doent explain Rons odd behaviors. jmo
hi all,
when it was said that ron would testify against the others…he wouldn’t be testifying on anything today that would/might implicate joe. anything said about the others today, would be with regards to the drug bust only.
if he were actually going to testify against the others in the haleigh case, that would be later on, whenever it came to trial.
so, neither joe, nor anyone else will be arrested today for something to do with the haleigh case, as a direct result of whatever ron says.
jmo
SO TRUE!! Niterbug, it will be interesting too see.
I think if this case was as easy as, “Joe did it” that Tommy and Misty would have told within 24 hours of being arrested. They have lied and hid this for 15 months just to protect Joe makes no sense. Then they tried to blame him and still failed LDT. My opinion is TC and MC are both just using Joe to blame to take the attention off their own guilt. IMO if Haleigh is dead TC is my #1 suspect. I don’t think he would lie at this high cost to protect anyone but his own selfish self.
Yeah you just never know… stay tuned for the next episode!!
Robin: Believe it, PCSO released it after they interviewed him the first time after Haleigh disappeared. He apparently has a history of mental illness, including schizophrenia.
Treece at 12:49-
Absolutly, Completely AGREE
treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 12:49 pm I think if this case was as easy as, “Joe did it” that Tommy and Misty would have told within 24 hours of being arrested. They have lied and hid this for 15 months just to protect Joe makes no sense. Then they tried to blame him and still failed LDT. My opinion is TC and MC are both just using Joe to blame to take the attention off their own guilt. IMO if Haleigh is dead TC is my #1 suspect. I don’t think he would lie at this high cost to protect anyone but his own selfish self.
Agreed!!
Well, I gotta’ exit my sons puter for today as he wll be home from work soon…nap time for the little one, and maybe gramma too. bye for now all.
TC talks of being scared for his family one minute and the next he is saying “he can’t do nothing to us now” WELL TC’s kids aren’t locked up and protected….So just how scared is he for his kids and family??
So what could Ron have to testify against the others? They were on tape. What could he add to that? That it was all Mistys idea? lol He went along with it to get close to her(like marrying her wasnt close enough).jmo
CHAKRA7: Yes!!! I had that same info!! I had only 1 link, and the official statement PCSO made was saved on my favorite, and of course I can’t find it now. I was looking for it the other day for someone here.
Where did u get ur info from?
Def Timmy and Chelsea drove that van.
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE TRYING TO TELL STORIES. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE TRYING TO LIE.
Any male, while setting in jail would argue with his wife about NOT spending money to feed his children, or NOT buy them a bed to sleep in is NOT a MAN and NOT a dad. IMO Tommy is a sperm donor, nothing manly nor fatherly about that.
Ronfan-
are you asking about an official statement about the phone call –
because that was in an Art Harris article
Treece, After reading your post I thought yeah when his boy is visiting with Lindsy he doesnt really want to talk with his dad much without prompting. Its like he is there but doesnt really care one way or the other. Most kids would be nagging to talk. Mine always wanted to talk on the phone when someone they knew was on the other end. jmo
Ronfan–How would Joe even be considered eligible to take a LDT then? I would think someone that has a mental illness and schizophrenia would not even be considered to take a LDT. And LE did clear him rather quickly in the early investigation, so it leads me to wonder why LE did this when he has a mental illness and all fingers where pointed in his direction early on. It boggles the mind actually. JMO
I don’t remember LE ever saying JO has a mental illness, in fact I remember LE refusing to even say he was a sexual offender.
Ronfan-
if thats what your looking for CathyJo pulled it out and posted in the last thread?
Whylie, He isnt that was mistaken identity that someone was rumouring. Joshua Overstreet is the SO not Joseph Overstreet. Joe as we found out recently was in juvie until he turned 18 for car theft. he was 19 when he was in Satsuma.jmo
I also read Treece,yesterday and posted it where Tommy’s son was scared of him,Ausin i believe?
ronfan said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Robin: Believe it, PCSO released it after they interviewed him the first time after Haleigh disappeared. He apparently has a history of mental illness, including schizophrenia.
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PCSO never said that and you are the only person I’ve ever heard say that. 😉
I think that the statment analysis guy should get a copy of this phone call, and analyse it! It would be helpful.JMO
CathyJo63 said,in May 12th, 2010 at 5:37 pm Tommy stated his left eye was swollen where Hank hit him,” according to the report,” but …refused to write a written statement. Tommy kept a hostile posture throughout the investigation…was extremely uncooperative…and, continued to try instigating verbal altercations with his father, Hank, and his mother, Lisa Carmen Croslin.”
Onlookers included not only Haleigh Cummings’ ex stepmom, Misty, 17, who reported Haleigh missing Feb. 10, and remains key to the investigation for what police believe she hasn’t revealed, but her party pal, Kristina Prevatt, 18. That’s right, Nay Nay, small town party girl now seeking shelter with a friend after her own purported domestic love spat.
It was Nay Nay who drove Ronald’s ex on what all described as a three day binge of sex, drugs and drinking with White Boy Greg Page, the weekend before Haleigh vanished.
>>>>>>>>>>There was also Tommy’s son, Austin, who misses playmate Haleigh terribly, his family tells me; the report said he’d just missed the school bus he used to take with Haleigh, but “did not want to go with his father because he was scaring him.”
>>>>>>>>”I don’t think anyone really got hurt,” Chelsea Croslin told me in a telephone interview. “It’s just, when Tommy gets riled up, he likes to yell a lot, and I guess he wouldn’t calm down, so someone called the police.”
Missing in action was Tommy’s wife, Lindsay, the rock of the family who is juggling nursing school with motherhood while living at ground zero amid a town aptly nicknamed Dysfunction Junction. She’d spent the night in the hospital, and was apparently waiting for someone to pick her up when the fight broke out, said Chelsea. “Someone told me they were fighting over who should go pick her up,” she said.
Why Ron is taking a plea deal:
All these people aren’t even HIS FAMILY, If he can actually hopefully get out of jail one day, then he will grab that chance.
His children come first, blood is thicker than water.
I am quite sure that once ur looking prison time in the face, loyalty flies out the window.
Flora told the truth, Peter! Your SA about Flora: wrong!
Flora relayed what she was told and her own theories. I dont believe she really knows the truth so her SA would reveal that. jmo
I don’t believe Tommy would just implicate JO like that. You could hear his voice shaking. Pent up feelings about the whole thing probably. He kept saying he didn’t have “nothing to do with none of it”, but this could just be how he see’s it. I think Tommy was brought in to help dispose of the body. Jo’s the murderer. Misty may have been there, but she didn’t help Haleigh out. Blanket was washed because it held Haleigh’s lifeless body in it, and Misty was trying to get rid of any evidence on it…mud, hair, the smell or remnants of river water, etc. Even the stupidest of the stupidest know you can’t just falsely accuse someone else who you know had nothing to do with the child’s death. Why would Tommy say no one was at home when he talked to Ron, because the Croslin’s and Overstreet were planning on telling Ron that Haleigh was abducted. I do not have a reason for Haleigh’s death, but I do believe Joe may be the one who did it. If Ron called Tommy at Tommy’s house then you know at that point at least, Tommy was not at Misty’s home until more than likely after he went there to find something happening. Why did Tommy implicate Misty when he said she was not home, because that is partly the truth, and it makes him look like he’s not guilty.
I really like Peter, and think he contributes, and gives alot to think about.
Why would PCSD let this tape be released to the public if there was any truth to it? THEY WOULD NOT DO THAT. tHE WHOLE JOE STORY IS A LIE AND THATS WHY IT WAS RELEASED. JMO
Shockwave said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
I don’t believe Tommy would just implicate JO like that. You could hear his voice shaking. Pent up feelings about the whole thing probably. He kept saying he didn’t have “nothing to do with none of it”, but this could just be how he see’s it. I think Tommy was brought in to help dispose of the body. Jo’s the murderer. Misty may have been there, but she didn’t help Haleigh out. Blanket was washed because it held Haleigh’s lifeless body in it, and Misty was trying to get rid of any evidence on it…mud, hair, the smell or remnants of river water, etc. Even the stupidest of the stupidest know you can’t just falsely accuse someone else who you know had nothing to do with the child’s death. Why would Tommy say no one was at home when he talked to Ron, because the Croslin’s and Overstreet were planning on telling Ron that Haleigh was abducted. I do not have a reason for Haleigh’s death, but I do believe Joe may be the one who did it. If Ron called Tommy at Tommy’s house then you know at that point at least, Tommy was not at Misty’s home until more than likely after he went there to find something happening. Why did Tommy implicate Misty when he said she was not home, because that is partly the truth, and it makes him look like he’s not guilty.
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Did the Croslins have a house phone or just a cell phone? No one has ever said.If just a cell phone then Tommy could have been at Ron’s for all we know.That would have been the time Ron was trying 20 something times to call Misty.
tobias said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Why would PCSD let this tape be released to the public if there was any truth to it? THEY WOULD NOT DO THAT. tHE WHOLE JOE STORY IS A LIE AND THATS WHY IT WAS RELEASED. JMO
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agreed. I am sure agreeing with you a lot lately 😀
tobias said,in May 13th, 2010 at 1:28 pm Flora relayed what she was told and her own theories. I dont believe she really knows the truth so her SA would reveal that. jmo
Me either,she keeps changing it!
Not to mention if Tommy was brought into this after the fact (after Haleigh was gone) then he probably faults Misty and Jo for getting him involved in this whole mess. Think back to when Tommy was talking about how all of this started going bad when Misty was dating Ron, she won’t listen, and she loves him so much. He feels she got him into this mess, but he loves his sister…you can tell that too.
Ron’s 911 call: He did not know where Haleigh was, truly was a father who came home from work and learned his daughter was missing.
Yes – his daughter.
Right BEFORE he got on the phone with 911 and talked about just getting home from work, the operator heard him in the background talking about his daughter being gone, and immediately asked Misty to let her talk to him.
“I just got home from work” WAS NOT his first statement.
Misty had already told the operator that Haleigh was missing – Ron knew the operator had already been informed that Haleigh was missing.
Ron’s high-pitched cry during the 911 call about not knowing what Haleigh was wearing because he wasn’t there, wasn’t fake. It was real – sounds like a primal scream.
VAQ, It just makes sense. This tape is not the real story and LE knows that and has for some time now. Why did they question Joe recently? Maybe so the others would feel their story was being believed. Like Ron maybe they wanted to see his reactions to this new story. jmo
Flora repeated what she was told. She DID NOT change her story. Anyone who says otherwise – explain.
Jason said,in May 13th, 2010 at 1:38 pm Ron’s high-pitched cry during the 911 call about not knowing what Haleigh was wearing because he wasn’t there, wasn’t fake. It was real – sounds like a primal scream.
As odd as it is,i agree….that is the one and only thing that seemed real to me Jaon!
Rons reaction was to get put in GP since he had Joe to blame no one would think he was guilty of anything except drugs. jmo
its also the first and only time I heard Misty say “our Daughter” and she wasn’t even married to Ron then?
She always says….her b/f’s dtr even in the va!
Why wasn’t JO given a poly? He would fail it to. Then boom, you have all three that are involved in Haleigh’s disappearance. What is JO’s alibi? What does JO do to earn a living?
I READ that it was Tommy’s attorney that released the tape at Jacksonville.com
CathyJo @ 1:42: I’m convinced Ron was for real during the 911 call.
Joe was given a poly early on by the FBI, I remember because it blew my theory right out the window. LE WOULD NOT RELEASE TAPES THAT WOULD BE USED IN COURT LATER. jOE IS NOT THE GUY AND THIS PROVES LE DOENT BELIEVE THIS STORY. JMO
I agree Jason, but I also believe Tommy was for real in this latest audio.
Joe hides from the TV camera, but not shy about pointing the barrel of a gun on his myspace pic.
I havent heard the phone call yet, but it doesnt sound like Tommy mentioned anyones name. He could have just went along with Ms. Hollars because he knew it was best to just tell his lawyer. Did he specifically mention Joe? or was it Flora pointing at joe and tommy just saying yea????
Tommy says “he has got to pay” (joe). His wife is in the back ground on the other phone screaming and crying. She says ” is it you?” Tommy says ” no it is not me, you (his wife) already know the story”. She says “is it the same story that misty is saying?” He says “yes.”
Sounds to me like his wife already knows the REAL story and thought that Tommy was going to go ahead and admit his part in this mess. But knowing that the phones are tapped, Tommy covers his butt real good and says that it is the same story that Misty is telling before his wife can say anything more to implicate him (for the whole world to hear). If she already knew the story, then why would she ask if it was him that did it? I guess she thought he was REALLY going to admit his guilt. Surely she would not be crying and screaming over Joe going prison.
Interesting beautifuladams-
curious if its because of the court hearing today??
Tommy failed his LDT right after this call also so the story about Joe is bogus. Tommy was in fear of losing Lindsy thats why he is crying. His whole life is falling apart.She wont even talk with him he has to call G Hollars to relay it to her. jmo
I also have always thought that the 911 call of Ron was for real but IMO it seems he soon learned what really happened and the cover up began…
Chakra…
**snipped from Jacksonville.com
Werter said the recording demonstrates how Croslin Jr. came forward voluntarily to law enforcement despite threats toward him and his family.
The recording, however, could not be examined in full. Werter said the copy was redacted to remove phone numbers and discussions unrelated to Haleigh’s case.
Cat Dixon, Lindsy already knew, but when Flora told, both Chelsea and Lindsy bashed her.
Tommys lawyer cant get the tapes unless LE releases them first. jmo
It says Tommy’s lawyer released it to show that Flora Hollars was not telling the truth, and that Tpmmy did not give her all the info she claimed he did. he also said that they had edited some of it out that was not about the haleigh case, and was personal.
CathyJo, I hadn’t heard that before but you are so right it is sad that Austin was scared of his dad. Tommy should be so ashamed of himself but that should have been a huge eye opener to Lindsy, too.
CathyJo, I hadn’t heard that before but you are so right it is sad that Austin was scared of his dad. Tommy should be so ashamed of himself but that should have been a huge eye opener to Lindsy, too.
Tobias, Why would you think his attorney wouldn’t have the tapes?
LE would not release any tapes that have any evidentary value to the Haleigh cummings case.
How many times have we heard this? All the tapes are redacted and with the release of this tape its clear it is not true. jmo
Thanks Beautiful-
ya the call was defidently cut-
I think flora told the truth but she imbellished her interviews with her own thoughts and oppinions
PCSO went to TN immediately after Haleigh disappeared because Joey boy fled the freakin next day, and was in the vicinity at the time of the crime.
When LE was interrogating Joe, that is the precise time that the Croslins were talking. I’m sure they were counting on the fact that LE would have Joe tied,bound and shackled by that point.
Notice how right after he was cleared, everyone SHUTUP. I really thought that, give me some dates.
Yes, I know LE cleared him, who else would, my mama? Who said that?
Since LE brought up Joe again, (BECAUSE OF THE CONFESSIONS)THEN AND ONLY THEN HAVE OTHER CROSLINS STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIM AGAIN.
(like Ms. Chelsea)
OOOOhHHH Mizz Nancee gonna be plum crazzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeee tonight.
PCSO went to TN immediately after Haleigh disappeared because Joey boy fled the freakin next day, and was in the vicinity at the time of the crime.
When LE was interrogating Joe, that is the precise time that the Croslins were talking. I’m sure they were counting on the fact that LE would have Joe tied,bound and shackled by that point.
Notice how right after he was cleared, everyone SHUTUP. I really thought that, give me some dates.
Yes, I know LE cleared him, who else would, my mama? Who said that?
Since LE brought up Joe again, (BECAUSE OF THE CONFESSIONS)THEN AND ONLY THEN HAVE OTHER CROSLINS STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIM AGAIN.
(like Ms. Chelsea)
OOOOhHHH Mizz Nancee gonna be plum crazzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeee tonight.
LE would not give the tapes unredacted to the lawyers or the public if they held any evidence to the Haleigh case. jmo
Tobias,
What is not true? The tape, the convo, or the fact that it is released?
Werter said Friday that Croslin Jr. “did not tell Flora Hollars anything about the investigation except to have his attorney contact and meet with him.”
In another development in the case, the attorney for Misty’s brother released a copy of Croslin Jr.’s April 11 phone call with his grandmother, Flora Hollars.
Attorney James Werter said it confirms what he had said before that
Croslin Jr. did not discuss Haleigh’s matter with the details that Hollars told media.
Hollars said both Misty and Tommy Croslin called that Sunday saying their cousin Joe Overstreet came to the mobile home on Green Lane where Misty was with the children. The two were looking to steal a machine gun, but it wasn’t there, the grandmother said she was told.
Hollars said they told her Overstreet came back and snatched Haleigh after putting a knife to Misty’s throat, threatening to kill her and her family if they said anything.
In the roughly 9-minute recording released today, Croslin Jr. gave no specific details like that. He starts off telling his grandmother to get his lawyer to him, that he has to do something that should have been done already. He says he’s scared and that “He’s got to pay for it.”
This is from Jacksonville.com
beautiful, can you link that article,I can’t find it, thanks 🙂
Why do you all think the tapes were redacted? I can’t tell.
I’m waiting for someone to comment on the tape at 6:28 with Lisa’s comment about Chelsea “running her mouth”. seems suspicious.
Paraphrased, Chelsea said on NG that Flora had not been a part of her family for 7 years.
Was she even part of Flora’s extended family 7 years ago? She’s 23 or 24 now, so seven years ago she was just 16 or 17.
Vaq… sure
http:// jacksonville.com/ news/crime/ 2010-05-13/story/haleighs- father- negotiating-15-year-sentence -drug-case
I looked everywhere. JO has not even taken a polygraph. He does not have to because there is no evidence linking him to the crime. He can agree to take one at this point, but he’s not going to because he knows he’s guilty.
Karri, ‘details’ didn’t need to be discussed, as Flora, Lindsy and others had already the details.
FLora gave LE the details not mentioned during the call.
Nice try, Werter.
As for the replies about why would they leak “real” evidence??? Everything in the Casey Anthony case has been realeased….everything. And we all know she is guilty!
Another point is if the perception that Joe is innocent is based on the fact that he was questioned and released….then they all are innocent. They all have been questioned and realeased… Maybe they just didn’t have enough evidence at the time to arrest him – or Misty, or Tommy or Anyone else.
I wonder if Tommy has cofessed or Misty? These tapes are not evidence any more since they are being released to the public. jmo
I feel Tommy made this call on purpose. Kind of like he was coached on what to say. He goes along with what Grandma Hollars says, he never really comes out and says it’s Joe though. The only indication I got that he was referring to Joe is when he said that “little M’F'” needs to pay. Or when ever Grandma would say Joe did it. Sounds as if Misty had already told Grandma a Joe version and Tommy went a long with it over the phone knowing it would be recorded and released.
I just don’t get the feeling that he told LE the same version that Misty did. But that is JMO.
I hope that his hearing today is not continued, we should have an idea if he gave LE any helpful information regarding the Haleigh case depending on his sentence. I think the judge was also going to hear the BE case today as well
ronfan said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
PCSO went to TN immediately after Haleigh disappeared because Joey boy fled the freakin next day, and was in the vicinity at the time of the crime.
When LE was interrogating Joe, that is the precise time that the Croslins were talking. I’m sure they were counting on the fact that LE would have Joe tied,bound and shackled by that point.
Notice how right after he was cleared, everyone SHUTUP. I really thought that, give me some dates.
Yes, I know LE cleared him, who else would, my mama? Who said that?
Since LE brought up Joe again, (BECAUSE OF THE CONFESSIONS)THEN AND ONLY THEN HAVE OTHER CROSLINS STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIM AGAIN.
(like Ms. Chelsea)
OOOOhHHH Mizz Nancee gonna be plum crazzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeee tonight.
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before Joe left the night of the 10th he also put up missing posters around town with Misty. She didn’t look afraid of him then.She didn’t look like he had threatened to kill all of them and their kids..
Jason, I am just quoting the article, I just copied and pasted, and I am assuming that this is exactly the words Tommys Lawyer used to tell why he was releasing the tape. I posted the website where the article can be read. 🙂
Karri: Technically, yes. Tommy’s attorney is telling a truth. There is nothing Tommy directly states referring to anything Joe did. He doesn’t even call him by his name. Even him answering yes to GH when she says “It’s Joe, isn’t it” isn’t incriminating.
Smart move Tommy.
Remember, Tommy’s attorney stated on NG that Tommy did indeed call GH that Sunday night after his coming to Jesus moment with himself (Werter) and the P.I.
Reread the 3d paragraph of ur post. Very tricky, Mr. Werter.
Thats because she has been arrested. There are no arrests for this case so all evidence is being held back.jmo
WHO REMEMBERS THAT CREEPY POST THE NIGHT BEFORE EVERYTHING CAME OUT AND THE CASE WAS TURNED INTO A HOMICIDE: the person saying his dad had cracked the case and tomorrow it would come out. (his dad being the P.I.) OMG, how weird. That person is probably reading all this right now.
Suz–Casey Anthony has been charged with the murder of her daughter. These people have not been charged with the HaLeigh abduction.
This call was made before the LDT Tommy wants his lawyer to come and talk with him. He is getting ready to take the poly and then with this info he fails it. Lindsy then comes home and finds out and really does divorce him. jmo
Even way before she was charged there were tons of video/audio tapes of her – the 911 tapes of her Mother…everything. She has not been to trial so it is evidence.
JASON YOUR POST AT 1:50 IS HILARIOUS AND AWESOME.
Now THAT’S a poser!! A real tool. Capt. D*B*, sorry but he’s probably the one with the “thug swagger”
Misty tried to convince Ron, not the 911 operator, that she was sleeping, that they were in bed, that she was cleaning.
Her words were for Ron’s ears. He was furious at her because she had let Haleigh ‘get stole’.
She talked of ‘our daughter’, of her ‘cleaning’, ‘sleeping’, ‘we were in bed’.
Misty’s words to the operator were for Ron to hear.
MOST TELLING is what CathyJo pointed out on a previous post:
Paraphrased: Miaty said the brick was not at the backdoor while she was sleeping.
HOW WOULD MISTY KNOW THAT, WHEN SHE CLAIMS TO NEVER/RARELY USE THE DOOR!
In the audio with TC and G Hollars…”He can’t get to me and he can’t get to them now so they’ll take care of it”… I think TC maybe is saying “He” meaning Ron but then tried to throw GHollars off by agreeing it was Joe he was speaking of and agreeing it was that story when in reality it isn’t that same story that he is going to tell. Ron would be the “He” that “can’t get to me and he can’t get to them now”…Joe is out and free and can very well either get to TC’s kids and Lindsy or have it done…
I find myself agreeing with madjgnlaw on this call between tommy and Ms hollars. He never implicated anyone, just agreed with what she said. why tell her b4 he tells his lawyer, she cant get him a deal, and obv she was going to blab, just like she did.
Children who are abused go unsuspected of abuse because of their shame or thinking they are guilty. Maybe this is the same reaction from Misty. Maybe JO stuck around and passed out fliers out of guilt and to make it look like he was innocent. He didn’t stick around too long. Kinda like going to a family reunion you don’t want to go to, but you go to act like you want to, you eat, and leave shortly after. Did JO have a job to get back to? If he didn’t have a reason to go home (for example: work, school, etc.) any person who is caring would stick around as long as they thought they could be useful. So, does anyone know if JO had anywhere he needed to be?
Tobias, the tapes are evidence, just because they have been released to public doesn’t mean it’s not evidence. Get ur blood sugar back up.
You slackin’.
What date did Tommy take his poly?
What date did he meet Jesus?
Is the date of the tape April 11?
I’m trying to get timeline to coincide with GH allegations.
I wish someone would bust into Joe’s myspace. Any hot blonds out there?
Sucker would prolly fall for it.
Karri said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I find myself agreeing with madjgnlaw on this call between tommy and Ms hollars. He never implicated anyone, just agreed with what she said. why tell her b4 he tells his lawyer, she cant get him a deal, and obv she was going to blab, just like she did.
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Wonder if When TC says “He” in his mind he is thinking Ron but just lets GHollars keep believing it’s the Joe did it story
My point exactly Ronfan! RE: The audio evidence.
I am not going to pretend to know what happened to that precious little girl, but I certainly am not ruling Joe out of my suspicions yet!
But if Tommy thought they would pick JO up after his “confession” then he would think he didn’t have a reason to be scared.
Was Tommy supposed to be up this afternoon? Any news?
Hi – I am just catching up and scanning the posts. Did Tommy have his hearing today? I see that Ron was in court but I don’t see anything about Tommy. Thanks!
Niterbug said,Wonder if When TC says “He” in his mind he is thinking Ron but just lets GHollars keep believing it’s the Joe did it story
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could be, I used to swear Ron was innocent, but now i just dont know anymore. This is all so confusing, I find myself thinking about it right b4 i fall asleep every night.:(
I think it has been a couple of year’s since JO has visited his My space account. He has two of them. Probably can’t remember his password to get back in. I wouldn’t count on that working.
Hate to sound like OJ but here goes. Joe is their scapegoat. We all discussed this all week even before we heard the tape we knew of its exsistence. And since it has been released LE finds it bogus also or would not have released it to us. jmo bbl
Niterbug: Nope. If u follow the flow of the convo, it’s about Joe. She begins with “It’s Joe, isn’t it?” Tommy refers to him as “HE” because that way he can’t be quoted as directly saying JOE.
At Jacksonville.com… there is a photo of Ron and Tommy from court.
Karri: I now what ya mean …me too! And this tape with TC and GHollars has me really wondering! I just can’t help but wonder if he is rolling on Ron and Misty
Niterbug… I agree. There is NO proof that Tommy was talking about Joe.
treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 1:59 pm CathyJo, I hadn’t heard that before but you are so right it is sad that Austin was scared of his dad. Tommy should be so ashamed of himself but that should have been a huge eye opener to Lindsy, too.
I had never seen that Treece till last night,we were here and i was posting older manuscripts,articles,etc….. and that just jumped right off the monitor at me!
Sad!!!!!!!!
VAQUERA PLEEEEEEEEZ!!!!!!!
WOW, POSTERS….So did Monster Mommy. (tot mom)
Wow, what a super guy, such a great cousin and friend.
I guess Misty wasn’t “ascareded”, RONNIE WAS RIGHT BY HER SIDE.
Everyone knew Joe was scared sh**l*ess, and besides that, they were surrounded by tons of PCSO. NO ONE HAD IMPLICATED HIM YET, RIGHT?
EVEN Friends in low places ARE NOT gonna come get ya’ with the Po-Po’z round.
Treece,it also reminded me of the pic Simaon and Jan posted with Tommy’s lil boy in the background,that little sad face to me said,
Hmmmmm wonder if “mom or dad” notices when i stick this fork in the wall outlet” lol not funny at all but you know what i mean?
Cathyjo63
Sounded like Austin didnt want to get in the car with his dad, cause he was scared of the way he was acting at that time. Sounds like he was screaming and fighting with his own father, Hank Sr. If fighting and screaming is going on then of course a child is going to be scared, it was obv loud enough to get the police called. It didnt say he was scared of him all the time tho.
“did not want to go with his father because he was scaring him.”
Sounds like he was scaring him at the time of the altercation, not that the child was always scared of him, just at that time.
JMO- the way i interpreted it, no disrespect.
Ron looks pretty happy for someone who might face several years in jail. Just an observation.
Don’t care what anyone says… why does Ron look smug in the photo? If it’s a smile, what is there to smile about?
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Joe has some POSSE of super duper bad guys runnin’ round, but prolly has some low slug grubs who would do anything just to get something.
Im sure that’s why everyone knew to keep their traps shut, besides the fact that JOE WAS IN ON DRUG DEALS WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
REMEMBER, DON’T TALK OR EVERYONE FALLS DOWN.
And, yes, I do think Ron was definitely one who didn’t want to allude anything to Joe.
ronfan said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Tobias, the tapes are evidence, just because they have been released to public doesn’t mean it’s not evidence. Get ur blood sugar back up.
You slackin’.
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ronfan, I have always respected your loyalty to Ron and defense of his innocence but you are flat being rude today.
I think what tobias was saying is LE will NOT release any important info about the Haleigh case in these tapes being released about the drug bust.
Of course they are ALL evidence but LE is not going to let out any info of importance or that could compromise the Haleigh case.
Did you get that? Is your blood sugar ok?
Niterbug said,in May 13th, 2010 at 2:34 pm Karri said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I find myself agreeing with madjgnlaw on this call between tommy and Ms hollars. He never implicated anyone, just agreed with what she said. why tell her b4 he tells his lawyer, she cant get him a deal, and obv she was going to blab, just like she did.
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Wonder if When TC says “He” in his mind he is thinking Ron but just lets GHollars keep believing it’s the Joe did it story
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I guess the biggest reason i don’t believe Tommy about Jo is if it was true he sure wouldn’t have told it and he knew Flora was the only one who hadn’t been in the mdeia or known to lie at the time,he thought he’d say it so she could blab it as older……well women who are 47 like myself do,lol
Everybody knows theres 3 ways of communication….
Telephone,
Telegraph
And Tell CathyJo!
Exactly Adams! Curious about that too!
Boy its busy in here today. Why all of a sudden? We knew about Tommys story about Joe a long time ago and we knew he failed the poly.
I still feel Joe is their scapegoat and has been from the start. Misty would have never gone to Tenn. if he was a threat. She is in a picture hanging posters with him on the 10th, she sure aint scared of him then, right after it all happened would be the time to be truely terrified of someone she claims did this but in the picture she is fine. jmo
treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
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I 100% totally agree, treece.
Thank you for stepping up to the plate on this “subject” !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Karry,none taken,lol we just disagree is all,lol
Hear****Hear**** Treece!
exactly right Tobias,exactly right!
Children who are abused go unsuspected of abuse because of their shame or thinking they are guilty. Maybe this is the same reaction from Misty. Maybe JO stuck around and passed out fliers out of guilt and to make it look like he was innocent. He didn’t stick around too long. Kinda like going to a family reunion you don’t want to go to, but you go to act like you want to, you eat, and leave shortly after. Did JO have a job to get back to? If he didn’t have a reason to go home (for example: work, school, etc.) any person who is caring would stick around as long as they thought they could be useful. So, does anyone know if JO had anywhere he needed to be?
Still waitng for them to put something up about Tommy in court today. I believe he had to go at 1:30. I see the pic that he was there, but court must not be out yet.????
Hi cent, so good to see you today!!!!!
And the same to you!
I think Joes the scapegoat too!
who knows if they all didn’t plan this and came to florida knowing jo’d be there too as a scapegoat!
Sure he looks suspicious but like i said yesterday,he’d look suspicios eating icecream!
His date of departure was that day way in advance and he had a ride out with a friend, if he didnt leave then he would have to come up with extra money to take a bus or find someone to take him clear to Tenn. Would you stay after being blamed for stealing a gun earlier and you didnt? and now a kid is gone, you know darned well he knew they would eventually blame that on him too. jmo
Shockwave @ 2:35, yes – during the call, Tom wants Flora to not tell others; he wants his attorney [and LE?] to know first.
LOL One skinny dude faces off with the Croslins when they could have taken him down on day one. jmo
Tobias,thats a really good point too about why he left so soon and wasn’t he on probation?
Heck just tell Ron he would have shot him. lol jmo
Where in history has someone in jail blamed someone else for a murder they weren’t even remotely involved in? Even CA made up someone rather than saying, oh, my brother who molested me did it. JO needs to be given a polygraph. Tommy and Misty said he was involved, and he was in town a left. That is enough to give JO a poly.
Shockwave, JO myspace with gun barrel pic was last updated 2008, his page with book turned to a page titled ‘punishment, gun, cross, knife, etc., was last updated 03/08/2009.
Heading on that page: “If you don’t remember it, it don’t count!”.
http://www.myspace.com/380818970
All this really proves is tha GGMa Flo wasn’t lying about getting those calls from jail that Tommy and Misty told her JO did it. What I am really wondering about, is why after the search, Lyndsy filed for divorce. She knew about Tommy’s claims that JO did it. I don’t think she knew the whole story that came out after this call.
MADJGNLAW said,in May 13th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
I feel Tommy made this call on purpose. Kind of like he was coached on what to say. He goes along with what Grandma Hollars says, he never really comes out and says it’s Joe though. The only indication I got that he was referring to Joe is when he said that “little M’F’” needs to pay. Or when ever Grandma would say Joe did it. Sounds as if Misty had already told Grandma a Joe version and Tommy went a long with it over the phone knowing it would be recorded and released.
right Madge!
I think too point Tommy as my 2:59 post states!
Jo not Tommy,lol sorry
I dont think that Tommy’s story to police and his Lawyer was the JO story. I think he just agreed with the g’ma so he didnt have to tell her the truth, she couldnt do anything for him anyway. I think she has put up for the reward money, so surely he would know she would do that…. I did get that from Art Harris, so no telling if it is true or not. I believe that Tommy told what he really knew to LE, and just agreed with G’ma to get her to call lyndsy, and his lawyer. JMO
I know Misty has pointed to Joe from the start,even wondering if Tommy had something to do with it.Ill bet if we could see what she said on interrigations we would se she tried to lead LE to the true culprit,but was only guessing her self.
Le has had their eye on her from the start,because she was the cartaker that night of the children.An that logical.
The realeased Misty for a yr to roam free,because they did not believe she was the actual killer,but knew something.As Joe is still free,untill they get him busted on somthing ,where they can get at him.Or untill all evidence lines up.ILL BET THEY ARE WORKING ON IT NOW.hARDY SAID HIS SELF,WHEN ASKED ABOUT jOE,HE SAID WELL HES LAWYERED UP,that means we can only go so far,untill we have all the proof we need for an arrest.The PI believed Tommy.Enought to state he broke the case,in a interview!!
When pressure came from higher up aimed at the investigaton,an why no arrest,An going from Cobra when released his uc recording to LE about the goings on with the drug people,an what they said at the motel.Le gave it back to Cobra or who ever,(acting like well what ever)But in fact the listened,because they did the same thing Cobra said he wanted to do,is get Misty caught with enough drugs,to set a high bond on her to get anwsers.
While in jail,she wrote the letter,an we see she again implicated Joe,an her own brother,as she had from the start.People,LE just didnt listen.
She also as Tim Miller said showed him 4 spots when they road around,an her spent 12 days with Ron,an Misty.That she believed Tommy,or Joe may have went,when smoking rockor could have placed Haliegh,the river where they just searched being one of the spots.This when his LDT CAME ABOUT.
NOW WE SEE AFTER THE EXPERENCE ldt giver The ex FBI,man good at getting confession,an to the truth.Tommy let it all out.To him,his lawyer,an then days later to PI.Now why would a man go as far as that,when he knows it would be proven,or not proved.Implicating his own self in the crime,as accssery,to the fact.That crime alone has long term yrs tied to it.
If Joe had taken a LDT when LE questioned him in the beginning.His Attorny would be screaming that from the roof top,or on news shows,like NG. ((Like my clients has already been cleard from taking a LDT))
In fact many wernt given LDT,Crystal was never given one,she told that in a video,interview.An she could have been a suspect also.I think the only tested the ones at home like Ron,Misty,In the first few days,Joe,had only been questioned,then halled azzzz when his ride got there..An lawyered up the min he got back to Tenn.
WHY did he lawyer up soon as he got home,was it his moms advice,because she knew her son was rough,an could be in trouble.If he has nothing to hide,step to the front,an clear his name.Take a LDT that LE value the rsults so much..Poor Misty took them over,an over.Trying to clear hers,i think nerves blew her test,in her mind guilt,because she was keeping Haliegh,an she went missing on her watch.An everyone looking at her,all the media bull.Thats her stresser to fail,because most of what she told them,is like us theorys.
Just because Joe is a little fellow, doesnt mean he cant be violent,an dangerious. An even more so if drug induced,specialy on crack,if he was somking that night.Misty said Tommy someked it in the woods sometimes,so he an Joe could have road aroung getting high,ran out,of dope an money.An the the thought of stealing the assualt gun came in to play.An away to Ron house they went.
I was told that in the morning when dogs hit on a sent.That they followed sent to tiny foot print area,back tracked the loop trail in woods,went around a block to CSX rrs track,an lost sent.That were someone could have park waiting on who ever,or took Haliegh an ran jumped into parked van/truck,an took of to where ever.
Tommy did have a teary vioce,an sounded like he was over it,wanted it off his chest.
Skinny, gun obsessed kid. His weapons could be the equalizers, Tobias.
Karon, I think Lindsy’s straw was when she found out Tommy failed the LDT and had hid some knowledge about Haleigh.
BBL hope you are all having a good day.
The sheriff said they had questioned JO three times, and then he lawyered up. So that means, he is probably refusing to talk or to take a poly. They can’t make him talk or take a poly. They can arrest him, if they get enough evidence to try him.
Then again if Tommy did tell police what he knew, why has there still not been any arrest???? I am so confused.
Karon – I think she had been told it was JO, but Tommy had not told her that he was involved. In the tapes before that Tommy is saying he won’t get more than three years, he didn’t do anything, but yet he would not answer any of Lindsy’s questions about Haleigh. A possible scenario.
Because they have not found any hard evidence to link JO to the murder, but I feel they have enough to give him a polygraph test.
Tommy is upset because his wife is threatening to divorce him and there is nothing he can do about it but take the poly and hope he passes it. And well we know why he was upset cause he knew he would fail if he told the Joe story. jmo
Jason said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Skinny, gun obsessed kid. His weapons could be the equalizers, Tobias.
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Or Tranquilizers!
During the 911 call, Misty is selling Ron on her story.
She referred to Haleigh as ‘our daughter’ because Ron was in the room. She was selling her story to Ron at the same time she was talking to the operator.
If Ron had not been in the MH, there would have been no need for her to say ‘our’ daughter.
There is no proof any where that Joe had any weapons on his vacation. He would not be allowed to have a gun because he is on probation. jmo
Please for give my typos
If I was facing a possible sentence for assisting a murderer then I would be more scared of that than whether or not my wife (husband in my case) is threatening to leave me. I mean, I’m in jail and I’m already separated from my family. Misty had already talked. He didn’t have a choice at this point, but to tell the truth. He knew Lindsy heard the truth from Misty first, which makes it all that much more emotional for Tommy.
tobias said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
There is no proof any where that Joe had any weapons on his vacation. He would not be allowed to have a gun because he is on probation. jmo
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Is Joe 21? If not he’s not legal to have any hand guns.
‘Guns not allowed on probation’, might explain why it was ditched?
I would like to know how Joe in Tenn. managed to threaten the whole Croslin family when the phones are tapped, no internet, what did he do send smoke signals?
The only person I see who sent threats was the one who put the headless Rat in the mailbox. jmo
People on probation have been known to break the rules of their probation. If JO was on probation, why the heck was he out of state?
Misty did make the statement that there were 2 and one that they cared about? right? in her call to Chelsea from jail?
Tommy,Timmy,or Jo.hmmmm Chelseas tattoo still bugs me!
You can go on vacation as long as you check in and get permission. you have to have a leaving and return date for the PO. JMO
lol shockwave,that was my point,someone was tho because they had to get back before the parole officer knew? I dunno,maybe i dreamed it,lol but i swear i read it….lol
Shockwave–Go look at the case of Ryan Ferguson in Missouri if you want to see a case that someone implicated a person in a crime. Get on youtube and look up 48 hours mystery and the “Dream Killer” case. This case alone makes me distrust LE, and their tactics.JMO
Jo threatened Misty. Tommy shows up to see what’s going on, and now he’s involved. The rest of the Croslin’s don’t have a clue as to what has transpired so they were not threatened by anyone.
yes Tobias,if u tell them,lol
yes Tobias,if u tell them,lol
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7065.80
the link with pix of him putting up sighns!
If Tom took a stolen gun, why didn’t he lock it up in his backyard shed?
Would he leave it out where his 5 yr. old son, or someone else could retrieve it?
sighns!
Is this probation stuff documented in a news article somewhere? I don’t want to sit here and discuss an issue that is not factual. I’m not saying it isn’t. I just don’t remember hearing that JO was on probation.
signs,lol goshhhhh
If Joe was on probation and his PO didnt know he was there, when LE talked with Joe before he left they would have run him in their computers and notified his PO. iF HE WAS NOT TO BE WHERE HE WAS THEY WOULD HAVE ARRESTED HIM RIGHT THEN. JMO
Ok so is everyone now dismissing the story that Joe, Misty , and Tommy were all there to steal the gun? Cause most r pointing to joe now, and Tommy just walking in on it. i just dont think joe had anything to do with Haleigh. What about the stealing the gun story? has that just gone out the window?
Can someone please tell me did Tommy go to court today?
jo is the scapegoat Karry,jmo
you’d think so Tobias!
bbs
So Very Well Said — It Needed To Be Said Again!
JMO…
1. Ron used drugs around his children
2. He drove recklessly with them in the vehicle
3. He allowed people on drugs to be around his children
4. He was violent and abusive around the kids and allowed them to see and hear things no child should
5. He knew Misty had been on a 3-day drug, alcohol and sex binge, knew she did drugs as he did them with her, knew she was young and immature, sleep deprived and he STILL left his children in her care
6. His behavior after Haleigh’s disappearance is very suspect and peculiar to say the least and are not indicative of a parent who has a missing child but are more of a person hiding a crime for which he is involved
7. His continued drug use and criminal behavior after Haleigh’s disappearance put his remaining child in danger
8. His drug dealing got him arrested and taken away from Jr who has been thrown to a mother he basically barely knew who probably shouldn’t have custody either. The same child who is dealing with the anxiety and stress of his missing sister
So even IF (and that is a BIG IF) he was not directly involved his actions perpetuated Haleigh’s fate. He did not protect her and subjected her to dangerous people. Did she OD on his drug stash? Did someone take her because of his drug debt? Did his girlfriend’s family take and kill Haleigh over a disagreement? Did his girlfriend kill Haleigh? We don’t know but ALL of these people were only in Haleigh’s life because he allowed them to be. He CHOSE these lowlifes to be caregivers for his children. He CHOSE this drug infested, crime riddled lifestyle. He CHOSE to be engaged in shady drug dealings with shady characters. He CHOSE Haleigh’s fate with his actions.
Ron needs un unremovable copy of this plastered on his Cell wall… until the day he is released!
CATHY, All they need is a drivers license. It would come up and they would call it in. Look at the PCSD site they catch everyone on outstanding warrents, probation violations, everything. Joes friends car was also searched so he had no weapons. jmo
Oh my goodness, peeps, just being all excited today cuz my boy took a plea.
I really was just being sarcastic, and I know about all the evidence stuff, that’s why I said that. Sometimes we all get wrapped up and carried away, me today, I guess it’s my turn.
Do any of u know me to be rude? (not counting when I first came on) My apologies, sincerely. (and I’m not being sarcastic now)
Ron Fan
Did Tommy go to court today?
Rons plea was not accepted and may not be. Its all up in the air. jmo
And really they dont need Ron to testify its all on tape. what could he add to that? lol jmo
I really want to know how Tommy responded to Ron’s potential plea – based on him testifying against him and Misty.
I can see it now Ron on the stand testifying against Misty. Really would it look good for the prosecuter to have a grown man who was also in the drug sting to testify against a 18yr. old girl? Think about it. jmo
Ron might have something to say about his missing gun in regards to JO.
No doubt Sara Jane. Ron is not without his faults in all of this. I just don’t believe he killed his child. He may have put her harms way to be murdered, but he didn’t kill her.
His plea is for the drug charges not the Haleigh case.jmo
According to AH ‘sources’ Chelsea or Lindsy (not sure which without re-reading the articles), Misty OFTEN called for help from her family, and they would go to the MH to pick her up and take her away from Ron.
In the police report for the fight between Ron/Tom/Hank at Annettes MH, in which Misty was punched by both her father and brother, her dad told police that he didn’t want to make a statement about what happened because he DIDN’T WANT TO MAKE MISTY MAD, but that he would if called to testify in court.
Misty claimed Tom called her repeatedly during the day, and that she told him to not come to Annette’s MH, but Tom said she called for help, because Ron was assaulting her.
Hank didn’t want to make Misty mad, so he didn’t make a statement . . .
Just wondering if RON put one or more of the bruises on Misty that night, but she blamed it all on Tom.
Shockwave… like most of this cases… only the guilty really know the whole truth!
And sad to say, in this case… there are just way to many lies and liars to know what is the ‘whole truth’.
But, a child is missing presumed dead. A tiny child is dead… that is just heart wrenching to hear – let alone know.
Annette proved her honesty that night of the fight at her MH. She told police the truth about what she did, and what Ron did.
SHE was honest about Ron reaching inside the van to hit Tom – she didn’t cover for him.
Hank COULD HAVE given a statement that night, too, but didn’t. His reason – he didn’t want to make Misty mad.
Because Annette washonest about what Ron did that night leads me to believe she can be trusted to tell the truth.
It will be interesting to see just who LE did talk to the first day, who was questioned, who was just given forms to fill out.
Since JO was staying in Crescent city I don’t think LE would have even questioned him as a witness, until the Croslins threw him under the bus, then FBI flew to TN and questioned him.
Shockwave @ 3:59: I think Ron wanted to find out if Misty was the enemy, and may STILL be wondering, just as we are.
Shockwave said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
People on probation have been known to break the rules of their probation. If JO was on probation, why the heck was he out of state?
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you can get a pass from your PO to go just about anywhere.There isn’t a law saying you can’t leave you just can’t leave without permission.
I am sure PCSO ran Joe through some kind of check and if on probation and out of town without permission he wouldn’t have gotten to go back to TN and TN knew he was down there after Haleigh disappeared so he must of had permission or wasn’t on probation.
I have a feeling that Rons plea was just that and wont get accepted. Sure will get Misty peed off though so it was worth the paper it was on anyways. Wonder if they will all play the delay game, Ron wont be in court again until July.jmo
Don’t we all want to believe our wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend would NEVER hurt our child?
Makes sense for Ron to say “Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer”, and endeavor to keep Misty close/closer.
You also may want an enemy closer because they may tell what they know about you. jmo
Joes Page one month after Haliegh went missing,Top says IF YOU DONT REMEMBER IT,IT DIDNT HAPPEN. STRNGE THING TO SAY.stats High
Well Tom could have stole the first small gun from Ron,blaming it on Joe,Tom is accused of other gun theifs.
Or Joe,liking gun,could have talking the hand gun thinking it would fll on Tom,because he to liked guns.Sombody stashed the the small gun,stolen from Ron.An Hank got on Joes butt about it,all night according to Ron.
So this could have been a start off as a theift for the assult gun,an it just turned bad.
I just dont think Ron,or Misty hurt that baby.Other than being drug addict care takers.I dont believe Ron molested her,or abused her.
I think Marie Griff was making the calls to DFS.Accusing Ron,they were after the children,an she sure as crap wasnt paying her part in raising them.How many people have dont this when in a custody war.
I think she was happy to be back with Ron,an loved all children.Just because we see shes brave when high,selling a few pills,doesnt make her a cold callious child killer.
An accident,unless her fault i think she would have called Ron,TN,GG Sykes,or 911.Either one of those men are the culprit,or A outsider.
He knew how she was around his babies,he must have trusted her with them.Mistake maybe,or just something that happened out of their control.
MOP after reading,an seeing all videos.An from knowing how crazy things can get After a child murder,as we went through one our self.(2yr old murdered)
Theres a beautiful innocent child still missing,an 15 months later still no charges,on anyone,except for drugs.Not a body,bone,her neclace,or anything found.
We have went over,an over again many theories,im sure LE reads these blogs.But still no arrest.
So either they are still building a case,for an arrest,or they have nothing but,these people going down for HARD LONG TIME that i dont think fits the amount,or crime,of how it went down.
I think the bonds set all had to do with Halieghs case,as we see many not on those type bonds,Rons,an Mistys are off the charts,compaired to child rapest,muderers.These are only POI,not accused of the crime by the law.
ANYTHING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PRESICIOUS CHILDS CASE IS ALRIGHT
MOP,ONLY
Tobias, if Misty knows that Ron hurt Haleigh, do you see any reason why she wouldn’t reveal that now?
If she doesn’t tell a story about Ron hurting Haleigh, do you think that means he didn’t?
I didn’t knoow that jason,she vouched for tom?
Well,thats good! lol
Lindsy knows her husband and even she had to ask Was It You?
That question is very telling to me.
Jason said,in May 13th, 2010 at 4:24 pm Don’t we all want to believe our wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend would NEVER hurt our child?
Makes sense for Ron to say “Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer”, and endeavor to keep Misty close/closer.
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I totally agree there too Jason,if my daughter had known her b/f would take her dads life she’d have never been with him,ya know?
Her dads family blame her big time but she didn’t know that!!!! Her guilt alone did enough damage! let alone his family and i can understand they were hurt,heck we all were and still are!
CathyJo, YES, she did! Told the truth about what Ron did, and the truth is what Tom said he did.
I give Annette and Flora TONS OF CREDIT for telling the truth.
tobias said,in May 13th, 2010 at 3:48 pm CATHY, All they need is a drivers license. It would come up and they would call it in. Look at the PCSD site they catch everyone on outstanding warrents, probation violations, everything. Joes friends car was also searched so he had no weapons. jmo
Right Tobias!
Ron may have been just talking,around Tim,an others when he said those things about Misty,he was always up Misty butt,each chance he got,i belive he cared for her.
I do too Jason,anyone who tells the truth is AOK wiff me,lol
Jan57 said,in May 13th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
look how they pranced around in the 1st couple videos,all hugged up,misty swinging left to right,like c/a did..her strut?
CathyJo @ 4:33, yes – at the most your daughter knew they didn’t get along. She couldn’t predict that her husband would kill.
Sure she thought a SO was gonna take the blame.
She would go on with Ron and everything would be fine. Then when they claimed it was not a stranger all of a sudden Joes name came up.
If joe had anything to do with it why didnt it show up on that stress test when she said the things about him and Tommy? If she was so scared of him the last thing she would do was say he had molested her. And she pointed right at him and Tommy. jmo
exactly right Jason! who did?
I never thought it,Though i always thought he’d kill her though! very abusive!
Misty – “Only guilty people need lawyers”, and her strutting are two factors which lead me to think she is more innocent than not.
CathyJO
Did Tommy go to court today?
CathyJo,
Yes, most often a spouse is killed, not a father-in-law.
Those police scans ,running system checks sometimes fail.I seen it in the new,ive seen where they let prisoner,out by accident,it didnt show in the System,he had a hold on him,a accused murder,a second state,the released him,an then had to turn around,An go on a madssive man hunt.
A woman gets pulled,she shows no DL,they write her a ticket,on her imfo An she rolls on out.They had her in the system also,but it didnt show.She slid through that one,only to turn her self in later,an beat the case.I was in the car with this woman,had no idea she was in trouble in another state.Untill she called after she turned her selk in.Icould have went to jail for aiding,an abiding.
But systems fail,in tracking them sometime.Unless a(( NCIC)) search is done,state wide,then they usual catch the violator.Many officers,only run the state,search,on a person,not state wide.which is the NCIC
IMO the only truth I hear is in the quality of Tommy’s voice, and his concern about losing Lindsy. He sounds dejected, and like he is losing it, and mostly, that there is no way out of his situation.
I think he is still hoping against hope he can weasel a bs story with just enough truth to maybe help himself so he can get out sooner. Something he can use to convince Lindsey to wait for him. I think Lindsey knows more than everyone thinks she knows. Maybe it’s ok to accidentally be involved with the ‘Haleigh situation’, and feel her husband is basically innocent, and feels a need to protects him. But if he lied to her about more than that she might be feeling betrayed, turned off, and wanting to protect her future and cut her losses.
You can hear for sure that he’s insecure and desperate regarding Lindsy as he says over and over, “Tell her I love her”. Also he brings up more than once that he doesn’t understand why Lindsy turned the money down. And he didn’t bring up the “well I could use the money for stuff even if you didn’t want it” routine he likes to engage in. He always concerns himself with money and getting his needs met.
Previously, if I understood correctly, Lindsy was always arguing with Tommy that his parents owed her money. So if she refused money from them, it seems to indicate she is withdrawing from Tommy and the family and wants out. Tommy instinctively gets this. I do not think he will cope w/o Lindsy’s support.
With so many people speculating for so long being aware of that river pier as a possible crime scene,it just doesn’t sound like he’s said anymore that wasn’t already known. If he said he did it, or incriminated himself in such a way that it’s costing him something,then I’d think he was being more honest, although not necessarily completely honest.
Jan57, I believe Ron really loved Misty. It was probably very hard for him to even think of her as possibly the enemy, but for Haleigh he did.
Hiya KyMom,I think Ron did but it was rescheduled or sommin,and havent heard if tommy has yet but he is supposed to today!
turned what money down homespain ??
Homespain,that would be a very hard predicament,I think he is very dependant on Lindsey moreso than she is him?
In the article by Dana Treen in the Jacksonville.com. It stated that Tommys Lawyer Werter had this video released to prove Tommy did not give G. Hollers the vital info.
It also says that the negotiations were stalled on Wednesday with the state for Rons testimony against his co-defendants.Ron wants in exchange if this happens not to be sentenced until after the Croslins.
Maybe this willl get him to just come clean about all of it!
Ron’s explanation for ‘ratgate’: Wants to see how well Misty can lie.
Makes sense.
do you guys remember wwhen the subject ccame up about a tape that said ron and misty were caught saying,”tI think they are onto us”?
it just popped in my mind but i never head if it was true or not!
Lie detection through eye reading, ratgating, statement analysis, reading body language, lie detector testing.
She lied real good for him too. Why did she agree to it? Putting a dead headless rat in a mailbox her nephews or Lindsy may open? jmo
CathyJo it was on the Cobra tapes.
I recall reading that CathyJo, but never saw/heard it on a video.
ohh was it,Thanx!!
I didn’t hear it,what did you make of it Looking?
CathyJo what do you think Werters stratedgy was for releasing this phone conv. to the public today?
I took it as Werter wanted the public to know that he told us the truth about Tommy. That he is not the one who murdered Haleigh,but Tommy knows who did. Madj is correct and I am glad she pointed it out that Tommy neve said Joes name;G.Holler did and Tommy went with it.
And he lied because his wife was threatening divorce. jmo
I am actually thinking hard on that one right now,
I do think that he did it because of Flora and what she has been saying,on the side of Tommy…………I honestlty don’t know yet!
I’m just a lurker, but after listening to the tape I have a comment..please correct me if I’m wrong!
It couldn’t have been Lisa at Granny Flo’s…..at that time she couldn’t leave the county to visit Misty or Tommy, so there is no way she could have left the state. Plus, Granny mentioned to Tommy she didn’t know if she was going to tell his mother something.
At times it seemed like Lindsey was there when she was relaying the “I love you” messages but at the end they were trying to call Lindsy back.
If I remember correctly, one of Granny’s daughters live with her. At the beginning there was some confusion about another phone. I wonder if when Tommy calls Granny and wants something to be passed on to Lindsy they get her on the phone. It also makes more sense that the daughter was the one talking about Lindsy saying Chelsea was running her mouth (or something to that effect)
So did I misunderstand about the daughter living with her?
I also wondered what stalled Rons negotiations with the state?
After this “new” audio has been releashed, I wonder….Is there more vids or audios here that we havent seen???? If so, why will they not give them to us to peruse…..
CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
lol shockwave,that was my point,someone was tho because they had to get back before the parole officer knew? I dunno,maybe i dreamed it,lol but i swear i read it….lol
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No you did not dream it. I read it to sometime at the beginning. It said Joe called his girlfriend to come get him early and get back to TN asap because he did not have permission to leave the state. LE checking him out would not show that info. Just seeing that he is on probation would not tell all the terms of his probation. Unless his state found out and issued a warrant LE in Florida wouldn’t necessarily know that he didn’t have permission to be there.
Why would they need Ron to testify? They dont they have video of the actual events. Rons lawyer is just trying any kind of plea to get his client less time. Notice there is no statement from the PA saying they are working on anything. jmo
CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
do you guys remember wwhen the subject ccame up about a tape that said ron and misty were caught saying,”tI think they are onto us”?
it just popped in my mind but i never head if it was true or not!
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That is what Cobra said that he has on tape at MeeMaw’s Restaurant. I still want him to play that tape for us. That is the same conversation that Cobra says Ron had NG on speed dial.
Simon, please get that tape for us!!! TIA
I agree with you Tobias on why they would need his testimony at all. I was just wondering what could have stalled Rons negotiations yesterday.
Treece, I agree. Not to mention that PCSO was to busy questioning Misty that first day to do much questioning of anybody else. I can not wait for Sunshine laws to kick in so we can see exactly who LE questioned and who they didn’t.
Cathy Jo 63- If i remember correctly Tommy’s Mom and Dad owed Lindsey money. In some of the older Tommy and Lindsy tapes, you hear some arguments over that subject. Yea, it is a hard predicament and in spite of all his naughtiness, feel for the guy on some level. Yes, Lindsy obviously copes better than he does. He is dependent on drugs, gets in legal trouble all the time while his wife keeps it together. In spite of the whirlwind around her get’s through school while taking care of everyone else.
I agree Tobias the tapes spell it out they wouldn’t need additional testimoney- somethins funny here jmo
I have to agree with Treece I myself would like to listen to the tape Cobra said he has of Misty telling Ron they are on to us and that Ron had NG on speed dial.
LFJ @ 5:12 pm, During the call, Tom was about to tell Flora, but ended up agreeing with her when she said Joe.
She said Joe first; he affirmed.
If he was about to tell her someone other than Joe, then he would have, as his intent was to tell her.
Tom agreed with Flora.
Jason I agree that he went with Flora. Flora was only telling the world what she had heard. I cannot honestly say I feel he was about to say Joes name, because that is not what I heard.
Hide a gun in a ditch, drive by on the way out of town to pick it up. Maybe.
LFJ, I have a lot of other things to take care of now, but if I transcribe it later this evening, I’ll post it.
see you all tomorrow. Have a nice night.
ok Jason. Goodnight
LFJ, Tom had plenty of opportunity after he agreed with Flora, to dis-agree.
He didn’t disagree with her, and didn’t want her to tell yet, as he wanted to tell his attorney [and LE?].
Sorry JustAmom,I don’t know for sure!possible though!
G’nite LFJ – BBL.
Ohhhh Yes they did Homespain,sorry….blonde moment!
TY!
Tommy goes to trial June 20th per first coast and June 23 per Jax. Nothing else was said about Tommy’s in court today. They did make a big stink about the audio with grandma Flora H.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/5pm/default.aspx
5PM Video Report has the update: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=85486361001
Also, Levi will be on JVM at 7PM. Haleigh coverage.
Do any of you know what happened when Tommy went to court today? His hearing should have been over a long time ago.
Miss Betty – I have scanned the posts and I don’t think anyone knows – it has been asked a few times. I will keep looking. I am also curious about Tommy’s court date.
homespain said,in May 13th, 2010 at 5:24 pm Cathy Jo 63- If i remember correctly Tommy’s Mom and Dad owed Lindsey money. In some of the older Tommy and Lindsy tapes, you hear some arguments over that subject. Yea, it is a hard predicament and in spite of all his naughtiness, feel for the guy on some level. Yes, Lindsy obviously copes better than he does. He is dependent on drugs, gets in legal trouble all the time while his wife keeps it together. In spite of the whirlwind around her get’s through school while taking care of everyone else.
Right HomeSpain,I know someone who used to be the exact same way,how I noticed it!
treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 5:22 pm CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
do you guys remember wwhen the subject ccame up about a tape that said ron and misty were caught saying,”tI think they are onto us”?
it just popped in my mind but i never head if it was true or not!
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That is what Cobra said that he has on tape at MeeMaw’s Restaurant. I still want him to play that tape for us. That is the same conversation that Cobra says Ron had NG on speed dial.
Simon, please get that tape for us!!! TIA
Ty Treece,I’d like to hear it too,I will try to find it for us!
I believe Lindsy knows the story but which story is it? Seems the person that Tommy is talking about is Joe but if you listen closely he could be talking about someone else. This person cant get to anyone of them which could mean he is in jail. He also threatened to kill all of them(ratgate) (fight at AS MH) gUESS WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT TO ALL COME OUT NOW. JMO
Unedited phone call between Flora and Tommy 8)
http://www.centralmediaserver.com/WTEV/wtev2010/STJ02-34-20100411195112.wav
tobias and cathyjo63 I picked up on that as well re. GH filling in the blank w/ Jo. Who knows what the truth is.
It would be interesting if Ron not only is turning on Misty to save his own skin but knows his testimony will insure it’s a life sentence for the person he believes is at the core of his daughter’s disappearance. Just a hmmm moment for me.
Hi everyone,
Art Harris just dropped his big “bombshell” on JVM. Lindsy filed for divorce from Tommy. Lol
How far behind is he anyway? Cracks me up.
stormgardner, LOL, The Bald Wonder. LOL
does anyone know how court w/TOmmy went?
FirstCoast news article
Werter says Croslin didn’t come forward sooner because he was scared for his family.
“He’s been living under a atmosphere of fear for almost a year and a half and you listen to the tape and he says what he was in fear of, the person, his children and wife,” said Werter.
Werter also says Croslin was forced at gunpoint to go with Overstreet to the St. Johns River when Overstreet was disposing of Haleigh’s body.
I havent heard anything yet has anyone else?
I hope Tommy gets to meet old sparky.
Tommy did this, I have no doubt, and is trying to blame JO for Tommy’s crime against a little innocent child.
If Tommy was living in fear for his children and his wife, I wonder why he didn’t stay home at night and look after them. Instead, we know what he was doing.
Whats his excuse for after Joe was in Tenn. he could have talked at any time why wait and let the whole family go through hell? It makes no sense. jmo
JO left that day. Tommy had plenty of time to tell somebody, even if he told Ron, somebody. Tommy is a lying piece of crap.
And Misty never would have gone to Tenn. for 10 days, after she had pointed at Joe on her stress test and the van too. jmo
I think Misty figured it out that it was Tommy and that is why Tommy, Lisa, and Hank were trying to drag her into the van at GS’s house, so they could get her out of town, or worse.
Karon said,in May 13th, 2010 at 6:33 pm If Tommy was living in fear for his children and his wife, I wonder why he didn’t stay home at night and look after them. Instead, we know what he was doing.
Exactly right Karon,Tommy is a ME ME ME Guy!
WhyLie said,in May 13th, 2010 at 6:30 pm FirstCoast news article
Werter says Croslin didn’t come forward sooner because he was scared for his family.
“He’s been living under a atmosphere of fear for almost a year and a half and you listen to the tape and he says what he was in fear of, the person, his children and wife,” said Werter.
Werter also says Croslin was forced at gunpoint to go with Overstreet to the St. Johns River when Overstreet was disposing of Haleigh’s body.
OMG NOW THATS A LOAD OF PURE DANG BS!
Fear,the wrath of God maybe!
Idiot!
wow StormGardener,you know I am so glad AH figurted that out,I don’t think i could have lived until tomorrow if he hadn’t let that out!
rofl…….If he had a brain he’d be dangerous!imo
It’s very strange there is nothing about how Tommy made out in court today. Something doesn’t seem right.
Well JVM only played,an discussed what part of the new video,Simon has up.An never went to the part,where Tommy stated no,Haligh did not OD,on a pill.
I just love how Media only plays what parts they want.Lets see what old Bombshell Tonight(NG) says,or how much she allows to play.
Did i thank you Simon,Jan,an who ever got the tape for you.Well im thanking you now for all the work you do.
ok,lemme guess,he ties Haleigh,gets a brick,carries Haleigh,shuts the van doors all with a gun in his hand,o geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Tommy confessed to being present when Haleigh’s body was disposed of, WHY hasn’t he been charged?
There is a reason for that jailhouse audio coming out, at this time. I wonder if some charges are coming down in Haleigh’s disappearance. This is, also, taking a long time for news of Tommy’s court appearance this morning to come out. I wonder what is going on.
I don’t believe that Tommy was forced at gunpoint to go down to the river with Joe to dispose of Haleigh’s body. Why would he want a witness? This doesn’t make any sense, unless he was too messed up to drive. Nothing about this whole case makes any sense. I don’t know why I keep expecting these people to make sense.
Where did he get this gun? jmo
Yes WhyLie,he daggone sure did! that guys an idiot,scared of JO,Him…………why i’d make toast of that little germ with my hands tied!
it didn’t sound so bad when it was Misty scared,but this is a guy who scares his own kids!
Cause Karon,you’re no diff than we are……but to catch these idiots yaa gotta think like an idiot!
Thought before it was a knife too? sheeeeesh
Lindsy is really in trouble to since she was giving him an alibi after 10. And Chelsea said Joe was at her house until she went to bed late.jmo
CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
ok,lemme guess,he ties Haleigh,gets a brick,carries Haleigh,shuts the van doors all with a gun in his hand,o geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Sure he could of..put gun in mouth laying flat and use his tongue to pull the trigger. That leaves both hands free 😉 LOL
Me thinks Werter is really a stupid man or he thinks we are stupid
tobias, they all need to be charged.
They’ve all lied so much they don’t no what the truth is.
It’s really heart breaking.
I think Werter gave that statement BECAUSE he knows Tommy is about to be charged.
WhyLie said,in May 13th, 2010 at 6:32 pm Tommy did this, I have no doubt, and is trying to blame JO for Tommy’s crime against a little innocent child.
why I would bet he did it now!
Maybe why Ron didn’t care to go to prison where he could wait on ole Mr.Tommy!
Remember the Blogger that came here a few days ago and said charges would be made when Tommy and Ron went to court? Maybe she really did know something. Lets hope Justice for Haleigh will come soon.
WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Tommy confessed to being present when Haleigh’s body was disposed of, WHY hasn’t he been charged?
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Why charge him with a petty charge like improperly disposing of a body when they are going to file murder charges against him?…hopefully soon.
Like Ron’s lawyer said, they don’t have anything to work with. Lies and drugs, lies and drugs, and more lies and more drugs. I am so disgusted with these people.
Exactly Linda,wait and see,when they die they’ll make lye soap out of them,thats all they do!
OMG Vaq,I hope you’re right!
Miss Betty,may be,lol
Would Misty lie for Tommy? I dont think so.But if he threatened to kill his whole family maybe she would. But after she was in jail she would tell it all. jmo
What I hear on the audio between 2:02 and 4:58:
TOM @ 2:02: Tell her I have to do something that I should have done a long time ago.
FLORA: He says he’s got to do something that he should a done a long time ago, and I don’t
want to hear the answer to it ’cause I already know it.
TOM: Just scared, don’t want no one to hurt my kid.
FLORA: I know it, I know it. Oh my God. Yes, I’m sure. I’m sure.
TOM: He’s gotta pay.
FLORA: Say’s he’s got to pay for it.
He’s got to pay for it he said
And he’s got to pay for it he said.
TOM: He can’t hurt nobbody
FLORA: He can’t hurt nobody. Do you Tommy?
What’s that? Do you know?
TOM: All I know is that he’s got to pay and he can’t get to none of us, so it don’t matter.
FLORA: He’s got to pay, and he can’t get to none of ya all so it don’t matter, but get his
lawyer there.
TOM: Tell her I love her. Tell her to come see me when she can.
FLORA: She said is it you or is it someone else?
TOM: It aint me, no it’s not me. She should know that. She’s already heard the story, so.
FLORA: You’ve already heard the story, but it’s not him. And is it the story that Misty said?
TOM: Yeah, but it, yeah, that’s it.
FLORA: Joe?
TOM: Yep
FLORA: Okay, that’s what I been thinkin’ all along. I ‘ve said it all along.
TOM: Well, he can’t get to me, he can’t get to them, so they’ll take care of it.
FLORA: Let me tell you what I was told. I was told that Ron come home, and Haleigh had took, found one of his pills and took it and was dead, and Ron called you to get you to come up there to come up there, and help Misty . . .
TOM: That’s bullshit
FLORA: . . . to clean the house up, and while he disposed of Haleigh.
TOM: That’s bullshit
FLORA: OK, well I’m glad you’re telling me the truth baby, because I’ve been wantin’ to hear
it for a long time, but I knowed it, I’ve knowed it in my heart, all this time I’ve knowed it. Lindsy get his lawyer there as soon as possible.
TOM: I should have gotten the first one in, tell her I love her.
FLORA: OK, she calling, she’s calling your lawyer for you right now.
FLORA: Allright, I love you baby, he loves you too.
FLORA: She loves you baby.
TOM: Tell her I love her.
FLORA @ 4:58: He loves you back.
vaquera, the same reason they charged Casey with a lesser crime until they had all they needed to charge her with murder.
ok nowwwwww I go back to my original theory……….well 2nd,lol Tommy slipped Misty a roofie,propped the door open earlier that day,she couldn’t see if it was? stole the keys,waited and came back to knock making sure she was out cold,took Haleigh,laid the keys back where they were……Misty wakes up clueless,hmmm i wonder!
CathyJo:
I have been accused of thinking like an idiot before, but I can’t get quite stupid enough to figure these people out.LOL I get to the point that I can’t take it, at times.
tobias said,in May 13th, 2010 at 6:53 pm Lindsy is really in trouble to since she was giving him an alibi after 10. And Chelsea said Joe was at her house until she went to bed late.jmo
She should be too,anybody who lies and a child involved!
The Anthonys have not been charged with any of the lies they told and don’t think they had gun in play.
treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 5:18 pm CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
lol shockwave,that was my point,someone was tho because they had to get back before the parole officer knew? I dunno,maybe i dreamed it,lol but i swear i read it….lol
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No you did not dream it. I read it to sometime at the beginning. It said Joe called his girlfriend to come get him early and get back to TN asap because he did not have permission to leave the state. LE checking him out would not show that info. Just seeing that he is on probation would not tell all the terms of his probation. Unless his state found out and issued a warrant LE in Florida wouldn’t necessarily know that he didn’t have permission to be there.
Ohh Thanx Treece,thought i’d flipped again!
Flora certainly wasn’t too ‘borderline retarded’ to relay messages between Lindsy and Tommy.
Lindsy: Ungrateful daughter-in-law. Don’t shoot!
Karon said,in May 13th, 2010 at 7:03 pm CathyJo:
I have been accused of thinking like an idiot before, but I can’t get quite stupid enough to figure these people out.LOL I get to the point that I can’t take it, at times.
LoL Karon,I shoulda figured them out a long time ago then,lol
Cathy, do you remember my theory? Its on HGM site. I thought this in the beginning but it was too easy. Why would Misty lie for Tommy all this time? jmo
I don’t word for word but close enough Tobias,Yes I do!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am listening to the unedited version now Tommy and Flora!
now we have to think why she’d lie for tommy?
seems simple but can’t be,something either she helped or?
I don’t have that link or i’d go read it again Tobias!
is flora laughing or crying?
can’t get to none of them but can his kids he were afraid they’d harm in the 1st place,yea right!
Just find a HGM post sometime and press on her name it will take you to it I think. I use my link on my e mail. jmo
omg,take the rest of the xanax and kill her damn self,o good heavens!
ohh,really Tobias,hmmmm ty
flora says the F word,omggggggggggggg
I have to agree, they wouldn’t release this tape if this was the entire scenario since it’s still an ongoing investigation,
Why does HLN just release little snipets of the tapes? I’m not bothering to watch NG. She gets under my skin. Listening to her is like nails scraping across a chalk board.
HGM has a site? I didn’t realize that. I remember her saying something about it, but never did see it. Would someone be kind enough to provide a link if possible?
gonna look for a post from hgm,brb
Misty states she was three feet from Haleigh the last time she saw her. Any change from that now is suspicious. I want to know why?
But, she doesn’t have to say anything now. She’s lawyered up and knows what she can play the silent defense or make up things or tell the truth with her rights intact.
it takes me to her new site?
When I think I have this case all figured out, I am checking into a hospital. The lawyers don’t even make sense.
forensics sommin was the name!
I would like to see our old theories again,lol
LoL Karon,Amen,then we know we need help!
I have seen everything in this world,i swear i have but i never heard an ole lady say the F word so much in my life,well at all really!
Hey everyone I stumbled upon this it has a small sniplet about TC’s court appearance not much info tho just a lil blip about his theft hearing was set for June 20th ( around the 2:24 mark) Too weird that nothing being reported about his pre-trial hearing that was today??
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=85486361001#/Jail+Phone+Call+with+Tommy+Croslin/85486361001
Tommy is upset on the call because he flunked the lie detector test and was called on it. He knows Lindsy is going to leave him when she finds out.
Also, why would he be afraid of Joe when Joe was in Tennessee? If they came to steal a gun and didn’t find it, how did Joe threaten him with a gun?
Lastly, Misty gave up Joe to the police the next day or so ….she wasn’t too afraid of him! I personally think Joe,Tommy or both of them killed her and dumped her.
shoot,my amom didn’t know what it meant,when i was in 5th grade my bestfriend would dare me to say it over and over in front of her,LoL She’d have brought blood if she knew,lol
exactly Jean,but i am certain now Tommy had a big hand in it!
Karon: I’m with you!
I wasnt so sure before is what i meant to say Jean,lol but yea he figured out she was gonna divorce him anyway!
The site is forensicforum1.freeforums.org/
ahaaaaaaaaaaaa,ty Tobias!
doesn’t work for me Tobias!
I emailed HGM!
Stillucy:
Isn’t it the truth. They have me talking to myself. Wow! Why did we have our doubts about Tommy? He and his mother were out at night, stealing from a blind man that had been trying to help them.
Then, he is fussing at Lyndsy that she is letting the little boy run wild.
I can get there from my email site but I cant copy the site. sorry. jmo
ill wait till hgm emails me,TY tho Tobias!
bbib Teds home
My theory was posted on the site in January. HGM and I took alot of flak about bringing up the gators then but we just had this feeling that it was the only other way she would not be found if she wasnt abducted. These people didnt care about Haleigh enough to risk jail so it was the only way for them to be sure she would never be found. Misty knew this because she was so confident that she would never be arrested. Watch the airport video from wesh tv.
She is very confident. jmo
Jaba, the police report states Misty, Butterbean, and Haleigh were in the same bed.
*Jaba, the report doesn’t refer to Ron’s son as Butterbean, though.
Tommy should have been a POI for LE from the start, even if they suspected Misty. He was there that day and could have easily unlocked that back door without Misty knowing it. LE should have been all over him. I can’t wait to read the questioning of Tommy, the dates that the questioning took place, and the depth of the questioning.
Stormgardner @ 7:25, I can barely stand to listen to NG; Marlaina isn’t any better – sometimes worse!
Big headline when Flora and Annette were on was about them FIGHTING, which never even happened.
They use the families.
Thanks guys, I’ll try it from her email.
Tobias, your theory about the gators is not so far fetched. Yes, it’s absolutely sickening, but you have to throw out everything to get to the truth. We know most likely something horrible happened to her. Your theory is no worse than others. After all, they are the ones that said that river was like Lake Placid.
I really hope that’s not the case. I’m still not set on any one theory.
About the taped conversation>>I just have to say something.I listen to this tape,over,an over.
Im Glad Lindseys moved on,her choice.
But i see something in her.Shes a trouble maker.Back biter.
Remember how bad she was talking about HankSR,an Lisa,when they borrowed,the 400 dollars,an Timmy was suppose to pay half back.Lindsey said NO Hanks gona pay it ALL back!!! Hank,an Lisa offered her the 2 hundred back,all they probably could come up with/their half.An she says she dont want that money,she wont take it,To Tommys grand ma
This is my take,i watch women who try to drive a wedge between a mom,an son,all my life,daughter,an dad.I cant stand jealousy<(hope i spelled that right)
Lindsy on the other tape said well ill tell, Art Harris,an NG..Tom says dont do that,or why would you do that.
She said they love it,they love to hear that stuff,an i think she said it will get played on TV. WTH !! is she Queen Be now,THEY ALL LIVED TOGETHER,HankSr has worked before getting hurt,im sure he helped her an Tommy feed their babies through the yrs when rough spots hit them.
The seem to love the babies,an want to see,them.Im sure they would take even supervise grandparnt visits.Like many they have all lived together so long,im sure they are lost with out their grandbabies around.
Not one time,have i heard Hank say anything bad,about his daughter in laws.He mainly praises them.Not even when we chat,never ever has he said anything bad.
An i think Tommy was the only one who worked,or she wouldnt have got a tax return,an earned income credit money.Which i believe she pissed away,on usless things.Food bills ,an upkeep of the van should have been a priority not expensive trips to Mass.Of course she did put money on his books also.But Lenny paid for her min,like the last 1,000 she got,as well as the puter,with web cam.Why?? SO HE COULD SEE THE YOUNG WOMAN WHEN HE CHATTED.
That money would have laster her ,an the children longer.Going out at night,but unable to get up an look for work,thats,no different to say it about her,than about Hank.
I cant stand a jealous person, weman do crap like that she already said on video taunting Tommy about him,an his mom,About Tommy loving his mother.momas boy,she says,on one tape.Hey all momas love their sons.
Then who evers in the back ground who stays at grannys a lot,i believe one of Tommys aunts,She said Chealsea stringing all this shit around.Wonder what that ment. Could it be stuff from when Lindsy had visited her in Mass,an what she was telling them.
Also when Hank Sr,an Lisa hadnt been to visit,an T&L were saying they got to be out on a binge.They didnt know Hank had already had his court hearing, pled,an got probation,as well as Lisa pled,
Advice by C. App lawyer
They probably had to use some to pay on fines,gas,phone car,food,His unemployment runs out this month,unless they extend it a second time,as its already been extended once.
.An they are being randomly drug tested(plea deal).Therefor they couldnt visit,as Lisa couldnt when she got her first Probation an had to stop going to jail visits.(Jail rule)Also Tommy said on this tape,that Lindsy knew what he was talking about.But Lindst goes on,an on about it!!
I dont care for a back biting person either.I have never ever said a bad thing about my son/an daughters granparents.If i cared for them,or not.Because of my children.
My OP
Well I took into fact that TM was not willing to search anymore. I believe he felt this is what happened too. After being around these people and how they were its easy to come to that and now we can see it since Ron even thought it. I just dont understand why he wouldnt go after Joe?Demand that area be searched? Its way too weird. jmo
Jan57:
Have you listened to the unedited version of Tommy’s call to GGma Hollar? Listen to that tape, and you might understand why Lyndsy is throwing a fit. I wouldn’t want them near my children alone. Just listen to that tape how Hank, Sr and Lisa are acting. Tommy has been hanging up on them, himself. They were messed up bad on those drugs. They had to put Hank in jail for 12 hours to keep him from killing himself with a knife. Lisa is threatening to take pills and kill herself. It is a mess.
Is this the real story? The one Ron talks about? Was this story relayed to him from Tommy? I find it really wierd that Tommy would tell Ron about it when this is supposed to be the place Haleigh really was. And why would he add the part about Joe saying it would be a great place to get rid of someone?
Something stinks bad with this story. jmo
TM wouldn’t continue to search for a missing child because he already knew what happened? I do not think he had any idea or he would of never left and would of searched that dock. IMO this case was derailed by all these stories since the beginning. We are back at the beginning again, ground zero! NO CHARGES AND NO ARRESTS and it has been now a month since the search. NO mention of Joe being question again. No POI named and no suspect has confessed.
It is not who everyone wants it to be IMO.
Why release this tape today? What purpose did it serve to save it?
Their lack of respect is disturbing, Jan57. Chelsea called into the NG show to call Flora a liar – and offered ‘proof’ Tom and Misty didn’t call Flora was that ‘there would be recordings’ of the jail calls.
She went on to say Flora hadn’t been involved with her family for 7 years, which seems questionable to me, as Chelsea is only 23/24 years old – 7 years ago, she was only 16/17.
Lindsy’s verbal assaults on his parents and grandmother are mean – hard to believe she loves Tom when she talks so derogatorily abuot his parents.
OMG Jason!
No wonder she uses that word,what a family!
Thats very distatseful Jason,and she said before they’re not around to babysit so i can come to see Tommy,they were good enough when she needed them! tix me off,disrespectful!
Tobias,everytime!
maybe Hank was right,when he said it wouldn’t take Lindsey long to find another man!
I don’t blame her for the divorce but just a few days ago she was praising them all,
Jason,I am sure she’s trying to get padillas sympathy,
CathyJo, I don’t think the true family picture is that Lindsy is an angel, while FLora and Hank and Lisa are devils! LOL, KWIM?
if she were gonna kill herself she wouldn’t have told it……….imo
and I’d say its been torment on them and added with drug abuse OMGGGGGGG!
But still they didn’t harm Haleigh! they just got the aftermath!
Nobody knows where Lindsy lives, right? Flora and Tom talk as though her location is secret, and Flora says she won’t tell anyone.
Could explain why Tom feels ‘he can’t get to them’.
yes i do exactly,I have always thought in my mind Lindsey is a wolf in sheeps clothing but i diid applaud her for standing her ground about and with Tommy,but lisa and hank diidn’t do anything she hasn’t done,whats the difference in lindsey using padilla and hank using her!
Who in the he11 has the power to kill people? I have heard this many times by a few people that have come to be known as players. I do not believe little ol’ Joe has that kinda of power or is he crazy enough to have a hit list on all of them.
Why would ruby need alot of money to tell what she knows to get away?
Why was Cobra scared he was going to be killed for telling what he knows?
Now we hear Tommy is/was scared for his family?
Drug dealers usually do not take children for payment…..they kill you instead. A killer that seems to have his finger every where controling people he has never met?
Some thing stinks in the compost pile.
Jan57 said,in May 13th, 2010 at 8:16 pm About the taped conversation>>I just have to say something.I listen to this tape,over,an over.
Im Glad Lindseys moved on,her choice.
But i see something in her.Shes a trouble maker.Back biter.
Remember how bad she was talking about HankSR,an Lisa,when they borrowed,the 400 dollars,an Timmy was suppose to pay half back.Lindsey said NO Hanks gona pay it ALL back!!! Hank,an Lisa offered her the 2 hundred back,all they probably could come up with/their half.An she says she dont want that money,she wont take it,To Tommys grand ma
This is my take,i watch women who try to drive a wedge between a mom,an son,all my life,daughter,an dad.I cant stand jealousy<(hope i spelled that right)
Lindsy on the other tape said well ill tell, Art Harris,an NG..Tom says dont do that,or why would you do that.
She said they love it,they love to hear that stuff,an i think she said it will get played on TV. WTH !! is she Queen Be now,THEY ALL LIVED TOGETHER,HankSr has worked before getting hurt,im sure he helped her an Tommy feed their babies through the yrs when rough spots hit them.
The seem to love the babies,an want to see,them.Im sure they would take even supervise grandparnt visits.Like many they have all lived together so long,im sure they are lost with out their grandbabies around.
Not one time,have i heard Hank say anything bad,about his daughter in laws.He mainly praises them.Not even when we chat,never ever has he said anything bad.
An i think Tommy was the only one who worked,or she wouldnt have got a tax return,an earned income credit money.Which i believe she pissed away,on usless things.Food bills ,an upkeep of the van should have been a priority not expensive trips to Mass.Of course she did put money on his books also.But Lenny paid for her min,like the last 1,000 she got,as well as the puter,with web cam.Why?? SO HE COULD SEE THE YOUNG WOMAN WHEN HE CHATTED.
That money would have laster her ,an the children longer.Going out at night,but unable to get up an look for work,thats,no different to say it about her,than about Hank.
I cant stand a jealous person, weman do crap like that she already said on video taunting Tommy about him,an his mom,About Tommy loving his mother.momas boy,she says,on one tape.Hey all momas love their sons.
Then who evers in the back ground who stays at grannys a lot,i believe one of Tommys aunts,She said Chealsea stringing all this shit around.Wonder what that ment. Could it be stuff from when Lindsy had visited her in Mass,an what she was telling them.
Also when Hank Sr,an Lisa hadnt been to visit,an T&L were saying they got to be out on a binge.They didnt know Hank had already had his court hearing, pled,an got probation,as well as Lisa pled,
Advice by C. App lawyer
They probably had to use some to pay on fines,gas,phone car,food,His unemployment runs out this month,unless they extend it a second time,as its already been extended once.
.An they are being randomly drug tested(plea deal).Therefor they couldnt visit,as Lisa couldnt when she got her first Probation an had to stop going to jail visits.(Jail rule)Also Tommy said on this tape,that Lindsy knew what he was talking about.But Lindst goes on,an on about it!!
I dont care for a back biting person either.I have never ever said a bad thing about my son/an daughters granparents.If i cared for them,or not.Because of my children.
My OP
Thats exactly right Jan!
My husbands family has robbed me,took everything we had,sold it,stole it,gave it away and even made me porove i was married to him for 25 yrs and i was next of kin,but through it all i never once said a word to them or about them till now and i guess cause its got me mad right now,
I still wanted Johnny to look down on me and think,thats how its done,I am proud of my wife! Ya know?
I respected him enough to make it as easy as possible for all of them because we all loved him,just in different ways……….it boils my blood to see Lindsey and them go for attack when Hank and Lisa did nothing TO HER!
Some of these media outlets don’t care about Haleigh’s family. They just want ratings. They don’t care about the truth. When Flo was on HLN they all coddled her. They didn’t dare disagree with her about anything. Not even NG. They all knew she’d tell them to “kiss it where the sun don’t shine” and walk off. She might even knock a few heads together.Lol
Went to make some sweet tea, I thought I had already hit send. Guess I’m getting “old timers”
thats her kids grandparents!
they’re no longer needed cuz she needs padillas money grrrrrrrr
Maybe when Tommy said “he can’t get to us anymore”, He was meaning Ron. He kinda paused like he was going to say something else when grandma Hollers cuts in and says “I knew it”. Besides that, JO is still able to get to Tommys kids if he wants so Tommy couldn’t be talking about JO. He says “yea but”. I would have loved for him to have finished that sentence. I wonder what would have came after the “but” part.
that Lindsey is a trouble maker,remember when she brought up the money to tommy,he said then,no timmy needs to pay his part….leave dad alone or something to that effect! Now here she is acting all miss priss!
got all tore up and spilled my guts agin shewww
Yea, but drug dealers will take people for human trafficking purposes. The drug, arms, and trafficking are intimately linked unfortunately.
I just can’t stand a disrespectful person,sorry guys!
I would think if ron were guilty,tommy would have had no problem with it or do you mean like tey redacted that part Cat??
I haven’t read all the posts yet, but I did listen to the audio link above from Vaquera at 6:03 p.m. Thank you Vaquera for providing this.
I missed watching JVM. Does anyone have a link to watch it now?
I think this story was the story that ToC told during his LDT when Lindsy was out of town and his attorney dropped him regarding the Haliegh case because he failed. I think he then took another LDT and passed and that is why his attorney returned to the case.
Maybe, this audio was released now to make RC think that ToC is implicating JO and not him.
It makes no sense that this is the final story regarding JO. They have all been talking about JO from the beginning. ALL IMO
sorry, i didn’t understand Cat but all i saw was red from Jasons post about Lindsey and Chelsea! Whatever happened to respect for elders,some elders i guess deserve it but i don’t think she does!
Hope,hang on,ill get it for you!
CathyJo, I’ll bet Hank and Lisa have loved Lindsy and the children – in an early interview (last year), Lindsy is sitting right beside Lisa, apparently part of the family.
If I had the adress correct, Hank and Lisa’s previous home was an attractive, well-kept home with a shaded, landscaped yard.
Since Febr. 2009, Hank lost his health, has been in physical pain from a car accident, was arrested, he and his wife lost their home, she was arrested twice, two of their three children were arrested on drug charges that may result in their being locked up for years, if not decades, they’ve lost contact with their grandchildren and one daughter-in-law . . .
Is Xanax for anxiety?
Who would be close enough to harm the kids? Who could harm Misty? Who could harm Tommy? Who did Tommy get into a fight with? Why was Tommy avoiding any contact with Ron? It wasnt Joe he was in Tenn. jmo goodnight everyone
Thank you CathyJO
Tommy’s lawyer stated that Tommy helped dispose of Haleigh’s body with JO, at gunpoint. He did not say that Tommy implicated Ron, only JO.
Even if Tommy acted alone or with Misty, they would not implicate Ron because they know LE is satisfied that Ron was at work. That leaves JO for them to implicate.
I would not doubt that Tommy acted alone and used his red truck, not the van.
YVW,Lemme know if it don’t help you!
Remember they were all going to run to Tenn. at one time. Lisa and Hank went there when Lisa stole the checks. And Tommy let them go.
The Joe story doesnt fly. jmo
right Tobias!
CathyJo I didn’t get it. Do you know the link I will just google it.
Thank you so much!
Hope,did you find it,mine don’t work,lol
find another
brb
texas mommy i wrote u something last comment site we were on
let me know,Hope if it doesn’t help ya!
I don’t understand why lawyers believe in the LDT theres a reason why there not used in courts they’ve been around long enough.
Remember the show that was out awhile back it didn’t last long . the test were coming back quilty when people new they weren’t lying.
Cathy, I’m sorry you had to go thru all you did. Seems like horrible things happen to the best people.
Lindsy is starting to show her true colors. I used to feel sorry for her, but you guys are right. You don’t treat a man’s family with such disrespect. As far as I can see, they have been good to her. There is no reason to keep the children away from them. Ive heard so many times that it’s in the childs best interest. That’s pure bs. It’s rarely ever in the childs best interest to keep them away from family they know and love. Kids have a way of thinking things are their fault anyway. If she doesn’t let them see their grandparents, they will grow up to resent her.
She is starting to get cocky. She was even getting her digs in on Tommy who she is supposed to love so much. I can’t blame her for some of it, but she knew it was all being recorded, so she basically humiliated him in front of the world. Some things are just meant to be private.
aghhhhhhh,no good either,sorry!
Anybody have a link to jvm tonights show?
CathyJo @ 9:04, that’s what I think, too. It’s out of respect for the person we love that we don’t tear the people they love apart.
Hank and Lisa will always be Tom’s parents, and the children’s grandparents. Flora will always be Tom’s grandmother, and the children’s great-grandmother – Lindsy has a problem with her – call her a ‘borderline retard’ or any other derogatory name, in person, but not in front of Tom, or her grandchildren!
Whylie,
When did tommys lawyer say tommy was held at gunpoint while disposing of the body? is there any online proof or report of that?
jaba firstcoast news
Werter also says Croslin was forced at gunpoint to go with Overstreet to the St. Johns River when Overstreet was disposing of Haleigh’s body
Cat Dixon, JO can’t get to Tom’s children if he doesn’t know where Lindsy lives with them now.
OMG Exactly StormGardner,
How the heck does Lindsey know she won’t become a victim tomorrow of some horror and Hank and Lisa would want and have to raise her children b/c their dads in prison,would she rather see strangers raise them than someone they know and love? everybody can change,Lisa and Hank made mistakes I am certain they’re sorry for them now but so has Lindsey and if she hasn’t,she will? and i have a feeling she already has,and yes imo she taunted Tommy,making fun basically and thats cruel!
Thank You StormGardener!!!
Hi everyone, I’m back. I’m sure no one likes me anymore, sorry again. Sure didn’t mean any disrespect, I just get too sarcastic sometimes. I would never ever purposely say anything hurtful to any of you. That is my honest truth. I am not that kind of person.
**I think I have just been a mom toooo long!!**
That authoritative tone starts and I can’t stop!!
Exactly Jason,She is so immature and she has me to the boiling point,I have been an addict but i guarantee you I’d fight a bear in the woods at night with a limb to protect my family!
Hi, ronfan!
you didn’t hurt me Ron!
I can’t speak for anyone else tho,but ty anyway,lol
CathyJo, I hear ya!
i saw the heading on JVM,tommy says Haleigh (gone) at trailer but it doesn’t show when i click??
stormgardner said,in May 13th, 2010 at 9:32 pm Cathy, I’m sorry you had to go thru all you did. Seems like horrible things happen to the best people.
Lindsy is starting to show her true colors. I used to feel sorry for her, but you guys are right. You don’t treat a man’s family with such disrespect. As far as I can see, they have been good to her. There is no reason to keep the children away from them. Ive heard so many times that it’s in the childs best interest. That’s pure bs. It’s rarely ever in the childs best interest to keep them away from family they know and love. Kids have a way of thinking things are their fault anyway. If she doesn’t let them see their grandparents, they will grow up to resent her.
She is starting to get cocky. She was even getting her digs in on Tommy who she is supposed to love so much. I can’t blame her for some of it, but she knew it was all being recorded, so she basically humiliated him in front of the world. Some things are just meant to be private.
If its in the childs best interest then i am sorry..what the hello was she living with tommy for,lol ya know what i mean Storm?
Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do when his wife and sister-in-law called LE to come get the van and implicated JO.
Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do when his sister-in-law gave a media interview after the van was returned, in which she implicated JO.
Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do when his parents went to LE and implicated JO.
Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do when his parents, his dad in a wheelchair, gave a media interview in front of the LE station and implicated JO.
Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do while his sister was implicating JO.
But we are to believe that Tommy was afraid of what JO would do. RIGHTTTTTT.
Sorry all- who is jVM? hi Ronfan you wild thing
didn’t mean to have a cold tone Storm,just got upset,lol
and then i thought well lord…..i am mean,lol
Jane valez mitchell!
WhyLie……..you said it sista!!!!!!!
ronfan said,in May 13th, 2010 at 9:39 pm Hi everyone, I’m back. I’m sure no one likes me anymore, sorry again. Sure didn’t mean any disrespect, I just get too sarcastic sometimes. I would never ever purposely say anything hurtful to any of you. That is my honest truth. I am not that kind of person.
**I think I have just been a mom toooo long!!**
That authoritative tone starts and I can’t stop!!
I like ya,lol
and i know the feeling,i get tore up easy myself,
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/04/cousin-joe-fed-animals-to-alligators-at-haleigh-river-search-location/
gosh,that scared the devil outta me!
On CNN.com/nancygrace
Breaking News (for tomorrow night)
Atty: Tommy Croslin:
Haleigh Cummings died in trailer
TY KeepitReal!!
YW, CathyJo!
Guess it’s BOMBSHELL!
So, tommy makes JO the bad guy. That’s ik, bad guy or not, at least tommy is saying he was there and the body was disposed of.
Why would he lie about being at the event? He’s facing three years on dc’s, not the 40 or so misty is. He just sunk himself if true. If JO did have a gun to his head, how would he prove it? Because he says so?
Imo they have enoguh to implicate tommy by his own admission and whatever else they can bolster the case with.
So, if that’s the case, then did misty know during the incident or after? I think so.
Well we still have the fact,they are drug users.What they may have planned to do.It may have just got side tracked when they got high.Talking about (Like im going to talk to that person tomorrow,an find out about Haliegh,or im going to look at this place tomorrow,they get high the next day,an wind up doing something else
IT MAY HAVE STARTED OUT AS A PLAN TO GET TOGETHER AN GET HIGH THAT EVENING,THE 2 men.(cousins)
Joe being he was visiting wanted to get out,an about.Tommy knew who to cop from.One or the other called,an said hey lets go,or had already made plans when at the hospital with Hank earlier..So Joe not wanting to hang with a what he thought to be boring couple.
Chelsea doing paper work doing,for ins.Tim in an out sleeping from pain from wreck,with his dad,an pain pills.One or the, other checked Joes room,didnt see him,thought he was on the porch,or another room in the house. Chelsea got in the bed,thinking Joe would go to bed when he got ready,an she went to sleep,after she got through..
When Joe got the chance,at the keys,to the van he rode out.
Tom in the mean time,got back from his children playing with Rons,he watched his children while Lindsy,was at school.Soon as she got in,an went to bed,he slipped out,may have even told her he was going to Mistys ,or Chelseas for a while..Remember dog barking was another night.
So either,Joe picked him up,in the vanIt had gas,from Chelsea putting it in it.So they took it,instead of the red truck.,so Tom could drive.Tom knowing all the wooded hang outs,all the dope houses.They went an bought a 20 dollar rock(crack),maybe a pill to snort. Hit it,chilled,rode some more,went an got another 20/ Dollar piece of crack,or more.Went an smoked. THAT DRUG,CAN REALLY CHANGE A PERSON,AN THEY BECOME VIOLENT WHEN THE NEXT HITS NOT THERE,
I have seen people become violent off it,in the country,out side a bar.one man, Even knocking anothers teeth out,because he thought someone took his last hit.The get parinoid.some can go through $100/500,they will smoke till they are broke,an it all night long
.Reason i say crack,Misty mentioned it about Tommy knowing the woods,an smoking crack in the woods,so no one would see him.We know Lindsys said he has a temper when high,an angry,an if Joes crazy as they say when high..So they run out of money,an thought about the gun,at Rons,he had showed off when drinking with them.
An they crused by to see if Misty was up.She wasnt,an they,somehow got in the house,as one poster said.Tom could have unlocked the door while there,thinking about stealing the gun then.slipped in,sneaking Mistys sleep,kisd asleep.But Haliegh heard them,an she got up.No gun,heres the child,all cracked up,Hmmm,crack makes people freaky sexualy
.Could Ron jr also crawled over Misty saw the couch bouncing as he said,on of them forcing Haliegh down,wrapping her in the blanket,taking her out the door,all the time holding her mouth.I hate to ay that but it is a crime going on because shes missing..
Haliegh knew them,mostly Tom,she coud have Just went with him/them.May have noticed her shirt was wet,she may have wet her self,again,an thats why she woke.THEY CHANGED HER SHIRT,OR TOOK HER WITH OUT ONE WHEN Tpulled it off going out the door.
The block already placed when the first went in the trailor,for a quick get away.
Or Misty could have woke,in a fog,though she head something,as she said,it was a blow up.An a argument went on about the gun,Joe snatching Haliegh,Tom at the back door they took off,Maybe she thought they would bring her back,an didnt by the time Ron got home.A she was scard that Ron would hurt her because she wasnt strong enough,or didnt stop them.Fear can parolize some,in their tracks.they cant even scream.She may have just blanked.
Maybe she did see them over her,but rolled over went back to sleep,half,awake,half asleep,thinking she was dreaming,the light my not have been on then. woke an though it was a dream,about others standing looking at her in bed.Im telling you
These Pills im on,will make you dream,or sleep so deep,that a gun could go off,an it wouldnt wake me.My own children have stood over me laughing about my mouth being wide open,an me snoring,an i never even knew it,until they told me the next day.So i can see her sleeping through someone creaping,an sneaking an easing a baby out the bed,even as close as they were.
Many baby when slipping them up easy ,shift sn go back to sleep,some dont wake when you pick them up an move them.How many ever got theres out the car,asleep when young,an you toted them inside laying them down,an they never woke up,i have with mine,when they were little.
Or she may have been so foggy from lack of decant sleep for days her mind wasnt as quick as it normaly would be,when getting good rest.
Im tired of waiting,Tired of PCSD, NOT SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC,THE SAME PUBLIC THEY ASKED TO HELP ONCE.
At least come out an clear up the bull,so we will know not to think those things any more.I know they are in a on going investigation,but dang.This is trying my NERVES.I want Haliegh found,as well as all of you do.The family needs closure,but thats easiers said to get,than getting it.Grief goes on for life,when a baby is missing/murdered,it never leaves, loved one hearts,or minds, dulls some after the yrs,but it always there easy to surfice. Haliegh you have many who love you!!!.
So sorry about the so long of a post.Ill try to tame my self,calm down lol,i just got carried away,Jan can zap it if she wants,ill understand. Sorry peeps
The timing of Tom’s decision to tell his attorney what happened leaves me a bit suspicious.
After Flora told Tom that Lisa said Lindsy wants a divorce, Tom asked Flora to call Lindsy (to have her call Tom’s attorney).
Lindsy’s interest in divorcing Tom may be the main reason Tom chose to talk (insteasd of no longer being afraid the children could beharmed, although that may have previously been his fear).
Keepit,
Wow, died in the trailer. With who present I wonder?
Bombshell (tomorrow)Night.
Revisit
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Misty`s mom says that Misty got a tattoo.
CUMMINGS: She did, but it ain`t got nothing to do with me, man.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She got your name.
CUMMINGS: Hey, I didn`t tell her to do that. You don`t see her name tattooed on me, do you?
(LAUGHTER)
CUMMINGS: Hey, man, with age comes wisdom. I`m not 18 years old no more. I might have done that when I was 18. The only two women that are tattooed on me is Haleigh and my mama, and that`s it.
Jan57, I enjoy reading your long posts, and think other people do, too!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:
Yes. I was kind of troubled about a statement that I`d heard from the jailhouse interview with Ronald. He mentioned something, when they were talking about kidnapping and the people or whatever, he said “those two.” And then he went on to something else.
GRACE: You know, I didn`t catch that, Juanita.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That kind of bothered me.
GRACE: I did not catch that. Yes, “those two.”
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He said, “those two.”
GRACE: What about it, Marlaina Schiavo? Do you recall that? Did we possibly miss that?
SCHIAVO: You know, Nancy, I did not catch him saying “those two.” The only thing that we heard him say was that he was willing to go to any lengths and even get the death penalty if he finds out who did it.
GRACE: You know what? To you, Juanita in Oregon. We will comb the transcripts tonight and find what you`re talking about.
Ronfan, of course we like you, we all have off days!!!!!
yep, jaba, and I don’t know how many more “bombshells” I can handle from NG, lol
If you go to her website, here’s what it says:
Breaking news! Tommy Croslin’s attorney drops a bombshell- he claims his client now says Haleigh Cummings died in the trailer. This shocking news comes as new jail tapes emerge between Tommy Croslin and his grandmother where Tommy points the finger at cousin Joe in Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance. We have all the latest breaking news and the brand new jail tapes only on Nancy Grace at 8 & 10 pm ET on HLN!
JUDGE CHARLES TINLIN, ST. JOHNS COUNTY JAIL: How old are you?
MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH CUMMINGS` BABYSITTER, LAST SEEN HALEIGH: Just turned 18.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They have her behind bars again and they do intend on questioning her again about Haleigh`s disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: When did you last see her?
CROSLIN: We just like, you know, it was 10:00. She was sleeping.
MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST; FMR. D.C. POLICE DET., FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: We know all along that Misty was the last one to see Haleigh — allegedly the last one to see her alive. She knows more than what she has been telling. So hopefully, hopefully, this will put a little bit more pressure on her to say, OK, what more do you know?
CROSLIN: I`m trying to do everything to find her, you know. Answer any questions I have to. I don`t know where she is.
BROOKS: What does Ronald know in this, too?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But they haven`t come to you and said, OK, Ron, let`s sit down and talk about what you heard from Misty or what you heard from anybody else outside now that you`re in jail we`ve got you here. You might as well tell us everything you know.
RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: Nope.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
NANCY GRACE, HOST: And we learn that, as part of her hours on video and audiotape, baby sitter turned stepmother Misty Croslin ratted out her own brother on felony charges.
Out to you, Art Harris. As part of her talking to investigators, she ratted out her own brother?
ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, http://WWW.ARTHARRIS.COM, JUST SPOKE WITH MISTY`S FAMILY:
Nancy, this just goes to show you that in Satsuma — or at least in this family — blood is thinner than water, and that Misty had no loyalty at all within a heartbeat of being incarcerated she told them about Tommy, that there were certain items in the home that she did not recognize and that Tommy had stolen.
Suddenly they match that up with a neighbor`s theft report. They search the house, they ask his wife, and voila, there are towels. There are also DVDs of “Harry Potter”. There`s a Game Boy, things that Tommy had allegedly stolen from next door. So she is not loyal in the least.
GRACE: But what did she feel she could gain, Art Harris, by ratting out the brother for stealing, what, some Captain Morgan and some dish washing detergent? Who cares?
HARRIS: Nancy, as the officers tell me in this case, you cannot ascribe rational thought processes to the people in this case. If she thought perhaps that she might get a decade or two lopped off of her drug trafficking sentence that could be looming, if convicted, perhaps that was racing through her mind.
But she is a very, very frightened about the drug case. That`s what her family told me tonight.
GRACE: Well, I guess she should be. I know she`s frightened. You know I understand that. But I don`t care. All I want to find out is where this girl is and what became of little Haleigh.
And I want to go to Marlaina. Why is stealing a bottle of Captain Morgan and some “Harry Potter” DVDs — how does that get you life behind bars?
You didn’t miss anything on JVM. She didn’t even play all the audio. We get more information here than on her or NG show. Well, unless you miss NG wrinkling her face all up like a pitbull.
Lindsy lost a lot of sympathy for me when she made the retard comment. It’s a word people just throw around and I know a lot of the time they don’t mean any real harm, but it really makes me sad when people say that. I have a grandson with Down Syndome and I it hurts me me to hear it. I wouldn’t want him to be any other way. He’s perfect the way he is. It takes longer for those children to learn, but they do. He has become quite the comedian, Lol. His Dad (my son)has always had the ability to make people laugh.
THANKS CATHY JO63
they just give us a headline and make us wait,geeee
for what Homespain,but You are welcome anyway!lol
CATHYJO63 BTW IN REGARD TO UR LONG POST- PROUD OF U, U DESERVE BETTER
rofl @ Storm,no,thats an image i see too often in nightmares,shewwww
awww Thank You HomeSpain!
I think we all do but it does get ya when people you trust and love just turn vicious out of the blue!Death brings out greed in people,you’d think it would be the opposite,ya know!
Ok, so two guys, coming down from crack go to steal rons gun for money and tyring to be really quiet, get caught by a little girl and they don’t say anything out loud that misty, an arm lengths away at one point, hears with all that comotion? Hmmm… Alittle hard to swallow but not impossible, which is key to all the players lies, what they say is not physically impossible, just not reasonable.
Karen i havent heard that,uncut version,do you have a link,guess they have finaly lost it,pressure,an drugs dont mix,thats for sure,man i hope they dont commit sucicide.,because i couldnt get a hold to them to day,to try an talk them through the Tommy in court day.If he went.
If i call,or tex,they always return my call,or tex.Nothing today.Not a word.I havent had the chance to catch them in that fix,i guess with everything they just have cracked.Shame,even at that age they could go to rehab,but them it coat a lot,unless its a methadone clinic,an thats just swapping on drug,for another,an matadone will flat out kill you,its works on the matabilisum.
Seem like there,probation,may have been better,as a rehab center,in house of course,then it would have been free to them.Lord,
Halieghs gone,an all are just in a mess,an seems to be getting worse.If they fail probation,they can go to jail,eat,dry out,an maybe live.I jsut pray for all three families.Some people crack mentaly under the pressure,an stress of cases like this.I lost my hair in patches when we went through it,it grew back,later on.
Hope they get their lives on track,before they die,first an formost that Halieghs found,an who ever harmed her goes down for it,wont bring her back,but its all the justice the law will allow.
Storm,we have alot in common,I hate the word “harelip” people use it for jokes and such and my daughter was born with a cleft lip and palate but to this day you’d never know unless i told you,She has always been self conscious of it but to me,she was beautiful from the first minute i ever saw her…!
Stormgarndner @ 10:14, perfect just the way he is – yes!
If she gets work as an LPN, I hope she doesn’t insult patients!
WHY LIE 9:48 POST EXCELLENT POST. WELL MADE POINTS. IF TOMMY IS SO AFRAID YOU’D THINK THAT HE AND RON WOULD HAVE JUST SLIPPED JO SOME PILLS, KNOCKED HIM OUT AND JUST FED JO TO THE CROCS AND NO MORE PROBLEM FOR HIS FAMILY.
Jason,inursing would have been the last thing to go into in that family,could be a reason behind it,she’s self serving to me,i use to think she was a good person who got stuck in a rut,but her true colors are shining thru!
roflHomeSpain,exccellent,excellent!!! couldn’t even think harder than him!
I don’t think they will Jan but they may feel like they want too,screaming out for help,ya know! the world is against them and its not even what they did,sure they could have raised better kids,but so could alot of ppl ya know!
I feel bad for em’more than ever! For a long time,I didn’t but imagine being in their shoes right this moment!
Jason said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Jan57, I enjoy reading your long posts, and think other people do, too!
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Jan57 I enjoy your posts also!
If they’d seen this day years ago i am sure they’d have done things different! Sad!
I know i do Hope,i love reading all of em’
I know i use 40 pages to write a 2 page letter sometimes,lol it takes me forever to splain my point,and Jason used to tell ME and everyone what i meant by my own posts cuz i couldn’t rofl
WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
vaquera, the same reason they charged Casey with a lesser crime until they had all they needed to charge her with murder.
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but Casey wasn’t in jail and Tommy/Misty are 🙂
CATHYJO I DO UNDERSTAND VERY WELL UNFORTUNATELY HOW ILLNESS, DEATH BRINGS OUT THE PEOPLE INTO OPPORTUNISTIC CREATURES OF THE DARK.
CathyJo
Thank you for trying to get the link. I read the transcript on JVM’s website.
CathyJo @ 10:31, yes – if they could have seen it in advance, they wouldn’t have let it happen.
@ 10:33, I didn’t set out to, just understood what you were saying – GOOD to know it was OK with you, as the alternative might be that you thought I was putting words in your mouth – LOL!
Health care professionals actually commit a fair percentage of serial killings, and other crimes, especially drug theft and drug usage.
Scary thought, homespain, but I understand that’s true.
In the phone call between Tommy and his Granny….Granny says that Hank has been locked up for trying to kill himself….wth….and then she says that the guy that stole the phone from Hank got stopped by the cops and the phone was tapped and now Hank has the phone back..boy, these people are messed up!
Cathy, my guess is that she is a dumb ass and doesn’t know any better.
I was just trying to say that these kids have been thru so many major changes in their young lives that I don’t see how it would be in their best interest to suddenly just not see the people you know and love. That’s all they know. I would try and handle it in a manner that would be less traumatic for my kids if at all possible. Not saying it would be easy. I think I would try and soften the blow for them as much as I possibly could and not do anything else so abruptly. They’ve already lost Haleigh and for the most part lost their Father. Nothing is normal for them anymore, and their normal and what we would consider normal are as different as night and day.
Jan 57:
You can find the unedited link of Tommy’s and Flora’s call on Vanquera’s 6:03p.m. post. It is quite a bit different than the edited one.
vaquera, very true. I just want Tommy to be charged with every single thing possible. If spitting on the sidewalk will get him added time then I want to see him charged if he spits.
Cathyjo63, I am not exactly sure what was going on. It just sounded very strange. At first I was thinking that tc was going to add more/ or finish his sentence. But I never even thought about the redacted idea. That might be why things sounded incomplete and gh went from speaking in a normal tone to a more excited tone all in a matter of a second. Thanks for the idea. I never thought of it that way. Also, maybe he was afraid of RC because they were probably all three involved (RC,TC, MC). He knew if he talked before he absolutely needed to (to save his own butt), then he would be implicating his sister ( for whom he might be somewhat loyal to). He would be implicating RC (for whom he might have thought was crazy enough to go after his family, not to mention he would be snitching on his sisters man). And lastly, he would be implicating himself ( for helping do away with a crime scene). Plus if you think about how deep this could really go, I am willing to bet that half of the family knows the truth and has been hiding it from LE. So they could ALL be in some big trouble. So yea, I could see him fearing for his families life. But I don’t think it is from JO. He could easily locate TC’s family if he wants. Its not like they are in a witness protection program or something. When they were all out of jail, no one would talk because they knew they would all go down. And if one decided to talk, the rest would probably do away with them. But now that they are all behind bars and facing BIG time, they have nothing to lose by trying to save themselves. And nobody gets hurt on the outside because all of the bad guys are on the inside. It’s just a thought. What do ya think?
I just don’t understand Ron’s plea deal. Can anyone help me here. What is it that he could be providing? Is it something on the drug charge, or something about Haleigh? Does anyone know. If it’s Haleigh how could he know anything? If he did why wouldn’t he have shared it a lot sooner. Sorry for my naivete.
I like jan’s posts..
on a sidenote, anyone remember hank’s claim that ron poisoned him? Gave him a bad pill?..
could haleigh have gotten hold of one of those?
That would explain the subterfuge..instead of accidently ingesting a real pill it was a murder pill (hot shot)..the resulting analysis of haleigh’s autopsy would have been proof of the attempted poisoning of hank..therefore hide the proof (haleigh’s body).
just food for thought, but misty played no part either way. She is completly and absolutely innocent of any wrong doing what so ever.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer is BS!
Your enemy is exactly that. If your enemy is close to you then your enemy will find out general information you don’t want your enemy to know. Things like where you live, work, regular routine, etc. They also find out your family members routines where they live,work, etc. Your enemy is to know they are that and if they come any where near your life and or any part of it then they will be eliminated, screw this befriending them crap. JMHO
All is speculation right now. What I know for sure is that Misty Croslin has no history of abuse on children. There are no UTube tapes of her performing wierd acts of violence, no diaries of wishing bad, no talks with friends suggesting she wants to know what it is like to see someone die. There is no history of her acting violenting in any way on any one. The party weekend before was just that and whom did she hurt? herself. Like normal in her life all was fine with her in regards to being with children. She was loved and adored by children and even at 730pm that night she was fine. She helped load in clothes was feeding the kids and had them outside. Then in some drastic turn at 945pmish a child in her care is killed but only when these two men arrive. What baffles me is that LE have made it all about Misty when never has any thing close to violence happened to anyone around her only this night and only when these men arrive. Two men who have a history of violence and violence on her. LE has a long way to go to help a Prosecutor explain to a Jury how it is all her and her responsibility and Tommy is thier good guy.Florida LE is under pressure as result of thier extreme mistakes in the Jessica Lundsford case the last thing they want is another case of others getting away and not charged. Or another case of them missing the boat in early periods of the investigation. Careers are at stake here morgages, college, bonding kids out, and legal representation for them etc. If they don’t have the evidence against Tommy and or Joe then thier case and public statements will manipulate as it has to date all about Misty. If they have the evidence against one or both of the others then it will play out different. I don’t trust them for a second. JMHO
Does anyone else think that all of this has been put out there for RC to hear? I guess what I am trying to say is that ToC attorney want RC to think that ToC has implicated JO and not RC.
I may be way of here, but something is just not right. IMO
Guess my other post is in moderating since it had a link.
Lindsy was at court today. I saw her in a video in the courtroom and standing outside with Werter..I was like WTF..
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Mistys-cousin-talks-about-what-happened-to-Haleigh/SQ_LV5U1YkO49cFp51S_7w.cspx
Anyone know who else might have had keys to the Haleigh Cummings residence? Just occurred to me that someone could have had access to the house if extra keys were handed out to family, or maybe some one had a key made clandestinely.
This case has turned into pure insanity. Who’s on first, what’s on second. It’s like everyone is guilty but no one is. I don’t think we’re any further than we were from day one of knowing what happened to Haleigh. The only thing we’ve really figured out is nothing anyone says or does makes any sense.
Ronfan:
That is what I have been thinking, it is not just JO that RC, ToC and MC is scared of. It is his connections in the drug world. LE was very interested in him. They got hin before he even got home. He said they took all the clothes that he had and confiscated his girlfriend’s car.
RC didn’t want to follow JO back into his drug territory. He said on that tape Cobra made that he was scared of JO.
The sheriff said they questioned him 3 times, and then he lawyered up. They can’t force him to talk. They can arrest him when they have enough evidence to convict him.
Another officer said, during that search that Joe was considered a POI, then he said at least they think he has information. I thought he deliberately softened what he said, because they are probably watching JO like a hawk. I believe JO will be arrested in this, before it is over. I don’t know what part he will play, but I think they will get him.
maryd said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
I just don’t understand Ron’s plea deal. Can anyone help me here. What is it that he could be providing? Is it something on the drug charge, or something about Haleigh? Does anyone know. If it’s Haleigh how could he know anything? If he did why wouldn’t he have shared it a lot sooner. Sorry for my naivete.
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Maybe he gave up other drug players
sorry guys,had an unbelievable moment here,ok now tho
stormgardner said,in May 13th, 2010 at 11:01 pm Cathy, my guess is that she is a dumb ass and doesn’t know any better.
I was just trying to say that these kids have been thru so many major changes in their young lives that I don’t see how it would be in their best interest to suddenly just not see the people you know and love. That’s all they know. I would try and handle it in a manner that would be less traumatic for my kids if at all possible. Not saying it would be easy. I think I would try and soften the blow for them as much as I possibly could and not do anything else so abruptly. They’ve already lost Haleigh and for the most part lost their Father. Nothing is normal for them anymore, and their normal and what we would consider normal are as different as night and day.
I know exactly what you meant!
Thank you Hope. I really don’t understand plea bargains very well.
LoL No Jason,i thought you were a big help is what I thought,lol grateful for ya! lol
it aint everybody who can understand CathyJoish!LoL
Nor do I mary!
maryd said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Thank you Hope. I really don’t understand plea bargains very well.
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I don’t either I was just guessing. lol
bbs,gootta a small prob!
CathyJ,
Hope all’s well, you’re stuttering!
Hope,
That was funny.
Everyone else please forgive me for momentary off topic!
I don’t know but i am having trouble being as angry at ToC, RC and Misty as others seem. I really need some proof of involvement or harm to Haleigh. Other than that their all drug addicts yes and that to me is just sad. My sorrow is towards all the children involved.
CathyJO see email
Mine too Mary!!
OJ Actually, I had forgotten about the pill RC gave HC. Even bad enough for HC to call the cops.
k Treece
brb Mary,I am not being rude,k
Mary, you are right it is so sad for the children. MY heart just breaks for Junior especially. He has had so many losses and changes this past year.
treece said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Mary, you are right it is so sad for the children. MY heart just breaks for Junior especially. He has had so many losses and changes this past year.
True Treece and if Crystal is still involved with drugs his being there is of no solace either. Just losing your big sister in itself is so traumatic. He is so young how could he possibly understand all of this, losing his sister, his father, even Misty if he cared for her. Heartbreaking.
This case is wearing us all out. We’re dealing with drug abusers. They couldn’t tell the truth if you hit them with a ball bat over and over again. A few months in jail is not going to change that. They might have brain cell damage from all the drugs. We need to educate ourselves in dealing with drug abusers. These players minds are so messed up I don’t know if the truth will ever come out. I pray one day we will know the truth for Haleigh’s sake.
I wonder if TN and GMS will have some type of visitation with Junior. As a grandmother I couldn’t imagine not being able to see my grandkids.
Cat Dixon @11.10 Very good possibility!
Hope said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
OJ Actually, I had forgotten about the pill RC gave HC. Even bad enough for HC to call the cops.
I don’t remember hearing about this. Can you fill me in a little. Why would RC want to poison him? When and where did it happen… and all that good stuff? Thanks in advance.
Maryd:
I am holding off in believing that Tommy actually killed Haleigh. I am not sure what happened, exactly. If he was there or he helped get rid of Haleigh’s body, he is still in a lot of trouble. Whatever happened, in that phone call to Flo, he was not telling Flo much. He just said yeah, that’s it, when she said it’s Joe. I think there is alot more than that to this story. I think Tommy knows, his involvement would cost him his marriage, because he said, “Tell Lyndsy to come and see me sometime.” It was different. He knew that Lyndsy didn’t know everything, and she would divorce him, when she found out. IMO
The sheriff spoke of several POI’s right after the search.
Unless they charge her, and even if they do, misty is innocent until proven guilty or pleads guilty.
Drug charges, long sentence awaiting.
Haleigh case? Nothing ‘firm’ at all but her lies which don’t make her guilty of harming anyone.
Let’s be real.
Jaba,there were other things,i said may happen ,also,its just thinking out loud. Tom seems to be able to go in old persons home,an steal agun,checks with the peron there.But stealing a child wouldnt be quit so easy.High on top of it,heck they may have been sober when this happened,who knows.
In Think Mark Klass an his wife were sleep when somone came in an took his child,an they hadnt just come off a weekend party. Pills,Pot that alone,,will make a person sleep,way deeper than a normal sleeper.Just never know.Roxys,an Oxys make people nod out any way.
People have had some come in an rob them while they are asleep.Not saying it happen that way,i was just thinking aloud,thiefs,know how to sneak,an creap,in the night.
I do pray this is over soon,what a mess.One precious child comes up missing,an a town is exposed,families exposed,even accused drug cops exposed,of course,they are on desk duty.a INVESTIGATION,THAT WE DONT KNOW IF THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING,OR LEARNING AS THEY GO.
Im sure God wants the whole town to wake up,an clean it up!!! Law included.Sin brings judgment on a people,an these people,They are all being exposed,an wonder how many havent been expsed yet im sure theres more there,lies,an hidden things always get exposed,come to the light. Genarations of dealers,or users,Pimps,working girls,RSO ,even a sherriff son,busted. Moms dads,grandparent Law.There seems to be much trouble,an wickedness in that little Florida town!!! trouble in all these peoples lives.
All i know is that they may need to all repent,an turn from their wicked ways.As he would require me to do to,if living like that,of course im not sinless either,as he says we all have sinned an fallen short.,I do repent,an try to change,AS I PRAY THESE PEOPLE WILL..
First I read today, that Ron is going to plea out to 3 of his five charges and do 45 years, but the more I looked around it sounds like a 15 to 30 year sentence and he will testify against the “others.” He will not be sentenced until the other cases are resolved, because he may be needed at a trial.
Tommy on the other hand is facing 3 years for his drug charge and his attorney is going to argue for a reduction of that based on his recent cooperation. His Grand Theft trial comes up in June.
I will say one thing, when Tommy said it was bs that Haleigh got hold of a pill and died, he was stupid or knew LE was going to get the one who really killed her. That would have been a better out for him and Misty. It would go easier on them, if it was an accidental death. I thought that was a very telling remark.
Karon, I thought Tommy was too quick on denying it was an accidental overdose. The penalty for causing ones death with illegally obtained prescription drugs is up there and if they knew that it would have freaked them out and they would have disposed of the body.
I swear if they would give us all these jokers phone records, land lines and cells, we could figure this out for them. And quickly.
Random Thoughts:
Three years may not include all the B&E’s and gun theft charges. Or does it? I heard Tommy’s attorney on NG saying 3 yrs on drug charges, and another charge that he didn’t have the word on yet.
When did Hank Sr. try to knife himself and end up in jail for twelve hours? Was that recent?
Tommy has a grand theft charge and he told his wife in one of his phone calls that all his other charges were being dropped to misdemeanors. Misdemeanors are slaps on the wrist usually because they need the jail/prison space for the felony cases.
I’ll go look and see what the sentence is for GT.
Did any of you notice Ron standing there with his attorney whispering and smirking. He is pulling a fast one on somebody. I wonder if he is going to testify against Misty and Tommy, alright, but not on the drug charges. I wonder if they don’t want it coming out, yet. I wonder if he is testifying against them in the Haleigh case. He may let Misty think He is staying loyal to her, until it is too late for her to make a deal.
Random Thoughts:
Thanks I didn’t catch that.
I have truly enjoyed being a part of this tonight,not a ripple on the water.It nice blogging like this.I read each post,an all have good points,Thoughts,an theorys.We all want the same thing Haliegh,an Justice for her.
I pray its none of these people who did this to Haliegh,an if so that it was just a accident,paniced cover up,an not cold blooded murder.Let the truth come out,an this special little girl,i hope she is found.A/OR/D just found.
Good night every one.
Random Thoughts said,
in May 14th, 2010 at 12:26 am
When did Hank Sr. try to knife himself and end up in jail for twelve hours? Was that recent?
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Per First Coast News the audio we heard today was from April 11, 2010 – First Coast News redacted this part of the conversation, but Vaquera has it posted above at 6:03 p.m. with this info. regarding Sr.
Random Thoughts:
It was right before the river search. Flora and Tommy are talking about it on the unedited version of Tommy’s call to Flora from jail. You can find that link above on Vanquera’s 6:03p.m. comment. He was drugged up and decided he was going to kill himself with a knife. Someone took it away from him, and they put him in jail for 12 hours to keep him from killing himself. That was Flora’s story.
I think the gun he stole was valued at 300 bucks which would make it a 3rd degree felony. I can’t find how many years it carries in Florida but here in Ohio that level of felony is usually 1-3 years.
I know someone who had this charge and got probation, but again this is in Ohio and Florida has much stiffer penalties.
I think it is interesting to note the parents of the one talking are the ones attempting suicide.
It is as if they know more and they know more will be happening bad, so bad they would rather die.
So what could that be? Could it be they know their children will be facing some bad times, or now that TC has been talking, maybe they know the “story” too, as does lc, by her own admission, which in entirety could implicate them all?
Ron could be trying to plea bargain this by testifying against them and getting immunity on the murder case.
Good Night Jan57 – My thoughts exactly
Thank you, going to listen to the unredacted version.
Why did they redact it I wonder?
So hank goes to the family pharmacy for prescrption painkillers and then is pissed about getting a bad pill? What an idiot. Why not go the doctor and pharmacist. That way you can get the safe pills you need. That’s why you can sell just whatever pill you say it might be to people. If you get a bad drug in an illegal way, that’s on you, period.
I was wondering during the other tapes released Tommy says the police want him to go along with the story that Misty was saying. He states that he wouldn’t because he says he doesn’t know that Joe was there and would rather stay in jail than lie. So was it a Jesus moment or lie for a reduction in sentencing? Also was this tape recorded from jail or was it recorded on Floras end. There is a long version and short version of it . Anybody know why?
The being all afraid of Joe just doesn’t make sense.
What kind of person is Joe that every single person from his Granny down calls him “crazy.”
To get a title like that you have a past.Lol
imo they are all trying to lessen their guilt, plain and simple, like most criminals do when they confess.
Hope, thank you for clearing that up. I missed it somewhere in the mix.
Could it be a plan from all the players for each and everyone to have “reasonable doubt”? I don’t think that most of them would have thought of this but maybe one. imo
YW Cat Dixon
Random Thoughts,
I’m curious about that too, calling Joe crazy. I mean how much crazier can he be from the normal crazy their surrounded by? Was wondering “again” I’m always wondering, if he could have murdered people in the past that they may know about. There has to be some reason for them to think he’s crazy…or maybe not.
Random Thoughts:
Ronfan says JO is a schizophrenic and an addict. He, also, refuses to take medication for his schizophrenia. I knew that Flora said he had spent some time in a mental hospital, but I didn’t know why.
Karri said,in May 13th, 2010 at 1:17 pm I think that the statment analysis guy should get a copy of this phone call, and analyse it! It would be helpful.JMO
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That occurred to me too, when someone else mentioned Tommy’s use of the word “story” in the phone call. However, I will say, my gut response when I heard the call was close to belief.
That’s what I was thinking too Mary!
Has he done something in his past that some of these people have witnessed?
Wish we had a little more info about Joe. How old is he anyway? Anyone know.
Tommy made one comment to Hank, Sr., I think it was, that JO was a little weirded out that day. He said that didn’t mean he had murdered someone. Of course, Tommy knew that he would get drawn into telling his part in all of this, if he told on JO. IMO
I still don’t know that Tommy had a part in the killing of little Haleigh. I think he may have been a part of getting rid of her body to help Misty.
I think JO is about 20, and Flora said he had an arrest for stealing a car, but I think he had a lot of juvenile offences. He is something else from the way Flora describes him, very difficult.
Is he holding a gun in his myspace page? He last logged in on 12/18/08. Should I be afraid to write about him? lol
Maryd:
I just checked, and he is 20 yrs. old.
Random Thoughts:
You are right that Tommy did deny that pill comment real fast. This whole case has centered around drugs.
Maryd:
He probably won’t be able to find everyone that has commented about him.
It is kind of odd that the time he visits something horrible happens. I’d like to see if he has other pics on Myspace but I signed up long ago and don’t remember my user info.
I find this so odd that more reports aren’t out about Tommy in court, today. It has hardly been mentioned. Maybe, the news stations thought we would be mostly interested in what happened in Ron’s case.
Cobra said Misty said she was scared of JO, but it was Misty that he was hanging out with while he was there.
Who’s payin for his lawyer now? Another pro bono.
Karon
Well, in that life being scared of someone might not be enough to keep away from them. After all he may have had access to drugs.
Maryd:
Yes drugs come first, and the lawyer has to be pro bono. Tommy can’t afford snacks and phone charges.
Goodnite, everybody. I wonder what we might see, next. It has been a long haul. I remember thinking when this case started, that Misty wasn’t as tough as Casey Anthony. I thought she will break and talk, real quick. Oh brother, did I judge her wrong. There seems to be many sides to Misty and Tommy, both.
I have never commented before, but after reading I wanted to add something.
Ronfan stated that timmy and chelsey are involved and ITA.
I have no idea who did what,when or why, but here a couple of thoughts.
Most everyone agrees that Misty and Tommy are involved in some part of this; while I agree, it seems like a natural conclusion to draw is that Timmy was involved too. It appearss that within their family dynamic that timmy is the one who gets called when they screw up or need help- one of them called Timmy- he has first hand knowledge of what happened that night even if he was just delegating- he was there.
I read above that Chelsey and Lindsey are the ones who called LE about the van and JO- why did they do that? Not just to implicate JO, not to protect Misty, they did it to protect their husbands- they assumed that LE would believe the “alabi” they provided for Tommy and Timmy, leaving JO as the only one with access, they did not care who or how they just wanted to cover their husbands behinds.
The fact that Timmy and Chelsey unexpected moved way out of stated within weeks(?) of a missing child that their family is clearly connected with seems painfully obvious that they were involved in some capacity- if they only had info why move?
Timmy is the only croslin that is actually sober, he is the oldest in a family with addicted parents, confused family roles, blurred family boundaries, & dysfunctional loyalties….there is nothing that goes on in that family without Timmy being involved- likely, he “raised” tommy and Misty when they were younger he woud have been called that night at the least to askhim what to do- he may have come up with the whole plan to dispose of the body.
Anyway, I have wondered why no one else really mentions Timmy and Chelsey nor have LE looked at them too much.
He would be the one to “lean on”- he will talk-he is not an addict, not involved with drugs, Ron, or the dysfunctional group of people that have passed through this case file. The fact that he up and moved the way he did demonstrates that his loyalties are to himself, chelsey and trying to make a better life for himself.
I always enjoy reading here and listening on Sundays- I would love to hear a discussion about Timmy’s connection to this case 🙂
I think timmy knew, ‘out of sight out mind’…was his best play. He wasn’t dragged into the drug sting and while he may know what happened, he’s kept his own mouth pretty quiet. Can’t say the same for the wives.
Just-ice:
I don’t know if Timmy uses drugs, or not. The family does lean on Timmy alot, but Hank, Sr keeps saying Tommy was the one that he thought would really make something of himself. The drugs seemed to have changed him quite a bit. Timmy di have Misty for awhile living with him and Chelsea.
Yes, I think Timmy and Chelsea and Lyndsy knows what happened.
In one jailhouse tape Lyndsy told Tommy that she had thrown away his and Timmy’s workboots. What would she be doing throwing away Timmy’s workboots? Why would she have Timmy’s workboots? Tommy said, “What did you do that for, they were almost new?” Then he said, ” I can just buy some new ones.” I thought, a woman doesn’t just throw away a pair of good, almost new workboots. The man would be furious. Is she trying to get rid of some evidence that may have been on the boots? Why didn’t he object more? Why wasn’t he mad? Why Timmy’s boots, too? I think Tommy figured out real fast, why she would have thrown away those boots. I don’t think she, actually, threw away Timmy’s boots, but she may have been letting him know that Chelsea had thrown them away.Was Timmy at the river that night. too?
I don’t think Lyndsy knew everything, but she knew part of the story. When she found out the whole story, she filed for divorce. IMO.
I think Chelsea has known more from the beginning than Lyndsy did. That’s just my opinion.
I think we don’t mention Timmy and Chelsea because they have been out of the Satsuma area and very quiet. I don’t think I have even seen a picture of Timmy, and I have seen Chelsea on T.V. several times. I didn’t hear Timmy’s voice until the audios phone calls from the jail began. There have been a few of those calls released that I have heard to Misty and Tommy.
I believe Chelsea has changed he story a couple of times about what time they went to bed and the last time Jo was seen. I, also, know that Misty would confide in Chelsea, before she would anyone else.
Karon said,in May 14th, 2010 at 1:49 am I find this so odd that more reports aren’t out about Tommy in court, today. It has hardly been mentioned. Maybe, the news stations thought we would be mostly interested in what happened in Ron’s case.
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Not much, but here’s a link. Apparently, Lindsy was present.
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/05/14/news/news01.txt
Is it at all possible that Tommy means Joe “can’t get to me” (Tommy) and “can’t get to them” (Misty and Ron) since they’re in jail
–and “I don’t want my kids to get hurt” means ‘I don’t want to be in jail for the rest of their lives/don’t want them to think Daddy’s a bad guy/don’t want them to be afraid of Daddy? Just a possibility I thought of.
tobias said,in May 13th, 2010 at 3:02 pm His date of departure was that day way in advance and he had a ride out with a friend, if he didnt leave then he would have to come up with extra money to take a bus or find someone to take him clear to Tenn. Would you stay after being blamed for stealing a gun earlier and you didnt? and now a kid is gone, you know darned well he knew they would eventually blame that on him too. jmo
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Tobias, I think this is a reasonable point, but I also think that *if* Joe really decided to hit Ron’s house/guns/family, he could have decided strategically to do it the night before he was getting out of Dodge. Just a thought.
Hey guys & Gals! I wanted to stop by and see you guys.
ROn’s plea deal is on hold until after Misty & Tommy either plead out or go to trial. SInce ROn’s lawyer feels it will all be wrpped up within the next 2 weeks, I feel that means Misty & Tommy are expected to make a plea bargain or NoLo within that timeframe. Now if T & M go to trial, ROn may testify and get credit for it. If they don’t go to trial he gets NO CREDIT and will besentenced accordingly IIRC.
THe longest version of the Flora/TOmmy call is 14 minutes. We already know that the calls are usually 30 minutes long prior to redaction, so that leaves almost 1/2 the time as cut out. IMO the redacted part is the only really important part. Many people have pointed out that when FLora says”Let me tell you what I heard….” TOmmy replies with “Right”….then after she finishes he calls BS! Many people believe this is a redacted part. They think that it is at this point that both Tommy & GH remember that the call is recorded and agree to refer to the perp as JO….then that part was redacted leaving the listener with the impression they are discussing JO. I think it’s very possible.
I find it very interesting that Misty’s call was not released today as well. I also find it unrealistic that T & M would be that afraid of someone who lived 100s of miles away. IMO Tommy could break JO like a toothpick ESPECIALLY if he threatened his kids & wife. Gun or not. All they had to do was wait until JO drove away, alert LE, take them to Haleigh’s remains and JO would have been toast right then and there if he was really to blame. No need to be afraid of a crazy person who is behind bars…..on that not what other “crazy person” is behind bars that he no longer would have to fear?
Tobias:
I so vividly remember our conversation that day! I knew we were really onto something! We were pegging them COLD! I knew that day after the HUGE fuss that disrupted everything that we were right! It was too important to derail that conversation. We were talking about
Misty’s ability to lie to LE
Tommy & JO behind the hiding of Haleigh’s remains
Haleigh put into the river/gator infested area
gator facts and weather patterns for the date of Haleigh’s disappearance both yr previous and at time of her disappearance
Van facts and how it might have been used….etc
Link to Forensic FOrum 1 for your theory post..
http://forensicsforum1.freeforums.org/portal.php
Here’s the link to the BNN article where TObias and I were having that discusssion.
http://www.bloggernews.net/123323
Start Here:
tobias said,in December 21st, 2009 at 1:53 pm
THe derailing happened on the Dec 30 2009 article. We started to pick it back up and add to it the possibility that MIsty had previously gotten away with lying to LE.
Fields speaks out ~ no plea in the works for Misty? Misty sticking to her story, not surprized with Ronald & Tommy trying to cop a plea.
Quote:
Cummings seeks plea, Misty not surprized and has no new info for LE
If deal goes through, Cummings will testify against Misty Croslin and Hank Jr.
Posted: May 14, 2010
“Snip” http://staugustine.com/news/local-ne…ngs-seeks-plea
Ronald Cummings next court appearance set July 19, 2010.
Hank Jr. (Tommy) next court appearance set June 21, 2010.
Misty Croslin’s next court appearance set June 6, 2010.
Misty, Ronald and Chelsea started the Joe did it defense when Haleigh first went missing.
LE spoke with Joe then and recently for 45min. Compared to the 14 hrs they questioned Chelsea in MA.
Hollars is repeating what she hears from Misty and the rest of the players, that doesn’t mean Tommy told LE the same stories Misty has and is sticking to.
From the call made on April 11 from Tommy Grandma starts off with the Joe did it…the same story Misty told. Tommy says no, but, then yeah. He goes along with Grandma and at the same time begs for her to call Lindsey so that Lindsey can contact his attorney. He also says Lindsey know the real story. I now wonder if her trip to MA was to see if she found the gun or to get information out of Timmy and Chelsea. I know they all lie, but for some reason I do believe Tommy is afraid for his family…just not afraid of Joe. Afraid of Ronald. JMO
Snip” http://www.gainesville.com/article/2…9677?p=2&tc=pg
Hollars asks, “Is it the story Misty is saying — Joe?” Croslin replies, “Yeah, that’s it.”
However, no other details about Haleigh were given.
The conversation starts with Croslin asking that his wife, Lindsy , get in contact with Werter.
“I need her to get my lawyer down here. It’s very important. I got to do something that should have been done already,” Tommy Croslin said. “I’m just scared. I don’t want no one hurting my kids. He’s got to pay. He’s got to pay for it.”
As for Tommy, I will say it over and over. That call to Grandma was not the same story of what Tommy told LE IMO. Grandma was the one who started out with..Is it the story Misty is saying — Joe?” Tommy says No first, then “but”, then yeah. That tells alot IMO. I feel Tommy is afraid for his family, but not of Joe. Of Ron…who is the one with a violent background? Who is the one that threated to kill, put a gun to Misty, and put a dead rat in Tommy’s mail box? IMO, Tommy is afraid of Ronald…not Joe. JMO
Hi HGM:
I have been missing you. There is alot to discuss going on right, now. I think you are right that Tommy wasn’t saying the name or names that he was going to tell LE. At least, I don’t think JO is the only name. I don’t think he wanted to give too much info over the phone, and he didn’t trust Flo to keep it quiet.
I just read on the Palatka Fla. news site about Tommy’s day in court. Very interesting that Lindsy, Hank and Lisa were there to support him. He goes back to court June 3 on the drug charge and later in June for the theft charge.
ThugCopsforChrist-4:24am> I beieve thats What Tommy ment also. Simple as that. Tommy knows he is being recorded,but he lets her know,as much as he can,with out comming out an explaining,every little detail.A few time,he almost did,an caught his self.I dont see him going that far.With out some truth there.
Becaue he,could be looking at,aiding,an/or abaiding a murder/Or another charge,if he was held at gun point.State could also help Tom out for comming forward.I doupt it,because it took to long.Thatsa long term prison sentence,with Haliegh being under 12,an if it was a violent death.I saw Judge Perry give a man life,because he was a part of a murder,didnt kill,but didnt come forward,while in jail.One woman got that charge,an got 40 flat yrs/means no parole,an she wasnt aiding a child murder.
They just said the man who served 5 yrs,for harming a child,an got out an murdered the 2 teen,hes only looking at 2 LWOP sentence.WHAT?
Keran,Timmy has already served time before,an im sure hes avioding any trouble he can,so he wont go back.I dont think hes involved,i think he was home,in bed.He had been in the same car,when the wreck happened,with his dad.An if they had to put pins in Hanks leg,it had to be a bad wreck.Timmy was hurting to.I do think Misty,may have talked to them about it.How much i dont know.Untill the letter.
About the boots,she may have been cleaning the place out,where she use to live,or found them in some old boxes,packed up,from her move.Doupted they would be needing them.Tommys about new ,may be Lindsys old.Or she could have been testing him,to see if he wore them that night,or just what he would say about them on recorded call/video.i think that was on the same call where she told Tommy investigators came by,asking about something yellow,an said His parent couldnt see the children. Or investigators wanted them,for a soil check.
So very many things to speculation a
I know one thingg Halieghs still missing,as we have got no word from S. Hardy,an no arrest have been made.I think its sorry on PCSD, to release tapes,an not come out an give us a update.
Ment to say speculate on.
I really can’t see Ron having anything to do with any part of Haleigh missing even thought about a week ago I said he did. I do believe he is manipulative. That smile on his face in the photo on the Jacksonville website says he knows he’s getting the better deal of all of this. He knows he isn’t going to prison for as long as T and M. I’m sure he’s had some time to grieve, but still, your little girl is gone, and you won’t see your son grow up. If he gets 15 years his son will be almost 20 years old when he gets out. I guess you can’t be depressed, and at this point you just have to roll with the punches, but I would be devastated regardless of the lesser sentence. Maybe he just knows the camera’s are on him and he needs for everyone to know that you can’t bring him down. He’s tough. Right now, there’s just no other player that I can see right now, but JO. I know everyone does not agree with that, but that’s my opinion of all of this.
You have to remember that TC is in one cell, and MC is in another. TC knows MC is talking but he doesn’t know what she has said. I’m sure at this point if TC wants to get his plea deal in he realized he better start talking too. It would have been impossible for the them to both claim it was JO at the same time if there wasn’t some truth to it.
Jan 57 do you know what Timmy served time for? He said he had been in federal Prison when he was talking to Tommy on one of the tapes.
Tommy and Lindsy don’t have any daughters, do they? I had always thought that because Tommy had children, he wouldn’t harm a child, but if he doesn’t have a daughter, he wouldn’t be reminded of the horror of what he was doing (or did, if he did anything at all). (I do know that child abusers most often have their own kids while they still harm other children.) Nevertheless, if he and Joe were smoking crack that night, all bets are off. I HOPE he didn’t kill her. Lindsy seems to feel betrayed by SOMETHING and I thought she kinda knew all along what had transpired, so…it must be pretty bad.
As far as Timmy and Chelsea go, I remember Misty saying Joe was so wasted, it was “amazing that he could drive the van AT ALL.” In my opinion, TIMMY, who was medicated from his and Hank Sr’s car accident, got the call and was the one who peeled out of his OWN driveway like a bat out of hell to help after the fact. Not Joe. Hence their relocation to another state altogether, waaay up the Eastern coast. Out of state, out of mind.
In another vein, maybe scrawny lil’ Joe is protected by Big, Bad Wolves, aka higher uppers, in a drug ring. THAT could cause fear of repercussions. Families ARE murdered by ruthless dealers who cannot afford to leave any stone unturned. Retribution might not be swift but it is sure to be done at some point. (Even years later, just for pure revenge~so that could explain Tommy’s reticence.)
But doesn’t this always seem to come back to RONALD? Could HE be the one protected by peeps more powerful than he is? WHY would he let Joe go unpunished? STILL MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL. When I turned on Tru TV yesterday, all I saw was a brief head shot of Ronald, and very little was said afterwards by the panel to inform us as what happened in court that day. I’ll have to keep reading backwards from the bottom up to see what I might have missed as far as what other bloggers might have found out.
I agree with the posters who feel that Nanny filled in the blanks instead of letting Tommy finish his statement as to who did what, when. I had not heard before that Joe was hospitalized for a schizoid episode. Sure seems to point the finger back at Joe again. But it certainly could have been “Ron” they were talking about when they said it was “Joe.” This way they could talk a little more freely in their secret Croslin Code.
Thanks to maryd and CathyJo for the hugs. Much appreciated, ladies.
Palatka Daily News online article reporting that Lindsy was in the courtroom yesterday during Tommy’s hearing:
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/05/14/news/news01.txt
As Croslin walked through the courtroom, he mouthed “I love you” to his wife, who said she had not seen him since his arrest Jan. 20.
Lindsy Croslin, who was sitting with Croslin’s mother and father, felt the outcome of his case would be positive in that he will get less than the minimum.
“I’m just here to support my children’s father,” she said.
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What the heck is up with that if she is divorcing him?
Just giving the benift of the doubt for a minute:If i was Tommy, and i had watched someone kill a child in cold blood, yes I would be scared out of my mind for my own children. JMO
Also i would love to see a full body shot of Tommy. AH is saying that he is over 6 ft tall, and was once 180lbs. I guess the drugs have shrunk him, but I thought from the pictues I have seen that he was just a little guy. LOL
According to WESH Ron (POS SCUM DOPER FOR A DECADE) took a 15 yr plea deal. That is no justice when you consider his charges vs Hope’s charges, I hope every day of those 15v yrs is pure hell and a snitch isn’t well received in prison. At least Jr will be grown when he gets out, thank God
Karon said,in May 14th, 2010 at 12:31 am Did any of you notice Ron standing there with his attorney whispering and smirking. He is pulling a fast one on somebody. I wonder if he is going to testify against Misty and Tommy, alright, but not on the drug charges. I wonder if they don’t want it coming out, yet. I wonder if he is testifying against them in the Haleigh case. He may let Misty think He is staying loyal to her, until it is too late for
her to make a deal.
do you have that link Karon,ty?
where is m2,she’d be handy for us right now,shes so good at this stuff,pleas and all??
Tommy’s attorney said that Tommy and Joe went to the trailer to borrow a gun to go hunting. Joe got angry that it wasn’t there and when Tommy walked in the room….Joe was in a rage and Haleigh was not alive.
yvw Iketa,heres another then,lol (((((((Iketa))))))))
Karri- I saw one picture of Tommy he was standing behind Lindsy, and I would say he is at least 6 ft. in my oppinion he could plant Joe if needed or wanted, but yes I agree in some of the sitting pics of him he looks little
omg pooh!
Karri, I TOTALLY agree with your statement.(I’d be pooping bricks if that was me~no pun intended) We do not know what was ascertained by Tommy’s “confession” and whether or not an LDT finally cleared his new info, but if I am to understand correctly, his lawyer says he was “not there,” and had “no part in it” at all. (I believe this refers to the dumping of Haleigh’s body.) He was “only the messenger.” I could be wrong though!
Also, upon further thought, I was wondering if Ronald’s supposed plea deal and the rumor that he would testify against them is actually STILL a warning to Tommy and Misty from behind bars. Did I read that Ronald wants his sentencing AFTER theirs?
This whole case is akin to a bag of wriggly, writhing snakes.
Shockwave said,in May 14th, 2010 at 8:05 am I really can’t see Ron having anything to do with any part of Haleigh missing even thought about a week ago I said he did. I do believe he is manipulative. That smile on his face in the photo on the Jacksonville
He always has that smirk,I dunno how tho because his datrs gone……how can you smirk?
POOH! I just saw your comment! WOW! OOF!
anyone have the link for the pix of ron yesterday?
I saw the picture of him with Lyndsy too, i was just wondering if there was one of him full hieght all by himself. He just looks so little now.
Pooh, was Misty awake?
CathyJo, the “smirk” pic of RC is at jacksonville.com with an article from yesterday.
Also, for anyone who thought RC was in on the sting operation, um, not so.
From Palatka Daily News:
Shoemaker said Cummings likely did not try to set up his ex-wife, since he also faces charges and prison time.
“It’s my understanding that this is not about Ronald, this is about drugs,” Shoemaker said.
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Key words, “since he also faces charges and prison time”. Glad that’s all cleared up, lol
He was NOT working undercover as some believe; he was dealing drugs!
Hey CathyJo!!!
I saw that Video last night to I wanted to slap smuggie look off of Ron’s face I think it was on Firstcoast 6: pm report (I could be wrong I’ll check)
I just dont understand why not tell right away if Joe did it. I mean, Ronald woulda killed him, and they wouldnt have to worry about being scared. Plus Misty went to TN, that kinda puts a kink in her story.
POOH ~ Where did you read this? My question would be if T and J went to borrow the gun..what led up to J being in the trailer without T…and having him “come in” and j was in a rage?
That sounds conveniently like ” I DON’T KNOW..I WAS AT WORK..”
TY Chakra,used to i found everything,i think im getting ole’ lol
but ty,i appreciate it Chakra and i am dying to see it!
KARRI – AGREED!!!
There would of been no lies and joe would be dead if that is what happened! Haleigh would NOT be missing 15 months later
CA? Don’t you mean ‘WERK” LOL
WOW Keepit Real,I was still just hoping he was though i knew better but for Haleighs sake i wish it was true!
Just One, thanks for the update! Things just become curiouser and curiouser.
CathyJo-
so much info and reports yesterday my head was spinning an today I can’t remember where I saw anything LOL
I was beginning to think you were ignoring me, CathyJo! lol
I guess that article puts that “rumor” to rest, huh?
In another article on one of the Florida news sites, it’s stated that Ron hasn’t been guaranteed 15 years..that it could be as many as 30 if the plea deal is accepted.
Is anyone else with me thinking this whole story about JO and the phone call (what was REALLY said) is not adding up?
I still can’t find it,lol grrrrrrrrr
ignoring you?? never,why would i do that? I am sure some feel that way tho,lol b/c i am here then ill get on sommin else on another site and then ill go feed my face and then ill try to catch up,lol i am ole as dirt!lol
but nooooo I don’t ignore anybody intentionally!!!
just say CATHY JO YOOOOHOOOOOO,LOL
Sorry for all of my singular, run on comments, but now my question is why were they aiming to hunt at night, and on the eve of Joe’s supposed “pre-planned trip” home? Were they gonna hunt owls or bats at night?
From Palatka Daily News:
Shoemaker said he has been working on the plea deal for more than a month following the release of undercover videos that show the transactions.
“Everyone in the world has seen the videos,” he said. “It’s a great case for the state.”
If the deal is accepted, Cummings will face 15-year minimum and a 30-year maximum per charge, Shoemaker said. The two most serious, or “upper level” charges would be dropped with Cummings to be sentenced on the three remaining lesser charges.
The charges vary according to the weight of the drugs involved.
“Obviously he wishes he could do better, but you can only work with the hand dealt,” Shoemaker said.
He added that negotiations were not finished, but said Cummings would not be sentenced until after Misty Croslin and Hank Croslin Jr. are tried.
Agree-Karri,
Tommy would be terrified if he really saw Jo kill HaLeigh and I believe they would have told right away
CathyJo- I laugh every time you say werk LOL
I aint beleiving it much,considering it maybe,but i don’t believe for a sec tommy was scared,i could snap jo like a toothpick……..lol ya know! with 2 guns prolly!!!!!
tommys in jail and joes out here too with linsey and the kids,he wasn’t scared jo’d hurt them,i think its BS!IMHO
JMO…I think it is just totally obvious when you look at all the facts and actions of these folks it is in the end Ronald who committed the original crime and was responsible for the death of his daughter.
Ron is slick and impervious to LE. He has gotten away with everything in the past and has secured a loyal following and proved to be the “alpha male”. He is manipulative and bright. Ron is quick witted and his mind is always working. He has a sixth sense about people and knows exactly how to manipulate them. He has a sixth sense about life and events-he knows whats coming before most people know what hit them. He has learned from his previous arrests how to effectively deal with LE and the system and understands how the system works. But, Ron also has an over inflated ego…he was able to manipulate dcf to give him custody of his children & gone free on all other criminal behaviors. Ron is righteous and believes he is Godlike.
Ron is the cult leader. The Croslins arent so stupid in my theory only dependent on Ron. Dependent on what you may ask? He was supplying them with something…back to Ron is the alpha male and he gives each personality exactly what it needs to lull them in and trust him. To Ron these people work for him…he wouldnt have people around who dont supply him with something Ron finds contributes to his better outcome. Ron surrounds himself with players that get things done for Ron. In exchange the players think they have Rons respect, and believe Ron has “their” best interest at heart. If they question Ron he turns it back on them and makes them think they are crazy and will be punished and at the very least rejected by Ron. You only need to understand the dynamics of co-addiction to see how these personalities fall into place. But who wouldnt want to be around Ron? He is convincing & charming-Ron makes things happen-he is the alpha male, cult leader, Donald Trump of his Satsuma followers. He is probably the biggest drug dealer of them all.
Misty and Tommy. Now in my theory remember that Ron has a distorted view of himself. Thats how he can attend the fair or marry Misty. He thinks he is behaving normally. He coached Misty and Tommy through the whole event. Misty and Tommy would have had some more judgement on right and wrong but they are still acting like the cult leader is smarter and he still has had control of them. Ron still has had their loyalty.
Tommy. If tommy killed Haleigh Misty would have told Ron and Ron/Misty would turn Tommy in immediately. Even if Ron left drugs out or was in some way even partially responsible Ron would have understood that man-ing up would have been the least amount of jail time. He would have convinced Tommy earlier on to come clean. I dont think they are afraid of drug dealers retaliation or other crimes enough to cover up on Haleighs murder. But Tommy is guilty of something-I suspect helping dispose of the body.
Misty. She is a young female. Ron sees her as trust worthy enough to watch his children and bed up with but thats about it. He doesnt respect or love her. He uses her. I dont think Ron would trust Misty to dispose of Haleigh. He hasnt known her long enough to predict exactly how she will act or if she is smart & strong enough to lie. She is a risk and he knows it so he has her not involved at all. If she was there at all she soon left as to not be involved. Did she leave the MH and go to another Croslins house until it was final and safe to come home? Misty still holds a key and is protecting Ron.
Misty protects Ron because she thinks she loves him. Tommy protects Misty because they are blood. Misty and Ron would turn on Tommy early on. The only person that leaves is Ron.
Enough for now, hope this rambling makes some sense…JMO
I think Jason taught me that Chakra,the 1st time he said it,I rolled and still do! lol
like that “E” makes a big difference,rofl but it does don’t it? lol
Cathy, type in jacksonville.com; then it’s the second article on that page on the left hand side. Click on Ron’s pic and it takes you to a bigger pic where you can REALLY see the smirk!
I google “Haleigh Cummings” hit the news button and then sort it by date. It is the first article. I think CNN blogs was it
LoL Iketa or lil ole ladies wiff purses?
ohhh ok,ty KeepitReal…oboy brb!
BSJ said,in May 14th, 2010 at 10:39 am
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Makes all the sense in the world! Common sense!
my God In Heaven,how do ya smirk like that even if all this other crap had never happened and it was Haleigh missing by a stranger???? how do you smirk and then add all this,no way!!!!!!!
I’d like to bulldoze what hair he does have left on his head!
TY KeepitReal,I think tho it made me mad!lol
CathyJo-
Look under MADJ at 5:44 pm yesterday-
those links will show you the video of Ron
BSJ, excellent post on the analysis of Ronald Cummings.
Tommy feels the culprit cannot get to him or his family now. I believe that rules out Joe Overstreet. Joe is still unjailed and could get to someone if he really wanted too.
I have always prayed that all those smirks meant he was doing this for Haleigh,now it tix me off!
According to Palatka Fla. news Lindsy said she thinks Tommy will get a less than the minimum sentence. She must not be too mad at him since she showed up in court yesterday with Hank and Lisa.
Misty has been telling that it might be Tommy for months. She went into detail about his temper even saying how he put a knife to his own fathers throat. Tommy, imo, is the one with the rage problem, going back years when Lindsy herself had to take out an OOP for her and her child against Tommy.
I can see Tommy sneaking into the MH, looking for a gun, not finding it, and taking Haleigh, maybe in the hope of exchanging her for drugs or guns or money or all of that. BUT Ron and Misty ruined his plan by calling LE.
Kind of like what he told Lindsy in the jail visit when he was referring to the Mexican mob. He said something like
Ron told, what could they do then, if they brought her back they would be F***ed.
video,oboy,just what i need? to get madder? lol
brb
ty pooh for helping,
What is Ron smirking about? He’s looking at 15 to 30 years IF he gets the deal. The dumb smuck doesn’t get it! He’s snitching! He may not last 15 to 30 behind bars as a snitch! And he’s smirking? What a putz!
And I’m SO glad RON’s Attorney has finally put this whole “Ron was working for LE to set up Misty and crew” to rest once and for all! LMAO He was dealing drugs FOR HIMSELF, plain and simple. Not sure what it will take for the Ron Lovers to see the light. NG? Are you paying attention “my friend” because I got a BOMBSHELL for you! RON DOES DRUGS! Hope you were sitting down for that one! He also DEALS drugs NG! ROFLMAO
He has the same following of some of the posters too. And NG, She has been drawn in by him too. I think some of us arent fooled by him because we have dealt with this kind of male at some point in our lives. He is very smart and has a high IQ isnt that what TN said?
Ron thinks he very smart also when he is talking abbout gators to Cobra( another percieved alpha male) he talks like he is proving to Cobra that he is just as smart as him. Even shows Cobra his junk to embarass Cobra. jmo
I wonder what Joe could of done in such little time to kill Haleigh in the triler, there was no blood, so he couldnt have stabbed her, or shot her. choking and suffocating takes time, and if he was in a rage in the same room with kids surely tommy and misty would have ran in there to get the kids out. It had to take more than seconds to kill this poor child. What if they just thought she was dead, and threw her in the lake, thats what has been crossing my mind.
white boy greg was arrested this morning on drug charges..anyone mention that yet?
very behind in reading.
it seems to me like Tommy’s lawyer is trying to make Tommy a hero for coming forward. I think both Tommy and Rons lawyers are counting their chickens before they are hatched.
Amen-JB LMAO LOL-
I only wish he would get 45 years, I believe he is responsible for HaLeighs death,by putting her in bad situations and never protecting her. He was always more concerned with his own needs than being a decent father.
OJ, I saw that on the booking log. They got him on a trafficking charge as well. With all that is going on in Putnam county, and people knowing there is UC working in the county, these people are idiots to be selling/buying any drugs right now.
Good time for them all to clean up their acts and start living a decent life.
The story that she died in the home the way Tommy’s lawyer is saying just dosent add up is all im saying. No blood in the MH, this death took time, it takes minutes w/o air to go braindead, no telling how many to actually die. I dont know how else he coulda killed her, choked her, or smothered her. That takes time, minutes, not seconds. I am thinking what if she was knocked unconscious, and these bozo’s thought she was dead, and threw her in the river, and killed her.
That should be interesting Ron in gp with WBG.
Wonder if they will talk about good old Misty?jmo
tobias, I was thinking that. Greg said he did not know Ron, well Greg, you are about to meet him.
Well with WBG, and all these others in the system that they have got recently, they really r cleaning up the streets there huh? I guess Hardy is keeping his word.
WhyLie said,in May 14th, 2010 at 11:07 am OJ, I saw that on the booking log. They got him on a trafficking charge as well. With all that is going on in Putnam county, and people knowing there is UC working in the county, these people are idiots to be selling/buying any drugs right now.
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got that right.
Time to get out of dodge like timmy did.
Rons gotta have some henchmen sucking up to his fame, I bet he could have wbg hurt, unless of course theres undercovers in there with them.. which there probably are.
OJ – thanks for the info on WBG. Very interesting. Now Ron and WBG can compare notes on Misty! LMAO
Still not sure I buy the “Cuz Joe Did It” thing. I don’t know why they’d stay quiet this long. Or why they’d talk now since Joe is free to terrorize the families if he wanted to. If Ron is half as tough as he says he is, why didn’t he take care of Joe a long time ago? Doesn’t explain Ron’s curious behavior. Not buying the hunting thing AT all. Hunting at night since Joe was leaving the next morning? I don’t think so. Who gets mad and kills a child because they can’t go hunting? I mean, really? Nope, doesn’t really add up.
Want to see a real frightening dude look on the PCSD site at the guy named CRITES. EEEWWW.
I was looking to see who else would have been busted with WBG there is a erica B. with the same charges. jmo
Amen Jb! who does that,hunts at night,rofl idiots!
Karri said,in May 14th, 2010 at 11:08 am The story that she died in the home the way Tommy’s lawyer is saying just dosent add up is all im saying.
Exactly,even an OD would take time!
OMG OJ,are you serious?? LMAO GOOOOOOOOOOD!
Tobias – OMG! What happened to Crites? WOW! Does he have lips? All I see is a “toof”, no lips, a strange nose and it must have been really windy because his hair (what little he has) was hit by a tornado! OMG! TOO funny! And a little frightening! 😯
Thtas the only way to stop the Satsuma Numbheads!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gettem all!! At once!
WhyLie,sorry guys,don’t mean to be nasty but uoi know me,
Ron must know him,he said he was gonna shove 11 inches down his throat.(naynay interview)
rofl maybe they’ll both get that chance now! lol
ego,lmao! 11-10 guarantee ya rofl
CJ, WBJ said in his interview that he did not know Ron and had just met Misty that weekend.
like an 80 yr old man in a corvette,rofl
Oj,are you 80 in a corvette?? LoL
LoL Yea but ummmmmmmmm errrrrrrrr well ummmmmm lets just say he might get to meet him!
/me will just die if theres a 80 yr old guy in a vette here! rofl
BSJ
Great analysis of Ronald! I think you may be right. When I think of Ronald i think of a kind of attactive smooth kind of guy. It is hard to believe he could hurt anyone because he is willing to show a soft side of himself. I’ve been trying to decide if that soft side is real. I do see some smarts about him, much more so than the Croslins. They seem to be just treading their way through life. Ronald always has a plan and likes to be on top of things (in control). His choice of very young girls is indicative of that to me. Easy to mold and use (as you said). I know Pat Brown called him a psychopath, she may have something there. With little real emotion psychopaths tend to act the role of whats expected of them. Charm the ones who you need most at the time. I feel like his smirks are part of his charming whoever holds the reigns at this time, PCSO, defense attorneys, his mother, grandmother. Though he plays tough he tends to accommodate as needed, ie, marrying Misty, addressing NG as Miss Nancy. letting his daughter ride on his lap in the car, befriending the UC guy. He seems to know “when to” and “when not to”. He definitely doesn’t like to be confronted (Geraldo), that’s when the temperament shows through. I don’t know where I’m going with this, have to give it more thought.
tobias said,in May 14th, 2010 at 10:59 am He has the same following of some of the posters too. And NG, She has been drawn in by him too. I think some of us arent fooled by him because we have dealt with this kind of male at some point in our lives. He is very smart and has a high IQ isnt that what TN said?
Ron thinks he very smart also when he is talking abbout gators to Cobra( another percieved alpha male) he talks like he is proving to Cobra that he is just as smart as him. Even shows Cobra his junk to embarass Cobra. jmo
My point exactly Tobias,ego!
Maryd – your analysis sounds spot-on to me. I am so amazed at the women in his life – he has such a hold on them.
Cathy, Do you remember which tape it was that Linsy and Tomy were talking about Misty getting beat up by Rob and how Ron beat her too? I want to go back and listen again because I think they both agreed she was better off with this Rob guy. jmo
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by tobias on Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:29 am
I have a theory based on what has been reported and video footage and from PCSO statements of the events.
It is known that Ron was at work and he stated that he always makes sure the deadbolt on the door indicates it is locked. Therefore someone had to have had opportunity to unlock said door. From statement made by Misty, Tommy, and the AC guy, Tommy was there at 4oclock until 5 oclock. Opportunity. He also was there before all of this when a certain gun came up missing and Joe got blamed for stealing said gun. Joe is said to be angry about being blamed for taking said gun. Misty finds the gun but we have no idea who really took it. The night Haleigh goes missing Ron calls Tommy looking for Misty. Tommy stated to PCSO that he went to the MH and no one was there. He also had opportunity here to enter a previously unlocked door and steal the gun again. He knows Misty is a sound sleeper and has a back up if she wakes, Ron called him to check on her. He enters and Haleigh thinks its her Dad home from work and turns on the kitchen light. He panics and puts his hand over her mouth to quiet her. She panics and has a asthma attack and dies. Now he has a problem, he calls for help and wakes Misty. They come up with a plan to save them from going to jail and being killed by Ron. Thing in this theory may have happened differently but there was opportunity and previous knowledge to the MH layout and sleeping arrangements. He knows she sleeps soundly and had a weekend of drugs. He is known for gun theft and drugs.
Remember this is just one of the many possibilities of events.tobias
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Tobias Orignal Theory!
Sounded right at the time Cathy but now I am not so sure. IT IS TOO EASY. JMO
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This thread is dedicated to the various theories as to what actually happened to Haleigh Marie Cummings.
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by CathyJo63 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:18 pm
NANCY GRACE
Police Start Fresh in Missing Haleigh Case
Aired September 2, 2009 – 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Satsuma, Florida. A 5- year-old little girl tucked into bed. Five hours later, she`s gone, vanished, the back door propped wide open. Daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little Haleigh.
Bombshell tonight. Florida police bring Haleigh`s dad, Ronald Cummings, in for intense questioning about phone calls, phone calls made in the hours leading up to the moment Haleigh goes missing. But why? Police already have new stepmom Misty Croslin`s phone records. What do they reveal?
In a stunning twist, police bring in a new team, starting from scratch in the search for Haleigh. Is there a break in the case? These phone records apparently reveal a crucial timeline, including a major argument just before Haleigh disappears. After searchers comb through dense foliage on foot, on horseback, all on a tip from new stepmother Misty Croslin, we know Croslin the last person to see Haleigh alive, flunks a polygraph with a score of 99 percent deceptive.<>:twisted: Croslin also revealing she`s afraid her phone is tapped. But wait a minute! When a child is missing, who cares if your phone`s tapped? What is there to hide? We also learn Croslin`s bed made up, not slept in, the night Haleigh vanishes. Was she ever even home? Cops say evidence in the home contradicts her story.<<<>And now reports say she flunked a voice stress test, changing her story, saying up to four people in the home the night Haleigh vanishes but calling it all a dream-like memory. Police insist Haleigh not kidnapped by a stranger. Girlfriend-baby-sitter-turned-stepmom caught on tape. We have the video. And exclusive tonight. For the first time since Croslin reportedly flunks that polygraph, Haleigh Cummings`s biological mother and her grandmother with us live, taking your calls. Where is 5-year-old Haleigh?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH`S BABY-SITTER/STEPMOTHER: They`ve been on me for six months. They haven`t left me alone for six months. I`ve been the one, the main focus. They just need to move on and look for the right person.
TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Mark Nejame is a very respected attorney. And asked I Ronald — Ronald, I need more information on this before I can consider representing anybody. And Ronald Cummings said, The (DELETED) had something to do with my daughter`s disappearance.
GRACE: What is her story about what happened that night?
CUMMINGS: The same thing that she`s telling police or whoever, that she put Haleigh to bed, done some laundry, went to bed, and woke up to the door propped open.
>>>CROSLIN: I was sleeping in that bed. How would the bed be made if someone`s sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it. But how would it — me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping?
>>> MILLER: He said that she never made the bed that night. She`d been awake all night. She never went to sleep. They did not have any laundry detergent, so she never washed clothes. The only clothes in the dryer were dirty clothes.<<<
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think Misty holds some information that could help with that?
CUMMINGS: I don`t think Misty holds any information that`s going to find Haleigh.<>>> MILLER: I got a voice message from Ronald`s mother, I think on the 18th or 19th, that said, Tim, Misty won`t even talk to Ronald right now. She`s on secret phone calls and stuff. She`s ready to break.<<<<<<<
CROSLIN: He called the phone and said that, I`m going to take you to Orlando to get you away because your days are numbered. He told me that if I didn`t take them tests, that he wasn`t going to look for Haleigh.
MILLER: Misty, I said, you know what? I`ve spent time with law enforcement and stuff, and I says, I believe that the day`s going to come when you are going to be arrested.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you feel that Misty is the key to this investigation?
CUMMINGS: No, I don`t. I think they`re barking up the wrong tree.
911 OPERATOR: OK…
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)
911 OPERATOR: Can I talk to her?
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)
911 OPERATOR: OK.
CUMMINGS: How the (DELETED) can you let my daughter get stole (DELETED)
GRACE: Whether you accept it or not, that your wife has flunked a poly, have you asked her what happened?
CUMMINGS: I asked her, but I don`t get any answers from her about, you know — I don`t see what she — what she`s telling me is not inconsistent.<<<<<<
CROSLIN: If they go out and look for that person, maybe they — they would be — have the answers, but they`re trying to get all the answers from me that I don`t have.
MILLER: I`m willing to put this out. I mean, honesty is honesty. I mean, we all got skeletons.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Straight out to T.J. Hart, program and news director WSKY, 97.3 FM. T.J., thank you for being with us. Ronald Cummings, the father of little Haleigh, agrees to go with police. He did this voluntarily. And he undergoes intense questioning — this is just hours ago — about a phone, a telephone timeline. Can you confirm that there was a horrible argument between Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin, Misty alone at home with Haleigh, just before Haleigh goes missing?
T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3 FM (via telephone): According to his lawyers, they don`t want to get into the intricacies of the conversation, but they say they probably were not having cordial conversations, and they said that there was an argument, and that was pretty much an end of it. Have no idea about how it transpired or anything at this point. But there was indeed an argument.
GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer on the story. Police apparently bring Cummings in for questioning, intense questioning, about a telephone timeline leading up all the way to the time Haleigh goes missing. Now, we have reason to believe that they already have Misty Croslin`s cell phone and home phone records, all right? That`s relatively easy to get. The police just had to fill out a subpoena for that and send it to the phone company.
But what are they hoping to get from Ronald to, what, piece together what they were talking about during all these calls? What do you know, Natisha?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, what Ronald`s attorney is telling us today is that they met with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and in that meeting, they wanted to get all of Ronald`s phone records from about 5:00 PM the night before Haleigh went missing up until the time Haleigh was reported missing, about 3:00 o`clock in the morning.
Now, they did have his records at one time before, but they wanted to go through them piece by piece, each record, what calls were coming in, what calls were going out, even the text messages. Ronald was very happy to hand over this information to them. There`s apparently a new agent who is working on the case, and they are starting, quote, “from scratch.”
GRACE: We are taking your calls live. And joining us tonight, also taking your calls, is the mother of missing Florida girl, 5-year-old Haleigh. Also with her, the grandmother, Haleigh`s grandmother. Crystal Sheffield, Marie Griffis, thank you for being with us.
First to you, Crystal Sheffield. This is Haleigh`s mother. Crystal, what do you make of the recent developments, the developments especially about Misty Croslin flunking a polygraph?
CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, HALEIGH`S MOTHER: Well, I`ve thought all along that she had something to do with it, and now this kind of just proves it. I mean…<<<<<
GRACE: But why do you think — why do you say you`ve thought all along that?
SHEFFIELD: She was the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don`t add up. Everything she says is crazy. I mean, it`s like the cops say, they`re inconsistent.
GRACE: Have you talked to Ronald about the inconsistencies?
SHEFFIELD: I`ve said something to him about her recently, and he pretty much was, like, What do you want me to do? So…
GRACE: What did you say to him? I mean, his response kind of — to interpret it depends on what you said to him. What did you say to him?
SHEFFIELD: I told him what I — how I felt about her test results, and I told him I really didn`t want to be around her anymore, like when I pick our son up. And he was just, like, What do you want me to do? So maybe we can talk about it and I…
GRACE: When you go to pick up your son and you see Misty, have you tried to speak to Misty Croslin about what happened that night?
SHEFFIELD: No.
GRACE: Why?
SHEFFIELD: I can`t.
GRACE: Why?
SHEFFIELD: Because she was the last one to see our daughter, and I just — I…
GRACE: I mean, if — if somebody was the last person to be with my child, John David or Lucy, and police say they have the key to what happened, I would at least say, What happened?
SHEFFIELD: Well, I haven`t seen her since the results.
GRACE: Yes?
SHEFFIELD: But I did talk to her on the telephone, and she was telling me she had no problem with me and that she didn`t have anything to do with our daughter going missing, that she was at home and all this stuff that everybody`s saying is lies about her. That`s the only time I`ve talked to her.<<<<<>>>>> CROSLIN: No. I was sleeping in that bed. How would the bed be made if someone`s sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it. But how would it — me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?
CROSLIN: I just woke up and our back door was open, and I can`t find my daughter.
911 OPERATOR: Can`t find what?
CROSLIN: My daughter.
911 OPERATOR: OK. What`s your address?
CROSLIN: Green Lane (INAUDIBLE)
911 OPERATOR: What`s the numerical?
CROSLIN: The numerical? What`s that?
911 OPERATOR: The number. Green Lane?
CROSLIN: Yes.
911 OPERATOR: OK, when did you last see her?
CROSLIN: We just, like — you know, it was about 10:00 o`clock. She was sleeping (INAUDIBLE)
911 OPERATOR: OK. How old is your daughter?
CROSLIN: She`s 5. Hello?
911 OPERATOR: OK. What was she last seen wearing?
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE) the middle of the night.
911 OPERATOR: Ma`am?
CROSLIN: She was in her pajamas. We were sleeping.
911 OPERATOR: OK. All right. You said your back door was wide open?
CROSLIN: Yes, with a brick. Like, there was a brick (INAUDIBLE). Like, when I went to sleep, the door was not like that.
911 OPERATOR: OK, the back door…
CROSLIN: It was locked.
911 OPERATOR: Listen to me. Your back door was wide open. What are you talking about a brick?
CROSLIN: Yes.
911 OPERATOR: What is the brick?
CROSLIN: It`s on the (INAUDIBLE) on the stairs. Like (INAUDIBLE)
911 OPERATOR: And there was a brick laying there?
CROSLIN: Yes. It`s still there.
(CROSSTALK)
CUMMINGS: … better come on!
911 OPERATOR: We got them coming. Tell him we got them coming.
CROSLIN: They`re coming.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Joining us tonight exclusively since the stepmother of little Haleigh apparently flunks a polygraph, the child`s mother, Crystal Sheffield, and her mother, the grandmother, Marie Griffis, joining us out of Florida.
To Crystal Sheffield. You mentioned that Misty Croslin`s first polygraph, the one administered by police, was full of inconsistencies. How did you find that out?
SHEFFIELD: No, not the polygraph, just her stories. I know nothing about the polygraph from the police. I have not revealed that.
GRACE: OK. Why did you — where did you learn that what she told police was full of inconsistencies?
SHEFFIELD: The — it was on your show, actually. I think it was one of the investigators. He said that, We`ve known all along that her stories was full of inconsistencies.
GRACE: You made an accusation that Croslin was on a drug binge. Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
CROSLIN: No, I don`t.
GRACE: Then why did you say it?
CROSLIN: It was just a thought. I mean, maybe she was. Maybe she wasn`t.
GRACE: It was just a thought. So you have nothing to support the claim that she was on a drug binge around the time Haleigh goes missing?<<<<
CROSLIN: Well, there`s been people that have been questioned that said she was on a drug binge before Haleigh went missing.<<<<
GRACE: OK. Let`s go to calls. To Sharon in Alabama. Hi, Sharon.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank you for taking my call.
GRACE: Thank you for calling. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When this case first started, you all showed a map of registered sex offenders in the area.
GRACE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I`m wondering if Misty may have had one of those as her guest on that night. And you know, she`s talking about she had four guests and it was foggy, so I assume there might be drugs and drinking going on. So I`m wondering if she had a registered sex offender in there and now she`s scared to death to tell anybody.
GRACE: Out to Natisha Lance. I know police questioned or looked up all of those sex offenders. I remember when they did it. But have there been accusations that have surfaced that she and was entertaining men in the home the night Haleigh goes missing?
LANCE: There have been accusations that she was entertaining some people in the home the night Haleigh was missing. We don`t know if they were male or female, but there have been those accusations. And yes, all the sex offenders in the area were questioned more than once. They canvassed that area over and over again.
GRACE: Out to Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Mike, weigh in? What do you make of it, the fact — in my mind, the fact that police are bringing in new blood — not that there was anything wrong with the old team, they were excellent — but new blood to put fresh eyes on it, and that they bring in Cummings, who, I would like to add, came voluntarily, where they grill him over his phone records — Who were you calling, what were you talking about with Misty Croslin just before the child goes missing — now we find out they have a major argument just before she goes missing to the point where Misty Croslin apparently cuts her cell phone off.
MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, Nancy, that`s a great point. And if you recall, back early on, I brought up what was in the police report, where he called her, My dumb “B” girlfriend.” Now, as — in reference to law enforcement, they had done this before and got some fresh eyes on the case. Sounds like they`re doing it again. I don`t have a problem with it. But still, you know, all these eyes looking at this, they`re still not coming up with one big thing, probable cause.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
CUMMINGS: Hello?
911 OPERATOR: OK, sir, let me talk to your wife. Let me get some information from her.
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)
911 OPERATOR: OK…
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)
911 OPERATOR: Can I talk to her?
CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)
911 OPERATOR: OK.
CUMMINGS: How the (DELETED) can you let my daughter get stole (DELETED)?
911 OPERATOR: Tell him we got them coming. He needs to try to calm down a little bit, OK? The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?
CUMMINGS: Give me my (DELETED) phone! I got better people to talk to than a (DELETED) (DELETED) that ain`t coming!
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CROSLIN: They`ve been on me for six months. They haven`t left me alone for six months. I`ve been the one, the main focus. They just need to move on and look for the right person.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Out to the lines. Gina in Florida. Hi, Gina.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. The night that Haleigh went missing, the back door to the trailer was propped open with a brick. It`s possible Misty put the brick there so she could get back into the house after partying without waking up the children. So my question is, if Misty did go out that night, could someone who knew that the kids were left alone go back to the house and abduct Haleigh?
GRACE: I think that is entirely possible. But let`s analyze this, Dr. Patricia Saunders — Saunders joining us from New York, clinical psychologist. Let`s think it through. Is Dr. Saunders with us? Liz, can you please put her up on the screen? Hi, Doctor. Doctor, if her only offense was that she went out that night — she shouldn`t have gone out to party, shouldn`t have gone out on a date, whatever — if that were her only offense, if that was the only problem, don`t you think she would have come clean to that by now?
PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely, Nancy. No question about it. There are not only inconsistencies, but this is a person who maintains that she passed the voice stress test and the polygraph, even though experts have said no. That`s someone who`s willing to ignore and distort reality. So she is walking around in a dream-like state, as she says.
GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers — Susan Moss, New York, Richard Herman, famed defense attorney out of New York, Kirby Clements (ph), former prosecutor turned defense attorney out of Atlanta. Richard Herman, what do you make of it?
RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Look, polygraphs are not the facts. So we`ve got to get that straight, Doctor. They`re not reality and they`re not the facts. They`re not accepted in court. So let`s move away from that.
GRACE: OK. Put Herman up, please.
HERMAN: Oh!
GRACE: Richard…
HERMAN: Nancy, no one`s going to…
GRACE: Try, try, try to be truthful, all right? Just try. Have you ever — and I already know the answer, so don`t try to waffle. Have you ever sent one of your clients for a polygraph?
HERMAN: Yes, I have.
GRACE: Why?
HERMAN: I did it so that I could show it to…
GRACE: Because…
HERMAN: … a prosecutor like you…
GRACE: … you…
HERMAN: … who I know would ignore it!
GRACE: … believed it!
HERMAN: You would ignore it, Nancy!
GRACE: You believed it. So don`t jump up on this show and try to pretend they have no validity!
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Misty Cummings has said she put Haleigh to bed that February night and then later she went to sleep. Miller said Ronald does not buy that story. <<<<<
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was the bed made?
MISTY CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S STEPMOM, LAST SEEN HALEIGH: No, I was sleeping in that bed. How would the bed be made if someone`s sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it. But how would it — me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping? <<<<
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right beside me on my left is the bed where Misty Croslin was sleeping, and here on the right we have the bed where little Haleigh was sleeping. And you can see it is all but about 3 1/2 feet from each other. And this is right where Misty said she got up and she had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.
M. CUMMINGS: When I went to sleep, she was there. And then when I woke up she was gone.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said that she never made the bed that night, she`d been awake all night, she never went to sleep, they did not have any laundry detergent, so she never washed clothes.
M. CUMMINGS: If they`d go out and look for the right person maybe they`d have the answers. But they`re trying to get all the answers from me that I don`t have.
TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: I`d love to get that little girl home. Ronald said if he had $35,000 he could get her home. Well, you know what? I`ve got five people that could go ahead and get $35,000 and we could put it in a special account tomorrow.
And when little Haleigh comes home, she can go ahead and give that $35,000 to somebody and we`re all full of (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
(END VIDEO CLIP)
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Joining us tonight, Haleigh`s mother, Crystal Sheffield, and grandmother, Marie Griffis.
To you, Miss Griffis, thank you for being with us. You stated that at the very beginning you doubted Croslin`s story. Why? <<<<
MARIE GRIFFIS, GRANDMOTHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: Because of the inconsistencies with the bed and who was sleeping in what bed. There were four different stories.
GRACE: What were the four stories?
GRIFFIS: Well, one minute all three of them were in the — in the same bed. Then Haleigh was on a different bed. And it was just her and Butterbean. Then — and Butterbean is Junior, by the way. Then he was in a totally different room other than her and Haleigh. And it just kept getting bigger and bigger.
GRACE: What, if anything, have you been told about her police polygraph?
GRIFFIS: That they were full of inconsistencies.
GRACE: Such as?
GRIFFIS: As her timeline. They can`t figure out whether she was or was not at home. If — it`s one right after another. It`s all mind- boggling.
GRACE: To Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh`s mother. Crystal, recently she has suggested that the four people were in the home that evening. Have you heard that version?
CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, MOM OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: No. The only thing I`ve heard was about the AC guy and her brother that stopped by. That`s the only people I know about. And she said they left, both of them. <<<<<<
GRACE: Back to T.J. Hart with WSKY. T.J., I want to focus specifically on what the cops are focusing on right now that we know of. And that is this phone timeline. They are focusing, honing in on a big argument that Ronald Cummings had with Misty Croslin just before the child goes missing.
So you`re telling me you have no idea what the argument was about, you know nothing about it?
T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIR., WSKY 97.3FM, COVERING STORY (via phone): That`s according to his attorney. That`s for sure. He said there was a brief argument and that was the end of it. That`s Ron talking to his attorney.
GRACE: OK. Natisha, what do you know?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, according to Tim Miller, they were arguing about — Misty had apparently been gone for several days prior to Haleigh going missing. She had just come back into the house. They had had arguments about possibly some — her entertaining other people outside of their relationship. <<<<<<
And when she came back into the house that argument had carried over and carried over also into the day that Haleigh went missing. <<<<<<
GRACE: To Susan Moss, child advocate, family law attorney. Susan, how often have you seen when spouses argue, one takes it out on the child? Like the father and the mother argues just recently and the father throws the baby off a bridge. That just happened.
SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Absolutely. Unfortunately too often. Or another scenario is perhaps that she got in a fight and maybe she left. Or somehow the timeline is screwed up. I mean, she failed this poly. Oh, golly. I mean, come on. This is a surprise to no one.
This is a 16-year-old who has changed her stories multiple times. She didn`t call the cops until dad came home and literally forced her to call the cops. And also, this child was taken from a small trailer? How did she not know? It`s just surprising to me her nose hasn`t grown.
GRACE: To Kirby Clements. Kirby, you`re a veteran trial lawyer. You`ve been on both sides of the fence. You were a felony prosecutor. Now you`re a defense attorney. What do you make of the fact that Susan just brought up. She didn`t call the cops until Cummings gets home and says where the H is the baby? Then they call the cops.
KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that is a problem, and I have to tell you that anytime your client.
GRACE: Boy, you sure are putting perfume on a pig? That`s a problem. That`s all you can say?
CLEMENTS: It is a problem.
GRACE: You have to sugarcoat that pill.
CLEMENTS: Well, you know, we have to find out what else is going on. I mean if I`m her lawyer, I`m focusing on the father, too. After all, you know.
GRACE: The father? You`re focusing on the father?
CLEMENTS: I would have to focus on the father. This story doesn`t make sense.
GRACE: The father wasn`t home when she went missing.
CLEMENTS: Well, you know what.
GRACE: So why focus on the father?
CLEMENTS: No one knows what time.
GRACE: That doesn`t even make sense.
CLEMENTS: The problem is nobody knows what time the child went missing. Everybody`s.
GRACE: We know when he went to work by all accounts.
CLEMENTS: Says who?
GRACE: Says Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin and the child was seen that day at school up until that afternoon just before Cummings goes to work. <<<<<<
CLEMENTS: What time did the child end up missing? Nobody can answer that question. You all say that this poor — this young 17-year-old girl, she`s lying, she`s.
GRACE: I`m not saying what time the child goes missing.
I want to go back to Crystal Sheffield. You bring up a great point, Kirby. Crystal Sheffield, you`re the mom. What time was Haleigh last seen by anybody other than Cummings and Croslin?
SHEFFIELD: The last time I seen her was.
GRACE: I didn`t ask when you saw her. Certainly, you as the biological mother know the facts of this case. So when was she last seen by someone other than the father and the stepmother?
SHEFFIELD: That I don`t know. I know that the last time Misty says she seen her was 8:00.
GRACE: You don`t know where she was that day? You haven`t found out?
SHEFFIELD: She was at school that day.
GRACE: Until what time?
SHEFFIELD: She gets off the bus about 3:00 something? It`s what I was told.
GRACE: She gets off the buss at 3:00 or she gets out of school at 3:00?
SHEFFIELD: She gets off the bus around 3:00. A little after 3:00.
GRACE: Do you know what time she would get out of school?
SHEFFIELD: No.
GRACE: Why?
SHEFFIELD: I don`t live there. I don`t live there.
GRACE: You didn`t know what time your daughter got out of school?
SHEFFIELD: I`m assuming around 2:30. I don`t live there. I was never told those kind of things.
GRACE: To Dr. Marty Makary. You know, Dr. Marty, I`m starting to think this child never had a chance. She didn`t have a chance. She`s also got Turner syndrome. Could you just tell me what obstacles she would face with Turner syndrome if she were taken by an outsider that didn`t know how to treat her?
DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, in short, she had a lot of medical needs. This was a child who most likely had frequent coughs, the flu, sore throat, upper respiratory tract infections. This child we know had seen the doctor many times, had been hospitalized already at her young age, and we know this is a condition which affects the development of kids because they have a lot of medical needs.
GRACE: Out to the lines, Deann, Wisconsin. Hi, Deann.
DEANN, CALLER FROM WISCONSIN: Hi, Nancy. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear, what`s your question?
DEANN: I`m just wondering, has her father taken a polygraph test?
GRACE: The father? The biodad?
DEANN: Yes.
GRACE: Absolutely. And to our knowledge he`s passed.
Kim in Ohio, what`s your question, dear?
KIM, CALLER FROM OHIO: Hi, Nancy. I just wanted to know why has she not been arrested if she flunked the poly?
GRACE: Well, because polygraphs, unless they`re agreed to up front, are not admissible in court. It`s not enough for probable cause. For all we know she could be lying about a tangential issue such as what she did earlier that evening. So they can`t pin a case on a flunked poly.CathyJo63
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Right and I like comparing them Tobias I guess cause look how we have all changed theories and no closer to Haleigh!
Forgive me if this has already been said on the board today, but just now read the article about Tommy’s lawyer just stated Haleigh died in the home at the hands of an angry Joe Overstreet, but who knows if this is true or not. So many lies…….
And OMG did I take alot of critisism for that theory when everyone was so sure Haleigh had been taken by the Shefields. I never felt the positive force of Haleigh being alive. I wished it was true but never felt it.jmo
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by CathyJo63 on Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:40 pm
I think you all know my theory,I’ve had since the first week og Haleigh’s Gone Missing,
I believe that Misty and the black guy,(man in black)were having sex and Haleigh caught them and she’s old enough to tell Daddy! So they have to act fast and in a rush they take her body somewhere and are running out of time so,The guy drop’s Misty off close to home to make sure Ron’s not home yet and that he’s not seen there..or the guy take’s Haleigh’s body somewhere and Misty’s frantic hoping he get’s back in time to get her thing’s and be gone before Ronald get’s home,In the meantime Misty prop’s the door open so she can throw her stuff into his auto or the van that had been checked by the police but before the guy get’s back or as soon as they get back together she comes in and start’s gathering her stuff from the closet’s and everywhere (explain’s the closet’s and stuff torn out and Misty looking for Haleigh everywhere,under bed’s etc) but frantic for time and guess what? Ron’s pulling in and she’s already frantic because she thought she’d be gone and wouldn’t have to face him, and when he came in she was a wreck and convinced him and 911 that it happened the way she said it did…the frantic and shaking voice and you can tell Misty is terrified of him anyway,I know a scared woman the second I see one and she was terrified of him more than LE!
Either she was having sex with the black guy “no bias inteneded “Just going on what Jr. supposedly said he saw”……Man in black or Black Man…..? Before we knew this though I thought,OMG she was having sex with her brother and got caught,only thing that makes sense anymore!
Look how different her call to 911 was when she got robbed buying drug’s! That was sheer terror!
She was crying hysterically because her purse was torn! Different than the Haleigh call!! Just plain scared!CathyJo63
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oops,lol Tobias,sorry! I think we all did at times,lol
I just don’t see how an angry JO, in a rampage, killing Haleigh in the home, and Jr doesn’t hear or see anything. He was nearly 4 years old, if he saw such a traumatic event he would have told. Just like he would have told if Misty had taken him and Haleigh out partying that night.
What I have heard him say (or Crystal say he said) is that he saw somebody pick Haleigh up and take her and that Misty was sleeping.
Right Chrissy,why would he be angry anyway? If i were gonna steal sommin i’d prolly be glad it wasn’t there to steal,lol
Tommy’s lawyer just said that he and Joe went over to borrow the gun, it was not there, Tommy said he walked into the bedroom to find an angry Joe in there and Haleigh was no longer alive… but right….where was Jr. if this was happening?
Tommy’s lawyer just said that he and Joe went over to borrow the gun, it was not there, Tommy said he walked into the bedroom to find an angry Joe in there and Haleigh was no longer alive… but right….where was Jr. if this was happening?
The missing 5-year-old, vanished from her trailer in February 2009. According to Werter, Tommy Croslin says he and his cousin, Joe Overstreet, visited the home where Haleigh Cummings lived with her father Ronald Cummins and his then girlfriend, Misty Croslin, the night Haleigh Cummings went missing. Werter says Overstreet wanted to borrow an automatic rifle at the home to go deer hunting and that Overstreet became irate when he learned the gun was not there. “Things happened from there,” Werter said, explaining Croslin, Jr. went into the trailer bedroom to find Overstreet in a rage and Haleigh Cummings no longer alive.
this is the article I just read???? Sorry about the double posts.
baby? Then they call the cops.
KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that is a problem, and I have to tell you that anytime your client.
GRACE: Boy, you sure are putting perfume on a pig? That`s a problem. That`s all you can say?
CLEMENTS: It is a problem.
GRACE: You have to sugarcoat that pill.
CLEMENTS: Well, you know, we have to find out what else is going on. I mean if I`m her lawyer, I`m focusing on the father, too. After all, you know.
GRACE: The father? You`re focusing on the father?
CLEMENTS: I would have to focus on the father. This story doesn`t make sense.
GRACE: The father wasn`t home when she went missing.
CLEMENTS: Well, you know what.
GRACE: So why focus on the father?
CLEMENTS: No one knows what time.
GRACE: That doesn`t even make sense.
N/G Sure went all out for Ron didn’t she?
sometimes i almost think she has a thing against women! shesh,Melinda,casey,misty…….tho some deserve it but just saying………imo
Chrissy was that article on the NG site or did you find it on a mainstream media site?
Radio Transmissions on the Night Haleigh Vanished!
by CathyJo63 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:44 pm
SATSUMA, FL — Newly released radio transmissions shed more light on the night Haleigh Cummings vanished from her bedroom.
A ‘signal 8,’ which is police chatter for a missing person, alerted deputies to 202 Green Lane, Haleigh’s home.
“I got the age on this kid,” said one deputy. “Is it a boy or a girl?
“Whiskey Foxtrot,” said dispatch. It’s code for white female. “Last seen wearing her PJs.”
Deputies swarm her neighborhood and take note of the railroad tracks. Dispatch informs them a train just passed through.
More deputies respond, some need directions from dispatchers. And the sheriff’s office works to get dogs and helicopters to the scene.
“Stay at the residence,” said one deputy to a colleague. “Maintain that point of access in reference to the canine and do another thorough search from inside the house.”
©2010 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.
Chrissy..omg,well how the hello did he do it,they didnt hear a shot,scream??
tobias said,in May 14th, 2010 at 11:52 am Cathy, Do you remember which tape it was that Linsy and Tomy were talking about Misty getting beat up by Rob and how Ron beat her too? I want to go back and listen again because I think they both agreed she was better off with this Rob guy. jmo
I did have it brb
WhyLie, it was on cnn Nancy Grace, that is why I feel so skeptical about it, lol
who knows CathyJo, I am wondering if we will ever really know……
Chrissy, I agree, sounds like just another one of NG and AH’s bombshells.
Tobias,I can’t find it,ill keep looking but i watched it not too long ago,i know!
Jan and Simon posted it before,i am almost certain! I remember b/c i didn’t know she had a ex bf named rob!
you and me chrissy!!!
brb
Personally, if it were me, before a hearing or trial, if my lawyer went on NG and spilled the beans on info related to me or my case, I would kick him to the curb. However, if what Tommy’s lawyer says is what happened, then Tommy should have no trouble passing a LDT on that information, jmo, he has presumbably failed so many, well, Lord if he did pass one, surely it would be because “some” of the truth finally came out, only time will tell I guess.
Will someone please tell me how we found out Misty bed was made the night Haleigh went missing ?
What gets me about NG is she has these experts on and when they dont agree with her she cuts them off or says something stupid. Usually ….. second verse same as the first..Putting perfume on a pig… thats not what I asked you….how long have you been in law? it just goes on and on with her, I dont know why anyonew would subject themselves to her abuse??? jmo
Ron supposedly told this to Cobra and TM.
I wonder why she wouldnt agree with the re enactment. I always thought something was odd becuase if the light was on and she got out of bed she would have been facing the tot bed and would have see Haleigh wasnt there. jmo
Tobias,
Was that an answer for my Question ?
Iketa, Tommy has two boys and one girl. The little girls name is Layla and the boys are Dustin and Austin.
WESH misreported the info, this is what the news team stated:”We believe the negotiations are still being negotiated and we plan to update our site”
WTF!!! That is no where the same as REACHED a deal, must be taking lessons for ORange Art:)
Yes thats where I heard it from Linda. jmo
Linda – I believe Ronald said the beds were made – I don’t remember where I read that but I will look.
The state will never agree to that deal Ron and his lawyer are trying to get accepted. Why would they? They dont need any other evidence and Rons testimony could actually hurt their case. jmo
CathyJo63, I believe it was the Pick Your Poison article dated May 5th,2010. This is where I think they are talking about Rob was better than Ron.
I also like how Shoemaker made it look like it was Rons family that said he was helping the cops as an informant to catch Misty. We heard him on the tapes talking with TN and they both were doing a spin on it. Everything this family did caused this to become the mess it is. jmo
I don’t believe that Ron said the bed was made, as in not slept in. Maybe he said they were made in they had sheets and blankets on them. That info came from TM, I believe, who said Ron said it. I don’t remember ever hearing Ron saying that out of his own mouth, but I could have missed it.
So why would LE need Ron to testify against the others for the drug charges? What would be in it for them? They’ve got everyone on video for Pete’s sake. What could Ron tell them in testimony that would be of any value? I say to LE “Tell Ron to pull up his big boy boxers (however dirty they are) and take his punishment!”. He’s got nothing to offer. He snitches and they’ll be carrying him out of prison in a pine box…….hmmmmmmm…okay, never mind….let him snitch….works for me! 😀
I googled Ronald Cummings Bed made and got this from Watts’ site:
She claims she put Haleigh down at 8:00pm and went to sleep herself at 10:00 and awoke abruptly at 3:00 to find Haleigh gone. Now even her husband Ronald isn’t buying that story “she never went to bed that night” he said “the bed was made” Police confirmed Ronald’s story. As the investigation closes in on her and investigators focus on those few hours the evening of Feb.9th into early morning Feb.10th that Misty can’t account for. One thing is clear; the only thing that’s consistent about Misty Cummings story is her inconsistencies.
JillF – Good find. I knew I had heard or read that before but didn’t know where (about the beds being made).
One thing I would like to have cleared up is who the heck is Tallent? Misty says this persons name like she is really wanting him to visit for some reason and it was never cleared up. Hank had talked with him and he said he wouldnt call or visit. It was really wierd. jmo
i have wondered too Tobias? He’s ther one who wouldn’t come see her right?
Cathy, It was strange and she said it on one of the very first tapes when she didnt know it was going to get released. She asked Hank and then asked Lisa too. I dont like loose ends they bug me. jmo
gotta go get Dakota,bbl guys,i keep losing my connection………..
omy.LoL Theres alotta connections lost in Satsuma too rofl!
Prob another bf. Who knows with this girl, she makes him kinda sound like her pimp. Not being mean, but thats what it kina sounded like to me, that talent guy? and who names there child Talent? its gotta be a street name you would think.
Jill,
TY. I thought people were going by NG. team that went to the house only after Rons mother cleaned it.
As far as Watts I listen to him on radio sunday’s but he has been known to put stuff out there that aren’t quite true. Him and another reporter said the police told them there was Larger bloody stain was in Anthony’s trunk.
Also when the McStay family went missing they wanted off the search team because of mistruth out .
I think I heard a tape with Cobra saying that misty was in bed asleep just a feet away from Haliegh that > I’m looking for tape
I guess everyone has left, thats sad, i like talking bout this with yall.
Sorry I just don’t see LE “confirming” anything to Watts given how tight lipped they have been from the start.
WhyLie – Good point!
I know it’s not going to happen, but it would be nice to hear updates from the Sheriffs dept. Even if it is nothing more than to thank people for the tips they receive. We’d at least know they are still working on finding justice for Haleigh.
If nothing else Jr was in the bed so it would have been slept in by at least somebody that night.
Where is Homespain….could have sworn that they posted last week that there would be arrests by the end of this week….stated that like they were in the “know”….said something about having to be careful what they said for “legal reasons”. Tick Tock….no arrests! UGH!
Whylie ,
I really don’t think we can really believe all that we read or hear , It seems thier all out for rateings not the truth I can’t stand NG anymore and It seems JVM is just following NG. that tells me she tring to get ratins like good old Nancy.
no more Walter Cronkites anymore.
Unfortunately nothing we have can really be verified since everything we get basically comes from the media (spin city) or the jailhouse tapes (lie city). I too with LE would give us a hint as to whether they are about to wrap this up or what! They made the comment after the river search that arrests were coming….I assumed that meant in the near future and they had their evidence…..but weeks later….still nothing. This is making me NUTS!
JB I remember Homespain post to. It’s past time for the arrests.
Linda…true…The news isn’t news anymore…it is sensationalism. It is ALL about ratings. The important stuff isn’t reported…just the juicy, “tawdry”, gossip-laced garbage!
Hello Miss Betty – yes, it is WAY past time for arrests. I’m beginning to wonder if Haleigh will ever receive justice. 😥
Linda, boy is that an understatement, there are few true investigative reporters any more.
Linda, You can hear a snippet of the taped telephone conversation in which which Cobra says, “She was in the bed,” referring to Misty, at the site that we can’t talk about. I doubt that it is posted anywhere else— wouldn’t make sense.
hmm the sherrifs son and buddys and today wbg arrested odd to say the least.
I think when everything is released to the public there are going to be a whole lot of “what the he**” moments.
I can’t think of one I used to jump around on the news CNN<HLN,fox thought i’d find one not true thay all have thier spins.
JB I am thinking the same thing. First Steve Brown said he knew what happened and now fingers being pointed at Jo and still no arrests. Tommy should at least be arrested for witholding evidence. If Jo is not guilty he should be suing for being accused for something he didn’t do. There is a guilty person or persons getting away with murder.
We are definitely “back at the Mondex.” Same routine, fourth version now. First, search behind church in San Mateo, evidence to make HaLeigh look dead or gone far away, no evidence or arrest. Second, Marie’s ranch, searching and digging and tearing things apart; result, nothing. Third, letter from Nay Nay with story and draining a pond at the Mondex; result, nothing. Fourth, letter from Misty with story and huge search at St. John’s river; result, nothing. I’d say hinky meter way off charts, exploded, in fact.
You guys notice WBG is in the Putnam Hilton?
Oh, wb Greg arrested today? Please tell, again, since I’ve been away— or send me somewhere to look… I’ll go google and save you the trouble.
Miss Betty – maybe the reason LE is in no hurry is because the guilty parties (whether that be Ron, Tommy and/or Misty) are already behind bars and they have ALL the time in the world to make their case for murder charges. But it SURE is frustrating for us who love Haleigh and would like to see her get justice and a proper burial!
Kate,
I think I no the one even tho I did’nt no there was no posting it here.
But I think I did hear Cobra mouth saying it.
Thanks for the warning I would have posted it here if I find it.
b*a – yeah, I think it was OJ who brought us that news flash earlier today! LOL Lovely mugshot to boot…..doesn’t look ANYTHING like how I had him pictured.
Kate…you can go to the Putnam Co Sheriff’s department website and see pics of the most recent arrests….WBG is one of them! Arrested today I believe.
Yeah… his hair has grown out some! Him and Ron in the same motel!!
Kate,
I think you missed one. The woman who took the letter to the reporter with directions of where Haleigh.
Well Mr. Werter, Tommy’s lawyer is going to be on JVM today, and surely the lawyer is not going to lie. According to Levi Page he has bombshell news he is going to tell. What do yall think?
You can go to:
http:// public .pcso . us / jail / booking . aspx
Just copy and paste and take out the spaces. There is a guy named Crites that will make you laugh (or give you nightmares). Sheeeewww doggies he is scary looking! LOL
Anyone have the site to putnam county jail???
I think I rate Levi along with Watts they both blow little tid-bits up. then throw bomb shell news out like AH to hope someone of their listening audiance catch it.
But they have sorouces to back them.
Found it.
Karri, I think that you overestimate lawyers, especially this one. Attny Werter seems completely on board with Steven K. Brown, who was hired by Marie/Johnny Sheffield, who also hired Art Harris, who pumps Nancy Grace and Jane VM with “information,”… the connections are actually quite clear here.
And that telephone call from Tommy to granny Flora? Let’s remember that Art Harris has been in touch with Flora Hollars for months and months, and Granny can’t quite remember where she heard this story or that detail.
Totally agree Linda.
All i can say is if this is Levi Pages bombsheel news Mr. Werter is going to release then its not so much a bombshell,its all over the net.
Why would Tommy’s lawyer be putting out all this info out to the public in the middle of a missing child investigation? Grounds for future appeals for inept council?
Linda, good point, the mysterious woman who dropped off the letter. Art Harris posted that on his website, too, didn’t he? Was there any follow-up from LE, digging or searching or such?
WhyLie, Tommy’s lawyer is putting out all this info to the public because he is on Team Maternal Family. They want the general public to believe that HaLeigh is dead and get over it and forget. He is part of the “now we’ll make it look like JO did it.” But JO would have been arrested by now, for pete’s sake, since Ronald and Misty have been fingering him since day one or shortly thereafter.
The only person I have heard threats out of is Ron. Ron on tape with Cobra early in the case talking about the boat ramp and the gators and thinking Haleigh is there. Well gee if I thought my daughter was in there I would demand it be searched. Ron was implicating Joe of this and now we have Tommy saying the same exact story all over again a year later. Seems really strange to me. jmo
When I went to the PCSO site to look at Greg Page’s arrest I sidetracked to the “Unsolved Crimes” page. HaLeigh Cummings is not mentioned on that page at all, niether as a Missing Person nor as a Homicide. Am I misreading the page or is she really not listed there?
Yeah, Greg Lewis Page sure does look different than he did in the Art Harris interviews! And his bond for the drug trafficking charge is $0. Does this mean he is not eligible to get out on bond, like Tommy?
In response to a person asking how someone can kill a child w/o shedding blood in a short period of time
crychoid crushing airway access by blunt force
a fist to the temple area requires less than 15 lbs pressure
severe blow to back of neck severing nerves causing immediate respiratory failure
there are more ways but that’s enough to get the picture
Tommy’s story is full of holes.
I think Ron relayed this story along with other stories to Tommy and Misty in the beginning. This story was the one Tommy says Lindsy has heard so it was discussed at some point before now. jmo
Linda, Jan and Simon are really nice about the not posting about “him and his site,” so don’t worry if you “make a mistake.” They’ll be kind, respectful and polite about it. Also, in the telephone conversation that you can listen to that we were talking about, it most certainly is Cobra saying that!
Thank you, Justice~ Have all the kids been down to visit Tommy in jail? I don’t remember seeing the little girl.
Thanks for the heads up regarding JVM and Tommy’s lawyer coming up tonight. I am ashamed to say that I am eagerly awaiting any new details.
Nancy Grace is supposed to talk about the case tonight, too.
tobias the story Ron told Cobra about JO and the gators, was the story that Tommy told him(Ron) and Ron was relaying that story to Cobra.
JB, whew, Crites is scary looking, or sad. Looks to me like somebody was really bad to him when he was a kid, burns or something. Sad, and creepy.
CathyJo63 said,in May 14th, 2010 at 1:34 pm gotta go get Dakota,bbl guys,i keep losing my connection………..
omy.LoL Theres alotta connections lost in Satsuma too rofl!
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omg cat…your evil
Kate , Cobra has been on here saying to beware of you know who because he does things with the tapes. Like he changes the questions he is asking to match the answers he wants.
example: If I first ask you something I want a yes for I then change what I asked you so it sounds like you are agreeing with me. That is also why his name or info is not allowed on here. He is bogus. jmo
homespain, Tommy’s story sure is full of holes. What do you make of it?
LOL, never heard Cobra answer a simple yes or no to any question. He has looooong answers with lots of details.
Homespain….didn’t you say there would be arrests this week? Was that just wishful thinking or did you really think (or know) there would be arrests this week? Just curious! We’re all SO anxious for SOMEONE to be held accountable. I was really hoping you had the inside track and knew about an upcoming arrest as you indicated last week in your post.
Kate,
I really don’t like to read AH. report he made along time ago. all I remember is this lady came out of no where and left just the same if cops try track her down i don’t think it made the news .
tobias, maybe we can figure out a way to discuss him somewhere else, lot’s to be discussed.
Linda, well, I certainly agree about AH!
Tobias, really want to take this up w you somewhere else; I will try to figure out how, maybe you have an idea?
bbl
JB Yes to all your questions. And I don’t dictate the actual speed at which things happen.
I do think that things have to be done in a systematic way to ensure justice that is immune to potential appeals. There has been so much obfuscation that it is imperative to demonstrate that any statements meets the necessary criteria so that someone is found guilty legitimately. Not being cryptic at all here. I think you all are anxious, as I am, to know everything, and see an immediate conclusion.
More so,I want this done right. I don’t see it going on too long.
Haleigh will get Justice.
Sorry I do not believe anything TH has to say he is totally nutz imo
I wonder if Mistys tape to GH will get released? I am sure it will be heavily redacted but it should have been released too.
I would like to see what she adds to the story . jmo
Tobias,
I’m not saying I blieve TH. I listen and read alot I don’t beleive. ,how do we no hes nuts.
I am more interested in the things people say to TH. To me that is the important part. Things people say out of their own mouths, not he said, she said, stuff.
TH is nutz, he’s the biggest looney toon there is: just a snip from his BIO.
Oh, my God, not this place again!
A squealing roar permeates the entire abyss where I am trapped. Another specter runs up and assaults the baby-monster, biting into its toes and grinding them around in its teeth. The sound of squealing and crunching bones is audible as blood squirts all over, then turns into feces. Then, in an instant, the baby becomes a real human again. “What are you looking at f—ker,” it says. Then as suddenly, I am inside of its intestines.
“Get attached to your eyes,” I hear a voice saying to me. “Try to get attached to your eyes! Let in the light. Let in the light! Get to the light!”
The shrill noises are becoming deafening. The specters are excreting on each other and eating it. They are engaging in sexual acts with instruments. They are raping and torturing each other. They are licking their fingers and giggling – they laugh and they cry – there is no up, down, or horizon. One of them tells me he wants to live inside of my bones, un-peels a banana, and then politely offers me a bite – his skin turns to banana peels – there are maggots on him that I can smell, and I can ‘taste’ the smell.
It is truly the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
“Your eyes Tim, your eyes,” I hear again. I know the only escape from this horrible place is through my eyes because the light is on the other side of them. I begin to hear a chant that gets faster and faster as if tapping a well; “Your eyes, your eyes, your eyes, your eyes, your eyes, your eyes…”
Wham!!! I am pulverized by a huge wave of light and my back arches up like I have been electrocuted. My eyes flip and flutter as light pours into me like oxygen into someone who has been underwater for several minutes.
“Oh thank God!” I try to say. I can’t really talk, though. Nothing on me works properly anymore. There’s no one in charge. I have been relegated to an observer of my own death. I am allowed to participate with my body for only very brief moments.
The sight of the ceiling, windows, and toddler bed in the room are evidence that I am back on earth. I make a weak fist and try to slam it into my chest. I somehow know I am having a heart attack and I am trying to give myself CPR – I just keep gasping.
My body is convulsing.
I attempt to thrust my right arm across my body in a failed effort to create enough momentum to roll myself off the bed. I am trying to fall onto the cold hard floor where it is harder to drift or ‘sleep.’ I have been drunk for over a year straight with no break and I weigh about 85 pounds. My arm just flaps and dangles. I want to cry but that requires energy my body does not have, and I am so dehydrated I would have no tears anyway.
I am so, so alone.
Lying there I can feel my bladder and bowels have been emptied into my pants. It means absolutely nothing to me.
“Don’t shut your eyes, Tim,” I hear again. I know if my eyes stay closed I will remain in that place forever. I have known that for the past three days now as I have departed and returned to my body over and over – I am dying.
I am dying – and I am going to hell.
The Nut Ward
How my body got to the phone in the other room is a mystery. The ambulance ride is a vague memory. I arrive at what the locals call “the third floor.” It is the nut ward of the Northwest Medical Center in Thief River Falls, Minnesota.
“You don’t have much longer to live,” the doctor says. “Your liver never stops trying to clean your blood. You’re going to die, soon.”
From my plastic mat on the floor where I lay in paper pajamas, the tall dark figure in front of the opened steel door speaks to me, glancing up and down from his clip-board. I am deeply medicated to keep me from convulsing or having a heart-attack, so the octaves of his voice are fluctuating and waning as he speaks. “When they brought you in here last night they tried-tried- tried to test your blood alcohol content but the digital lab equipment couldn’t read it. It only reads up to .49 nine-nine-nine-nine,” he says. “You’re going to die die-diiiiii-Die-diiiiiiii.”
My life before this rubber-room was a dizzying kaleidoscope of sinful consumption, sexual immorality, and moral lawlessness, not to mention physical and spiritual sloth. I was a selfish pig of a human being. In all truth, I had a demon in me, and these warnings of impending death meant nothing.
However, this was different.
New article……
who is TH?
Kate- Even if Tommy’s tape is redacted, I think he’s making up that he has a concern for his kids. Can anyone imagine staying in that neighborhood after something happens like that? Timmy and his wife alluded to that as part of their reason for moving out of state. Even if he didn’t leave the state but felt his family was threatened- at worst Jo would be crocodile food.
If he was present in the mh and claiming Jo did what he did, I’d expect to see Jo’s prints or dna to show up in the bedroom and elsewhere.
There is a new technology where the prints themselves can be analyzed chemically and shows if there is drug use. And if you find varying degrees or different chemicals in the prints and someone was supposed there only once, detect if there was drug use in the home potentially, and when. Potentially you can see if there is a pattern to the distribution of the prints that may show someone is searching for something, or in the bedroom where they shouldn’t be. That can be helpful detecting the veracity and innocence, or potential guilt of someone.
Allot of people also have posted their idea as well on the various scenarios.
What are your thoughts?
Paged,…Gotta go… on call
New Article Folks…. 😀
Just One @ 3:57, the article (part of which you copied and pasted)is Tim’s reflecton on a near death experience he had years ago, a result of drinking for excess for a long time.
It is a well written article about his experience on the verge of death due to alcohol poisoning (fortunately he was able to make it out of his bedroom to a phone and call for help).
TH is probably just as sane, if not more so, than you and anyone else who tries to discount him by claiming he is ‘nuts’.
Notice by now that Misty, Tommy, etc. all describe Joe as F’ing crazy and that’s basically it??
If they were genuine they would use adjectives along the lines of “horrifying”, or at least the word “scary” if “horrifying” has too many syllables.
They have no fear of little Joe.
He is not a Napoleon Bonaparte.
Jason,
thank you for posting your reply to just one. I looked and looked couldn’t find one. If is indeed that of near life and death experiance and him being a reporter song writer what ever he is explains alot
Some may not agree with me but when I see Joe I see someone who has been beaten as a child.
Dogs react the same way, head down, blinking alot under stress, bad eye contact. Anger and fleeing when accused (thats what GH is experiencing when she asks him about Haleigh, only she isnt asking she is questioning his guilt she even says she thought it was him.) jmo
Tommy’s attorney is on JVM. I’m sure there is nothing new, but I’m gonna check it out. At least I like her better than NG. Levi Page is on as well.
So, Joe may be the guilty party. He has the history and record! Tommy may be guilty of just trying to get pills that night. Joe might of been the one to take advantage when Misty was passed out. Ron has always thought it was Joe but didn’t want to go to jail for doing something to someone who he was only 75% sure did it and spend his days wondering about the other 25% thinking that person could still be out there free.(he said that on record). How could Joe be that threatening to them? However, he was reportedly in his clothes that night sleeping and the van and him were gone when Timmy checked. And he hi-tailed it out of town that next morning. Joe’s aunt said (on record) that the cops have been staked outside his house 24/7. She wonders why that would be if he was innocent. So, there may be a lot to this. I sure hope so.
ronfan @ May 13th,12:18 pm; How do you know that Joe has a health disorder (schizophrenia, heart murmur, diabetes, etc.)?
Medical records are private (Hippa Act), but LE can gain access to them with a court order.
Have you accessed JO’s medical records?
Still catching up on reading these comments, there are so many I can hardly scroll my page, lol…
I wanted to say BSJ – on your post earlier on that explains the allegid dynamics, I really think you have it nailed. I do have one question. Someone is missing. If you have Tommy and Misty covering, then who did it? Also, who was in the background on the 911 call, and why was an officer already at Tommy’s house the night of the 911 call? Do you think the officer was a bad seed and thus messed things up from the start since that was the officer who responded and went to the mh first…???
I really appreciated your post. Oh, ya how does TN fall into place? Thanks and take care everyone. 🙂
This conversation sounds totally staged to me, like both Tommy and Flora are scripted. They are having trouble getting the words out, like they are reading their lines for the first time.
I know we’ve all moved on from this phone call but it is so goofy. Like you all said, this stuff about Tommy saying, “Don’t tell Joe,” and Flora says, “I won’t baby, I won’t,” and the next day and then for weeks following she is on every TV show that invites her. So Joe won’t know, because he doesn’t watch TV?
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