she’s not divorcing you?

thanks Simon Where the one with Misty?

Tobias, do you think the story of Ron coming home and then calling Tommy to help Misty is the accurrate story?

LFJ-
I do think thats the story, and he shut that down right away
I wonder what money he was refering to, for Linsey to get?

CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:21 am

she’s not divorcing you?

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Good morning friend, yes Lindsy has filed for divorce. This is an old tape. This is when Gramma Hollars first heard this story, before she was ever on TV. THis is before Lindsy went to Mass, and before Tommy took LDT, telling this story and then he failed it.
Lindsy, got enough and was done with the marriage when she found out Tommy lied again and failed the LDT. If I understand it right this is correct.

Chakara,I am wondering about the money too. Did you hear who it was suppose to be from?

I dont know what to think but PCSD would not release this if it were true. They would consider this evidence. jmo

I thought the money was from his parents?? Guess I will listen again..

This is probably what he said on the poly and it is a lie because he failed. When he had his come to jesus moment was after the poly I thought so thats when he led them to the boat ramp. And he is involved in this but how much?
Misty knows the whole truth and maybe Tommy only knows part of it. jmo

The real kicker is when he says he is worried for his family. Joe is in Tenn. not down the street and Misty sure isnt scared of him if she went to Tenn. in Oct. for 10 days. Tommy made this up to try and save his marriage. Lindsy was already threatening to divorce him and he is desperate. jmo

I like how Tommy uses the word “story”. Is he telling a story or telling the truth? My guess would be a fictional story.

Good morning/afternoon all…I too think that tommy is tryng to save hs friggin marriage. What a loser! I can’t help think that lynsey knows something as well and is covering her butt. She knows the game is about over, and she is afrad she will go down too and lose her freedom and her chldren. I guess some people just don’t get it. There is a baby missing/dead, and all they care about is their own butts. Poor Haleigh…lttle sweetheart will never know how wonderful life can be…never get to go to the prom, have a boyfriend, get marred, have babes, and live and love. My heart is so sad and broken. Bless her soul.Here come the tears, so I’ll say bye for now. hugs to all who love our little angel, and that includes the famly of this precious child.

treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 11:49 am CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:21 am

she’s not divorcing you?

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Good morning friend, yes Lindsy has filed for divorce. This is an old tape. This is when Gramma Hollars first heard this story, before she was ever on TV. THis is before Lindsy went to Mass, and before Tommy took LDT, telling this story and then he failed it.
Lindsy, got enough and was done with the marriage when she found out Tommy lied again and failed the LDT. If I understand it right this is correct.

Yes,I figured it out afterwards,lol

Gr888 point WhyLie!

Thank you very much Simon for what you do on the haleigh case.

tobias said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

The real kicker is when he says he is worried for his family. Joe is in Tenn. not down the street and Misty sure isnt scared of him if she went to Tenn. in Oct. for 10 days. Tommy made this up to try and save his marriage. Lindsy was already threatening to divorce him and he is desperate. jmo

WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

If any of the Croslins were afraid of what JO was capable of doing NONE of them would have thrown JO under the bus from day one.
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Exactly, to both of ya’lls posts

LFJ-
I think Timmy and/or Chelsea drove the van there is a record of a call from Misty to Timmy that night I believe they both Know the whole story and are involved jmo

vaquera said,in May 13th, 2010 at 12:21 pm tobias said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

The real kicker is when he says he is worried for his family. Joe is in Tenn. not down the street and Misty sure isnt scared of him if she went to Tenn. in Oct. for 10 days. Tommy made this up to try and save his marriage. Lindsy was already threatening to divorce him and he is desperate. jmo

WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

If any of the Croslins were afraid of what JO was capable of doing NONE of them would have thrown JO under the bus from day one.
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Exactly, to both of ya’lls posts

I’ll 3rd that motion!

Ronfan…if this is the case, he better put some lotion in a few other places too!lol

cathyjoe…LOL

WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

If any of the Croslins were afraid of what JO was capable of doing NONE of them would have thrown JO under the bus from day one.

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Good point!!!!

TOBIAS,WHYLIE, AND VAQUERA: What do you all not get here????

NO ONE IMPLICATED Joe in the beginning except PCSO..

Ron even lied about the fight over the gun, remember?
I’m sure Misty went to Tn to try and talk to family and Joe.

Tommy is not trying to finger Joe, it is so painfully obvious from his crying and tone that he is upset; Everyone has suspected him all along of some involvement, but I don’t think any of us has ever thought he had anything to do DIRECTLY with killing or harming HALEIGH.

JOE JOE JOE JOE.

Who doesn’t get the goings on of the drug world? If ur considered an snitch, anyone can get u; I’m sure Joe has PLENTY OF FRIENDS IN LOW PLACES….

WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVEN’T SAID ANYTHING UNTIL NOW. WHICH IS WHY PCSO USED THE DRUG STING TO GET THEM TO TALK. How in the heck could it have been true that they “cleared” him instantly, and ruled him out as a suspect?

why: To make him think he was OFF THE HOOK.

JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE
TOLDUSOTOLDUSOTOLDUSOTOLDUSO
HOPERONGETSAGUNANDGOESBLOW
STRAIGHTBETWEENTHEEYESOFJOE.

Ronfan- You said Joe is a schizophrenic. I am curious why you think that.

looking for justice, good to see you too. I can’t get here much, but try to check back periodically. It just gets crazier and crazier.

This is heartbreaking so far.

Misty implicated Joe in the voice stress test with Tim Miller
I think if their was even a shred of evidence that backs up Misty and Tommy’s story Joe would be in jail already

Also the FBI questioned JOE go back and look at past posts its there somewhere, I remember it because it was my main theory at the time.
Then I realised if I could figure out that theory so could LE AND THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER JOE. JMO

Sorry Ronfan, though I usually agree with your posts the Croslins did point the finger at Joe from the beginning. The van was moved so they said Joe had to have done it..well no, Tommy had keys to his own vehicle and he could have drove his pickup over there and parked down the road and got his van. A plainjane minivan is less noticeable than a red pickup..

I do find the timing of this released tape odd. Did they release it because nothing came of the search at the dock and LE doesnt think Joe is involved but just Tommy??

Ron is about to make a plea and testify against the others BUT what if this takes yet another twist and the others actually roll on Ron!!

I read the article on sky 97.3 about the court hearing in it they specifically say Ron is to testify about the drug case NOT HaLeigh, I think that might be a message to the others

hi all,

when it was said that ron would testify against the others…he wouldn’t be testifying on anything today that would/might implicate joe. anything said about the others today, would be with regards to the drug bust only.

if he were actually going to testify against the others in the haleigh case, that would be later on, whenever it came to trial.

so, neither joe, nor anyone else will be arrested today for something to do with the haleigh case, as a direct result of whatever ron says.

jmo

I think if this case was as easy as, “Joe did it” that Tommy and Misty would have told within 24 hours of being arrested. They have lied and hid this for 15 months just to protect Joe makes no sense. Then they tried to blame him and still failed LDT. My opinion is TC and MC are both just using Joe to blame to take the attention off their own guilt. IMO if Haleigh is dead TC is my #1 suspect. I don’t think he would lie at this high cost to protect anyone but his own selfish self.

Robin: Believe it, PCSO released it after they interviewed him the first time after Haleigh disappeared. He apparently has a history of mental illness, including schizophrenia.

treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 12:49 pm I think if this case was as easy as, “Joe did it” that Tommy and Misty would have told within 24 hours of being arrested. They have lied and hid this for 15 months just to protect Joe makes no sense. Then they tried to blame him and still failed LDT. My opinion is TC and MC are both just using Joe to blame to take the attention off their own guilt. IMO if Haleigh is dead TC is my #1 suspect. I don’t think he would lie at this high cost to protect anyone but his own selfish self.

Agreed!!

TC talks of being scared for his family one minute and the next he is saying “he can’t do nothing to us now” WELL TC’s kids aren’t locked up and protected….So just how scared is he for his kids and family??

CHAKRA7: Yes!!! I had that same info!! I had only 1 link, and the official statement PCSO made was saved on my favorite, and of course I can’t find it now. I was looking for it the other day for someone here.
Where did u get ur info from?

Def Timmy and Chelsea drove that van.

THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE TRYING TO TELL STORIES. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE TRYING TO LIE.

Ronfan-
are you asking about an official statement about the phone call –
because that was in an Art Harris article

Ronfan–How would Joe even be considered eligible to take a LDT then? I would think someone that has a mental illness and schizophrenia would not even be considered to take a LDT. And LE did clear him rather quickly in the early investigation, so it leads me to wonder why LE did this when he has a mental illness and all fingers where pointed in his direction early on. It boggles the mind actually. JMO

Ronfan-
if thats what your looking for CathyJo pulled it out and posted in the last thread?

I also read Treece,yesterday and posted it where Tommy’s son was scared of him,Ausin i believe?

I think that the statment analysis guy should get a copy of this phone call, and analyse it! It would be helpful.JMO

Why Ron is taking a plea deal:

All these people aren’t even HIS FAMILY, If he can actually hopefully get out of jail one day, then he will grab that chance.
His children come first, blood is thicker than water.
I am quite sure that once ur looking prison time in the face, loyalty flies out the window.

Flora relayed what she was told and her own theories. I dont believe she really knows the truth so her SA would reveal that. jmo

I really like Peter, and think he contributes, and gives alot to think about.

Shockwave said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

I don’t believe Tommy would just implicate JO like that. You could hear his voice shaking. Pent up feelings about the whole thing probably. He kept saying he didn’t have “nothing to do with none of it”, but this could just be how he see’s it. I think Tommy was brought in to help dispose of the body. Jo’s the murderer. Misty may have been there, but she didn’t help Haleigh out. Blanket was washed because it held Haleigh’s lifeless body in it, and Misty was trying to get rid of any evidence on it…mud, hair, the smell or remnants of river water, etc. Even the stupidest of the stupidest know you can’t just falsely accuse someone else who you know had nothing to do with the child’s death. Why would Tommy say no one was at home when he talked to Ron, because the Croslin’s and Overstreet were planning on telling Ron that Haleigh was abducted. I do not have a reason for Haleigh’s death, but I do believe Joe may be the one who did it. If Ron called Tommy at Tommy’s house then you know at that point at least, Tommy was not at Misty’s home until more than likely after he went there to find something happening. Why did Tommy implicate Misty when he said she was not home, because that is partly the truth, and it makes him look like he’s not guilty.
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Did the Croslins have a house phone or just a cell phone? No one has ever said.If just a cell phone then Tommy could have been at Ron’s for all we know.That would have been the time Ron was trying 20 something times to call Misty.

tobias said,in May 13th, 2010 at 1:28 pm Flora relayed what she was told and her own theories. I dont believe she really knows the truth so her SA would reveal that. jmo

Me either,she keeps changing it!

Ron’s 911 call: He did not know where Haleigh was, truly was a father who came home from work and learned his daughter was missing.

Yes – his daughter.

Right BEFORE he got on the phone with 911 and talked about just getting home from work, the operator heard him in the background talking about his daughter being gone, and immediately asked Misty to let her talk to him.

“I just got home from work” WAS NOT his first statement.

Misty had already told the operator that Haleigh was missing – Ron knew the operator had already been informed that Haleigh was missing.

VAQ, It just makes sense. This tape is not the real story and LE knows that and has for some time now. Why did they question Joe recently? Maybe so the others would feel their story was being believed. Like Ron maybe they wanted to see his reactions to this new story. jmo

Jason said,in May 13th, 2010 at 1:38 pm Ron’s high-pitched cry during the 911 call about not knowing what Haleigh was wearing because he wasn’t there, wasn’t fake. It was real – sounds like a primal scream.

As odd as it is,i agree….that is the one and only thing that seemed real to me Jaon!

its also the first and only time I heard Misty say “our Daughter” and she wasn’t even married to Ron then?
She always says….her b/f’s dtr even in the va!

I READ that it was Tommy’s attorney that released the tape at Jacksonville.com

Joe was given a poly early on by the FBI, I remember because it blew my theory right out the window. LE WOULD NOT RELEASE TAPES THAT WOULD BE USED IN COURT LATER. jOE IS NOT THE GUY AND THIS PROVES LE DOENT BELIEVE THIS STORY. JMO

Joe hides from the TV camera, but not shy about pointing the barrel of a gun on his myspace pic.

Tommy says “he has got to pay” (joe). His wife is in the back ground on the other phone screaming and crying. She says ” is it you?” Tommy says ” no it is not me, you (his wife) already know the story”. She says “is it the same story that misty is saying?” He says “yes.”

Sounds to me like his wife already knows the REAL story and thought that Tommy was going to go ahead and admit his part in this mess. But knowing that the phones are tapped, Tommy covers his butt real good and says that it is the same story that Misty is telling before his wife can say anything more to implicate him (for the whole world to hear). If she already knew the story, then why would she ask if it was him that did it? I guess she thought he was REALLY going to admit his guilt. Surely she would not be crying and screaming over Joe going prison.

Tommy failed his LDT right after this call also so the story about Joe is bogus. Tommy was in fear of losing Lindsy thats why he is crying. His whole life is falling apart.She wont even talk with him he has to call G Hollars to relay it to her. jmo

Chakra…

**snipped from Jacksonville.com

Werter said the recording demonstrates how Croslin Jr. came forward voluntarily to law enforcement despite threats toward him and his family.

The recording, however, could not be examined in full. Werter said the copy was redacted to remove phone numbers and discussions unrelated to Haleigh’s case.

Tommys lawyer cant get the tapes unless LE releases them first. jmo

CathyJo, I hadn’t heard that before but you are so right it is sad that Austin was scared of his dad. Tommy should be so ashamed of himself but that should have been a huge eye opener to Lindsy, too.

Tobias, Why would you think his attorney wouldn’t have the tapes?

Thanks Beautiful-
ya the call was defidently cut-

I think flora told the truth but she imbellished her interviews with her own thoughts and oppinions

PCSO went to TN immediately after Haleigh disappeared because Joey boy fled the freakin next day, and was in the vicinity at the time of the crime.

When LE was interrogating Joe, that is the precise time that the Croslins were talking. I’m sure they were counting on the fact that LE would have Joe tied,bound and shackled by that point.

Notice how right after he was cleared, everyone SHUTUP. I really thought that, give me some dates.

Yes, I know LE cleared him, who else would, my mama? Who said that?

Since LE brought up Joe again, (BECAUSE OF THE CONFESSIONS)THEN AND ONLY THEN HAVE OTHER CROSLINS STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIM AGAIN.
(like Ms. Chelsea)

OOOOhHHH Mizz Nancee gonna be plum crazzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeee tonight.

Tobias,

What is not true? The tape, the convo, or the fact that it is released?

beautiful, can you link that article,I can’t find it, thanks 🙂

Paraphrased, Chelsea said on NG that Flora had not been a part of her family for 7 years.

Was she even part of Flora’s extended family 7 years ago? She’s 23 or 24 now, so seven years ago she was just 16 or 17.

I looked everywhere. JO has not even taken a polygraph. He does not have to because there is no evidence linking him to the crime. He can agree to take one at this point, but he’s not going to because he knows he’s guilty.

Nice try, Werter.

I wonder if Tommy has cofessed or Misty? These tapes are not evidence any more since they are being released to the public. jmo

ronfan said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

PCSO went to TN immediately after Haleigh disappeared because Joey boy fled the freakin next day, and was in the vicinity at the time of the crime.

When LE was interrogating Joe, that is the precise time that the Croslins were talking. I’m sure they were counting on the fact that LE would have Joe tied,bound and shackled by that point.

Notice how right after he was cleared, everyone SHUTUP. I really thought that, give me some dates.

Yes, I know LE cleared him, who else would, my mama? Who said that?

Since LE brought up Joe again, (BECAUSE OF THE CONFESSIONS)THEN AND ONLY THEN HAVE OTHER CROSLINS STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIM AGAIN.
(like Ms. Chelsea)

OOOOhHHH Mizz Nancee gonna be plum crazzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeee tonight.
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before Joe left the night of the 10th he also put up missing posters around town with Misty. She didn’t look afraid of him then.She didn’t look like he had threatened to kill all of them and their kids..

Karri: Technically, yes. Tommy’s attorney is telling a truth. There is nothing Tommy directly states referring to anything Joe did. He doesn’t even call him by his name. Even him answering yes to GH when she says “It’s Joe, isn’t it” isn’t incriminating.
Smart move Tommy.
Remember, Tommy’s attorney stated on NG that Tommy did indeed call GH that Sunday night after his coming to Jesus moment with himself (Werter) and the P.I.
Reread the 3d paragraph of ur post. Very tricky, Mr. Werter.

WHO REMEMBERS THAT CREEPY POST THE NIGHT BEFORE EVERYTHING CAME OUT AND THE CASE WAS TURNED INTO A HOMICIDE: the person saying his dad had cracked the case and tomorrow it would come out. (his dad being the P.I.) OMG, how weird. That person is probably reading all this right now.

This call was made before the LDT Tommy wants his lawyer to come and talk with him. He is getting ready to take the poly and then with this info he fails it. Lindsy then comes home and finds out and really does divorce him. jmo

JASON YOUR POST AT 1:50 IS HILARIOUS AND AWESOME.
Now THAT’S a poser!! A real tool. Capt. D*B*, sorry but he’s probably the one with the “thug swagger”

In the audio with TC and G Hollars…”He can’t get to me and he can’t get to them now so they’ll take care of it”… I think TC maybe is saying “He” meaning Ron but then tried to throw GHollars off by agreeing it was Joe he was speaking of and agreeing it was that story when in reality it isn’t that same story that he is going to tell. Ron would be the “He” that “can’t get to me and he can’t get to them now”…Joe is out and free and can very well either get to TC’s kids and Lindsy or have it done…

Children who are abused go unsuspected of abuse because of their shame or thinking they are guilty. Maybe this is the same reaction from Misty. Maybe JO stuck around and passed out fliers out of guilt and to make it look like he was innocent. He didn’t stick around too long. Kinda like going to a family reunion you don’t want to go to, but you go to act like you want to, you eat, and leave shortly after. Did JO have a job to get back to? If he didn’t have a reason to go home (for example: work, school, etc.) any person who is caring would stick around as long as they thought they could be useful. So, does anyone know if JO had anywhere he needed to be?

What date did Tommy take his poly?
What date did he meet Jesus?
Is the date of the tape April 11?
I’m trying to get timeline to coincide with GH allegations.

I wish someone would bust into Joe’s myspace. Any hot blonds out there?

Sucker would prolly fall for it.

My point exactly Ronfan! RE: The audio evidence.

I am not going to pretend to know what happened to that precious little girl, but I certainly am not ruling Joe out of my suspicions yet!

Was Tommy supposed to be up this afternoon? Any news?

Niterbug said,Wonder if When TC says “He” in his mind he is thinking Ron but just lets GHollars keep believing it’s the Joe did it story
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could be, I used to swear Ron was innocent, but now i just dont know anymore. This is all so confusing, I find myself thinking about it right b4 i fall asleep every night.:(

Hate to sound like OJ but here goes. Joe is their scapegoat. We all discussed this all week even before we heard the tape we knew of its exsistence. And since it has been released LE finds it bogus also or would not have released it to us. jmo bbl

At Jacksonville.com… there is a photo of Ron and Tommy from court.

Niterbug… I agree. There is NO proof that Tommy was talking about Joe.

VAQUERA PLEEEEEEEEZ!!!!!!!

WOW, POSTERS….So did Monster Mommy. (tot mom)

Wow, what a super guy, such a great cousin and friend.

I guess Misty wasn’t “ascareded”, RONNIE WAS RIGHT BY HER SIDE.

Everyone knew Joe was scared sh**l*ess, and besides that, they were surrounded by tons of PCSO. NO ONE HAD IMPLICATED HIM YET, RIGHT?

EVEN Friends in low places ARE NOT gonna come get ya’ with the Po-Po’z round.

Cathyjo63
Sounded like Austin didnt want to get in the car with his dad, cause he was scared of the way he was acting at that time. Sounds like he was screaming and fighting with his own father, Hank Sr. If fighting and screaming is going on then of course a child is going to be scared, it was obv loud enough to get the police called. It didnt say he was scared of him all the time tho.

“did not want to go with his father because he was scaring him.”

Sounds like he was scaring him at the time of the altercation, not that the child was always scared of him, just at that time.

JMO- the way i interpreted it, no disrespect.

Don’t care what anyone says… why does Ron look smug in the photo? If it’s a smile, what is there to smile about?

ronfan said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

Tobias, the tapes are evidence, just because they have been released to public doesn’t mean it’s not evidence. Get ur blood sugar back up.
You slackin’.

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ronfan, I have always respected your loyalty to Ron and defense of his innocence but you are flat being rude today.
I think what tobias was saying is LE will NOT release any important info about the Haleigh case in these tapes being released about the drug bust.
Of course they are ALL evidence but LE is not going to let out any info of importance or that could compromise the Haleigh case.
Did you get that? Is your blood sugar ok?

Exactly Adams! Curious about that too!

treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
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I 100% totally agree, treece.
Thank you for stepping up to the plate on this “subject” !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hear****Hear**** Treece!

Children who are abused go unsuspected of abuse because of their shame or thinking they are guilty. Maybe this is the same reaction from Misty. Maybe JO stuck around and passed out fliers out of guilt and to make it look like he was innocent. He didn’t stick around too long. Kinda like going to a family reunion you don’t want to go to, but you go to act like you want to, you eat, and leave shortly after. Did JO have a job to get back to? If he didn’t have a reason to go home (for example: work, school, etc.) any person who is caring would stick around as long as they thought they could be useful. So, does anyone know if JO had anywhere he needed to be?

Hi cent, so good to see you today!!!!!

I think Joes the scapegoat too!
who knows if they all didn’t plan this and came to florida knowing jo’d be there too as a scapegoat!
Sure he looks suspicious but like i said yesterday,he’d look suspicios eating icecream!

Shockwave @ 2:35, yes – during the call, Tom wants Flora to not tell others; he wants his attorney [and LE?] to know first.

Tobias,thats a really good point too about why he left so soon and wasn’t he on probation?

Where in history has someone in jail blamed someone else for a murder they weren’t even remotely involved in? Even CA made up someone rather than saying, oh, my brother who molested me did it. JO needs to be given a polygraph. Tommy and Misty said he was involved, and he was in town a left. That is enough to give JO a poly.

All this really proves is tha GGMa Flo wasn’t lying about getting those calls from jail that Tommy and Misty told her JO did it. What I am really wondering about, is why after the search, Lyndsy filed for divorce. She knew about Tommy’s claims that JO did it. I don’t think she knew the whole story that came out after this call.

Jo not Tommy,lol sorry

I know Misty has pointed to Joe from the start,even wondering if Tommy had something to do with it.Ill bet if we could see what she said on interrigations we would se she tried to lead LE to the true culprit,but was only guessing her self.

Le has had their eye on her from the start,because she was the cartaker that night of the children.An that logical.

The realeased Misty for a yr to roam free,because they did not believe she was the actual killer,but knew something.As Joe is still free,untill they get him busted on somthing ,where they can get at him.Or untill all evidence lines up.ILL BET THEY ARE WORKING ON IT NOW.hARDY SAID HIS SELF,WHEN ASKED ABOUT jOE,HE SAID WELL HES LAWYERED UP,that means we can only go so far,untill we have all the proof we need for an arrest.The PI believed Tommy.Enought to state he broke the case,in a interview!!

When pressure came from higher up aimed at the investigaton,an why no arrest,An going from Cobra when released his uc recording to LE about the goings on with the drug people,an what they said at the motel.Le gave it back to Cobra or who ever,(acting like well what ever)But in fact the listened,because they did the same thing Cobra said he wanted to do,is get Misty caught with enough drugs,to set a high bond on her to get anwsers.

While in jail,she wrote the letter,an we see she again implicated Joe,an her own brother,as she had from the start.People,LE just didnt listen.

She also as Tim Miller said showed him 4 spots when they road around,an her spent 12 days with Ron,an Misty.That she believed Tommy,or Joe may have went,when smoking rockor could have placed Haliegh,the river where they just searched being one of the spots.This when his LDT CAME ABOUT.

NOW WE SEE AFTER THE EXPERENCE ldt giver The ex FBI,man good at getting confession,an to the truth.Tommy let it all out.To him,his lawyer,an then days later to PI.Now why would a man go as far as that,when he knows it would be proven,or not proved.Implicating his own self in the crime,as accssery,to the fact.That crime alone has long term yrs tied to it.

If Joe had taken a LDT when LE questioned him in the beginning.His Attorny would be screaming that from the roof top,or on news shows,like NG. ((Like my clients has already been cleard from taking a LDT))

In fact many wernt given LDT,Crystal was never given one,she told that in a video,interview.An she could have been a suspect also.I think the only tested the ones at home like Ron,Misty,In the first few days,Joe,had only been questioned,then halled azzzz when his ride got there..An lawyered up the min he got back to Tenn.

WHY did he lawyer up soon as he got home,was it his moms advice,because she knew her son was rough,an could be in trouble.If he has nothing to hide,step to the front,an clear his name.Take a LDT that LE value the rsults so much..Poor Misty took them over,an over.Trying to clear hers,i think nerves blew her test,in her mind guilt,because she was keeping Haliegh,an she went missing on her watch.An everyone looking at her,all the media bull.Thats her stresser to fail,because most of what she told them,is like us theorys.

Just because Joe is a little fellow, doesnt mean he cant be violent,an dangerious. An even more so if drug induced,specialy on crack,if he was somking that night.Misty said Tommy someked it in the woods sometimes,so he an Joe could have road aroung getting high,ran out,of dope an money.An the the thought of stealing the assualt gun came in to play.An away to Ron house they went.

I was told that in the morning when dogs hit on a sent.That they followed sent to tiny foot print area,back tracked the loop trail in woods,went around a block to CSX rrs track,an lost sent.That were someone could have park waiting on who ever,or took Haliegh an ran jumped into parked van/truck,an took of to where ever.

Tommy did have a teary vioce,an sounded like he was over it,wanted it off his chest.

Karon, I think Lindsy’s straw was when she found out Tommy failed the LDT and had hid some knowledge about Haleigh.
BBL hope you are all having a good day.

Then again if Tommy did tell police what he knew, why has there still not been any arrest???? I am so confused.

Because they have not found any hard evidence to link JO to the murder, but I feel they have enough to give him a polygraph test.

Jason said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

Skinny, gun obsessed kid. His weapons could be the equalizers, Tobias.
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Or Tranquilizers!

There is no proof any where that Joe had any weapons on his vacation. He would not be allowed to have a gun because he is on probation. jmo

If I was facing a possible sentence for assisting a murderer then I would be more scared of that than whether or not my wife (husband in my case) is threatening to leave me. I mean, I’m in jail and I’m already separated from my family. Misty had already talked. He didn’t have a choice at this point, but to tell the truth. He knew Lindsy heard the truth from Misty first, which makes it all that much more emotional for Tommy.

‘Guns not allowed on probation’, might explain why it was ditched?

People on probation have been known to break the rules of their probation. If JO was on probation, why the heck was he out of state?

You can go on vacation as long as you check in and get permission. you have to have a leaving and return date for the PO. JMO

Shockwave–Go look at the case of Ryan Ferguson in Missouri if you want to see a case that someone implicated a person in a crime. Get on youtube and look up 48 hours mystery and the “Dream Killer” case. This case alone makes me distrust LE, and their tactics.JMO

yes Tobias,if u tell them,lol

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7065.80
the link with pix of him putting up sighns!

sighns!

signs,lol goshhhhh

Ok so is everyone now dismissing the story that Joe, Misty , and Tommy were all there to steal the gun? Cause most r pointing to joe now, and Tommy just walking in on it. i just dont think joe had anything to do with Haleigh. What about the stealing the gun story? has that just gone out the window?

jo is the scapegoat Karry,jmo

bbs

CATHY, All they need is a drivers license. It would come up and they would call it in. Look at the PCSD site they catch everyone on outstanding warrents, probation violations, everything. Joes friends car was also searched so he had no weapons. jmo

Ron Fan

Did Tommy go to court today?

And really they dont need Ron to testify its all on tape. what could he add to that? lol jmo

I can see it now Ron on the stand testifying against Misty. Really would it look good for the prosecuter to have a grown man who was also in the drug sting to testify against a 18yr. old girl? Think about it. jmo

No doubt Sara Jane. Ron is not without his faults in all of this. I just don’t believe he killed his child. He may have put her harms way to be murdered, but he didn’t kill her.

According to AH ‘sources’ Chelsea or Lindsy (not sure which without re-reading the articles), Misty OFTEN called for help from her family, and they would go to the MH to pick her up and take her away from Ron.

In the police report for the fight between Ron/Tom/Hank at Annettes MH, in which Misty was punched by both her father and brother, her dad told police that he didn’t want to make a statement about what happened because he DIDN’T WANT TO MAKE MISTY MAD, but that he would if called to testify in court.

Misty claimed Tom called her repeatedly during the day, and that she told him to not come to Annette’s MH, but Tom said she called for help, because Ron was assaulting her.

Hank didn’t want to make Misty mad, so he didn’t make a statement . . .

Shockwave… like most of this cases… only the guilty really know the whole truth!

And sad to say, in this case… there are just way to many lies and liars to know what is the ‘whole truth’.

But, a child is missing presumed dead. A tiny child is dead… that is just heart wrenching to hear – let alone know.

It will be interesting to see just who LE did talk to the first day, who was questioned, who was just given forms to fill out.
Since JO was staying in Crescent city I don’t think LE would have even questioned him as a witness, until the Croslins threw him under the bus, then FBI flew to TN and questioned him.

Shockwave said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

People on probation have been known to break the rules of their probation. If JO was on probation, why the heck was he out of state?
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you can get a pass from your PO to go just about anywhere.There isn’t a law saying you can’t leave you just can’t leave without permission.

I am sure PCSO ran Joe through some kind of check and if on probation and out of town without permission he wouldn’t have gotten to go back to TN and TN knew he was down there after Haleigh disappeared so he must of had permission or wasn’t on probation.

Don’t we all want to believe our wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend would NEVER hurt our child?

Makes sense for Ron to say “Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer”, and endeavor to keep Misty close/closer.

Joes Page one month after Haliegh went missing,Top says IF YOU DONT REMEMBER IT,IT DIDNT HAPPEN. STRNGE THING TO SAY.stats High

Well Tom could have stole the first small gun from Ron,blaming it on Joe,Tom is accused of other gun theifs.

Or Joe,liking gun,could have talking the hand gun thinking it would fll on Tom,because he to liked guns.Sombody stashed the the small gun,stolen from Ron.An Hank got on Joes butt about it,all night according to Ron.

So this could have been a start off as a theift for the assult gun,an it just turned bad.

I just dont think Ron,or Misty hurt that baby.Other than being drug addict care takers.I dont believe Ron molested her,or abused her.

I think Marie Griff was making the calls to DFS.Accusing Ron,they were after the children,an she sure as crap wasnt paying her part in raising them.How many people have dont this when in a custody war.

I think she was happy to be back with Ron,an loved all children.Just because we see shes brave when high,selling a few pills,doesnt make her a cold callious child killer.

An accident,unless her fault i think she would have called Ron,TN,GG Sykes,or 911.Either one of those men are the culprit,or A outsider.

He knew how she was around his babies,he must have trusted her with them.Mistake maybe,or just something that happened out of their control.

MOP after reading,an seeing all videos.An from knowing how crazy things can get After a child murder,as we went through one our self.(2yr old murdered)

Theres a beautiful innocent child still missing,an 15 months later still no charges,on anyone,except for drugs.Not a body,bone,her neclace,or anything found.

We have went over,an over again many theories,im sure LE reads these blogs.But still no arrest.

So either they are still building a case,for an arrest,or they have nothing but,these people going down for HARD LONG TIME that i dont think fits the amount,or crime,of how it went down.

I think the bonds set all had to do with Halieghs case,as we see many not on those type bonds,Rons,an Mistys are off the charts,compaired to child rapest,muderers.These are only POI,not accused of the crime by the law.

ANYTHING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PRESICIOUS CHILDS CASE IS ALRIGHT

MOP,ONLY

I didn’t knoow that jason,she vouched for tom?
Well,thats good! lol

Jason said,in May 13th, 2010 at 4:24 pm Don’t we all want to believe our wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend would NEVER hurt our child?

Makes sense for Ron to say “Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer”, and endeavor to keep Misty close/closer.
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I totally agree there too Jason,if my daughter had known her b/f would take her dads life she’d have never been with him,ya know?
Her dads family blame her big time but she didn’t know that!!!! Her guilt alone did enough damage! let alone his family and i can understand they were hurt,heck we all were and still are!

tobias said,in May 13th, 2010 at 3:48 pm CATHY, All they need is a drivers license. It would come up and they would call it in. Look at the PCSD site they catch everyone on outstanding warrents, probation violations, everything. Joes friends car was also searched so he had no weapons. jmo

Right Tobias!

I do too Jason,anyone who tells the truth is AOK wiff me,lol

CathyJo @ 4:33, yes – at the most your daughter knew they didn’t get along. She couldn’t predict that her husband would kill.

exactly right Jason! who did?
I never thought it,Though i always thought he’d kill her though! very abusive!

CathyJO

Did Tommy go to court today?

Those police scans ,running system checks sometimes fail.I seen it in the new,ive seen where they let prisoner,out by accident,it didnt show in the System,he had a hold on him,a accused murder,a second state,the released him,an then had to turn around,An go on a madssive man hunt.

A woman gets pulled,she shows no DL,they write her a ticket,on her imfo An she rolls on out.They had her in the system also,but it didnt show.She slid through that one,only to turn her self in later,an beat the case.I was in the car with this woman,had no idea she was in trouble in another state.Untill she called after she turned her selk in.Icould have went to jail for aiding,an abiding.

But systems fail,in tracking them sometime.Unless a(( NCIC)) search is done,state wide,then they usual catch the violator.Many officers,only run the state,search,on a person,not state wide.which is the NCIC

Jan57, I believe Ron really loved Misty. It was probably very hard for him to even think of her as possibly the enemy, but for Haleigh he did.

turned what money down homespain ??

In the article by Dana Treen in the Jacksonville.com. It stated that Tommys Lawyer Werter had this video released to prove Tommy did not give G. Hollers the vital info.
It also says that the negotiations were stalled on Wednesday with the state for Rons testimony against his co-defendants.Ron wants in exchange if this happens not to be sentenced until after the Croslins.

Ron’s explanation for ‘ratgate’: Wants to see how well Misty can lie.

Makes sense.

Lie detection through eye reading, ratgating, statement analysis, reading body language, lie detector testing.

CathyJo it was on the Cobra tapes.

ohh was it,Thanx!!
I didn’t hear it,what did you make of it Looking?

I took it as Werter wanted the public to know that he told us the truth about Tommy. That he is not the one who murdered Haleigh,but Tommy knows who did. Madj is correct and I am glad she pointed it out that Tommy neve said Joes name;G.Holler did and Tommy went with it.

I am actually thinking hard on that one right now,
I do think that he did it because of Flora and what she has been saying,on the side of Tommy…………I honestlty don’t know yet!

I also wondered what stalled Rons negotiations with the state?

CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

lol shockwave,that was my point,someone was tho because they had to get back before the parole officer knew? I dunno,maybe i dreamed it,lol but i swear i read it….lol

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No you did not dream it. I read it to sometime at the beginning. It said Joe called his girlfriend to come get him early and get back to TN asap because he did not have permission to leave the state. LE checking him out would not show that info. Just seeing that he is on probation would not tell all the terms of his probation. Unless his state found out and issued a warrant LE in Florida wouldn’t necessarily know that he didn’t have permission to be there.

CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

do you guys remember wwhen the subject ccame up about a tape that said ron and misty were caught saying,”tI think they are onto us”?
it just popped in my mind but i never head if it was true or not!
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That is what Cobra said that he has on tape at MeeMaw’s Restaurant. I still want him to play that tape for us. That is the same conversation that Cobra says Ron had NG on speed dial.

Simon, please get that tape for us!!! TIA

Treece, I agree. Not to mention that PCSO was to busy questioning Misty that first day to do much questioning of anybody else. I can not wait for Sunshine laws to kick in so we can see exactly who LE questioned and who they didn’t.

I agree Tobias the tapes spell it out they wouldn’t need additional testimoney- somethins funny here jmo

LFJ @ 5:12 pm, During the call, Tom was about to tell Flora, but ended up agreeing with her when she said Joe.

She said Joe first; he affirmed.

If he was about to tell her someone other than Joe, then he would have, as his intent was to tell her.

Tom agreed with Flora.

Hide a gun in a ditch, drive by on the way out of town to pick it up. Maybe.

see you all tomorrow. Have a nice night.

LFJ, Tom had plenty of opportunity after he agreed with Flora, to dis-agree.

He didn’t disagree with her, and didn’t want her to tell yet, as he wanted to tell his attorney [and LE?].

G’nite LFJ – BBL.

Tommy goes to trial June 20th per first coast and June 23 per Jax. Nothing else was said about Tommy’s in court today. They did make a big stink about the audio with grandma Flora H.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/5pm/default.aspx

5PM Video Report has the update: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=85486361001

Also, Levi will be on JVM at 7PM. Haleigh coverage.

Miss Betty – I have scanned the posts and I don’t think anyone knows – it has been asked a few times. I will keep looking. I am also curious about Tommy’s court date.

treece said,in May 13th, 2010 at 5:22 pm CathyJo63 said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

do you guys remember wwhen the subject ccame up about a tape that said ron and misty were caught saying,”tI think they are onto us”?
it just popped in my mind but i never head if it was true or not!
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That is what Cobra said that he has on tape at MeeMaw’s Restaurant. I still want him to play that tape for us. That is the same conversation that Cobra says Ron had NG on speed dial.

Simon, please get that tape for us!!! TIA

Ty Treece,I’d like to hear it too,I will try to find it for us!

Unedited phone call between Flora and Tommy 8)

http://www.centralmediaserver.com/WTEV/wtev2010/STJ02-34-20100411195112.wav

Hi everyone,
Art Harris just dropped his big “bombshell” on JVM. Lindsy filed for divorce from Tommy. Lol
How far behind is he anyway? Cracks me up.

does anyone know how court w/TOmmy went?

I havent heard anything yet has anyone else?

Tommy did this, I have no doubt, and is trying to blame JO for Tommy’s crime against a little innocent child.

Whats his excuse for after Joe was in Tenn. he could have talked at any time why wait and let the whole family go through hell? It makes no sense. jmo

And Misty never would have gone to Tenn. for 10 days, after she had pointed at Joe on her stress test and the van too. jmo

Karon said,in May 13th, 2010 at 6:33 pm If Tommy was living in fear for his children and his wife, I wonder why he didn’t stay home at night and look after them. Instead, we know what he was doing.

Exactly right Karon,Tommy is a ME ME ME Guy!

Fear,the wrath of God maybe!
Idiot!

It’s very strange there is nothing about how Tommy made out in court today. Something doesn’t seem right.

ok,lemme guess,he ties Haleigh,gets a brick,carries Haleigh,shuts the van doors all with a gun in his hand,o geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

There is a reason for that jailhouse audio coming out, at this time. I wonder if some charges are coming down in Haleigh’s disappearance. This is, also, taking a long time for news of Tommy’s court appearance this morning to come out. I wonder what is going on.

I don’t believe that Tommy was forced at gunpoint to go down to the river with Joe to dispose of Haleigh’s body. Why would he want a witness? This doesn’t make any sense, unless he was too messed up to drive. Nothing about this whole case makes any sense. I don’t know why I keep expecting these people to make sense.

Yes WhyLie,he daggone sure did! that guys an idiot,scared of JO,Him…………why i’d make toast of that little germ with my hands tied!

Cause Karon,you’re no diff than we are……but to catch these idiots yaa gotta think like an idiot!

Lindsy is really in trouble to since she was giving him an alibi after 10. And Chelsea said Joe was at her house until she went to bed late.jmo

tobias, they all need to be charged.

I think Werter gave that statement BECAUSE he knows Tommy is about to be charged.

Remember the Blogger that came here a few days ago and said charges would be made when Tommy and Ron went to court? Maybe she really did know something. Lets hope Justice for Haleigh will come soon.

Like Ron’s lawyer said, they don’t have anything to work with. Lies and drugs, lies and drugs, and more lies and more drugs. I am so disgusted with these people.

OMG Vaq,I hope you’re right!

Would Misty lie for Tommy? I dont think so.But if he threatened to kill his whole family maybe she would. But after she was in jail she would tell it all. jmo

vaquera, the same reason they charged Casey with a lesser crime until they had all they needed to charge her with murder.

CathyJo:
I have been accused of thinking like an idiot before, but I can’t get quite stupid enough to figure these people out.LOL I get to the point that I can’t take it, at times.

The Anthonys have not been charged with any of the lies they told and don’t think they had gun in play.

Flora certainly wasn’t too ‘borderline retarded’ to relay messages between Lindsy and Tommy.

Karon said,in May 13th, 2010 at 7:03 pm CathyJo:
I have been accused of thinking like an idiot before, but I can’t get quite stupid enough to figure these people out.LOL I get to the point that I can’t take it, at times.

LoL Karon,I shoulda figured them out a long time ago then,lol

I don’t word for word but close enough Tobias,Yes I do!!!!!!!!!!!!

now we have to think why she’d lie for tommy?
seems simple but can’t be,something either she helped or?

is flora laughing or crying?

Just find a HGM post sometime and press on her name it will take you to it I think. I use my link on my e mail. jmo

ohh,really Tobias,hmmmm ty

I have to agree, they wouldn’t release this tape if this was the entire scenario since it’s still an ongoing investigation,
Why does HLN just release little snipets of the tapes? I’m not bothering to watch NG. She gets under my skin. Listening to her is like nails scraping across a chalk board.
HGM has a site? I didn’t realize that. I remember her saying something about it, but never did see it. Would someone be kind enough to provide a link if possible?

Misty states she was three feet from Haleigh the last time she saw her. Any change from that now is suspicious. I want to know why?

But, she doesn’t have to say anything now. She’s lawyered up and knows what she can play the silent defense or make up things or tell the truth with her rights intact.

When I think I have this case all figured out, I am checking into a hospital. The lawyers don’t even make sense.

I would like to see our old theories again,lol

I have seen everything in this world,i swear i have but i never heard an ole lady say the F word so much in my life,well at all really!

Tommy is upset on the call because he flunked the lie detector test and was called on it. He knows Lindsy is going to leave him when she finds out.
Also, why would he be afraid of Joe when Joe was in Tennessee? If they came to steal a gun and didn’t find it, how did Joe threaten him with a gun?
Lastly, Misty gave up Joe to the police the next day or so ….she wasn’t too afraid of him! I personally think Joe,Tommy or both of them killed her and dumped her.

exactly Jean,but i am certain now Tommy had a big hand in it!

I wasnt so sure before is what i meant to say Jean,lol but yea he figured out she was gonna divorce him anyway!

ahaaaaaaaaaaaa,ty Tobias!

I emailed HGM!

I can get there from my email site but I cant copy the site. sorry. jmo

bbib Teds home

Jaba, the police report states Misty, Butterbean, and Haleigh were in the same bed.

Tommy should have been a POI for LE from the start, even if they suspected Misty. He was there that day and could have easily unlocked that back door without Misty knowing it. LE should have been all over him. I can’t wait to read the questioning of Tommy, the dates that the questioning took place, and the depth of the questioning.

Thanks guys, I’ll try it from her email.
Tobias, your theory about the gators is not so far fetched. Yes, it’s absolutely sickening, but you have to throw out everything to get to the truth. We know most likely something horrible happened to her. Your theory is no worse than others. After all, they are the ones that said that river was like Lake Placid.
I really hope that’s not the case. I’m still not set on any one theory.

Well I took into fact that TM was not willing to search anymore. I believe he felt this is what happened too. After being around these people and how they were its easy to come to that and now we can see it since Ron even thought it. I just dont understand why he wouldnt go after Joe?Demand that area be searched? Its way too weird. jmo

Is this the real story? The one Ron talks about? Was this story relayed to him from Tommy? I find it really wierd that Tommy would tell Ron about it when this is supposed to be the place Haleigh really was. And why would he add the part about Joe saying it would be a great place to get rid of someone?
Something stinks bad with this story. jmo

Their lack of respect is disturbing, Jan57. Chelsea called into the NG show to call Flora a liar – and offered ‘proof’ Tom and Misty didn’t call Flora was that ‘there would be recordings’ of the jail calls.

She went on to say Flora hadn’t been involved with her family for 7 years, which seems questionable to me, as Chelsea is only 23/24 years old – 7 years ago, she was only 16/17.

Lindsy’s verbal assaults on his parents and grandmother are mean – hard to believe she loves Tom when she talks so derogatorily abuot his parents.

No wonder she uses that word,what a family!

Tobias,everytime!

Jason,I am sure she’s trying to get padillas sympathy,

if she were gonna kill herself she wouldn’t have told it……….imo
and I’d say its been torment on them and added with drug abuse OMGGGGGGG!
But still they didn’t harm Haleigh! they just got the aftermath!

yes i do exactly,I have always thought in my mind Lindsey is a wolf in sheeps clothing but i diid applaud her for standing her ground about and with Tommy,but lisa and hank diidn’t do anything she hasn’t done,whats the difference in lindsey using padilla and hank using her!

Jan57 said,in May 13th, 2010 at 8:16 pm About the taped conversation>>I just have to say something.I listen to this tape,over,an over.

Im Glad Lindseys moved on,her choice.

But i see something in her.Shes a trouble maker.Back biter.

Remember how bad she was talking about HankSR,an Lisa,when they borrowed,the 400 dollars,an Timmy was suppose to pay half back.Lindsey said NO Hanks gona pay it ALL back!!! Hank,an Lisa offered her the 2 hundred back,all they probably could come up with/their half.An she says she dont want that money,she wont take it,To Tommys grand ma

This is my take,i watch women who try to drive a wedge between a mom,an son,all my life,daughter,an dad.I cant stand jealousy<(hope i spelled that right)
Lindsy on the other tape said well ill tell, Art Harris,an NG..Tom says dont do that,or why would you do that.

She said they love it,they love to hear that stuff,an i think she said it will get played on TV. WTH !! is she Queen Be now,THEY ALL LIVED TOGETHER,HankSr has worked before getting hurt,im sure he helped her an Tommy feed their babies through the yrs when rough spots hit them.

The seem to love the babies,an want to see,them.Im sure they would take even supervise grandparnt visits.Like many they have all lived together so long,im sure they are lost with out their grandbabies around.

Not one time,have i heard Hank say anything bad,about his daughter in laws.He mainly praises them.Not even when we chat,never ever has he said anything bad.

An i think Tommy was the only one who worked,or she wouldnt have got a tax return,an earned income credit money.Which i believe she pissed away,on usless things.Food bills ,an upkeep of the van should have been a priority not expensive trips to Mass.Of course she did put money on his books also.But Lenny paid for her min,like the last 1,000 she got,as well as the puter,with web cam.Why?? SO HE COULD SEE THE YOUNG WOMAN WHEN HE CHATTED.

That money would have laster her ,an the children longer.Going out at night,but unable to get up an look for work,thats,no different to say it about her,than about Hank.

I cant stand a jealous person, weman do crap like that she already said on video taunting Tommy about him,an his mom,About Tommy loving his mother.momas boy,she says,on one tape.Hey all momas love their sons.

Then who evers in the back ground who stays at grannys a lot,i believe one of Tommys aunts,She said Chealsea stringing all this shit around.Wonder what that ment. Could it be stuff from when Lindsy had visited her in Mass,an what she was telling them.

Also when Hank Sr,an Lisa hadnt been to visit,an T&L were saying they got to be out on a binge.They didnt know Hank had already had his court hearing, pled,an got probation,as well as Lisa pled,

Advice by C. App lawyer
They probably had to use some to pay on fines,gas,phone car,food,His unemployment runs out this month,unless they extend it a second time,as its already been extended once.

.An they are being randomly drug tested(plea deal).Therefor they couldnt visit,as Lisa couldnt when she got her first Probation an had to stop going to jail visits.(Jail rule)Also Tommy said on this tape,that Lindsy knew what he was talking about.But Lindst goes on,an on about it!!

I dont care for a back biting person either.I have never ever said a bad thing about my son/an daughters granparents.If i cared for them,or not.Because of my children.

My OP

Thats exactly right Jan!
My husbands family has robbed me,took everything we had,sold it,stole it,gave it away and even made me porove i was married to him for 25 yrs and i was next of kin,but through it all i never once said a word to them or about them till now and i guess cause its got me mad right now,
I still wanted Johnny to look down on me and think,thats how its done,I am proud of my wife! Ya know?
I respected him enough to make it as easy as possible for all of them because we all loved him,just in different ways……….it boils my blood to see Lindsey and them go for attack when Hank and Lisa did nothing TO HER!

thats her kids grandparents!

Maybe when Tommy said “he can’t get to us anymore”, He was meaning Ron. He kinda paused like he was going to say something else when grandma Hollers cuts in and says “I knew it”. Besides that, JO is still able to get to Tommys kids if he wants so Tommy couldn’t be talking about JO. He says “yea but”. I would have loved for him to have finished that sentence. I wonder what would have came after the “but” part.

got all tore up and spilled my guts agin shewww

I just can’t stand a disrespectful person,sorry guys!

I haven’t read all the posts yet, but I did listen to the audio link above from Vaquera at 6:03 p.m. Thank you Vaquera for providing this.

I missed watching JVM. Does anyone have a link to watch it now?

I think this story was the story that ToC told during his LDT when Lindsy was out of town and his attorney dropped him regarding the Haliegh case because he failed. I think he then took another LDT and passed and that is why his attorney returned to the case.

Maybe, this audio was released now to make RC think that ToC is implicating JO and not him.

It makes no sense that this is the final story regarding JO. They have all been talking about JO from the beginning. ALL IMO

Hope,hang on,ill get it for you!

Who would be close enough to harm the kids? Who could harm Misty? Who could harm Tommy? Who did Tommy get into a fight with? Why was Tommy avoiding any contact with Ron? It wasnt Joe he was in Tenn. jmo goodnight everyone

Tommy’s lawyer stated that Tommy helped dispose of Haleigh’s body with JO, at gunpoint. He did not say that Tommy implicated Ron, only JO.

Even if Tommy acted alone or with Misty, they would not implicate Ron because they know LE is satisfied that Ron was at work. That leaves JO for them to implicate.

I would not doubt that Tommy acted alone and used his red truck, not the van.

Remember they were all going to run to Tenn. at one time. Lisa and Hank went there when Lisa stole the checks. And Tommy let them go.
The Joe story doesnt fly. jmo

CathyJo I didn’t get it. Do you know the link I will just google it.

Thank you so much!

brb

let me know,Hope if it doesn’t help ya!

Cathy, I’m sorry you had to go thru all you did. Seems like horrible things happen to the best people.
Lindsy is starting to show her true colors. I used to feel sorry for her, but you guys are right. You don’t treat a man’s family with such disrespect. As far as I can see, they have been good to her. There is no reason to keep the children away from them. Ive heard so many times that it’s in the childs best interest. That’s pure bs. It’s rarely ever in the childs best interest to keep them away from family they know and love. Kids have a way of thinking things are their fault anyway. If she doesn’t let them see their grandparents, they will grow up to resent her.
She is starting to get cocky. She was even getting her digs in on Tommy who she is supposed to love so much. I can’t blame her for some of it, but she knew it was all being recorded, so she basically humiliated him in front of the world. Some things are just meant to be private.

CathyJo @ 9:04, that’s what I think, too. It’s out of respect for the person we love that we don’t tear the people they love apart.

Hank and Lisa will always be Tom’s parents, and the children’s grandparents. Flora will always be Tom’s grandmother, and the children’s great-grandmother – Lindsy has a problem with her – call her a ‘borderline retard’ or any other derogatory name, in person, but not in front of Tom, or her grandchildren!

jaba firstcoast news

Werter also says Croslin was forced at gunpoint to go with Overstreet to the St. Johns River when Overstreet was disposing of Haleigh’s body

OMG Exactly StormGardner,

How the heck does Lindsey know she won’t become a victim tomorrow of some horror and Hank and Lisa would want and have to raise her children b/c their dads in prison,would she rather see strangers raise them than someone they know and love? everybody can change,Lisa and Hank made mistakes I am certain they’re sorry for them now but so has Lindsey and if she hasn’t,she will? and i have a feeling she already has,and yes imo she taunted Tommy,making fun basically and thats cruel!
Thank You StormGardener!!!

Exactly Jason,She is so immature and she has me to the boiling point,I have been an addict but i guarantee you I’d fight a bear in the woods at night with a limb to protect my family!

you didn’t hurt me Ron!
I can’t speak for anyone else tho,but ty anyway,lol

i saw the heading on JVM,tommy says Haleigh (gone) at trailer but it doesn’t show when i click??

Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do when his wife and sister-in-law called LE to come get the van and implicated JO.

Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do when his sister-in-law gave a media interview after the van was returned, in which she implicated JO.

Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do when his parents went to LE and implicated JO.

Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do when his parents, his dad in a wheelchair, gave a media interview in front of the LE station and implicated JO.

Tommy wasn’t afraid of what JO would do while his sister was implicating JO.

But we are to believe that Tommy was afraid of what JO would do. RIGHTTTTTT.

didn’t mean to have a cold tone Storm,just got upset,lol
and then i thought well lord…..i am mean,lol

WhyLie……..you said it sista!!!!!!!

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/04/cousin-joe-fed-animals-to-alligators-at-haleigh-river-search-location/

gosh,that scared the devil outta me!

TY KeepitReal!!

So, tommy makes JO the bad guy. That’s ik, bad guy or not, at least tommy is saying he was there and the body was disposed of.

Why would he lie about being at the event? He’s facing three years on dc’s, not the 40 or so misty is. He just sunk himself if true. If JO did have a gun to his head, how would he prove it? Because he says so?

Imo they have enoguh to implicate tommy by his own admission and whatever else they can bolster the case with.

So, if that’s the case, then did misty know during the incident or after? I think so.

So sorry about the so long of a post.Ill try to tame my self,calm down lol,i just got carried away,Jan can zap it if she wants,ill understand. Sorry peeps

Keepit,

Wow, died in the trailer. With who present I wonder?

Bombshell (tomorrow)Night.

Jan57, I enjoy reading your long posts, and think other people do, too!

Ronfan, of course we like you, we all have off days!!!!!

JUDGE CHARLES TINLIN, ST. JOHNS COUNTY JAIL: How old are you?

MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH CUMMINGS` BABYSITTER, LAST SEEN HALEIGH: Just turned 18.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They have her behind bars again and they do intend on questioning her again about Haleigh`s disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: When did you last see her?

CROSLIN: We just like, you know, it was 10:00. She was sleeping.

MIKE BROOKS, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST; FMR. D.C. POLICE DET., FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: We know all along that Misty was the last one to see Haleigh — allegedly the last one to see her alive. She knows more than what she has been telling. So hopefully, hopefully, this will put a little bit more pressure on her to say, OK, what more do you know?

CROSLIN: I`m trying to do everything to find her, you know. Answer any questions I have to. I don`t know where she is.

BROOKS: What does Ronald know in this, too?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But they haven`t come to you and said, OK, Ron, let`s sit down and talk about what you heard from Misty or what you heard from anybody else outside now that you`re in jail we`ve got you here. You might as well tell us everything you know.

RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: Nope.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

You didn’t miss anything on JVM. She didn’t even play all the audio. We get more information here than on her or NG show. Well, unless you miss NG wrinkling her face all up like a pitbull.
Lindsy lost a lot of sympathy for me when she made the retard comment. It’s a word people just throw around and I know a lot of the time they don’t mean any real harm, but it really makes me sad when people say that. I have a grandson with Down Syndome and I it hurts me me to hear it. I wouldn’t want him to be any other way. He’s perfect the way he is. It takes longer for those children to learn, but they do. He has become quite the comedian, Lol. His Dad (my son)has always had the ability to make people laugh.

they just give us a headline and make us wait,geeee

CATHYJO63 BTW IN REGARD TO UR LONG POST- PROUD OF U, U DESERVE BETTER

awww Thank You HomeSpain!
I think we all do but it does get ya when people you trust and love just turn vicious out of the blue!Death brings out greed in people,you’d think it would be the opposite,ya know!

Karen i havent heard that,uncut version,do you have a link,guess they have finaly lost it,pressure,an drugs dont mix,thats for sure,man i hope they dont commit sucicide.,because i couldnt get a hold to them to day,to try an talk them through the Tommy in court day.If he went.

If i call,or tex,they always return my call,or tex.Nothing today.Not a word.I havent had the chance to catch them in that fix,i guess with everything they just have cracked.Shame,even at that age they could go to rehab,but them it coat a lot,unless its a methadone clinic,an thats just swapping on drug,for another,an matadone will flat out kill you,its works on the matabilisum.

Seem like there,probation,may have been better,as a rehab center,in house of course,then it would have been free to them.Lord,

Halieghs gone,an all are just in a mess,an seems to be getting worse.If they fail probation,they can go to jail,eat,dry out,an maybe live.I jsut pray for all three families.Some people crack mentaly under the pressure,an stress of cases like this.I lost my hair in patches when we went through it,it grew back,later on.

Hope they get their lives on track,before they die,first an formost that Halieghs found,an who ever harmed her goes down for it,wont bring her back,but its all the justice the law will allow.

Stormgarndner @ 10:14, perfect just the way he is – yes!

If she gets work as an LPN, I hope she doesn’t insult patients!

Jason,inursing would have been the last thing to go into in that family,could be a reason behind it,she’s self serving to me,i use to think she was a good person who got stuck in a rut,but her true colors are shining thru!

I don’t think they will Jan but they may feel like they want too,screaming out for help,ya know! the world is against them and its not even what they did,sure they could have raised better kids,but so could alot of ppl ya know!
I feel bad for em’more than ever! For a long time,I didn’t but imagine being in their shoes right this moment!

If they’d seen this day years ago i am sure they’d have done things different! Sad!

I know i use 40 pages to write a 2 page letter sometimes,lol it takes me forever to splain my point,and Jason used to tell ME and everyone what i meant by my own posts cuz i couldn’t rofl

CATHYJO I DO UNDERSTAND VERY WELL UNFORTUNATELY HOW ILLNESS, DEATH BRINGS OUT THE PEOPLE INTO OPPORTUNISTIC CREATURES OF THE DARK.

CathyJo @ 10:31, yes – if they could have seen it in advance, they wouldn’t have let it happen.

@ 10:33, I didn’t set out to, just understood what you were saying – GOOD to know it was OK with you, as the alternative might be that you thought I was putting words in your mouth – LOL!

Scary thought, homespain, but I understand that’s true.

Cathy, my guess is that she is a dumb ass and doesn’t know any better.
I was just trying to say that these kids have been thru so many major changes in their young lives that I don’t see how it would be in their best interest to suddenly just not see the people you know and love. That’s all they know. I would try and handle it in a manner that would be less traumatic for my kids if at all possible. Not saying it would be easy. I think I would try and soften the blow for them as much as I possibly could and not do anything else so abruptly. They’ve already lost Haleigh and for the most part lost their Father. Nothing is normal for them anymore, and their normal and what we would consider normal are as different as night and day.

vaquera, very true. I just want Tommy to be charged with every single thing possible. If spitting on the sidewalk will get him added time then I want to see him charged if he spits.

I just don’t understand Ron’s plea deal. Can anyone help me here. What is it that he could be providing? Is it something on the drug charge, or something about Haleigh? Does anyone know. If it’s Haleigh how could he know anything? If he did why wouldn’t he have shared it a lot sooner. Sorry for my naivete.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer is BS!
Your enemy is exactly that. If your enemy is close to you then your enemy will find out general information you don’t want your enemy to know. Things like where you live, work, regular routine, etc. They also find out your family members routines where they live,work, etc. Your enemy is to know they are that and if they come any where near your life and or any part of it then they will be eliminated, screw this befriending them crap. JMHO
All is speculation right now. What I know for sure is that Misty Croslin has no history of abuse on children. There are no UTube tapes of her performing wierd acts of violence, no diaries of wishing bad, no talks with friends suggesting she wants to know what it is like to see someone die. There is no history of her acting violenting in any way on any one. The party weekend before was just that and whom did she hurt? herself. Like normal in her life all was fine with her in regards to being with children. She was loved and adored by children and even at 730pm that night she was fine. She helped load in clothes was feeding the kids and had them outside. Then in some drastic turn at 945pmish a child in her care is killed but only when these two men arrive. What baffles me is that LE have made it all about Misty when never has any thing close to violence happened to anyone around her only this night and only when these men arrive. Two men who have a history of violence and violence on her. LE has a long way to go to help a Prosecutor explain to a Jury how it is all her and her responsibility and Tommy is thier good guy.Florida LE is under pressure as result of thier extreme mistakes in the Jessica Lundsford case the last thing they want is another case of others getting away and not charged. Or another case of them missing the boat in early periods of the investigation. Careers are at stake here morgages, college, bonding kids out, and legal representation for them etc. If they don’t have the evidence against Tommy and or Joe then thier case and public statements will manipulate as it has to date all about Misty. If they have the evidence against one or both of the others then it will play out different. I don’t trust them for a second. JMHO

Guess my other post is in moderating since it had a link.

Lindsy was at court today. I saw her in a video in the courtroom and standing outside with Werter..I was like WTF..

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Mistys-cousin-talks-about-what-happened-to-Haleigh/SQ_LV5U1YkO49cFp51S_7w.cspx

This case has turned into pure insanity. Who’s on first, what’s on second. It’s like everyone is guilty but no one is. I don’t think we’re any further than we were from day one of knowing what happened to Haleigh. The only thing we’ve really figured out is nothing anyone says or does makes any sense.

maryd said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:11 pm

I just don’t understand Ron’s plea deal. Can anyone help me here. What is it that he could be providing? Is it something on the drug charge, or something about Haleigh? Does anyone know. If it’s Haleigh how could he know anything? If he did why wouldn’t he have shared it a lot sooner. Sorry for my naivete.
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Maybe he gave up other drug players

stormgardner said,in May 13th, 2010 at 11:01 pm Cathy, my guess is that she is a dumb ass and doesn’t know any better.
I was just trying to say that these kids have been thru so many major changes in their young lives that I don’t see how it would be in their best interest to suddenly just not see the people you know and love. That’s all they know. I would try and handle it in a manner that would be less traumatic for my kids if at all possible. Not saying it would be easy. I think I would try and soften the blow for them as much as I possibly could and not do anything else so abruptly. They’ve already lost Haleigh and for the most part lost their Father. Nothing is normal for them anymore, and their normal and what we would consider normal are as different as night and day.
I know exactly what you meant!

LoL No Jason,i thought you were a big help is what I thought,lol grateful for ya! lol

Nor do I mary!

bbs,gootta a small prob!

I don’t know but i am having trouble being as angry at ToC, RC and Misty as others seem. I really need some proof of involvement or harm to Haleigh. Other than that their all drug addicts yes and that to me is just sad. My sorrow is towards all the children involved.

Mine too Mary!!

k Treece

Mary, you are right it is so sad for the children. MY heart just breaks for Junior especially. He has had so many losses and changes this past year.

This case is wearing us all out. We’re dealing with drug abusers. They couldn’t tell the truth if you hit them with a ball bat over and over again. A few months in jail is not going to change that. They might have brain cell damage from all the drugs. We need to educate ourselves in dealing with drug abusers. These players minds are so messed up I don’t know if the truth will ever come out. I pray one day we will know the truth for Haleigh’s sake.

Cat Dixon @11.10 Very good possibility!

Maryd:
I am holding off in believing that Tommy actually killed Haleigh. I am not sure what happened, exactly. If he was there or he helped get rid of Haleigh’s body, he is still in a lot of trouble. Whatever happened, in that phone call to Flo, he was not telling Flo much. He just said yeah, that’s it, when she said it’s Joe. I think there is alot more than that to this story. I think Tommy knows, his involvement would cost him his marriage, because he said, “Tell Lyndsy to come and see me sometime.” It was different. He knew that Lyndsy didn’t know everything, and she would divorce him, when she found out. IMO

The sheriff spoke of several POI’s right after the search.

Jaba,there were other things,i said may happen ,also,its just thinking out loud. Tom seems to be able to go in old persons home,an steal agun,checks with the peron there.But stealing a child wouldnt be quit so easy.High on top of it,heck they may have been sober when this happened,who knows.

In Think Mark Klass an his wife were sleep when somone came in an took his child,an they hadnt just come off a weekend party. Pills,Pot that alone,,will make a person sleep,way deeper than a normal sleeper.Just never know.Roxys,an Oxys make people nod out any way.

People have had some come in an rob them while they are asleep.Not saying it happen that way,i was just thinking aloud,thiefs,know how to sneak,an creap,in the night.

I do pray this is over soon,what a mess.One precious child comes up missing,an a town is exposed,families exposed,even accused drug cops exposed,of course,they are on desk duty.a INVESTIGATION,THAT WE DONT KNOW IF THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING,OR LEARNING AS THEY GO.

Im sure God wants the whole town to wake up,an clean it up!!! Law included.Sin brings judgment on a people,an these people,They are all being exposed,an wonder how many havent been expsed yet im sure theres more there,lies,an hidden things always get exposed,come to the light. Genarations of dealers,or users,Pimps,working girls,RSO ,even a sherriff son,busted. Moms dads,grandparent Law.There seems to be much trouble,an wickedness in that little Florida town!!! trouble in all these peoples lives.

All i know is that they may need to all repent,an turn from their wicked ways.As he would require me to do to,if living like that,of course im not sinless either,as he says we all have sinned an fallen short.,I do repent,an try to change,AS I PRAY THESE PEOPLE WILL..

I will say one thing, when Tommy said it was bs that Haleigh got hold of a pill and died, he was stupid or knew LE was going to get the one who really killed her. That would have been a better out for him and Misty. It would go easier on them, if it was an accidental death. I thought that was a very telling remark.

Random Thoughts:

Three years may not include all the B&E’s and gun theft charges. Or does it? I heard Tommy’s attorney on NG saying 3 yrs on drug charges, and another charge that he didn’t have the word on yet.

Tommy has a grand theft charge and he told his wife in one of his phone calls that all his other charges were being dropped to misdemeanors. Misdemeanors are slaps on the wrist usually because they need the jail/prison space for the felony cases.

I’ll go look and see what the sentence is for GT.

Random Thoughts:
Thanks I didn’t catch that.

Random Thoughts said,
in May 14th, 2010 at 12:26 am

When did Hank Sr. try to knife himself and end up in jail for twelve hours? Was that recent?
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Per First Coast News the audio we heard today was from April 11, 2010 – First Coast News redacted this part of the conversation, but Vaquera has it posted above at 6:03 p.m. with this info. regarding Sr.

I think the gun he stole was valued at 300 bucks which would make it a 3rd degree felony. I can’t find how many years it carries in Florida but here in Ohio that level of felony is usually 1-3 years.

I know someone who had this charge and got probation, but again this is in Ohio and Florida has much stiffer penalties.

Good Night Jan57 – My thoughts exactly

So hank goes to the family pharmacy for prescrption painkillers and then is pissed about getting a bad pill? What an idiot. Why not go the doctor and pharmacist. That way you can get the safe pills you need. That’s why you can sell just whatever pill you say it might be to people. If you get a bad drug in an illegal way, that’s on you, period.

The being all afraid of Joe just doesn’t make sense.

What kind of person is Joe that every single person from his Granny down calls him “crazy.”

To get a title like that you have a past.Lol

Hope, thank you for clearing that up. I missed it somewhere in the mix.

YW Cat Dixon

Random Thoughts:
Ronfan says JO is a schizophrenic and an addict. He, also, refuses to take medication for his schizophrenia. I knew that Flora said he had spent some time in a mental hospital, but I didn’t know why.

That’s what I was thinking too Mary!

Has he done something in his past that some of these people have witnessed?

Tommy made one comment to Hank, Sr., I think it was, that JO was a little weirded out that day. He said that didn’t mean he had murdered someone. Of course, Tommy knew that he would get drawn into telling his part in all of this, if he told on JO. IMO

I still don’t know that Tommy had a part in the killing of little Haleigh. I think he may have been a part of getting rid of her body to help Misty.

Is he holding a gun in his myspace page? He last logged in on 12/18/08. Should I be afraid to write about him? lol

Random Thoughts:
You are right that Tommy did deny that pill comment real fast. This whole case has centered around drugs.

It is kind of odd that the time he visits something horrible happens. I’d like to see if he has other pics on Myspace but I signed up long ago and don’t remember my user info.

Cobra said Misty said she was scared of JO, but it was Misty that he was hanging out with while he was there.

Maryd:
Yes drugs come first, and the lawyer has to be pro bono. Tommy can’t afford snacks and phone charges.

I have never commented before, but after reading I wanted to add something.

Ronfan stated that timmy and chelsey are involved and ITA.

I have no idea who did what,when or why, but here a couple of thoughts.

Most everyone agrees that Misty and Tommy are involved in some part of this; while I agree, it seems like a natural conclusion to draw is that Timmy was involved too. It appearss that within their family dynamic that timmy is the one who gets called when they screw up or need help- one of them called Timmy- he has first hand knowledge of what happened that night even if he was just delegating- he was there.

I read above that Chelsey and Lindsey are the ones who called LE about the van and JO- why did they do that? Not just to implicate JO, not to protect Misty, they did it to protect their husbands- they assumed that LE would believe the “alabi” they provided for Tommy and Timmy, leaving JO as the only one with access, they did not care who or how they just wanted to cover their husbands behinds.

The fact that Timmy and Chelsey unexpected moved way out of stated within weeks(?) of a missing child that their family is clearly connected with seems painfully obvious that they were involved in some capacity- if they only had info why move?

Timmy is the only croslin that is actually sober, he is the oldest in a family with addicted parents, confused family roles, blurred family boundaries, & dysfunctional loyalties….there is nothing that goes on in that family without Timmy being involved- likely, he “raised” tommy and Misty when they were younger he woud have been called that night at the least to askhim what to do- he may have come up with the whole plan to dispose of the body.

Anyway, I have wondered why no one else really mentions Timmy and Chelsey nor have LE looked at them too much.

He would be the one to “lean on”- he will talk-he is not an addict, not involved with drugs, Ron, or the dysfunctional group of people that have passed through this case file. The fact that he up and moved the way he did demonstrates that his loyalties are to himself, chelsey and trying to make a better life for himself.

I always enjoy reading here and listening on Sundays- I would love to hear a discussion about Timmy’s connection to this case 🙂

Just-ice:
I don’t know if Timmy uses drugs, or not. The family does lean on Timmy alot, but Hank, Sr keeps saying Tommy was the one that he thought would really make something of himself. The drugs seemed to have changed him quite a bit. Timmy di have Misty for awhile living with him and Chelsea.

Yes, I think Timmy and Chelsea and Lyndsy knows what happened.

In one jailhouse tape Lyndsy told Tommy that she had thrown away his and Timmy’s workboots. What would she be doing throwing away Timmy’s workboots? Why would she have Timmy’s workboots? Tommy said, “What did you do that for, they were almost new?” Then he said, ” I can just buy some new ones.” I thought, a woman doesn’t just throw away a pair of good, almost new workboots. The man would be furious. Is she trying to get rid of some evidence that may have been on the boots? Why didn’t he object more? Why wasn’t he mad? Why Timmy’s boots, too? I think Tommy figured out real fast, why she would have thrown away those boots. I don’t think she, actually, threw away Timmy’s boots, but she may have been letting him know that Chelsea had thrown them away.Was Timmy at the river that night. too?

I don’t think Lyndsy knew everything, but she knew part of the story. When she found out the whole story, she filed for divorce. IMO.

I think Chelsea has known more from the beginning than Lyndsy did. That’s just my opinion.

Karon said,in May 14th, 2010 at 1:49 am I find this so odd that more reports aren’t out about Tommy in court, today. It has hardly been mentioned. Maybe, the news stations thought we would be mostly interested in what happened in Ron’s case.
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Not much, but here’s a link. Apparently, Lindsy was present.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/05/14/news/news01.txt

tobias said,in May 13th, 2010 at 3:02 pm His date of departure was that day way in advance and he had a ride out with a friend, if he didnt leave then he would have to come up with extra money to take a bus or find someone to take him clear to Tenn. Would you stay after being blamed for stealing a gun earlier and you didnt? and now a kid is gone, you know darned well he knew they would eventually blame that on him too. jmo
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Tobias, I think this is a reasonable point, but I also think that *if* Joe really decided to hit Ron’s house/guns/family, he could have decided strategically to do it the night before he was getting out of Dodge. Just a thought.

Tobias:

I so vividly remember our conversation that day! I knew we were really onto something! We were pegging them COLD! I knew that day after the HUGE fuss that disrupted everything that we were right! It was too important to derail that conversation. We were talking about

Misty’s ability to lie to LE
Tommy & JO behind the hiding of Haleigh’s remains
Haleigh put into the river/gator infested area
gator facts and weather patterns for the date of Haleigh’s disappearance both yr previous and at time of her disappearance
Van facts and how it might have been used….etc

Link to Forensic FOrum 1 for your theory post..
http://forensicsforum1.freeforums.org/portal.php

Fields speaks out ~ no plea in the works for Misty? Misty sticking to her story, not surprized with Ronald & Tommy trying to cop a plea.

Quote:
Cummings seeks plea, Misty not surprized and has no new info for LE
If deal goes through, Cummings will testify against Misty Croslin and Hank Jr.
Posted: May 14, 2010
“Snip” http://staugustine.com/news/local-ne…ngs-seeks-plea

Ronald Cummings next court appearance set July 19, 2010.
Hank Jr. (Tommy) next court appearance set June 21, 2010.
Misty Croslin’s next court appearance set June 6, 2010.

Misty, Ronald and Chelsea started the Joe did it defense when Haleigh first went missing.
LE spoke with Joe then and recently for 45min. Compared to the 14 hrs they questioned Chelsea in MA.
Hollars is repeating what she hears from Misty and the rest of the players, that doesn’t mean Tommy told LE the same stories Misty has and is sticking to.
From the call made on April 11 from Tommy Grandma starts off with the Joe did it…the same story Misty told. Tommy says no, but, then yeah. He goes along with Grandma and at the same time begs for her to call Lindsey so that Lindsey can contact his attorney. He also says Lindsey know the real story. I now wonder if her trip to MA was to see if she found the gun or to get information out of Timmy and Chelsea. I know they all lie, but for some reason I do believe Tommy is afraid for his family…just not afraid of Joe. Afraid of Ronald. JMO

Snip” http://www.gainesville.com/article/2…9677?p=2&tc=pg

Hollars asks, “Is it the story Misty is saying — Joe?” Croslin replies, “Yeah, that’s it.”

However, no other details about Haleigh were given.

The conversation starts with Croslin asking that his wife, Lindsy , get in contact with Werter.

“I need her to get my lawyer down here. It’s very important. I got to do something that should have been done already,” Tommy Croslin said. “I’m just scared. I don’t want no one hurting my kids. He’s got to pay. He’s got to pay for it.”

As for Tommy, I will say it over and over. That call to Grandma was not the same story of what Tommy told LE IMO. Grandma was the one who started out with..Is it the story Misty is saying — Joe?” Tommy says No first, then “but”, then yeah. That tells alot IMO. I feel Tommy is afraid for his family, but not of Joe. Of Ron…who is the one with a violent background? Who is the one that threated to kill, put a gun to Misty, and put a dead rat in Tommy’s mail box? IMO, Tommy is afraid of Ronald…not Joe. JMO

I just read on the Palatka Fla. news site about Tommy’s day in court. Very interesting that Lindsy, Hank and Lisa were there to support him. He goes back to court June 3 on the drug charge and later in June for the theft charge.

Ment to say speculate on.

Jan 57 do you know what Timmy served time for? He said he had been in federal Prison when he was talking to Tommy on one of the tapes.

Palatka Daily News online article reporting that Lindsy was in the courtroom yesterday during Tommy’s hearing:

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/05/14/news/news01.txt

As Croslin walked through the courtroom, he mouthed “I love you” to his wife, who said she had not seen him since his arrest Jan. 20.

Lindsy Croslin, who was sitting with Croslin’s mother and father, felt the outcome of his case would be positive in that he will get less than the minimum.

“I’m just here to support my children’s father,” she said.

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What the heck is up with that if she is divorcing him?

Also i would love to see a full body shot of Tommy. AH is saying that he is over 6 ft tall, and was once 180lbs. I guess the drugs have shrunk him, but I thought from the pictues I have seen that he was just a little guy. LOL

Karon said,in May 14th, 2010 at 12:31 am Did any of you notice Ron standing there with his attorney whispering and smirking. He is pulling a fast one on somebody. I wonder if he is going to testify against Misty and Tommy, alright, but not on the drug charges. I wonder if they don’t want it coming out, yet. I wonder if he is testifying against them in the Haleigh case. He may let Misty think He is staying loyal to her, until it is too late for

her to make a deal.

do you have that link Karon,ty?

where is m2,she’d be handy for us right now,shes so good at this stuff,pleas and all??

yvw Iketa,heres another then,lol (((((((Iketa))))))))

omg pooh!

Shockwave said,in May 14th, 2010 at 8:05 am I really can’t see Ron having anything to do with any part of Haleigh missing even thought about a week ago I said he did. I do believe he is manipulative. That smile on his face in the photo on the Jacksonville

He always has that smirk,I dunno how tho because his datrs gone……how can you smirk?

anyone have the link for the pix of ron yesterday?

Pooh, was Misty awake?

Hey CathyJo!!!
I saw that Video last night to I wanted to slap smuggie look off of Ron’s face I think it was on Firstcoast 6: pm report (I could be wrong I’ll check)

POOH ~ Where did you read this? My question would be if T and J went to borrow the gun..what led up to J being in the trailer without T…and having him “come in” and j was in a rage?

That sounds conveniently like ” I DON’T KNOW..I WAS AT WORK..”

KARRI – AGREED!!!

There would of been no lies and joe would be dead if that is what happened! Haleigh would NOT be missing 15 months later

WOW Keepit Real,I was still just hoping he was though i knew better but for Haleighs sake i wish it was true!

CathyJo-
so much info and reports yesterday my head was spinning an today I can’t remember where I saw anything LOL

I still can’t find it,lol grrrrrrrrr

Sorry for all of my singular, run on comments, but now my question is why were they aiming to hunt at night, and on the eve of Joe’s supposed “pre-planned trip” home? Were they gonna hunt owls or bats at night?

Agree-Karri,
Tommy would be terrified if he really saw Jo kill HaLeigh and I believe they would have told right away
CathyJo- I laugh every time you say werk LOL

JMO…I think it is just totally obvious when you look at all the facts and actions of these folks it is in the end Ronald who committed the original crime and was responsible for the death of his daughter.

Ron is slick and impervious to LE. He has gotten away with everything in the past and has secured a loyal following and proved to be the “alpha male”. He is manipulative and bright. Ron is quick witted and his mind is always working. He has a sixth sense about people and knows exactly how to manipulate them. He has a sixth sense about life and events-he knows whats coming before most people know what hit them. He has learned from his previous arrests how to effectively deal with LE and the system and understands how the system works. But, Ron also has an over inflated ego…he was able to manipulate dcf to give him custody of his children & gone free on all other criminal behaviors. Ron is righteous and believes he is Godlike.

Ron is the cult leader. The Croslins arent so stupid in my theory only dependent on Ron. Dependent on what you may ask? He was supplying them with something…back to Ron is the alpha male and he gives each personality exactly what it needs to lull them in and trust him. To Ron these people work for him…he wouldnt have people around who dont supply him with something Ron finds contributes to his better outcome. Ron surrounds himself with players that get things done for Ron. In exchange the players think they have Rons respect, and believe Ron has “their” best interest at heart. If they question Ron he turns it back on them and makes them think they are crazy and will be punished and at the very least rejected by Ron. You only need to understand the dynamics of co-addiction to see how these personalities fall into place. But who wouldnt want to be around Ron? He is convincing & charming-Ron makes things happen-he is the alpha male, cult leader, Donald Trump of his Satsuma followers. He is probably the biggest drug dealer of them all.

Misty and Tommy. Now in my theory remember that Ron has a distorted view of himself. Thats how he can attend the fair or marry Misty. He thinks he is behaving normally. He coached Misty and Tommy through the whole event. Misty and Tommy would have had some more judgement on right and wrong but they are still acting like the cult leader is smarter and he still has had control of them. Ron still has had their loyalty.

Tommy. If tommy killed Haleigh Misty would have told Ron and Ron/Misty would turn Tommy in immediately. Even if Ron left drugs out or was in some way even partially responsible Ron would have understood that man-ing up would have been the least amount of jail time. He would have convinced Tommy earlier on to come clean. I dont think they are afraid of drug dealers retaliation or other crimes enough to cover up on Haleighs murder. But Tommy is guilty of something-I suspect helping dispose of the body.

Misty. She is a young female. Ron sees her as trust worthy enough to watch his children and bed up with but thats about it. He doesnt respect or love her. He uses her. I dont think Ron would trust Misty to dispose of Haleigh. He hasnt known her long enough to predict exactly how she will act or if she is smart & strong enough to lie. She is a risk and he knows it so he has her not involved at all. If she was there at all she soon left as to not be involved. Did she leave the MH and go to another Croslins house until it was final and safe to come home? Misty still holds a key and is protecting Ron.

Misty protects Ron because she thinks she loves him. Tommy protects Misty because they are blood. Misty and Ron would turn on Tommy early on. The only person that leaves is Ron.

Enough for now, hope this rambling makes some sense…JMO

like that “E” makes a big difference,rofl but it does don’t it? lol

I google “Haleigh Cummings” hit the news button and then sort it by date. It is the first article. I think CNN blogs was it

ohhh ok,ty KeepitReal…oboy brb!

my God In Heaven,how do ya smirk like that even if all this other crap had never happened and it was Haleigh missing by a stranger???? how do you smirk and then add all this,no way!!!!!!!
I’d like to bulldoze what hair he does have left on his head!

CathyJo-
Look under MADJ at 5:44 pm yesterday-
those links will show you the video of Ron

I have always prayed that all those smirks meant he was doing this for Haleigh,now it tix me off!

Misty has been telling that it might be Tommy for months. She went into detail about his temper even saying how he put a knife to his own fathers throat. Tommy, imo, is the one with the rage problem, going back years when Lindsy herself had to take out an OOP for her and her child against Tommy.

I can see Tommy sneaking into the MH, looking for a gun, not finding it, and taking Haleigh, maybe in the hope of exchanging her for drugs or guns or money or all of that. BUT Ron and Misty ruined his plan by calling LE.

Kind of like what he told Lindsy in the jail visit when he was referring to the Mexican mob. He said something like

Ron told, what could they do then, if they brought her back they would be F***ed.

What is Ron smirking about? He’s looking at 15 to 30 years IF he gets the deal. The dumb smuck doesn’t get it! He’s snitching! He may not last 15 to 30 behind bars as a snitch! And he’s smirking? What a putz!

And I’m SO glad RON’s Attorney has finally put this whole “Ron was working for LE to set up Misty and crew” to rest once and for all! LMAO He was dealing drugs FOR HIMSELF, plain and simple. Not sure what it will take for the Ron Lovers to see the light. NG? Are you paying attention “my friend” because I got a BOMBSHELL for you! RON DOES DRUGS! Hope you were sitting down for that one! He also DEALS drugs NG! ROFLMAO

I wonder what Joe could of done in such little time to kill Haleigh in the triler, there was no blood, so he couldnt have stabbed her, or shot her. choking and suffocating takes time, and if he was in a rage in the same room with kids surely tommy and misty would have ran in there to get the kids out. It had to take more than seconds to kill this poor child. What if they just thought she was dead, and threw her in the lake, thats what has been crossing my mind.

it seems to me like Tommy’s lawyer is trying to make Tommy a hero for coming forward. I think both Tommy and Rons lawyers are counting their chickens before they are hatched.

OJ, I saw that on the booking log. They got him on a trafficking charge as well. With all that is going on in Putnam county, and people knowing there is UC working in the county, these people are idiots to be selling/buying any drugs right now.

Good time for them all to clean up their acts and start living a decent life.

That should be interesting Ron in gp with WBG.
Wonder if they will talk about good old Misty?jmo

Well with WBG, and all these others in the system that they have got recently, they really r cleaning up the streets there huh? I guess Hardy is keeping his word.

Rons gotta have some henchmen sucking up to his fame, I bet he could have wbg hurt, unless of course theres undercovers in there with them.. which there probably are.

Want to see a real frightening dude look on the PCSD site at the guy named CRITES. EEEWWW.
I was looking to see who else would have been busted with WBG there is a erica B. with the same charges. jmo

Karri said,in May 14th, 2010 at 11:08 am The story that she died in the home the way Tommy’s lawyer is saying just dosent add up is all im saying.

Exactly,even an OD would take time!

Tobias – OMG! What happened to Crites? WOW! Does he have lips? All I see is a “toof”, no lips, a strange nose and it must have been really windy because his hair (what little he has) was hit by a tornado! OMG! TOO funny! And a little frightening! 😯

WhyLie,sorry guys,don’t mean to be nasty but uoi know me,
Ron must know him,he said he was gonna shove 11 inches down his throat.(naynay interview)
rofl maybe they’ll both get that chance now! lol

CJ, WBJ said in his interview that he did not know Ron and had just met Misty that weekend.

LoL Yea but ummmmmmmmm errrrrrrrr well ummmmmm lets just say he might get to meet him!

BSJ

Great analysis of Ronald! I think you may be right. When I think of Ronald i think of a kind of attactive smooth kind of guy. It is hard to believe he could hurt anyone because he is willing to show a soft side of himself. I’ve been trying to decide if that soft side is real. I do see some smarts about him, much more so than the Croslins. They seem to be just treading their way through life. Ronald always has a plan and likes to be on top of things (in control). His choice of very young girls is indicative of that to me. Easy to mold and use (as you said). I know Pat Brown called him a psychopath, she may have something there. With little real emotion psychopaths tend to act the role of whats expected of them. Charm the ones who you need most at the time. I feel like his smirks are part of his charming whoever holds the reigns at this time, PCSO, defense attorneys, his mother, grandmother. Though he plays tough he tends to accommodate as needed, ie, marrying Misty, addressing NG as Miss Nancy. letting his daughter ride on his lap in the car, befriending the UC guy. He seems to know “when to” and “when not to”. He definitely doesn’t like to be confronted (Geraldo), that’s when the temperament shows through. I don’t know where I’m going with this, have to give it more thought.

Maryd – your analysis sounds spot-on to me. I am so amazed at the women in his life – he has such a hold on them.

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by tobias on Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:29 am

I have a theory based on what has been reported and video footage and from PCSO statements of the events.

It is known that Ron was at work and he stated that he always makes sure the deadbolt on the door indicates it is locked. Therefore someone had to have had opportunity to unlock said door. From statement made by Misty, Tommy, and the AC guy, Tommy was there at 4oclock until 5 oclock. Opportunity. He also was there before all of this when a certain gun came up missing and Joe got blamed for stealing said gun. Joe is said to be angry about being blamed for taking said gun. Misty finds the gun but we have no idea who really took it. The night Haleigh goes missing Ron calls Tommy looking for Misty. Tommy stated to PCSO that he went to the MH and no one was there. He also had opportunity here to enter a previously unlocked door and steal the gun again. He knows Misty is a sound sleeper and has a back up if she wakes, Ron called him to check on her. He enters and Haleigh thinks its her Dad home from work and turns on the kitchen light. He panics and puts his hand over her mouth to quiet her. She panics and has a asthma attack and dies. Now he has a problem, he calls for help and wakes Misty. They come up with a plan to save them from going to jail and being killed by Ron. Thing in this theory may have happened differently but there was opportunity and previous knowledge to the MH layout and sleeping arrangements. He knows she sleeps soundly and had a weekend of drugs. He is known for gun theft and drugs.
Remember this is just one of the many possibilities of events.tobias
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NANCY GRACE

Police Start Fresh in Missing Haleigh Case

Aired September 2, 2009 – 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Satsuma, Florida. A 5- year-old little girl tucked into bed. Five hours later, she`s gone, vanished, the back door propped wide open. Daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little Haleigh.

Bombshell tonight. Florida police bring Haleigh`s dad, Ronald Cummings, in for intense questioning about phone calls, phone calls made in the hours leading up to the moment Haleigh goes missing. But why? Police already have new stepmom Misty Croslin`s phone records. What do they reveal?

In a stunning twist, police bring in a new team, starting from scratch in the search for Haleigh. Is there a break in the case? These phone records apparently reveal a crucial timeline, including a major argument just before Haleigh disappears. After searchers comb through dense foliage on foot, on horseback, all on a tip from new stepmother Misty Croslin, we know Croslin the last person to see Haleigh alive, flunks a polygraph with a score of 99 percent deceptive.<>:twisted: Croslin also revealing she`s afraid her phone is tapped. But wait a minute! When a child is missing, who cares if your phone`s tapped? What is there to hide? We also learn Croslin`s bed made up, not slept in, the night Haleigh vanishes. Was she ever even home? Cops say evidence in the home contradicts her story.<<<>And now reports say she flunked a voice stress test, changing her story, saying up to four people in the home the night Haleigh vanishes but calling it all a dream-like memory. Police insist Haleigh not kidnapped by a stranger. Girlfriend-baby-sitter-turned-stepmom caught on tape. We have the video. And exclusive tonight. For the first time since Croslin reportedly flunks that polygraph, Haleigh Cummings`s biological mother and her grandmother with us live, taking your calls. Where is 5-year-old Haleigh?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH`S BABY-SITTER/STEPMOTHER: They`ve been on me for six months. They haven`t left me alone for six months. I`ve been the one, the main focus. They just need to move on and look for the right person.

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Mark Nejame is a very respected attorney. And asked I Ronald — Ronald, I need more information on this before I can consider representing anybody. And Ronald Cummings said, The (DELETED) had something to do with my daughter`s disappearance.

GRACE: What is her story about what happened that night?

CUMMINGS: The same thing that she`s telling police or whoever, that she put Haleigh to bed, done some laundry, went to bed, and woke up to the door propped open.

>>>CROSLIN: I was sleeping in that bed. How would the bed be made if someone`s sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it. But how would it — me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping?

>>> MILLER: He said that she never made the bed that night. She`d been awake all night. She never went to sleep. They did not have any laundry detergent, so she never washed clothes. The only clothes in the dryer were dirty clothes.<<<

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think Misty holds some information that could help with that?

CUMMINGS: I don`t think Misty holds any information that`s going to find Haleigh.<>>> MILLER: I got a voice message from Ronald`s mother, I think on the 18th or 19th, that said, Tim, Misty won`t even talk to Ronald right now. She`s on secret phone calls and stuff. She`s ready to break.<<<<<<<

CROSLIN: He called the phone and said that, I`m going to take you to Orlando to get you away because your days are numbered. He told me that if I didn`t take them tests, that he wasn`t going to look for Haleigh.

MILLER: Misty, I said, you know what? I`ve spent time with law enforcement and stuff, and I says, I believe that the day`s going to come when you are going to be arrested.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you feel that Misty is the key to this investigation?

CUMMINGS: No, I don`t. I think they`re barking up the wrong tree.

911 OPERATOR: OK…

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: Can I talk to her?

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK.

CUMMINGS: How the (DELETED) can you let my daughter get stole (DELETED)

GRACE: Whether you accept it or not, that your wife has flunked a poly, have you asked her what happened?

CUMMINGS: I asked her, but I don`t get any answers from her about, you know — I don`t see what she — what she`s telling me is not inconsistent.<<<<<<

CROSLIN: If they go out and look for that person, maybe they — they would be — have the answers, but they`re trying to get all the answers from me that I don`t have.

MILLER: I`m willing to put this out. I mean, honesty is honesty. I mean, we all got skeletons.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to T.J. Hart, program and news director WSKY, 97.3 FM. T.J., thank you for being with us. Ronald Cummings, the father of little Haleigh, agrees to go with police. He did this voluntarily. And he undergoes intense questioning — this is just hours ago — about a phone, a telephone timeline. Can you confirm that there was a horrible argument between Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin, Misty alone at home with Haleigh, just before Haleigh goes missing?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3 FM (via telephone): According to his lawyers, they don`t want to get into the intricacies of the conversation, but they say they probably were not having cordial conversations, and they said that there was an argument, and that was pretty much an end of it. Have no idea about how it transpired or anything at this point. But there was indeed an argument.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer on the story. Police apparently bring Cummings in for questioning, intense questioning, about a telephone timeline leading up all the way to the time Haleigh goes missing. Now, we have reason to believe that they already have Misty Croslin`s cell phone and home phone records, all right? That`s relatively easy to get. The police just had to fill out a subpoena for that and send it to the phone company.

But what are they hoping to get from Ronald to, what, piece together what they were talking about during all these calls? What do you know, Natisha?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, what Ronald`s attorney is telling us today is that they met with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and in that meeting, they wanted to get all of Ronald`s phone records from about 5:00 PM the night before Haleigh went missing up until the time Haleigh was reported missing, about 3:00 o`clock in the morning.

Now, they did have his records at one time before, but they wanted to go through them piece by piece, each record, what calls were coming in, what calls were going out, even the text messages. Ronald was very happy to hand over this information to them. There`s apparently a new agent who is working on the case, and they are starting, quote, “from scratch.”

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. And joining us tonight, also taking your calls, is the mother of missing Florida girl, 5-year-old Haleigh. Also with her, the grandmother, Haleigh`s grandmother. Crystal Sheffield, Marie Griffis, thank you for being with us.

First to you, Crystal Sheffield. This is Haleigh`s mother. Crystal, what do you make of the recent developments, the developments especially about Misty Croslin flunking a polygraph?

CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, HALEIGH`S MOTHER: Well, I`ve thought all along that she had something to do with it, and now this kind of just proves it. I mean…<<<<<

GRACE: But why do you think — why do you say you`ve thought all along that?

SHEFFIELD: She was the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don`t add up. Everything she says is crazy. I mean, it`s like the cops say, they`re inconsistent.

GRACE: Have you talked to Ronald about the inconsistencies?

SHEFFIELD: I`ve said something to him about her recently, and he pretty much was, like, What do you want me to do? So…

GRACE: What did you say to him? I mean, his response kind of — to interpret it depends on what you said to him. What did you say to him?

SHEFFIELD: I told him what I — how I felt about her test results, and I told him I really didn`t want to be around her anymore, like when I pick our son up. And he was just, like, What do you want me to do? So maybe we can talk about it and I…

GRACE: When you go to pick up your son and you see Misty, have you tried to speak to Misty Croslin about what happened that night?

SHEFFIELD: No.

GRACE: Why?

SHEFFIELD: I can`t.

GRACE: Why?

SHEFFIELD: Because she was the last one to see our daughter, and I just — I…

GRACE: I mean, if — if somebody was the last person to be with my child, John David or Lucy, and police say they have the key to what happened, I would at least say, What happened?

SHEFFIELD: Well, I haven`t seen her since the results.

GRACE: Yes?

SHEFFIELD: But I did talk to her on the telephone, and she was telling me she had no problem with me and that she didn`t have anything to do with our daughter going missing, that she was at home and all this stuff that everybody`s saying is lies about her. That`s the only time I`ve talked to her.<<<<<>>>>> CROSLIN: No. I was sleeping in that bed. How would the bed be made if someone`s sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it. But how would it — me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

CROSLIN: I just woke up and our back door was open, and I can`t find my daughter.

911 OPERATOR: Can`t find what?

CROSLIN: My daughter.

911 OPERATOR: OK. What`s your address?

CROSLIN: Green Lane (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: What`s the numerical?

CROSLIN: The numerical? What`s that?

911 OPERATOR: The number. Green Lane?

CROSLIN: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: OK, when did you last see her?

CROSLIN: We just, like — you know, it was about 10:00 o`clock. She was sleeping (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK. How old is your daughter?

CROSLIN: She`s 5. Hello?

911 OPERATOR: OK. What was she last seen wearing?

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE) the middle of the night.

911 OPERATOR: Ma`am?

CROSLIN: She was in her pajamas. We were sleeping.

911 OPERATOR: OK. All right. You said your back door was wide open?

CROSLIN: Yes, with a brick. Like, there was a brick (INAUDIBLE). Like, when I went to sleep, the door was not like that.

911 OPERATOR: OK, the back door…

CROSLIN: It was locked.

911 OPERATOR: Listen to me. Your back door was wide open. What are you talking about a brick?

CROSLIN: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: What is the brick?

CROSLIN: It`s on the (INAUDIBLE) on the stairs. Like (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: And there was a brick laying there?

CROSLIN: Yes. It`s still there.

(CROSSTALK)

CUMMINGS: … better come on!

911 OPERATOR: We got them coming. Tell him we got them coming.

CROSLIN: They`re coming.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Joining us tonight exclusively since the stepmother of little Haleigh apparently flunks a polygraph, the child`s mother, Crystal Sheffield, and her mother, the grandmother, Marie Griffis, joining us out of Florida.

To Crystal Sheffield. You mentioned that Misty Croslin`s first polygraph, the one administered by police, was full of inconsistencies. How did you find that out?

SHEFFIELD: No, not the polygraph, just her stories. I know nothing about the polygraph from the police. I have not revealed that.

GRACE: OK. Why did you — where did you learn that what she told police was full of inconsistencies?

SHEFFIELD: The — it was on your show, actually. I think it was one of the investigators. He said that, We`ve known all along that her stories was full of inconsistencies.

GRACE: You made an accusation that Croslin was on a drug binge. Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

CROSLIN: No, I don`t.

GRACE: Then why did you say it?

CROSLIN: It was just a thought. I mean, maybe she was. Maybe she wasn`t.

GRACE: It was just a thought. So you have nothing to support the claim that she was on a drug binge around the time Haleigh goes missing?<<<<

CROSLIN: Well, there`s been people that have been questioned that said she was on a drug binge before Haleigh went missing.<<<<

GRACE: OK. Let`s go to calls. To Sharon in Alabama. Hi, Sharon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank you for taking my call.

GRACE: Thank you for calling. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When this case first started, you all showed a map of registered sex offenders in the area.

GRACE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I`m wondering if Misty may have had one of those as her guest on that night. And you know, she`s talking about she had four guests and it was foggy, so I assume there might be drugs and drinking going on. So I`m wondering if she had a registered sex offender in there and now she`s scared to death to tell anybody.

GRACE: Out to Natisha Lance. I know police questioned or looked up all of those sex offenders. I remember when they did it. But have there been accusations that have surfaced that she and was entertaining men in the home the night Haleigh goes missing?

LANCE: There have been accusations that she was entertaining some people in the home the night Haleigh was missing. We don`t know if they were male or female, but there have been those accusations. And yes, all the sex offenders in the area were questioned more than once. They canvassed that area over and over again.

GRACE: Out to Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Mike, weigh in? What do you make of it, the fact — in my mind, the fact that police are bringing in new blood — not that there was anything wrong with the old team, they were excellent — but new blood to put fresh eyes on it, and that they bring in Cummings, who, I would like to add, came voluntarily, where they grill him over his phone records — Who were you calling, what were you talking about with Misty Croslin just before the child goes missing — now we find out they have a major argument just before she goes missing to the point where Misty Croslin apparently cuts her cell phone off.

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, Nancy, that`s a great point. And if you recall, back early on, I brought up what was in the police report, where he called her, My dumb “B” girlfriend.” Now, as — in reference to law enforcement, they had done this before and got some fresh eyes on the case. Sounds like they`re doing it again. I don`t have a problem with it. But still, you know, all these eyes looking at this, they`re still not coming up with one big thing, probable cause.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

CUMMINGS: Hello?

911 OPERATOR: OK, sir, let me talk to your wife. Let me get some information from her.

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK…

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: Can I talk to her?

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK.

CUMMINGS: How the (DELETED) can you let my daughter get stole (DELETED)?

911 OPERATOR: Tell him we got them coming. He needs to try to calm down a little bit, OK? The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

CUMMINGS: Give me my (DELETED) phone! I got better people to talk to than a (DELETED) (DELETED) that ain`t coming!

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CROSLIN: They`ve been on me for six months. They haven`t left me alone for six months. I`ve been the one, the main focus. They just need to move on and look for the right person.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Out to the lines. Gina in Florida. Hi, Gina.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. The night that Haleigh went missing, the back door to the trailer was propped open with a brick. It`s possible Misty put the brick there so she could get back into the house after partying without waking up the children. So my question is, if Misty did go out that night, could someone who knew that the kids were left alone go back to the house and abduct Haleigh?

GRACE: I think that is entirely possible. But let`s analyze this, Dr. Patricia Saunders — Saunders joining us from New York, clinical psychologist. Let`s think it through. Is Dr. Saunders with us? Liz, can you please put her up on the screen? Hi, Doctor. Doctor, if her only offense was that she went out that night — she shouldn`t have gone out to party, shouldn`t have gone out on a date, whatever — if that were her only offense, if that was the only problem, don`t you think she would have come clean to that by now?

PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely, Nancy. No question about it. There are not only inconsistencies, but this is a person who maintains that she passed the voice stress test and the polygraph, even though experts have said no. That`s someone who`s willing to ignore and distort reality. So she is walking around in a dream-like state, as she says.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers — Susan Moss, New York, Richard Herman, famed defense attorney out of New York, Kirby Clements (ph), former prosecutor turned defense attorney out of Atlanta. Richard Herman, what do you make of it?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Look, polygraphs are not the facts. So we`ve got to get that straight, Doctor. They`re not reality and they`re not the facts. They`re not accepted in court. So let`s move away from that.

GRACE: OK. Put Herman up, please.

HERMAN: Oh!

GRACE: Richard…

HERMAN: Nancy, no one`s going to…

GRACE: Try, try, try to be truthful, all right? Just try. Have you ever — and I already know the answer, so don`t try to waffle. Have you ever sent one of your clients for a polygraph?

HERMAN: Yes, I have.

GRACE: Why?

HERMAN: I did it so that I could show it to…

GRACE: Because…

HERMAN: … a prosecutor like you…

GRACE: … you…

HERMAN: … who I know would ignore it!

GRACE: … believed it!

HERMAN: You would ignore it, Nancy!

GRACE: You believed it. So don`t jump up on this show and try to pretend they have no validity!

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Misty Cummings has said she put Haleigh to bed that February night and then later she went to sleep. Miller said Ronald does not buy that story. <<<<<

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was the bed made?

MISTY CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S STEPMOM, LAST SEEN HALEIGH: No, I was sleeping in that bed. How would the bed be made if someone`s sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it. But how would it — me and his son. How would the bed be made if we were in the bed sleeping? <<<<

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right beside me on my left is the bed where Misty Croslin was sleeping, and here on the right we have the bed where little Haleigh was sleeping. And you can see it is all but about 3 1/2 feet from each other. And this is right where Misty said she got up and she had to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

M. CUMMINGS: When I went to sleep, she was there. And then when I woke up she was gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said that she never made the bed that night, she`d been awake all night, she never went to sleep, they did not have any laundry detergent, so she never washed clothes.

M. CUMMINGS: If they`d go out and look for the right person maybe they`d have the answers. But they`re trying to get all the answers from me that I don`t have.

TIM MILLER, DIRECTOR, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: I`d love to get that little girl home. Ronald said if he had $35,000 he could get her home. Well, you know what? I`ve got five people that could go ahead and get $35,000 and we could put it in a special account tomorrow.

And when little Haleigh comes home, she can go ahead and give that $35,000 to somebody and we`re all full of (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Joining us tonight, Haleigh`s mother, Crystal Sheffield, and grandmother, Marie Griffis.

To you, Miss Griffis, thank you for being with us. You stated that at the very beginning you doubted Croslin`s story. Why? <<<<

MARIE GRIFFIS, GRANDMOTHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: Because of the inconsistencies with the bed and who was sleeping in what bed. There were four different stories.

GRACE: What were the four stories?

GRIFFIS: Well, one minute all three of them were in the — in the same bed. Then Haleigh was on a different bed. And it was just her and Butterbean. Then — and Butterbean is Junior, by the way. Then he was in a totally different room other than her and Haleigh. And it just kept getting bigger and bigger.

GRACE: What, if anything, have you been told about her police polygraph?

GRIFFIS: That they were full of inconsistencies.

GRACE: Such as?

GRIFFIS: As her timeline. They can`t figure out whether she was or was not at home. If — it`s one right after another. It`s all mind- boggling.

GRACE: To Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh`s mother. Crystal, recently she has suggested that the four people were in the home that evening. Have you heard that version?

CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, MOM OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: No. The only thing I`ve heard was about the AC guy and her brother that stopped by. That`s the only people I know about. And she said they left, both of them. <<<<<<

GRACE: Back to T.J. Hart with WSKY. T.J., I want to focus specifically on what the cops are focusing on right now that we know of. And that is this phone timeline. They are focusing, honing in on a big argument that Ronald Cummings had with Misty Croslin just before the child goes missing.

So you`re telling me you have no idea what the argument was about, you know nothing about it?

T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIR., WSKY 97.3FM, COVERING STORY (via phone): That`s according to his attorney. That`s for sure. He said there was a brief argument and that was the end of it. That`s Ron talking to his attorney.

GRACE: OK. Natisha, what do you know?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, according to Tim Miller, they were arguing about — Misty had apparently been gone for several days prior to Haleigh going missing. She had just come back into the house. They had had arguments about possibly some — her entertaining other people outside of their relationship. <<<<<<

And when she came back into the house that argument had carried over and carried over also into the day that Haleigh went missing. <<<<<<

GRACE: To Susan Moss, child advocate, family law attorney. Susan, how often have you seen when spouses argue, one takes it out on the child? Like the father and the mother argues just recently and the father throws the baby off a bridge. That just happened.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Absolutely. Unfortunately too often. Or another scenario is perhaps that she got in a fight and maybe she left. Or somehow the timeline is screwed up. I mean, she failed this poly. Oh, golly. I mean, come on. This is a surprise to no one.

This is a 16-year-old who has changed her stories multiple times. She didn`t call the cops until dad came home and literally forced her to call the cops. And also, this child was taken from a small trailer? How did she not know? It`s just surprising to me her nose hasn`t grown.

GRACE: To Kirby Clements. Kirby, you`re a veteran trial lawyer. You`ve been on both sides of the fence. You were a felony prosecutor. Now you`re a defense attorney. What do you make of the fact that Susan just brought up. She didn`t call the cops until Cummings gets home and says where the H is the baby? Then they call the cops.

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that is a problem, and I have to tell you that anytime your client.

GRACE: Boy, you sure are putting perfume on a pig? That`s a problem. That`s all you can say?

CLEMENTS: It is a problem.

GRACE: You have to sugarcoat that pill.

CLEMENTS: Well, you know, we have to find out what else is going on. I mean if I`m her lawyer, I`m focusing on the father, too. After all, you know.

GRACE: The father? You`re focusing on the father?

CLEMENTS: I would have to focus on the father. This story doesn`t make sense.

GRACE: The father wasn`t home when she went missing.

CLEMENTS: Well, you know what.

GRACE: So why focus on the father?

CLEMENTS: No one knows what time.

GRACE: That doesn`t even make sense.

CLEMENTS: The problem is nobody knows what time the child went missing. Everybody`s.

GRACE: We know when he went to work by all accounts.

CLEMENTS: Says who?

GRACE: Says Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin and the child was seen that day at school up until that afternoon just before Cummings goes to work. <<<<<<

CLEMENTS: What time did the child end up missing? Nobody can answer that question. You all say that this poor — this young 17-year-old girl, she`s lying, she`s.

GRACE: I`m not saying what time the child goes missing.

I want to go back to Crystal Sheffield. You bring up a great point, Kirby. Crystal Sheffield, you`re the mom. What time was Haleigh last seen by anybody other than Cummings and Croslin?

SHEFFIELD: The last time I seen her was.

GRACE: I didn`t ask when you saw her. Certainly, you as the biological mother know the facts of this case. So when was she last seen by someone other than the father and the stepmother?

SHEFFIELD: That I don`t know. I know that the last time Misty says she seen her was 8:00.

GRACE: You don`t know where she was that day? You haven`t found out?

SHEFFIELD: She was at school that day.

GRACE: Until what time?

SHEFFIELD: She gets off the bus about 3:00 something? It`s what I was told.

GRACE: She gets off the buss at 3:00 or she gets out of school at 3:00?

SHEFFIELD: She gets off the bus around 3:00. A little after 3:00.

GRACE: Do you know what time she would get out of school?

SHEFFIELD: No.

GRACE: Why?

SHEFFIELD: I don`t live there. I don`t live there.

GRACE: You didn`t know what time your daughter got out of school?

SHEFFIELD: I`m assuming around 2:30. I don`t live there. I was never told those kind of things.

GRACE: To Dr. Marty Makary. You know, Dr. Marty, I`m starting to think this child never had a chance. She didn`t have a chance. She`s also got Turner syndrome. Could you just tell me what obstacles she would face with Turner syndrome if she were taken by an outsider that didn`t know how to treat her?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, in short, she had a lot of medical needs. This was a child who most likely had frequent coughs, the flu, sore throat, upper respiratory tract infections. This child we know had seen the doctor many times, had been hospitalized already at her young age, and we know this is a condition which affects the development of kids because they have a lot of medical needs.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Deann, Wisconsin. Hi, Deann.

DEANN, CALLER FROM WISCONSIN: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear, what`s your question?

DEANN: I`m just wondering, has her father taken a polygraph test?

GRACE: The father? The biodad?

DEANN: Yes.

GRACE: Absolutely. And to our knowledge he`s passed.

Kim in Ohio, what`s your question, dear?

KIM, CALLER FROM OHIO: Hi, Nancy. I just wanted to know why has she not been arrested if she flunked the poly?

GRACE: Well, because polygraphs, unless they`re agreed to up front, are not admissible in court. It`s not enough for probable cause. For all we know she could be lying about a tangential issue such as what she did earlier that evening. So they can`t pin a case on a flunked poly.CathyJo63
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Forgive me if this has already been said on the board today, but just now read the article about Tommy’s lawyer just stated Haleigh died in the home at the hands of an angry Joe Overstreet, but who knows if this is true or not. So many lies…….

MY Original Theory….
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by CathyJo63 on Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:40 pm

I think you all know my theory,I’ve had since the first week og Haleigh’s Gone Missing,
I believe that Misty and the black guy,(man in black)were having sex and Haleigh caught them and she’s old enough to tell Daddy! So they have to act fast and in a rush they take her body somewhere and are running out of time so,The guy drop’s Misty off close to home to make sure Ron’s not home yet and that he’s not seen there..or the guy take’s Haleigh’s body somewhere and Misty’s frantic hoping he get’s back in time to get her thing’s and be gone before Ronald get’s home,In the meantime Misty prop’s the door open so she can throw her stuff into his auto or the van that had been checked by the police but before the guy get’s back or as soon as they get back together she comes in and start’s gathering her stuff from the closet’s and everywhere (explain’s the closet’s and stuff torn out and Misty looking for Haleigh everywhere,under bed’s etc) but frantic for time and guess what? Ron’s pulling in and she’s already frantic because she thought she’d be gone and wouldn’t have to face him, and when he came in she was a wreck and convinced him and 911 that it happened the way she said it did…the frantic and shaking voice and you can tell Misty is terrified of him anyway,I know a scared woman the second I see one and she was terrified of him more than LE!
Either she was having sex with the black guy “no bias inteneded “Just going on what Jr. supposedly said he saw”……Man in black or Black Man…..? Before we knew this though I thought,OMG she was having sex with her brother and got caught,only thing that makes sense anymore!

Look how different her call to 911 was when she got robbed buying drug’s! That was sheer terror!
She was crying hysterically because her purse was torn! Different than the Haleigh call!! Just plain scared!CathyJo63
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I just don’t see how an angry JO, in a rampage, killing Haleigh in the home, and Jr doesn’t hear or see anything. He was nearly 4 years old, if he saw such a traumatic event he would have told. Just like he would have told if Misty had taken him and Haleigh out partying that night.

What I have heard him say (or Crystal say he said) is that he saw somebody pick Haleigh up and take her and that Misty was sleeping.

Tommy’s lawyer just said that he and Joe went over to borrow the gun, it was not there, Tommy said he walked into the bedroom to find an angry Joe in there and Haleigh was no longer alive… but right….where was Jr. if this was happening?

The missing 5-year-old, vanished from her trailer in February 2009. According to Werter, Tommy Croslin says he and his cousin, Joe Overstreet, visited the home where Haleigh Cummings lived with her father Ronald Cummins and his then girlfriend, Misty Croslin, the night Haleigh Cummings went missing. Werter says Overstreet wanted to borrow an automatic rifle at the home to go deer hunting and that Overstreet became irate when he learned the gun was not there. “Things happened from there,” Werter said, explaining Croslin, Jr. went into the trailer bedroom to find Overstreet in a rage and Haleigh Cummings no longer alive.

this is the article I just read???? Sorry about the double posts.

sometimes i almost think she has a thing against women! shesh,Melinda,casey,misty…….tho some deserve it but just saying………imo

Radio Transmissions on the Night Haleigh Vanished!
by CathyJo63 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:44 pm

SATSUMA, FL — Newly released radio transmissions shed more light on the night Haleigh Cummings vanished from her bedroom.

A ‘signal 8,’ which is police chatter for a missing person, alerted deputies to 202 Green Lane, Haleigh’s home.

“I got the age on this kid,” said one deputy. “Is it a boy or a girl?

“Whiskey Foxtrot,” said dispatch. It’s code for white female. “Last seen wearing her PJs.”

Deputies swarm her neighborhood and take note of the railroad tracks. Dispatch informs them a train just passed through.

More deputies respond, some need directions from dispatchers. And the sheriff’s office works to get dogs and helicopters to the scene.

“Stay at the residence,” said one deputy to a colleague. “Maintain that point of access in reference to the canine and do another thorough search from inside the house.”

©2010 First Coast News. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, rewritten, or redistributed.

tobias said,in May 14th, 2010 at 11:52 am Cathy, Do you remember which tape it was that Linsy and Tomy were talking about Misty getting beat up by Rob and how Ron beat her too? I want to go back and listen again because I think they both agreed she was better off with this Rob guy. jmo

I did have it brb

who knows CathyJo, I am wondering if we will ever really know……

Tobias,I can’t find it,ill keep looking but i watched it not too long ago,i know!

you and me chrissy!!!

Personally, if it were me, before a hearing or trial, if my lawyer went on NG and spilled the beans on info related to me or my case, I would kick him to the curb. However, if what Tommy’s lawyer says is what happened, then Tommy should have no trouble passing a LDT on that information, jmo, he has presumbably failed so many, well, Lord if he did pass one, surely it would be because “some” of the truth finally came out, only time will tell I guess.

What gets me about NG is she has these experts on and when they dont agree with her she cuts them off or says something stupid. Usually ….. second verse same as the first..Putting perfume on a pig… thats not what I asked you….how long have you been in law? it just goes on and on with her, I dont know why anyonew would subject themselves to her abuse??? jmo

Tobias,
Was that an answer for my Question ?

WESH misreported the info, this is what the news team stated:”We believe the negotiations are still being negotiated and we plan to update our site”

WTF!!! That is no where the same as REACHED a deal, must be taking lessons for ORange Art:)

Linda – I believe Ronald said the beds were made – I don’t remember where I read that but I will look.

CathyJo63, I believe it was the Pick Your Poison article dated May 5th,2010. This is where I think they are talking about Rob was better than Ron.

I don’t believe that Ron said the bed was made, as in not slept in. Maybe he said they were made in they had sheets and blankets on them. That info came from TM, I believe, who said Ron said it. I don’t remember ever hearing Ron saying that out of his own mouth, but I could have missed it.

I googled Ronald Cummings Bed made and got this from Watts’ site:

She claims she put Haleigh down at 8:00pm and went to sleep herself at 10:00 and awoke abruptly at 3:00 to find Haleigh gone. Now even her husband Ronald isn’t buying that story “she never went to bed that night” he said “the bed was made” Police confirmed Ronald’s story. As the investigation closes in on her and investigators focus on those few hours the evening of Feb.9th into early morning Feb.10th that Misty can’t account for. One thing is clear; the only thing that’s consistent about Misty Cummings story is her inconsistencies.

One thing I would like to have cleared up is who the heck is Tallent? Misty says this persons name like she is really wanting him to visit for some reason and it was never cleared up. Hank had talked with him and he said he wouldnt call or visit. It was really wierd. jmo

Cathy, It was strange and she said it on one of the very first tapes when she didnt know it was going to get released. She asked Hank and then asked Lisa too. I dont like loose ends they bug me. jmo

Prob another bf. Who knows with this girl, she makes him kinda sound like her pimp. Not being mean, but thats what it kina sounded like to me, that talent guy? and who names there child Talent? its gotta be a street name you would think.

I think I heard a tape with Cobra saying that misty was in bed asleep just a feet away from Haliegh that > I’m looking for tape

Sorry I just don’t see LE “confirming” anything to Watts given how tight lipped they have been from the start.

I know it’s not going to happen, but it would be nice to hear updates from the Sheriffs dept. Even if it is nothing more than to thank people for the tips they receive. We’d at least know they are still working on finding justice for Haleigh.

Where is Homespain….could have sworn that they posted last week that there would be arrests by the end of this week….stated that like they were in the “know”….said something about having to be careful what they said for “legal reasons”. Tick Tock….no arrests! UGH!

Unfortunately nothing we have can really be verified since everything we get basically comes from the media (spin city) or the jailhouse tapes (lie city). I too with LE would give us a hint as to whether they are about to wrap this up or what! They made the comment after the river search that arrests were coming….I assumed that meant in the near future and they had their evidence…..but weeks later….still nothing. This is making me NUTS!

Linda…true…The news isn’t news anymore…it is sensationalism. It is ALL about ratings. The important stuff isn’t reported…just the juicy, “tawdry”, gossip-laced garbage!

Hello Miss Betty – yes, it is WAY past time for arrests. I’m beginning to wonder if Haleigh will ever receive justice. 😥

Linda, You can hear a snippet of the taped telephone conversation in which which Cobra says, “She was in the bed,” referring to Misty, at the site that we can’t talk about. I doubt that it is posted anywhere else— wouldn’t make sense.

I think when everything is released to the public there are going to be a whole lot of “what the he**” moments.

JB I am thinking the same thing. First Steve Brown said he knew what happened and now fingers being pointed at Jo and still no arrests. Tommy should at least be arrested for witholding evidence. If Jo is not guilty he should be suing for being accused for something he didn’t do. There is a guilty person or persons getting away with murder.

You guys notice WBG is in the Putnam Hilton?

Miss Betty – maybe the reason LE is in no hurry is because the guilty parties (whether that be Ron, Tommy and/or Misty) are already behind bars and they have ALL the time in the world to make their case for murder charges. But it SURE is frustrating for us who love Haleigh and would like to see her get justice and a proper burial!

b*a – yeah, I think it was OJ who brought us that news flash earlier today! LOL Lovely mugshot to boot…..doesn’t look ANYTHING like how I had him pictured.

Kate…you can go to the Putnam Co Sheriff’s department website and see pics of the most recent arrests….WBG is one of them! Arrested today I believe.

Kate,

I think you missed one. The woman who took the letter to the reporter with directions of where Haleigh.

You can go to:

http:// public .pcso . us / jail / booking . aspx

Just copy and paste and take out the spaces. There is a guy named Crites that will make you laugh (or give you nightmares). Sheeeewww doggies he is scary looking! LOL

I think I rate Levi along with Watts they both blow little tid-bits up. then throw bomb shell news out like AH to hope someone of their listening audiance catch it.

But they have sorouces to back them.

Karri, I think that you overestimate lawyers, especially this one. Attny Werter seems completely on board with Steven K. Brown, who was hired by Marie/Johnny Sheffield, who also hired Art Harris, who pumps Nancy Grace and Jane VM with “information,”… the connections are actually quite clear here.

And that telephone call from Tommy to granny Flora? Let’s remember that Art Harris has been in touch with Flora Hollars for months and months, and Granny can’t quite remember where she heard this story or that detail.

All i can say is if this is Levi Pages bombsheel news Mr. Werter is going to release then its not so much a bombshell,its all over the net.

Linda, good point, the mysterious woman who dropped off the letter. Art Harris posted that on his website, too, didn’t he? Was there any follow-up from LE, digging or searching or such?

The only person I have heard threats out of is Ron. Ron on tape with Cobra early in the case talking about the boat ramp and the gators and thinking Haleigh is there. Well gee if I thought my daughter was in there I would demand it be searched. Ron was implicating Joe of this and now we have Tommy saying the same exact story all over again a year later. Seems really strange to me. jmo

Yeah, Greg Lewis Page sure does look different than he did in the Art Harris interviews! And his bond for the drug trafficking charge is $0. Does this mean he is not eligible to get out on bond, like Tommy?

I think Ron relayed this story along with other stories to Tommy and Misty in the beginning. This story was the one Tommy says Lindsy has heard so it was discussed at some point before now. jmo

Thank you, Justice~ Have all the kids been down to visit Tommy in jail? I don’t remember seeing the little girl.

Thanks for the heads up regarding JVM and Tommy’s lawyer coming up tonight. I am ashamed to say that I am eagerly awaiting any new details.

Nancy Grace is supposed to talk about the case tonight, too.

JB, whew, Crites is scary looking, or sad. Looks to me like somebody was really bad to him when he was a kid, burns or something. Sad, and creepy.

Kate , Cobra has been on here saying to beware of you know who because he does things with the tapes. Like he changes the questions he is asking to match the answers he wants.
example: If I first ask you something I want a yes for I then change what I asked you so it sounds like you are agreeing with me. That is also why his name or info is not allowed on here. He is bogus. jmo

LOL, never heard Cobra answer a simple yes or no to any question. He has looooong answers with lots of details.

Kate,

I really don’t like to read AH. report he made along time ago. all I remember is this lady came out of no where and left just the same if cops try track her down i don’t think it made the news .

Linda, well, I certainly agree about AH!

Tobias, really want to take this up w you somewhere else; I will try to figure out how, maybe you have an idea?

bbl

Sorry I do not believe anything TH has to say he is totally nutz imo

Tobias,
I’m not saying I blieve TH. I listen and read alot I don’t beleive. ,how do we no hes nuts.

TH is nutz, he’s the biggest looney toon there is: just a snip from his BIO.

Oh, my God, not this place again!

A squealing roar permeates the entire abyss where I am trapped. Another specter runs up and assaults the baby-monster, biting into its toes and grinding them around in its teeth. The sound of squealing and crunching bones is audible as blood squirts all over, then turns into feces. Then, in an instant, the baby becomes a real human again. “What are you looking at f—ker,” it says. Then as suddenly, I am inside of its intestines.

“Get attached to your eyes,” I hear a voice saying to me. “Try to get attached to your eyes! Let in the light. Let in the light! Get to the light!”

The shrill noises are becoming deafening. The specters are excreting on each other and eating it. They are engaging in sexual acts with instruments. They are raping and torturing each other. They are licking their fingers and giggling – they laugh and they cry – there is no up, down, or horizon. One of them tells me he wants to live inside of my bones, un-peels a banana, and then politely offers me a bite – his skin turns to banana peels – there are maggots on him that I can smell, and I can ‘taste’ the smell.

It is truly the weeping and gnashing of teeth.

“Your eyes Tim, your eyes,” I hear again. I know the only escape from this horrible place is through my eyes because the light is on the other side of them. I begin to hear a chant that gets faster and faster as if tapping a well; “Your eyes, your eyes, your eyes, your eyes, your eyes, your eyes…”

Wham!!! I am pulverized by a huge wave of light and my back arches up like I have been electrocuted. My eyes flip and flutter as light pours into me like oxygen into someone who has been underwater for several minutes.

“Oh thank God!” I try to say. I can’t really talk, though. Nothing on me works properly anymore. There’s no one in charge. I have been relegated to an observer of my own death. I am allowed to participate with my body for only very brief moments.

The sight of the ceiling, windows, and toddler bed in the room are evidence that I am back on earth. I make a weak fist and try to slam it into my chest. I somehow know I am having a heart attack and I am trying to give myself CPR – I just keep gasping.

My body is convulsing.

I attempt to thrust my right arm across my body in a failed effort to create enough momentum to roll myself off the bed. I am trying to fall onto the cold hard floor where it is harder to drift or ‘sleep.’ I have been drunk for over a year straight with no break and I weigh about 85 pounds. My arm just flaps and dangles. I want to cry but that requires energy my body does not have, and I am so dehydrated I would have no tears anyway.

I am so, so alone.

Lying there I can feel my bladder and bowels have been emptied into my pants. It means absolutely nothing to me.

“Don’t shut your eyes, Tim,” I hear again. I know if my eyes stay closed I will remain in that place forever. I have known that for the past three days now as I have departed and returned to my body over and over – I am dying.

I am dying – and I am going to hell.

The Nut Ward

How my body got to the phone in the other room is a mystery. The ambulance ride is a vague memory. I arrive at what the locals call “the third floor.” It is the nut ward of the Northwest Medical Center in Thief River Falls, Minnesota.

“You don’t have much longer to live,” the doctor says. “Your liver never stops trying to clean your blood. You’re going to die, soon.”

From my plastic mat on the floor where I lay in paper pajamas, the tall dark figure in front of the opened steel door speaks to me, glancing up and down from his clip-board. I am deeply medicated to keep me from convulsing or having a heart-attack, so the octaves of his voice are fluctuating and waning as he speaks. “When they brought you in here last night they tried-tried- tried to test your blood alcohol content but the digital lab equipment couldn’t read it. It only reads up to .49 nine-nine-nine-nine,” he says. “You’re going to die die-diiiiii-Die-diiiiiiii.”

My life before this rubber-room was a dizzying kaleidoscope of sinful consumption, sexual immorality, and moral lawlessness, not to mention physical and spiritual sloth. I was a selfish pig of a human being. In all truth, I had a demon in me, and these warnings of impending death meant nothing.

However, this was different.

who is TH?

New Article Folks…. 😀

Notice by now that Misty, Tommy, etc. all describe Joe as F’ing crazy and that’s basically it??
If they were genuine they would use adjectives along the lines of “horrifying”, or at least the word “scary” if “horrifying” has too many syllables.
They have no fear of little Joe.
He is not a Napoleon Bonaparte.

Some may not agree with me but when I see Joe I see someone who has been beaten as a child.
Dogs react the same way, head down, blinking alot under stress, bad eye contact. Anger and fleeing when accused (thats what GH is experiencing when she asks him about Haleigh, only she isnt asking she is questioning his guilt she even says she thought it was him.) jmo

So, Joe may be the guilty party. He has the history and record! Tommy may be guilty of just trying to get pills that night. Joe might of been the one to take advantage when Misty was passed out. Ron has always thought it was Joe but didn’t want to go to jail for doing something to someone who he was only 75% sure did it and spend his days wondering about the other 25% thinking that person could still be out there free.(he said that on record). How could Joe be that threatening to them? However, he was reportedly in his clothes that night sleeping and the van and him were gone when Timmy checked. And he hi-tailed it out of town that next morning. Joe’s aunt said (on record) that the cops have been staked outside his house 24/7. She wonders why that would be if he was innocent. So, there may be a lot to this. I sure hope so.

Still catching up on reading these comments, there are so many I can hardly scroll my page, lol…

I wanted to say BSJ – on your post earlier on that explains the allegid dynamics, I really think you have it nailed. I do have one question. Someone is missing. If you have Tommy and Misty covering, then who did it? Also, who was in the background on the 911 call, and why was an officer already at Tommy’s house the night of the 911 call? Do you think the officer was a bad seed and thus messed things up from the start since that was the officer who responded and went to the mh first…???

I really appreciated your post. Oh, ya how does TN fall into place? Thanks and take care everyone. 🙂

I know we’ve all moved on from this phone call but it is so goofy. Like you all said, this stuff about Tommy saying, “Don’t tell Joe,” and Flora says, “I won’t baby, I won’t,” and the next day and then for weeks following she is on every TV show that invites her. So Joe won’t know, because he doesn’t watch TV?