Our good friend in St Augustine picked up he DVD’s and uploaded them to the WSKY 97.3 FTP site earlier today. You can catch all of them in this article.
We have hours of material to go through. But one thing is clear, Misty Croslin is getting very grumpy with being behind bars.
Unless I am most mistaken, Misty has plenty of cash in her jail house account, so she should be in good shape for getting Twinkie Bars and whatever else she needs. Although she might find it better to invest in some elocution lessons. In the span of two minutes she manages to use the F-word in most parts of speech. It would be humorous under other circumstances, but it just loses it for me.
It has been said by some that are in the know that there are many similarities between the Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings cases. I am now even more convinced that this is true.
The phone calls are ‘whiney’, why me? Send more! I hate this life, get me out!
Here is the problem, at least as I see it. There are two very different cases going on, we have the search for Haleigh Cummings, and we also have the drug dealing one. From months and months ago Law Enforcement said that Misty Croslin holds the key to what happened to Haleigh Cummings. LE had little to hassle Misty Croslin with, under-age purchase of Tobacco products hardly seemed to hit the spot. Being young and stupid is no defence, but nothing seemed to phase Misty.
Arrogance, youth, stupidity, and greed finally got her.
In the deal PCSO also managed to roll up ex hubby Ronald Cummings, Misty’s brother Hank Croslin Jr (Tommy), and interestingly enough Donna Brock (Ex Texas Equusearch).
They all seem destined for LONG jail sentences. I am sure that deals could be reached, but who is going to crack first? It also becomes a more complex situation, could a plea deal on the Haleigh Cummings case buy safety in the drug case?
We have many hours of audio, it will take quite some time to digest it all.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackbackwell they are the same old…interesting Misty tells sis-in-law 2 people will be hurt when she talks
Frankly, I think these tapes have become irrelevant to the Haleigh investigation. They know they are being recorded so no useful information will be said. Misty has become belligerent and the use of the F-bomb by this selfish child is nauseating!
I’ve been reading what CathyJo63, Texasmommy39 and me were discussing the other day and I am convinced they are on the right path and that the Sheffield family has HaLeigh hidden somewhere. If you are really interested in the situation, check out writeintoaction.com and patiently sift through the material, even ask some questions (politely and respectfully). When you look at everything through this lens it all comes into focus.
I do agree that Misty Croslin and Casey Anthony behave similarly in jail but I’m not sure I would behave any differently. Maybe someone whose been there can weigh in?
Simon and Jan: Thank you for all your hard work. It is greatly appreciated. As a blogger in the Casey Anthony Case- it is my opinion that there is no significant similarities between the 2 children. One missing – one murdered. IMO Casey is a diabolical sociopath, whereas, Misty is a child trying to survive with a 6th grade education, a learning disability, family unit filled with addiction and safety issues. Misty is a child with NO childhood. I enjoy your blogs- thank you for allowing me to share my opinions.
I don’t think Misty hurt Haleigh that night she was babysitting. I think she was off the planet somewhere while being spaced out on drugs. She was unaware of reality and is brain damaged. Maybe Misty was negligent with the care of Haleigh but the family members didn’t care who was watching their beloved Haleigh and Junior. Misty didn’t want to babysit her that night–maybe she realized she wasn’t in the right condition to sit with her. BUT the Grandmother and Ronald didn’t seem to care if she had a drug problem and the danger associated with it. I feel sorry about the tragic effects of drug use on families and society.
Misty uses the F word due to lack of vocabulary. If she did not use expletives, she would not be able to carry on a conversation. She more than likely is brain damaged, due to drugs taken by her parents before her own birth but that does not excuse what happened. If she did not want to babysit, she was not obligated to do so and should have left the house before Ron went to work or at least called someone to come stay with the children. Ron is not totally faultless in this case either, he knew what she was when he entrusted his children to her care. Little Haleigh will not be found alive, if the Sheffields had her hidden away, there would certainly be a slip of some information. Things like this come to the surface in some way, too risky on their part. Think of the consequences of this coming into the open. There would be criminal charges to face. Haleigh is gone, I fear since there has been no sightings or information to indicate that she is still alive. Another sad story of a precious child who got in the way. God is watching!
>>>> Thank you, TJ !!! <<<<<
JMO & ATJ
Does anyone know if there will be cameras in the court room with this Berger Judge? Also any sentences she has handed out for drug offenses, links to them. I really don’t like the idea of a cop talking with the Judge prior to hearing a case and already determining the sentence, where I am that would never be allowed. I don’t like this Jason character I think he is evil in his mind and soul, I would fear for my children in his presence, wicked wicked man.
DustyRose said,in March 9th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
I really don’t like the idea of a cop talking with the Judge prior to hearing a case and already determining the sentence…
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Same here.
the answer is – Misty knows NOTHING! Shes a scapegoat for LEs ineptitude…shame on them!
Not sold on whether Misty knows or was too drugged out of her mind to know anything. Watching the tapes w/her and the uc show how zoned out she becomes. I believe the 2 people who know every single detail are Ron Cummings and Teresa Neves.
Just my opinion.
KATE: I’ve been saying the same thing in my posts too. I know there long, but maybe read them; its weird,cuz once u start listening to those,it all adds up, but alot of people here have knowledge of Holmseth, and have told me to listen carefully, and info is taken out of context; i guess just like the videos from jail.
ronfan said: Glad we are on the same page. Misty is guilty of some small drug deals but certainly not guilty of harming HaLeigh!
nanabee: Actually, the Sheffields do slip up. If you read the conversation between CathyJo63, “me” and Texasmommy39 the other day, they lead you to the tape where Marie Griffis looks at Crystal Sheffield for the LONGEST time when the interviewer asks Crystal what she thinks happened to HaLeigh. Then, I’m pretty sure that it is in that interview, but it might be in another, Crystal answers that “somebody took HaLeigh,” and she gets a very blank and confused look on her face when the interviewer asks her how she knows that.
Also, CathyJo63 and Texasmommy39 have excerpts of Marie’s “psychic” abilities. Read those, too.
There are more subtle “slip ups,” but I don’t have time to write more tonight.
KATE: That interview w/crystal and marie has really been a hot topic!! It was ridiculous, I think her response was “I just Know”
You know what else bugs me: Why was Ron the hysterical parent, and Crystal was comforting HIM, isn’t that usually the opposite???
Whhhaaaattt??
I also think I saw Marie Griffis attempt to burn Teresa Neves’ hair with a vigil candle….LOL
Sorry, couldn’t resist, but that Marie Griffis just creeps me out.
Hello…..cruel…world =|
ronfan said: You make me laugh! If you can direct me to the “burning hair vigil” I’d love to take a look :). And good point about Crystal comforting Ron. Whoda’ thunk!
As I understand it, the most important things to know are that Crystal owed about $11,000 in child support and was headed to jail and that her bio dad, Johnny Marty Sheffield, is retired from the PCSO. It is not clear who in the Sheffield/Griffis clan actually picked HaLeigh up but they are the masterminds behind the situation.
Oh, another essential is that if you listen to Holmseth you learn that what Jr. actually said was NOT that a man in black took my sissy. It was “that a woman took my sissy.”
Anyhow, if the PCSO arrests a Sheffield or a Griffis then their crimes will be exposed and apparently there are plenty of them. The intention was for the case to go cold and, I assume, for Crystal to get custody of Jr. Then, when HaLeigh is dropped off at a McDonald’s or whatever, custody of HaLeigh goes to her as well.
That didn’t play out as planned. Richard Grund volunteered to help with the search and invited Cobra. Cobra brought in Kim Picazio and Art Harris and the whole thing got a lot more national attention than the Sheffields, Griffis’ and PCSO anticipated.
Cobra contacted Holmseth (writeintoaction.com)because of a song Holmseth wrote about Haleigh and put up in a video. (Actually, there are at least two and you can find them on the website.) Maybe Cobra thought Holmseth was safe reporter to contact because he was way up in northern Minnesota, about as far away as a person can culturally get from Putnam County, FL and still be in the U.S.
But Holmseth didn’t follow Cobra’s agenda, he actually investigated the situation. And a lot of people were initially willing to talk to him, as you will hear at writeintoaction.com. The excerpts don’t support his points as strongly as one might hope but keep at it and it will fall into place. You have to work past the melodrama as well.
But really, the guy has an amazing amount of information. Although that makes it hard, too, because he presents a lot of misdeeds and crimes that don’t directly relate to what happened to HaLeigh. You have to get past the who slept with whom to get to the meat of the issue.
But what Holmseth did do right was turn over the information to the FBI and the US Attorney General. It matters more than anything so kudos to him!! And he made the information available to us inquiring minds so another round of applause.
Prayers for HaLeigh and Jr. and all children.
nanna bee,
I agree with everything you wrote on Mar 9 at 7:50.
nanna bee
I agree with everything you said on Mar 9 at 7:50, especially the last couple of sentences.
I don’t get it why all the manipulation. I just read the NG transcripts and her repeated claims there are no drugs in Prison. I know this to be a lie because I use to smuggle drugs into prison myself along side my sister, we were eight and nine years old, I’m now 43. It was when boys in the province were adults at 16 and girls at eighteen, crazy law. My oldest brother was in prison for drug crimes. Every Sunday myself and my sister were loaded up literally wrapped up in more drugs than this whole clan dealt. We would make it through the three gates and into the visit room, in person visits. Each one of us at different times would ask to go to the bathroom and there we would climb up on the back of the toilet lift back the white ceiling board and put the drugs in the ceiling. The guy who moped the floors later picked them up and then took them to my brother who distributed them through the prison. One time I fell and hit my head on the floor the tile was in grout and the lines left a cross in each knee and the middle of my forehead. I was attending Catholic school and I was sure it was a sign from God and that I was going to pay a price for what I was doing. We couldn’t go to the cops because there was a cop involved who had been blacked mailed over being taped demanding drug money. He went on to be a coach of a hockey team, Juniors and later a scout. Were just one of thousands of stories like that so I do not understand why all the manipulating and that is why I don’t like cops like Jason they don’t give a damn who they hurt to get what they want!!!
I see alot of similarities between Casey and Misty. They both say They can’t help find Haleigh/Caylee sitting in jail. They both sure didn’t use their free time looking for them either. Casey says her whole life has been taken from her, NO! she is still alive and breathing, Her beautiful daughter is NOT! Misty blames the police for ruining EVERYTHING! She and Ron were getting back together. It was coming together for them. Misty fails to remember she was selling drugs and that is a crime. It was Ron and Misty who ruined their everything; not the police.
Now Misty is saying what she knows is going to hurt two people. Misty tells Chelsea Croslin it is someone she cares alot about and the other kind of. Hank Sr. thinks he knows who she might be pointing at and tells Misty he don’t believe it. I don’t believe that Chelsea and the rest of the Croslin clan know the Sheffield/ Griffis and care about them all that much so it cannot be the maternal side who has Haleigh going by Mistys statements.
Misty was sure angered at the fact that LP was going to bail Tommy out without any strings once he receives a bond, but would not bond Her out without strings. I think it was a good thing Hank Sr. told Misty that Tommy was going to take a poly. jmo
Thank you me.
m2c thank you as well.
I will be stopping by the articles to keep updated and when I get back in to town I will be ready for that discussion to continue.
Had to make a trip to Florida LOL
Sitting on the beach this morning in Panama City Beach with my cup of coffee catching up.
Kate I look forward to chatting with you.
TTYL
Something is bothering me.. and maybe someone else might have an answer.. First of all it is out of prodical for this to occur with PCSO or any law enforcement.. How did this come about?
In the Video Tapes, on the day of the arrest.. We see Misty receive two brown paper bags with pills inside each bag, and the pills are counted for accuracy by both misty and ron. Misty puts these bags into her white purse!! We see this on the video tape.. Suddenly, the swat team rushes in and both are taken out of the vehicle, face down, under arrest…
Thats all we see…
Now, in further video tapes, we hear and see misty talking to her mom, dad, and makes comments that Her Purse, camera and cell phone were left in the back seat of Katrina’s car, and Katrina has them.. Call Katrina..
My question, and confusion..
HOW DID THAT PURSE GET INTO KATRINA’S CAR????
Procedure would be that the purse would be searched at the scene and taken with the suspect under arrest to the jail, placed in a container, plastic, paper whatever, sealed and put into Personal Property…. Because, once the Suspect is under arrest, the PCSO or LE is responible for the safe keeping of this person Property…. Bottom line!!!!
WHO PUT THIS PERSONAL PROPERTY INTO KATRINA’S CAR??? AND WHY???
There is a cell phone, that could contain info on other drug deals? Other conversations that might be important to LE aka PCSO…
This camera might contain photos, that PCSO aka LE detectives might want to see.. Since the drugs were put into this purse, this purse should become part of the evidence chain!!!
WHO BROKE PROCEDURE AND PUT THE PURSE IN KATRINA’S CAR????
ANYONE WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE PURSE, CAMERA AND CELL PHONE IS?? ASK KATRINA!!! SHE KNOWS!!!!
melee. Your post got me to thinking. What if Misty had two separate purses. The one she may have left in the car with Katrina that had all her personal belongings in case she got robbed again. Misty have used the purse we saw in the video to just carry the pills in so it would be disguised.
Kate, since you’ve done such a good job of advertising for TH and his website, I feel obligated to my fellow bloggers and other readers here to say BE CAREFUL!
Be careful:
– what conclusions you draw as headlines are often sensationalized and misleading when you read the actual quote or story.
– in assuming that what you “hear” on audio recordings has not been taken out of context or “snipped” (edited) to imply a meaning that may not be what the person intended.
– if you contact him with a question (politely and respectfully as Kate warns), please be aware when you email him he has your email addy and IP. AND there is nothing to prevent him (that I know of) from showing your entire email etc on his web site if he wants to. Considering his preferred style, your email might appear right under a headline that puts you and your email in a pretty bad light.
– It seems that he enthusiastically accuses lots of people of lots of things when writing the authorities. So do your best to not become one of the accused.
My opinions (above) have nothing to do with whatever theory of the case TH has.
My opinions are based on what I’ve perceived as pretty low quality, questionable “reporting” (IMO). For me it is SO time-consuming and difficult to sift thru his “info” and try to determine if something is a fact or meaningful in any way AND how/if it’s been twisted/edited to appear to be a fact that it’s a waste of time to me. And I don’t need it. So far there hasn’t been any info that I need to know that I won’t learn elsewhere from someone, somewhere that I can trust.
m2c – well said. I only went once and I didn’t find anything useful. I can get all the info I need right here and it is provided as fact or if unconfirmed then it is noted as such. I don’t have to guess and I know how to process the information in my mind. Simon and Jan provide the facts, give us the video and tapes to listen to and let us judge for ourselves. I don’t need anyone to “think” for me and I certainly don’t need anyone twisting the facts to follow their agenda. This case is twisted enough as it is.
“Two people will be hurt when she talks.” Could it be Misty and Ron? She will be hurting herself by admitting a role in the disappearance and Ron because he gave her the benefit of the doubt?
Hi, JB!
Yes and I want to make it clear that my comment at 9:17 was not meant to imply that people can’t read and think for themselves. Of course they can! YOU did! LOL!
But some personal friends of mine (not on the net) tend to believe what they read. They sort of take people at face value and don’t suspect other possibilities. They are trusting souls. God bless their hearts! They’re truly good people.
So my comment is well-intentioned toward everyone and I hope everyone will “take it or leave it” as they wish (and not take offense).
Dedecee said,in March 10th, 2010 at 10:11 am “Two people will be hurt when she talks…”
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This is driving me CRAZY! Wondering what two people! And you could be right – that the two people she’s going to blame are the ones who will be hurt.
Or maybe it’s kind of the reverse – maybe she means family or friends of whoever she’s going to blame this on? For example, if she blames it on R, then his mother and grandmother would be hurt.
I don’t know. I can only imagine that her lawyer must be tearing his hair out with her yakking like this.
Mlee and looking for Justice-
About M’s purse(s).
I tend to think that the big white bag in the video is probably more of a “tote bag” she brought along for the drug buy. It’s likely that her personal purse and other belongings like cell phone and camera were not in it.
But if LE has NOT collected those things as evidence then what the hey? All of that should be considered evidence because of the info they may contain. And if Katrina drove either M or R to the drug buy why would she be allowed to just drive off? In NORMAL circumstances (like any other drug take down) that person would be a suspect (at least temporarily) and the car searched and the person questioned. Very very strange if LE did not do that.
m2c I believe that is what was trying to say. You just put into perspective for me. I am so tired today. I have been going non- stop. Thank you. I also agree with you on the TH site.
see m2c I forgot to type I was trying to say. My fingers are not typing what is trying to escape my brain. Sorry for the typo.
Looking for Justice @ 11:06am – You’re right! Sorry for that! All I should have said in my post was that I agree with you about the purses and agree with mlee that whatever was in the other car-plus that driver- should have been investigated.
If I remember correctly Misty said that both she and Ron were with Katrina. Ron did not have his truck. Misty said Katrina saw swat pulling up and she pulled out of there. I hope LE went to see Katrina to retrieve Mistys purse. There could be alot of info there and pics tell a story.
m2c it is fine. You said it better than I did. Like I said I am so tired, but if I took a nap I would not sleep tonight.
Hi, looking for Justice! I’ve heard that a 20 minute “power nap” works well. Can you try that? Set the alarm? It’s supposed to be very refreshing and actually better than a longer nap.
I agree. If LE did not follow up right away with Katrina, her car and everything in it, then geez.
m2c, I might just try it thanks.
I wonder why,Ron and Misty did not use Ron’s truck that night;and why ride with Katrina?
can you hear me now 🙁
YAY!! I tried posting all day yesterday and my posts never went through.
Hi m2c!! Re: ur post this morning at 9:10. Thanks for explaining that; In my post last night at 9:10, that’s what I was telling Kate.
I was hoping u would see it, because u are the one who had brought that to my attention a while back!! I didn’t even stop to think that like the jailhouse tapes,those T.H. interviews could also be snippets,etc..
I listen to them on YouTube,not writeintoaction; I wanted to ask u if you could listen to some of them on youtube,so u could explain some of them,the info sounds so feasible,especially since this new info from the “Barbara” lady Cobra interviewed(man,she is a hoot! I call her Barbie)..where she says Ron is in big trouble for burning major dealer.
I like your opinions and rational views.
Thanks!
Everyone should go on the previous article and check out beautiful adams most recent “Nancy Grace” entry….
I love it!!!
I keep thinking of potted meats!!
Beautiful Adams, u are hilarious!!!!
My hubby and daughter read all of them and laughed so hard!!! Can’t wait for the next one!
It could be that Rons truck is a target. Easy to spot. He more than likely did not want to draw any attention to himself. jmo
hi everyone! I’ve been listening to tapes since yesterday so haven’t been posting much. I have a queston though, but it’s alittle off topic…is anyone else having problem bringing up pm messages?? I’m alittle worried… I’m gonna’ go back and try again.
Hey all, good morning.
I am thinking about Misty’s words, it “will hurt two people.” Chelsea asks, “…that we care about?”
Misty might mean what she will tell will hurt two people just by the info coming out, but not necessarily that those are the people involved.
If it’s referring to two people she will implicate, I think it might be Tommy and Joe. One they care about a lot, and one not as much.
As for the UC video with the purse, there are two versions of the vid that I saw. In one version, she has the purse on her lap; in the other she doesn’t have it, but when UC does not want to take the bags inside to do the trade at the bathroom, Misty says she has her purse. Then she leaves the UC vehicle and you can see her running, and she returns to the vehicle with the large purse. So possibly she had another purse with her that day, and that contains her phone, ID, and camera.
Sorry for the long post, I don’t like them either 🙂
m2c, hey! per my pm to you yeserday, I was unable to email Jan and now I can’t seem to bring up anything like old or new messages It’s weird…if your still here, let me know what I’m doing wrong if anything.
methinks I don’t know why you would not be able to email Jan. It’s regular email. Not thru pm or anything. Although she probably doesn’t mind having her email addy listed here I’ll PM it to you just to be on the safe side.
I’m not all the way thru the tapes, but the thing that is most striking to me is Timmy’s reaction to Tommy. Timmy and Chelsea, both, appear to be on Misty’s side. When Tommy says, “I didn’t do it,” Timmy hesitates for an extended time. He doesn’t jump right in there and say ‘I know you didn’t.’ Tommy’s words just fall flat. Timmy, finally says, “We aren’t a bunch of kidnappers and murderers of small children.”(not exact words)
Timmy was called that night before Ronald got home, and he knew what went on. I am not saying Tommy did this, but Timmy’s reaction to Tommy surprises me. Tommy’s eagerness to take a polygraph gives me some pause to wonder, if he is guilty, but he will only do it thru a private person. He said he would take a LDT when he got questioned some months ago. Why didn’t he take one to clear himself, back then? Now he says he will take a poly but, only thru a private person, not LE. I haven’t seen him do it yet and, really wonder if he will.
Which tape is Timmy talking to Tommy. I had also noticed it on those jailhouse tapes.
Tommy is too eager to keep saying he “ain’t no drug dealer”, that he just takes pills sometimes. And he says he doesn’t have any felonies. Yes he does. Stealing those checks,etc.
Karon, are you sure that Timmy was called before R got home? I thought Chelsea said she got a call around 4:00am.
All I ever heard about calls was that M was just about to or calling R when he pulled up in the drive. And that R called his mother while M was on the phone with 911. I may have the info wrong, but wanted to check.
Also if T wants to take a poly given by a “private person” then he will have to pay for it, I would think. Or maybe he’s trying to get LP or someone to pay for it for him.
It would be neat if LP stepped up and offered to pay, then we’d see how eager T really is to take a poly – especially if LP made sure it was given by a truly objective person.
m2c, I was wondering if you did that yet. If so then I am unable to retrieve it. It appears that I am unable to do anything on the pm site including bring up old messages. I’m alittle concerned about the safety issues we discussed. I’ll check later. If I am still unable, I think I will not be back.
Hi Karon, I think he says he will take a LDT now so that LP will bail him out.
Too bad he is being held without bond. I would be interested in Misty’s reaction to him being bailed out.
I’m gonna say I am still not completely convinced this was not stranger abduction or something going on with the other side of the family. Too many unanswered questions, like why stranger abduction/RSO were ruled out so quickly, and whether all parties on the other side have been adequately investigated as to their whereabouts. I want to believe LE has a good reason for doing things the way they are, especially since FBI is also involved…
Hi, ronfan! I thought T’s mother, Lisa, stole the checks and wrote one for about $400. T supposedly stole the neighbor’s gun. I’ve never heard if T’s been to court for that. I think he’s also charged with B&E’s – the stuff LE found in T and L’s home. I don’t think that’s been to court either.
And I’ve never heard what if anything was decided by a court about Hank Sr’s Dr shopping either.
The only crime that I know of that was followed-thru was Lisa’s check fraud. Of course then she got arrested for stealing a person’s purse at Target but she hasn’t been to court for that yet – that I know of.
she stole the purse at Walmart, m2c
Hey m2c..I guess he hasn’t been “officially” been charged yet,so in his mind, he doesn’t actually HAVE any felonies!!! Yeah,mom was the checks,he was the gun!!
Yep,I always carry a gun when I write a check.
m2c, sorry,double entry,HOW EMBARRASING!!
Man,I knew this laptop L.Padilla got me would break!
Misty’s phone call to Timmy info: examiner.com and just type in the date (September 9-09) theres a place on the top u can search a date. the time was 1:46pm
methinks @ 12:58 – If you’re having trouble, just email Jan. She can help you with it.
DramaQueen! You are right! Sorry, it was Wal-Mart. Lisa did that around Christmas, right?
Cathartic: Sorry I am not up to date on everything. T is being held with no bail?
Do you know why? TIA. And, I totally agree with your last paragraph. I just can’t even imagine what LE has or thinks it has that can account for all this time being spent looking in ONE direction and apparently waiting on “info” from ONE person. I just don’t understand it.
m2c, Thank you, I finally got it figured out. I did email jan and everything is taken care of! wheeew! I was beginning to panic! All better now! Back to the tapes…
That’s good, methinks!
Got to go for a while. Have a great day everyone!
Did anyone see L.Padilla last night on Nancy Grace. She asked him what his opinion was of Ron,and he said he got the feeling that Ron didn’t directly have anything to do w/it, but that maybe he was in trouble w/ major drug dealer he burnt.
Makes me wonder if that has something to do w/him wanting to bail Misty out, and wanting to be so involved in her side.
And as for no tapes of Ron: LE might want him out of the spotlight.(hmmm why?)and we know his attorney Shoemaker is smart.
I keep asking is “JASON” the same Jason who was booked at the same time they were.
Can anyone tell me which tape or video is the one of Jason?
m2c, Tommy was out on bail when he was arrested on drug charges, so he is currently being held without bond.
M2C:
I have heard that Misty called Timmy. It may be on the voice analysis test video. As with most of the stuff about this case, we have no proof, but I think, Misty said she called Tommy and he didn’t answer. Then she called Timmy. Who knows the truth of it? I think Timmy knows what is going on here, whether Misty called, or not, that night.
Hank, Sr seems to be taking Tommy’s side and seems to be cool toward Misty, and Timmy and Chelsea seem to be going toward believing Misty.
Cathartic:
Hi! I haven’t made up my mind that Tommy is guilty, either. Misty thinks she is in love with Ron, and I think she would sell her brother out, in a heartbeat, to cover for some of her’s and Ron’s dealings. I do wonder about Tommy skipping around about the LDT, however. Even, if Tommy and/or Timmy were just in on the getting rid of the body, neither would want to take a LDT. I doubt we will see any of this family take a LDT. Lindsey seems to be totally willing, however, she was at work that night. I would like to know if Misty ever took another LDT.
In one of the tapes, Lisa is heard to say to misty: “I know you LOVED HaLeigh. past tense…
Misty may be having a harder time than we think dealing with all the withdrawals, stress, and jail. She seems awfully drugged up, and she mentioned seeing a counselor and fainting. She, also mentions a walker in her room, and she says she is in a special needs cell. They wouldn’t let her have a razor, on one tape.
A doctor on NG show last night said, she could be having serious withdrawal problems. He seemed to think it could be dangerous withdrawing from the drugs she was taking.
At least Tommy is smart enough to know that when he goes to prison it will be 3 years in solitary. He discusses this in a call to Timmy and says Misty is crazy if she goes into general population in prison, that someone will hurt her. I am extremely angry with Mistys I am a celebratty when she laughs about it with Lisa. Shes famous alright for being involved with poor Haleigh. With that comment I saw through her completely. I believe its on tape 6. jmo
m2c,
LE must have something that points them in the directions they go. The fact that I am not convinced they are doing things properly does not mean they are not. It just means I have seen no actual verification of a lot of things, including any alibi of any person involved, etc. Plus if LE based no stranger abduction on the fact that there was no forced entry, and nothing else, I would be suspicious of that. No forced entry does not mean no possible entry. A door could have been left unlocked, or whatever.
I want to believe LE is on the right track(s) but I remain skeptical since they are not giving out any information of any kind.
Ronfan:
I saw LP on NG last night. I think he really thinks Ron had something to do with this. or it was a drug deal gone bad. Lindsey said, on one of the tapes, that LP knows Tommy had nothing to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. LP can change theories in a heartbeat, however, so I don’t pay alot of attention to his theories. He was so changeable in the Anthony case, and he has been in this case, too.
I wonder if at some point Misty’s family will pull away from her.
I wonder if Misty might one day just start screaming and never stop.
Have any of you noticed how Misty keeps saying she wants a picture of Ron and Jr, but most of the time she forgets to ask for a picture of Haleigh? She catches herself, every now and then, and says, “Oh yeah, and one of Haleigh, too.”
I no longer watch Nancy Disgrace.
Karon, I totally agree. Lisa had to corect her in one of the videos that she had one of Haleigh too. Misty has a fatal attraction thing with Ron. She is so foolish, have you noticed her mother likes it and Hank doesnt?
In audio 6 she tells lisa to read her letter about Ron but there are parts just for Lisa and parts just for Hank. hmmmm. jmo
Cathartic:
Misty’s family will have to pull away to some extent. They will have to go on with their life and go where they have to go to make a living. Misty is talking now, and she will break even more. Lindsey said, in one of those tapes that Tommy’s lawyer said Misty was really running her mouth. It will be sad to see this young girl break down, but it will be interesting to hear what she says. She never really stood a chance.
I think it is interesting that they have Tommy on a no bond charge, and they have him in a maximum security jail. Yhere may be a reason for the jail, however.
Tommy has no bond because he was out on bond and broke it by doing the drug thing with Misty. Anotherwords if you are out on bond you are not supposed to be committing more crimes. jmo
Tobias:
I agree with everything you just said. I believe Misty could have gone thru this whole year, not telling LE the truth, to keep Ron from getting mad at her. She wanted to keep Ron at all costs. IMO.
And by Tommy doing just that he dug himself in deeper, because now all his crimes are lumped into one court appearence. He will go into court at one time for all of it at once. He may be looking at more than 3 years after all. jmo
Misty is very needy. She thrives on attention. Yes, her family will have to pull away at some point; if she is in jail a long time, they will not be able to live their lives and still give her the kind of attention they are giving her now. If Tommy was not involved but Misty implicates him to save herself and Ronald, her family may abandon her totally.
Karon, Did you notice in audio 6 she calls herself famous Misty Croslin Cummings? And tals about her tattoo itching? That tat should be way past that problem, I think she brought it up for everyone to remember she has it. jmo
Cath, I think Hank is already pulling away. Life is hard for them because of her stubborness and they know it. The longer it goes on the worse they will feel towards her. jmo
I think it is minimum 3 years on each charge for Tommy. I thought he had only one drug charge but on the PCSO website he is shown as having three drug charges. I’m a little confused on that, although it was said he faced 3-15 minimum mandatory. Maybe 3 years per charge and he expects he would serve them concurrently rather than consecutively.
Cath, You forgot about the gun charge and the two B&Es its all rolled into one court date. jmo
Someone was wondering why they would give Misty a pregnancy test, last night. I wonder if it could have been to see what drugs they could give her. They don’t want her mind to completely break because they want to get info from her.
I really wonder, since noone can believe Misty, if she has any proof, to back up what she is saying about TC and Joe. I noticed, she said, “I can’t just tell LP right where Haleigh can be found.” That statement said alot to me. She was almost saying she knew what happened. I wondered if that was because TC and Joe took Haleigh or her body, and Misty doesn’t know where,exactly, they left it.
re my 2:35 PM : I’m sorry, it’s the St. Johns website.
Karon, Its standard procedure to chek for STDs and pregnancy, it just took them a while to get it done . jmo
Tobias:
I think some of what Misty is saying is code to RC. She may be bringing up the tat to remind RC that she got the tat to show her love for him. She is still not in reality of what she is facing. It’s over, Misty, get a grip!
who knows what the nasty girl really had going on an STD or a simple yeast infecion ewwww.
She made sure we all knew about it or was that directed at her favorite MZ.Nancy? jmo
And who brings that up on speaker phone when their Dad can hear it. Just too weird for words. jmo
I am very curious as to where Rons tapes and audio is and why we arent privy to those? You cant tell me his mom and gma havent visited or called him all this time. jmo
Karon, I believe she may not know where Haleigh is. However, whatever she knows, she has known all along and she obstructed the investigation by not telling it sooner.
If it was Tommy, Joe, Misty, or all of them, I think Ronald would have found out. He would have done some serious harm to all of them. So, whatever happened does not involve any of them unless it also involves Ronald.
All JMO.
Hello. I have been listening to the tapes as I paint the bedroom ceiling (ice dam damage from last big storm) – anyway…this is not relevant to the case but if this did not involve the tragic disappearance of a little girl, it would be almost funny. These people are so sad – they talk more about when they are going to call next and when they called in the past and how many minutes are available for the next call and how many minutes left in the current call….It seems call logistics consume 75% of the conversation.
I just can’t help feeling sorry for Misty – that doesn’t mean I excuse anything she has done – I just feel she has no one in this world looking out for her. Her mother is so burnt-out. She is always…gonna do this and gonna do that. When Misty referred to commissary as canteen, Lisa was trying to recall ‘what they called it” – as if trying to recall some quaint phrase from long ago. They all act “proud” of their time they did. Sick. The reference to the “Crystal” friend really got me. Some girl she ran away with sends her a letter out of the blue. Misty was so excited about this. I think she is desperate for someone to trust.
I have a teenage son and daughter and my oldest is 23. Misty acts like a pretty typical teenager – self centered, etc… And IMO, I don’t think she is withdrawing, etc…. I think she would whine about feeling bad if she was. She doesn’t hold too much back about how she is feeling
Tobias:
Yeah, she thinks she’s famous. She has, probably, never heard of the word ‘notorious’.
Have you noticed that she backs up when dad speaks? She doesn’t mess with him too much. She knows just how to play every memeber of her family.
Her Granny tells her she doesn’t have anything to be ashamed of and to keep her head up. I wonder if she has seen those uc drug tapes? You can see Dad is the only one that makes her answer for what she’s done. It is no wonder Misty and Tommy are the way they are.
I think Dad is going to be forever mad at Misty, if TC goes down. If TC did have something to do with this, dad’s attitude is putting alot of stress on Misty. He knows more about his family than we do, however.
Ihave a feeling if Ron is involved he knew from the very beginning and has covered for Misty because if it got out he would be toast too. I think he thought this would either end up going cold or they would find Haleigh and the evidence would point away from them. That isnt what happened and it snowballed on them. jmo
Tobias:
They never dreamed this would get the kind of public attention and press coverage it did. They live in a little community that is pretty isolated and never dreamed of all of this.
Karon, That showed in R ON ON THE 911 saying why talk to them when they arent coming and I got better people to be talking with. He thought LE was going to be stupid and blame it on an SO. Thats what it was set up for them to think. Then when it didnt go like planned the lies started. jmo
KARON COX AND m2c: see my post at 1:24 the info about MISTY CALLING TIMMY; examiner.com and the date was 09-09-99.
It’s also about when Timmy and Chelsea were questioned re:Haleigh sighting in Walmart.
the answer is – Misty knows NOTHING! She and the rest were all were set up like bowling pins by an inept LE to cover their own arses, LE bungled this case from the getgo. ENTRAPMENT big time.
JillF,
I agree it would be funny if it weren’t for the fact that this is about an innocent little girl.
However, I viewed Papa’s videos and I had to laugh at his “Secret Agent Man” video.
His other videos are insightful and refer to the problems with Ronald’s behavior.
Cathartic:
I believe you are right.( He was at werk.) He was so proud of his alibi. He knows what happened, and he was in on the cover-up. There has to be a reason for that. I wonder: Why no Ron tapes? There may be a reson, but it seems odd.
I believe Timmy will be brought into this, somehow, before it is over. I think he and Tommy were in on the cover-up. at least.
The case is breaking fast, now. LE wanted the pressure on Misty, all along, and she’s cracking.
Cathartic – Papa’s videos? I don’t know what those are..but would like to! Thanks.
KARON please tell me which tape ur talking about in ur 12:48 post. thanks
Oh, and about Misty and her withdrawals, she told her mom she passed out or fainted while she was SITTING ON THE TOILET!! she said when the LE took her outside {to have her listen to the tapes of Ron talking about how he missed Junior, etc}he gave her cigarettes and she smoked too many too fast,and got dizzy.
The special needs is a term re:inmates in protective custody.
The withdrawal comment the Dr. made was questionable. My son had an addiction to pills, never had w/d except feeling like crap for maybe 1 day. Biggest w/d from those is anger.
However, if she was taking oxycodone,or oxycontin, EVERYDAY,yeah,she would have anxiousness,n,v and fatique. The worst possible case scenario would be heart palpitations,or seizures,but that is usually ONLY seen in patients who use meds like oxy everyday for REAL illness.
Apparently they put her on Zoloft,and Celexa, then I think they changed it to Zoloft and Paxil.(the 2 work together for anxiousness and depression) BUT,u don’t get loaded on them at all, since they have no narcotic or psychotropic properties.(like valium,lithium,etc..)(Im an RN)
JillF, I have had problems posting, refreshing the pages, etc., and had to clean history in an attempt to get things moving along. So, I don’t have the Papa video info at hand, but I will see if I can find it for you. I can’t remember where I saw the link but I came upon it by accident while looking for something else. I will see what I can do to locate the link.
Tobias:
That 9-1-1 call was solely, because they knew that they had to report Haleigh missing. I would love to hear the enhanced background on that call.
M. CROSLIN: Yes. I wonder if I could call my mom when they`re there when they`re praying.
C. CROSLIN: Yes, you know. I pray for her every day.
M. CROSLIN: I pray for her every day. Day and night. I pray all the time. Like just get this over with, you know?
When I first got here I was on medical watch because when I went to talk to the detectives and I smoked a couple of cigarettes, and I didn`t smoke a cigarette in a couple of days and I come back to room, I passed out, I fell off the toilet and passed out and fell onto ground. They had to put me —
L. CROSLIN: Oh, no.
M. CROSLIN: Yes.
L. CROSLIN: Oh, no. I didn`t know that.
M. CROSLIN: Yes.
(LAUGHTER)
M. CROSLIN: Well, I didn`t really pass out. I just, like, fainted for a minute. And I come right back when I hit the ground.
L. CROSLIN: That fall made you come back to.
M. CROSLIN: It did.
(LAUGHTER)
M. CROSLIN: You know, it`s like, you know, what really hurts is, like, we were — me and him were talking about, we were getting back together and stuff, and like the cops —
L. CROSLIN: Yes, I know.
M. CROSLIN: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) everything up.
L. CROSLIN: Yes. That`s what they were trying to do.
M. CROSLIN: You know I was staying with — I stayed at his house. He picked me up every day.
Okay….this transcript makes me want to hurl myself into oncoming traffic…..”I pray for her every day. Day and night. I pray all the time. Like just get this over with, you know?”……Like just get this over with? Good Grief…a child may be dead and she was the one responsible for her and all she can say is “just get this over with”! UGH!
And OBVIOUSLY the cops only arrested her and Ron to keep the two of them from getting back together! RIGHTTTTT! Yeah, Misty, it was a great conspiracy to keep Romeo Ron and Mush head Mistiette apart! This girl does NOT have a clue!
Sorry for the long post guys….ugh
Kate said,in March 9th, 2010 at 6:19 pm I’ve been reading what CathyJo63, Texasmommy39 and me were discussing the other day and I am convinced they are on the right path and that the Sheffield family has HaLeigh hidden somewhere
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I totally agree. Do we know when it was they took the life insurance policy out on her?
CATHARTIC: LE concluded they had no DNA evidence of a stranger abduction! A while back they issued a formal statement saying it wasn’t a stranger abduction because the DNA and fingerprints found were unremarkable in comparison to all involved parties and suspects in the case! (check newspaper articles,I forgot date.)
Bull****!! Huh?
Which tape r u referring to in ur post at 12:34, I’m lost.
BB12-Chris said,in March 9th, 2010 at 6:20 pm Simon and Jan: Thank you for all your hard work. It is greatly appreciated. As a blogger in the Casey Anthony Case- it is my opinion that there is no significant similarities between the 2 children. One missing – one murdered. IMO Casey is a diabolical sociopath, whereas, Misty is a child trying to survive with a 6th grade education, a learning disability, family unit filled with addiction and safety issues. Misty is a child with NO childhood. I enjoy your blogs- thank you for allowing me to share my opinions.
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ITA. The lack of sympathy for a child that grew up the way Misty did has me astounded and sad.
Thanks Cathartic. Me – do you really believe the Sheffield family has her hidden? What about Ron, Misty & Tommy – why are they acting so guilty? I would love to believe you are right (kind of – poor thing being hidden somewhere) and she is alive.
JillF: You can Google it:
All these words: YouTube
Exact Phrase: Undercover Ronnie
JB:
You crack me up. sometimes. {{Romeo Roon and Mush Head Mistiette}} That is so funny. I am still laughing about what you said about let them watch their toenails grow. It is just about down to that and their food, Isn’t it.
If it weren’t for the horrible language, I think every teenager should have to watch these videos. They need to be told if they don’t get an education and stay off drugs, this could be they way they wind up.
RonFan @ 3:42 – Excuse me for butting in to your convo with Cathartic. But I wanted to explain from point of view that one of the reasons I haven’t ruled out some other possibilities is because there have been cases where children have been abducted and there have been no signs of forced entry. Same with DNA and fingerprints.
There have also been cases where a child was taken from a room where someone else was sleeping at the time. There have been cases where the last person known to have seen the child was NOT the abductor.
So I can’t be satisfied with LE’s “conclusion” based on those things.
Talking about evidence, Lindsey said something to Tommy about a thumbprint with a scar on it being found. LE would know, by now, if Tommy has a scar, or not. Tommy said he didn’t have a scar, but I wonder why his lawyer would tell Lindsey that? I wonder if there was any other kinds of evidence that they haven’t let out, yet?
There are lots of crime scenes where they have no physical evidence. BBL
LE has the evidence (that they havent shown us)
to prove it wasnt a stranger abduction. Otherwise they would be accused down the road from now of saying false allegations. They did make that statement on the record. Its not just the door there is other evidence we dont have. In the other cases the LE did not make those statements. jmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Q2kaKHQ4E
AWESOME!
“Were the pages blank”
LOL!
JillF @ 3:45 – Here I am butting in to your convo with “me.” I apologize.
I have several theories and one of them is the bio-mom’s side. I just can’t rule it out yet. I don’t see any evidence or proof that would rule it out.
Children have been kept in secret rooms for years (the mother and grandmother of a boy did that to him so family cannot be ruled out). Children been transported far away and kept for years. They have been told lies or brainwashed or abused to the point where they can be trusted to not seek help. As far as the argument, “why not take Jr?” there are several possibilities. One is that if both children were taken the very first suspects would be the bio-mom’s side. The other is that by taking only the girl then LE could suspect an RSO. It may have been a plan to make R and M look bad and get custody back. Or it may have been a plan that just went wrong somewhere.
Anyway, it’s just another possibility that I can’t rule out. But it’s just one of several possibilities I still keep in mind.
tobias @ 4:00 – It’s very hard to prove a “negative.” So I don’t think LE can PROVE it was not a stranger abduction. They may have enough proof for something else but maybe not. We don’t know what they have or if they have correctly interpreted it. We can only go on what LE has said.
Many people have lived for years under suspicion because of what LE has and has not said – the stepfather in the Garrido case, and other parents including JonBenet’s.
So I don’t think we, the public, can be blamed for continuing to question and to theorize.
I would like to believe that theory too, but since Crystal and Chad both had LDs and LE isnt focusing onn them its not very likely. IT IS JUST MY OPINION.
ME – I started out feeling sorry for her but a lot of people have bad childhoods….I have friends and some relatives that were abused as children, had crackheads for parents, were abandoned, shuffled from place to place, never had enough food to eat, went through a lot of traumatic experiences but they turned out just fine. It is all about choices IMHO. We all have options and choices…..I do not believe in using your childhood as an excuse for why you commit a crime…because not all people who have terrible childhoods commit crimes…and some peope who had WONDERFUL childhoods commit crimes….again, we all have choices and we have to live with the ones we made. Misty made her choices….now she’s dealing with it…not very well mind you…but she is dealing with it. Again…JMO
You know I agree with the Criminal Profiler Pat Brown in regards to her comments on Ronald Cummings – ‘he is a pathological liar’ ‘he knows what happened to Haliegh’ ‘he blames others for fallout of his own actions’ ‘he is a master manipulator’ ‘he has controled Misty with every move she, he, they make’ and ‘was a known drug user/dealer when he was with Crystal Sheffield’ (in response to his outburst on Geraldo ‘I don’t do drugs’ and he is still trying to manipulate public/media/police by saying things about him being ‘under cover’ and ‘the police wanted me to do…’ – to promote himself as innocent of any wrong doing.
Sara Jane – I am starting to agree with that as well….Ron said on a jailhouse tape that he didn’t make Misty get that tattoo….and we don’t see her name on him…..But Misty said in a tape that Ron told her that was the only way to prove to him she loved him and she wasn’t sorry about getting it.
It shows how he manipulates…as well as the examples you gave in your post. I’m trusting him less and less…..and why no tapes released for him recently????
Tobias, I understand it’s your opinion. No question there.
But I did not hear that Chad ever had an LDT.
And Crystal may not have known about it. She certainly could not have masterminded this. But her mother certainly could have. And anyone would have known not to tell Crystal anything. She’d botch it up good. It would be important, too, for Crystal to act “natural.”
So Crystal’s LDT means zip to me. And if Chad even had one, that would mean zip to me. I would see this as planned and carried out by an older generation. Not Crystal or Chad.
RonFan:
I am skeptical of anything I read or hear that is not verified. I would like to see video of a LE spokesperson saying whatever they have to say, rather than just reading it in a news article or hearing it on the news.
I am still wondering about the primitive “chair” that was found in the woods not far from the MH, that apparently had a view of the MH. This may mean nothing, but also may mean a person could have been watching the MH for a short time or a long time, whatever. Sometimes children who are snatched are watched, targeted in advance of the deed.
I keep my mind open to all possibilities in a case of a missing child. There was no stranger DNA in the Dowalaby case and no sign of forced entry (at least not one that was noticed immediately or considered by LE). The little girl’s stepfather did 7 years in prison for her murder before being exonerated.
Also, no forced entry was noted by LE in the Ramsey case, and no stranger DNA, until MUCH later, after they had put the family through hell.
In this case, I want to know if the washer and dryer in the MH were tested thoroughly, meaning the drains, lint traps, etc., to determine if they had been used as recently as that evening and if the lint might prove when a blanket was last washed and dried.
I want LE to publicly declare that all alibis of all persons involved have been checked and verified, and I want to know how those were verified.
I am well aware of the fact that LE often clears someone, then later re-considers them as a suspect or POI. A person cleared at one point may well be under radar later.
In short, I want to know that LE checked everyone out properly and did all necessary tests looking for DNA and other evidence. Perhaps that have done it all properly. I will remain a bit skeptical, however, until I know for certain that they have left no stone unturned.
Karon @ 3:57 – I think the thumbprint with a scar was part of the investigation into the B&Es. Is that right? It made me wonder if Lisa has a scar on her thumb! LOL!
I got so wound up about everything i have heard,an seen through the media. So I called Hank,an Lisa today.How ever unless i ask him if i can talk about anything, i wont discuss anything we talked about with out asking first.I will tell you they talked real decent to me. They love their children an grandchildren,no matter what mistakes they have made in life.I plan to keep in touch an help them anyway i can. I do not believe Misty,or Ron harmed Haliegh.Yes i know they had issues.but MarK Klass,an many others had their children taken,they did nothing.The fact that Misty partied,an may have got high the weekend before this happened.May not have had one thing to do with Haliegh going missing..
This baby is gone without a trace.An Many are hurting because of it.Yes storms of life,will break a person,or harden them.I plan to write this family,an keep them in my prayers.This is a sad situation,all the way around. I will never believe that Misty could have harmed,an got rid of this child,an no traces are anywhere.I want evidence.Show proof!! an i would like LE too explain why if they thought she did,that they waited a yr,an got her on some drug charges.An not arrested her in Halieghs case.That doesnt sound strange to any of you!!
The only people I’ve heard say he took a LDT was TJ and Cobra and it was after the crack/crack pipes were found in his pickup. Now how they know that, I don’t know, unless Marie told them.
Mc2 – good points. Thanks. I hope we know soon.
JillF,
For a long time I thought Tommy and/or Joe was the perp….now I don’t think so at all. LE have examined the Croslins and Cummins for 13 months and it has gotten them nowhere. I think Tommy, Timmy and that group are small time criminals.
I am now convinced it was Marie, Chad & that side of the family. When I saw Marie lie and give Chad a false alibi on tv, 2 weeks after Haleigh went missing, and while he was being taken away by police, that clinched it for me. They have done everything in their power, from day 1, to pin this on Ron & Misty, rather than look for Haleigh. They had a campaign of hate on the internet, conducted a false search, and had a foundation up and running for donations for the “family” within weeks (who could possibly think of those things within days of their child missing). Crystal never had a job, but wants people to support her and Chloe and Chad, all because a child she never supported herself went missing?
The only time I’ve ever seen Marie look frazzled and nervous and/or upset was when Chad was being taken away and she was repeating her false alibi for him to the cameras. I could go on and on.
I have seen a theory that Ron may have been involved with the George brothers – the ones that were recently arrested for being prescription drug/pain pill pushers – running a pill mill outfitted as pain clinics there in Florida. Ron owes the George brothers $.
Now what that has to do, if anything at all, with Haleigh’s disappearence… I dunno.
me said:
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“The only time I’ve ever seen Marie look frazzled and nervous and/or upset was when Chad was being taken away and she was repeating her false alibi for him to the cameras. I could go on and on”
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when was this, me??
JillF…and the life insurance policy…wow…wouldn’t even pay child support for Haleigh but insured her life? Parents usually take out insurance on their own lives to cover their child’s needs in case something were to happen to them. I’d really like to know when that was taken out and who was paying the premiums.
Oh, and of course the unpaid child support, the warrant etc etc.
I believe LE are looking at that family very closely and I believe if there is ever an arrest in this case, it will be from that side of the family.
All these people are just so unbearably stupid! Cummings/Neves/Sheffield/Griffs/Croslins…
gag/choke/spew….
Stupid! Sucking on the tit of the tax payer! Let the milk run dry!
And at the heart of it all – children – and a child is still lost!
JB, Misty is still a kid. Had just turned 17 when this happened. She never had the chance your friends had to change their lives around, and probably never will. Instead of people offering her help when they discovered she’d been taken out of school at about 10 years old, had druggie thieving parents etc, adults jumped in to use her for their own 15 minutes of fame, then set her up in a drug sting. She needed an acceptable adult role model, not people who wanted to take advantage of her like Donna B etc.
Sara Jane….Pat Brown has never even met Ron, and imo, is behaving entirely unprofessionally for her own 15 minutes of fame out of this. Any true professional doesn’t pretend they can diagnosis someone they’ve never met based on a few snippets they see on Nancy G. I doubt she will ever be taken seriously by her colleagues again after this.
m2c…I have never heard LE say Chad did a LDT and I doubt he has.
Karon Cox said,
in March 10th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Someone was wondering why they would give Misty a pregnancy test, last night. I wonder if it could have been to see what drugs they could give her. They don’t want her mind to completely break because they want to get info from her.
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Karon, that I believe was part of her H&P… which means history & physical… here it HAS to be done within 2 weeks of an inmate’s arrival.
cathartic…
You make some great points in your 4:26 post. Also, Jessica Lunsford’s grandfather was named LE’s #1 suspect after he failed his LDT and he was being called a sick pervert all over the internet. Boy, did LE get that wrong.
vaquera…
Here is the link to the video where Chad is being taken away and Marie is asked if that worries her….please let me know if the link doesn’t show up….
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html
I’ve gotta go out for about 1/2 hour, and not happy about it, as there are so many great posts here this morning and I’d love to keep reading what you all have to say…be back soon.
me – ”…Pat Brown has never even met Ron, and imo, is behaving entirely unprofessionally for her own 15 minutes of fame out of this. Any true professional doesn’t pretend they can diagnosis someone they’ve never met based on a few snippets..”
While I do agree that many are seeking thier ’15 min of fame’ and she may very well be one… there are many profilers that simply review videos/audios/pictures and reports while not personally meeting with the one being asessed.
I am just not a fan of Ron – I see him as a very dark character capable of dark deeds – my opinion is partially based on his history with the ‘ladies’ (pubescent children) in his life – he may have loved his own children – but I see him as a ‘what is in it for me… and what is mine is mine, what is hers is mine, and what is yours will soon be mine’ kinda guy – a user.
SaraJane – I see few if any BUT “dark” type characters in this situation, unfortunately.
How “bad” they can be can only be guessed at this point from what we know and our own impressions and opinions.
That’s probably why I have about 7 theories – that include everything from accident to intentional harm to kidnapping with different people responsible.
The more I find out about everyone the worse it gets really. And like I said before the only reason I sort of “exempt” Crystal from direct involvement does not reflect well on her character either!
Correct me if I am wrong, but in regards to a life insurance policy if a person is missing, they must be declared legally dead – usually after a period of time (7 years) – before the policy can be collected on.
So then – who is prepared to wait… and look innocent?
Right now – no one looks innocent!
Hi, Vaquera! – I think “me” tried to post a link to a video of Marie. Not sure it came thru. We’ll have to remember to ask “me” when she gets back. (re:her comment about Chad)
Right, Sara Jane! To me the only way a life insurance policy would figure in this is if the perp expected the body to be found and something went wrong. The life ins thing doesn’t add up to a big motive for me.
However, I would dearly love to know if LE ever bothered to track down the money trail of the person who paid off the custody payments.
Vaquera! I beleive this is the video they are talking about? It also is the same video where the cops and Ron are down by some water talking!
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html
m2c♥ – ”…money trail of the person who paid off the custody payments.”
Wasn’t she just some ‘dogooder’ – I think I remember hearing that she was ‘investigated’ by LE and wanted to remain annon – she was from Texas.
m2c♥ said,
in March 10th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Hi, Vaquera! – I think “me” tried to post a link to a video of Marie. Not sure it came thru. We’ll have to remember to ask “me” when she gets back. (re:her comment about Chad)
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thanks, I would love to hear that myself. I knew the first week of Haleigh being missing that Chad was out till 5 AM the morning of the 10th and it was not for a bachelor party. 😉
In the same video TN gets upset because eveyones digging up dirt on the family. Take it as you will but its on the same video. jmo
The video is from Feb. 13 2009 on wesh news
jmo
So do we KNOW where Chad was until 5:00 a.m.?
thanks, tobias I will dig it up. There is so many videos I’ve missed in the beginning.
JB
Chad was:
1. Buying crack…
2. Smoking crack…
3. Looking for more crack…
4. Looking to give someone a bl*w for $ to buy more crack…
5. Shoveling over a crack… is that a body?
6. Smoking more crack…
7. Scratching his crack….
I will put it as a rumor and not fact, JB,though I believe the person that said it, but it was said that he was “seeing” this waitress he was interested in..guess it was some form of “payback” for something Crystal had done. Sure most people can figure out the “done” part 😉
Vaq, Cathy jo put it up on the other story around 1;35 I think the site is still posted there. jmo
Me – that life insurance policy is definitely huge. Just curious – does she have one on the other children as well (Jr & Chloe)? How much is it for? You are right – why would she take out a policy on her? She has no money. That is huge.
JB – I agree that there has to be a point when people start taking responsibility for their mistakes and stop blaming their poor circumstances. People do manage to break the cycle. However, Misty is 18. She just turned 18. That is really young to me. That combined with her lack of education…
Also, after Misty and Ron both claimed they “passed” the LD tests – I don’t believe anyone did. Did LE publish who passed what test? Also, LE announced that both parents were not suspects – I don’t believe that either.
tobias said,in March 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
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Thanks, tobias. I think I found it, but not sure because this one says Feb. 23, 2009, but in this video, Marie is asked whether she is concerned that Chad is being taken in for questioning.
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/
Life insurance is not huge I have one for my kids and its from birth it costs $22. a year.
Since Haleigh was born with an illness it would make sense to have money to bury her if she died geezzz. jmo
tobias said,in March 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm “In the same video TN gets upset because eveyones digging up dirt on the family”
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Well it was true and a pretty legitimate thing to be upset about! LOL!
Sara Jan – about the person who paid the c.s. –
Yes I’ve heard everything except that LE investigated it. I heard the checks went to KP – so I guess she passed the money along. Don’t know what that means if anything.
But, still, have not heard that LE really KNOWS all about the who and why of that cs payment. It could have been funnelled thru the do-gooder. Who knows? I mean we are amazed that strangers send $50 to jailbirds’ commissary accounts. Isn’t $12 grand something worth REALLY looking into? As in possible motive?
About the life insurance policy, it is possible Crystal got that when Haleigh was born. This is not an uncommon thing.
Now, if it can be determined that she took the policy out later–say, just before she lost custody–it might be a red flag.
As for the premiums, those insurance policies are very inexpensive. I had one on my daughter while I didn’t have extra funds for non-essentials. I was a single mom living paycheck to paycheck.
why care what turns up in the dirt unless you are hiding something. If it were my child I would let loose all secrets or skeletons out of the closet to get them over with so LE could move on to find my child. jmo
Depending on illnesses at birth some Life Insurance Companies won’t allow a policy to be written.
OOPS, sorry tobias. My posts are taking so long to go through, didn’t mean to repeat.
Hi Cathartic, good to see you!!
Tobias – I’m with you…if this was my child I would have been strapping myself into a chair with an LDT and would have answered any questions, and done EVERYTHING asked of me. Who cares about yourself, your pride or your dirty laundry when someone you love is missing? Not me!
m2c: I agree with you actually about the DNA evidence!! I was being sarcastic!! I am looking at it like u are, that LE really thinks we would believe that!!!
Im glad u mentioned all those other cases..
Elizabeth Smart,Jon Benet Ramsey, and there was some little girl in Calif. who was taken while the whole family slept, {found dead} LE cracked her big brother to the point of him thinking he did it while sleepwalking…
Well, they finally found the killer, a vagrant degenerant, who also had schizophrenia; he was arrested for a different crime, and still had the same shirt on w/the little girls blood on it. Too little,too late; her brother could have gone to prison.
But yes, I agree about their so called conclusion of their dna and fingerprints!!!
Bull-s***,pcso!!
BA, that’s true, but I wonder at what stage Turner’s Syndrome can be diagnosed. Would seem no tests would be done until symptoms are exhibited, which might not be immediately after birth.
Does anyone know how much the life insurance is for? Or when it was purchased? Or what the monthly payments really are?
I’m asking because sometimes insurance costs a lot more when there is a pre-existing condition. If it was purchased before it was known that Haleigh has Turner’s then it might cost less per month than if it was purchased after it became known. Insurance companies are “insert many, many bad words” about that – basing fees on statistics regarding all kinds of things including a pre-existing condition.
So, it would be good to know more about that.
Otherwise, I don’t think it’s that uncommon for parents to buy it.
tobias….
It would make sense if Crystal insured her own life to take care of the kids if she passed away. But that’s not what she did. She insured the life of a child she refused to support, then that child went missing.
Hi BA, missed you last night/this morning. Sometimes my posts won’t go through, and sometimes they do but take very long. So I missed yours saying you were leaving. You all were having a great discussion; I was lurking, watching such beautiful minds at work 🙂
Gerber sends you mailers almost daily for a life ins. policy for your child until they are 12 or 14. You can buy them at any time and they are cheap. Is supposed to ensure your child is insurable later in life. But you have to answer medical questions about your child. I’m not sure they could have gotten life insurance on Haleigh AFTER being diagnosed…it would have been really expensive I think. I bet this policy was like one of these Gerber policies bought shortly after birth….which makes it a non-issue since many of us bought them for our kids. They aren’t worth a lot….but you can sign them over to your child when they are 21. I have one for my son. They also build cash value so they are a good investment and a very common thing to have. Doesn’t raise any suspicion from me for them to have a policy on Haleigh.
Cathartic, I don’t know, but I’m thinking that with some of the classic signs…. the ear placement, and other growth signs… along with genetic testing.
m2c: Heres a brain teaser for the wonderful AND thorough pcso:
If someone came in our houses right now, and dusted for fingerprints,and took DNA, how many different people would show up!!!!
Ok, the plumber,ac man,painters, neighbors,friends,kid’s friends……
m2c…I don’t think anyone knows the details of the policy, only that she had it. Unfortunately every time someone used to post anything that questioned that side of the family before, KP and her entourage came along and started trashing Ron, TN etc in response. That side of the family did a great job of diverting attention away from themselves…I’ve gotta give them that.
Me, If we thouht every parent who insurses their kids has a motive the jails could hold all of them. I have policies on both my kids from birth 422 a year each, you ever have to bury someone which I did without it and trust me its very expensive to do with out insurance. jmo
m2c….I don’t think my earlier link showed up? I’ll break it down into bits, and hopefully you all can find it. As I said, it’s Marie’s response to her being asked whether she’s worried about Chad, and how she repeats her false alibi for him, that clinched it for me.
http://www.wesh.com/video/
18778183/index.html
JB… I’m not sure either because of the medical issue… it’s that way for my Son.
Sorry thats for $22 a year. lol
JB…while life insurance policies might not raise any suspicions for you, I am sure you are aware that more than 1 person has been killed in the past for their life insurance. Just because you personally wouldn’t do it, doesn’t mean others haven’t.
Tobias, I was going to say the same thing. Often parents will get life insurance just to cover burial costs which can be very expensive.
But I would not necessarily count on C’s policy on Haleigh being $22. It might be a lot higher if the ins company knew about her Turner’s. I don’t know of course. It’s just a possibility.
Thank you, “me.”
The earlier info about the link would not work for me for some reason. Let’s be sure Vaquera sees it, too.
Turners is not fatal, it is not a huge deal in Haleighs case. She only had asthma and short stature( also she would be sterile), everyone has said so when asked in interviews. jmo
tobias said,in March 10th, 2010 at 5:46 pm “why care what turns up in the dirt unless you are hiding something.”
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Just remember that MG had KP for her offense and defense at the time. So yes. Good question to ask both sides.
Tobias… then I personally don’t see the Insurance Policy being an influence/motive. Maybe she and Ron split the cost, he could have Jr’s and she HaLeigh’s.
tobias @ 6:09 – Ask an insurance company. They have a VERY different opinion of what a “big deal” is compared to most anyone else.
BAC, It just made sense to me since they are poor and if something were to happen how would they have money to bury her with? Also if Ron had insurance on his job how did he get her on that with a preexisting condition. Thats a hard thing to do. If not impossible. jmo
tobias,
Why do you think Marie and Crystal gave Chad a false alibi? I am sure that had nothing to do with burial costs. Would you give your daughter’s new boyfriend a false alibi if her child went missing?
M2C, Thats why I think the policy was from birth before they knew she had turners. Once she was insured she would be covered reguardless of what was found months later. jmo
cent…I have no idea where you get that they split the cost. It was Crystal that had the policy, not Ron. Nice try though.
m2c…you watched the video then? That’s the only time I’ve seen Marie rattled. She seemed terrified…I think she thought her plan was about to become unravelled. Every other time we’ve seen her she’s been so in control.
Tobias, do we know that R had insurance for the children thru his job? I never heard that.
I do agree that normally life insurance for a child is not that unusual. In THIS case though it would be interesting to know more about it. When purchased, what’s the payout, what are/were the monthly payments? Does she have it for Jr and now for Chloe too? Etc.
It’s just another loose end (among many).
Tobias @ 6:17
Yes, I agree… the pre-existing is a difficult obstacle.
Nice try about what?????? Re read it!!!!!!!!!
Where is the proof of the policy anyways or is it just one of the many rumors put out in the beginning? Just curious since it was brought up again after so long. jmo
Tobias @ 6:17
Yes, I agree… the pre-existing is a difficult obstacle.
Me… Nice try about what? Ron couldn’t possibly have a life insurance policy on his son?
I’m unclear about how Jr and Haleigh had health coverage. Wasn’t R unemployed for long periods of time? Somehow the children must have had it though, because Haleigh was in the hospital a couple of times and to the doctor a number of times. Some form of federal gov’t coverage maybe?
tobias….Crystal told reporters within a day or 2 of Haleigh going missing that she had a policy….I’m surprised you missed it….it sent off alarm bells for me.
I doubt the insurance policy means anything.
I also doubt Crystal bought the policy as an investment for Haleigh. I don’t see Crystal thinking of that, or planning for anyone’s future. However, social workers at hospitals often suggest things like this to new mothers. She may have purchased the policy in good faith, being the premium is very very small, for most policies it is less than $2 per month.
I agree Crystal and her clan should have been investigated, but have no way to know they haven’t been or continue to be under LE radar.
I lean first toward Ronald and Misty’s lifestyle as being the key to Haleigh’s disappearance. Second would be stranger abduction. Third would be other side of the family.
All JMO.
I thought thats why Ron said he was the better parent. Because he was a better provider with a job and insurance. Maybe I am wrong? jmo
The children were likely covered under Medicaid.
Why burial or life insurance policy seems to be a taboo is beyond me! Although I do not like to even think of such things… it’s reality.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18706639/detail.html
I’m not sure if the link will show or not, but it’s an article from Feb. 13th, discussing the life insurance policy Crystal had on Haleigh. If you google it, you will see lots of people were discussing it way back then, before Marie and Crystal had their internet thugs stifling discussion about them.
Carthartic, yes I believe they were most likely covered medically by the government. And that is primarily, why I never bought that claim of Crystal losing custody because of Medical benefits! It never washed with me.
cathartic…
My guess is that PCSO have the Sheffields and Griffis well and truly in their sights. Perhaps they are hoping that by convincing them that they don’t suspect them, they are hoping they make a mistake that will help them solve this case.
If you hear the interview with PCSO Major Gary Bowling from December last year, it seems to me he is strongly hinting that they are suspects.
Tobias… yes, Ron did say that!
The mexicans theory bothers me. I have been thinking about it and here is a new theory to put out there. Ron may have robbed the mexicans in cresent city and they didnt know his real name or where he lived but knew what Ron and Misty looked like. Misty goes on her weekend and one of them recognizes her. Finds out where she lives and takes Haleigh on Monday night. jmo
Crystal lost custody because she did not show up for the custody hearing. She did not get the notice. Apparently she had moved just prior and had not notified the court of her new address.
Most of us would notify the court of a move. Most of us would put in a change of address with the post office. Most of us would do everything differently than either of these parents have done. They are what they are, but I don’t think Crystal not having custody means she was the worse parent, nor does her having an insurance policy mean she harmed Haleigh.
Consider that these people do not do anything the normal way. What might be a motive for the average citizen might not be for them with their way of doing things.
I’m confused… I thought the “Mexicans” that Misty encountered that weekend were like “migrant workers”?
Remember NayNay does say they had coke there and how WBG said it was rude not to do some if it was offered.And they must have been a rough crowd cause she sounded afraid. jmo
me,
Exactly! If they are under LE radar it is secretly, for good reason. I find it hard to believe LE has completely disregarded any of the players.
Hi everyone, I’ve been trying to catch up all day. I have an abcessed tooth and my face hurts, so I may just join in for a little while. Did anyone catch lisas great joke she made regarding ron? Misty was all excited, telling her that her friends in jail want to see a photo of him and she wanted a really good one…Lisa told her to look in the paper! I laughed my a%% off when I heard that! Also, it sounds like lynsey isn’t writing very often. He (tommy) was complaining about that.
Okay… Tobias, I’ll have to go back and listen. Shoot, I thought that they were trying to get them to sleep with them.
cathartic…
Crystal did show up and had a lawyer…the transcript of the actual case is out there somewhere. Even Kim P admitted that the Court file showed she was not only served, but attended the Hearing. There is a transcript of everything said by both parties, including Crystal admit that she didn’t take Haleigh to the doctors because she didn’t feel like getting out of bed. Just another lie put out by the Griffis/Sheffield/KP team, until they were busted on it.
cathartic said,in March 10th, 2010 at 6:40 pm me,
Exactly! If they are under LE radar it is secretly, for good reason. I find it hard to believe LE has completely disregarded any of the players.
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Yep, I totally agree. And it seemed to me PCSO Major Bowling said the exact same thing in December when he was interviewed.
BAC, All I remember is they went there and the other girl did her thing while WBG,NayNay and Misty sat there and WBG did some coke cause it was offered and he told them he would because it was rude to not accept it. I wonder if it the same ones cause both are refered to being in Crecent City. jmo
Hey… Methinks/Pink Panther… I guess our health go hand and hand!!! I’m fighting this respiratory infection!! It’s getting the best of me!!!
Tobias, yes I’ll go listen to it again later. Yeah, I remember the “trick turning”.
Yeah, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to notify the parties that they are under surveillance.
cathartic said,
in March 10th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Crystal lost custody because she did not show up for the custody hearing. She did not get the notice. Apparently she had moved just prior and had not notified the court of her new address.
Most of us would notify the court of a move. Most of us would put in a change of address with the post office. Most of us would do everything differently than either of these parents have done. They are what they are, but I don’t think Crystal not having custody means she was the worse parent, nor does her having an insurance policy mean she harmed Haleigh.
Consider that these people do not do anything the normal way. What might be a motive for the average citizen might not be for them with their way of doing things.
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She sure did get the notice and Kim reaffirmed that in her bar complaint rebuttal. She was at the hearing.
Or to notify the public that anyone is under surveillance. Same reasons apply.
The transcript of the custody proceedings is at fox30….you can read where Crystal said she couldn’t be bothered to get out of bed to take Haleigh to the doctor.
There are usually two hearings. Initially, temporary custody is decided and then permanent custody.
And ya know, possibly Crystal did not want custody at that time. Maybe she was not able to care for the kids. It does not mean she did not care. If I had been unable to care for my child, I would have given up custody. I am sure others would have viewed that as my not caring even though it would have been for total opposite reason.
Anyway, imo, the insurance means nothing and Crystal not having custody does not mean she didn’t care.
People change. I think Crystal is being crucified here for things she did in her past.
I will wait to pound in the nails until I see her arrested on something she is doing now. She will get no mercy from me if she is found doing things that put her kids in danger.
cathartic, I understand what you are saying about custody but I think C was trying to get it, wasn’t she? So I would assume she wanted it.
It’s another thing if she had not disputed it.
And that gets me on another tangent of mine:
I wish that society would make it OKAY for moms who can’t or don’t want their children or want to take care of them (temporarily or permanently) because then maybe more women would be more willing to let their children go to relatives or foster care or be adopted at birth. But society villifies mothers like that. AND doesn’t offer them much if any help.
And it’s ALWAYS the children who suffer.
I am not talking about cs or anyone in particular here.
cath, True if Crystal and Ron reversed their roles reversed Crystal being the father and Ron being the mother would there be such a problem? jmo
Cent:
I feel a little sorry for Lindsey, because of the way Tommy pressures her to push over her grandparents and let his family stay there with her.
cathartic @ 6:57 – Again, I understand about not wanting to blame c for past things. But one thing leads to another, you know? If she’d been MORE of a mother to Jr and Haleigh instead of an every other weekend mother, and more involved in their lives, contributed more to their lives (including making an effort on the cs) and gotten a job or whatever she needed to do to try to get half-custody at least (or something!) she might have made the difference that could have helped prevent this. Even if she was not able to make that kind of difference it would still have been better for the children who could have spent more time with her etc.
I just feel she’d pretty much lost interest in them and was moving on – new man, new child.
m2c, you make a great point.
If a mother cannot care for her children temporarily, for whatever reason, she should have the option of them being placed somewhere to be cared for, without being put under a microscope.
Sometimes mothers want their children but do not fight for custody for reasons of their own. But those mothers are viewed as evil.
It’s similar to a young mother giving up a child for adoption because she cannot care for it. This does not mean she does not love the child.
Others often see motives where there are none. But not everything is as it seems.
Wow….just discovered that one of Marie’s RSO relatives lived only 500 feet from Haleigh….he was the closest RSO to Haleigh’s home.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8989
I’ve posted the link to his sex offender flyer…if it doesn’t show up, you can find him by going to the sex offender website and punching in his name “Kyle S Johns”…..he was at 212 Monroe.
Karon, I am hoping that T’s current behavior and the fact that he’s away from her, will help open Lindsy’s eyes to the kind of scumbag he really is.
Lindsey seems to love Tommy, so much, but she is trying to hold her own with him. She, apparently. is getting to live where she is at rent free.
The reason that Crystal is being looked at with such disdain is because she is a Woman, and gave birth. Lets face it, Mother’s are the nurtures and the ones that are suppose to be the care-takers…and raise their children… it’s always been that way in society. Now, we have a chick that has made so many poor choices that have affected her child in ways that most can not comprehend. Honestly, not all woman are cut out to be Moms. jmo
m2c,
I have said all along that neither parent did right by Haleigh. They both let her down on many levels, imo. She is a victim of both her parents’ lifestyles, attitudes, etc.
M2C:
Sometimes being away from someone for a short time helps, because you can’t see the truth anymore.
I believe when Ron took the kids and didnt return them he knew he would look better in court. He made sure he had a job before he did it. He went and filed before Crystal even knew he was not going to return them. He gave a false address for Crystal on the papers so she would not get them. But Crystal got a lawyer and reapplied and thats how it ended up in court again. When Ron talked about it you can still see he was mad about it still. He says she went and wa wa ed to the judge. I believe
he did it because 1. he wanted his kids 2. he didnt want to pay support to Crystal 3. His parents encouraged him to 4 He was mad at Crystal. This is just my opinion on the custody. I dont think Crystal fought because she was not really capable enough to care for them with out help and I dont think her family was there for her then. jmo
Exactly, BA ! And when a father has custody it is automatically assumed he is some kind of great guy.
We all know better.
M2c, I think Lynsey is getting very annoyed with the situation. It seems she’s not writing very often, and that deal with the gramma wanting to stay there!!!WTH Does’nt he care that his wife and children could end up on the street if she goes against her parents? What a jerk!!!
I am on Croslin tape #7. It was pretty disgusting. It is amazing what we will listen to just to get one or two little glimpses of truth.
Really what Lindsy needs with all those kids. The grandma has health issues, a brain tumor. She knows that can be a volitile thing to have around little kids. JMO
Karon, I find Tommy to be a little selfish shit… His Nana doesn’t even have minutes for him on the phone… yet, Lindsay is suppose to the risk the wrath of her family to accommodate his need/wants. He is on edge… and he can’t not stand the fact that he is not able to control her… anymore.
Methinks:
I think you are right. Lindsey has put up with his family living with them, and, as far as I can tell, she is the only one working.
cent, Your right about that! selfish little shit! While listening to his tapes, I felt the hair on my arms stand up. He reminds me of one of my exes from years ago…CONTROL!!!!
Cent and Tobias:
Tommy would probably like to set Lindsey up with some of his family to watch her while he is in prison.
Interesting…on Marie’s myspace, she has herself listed as the President of the Company “Haleigh Bug Foundation”. Follow the money trail…..
Methinks… I can not stand that crap!!!! Control, Control!!!
Did anyone notice how she talked about how he had a job making 1400 a week before he started getting in trouble and how the flowers werent from him because he never did that unless he was in trouble. And the talk about the ring was a big lie to cover the fact that she pawned it for bail money. Really Tim finds it in boxes from his old house almost a year later? Tommy talked about the ring way after the move and told her to get a new one. jmo
And I notice that Crystal’s sister Sarah’s page is still promoting snuff music….that creeps me out big time.
I am narrowing my list of suspects down a little bit, I think.
In the package you get when you have a new baby there is a Gerber life Plan, alot of young Mom’s on a limited budget get the plan because it is only $3.30 cents a month for a 5,000 policy. The plan doubles when the child turns 18 and the low premium 3.30 is locked in.
The plan accumulates cash value and will continue to do so as long as premiums are paid. After 25 years, the cash value is equal to or greater than 100% of premiums paid.
So, it gives kids a jump start in life.
She also said his friends may not know her but she knows all of them and where they live. Sounds like she followed him around alot, like a jealous wife would.HMMMM. JMO
Tobias:
I haven’t heard about the ring. His doping has swallowed them whole. Hasn’t it? Wow that stinks.
We have to consider those tapes are a month old. A lot could have happened since. And it could be another month before we find out WHAT.
Tobias:
I noticed that part about wives know things.
I agree with everyone that T is a jerk scumbag. He is another “me, me, me first and only!” just like his sister.
I am VERY glad that Lindsy’s relatives put their foot down about not allowing Croslins to freeload on her again. Maybe she’ll get another start in life. She and the children.
In fact I hope T gets a really LONG sentence if for only that reason!
Did anybody look at the link for Marie’s relative, Kyle Johns?
I liked the videos better because you could see how often Lindsey shook or head or rolled her eyes.
The tapes just give us a little look into their character. I hope Lindsey wakes up and saves her kids from being raised the way Tommy has been raised.
My sister thinks that the family is mad at Lindsay, for moving… and that is why the family is really being so short/hostile with Tommy!!
I think after the court dates the parties are pretty aware of what they are really facing and it aint pretty. Thats why the turn around with Misty and her lawyer, she is supporting him in hopes he does a better job at getting her a deal. I wonder why we have never seen the Tommy tape selling drugs? It could be someone is ready to start talking for the right deal jmo
BA, Hank Sr. came to Lindsey’s rescue when she locked her keys in her car. She seems to get along with him, and he with her. I wonder if one reason for that is they are seeing eye-to-eye re Misty.
The people Tommy knows should be really afraid right now since he said he would roll on all of them to get a deal. jmo
That may be so… but, why Nana’s hostile reaction to Tommy?
BAC, Remember Misty was in Tenn. with her and probably told her about Joe and Tommy. I beleive she once said in an interview with the orange one that she thought Joe could be involved even if he is her grandson. And she does supposedly have a brain tumor, and headaches. She does say also she is seeing a psychiatrist. jmo
lol, the orange one
Maybe he should go by the satsuma orange? lol
Cath, Do you think we will ever get any of Rons tapes? I t would be interesting to see how he is handling jail time. jmo
Someone also should let them know that the reason they are protected is because of Haleigh otherwise they would be in general population and who knows what would happen to them then. Nothing good thats for sure. We arent criminals in jail and they have us angry enough to do harm. jmo
cathartic,
I think it was the car parked next to them that locked themselves out…with the child in the car. Lynsey had a dead battery because someone left the radio on. Thats what I got out of that part of the tape. I could be wrong.
Well gotta go to bed early day tomorrow. bye everyone catch up with you all at noon.
Methinks, He was so worried about her getting minutes instead of what if her car didnt start after she got to Walmart. Man I would have told her to let it charge up and shut it off then wait to see if it started befor leaving for Walmart. gezzzz
I think it’s possible that tommy may be talking. He keeps saying she needs to tell the truth and don’t be making shit up, like he’s trying to get it out to the whole world (as if we didn’t know) that she is a liar. Also maybe he hasn’t got a court date because he is talking, and they might let him out of some charges.
night tobias
That may be why we havent seen any video on his involvement in the drugs too. jmo bbl
He knows enough to put a rat in a mailbox. lol jmo night everyone
Hank and Timmy just keep telling Tommy that he messed up, and Hank keeps saying you are stupid.
Lindsey is encouraging Tommy to tell some things he knows. She says don’t make up a story, but tell them some things that are true.(not the exact words)
I thought Lindsy had to move because she did not have enough money for rent or mortgage or electricity or something. I seem to remember her saying something about the power was going to be shut off. Is that right or am I mistaken?
I am asking for a reason so if anyone knows will you let me know please? TIA
In past tapes Hank has a few times asked Tommy if he was sure he was coming home in three years. It’s as if Hank needs reassurance that something else is not going to come up that makes it longer, and then isn’t totally sure even after Tommy assures him.
m2c, if I recall, Lindsey was having a hard time getting hired in that area. She moved due to the expense of living there. She may be working now, I am not sure.
Was interesting that TN was asking about their old place, how much is the rent, etc.
Although, I thought 116 Tyler was up for sale by a realtor. I saw an ad with info on it, but no photo in the ad.
M2C:
I know that Lindsey was wanting to move right before Lisa got in trouble. I think she did need help, and she was probably tired of the Croslins.
I know at one time Lindsey said Timmy and Chelsea would help her.
methinks…
Tommy does have Court dates…he is next in Putnam County Court on the 31st of March…so is Hank Sr. & Misty!
Cent:
You are right that the family was probably mad because Lindsey moved. That left them without a car and a place to live. It sounds like the place they are in, now, is pretty bad.
Did anybody look at the map attached to the RSO brochure for Kyle Johns…very scary just how close he lived. Would have been very easy for him to keep an eye on Haleigh. Did the school bus pick her up and drop her off on Monroe?
Karon.. I think they are angry cause… Lindsay is trying to Live!!!
me,
The RSOs in a widespread area were all checked out. ALL homes in the area were searched inside and out. My concern is more for one that was not registered; they are less likely to be on anyone’s radar. Not sure where the bus stop was.
I think it might be a wise move if you reported your suspicions to the FBI. They are asking for tips on the case so I think they would investigate any they get. JMO.
Cent:
These users can get pretty mean when you stop letting them CONTROL you. It gets usgly. Don’t you think?
I think the issue about Tommy’s court date was because Tommy’s lawyers didn’t want him to have one particular judge. He stopped Tommy from being moved for awhile. I think that is what Tommy said.
Thank you for the info about what led up to Lindsy’s move. I’d been thinking that it “seemed” all was okay until T went to jail. So I’d imagined he’d been bringing in money that helped and that’s why she had to move when he went to jail. If he HAD been bringing in money, then how was he making it? Of course now we know he WAS bringing in groceries (soap, towels etc!) LOL!
Also, earlier I had thought that Lindsy co-owned that place with a relative. So now I’m wondering if that relative (grandfather?) is the same one who is letting her live in his condo. If so, he may have said “I’m not paying for half-the mortgage while the Croslins are mooching off you.” And so that’s how she got to move out – without them tagging along.
I should probably wait until Tobias is here tomorrow because she may know this but I’ll ask now and again tomorrow.
Does T have ONE court date to be tried on all three crimes? The gun theft, the B&E’s and the drugs? All rolled into one trial? That doesn’t make sense to me. But I don’t know how these things work.
“me” – There are over 200 RSOs “missing”/unaccounted for in Georgia alone. There are thousands missing and unaccounted for in this country. They just slipped away. LE has no idea where they are.
So I think it’s perfectly possible that one or more were nearby and no one knew. Certainly LE would not know to check on them. And my gosh that chair in the woods gives me the CREEPS!
And LE seems to ignore it?
M2C:
Do you remember that LE took Crystal to look at some things in a shed in the woods behind the house? There were hints over the news that it was in connection to that chair and JS. They took Crystal to see if she recognized anything, from what I understand. So they were suspicious.
Well goodnight folks…I gotta’ lay down, my tooth is throbbing! YYEEEOOOUCH!
Good night Methinks. I hope you get to feeling better.
M2C:
Did you catch that part on the tapes that said some new charges were going to be added? Tommy asked her if it was the B&E’s, and the gun charge. She said yes. I don’t know if it will all come down at one time, however. Tommy said his lawyer kept telling them 3 yrs, but that may be separate from the B&E’s. He may be in for a long haul before all of this is over. I suppose he should be for pushing drugs and breaking into people’s houses.
cathartic,
I’m sure the FBI have enough to deal with without hearing blogger’s theories!
Plus, it’s my understanding that PCSO are doing the investigation….FBI were involved in the very early days, then said they would become involved again if needed. Other than processing the evidence, I’ve never heard they were involved again.
What I find particularly interesting about Johns, is that he is related to Marie and lived right behind Haleigh. I’m not sure they searched all of the RSO’s homes in the vicinity, though all were cleared. As you probably remember, one was arrested and taken into custody as it was found he was outside his zone at the relevant time, but last I heard they didn’t think he had anything to do with Haleigh.
Cathartic: In my post earlier today about the DNA and evidence/no stranger abduction: I realized (after m2c wrote a response to it,thank goodness) it came out wrong!!
I was just being sarcastic,but when i reread it,it sounded way Harsh…not intended,at all.
Sorry..sometimes I have to watch how I say stuff. too sarcastic,I can’t help it…
But yes, I totally agree w/u all. PCSO can’t just release a statement, and expect folks to believe it. That’s why I wrote Bull****!!
Not directed to you at all; sorry again!! Actually directed to Major Gary Bowling!!lol
m2c….he has his b & e’s, grand theft, and the drug charges arising from the school bus stop incident before Putnam County Court on the 31st of March, and it appears his trafficking charge is before St John’s Court. this is from the PC court records re the trafficking…
2010-02-09 12 ORDER TO CONSOLIDATE
2010-02-09 13 MOTION AND ORDER TO TRANSPORT
2010-02-09 13 03/05/2010 ST JOHNS COUNTY
2010-02-09 14 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR
2010-02-09 14 A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE
2010-02-09 14 ENDORSEMENTS THEREON FILED BY: JAMES S WERTER (FAX)
2010-02-09 15 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY (FAX)
2010-02-10 16 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR
2010-02-10 16 A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE
2010-02-10 16 ENDORSEMENTS THEREON FILE BY:JAMES S WERTER (ORIGINAL)
2010-02-10 17 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY(ORIGINAL)
2010-02-16 18 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND PLEA OF NOT GUILTY AND
2010-02-16 18 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT
2010-02-16 18 OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS THEREON
2010-02-16 18 FILED BY:JAMES S WERTER
methinks…
ouch…abcesses are awful…hope you are feeling all better very soon.
This is for the theft of the gun from the blind neighbor…
UCN: 542009CF001653XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-09-14 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-09-14 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. KEN TAYLOR (8/19/09)
2009-09-14 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-09-16 3 ARREST REPORT: GRAND THEFT (9/15/2009)
2009-09-16 4 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2009-09-16 4 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
2009-09-16 4 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-09-16 4 $50,000.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-09-16 5 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2009-09-16 6 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2009-09-16 7 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2009-09-21 8 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN
2009-09-24 9 STIPULATION AND ORDER ON BOND
2009-09-25 10 $5004.00 (CITY BEST BAIL BOND) #2220906 (09/24/09)
2009-09-25 10 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FLORIDA
2009-10-22 11 INFORMATION (GRAND THEFT (FIREARM)
2009-10-22 12 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/02/2009)
2009-10-22 13 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12/02/2009)
2009-10-30 14 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE, PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, AND
2009-10-30 14 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE
2009-10-30 14 INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS
2009-10-30 14 THEREON
2009-10-30 15 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (12/02/2009)
2009-11-06 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/03/2009)
2009-11-06 17 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12/03/2009)
2009-11-06 18 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (12/03/2009)
2009-12-03 19 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
2009-12-03 19 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2009-12-03 19 CONTINUED TO 01/14/2010
2009-12-03 20 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY
2009-12-08 21 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (01/14/2010)
2009-12-08 22 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01/14/2010)
2010-01-13 28 STATE’S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT, WITNESS LIST
2010-01-13 24 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE
2010-01-14 25 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
2010-01-14 25 CASE SET FOR PLEA DAY 02/17/2010
2010-01-20 26 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (02/17/2010)
2010-01-20 27 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02/17/2010)
2010-01-22 29 MOTION TO REVOKE BOND
2010-01-22 30 ORDER ON STATE’S MOTION TO REVOKE
2010-01-26 31 ORDER REVOKING BOND – DEFENDANT REMANDED TO CUSTODY
2010-02-03 32 MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIV 52
2010-02-03 33 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIV 52
2010-02-03 33 PRE-TRIAL TO BE RESET
2010-02-22 34 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03-31-2010) IN JAIL
2010-02-22 35 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)
The school bus stop arrest…
UCN: 542009CF002113XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-11-06 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-11-06 1 ARREST REPORT – PCSO D/S ALITZER (ARREST 11/5/09)
2009-11-06 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-4578
2009-11-06 1 POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
2009-11-06 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
2009-11-06 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 11/6/09
2009-11-06 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
2009-11-06 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-11-06 2 $1004.00 SECURED BOND SET CT. I
2009-11-06 2 $ 504.00 SECURED BOND SET CT. II
2009-11-06 3 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2009-11-06 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER AT FIRST APP HEARING
2009-11-09 5 $1004.00 (A-1-24 HR CITY BEST) #2229313
2009-11-09 6 $504.00 (A-1-24 HR CITY BEST) #2229314
2009-11-09 6 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FLORIDA
2010-01-28 7 INFORMATION (POSSESSION OF SCHEDULE II SUBSTANCE)
2010-01-28 8 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (POSSESSION OF
2010-01-28 8 PARAPHERNALIA ONLY)
2010-01-28 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03/02/2010) IN JAIL
2010-01-28 10 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03/02/2010)
2010-02-03 11 MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIVISION 52
2010-02-03 12 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIV 52
2010-02-03 12 ARR TO BE RESET
2010-02-09 13 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR
2010-02-09 13 A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE
2010-02-09 13 ENDORSEMENTS THERE ON FILED BY:JAMES WERTER (FAX)
2010-02-09 14 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY (FAX)
2010-02-10 15 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND APPLICATION TO THE CLERK
2010-02-10 15 FOR COPY OF THE INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE
2010-02-10 15 ENDORSEMENTS THEREON FILED BY: JAMES WERTER (ORIGINAL)
2010-02-10 16 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY(ORIGINAL)
2010-02-16 17 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND PLEA OF NOT GUILTY AND
2010-02-16 17 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT
2010-02-16 17 OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS THEREON
2010-02-16 17 FILED BY: JAMES S WERTER (FAX)
2010-02-18 18 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND PLEA OF NOT GUILTY AND
2010-02-18 18 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT
2010-02-18 18 OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS THEREON
2010-02-18 18 FILED BY: JAMES S WERTER (ORIGINAL)
2010-02-22 19 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03-31-2010)
2010-02-22 20 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)
His alleged assault on Hank Sr (his father)
————–
UCN: 542009MM004232XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-11-19 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-11-20 1 ARREST REPORT – PCSO/ LEDBETTER (ARREST 11-19-09)
2009-11-20 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-04807
2009-11-20 1 BATTERY DVR/ HANK CROSLIN SR
2009-11-20 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 11-20-09
2009-11-20 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
2009-11-20 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-11-20 2 $504.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-11-20 2 NO VIOLENT CONTACT WITH HANK CROSLIN SR
2009-11-23 3 $504.00 A-1 24HR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS#2236038 11-20-09
2009-12-03 4 INFORMATION – DOMESTIC BATTERY
2009-12-03 5 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (01-14-2010)
2009-12-03 6 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01-14-2010)
2010-01-14 7 ARR MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, WAIVING RIGHT TO COUNSEL
2010-01-14 7 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY – PRE-TRIAL SET 03/03/10
2010-01-14 8 WAIVER OF COUNSEL
2010-01-14 9 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (03-03-2010)
2010-01-15 10 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NOLLE PROSEQUI
The theft of the items found at his home/reported stolen by others in the neighborhood…
UCN: 542010CF000164XXAXMX
File Date: 2010-01-22 Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Defense Atty:
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2010-01-22 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. L SMITH (1/19/10)
2010-01-22 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2010-01-22 1 BURGLARY OF DWELLING
2010-01-22 1 GRAND THEFT
2010-01-22 2 WARRANT ISSUED – BOND SET AT $5,004.00 TJL
2010-01-22 2 BOND SET AT $2,504.00
2010-01-26 3 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2010-01-26 4 FIRST APPEARANCE FORM
2010-01-26 5 ORDER TO TRANSPORT DEFENDANT TO ST JOHNS COUNTY
2010-01-26 5 FROM PUTNAM COUNTY
2010-01-26 6 MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE OF
2010-01-26 6 BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS
2010-01-26 6 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
2010-01-26 7 ORDER REQUIRING PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF
2010-01-26 7 SOURCE OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL (NEBBIA HEARING)
2010-01-26 7 PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS RELEASE ON BAIL
2010-01-28 8 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2010-01-28 8 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
2010-01-28 8 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2010-01-28 8 CT I – $5004 AND CT II $2504 SECURED BOND SET
2010-01-28 8 ADD ON CHARGES
Nothing but……..Love
Hank Sr’s Doctor Shopping…
UCN: 542009CF002296XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-11-24 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: MACQUEEN, WILLIAM A
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T SR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-11-24 1 COMPLAINT FILED: FDLE
2009-11-24 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-11-24 1 DOCTOR SHOPPING(WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM A
2009-11-24 1 PRACTITIONER (F3)
2009-11-24 2 FELONY WARRANT ISSUED – BOND SET AT $2504.00
2009-11-25 3 ARREST REPORT – 11/24/2009
2009-11-25 3 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-04876
2009-11-25 3 BOND SET AT $7504.00
2009-11-25 4 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2009-11-25 4 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING
2009-11-25 4 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-11-25 4 $7504.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-11-25 5 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2009-11-25 6 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2009-11-25 7 FELONY WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2009-11-30 8 $7500.00 A-1-24 HOUR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS-#2236011
2009-11-30 8 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FL (11/25/2009)
2010-01-21 9 INFORMATION
2010-01-21 9 DOCTOR SHOPPING (WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM
2010-01-21 9 PRACTITIONER)
2010-01-26 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-18-2010)
2010-01-26 11 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02-18-2010)
2010-02-18 12 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED,
2010-02-18 12 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,
2010-02-18 12 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 03/31/2010.
2010-02-18 13 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS
2010-02-18 14 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER
2010-02-18 15 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 03/31/2010
2010-02-23 16 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03-31-2010)
As you can see, Putnam County will have 3 Croslins before the Court on the 31st.
I think the assault charge was dropped, but I had forgotten about the charge when he passed out. He was determined to get in trouble. Those drugs really got ahold of him.
Hi Armando:
What do you think of the tapes?
Karon,
It does seem the assault was dropped….I don’t remember him getting charged with that. The school bus stop arrest was disgusting and pathetic. Those poor kids. I hope the other kids at school didn’t hear about that arrest.
I’m not quite sure where the rumour started that he didn’t have any court dates, but as you can see, he has lots of matters listed at Court!
If anyone wants to check their court dates, you just have to go to Putnam County clerk of courts web page, then click online inquiry, then croslin% and they all come up.
At St John’s, same thing, get to the clerk of courts page, then go to “criminal research” then it gives you a link where you can do on-line inquiries. I’d provide the links but I don’t think they’ll show up here.
From the sounds in the background in these tapes Lindsey does not need another Croslin to take care of, she has her hands full with the children. They seem to be sucking the life out of her and her family.
But the funny to me was Lisa and Hank going to WALMART for a microwave when her last charge was stealing at Walmart.
I doubt that the small town would pass up any gossip. The children are still pretty young, so they might not understand.
Cathartic and m2c:I forgot to tell u: the “Official” statement was released by PCSO last month I think. It was authentic,(even tho it’s a line of crap!)
I guess google it,or try youtube? I saw it on CNN, maybe try that site too.
Anyway, PCSO actually has the nerve in the statement to say since they found no other dna/prints,etc..that it excludes the chance of a stranger abduction? And yes,how many times have we seen that before..its laziness,lies,and coverups. I like ur questions ’bout the lint,drains,and all,but I guess they blew that off,just like they did about the freakin’ door!!
And what about carpet??Grass??
Don’t they watch FORENSIC FILES??lol
Me:
Tommy and Lindsey were talking about it on the tape, but I think TC has one now.
Judith:
That was funny about Walmart shopping. I know they are following their every step.
Yes, the assault against Sr. was dropped. I think he decided he didn’t want to pursue it so it was dismissed.
I think B&E charges would be heard separately from drug trafficking charges. The potential sentences are different for each type of crime. He might have gotten probation on the B&Es if not for the trafficking charge. And it all depends on which issue is heard first; if he is convicted of a felony, he could get more than 3 years on trafficking. Three years is the minimum, so he could get more than that if he goes into court as a convicted felon.
JMO.
I hate to say this, but the life insurance policy was taken out and paid for by GOOD OLE JOHNNY SHEFFIELD!!!
Plus,it’s a term one. More bucks!!We r talking 1,000,000.
This is no joke,it’s the truth..as usual,I will have to look back and find the info on that, but I promise I will.
me,
Tommy said on the tapes he didn’t have court dates yet. But the tapes are a month old.
It was strange the way LE suddenly called off the search and TES went home.
cathartic,
Probation for b & e’s?? Really? Where I come from you get a minimum 2 1/2 years non-parole for a single b & e.
judithan….
You’d think the walmart would have banned for from going back on their premises. Crazy. Other customers should get a warning to watch their purses before she enters!
And let me quote Tommy: “I ain’t got no felonies!!!”
Yep, and I’m the Queen of England.
I wonder how many times the word “consolidate” is seen on their records? So many charges….so little time…Atleast since he’s in jail now, it’ll give the court time to catch up w/his charges.
Cathartic:
You are right, and I am sure the prosecutor will arrange it so that he will face the trafficking charges as a fellon. He could be in for alot of trouble.
Karon, I want to think it was because they got some evidence that said she was still alive. I mean, it made no sense to call it off at that point when there was so much area yet to be searched.
This case is baffling not only because of the players in both families, but LE’s action or possible lack of action, as well.
LE doesn’t owe us a play by play of their investigation; that would in fact be a detriment. But I really had suspected the case had gone cold until the drug arrests. No way those are not tied in because that is the life the players were living, and also shows some of the environment Haleigh was living in.
me, where I come from you get time for B&Es, too. But we’re talking Putnam County, where no one seems to get time for anything.
Cathartic:
Look at all of the things RC got by with before they got determined to make it stick. I am sure these arrests were connected to Haleigh’s disappearance. They may let alot go for awhile because their little dept. has it’s hands full and, possibly, their jail is full.
B&E is a felony,so if he’s convicted,doesn’t matter what the sentence is, it’s still a felony.
In my state too many people are granted probation for B&E’s, minor drug possession, and so many other things. (Usually first offenders.)
There will not be any new tapes of Ron until he gets some more boxer shorts. Sorry guys.
ANY VOLUNTEERS??
cathartic said,in March 10th, 2010 at 10:18 pm me, where I come from you get time for B&Es, too. But we’re talking Putnam County, where no one seems to get time for anything.
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Good point! I notice Lisa came out with probation (with drug testing) for stealing from a vulnerable neighbor….I think she should have done some time for it. Stealing from vulnerable people like that is really low.
Yep Karon, he got away with a lot. So did Tommy. And Lisa. And Hank. And numerous other “citizens” of that county.
No doubt they would not have space to lock everyone up but my opinion is certain sex offenses should be life sentence with no chance of parole. Even if they have to ship them to facilities out of state.
I got kind of tickled on those tapes when TC and Lindsey were fussing about his lawyer being so negative. TC said, “He just keeps saying 3 years.” He seemed to think that was impossible. He will be lucky if it is just 3 yrs.
I wonder how long Ron will get?
I agree about the sex offenders.
Me and Ronfan:
I don’t know how much lower a person could go than stealing from neighbors and blind people that you ae mooching off of.
Karon,
I’m only guessing (not having read his charge sheets closely), but I don’t think Ron will get too much. His criminal history is minor, and the Judge will be made aware that he lost his daughter, turned to drugs to cope, and sold to fund his habit (my best guess of how his lawyer would deal with his sentence).
Karon,
I totally agree. The vulnerable need to be better protected, and stealing from blind and vulnerable people should be a serious aggravating factor to take into account in determining an appropriate sentence.
Me:
You are, most likely, right, but Ron seems convinced that he is going to prison.
me,
That will only happen if RC gets his charges reduced. If he is tried on the trafficking charges as they stand, there is a mandatory minimum; the judge will have no leeway on the sentence.
For any of this group their only hope is getting all charges reduced. Some may be reduced and some may even be dismissed, but if even one stands and they get convicted of it, the mandatory minimum is what they will get.
Karon,
Yes, he sured seemed to think so on that tape we heard. Perhaps his lawyer is preparing him for the worst case scenario. Given the circumstances (and knowing little to nothing of how the Florida sentencing scheme works), I would have thought he might get 18 months or something like that, if he has a good lawyer.
I should have said the mandatory minimum is the least they will get.
cathartic…not sure the mandatory minimums are set in stone….where I live, you can argue that you should receive less than the minimum and I think it’s the same in Fla from the little I read…there seems to be some sort of point system they use there that factors in things like prior history, age etc. I know where I am they call them “mandatory minimums” but they are basically guidelines.
Tommy told his dad that he will have to serve the full 3yrs on a minimum mandatory sentence. I think that is what his lawyer told him, but he keeps hoping for a better deal, I suppose.
((((MeThinks))) are you here?
I’ve seen some posts about concern over a judge already having made up her mind about the sentence. Well, that’s not what it’s about. The law determines the sentence in drug trafficking cases. The only choice a judge has is whether to impose a sentence longer than the minimum. The minimum is mandatory and not negotiable. The negotiating has to be with the charge itself, the sentence cannot be less than the mandatory minimum.
Many judges nationwide do not like the mandatory minimum law because it takes away their ability for leniency for young, first-offenders.
Hello Cent:
Methinks went to bed with a terrible toothache.
Cathartic:
I had heard the law was cracking down on drug trafficking.
Now, it is possible the prosecution will agree to reduce or dismiss some charges. I am not saying that might not happen. And then there would be no mandatory minimum.
Cathartic:
I don’t know with the charges of B&E against Tommy, also, they may throw the book at him.
It is almost procedure when a child goes missing and it cannot be solved the one blamed by Police is the last one with the child. In some cases it is true, however, in some it is not. It could happen to anyone of us and the media would be no kinder to us. There would be a lynch mob to Judge no matter who it was. Russell serial killer in Canada use to scale apartment buildings as high as 15 stories entering with no signs of forced entry. Leaving and locking the patio and never using the apartment door, completely baffling for Police. One of his victims was strangled to death and raped in her bed while her daughter slept in the next room, unlike NG and other suggest it is possible to sleep through someone coming into the home.
With drugs in the picture it does not automatically mean drugs were the cause, IMHO that is an easy way out. In my experience drug use is a result of a bigger problem there are greater issues on the table that IMHO are not being looked at and LE is being to closed minded. This arrest was desperate and portrayed in a manner that was completely violating the fair process of Justice. I’m tired of this LE the FBI in their repeated mistakes “Amber” only to give the same ol same ol song and dance. “Were sorry were learning” At this rate of learning they should be Nobel Prize winners. IMHO this case needs to be looked at all over from scratch and brought to the public with a public release that suggest there is intelligence and open minded sources working on it. All this repeated hate material thrown out at the public by Putnam LE is just old, that is my opinion of their public releases, hate talk. Accusations, implying, suggesting, targeting, and backing it up with nothing more than more lip service.
Thanks Karon… I’ll PM her… I’m off to try and get some sleep myself, Respiratory Infection has kicked my butt/got early hospital visit in the morning and I’m acting like a coward, don’t want to be admitted, all I can see are tubes in my chest. My ever present neurosis. Have a Good-Night All!
I think these people are typical small time criminals from the jail house conversations I’ve heard. But they”re good or completely brain dead from drugs, Everything is someone else’s’ fault. NOT ME I didn’t do nuttin !!!!!! Who can I throw under the bus to escape my charges? They’ve escaped incarceration for years and now it’s finally catching up with them. I am unsure what has happened to Haleigh because ALL the players are confusing. No wonder LE can’t solve this case.
I read an article not long ago about a young, first time offender convicted on a trafficking charge. The judge was fighting back tears as he sentenced the kid to 15 years without possibility of parole. It was the mandatory minimum, and the judge did not have any other choice. The kid had no prior record, not even for minor stuff.
The players here are in deep do-do, no doubt about it. Dismissal or reduction of all charges are their only chance of not going away for the long haul.
Cent:
I hope you get to feeling better. I hope you don’t wind up with tubes in your chest,and you get better soon. Have a good night.
BA, I hope you feel better soon, get some rest tonight. Maybe they can fix you up with antibiotics and you won’t have to be inpatient.
Judith:
I know, they lie so much, it is really hard to tell anything for sure. LE knows alot that they are not telling. Having LE so mad at them for not telling the truth will not help them in that small town. I wouldn’t think.
Misty:But,it’s gonna hurt two people, It’s gonna hurt two people
Chelsea: That we care about?
Misty: Kinda! Uh, one yeah and the other kinda.
Chelsea: That I care about?
Misty: Yeah!
OK, I do NOT think she is talking about Joe and Tommy. Chelsea mentions something, I could not hear and then Misty said something, and Chelsea responds with, wow,but I have not seen HER in a long time though.
Sound’s like Misty said after that, Teresa’s the truth Chels.
Buddy, I’m going to listen again. I didn’t hear it that way, I thought it was, “It’s the truth.”
But my laptop speakers are lousy.
I remember something about not seeing her in a long time but I thought that was about Misty’s old friend Crystal, the one who wrote to her saying she is looking for ways to bail her out.
Going to listen again now…
Sorry to drop out of the conversation…just had something go very wrong with a house I was about to buy….arrgh. Be back soon!
Buddy:
You aren’t saying TN has her, are you? Who else could MC be talking about, other than TC or Joe? MC told her it wasn’t Ron.
The way Lindsey talked on those tapes, the lawyer had told her that MC was telling things on Tommy. She was really mad.
MC said think real hard and you will know the truth. I thought she might be talking about Tommy and Joe, because Chelsea has already suspected Joe. Joe was at Timmy and Chelsea’s house the night Haleigh went missing, and Chelsea’s van had been moved and a scratched.
Karon
I think th tapes really just hold one
great thing…….they’re in jail. Not NY or CA or getting tattoos or doing TV shows
thts one fr Haleigh.
…” @ the end of th day all tht have mattered is tht you loved…thts what…they
failed to do……love Haleigh.”
Haleigh’s justice will b coming soon. End who ever ends up being th guilty party will b made an example of. I pray for thm as
well.
….=|
Armando:
Thanks, so true. They loved themselves more than they loved Haleigh, that precious little child.
Karon Cox said,
in March 10th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
You aren’t saying TN has her, are you? Who else could MC be talking about, other than TC or Joe? MC told her it wasn’t Ron.
The way Lindsey talked on those tapes, the lawyer had told her that MC was telling things on Tommy. She was really mad.
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WHich jailhouse tape was that on ?
Personally, I don’t know this UC can sleep at night knowing he has set up a teenager, with a seriously disadvantaged background, and no prior criminal history, to do a term of 25 years in jail. They should be out catching the bad guys, not setting up silly kids. That makes me feel ill that that cop did that, knowing what the consequences would be.
It’s the first Misty tape. Not the mislabeled one, the first in the Misty column. It’s sort of toward the end. I did not hear Teresa. Chelsea says “Wow” and Misty said (I believe) “The truth is the truth, Chels.”
Thanks I going to go listen… I have listen to all of them but they all seem to run together after awhile.lol
me,
I think LE had a reason for it, and they know the charges could be negotiated and probably will be. I am not convinced any of these people will go away for a long time on the drug charges, though it is possible.
Karon, of course I do not think TN “has” Haleigh, but I think she knows what happened to her..
Her behavior has been weird from the get go.
Ron Tattooing her name real big on his chest is strange.
Too many things about her that just don’t add up, but would explain Misty and Ron’s odd behavior.
Chelsea said, wow, but I have not seen “HER” in a long time though.
I don’t know why TC’s lawyer would be so definite that he is going to get 3yrs, if he wasn’t fully expecting it. I don’t think that is even including the gun charge and the B and E’s.
the answer is – Misty has been made a scapegoat by an inept law enforcement who has bungled the case from the beginning, those idiots couldn’t find their arses with a roadmap.
cathartic
Who is she talking about? Chelsea says I haven’t seen HER in a while?
Buddy:
You could be right, but I really don’t think TN would have been so obviously devastated if she had Haleigh, or knew where she was. TN fell apart about the time LE called off that search. I don’t know what the family found out about that time, but TN has been all to pieces since that time.
I wondered if Chelsea and MC weren’t trying to cover up what Misty was talking about because of the tapes. I caught a sudden shift of conversation, about the time Misty said that, and it came to me that they were trying to cover up what they were talking about.
I really find it difficult to believe it could be Tommy or Joe, and Ronald not have found out about it. He would have found out if it was anyone so close to home. Misty may say it was them but if it really was either or both of them, I believe Ronald would have found out very quickly and he would have killed them. Really, Ronald is a POS, but I don’t think he would let anyone slide on hurting his daughter.
Why is Misty all of the sudden worried about hurting 2 people. If this info is true. She claims to LOVE Ron but she with held this info for a year. This just doesn’t make sense.
I would love if someone would get Tommy out of jail. I think Misty would start talking ..
ky mom,
Misty apparently had a friend named Crystal who she ran away with a few years ago. That friend has now written to Misty saying she is looking for ways to help her, possibly get her bailed out. That’s the person they are talking about when Chelsea says she hasn’t seen “her” in a long time.
I know, Glove, and you desire her nubile body.
cath, she does not say that during that part of the conversation, she said it when they are talking about the two people getting hurt.
ky mom, I think Misty is already talking. She said that about hurting two people on 2/9. She could very well have talked by now.
I think whatever she claims will have to be verified. If it is just he said/she said, I don’t think it’s going to get anyone arrested for Haleigh. It would have to be proven, or someone confesses, before an arrest will be made on behalf of Haleigh.
I say it that way because even though there is room for sympathy for Misty, this really is not about her. It is about Haleigh.
ohh okay. So they just changed the conversation. Sorry my speakers are horrible……
Wonder if she is still considering taking a LD. Remember last time she was to sleepy.lol
Cathartic:
I think you are right. Ithink Chelsea is part of that family and wanted to change the subject fast, and she switched back to something they had talked about earlier.
Wow, Buddy, I missed that. I mean, I believe you, but I must have missed it.
Could it be they talk about it on another tape as well? Because the tape I listened to she said haven’t seen “her” in awhile about Misty’s old friend Crystal, before the “hurt two people” part of the conversation.
I said my laptop audio is not great and some of the tapes sound a little scratchy on my speakers so I could have missed something, I’ll admit it.
I don’t quite understand RC’s actions in all of this, or anyone else’s either. You can be sure it centers around drugs, however. Maybe, we are expecting rational thinking, and there is none.
I wonder why that part about hurting two people was not redacted.
I thought everything about the ongoing investigation was redacted??
Wonder why we haven’t heard all of Ron’s Jailhouse tapes?
You know, it is entirely possible Haleigh OD’d on a drug and the drugs were Ronald’s. If that’s what happened, it could explain Ronald not being in a position to do anything to anyone even if he found out they covered up.
Whatever Misty tells is likely to be a lie or only a partial truth.
Cathartic:
The drug overdose theory and TC, Joe, and TC helping MC to cover up, is my theory. Like you said, RC may have felt guilty and involved, because she told him it was his drugs.
Talk to all of you later. I am going to listen to some more tapes. I hope TC isn’t talking about his bathroom needs on the next tape, but I suppose, that is what we all deserve for listening to their conversation. ANYTHING FOR HALEIGH, I ALWAYS SAY
So this is what Nancy grace has on her page about the conversation with Chelsea.
Sister-in-law: So what, you have things you need to talk to him about?
Misty Croslin: Well yeah, I mean, it’s you know, hard to talk.
Sister-in-law: I know.
Misty Croslin: Yeah. But it’s gonna hurt two people. It’s gonna hurt two people.
Sister-in-law: That we care about?
Misty Croslin: Kinda. One, yeah. And the other, kinda.
Sister-in-law: That I care about?
Misty Croslin: Yeah.
Sister-in-law: Cause I know I don’t give a f*** about Ronal, excuse my language.
Misty Croslin: No, No. No it’s somebody. Yeah, no.
Sister-in-law: It’s not him?
Misty Croslin: No, you just think Chelsea, use your head. And you’ll know.
Buddy,
They kind of go all over the place sometimes in their conversations. They go back and forth when they talk, but I understood it as she had not seen Misty’s old friend Crystal in a long time.
I am not sure one of the two people is a “her” and you are hearing it in a different way than I am. And you might be the one hearing it correctly.
I just don’t know who the “her” would be if it is someone she plans to implicate. Try as I might, I do not hear her say “Teresa is the truth.” I hear her say “the truth is the truth.”
It is possible Teresa was involved; with this clan anything is possible. I will be surprised if it turns out she is, but not shocked.
LOL ky mom…my post took so long to go through. Yours wasn’t showing yet when I was trying to post mine.
So…even though NG transcripts are sometimes inaccurate, that one looks close to what I heard heard.
I thought I might be able to understand them since they do talk hillbilly .lol
I think she is saying the truth is the truth.
cathartic,
why haven’t we heard any more of Ron’s jailhouse tapes?
And have you heard anything else on a Lie detector test? Maybe PCSO wanted her to take another to verify the info she was talking to Chelsea about?
Yep, I think she’s gonna implicate Tommy and Joe. She doesn’t care about Joe.
She cares about Ronald and won’t say anything that would implicate him. Or herself. Even though she is guilty as sin…whether she is the one responsible or just covered up and withheld info. Lied, basically, saying she didn’t “know nothin'”.
I now believe she did wash a blanket. But not because it had pee on it.
cathartic…after you said the minimum terms were mandatory, and told me about the story you read about the Judge being upset sentencing a young man, I checked the law and I think you are absolutely right on that. I just wish someone, a proper adult with a decent moral backbone, had intervened and helped Misty rather than trying to set her up (first Donna, Tim & then LE). I doubt very much she is evil, just young, not bright, and knowing little else than the life she saw growing up with her druggie deadbeat parents. IMO, it is the parents that should be in jail for not giving her the benefit of a free education (that all children are entitled to and should receive), the system let her down by not doing something when they realized an 11 year old was not enrolled in school. It makes me very sad, and if she had nothing to do with Haleigh going missing, this is an absolute tragedy of huge proportions.
I think possibly Ronald is no longer having visitors or talking on the phone. I think he is communicating by mail only, to avoid being recorded.
I would like to think he found a way to act like a man and told what he knows. I won’t comment further on that since I cannot express it in language that Jan would be OK with.
cathartic…
ITA re Ronald….if he thought it was Tommy, I think he would have done something quite serious to Tommy by now.
Personally, I am sooooo upset to hear PCSO set up a teenager with Misty’s background the way they did. So many teenagers make huge mistakes, but with the right guidance, go on to become productive citizens. Through work, I met a young lady a number of years ago, who was hanging out with the wrong crowd, and found herself charged with a very serious bank robbery offence. Thankfully, instead of people trying to set her up, people helped her…the end result is that she will complete her final law exams this month.
IMO, if Misty had anything to tell, PCSO and everyone have gone about it the absolute wrong way. If they’d gained her trust and not subjected her to this “Misty is the key” stuff, perhaps she might have felt safe enough to tell what she knew. I am upset beyond words by the way PCSO has handled all this.
me,
All the adults in Haleigh’s life failed her.
And all the adults in Misty’s life failed her.
It’s just a sad, sad situation all the way around, for everyone.
But you know, my thoughts are for Haleigh, not Misty. I care about all the little ones who are just thrown away.
It is true that Misty had a few chances in life. But, Haleigh had even fewer.
cathartic,
I think the big difference in our views is that you believe Misty is involved in her disappearance somehow. I’m not at all convinced of that and can’t help but think we will see someone on the other side of the family eventually charged with this. Which would mean, Misty’s already sad life has now been completely destroyed. I hope that if the Sheffield/Griffis side is responsible, that they are sent away for life for the damage they have caused so many people.
I think the only difference between us is we have differing views as to who is responsible.
cathartic,
I know you differ from me in your views, but I still need to ask if you watched the video of Marie while Chad was being taken away? That’s what firmed up my view of who is responsible. Of course, I could be wrong, but I can’t help but feel Crystal’s side is behind this. A couple months ago I was convinced it was Tommy, but after reviewing all the Chad/Marie stuff, I have become convinced it was them.
I’d love to hear your thoughts re whether you also think Marie looks rattled when Chad is being taken away and she is saying she is his alibi.
Well, my mind closed briefly. I have re-opened it.
It is possible that none of the players had anything to do with Haleigh going missing, and that Misty is going to implicate someone just to get her butt out of jail. I realize that what she tells might not be true, and also that she might really not have anything to tell but is in a situation where she feels she has to say something, anything…true or not.
I spoke out of anger in my previous post, anger at Misty for withholding info from investigators. I believe she has done that, but I am not sure that what she has withheld is that she knows what happened. I could be just that she left the kids alone that night.
I think the truth will come out eventually, but likely a few more lies will come first.
me,
I saw the video of Chad being taken away, and Marie said she wasn’t worried because he lives 500 feet from her, etc.
I have to say, MG gives me the creeps big time. She’s very weird, and even looks scary to me in some vids. But, in that video I did not think she looked alarmed or worried over Chad.
If Chad was “missing” that night, by all means I want to know where he was. It has been said he was with a woman, and possibly he told LE all about that and they interviewed the woman.
IDK…I have to think LE did not completely bungle the investigation. They may have made some mistakes, but to not thoroughly investigate the whereabouts of all parties is something I can’t believe happened.
Hey, I would love to find out that the other side took Haleigh and is keeping her secreted away somewhere. It is about the only theory I can think of at this point that has her still alive. I just do not see anything that points to that.
If it was just PCSO or even FDLE, I might be more suspicious of the investigation. But FBI was and still is involved. I find it difficult to believe all three LE entities have neglected to investigate all the parties’ alibis.
There could be more arrests soon, you never know. If the Griffis and Sheffields are into anything big, they will get their due.
me,
If Misty was not involved and that is proven by someone else being arrested, she might be OK. In that scenario I see her trafficking charges being reduced, and the mandatory minimum then goes away. She could still do some time, but it would not be a lengthy sentence. It could end up being time served and then an ankle bracelet for awhile. Or even time served and probation.
I think Misty is going to get what she deserves, no more and no less.
cathartic,
It is understandable that you would feel that way towards Misty if you think she is in some way responsible. I feel the same way towards Marie, even though I don’t know for sure that she’s behind it. We can’t help our feelings.
Misty, Tommy & Hank have caused me to raise my eyebrows more than a few times…but it’s been nothing compared to what I feel about what I’ve seen from the other side.
If Misty is talking, I am guessing she’s just going to give further details as to why she thinks Tommy and/or Joe might be involved. I thought she may have lied about going out that night, but given LE have had 13 months to get something on her, I am not so sure anymore.
It is the very fact that so many LE are involved that makes me think it unlikely that the Croslins and/or Cummings are involved. I just can’t imagine them getting away with it for this long.
Interesting your thoughts on Marie…because we know she was lying when she told the reporter Chad was home that night. Or as she says, she was mistaken…I think it was a lie as I just don’t understand how you could mistakenly give someone an alibi for something this serious, plus, she lived on the same property, got the call, and must have known Chad was not there when the calls were coming in.
I agree that they are probably being thorough in their investigation, and I am wondering if this Misty is the Key stuff is merely a distraction to make the real perp feel confident, so that they might make a mistake. I sure hope it was Marie, and that Haleigh is safe somewhere.
I am pretty sure Crystal and her clan are being watch closely. I think since DCF did not effectively supervise the environment those kids were in with Ronald, they will do a better job supervising Junior’s caretakers. It’s an agency that is overwhelmed to the point where they can’t supervise effectively in most cases, but with Haleigh gone I don’t think they will risk anything happening to Junior.
If there are drugs or other crimes going on there, Junior will be removed from Crystal’s custody.
What goes around, comes around. I do not believe authorities can afford to ignore that clan. If they took Haleigh or arranged it, they will be found out.
I need to go to bed. My cat is sick and I have to call the vet first thing in the morning and see if they can help him. Poor kitty, he’s such a sweetheart.
cathartic…I am soooo sorry about your cat. I am a cat lover and had one of mine into see an oncologist this week and he has surgery scheduled for next week. I sure hope your kitty is feeling much better by the time you wake.
Oh, man, I am so disappointed that I couldn’t follow today. I will do my best to tune in and participate tomorrow. You all are awesome!
I’m still here. I won’t be sleeping. Kitty is really sick and I need to keep an eye on him. He can’t pee. He was fine all day yesterday; I clean his box every morning and every evening but yesterday I cleaned it around 5 PM also because it was trash day. He had been peeing just fine, but around midnight I noticed him in his box. Then 10 minutes later he was still there. And did not produce. So, I am worried, even though he is eating and playful.
Sorry, off topic. I just love this kitty so much and he’s just an awesome pet.
me…sorry about your sick baby. It is hard to see them ill.
cathartic…r u still with us?
I’ve had that happen to a kitty before….the males can get urinary tract blockages (it is quite common, particularly if they eat a lot of dry food), and it is quite an urgent and serious matter when it happens….but if caught before the kitty is too sick, I think they can usually clear most of the blockages….it happened to me almost 20 years ago so I don’t remember the details, but the vet was able to make my kitty all better. I’m going to see if I can find you a link.
BTW, I also pulled an all nighter about 2 weeks ago with my kitty that saw the oncologist this week….I know what it’s like.
cathartic…
Just remembered links won’t post here. But if you google “blocked urinary tract cats” you will find a bunch of websites that talk about it (I just googled it and a lot came up). It is extremely common and you can even buy foods at the vet aimed at keeping the risk of it happening low. I think your kitty will be fine if you get him to the vet in the morning. He’s very lucky to have you looking after him.
cathartic,
When I say I don’t remember the details, I mean the details of how the vet made him better. But I remember him doing the same thing as your kitty is doing at the litter box, except he was howling in pain when he was in the box. I believe it is very common with male cats.
I’m here, sorry…was loving up the boy.
He’s not in pain, but he can’t pee at all.
The vet doesn’t open for another 4 hours, I hope he can wait that long.
He has had this twice before. I took him off dry food completely except for the occasional day if I had to be out of town and my neighbor came in to feed him. But he blocked again eventually.
So, off dry food totally, no exceptions. Quality wet food and often with more water added. He blocked again.
Since then he has had wet food mixed with water and an acidifier added. He was doing well until last night.
So I call the vet as soon as the office opens. I will be dressed and ready to go, because it’s 20 miles away and it’s thick fog out there. Hope it clears a little by the time we go.
Sorry to all who come in now to read, for all my off-topic posting. If there was a way I could delete them, I would.
cathartic,
You are such a good kitty mommy! He’s lucky you have caught is as early as you have. Reading your posts is like deja vous re what happened to me 2 weeks ago (except my kitty’s problem is quite different). I was supposed to be going out to a concert, went to check on my kitty before I left, noticed he was walking hunched (and there were already cancer concerns re a lump he had), and I panicked…stayed home, called emergency vet, decided to try to avoid emergency vet, so stayed up all night to make sure he didn’t deteriorate (in which case I would have rushed him to emergency), then showed up on my vets door step (also about 20 miles away) for his 8am opening time! He was booked for surgery last Tuesday, but then I noticed another lump in his nose, surgery cancelled and refer red to oncologist. Next Thursday he sees a dermatologist, oncologist, surgeon (to remove the bump on his hind parts), and another vet who will perform an endoscopy?? in his nose, and maybe a biopsy of the bump in his nose. The oncologist was certain the bump on his back end was not cancer (but will still be removed as it is growing), so I’m very happy about that and hope I get good news re his nose. The poor little guy…also a huge sweetie…I rescued him from the street, and he is FIV+. I think both our kitties are going to be okay!
I’m sorry for my ot posts too…I rarely post ot so hope I am forgiven.
Well, me…I hope the bloggers will be kind and understand how I love this little guy. Or maybe Jan will arrive and delete all my OT’s before too many complain 🙂
Mine is a rescue kitty also. All cats I have ever had, except the first one, have been rescues. Good grief, I can’t seem to stop!
SORRY EVERYONE.
I am sure everyone will understand. My world revolves around my kitties, so I sure get it! I have so many friends that are depressed, and I’m convinced they wouldn’t be if they had feline company! They are fascinating creatures and make wonderful friends.
Hopefully Haleigh will come home one day soon and get to live in a nice house with a kitty cat companion!
Oh wouldn’t that be the best outcome!
cathartic…mine too! First one I got when I was 17…she was advertised in the paper. Everyone since has been a rescue…I lived in an area where fishing boats came in and there were stray/feral cats everywhere, and I rescued quite a few of them! They are now sophistioated world travellers…lol…I moved overseas and brought them all with me and back…long, funny story. We also did a motor home trip through the rockies together!
Well I am depressed. Bipolar, actually, but predominantly depressed. And my cat makes me smile every day, something I would not do without his antics.
I think some of my depression is due to all the crap in the world these days. So many people being cruel to children, often their own, gnaws on me.
cathartic…
Yes, it would be a great outcome. I still have hope that she’s ok. Look at Jaycee Duggard…she seems to be doing pretty good, considering. Elizabeth Smart is doing well, considering, and others have survived. People can survive awful things. Hopefully Haleigh’s not experiencing anything awful though, but no matter what, I hope she is found soon.
cathartic,
I hear ya…there are not very many nice people in the world, and they’re all caught up in their meaningless, superficial, materialistic pursuits and don’t seem to have the time and/or inclination to be compassionate. I say the same thing to people about my kitties…they make me laugh and giggle all day long…even through the worst of times, they can put a smile on my face.
Ya know, we can’t give up on Haleigh coming home.
Somehow I knew Elizabeth Smart was alive. None of my friends thought so, but I knew, though I can’t figure out how I knew. Jaycee seems to be doing very well in spite of the horrendous ordeal she went through. Love heals a lot of wounds.
Bring Haleigh home. It’s time.
Yes, many people aren’t at all nice to their own children. I hate when I am out somewhere and I see an adult berate, belittle or otherwise be abusive towards a small child…I always try to catch the child’s eye and let them know as best I can that it is their parent that has the problem, not them. It must be so confusing for kids. And it takes them many years to recover from that sort of childhood. I really can’t help but feel sorry for Misty…with parents and brothers like that, she was probably treated like a freak by the other kids. Who grows up with a grade 6 education in this day and age? Crazy.
Good morning, everyone!
It’s a scientifically proven fact that petting cats (and maybe dogs too) lowers people’s blood pressure! And even if it didn’t, I count cats and dogs among God’s most wonderful, loving, innocent and vulnerable creatures – not unlike children.
So if anyone wants us to stop praying for a sick cat they can eat cat food for a week as far as I’m concerned!
And let’s remember and pray for BA Cent who has an appointment at the hospital today I believe because of an upper respiratory problem she’s having.
And if anyone doesn’t like that comment – I’ve got another can of cat food, for ya! LOL!
Part of me thinks that Haleigh is okay. They’ve found no evidence to suggest otherwise. They found a footprint that they seem to think may have been hers, which would suggest she was with someone she trusted or at least knew, as it appears she was walking with this person.
I was in a store once and a small child bumped into me. Her mother cussed her out for it. But I told the mom it was OK and that I believed it had been my fault. I told the little girl I was sorry I bumped her, and asked her if she was alright. She stared at me and didn’t answer, but when they got to the end of the aisle she turned and looked at me again, and smiled.
m2c,
Glad you’ve joined us. I agree about cats and dogs…I often say they are gifts from heaven to earth. I’ve got one on my back as I type! Some idiots moved out of an apartment and left him behind, and he was outside the apartment every night howling up at it. So sad.
I too hope BA Cent sees the right docs and is on the road to recovery very soon. And I hope methinks’ abcess has improved overnight!
And I pray that cathartic’s kitty is feeling much better very soon!
I know about the footprint and believe it was hers. It’s just hard to determine when it might have been left.
I sure hope someone doesn’t get blamed that is not guilty. And if Misty is innocent of this, I wish a miracle for her, and soon.
cathartic,
What a sweet story…so glad the little girl understood!
‘Mornin’ m2c !
Morning Cathartic and me!
Hope we hear from our two friends today that they are okay – and that your cat will be all right.
Sorry, I kind of fell off the board last night! And right after asking questions! I suddenly got SO tired.
Thank you all for answering about the charges and trial(s).
I do think there’s a good chance T will do the max. Maybe we should make copies of the parts of the tapes where T is telling his wife to keep the tax money for him even when she says she needs it for food. And we’ll send it to the judge at sentencing time – with our recommendation for a lengthy sentence for the sake of his family!
cathartic,
Re the footprint…yes, very hard to know when it got there…but hopefully LE have determined when/if she was outside barefoot in that area (I’m assuming it was a shoeless print?) in the days or weeks leading up to her disappearance, and whether or not there were other children in the vicinity who might have been outside barefoot. Hopefully they’ve checked the print against her shoe size etc.
And I agree re Misty. I also grew up in a small town, and we had 2 sides of the tracks (so to speak). The kids on the better side were treated so much differently by everyone including the teachers etc. And the kids on the wrong side were far more likely to have LE hassle them and charge them, whereas the kids from the right side, their parents would get a phone call, but nothing more would happen if they did the same thing. I was so lucky to grow up the way I did, but always felt for the kids from the other side of the tracks. I could see even as a youngster how much differently they were treated. I can’t help but think that if Misty’s dad was a doctor or lawyer or someone of stature, she wouldn’t be going through all this. I just wish someone would have helped her…she should have been removed from that home and put in a home where her parents cared enough to ensure she got at least a basic education.
Did you hear Lindsay telling Tommy that their son had been very ill, vomiting etc, and he quickly changed the subject? Sadly, I think Hank & Lisa were those sorts of parents too, where their own wants and needs always came before their children.
This is when I wish a meddlesome lawyer (sort of like KP) would talk to Lindsy and help open her eyes and tell her she needs a divorce NOW! From that sorry POS she’s married to AND the rest of his family (restraining orders all around)! And offer to help her with all the paperwork.
I should add that I also feel sorry for Crystal for the same reasons as I do for Misty, except Crystal is a fair bit older, and has now had a few years to change her life, but has apparently chosen not to. But she also didn’t get proper schooling…Marie took her out of school at grade 9 to home school her, but didn’t home school her. Then she leaves and moves in with a boy at 14, and mommy just lets it happen. My parents would have had the police bringing me home in about 5 minutes flat if I tried that! Not to mention, she and her brother and sister were being raised in a drug house. I’m surprised DCF weren’t checking on them after Marie was charged…hard to believe that a 14 year old could just disappear from a home without even the neighbors noticing and reporting it to authorities.
m2c,
I think Tommy’s sentence will be long enough, and Lindsay will move on without him. Hopefully she picks a guy with better prospects next time around. I feel very sorry for those kids.
I have heard Lindsey try to get through to Tommy on a number of issues and he doesn’t want to hear it. It’s all about him. Money for his bail. Minutes on the phone. Put up his relatives even if it gets her in trouble with her own family. Ugh, he’s just so bossy and controlling!
me, I can only hope you are right (@6:38)
I wish she could get a good job and good day care. It will be hard to find a guy though when she’s already got three(?) children! That scares off some guys.
This is one reason I wish we could teach young girls and women that they DO NOT NEED A MAN! And frequently – as in this case – are better off without one! LOL!
One reason I said above that I wish young women would realize they don’t “need” a man is that L could think T is her only option now or in future. But T is the equivalent of a ship’s anchor. He drags down his own family. And yes, HIS needs come FIRST! So better off without him even if there is no promise of a “replacement.”
Yes, it’s very hard to see what she would see in Tommy. Perplexing.
Yes, re teaching them they don’t need a man. I think many girls also feel they need to have children with every man they meet. I just have this bad feeling Crystal will soon be pregnant again to a 3rd man. I’ve also known some women who are only really interested in the children they have with their current boyfriends, and would probably get rid of the earlier ones if they could.
Do we know how old Lindsay is? Do they have 3 kids? How could she not have given him an ultimatum after the school bus stop incident and why did she let the kids drive with him?
I know one young girl who had a child to a guy, then hooked up with another guy, had a child with him, and gave the first child to her mother to look after. And her mother is a recovering drug addict on methadone. Crazy stuff and it really annoys me.
m2c, she might very well believe she can’t do better than him. She may have self-esteem issues. If that’s the case, even if she leaves him, she will likely hook up with another guy that isn’t much better. And that’s sad, because she is intelligent; she completed nursing school, and you can tell by how she talks she’s not a dummy.
Well, several times I’ve only half-seriously suggested that we take up a collection to spay and neuter the Croslins and Sheffield/Griffis’ and Cummings. BUT the money would go straight to the hospital. I suppose as an incentive we could add a few hundred extra for each person that does it.
I am guessing that we will find out soon that Hank sold the car LP gave him, and spent the money on drugs. Any idea what he’ll get on the Dr. shopping charges? Probation?
cathartic @ 6:52 am – That is exactly right.
L needs to have the self-confidence to know that SHE is the better parent, she can raise these kids by herself 100 times better than they could be raised anywhere near their father or his family.
I’m hoping she has some confidence and at least one member of her own family to back her up and that this experience will open her eyes.
Not sure what he will get. Possibly the legal system in that county will start dealing with the Croslins more seriously. I think his hearing is 3/31.
cathartic…I agree re the self esteem issues…there’s gotta be something like that going on with her to be with him. But hopefully with him out of the way, she’ll be able to get a nursing job, meet normal people, and her self esteem would soar!
LOL re the spay and neuter. I do think cash bonus incentives would have some of them lining up for the procedure! It is very sad when young women in unstable relationships have child after child, often in an attempt to keep their deadbeat men. Sadly, there are many Crystal & Lindsays out there. Thank goodness Misty didn’t make that mistake.
His trial, I mean. I think he already had the hearing.
Yep, Hank Jr, Hank Sr & Misty will all be in Putnam County Court on the 31st. Hank must be so proud of himself and the example he set for his children.
I noticed that Lisa’s probation requires her to have drug testing done…if she fails the drug tests, does she get dealt with for breach of probation?
Did anyone hear Lindsay tell Tommy she failed her drug test and came up positive for everything, but they think it’s a mistake? When I have seen her interviewed, she hasn’t seemed impaired. I sure hope she’s not using too.
What I don’t understand is: Will T have one trial before one jury? or one judge? at the same time regarding the gun theft, B&E and drugs in the car? Or are those three charges kept separate from each other somehow? Like 3 different judges or juries – or not at the same time?
The journalists in this case have been awful and have not asked probing questions at all. I would have liked to have seen them asked about the footprint and the trail the canines followed, to find out whether haleigh had walked that path recently, or whether they picked up a fresh footprint and the dogs were following a fresh scent. And soooo many other questions.
I think Lindsey might be working and has to take drug tests for work. If she uses anything, it would show up. However, if her test showed positive for everything, it is likely a mistake. It would be a rare person that would show positive for everything they test for.
me, I never heard that L had a drug test. Why?
For a job or something?
And that’s another thing. It’s probably against the law to discriminate like this but if any potential employer knows that L is married to a doper it could hurt her chances at a job – especially one in nursing for pete’s sake!
If she had a job before I bet they checked their inventory when they heard about her husband!
me @ 7:08am – I think even if hard questions had been asked – and maybe some were at first -remember talking to a lot of people there is like talking to “jello” (isn’t that what TJ said?) And talking to LE is like talking to a brick wall. LE would never have answered- hiding behind “on-going investigation” reasons.
m2c….
My guesses, based on how it works here, but having no idea how it works in Fla…
If it’s judge alone for the B&Es, bus stop offences etc, it might be all dealt with together (one after another) as it is assumed that a Judge will not let his thinking on one case influence his thinking in another case. As they arise out of different circumstances though, if it were to go to a jury, a jury would only look at one of the sets of charges, for example, there’d be a trial for the bus stop stuff, and a separate trial with separate jury for the grand theft of the firearm from the neighbor etc. And then probably a joint trial with Donna, Misty, Ron and Hope for the trafficking offences. Hope’s lawyer might ask for a separate trial on the basis that the others were more involved, and she wouldn’t get a fair trial if tried with them.
Lindsey claimed she could not get hired in Putnam County. Employers cannot discriminate like that legally, but it’s easy for them to get around the law because they don’t have to give a “reason” for not hiring someone.
me # 7:06 am About Lisa. I’m surprised she’s not behind bars because of this latest arrest. But maybe that has to be proven, then her probation would be revoked on the fraudulent check charge AND she’d be sentenced for stealing the purse. In the meantime if she’s caught taking drugs, then yes I would think her probation would be revoked.
I think Donna Brock is going to do some serious time. The fact that she was dealing drugs with a teenager is not going to help her at all. I really don’t like that woman and 44 year olds who are dealing drugs with teenagers ought to get extra time. I feel awful for her children….can’t imagine how hard this is on them.
Judges are allowed to consider whether a person is a convicted felon when handing down sentence in another case. If he is convicted on the B&Es, it could mean more time for him on the trafficking charge if he is convicted on that.
me, thank you for the info about trials. That sounds right.
And cathartic, if Lindsy already knows that her husband is getting in the way of her getting a job, that’s GOOD! I hope it sinks in good and proper! Because she is the only hope those children have and her husband is ruining that.
Have to go for a bit. Will be back later.
Best wishes especially to kitty, BA Cent and Methinks!
Probation is revoked if a person tests positive for drugs. Here, they can’t even drink alcohol while on probation, or be in a bar even if they are not drinking.
Bye, me.
oops. sorry. Bye m2c
m2c,
It seems Lisa got probation for stealing the neighbor’s cheques…this is an excerpt from the court docket for that charge…it seems to require her to undergo and pay for drug testing.
2010-01-14 21 CT I – UTTERING A FORGED INSTRUMENT
2010-01-14 21 CT II – FORGERY
2010-01-14 21 CT III – PETIT THEFT
2010-01-14 21 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE
2010-01-14 21 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE
2010-01-14 21 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 60 DAYS PCJ &/OR $500 FINE
2010-01-14 21 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING –
2010-01-14 21 ADJUDICATION OF GUILT WITHHELD AS TO CT I AND II
2010-01-14 21 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY OF CT III
2010-01-14 21 CT I – 18 MONTHS PROBATION
2010-01-14 21 CT II – 18 MONTHS PROBATION
2010-01-14 21 CT III – 1 DAY PCJ WITH 1 DAY CREDIT
2010-01-14 21 CT II CONCURRENT WITH CT I
2010-01-14 21 $395 COURT COSTS
2010-01-14 21 $50 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPLICATION FEE
2010-01-14 21 $1.00 TO FIRST STEP, INC
2010-01-14 21 $20 TO THE CRIME STOPPERS TRUST FUND
2010-01-14 21 $100 PUBLIC DEFENDER ATTORNEY FEE
2010-01-14 21 $100 COST OF PROSECUTION
2010-01-14 21 COST OF SUPERVISION SET AT $10 PER MONTH
2010-01-14 21 TO UNDERGO AND PAY FOR DRUG TESTING
2010-01-14 21 50 HOURS COMMUNITY SERVICE
2010-01-14 21 RESTITUTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $600 TO PROSPERITY BANK
2010-01-14 21 RESTITUTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $100 TO MJ MARTIN
Oh, did you mean Lindsay, not Lisa re the drug test?
I have no idea why Lindsay was tested…but in one of the phone calls to Tommy she talks about how she was tested, came up positive for amphetamine, opiates, THC etc, and how they thought it was a mistake and were going to test her again. Maybe it’s DCF testing her?
I imagine Tommy and perhaps Hank Sr would have put incredible pressure on Lindsay to steal drugs for them if she worked anywhere that she had access to them. I think she is going to have a very hard job getting work anywhere….she should change back to her maiden name asap.
bye for now m2c.
It’s getting very late here….past my bedtime. I’m thinking you’ll be out the door to the vet shortly cathartic? I sure hope your kitty is feeling better very soon and that he doesn’t have to go through it again…poor little guy.
She could use her maiden name even if she stays married. I would if I were her. Though I think the name on her nursing degree is Croslin.
I think she gets drug tested for work. In nursing it’s pretty common since they have access to so much stuff.
Bye, me, take care. I am out of here in a bit as well.
Maybe if she officially changes her name she could get the name on her degree changed? At least until NG stops following the case, I think it will be a recognizable name.
I so hope today is a better day for you and your kitty cathartic. I’ll check in when I wake up and hopefully hear he’s on the road to recovery! Good nite.
Wow – silence for 90 minutes! Where did everyone go and how is Cathartic’s kitty? Waiting for update. Thanks.
the answer is – Misty knows NOTHING! LE bungled this case big time and are now making a scapegoat of Misty and her posse.
She either came home and haleigh was gone or woke up and haleigh was gone..Get on the ball law enforcement and find haleigh, instead of entrapping small fry with bogus charges.
Hi, JillF!
Just checking in! We’ve got a couple people who are not well and a sick kitty going to the vet this morning so it’s a little slow this morning. Hope you are okay!
I’ll look forward to talking with you and everyone later. And I sure hope everyone including kitty are going to feel better soon.
morning everyone…. just stopped in to see howit’s going.
I just wanna’ say, I too, have a rescue kitty. He only has a hlf of a tail. He’s cool! and I’m happy to say, other than having a very loud mouth when hungry *(which is always) he’s healthy as a horse.I just want to say that your kitties are lucky to have you….if my kitty got sick, I’m not sure I could afford the vet since I can’t even afford a dentist for myself. I think I would be found trying though!
“Two people will be hurt when she talks…”
Haleigh and Junior.
Wow its quiet here today. I missed NG on tuesday does anyone know where to go to watch it on line? jmo
sintx, I think Haleigh and Jr have already been hurt by this… are you hinting that she may implicate ron and/or misty?
sintx, I meant ron or crystal! oops
morning tobias! I don’t know if you can view NG episodes ather site or not, but it’s worth a try. It was finally a good one!
I think thats awesome that you guys love your kitties so much! I was never allowed to have one because my father was allegic! But i was wondering if you guys read about that kitty that was glued to a hwy in Minnesota! It broke my heart! Off topic im sorry!
Praying for Haleigh!
Tanya, OMG! I hadn’t heard about that and Ilive in MN!
Methinks! Im not sure exactly where but i beleive it was off of I90
This is Timothy the Cat and his story has captivated viewers for weeks on our web channel. Sadly Timothy the Cat died from his injuries after he was found glued to a Minnesota highway. Now a reward for information on the crime has climbed to almost $10,000.
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Timothy was found glued to a highway in late December. He was taken in by volunteers with Second Chance Rescue, but sadly he died a few days later. This past Saturday, an anonomous man from Yankton gave $1,000 to be used for reward money. Since then, volunteers say the donations have been rolling in both from South Dakota and Minnesota.
“Putting a 7 month-old kitten glued to a highway when cars are speeding by—that cat had to be terrifed—that bothers me. Timothy was a very friendly cat and very easy to get attached to, so it was sad to watch him go downhill so quickly and hopefully we can find who did it and hold them accountable for it,” said Rosey Quinn of Second Chance.
Off topic and Im sorry for that!
Was wondering has anyone ever heard where marie went on vacation to?
Tanya, That is a very sad story. I just want to say that most Minesotans would never treat an animal in that fashion… It’s sadder to think that ANYONE would. I know it’s off topic. but alsas, I’m glad you shared it with me.
What is wrong with people? Who glues a helpless animal to a busy highway? There was a case not to long ago in Colorado where someone drug a dog behind a vehichle until it died. People were outraged (and rightfully so) and they actually found the people responsible. They had stolen the dog, tied it to their bumper then drove until it couldn’t keep up and died from its injuries. All of my pets come from shelters and I wish I could give ALL of them a home. People are SO cruet. Sorry….also off topic.
Tobias – google Nancy Grace….you can actually read the transcripts from the show as well as watch some of the videos. I generally just read the transcripts so I don’t have to hear her voice and watch her roll her eyes and make snarly faces at the guests! I also don’t have to hear her say “secretly recorded video of Misty Croslin” as there is NOTHING secret about them or about them being recorded and she says that a bazillion times during her show. NANCY – EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE BEING RECORDED…THUS, THEY ARE NOT SECRET OR SECRETLY RECORDED! KEEP UP!
*cruel…not cruet
JB OMG that is awful!
In audio 1 Misty tells Chelsea its gonna hurt 2 people we care about one we care alot about the other we sorta kinda care about. Chelsea asks if it Ron she doesnt care and Misty says no real quick. Misty tells her if she uses her head she will know.
Audio 3 Hank says I think I know who your saying but I dont believe it and Misty says Dad I am telling ya… Hank sounds like he is getting mad at her cause Lisa talks most of the time after this audio.
I have a feeling its gonna be Tommy who she is gonna roll on. She better have some kind of evidence or it wont do any good.jmo
tobias said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Wow its quiet here today. I missed NG on tuesday does anyone know where to go to watch it on line? jmo
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someone from websleuths puts them on youtube. I believe it’s Sierra1947
Tanya…I know…the things people do to animals. Everyday I read stories about things people do…they put puppies and kitties in ovens and turn them on, they set them on fire, they beat them with shovels, they starve them, they neglect them and it just kills my soul. My neighbor had two horses….a mother and daughter….he never kept the pasture cleaned up and never provided vet care, hoof care, etc. I’ve treated these horses like my own for nearly 12 years. Two weeks ago I notice the mother was acting strangely across the other side of the pasture. By the time I go there I found her hoof and leg was stuck in old barb wire still attached to the pole. She had broken her leg trying to get free. Her daughter was running in circles crying…it was hideous. I ran up to the neighbor’s house to tell them and went back to be with the mother horse to try to keep her calm. Nearly an hour later the guy shows up, tells me to get back and he puts a bullet through her head and drops her right in front of me. I literally threw up right there. He turned and walked back to the house. Left her there until the weekend and dug a hole with his backhoe and dumped her in. The hole wasn’t quite big enough so he broke her legs with the backhoe so she would fit. I have been absolutely traumatized by the way he handled the whole thing. I’d like to put a bullet through his head!
Sorry…WAY off topic. My apologies. Just have a huge soft spot for animals and the discussion of kitties got me going.
tobias said,
in March 10th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
I believe when Ron took the kids and didnt return them he knew he would look better in court. He made sure he had a job before he did it. He went and filed before Crystal even knew he was not going to return them. He gave a false address for Crystal on the papers so she would not get them. But Crystal got a lawyer and reapplied and thats how it ended up in court again. When Ron talked about it you can still see he was mad about it still. He says she went and wa wa ed to the judge. I believe
he did it because 1. he wanted his kids 2. he didnt want to pay support to Crystal 3. His parents encouraged him to 4 He was mad at Crystal. This is just my opinion on the custody. I dont think Crystal fought because she was not really capable enough to care for them with out help and I dont think her family was there for her then. jmo
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it’s not Ron’s job to get Crystal’s address right. She was living in Jacksonville with Michael Word and they lived in several different places. he has a rap sheet in several counties. I would have not returned my kids either. if you look at the court records you can see Michael was subpoenaed
JB, Aren’t there laws about stuff like that?Man…that makes my blood boil!
JB! OMG Again how awful! I know i hear stories all the time about elderly, children and pets being abused and it breaks my heart! I cant beleive that! I would be trying to get her daughter outta his hands and fast!
Tobias / Vaquera – let’s face it…NEITHER of these “parents” should have been entrusted with a gerbil, much less children. They BOTH have major issues with drugs and their lifestyles which includes domestic violence, instability, drug use and sales, as well as criminal activity are not suitable for children. To me it is not so much what they’ve done SINCE Haleigh went missing but what they were doing before and they BOTH get failing marks from me.
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\I agree with Me’s views on this case. IMO, I feel the Sheffields, MG and CS acted very strangely in their first appearances. I saw no tears from Crystal – just some horrible whiny noises. Actually, Crystal must have failed Acting 101. Neither of these women seemed concerned and IMO, that side of the family is no better, even today, than the other sides, Cummings and Croslins. MG could have been the mastermind of the abduction as there was a real motive ($11,000 and Crystal possibly in jail).
methinks….I live outside city limits. I called the sherrif’s office and they said the horse was in pain and he put it out of its misery…case closed. I told them that the other horse would end up the same way if something wasn’t done and I got the “we’ll look into it”. I’m livid but don’t know what else to do!
please peeps FGS no more terrible animal stories, I can’t take it, I have pets that I absolutely love, the horse story was just too awful.
Jennalu – I’m truly hopeful that ME’s theory is spot on because that would mean Haleigh is alive somewhere….but my gut says otherwise. I hope my gut is wrong!
Sorry Drama…I know…I cry every night when I get home and look out in the pasture and recall that horrid day. But I won’t talk about it anymore…I know it is truly disturbing. All of these animal stories are just horrible.
I just finished listening to Misty’s tapes. The things that stuck out to me are:
1) Lisa Croslin speaks of Haleigh in the past tense. “She knew you loved her”
2) The two people that it’s going to hurt — my guess Tommy & Joe.
3) Misty never uses the words THANK YOU! She asks so many people to do things for her but never says please or thank you but they continue to put up with her.
After listening to these I strongly feel Misty knows what happened to Haleigh.
Drama Queen i am sorry and i to agree im in tears already!
are we supposed to be getting some more tapes soon?
Romewi – I think Misty knows too. In the first tapes she said she knows nothing….in the most recent tapes she says she does know….she failed the LDT’s when she was saying she didn’t know which tells me she does know….I just don’t know if the story she is telling her attorney and her family is the truth. She may KNOW the truth…but she may not be TELLING the truth because she is protecting someone and my guess would be Ron. She’s already proven she will throw Tommy under the bus…but she’ll protect Ron to the death.
It would mean HaLeigh was alive if MG or JS had something to do with this, and that gives people hope, I think.
My problem with that theory is, if LE thinks this to be a possibility, then why release a statement not long ago that they believe HaLeigh met with foul play? Foul play to me means something really bad happened.
The only way anyone will know if she is telling the truth is if she takes another ldt. I think it’s going to be a long time before we know the truth. I also think she will protect Ron and throw Tommy under the bus.
Romewi – I think it was on NG that LP said LE believes part of what Misty is telling them now and part of it they don’t believe. Of course, who knows if LP’s info is worth anything. But it could mean she IS talking and I would bet that what ever story she is telling there is SOME truth to it. Hopefully it will give LE the info they need to crack the case. I am really curious as to why no tapes of Ron have been released recently. Has he stopped talking or is what he’s saying being withheld by LE?
Hello KeepItReal! How are you?
First of all, just want to say how thrilled I am to have found you all. What a great bunch, really nice people, treat each other really well. I know I came across as a big TH groupie lover in my post— and m2c made me laugh when she called it “advertising”— but I just want to say that I am not. More on that if anyone cares.
Anyhow, more importantly, thanks M2C for issuing those cautions in response to my TH post. I completely agree, tread lightly around that guy. I haven’t seen anything that he has done to someone like me, someone who really doesn’t matter, but you never know…
And he did talk to me like I just fell off the turnip truck, but oh well. It was worth it since it was driving me nuts not to have at least one coherent theory that more or less pulled everthying together for me.
Mabye I should change my moniker to TTT, “Turnip Truck Tragedy.” Or T3? Lots more fun than Kate.
HEY, JB!
Didn’t post yesterday as I had an ongoing migraine from listening to the tapes, lol.
I was following all the posts, tho, and as usual, enjoyed your humor!
Hello Kate and welcome. Most of us tend to want to be provided the facts and then let us come up with our own theories. We don’t want someone shoving their personal theory down our throats or giving any appearance of twisting the facts to suit their own needs. Here at BNN we are given just the facts. If something is stated as opinion, it is stated as such. If it is information that has not yet been confirmed we either don’t get the info or it is issued with a warning and disclaimer that it is unconfirmed. Simon and Jan give us the facts as they know them and a place to discuss those facts and yes, sometimes squabble about our own personal theories. But a better bunch of folks you’ll never find then right here. So welcome!
KeepItReal said,in March 11th, 2010 at 12:34 pm It would mean HaLeigh was alive if MG or JS had something to do with this, and that gives people hope, I think.
My problem with that theory is, if LE thinks this to be a possibility, then why release a statement not long ago that they believe HaLeigh met with foul play? Foul play to me means something really bad happened.
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I never remember LE saying that Haleigh met with foul play. Can you help direct me where I can find that????
KIR – missed ya yesterday! I hope you are feeling better….perhaps you should lay off the tapes for awhile! The human mind and body weren’t created to endur listening to the unending whining, complaining and cussing of the Croslin clan for extended periods of time. Those tapes should come with a warning label that states prolonged listening and viewing of these tapes could result in a strong desire to gouge your eyes out, stab your ears with pencils and bang your head on hard surfaces! LOL
Hi, Kate! I’m glad that you’re back and understand our feelings about this.
Pretty early on in the case some of us had come up with the theory that the bio-mom’s side may have had something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. For me it was just a matter of looking at motives and possibilities.
There were practically no facts to go with it and gosh knows MG and KP were doing their darnedest to protect C and attack R so a lot of info about the bio-mom’s side did not come out until much much later. But we didn’t need TH for that, you see. We have our own minds, imaginations, abilities to speculate and have come up with a variety of theories including that one.
And as most folks here know I have about seven theories because so far I don’t see enough evidence to rule out any of them or (for me) to be convinced of one over another.
There are a lot of pros and cons about most theories I think and it’s really interesting to discuss them with everybody here and get different ideas and points of view. And like JB said, here you’ll get good info from TJ and Simon and others.
And LOTS of ideas and perspectives from us bloggers. LOL! So I hope you’ll join us.
Denise, let me know if the link I just posted for you shows up. Sometimes they get stuck in moderation.
welcome kate!
The press release was issued Feb. 9, 2010 and here is a portion of it where it mentions foul play in case the link didn’t show.
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PCSO: Haleigh Cummings StatementPosted on February 9th, 2010 by Jan Barrett in Society and Culture, crimeRead 2,308 times.We just received this from TJ Hart – Jan Barrett
Staff Reports
Media Release
February 9, 2010
As many of you know, February 10, 2010 marks the one year anniversary of Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance from her home in Satsuma, Florida. Sheriff Hardy understands the public’s interest in this investigation, and everyone’s desire for the return of Haleigh to her family. Sheriff’ Hardy has asked that the following information be released to the public in an effort to provide insight into the investigative efforts being taken to bring this case to a logical conclusion.
The disappearance of Haleigh Cummings is still being considered an “active” investigation, and a team of detectives are currently assigned to this case. Investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and investigators from agencies throughout the country have invested thousands of man-hours into this investigation thus far.
Here are some of the facts:
* We have received 5,768 leads, all of which have been followed up on by investigators.
* Approximately 600 of the leads received have come from psychics or individuals claiming to have special abilities. All of these leads have been reviewed by investigators, and leads containing specific information that can be verified have been followed up on.
* The majority of the leads received are suggestions or opinions from citizens stating who they believe is responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance, and/or how the investigation should be conducted. These types of leads are reviewed by the investigative team, but many of these require little or no follow up investigation.
* We have conducted formal interviews with 76 different individuals who were identified as having possible information in the Haleigh investigation. DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case.
* 218 separate interviews have been either audio or video recorded by investigators.
* When situations have dictated, investigators have traveled out of state to conduct these interviews.
* We have received 644 reported Haleigh sightings from various cities and locations throughout the United States. Investigators have either personally determined that these were false sightings, or asked for assistance from local law enforcement agencies where the alleged sightings took place to follow up on the information. To date, none of the reported sightings have been determined to be credible.
* FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (i.e. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.
* We have searched thousands of acres, including all property south of Highway 17 near the Cummings residence.
* We have had numerous underwater recovery and search teams search all of the water near the area of the disappearance.
* Aviation assets have conducted several airborne searches.
* K9 assets have searched the area on several occasions.
* Volunteer civilian searchers on foot and horseback searched the wooded areas near the residence.
As previously released, it is very unlikely that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings.
I hope when we get the Ron audios (if we ever get them) that he says more about the Mexican theory. Or if he has any theory at all. Seems he would have something to say after all this time besides his boxers.jmo
I apologize for the long post. I tried to copy/paste just the part about foul play but I goofed! Sorry.
Hey m2c!!!!
JB said,in March 11th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
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I’m SO glad you’re here to make things “better” on these bad days, lol! Keep up the comic relief for us!
m2c: Oh how I wish I’d found you all rather than having to endure TH’s bad color schemes, ominous music and power point slides. On the other hand, he has talked to some people that we don’t otherwise hear from and that is why I do think his site is worthwhile. It would be so much better if he would do like Simon and Jan do— a big thank you to you two!!!— and just provide the information. No matter. I found you all and it is great!!!
That said, I haven’t closed off other possibilities, either. I was just releived that the buzzing in my brain stopped when TH wrote, “The motivation was simply child support. CS owed about $11,000. As for who actually lifted her from the bed, I don’t know for sure but the name Sarah Sheffield is mentioned a lot.”
FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (i.e. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.
This part leads me to believe they have finger prints and DNA that are not from any of the players or on a registary anywhere. So the person was never fingerprinted for an arrest anywhere or had DNA taken anytime(SO known are DNA registared). jmo
Oh, and TH also wrote that CS was headed for jail because of the child support. But you all already knew that :).
Dumb queston: who is TH???? I know its dumb but I have alot of short term memory loss!
tobias, or maybe they have no other fingerprints besides “the usual suspects,” which means it wasn’t an outsider. But really, wouldn’t someone at least have enough sense to wear gloves? How hard is that concept? Or am I the dummie for not recognizing that somehow that can’t protect you from leaving fingerprints?
methinks: TH = Timothy Holmseth, not a dumb question at all.
methinks, He is refered to on here as the crayon man. He is a reporter from somewhere in Minnisota that Cobra brought in and regretted doing it when the guy started to record phone conversations and spliced them so they are taken out of context and not what the person was really saying. He is worse that the orange one and Hobbit rolled together. lol jmo
Kate, The same person who could wear gloves would not have turned a light on. Would have neverwould have left it on after they left either. jmo
Thanks guys! sometimes I just can’t remember !!
tobias: So the “mexican theory” is that Ronald owed 25-30K to some Mexican drug dealers, right? Along the same lines of what Barbara Freeman said, about the same amount of money, anyhow. It would be interesting to hear more about that, certainly much better than the boxers, there were brief moments of entertainment (groan). But whether or not it relates to HaLeigh’s disappearance is a stretch for me. Although Ronald would have had a number of motivations for saying it to the UC, I do tend to agree with him. (Help! I’m agreeing with RC. No matter, he’ll just deny the statement.) “Dope boys don’t steal your kids…”
I don’t have any first hand experience with dope boys, not that I know of, anyhow, but what good would stealing a kid do them? I read somewhere that someone said that dealers do things just to make statements, to show who is in charge, and that does make sense.
But if that is the case, why is it so hard for LE to get this figured out and what key does Misty hold?
JB: You are too funny. Lmao about the warning label that should be on these tapes.
tobias: Oh yeah, I heard Cobra call him that, or even “Crayon Boy,” and I nearly fell off my chair laughing. Whoever came up with that one is brilliant hilarious.
The theory to me has merit because you cant open a paper now days without reading about drive bys, drug deals gone wrong and someone or their kid gets shot, Shaniha Davis getting sold into sex trade because her Mom owed money and the list goes on and on. People who deal in drugs could carless who they kill they sell drugs to kids in schools. Its all about money and power to them. just my opinion
tobias: Perfect answer. But if it was the Sheffield/Griffis and they weren’t all that concerned about getting caught… I do like how that explains that.
OK, I am going to go listen to some more tapes and quit running my fingers. One last thing, though, I sure do want to know where MG went on vacation and what she took and why the Cummings family was upset about that info getting leaked.
tobias said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
methinks, He is refered to on here as the crayon man. He is a reporter from somewhere in Minnisota that Cobra brought in and regretted doing it when the guy started to record phone conversations and spliced them so they are taken out of context and not what the person was really saying. He is worse that the orange one and Hobbit rolled together. lol jmo
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how do you know he spliced them?
One quote comes to memory from the UC tapes.
None of them have our names on them. Misty Cummings. jmo
But now I see tobias post and must thank him for the answer. I get it— it could just be a statement, it could be to sell her and pay the debt.
vaquera:
I KNOW he edited a statement to suit him. Not on video or audio but a statement in text – as one example. And the part he left off belied the part he claimed was true in HUGE headlines.
The funny thing was he included the whole statement buried down in the info. So if all you read was the headline you got one idea but if you saw the small print it had exactly the polar opposite meaning.
Kate, I dont think he sold her I think they came and took her. jmo
Kate, a friendly caution to you – there are some people on this board who are vehemently opposed to even mentioning the theory about the bio-mom’s side – even to the extent of mentioning a flaw in the bio-mom or anyone on that side. Sometimes I think if the choice was between the bio-mom’s side did it OR it was an “alien abduction” they’d go for the latter. LOL! So it gets messy in here sometimes.
There are some also that see it in reverse and if its not the bio mother is would be alien abduction. lets be fair here now. I dont agree that Ron or Crystal did anything directely to Haleigh but some one did and that someone is known to one of them or both of them . jmo
Kate said,in March 11th, 2010 at 1:55 pm OK, I am going to go listen to some more tapes and quit running my fingers. One last thing, though, I sure do want to know where MG went on vacation and what she took and why the Cummings family was upset about that info getting leaked.
Has anyone heard anymore on this matter?
Kate – as with any blog, tempers can flare and giving your opinion can bring about unwarranted floggings from other bloggers. This is a GREAT bunch here and for the most part we’re peaceful…but we do get some driveby’s and the occassional war of words. This case is making all of us nuts and we on occassion will defend our views to our dying breath. We’re happy to have you join us….but you might want to invest in a good pair of waders as sometimes it can get REALLY deep in here. 😀 You might also want to invest in an umbrella (you’ll have to ask m2c about that one). A good helmit can often come in handy to protect your noggin from a bloggin’ floggin’….it isn’t always bluebirds and daisies here….but we’re like a family and even family members fight sometimes. And as our newest member any cow patties left in our blog room will be YOUR responsibility. I already shoveled my share (long story). 😆
No and it was never confirmed whether she even went anywhere. We are in the dark on this one. jmo
I guess if we dont get an answer by Sunday maybe someone can call in and ask? jmo
Thanks Tobias!
Got a question for the veterans here..Why DID they call of the search so early after HaLeigh went missing? Is it because they concluded that HaLeigh could not or would not be found? I wonder what they told Tim Miller about why they no longer needed him to search. I just remember the searches were called off early on.
Any ideas?
I never could figure out the big deal about Marie going on vacation and her “taking something with her”. Now, if she went on vacation and took HALEIGH with her, then THAT would be a big deal. Otherwise…not news worthy IMHO.
m2c, thanks so much for the heads up. Strange because, like I can’t think right now who said it most recently, at least it holds the possibility that HaLeigh is alive and even healthy. Most other ideas lead to the unthinkable.
JB— but what if they took a picture from Jr. for HaLeigh? Or a card from TN? That sort of thing would mean something.
KIR – I don’t think we’ll ever know their reasoning for calling off the search. Could be the evidence they found in the house (that they haven’t told us about) caused them to believe there was foul play from the get go and doing ground searches weren’t getting them anywhere. I think they may have believed they crack one of the key people in the case (like Misty) early on…but that hasn’t happened….yet.
Kate – true…I mean, if it has something to do with Haleigh and her whereabouts then it is news. It just seemed to me the stink was all about it even being mentioned that Marie was going on vacation because that was said in confidence or under the impression of confidence. I never could get any further info that this was about where she went or what she took….but that people were angry because it was mentioned here when it was told to TJ or others in confidence. So to me…it is a non-issue….but I’ve been wrong before…many, MANY times! 😆
JB, again more smiles. And good emoticons. Thanks.
JB said,in March 11th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
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I agree, JB.
And like I said the other day, Misty better be able to back up with evidence ANYTHING that she tells LE if hoping for a deal or it’s not gonna flush!
KeepItReal, well, to be redundant here, and to risk a bloggin’ floggin’, if the PCSO actually knew what happened to haLeigh from the begininng, or even before it happened, then they called off the searches because they just wanted the whole thing to go cold. “Stranger abduction, no clues, sorry Ronald.”
JB— Totally agree. Marie’s vacation is of no interest unless she took “items of interest.” Or someone followed her and can observe anything revealing…
Kate said,in March 11th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
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LOL risk a bloggin floggin!
KeepItReal, yes, I get nervous when I hear that Misty is going to talk. I have a lot of sympathy for her but I do worry that she literally, “can’t tell the truth to save her life.”
Kate said,in March 11th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
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So true, kate.
Seems like some of these people would walk a mile to tell a lie rather than stand still and tell the truth!
Kate – and I think if the “thing she took” WAS something FOR Haleigh….they would NEVER have mentioned it to a reporter. That would be pretty stupid to say something like that IMO. I think they just had their undies in a bunch because they THOUGHT what they were saying was hush hush and then it got published….however, I don’t know what is so hush hush about Marie taking a vacation….although I might recommend she visit Sea World…and stand REALLY close to the Killer Whale tank! (Sorry, that wasn’t nice)
Now Kate, don’t be hoggin’ all the noggin bloggin floggin….save some for the rest of us. Somehow my day doesn’t feel complete unless someone rips me a new one for something I’ve said in complete innocense! LOL
Kate…but LE isn’t saying it was a stranger abduction, sorry Ronald….they are saying “foul play, Misty is the key” and from what I’ve seen that is pretty accurate.
I was thinking about why we don’t have any new Ron tapes. Maybe it is because Flagler has better recording equipment than Putnam does.
Kate – good point – I keep forgetting he is in a different facility and they may just not be as quick about reviewing, redacting and releasing their info. But we WERE getting some of Ron in the beginning…but now he has fallen silent….and part of me is REALLY grateful for that because I’ve truly heard enough about his boxers.
JB, I think we got Ron in the beginning because he was in Flagler then. Didn’t he start out at Flagler and get moved to Putnam?
Where are Misty and Tommy now? They’re still in St. John’s right? Hope started out in Putnam and bonded out from there. Donna’s been in St. John’s all along, too? But in General Population?
But JB there wont be anymore Skid jokes and I really enjoyed those. Funny how Misty talked about washing and hanging her underclothes out too. Didnt you catch that? I was waiting for someone because she tells it to Lisa and Lisa reminises about her old jail days.lol jmo
JB, no way I’ll be hoggin’ any noggin’ bloggin’ floggin’. I am not as quick as you and didn’t bring up any SeaWorld proposal!! 🙂 All the noggin’ bloggin’ floggin’ be yours ;).
Kate, Hope is still in Putnam. Rons last phone calls that we heard were from Putnam. Tommy, Donna,and Misty are in St. Johns.
You can bet all conversations are taped to get info by LE and the mail is read too. jmo
Ah Tilly would spit her out anyways. Too sour.lol
JB said,in March 11th, 2010 at 2:47 pm Kate…but LE isn’t saying it was a stranger abduction, sorry Ronald….they are saying “foul play, Misty is the key” and from what I’ve seen that is pretty accurate.
They came to the conclusion that it wasn’t a stranger abduction but how early on was that? I thought the conclusion that it wasn’t a stranger abduction came after the searches were called off.
Tobias – pretty bad when a killer killer whale won’t even eat ya! LOL
Kate, I don’t think we know when LE came to any conclusions because they’ve kept all info to themselves. Until someone is charged with a crime in connection to Haleigh we can’t utilize the sunshine law to get info so now all we do is guess. I have a feeling that something in the house was a red flag for them right off the bat. Was it the beds being made? Was it conflicting stories about laundry, something to do with the door? I don’t know…but SOMETHING got their attention. They have some kind of evidence. We just don’t know what it is.
tobias, Simon posted on February 18 that Hope bonded out, http://www.bloggernews.net/123860. Like it really matters, since she holds no keys.
JB, Hmm, I don’t know where I read it (and I don’t think it was Crayon Boy) but I really thought they’d at least said that they didn’t think it was a stranger abduction and were looking most closely at those close to the family, especially Misty and Ron.
Kate, I don’t think we have any way of knowing exactly when LE decided it was not a stranger abduction or exactly what “evidence” they based that decision on other than their statement about finding no signs of forced entry. I don’t think they’d base that decision on anything to do with searches.
All we do know is when LE decided to tell the public of their decisions.
I have always wondered why they called off the searches so soon. It was just a few days I think – maybe 4. I remember hearing that it was because it was dangerous for searches because there was criminal activity in the area. I immediately thought – oh, no, LE knows there are meth houses out there and are afraid someone’s going to walk into trouble. But actually I have no idea.
Kate, I remember LE saying that they did not think it was a stranger abduction.
I do not think that decision had anything to do with searches necessarily. Unless they had decided not to spend another penny on searches because M could tell them everything they needed to know if they sat around and waited long enough – or locked her up when she got to be 18.
Kate, sorry, I missed the other part of your comment. LE did not say they were looking at family or R or M.
LE ONLY said that they believed it was not a stranger abduction AND that M had been inconsistent in her statements. The public assumed the rest.
I still think something they found in the house told them this was not a stranger abduction. It could have been a combination of something they found and Misty’s stories not adding up and changing that made them really focus in on the inner circle rather than looking at a stranger abduction scenario. But we really don’t know. Until there are charges brought against someone we aren’t going to know what LE has or doesn’t have…unfortunately. That has been the biggest frustration for me. I started blogging (well, more like became a firefly) with the Caylee case and because we had SO much info on that case from the get go, it has been REALLY frustrating for us to have NOTHING to go on with this case.
m2c, Really good question, why they called off the searches so early. I wish some real journalists were investigating the situation instead of just harrassing “the players.” It’s sad.
“As previously released, it is very unlikely that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings.”
This is all we have to go on. To me this says they found something and coupled with Misty not being able to keep her story straight caused LE to focus on the family and their associates rather than a stranger abduction.
JB – That’s true. But “someone known to M and/or R” is a WIDE net to cast!
Well, I gotta’ go. I hope that all the kitties are well and just want to say that it has been pure pleasure hangin’ with ya’ll. At least for me, for today, it has been sunshine and daisies, JB!
Kate aka T3
Kate: TJ Hart is a REAL journalist and he’s been working this case pretty much since the beginning. He’s found that trying to get info from LE is like talking to a brick wall and interviewing EVERYONE else in that whole area is like “talking to jello” as I believe he puts it.
m2c – that is very true – could still be a family member, could be Crystal’s family, could be one of the druggies they ran with…..but SOMETHING caused them to look closer to home rather than looking at a stranger abduction. It could be they have tunnel vision and made an incorrect assumption or they just might have a good piece of evidence that TELLS them without a doubt it was someone known to Ron and Misty. Haven’t a clue what that might be….but I do feel they have something…just wish they’d share it with us! LOL
Kate – take care and we’ll hopefully see you soon! Don’t get too used to sunshine and daisies Kate…the poop will hit the fan eventually…it always does….just helps to be prepared, learn to bob and weave and run for cover when necessary! 😀
m2c – I don’t envy TJ. I don’t know how he does it. I would have lost my cool with all the “jello” by now! It seems like everyone involved has something to hide so NONE of them are talking to save their own behinds and to heck with this missing child. Selfish bunch!
JB @ 3:34 – At least LE THINKS they have something! If it’s just the no forced entry thing, then I’d really question their judgment. Even if it’s that PLUS they think M left the MH I’d have to question their judgment.
What else it could be I don’t know. I could only guess and gosh knows there are many guesses to choose from and I can’t think of any new ones that haven’t been mentioned already.
Kate said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
m2c, Really good question, why they called off the searches so early. I wish some real journalists were investigating the situation instead of just harrassing “the players.” It’s sad
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PCSO told the families not to search right after the fake search in San Mateo.
Good point, Vaquera.
I also remember when LE first called off the searches I believe the phrase they used was “going to scale back” the searches. That’s when Texas EquuSearch left and I never heard if anyone in LE continued to search. That was about 4 – 5 days after Haleigh disappeared.
The way they “scaled back” almost immediately is what is making me think they found something or have something that is pointing them in the right direction….but not enough to press charges. I’m HOPING that is the case and they just haven’t wasted the last year barking up the wrong tree. That is still a definite possibility but I want so badly for them to be on the right track and for Haleigh to be found so I’m hanging onto any shred of info that LE releases.
Vaquera – what was the “fake search”? The one that they led Cobra on or something different?
Has anyone seen the picture of Misty and one of the Equisearch horses? She is all smiles.
How does that happen when you are looking for a child you say you loved? jmo
Somebody please help me remember to let Kate know that Hope did not bond out. I think it was a mix-up because the records showed she left the jail she was in to go to court.
Tobias – I don’t want to see that picture! I already want to smack the honeybuns right out of Misty’s mouth!
m2C…I’ll try to help you remember. It is very confusing how they log them out of jail for court…it makes it look like they’ve been released.
And Tobias…the answer is…IT DOESN’T. Nothing about the actions of the parties involved makes any sense. None of them have done or do what we would perceive as being a “normal” action in this case. That’s what makes them all look guilty of something and makes figuring this mess out that much more difficult.
Vaquera…you still here? Was the “fake search” the one they led Cobra on or are you talking about something else? TIA
From what I gather from people who have been to Florida and researching the time of year was when all the spiders, snakes and gators reemerge and they arent the regular spiders and snakes they are poisonous ones. And the gators are really actively feeding and agressive because they are mating. jmo
From one video from a local who owns a lot of land around there he said there are mud pits you can sink in up to your kneesand roots you can get tangled up in all over. I think LE was concerned about the average person getting hurt searching or worse, getting lost.jmo
tobias, that could well be true but I don’t remember LE mentioning that at the time.
Tobias…the only thing that got me was LE telling searches to cease and desist because of the criminal activity in the area that could be dangerous….if they KNEW there was criminal activity…why didn’t they clean it up instead of just herding people away from it. They obviously knew there WAS criminal activity and knew WHERE it was so why not do something about it and make it safe? That’s what I never understood! I completely understand about the spikers, snakes and gators….they didn’t need another catastrophe with someone dying or getting injured during the search.
So does anyone know what “fake search” Vaquera was talking about? Was that the one they lead Cobra on or something different? And what determined it to be “fake”?
The thing about it is it seems like LE was out (supposedly) searching and TM arrived a day or two after Haleigh went missing and everyone was out gung-ho searching and suddenly after a grand total of about 4 days LE says they’re going to “scale back” the searches. That doesn’t sound to me like they suddenly realized what time of year it was or all of a sudden found out there were mud pits. And as far as I know LE didn’t state that either. It’s just weird. one more thing LE has done without really telling us why.
JB @ 4:28 – I amso glad you remember that too. I thought I was the only one who remembered that LE blamed it on “criminal activity in the area.” I thought exactly the same thing you did. Still do.
I can’t explain the fake search to you, JB, as well as others can. I actually can’t explain the “why” at all! LOL! Someone else can probably relay the details better than I can.
m2c – I guess that is why I keep thinking they found something (their actions coupled with the statement of foul play and someone associated with Ron and/or Misty). I don’t know what else to think. SURELY they’ve got something that is pointing them in a certain direction. I can’t stand to think they are still COMPLETELY clueless at this point. Poor Haleigh…WHERE IS SHE?
JB i beleive the fake search they are refering about it the search that was on the sheffeilds property? IMO
m2c – I remember someone leading Cobra on some wild search in a backwoods area and Cobra saying it was a waste and was lead on a wild goose chase (perhaps not in those exact words). I was just curious if that was the “fake search” Vaquera was talking about or was there something else that happened that I was unaware of.
And yes, LE did keep searches for looking for Haleigh due to criminal activity which just blew my mind! SO GO CLEAN UP THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ALREADY! To me that screams “WE AREN’T DOING OUR JOB!”…but that’s JMO.
I think it is really sad that Levi Page claims to be a journalist and if you go on his FB page he is constantly speculating that Haleigh is dead and has no evidence to back it up!!
Tanya…so what made the search on the Sheffield’s property “fake”?
Denise…I guess there are different kinds of journalists….some report the facts…like a news anchor…and some are like Glenn Beck or Nancy Grace who give their opinion. I personally just want to hear the facts but since most major news agencies aren’t covering this case anymore and have moved on to other things…that leaves us getting our info from many sources…some FULL of opinion. That is why I stay RIGHT here! If I want opinion, I’ll get it from my fellow bloggers. 😀
JB
Im not sure really others speculate that it was a fake search IMO i beleive because the sheffields requested it! Im with m2c there are others that can explain it better than i can!
yes thre is alot more about the “fake” search. WE had people falsely saying they were FBI agents and said they found a “bloody” glove and Cobra said he knew it wasnt blood I think he said it looked like tree sap. Then they found keys that belonged to Nay Nay and that is when Johnnny Sheffield (the person that set up the search) said that Misty was driving around all night with Nay Nay the night Haleigh disappeared. When the detective was questioned about the search they did not seem concerned that people were saying that they were an FBI agent and didnt want any “evidence” found at the search in fact they didnt care and didnt want any info about the search…..why wouldnt the detective want to know that someone was pretending to be an FBI agent or want to see the evidence…. this is all weird and I hope that higher up LE would want to know why too.
JB i agree this site it wonderful!
Thanks Denise for going into detail better then i could!
I was leaving messages on Levis Page and he wasnt crazy about me disagreeing with him but I got a friend request and a msg. on FB from Wayanne Kruger if you dont know who this is just tell me and I asked her about Tim Holmseth and if she felt like he was rdible with the info he has sent to the Dept. of Justice and she replied that he is a very smart man and she hopes everyone pays that has done anykind of illegal activity. I knew then she was talking about Kim Picazio/ Jeremiah Regan and the Sheffields. She was right in the midddle of the drama when it was all going down and what was really going on.
I wonder if anyone has informed Misty that in prison she will have to work? Most of the prisons in Florida have prisoners work on produce farms etc. She has never worked a day in her life, wake up Misty and talk already. jmo
Denise…I guess I don’t completely understand what took place….so JS sets up the search…who did the search? LE or someone pretending to be FBI and who was this person or persons pretending to be FBI? And why would an FBI agent say they didn’t want evidence found? And how does JS know Misty was with Nay Nay that night. And did they really find keys? Never heard about the bloody glove/tree sap….How did I miss all of this?
WOW Denise…you have my head spinning! LOL So much information. Can you please explain the fake search in greater detail? Sorry to nag you on this…I just want to know more about this and understand what took place.
Tobias…Oh, I would LOVE to be there the day they hand Misty a bucket, a rake and some gloves and point her out to a field! LOL She thinks she’s “Special” and a “Star”….and famous people don’t pick no fruit! LOL Oh, I can just hear her….”What chu mean I gots to work in a field? I ain’t @$*%^$ no @*%&#^ fruit! You can go @*$&% yourself and your @(%#& fruit! I EATS fruit but I ain’t PICKIN’ no @%*^&# fruit! I IS SPECIAL!”
JB, She has no idea. Listen to complain about her back hurting because of her bed. She thinks its going to be like county jail only she can go outside and smoke and have visits with family on Sat. and Sun. Someone needs to inform her real quick and then maybe she will talk. jmo
Tobias….oh, watch, she’ll claim she is in danger working in the fields with COMMON criminals….she needs to stay in isolation in her secluded cell so she can have front row seats for the movies and fill our her orders for honeybuns and chips…and BY GOLLY they better put that money back in her account for the socks they shorted her! 🙄
Did Denise leave? Dang, I’m never going to get the details on the “fake search”. I have SO many questions! LOL Denise, come baacckkkkk!
I suggest they play some prison movies tonight.lol see ya all later gotto go fix supper. JB keep up the good work lol
BYE TOBIAS – Have a good evening! Just don’t tell us what you had for dinner…we’ve heard ENOUGH about what everyone is eating and who is eating better and who found a chicken nugget in a car seat and who ordered what snack….UGH!
Thank You M2C, and you ALL for the well wishes and prayers, they are very much needed and appreciated. Illness is more than I thought, but hope to be on the mends… asap! Will check in later… Bye
B*A – Sending hugs your way! GET WELL SOON! WE MISS YOU!
Denise: When Levi Page looked up the definition of “investigative journalist” he ended up on the page describing “gossip columnist.” I mean you can’t claim to be Walter Cronkite when you’re acting like Hedda Hopper. Or in more current terms, you can’t claim to be a major news anchor when you’re acting more like the host of “Celebrity Gossip” – at least not if you expect to have any credibility. I think he’s just mixed up. Or maybe conflicted. I don’t know.
Cent! So glad to see you my eyes are tearing up. I was afraid you might be in the hospital! Although I know you might still be very unwell. HOPE NOT! Prayers and well-wishes until you return. Get some rest!
m2c – you put that much better than I did with my news anchor / Nancy Grace analogy! LOL
If it wasnt for busy bodies like us that will not let this story go and sites like BNN this case would have been a cold case a long time ago. LE has their hands full now. They still have to come up with what happened to Haleigh. Thats why Ron and Misty and the rest are in jail right now. They need to deflect from the real story and this is a way to do so. Dont get me wrong if someone does something illegal they should pay for the crime but LE knew this was one way to get them in jail
Denise – well, it wasn’t a stretch for LE to arrest these people….I mean, they ALL knew they were under the microscope…and yet they call 911 when they get roughed up buying/selling drugs, have road rage incidents (again calling 911), decapitate a rat and put it in a mailbox (Federal offense I might add), have fist fights and take out restraining orders/get arrested, steal checks, break into homes, steal guns, steal a purse, doctor shop and sell/traffic drugs. Frankly, if LE had NOT busted these people I might be a wee bit outraged! I’m STILL outraged that these people keep getting probation for all their criminal behaviors. I for one believe it is about time they do some time for their crimes…but that’s JMO.
And if jail will actually get these people to tell LE where Haleigh is then that is a bonus!
I don’t think LE can win…they let these people get away with criminal activity and people will claim they are getting special treatment…they bust them for their criminal behavior and people claim they are being bullied by LE.
HOSPITAL? B*A? WHAT? Oh B*A, don’t know what is going on but I hope you are doing okay and can return to your blog family soon! Take care and keep us posted! You have me very worried!
Well, about time for me to call it a day. Take care all! Prayers for Haleigh.
JB said,in March 11th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
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I totally 110% agree with you AGAIN, lol
B*A, hope you feel better soon!
Hey KIR, where have you been hiding?
JB – Don’t worry. I was just afraid that Cent was sick enough to have had to be in the hospital since we didn’t hear from her today.
Just me worrying. Sorry to alarm everyone!
LOL, JB. Just been standing in the shadows again today! A little afraid to come out, you know?
Just been reading..and thinking..that’s dangerous, huh??
Denise: From what I’ve read Wayanne Kruger is as if not more questionable than TCH.
I found this but I need to determine the original source:
“Wayanne Kruger, child advocate arrived from Arizona a week ago to lend her support and expertise to Haleigh Cummings’ family in their quest to bring her home.
Kruger, along with bringing more media exposure, promised new ways to raise money for the reward fund and immediately became the family advocate, but it didn’t last long.
Kim Picazio, an attorney representing the Sheffield family, released the following statement Saturday.
“Wanted to thank Kruger for her emotional support…. but at this time she is not associated, affiliated or working for Picazio or the Sheffield family.”
Kruger’s abrupt departure does raise questions, but Neither Haleigh’s family or attorney Kim Picazio would speak to the matter when we contacted them, only saying they want to keep the focus on finding Haleigh.
CBS47/FOX 30 also spoke with Wayanne Kruger over the telephone about her departure. She says she will be supporting the family from her home in Arizona, but declined to speak on camera, because it would be a violation of her confidentiality agreement.”
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IMO and that of many others’ I’ve read she’s a nut.
Keep It Real: The reading part’s okay. It’s the thinking part that can be dangerous! LOL!
But posting? That’s like being the target at a gun range! (sometimes! Only joking. Only partly joking!)
m2c♥ said,in March 11th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
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Thanks for your post, m2c
That’s what I had heard also but didn’t have a link to support it, so I’m glad you stepped up!
I know what you mean, m2c..EXACTLY, lol!
Good morning/afternoon everyone,
I’ve enjoyed reading all your posts and am resisting the temptation to chime in, but have a stack of work I have to get done this morning.
Sorry for the ot, but just want to say I’m really hoping we will hear from cathartic soon that her kitty is ok! I’ll keep checking back in the hopes of reading some good news from her.
Cent, sorry to hear you are suffering…do hope you are on the improve and back posting with us soon.
Methinks…hope your abcess is improving and hope you are feeling better.
per M2C @ 5:27
Which Gossip Columnist Hedda Hopper or Louella Parsons, that got kicked in the butt by a actor in a restaurant?
m2c♥ said,in March 11th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Kruger’s abrupt departure does raise questions, but Neither Haleigh’s family or attorney Kim Picazio would speak to the matter when we contacted them, only saying they want to keep the focus on finding Haleigh.
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Yeah, I say it was odd for her to abruptly leave too. Doesnt that make you question why??? Because there is a story there and if you look hard enough you will see why she did that. KP almost killed her trying to hide the fact that Crystal was stealing her medication. so much more going on that what we realized in the beginning mths of the investigation. You cant be so closed minded to say someone is looney when you have no evidence that she has done anything to make you think such a thing. I just think we should put all the info out there and then see what is real and whats not. Nothing I have seen has made me think she is looney. She is all over the net. And alot of people stand behind her as a child advocate.
Mc2? Me? Just checking in…Any word from Cathartic? I hope she & Kitty are ok.
cent @ 6:18 – I don’t know. It would be fun to look it up. I’ll see if I can find something.
SO GOOD to see you back!
Hey all 🙂
Kitty is home now. He has a UTI but he will be OK.
Methinks, hope your tooth is not hurting today; I know that pain but mine is dormant for now. Was going to get it fixed next week (had finally saved up enough $$$) but now that’s postponed due to today’s vet bill.
Hi BA…so you are not in hospital, very glad to see that. Got to take care of those respiratory issues early, they go into pneumonia sometimes.
Sorry to see there is no news about Haleigh today. I continue to have renewed hope with each new day, that she will be found.
Glad to see you back, cath, and so very glad your kitty is ok!
cathartic….
So happy to hear your kitty is going to be ok…you must be so relieved!
I too continue to have hope that we will get some good news re Haleigh soon! Have to do some work today, but will check back later, and hope I come back to some more good news.
Yes… if Meds don’t help by Monday.. then I’ll be in there… If I can only really sleep… but my sister is getting on my damn nerves… I bought ear-plugs at the pharmacy today, but she has a super sonic transmitter for a VOICE!!
Questions I have about TN.
Why would a mother support someone like Misty after what had happened? MOST Mothers would not think any woman is good enough for their son, but TN praised Misty and said she was the best GF Ron has ever had and stood by her knowing she slept around, did drugs and left Ron and the children for three days, had her grandchild missing on Misty’s watch and knew Misty told many inconsistent stories and failed polygraphs relating to her missing grandchild. TN, after knowing all of this,gave her son his blessing on marrying Misty.
How did TN arrive at the home so quick with a glossy photo of Haleigh when she was in bed at the time of the call and why the picture when NO one really knew what had happened at that early stage? TN herself even said she thought Haleigh might be under the bed or something, so why the photo, did Ron not have his own photos? Also, the only bed with a frame is the little white one in Haleigh’s room, was Haleigh’s bed moved that night?
Why would she wander the woods for four hours looking for Haleigh after she already told LE when they showed up with search dogs that she did not think she would be found out there?
When did TN move from the Rita rd MH back to Lake county? Was she really working 1 1/2 hours away at the Alachua county SO at the time Haliegh disappeared?
Why do we hear nothing from this woman who at one time spoke in detail of that night for everyone?
Why did they ask Jamie Watts from Watts funeral home to set up an account for funds for their family and to help Ronald because he was out of work just days after Haleigh went missing?
Why does she always look straight ahead at the camera when other people are talking, except for the time when Ron was asked, would you be surprised to learn it was a family member?
Buddy, what is your point? Do you have the answers to your ridiculous questions? Or do you just enjoy beating up on a woman who has lost her granddaughter, grandson, and now her son?
Denise, many people think TH is crazy because KP did such a great job of twisting the facts. He had more truth than she could afford to allow to be out. His crime was caring so much for Haleigh instead of playing her political games. People need to think and research for themselves to find the truth. jmo
JB if you will just google his name TH spelled out with fake search you can read about it.
Buddy, I wondered also about TN and the picture… surely there were adequate photos in Ron’s home! And who is TN’s boyfriend, anyone know details on him? And is that MG’s husband that didn’t look into the camera during a interview with CS, CG, MG… and the dude sitting behind Marie.. avoiding the camera!!!
Buddy, I don’t know all the answers to your questions but I do know that TN was not working at this time. She was unemployed and recovering from a serious surgery at the time Haleigh was kidnapped.
Buddy:
You asked several good questions. I wondered, also, how TN got there that fast. I, also, wonder about that time she took Cobra into the woods, then she dashed off without saying anything. Then she called him from the road. She said she had been in the woods for four hour; not likely in those shoes.
ba cent, if I had received a call my granddaughter was kidnapped and I would have been able to think I would have grabbed a picture thinking they may not want to get one from the house and disturb the crime scene. When she got the call she didn’t know LE had already destroyed the crime scene and taken the bedding where Haleigh was sleeping outside in the wind for the dogs to smell. That stunt still amazes me. Boy scout detectives 101 would have said don’t touch the bed or bedding.
m2c♥ said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
But posting? That’s like being the target at a gun range! (sometimes! Only joking. Only partly joking!)
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lol, true but funny, lol
ba cent, hope you are well soon.
CathyJo, where are you?? haven’t seen you in a couple of days.
Treece…. True don’t disturb the scene!!
I had heard TN showed up in her sheriff’s dept. uniform with her badge on. Is this true? If it is true, why would she dress that way when she wasn’t working?
CathyJo:
I miss you. Come back, please!
What happened to CathyJo?
I suspect CathyJo is having computer problems.
Hi, Everyone!
Yes, it sounded like CathyJo was having serious problems with her computer. I hope she can get it fixed and come back soon!
How are you, Treece!
m2c, I am better, went back to dr today, more tests, and on the mend, thanks for asking.
Why did TN need to hire criminal defense attorney Mark NeJame?
Cent:
I thought CathyJo got the sound fixed on her computer. I am concerned about her.
Hi, Treece! I’m SO glad you’re feeling better.
Take care of yourself.
I am so tired tonight I think I’ll turn in so I’ll look forward to seeing you all again soon.
Prayers for Haleigh.
Karon, CathyJo said her computer had a worm in it. She was having to delete files/history and stuff just to be able to stay on line so I think it was a serious computer virus issue (maybe hardware too if it’s an older computer). Anyway the problem was much bigger than just the sound.
But I too hope that she herself is okay.
Buddy, I have never heard that Nejame was TN’s lawyer. Are you thinking of TM – Tim Miller?
Nejame has been representing him and Texas EquuSearch.
Sorry, I was turning in a while ago. Goodnight, all.
M2C:
I think the problem was much bigger than the sound.
Karon, so am I. Yes, she’s been having a heck of a time with her puter, my sound and vid has been garbled, skippy off/on for a few months now. Just need to make time for my computer guy an “ex-NASA employee” to fix mines. Good-Night all, will be back later if I can’t sleep.
M2C:
He was TN’s lawyer. We saw him on NG with her.
Karon Cox, TN was wearing the jacket they wear at the SO when she rushed to Ron’s the morning Haleigh was found missing.. I have not seen that on her jacket since that time.
OOOPS! That Jacket on her…
cent, sweet dreams, hope you rest well.
Cent and M2C:
Have a good night. I hope you get to feeling better.
CNN.com – TranscriptsFeb 12, 2010 … Joining us tonight, special guest Mark Nejame — he is attorney for …. TERESA NEVES: And I`ll tell you right now, I never loved her more …
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/12/ng.01.html – Cached
Orlando Sentinel – The TV Guy Teresa Neves talked to CBS’ “Early Show” this morning with her attorney, Mark NeJame. Neves said she believes that Misty Croslin-Cummings, …
blogs.orlandosentinel.com/…/haleigh-cummings-grandma-tells-cbs-she-believes-girl-is-alive.html – Cached – Similar
Buddy:
The jacket seems strange. Doesn’t it? Was she trying to lend an air of credibility to the scene? I am not sure that she had her jacket on, but that is what I heard.
I don’t know of TN having a lawyer.
I have never heard of TN wearing an Alachua Co jacket, but regardless that would not have given her any power in Putnam county but as far as I know that was just a rumor.
Have you listened to the Tommy tapes yet?
Buddy, that sounds like he is her attorney. I saw one of those interviews and that just never registered.
Treece:
It would have lent an air of ‘I am one of you’. I am not saying that is why she wore it, but I haven’t seen her in it since.
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/020h8AI4XfeY4/340x.jpg
Pic of TN with her SO Jacket on.
I agree Karon Kox, that was my thought too.
Treece:
I don’t know if Mark is still her attorney, or not. I doubt it. He was saying some negative things on NG the other night. It wasn’t about TN, but I didn’t get the feeling he was still still TN’s lawyer.
Karon, I have never seen her in it, that’s why I think it was just a rumor. I guess we can look at some of the first video’s and see if we can find one with the jacket. I don’t know what kind of jacket she would have had, she worked in filing in the records dept. I could be wrong though.
Karon, I seriously hadn’t heard him called her lawyer. I googeled TN lawyer and TN lawyered up and didn’t find anything so I just don’t have any info on that. Sorry.
Treece:
I heard that was what she was wearing, but I am not sure. I wish we knew for sure.
Karon, I will go google for awhile and see if I can find any thing on that. bbl
Treece:
I know Mark was representing her for a fact. I never usnderstood what for. I don’t need to google it.
Karon and Buddy, you are both correct. Nejames was TNs lawyer.
Here is a portion of the article that talks about them being on the Early Show together:
Still, Teresa Neves, Haleigh’s grandmother, said on “The Early Show” Wednesday she doesn’t think Croslin-Cummings had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.
“I hope she did not,” Neves said, referring to the investigation. ” … This will hopefully clear some things up and they’ll know what’s going on.”
Neves’ attorney, Mark NeJame, said on the show that Croslin-Cummings’ story during a five-hour gap between 10:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. is in question.
They were on the Early Show together Aug. 19, 2009
This is on Mark’s web site posted August 17th, 2009.
In addition to Texas EquuSearch, Orlando attorney Mark Nejame is assisting the Cummings in finding Haleigh.
http://www.nejamelaw.com
As far as I know he was just helping the entire Cummings family.
I didn’t find any thing about a jacket or a picture of her in one, so I am no help on that issue.
If you google TN and click image the photo of her and Ron in the blue strip shirt is the one you want.
KIR, I agree they were publicly together a number of times. I just thought he was helping the family handle some of the media calls, requests etc for the entire family. I don’t know if it if he was her personal attorney. I don’t think it matters either way. I was just looking for info. about it for Karon.
Thanks Keep It Real. I know Mark was being introduced as her lawyer, and he was sitting there and didn’t correct the statement.
It may have never came down to him acting in an official capacity as her lawyer, but he was being introduced as her lawyer on NG and The Early Show.
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2009/02/12/n...
This might be a jacket with le on it can’t tell for sure. It has a star emblem
Ok I posted 2 links one of NeJame and one of the jacket are they on here?
Just a quick look before I call it a day. M2C, saw where you were trying to remember to tell me that Hope didn’t actually bond out, just confusion when she had a court appearance or whatever. That makes sense. I remember that morning when Misty appeared in court and there were posts about her bonding out and then she was back in. So Hope is there, in Putnam County… for all that is worth. I’m so tickled that you wanted to remember to explain that to me. You choke me up.
Wayanne Kruger was a topic while I was gone. At first I thought she was a flake and then I warmed up to her. Her heart sure is in the right place. And she was actually there with the Sheffield/Griffis clan for a few intense days, at least, so I really value what she has to say. Her experience was real, not virtual :).
This video shows the jacket too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHjTlhGT6_s
Thanks Buddy. I found it. I knew I had seen that picture early on.
Treece:
I doubt that it would be co-incidence that she worked for the sheriff’s department and had a jacket with a big star on it.
Treece: I found the picture googling like Buddy told us to do. The Mark NeJames site came thru, but the picture of TN didn’t.
I will be back in a little while.
I posted the jacket as a photo at 10:33 and on a video at 10:37. It will probably come up later. It may be what you found on google for may be a little different but it is the black jacket with a star.
You are welcome Karon…
KeepItReal said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Karon and Buddy, you are both correct. Nejames was TNs lawyer.
Here is a portion of the article that talks about them being on the Early Show together:
Still, Teresa Neves, Haleigh’s grandmother, said on “The Early Show” Wednesday she doesn’t think Croslin-Cummings had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.
“I hope she did not,” Neves said, referring to the investigation. ” … This will hopefully clear some things up and they’ll know what’s going on.”
Neves’ attorney, Mark NeJame, said on the show that Croslin-Cummings’ story during a five-hour gap between 10:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. is in question.
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He wasn’t Teresa’s personal attorney nor acting as an attorney for Ron. He was in the same capacity as he was with the Anthony’s in the beginning.
She also listed that as her place of imployment on the police report the night Haleigh went missing. It is a 1 1/2 hour drive to the Alachua County Sheriff office from where TN said she lived at that time.
Karon Cox said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
I had heard TN showed up in her sheriff’s dept. uniform with her badge on. Is this true? If it is true, why would she dress that way when she wasn’t working?
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not true. She had a sweater on that was from the ACSO with their insignia on it. Like here people who work in the sheriff’s dept will be seen with windbreakers/sweaters on that have the sheriff’s dept. logo on it.
Karon Cox said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Treece:
I know Mark was representing her for a fact. I never usnderstood what for. I don’t need to google it.
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you’re wrong.
Buddy said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Why did TN need to hire criminal defense attorney Mark NeJame?
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she didn’t hire him or any criminal defense attorney. when he helped the Anthony’s he was not working as a criminal defense attorney.
Vaq. my husband works at credit union and has a cu windbreaker like that. My son works at hospital and has one with hospital emblem on it.
Buddy,
The only person I know in this mess that is associated with PCSO is Johnny Sheffield. Do you know when he was fired/asked to leave PCSO? I’m wondering if he still has some mates there and if that’s why his side of the family wasn’t being closely looked at at the beginning. He showed up in army fatigues, which I found a bit odd.
TN’s jacket means nothing to me. She got there in such a hurry she probably grabbed the closest jacket, and I doubt she’s rich enough to own a lot of coats for each season. Why the fixation on her jacket?
JB said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
m2c – I remember someone leading Cobra on some wild search in a backwoods area and Cobra saying it was a waste and was lead on a wild goose chase (perhaps not in those exact words). I was just curious if that was the “fake search” Vaquera was talking about or was there something else that happened that I was unaware of.
And yes, LE did keep searches for looking for Haleigh due to criminal activity which just blew my mind! SO GO CLEAN UP THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ALREADY! To me that screams “WE AREN’T DOING OUR JOB!”…but that’s JMO.
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no, the fake search was a search by the maternal family. Marie/Bruce, Connie/Johnny, Ruby Kanger, the Regans and a local dog handler, it was in San Mateo the same weekend as the burger cook out at HBC
IMO, Mark Nejame was part of the travelling circus and just another lawyer, like KP, wanting his NG appearances and 15 minutes of fame out of Haleigh’s disappearence. TN was never charged with a crime or suspected of anything….he wasn’t needed, but he obviously offered to help them. I’m guessing he was there for the same reason he got involved in the Anthony circus….likes to see himself on tv….I hope he’s cut back on the make up he wears for those tv appearances…it creeped me out!
treece said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Vaq. my husband works at credit union and has a cu windbreaker like that. My son works at hospital and has one with hospital emblem on it.
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exactly. when I worked for the cable company we could order windbreakers with the company logo on it.
not a big deal, it was cool out that night. maybe the sweater was already in the pickup or she just grabbed it on her way out.
much ado about nothing.
I would be more worried why it took 7 hours for the mother and grandmother to get to Satsuma.
vaquera,
ITA. And I’m very curious as to why LE is talking to Chad again. I think we will see at least one person from that side of the family arrested in the near future.
Buddy said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
She also listed that as her place of imployment on the police report the night Haleigh went missing. It is a 1 1/2 hour drive to the Alachua County Sheriff office from where TN said she lived at that time.
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it’s 61 miles, I don’t think it takes an hr and a half to drive it but, so what if it did. Lots of people all across america commute that far and farther to work.
where are you suggesting that she was living the night Haleigh went missing?
Me, when is Le talking to chad again, I didn’t know it but am sure glad to hear it.
vaquera,
Did you watch the video (i’ve posted the link a few times) where Chad is being taken away by police, and they ask Marie if she is worried…then she proceeds to lie and give him an alibi? I don’t believe for a minute she gave him a false alibi by mistake. She said herself she only lived 500 feet from him, and she would have already been awake by the time he got home.
me said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
vaquera,
ITA. And I’m very curious as to why LE is talking to Chad again. I think we will see at least one person from that side of the family arrested in the near future
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LE is talking to chad again? I must of have missed that. Not like Chad hasn’t hid a kid from their mother before.
That was TN that took Cobra into the woods, she said she had been back there for 4 hours searching, even tough she basically told LE they were wasting their time searching there in the early days.
treece,
I think it was on February 14th, TJ said that he heard that they were speaking to Chad again, and TJ called LE to confirm, and they refused to confirm or deny it. If they weren’t talking to him, I would have thought it would be appropriate to deny it.
me said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
vaquera,
Did you watch the video (i’ve posted the link a few times) where Chad is being taken away by police, and they ask Marie if she is worried…then she proceeds to lie and give him an alibi? I don’t believe for a minute she gave him a false alibi by mistake. She said herself she only lived 500 feet from him, and she would have already been awake by the time he got home.
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yes, thanks. I had never seen that before. Marie was angry when questioned about Chad’s whereabouts that night. Apparently she didn’t know, and only living 500 ft away, that he was out all night. 😀
Buddy,
What people are talking about re the fake search is the one conducted by the Sheffield side of the family…at least one of the searchers reported their activities to LE when she became aware that they had planted evidence…if you google it, PCSO Major Gary Bowling had some interesting things to say about it in an interview in December.
oh yea, me. I forgot about TJ saying that..duh 😀
Me too, duh!
me 3…lol…I was just reading another board and was reminded of it.
I really feel that that side of the family is at the top of the suspect list for LE now. I base this on PCSO Major Bowling’s statements about the fake search, the fact they came out with the statement in January which was quite different to the Misty is the Key stuff (they were talking about not having tunnel vision and made it clear they were looking elsewhere), Chad is being re-investigated etc. I do feel there will be arrests soon….I so hope they have kept Haleigh alive somewhere.
are we all blonde? LOL
Vaq, yes I am blonde and my BP has been up making me loopy so I told my family I am double blonde right now and not responsible. lol
I think PCSO has had lots of tunnel vision and have let one small piece of the puzzle,Misty, stand in their way of finding Haleigh.
Orange county didn’t let Casey stand in their way of investigating.
I find even with one small piece of a puzzle missing you can still look at that puzzle and figure out the picture.
Me the tragic thing is that they weren’t totally investigated at the very start, every single one on both sides of the family and all croslins should have been checked out and accountable to prove good alibis. It was just a mess right up front, not just look at one parent’s side.
vaquera…my thoughts exactly, though you said it better than I could have!
treece…I totally agree. It took them days before they even interviewed Crystal, Marie & Chad. I wonder if they fell for KP’s diversion tactics…all this rubbish about Ron being abusive instead of focusing on finding Haleigh. Unbelievable that they got away with blaming the fact they couldn’t solve the case on a 17 year old for as long as they did/have.
Somehow I think though that they might finally be on the right track…their recent statements about not having tunnel vision made me think they are looking elsewhere, and don’t want the public to be shocked when we find out Misty wasn’t the key after all.
the answer is – Misty knows NOTHING! She and her posse have been entrapped and are being setup to take the fall for Law Enforcement’s ineptitude..LE couldn’t find their arses with both hands and a magnifing glass..
Me, I so wish LE and every family member and player in this case would just make Haleigh the #1 priority. She is the victim here and deserves the best and the most to be done on her behalf.
OJ sometimes you come on here and have such intelligent things to contribute. The next time you come on here like a crude juvenile that needs a spanking. What is your deal?
treece,
LOL re your observations of OJ.
I`d love to know what LE was asking Chad about! Too bad they don`t all live in Putnam County where LE could watch them more closely.
me, too bad they haven’t all been water boarded until they sing like a bird – this could have been over with alot sooner and little Haleigh be back home and the rest of us celebrating.
treece, where would “back home” be for Haleigh?
Buddy ,
Who in Haleigh’s family has had a LD test?
Buddy @ 1:05am – I think you know the answer to that question. It means the Sheffield/Griffis get EVERYTHING they wanted. Doesn’t that make you wonder? Hmmmmmm?
ky mom:
Haleigh’s bio-mom (crystal), bio-dad (Ron), babysitter (Misty) and the babysitter’s strange cousin Joe.
Good morning everyone! I thought I would check on here again to see if there is any news or confessions today-guess not. It is so frusturating as I am sure you all agree. What is more upsetting is that my original thoughts on it being Tommy and Joe that took Haleigh is starting to sway. Now, I am really just looking at all of them as suspects. It is crazy how you can find a reason that would make some sense for any of them to do it and cover it up. I wish this was over already : (
m2c,
Thanks for the info.
So Misty is the only one that failed? How many has Misty taken like 5?
ky mom:
There is no way to be sure about who really failed or passed. We can only go on what LE has “sort of” said. And they don’t have to tell the truth plus “passing” and “failing’ LDTs is pretty meaningless. That’s why they are not allowed to be used as evidence in court.
I don’t know how many LDTs M took from LE. As far as the LDT, voice test and hypnosis that were administered by someone TM hired, I think they are garbage for several reasons including that they were incorrectly and unprofessionally administered. So those tests also mean nothing to me.
It’s not that I think she’s telling the truth or lying. I just can’t give any of those tests any credibility.
Morning, Michelle! I’m with you! And it IS crazy that we can so easily imagine any number of people being responsible and reasons or explanations and ways it could have happened.
We really are exactly where we started. LE may not be but I can’t blindly follow them just because they wear uniforms. I don’t think LE could expect us to.
So we’ll have to keep praying!
I just don’t see how Misty could have sleep through Haleigh getting kidnapped.
I read somewhere that Crystal failed a drug test.
How does she still have custody of Jr.?
Ronald should have been at home taking care of him and not out selling drugs….. I feel sorry for Jr…
ky mom:
It’s happened. That children have been taken right under adults’ noses – asleep and awake. Or maybe M was not there! Lots of possibilities.
And yes at the emergency custody hearing the day after R was arrested, C failed a drug test.
Got temporary custody anyway. PLUS state-paid for rehab (not live-in but go-to counseling).
MG said the state was paying for therapy for the whole family. Don’t know what that means.
I agree no parent should be selling drugs. But in at least one tape I saw it was mentioned that Jr was at a daycare place which is good – he could play with other children there.
I, too, feel sorry for Jr. and Haleigh and Chloe. Unlucky as heck with the parents they got.
vaquera said,in March 11th, 2010 at 11:49 pm it’s 61 miles, I don’t think it takes an hr and a half to drive it but, so what if it did. Lots of people all across america commute that far and farther to work.
where are you suggesting that she was living the night Haleigh went missing
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It is a 1 1/2 hour drive at best with no traffic or accidents.
Get directions from map quest and see for yourself.
Yes, a lot of people commute for jobs but, how many drive that far for a $5.83 an hour job with the price of gas??
m2c♥ said,in March 12th, 2010 at 5:37 am Buddy @ 1:05am – I think you know the answer to that question. It means the Sheffield/Griffis get EVERYTHING they wanted. Doesn’t that make you wonder? Hmmmmmm?
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No, it does not make me wonder, because I know they had nothing to do with the poor choices Ronald made. Ronald would have Jr, and Haleigh if she is ever found, if he did not make those choices, it has NOTHING to do with the Sheffields.
Buddy, what is your point? Now you don’t think she really ever had that job or what?
And if you don’t think people will travel that far to have ANY kind of decent job these days, I don’t know what planet you’re phoning in from. Could you specify please? NASA would probably be interested.
Buddy, both Jr and Haleigh might be around if their MOTHER had actually acted like one occasionally. There is a lot of blame to go around and she definitely needs to shoulder some of it.
Yes, Jr was at day care thank goodness. Misty also said they had to hurry because Ron needed to pick JR up. Poor little guys world was turned upside down again. Sissy is missing, praying she will come home soon, daddy had to go away praying he will be home soon too.
What kind of damage has all this done to the poor baby?
Buddy, I agree that all the children are/were damaged by the fact that their parents were involved with drugs. No question.
But everytime I ask you a question about one of your accusations against someone you sidestep it. Coming back with “poor Jr” etc is not sufficient foundation for your previous accusations.
Tip Toe, Tip Toe…don’t mind me…I’m just going to sneak over to the couch and stay out of everyone’s way…..It’s Friday and I’m too dang happy about that to get a bloggin noggin floggin so early in the morning!
Buddy @ 9:22am There is no way to know, there is insufficient evidence to KNOW that “it has NOTHING to do with the Sheffields.” Same goes frankly for the RSO theory, even the Mexican gang theory (which is lowest on my list).
If you want to use “being around drugs and living with druggies” as the definition of being endangered, then the children were also endangered when with their mother. I don’t want to have to repeat that c endangered her unborn THIRD child or that she again endangered her when driving against Dr’s orders and getting into an accident with her.
Except for the grace of God, Chloe could have died on either occasion. Or anytime in between since we know c was still on drugs and so was her “fiance.” Let’s try to be reasonable and fair and keep our eyes and minds open. At least that’s what I’d like to do. Although, I admit, it’s much easier to pick a target and start throwing stones. That gives much more immediate satisfaction.
I guess I am from the planet that if I had to work a minimum wage job I would look for one closer to home, not drive over an hour and a half one way to get to one. 3 hour travel time -10.00 for gas = 4.83 an hour. I guess I am from the planet that feels my time is worth more than 4.83 an hour.
*removing all stones from the room and replacing with nerf balls….running back to the safety of the couch*
Morning, JB! I “see” you! LOL! But you can be a couch potato as long as you like especially since it IS FRIDAY! Hooray!
Morning m2c….just trying to lighten the mood in the room and if that didn’t work, I was moving FROM the couch and getting BEHIND the couch! 😆
Buddy, I’m sorry but I still do not understand your point about the job. You don’t think she should have taken that job?
Also, lots of people think their time is worth more than $4.83. Some of them are right. But with jobs as scarce as they have been sometimes people don’t have a choice. Or perhaps they DO have a choice and the better job is farther even if it doesn’t pay as much. Or the better job also has benefits.
As I said, I still don’t understand what you are trying to say about the job.
Me, you asked if I thought it suspicious that Crystal would end up with the kids and I answered. I am not step siding a thing. There is NO way Crystal could plot and plan for Ronald’s actions which caused Jr to be given to Crystal and Haleigh if she is ever found. We were not talking about from the beginning of time here, just about Crystal now getting custody.
Hello – I haven’t met any of you but can only go by that you are here because you care…I think we go back and forth and argue about this side or that side because we just can’t comprehend any of this. We are trying to apply logic and reason to chaos. It is hard for me to find sympathy for Crystal because I could never be away from my kids – ever. If I had drug problems and needed to stay away, I would still be involved any way I could. Same goes for Ronald. (Like all of them…) He spends 1/2 the phone calls talking about stupid call logistics. How about – How is Junior? What did he do today? What Valentines did he pick out for school? Has he learned to tie his shoes? Pooping ok (a parent’s constant concern)? How is he doing with the alphabet? You get the picture. That said – my sister has a son and the father is an alcoholic & druggie. He lives across the country and has only met his son 3 times!!! Her son is now 20. He calls about once every 3 months. He will talk non-stop to my sister about his life and recent “bouts with bad luck”. My sister will interrupt and say – your son is fine. It is so sad and completely incomprehensible to me. Oh well – that little tirade will get us no where toward finding Haleigh – I just needed to vent.
OOOPS! that sould be 3.63 an hour. 29.03 a day.
It just does not make sense to spend 11 hours to make 29 dollars.
Buddy, “Hello!” Are you aware of the HUGE campaign MG and KP mounted against R to GET CUSTODY starting very shortly after Haleigh disappeard. That is what fell thru. That could well have been part of the plan. But it backfired. It did not work. If we are to believe KP it’s because she found out that as a lawyer she could not legally say that C was the better parent because of her drug abuse.
So YES it could have been part of the plan and frankly it LOOKS like it because of the timing AND what MG did.
What ended up happening was that R effed up royally and C lucked out royally.
Buddy, how do you know what the job paid? Do you know if there was overtime? Do you know if there were benefits like health coverage included?
And WHY are you making such a big deal of this?
You still have not explained that.
Anybody here right now? I’ve been reading to catch up since I checked out last night. lol, m2C, “NASA would probably be interested…”
I’ve been wondering about Johnny Sheffield and PCSO and saw that others have as well. When I read that he was retired from PCSO I thought about the usual use of the term “retired.” Somebody (sorry I am not crediting you, “somebody,” but I need to be quick right now) wrote that he was fired or asked to leave. Anybody have anything on that?
Kate @ 10:57 – Well I’m always supportive of our space programs since SO many people I know** LIVE OUT THERE! LOL! I visit occasionally myself! 🙂
(** people I know in real life not just on the web)
Kate, I wish I knew more about JS. Interesting that no one’s found more on the web about him but maybe LE’s Human Resources info would be very very private (about why he left LE).
But I have heard he’s in to cockfighting which puts him pretty high up on my chit list.
Good morning everyone.
Was just reading along and had a few thoughts to add in regards to the theory that CS and/or her side of the family may have taken Haleigh.
My thoughts on that are that “if” CS or her family members had taken Haleigh one would think that after everything that has happened with the drug bust, charges and arrests and now with C having custody of Jr. that there would be some type of re-appearance of little Haleigh. That has not happened.
I was also thinking about how CS and KP were attempting, at great lengths it so appears, to get custody of Jr.
How far would you go to try to put your Child in a safe place under the circumstances? Especially after finding out your Daughter is missing and that the ones entrusted to watch her were drugged out on a binge the three days prior to her disappearance etc etc etc….?
The issue as I saw it is that although C had concern for her son’s safety she herself appeared to be in no shape to be doing any suchathing at that time as she had her own level of issues to account for.
At this time I have not a doubt in my mind that DCF would yank Jr. and little Chloe away from C in a hot second if she were unable to follow their specific guidelines and requirements especially after she had allegedly failed a drug test.
This is a high profile case and all of these people are walking a fine line. There is not much any of them can do right now that won’t be and/or hasn’t been reported to the media.
I know what the job pays because it is public record with State and Gov jobs. Yes, there are benefits IF you work a 40 hour week.
BC/BS Health
Employee Only $54.54/month
Employee + 1 Dependent $260.58/month
Supplemental Life Insurance: $0.26 per $1,000 per month, 100% employee paid.
Dental HMO (DHMO): Prepaid type plan
Employee Only $2.62/month
Employee + 1 Dependent $12.10/month
Vision Care Vision Plan: 100% employee paid (payroll deductible)
Employee Only $5.76/month
Employee + 1 Dependent $11.50/month
Flexible Spending: Medical Care and Dependent (Day) Care Reimbursement minimum $240.00/per plan year.
Biweekly pre-tax premiums are deducted from 24 pay periods.
You can get low income BC/BS insurance in Florida with lower deductible, lower co-pay and better prescription coverage than what they have for 98.00 a month.
She is paying 300.00 a month at least in gas.
m2c… Yes Jr. was at a daycare, but he it not safe when he gets picked up and the adults are so high. Driving messed up with children in the car makes me sick to my stomach. Did the workers at the daycare notice this. They do have a right not to release a child if they have any doubts parents are under th influcene of anything.
Also, Lindsey knew Tommy has messed up when he passed out at the bus stop. She is just as guilty. Did he ever get in trouble for that, how can the children not be removed. I guess when something terrible happens is when DCF really get involed. I hope they just don’t wait too late.
I can’t seem to grasp the possibility that Crystal and family could or would be willing to hide Haleigh for life or until they could pull something practical off to bring her back into the world. Even if someone like a friend of the family that Haleigh doesn’t know has her and they bring her back, there would be all kinds of questions and eventually LE would figure out who took her and then the Sheffields or Griffis would go to jail for this. Then, they still wouldn’t get Haleigh. I would like to think they would be smarter than that, but you never know.
*And a question* is Chad getting questioned again recently? I thought I saw that on here?
Tuffstuff, Thats what alot of us were hoping would happen too. That she would show up alone in a Walmart or somewhere, but it didnt happen.
Thats why I dont understand how the hidden theory works, why would she still be hidden now that Crystal has Junior? Ron isnt likely to be getting out in the near future and unless Crystal really screws up she will get custody. jmo
The other thing I wanted to say about the PCSO is how much I hope TH is wrong about them. Before I cracked the other day about this (Misty didn’t crack, but I did :)), I thought that the PCSO was doing a really impressive job with this case. It was frustrating that they wouldn’t say much but it also seemed they had good reasons and were acting with a lot of integrity. (I even posted compliments to them on Art Harris’ website.)
But when TH emailed with such a clear answer (for once), I think I swallowed too much of his theory. What I have wanted to believe, prior to that, is that the PSCO has every intention of implicating the Sheffield/Griffis if, in fact, it is them.
I’ve been hoping that Misty is the key because she was actually an eyewitness. I’m hoping that she hasn’t been talking about who she saw because she knows that the maternal family can be difficult and that Ronald will have a much better relationship with HaLeigh’s maternal family if she just keeps quiet.
So eager to hear what you all think about that idea!
While I’m keeping an open mind to all options, I just don’t see how the Crystal clan could pull this off either. None of them showed THAT much interest in these kids in the first place so I don’t know why they would go to these extreme measures…and there still was no guarantee they would get Jr out of the deal. That only happened because Ron screwed up. As crazy as the Mexican drug thug theory sounds, it fits better with all the of facts better, at least for me, then any other theory. I just don’t see Ron and Misty acting the way they have if Crystal’s side or anyone else for that matter, were to blame for Haleigh’s disappearance. Their actions just don’t jive for me.
It gives me the creeps thinking about their friend and what business he owns that set up the fund for Ronald shortly after Haleigh went missing..
Name: Worth Cremation Service of Florida
Address: ******* NE 6th Terr. , Gainesville, FL 32609
I mean if Ron would have thought for a second that Crystal and her family took Haleigh I think he would have been all over them tearing the farm apart looking for her. And if he thought that Misty had done something to Haleigh I think he would have beat her within an inch of her life. If he thought Cuz Joe or Tommy had something to do with it I think he would have already killed them as well. That’s partly why I think he KNOWS what happened to Haleigh and who took her and that he is somehow at least partly to blame for it (drug debt?). Again, all options are on the table but so far this makes the most sense to me as far as how people have acted during this whole mess.
Michelle,
If that were the case that possibly a friend of the Sheffield family had Haleigh and this well thought out sinister plan was hatched as some suggest may be the case then do you not believe that they would be intelligent enough to make for certain that whomever had her would not be found out?
If I think about how sinister this would have to have been for it to be plotted out for it to actually work I would think Haleigh would be in the company of of a person or people she did not know who might possibly be using a false name or names etc…
If that were the case then Haleigh could be dropped off at a fire station, church, store or anywhere without issue.
If it were that Haleigh were taken by someone that she and or the family knew by name I would think that something, anything would have leaked out by now. Even something like a simple phone call made or a letter mailed out or just speaking to known associates could be a tip off. If it were the case that Haleigh were taken away by someone known and/or close to the family etc… there would have to be some type of contact being made by someone in the family to that person or persons I would think. Also I am not buying that Haleigh was taken but not JR. If it were so imperative that the Children be stolen away from R then why leave Jr. behind in such a situation? Whomever had taken Haleigh had no fear of breaking in, taking the time to “brick” the door, turn the light on and possibly managed to take the time to change Haleigh’s shirt to either something less dirty or one of the shirts that GGma alleges that she brought to the mobile home that evening.
That whole scenario just doesn’t seem likely for me.
I would love for that to be the case because if that were true then Haleigh would most likely be in a safe place. That theory is the one that we all most hope for. I read the arguments (arguments are not fights.) in favor of that scenario but so far it is still the less likely one imvho.
JB, I agree the people in jail now have all acted out of chatacter since the beginning.
I hope LE gets one of them to talk soon. jmo
tobias…that is what keeps messing up my theories! LOL These people just don’t act the way you think they should. Every time I think I have an iron clad theory they pull some stunt that throws my theory out the window. I don’t know if there is just so much criminal activity going on with this bunch (on all sides..Ron’s, Misty’s and Crystals) that none of them can be honest or what…but NONE of them act like you would think they should with a child missing!
You know what really did it for me was when Ron found out about WBG and the media got hold of it too. He still stood by her, with the rep. Ron has that is way out of chatacter, and now after he has been in jail and used the N word its even more out of character. jmo
While I’m keeping an open mind to all options, I just don’t see how the Crystal clan could pull this off either. None of them showed THAT much interest in these kids in the first place so I don’t know why they would go to these extreme measures…and there still was no guarantee they would get Jr out of the deal. That only happened because Ron screwed up. As crazy as the Mexican drug thug theory sounds, it fits better with all the of facts better, at least for me, then any other theory. I just don’t see Ron and Misty acting the way they have if Crystal’s side or anyone else for that matter, were to blame for Haleigh’s disappearance. Their actions just don’t jive for me.
JB, I had a hard time with the Sheffield/Griffis idea as well for a long time. When you say that they didn’t seem that interested in the kids before, I kind of saw it that way, too, especially when you say that non of them showed THAT much interest in the kids before. I can’t stand NG right now but I did like it when she asked Crystal what time HaLeigh got out of school and Crystal had no idea. Anyhow, TH’s answer was that the motivation was the back child support. He claims that Crystal owed over $11,000 and was likely going to jail about it. (And I think I’ve seen that in other credible places as well, in connection with when that woman from Texas paid it off and thought it was less when she first agreed).
My thought is that MG was “trying to get Crystal off the couch” (sorry, but I think that’s funny) in a number of ways. My impression is that MG had it all planned out that Crystal would marry Chad and they would be this happy little family with their five children. (How old are Chase and Morgan, anyhow?) Not that the HaLeigh kidnapping was to create the happy family, but it was to keep Crystal out of jail.
All Crystal had to do to stay out of jail was to make a payment towards what she owed. Some of my riends are still getting late child support payments for their kids( the kids are already college age). This happens all the time and the jail time is like only 30 days in county. jmo
I said,
“Whomever had taken Haleigh had no fear of breaking in,”
As we all know per the reports there was no forced entry into that home and the back door “was always locked as Ron checked it himself” according to Ron. LE has stated as much so I stand corrected.
ky mom said,
in March 12th, 2010 at 8:01 am
m2c,
Thanks for the info.
So Misty is the only one that failed? How many has Misty taken like 5
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who said she failed the 3 LDT that LE gave? LE hasn’t said who passed or failed.
Tuff Stuff, a lot of it never added up. Like the brick, Ron and Misty both said they didnt even know where it came from( there was a stack of them by the shed) how would the Sheffields know that? The door and lock showed no signs of forced entry. How would they know she was asleep in with Misty and on the tot bed? Werent they afraid Misty would wake up or junior? If Misty left how would they know that? And why would they leave Junior alone.
Why would they put Junior through such a tramatic event? It doesnt make sense to me. jmo
Hey all,
I still believe stranger abduction could be the answer. In cases like that sometimes the “stranger” targets a child, gets to know habits/schedules of the family, etc., then watches and waits.
The stranger could have known Ronald worked nights and Misty was his regular babysitter during those nights. The stranger might have known, by watching for a while, that Misty sometimes left the MH during her babysitting shifts, perhaps leaving a door unlocked when she left.
If Haleigh was taken by someone she knew, or taken and then delivered by someone she knew, how would she ever resurface at any point? She was 5 years old and that is old enough to name names of people she knew.
Even if Haleigh was kidnapped for her own welfare by or on behalf of her mother’s family, that would mean Crystal would not be able to visit her, ever. Nor Marie, Johnny, Jr., or anyone Haleigh knew. Because as soon as she resurfaced, she could be questioned and would be able name anyone she knew that she had seen while she was kept in hiding.
The only way this could have been done by the bio-mom or her family would be if they hired someone Haleigh did not know, and then placed Haleigh with someone she did not know, with the plan being for Haleigh to reappear unharmed in a public place fairly soon after being taken. But then the case got so much publicity that Haleigh’s reappearance could not happen as planned.
Either of these scenarios is possible, imo.
I have more to say but I know how long posts are hated so I will continue in another post.
(please forgive typos)
Tobias,
I also recall the different versions of who was sleeping where and how that fact alone bounced all over the place. The final version is that Haleigh was sleeping on the tot bed though….just saying.
Jr was not in day care, he was in pre school. Just thought I’d clear that up.
Buddy, do you even know what Teresa did at ASCO? I seriously doubt they pay their employees a little over 5 an hour and it’s a county job not state.
Tuff Stuff, Also what she was wearing came into question. On the 911 Misty clearly says her pajamas. Then in the incident report it was the pink shirt and tan pants, then it went to the pink shirt and underwear. And in the end the shirt was found in the dirty laundry.
Whew what a mess. jmo
If it were a stranger abduction Cath and if we go by what Misty has stated in the more recently released jail house tapes, then what two people will be hurt over what Misty has to say?
From what information we have been given thus far there is no evidence of a stranger abduction. It makes it hard for us nobodies when LE cannot reveal what evidence they do have but based on what we do know it seems thus far that a stranger abduction is also less likely.
Tuff Stuff, Misty might be naming people as involved that were not. She might do anything to get herself out of jail or get her drug charges reduced. What Misty says will be mostly lies, but maybe with a sprinkling of truth.
I just posted about my thoughts on CS/family being the perps. I will soon post my thoughts on possible Misty/Ronald involvement.
Do any of you remember what TJ said on the last program about one of the mexicans in Crescent city being missing? He says it probably has nothing to do with it but there is a missing person of mexican decent. I will havee to go back and listen more closely to the show . bbl
I finally made it thur all the Tommy tapes. Did anyone caught when the guy locked his keys in his car Tommy was saying how “If he was there he could get the car opened” and he is denining the B & E charges Hhhmmmmm just saying!!!
That’s possible Cath you are right. The thing is though, if Misty points fingers at people then she would have to provide evidence and be able to swear under oath. I for one am holding firmly on to the notion that LE knows what they are doing.
Good rationalization from all….as many theories as we’ve tossed around…we always end up back at the same one or two….I don’t believe stranger abduction and I don’t have a strong feeling that Crystal’s family could have pulled this off. I don’t think Ron or Misty intentionally hurt Haleigh….I don’t want to think Tommy and Cuz Joe could do something to Haleigh….that leaves me with an overdose or the drug thug theory. Again, all options are still on the table…but at the top of my list is the drug thugh, then OD…but that could change at any moment without notice! LOL
Also, On one tape Tommy busted out Jeff Hardy’s son, Josh does more pills then him!!!!!
vaquera said,in March 12th, 2010 at 12:38 pm Jr was not in day care, he was in pre school. Just thought I’d clear that up.
Buddy, do you even know what Teresa did at ASCO? I seriously doubt they pay their employees a little over 5 an hour and it’s a county job not state.
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Oh, some make more than that.. 12.50 for a deputy Sheriff with a bachelors degree.
Deputy Sheriff: High School/GED $33,362 Associate Degree $34,862 Bachelors Degree $36,362
Field Service Technician: $25,000
Criminal Justice Technician I: $21,852
I doubt TN qualified for the top paying jobs though.
I posted above on how the bio-mom might have pulled this off, only because I have not ruled out anyone in either family, and also have not ruled out stranger abduction.
However, I lean more toward Misty and Ronald being involved, either directly or indirectly.
I do not think Ronald did anything directly to Haleigh. I think Misty may or may not have done anything directly.
I believe Misty has not told LE everything about that night. Either she knows what happened, or she was not there when it happened, imo.
We all know that children have been taken from their beds while other family members slept. And in many of those cases, family members were considered suspect, in some to the point of LE not bothering with any other scenario.
That said, I do not know of any case where a child was abducted from the same room where a parent was sleeping. Elizabeth Smart was taken from a room where here little sister slept. Polly Klaas was taken from her room with some of her friends there on a sleep-over. But those friends saw the perp and went immediately to her parents to report what happened.
I will not say it was impossible for Haleigh to have been taken from a bed three feet from a sleeping Misty, but I do not see it is likely. Two kids sleeping in the room, plus an adult, seems to me someone would have been awakened. The only way I see this is the scenario is if the kids were alone. Someone came in and took Haleigh and didn’t have to worry if Jr. woke up or not; he could not ID them and he may have been viewed as too young to describe what he saw accurately.
So, Misty was home and knows what happened, or she was not home when it happened. It is possible what Misty has not been honest about is that she left the kids alone. Also possible is that someone came in, maybe Tommy/Joe or both, and Misty is covering. Or, Haleigh died accidentally and they came to help Misty cover up.
The only problem I have with it being Tommy, Joe, or Misty, is this: Ronald would have found out. T, J, or M do not have a combined IQ anywhere near what it would take to have done the deed without a trace, and then keep quiet. They do alcohol and drugs; one of them would have let something slip, somewhere, to someone. Ronald has connections; he WOULD have found out if any of the three were involved in any way, and he would have acted accordingly.
That said, if it was M, T, or J, or any combination of, it somehow involves Ronald. Indirectly, probably, but it involves him somehow. To rat on them would put him in the limelight also.
That leave me thinking accidental death, likely by ingesting a drug. And the drug was Ron’s, or they told him it was. They staged the scene before he got home and he had no choice but to go along with it.
The reason I suspect Cummings/Croslin more than Sheffield/Griffis, is the behavior of Ron and Misty in the days and weeks after Haleigh went missing. The wedding. Laughing it up at amusement parks. Cavorting all over the place and spending money like it was going out of style. And one more thing, which I find very telling is:
Ronald Cummings would give no information on his personal life. He would always say questions about that were irrelevant and just took the focus off Haleigh.
Think back to Scott Peterson. When asked about his personal life, he said exactly the same thing. It was irrelevant and only took the focus off Laci.
If my child had been kidnapped, my personal life would be an open book. I would not care how many sins it revealed. I would want LE to know anything and everything about me, my acquaintances, my family members, EVERYTHING. And I can tell you right now, if my child had been kidnapped I would not have been cavorting around, laughing and having a good old time. If my child was missing without a trace, I doubt I would ever smile again.
OMG, that is a long one! Sorry, I had no idea it was so long.
I am not trying to “sell” the “bio-mom’s side did it” theory as THE answer. It is just ONE of many theories I have and I like it because it’s about the only one I can think of where Haleigh would be alive and well taken care of. It’s just one theory to keep in mind (along with ones implicating R, M, T, and and SO) – for me – until something PROVES it’s not right.
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Buddy @ 11:39 – Again, I ask, what is your point about the job????? How does your point relate to the case?
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Waitingfor good news at 11:39 am
“m2c… Yes Jr. was at a daycare, but he it not safe when he gets picked up and the adults are so high.” Yes. No question. I mentioned that Jr was at daycare that only because someone had said R should have been home taking care of Jr. I was just pointing out that Jr was not at home. And I agree with you about T and Lindsy. In later statements it’s clear she knew he was hooked on these drugs.
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Michelle @ 11:44 – It IS hard to understand others’ motives. What on earth could they have been thinking? Did they even HAVE a plan for later on? Like the case last year of a little boy kept in a secret room by his mother and grandmother to keep him away from his father!
What did THEY think was going to happen eventually? I sure don’t know. But they hid that boy anyway.
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Kate at 12:18 pm – “.. I just don’t see how the Crystal clan could pull this off either. None of them showed THAT much interest in these kids in the first place so I don’t know why they would go to these extreme measures. . .”
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I believe there was a tremendous amount of resentment against R and ill-will by Marty/Johnny Sheffield and MG because he got custody. I’m not sure C cared that much. But it’s not C that would have thought of this or carried it out. It’s the OLDER generation! Looking for payback, custody, and a way to get C out of a huge and growing debt (among other possible motives)
Nothings has ever led me to think Crystals family could be behind this. Every thought I have points to Misty, Ronald, Tommy, & Joe. The way Misty talks in the tapes it sure sounds like she knows something. I just can’t figure out how they are getting away with this. What is missing?
It’s cool Cath. Your long posts are well thought out and I for one appreciate it.
m2c♥ said,in March 12th, 2010 at 1:22 pm Looking for payback, custody, and a way to get C out of a huge and growing debt (among other possible motives)
How would this have gotten her out of debt? She would still have owed backpay. She could not have known someone was going to pay off her debt.
Romewi,
It is just my thoughts but I believe that blind love, false sense of self entitlement and lack of humility is binding the lies together somehow. It is my thoughts that it is going to take a secure and stealth dose of reality in regards to acknowledging the charges they are each currently facing and the long sentences they may each end up serving in order for the truth to come out.
As I said that is just my thoughts on the situation anyway.
Hello Gang… tried to read and get caught up on the posts. I’m wondering why Hope’s audios have not been released, doesn’t she have the lowest amount of bond? Is no one trying to spring her, not even her mother? I find it fishy, just as I do Katrina’s actions… speeding off!
**But as you know, I’m suspicious of all of them**
Got to go rest… see ya later! Have a great day!
The thing that bothers me about Misty’s two people will be hurt statement is, if it is true and thus relevant to Haleigh, why was it not redacted ?
Romewi said,in March 12th, 2010 at 1:30 pm m2c♥ said,in March 12th, 2010 at 1:22 pm Looking for payback, custody, and a way to get C out of a huge and growing debt (among other possible motives)
How would this have gotten her out of debt? She would still have owed backpay. She could not have known someone was going to pay off her debt.
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I totally agree, she would still owe the debt, so to me it’s a non-issue. Also wanted to state that everyone that thinks she was a shitty mom because she didn’t get Haleigh to her appts needs to remember that during that time period she lived with Ron, and he should have been just as responsible as she was. Also, what others see as laziness in Crystal I am starting to believe is depression. I think she could have been very depressed after the birth of the childen which makes it very hard for someone to get out of bed when it’s severe enough, then top that off with trying to obtain custody and losing and most moms would have suffered severe if not criplling depression . JMO
Just one – I agree that C could have suffered depression. Possibly for year. Unfortunately, she was on the wrong drugs for it.
Someone could have thought it would have stopped the payments. And there are a lot of years to go until the child is too old to have to pay cs for. Also, maybe there was a plan in place to get the debt paid. For example, was the “generous donor” and everyone she knows thoroughly investigated? I doubt it.
Anyway, that’s not enough for me to rule out this possibility. Children have been taken for a lot less in custody situations.
Sorry, my second paragraph above was to respond to Romewi.
BBL folks! Great discussion!
cathartic – good point….maybe LE has already checked out her story and found it all to be lies….no “evidence” to substantiate her false claims and finger pointing…at which point they released the tape.
B*A – I hope you are feeling better! TAKE CARE!
Tuff – I agree….something is holding these people and their stories together. I know why Misty will lie for Ron…that is obvious…but something else…past crimes perhaps…is binding them together and whatever they are hiding has to be much worse than what they are already facing or they would have already squealed. They seem to be covering for each other….or wildly pointing the finger at others with no supporting evidence….like they say when you point your finger at someone, there are three more fingers pointing back at you! I keep coming back to all of Misty’s conflicting stories. Heck, she has even contradicted herself since being behind bars…she doesn’t care about Ron or his new girlfriend to he and Misty were getting back together and he is “THE ONE”….to “I don’t know nothing” and “Have nothing to tell anyone” to “What I have to say will hurt two people”. This girl’s story changes daily. That makes it obvious she is lying. Add that to Ron’s bizarre behavior and obvious gift for manipulation as well as Tommy’s gift for all things criminal and these three are the ones I suspect the most!
It is obvious all three (R,M & T) want out of jail…DESPERATELY….and I truly believe that if they KNEW who did this they would have told LE by now to get out of jail…UNLESS 1) they fear for their safety (i.e. Mexican drug thug theory) or 2) They are responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance and know they will do MUCH more time for the truth than they are facing with the drug charges. And as much as Misty has been hounded for the last year does she expect us to believe that she would suddenly be able to tell the truth about that night? If so, why didn’t she tell it sooner? The only reasons I can think of are provided above….drug thug or guilty of causing/being a part of Haleigh’s disappearance.
JB I total agrees. The thing I can’t figure out is how/why would all three or four be involved and what is it that is keeping someone from talking. Is it possible that something happened when Tommy was visiting that afternoon? Was Ron home during Tommy’s visit?
Sorry…totally agree.
I’m starting to sound like a Croslin. LOL
I know this will sound weird but I have to write it after relistening to the show. TJ says Ron did tell several people including himself the bed was made. Could the blankets and sheets have been washed after she was gone?
Misty washed and dried the sheets and not thinking made the bed with the cleaned sheets.
Then waited for Ron to come home. jmo
Or was Ron setting Misty up? Where was Junior sleeping if the bed was made? I think everyone of them were trying to casually set up the other just to take suspition off themselves. I believe they are all involved to some extent so they cant free themselves by squealing on any of the others. Maybe they all owed money to these people, not just Ron. They know if they stay quiet they stay alive and in Tommys case his kids do too. Timmy may have left for this reason too. jmo
That would mean something happened to her in the bedroom….why wash the sheets??? Where was Jr. through all this?
NEW ARTICLE! BAD NEWS! TJ IS OFF THE CASE – Health Reasons!
At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case.
http://www.pcso.us/2009-8-17-a
just thought I’d post that PCSO said Ron/Crystal are not considered a suspect and more than likely it is non stranger abduction.
I don’t know what Teresa’s job has to do with Haleigh being gone and who cares how far she drove to work, it has no bearing on this case.
Does anyone remember the statement about JR hearing the couch bouncing? Was Misty entertaining and something went bad…but why would Ron be covering for her? This case is so frustrating.
Romewi….one of my early theories was that Misty WAS entertaining, probably partying too…(sex for fix thing)…and Haleigh walked in on them (was supposed to be sleeping) and the guy hurt Haleigh or they drugged her to get her to go back to sleep (thus the overdose). If Haleigh got hurt then perhaps Tommy and Cuz Joe came over to help cover up the crime and dispose of the body. Or if it was an overdose perhaps Misty didn’t realize Haleigh had OD’d until she started to go to bed and then called Tommy to come help her….BUT…neither scenario explains Ron’s behavior…..I thought maybe Misty told him Haleigh got into his pills and OD’d and so that might explain it….and, since all would be at least partially involved they all keep quiet and cover for each other….but even these theories have some issues…..LOL
That is something Crystal said that started out as a man in black,then it morphed into a black man, then the story grew to the couch was bouncing and the person had squeaky shoes.
I was thinking about the “two people who are going to get hurt” and here is a possibility that would explain a lot of things. The two people could well be Nay Nay and/or Amber and/or Sarah Sheffield. Stay with me on this one…
There are a number of ways it could have gone but it could have been them who got HaLeigh to, let’s say, Chad, and Chad was gone until 5 am because he drove her wherever.
They could have taken HaLeigh when she was asleep. But HaLeigh knew them, I would think, so she wouldn’t be afraid if she was awake or if she woke up.
Misty doesn’t want to hurt Nay Nay which is why she’s never said anything and Amber is the one they sort of care about. There was that cat fight between during the “3 day drug binge” and there was that stuff on the internet, MySpace, I think, about how Misty at one point said that she was going to get Amber’s child as well. And Amber still wanted Ronald, I assume…
I have a lot more to say about this but I am going to go ahead and post it. You all will probably be able to talk about a lot of the things I am thinking, anyhow.
One quick question is that I saw somewhere that Amber and Crystal are first cousins. It really doesn’t matter, but I am wondering if anyone knows whether it is true.
More on “maybe it is Nay Nay and Amber and/or Sarah Sheffield” who Misty hurt when she talked…
I always wondered about that episode where Ron and Misty were driving around Amber’s grandmother’s apartment building. I think it was in April or May. The report was that they had Jr., accompanied by some unidentified guy, go up to the grandmother’s apartment and ask for Jordyn.
I’ve thought that they did intend to take Jordyn and that their plan was to “force” someone to “give HaLeigh back.”
Yes, there are details to be ironed out but there could well be a connection there.
I find TN very suspicous, I know many from many she’s used Haleigh’s name to pay her bills for her, right down to her cell phone and many more. They have become disillusioned by her and GGMS and their lie. Also, she seems to have such a tight group of “ladies” as she calls them that will do her bidding for her. When Marie tweeted, her tweets were open as is her FB IIRC, so what is TN and her group doing on the net that is so private that only the 16 sixteen can know about it.
Here is her twitter link, that has all her “ladies” she follows/follwers listed. Odd group as these are the big time conspiracy theorist and have even called in fake tips. How pathetically sad is that?
http://twitter.com/HaLeighsMyHeart
AKA Name WhoWants2Know?
Does anyone that twitters know what happened to TJ? iT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IF HE IS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT? What happened?
JB, Oh no! TJ is off the case? Yesterday I wrote that “there wasn’t a real journalist on the case.” And m2c said that TJ is a real journalist. And I wanted to say, oh, yes, I am so bad for overlooking that. How much we appreciate TJ. Off to read about that.
Hey guys…move to the new article…this one is taking forever to refresh…..see you guys over there!
Buddy,
If Crystal & Marie had been more concerned about finding Haleigh than trashing and telling lies about Ron, he would have kept his job, and wouldn’t have needed to sell drugs to make some cash, and none of this would have happened.
But for some reason, Crystal & Marie were more interested in making Ron look bad than they were in finding Haleigh, or in Jr’s well being. And the reason most likely was money….Crystal & Marie wanted to cash in big time….they had HaleighBug off the ground in weeks, and wanted “donations to support the family” more than they cared about Haleigh & Jr. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
Buddy said,in March 12th, 2010 at 9:54 am I guess I am from the planet that if I had to work a minimum wage job I would look for one closer to home, not drive over an hour and a half one way to get to one. 3 hour travel time -10.00 for gas = 4.83 an hour. I guess I am from the planet that feels my time is worth more than 4.83 an hour.
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Personally I respect someone who would rather travel to a job and earn a living than someone who sits at home, living off the government with the excuse that they would have to drive too far to get to work.
me said,in March 12th, 2010 at 4:06 pm Buddy,
If Crystal & Marie had been more concerned about finding Haleigh than trashing and telling lies about Ron, he would have kept his job, and wouldn’t have needed to sell drugs to make some cash, and none of this would have happened.
But for some reason, Crystal & Marie were more interested in making Ron look bad than they were in finding Haleigh, or in Jr’s well being. And the reason most likely was money….Crystal & Marie wanted to cash in big time….they had HaleighBug off the ground in weeks, and wanted “donations to support the family” more than they cared about Haleigh & Jr. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
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Actually Ron did a good enough job on his own making himslef look bad, and TN and Misty didn’t hurt either LOL. I guess you are overlooking the fact that Ron had an acct set up by Jamie Watts for donations ASAP, for so called “living expenses”, well we already knew he was behind in rent, so wonder what living expenses he needed. Oh, nevermind I forgot he needed his drugs, alcohol and ciggies.
Also, Ron started the trashing with I’m the better parent BS in the first interviews, well we all know what happenend to the kids under his care, one got “stoled” and the other was being picked up from childcare by their drugged out thug dad.
tobias said,in March 12th, 2010 at 11:46 am Thats why I dont understand how the hidden theory works, why would she still be hidden now that Crystal has Junior?
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Ummmm….maybe life insurance….and let’s not forget HaleighBug….kinda hard to ask people to support your family after the child is found. And kinda hard to sell all those tshirts and bracelets Marie’s hawking.
If the Sheffield side did it, it was about money, imo. I wouldn’t expect Haleigh to surface until such time as LE finds her.
Garrido, who was not a clever man, was able to hide Jaycee for almost 2 decades. If he can pull it off, I’m sure Marie could too.
cathartic said,in March 12th, 2010 at 12:46 pm Tuff Stuff, Misty might be naming people as involved that were not. She might do anything to get herself out of jail or get her drug charges reduced. What Misty says will be mostly lies, but maybe with a sprinkling of truth.
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That is what I think re Misty “talking” too.
Hoping your kitty is improving??
tobias and tuff stuff – It’s way to soon to bring Haleigh back if they ever intended to anyway. It would definitely look like a custody kidnapping.
Among the reasons: C only has temporary custody for now. And they don’t know – for sure- what’s going to happen with R. Lots of loose ends.
cathartic said,in March 12th, 2010 at 12:33 pm Hey all,
I still believe stranger abduction could be the answer. In cases like that sometimes the “stranger” targets a child, gets to know habits/schedules of the family, etc., then watches and waits.
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I agree with your thoughts on this too!
And it’s interesting that the closest RSO to where Haleigh lived was Kyle Johns….only 500 feet away….coincidence that he’s related to Marie? Hmmmmm.
Romewi said,in March 12th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
How would this have gotten her out of debt? She would still have owed backpay. She could not have known someone was going to pay off her debt.
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Everybody no doubt knew the As did pretty well financially out of Caylee going missing….and Marie wasted no time setting up Haleighbug. I am sure she broke all records in relation to setting up a foundation for a missing child. Even the As waited many months, Marie had it going within 4-5 weeks.
just one said,in March 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Also wanted to state that everyone that thinks she was a shitty mom because she didn’t get Haleigh to her appts needs to remember that during that time period she lived with Ron, and he should have been just as responsible as she was.
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Actually, that’s not true. You should read the transcripts from the actual hearing…they are quite enlightening.
JB said,in March 12th, 2010 at 2:58 pm NEW ARTICLE! BAD NEWS! TJ IS OFF THE CASE – Health Reasons!
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Oh no. I am so sorry to hear this. Even though I don’t know TJ, I’ve become fond of him through following his coverage of this case. I sure hope he is feeling better soon.
Hugs to you TJ!
me said,in March 12th, 2010 at 5:08 pm just one said,in March 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Also wanted to state that everyone that thinks she was a shitty mom because she didn’t get Haleigh to her appts needs to remember that during that time period she lived with Ron, and he should have been just as responsible as she was.
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Actually, that’s not true. You should read the transcripts from the actual hearing…they are quite enlightening.
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Actually I read all of them, and he was receiving donations thru Watt’s Funeral Home far quicker then Marie. Jus saying
Just for the record, several months ago my 3yr old daughter and I were at the mall shopping in a maternity store and I was naive enough to think she would sit at the toy spot for kids while I looked at clothing right next to her, she wandered out of the store and that little girl can run let me tell u! I ran to security immediatley and when they asked me what she had on, I drew a blank, I had the shirt right but couldn’t recall colors or what pants she had on. I was in such a panic. Luckily they found her in like 5 minutes, thank God. But my point is that I can see how Misty could forget what Haleigh may have been wearing that night. You don’t always remember those things. But she should at least had a good description of what Haleigh looked like and weighed. jmo
JB,
That stinks about TJ, isn’t that where we get most of the news from on this site?
Tuff Stuff,
I agree, I don’t see why they would have tried to pull it off, but anything is possible. If it were me in that situation I wouldn’t even attempt for the possibility of getting my child taken away or myself going to jail. They could have been desperate to get her out of that environment, but why leave the boy? It wouldn’t make sense. So for me, I go back to the Tommy/Joe theory or the drug od, or Ron hurting her. Crystal’s family would have def. been the preferred choice. At least you would know she was safe and not dead. I just don’t know.
me @ 4:53
LOL, me…even in a stranger abduction scenario you have to have Marie involved!
You seem to despise that woman. But, I will say, if she was involved in any way, she will be found out…don’t think the “other side” is not being watched.
cathartic said,in March 12th, 2010 at 6:24 pm me @ 4:53
LOL, me…even in a stranger abduction scenario you have to have Marie involved!
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LOL…just read back and see what you mean! Actually, I do believe it could have been an RSO who was unknown to anyone in the case.
Guess I just get frustrated by the fact that everyone has looked into every possible distant relative of the Cummings and Croslins (some now even want info re TN’s new boyfriend!), yet everyone wants to overlook all the criminal characters on the other side of the family!
just one….a trust was set up through the funeral home, and invoices etc had to be prepared for all expenses. Ron had been working and supporting 2 children with no financial support from Crystal. It is understandable why he would need some money. Plus, he wasn’t selling tshirts and bracelets like Crystal & Marie were. AND Marie & Crystal were asking for money long before they set up Haleighbug. And Crystal hadn’t been working or financially supporting her children. But you probably already know all that.
cathartic,
As for despising Marie…I put her in the same category as Lisa Croslin but worse. Running a drug house with young children in it, not ensuring your children get the free education every child should have, letting her child move out and in with a guy at 14 etc. I can’t respect any mother who does that to her children.
me – MG called Wayanne Kruger – a self-proclaimed “child advocate” in early March to get her to be their spokesperson and WK immediately flew to FL and began raising money. I think she was only there about a week when KP was brought in and promptly kicked WK’s azz out – AFTER requiring her to sign a confidentiality agreement.
So MG was extremely fast to get things going in the $ area and other areas (like protect the bio-mom’s side and attack the other side).
m2c,
Yep, fundraising for the family appeared to be MG’s top priority when Haleigh went missing, and I believe she wanted it all for herself, hence the trashing of Ron.
I’d love to see her computer records for the months leading up to Haleigh’s disappearance. I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out she did some research in relation to fundraising, foundations etc.
I hardly ever blog.I mostly read all these blogs and have since day one.I don’t know either of these families,but perhaps some of you do and maybe thats why you feel as strongly as you do as far as your theories,but at this time I do have a question if it can be answered.If anyone wanted Ron to lose custody of the children’couldn’t that have happened long ago by simply setting him up with selling drugs.That is why he no longer has custody of Junior right now,isn’t it?So why wouldn’t someone have set him up long ago?I believe both sides of the family are responsible for Haliegh missing:in one way or another,it’s not the mom’s sde of the family and it’s not the fathers side of the family,it’both.Neither one is more rightous than the other in my opinion.Ron is in jail and lost custody over selling drugs,he didn’t lose custody because Haleigh is missing.
Regarding Tommy, he said in an earlier tape, “Tell Misty (to tell what she knows and)not to be makin’ up no stories.” I’m pretty sure those are the exact words or close to it. Back then, I thought it was plausible that he was just protesting that he was innocent of the B & E’s. Now, though, he’s saying Misty won’t ever tell if she knows anything about Haleigh–and if she *does* tell anything about Haleigh, it’ll be a “big f***in’ lie.” His continuous insistence in this vein sounds like it could be advance damage control. Forgive me if this is repeated info.
Also, regarding Tommy…
At the end of the tape I mentioned above, he says to Lindsey, “I sent you a serious letter out. Don’t be mad at me, but it’s pretty serious.” Could that be some kind of confession? Just a thought. Any ideas?
ThugC4Christ, I think that letter is going to be one of those, love ya, love ya, love ya, please don’t leave me, promise me you will wait on me, I think I will die without you, selfish, selfish bs to make her feel sorry for him and all these false promises of how it will be when he gets out.
Yes, Ron, through Jamie Watts, was selling
t-shirts and buttons for money. Jamie talked about getting Ron’s approval before he could
Watts’ Funeral Home is also selling Haleigh buttons and t-shirts and will donate all of that money to the Haleigh Fund.
You can purchase a shirt or button from Watts at 720 Highway 17 South in San Mateo.
Buddy, Ron never sold any t shirts or buttons. They were sold directly from Watts and the funds were put in a bank acct. Ron did not have direct access to that acct. He was reimbursed on a few things that were approved expenses. He DID NOT make money from that acct. If you want to follow the money you best look at the other side of the family.
treece said,in March 12th, 2010 at 10:50 pm ThugC4Christ, I think that letter is going to be one of those, love ya, love ya, love ya, please don’t leave me, promise me you will wait on me, I think I will die without you, selfish, selfish bs to make her feel sorry for him and all these false promises of how it will be when he gets out.
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Thanks for the response. That’s a reasonable thought too.
Here is what I think… Misty is covering up for Ron. I think that he married her to show her his “undying love” for her. She is just a kid. She is also madly in love with him. You notice that he has never (since all this happened), had a bad word to say about her. He never even looked at her as a suspect. That is pretty good for a guy that that has verbally and physically abused women. I can not help from thinking that he is remaining loyal to her (even married her), to keep her constantly reminded that he is loyal to her. Why? So she will be just as loyal to him by not snitching on him. I mean really, this is a guy that swore that he would kill some one if they took his child. I find it hard to believe that during this past year, that he did not get her in the back room and do what EVER he had to do to make her talk or remember. This is the last person to see his child alive, and all he can say when questioned by NG about what misty says happened is ” just the same story she told every one else”. Bull crap! Which story? Hey I could be way off track here but in my opinion, he is being way to nice to someone that he, any other time would at least would have threatened her (and that is putting it nicely). Little girls do funny things for love. And grown men do manipulative things to little girls. Maybe Tommy did help with some part of this mess (I think that is why he is afraid to talk), but I think Misty is “protecting her man”, and Tommy is saving his own butt for his involvement (after the crime). I think he got involved in the first place out of “loyalty” to Misty. As far as Ron, I am willing to bet that he is their man!
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