Frankly, I think these tapes have become irrelevant to the Haleigh investigation. They know they are being recorded so no useful information will be said. Misty has become belligerent and the use of the F-bomb by this selfish child is nauseating!

Simon and Jan: Thank you for all your hard work. It is greatly appreciated. As a blogger in the Casey Anthony Case- it is my opinion that there is no significant similarities between the 2 children. One missing – one murdered. IMO Casey is a diabolical sociopath, whereas, Misty is a child trying to survive with a 6th grade education, a learning disability, family unit filled with addiction and safety issues. Misty is a child with NO childhood. I enjoy your blogs- thank you for allowing me to share my opinions.

Misty uses the F word due to lack of vocabulary. If she did not use expletives, she would not be able to carry on a conversation. She more than likely is brain damaged, due to drugs taken by her parents before her own birth but that does not excuse what happened. If she did not want to babysit, she was not obligated to do so and should have left the house before Ron went to work or at least called someone to come stay with the children. Ron is not totally faultless in this case either, he knew what she was when he entrusted his children to her care. Little Haleigh will not be found alive, if the Sheffields had her hidden away, there would certainly be a slip of some information. Things like this come to the surface in some way, too risky on their part. Think of the consequences of this coming into the open. There would be criminal charges to face. Haleigh is gone, I fear since there has been no sightings or information to indicate that she is still alive. Another sad story of a precious child who got in the way. God is watching!

Does anyone know if there will be cameras in the court room with this Berger Judge? Also any sentences she has handed out for drug offenses, links to them. I really don’t like the idea of a cop talking with the Judge prior to hearing a case and already determining the sentence, where I am that would never be allowed. I don’t like this Jason character I think he is evil in his mind and soul, I would fear for my children in his presence, wicked wicked man.

the answer is – Misty knows NOTHING! Shes a scapegoat for LEs ineptitude…shame on them!

KATE: I’ve been saying the same thing in my posts too. I know there long, but maybe read them; its weird,cuz once u start listening to those,it all adds up, but alot of people here have knowledge of Holmseth, and have told me to listen carefully, and info is taken out of context; i guess just like the videos from jail.

KATE: That interview w/crystal and marie has really been a hot topic!! It was ridiculous, I think her response was “I just Know”
You know what else bugs me: Why was Ron the hysterical parent, and Crystal was comforting HIM, isn’t that usually the opposite???

Whhhaaaattt??

Hello…..cruel…world =|

nanna bee,
I agree with everything you wrote on Mar 9 at 7:50.

I don’t get it why all the manipulation. I just read the NG transcripts and her repeated claims there are no drugs in Prison. I know this to be a lie because I use to smuggle drugs into prison myself along side my sister, we were eight and nine years old, I’m now 43. It was when boys in the province were adults at 16 and girls at eighteen, crazy law. My oldest brother was in prison for drug crimes. Every Sunday myself and my sister were loaded up literally wrapped up in more drugs than this whole clan dealt. We would make it through the three gates and into the visit room, in person visits. Each one of us at different times would ask to go to the bathroom and there we would climb up on the back of the toilet lift back the white ceiling board and put the drugs in the ceiling. The guy who moped the floors later picked them up and then took them to my brother who distributed them through the prison. One time I fell and hit my head on the floor the tile was in grout and the lines left a cross in each knee and the middle of my forehead. I was attending Catholic school and I was sure it was a sign from God and that I was going to pay a price for what I was doing. We couldn’t go to the cops because there was a cop involved who had been blacked mailed over being taped demanding drug money. He went on to be a coach of a hockey team, Juniors and later a scout. Were just one of thousands of stories like that so I do not understand why all the manipulating and that is why I don’t like cops like Jason they don’t give a damn who they hurt to get what they want!!!

Thank you me.
m2c thank you as well.
I will be stopping by the articles to keep updated and when I get back in to town I will be ready for that discussion to continue.
Had to make a trip to Florida LOL
Sitting on the beach this morning in Panama City Beach with my cup of coffee catching up.
Kate I look forward to chatting with you.
TTYL

melee. Your post got me to thinking. What if Misty had two separate purses. The one she may have left in the car with Katrina that had all her personal belongings in case she got robbed again. Misty have used the purse we saw in the video to just carry the pills in so it would be disguised.

m2c – well said. I only went once and I didn’t find anything useful. I can get all the info I need right here and it is provided as fact or if unconfirmed then it is noted as such. I don’t have to guess and I know how to process the information in my mind. Simon and Jan provide the facts, give us the video and tapes to listen to and let us judge for ourselves. I don’t need anyone to “think” for me and I certainly don’t need anyone twisting the facts to follow their agenda. This case is twisted enough as it is.

Hi, JB!
Yes and I want to make it clear that my comment at 9:17 was not meant to imply that people can’t read and think for themselves. Of course they can! YOU did! LOL!

But some personal friends of mine (not on the net) tend to believe what they read. They sort of take people at face value and don’t suspect other possibilities. They are trusting souls. God bless their hearts! They’re truly good people.

So my comment is well-intentioned toward everyone and I hope everyone will “take it or leave it” as they wish (and not take offense).

Mlee and looking for Justice-
About M’s purse(s).
I tend to think that the big white bag in the video is probably more of a “tote bag” she brought along for the drug buy. It’s likely that her personal purse and other belongings like cell phone and camera were not in it.

But if LE has NOT collected those things as evidence then what the hey? All of that should be considered evidence because of the info they may contain. And if Katrina drove either M or R to the drug buy why would she be allowed to just drive off? In NORMAL circumstances (like any other drug take down) that person would be a suspect (at least temporarily) and the car searched and the person questioned. Very very strange if LE did not do that.

see m2c I forgot to type I was trying to say. My fingers are not typing what is trying to escape my brain. Sorry for the typo.

If I remember correctly Misty said that both she and Ron were with Katrina. Ron did not have his truck. Misty said Katrina saw swat pulling up and she pulled out of there. I hope LE went to see Katrina to retrieve Mistys purse. There could be alot of info there and pics tell a story.

Hi, looking for Justice! I’ve heard that a 20 minute “power nap” works well. Can you try that? Set the alarm? It’s supposed to be very refreshing and actually better than a longer nap.
I agree. If LE did not follow up right away with Katrina, her car and everything in it, then geez.

I wonder why,Ron and Misty did not use Ron’s truck that night;and why ride with Katrina?

YAY!! I tried posting all day yesterday and my posts never went through.

Everyone should go on the previous article and check out beautiful adams most recent “Nancy Grace” entry….
I love it!!!
I keep thinking of potted meats!!
Beautiful Adams, u are hilarious!!!!
My hubby and daughter read all of them and laughed so hard!!! Can’t wait for the next one!

hi everyone! I’ve been listening to tapes since yesterday so haven’t been posting much. I have a queston though, but it’s alittle off topic…is anyone else having problem bringing up pm messages?? I’m alittle worried… I’m gonna’ go back and try again.

m2c, hey! per my pm to you yeserday, I was unable to email Jan and now I can’t seem to bring up anything like old or new messages It’s weird…if your still here, let me know what I’m doing wrong if anything.

I’m not all the way thru the tapes, but the thing that is most striking to me is Timmy’s reaction to Tommy. Timmy and Chelsea, both, appear to be on Misty’s side. When Tommy says, “I didn’t do it,” Timmy hesitates for an extended time. He doesn’t jump right in there and say ‘I know you didn’t.’ Tommy’s words just fall flat. Timmy, finally says, “We aren’t a bunch of kidnappers and murderers of small children.”(not exact words)

Timmy was called that night before Ronald got home, and he knew what went on. I am not saying Tommy did this, but Timmy’s reaction to Tommy surprises me. Tommy’s eagerness to take a polygraph gives me some pause to wonder, if he is guilty, but he will only do it thru a private person. He said he would take a LDT when he got questioned some months ago. Why didn’t he take one to clear himself, back then? Now he says he will take a poly but, only thru a private person, not LE. I haven’t seen him do it yet and, really wonder if he will.

Karon, are you sure that Timmy was called before R got home? I thought Chelsea said she got a call around 4:00am.
All I ever heard about calls was that M was just about to or calling R when he pulled up in the drive. And that R called his mother while M was on the phone with 911. I may have the info wrong, but wanted to check.

Also if T wants to take a poly given by a “private person” then he will have to pay for it, I would think. Or maybe he’s trying to get LP or someone to pay for it for him.

It would be neat if LP stepped up and offered to pay, then we’d see how eager T really is to take a poly – especially if LP made sure it was given by a truly objective person.

Hi Karon, I think he says he will take a LDT now so that LP will bail him out.

Too bad he is being held without bond. I would be interested in Misty’s reaction to him being bailed out.

I’m gonna say I am still not completely convinced this was not stranger abduction or something going on with the other side of the family. Too many unanswered questions, like why stranger abduction/RSO were ruled out so quickly, and whether all parties on the other side have been adequately investigated as to their whereabouts. I want to believe LE has a good reason for doing things the way they are, especially since FBI is also involved…

she stole the purse at Walmart, m2c

m2c, sorry,double entry,HOW EMBARRASING!!

Man,I knew this laptop L.Padilla got me would break!

Misty’s phone call to Timmy info: examiner.com and just type in the date (September 9-09) theres a place on the top u can search a date. the time was 1:46pm

m2c, Thank you, I finally got it figured out. I did email jan and everything is taken care of! wheeew! I was beginning to panic! All better now! Back to the tapes…

Did anyone see L.Padilla last night on Nancy Grace. She asked him what his opinion was of Ron,and he said he got the feeling that Ron didn’t directly have anything to do w/it, but that maybe he was in trouble w/ major drug dealer he burnt.

Makes me wonder if that has something to do w/him wanting to bail Misty out, and wanting to be so involved in her side.

And as for no tapes of Ron: LE might want him out of the spotlight.(hmmm why?)and we know his attorney Shoemaker is smart.

I keep asking is “JASON” the same Jason who was booked at the same time they were.

Can anyone tell me which tape or video is the one of Jason?

M2C:

I have heard that Misty called Timmy. It may be on the voice analysis test video. As with most of the stuff about this case, we have no proof, but I think, Misty said she called Tommy and he didn’t answer. Then she called Timmy. Who knows the truth of it? I think Timmy knows what is going on here, whether Misty called, or not, that night.

Hank, Sr seems to be taking Tommy’s side and seems to be cool toward Misty, and Timmy and Chelsea seem to be going toward believing Misty.

Cathartic:

Hi! I haven’t made up my mind that Tommy is guilty, either. Misty thinks she is in love with Ron, and I think she would sell her brother out, in a heartbeat, to cover for some of her’s and Ron’s dealings. I do wonder about Tommy skipping around about the LDT, however. Even, if Tommy and/or Timmy were just in on the getting rid of the body, neither would want to take a LDT. I doubt we will see any of this family take a LDT. Lindsey seems to be totally willing, however, she was at work that night. I would like to know if Misty ever took another LDT.

Misty may be having a harder time than we think dealing with all the withdrawals, stress, and jail. She seems awfully drugged up, and she mentioned seeing a counselor and fainting. She, also mentions a walker in her room, and she says she is in a special needs cell. They wouldn’t let her have a razor, on one tape.

A doctor on NG show last night said, she could be having serious withdrawal problems. He seemed to think it could be dangerous withdrawing from the drugs she was taking.

m2c,

LE must have something that points them in the directions they go. The fact that I am not convinced they are doing things properly does not mean they are not. It just means I have seen no actual verification of a lot of things, including any alibi of any person involved, etc. Plus if LE based no stranger abduction on the fact that there was no forced entry, and nothing else, I would be suspicious of that. No forced entry does not mean no possible entry. A door could have been left unlocked, or whatever.

I want to believe LE is on the right track(s) but I remain skeptical since they are not giving out any information of any kind.

I wonder if at some point Misty’s family will pull away from her.

I wonder if Misty might one day just start screaming and never stop.

I no longer watch Nancy Disgrace.

Cathartic:

Misty’s family will have to pull away to some extent. They will have to go on with their life and go where they have to go to make a living. Misty is talking now, and she will break even more. Lindsey said, in one of those tapes that Tommy’s lawyer said Misty was really running her mouth. It will be sad to see this young girl break down, but it will be interesting to hear what she says. She never really stood a chance.

I think it is interesting that they have Tommy on a no bond charge, and they have him in a maximum security jail. Yhere may be a reason for the jail, however.

Tobias:

I agree with everything you just said. I believe Misty could have gone thru this whole year, not telling LE the truth, to keep Ron from getting mad at her. She wanted to keep Ron at all costs. IMO.

Misty is very needy. She thrives on attention. Yes, her family will have to pull away at some point; if she is in jail a long time, they will not be able to live their lives and still give her the kind of attention they are giving her now. If Tommy was not involved but Misty implicates him to save herself and Ronald, her family may abandon her totally.

Cath, I think Hank is already pulling away. Life is hard for them because of her stubborness and they know it. The longer it goes on the worse they will feel towards her. jmo

Cath, You forgot about the gun charge and the two B&Es its all rolled into one court date. jmo

re my 2:35 PM : I’m sorry, it’s the St. Johns website.

Tobias:

I think some of what Misty is saying is code to RC. She may be bringing up the tat to remind RC that she got the tat to show her love for him. She is still not in reality of what she is facing. It’s over, Misty, get a grip!

And who brings that up on speaker phone when their Dad can hear it. Just too weird for words. jmo

Karon, I believe she may not know where Haleigh is. However, whatever she knows, she has known all along and she obstructed the investigation by not telling it sooner.

If it was Tommy, Joe, Misty, or all of them, I think Ronald would have found out. He would have done some serious harm to all of them. So, whatever happened does not involve any of them unless it also involves Ronald.

All JMO.

Tobias:

Yeah, she thinks she’s famous. She has, probably, never heard of the word ‘notorious’.

Have you noticed that she backs up when dad speaks? She doesn’t mess with him too much. She knows just how to play every memeber of her family.

Her Granny tells her she doesn’t have anything to be ashamed of and to keep her head up. I wonder if she has seen those uc drug tapes? You can see Dad is the only one that makes her answer for what she’s done. It is no wonder Misty and Tommy are the way they are.

I think Dad is going to be forever mad at Misty, if TC goes down. If TC did have something to do with this, dad’s attitude is putting alot of stress on Misty. He knows more about his family than we do, however.

Tobias:

They never dreamed this would get the kind of public attention and press coverage it did. They live in a little community that is pretty isolated and never dreamed of all of this.

KARON COX AND m2c: see my post at 1:24 the info about MISTY CALLING TIMMY; examiner.com and the date was 09-09-99.
It’s also about when Timmy and Chelsea were questioned re:Haleigh sighting in Walmart.

JillF,

I agree it would be funny if it weren’t for the fact that this is about an innocent little girl.

However, I viewed Papa’s videos and I had to laugh at his “Secret Agent Man” video.

His other videos are insightful and refer to the problems with Ronald’s behavior.

Cathartic – Papa’s videos? I don’t know what those are..but would like to! Thanks.

JillF, I have had problems posting, refreshing the pages, etc., and had to clean history in an attempt to get things moving along. So, I don’t have the Papa video info at hand, but I will see if I can find it for you. I can’t remember where I saw the link but I came upon it by accident while looking for something else. I will see what I can do to locate the link.

M. CROSLIN: Yes. I wonder if I could call my mom when they`re there when they`re praying.

C. CROSLIN: Yes, you know. I pray for her every day.

M. CROSLIN: I pray for her every day. Day and night. I pray all the time. Like just get this over with, you know?

When I first got here I was on medical watch because when I went to talk to the detectives and I smoked a couple of cigarettes, and I didn`t smoke a cigarette in a couple of days and I come back to room, I passed out, I fell off the toilet and passed out and fell onto ground. They had to put me —

L. CROSLIN: Oh, no.

M. CROSLIN: Yes.

L. CROSLIN: Oh, no. I didn`t know that.

M. CROSLIN: Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

M. CROSLIN: Well, I didn`t really pass out. I just, like, fainted for a minute. And I come right back when I hit the ground.

L. CROSLIN: That fall made you come back to.

M. CROSLIN: It did.

(LAUGHTER)

M. CROSLIN: You know, it`s like, you know, what really hurts is, like, we were — me and him were talking about, we were getting back together and stuff, and like the cops —

L. CROSLIN: Yes, I know.

M. CROSLIN: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) everything up.

L. CROSLIN: Yes. That`s what they were trying to do.

M. CROSLIN: You know I was staying with — I stayed at his house. He picked me up every day.

Okay….this transcript makes me want to hurl myself into oncoming traffic…..”I pray for her every day. Day and night. I pray all the time. Like just get this over with, you know?”……Like just get this over with? Good Grief…a child may be dead and she was the one responsible for her and all she can say is “just get this over with”! UGH!

And OBVIOUSLY the cops only arrested her and Ron to keep the two of them from getting back together! RIGHTTTTT! Yeah, Misty, it was a great conspiracy to keep Romeo Ron and Mush head Mistiette apart! This girl does NOT have a clue!

Kate said,in March 9th, 2010 at 6:19 pm I’ve been reading what CathyJo63, Texasmommy39 and me were discussing the other day and I am convinced they are on the right path and that the Sheffield family has HaLeigh hidden somewhere
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I totally agree. Do we know when it was they took the life insurance policy out on her?

BB12-Chris said,in March 9th, 2010 at 6:20 pm Simon and Jan: Thank you for all your hard work. It is greatly appreciated. As a blogger in the Casey Anthony Case- it is my opinion that there is no significant similarities between the 2 children. One missing – one murdered. IMO Casey is a diabolical sociopath, whereas, Misty is a child trying to survive with a 6th grade education, a learning disability, family unit filled with addiction and safety issues. Misty is a child with NO childhood. I enjoy your blogs- thank you for allowing me to share my opinions.
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ITA. The lack of sympathy for a child that grew up the way Misty did has me astounded and sad.

JillF: You can Google it:

All these words: YouTube

Exact Phrase: Undercover Ronnie

RonFan @ 3:42 – Excuse me for butting in to your convo with Cathartic. But I wanted to explain from point of view that one of the reasons I haven’t ruled out some other possibilities is because there have been cases where children have been abducted and there have been no signs of forced entry. Same with DNA and fingerprints.
There have also been cases where a child was taken from a room where someone else was sleeping at the time. There have been cases where the last person known to have seen the child was NOT the abductor.
So I can’t be satisfied with LE’s “conclusion” based on those things.

There are lots of crime scenes where they have no physical evidence. BBL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Q2kaKHQ4E

AWESOME!

“Were the pages blank”

LOL!

tobias @ 4:00 – It’s very hard to prove a “negative.” So I don’t think LE can PROVE it was not a stranger abduction. They may have enough proof for something else but maybe not. We don’t know what they have or if they have correctly interpreted it. We can only go on what LE has said.
Many people have lived for years under suspicion because of what LE has and has not said – the stepfather in the Garrido case, and other parents including JonBenet’s.
So I don’t think we, the public, can be blamed for continuing to question and to theorize.

ME – I started out feeling sorry for her but a lot of people have bad childhoods….I have friends and some relatives that were abused as children, had crackheads for parents, were abandoned, shuffled from place to place, never had enough food to eat, went through a lot of traumatic experiences but they turned out just fine. It is all about choices IMHO. We all have options and choices…..I do not believe in using your childhood as an excuse for why you commit a crime…because not all people who have terrible childhoods commit crimes…and some peope who had WONDERFUL childhoods commit crimes….again, we all have choices and we have to live with the ones we made. Misty made her choices….now she’s dealing with it…not very well mind you…but she is dealing with it. Again…JMO

Sara Jane – I am starting to agree with that as well….Ron said on a jailhouse tape that he didn’t make Misty get that tattoo….and we don’t see her name on him…..But Misty said in a tape that Ron told her that was the only way to prove to him she loved him and she wasn’t sorry about getting it.

It shows how he manipulates…as well as the examples you gave in your post. I’m trusting him less and less…..and why no tapes released for him recently????

RonFan:

I am skeptical of anything I read or hear that is not verified. I would like to see video of a LE spokesperson saying whatever they have to say, rather than just reading it in a news article or hearing it on the news.

I am still wondering about the primitive “chair” that was found in the woods not far from the MH, that apparently had a view of the MH. This may mean nothing, but also may mean a person could have been watching the MH for a short time or a long time, whatever. Sometimes children who are snatched are watched, targeted in advance of the deed.

I keep my mind open to all possibilities in a case of a missing child. There was no stranger DNA in the Dowalaby case and no sign of forced entry (at least not one that was noticed immediately or considered by LE). The little girl’s stepfather did 7 years in prison for her murder before being exonerated.

Also, no forced entry was noted by LE in the Ramsey case, and no stranger DNA, until MUCH later, after they had put the family through hell.

In this case, I want to know if the washer and dryer in the MH were tested thoroughly, meaning the drains, lint traps, etc., to determine if they had been used as recently as that evening and if the lint might prove when a blanket was last washed and dried.

I want LE to publicly declare that all alibis of all persons involved have been checked and verified, and I want to know how those were verified.

I am well aware of the fact that LE often clears someone, then later re-considers them as a suspect or POI. A person cleared at one point may well be under radar later.

In short, I want to know that LE checked everyone out properly and did all necessary tests looking for DNA and other evidence. Perhaps that have done it all properly. I will remain a bit skeptical, however, until I know for certain that they have left no stone unturned.

I got so wound up about everything i have heard,an seen through the media. So I called Hank,an Lisa today.How ever unless i ask him if i can talk about anything, i wont discuss anything we talked about with out asking first.I will tell you they talked real decent to me. They love their children an grandchildren,no matter what mistakes they have made in life.I plan to keep in touch an help them anyway i can. I do not believe Misty,or Ron harmed Haliegh.Yes i know they had issues.but MarK Klass,an many others had their children taken,they did nothing.The fact that Misty partied,an may have got high the weekend before this happened.May not have had one thing to do with Haliegh going missing..

This baby is gone without a trace.An Many are hurting because of it.Yes storms of life,will break a person,or harden them.I plan to write this family,an keep them in my prayers.This is a sad situation,all the way around. I will never believe that Misty could have harmed,an got rid of this child,an no traces are anywhere.I want evidence.Show proof!! an i would like LE too explain why if they thought she did,that they waited a yr,an got her on some drug charges.An not arrested her in Halieghs case.That doesnt sound strange to any of you!!

Mc2 – good points. Thanks. I hope we know soon.

I have seen a theory that Ron may have been involved with the George brothers – the ones that were recently arrested for being prescription drug/pain pill pushers – running a pill mill outfitted as pain clinics there in Florida. Ron owes the George brothers $.

Now what that has to do, if anything at all, with Haleigh’s disappearence… I dunno.

JillF…and the life insurance policy…wow…wouldn’t even pay child support for Haleigh but insured her life? Parents usually take out insurance on their own lives to cover their child’s needs in case something were to happen to them. I’d really like to know when that was taken out and who was paying the premiums.
Oh, and of course the unpaid child support, the warrant etc etc.

I believe LE are looking at that family very closely and I believe if there is ever an arrest in this case, it will be from that side of the family.

JB, Misty is still a kid. Had just turned 17 when this happened. She never had the chance your friends had to change their lives around, and probably never will. Instead of people offering her help when they discovered she’d been taken out of school at about 10 years old, had druggie thieving parents etc, adults jumped in to use her for their own 15 minutes of fame, then set her up in a drug sting. She needed an acceptable adult role model, not people who wanted to take advantage of her like Donna B etc.

m2c…I have never heard LE say Chad did a LDT and I doubt he has.

cathartic…

You make some great points in your 4:26 post. Also, Jessica Lunsford’s grandfather was named LE’s #1 suspect after he failed his LDT and he was being called a sick pervert all over the internet. Boy, did LE get that wrong.

I’ve gotta go out for about 1/2 hour, and not happy about it, as there are so many great posts here this morning and I’d love to keep reading what you all have to say…be back soon.

SaraJane – I see few if any BUT “dark” type characters in this situation, unfortunately.
How “bad” they can be can only be guessed at this point from what we know and our own impressions and opinions.
That’s probably why I have about 7 theories – that include everything from accident to intentional harm to kidnapping with different people responsible.
The more I find out about everyone the worse it gets really. And like I said before the only reason I sort of “exempt” Crystal from direct involvement does not reflect well on her character either!

Hi, Vaquera! – I think “me” tried to post a link to a video of Marie. Not sure it came thru. We’ll have to remember to ask “me” when she gets back. (re:her comment about Chad)

Vaquera! I beleive this is the video they are talking about? It also is the same video where the cops and Ron are down by some water talking!

http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html

m2c♥ said,
in March 10th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

Hi, Vaquera! – I think “me” tried to post a link to a video of Marie. Not sure it came thru. We’ll have to remember to ask “me” when she gets back. (re:her comment about Chad)
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thanks, I would love to hear that myself. I knew the first week of Haleigh being missing that Chad was out till 5 AM the morning of the 10th and it was not for a bachelor party. 😉

The video is from Feb. 13 2009 on wesh news
jmo

thanks, tobias I will dig it up. There is so many videos I’ve missed in the beginning.

I will put it as a rumor and not fact, JB,though I believe the person that said it, but it was said that he was “seeing” this waitress he was interested in..guess it was some form of “payback” for something Crystal had done. Sure most people can figure out the “done” part 😉

Me – that life insurance policy is definitely huge. Just curious – does she have one on the other children as well (Jr & Chloe)? How much is it for? You are right – why would she take out a policy on her? She has no money. That is huge.

JB – I agree that there has to be a point when people start taking responsibility for their mistakes and stop blaming their poor circumstances. People do manage to break the cycle. However, Misty is 18. She just turned 18. That is really young to me. That combined with her lack of education…

Also, after Misty and Ron both claimed they “passed” the LD tests – I don’t believe anyone did. Did LE publish who passed what test? Also, LE announced that both parents were not suspects – I don’t believe that either.

Life insurance is not huge I have one for my kids and its from birth it costs $22. a year.
Since Haleigh was born with an illness it would make sense to have money to bury her if she died geezzz. jmo

Sara Jan – about the person who paid the c.s. –
Yes I’ve heard everything except that LE investigated it. I heard the checks went to KP – so I guess she passed the money along. Don’t know what that means if anything.
But, still, have not heard that LE really KNOWS all about the who and why of that cs payment. It could have been funnelled thru the do-gooder. Who knows? I mean we are amazed that strangers send $50 to jailbirds’ commissary accounts. Isn’t $12 grand something worth REALLY looking into? As in possible motive?

why care what turns up in the dirt unless you are hiding something. If it were my child I would let loose all secrets or skeletons out of the closet to get them over with so LE could move on to find my child. jmo

OOPS, sorry tobias. My posts are taking so long to go through, didn’t mean to repeat.

Tobias – I’m with you…if this was my child I would have been strapping myself into a chair with an LDT and would have answered any questions, and done EVERYTHING asked of me. Who cares about yourself, your pride or your dirty laundry when someone you love is missing? Not me!

BA, that’s true, but I wonder at what stage Turner’s Syndrome can be diagnosed. Would seem no tests would be done until symptoms are exhibited, which might not be immediately after birth.

tobias….

It would make sense if Crystal insured her own life to take care of the kids if she passed away. But that’s not what she did. She insured the life of a child she refused to support, then that child went missing.

Gerber sends you mailers almost daily for a life ins. policy for your child until they are 12 or 14. You can buy them at any time and they are cheap. Is supposed to ensure your child is insurable later in life. But you have to answer medical questions about your child. I’m not sure they could have gotten life insurance on Haleigh AFTER being diagnosed…it would have been really expensive I think. I bet this policy was like one of these Gerber policies bought shortly after birth….which makes it a non-issue since many of us bought them for our kids. They aren’t worth a lot….but you can sign them over to your child when they are 21. I have one for my son. They also build cash value so they are a good investment and a very common thing to have. Doesn’t raise any suspicion from me for them to have a policy on Haleigh.

m2c: Heres a brain teaser for the wonderful AND thorough pcso:
If someone came in our houses right now, and dusted for fingerprints,and took DNA, how many different people would show up!!!!

Ok, the plumber,ac man,painters, neighbors,friends,kid’s friends……

Me, If we thouht every parent who insurses their kids has a motive the jails could hold all of them. I have policies on both my kids from birth 422 a year each, you ever have to bury someone which I did without it and trust me its very expensive to do with out insurance. jmo

JB… I’m not sure either because of the medical issue… it’s that way for my Son.

JB…while life insurance policies might not raise any suspicions for you, I am sure you are aware that more than 1 person has been killed in the past for their life insurance. Just because you personally wouldn’t do it, doesn’t mean others haven’t.

Thank you, “me.”
The earlier info about the link would not work for me for some reason. Let’s be sure Vaquera sees it, too.

tobias said,in March 10th, 2010 at 5:46 pm “why care what turns up in the dirt unless you are hiding something.”
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Just remember that MG had KP for her offense and defense at the time. So yes. Good question to ask both sides.

tobias @ 6:09 – Ask an insurance company. They have a VERY different opinion of what a “big deal” is compared to most anyone else.

tobias,

Why do you think Marie and Crystal gave Chad a false alibi? I am sure that had nothing to do with burial costs. Would you give your daughter’s new boyfriend a false alibi if her child went missing?

cent…I have no idea where you get that they split the cost. It was Crystal that had the policy, not Ron. Nice try though.

Tobias, do we know that R had insurance for the children thru his job? I never heard that.

I do agree that normally life insurance for a child is not that unusual. In THIS case though it would be interesting to know more about it. When purchased, what’s the payout, what are/were the monthly payments? Does she have it for Jr and now for Chloe too? Etc.
It’s just another loose end (among many).

Where is the proof of the policy anyways or is it just one of the many rumors put out in the beginning? Just curious since it was brought up again after so long. jmo

I’m unclear about how Jr and Haleigh had health coverage. Wasn’t R unemployed for long periods of time? Somehow the children must have had it though, because Haleigh was in the hospital a couple of times and to the doctor a number of times. Some form of federal gov’t coverage maybe?

I doubt the insurance policy means anything.

I also doubt Crystal bought the policy as an investment for Haleigh. I don’t see Crystal thinking of that, or planning for anyone’s future. However, social workers at hospitals often suggest things like this to new mothers. She may have purchased the policy in good faith, being the premium is very very small, for most policies it is less than $2 per month.

I agree Crystal and her clan should have been investigated, but have no way to know they haven’t been or continue to be under LE radar.

I lean first toward Ronald and Misty’s lifestyle as being the key to Haleigh’s disappearance. Second would be stranger abduction. Third would be other side of the family.

All JMO.

The children were likely covered under Medicaid.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18706639/detail.html

I’m not sure if the link will show or not, but it’s an article from Feb. 13th, discussing the life insurance policy Crystal had on Haleigh. If you google it, you will see lots of people were discussing it way back then, before Marie and Crystal had their internet thugs stifling discussion about them.

cathartic…

My guess is that PCSO have the Sheffields and Griffis well and truly in their sights. Perhaps they are hoping that by convincing them that they don’t suspect them, they are hoping they make a mistake that will help them solve this case.

If you hear the interview with PCSO Major Gary Bowling from December last year, it seems to me he is strongly hinting that they are suspects.

The mexicans theory bothers me. I have been thinking about it and here is a new theory to put out there. Ron may have robbed the mexicans in cresent city and they didnt know his real name or where he lived but knew what Ron and Misty looked like. Misty goes on her weekend and one of them recognizes her. Finds out where she lives and takes Haleigh on Monday night. jmo

I’m confused… I thought the “Mexicans” that Misty encountered that weekend were like “migrant workers”?

me,

Exactly! If they are under LE radar it is secretly, for good reason. I find it hard to believe LE has completely disregarded any of the players.

Okay… Tobias, I’ll have to go back and listen. Shoot, I thought that they were trying to get them to sleep with them.

cathartic said,in March 10th, 2010 at 6:40 pm me,

Exactly! If they are under LE radar it is secretly, for good reason. I find it hard to believe LE has completely disregarded any of the players.
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Yep, I totally agree. And it seemed to me PCSO Major Bowling said the exact same thing in December when he was interviewed.

Hey… Methinks/Pink Panther… I guess our health go hand and hand!!! I’m fighting this respiratory infection!! It’s getting the best of me!!!

Yeah, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to notify the parties that they are under surveillance.

Or to notify the public that anyone is under surveillance. Same reasons apply.

There are usually two hearings. Initially, temporary custody is decided and then permanent custody.

And ya know, possibly Crystal did not want custody at that time. Maybe she was not able to care for the kids. It does not mean she did not care. If I had been unable to care for my child, I would have given up custody. I am sure others would have viewed that as my not caring even though it would have been for total opposite reason.

Anyway, imo, the insurance means nothing and Crystal not having custody does not mean she didn’t care.

cathartic, I understand what you are saying about custody but I think C was trying to get it, wasn’t she? So I would assume she wanted it.

It’s another thing if she had not disputed it.

And that gets me on another tangent of mine:
I wish that society would make it OKAY for moms who can’t or don’t want their children or want to take care of them (temporarily or permanently) because then maybe more women would be more willing to let their children go to relatives or foster care or be adopted at birth. But society villifies mothers like that. AND doesn’t offer them much if any help.
And it’s ALWAYS the children who suffer.

I am not talking about cs or anyone in particular here.

Cent:

I feel a little sorry for Lindsey, because of the way Tommy pressures her to push over her grandparents and let his family stay there with her.

m2c, you make a great point.

If a mother cannot care for her children temporarily, for whatever reason, she should have the option of them being placed somewhere to be cared for, without being put under a microscope.

Sometimes mothers want their children but do not fight for custody for reasons of their own. But those mothers are viewed as evil.

It’s similar to a young mother giving up a child for adoption because she cannot care for it. This does not mean she does not love the child.

Others often see motives where there are none. But not everything is as it seems.

Karon, I am hoping that T’s current behavior and the fact that he’s away from her, will help open Lindsy’s eyes to the kind of scumbag he really is.

The reason that Crystal is being looked at with such disdain is because she is a Woman, and gave birth. Lets face it, Mother’s are the nurtures and the ones that are suppose to be the care-takers…and raise their children… it’s always been that way in society. Now, we have a chick that has made so many poor choices that have affected her child in ways that most can not comprehend. Honestly, not all woman are cut out to be Moms. jmo

M2C:

Sometimes being away from someone for a short time helps, because you can’t see the truth anymore.

Exactly, BA ! And when a father has custody it is automatically assumed he is some kind of great guy.

We all know better.

I am on Croslin tape #7. It was pretty disgusting. It is amazing what we will listen to just to get one or two little glimpses of truth.

Karon, I find Tommy to be a little selfish shit… His Nana doesn’t even have minutes for him on the phone… yet, Lindsay is suppose to the risk the wrath of her family to accommodate his need/wants. He is on edge… and he can’t not stand the fact that he is not able to control her… anymore.

cent, Your right about that! selfish little shit! While listening to his tapes, I felt the hair on my arms stand up. He reminds me of one of my exes from years ago…CONTROL!!!!

Interesting…on Marie’s myspace, she has herself listed as the President of the Company “Haleigh Bug Foundation”. Follow the money trail…..

Did anyone notice how she talked about how he had a job making 1400 a week before he started getting in trouble and how the flowers werent from him because he never did that unless he was in trouble. And the talk about the ring was a big lie to cover the fact that she pawned it for bail money. Really Tim finds it in boxes from his old house almost a year later? Tommy talked about the ring way after the move and told her to get a new one. jmo

I am narrowing my list of suspects down a little bit, I think.

She also said his friends may not know her but she knows all of them and where they live. Sounds like she followed him around alot, like a jealous wife would.HMMMM. JMO

We have to consider those tapes are a month old. A lot could have happened since. And it could be another month before we find out WHAT.

I agree with everyone that T is a jerk scumbag. He is another “me, me, me first and only!” just like his sister.

I am VERY glad that Lindsy’s relatives put their foot down about not allowing Croslins to freeload on her again. Maybe she’ll get another start in life. She and the children.
In fact I hope T gets a really LONG sentence if for only that reason!

I liked the videos better because you could see how often Lindsey shook or head or rolled her eyes.

My sister thinks that the family is mad at Lindsay, for moving… and that is why the family is really being so short/hostile with Tommy!!

BA, Hank Sr. came to Lindsey’s rescue when she locked her keys in her car. She seems to get along with him, and he with her. I wonder if one reason for that is they are seeing eye-to-eye re Misty.

That may be so… but, why Nana’s hostile reaction to Tommy?

lol, the orange one

Cath, Do you think we will ever get any of Rons tapes? I t would be interesting to see how he is handling jail time. jmo

cathartic,
I think it was the car parked next to them that locked themselves out…with the child in the car. Lynsey had a dead battery because someone left the radio on. Thats what I got out of that part of the tape. I could be wrong.

Methinks, He was so worried about her getting minutes instead of what if her car didnt start after she got to Walmart. Man I would have told her to let it charge up and shut it off then wait to see if it started befor leaving for Walmart. gezzzz

night tobias

He knows enough to put a rat in a mailbox. lol jmo night everyone

Lindsey is encouraging Tommy to tell some things he knows. She says don’t make up a story, but tell them some things that are true.(not the exact words)

In past tapes Hank has a few times asked Tommy if he was sure he was coming home in three years. It’s as if Hank needs reassurance that something else is not going to come up that makes it longer, and then isn’t totally sure even after Tommy assures him.

Although, I thought 116 Tyler was up for sale by a realtor. I saw an ad with info on it, but no photo in the ad.

I know at one time Lindsey said Timmy and Chelsea would help her.

Cent:

You are right that the family was probably mad because Lindsey moved. That left them without a car and a place to live. It sounds like the place they are in, now, is pretty bad.

Karon.. I think they are angry cause… Lindsay is trying to Live!!!

Cent:

These users can get pretty mean when you stop letting them CONTROL you. It gets usgly. Don’t you think?

Thank you for the info about what led up to Lindsy’s move. I’d been thinking that it “seemed” all was okay until T went to jail. So I’d imagined he’d been bringing in money that helped and that’s why she had to move when he went to jail. If he HAD been bringing in money, then how was he making it? Of course now we know he WAS bringing in groceries (soap, towels etc!) LOL!

Also, earlier I had thought that Lindsy co-owned that place with a relative. So now I’m wondering if that relative (grandfather?) is the same one who is letting her live in his condo. If so, he may have said “I’m not paying for half-the mortgage while the Croslins are mooching off you.” And so that’s how she got to move out – without them tagging along.

“me” – There are over 200 RSOs “missing”/unaccounted for in Georgia alone. There are thousands missing and unaccounted for in this country. They just slipped away. LE has no idea where they are.
So I think it’s perfectly possible that one or more were nearby and no one knew. Certainly LE would not know to check on them. And my gosh that chair in the woods gives me the CREEPS!
And LE seems to ignore it?

Well goodnight folks…I gotta’ lay down, my tooth is throbbing! YYEEEOOOUCH!

M2C:

Did you catch that part on the tapes that said some new charges were going to be added? Tommy asked her if it was the B&E’s, and the gun charge. She said yes. I don’t know if it will all come down at one time, however. Tommy said his lawyer kept telling them 3 yrs, but that may be separate from the B&E’s. He may be in for a long haul before all of this is over. I suppose he should be for pushing drugs and breaking into people’s houses.

Cathartic: In my post earlier today about the DNA and evidence/no stranger abduction: I realized (after m2c wrote a response to it,thank goodness) it came out wrong!!

I was just being sarcastic,but when i reread it,it sounded way Harsh…not intended,at all.

Sorry..sometimes I have to watch how I say stuff. too sarcastic,I can’t help it…

But yes, I totally agree w/u all. PCSO can’t just release a statement, and expect folks to believe it. That’s why I wrote Bull****!!

Not directed to you at all; sorry again!! Actually directed to Major Gary Bowling!!lol

methinks…
ouch…abcesses are awful…hope you are feeling all better very soon.

The school bus stop arrest…
UCN: 542009CF002113XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-11-06 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2009-11-06 1 ARREST REPORT – PCSO D/S ALITZER (ARREST 11/5/09)

2009-11-06 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-4578

2009-11-06 1 POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE

2009-11-06 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA

2009-11-06 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 11/6/09

2009-11-06 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING

2009-11-06 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND

2009-11-06 2 $1004.00 SECURED BOND SET CT. I

2009-11-06 2 $ 504.00 SECURED BOND SET CT. II

2009-11-06 3 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS

2009-11-06 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER AT FIRST APP HEARING

2009-11-09 5 $1004.00 (A-1-24 HR CITY BEST) #2229313

2009-11-09 6 $504.00 (A-1-24 HR CITY BEST) #2229314

2009-11-09 6 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FLORIDA

2010-01-28 7 INFORMATION (POSSESSION OF SCHEDULE II SUBSTANCE)

2010-01-28 8 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (POSSESSION OF

2010-01-28 8 PARAPHERNALIA ONLY)

2010-01-28 9 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03/02/2010) IN JAIL

2010-01-28 10 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03/02/2010)

2010-02-03 11 MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIVISION 52

2010-02-03 12 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIV 52

2010-02-03 12 ARR TO BE RESET

2010-02-09 13 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR

2010-02-09 13 A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE

2010-02-09 13 ENDORSEMENTS THERE ON FILED BY:JAMES WERTER (FAX)

2010-02-09 14 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY (FAX)

2010-02-10 15 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND APPLICATION TO THE CLERK

2010-02-10 15 FOR COPY OF THE INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE

2010-02-10 15 ENDORSEMENTS THEREON FILED BY: JAMES WERTER (ORIGINAL)

2010-02-10 16 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY(ORIGINAL)

2010-02-16 17 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND PLEA OF NOT GUILTY AND

2010-02-16 17 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT

2010-02-16 17 OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS THEREON

2010-02-16 17 FILED BY: JAMES S WERTER (FAX)

2010-02-18 18 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE AND PLEA OF NOT GUILTY AND

2010-02-18 18 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE INDICTMENT

2010-02-18 18 OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS THEREON

2010-02-18 18 FILED BY: JAMES S WERTER (ORIGINAL)

2010-02-22 19 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03-31-2010)

2010-02-22 20 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)

The theft of the items found at his home/reported stolen by others in the neighborhood…
UCN: 542010CF000164XXAXMX
File Date: 2010-01-22 Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Defense Atty:

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2010-01-22 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. L SMITH (1/19/10)

2010-01-22 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A

2010-01-22 1 BURGLARY OF DWELLING

2010-01-22 1 GRAND THEFT

2010-01-22 2 WARRANT ISSUED – BOND SET AT $5,004.00 TJL

2010-01-22 2 BOND SET AT $2,504.00

2010-01-26 3 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED

2010-01-26 4 FIRST APPEARANCE FORM

2010-01-26 5 ORDER TO TRANSPORT DEFENDANT TO ST JOHNS COUNTY

2010-01-26 5 FROM PUTNAM COUNTY

2010-01-26 6 MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE OF

2010-01-26 6 BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS

2010-01-26 6 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)

2010-01-26 7 ORDER REQUIRING PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF

2010-01-26 7 SOURCE OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL (NEBBIA HEARING)

2010-01-26 7 PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS RELEASE ON BAIL

2010-01-28 8 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG

2010-01-28 8 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING

2010-01-28 8 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND

2010-01-28 8 CT I – $5004 AND CT II $2504 SECURED BOND SET

2010-01-28 8 ADD ON CHARGES

Hank Sr’s Doctor Shopping…

UCN: 542009CF002296XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-11-24 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: MACQUEEN, WILLIAM A

Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T SR
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2009-11-24 1 COMPLAINT FILED: FDLE

2009-11-24 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A

2009-11-24 1 DOCTOR SHOPPING(WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM A

2009-11-24 1 PRACTITIONER (F3)

2009-11-24 2 FELONY WARRANT ISSUED – BOND SET AT $2504.00

2009-11-25 3 ARREST REPORT – 11/24/2009

2009-11-25 3 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-04876

2009-11-25 3 BOND SET AT $7504.00

2009-11-25 4 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG

2009-11-25 4 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED AT FIRST APPEARANCE HEARING

2009-11-25 4 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND

2009-11-25 4 $7504.00 SECURED BOND SET

2009-11-25 5 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS

2009-11-25 6 APPLICATION AND ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2009-11-25 7 FELONY WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED

2009-11-30 8 $7500.00 A-1-24 HOUR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS-#2236011

2009-11-30 8 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FL (11/25/2009)

2010-01-21 9 INFORMATION

2010-01-21 9 DOCTOR SHOPPING (WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM

2010-01-21 9 PRACTITIONER)

2010-01-26 10 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-18-2010)

2010-01-26 11 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02-18-2010)

2010-02-18 12 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, SWORN, ARRAIGNED,

2010-02-18 12 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPOINTED, ENTERED PLEA OF NOT GUILTY,

2010-02-18 12 SET FOR PRE TRIAL 03/31/2010.

2010-02-18 13 AFFIDAVIT FOR CRIMINAL INDIGENT STATUS

2010-02-18 14 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER

2010-02-18 15 ORDER SETTING PRE TRIAL 03/31/2010

2010-02-23 16 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (03-31-2010)

As you can see, Putnam County will have 3 Croslins before the Court on the 31st.

Hi Armando:

What do you think of the tapes?

I’m not quite sure where the rumour started that he didn’t have any court dates, but as you can see, he has lots of matters listed at Court!

If anyone wants to check their court dates, you just have to go to Putnam County clerk of courts web page, then click online inquiry, then croslin% and they all come up.

At St John’s, same thing, get to the clerk of courts page, then go to “criminal research” then it gives you a link where you can do on-line inquiries. I’d provide the links but I don’t think they’ll show up here.

I doubt that the small town would pass up any gossip. The children are still pretty young, so they might not understand.

Me:
Tommy and Lindsey were talking about it on the tape, but I think TC has one now.

Judith:

That was funny about Walmart shopping. I know they are following their every step.

I hate to say this, but the life insurance policy was taken out and paid for by GOOD OLE JOHNNY SHEFFIELD!!!
Plus,it’s a term one. More bucks!!We r talking 1,000,000.

This is no joke,it’s the truth..as usual,I will have to look back and find the info on that, but I promise I will.

It was strange the way LE suddenly called off the search and TES went home.

judithan….

You’d think the walmart would have banned for from going back on their premises. Crazy. Other customers should get a warning to watch their purses before she enters!

Cathartic:

You are right, and I am sure the prosecutor will arrange it so that he will face the trafficking charges as a fellon. He could be in for alot of trouble.

me, where I come from you get time for B&Es, too. But we’re talking Putnam County, where no one seems to get time for anything.

B&E is a felony,so if he’s convicted,doesn’t matter what the sentence is, it’s still a felony.
In my state too many people are granted probation for B&E’s, minor drug possession, and so many other things. (Usually first offenders.)

cathartic said,in March 10th, 2010 at 10:18 pm me, where I come from you get time for B&Es, too. But we’re talking Putnam County, where no one seems to get time for anything.
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Good point! I notice Lisa came out with probation (with drug testing) for stealing from a vulnerable neighbor….I think she should have done some time for it. Stealing from vulnerable people like that is really low.

I got kind of tickled on those tapes when TC and Lindsey were fussing about his lawyer being so negative. TC said, “He just keeps saying 3 years.” He seemed to think that was impossible. He will be lucky if it is just 3 yrs.

I wonder how long Ron will get?

Me and Ronfan:
I don’t know how much lower a person could go than stealing from neighbors and blind people that you ae mooching off of.

Karon,

I totally agree. The vulnerable need to be better protected, and stealing from blind and vulnerable people should be a serious aggravating factor to take into account in determining an appropriate sentence.

me,

That will only happen if RC gets his charges reduced. If he is tried on the trafficking charges as they stand, there is a mandatory minimum; the judge will have no leeway on the sentence.

For any of this group their only hope is getting all charges reduced. Some may be reduced and some may even be dismissed, but if even one stands and they get convicted of it, the mandatory minimum is what they will get.

I should have said the mandatory minimum is the least they will get.

Tommy told his dad that he will have to serve the full 3yrs on a minimum mandatory sentence. I think that is what his lawyer told him, but he keeps hoping for a better deal, I suppose.

I’ve seen some posts about concern over a judge already having made up her mind about the sentence. Well, that’s not what it’s about. The law determines the sentence in drug trafficking cases. The only choice a judge has is whether to impose a sentence longer than the minimum. The minimum is mandatory and not negotiable. The negotiating has to be with the charge itself, the sentence cannot be less than the mandatory minimum.

Many judges nationwide do not like the mandatory minimum law because it takes away their ability for leniency for young, first-offenders.

Cathartic:

I had heard the law was cracking down on drug trafficking.

Cathartic:

I don’t know with the charges of B&E against Tommy, also, they may throw the book at him.

Thanks Karon… I’ll PM her… I’m off to try and get some sleep myself, Respiratory Infection has kicked my butt/got early hospital visit in the morning and I’m acting like a coward, don’t want to be admitted, all I can see are tubes in my chest. My ever present neurosis. Have a Good-Night All!

I read an article not long ago about a young, first time offender convicted on a trafficking charge. The judge was fighting back tears as he sentenced the kid to 15 years without possibility of parole. It was the mandatory minimum, and the judge did not have any other choice. The kid had no prior record, not even for minor stuff.

The players here are in deep do-do, no doubt about it. Dismissal or reduction of all charges are their only chance of not going away for the long haul.

BA, I hope you feel better soon, get some rest tonight. Maybe they can fix you up with antibiotics and you won’t have to be inpatient.

Misty:But,it’s gonna hurt two people, It’s gonna hurt two people

Chelsea: That we care about?

Misty: Kinda! Uh, one yeah and the other kinda.

Chelsea: That I care about?

Misty: Yeah!

OK, I do NOT think she is talking about Joe and Tommy. Chelsea mentions something, I could not hear and then Misty said something, and Chelsea responds with, wow,but I have not seen HER in a long time though.

Sound’s like Misty said after that, Teresa’s the truth Chels.

Sorry to drop out of the conversation…just had something go very wrong with a house I was about to buy….arrgh. Be back soon!

MC said think real hard and you will know the truth. I thought she might be talking about Tommy and Joe, because Chelsea has already suspected Joe. Joe was at Timmy and Chelsea’s house the night Haleigh went missing, and Chelsea’s van had been moved and a scratched.

Armando:

Thanks, so true. They loved themselves more than they loved Haleigh, that precious little child.

Personally, I don’t know this UC can sleep at night knowing he has set up a teenager, with a seriously disadvantaged background, and no prior criminal history, to do a term of 25 years in jail. They should be out catching the bad guys, not setting up silly kids. That makes me feel ill that that cop did that, knowing what the consequences would be.

Thanks I going to go listen… I have listen to all of them but they all seem to run together after awhile.lol

Karon, of course I do not think TN “has” Haleigh, but I think she knows what happened to her..

Her behavior has been weird from the get go.
Ron Tattooing her name real big on his chest is strange.

Too many things about her that just don’t add up, but would explain Misty and Ron’s odd behavior.

I don’t know why TC’s lawyer would be so definite that he is going to get 3yrs, if he wasn’t fully expecting it. I don’t think that is even including the gun charge and the B and E’s.

cathartic

Who is she talking about? Chelsea says I haven’t seen HER in a while?

I really find it difficult to believe it could be Tommy or Joe, and Ronald not have found out about it. He would have found out if it was anyone so close to home. Misty may say it was them but if it really was either or both of them, I believe Ronald would have found out very quickly and he would have killed them. Really, Ronald is a POS, but I don’t think he would let anyone slide on hurting his daughter.

ky mom,

Misty apparently had a friend named Crystal who she ran away with a few years ago. That friend has now written to Misty saying she is looking for ways to help her, possibly get her bailed out. That’s the person they are talking about when Chelsea says she hasn’t seen “her” in a long time.

cath, she does not say that during that part of the conversation, she said it when they are talking about the two people getting hurt.

ohh okay. So they just changed the conversation. Sorry my speakers are horrible……

Wonder if she is still considering taking a LD. Remember last time she was to sleepy.lol

Wow, Buddy, I missed that. I mean, I believe you, but I must have missed it.

Could it be they talk about it on another tape as well? Because the tape I listened to she said haven’t seen “her” in awhile about Misty’s old friend Crystal, before the “hurt two people” part of the conversation.

I said my laptop audio is not great and some of the tapes sound a little scratchy on my speakers so I could have missed something, I’ll admit it.

I wonder why that part about hurting two people was not redacted.

I thought everything about the ongoing investigation was redacted??

You know, it is entirely possible Haleigh OD’d on a drug and the drugs were Ronald’s. If that’s what happened, it could explain Ronald not being in a position to do anything to anyone even if he found out they covered up.

Whatever Misty tells is likely to be a lie or only a partial truth.

So this is what Nancy grace has on her page about the conversation with Chelsea.

Sister-in-law: So what, you have things you need to talk to him about?
Misty Croslin: Well yeah, I mean, it’s you know, hard to talk.
Sister-in-law: I know.
Misty Croslin: Yeah. But it’s gonna hurt two people. It’s gonna hurt two people.
Sister-in-law: That we care about?
Misty Croslin: Kinda. One, yeah. And the other, kinda.
Sister-in-law: That I care about?
Misty Croslin: Yeah.
Sister-in-law: Cause I know I don’t give a f*** about Ronal, excuse my language.
Misty Croslin: No, No. No it’s somebody. Yeah, no.
Sister-in-law: It’s not him?
Misty Croslin: No, you just think Chelsea, use your head. And you’ll know.

LOL ky mom…my post took so long to go through. Yours wasn’t showing yet when I was trying to post mine.

So…even though NG transcripts are sometimes inaccurate, that one looks close to what I heard heard.

Yep, I think she’s gonna implicate Tommy and Joe. She doesn’t care about Joe.

She cares about Ronald and won’t say anything that would implicate him. Or herself. Even though she is guilty as sin…whether she is the one responsible or just covered up and withheld info. Lied, basically, saying she didn’t “know nothin'”.

I now believe she did wash a blanket. But not because it had pee on it.

I think possibly Ronald is no longer having visitors or talking on the phone. I think he is communicating by mail only, to avoid being recorded.

I would like to think he found a way to act like a man and told what he knows. I won’t comment further on that since I cannot express it in language that Jan would be OK with.

me,

All the adults in Haleigh’s life failed her.

And all the adults in Misty’s life failed her.

It’s just a sad, sad situation all the way around, for everyone.

But you know, my thoughts are for Haleigh, not Misty. I care about all the little ones who are just thrown away.

It is true that Misty had a few chances in life. But, Haleigh had even fewer.

cathartic,

I know you differ from me in your views, but I still need to ask if you watched the video of Marie while Chad was being taken away? That’s what firmed up my view of who is responsible. Of course, I could be wrong, but I can’t help but feel Crystal’s side is behind this. A couple months ago I was convinced it was Tommy, but after reviewing all the Chad/Marie stuff, I have become convinced it was them.

I’d love to hear your thoughts re whether you also think Marie looks rattled when Chad is being taken away and she is saying she is his alibi.

me,

I saw the video of Chad being taken away, and Marie said she wasn’t worried because he lives 500 feet from her, etc.

I have to say, MG gives me the creeps big time. She’s very weird, and even looks scary to me in some vids. But, in that video I did not think she looked alarmed or worried over Chad.

If Chad was “missing” that night, by all means I want to know where he was. It has been said he was with a woman, and possibly he told LE all about that and they interviewed the woman.

IDK…I have to think LE did not completely bungle the investigation. They may have made some mistakes, but to not thoroughly investigate the whereabouts of all parties is something I can’t believe happened.

Hey, I would love to find out that the other side took Haleigh and is keeping her secreted away somewhere. It is about the only theory I can think of at this point that has her still alive. I just do not see anything that points to that.

If it was just PCSO or even FDLE, I might be more suspicious of the investigation. But FBI was and still is involved. I find it difficult to believe all three LE entities have neglected to investigate all the parties’ alibis.

There could be more arrests soon, you never know. If the Griffis and Sheffields are into anything big, they will get their due.

cathartic,

It is understandable that you would feel that way towards Misty if you think she is in some way responsible. I feel the same way towards Marie, even though I don’t know for sure that she’s behind it. We can’t help our feelings.

Misty, Tommy & Hank have caused me to raise my eyebrows more than a few times…but it’s been nothing compared to what I feel about what I’ve seen from the other side.

If Misty is talking, I am guessing she’s just going to give further details as to why she thinks Tommy and/or Joe might be involved. I thought she may have lied about going out that night, but given LE have had 13 months to get something on her, I am not so sure anymore.

I am pretty sure Crystal and her clan are being watch closely. I think since DCF did not effectively supervise the environment those kids were in with Ronald, they will do a better job supervising Junior’s caretakers. It’s an agency that is overwhelmed to the point where they can’t supervise effectively in most cases, but with Haleigh gone I don’t think they will risk anything happening to Junior.

If there are drugs or other crimes going on there, Junior will be removed from Crystal’s custody.

What goes around, comes around. I do not believe authorities can afford to ignore that clan. If they took Haleigh or arranged it, they will be found out.

cathartic…I am soooo sorry about your cat. I am a cat lover and had one of mine into see an oncologist this week and he has surgery scheduled for next week. I sure hope your kitty is feeling much better by the time you wake.

I’m still here. I won’t be sleeping. Kitty is really sick and I need to keep an eye on him. He can’t pee. He was fine all day yesterday; I clean his box every morning and every evening but yesterday I cleaned it around 5 PM also because it was trash day. He had been peeing just fine, but around midnight I noticed him in his box. Then 10 minutes later he was still there. And did not produce. So, I am worried, even though he is eating and playful.

Sorry, off topic. I just love this kitty so much and he’s just an awesome pet.

me…sorry about your sick baby. It is hard to see them ill.

cathartic…

Just remembered links won’t post here. But if you google “blocked urinary tract cats” you will find a bunch of websites that talk about it (I just googled it and a lot came up). It is extremely common and you can even buy foods at the vet aimed at keeping the risk of it happening low. I think your kitty will be fine if you get him to the vet in the morning. He’s very lucky to have you looking after him.

I’m here, sorry…was loving up the boy.

He’s not in pain, but he can’t pee at all.

The vet doesn’t open for another 4 hours, I hope he can wait that long.

Sorry to all who come in now to read, for all my off-topic posting. If there was a way I could delete them, I would.

I’m sorry for my ot posts too…I rarely post ot so hope I am forgiven.

Mine is a rescue kitty also. All cats I have ever had, except the first one, have been rescues. Good grief, I can’t seem to stop!

SORRY EVERYONE.

Oh wouldn’t that be the best outcome!

Well I am depressed. Bipolar, actually, but predominantly depressed. And my cat makes me smile every day, something I would not do without his antics.

I think some of my depression is due to all the crap in the world these days. So many people being cruel to children, often their own, gnaws on me.

cathartic,

I hear ya…there are not very many nice people in the world, and they’re all caught up in their meaningless, superficial, materialistic pursuits and don’t seem to have the time and/or inclination to be compassionate. I say the same thing to people about my kitties…they make me laugh and giggle all day long…even through the worst of times, they can put a smile on my face.

Yes, many people aren’t at all nice to their own children. I hate when I am out somewhere and I see an adult berate, belittle or otherwise be abusive towards a small child…I always try to catch the child’s eye and let them know as best I can that it is their parent that has the problem, not them. It must be so confusing for kids. And it takes them many years to recover from that sort of childhood. I really can’t help but feel sorry for Misty…with parents and brothers like that, she was probably treated like a freak by the other kids. Who grows up with a grade 6 education in this day and age? Crazy.

Part of me thinks that Haleigh is okay. They’ve found no evidence to suggest otherwise. They found a footprint that they seem to think may have been hers, which would suggest she was with someone she trusted or at least knew, as it appears she was walking with this person.

m2c,

Glad you’ve joined us. I agree about cats and dogs…I often say they are gifts from heaven to earth. I’ve got one on my back as I type! Some idiots moved out of an apartment and left him behind, and he was outside the apartment every night howling up at it. So sad.

I too hope BA Cent sees the right docs and is on the road to recovery very soon. And I hope methinks’ abcess has improved overnight!

And I pray that cathartic’s kitty is feeling much better very soon!

cathartic,

What a sweet story…so glad the little girl understood!

Morning Cathartic and me!
Hope we hear from our two friends today that they are okay – and that your cat will be all right.

cathartic,

Re the footprint…yes, very hard to know when it got there…but hopefully LE have determined when/if she was outside barefoot in that area (I’m assuming it was a shoeless print?) in the days or weeks leading up to her disappearance, and whether or not there were other children in the vicinity who might have been outside barefoot. Hopefully they’ve checked the print against her shoe size etc.

And I agree re Misty. I also grew up in a small town, and we had 2 sides of the tracks (so to speak). The kids on the better side were treated so much differently by everyone including the teachers etc. And the kids on the wrong side were far more likely to have LE hassle them and charge them, whereas the kids from the right side, their parents would get a phone call, but nothing more would happen if they did the same thing. I was so lucky to grow up the way I did, but always felt for the kids from the other side of the tracks. I could see even as a youngster how much differently they were treated. I can’t help but think that if Misty’s dad was a doctor or lawyer or someone of stature, she wouldn’t be going through all this. I just wish someone would have helped her…she should have been removed from that home and put in a home where her parents cared enough to ensure she got at least a basic education.

This is when I wish a meddlesome lawyer (sort of like KP) would talk to Lindsy and help open her eyes and tell her she needs a divorce NOW! From that sorry POS she’s married to AND the rest of his family (restraining orders all around)! And offer to help her with all the paperwork.

m2c,

I think Tommy’s sentence will be long enough, and Lindsay will move on without him. Hopefully she picks a guy with better prospects next time around. I feel very sorry for those kids.

me, I can only hope you are right (@6:38)
I wish she could get a good job and good day care. It will be hard to find a guy though when she’s already got three(?) children! That scares off some guys.
This is one reason I wish we could teach young girls and women that they DO NOT NEED A MAN! And frequently – as in this case – are better off without one! LOL!

Yes, it’s very hard to see what she would see in Tommy. Perplexing.

Yes, re teaching them they don’t need a man. I think many girls also feel they need to have children with every man they meet. I just have this bad feeling Crystal will soon be pregnant again to a 3rd man. I’ve also known some women who are only really interested in the children they have with their current boyfriends, and would probably get rid of the earlier ones if they could.

Do we know how old Lindsay is? Do they have 3 kids? How could she not have given him an ultimatum after the school bus stop incident and why did she let the kids drive with him?

m2c, she might very well believe she can’t do better than him. She may have self-esteem issues. If that’s the case, even if she leaves him, she will likely hook up with another guy that isn’t much better. And that’s sad, because she is intelligent; she completed nursing school, and you can tell by how she talks she’s not a dummy.

I am guessing that we will find out soon that Hank sold the car LP gave him, and spent the money on drugs. Any idea what he’ll get on the Dr. shopping charges? Probation?

Not sure what he will get. Possibly the legal system in that county will start dealing with the Croslins more seriously. I think his hearing is 3/31.

His trial, I mean. I think he already had the hearing.

I noticed that Lisa’s probation requires her to have drug testing done…if she fails the drug tests, does she get dealt with for breach of probation?

Did anyone hear Lindsay tell Tommy she failed her drug test and came up positive for everything, but they think it’s a mistake? When I have seen her interviewed, she hasn’t seemed impaired. I sure hope she’s not using too.

The journalists in this case have been awful and have not asked probing questions at all. I would have liked to have seen them asked about the footprint and the trail the canines followed, to find out whether haleigh had walked that path recently, or whether they picked up a fresh footprint and the dogs were following a fresh scent. And soooo many other questions.

me, I never heard that L had a drug test. Why?
For a job or something?
And that’s another thing. It’s probably against the law to discriminate like this but if any potential employer knows that L is married to a doper it could hurt her chances at a job – especially one in nursing for pete’s sake!
If she had a job before I bet they checked their inventory when they heard about her husband!

m2c….

My guesses, based on how it works here, but having no idea how it works in Fla…

If it’s judge alone for the B&Es, bus stop offences etc, it might be all dealt with together (one after another) as it is assumed that a Judge will not let his thinking on one case influence his thinking in another case. As they arise out of different circumstances though, if it were to go to a jury, a jury would only look at one of the sets of charges, for example, there’d be a trial for the bus stop stuff, and a separate trial with separate jury for the grand theft of the firearm from the neighbor etc. And then probably a joint trial with Donna, Misty, Ron and Hope for the trafficking offences. Hope’s lawyer might ask for a separate trial on the basis that the others were more involved, and she wouldn’t get a fair trial if tried with them.

me # 7:06 am About Lisa. I’m surprised she’s not behind bars because of this latest arrest. But maybe that has to be proven, then her probation would be revoked on the fraudulent check charge AND she’d be sentenced for stealing the purse. In the meantime if she’s caught taking drugs, then yes I would think her probation would be revoked.

Judges are allowed to consider whether a person is a convicted felon when handing down sentence in another case. If he is convicted on the B&Es, it could mean more time for him on the trafficking charge if he is convicted on that.

Probation is revoked if a person tests positive for drugs. Here, they can’t even drink alcohol while on probation, or be in a bar even if they are not drinking.

oops. sorry. Bye m2c

Oh, did you mean Lindsay, not Lisa re the drug test?

I have no idea why Lindsay was tested…but in one of the phone calls to Tommy she talks about how she was tested, came up positive for amphetamine, opiates, THC etc, and how they thought it was a mistake and were going to test her again. Maybe it’s DCF testing her?

bye for now m2c.

It’s getting very late here….past my bedtime. I’m thinking you’ll be out the door to the vet shortly cathartic? I sure hope your kitty is feeling better very soon and that he doesn’t have to go through it again…poor little guy.

Maybe if she officially changes her name she could get the name on her degree changed? At least until NG stops following the case, I think it will be a recognizable name.

I so hope today is a better day for you and your kitty cathartic. I’ll check in when I wake up and hopefully hear he’s on the road to recovery! Good nite.

the answer is – Misty knows NOTHING! LE bungled this case big time and are now making a scapegoat of Misty and her posse.
She either came home and haleigh was gone or woke up and haleigh was gone..Get on the ball law enforcement and find haleigh, instead of entrapping small fry with bogus charges.

morning everyone…. just stopped in to see howit’s going.

“Two people will be hurt when she talks…”

Haleigh and Junior.

sintx, I think Haleigh and Jr have already been hurt by this… are you hinting that she may implicate ron and/or misty?

morning tobias! I don’t know if you can view NG episodes ather site or not, but it’s worth a try. It was finally a good one!

Tanya, OMG! I hadn’t heard about that and Ilive in MN!

This is Timothy the Cat and his story has captivated viewers for weeks on our web channel. Sadly Timothy the Cat died from his injuries after he was found glued to a Minnesota highway. Now a reward for information on the crime has climbed to almost $10,000.

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Timothy was found glued to a highway in late December. He was taken in by volunteers with Second Chance Rescue, but sadly he died a few days later. This past Saturday, an anonomous man from Yankton gave $1,000 to be used for reward money. Since then, volunteers say the donations have been rolling in both from South Dakota and Minnesota.

“Putting a 7 month-old kitten glued to a highway when cars are speeding by—that cat had to be terrifed—that bothers me. Timothy was a very friendly cat and very easy to get attached to, so it was sad to watch him go downhill so quickly and hopefully we can find who did it and hold them accountable for it,” said Rosey Quinn of Second Chance.

Tanya, That is a very sad story. I just want to say that most Minesotans would never treat an animal in that fashion… It’s sadder to think that ANYONE would. I know it’s off topic. but alsas, I’m glad you shared it with me.

Tobias – google Nancy Grace….you can actually read the transcripts from the show as well as watch some of the videos. I generally just read the transcripts so I don’t have to hear her voice and watch her roll her eyes and make snarly faces at the guests! I also don’t have to hear her say “secretly recorded video of Misty Croslin” as there is NOTHING secret about them or about them being recorded and she says that a bazillion times during her show. NANCY – EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE BEING RECORDED…THUS, THEY ARE NOT SECRET OR SECRETLY RECORDED! KEEP UP!

JB OMG that is awful!

tobias said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 11:09 am

Wow its quiet here today. I missed NG on tuesday does anyone know where to go to watch it on line? jmo
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someone from websleuths puts them on youtube. I believe it’s Sierra1947

Sorry…WAY off topic. My apologies. Just have a huge soft spot for animals and the discussion of kitties got me going.

JB, Aren’t there laws about stuff like that?Man…that makes my blood boil!

Tobias / Vaquera – let’s face it…NEITHER of these “parents” should have been entrusted with a gerbil, much less children. They BOTH have major issues with drugs and their lifestyles which includes domestic violence, instability, drug use and sales, as well as criminal activity are not suitable for children. To me it is not so much what they’ve done SINCE Haleigh went missing but what they were doing before and they BOTH get failing marks from me.

methinks….I live outside city limits. I called the sherrif’s office and they said the horse was in pain and he put it out of its misery…case closed. I told them that the other horse would end up the same way if something wasn’t done and I got the “we’ll look into it”. I’m livid but don’t know what else to do!

Jennalu – I’m truly hopeful that ME’s theory is spot on because that would mean Haleigh is alive somewhere….but my gut says otherwise. I hope my gut is wrong!

I just finished listening to Misty’s tapes. The things that stuck out to me are:
1) Lisa Croslin speaks of Haleigh in the past tense. “She knew you loved her”
2) The two people that it’s going to hurt — my guess Tommy & Joe.
3) Misty never uses the words THANK YOU! She asks so many people to do things for her but never says please or thank you but they continue to put up with her.
After listening to these I strongly feel Misty knows what happened to Haleigh.

are we supposed to be getting some more tapes soon?

It would mean HaLeigh was alive if MG or JS had something to do with this, and that gives people hope, I think.
My problem with that theory is, if LE thinks this to be a possibility, then why release a statement not long ago that they believe HaLeigh met with foul play? Foul play to me means something really bad happened.

Romewi – I think it was on NG that LP said LE believes part of what Misty is telling them now and part of it they don’t believe. Of course, who knows if LP’s info is worth anything. But it could mean she IS talking and I would bet that what ever story she is telling there is SOME truth to it. Hopefully it will give LE the info they need to crack the case. I am really curious as to why no tapes of Ron have been released recently. Has he stopped talking or is what he’s saying being withheld by LE?

First of all, just want to say how thrilled I am to have found you all. What a great bunch, really nice people, treat each other really well. I know I came across as a big TH groupie lover in my post— and m2c made me laugh when she called it “advertising”— but I just want to say that I am not. More on that if anyone cares.

Anyhow, more importantly, thanks M2C for issuing those cautions in response to my TH post. I completely agree, tread lightly around that guy. I haven’t seen anything that he has done to someone like me, someone who really doesn’t matter, but you never know…

And he did talk to me like I just fell off the turnip truck, but oh well. It was worth it since it was driving me nuts not to have at least one coherent theory that more or less pulled everthying together for me.

Mabye I should change my moniker to TTT, “Turnip Truck Tragedy.” Or T3? Lots more fun than Kate.

Hello Kate and welcome. Most of us tend to want to be provided the facts and then let us come up with our own theories. We don’t want someone shoving their personal theory down our throats or giving any appearance of twisting the facts to suit their own needs. Here at BNN we are given just the facts. If something is stated as opinion, it is stated as such. If it is information that has not yet been confirmed we either don’t get the info or it is issued with a warning and disclaimer that it is unconfirmed. Simon and Jan give us the facts as they know them and a place to discuss those facts and yes, sometimes squabble about our own personal theories. But a better bunch of folks you’ll never find then right here. So welcome!

KIR – missed ya yesterday! I hope you are feeling better….perhaps you should lay off the tapes for awhile! The human mind and body weren’t created to endur listening to the unending whining, complaining and cussing of the Croslin clan for extended periods of time. Those tapes should come with a warning label that states prolonged listening and viewing of these tapes could result in a strong desire to gouge your eyes out, stab your ears with pencils and bang your head on hard surfaces! LOL

Denise, let me know if the link I just posted for you shows up. Sometimes they get stuck in moderation.

The press release was issued Feb. 9, 2010 and here is a portion of it where it mentions foul play in case the link didn’t show.
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PCSO: Haleigh Cummings StatementPosted on February 9th, 2010 by Jan Barrett in Society and Culture, crimeRead 2,308 times.We just received this from TJ Hart – Jan Barrett

Staff Reports

Media Release

February 9, 2010

As many of you know, February 10, 2010 marks the one year anniversary of Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance from her home in Satsuma, Florida. Sheriff Hardy understands the public’s interest in this investigation, and everyone’s desire for the return of Haleigh to her family. Sheriff’ Hardy has asked that the following information be released to the public in an effort to provide insight into the investigative efforts being taken to bring this case to a logical conclusion.

The disappearance of Haleigh Cummings is still being considered an “active” investigation, and a team of detectives are currently assigned to this case. Investigators from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and investigators from agencies throughout the country have invested thousands of man-hours into this investigation thus far.

Here are some of the facts:

* We have received 5,768 leads, all of which have been followed up on by investigators.

* Approximately 600 of the leads received have come from psychics or individuals claiming to have special abilities. All of these leads have been reviewed by investigators, and leads containing specific information that can be verified have been followed up on.

* The majority of the leads received are suggestions or opinions from citizens stating who they believe is responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance, and/or how the investigation should be conducted. These types of leads are reviewed by the investigative team, but many of these require little or no follow up investigation.

* We have conducted formal interviews with 76 different individuals who were identified as having possible information in the Haleigh investigation. DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case.

* 218 separate interviews have been either audio or video recorded by investigators.

* When situations have dictated, investigators have traveled out of state to conduct these interviews.

* We have received 644 reported Haleigh sightings from various cities and locations throughout the United States. Investigators have either personally determined that these were false sightings, or asked for assistance from local law enforcement agencies where the alleged sightings took place to follow up on the information. To date, none of the reported sightings have been determined to be credible.

* FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (i.e. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.

* We have searched thousands of acres, including all property south of Highway 17 near the Cummings residence.

* We have had numerous underwater recovery and search teams search all of the water near the area of the disappearance.

* Aviation assets have conducted several airborne searches.

* K9 assets have searched the area on several occasions.

* Volunteer civilian searchers on foot and horseback searched the wooded areas near the residence.

As previously released, it is very unlikely that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings.

I apologize for the long post. I tried to copy/paste just the part about foul play but I goofed! Sorry.

JB said,in March 11th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
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I’m SO glad you’re here to make things “better” on these bad days, lol! Keep up the comic relief for us!

FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (i.e. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.

This part leads me to believe they have finger prints and DNA that are not from any of the players or on a registary anywhere. So the person was never fingerprinted for an arrest anywhere or had DNA taken anytime(SO known are DNA registared). jmo

Dumb queston: who is TH???? I know its dumb but I have alot of short term memory loss!

methinks: TH = Timothy Holmseth, not a dumb question at all.

Kate, The same person who could wear gloves would not have turned a light on. Would have neverwould have left it on after they left either. jmo

tobias: So the “mexican theory” is that Ronald owed 25-30K to some Mexican drug dealers, right? Along the same lines of what Barbara Freeman said, about the same amount of money, anyhow. It would be interesting to hear more about that, certainly much better than the boxers, there were brief moments of entertainment (groan). But whether or not it relates to HaLeigh’s disappearance is a stretch for me. Although Ronald would have had a number of motivations for saying it to the UC, I do tend to agree with him. (Help! I’m agreeing with RC. No matter, he’ll just deny the statement.) “Dope boys don’t steal your kids…”

I don’t have any first hand experience with dope boys, not that I know of, anyhow, but what good would stealing a kid do them? I read somewhere that someone said that dealers do things just to make statements, to show who is in charge, and that does make sense.

But if that is the case, why is it so hard for LE to get this figured out and what key does Misty hold?

tobias: Oh yeah, I heard Cobra call him that, or even “Crayon Boy,” and I nearly fell off my chair laughing. Whoever came up with that one is brilliant hilarious.

tobias: Perfect answer. But if it was the Sheffield/Griffis and they weren’t all that concerned about getting caught… I do like how that explains that.

tobias said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

methinks, He is refered to on here as the crayon man. He is a reporter from somewhere in Minnisota that Cobra brought in and regretted doing it when the guy started to record phone conversations and spliced them so they are taken out of context and not what the person was really saying. He is worse that the orange one and Hobbit rolled together. lol jmo
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how do you know he spliced them?

But now I see tobias post and must thank him for the answer. I get it— it could just be a statement, it could be to sell her and pay the debt.

Kate, I dont think he sold her I think they came and took her. jmo

There are some also that see it in reverse and if its not the bio mother is would be alien abduction. lets be fair here now. I dont agree that Ron or Crystal did anything directely to Haleigh but some one did and that someone is known to one of them or both of them . jmo

Kate – as with any blog, tempers can flare and giving your opinion can bring about unwarranted floggings from other bloggers. This is a GREAT bunch here and for the most part we’re peaceful…but we do get some driveby’s and the occassional war of words. This case is making all of us nuts and we on occassion will defend our views to our dying breath. We’re happy to have you join us….but you might want to invest in a good pair of waders as sometimes it can get REALLY deep in here. 😀 You might also want to invest in an umbrella (you’ll have to ask m2c about that one). A good helmit can often come in handy to protect your noggin from a bloggin’ floggin’….it isn’t always bluebirds and daisies here….but we’re like a family and even family members fight sometimes. And as our newest member any cow patties left in our blog room will be YOUR responsibility. I already shoveled my share (long story). 😆

I guess if we dont get an answer by Sunday maybe someone can call in and ask? jmo

Got a question for the veterans here..Why DID they call of the search so early after HaLeigh went missing? Is it because they concluded that HaLeigh could not or would not be found? I wonder what they told Tim Miller about why they no longer needed him to search. I just remember the searches were called off early on.
Any ideas?

m2c, thanks so much for the heads up. Strange because, like I can’t think right now who said it most recently, at least it holds the possibility that HaLeigh is alive and even healthy. Most other ideas lead to the unthinkable.

KIR – I don’t think we’ll ever know their reasoning for calling off the search. Could be the evidence they found in the house (that they haven’t told us about) caused them to believe there was foul play from the get go and doing ground searches weren’t getting them anywhere. I think they may have believed they crack one of the key people in the case (like Misty) early on…but that hasn’t happened….yet.

JB, again more smiles. And good emoticons. Thanks.

KeepItReal, well, to be redundant here, and to risk a bloggin’ floggin’, if the PCSO actually knew what happened to haLeigh from the begininng, or even before it happened, then they called off the searches because they just wanted the whole thing to go cold. “Stranger abduction, no clues, sorry Ronald.”

Kate said,in March 11th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
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LOL risk a bloggin floggin!

Kate said,in March 11th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
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So true, kate.
Seems like some of these people would walk a mile to tell a lie rather than stand still and tell the truth!

Now Kate, don’t be hoggin’ all the noggin bloggin floggin….save some for the rest of us. Somehow my day doesn’t feel complete unless someone rips me a new one for something I’ve said in complete innocense! LOL

I was thinking about why we don’t have any new Ron tapes. Maybe it is because Flagler has better recording equipment than Putnam does.

JB, I think we got Ron in the beginning because he was in Flagler then. Didn’t he start out at Flagler and get moved to Putnam?

Where are Misty and Tommy now? They’re still in St. John’s right? Hope started out in Putnam and bonded out from there. Donna’s been in St. John’s all along, too? But in General Population?

JB, no way I’ll be hoggin’ any noggin’ bloggin’ floggin’. I am not as quick as you and didn’t bring up any SeaWorld proposal!! 🙂 All the noggin’ bloggin’ floggin’ be yours ;).

Ah Tilly would spit her out anyways. Too sour.lol

Tobias – pretty bad when a killer killer whale won’t even eat ya! LOL

Kate, I don’t think we know when LE came to any conclusions because they’ve kept all info to themselves. Until someone is charged with a crime in connection to Haleigh we can’t utilize the sunshine law to get info so now all we do is guess. I have a feeling that something in the house was a red flag for them right off the bat. Was it the beds being made? Was it conflicting stories about laundry, something to do with the door? I don’t know…but SOMETHING got their attention. They have some kind of evidence. We just don’t know what it is.

JB, Hmm, I don’t know where I read it (and I don’t think it was Crayon Boy) but I really thought they’d at least said that they didn’t think it was a stranger abduction and were looking most closely at those close to the family, especially Misty and Ron.

Kate, I remember LE saying that they did not think it was a stranger abduction.
I do not think that decision had anything to do with searches necessarily. Unless they had decided not to spend another penny on searches because M could tell them everything they needed to know if they sat around and waited long enough – or locked her up when she got to be 18.

I still think something they found in the house told them this was not a stranger abduction. It could have been a combination of something they found and Misty’s stories not adding up and changing that made them really focus in on the inner circle rather than looking at a stranger abduction scenario. But we really don’t know. Until there are charges brought against someone we aren’t going to know what LE has or doesn’t have…unfortunately. That has been the biggest frustration for me. I started blogging (well, more like became a firefly) with the Caylee case and because we had SO much info on that case from the get go, it has been REALLY frustrating for us to have NOTHING to go on with this case.

“As previously released, it is very unlikely that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings.”

This is all we have to go on. To me this says they found something and coupled with Misty not being able to keep her story straight caused LE to focus on the family and their associates rather than a stranger abduction.

Well, I gotta’ go. I hope that all the kitties are well and just want to say that it has been pure pleasure hangin’ with ya’ll. At least for me, for today, it has been sunshine and daisies, JB!

Kate aka T3

m2c – that is very true – could still be a family member, could be Crystal’s family, could be one of the druggies they ran with…..but SOMETHING caused them to look closer to home rather than looking at a stranger abduction. It could be they have tunnel vision and made an incorrect assumption or they just might have a good piece of evidence that TELLS them without a doubt it was someone known to Ron and Misty. Haven’t a clue what that might be….but I do feel they have something…just wish they’d share it with us! LOL

m2c – I don’t envy TJ. I don’t know how he does it. I would have lost my cool with all the “jello” by now! It seems like everyone involved has something to hide so NONE of them are talking to save their own behinds and to heck with this missing child. Selfish bunch!

Kate said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

m2c, Really good question, why they called off the searches so early. I wish some real journalists were investigating the situation instead of just harrassing “the players.” It’s sad
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PCSO told the families not to search right after the fake search in San Mateo.

The way they “scaled back” almost immediately is what is making me think they found something or have something that is pointing them in the right direction….but not enough to press charges. I’m HOPING that is the case and they just haven’t wasted the last year barking up the wrong tree. That is still a definite possibility but I want so badly for them to be on the right track and for Haleigh to be found so I’m hanging onto any shred of info that LE releases.

Has anyone seen the picture of Misty and one of the Equisearch horses? She is all smiles.
How does that happen when you are looking for a child you say you loved? jmo

Tobias – I don’t want to see that picture! I already want to smack the honeybuns right out of Misty’s mouth!

m2C…I’ll try to help you remember. It is very confusing how they log them out of jail for court…it makes it look like they’ve been released.

Vaquera…you still here? Was the “fake search” the one they led Cobra on or are you talking about something else? TIA

From one video from a local who owns a lot of land around there he said there are mud pits you can sink in up to your kneesand roots you can get tangled up in all over. I think LE was concerned about the average person getting hurt searching or worse, getting lost.jmo

Tobias…the only thing that got me was LE telling searches to cease and desist because of the criminal activity in the area that could be dangerous….if they KNEW there was criminal activity…why didn’t they clean it up instead of just herding people away from it. They obviously knew there WAS criminal activity and knew WHERE it was so why not do something about it and make it safe? That’s what I never understood! I completely understand about the spikers, snakes and gators….they didn’t need another catastrophe with someone dying or getting injured during the search.

So does anyone know what “fake search” Vaquera was talking about? Was that the one they lead Cobra on or something different? And what determined it to be “fake”?

JB @ 4:28 – I amso glad you remember that too. I thought I was the only one who remembered that LE blamed it on “criminal activity in the area.” I thought exactly the same thing you did. Still do.

I can’t explain the fake search to you, JB, as well as others can. I actually can’t explain the “why” at all! LOL! Someone else can probably relay the details better than I can.

JB i beleive the fake search they are refering about it the search that was on the sheffeilds property? IMO

I think it is really sad that Levi Page claims to be a journalist and if you go on his FB page he is constantly speculating that Haleigh is dead and has no evidence to back it up!!

Denise…I guess there are different kinds of journalists….some report the facts…like a news anchor…and some are like Glenn Beck or Nancy Grace who give their opinion. I personally just want to hear the facts but since most major news agencies aren’t covering this case anymore and have moved on to other things…that leaves us getting our info from many sources…some FULL of opinion. That is why I stay RIGHT here! If I want opinion, I’ll get it from my fellow bloggers. 😀

yes thre is alot more about the “fake” search. WE had people falsely saying they were FBI agents and said they found a “bloody” glove and Cobra said he knew it wasnt blood I think he said it looked like tree sap. Then they found keys that belonged to Nay Nay and that is when Johnnny Sheffield (the person that set up the search) said that Misty was driving around all night with Nay Nay the night Haleigh disappeared. When the detective was questioned about the search they did not seem concerned that people were saying that they were an FBI agent and didnt want any “evidence” found at the search in fact they didnt care and didnt want any info about the search…..why wouldnt the detective want to know that someone was pretending to be an FBI agent or want to see the evidence…. this is all weird and I hope that higher up LE would want to know why too.

Thanks Denise for going into detail better then i could!

I wonder if anyone has informed Misty that in prison she will have to work? Most of the prisons in Florida have prisoners work on produce farms etc. She has never worked a day in her life, wake up Misty and talk already. jmo

WOW Denise…you have my head spinning! LOL So much information. Can you please explain the fake search in greater detail? Sorry to nag you on this…I just want to know more about this and understand what took place.

Tobias…Oh, I would LOVE to be there the day they hand Misty a bucket, a rake and some gloves and point her out to a field! LOL She thinks she’s “Special” and a “Star”….and famous people don’t pick no fruit! LOL Oh, I can just hear her….”What chu mean I gots to work in a field? I ain’t @$*%^$ no @*%&#^ fruit! You can go @*$&% yourself and your @(%#& fruit! I EATS fruit but I ain’t PICKIN’ no @%*^&# fruit! I IS SPECIAL!”

Tobias….oh, watch, she’ll claim she is in danger working in the fields with COMMON criminals….she needs to stay in isolation in her secluded cell so she can have front row seats for the movies and fill our her orders for honeybuns and chips…and BY GOLLY they better put that money back in her account for the socks they shorted her! 🙄

I suggest they play some prison movies tonight.lol see ya all later gotto go fix supper. JB keep up the good work lol

Thank You M2C, and you ALL for the well wishes and prayers, they are very much needed and appreciated. Illness is more than I thought, but hope to be on the mends… asap! Will check in later… Bye

Denise: When Levi Page looked up the definition of “investigative journalist” he ended up on the page describing “gossip columnist.” I mean you can’t claim to be Walter Cronkite when you’re acting like Hedda Hopper. Or in more current terms, you can’t claim to be a major news anchor when you’re acting more like the host of “Celebrity Gossip” – at least not if you expect to have any credibility. I think he’s just mixed up. Or maybe conflicted. I don’t know.

m2c – you put that much better than I did with my news anchor / Nancy Grace analogy! LOL

Denise – well, it wasn’t a stretch for LE to arrest these people….I mean, they ALL knew they were under the microscope…and yet they call 911 when they get roughed up buying/selling drugs, have road rage incidents (again calling 911), decapitate a rat and put it in a mailbox (Federal offense I might add), have fist fights and take out restraining orders/get arrested, steal checks, break into homes, steal guns, steal a purse, doctor shop and sell/traffic drugs. Frankly, if LE had NOT busted these people I might be a wee bit outraged! I’m STILL outraged that these people keep getting probation for all their criminal behaviors. I for one believe it is about time they do some time for their crimes…but that’s JMO.

I don’t think LE can win…they let these people get away with criminal activity and people will claim they are getting special treatment…they bust them for their criminal behavior and people claim they are being bullied by LE.

Well, about time for me to call it a day. Take care all! Prayers for Haleigh.

B*A, hope you feel better soon!

JB – Don’t worry. I was just afraid that Cent was sick enough to have had to be in the hospital since we didn’t hear from her today.
Just me worrying. Sorry to alarm everyone!

Denise: From what I’ve read Wayanne Kruger is as if not more questionable than TCH.
I found this but I need to determine the original source:

“Wayanne Kruger, child advocate arrived from Arizona a week ago to lend her support and expertise to Haleigh Cummings’ family in their quest to bring her home.

Kruger, along with bringing more media exposure, promised new ways to raise money for the reward fund and immediately became the family advocate, but it didn’t last long.

Kim Picazio, an attorney representing the Sheffield family, released the following statement Saturday.

“Wanted to thank Kruger for her emotional support…. but at this time she is not associated, affiliated or working for Picazio or the Sheffield family.”

Kruger’s abrupt departure does raise questions, but Neither Haleigh’s family or attorney Kim Picazio would speak to the matter when we contacted them, only saying they want to keep the focus on finding Haleigh.

CBS47/FOX 30 also spoke with Wayanne Kruger over the telephone about her departure. She says she will be supporting the family from her home in Arizona, but declined to speak on camera, because it would be a violation of her confidentiality agreement.”
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IMO and that of many others’ I’ve read she’s a nut.

m2c♥ said,in March 11th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
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Thanks for your post, m2c
That’s what I had heard also but didn’t have a link to support it, so I’m glad you stepped up!

Good morning/afternoon everyone,

I’ve enjoyed reading all your posts and am resisting the temptation to chime in, but have a stack of work I have to get done this morning.

Sorry for the ot, but just want to say I’m really hoping we will hear from cathartic soon that her kitty is ok! I’ll keep checking back in the hopes of reading some good news from her.

Cent, sorry to hear you are suffering…do hope you are on the improve and back posting with us soon.

Methinks…hope your abcess is improving and hope you are feeling better.

m2c♥ said,in March 11th, 2010 at 5:56 pm

Kruger’s abrupt departure does raise questions, but Neither Haleigh’s family or attorney Kim Picazio would speak to the matter when we contacted them, only saying they want to keep the focus on finding Haleigh.
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Yeah, I say it was odd for her to abruptly leave too. Doesnt that make you question why??? Because there is a story there and if you look hard enough you will see why she did that. KP almost killed her trying to hide the fact that Crystal was stealing her medication. so much more going on that what we realized in the beginning mths of the investigation. You cant be so closed minded to say someone is looney when you have no evidence that she has done anything to make you think such a thing. I just think we should put all the info out there and then see what is real and whats not. Nothing I have seen has made me think she is looney. She is all over the net. And alot of people stand behind her as a child advocate.

cent @ 6:18 – I don’t know. It would be fun to look it up. I’ll see if I can find something.
SO GOOD to see you back!

Glad to see you back, cath, and so very glad your kitty is ok!

Yes… if Meds don’t help by Monday.. then I’ll be in there… If I can only really sleep… but my sister is getting on my damn nerves… I bought ear-plugs at the pharmacy today, but she has a super sonic transmitter for a VOICE!!

Buddy, what is your point? Do you have the answers to your ridiculous questions? Or do you just enjoy beating up on a woman who has lost her granddaughter, grandson, and now her son?

JB if you will just google his name TH spelled out with fake search you can read about it.

Buddy, I don’t know all the answers to your questions but I do know that TN was not working at this time. She was unemployed and recovering from a serious surgery at the time Haleigh was kidnapped.

ba cent, if I had received a call my granddaughter was kidnapped and I would have been able to think I would have grabbed a picture thinking they may not want to get one from the house and disturb the crime scene. When she got the call she didn’t know LE had already destroyed the crime scene and taken the bedding where Haleigh was sleeping outside in the wind for the dogs to smell. That stunt still amazes me. Boy scout detectives 101 would have said don’t touch the bed or bedding.

ba cent, hope you are well soon.

CathyJo, where are you?? haven’t seen you in a couple of days.

I had heard TN showed up in her sheriff’s dept. uniform with her badge on. Is this true? If it is true, why would she dress that way when she wasn’t working?

What happened to CathyJo?

Hi, Everyone!

Yes, it sounded like CathyJo was having serious problems with her computer. I hope she can get it fixed and come back soon!

How are you, Treece!

Why did TN need to hire criminal defense attorney Mark NeJame?

Hi, Treece! I’m SO glad you’re feeling better.
Take care of yourself.

I am so tired tonight I think I’ll turn in so I’ll look forward to seeing you all again soon.

Prayers for Haleigh.

Buddy, I have never heard that Nejame was TN’s lawyer. Are you thinking of TM – Tim Miller?
Nejame has been representing him and Texas EquuSearch.

Sorry, I was turning in a while ago. Goodnight, all.

Karon, so am I. Yes, she’s been having a heck of a time with her puter, my sound and vid has been garbled, skippy off/on for a few months now. Just need to make time for my computer guy an “ex-NASA employee” to fix mines. Good-Night all, will be back later if I can’t sleep.

Karon Cox, TN was wearing the jacket they wear at the SO when she rushed to Ron’s the morning Haleigh was found missing.. I have not seen that on her jacket since that time.

cent, sweet dreams, hope you rest well.

CNN.com – TranscriptsFeb 12, 2010 … Joining us tonight, special guest Mark Nejame — he is attorney for …. TERESA NEVES: And I`ll tell you right now, I never loved her more …
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/12/ng.01.html – Cached
Orlando Sentinel – The TV Guy Teresa Neves talked to CBS’ “Early Show” this morning with her attorney, Mark NeJame. Neves said she believes that Misty Croslin-Cummings, …
blogs.orlandosentinel.com/…/haleigh-cummings-grandma-tells-cbs-she-believes-girl-is-alive.html – Cached – Similar

I don’t know of TN having a lawyer.

Have you listened to the Tommy tapes yet?

Treece:

It would have lent an air of ‘I am one of you’. I am not saying that is why she wore it, but I haven’t seen her in it since.

I agree Karon Kox, that was my thought too.

Karon, I have never seen her in it, that’s why I think it was just a rumor. I guess we can look at some of the first video’s and see if we can find one with the jacket. I don’t know what kind of jacket she would have had, she worked in filing in the records dept. I could be wrong though.

Treece:

I heard that was what she was wearing, but I am not sure. I wish we knew for sure.

Treece:

I know Mark was representing her for a fact. I never usnderstood what for. I don’t need to google it.

They were on the Early Show together Aug. 19, 2009

If you google TN and click image the photo of her and Ron in the blue strip shirt is the one you want.

Thanks Keep It Real. I know Mark was being introduced as her lawyer, and he was sitting there and didn’t correct the statement.

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2009/02/12/n...

This might be a jacket with le on it can’t tell for sure. It has a star emblem

Just a quick look before I call it a day. M2C, saw where you were trying to remember to tell me that Hope didn’t actually bond out, just confusion when she had a court appearance or whatever. That makes sense. I remember that morning when Misty appeared in court and there were posts about her bonding out and then she was back in. So Hope is there, in Putnam County… for all that is worth. I’m so tickled that you wanted to remember to explain that to me. You choke me up.

Wayanne Kruger was a topic while I was gone. At first I thought she was a flake and then I warmed up to her. Her heart sure is in the right place. And she was actually there with the Sheffield/Griffis clan for a few intense days, at least, so I really value what she has to say. Her experience was real, not virtual :).

Thanks Buddy. I found it. I knew I had seen that picture early on.

Treece: I found the picture googling like Buddy told us to do. The Mark NeJames site came thru, but the picture of TN didn’t.

I posted the jacket as a photo at 10:33 and on a video at 10:37. It will probably come up later. It may be what you found on google for may be a little different but it is the black jacket with a star.

KeepItReal said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

Karon and Buddy, you are both correct. Nejames was TNs lawyer.
Here is a portion of the article that talks about them being on the Early Show together:

Still, Teresa Neves, Haleigh’s grandmother, said on “The Early Show” Wednesday she doesn’t think Croslin-Cummings had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.

“I hope she did not,” Neves said, referring to the investigation. ” … This will hopefully clear some things up and they’ll know what’s going on.”

Neves’ attorney, Mark NeJame, said on the show that Croslin-Cummings’ story during a five-hour gap between 10:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. is in question.
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He wasn’t Teresa’s personal attorney nor acting as an attorney for Ron. He was in the same capacity as he was with the Anthony’s in the beginning.

Karon Cox said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

I had heard TN showed up in her sheriff’s dept. uniform with her badge on. Is this true? If it is true, why would she dress that way when she wasn’t working?
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not true. She had a sweater on that was from the ACSO with their insignia on it. Like here people who work in the sheriff’s dept will be seen with windbreakers/sweaters on that have the sheriff’s dept. logo on it.

Buddy said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

Why did TN need to hire criminal defense attorney Mark NeJame?
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she didn’t hire him or any criminal defense attorney. when he helped the Anthony’s he was not working as a criminal defense attorney.

Buddy,

The only person I know in this mess that is associated with PCSO is Johnny Sheffield. Do you know when he was fired/asked to leave PCSO? I’m wondering if he still has some mates there and if that’s why his side of the family wasn’t being closely looked at at the beginning. He showed up in army fatigues, which I found a bit odd.

TN’s jacket means nothing to me. She got there in such a hurry she probably grabbed the closest jacket, and I doubt she’s rich enough to own a lot of coats for each season. Why the fixation on her jacket?

IMO, Mark Nejame was part of the travelling circus and just another lawyer, like KP, wanting his NG appearances and 15 minutes of fame out of Haleigh’s disappearence. TN was never charged with a crime or suspected of anything….he wasn’t needed, but he obviously offered to help them. I’m guessing he was there for the same reason he got involved in the Anthony circus….likes to see himself on tv….I hope he’s cut back on the make up he wears for those tv appearances…it creeped me out!

vaquera,

ITA. And I’m very curious as to why LE is talking to Chad again. I think we will see at least one person from that side of the family arrested in the near future.

Me, when is Le talking to chad again, I didn’t know it but am sure glad to hear it.

me said,
in March 11th, 2010 at 11:47 pm

vaquera,

ITA. And I’m very curious as to why LE is talking to Chad again. I think we will see at least one person from that side of the family arrested in the near future
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LE is talking to chad again? I must of have missed that. Not like Chad hasn’t hid a kid from their mother before.

treece,

I think it was on February 14th, TJ said that he heard that they were speaking to Chad again, and TJ called LE to confirm, and they refused to confirm or deny it. If they weren’t talking to him, I would have thought it would be appropriate to deny it.

Buddy,

What people are talking about re the fake search is the one conducted by the Sheffield side of the family…at least one of the searchers reported their activities to LE when she became aware that they had planted evidence…if you google it, PCSO Major Gary Bowling had some interesting things to say about it in an interview in December.

Me too, duh!

I really feel that that side of the family is at the top of the suspect list for LE now. I base this on PCSO Major Bowling’s statements about the fake search, the fact they came out with the statement in January which was quite different to the Misty is the Key stuff (they were talking about not having tunnel vision and made it clear they were looking elsewhere), Chad is being re-investigated etc. I do feel there will be arrests soon….I so hope they have kept Haleigh alive somewhere.

Vaq, yes I am blonde and my BP has been up making me loopy so I told my family I am double blonde right now and not responsible. lol

Me the tragic thing is that they weren’t totally investigated at the very start, every single one on both sides of the family and all croslins should have been checked out and accountable to prove good alibis. It was just a mess right up front, not just look at one parent’s side.

the answer is – Misty knows NOTHING! She and her posse have been entrapped and are being setup to take the fall for Law Enforcement’s ineptitude..LE couldn’t find their arses with both hands and a magnifing glass..

OJ sometimes you come on here and have such intelligent things to contribute. The next time you come on here like a crude juvenile that needs a spanking. What is your deal?

me, too bad they haven’t all been water boarded until they sing like a bird – this could have been over with alot sooner and little Haleigh be back home and the rest of us celebrating.

Buddy ,

Who in Haleigh’s family has had a LD test?

Good morning everyone! I thought I would check on here again to see if there is any news or confessions today-guess not. It is so frusturating as I am sure you all agree. What is more upsetting is that my original thoughts on it being Tommy and Joe that took Haleigh is starting to sway. Now, I am really just looking at all of them as suspects. It is crazy how you can find a reason that would make some sense for any of them to do it and cover it up. I wish this was over already : (

ky mom:
There is no way to be sure about who really failed or passed. We can only go on what LE has “sort of” said. And they don’t have to tell the truth plus “passing” and “failing’ LDTs is pretty meaningless. That’s why they are not allowed to be used as evidence in court.

I don’t know how many LDTs M took from LE. As far as the LDT, voice test and hypnosis that were administered by someone TM hired, I think they are garbage for several reasons including that they were incorrectly and unprofessionally administered. So those tests also mean nothing to me.

It’s not that I think she’s telling the truth or lying. I just can’t give any of those tests any credibility.

I just don’t see how Misty could have sleep through Haleigh getting kidnapped.

I read somewhere that Crystal failed a drug test.
How does she still have custody of Jr.?

Ronald should have been at home taking care of him and not out selling drugs….. I feel sorry for Jr…

vaquera said,in March 11th, 2010 at 11:49 pm it’s 61 miles, I don’t think it takes an hr and a half to drive it but, so what if it did. Lots of people all across america commute that far and farther to work.

where are you suggesting that she was living the night Haleigh went missing
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It is a 1 1/2 hour drive at best with no traffic or accidents.

Get directions from map quest and see for yourself.

Yes, a lot of people commute for jobs but, how many drive that far for a $5.83 an hour job with the price of gas??

Buddy, what is your point? Now you don’t think she really ever had that job or what?

And if you don’t think people will travel that far to have ANY kind of decent job these days, I don’t know what planet you’re phoning in from. Could you specify please? NASA would probably be interested.

Yes, Jr was at day care thank goodness. Misty also said they had to hurry because Ron needed to pick JR up. Poor little guys world was turned upside down again. Sissy is missing, praying she will come home soon, daddy had to go away praying he will be home soon too.
What kind of damage has all this done to the poor baby?

Tip Toe, Tip Toe…don’t mind me…I’m just going to sneak over to the couch and stay out of everyone’s way…..It’s Friday and I’m too dang happy about that to get a bloggin noggin floggin so early in the morning!

I guess I am from the planet that if I had to work a minimum wage job I would look for one closer to home, not drive over an hour and a half one way to get to one. 3 hour travel time -10.00 for gas = 4.83 an hour. I guess I am from the planet that feels my time is worth more than 4.83 an hour.

Morning, JB! I “see” you! LOL! But you can be a couch potato as long as you like especially since it IS FRIDAY! Hooray!

Buddy, I’m sorry but I still do not understand your point about the job. You don’t think she should have taken that job?

Also, lots of people think their time is worth more than $4.83. Some of them are right. But with jobs as scarce as they have been sometimes people don’t have a choice. Or perhaps they DO have a choice and the better job is farther even if it doesn’t pay as much. Or the better job also has benefits.

As I said, I still don’t understand what you are trying to say about the job.

Hello – I haven’t met any of you but can only go by that you are here because you care…I think we go back and forth and argue about this side or that side because we just can’t comprehend any of this. We are trying to apply logic and reason to chaos. It is hard for me to find sympathy for Crystal because I could never be away from my kids – ever. If I had drug problems and needed to stay away, I would still be involved any way I could. Same goes for Ronald. (Like all of them…) He spends 1/2 the phone calls talking about stupid call logistics. How about – How is Junior? What did he do today? What Valentines did he pick out for school? Has he learned to tie his shoes? Pooping ok (a parent’s constant concern)? How is he doing with the alphabet? You get the picture. That said – my sister has a son and the father is an alcoholic & druggie. He lives across the country and has only met his son 3 times!!! Her son is now 20. He calls about once every 3 months. He will talk non-stop to my sister about his life and recent “bouts with bad luck”. My sister will interrupt and say – your son is fine. It is so sad and completely incomprehensible to me. Oh well – that little tirade will get us no where toward finding Haleigh – I just needed to vent.

Buddy, “Hello!” Are you aware of the HUGE campaign MG and KP mounted against R to GET CUSTODY starting very shortly after Haleigh disappeard. That is what fell thru. That could well have been part of the plan. But it backfired. It did not work. If we are to believe KP it’s because she found out that as a lawyer she could not legally say that C was the better parent because of her drug abuse.
So YES it could have been part of the plan and frankly it LOOKS like it because of the timing AND what MG did.
What ended up happening was that R effed up royally and C lucked out royally.

Anybody here right now? I’ve been reading to catch up since I checked out last night. lol, m2C, “NASA would probably be interested…”

Kate @ 10:57 – Well I’m always supportive of our space programs since SO many people I know** LIVE OUT THERE! LOL! I visit occasionally myself! 🙂

(** people I know in real life not just on the web)

Good morning everyone.
Was just reading along and had a few thoughts to add in regards to the theory that CS and/or her side of the family may have taken Haleigh.
My thoughts on that are that “if” CS or her family members had taken Haleigh one would think that after everything that has happened with the drug bust, charges and arrests and now with C having custody of Jr. that there would be some type of re-appearance of little Haleigh. That has not happened.

I was also thinking about how CS and KP were attempting, at great lengths it so appears, to get custody of Jr.
How far would you go to try to put your Child in a safe place under the circumstances? Especially after finding out your Daughter is missing and that the ones entrusted to watch her were drugged out on a binge the three days prior to her disappearance etc etc etc….?
The issue as I saw it is that although C had concern for her son’s safety she herself appeared to be in no shape to be doing any suchathing at that time as she had her own level of issues to account for.
At this time I have not a doubt in my mind that DCF would yank Jr. and little Chloe away from C in a hot second if she were unable to follow their specific guidelines and requirements especially after she had allegedly failed a drug test.

This is a high profile case and all of these people are walking a fine line. There is not much any of them can do right now that won’t be and/or hasn’t been reported to the media.

m2c… Yes Jr. was at a daycare, but he it not safe when he gets picked up and the adults are so high. Driving messed up with children in the car makes me sick to my stomach. Did the workers at the daycare notice this. They do have a right not to release a child if they have any doubts parents are under th influcene of anything.

Also, Lindsey knew Tommy has messed up when he passed out at the bus stop. She is just as guilty. Did he ever get in trouble for that, how can the children not be removed. I guess when something terrible happens is when DCF really get involed. I hope they just don’t wait too late.

Tuffstuff, Thats what alot of us were hoping would happen too. That she would show up alone in a Walmart or somewhere, but it didnt happen.
Thats why I dont understand how the hidden theory works, why would she still be hidden now that Crystal has Junior? Ron isnt likely to be getting out in the near future and unless Crystal really screws up she will get custody. jmo

While I’m keeping an open mind to all options, I just don’t see how the Crystal clan could pull this off either. None of them showed THAT much interest in these kids in the first place so I don’t know why they would go to these extreme measures…and there still was no guarantee they would get Jr out of the deal. That only happened because Ron screwed up. As crazy as the Mexican drug thug theory sounds, it fits better with all the of facts better, at least for me, then any other theory. I just don’t see Ron and Misty acting the way they have if Crystal’s side or anyone else for that matter, were to blame for Haleigh’s disappearance. Their actions just don’t jive for me.

I mean if Ron would have thought for a second that Crystal and her family took Haleigh I think he would have been all over them tearing the farm apart looking for her. And if he thought that Misty had done something to Haleigh I think he would have beat her within an inch of her life. If he thought Cuz Joe or Tommy had something to do with it I think he would have already killed them as well. That’s partly why I think he KNOWS what happened to Haleigh and who took her and that he is somehow at least partly to blame for it (drug debt?). Again, all options are on the table but so far this makes the most sense to me as far as how people have acted during this whole mess.

JB, I agree the people in jail now have all acted out of chatacter since the beginning.
I hope LE gets one of them to talk soon. jmo

You know what really did it for me was when Ron found out about WBG and the media got hold of it too. He still stood by her, with the rep. Ron has that is way out of chatacter, and now after he has been in jail and used the N word its even more out of character. jmo

All Crystal had to do to stay out of jail was to make a payment towards what she owed. Some of my riends are still getting late child support payments for their kids( the kids are already college age). This happens all the time and the jail time is like only 30 days in county. jmo

ky mom said,
in March 12th, 2010 at 8:01 am

m2c,

Thanks for the info.

So Misty is the only one that failed? How many has Misty taken like 5
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who said she failed the 3 LDT that LE gave? LE hasn’t said who passed or failed.

Hey all,

I still believe stranger abduction could be the answer. In cases like that sometimes the “stranger” targets a child, gets to know habits/schedules of the family, etc., then watches and waits.

The stranger could have known Ronald worked nights and Misty was his regular babysitter during those nights. The stranger might have known, by watching for a while, that Misty sometimes left the MH during her babysitting shifts, perhaps leaving a door unlocked when she left.

If Haleigh was taken by someone she knew, or taken and then delivered by someone she knew, how would she ever resurface at any point? She was 5 years old and that is old enough to name names of people she knew.

Even if Haleigh was kidnapped for her own welfare by or on behalf of her mother’s family, that would mean Crystal would not be able to visit her, ever. Nor Marie, Johnny, Jr., or anyone Haleigh knew. Because as soon as she resurfaced, she could be questioned and would be able name anyone she knew that she had seen while she was kept in hiding.

The only way this could have been done by the bio-mom or her family would be if they hired someone Haleigh did not know, and then placed Haleigh with someone she did not know, with the plan being for Haleigh to reappear unharmed in a public place fairly soon after being taken. But then the case got so much publicity that Haleigh’s reappearance could not happen as planned.

Either of these scenarios is possible, imo.

I have more to say but I know how long posts are hated so I will continue in another post.

(please forgive typos)

Jr was not in day care, he was in pre school. Just thought I’d clear that up.

Buddy, do you even know what Teresa did at ASCO? I seriously doubt they pay their employees a little over 5 an hour and it’s a county job not state.

If it were a stranger abduction Cath and if we go by what Misty has stated in the more recently released jail house tapes, then what two people will be hurt over what Misty has to say?
From what information we have been given thus far there is no evidence of a stranger abduction. It makes it hard for us nobodies when LE cannot reveal what evidence they do have but based on what we do know it seems thus far that a stranger abduction is also less likely.

Do any of you remember what TJ said on the last program about one of the mexicans in Crescent city being missing? He says it probably has nothing to do with it but there is a missing person of mexican decent. I will havee to go back and listen more closely to the show . bbl

That’s possible Cath you are right. The thing is though, if Misty points fingers at people then she would have to provide evidence and be able to swear under oath. I for one am holding firmly on to the notion that LE knows what they are doing.

Also, On one tape Tommy busted out Jeff Hardy’s son, Josh does more pills then him!!!!!

I posted above on how the bio-mom might have pulled this off, only because I have not ruled out anyone in either family, and also have not ruled out stranger abduction.

However, I lean more toward Misty and Ronald being involved, either directly or indirectly.

I do not think Ronald did anything directly to Haleigh. I think Misty may or may not have done anything directly.

I believe Misty has not told LE everything about that night. Either she knows what happened, or she was not there when it happened, imo.

We all know that children have been taken from their beds while other family members slept. And in many of those cases, family members were considered suspect, in some to the point of LE not bothering with any other scenario.

That said, I do not know of any case where a child was abducted from the same room where a parent was sleeping. Elizabeth Smart was taken from a room where here little sister slept. Polly Klaas was taken from her room with some of her friends there on a sleep-over. But those friends saw the perp and went immediately to her parents to report what happened.

I will not say it was impossible for Haleigh to have been taken from a bed three feet from a sleeping Misty, but I do not see it is likely. Two kids sleeping in the room, plus an adult, seems to me someone would have been awakened. The only way I see this is the scenario is if the kids were alone. Someone came in and took Haleigh and didn’t have to worry if Jr. woke up or not; he could not ID them and he may have been viewed as too young to describe what he saw accurately.

So, Misty was home and knows what happened, or she was not home when it happened. It is possible what Misty has not been honest about is that she left the kids alone. Also possible is that someone came in, maybe Tommy/Joe or both, and Misty is covering. Or, Haleigh died accidentally and they came to help Misty cover up.

The only problem I have with it being Tommy, Joe, or Misty, is this: Ronald would have found out. T, J, or M do not have a combined IQ anywhere near what it would take to have done the deed without a trace, and then keep quiet. They do alcohol and drugs; one of them would have let something slip, somewhere, to someone. Ronald has connections; he WOULD have found out if any of the three were involved in any way, and he would have acted accordingly.

That said, if it was M, T, or J, or any combination of, it somehow involves Ronald. Indirectly, probably, but it involves him somehow. To rat on them would put him in the limelight also.

That leave me thinking accidental death, likely by ingesting a drug. And the drug was Ron’s, or they told him it was. They staged the scene before he got home and he had no choice but to go along with it.

The reason I suspect Cummings/Croslin more than Sheffield/Griffis, is the behavior of Ron and Misty in the days and weeks after Haleigh went missing. The wedding. Laughing it up at amusement parks. Cavorting all over the place and spending money like it was going out of style. And one more thing, which I find very telling is:

Ronald Cummings would give no information on his personal life. He would always say questions about that were irrelevant and just took the focus off Haleigh.

Think back to Scott Peterson. When asked about his personal life, he said exactly the same thing. It was irrelevant and only took the focus off Laci.

If my child had been kidnapped, my personal life would be an open book. I would not care how many sins it revealed. I would want LE to know anything and everything about me, my acquaintances, my family members, EVERYTHING. And I can tell you right now, if my child had been kidnapped I would not have been cavorting around, laughing and having a good old time. If my child was missing without a trace, I doubt I would ever smile again.

I am not trying to “sell” the “bio-mom’s side did it” theory as THE answer. It is just ONE of many theories I have and I like it because it’s about the only one I can think of where Haleigh would be alive and well taken care of. It’s just one theory to keep in mind (along with ones implicating R, M, T, and and SO) – for me – until something PROVES it’s not right.
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Buddy @ 11:39 – Again, I ask, what is your point about the job????? How does your point relate to the case?
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Waitingfor good news at 11:39 am
“m2c… Yes Jr. was at a daycare, but he it not safe when he gets picked up and the adults are so high.” Yes. No question. I mentioned that Jr was at daycare that only because someone had said R should have been home taking care of Jr. I was just pointing out that Jr was not at home. And I agree with you about T and Lindsy. In later statements it’s clear she knew he was hooked on these drugs.
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Michelle @ 11:44 – It IS hard to understand others’ motives. What on earth could they have been thinking? Did they even HAVE a plan for later on? Like the case last year of a little boy kept in a secret room by his mother and grandmother to keep him away from his father!
What did THEY think was going to happen eventually? I sure don’t know. But they hid that boy anyway.
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Nothings has ever led me to think Crystals family could be behind this. Every thought I have points to Misty, Ronald, Tommy, & Joe. The way Misty talks in the tapes it sure sounds like she knows something. I just can’t figure out how they are getting away with this. What is missing?

m2c♥ said,in March 12th, 2010 at 1:22 pm Looking for payback, custody, and a way to get C out of a huge and growing debt (among other possible motives)

How would this have gotten her out of debt? She would still have owed backpay. She could not have known someone was going to pay off her debt.

Hello Gang… tried to read and get caught up on the posts. I’m wondering why Hope’s audios have not been released, doesn’t she have the lowest amount of bond? Is no one trying to spring her, not even her mother? I find it fishy, just as I do Katrina’s actions… speeding off!
**But as you know, I’m suspicious of all of them**

Got to go rest… see ya later! Have a great day!

Romewi said,in March 12th, 2010 at 1:30 pm m2c♥ said,in March 12th, 2010 at 1:22 pm Looking for payback, custody, and a way to get C out of a huge and growing debt (among other possible motives)

How would this have gotten her out of debt? She would still have owed backpay. She could not have known someone was going to pay off her debt.
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I totally agree, she would still owe the debt, so to me it’s a non-issue. Also wanted to state that everyone that thinks she was a shitty mom because she didn’t get Haleigh to her appts needs to remember that during that time period she lived with Ron, and he should have been just as responsible as she was. Also, what others see as laziness in Crystal I am starting to believe is depression. I think she could have been very depressed after the birth of the childen which makes it very hard for someone to get out of bed when it’s severe enough, then top that off with trying to obtain custody and losing and most moms would have suffered severe if not criplling depression . JMO

Sorry, my second paragraph above was to respond to Romewi.

BBL folks! Great discussion!

It is obvious all three (R,M & T) want out of jail…DESPERATELY….and I truly believe that if they KNEW who did this they would have told LE by now to get out of jail…UNLESS 1) they fear for their safety (i.e. Mexican drug thug theory) or 2) They are responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance and know they will do MUCH more time for the truth than they are facing with the drug charges. And as much as Misty has been hounded for the last year does she expect us to believe that she would suddenly be able to tell the truth about that night? If so, why didn’t she tell it sooner? The only reasons I can think of are provided above….drug thug or guilty of causing/being a part of Haleigh’s disappearance.

Sorry…totally agree.

I know this will sound weird but I have to write it after relistening to the show. TJ says Ron did tell several people including himself the bed was made. Could the blankets and sheets have been washed after she was gone?
Misty washed and dried the sheets and not thinking made the bed with the cleaned sheets.
Then waited for Ron to come home. jmo

That would mean something happened to her in the bedroom….why wash the sheets??? Where was Jr. through all this?

At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case.

http://www.pcso.us/2009-8-17-a

just thought I’d post that PCSO said Ron/Crystal are not considered a suspect and more than likely it is non stranger abduction.

I don’t know what Teresa’s job has to do with Haleigh being gone and who cares how far she drove to work, it has no bearing on this case.

Romewi….one of my early theories was that Misty WAS entertaining, probably partying too…(sex for fix thing)…and Haleigh walked in on them (was supposed to be sleeping) and the guy hurt Haleigh or they drugged her to get her to go back to sleep (thus the overdose). If Haleigh got hurt then perhaps Tommy and Cuz Joe came over to help cover up the crime and dispose of the body. Or if it was an overdose perhaps Misty didn’t realize Haleigh had OD’d until she started to go to bed and then called Tommy to come help her….BUT…neither scenario explains Ron’s behavior…..I thought maybe Misty told him Haleigh got into his pills and OD’d and so that might explain it….and, since all would be at least partially involved they all keep quiet and cover for each other….but even these theories have some issues…..LOL

I was thinking about the “two people who are going to get hurt” and here is a possibility that would explain a lot of things. The two people could well be Nay Nay and/or Amber and/or Sarah Sheffield. Stay with me on this one…

There are a number of ways it could have gone but it could have been them who got HaLeigh to, let’s say, Chad, and Chad was gone until 5 am because he drove her wherever.

They could have taken HaLeigh when she was asleep. But HaLeigh knew them, I would think, so she wouldn’t be afraid if she was awake or if she woke up.

Misty doesn’t want to hurt Nay Nay which is why she’s never said anything and Amber is the one they sort of care about. There was that cat fight between during the “3 day drug binge” and there was that stuff on the internet, MySpace, I think, about how Misty at one point said that she was going to get Amber’s child as well. And Amber still wanted Ronald, I assume…

I have a lot more to say about this but I am going to go ahead and post it. You all will probably be able to talk about a lot of the things I am thinking, anyhow.

More on “maybe it is Nay Nay and Amber and/or Sarah Sheffield” who Misty hurt when she talked…

I always wondered about that episode where Ron and Misty were driving around Amber’s grandmother’s apartment building. I think it was in April or May. The report was that they had Jr., accompanied by some unidentified guy, go up to the grandmother’s apartment and ask for Jordyn.

I’ve thought that they did intend to take Jordyn and that their plan was to “force” someone to “give HaLeigh back.”

Yes, there are details to be ironed out but there could well be a connection there.

Does anyone that twitters know what happened to TJ? iT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IF HE IS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT? What happened?

Hey guys…move to the new article…this one is taking forever to refresh…..see you guys over there!

Buddy said,in March 12th, 2010 at 9:54 am I guess I am from the planet that if I had to work a minimum wage job I would look for one closer to home, not drive over an hour and a half one way to get to one. 3 hour travel time -10.00 for gas = 4.83 an hour. I guess I am from the planet that feels my time is worth more than 4.83 an hour.
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Personally I respect someone who would rather travel to a job and earn a living than someone who sits at home, living off the government with the excuse that they would have to drive too far to get to work.

tobias said,in March 12th, 2010 at 11:46 am Thats why I dont understand how the hidden theory works, why would she still be hidden now that Crystal has Junior?
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Ummmm….maybe life insurance….and let’s not forget HaleighBug….kinda hard to ask people to support your family after the child is found. And kinda hard to sell all those tshirts and bracelets Marie’s hawking.

If the Sheffield side did it, it was about money, imo. I wouldn’t expect Haleigh to surface until such time as LE finds her.

cathartic said,in March 12th, 2010 at 12:46 pm Tuff Stuff, Misty might be naming people as involved that were not. She might do anything to get herself out of jail or get her drug charges reduced. What Misty says will be mostly lies, but maybe with a sprinkling of truth.
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That is what I think re Misty “talking” too.
Hoping your kitty is improving??

cathartic said,in March 12th, 2010 at 12:33 pm Hey all,

I still believe stranger abduction could be the answer. In cases like that sometimes the “stranger” targets a child, gets to know habits/schedules of the family, etc., then watches and waits.
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I agree with your thoughts on this too!

And it’s interesting that the closest RSO to where Haleigh lived was Kyle Johns….only 500 feet away….coincidence that he’s related to Marie? Hmmmmm.

just one said,in March 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Also wanted to state that everyone that thinks she was a shitty mom because she didn’t get Haleigh to her appts needs to remember that during that time period she lived with Ron, and he should have been just as responsible as she was.
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Actually, that’s not true. You should read the transcripts from the actual hearing…they are quite enlightening.

me said,in March 12th, 2010 at 5:08 pm just one said,in March 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Also wanted to state that everyone that thinks she was a shitty mom because she didn’t get Haleigh to her appts needs to remember that during that time period she lived with Ron, and he should have been just as responsible as she was.
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Actually, that’s not true. You should read the transcripts from the actual hearing…they are quite enlightening.
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Actually I read all of them, and he was receiving donations thru Watt’s Funeral Home far quicker then Marie. Jus saying

JB,
That stinks about TJ, isn’t that where we get most of the news from on this site?

Tuff Stuff,

I agree, I don’t see why they would have tried to pull it off, but anything is possible. If it were me in that situation I wouldn’t even attempt for the possibility of getting my child taken away or myself going to jail. They could have been desperate to get her out of that environment, but why leave the boy? It wouldn’t make sense. So for me, I go back to the Tommy/Joe theory or the drug od, or Ron hurting her. Crystal’s family would have def. been the preferred choice. At least you would know she was safe and not dead. I just don’t know.

cathartic said,in March 12th, 2010 at 6:24 pm me @ 4:53

LOL, me…even in a stranger abduction scenario you have to have Marie involved!
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LOL…just read back and see what you mean! Actually, I do believe it could have been an RSO who was unknown to anyone in the case.

Guess I just get frustrated by the fact that everyone has looked into every possible distant relative of the Cummings and Croslins (some now even want info re TN’s new boyfriend!), yet everyone wants to overlook all the criminal characters on the other side of the family!

cathartic,

As for despising Marie…I put her in the same category as Lisa Croslin but worse. Running a drug house with young children in it, not ensuring your children get the free education every child should have, letting her child move out and in with a guy at 14 etc. I can’t respect any mother who does that to her children.

m2c,

Yep, fundraising for the family appeared to be MG’s top priority when Haleigh went missing, and I believe she wanted it all for herself, hence the trashing of Ron.

I’d love to see her computer records for the months leading up to Haleigh’s disappearance. I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out she did some research in relation to fundraising, foundations etc.

Regarding Tommy, he said in an earlier tape, “Tell Misty (to tell what she knows and)not to be makin’ up no stories.” I’m pretty sure those are the exact words or close to it. Back then, I thought it was plausible that he was just protesting that he was innocent of the B & E’s. Now, though, he’s saying Misty won’t ever tell if she knows anything about Haleigh–and if she *does* tell anything about Haleigh, it’ll be a “big f***in’ lie.” His continuous insistence in this vein sounds like it could be advance damage control. Forgive me if this is repeated info.

ThugC4Christ, I think that letter is going to be one of those, love ya, love ya, love ya, please don’t leave me, promise me you will wait on me, I think I will die without you, selfish, selfish bs to make her feel sorry for him and all these false promises of how it will be when he gets out.

Buddy, Ron never sold any t shirts or buttons. They were sold directly from Watts and the funds were put in a bank acct. Ron did not have direct access to that acct. He was reimbursed on a few things that were approved expenses. He DID NOT make money from that acct. If you want to follow the money you best look at the other side of the family.

Here is what I think… Misty is covering up for Ron. I think that he married her to show her his “undying love” for her. She is just a kid. She is also madly in love with him. You notice that he has never (since all this happened), had a bad word to say about her. He never even looked at her as a suspect. That is pretty good for a guy that that has verbally and physically abused women. I can not help from thinking that he is remaining loyal to her (even married her), to keep her constantly reminded that he is loyal to her. Why? So she will be just as loyal to him by not snitching on him. I mean really, this is a guy that swore that he would kill some one if they took his child. I find it hard to believe that during this past year, that he did not get her in the back room and do what EVER he had to do to make her talk or remember. This is the last person to see his child alive, and all he can say when questioned by NG about what misty says happened is ” just the same story she told every one else”. Bull crap! Which story? Hey I could be way off track here but in my opinion, he is being way to nice to someone that he, any other time would at least would have threatened her (and that is putting it nicely). Little girls do funny things for love. And grown men do manipulative things to little girls. Maybe Tommy did help with some part of this mess (I think that is why he is afraid to talk), but I think Misty is “protecting her man”, and Tommy is saving his own butt for his involvement (after the crime). I think he got involved in the first place out of “loyalty” to Misty. As far as Ron, I am willing to bet that he is their man!