Some additional 5 hours of video and audio were released this morning. WSKY 97.3 have the DVD’s and right now both TJ Hart and I are working our way through the material. You can expect updates throughout the afternoon.
The files are very large and so we are trying to decide on the best way of making the important ones available to readers. I have been told that the Donna Brock phone calls are in this data dump, however I have not personally heard them yet. I have also been told that the audio quality is poor, it will take some time to actually analyse the information.
Most of us that are covering the search for Haleigh Cummings are quietly optimistic that with the major players Misty Croslin, Tommy Croslin and Ronald Cummings firmly behind bars the finish line on resolving the question of where is Haleigh may be in sight.
One thing is very apparent from all of the audio and video that has been released, none of those involved paid any attention to the warnings that their phone calls and visits would be taped!
I also want to let people know that it is our intention to run a special program on BTR tomorrow at 1pm Eastern to discuss the new developments, we will also be running our regular Sunday program at 4pm eastern.
UPDATE: these files are so huge, that we are still trying to wrestle them to the ground! Even the TV folks are having issues with them. Also the Donna Brock material is almost incomprehensible. The audio quality is so poor that itis going on the back burner for right now.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackback“none of those involved paid any attention to the warnings that their phone calls and visits would be taped!”
Do we really think they are THAT stupid. I dont. They dont care because they had NOTHING to do with Haliegh.
In the conversation between Ron and Teresa that they aired last night it is apparent that Ron knew he was being recorded. He stated ” just between you and me and whoever is recording this” ” do you think she will talk?” Teresa says “hmmmm” Hel releases info that the cops want him to pull on Mistys heart strings to see if she will talk to him and tell him about Haleigh. PLEASE!!! he got nothing in the 5 months he was married to her and she definitely would not tell him anything now. He is fooling noone. If this is what he was going to do then why would he release that info so it could get back to Misty? Tipping her off again. JMO
Does anyone know who this Jason guy is that is going to each Ron and Misty with info. Misty mentioned him in her phone conversation to Timmy and now Ron mentioned him in his conversation with Teresa.
bjb I’m starting to feel the same way you do. One would think that if misty knew, She would have said by now. I just don’t know. I honestly doubt that ron knows anything after that last call to his ma, but then these people have most folks buffaloed thinking they are dumb. I, for one am becoming very discouraged. I do wish people would stop attacking LE, they are trying like hell to get to the bottom of this, and people just keep giving them crap.
This is what constantly amazes me about this case. All this media reporting taking at blind faith what LE says
“resolving the question of where is Haleigh may be in sight”–Simon, you have NOTHING to substantiate this, except LEs bizzare and UNSUBSTANTIATED claim that “MIsty holds the key”. Do you NOT question this premise? Does it make sense to you that in A YEAR, Misty has said NOTHING? That in a YEAR, LE, FBI, FDL could get NOTHING out of an illiterate 17 year old? That Misty DOES NOT CARE if she is being recorded? THat all her family can say to SAVE HER FROM LIFE IN PRISON is–Misty, IF you know something, now is the time.” The operative word there is “IF”. THat a drug addict strung out on memory altering drug just before Haliegh went missing is EXPECTED to REMEMBER THAT NIGHT? NOBODY knows for sure what Misty knows or remembers. NOBODY….including LE. So why do you think Misty can SOLVE the case, Simon???? You keep putting it out there. What is YOUR evidence???????
I think it is BS that LE have “evidence” PROVING MIsty can SOLVE the case. THEN CHARGE HER WITH OBSTRUCTION. Sh**, or GET OFF THE POT.
Folks, this is WHY people are demanding to see what LE has. The public is tired of being treated like sapes from LE.
It’s the new guy the FDLE put on the case last fall. I will try and find his last name, it’s a french last name.
Capt. Schauland said the agency was not releasing any information involving the polygraphs. He has said this many times. He did say however, that people who take polygraphs are “normally not told the results if they pass or not.
He added, “I’m not talking about this case; I’m talking about polygraphs in general, but usually there’s a line of questioning and it either shows deception or to be inconclusive on question one, two or three. But it really isn’t a pass or fail thing.”
There is so much LE can do. I am believing they are doing the best they can at this point. There are cases out there that still lays cold case cause there is nothing, everyone is doing the best they can right now and who knows they may even know more then we do right now but not releasing nothing. Just look at this big blow out last month these clowns in jail now and apparently cant go no where not even Ron. No one can bail his butt out right now. They all are in the right place I just wish someone will say what or where Haleigh is.
Im so glad that Misty and Ronald is locked up, they can play all the games they want to but the truth will eventually come out, they think they are smart and can beat the system, but No, it will catch up with them just like it did in the drug thing. They know where HaLeigh is and with everyday that goes by they are a little closer to LE finding out what happened and charging them with a whole new set of charges,LE is doing a great job, its not our right to know what they know, if you want to know it all then become a police officer, otherwise, let them work, we never thought Ronald and Misty would be in jail like they are right now, but they are, so I say, if things have to look like they arent going anywhere for LE to do there job, then so be it…..God Bless baby HaLeigh, and may the truth come to light soon…..
Jason Jolicoeur, I believe that is how it’s spelled.
I think it’s time to put misty back in her little private cell where she has NOBODY AT ALL to talk to. no girls one cell over to do her hair…nothing! she needs tobe lonely, and when timmys income tax runs out and theres no more money for phone minutes and snacks she may remember something useful…not that I’m so sure she can.
Why do you think Ron knows what happened to Haleigh? what part of LE is satisfied he was at work that night,there’s a video of him at the store a little after 3 AM, that he and Crystal are not POI to LE and are at the bottom of the ‘who might have done it’ list doesn’t some people get?
Private eye—
You can give these two all the time in the world, but if they know nothing, they know nothing. Your belief that they “know something” is meaningless, unless you can PROVE it. IF LE could PROVE it, they could charge Misty and Ron with obstruction. THEY CANT. THey SAID they CANT. NOBODY INCLUDING LE KNOWS what Misty knows. SO HOW IN THE WORLD CAN LE SAY SHE HOLDS THE KEY TO SOLVING THE CASE?
Vaquera,
I have stopped addressing bloggers comments on Rons guilt. These bloggers choose to ignore what little evidence there is in this case.
Does anyone have the link to the call between Ronald & his mother?
bjb, do you have evidence of his guilt or inocence? I’m not trying to argue, really, I’m just asking?
In the last tape of Ron and his Mother (Theresa) he seems to be asking or saying that it’s one of the 2 of them and says the name Crystal?????? Did anyone else hear it?
FRom a bloggers perspective YES! He has an airtight alibi, he has passed a poly (that is WHY LE do not consider him a person of interest, even if they have NOT SAID IT), and he has been consistent in a year. YES, I am NOT wasting my time on theories that Ron did it.
I keep thinking back to when ron came home that night, misty was at the door screamming “Do you have haleigh with you I can’t find her”? she said that in a couple of her recounts…as though she had just returned home to discover haleigh not there. One thing I feel for sure is that she WAS NOT HOME at the time haleigh went missing. why doesn’t she just admit this so LE can move on and piece together what really did happen?
That is a strong possibility, that she was NOT at home.
bonanzajellybean said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Vaquera,
I have stopped addressing bloggers comments on Rons guilt. These bloggers choose to ignore what little evidence there is in this case.
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I know and I try and ignore for the most part but sometimes I just can’t let it slide. 😉
So many of their so called friends have said that she was at a party, why is it so hard to take the investigation down that road until they have proof beyond a reaonable doubt that it isn’t true? maybe they have, but you’d think they would confront her to no end on that one. and that letter…just seems too possible for LE to say it’s not.
No one has said Ron is guilty we are starting to believe he is involved in the cover up for what really happened. JMO
Oh please, he would not cover for anyone that hurt his child, Haleigh was his heart, daddy’s little girl.
He would if he was the cause of his heart being taken. jmo
Vaquera said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:04 pm Oh please, he would not cover for anyone that hurt his child, Haleigh was his heart, daddy’s little girl.
Unless he has something to hide himself. It’s just an opinion.
jodi said,in February 11th, 2010 at 1:47 pm In the last tape of Ron and his Mother (Theresa) he seems to be asking or saying that it’s one of the 2 of them and says the name Crystal?????? Did anyone else hear it?
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What tape are you talking about?? Do you have a link?
I’d LOVE to know WHO besides RON CUMMINGS has verified he passed the LDT? It seems TJ Ward wanted to give him an LVA also and still would, but he was too tied up with Misty, things that make you go hmmmmm and dayum!
We don’t know that for sure anymore than we know that he hurt her. It’s one persons perspective over anothers.
bjb
IDK.. u make sense to me.Im thinking either Misty flat out wasn’t home,knows nothing or maybe just maybe is protecting Ron.as for nancy grace what is she in love w/ Ronald or something?I didn’t hear her comment on his negative talk.OnLY mentioned when he pretended to cry about Haleigh…yeah right!!!I really don’t think Misty was drugged or too high to remember bcuz if that was the case she would have acted indifferent when LE arrived.IMO
He doesn’t seem to have a problem covering for the last person that saw his heart daddys little girl, alive.
a beautiful video of Haleigh for the one yr anniversary of her being gone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBeeHGBNB8&feature=player_embedded
These people all know they are being taped. Everything they say, they say knowing this. They put out there what they want LE to believe, they don’t give a rip waht we the public thinks, they only care about what LE thinks. They are not stupid.IMO
methinks said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:11 pm He doesn’t seem to have a problem covering for the last person that saw his heart daddys little girl, alive.
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Exactly, and I don’t buy that keeping enemies close BS either. He wouldn’t have been guiding her on GVS and other interviews if that were the case, he would have wanted as much pressure applied as possible to find HaLeigh and IMO his hard is cold as ice and only TN occupies it.
how do you know he’s covering for Misty? we aren’t privy to his discussions with LE. maybe it was to keep her from bolting and leaving the state. Hank did say she should have gone to Michigan like they wanted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkAPOfXZKQ
This is where WBG talks about Rons reputation in the hood. jmo
Vaquera, She did leave the state and came back several times without Rons control.jmo
“What do you say to the family that their child went missing and we have not been able to bring it to a logical conclusion at this point,” Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said. “What we don’t know is we can’t break this timeline between Feb. 9 and the morning of the 10th. … The reality could be that the child might not be alive”
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22518951/detail.html
Misty is THE problem….her timeline & lies about what she did that night. That’s the root, that’s the problem.
Vaquera said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:21 pm how do you know he’s covering for Misty? we aren’t privy to his discussions with LE. maybe it was to keep her from bolting and leaving the state. Hank did say she should have gone to Michigan like they wanted
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:24 pm Vaquera, She did leave the state and came back several times without Rons control.jmo
Vaq~ I agree and tobias wasnt it after her divorce she went to Tennesee?
Praying for Haleigh!
The first phone calls & visits will be the only REAL one’s we will see. As soon as they had confirmation that they were releasing them, they all changed tunes. So, let’s dig in and see what we can find up to this point. There will be nothing of value from here on in.
Your right, he’s probably not covering for misty, but someone is covering someone…maybe misty is covering for him ooops musn’t go there.
This is LE’s first statement to the press that admits that Haleigh may not be alive. Please, correct if I am wrong.
To me, it means something. Maybe something they captured in the “tapes”.
A couple of days ago it was “Don’t you want us to be looking for an alive Haleigh”
now this statement:
“The reality could be that the child might not be alive”
Does anyone else see that as a telling statement?
methinks said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:11 pm He doesn’t seem to have a problem covering for the last person that saw his heart daddys little girl, alive.
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Nope, he said she passed her LDT, he also said he believes 100% she was home when Haleigh went missing..
methinks said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:11 pm He doesn’t seem to have a problem covering for the last person that saw his heart daddys little girl, alive.
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Nope, he said she passed her LDT, he also said he believes 100% she was home when Haleigh went missing..
HollysGmom said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:27 pm The first phone calls & visits will be the only REAL one’s we will see. As soon as they had confirmation that they were releasing them, they all changed tunes. So, let’s dig in and see what we can find up to this point. There will be nothing of value from here on in.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx So very true holly, now that they know they areon tape, we will only hear what they want us to hear.
from Ron’s tape last night on NG.
RONALD CUMMINGS: You know? If one of the two of them — you know, the whole time, we figured it`s got to be one of the two of them. If it`s one of the two of them, they got them pinned in a corner now because Crystal can wait six, eight months, and just here she is, pops up over here or wherever, in Texas and moves to Montana, whatever, you know, and — or the worst, so — but either way, we`ll know.
does he still think Crystal has Haleigh?
HollysGmom said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:30 pm This is LE’s first statement to the press that admits that Haleigh may not be alive. Please, correct if I am wrong.
To me, it means something. Maybe something they captured in the “tapes”.
As much as i was hoping they will find her alive and well with time my faith is turning.
I to thought the same thing. They also have used the word “foul play”. I havent heard them use that word until now!
Also, is Ron a narc or trying to let us think he is? Maybe that’s why NG sides with him and gave Crystal a hard time.
Think about it. If you are telling everyone including the media that Misty doesnt know anything and you beleive her, how would you get any info out of her? She is under the impression that you believe her so she is safe to not divulge anything.(home free) jmo
HollysGMa, I so hope you are right when you say they may have picked up some telling info on the case, we all hope and pray that haleigh is alive and being cared for but the reality is that the possibility is dwindling with each passing day and sadly it’s been this way for a very long time.
I find it really weird TN and RC conversation.
Mine would be quite different. I would be all over my son asking wht the heck are you thinking getting involved in a drug deal with your kid missing. And now we have lost Junior because of your stupidity. But we dont hear that and I ask myself why not. Why is TN so easy on Ron? jmo
After an entire year of hell Ron causes more pain added onto TN and she isnt mad as hell?
Really?JMO
I don’t know how anyone can be sure of exactly what LE has on any one person, since they aren’t letting anything out. They know it is tough to make murder charges stick when there is no body. We don’t know for sure if Haleigh is alive or dead. LE has to take their time on this.
LE knows the people involved in this case and their personalities. They know these people well because it is a very small town. They said, a good while back, that they knew what was going on in that town, but they weren’t going to make any arrests until they could get them on something big. They laid low and waited and got them, right after misty’s 18th birthday. Maybe LE isn’t so dumb.
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:41 pm Think about it. If you are telling everyone including the media that Misty doesnt know anything and you beleive her, how would you get any info out of her? She is under the impression that you believe her so she is safe to not divulge anything.(home free) jmo
xxxxxxxxxxxx cooorect!!! Thats why they need to put her by herself with no outside contact again, so she get desperate. once timmys money runs out, her memory might get better.
Tobias:
Reading between the lines, I think Ron is making his mother think he got involved in this drug dealing to stay close to Misty, in order to find Haleigh. Nonsense, IMO. We can all see that Ron wasn’t held accountable for his actions. TN is far too gullible. GGSykes is more realistic about Ron.
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:54 pm After an entire year of hell Ron causes more pain added onto TN and she isnt mad as hell?
Really?JMO
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Nope, in fact, she praises the punk.. He is so smart and has such a high IQ, he is such a good boy!
One thing that has always puzzled me was why we never heard what Ron was up to that weekend.
Who may have visited him while Misty was on her party weekend and he was home (with the kids?) who watched them on Friday while Ron was at work? jmo
LE has something that tells them Misty was involved, they said in their last statement that they have evidence that shows she isnt telling the truth about her evening activities and so therefore, if she didnt hurt HaLeigh or have anything to do with her coming up missing then why lie about what she was doing, duhh, she knows something she isnt saying, dont yall get that, SHE KNOWS….and as for Ronald, I dont care if he has been cleared as far as where he was that night, how do we know that something didnt happen before he went to work, we have only GGMS word that the children were fine after Ronald left, and I wouldnt believe her no further then I could throw her, and then why would Ronald need to be told their was a snitch in the jail with him if he knows nothing and cant say where HaLegh is, these people are all involved in some way and I cant wait until it all comes out and people can see just what a binch of loosers this family is!!
tobias said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Vaquera, She did leave the state and came back several times without Rons control.jmo
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after the divorce when she didn’t have a place to stay. that’s 8 months later.
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 3:01 pm One thing that has always puzzled me was why we never heard what Ron was up to that weekend.
Who may have visited him while Misty was on her party weekend and he was home (with the kids?) who watched them on Friday while Ron was at work? jmo
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx tobias, you have asked that before if my memory serves me right and I don’t recall anyone knowing…that is a very good queston, we know that at somepoint, he took her clothes somewhere, wherever she was staying, IDK for sure. anyone? any ideas?
Vaquera said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Oh please, he would not cover for anyone that hurt his child, Haleigh was his heart, daddy’s little girl.
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Funny that is exactly what Crystal said about Ron during one of her first interviews after Haleigh was kidnapped.
private eye, we have the AC man and also LE and Marie have both stated the kids were seen outside playing after he went to work.
She sure did, treece. 🙂
methinks said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:00 pm So many of their so called friends have said that she was at a party
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Who are these “many” so called friends you refer to? The only person I am aware said that was some guy in jail….people in jail will make up all sorts of stuff to try to help themselves. Who are the “many”????
Tobias i to have wondered and tried to find out where Ron, Haleigh, and Jr were that weekend?
Vaquera, there was also someone in the car with Annette Sykes and a neighbor also said they saw Haleigh playing with one of Tommy’s kids after Ron went to work.
Some just want to ignore these facts.
jodi said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:39 pm from Ron’s tape last night on NG.
RONALD CUMMINGS: You know? If one of the two of them — you know, the whole time, we figured it`s got to be one of the two of them. If it`s one of the two of them, they got them pinned in a corner now because Crystal can wait six, eight months, and just here she is, pops up over here or wherever, in Texas and moves to Montana, whatever, you know, and — or the worst, so — but either way, we`ll know.
does he still think Crystal has Haleigh?
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I myself have been wondering why no one seems to be asking about this particular part of the conversation between Ron and his mother?
me said,in February 11th, 2010 at 3:14 pm methinks said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:00 pm So many of their so called friends have said that she was at a party
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Who are these “many” so called friends you refer to? The only person I am aware said that was some guy in jail….people in jail will make up all sorts of stuff to try to help themselves. Who are the “many”????
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx your right me, I guess many people varified the weekend party before the night haleigh went missing, my mistake.
Karon Cox said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:59 pm Tobias:
Reading between the lines, I think Ron is making his mother think he got involved in this drug dealing to stay close to Misty, in order to find Haleigh. Nonsense, IMO. We can all see that Ron wasn’t held accountable for his actions. TN is far too gullible. GGSykes is more realistic about Ron.
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Exactly Karon. He had just said to TN that he had been sitting for an hour wondering what to say to her before she got there. I think he knew how upset she’d be about the drug bust so maybe this “story” is what he was thinking about all that time before his mother arrived.
one oclock eastern time?
its usally central time
Since Ron has such a high IQ is he the master mind in coming up with a story to tell LE when Haleigh goes missing? Is he the one who could coach Misty the whole time they are together on what to tell them? Maybe TN should have thought better of informing us how smart her son really is. jmo
HollysGmom said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Misty is THE problem….her timeline & lies about what she did that night. That’s the root, that’s the problem.
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How do you know she lied about what she did that night? LE doesn’t seem to know. She’s not been charged with anything.
I think the problem is that the investigators are blaming their failings on an illiterate 17 year old and the public is eating it up, all too ready to hang a young girl who’s not even been charged, let alone convicted.
Do you think LE should not have charged Scott Peterson because he lied about what happened the night Lacey disappeared?
I am going to just throw my opinion out there and let it lay – no one can prove it right or wrong until this case is solved.
I do not believe Ron had anything to do with Haleigh being kidnapped.
I do think Ron is SOOOOOOO fed up with being judged, misjudged, quoted, misquoted, damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t, that he no longer gives a shit what is posted on this blog or elsewhere.
I do not believe Misty did anything to Haleigh.
I do not believe Misty will go to prison for anything to do with Haleigh or these exaggerated drug charges.
It is disappointing to me how cruel and heartless some have been concerning them both.
Got to run for now, be back later.
Right now Ron is sitting in jail thhinking of ways to get the heat off of him. That is why he puts it on the two of them (Misty and Tommy) and Crystal. The others have blamed no one, isnt that funny? Shows he is getting nervous in my opinion and doing damage control. jmo
Tobias, actually M pointed the finger at T and Joe long ago and again fairly recently I think.
R may well be the scum of the earth and a drug dealer on top of that but so far I have not seen anything of substance that shows he harmed Haleigh or knows who did.
Private eye,
Dont YOU get that this was a girl strung out on drugs the night before????? ANd she had been doing MASSIVE drugs for 3 days straight. The type of drugs she was doing ALTER THE MEMORY. LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF!
NOBODY can say wheather or not she was EVEN AT THE MH the night Haliegh went missing. There is a possibility that misty lied either to cover up that she was not there, or simply CANT REMEMBER. If either is the case, Misty will NOT provide information leading to haleigh, and WONT provide it even to save herself for the simple reason that SHE NO INFORMATION.
I will see you back here in 2011. My guess, we will know NO MORE then we know today.
I keep thinking LE may just be putting out messages to scare and pressure Misty and her side of the family. We don’t know how they are thinking. They may be thinking Misty and her family would be easier to crack than Ron.
We are going to learn alot from these tapes about the personalities involved in all of this. We have seen TN up close, now. We know she caves and breaks under the strain and the consequences of Ron’s lifestyle.
We have seen a different side of Misty, now.
GGSykes gave a statement to the press about Ronald and Misty that shocked me. She is finally coming out with some of the truth about being mad at Misty that night. She said Ron changed after he left her house and went back to live with TN. She blamed it on her own husband’s death, but I can see she and TN don’t agree 100 per cent about Ron. She said Ron just didn’t seem to be able to be close to anyone, anymore. I think GGSykes may be the one to watch in all of this for the truth, finally.
Treece, I think you would see things differently about these drug dealers if you opened your mind to the fact that the pills they sold could have eventually ended up in a school and may have killed a young person who was expierementing with drugs. We know about the UC ,but at the time they could have cared less where the pills were going as long as they got some money. And all the while a little girl is still missing, but hey (in their minds) so what we gotta have fun .jmo
Tobias,
I agree 100% Everyone is so distracted by Haliegh, INCLUDING THE CLAN, that the fact that drug traffikking is SERIOUS is LOST on them. Everyone thinks they were arrested for Haliegh….THEY WERE NOT. THEY COMMITTED SERIOUS OFFENSES THAT COULD KILL. THIS IS NOT ABOUT FINDING HALIEGH. IT IS ABOUT GETTING DRUG TRAFFIKKERS OFF THE STREETS. The clan think they were arrested because of haleigh. they think that if LE knows they know nothing, they will be released. HELLO. They will all be doing serious time for a serious crime.
tobias, I do not think Treece is defending drug dealers. Please read her post again and keep YOUR mind open.
The point is -regardless of what LE says – there are a half-dozen other and worse drug dealers in the area, I’m sure, (between these five people there were 300 pills???? That’s NOTHING! Penny ante) and a different group of five such “dealers” would never have gotten such high bail amounts. PLUS there are the BIG FISH (suppliers) who LE could have spent a month investigating. But they didn’t. They went for these little fish because of Haleigh.
Now, I’m all for catching drug dealers. However I think it is obvious THESE people were targeted because of Haleigh. LE thought if they locked them up, they would be pressured to talk. Maybe it will work. Maybe not. But please let’s all be adults and realize that this was NOT a “separate drug investigation.” LE may think we’re stupid but we’re not THAT stupid.
TN reminds me of Cindy Anthony with Casey….talk about an enabler…..Neither one has EVER made their child take responsibility for their actions. They cover for them, lie for them and no matter how atrocious their behavior is, they defend them. It is like they are afraid to upset their child. What is WRONG with these mothers? Both of them should be grabbing their children by the neck and shaking the crap out of them and telling them to WAKE UP, GET THEIR ACTS TOGETHER AND FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS! SHEEESSSHHH!
Detectives believe that one tip may come from the Misty, who was then Ronald’s girlfriend. Misty was watching the girl that day. She told detectives she left Haleigh alone for just a few minutes inside the home. Haleigh then simply vanished.
http://www.cfnews13.com/Business/LocalBusinessHeadlines/2010/2/10/haleigh_cummings_missing_one_year.html
WTH? Is this just another case of bad reporting? When did Misty admit to leaving the house? I think these reporters just make things up.
m2c
If that were true, Misty, Ron and the rest have one HeII of a lawsuit.
In my opinion no one is mis judging a drug dealer and someone who could care less what happened to a little boy when he was out dealing drugs. He already lost one child why in gods green earth would he risk losing another? Because he is what he is, uncaring and a poor excuse for a father. And his actions now are exactly the same as they were a year ago when Haleigh was with him. jmo
HollysGmom said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:33 pm A couple of days ago it was “Don’t you want us to be looking for an alive Haleigh”
now this statement:
“The reality could be that the child might not be alive”
Does anyone else see that as a telling statement?
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Nope. He is just stating the obvious.
bjb – I had not seen your comment before I posted mine above but I really do think they were arrested because of Haleigh. Not that they didn’t deserve it or wouldn’t have been at some point in the future. But targeting a special drug sting right now? Right after M turned 18. Oh, yes. Because of Haleigh. You bet.
Of course the one way these drug arrests could turn out to be really beneficial would be if LE got the goods on a big supplier thru these people. That would be great! Don’t know if it will happen. But it would be great.
Jerome Williams was sent to jail for the same offenses so what, the way they were caught is different than the way others were caught. Okay, if you have a certain amount of drugs on you when you are arrested its trafficking, but these people were caught on video and with audio and a UC then its way different. jmo
Seems I remember everyone on here being outraged that these folks weren’t jailed for all their behavior. Then when they are finally jailed we dissect and argue about what the true motivation was for them being arrested. LOL
Personally, I’m just glad they are all behind bars because they’ve committed crime after crime and now it is time to do the time. If it helps LE break the Haleigh case, I’m all for that. If not, then at least the streets of Satsuma are a little safer right now!
Now, everyone take a deep breath….breathe in….breathe out….breathe in…breathe out….relax…we’re all on the same team here…the HALEIGH team! 😀
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 3:49 pm Treece, I think you would see things differently about these drug dealers if you opened your mind to the fact that the pills they sold could have eventually ended up in a school and may have killed a young person who was expierementing with drugs. We know about the UC ,but at the time they could have cared less where the pills were going as long as they got some money. And all the while a little girl is still missing, but hey (in their minds) so what we gotta have fun .jmo
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Tobias,
Almost every parent has drugs in their medicine cabinet that can kill people. And alcohol, which kills more young people than all other drugs combined, is probably in your own house. If you are truly worried about kids and drugs, you should be fighting for prohibition on alcohol to be re-instated. Good luck with that.
bjb, Although your theory is quite possible, more so than many, lets try not to give up hope. For alot of us, that is all that is left. Some of your posts today come off as though you feel we are stupid not to believe your opinion. It would do us all good to step back and remember that we are all here for the same reason. HALEIGH. Please don’t be offended, I’m just sayin’
JB, Couldnt have said it any better. Not gonna hold my breath on what happens to them. They are going down. jmo
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:00 pm TN reminds me of Cindy Anthony with Casey….talk about an enabler…..Neither one has EVER made their child take responsibility for their actions. They cover for them, lie for them and no matter how atrocious their behavior is, they defend them. It is like they are afraid to upset their child. What is WRONG with these mothers? Both of them should be grabbing their children by the neck and shaking the crap out of them and telling them to WAKE UP, GET THEIR ACTS TOGETHER AND FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS! SHEEESSSHHH
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There is a big difference between Casey and Ron…Casey was apparently the perp, Ron is a victim. But many think it’s ok to bash the victim. Very sad.
One thing we could do that might be interesting is to try to figure out WHAT M could “know” and not be telling that LE is waiting to hear.
1) M harmed Haleigh herself
2) Haleigh was ill or in an accident and M covered it up
3) M left the children unattended for a while
4) M WAS zonked out from something but when she found Haleigh missing she got rid of stuff (evidence?) that might have helped LE find out what happened
5) Someone came over to the MH while M was there.
Can you all think of other possibilities? When we have a list we can think about each one and see where it leads us – or where LE thinks it will lead them.
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:02 pm In my opinion no one is mis judging a drug dealer and someone who could care less what happened to a little boy when he was out dealing drugs. He already lost one child why in gods green earth would he risk losing another? Because he is what he is, uncaring and a poor excuse for a father.
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Why do you hate him so much? Don’t you think he’s suffered enough? Why would you want to see a person who lost a child suffer even more than they are? I really don’t get people like you or what satisfaction you get out of being nasty about victims.
ME – there ARE differences between Ron and Casey….I said TN and Cindy remind of each other – they are enablers….they’ve allowed their children to get away with crime after crime….look how TN talks to Ron….he’s in jail for drug trafficking and she’s doing the “poor baby”…”you’re such a good son”…when a normal parent would be saying “WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?” and “YOU’VE REALLY DONE IT THIS TIME”.
Now, if we want to talk about how Ron and Casey ARE alike, I can go there too. 😀 But that wasn’t my original comment.
Haleigh is the victim here. Ron’s lifestyle has brought all this misery on himself. Haleigh had no choice. That makes HER the victim…not Ron as he could have made other life choices. Sorry, but that’s my opinion.
tobias, who do you think Crystal buys her drugs from? Could it be a drug dealer that sells drugs that kill children?
When Marie dealt drugs, do you think they ever went to children?
None of these players have a clean nose.
Me, what has my medicine cabInet got to do with Ron and Misty selling drugs? And by the way no one in my house has a script for any meds. and if we did they would be in a locked box where I keep all my poisons for rats and such in the barn. Its called being RESPONCIBLE. JMO
JB – IF R’s child was taken or harmed then YES he is a victim of that. Even if he’s the scum of the earth, you cannot deny him that. Plenty of very good law-abiding people have suffered the same loss. It is no less of a loss to him.
JB…sorry, but I disagree. I have spent a lot of time with parents with children in jail. If you love your child, it’s natural to support them through the tough times, be upset to see them suffer in jail and worry about them. The difference with Casey’s case is that Casey obviously knew where Caylee was… Ron obviously doesn’t know where Haleigh is.
Quit picking on Art Harris. It is getting old.
treece said,in February 11th, 2010 at 3:41 pm I am going to just throw my opinion out there and let it lay – no one can prove it right or wrong until this case is solved.
I do not believe Ron had anything to do with Haleigh being kidnapped.
I do think Ron is SOOOOOOO fed up with being judged, misjudged, quoted, misquoted, damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t, that he no longer gives a shit what is posted on this blog or elsewhere.
I do not believe Misty did anything to Haleigh.
I do not believe Misty will go to prison for anything to do with Haleigh or these exaggerated drug charges.
It is disappointing to me how cruel and heartless some have been concerning them both.
Got to run for now, be back later.
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m2c,
Here is my REALLY BIG problem with ANY of the scenarios, and why I believe LE is BS:
Other than guessing and speculation, LE could NOT have convincing evidence for ANY of the above, as NO charges against Misty are filed. IF they had ANYTHING, a charge of obstruction at the least is warrented. HArdy SAID “We do not have enough evidence to file obstruction charges”. Good Gosh, what evidence could they possibly have that have them CONVINCED that Misty can SOLVE the case?????????
Me – I understand your point of Ron has lost his child. For that I feel horrible for him and cannot imagine how horrid that must be. HOWEVER, his actions before and after her disappearance have been reckless and criminal. We currently don’t know what happened to Haleigh but it is pretty evident that it was the people he surrounded himself with, the child drug addict he chose as a baby-sitter and his fascination with drugs and dealing that caused Haleigh to go missing. If this was just some random stranger abduction, I’ll eat my words but I truly believe HIS actions led to the abduction one way or another.
So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t feel overwhelming sympathy for Ron. Ron is no Marc Klaas, Ed Smart or John Walsh. He wasn’t a law abiding citizen before Haleigh went missing and her abduction has done NOTHING to cause him to get his act together which is a further shame.
m2c, What about Junior he is a victim of his own parent. I believe Haleigh was too even if it was indirectly. jmo
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:16 pm Me, what has my medicine cabInet got to do with Ron and Misty selling drugs? And by the way no one in my house has a script for any meds. and if we did they would be in a locked box where I keep all my poisons for rats and such in the barn. Its called being RESPONCIBLE. JMO
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I have no idea what “RESPONCIBLE” is.
Tobias, yes you are so perfect. Is that why you do this? Does it make you feel better about yourself?. You’ve told us you yourself lost 2 young children. Some could draw conclusions that that must have been your fault. Were you beaten up and blamed by the public for your losses? Was your private life dissected to see if you may have contributed to their deaths? Were you blamed even though it wasn’t your fault?
I’m really at a point where I don’t think I can read these posts anymore. What you say about a man who has recently lost his child sickens me. How would you have liked it if it happened to you?
Treece and Annintn:
I am with you both, 100%.
me said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
There is a big difference between Casey and Ron…Casey was apparently the perp, Ron is a victim. But many think it’s ok to bash the victim. Very sad.
Why do you hate him so much? Don’t you think he’s suffered enough? Why would you want to see a person who lost a child suffer even more than they are? I really don’t get people like you or what satisfaction you get out of being nasty about victims.
me, I can’t understand this either and such partiality between Ron’s family and Crystal’s family. Makes me wonder if some of them are Crystal’s family or just men haters.
bonanzajellybean said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:24 pm Treece and Annintn:
I am with you both, 100%.
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Treece and ANN, What do you think LE is gonna do just open those cells and tell them sorry you can go now? Wake up they are going to prison for some years whether they talk or not its bye bye .jmo
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:22 pm Me – I understand your point of Ron has lost his child. For that I feel horrible for him and cannot imagine how horrid that must be. HOWEVER, his actions before and after her disappearance have been reckless and criminal.
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Yep, and so were Tim Miller’s. He became a raging coke addict and drunk and stalked an innocent man. But for some reason everyone feels sorry for him. He obviously made some bad decisions too….but the same people who give him a pass want to see Ron do jail time. I really feel sick reading this stuff (and I’m not referring to your posts).
Bottom line is we have no say over what LE decided to charge them with. They could have charged them both with lying to police, lying to the FBI, hindering an investigation on top of the 6 different drug sells they charged them with. They did lie and cover up for whatever reason. I don’t know what happened to Haleigh, noone does. I think LE intends to find out. A child is missing, and they are going to find her.
Me,
I understand tobias’s frustration. I too am angry, livid, when I read about parents who are irresponsible, lose a child DIRECTLY DUE TO IRRESPONSIBILITY, then cry to the public for support. The only sympathy I have is for the child of the irresponsible parent. The associations that Ron kept, the fact that he knew Misty was in no positon to care for his kids that night-as I believe she told him that, and his drug use and traffiking, in my mind, qualify him as an irresponsible parent.
Still though, I DO cut Ron some slack, as I can see how much he is injuried and how much he LOVED Haleigh. Intent is important for me, and I believe that Ron had NOT A CLUE that his actions would endanger his baby. Had he, I believe, he never would have done them.
In some people minds Ron is a victim and gets a free pass but they need to do some real searching in their hearts and look at this with open eyes. He is a drug dealer, he has been known to hang out in drug dwellings, all of his girlfriends are addicted, and he is in jail right now instead of with Junior and looking for Haleigh. jmo
All – I don’t care for Crystal’s family either if that makes you feel any better. I don’t like Misty or her family. I think all of these people are absolute losers.
I had a LOT of pity for Ron in the beginning but the more I learn and the more he opens his mouth, the more I have come to dislike him. Crystal’s just as bad. She FINALLY gets custody of Jr. and then fails a drug test. Misty’s family should have their own wing at the county jail. NONE of these people should be allowed to raise children. TIME TO BREAK THE CYCLE. They all drop out of school, end up on drugs and taking part in criminal activity.
I’m SORRY Ron lost his child but you would THINK that would have been a HUGE wake-up call and he would have gotten his act together. After all, he DOES have one child left. And WHAT kind of father has he been to Jr. since all this went down? What kind of father can he be from behind bars? Hey, if you all want to use Ron as YOUR role model, go for it. I think he is right where he belongs and NOTHING you say will change my mind on that anymore than anything I say will change yours so lets just agree to disagree.
Tobias – hang in there and don’t let anything that is said get to you. Emotions are obviously running high and some seem to think attacking others somehow is supposed to help find Haleigh. Whatever….I personally like to hear other’s views and theories and try to learn from them….not the case with some I guess….it is their way or the highway.
I agree with your statement above but when he did it to Junior, who needed him even more now well he gets nothing from me. jmo
ME – but Tim Miller did turn his life around and tried to do something good…is still trying. Ron has not made those sane wise decisions. I don’t fault someone for falling off the wagon or going off the deepend…it is what they do AFTER that which matters. Ron has been offered all kinds of help. Haliegh being taken should have been a wake up call that he needed to be a better father to Jr, get away from the drugs, get clean and make sure that those around him were too. Instead he does just the opposite. THAT I have a problem with.
jimbob said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
me, I can’t understand this either and such partiality between Ron’s family and Crystal’s family. Makes me wonder if some of them are Crystal’s family or just men haters.
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I think we have a bit of both. And probably a few drunks too….in my experience, it is the drunks that carry on the most about how dangerous drugs are and how they want drug dealers locked up etc. They feel they are somehow morally superior because they use a drug that is legal, even though it kills the most people, including children.
Great statement JB. I also feel like people are attacking when I’m just trying to give my opinion. I wish it would stop since we all want the same thing….Haleigh to be found!
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:28 pm Treece and ANN, What do you think LE is gonna do just open those cells and tell them sorry you can go now? Wake up they are going to prison for some years whether they talk or not its bye bye .jmo
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tobias, why are replying to me now, you never have before?
The same is true for Crystal. She’s been given a gift, a second chance at being a mom….and she fails a drug test. BUT, she is getting counseling and I PRAY she gets her act together for Jr’s sake. If she blows it again I believe Jr. should be placed in foster care.
Now Misty, where do I begin……
I personally feel that since TN covered for RC all those other times, why wouldn’t she cover for him this time? Maybe RC through a tantrum and put a gun to his momma’s head. Who knows.
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:28 pm Treece and ANN, What do you think LE is gonna do just open those cells and tell them sorry you can go now? Wake up they are going to prison for some years whether they talk or not its bye bye .jmo
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Years? LOL! For an 18 year old first time offender, with a grade 6 education, who played the role of middle man for an undercover cop and scored $40 a deal? LOL.
Romewi – yeah, now we’re all drunks according to ME….because we don’t agree….and I don’t even drink! LMAO
I think a few on here need to enroll in some serious anger management courses. WE’RE ALL HERE FOR HALEIGH. WE DON’T HAVE TO AGREE BUT WE SHOULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE ADULTS AND BE RESPECTFUL.
We’re allowed differing opinions folks…it’s okay….but when you get nasty…THAT is wrong…so please, STOP IT! Let’s discuss the case and leave the personal insults out of it!
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Tobias – hang in there and don’t let anything that is said get to you. Emotions are obviously running high and some seem to think attacking others somehow is supposed to help find Haleigh. Whatever….I personally like to hear other’s views and theories and try to learn from them….not the case with some I guess….it is their way or the highway.
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It is Tobias doing the attacking…he/she is on here day and night attacking Ron. Perhaps she feels guilt over losing 2 children herself and is taking it out on Ron…I have no idea what motivates someone to be so cruel towards someone who lost a child, particularly when they have suffered such a loss themselves.
jimbob said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
tobias, you have not addressed either of my post!?!?
tobias, who do you think Crystal buys her drugs from? Could it be a drug dealer that sells drugs that kill children?
When Marie dealt drugs, do you think they ever went to children?
None of these players have a clean nose.
me, I can’t understand this either and such partiality between Ron’s family and Crystal’s family. Makes me wonder if some of them are Crystal’s family or just men haters.
Me, you really believe what you are saying so there is no use in explaining anything to you.
She was no middle man she sold drugs. Misty got drugs handed them to UC and took money in her little hand. That my friend is selling drugs. If you still believe she is innocent then everyone in jail should be set free. lol jmo
JB…it took him about 15 years to turn his life around. He was put in a mental hospital in 2000 and treated for his addictions. And now he is using again, set a 17 year old up with a drug dealing momma (she already had one of those)and everyone gives him a pass.
Me…Post your own comments and quit using other people comments to make yourself look smart. You didn’t even complete your point on the last comment, or at least it didn’t make any since. Also, Tim Miller is a good man. Everyone makes mistakes. TM is nothing like RC, who is controlling, manipulative, selfish, and just plain thuggish.
I’m not talking about the attacks on Ron, Crystal, or Hitler for that matter…..as THEY are who we are here to discuss. I’m talking about the PERSONAL attacks on other bloggers…saying we’re drunks, men haters, making nasty comments about losing children, etc…..we’re not here to discuss fellow bloggers….we’re here to discuss THIS case…which includes Ron, Crystal, Misty and the rest of the gang.
Let’s just be nice…discuss the case…appreciate what each of us brings to the table…keep open minds….debate the things we feel passionate about but do it respectfully….please.
I think it shows a great deal of immaturity to attack people personally, because they don’t agree with you. We didn’t choose what punishment Ron and Misty deserves, and none of the people blogging here will have a say in how many years they get.
not by my own stupidity. my children died because they were born prematurely. I have a medical condition called incompetent cervix. I have since had 2 more children through the care of a high risk doctor . they are now adult age and have never even gotten a traffic ticket. I AM PROUD OF MY JOB AS A PARENT.JMO
Also, the reason people aren’t on Crystal’s back as much as RC is because she was NOT there! Period. End of story. Move on.
“How do you know she lied about what she did that night? LE doesn’t seem to know. She’s not been charged with anything.
I think the problem is that the investigators are blaming their failings on an illiterate 17 year old and the public is eating it up, all too ready to hang a young girl who’s not even been charged, let alone convicted.”
ME,
I could not agree MORE. The public sings LE Montrae—“Misty holds the key”, blindly.
Misty holds the key = We in LE have NOTHING toward solving this case, but being Hardy is new to the job and wants to make a positive impression on the public, lets focus on Misty and put ALL the RESPONSIBILITY for SOLVING this case on HER, NOT US.
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:49 pm Me, you really believe what you are saying so there is no use in explaining anything to you.
She was no middle man she sold drugs. Misty got drugs handed them to UC and took money in her little hand. That my friend is selling drugs. If you still believe she is innocent then everyone in jail should be set free. lol jmo
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Tobias, unlike you I don’t come on here to try to stir up hate towards a man who lost his daughter.
According to LE, she was the middle man. You obviously do not work in the criminal justice system and can’t differentiate between the various roles in the drug supply trade.
What sort of person has no sympathy for a 17 year old who lived with druggie parents who didn’t even bother to send her to school and who rob their blind neighbors? Sorry, but I am not as cold hearted and cruel as you and never will be.
ME – I’m here to DISCUSS the Haleigh case…not Tim Miller, not men haters, drunks in general or other bloggers personal issues. I’ll be happy to discuss the Haleigh case with you in a mature and civil manner. Otherwise, please leave me our of your rants and ignore my posts. Thank you.
mE, THEN GO BAIL HER OUT.
jb,i AM LEAVING FOR NOW . SEE EVERYONE LATER.
shockwave said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:51 pm Me…Post your own comments and quit using other people comments to make yourself look smart. You didn’t even complete your point on the last comment, or at least it didn’t make any since. Also, Tim Miller is a good man. Everyone makes mistakes. TM is nothing like RC, who is controlling, manipulative, selfish, and just plain thuggish.
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Charming…more victim bashing. I would bet you’ve never even met Ron.
Tobias – take care and blow it off. Hang in there. Sticks and stones…nothing more.
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:51 pm I’m not talking about the attacks on Ron, Crystal, or Hitler for that matter…..as THEY are who we are here to discuss. I’m talking about the PERSONAL attacks on other bloggers…saying we’re drunks, men haters, making nasty comments about losing children, etc…..we’re not here to discuss fellow bloggers….we’re here to discuss THIS case…which includes Ron, Crystal, Misty and the rest of the gang.
Let’s just be nice…discuss the case…appreciate what each of us brings to the table…keep open minds….debate the things we feel passionate about but do it respectfully….please.
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There are many people here who post their opinions about Ron possibly knowing something etc, that I have no problem with and get along very well with. Tobias crosses the line and spews hatred. I do not respect that.
ME – I guess it makes you feel better about yourself to put others down. You jump on everyone else for bashing Ron but you have no problem bashing, battering and bullying other bloggers. STATE your opinion….Don’t beat us over the head with it. This is BLOGGING…not BLUDGEONING for pete’s sake. CHILL OUT.
Ron….a victim?!!!! Now whose ROFL!!!! Hint, I am!! Are you getting paid to show RC some love? Wait…you are the stripper girlfriend aren’t you? You just made my day. Thank you!!
I don’t need to meet RC to rationalize that he needs to be right where he is.
Tobias, My God, please forgive whatever idiot made that horrible comparison about the babies…THAT WAS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!! I’m leaving now as I do not want to participate in this conversation any longer!
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:57 pm ME – I’m here to DISCUSS the Haleigh case…not Tim Miller, not men haters, drunks in general or other bloggers personal issues. I’ll be happy to discuss the Haleigh case with you in a mature and civil manner. Otherwise, please leave me our of your rants and ignore my posts. Thank you.
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And I’m here to discuss the Haleigh case….not to bash her father, which seems to be the main reason for people like Tobias being here.
You are the one posting to me and I have replied. You want me to ignore your posts….then stop addressing them to me. Simple. Done.
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 5:04 pm ME – I guess it makes you feel better about yourself to put others down. You jump on everyone else for bashing Ron but you have no problem bashing, battering and bullying other bloggers. STATE your opinion….Don’t beat us over the head with it. This is BLOGGING…not BLUDGEONING for pete’s sake. CHILL OUT.
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Stop addressing posts to me please. Very odd that you keep posting to me, then complain that I reply.
You know what ME, you’ve crossed the line. Tobias loses children due to a health issue and YOU want to compare her to RON? You want to make her comments some act of self loathing? What is WRONG with you? Are you really that miserable that you want to make everyone else around you just as miserable? You are HATEFUL! I’ve gone from being mildly amused with your comments to downright appaulled. If ANYONE needs to look in the mirror it is YOU. You are vicious, spiteful, obviously angry and unable to converse in a civil, adult manner. It is amazing how peaceful it was and what good discussions we were having UNTIL you showed up. Now everyone has left and some with hurt feelings. GOOD JOB!
shockwave said,in February 11th, 2010 at 5:05 pm Ron….a victim?!!!! Now whose ROFL!!!! Hint, I am!! Are you getting paid to show RC some love? Wait…you are the stripper girlfriend aren’t you? You just made my day. Thank you!!
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Are you Crystal’s new beau? You’ve shown your true colors with your comment above. So much hate….so sad for you.
Tobias, I am so sorry for the loss of your children. I always enjoy reading your posts on here even tho I hardly ever post. Hugs to you!
So many people talked about septic tanks a while back. Does anyone know if they were every checked out. I was trying to go to sleep one night and this thought popped into my head, and then I felt nauseous. I posted this on another forum, and another girl told me she had a dream about it. I saw Haleigh between the ground and a large white tank. I’m not a psychic, and I don’t even believe it really, but it was weird that someone else out there thought about it too and felt sick about it. Trying to get us back on topic here if no one will be ugly about what I just wrote above.
I could never be a beau. I hope you understand. Let’s get back on Haleigh shall we?
Everyone is angry, frustrated, upset, and want answers. It has been a year, and nothing. My frustration comes when, on the year anniversary of Haliegh, LE says they are going along the SAME path that they had been for a year. 10000 man hours, LE driven to the point of physical exhaustion, and they are STILL going along the same worn out leads nowhere path. We will be very frustrated years to come.
Yes, Shockwave, the septic tanks were checked out.
Tobias I am very sorry for your loss and my prayers go out ot you. There is no comparison here. Tobias you are very perceptive when it comes to theories about this case. I enjoy reading your post.
Me, that was a strong comparison but your point was accurate. tobias, seems to hate Ron and comes on here to bash everyone on his side. She has been extremely belittling to Ron, Misty and even the grandmothers. That is the reason I will rarely participate in the conversation.
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 5:11 pm You know what ME, you’ve crossed the line. Tobias loses children due to a health issue and YOU want to compare her to RON? You want to make her comments some act of self loathing? What is WRONG with you? Are you really that miserable that you want to make everyone else around you just as miserable? You are HATEFUL! I’ve gone from being mildly amused with your comments to downright appaulled. If ANYONE needs to look in the mirror it is YOU. You are vicious, spiteful, obviously angry and unable to converse in a civil, adult manner. It is amazing how peaceful it was and what good discussions we were having UNTIL you showed up. Now everyone has left and some with hurt feelings. GOOD JOB!
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Please stop posting to me! I am one of the one’s who is not miserable and do not take my own issues out on a man who has lost his child.
Tobias upsets people here every day with her constant hateful posts aimed at Ron and many have left because of her.
Again, please stop posting to me. I will not bash a man who has lost his daughter in these circumstances, and it seems you all are determined to bash me until I’m willing to do that…not going to happen.
Shockwave…I would be THRILLED to get back on topic….I’m tired of beating my head against the wall and I was about to lose my cool. Thanks for bringing me back to why I’m here!
I know they searched one area…could have been a septic tank…after that chick dropped that letter off at the news media desk….she was like a nurse for some retired FBI dude or something…. that is the only septic tank I know about
Tobias,
We may not agree on much when it comes to theories about this case, but you do seem like a very responsible, caring, concerned, smart individual. You are invaluable to this blog.
jimbob said,in February 11th, 2010 at 5:23 pm Me, that was a strong comparison but your point was accurate. tobias, seems to hate Ron and comes on here to bash everyone on his side. She has been extremely belittling to Ron, Misty and even the grandmothers. That is the reason I will rarely participate in the conversation.
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Jimbob,
Thank you. I feel the same and I also have had to drop out of these forums more than once for the same reason.
Let’s say…..You were directly involved, or someone you cared about (like a brother, sister, husband etc…) was directly involved in the murder (whether it be accidental or on purpose) And you KNEW you were already facing AT LEAST 25 yrs in prison, out even sooner with good behavior, etc… (not sure how the law works in FL) Would you open your mouth and tell on yourself on something that would put you away for life or even to death? Hell No. I wouldn’t. I would go to my grave with the information and just pray that I got out ASAP on the drug charges. JMO
Me,
You have very good insight into this case. I hope you will not leave the blog.
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 5:24 pm Shockwave…I would be THRILLED to get back on topic….I’m tired of beating my head against the wall and I was about to lose my cool. Thanks for bringing me back to why I’m here!
I know they searched one area…could have been a septic tank…after that chick dropped that letter off at the news media desk….she was like a nurse for some retired FBI dude or something…. that is the only septic tank I know about
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I think she was actually a child sex offender herself…used to be a mod at WS.
and FYI- Druggies and teens are the best liars, and manipulator’s, ever!
bonanzajellybean, I have never seen tobias post one caring or concerned word for Ron or his side. I have seen her repeated make false accusations against him.
I still have hope for Haleigh. If she was taken because of a drug debt the person who took her would only want money and could have sold her to someone out of the country for adoption. Florida is a coastal state and it would be easy to transport her on a ship or boat. I am fighting the fact that she may be dead even though she may really be. jmo
Ron was using drugs prior to his relationship with Misty. GGM Sykes and Crystal Sheffield’s own mother confirmed that when Ron and Crystal were together drugs were a factor.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=65869876001#/Local+News/Final+Connection+to+Haleigh+Cummings+Leaves+Neighborhood/50619441001/51120592001/65869876001
I find it hard to believe that even the best liars can put a screeching halt on such a high profile case. Remember….LE, FBI. etc, all working to the point of exhaustion, 10000 manhours, a YEAR later……..
Who was a sex offender? Who was a mod at WS?
bonanzajellybean said,in February 11th, 2010 at 5:28 pm Me,
You have very good insight into this case. I hope you will not leave the blog
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Thank you so much bjb.
Not me you can verify that Jan has my e mail and knows exactly who I am. Right down to my real name.
Tobias – me neither….not sure what that comment was all about or who it was directed at. Best not be me!
In addition……Even if LE made the deal of a lifetime with Misty….Tell us what you know and we will reduce ALL drug charges…..STILL, if directly involved, she is going to be charged with even a harsher crime and punishment….or even if she has known what happened, she could be charged with accessory, intentionally with holding info., etc…etc….So, she’s taking her chances on getting lucky with the drug charges only….As they all are…..None of the others are facing even 1/2 the time Misty is….There is NO WAY they’re talking……Again, JMO
JB,
There used to be a mod at WS who went by the name “windchimes”….about a year ago it was discovered that she was a child sex offender. She had a sister that also posted at WS who went by the name “tinkerbell”. The woman who delivered the letter to the newspaper, many believe, was “windchimes”…if you google the names, you will see comparison pics.
What I’ve often wondered, is the coincidence of Donna B also being obsessed with “tinkerbell”…her myspace etc is covered with them. But I’ve not been able to establish that they are related in any way. Just seemed odd to me that 2 grown women interested in Haleigh’s case are tinkerbell fans….but it does appear to be just coincidence.
Me…oh….didn’t know about all of that. I’ve never blogged at WS…heard about it, read posts there but it was a little too brutal there for me.
Aren’t female SO’s kinda rare? Don’t hear about them as much anyway…..THEN there is the Sandra Cantu case…THAT chick was a sick freak that killed Sandra!
jb,
When the letter was delivered to the newspaper, many quickly recognized the woman and believed it was Terry/Windchimes. The thread at WS discussing the matter was quickly closed down and never re-opened.
IMO, there is still a real chance some fruit loop, completely unrelated to anyone in this case, has taken Haleigh. The coincidence of this happening during Caylee’s memorial sent my hinky meter sky high.
So many people trying to push themselves into this case for fame and fortune. We’ve got bounty hunters out the wazoo. We’ve got every psychic wannabe out in force, we’ve got Donna Brock trying to play good cop/bad cop and ending up behind bars, we’ve had attorneys come and go, talk show hosts come and go…it is an endless parade of fame grabbers. MEANWHILE, an innocent child is missing…..
JB,
Rare, but they exist for sure. In fact Chad Griffis is related to a female RSO….her name is Hilda Griffis. I’m not sure if she’s his mother, aunt or how she is related, but I’ve been trying to figure that out. Her flyer is here
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=3289
I just noticed when I was on the RSO site that Chad Reynolds has moved to the number one position on their page.
According to Ron, Misty, and everyone else…the back door was NEVER unlocked. Yet, they claim the “kid napper” entered through the back door. LE found it unlocked, open, and no signs of forced entry. No one “took” this child. And each of those losers know what happened, how it happened, and where she is……and like I said, they are all guilty in one way or another, so face the drug charges, go to your grave with the Haleigh info., and keep your mouth shut…IMO
There are at least 5 RSOs with the surname Griffis (not including Hilda) that lived within a short distance of where Crystal and Chad live. I hope LE have checked them all out. It’s always concerned me that LE cleared ALL the RSOs within about a day of Haleigh going missing. Bizarre.
There was a case I read recently on Dateline about a 30 year old case that was solved. A 22 year old girl was raped and murdered and thrown like garbage on the side of the road. The case went unsolved for 25 years when a group of college students took on the case and did a video on the case and got LE to revive it out of the cold case file. Now, you’re probably wondering what any of this has to do with Haleigh….what was TRULY amazing about the case was it was one of the victim’s best friends that helped set her up to be raped. Several other women and men were in on the planning of it. There was a party with TONS of people there who watched and cheered on the rape and torture….and NONE of them talked for nearly 30 years. Only after the case was revived and the evidence these college kids drug up for LE did the case get solved and those involved began to talk.
Many times we’ve wondered if the key players in the Haleigh case could really keep a secret for a year….well, I say it has happened before….and it took nearly 30 years for someone to crack. I for one don’t know how ANYONE could live 30 years with that kind of guilt much less 10 or 15+ people. But it COULD happen in this case too. SOMEONE knows something but they COULD take it to the grave with them.
me said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Years? LOL! For an 18 year old first time offender, with a grade 6 education, who played the role of middle man for an undercover cop and scored $40 a deal? LOL.
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Me, yes I agree, a buzz and $40 profit does not warrant prison to me. I hope when this is all done that she gets in some type of program to educate herself and learn some basic life skills. She is very young and certainly able to change her life.
JB…that certainly is possible, but in my opinion, less likely these days due to better investigative technology being available such as listening devices and wire taps.
But, that’s why I think LE has to investigate and not rely on Misty or anyone giving them anything of value. IMO, it’s not good enough for them to be saying, our suspect won’t talk so it’s her fault, not our fault, that the case isn’t solved. LE are paid to investigate. If all perps confessed, we wouldn’t need LE.
Goodnight all…you too Me…we had our differences today but willing to put it behind us and move on. I just hope we can all be nice to one another….us fighting one another isn’t getting us anywhere, that is for sure, and takes our energy away from what we’re all here for.
Take care all.
This is a quote that I love and hope Misty and her family, as well as Ron and Crystal will apply to their lives.
“Though no one can go back and make a brand new start my friend anyone can start now and make a brand new end.”
I believe they all have potential to improve their choices and lives.
treece said,in February 11th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Me, yes I agree, a buzz and $40 profit does not warrant prison to me. I hope when this is all done that she gets in some type of program to educate herself and learn some basic life skills. She is very young and certainly able to change her life.
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I totally agree. I am bewildered as to why LE have not charged her parents for their admitted failure to have Misty in school. Crystal’s mom also admits that she took Crystal out of school for home schooling but that she never home schooled her…so why isn’t she being charged? Are there not laws in place to protect children from parents who couldn’t bother sending their youngsters to school? That is child abuse, imo. It’s one thing to not have the money to send your kid to college, another thing to take them out of a free education system….I can’t imagine how selfish and neglectful a parent has to be to not send a young child to school.
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 5:58 pm Goodnight all…you too Me…we had our differences today but willing to put it behind us and move on. I just hope we can all be nice to one another….us fighting one another isn’t getting us anywhere, that is for sure, and takes our energy away from what we’re all here for.
Take care all.
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Good night JB. And I agree.
Tobias @ 4:22 – You said, “What about Jr. He’s a victim of his own parent.”
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It astounds me, Tobias, how you can gloss over or totally ignore Jr’s OTHER parent! You know, the “every other weekend mom (who takes drugs)?” She also bears some responsibility for the children.
me, I can’t believe Ronald was never arrested for having sex with a minor.. Misty was only 16 and Ron was an adult father of 3 children.. He should be a RSO. We know there are laws in place to protect children from pedophiles, but looks like they don’t apply in Satsuma..
No one, except LE knows what they are or are not investigating. This is their job. They know what they are doing and are trained for this, whether we know what they are doing, how they do it, or why they do what they do…..They know. They know things, have evidence and or proof, that not you, I, or anyone else has. If we had it, then every angle, investigation, etc… would be jeopardized. I can also bet they’re not just sitting around waiting on Misty to give them all the answers….They are just hoping she will. Just like I wouldn’t even attempt to tell a Dr. how to perform an operation….even if I didn’t understand. We shouldn’t assume that LE are not doing everything they can to try and get to the bottom of this. I can promise you another thing….they want this solved and over with just as much if not more than any of us do. I work in LE, in a different State, and not even myself or anyone I work with are privy to information on this case….It’s not our case. All I can give you is MHO that they are working very hard on this case and are also looking at and working different angles. And as far as keeping secrets, especially ones that can get you killed……yes~ it can be done. Especially by loser, drug addicts / dealers who have nothing to lose anyway….They’re only concern is their selves, which they have proven from the very beginning. IMO
Buddy, why can’t you believe it? What do you think, that they should have put cameras in Ron’s bedroom to see if they were having sex or not? LOL.
An RSO…lol. The age of consent in many states is 16.
Paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children….last I checked Misty was hardly pre-pubescent!
BTW, you say he is father to 3 children, but I’m pretty sure you know that Amber won’t allow her child to be DNA tested against Ron, so I doubt very much he is the father. Otherwise she’d go after child support from him I would think.
Buddy, I should have asked….where do you get that Misty was 16? Or are you just making that up? I think we all know she was 17, and just turned 18, but nice try.
Tobias @ 4:36 pm You said, “I agree with your statement above but when he did it to Junior, who needed him even more now well he gets nothing from me.”
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Once again, completely ignoring that Jr’s MOTHER DID IT TO HIM AGAIN, TOO!!!!!!
Why will you not even acknowledge that?
Talk about “free passes.” My gosh. Believe me, it makes your constant hammering of R (for real and VERY imagined flaws) over the past year extremely suspicious at best and weird at worst. (IMO)
m2c♥ said,in February 11th, 2010 at 6:19 pm —
Once again, completely ignoring that Jr’s MOTHER DID IT TO HIM AGAIN, TOO!!!!!!
Why will you not even acknowledge that?
Talk about “free passes.” My gosh. Believe me, it makes your constant hammering of R (for real and VERY imagined flaws) over the past year extremely suspicious at best and weird at worst. (IMO)
Yep, I feel the same.
Does anyone know how the vigil went? Did Crystal, Marie & Chad attend? I hope it went well.
Misty does not know anything but LE they are hard to get it when they are stuck and that is the issue. I don’t believe the door was staged because if it was going to be staged then someone would pry the door brake a window and set the stage. I thinks this was planned in advance and the moment waited for, the perfect opportunity. I thinks it was possibly for the sale of Haleigh and to hurt Ronald and more the latter than anything. The issue on the table is the fog Tommy and Lindsy Croslin have caused. Out of respect for Haleigh and her right to Justice they really need to come clean about that night if Tommy actually went there. The Mother needs to admit her doings in regards to the public display she held and explain why no matter the reason behind it, admit it. NO BS no secrets. It’s hard for people to move forward with a steadfast focus when their behaviour has caused such a distraction. LE will wait and see Misty has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately it’s Haleigh who pays the highest price while they sink it in.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
I can also tell you one more thing….whether this is the case in this situation or not….Those who “orchestrate” the crime(s), are usually the ones with the tightest alibi. They are cowards in reality and work behind the scene. Just because LE states someone has been “cleared”. It doesn’t always mean that they are… Those are the ones that become so confident and cocky in their believed intelligence of how they got away with something, that they are usually the ones, eventually to trip up…..Not saying this is the case here…..but it has been my experience.
me said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
m2c♥ said,in February 11th, 2010 at 6:19 pm —
Once again, completely ignoring that Jr’s MOTHER DID IT TO HIM AGAIN, TOO!!!!!!
Why will you not even acknowledge that?
Talk about “free passes.” My gosh. Believe me, it makes your constant hammering of R (for real and VERY imagined flaws) over the past year extremely suspicious at best and weird at worst. (IMO)
Yep, I feel the same.
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me3, I agree,
I am convinced she is Crystal’s family and has an agenda here.
My Opinion Only said,in February 11th, 2010 at 6:29 pm I can also tell you one more thing….whether this is the case in this situation or not….Those who “orchestrate” the crime(s), are usually the ones with the tightest alibi. They are cowards in reality and work behind the scene. Just because LE states someone has been “cleared”. It doesn’t always mean that they are… Those are the ones that become so confident and cocky in their believed intelligence of how they got away with something, that they are usually the ones, eventually to trip up…..Not saying this is the case here…..but it has been my experience
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Yep. I have always found it interesting that Marie gave Chad his alibi, and was adamant he was home, quoting the fact that she also lived there and she knew. Then later, when LE discovered he wasn’t home, she said she made a mistake. I know that I wouldn’t be mistakenly giving anyone an alibi for my granddaughter’s disappearance. Things that make you go hmmmm.
Not only that, but the belief that Ron’s alibi is so “solid”……I know there are many who think he had nothing to do with this…he was at work….etc…etc….whatever. He made dozens of calls to Misty that evening from work – why? Just to check up on her? BS. I am just finding him and his entire attitude hard to swallow. But, like I said, I don’t have all the true details of this case as LE does….I just know what I know from my own experience.
Ron tried to get the child from Amber. Does anyone remember that? The grandmother called 911. It was just weird that he would do that. I don’t understand it. I don’t understand anything about this case. It is frustrating.
My Opinion…I am guessing that the reason LE believe Ron has a solid alibi is based on the fact they have found independent corroborating witnesses to confirm it. Misty on the other hand, has no independent corroboration for her alibi, unless of course her cell phone pings provide some corroboration. Chad’s corroborating alibi witness, Marie (and perhaps Crystal also lied for him), had to retract their alibis when they knew they were caught lying. I wonder if Crystal did lie for Chad at the beginning…I am guessing she did, as I can’t see why Marie would lie and say he was with Crystal if Crystal was saying he wasn’t.
MyOpinion,in most cases I would agree with you. If you are truly LE in another state, no one knows more than you, what happens to a case when there is some type of corruption on the case. That is truly when one apple can ruin the entire basket. There is more than meets the eye here.
A doctor is a great example and yes, 99.99% of the time he knows best. However, if he has claimed my broken arm is caused by a hang nail for a year I AM QUESTIONING HIS INTEGRITY because I know he is not that stupid. As LE is too intelligent to believe “Misty is the key” for a year, in my humble opinion.
shockwave said,in February 11th, 2010 at 6:51 pm Ron tried to get the child from Amber. Does anyone remember that? The grandmother called 911. It was just weird that he would do that. I don’t understand it. I don’t understand anything about this case. It is frustrating
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shockwave,
I remember that….the call was highly suspicious/didn’t make much sense and Ron was never charged. Ron has acknowledged he may be the father of Amber’s son, but without DNA, I suppose he has no way of knowing for sure.
I find it very odd that they wouldn’t be going after Ron for child support if it was his child, so I tend to think he probably isn’t.
My Opinion, to be so pro LE are you now questioning their ruling that Ron has a sound alibi?
Like I said, it doesn’t matter where Ron or anyone was…….they work “behind” the scenes….they have others do the dirty work, while they cover their own axxx. They make sure that their alibi is tight…..the are and become overly confident…. and then they slip up. JMO and just my experience from past cases….Like I said, doesn’t mean this is the case here, but nothing is ever ruled out, whether LE says it is or not, until it’s 100% solved and case closed. Period.
me said,in February 11th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
An RSO…lol. The age of consent in many states is 16.
The age of consent in my state is 16 and Misty was clearly not a sexual innocent when she met Ron. For these two reasons, I do not regard him as a paedophile. He has been attracted to younger women in the last two relationships we know about, although I don’t believe that Amber was that much younger than he. Some site this as evidence that he is controlling, but we really don’t know this. It could also be that it boosts his ego when a woman looks up to him and he finds this more in younger women than older. There is an awful lot of gossip in this case which is being regarded as the truth.
shockwave, wasn’t that the rumor that Ron sent little JR a 3 year old, at the time, to the door to get the baby????
Aligoo said,in February 11th, 2010 at 6:58 pm me said,in February 11th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
An RSO…lol. The age of consent in many states is 16.
The age of consent in my state is 16 and Misty was clearly not a sexual innocent when she met Ron. For these two reasons, I do not regard him as a paedophile. He has been attracted to younger women in the last two relationships we know about, although I don’t believe that Amber was that much younger than he. Some site this as evidence that he is controlling, but we really don’t know this. It could also be that it boosts his ego when a woman looks up to him and he finds this more in younger women than older. There is an awful lot of gossip in this case which is being regarded as the truth.
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Yep, plus, at least 9 out of 10 men date women younger than them, and 9 out of 10 high school girls have boyfriends older than them. No biggie imo. And now the cougars have gotten into the mix, so perhaps the stats will change in time!
And what LE says to the public is what LE whats the public to either know or think. If this were just a case involving bank robbery, then the facts would be out there in 5 minutes…. But we are talking about finding a little girl. They just can’t put out in the public eye everything they DO know or perhaps even THINK they know. They just can’t.
In addition to my comment above….And please, understand….it’s not that LE, by any means is trying deceive the public in anyway, shape, form, or fashion. It’s the criminals they are trying to deceive. To catch a thief, you must become a thief. Once they solve this case, and I am confident that they will, eventually…it will all be made clear and I am sure that everyone will understand why they did and acted the way they have.
Myopinion,
You are not unbiased. You seem to assume a lot out of PCSO—-though you do not work there. I dont. I am an unbiased observer. LE IN THIS CASE PUTS OUT ONLY WHAT THEY WANT TO, LIKE MISTY HOLDS THE KEY NOTHING ELSE EXCEPT “TRUST US”. I DONT blindly trust, ANYONE. Sorry. What LE has put out for public view is appalling. If they dont want to look like key stone cops, they can keep the Misty holds the key to themselves, along with the other SUPPOSED evidence they have.
LE blew it big time..misty knows NOTHING!
My opinion, based on your experience with LE on other cases what would you think about the bio mom and grandma being called at 3:30ish, and not showing up until noonish?? Does that raise any questions?
bonanzajellybean said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Myopinion,
You are not unbiased. You seem to assume a lot out of PCSO—-though you do not work there.
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Perhaps you are right. I just know that we must have faith in LE that they are doing the best job that they feel they can at this point. I believe I stated before, that because they say Misty holds the key (and maybe she does, maybe she doesn’t)- They are not just sitting around waiting for her to spill the beans….They are working different angles and looking at everything as well….Perhaps there are “others” that they want to “believe” their focus is only on Misty…..I am not trying to defend anyone, I am just trying to give perhaps a little insight into the possible thoughts of LE, who truly want this case solved and Haleigh found……Like I said, over confidence and arrogance will get you busted every time….
Treece,
I know this was not addressed to me, but the first thing I thought was they were both too zonked out, from WHATEVER, to arrive any earlier.
My opinion, would you please respond to my 6:55 post?
bonanza, you could be right, I would just like to know the truth.
treece said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
My opinion, based on your experience with LE on other cases what would you think about the bio mom and grandma being called at 3:30ish, and not showing up until noonish?? Does that raise any questions?
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There is absolutely nothing in this case that makes sense….nor is there a parent one that seems to have their children’s interest come first…So, them showing up at noon, just proves again, no one here really cares about anything other than them selves and whena nd where they can take their next fix. I am tempted to agree with bonanzajellybeans comment. I just feel that if they “had” Haleigh as some have suggested, this would have been over a long time ago – Too hard to hide with all the public attention.
My opinion, I appreciate your response. Thanks for answering.
Does anyone know how this woman is related to Chad? She looks so much like him….I’m thinking it might be his mother. Does anyone know Chad’s mother’s name? Odd that we know all of Misty’s family’s name, but no one has looked into Chad’s family, even though there appears to be at least one RSO in it.
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=3289
And I’ve gotta run out and get some things done…hope Haleigh’s been found safe and well by the time I come back.
me said,in February 11th, 2010 at 6:17 pm Buddy, I should have asked….where do you get that Misty was 16? Or are you just making that up? I think we all know she was 17, and just turned 18, but nice try.
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me, she just turned 17 when Haleigh went missing.. The age of consent in Florida is 18
Sex Offenses
(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section. up to 15 years in prison
PROHIBITED DEFENSES. — Neither the victim’s lack of chastity nor the victim’s consent is a defense to the crimes proscribed by this section.
MyOpinion, I agree with what you say about LE. They are certainly expending an enormous effort and I’m sure they are doing a good job. We have to remember that multiple agencies are involved in this investigation, PCSO, FDLE, and the FBI, so there are all the combined skills as well as checks and balances. Just because we can’t see all that is happening or what they know doesn’t mean that they aren’t getting anywhere.
Treece, I’m sorry….I thought I kinda had addressed it, but I didn’t address it to you, sorry….But you said it yourself…LE is too intelligent to believe that Misty is the entire key to this case…..Please re-read my 7:02 and 7:05 post….LE doesn’t work in “absolutes” the way a doctor must. They work in ways and thoughts that are much different in order to catch a criminal. You must be able to think like a criminal would, having them believe certain things, etc…. in order to get to the truth sometimes. Posting publicly all of their actions, theories, etc…would do nothing but give the true criminal the upper hand. Does that make any sense? Unfortunately, the public can only know or be told what they criminal they are trying to trap can know or be told. It seems unjust to the public, but when you are dealing with people who would take, sell, or murder a child, you must do and say what you must do and say in order to get to the truth.
Seeing that Ron and misty both the maturity of….oh say….A ROCK, I really see no issue with this.
Seriously though, it is highly unlikely that this is a prosectory offense, as Misty had her parents permission, and she was 17. I know because my niece ran away at 17 to live with her 26 year old boyfriend, and try as my sister did, the DA did NOTHING about it.
“We have to remember that multiple agencies are involved in this investigation, PCSO, FDLE, and the FBI, so there are all the combined skills as well as checks and balances.”
And STILL, they cannot get an illiterate 17 year old druggie to talk.
Yes, but that illiterate 17 year old has been around and raised by criminals her entire life. Do you think she doesn’t know the ropes as far as how to lie, cheat and steal? Please, if there is anything she can do well, it’s lie and manipulate others. She has been taught well.
Romewi, The tape of Ron and his Mother on NG last night. The folllowing is in the transcript of NG from last night.
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NEVES: You got Misty in that cell over there, which nobody else would do, so…
RONALD CUMMINGS: Nobody else could do.
NEVES: Yes. So you know, you`re just — I`m very proud of you. Don`t you let anybody (INAUDIBLE) that I`m not.
RONALD CUMMINGS: Well, the way I see it is, I already told you…
NEVES: Yes, I know.
RONALD CUMMINGS: You know? If one of the two of them — you know, the whole time, we figured it`s got to be one of the two of them. If it`s one of the two of them, they got them pinned in a corner now because Crystal can wait six, eight months, and just here she is, pops up over here or wherever, in Texas and moves to Montana, whatever, you know, and — or the worst, so — but either way, we`ll know.
NEVES: Well, you just hang in there, baby. What are you crying for, sweetheart?
Excuse me, Myopinion only?
Isent that their JOB? To get the criminals? Why are you acting like Misty is SPECIAL? she is JUST YOUR GARDEN VARIETY DRUG DEALER AND USER. You tell me WHAT IN THE WORLD is so SPECIAL about her that after ALL agencies spend 10000 man hours and ONE YEAR, she has not said anything? I KNOW most criminals come from CRIMINAL FAMILIES for crying out loud. They learn criminal activity from SOMEWHERE.
You are sayig the SAME montrae as PCSO—“NOT OUR FAULT WE HAVE NOT SOLVED THIS CASE….BLAME MISTY, PUBLIC.”
That excuse would not get me out of Sunday Chapel.
I’m sorry~ There is just something about him (Ron) that I don’t trust or believe. I can’t shake it. I just can’t.
I am not saying in any fashion that Misty is the reason they have not solved this case. I am just responding to your post over how all these different agencies can’t “crack” her…. Because of her ability to lie and deceive. I am not sure where you got that I was blaming Misty’s silence for them not solving this case. I think I have said repeatedly that LE isn’t looking at Misty only for answers….she is just one angle. Because you are not with them, on the case, day end and day out, you nor anyone knows what they are doing. And, I think that if there are several agencies working on this case, and each of them agree that Misty has some, if not all of the answers to assisting them progress in closing this case, then they must know something of great value that you, me, nor anyone else knows and for very good reason. I am not sure what you do for a living, but I am sure that whatever it is, you feel as though you do it to the best of your ability, although others may not always see it that way. It is in this belief that I also have for LE and that they know what they are doing and are doing it to the best of their ability. That’s all I am saying, nothing more, nothing less. Each of them have the same goal.
bonanzajellybean said,in February 11th, 2010 at 7:47 pm And STILL, they cannot get an illiterate 17 year old druggie to talk.
She may be illiterate, but she is very street smart. She has learned that criminal activity rarely gets prosecuted and that bond is quickly lowered and paid. She’s seen that all the people she knows, friends, boyfriends, and family, can commit petty crimes and, bingo, they are released and back at home. So she does not yet feel enough pressure to talk.
I think she will be in for a big surprise when she finds out that PCSO is serious about keeping her in jail as long as they can and about prosecuting her on the drug charges as strongly as possible. Only when she realizes that she is in serious trouble will she cooperate.
That is EXACTLY what LE is putting out, that she is the KEY TO SOLVING, not providing additional evidence, BUT SOLVING the case, if only she would TELL. ”NOT OUR FAULT WE HAVE NOT SOLVED THIS CASE….BLAME MISTY, PUBLIC.”
If I have that wrong, then every news outlet has it wrong. Misty is THE key to solving this case, they all say, not A key, but THE key.
you guys are aware that there has been an arrest in the Somer Thompson case?
Aligoo, what criminal is NOT street smart? Tell me what is so special about Misty, over ALL OTHER CRIMINALS who HAVE been convicted?
My opinion only,
Can you conceive of the idea that if Misty has not “Cracked”, it is because she has nothing to tell?
Thank you, Protect, for the Somer news!
Bonanza, just making the point that illiterate does not equate to dumb. I did not mean to imply that Misty was special.
I do think, however, that she is naive about how serious crimes are handled and that this is a cause of her lack of cooperation.
Bonanzajellybean…….
PLEASE re-read my 7:20 post and 7:39 post….. Like I said, what LE says is what LE needs to say. Maybe it is their true beliefs, maybe not. But it is what it is. End of my explaining LE’s thoughts to you. Some just can’t grasp what they don’t understand. Truly this is the case with you and you just can’t seem to read between the lines.
Jumping in…there is nothing to crack Misty on. She is sincere in the videos (God, knows I would havde never said that in the past) this whole deal REVOLVES around current and previous SD’s…This is classic corruption!!
My Opinion Only said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Bonanzajellybean……Some just can’t grasp what they don’t understand. Truly this is the case with you and you just can’t seem to read between the lines.
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Some just don’t allow you to manipulate their view or out talk them.
I think that Misty not knowing anything could be possible, but highly unlikely. She has lied and tripped her story up too many times regarding the events of the evening / night….And if 3 different agencies believe she has at least some knowledge to help solve and close this case, then there must be something to it. Just as the saying goes, they can’t ALL be wrong, and you right. If very intelligent, professionals are in agreement that she at least knows something, then I believe that she indeed, knows something of value or they wouldn’t waste much time on her….Not that she is the KEY (as they have stated, for whatever reason) but just that she knows something of value to them.
blue moon, please read my 6:55 post, thanks, Treece
i feel that the police know a heck of a lot more about this than we do.
I trust that they will not make statements such as Misty is THE key if they did not have something to back that up with.
I’m sorry, but the girl has failed a gazillion lie detector tests. I can see one fail, but there gave been several.
Imo, she IS the key. She may not have harmed HaLeigh, but I feel that she knows who did.
She’s way too smart that, even if she had been asleep and had not been part of or witnessed it, that she has figured it out. And she is smart enough to know that she has to keep her mouth shut.
I think that when she gets settled into her new long term home, she will look at the bleak days ahead and give LE what they have been asking for. If she does not give them this info, then she will take it to the grave.
jodi said,in February 11th, 2010 at 7:53 pm Romewi, The tape of Ron and his Mother on NG last night. The folllowing is in the transcript of NG from last night.
NEVES: You got Misty in that cell over there, which nobody else would do, so…
RONALD CUMMINGS: Nobody else could do.
NEVES: Yes. So you know, you`re just — I`m very proud of you. Don`t you let anybody (INAUDIBLE) that I`m not.
Okay, this is very interesting to me. It seems I’ve also heard audio of TN saying to Ron something like ‘I’m proud of the decision you’ve made.’ Could this mean he was complicit in the drug sting? Just a thought; sorry if I’m duplicating somebody else’s idea.
I never posted to manipulate or out-talk anyone. I only tried to give some perception as to the thoughts of LE. The work they do is very stressful and they take a lot of BS. They are called on to help and save lives when needed, but put down and ridiculed when they don’t produce the results that the public want, immediately. I can only assure you that they are working very long, hard hours on this…and this is not the only case they are working on also, such as the Sommer Thompson case, which I have learned an arrest was just made. LE and FF can run into burning buildings, or into a hostage situation to save the lives of people they’ve never met before, not because they have to, but because they chose this profession. They are to be respected for what they do and when they don’t solve a case, it surely isn’t from lack of effort.
Treece, I may be wrong but are you implying I am a friend or relation to Crystal? If you are you can always go ask Jan or Simon and they will tell you I am not And that I live 100s of miles from Florida.
I will agree that Crystal is and has been a bad parent. She is I hope goingto do better now. But right now the focus is not on her and I can see why. Some people refuse to believe she may have had nothing at all to do with this. I HAVE JUST DECIDED NOT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HER UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SHOWS SHE IS INVOLVED. JMO
Treece, I did..thanks
Myoponlny…I know when I refer to a rougue person, I am NOT blaming the entire dept.. There are f**up individuals out there that ruin everything.
Trust me..I know there are Lone Rangers out there..
“Misty is the key” could mean that she knows something about somebody which, if she revealed it, could lead to the truth about what happened to Haleigh. It does not necessarily mean (although it could) that Misty participated in a crime involving this child. It appears to me that Misty is not yet talking because she doesn’t yet have enough motivation.
Aligoo, I don’t think M knows a THING!! She was drugged imo, and NO idea what happened in that house that night.
My Opinion Only said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
I agree with you 99.99% of the time that all public servants deserve the utmost respect. The one thing you didn’t respond to is what happens if there is one bad apple on the inside. It affects the entire basket.
Hi Gang!
I am very disappointed by all this personal bashing. I hate it and I won’t be apart of it.
Tobias, you’re strong, stay that way.
Luv to you all!!
Aligoo….that is all I am saying as well. 3 different agencies, with many, many well experienced agents, including FBI Pro-filers (which BTW, I am training to be….very interesting work, getting into the human mind of another) Anyway, when you have many like minds agreeing on one specific issue, then there must be at least something of value in that decision. Something…what that is, is up to the professionals on that case to figure out.
I would like to know how everyone can blame PCSO when we all know that FDLE and the FBI arealso involved in this case. Or has everyone forgot that major fact? jmo
ThugCops4, that is a very interesting transcript. I’m not sure what to make out of it. It could mean some complicity, but Ron has three counts against him. Maybe MyOpinion can jump in here, but I wonder if he agreed to go along with Misty and Donna selling drugs after he was caught doing some on his own.
I have no doubt that there are bad apples among the Police, and any other type of employment… but you have to believe that the good ones will be the ones that are victorious. For I believe that for every bad apple, there are 100 good ones, and they will overcome the bad ones. You can’t take one bad apple from the bunch and decide to throw them all away when there are so many of them that are truly trying to do the right thing. I told a friend of mine that worked in that dept. that there was someone there, I believed who was feeding info. to the criminals re: the case….So, don’t think for a minute that even the good apples don’t know about the rotten one(s)…..They know…..And some have been released from the case, and some may still be on the case….But again, I can assure you that those ones that truly have this case close to their heart and mind are working very hard to get closure and justice in this case for Haleigh.
JB said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:41 pm The same is true for Crystal. She’s been given a gift, a second chance at being a mom….and she fails a drug test. BUT, she is getting counseling and I PRAY she gets her act together for Jr’s sake. If she blows it again I believe Jr. should be placed in foster care.
I agree with jb above. I’ve said from the beginning of this Haleigh fiasco that neither of these beautiful children should be with the Cummings, Croslins and Sheffields due to the extent of criminality and drugs within all the families. I do believe that Ron does love his children but somehow is blindsighted as to what his lifestyle has done to them. Crystal, I had very bad vibes in the beginning from her especially as she “failed acting class 101” trying hard and failing, to squeeze out even one little tear and appearing to be on another planet. So much so, that Crackhouse Momma Marie had to speak for her. Neither woman appeared to (IMO) to seriously care where Haleigh was. I am appalled that the courts not knowing what else to do – would give Jr. to Crystal what with her drug use, and seizures which are so often the result of drugs or coming off them.
Crystal didn’t even have the decency to stop drugs when pg with Chloe. I said IMO that Jr. should have gone to a loving foster home family far away from Florida. Teresa and GGMA Skykes, to my knowledge, are not in the same messes as the other family members and if Jr. had to be with a family member, perhaps GGMA Skykes would have been the proper place for Jr. in order that to disrupt his little life any farther than necessary.
Tobias, what I am saying is that you excuse Crystal. You just said you will not say anything about her unless she is involved. I think she may or may not know anything about Haleigh. But it took her around 8 hours to respond to the call Haleigh was missing. She wrecked 2 times with Chloe in the car while she was high on drugs. She now has Jr and has failed one drug test and refused another. You excuse all of this but blast Ron for everything. You even state opinions as facts and blast Ron for those. You have judged and slammed his mother. You excuse Crystal and hammer Ron. I don’t approve of everything Ron does or says but I do not think he hurt Haleigh and I am not going to twist facts against him just as I am not against Crystal.
You slam Ron that he could cause a child to get drugs but never mention that Crystal buying drugs is supporting a drug dealer. In my opinion you are totally biased for Crystal and against Ron and yes I think it is very unfair. I think many peoples bias is still part of the Kim P and Marie campaign to spread lies about Ron. I don’t know either one of them but I want them both treated fairly. jmo, thanks for asking and listening.
Aligoo- Nope…I believe that Ronald’s arrogance and belief that he is smarter and better and just a step a head of LE is what got him caught… Except this time, that “bad apple” wasn’t made aware of this sting and what was going on…..And his cocky arrogance got him busted- Period. And this is just another example of why LE announces to the public only what they want the public to think and believe… Any additional info. could ruin an entire investigation or case.
I also believe that most (not all) of the video phone transcripts between these family members, although some of it is revealing when body language and tone, etc…is carefully studied, but they are for the most part all acts put on by the players in this case……They can lie and manipulate with their words to have LE believe they are innocent and know nothing re: Haleigh, but their body language and gestures tell a different story.
my opinion, for all the 99 out of 100 that truly have this case close to their heart and are working above reproach with integrity, I have the utmost respect for them and appreciate their sacrifice.
Blue Moon, you might be right, and I have sometimes thought this myself. But LE has stated that the physical evidence at the home does not match what Misty has said she did. If she was totally out of it then she might be confused, but she has been contradictory.
Misty may have been coming out of her drugged weekend and in an exhausted sleep, but still aware that something was going on. She could even know who was in the home that night.
jennalu, good post!!
Just because I very rarely mention Crystal does not make me a fan. Quite the contrary.
I just dont see any logical way for her to have been involved with Haleigh being taken.
And I do not slam Ron I just think his actions speak for themselves. I dont believe he did anything to Haleigh and have said it over and over and over. His life style did though.jmo
The simple fact(s) remain, that for some reason, LE and the others involved believe that Misty knows something that can either solve or at least advance this case….and until they can absolutely, 100% rule out that she doesn’t, they will continue with her until then…. They have to.
Thanks for your input, MyOpinion, but I am confused by that transcript excerpt shown by ThugCops4Christ at 8:45 pm above. Teresa Neves said “…You got Misty in that cell over there, which nobody else would do…”.
I can’t think of what else that might mean other than that Ron cooperated with LE in some way.
My Opinion Only said,
in February 11th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
I told a friend of mine that worked in that dept. that there was someone there, I believed who was feeding info. to the criminals re: the case…
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So you do know people directly on this case.
come on simon! hurry up with the tapes!!
Well, fellow bloggers- I have a thesis paper to write, believe it or not, on the Rationality and Reasoning behind the young criminal mind. (How fitting at this point, huh?) So, I need to get off this computer and start getting busy…It’s my last assignment before my “big” test and I need to ace this.- Good luck on your search for answers, but please believe, that LE is doing all they can and in a manner they believe is going to help get this case going forward~ Good night to all~
Goood luck with your thesis & don’t stay up all night on it!
I dont understand why everyone thinks she was so drugged up? She was back on Sunday and at the hospital to see her dad. There ws proof because WBG was questioned about a call he made to her and she sai she was there and then never returned his call later.
You can check it on you tube WBG interview he has on a yellow shirt. They also poligraphed WBG at that time.
And if you look at the research Roxies are out of your system after 6 hrs. she also slept on sunday night and monday before Haleigh came home. And she was awake enough to do laundry, cook and clean according to her statements. She even says at one point that Junior rolled over her to the otherside of the bed. And if you look at the mattress and tot bed she would be facing the tot bed when she got up how would she not see Haleigh being gone.
That is why I believe she decided not to do the reenactment with Cobra. jmo
Treece- I have only one person on this case, personally~ which is the only reason I feel I can come to their defense. Other than that, I am bound not only by my oath to up hold the law (because I am a good apple !! Lol : ) But, because, he is my friend and I keep my word to my friends. Have a good night everyone.
My opinion, hope things go well with your class. I wish you and every other “good apple” the best.
Thanks- I will check back with this blog to see where things “went” sometime tomorrow….
tibias, 9:40 post, I agree Misty was competent to babysit and had time for her head to clear. So that rules out all the bashing Ron has taken for leaving his kids with someone too drugged out to watch them.
True but why all the calls . That still bothers me. She goes away for 3 days and they are fighting and he calls 20 times and doesnt worry and even stops for beer and peanuts?
I wonder if Tommy ever called him back after he went to the MH ? And didnt Tommy wonder where Misty went with both kids and he knew Ron didnt know she was gone. Its a bunch of lies interwoven.jmo
Aligoo said,in February 11th, 2010 at 9:31 pm “Thanks for your input, MyOpinion, but I am confused by that transcript excerpt shown by ThugCops4Christ at 8:45 pm above. Teresa Neves said “…You got Misty in that cell over there, which nobody else would do…”.
I can’t think of what else that might mean other than that Ron cooperated with LE in some way.”
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That’s the way it struck me too.
Just noticed that Jodi (who posted the transcript first, btw) had a similar idea:
jodi said,in February 11th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
“Also, is Ron a narc or trying to let us think he is? Maybe that’s why NG sides with him and gave Crystal a hard time.”
Tobias, I don’t admire Ron’s lifestyle. It’s certainly not the way I live my life and I think he has enough smarts that he should be able to be able to improve himself. If not for himself, for his children’s sake. And for his mother and grandmother. They may not have done a perfect job raising him, but they appear to love him and may not have had the easiest lives themselves.
However, I separate this significant flaw from his love for Haleigh. I really believe he loves his children and they him. This makes him not all bad, in my mind, and I feel strong sympathy for him for his loss.
And if he wasnt worried why call Tommys looking for her? And if Tommy said she wasnt there where did he think she went with both of the kids? And no car of her own at that time and we all know how he felt about NayNay so yeah I think its fishy. n o one calls 20 times and decides she just shut off her phone. If it was like that he would have maybe called 3 or 4. jmo
LE had Misty after the first sell even before Ron was involved so why would he need to get involved if he was a narc? The first one was with Tommy and her. Look at the dates on the incident reports. jmo
Aligoo, I agree with you, and my heart breaks for his mom and grandma. I am sure they have done the best they know how. I am leery of parents that claim to have been perfect because I have never met a parent that didn’t make mistakes. I believe Ron loves his children and did nothing to Haleigh.
However whoever took Haleigh I want punished to the fullest extent of the law.
LE wanted everyone who was selling and guess who showed up? jmo
My Opinion Only said,in February 11th, 2010
I mean absolutely no offence to you by saying this….I know that many LE are hardworking, honest & clever. But not all of them are. I was involved in a case where a 13 year old boy was accused of attempted murder…they had him in jail for 6 months before he got bail. One family gave their version (which was designed to protect the real stabber) and the police accepted that version and went after the kid with a vengance. Thankfully, the independent witnesses gave an entirely different story and the kid was found not guilty, the prosecutor and police chastised, and the prosecution was ordered to pay the costs of the defence. It destroyed the kids’ life…..he will never be the same again. He was a good kid and had never been in trouble in his life, in fact he’d been a witness for the police in the past, against the very kid that did the stabbing…but LE were narrow minded, refused to look at the bigger picture. His family’s life is also destroyed and you can never give any of it back to them. Not all LE are very clever, and mistakes are made quite frequently.
PCSO is a small police force, probably the majority of them have nothing more than a high school education, and I doubt they have many, if any, specially trained homicide or other detectives. We cannot assume they are getting it right, particularly when they are saying an illiterate 17 year old is the key to crackign a case of this nature. That is a ridiculous statement. It may satisfy the Nancy Grace followers who don’t work in the field, but it’s not good enough for the rest of us who aren’t simply “sheep”.
Wow those tapes sure are taking a long time. Must be very interesting info or has someone been short sheeted. Sorry trying to cut the tension.
Tobias said at 9:53 pm True but why all the calls. That still bothers me. She goes away for 3 days and they are fighting and he calls 20 times and doesnt worry and even stops for beer and peanuts?
I don’t think we know enough detail about this to draw a good conclusion. If Ron hit redial 20 times in a row, he could have made all these call atempts on one 10 minute work break and then given up, assuming that she just wasn’t taking his calls. He may have felt that they had a spat but that it would blow over. He may have stopped to get her cigs as a peacemaking gesture. We won’t really know the context until we can read the specifics when they are released.
bonanzajellybean said,in February 11th, 2010 at 7:59 pm Excuse me, Myopinion only?
Isent that their JOB? To get the criminals? Why are you acting like Misty is SPECIAL? she is JUST YOUR GARDEN VARIETY DRUG DEALER AND USER. You tell me WHAT IN THE WORLD is so SPECIAL about her that after ALL agencies spend 10000 man hours and ONE YEAR, she has not said anything? I KNOW most criminals come from CRIMINAL FAMILIES for crying out loud. They learn criminal activity from SOMEWHERE.
You are sayig the SAME montrae as PCSO—”NOT OUR FAULT WE HAVE NOT SOLVED THIS CASE….BLAME MISTY, PUBLIC.”
That excuse would not get me out of Sunday Chapel.
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Very well said and I totally agree.
misty doesn’t even know how much trouble shes in let alone where is haleigh. Shes been LE’s scapecoat! she knows NOTHING!!
Me, if you would like you could research a detective John Merchant. Just google and some of his public arrests are on record . He is a very good Detective. I checked on it as soon as Ron mentioned his name very early on.jmo
tobias, did you see my answer to your question at 9:15? If so, do you think there is any validity to what I said?
protectkidz said,in February 11th, 2010 at 8:17 pm you guys are aware that there has been an arrest in the Somer Thompson case?
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OMG! Thank you for letting us know. I am going to go read about it now.
Let’s hope it’s interesting info!
Blue Moon said,in February 11th, 2010 at 8:30 pm Jumping in…there is nothing to crack Misty on. She is sincere in the videos (God, knows I would havde never said that in the past) this whole deal REVOLVES around current and previous SD’s…This is classic corruption!!
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Is this really Blue Moon???
Wow, you’re not kidding re the “God, knows I would have never said that in the past).
I’m with you…she does appear to me to be sincere in the videos. I think she’s told LE all she can re Haleigh’s disappearance. She may be lying about going out that night, but imo, that’s about it.
Well there is no use in talking with you . You keep bashing and slamming Crystal but I have never called you on it, yet you always do that to me when I even mention Ron, why is that?jmo
Me, given the severity of the situation, why do you think would Misty lie about going out that night (leaving the home)?
ThugCops4Christ said,in February 11th, 2010 at 8:45 pm jodi said,in February 11th, 2010 at 7:53 pm Romewi, The tape of Ron and his Mother on NG last night. The folllowing is in the transcript of NG from last night.
NEVES: You got Misty in that cell over there, which nobody else would do, so…
RONALD CUMMINGS: Nobody else could do.
NEVES: Yes. So you know, you`re just — I`m very proud of you. Don`t you let anybody (INAUDIBLE) that I`m not.
Okay, this is very interesting to me. It seems I’ve also heard audio of TN saying to Ron something like ‘I’m proud of the decision you’ve made.’ Could this mean he was complicit in the drug sting? Just a thought; sorry if I’m duplicating somebody else’s idea.
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If he was, this is getting ludicrous. LE have allowed a bunch of junkies and drunks conduct their own investigations. It’s pretty obvious few people have confidence in PCSO…you’ve got Donna Brooks, Cobra, Tim Miller and many other highly unqualified people conducting investigations and PCSO seems to be allowing it to happen. Pathetic. Does anyone know how many trained Detectives PCSO even has?
treece said,in February 11th, 2010 at 9:15 pm Tobias, what I am saying is that you excuse Crystal. You just said you will not say anything about her unless she is involved. I think she may or may not know anything about Haleigh. But it took her around 8 hours to respond to the call Haleigh was missing. She wrecked 2 times with Chloe in the car while she was high on drugs. She now has Jr and has failed one drug test and refused another. You excuse all of this but blast Ron for everything. You even state opinions as facts and blast Ron for those. You have judged and slammed his mother. You excuse Crystal and hammer Ron. I don’t approve of everything Ron does or says but I do not think he hurt Haleigh and I am not going to twist facts against him just as I am not against Crystal.
You slam Ron that he could cause a child to get drugs but never mention that Crystal buying drugs is supporting a drug dealer. In my opinion you are totally biased for Crystal and against Ron and yes I think it is very unfair. I think many peoples bias is still part of the Kim P and Marie campaign to spread lies about Ron. I don’t know either one of them but I want them both treated fairly. jmo, thanks for asking and listening.
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I totally agree.
me said,in February 11th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
“‘Blue Moon said,in February 11th, 2010 at 8:30 pm Jumping in…there is nothing to crack Misty on. She is sincere in the videos (God, knows I would havde never said that in the past) this whole deal REVOLVES around current and previous SD’s…This is classic corruption!!’
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Is this really Blue Moon???
Wow, you’re not kidding re the “God, knows I would have never said that in the past).
I’m with you…she does appear to me to be sincere in the videos. I think she’s told LE all she can re Haleigh’s disappearance. She may be lying about going out that night, but imo, that’s about it.”
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I’ve been thinking the opposite of this. Misty’s declarations strike me as panicky and very conscious of the the fact that she’s addressing the tv hosts and audience.
Ron wasnt involved in the drug dealing until later go look at the incident reports. they are dated. If he was working with PCSO he wouldnt even need to be in jail they had Misty on several counts before Ron even got involved.They know We are listening or he is lying to his mom. jmo
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 9:40 pm I dont understand why everyone thinks she was so drugged up? She was back on Sunday and at the hospital to see her dad
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Do you have any idea what a hypocrite you sound like? On the one hand, you constantly and consistently bash Ron and blame him because he left Haleigh with a drugged up babysitter, then you ask “I don’t understand why everyone thinks she was so drugged up?”. Goodness.
Thug 4 cops, I think she is mad because she didnt get bailed out. Nancy even said to Padilla that she should stay behind bars. She also was duped by Art Harris. jmo
tobias said at 10:37 pm Ron wasnt involved in the drug dealing until later go look at the incident reports. they are dated. If he was working with PCSO he wouldnt even need to be in jail they had Misty on several counts before Ron even got involved.They know We are listening or he is lying to his mom. jmo
Suppose LE had something on Ron prior to these dated incident reports and he agreed to go along with the “drug deals” to make them appear to be authenbtic in Misty’s view? I don’t necessarily believe this is what happened, but I can’t completely rule out the possibility either.
My Opinion Only said,in February 11th, 2010 at 9:36 pm Well, fellow bloggers- I have a thesis paper to write, believe it or not, on the Rationality and Reasoning behind the young criminal mind. (How fitting at this point, huh?) So, I need to get off this computer and start getting busy…It’s my last assignment before my “big” test and I need to ace this.- Good luck on your search for answers, but please believe, that LE is doing all they can and in a manner they believe is going to help get this case going forward~ Good night to all~
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Good luck with your assignment and test! It sounds to me like you are pretty new to the criminal justice system and I hope you maintain your ideals. I was writing those sorts of papers almost 30 years ago, and sadly, I have seen the reality of policing and the criminal justice system since then, and know that it is foolish to have blind faith in LE. Even though many of you are good guys and very clever, sadly, you will discover that many of your colleagues are not cut from the same cloth.
Me, You have me mixed up with someone else or just want my reaction. sORRY IF YOU HAVE NO ONE ELSE TO FIGHT WITH. i am leaving for the night so you may have to find someone else to accuse now. jmo
me said,in February 11th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
“ThugCops4Christ said,in February 11th, 2010 at 8:45
‘Could this mean he was complicit in the drug sting? Just a thought; sorry if I’m duplicating somebody else’s idea.’
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If he was, this is getting ludicrous. LE have allowed a bunch of junkies and drunks conduct their own investigations…
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Well, maybe it’s a far-fetched idea, but I’m not saying he initiated it. More like, maybe LE said,
A. we know about your drug deals
B. we can get Misty into a tight and useful
spot if you
C. bring her when the deal goes down and co-
operate when we apprehend you so
D. we can give you a plea deal after we’ve
found Haleigh.
Maybe I’m nuts. It’s just a thought.
Thug, please go to the incident reports and look at the dates. LE had Misty and Tommy even before Ron got involved. jmo
treece said,in February 11th, 2010 at 9:48 pm tibias, 9:40 post, I agree Misty was competent to babysit and had time for her head to clear. So that rules out all the bashing Ron has taken for leaving his kids with someone too drugged out to watch them.
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I just love your posts! Again, ITA!
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 10:50 pm ‘Thug, please go to the incident reports and look at the dates. LE had Misty and Tommy even before Ron got involved. jmo’
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Will do. Thanks! Do you have a link?
Its on bnn in Jan.
Just checking back with the blog…(It becomes addictive!) Anyway, I have been in LE for quite a while….and am well aware of the corruption that can take place….So long as I maintain my high ethics and do the best I can, I am satisfied at the end of each day. I am actually in training to become a Pro-filer…Hopefully for the FBI….That’s the goal. After many years in “reg” LE, I am ready to move on to something I am “better” at…..analyzing and sizing up people, situations, motives, etc…Ok, I have read the post and can work on paper again! ha ha….I have to get this done! about 3/4 finished though! Later~
How do the dates proves anything? Suppose LE enlisted Ron’s help, this resulted in Misty and Tommy’s arrests, and then Ron was “arrested” to cover up his assistance? (Just to be a devil’s advocate.)
Aligoo said,in February 11th, 2010 at 10:29 pm Me, given the severity of the situation, why do you think would Misty lie about going out that night (leaving the home)?
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I’m only guessing, but I think possible reasons for it might be…
1. She’s worried people will get mad at her and blame her for Haleigh’s disappearance (and she is probably right on that);
2. She knows she didn’t do anything to Haleigh, just wants the perp found and doesn’t think it makes a difference re finding the perp and finding Haleigh, whether she was sleeping or out of the house.
3. And throw into the mix, she was 17 and not very clever.
4. She is worried about getting charged for leaving Haleigh and Jr. in the house alone.
I’m not saying it’s ok to lie about whether or not she was home, or even that she did lie (I believe there is a very good chance she slept through it, but I also believe there is a chance she went out for a bit), just putting forward my thoughts as to why she might have lied if she left the house.
Thank you, me. (that sounds strange….)
I wonder if the person of interest in Somer’s case is also being questioned about Haleigh? He had a house in Northern Florida and was caught out of state. I sure hope he wasn’t involved with Haleigh. Poor Somer and her family and loved ones…I hope her killer is brought to justice.
Good NIGHT all Pray for Haleigh.
While we’re on the topic….this story just popped up!
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) – Eighteen corrections officers and a drug counselor are accused of trying to run a drug ring in two South Florida prisons.
The arrests announced Thursday by state and federal prosecutors were the result of a 2-year sting involving undercover FBI agents.
http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=11972483
Lots of bad apples!
The officers allegedly agreed to protect and transport nine shipments of what they believed to contain multiple kilograms of cocaine from Miami to West Palm Beach.
I am guessing Misty doesn’t look like such a kingpin drug dealer to some of you now.
tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 10:27 pm Well there is no use in talking with you . You keep bashing and slamming Crystal but I have never called you on it, yet you always do that to me when I even mention Ron, why is that?jmo
Tt could be ME SAID, LIKE NG HAVE A HUGE HANG UP ON RC ,,,I THINK RON HAS MORE TO DO WITH HIS DAUGHER MISSING THAN MISTY ,,,,TOBIAS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AS A GOOD PARENT THEY NEVER GET TO OLD FOR US!
Tobias,
I, like many others who have commented today, greatly enjoy reading your posts.
The ‘me’ poster is obnoxiously rude, and a bully. Probably fired from a job that required a criminal justice degree, and is still hurting and lashing out at law enforcement at every opportunity.
I wish there was a way to block posts from ‘me’ and a couple others who ruin good discussion here.
Ron is not a victim, neither is Misty. No pity party for either one.
Jason,
I’m not surprised you are standing by a fellow Ron basher. You are like two peas in a pod….broken records with your constant ron bashing.
I can assure you my job requires much more than a criminal justice degree. You can ignore my posts…it’s easy…give it a try. Please.
my opinion only,
You cant answer a straight question. I dont want to read between the lines—-that is SPECULATION, clearly NOT what GOOD LE is all about. It is clear you have a bias toward LE, since you WORK with them. Please dont insult my intelligence. I have a Ph.D in Molecular Biology and Biochemistry—so I CAN THINK.
Jason said,in February 11th, 2010 at 11:47 pm Ron is not a victim, neither is Misty. No pity party for either one.
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LOL…as I said.
Do you ever try to offer anything of interest?…are you interested in finding Haleigh? All you do is bash ron & misty every single time you come on here! I think you are obsessed with one or both of them. LOL.
bonanzajellybean said,in February 11th, 2010 at 11:51 pm my opinion only,
You cant answer a straight question. I dont want to read between the lines—-that is SPECULATION, clearly NOT what GOOD LE is all about. It is clear you have a bias toward LE, since you WORK with them. Please dont insult my intelligence. I have a Ph.D in Molecular Biology and Biochemistry—so I CAN THINK.
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I could tell you were very clever!
Does anyone know if the LE asked friends, family, associates of Tommy and Joe where it is they like to go in terms of the wooded areas in the area, fishing holes, places they went to schools, camping, anything and everything, and did LE search those areas? If there is no DNA on the block then that simply means the person was wearing gloves, however, would dogs that scent living beings still pick up a scent on the block even though gloves were worn? Allegedly no one had seen this block before is it possible or had it been to take the block mix it with others and give a dog a scent of Tommy Joe and down the line and see if the dog hits on the block like in a search. Give the dog the scent from clothing or what ever and set the blocks further away and let the dogs go and see if they hit on the block, is that possible? or was it? Seems to me no one should show up on it if no one knew of it, except those who handled it after.
Thank you, me. Back at you.
You don’t have a criminal justice degree or a job, obviously, as you’re on here bashing law enforcement around the clock.
If you’re interested in ‘finding Haleigh’, then do something to find her, instead of posting day-in, day-out on a blog.
Dustyrose,
So far as I can tell LE have not investigated Tommy or Joe much at all….and if they have, it’s recent. They pretty much cleared Joe almost immediately and treated Tommy like he was the good guy. Silly.
Re the block, unless they rubbed it against their body or something, I doubt it would have any discernable human scent.
Jason said,in February 12th, 2010 at 12:00 am You don’t have a criminal justice degree or a job, obviously, as you’re on here bashing law enforcement around the clock.
If you’re interested in ‘finding Haleigh’, then do something to find her, instead of posting day-in, day-out on a blog.
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LOL…whatever.
Jason,
Perhaps you can tell us how Hilda is related to Chad? Her victim was under 12. Do you know if she met Haleigh?
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=3289
Jason,
And what about the 5 or so other Griffis RSOs that live in and around Glen St Mary? Do you know if and how they are related and whether or not they met Haleigh? Perhaps you can ask Marie & Crystal next time you correspond with them, if you don’t already know.
Sorry for the ot…
But, talking about LE messing up…on August 10th, Harrell’s (the person of interest in Somer’s case) ex-roommates turned his computer, which contained child pornography, over to the police. In October, Somer was killed. Police charged him over the child porn today. What a shame they waited so long to arrest him for it. Probably would have saved her life.
I meant they probably would have saved her life if they arrested him before…they had it since August 10th…Somer was killed months later.
That predator should never have been on the loose.
bjb,
I agree. Unbelievable that they didn’t get around to arresting him til now. If he is responsible, LE are going to have some serious egg on their face. Tragic to think it could have been avoided if LE had done the right thing.
Seems that if he had the images on his computer, he should have been arrested then. That is pretty clear cut evidence and more than enough for an arrest warrent. I dont know how LE can defend this blunder.
Yep…unbelievable that they didn’t even charge him. He might have got bail and been back out on the street, but he probably would not have been so courageous as to kill a child if he thought LE knew what he was up to. And at least the neighborhood would have had an idea that there was a paedophile on the street. I think LE are going to be in some serious trouble over this.
I think common sense among some in LE is woefully lacking these days.
Harrell looks so much like Chad Griffis you’d think they were twins. Creepy.
It worries me that Chad is related to RSOs….often children who are sexually abused go on to become abusers themselves.
There are so many posters here who claim to have some connection to Crystal & Marie, so I’m really hoping someone can tell me how Hilda is related to Chad and whether the other Griffis RSOs in that area are related to him.
I believe there is a real chance a SO knew Ron worked nights, and deliberately targeted Haleigh, waiting for the right moment to take her.
Fla. trooper accused of writing bogus tickets
Who’s Blogging» Links to this article
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 3, 2010; 8:20 PM
MIAMI — A Florida Highway Patrol trooper based in South Florida has been arrested on charges of official misconduct, after authorities said he wrote hundreds of fake citations to drivers……
Authorities grew suspicious when the ticketed motorists began complaining they knew nothing about the citations. Prosecutors said Lawrence had used information from drivers he previously stopped to draft new tickets.
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Yep, Fla could do with upgrading their police recruitment policies!
She said her daughter then found child pornography, with girls as young as 6, on a computer and computer discs Harrell left behind. Harrell’s arrest docket provides graphic details of those images and movies.
Buchanan and her 46-year-old husband, Rod, said they went with their daughter to turn over the materials to police in August. Those materials were in turn given to the state attorney general’s Cyber Crimes Unit.
Processing was not finished until after Somer’s death, authorities said.
The Buchanans said they spotted Harrell’s vehicle outside his mother’s home a few days after Somer’s body was found and alerted police to their concerns about him. The couple said Harrell’s mother and stepfather moved out of the home about two weeks before Somer’s disappearance.
http://jacksonville.com/news/2010-02-11/story/sheriff_names_child_porn_suspect_a_person_of_interest_in_somer_thompson_slayin
Wow…LE in this case weren’t very bright at all, and it looks like it cost poor little Somer her life. I bet the Buchanan’s are shaking their heads in disbelief today. What were LE thinking?
Seems to me that most of all persons around this child would not turn up with a scent around the back yard, sheds, blocks woods etc. Would it not be wise to of done a live search for a scent of anyone who had not been in specific areas of the yard or woods behind the home. That would be very odd if someone turned up as a scent out back who had never been out back by family accounts. It probably would not have any weight in court but would be a good tool. What if they did a search that way and a dog hit a scent out by a shed in the back of someone who had never been there. It would just be a direction to look in. I wonder why always search with dogs for dead people and only that person why not live beings and all beings involved and or around the missing person? Just a thought
God bless Haleigh and all her families
I haven’t read this whole thread yet, so someone may have already said this, but……if Misty don’t know nothing and there is nothing to break, LE needs to stop feeding her ciggies everyday. Just saying
I wish they had listened to what Misty had to say and gotten Joe & Tommy’s clothes from that night to test for any possible dna of Haleigh on them, and I wish they would have searched Joe’s car.
katfish said,in February 12th, 2010 at 2:26 am I haven’t read this whole thread yet, so someone may have already said this, but……if Misty don’t know nothing and there is nothing to break, LE needs to stop feeding her ciggies everyday. Just saying
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If that turns out to be the case, they are going to owe her a lot more than ciggies when a good lawyer picks up the case. A few ciggies could never make up for what they have put her through.
Dustyrose,
If I remember correctly, I think LE did have dogs tracing Haleigh’s scent on the night she went missing. But I don’t remember the details of where the dogs went….it’s been too long.
me and Dustyrose- I don’t remember the exacr details but I do remember the dogs tracked her scent ot the water at some point.
*snipped* Law enforcement from neighboring counties and the FBI assisted in the search with helicopters and boats. Search teams combed the woods and divers worked the waters of the nearby St. Johns River.
Nancy Bump lives on the neighborhood and knew something had happened when she heard a helicopter circling overhead before sunrise.
Bump says search dogs led investigators to the river near her home.
“They walked right down to the end of the dock and ever since then they have been looking in the water,” said Bump.*snipped*
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131034&catid=3
me said,in February 12th, 2010 at 2:31 am
If that turns out to be the case, they are going to owe her a lot more than ciggies when a good lawyer picks up the case. A few ciggies could never make up for what they have put her through.
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Well if she truely doesn’t know anything they need to quit feeding her ciggies and just move on…..I don’t know what she knows, but she doesn’t have a lot of sympathy from me at this point, whether she knows or not what happened to Haleigh. I think Richard Jewel got a nice little settlement from the government after the real Olympic bomber was found.
katfish said,in February 12th, 2010 at 3:02 am
I think Richard Jewel got a nice little settlement from the government after the real Olympic bomber was found.
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Yep, but I’d be pretty sure he’d trade the money for the life they took from him. RIP Richard Jewel. Hero who died at 42 years of age thanks to false allegations and a public witch hunt. You’d think people would learn from that, and the Duke case and so many other cases. Very sad.
How did Richard Jewel die? I don’t remember hearing that.
me said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:56 pm tobias said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:49 pm Me, you really believe what you are saying so there is no use in explaining anything to you.
She was no middle man she sold drugs. Misty got drugs handed them to UC and took money in her little hand. That my friend is selling drugs. If you still believe she is innocent then everyone in jail should be set free. lol jmo
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Tobias, unlike you I don’t come on here to try to stir up hate towards a man who lost his daughter.
According to LE, she was the middle man. You obviously do not work in the criminal justice system and can’t differentiate between the various roles in the drug supply trade.
What sort of person has no sympathy for a 17 year old who lived with druggie parents who didn’t even bother to send her to school and who rob their blind neighbors? Sorry, but I am not as cold hearted and cruel as you and never will be.
Me;
This is where you are wrong. I just sat here and read the most God awful statement ever made to another blogger or PERSON in my whole life. You are more vicious, cruel, heartless, and uncaring then anyone who’s ever blogged here….and that’s saying a lot!!!
If everyone REALLY was here for HALEIGH…these kinds of attacks on members of this forum wouldn’t happen. Nope, these are people doing damage control for Ron & co. Why they think it’s so important, I’ll never understand. YOU can’t help him now! He is on his own! He’s done the actions that have gotten him where he is….He WILL have to answer for it.
Angel Ron has never borken a saucer….don’t you know that? (NOT!) That’s an old Southern saying for someone who can do no wrong. SOME people will allow Ron to get away with possibly even MURDER, just because they “like” his mom. Give me a break!
If Ronald didn’t have previous arrests it would be a lot easier to think it’s just recent issues that caused him to get involved with drugs.
If Ronald didn’t have a 17 yr old live-in GF who had just left him for 3 days to party like an animal, returns to the home with the prerequisite condom after having sex with another man and Ron told her to bring a condom cause he didn’t want to dive in there after WBG without one or he was afraid she’s really get pregnant.
If Ronald didn’t just get caught in a oxy/lori drug sting….
WHy didn’t Ronald go “straight” after Haleigh disappeared? Why didn’t he take a good look at himself and his life and decide to make some changes that would ensure not only Jr’s safety but possibly even Haleigh’s should she come home? There’s 1 of 3 answers:
1) He already knew Haleigh was never comming home
2) He didn’t care if his actions endangered his children
3) His mom kept petting him and telling him how it wasn’t his fault, he has done no wrong….he’s just the victim 🙁
Even if he is a VICTIM in Haleigh’s disapearance he should have known that he would get caught with Misty still & selling those drugs and then be viewed as guilty as H@ll….but that doesn’t matter at all.
Alcohol is a bad drug, I’ll agree but it has absolutely nothing to do with this case. The real issues surrounding this case are irresponsible parents (both plus GF) and PILLS. You’re only using that attack to try to make Ron look better and frankly, it just doesn’t. If Ron had gotten a DUI, I’d be saying “Yea, I guess he’s having a hrad time of it” If he got caught JUST using drugs I’d say the same (TM) but no, he was implicated in SELLING them, so that is NOT the same as just using to dull the pain. It scares me sometimes what these people are wiling to let Ron get away with scott free. I mean REALLY SCARES me!!!
I googled it:
Richard Jewell, who was miscast in the press as a suspect in the 1996 Olympic bombing, has died from complications of diabetes.
“I am not the Olympic Park bomber,” Richard Jewell announced to the press in 1996 after finally being cleared of all suspicion in the case. “I am a man who has lived 88 days afraid of being arrested for a crime I did not commit.”
He suffered for years from diabetes and kidney problems, and his death has been ruled “of natural causes.”
It is true there have been plenty of public witch hunts.Very sad
me said,in February 11th, 2010 at 5:00 pm shockwave said,in February 11th, 2010 at 4:51 pm Me…Post your own comments and quit using other people comments to make yourself look smart. You didn’t even complete your point on the last comment, or at least it didn’t make any since. Also, Tim Miller is a good man. Everyone makes mistakes. TM is nothing like RC, who is controlling, manipulative, selfish, and just plain thuggish.
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Charming…more victim bashing. I would bet you’ve never even met Ron
I guess the question then becomes….Have you met Ron? Are you related? Do you know him personally? It that what this AGENDA is all about?
Simon what is BTR? Is it radio or TV?
Blog Talk Radio
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/
once there search for Simon Barrett. CHeck the dates as there will be more than one choice. The newest is usually nearest the top of the listings.
cheers!
Hollys Gmom,
Sorry, but I didn’t read all that. When I saw you start bashing Ron and holding him responsible, I turned off. I’m not interested in reading any more Ron bashing.
Hollys Gmom said,in February 12th, 2010 at 3:35 am
I guess the question then becomes….Have you met Ron? Are you related? Do you know him personally? It that what this AGENDA is all about?
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People who don’t think Ron did it don’t have an agenda. But those of you who do little more than bash him all day appear to. Please stop addressing me in your posts.
Hollys,
What’s going on with your Haleigh sighting? You mapped them all out yet? LOL.
Did y’all know Hollys saw Haleigh? She got herself some press for the sighting.
HollysGmom said,in January 28th, 2010 at 2:34 am This is actually happening..People have been asking about my posts that have gone missing. I was checking out Misty’s FB when I saw that someone named “LawEnforcement” was her friend. I clicked on their page & found Crsetview PD so I clicked to see if Tenessee or Kentucky (both have Crestviews) but no, it’s my own home town, very small and while I was posting to you guys the name, phone number, address and ALL changed in it’s place was a different FB account. I’m freaking out!!! The officer I forwarded my sighting update did say and I quote “Everything is being tracked” ohh what have I gotten into? I should probably just shut up but I’m scared now.
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Who were you scared of?
HollysGmom said,in January 28th, 2010 at 2:46 am I’ve just had my site crash…pary for me & my family…
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Who did you think crashed your site??? The police you forwarded your sighting to? Why do you think they’d do that?
Morning everyone,stopping by to see whats new.It seems we all are so emotionaly involved,in this case.I undersatnd,i have followed All about little Haliegh,an Ronjr from the beginning.Looking forward to hearing the radio show.I to get a little tired of hearing time line,an key to the case.Its been a yr,an if no ones figured it out yet .I am so done with Haliegh being gone with out a trace. To the blogger who mentioned roxys being out of a system in 6 hrs.No it takes 3-5 days to clear opiats out.An also if a drug test is given,they can tell if you have taken only one,or have a quantatie in your system.I take 5 Roxys a day,due to serious health issues.My Pain mangement DR took me off Percocet 10/650 because of the extra base,in the perks/was tearing my liver up.Im not a drinker,have a beer on accasion,or a glass of red wine.Misty may have been lathargic from her weekend.Strong opiat meds,will make you sleep hard. She seems to be drying out some now,an actualy seems truthful. Crystal could also be where these 5 are,if UC,would have been after her. Also Misty with no former conviction/her lawyer could get her a PTI program,counseling Rehab.An probation,or home bound by device.She wont get 20 yrs,at the most 3yrs,now Ronald may because of record/an Tommy may for the same reasons.I have had such a strong feeling that,Ronald,an Misty did not have anything to do with Halieghs disapearence. Im usualy all over someone to do,with a child missing.-Just so much going on between all 3 families-to many SO,in, an out of county-The only one Misty has ever pointed a finger,or made comment towards.It the cousin who left,when van was moved,found scratched The one who they said stole Ronalds gun,he has SO record.I just think when the truth comes out/i may be dead when it happens.taking so long. I think many will be shocked at who took this beautiful bright eyed blonde haired Haliegh. She a doll baby.Im sure little Butterbean is lost without her,an taken from all he really knows.GG-Sykes-G ma TN.I am sure MG loves these babies also,as the mother does.-Im sure LE,checked the owner of the trailor,an all in the park.You know some one was takling about dreaming of a septic tank,It could be a under ground holding place.Some one could have Haliegh in.It has happened before.They take children,young girls.Just think of the man who took the 11 yr old,found,18 yrs later.She had 2 daughters by the pedifile,who had served time for this type crime before.Also the person,of Int.arrested with child porn,whos home was near Somers home.Someone called in an asked if he was Somers abducter,murder/could he have taken Haliegh.The Anwser was,if he is the person,who did this,snatching /murder-It would,only put him 3 hrs away from Haliegh.Many are looking at all avanues,with Haiegh missing. It seems those counties,an the people have been involved,in drugs on the street a long time. I think Little Haliegh being taken.Has cause those counties to be an open book.You know we dont know if UC,was the reason they were in the street seeking pills,who knows.Set up for sure. Where did,the pills come from? How much everyone made off them,i heard 3 differnt news stories -2,500–3,ooo–3,900 so which is it? what was actualy sold? i know they said 300 pills-was it in one night? Has anyone else been arrested,or do they expect any new arrest in this case? I just feel Misty was just running scared,no one to talk to,no one wanted her,unless they thought she could be used to get a story,or reward.Or pills for them. I would have taken her,Loved her,put her in church. But shes getting a little spunk back,as she is now dried out.Why didnt anyone offer them,the same help Crystals offered? When this first happened.An instead of setting them up,help them get clean.Tommys wife said Rehab cost 8,000,no drug addict can pay that!!it should be free. LOL all those phone calls from Ronald,his man hood was hurt,an these young ones around here get in a fight.They call,an call,until one get tired of it an turns the phone off.It drives me nuts lol-youth,an young love.
Im just so glad Jesus said –i didnt come to condem–but to save. We as a people are so quick to condem!!! It happens when a child is involved,He also said Gossiping was a sin.WoW,i guess we all need to repent .Im serious,The saying only God can Judge me is so true.We as a people are so quick to Judge.I find myself asking forgiveness,many times.Because i have a issue with these problems.May you all be richly blessed,for caring about these little children.Please dont fight among your selves.We all want the same thing -for Haliegh to be found.Have a wonderful day.I will surly be back to hear Jan,Simon,an TJ,on the radio show today,at 1-Been on this net all night,i am going to rest some,before i start,my day.Chat later. I pray all the children are safe this morning,an those missing are found!!! Haliegh your always in my prayers.
Haaa Haaa…well apparently you read a lot of my posts. If you think I’m embarassed by your repost of my stuff…I’m not. I did report a Haleigh sighting, I do still wonder if it was her. At the SAME time I see Ron as not caring as much as people want to portray because IF he had….he wouldn’t be sittin where his is today. As per who was I afraid of….well, I live in a county where my Sheriff was taken down by the FBI last year in Las Vegas on Kick-back scemes from bonus payouts to his officers 🙂 SO far about 30 have been fired because of it. IMO that was just the tip of the berg, so to speak. I’ve seen plenty of corruption up close. I talk to A LOT of people and several have had problems with harrassment over their association with this case.
He’d have done things totally differently. He didn’t have to MARRY MIsty to keep her close. That girl wasn’t going anywhere. He didn’t have to accompany or meet her at a drug deal! I think that what bothers me the most is the fact that he has no humility about himself at all. Total debial and refusal to accept that MAYBE his lifestyle played a part in his daughter’s disappearance, to even once say “if only I had…”
That stretches from Misty possibly being gone leaving 2 very young children alone for who knows how long; when he had EVERY reason to ask just about anyone else and left OPPORTUNITY for Crystal or her representative to take Haleigh
or
a pedophile
or OD
or TC
He brought them all into their lives, even Crystal & even possibly a ped. He CHOSE to have kids with Crystal and she CHOSE to have them with him. Now, because the two supposed adults can’t get along they BOTH want to x the other out of the kids lives. They both need to get over themselves and worry more about the lives they have created!
Wow – you guys have no idea how crazy y’all sound to someone outside of the conversation.
NOTE TO SELF – just say NO!
LFlorida….how was the vigil? 🙂
I am just now getting back online to read all the post since my last one…..I have read and re-read my postings and the postings of others to me…some good, some not. About me being biased “for” LE because I work in LE….Perhaps that is true. I have to be. I work in that type of work and if I can’t or don’t believe in the work and effort that many LE’s put into each case they are working on, then why do I even go forward in this field. It is imperative that I remain faithful in my beliefs that LE does make a difference for the good, otherwise, what am I fighting for? Yes, there are some who have taken their position with LE, through-out the entire US…heck, the entire world, and used that power or authority for their own evil means. Sadly, most of them didn’t start out their career in LE with bad intentions, but somehow ended up there…But, this is the case in every job / career. Some become teachers to get close to kids…some become doctor’s and/or pharmacists to have access to drugs and so on, so on…. But I believe that we just have so much negativity when we hear of “bad” LE, because it is their job to serve and protect; up holding the law….not to break it. But it happens, yet still, I must defend. I have to believe that good trumps evil in the end…..No, I KNOW that it does…and still, even with the bad, there are more sincere, hard-working, loyal LE out there with the sole purpose to up hold the law and get justice where justice is deserved. And we MUST support these individuals for this. We can’t assume that because they are human, and may make mistakes that they are corrupt or evil. Now, that aside……
About Haleigh, which is the purpose of this blog site to begin with……
I have read where many have posted, why hasn’t LE searched areas of the woods were POI (family members, etc…) live? Why have they not taken K-9’s there? etc…. I can assure you, that all though the public may not be aware, THEY HAVE and THEY WILL CONTINUE to search those areas and many, many more areas of interest. These are done by very professional, dedicated Officer’s / Detectives, privately, in order not to tip anyone off. I feel as though by telling this little bit of info. to you doesn’t hurt their case or some how represent betrayal or I wouldn’t post it. But you are talking about 1000’s of wooded areas, some so thick, the K-9’s can’t even enter…You are looking for a needle in a haystack and it’s an exhausting and extremely frustrating task. And not only that, but someone said that PCSO is a small department. That being said, they are a small department with an overload of cases. They can’t take all their manpower to only find Haleigh. In an ideal world, they would have enough manpower to have enough Officers assigned to and dedicated to each case they have, but we don’t live in a world or economic time where that is possible, not even for the largest LE Departments. But, it doesn’t mean that solving and bringing Justice for her is any less important, it just means that they have a lot of other cases that need much attention also.
You must also remember, everything you read is not always the truth…..such as certain individuals being cleared, or whatever the case may be….If LE posted or made public everything they had or knew on this case, or any other high profile case, any private investigation of certain individuals, or whatever they may be doing, could be jeopardized and halt any progress made at all. Many, many things must be kept secret or in confidence in order to keep the true criminal blind…..confident….Everyone keeps saying that a bunch of druggies have out-smarted, out-witted LE, but I can assure you, they haven’t. Also, all of the postings stating why hasn’t LE searched….here….or there….or why have they not questioned this person…or that person….Well, they have, whether it’s been made public knowledge or not. Their (LE’s) minds and efforts are not closed off to any possibilities ~ all things being considered. I have no doubt that eventually they will solve the mystery of what happened to Haleigh. However, I am not as hopeful that they will find her, if she isn’t alive; which I believe she isn’t. I feel, IMO, that if she were, someone would have spotted her, with all the attention, and she would have been found. Yes, some have said they’ve seen her…..? Maybe they have. I don’t know. I know that if I thought I saw someone who was missing, I would call LE at that very moment, just to be sure. I would get Lic.Plate numbers just in case those who had here left before LE arrived, but no one did that. There are 1000’s of 6yr old, blond haired little girls who resemble Haleigh, but as much attention as this case has gotten, who would be foolish enough to take her to Wal-Mart? Not without changing her appearance first, anyway. So, with that being said, if looking for a “live” Haleigh, we may not even be looking for a blond haired child. Yes, a very difficult task for LE, in deed…….Dead or Alive, they have got a very difficult task in trying to get to the bottom of this and the only thing or persons they have to go on at this point, because of evidence, etc….(which none of us truly know about or what they have, etc…) is a bunch of low life, thuggish, drug dealers / users. Everything LE, including all the different agencies, etc…on this case, are using strategic practices, that they are trained very well on, and at this point, believe will help them with some answers.
So, In closing, yes, I do support PCSO and all of LE, despite the “bad apples” with in the bunch. I have to support them and believe that what they are or are not doing in this case is based on what they believe will progress this case, at this time. And again, even though they have stated, “We believe Misty holds the key”~ it doesn’t mean that they are relying solely on her. She is just one key or possibility they’re pursuing, based on what THEY know, along with many other avenues. Sorry for the long post, but once I started, I just couldn’t stop…. : ) Ok, go a head….blast away on the negative comments ~ I am ready. I’ve had my morning coffee and snowed in at this point, with nothing more to do……
“It scares me sometimes what these people are wiling to let Ron get away with scott free. I mean REALLY SCARES me!!!”
Hollysgmom,
That is WHY Ron is the way he is, he is surrounded by enablers. There is massive guilt on the part of his mother, who did not really raise him, to make it up to him by supporting him in every asinine thing he does. Ron is not going to get away with traffikking. He is going away for a long long time.
I think the confusion comes when bloggers give their opinion on who the perp is NOT. That is taken as “support” and “liking” for this person. I do not support Ron. I do not like him, know him, want to know him, think he is scum for drugs, traffiking and god knows what else, think he exposed his children to danger, think he NEVER should have been a father or have custody of his kids, believe he belongs in prison for 20-30 years longer if possible, for drugs, believe that once he gets out he will go back to being scum………BUT, I do NOT believe, given what is out there in the public, that he is in any way, shape or form responsible for Haliegh, nor do I believe for a moment that he hiding ANYTHING that can lead to Haleigh. There is just no support for this.
BTW: Relax. No one is targeting you for ANYTHING involving the CLAN. They are just your typical trashy neighbors. They have NO POWER over ANYTHING.
Jan57, I guess I don’t know for a fact, however in my state, any addict wanting rehab is able to receive it for free. They get an alcohol/drug assessment done through social services and if found appropriate, they can enter a rehab program for free. It’s all about how badly you want the help. Expense is generally no excuse for not receiving help.
methinks, i have not read the thread, so i will probably be sorry i am posting. i saw on the internet somewhere that when crystal lost custody of the children, she did voluntarily enter rehab. but had to leave after a week due to no money or insurance. now if that is true that would be several years ago. so maybe availability for rehab might be different now?
myopinion only,
You sure flip flop on your opinions about LE. Of well, I will stop picking on you now. You bring knowledge about LE that is useful to this site, so glad to have you.
ms.peridot19, you may be right. Like I said, I don’t know for a fact. I live in Minnesota and back in 2001, I entered a treatment program voluntarily. I had small children at home and was on AFDC. I was evaluated by social services and was admitted emmediately. I stayed 63 days. I have never received a bill. I guess with all the cutbacks from state to state, things may be different now. It’s sad that Crystal was turned away due to inability to pay…if indeed that is the case. I hope things change as it is always money well spent if the children are getting healthy parents back after going to rehab. I know it took me years to get completely clean. many relapses, many tears shed, but in the long run, you can’t lose when helping addicted parents come away stronger.
bonanzajellybean said,in February 12th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Hollysgmom,
That is WHY Ron is the way he is, he is surrounded by enablers. There is massive guilt on the part of his mother, who did not really raise him, to make it up to him by supporting him in every asinine thing he does. Ron is not going to get away with traffikking. He is going away for a long long time.
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good afternoon bjb, i agree about tn and why she treats rc the way she does. same with lisa and misty. maybe even chelsea and lindsy too (they seem to mother misty.) except, the difference is lisa is not saying you did this for haleigh. i wonder if hank or hank and lisa really want the truth to come out. i did think at one point when misty was saying i don’t know anything, hank, almost had a look of “yeah right” on his face. ———————
i will be surprised if mc or rc serve much time in the end. but, i don’t really understand all of all the legal stuff!
methinks said,in February 12th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
methinks,
i really hope mn still has the same policy. i would bet it costs the taxpayers much less in the long run, by not having to take the children completely away from the parents – so for people who think of the financial cost.
but, more important it sounds like some people get their lives back and the children get their parents back.
i hope crystal has a real chance of getting clean. some have posted the odds of getting clean are practically nil. i wish she did have the opportunity the younger and sooner. well, whatever she is getting now, i hope it helps and she succeeds.
i sincerely want to say i am so happy for you and your family! you must be incredibly proud of what you have overcome and accomplished.
with the newer drugs people are abusing, i think i would put alll the facts out there for children in schools. and i would put it on them, that they have to live with their choices and so does everyone who loves and cares about them. i mean people really need the knowledge about the consequences. and maybe really come up with a program on how to deal with real life situations children encounter. give them tools to be prepared ahead of time.
i don’t know if schools have people with your experiences come in and talk about what drug addiction did to you and you family and friends. i know many parents would object. but, i think children/people need to know up front and make it personal to them. i think prevention is the biggest cure!
Bananzajellybean said:
My Opinion Only: You sure flip flop on your opinions about LE. Of well, I will stop picking on you now. You bring knowledge about LE that is useful to this site, so glad to have you.
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I don’t think I am “flip-flopping” ~ I still maintain my support, as always….but I still must acknowledge that some who work in LE are not credible in the work they do….A hard fact to state, but thought I should at least acknowledge that fact, as to not seem so bias or naive about what’s going on out there, all over…..
My opinion, you did not offend me nor do I want to blast away at you. I thought you stated your points and at the same time were willing to acknowledge mine. Thanks, Treece
Simon, are we not supose to listen to these audios? I have the software to listen. Why cant it be done? TY
Anne
Putnam LE is asking the world to end a life that means each human being makes the choice to snuff out the life of a 17 year old girl based on their statements that they have 100% guaranteed never able to be disputed, no other option, no other explanation, Physical evidence that matches only Misty Croslin’s DNA. This evidence beyond any shadow of doubt proves she is not being truthful about the events that happened that night. Their guaranteed evidence proves that her story does not match her statement. Then what is it? Prove it, provide it, show the world they have it. Charge her with obstruction and any other applicable charge. I think the most of can absorb it and appreciate the choice rather than being lead around like mindless drones by your hate and manipulation. Are we allowed that? Some times it is as though they do not think the public has a right to make a choice with our own minds to end a life on their behalf. They have not done it because they don’t have what they say. They have what they have an opinion on that could have numerous other scenario’s and they don’t want to present it because they know it. Misty is on right track, swing full fists, come out of that gate like pissed mad and swing. Don’t take it, sue them. Make them present it, make them put their proof where their mouths are. This department is so stuck that they are not just going to convict an innocent person when the truth comes to light Haleigh quite possibly will not get Justice. This department is bad not just corrupt they are flat out bad. Why does any Judge talk with some agent about Misty’s sentence and already the Judge says she is giving the 114 years to Misty. Ronald said it in an interview it is planned for Misty to go before the female Judge and given the 114 years. What is going on in Florida? This is a huge Human rights issue and needs to be investigated.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Wow, Simon has an admirer!
If you are truly keeping up with things, then you know that Simon & TJ are working as a team.
And yes, he does have a lot of followers. Isn’t that amazing? Apparently he’s doing something right, huh?
Simon, Jan, TJ and a lot of others have a lot invested in this precious little girl. You can tell it’s coming from the heart. If I didn’t think so, I wouldn’t be here.
Wow DustyRose….What a sad, lonly, paranoid world you must live in if you feel as though not only the PCSO are dumb axxx, but so are the 2 other, very respected, gov./fed. agencies involved in this case…..I hope you are never in need of LE assistance….Ya know, they have medication for such paranoia and treatment centers as well. I wish you luck with that….
DustyRose…great post and I agree.
ForHaleigh…how rude. DustyRose is clearly intelligent and able to think for herself. I’m not surprised you are aware of meds for mental health issues…you might want to get your prescription changed…doesn’t look to be working.
My Opinion Only said,in February 12th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
I have to say I agree with everything MOO said. Why there are always a few “bad apples” in ANY religion, Career, or social level, I agree that MOST LE are doing thier jobs from the heart. I know whenever I need help they are the FIRST call I make and I don’t HANG-UP on them either nor do I refuse to give my name.
I also VERY MUCH believe that LE has WAY more then we know at this point and I ALSO believe that when the truth comes out several will be extremely shocked and hurt by the truth.
Dusty @ 8:31, well said. Although I may not agree with all you’ve said, I can and will acknowledge a “working” thought, and you’ve shared plenty.
ForHaleigh: That was a little harsh, but I do see your point…….but we should all try to be a little more tactful.
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DustyRose: Granted, everyone has a right to their own opionions, you seriously can’t believe, deep down, that ALL of the Agencies are involved are wrong, and don’t have a clue what they are doing? Just something to ponder on…
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And last, HollysGmom: You hit it on the nose…I quote You: “I also VERY MUCH believe that LE has WAY more then we know at this point and I ALSO believe that when the truth comes out several will be extremely shocked and hurt by the truth.”
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And last, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, FOR IT’S NOT “MY OPINION” BUT IT’S A KNOWN FACT….I quote myself from my last post: “You must also remember, everything you read is not always the truth…..such as certain individuals being cleared, or whatever the case may be….If LE posted or made public everything they had or knew on this case, or any other high profile case, any private investigation of certain individuals, or whatever they may be doing, could be jeopardized and halt any progress made at all. Many, many things must be kept secret or in confidence in order to keep the
true criminal blind….confident.”….. “Everything LE, including all the different agencies, etc…on this case, are using are strategic practices, that they are trained very well on, AND AT THIS POINT, believe will help them with some answers.”….”….even though they have stated, “We believe Misty holds the key”~ it doesn’t mean that they are relying solely on her. She is just one key or possibility they’re pursuing, based on what THEY KNOW, along with many other avenues…. And lastly, “I have no doubt that eventually they will solve the mystery of what happened to Haleigh. However, I am not as hopeful that they will find her, if she isn’t alive; which I believe she isn’t.” (End of my quotes)
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Now, they are closer today than they have been in one year to getting some answers to this case, and you must believe and keep faith in that. They are working LONG, exhausting hours and on the edge of discovery…..Just stay tuned, and remember…take everything you read with a grain of salt; For the truth is not always as it may seem. Everyone have a good day. (BTW…I got my thesis done!) And if I say so myself, it’s brilliant! : )
My opinion, congratulations on finishing your brilliant thesis!!!
So you think Haleigh is dead and you doubt her body will be found but are confident they will solve the case. Would you mind to explain that and tell us what you base that on? Thanks
Treece, Hello and good afternoon. Sorry it took so long to respond….I have hungry kids who I had to take care of first…I will TRY to answer your questions to the best of my ability, without compromising my integrity….Do you get what I am saying?
Some of what I’ve said, is IMO and some of it, factual, or believed to be, anyway…..
First….”So, you think Haleigh is dead….” I write that for a couple of reasons. I will start with the “IMO” reasons….and take it from my previous post…..”….If she were alive, someone would have spotted her, with all the attention, and she would have been found. Yes, some have said they’ve seen her…..? Maybe they have. I don’t know. I know that if I thought I saw someone who was missing, I would call LE at that very moment, just to be sure. I would get Lic.Plate numbers just in case those who had here left before LE arrived, but no one did that. There are 1000’s of 6yr old, blond haired little girls who resemble Haleigh, but as much attention as this case has gotten, who would be foolish enough to take her to Wal-Mart? Not without changing her appearance first, anyway. So, with that being said, if looking for a “live” Haleigh, we may not even be looking for a blond haired child….” Plus, someone, somewhere would have come forward by now, IMO, if she were alive….AND, it is a proven fact~ that most abductor’s (be it a family member, or stranger) kill their victim within 36 hours; out of fear, because their plan isn’t going as expected, or because they realize they have no other option or way out of the situation they have now gotten themselves in.
And as far as basing my statement on FACT, the only thing I can say is quote myself again from above….and I am sorry, but it is all I can really say about it….”Many, many things must be kept secret or in confidence in order to keep the true criminal& confident of their success.” BUT, that being said, as far as being “factual” it’s also an opinion, we already know that the word of criminals can not always be taken as truth….They will lie, cheat, and steal using every means of manipulation to get what they want…. Therefore, as I said above, “Their (LE’s) minds and efforts are not closed off to any possibilities ~ all things being considered”….even the possibility of locating Haleigh alive, for obviously that would be the best outcome.
As far as me stating that I believe they will eventually solve the case…….Right now, I just feel as though I can’t answer that. I know this is not what you want to hear, but the only thing I can say is, again, ……..”Many, many things must be kept secret or in confidence in order to keep the true criminal blind…..confident” I know it all sounds like a bunch of LE BS….but I am only trying to let you know, this will eventually end…..
Next, you asked, “if dead, why do I believe they will not find her……” Now, this is all based on “IMO”- (and what I am going to say may sound graphic or without emotion, but there is no other way to say it) If dead, she had to be “discarded” somewhere, correct? It has been a year. Just the elements there in Florida, period would make this obvious…If in the water or land, she would have been eaten by an Aligator / Crocodile or any other animal by this time…..Not saying that throughout time parts of her, like bones, hair, etc…won’t ever be found, and that is only if she is on dry land…but unless she was buried, very well, I can’t imagine how she would even be in one piece…And then if buried, over a year ago now, the “exact” spot could be impossible to locate…..And, the only way that even pieces or a burial site would even be located is if the actual “offender” confessed, 100%, truthfully, as to what happened and to her location. Do you see that happening? And if in water – she is gone….Now, again, this is just my opinion.
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NOW- Some have said that perhaps the Bio mother, Crystal took the child and is hiding her…I can almost, without a doubt tell you this is not the case, based on my training and knowledge of these type of “abductions” FIRST- Usually (in 90% of these type of abductions, WHEN THE CHILD IS ALIVE) The Bio parent / Abductor has made numerous threats of taken the child…and when there is more than one child involved, both are taken. There are several “Pro-files” describing parents who abduct their children, but it would take forever to list them all…and only 2 of those “Pro-files” are parents who keep that child alive…the others, kill the child(ren) for psychotic reasons. So, keeping with the “live child” Profiles….SECOND, they will fall into the 3 categories below:
1. The parent (abductor) is usually unemployed, homeless, and without emotional
or financial ties to the area(s).
2. The parent has divulged plans to abduct the child and has the resources or the support of extended family and/or friends and underground dissident networks needed to survive in hiding.
3. The parent has liquidated assets, made maximum withdrawals of funds against credit cards, or borrowed money from other sources.
Crystal can barely take care of herself or stay (from what I have read) sober long enough to even indulge in such a “grand” plan, much less having the resources to stay hidden and support everyone. UNLESS she falls into one of the “Psychotic” Profiles, and Haleigh was killed by her or her associates, she has nothing to do with this abduction. IMO
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Here is another horrifying statistic:
“The most recent crime statistics show that 80% of the children under the age of 16 who were abducted, were murdered and more than half were killed by a parent, another 20 per cent by someone else they knew, and fewer than 10 per cent by a person unknown to them. Further analysis of the figures has shown that it is more likely that your partner is going to kill your children if you leave them than that they are going to be killed by a stranger in the park; most of the time proving that if they’d kill their own child, what do you think they’d do to you.” Yes, sick, I know…….
My opinion, thank you for taking the time to answer my question and explain your reasoning. I hope you are right about one thing that this case is eventually solved. As far as thinking LE has evidence that Haleigh is dead then I think it is cruel to allow the innocent family to live an entire year with false hope.
I have not heard anyone say they think Crystal took Haleigh. I think that theory is that someone took Haleigh on Crystal’s behalf.
I agree the statistics are not in Haleigh’s favor but in this case I am still holding hope that she is alive and will be home soon.
I do appreciate that you are able to disagree and discuss the views objectively. Thanks, Treece
Treece – You’re welcome. In cases like this, there is going to be so many emotions involved, that it is often too easy to start spitting out hatred; especially when someone say’s something that others don’t agree with.
I have to respond to 2 comments you made….
1) “As far as thinking LE has evidence that Haleigh is dead then I think it is cruel to allow the innocent family to live an entire year with false hope.”
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“And as far as basing my statement on FACT, the only thing I can say is quote myself again from above….and I am sorry, but it is all I can really say about it….”Many, many things must be kept secret or in confidence in order to keep the true criminal& confident of their success.” BUT, that being said, as far as being “factual” it’s also an opinion, we already know that the word of criminals can not always be taken as truth….They will lie, cheat, and steal using every means of manipulation to get what they want……..(AND THIS PART IS CRUCIAL) Therefore,“Their (LE’s) minds and efforts are not closed off to any possibilities ~ all things being considered”….even the possibility of locating Haleigh alive, for obviously that would be the best outcome.
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Therefore, this is why statements by LE, etc…are not made daily, because until they know, beyond a reasonable doubt that what they are putting out there is true and verifiable (in regards to Haleigh being dead or alive, anyway) – They will also, as the rest of the population, keep hope that she is somehow alive. Remember who they are dealing with.
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2) As far as the Crystal theory, even if someone took Haleigh for her, it would still have to fit into the 3 categories, if she’s alive…..which I just don’t see being a possibility….unless of coarse, it was done for psychotic reasoning, revenge, etc….??? and then, still, It would indicate that Haleigh had been killed.
Never~the~less, Any outcome or possibility to this tragedy is grim looking. I wish it would end also. I think it’s just the feeling of hopelessness from everyone, including LE that has everyone so angry.
I must add something that is very, very telling…..For everyone out there that believes Misty isn’t the key…..or knows nothing…..she said, on camera / video, out of her own mouth…
“…it doesn’t matter if I’m in here for 20 years, they will not “break” me.” If she knows nothing, what is there to “break”?
My opinion, you have stated many things that I disagree with but you have not angered me at all. Someone stating conflicting opinions doesn’t anger me. What has angered or upset me, on this blog, is when a few bloggers state bogus info, claiming it as a fact, and continue to spread rumors that have already been proven false. Some seem to have an agenda to keep the rumor mill flying against only one side.
I am not a Crystal hater, I absolutely hope that she gets help, gets off drugs, gets an education, and lives a productive, happy life.
That being said, I do think there is a possibility that “someone” took Haleigh on Crystals behalf and has Haleigh alive and well. I think there is probable motive for that theory. Just as I can work out a number of other theories in my mind.
I think there are a few bloggers that live to sway the opinion through false allegations and rumors. I think that is an absolute disgrace to do to any human being. It also is so discounting and heartless on Haleigh’s behalf.
I have to leave for a few hours but I do appreciate our discussion and am open to what you have to say.
My opinion, why didn’t you finish what she said.
Right after that she said because she knows nothing, there is nothing to break.
treece said,in February 13th, 2010 at 4:11 pm My opinion, why didn’t you finish what she said.
Right after that she said because she knows nothing, there is nothing to break
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treece, i agree with you as well.If she new anything i feel LE would have already new if there was something that she was holding back. NO She knows nothing at all. imo
My Opinion Only – The part of what M said that you quoted above at 3:57pm gave me chills up my spine. It reminded me immediately of what Monster Anthony said. Much the same thing.
If we look at the simplest explanation, M hurt Haleigh or something happened to Haleigh while M was watching her. That explanation and the opposite – that she knows nothing – are more likely to me than that she’s covering for R.
However, I like to think that Haleigh is alive, too. So the scenario I had in mind for that is that a member of bio-mom’s side of the family took Haleigh and she’s living God knows where with distant relatives in the U.S. (out in the country or even in a hidden room).
It is possible. It’s happened. From what we’ve seen of MG I would not put it past her to orchestrate the whole thing – including the plan to take only Haleigh and then getting custody of Jr as a result. Just a possibility.
But not impossible.
this is to My Opinion Only:
i have found all your post very interesting and have reposted them on another blog. i hope you dont mind. i think that others should read them. it is the same network, just a new blog, i believe. i think you can find them at
http://www.bloggernews.net/123815#comment-1506456
Interesting:
I don’t mind you posting my post elsewhere. However, most of the blogger’s from that site and others, have read this site as well….but whatever, I have nothing to hide and don’t mind my thoughts out and about. They are only thoughts, as are everyone’s else’s.
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And Treece, I sympathize with your thoughts about Crystal and someone taking Haleigh for her. That would be the best outcome to this entire scenario….And who knows, maybe, just maybe that will be the case. One can only hope. But I will and still hold and maintain, that whatever the outcome, LE and the others are on the right track to discovering the truth, whatever that may be…..
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And to AnnInTN / Treece: I didn’t finish the rest of Misty’s comments, where she added because there is nothing to break….but that comment was made, after a stutter or two – once she realized what she’d said…and tried to recover her statment…..Like I said, reading body language says it all…..Also, I remember seeing something where someone was stating to her something about Ron saying he had a new or another girlfriend, etc…and she said “She didn’t care” ~ But anger was so all over her face that I thought she would explode. Very, Very telling…..Don’t “listen to them” Watch them. They are all starting to wear down…..They are all full of venom and will start striking at one another and revealing, little by little what is going on and what happened….Obviously they will begin on blaming each other ~ until finally, one of them can’t take it any longer and spills everything to the point of no return….Mark my words….Its coming my fellow bloggers, it’s coming! And I can’t wait.
And one more thing….To: Interesting, I will check in with the other blog site on occassion, but have really enjoyed this one. Thanks for your support. –
Mark my words….Its coming my fellow bloggers, it’s coming! And I can’t wait. This a agree with.
AnneInTn: Yes it is….And I think it’s going to be a shocker….for some…..and very obvious to others. But I do finally feel that closure to this is closer today than ever before.
My Opinion Only said,in February 13th, 2010 at 5:54 pm AnneInTn: Yes it is….And I think it’s going to be a shocker….for some…..and very obvious to others. But I do finally feel that closure to this is closer today than ever before.
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I agree with you totally. Yes its gona be a shocker imo. Do share what your shocker news is gona be. Thanks.
That will be the job of all LE involved to disclose, not me. I am not “on the case” and am prohibited from giving any specific info. on the case. Please, please respect that.
My Opinion Only said,in February 13th, 2010 at 6:36 pm That will be the job of all LE involved to disclose, not me. I am not “on the case” and am prohibited from giving any specific info. on the case. Please, please respect that.
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Yes and I do respect you.
THANK YOU! If nothing else on this board has been said to me, neg. or positive- That is the best thing I have read since blogging.-
I will add one more comment to this site as I did the other, In closing: Not you or anyone else knows WHAT of IF Misty is saying to LE, if anything. What she says for the camera’s is for show for whatever or whoever…..There has to be and is a reason why LE is pursuing as they are. They’re not idiots…..Just remember what I posted in my Feb. 11th 7:02 and 7:05pm postings…
We here on this blog are not idiots either.
Dito
Well guys….I have got several family members who are about to explode if I don’t let them use this computer for a while! Lol….so I need to go for now, but I will try checking back in a couple of hours to read your postings. Thanks and keep up the postings…..Later, My Opinion
My Opinion Only….I’d love to “forensically” pick your brain…LOL!
Why are all the recordings very legible except for a select few? Because LE will break their own rules to do whatever it is they want to do. Doesn’t sound like they are looking for Haleigh anymore, just trying to make a name for themselves and their egos.
HollysGmom said,
in February 14th, 2010 at 6:11 am
My Opinion Only….I’d love to “forensically” pick your brain…LOL!
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You’re funny….. : ) But, I can promise you, you don’t want inside my brain! It’s always on OVERLOAD and would probably make yours EXPLODE! Lol
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wubbzy said,
in February 14th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Why are all the recordings very legible except for a select few? Because LE will break their own rules to do whatever it is they want to do…..
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It has nothing to do with “breaking rules”. Honestly. It’s about not releasing anything incriminating, or perhaps tipping someone else off into something that may be of top importance in solving the case….Because not only can the general public see/hear the video tapes, but if on TV (like NG or whatever, perhaps) so can the true criminal behind Haleigh’s abduction. And for one, if those tapes revealed someone of interest, then they (LE) don’t want it tipped off to the perp that they were mentioned, as well as, it is known that these individuals in jail right now will lie and manipulate EVERYONE, so LE also does’t want, perhaps someones name out there who could be completely innocent, who would then be scrutinized and harassed until God knows when…Does that make sense? They have to pick and chose what can and can not be released, for very good reason. As far as trying to make their selves look good, they have been blasted and put down over this case so much, that they expect nothing less than that any longer….But I can assure you, their top interest in still to find Haleigh, close this case, and put the individual(s) involved away! PLEASE, if you will (if you haven’t already) Read my Posting(s) from:
Feb. 11th 7:02 pm and 7:05 pm
and
Feb. 12th 1:13 pm
WOW! I have been working very hard today on another case and thought that by now someone would have posted something! Guess this blog site is getting old and time to move on to another! Take Care all! ~
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