Yesterdays data dump from St Johns is a treasure trove, it will take days to wade through all of the information. I found the phone conversations from Tommy Croslin riveting listening.
We have just started on he video discs, and with 5 DVD’s that is a bit of a daunting task. We have rendered part of the first DVD which is a conversation between Misty Croslin and her father Hank Croslin. Using some things that are said by Hank I can date this tape as being made right before the St Johns river search. I base that conclusion on a snippet of conversation. To paraphrase the exchange:
I heard some stuff and its not good for you, your brother took a lie detector and passed
This tape is a glowing example of the family dynamics at work in this bizarre family. In the later part of the recording Hank lectures Misty about the evils of taking drugs!
He also points out that Tommy is pretty angry with Misty. Someone is telling lies, and the inference is that Tommy is pointing the finger at Misty. What is interesting is that Misty does not seem to offer any comeback.
I’ll also venture an observation, the PCSO’s red censors pen is not as evident as it has been in previous data dumps. The search for Haleigh Cummings is not covered by the Florida Sunshine laws, and yet much of this conversation concerns Haleigh.
If I was suspicious by nature I might suspect that this was an intentional move. Give the press some raw meat and let them go nuts. Another way to place pressure on the Croslin family. Of course that is just my opinion.
(note: these are large files so they will take a few minutes to download)
Simon and Jan Barrett
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So tommy finally passes a ldt and it turns up the heat on misty. Amazing.
Is Hank trying to play Misty and Tommy against each other? Like he blames Misty for the trouble Tommy is in? I’m still listening but as of now thats what it sounds like.
I think LW is doing whatever they can, within the law, to find out the truth about Haleighs disappearance, as they should.
No torture here. Just young adults being pressured to tell what they know of a crime.
The criminals have no rules to play by, LE does.
Lw = LE in previous post.
Thanks for all your hard work Simon & Jan. Enjoy reading your perspective on things. I supposed Hank saying Tommy passed his LDT doesn’t make it true. Are we to assume it does? If he did pass does this make his JO stories true? Am I confused as usual?
I think Misty just said her true feelings about Ronald.
misty is a true christian…proof? she has two, not one but two bibles, and she reads them both..now if that isnt proof enough that misty has changed and has jesus in her heart..good grief…ty simon and jan for all that u have done..so much apprec…btw sounds like donna talking in background to someone else during visitation..anyone else hear that?
It would be so much nicer if there were transcripts of all these calls. Being hearing-impaired, I need to read.
Does anyone know if there are transcripts available?
Hyper,
I bet someone will transcribe them before long to help ya’ out. 🙂
And, the folks here listening will pull out the good stuff and give interpretations and quotes. They always do.:)
Hi Hypervigilant
I searched and no transcripts yet. They will be avail on cnn soon Im sure. thats where I read all of them.
Well OJ your girl’s story hasn’t changed.
Now Hank is blaming their whole lives on Lisa?
Hasn’t changed? Which time?
Hank and Lisa aren’t going to be around much longer between the pain, stress and drugs. Sad
sad… sad.
OK…listened to this…now back to the Tommy’s calls. I’m on part 5
This is so sad. Hank loves his children. Misty
acts like she has a little more sense than Tommy. Tommy hurt that baby. He sure is squirming a lot more than Misty. IMO
Well, I hope they are.
I’d like to think that the pain of guilt they feel would just be added on to the pain of the many family members they have left if they were to end it prematurely.
If they never could or would be strong in their lives before they HAVE to do it NOW. There is no option to fail for them now and I hope they can do it. They can’t let this destroy what family they all have. Kids and grandkids. Do it for them if you can’t do it for yourself yet.
COOP—– I’m confused on the way Hank deals with Tommy and with Misty. Does it seem like he blames Misty for Tommy being involved?
Also…all Misty and Tommy say to their dad is they should be let out of jail because they didn’t so anything. (meaning Haleigh) They are in jail for drugs that is on video. Really guys. Are they that stupid?
Hi Everyone-
Thanks so much Simon and Jan,
I think the tapes are being released in order to put pressure on Tommy and Misty , they defidently are much less redacted than the previous tapes.
After listening to all the tapes last night , I believe LE thinks that HaLeigh died from an overdose and they all helped to dispose of her body , I thought it was interesting that theory was brought up to tommy at least 4 times , everytime his tone changes and he just says thats bullchit and he changes the subject fast
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Pooh- Exactly even if they told all they knew about HaLeigh , there would still be those “pesky ” trafficking charges !!!
I wonder if ron or misty gave her the pill(s)?
Poohpig…I am not for sure how I feel. One
day I feel bad for the 18 year that has screwed
up her life. The next day I feel bad for Ron
Cummings, the next day I think They are guilty,
I think bad everyday about Tommy.
BBL I am taking the grand daughter to the book
store and out for pizza. Be back later I am
going to let some of this sink in.
Cathyjo where are you today . I am worried about you after Tommy rattled you for most of the night. Have a great day
If ron gave her a pill before he left, then gma sykes lies about when she saw the kids can be added to the theory of rons involvment.
All theory but plausible.
misty covers for ron, tommy helps. They try and blame joe.
ron marries her to make sure he intimidates and brainwashes her so much she promises not to say anything, ever.
Tommy thought, since there is no real evidence because they dump her in the water and she would decompose so no proof if tommy told on ron and ron might take a gun to his head.
Tommy, trying to cover for misty, throws joe out there along with misty so they can point it away from all of them.
There, case solved.
🙂
Coop,
Can you bring back a pepperoni, extra cheese? I’ll pay you when you get back? 🙂
Enjoy.
Jaba—- From the tones of voice with Timmy and Tommy talking….I really don’t think that Ronald had anything to do with it. They both really sounded sincere about feeling bad for Ronald. I don’t think they are that good of actors. If Ronald was involved then I think he would be more of a topic in the calls. The only time he is really a subject is when Misty goes off on the fact that Ronald used her and that his family blames it all on her.
hi chakra7
yea I agree -that stuck out to me too. it has come up alot since long ago Haleigh OD on oxycontin, if that is true then the Joe theory maybe out the winow.
it seems as though Tommy dumped her body and the reason they cant get the story straigh is its halfway true- tryin to pin it on Joe.
Tommy really will look like a dumbo if he gets charged for it- he does get excited in his voice alot of times that tells me he is guilty
They seriously just gave out Lindsey’s phone number. OMG! Funny!
hi poohpig
whatd u mean about mistys feelings for ron?
did she say somethin neg ? I didnt hear that part. whatd she say?
Hmmm…
Ok, let’s try misty as the pill feeder and tommy covers for her and figures they can blame joe and nobody can prove it anyway.
Tommy cracks because he can’t stomach the fight and throws joe out there as a hail mary on the drug charge sentence.
Krisite….Misty went off on a whole tyrant with her dad on how Ronald and his family just used her as a babysitter and that his whole family blames all of this on Misty. She said the only time the Cummings wanted her around was when they didn’t want to babysit. Her tone was very aggressive. I can’t see her still being brain washed and covering from Ronald.
My goodness this whole clan is making me want to toss my computer across the room, I sometimes have to get up and walk away. I can’t believe the anger they bring in me.
Jaba, I found this tape to be a very sincere and emotional meeting between Hank and Misty.
I will stay with my opinion that Misty is not the one who hurt Haleigh.
Misty talks more openly about Ronald here in this audio. Misty feels bad for Crystal and now believes both Crystal and Amber about Ron. Misty talks about a black man that told Ron where his daughter was and that if Ron told anyone he would come back and kill him. I have heard this before. Levi Page told JVM that Charles Jones said Misty said the drug people have Haleigh. If you go to the prior thread the questions asked of Misty are there. she was deceptive, but pay attention to the 42% she does not know the person who took Haleigh. I also hear Hank say that someone told him that Ronald secretly left work. I am glad that Misty is finally realizing that Ron was using her and I like the fact where she states they need to look harder at Ron. He was shooting up in his arm and why was he trying to kill himself per Misty.
Ok, so misty was just the babysitter and they blame this on her. What is the ‘this’ she is being blamed for, I wonder. The disappearance or involvment?
I think they were all under the influence of drugs that night.
THAT in itself distorts every thing in every way!!!
Ron, Misty and Tommy are they way they are due to their upbringing, education, socioeconomic situtation, drugs and environment.
As f’d up as these people seem, they love each other and they love their kids!!! As a family unit they are dysfunctional, but they are a functional dysfunctional just like a lot of other people out there. But I don’t believe that Ron, Misty or Tommy did anything to Haleigh!
I do beleive that Tommy might of set the back door up to look like an abduction, BUT I don’t think Misty knows for sure. I beleive she was asleep. What happened went on between Tommy and Joe.
Misty sounds like maybe she has come down off the drugs a lot and talks more sensible than before. Tommy seems to have a severe anxiety disorder or something. Not only is he freaking out about what happened to Haleigh, but he is guilty about stuff with his wife and kids and knows he screwed that up!
Misty seems like she has some insight when she says I was put here for a reason. Jesus has a reason for me being here. It has kept me off the street away from the bad stuff. etc.
I find it so sad too that he is making suicidal statements to Misty and she is the one with the logical reasoning. It is very hard for me to hear Hank say those things and no one is intervening. That is a crime and I hope something is done about it. (instead of taping him talking about ending his life).
Misty saying Ron wanted to kill himself (shooting up in his arm??). Helloooo Misty, he just lost his child. People become suicidal.
She doesn’t know for 100% who it was. (Remember she was asleep and most likely drug influenced). I beleive her.
Lfj, wow, what a soap opera.
Yes Jaba it is. I feel Ron has knowledge of what happened to his daughter. Misty is the key because she is the only one with the info on Ron.
If hank doesn’t win his battle, then that will be awful. You can’t make people realize a better future is out there.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
You have to get over the hump.
I think the point she was making was: It could of been anyone as she has heard all types of theories and people have put what she knows in her head. I don’t think she is implicating anyone. She is saying if they would get the focus off of her, then they might find out. LE f’d up royally looking at Misty this whole time.
She is angry at Ron for the situation she is in. I think she wants a little revenge on him, especially since he says he is gonna testify against her about the drugs. I think thats why she mentions him shooting up. I think he wants to kill himself because like anyone else who loses a child, suicidal thoughts are normal, and not all of those people have their life flashed all over the news and their family torn apart like this. Im surprised they aren’t all suicidal and making attempts in that family. Using drugs can make you suicidal.
Depression is serious. Misty is young, uneducated, etc. and most likely has no understanding of that state of mind. Give them a break!!!
I really feel for Hank here. I hope he really finds Jesus this time. He really did not know how old Ron was when he and Misty began their relationship. Ronald did scope Misty out. This corraborates Jerry Santos’s account of telling Ronald 15 will get you 20.
This tape is before the info that came out last week. This is audio from April. Misty had no knowledge of Ron trying to cut a deal yet.
Yes!!! Misty is finally getting a backbone, she is starting to come out from the Ronald trance!!
The LDT they are talking about here is the April 8th 2010 LDT that we were told he failed.
LE won’t be happy til misty is found DEAD hanging in her cell!!! Then they can say “our only suspect is dead, case CLOSED! See how we solved it? Aren’t we good detectives? Move along nothing to see here.”
He meaning Tommy.
OJ your girl is coming around. I really believe she will finally let it be known of what happened that night. Yes, she is scared. She has been totally manipulated by a 26 year old embisile.
I do find that Misty is greatly concerned when she was told Tommy passed his poly. It was G. Hollar that said Misty said it was Joe and Tommy; not LE, but this is before G.Hollar came out publicly with that info.
“Shock value”
Ok, the Misty, hanksr tape….did I hear her say she tried calling Ron,,time after time, he wouldnt answer HIS phone,,and then he shows up at the door..Is she referring to the night Haleigh went “missing”?????
I think LE will be happy when they provide an explination, with evidence, of what happened to Haleigh.
We may never know. And if so, no one will be charged.
RE Tapes: Second verse same as the first.
I am now of the opinion that LE has completey screwed this case up. Either way it turns out. If any of the Croslins/Cummings were involved they should have solved this ALONG time ago. If they weren’t involved they should have focused their efforts else where.
Everybody should put “pressure” on LE to get this solved. The longer this goes the more I blame LE.
Jaba, there is whole lot of shock value here. There are some parts though that we can compare to find the differences and analyze them.
Just my own therory. I think Tommy and Misty are guilty of what happened to haleigh. Haleigh either OD’d or Misty accidently killed her. I don’t think she intentionally killed her. I think Tommy disposed of her. I honestly don’t believe Joe has anything to do with the act of killing her but he has knowledge and IMO I think Timmy has knowledge to. It’s why they high tailed it out of florida.
I also believe Ronald knows more than he lets on. My theory is probably way off base but I think a lot of them know whats going on with the exception of Hank and Lisa.
So much info in on this case makes your head spin with theories that could be the truth.
I don’t trust hardly what anyone says involved in this case
Southernvagirl you are correct.
LE is doing the best they can with what they have. The one thing I feel they should of done different is when Misty started having inconsistencies that they were aware of they should have of locked her up for the 48- 72 hours while she was vunerable and charged Ronald for being with an under age minor and giving her alcohol, cigs and drugs. They could of put out an order to keep Ron away from Misty and vice- versa. I think this could of been a good tactic in the beginnig of this case.
Todd I can see that theory. I believe it was the over dose theory.
LE has not done the best job. It is a sad story for our system if LE does not have the skills to “crack” a 17 year old or “turn” a two bit street theif lier like Tommy after a year and a half? What is the explination for that? I’d like to hear the other side of the story.
I would love to see the actual phone records, now we hear Misty was trying to call Ron, I would love to know the truth on who was calling who- I mean its inconcievable to think they were each trying to call the other but no one got through
LE needs to make sure they put the right person/s in jail for this crime. We do not need an innocent person going to jail for a crime they did not committ. This crime involves alot of drugs and cover-ups. They have to get it right.
thanks poohpig
ron used her for mor than babysitn
JenM remember tommy coulnt function without his pills. wasnt he in a wreck B4? I think yur rite. tommys is miserable w or without drugs. think it was tommy lindsy was talkin abot had a rod put in his leg?
No physical evidence because the child was dumped in a river and not brutally murdered leaving behind dna, blood, etc…
They didn’t have to be that smart. They are criminals, they think like criminals and they’ve gotten rid of the evidence.
Who knows.
One theory anyway.
wonder why we dont here tapes on ron?
I dont believe Misty harmed,or gave Haliegh meds.She doesnt argue with her dad about Tommy,because its no use to say anything,they will always believe Tommy over her,no matter what kind of life style he led(her family) An im sure Tom got word to his dad he passed the LDT.But i believe he failed,an i believe if Joe was given one,he would fail to.
Kristie, Good Question.
LforJ – yes of course they need to put the right person in jail but it has taken them over a year to get to the point we are at right now which is pretty much the same as the day after it happened. Misty saying she knows nothing and Tommy lieing to get out of jail. Why haven’t they been able to “crack” them? You mean to tell me that these two Croslins kids are that strong mentally? LE screwed up from the begining because they were way in over their heads and didn’t make the right moves from the begining.
chakra7 said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm I would love to see the actual phone records, now we hear Misty was trying to call Ron, I would love to know the truth on who was calling who- I mean its inconcievable to think they were each trying to call the other but no one got through
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ITA – I would love to see the phone records the have them explain it.
I heard hank say to Misty “I heard Ron suck out of work that night”
This is so sad that we can’t get a straight answer on what happened. I don’t condone torture but in cases where it involves children I wish it was done to suspects to get the truth.
I want justice for this beautiful child!
Misty talks about getting ‘boot camp’ – I hope she does, and think it is a fair penalty for her because this is her first arrest.
Hope should have been given boot camp the first time she was arrested on a drug charge, instead of just locked up in the county jail until bonded out, then ordered to pay a fine.
She should have been given a chance to rehabilitate through boot camp. Instead, they let her go with a fine, to continue on her wayward path.
What a miscarriage of justice!
After Misty finds out from Hank that Tommy alledgedly passed his poly it stays with her. She finally goes on to say that she cannot definitely say it was Joe. Tommys LDT contradicted Mistys LDT.JMO
Are there any more Misty tapes or is that it?
If Ron Cummings and Hope Sykes would have received the benefits of boot camp after their first arrests, they very well could have reformed, and never abused drugs again.
Instead, all that happened is they were ordered to pay money (fines). NO HELP in the form of rehabilitation from the criminal justice system for these youth, just straight to prison for the duration of their young adult lives.
Pooh,
I’ve always thought that Hank Sr was feeling more for Tommy than Misty, not say he loves Tommy more. Men usaully are partcial of thier daughter. Tommy has always stood behind Misty I don’t understand why Misty has always acted like Tommy could of had something to do with it.
Plus Misty is the baby of the family.
Jason ,
I think that Hope was busted just few weeks before for drugs.
Ron is the only biological ADULT among the three, as he is over age 25 (age at which the brain is fully developed).
Kitty Kat @ 12:26, I totally agree.
Misty really rips into Lindsey at the end of tape 2. she wants her clothes back! lol
Cricket, yes – Hope was arrsted in Jan/09, and she was arrested in 2008.
Instead of just a fine to pay, she should have been given been given the benefits of boot camp after her first arrest.
The Croslin family is dysfunctional to a degree, but whose family isn’t?
misty was caught with a lot more charges than hope’s first offense included.
Based on the crime the first arrest and punishment isn’t that hard on the person.
Murder, bank robbery, trafficking is just considered a worse crime even for first time offenders.
Florida is punishing accordance to what they think the best plan is to stop this behavior. The legislature can change that if the people wish it were so in a majority amount.
Hope did say she would be worse coming out of boot camp anyway, so I don’t think she would have benefited. We’ll never know.
I feel so bad for tommys dad. seems like hes tryin to hav hope. like he wants to do good but he just has so much pain.
If Misty isn’t given the benefits of boot camp, I hope her family hires an attorney who will fight – and win – boot camp for her.
IMO Hope’s own words on the phone call did her in as far as getting a harsher punishment than boot camp
Lots of dysfunctional families never have an arrest involving them. I mean a ton. Depends on your dysfunctional issues.
I just don’t understand how Tommy keep saying that he never told GH it was Joe. He no’s these phone calls come out.What he seems to forget that when Gh asked TC if its what Misty had told her he said “yes” why did he say that unless he thought Misty would say Joe.
Kristie @ 1:21, I feel sympathy for Hank, too – he NEEDS surgery – I can’t imagine how horrible it must be to not be able to pay for medical help.
Todd @ 1:23, Hope is still a child. Listen to the way she talks – she is still a child.
chakra7 said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:24 am
Hi Everyone-
Thanks so much Simon and Jan,
I think the tapes are being released in order to put pressure on Tommy and Misty , they defidently are much less redacted than the previous tapes.
After listening to all the tapes last night , I believe LE thinks that HaLeigh died from an overdose and they all helped to dispose of her body , I thought it was interesting that theory was brought up to tommy at least 4 times , everytime his tone changes and he just says thats bullchit and he changes the subject fast
hmmmmmmmmmmm
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You win the prize Chakra. Misty was really pissed off w/ Ron, exhausted, didn’t want to babysit and Haleigh was acting up more than usual. Misty turned the phone off, tired of arguing w/ Ron and all his bit…. calls. Tired of Haleigh carrying on.
Turned Haleigh off, just like the phone. Turned her off permanently. OD accident. Misty is guilty. The rest is cover up mode. Based on sheer fear alright, but not of JO.
misty certainly has the right to appeal her sentence and conviction.
I guess they will do a pre-sentence evaluation on her before sentencing and if they deem, give her boot camp.
Jason,
I know and he cant read has criminal record – wife cant read has criminal record. I went 10 yrs withour surgery got so bad i took pills for 3 months. i had surgery and i feel soooo much better. 6 screws in my neck. i understand how miserable he can be. its said.. then he has kids that dont care about him the way they shuld. tommys tellin him to get his life together- seems he wants to. poor guy needs help. i met a lady that was homeless and she learned to read at 50 and she did et a job with a record. people can do its possible.
Hope shold have been given the benefits of boot camp after her first arrest. As it is, she received NO aversion treatment (boot camp) for previous arrests at age 18/19.
UNFAIR? YES!
when hope smarted off and she wouldnt listen to the judge bam she got 15. judge can do what they want.
when hope smarted off and she wouldnt listen to the judge bam she got 15. judge can do what they want.and nxt time be nice to judgy
RC and TC could have benefited from boot camp, too. If they had been put in after their first arrests, subsequent arrests may have never happened because they had grown emotionally healthier and more mature in the program and no longer wanted to use drugs.
Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm
The Croslin family is dysfunctional to a degree, but whose family isn’t?
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Are you joking??????????????????????
oops Jason I meant to say hope shuld have gotten less shuld file appeal and be nice to judgy nxt time. the judge was gonna give her less time till she messed up.
Until the law is changed by a vigorous psuh to prove brain formation is a reason for changing direction on teen age and early 20’s punishment and rehab, these adults pay the adult price to play in the adult world.
I’m sure when these kids were in trouble from grade school on they were told that what they had done was wrong by teachers and others. They just didn’t hear it was ok to do by their parents. They knew the options. The fact that their parents didn’t role model good behavior is only on side they saw and heard.
Kristie, immature kids smart-off; boot camp helps them mature. If a judge can’t tell the difference between a kid and an adult, the judge needs replaced with one who does.
Ok, how could Misty have been calling Ron over & over if she was asleep? Did I miss something?
I thought she woke up at 3:00 to get a drink of water, use the bathroom, or whatever it was she had to do.
I know she was awake when Ron got there, but I was still under the impression she was asleep until she woke at 3 something.
homespain said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm
The Croslin family is dysfunctional to a degree, but whose family isn’t?
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Are you joking??????????????????????
(no family is perfect)
Jaba @ 1:35, ITA with your first paragraph.
None of these folks had a support system that would have helped them from reoffending. After boot camp it would have been back to the real world and past life.
Jason I agree.. i know judges. i hav been to court tons of times for x employer- they do what they want. thats why i think she shuld appeal.
stormgardner
what i wanna know is why did misty say she called ron over and over when he called her 90 times? her phone was off. did she mean that nite? why did she blame joe if she told she wasnt sure if he was there?
Homespain, I see a lot of good in the Croslin family, in addition to the not so good; but I see more good.
As Kristie said, and I agree – NO family is perfect.
Kristie, I hope she appeals, too. In hindsight, her family might be able to see that boot camp could have done her a world of good two years ago.
Jason said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm If Misty isn’t given the benefits of boot camp, I hope her family hires an attorney who will fight – and win – boot camp for her.
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with a team of lawyers like OJ’s she would be found not guilty. But look what she has, a lawyer that has let her twist in the wind, as she is villified by NG nightly and by bloggers like AH and levi. She needs a SPOKESPERSON badly to counteract the poisoning of the jury pool that LE seems to have a hand in also.
Would you want Hope’s lawyer to represent you on a jaywalking ticket? The incompetant stooge plead hope guilty as charged! Dispicable! She is in cahoots with LE! Disgraceful nondefense of a client! She should be DISBARRED!!!
@ Jason 1:27
Yes she is a very immature young woman who is old enough to know better.
Drugs have ruined hers and other people involved in this case lives who is connected to this case. Makes me so angry that these drugs have possibly costed the life of a beautiful child
I have a stepbrother and sister who have drug problems just like this family. I think its why i am so emotionally frustrated with this case. I watched my bro and sister destroy their lives with drugs. I watched my sister steal from her own kids just to get her next fix. Thank heavens theres not been a death of one of my nieces or nephews because of their drug habits.
I pray hard for this family and at the same time I want to shake the ish out of Misty and Tommy for letting drugs control their lives.
Misty says she never got involved with hard drugs before she met Ronald because of his drug habit. Well I have been around drugs ever since I have been 12, im 37 now. You control your own destiny on what life you choose to live. I could of smoked pot, taken pills, snorted various drugs, do heavy drinking like some of my family. At a very young age I saw how much it destroyed you by doing those things. I guess some have stronger will power than others, I just wish everyone who chose to go with the same lifestyle would look in the mirror to see it gets you no where 🙁
OJ’s glove
I agree i agree. it does indeed depend on what kinda lawyer u hav.
Because misty lies and that’s why she is the key. She was with the kid.
LE has looked at many, many others and have focused on a handful, misty included and rightfully so.
And why are they pointing fingers around on those calls and no one is talking about sheffield family involvment on the tapes other than blaming misty.
I would blame misty too if she was babysitting and lost a child of mine and then went off around the states for vacation and sold drugs like it was no big deal.
Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm
The Croslin family is dysfunctional to a degree, but whose family isn’t?
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my family. I had real parents and we had a great childhood.
Hope signed a plea deal after it was stated herself that she could read and write and undeerstand what she was doing. Like all other pleas deals.
She could have asked for a new attorney.
She can appela the sentence. She has a few days left to do that at this point.
She’s done neither, becasue she was guilty and defiant to the laws. She now pays.
Jaba, after boot camp it is very possible she would have been more emotionally healthy and more mature, to the point that future wayward behavior was curbed, regardless of whether she had the support of her family.
Keep in mind, her entire family would have benefited from the program, as counselors work with the family, too – not just the youth who has committed an offense.
Jason
true, maybe people can wake up in there family from there drugs and dead sleep. it really seems hank is realizing alot now. his kids are lcky he loves them and supports them. some parents dont even care.
I just don’t understand why thier is no Videos realesed with Tommy on the drug bust,. there must a reason the cops did that.
If anyone with specific evidence can type that up and send it certified mail to the judge and/or the state bar in FL, they would review it for facts and remedy any wrong.
imvho Misty sounds like a teeny tiny little girl when she talks with her Father. It is obvious that her Father loves her very much.
Misty’s actions and personality are completely different in the UC sting video. There we see a Misty who appears to be a completely in control adult who is out to get what she wants. Period.
I notice too that during some of the conversation when Misty said something that Hank either may not have understood or agreed about Hank simply says, “I love you Misty”.
I guess I just do not understand why he does that. It’s as if he gives up right there. I wonder how many times he has done that with Misty before? I suspect many.
Hope can receive free help in prison and file her own appeal with that help. All is not lost.
jaba said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm Hope signed a plea deal after it was stated herself that she could read and write and undeerstand what she was doing. Like all other pleas deals.
She could have asked for a new attorney.
She can appela the sentence. She has a few days left to do that at this point.
She’s done neither, becasue she was guilty and defiant to the laws. She now pays.
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oy vey where to begin? hope said “she wasn’t pleading no contest her lawyer was pleading no contest.” She obviously didn’t understand what was going on and did what her lawyer told her to do like “sign here”. Hope’s lawyer walked her to SLAUGHTER!!!!!!!!! incompetent shyster!
There are programs in prison for the ambitous young rehab project person to gain wisdom and come out better when they are let go.
Jaba, Hope behaved like a child in a videoed conversation with her mother because she is a child.
Hope can appeal, why hasn’t she?
She understands committing the same crime over and over. Hope understands they had video of her and her mom told her on tape that they had another view in back of the car too.
She just doent understand paying to play. She does now. And that big defiant mouth will get some attention in prison.
OJ, you are so right! It is obvious that Hope did what her attorney advised her to do, which WAS NOT to Hope’s benefit, and surely not the best that could be done for Hope.
imvho Manipulative behavior along with the lies/embellishments is nothing new to this bunch.
Call her a child all day, the guidelines are what they are.
Start a crusade for the way young adults are treated and gain support and take it all the way to change. Until then, the penalty is the penalty.
Jaba, self righteous, aren’t you? If Hope were your child, I’m sure you’d see it differently.
Jaba wants blood. From a kid.
So now Misty is saying she doesn’t know if Joe had anything to do with it?
She could have not signed the deal.
She could have forced a trial where with the tapes she would have been founf guilty and gotten the same sentence under the mandatory sentencing.
They could have reviewed all that tape in court.
Rons going to pleas becasue they know they are on tape. All of them have said as much in the tapes we first heard.
The guilty will plea, happens all the time.
Will someone please tell me how to hear the tapes? All I get is an error page and no information about what needs to be done to listen.
As disfunctional as the Croslin’s may be, they are still a very close knit family. I’m having a hard time believing that Timmy doesn’t know anything. He is the oldest, and according to Misty, the closest to her. I can’t help but feel if there were a problem Misty wouldn’t have called Timmy. I know the reasons they gave for the move, but is it the only reason.
Homespain hit on something that makes total sense. We all know everything here is just theory, but I can see that happening. I don’t think Misty would hurt any child on purpose, it seemed like she loved kids, you could see it with Tommy’s children.
Misty had to have been exhausted. I’m thinking Haleigh may have missed her those days she was gone and was too excited to go to sleep, she had a lot to talk about. Haleigh could have been really tired too. Any of us that have kids know that they can be a handful when they are tired. Misty may well have given her something so she would sleep. IF she overdosed her, I can totally see her calling Timmy freaked out for help. Timmy & Tommy both love Misty. If she were crying and hysterical, they may have helped. They wouldn’t want to see their sister go to jail, or have the wrath of Ron thrown upon her.
Just another theory, just a little twist. Anythings possible here.
Every time Tommy talks to his wife it is “I love ya” over and over so I guess he learned it from Hank, Sr. It sounds like a habit, not affection, like some people say “huh” or “I know” over and over.
Jason,
If you are so adamant, why not try and help her. I undertand your position, and while I don’t agree, I respect it. I can’t do anything for any of these people typing anything here.
Go help them. I’d see that as pretty admirable of you, really.
Aqua, I view them with QuickTime. You can download and install QT from the Web site.
Aqua, you can download QT from the Apple Web site.
I don’t want blood from a kid.
They are adults in the eys of the law.
They are the kids in Jasons mind.
I think we know what the outcome is.
I think if Misty had overdosed Haleigh she would have been so afraid that Ronald would find out thatshe would have moved away. She could have gone to TN to stay with Flora or moved back in with someone in her family instead of getting a restraining order on her brother for trying to get her away from Ronald.
For this reason, I think Ronald and Misty both had something to do with the overdose, is that is what happened.
Jaba, I’m hoping her family is doing so, and I would donate to help defense get her into a rehabilitation program instead of 15 years in a cage.
Just wrong to lock a child up for all of her young adult years, having never given her the opportunity to benefit from a boot camp program.
Jaba I am back with the pizza and a brand new Princess book .
Misty couldn’t have just packed up and moved away that very night. She had to come up with some type of scenerio. Besides that, how could she explain just taking off? Also at that point she was still very much in love with Ron. Not for sure, but I would say that LE suggested none of them leave the state. At that point everyone was a person of interest.
Jaba, if Hope is an adult in your mind, then you aren’t looking at reality.
Pooh, Sorry I went out and didn’t get back to you on Hank’s treatment of Misty. Well, I guess you have to put yourself in Hank’s place
I have a a kid in trouble. Nothing like these
folks but trouble. Nobody in our family had ever had much more than a traffice ticket.
I was crushed.had to be put on meds…If that
was my son and daughter I just don’t know.He seems to agree with Tommy but then he will
agree with Misty. Tommy just demands demands
demands from his poor dad. Misty does somewhat try to sooth him. I truly think that Hank has his hands full.
COOP said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Is there anyone local here that can tell me
if Hank and Lisa would qualify for any state
assistance. I am thinking about locating them
and carting them to The Department of Social
Services and see if they qualify for medicade.
I just don’t think they have enough education
to apply by themselves. I may even research
and see if I can get them some help from
Shands. Locals just point me in the direction
if you think they can be helped.
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seems he would qualify for SSI, that is if he paid SS. Does FL has a state disability program?
good offer coop..I have their address..
its also on lisa’s booking sheet if you know where to find that.
Just looking at this situation is sad.
I am very lucky. My grandaughter is 18, she is graduating next week. She is with the National Honor Society and has a nursing scholarship.
I’m sorry, but I still don’t see her as an adult. I can only hope she stays on the right path. They are influenced so easily at that age. She may be an adult in the eyes of the law, but she is still just a child. She hasn’t had a chance to really even live yet. She has so much to learn. I don’t think their mind is even developed yet at that age. Not all of them make the right decisions. Everyone deserves a second chance. Hope is a perfect candidate for Boot Camp. You’d be surprised how much a defiant young girl like Hope could learn.
I’ll give it to jan to give to you..
Coop @ 2:36, so good to hear you’re trying to help. I’m not local, and never heard of the Shands, so I can’t give you what you’re looking for.
Well, jason, I’m looking at pretty strong evidence that the majority of the country shares my position.
Send mistu commisary money or phone money or send her trial money, that’s very nice. Let us know when you do.
Shands is the University of Florida Teaching Hospital. They are probably talking about the one in Gainesville. [There’s one in Jacksonville, too.]
Appreciate that, COOP, did you remember the pamesan? I may have some on hand. Thx
OJ. I thought they were in a boarding house.
However, Hank would qualify for Social Security
if he paid in. However, you have to be careful
he has been signing a document that he was able and looking for employment. He would have
to be disable 12mths to qualify. I don’t want to get that poor man in more trouble . They
need a social worker. OJ I live in Duval so
let me make some calls to Putnam Monday . I have tried to figure out if his employment has run out. He was 8 weeks in on a 20 weeks ext
I think he stated that on Misty’s conversation
Nice offer, COOP, mighty ‘floridian of you.:)
Stormgardner @ 2:41, I, too, see Hope as a very defiant child.
I think that is the boarding house address…
8 weeks as of when the tape was recorded.
jaba, do you pull the wings off butterflys?
just curious..
Jason Shands is with University of Florida
Gainesville and Jacksonville they will take you
on a slide. However, I think there may be some
drug test!!!! I would love to know if any of
the folks in Putnam has already tried
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8gFUyHRW3g
Has anyone been following this?
advocate for abuse of a child reporting possible abuse of Haleigh?
@ L FLorida, I see – Shands teaching hospital would be lower priced . . .
I pull wings at Hooters but you didn’t hear that from me.
oops, sorry, that was of -0- use to anybody, telling you about Shands Teaching Hospital.
There is a local clearinghouse for charities [to keep peeps from gaming good Samaritans, going from church to church asking for help.]
It is
Palatka Christian Service Center
It may have been re-named “Christian Services Center at the Heart of Putnam. There is a front page story with that name in the Palatka Daily News on Friday.
St. James United Methodist Church and First Presbyterian Church of Palatka participate in the Christian Service Center and are on Facebook. Either one of them could tell you more about local agencies. Also United Way of Putnam County.
[Sorry, just trying to help.]
Stormgardner @ 2:41, congrats to your grandaughter, and so far, so good – right?
Kristie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
homespain said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm
The Croslin family is dysfunctional to a degree, but whose family isn’t?
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Are you joking??????????????????????
(no family is perfect)
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Excusing THAT level of dysfunction “as whose family isn’t perfect”, is to me, part of the reason why the kids of that family grow up in that “environment” end up dead, in jail, uneducated, thinking wrong is no big deal, have no minimum standards for others lives and property, truly value themselves, and often spend their lives trashed in prison or on drugs.
Had their been intervention, the cycle may have stopped.
The kids might have had a chance to grow up to parent properly the next generation. Haleigh may still have been alive. They would have had real jobs instead of drug jobs. They wouldn’t be in jail for the best years of their lives. Leaving another generation w/o mothers and fathers. And the next generation dissembling even further.
All families absolutely don’t have any where near this level of dysfunction. It isn’t in any way excusable. The fruits of which we are seeing in this sad case. Haleigh is likely dead because of the degree of dysfunction in this family. I feel sorry for them- only to a point.
FWIW – I bought Hank and Lisa gift cards for local restaurants months ago, but never could figure out a way to deliver them except through Misty’s atty & I really didn’t want to do that.
[Kinda like paving stones on The Road to Hell, you know? Good intentions & all that.]
Homespain @ 2:58 Good point: “Had there been intervention . . .”
BOOT CAMP = INTERVENTION
vaquera,
That is so nice of you, if he is disabiled he qualifes for SSI.
If he has an injury or is mentally impaired that keeps him from working then he qualifes. I think the whole famiy qualifes for the mental, really!I feel so sorry for these people!
Home’s Pain, when is the last time your mother/father, son/daughter, brother/sister told you they love you?
Is that how you picked that nic?
Home is pain.
I’m sorry.
LFlorida @ 3:00, how nice! Could the gift cards be mailed to the place they’re staying at now?
Jason, yep, so far so good. I’m so proud of her. She had a few bumps along the way like most teens do, but she learned from her experiences and pulled through it.
My oldest son & family are coming in town next week for the graduation. I’m so excited. I haven’t seen my grandsons since Christmas.
Just can’t wait. Just have to make it through this week at work then I have a few days vacation planned. Whew hew
LFlorida said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Home’s Pain, when is the last time your mother/father, son/daughter, brother/sister told you they love you?
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Meaning what? When you don’t like something you get personal? Cheap shot.
Linda B said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 3:02 pm
vaquera,
That is so nice of you, if he is disabiled he qualifes for SSI.
If he has an injury or is mentally impaired that keeps him from working then he qualifes. I think the whole famiy qualifes for the mental, really!I feel so sorry for these people!
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Thanks, Linda. I am nice but that is COOP that lives close and is trying to help, I was just offering suggestions. 😉
Jason, based on all I have heard on the audios, the cards may not get past the manager/landlord person. [FWIW – I don’t know who the mgr is.]
I have thought about asking someone with the Palatka Police Dept to take them by there. Hmm… that might be a good idea. I’ll see if that will work tomorrow or Monday.
I will make some calls Monday morning. Some locals there probably has tried intervention and they kept slipping back on the drug scene.
I may ride that way tommorrow and talk to a couple of folks I know from that area
Home’s Pain, it was just a question about your nic and trying to see things from your point of view.
I know that my own family is nowhere near as open about expressing their thoughts and feelings about one another compared to the Croslins. [And I kinda wish we were.]
Not trying to take a personal jab at you.
Kirstie @ 1;29, OMG – your 10 years in pain brings tears. I wish you could have had the surgery right away, and not suffered as you did.
What kind of disability did Cindy A get on after she used up what time/pay she had coming from work?
bartenders seem to know eyerything going on in a small town. My ex was one and she knew everything. Stop by the local tavern coop.
LFlorida said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Jason, based on all I have heard on the audios, the cards may not get past the manager/landlord person. [FWIW – I don’t know who the mgr is.]
I have thought about asking someone with the Palatka Police Dept to take them by there. Hmm… that might be a good idea. I’ll see if that will work tomorrow or Monday.
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That’s mighty nice of you,florida. 🙂
LForida @ 3:09, THAT sounds like a good idea – let us know how it goes, OK?
I think jan57 knows the croslins and has texted them in the past. Maybe she knows how to get them delivered.
COOP, go by the Cheyenne and talk to Joe & Karen. They’re good peeps. They own and operate the Cheyenne.
Or just go by PPD [next to the RR tracks, off of Reid St. 10th St?] or PCSO.
LFlorida have you posted anything to those
Charities in regards to this family? I am going to take a look at all of this tommorrow
I have my grands tonight and am just reading
and posting in between chores they have task
me with. So, I am going back reading as to where I might be best to start trying to get
some state help for these folks. I wish they
would ship Tommy to Gitmo until Hank and Lisa
get straightened out.
Coop be careful entering abr, I’m sure that goes without saying it to you but people with great intentions aren’t rewarded kindly and I’d hate to see you in that situation.
Since the Croslins are indigent,sounds like they might qualify for medicaid.
Florida Medicaid
Medicaid is the state and federal partnership that provides health coverage for selected categories of people with low incomes. Its purpose is to improve the health of people who might otherwise go without medical care for themselves and their children. Medicaid is different in every state.
Florida implemented the Medicaid program on January 1, 1970, to provide medical services to indigent people. Over the years, the Florida Legislature has authorized Medicaid reimbursement for additional services. A major expansion occurred in 1989, when the United States Congress mandated that states provide all Medicaid services allowable under the Social Security Act to children under the age of 21.
http://www.fdhc.state.fl.us/index.shtml
Abr = a bar -in last post.
LFlorida : It is so nice to see that someone has some compassion for these folks. That is one of the nicest things I’ve ever seen. I think they are the only ones that haven’t ask for anything, and Lord knows they need it.
I have to say one thing though, with all they are going through, if the police knocked on their door,they may just have a stroke before they realized they weren’t in trouble. Lol, not really funny. I agree though, I doubt it would get past the landlord/manager. It would have to be given directly to them.
Oops, I forgot, I have sweet tea brewing. I got wrapped up in this coversation & forgot about it. It might just be strong enough to walk to me. Lol
Ok.. good Lflorida that is a starting point I
just don’t want them to think I am the press.
I am just concerned. I do think those parents
were sucidal when these tapes were made. I am
concerned about their well being more than anything.
Enjoy your grandkids for now.
No, I haven’t discussed this with any of those charities. Everybody [on the internet] has been so hell-bent on believing that they are evil incarnate that there wasn’t much reason. Plus, I really worry that their trust in strangers has been used to further wound and confuse them and screw up the case.
That’s really sad, imo.
SSI is for people who don’t qualify for social security,also qualifies for medicaid which would pay for doctor, hospital,meds. And a check each month. So if he don’t qualify for social security he would qualify for SSI if he is disabled.
Padilla tried to help them.
They might also qualify for HUD housing..
http://portal.hud.gov/portal/page/portal/HUD/states/florida
COOP, see my posts on Websleuths about the Croslin’s tapes. I was screaming bloody murder on there because those peeps were acting like they were watching TV or a sporting event, not dealing with real live human beings.
I wuz banned from that site, so you’ll have to google it:
LFlorida Websleuths Haleigh Croslin Jail
might work.
Thank you, Vaq. 🙂
What was hank doing just prior to the car wreck, was he working up until that day? Anyone know for sure?
What surgery does he need? Back, knee, leg???
Trust me if I go in a bar people are not going
to think I am there to have a beer. My husband
would be with me as well. My kids ride their Harley’s down through there so I will find out
where and where not to go. I certainly would not go to a boarding house where thier car was stolen
Jaba Hank was a drywaller and was in an car accident just prior to Haleigh Cummings abduction. So I am not for sure what his
illness is.
Oh, COOP, if your kids ride, they’ll be very familiar w/Joe & Karen @ Cheyenne.
Actually, I think Hank was working out at Seminole Electric, probably for a subcontractor. I think they quit the drywall business back in 2005, if I read their incorporation documents correctly.
myflorida.com
Dept of State
Div of Corporations
Search by name
The Seminole Electric info came from Gainesville.com and from audiotapes. Hank was wearing one of the Safety Award t-shirts on the news4jax video at the gas station the day of the Shell Harbor search.
OK I will talk to my daughter later. They live in Keystone and I’m in Jax. I have a couple of
friends that I use to work that live in the
area I am going to try to talk to them and get
a feel for things. My preception is that these
folks need some help. Even if it the local deacons checking in on them a couple of times
a week. These people have lost everything.
COOP, If I’m not mistaken he had a badly broken leg and still has pins in that probably need to come out.Not sure why the other driver,unless he had no insurance, is not paying for all his medical bills but it seems like Tommy/Chelsea’s insurance should have then picked up his medical. I am sure he probably needed some rehabilitation that he didn’t get either.
I’m going for now, so COOP go on & enjoy your g’kids.
Does anyone no what this Jason guys last? I couldn’t understand Hank Sr.
Coop, if yiu got poppa ridin shotgun, then I feel better. If anything happened I wouldn’t want you to have to ‘get YOUR hands dirty’. 🙂
Cricket said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Does anyone no what this Jason guys last? I couldn’t understand Hank Sr.
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Jolieceur (sp) he’s with the FDLE and was the ‘new eyes’ brought onto the case last fall.
If Hank worked for Seminole Electric he probably made pretty good money. Drugs I suppose. WAR ON DRUGS My dad said the only way
to fight it was to put it at every exit in 55 gallon drums free. He had no compansion for drugs.
LFlorida said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Is that how you picked that nic?
Home is pain.
I’m sorry.
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What are you talking about???? Very odd last couple of comments you’ve made.
What a strange thing to say. To come up with that you must be projecting your life on to me? Feel badly for you if that’s the case. Hope things get better for you.
I have a home in Spain.
Hank may have pending charges.
Not sure he will go to jail.
I think the guy who hit him is in jail too.
Vaquera,
Thanks for the name. But why a cop buy Lindsy a new car ?
Padilla was giving them money and cars for information. I will help them fill out paper
work and get thru the system but I work way to
hard to by them drugs. So we will see. I wish
I could find out the name of the church Hank
was going to. That preacher would probably be
a good contact as well. I think I have heard
the kids talk about the The Cheyenne
I didn’t hear that. Was it the first or second tape?
I figured her grandpa bought it..
With everything going on with Hank & Lisa, it’s not far fetched to think they could be suiicidal. Hank said it on one of the tapes. A person can only take so much. Sometimes they think there is no other way out. Let’s face it, they never had much to begin with, but now they have lost everything. They have no home, 2 of their kids are in jail. Someone needs to intervene. I wish I could help, but one paycheck only goes so far, it’s all I can do to keep my head above water.
JMO, but if LP is trying to help, he’s mostly trying to help his self. Next thing you know he’s on NG telling everyone what he has done to help. He contradicts himself more than anyone I’ve seen in this mess.
Hi everyone…as an old peep here im just lost as to where to begin to catchup?..
Who was the last person to really see Haleigh alive? who did Ron make all the calls to on his cell from work? is there real proof that ron was at work in that time frame?.Why did ron marry misty?
I just have this feeling that misty is a setup, she is soo young,had a poor childhood and is no casey anthony…
sorry for my behind ? but i just dont get it…
vaquera I think it’s Hank and Misty’s 2nd tape
where he says he is going to church. I just
can’t get Lisa out my mind in the background
of Tommy’s tape actually weeping from the core.
She just couldn’t take anymore she mourned. I tell you one thing they are certainly stronger than I could have been. They pretty much sound
spent here. Tommy’s mood seems to never change.
I hear the compassion in Hank, Lisa and Misty
but I don’t hear the same in Tommy’s
I personally am not going to feel sorry for Hank and Lisa , they had an obligation to teach Timmy, Tommy, and Misty right from wrong,I found it astouding that in the tapes they thought it was perfectly acceptable for tommy to lie to police and “do what he had to do” in order to get out of jail.
I understand that their addicts but continueing the cycle of addiction is a CHOICE, a choice that sadly they continue to make
I just tweeted a link to the posts re: Croslin tapes released back in February. Look for twitter account for
ellFlorida
Personally I think anyone wanting to help these people will get a gold star in their cap (sort of speak),,,however these people , since ths whole thing started (Haleigh went “missing”), I have only heard of these people going day to day being drugged up….In some of the audios you hear them talk about Hank sr getting drunk, being arrested again,,,Lisa is all drugged up agan, per Grandma Hollars,,,I dont thnk yall get IT…I have people like this in my family,,and trust me on this…the more you do for them the more they have the excuse to keep on doing what they are known to do,,,drugging and drinking, stealing etc…..Time will tell, but if you dont KNOW people like this,,,you dont have a clue,,,just a kind heart….Unless you are willing to take them all into your home and feed and board them,,then be robbed by them,,,,,no matter what you do they will resort to their WAY of life….
Chak,
I hear you, but I think they ‘tapped out’ so to speak a long time ago. They are just breathing at this point. For that, I hope for some good to come there way. I agree though, they brpught in themselves and once they did, they were powerless and lacked the courage to break out of it. Some people can, some people can’t.
chakra, I understand exactly how you feel. However, Hank and Lisa too are a product of their environment. Can you imagine how different your life would have been if Flo Hollars had raised you. This is a bad wound in
our social culture that needs to heal. These
people can not even read or write. The healing
has to start somewhere. I say let the school
systems start with the grandchildren and we as
fellow humans need to reach out to these broken
souls. I am more angry at Ronald Cumming than I
am at Hank and Lisa. They are environmental delayed I don’t care who you are you can’t deny that. Education…education education
Well then, homespain, I reckon you will pardon a small-town gal like me who never met someone with a home in Spain. Call me unworldly or w/e.
Jail may be a rehab of sorts for them if their pending charges are jailable offenses.
It will clean them out.
Southernvagirl,
I was born and raised in Tazewell County Va
so I get the Bible Belt view on drugs.
As I posted before my dad thought the war on drugs should be to put it beside the road
in barrells so they would all OD. However,
I disagree with him as well. I am a grandmother
I get your view on Haleigh. Hang whoever hurt
that baby. Get intervention for that family
before this happens to another kid. Hank and Lisa are helpless at this point. I am not kicking them while they are down.
Hank sr, knows all too well that the vids and audios are going to the public,,,how do you think LP got involved with them and their problems..cash, a roof over their head and a nice automoble….THAT alone should tell you what they do with the help they are given…Sadley, when you sleep with dogs ou will get fleas,,,I am not a cold heated person,,,I just know who and what these people are all about…Hopefully, whoever chooses to help them will not get burned or place their own lives in danger…My Mother did that all her life lookng out for her brother, my uncle, and his kids….My uncle got tons and tons of help from all of us,,,,to just go out and get his drink and drug….now his kids are worthless too,,and will steal whatever they see not batted down,,,After Mama helped, even taking Uncle in her home in his last days, the sons friends stole money out of her pocketbook….Like I said ,,, the ones here wanting to help these people,,,dont know what they are getting into…the more you give the more they expect,,but I must say , I know the kindhearts of those I read here all the time,,,just dont get too close,,is all I am saying…
thats a good point Jaba-
it seems at this point Hank can’t see anyway out (or up) I just have a hard time feeling anything but frustration when I hear them on tape.
I’ve had family members who have suffered with the same demons these folks have. People aren’t disposable. They do have to be ready for help. Maybe they are ready. Like someone said, only time will tell. My family members pulled through it, but we didn’t turn our backs on them. They know it’s a daily fight.
Hank & Lisa are desperate. They are at their wits end. What would it take to push them over the edge? Probably not much.
Not everyone is religeous, but the ones who are: What would Jesus do?
vaquera said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm Cricket said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Does anyone no what this Jason guys last? I couldn’t understand Hank Sr.
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Jolieceur (sp) he’s with the FDLE and was the ‘new eyes’ brought onto the case last fall.
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Jason and Ron’s relationship puzzles me. Has anyone noticed how Ron is always talking about him and Jason and conversations they have, or what Jason has told him. I haven’t heard anyone else refer to him like that, except TN.
SouthernVagirl, I have not lived in SWVA for
almost 25 years but my family is still there
The drug problem there is unreal. I understand
how you feel. But my heart still goes out to
Lisa and Hank
Simon, Jan, & and to whom picked up the tapes. Thank you so much! These tapes are worth listening.
I agree, the Visits with Hank Sr. was before St. Johns River Search from the way it sounds.
What stuck out the most to me from what I understood I heard:
Misty says that she is not sure if Joe had anything to do with Haleigh.
Misty mentioners she didn’t do pills until she met Ronald.
Misty mentions that Ronald shoots up.
Misty mentions that she tried calling Ronald the night Haleigh went missing over and over and he didn’t answer.
Hank mentioned that Tommy (Hank Jr. Croslin) PASSED HIS POLY!
Hank Sr. mentions that rumor has it he sneaked out of work that night
Hank Sr. tells Misty that he heard some stuff that is not good for her.
I found the Conversation between Misty and her father very telling, more so that all the tapes released from Tommy’s calls yesterday.
It sounds like the date of this visit was before the search of the St Johns river.
In these audios Hank Sr. tells Misty that he heard some stuff that is not good for her, she asked but he told her he couldn’t tell her at the time. Hank tells Misty that Lindsey is mad a her and didn’t want to talk to her, Misty goes off and tells him to go pick up her clothe from Lindsey and the she is probably out getting high. Hank also said that Tommy is mad at her as well.
Misty talks about how Ronald and Family used her as a babysitter and once Haleigh went missing they didn’t need her anymore. She now claims that she is going to stick up for herself. Mentions TN saying that Misty is to blame for Ron’s drug charges, Misty mentioners she didn’t do pills until she met Ronald, that she only smoked pot. She also mentions that Ronald shoots up. She also mentions that she tried calling Ronald the night Haleigh went missing over and over and he didn’t answer. Hank Sr. mentions that rumor has it he sneaked out of work that night.
Misty also says that she is not sure if Joe had anything to do with Haleigh, she says that cops/people tell her so many things and it kind of gets to the point where she starts believing what they tell her. Something to that effect.
chakra7 said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
I personally am not going to feel sorry for Hank and Lisa , they had an obligation to teach Timmy, Tommy, and Misty right from wrong,I found it astouding that in the tapes they thought it was perfectly acceptable for tommy to lie to police and “do what he had to do” in order to get out of jail.
I understand that their addicts but continueing the cycle of addiction is a CHOICE, a choice that sadly they continue to make
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Hi Chakra, hope you are doing well today. You are a great example of a person who has picked themselves up. I really respect you for that.
I agree. I’m pretty sure they are seeing their lives fall apart, the fruit of their life in jail. Their own health in bad shape. On some level they get that they have blown it, other times still, I see a complete lack of self responsability and immaturity.
I have seen people who do turn their lives around. I’ve supported people by sharing my home, time, and other resources. I think it is important to help people, as it is hard to get out of a rut.
I just don’t see these people there yet, ready to really change, to do the hard work to become better people. My gosh a child is gone. There are other children at risk still. I’m more worried about the remaining children.
I will say though it has got to be hell to be under the scrutiny they are under.
Coop- I see your point as well
I think its a wonderful idea to get involved and help the children, Great people like everyone on this site could do a lot of good ,you can tell all of us here are overflowing with compassion
Coop,
I lived in northern va the first 12 years of my life. I knew I liked you for some reason.:)
LFlorida said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Well then, homespain, I reckon you will pardon a small-town gal like me who never met someone with a home in Spain. Call me unworldly or w/e.
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That’s fine LFlorida. Just don’t think being personal the way you were is the way to go. So I accept your pardon and thankyou. Do hope you have a great day.
If Florida is like the majority of states, the rehab is barely available unless it is court appointed; and they don’t follow up with u unless that too is ordered by a judge.
Public mental health or rehab facilities don’t even have enough room for pt’s with insurance who have to go there since the private ones or hospitals are full to the brim.
Besides that, u only get 3 days w/private pay, and it’s considered that stupid 72 hour stay crap. WTH, detox for 3 days, then bye bye?
Just in time to start fiending for more!!
I also thought u couldn’t get SS or assistance if u are a convicted felon.
kitty kat said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm RE Tapes: Second verse same as the first.
I am now of the opinion that LE has completey screwed this case up. Either way it turns out. If any of the Croslins/Cummings were involved they should have solved this ALONG time ago. If they weren’t involved they should have focused their efforts else where.
Everybody should put “pressure” on LE to get this solved. The longer this goes the more I blame LE.
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Yep, I feel the same. Time for some real, experienced detectives to take this case over. Haleigh deserves better.
I mis read that. southernvagirl, the same applies to you.
Coop, it must be something else. Maybe your heart. If you want to help them, have at it.
Hope wasn’t a candidate for boot camp because she had gotten arrested 2-3 weeks before her arrest on the drug sting.
I thought that is what the Judge said.
Misty calling ron is a big new piece of info.
Misty calling ron is a big new piece of info.
So when did she call him? From when he left at 5pm until she turned it off at 830? Or was it until 1030 went she went to sleep? Or was it from 3 am -325 am?
Southernvagirl said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Personally I think anyone wanting to help these people will get a gold star in their cap (sort of speak),,,however these people , since ths whole thing started (Haleigh went “missing”), I have only heard of these people going day to day being drugged up….In some of the audios you hear them talk about Hank sr getting drunk, being arrested again,,,Lisa is all drugged up agan, per Grandma Hollars,,,I dont thnk yall get IT…I have people like this in my family,,and trust me on this…the more you do for them the more they have the excuse to keep on doing what they are known to do,,,drugging and drinking, stealing etc…..Time will tell, but if you dont KNOW people like this,,,you dont have a clue,,,just a kind heart….Unless you are willing to take them all into your home and feed and board them,,then be robbed by them,,,,,no matter what you do they will resort to their WAY of life….
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And here you are!- and know right from wrong. And separating yourself from that kind of life. Sounds like it’s been really tough. And it is heartbreaking to see others lives unravel.
Yes, it’s sad that generally that’s how it goes. Sad.
Re-married, to a wonderful fellow but oh boy there are some of those in his family. After many attempts to help them, only one of the bunch appears to be on the right track. I’m glad we put effort but have learned to be more discriminating as to how we help now.
jaba I know the remark you are talking about
I found that strange as well. Misty said she
had been calling him and then he was there or
something to that effect I didn’t get it either
Hi homespain loved your 2:58 post-
I agree Hank and Lisa are no where near ready to get help , but I also see the point that it would be great for them to get “a hand up” , however if they are not ready there is nothing anyone could do ,sad to say but they would continue using regardless
Ronfan, I think the debate was over the fact that hope was a child and her priors weren’t met with. Oot camp so she kept offending until she was finally nailed down.
She didn’t qualify under the boot camp possibility, you are right.
As she said, she would be worse after boot camp.
One evening while at my Mother’s house, I was out on the porch talking to my uncle, and suggesting to him that snce he didnt have long to live, it was not too late to try and set an example to his own son….about a month before he died my Mother told me, Uncle had called his 30 something son to come get him (Mama didnt allow drinkng and drugging in her home), thery went to a motel and spent what little money he had providing the party drnks and drugs…..Uncle ddnt care that he had grandchildren that had been abandoned by their father..his own son……all they cared about was their high for the day…..Sad, sad, sad…as far as the Croslns are concerned,helping them by way of the church they go to (if true) would be the answer, I think…anyway, I do not suggest kicking anyone who is down….I am not sure how that got trranslated,,,,,People have to WANT to better themselves for any help to work..Just saying.
I have gotten myself so wrapped up in this that my houskeeping or the lack of is really showing. I have to use some disipline and stay off here for a little while & get some things done.
I just want to say it’s been so nice chatting with all of you today. Most of you seem to have such kind hearts. It’s been so nice not having any fighting and name calling. So refreshing.
Everyone, enjoy the rest of the day no matter what you decide to get into 🙂
Jason said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm Jaba, Hope behaved like a child in a videoed conversation with her mother because she is a child.
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I totally agree. I formed the view she was likely suffering from some form of intellectual disability. She spoke like a young child. I hope her lawyer had her mental capabilities properly tested before she was sentenced.
Cheers SG!
ronfan, Hope was arrested the first week of Jan 2010, and the third week (when RC, MC, TC & Brock were arrested).
Her offenses date back to 2008, for which she was ordered to pay money (fines), but wasn’t placed in any youth offender program.
Ronfan, YOu can not collect SSI if you are in jail because that is a Federal Welfare like
program mosty for the disabled that were not
able to have social security benefits. However,
Social Security is a different animal. I am not
for sure exactly how that works if you are in
prison. Conviction or no Conviction that Social Security was paid by you and your employer.
She suffered from ‘wanting to be baddas-itus’.
Hope was not ready to accept help through a boot camp. She will realize that the prison discipline is much harder than she thinks. She wasn’t sorry and confused until the hammer fell. She realized she wasn’t in charge anymore. Imo
VQ,
That’s what I thought I heard that it was Jason Hank Sr asked Jr how did he no that he said he just heard. But wouldn’t that be illegal for this guy to buy it for her.
Plus this Jason is supposed be professionalism of policing leader.
Plus has anyone heard that Ron was supposed to be drunk that night, he suposedly went to a guy he had worked for removing trees and wanted the money he owned him and said thats not enough I think I’m gonna go Rob a dope dealer also had a gun with him,I’ve never heard this story.
Like I said before, if anyone has hard facts on her lawyers incompetence, send that info to authorities. The system should be fair to all.
Chakra do you really think that Hank and Lisa
haven’t hit rock bottom. I just don’t know I have never had a drug problem and haven’t been
around drugs so I don’t know my way around the block in that reguard. I just have never been
around folks with these issues but I hear they
can be a nightmare
Coop, the drug addict is a different animal. That next high is so attractive to them and they will seek it at all costs.
Coop,,,knowing what I do,,,my heart goes out to you for your compassion towards them…
AWWWWWWWW,Thanks guys,no worries,Have had my grandson (10) here for the weekend and he plays games on my pc…..lol
Oh I am fine nowwwwwwww but i haven’t heard a few of yeterdays audios and haven’t listened to todays period,think i got my frustaration out last night acting like an idiot but these nuts caused it!!!!!!!!!lol
I do feel really bad for Hank and Lisa!
I agree that imo i think they released these to put the pressure on…………gotta do something tho right??
I miss yas and ill bbs as i can! Cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!! hugs guys!!
me @ 4:44, I haven’t heard that Hope’s attorney presented a argument that she has a learning or emotional deficit, but I agree with you that a well preppared defense would include positive results on tests for such deficits.
me said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:32 pm
kitty kat said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm RE Tapes: Second verse same as the first.
I am now of the opinion that LE has completey screwed this case up. Either way it turns out. If any of the Croslins/Cummings were involved they should have solved this ALONG time ago. If they weren’t involved they should have focused their efforts else where.
Everybody should put “pressure” on LE to get this solved. The longer this goes the more I blame LE.
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Yep, I feel the same. Time for some real, experienced detectives to take this case over. Haleigh deserves better.
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ME and kat- Absolutely agree.
Some things are obvious bungles. Not securing the crime scene, IE. not securing the screen door and cement block, the rope hanging on the door, not checking the homes garbage, and more. Who knows if they fingerprinted the kitchen light switch. Forensically checked the sofa, etc.
It’s possible they have done allot correctly as well, but if they have it’s under wraps. I think also some of the negative perception on how they have handled things has to do with how they have presented things, opening them up to more criticism.
I will say even if they did everything correctly, it’s possible they would have been in the same place.
I realize they are a small community and there is a learning curve—- but they could have asked for more assistance right away from people who know how to manage these things effectively. Maybe we’d have answers and there would be justice for poor Haleigh. Maybe suspicions on those, that aren’t guilty, would go away. It is a terrible price for the innocent in this to live that way.
Cricket said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:51 pm
VQ,
That’s what I thought I heard that it was Jason Hank Sr asked Jr how did he no that he said he just heard. But wouldn’t that be illegal for this guy to buy it for her.
Plus this Jason is supposed be professionalism of policing leader.
Plus has anyone heard that Ron was supposed to be drunk that night, he suposedly went to a guy he had worked for removing trees and wanted the money he owned him and said thats not enough I think I’m gonna go Rob a dope dealer also had a gun with him,I’ve never heard this story.
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Do you remember what tape that was? I do kind of remember hearing something about Lindsy’s new car but I listened to some of the tapes when I should have been sleeping so I might have missed it.LOL
The last part, yes I heard that and it came from the rumor thread at Websleuths, so I take it as an unfounded rumor.
Oh Coop,there are a few of us who have and its no picnic i assure you!
Good to hear tho that you haven’t been thru it with anybody!
I am 5 yrs sober as a judge,in some cases,soberer,LoL!!
I saw Lisa and Hank in the last video at the boarding room they live in awhile back and I know that look,why i SAID I’D LOVE TO HAVE A ONE ON ONE WITH HER!
i KNOW SHE WANTS THINGS BETTER BUT LOOK AT THIS MESS AND KIDS WHO SAY memememe?? BUT I KNOW HER HEART CRACKS EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY SINGLE DAY,i KNOW IT DOES!
My heart broke for Hank crying like a baby and then Hank said tommys mom might get 90 days and all he said was”I could do 90 days on my head,he did not care HIS OWN MOTHER WAS GOING TO JAIL????????? I WOULD HAVE SLAMMED THAT PHONE DOWN SO FAST RIGHT THEN!!!!!!!!!
AND THEN WELL SHE NEEDS TO GET A JOB? OMG don’t get me started tonight,omg i feel the heat i am hushing right now,but ill bbs as possible,love ya guyssssssssssss!!!!!!!
Jaba, Hope needed her attorney, and other adults to correct her mis-perceptions about boot camp versus prison.
Jason, you seem to know your way around the legal system. An undertaker in my hometown
was bringing in cocaine in caskets and only got
5 years and 2.5 of that was a suspended sentence. Boy Hope Skyes did get sent up the creek. Maybe they can rehab her Is this sentence really normal
kitty kat said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 12:51 pm LforJ – yes of course they need to put the right person in jail but it has taken them over a year to get to the point we are at right now which is pretty much the same as the day after it happened. Misty saying she knows nothing and Tommy lieing to get out of jail. Why haven’t they been able to “crack” them? You mean to tell me that these two Croslins kids are that strong mentally? LE screwed up from the begining because they were way in over their heads and didn’t make the right moves from the begining
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I absolutely agree with you 100%!!
jaba said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Misty calling ron is a big new piece of info.
So when did she call him? From when he left at 5pm until she turned it off at 830? Or was it until 1030 went she went to sleep? Or was it from 3 am -325 am?
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She called him right before he got to the house, that’s been known for 16 months.
Sorry to all by my stupid post,soo you have all answered these questions a million times before but there is new posters whom come here,and to plain ignore them just because it is not in the flow of all here is just plain rude and not what was the BNN that i was a big part of…sad…
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE,PRAYERS FOR HALEIGH.XXX.
Vq,
I think it was in last tapes I’m not sure but I’ll go back and see if I can find it.
ronfan said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Hope wasn’t a candidate for boot camp because she had gotten arrested 2-3 weeks before her arrest on the drug sting.
I thought that is what the Judge said.
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Hi ronfan, Yea that’s my understanding too. Just seems too long a time in prison for what she did, even with her attitude and mouthing off. She probably needs some prison time as she appears to be her own worst enemy- but 15 years. Rough.
I’ve also heard Lindsy got a job but I can’t find anything prove it.
Hope got the minimum mandatory of 15 years.
Minnie, I am kind of new to the blog as well.
I am not for sure if I saw your question but
repost and if I have an opinion or know I will
reply. I really don’t know any of these folks
but ther are cool bloggers . I think they are
just like us sometimes you get anwsered sometimes you don’t but don’t take it personal
Coop – I think there is no question that we can see they have hit “rock bottom” but the question is do they realize it , often times rock bottem is different for most people
Vaq,
She said on the tapes she was tring to call him over and over with no answer and ron says he did the same thing. I don’t think all the calls she is talking about occured from 3-325 am
jaba said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm Like I said before, if anyone has hard facts on her lawyers incompetence, send that info to authorities. The system should be fair to all.
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Jaba,
It is not up to the public to write the authorities….lol.
It will be her appeal lawyer’s job to establish incompetence on her lawyer’s part. Letters from the public are not admissible evidence.
Is there a reason you want to see teenagers punished so severely for this sort of stuff? Don’t you understand that Hope will now forever be a drain on the system, will never be able to get a job or contribute meaningfully to society. Kids need a break. Most adults recognize that and I don’t understand your hostile, vengeful feelings towards teenagers. I was a teenager once and I made mistakes. Guess you didn’t.
Minnie, I don’t think anyone is intentionally ignoring you. I think you would be welcome to comment on what’s going on. But who could answer your questions???
Who was the last person to see Haleigh Feb 9th or 10th??? We don’t know.
Who did Ron make 20 calls to? It was stated early on the Misty but no phone records have been released. We don’t know.
Real proof Ron was at work. Well in the beginning LE stated he was not a person of interest. Other then that we don’t know.
Why did Ron marry Misty? We don’t know.
I don’t think you are being ignored it is just those questions are the same and the answer hasn’t changed for a year. We all wish we knew.
Feel free to comment with us, I don’t think anyone is against you. Have you listened to the new tapes?
Coop, I think that is wonderful for you to help Hank and Lisa. You would think a church would assist you. You are awesome to want to help.
Jaba @ 4:58, drug addicts are common, they’re not a ‘different’ animal. I know people who are addicted to processed sugar (a drug, it is not food).
They’ll drive to the 7/11 in their pajamas at 2 am for a sugar fix.
If we had a law that outlawed the use of sugar by anyone who did not have a MD script for it, and a teen-ager like Hope dealt sugar, should we give her sugar rehab, or 15 years in a cage?
Jason at 5:09: remember on Hope’s and her Mom’s phone conversation; her mom was pleading with her to be good and I think she did mention boot camp, or 5 ys or whatever, and that’s when Hope blurted out, they might as well give me the whole 15!
Humiliating as it is, the Judge even had it played out loud and she had to listen to herself and what she said.
I thought that Fla had that mand. min. so u COULD NOT get an early release, but I’ve heard there are CLAUSES and stuff, idk.
Thanks coop…its ok…not here to cause bad feeling,i live in ireland so it is hard to follow with time diff,,but thankyou just a different place here…its hard for new folks to follow and when i was here alot with baby caylee case everyone was answered so maybe its just me…
Thanks Chakra Lisa reminds me of one of those
Momma seals when their babies are clubed. I just want to cry for her and with her. They
will die of a broken heart before long. Can you
imagine. Boy, it makes you count your blessings
If one feels that the system is failing her, and her lawyer is failing her, and one is willing to be so emphatic and passionate about her situation, then how can they let that happen? Why not try and intervene? Its a humanity issue, right? Blogging here does her or teen offenders any good in a practical sense.
Its one thin to be outspoken online and actually believe what you feel is right, and stepping in and doing something about it. Not everybody is willing to do that because it doesn’t mean enough to them to disrupt their own life to help. I think that is normal. No one can help everybody.
Its great to have a good heart. Its great to want better, but the only way things change is by action. Action to keep writing people who can help change the system is the first step.
If one does try to further their worthy cause in their own way, I’m cool with it. But when the rubber meets the road, someone has to hit the acclerator and take it to fruition.
Advocates supporting stronger minimum standards outweighed the ones supporting more rehab. That’s the way it works in this country. The people speak and decide by vote how to proceed.
hey Jason
I was hit by 2 teens smokin dope going 75 miles an hr. I had so many dr’s misdiagnose me until last yr. I had 2 herniated disks in my neck over 1/4 inch big and a bone fragment that broke of I had no idea.
well long story short my 4 yr old was diagnosed with Leukemia when she was 2 and I carried heavy bags and her to 3 hospital 3 days a week. it caused my heart to go out of control and had to have emergency surgery/
your sweet thank you. I have been through ALOT in my life and I am so thankful to be here and have what I do 🙂
My son kept getting chances when he was a juvenile; one too many, imo; we ended up telling the judge to be harsh on him and to scare the living crap out of him.
He was lucky enough to get on a diversion program, but let me tell u, he sweated it out until he got the ok to be admitted into the program.
Finally straightened up, looking at a future with felonies. No buying a house, car, no getting into college, no credit, and not even admittance into any military program….I looked at him and said, “What are u going to do when u finally meet the woman u want to marry, and u have to tell her about ur past, and that u are a convicted felon?”
Hmm, someone suddenly saw the light.
Diversion is awesome, if u complete it, ur record gets COMPLETELY ERASED. The catch is , if u mess up while ur on it, u get mandatory minimum and plus!!! No judge will EVER even give u a chance again. U r considered dirt and worse to them, because u directly embarrassed them by violating the privilege they granted to you!! It works.
jaba said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Vaq,
She said on the tapes she was tring to call him over and over with no answer and ron says he did the same thing. I don’t think all the calls she is talking about occured from 3-325 am
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LE said how many times Ron tried to call yet they made no mention of Misty trying to call so I take what she says with a grain of salt until LE says something different. We hear Misty points the finger at Joe with Tommy helping and then we hear her tell her daddy..I didn’t say that..well I bet she did and she’s just lying to daddy. Guess we will find out one day when someone is finally arrested and everything falls under the Sunshine Law.
jaba,
You have no idea what “we” do when we are not blogging.
Encouraging bloggers to write the “authorities” about Hope’s lawyer is silly.
And again, I ask, why do you have such hostitility towards teenagers? Didn’t you make mistakes when you were a teen?
Jason, one is legal and one is not. One is far more destructive than the other.
Do we need a starbuck rehab the government can pay for too? How about an intervention on carbohydrates or trans fat.
People have to understand limits.
Drug addicts will kill you for drugs. Don’t know many cases of killing over a snickers bar.:)
“I wish they’d make me come clean….and punish me”….
@10:30
Cricket said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Vq,
I think it was in last tapes I’m not sure but I’ll go back and see if I can find it.
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thanks, I will relisten to them too 😉
Minnie, This case has so many sideshows.
Every family member seems to have had drug issues and they are very uneducated. They have had to be shady (for lack of a better word)most
of thier life. Every night each blogger here
probably goes to bed thinking they knew the anwser but when you start reading the next day you just don’t know. The only thing I am sure
about is Tommy is in this up to his neck and
I don’t like him he is the most demanding
thing I have ever seen. If this wasn’t a stranger abduction it was Tommy it’s hard or LE
to do anything without a body or a confession
Minnie, sorry it is hard for you to keep up. If you will just read Jan and Simons articles you will stay caught up. It is hard to keep up with all the comments if you aren’t on regularly but their articles do a great job of keeping you up on the case.
Welcome minnie from Ireland. 🙂
Jaba, amphetamines, caffeine, and cocaine are all stimulants, but only caffeine is singled out for legal consumption whenever, in any quantity, by whomever (even toddlers).
Do you buy your stimulant in Mountain Dew, Coca-Cola, Folgers, a Starbucks brew or over the counter ‘stay-awake’ pill?
homespain said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 2:58 pm Kristie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
homespain said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm
The Croslin family is dysfunctional to a degree, but whose family isn’t?
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Excusing THAT level of dysfunction “as whose family isn’t perfect”, is to me, part of the reason why the kids of that family grow up in that “environment” end up dead, in jail, uneducated, thinking wrong is no big deal, have no minimum standards for others lives and property, truly value themselves, and often spend their lives trashed in prison or on drugs.
Had their been intervention, the cycle may have stopped.
The kids might have had a chance to grow up to parent properly the next generation. Haleigh may still have been alive. They would have had real jobs instead of drug jobs. They wouldn’t be in jail for the best years of their lives. Leaving another generation w/o mothers and fathers. And the next generation dissembling even further.
All families absolutely don’t have any where near this level of dysfunction. It isn’t in any way excusable. The fruits of which we are seeing in this sad case. Haleigh is likely dead because of the degree of dysfunction in this family. I feel sorry for them- only to a point.
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Homespain, I would never ever excuse anyone (whoever it is) that hurt Haliegh. People do make mistakes. It is painful and inexscusable. however- when u talk about disfunction that is a wide spectrum. IMO I feel every family has some type of dysfucntion- healthy families- unhealthy families. Me, I had a VERY dysfunctional one- my dad was an acholic drug addict. and u know he beat my mom almost daily. My sister is wealthy- my brother has a bachelors degree and I helped him start a business. me well I do mission work. not everyone from these types of familes fall through the cracks. I feel bad for hank- its not his fault Haleigh is dead- Ron was her dad and IMO I watch my kids like a hawk and I would never want anything to happen to them. Im scared to put my 4 yr old in the school system. shes so bright and I hate to see her fail because of the way the system is. its hard being a parent. but to me I see people change different ages in their life. Hope is young,influenced- has a very dysfuncational family/ if I was her I would want a light of help from someone to help me change my life instead of waisting it. IMO
its hard to say somethin on here without things getting too outta context/ people have different opinions and I respect them too. just was responding from what you said so you could read me better. 🙂
stormgardner said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 2:12 pm
As disfunctional as the Croslin’s may be, they are still a very close knit family. I’m having a hard time believing that Timmy doesn’t know anything. He is the oldest, and according to Misty, the closest to her. I can’t help but feel if there were a problem Misty wouldn’t have called Timmy. I know the reasons they gave for the move, but is it the only reason.
Homespain hit on something that makes total sense. We all know everything here is just theory, but I can see that happening. I don’t think Misty would hurt any child on purpose, it seemed like she loved kids, you could see it with Tommy’s children.
Misty had to have been exhausted. I’m thinking Haleigh may have missed her those days she was gone and was too excited to go to sleep, she had a lot to talk about. Haleigh could have been really tired too. Any of us that have kids know that they can be a handful when they are tired. Misty may well have given her something so she would sleep. IF she overdosed her, I can totally see her calling Timmy freaked out for help. Timmy & Tommy both love Misty. If she were crying and hysterical, they may have helped. They wouldn’t want to see their sister go to jail, or have the wrath of Ron thrown upon her.
Just another theory, just a little twist. Anythings possible here.
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Hi stormgardener,
I don’t think misty killed Haleigh on purpose either. For all that is wrong with Misty, I think her association w/ Ron brought her down further. I can see brothers being called in to help.
It’s interesting in the Misty tape where she doesn’t really want to put it on Jo. It’s nice to see a conscience operating there. Even if she accidentally killed Haleigh by overdosing her, I have more trouble w/ Tom me implicating an innocent person.
I made a ton of mistakes as a teen but law enforecment wasn’t necessary.
Calling them teens doesn’t absolve them of adulthood responsibility becasue 13-19 is a teen, technically.
They are adults in the eyes of the law. Take me out the equation and they are still adults under the law. Depends on when their crime is commited as whther its auto adult or juvie. I had no part in those laws being passed.
And I’m not saying anyone has to do anything, but when such a passionate plea is made, you wonder what folks aere doing to advance their cause. They don’t have to answer that. This is a contribute at your discretion blog.
I imagine the Judge will help Hank and Lisa. Their lives shouldn’t be over just because two of their kids went to jail. At least they know where their children are and can talk to them. Most parents of missing children manage to be able to continue working and searching on their time off. Hank can do some sort of work and so can his wife. She can get help or some sort of rehab, even if it’s in jail. Hard work and living right never hurt anyone even if a kid or two is incarcerated. The prisons are full of people who have parents. I feel sorry for their stress, but not about lack of any money or jobs. If Lisa’s never going to straigthen up then Hank should dump her and have a better life instead of whining about it on national tv via the tapes.
Thanks Coop…just wonder how all involved with their drug probs and their background are staying ahead of the law…like why hasnt one of them talked of what has happened?
ditto on that homespain
jaba said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Misty calling ron is a big new piece of info.
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Changes everything possibly? That is easily provable. If she was calling over and over and her phone wasn’t off then they can ping the phone she used. It will help her or damn her further.
Thanks all…yes Jan and Simon are true good people whom really care,which in this sad world is a rare gift to hold..xxx.
Jaba @ 5:34, make caffeine illegal and there will be a street market for it.
Cost of a illegal caffeinated candy bar, soft-drink, can of ground coffee would cost much more on the street, and people who wish to feel the effects of the stimulant caffeine WILL buy it, regardless of the price.
Prohibition of alcohol was a huge mistake, Jaba. Prohibiting cocaine, caffeine, amphetamines, alcohol, oxycontin, heroin, sugar, or any other drug is a huge mistake as it results in street sales.
jaba when did Misty call ron. I think I have listened and read and I am oversaturated and miss some key points.
before i go though i do wanna say,I know without a doubt that lisa and hank both have so many regrets right now,you can hear it in their daddys voice,(to me a real daddy or man)cries!Hank i know.. wishes and would no doubt give everything he owns to go back and do it again,but he can’t,Yes i do blame them both for Tommy and Mistys troubles as i blame flora and whomever hanks parents were,its sorta like a tradition…(only for lack of a better word) to them,when we grow up and have kids we often tend to raise and treat ours the same because thats the way we were used to doing it,even right or wrong we thought,hey i made it and it didn’t kill me? attitude right?
As an example only,my adopted parents had 13 biological children ,not one ever drank or used a drug,I didn’t know what that life was but i got married at 15 and had my daughter at 16 and yes i married an alcoholic without even knowing what that was,it was an entirely differesnt life to me all together and i don’t think in the 1st 15 yrs that i didn’t see someone drunk and fighting every single day of my life…….it was then i started smoking weed…..thought hey,if i can’t beat em join em ya know,and i am so ashamed today that i made that decision,well i’d quit and go back,quit and a few yrs later,me someone who hated alcohol with everything in me
(both my bio parents were alcoholics)
but guess what,I couldn’t wait for a weekend when my daughter stayed the night with a friend cuz i could get drunk,stupid to think because i didn’t do it in front of her it didn’t effect her????
I didn’t do it often at all,maybe 3-4 times a yr….yet everyone else around me did,then once i went to my dr. for migraines and the pills he gave me gave me a feeling i’d never felt in my life,my dtr was maybe 18 then and oh these pills were just magic to me,i felt at ease,i could do,say what i wanted,act how i wanted,because i thought,hm if i act a fool or nobody likes me.its not me anyway.it made me fake sorta but life seemed so much easier because i didn’t have to carry the guilt,my drugged up body and mind did?
After my husband was killed in 2003 i got in a spiral of taking 10-20 or more?? hydro 10’s a day,i weighed 87 lbs,i never slept,i never ate,was a walking dead person not thinking of how it was for my daughter and grandson(3 then) i just wanted to stay numb,everytime somebody knocked on my door Dakota would say Mammam papa wants in,let him in,he didn’t understand where his papa went though he saw what happened to him,he was sitting on the ground beside him and i didn’t want to remember all that…I couldn’t get numb enough!!!!!
tho i thought every day todays the day i stop,my grandson needs me now more than ever,after the man who murdered his papa was sentenced i made up my mind,i laid on my couch near death for 2 weeks with a temp of 104 and double pneumonia with it and withdrew on my own,i changed my #,i left my dealers owing them so i couldn’t go back,i called them and told them i quit…..then guess what,for the first time they OFFERED to bring them to me,I told them straight up,I Told you i am getting clean and today i’ll make an acception to give you the answer and that is NO and if you call,or ever come by my home i will escort you to the police myself and i live maybe 2 mins from the PD!THEY KNEW THEN CATHY MEANT BUSINESS…….
My point here is that i know Lisa and Hank regret it so bad and theres nothing they can do now to change what happened then,but they can make it a hell of a lot better and come out on top by being happy without a drug and be able to stand tall and bump elbows with Obama if they want!!!!!!!!!
I know i could NOW!!
So yes i see regret in Lisa’s eyes and i hear it in Hanks voice when he cries!!!!!!!
I say”God bless then both!”
and if i had the means i’d be there now for them,i really would!
because I see what its done to them?
Some it would not even affect period,them IT DOES AND IT HAS!!!!!!!!!!!
They just are so lost,its all they know,and their world is crumbling as we speak now!!!
Old I know which call you guys are talking about. I told you I am overstaturated….
Brain laspe
Coop- it was on tape 1 Misty and Hank released today
Jason,
I have been a frequent soda drinker over the years but never have liked coffee.
I have a coke out at a restaurant about twice a month.
I find that vigorous excercise and a decent diet, timed right during the day gives me and keeps me with energy where I don’t feel I need a pick me up. Good sleeping patterns help too. I make sure I get 8 in a row no matter how long in between.
It didn’t take anything but my thirst for knowledge on what the body needs to be in good running order and try and follow it.
A beer or drink here and there without getting wasted is my speed these days.
Beer bonging is way behind me.:)
CathyJo Thanks for sharing that
Im glad you quit.sorry you had to go through all that.
bbl really,he want my puter,lol bbs
Jaba, the commonly used phrase is “Drugs and Alcohol”, as though alcohol is not in the drug category.
Alcohol IS a drug, so why the separation? Why infer it is somehow a ‘different animal’?
Legislators drink alcoholic beverages, so it CAN’T be a drug!
Jason,
I agree with legalizing pot if we keep alcohol. Its no worse in my opion for a lot of different reassons. May be safer than alcohol, again, imo.
I don’t agree with you on the harder stuff. Those are awfully mind altering.
Heck, anything, caffeine, sugar, fat, cholesterol is all bad when you over do it.
Thank You Kristie,over 5 yrs nowwwwwwwwwwww,lol
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I made it and I know they want to,luv ya guys,hate to say all that and run be he keeps mamamming me,lol
Cathyjo you need to write a book. You have such
an insight to these things. It’s not hard to publish e-books.
Guys they can not legalize pot. That would destroy an underground economy. Jason and
Jaba can get over that one.
Jaba @ 5:52, Your government told you that you can drink your drug, and you do.
You need permission? LOL!
Its the abuse of any of it, drugs and alcohol.
You can drink becasue its legal.
You can’t drive under the influence legally, you can’t beat on people or rob them and use alcohol as an excuse. Its allowed to be used legally in proper moderation. You can’t waner the streets drunk where you may hurt yourself or others.
Legalization isn’t a free for all whoop it up to the max idea. It does get abused and those people pay for what harm they do when caught and convicted.
Guns are legal too but you can’t fire it in the air legally. You can pull it on people unless you have the legal right.
CathyJo- Hey darling Great post wonderful words to put it in perspective, miss you but I know your having a ball with Dakota!
woo hoo thats Awesome CathyJo Awesome
I think Cathyjo may be just what they need. You
fly into Jax Cathy and I will take you down there.
Coop great point on the legalization , so true
Yes, I do need permission to do certain things this country deems appropriate?
You don’t follw the law? You have to be told to drive less than 100 mph in a school zone to realize its wrong?
jaba and jason quite that smoking and drinking and help me decide if Tommy is guilty
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thanks for all the info from what u got from the tapes. I was interupted so much I didnt here Hank say that about ron leaving work. seems I heard that along time ago somewhere. but cops think he was there the whole time for whatever the reasons.
chakra7 said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Hi homespain loved your 2:58 post-
I agree Hank and Lisa are no where near ready to get help , but I also see the point that it would be great for them to get “a hand up” , however if they are not ready there is nothing anyone could do ,sad to say but they would continue using regardless
Thanks chakra, enjoy what you have to say as well. Even when I don’t say something.
I would hope after all they have all gone through, that the players choose to turn their life around. We can also pray for that.
I tell you LE has been more tight lipped I think than we are giving them credit for.
Coop now thats an idea I would love for CathyJo to meet with Hank and Lisa, it would be the best thing that could happen in their lives, CathyJo could defidently turn them around lol
California. Is trying the legalization thing again and I haven’t seen a real crackdown there or colorade from the feds to do anything about shutting it down.
Its getting closer to being legalized. One more generation I predict. Before I die it will be legal with the same rules as alcohol.
Hey Coop
well I think tommy is wanna know why?
he passed a poly that took police to river according to his lawyer.
he had yellow rope found at his house. and there was yellow rope found at the scence- and 2 cinder blocks. not formally announced but I beleive that and will come out soon.
after steve brown said he craked the case. and after cops told lindsy tommy helped dispose of the body she filed for divorce she was so upset when cops searched the house and found the yellow rope. (thats the feeling I get from her asking tommy (did you do it)
Misty said to hank Im not sure if joe was there.
the way tommy acts is wierd- I think he passed part of the poly he wont admit he was there but they know he was.
chakra7 said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:12 pm Coop now thats an idea I would love for CathyJo to meet with Hank and Lisa, it would be the best thing that could happen in their lives, CathyJo could defidently turn them around lol
HaHaaaaaaaa I agree
I would like to see that myself.
Did anyone else happen to hear Tommy’s Aunt going on telling Tommy what she had allegedly said to Lindsy in her voice message?
The message was being left as Tommy was still on the phone with Tommy and we could clearly hear what Tommy’s Aunt had really said.
Did anyone else happen to catch what Tommy had said in the voice message to Lindsy itself?
If so what are your thoughts about it?
Not every state and not in every city, but it will be legal to smoke at your house and have a beer.
Now that doesn’t sound like the person with the best judgement to watch their kids, but a heavy drinker is no different.
I would be afraid Cathyjo would get locked up
when she give Tommy a Kentucky Knuckle Sandwich. If I take her down there and she gets locked up with them we would lose our favorite blogger. Actually if she will beat Tommy’s behind I will bail her out myself
Hello everyone, Go back to Misty tape 1 to 1208
SHE SAYS SHE WOULD NEVER TELL. i COULDNT BELIEVE IT SO i KEPT REWINDING. bUT ITS THERE. JMO
minnie I see your point about the bloggers here. If your not “in” then your out! Very tight group!
Jaba, take away the profit, and the cartels are out of business.
Free people do not need government telling them what they can, or cannot ingest.
Notice aerosols and gasoline are not illegal, but are used to ‘get high’. If beginning tomorrow, aerosols became illegal, a street market would be created, and soon after, ‘aerosol cartels’ would operate factories in Brazil or elsewhere to produce aerosols for smuggling into the USA, and sell on the streets.
You choose to get high on alcohol, and others choose their own ‘get high’ drug.
Coop,
I enjoy Jasons compassion and spirit about his convictions.
I offer a different view and am sure he understands that. He’s very sharp.
But, imo, I am right all the time. 😀
pLEASE GO BACK TO TAPE 1 OF MISTY AND LISTEN AT THE 1208 POINT SHE SAYS SHE WOULD NEVER TEEL, INSTEAD OF i WOULD TELL. JMO
Coop LOL – I will drive up and bail her out with you
jaba I skied in Colorado a couple of years ago
of course the lodge reeked. In California you
would see a lot of smoking out on the lifts.
Skied in W.VA. saw drunks laying around every
where. You tell me.
Correction:
The message was being left as “the Aunt” was still on the phone with Tommy and we could clearly hear what Tommy’s Aunt had really said.
Jaba, one more question in response to your being a ‘different animal’.
What is the maximum you would pay for a bottle of your favorite brew on the black market?
chakra you drive on up we will sell tickets
give Jason the proceeds to get Hope an attorney and let the rest rot. Cathyjo got
Lisa and Hank covered too. Nobody has the
passion like our Cathyjo. Wait until she
gets back and found out we have been planning
her grand entrance into Putnam
tobias- thanks great catch I will listen
Jason,
We could go back and forth in front of all these people for hours and I would like to do that because I like, most of the time, the way you present your case.
I just worry that others reading it will silently tell us to take it off line and would be to nice to say it.
Anywho, this isn’t the last time we may disagree but I see you a person who is civil in debate and appreciate that.
I agree we need a lot less government intervention in so many areas, but standards for behavior have to be met even when mind altering things are out there, whether legal or illegal.
I took Misty to mean she tried to call Ron from whenever she woke up (?) at 3:00 A.M. until when he arrived home at 3:25… That’s what I thought in the first place when I heard the tape. That sounded reasonable…
May 22nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Oh Coop,there are a few of us who have and its no picnic i assure you!
Good to hear tho that you haven’t been thru it with anybody!
I am 5 yrs sober as a judge,in some cases,soberer,LoL!!
I saw Lisa and Hank in the last video at the boarding room they live in awhile back and I know that look,why i SAID I’D LOVE TO HAVE A ONE ON ONE WITH HER!
i KNOW SHE WANTS THINGS BETTER BUT LOOK AT THIS MESS AND KIDS WHO SAY memememe?? BUT I KNOW HER HEART CRACKS EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY SINGLE DAY,i KNOW IT DOES!
My heart broke for Hank crying like a baby and then Hank said tommys mom might get 90 days and all he said was”I could do 90 days on my head,he did not care HIS OWN MOTHER WAS GOING TO JAIL????????? I WOULD HAVE SLAMMED THAT PHONE DOWN SO FAST RIGHT THEN!!!!!!!!!
AND THEN WELL SHE NEEDS TO GET A JOB? OMG don’t get me started tonight,omg i feel the heat i am hushing right now,but ill bbs as possible,love ya guyssssssssssss!!!!!!!
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The real Misty comes out on the end of tape 2. She really hates Lindsy and for what? Not letting her see Austin? Austin is Lindsys child and if she doesnt want him to se Misty its her right. Misty also sure did get upset when her dad said he and lisa may leave, she is only thinking about her needs and Tommy is losing everything wife ,kids and freedom. I can see him losing his mind.
I waited until I finished all the tapes to write.
They are lying or not telling the entire truth, I think we are extreemely frustrated and You can imagine how the lawyers and LE feel. They must have immence control. I am like Cathy I would like to beat it out of them right now. jmo
Sorry, don’t mean to be such a yakkety-yak, but it just occurred to me …
These audios surely must be making N.Grace & her attorneys a little uncomfortable. [No, I don’t think it’s been some big conspiracy by or for Melinda Duckett’s family.]
Also, someone above posted that it is time to bring in some REAL/experienced investigators. [Well, maybe not – can’t find it now; I have such a hard time reading on these comments.]
For those in doubt about the competence and experience on the Haleigh Cummings case, please look up:
– Dominic Pape FDLE Somer Thompson. [Here’s a quickie thumbnail – at the press conference announcing the arrest of JHarrell, the #2 person thanked was Dominic Pape.]
– Now go look at early press conferences for Haleigh and the press conference about the drug trafficking arrests. [Big hint – Dominic Pape.]
– Also, look up Haleigh, FL CART [Child Abduction Response Team], Rick Ryan [of PCSO].
Regarding Jason Joliceur [sp?] – check out what Ron said to his mom when she visited him at Flagler County jail. It didn’t make sense to me the first time I heard it on Nancy Grace, but after reading a transcript of it, it does. [thx to 1chump on W/S for posting that.]
And finally,
Hello Minnie. I’m def not ignoring you – I just get a terrible headache reading the tiny print in the comment section here after a while.
VQ,
I just listened to the tape again 14 but your right Grandpa bought.
sorry i just didn’t hear write
i’m glad i listened again,so i can stop wondering about JJ.
Jaba @ 6:26, ITA – been thinking we’re pushing it by having this conversation go on as long as it has – LOL!
I don’t know what I would pay. There would be a prohibitive price.
Hard to say without a number.
Jaba, $25, >$50, >$100? One brew on a ‘just gotta have it’ day.
I’d pay $15, for sure.
Its all good Jason. Its all good, man.
Jaba, Go back and listen to Misty tape 1 at 1208 and tell me if I heard her right, does she say I WOULD NEVER TELL? JMO
If misty did call ron before 3 am, then that is different than we have heard or seen evidence of.
Tobias – Your exactly right she distinctly say, ” if I knew , I would never tell ” I rewound it and listened twice It was like a Freudian slip
Tobias,
You and cathy settle down. No need for violence.
Post away whn you have a thought, I like reviewing your take on things. I think you see it at a reasonable level rather than just a possible level.
kristie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Hi Kritie- relating to the above post. Thanks for explaining yourself. When you attached your self to the other person’s post it did change the meaning i would have taken from your post, of course.
Yes, I do understand where you are coming from better. Wish you might revisit it and not misunderstand where I stand as well.
I appreciate the same. Enjoy reading your posts.
She knows what happened and if she tells she will get more time. Ron in my opinion was some how involved maybe just with previous actions but he is the reason. That is just my opinion.
Coop- thats sounds great , can’t wait to tell Cathy I think she will love the idea lol
I heard Misty say she tried to call Ron when she discovered Haleigh missing. Reportly he tried calling her 20 plus times during his shift. Why would he not answer the phone??
Minnie: they only ignore me. LOL.
Until I start crying. No, really.
Nah! Everyone just gets caught up and posting and by the time u get back on the page, ur like 20 down. (atleast for me, I’m slow at posting) It’s like a race now!!
Anyway, I’m in the “other bleachers” LOL, cuz I believe that Ron is completely innocent. Gut feeling, and I feel so bad for him, it breaks my heart as a Mother; I write to him, I feel so bad for him. (I’m sure he doesn’t get ANY mail, just feel so sorry for him in an odd way; I hate to think of him being caged like an animal when he is grieving for his daughter.
But then I go back to one of my original theories, in which I think he is being jailed as a cover-up, because the PCSO have him in on the case.
Cricket said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
VQ,
I just listened to the tape again 14 but your right Grandpa bought.
sorry i just didn’t hear write
i’m glad i listened again,so i can stop wondering about JJ.
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No problem. They talk over each other so much it’s hard to follow sometimes,plus there are redactions I am sure.
I have to go and think about this some more. But right now if it werent for Haleigh I would say lockem all up, every last one of them and throw away the key. They dont care about anything except getting out and saving their own scrawny AZZ that also includes RON. jmo
The Aunt’s embellishment of what she had said on the recording to Lindsy was obvious.
It’s as if this is a common everyday occurance to bold face lie even about simple little details.
Hank complains about money for gas, food, living expenses etc… yet they are able to afford the many collect jail phone calls.
That doesn’t make sense.
From what I understand the Croslin’s have received a car, help with moving to where they are living now etc… yet all they are doing is complaining.
It begs me to wonder if they ever even just kind of appreciate anything that they are given or is this just how they are normally?
Handouts are expected but never appreciated type of thing?
okie222: I think you have the wrong impression of the folks here. Please don’t feel like that.
If they are in a big debate that’s been going on for a couple hours you may not get an answer right away, but I don’t think it’s anyones intention to be rude.
I believe Treece was the first to welcome me, then they all joined in. That was a very long time ago. I don’t get to post as much as some because I don’t always get the time to be on the pc. They are very good about answering questions, but I think it’s up to the individual to read the articles and listen to the show first. It’s not really fair to those of us who have been reading, listening and discussing for the past 15 months to catch someone up that hasn’t tried to inform themselves with the case. Not trying to be rude, but you can go back in the archives and familiarize youself a little first, then you will be able to jump right in ask questions about what you may not have understood. I’ve done it many times.
Ok Cathy Jo: you got me here all teary eyed now. I can barely see to type. I wish they could read your last post. I think you could provide them with hope. Someone who hasn’t been there can’t do that. That’s why the counselors are usually former addicts. Someone that hasn’t been through it cannot understand, therefore they can’t really help.
I hope I can come back later. If my grandaughter comes over after work, I won’t for sure unless she gets involved in something else. Sometimes she likes to take a long bubble bath in Grandma’s big round tub. Lol
Later
minnie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm
Sorry to all by my stupid post,soo you have all answered these questions a million times before but there is new posters whom come here,and to plain ignore them just because it is not in the flow of all here is just plain rude and not what was the BNN that i was a big part of…sad…
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE,PRAYERS FOR HALEIGH.XXX.
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Hey Minnie how are , welcome.
Could you please copy and paste your last comment again w/ ur questions?
I’m sure som eof us will be glad to help you out. I must have missed it , sorry. I’m in and out of here all day.
[…] an opportunity to watch it, but apparently on DVD 3 the whole Croslin family starts to unravel. On DVD 1 Hank Croslin Snr warns daughter Misty that she might be in for a rough ride. Brother Tommy has […]
Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Jaba, take away the profit, and the cartels are out of business.
Free people do not need government telling them what they can, or cannot ingest.
Notice aerosols and gasoline are not illegal, but are used to ‘get high’. If beginning tomorrow, aerosols became illegal, a street market would be created, and soon after, ‘aerosol cartels’ would operate factories in Brazil or elsewhere to produce aerosols for smuggling into the USA, and sell on the streets.
You choose to get high on alcohol, and others choose their own ‘get high’ drug.
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Exactly. The War on Drugs has been a huge failure and burden,money wise, on the taxpayers. The gov’t finally wised up during prohibition and repealed it. The liquor industry was run by the gangs/mafia during prohibition and finally after the massacre of St Valentine’s day the people demanded changed and it was repealed. Since it was legal to make and sell it got the liquor industry out of the hands of the bad guys..Tax and regulate the drugs and take it out of the hands of the gangs,mafia, and cartels. Free up the prison system for the worse of the worse and not penny ante drug dealers/users.
treece said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Minnie, I don’t think anyone is intentionally ignoring you. I think you would be welcome to comment on what’s going on. But who could answer your questions???
Who was the last person to see Haleigh Feb 9th or 10th??? We don’t know.
Who did Ron make 20 calls to? It was stated early on the Misty but no phone records have been released. We don’t know.
Real proof Ron was at work. Well in the beginning LE stated he was not a person of interest. Other then that we don’t know.
Why did Ron marry Misty? We don’t know.
I don’t think you are being ignored it is just those questions are the same and the answer hasn’t changed for a year. We all wish we knew.
Feel free to comment with us, I don’t think anyone is against you. Have you listened to the new tapes?
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Hi Treece, Thanks
Tobias –
I agree I think Misty isn’t talking simply because it would mean a lot more time, I had forgotten but Karon reminded me last night that Sheriff Hardy did say after the last search “Misty knows she is in a lot of trouble” I also think she is protecting Ron or (was), but I can’t nail down in my own mind in what capacity
If Hank and Lisa didnt have probation over their heads they would be gone. I feel some sympathy for them but not alot. They also committed crimes and messed up their own lives, they would like nothing better than to blame anyone other than their kids just to get them out. I do give Hank credit for telling Misty he cant do a thing for her and letting her down easy that they will be leaving when they can. And they will. imho
Ronfan,
I hope you are right about ‘the ronster’. I would hate to think that he didn’t have anything at all and doesn’t know a thing about Haleighs disappearance. Its just hard to believe but not impossible.
A guy has it bad enough losing a child but then pile all this on and it sucks.
Ole ron has done some bad things but the punishment for that shouldn’t be your childs life.
Ronfan, you’d be surprised at how much money. phone cards, scams and mail inmates receive from the outside world. If they don’t already know how to manipulate they quickly learn from other inmates. I’m only a Haleigh fan. I say let who ever is responsible take the fall.
I wonder when we get the rest of the tapes?
So far Ron is just getting charged for his part inthe drug deals. He is as guilty as all the others reguarless of his missing child. Morally he is worse, he left Junior after he lost Haleigh to deal drugs. jmo
Does anybody have any thoughts on why LE would release these tapes with some important info left in them like Misty saying she didn’t know if Joe was there and Tommy’s convo with Grammie Holla? Well the obvious answer is it’s a strategy to put “pressure” on them so they will “crack”. Well they have been doing this for a year and a half now and per the date of the last Misty tape she is telling the same story. And she is in jail facing a lot of time. I do not think they have a stategy and if they did it sure hasn’t worked. They have no solid forensic evidence or they would of arrested somebody along time ago. They only have circumstantial evidence from the MH that they have said doesn’t match up with Misty’s story. And now supposedly they have cinder blocks and a yellow rope. How is that going to convict somebody? I think they have nothing and they are no closer to “cracking” Misty from the first day. Tommy will just lie and lie to get out of jail.
It seems LE is now just throwing spaghetti on the wall to see what sticks.
LFlorida, Amen! to your post.
Hey Tobias. Glad to see you.
chakra7 said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Coop now thats an idea I would love for CathyJo to meet with Hank and Lisa, it would be the best thing that could happen in their lives, CathyJo could defidently turn them around lol
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Here here! chakra coop Cathyjo
So did anyone catch the I should have listened to what Crystal and Amber said about Ron bombshell? She was actually warned by them of his personality problems? She knows alot about Ron and she may surprise us after she hears he is going to testify against her. Listen to how mad she is at Lindsy, wait till she hears about Ron. lol jmo bbl
HEY MINNIE: I didn’t see ur original post!!(told ya I skip and miss posts, I’m horrible on the comp) but I am the Ron authority!!!!!
Sorry, no one throw up please, and if u do, make sure yall don’t get it on ur Ron t-shirts.
I am making more, don’t worry, for those of u who didn’t get one YET!!!! HOORAY!!!!!!
As per my fellow posters wonderful design ideas: (and thanx to them) u have ur choice of :
“walk the walk, m’f’er’s”
or
“google me bi*ch*es”
Anyway, Ron married Misty so he could keep her near to him…under his thumb. Probably to keep her from running and/or blabbing, and obviously to try and get her loyalty and confidence so she would spill the beans eventually.
After they were married, it was to LE’s disappointment that she still wasn’t talking or confiding in him.
Ron’s atty Terry Shoemaker stated that Ron was told by LE “if you weren’t married to her, THEN SHE WOULD TALK.”
Lt. Greenwood denied it, and said “the agency WOULD NOT COMMENT ON SHOEMAKER’S ASSERTIONS.”
Ta-da….”my d-i-v-o-r-c-e became final today.”
Who sang that, wasn’t it some Country singer?
IIRC, it was at that point that Shoemaker had Ron on a leash. (and still does.)
LFlorida said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Sorry, don’t mean to be such a yakkety-yak, but it just occurred to me …
These audios surely must be making N.Grace & her attorneys a little uncomfortable. [No, I don’t think it’s been some big conspiracy by or for Melinda Duckett’s family.]
Also, someone above posted that it is time to bring in some REAL/experienced investigators. [Well, maybe not – can’t find it now; I have such a hard time reading on these comments.]
For those in doubt about the competence and experience on the Haleigh Cummings case, please look up:
– Dominic Pape FDLE Somer Thompson. [Here’s a quickie thumbnail – at the press conference announcing the arrest of JHarrell, the #2 person thanked was Dominic Pape.]
– Now go look at early press conferences for Haleigh and the press conference about the drug trafficking arrests. [Big hint – Dominic Pape.]
– Also, look up Haleigh, FL CART [Child Abduction Response Team], Rick Ryan [of PCSO].
Regarding Jason Joliceur [sp?] – check out what Ron said to his mom when she visited him at Flagler County jail. It didn’t make sense to me the first time I heard it on Nancy Grace, but after reading a transcript of it, it does. [thx to 1chump on W/S for posting that.]
And finally,
Hello Minnie. I’m def not ignoring you – I just get a terrible headache reading the tiny print in the comment section here after a while.
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Some good points LF florida
Ok, back again for a minute (yeah right) Lol
Just wanted to add to something you were discussing.
I was married to an alcoholic. He would start out with a couple of beers, then move on to something stronger. I knew at that moment it wasn’t going to be a good night. You never knew what was going to happen. You didn’t have to say a word, but you knew there was gonna be an argument. He would turn abusive, both verbally and physically. It’s not a pretty sight.
I have never, ever seen a person smoke pot and want to fight. You may not have anything left in the fridge, but no fighting. Lol
There were concerts with hundreds of people and I never saw a fight break out. Once they started serving alcohol, it was a totally different story. Just saying. (yes I know it’s illegal)
jaba said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:34 pm Jason, one is legal and one is not. One is far more destructive than the other.
Do we need a starbuck rehab the government can pay for too? How about an intervention on carbohydrates or trans fat.
People have to understand limits.
Drug addicts will kill you for drugs. Don’t know many cases of killing over a snickers bar.:)
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That is why I see Joe as the one.
Doped up, impulsive, and hating Ron because Ron humiliated and embarrassed him.
Tammy Wynette, sang divorce
Misty even lies to her father about implicating Tommy. She did it on the voice stress test she said if Joe is involved then Tommy is too. She claimed he messed with her and that he is a crack head. What more does he need to hear? He has been wishy washy with both of them, wake up Hank do a little tough love for once and tell them to solve their own problems and if they dont tell what they know you are through with them. jmo
WHY DID LE RELEASE THESE TAPES? BECAUSE THEY WANT US TO KNOW THE JOE STORY IS A LIE. THE RAMP MAY BE WHERE SHE WAS PUT BUT JOE IS NOT THE KILLER. MISTY AND TOMMY MADE IT UP TO GET A DEAL. JMO
heres from the latest post..
DVD 3 seems to tell a different story. I have not watched it yet, but apparently Hank Croslin does a 180, the story now is that Tommy Croslin FAILED the polly.
This once again puts everything back on the table.
You will not want to miss tomorrows broadcast
thanks Simon,
I cant wait to hear it
Vaq @ 651. I agree to a point with what you are saying.
Ronfan:
“I’m ron, google me, bitches”
Is about the best way to describe the overall greatness and specialty that is – ron. This is no mere mortal. This guy is a super hero, with special powers to ‘walk like no man has walked before’, ‘to strut to different places’ at a time of his choosing. All the while us insignificant humans can do is watch in awe of the spirit master. All hail, ‘the ronz’. 🙂
Tobias, I agree
Homespain: Dominick Pape was the one who made the statement concerning the vehicle they got into custody. It was the red rav 4; was that ever confirmed or followed up? He had given one of those typical statements like no comment, (and kept super quiet about it.)
Do u know whatever happened with that, cuz it’s driving me crazy!!
homespain I read your post from earlier you ladies are amazing overcoming these challenges
okie222 said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:17 pm
minnie I see your point about the bloggers here. If your not “in” then your out! Very tight group!
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Hey okie, Believe me I understand your point of view.
This might help you a little: I decided it doesn’t really matter. You just keep posting what you want, respond to other posters and then sooner or later someone gets back with you.
Some days not a word back, or sarcastic crappy, immature posters, or whatever.
There are very nice people here too. You’ll figure it out.
Hope that helps. Hopefully that will help you navigate through here till you find some people you feel comfortable with.
Have a good night.
hey homespain
after I posted what I said I was thinking respectfully I understand your point as well which is very valid as it always is 🙂
Ronfan @651. I agree with the humiliation factor and wanting to kill. It happened their in florida. Teens hating a bully friend until they offed him with knives and a baseball bat. But, they were attacking another teen out of hate. Its another step to take it out on a 40 lb female child. Are you kidding me?
I think folks like that should have to fight in octogan every week during their sentence against up and coming cage fighters. Same rules as ufc, but they could get knocked out and torqued on their extremities until giving up. You know catch a scheduled beat down each week.
You kill a kid, you should die, imo. There is no excuse for that. It wasn’t a fair fight. There was no give up or tap out that the perp recognized before killing and that’s just unforgivable. Imo
kristie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 pm
heres from the latest post..
DVD 3 seems to tell a different story. I have not watched it yet, but apparently Hank Croslin does a 180, the story now is that Tommy Croslin FAILED the polly.
This once again puts everything back on the table.
You will not want to miss tomorrows broadcast
thanks Simon,
I cant wait to hear it
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Time to get on the roller coaster again. Anybody really surprised?. loL
Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Jaba, $25, >$50, >$100? One brew on a ‘just gotta have it’ day.
I’d pay $15, for sure.
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Just make your own like I do. um good. LOL
I think this is when Hank loses it and get put in observation for 12 hrs. These two have almost driven their own parents to suicide. jmo
tobias said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:09 pm
So did anyone catch the I should have listened to what Crystal and Amber said about Ron bombshell? She was actually warned by them of his personality problems? She knows alot about Ron and she may surprise us after she hears he is going to testify against her. Listen to how mad she is at Lindsy, wait till she hears about Ron. lol jmo bbl
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oh Yea, chit is going to hit the fan
I just hope that nobody leaves this blogs. It
is just that a blog. Sometimes you have folks
here that you just like to see what their
prespective is. The bloggers are probably just
like me managing a home, raising kids or helping raise grandchildren,rich, poor, that what makes blogging beautiful. Sometimes I don’t mean to ignore folks but phone rings
carpool time etc etc. just don’t take it personal and keep the opinions going
Jaba- I meant to ask you in your extensive experiments with “the walk ” did you find that the power over women (and other mere mortals) precedes the strut or is it the other way around
ronfan said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Homespain: Dominick Pape was the one who made the statement concerning the vehicle they got into custody. It was the red rav 4; was that ever confirmed or followed up? He had given one of those typical statements like no comment, (and kept super quiet about it.)
Do u know whatever happened with that, cuz it’s driving me crazy!!
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so sorry ronfan, I’m no help on this one.
jabo 6:18 post
Are you really right all the time. Then who took that baby.
jaba said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Vaq @ 651. I agree to a point with what you are saying.
Ronfan:
“I’m ron, google me, bitches”
Is about the best way to describe the overall greatness and specialty that is – ron. This is no mere mortal. This guy is a super hero, with special powers to ‘walk like no man has walked before’, ‘to strut to different places’ at a time of his choosing. All the while us insignificant humans can do is watch in awe of the spirit master. All hail, ‘the ronz’. 🙂
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Yea, they ought to call it Ron’s Trek instead of star Trek in honor of his greatness.
Tobias, I think your right I think Hank Sr. and Lisa now have drama closing in on them from all sides. They can’t go out in public, national news coverage all most daily and IF they were to apply for a job no business would touch them with a 10 ft. pole. I know they probably have not been the idea parents but their children have not only ruined their lives but their parents too.
The more I read and listen it is sad sad sad.
Hank is at the end of his rope. I sure hope
he sounds better in tape 3.
COOP said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:32 pm
homespain I read your post from earlier you ladies are amazing overcoming these challenges
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Coop Hi, I have to apologize, if it’s the really long post, that is CathyJo’s post. And I accidentally cropped her name off. She gets all the credit and they are amazing ladies.
thanks for being kind.
Homespain,
Now I see how you have a house in spain. I could have saved enough in the 80’s and 90’s to have a villa next to you paid for.
In one of the Tommy/Hank tapes from yesterday, it seemed like Tommy was trying to talk in code over and over when he kept saying something to the effect of “You can figure this out” and “You know what I’m saying – think about it”… the same thing Misty said months ago from jail to (I believe) Chelsea during a visit “Think about it”.
That’s when Misty was saying that it could hurt two people, one they liked a lot and one they didn’t like as much…
Jason said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:57 pm Jaba, the commonly used phrase is “Drugs and Alcohol”, as though alcohol is not in the drug category.
Alcohol IS a drug, so why the separation? Why infer it is somehow a ‘different animal’?
Legislators drink alcoholic beverages, so it CAN’T be a drug!
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Yep. Alcohol is an incredibly dangerous drug. Kills more people than all illegal drugs combined.
Nice to see someone is educated about these issues. I’m really enjoying your posts Jason and totally agree with them.
COOP said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:02 pm Guys they can not legalize pot. That would destroy an underground economy. Jason and
Jaba can get over that one.
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Would hurt the big pharmas in a big way too. They much prefer we take their poisons than grow medicine for free.
kristie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:38 pm
hey homespain
after I posted what I said I was thinking respectfully I understand your point as well which is very valid as it always is 🙂
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Hey Kristie, very nice of you, Thanks so much.
I have been thinking about ur post about ur injury… boy do I relate. I have not gotten on drugs because it’s never ending, and one needs more and more just to maintain. I do understand how people can get addicted. I’ve avoided that gratefully. It’s pretty life changing to get severely injured. And over time, even things that seem to heal start to act up again. Pain can get real exhausting sometimes. i understand home people can’t take it anymore because they can’t sleep, or do things that they enjoy doing, or work.
I admit it bothers me that these people in this case have such wonderful bodies which they are destroying. Destroying possibility, of a good life and to do good.
Cathy Jo: u really should write them. I cried when I heard Hank Sr. say if he had enuf gas money he’d drive up to Tn to get Joe…
Lots of love to u. My son loves reading ur posts. He said “Mom, she’s a neat lady, really smart!”
Homespain, lets investigate that vehicle thing, I am so curious.
Gotta go; going to go out and eat. Can’t believe it. It’s been since December. BBL
I believe they wanted to scare Joe into running and if he did he would be thought of as guilty. Plan didnt work though Joe got a lawyer instead. I wonder if Joe is one of these nervous paranoid types who they thought would run? And possibly get shot? Case over let us out… Seems Chelsea was wispering in ol Nannys ear at one point then turned on her later on NG. JMO
Chak at 751
Well, that’s a good question, I’m glad you asked.
Anytime you try to explain the genesis of any supernatural phenomena such as the creation of the universe; how the pet rock sold so many; and what is ‘ron’ really all about.
I think you must perfect the walk before you perfect the pimp’dom that follows. This is not an easy task. One must strut and then add the verbal toughness of ‘I’ll kill a m’fer” which then shows a ‘being’ that will take no prisoners. That’s my opinion anyway. You have the chicken, or he who walks like a chicken, and then the egg.
There are many factions in the ‘ron’ academic community that differ on many aspects of ‘ron’ both on this planet and perhaps others. Its a wide ranging field. 60-minutes is doing a little piece with me, since ron will be busy, this summer. I’m hoping it airs around sweeps week in the fall. Cbs and I plan to work on getting behind the scenes of ‘ron’ and his magic show…… Good grief, I’ve lost my mind. Thx, ronfan, see what you did?
jaba said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Homespain,
Now I see how you have a house in spain. I could have saved enough in the 80’s and 90’s to have a villa next to you paid for.
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I bought it before prices skyrocketed. Hey prices are coming down. If this economy keeps tanking you’ll be able to get one soon. I have family there as well so if you ever need help finding a place they will help anyone i recommend. Just really good people. I’m a product of a Norwegian American and a Scottish Spaniard. Our people in Scotland emigrated to Spain awhile back to avoid persecution/ death over religion.
onfan said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Cathy Jo: u really should write them. I cried when I heard Hank Sr. say if he had enuf gas money he’d drive up to Tn to get Joe…
Lots of love to u. My son loves reading ur posts. He said “Mom, she’s a neat lady, really smart!”
Homespain, lets investigate that vehicle thing, I am so curious.
Gotta go; going to go out and eat. Can’t believe it. It’s been since December.
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Ok Ron
Tobie said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:27 pm I took Misty to mean she tried to call Ron from whenever she woke up (?) at 3:00 A.M. until when he arrived home at 3:25… That’s what I thought in the first place when I heard the tape. That sounded reasonable…
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Also in the earliest interviews Ron stated this too, so I was totally confused when he started stating he knew something was wrong when he pulled up and saw she was awake, because surely he knew she had to be awake to call him in the first place. Just another lie upon lie upon lie.
Thanks so much, Jan and Simon and everyone else responsible, for getting these calls out for us to hear.
Most of my posts in the past have been ignored, so I rarely post anymore. I’m still out here, though, hoping and hurting for Haleigh, hanging on every word, waiting for news.
So thanks again, Jan and Simon, for keeping Haleigh’s story alive!
thewoodlanddark said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm
Thanks so much, Jan and Simon and everyone else responsible, for getting these calls out for us to hear.
Most of my posts in the past have been ignored, so I rarely post anymore. I’m still out here, though, hoping and hurting for Haleigh, hanging on every word, waiting for news.
So thanks again, Jan and Simon, for keeping Haleigh’s story alive!
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Hi woodlanddark, what do you think happened to Haleigh?
and I have to ask, what does thewoodlanddark mean?
Woodlanddark,
Post more. These days its seems civil for the most part and willing to agree or disagree with whatever is out there.
I see the time that you post makes a difference here too. Depends on who’s on at the time. I’m too new to know the past very far back, but I consider my time well spent here. I enjoy it.
I downloaded QuickTime and it says it’s there, but still get an error page when I try to listen to the tapes. Is there another way to get them?
Jaba: ROTFLMAO LOL LOL LOL LOL – Jaba thats hilarious you are great I’m going to copy that post and look at it if I ever need a laugh
Thank you for being so in depth with your research I know that it is a new phenomenon and its in the begining stages of research and it sounds as if your in the forefront , but thats exactly what I was curious about what comes first the chicken or the egg or in this case “the Ron or the walk”
I will look forward to your findings on pimpdom or pimpitude as I am extremely interested in these areas as well
Sincerely, Chakra lol lol
Chak,
Its like this: its hard to admit you are a pioneer in a field so valuable to so few people, er, so MANY people. I mis-spoke.
Anyway, sometimes pioneers in the fields of such wonderment and expectation for ‘pure’ greatness. Is humbling. Not to me, or ‘ron’, but I’m sure its humbling to someone.
There’s a saying I’m reminded of from my NFL days, ” you can’t stop him, you can only hope to contain him”. Now that says it all, doesn’t it?
An unstoppable rebel force.
He’s like the “situation” fro jersey shore fame only bigger. He’s the ‘whole damn thing that’s going on, right here, right now’. That’s a name that’s really too long for a nickname but ‘ron’ is a bawler, a brawler, a rule breaker and a rule Maker. Don’t get it twisted any other way. 🙂
Ps…I have to laugh at some of this. The loss of a child is depressing to say the least, but I’m going to take a shot at somebody who failed her for fun. “Deal with it.”
ron said “deal with it,” not me. 🙂
homespain, hello there. “the woodland dark” is from a poem I like — plus I spend a lot of time in the woods.
The poem is “The old house in the wood” by Madison Aawein. a stanza:
A will-o’-wisp; a faery fire; a spark,
That led me where I knew not; and at last
Would leave me, lost within the woodland dark,
‘Mid shadows of the past.
I don’t have a theory as to what happened to Haleigh. Initially — I mean really early on — I thought it was a stranger abduction. I thought she would be found in the woods. Since then it’s all been so strange and convoluted I have no idea what has become of her.
I have a hard time thinking Ron did anything to intentionally harm Haleigh. Misty, too, for that matter. They may be major f*-ups, but they don’t seem like child killers to me.
Jaba, thanks. I’m backwards, anyway, so it doesn’t take much to shut me up for a while. I won’t LEAVE or anything, but I’ll shut up. 🙂
Oh, and in my 9:21 post I meant Cawein not Aawein. 😛
Look forward to the ‘penguinism’ of the ron walk in a new blog I’m starting.
The tetering side to side is something recently discovered. It was thought that maybe he was walking on a sidewalk of hot coals, or maybe earhtquake activity could be detected by his legs, like a seismagraph, but their is increasingly more evidence that it may have to do with some sort of bird-like trait that is only seen in birds and pimps. Stay tuned for more. I have to keep something under wraps for my book.
For LFlorida, you can make the print bigger by hitting the “Control” key and the “+” key at the same time. You can do this until you get the print as big as you want it. If you get it too big hit the “Control” key and the “-” at the same time to make it smaller.
thewoodlanddark said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 9:21 pm
homespain, hello there. “the woodland dark” is from a poem I like — plus I spend a lot of time in the woods.
The poem is “The old house in the wood” by Madison Aawein. a stanza:
A will-o’-wisp; a faery fire; a spark,
That led me where I knew not; and at last
Would leave me, lost within the woodland dark,
‘Mid shadows of the past.
I don’t have a theory as to what happened to Haleigh. Initially — I mean really early on — I thought it was a stranger abduction. I thought she would be found in the woods. Since then it’s all been so strange and convoluted I have no idea what has become of her.
I have a hard time thinking Ron did anything to intentionally harm Haleigh. Misty, too, for that matter. They may be major f*-ups, but they don’t seem like child killers to me.
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tx. for explaining that. Very beautiful poem.
i think in this case it was accidental od, Misty didn’t want to babysit, exhausted from her weekend of sex and drugs, up all night with Ron, arguing, then kids to take care of, then more arguing with Ron before and during work.
Then Haleigh was not wanting to go to bed to the point that Ron had to advise Misty what to do with her. I think she got sick of Ron calling and harping, turned off the phone, made Haleigh go to sleep with a pill, and then realized later she was dead and has had to cover it up since. imo
homespain,
If the OD theory is correct, I hope at least it was peaceful. It’s more appealing than a physical trauma death, anyway. I just hope if Haleigh is dead that she never was aware she was dying. I don’t want her to have died with her heart broken.
woodlanddark 9:59 -absolutely.
I am just beat and have to get off the computer now so I’ll talk to you again sometime. Have a good night.
Jaba- LOL
I am truly on pin and needles waiting for the book, yet I have to caution you please try to not burn out during your research, I have seen this before, dealing with the pure raw power of this phenomenon is no laughing matter ,so please conserve your energy.
The paradox of which we call “Ron” is a combination we have never seen before , first you have “the walk” , the pimpin ways, and the hairstyle, well I do not envy the daunting task you have before you
I am just ecstatic that someone as skilled as yourself has decided to “break the proverbial glass ceiling” on this subject and thank you for keeping me informed
Thanks again ,Chakra
lol
On the Tommy Tapes, Tape 12, at 7:12 – When Hank says they think you been holding back, Tommy says “I been lying”.
Hello everyone,
what i heard from tape #1 Hank is trying to find out if misty is covering for ron.Did anyone hear this, they need to get the other one down here! Is misty talking about Joe? I don’t know anything eles, i told them everything i know! Go back and listen its before she says i don’t know anything.
Hello everyone,
what i heard from tape #1 Hank is trying to find out if misty is covering for ron.Did anyone hear this, they need to get the other one down here! Is misty talking about Joe? I don’t know anything eles, i told them everything i know! Go back and listen its before she says i don’t know anything.
I think the fact that LE made contact with Misty via UC just days after her 18th Birthday says a lot about her previous minor status and why LE didn’t get heavy handed with her until she turned 18. The PCSO, FDLE, FBI are not stupid or inept. Just like PC said they are building a solid case.
Misty is a hardcore survivor at her young age, just look at her parents, she had to be. I have no doubt she’s locked the truth away where no LE can get to it-for now. So justice for Haleigh waits.
COOP said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:57 pm Cathyjo you need to write a book. You have such
an insight to these things. It’s not hard to publish e-books.
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Thank you Coop,if i wrote one it would have to be easy,lol I’d forget what i was even writing about from one paragraph to the next,lol
I’d have to keep running in here to ask yas what i just wrote,lmbo
Memoirs of a hillbilly!!!! rofl!
Ya know I have only one wedding picture left of us and it was saved by my amom because i had a house fire in 84 and lost everything we had but one day i was sitting somewhere on a blog in Caylee’s case and for some reason i thought about that pic and i was absolutely shocked when i saw …. Honest to God that pic is the perfect one to describe a Hillbilly’s life,lmbo
If my scanner worked i’d show it to yas,
1.Shotgun wedding!
2.I’m Pregnant/he ain’t rofl!
3.my hair is ear length,his shoulder
4.I am barefoot
5.He has on disco heels…roflmbo!!!
6.A doghouse in the background…rofl! omg
7.my neighbors dress
8.my sisters rings we barrowed cuz we couldn’t afford any!
Now if that ain’t hillbilly,nothing is and all in one pic,lol
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Thank God i have it though!
I look like i’m 12….omg
Yea i see where YALL been scheming over here,trying to get me on a plane…OMG
OH Dear Lord,you’d better have 14 elephant gun’s with plenty of darts and a Mr.T Stunt,these paws stay lowwwww to da ground!!!!!
I can just see it now,me freaking out,and rant like i was yesterday,everybody on the plane would be in line waiting for the next slap!omg
I’d have to jump to have any dignity left whatsoever!rofl!!!!!
uhhhhhhhhhuhhhhhhhhh,
I love that yall got faith in me though,lol
honest i do…..lol
WTFlip…Chickens, eggs, Ron, walk, pimpin, strayed a bit off course? What I know is this. TOMMY CROSLIN IS LYING. I don’t have the time to listen to these tapes but hearing he had a knife at his throat… Please. What a crock of BS. Why wouldn’t he just call the cops after Joe left. When the cops caught him with Haleigh then he would be in jail. His story is BS. sOME OF IT IS TRUE OR CLOSE TO TRUE BUT HE IS LEAVING OUT HIS PART. IMHO HE IS LEAVING OUT THE PART WHERE HE DID NOT HAVE A KNIFE AT HIS THROAT. The part in which he was hoping to get some dope or some dope money or something worth money that would ultimately become dope money. I heard complaints about LE not doing any thing about Misty being molested etc. Some have suggested double standards. Welcome to the real world. However that method comes at a high price. If the victim is liked or not liked by LE or is the daughter of a Judge a cop or is a prositute. In these situations there is double standards but those cases are rare the majority are every day people. When double standard Justice is applied it causes a loss of trust in victims. When LE need a person who is not of any of the above they can’t get them to tell because of the lack of trust. That is the price loss of Justice is the price. Until the LE officers involved fully understand that I wouldn’t expect any changes any time soon. Simon do you re-call that guy that killed 3 girls in Calgary, one girl her blood was found in his pick up. He had been previously charged with the kidnapping, rape and brutal attack on a girl who was working third ave. He took her out to Fish Creek park and there he slit her throat and threw her in a ditch. She crawled out on the road and the forest guy almost ran over her mistaking her for a log. They gave him 18 months for that. I know because I was sitting in the court room. I left the one I was in and sat in hers. He had done hard time and only a third to do he was out a month later and took to killing, that is the price that is payed by society when LE carries out selective Policing.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Nicest most empathic posts I’ve ever seen here that the majority agreed! I Love it! And you can apply for disability when unemployment benefits run out. If you went on unemployment due to health problems.
Didn’t read all of these posts so forgive me if this has been said.
Hope can’t appeal because she use the no contest plea. She can file for a reduced sentence but only has a short time to do so.
Her sentence was far to harsh IMO. Boot Camp is just prison but worse (I worked for Florida DOC for a few years). As for Ron and Misty… I have no real opinion just a bunch of thoughts and maybe’s just like everyone else.
Cathyjo I was raised probably a lot like you except I wasn’t adopted and had great parents.
that insisted on education, education education.
hey yall
I found this transcript on cnn look what it said..
WILLIAM “COBRA” STOUBS, BOUNTY HUNTER: Ron was convinced now, beyond any question of doubt, that she was not there. She wasn`t home, bro. She was out (EXPLETIVE DELETED) very possibly with (EXPLETIVE DELETED) again.
If ron said without a doubt misty was not home and jr said he saw man with squeky shoes and the couch was bouncin? ron told tommy to check on misty around 10. wonder if tommy did somethin to haleigh?
that would explain the back door unlocked
that would explain misty not answering phone-she didnt want ron to think she was out and was asleep
maybe tommy had joe help him hide the body?
where was joe and tommy that night?
joe was stayin with timmy thats why they know somethin
if misty wasnt home that would explain steve brown stating she will prob get child endangerment charges (my guess for leavin the kids by themselves)
Coop.I never allowed schooling to get in the way of my education,lol just kidding but I can’t remember ever not knowing how to read or write,though i don’t write by hand cause its chicken scratch and I can’t read it back to myself,shake like a opossum crapping peach seeds,lol
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