Thanks Simon and Jan!

So tommy finally passes a ldt and it turns up the heat on misty. Amazing.

I think LW is doing whatever they can, within the law, to find out the truth about Haleighs disappearance, as they should.

No torture here. Just young adults being pressured to tell what they know of a crime.

The criminals have no rules to play by, LE does.

Thanks for all your hard work Simon & Jan. Enjoy reading your perspective on things. I supposed Hank saying Tommy passed his LDT doesn’t make it true. Are we to assume it does? If he did pass does this make his JO stories true? Am I confused as usual?

misty is a true christian…proof? she has two, not one but two bibles, and she reads them both..now if that isnt proof enough that misty has changed and has jesus in her heart..good grief…ty simon and jan for all that u have done..so much apprec…btw sounds like donna talking in background to someone else during visitation..anyone else hear that?

Hyper,

I bet someone will transcribe them before long to help ya’ out. 🙂

Hi Hypervigilant

I searched and no transcripts yet. They will be avail on cnn soon Im sure. thats where I read all of them.

Now Hank is blaming their whole lives on Lisa?

Hank and Lisa aren’t going to be around much longer between the pain, stress and drugs. Sad
sad… sad.

This is so sad. Hank loves his children. Misty
acts like she has a little more sense than Tommy. Tommy hurt that baby. He sure is squirming a lot more than Misty. IMO

COOP—– I’m confused on the way Hank deals with Tommy and with Misty. Does it seem like he blames Misty for Tommy being involved?

Hi Everyone-

Thanks so much Simon and Jan,
I think the tapes are being released in order to put pressure on Tommy and Misty , they defidently are much less redacted than the previous tapes.

After listening to all the tapes last night , I believe LE thinks that HaLeigh died from an overdose and they all helped to dispose of her body , I thought it was interesting that theory was brought up to tommy at least 4 times , everytime his tone changes and he just says thats bullchit and he changes the subject fast

hmmmmmmmmmmm

I wonder if ron or misty gave her the pill(s)?

BBL I am taking the grand daughter to the book
store and out for pizza. Be back later I am
going to let some of this sink in.

If ron gave her a pill before he left, then gma sykes lies about when she saw the kids can be added to the theory of rons involvment.

All theory but plausible.

misty covers for ron, tommy helps. They try and blame joe.
ron marries her to make sure he intimidates and brainwashes her so much she promises not to say anything, ever.
Tommy thought, since there is no real evidence because they dump her in the water and she would decompose so no proof if tommy told on ron and ron might take a gun to his head.
Tommy, trying to cover for misty, throws joe out there along with misty so they can point it away from all of them.

There, case solved.
🙂

Jaba—- From the tones of voice with Timmy and Tommy talking….I really don’t think that Ronald had anything to do with it. They both really sounded sincere about feeling bad for Ronald. I don’t think they are that good of actors. If Ronald was involved then I think he would be more of a topic in the calls. The only time he is really a subject is when Misty goes off on the fact that Ronald used her and that his family blames it all on her.

They seriously just gave out Lindsey’s phone number. OMG! Funny!

Hmmm…

Ok, let’s try misty as the pill feeder and tommy covers for her and figures they can blame joe and nobody can prove it anyway.

Tommy cracks because he can’t stomach the fight and throws joe out there as a hail mary on the drug charge sentence.

My goodness this whole clan is making me want to toss my computer across the room, I sometimes have to get up and walk away. I can’t believe the anger they bring in me.

Ok, so misty was just the babysitter and they blame this on her. What is the ‘this’ she is being blamed for, I wonder. The disappearance or involvment?

Lfj, wow, what a soap opera.

If hank doesn’t win his battle, then that will be awful. You can’t make people realize a better future is out there.

I think the point she was making was: It could of been anyone as she has heard all types of theories and people have put what she knows in her head. I don’t think she is implicating anyone. She is saying if they would get the focus off of her, then they might find out. LE f’d up royally looking at Misty this whole time.

She is angry at Ron for the situation she is in. I think she wants a little revenge on him, especially since he says he is gonna testify against her about the drugs. I think thats why she mentions him shooting up. I think he wants to kill himself because like anyone else who loses a child, suicidal thoughts are normal, and not all of those people have their life flashed all over the news and their family torn apart like this. Im surprised they aren’t all suicidal and making attempts in that family. Using drugs can make you suicidal.

Depression is serious. Misty is young, uneducated, etc. and most likely has no understanding of that state of mind. Give them a break!!!

This tape is before the info that came out last week. This is audio from April. Misty had no knowledge of Ron trying to cut a deal yet.

The LDT they are talking about here is the April 8th 2010 LDT that we were told he failed.

He meaning Tommy.

I do find that Misty is greatly concerned when she was told Tommy passed his poly. It was G. Hollar that said Misty said it was Joe and Tommy; not LE, but this is before G.Hollar came out publicly with that info.

Ok, the Misty, hanksr tape….did I hear her say she tried calling Ron,,time after time, he wouldnt answer HIS phone,,and then he shows up at the door..Is she referring to the night Haleigh went “missing”?????

RE Tapes: Second verse same as the first.

I am now of the opinion that LE has completey screwed this case up. Either way it turns out. If any of the Croslins/Cummings were involved they should have solved this ALONG time ago. If they weren’t involved they should have focused their efforts else where.

Everybody should put “pressure” on LE to get this solved. The longer this goes the more I blame LE.

Just my own therory. I think Tommy and Misty are guilty of what happened to haleigh. Haleigh either OD’d or Misty accidently killed her. I don’t think she intentionally killed her. I think Tommy disposed of her. I honestly don’t believe Joe has anything to do with the act of killing her but he has knowledge and IMO I think Timmy has knowledge to. It’s why they high tailed it out of florida.

I also believe Ronald knows more than he lets on. My theory is probably way off base but I think a lot of them know whats going on with the exception of Hank and Lisa.

So much info in on this case makes your head spin with theories that could be the truth.

I don’t trust hardly what anyone says involved in this case

Todd I can see that theory. I believe it was the over dose theory.

I would love to see the actual phone records, now we hear Misty was trying to call Ron, I would love to know the truth on who was calling who- I mean its inconcievable to think they were each trying to call the other but no one got through

thanks poohpig

ron used her for mor than babysitn

JenM remember tommy coulnt function without his pills. wasnt he in a wreck B4? I think yur rite. tommys is miserable w or without drugs. think it was tommy lindsy was talkin abot had a rod put in his leg?

wonder why we dont here tapes on ron?

Kristie, Good Question.

chakra7 said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm I would love to see the actual phone records, now we hear Misty was trying to call Ron, I would love to know the truth on who was calling who- I mean its inconcievable to think they were each trying to call the other but no one got through
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ITA – I would love to see the phone records the have them explain it.

I heard hank say to Misty “I heard Ron suck out of work that night”

This is so sad that we can’t get a straight answer on what happened. I don’t condone torture but in cases where it involves children I wish it was done to suspects to get the truth.

I want justice for this beautiful child!

After Misty finds out from Hank that Tommy alledgedly passed his poly it stays with her. She finally goes on to say that she cannot definitely say it was Joe. Tommys LDT contradicted Mistys LDT.JMO

If Ron Cummings and Hope Sykes would have received the benefits of boot camp after their first arrests, they very well could have reformed, and never abused drugs again.

Instead, all that happened is they were ordered to pay money (fines). NO HELP in the form of rehabilitation from the criminal justice system for these youth, just straight to prison for the duration of their young adult lives.

Jason ,
I think that Hope was busted just few weeks before for drugs.

Kitty Kat @ 12:26, I totally agree.

Cricket, yes – Hope was arrsted in Jan/09, and she was arrested in 2008.

Instead of just a fine to pay, she should have been given been given the benefits of boot camp after her first arrest.

misty was caught with a lot more charges than hope’s first offense included.

Based on the crime the first arrest and punishment isn’t that hard on the person.

Murder, bank robbery, trafficking is just considered a worse crime even for first time offenders.

Florida is punishing accordance to what they think the best plan is to stop this behavior. The legislature can change that if the people wish it were so in a majority amount.

I feel so bad for tommys dad. seems like hes tryin to hav hope. like he wants to do good but he just has so much pain.

IMO Hope’s own words on the phone call did her in as far as getting a harsher punishment than boot camp

I just don’t understand how Tommy keep saying that he never told GH it was Joe. He no’s these phone calls come out.What he seems to forget that when Gh asked TC if its what Misty had told her he said “yes” why did he say that unless he thought Misty would say Joe.

Todd @ 1:23, Hope is still a child. Listen to the way she talks – she is still a child.

misty certainly has the right to appeal her sentence and conviction.

I guess they will do a pre-sentence evaluation on her before sentencing and if they deem, give her boot camp.

Hope shold have been given the benefits of boot camp after her first arrest. As it is, she received NO aversion treatment (boot camp) for previous arrests at age 18/19.

UNFAIR? YES!

when hope smarted off and she wouldnt listen to the judge bam she got 15. judge can do what they want.and nxt time be nice to judgy

Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm

The Croslin family is dysfunctional to a degree, but whose family isn’t?
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Are you joking??????????????????????

Until the law is changed by a vigorous psuh to prove brain formation is a reason for changing direction on teen age and early 20’s punishment and rehab, these adults pay the adult price to play in the adult world.

I’m sure when these kids were in trouble from grade school on they were told that what they had done was wrong by teachers and others. They just didn’t hear it was ok to do by their parents. They knew the options. The fact that their parents didn’t role model good behavior is only on side they saw and heard.

Ok, how could Misty have been calling Ron over & over if she was asleep? Did I miss something?
I thought she woke up at 3:00 to get a drink of water, use the bathroom, or whatever it was she had to do.
I know she was awake when Ron got there, but I was still under the impression she was asleep until she woke at 3 something.

Jaba @ 1:35, ITA with your first paragraph.

Jason I agree.. i know judges. i hav been to court tons of times for x employer- they do what they want. thats why i think she shuld appeal.

Homespain, I see a lot of good in the Croslin family, in addition to the not so good; but I see more good.

As Kristie said, and I agree – NO family is perfect.

Jason said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm If Misty isn’t given the benefits of boot camp, I hope her family hires an attorney who will fight – and win – boot camp for her.
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with a team of lawyers like OJ’s she would be found not guilty. But look what she has, a lawyer that has let her twist in the wind, as she is villified by NG nightly and by bloggers like AH and levi. She needs a SPOKESPERSON badly to counteract the poisoning of the jury pool that LE seems to have a hand in also.
Would you want Hope’s lawyer to represent you on a jaywalking ticket? The incompetant stooge plead hope guilty as charged! Dispicable! She is in cahoots with LE! Disgraceful nondefense of a client! She should be DISBARRED!!!

OJ’s glove

I agree i agree. it does indeed depend on what kinda lawyer u hav.

Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm

The Croslin family is dysfunctional to a degree, but whose family isn’t?
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my family. I had real parents and we had a great childhood.

Jaba, after boot camp it is very possible she would have been more emotionally healthy and more mature, to the point that future wayward behavior was curbed, regardless of whether she had the support of her family.

Keep in mind, her entire family would have benefited from the program, as counselors work with the family, too – not just the youth who has committed an offense.

I just don’t understand why thier is no Videos realesed with Tommy on the drug bust,. there must a reason the cops did that.

imvho Misty sounds like a teeny tiny little girl when she talks with her Father. It is obvious that her Father loves her very much.

Misty’s actions and personality are completely different in the UC sting video. There we see a Misty who appears to be a completely in control adult who is out to get what she wants. Period.

I notice too that during some of the conversation when Misty said something that Hank either may not have understood or agreed about Hank simply says, “I love you Misty”.

I guess I just do not understand why he does that. It’s as if he gives up right there. I wonder how many times he has done that with Misty before? I suspect many.

jaba said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:49 pm Hope signed a plea deal after it was stated herself that she could read and write and undeerstand what she was doing. Like all other pleas deals.

She could have asked for a new attorney.

She can appela the sentence. She has a few days left to do that at this point.

She’s done neither, becasue she was guilty and defiant to the laws. She now pays.
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oy vey where to begin? hope said “she wasn’t pleading no contest her lawyer was pleading no contest.” She obviously didn’t understand what was going on and did what her lawyer told her to do like “sign here”. Hope’s lawyer walked her to SLAUGHTER!!!!!!!!! incompetent shyster!

Jaba, Hope behaved like a child in a videoed conversation with her mother because she is a child.

OJ, you are so right! It is obvious that Hope did what her attorney advised her to do, which WAS NOT to Hope’s benefit, and surely not the best that could be done for Hope.

Call her a child all day, the guidelines are what they are.

Start a crusade for the way young adults are treated and gain support and take it all the way to change. Until then, the penalty is the penalty.

Jaba wants blood. From a kid.

She could have not signed the deal.

She could have forced a trial where with the tapes she would have been founf guilty and gotten the same sentence under the mandatory sentencing.

They could have reviewed all that tape in court.

Rons going to pleas becasue they know they are on tape. All of them have said as much in the tapes we first heard.

The guilty will plea, happens all the time.

As disfunctional as the Croslin’s may be, they are still a very close knit family. I’m having a hard time believing that Timmy doesn’t know anything. He is the oldest, and according to Misty, the closest to her. I can’t help but feel if there were a problem Misty wouldn’t have called Timmy. I know the reasons they gave for the move, but is it the only reason.
Homespain hit on something that makes total sense. We all know everything here is just theory, but I can see that happening. I don’t think Misty would hurt any child on purpose, it seemed like she loved kids, you could see it with Tommy’s children.
Misty had to have been exhausted. I’m thinking Haleigh may have missed her those days she was gone and was too excited to go to sleep, she had a lot to talk about. Haleigh could have been really tired too. Any of us that have kids know that they can be a handful when they are tired. Misty may well have given her something so she would sleep. IF she overdosed her, I can totally see her calling Timmy freaked out for help. Timmy & Tommy both love Misty. If she were crying and hysterical, they may have helped. They wouldn’t want to see their sister go to jail, or have the wrath of Ron thrown upon her.
Just another theory, just a little twist. Anythings possible here.

Jason,

If you are so adamant, why not try and help her. I undertand your position, and while I don’t agree, I respect it. I can’t do anything for any of these people typing anything here.

Go help them. I’d see that as pretty admirable of you, really.

Aqua, you can download QT from the Apple Web site.

I think if Misty had overdosed Haleigh she would have been so afraid that Ronald would find out thatshe would have moved away. She could have gone to TN to stay with Flora or moved back in with someone in her family instead of getting a restraining order on her brother for trying to get her away from Ronald.

For this reason, I think Ronald and Misty both had something to do with the overdose, is that is what happened.

Jaba I am back with the pizza and a brand new Princess book .

Jaba, if Hope is an adult in your mind, then you aren’t looking at reality.

COOP said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm

Is there anyone local here that can tell me
if Hank and Lisa would qualify for any state
assistance. I am thinking about locating them
and carting them to The Department of Social
Services and see if they qualify for medicade.
I just don’t think they have enough education
to apply by themselves. I may even research
and see if I can get them some help from
Shands. Locals just point me in the direction
if you think they can be helped.
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seems he would qualify for SSI, that is if he paid SS. Does FL has a state disability program?

Just looking at this situation is sad.
I am very lucky. My grandaughter is 18, she is graduating next week. She is with the National Honor Society and has a nursing scholarship.
I’m sorry, but I still don’t see her as an adult. I can only hope she stays on the right path. They are influenced so easily at that age. She may be an adult in the eyes of the law, but she is still just a child. She hasn’t had a chance to really even live yet. She has so much to learn. I don’t think their mind is even developed yet at that age. Not all of them make the right decisions. Everyone deserves a second chance. Hope is a perfect candidate for Boot Camp. You’d be surprised how much a defiant young girl like Hope could learn.

Coop @ 2:36, so good to hear you’re trying to help. I’m not local, and never heard of the Shands, so I can’t give you what you’re looking for.

Shands is the University of Florida Teaching Hospital. They are probably talking about the one in Gainesville. [There’s one in Jacksonville, too.]

OJ. I thought they were in a boarding house.
However, Hank would qualify for Social Security
if he paid in. However, you have to be careful
he has been signing a document that he was able and looking for employment. He would have
to be disable 12mths to qualify. I don’t want to get that poor man in more trouble . They
need a social worker. OJ I live in Duval so
let me make some calls to Putnam Monday . I have tried to figure out if his employment has run out. He was 8 weeks in on a 20 weeks ext
I think he stated that on Misty’s conversation

Stormgardner @ 2:41, I, too, see Hope as a very defiant child.

jaba, do you pull the wings off butterflys?
just curious..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8gFUyHRW3g

Has anyone been following this?
advocate for abuse of a child reporting possible abuse of Haleigh?

I pull wings at Hooters but you didn’t hear that from me.

Stormgardner @ 2:41, congrats to your grandaughter, and so far, so good – right?

FWIW – I bought Hank and Lisa gift cards for local restaurants months ago, but never could figure out a way to deliver them except through Misty’s atty & I really didn’t want to do that.

[Kinda like paving stones on The Road to Hell, you know? Good intentions & all that.]

vaquera,

That is so nice of you, if he is disabiled he qualifes for SSI.
If he has an injury or is mentally impaired that keeps him from working then he qualifes. I think the whole famiy qualifes for the mental, really!I feel so sorry for these people!

Is that how you picked that nic?

Home is pain.

I’m sorry.

Jason, yep, so far so good. I’m so proud of her. She had a few bumps along the way like most teens do, but she learned from her experiences and pulled through it.
My oldest son & family are coming in town next week for the graduation. I’m so excited. I haven’t seen my grandsons since Christmas.
Just can’t wait. Just have to make it through this week at work then I have a few days vacation planned. Whew hew

Linda B said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 3:02 pm

vaquera,

That is so nice of you, if he is disabiled he qualifes for SSI.
If he has an injury or is mentally impaired that keeps him from working then he qualifes. I think the whole famiy qualifes for the mental, really!I feel so sorry for these people!
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Thanks, Linda. I am nice but that is COOP that lives close and is trying to help, I was just offering suggestions. 😉

I will make some calls Monday morning. Some locals there probably has tried intervention and they kept slipping back on the drug scene.
I may ride that way tommorrow and talk to a couple of folks I know from that area

Kirstie @ 1;29, OMG – your 10 years in pain brings tears. I wish you could have had the surgery right away, and not suffered as you did.

bartenders seem to know eyerything going on in a small town. My ex was one and she knew everything. Stop by the local tavern coop.

LForida @ 3:09, THAT sounds like a good idea – let us know how it goes, OK?

COOP, go by the Cheyenne and talk to Joe & Karen. They’re good peeps. They own and operate the Cheyenne.

Or just go by PPD [next to the RR tracks, off of Reid St. 10th St?] or PCSO.

Coop be careful entering abr, I’m sure that goes without saying it to you but people with great intentions aren’t rewarded kindly and I’d hate to see you in that situation.

Abr = a bar -in last post.

Ok.. good Lflorida that is a starting point I
just don’t want them to think I am the press.
I am just concerned. I do think those parents
were sucidal when these tapes were made. I am
concerned about their well being more than anything.

SSI is for people who don’t qualify for social security,also qualifies for medicaid which would pay for doctor, hospital,meds. And a check each month. So if he don’t qualify for social security he would qualify for SSI if he is disabled.

They might also qualify for HUD housing..

http://portal.hud.gov/portal/page/portal/HUD/states/florida

Thank you, Vaq. 🙂

Trust me if I go in a bar people are not going
to think I am there to have a beer. My husband
would be with me as well. My kids ride their Harley’s down through there so I will find out
where and where not to go. I certainly would not go to a boarding house where thier car was stolen

Oh, COOP, if your kids ride, they’ll be very familiar w/Joe & Karen @ Cheyenne.

OK I will talk to my daughter later. They live in Keystone and I’m in Jax. I have a couple of
friends that I use to work that live in the
area I am going to try to talk to them and get
a feel for things. My preception is that these
folks need some help. Even if it the local deacons checking in on them a couple of times
a week. These people have lost everything.

I’m going for now, so COOP go on & enjoy your g’kids.

Coop, if yiu got poppa ridin shotgun, then I feel better. If anything happened I wouldn’t want you to have to ‘get YOUR hands dirty’. 🙂

If Hank worked for Seminole Electric he probably made pretty good money. Drugs I suppose. WAR ON DRUGS My dad said the only way
to fight it was to put it at every exit in 55 gallon drums free. He had no compansion for drugs.

Hank may have pending charges.

Not sure he will go to jail.

I think the guy who hit him is in jail too.

Padilla was giving them money and cars for information. I will help them fill out paper
work and get thru the system but I work way to
hard to by them drugs. So we will see. I wish
I could find out the name of the church Hank
was going to. That preacher would probably be
a good contact as well. I think I have heard
the kids talk about the The Cheyenne

With everything going on with Hank & Lisa, it’s not far fetched to think they could be suiicidal. Hank said it on one of the tapes. A person can only take so much. Sometimes they think there is no other way out. Let’s face it, they never had much to begin with, but now they have lost everything. They have no home, 2 of their kids are in jail. Someone needs to intervene. I wish I could help, but one paycheck only goes so far, it’s all I can do to keep my head above water.
JMO, but if LP is trying to help, he’s mostly trying to help his self. Next thing you know he’s on NG telling everyone what he has done to help. He contradicts himself more than anyone I’ve seen in this mess.

vaquera I think it’s Hank and Misty’s 2nd tape
where he says he is going to church. I just
can’t get Lisa out my mind in the background
of Tommy’s tape actually weeping from the core.
She just couldn’t take anymore she mourned. I tell you one thing they are certainly stronger than I could have been. They pretty much sound
spent here. Tommy’s mood seems to never change.
I hear the compassion in Hank, Lisa and Misty
but I don’t hear the same in Tommy’s

I just tweeted a link to the posts re: Croslin tapes released back in February. Look for twitter account for

ellFlorida

Chak,

I hear you, but I think they ‘tapped out’ so to speak a long time ago. They are just breathing at this point. For that, I hope for some good to come there way. I agree though, they brpught in themselves and once they did, they were powerless and lacked the courage to break out of it. Some people can, some people can’t.

Well then, homespain, I reckon you will pardon a small-town gal like me who never met someone with a home in Spain. Call me unworldly or w/e.

It will clean them out.

Hank sr, knows all too well that the vids and audios are going to the public,,,how do you think LP got involved with them and their problems..cash, a roof over their head and a nice automoble….THAT alone should tell you what they do with the help they are given…Sadley, when you sleep with dogs ou will get fleas,,,I am not a cold heated person,,,I just know who and what these people are all about…Hopefully, whoever chooses to help them will not get burned or place their own lives in danger…My Mother did that all her life lookng out for her brother, my uncle, and his kids….My uncle got tons and tons of help from all of us,,,,to just go out and get his drink and drug….now his kids are worthless too,,and will steal whatever they see not batted down,,,After Mama helped, even taking Uncle in her home in his last days, the sons friends stole money out of her pocketbook….Like I said ,,, the ones here wanting to help these people,,,dont know what they are getting into…the more you give the more they expect,,but I must say , I know the kindhearts of those I read here all the time,,,just dont get too close,,is all I am saying…

I’ve had family members who have suffered with the same demons these folks have. People aren’t disposable. They do have to be ready for help. Maybe they are ready. Like someone said, only time will tell. My family members pulled through it, but we didn’t turn our backs on them. They know it’s a daily fight.
Hank & Lisa are desperate. They are at their wits end. What would it take to push them over the edge? Probably not much.
Not everyone is religeous, but the ones who are: What would Jesus do?

SouthernVagirl, I have not lived in SWVA for
almost 25 years but my family is still there
The drug problem there is unreal. I understand
how you feel. But my heart still goes out to
Lisa and Hank

chakra7 said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

I personally am not going to feel sorry for Hank and Lisa , they had an obligation to teach Timmy, Tommy, and Misty right from wrong,I found it astouding that in the tapes they thought it was perfectly acceptable for tommy to lie to police and “do what he had to do” in order to get out of jail.

I understand that their addicts but continueing the cycle of addiction is a CHOICE, a choice that sadly they continue to make
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Hi Chakra, hope you are doing well today. You are a great example of a person who has picked themselves up. I really respect you for that.

I agree. I’m pretty sure they are seeing their lives fall apart, the fruit of their life in jail. Their own health in bad shape. On some level they get that they have blown it, other times still, I see a complete lack of self responsability and immaturity.

I have seen people who do turn their lives around. I’ve supported people by sharing my home, time, and other resources. I think it is important to help people, as it is hard to get out of a rut.

I just don’t see these people there yet, ready to really change, to do the hard work to become better people. My gosh a child is gone. There are other children at risk still. I’m more worried about the remaining children.

I will say though it has got to be hell to be under the scrutiny they are under.

Coop,

I lived in northern va the first 12 years of my life. I knew I liked you for some reason.:)

If Florida is like the majority of states, the rehab is barely available unless it is court appointed; and they don’t follow up with u unless that too is ordered by a judge.
Public mental health or rehab facilities don’t even have enough room for pt’s with insurance who have to go there since the private ones or hospitals are full to the brim.
Besides that, u only get 3 days w/private pay, and it’s considered that stupid 72 hour stay crap. WTH, detox for 3 days, then bye bye?
Just in time to start fiending for more!!

I also thought u couldn’t get SS or assistance if u are a convicted felon.

I mis read that. southernvagirl, the same applies to you.

Coop, it must be something else. Maybe your heart. If you want to help them, have at it.

Misty calling ron is a big new piece of info.

Southernvagirl said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

Personally I think anyone wanting to help these people will get a gold star in their cap (sort of speak),,,however these people , since ths whole thing started (Haleigh went “missing”), I have only heard of these people going day to day being drugged up….In some of the audios you hear them talk about Hank sr getting drunk, being arrested again,,,Lisa is all drugged up agan, per Grandma Hollars,,,I dont thnk yall get IT…I have people like this in my family,,and trust me on this…the more you do for them the more they have the excuse to keep on doing what they are known to do,,,drugging and drinking, stealing etc…..Time will tell, but if you dont KNOW people like this,,,you dont have a clue,,,just a kind heart….Unless you are willing to take them all into your home and feed and board them,,then be robbed by them,,,,,no matter what you do they will resort to their WAY of life….
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And here you are!- and know right from wrong. And separating yourself from that kind of life. Sounds like it’s been really tough. And it is heartbreaking to see others lives unravel.

Yes, it’s sad that generally that’s how it goes. Sad.

Re-married, to a wonderful fellow but oh boy there are some of those in his family. After many attempts to help them, only one of the bunch appears to be on the right track. I’m glad we put effort but have learned to be more discriminating as to how we help now.

Hi homespain loved your 2:58 post-
I agree Hank and Lisa are no where near ready to get help , but I also see the point that it would be great for them to get “a hand up” , however if they are not ready there is nothing anyone could do ,sad to say but they would continue using regardless

One evening while at my Mother’s house, I was out on the porch talking to my uncle, and suggesting to him that snce he didnt have long to live, it was not too late to try and set an example to his own son….about a month before he died my Mother told me, Uncle had called his 30 something son to come get him (Mama didnt allow drinkng and drugging in her home), thery went to a motel and spent what little money he had providing the party drnks and drugs…..Uncle ddnt care that he had grandchildren that had been abandoned by their father..his own son……all they cared about was their high for the day…..Sad, sad, sad…as far as the Croslns are concerned,helping them by way of the church they go to (if true) would be the answer, I think…anyway, I do not suggest kicking anyone who is down….I am not sure how that got trranslated,,,,,People have to WANT to better themselves for any help to work..Just saying.

Jason said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm Jaba, Hope behaved like a child in a videoed conversation with her mother because she is a child.
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I totally agree. I formed the view she was likely suffering from some form of intellectual disability. She spoke like a young child. I hope her lawyer had her mental capabilities properly tested before she was sentenced.

ronfan, Hope was arrested the first week of Jan 2010, and the third week (when RC, MC, TC & Brock were arrested).

Her offenses date back to 2008, for which she was ordered to pay money (fines), but wasn’t placed in any youth offender program.

She suffered from ‘wanting to be baddas-itus’.

Hope was not ready to accept help through a boot camp. She will realize that the prison discipline is much harder than she thinks. She wasn’t sorry and confused until the hammer fell. She realized she wasn’t in charge anymore. Imo

Like I said before, if anyone has hard facts on her lawyers incompetence, send that info to authorities. The system should be fair to all.

Coop, the drug addict is a different animal. That next high is so attractive to them and they will seek it at all costs.

AWWWWWWWW,Thanks guys,no worries,Have had my grandson (10) here for the weekend and he plays games on my pc…..lol
Oh I am fine nowwwwwwww but i haven’t heard a few of yeterdays audios and haven’t listened to todays period,think i got my frustaration out last night acting like an idiot but these nuts caused it!!!!!!!!!lol
I do feel really bad for Hank and Lisa!
I agree that imo i think they released these to put the pressure on…………gotta do something tho right??
I miss yas and ill bbs as i can! Cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!! hugs guys!!

me said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:32 pm

kitty kat said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm RE Tapes: Second verse same as the first.

I am now of the opinion that LE has completey screwed this case up. Either way it turns out. If any of the Croslins/Cummings were involved they should have solved this ALONG time ago. If they weren’t involved they should have focused their efforts else where.

Everybody should put “pressure” on LE to get this solved. The longer this goes the more I blame LE.
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Yep, I feel the same. Time for some real, experienced detectives to take this case over. Haleigh deserves better.
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ME and kat- Absolutely agree.

Some things are obvious bungles. Not securing the crime scene, IE. not securing the screen door and cement block, the rope hanging on the door, not checking the homes garbage, and more. Who knows if they fingerprinted the kitchen light switch. Forensically checked the sofa, etc.

It’s possible they have done allot correctly as well, but if they have it’s under wraps. I think also some of the negative perception on how they have handled things has to do with how they have presented things, opening them up to more criticism.

I will say even if they did everything correctly, it’s possible they would have been in the same place.

I realize they are a small community and there is a learning curve—- but they could have asked for more assistance right away from people who know how to manage these things effectively. Maybe we’d have answers and there would be justice for poor Haleigh. Maybe suspicions on those, that aren’t guilty, would go away. It is a terrible price for the innocent in this to live that way.

Oh Coop,there are a few of us who have and its no picnic i assure you!
Good to hear tho that you haven’t been thru it with anybody!
I am 5 yrs sober as a judge,in some cases,soberer,LoL!!
I saw Lisa and Hank in the last video at the boarding room they live in awhile back and I know that look,why i SAID I’D LOVE TO HAVE A ONE ON ONE WITH HER!
i KNOW SHE WANTS THINGS BETTER BUT LOOK AT THIS MESS AND KIDS WHO SAY memememe?? BUT I KNOW HER HEART CRACKS EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY SINGLE DAY,i KNOW IT DOES!
My heart broke for Hank crying like a baby and then Hank said tommys mom might get 90 days and all he said was”I could do 90 days on my head,he did not care HIS OWN MOTHER WAS GOING TO JAIL????????? I WOULD HAVE SLAMMED THAT PHONE DOWN SO FAST RIGHT THEN!!!!!!!!!
AND THEN WELL SHE NEEDS TO GET A JOB? OMG don’t get me started tonight,omg i feel the heat i am hushing right now,but ill bbs as possible,love ya guyssssssssssss!!!!!!!

Jason, you seem to know your way around the legal system. An undertaker in my hometown
was bringing in cocaine in caskets and only got
5 years and 2.5 of that was a suspended sentence. Boy Hope Skyes did get sent up the creek. Maybe they can rehab her Is this sentence really normal

jaba said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm

Misty calling ron is a big new piece of info.

So when did she call him? From when he left at 5pm until she turned it off at 830? Or was it until 1030 went she went to sleep? Or was it from 3 am -325 am?
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She called him right before he got to the house, that’s been known for 16 months.

Vq,
I think it was in last tapes I’m not sure but I’ll go back and see if I can find it.

I’ve also heard Lindsy got a job but I can’t find anything prove it.

Minnie, I am kind of new to the blog as well.
I am not for sure if I saw your question but
repost and if I have an opinion or know I will
reply. I really don’t know any of these folks
but ther are cool bloggers . I think they are
just like us sometimes you get anwsered sometimes you don’t but don’t take it personal

Vaq,

She said on the tapes she was tring to call him over and over with no answer and ron says he did the same thing. I don’t think all the calls she is talking about occured from 3-325 am

Minnie, I don’t think anyone is intentionally ignoring you. I think you would be welcome to comment on what’s going on. But who could answer your questions???
Who was the last person to see Haleigh Feb 9th or 10th??? We don’t know.
Who did Ron make 20 calls to? It was stated early on the Misty but no phone records have been released. We don’t know.
Real proof Ron was at work. Well in the beginning LE stated he was not a person of interest. Other then that we don’t know.
Why did Ron marry Misty? We don’t know.
I don’t think you are being ignored it is just those questions are the same and the answer hasn’t changed for a year. We all wish we knew.
Feel free to comment with us, I don’t think anyone is against you. Have you listened to the new tapes?

Jaba @ 4:58, drug addicts are common, they’re not a ‘different’ animal. I know people who are addicted to processed sugar (a drug, it is not food).

They’ll drive to the 7/11 in their pajamas at 2 am for a sugar fix.

If we had a law that outlawed the use of sugar by anyone who did not have a MD script for it, and a teen-ager like Hope dealt sugar, should we give her sugar rehab, or 15 years in a cage?

Thanks coop…its ok…not here to cause bad feeling,i live in ireland so it is hard to follow with time diff,,but thankyou just a different place here…its hard for new folks to follow and when i was here alot with baby caylee case everyone was answered so maybe its just me…

If one feels that the system is failing her, and her lawyer is failing her, and one is willing to be so emphatic and passionate about her situation, then how can they let that happen? Why not try and intervene? Its a humanity issue, right? Blogging here does her or teen offenders any good in a practical sense.

Its one thin to be outspoken online and actually believe what you feel is right, and stepping in and doing something about it. Not everybody is willing to do that because it doesn’t mean enough to them to disrupt their own life to help. I think that is normal. No one can help everybody.

Its great to have a good heart. Its great to want better, but the only way things change is by action. Action to keep writing people who can help change the system is the first step.

If one does try to further their worthy cause in their own way, I’m cool with it. But when the rubber meets the road, someone has to hit the acclerator and take it to fruition.

Advocates supporting stronger minimum standards outweighed the ones supporting more rehab. That’s the way it works in this country. The people speak and decide by vote how to proceed.

My son kept getting chances when he was a juvenile; one too many, imo; we ended up telling the judge to be harsh on him and to scare the living crap out of him.
He was lucky enough to get on a diversion program, but let me tell u, he sweated it out until he got the ok to be admitted into the program.
Finally straightened up, looking at a future with felonies. No buying a house, car, no getting into college, no credit, and not even admittance into any military program….I looked at him and said, “What are u going to do when u finally meet the woman u want to marry, and u have to tell her about ur past, and that u are a convicted felon?”
Hmm, someone suddenly saw the light.
Diversion is awesome, if u complete it, ur record gets COMPLETELY ERASED. The catch is , if u mess up while ur on it, u get mandatory minimum and plus!!! No judge will EVER even give u a chance again. U r considered dirt and worse to them, because u directly embarrassed them by violating the privilege they granted to you!! It works.

jaba,

You have no idea what “we” do when we are not blogging.

Encouraging bloggers to write the “authorities” about Hope’s lawyer is silly.

And again, I ask, why do you have such hostitility towards teenagers? Didn’t you make mistakes when you were a teen?

“I wish they’d make me come clean….and punish me”….

@10:30

Minnie, This case has so many sideshows.
Every family member seems to have had drug issues and they are very uneducated. They have had to be shady (for lack of a better word)most
of thier life. Every night each blogger here
probably goes to bed thinking they knew the anwser but when you start reading the next day you just don’t know. The only thing I am sure
about is Tommy is in this up to his neck and
I don’t like him he is the most demanding
thing I have ever seen. If this wasn’t a stranger abduction it was Tommy it’s hard or LE
to do anything without a body or a confession

Welcome minnie from Ireland. 🙂

homespain said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 2:58 pm Kristie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm

homespain said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm Jason said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm

The Croslin family is dysfunctional to a degree, but whose family isn’t?
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Are you joking??????????????????????

(no family is perfect)
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Excusing THAT level of dysfunction “as whose family isn’t perfect”, is to me, part of the reason why the kids of that family grow up in that “environment” end up dead, in jail, uneducated, thinking wrong is no big deal, have no minimum standards for others lives and property, truly value themselves, and often spend their lives trashed in prison or on drugs.

Had their been intervention, the cycle may have stopped.

The kids might have had a chance to grow up to parent properly the next generation. Haleigh may still have been alive. They would have had real jobs instead of drug jobs. They wouldn’t be in jail for the best years of their lives. Leaving another generation w/o mothers and fathers. And the next generation dissembling even further.

All families absolutely don’t have any where near this level of dysfunction. It isn’t in any way excusable. The fruits of which we are seeing in this sad case. Haleigh is likely dead because of the degree of dysfunction in this family. I feel sorry for them- only to a point.
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Homespain, I would never ever excuse anyone (whoever it is) that hurt Haliegh. People do make mistakes. It is painful and inexscusable. however- when u talk about disfunction that is a wide spectrum. IMO I feel every family has some type of dysfucntion- healthy families- unhealthy families. Me, I had a VERY dysfunctional one- my dad was an acholic drug addict. and u know he beat my mom almost daily. My sister is wealthy- my brother has a bachelors degree and I helped him start a business. me well I do mission work. not everyone from these types of familes fall through the cracks. I feel bad for hank- its not his fault Haleigh is dead- Ron was her dad and IMO I watch my kids like a hawk and I would never want anything to happen to them. Im scared to put my 4 yr old in the school system. shes so bright and I hate to see her fail because of the way the system is. its hard being a parent. but to me I see people change different ages in their life. Hope is young,influenced- has a very dysfuncational family/ if I was her I would want a light of help from someone to help me change my life instead of waisting it. IMO
its hard to say somethin on here without things getting too outta context/ people have different opinions and I respect them too. just was responding from what you said so you could read me better. 🙂

I made a ton of mistakes as a teen but law enforecment wasn’t necessary.

Calling them teens doesn’t absolve them of adulthood responsibility becasue 13-19 is a teen, technically.

They are adults in the eyes of the law. Take me out the equation and they are still adults under the law. Depends on when their crime is commited as whther its auto adult or juvie. I had no part in those laws being passed.

And I’m not saying anyone has to do anything, but when such a passionate plea is made, you wonder what folks aere doing to advance their cause. They don’t have to answer that. This is a contribute at your discretion blog.

Thanks Coop…just wonder how all involved with their drug probs and their background are staying ahead of the law…like why hasnt one of them talked of what has happened?

jaba said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm

Misty calling ron is a big new piece of info.
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Changes everything possibly? That is easily provable. If she was calling over and over and her phone wasn’t off then they can ping the phone she used. It will help her or damn her further.

Jaba @ 5:34, make caffeine illegal and there will be a street market for it.

Cost of a illegal caffeinated candy bar, soft-drink, can of ground coffee would cost much more on the street, and people who wish to feel the effects of the stimulant caffeine WILL buy it, regardless of the price.

Prohibition of alcohol was a huge mistake, Jaba. Prohibiting cocaine, caffeine, amphetamines, alcohol, oxycontin, heroin, sugar, or any other drug is a huge mistake as it results in street sales.

before i go though i do wanna say,I know without a doubt that lisa and hank both have so many regrets right now,you can hear it in their daddys voice,(to me a real daddy or man)cries!Hank i know.. wishes and would no doubt give everything he owns to go back and do it again,but he can’t,Yes i do blame them both for Tommy and Mistys troubles as i blame flora and whomever hanks parents were,its sorta like a tradition…(only for lack of a better word) to them,when we grow up and have kids we often tend to raise and treat ours the same because thats the way we were used to doing it,even right or wrong we thought,hey i made it and it didn’t kill me? attitude right?
As an example only,my adopted parents had 13 biological children ,not one ever drank or used a drug,I didn’t know what that life was but i got married at 15 and had my daughter at 16 and yes i married an alcoholic without even knowing what that was,it was an entirely differesnt life to me all together and i don’t think in the 1st 15 yrs that i didn’t see someone drunk and fighting every single day of my life…….it was then i started smoking weed…..thought hey,if i can’t beat em join em ya know,and i am so ashamed today that i made that decision,well i’d quit and go back,quit and a few yrs later,me someone who hated alcohol with everything in me
(both my bio parents were alcoholics)
but guess what,I couldn’t wait for a weekend when my daughter stayed the night with a friend cuz i could get drunk,stupid to think because i didn’t do it in front of her it didn’t effect her????
I didn’t do it often at all,maybe 3-4 times a yr….yet everyone else around me did,then once i went to my dr. for migraines and the pills he gave me gave me a feeling i’d never felt in my life,my dtr was maybe 18 then and oh these pills were just magic to me,i felt at ease,i could do,say what i wanted,act how i wanted,because i thought,hm if i act a fool or nobody likes me.its not me anyway.it made me fake sorta but life seemed so much easier because i didn’t have to carry the guilt,my drugged up body and mind did?
After my husband was killed in 2003 i got in a spiral of taking 10-20 or more?? hydro 10’s a day,i weighed 87 lbs,i never slept,i never ate,was a walking dead person not thinking of how it was for my daughter and grandson(3 then) i just wanted to stay numb,everytime somebody knocked on my door Dakota would say Mammam papa wants in,let him in,he didn’t understand where his papa went though he saw what happened to him,he was sitting on the ground beside him and i didn’t want to remember all that…I couldn’t get numb enough!!!!!
tho i thought every day todays the day i stop,my grandson needs me now more than ever,after the man who murdered his papa was sentenced i made up my mind,i laid on my couch near death for 2 weeks with a temp of 104 and double pneumonia with it and withdrew on my own,i changed my #,i left my dealers owing them so i couldn’t go back,i called them and told them i quit…..then guess what,for the first time they OFFERED to bring them to me,I told them straight up,I Told you i am getting clean and today i’ll make an acception to give you the answer and that is NO and if you call,or ever come by my home i will escort you to the police myself and i live maybe 2 mins from the PD!THEY KNEW THEN CATHY MEANT BUSINESS…….
My point here is that i know Lisa and Hank regret it so bad and theres nothing they can do now to change what happened then,but they can make it a hell of a lot better and come out on top by being happy without a drug and be able to stand tall and bump elbows with Obama if they want!!!!!!!!!
I know i could NOW!!
So yes i see regret in Lisa’s eyes and i hear it in Hanks voice when he cries!!!!!!!
I say”God bless then both!”
and if i had the means i’d be there now for them,i really would!
because I see what its done to them?
Some it would not even affect period,them IT DOES AND IT HAS!!!!!!!!!!!
They just are so lost,its all they know,and their world is crumbling as we speak now!!!

Coop- it was on tape 1 Misty and Hank released today

CathyJo Thanks for sharing that

Im glad you quit.sorry you had to go through all that.

Jaba, the commonly used phrase is “Drugs and Alcohol”, as though alcohol is not in the drug category.

Alcohol IS a drug, so why the separation? Why infer it is somehow a ‘different animal’?

Legislators drink alcoholic beverages, so it CAN’T be a drug!

Thank You Kristie,over 5 yrs nowwwwwwwwwwww,lol
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
I made it and I know they want to,luv ya guys,hate to say all that and run be he keeps mamamming me,lol

Guys they can not legalize pot. That would destroy an underground economy. Jason and
Jaba can get over that one.

Its the abuse of any of it, drugs and alcohol.

You can drink becasue its legal.

You can’t drive under the influence legally, you can’t beat on people or rob them and use alcohol as an excuse. Its allowed to be used legally in proper moderation. You can’t waner the streets drunk where you may hurt yourself or others.

Legalization isn’t a free for all whoop it up to the max idea. It does get abused and those people pay for what harm they do when caught and convicted.

Guns are legal too but you can’t fire it in the air legally. You can pull it on people unless you have the legal right.

woo hoo thats Awesome CathyJo Awesome

Coop great point on the legalization , so true

jaba and jason quite that smoking and drinking and help me decide if Tommy is guilty

chakra7 said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

Hi homespain loved your 2:58 post-
I agree Hank and Lisa are no where near ready to get help , but I also see the point that it would be great for them to get “a hand up” , however if they are not ready there is nothing anyone could do ,sad to say but they would continue using regardless

Thanks chakra, enjoy what you have to say as well. Even when I don’t say something.

I would hope after all they have all gone through, that the players choose to turn their life around. We can also pray for that.

Coop now thats an idea I would love for CathyJo to meet with Hank and Lisa, it would be the best thing that could happen in their lives, CathyJo could defidently turn them around lol

Hey Coop

well I think tommy is wanna know why?

he passed a poly that took police to river according to his lawyer.

he had yellow rope found at his house. and there was yellow rope found at the scence- and 2 cinder blocks. not formally announced but I beleive that and will come out soon.

after steve brown said he craked the case. and after cops told lindsy tommy helped dispose of the body she filed for divorce she was so upset when cops searched the house and found the yellow rope. (thats the feeling I get from her asking tommy (did you do it)

Misty said to hank Im not sure if joe was there.

the way tommy acts is wierd- I think he passed part of the poly he wont admit he was there but they know he was.

Did anyone else happen to hear Tommy’s Aunt going on telling Tommy what she had allegedly said to Lindsy in her voice message?

The message was being left as Tommy was still on the phone with Tommy and we could clearly hear what Tommy’s Aunt had really said.

Did anyone else happen to catch what Tommy had said in the voice message to Lindsy itself?

If so what are your thoughts about it?

I would be afraid Cathyjo would get locked up
when she give Tommy a Kentucky Knuckle Sandwich. If I take her down there and she gets locked up with them we would lose our favorite blogger. Actually if she will beat Tommy’s behind I will bail her out myself

minnie I see your point about the bloggers here. If your not “in” then your out! Very tight group!

Coop,

I enjoy Jasons compassion and spirit about his convictions.

I offer a different view and am sure he understands that. He’s very sharp.

But, imo, I am right all the time. 😀

Coop LOL – I will drive up and bail her out with you

Correction:
The message was being left as “the Aunt” was still on the phone with Tommy and we could clearly hear what Tommy’s Aunt had really said.

chakra you drive on up we will sell tickets
give Jason the proceeds to get Hope an attorney and let the rest rot. Cathyjo got
Lisa and Hank covered too. Nobody has the
passion like our Cathyjo. Wait until she
gets back and found out we have been planning
her grand entrance into Putnam

Jason,

We could go back and forth in front of all these people for hours and I would like to do that because I like, most of the time, the way you present your case.

I just worry that others reading it will silently tell us to take it off line and would be to nice to say it.

Anywho, this isn’t the last time we may disagree but I see you a person who is civil in debate and appreciate that.

I agree we need a lot less government intervention in so many areas, but standards for behavior have to be met even when mind altering things are out there, whether legal or illegal.

May 22nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

Oh Coop,there are a few of us who have and its no picnic i assure you!
Good to hear tho that you haven’t been thru it with anybody!
I am 5 yrs sober as a judge,in some cases,soberer,LoL!!
I saw Lisa and Hank in the last video at the boarding room they live in awhile back and I know that look,why i SAID I’D LOVE TO HAVE A ONE ON ONE WITH HER!
i KNOW SHE WANTS THINGS BETTER BUT LOOK AT THIS MESS AND KIDS WHO SAY memememe?? BUT I KNOW HER HEART CRACKS EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY SINGLE DAY,i KNOW IT DOES!
My heart broke for Hank crying like a baby and then Hank said tommys mom might get 90 days and all he said was”I could do 90 days on my head,he did not care HIS OWN MOTHER WAS GOING TO JAIL????????? I WOULD HAVE SLAMMED THAT PHONE DOWN SO FAST RIGHT THEN!!!!!!!!!
AND THEN WELL SHE NEEDS TO GET A JOB? OMG don’t get me started tonight,omg i feel the heat i am hushing right now,but ill bbs as possible,love ya guyssssssssssss!!!!!!!
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ddddiiiitttoooo.

Sorry, don’t mean to be such a yakkety-yak, but it just occurred to me …

These audios surely must be making N.Grace & her attorneys a little uncomfortable. [No, I don’t think it’s been some big conspiracy by or for Melinda Duckett’s family.]

Also, someone above posted that it is time to bring in some REAL/experienced investigators. [Well, maybe not – can’t find it now; I have such a hard time reading on these comments.]

For those in doubt about the competence and experience on the Haleigh Cummings case, please look up:

– Dominic Pape FDLE Somer Thompson. [Here’s a quickie thumbnail – at the press conference announcing the arrest of JHarrell, the #2 person thanked was Dominic Pape.]

– Now go look at early press conferences for Haleigh and the press conference about the drug trafficking arrests. [Big hint – Dominic Pape.]

– Also, look up Haleigh, FL CART [Child Abduction Response Team], Rick Ryan [of PCSO].

Regarding Jason Joliceur [sp?] – check out what Ron said to his mom when she visited him at Flagler County jail. It didn’t make sense to me the first time I heard it on Nancy Grace, but after reading a transcript of it, it does. [thx to 1chump on W/S for posting that.]

And finally,

Hello Minnie. I’m def not ignoring you – I just get a terrible headache reading the tiny print in the comment section here after a while.

Jaba @ 6:26, ITA – been thinking we’re pushing it by having this conversation go on as long as it has – LOL!

Jaba, $25, >$50, >$100? One brew on a ‘just gotta have it’ day.

I’d pay $15, for sure.

Jaba, Go back and listen to Misty tape 1 at 1208 and tell me if I heard her right, does she say I WOULD NEVER TELL? JMO

Tobias – Your exactly right she distinctly say, ” if I knew , I would never tell ” I rewound it and listened twice It was like a Freudian slip

kristie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm

Hi Kritie- relating to the above post. Thanks for explaining yourself. When you attached your self to the other person’s post it did change the meaning i would have taken from your post, of course.

Yes, I do understand where you are coming from better. Wish you might revisit it and not misunderstand where I stand as well.

I appreciate the same. Enjoy reading your posts.

Coop- thats sounds great , can’t wait to tell Cathy I think she will love the idea lol

Minnie: they only ignore me. LOL.

Until I start crying. No, really.

Nah! Everyone just gets caught up and posting and by the time u get back on the page, ur like 20 down. (atleast for me, I’m slow at posting) It’s like a race now!!

Anyway, I’m in the “other bleachers” LOL, cuz I believe that Ron is completely innocent. Gut feeling, and I feel so bad for him, it breaks my heart as a Mother; I write to him, I feel so bad for him. (I’m sure he doesn’t get ANY mail, just feel so sorry for him in an odd way; I hate to think of him being caged like an animal when he is grieving for his daughter.

But then I go back to one of my original theories, in which I think he is being jailed as a cover-up, because the PCSO have him in on the case.

I have to go and think about this some more. But right now if it werent for Haleigh I would say lockem all up, every last one of them and throw away the key. They dont care about anything except getting out and saving their own scrawny AZZ that also includes RON. jmo

okie222: I think you have the wrong impression of the folks here. Please don’t feel like that.
If they are in a big debate that’s been going on for a couple hours you may not get an answer right away, but I don’t think it’s anyones intention to be rude.
I believe Treece was the first to welcome me, then they all joined in. That was a very long time ago. I don’t get to post as much as some because I don’t always get the time to be on the pc. They are very good about answering questions, but I think it’s up to the individual to read the articles and listen to the show first. It’s not really fair to those of us who have been reading, listening and discussing for the past 15 months to catch someone up that hasn’t tried to inform themselves with the case. Not trying to be rude, but you can go back in the archives and familiarize youself a little first, then you will be able to jump right in ask questions about what you may not have understood. I’ve done it many times.
Ok Cathy Jo: you got me here all teary eyed now. I can barely see to type. I wish they could read your last post. I think you could provide them with hope. Someone who hasn’t been there can’t do that. That’s why the counselors are usually former addicts. Someone that hasn’t been through it cannot understand, therefore they can’t really help.
I hope I can come back later. If my grandaughter comes over after work, I won’t for sure unless she gets involved in something else. Sometimes she likes to take a long bubble bath in Grandma’s big round tub. Lol
Later

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treece said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

Minnie, I don’t think anyone is intentionally ignoring you. I think you would be welcome to comment on what’s going on. But who could answer your questions???
Who was the last person to see Haleigh Feb 9th or 10th??? We don’t know.
Who did Ron make 20 calls to? It was stated early on the Misty but no phone records have been released. We don’t know.
Real proof Ron was at work. Well in the beginning LE stated he was not a person of interest. Other then that we don’t know.
Why did Ron marry Misty? We don’t know.
I don’t think you are being ignored it is just those questions are the same and the answer hasn’t changed for a year. We all wish we knew.
Feel free to comment with us, I don’t think anyone is against you. Have you listened to the new tapes?
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Hi Treece, Thanks

If Hank and Lisa didnt have probation over their heads they would be gone. I feel some sympathy for them but not alot. They also committed crimes and messed up their own lives, they would like nothing better than to blame anyone other than their kids just to get them out. I do give Hank credit for telling Misty he cant do a thing for her and letting her down easy that they will be leaving when they can. And they will. imho

Ronfan, you’d be surprised at how much money. phone cards, scams and mail inmates receive from the outside world. If they don’t already know how to manipulate they quickly learn from other inmates. I’m only a Haleigh fan. I say let who ever is responsible take the fall.

So far Ron is just getting charged for his part inthe drug deals. He is as guilty as all the others reguarless of his missing child. Morally he is worse, he left Junior after he lost Haleigh to deal drugs. jmo

LFlorida, Amen! to your post.
Hey Tobias. Glad to see you.

So did anyone catch the I should have listened to what Crystal and Amber said about Ron bombshell? She was actually warned by them of his personality problems? She knows alot about Ron and she may surprise us after she hears he is going to testify against her. Listen to how mad she is at Lindsy, wait till she hears about Ron. lol jmo bbl

LFlorida said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 pm

Sorry, don’t mean to be such a yakkety-yak, but it just occurred to me …

These audios surely must be making N.Grace & her attorneys a little uncomfortable. [No, I don’t think it’s been some big conspiracy by or for Melinda Duckett’s family.]

Also, someone above posted that it is time to bring in some REAL/experienced investigators. [Well, maybe not – can’t find it now; I have such a hard time reading on these comments.]

For those in doubt about the competence and experience on the Haleigh Cummings case, please look up:

– Dominic Pape FDLE Somer Thompson. [Here’s a quickie thumbnail – at the press conference announcing the arrest of JHarrell, the #2 person thanked was Dominic Pape.]

– Now go look at early press conferences for Haleigh and the press conference about the drug trafficking arrests. [Big hint – Dominic Pape.]

– Also, look up Haleigh, FL CART [Child Abduction Response Team], Rick Ryan [of PCSO].

Regarding Jason Joliceur [sp?] – check out what Ron said to his mom when she visited him at Flagler County jail. It didn’t make sense to me the first time I heard it on Nancy Grace, but after reading a transcript of it, it does. [thx to 1chump on W/S for posting that.]

And finally,

Hello Minnie. I’m def not ignoring you – I just get a terrible headache reading the tiny print in the comment section here after a while.
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Some good points LF florida

jaba said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:34 pm Jason, one is legal and one is not. One is far more destructive than the other.

Do we need a starbuck rehab the government can pay for too? How about an intervention on carbohydrates or trans fat.

People have to understand limits.

Drug addicts will kill you for drugs. Don’t know many cases of killing over a snickers bar.:)
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That is why I see Joe as the one.
Doped up, impulsive, and hating Ron because Ron humiliated and embarrassed him.

Misty even lies to her father about implicating Tommy. She did it on the voice stress test she said if Joe is involved then Tommy is too. She claimed he messed with her and that he is a crack head. What more does he need to hear? He has been wishy washy with both of them, wake up Hank do a little tough love for once and tell them to solve their own problems and if they dont tell what they know you are through with them. jmo

heres from the latest post..

DVD 3 seems to tell a different story. I have not watched it yet, but apparently Hank Croslin does a 180, the story now is that Tommy Croslin FAILED the polly.

This once again puts everything back on the table.

You will not want to miss tomorrows broadcast

thanks Simon,
I cant wait to hear it

Tobias, I agree

homespain I read your post from earlier you ladies are amazing overcoming these challenges

hey homespain

after I posted what I said I was thinking respectfully I understand your point as well which is very valid as it always is 🙂

kristie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 pm

heres from the latest post..

DVD 3 seems to tell a different story. I have not watched it yet, but apparently Hank Croslin does a 180, the story now is that Tommy Croslin FAILED the polly.

This once again puts everything back on the table.

You will not want to miss tomorrows broadcast

thanks Simon,
I cant wait to hear it
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Time to get on the roller coaster again. Anybody really surprised?. loL

I think this is when Hank loses it and get put in observation for 12 hrs. These two have almost driven their own parents to suicide. jmo

I just hope that nobody leaves this blogs. It
is just that a blog. Sometimes you have folks
here that you just like to see what their
prespective is. The bloggers are probably just
like me managing a home, raising kids or helping raise grandchildren,rich, poor, that what makes blogging beautiful. Sometimes I don’t mean to ignore folks but phone rings
carpool time etc etc. just don’t take it personal and keep the opinions going

ronfan said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:28 pm

Homespain: Dominick Pape was the one who made the statement concerning the vehicle they got into custody. It was the red rav 4; was that ever confirmed or followed up? He had given one of those typical statements like no comment, (and kept super quiet about it.)
Do u know whatever happened with that, cuz it’s driving me crazy!!
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so sorry ronfan, I’m no help on this one.

jaba said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:23 pm

Vaq @ 651. I agree to a point with what you are saying.

Ronfan:

“I’m ron, google me, bitches”

Is about the best way to describe the overall greatness and specialty that is – ron. This is no mere mortal. This guy is a super hero, with special powers to ‘walk like no man has walked before’, ‘to strut to different places’ at a time of his choosing. All the while us insignificant humans can do is watch in awe of the spirit master. All hail, ‘the ronz’. 🙂
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Yea, they ought to call it Ron’s Trek instead of star Trek in honor of his greatness.

The more I read and listen it is sad sad sad.
Hank is at the end of his rope. I sure hope
he sounds better in tape 3.

Homespain,

Now I see how you have a house in spain. I could have saved enough in the 80’s and 90’s to have a villa next to you paid for.

Jason said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 5:57 pm Jaba, the commonly used phrase is “Drugs and Alcohol”, as though alcohol is not in the drug category.

Alcohol IS a drug, so why the separation? Why infer it is somehow a ‘different animal’?

Legislators drink alcoholic beverages, so it CAN’T be a drug!
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Yep. Alcohol is an incredibly dangerous drug. Kills more people than all illegal drugs combined.

Nice to see someone is educated about these issues. I’m really enjoying your posts Jason and totally agree with them.

kristie said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:38 pm

hey homespain

after I posted what I said I was thinking respectfully I understand your point as well which is very valid as it always is 🙂
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Hey Kristie, very nice of you, Thanks so much.

I have been thinking about ur post about ur injury… boy do I relate. I have not gotten on drugs because it’s never ending, and one needs more and more just to maintain. I do understand how people can get addicted. I’ve avoided that gratefully. It’s pretty life changing to get severely injured. And over time, even things that seem to heal start to act up again. Pain can get real exhausting sometimes. i understand home people can’t take it anymore because they can’t sleep, or do things that they enjoy doing, or work.

I admit it bothers me that these people in this case have such wonderful bodies which they are destroying. Destroying possibility, of a good life and to do good.

I believe they wanted to scare Joe into running and if he did he would be thought of as guilty. Plan didnt work though Joe got a lawyer instead. I wonder if Joe is one of these nervous paranoid types who they thought would run? And possibly get shot? Case over let us out… Seems Chelsea was wispering in ol Nannys ear at one point then turned on her later on NG. JMO

jaba said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 8:05 pm

Homespain,

Now I see how you have a house in spain. I could have saved enough in the 80’s and 90’s to have a villa next to you paid for.
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I bought it before prices skyrocketed. Hey prices are coming down. If this economy keeps tanking you’ll be able to get one soon. I have family there as well so if you ever need help finding a place they will help anyone i recommend. Just really good people. I’m a product of a Norwegian American and a Scottish Spaniard. Our people in Scotland emigrated to Spain awhile back to avoid persecution/ death over religion.

Tobie said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:27 pm I took Misty to mean she tried to call Ron from whenever she woke up (?) at 3:00 A.M. until when he arrived home at 3:25… That’s what I thought in the first place when I heard the tape. That sounded reasonable…
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Also in the earliest interviews Ron stated this too, so I was totally confused when he started stating he knew something was wrong when he pulled up and saw she was awake, because surely he knew she had to be awake to call him in the first place. Just another lie upon lie upon lie.

thewoodlanddark said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

Thanks so much, Jan and Simon and everyone else responsible, for getting these calls out for us to hear.

Most of my posts in the past have been ignored, so I rarely post anymore. I’m still out here, though, hoping and hurting for Haleigh, hanging on every word, waiting for news.

So thanks again, Jan and Simon, for keeping Haleigh’s story alive!
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Hi woodlanddark, what do you think happened to Haleigh?

and I have to ask, what does thewoodlanddark mean?

I downloaded QuickTime and it says it’s there, but still get an error page when I try to listen to the tapes. Is there another way to get them?

Chak,

Its like this: its hard to admit you are a pioneer in a field so valuable to so few people, er, so MANY people. I mis-spoke.

Anyway, sometimes pioneers in the fields of such wonderment and expectation for ‘pure’ greatness. Is humbling. Not to me, or ‘ron’, but I’m sure its humbling to someone.

There’s a saying I’m reminded of from my NFL days, ” you can’t stop him, you can only hope to contain him”. Now that says it all, doesn’t it?

An unstoppable rebel force.

He’s like the “situation” fro jersey shore fame only bigger. He’s the ‘whole damn thing that’s going on, right here, right now’. That’s a name that’s really too long for a nickname but ‘ron’ is a bawler, a brawler, a rule breaker and a rule Maker. Don’t get it twisted any other way. 🙂

Ps…I have to laugh at some of this. The loss of a child is depressing to say the least, but I’m going to take a shot at somebody who failed her for fun. “Deal with it.”

ron said “deal with it,” not me. 🙂

Jaba, thanks. I’m backwards, anyway, so it doesn’t take much to shut me up for a while. I won’t LEAVE or anything, but I’ll shut up. 🙂

Oh, and in my 9:21 post I meant Cawein not Aawein. 😛

For LFlorida, you can make the print bigger by hitting the “Control” key and the “+” key at the same time. You can do this until you get the print as big as you want it. If you get it too big hit the “Control” key and the “-” at the same time to make it smaller.

homespain,

If the OD theory is correct, I hope at least it was peaceful. It’s more appealing than a physical trauma death, anyway. I just hope if Haleigh is dead that she never was aware she was dying. I don’t want her to have died with her heart broken.

Jaba- LOL
I am truly on pin and needles waiting for the book, yet I have to caution you please try to not burn out during your research, I have seen this before, dealing with the pure raw power of this phenomenon is no laughing matter ,so please conserve your energy.

The paradox of which we call “Ron” is a combination we have never seen before , first you have “the walk” , the pimpin ways, and the hairstyle, well I do not envy the daunting task you have before you

I am just ecstatic that someone as skilled as yourself has decided to “break the proverbial glass ceiling” on this subject and thank you for keeping me informed

Thanks again ,Chakra
lol

Hello everyone,

what i heard from tape #1 Hank is trying to find out if misty is covering for ron.Did anyone hear this, they need to get the other one down here! Is misty talking about Joe? I don’t know anything eles, i told them everything i know! Go back and listen its before she says i don’t know anything.

I think the fact that LE made contact with Misty via UC just days after her 18th Birthday says a lot about her previous minor status and why LE didn’t get heavy handed with her until she turned 18. The PCSO, FDLE, FBI are not stupid or inept. Just like PC said they are building a solid case.

Misty is a hardcore survivor at her young age, just look at her parents, she had to be. I have no doubt she’s locked the truth away where no LE can get to it-for now. So justice for Haleigh waits.

WTFlip…Chickens, eggs, Ron, walk, pimpin, strayed a bit off course? What I know is this. TOMMY CROSLIN IS LYING. I don’t have the time to listen to these tapes but hearing he had a knife at his throat… Please. What a crock of BS. Why wouldn’t he just call the cops after Joe left. When the cops caught him with Haleigh then he would be in jail. His story is BS. sOME OF IT IS TRUE OR CLOSE TO TRUE BUT HE IS LEAVING OUT HIS PART. IMHO HE IS LEAVING OUT THE PART WHERE HE DID NOT HAVE A KNIFE AT HIS THROAT. The part in which he was hoping to get some dope or some dope money or something worth money that would ultimately become dope money. I heard complaints about LE not doing any thing about Misty being molested etc. Some have suggested double standards. Welcome to the real world. However that method comes at a high price. If the victim is liked or not liked by LE or is the daughter of a Judge a cop or is a prositute. In these situations there is double standards but those cases are rare the majority are every day people. When double standard Justice is applied it causes a loss of trust in victims. When LE need a person who is not of any of the above they can’t get them to tell because of the lack of trust. That is the price loss of Justice is the price. Until the LE officers involved fully understand that I wouldn’t expect any changes any time soon. Simon do you re-call that guy that killed 3 girls in Calgary, one girl her blood was found in his pick up. He had been previously charged with the kidnapping, rape and brutal attack on a girl who was working third ave. He took her out to Fish Creek park and there he slit her throat and threw her in a ditch. She crawled out on the road and the forest guy almost ran over her mistaking her for a log. They gave him 18 months for that. I know because I was sitting in the court room. I left the one I was in and sat in hers. He had done hard time and only a third to do he was out a month later and took to killing, that is the price that is payed by society when LE carries out selective Policing.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families

Didn’t read all of these posts so forgive me if this has been said.
Hope can’t appeal because she use the no contest plea. She can file for a reduced sentence but only has a short time to do so.
Her sentence was far to harsh IMO. Boot Camp is just prison but worse (I worked for Florida DOC for a few years). As for Ron and Misty… I have no real opinion just a bunch of thoughts and maybe’s just like everyone else.

hey yall

I found this transcript on cnn look what it said..

WILLIAM “COBRA” STOUBS, BOUNTY HUNTER: Ron was convinced now, beyond any question of doubt, that she was not there. She wasn`t home, bro. She was out (EXPLETIVE DELETED) very possibly with (EXPLETIVE DELETED) again.

If ron said without a doubt misty was not home and jr said he saw man with squeky shoes and the couch was bouncin? ron told tommy to check on misty around 10. wonder if tommy did somethin to haleigh?

that would explain the back door unlocked

that would explain misty not answering phone-she didnt want ron to think she was out and was asleep

maybe tommy had joe help him hide the body?

where was joe and tommy that night?

joe was stayin with timmy thats why they know somethin

if misty wasnt home that would explain steve brown stating she will prob get child endangerment charges (my guess for leavin the kids by themselves)