Todays data dump was so large that it is hard to deal with, So far I have managed to look at a fraction of it. It totals somewhere close to 5 hours of video. There is enough information to keep the press busy for weeks. I picked just one tape, somewhere around 30 minutes in length, and it was most revealing. A Jail visit to Tommy Croslin on Feb 2. The first segment is Tommy talking to his father, the second half is Lindsey Croslin and one of their children.
In almost 30 minutes of tape Haleigh Cummings gets no mention, but other people do. Hank Croslin whips on Misty (his daughter) accusing her of being a liar. The press also was a topic mentioned. In an early part of the conversation between Tommy and Hank there is this exchange:
TC: Lindsay wrote me a letter saying me that Art Harris was sticking up for me.
HC: I don’t know I ain’t talked to Art Harris about you.
The more amusing interchange was later in the tape, Tommy is talking to his wife Lindsey:
TC: Keep in touch with them lawyers.
LC: I do. Steven Brown ,I haven’t talked to him today, but talked to him yesterday.
TC: What did he say when you talked to him?
LC: Oh he was just giving me that weird guys number.
TC: Who?
L. The guy that , he’s some bail bondsman that wants to bail you out. His name is Leonard Padilla
TC:. Did Steven Brown gave you his number?
LC:Â Oh No, Art Harris did I mean. He bailed out Casey Anthony when her bail was a million dollars to get her out.
TC: I know, what was Brown saying about it? Did they have the lawyer call?
LC: Um yeah he called him but he never called me back. He said he thought it was kind of weird that he would even want to do it. He thinks there are strings attached. I don’t know.
TC: Oh well it would get me out of here for a minute.
Is this a prime example of the press creating the news?
Of course we only have the video tapes, but it certainly seems as if a reporter is inserting himself into the case (again).
In thirty minutes of video Haleigh Cummings does not get one mention, but Art Harris manages three. It makes you wonder.
We will be running a special radio show at 1pm eastern tomorrow and by then we should have had an opportunity to look at some of the other videos. Although the program is billed as a one-on-one between TJ Hart and myself, a phone call that I received today might result in there being another guest.
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TC: What did he say when you talked to him?
LC: Oh he was just giving me that weird guys number.
TC: Who?
L. The guy that , he’s some bail bondsman that wants to bail you out. His name is Leonard Padilla
LOL.
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eastern time simon?
its usually been central hasn’t it?
WELL THEY HAVE HEARD OF CASEY
Art Harris has never fairly reported on this case, IMO. If you report on a case, you do not get paid by one “side” as a media consultant. Again, that’s my opinion. I always thought reporters were supposed to be unbiased and report the news without slanting it one way or another, just the facts as they are. Either be a media consultant, or a reporter. Not both. Very unethical, IMO. Yet there is Mr. Harris still appearing on Nancy Grace as a “reporter”.
And now we hear that Art is calling the Croslins and inserting himself FURTHER into this sad case of HaLeigh. I find this all just unreal. I find myself wondering – WHY? What is he getting out of it?
As for the lack of mention of HaLeigh’s name, we have to remember the tapes have parts redacted. We aren’t hearing everything. It’s possible there are mentions of her and they were edited out.
Can’t wait to hear the new audios!
Simon, I love you and TJ. I hope you’ll consider dumping Levi on Sundays. He is all over Facebook and Twitter posting disgusting things about innocent family members. He also asks other posters for case details so I’m not sure he can add anything that any other poster couldn’t on HaLeigh’s case. Less than most it seems since he asks some pretty stupid questions and gets information from a couple of the biggest trolls on the internet.
Please don’t tell me if I don’t want to hear it, turn if off. I want to hear you and TJ and respect you both as well as Denny and Jan on your Sunday show. Levi has thrown his lot in with Art rather than TJ, the only really respected reporter left on this case.
Please share the tapes with us soon!
Art has done the same thing in another case and gotten a lot of people in hot water over his antics.
http://www.zimbio.com/Anna+Nicole+Smith/articles/RDPGjWptsYO/Trust+EMMY+AWARD+WINNING+Journalist+Art+Harris
I agree with the request to dump Levi and glad to hear someone else say it first. I don’t enjoy him at all. I can predict exactly what he’ll have to say…same mantra as always…it’s basically, “I’m smarter than you and I know Ron & Misty are scum and they did it and you are an idiot for thinking any other possibility exists.” He doesn’t say it like that, but he may as well. Nothing interesting or new there! There are enough people out there stirring up hatred and making the Cummings family possible targets of violence, imo.
The ONLY reporters who have to worry about not including their personal feelings into what they report are members of the Associated Press. There are a lot of “reporters” who do not nor apparently care not to be a member of the AP. Nancy, Art, and many many others still make a FINE living at reporting without being held to the AP’s high standards.
BTW…there’s an old saying about the press that I wonder if people are forgetting.
There’s NO bad press. If you’re in favor or against a person, to bring attention to them either way is publicity. Another fine saying….
Whether positive or negative…it’s all free publicity. So if you’re posting a reporter’s name in your Bashings….you’re helping to support them. LOL!!! Even if you don’t agree with them, another might want to look them up to see if they are in agreement with the reporter.
Jessica M. Powers was found by Marion and Putnam County sheriff’s authorities at the home of her 21-year-old boyfriend, Stephen Cassidy, at 213 Acacia Drive in Putnam County.
The 17-year-old girl was found behind a false wall near the fireplace sometime after 7 p.m. after the young man’s father told officials where they could find her, authorities said.
Link from SKY 973 webpage: Ocklawaha Girl Found Safe in Putnam Co.
You think they got the idea from this Haleigh case (about false wall) or is it possible that they know someone who knows someone & how to do it?
Charles Jones Jr to be on L Page’s show tonight!!1 :o….Even if he’s not reputable…I’ve just gotta hear what he has to say…..also an Aja Johnson discussion. I’ve been following that case also and am inteested to hear what they discuss in relation to it also. Not that it’s Gospel, just another take on the sitch.
good morning hollys and everyone,
ty for the heads up on charles jones jr on levi’s show.
there are stories on the somer thompson case
Person of Interest in Somer Thompson Case
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6344095.php
HGm @ 4:13 and 4:13:
There is no false wall involved in Haleigh’s case so far.
Maybe they read the newspaper or watched TV back in Sept 09 when this story was reported:
“A boy missing for nearly two years was found hidden behind a wall inside his grandmother’s house, and police arrested his mother and grandmother in connection with his disappearance.
Richard Chekevdia, who turns 7 on Sept. 14, was found Friday with his mother, Shannon Wilfong, inside a small room hidden behind a wall. The home in downstate Illinois’ Franklin County contained several hiding spots, authorities said.”
Source:
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/sep/06/health/chi-tc-nw-boy-found-0905-0906sep06
Re: “The ONLY reporters who have to worry about not including their personal feelings into what they report are members of the Associated Press.”
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I disagree. A “reporter” reports the facts. For example, upon viewing a play, a reporter will report that it was 2 hours long, with 2 intermissions, had 12 actors and 4 set changes.
When that “reporter” adds that the acting was superb, he becomes a “critic.”
Words have meanings for a purpose. So we all know what we’re talking about.
Commentator:
1. a person who discusses news, sports events, weather, or the like, as on television or radio.
2. a person who makes commentaries.
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Commentary
1. a series of comments, explanations, or annotations: news followed by a commentary.
2. an explanatory essay or treatise: a commentary on a play; Blackstone’s commentaries on law.
3. anything serving to illustrate a point, prompt a realization, or exemplify, esp. in the case of something unfortunate: The dropout rate is a sad commentary on our school system.
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Op-ed
In a newspaper there is a page called the Editors page or the ed page. The opinions on this page are generally in line with those of the editor. Many papers have an Op(posite) Ed(itor or itorial). This is also an opinion page (non fact based)
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And then there’s just plain “gossip” and I think we all know what that is.
Oh, the actual quote is “There is no such thing as bad publicity.”
I don’t know who said it first. Perhaps this guy. Even if not, I do like his version:
“There is no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary.” (Brendan Behan, Irish dramatist)
HGM:
I am looking forward to the Levi Page Show, tonight. I don’t know if we can believe the guy about Ronald pulling a gun on him, or not. It will be interesting to hear what he has to say.
I hope he will say something about that person of interest being arrested in the Somer Thompson case. He was arrested on possession of child porn and named a person of interest in the Somer case.
J @ 1:46 am You said, “I always thought reporters were supposed to be unbiased and report the news without slanting it one way or another, just the facts as they are.” You are right.
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HGm said, ” Nancy, Art, and many many others still make a FINE living at reporting without being held to the AP’s high standards.”
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Except they are NOT “reporting.” Those people sometimes include a few actual items of news that qualify as “reporting” (although they are usually very late in reporting them). What they are making a living on for the most part is salacious rumor-mongering and the sensationalization of tragedies of others.
Interesting that Casey Anthony got a mention in the tape. Is that where they got the idea to pretend that Haleigh was abducted instead of admitting what may really have happened. hmmm…
Karon Cox: I’ve always respected you even though we sometimes disagree. So I want to ask you why you think it will be interesting to hear what CJ has to say? Especially since you already know that you won’t be able to (or shouldn’t) believe what he says? Why is this interesting?
People like CJ can say anything they want against anyone and to promote him/herself. I suppose it will be “interesting” for folks who already hate R with every ounce of their being because it will provide more fodder for their hatred and gossip. But that’s all it’s going to be. Gossip. With no one to refute it.
Why is it “interesting” to you?
So ONLY Ron haters can listen to Levi’s show and find it interesting? THat’s pretty closed minded.
My comments before about “reporters” is that sometimes people use that title or viewers/readers/listeners automatically think that they are one and think that they are following certain standards, but it’s not always true. Doesn’t mean it isn’t sometimes interesting. I think that anyone who wants to build or keep a decent rep will try to only offer the facts, then sometimes people are interested in a commentator’s opinion on the topic. There should be nothing wrong with that either. I just was pointing out there was/is a difference.
BTW, Thanks for finding that quote….LOL!!! True, right?
I haven’t yet read the replies to my other post on the other thread, so maybe I’ll go check and see if that’s where this hostility is eminating from.
Actually, I was asking Karon, not you, HGm.
As far as the topics of reporting and commenting, I did not see you point a difference. Hence my post – pointing out the difference.
And I do not know which/what “hostility” you are referring to. As far as my personal expectations of what CJ might say obviously they are based on what we’ve already heard from him – that’s why I was asking Karon for HER opinion.
HGm @ 9:24 am You said, “So ONLY Ron haters can listen to Levi’s show and find it interesting? THat’s pretty closed minded.”
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That is NOT what I said. I was talking about the “value” of hearing from CJ. Not about a particular radio show.
Reading and comprehension are two different words. When they are put together as “reading comprehension” the ability to do the first does not guarantee the ability to do the second.
If you are going to read my posts please make an effort to comprehend them (correctly).
LOL! There you go again…soon you’ll insist that I’m attacking you and…..whatever…we’ll ALL see in the long run who did what & when….one day.
Holly’s Gmom said:4:24 am Charles Jones Jr to be on L Page’s show tonight!!1 :o….Even if he’s not reputable…I’ve just gotta hear what he has to say…..also an Aja Johnson discussion. I’ve been following that case also and am INTERESTED to hear what they discuss in relation to it also. Not that it’s Gospel, just another take on the sitch.
m2c♥ said,in February 12th, 2010 at 8:56 am Karon Cox:
I suppose it will be “interesting” for folks who already hate R with every ounce of their being because it will provide more fodder for their hatred and gossip. But that’s all it’s going to be. Gossip. With no one to refute it.
Why is it “interesting” to you?
THat isn’t an attack on what I said? Riiiigghhtt.
HGm – Sorry to disappoint but I was not referring to your post at all (nevermind attacking it! LOL!). I wasn’t even thinking about you or your post when I ADDRESSED KARON with a specific question about her comment.
If you READ Karon’s post she said, “It will be interesting to hear what he has to say.”
So I asked her why she thought that.
She also said, “I don’t know if we can believe the guy about Ronald …”
Which is why I also said, “Especially since you already know that you won’t be able to (or shouldn’t) believe what he says?”
Nothing about my post TO KARON has anything to do with YOU!
I think it will be interesting to see what Charles JOnes has to say. There are many sides to a story and I personally would like to hear his side.I really could not say he is an honest person, but then again I have never met him and the only thing about him that I know is he and Ronald were involved in a case of road rage. I do not hate Ron, Misty or Crystal. I pray for them all.
I like Levi Page and any insight to this case he has to offer. I am still open – minded and the more info that can shed some light on this the better.
Also, I never thought of Karon as what I call a “Ron hater.” And I thought YOU changed your mind about that some weeks ago. So I would not have included you in that group either.
Was wrong about that? Maybe so considering your response. Otherwise, I’m really confused how you could have assumed what you did – unless you’re looking for trouble that just ain’t there.
Oh, and HGm – I did NOT miss this latest threat against me. “HollysGmom said,in February 12th, 2010 at 10:03 am: “. . .we’ll ALL see in the long run who did what & when….one day.”
It is REALLY NOT a good idea to threaten me.
But at least it serves as a warning to others that you are a very very dangerous person to cross.
good morning looking for justice, i just sent you a p.m. about messing up what you were trying to say yesterday.
Lord, don’t tell me it’s going to be another day of blogger bashing. It is one thing to defend your postion and views….quite another to personally attack other bloggers, belittle and berate people because they don’t think the same way you do. I believe that’s the same position Hitler took. Get over yourselves and quit bashing everyone. Respect everyone’s opinion. You don’t have to agree with it but you DO have to deal with it!
As far as Ron “bashing” goes…we have JUST as much a right to speak our opinion of Ron as you do! The last two days I’ve seen nothing but personal attacks from the “Ron defender” crowd and it needs to stop!
If Ron had left loaded guns laying around the house and Haleigh had shot and killed herself would you defend him? Wouldn’t he be charged with child endangerment at the very least?
WELL, his lifestyle, having drugs around, dealing drugs, hanging out with druggies, having a druggie babysit and care for his children, constantly fighting with people, reckless driving, foul mouthed talk in front of the kids, domestic violence, putting a gun in his mouth in front of the kids, the kids seeing nothing but thieving, dealing and criminal behavior…..is THAT not child endangerment? It is VERY possible and actually probable that Ron’s behaviors caused Haleigh to go missing whether it be leaving them in the care of a hungover drug addict who left them alone or was passed out when someone took Haleigh, a revenge abduction over drug deals gone bad, or a drug overdose and cover-up….it all goes back to Ron and the kind of father he was and still is.
Now please note that I managed to post my thoughts WITHOUT personally attacking anyone or bashing anyone. Try it….you might like it and the rest of us would certainly appreciate it!
Hi, looking for justice! I understand that but in this particular case I can’t imagine that there will be anyone who can refute whatever CJ cares to say. You know what I mean? And we already know pretty much how he feels about R! lol!
IMO IF I listen to it, I will have sacks of salt (rather than a grain) with me! I also have boxes with me when I listen to everyone involved in this case.
Excuse me, JB, but are you blaming me and my post to Karon for what happened this morning?
I surely do hope not.
And I also hope you are not accusing me of “defending” R. I do think some people have gone light years beyond being fair or reasonable – especially in denying him any pain or grief he may feel and when they make up stuff to accuse him of beyond what we can even reasonably theorize about – while at the same time ignoring or excusing the other parent and family. But to me that is NOT defending. That is asking for some considered and fair reasoning. Unfortunately, it seems to be too much to ask of some.
But you are right. It’s a blog and people can say what they want. That includes me.
hgm,
thank you for the info on the levi page show. i too, hope to hear info on aja. i was so surprised that the sheriff did not realize we do not have a national amber alert. he seemed very upset about that. i think in the future the amber allert will go national.
i see that there is a couple of new articles today about the search for aja. i have to read them yet.
for the record, i do not hate anyone we are following in the haleigh cummings case. i will never write to any of them, but, i wish it was alright to write letters about how they are so young with their whole lives ahead of them still. i hope they make the most of that. but, i do not really know them, so it would be wrong. who the heck do i think i am, if i did that?
boy, do i wish bloggers would just disagree and not characterize others feelings and opinions on the case as right or wrong. i do wish facts and theories continue to be debated.
m2c, you do know you are talking to adults? i think most of us will take into consideration it is a one sided version. just like we realize that ronald’s version is his and crystal’s version is hers and so on.
Perhaps I need to take a break from this place….Yesterday I watched “ME” make heartless, snide and hurtful comments to Tobias about the loss of her children….it was an endless barrage of personal attacks. Today I come in here and start reading to see “ME” poking fun at HollysGmom and making fun of her about the Haleigh sighting which carried over into this article. It is so vicious and has NOTHING to do with this case.
This USED to be a place where you could DISCUSS the case and even debate the different theories and views. Now I spend all my time defending other bloggers who are under attack. The fights and squabbles. It gets old fast and the hateful comments from SOME are relentless. There are a COUPLE of people on this blog that are going to run everyone else off.
M2C – no one is excusing Crystal or her behavior but Haleigh was NOT in her custody when she went missing. She was in Ron’s custody. That makes RON responsible….not Crystal. Was and is Crystal a lousy excuse for a mother? YES! But this happened on Ron’s watch, in his house, with his druggie girl friend…..so WHY would our comments be directed toward Crystal? That makes NO sense. That doesn’t mean we think Crystal is mother of the year but the scene of the crime is at RON’S HOUSE, not Crystals so THAT is where we are focused. I don’t comment about a lot of the people in this case because they aren’t directly involved as far as I can tell. Doesn’t mean I approve of their lifestyles, of how they raised their children or anything else about them….it just means they really aren’t key to this case as best I can tell. RON AND MISTY ARE!
hurry up with the tapes simon, what am I paying you for? ..oh wait, I’m not paying you..
nevermind.
TC: Oh well it would get me out of here for a minute.
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Hey regarding the above exchange between Tommy and his wife, let’s remember it only takes a minute to work on a new baby!
All this because I asked Karon something and wanted to talk with HER about it. But someone else butted in, assumed it was aimed at her – which it was NOT – and assumed it was a negative thing – which it was NOT – and who proceeded to attack me. Really nonsense. Just nasty nonsense. “Fighters” looking for a fight and when there is none, they make one. But, sadly, I’ve come to have to expect that from certain people here.
And, JB, there ARE people here who are turning a blind eye- and have been for months – to C.
Your posts – if they were aimed at me today – are totally off the mark in relation to what I posted today or any time recently that I know of. Sorry. Not gonna make me the “bad guy” today. Won’t work.
Oh, and JB, who do you think was under attack today besides me? NO ONE! Certainly NOT by me.
msp @ 11:06 – If you are going to read the posts that people address to OTHER PEOPLE do not assume they are addressed TO YOU! I wasn’t talking to you today AT ALL until NOW. However your comment to me does make me wonder if everyone here is an adult or not. YOU raised the doubt. I did not.
I came here to read about any possible new info involving the case(s).
Sad to see more conflict between posters.
I personally really do not see any threats being made. Might just be me?
One thing for everyone to remember is that no matter what any one of us “think” about anything to do with this case, this case has yet to be solved. I wholeheartedly believe that LE WILL solve this case.
I also do not see anyone directly attacking the family members here, rather that I see people posting possible theories and questioning the actions, behaviors etc… of those close to the case.
Yet, I keep seeing people becoming so defensive that it turns the boards sour to discussing anything else but.
Can we discuss the case or not?
If people are so defensive towards other people’s ideas or theories then why participate at all when you know that others are going to disagree with you?
Most of us are on the outside looking in and we are finding out information regarding the case(s) as the info is released to the public. Then we’re trying to piece the information together in an effort to make sense of it.
What is that saying? If you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen? Yeah, that and, Pi$$ or get of the pot?
There is also pi$$ and then get off the pot too, I suppose.
…Just saying.
Besides, I’d give credibility to the people who are so defensive of the family members if it were that the defensiveness were consistant across the board and included ALL family members but, it appears that is just not the case.
As for posters “allegedly” turning a blind eye to C well that might be so, it isn’t so for me, but, I wonder too if those who believe others are turning a blind eye on C aren’t actually silently admitting to turning a blind eye on R, M, T or others their ownself?
Anyhoo.
No one has wondered who Steven Brown is?
Tuff Stuff:
You said: “I personally really do not see any threats being made.”
You don’t know what happened in the past. It was directed at me as other threats have been and she knew I’d know it.
You said: “If people are so defensive towards other people’s ideas or theories then why participate at all when you know that others are going to disagree with you?”
I agree and I get blasted for asking a question of a specific person.
You said, “I’d give credibility to the people who are so defensive of the family members if it were that the defensiveness were consistant across the board and included ALL family members.”
I HAVE BEEN. Some of us have begged for some open-mindedness and fairness for a long long time. Only in the face of relentless R bashing do we find ourselves forced into a position of having to say, “Wait a minute. Isn’t that true of C’s side, too?” Or, “Wait a minute, where did THAT come from?” (As in totally unfounded). I have NEVER “excused” R and M for anything at all and still include them in the list of people possibly DIRECTLY responsible for what happened to Haleigh.
And you said: “. . .I wonder too if those who believe others are turning a blind eye on C aren’t actually silently admitting to turning a blind eye on R, M, T or others their ownself?” NOT ME.
mystery2you said,in February 12th, 2010 at 11:48 am No one has wondered who Steven Brown is?
I do. Does anyone have a clue as to who this person is?
Yes I would like to discuss the case – even ask a specific individual a question – without someone butting in and making up chit to put the attention on themselves AGAIN!
Can we get back to the case please now. This is insanity and I did NOT start it.
m2c.
Understood.
Hollys Gmom said,
in February 12th, 2010 at 4:13 am
You think they got the idea from this Haleigh case (about false wall) or is it possible that they know someone who knows someone & how to do it?
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no false walls in a mobile home.
m2c, the butting in part, that’s not really fair or necessary now is it? This is an open board and if the person possibly misunderstood who or what or where your comments were being directed well that’s possible and forgivable also right?
m2c do you have any idea who this Steve Brown guy is?
I agree with the other about Levi.All he does is spread rumors that is passed on to him by the same people that have been spreading rumors for almost a year.
TJ has some of the tapes up on his news site but you have to download Power DVD 5 to view them.
lets please get back on topic for this thread. i glanced at the previous thread and saw it got ugly. i am agreeing with all above here, asking us to lets get back the focus on haleigh’s case.
i really am looking forward to hearing the info and their points of views simon and tj are going to be sharing with us all today.
everyone have a wonderful day! ms.p.
Off Topic: Saw they have an arrest of a person of interest in the Sommer Thompson case. Used to live in her neighborhood…had child porn on his computer….he hasn’t been charged with her murder yet. I pray if he is guilty LE has some evidence that will convict him (DNA, fingerprints, evidence on his computer,etc). Nice to see some headway in one of these missing children cases anyway. Never have heard any updates on the Nevaeh Buchanan case. Hasani Campbell either. So sad.
On Topic: I don’t think we’re going to get anything helpful out of these phone call videos. They all know they are being recorded. They’re playing to the cameras and being careful what they say. Only thing their conversations do is make us all nuts trying to find clues, tips, leads, etc., and I don’t think we’ll find anything. Anything that could be helpful will be redacted. These calls are worthless.
JB I wholeheartedly agree with your entire post.
Tuff – not sure which one but thanks! LOL
I just hope and pray that LE is working on something, has something we don’t know about and is close to finding Haeligh. This waiting is awful. This case just keeps dragging on and on and getting more and more bizarre!
m2c♥ said,in February 12th, 2010 at 10:39 am Oh, and HGm – I did NOT miss this latest threat against me. “HollysGmom said,in February 12th, 2010 at 10:03 am: “. . .we’ll ALL see in the long run who did what & when….one day.”
It is REALLY NOT a good idea to threaten me.
But at least it serves as a warning to others that you are a very very dangerous person to cross.
M2C;
I was talking about Ron, Misty, & Crystal, TC or whomever is behind Haleigh’s disappearance…Geeezzz
I have a feeling that Hank Sr. would know his daughter well enough to know if she is lying. Cant wait to hear his views on Misty and why she wont tell him what happened. I remember how angry Misty when Hank mentioned that Tommy has kids and now he is in jail. She said “SO AM I”, at first I thought it was sibling rivalry but now I am not so sure. Could she be worried that if everything gets out that her parents will abandon her? No more food money for Misty. jmo
Vaquera said,in February 12th, 2010 at 11:57 am
good morning vaquera, thank you for the information. (although that sounds intimidating to download power dvd 5!)
i was wondering if you could share with us what you know is the known facts about haleigh’s last weekend before she went missing. was she at the mh? i always wondered if she went somewhere public?
i know it is probably not relevant, but, i also wonder if the mobile home was occupied that weekend. you know, maybe they all went to family or friends and the mobile home was empty. i know that probably does not mean anything, just not sure.
well if you can share,
thank you in advance, ms.p.
JB I meant your post at 12:02. My apologiez for not stating which one.
I also agree that the waiting is awful. I cannot imagine what the family members are going through. It breaks my heart just to think about it.
BROWN, STEVEN K.
License Number Expires Status
C 8400081 11/13/2010 LICENSE ISSUED
Private Investigator
Millennial Investigative Agency
Morning Tobias. I can’t figure out what Misty’s deal is. Not sure if it is the age thing…immaturity and selfishness….if the years of drugs have left her unable to deal with reality….or if she is really just that dumb that she doesn’t see anything wrong with what she did and thinks the world owes her everything on a silver platter. Has she ever held a job? Had to work for a paycheck? Had to pay bills? Be responsible? I doubt it! She’s still in that child stage where she expects everyone to take care of her and provide for her. It’s ALL about her! I say it’s time for a little tough love with Ms. Misty but it’ll probably never happen. The best thing her folks could do is to tell her she was wrong for what she did. They will do their best to come see her and put money in her account….BUT, as much as they love her, she got herself into this mess and she needs to suck it up, cooperate with LE, tell them anything she knows and get her act together!
Tuff Stuff: The post in question is mine at 8:56 am. If you can suggest any other way I could have been more specific as to who it was directed to (and please note that I referenced the wording in that person’s post @ 6:51am), please let me know. I would surely like to know how to avoid any “confusion” in future.
And, I’m sorry but I do not know who Steve Brown is.
That’s interesting Mystery. So they are in contact with a PI and may have even possibly hired him?
I wonder what his personal thoughts are about this case?
http://www.stevenkbrown.com/home.html
I posted this a couple of times before but have not seen anyone comment on it. What do you (meaning anyone) make of the fact that the investigators on Haleigh’s disappearance have not even talked to M yet? Below is an excerpt from an article two days ago. I had been hoping that interviews or negotiations or something had been going on but it’s been weeks since the arrests and apparently NOTHING has happened with M and LE as far as Haleigh is concerned.
“She definitely holds some key information that she hasn’t come forward on,” Lt. Greenwood said. “With the approval of her attorney, we will talk to her if we are afforded the opportunity to.”
http://www.cfnews13.com/Business/LocalBusinessHeadlines/2010/2/10/haleigh_cummings_missing_one_year.html
Tuff: Maybe Simon and Jan should contact him for next show to find out those thoughts…
JB, I think they are trying to get her to talk.
It would be in their best interest also, they are already in enough trouble themselves and the public isnt looking at them favorably right now. But what was that tirade Misty had on the last visit? Not helping herself by telling people to kiss her a@@.jmo
Mystery,
Makes ya wonder if that isn’t the possible guest that Simon mnetioned that may be on the show?
Tobias,
It’s amazing also that Misty refuses to acknowledge that her Parents may also end up in prison themselves and possibly doing time for crimes they have been charged with. Blows me away really.
Possibly! I sure would like to hear another perspective. Looks like this guy has some credentials too. Have you gone to his website?Whaddaya say Simon?!
Not sure where to look for the website. I’ll try to find it though. Might take me a while. LOL!
I posted it above. Here it is again.
http://www.stevenkbrown.com/home.html
🙂
The power of Google!!
I found it! Yea the man sounds as if he has extensive background with the FBI also. Right on!
JB – You said, “I don’t think we’re going to get anything helpful out of these phone call videos. They all know they are being recorded. They’re playing to the cameras and being careful what they say. Only thing their conversations do is make us all nuts trying to find clues, tips, leads, etc., and I don’t think we’ll find anything. Anything that could be helpful will be redacted. These calls are worthless.”
I agree. I don’t know of anything new of substance to discuss. Except what I referenced in my post at 12:23 today. I had really been hoping that LE would do some wheeling and dealing to get the truth out of M (if there is any truth to be had). But it sounds like her lawyer is keeping LE away – the LE that is investigating Haleigh’s disappearance.
Does that mean the lawyer thinks he can get M off or get a light penalty for her current drug charges? IDK what’s going on. Or what is NOT going on.
Everyone knows the Croslins did a bad job raising Misty but maybe (by her recent actions)
she fought them the entire time she was growing up. It was said in the Dana report that LC would send her to school and she would leave and hide somewhere. Her Dad said in the first jail video that if you werent trying to act so grown up…. And she says one time when “I get out I am never leaving my parents again”. Dana even reported that at 14 she took off to New Jersey and they had to go find her.
Sure sounds like a handfull to me.jmo
I bet after she goes to court and it all sinks in real good how many years she will be facing, she will talk to get a deal. Right now she hasnt seen the evidence they have on her for the drug deals. I wonder if her lawyer has seen those tapes yet. Does any one know if he would? jmo
M2C – Ron did mention “they get her out with a pack of cigs every day”….so SOMEONE is talking to her and I was assuming it is LE….bringing her smokes and trying to get her to talk….but who knows what the truth is. I think Tommy will crack before Misty does. The fact that he wasn’t forthcoming about being at the MH that night until he was in trouble bothers me. Or was he really ever there? He could have said that to appease LE. I just wish these people would tell the truth…whatever it is…and quit playing games.
I certainly don’t think LP will have any better luck getting any of these people to talk. If he bails them out they’ll just tell him something to keep him happy and it probably won’t be anywhere close to being the truth. Not sure WHY all these people are lying about everything. Are they ALL in on this? Covering for one another? Covering for other crimes not related to Haleigh? WHY SO MANY LIES?
Tobias – yeah, I don’t think reality and Misty are very well acquainted. She still thinks someone will bail her out and that will be the end of it. I really don’t think she has any idea that she will do serious time for the drug charges. She is somehow convinced it will all just go away if someone gets her out. What will she do when/if her folks go to prison too? Like I said before, the jail/prison is going to have to name an entire wing of their facility after the Croslins before this is all over!
Unless they have evidence it would just be like pointing a finger at someone. And then that someone could point right back at them.
None of them want to be the one it gets pinned on. jmo
I wonder if LE has ever polled each of the family members and asked them what THEY think happened that night. That could be a good way to get them to talk. There might be some truth in the theory they provide. In that way they aren’t ratting anyone out but they could slip a clue or hint into their theory as they are telling LE. Just an idea anyway. AND, if several of the family/friends had the same theory, it might help guide LE in a direction to go in. Again, just a thought and only my opinion.
JB, Good thought but they are known for throwing people under the bus to save themselves. The Croslins especially. jmo
I keep thinking of things that Misty went on about in the stress test. The pee blanket was a real intense thing for her, did you notice her expressions when she talked about it(rambled on and on) She even states it happened while she was gone for the weekend, why add that? Just curious thinking on my part.
Its almost like she has to explain why she was doing laundry. jmo
Right Tobias, and then come to find out there was no laudry soap and dirty clothes were found in the dryer also correct? Was the blanket of Haleigh’s that Misty claimed to have washed found and taken in as evidence? I’ve always wondered about that.
Tobias, JB and Tuff Stuff, I agree with all of you . TJ Ward said on the Levi page show that the peed blanket plays a big part in this. He also said he could analyze their jail conversations. I hope he would and give us his opinions of what info he gets from them.
Some of these posts are starting to read like family members of the cummings or croslins. I know none of you are clan, but can we continue to be a bit more objective in our bloggings?
Thanks.
Bonanza – not sure what you’re telling us to do. Did I miss something? What did we do now?
Ithink he means all the attacks recently among some of the bloggers. If I am wrong I am sorry. jmo
Tobias…Oh…I wasn’t sure how we were or weren’t being objective or how we were sounding like “clan”….I guess I’m a little lost.
Hey guy’s.can’t stay long..going to get Dakota,(grandson)anything new?
JB.Agree! agree with ya!
AH is 2 faced as hello! Said he wasn’t trying to bond her or whatever but Hank’s right.he’s just after a story!
CathyJo – Nope…nothing new that I know of….just a lot of nonsense chatter on the jail call videos.
CathyJo…AH looks like a fool on NG every night. He never says anything worth hearing and most of his responses have incorrect information in them it isn’t even funny. He brings NOTHING to the table and I can’t even figure out why NG has him on her show. He’s a news prostitute….he’ll sell himself to get a story….
In regard to those who have pointed out “Haleigh did not disappear on Crystal’s watch” implying that she was a much better parent. Not so, equally as bad, IMO. And I did not see any emotion or any kind of tears from her about her missing child. Analogy of that is “If a person only drives a car two miles per month, they are much less apt to have an auto accident than the person who drives 50 miles daily or 100 mi. per day.” When this case surfaced, I was quite sure that Crystal’s family were the most likely to have removed Haleigh from the home. Now, I have no idea what happened to Haleigh. Crystal had the back child support payments hovering over her daily, plus, IMO, she seemed not to care about these children. If she had, she would have stayed near them, helped with them and been able to have a large impact upon their lives. IMO, her drugs are more important than the kids, e.g. Chloe born with drugs in system, actually a crime, IMO to bring a child into the world in terrific pain and often with various mental and physical disabilities. Crystal’s body language and demeanor gave off a very negative (“I don’t give a d–n” attitude IMO.”) The children would have very easily gone any place with her side of the family without a fuss. Haleigh, I understand, was a fiesty little girl. IMO, neither parent should have these children but I do believe that Ron, Teresa and GGMa Sykes loves these children. e.g. when you are 65 as is GGma, it is very wearing to try raising two little ones. Not many seniors would want this job.
This small town police dept. has had the help of the FBI. Certainly, they have a difficult job in Satsuma – trying to interview people which are just about as truthful and easy to talk to as your nearest lamp post.
TY JB,I haven’t listened and i can imagine it isn’t much!
JB,I cannot even figure why the hello n/g fool’s with him.But maybe she agree’s with him….she just don’t care or something.but that man would make a preacher curse!
Aw now JB you know he has the exclusives!! LMAO!!!
An orange fool.lol him and his tanning!
I’d like to smack some hair ON his head!
Jennalu – I for one have never thought Crystal was a good mom. The only point I’m making is my focus is on Ron and Misty because THAT is who Haleigh was living with and she disappeared from Ron’s house. It has nothing to do with whether Crystal or Ron is the better parent. I just don’t have the energy to pick apart Crystal’s life, her family, her home life, her lifestyle, etc., because it doesn’t appear to have anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance that night.
I discuss Ron and Misty (and complain about them) because THEY were responsible for Haleigh the night she disappeared. If Haleigh had been living with Crystal when she disappeared I’d be hammering away at her and her family and I would really care less about Ron and Misty but that isn’t the case.
I can’t speak for anyone else but I believe Crystal and Ron are equally some of the worst parents I’ve seen.
Cathy – yeah, AH could have saved himself some money and just bought some cheap orange markers and got the same ghastly results! He looks ridiculous!
Right JB,Exactly….Misty was responsible for Haleigh that night,and she was with her when she went missing,so i dunno why she say’s she wants them to just leave her alone……!
Cathy – only exclusive AH has is an exclusively round orange bald head! LOL
ROFL@JB! God he’s pathetic! biggest liar ever…when he dies they’ll make lye soap out of him too cause all he does is lie.imo
LMBO!!yeah……No wonder he’s bald…he can’t have much oxygen in his brain so maybe he shaved it to get more air to this brain!
I do not understand the attacks on AH. I think we can all appreciate the hard work and efforts of all of those who are willing to continue covering this story since not many are.
People attacked Geraldo for the line of questioning he gave to Ron.
Was Geraldo entirely wrong?
I mean Ron is sitting in jail right now for dealings with drugs.
I give credit to all those who are willing to continue following this story. Thank you very much too!
I wonder to myself if other cases might be solved more swiftly if they were given the amount of coverage as this case has?
This case is complex. No doubt about it. Look at everything LE has to deal with here.
The last thing I ever want to read about in the news links is how those covering the story attack each other. It’s like bloggers syndrome gone wild and spreading.
jmvho
Gotta go get Dakota…bbs!! Sorry to leave on ya!!
Hard work????? LoL You’re joking? LoL
IMO If he told fact’s it’d be hard but he makes it up as he goes….easy!!!!
Some don’t do it for the right reason’s tho,sell book’s and all for a fast buck! IMO
We all do about what he does,sit and type!
bbl
ms.peridot19 said,
in February 12th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Vaquera said,in February 12th, 2010 at 11:57 am
good morning vaquera, thank you for the information. (although that sounds intimidating to download power dvd 5!)
i was wondering if you could share with us what you know is the known facts about haleigh’s last weekend before she went missing. was she at the mh? i always wondered if she went somewhere public?
i know it is probably not relevant, but, i also wonder if the mobile home was occupied that weekend. you know, maybe they all went to family or friends and the mobile home was empty. i know that probably does not mean anything, just not sure.
well if you can share,
thank you in advance, ms.p.
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as far as I know the kids were at grandma’s house and if I remember correctly Ron was doing some tree work for his aunt that weekend. I guess that would be why she brought their laundry over that Monday night.
I don’t know if anyone was over at the mobile home that weekend outside of Ron till that Sunday afternoon when everyone came back.
Tuff – sorry…AH just lost all credibility with me when he sold himself to be the talking head for this case but presented himself to the public as an unbiased reporter. Can’t have it both ways. Now it appears he is on NG’s payroll. To me him presents himself as yet another glory hound looking to make a name for himself off the case of a missing child. I will respect your opinion but AH gets no props from me.
CathyJo63 AH obviously does fairly intense interviews as well. No matter. I’m just sharing my opinion about all of it also. As I said, they ALL get credit for continuing to care about this case. Well now it is cases, sad to say.
JB,
I also realize that AH is an “independent” journalist which leaves him open to attacks from others, I guess? My question is, why?
Some say he was paid to smear R.C. on behalf of K.P. and what not. If K.P. did not have anything to add to that side of the equation then there would not have been anything to have written an article about right? A.H. has also posted articles that contain info that is not in favor of C.S. also.
I do not see the point of accusing AH of wrongdoing in regards to LP’s offer to bail anyone out either. Be realistic, we do not know what AH said to those people exactly. It seems to me that if anything AH should be given at least the benefit of the doubt. AH may have been simply asking if they had heard about LP’s offer for all we know.
jmo
JB,
I am not “telling you” to do anything. I am just noticing that the disagreements on who is NOT considered a suspect are opposed on a visceral level, that would indicate some type of vested interest in the clan. To avoid conflict of interest, I have found it is always best to remain at a distance. Just my observations and request…..take it or leave it.
JB, I appreciate your voice of reason and hope that all posters (me included!) will take a few minutes to calm themselves down before posting a reaction. A post can easily come across worse or different than the writer intended.
The peed-on blanket may be significant, but we don’t know whose pee it is, Haleigh’s or Jr’s, or what this implies.
It’s likely that LE is employing comments from family members in their questioning of those in jail. They seem to be redacting much of the released tapes, but I think in some cases they have goofed and let stuff out that they didn’t intend.
I have always said that the phone records of the players from the weeks before and weeks after Feb 9/10th are key. I hope that LE has gone through these thoroughly to see who has talked to who and if the key players talked to any unexpected people in these time frames. They may need to go back a month or two before the crime to see any unusual patterns.
Tuff Stuff – point taken. I will ease up on AH and do my best to give him the benefit of the doubt…orange head and all (sorry, couldn’t resist) 😀
BJB – It can be difficult to remain objective and stay at a distance when emotions are running high and you want so badly for the truth to be told and this baby to be returned home. It DOES become personal because we’ve all invested so much time into this case and because we’re so flippin’ frustrated with the antics of these people. It can be difficult not to persecute those who were the most responsible for Haleigh’s care and well-being.
Aligoo – thank you….and I too need to heed my own advice. 🙂
JB,
Understood. I too have high emotions on this case. I was driving home from work yesterday, and was on a freeway off ramp when the thought of Haliegh being dead crossed my mind. I REALLY started to have an anxiety attack!
I am, however, just trying to focus on what evidence we have so far, and less on the clans circus acts, which I always find to be a distraction.
BJB – I wish we HAD more facts….most days it seems all we have is the circus acts to go on. I would LOVE to get into LE’s Haleigh room for a few hours and find out what exactly it is they have!
Me too!!!
So BJB – give me YOUR best theory of what YOU think happened that night…..
I think that Misty was too zonked the night Haleigh went missing to even notice if she screamed out. The fact that she did massive amounts of a drug that effects memory supports this—and for those of you who dont believe it can effect memory, even the next day—look it up, it can and often does, especially when used in massive amounts by a drug addict, and ESPECIALLY when NOT used the next day—starts a withdrawal that REALLLY effect memory and cognition. The fact that the MH door was left open indicates that Misty may have stepped outside to smoke, as she could not do that indoors with Halieghs asthma, and being zonked, left the door unbolted. Up comes Tommy to check, he finds her NOT answering, and could have entered through a locked door and????? Or Tommy could have told someone there was no one home and that person entered and????? OR Misty may have, in a stupor, brought someone home with her and???? Could she NOT remember bringing someone home with her, or inviting someone over? yes. Blackouts are very very common with this drug.
That is why I fear that LE are relying way to heavily on Misty to solve the crime. She may simply not remember.
Hi, Aligoo!
Unfortunately it does not look like LE is questioning M (at least) in jail. Not the part of LE that is investigating Haleigh’s disappearance anyway.
As of two days ago this is what Lt Greenwood said in an interview:
“With the approval of her attorney, we will talk to her if we are afforded the opportunity to.”
http://www.cfnews13.com/Business/LocalBusinessHeadlines/2010/2/10/haleigh_cummings_missing_one_year.html
another possible scenario is Misty was not home that night. She left, leaving the door unbolted and ANYONE could have entered and???? or perhaps she asked someone to check up on the kids and that person entered and?????
You make some excellent points, BJB. This may explain what LE’s problem is. They need a witness to come forward and say who Misty was with that night to help them determine which of the “OR’s” is the perp. Or to rule out possible people.
or Tommy unlocked the side door when he was over there earlier the same time as the AC man.
WHen are we going to get more audio tapes??? Auuugghhh!!!!
I’m also very interested to know exactly what LE knows, great or small.
JB @ 2:45 – You said, “I discuss Ron and Misty (and complain about them) because THEY were responsible for Haleigh the night she disappeared. If Haleigh had been living with Crystal when she disappeared I’d be hammering away at her and her family and I would really care less about Ron and Misty but that isn’t the case.”
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If you are talking about who was responsible for watching Haleigh that night. Fine. But if you are interested in discussing possible theories and motives in the case, then more than R and M need to be discussed.
I’m talking about motives and theories. What are you talking about? Moral responsibility or what happened to Haleigh?
Hgm, I cant wait to listen even though they are just playing with the media. It still gives you some idea what they are like and how low they will stoop. jmo
Hgm, did you listen to the show today? Cobra was on and he had some good ideas.He sounded like he is doing well and I hope he can get his legal problems solved and get back to work.
jmo
Did you hear about the supposed girlfriend being a nutty blogger? Sounds like she is only interested in Ron because he is in jail.jmo
thats right darn it I missed the show..I thought cobie washed his hands of this case..hmmmmm never say never.
He just gave some incite into what he said along time ago about it being about drugs and how people were acting the whole time. jmo
Hello all,
AS I always say if Ron wasn’t involved why did he make the statment to Misty while speaking with 911″the lock is side ways”as if someone broke in?To me that statment makes you wonder why did he lie?Had he planned to damage the lock?
Hi pinkey, hope you are feeling better after the last time you were on. I have the same dead bolt and when its in the open position its handle is sideways and when it is locked the handle is in the up and down position.
– OPEN I LOCKED
it’s not his supposed girlfriend, just someone in another state that he talks to,so what?
True Vaquera, She doesnt matter at all. Just a nut.jmo
tobias im better…..now i c what u r saying but listening to the 911 call imo why did Ron say such a thing,as if someone did it to break in?That says soooo much to me.Do u kno what part of the call im speakin on?
Dont really remember who said we won’t learn much from these recordings but i agree..The first calls n visits recorded maybe what was redacted,but that’s 4 LE.I hope some god info came out of their mouths.
M2C – here’s an idea that BOTH of us will like. Don’t read my posts and I won’t read yours. That way, you don’t have to try and figure out what my motives are, why my ideas are wrong, how many issues you have with my comments, whether I’ve spelt things correctly, whether I was sitting in the appropriate position while I was typing, whether I have some mysterious alterior motive for disliking Ron and his family, and you won’t have to be bothered by anything I say. And I won’t read yours which will keep my head from exploding from being nit-picked and psycho analized every time I post a comment.
There, everyone is happy…..move on.
JB – I never thought your ideas or motives were wrong. I thought maybe you and I were misunderstanding each other’s posts because you were talking about “responsibility” in one way and I was talking about it another.
And I have no idea why you have such a nasty hostile attitude. It seems you pulled all those accusations right out of the air as far as I can see because I’ve never criticized you like that. So sorry to see you take that attitude.
Tobias, what show are you talking about? I’ve had computer trouble all day… are you talking about the Levi Page show?
When Ron says “one of the 2 of them” in the following tape with his mother, who is he referring to when as the 2????Misty and Tommy OR Misty and Crystal???
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NEVES: You got Misty in that cell over there, which nobody else would do, so…
RONALD CUMMINGS: Nobody else could do.
NEVES: Yes. So you know, you`re just — I`m very proud of you. Don`t you let anybody (INAUDIBLE) that I`m not.
RONALD CUMMINGS: Well, the way I see it is, I already told you…
NEVES: Yes, I know.
RONALD CUMMINGS: You know? If one of the two of them — you know, the whole time, we figured it`s got to be one of the two of them. If it`s one of the two of them, they got them pinned in a corner now because Crystal can wait six, eight months, and just here she is, pops up over here or wherever, in Texas and moves to Montana, whatever, you know, and — or the worst, so — but either way, we`ll know.
NEVES: Well, you just hang in there, baby. What are you crying for, sweetheart?
RONALD CUMMINGS: Because I wished I knew where my daughter was!
NEVES: I know, honey. But we`ll find her, you know? One way or the other, like you said, one of them`s going to — one of them`s going to mess up now, so we`re going to find her.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
I read that Amber and or Nay Nay was friends with Crystal. Misty taunted Amber on facebook….wonder if Misty was drugged and asleep when the girls removed Haleigh knowing Haleigh knows them and would not yell…….Does Ron think it is possible that these girls stole the kid and Crystal can have Haleigh pop up whenever?
The law needs to change to allow predators to be processed much quicker than 3 months. In 3 months, a lot more victims can be had, and dead.
Clay Sheriff defends Timing of Harrell Arrest
By Jeff Hess @ February 12, 2010 5:49 PM Permalink | Comments (0)
The Clay County Sheriff’s office defends the timing of the arrest.
Clay County Sheriff Rick Beseler also released a statement Friday about Harrell’s arrest on child porn charges and its relation to the Somer Thompson case:
“Some disturbing commentary has been brought to our attention regarding the timing of the arrest of Jarred Harrell on child porn charges, namely, the inference that the Clay County Sheriff’s Office could have somehow arrested this pornography suspect (Harrell) before the tragic death of Somer Thompson. As we have said all along, we must protect the integrity of our investigation to insure arrest and prosecution is not jeopardized, so not every detail is releasable and not every question can be answered at this time. However, I have the upmost confidence in the team working these cases and know – for a fact – that everything that could be done was done in regards to completing the Harrell child porn investigation and it was done in a timely manner and as quickly as the law allows.
An investigation into any allegation of child pornography possession involves far more than simply establishing that a computer contains the illegal photos or movies. Detectives must be able to prove how it was acquired, who had possession and when. This involves the painstaking process of verifying download times, bank transactions, source of pornography and methods of payment. All this must then be linked back to a suspect before obtaining a warrant and making an arrest.
To infer that the Harrell child pornography investigation somehow languished is unfair and inaccurate.”
Hi, jodi! Thank you for posting that. Yes, I think it’s just as valid as theory as any other. One variation might be that instead of it being Nay Nay or Amber, it was another person known to Haleigh (not Crystal I don’t think but someone doing it for her and Marie).
But it certainly could have been Nay Nay or Amber, too. Definitely a “keeper” on my list of possibilities.
bonanzajellybean: I agree. The laws about child porn, predators, etc need to CHANGE! Both the laws about investigating and about prosecuting.
It’s not LE’s fault. I’m sure they’re as frustrated by the laws – even more so sometimes – than we are!
bonanzajellybean said,in February 12th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
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You got that right bjb. I agree .
Hi m2C, I agree that it would not be Crystal or Marie. It is also hard to believe that Misty knows anything and kept it quiet all this time, unless she had something to do witht the death of this child and thinks she will get life……..in that case 20 years won’t sound too bad for an 18 year old.
How far is the area Somer went missing from Haleigh. Both Florida.
Jodi,
I wonder if this suspect was an aquaintance of either the cummings, croslins, or someone in their inner circle? He fullfills the requirement for associating with them….sleazy.
Tommys story about knocking ,an no one came to the door.Hmmm we always knocked on my families bedroom window when tring to rouse them. Also anyone who knocked,if Misty just was in a deep sleep from her weekend blow out,or not at home.An someone knocked,Haliegh or Ronjr,could have pulled chair up,or Haliegh could have stood on tippy toes,an opened the door,to let someone they knew in.Or even someone they didnt,thinking it was daddy home from work.Misty call tommys,to find out where good old cousin Joe was that early morning.When Haliegh was abducted.I believe!! While under,wrongfully given hypno,an test.Because she couldnt read ,to know what she signed for,except what she was told.She said,she remembers Ronjr crawled over her,an when she woke he was in bed.The children could have let someone in,an the person told JR to go back to bed.Then they took Haliegh.The little boy really could have seen some,black man,or someone in black hoodie,doing something to Haliegh on the couch-if Misty was sleep,or wasnt home. My consern is that someone staging an abduction ,breakin.Would have pried on door,maybe broke a window as someone here brought up. I have always thought about those dark woods all around,behind trailor.The CSX rail road tracks,not to far from home.Someone could have parked there.Went through dark woods to get Haliegh.An went back,to tracks where they parked,an road off with Haliegh,who they had been watching for a time to snatch her.Pedifiles do this,an take those they snatch to other Counties,or States.They could have been in the crowd,or a stranger,watching Ronalds work shifts,an Mistys sleep patterns. What bothers me,is reading where someone placed a rose,where a childs foot print was found in those wood, after report went out.Misty mentioned a flower.When Hypnotized. Also MG mentioned Haliegh once got away from them,an was found almost drowned.Could Haliegh have wandered away,an fell into the river,an drowned,with Gators,or animals of prey getting her??? When it boils down to SO,in the county,all being home ankle tracking devices. In a country town near here.A known criminal.Had ankle tracking device,an he took his off,it did not display he wasnt wearing it.He comitted a crime during this time.Criminals are up on all the ways to get out of things.Question,if device is placed on another warm body,if they get it unwired, or off.Could this keep alert from going off,to LE ? I ENJOYED THE RADO SHOW TODAY Simon,An those speaking. I took notice to,the man speaking of getting into town.An knowing right then about the drug usage by many involved in this missing little girls life. Shame on Crystals dad,if he gave his daughter pills-or her stepdad,which ever one it was.I dont remember the mans name,on your show today, he said her dad gave her the pills,illeagly.In other words she didnt have a script for them.About what days they went to get pills,i guess he was talking about Ron,Misty,an any other who went.Just think,some was done at Haliegh bug foundation.I do hope they werent buying narcotics,from mony raised,as they said for Halieghs search. I would like to know more about what went on when the foundaition was in Putnum-The Haliegh bug F. What the money went for,down to the dollar,an who was in control of every thing with Haliegh bug F. Was taxes filed,was all reported to IRS.I did read Kim P. an M Griffs,paper work,some of the blogging by ,some involved.But now i would like to hear all,of what happened there at HBF.
bonanzajellybean ,
Agreed very sleazy. Ron is hard to read though because with all the drug arrests, he never serves time……like a narc………he also said something in another tape about being recognized……..is his cover blown?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RONALD CUMMINGS: She just said she`s going to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
NEVES: Yes, but you`re helping them.
RONALD CUMMINGS: I`m not helping them do anything but look for Haleigh because I can`t work for them just because I`m on the news like that, man. I can`t go anywhere in the nation without someone knowing me, you know? Every time someone walks in, they go, Is that the guy from the news?
I got one buddy in here. Actually, two — three. Two of them are cops and one of them is an inmate.
NEVES: That`s good. I`m glad.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
jodi said,in February 12th, 2010 at 6:29 pm When Ron says “one of the 2 of them” in the following tape with his mother, who is he referring to when as the 2????Misty and Tommy OR Misty and Crystal???
Jodi, I think he means Misty and Tommy when he refers to “one of the 2 of them” because Ms. Neves then says “one of them`s going to mess up now”. To me this implies that these two persons are in LE custody and not just going about their normal daily life.
Ron also says “here she is, pops up over here or wherever, .,.. whatever, you know, and — or the worst…”. This to me means that he thinks if the one or two people finally admit what they know, it will lead to Haleigh reappearing or her body being found (which to him is the worst case). So it sounds like he is hopeful but also realistic about the possibilites.
Possible that Ron is a narc, but I dont think so because he held down a real job at night. Police buddies????? That struck me odd as well. Perhaps that is why he escapes arrest. Makes me wonder about the company that the “police buddies” keep—gives me the heebeejeebees.
So Misty confirmed that Ronald had a drug problem… Hmmmm, wow… too bad everyone else is able to admit that they are druggies… but he can’t!!
I hope,an pray Halieghs found. It just seems like a drug bust.An we are no closer to knowing,than last yr.
What is Spinners? Is it a discount liquor store, or a Sports Bar, Eatery?
I just heard the Audio from Ronald that some guy “Jason” has spoken with the female Judge or spoken with people who have spoken with the Judge and that Judge intends to give Misty the full 114 year sentence. That is not allowed, that Judge should not be speaking with anyone and that is corruption. It’s major Human rights issues. Who is Jason is he an officer? This corruption in this area Judges to Police officers has to stop. Does anyone know the name of the female Judge that discusses cases before she has even seen them? Plus Tommy Croslin goes on to tell about how they told him about Misty, so obviously they are not looking at him. They found evidence in his home that he did in fact steal the stuff did in fact commit the BNE’s and they side up with Tommy Croslin again getting him to attack Misty. This is tragic and the worse case of curruption and abuse I have ever witnessed in my life other than in China and Tibet and this is topping them. MISTY NEEDS TO SUE LAWYER SHOP ASK FOR LAWYERS TO FILE AND SUE THEM!!! Tommy Croslin needs to honest how did that stuff get in his house? Take his punishment and move on, don’t blame anyone don’t weasel out of it on the tragedy of a child. There is line he needs to suck it up. Does anyone know who this judge is and who this Jason is?
Hey guy’s,gotta read to catch up!
Dusty,
The fact that Ron has no regrets saying all this on tape is enough for an investigation, in my opinion. I find it ludicrous and disheartening that Ron feels the need to expose LE’s game plan… if his claims are true!!!
Tuff, I am sorry if u thought i was pickin’..I know that’s your opinion…sorry but I got a raw nerve for his reporting but I understand,I blogged there forever too.lol till i figured the truth out!
Holly or Ann,M2…somebody…lol did you guys ever hear there was an abandoned car found in the wood’s after she went missing but it was not released at the time i think??
DustyRose says:I just heard the Audio from Ronald that some guy “Jason” has spoken with the female Judge or spoken with people who have spoken with the Judge and that Judge intends to give Misty the full 114 year sentence. That is not allowed, that Judge should not be speaking with anyone and that is corruption. It’s major Human rights issues. Who is Jason is he an officer? This corruption in this area Judges to Police officers has to stop.
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I am not sure if are thinking that this is the Jason from here..NO Judge would give anyone, cop or no cop that info!! Oh, there is corruption all right BUT where did you get this info from?
Cathy, are you speaking of NayNay’s car?
I didn’t know we had mice here..LoL Like your nic.
No Adam’s……sec…brb get it!
This was posted on WS!
I just watched Greta Van Susteren, On The Record, and she gave a brief update on this case.
Greta said that LE released information today that one of the items of interest found in the woods during the search is an abandoned car. There were no further details.
I’m wondering how this will figure in the case. Does it have anything to do with the purported fight Ron had the day prior to Haleigh’s disappearance?
Holly’s,also was it you who sked about a boat,R did own a john boat that the police took early on!! I cannot swear it but Im 99.99% sure he did!
Blue Moon said,
Ronald says it in his Audio interview that some guy “Jason” told him that the Judge in Flagger county the female one intends to give Misty the whole 114 years. I have a relative in the area who is a lawyer I will ask him who she is.
Blue Moon said,
Ronald says it in his Audio interview that some guy “Jason” told him that the Judge in Flagger county the female one intends to give Misty the whole 114 years. I have a relative in the area who is a lawyer I will ask him who she is.
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That is a mistake…I did not say that, any of it…Maybe Dusty cut and pasted a different part of the post on accident…Please clarify Dusty..Thanks
Blue Moon said,
No you didn’t say that I responded to you with that. Its in the post above. I spoke with my relative and he said if there is some sort of Discrimination that Misty’s lawyer will be all over that. A Judge is not allowed to have determined guilt or innocence let alone sentence before even hearing a case. If it is true and Ronald is not just being a big mouth then all that would happen is it will go before a different Judge. It makes Ronald look bad to be on tape selling drugs and then saying he is doing it for Haleigh. Because if he wanted to truly work under cover he could of approached the Police and they would of gladly worked with him to go after Misty. It makes him look like he is using the tragedy to get off the drug charges. Not a good appearance and causes people to wonder what else he is capable of. Just another distraction. It was playing on a Site on FB off Nancy Grace they have been following the case for weeks now. It is a study what the media says and does its impact on Justice.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
DustyRose said,in February 12th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
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I have a question,So is someone leaking info on this case??TY
I am not sure as to who i should of posted that question to, DustyRose or Bluemoon. i apolize.
do you guys have a link for the tapes??
CathyJo63 said,
in February 12th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Holly or Ann,M2…somebody…lol did you guys ever hear there was an abandoned car found in the wood’s after she went missing but it was not released at the time i think??
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yes, I do.I believe it was just a rumor to begin with but the rumor turned out to be true when PCSO confirmed they found a vehicle in the woods but would say what kind or anything about it.
Jason is Jason Jolicoeur with FDLE
Oh Ok,thanx Vaq..I had never heard that till yesterday!!
Have you guy’s seen the new tapes..I can’t find them to save my soul!
that should be wouldn’t say..;)
you’re welcome, cathyjo and no, out of 5 hours of tapes we hear a snippet here and there. I wish someone would just put the whole thing out there and let us decide what we want or don’t want to listen to.
LoL Vaq…makes 2 of us!! We have waited for a yr. now basically to hear anything! Now they got them and we still don’t!LoL
Our Jason is Le?
Yes Jason is a cop that is what they have posted in the group too. He knows the sentence a head of time and the Judge’s decision.
Snippet’s….it’s like taterchip’s.Have a bag and can’t eat but one! grrrrrr
/me gets her seatbelt on and proof of insurance ready just incase!
Dusty,I don’t follow,tho i think i dooo but not sure how to respond till i am sure.lol
I’m follow a group that is doing a study on media and Police corruption via media and the impact it has on Justice. They were discussing it in chat but now have the program loaded. It was on NG Ronald told his Mother in a recorded conversation that Jason told him that Judge Berger is going to prosecute to the fullest of the law and Misty is getting the full 114 years. Jason is law Enforcement & the concern is how does he know what Misty is getting a long with some other issues, but that is the newest one.
I heard Ronald say to his mother on one of those tapes that they have told him that intend to prosecute him to the full extent of the law. All of this seems to be sinking in to Ronald, and he seemed a little down over it.
Wasn’t there a car abandonded by a sexual predator that fled the area, not cousin Joe, another one. They didn’t think this guy had anything to do with the case, or that is the story LE put out.
LOL! Just because Ron said it doesn’t make it true….even IF Jason said it, it doesn’t make it true….Is it proveable? Maybe Ron was misquoting Jason. Maybe Jason was trying to tell him the PROSECUTOR was going after the full 114 yrs and Ron just goofed it up. Right?
Hey guys!
Yes, I do remember the car…from pond search. I was inside WS during that weekend and was posting back & forth from here to there and vice versa. I was also helping man the scanner and posting what was occurring. There WAS evidence found that day but it has been kept extremely hush hush. THere are interviews with neighbors saying things about a car being taken away on a frontloader wrecker. It was covered with tarps to keep onlookers from describing it to anyone. I believe neighbors were then asked to keep silent about it to keep from hampering the investigation.
I have not commented on it before now due to that reason but now that several principles are behind bars, I am willing to say, Yes, I remember and Yes, there was, and I can even try to offer proof in the form of links to witness reports & accounts.
Good to see you all!
Why would LE with hold this car from the public? Why not put it out there and ask if the public knows anything about the car? How do they know someone didn’t see it at their neighbours and the neighbour turns out to be a predator and it open Pandora’s box. They don’t have the ability to determine what would be it’s their responsibility to find what can be by all means available. IMHO they need to stop thinking they know the answer and just over turn every avenue to find the answer. If they know the answer then why is Haleigh Cummings still missing? Obviously they are not all that. It was discussed that LE is targeting Misty and making attempts to turn everyone against her in the drug case as a result of their predetermined conviction of Guilt in the Haleigh case. It is opinion that Jason’s comments are proof of that conviction with out a fair trial, and proof of directly and deliberately trying to intervene in the out come of the drug case. Mostly it is a study on Nancy Grace and the impact her show is having on the ability to hold a fair trial due to her manipulating. It is mainly to keep those kind of shows out of our Country, our legal system.
Hi Dusty, It looks like are two Blue Moons now. I usually post and have for the past few months. The one above is another Blue Moon, hence my comment to you! Sorry, I guess we should have I & II
Nevermind, I was reading it wrong!
Dusty, what I remember about that car is someone told they saw a car up on a flat bed wrecker being pulled out of there and assumed it came out of the pond because it was the same day. Later it was confirmed that it was a mans car that lived down that road that had called for a wrecker due to mechanical problems.
Do any of you think maybe they drained the wrong pond? I keep seeing posts about shell pond, anyone know anything about that pond?jmo
Did anyone listen to C Jones on Levi? I found alot of what he said to be credible. He did talk several times to LE, so they must want to know what Misty said to him while she was at his house. Very interesting that Misty was seeing Donna 2-3 times a week.No one may believe him but the entire thing seems to be in the same MO as other events. By knowing how these people act it is a very likely story that C Jones gave on the road rage incident.
jmo
When anyone says in the dark, while driving 90 miles an hour, I saw a black gun the size of Rons palm and he yelled he was going to kill me is full of it. It doesn’t matter who says that it is bs. NO ONE could hear and see under those circumstances. Then the same person changes the story to Ron was stopped and I passed behind him and saw and heard this. Makes no sense, impossible to happen under those circumstances. Let’s just read the tabloids and call it news.
Tobias, yes, I listened to CJ… I just wished Levi had asked him more in-depth questions about Misty’s stay with his family. I also am curious as to why he is just now speaking out to the public/media… which is a good thing!! To me, that shows he doesn’t necessarily have an agenda.
M2C:
In answer to your question to me, you are right, I am not a Ronald or Misty hater. I have always felt that they know more than they are telling. I am the type that feels anger and pity at the same time because of their current situation. Anger, because it is all such a waste of their lives. Pity because they have wasted, possibly, years of their lives.
I want to hear from everyone that knows Ronald and Misty, especially, the people that know other people around Misty and Ronald. I am a person that sits back and listens to people talk, and there will be a kernel of truth here and there to pick up on. Noone lies every breath. If they keep talking some truths slip out. I say the more people we can get to talking, the more will slip out. Not hearing from people, or being selective and only listening to one side, will not lead us to truth. Keep listening and that truth that ties it all together will slip out.
CJ said some things that I found interesting. It wasn’t about the trouble about CJ and Ronald had, but about some of the things he said about Ronald before they got cross-wise. He really had some nice things to say, along with the negative. I will wait for other people to come forward and verify or deny those things that I picked up on. I listen alot, accept very little, and wait for others to verify.
One thing that I caught was that he said Ronald had always seemed like such a quiet person and stayed to himself alot. I had never thought of Ronald being that way. I have heard some real tenderness in Ronald on these tapes that I have made note of. I am not just stuck on the front he puts on anymore. I have noticed, on these tapes that Ronald is considerate about using up other people’s money. Misty seems kind of inconsiderate and demanding in that area. I am picking up alot now that everyone is talking. Some seems good, some seems bad.
I also want to know how Ronald was before Haleigh went missing. I would like to know if alot of Ronald’s bravado is a way of coping with all that has gone on.
Karon, good post, open mind, lots of good points, food for thought.
cent, you could be right or this could be the first media that would give him the opportunity.
AnneInTn said, in February 12th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
I have a question,So is someone leaking info on this case??TY
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Jason J the investigator, can say anything he wants to Ron or Misty. It doesn’t have to be true if it is part of the investigation and he goes about it the right way. Why would you assume a leak?
Lucas said,in February 14th, 2010 at 12:56 am AnneInTn said, in February 12th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
I have a question,So is someone leaking info on this case??TY
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Jason J the investigator, can say anything he wants to Ron or Misty. It doesn’t have to be true if it is part of the investigation and he goes about it the right way. Why would you assume a leak?
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cuz of something i read there
cuz of something i read here i meant to say. My Typo.
AnneInTn said,in February 14th, 2010 at 1:18 am Lucas said,in February 14th, 2010 at 12:56 am AnneInTn said, in February 12th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
I have a question,So is someone leaking info on this case??TY
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Jason J the investigator, can say anything he wants to Ron or Misty. It doesn’t have to be true if it is part of the investigation and he goes about it the right way. Why would you assume a leak?
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cuz of something i read there
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Why would anyone NOT want to speak un-truths? I dont get it.
CathyJo63 said,in February 13th, 2010 at 1:12 am Our Jason is Le?
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CathyJo be safe here. One never knows who we are talking to. ya know??
Karon Cox re your February 13th, 2010 at 9:42 pm:
If we could get a clearer picture of the words, facial expressions, and body language that is missing on some of the audio-only recordings, we might get a very different impression. I would ignore for the present what is SAID. We should keep reminding ourselves, These people know they are being recorded!
People should take psychology.
In my opinion.
I hope he will say something about that person of interest being arrested in the Somer Thompson case. He was arrested on possession of child porn and named a person of interest in the Somer case.
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