Make of this what you will. The PCSO have had Misty Croslin in Putman County all day today. She is now en-route back to St Johns. I guess she only had a day pass.
There is an interesting diversion that Misty Croslin took. The PCSO took her on a field trip to the search site. On the ground observers claim that she left the site about 6:35 eastern.
The question of why the investigators would take Misty to this location is a complex one to answer. As this case heats up the questions of who and why become harder to answer.
There are a number of rumors being floated around by members of the press. Depending on who you talk to, just about everyone except Elvis is suspected. However, there does seem to be a core of four, Misty Croslin, her brother Tommy Croslin, Ronald Cummings, and Joe Overstreet. Cousin Joe has actually garnered a good deal of attention in the past 24 hours. He is the only one not currently behind bars, but that situation can change rapidly.
We do have a reporter on the ground and I am hoping that he will be able to provide an update on this mysterious field trip.
Simon Barrett
1,016 users commented in " Haleigh Cummings Update – Apr 14 5:40pm "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackProbably more to do with her “other” charges. Like being witness to drug deals happening there for pills.
sad to me poor lil baby girl, I hope who ever did this gets the death bed.I think they all had a part in this…maybe not Ron but he did leave his baby with a dope head.GREAT job in your reports BNN ROCKS well ronny boy is a dope head to. UNREAL
Tommy probably threw a gun away in that river related to other pill dealing activities. She may have been witness to it and is pointing out how far from the dock. I don’t think having her there for a as short as an hour has anything directly with haleigh or a body.
I think this latest development is a stunt by Law Enforcement (LE) to get Tommy and or Joe to think Misty is turning on them, making a deal, and I think LE is telling Tommy and Misty, we believe you that it is ALL JOE.
LE needs independent corroborating evidence apart from depositions from Misty, Tommy and or Joe.
I am filled with gratitude that LE is doing something, anything…..I appreciate all the bloggers and posters for their help, opinions, and insights.
I think they must have reason to believe Misty knows exactly where Haleigh’s body can be found.
Didn’t neighbors report that Misty was gone from the house for some time during that night? I think they all might have left as a group & only some of them came back to the house. They probably left Junior home asleep.
I can’t picture her going there and saying something like they tied her to a brick and dumped her in that direction bcz they would’ve found a body by now. I can picture , however , saying about a small item being thrown in and her pointing out approximately how far it was thrown out and in what direction. I still beleive this is a search based on her current charges to gather pertinent evidence related to “pill dealing”. Not saying a gun or even tommy but a scanario similar with the bigger wholesale dealers inviolved. (like the people they got their stuff from ). JMO.
BB-12, That could be it also.. letting them see that she’s there but not knowing whats being said could get Tommy to “breakdown” and “spill the beans” !
Mel22- If it were just about the drugs why would the entire family including Haleighs bio mom be gatheredtogether and come out of the meeting in tears? It doesn’t make sense,imo.
Glad Elvis is not being thrown under the bus. LOL
Simon are you buying all this? Better yet, Jan are you?
I know that you both try to keep a open mind and your goal is to provide us readers and bloggers information and do not claim to know what is or not facts at this time, but, what is going on and who are involved, but, you have to see or smell the stink that seems to follow this case no matter who becomes involved and what is done.
HA! Like I’ve said ALL ALONG!
Well.. my opinion, worth about 0 cents.. the opinion and about 3.00 I can get a cup of coffee.
Misty and Tommys stories are not matching….
Joe’s story is “I wasn’t there, I didn’t do anything to that little girl.”
Ron of course is “I was at work”..
Apparently, nothing at all has been found..
Is this by some chance September all over again?
I think Misty being there is for one reason-public persecution. She could have corroborated anything said in the comforts of her jail cell, not on the scene in from of tv cameras/photographers. I cannot believe her lawyer would agree to parade her in front of the media like this. Something stinks here..I thought the original tip came from Tommy, yet he has not showed up at the scene.
Texasmommy–Amen..Something certainly stinks, and it just isn`t the water. Parading Misty in front of the media at an “alleged crime scene” is nothing more than a publicity stunt. I was suspicious before, now, I am downright disgusted by the lengths LE is going to convict these people in the court of public opinion. Where is the evidence?
mystery said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
Mel22- If it were just about the drugs why would the entire family including Haleighs bio mom be gatheredtogether and come out of the meeting in tears? It doesn’t make sense,imo.
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Lt. Johnny Greenwood, a spokesperson for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office stated (paraphrasing) that the family of HaLeigh Cumming’s was notified that a search was going to commence and what the TIP was so that they would not be alarmed by the news media attention.
I wonder what they found in that tote. According to Ron,Joe likes to go fishing at that dock. Plus why don’t they give Joe a lie detector test? I think that Misty and Tommy are pointing the finer at Joe just to take the heat off them. Why don’t she just tell the truth. Their never going to let this go.We just have another Casey Anthony. UNBELIEVABLE!
Misty is a self-centered, whiny little brat! She’s got this idea that she’s getting out of there and she and Ronald Cummings will be together again.
It has been reported that Tommy was there on Monday. HLN said Tommy went there with LE and the PI. Now we see Misty there, does that mean she was there that night? Where was Junior if she left to go there and where were Tommys kids if Lindsy wasnt home yet? And if she was why did she lie and say Tommy was home all night? jmo
@mystery. Haleigh going missing IMO has everything to do with the “prescription drug ring” they had going on. She may have been taken bcz of the Money or “owed items” (like guns involved with dealers )for collateral. Maybe the “new leads” as they are calling them on other forums lead the police to to decide on this being a “homicide” rather than a missing persons” case. Maybe with the new leads they decided to inform the family of the change and is what’s causing the tears. Who knows it is definitely a mystery, mystery !
BB12-Chris-ok.Good answer.But Why was the questioning of cousin Joe specifically about Hailey and not about the drugs? Was it coincidental that this happened the exact same time when it has been a year since he was questioned?
It is a canard that Tommy was at the River Monday. It is a canard that Joe took a polygraph.
BB-12, didn’t see your post in time. So it looks like its just a new search and they were informed in advance so there wouldn’t be shock value.
It is definitely a mystery Mel22,lol!
mystery said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
BB12-Chris-ok.Good answer.But Why was the questioning of cousin Joe specifically about Hailey and not about the drugs? Was it coincidental that this happened the exact same time when it has been a year since he was questioned?
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Joe gave a press conference. Joe said the questions where about HaLeigh.
Joe had an attorney- IMO – answers that would incriminate a person of a crime is not going to be answered.
mlee said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Apparently, nothing at all has been found..
Is this by some chance September all over again?
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I think u might be right Mlee. Maybe just lies,lies,lies and more lies.
tobias said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
It has been reported that Tommy was there on Monday. HLN said Tommy went there with LE and the PI. ………..
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Sorry, you must have misheard or they misspoke as Tommy has NOT been let out of jail for anything other than interviews. Tommy was not at the River Monday or Today.
All I can say is …..”Really? Really?”
Here’s what I think happened.
They all, mc, joe, tc and halieigh, down to the dock for some reason. They leave jr. asleep but since haleigh isn’t ready for bed, she goes too. Somehow, while the 3 stooges aren’t watching, she drowns and then they all 3 make a plan to cover it up.
This would explain her pointing to the water in handcuffs.
Shawn Sirgo, Overstreet’s attorney, said Overstreet was treated very well by law enforcement and he has not been given any indication at this point there will be charges. He declined to comment on a possible dispute with Cummings over the gun, saying law enforcement officers were best suited to discuss that.
Sirgo said the officers seem to be coming up to a break in the case, pointing to the fact that they flew up on a state plane and waited until nearly midnight for Sirgo and Overstreet to meet with them.
“Based on my experience with those officers, there’s going to be an arrest,” Sirgo said. “But I don’t know who.”
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-04-14/story/putnam-sheriff-status-haleigh-cummings-case-unchanged
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“I’m sorry. I can’t imagine what they’re going through. I didn’t do it,” Overstreet said. “If I knew who did, I would straight call the cops and tell who did it.”
Overstreet struggled Wednesday to maintain his composure as he talked about this case.
Haleigh disappeared from her home 14 months ago. Her father’s ex-wife said she put the 5-year-old to bed one night in February 2009, and that was the last anyone saw of the girl.
Overstreet and his attorney said family members are the ones who keep putting Overstreet back on the hot seat.
“At his age, to be accused of such a horrendous act and to be given no support, it’s disgusting,” said Overstreet’s attorney, Shawn Sirgo.
Sirgo and Overstreet said they are confident the facts will prove the man’s innocence. They both drove to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation on Tuesday night to meet with investigators, who flew in from Florida. They stayed with them for about 40 minutes, Sirgo said.
“It was obviously a short interview, which means that there was no substantial change,” said Sirgo. “I have a good idea of what they’re going to do next.”
Sirgo said the next move does not involve any action against his client, who he said has already suffered more than he should
“I lost a lot of family,” said Overstreet.
Haleigh’s father and his ex-wife are both in jail in connection with a prescription drug ring.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/23152983/detail.html
Joe’s attorney made other statements today regarding the “media”. I’m assuming he means Harris. I wonder if they’ll sue him for accusing Joe on TV all the time of Haleigh’s disapperance. Many others have been sued in the past or accusing people on air.
If Tommy, Misty and Joe were involved.. then there would be one story.. one at least that would equal the other.. Tommy and misty would have the same details of the occurrance.. even if Joe said.. Not me..
But, tommy and misty are miles apart, that screams at me.. that they just didn’t have time or opportunity recently to get the true story together???
@rg, well if this were a true happening.. why wouldn’t their stories match?? wouldn’t be hard to both say.. Hey she fell in and drown..
But, one says joe held a knife at misty throat, the other says joe held a gun on me and threatened me and my family.. okay.. well was this before or after he grabbed Haleigh and ran out and harmed her?? Or was it when he and tommy took Haleigh and went out together to harm her? Its simple.. truth is easy to tell.
look at the reports/video/pics of Joe and his attorney today during the press conference. He is sooooo skinny. No way they are scared of him.
good possibility, rg. but with “homiciude” charges looming rather than accidental death , you’d think they’d talk by now. Plus would they really take her accidentall drowning and brick her to keep her under bcz a body floats and they would’ve found a “bricked” body by now. Maybe they got the idea of “bricking” the door from needing to go back and get a brick. or do you suppose they buried her elsewhere and are just having her point out where the accidental drowning happened to confirm both stories from Tommy and her. BTW, BB-12 .. whats a canard? LOL
tobias said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
It has been reported that Tommy was there on Monday. HLN said Tommy went there with LE and the PI
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I seen or heard that too.
If they bricked a bnody, any gator would’ve gotten to her and only the brick would be evidence with maybe a bit of the twine. I think its more likely they’re looking for a smaller item like a gun involved in the prescription drug ring that has part to do with dealers Ron owed money to.JMO.. Ok i’m out . bye for the night. I’m doing too much speculating now.
AS of 8:35pm the search is
STILL GOING ON IN THE RIVER.
LP is now on NG. He claims he got a copy of THE LETTER. Joe took HaLeigh. LP said HaLeigh was dead when they arrived and they Tommy and Joe disposed of the body. LP says Tommy fessed up Monday with his attorney as Tommy wife threatened him with divorce.
So was Tommy there or no? One says yes , one says no. Ok now i’m out!
Mel22 said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
….. BTW, BB-12 .. whats a canard? LOL
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Canard – false rumor
Jail house record show that Tommy met with attorney and law enforcement BUT no mention of leaving jail for a road trip.
WHAAAAT!!! thats too simple of an answer for all this . CRAZY !
LP says a lot of things. Remember all his truths during the Anthony case??? None of his truths ever panned out, EVER.
Between him, NG and Art—-what a mess.
Earlier today, Joe was interviewed by a Nashville TV station. He’s is living in the Nashville suburb of Antioch TN.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/23152983/detail.html
Mel22 said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
So was Tommy there or no? One says yes , one says no. Ok now i’m out!
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ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Nancy, I can tell you that the break in this case, as unlikely as it sounds, came from Misty`s brother, Tommy Croslin, and that in an interview that he had with a retired FBI agent, Steve Brown (ph), supposedly an investigator for his lawyer — Brown would not comment — but that he told him that is where they should look and that Tommy led detectives in the last couple of days to this spot on the river with Steve Brown and said that`s where they needed to go look, that this is where her body had been dumped.
Mel22 said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
If they bricked a body, any gator would’ve gotten to her and only the brick would be evidence with maybe a bit of the twine.
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Gators can NOT open their mouths under water. Water would RUSH in and joke them to death.
ALSO- if you weight a body down with a rope say on the legs or arms, when the flesh starts to deteriorate the rope slips off. A 50 pound child remains would consist of just bones all separated if left in the river not in a bag-container.
Pathetic this area was not searched a year ago IMO.
**choke
YES- twine- the yellow rope and brick would be
independent corroborating evidence.
.. just hey everyone. she was kilt.. then they took her to dump bcz he told them to go along with .. so we did bcz we’s not so smart… There’s more to this than what they’re telling…
BB-12 ok thanks i just looked it up on wikipedia. Ok now i’m out!
Tommy did go to the river the last two days and now they have brought Misty. So many different stories is throwing out there which we all dont know the truth yet. Alot of talk on NG on a deal that could possibly was made for her to come out and talk about what happened to Haleigh.
I sure hope and pray that answers will come to light.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/a/u/0/xldXFKeW7no
Grandmother was the tipster go watch.
ky mom said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Mel22 said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
So was Tommy there or no? One says yes , one says no. Ok now i’m out!
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ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Nancy, I can tell you that the break in this case, as unlikely as it sounds, came from Misty`s brother, Tommy Croslin, and that in an interview that he had with a retired FBI agent, Steve Brown (ph), supposedly an investigator for his lawyer — Brown would not comment — but that he told him that is where they should look and that Tommy led detectives in the last couple of days to this spot on the river with Steve Brown and said that`s where they needed to go look, that this is where her body had been dumped.
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ALL I am saying is I checked and Tommy did not leave the jail. I believe it was a simple misspoke….as in leading via a map verbal leading on a map BUT not physical in person.
Since we have the jail records that show one thing and Art saying another, I will try to verify with another source.
Your a saint for finding Art’s segment….
reader said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
LP says a lot of things. Remember all his truths during the Anthony case??? None of his truths ever panned out, EVER.
Between him, NG and Art—-what a mess.
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AMEN to that!!
when an alligator submerges, special flaps close off its nostrils and the back of its throat. Nostril flaps keep the alligator from breathing in water. The throat flap lets an alligator open its mouth to catch prey without swallowing water.
Attempt to pry open the alligator’s palatal valve, if your arms or legs are inside the alligator’s mouth. This valve is a piece of tissue that closes and prevents water from getting inside and drowning the animal when it goes under water with its mouth open. If you can open this, the alligator may release you once water enters its throat.
Gators can NOT open their mouths under water. Water would RUSH in and joke them to death.
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They can and do. They take the prey or part of it they can get and take it above water or to shore.
led them by map verbally and actually going there are two different things. I would like to know which one is correct and pls post a link if anyone has a report he actually went there.- Also i think as Crazy looking as Tommy is, if his wife threatened divorce he would sign just about anything, true or not , even though this last time around he said he wouldn’t.
Wonder if its an error on the jail site or has Mistys bond been lowered ?
I think she was sold to pay off a debt. I don’t think, no matter what kind of trash they may be construed as, that these people could actually get away with murder for a year. COME ONNNNN.
Someone would’ve cracked last year. But I think Haleigh was given to someone to pay off a debt. I believe she’s alive but about 1500 miles west in Texas. With a guy named David Knoxx.
They should polygraph them concerning that scenario.
Zelda said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Wonder if its an error on the jail site or has Mistys bond been lowered ?
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WHAT?
Now THE LETTER surfaces from none other than Leonard Padilla. Unbelievable. Poor Haleigh..Someone needs to tell the TRUTH and other needs to quit cashing in at the expense of this poor child and her family.
well , looks like they’ll be searching for a brick with rope attached then bcz there’s no way a body would remain in those waters all this time whether by predator or decay floating it away. The question now is will any brick they find match the ones used in the brickpile or the one on the door. Or was it just a random brick from elsewhere. Either way they are gonna be siitin for life bcz of the coverup.
Well now we know why Lindsy is using her maiden name on her my space. I just wonder why she said Tommy was with her the whole night? JMO
EXACTLY, Why would law enforcement make a copy of the confession and hand it off to padilla for. This is such a FARCE ! No way they’d hand out copies of this evidence to outsiders to talk about on a show for some quick cash. Give me a break !
LP said the letter is false in parts and he said he believes Haleigh was already dead when Tommy and Joe arrived. They just helped Misty hide her body. They also said LE was looking for yellow rope at Tommys MH. JMO
He confessed cuz she was gonna divorce him??? LMAO.
Like she wouldn’t divorce him anyway cuz he’s still going down for the drugs. Oh LP!
It’s like the Anthony case all over again with LP.
Why does NG’s producers let her get away with that crap?
Tommy was down at the dock a day before we all knew about the search. It was Sunday and Monday. So, obviously there would have been no helicopters overhead taking pictures of him there.
Misty was taken to the docks, not for publicity. This search cost hundreds of thousands of dollars! They are not going to do it for publicity. It’s for one goal…to find Haleigh or any evidence pertaining to the case! Obviously ,there is a lot we don’t know. Obviously, Misty has told them something about the dock also otherwise they wouldn’t bring her all the way down there to point.
Why is it so hard to believe that one of these idiots has started to crack? They are not criminal masterminds.
Oh that part I can believe, Lindsy has worked hard to make her life better and Tommy has just about ruined that with all of this. You can bet she wants this over with one way or the other so she can move on. She even said one of the boys is having problems. jmo
lulu, I agree and LE is working through the night now and last night they stopped. jmo bbl
And another thing, how do we really know they haven’t found anything? They are choosing their words carefully. They said yesterday that had not found Haleigh Cummings. They didn’t say they hadn’t found anything. today they said they hadn’t found any evidence. Doesn’t mean they didn’t find evidence yesterday.
Also a day after Haleigh was gone, Misty was on TV saying ” I woke up and she was gone” Maybe there is some truth to that. maybe by saying “gone” she means “dead” . Maybe she gave her something to help her sleep and it killed her and she saw that the child was “gone” and wanted to get rid of her so that she wouldn’t be in trouble. Just a thought.
Lindsy has her name as COLLINS on her myspace. Something is up with that…..
I think Linsy wanted to believe Tommy. I don’t think he physically hurt Haleigh, but surely his own wife couldn’t see it either. But she obviously is a lot smarter than her husband and his family. She has put two and two together and it’s not adding up. And of course detectives are talking to her and telling her what they know. They knew she could likely crack him.
Tommy now has a bond .
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CROSLIN, HANK THOMAS (W / MALE)
Status: In Jail Inmate Number: SJSO10MNI002272
Booking No: SJSO10JBN000333
Booking Date: 01/20/2010 22:36:33
Age On Booking Date: 23
Bond Amount: $7508.00
CELL Assigned:
Facility: SJSO
Address Given: 116 TYLER ST SATSUMSA FL 32189
CHARGES
STATUTE CASENO CHARGE DEGREE LEVEL BOND
893.135.1c1 CASE0001 (PUTNAM COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE) DRUGS-TRAFFIC F F $0.00
901.04 CASE0002 (ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE) OUT-OF-COUNTY WARRANT N N $5004.00
901.04 CASE0002 (ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE) OUT-OF-COUNTY WARRANT N N $2504.00
Tommy now has a bond .
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CROSLIN, HANK THOMAS (W / MALE)
Status: In Jail Inmate Number: SJSO10MNI002272
Booking No: SJSO10JBN000333
Booking Date: 01/20/2010 22:36:33
Age On Booking Date: 23
Bond Amount: $7508.00
Tommy now has a bond ?
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CROSLIN, HANK THOMAS (W / MALE)
Status: In Jail Inmate Number: SJSO10MNI002272
Booking No: SJSO10JBN000333
Booking Date: 01/20/2010 22:36:33
Age On Booking Date: 23
Bond Amount: $7508.00
I don’t believe misty wrote letters saying tommy and joe were there that night. All her outgoing letters are photocopied and screened for info. I believe LE has followed bad information…the fbi guy seems to be wrong so far.
Sorry for the triple post…..
THis is from pcso site
http://pcso.us/2010-4-14-a
KY
THANK YOU
Who is David Knox in Texas that someone mentioned here?
Thanks for the update Simon!
Now more than ever, I would love to hear the jailhouse tapes for the period of time that was scheduled to be released next. I think it would be most interesting to listen to Tommy and Lindsy’s conversations subsequent to his poly and Lindsy not being told by him, etc.
Any chance we will be seeing those tapes you said would be out on Tuesday Simon?
I realize you have been sidetracked with the latest news out of Satsuma, so just wondering if you can give us an idea of when they will be posted!
Thanks again!
So have any of you all had a DNA sample of your child taken so that if something horrible happens, the child can be identified?
In Art Harris’ latest post he writes about Haleigh, “At birth, a DNA sample was taken as a routine precaution, sources tell me, just for such a horrific event— to allow confirmation, or closure, of a parents’ worst nightmare, a missing or murdered child.”
NOBODY I know has ever even talked about this “routine precaution,” much less done it. And Crystal and Ron had the foresight to do this? Unbelievable crap.
It’s hard to say why they have her there. They could have her there to test her to see if she reacts and says something, could be anything. At this point they won’t get a conviction against Joe they need evidence the media level against Misty is so profoundly world wide that they will get a conviction on her. There seems to be a steady protective level around Tommy. LE has held him up publicly even publicly gave interviews basically thanking him for telling about Misty I don’t think they can escape that enough to get a conviction on him with out evidence. He could basically say anything and with out proof they have held him to high up and bashed her so much that with out evidence the only person who will be sentenced is Misty. On the Jury is human beings and media is huge in the minds of people and they have just held Tommy to high to get a conviction against him with out evidence. Haleigh was a child in a home that was her parents home, her biological family who were and are all adults. All knew the environment yet none are held accountable the only one focussed on and publicly paraded is Misty. With out evidence they won’t get anyone but her but it seems by their choices that is all they want. In the child’s case who was found in a cement case along a river not so long ago Police actually blocked air space. Le here in this case could do te same they keep Tommy out of the media and Misty in and with that they keep him out of accountability and jail and her in. In terms of consequences of actions LE knows what they are doing. They complain about media but do nothing to curb it they just keep putting on a show with the main and only person in it being Misty, the 17 year old babysitter, there are a lot of ways to go and that is one of them.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
And NG is calling for capital punishment of Misty Croslin?
Not the actual killer, Nancy? Wait, we don’t even have a body, or one shred of evidence, or anyone charged with anything regarding the missing child, Haleigh Cummings.
And you, Nancy Grace, want to hang Misty Croslin for not saying what, exactly?
Kate said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
So have any of you all had a DNA sample of your child taken so that if something horrible happens, the child can be identified?
In Art Harris’ latest post he writes about Haleigh, “At birth, a DNA sample was taken as a routine precaution,
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I asked in 1992 and was told NO, so I did my own……..in 2004 parents where given dna sample kits at a county fair to encourage taking a dna sample and fingerprints. MN does not take nor store DNA tests of newborn.
Remember Junior said a man in black took his sissy? Show him a picture of JOE?
BB12-Chris said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Kate said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
So have any of you all had a DNA sample of your child taken so that if something horrible happens, the child can be identified?
In Art Harris’ latest post he writes about Haleigh, “At birth, a DNA sample was taken as a routine precaution,
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I asked in 1992 and was told NO, so I did my own……..in 2004 parents where given dna sample kits at a county fair to encourage taking a dna sample and fingerprints. MN does not take nor store DNA tests of newborn.
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Ky does not store DNA of newborns.
BB-12, please clarify. “in 2004 parents were given dna sample kits at county fair…” Are you saying that Ronald and Crystal got a kit at a county fair?
I have been following this case all along,I”m so confussed I don”t know what to think. With Casey Anthoney I think she did it.
I mean, I could believe that there might be some of Haleigh’s dna in relation to her Turner’s syndrome, but I have never come across any parents who even talk about dna samples for future identification. And I talk to a lot of parents. We all know about the kits with the little booklet in which you put a photo and fingerprints and height and weight and eye and hair color, but dna samples in storage?
Misty was a minor when this happened so she could not get the death penalty if she were convicted.
As for Misty’s and Tommy’s bonds, those have been showing that amount for a long time. Tommy originally had a bond and then it was revoked but it never was taken off the booking info. Misty’s bond had increased when the two later charges were added, but the change in bond amount was never made to the booking info.
JMO
Nothing in this case surprises me anymore. I just hope they find Haleigh and find who is responsible.
robin said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Nothing in this case surprises me anymore. I just hope they find Haleigh and find who is responsible.
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I feel the same way.
GOODNIGHT EVERYONE>>>
I still don’t think it was Tommy, Misty or Joe that harmed Haleigh. I do think Ron knew what happened, but I don’t think he hurt her.
I think Misty was protecting someone, and it was not Tommy or Joe because she ratted them out from the get go.. All the weird behavior by Ron, TN and GGM’s do not add up with the story ending with Tommy and Joe being the only culprits..
No, I think they helped Misty cover up for someone close to Ron for Ron.
Nancy Grace is so infuriating. Did you see that she kept saying that Misty pointed to the water on the dock tapes? From what I have seen on all the tapes Misty never pointed to the water. NG always fabricates the stories. It’s really odd. Then at the end she gives prayers to RC and TN but not Halieghs entire family. So rude and nasty. Noticed AH wasn’t on tonight. What an irresponsible unprofessional jounalist he is. The Bald Truth – now that’s classy. His website and blog are horrible. Sorry – they both make me sick. But one thing I can say is that NG does keep the story alive. Maybe her outlandish tactics are for this reason. Art Harris has no exuse. he makes me sick. he has never brought one thing important to the story. just lies and heresay that has already been reported and for some reason chelsey and lindsey talk to him ad Leonard Padilla. Good job Art.
i have such a terrible feeling now. for some reason the image above really turned my stomach. maybe it’s just the odd bird’s-eye angle. i’m going to cry and be sick all at once, i think.
sorry – don’t mean to bash but I really think that Art Harris has hindered this case with his irresponsible jounalism. He is so self serving with his “you heard it hear on Art Harris exclusively” and then posts the script from the Nancy Grace show. Art – give us jounalism and open a barber shop for bald cuts called “The Bald Barber”
kitty kat:
I never saw Misty point, either. I thought maybe I had just missed it.
I just listened to NG on youtube and her reporting sounded more like a drama movie then a sad news story. I used to like listening to her but now I can’t stand listening to her voice. Get “real” Nancy!
NG lies about the pointing, didn’t happen.
LE fell for somebodys RED HERRING! This search will lead to NAUGHT!
OJ I actually agree with you for once! 😉 lol
13 News claims arrest imminent —
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/14/search_for_haleigh_intensifies_misty_on_the_scene.html
gonna be sick
NG always does that, like last night when she said the case was turned into a homicide case and it hasn’t yet according to LE. Nobody ever calls her on this. It’s odd. But she has kept the story alive nationally…so ok. I just don’t understand why anybody gives Art Harris the time of day. Can anybody out there tell me what Art Harris has done to help this case. He has never really brought a confirmed by LE “exclusive” he is not nationally recognized except for his appearances on the NG show and he is a joke. What does he do for a living? At least Leonard Padilla has a real job as a bounty hunter. Sorry I just really think that Art Harris has hurt LE’s case with his lies and irresponsible journalism in the name of making a name for himself.
Kate said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
BB-12, please clarify. “in 2004 parents were given dna sample kits at county fair…” Are you saying that Ronald and Crystal got a kit at a county fair?
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I was given the kit. ME. Carver County Fair, Minnesota. I still have it in my freezer.
OJ–I second that!
“reader”…. I wanted to thank you for the articles and information you have shared/posted on this thread, I meant to express my gratitude earlier, but got side tracked in all the different articles, stories, tales, opinions,etc,etc. Sincerely thank you so very much!!!
I don’t live in Florida and am not familiar with the laws, I ask or posted on the previous thread “IF it truly was MC on the dock, with LE interrogating her……. where was her attorney?? In my state unless she was cooperating 100% and willingly went with LE to assist in this endeavour, she could decline to go unless her attorney was also present and obviously the attorney could object..” Does anyone know if Florida’s laws are similar? Because I was beyond shocked she was there without legal representation. (just when I thought this case couldn’t get any more shocking)
Any input would be greatly appreciated!
Yep, we’re back at the pond at the Mondex. Nothing will come of all this money being spent, except that lots of people think that Haleigh is dead and it is Misty’s fault.
So we know for sure that Robert Fields, Misty’s attorney, isn’t in the picture? Probably not, but just checking.
kitty kat, sure do appreciate your comments about Art Harris. I am looking forward to the day that I don’t read his junk just because I am craving information about the case. It’s like junk food, not really food. His site is not really information.
It’s so hard to keep in mind that PCSO and Steve Brown haven’t said ANYTHING about Tommy/Joe/Misty, etc. regarding this current search. We don’t know why Misty was taken to the site.
It doesn’t make sense with the letter that Padilla has, which I assume is the same or similar to the one Levi Page read on NG yesterday… according to that letter, she wasn’t there, just Tommy. And Tommy doesn’t show having left the jail roster…
back at the Mondex.
I didn’t see misty’s lawyer on the dock either, hes like the Invisible Man representing misty..he hasn’t done a very good job or even a competent one imho.
i have no idea what Fields looks like. is there a picture or video somewhere, maybe?
damn..NG didn’t mention crystal in her farewell..shes vicious
Art Harris should open up a junk food store with an adjacent Bald Barber Shop. Actually I wanted to write something professional to him on his site about how I feel. Something more like constructive critisism but everytime somebody goes against his views/lies he jumps down their throats and humuliates them on the blog. And then he let’s complete weirdo’s post things (like weird poems) that have nothing to do with the case on his blog. this is my last post about how horrible I think Art Harris is. And this is after a year of observing this. I am just shocked that nobody else calls him out on this and the reason I am so outraged is because he cheapens the severity of this case. he is like the National Enquirer of such a serious case and issue. So horrible. if one person can tell me one thing that Art Harris has done to help this case…i.e. responisble jounalism, real leads given to LE, national attention…I will gladly stand corrected and apologize.
Fields needs a spokesperson out there defending misty in the media..NG and others are poisoning the jury pool..I believe misty told the truth..she woke up and haleigh was gone. It happened to polly klass and elizabeth smarts parents so it is possible.
Kittykat–I don`t think you will find any support for Art Harris. They only think he has done IMO is keep Haleigh`s case out there. But at whose expense? I think also he has cheapened the severity of this case, all for making a name for himself, and ratings for a show that he does not host. I think before this case is said and done there will be some lawsuits filed for slander against Nancy and him. JMO
BB12~~Chris~~
Gator’s have a palatal valve, both alligators and crocodiles can open their mouths under water without fear of drowning.
Where in the world did you learn they couldn’t?
Just curious.
OJ–I think Misty does need a spokesperson. Fields came out and said to look somewhere else besides Misty–yet he lets LE parade her in front of cameras/photographers and quite possibly a potential jury pool. I can guarantee this will not garner any sympathy for her, only make her seem guilty to some. What is his excuse for allowing this?
robin, Fields doesn’t understand how young and naive Misty is. Yes, she is street smart to some extent, but she doesn’t get all of the connections here, the big picture. Fields thinks that he can just say, “Misty, don’t say or do anything without me,” and poof, she’s quiet!
Like we heard on the jail tape, when PCSO led her to believe that Fields was part of the poly (presumably that was the situation she was talking about). She got into the room, he wasn’t there, then they guilt-tripped her about how they had it all set up and she had agreed to it and she couldn’t back out now.
It’s so sad.
kitty kat and robin, I’m wondering if Nancy Grace and Art Harris have really done HaLeigh Cummings any favor by promoting their version of her story. They have done very little to dispense actual information. Only time and truth will tell if they’ve done her any favors but I am doubtful.
One last post and then I’ll stop, I promise. I’m not convinced that Misty Croslin is telling the truth, not at all, but I am also not convinced that anyone else is, either.
My intention with the following comment isn’t to defend Fields. I personally have no stance on him one way or the other. To the best of my knowledge he is handling her case pro bono….I don’t see anyone else jumping up to defend Misty. My definite opinion is that Misty hasn’t exactly followed her attornies advice in the past. I feel the need to question if she was on that dock with his blessing?
Maybe they took Misty to the dock to give her a breath of the that free air to loosen up her lips. She probably enjoyed getting out of jail for a few hours and now that she is back…..
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/…the_scene.html
Posted a link here, if it is not showing up you might want to check back in a bit to see if it shows.
Says arrest is imminent and Misty will testify against the person in exchange for reduced drug charges.
http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-04-15/no-results-two-day-search-haleigh
Read this link about the grandmother. She says Sunday that Tommy and Misty called within fifteen minutes. HMMM Then she called LE.
THEN Chelsea calls and tells them where to look? Van damaged. Tommy said he didn’t know where she was dumped but they are searching the river. Timmy involved?
It does appear that Joe’s attorney does believe they got together to blame him. In one of Tommy’s calls, he tells his wife that Misty’s attorney wanted to have a meeting with him. HMMM
They will never be credible in court. I think this deserves an article in itself.
So it was a tip from the grandmother and Chelsea within 24 hours and NOT the PI who claims he “solved the case”.
Well, I really have no opinion on anything right now, just taking all this in; Lindsey replacing her married name on myspace, yellow rope, Tommy’s anger in those last tapes we all listened to, watching Joe with his lawyer today, I just want to scream this to you all: I want to know what happened to that girl and the suspense is killing me.
I think the word whodunit is dated, but this is one whopper of a whodunit.
It is nice to wait with you all, as that is what we are all doing now.
God Bless.
Just now catching today’s NG, in her opening statement about Misty being rousted out to the river, you can actually see the foam oozing down her chin.
Maybe Misty’s attorney jumped ship like Tommy’s attorney did. It was odd that he let her go out to the dock without him. I think somethings may be up with Misty. She may have made a deal already, so Fields isn’t worried.
Lynny:
LOL: I agree. NG acts like she personally hates Misty and Crystal. She is so mad because she can’t figure out a way to give Misty the death penalty. Wow! She needs to get a grip.
Kate…follow me on twitter….I have posted multiple reports where STeve Brown talked about his involvement with htis search..
Also Misty pointing at River bank could just mean her pointing to where she was told Haleigh was put or speculation as to where she might be….not necessarily guilt.
Even deputies quoted as saying CREDIBLE TIP.
I know it’s not the news we all were hoping for but it is what it is.
Now Tommy is getting bonded out so you can BET he sung like a canary and he isn’t implicated…
Well, is that really Misty? Yeah, sandals and socks, that’s Misty! Sorry, I couldn’t resist that one. I’ll be nice.
Now reports from reliable news sources (First Coast, Jax4, Etc) say it’s a war of the finger pointing between the cousins.
Steve Brown said in his interview in the 10 months of investigation he didn’t find any evidence to suggest Ron was involved.
CS either….
Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt…apparently it flows right through Putnam County as well.
Karon, how do you know that Fields “let” Misty go to the dock without him? They ask Misty, not him, if she will go to the dock. Read Katfish post, she says it well.
HollysGmom, yes, I understand, whatever Steve Brown learned and said led to this search. We just don’t know if it involves Tommy and Joe, do we?
HollysGmom, lol, love your post about Denial running through Putnam County. Flooding it, I would say.
Good night, all. Love you guys. If it wasn’t for this forum I would be locked up in the nuthouse.
Kate:
I know Misty has a mind of her own. Remember that audio where her father lectured her about talking to LE without a lawyer. I think Misty has been under so much pressure, she just may not care, anymore. I know I would have been beat down by this point.
TC is getting bonded out???
I think Fields allowed it because it was supposed to clear her of any wrong doing other then keeping quiet about the abductor. Why wouldn’t he allow it if it was going to ultimalely clear her of Haleigh’s murder, and only implicate her in possible child endangerment or hampering the investigation.
Yes.
Lindsy Croslin’s MS says so
PCSO website says he needs $1500. to be out and on the streets…
Think LC has that much left? Will LP offer to help?
I’m expecting to hear on the news in the AM that TC has been sprung.
Kate
I agree with you 100%.
I have absolutely no faith in LE in that area and I find the man standing next to Misty to be in her space and those hands all over is distracting and aggressive. I hope these guys are not holding weight in Tommy and lift him to high heaven again, but it would not surprise me if they let him off to get a charge on Misty. They seem to like him and want to help him get out and I don’t trust them for it. After Jessica Lunsford I don’t put past Florida LE letting people go even in a child murder.I am unable to believe in them in any way what so ever after that case.
How will they ever try anybody in this case? They all lie so much! How would you like to be on that jury? If they don’t have any physical evidence, how will they ever try this case? Of course, we don’t know what they have.
This is getting bad tonight. I am starting to answer my own questions. LOL I have been on this case all day, and it is getting to me.
Carl Brown, who lives in the neighborhood,said Misty Croslin, “used to live two blocks from here” with her parents. (St. John’s River search area)
Brown said another resident told him he saw Croslin carrying a trash bag nearby in the days after Haleigh was reported missing.
About 7:30pm, The C.A. Pound Human Identification Laboratory, which provides “forensic anthropology services for medical examiners and coroners.” LEFT the search site.
SOURCE: PALATKADALYNEWS.COM FLORIDA April 14, 2010
HGM…he’s not in Putnam. He’s in St. Johns.
I’m confused now.
well, it is too early for me to be certain TC is soon to be on the street, but if he is, I already like him a lot better!
Lindsey posted on FB that Tommy is coming home soon.
T did say on video that LE had told him if he told what he knew all charges against him would go away.
I wonder if he is going to live with Lyndsay, since her family doesn’t seem to want him or the Croslin’s there.
About 7:30pm, The C.A. Pound Human Identification Laboratory, which provides “forensic anthropology services for medical examiners and coroners.” LEFT the search site.
SOURCE: PALATKADALYNEWS.COM FLORIDA April 14, 2010
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Wasn’t that reported yesterday and was there IN CASE they found remains? Makes sense after reading all the other garbage and innuendos. They could also help identify animal bones instead of human bones on site and no need to send them off to a lab.
those two wide bodies were ‘BULLYING’ misty!!!..
where was her incompetent drunken lawyer?
in a stupor?
Why would they leave without finding anything??
Why would TC’s bond suddenly re-appear?
Seems too coincidental
I wouldn’t want Tommy living close to me with those breaking and entering charges he has against him. I hope he can stay off of the drugs, now, that he has been off this long.
Is Lindsy’s myspace page the only source on this right now?
CROSLIN, HANK THOMAS (W / MALE)
Status: In Jail Inmate Number: SJSO10MNI002272
Booking No: SJSO10JBN000333
Booking Date: 01/20/2010 22:36:33
Age On Booking Date: 23
Bond Amount: $7508.00
CELL Assigned:
Facility: SJSO
Address Given: 116 TYLER ST SATSUMSA FL 32189
2 Out of County Warrents:
Bond on first is $500 2nd is $250…..
$1516.00 and TC is SPRUNG!!!
Not that hard for him to come up with $1516….
LE said they had found some physical evidence and had a tipser come forward that warranted this search. Now they are acting like they found nothing during the search. I wonder just what was found.
Misty’s Bond still $1.5 million
Same link for ST johns…Search by Cummings.
Lyndsy’s MS PLUS the fact that ONLY $1500 will get him out! LP will probably put it up for him.
wrong karon..you don’t BLUFF when you have this must invested..LE found nothing.
IIRC, the old posts say they were looking for physical evidence. Is there a link that they found physical evidence? The link says that Chelsea contacted them to look there right after Tommy and Misty within fifteen minutes called the Grandmother.
The older posts also say that the bond for Tommy has always stated that.
O.J.
LE has bluffed and lied from the start on this. They said they found something the evening before the search. Either they did or they lied. I am not saying they did. They are saying they did.
OJ….why did TC’s bond suddenly show up, just as told it would should TC give LP or investigators the info they wanted? Why7 would Misty have to prove her claims but TC wouldn’t have to? Doesn’t compute.
HGM, if that is accurate it means TC’s drug charge has been dropped. He only has the 2 B&Es. Right?
Yes there are links where LE said they found evidence…YESTERDAY”s reports….pretty much all day yesterday
Today…they state no evidence…today
That’s why the conflicting reports.
Misty at site, TC rumored to be at site Mon or Tues LE rushing to TN to talk to JO….they never did that before when Misty made false claims so why now???
If TC is being released right now I bet Lindsey’s grandparents are already talking to cops about being on standby.
I have no idea hgm..remember chelsy saying to tommy ” jus call him” (LP)..could be a factor.
Yes and they called the family in. They have something other than one person’s word.
I wonder if they have dropped the breaking and entering and the gun theft charges, too.
Misty at site, TC rumored to be at site Mon or Tues LE rushing to TN to talk to JO….they never did that before when Misty made false claims so why now???
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They have to follow up on leads or later down the road it will come up in court and could lead to an appeal in someone’s case.
No, charges not dropped, just bond returned to him….since he gave them what they wanted.
He still has to pay the $750 down (10%) plus the $500 (or maybe $50) and the $250 (Maybe $25)
So between $825 and $1500 is all it takes for him to be home with Lindsy & kids (Or where ever since Lyndsy’s Gparents won’t allow TC at her new place. LP might even help with that. (New place)
Karon said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:01 am Yes and they called the family in. They have something other than one person’s word.
I’m not to sure, theres pressure on LE too, they may have jumped the gun on this one.
Surely one of the out of town warrents was the B & E’s….but not sure.
As far as I can see nothing has changed for TC re bond. It has always shown that $7508 amount. I still see 3 charges listed, the 2 B&E’s and the one drug charge. Sure, that could change by morning…but right now it’s what I see.
I wish I knew if they called Chuck’s tonight…
O.J.
I will give you that one. I am not sure, but something is in the air. They had to have something to have such a massive, expensive search.
Heck…I onder if TC even knows yet? Wouldn’t that be something, if we knew it before he did?
If charges are dropped he could go wherever…if he is bonded out doesn’t he have to stay in the county?
cathartic….in the St John’s county log under bond it used to say -0- now it has a number…how can you say it alway’s had that number…no it didn’t until today.
Even Simon & TJ wrote articles about it….WITH SCREEN CAPS
Yes…Can not leave Putnam, since he will have to bond out of ST John’s first and Putnam last unless they do it concurrently…all together bond for all charges. Putnam is his home county so Putnam is where he will remain until trial or case(s) closed
So, TC gets bonded out but not Misty? Was the article about her testifying in exchange for reduced charges bogus? I am not familiar with the source, so it may be.
agreed karon..something BIG set them off..
brown, tommy, misty??..remains to be seen.
Sorry, not trying to yell…just confounded as to why no one else was talking about the bond issue before today if it always stated a bond before…
Cathartic:
You are probably right. Lisa had to say in the county.
The original tip came from a woman named Flora Hollers in Tenn. She is the Grandmother of Joe Overstreet and Tommy Croslin, as they are cousins.She reported that she received a call from Tommy on Sunday and he told her” he just couldn’t hold it in much longer.” She told Tommy he may as well tell her because she knew what he was going to say, and inquired if Joe “did it”.Tommy replied “yes”.Mrs. Hollers then reported the conversation to the authorities.Details are sketchy at best, and not many match except both Tommy and Misty claim Joe took Haliegh from the home when efforts to steal a gun belonging to Ron failed..Does that make sense? No..The drug angle makes no sense either, we aren’t talking a big drug cartel here, at best a few prescriptions worth of pills! The drugs have no part in this!Unless you are including Misty’s appetite for them.The”drug sting” was no more than a tool used to put the press on Misty. The others were collateral damage in that mess.There are 2 theories, the first being Joe took the child and she’s now in the river, the other is that somehow, something happened to the child and Misty recruited help from Tommy and Joe to hide the evidence..makes you wonder about the letter written from that female friend of Misty’s from jail some months ago about Haleigh accidentally taking oxycontin resulting in an overdose…If you recall back in the very beginning it was Misty that put the police on Joe’s trail to start with, she didn’t seem afraid of him then!And while making any assesment of things it’s important to remember Tommy’s wife said her van she loaned Misty had been moved sometime during the night..It was parked in a different spot.It was reported that Crystal Sheffield screamed “joe killed my baby” as they was leaving the family meeting this morning.Now, what do you think happened?
OK HGM calm down…I’m not arguing, I’m asking.
They wouldn’t be letting tommy out if they thought or had any proof he may have harmed that little angel. So, that wld cross him off the list to me unless this is some planned adventure by LE to stir misty somehow. He gave them something serious.
Asking cjoe questions based on what tommy must have said means to me they were confirming something.
Were close to a big break it feels like.
Just because they haven’t arressted cjoe doesn’t mean they won’t and they are not watching him. They need some forensic proof of some kind to go along with whatever they(LE) think happened that night based on witness, either tommy or misty or both.
No there was an article saying that about Misty, just too much involvement for her to get sweet deal like TC? IDK, just specualting and thinking aloud.
cathartic…I’m sorry….not trying to be ugly…just my head spun for a minute….wondering if maybe it had been like that….
It’s been a crazy 2 days…
jaba;
I agree….Looking like TC & JO might get minor issue but Misty taking the hard fall…I guess we will see…
messenger18: wrong about the part crystal screaming..she (supposedly) called a friend and said that. But your theory is as good as others I’ve read.
HGM: You are a lot better at sleuthing than I am, which is why I was asking you to clarify (for me). I’ve checked from time to time to see that all were still in jail and I always saw that $7508 on TC’s info. It was there in the beginning and then his bond was revoked but that amount always remained listed. That’s why I was asking how we know he now has a bond. But if LC says it, it must be true.
on the bond issue..could it be two different counties? in one he has a bond in the other he has a hold? Thieft in one county and who knows what in the other?
I was thinking it might be JO taking the big fall. TC loves his sister. You can see it in him. If he gave anybody up, I would think it would be JO.
Did any of you see the two little snippets of JO’s interview?
karon: remember tommy telling his wife “they want me to say joe did it and I’m not going to do it”? guess what…he did..played the get out of jail card.
cathartic…sorry…I only saw it at -0-…so the $7508 ws news to me…
Karon: I did… just the end where he hangs his head and cries about losing his family members and lawyer finishing statements.
I’m just wondering if JO’s DNA was on Misty’s clothes from that night…LE took all of their stuff…JO, TC, Misty, Ron, not sure who else but sure of those four people.
So if Misty’s story were true, even if she changed her clothes before LE arrived…not to be gross…but DNA should stil be present, at least some.
James Werter said “I no longer represent Tommy Croslin on issues regarding Haleigh Cummings. I continue to represent him in his criminal cases.”
Maybe Tommy’s lawyer, James Werter, stopped representing Tommy in the HaLeigh Case because Tommy received immunity? If not I doubt Tommy will be released until LE gets what they want. IMO.
Misty naming Joe in the beginning as a person of interest etc… and now after many failed polygraph’s claims Joe is the kidnapper. PFFFTTTT IMO.
Waiting over a year and the fact Misty did not call 911 until Ron came home from work….. I need more independent corroborating evidence that does not include phone calls to Grandmother Flo Hollars.
Misty has flunked several polygraphs, and Tommy failed his last Thursday. Now we are suppose to believe this lead Tommy to confess he’d not only been there, but accompanied Joe to the river bank where they disposed of HaLeigh.
Where back to day 2… all lies with Misty
Seriously…no one can justify not having Moral Courage. They all are culpable IMO. Silence is not an excuse.
Looks to me like TC has bond on both of theft charges but not on the drug charge. However, he did say on video that LE had told him the drug charge would be dropped if he told what he knew about Haleigh. So, maybe that’s what’s going to happen.
Hollys Gmom said,
“So if Misty’s story were true,”
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HGM..first find out if the LETTER is true (rape) then decide if her story is true..
I believe the “letter” is bogus myself
bb12..its spelled “lays”..
sorry, a pet peeve of mine
like your and you’re
LE would have to have more than just MC’s or TC’s word to file murder charges on any one. They have all lied so much, and their word wouldn’t stand up in court.
Makes me sick thinking a person who disposed of a child’s body and stayed mute about it for over a year would be given immunity. Not saying he did, but IF he did…
karon: define “stand up in court”.. it all depends on the 12 yahoos on the jury..the OJ jury in particular were the 12 stupidest people on the planet..at this stage if I were a juror I would find misty NOT GUILTY!
OJ’s glove said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 1:41 am
bb12..its spelled “lays”..
sorry, a pet peeve of mine
like your and you’re
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Where back to day 2… all lies with Misty
ITS A PUN….Misty LIES is a LIAR…..truth lays with Misty….Lies with Misty…JOKE….
lol,, good one bb12
I think they took Misty there to try and jog her memory, since it is so drug clouded. I think she was so high that night that she can’t recall most of it. However, either Haleigh was thrown in that river after she died or put in a container maybe, and that might be the evidence? Could be a gun at the bottom of the river too. At any rate, it is a huge coverup for sure. They all need to go down for it.
robin said,in April 14th, 2010 at 6:50 pm Texasmommy–Amen..Something certainly stinks, and it just isn`t the water. Parading Misty in front of the media at an “alleged crime scene” is nothing more than a publicity stunt. I was suspicious before, now, I am downright disgusted by the lengths LE is going to convict these people in the court of public opinion. Where is the evidence?
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Great post and I agree.
OJ’s glove said,in April 14th, 2010 at 10:02 pm Fields needs a spokesperson out there defending misty in the media
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I sooo agree. Joe’s lawyer did a good job of publicly defending him today.
WTH is up with Tommy’s lawyer…telling the world his client was taking a ldt? Then setting him up to do it with someone who worked for the Sheffields? Is this guy really a defence lawyer?
Have you guys seen Lindsy’s post? RadioNewz tweeted them to me….Then there’s some tweets by The_Red_Rose… OMG!!!
http://bit.ly/a19yQU
Tweets by The_Red_Rose
The_Rose_Red Like I said earlier..What I heard 2day is from a diff person than I had previously bN told info reg the pond drain search & Tommys admission
So I hear Haleigh came to ingest some drugs/pills that evening & her body reacted..Misty discovered her in this condition & contacted Tommy
Tommy was accompanied by Joe when he came over to the house..It was decided that they would dispose of Haleigh even though she as I
understood it was not dead to due the ingestion of the drugs..She was taken to the dock, slaughtered, & put into the water..
So ofcourse I asked the obvious question being WHY would Misty be fearful of calling 911 if Haleigh had taken pills/drugs..Likely would’ve
been Rons drugs/pills.. No answer obviously, how could they know.. Then I went on to ask well, WHY would Tommy & or Joe be willing to
commit murder for a situation in which they were called to & not apart of ?.. No answer.. Was Tommy & Joe there w/ Misty instead of her –
calling them to come over ? .. No Answer.. I asked questions that this person couldn’t answer due 2 havIN told me all that they knew.
The info this person offered was not the result of any theories..It is said 2 B what was relayed 2 the families when they were called 2 PCSO
I eluded to but not clearly stated how she died..They did tell me what was alleged to have occured to Haleigh, but MYSELF NOT KNOWING 4 a
FACT & CERTAIN if this is infact what took place on that dock I just don’t really want to say..I wouldn’t have posted this AT ALL if I
had ANY REASON to believe that this “story” isn’t atleast what has sparked the search for Haleigh whether it in the end be the EXACT
& account of what happened that night or not..That’s what a trial is 4 but I do tend to believe that this is what has this search rollin
Tuesday being told about Tommys admissions & being brought down to the water have been proven to be the truth..Today hearing that Misty is
also apart of Haleighs disappearence,not only Tommy & Joe, have also IMO been proven due to the fact she was brought to the dock 2 “point”
My only intention in postN what I’ve been told is 2 inform ya’ll, like myself, who have been waitIN EVERY SINGLE DAY since this began 4 news
SO anyone following me or just stopping in for a second to read can take it or leave it..I’m not going to debate it w/ anyone..Opinions Vary
Unfortunately the only comfort after having bIN told the alleged truth is that Haleigh was not aware of what was happening 2 her~Bless Her ♥
Lindsy Says:
“Tommy was in bed that night–minus the time needed to attempt to steal Rob’s gun and to watch Joe kill and throw Haleigh into the river. But, besides that, he was in bed sleeping. So leave him out of all of this!”
Is she for real???
Karon said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:01 am Yes and they called the family in. They have something other than one person’s word.
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I’m not so sure. Maybe they did it because they messed up the family re the Mondex search by lying to them and pretending it wasn’t about Haleigh, only for them to find out from the press that it was. I think that’s all that it may be about…making sure the family doesn’t find out through the press again.
Hollys Gmom said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:09 am cathartic….in the St John’s county log under bond it used to say -0- now it has a number…how can you say it alway’s had that number…no it didn’t until today.
Even Simon & TJ wrote articles about it….WITH SCREEN CAPS
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When was Tommy in court to have it changed?? Has anyone checked the court records? It could only have been changed by a judge…the police don’t have the power to change it.
You guys are forgetting that MC is a total liar and she has them down there looking in the wrong place and blaming the wrong guy…just trying to help herself …once again..bet they don’t find a thing..
It may be that the charge that he was bail refused on has now been resolved by Putnam County Court…once he’s sentenced, the bond goes away. The only charge he was refused bond on was the old charge that he was bonded out on when he was arrested on these charges.
robin said,in April 14th, 2010 at 6:41 pm I think Misty being there is for one reason-public persecution. She could have corroborated anything said in the comforts of her jail cell, not on the scene in from of tv cameras/photographers. I cannot believe her lawyer would agree to parade her in front of the media like this. Something stinks here..I thought the original tip came from Tommy, yet he has not showed up at the scene.
yes he was there on Sunday and Tuesday!
According to the Putnam County Court Records, Tommy DOES NOT HAVE A BOND for his grand theft charge from September. His bond was revoked and still is.
OJ’s glove said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:24 am on the bond issue..could it be two different counties? in one he has a bond in the other he has a hold? Thieft in one county and who knows what in the other?
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Yes. The grand theft charge from September in PUTNAM COUNTY still has him as bond revoked on that charge. It is in Court again on the 13th of May. He always had bond on the other charges….no change. Someone just forgot to check Putnam County Court Records before they declared he got a bond on that charge.
They had Misty’s letter on NG last night.
OJ’s glove said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:46 am karon: define “stand up in court”.. it all depends on the 12 yahoos on the jury..the OJ jury in particular were the 12 stupidest people on the planet..at this stage if I were a juror I would find misty NOT GUILTY!
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I would too. In a second. There isn’t one of them in this whole mess that they appear to have any real evidence on (at least that we know of)….just gossip and innuendo. I wish they’d bring in new LE. Perhaps if this search amounts to nothing they will???
How could Misty marry Ron. She knew exactly what happened to Haleigh. She is sick and needs some sorta mental help. I mean really think about it she probably held Ron every night while he was crying for his daughter. And she just pretended not to know anything. If cousin Joe did threaten her then why not tell Ron when he came home it just doesn’t add up. JMO
I don’t think Joe did anything.
Hmm said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 5:25 am
You guys are forgetting that MC is a total liar and she has them down there looking in the wrong place and blaming the wrong guy…just trying to help herself …once again..bet they don’t find a thing..
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You are probably right.
I really don’t think Joe did anything. JMO
ky mom,
Why are you certain Misty knows what happened? Nancy didn’t seem to have the actual letter…whatever she had was typewritten, and I doubt Misty typed a letter. I just don’t trust NG at all.
OJ’s glove said, in April 14th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
“Fields needs a spokesperson out there defending misty in the media..NG and others are poisoning the jury pool..I believe misty told the truth..she woke up and haleigh was gone. It happened to polly klass and elizabeth smarts parents so it is possible.”
Then please explain the failed polygraphs.
Life’s a B –
I don’t know if M is lying or not but polygraphs are not dependable which is why they are not admissable in court as evidence. For example, Ted Bundy PASSED one!
You might be interested in googling polygraphs or Lie Detector Tests and learning something about them.
Life’s a B,
Jessica Lunsford’s grandfather also failed his polygraph and was treated as LE’s #1 suspect.
Please explain that.
LE don’t even use LDTs where I live. They seem to do more harm than good in investigations. I wonder if they would have found Jessica in time if her grandfather hadn’t failed his.
I really hope that if this search fails, they bring a new team of LE in to investigate this case. How did that happen in Jon Bonet’s case? Why can’t it happen here?
Hollys Gmom said, in April 15th, 2010 at 4:52 am
Lindsy Says:
“Tommy was in bed that night–minus the time needed to attempt to steal Rob’s gun and to watch Joe kill and throw Haleigh into the river. But, besides that, he was in bed sleeping. So leave him out of all of this!”
Where did this quote come from?
me said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 6:41 am
ky mom,
Why are you certain Misty knows what happened? Nancy didn’t seem to have the actual letter…whatever she had was typewritten, and I doubt Misty typed a letter. I just don’t trust NG at all.
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What if that was actually what she wrote. Would you think she is still innocent?
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/14/search_for_haleigh_intensifies_misty_on_the_scene.html
GO check it out.
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it reads , the cousin of M.C. Joe Overstreet….
investigators think ‘he’is the key to solving the case , read on ,,,,very interesting if true,,,????
SATSUMA — Investigators said an area of the St. Johns River where they have been searching for Haleigh Cummings is being considered a crime scene.
CFnews13
News 13 learned Wednesday through a source close to the investigation that an arrest could come soon.
Hi Buddy , tks for that I went to check ,, yes , why are they calling it a [Crime scene]? wonder what information they have or found?
an arrest soon , ???? wonder [who] there seems to be so many involved ,,
Karon said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:07 am O.J.
I will give you that one. I am not sure, but something is in the air. They had to have something to have such a massive, expensive search.
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Remember the had a massive, expensive search last year in Baker County “to leave no horse unturned”.
I have trouble believing that after 14 months they are trying to find something as small as a gun. I guess it could have gotten tangled up in some underwater vines or whatever, but I don’t know. If they find anything still there that small I would be surprised. If they want to really get things stirred up, they should take some heavy duty crane with a giant claw and just tear into the bottom of this river.
I’m thinking that this may actually end up as a goose chase with nothing found. Hate to say it but thats the vibe I’m getting.
I think that alot of the news outlets are putting stuff out there just because LE is not talking and everyone is taking it as true. jmo
BarbyD, You’re welcome. As far as who will be arrested soon, I hate to speculate any more on this case, it has so many twists and turns and liars. Who knows?
14 months ago … the area should have been searched ” why wait for spring do it now”
its imminent, A sourse close to the case, an arrest in the Cummings’ case is Imminent,
also, Authorities are now calling the area [A Crime Scene)
yes, we will just need to wait & see, tks buddy
I kinda agree poohpig – it seems just slightly more real than the pond blow up, but I’m not sure they are getting anywhere either. You have to ask yourself though, why a boat ramp? If it’s just a body (and I hate saying that), or even just a gun, you don’t need a boat ramp for that.
So, whatever happened w/Tommy’s bond?
Shockwave…..my question is this….IF and IF someones is rolling over and telling what happened….what if they don’t find the “evidence” they are looking for? These people are known liars so it’s not like you can prosecute on hearsay.
Today’s Palatka Daily News Headlines
Published: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:12 AM EDT
GRANDMOM: MISTY CROSLIN NOT TELLING ALL SHE KNOWS.
I agree Shockwave , I believe if a body was thrown in these merky waters , it would be a miracle to retrieve it ,, or anything , 14 months??
Hey! we dont need a Body to make an arrest,,,
those two wide bodies were in misty’s space..
thats not interrogation.. its INTIMIDATION!!
Hopefully & I pray, she is not gone forever , it doesn’t look good . such a beautiful little girl,
TexasMommy:
That search wasn’t anything as massive as this search.
LOL! OJ’s thanks for the laugh! Good morning sunshine!
No really though, define personal space. Also how can her “personal space” have been violated when it seems ol Misty is willingly agreeing to being there, on the small confines of that dock, supposedly aiding in the investigation?
I have to ask does it not seem a little hinky that CS and CO. can find possible crime scense before LE and CS and CO. seems to have the ability to get a story before LE as well.
Man in Blk took my sissy
Search at the church (evidence linking Nay Nay and Amber)
Now the Shell Harbor search.
Tommy,Misty and joe did it.
LE had Misty and Tommy locked up since Jan. and they couldn’t break them, but, some PI working for Crystal could. WTH?
If Steve Brown has solved this case as he stated…why have people not been charged with Haleigh’s murder? I just don’t understand this.
BarbyD said, in April 15th, 2010 at 8:31 am
“I agree Shockwave , I believe if a body was thrown in these merky waters , it would be a miracle to retrieve it ,, or anything , 14 months??
Hey! we dont need a Body to make an arrest,,,”
Hey Barby, learn how to use punctuation correctly.
If Haleigh had been assaulted at the dock or even assaulted prior to being taken to that dock isn’t it possible that there would be some type of dna evidence found at the scene?
Might that be why LE now apparently considers it an “official” crime scene? hmmm.
okie222 at 9:02 am You asked: “If Steve Brown has solved this case as he stated…why have people not been charged with Haleigh’s murder? I just don’t understand this.”
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I guess because he “solved it” (by saying something like “so and so did it”) but LE needs evidence to show that it’s the correct solution (in order to arrest and prosecute someone). LOL!
Apparently Misty is going to testify against the one who did it for a reduce sentence on her drug charges. Wow….. Misty didn’t do it and is not being charged!
Misty is in the clear, supposedly.
Tommy’s bond is set now on the drug charges.
Joe claims he is innocent.
Who is to be arrested?
OHHH WELLL!!!!@ 9:03am .. maybe you can teach me hahahaha!!!!!
OHHH WELLL!!!!@ 9:03am .. maybe you can teach me hahahaha!!!!!
OHHH WELLL!!!!@ 9:03am .. maybe you can teach me hahahaha!!!!!
Evidence exposed to the elements for over a year?
Misty is got a deal for a reduced sentence to testify against the abductor.
Tommy’s bond has been set on his drug charges, seems to me he is not going to be arrested.
Joe claims he is innocent.
SO WHO IS LE GOING TO ARREST???????
“Texasmommy39 said,in April 15th, 2010 at 9:35 am Evidence exposed to the elements for over a year?”
Good question TM39. So if that were the case then there would have to have been good quality DNA found which is unlikely but not completely impossible.
Then I consider also other possible means of the determination used to consider that area a crime scene which then brings me to wonder if it is based on attestant testimony alone or?
m2c♥ said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 4:52 am
JB – I’m referring to the year long campaign to place blame on R when people should have been looking at ALL theories! Including SOs and BioMom’s side. And MG DID orchestrate a smear campaign – it is documented and some bloggers who participated in it have had the decency to apologize for it.
Spending a year plus beating up Haleigh’s father while ignoring or whitewashing info about her mother was not right. I don’t care where she disappeared from. How many examples do you need of kids who were kidnapped from right under their parents’ noses?
Trying to justify that kind of unrelenting cruelty is pathetic.
_______________________________ AND MY RESPONSE TO YOU IS……….
m2c – I believe people have expressed concern that Crystal has custody of Jr, thank you very much but this is the HALEIGH CASE we are discussing. If at some point Jr. goes missing from Crystal’s home then I can assure you she will come into focus during the JR CASE…but until such time, I choose to focus on the HALEIGH CASE which took place AT RON’S HOUSE, WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND.
And I have stated NUMEROUS times before…I do NOT fault a parent if they take every precaution to protect their children… accidents happen, kids get hurt, and pedophiles will lure them, abduct them, assault them, etc… BUT when a parent takes part in risky behavior which endangers their child then I DO have a problem with that.
EXAMPLE: In one case you have a parent (the average NORMAL parent) buying a trampoline for their child and sending them out to play on it…..one child falls off, breaks their arm….I do not fault the parent.
In THIS case you have a parent (RON) buying their child a trampoline and setting it in the middle of a busy road, lighting it on fire, handing their child a fist full of sharp knives and sending them out unsupervised to play on it and they DIE…..I DO fault the parent. It is apples and oranges m2c and surely even YOU can see that.
Hypothetically speaking, if and I do mean “if” this is all based on attestant testimony and say it is possible that there is no evidence found (and we all know that LE has a duty to search the water and other possible areas extensively based on what is now being alleged by alleged eye witnesses.) Then imagine how much time, energy, tax payer dollars has been wasted on a potentially bogus claim.
Not to forget mention the emotional strain this has all caused.
Is it possible that this search is all a hoax being orchestrated by the ones who are making the allegations?
I want to have this version of events correct.
According to this Steve Brown who shared with Art Harris or someone affiliated with Art Harris
Tommy and Joe went to the home looking for a gun when they could not find it Tommy left and he has not a clue what happened after that. Joe then either because of the gun or an earlier humiliation by Ronald, Joe held a knife at Misty’s throat took Haleigh and then killed her. Everyone stayed silent and Joe what caught up with Tommy to threaten him later? Thats the story?
I think they are just telling that ridiculous account to cover up the actual events to maintain integrity in the investigation, there is no way someone could believe that. JMHO
Yeah coulda figured this one out. Thankfully one of these drug addicted losers came forward so this beautiful child can be put to rest the way she should be. In my opinion these pieces of white trash wastes of space and existance need to be shot in the head and dumped in a sewer. I hope the whole lot of em end up behind bars. Especially Misty, and Ron for leaving those children under her supervision. Ron is no man, none of them are human, just a bunch of self centered drug addicted losers who don’t deserve the breath that is inside of them.
Oh well, if you did not come on here to be productive in the missing Haleigh case then high tail it on over to the Nerd Squad website where they love to criticize people’s grammar and think it’s neat. Here, all we care about is Haleigh.
Tuff… my gut says it is legit. I don’t think LE would have wasted all this energy if they didn’t have something already in hand to back it up. This is an ALL OUT search. It could just be wishful thinking but I truly believe this is it and we will have answers soon. I think this has been LE’s suspicion all along and the reason for the drug sting….it was a way for LE to seperate these people and put pressure on them to spill the beans. Everyone complained about LE doing it but I for one thought it was smart. These people just made it easy for LE because they can’t stay out of trouble. I believe LE’s plan worked. I think they’ve had bits and pieces of evidence all along that we didn’t know about and now all the pieces are coming together. They may not find Haleigh….are much of her as horrid as that sounds. Alligators, turtles, fish, currents, muck and mire..not to mention 14 months….it doesn’t bode well for LE finding much but I think they’ll have plenty even without a “body”….I hope so anyway. JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!
DustyRose
Actually it’s been reported that the GrandMother made the tip based on two calls from Misty and Tommy Sunday night. Supposedly they called her during a fifteen minute span. It’s also reported that Timmy’s wife then made a call and told them to look near the river. it’s said this happened after Tommy told his wife in a phone call that Misty’s Lawyer Field’s wanted to talk to Tommy’s lawyer.
As far as the PI saying he solved the case, take that with a grain of salt.
Joe’s Lawyer says the questions by police were only to clarify and verify what the incarcerated people were saying after changing stories.
T. Neves already said on TV this week they still think she’s alive. They obviously were not told anything to think she’s dead or she wouldn’t have said that. The whole rounding up of the gang and family for a meeting, Misty at the river and etc is probably tactics to fish out what they know and their duty to follow up on leads that Misty and Tommy are concocting. Misty also wrote letters to Timmy’s wife.
Come on JB and m2c, I miss when you guys were getting along. We are all here for the same reason – Haleigh. When we find out who’s guilty will we really care “who” did it. We will either be so happy that she was found alive, or we will be very sad that she is not. Fact is, we don’t really know for sure what is going on. The media is lying to us left and right. Whatever will improve their ratings.
Justice for Haleigh is going to be swift and sweet. All of them are going to pay for the deceit and cover up of her murder. We aren’t stupid we have known since the day they announced her missing during Caylee’s funeral that Haleigh was dead. one look at those losers Misty and Ron that first day…..C’mon how blind do they think we are. Ron is trash, their all trash. Nothing less then trash, drug using, child abusing trash. Haleigh is an angel, she always has been. I hope they all pay severly for what they have done to her and what they have put all the great ppl that have followed this case faithfully through. Haleigh though she may never know it has more family that love her then the ones who did in her life.
14 months doesn’t feel swift and sweet.
“JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:12 am JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!”
I so agree with you but too I’d even go so far as to add….And ~Justice for all~!
imvho
JB, your post is well said and I agree with you. I hope for Haleighs sake this is not a hoax and I do not believe it to be. I had also heard Tommy was taken to the crime scene on Monday. Steve Brown in his interview said that he believed the case became a homicide investigation the day before his interview. I still do not believe Mistys story on what happened the night Haleigh disappeared.
Shockwave – sorry, but tired of the same ole’ bullying. It is a constant attack on Tobias and others and I’m sick of it. Everything we say gets picked at and I’m TIRED of it. I’m stressed out and want this case to be solved so bad so my patience is stretched to the limit right now. I will apologize to my fellow bloggers for my outburst to m2c but I will NOT apologize to m2c because I meant every word. She needs to STOP! I’m FED UP!
There is a video of the GrandMother admitting all that.
Really?? I wish I knew who your “really” were. I’m sure there is something in your past that would make others call YOU trash. I was a troubled youth and I did things in my past I’m not proud of, but I grew up and I changed for the better. Any one of Haleigh’s family and those who knew her could have done the same. Judgement, and murder are all on the same level as far as God is concerned.
I’m checking in for the first time today. Did anyone hear anything about Haleigh possibly getting into pills and Misty called Tommy for help?
14mos. no that isn’t swift and sweet. What I met is now that they may have found the body,I don’t see them wasting any time with these a-wipes. Maybe that was the wrong choice of words. Haleigh’s justice will be awesome? I just….They all deserve to…..yeah..hmm hmm Haleigh….finally…..though I’d rather of her truly been hidden in some other state, and that Cobra’s efforts to locate her could of turned up a live child. If only her dad could of been as faithfull to her as ya’ll
Okay so why not do a LDT on Joe?
T and M may very possibly have had plenty of time to come up with the alternative out story within the time between now and when Haleigh ws reported as missing.
It may have very well been something discussed as a last stitch effort to keep their ownselves out of trouble.
Discussing it with the GrandMother, well, I have my thoughts and theories on that. Did they discuss this with anyone else or was GrandMa the only sounding board they used to see if it sounded credible enough?
Why only now are they coming up with this alleged scenario?
Could desperation be a motivating factor?
Do family dinamics play a role in how this is all coming out? Did GrandMa and/or the rest of the family have some type of complex negative feelings towards Joe and/or his Mother or Father prior to Haleigh coming up missing?
Just some thoughts I’m tossing around…
JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:24 am Shockwave – sorry, but tired of the same ole’ bullying. It is a constant attack on Tobias and others and I’m sick of it. Everything we say gets picked at and I’m TIRED of it. I’m stressed out and want this case to be solved so bad so my patience is stretched to the limit right now. I will apologize to my fellow bloggers for my outburst to m2c but I will NOT apologize to m2c because I meant every word. She needs to STOP! I’m FED UP!
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I too have felt bullied by m2c but I’m not going to let her get to me. JB I was so impressed with the way you tried to get everyone to work together on different theories. Hang in there and take a deep breath. 🙂
JB, Thank you for defending our rights to an opinion and to not be bullied for giving it.
If you noticed I have never accused anyone of bashing not once. My biggest fear is if this is solved and it isnt what some believe Crystal may always be hounded by people who thought she did something. And that would be wrong and unfair.jmo
kbrooks I’m with ya on that. I would love to see if Joe would be willing to take a LDT for sure!
JMO
If you look at Crystal’s myspace it says
LET MY BABY GO>
Shockwave said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:18 am Come on JB and m2c, I miss when you guys were getting along. We are all here for the same reason – Haleigh. When we find out who’s guilty will we really care “who” did it. We will either be so happy that she was found alive, or we will be very sad that she is not. Fact is, we don’t really know for sure what is going on. The media is lying to us left and right. Whatever will improve their ratings.
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Exactly, The news media is all about ratings and until the truth is found in that river and the true POI is named, Misty did it will sell.
Romewi – good morning and thank you. I’m taking a deep breath but I’m not backing down. Found my backbone (again) and I’m not losing it this time! 😉
Good Morning tobias….not sure anything I say will help (hasn’t in the past) but I get tired of doing nothing and just living with the bloggin’ noggin’ floggin’s. 😀
I feel so helpless right now waiting for info on Haleigh…..I’m very much on edge so I may be VERY outspoken if anyone jumps on here and starts attacking bloggers! My nerves are not only worn thin, they are RAW! 😆
Ky Mom do you know if Crystals myspace message was just put up or has it been there?
That is heart wrenching! I couldn’t possibly imagine how any one of them feel right now.
How sad. I cannot help but feel angry for them all right now. Especially for little Haleigh and for little Jr.
…OK I am taking a break. I have to.
I would love to hear the jailhouse phone calls to Grandma from Tommy and Misty.
L4j
It was posted on Sunday.
HMMMMM
Tn and GGS still believe HaLeigh is alive too. WTH is going on here. Why was the convo between HaLeighs family and SH a secret? Why would SH say because this is sensitive we will not release the tipsters name and the very next morning SB (CS hired PI)is on the news saying “I solved the case”.
JB, I know what you mean. First the tears fell as just the thought Haleigh will not come alive and now I am just angry!
You know JB iwas thinking if the story Joe took Haleigh because he could not steal Rons gun, then why all the cleaning up in the trailer? I can understand propping the door, but that it! I honestly believe Haleigh was deceased before she was removed from the mh.JMO
Because Art Harris ratted him out on NG, so he might as well go ahead and say something now.
JB, I hear ya, as always!
Looking for Justice, you are so right also. There is much much more to this story than we’re hearing, I do believe.
Gosh,JB and others.
That’s very much the way I and others have felt when we were called names, railed at, accused of having agendas and opinions we did not have, and personally threatened for daring to disagree with some bloggers and for OUR opinions! LOL!
I have always had about seven theories on the case and have been literally bludgeoned for encouraging open-mindedness.
And apparently it’s still going on. How about you all stop that?
Thanks Ky Mom.Crystal did not learn this news until Monday according to reports. Do you think it is possible that this message was posted prior to her hearing this horrible news?
Looking – I believe I heard that MC or RC cleaned up after the police had already been there after the initial 911 call. LE would not have known about the pile of laundry and Haleigh’s shirt if they had tried to clean up prior to.
After LE stated that he should not? LE discredited him after wards. IDK, I am hoping that LE is on the right trail and not being misled again.
Or they left the shirt there to see what Misty would do when she saw it. Misty sure used that one in her “if I was hiding something why would I give them the shirt” claim. But in the original 911 she said Haleigh had on her pajamas not the shirt.jmo
TM39 even if LE is being led in the wrong direction it cannot be denied that it has inched forward some.
…Just saying.
Shockwave, According to reports,Misty was washing blankets prior before she went to bed. It was later stated that the beds were made and did not look slept in upon LE’s arrival to the mh and the washer was going and dirty clothes in the dryer. I believe it was TN and AS that cleaned the mh after LE released it as a crime scene for the disappearance.
Hi! Texasmommy39 said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:46 am You said: “HMMMMM
Tn and GGS still believe HaLeigh is alive too. WTH is going on here. Why was the convo between HaLeighs family and SH a secret? Why would SH say because this is sensitive we will not release the tipsters name and the very next morning SB (CS hired PI)is on the news saying “I solved the case”.”
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I am not clear on who the “tipster” is. I guess it’s someone who told Steve Brown something? Or was it Tommy talking to his Tennessee grandma? Does anyone know?
looking for Justice said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:51 am Thanks Ky Mom.Crystal did not learn this news until Monday according to reports. Do you think it is possible that this message was posted prior to her hearing this horrible news?
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If we are to believe her PI, I would imagine CS has been in the know for awhile. He claims he solved the case Monday though. SS myspace reflected some type of knowledge at 8:52 pm Monday night.
That is another reason I do not believe the BS about LE calling CS to be the first to tell her that a search was being conducted before she heard it from media. Nothing is adding up IMO.
You are right Tobias. A shirt and underwear, A pink shirt and tan shorts and pjs. I believe they were looking for an expression.
The tipster is in my opinion S. Brown and what or who gave him the info is the secret. jmo
Hmmm……Misty, Misty, Misty, what a loser. You know….I just….huuh…I’m at a loss for words. 14 mos. If Haleigh is in that river, 14 mos they let her lie there, it’s devestating. I hope all of you who have devoted all your time and energy can heal and continue to fight for other children and keep the bond that has held you together this long. It can’t end with Haleigh or Caylee they all need you…..without you their flames would of been blown out long ago….
I think Misty’s story (as we know it) is a little hinky too. I saw where Hollysgmom posted something about Haleigh Overdosing but wasn’t quite dead so Joe finished the job. That is an absolutely SICKENING thought but might explain a lot. Why she avoided Ron’s calls…why Tommy and Joe came over….why the cover-up….and why Tommy and Misty BOTH know exactly where Joe dumped Haleigh (as they were both there too and part of it) AND why they all kept their mouths shut all this time (Because they were all part of it). Again, don’t know if ANY of this is true but it does make a little sense. It could be possible that Ron found out about Haleigh overdosing and it was his drugs and so he is part of the cover-up as well but that is COMPLETELY opinion and just a possible theory. Still SO much we don’t know. I just don’t believe Misty was afraid of Joe. If she has kept her mouth shut it is to save her own behind because she took part in it all….again…JMO
L4J
Maybe. I don’t believe the story with Joe took Haleigh and Threatened Misty. To me it doesn’t make sense. I don’t think Joe killed Haleigh. If Haleigh is dead I think she was already dead and Tommy, Timmy , and maybe Joe disposed of her body. But I think Misty is the main one.
I think Timmy also had apart in this or he knew about it. Misty lies so much she kinda reminds me of Casey Anthony couldn’t tell the truth if it slap ’em in the face.
TM39 Knowing that the pi is retired FBI his first obligation would be to report any information related to a crime to the proper authorities first and foremost.
I would not think that any real professional pi would leak out information even to his client if it might compromise a legal case.
Texas, that is what I am saying. Steve Brown said he solved the case on Monday. That is why I was thinking that Crystal also found out on Monday. That the post put up on Sunday was due to the fact she did not have knowledge of this break until the following day.
JB,
I was thinking the same thing with the overdose. That would explain Ron’s involvement. I still think he is somehow involved and strange behavior.
Imagine say the pi did leak out the information to C as things became known. Due to the nature of the case, imagine what would happen if say C or a member of her family after hearing what is being alleged suddenly had an emotional breakdown and just snapped and went and attempted to retaliate on whomever before the authorities were even contacted or notified.
I do not think that any pi would want to bear the burden of responsibility in any fashion even remotely relating to such a scenario.
It would be extremly un professional and most likely have legal ramifications to boot.
I have had 2 theories, one goes along with yours Romewi, Haleigh od’d and they covered it up…or Misty beat the stuff out of her and she passed.
LOL guys I can not argue any point, nor am I going to agree or disagree with anyones point of view today. LE is the one that will provide us with the answers not the misinformed media that is basing their reporting on the rumors that have been circulated over the last 14 months.
I would just like to know if KP or Cobra knew about SB?
Tuff – I agree – I don’t think SB would have given CS or her family any info – he would have gone to LE and then LE would have passed the info along.
I don’t believe SB is a glory hound either. He would have remained anonymous in the shadows if he hadn’t be ousted by over zealous reporters.
Romewi – Ron may not be involved but if he isn’t his behavior sure has been strange through this whole thing. One of my remaining theories says he’s involved to the point it was his pills that Haleigh OD’d on and he has been part of the cover-up
Still not sure what role Joe played. Maybe it was just Misty, Tommy and Timmy but they are trying to pin it on their strange cousin Joe. IDK….we won’t know until LE reveals what they know.
Romewi said,in April 15th, 2010 at 11:12 am JB,
I was thinking the same thing with the overdose. That would explain Ron’s involvement. I still think he is somehow involved and strange behavior.
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Total agreement.
Texasmommy39 – very well said!
Too many lies and rumors for the ”truth” to be found and judgement made!
The OD/cover-up theory might explain Ron’s strange expression while being led out of jail the other day too. He didn’t look sad. He didn’t really look angry. He looked concerned and a little “smirky” like he did in his mug shot. If he is in no way involved he sure has a strange way of conducting himself and expressing himself. He could be somewhat fearful the truth and his involvement will come out as well.
what Lindsy is saying:
LindsyLPN (2 hours ago) Yup, me and Tom will be celebriting and going out dancing real soon.
LindsyLPN (3 hours ago) Hard to say, all i know is that Tom is out of there real soon
LindsyLPN (17 hours ago) Tommy is coming home soon
http://www.youtube.com/user/Ncnana8
JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 11:30 am The OD/cover-up theory might explain Ron’s strange expression while being led out of jail the other day too. He didn’t look sad. He didn’t really look angry. He looked concerned and a little “smirky” like he did in his mug shot. If he is in no way involved he sure has a strange way of conducting himself and expressing himself. He could be somewhat fearful the truth and his involvement will come out as well.
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My thoughts exactly, JB
Everyone was saying how pitiful he looked. JMO JMO JMO I thought he had a look of “fear” that day. But JMO
I can tell you this – CS wouldn’t hurt a fly. I can’t even imagine her hurting someone out of retaliation. If she was capable of that she would have blown RC away with his gun back when she was pregnant and he was smacking her in the head.
I cannot stand it when RC smirks. Maybe he’s just embarrassed. NG has portrayed RC all along as the father who just wants his baby back and is innocent. Now, we all know he isn’t so innocent.
No updates are they still searching? What is the live link?
LindsyLPN (1 hour ago) Tom plans to come home, order some KFC, have a few beers, and have some quiet time.
Ncnana8 (13 hours ago) Was it Tommy that finally broke & told this? If so I’m glad, just don’t understand why it wasn’t told in the beginning, did Ron know? Saw your post on my page about Tommy coming home, I’m glad for your sake but still pissed that this info was with held for so long what about poor HALEIGH??
LindsyLPN (17 hours ago) Tom is a hard sleeper, if he did have something to do with this it’s because he was sleep walking
http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN
I was hoping we’d have some sort of update by now. fingers crossed
Tobias,
news4jax had a live video about an hour ago. Yes they are still searching the river and they have moved media back away from the boat landing according to news4. The video was interesting as they said they were looking for 2 items that will help prove this case.
Here’s a theory that ties Ron, Misty, Tommy and Joe together. Just a theory. I have had many.
Ron instructs Misty to give Haleigh something to make her sleep. Haleigh overdoses and dies. Tommy helps Misty dispose of Haleigh while Ron is at work. Joe Overstreet is the fall guy.
This would be way too long of a post to break it all down. This theory could explain so many actions of Ron, Misty and Tommy.
They have done some crazy things. Marriages, divorces, tattoos, and dead rats. But why are they so confident that they can do such things and get away with it? Because if one goes down they all go down.
I keep thinking back about how many people have been thrown under the bus. It seems to me the only people Misty has been ready to protect is herself or RC. I keep thinking back to when Misty is talking to her mother from jail and tells her, “I still love him momma.” It brought to mind even farther back of the video of the voice stress test when he asks Misty if there is any involvement from Ron on Haleigh’s disappearance and when she said no, he tells her that the test is showing deceit. But then again I don’t trust Tommy or cJoe either. It almost seems thay all know about it and are all covering it up IMO. Oh what a tangled web we weave!
TY Romewi, I found the live news channel at jax. I think one of the items is the yellow rope everyone keeps talking about. The other could be anything including a cinder block.
She had to have ben weighted down with something or she would have come up on the shore somewhere. jmo
I suppose that doesn’t explain the rest of the family protecting RC though…. too many lies!!!
Looks like it finally might all come out…. I hope!
This entire saga reeks!
Why wud Misty and Tommy come forward now? 2 monmths after being inconsolable and hysterical after knowing LE planned to have them spend eternity in jail?
When did Tommy have the gun pointed to his head?? Dana T’s article says that Tommy said when they couldnt find the gun, they left and that Joe came bak to the trailer alone….
Did Joe take Haleigh and threaten Misty then dispose of Haleigh, and then go and find Tommy to tell him what he did, and then pull out a gun and make threats ??? Why wud he have said anything to Tommy ? It is aleged that he had already sworn Misty to secrecy with a knife….
If Misty and Tommy were so scared to tell the truth, then why did Misty continuously air her suspicions of Joe and Tommy on national TV?
Doesnt make sense to think that Misty was scared..it was ok to cast suspicions about him and tell the world that he was RSO and creep and nut, yet not tell the truth in fear he wud then kill her?
It is said that Tommy and his PI led LE to the riverbank on Monday.. How did he or Misty know where he disposed of Haleigh? Did he go back and give them that evidence after he threatened them? It is alleged that Joe took Haleigh and disappeared… Did Joe tell Misty before he left what he was going to do and where he was going to take her?
Why did Tommy and Misty tell these stories to gramma and chelsea????? Why not come clean to LE.. They would have been the ones who could have offered something in return (good food??)
Both Tommy and Misty knew calls and letters wud be monitored.. Why wudnt one of them used it for immediate leverage?
I personally think Tommy did it, and has somehow coerced Misty into going along with this crazy story… so to spare his azz.. He knows that LE isnt going to give up against him or Misty… All of a sudden he comes out with this????? Divorce threats or no divorce threats… it doesnt make any sense.. Why wouldnt Lindsay stand by him?? Does she supect it was Tommy ???
I personally believe that Tommy all by himself went to the trailer (at 10 just like he said 8 months later) and took Haleigh to get back at Ron or Misty for something…
I personally think Misty has been cohoerced into going along with this story. Lets face it .. LE havent given up on convicting her from day one… She may have felt it is her only hope and she may even believe that Joe did it (like she has already said) and that Tommy was the one threatened…
It may have beeen her only hope to try and save her life…
This scenario could have been planted to both Tommy and Misty via lawyers and PI’s.. They may also believe that something like this happened and had to embellish it a tad…
At the end of the day .. nothing adds up…
The common denominator equals T O M M Y ….
Misty also said she wouldnt have been surprised if Tommy or Joe did it..
Jb… I was thinking the same thing about rc’s demeanor yesterday, and it makes it more interesting to me why he married mc.I’ve never really thought he was involved until now but I remember wondering when they got married, if it could have been rc that accidentally let Haleigh over dose and she was dead before rc even went to work, and all the plotting & lies & cover up ensued from there to protect rc?
I’m sorry, but murdering a 5 yr. old child because you were humiliated by her Father is just too far of a reach for me. It’s almost as much of a reach as all the stories people fabricate and twist to somehow, some way implicate RC in all this.
If and that’s a big if, JO mudered Haleigh, it was not because of Ron’s humiliation, it was a perverted sexual act. That’s the only way killing her would make sense.
There is NO WAY Misty is protecting RC for this long. Why would she? She’s sitting in a jail cell and if she could implicate RC she would.
It is going to be very, very difficult to prosecute this case on the testimony of 2 liars, w/o any physical evidence. In fact it will be a waste a money of them to do so.
Fed Up….
I thought I heard somewhere that Tommy confessed to being at the boat landing when Joe dumped the body.
I think something happened to Haleigh on Misty’s watch (possibly Ron was there also) and Tommy (and maybe Joe & Timmy) was called to help cover it up. Tommy is covering for Misty because he realized the trouble he could be in and together they came up with the plan to blame this on Joe. I think if Joe hurt Haleigh and Tommy watched him dump the body then Misty would have talked a long time ago. What reason would Misty have for not calling 911 when Joe took Haleigh?
http://www.news4jax.com/image/23153384/detail.html
If this is misty she has gained alot of weight and cut her hair.
“Apparently Misty is going to testify against the one who did it for a reduce sentence on her drug charges. Wow….. Misty didn’t do it and is not being charged!”
Even if it wasn’t Misty who killed the baby.She knew who did and where they placed her so she is just as guilty and should be charged as an accessory and for withholding evidence.
I personally think the OD theory is the best bet.Maybe Misty wanted to knock Haleigh out so she could go party?If I recall, didn’t she say once that she called Teresa Neves and asked her to watch Haleigh becuase she”didn’t want to babysit that night”?
As far as what transpired that night following the OD.She probably came home and found Haleigh dead and called someone she trusted and who were seasoned criminals”her brothers” to help her hide the body.I really do not think after watching the interviews that Joe was involved.Not sure why but I don’t think he did anything,he seems traumatized/hurt by these accusations. Prior to watching the videos all I knew of Joe was that he had a criminal history and was possibly a SO but I read somewhere the only thing he did was attempt to steal a car stereo when he was younger and he got shot in the wrist while doing so by the owner of the car,so if he is a “criminal” he’s a bumbling idiot of a criminal.
He seems very emotional,crying uncontrollably at his interview.If he had just murdered a child I don’t think he could maintain his composure and coolly hang up Haleigh posters alongside Misty the next morning without shaking,crying or throwing up.
I do think that he is probably the least cared about by Misty and she and Tommy think they can pin it on him since he was an “outsider” from another state, just an idiot cousin.If it all comes out that Joe was not involved I think the whole Croslin clan should apologize to him for dragging him in to this nightmare.I could be wrong and his demeanor could have me fooled but I don’t know.He just doesn’t strike me as a murderer.If he is a SO it’s not on his record ,unless he did it as a minor?
I guess time will tell but I do hope someone gains a conscience and tells the whole truth and not just to get their drug charges reduced. sheesh.
Just heard on CNN that LE may have a update soon!
On a funny note: I have CNN on in the breakroom at work and a guy walked in and said…”What do you think of that Nancy Grace, isn’t she something?” He doesn’t even follow this case. Made me laugh.
Hey everyone, I have spent alot of the last three days “lurking” and reading and like most of you here, I agree…nothing makes any sense.
I have a theory that i would like to throw out here that I’m sure some of you have already thought about, yet, I think it bears repeating….It makes no sense to me that tommy and joe came to steal a gun from ron and couldn’t find it so tommy left and joe took HaLeigh…unless Ronald owed joe alot of money for drugs…or owed money for the gun itself. If Joe gave ron a time limit to pay for his “front” and ron didn’t come through. perhaps this is why joe took Haleigh. It may have started out just to hold her until he came up with cash, thinking a few hours…not realizing that ron would certainly call 911, now he must dispose of her to avoid charges himself. possible?
Here’s ONE THEORY….Joe and Tommy show up to steal the gun….Misty, Joe and Tommy are rummaging through the house, getting loud, Haleigh gets up…says she’s going to tell her dad….they can’t have a witness…..they kill her and toss her in the river.
Here’s ANOTHER THEORY….Misty is hungover, tired and cranky…Haleigh won’t go to sleep….either Ron tells Misty to give her something to help her sleep or Misty does it on her own (perhaps she and Ron have done it before)…..Misty goes in to go to bed and Haleigh has wet the bed…not because of an accident but because she has OD’d…Misty gets PO’d and tries to wake Haleigh and discovers she has OD’d…calls Tommy…he comes over…..Misty washes the blankets to clean up the pee and Tommy disposes of Haleigh. Ron wants to keep the story hush hush because it was his drugs and he perhaps had drugged her before. Tommy keeps quiet (and Ron threatens him with the headless rat) to help keep him that way. Misty stays quiet to protect Ron and Tommy. When cornered they blame Cousin Joe to cover their behinds. When Ron gets pulled out to be told they are conducting the search he knows the gig is up and Misty/Tommy are talking…thus the strange look on his face. Misty and Tommy had 14 months to CYA and can keep most of the story details straight because they were both there…..they just interject Cuz Joe into the mix to take the blame off themselves.
My theory on Joe used to be that he told LE what he knew and they were just waiting for the proof…reason Misty, Tommy, & Ron are in jail and Joe isn’t. Now I’m not sure. I think he knows what happened and may have helped get rid of her body but I don’t think he personally harmed Haleigh.
JB, I agree and if all the parties were whacked out of their minds on drugs they never thought to not go along with the plan and once they came down they were already involved.jmo
You have got to be beyond whacked out on drugs to murder a child in cold blood.
Sound like we are all heading in the same direction with our theories. I hope we know the entire truth soon.
Thats also the reason they could deal with what happened, they drugged themselves into not caring. jmo
I agree with everyone that is thinking Joe may be getting hung out to dry. Unless someone can explain to me why Ron has acted so strangely and the messed up look on his face after meeting with police and a good reason why Tommy and Misty haven’t told the truth until now, I’m thinking they are setting Joe up….could be wrong….just some thoughts to toss out there. Seems many of us have the same gut feeling though…at least based on what we know thus far.
Tobias I agree that they drug themselves into not caring what happened but man what a bunch of losers. I look at Misty and I get so angry. What a cold heartless beotch.
Did anyone read the article with the interview from Joe and Misty’s grandmother? She said that Joe hasn’t been the same since he got back from Florida, won’t even talk about Haleigh and lives with a scared look in his eyes. Even she said that she thinks he’s not telling everything she knows. WOW!
I can’t help but think that joe showed up to either collect from ron for drugs or steal this gun BACK. When it wasn’t there he took Haleigh for coladeral.
tobias…true…they’ve all been comfortably numb on drugs since Haleigh went missing….but jail has been a sobbering experience and now they are talking. Good move on LE’s part to get these folks behind bars looking at some serious jail time! It worked! KUDOS to LE! Letting them roam freely sure wasn’t getting us anywhere except for endless side shows of break-ins, drug deals, road rage, assaults, etc.
I guess Joe could be involved and the reason he’s hanging tough is he isn’t under the pressure of jail like the others but he just isn’t coming across as being guilty of actually killing Haleigh. Again, could be way off here but I think Tommy and Misty are more involved than they say…and are just pinning this on Joe.
Rons behavior??? Heres my opinion after seeing him walk out. He hates himself and i think in that heart felt conversation with family Crystal had words with him. Like how he could let something like this happen and its all his fault. I think he was trying to still act all big and bad when really all he wants to do is curl up in a bawl and die! His heart’s gone, his son is gone and he feels hes got nothing but a cell to look foward to.
and the family friend that said the atmosphere was tense in there. Well id say!
poohpig…wow, no, hadn’t read that. Can you point us to that article? That may change how I’m thinking. Please and thank you!
Hi Romewi,
Im not sure about Tommy confessing to being at the boat launch but either way… if he did say that he was at the boat launch… it doesnt make sense that Joe wud have taken Haleigh and threatened Misty with her life … and then go and get Tommy where he wud then hold a gun to his head…and threaten him to…. For someone trying to keep something like this a secret wud seem silly to keep involving ppl, especially ppl that havent said a word about this for so long…
Also, I doubt Ron was involved or that Haleigh was hurt or accidently killed or almost dead… Ron was at work and it has been confirmed .. Also, his reaction was pretty genuine… Tommy and Joe hate Ron enough that if there was any truth to that they wude have turned on him months ago…
Misty isnt smart enough to have kept in an accident, drug related or not ….
On account that Tommy confessed to being there 8 months later and said that it looked like no one was home…… why did he say that ?????unless LE had something to show he was there…
Tommy and Misty havenet shown that they are afraid of anyone..and wont submit to anyone either.. Tommy clearly shows he will steal guns, and threaten ppl and that he is a druggie and is violent….. Misty had to get a restraining order against him…
It seems to me that the common thread here is Tommy…
He placed himself at the crimescene at the trailer, and had every reason to come clean with this story right from the start…
If he has placed himself at the boatlaunch then that is the 2 crimsscenes ….
He knew Joe has bween made out to be a suspect via Misty….
I think Tommy went in there and took Haleigh for either money for human trafficaing or becasue he was pissed at ron and decided he wud take revenge…Misty also accused him of being a ped…..There are way more reasons to think that Misty may have been asleep and one of these 2 thugs came in for any number of reasons..
Misty wasnt afraid to call 911 where drug use was going on… I doubt she wud have encountered a prob with haleighs health for whatever reason.. and decided to stage a kidnapping and dispopse of the remains.. doesnt make sense.. jmho…
I think Miaty was asleep just like she said when Tommy or Joe took Haleigh and that Misty hasnt got a clue what happened as she was sleeping..
Tommy wud have known her sleepiong habits.. I doubt Miasty was strung out as family saw her at 8ish where she was reported normal and sober..LE saw her at 3:17 ish am and shud have been able to tell if she was impaired in any way….I believe she wud have protected Haleigh against her captor if she was awake..
I believe she is feeling forced into this sham to save her life as clearly LE have not believed one word she said from the start..
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methinks…you could be right. I want to read this article poohpig is talking about where the grandmother states Joe hasn’t acted right since returning and looks scared, etc. Has anyone else seen that article? I mean, if his own grandmother is pointing the finger at him, who knows….but why hasn’t she spoken up before now? I hadn’t even HEARD of this woman until now! Where has SHE been hiding?
Here is the important snipet…..the article is on Jax4news
Hollars said the ordeal has been beyond difficult for their family. She said, however, she thinks Overstreet knows more than he’s telling investigators. He came back to Tennessee a few days after Haleigh disappeared.
“He’s been a changed person since he got back from Florida,” she said. “He’s not been the same person anymore. There’s been a complete turnaround. And there’s a scare in his eyes. And it’s been there ever since he came back.”
Hollars also said whenever she wears a shirt with Haleigh’s face on it, Overstreet often leaves the house and refuses to talk about Haleigh.
Idont believe they were afraid of Joe, for one he is way off in TENN., he is really tiny, doesnt come off as a mean guy, And didnt Misty go down there to visit in Oct. before she came back to drop the restraining order? And with all she has said about Tommy he never once got mad why? I think Misty called them to help her and they were so whacked out they couldnt think straight and did. The rest well who knows maybe Haleigh OD, Misty got mad and hit her wrong way, or Ron did before work and she succumbed later. That will come out later I hope. jmo
Fed Up – if Misty was sleeping how is it she is on the boat dock pointing to a specific place out in the river? And why has her story changed so much? How is it now that she can say Joe and Tommy came for the gun, couldn’t find it, took Haleigh, etc, if she was asleep? Why make up that story? Dang, none of this makes sense. Trying to fit the facts into her story (as ever-changing as it is) is next to impossible. Why wouldn’t she call 911 right after Joe left with Haleigh? I’m just not buying that….it doesn’t make sense to me. Why would she hang out with and go visit Joe if she was afraid of him. I’m SOOO getting a headache.
Remember what Tommy said about pinning this on Joe if he didnt do it? He said he couldnt send Joe to prison for the rest of his life if he didnt do it, just to get out of jail. So it would appear Tommy is naming someone else if you go by his tapes. jmo
tobias, Don’t forget the old saying…”dinomite comes in small packages”! lol
After he couldnt get a hold of her then why did he Ron take so long getting home. Remember he stopped off at a store to by smokes and whatever else. To me if you got in an agrugement with someone who is at the house with your kids you would go straight home but his butt didnt. I do believe he is involeved just my OPIONION.
Jb I agree with what you are saying maybe Haleigh did get a hold of the drugs and overdosed. or something.
Tommy is in this no matter what theory we seem to come up with. I’m going to go back and listen to some of his tapes and see if anything sticks out.
JB, your headache? blood pressure high? take some deep breaths and try to relax…This is just the sort of thing that can cause strokes and heart attacts. Take care of you!
I bet we’ll all know answers soon enough.
I am so sick of all these little children getting hurt, kidnapped, drugged, sexually molested and/or killed. What can we do? What needs to be done? It seems the problem is out of control. It’s all so terrible and yet what do we do about it? We need to unite and stop the abuse. Where are all these sick people coming from? Ever see the thing on Dateline about online sexual predators? They come out of the freakin woodwork! It just makes me sick…. Somehow we must stop it all. If I had my way, these people would get capital punishment but what to do to prevent it is the big question.
Prayers and justice for Haleigh and all the rest of the precious little lost ones.
Misty wears her wemtions on her sleeve.. I doubt she cud have concealed her emotions if she had a hand in it..
I cant see Tommy having helped Misty especially with the fighting and violence between the 2… alsoif she was that whacked out.. LE wud have seen signs of that at 3:17 am when the arrived…
Tommy wud have fessed up and been able to show evidence when he first arrested … He was desperate and has shown us that he wud never protect anyone..let alone Misty..
He is a violent thief and drug addict whwere we have seen his history of stealing to support his drug habit… did he sell Haleigh on the black market?? He is also warped enough and has a bad enough temper that he may have been angry enough at ron that he killed haleigh out of spite..
Just watched joes interview again…is he smirking? does he feel safe since they don’t have anything on him? Theres something about this guy that doesn’t sit right with me. jmo
JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
I so totally agree with you. It doesn’t make sense. They have lied too many times.
Someone please tell me that we have LE confirming that it was indeed Misty they took to the docks. I do not want a reporters guess.
Misty has now cut her hair to shoulder length and has gain about 40 lbs and gone up 4 bra sizes.
That side profile is also not what I would expect with Misty’s little pug nose..
JB.. yes, this sure is a sickening story…
In reply to your question..
” if Misty was sleeping how is it she is on the boat dock pointing to a specific place out in the river?”
I actually think Misty was asleep when haleigh was taken.. In fact so far I think Misty is th only one who has kept her story straight… at least until now…
I think Misty has been coerced and influenced to come together with Tommy to help pon Joe.. After al I do think she believes Joe is guilty.. We have heard her say this along with her suspicions of Tommy..
I think she realizes that its either Joe , or her.. either way she is hooped as Le havent believed her from day one … On account that she realizes this is never gonna go away.. I think she decided to be swayed and try and help pin the guy that she thinks prolly did it to spare her life..
I think it is Tommy and his team that came up with this plan… The scenario may have easily been planted in Tommys ear… He took the bait and ran with it.. Misty cud have been brought into the know by PI’s lawyers whatever..
On account that Tommy laced himself at the crimescene after having lied for so long.. He is the one who has inconsistant stories all aong.. he is also a major drug addict and very violent and has shown us how resorts to violence to get out his anger…
It was easy for a PI or anyone to see that if the 2 come together against Joe.. it will help muddty the waters even more and if the 2 corroborate.. they can pin this on Joe..
I doubt Misty has any knowledge of what really happened.. I do believe she was asleep jjust like she said she was..
We saw her call 911 where there were drugs and thugs all over the place.. I doubt she was awake and wud have chosen not to call 911 if there was a prob.. I also believe that she loved Haleigh..
The allegations of this so caled confession says that Joe took haleigh and disappeared… Misty being at the boat launch may have been to show LE where Joe fished…
It wasnt necessarily to show LE anything about the crime… It may have been to corroborate where she knew Joe spent alot of time…
IMO Ron’s facial expression when he came out of PCSO after the family interview didn’t look smirky or arrogant or cocky. I have seen each of those expressions on him at times, but not that day. To me, Ron looked like someone resigned to the fact that his daughter will not come home alive. He looked emotionally beaten.
But that is just my opinion; some here will not agree and I am OK with that.
Also, what bothers me is when the Tennessee Grandma said that Timmy’s wife – the one now in Massachusetts – told her to look in the river?!
How did Timmy’s wife know this?! How could she know this?! Was it in the letter she received from Misty?! Is that letter now in the custody of Satsuma PD?!
Grandma Holler is the Grandma that told Misty in one of their phone conversations that she told Tommy he could not be calling and using up those minutes because they were for Misty. I am not sure who is protecting who, but this story that Misty said stinks to high heavens!
GGMa Flo Holler’s opinion might be important but too GrandMa Flo seems also to be the ultimate decider/Elder of the bunch. It doesn’t say a whole lot to me considering that she seems to have failed pretty much in establishing in her own Child’s values and morals let alone for her to be the only responsible one when it comes to the GrandChildren.
I do wonder….Where did Joe, Joe’s Mother and/or Father set in the pecking order prior to Haleigh’s disappearance?
Who does GrandMa Flo favor amongst the whole lot of them?
And what not.
cathartic said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:19 pm IMO Ron’s facial expression when he came out of PCSO after the family interview didn’t look smirky or arrogant or cocky. I have seen each of those expressions on him at times, but not that day. To me, Ron looked like someone resigned to the fact that his daughter will not come home alive. He looked emotionally beaten.
But that is just my opinion; some here will not agree and I am OK with that.
Rons behavior??? Heres my opinion after seeing him walk out. He hates himself and i think in that heart felt conversation with family Crystal had words with him. Like how he could let something like this happen and its all his fault. I think he was trying to still act all big and bad when really all he wants to do is curl up in a bawl and die! His heart’s gone, his son is gone and he feels hes got nothing but a cell to look foward to.
and the family friend that said the atmosphere was tense in there. Well id say!
I agree! He is emotionally drained!
I may eat my words later but i do not feel ron had anything to do with his daughter going missing. Except neglegence in his trust of Misty!
You know with the way this ”child like women” are getting pregnant at the drop of a sperm… I am very surprised that Misty did not become pregnant during her laision with Ron – he seems to have been quite furtile…
Jules said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:04 pm I bet we’ll all know answers soon enough.
I am so sick of all these little children getting hurt, kidnapped, drugged, sexually molested and/or killed. What can we do? What needs to be done? It seems the problem is out of control. It’s all so terrible and yet what do we do about it? We need to unite and stop the abuse. Where are all these sick people coming from? Ever see the thing on Dateline about online sexual predators? They come out of the freakin woodwork! It just makes me sick…. Somehow we must stop it all. If I had my way, these people would get capital punishment but what to do to prevent it is the big question.
Prayers and justice for Haleigh and all the rest of the precious little lost ones
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I nominate this as the post for the day!
We all need to unite to make the changes that need to take place to protect every child.
Does anyone have a definitive statement from PCSO that this has been changed to a homicide investigation? (An actual quote from PCSO, not from “sources close to the investigation, or such.)
Kate W. said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:39 pm Does anyone have a definitive statement from PCSO that this has been changed to a homicide investigation? (An actual quote from PCSO, not from “sources close to the investigation, or such.)
No Ma’am.
Kate…re:
” Does anyone have a definitive statement from PCSO that this has been changed to a homicide investigation?”
Just NG’s statements and we know how accurate they are!!! (Just like her statement of the divers finding a box……………
I just read from cbsnews that they all calling it a crime scene. So I dont really know
So have there been any updates on TV (I’m at work and can’t watch TV right now)? Anything new? Any articles that have some new info? Anything?????
This is what I READ it was posted 52 minutesago
SATSUMA, Fla. (CBS/AP) The search for Haleigh Cummings, the 5-year-old who disappeared in northeast Florida more than a year ago, resumed in the murky waters of the St. John’s River, and investigators were joined by a handcuffed Misty Croslin, Haleigh’s ex-stepmother, who was the last person to see little Haleigh alive. Investigators are now saying that they consider the search area a crime scene.
PICTURES: Haleigh Cummings Missing
Misty Cummings, Joe Overstreet (Putnam County Sheriff’s Office/WETV)
As the search entered its third day, divers continue to come up empty and the search seemed to be concentrated around a dock on the river about five miles from Haleigh’s house in Satsuma, Fla., 65 miles south of Jacksonville. It’s a small area that reportedly has not been searched before.
Croslin was seen standing on the dock with investigators Wednesday, near what looks to be a table with items on it. She was wearing jail house blues and had shackles around her hands. Investigators aren’t saying why she was brought there.
Members of Haleigh’s family told CBS affiliate WTEV Wednesday that it was a tip from Croslin’s brother that led investigators to the area.
PICTURES: Haleigh Cummings Missing
Another reported “person of interest” in the case, Croslin’s cousin Joe Overstreet, held a press conference Wednesday in his hometown of Nashville, Tenn. Overstreet was reportedly in Satsuma the night Haleigh disappeared and was questioned by the FBI at the time.
Overstreet’s grandmother, Flora Hollars, told WTEV that she called police this week after a phone conversation with Overstreet’s cousin, Hank Croslin, prompted her to believe Overstreet had something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.
Overstreet said Wednesday that he had nothing to do with it and doesn’t know who did.
“If I knew who did it, I would go straight and call the cops and tell them who did it,” Overstreet told reporters Wednesday.
MEDIA
Why are we falling for all the same BS then that we have been falling for the last 14 months.
I am waiting for LE to give us the information we seek.
SB says he is the tipster an now Misty’s Grandma claims to be the tipster and LE claims it was a credible witness that gave the tip. Who are we to believe is credible and has nothing to gain or hide.
Jules @ 1:33pm – Great post. Yes! We could be helping in some way. Any of a number of different ways as suits each person.
I’ve posted the web sites of many national organizations before. Rather than do that again I suggest that people just google for what they are interested in: Missing children, child abuse/neglect, child predators, etc.
There are many organizations that are doing good works in these areas. Also, people might want to find out what’s going on in their own state. For example, after Sarah Foxwell’s tragic murder in Maryland, people have been working for stronger penalties for sex offenders in that state.
There’s a lot all of us can do. Just google and find an organization that you are interested in supporting (as a volunteer or donor or whatever).
”Who are we to believe is credible and has nothing to gain or hide.”
That does not have a last name of Croslin, Sykes, Neves, Cummings, Sheffield….
I doubt very much that LE would work 3 days on a tip fron an old woman who has said on tape that she has brain problems. I would say the tip came from S Brown. jmo
Thanks for that post m2c. Great suggestions.
LE would most definately not be doing their jobs if they didn’t follow up on that tip though too Tobias.
And sure Joe is acting scared, Misty and crew have been saying things about him from the time the van was taken. Even an innocent person would be afraid of this bunch. Not that he is, but her saying that proves nothing to me. jmo
Just possible LE is looking for something that was NOT chunked in the river 14 mos ago. I’m thinking what they are looking for is a fairly new deposit.
YW, Tuff Stuff!
Also, learning about these organizations is somewhat comforting – to know that there are people already working hard on these horrible problems. I’m sure they’d be glad of more support!
Why do you think that? Just curious why you think that.jmo
What are your thoughts on Timmy? Does anyone remember where he claimed to be when all this went down? What is his background? I can’t remember much on him beside that he left town.
great posts Jules & m2c.
Romewi, He was on my radar from the get go because he never made statements, never appeared on any video, and Misty claims he is her favorite yet he never came to her defense until she went to jail. His wife did all the talking to cameras and AH. jmo
Texas… Did LE say it was a ” credible witness”… I had heard a tip but not necessarily credible lol..I also read it was a conversation that tommy had with gramma where he told her what happened and she in turned called LE.. Of course Misty had caled gramma 15 minutes after Tommy telling her the same story…
ALso, I am with you… LE continue to put all their eggs in one basket.. They have held Misty accountable from day 1 and botched the crime scene…Apparantly, they continue to have blinders on…
The one person who keeps coming to my mind is Tommy ! He is the one who placed himself at the scene 8 months later… He is also the one now who comes forward with this new account where he CONVENIENTLY accuses Joe. We already know that Misty has told LE about her suspicions of both Joe and Tommy since the get go..
Now al of a sudden Tommy screams Joe did it!
Seems way too convenient to me…
Why after so long has he come forward now?? He has somehow had this plan devised for him and it has been leaked thru to Misty via PI’s lawyers ..whoever while in jail..
If Misty knew this from the start, I cant see how she held it all.. She doesnt seem capable of that.. We saw her on jail house video and she even got 2 more counts becasue of her lack of discretion via the phone..
She was hysterical in jail and we saw her at witts end.. If she truly knew this about Joe.. I cant believe for 1 second that she held bak out of alleged fear…
Now Tommy 2 tone come up with another tale…He knows who did it and what happened… How did he manage to conceal this from LE for this lo0ng ??? Why .. He hasnt liked being in jail…
He has kepyt implying Misty knows more than she is telling.. How did he think that was going to help their cause????
Now al of a sudden he has the answers and may have even been able to point LE in the general vacinity where Haleigh is…
If LE find one ounce of evidence, that will be Tommy at the 2 places he has lied about being for this long … Looks like he is a good as a perp!!! Maybe even moreseo than Joe.. We see how hostile and violent he gets.. We have seen him place a headless rat in their mailbox, come to the house with guns a blazin, where Misty has to get a restraining order againt him…..
Then there is Misty who is sop desperate that no one has believed that she knows nothing .. watching the key to her cell evaporate,…
We already know that she suspected Joe becasue of Ron accusiong him and tommy of stealing the gun so she corroborates Tommy story as she believes what she is saying is the truth but embellishes to set herself free…
The sad part is that I dont blame her as LE have given her no choice other than to come up with what happened even though she was likely asleep and has no real knowledge of what happened other than speculation which is all LE has too….
Funny to hear Tommy on the tapes tell his gramma weeks ago how he wud never pin this on Joe if joe was innocent…
Setting the stage!!!!! I think he has the REAL answers.. Hopefully Misty will cave and tell LE that she was going along with this as per Tommys instruction .. I think she will be easy to break.. hopefully LE try to break her instead of being complacent and accepting anything that Tommy says as truth!
Any word from armando today?
I was just able to catch up by reading all the posts. Maybe I am naive but I really don’t believe anyone hurt Haleigh intentially. The scenario presented about Joe finishing her off at the boat dock just gave me chills – I pray that is not the case. I really believe, as a few people have said, that Haleigh died from an overdose. Either Ron and/or Misty gave her something to quiet her and she died. Misty panicked and called her brothers to help her. I haven’t seen Timmy’s name come up (in the last few days) but I think he might have some involvement too. The only reason to dump the body is to cover up for the drugs. Ron’s behavior has always baffled me – I think he is involved. Joe probably helped too. We will know soon enough. I just pray that we learn that Haleigh did not suffer.
Does anyone know what Holly Gmom’s twitter is called? I would like to follow it but I can’t find it. Thanks
Ok, I have a question for all you that think RC killed/injured her before he went to work. WHY would Misty not tell this now? Why blame Joe? She NOTHING to lose here. If RC killed or injured Haleigh she would have told that story instead of taking down JO and her won brother TC. She would have NO REASON to keep protecting RC, she is going to prison on traffiking charges either way, so why not tell on him and get a sentence vs. making up stuff about TC and JO, that can not be proved if it is not true.
That theory holds NO water, give it up, let it go, it’s over, just stop.
That should be get a sentence CUT.
She loves him and with the tatoo on her back it seems she always will.jmo
BA – regarding a new deposit into the water…I thought of that too, but I could not even venture a guess as to what it would be.
I just re-listened to the last audio tapes of Tommy and he repeatedly said he would not pin this on Joe. He would not send and innocent person to jail for something they did not do. He said Misty needed to stop lying and leave his name out of this. He also said he thought Misty knew what happened. Now he suddenly wants to blame Joe for all of this.
Although I dont think Ron did anything intentionally to hurt Haleigh. jmo
tobias said,in April 15th, 2010 at 2:01 pm I doubt very much that LE would work 3 days on a tip fron an old woman who has said on tape that she has brain problems. I would say the tip came from S Brown. jmo
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I am not to sure about that. Why would SH discredit him on national tv.
He also would of been included in LE advising him as well not to speak to media due to the sensitive nature of the case.
IMO it is not surprising that CS PI would disregard LE and speak to the press. Maybe another one of her employes needs to be fired for not following CS direction or maybe he was.
Karen…I’m not thinking Ron hurt Haleigh before he went to work…I’m thinking more along the lines of she OD’d on his stash of drugs or Misty gave her some of Ron’s pills to get to her to go to sleep because either a) that is what Ron told her to do or b) that is what she had seen Ron do in the past. Or, maybe Haleigh got into the stash on her own. I don’t think Ron intentionally hit her or killed her…but he may have helped cover up because it was his drugs that killed her. JMO Just one of my theories….but by NO means the only one.
Karen – you make good points. I would argue that Misty participated and that makes her equally culpable. She loves Ron and he probably (being older and wiser) told her that they would both go down together. Of course all of this is JMO but I can’t let go of my gut feelings about Ron. I won’ speak of it again – I think it upsets too many people.
Maybe SH doesnt want to look like he has mud on his face. LE has been getting enough bad press without a PI saying he solved the case. jmo
Texas…can we get past the CS did this thing, please. You don’t see LE dragging CS and family in shackles onto the boat dock. This isn’t a great CS conspiracy here to set up Misty and her family.
Mr. Brown isn’t the bad guy here either. As far as I can tell he got the ball rolling as to what happened to Haleigh and that means it is now possible we will get answers and Haleigh will get justice so in MY eyes, at least, he is a hero….and NOT a suspect in some twisted conspiracy with CS.
You know what… there is hardily anyone here that feels/believes that Ron intentionally hurt HaLeigh, atleast that goes for the “oldies & regulars” here.
Romewi, yes to go from defender of Joe to accuser is strange/crazy… but people do flip, or see the “light”.
Shockwave, it’s anyone’s guess!
I love my husband too, but there is no way in hell I am going to go to prison for him or anyone else for that matter. And if I was involved in something and could get a sentence reduction by turning on him, well, he better watch it.
If Misty would turn on her own brother, she would turn on RC. And FWIW I don’t think she is so in love w/ him anymore. Misty loves Misty more than she loves anyone else.
also want to know why would a relitive of SB blog here Monday night and then appear on National Tv on Wed. morning if he clams he did not want to comprimise this investigation.
I loved his shout out to DP and PC, two of PCSO finest.
Brown didn’t go looking for the media to talk to ….. they came to him. He hasn’t disclosed the details of what he knows or sold his story. He isn’t compromising the investigation. If he had talked we would ALL know what he knows by now because the media would have it plastered on billboards from coast to coast. He is appeasing the media frenzy by saying he KNOWS the truth but he has NOT said what that is so that the investigation can move forward….IMVHO
Saw on Jax news press conference at 4 pm?
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 15th, 2010 at 2:39 pm You know what… there is hardily anyone here that feels/believes that Ron intentionally hurt HaLeigh, atleast that goes for the “oldies & regulars” here.
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You know what I keep seeing it, so someone here thinks it. Oldie or regular IDK.
JillF: HolllyG is TheINNsider on twitter… see ya there!
Beautiful*Adams(cent) Do you have Holly G’s twitter name. I don’t use Twitter but I have searched and can’t find anything under Holly Gmom. Thanks!
Tanya…thanks for the update – come back and tell us what they say (for those who don’t have access to TV or video right now)…PRETTY PLLLEAAASSEEE! 😀
Thanks!
JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 2:37 pm Texas…can we get past the CS did this thing, please. You don’t see LE dragging CS and family in shackles onto the boat dock. This isn’t a great CS conspiracy here to set up Misty and her family.
Mr. Brown isn’t the bad guy here either. As far as I can tell he got the ball rolling as to what happened to Haleigh and that means it is now possible we will get answers and Haleigh will get justice so in MY eyes, at least, he is a hero….and NOT a suspect in some twisted conspiracy with CS.
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JB, I am really sorry I offend you and you sensibilities. I recomend you just continue to ignore me as you have been able to in the past.
I do not agree with your opinions and do not expect you to agree with mine.
JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 2:37 pm Texas…can we get past the CS did this thing, please. You don’t see LE dragging CS and family in shackles onto the boat dock. This isn’t a great CS conspiracy here to set up Misty and her family.
Mr. Brown isn’t the bad guy here either. As far as I can tell he got the ball rolling as to what happened to Haleigh and that means it is now possible we will get answers and Haleigh will get justice so in MY eyes, at least, he is a hero….and NOT a suspect in some twisted conspiracy with CS.
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But JB, with all due respect, aren’t you now deciding FOR EVERYONE what they are allowed to believe or speculate on?
What you said (above) depends on whether LE is on the up and up and whether the tips are correct etc. There is no proof yet. Only more tips and another search. Otherwise not much of anything “new.” I think TM39 is entitled to continue with her theories – whether they fall in line with yours, the medias, or LEs, don’t you?
Tex – I just don’t get how you can still see some big Crystal conspiracy in all this. THAT is what gets me. We’re all talking about Misty, Tommy, Ron and Joe and what we’re seeing and hearing on the news and you keeping going on about Crystal. Crystal is not part of the current investigation as far as I can tell so I don’t know why you keep dragging her into it….But you are right…I will just ignore your posts and your Crystal conspiracy….stuff.
m2c♥ (((hugs))) thank you
It does mean a lot to me that you have stuck up for my opinion and right to express it even if it is not very popular.
m2c – I just stated I would ignore tex…that goes for you as well. Wasn’t talking to you and I’d appreciate it if you didn’t talk to me. You just love to stir the pot and get things fired up and I’m not falling for it.
She prob. keeps “dragging her into it” for the same reason you all keep dragging RC into it. AFAIK CS has never been cleared if you apply the same rules to her as you all do RC.
I personally think they have both been cleared. but, if HE hasn’t then neither has SHE.
I haven’t read all of the comments before this, only about 2/3 (whew, my head is spinning LOL), so some of this may have already been said. These are just some thoughts I have been tossing around the last few days:
1) I don’t believe any phone calls or letters placed to anyone from an inmate that knows their calls are recorded or their letters are screened. Why give up information to someone not in a position to benefit you for the info. Seems more like an attempt at manipulation.
2) It seems unlikely a gun or beating was involved in Haleigh’s demise. If so, it seems likely someone would have heard something or forensic evidence should have been found to support that. Of course it’s possible LE has some forensic evidence they haven’t released, but it seems there would have been an arrest before now if that were the case.
3)The media isn’t a very credible source of information in this case. Reports have been conflicting from day one…there seems to be a lot of “credible sources” out there. NOT! That is one explanation for the hundreds of theories being tossed around with no corroborating evidence to support the them. For most of the media this is a ratings game mascarading as a public service.
4)I trust LE to do their job; however, those who question their integrity have every right to do so. We have the Freedom of Information Act (Sunshine Law in FL) so that citizens can monitor the justice system. This case just hasn’t advanced far enough in the system for me to question LE’s actions.
5)Oh heck, I said a few thoughts so I will stop for now. The bottom line is we are all making assumptions based on what we know happened in other cases, flimsy media reports and what makes sense to us based on our own experiences.
Having said that, I think whatever happened to Haleigh will turn out to be a senseless act most likely based on reckless behavior. I continue to pray for a resolution for all involved – LE, Haleigh’s families, and all of us who care so much.
JB, please try to understand this.
You are telling TM39 to shut up about her theory because you “don’t get it.”
Well, I “don’t get” some bloggers’ obsessive and often unfounded year-long stoning of a particular person (some of it is deserved certainly but it’s so over the top it’s sickening to me). And you and some others have beaten me up for it – even today.
We are individuals. We have different opinions and are “fed up with” and “don’t get” different things. That’s the way it is.
But please, after raking me over the coals calling me a bully, don’t behave like a real one yourself.
JB I am sorry you have to feel this way about someone that doesn’t agree with you. I have not bashed you for your theories just corrected the untruths that continue to be a part of the media that seems to be what everyone is basing their theories on. I have not relied on the media or other bloggers for information I went found it on my own.
JB are you at work, do you have access to Twitter or RadioNewz?
CNN started coverage on a live update from LE. Cut out but it will be back on soon.
Can this just stop now please?
The way I look at it no matter what we all want resolution to this case and justice to prevail. Not everyone can be right and not everyone can be wrong. When and if this case does get solved some are going to be wrong. Chances are that the emotions they have been feeling in either being supportive of some or not are going to be crushed no matter what the case may be. I’m not looking forward to that outcome to be quite honest. Every single person who is posting here has the heart to contribute their thoughts and opinions each and every day. I think that value of caring is equal amongst everyone here.
I appreciate that.
katfish….. great post, thanks for sharing!
m2c – tex….”ignore – To pay no attention to: disregard.” Just in case you need help with the definition. You ask me to ignore, I comply and then you keep posting to me. IGNORE ME! I WILL IGNORE YOU! DOESN’T GET MUCH EASIER THAN THAT!
HaLeigh is most likely deceased. Wow to hear that!
News4jax presser:
This is now OFFICIALLY a homicide investigation. Numerous arrests expected to be made. “People are starting to talk”. SH
JB
Has officially changed to a homicide, Hardy says Haleigh is likely gone! There is no one under arrest but they do have a person or persons or interest! Said items have been recovered!
So sad!
b*a – yes, at work…no access to Twitter, YouTube, video, etc. Why? Am I missing sumpin….again? LOL
I feel like my heart is broken in A THOUSAND PIECES. I really wanted her to come home alive!
Did I hear right that Misty might be talking?
This is truly a sad and horrible day. I dreaded ever hearing those words.
Its now offically a homicide. per LE. Several persons of interest. jmo
KIR / Tanya – Thank. OMG! I’ll be back. The tears are falling and I need to step away from my desk. God Bless you little angel. We will find you and bring you home and give you the respect in death you didn’t receive in life!
To be honest I hope with everything I have got that my own beliefs and thoughts on this case are way off base.
Romewi said,in April 15th, 2010 at 3:19 pm Did I hear right that Misty might be talking?
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Yes, Rome. SH said Misty’s demeanor has changed and she is calm and talking
Wow… Misty’s demeanor… Hardy’s response… calmness, she realizes she’s in trouble! (paraphrasing)
Wow Keep it Real. So sad. I wonder what evidence they have to make the call like that?
I can’t find the press conference. Only news reports on what was said. Any links?
Sheriff said Misty knows she is in trouble!
Thanks Anth, I’m full of it…er…thoughts. LOL
Thank you, Tuff Stuff @ 3:07pm
You are absolutely right.
Everyone is entitled to express themselves here.
I, for one, will not be crushed no matter who is to blame. I don’t care if it’s R or C or MG or M or T or Joe or an SO or an alien.
All I want is to be sure they get the right person. That’s why I’ve always tried to keep my mind open about so many different possibilities – all of which are still valid as far as I can see (except the alien one – I never really believed that LOL!). To me there’s no reason to rule anything or anyone out yet.
We just don’t know yet.
Thanks Anth, I’m full of it…er…thoughts. LOL
SH eyes where very red like he has been crying and I cant really blame him. jmo
Haleigh Marie Cummings may you watch over your little brother and protect him! You didnt deserve any of this baby girl!
I feel for Haleighs family her mother, her father, her brother, her sister, her grandma’s and grandpa’s, her aunts, her uncles, her cousins, her friends, and last her family here at BNN! We love you Haleigh!
Did anyone get the Joe reference… I didn’t hear it well?
well… i don’t know what to say.
i think i need to go sit quietly by myself outdoors somewhere for a while.
i could kick myself a thousand times for letting myself believe this could have turned out any differently.
i owe an apology to Crystal and her family — I had really thought/hoped they’d taken her — I figured that would have at least meant she was alive and well.
such a darling little kid. i still just can’t believe it.
Okay, so did they say “ARRESTS” as in plural? Aren’t all the players except for Joe already in jail? So who else? Misty is in trouble and knows it? Because she lied or because she was involved? Good grief! I’m about to lose my mind here! I think I’m going to puke!
He is lawyered up.
JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 3:37 pm Okay, so did they say “ARRESTS” as in plural? Aren’t all the players except for Joe already in jail? So who else? Misty is in trouble and knows it? Because she lied or because she was involved? Good grief! I’m about to lose my mind here! I think I’m going to puke!
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Maybe there are some accessories after the fact that knew what happened and didn’t tell. Like Lindsy, Ma and Pa and maybe even Timmy.
Hello thewoodlanddark…keep your chin up. We’re all devestated…even though we’ve probably known down deep inside that she was gone…we were all hopeful. I just hope she didn’t suffer. So help me, if those creeps abused her and tortured her I’ll just die. I really feel like my heart is going to explode right now. I’m shaking, I can’t stop crying…I’m nauseated….and I want to HURT whoever is responsible for this!
tobias said,in April 15th, 2010 at 3:37 pm He is lawyered up.
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Yeah and that didn’t “just happen” like Sheriff Hardy insinuated, he’s had a lawyer since the first implicated him waaaaaaaaaay back.
JB said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Okay, so did they say “ARRESTS” as in plural? Aren’t all the players except for Joe already in jail? So who else? Misty is in trouble and knows it? Because she lied or because she was involved? Good grief! I’m about to lose my mind here! I think I’m going to puke!
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what about Timmy? The wives?
Karen….that could be it….and rightfully so…if ANYONE knew and kept their trap shut I hope LE throws the book…heck, the whole dang library at them!!!! SHAME ON ANYONE WHO KNEW AND LEFT THAT BABY IN THE COLD DARK CRITTER INFESTED WATER TO ROT LIKE GARBAGE! DAMN THEM ALL!
I turned on CNN and just heard JVM, I am sorry, I’m not local but I checked all the sites I usually ie WESH WFTV etc Please direct me to the correct site, I would love to hear LE not more opinions from JVM.
Please.. your input is deeply appreciated.
My understanding is that LE has NOT confirmed/denied if the already arrestee will be arrested/charged for HaLeigh’s case. Did I miss that?
Vaquera – yeah, and if Lindsey, Timmy and Chelsey are arrested who will look after their kids? Hank and Lisa? Good Grief. This is a tradgedy on SO many levels. So many lives ruined. I just want to know the truth. My mind is racing. Why won’t they just tell us what happened?!?!?!
That just means they cant talk to Joe with out his lawyer and he is not going to say anything that would lead them to arrest him so they will need proof to make an arrest if there is one. jmo
RIP Sweet Haleigh baby.God received the most beautiful sweet Angel ♥
I am so heartbroken over this.
LE said the tip didn’t come from TENN. So they had to have got the tip from M Or T. Hope they replay it.
Just because someone is in jail doesn’t mean they can’t be arrested on charges related to Haleigh. I’m not saying that is the case, although I’ll be surprised if at least a couple aren’t charged that are already in custody. The sheriff did make it sound as though there would be a number of arrests, so Karen you have a pretty good poi list started there.
Can someone please tell me who SH is? Thank you.
If it is a homicide then I guess that rules out any accidental overdose. Please tell me this baby wasn’t alive when they dragged her out of the house and that she didn’t suffer. Bless her little heart. The fear she must have felt. ANIMALS!
tobias said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
He is lawyered up
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He has had this attorney for at least 13 months if not longer for whatever he got in trouble for back in TN
People are speaking as if LE said yes, they are in custody… did he say that?
Robin – Sherrif Hardy
The children would in my opinion go to in laws.
The croslins are not going anywhere near those kids and have been told by LE not to have contact per Lindsy. jmo
tobias said, in April 15th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
He is lawyered up.
Wouldn’t you be?
Anth, HLN showed a clip of Sheriff Hardy so if you hang there they will show it again….they show everything over and over again.
You have joe mixed up with josh Overstret, many did Josh is another cousin and so is Brandon. Different families.jmo
I wonder what items they have recovered. I guess whatever it is it backs up the story Misty/Tommy have told….yellow rope…perhaps tied to a brick or something….part of a bag….bones? Ugh.
LE has accused Misty since the beginning … She has remained in trouble with them since the first day!
Lets hope she isnt corroborating Tommy’;s theory ..
Hopefully Tommy hasnt come up with the story (with his powers that be) ..knowing full well that Misty is desperate enough to say anything to get someone to stop looking at her…
She is young and esaily led.. lets hope her apparant naivity has her being a part of this as her last hope of getting this dealt with …
I wouldnt blame her for her doing it.. LE has had tunnel vision from the get go… They wud be sold easily..even by someone like Tommy who apparantly is the only one who has brought all the ionconsistencies to this tragedy again and again…I cud see how Tommy wud have known that Misty wud probably be on board with this nonsense..
If one is browbeaten enough ..they start to believe what is being told of them..
LE has said from the start that Misty holds the key.. MAybe she is just telling LE what they want to hear… what else does she have to lose?
katfish said, in April 15th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Anth, HLN showed a clip of Sheriff Hardy so if you hang there they will show it again….they show everything over and over again.
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
So Misty is “in trouble”. Does that imply to anyone else that she was involved? Sure sounds that way to me.
Fed Up With The Misty Fest said, in April 15th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
I cud see how Tommy wud
Where did you go to school?
No, I don’t have Joe mixed up with anyone, he had a lawyer with him when he was questioned a yr ago. I thought Joe was on probation at the very least..but in any case Joe and Jennifer in the blue caddy both had attorneys when the FBI talked them last Feb.
Okay… I’m off to find some the vid coverage. My questions are not being answered here!
Fed Up…it would appear, at least to me…that Misty WAS at least partially the key…that she has known all along what happened and if she is now “in trouble” then probably took part in whatever happened. I don’t think she is talking just to hear her head rattle….she told a story and it appears they found evidence to back up that story…which would in turn mean she has FINALLY told the truth….and perhaps she will face charges for her part…who knows….but SH did say she KNOWS she’s in trouble…we just don’t know if it is for murder, accomplice, accessory or impeding an investigation ( or all of the above)….time will tell
I thought he was on probation too. I thought that was one his excuses as to why he hightailed it back to Tenn. so fast after Haleigh went missing. He wasn’t supposed to be out of state.
JB, I don’t think calling this a homicide rules out an accidental death if it was an OD on drugs given to sedate her. I’m pretty sure a homicide is a death at the hands of another, not natural causes. Murder would be intentional homicide. I won’t be offended if I’m wrong and someone corrects my post.
b*a…if you find anything please come back and share.
katfish…you could be right…hadn’t thought about it that way…if they drugged her and she OD’d then I guess it would be a homicide. Just not if she got into the stash and took them herself. Sounds intentional whatever it was “they” did.
Karen – I wonder why Joe wasn’t jailed if he was on probation and left the state? You would think his PO would obviously know by now that he broke his probation and he would be in trouble. But what do I know?
I saw a pic yesterday of a 10′ x 10′ foot squared off section to search in about knee deep water.. My question is “why would LE even worry about searching there” If you throw a body in , you’d take it to the middle to sink it, in a rowboat bcz obviously it would be found in shallower waters. Secondly even if it was a smaller item like a gun wouldn’t ya think they’d give it a heave-ho to the middle rather than throwing to the first bucket on Bozo’s BigTop. If anyone threw anything in ,they would’ve cleared the last tenth big prize bucket and sunk it in the middle. I hardly doubt anything floated back up from the middle to the edge in knee deep water between the docks. Is that just set aside for doing a quick scim of contents before sending off to be looked through or what? P.s i personally didn’t see misty pointing out to the river .
Katfish- I think it is called homicide by neglect and I think you are right.
snippet from FirstCoastNews.
Tips obtained during interviews have led various law enforcement agencies who have been searching for the girl to believe Haleigh is no longer alive, said Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy.
He added no arrests have been made but persons of interest have been identified.
“At this point, I’m going to say I’m comfortable calling it a homicide,” Hardy said during a brief news conference this afternoon.
He said the tip didn’t come from TN regarding the search. Wasn’t it said that it came from Massachussetts????????? So he was telling the truth that the search area didn’t come from TN.
Mel22 – not sure…didn’t see the 10′ X 10′ pic…but I guess they are being thorough….even if they threw her body out in the middle….and this is going to sound horrid….it would eventually decay and once the skin and muscles were gone, the bones would come apart and could drift to the shore area with currents. Plus, animals would scatter the remains so I guess they would have to check the whole area…..JMO….I obviously don’t know for sure.
I guess they could have also been told of other evidence that may have been dumped with the body that they are looking for. They obviously have found “something”….as they now have evidence found at the scene. Not sure if it was found in that 10′ X 10′ area you are talking about but it was found there somewhere.
JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 2:52 pm Tex Crystal is not part of the current investigation as far as I can tell so I don’t know why you keep dragging her into it….But you are right…I will just ignore your posts and your Crystal conspiracy….stuff.
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Brown apparently worked for Crystal, so as far as I’m concerned, she is a big part of what is going on right now. With Dominic Casey, I believe the As knew much of the stuff he was doing, and I think it is probably the same with the S’s & Brown. For all we know, one of that group planted something by the water that belonged to Haleigh, so as to start this happening. Apparently they’ve done that before.
More and more, this is looking like a wild goose chase.
cent- I will answer you sweetie….to the best of my knowledge SH didn’t say one way or the other…he just said noone has been arrested in relation to Haleigh yet.
MyFoxOrlando has it up now!!!
Thanks… KatFish… you saw my frustration..eh? I’m listening now again to the presser… waiting for the bit about cousin Joe!
Me–I follow your thinking.
in the jail tapes , Tommy’s wife talks about throwing out boots, then a week or so later i hear conflicting reports that she called in the tip about the river after the grandmas phone call from Tommy. Now they got everyone out there searching a spot that J.O was known to frequent for fishing. Could one of the items be the pair of boots that she decided to throw out for some reason. She may be the credible tip that tipped of the P.I bcz she realized she herself was starting to cover up things ( and wanted it to finally end it all ) by getting rid of boots that he may have worn the night she went missing. What do you think? ( just speculating )
me – how can you say this sounds like a wildgoose chase? Misty is telling them what happened, they’ve found evidence at the scene and you still think Crystal and clan is setting Misty and her clan up? WOW! Okie dokie. To me it sounds like people are confessing so I don’t see how that implicates Crystal or her family….but I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
tobias said,in April 15th, 2010 at 3:50 pm You have joe mixed up with josh Overstret, many did Josh is another cousin and so is Brandon. Different families.jmo
I thought Joe and Brandon were brothers not cousins?
JB,
Is Misty credible now? Tips from junkies trying to get themselves out of trouble carry little weight for me (whether it be Nay Nay, Misty or whoever). If LE has physical evidence, I will start to change my mind.
me — why would they deem Haleigh’s case a homicide if they were on a wild goose chase? it seems to me they have apparently found something there for them to announce such a thing.
Lord help me! i think im gona faint!!!
It amases me how Misty has no record.An even if she tries to come clean,all i hear is she lieing..When she did try from the beginning to say thing about these boys/men involvment.An i think LE COULDNT /OR WOULDNY PAY HER ANY ATTENTION.Even as far back as the beginning,an when Tim M,had those test run on MC.she tried to say something,but guess what the tester,Tim,LE an ALL blowed it off.
She should have been taken in on Neglect,an questioned,an TC,JO should have been place in to in the beginning an kept for deeper interrigation.They would not have these drug charges.An if that county saw this young girl in trouble at 16/17 why didnt someone seek help,or place her in rehab.She may be a better person.Haliegh may be alive.Ron may be out today with his children.
Thats a corrupt town,an nothing has been dont to clean it up before,an Haliegh going missing exposed it,an seems theres not much clean up NOW!
Then we have a brother who is strung out,an creeps in the night,doing B$Es, Im sure wearing dark cloths no doupt.He likes guns,they bring more dope from some dealers.His only way to supplie his habit.Hes sneaky.Hmmmm But he wasnt lieing according to LP an those who think oh hes a dad,an has Lindsey,well that should have made him think twice about what he was doing.An Lindsey put so much faith in him,an MC was the one every one has dogged .Lindsey bubble got busted,but she even said when he got high he got mad,an acted made.Listen close to her talking to Tom on thoese last videos.So that says when high he has a anger PROBLEM. Better go back an retrive those boots she threw away,he could have been wearing them that night.
But MC could of tricked if she needed money to get dope.
Joe has a record,an he was sneaking around that nite,an not where he was suppose to be,an brought the van home in a mess.But people are looking at his little video,with his lawyer sitting by him,the lawyer whos helping him in a lawsuit,an my get money to fight J charges,if they come.But oh bot her we have followere who dont want to believe MC again.But If he was there an didnt do it to me that leave TC to do it..
Misty has a lawyer who deals in corprate stuff,he may not want to be seen because he works for those who wont allow it.
Its not all le playing this out in the media.Its the media hounds out their trying to get a story.Thats why shes seen on the dock.Media shots LE NEVER REPORTED THEY WERE TAKING HER THERE.UNLESS THERES A LEAK,AN IF SO THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE FIRED.
From my point of view i would believe MC before theives.An night sneakers.Wearing dark cloths no doupt to keep from being seen going in someone shed,or home.
I still think MC may not have been home,an is still scared to tell it,or was asleep ,an i think she would have been worn out from parting that weekend,if she did.I didnt hear signs of a stoned person on 911 call,i heard A person in shock ,an scared.An i heard a man comming in from work upset tired an getting frustrated
An it sickened me when that man came on tv an said he solved the case,an was Crystals pi.But he worked for Tommys lawyer. This case isnt solved yet.An to think he took credit for doing WHAT????? all the hard work many have done in this case.An Granny calling an giving word to PCSO that Tom told her .How can he claim all credit .Sickning.
Americe needs to pay close attention,an put free rehabs in every town for our youth.Instead of charging 8,ooo dollars or more to get in a inhouse on.Many sick on drugs would go,if they were free.Because if we dont help them get clean,an counseled,then their babies will grow up to follow in their foot steps.Stop giving DEPT OF Children servises ,a free walk when tey are called,an they do nothing.Untill a child dies,get raped or abused.Fire their buts when they say well we are understaffed.NO they didnt do their job.Judges who let Pedifiles,So ,rapest out on low bonds,an out early from prison,or light sentences.An them another child gets hurt by that person Fire that Judge a charge him.Bet that will wake tham up.
In all essence when Americans humble their self,an falls on their faces together before God with Fasting,an much Prayer.God will heal this dieing geniration.An put a stop to the evilness that is roaming this land.An he will change the heart of man/woman.But when people have rebelled against him ,an taken him out of the homes,an not taught their children .Then we can look for more troubles,an sorrows.Judgement om Americe,the land with freedom to worship.Freedom to serve an walk in his ways.Not mans way.
Mel22…it will be interesting to see who told what and just how many people KNEW and started talking. It is starting to sound like everyone started to crack and talk at the same time. Both Misty and Tommy called the Gmom in TN the same night, minutes apart and started talking. But if we learn that Lindsey and/or Chelsey (or anyone else) KNEW ALL THIS TIME and they waited to 14 months to come clean I hope they are charged!
I thought Timmys wife from MA called in the tip about the river not Tommy’s wife.
JB,
I never said Crystal & clan were setting Misty up. I have no idea what is going on. But I do think it’s possible that someone from that side of the family has sent them on a wild goose chase, or maybe Misty or Tommy has. I will wait and see before jumping to conclusions.
Gotta go to work. BBL. Hopefully there will be some good news and Haleigh will be found alive.
I wonder how hot little Misty will look after a long dose of prison.
On my five pm news they just say LE as a suspect no arrest is made yet, but did confirm Haleigh is most likely dead.
Sadly.. I feel bad for Crystal and her family. As for Ron I feel nothing for him, I have my reasons and my opionions but just like I said before he will have to live with it the rest of his life for all that has happened.
I wonder if they started talking because the Meemorial bridge was being searched? That was a weird occurence. Ron and HOPE WENT OVER THAT BRIDGE TO GO TO COURT, DID mISTY AND tOMMY GO TOO? JMO
JB, thanks for the info I had no clue they just announced finding “evidence” until you said it. Is it possible Tommy’s wife didn’t know but had a thought that she should probably dump the boots to save her husband in case it went to trial against him? I hear he’s bonding out so maybe he gave up whatever info they needed. But letting him go means they would think he was not present when it happened nor was involved in dumping the body or he’d be sitting there with no bond.
Through tears I type this,through the same tears, I take this all in. My tears are of sadness…and relief, and anger. I am sad that investigators are certain this is a homicide. HaLeigh is dead. I am angry. I feel as though I have been punched in the stomach. I can’t imagine the pain her family must feel right now. My grief is for them. It is for you all here at BNN. It is for myself. I am relieved to know that HaLeighs pain is over. Her fear is over. She is with Jesus now, and that comforts me. I am so mixed up right now that I can’t think. I can’t breathe. I have to go now. I love and respect each and every one of you here and my prayers have always and will always include you… bye for now.
kbrooks – they said “A SUSPECT” as in an individual or plural “SUSPECTS”? I’ve heard it both ways now. I feel bad for Crystal and her family too. I feel bad for some of Ron’s family and I do pity Ron but I can’t say that I feel much more than that for him. I still say he brought all of this on with his choices. If he had stayed away from drugs, hadn’t shacked up with a druggie teenager, his daughter would still be alive.
katfish said,in April 15th, 2010 at 3:46 pm Just because someone is in jail doesn’t mean they can’t be arrested on charges related to Haleigh. I’m not saying that is the case, although I’ll be surprised if at least a couple aren’t charged that are already in custody. The sheriff did make it sound as though there would be a number of arrests, so Karen you have a pretty good poi list started there.
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This is a good question!!!
Would an already incarcerated person be arrested or would the DA just add additional charges? Misty already faces charges in Putnam county.
Are all of you retards from the south?
methinks,
I’m not yet convinced Haleigh is gone. Unless/until I see some physical evidence to confirm that, I’ll continue to hold out hope.
methinks…take care my friend. Hugs. Hang in there. We’re all dying inside right now and we’re all on edge. But there WILL be justice for Haleigh.
TM39,
If they are already in custody they should simply be charged, not arrested. Arrests would only be for those outside custody.
So far, it’s all talk and no action. Why announce they will arrest people?….why not just do it if they’ve got the evidence?
Maybe the boots were thrown away because of the recent incidents and werent worn on the night she went missing but it seems odd she would mention that to his surprise
JB,
When they conducted the massive search at the Griffis farm, with various LE departments involved, I did not jump to the conclusion that Haleigh was dead and buried there. I feel the same about this search. I will wait and see what, if anything, comes out of it.
me – I can’t blame you for holding on to hope that Haleigh is alive….I wish I could too…but sadly I’m coming to the realization she is gone.
Sources close to the investigation say there are four persons of interest. They expect four person’s to be charged within two weeks time.
I bet this new river search will be wrapped up by tonight or tomorrow and nothing new will be found except evidence that turns out to be nothing important.
Sources close to the investigation say there are four persons of interest. They expect four persons to be charged within two weeks time.
Billiejoe andbobbysue, go away. You are empty of heart and soul and you have no place here.
Under Florida’s Sunshine Laws, when can the public and media start seeing the “evidence”? Is it after an arrest has been made and someone has been charged with murder? Someone who knows please clarify this, because I am wondering what “evidence” was found that implicates any of these people and why Misty has always been the focus, but never named a “person of interest”, nor a “suspect”, even after 14 months.
me – at least to me it seems that Misty and Tommy have given some details about what went into the water with Haleigh…and then LE has actually found those items (like perhaps the yellow rope, rope tied to a brick, etc) just like what was described to them in the area that was described to them….and they are surmising, based on that evidence, that Haleigh was indeed murdered. But finding a body, a small body, after 14 months in a river with alligators, turtles, fish, etc., won’t be easy and they may never find her. She was small and could easily been ingested by an alligator….her remains could be ANYWHERE by now.
JB,
There are so many conflicting reports at the moment, that I have no idea what to believe. I have always believed Misty, Tommy, Joe etc might be responsible….but the stories at the moment are all different…some have Misty helping and getting her drug sentence reduced, now Hardy is saying she is in trouble, others say Tommy helped, Brown claims he solved it.
The part that still has me suspicious of the S/Gs is the claim (don’t know if it’s true or not) that Brown found some physical evidence at the search site. If he did, I sure hope it wasn’t planted there for him to “find”.
Hopefully everything will become clear soon.
They can make up anything about how she died and blame it on each other and all of them get away with a jury from “reasonable doubt”. No bones per Sheriff Hardy.
“A statement from the Sheriff’s Office said it was not known if the items were related to the investigation but that they were being forwarded to independent labs for analysis.”
“The sheriff would not name who they suspect, only saying they suspect several people. He did say they have not found bones during the most recent searches, just a few items that could be part of the case.”
Here it is said,in April 15th, 2010 at 4:37 pm Sources close to the investigation say there are four persons of interest. They expect four person’s to be charged within two weeks time.
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All talk, no action. Why not charge them now? Guess they don’t have evidence??
so thats just about anybody (as usual)
I wonder if the items of interest they are looking for and may have found are the blankets.
me said, in April 15th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
TM39,
Why announce they will arrest people?….why not just do it if they’ve got the evidence?
Because they are being bombarded with inquiries.
There has been so much pressure on Tommy & Misty, that frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if they made up a story to LE.
Glad they’ve found no bones and hope they never do.
And now I’m running late for work and really have to go! BBL
All talk, no action. Why not charge them now? Guess they don’t have evidence??
They are firming things up moron.
wow!! thank you b*a i just listened to sh on FoxOrlando . It is so very hard to reply in real time due to the magnitude of posts on this thread. I have listened to SH speak before, however IMO I have never heard him speak with such candor or emotion. Granted there are still so many unanswered question, but his last statement re: Misty, really surprised me, in that he was so blunt or direct… help me out here katfish, I am trying to find the right word without offending anyone here…. I know emotions are running high today….. anyway I am shocked at the last comment by SH, was not expecting him to answer that question, when he (understandably) was not able to be specific on so many other questions.
Texasmommy39, When the extra drug trafficking charges were filed against Misty in Putnum Co. she was transported to Putnum County to be charged and then returned to St.Johns where she had been incarcerated. IMO,IF any of those already incarcerated are charged related to Haleigh, they will be officially arrested but at the end of the day it will be the same as if the state just adds the charges. I don’t know how that works as far as where they would be housed, just for example it was Misty and Tommy, would they be moved to Putnum if they faced more serious charges their than St. Johns? Anybody familiar with how that would be done?
The evidence found proves the story being told and who knows yet if they found bone shards or anything like that yet? We may see more coming out later. But with the story and evidence to back up the story it looks like S Hardy believes it because he has said in the presser it is a homicide. jmo
Here it is said,in April 15th, 2010 at 4:45 pm All talk, no action. Why not charge them now? Guess they don’t have evidence??
They are firming things up moron.
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Are you psychic, moron? Or just making things up?
Robin…the info cannot be made public until a person is charged / arrested. Then there will be a time when the evidence is processed and then passed to the defense before it is released to the public.
I think Misty has been the focus because it has been obvious by her actions and body language that she knew more than she was saying. She was the last person KNOWN to be with Haleigh. Her story changed, she has acted strangely, made conflicting comments, couldn’t fill in time gaps in her story, etc. Those are all red flags to LE. It may not mean that she actually killed Haleigh but they have been sure all along that she DID know the truth or could give them enough info to help them solve the case. JMO
tobias said,in April 15th, 2010 at 4:46 pm The evidence found proves the story being told and who knows yet if they found bone shards or anything like that yet?
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What evidence have they found and what is your source? I thought they weren’t sure if they found anything relevant. Do you have some inside info or something?
And you don’t believe them when they say they’ve found no bones? Why not?
I hope they didn’t find a few old lighters and pop tops and call it evidence only to say never mind it wasn’t connected. The statement that they found evidence but are not sure if it is related is too generic. obviously trying to keep it under wraps. I think her letter conflicting her original ‘woke up and gone’ story is why he said shes in trouble.
bj and bs, I am retired and from the south.
Your welcomed Anth! I’ve listened to it about 3 times now, and agree Sh was very blunt. I would also add confident… when responding to Misty’s demeanor.
Anth, I haven’t heard the pressor all the way through yet…buffer buffer…then i get frustrated and come back here…then my browser crashes…argh! From what I have seen of it I agree I have never seen SH so candid or emotional. he looks like he has been up for 3 days. I’ll go try again. 😉
Please everyone…Stop….breathe…relax. It’s getting ugly in here and we are all in need of a break.
Because they arent going to tell you something they dont know yet. The evidence has gone to a lab.jmo
me – they said in the video they DID find evidence…but I believe they said they have NOT found bones….but I doubt they would. Alligators, turtles, animals scaveging, currents carrying them down river…..it has been 14 months…it is doubtful they would find anything. She would have decomposed, and what hadn’t been digested and drug off by animals would have been carried off by the current by now. The brick or whatever they used to weigh her down would work before she decomposed but obviously not after. They probably found the weight and rope JUST as Tommy and/or Misty described it….at least that is my guess. They might even have found something of Haleigh’s in the water…a necklace, something….who knows. But you have to admit if something was described in detail to them such as a weight and they found that exact object, it would be pretty convincing.
M CENT 15….Can you provide us with some humor here? come on sista” Give us the NG imitation or somethin! Help a sista’ out here! LOL
I know there is nothing to laugh about but God provided laughter too. And rather than turn on each other here…well I just thought …sorry.
I took note with interest that when SH said he wanted to be clear, there have been no plea deals and then added that I know of. The prosecuter would be the deal maker.hmmm
and just for the record…I think ‘ol cousin joe is lying through his teeth. jmo
I say they toss Misty in the creek (with shackles on) and tell her to go retrieve the evidence she and Tommy threw in….but don’t forget to replace her socks and sandals with some lead booties first!
Pink Panther… I am worn out… sorry!! I wish I could be of some help, it does seem some humor/levity would do nicely at the moment.
JB, i THOUGHT THE SME THING WHEN mISTY WAS ON THE DOCK. tHAT GUY HAD TO HAVE NERVES OF STEEL BECAUSE i WOULD HAVE BROKE AND DRAGGED HER IN THE WATER IF SHE WASNT GONNA TALK. sORRY FOR THE CAPS. JMO
Jeff hardy is comfortable with calling it a homicide. I am watching primetime news on hln right now.
No matter what this is a very sad but we all knew this from day one. I just wish they could find her body and bring her home so she can have proper burial.
Praying for the families and all of us who loved and cared about this little Angle. May God bless all of you
M cent 15, thats okay…Stay strong sista’ this is very hard for all of us. I still luv ya!
First Coast news has SH video…..
JB, I like your thinking!
SH says not sure items retrieved are related to the Haleigh case….
HLN has Mike Galannos covering the case now too.
Also thought about the monty python movie when they are judging the witch and thought they should do that. jmo
JB…
JB, In reply to…
” Fed Up…it would appear, at least to me…that Misty WAS at least partially the key…that she has known all along what happened and if she is now “in trouble”
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JB,
I guess if you believe the story that Tommy has just come up with ..then yes, i cud see how you wud feel that way…
I acknowledge that misty has corroborated it, but I personally dont buy Tommy’s new story at all..I think that Tommy st al… (PI’s and lawyers) concocted a scenario… and I believe Misty has jumped on board to corroborate Tommys account only to save her life.. LE wudnt believe her from the start so what does she have to lose?? She has everything to gain….
By himself.. Tommy wudnt be able to sell the story, so needed Misty to come on board. 2 heads are better than one, especially when Misty has already cast suspicion on Joe from the start.
I actually believe that this scenario was posed to Misty in the recent days where she signed on and corroborated this story..(thru her lawyer and PI’s)
I think what will happen in the near future is that Misty will be interrogated again and again where she may later admit that this is a hoax and she was asleep and had no idea what happened to Haleigh just like she has been saying form the start… so i do see it as progress…
I wud also like to see the visitors list for Misty and Tommy in the last 2 weeks.. I bet there wud be alot of duel visitations…!
JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 2:56 pm m2c – I just stated I would ignore tex…that goes for you as well. Wasn’t talking to you and I’d appreciate it if you didn’t talk to me. You just love to stir the pot and get things fired up and I’m not falling for it.
JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 3:13 pm m2c – tex….”ignore – To pay no attention to: disregard.” Just in case you need help with the definition. You ask me to ignore, I comply and then you keep posting to me. IGNORE ME! I WILL IGNORE YOU! DOESN’T GET MUCH EASIER THAN THAT!
************************************************JB I never said I would ignore you . I am sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know that I am insignificant at the moment, but, I want to send you a (((hug))) and tell you I understand. Today has been an emotional roller coaster. We still do not have the answers and until we do can we just agree to be BNN buddies?
JB–Thanks for the information.
In my opinion, there is someone on all sides that have acted out of the ordinary. No one on any side grew up enough AFTER Haleigh went missing, to be above suspicion. There have been drug arrests and drug taking on all sides. There have been lies told and threats made. There have been “false” alibis and false allegations thrown around. NO ONE stood up for our beloved Haleigh! No one thought it important enough to tell the truth since DAY ONE, and NO ONE decided to change because a part of them–Haleigh–was “gone”. This child is “gone” because she was never put FIRST in any of their lives, like she should have been! Shame on every last one of them!
Didn’t SH say they were going to wrap it up about 6pm? Maybe they found some evidence they are confident but not sure enough to report and thats why they are done at the river site.
I have listened to the press conference several times now, and certainly do NOT want to sound argumentative, however, what I am hearing SH say is “it is unknown at this time if any of the items retrieved from the river will provide evidencential in HaLeigh’s case” I do not at any point hear him state they have actual evidence that was found at the current site during the past 3 days that is known to be associated with the investigation of little Haleigh. Rather all of the items retrieved have been sent off to various labs for furthur investigation. So I guess I am confused about the posts where you are talking about the evidence taken from the river relative to HaLeigh’s disapperance and whom it may implicate. Please enlighten me, I must have missed something….
this is the reason torture doesn’t work..the tortured will say anything to make it stop..
JB: I ignore mc2 too.
FYI, persons on probation can travel out of state as long as they get permission from their PO prior to leaving. They would have to indicate date of departure, where they are going, and date of return.
Example gun found they would have to test it to be sure it is the murder weapon and not just some random gun. He cant state something as fact until he gets the lab results for the evidence. jmo
They won’t say whether or not it’s related until it has been prossessed. They just wouldn’t do that. it makes no sense.
Is it just me or is anyone else seeing reports that the sheriff ,is saying she’s likeley dead an in NORTHEAST fla. What’s up with that ? …I can’t find the actual Video from First Coast news and Bing searches brought up three short articles with this same sentence. Can someone go back and see if he says these words in the video and post a link if you got it. Thanks
Does anyone else find it curious that this search got under way right after the search of the Memorial bridge? That was strange to say the least, they said it was about a murder that happened way over by the ocean.jmo
Florida residents, this bill needs your help. Jan and Simon, I hope this is ok to post here. It’s nice to see a State taking a proactive stance for prevention rather than just reacting after the fact. A friend of mine on Facebook is working on getting this Bill passed. 😉 katfish
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It makes sense that LE does NOT have to tell the public anything regarding evidence… especially when they have NOT charged anyone yet!
tobias said,in April 15th, 2010 at 5:21 pm Example gun found they would have to test it to be sure it is the murder weapon and not just some random gun. He cant state something as fact until he gets the lab results for the evidence. jmo
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test it for what and against what? No body or bullet to compare it to.
It was an example.
GGMSykes says she wont believe it until they can prove it. Havent they told her they may not ever find the body? I feel bad for her and I can see where she would rather believe anything else but that Haleigh is dead.jmo
omg..it was an EXAMPLE! lollll
looking for Justice said, in April 15th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Shockwave, According to reports,Misty was washing blankets prior before she went to bed. It was later stated that the beds were made and did not look slept in upon LE’s arrival to the mh and the washer was going and dirty clothes in the dryer. I believe it was TN and AS that cleaned the mh after LE released it as a crime scene for the disappearance.
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Can LE spray the blankets, couch and other items in the mobile home with Luminol (I believe that’s what it’s called) to see if there are any traces of blood or has too much time passed by for that? Just wondering about that. Does anyone know?
OJ @ 5:20
Thank you! I was going to ask you myself but didn’t dare in case you felt imposed upon!
Really appreciate it, though!
Iwonder why there is no updated site on here? Simon and Jan usually update when there is more news. jmo
I wonder if Armando has gotten any news? jmo
They don’t even get to bury her. But, they can hold a memorial. Just so sad.
Hugs to Haleigh and the family who loved her.
Maybe a monument put up at the dock for her. It is sad but at least there may be closure for them now and justice.jmo
Well, in a very significant way, we are not “back at the Mondex,” so at least we can expect more to happen and some story to come from LE, not just from the media speculation.
But still, so little actually answered. It will be fascinating to see what evidence supports changing the investigation to a homicide.
Did everyone remember that today is also Chloe’s Birthday?!!
Mel, is there a small town in North East Florida that begins with the word ‘San’, or ‘Santa’?
I did because its also my nephews and tax day. Crystals is the 20 I believe. jmo
Happy Birthday, Chloe! Marie Griffis was carrying Chloe when the family was called in to the PCSO, wasn’t she? Soooooooooooo cute. Please take good care of this child!!!! And Butterbean and the rest, of course.
IMO, I think all three (Misty,Tommy,Joe) do have something in this. I don’t know how each role plays out,but the actual murderer could have been intentionally Joe, or accidentally Misty with the overdose thing.Tommy could have witnessed it? Or, it could be the other way around. Either way, praying for truth to be told. I hope they can give this little girl the proper burial she deserves to have.
Beautiful, that’s just too much (Chloe’s birthday). They’ll have to be careful not to feel depressed as her birthday rolls around every year.
Then again, focusing on Chloes birthday in years to come may help in some way.
Tobias….I’ve been wondering about Simon and Jan all day. I hope they are ok
Do those of you veterans on this forum expect a new post from Simon/Jan/TJ soon?
Jason., no clue..i’m not from Florida… but the report reads NORTHEAST, Fla. I think its just errant reporting. and i dont know hoe to post proper clickable links on BNN’s site.
Thanks, Mel. We’ll know soon enough.
Yes Jason… I think you’re right!!
How is your patient doing?
Yes, Kate; I think they will IF emotionally up to it.
I hope Cobra is okay he has so much invested emotionally in this. My prayers go out to him too. jmo
There’s Saint Augustine but have no clue how anyone would add that to their reporting bcz after listening to the press release I never heard the sheriff say that.
Iam going to go see what I can find out about Snodgrasses pretrial now if I find out anything I will post it later jmo bbl
Beautiful, he’s comfortable, and has made progress by gaining weight and increased strength. Still not back to normal (what used to be, anyhow), but definately much more comfortable and usually pain free. The pressure sore stayed the same through most of March and is now very slowly growing new skin. It is steady progress and no back-sliding so we are VERY pleased!
THANK – YOU for asking, Beautiful (and you are)!
2010-04-13 194 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT NOT PRESENT
2010-04-13 194 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2010-04-13 194 CONTINUED TO 04/29/2010
2010-04-14 195 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (04/29/2010)
2010-04-14 196 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (04/29/2010)
Looks like he is not yet going to pay for his crimes OMG why is it taking so long?jmo
gee, noone’s around… must be watching HLN and Nancy’s face!
I’m still here Mel. Has anyone heard from the key people……Simon, Jan, TJ, HollysGmom? They are all awfully quiet
Satsuma is located in Northeast Florida. it’s not the border but in the NE area of Florida.
No need to thank me Jason, but you’re very welcomed! I’m so glad that he is making progress and it’s due to you and your care. I hope you are taking care of yourself, as well! Wishing you/patient the very best!!
Hope you all are watching JVM.
I just remembered the woman on Levi’s show who said she heard tapes that Donna Brock recorded, in which Misty laughed when she talked about Haleigh being missing.
I can’t explain why, but I have to either mute the TV or change channels every time clips of Tenn. Gma are shown.
Thanks again, Beautiful! I am taking much better of myself recently because I actuallly have time to now that his condition is greatly improved – it no longer feels like a 24/7 crisis.
Hey…Just woke up a few minutes ago (Overnight last night) and got the sad news from AnneinTN….I was surprised there wasn’t a new article myself…
How’s everybody holding up?
I’m glad Jason… keep it up!!
She was SOLD and not murdered. Watch–they won’t find a body.
She was sold over a debt. I’m telling you this: if Cousin Joe was asked about a man named David Knoxx he would more then likely break out in a sweat and get very nervous.
If any of you have the means to have this name put forth to Cousin Joe, then by all means do so. I’m genuinely shamanistic and can tell you that Haleigh Cummings is not on the other side.
Believe or disbelieve, your option.
Mel22 said,in April 15th, 2010 at 5:23 pm Is it just me or is anyone else seeing reports that the sheriff ,is saying she’s likeley dead an in NORTHEAST fla. What’s up with that ?
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St. Johns river runs North up to Jacksonville which is Northeast FL..
Jason said,in April 15th, 2010 at 5:56 pm Mel, is there a small town in North East Florida that begins with the word ‘San’, or ‘Santa’?
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Sanford?
Brian Ladd of Brian’s Dreams kept having dreams about JAX, hwy 29 and a trailor her pin pointed in that area….Hmmm…
Don’t know about everyone else but I cried today watching Sherriff Hardy. It seemed like he was about to at any moment. This is so freaking sad
cathartic said,in April 15th, 2010 at 5:21 pm FYI, persons on probation can travel out of state as long as they get permission from their PO prior to leaving. They would have to indicate date of departure, where they are going, and date of return.
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Um, yeah, I’m gonna got out on a limb here and say I don’t think Joe got permission from his PO to travel out of state. If he had why would he have given that as an excuse to take his azz back so quick? I don’t see him as the type of person to seek permission to go to Fl. from his PO.
Shaman, none of us bloggers have the means to ask Joe anything. So please tell us who Knoxx is?
poohpig
I know what you mean….I was expecting the news but still taking it pretty hard…
You guys got all the news links?
Cath, this shaman has posted this stuff before and keeps posting it with no proof who this person is so it must be a troll.jmo
tobias I am just playing with her LOL
He more than likely got permission… otherwise he could still be violated for the vacation.
Its probably her ex hubby or an enemy she wants to accuse of something by putting his name everywhere. lol jmo
Shaman;
Let me tell you somethying that has been bothering me for awhile…
AFter you gave that information last time about TX…I did what I was doing the other night for indochai and I found that name associated with a specific high scholl as in past student….so ….I joined up with Hollys Gmom as my name and put that I too went to that school….in TX, if not mistaken.
So then the next day someone from classmates starts looking back at me and have repeatedly ever since…..
Now, I ‘m not saying it means anything, just thought it odd and wanted to share it finally.
WHat do you think?
Exactly BA! If he had not, his PO could revoke his probation and THAT would be a reason he could be arrested…if any LE were looking for a reason.
On JVM tonight she played a tape of Grandma Hollis speaking in her living room. GH said that Tommy called her brokedown and admitted Joe killed Haleigh, she called Misty and she confirmed it.
What got me was she continued, I’m the reason they are searching down at that river I’m the one that gave em the lead…I called the sheriff, I called crimestoppers, I called them all. The thought crossed my mind…is there still a $30,000+ reward for leads to Haleigh?
JVM asked Levi Page what he thought of the cousin Joe accusation. He said Misty and Tommy are liars, Joe is being used as a red herring,it’s a bunch of bull.
JVM then asked Art Harris his thoughts. He said…er um…I did break that story on AH.com. AWKWARD! I would think it funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Pagan72 said,in December 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pm Between Dallas and Fort Worth? I sent them an e-mail about it awhile back. She’s being held as a slave by some guy named David Knox.
He’s non-descript, family around. But guess what? He’s the little f***** that took Haleigh!
I think he’s in his late 40’s. He might be a trucker too. Enough of my shamanism.. stay thirsty my friends.. oh, but feel free to check out David Knox in the area I gave. There can only be so many David Knox’s in the world, let alone in that area.
JE
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Old post by same person blaming Knoxx. It’s on here last night too mentioning him on this thread.
Cathartic, that would be the sure fire way to get him locked up.
KatFish… I’m not feeling good about Granny Flo, at all!! I believe they said those things, cause it would be easy to check on. But never-the-less, I’m not liking her.
JVM said Misty was “dragged down to the dock.” Geez, her phrasing sometimes.
NG says their sources say that LE knows what the weapon used is!!
Yeah I get the same vibe from her….she is Lisa Croslin’s mother. That family would throw each other under the bus for a lot less than the reward money, let alone murder charges and whatever else.
here she comes on NG.
Yeah, they are saying it was a rope.
If I was her… Kat… I would make sure my doors and windows locked. Why the taped photo of her and Misty on the wall… no frame!!
I recall SH as saying Haleigh died in the area, but he didn’t specifically say she died in the water.
On JVM she said she tried to call joe and he said don’t try and call me you f’n whore and hung up. ???? Man if I spoke to my grannie that way she would skin me alive regardless of what kind of thug I might be.
Right…she was put into the water AFTER she was murdered/died.
WTF would MS.Flora Hollars not tell this crap before now? They should lock her ass up too!
HollysGmom said,in April 15th, 2010 at 7:20 pm Right…she was put into the water AFTER she was murdered/died.
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That’s not what Granny just said.
Granny Flora is a trip… uneducated or not… she could have used some tact when speaking of the baby!
This is not normal family, no way, no how.
If I suspected my grandson of doing something so horrible, I would not cover for him for a minute. But, I would not be going on gossip shows like JVM and NG to talk about family members either.
Wars are fought in that family all the time, and have been for a very long time, I suspect. And I don’t see one member of that family that I feel would not sacrifice another family member for money or other personal gain.
Just sayin’
ba cent- I don’t know why the pictures with no frame taped to the wall, although I have a chest of drawers from Mr. katfish’s grannie that after 3 years I’m still trying to get the tape residue off from her taping pictures on it. At least it wasn’t duct tape…that was my grannie. LOL
k, WTF, she just listens and never asks Misty or Joe a friggin’ question?????
KAREN said,in April 15th, 2010 at 7:20 pm WTF would MS.Flora Hollars not tell this crap before now? They should lock her ass up too!
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Oh ok, I see, she was told all these stories after she broke down Tommy on the phone. Nix on locking her up then. I wonder why SH would lie about the tip not coming from Tenn.? Or is FH lying?
I think they asked her to tape it there for camera, so she & pic of Misty in same shot? Just a thought…but the tape thing is Fuuunny.
My mom was spray paint!! LOL!
Hit/beat me… but Granny Flora is Misty’s mouthpiece… all very, very calculated!
Well her story is already inconsistent. She said on JVM Tommy told her first and on NG she just said “Niecy” was the 1st to tell her about Joe and Tommy. If that is true when Tommy called why did she say, you’re not going to tell me what I think are you…that Joe did it?
Hope we get audios of THAT conversation…
What did NG mean by they haven’t found her “entire” body? I didn’t think they had found anything.
GH said 3 of her grandkids involved in this so she implicates Misty too.
Was just watching crazy lady NG, I really cant stand her but apparently they know what the murder weapon is and now are looking for it and Haleigh body. I would imagine anything would be left other then maybe the clothes. Does anyone know for sure if this is true? I cant believe half the crap coming out of that woman’s mouth and she just gets on my nervous I cant watch it any more. It just upsets me alot.
Agree HGM. Is niecy Misty?
MominIL- NG seems to make things up as she goes .
At presser Hardy said they had collected a lot of stuff right down to some alligator toenails. They are taking everything they can find to have it analyzed. They are looking for even the smallest of bones.
SOrry…not trying to offend, but if this is now a homocide investigation…we can talk forensically.
The anthropological team MUST have identified some of the evidence as being human remains and they are DNA testing to be sure. The switch to homicide inves means they are realtively sure they have PROOF.
THose anthros on scene MUST have been certain..
Profiler Pat Brown tweeting away….
ProfilerPatB Unless Joe Overstreet were to confess to murder, there is nothing to link him to the crime except two people who… http://bit.ly/axBrKz
Grannie said on NG she has heard 3 scenerios but she thinks the most likely was an OD. Hmmm
OMG! Now they are saying Haleigh WASN’T dead when they put her in the water? PLEASE tell me thaat isn’t true.
I know….
Knife
Rope
OD
It’s all bad, but that just seems worse..
HGM- Does Pat B still have the noose around Ron’s neck? Her theory that Haleigh Od’d before Ron left for work could be a plausible theory as far as explaining Ron’s behavior after but, for some reason that scenerio doesn’t sit right in my mind.
IMO Ron’s behavior was squirrelly because of drugs because he was that kind of guy and drugs and shock.
I am going to give Granny a break. She is old, and we don’t know if she knew anything for sure. She said she tried to report this in several different ways and nobody would listen to her. She may have not know for sure and was going on hunches, and she may have been trying to do it anonymously. This has torn her whole family apart, and she still can’t believe Misty had anything to do with this.
I think I am going to be sick, cry and be angry all at the same time! If it’s true what Grandma is saying on NG then they should all be put to death. Give me a gun, I’ll be happy to be on the firing squad.
well, at least Nancy acvknowledged the mother this time too in her closing
OMG now GH has taken Misty out of the equation.
JB- The way I understood Gh was she didn’t know if Haleigh was alive when she went in the water…because she didn’t ask.grrr
Grandma is a CUCKOO!
She’s been reading these blogs and repeating cuckoo stuff.
She wants that reward money.
To Holly’s Gmom: is your hometown listed as Satsuma on your Classmates profile? I was doing some looking myself online concerning that name–however, all of the people finder sites are usually filled with old info on the person.. so it was pretty fruitless searching.
Did you message this David Knoxx? The only thing I have any doubt on concerning this name is it might only be Knox and not Knoxx.
And, what exactly does the site say when it alerts you to someone “looking at you”?
Let me know when you can.
As for me being a troll? I like trolling for child abducters but as far as making claims I knew to be false to get my kicks? Never had the conscience for that. That would be sick.
Oh, one more thing: if any of you doubt that I AM a shaman, I can give you my name in private. You can take this info to a psychic that you yourselves deem credible (I know, big laugh there!) and have them center on me.
If they are real, they can center on me through my name and get the truth.
I HAVE asked spirits about her (and not evil souls, no truth there).. kept hearing she’s not there. Strange to normal people I know. But you do what you can with what you’ve got, correct?
Who is Niecy?
Shaman are you pagan or wiccan?
Granny may be the only one in the family that is not an addict, and she really can’t even grasp that her grandchildren could do such a thing. I feel sorry for her, because after Tommy admitted that Joe did it, she called the investigator and told him. She also told them where the body was. At least, she has an desire to do the right thing.
KAREN said,in April 15th, 2010 at 7:28 pm you said, “Oh ok, I see, she was told all these stories after she broke down Tommy on the phone. Nix on locking her up then. I wonder why SH would lie about the tip not coming from Tenn.? Or is FH lying?
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Remember, Steve Brown said in a local interview last night he is the one that provided the tip/lead that sent LE to the river? I have no idea what is true.
LE has all the phone tapes they did not need GH to call them they would have been monitering all the calls and taping them.
GH says one story came from someone else down there I would assume from either hank, lisa or Lindsy. I will go later to read the transcripts from the show about that part. It had to do with Misty and a piece of wood. omg that was just so horrible. I dont know how gh could just say those things. jmo bbl
HollysGmom said,in April 15th, 2010 at 7:45 pm Profiler Pat Brown tweeting away….
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Pat Brown should turn in a resignation. The tweets are ludicrious. Like Tommy and Joe are gonna do life/get the DP for RC. Yeeeeeaaaaah, riiiiiiiiiiight. I don’t think either of them are “in love” w/ RC.
Ithink they both told LE because Tommy told gh that he failed the poly so he must have talked to the PI and told him what happened too.jmo
GH called Steve Brown and told him. I suppose he had been contacting her, and she trusted him. Art Harris said Chelsea called LE and told them more about where to look for Haleigh’s body. She probably knew Granny had spilled the beans.
Pagan.
I wish I could give GH the benefit of the doubt, but I can’t. I don’t trust her… and if LE doesn’t want them talking, why is she making the rounds? It’s one thing to come clean with what you know, but do you need to do the circuit. And on top of it your stories change. First it was her wearing the HaLeigh shirts, now it’s her daughter?
And before anyone tries to toss my words back at me, I know what I said about Art dropping the dime. But he is NOT their grandfather!
@katfish, @buddy…. I am mistaken… it is in Northeast Florida. I was assuming it was near the middle of Florida but after looking further at a globe I see it is definitely higher up than I thought in fact very high up … Thanks for clarifying
Jason said,in April 15th, 2010 at 5:56 pm Mel, is there a small town in North East Florida that begins with the word ‘San’, or ‘Santa’?
San Mateo, Fl runs into Satsuma.
Karon, then I hope Chelsea is charged also (if she knew what happened all along).
BA, would that daughter be Joes mother. HGM how many daughters does GH have? I thought it was Lisa and vicky. Am I wrong?jmo
Yeah, i looked at San Mateo when the supposed fake search happened but I think all thats irrelevant now that we know about this river….but with four suspects anythings possible.. is there a new article up yet or did the barrett family take a vacation today ?
gmomof4, Thank-you. San Mateo. Do you know whether that is the town where Misty retrieved drugs from a house, for the UC officer?
Maybe Granny Flora did call with her information and it was coincidental to taking action on Steve Brown’s conclusions. If Steve Brown got Tommy talking about it, Tommy might have needed to talk some more.
Four people – wonder if one is Timmy.
I believe that San Mateo is where John/Marty Sheffield lives and it also the location of the search at the Presbyterian church with Judy Lucia & Gunny.
I don’t know if we can trust her stories, because she seems kind of confused. She is a talker, and it will be awhile before we see the last of her. I do think Lyndsay and Chelseas was getting sick of all of this, too. Lyndsay kept pushing at Tommy to take the LDT. He might not have taken it, if she hadn’t insisted.
hi all,does this mean haliegh is dead on NG tonight,they had we remember haliegh like they did caylee when we found out she was actually dead,insight please
Buddy, thanks for the name of one of the towns (Sanford).
I’ve been wondering a lot about Timmy, too. Misty talks about how tight she is with him so she would be motivated to protect him. And he left town, like Joe, that can’t be overlooked.
The dock is closer to walatka than to san mateo. its off 309 on your way out of satsuma going towards walatka.jmo
Jason:
I think Chelsea and Lyndsay knew, and they were covering for their husbands. I don’t know if marital priviledge will get them off or not.
Timmy’s not the loose cannon that Tommy is though is he ?Doeas Timmy have a prior rap sheet or known to commit B&E’s and play with guns like a cowboy gangster?
I didn’t know they were saying four people were involved. I thought they said several.
Sorry, Flowerchild. It is now a homicide investigation.
Timmy by his own phone call to Tommy has almost gone to federal prison for something. So it would appear at one time he was in trouble for something. jmo
I don’t think Misty will/was protecting Timmy, favorite brother or not, I can’t see her going down for any of them. But what remains, is why in the world was Tommy protesting so much and defending JOE… he was NOT gonna send an innocent man to prison!!!!
I thought Misty’s phone records showed that Misty had called Tommy’s number, and he didn’t answer. Then she called Timmy’s number.
well they must have found some kind of remains to actually say it is a homicide right?
I only brought up San Mateo from a previous Question I asked earlier that ended up being a mistake on my part wondering if the whole area was in the northeast. I was corrected but didn’t mean to bring in a discussion way off from this weeks events.(just to clarify) why it was even mentioned
i did hear NG something about the entire body maybe not being found
I think Hank, Sr and Lisa didn’t know, but all the rest of them knew. They knew if anyone talked, they would all go down.
Johnny Sheffield lives in Georgetown.
the dock is .4 of a mile from where Lisa/Hank lived on 130 Magnolia. It’s just through the woods
.., Big maybe… if Tommy really did help joe move a body but knew he was being listened to than of course he would say it thay way bcz as soon as joe got arrested than joe would implicate him in return… he couldn’t implicate him if he were in on it.. and the words were to make it sounds good to listeners
BA, That was my question too. I have a feeling Joe and Tommy are just the ones who helped Misty. Thats why he said he wasnt going to say Joe killed Haleigh. Or Tommy did it, but according to his last tape he did say he couldnt send Joe to prison for something he didnt do.jmo
My theory is everyone was protecting Misty and they were hoping a SO would be blamed in the beginning. That didnt happen so they all got scared of their involvement and just got deeper and deeper in the lies. jmo
Flowerchild:
They may not ever find a body because of the alligators and other creatures in those water. If they can find some of the things used to weigh her down and other proof, they can call it a homicide.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
But what remains, is why in the world was Tommy protesting so much and defending JOE… he was NOT gonna send an innocent man to prison!!!!
Maybe Tommy was saying all that in the phone conversation “just for Joe to hear”
NITER… could be!
If they beleive Tommy was in on it or just helped move the body they would not let him bond out IMO. Hardy said no plea deals were given from what he knew so the question is. Is tommy out on bond or no.. That would answer some questions.. did he make the 1500 dollar 10% payment to get free yet. Will they even allow bond on ALL charges?
I’m pretty sure Timmy, AT THE LEAST, knew what happened, IF it is true that Misty called him in an early morning hour before the 911 call was made.
my big ? is the why would they kill haliegh,does anyone believe she might have been killed to keep her quiet about something,maybe she was going to tell ron that misty was having sex in the house,and that is what junior heard,maybe she loved her daddy that much that she would tell on misty
Karon, SH said several persons of interest in his pressor. Someone commented up thread they knew someone close to the case and there are 4 involved, IIRC the poster also said the arrests would be made in the next 2 weeks. .
When Ron and Misty got married I read somewhere that the marriage privledge doesn’t stand in FL when the death or abuse of a child is involved.
flowerchild said,in April 15th, 2010 at 8:51 pm my big ? is the why would they kill haliegh,does anyone believe she might have been killed to keep her quiet about something,maybe she was going to tell ron that misty was having sex in the house,and that is what junior heard,maybe she loved her daddy that much that she would tell on misty
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No, if Tommy or Joe killed her it was because they molested her, there would be no other reason to kill her. I don’t think Joe or tommy would cover for Misty if she had killed her, no way,no how.
Jason, that very well could be true since he has never appearedon video and given an interview . We just recently heard his voice after they were arrested. And he was very forth coming with money for phones and canteen.hmmm jmo
Who knows if its really 4 ppl. I only mentioned what was posted above me earlier by someone else but the news said ‘several’..
Anyone know for certain that Misty called her brother Timmy not long before the 911 was made?
Thanks Katfish. I hadn’t read the comment that said four. Hmm.
Karen,well if that is true about the molestation,would that mean misty knew about it stood by and watched it happen then they just killed her,god if that is true they are such really low life’s to harm a disable child and thgey all deserve DP
sorry karon mispelled ur name forgive
Its been said police were called to Tommy/Lindsy’s around the same time Misty called 911 – in response to a complaint about their dog barking.
The dog may have been upset about the killers moving Haleigh.
I thinks the accusations that she was plunged in alive or killed at the dock are just Nncys infatuation with villifying these ppl. Personally , I think it was an accidental Od on Oxycontin and all were involved equally in the coverup. I also hear Oxycontin makes you super aware but am not sure if its an upper or downer so I wiould more likely beleive she picked them off a counter rather than trying to force her to sleep with pills that make you aware and up… Pls correct me iof I am wroing bcz I ve never taken oxycotin but if it makes you aware wouldn’t that be an upper not a downer. Stimulant rather than depressant. I could well be wrong but weightlifters have told me they can lift unreal amounts of weight on Oxycontin..I’ll go to wikipedia npow but add some info to clarify if anyone knows.
Well good night everyone pray for justice for haleigh. One of these POS needs to tell the truth and let these people have closure.jmo
Mel 22 I think HGM (or someone) found that Tommy’s bond was still revoked from his September arrest. That bond was revoked when he was arrested for drug trafficking while out on bond. He also got some more B&E charges too didn’t he? Courtesy of sissy Misty when she first went to jail.
Good night !(for now anyway) I need to file my state taxes online. I already calculated them when i did my federal but I owe the state so I will hit “send” at 11:55 pm. LOL jk I’m going to do it now. with my luck i would fall asleep.
What if the cousin and brother each took turns molesting Hailey while one of them was holding Misty down and then carried Hailey to the dock and forced Misty to go also.Then what if they made misty believe that if Misty said anything about what happened they would both make the police believe she killed Hailey and She would go down for it.Just a thought
Wow 11:55 talk about making then feds wait 4 their money. They deserve to wait with all the money they throw out to fraudulent corporations. Goodnight everyone ..my eyes r tired and i’m too slow of a typer to keep up with the thread any longer. Bye.
news just said they found a cinder block at the search.
Flowerchild:
Apparently something really bad went down here. I can’t give any of them a break, here.
Mel22 NG was commenting on what the GM said she is the one that said that they tied a rope and cinder block around haliegh and threw her in the water,she wasn’t trying to villifying anyone
The vilification of Misty is criminal!! NG is inciting a LYNCH MOB!!
LE bungled the initial investigation so now they are FRAMING Misty!
SHAME ON LE for making a scapegoat of Misty!
I really don’t think anybody made Misty do anything against her will, because she was handing out missing person fliers with Joe the next day.
Tobias said: And he [Timmy]was very forth coming with money for phones and canteen.
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Too generous, IMO. I heard NO complaints from him about his pain in * brother and sister getting in trouble and wanting money from him.
Maybe I am mistaken – maybe Timmy did complain about the cost, if just a little bit.
They called him every day, didn’t they?
Anyone hear him complain a little, just a little, about the COST?
Linda where did u hear that at?
oxycotin works diffently on people it makes some people want to sleep others get wired.I used to take it.
OJ”s Glove are u for real are is that a joke i hope
Jason:
He would tell them he was out of money, at times.
Mel22 said,in April 15th, 2010 at 8:50 pm If they beleive Tommy was in on it or just helped move the body they would not let him bond out IMO. Hardy said no plea deals were given from what he knew so the question is. Is tommy out on bond or no.. That would answer some questions.. did he make the 1500 dollar 10% payment to get free yet. Will they even allow bond on ALL charges?
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Tommy has not been allowed to bond out…someone made a mistake with that by only checking the St John’s records. In Putnam County, his bond was revoked on the charges from September 09…he had bond on them, but that bond was revoked after his drug arrest. The status of that has not changed and he is next before the court on May 13th on that matter.
I don’t know how this “rumor” started, but it is clearly wrong.
Flowerchild
it was on newsjacks4 whatever that news station in fl. is
I don’t see her chewing up oxycontin, it would be a taste worse than chewing up an asprin. How many kids do you know that wouldn’t spit that right out? If that happaned it would have been easier to say that she must have gotten ahold of one of old Hank Srs. pills, he did have a script for them.
I didn’t see Timmy as being free with his money… he had a whine about him, that a lot of folks have when they don’t really want to cough up. I will be super-duper shocked if he is involved!
I think Joe is the scapegoat. I think Ron is involved somehow & Misty is covering for him.
@flowerchild I watched but I wasnt watching closely enough, but it sounded like after the grandma talked about that, then nancy went on to reiterate a few times about being alive just b4 putting her in. I think the cinder block and twine ,if true , would have been used to sink a DEAD body not a LIVE or just killed body. Either way they shouls all face charges for not going forward earlier. Even if they got caught up in it, a person with a conscience would have brpokedown earlier like within a few days but 14 months is like WOW. I can picture a young 17 year old girl being coaxed into going along with a coverup of an OD beyonf her will. her lack of consciuence after the first few days will get her the maximum.
Flowerchild.. OJ is real!
Karon, has Eyes been able to examine the Granny Flo footage, is it enough for her to give her thoughts?
There is a photo I first viewed of one of the Croslins last year, and my immediate impression of it was that the man in it was feeling SEDUCTIVE.
I just took another look at it, and feel the same.
Because I don’t yet know who was involved in the murder of Haleigh, I won’t provide a link to it, as I can’t say for certain that my perception is accurate.
But, if I find out this person was involved, I will point it out.
I had 4 kids and I can’t believe any child of 5 is very likely not gonna take that kind of pill.
Jason… you know better… curiosity is peeked and I’m kinda in guessing mode!
Shirtless?
Beautiful, thanks for your take on Timmy’s ‘generosity’, or lack of. Whining seems normal for a person who isn’t spending hush money.
maybe misty did tell the grandma something but it was because of the torture like pressure put on her by LE..
The political argument against torture is that the tortured always tell the torturer what they want to here. Misty is being FRAMED! by LE for mishandling the investigation in the first place.
KAREN said,in April 15th, 2010 at 9:22 pm I don’t see her chewing up oxycontin, it would be a taste worse than chewing up an asprin. How many kids do you know that wouldn’t spit that right out? If that happaned it would have been easier to say that she must have gotten ahold of one of old Hank Srs. pills, he did have a script for them.
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I agree. If it was an accidental overdose on a prescription med, there would be no good reason for them not to call police.
Jax 4 article;
Suspects (Plural) named but not to public
‘Tweets say Jax4’s decisiion
Hardy says:
Haleigh likely deceased
People are finally talking & cooperating
Misty is starting to realize she’s in trouble.
Link to follow
Thanks for that heads up beautiful”adams
ok .. looks like oxy contin is a pain killer opiod so Iwould assume thats a downer and woul;d put a kid to sleep, so maybe they did force her to sleep with too much and rewalized they messed up in a horrifying way and her crazy bro and cousin got her to go along with a coverup and became ebven more realistically horrifying as the days passed. They caused their own nightmare by unaturally forcing a kid to sleep with pills and didnt have the conscience to tell so they should get the mazimum, but I wouldn’t call them intentional cold blooded killers like death row inmates.
Beautiful – YES, shirtless, relaxed, dreamy eyes (or stoned?). What is your impression?
Also some description that were talked about by others told details that sounded like OD distress.
Just speculation & tweets
If no physical evidence was found, it seems to me we are back at square one. I wish PCSO were better investigators and were able to gather evidence rather than relying on the stories of drug users and hoping junkies will solve their case for them.
I wish they’d send some properly trained homicide investigators down to PCSO to replace this mob. If this search was another wild goose chase because they are getting their “information” from junkies, it really is time for them to be replaced.
EllFlorida tweeting about LIST of names possible some before and after the fact.
I hate to say this,but i felt haliegh had died that very same night when the 911 call was made i never believed she was taken from the house by a unknown person,and with no tips are even one sighting of haliegh,it was like she disappeared off the face of the earth,i am really sorry that innocent children have to die for selfish reasons
Me;
Physical Evidence WAS found…check new Jax4 article….Hardy says evidence found…poeple finally fessin up
whether by foced sleep or picking off the counter , the reason for not calling is bcz they “ran a prescription drug ring”…how would they explain that… that was their motivation for trying to take care of it themselves and found out they couldn’t… so they paniced and started the coverup once she passed , all at the same time with each other in real-time and getting out of hand to the point of dumping the body then coming back to brick the door. ( all speculation of course)
the pcso fell for a red herring…nothing there, never was.
Misty is being FRAMED!
Absolutely! THey couldn’t explain away such a highly scheduled drug without everything tumbling out…so PCSO took another direction. They caught the drugs to lead back to the murder/OD.
was there any dirt from boots or anything on the mobile home floor..possibly tracked in from the dirt at the river.. maybe off some boots that were thrown out… just a guess.. ok im’ out i’m rambling and speculating again
or dirt in the treads of the blue van matching dirt from the river scene.. ok now i’m out…maybe… cant make up my mind
Hollys,
I watched the presser….he said they don’t know yet if the items they found are related to Haleigh….they have apparently been sent for analysis.
Him saying they had POI’s is not significant to me…I would think that the Croslins and Joe were always POIs, even if LE never named them as such before today. As for them “talking”, not one of them is at all credible, and their testimony alone will not be enough to get a conviction. Any decent defence lawyer would rip them to shreds.
No one has been charged, so I assume they don’t have evidence to charge anyone. Perhaps that will change one day in the near future, and perhaps not.
Jason said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Beautiful – YES, shirtless, relaxed, dreamy eyes (or stoned?). What is your impression?
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I would lean in the very relaxed end stages of having smoked some good hash/weed/dank/chronic!
Hollys,
I just want to add, that over the course of time, many people have “confessed” to crimes they didn’t commit after significant police pressure to do so. Where I come from confessions obtained as a result of undue pressure being placed on a person, or threats made to them, are often inadmissible, but even if admitted, don’t carry much weight, particularly if there is no corroborating evidence. In fact where I am, juries generally get a warning that it would be dangerous to convict on the evidence of an informant alone.
This is either going to play out one of two ways.
Either Joe is a monster and got so punked out by Ronald Cummings a few days before and this was was a revenge killing. By why did no one hear her scream if that was the case?
Or an accident and coverup.
We shall see.
if haliegh had clothes on when she went into the river,and god forbid a alligator did get to her,wouldn’t maybe some scraps of cloth be left in the water surely something might have been left
Do ppl really call it dank!!! LOL i never heard that one b4.. thats hilarious.. I can’t picture anyone sittin back and saying, Man this is some good dank ! hahahaha
Mel…. yes… check out a old rap video!! Yes, dank was a name of choice for some time, and it still is in some areas. LOL!! stank dank!
anyone notice part of what grandma said was cut?
Her comment was silenced at one point, her lips were moving but no sound. Typical NG lopsided reporting imho
Beautiful, you guessed right! So, Do you see what I do?
. . . Then its true . . .
Scratch that. It may or may not be true. But it is my first impression of that photo.
IMO scraps of clothes or a brick are what will be need to prosecute someone IF they can find no bones… without that what else would they have? I think scraps would be an ideal find or even the blankets . she might have been wrapped in the blankets and not a bag and they tied it up with rope
Jason… I would venture and say it looks like a coming down gaze… very comfy/relaxed/satisfied.
Coming down gaze – cool. Thanks for your take on that.
It looks like he is in the group wedding photo, which I had never noticed before, and Lisa sure looked different then… wow!
I’m one list for Tenn news tweets…I’ll update if anything comes in.
First Coast News says
Family told about Haleigh’s deceased on Tuesday
Linda, can you post the link to the brick find?
MY MONEY IS Misty and RON are guilty of murder.
I still say the only reason Misty lies for 14 months is to save herself and RON. She loves RON. She got a tattoo for RON. Misty told her mother how her and Ron where getting back together and that LE screwed it up and how she still loves RON. One does not keep quiet for 14 months because your afraid of your crazy cousin Joe…….Misty tried to cough out all these lies to pass a polygraph and she always failed. I say we have no clue what the real story is or what the real time line is… I said from day one Ron is culpable. You wake up to a door propped open you call someone… you are frozen in fear. Misty never talked about feelings or fear. Misty waited until Ron came home to call 911. Ron said during the 911: “Why did ya let my kid get stolen bitach……” My gut says Misty, Ron, Tommy are responsible. Joe I think is an easy pastys’… maybe Joe did search the house and left and maybe Tommy came back to help Misty cover it up. My money has always been on MISTY killed HaLeigh. To convenient to blame Joe 14 months later…. makes no sense that JOE does not blame them. PS RON’s mom has always stood up for Misty and said nice words… this has always made me think Ron is involved and they need to keep Misty HAPPY. Ron and his mother both back and support Misty no matter how many times she changes her story or fails a polygraph.
RON REEKS OF GUILT in my opinion.
MY MONEY IS Misty and RON are guilty of murder.
Granny Flo has waited untill she had one of them actualy say one did it.Im sure shes been watching.An hearing all kinds of stuff.But didnt know for sure.She may have had her suspicions.But as soon as one said it .She called LE thats why she has paid those high phone bills.They are higher because shes out of state.I dont doupt shes probably a good woman.An im sure this hurt her.But it was time.An she busted a call.Im proud of her.She took a stand,as soon as she got it out of one of their mouths.Shes probably the one they all run to in times of trouble.I dont trust someone who was working for either side.Flo had a lot to lose,3 yet she held her ground,an done what was right.Im sure Tom told where an what first.An the pi run with it to.But if any gets the money.lol i believe the granny need it,she told on her own.
yes, is the brick find ” confirmed” or just being thrown around on other forums bcz i mentioned something yesterday about a brick and twine then suddenly ppl are saying it was a yellow rope. Where do they get that its yellow from.. I havnt been on here in six months and feel I missed something. Is any of this ” confirmed” info or just speculation?
okay,I just remembered the inhaler (minor and unimportant detail) but wonder did they just throw that away as well to stage something? Or, did they try to use it on her down at the river if she was od’ing or something.
well if my memory serves me correctly on alligators,if haliegh was thrown in the river with a cinder block tied to her and she sanked i don’t believe a gator can open it’s mouth under water,they usually take live prey on top of the water and do the death roll to drown the victim then eat the body on top of the water,tearing it then gluping down the victim,i could be wrong
@michelle, Ahhh very good assumtion to think about… there would be saliva too if found that could place it to her and if found near the scene… but at this point who really knows what was found.
ok i cant even type anymore..my eyes r going crazy.. see y’all tomorrow
goodnight all have to be up at 4am for work,see what comes out tommorrow,hope they find something to catch who did this
I would like to know WHY the fake search? If Haleigh has passed? Opinions anyone.
tommy told his wife “they (LE) want me to say joe did it and I’m not going too lie”.. well guess what, he did. LIED to save his own hide. But who can blame him, after being set up and made a patsy by LE hes saying what he thinks LE wans to hear..which means nothing he says is reliable.
and by the way, Misty was asleep and knows NOTHING!
They are searching in this particular spot because one of them (probably Tommy) told them – this is where she is.
What is fake about that?
Granny Flo was only saying what she heard as gossip.Lord NG,an Pat mouth ops Brown ,will have a field day with the gossip.Not listening to what granny sad Tom told her.
An Look Ron had his babys,what happened in his house hold.
Could have happened a crystals to.Chads crack pipe.CS pills.Come on now.That house was a making for disaster to.Cloes drug birth.Driving while high with baby in the car,an having sez.DISASTER ZONE ALSO.As sone as she got comfy after getting JR back she failed a drug screen.So Pat Brown needs to shut up. maybe we need MC to tell her what she can kiss.I so loved it when she told Nancy.sorry i know shes not in a place to tell anyone anything but i still LMAO.
Where are all the Crystal did it and Misty is innocent idiots?
Tell Timothy Holmseth he is the biggest idiot of them all. He is ruined. Not that he ever was anything, but he is ruined.
BB12-You are spot on my friend.
O.J.s glove – just because Tommy said that to his wife doesn’t make it so. He could have by lying. I went back and watched the videos a second time and at one point his Wife asks him “are you shaking?”
And how many times did she tell him “I’m sick of this.” And how many times did he remind her she is his alibi? That she woke him up and he was in his boxers??
So much for that fruitcake Granny and Tommy’s BOMBSHELL CONFESSION.
Are we to believe that they are looking for a knife and per Granny (cinder block and rope which she is getting from the threads) BUT TOMMY AND MISTY HAVEN’T TOLD WHERE THE BODY IS?
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Sheriff: Haleigh likely dead and buried
Posted: April 15, 2010 – 4:55pm
SATSUMA — A sheriff says a 5-year-old girl who disappeared more
than a year ago is likely dead and that her body is somewhere in northeast Florida.
Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said Thursday at a news conference that detectives have identified persons of interest in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings. It was the first time the sheriff has suggested that Haleigh was dead.
http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-0…
Doubters;
They would not tell Haleigh’s family she is deceased without some real reasons to thinks so besides liar’s words….they just haven’t said what yet.
fine..tommy did it..but misty had no knowledge and was asleep/passed out when haleigh went missing.
Fine. But then how does she know details if she was asleep?
what details does she know? recite them please..
No flower child…they can open their mouths under water…they just usually bring the catch unto dry ground once it is drowned/dead Hence death roll.
Misty has alwasy been the key to this case, now the door is going to open. And soon that heavy prison door will put these animals where they belong.
If anyone has doubts about Mistys Grandma spilling this story, they have all calls on tape.
RIP Haleigh
From her Grandmother’s mouth “Joe and Tommy did it.” How would she know who did it unless she was awake?
That makes her an accomplice.
Kept her mouth shut all this time….guilty…and Misty couldn’t lie that well….Pffft!
THey might have used that location due to fore-knolwde of gator in residence. Just possible, not confirmed
I believe all 3 will go down, Misty, Tommy and Joe.
In trying to digest all I’ve heard tonight. I think Misty and Tommy are pointing the finger at Joe as a type of revenge killing.
And they didn’t stop him.
Why?
I could by into Misty accidently hitting her and the two young men covering it up. But to tie rope and a block on a little girl and to toss her alive into the river is so abnornal I can’t wrap my mind around it. But this seems to be what they are implying.
Lol I’m so tired I’m making stupid typos’s. Please forgive me.
grandma saying something doesn’t make it true. LE has recorded every telephone call and photocopied ever letter written or received by misty and her posse..random thought, don’t believe something just because someone said it.. I bet you voted for bush didn’t you?
wow… how’d it get so late.
i kind of dread getting up in the morning. just please, please, God, the universe, whatever, PLEASE do not allow it to be true that Haleigh was alive when she went in the water. God forbid.
good night, all. take care.
Cent:
Sorry, I was dozing. No I don’t think Eyes has examined any of GF’s tapes.
Simon,an Jan i know you Cobra,TJ,an who ever else worked hard on this case.Just to be decent an not be able to get this breaking story,which you really did.But i know how you feel.Rudness,an greed for lime light cause some to jump the gun.An its a shame because all of you have worked so hard so long.God Bless you all/We know who really worked,an who jumped in at the last min.God Bless all of you.
Wth? You are letting your emotions get the best of you because you are so on ‘team Misty.’
Listen I didn’t want any of these kids to be involved but the chips are falling where they may and they are falling hard.
Step away from the computer because you can’t handle the truth.Lol
And I would never vote for someone who creates words out of thin air like “misunderestimate.” That is one of my all-time fav bushism.Lol
Okay… Karon, thanks!
Maybe the comment by SH that “Misty knows she’s in trouble” meant…she finally realizes how much trouble she is in for the drug charges (and so decided to talk about Haleigh, hoping for a deal).
I could by into Misty accidently hitting her and the two young men covering it up. But to tie rope and a block on a little girl and to toss her alive into the river is so abnornal I can’t wrap my mind around it. But this seems to be what they are implying.
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Has the rope and block been said anywhere besides the Granny and all her stories?
I’m positive someone on here said that LE was at TC’s mobile home looking for yellow rope. I don’t know how they knew that though.
But I read that last night.
Random Thoughts said,in April 15th, 2010 at 11:11 pm I’m positive someone on here said that LE was at TC’s mobile home looking for yellow rope. I don’t know how they knew that though.
But I read that last night.
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Lenny P said that on NG. He’s been so wrong so many times. I’m surprised he wasn’t kicked out of FL during all his lies on NG regarding Caylee Anthony.
Hardy also said No deals were made….
I didn’t know LP said that last night.
But it makes sense that if they are looking for minute bone, she was weighed down with something.
They wouldn’t be calling in ?anthropoligists? if they didn’t think there was something to all this that came from the Granny.
LP is irksome but they are diving there for a reason.
An on scene reporter described a length of rope with cinder blocks found there.
Not in official article
Random Thoughts said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:30 pm They are searching in this particular spot because one of them (probably Tommy) told them – this is where she is.
What is fake about that?
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I think the fake search Annie is referring to is the San Mateo search, not this one.
Brown, who works for the Sheffields claims he solved the case and he’s the one who sent PCSO there. Gma Croslin claims it was her. And perhaps it was Tommy or Misty. Hard to know which one of them it was. If it was the PI, there is still a chance this is not much more than LP searching the water like he did many months ago in Orlando thinking he solved the case and Caylee was in there.
news said a cinder block was found in the river by the divers.that could mean nothing.
People from the press have been speculating about Tommy having a certain kind of yellow rope or cable that was used to tie Haleigh up and weighted her down with a cinderblock. I think LE was supposed to have found that kind of rope at Tommy’s and they are looking for a match to it at the river. I don’t know if that is speculation, or not, however.
Did GF say anything on NG about that tonight? I am going to listen to NG again in 30 minutes, and see what I can catch.
Maybe they can look at the other cinder block they took as evidence(the one the door was propped with) and see if they are possibly from the same lot. It’s possible the saw blade that was used to cut them left identical markings.
That would be huge.
or it could mean everything….
HollysGmom said,in April 15th, 2010 at 11:24 pm An on scene reporter described a length of rope with cinder blocks found there.
Not in official article
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Link please. Anyone can say anything and tweet about anything.
Ok, I have one silly little question in all of this confusion. One that has bugged me from way back. Why would Ron knowing Misty was out all weekend drugging and having sex with another guy, take her back? Wouldn’t most guys kick her to the curb? Is sleeping around ok with him? Or no biggie. Why was Misty so important to him? Are STD’s of no concern? What was it about Misty that he overlooked everthing. Including her potential involvement in his daughters demise. I just don’t get it.
Has anyone heard if there was any truth to the rumor that I read at Marinade Dave’s website where someone posted that during the interview with the guy who first said he solved the case also stated that Haleigh had originally been moved to one place and then her body recently moved to water? I read that but can’t find the post again.
HollysGmom said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:43 pm Doubters;
They would not tell Haleigh’s family she is deceased without some real reasons to thinks so besides liar’s words….they just haven’t said what yet.
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When did they tell her family she was deceased???? Today?
I know the other day they never said that…just told them they were conducting a search as they didn’t want them to find out through the press again like they did with the mondex search.
Misty may have given the kids something to make them sleep, so she could leave them alone, or because she felt so bad that night. She tried to get someone to keep the kids and they wouldn’t.
Misty kept saying she had the kids 24/7, and I thought, yes, Ron has dumped them on her and going about his own business. She resented that, and she was so young.
She may have not meant for the situation to go bad. That does not excuse all of this, but it may be the fact. Enter the crazy cousin Joe into the picture and tragedy happened. The one I can’t quite figure out being part of the actual death is Tommy. I can see Tommy trying to help Misty. He was crazy about Misty. I have trouble seeing him standing there while Joe killed Haleigh, somehow. This is just my opinion.
maryd – She probably convinced him she was only partying – not sexing it up. And he believed her. Most young kids don’t worry about STD’s.
We don’t know who prompted her coming back to him. He could have said “baby I’m sorry come back and everything will be okay.” Flattering talk from either sex makes one feel needed and wanted. From the outside looking in – both Ron and Misty havn’t had easy lives. It wouldn’t take much for either to want something just a bit better out of life. Who knows .
HERE IS A THOUGHT
LE is making Misty-Tommy believe that LE believes the whole “JOE STORY”… to get Misty-Tommy to confess to their part and put THEMSELVES at the crime scene. Misty-Tommy think they are pinny this on Joe when in fact they are putting a nail in their own coffin. After LE gets Misty-Tommy to place their bodies at the crime scene they will go after MORE… then eventually Tommy will break and RON will go down with Misty.
When LE matches the rope to Tommy’s… They clear JOE… piece by piece this will break.
RON n MISTY are guilty in my opinion.
I base this off of Ron behavior from the 911 call to now and how his mother has stuck by Misty. etc…
Michelle said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
Has anyone heard if there was any truth to the rumor that I read at Marinade Dave’s website where someone posted that during the interview with the guy who first said he solved the case also stated that Haleigh had originally been moved to one place and then her body recently moved to water? I read that but can’t find the post again.
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My blog on myspace has the story/video/pictures of the retired FBI guy etc..
Nothing about HaLeigh body being moved- thats a new rumor-
Can someone refresh my memory as to why RC put a rat in the Croslins mailbox? I read that a neighbor saw him doing it late at night.
What was the purpose of that?
Yes, family told yesterday, released to public more info today
Still no JO arrest
Reporters were talking about how people also use blocks as anchors for boats (Which I have seen before) so could be something or nothing
However, the anchor lady at end of NewsJax4 clip say they are matching evidence found against Haleigh’s DNA for a match…she did not state what the evidence was though….could be rope, fabric, bones, unknow at this time.
I can see Ron not caring about Misty’s affairs with other men. So many others in that area seemed to know what Misty was and I can’t see Ron not knowing. So IMO it didn’t bother him the way it would bother most men.
I cannot see Ron willfully hurting Haleigh. That is something I just cannot grasp. This case is disgusting and unbelievable as it is, and at this point not much would shock me anymore…except that. Ron being directly involved in Haleigh’s demise would be a shocker (for me, that is).
Thanks for your feedback RandomThoughts. Than I’m wondering, if he didn’t have Misty to watch his kids when he worked, who would? I wonder how long he had been working at that job? I think he was only seeing Misty for a few months. Leastwise I think that’s the case. I know this case will keep me in a state of wonderment. The questions just never cease.
Same with me cathartic.
Nothing left to shock me with except the Father having some sort of knowledge and not telling either or being directly involved.
However, the anchor lady at end of NewsJax4 clip say they are matching evidence found against Haleigh’s DNA for a match…she did not state what the evidence was though….could be rope, fabric, bones, unknow at this time.
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Who is her source? They said they sent some things to independent labs for testing but no bones. Anything found in that water IMO would have NO DNA on it like in the Casey A. case IMO. I IMO thinks she is speculating.
Ron’s behavior has been off. LE may still be trying to fiGure his part in all of this out.
They may be looking for Cousin Joe’s shirt. He may have taken his contaminated shirt off and threw it in the water or buried it at the site. I read that Joe didn’t have his shirt on the next morning. There had to be some contaminated clothing, in this deal. The blanket may have been found, also.
NG is reporting that LE knows what the murder weapon was, and they are looking for it.
Possible but Hardy did say in this afternoon’s presser that things were sent to be analyzed and anthropology lab had evidence to check.
Anthropology= Bones (skeletal remains)
Karon said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:06 am
Ron’s behavior has been off. LE may still be trying to fiGure his part in all of this out.
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Ron and Misty are responsible for HaLeigh DEATH-Murder. IMO
Most likely it was Ron’s drugs that killed HaLeigh on Misty’s watch. OR Misty was so high on the drugs Ron supplied. OR Ron killed HaLeigh and Misty stood by…HaLeigh was dead prior to Ron going to work IMO… does not matter. My gut says Ron and Misty are responsible for HaLeigh Death.
Ron behavior from the 911 call – I will murder who did this…to not even searching for his daughter, to never confronting anyone… to the tattoo of HaLeigh, to the marriage, all when HaLeigh was suppose to be MISSING not dead and memorialized. Ron’s mother being 100% supportive and kind to Misty even though Misty has lied, and lied, and lied and failed polygraph after polygraph and is clearly on DRUGS. Yet- she is supportive and allows Misty to care for JR. Ron and his mother still allow Misty to care for JR?? wtf ??
Ron spend his days dealing drugs and his nights getting high not looking or searching for HaLeigh. Dating a stripper while playing Misty. Ron kept Misty real high this entire time. Even after Misty started saying she thought it was JOE (day 9)- RON did nothing. No confronting- Nothing. Kept his mouth shut.
This is why RON REEKS OF GUILT.
Family told they are looking for a knife, box-cutter, sharp instrument per The_Red_Rose’s tweets. Claims told direct from family member…you decide.
Crazy said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:04 am
However, the anchor lady at end of NewsJax4 clip say they are matching evidence found against Haleigh’s DNA for a match…she did not state what the evidence was though….could be rope, fabric, bones, unknow at this time.
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Who is her source?
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ART HARRIS = pppffffttttt
I kid you not…. he just makes this sheet up from common sense… kinda like LP….
Gets his broke behind on tv.
They are saying Hardy said it is a possible conclusion that Haleigh was murdered right there by the river and that would explain lack of blood or DNA at the scene.
B12-CHris
Good points! Especially not trying to confront JO. AFter all his ravings…
Ok, just talking out loud here. But, I have heard that when people are addicts the drugs take precedence over anything else. That I includes their children, their own health or any possible consequences. It also obviously can make people violent and crazed. Who knows what altered state of mind these people were in. I imagine rationality is the least to be expected. Someone is responsible for Haleighs most likely death, and along with that their own demise of life as they knew it.
Letter Misty wrote to her relatives
Accurate transcript (yes Misty dropped out of school in the 6th grade)
I feel so bad about this sh8t you know cause I didn’t say it. I was scare no one now what he said he would do you know that day when he would not go back to the house and he stayed at the story he put me up with a knife and said if I said he would come back and kill me. He told me at the house he would kill me to so I didn’t know what to do. He has a (illegible) raped me you know. I knew Tommy was coming to get the gun but I didn’t know it was gone and that is when Joe got mad. Tom had walked out and that is when Joe took it. You know I don’t know where Tommy went. I don’t think he did sh8t but I know he now. Joe did they was so fu**ed up and I mean I don’t know how Joe even drove home. That is why the van has scratch on (illegible) he was so fu**ed up bad. That is all for now. I just wish I knew what he did.
Timmy and Chelsea please right me back as soon as you get this.
I have had it posted for 2 days.
Good LUCK
please delete my last post it was meant for a different site sorryyyyyy
BB12-CHris…it was ALSO on the Jax4 news clip I linked earlier.
B-12:
Why didn’t Ron follow Joe home? I know I would have been camping on his doorsteps, until I found her.
HollysGmom said,in April 16th, 2010 at 12:07 am Possible but Hardy did say in this afternoon’s presser that things were sent to be analyzed and anthropology lab had evidence to check.
Anthropology= Bones (skeletal remains)
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Anthropology = was there the first day -in case- has already been reported in an article.
No where has it been reported that Anthropology has collected bones to be analyzed. Reports are no bones collected, just other evidence to be analyzed.
SH said they were there on the scene and ruled out no bones and the anthropology helped them on the scenes with things like “toenails”. Probably animal bones too.
The part about DNA comparison.
Karon said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:18 am
B-12:
Why didn’t Ron follow Joe home? I know I would have been camping on his doorsteps, until I found her.
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Because Ron and Misty are guilty and Joe is an innocent patsy. IMO
Ron has a life time history of being violent. Even sticking a dead headless RAT in a mailbox, beating his GF, spanking kids etc. yelling at 911, YET- Ron never once accused ANYONE of HaLeigh Disappearance. NO ONE.
HollysGmom said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:17 am
BB12-CHris…it was ALSO on the Jax4 news clip I linked earlier.
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I am sorry. I thought Art was THEIR SOURCE ?
Am I wrong? xxooo
So you’re thinking these professional anthros don’t know what they’re looking at or LE doesn’t want to say until sure?
I’m thinking the latter. FIrst they said no evidence found, now evidence found but not bones, tomorrow the story will morph…
ART HARRIS = pppffffttttt
I kid you not…. he just makes this sheet up from common sense… kinda like LP….
Gets his broke behind on tv.
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His arse is already being sued in TX for conspiracy per reports and very informative court docs that was posted here about his shill reporting on another case and.
He doesn’t neccessarily make it up, but puts his exclusives and bombshells and you heard it first here on his site dating back to the death of Anna Nicole Smith.
He was fired from CNN.
Trying to read Misty’s letter is like reading a foreign language. I just can’t conceive of why anyone would purposely kill an innocent child. I mean sometimes parents do, and SO’s do. But, why would TC, MC or JO do it? I can only imagine the two scenario’s or three maybe. Misty got angry and just struck out at her, or she was drugged, accidentally or otherwise. Oh, and there was a fight between somebody and she was accidentally killed in the mix. But, to take her to a river and kill her for no reason makes no sense. I think she died and TC and JO just helped dispose of her body.
BB12-Chris…I could swear she said speaking with officials. I’d hope she wouldn’t qoute AH….could be though…
I think Hardy’s specific mention of Misty is KEY….
Maybe I am naive, but when you read that letter Misty writes to her relatives it really does sound like the only thing she would be guilty of would be allowing them to steal from Ron which could be part of the reason why she kept quiet along with the threat of being killed. Maybe she didn’t think Joe would really have killed her and possibly thought Haleigh was hidden somewhere.
Still no JO arrest …..
Random Thoughts said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Can someone refresh my memory as to why RC put a rat in the Croslins mailbox? I read that a neighbor saw him doing it late at night.
What was the purpose of that?
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He was never arrested for that or charged with that so I guess he didn’t do that. I think Tommy did it himself and tried to blame it on Ron.Ron’s white pickup was not running. I was told that by someone who was at Mrs. Sykes house and saw it and the broken part and I also saw a photo of the grass grown up around the tires and it hadn’t been moved for a while.
HollysGmom said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:26 am
BB12-Chris…I could swear she said speaking with officials. I’d hope she wouldn’t qoute AH….could be though…
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KEEP me posted- I CARE
And the way that Joe broke down on tv is telling to me, imo. I think that he could of very well have done something while being high on drugs. I think he killed her to cover up raping her. JMO
Michelle said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
Has anyone heard if there was any truth to the rumor that I read at Marinade Dave’s website where someone posted that during the interview with the guy who first said he solved the case also stated that Haleigh had originally been moved to one place and then her body recently moved to water? I read that but can’t find the post again.
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No I haven’t but would love to read it.Can you find it in your history?
HollysGmom said,in April 16th, 2010 at 12:23 am So you’re thinking these professional anthros don’t know what they’re looking at or LE doesn’t want to say until sure?
I’m thinking the latter. FIrst they said no evidence found, now evidence found but not bones, tomorrow the story will morph
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Never said they don’t know what they’re looking at. It was said that most was ruled out at the scene and NO bones collected. Get it? No bones. Sure it will morph, heck Granny will have another story tomorrow too.
All I can say is Joe bothers me. I know he is under alot of stress, but he may have anger management issues. He and Ronald didn’t mix. That is for sure. One thing I can say about GF, she knows her grandchildren. She is laying it on the line about what Joe is like. A grandmother doesn’t do that lightly.
Vaquera, let me go look…
Gotta agree with you BB12, Ron’s behavior has made no sense since day one. I am surprised that NG and so many others don’t find it questionable in the least. I am a people reader and have rarely been wrong, but…his behavior doesn’t click with me. It’s like NG is so gung hoe sure Misty is the culprit…but ok, so why is Haleighs father and GM so supportive of her. No sense.
Thank you for the refresher, vaquera.
I would like to know what time they came to get this gun, that ended up not being there.
The letter says Misty knew her brother was coming for the gun, what time did he come? Did they leave and come back or take Haleigh right then in front of Misty. I’m wondering how culpabable she is.
Did Tommy lie to RC about knocking on the door at tenish and noone answering?
maryd said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:33 am
Gotta agree with you BB12, Ron’s behavior has made no sense since day one. I am surprised that NG and so many others don’t find it questionable in the least. I am a people reader and have rarely been wrong, but…his behavior doesn’t click with me. It’s like NG is so gung hoe sure Misty is the culprit…but ok, so why is Haleighs father and GM so supportive of her. No sense.
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Nancy Grace etc… wants to KEEP in good with RON and Cindy etc.. for the interviews. RATINGS GOLD having them ON. She can question them and LE gets info for free. NG is faking it she knows Ron n Cindy A. are a sociopath freaks. IMO.
2 cinder blocks found at the search site: COnfirmed
http://www.news4jax.com/news/23167951/detail.html
Still unknown if connected to Haleigh at this time….
If it matches door blcok…it’s Haleigh related enough…
Why would Misty knowing they were coming for a gun not call Ron and tell him? Or why would she open the door for them. Unless she was going to benefit from the sale of this gun drugwise. Misty didn’t work so who provided her with her drugs? Seems she had to do some trade off for them, ie, the group she spent the weekend with…and or Ronald?
Being on a crazed high is not an excuse to kill and it will not fly as a defense.
As far as Misty being threatened and afraid, it’s possible but I have my doubts. Misty could have called 911 immediately after he/they left, rather than waiting for Ron to get home. Misty was out the next morning with JO putting up flyers and at one point took a trip to Tenn., so I am having a problem with the fear factor.
Sorry, BB12 but you brought a chuckle to me with that last one. I agree with the catering to interviewee’s. Reminds me of how Greta suddenly took a change of heart about Joran VS’s guilt when he did and interview for her. Yuk how money talks and BS walks.
maryd said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:44 am
Why would Misty knowing they were coming for a gun not call Ron and tell him? Or why would she open the door for them. Unless she was going to benefit from the sale of this gun drugwise. Misty didn’t work so who provided her with her drugs? Seems she had to do some trade off for them, ie, the group she spent the weekend with…and or Ronald?
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IMO the gun story is a lie its an after word thoughts- probably a fight took place the week before. Drug deal gone bad. Not paying for drugs so Joe wanted collateral etc.. IMO it is a smoke screen.
IF Ron heard that Joe took his daughter or searched his house–Ron would have ran home from work and beat Joe down.
If Joe came to Ron home and did anything bad Misty would have called RON. Ron is violent and everyone knows Ron is violent. Misty would have answered the phone when Ron called all night.
IMO this just makes RON look guilty. IMO
Maybe she was going to let them steal it because of a drug debt one of them owed and maybe Joe/Tommy was mad cuz he/they got hooked.
Terrible to think about.
As many have said before, I would love to know the phone call history between the night Haleigh vanished and the next several weeks for all of them.
As many have said before, I would love to know the phone call history between the night Haleigh vanished and the next several weeks for all of them.
I’m having a hard time believing that LE divers found NO bones…from anything> NonE? In that river, where alligators swim back and forth…..no bones of any kind? Not a rabbit, cat, dog, nothing that washed down from upstream in 14 months, at least? They would have to test small ones to be sure….
Just what was Misty going to say to Ron regarding the missing gun, had that mission been accomplished. Was he going to believe her, why take that chance? Especially since he allegedly squeezed her into a ball some days earlier! Just saying… why risk getting the squeeze treatment.. again?
I have big problems with the fear factor.
I have big problems with the fear factor.
oops sorry for the double post
Well BB12 u sure don’t have to convince me. Something I’ve felt all along. From the 911 phone call, through the quirky interviews, to the lack of genuine emotion to the marriage and post convenient divorce when the pressure was on. And let’s not forget the drug trafficking connection. One more thing though, what was with Ron staying in a tent next to the trailer? Was he not allowed to go back in the house? Or was he too guilty to go back in?
Cent:
I think these people don’t think past their next fix. They are sitting in jail blaming everybody but themselves.
I just bought the website “freemisty.com”..
more info to follow.
I agree Beautiful & Karon
Let’s make a list:
SUpposed fear cancelled out by poster hanging & trip to TN
Where would she tell RC gun went had that really been the case? Oh he’d be mad about the missing gun but not Haleigh?
“SHe was riding her bike…she was doing fine then”
Misty defense campaign: “Bestest girlffriend, Kids love her like mom, It’s what Haleigh WOULD HAVE wanted”
Keep adding….
Oj…You’re always good for a chuckle….THat’s RICH!
“See was riding her bike…she was doing fine then”
THEN THEN THEN
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GUILTY IMO
Maryd:
It was a crimescene for a little while, then he said he couldn’t go back in there. Some were speculating he was afraid that LE had bugged the house, but I don’t know.
maryd said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:59 am
Well BB12 u sure don’t have to convince me. Something I’ve felt all along. From the 911 phone call, through the quirky interviews, to the lack of genuine emotion to the marriage and post convenient divorce when the pressure was on. And let’s not forget the drug trafficking connection. One more thing though, what was with Ron staying in a tent next to the trailer? Was he not allowed to go back in the house? Or was he too guilty to go back in?
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After like a day I think LE said he could go back IN the trailer. Ron said he refuses until HaLeigh comes HOME. Then he moved in with his mother. This is based on my memory.
Karon,
I found that odd that he choose to stay in a tent. Why wouldn’t he just go back in the house? It’s not like he knew Haleigh was deceased and it creeped him out. Or did he?
failed LDT’s
The wedding
Can’t remember anything
Doesn’t know where Haleigh was sleeping
Doesn’t know what Haleigh was wearing
Finds the pink shirt
Talks more about the peed on blanket than missing Haleigh
Maryd:
I think you have it. He would give his own life for his child’s life back.
misty was set up like a bowling pin..
LE bungled this case from the beginning just like the jon benet ramsey case… The bullseye has been on misty while the real suspects walk free. SHAME ON LE! for blowing the case bigtime!
Misty’s slip up on the Today Show and having to admit she was changing her story, but she didn’t know why
Misty refused to answer LE’s questions
As i see it Misty looks overtly guilty…but Ronald looks surreptitiously guilty. For sure innocence doesn’t seem written all over either of them.
KAREN
YOUR A GENIUS!!
LOVE YOUR POSTS!!
LOVE YOU!
wrong!! karon, misty gave over 30 hours of interviews…she got confused on the today show..wouldn’t you? I think most 17 year olds might be nervous on a national tv show.
Misty wants a picture of Jr, and oh yeah, one of Haleigh, too
BB12Chris
I’m thinking like you now about rc but… TN being nice to mc to me doesn’t mean anything because I feel like she has been believable in saying all along that she felt Haleigh was still alive.
For your theory about tn to work she would have to have known what happened and imo she didn’t?
Thank you BB-12
Love you, too. We are both down to the point.
WHY I think Misty is GUILTY:
If Tommy and Joe where over and searching- Misty fails to call Ron?
After Misty see the door wide OPEN, she does what? Misty never talked about fear or being frozen.
Misty never ran outside and searched the outside.
Fails to call 911 until RON makes her
Can’t remember anything
Doesn’t know where Haleigh was sleeping
Doesn’t know what Haleigh was wearing
Finds the pink shirt
Talks more about the peed on blanket than missing Haleigh
The wedding
Lies, lies, lies
failed LDT’s
BUT heck- Ron’s mother supports Misty and Ron must cause he married her….
PS- I forgot to add the above post is from KARON
I was adding to KARON but the clip did not take place. It is late. I am an idiot.
SORRY KARON
Just thinking Boots…but I recall Cindy Anthony not wanting to believe Caylee was deceased despite all of the evidence. I think the main purpose for her belief was so Casey wouldn’t be implicated in her murder. It struck me odd that TN would say she still believes Haleigh is alive after what LE supposedly told her. Does she believe that?…or would it be safer for Ronald that no body be found? Just wondering.
Maryd:
We haven’t started on Ronald yet. His list would look worse than Misty’s
IMO, Ron did not want to go back to living in the MH because he feared it was bugged. I never thought he hurt Haleigh directly, but I do think he was hiding something–something big. I always thought he figured out/found out what happened. But he didn’t go after those involved, because he couldn’t, for some reason. Someone had info on Ron about something he did not want known. Maybe that will also come out eventually.
That’s alright, BB-12.
Maryd:
That’s a good point. She may be so afraid RC is going to be caught up in all of this.
Maryd… TN is the one I have felt so bad for all this time she seems so innocent and heartbroken, I’m gonna be really freaked if it turns out she knew about all this.
Boots,
Grandparents are in a no win situation if they should lose a grandchild at the hands of their own children. Denial may be their only hope. Or suffer a double loss.
Cathartic:
I think MC, RC, TC and Timmy, JO, and Lyndsay and Chelsea were caught up in keeping this secret and hiding their criminal activities. They were paralyzed. Everybody kept wondering wht Lyndsay kept staying. I think she had to. She was too caught up in hiding this from LE and feared prosecution herself for hindering an investigation. IMO.
Karon,
I know it’s late but…if you want to start the Ronald list it’s ok with me. I probably already have it in my head though. Thx
I don’t think Teresa Neves knew anything, I think she befriended Misty in hopes that she’s say the truth of what she knew.
Could Misty of told Ron that Haleigh overdosed on his drugs instead of what really happened?
Karon,
It’s sickening that Lindsy and Chelsea might have known, but never told LE. They are the mothers of young children and I find it appalling that they could even consider not talking if they knew what poor Haleigh had gone through.
But it’s looking more and more like they knew.
Hope:
You could be right about that. For some reason, he was in on the cover-up.
The Gma Hollar is SHeba from NG is a hoax or rumor gone wild.
Unless she has been calling NG, JVM & Mike G since 2007, SHeba is NOT, I repeat NOT, Gma Hollar…
Karon said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 1:44 am
Karon
I think MC, RC, TC and Timmy, JO, and Lyndsay and Chelsea were caught up in keeping this secret and hiding their criminal activities. They were paralyzed. Everybody kept wondering wht Lyndsay kept staying. I think she had to. She was too caught up in hiding this from LE and feared prosecution herself for hindering an investigation. IMO.
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Think your right Karon. Most druggies are used to living lies, but this one has gone beyond their control. Especially if they have been clean for awhile. It seems like one big conspiratory mess. None of them are big on accepting responsibility for their actions. It’s SYOA. Save you own Azz
I wonder…cathartic…After CHelsea’s interview when van was returned with her “With my mother’s feelings and all..I think I might know who it was…” (March 10 2009)
Maybe she did tell LE something or everything she knew at that point. It was still early then and she all but fingered JO.
Hope: That was one of my theories from the beginning, and could very well be what happened. He looked very guilty to me early on, and it could be because he was given fed such a story, and believed it–or couldn’t disprove it.
Maryd
Do you think then that tn has known the whole story all along?
I do remember cindy anthony but she was more defiant and you could see clearly that she was in denial and I don’t think she knew for sure what had happened at that point.
I think tn has been supportive of mc because she truly thought mc was innocent. I’m probably wrong but she just seemed so sincere and I was thinking the only one who wasn’t a liar.
Or were Tim & Chelsea told the “real Deal” and helped to frame JO?
Or was her “mother’s insitincts’ comments about Misty’s lack of mothering insitincts or how she treated kids/left them alone? Temper issues with Misty?
You know, I feel for TN whether she knew or didn’t know about all of this. Parents in this situation are in such a tough spot. TN has grieved so hard over losing Haleigh, then RC going to jail( possibly for years) and, now losing Jr. I just hopes she makes it through all of this. This has been a living hell on earth.
HGM, I don’t think JO was ever cleared. I don’t think anyone ever was really cleared. LE sometimes says they clear someone, then they revisit them later. Or, they say it to give the suspect a false sense of security.
Do you think Chelsea (or anyone) ever officially said they had good reason to believe…whatever…and no one listened??
HGM:
Was that Chelsea’s remark about Misty’s lack of mothering instincts?
Cathartic: Misty might of been afraid if she told Ron the real story that he would harm someone.
I am not ready to say JO was not there. I am not ready to say TC was not there. However, I do not see Misty as an innocent bystander, JO’s fearful victim because if that were true, there is simply no reason why she could not have called 911 right away and possibly saved Haleigh’s life.
At the very least, she could have told LE once JO had gone back to Tenn.
Misty was not asleep and she was not scared silent, imo. I am starting to feel all 3 were involved, maybe a 4th…and Misty just as culpable as the others, if not more so.
Have any of you seen the pics on the cayleedaily site of Misty and cousin Joe hanging up a Haleigh flier? I thought he left the day after it happened. I am just wondering if that pic is real. Has it been posted anywhere else before now?
Opppp…pic (singular) not pics (plural) sorry about that!
Karon;
Chelsea said due to her motherly instincts, she felt like she knew who it was….
I was saying that statement could mean more then just JO….If you’re talking about mother’s feelings/insitincts, you could be comparing your to anothers…that’s all I meant…
Other things her statement could have meant besides just JO, which was so obvious.
Ron is an odd duck and his behaviors were extremely guilty-looking, imo.
I just can’t bring myself to believe he did this to Haleigh–that she trusted her daddy and he betrayed that trust in such a horrid manner. I am not ready yet to go there.
HGM:
Not G.Hollar. You are kidding me! If she isn’t GHoller, did the real GHoller report all of this to LE? She must have. You mean NG got hoodwinked? I thought that picture looked kind of odd.
JustWondering;
I haven’t seen it but it’s been mentioned a lot aorund here…
Also…
If Misty was rumored to have left the kids alone sometimes…HEr SIL know it! I’d like to hear what they REALLY thought about leaving their kids with her…Notice she didn’t seem to babysit for them much AFTER Haleigh went missing.
OK, HGM, I know what you are saying.
I always want to think people would do the right thing when a crime involves a child…meaning moms like L and C should have gone to LE if they knew or suspected ANYTHING. But then I have to remind myself these people are just not what I consider normal.
Karon:
Well, unless Gma Hollar adopted the SHeba from Ill moniker to get through….LOL! Everybody knows…SHeba always get’s through on NG’s show…apparently JVM & Mike G too! Since Dec 26, 2007
cathartic
Not saying Ronald purposely killed Haleigh. But, sometimes a stressed out father fighting with his girlfriend could strike out at a child without intention to do serious harm. A push could accidentally kill a child if they fall wrong. Don’t know if this happened but it is possible. I think Haleigh was already deceased when they put her body in the river. If they did. JMO
At one point wasn’t it reported that M didn’t want to watch R’s children because someone else wanted her to babysit? I could be wrong about this. Does anyone remember this and if so, who wanted her to babysit? Was it TC?
cathartic;
I know what you mean…It was even hard for me to go there with Casey. I just didn’t want to believe a mother would do that…but I guess it’s true. There’s too many deaths by abuse to be untrue. I hate that! I want a world where EVERYONE protects and cares for children…not like it is really.
Hope,
I recall reading that. I think it was Tommys…but I guess it could have been Timmys too. Not sure
HGM:
I see what you mean. I heard a comment that Chelsea was supposed to have made about Misty losing it with Haleigh.
maryd: I have said before I thought R and M were arguing/fighting right up until he left for work, and that possibly Haleigh got hit in the fray. Maybe she appeared to be doing “just fine, then” but could have had a head injury, and after she went to sleep she died. And everyone freaked, M called her brothers for help…and everyone had to cover it up. Still a plausible theory. But I think the truth will come out sooner rather than later.
Hope;
It’s been debated many times and sometimes taken off the table due to non-confirmation of info other than AH.
I think it could have been Timmy & CHelsea since their weeding anniversay was to be 2 days later Feb 11. I suggested maybe they had plans to celebrate on the 9th due to work schedule contrainsts. That would also show why babysitting for them would be so important.
WHat if Misty did babysit for them and something happened there and Haleigh was “dumped” on the way back to Satsuma? SHell Harbour Rd is on the way, either to C CIty or from there to 202 Green lane.
Maybe she was trying to get away from the house since she knew they were coming to get the gun. How else would she of explained to R that the gun was gone with her being there?
cathartic:
I think I read your theory before and it sounded very plausible. Head injuries can be delayed in their effect. I’ve thought about Misty saying she laid a sheet on Haleigh cause she was washing her blanket. When she later says “she was gone.” I thought the effect in her voice could give that a dual meaning.
What we really need to know is how the van fits in……JO driving it to Satsuma? Delivering Misty & co back to Green lane? I’m starting to suspect a family party/gathering where something went wrong….
I never want to believe anyone killed another person, especially, a child. Drugs rule everything when people are addicts, then throw in other personality disorders, and there is a possibility for disaster. I think when some of these people who do things like that sober up, they have some awful regrets. I don’t think MC or TC are sociopaths, but they have lost control of themselves. Casey A., I believe, is a psychopath.
Good point maryd!!
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Still watching twitter for any news of JO arrest….None so far…
I agree Karon
HGM you may be on to something
It would explain why some many Croslins, who should have good info, don’t seem to or aren’t telling the whole truth. Did TiC and Chelsea visit Sr after home from hospital? If not, why not….DId they use the van to transport Sr & Lisa to C City? THey say he couldn’t fit into a car with his brace/cast. A van would be just right. Did someone pick up Misty & kids? Why DID RC Sr refuse RC jr counselling? What was he afraid he’d reveal?
So many questions….STILL!
Still no JO arrest.
Good question posted to Levi by Wheeliegirl72:
Why aren’t JO & ToC “fingering” RC?
My answer: Do we know for sure they’re not? If they only disposed of, Misty could have told them her fault and they don’t know about RC.
Hank, Sr. had that wreck that week-end and Lydnsay was working. I wonder where Celsea and Timmy were, and I wonder where Tommy’s kids were while Lyndsay worked.
Any arrests in Mass?
I noticed that TC didn’t want to talk about counselling for their child, but he seems to be the kind that says, “Don’t worry about it.” unless it is to do with him.
Not sure…I’ll link to the closest News twitter to them and let ya’ll know if there is…
Thank you HGM!
Well, I am playing down for the night. We may not know anything for sure until they complete this search. I heard one comment from a prosecutor that LE has to check everything out to show that they didn’t center in on a few people. There will probably be some arrests as soon as this search is over. I am afraid Timmy is going to be one of them, too.
Good night all.
Earlier today I believe someone posted on here that LC was at school until 10:00 or 10:30. I think it was here and how they know that I have no idea. It might of been posted yesterday, just not sure when it was.
I don’t believe the story about Misty hitting her and then Joe and Tommy dumping Haleigh in the water to help Misty. If that was true both Joe and Tommy would of come clean about that and have full Police support, they would lead Police to the body and the evidence would prove their claims. Especially right now Joe would tell that to get out of trouble. What I find interesting is Tommy accusing Joe but not Misty, then Misty does the same regarding Joe but also implicates Tommy. If Tommy and Misty had a deal to put this on Joe, Misty and Tommy together would stick to their story and not implicate each other in any way. By bringing Tommy in she opens herself to a vindictive reaction by Tommy where he blames her, she also has been attacked by family for saying anything about Tommy, most of all she has personally felt the complete betrayal of her Mother, turning on her siding by Tommy in the abuse charges. Her Mother went public on attack of her and stood by Tommy. For you and I that is nothing but for her it’s profound, especially at her age. Plus she has Lyndsy to deal with, what is Lyndsy going to say and what story is she going to tell all in the name of denial and coping mechanisms? It will be a story but it won’t be about Tommy. I need to know what happened, the changing versions by LE a month ago they stood by their belief Misty left the trailer, will it change again and is this all BS. How long has this pattern of turning on Misty when she speaks about abuse been taking place. Would that pattern impact Misty into silence? What happened there that night. I need to know more. I do know she did not kill this child. What happened at the dock? Why did she not have a lawyer? I find it irresponsible of LE to agree to set it up on those terms. I picked up on the cop in her space and his demeanor and physical behaviour for a reason. The same reason 1 in 12 is going to have when they hear this story. Should Misty say she felt pressured or under threat that one in 12 is going to view that officer the same way I did. I find it baffling Police don’t think ahead enough to see that. I need more before I’m going to believe anything that includes Haleigh being dead, I need evidence.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Nighters ALL sweet dreamz
Thank you for a wonderful evening of sharing of opinions.
Very respectful and informative.
I very much enjoy learning.
Ok…I linked my twitter to a Boston major news outlet…so if/when TiC or JO are arrested, we will know pretty quickly…
Thanks again HGM!
Hope: YW!
BB12-Chris;
Me too….good to be able to discuss without tempers flaring.
(Not even mine…sorry again for snapping at you last night cathartic)
I see it this way….any accident that didn’t involve DV or OD/drugs….could easily be explained away and no charges filed. Accidental drowning, fall/injury, gun incident? (I’ve seen people not get charged for that type of accident), just about any senario but Domestic Violence centered either as victim or accidental vicitm and/or drug over dose. Even a drug OD could be overcome as long as a typical household item/drug (Tylenol, benadryl, child’s perscribed meds, legal family member meds, etc) The only OD they would have to fear is an illegal drug. Especially if it’s a Schedule 1 drug!
So,
1 DV victim by choice or accidental victim
2 OD by illegal substance or non-typical household item/drug.
JO stealing Haleigh is BULL, at least the gun BS or revenge ….How could he even hope to get away with it? Misty clearly would come under fire and save herself…..JO would have to know that….I don’t care HOW messed up he was that night or since.
I believe JO might have helped Misty & ToC to hide Haleigh. Maybe even put her in the water before they were sure she was gone, especially if she was convulsing or gasping. It would freak them out, they’d want to hurry. However, I don’t believe they would have moved her until after they were sure she was gone. Then they felt obligated…Misty insisted she’d go down for it (looks pretty true so far) and this would be the only way.
I don’t think JO &ToC molested or raped her…I hope I’m right about that at least.
ToC may have even stayed with Misty, helping her, while TiC & JO did the hiding….then Misty was told where….SHe would question them ASAP…surely! To get their stories straight if nothing else.
Maybe JO hid Haleigh in the only area he really knew there….His sister owns the Magnolia property. He’s been there before. Knows stuff about the river. Since he would be leaving right away with a previously known reason, LE wouldn’t question him. They might not have targeted him without the Croslin’s negative statements about him that got repeated ad nauseaum….even by us. Some totally foundless accusations, and serious ones. I think ToC & Misty convinced him he ws the perfect candidate to do it. They wouldn’t really know exactly where she was if he did it and told him he was so slick & smart, he’d be able to pull it off.
My up late ramblings…..
Then once they had him with her remains…they had him. Forensicly, knowledge of location specific to remains, maybe even JO’s DNA at MH due to visiting. Misty did say he wouldn’t even “Go back down there” to get his STUFF. MH and/or ToC’s. So was he really staying with TiC? ToC? Or MC? SO at least he was there at 1 point because he refused to return.
So while JO is hiding Haleigh Misty & ToC come up with a plan to never go down. They would throw JO under the bus for her murder. He knows where she’s at, they really don’t now. He’s probably leaving hair & prints, etc They would try to tie the impliments used back to JO. Misty would claim he threatened her into silence, ToC too. Misty would claim fear due to rape & weapon. (JO DNA on her that night?)
JO returns and they act like everything is fine. Then they have to tell TiC, Lindsy, Chelsea, due to van issue, maybe even knowledge of JO going to Satsuma. Knowledge of ToC being away from home. Eventually they had to bring Sr and LC into it.
Question is which senario and does anyone other than MC, JO, & ToC play a part?
They had to hide her because what ever did happen, it would be obvious as to Cause of Death. THis way cause could be anything and all LE has is the liar’s word on it. If they can find impliments or connections, they can prove one of the theories.
No new tweets….
Wondering what 6am report will be, if anything.
I can’t get NG and crew out of my head from tonight. My mind just keeps going back to what GH was saying.
Have a good night well I guess day is more like it. I enjoyed talking will all of you!
First tweet of the day….
THESKY973DOTCOM Haleigh Update: Homicide
http://easyuri.com/9a5af
I suppose another theory could be that TC and JO maybe killed Haleigh in retaliation for RC beating Misty up a few days earlier ? IDK
Where is LFlorida?
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cathartic said,in April 16th, 2010 at 2:08 am OK, HGM, I know what you are saying.
I always want to think people would do the right thing when a crime involves a child…meaning moms like L and C should have gone to LE if they knew or suspected ANYTHING. But then I have to remind myself these people are just not what I consider normal.
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I think the same thing, but not all people are honest or think clearly. Sad but true.
HollysGmom said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 6:55 am
I found you on twitter and you blog
toot tooot
TimeWillTell said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:31 pm Where are all the Crystal did it and Misty is innocent idiots?
Tell Timothy Holmseth he is the biggest idiot of them all. He is ruined. Not that he ever was anything, but he is ruined.
BB12-You are spot on my friend.
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Probably in the same place as all the RC did it idiots.
BB12-Chris said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:17 pm MY MONEY IS Misty and RON are guilty of murder.
I still say the only reason Misty lies for 14 months is to save herself and RON. She loves RON. She got a tattoo for RON. Misty told her mother how her and Ron where getting back together and that LE screwed it up and how she still loves RON. One does not keep quiet for 14 months because your afraid of your crazy cousin Joe…….Misty tried to cough out all these lies to pass a polygraph and she always failed. I say we have no clue what the real story is or what the real time line is… I said from day one Ron is culpable. You wake up to a door propped open you call someone… you are frozen in fear. Misty never talked about feelings or fear. Misty waited until Ron came home to call 911. Ron said during the 911: “Why did ya let my kid get stolen bitach……” My gut says Misty, Ron, Tommy are responsible. Joe I think is an easy pastys’… maybe Joe did search the house and left and maybe Tommy came back to help Misty cover it up. My money has always been on MISTY killed HaLeigh. To convenient to blame Joe 14 months later…. makes no sense that JOE does not blame them. PS RON’s mom has always stood up for Misty and said nice words… this has always made me think Ron is involved and they need to keep Misty HAPPY. Ron and his mother both back and support Misty no matter how many times she changes her story or fails a polygraph.
RON REEKS OF GUILT in my opinion.
MY MONEY IS Misty and RON are guilty of murder.
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You are going to be alot poorer. Joe Overstreet would have given up RC in a hot minute at the “news conference” if RC had any involvement. He has nothing to lose and nothing to fear. RC is locked up, what could he do, write JO a really mean letter for spilling the beans? Yeah. Right. Like I said before, Misty may have been in love at one time, but I doubt Joe or Tommy were.
I see alot of young women get tatoos they later regret. Hell, look at Pam Anderson, she got Tommy tatooed on her ring finger and she was a grown ass woman. That doesn’t mean a hill of beans when it comes down to your ass spending LIFE IN PRISON!
The theory doesn’t hold water.
BB12-Chris said,in April 16th, 2010 at 12:08 am Karon said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:06 am
Ron’s behavior has been off. LE may still be trying to fiGure his part in all of this out.
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Ron and Misty are responsible for HaLeigh DEATH-Murder. IMO
Most likely it was Ron’s drugs that killed HaLeigh on Misty’s watch. OR Misty was so high on the drugs Ron supplied. OR Ron killed HaLeigh and Misty stood by…HaLeigh was dead prior to Ron going to work IMO… does not matter. My gut says Ron and Misty are responsible for HaLeigh Death.
Ron behavior from the 911 call – I will murder who did this…to not even searching for his daughter, to never confronting anyone… to the tattoo of HaLeigh, to the marriage, all when HaLeigh was suppose to be MISSING not dead and memorialized. Ron’s mother being 100% supportive and kind to Misty even though Misty has lied, and lied, and lied and failed polygraph after polygraph and is clearly on DRUGS. Yet- she is supportive and allows Misty to care for JR. Ron and his mother still allow Misty to care for JR?? wtf ??
Ron spend his days dealing drugs and his nights getting high not looking or searching for HaLeigh. Dating a stripper while playing Misty. Ron kept Misty real high this entire time. Even after Misty started saying she thought it was JOE (day 9)- RON did nothing. No confronting- Nothing. Kept his mouth shut.
This is why RON REEKS OF GUILT.
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You obviously have some issues. Levi, is that you?
I could not hold back to the tears when I watched the last clip of NG. If it’s all true then Haleigh was probably awake when she was brought to that pier. She did not understand and was scared that someone would want to kill her. I wish she was hidden away, or I wish she died while unconscious due to drugs, but it does not seem to be adding up that way. May God bless the family who actually cared for Haleigh, and bring them peace. May justice be brought for her tragic and senseless murder. RIP sweet girl. No one can hurt you anymore.
I do not want Ronald Cummings to be involved in this even by knowledge,but I am still suspicious. It was reported that Ronald said that he and Joe would go down and fish off the dock there at Shell Harbor and commented that Joe liked to take small animals and throw them in and watch the gators feed on them. When it became apparent that the Croslins were pointing at cousin Joe then why didn’t Ronald insist on that area being checked since he knew Joe liked going there and that Joe alledgedly had such a morbid mentality. I would hate to think that while Ronald telling this story standing on that very dock that his beloved daughter was at the bottom of it. Haleigh loved her daddy and I just pray he had no knowledge of her demise. I base this on his unnatural behavior throughout this case. I know people grieve differently, but Ronalds behavior does not even come close to a normal grieveing parent.
I’m sorry, I did not realize there was a “normal” behavior for a grieving parent. Do they pass out a handbook on how you are supposed to act when your child goes missing/dies?
Looking;
I agree….Wow…
I think twitter just crashed!…Arrgghhh!!!
Mornin’ Peeps…so what is the latest? (I’m almost afraid to ask). I figure Misty and Tommy kept quiet because they were involved and knew they would face charges. Once behind bars and facing the prison time for drug charges LE had leverage to get them to talk….deal with them on reducing the time. Before LE put them behind bars they had NO leverage with these crackheads. Arresting these a$$h*les was the smartest thing LE ever did. I hope the rumors that Haleigh was alive when she went into the river are false as I cannot bear to think of what she went through. I am emotionally spent after this weeks’ news and don’t know how much more I can take….but NOTHING I go through can compare with what our little angel went through so I will just suck it up and deal with whatever comes our way….because I WILL be here for Haleigh….and I WILL follow this case to its close and see that this precious child gets justice and respect.
HollysGmom said,in April 16th, 2010 at 12:51
SNIP:
nothing that washed down from upstream in 14 months, at least? They would have to test small ones to be sure….
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Hey Holly, Glad to catch up with you today. I ususally check out your post in the morning when I come on.
Holly do you remember on Brians dreams where he scratched that Haleigh was not dead when she was thrown into the water? I do not remember the map of area he scratched at the time. He mentioned 175,000. Did not recieve it something to that affect.
Karen…I don’t believe there is a “handbook” but even profilers and LE look at how someone responds to something like this. It is a common tool used by LE in detecting deceit. Is Ronald just normally a total screwball? Perhaps. But his behaviors have been suspect. Does this mean he was involved? Not necessarily. Does it mean he had knowledge of what took place or was involved in the cover-up? Not necessarily. Does it mean we’re allowed to discuss his strange behavior that MANY of us have picked up on? YES. It could just be his guilt of knowing he brought these FREAKS into his child’s life and down deep he knew they were responsible. Or, he could very well be involved. Who knows. But there is nothing wrong with discussing it.
Thanks for the info m2c.
JB, I feel you. I am about livid right now. Haleigh needs the maximum Justice!!
Hey guys, can we move to one of the older articles with fewer posts? This one is taking FOREVER to refresh!
It could take up to six months for investigators to receive test results on the items pulled from the river.
Hardy said if warranted, they would search again.
“Just because we are leaving here doesn’t mean this lead isn’t going to be followed up any further,” Hardy said.
JB said,in April 16th, 2010 at 8:28 am Karen…I don’t believe there is a “handbook” but even profilers and LE look at how someone responds to something like this. It is a common tool used by LE in detecting deceit. Is Ronald just normally a total screwball? Perhaps. But his behaviors have been suspect. Does this mean he was involved? Not necessarily. Does it mean he had knowledge of what took place or was involved in the cover-up? Not necessarily. Does it mean we’re allowed to discuss his strange behavior that MANY of us have picked up on? YES. It could just be his guilt of knowing he brought these FREAKS into his child’s life and down deep he knew they were responsible. Or, he could very well be involved. Who knows. But there is nothing wrong with discussing it.
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I am well aware of how LE works. LE has cleared RC, they have said all along they are satisfied he was at work.
You can pick up all you like, until you are in a certain situation, you don’t know what you would do. There are no set guildelines on how a grieveing parent should act. I saw CS cry and not a single tear fall, she kept dabbing at tears that just weren’t coming. Did I find it odd? yes. Do I think she was involved in killing Haleigh? no.
So now I am wondering if Misty didn’t previously know for certain that Tommy and Joe killed Haleigh(if this is true) why didn’t she tell as soon as she found out? Why wait so long, I know she is not going to sit in jail (besides the drug charges) because she loves her family so much that she’d throw away her own life to cover for them. She doesn’t cross me as that compassionate. Tells me there is more to the story- what is this about hitting Haleigh with a piece of wood, did I hear that correctly? So, Misty hit Haleigh beyond a slap and the other two actually threw her in the water to hide the evidence since there would be no explaining that one away. So technically, Misty didn’t murder her, but saw them take care of it. JMO
Both of Haleigh’s parents had/have drug problems. That alone will cause some odd behavior. Couple that w/ the emotional stress of a missing child, you are going to have some odd behavior. Doesn’t mean they killed their child.
Both of Haleigh’s parents had/have drug problems. That alone will cause some odd behavior. Couple that w/ the emotional stress of a missing child, you are going to have some strange behavior. Doesn’t mean they killed their child.
Sure JB. Where to?
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Good morning everyone,
Last night I needed to be alone. So I told the hubs that I would be sleeping in the guest bedroom. It has/had a small tv sitting on the dresser. Thanks to NG and her mouth, combined with my anger and grief, the small tv and the bedroom window must now be replaced. I generally hold things like this in, but every word that came out of that vile womans mouth filled me with a rage I hadn’t seen since my drinking days. Today I regret giving her that much power over my emotions…but I did, and now it’s over and I have to buy a window before I get the rest of my damage deposit back. Am I still angry? hell yes. Do I regret my anger? hell yes. Do I cast blame? hell yes. But until I sort it out in my mind, I reserve the right to keep that info inside. I can only promise that I will attend an AA meeting tonight and begin healing and dealing with it all and for sure (according to my hubs) NO MORE NG!
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methinks, we all get to a point sometimes that we just have to release it. It is only natural. It seems for every tear you cry the more anger you feel in this kind of situation. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
katfish said,in April 15th, 2010 at 8:01 pm Who is Niecy?
She said Misty..that is the way she talks!
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This alleged fight over a gun is just one of those things that sticks out for me. First off is the gun that Joe had “allegedly” wanted to steal the same gun that was found in the ditch?
If it is then who put that gun in the ditch?
It was rumored that Misty had found that gun at Ron’s direction. “RUMORED” at this point as far as I can tell.
If this is true then why would Ron or Misty hide the gun there? Was it planted there?
But then possibly when it appeared to be a lame excuse for a set up then whomever decided to retrieve that gun and change up the story to look as if the whole incident were that Joe was “mad” that he didn’t find the gun at the MH that night so he then stole Haleigh instead?
I note also that Ron said something to the effect that drug boys don’t steal Children right?
Was Ron playing the kiss card? (Keep it simple stupid.) But then when none of the other possible options for Misty and Tommy panned out they then decided to play everything back on the story that Cousin Joe was the perp?
Yeah Misty knows that she is in trouble but Misty said it herself during her taped visits that they (meaning LE) couldn’t keep her locked up forever.
If she used the story that Cousin Joe and Tommy did it then she is free and clear on (I hate saying this) murder charges. She would get lesser time served after all.
Who put the gun in the ditch? Certainly not Joe cause the story is that Joe didn’t find the gun.
Who found the gun and at who’s direction was that gun found?
It has been a devistating streeful week.An im Sure Simon,an Jan are feeling it also.
Simon,Jan ,Cobra,An TJ worked so hard so long,an others to .Jan So loves children.Im sure that alone effected them also.They may have to take a few,an rest.Jan we already know gets sick fom Children cases such as this with stress .They all worked so very long an hard on this case.
We cant wait to hear from you Simon,an Jan.I hope all is ok with the both of you.
all this talking about Tommy being bond out.
Sorry if this been point out.
Tommy bond is for St.John not Putman
893.135.1c1 CASE0001 (PUTNAM COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE) DRUGS-TRAFFIC F F $0.00
901.04 CASE0002 (ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE) OUT-OF-COUNTY WARRANT N N $5004.00
901.04 CASE0002 (ST. JOHNS COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE) OUT-OF-COUNTY WARRANT N N $2504.00
He has no bond for the drug taffic
sorry again if that part of the bond been ponited out already.
IMO,I took note of Simons comment “Make of this what you will.” and will not again fall hook line and sinker for the same story that has been circulated from day one.
Simon and Jan are waiting for the truth to finally be revealed, before, making known anything that may hinder the investigation that they may unknowingly reveal.
Simon and Jan’s opinions and articles are where the truth is sought. I would expect nothing less under the circumstances that these two families are having to deal with and LE’s task at hand.
I am sure that We will have the news breaking information from Simon and Jan before anyone else!!!!!!!!!!
Jan, I know you are a strong cookie and this nightmare will be soon over. Justice will be served, for HaLeigh.((hugs)))
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1000th!!
PCSO spokesman says today “Misty may not be THE KEY but she has key answers”..also Misty was brought to the search site to let her see how big the investigation was, in other words to INTIMIDATE her!
She woke up and haleigh was gone..PERIOD!!
There is no handbook on grieving of a child that dies. I know this from my own personal experience of a death of a child. No hand book what so ever. And it is something that doesnt go away either it stays with you the rest of you life you learn to adjust and move forward in life and it something that just doesnt happen over night either.
As for a child that is missing I doubt there is one but how would you know if the child is dead. Ron has put his daughter in the past tense like knowing she isnt coming home, he moved out of his house, he fights with everyone under the same bus, his behavior is very odd, he marries the girl, he puts a tatoo of his daughter as been past tense of her not coming back. Now why would a parent do that unless they know she isnt coming back.
I believe he knows all about what happen. He looks guilty as sin.
DustyRose–Your 3:01am post was spot on.
Despite being a semi-functional illiterate, unless offered immunity in return for testimony, Misty Croslin may throw a red herring, but she isn’t going to lead the police to Haleigh’s body.
No body, no crime, and dummies like Joe and Tommy know this. Absent discovery of forensic evidence establishing beyond reasonable doubt that Haleigh is dead and that one of the Croslin crew was involved, if a body is never found a murder charge is never filed.
Ronald cummings is the one person I am convinced knew nothing about what happened. I heard he “set up” Misty and did the drugs so she would be arrested…hoping he would talk. His mom said she was proud of him, he said he did what he had to do….hoping she would talk now…but not sure if she would. Looking at the pictures of him and Haleigh…his eyes were so lit up….I will never believe he had any part in it….I believe it’s good he is locked up….or three of the “Croslin crew” would be severly injured…if not dead. My heart and prayers go out to him, and his mom. I honestly believe those two would have given their lives to save her.
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