sad to me poor lil baby girl, I hope who ever did this gets the death bed.I think they all had a part in this…maybe not Ron but he did leave his baby with a dope head.GREAT job in your reports BNN ROCKS well ronny boy is a dope head to. UNREAL

I think this latest development is a stunt by Law Enforcement (LE) to get Tommy and or Joe to think Misty is turning on them, making a deal, and I think LE is telling Tommy and Misty, we believe you that it is ALL JOE.

LE needs independent corroborating evidence apart from depositions from Misty, Tommy and or Joe.

I am filled with gratitude that LE is doing something, anything…..I appreciate all the bloggers and posters for their help, opinions, and insights.

I can’t picture her going there and saying something like they tied her to a brick and dumped her in that direction bcz they would’ve found a body by now. I can picture , however , saying about a small item being thrown in and her pointing out approximately how far it was thrown out and in what direction. I still beleive this is a search based on her current charges to gather pertinent evidence related to “pill dealing”. Not saying a gun or even tommy but a scanario similar with the bigger wholesale dealers inviolved. (like the people they got their stuff from ). JMO.

Mel22- If it were just about the drugs why would the entire family including Haleighs bio mom be gatheredtogether and come out of the meeting in tears? It doesn’t make sense,imo.

HA! Like I’ve said ALL ALONG!

I think Misty being there is for one reason-public persecution. She could have corroborated anything said in the comforts of her jail cell, not on the scene in from of tv cameras/photographers. I cannot believe her lawyer would agree to parade her in front of the media like this. Something stinks here..I thought the original tip came from Tommy, yet he has not showed up at the scene.

mystery said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

Mel22- If it were just about the drugs why would the entire family including Haleighs bio mom be gatheredtogether and come out of the meeting in tears? It doesn’t make sense,imo.
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Lt. Johnny Greenwood, a spokesperson for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office stated (paraphrasing) that the family of HaLeigh Cumming’s was notified that a search was going to commence and what the TIP was so that they would not be alarmed by the news media attention.

Misty is a self-centered, whiny little brat! She’s got this idea that she’s getting out of there and she and Ronald Cummings will be together again.

@mystery. Haleigh going missing IMO has everything to do with the “prescription drug ring” they had going on. She may have been taken bcz of the Money or “owed items” (like guns involved with dealers )for collateral. Maybe the “new leads” as they are calling them on other forums lead the police to to decide on this being a “homicide” rather than a missing persons” case. Maybe with the new leads they decided to inform the family of the change and is what’s causing the tears. Who knows it is definitely a mystery, mystery !

It is a canard that Tommy was at the River Monday. It is a canard that Joe took a polygraph.

It is definitely a mystery Mel22,lol!

mlee said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

Apparently, nothing at all has been found..
Is this by some chance September all over again?
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I think u might be right Mlee. Maybe just lies,lies,lies and more lies.

All I can say is …..”Really? Really?”

Shawn Sirgo, Overstreet’s attorney, said Overstreet was treated very well by law enforcement and he has not been given any indication at this point there will be charges. He declined to comment on a possible dispute with Cummings over the gun, saying law enforcement officers were best suited to discuss that.

Sirgo said the officers seem to be coming up to a break in the case, pointing to the fact that they flew up on a state plane and waited until nearly midnight for Sirgo and Overstreet to meet with them.

“Based on my experience with those officers, there’s going to be an arrest,” Sirgo said. “But I don’t know who.”

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-04-14/story/putnam-sheriff-status-haleigh-cummings-case-unchanged

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“I’m sorry. I can’t imagine what they’re going through. I didn’t do it,” Overstreet said. “If I knew who did, I would straight call the cops and tell who did it.”

Overstreet struggled Wednesday to maintain his composure as he talked about this case.

Haleigh disappeared from her home 14 months ago. Her father’s ex-wife said she put the 5-year-old to bed one night in February 2009, and that was the last anyone saw of the girl.

Overstreet and his attorney said family members are the ones who keep putting Overstreet back on the hot seat.

“At his age, to be accused of such a horrendous act and to be given no support, it’s disgusting,” said Overstreet’s attorney, Shawn Sirgo.

Sirgo and Overstreet said they are confident the facts will prove the man’s innocence. They both drove to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation on Tuesday night to meet with investigators, who flew in from Florida. They stayed with them for about 40 minutes, Sirgo said.

“It was obviously a short interview, which means that there was no substantial change,” said Sirgo. “I have a good idea of what they’re going to do next.”

Sirgo said the next move does not involve any action against his client, who he said has already suffered more than he should

“I lost a lot of family,” said Overstreet.

Haleigh’s father and his ex-wife are both in jail in connection with a prescription drug ring.

http://www.wsmv.com/news/23152983/detail.html

Joe’s attorney made other statements today regarding the “media”. I’m assuming he means Harris. I wonder if they’ll sue him for accusing Joe on TV all the time of Haleigh’s disapperance. Many others have been sued in the past or accusing people on air.

@rg, well if this were a true happening.. why wouldn’t their stories match?? wouldn’t be hard to both say.. Hey she fell in and drown..

But, one says joe held a knife at misty throat, the other says joe held a gun on me and threatened me and my family.. okay.. well was this before or after he grabbed Haleigh and ran out and harmed her?? Or was it when he and tommy took Haleigh and went out together to harm her? Its simple.. truth is easy to tell.

good possibility, rg. but with “homiciude” charges looming rather than accidental death , you’d think they’d talk by now. Plus would they really take her accidentall drowning and brick her to keep her under bcz a body floats and they would’ve found a “bricked” body by now. Maybe they got the idea of “bricking” the door from needing to go back and get a brick. or do you suppose they buried her elsewhere and are just having her point out where the accidental drowning happened to confirm both stories from Tommy and her. BTW, BB-12 .. whats a canard? LOL

If they bricked a bnody, any gator would’ve gotten to her and only the brick would be evidence with maybe a bit of the twine. I think its more likely they’re looking for a smaller item like a gun involved in the prescription drug ring that has part to do with dealers Ron owed money to.JMO.. Ok i’m out . bye for the night. I’m doing too much speculating now.

So was Tommy there or no? One says yes , one says no. Ok now i’m out!

WHAAAAT!!! thats too simple of an answer for all this . CRAZY !

Earlier today, Joe was interviewed by a Nashville TV station. He’s is living in the Nashville suburb of Antioch TN.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/23152983/detail.html

Mel22 said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:36 pm

If they bricked a body, any gator would’ve gotten to her and only the brick would be evidence with maybe a bit of the twine.
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Gators can NOT open their mouths under water. Water would RUSH in and joke them to death.

ALSO- if you weight a body down with a rope say on the legs or arms, when the flesh starts to deteriorate the rope slips off. A 50 pound child remains would consist of just bones all separated if left in the river not in a bag-container.

Pathetic this area was not searched a year ago IMO.

.. just hey everyone. she was kilt.. then they took her to dump bcz he told them to go along with .. so we did bcz we’s not so smart… There’s more to this than what they’re telling…

BB-12 ok thanks i just looked it up on wikipedia. Ok now i’m out!

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/a/u/0/xldXFKeW7no

Grandmother was the tipster go watch.

reader said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

LP says a lot of things. Remember all his truths during the Anthony case??? None of his truths ever panned out, EVER.

Between him, NG and Art—-what a mess.
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AMEN to that!!

Gators can NOT open their mouths under water. Water would RUSH in and joke them to death.
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They can and do. They take the prey or part of it they can get and take it above water or to shore.

Wonder if its an error on the jail site or has Mistys bond been lowered ?

Zelda said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

Wonder if its an error on the jail site or has Mistys bond been lowered ?
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WHAT?

well , looks like they’ll be searching for a brick with rope attached then bcz there’s no way a body would remain in those waters all this time whether by predator or decay floating it away. The question now is will any brick they find match the ones used in the brickpile or the one on the door. Or was it just a random brick from elsewhere. Either way they are gonna be siitin for life bcz of the coverup.

EXACTLY, Why would law enforcement make a copy of the confession and hand it off to padilla for. This is such a FARCE ! No way they’d hand out copies of this evidence to outsiders to talk about on a show for some quick cash. Give me a break !

He confessed cuz she was gonna divorce him??? LMAO.

Like she wouldn’t divorce him anyway cuz he’s still going down for the drugs. Oh LP!

It’s like the Anthony case all over again with LP.
Why does NG’s producers let her get away with that crap?

Oh that part I can believe, Lindsy has worked hard to make her life better and Tommy has just about ruined that with all of this. You can bet she wants this over with one way or the other so she can move on. She even said one of the boys is having problems. jmo

And another thing, how do we really know they haven’t found anything? They are choosing their words carefully. They said yesterday that had not found Haleigh Cummings. They didn’t say they hadn’t found anything. today they said they hadn’t found any evidence. Doesn’t mean they didn’t find evidence yesterday.

Also a day after Haleigh was gone, Misty was on TV saying ” I woke up and she was gone” Maybe there is some truth to that. maybe by saying “gone” she means “dead” . Maybe she gave her something to help her sleep and it killed her and she saw that the child was “gone” and wanted to get rid of her so that she wouldn’t be in trouble. Just a thought.

I think Linsy wanted to believe Tommy. I don’t think he physically hurt Haleigh, but surely his own wife couldn’t see it either. But she obviously is a lot smarter than her husband and his family. She has put two and two together and it’s not adding up. And of course detectives are talking to her and telling her what they know. They knew she could likely crack him.

Tommy now has a bond .

Enlarge Photo
CROSLIN, HANK THOMAS (W / MALE)
Status: In Jail Inmate Number: SJSO10MNI002272
Booking No: SJSO10JBN000333
Booking Date: 01/20/2010 22:36:33
Age On Booking Date: 23
Bond Amount: $7508.00

I don’t believe misty wrote letters saying tommy and joe were there that night. All her outgoing letters are photocopied and screened for info. I believe LE has followed bad information…the fbi guy seems to be wrong so far.

THis is from pcso site

http://pcso.us/2010-4-14-a

Who is David Knox in Texas that someone mentioned here?

So have any of you all had a DNA sample of your child taken so that if something horrible happens, the child can be identified?

In Art Harris’ latest post he writes about Haleigh, “At birth, a DNA sample was taken as a routine precaution, sources tell me, just for such a horrific event— to allow confirmation, or closure, of a parents’ worst nightmare, a missing or murdered child.”

NOBODY I know has ever even talked about this “routine precaution,” much less done it. And Crystal and Ron had the foresight to do this? Unbelievable crap.

And NG is calling for capital punishment of Misty Croslin?

Not the actual killer, Nancy? Wait, we don’t even have a body, or one shred of evidence, or anyone charged with anything regarding the missing child, Haleigh Cummings.

And you, Nancy Grace, want to hang Misty Croslin for not saying what, exactly?

Remember Junior said a man in black took his sissy? Show him a picture of JOE?

BB-12, please clarify. “in 2004 parents were given dna sample kits at county fair…” Are you saying that Ronald and Crystal got a kit at a county fair?

I mean, I could believe that there might be some of Haleigh’s dna in relation to her Turner’s syndrome, but I have never come across any parents who even talk about dna samples for future identification. And I talk to a lot of parents. We all know about the kits with the little booklet in which you put a photo and fingerprints and height and weight and eye and hair color, but dna samples in storage?

Nothing in this case surprises me anymore. I just hope they find Haleigh and find who is responsible.

I still don’t think it was Tommy, Misty or Joe that harmed Haleigh. I do think Ron knew what happened, but I don’t think he hurt her.

I think Misty was protecting someone, and it was not Tommy or Joe because she ratted them out from the get go.. All the weird behavior by Ron, TN and GGM’s do not add up with the story ending with Tommy and Joe being the only culprits..

No, I think they helped Misty cover up for someone close to Ron for Ron.

i have such a terrible feeling now. for some reason the image above really turned my stomach. maybe it’s just the odd bird’s-eye angle. i’m going to cry and be sick all at once, i think.

kitty kat:

I never saw Misty point, either. I thought maybe I had just missed it.

NG lies about the pointing, didn’t happen.
LE fell for somebodys RED HERRING! This search will lead to NAUGHT!

13 News claims arrest imminent —

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/14/search_for_haleigh_intensifies_misty_on_the_scene.html

gonna be sick

Kate said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

BB-12, please clarify. “in 2004 parents were given dna sample kits at county fair…” Are you saying that Ronald and Crystal got a kit at a county fair?
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I was given the kit. ME. Carver County Fair, Minnesota. I still have it in my freezer.

“reader”…. I wanted to thank you for the articles and information you have shared/posted on this thread, I meant to express my gratitude earlier, but got side tracked in all the different articles, stories, tales, opinions,etc,etc. Sincerely thank you so very much!!!

I don’t live in Florida and am not familiar with the laws, I ask or posted on the previous thread “IF it truly was MC on the dock, with LE interrogating her……. where was her attorney?? In my state unless she was cooperating 100% and willingly went with LE to assist in this endeavour, she could decline to go unless her attorney was also present and obviously the attorney could object..” Does anyone know if Florida’s laws are similar? Because I was beyond shocked she was there without legal representation. (just when I thought this case couldn’t get any more shocking)

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

So we know for sure that Robert Fields, Misty’s attorney, isn’t in the picture? Probably not, but just checking.

It’s so hard to keep in mind that PCSO and Steve Brown haven’t said ANYTHING about Tommy/Joe/Misty, etc. regarding this current search. We don’t know why Misty was taken to the site.

It doesn’t make sense with the letter that Padilla has, which I assume is the same or similar to the one Levi Page read on NG yesterday… according to that letter, she wasn’t there, just Tommy. And Tommy doesn’t show having left the jail roster…

back at the Mondex.

i have no idea what Fields looks like. is there a picture or video somewhere, maybe?

Art Harris should open up a junk food store with an adjacent Bald Barber Shop. Actually I wanted to write something professional to him on his site about how I feel. Something more like constructive critisism but everytime somebody goes against his views/lies he jumps down their throats and humuliates them on the blog. And then he let’s complete weirdo’s post things (like weird poems) that have nothing to do with the case on his blog. this is my last post about how horrible I think Art Harris is. And this is after a year of observing this. I am just shocked that nobody else calls him out on this and the reason I am so outraged is because he cheapens the severity of this case. he is like the National Enquirer of such a serious case and issue. So horrible. if one person can tell me one thing that Art Harris has done to help this case…i.e. responisble jounalism, real leads given to LE, national attention…I will gladly stand corrected and apologize.

Kittykat–I don`t think you will find any support for Art Harris. They only think he has done IMO is keep Haleigh`s case out there. But at whose expense? I think also he has cheapened the severity of this case, all for making a name for himself, and ratings for a show that he does not host. I think before this case is said and done there will be some lawsuits filed for slander against Nancy and him. JMO

OJ–I think Misty does need a spokesperson. Fields came out and said to look somewhere else besides Misty–yet he lets LE parade her in front of cameras/photographers and quite possibly a potential jury pool. I can guarantee this will not garner any sympathy for her, only make her seem guilty to some. What is his excuse for allowing this?

kitty kat and robin, I’m wondering if Nancy Grace and Art Harris have really done HaLeigh Cummings any favor by promoting their version of her story. They have done very little to dispense actual information. Only time and truth will tell if they’ve done her any favors but I am doubtful.

My intention with the following comment isn’t to defend Fields. I personally have no stance on him one way or the other. To the best of my knowledge he is handling her case pro bono….I don’t see anyone else jumping up to defend Misty. My definite opinion is that Misty hasn’t exactly followed her attornies advice in the past. I feel the need to question if she was on that dock with his blessing?

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/…the_scene.html

Posted a link here, if it is not showing up you might want to check back in a bit to see if it shows.

Says arrest is imminent and Misty will testify against the person in exchange for reduced drug charges.

Well, I really have no opinion on anything right now, just taking all this in; Lindsey replacing her married name on myspace, yellow rope, Tommy’s anger in those last tapes we all listened to, watching Joe with his lawyer today, I just want to scream this to you all: I want to know what happened to that girl and the suspense is killing me.

I think the word whodunit is dated, but this is one whopper of a whodunit.

It is nice to wait with you all, as that is what we are all doing now.
God Bless.

Maybe Misty’s attorney jumped ship like Tommy’s attorney did. It was odd that he let her go out to the dock without him. I think somethings may be up with Misty. She may have made a deal already, so Fields isn’t worried.

Kate…follow me on twitter….I have posted multiple reports where STeve Brown talked about his involvement with htis search..

Also Misty pointing at River bank could just mean her pointing to where she was told Haleigh was put or speculation as to where she might be….not necessarily guilt.

Even deputies quoted as saying CREDIBLE TIP.

I know it’s not the news we all were hoping for but it is what it is.

Now Tommy is getting bonded out so you can BET he sung like a canary and he isn’t implicated…

Now reports from reliable news sources (First Coast, Jax4, Etc) say it’s a war of the finger pointing between the cousins.

Steve Brown said in his interview in the 10 months of investigation he didn’t find any evidence to suggest Ron was involved.

CS either….

Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt…apparently it flows right through Putnam County as well.

HollysGmom, yes, I understand, whatever Steve Brown learned and said led to this search. We just don’t know if it involves Tommy and Joe, do we?

Kate:

I know Misty has a mind of her own. Remember that audio where her father lectured her about talking to LE without a lawyer. I think Misty has been under so much pressure, she just may not care, anymore. I know I would have been beat down by this point.

I think Fields allowed it because it was supposed to clear her of any wrong doing other then keeping quiet about the abductor. Why wouldn’t he allow it if it was going to ultimalely clear her of Haleigh’s murder, and only implicate her in possible child endangerment or hampering the investigation.

Kate
I agree with you 100%.
I have absolutely no faith in LE in that area and I find the man standing next to Misty to be in her space and those hands all over is distracting and aggressive. I hope these guys are not holding weight in Tommy and lift him to high heaven again, but it would not surprise me if they let him off to get a charge on Misty. They seem to like him and want to help him get out and I don’t trust them for it. After Jessica Lunsford I don’t put past Florida LE letting people go even in a child murder.I am unable to believe in them in any way what so ever after that case.

Carl Brown, who lives in the neighborhood,said Misty Croslin, “used to live two blocks from here” with her parents. (St. John’s River search area)

Brown said another resident told him he saw Croslin carrying a trash bag nearby in the days after Haleigh was reported missing.

About 7:30pm, The C.A. Pound Human Identification Laboratory, which provides “forensic anthropology services for medical examiners and coroners.” LEFT the search site.

SOURCE: PALATKADALYNEWS.COM FLORIDA April 14, 2010

well, it is too early for me to be certain TC is soon to be on the street, but if he is, I already like him a lot better!

T did say on video that LE had told him if he told what he knew all charges against him would go away.

About 7:30pm, The C.A. Pound Human Identification Laboratory, which provides “forensic anthropology services for medical examiners and coroners.” LEFT the search site.

SOURCE: PALATKADALYNEWS.COM FLORIDA April 14, 2010
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Wasn’t that reported yesterday and was there IN CASE they found remains? Makes sense after reading all the other garbage and innuendos. They could also help identify animal bones instead of human bones on site and no need to send them off to a lab.

Why would they leave without finding anything??

Why would TC’s bond suddenly re-appear?

Seems too coincidental

Is Lindsy’s myspace page the only source on this right now?

Not that hard for him to come up with $1516….

Misty’s Bond still $1.5 million

Lyndsy’s MS PLUS the fact that ONLY $1500 will get him out! LP will probably put it up for him.

IIRC, the old posts say they were looking for physical evidence. Is there a link that they found physical evidence? The link says that Chelsea contacted them to look there right after Tommy and Misty within fifteen minutes called the Grandmother.

The older posts also say that the bond for Tommy has always stated that.

OJ….why did TC’s bond suddenly show up, just as told it would should TC give LP or investigators the info they wanted? Why7 would Misty have to prove her claims but TC wouldn’t have to? Doesn’t compute.

Yes there are links where LE said they found evidence…YESTERDAY”s reports….pretty much all day yesterday

Today…they state no evidence…today

That’s why the conflicting reports.

Misty at site, TC rumored to be at site Mon or Tues LE rushing to TN to talk to JO….they never did that before when Misty made false claims so why now???

I have no idea hgm..remember chelsy saying to tommy ” jus call him” (LP)..could be a factor.

I wonder if they have dropped the breaking and entering and the gun theft charges, too.

No, charges not dropped, just bond returned to him….since he gave them what they wanted.

He still has to pay the $750 down (10%) plus the $500 (or maybe $50) and the $250 (Maybe $25)

So between $825 and $1500 is all it takes for him to be home with Lindsy & kids (Or where ever since Lyndsy’s Gparents won’t allow TC at her new place. LP might even help with that. (New place)

Surely one of the out of town warrents was the B & E’s….but not sure.

I wish I knew if they called Chuck’s tonight…

Heck…I onder if TC even knows yet? Wouldn’t that be something, if we knew it before he did?

cathartic….in the St John’s county log under bond it used to say -0- now it has a number…how can you say it alway’s had that number…no it didn’t until today.

Even Simon & TJ wrote articles about it….WITH SCREEN CAPS

So, TC gets bonded out but not Misty? Was the article about her testifying in exchange for reduced charges bogus? I am not familiar with the source, so it may be.

Sorry, not trying to yell…just confounded as to why no one else was talking about the bond issue before today if it always stated a bond before…

The original tip came from a woman named Flora Hollers in Tenn. She is the Grandmother of Joe Overstreet and Tommy Croslin, as they are cousins.She reported that she received a call from Tommy on Sunday and he told her” he just couldn’t hold it in much longer.” She told Tommy he may as well tell her because she knew what he was going to say, and inquired if Joe “did it”.Tommy replied “yes”.Mrs. Hollers then reported the conversation to the authorities.Details are sketchy at best, and not many match except both Tommy and Misty claim Joe took Haliegh from the home when efforts to steal a gun belonging to Ron failed..Does that make sense? No..The drug angle makes no sense either, we aren’t talking a big drug cartel here, at best a few prescriptions worth of pills! The drugs have no part in this!Unless you are including Misty’s appetite for them.The”drug sting” was no more than a tool used to put the press on Misty. The others were collateral damage in that mess.There are 2 theories, the first being Joe took the child and she’s now in the river, the other is that somehow, something happened to the child and Misty recruited help from Tommy and Joe to hide the evidence..makes you wonder about the letter written from that female friend of Misty’s from jail some months ago about Haleigh accidentally taking oxycontin resulting in an overdose…If you recall back in the very beginning it was Misty that put the police on Joe’s trail to start with, she didn’t seem afraid of him then!And while making any assesment of things it’s important to remember Tommy’s wife said her van she loaned Misty had been moved sometime during the night..It was parked in a different spot.It was reported that Crystal Sheffield screamed “joe killed my baby” as they was leaving the family meeting this morning.Now, what do you think happened?

They wouldn’t be letting tommy out if they thought or had any proof he may have harmed that little angel. So, that wld cross him off the list to me unless this is some planned adventure by LE to stir misty somehow. He gave them something serious.

Asking cjoe questions based on what tommy must have said means to me they were confirming something.

Were close to a big break it feels like.
Just because they haven’t arressted cjoe doesn’t mean they won’t and they are not watching him. They need some forensic proof of some kind to go along with whatever they(LE) think happened that night based on witness, either tommy or misty or both.

cathartic…I’m sorry….not trying to be ugly…just my head spun for a minute….wondering if maybe it had been like that….

jaba;

I agree….Looking like TC & JO might get minor issue but Misty taking the hard fall…I guess we will see…

HGM: You are a lot better at sleuthing than I am, which is why I was asking you to clarify (for me). I’ve checked from time to time to see that all were still in jail and I always saw that $7508 on TC’s info. It was there in the beginning and then his bond was revoked but that amount always remained listed. That’s why I was asking how we know he now has a bond. But if LC says it, it must be true.

I was thinking it might be JO taking the big fall. TC loves his sister. You can see it in him. If he gave anybody up, I would think it would be JO.

karon: remember tommy telling his wife “they want me to say joe did it and I’m not going to do it”? guess what…he did..played the get out of jail card.

James Werter said “I no longer represent Tommy Croslin on issues regarding Haleigh Cummings. I continue to represent him in his criminal cases.”

Maybe Tommy’s lawyer, James Werter, stopped representing Tommy in the HaLeigh Case because Tommy received immunity? If not I doubt Tommy will be released until LE gets what they want. IMO.

Misty naming Joe in the beginning as a person of interest etc… and now after many failed polygraph’s claims Joe is the kidnapper. PFFFTTTT IMO.

Waiting over a year and the fact Misty did not call 911 until Ron came home from work….. I need more independent corroborating evidence that does not include phone calls to Grandmother Flo Hollars.

Misty has flunked several polygraphs, and Tommy failed his last Thursday. Now we are suppose to believe this lead Tommy to confess he’d not only been there, but accompanied Joe to the river bank where they disposed of HaLeigh.

Where back to day 2… all lies with Misty

Seriously…no one can justify not having Moral Courage. They all are culpable IMO. Silence is not an excuse.

Hollys Gmom said,
“So if Misty’s story were true,”

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HGM..first find out if the LETTER is true (rape) then decide if her story is true..

bb12..its spelled “lays”..
sorry, a pet peeve of mine
like your and you’re

Makes me sick thinking a person who disposed of a child’s body and stayed mute about it for over a year would be given immunity. Not saying he did, but IF he did…

OJ’s glove said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 1:41 am

bb12..its spelled “lays”..
sorry, a pet peeve of mine
like your and you’re
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Where back to day 2… all lies with Misty

ITS A PUN….Misty LIES is a LIAR…..truth lays with Misty….Lies with Misty…JOKE….

I think they took Misty there to try and jog her memory, since it is so drug clouded. I think she was so high that night that she can’t recall most of it. However, either Haleigh was thrown in that river after she died or put in a container maybe, and that might be the evidence? Could be a gun at the bottom of the river too. At any rate, it is a huge coverup for sure. They all need to go down for it.

OJ’s glove said,in April 14th, 2010 at 10:02 pm Fields needs a spokesperson out there defending misty in the media
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I sooo agree. Joe’s lawyer did a good job of publicly defending him today.

WTH is up with Tommy’s lawyer…telling the world his client was taking a ldt? Then setting him up to do it with someone who worked for the Sheffields? Is this guy really a defence lawyer?

Tweets by The_Red_Rose

The_Rose_Red Like I said earlier..What I heard 2day is from a diff person than I had previously bN told info reg the pond drain search & Tommys admission

So I hear Haleigh came to ingest some drugs/pills that evening & her body reacted..Misty discovered her in this condition & contacted Tommy

Tommy was accompanied by Joe when he came over to the house..It was decided that they would dispose of Haleigh even though she as I

understood it was not dead to due the ingestion of the drugs..She was taken to the dock, slaughtered, & put into the water..

So ofcourse I asked the obvious question being WHY would Misty be fearful of calling 911 if Haleigh had taken pills/drugs..Likely would’ve

been Rons drugs/pills.. No answer obviously, how could they know.. Then I went on to ask well, WHY would Tommy & or Joe be willing to

commit murder for a situation in which they were called to & not apart of ?.. No answer.. Was Tommy & Joe there w/ Misty instead of her –

calling them to come over ? .. No Answer.. I asked questions that this person couldn’t answer due 2 havIN told me all that they knew.
The info this person offered was not the result of any theories..It is said 2 B what was relayed 2 the families when they were called 2 PCSO

I eluded to but not clearly stated how she died..They did tell me what was alleged to have occured to Haleigh, but MYSELF NOT KNOWING 4 a

FACT & CERTAIN if this is infact what took place on that dock I just don’t really want to say..I wouldn’t have posted this AT ALL if I

had ANY REASON to believe that this “story” isn’t atleast what has sparked the search for Haleigh whether it in the end be the EXACT

& account of what happened that night or not..That’s what a trial is 4 but I do tend to believe that this is what has this search rollin

Tuesday being told about Tommys admissions & being brought down to the water have been proven to be the truth..Today hearing that Misty is

also apart of Haleighs disappearence,not only Tommy & Joe, have also IMO been proven due to the fact she was brought to the dock 2 “point”

My only intention in postN what I’ve been told is 2 inform ya’ll, like myself, who have been waitIN EVERY SINGLE DAY since this began 4 news

SO anyone following me or just stopping in for a second to read can take it or leave it..I’m not going to debate it w/ anyone..Opinions Vary

Unfortunately the only comfort after having bIN told the alleged truth is that Haleigh was not aware of what was happening 2 her~Bless Her ♥

Karon said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:01 am Yes and they called the family in. They have something other than one person’s word.
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I’m not so sure. Maybe they did it because they messed up the family re the Mondex search by lying to them and pretending it wasn’t about Haleigh, only for them to find out from the press that it was. I think that’s all that it may be about…making sure the family doesn’t find out through the press again.

You guys are forgetting that MC is a total liar and she has them down there looking in the wrong place and blaming the wrong guy…just trying to help herself …once again..bet they don’t find a thing..

robin said,in April 14th, 2010 at 6:41 pm I think Misty being there is for one reason-public persecution. She could have corroborated anything said in the comforts of her jail cell, not on the scene in from of tv cameras/photographers. I cannot believe her lawyer would agree to parade her in front of the media like this. Something stinks here..I thought the original tip came from Tommy, yet he has not showed up at the scene.

yes he was there on Sunday and Tuesday!

OJ’s glove said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:24 am on the bond issue..could it be two different counties? in one he has a bond in the other he has a hold? Thieft in one county and who knows what in the other?
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Yes. The grand theft charge from September in PUTNAM COUNTY still has him as bond revoked on that charge. It is in Court again on the 13th of May. He always had bond on the other charges….no change. Someone just forgot to check Putnam County Court Records before they declared he got a bond on that charge.

OJ’s glove said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:46 am karon: define “stand up in court”.. it all depends on the 12 yahoos on the jury..the OJ jury in particular were the 12 stupidest people on the planet..at this stage if I were a juror I would find misty NOT GUILTY!
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I would too. In a second. There isn’t one of them in this whole mess that they appear to have any real evidence on (at least that we know of)….just gossip and innuendo. I wish they’d bring in new LE. Perhaps if this search amounts to nothing they will???

I don’t think Joe did anything.

ky mom,

Why are you certain Misty knows what happened? Nancy didn’t seem to have the actual letter…whatever she had was typewritten, and I doubt Misty typed a letter. I just don’t trust NG at all.

Life’s a B –
I don’t know if M is lying or not but polygraphs are not dependable which is why they are not admissable in court as evidence. For example, Ted Bundy PASSED one!
You might be interested in googling polygraphs or Lie Detector Tests and learning something about them.

LE don’t even use LDTs where I live. They seem to do more harm than good in investigations. I wonder if they would have found Jessica in time if her grandfather hadn’t failed his.

I really hope that if this search fails, they bring a new team of LE in to investigate this case. How did that happen in Jon Bonet’s case? Why can’t it happen here?

me said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 6:41 am

ky mom,

Why are you certain Misty knows what happened? Nancy didn’t seem to have the actual letter…whatever she had was typewritten, and I doubt Misty typed a letter. I just don’t trust NG at all.
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What if that was actually what she wrote. Would you think she is still innocent?

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it reads , the cousin of M.C. Joe Overstreet….
investigators think ‘he’is the key to solving the case , read on ,,,,very interesting if true,,,????

News 13 learned Wednesday through a source close to the investigation that an arrest could come soon.

an arrest soon , ???? wonder [who] there seems to be so many involved ,,

I have trouble believing that after 14 months they are trying to find something as small as a gun. I guess it could have gotten tangled up in some underwater vines or whatever, but I don’t know. If they find anything still there that small I would be surprised. If they want to really get things stirred up, they should take some heavy duty crane with a giant claw and just tear into the bottom of this river.

I think that alot of the news outlets are putting stuff out there just because LE is not talking and everyone is taking it as true. jmo

14 months ago … the area should have been searched ” why wait for spring do it now”

its imminent, A sourse close to the case, an arrest in the Cummings’ case is Imminent,
also, Authorities are now calling the area [A Crime Scene)

I kinda agree poohpig – it seems just slightly more real than the pond blow up, but I’m not sure they are getting anywhere either. You have to ask yourself though, why a boat ramp? If it’s just a body (and I hate saying that), or even just a gun, you don’t need a boat ramp for that.

Shockwave…..my question is this….IF and IF someones is rolling over and telling what happened….what if they don’t find the “evidence” they are looking for? These people are known liars so it’s not like you can prosecute on hearsay.

I agree Shockwave , I believe if a body was thrown in these merky waters , it would be a miracle to retrieve it ,, or anything , 14 months??
Hey! we dont need a Body to make an arrest,,,

Hopefully & I pray, she is not gone forever , it doesn’t look good . such a beautiful little girl,

LOL! OJ’s thanks for the laugh! Good morning sunshine!
No really though, define personal space. Also how can her “personal space” have been violated when it seems ol Misty is willingly agreeing to being there, on the small confines of that dock, supposedly aiding in the investigation?

If Steve Brown has solved this case as he stated…why have people not been charged with Haleigh’s murder? I just don’t understand this.

If Haleigh had been assaulted at the dock or even assaulted prior to being taken to that dock isn’t it possible that there would be some type of dna evidence found at the scene?

Might that be why LE now apparently considers it an “official” crime scene? hmmm.

Apparently Misty is going to testify against the one who did it for a reduce sentence on her drug charges. Wow….. Misty didn’t do it and is not being charged!

OHHH WELLL!!!!@ 9:03am .. maybe you can teach me hahahaha!!!!!

OHHH WELLL!!!!@ 9:03am .. maybe you can teach me hahahaha!!!!!

Misty is got a deal for a reduced sentence to testify against the abductor.
Tommy’s bond has been set on his drug charges, seems to me he is not going to be arrested.
Joe claims he is innocent.
SO WHO IS LE GOING TO ARREST???????

m2c♥ said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 4:52 am

JB – I’m referring to the year long campaign to place blame on R when people should have been looking at ALL theories! Including SOs and BioMom’s side. And MG DID orchestrate a smear campaign – it is documented and some bloggers who participated in it have had the decency to apologize for it.

Spending a year plus beating up Haleigh’s father while ignoring or whitewashing info about her mother was not right. I don’t care where she disappeared from. How many examples do you need of kids who were kidnapped from right under their parents’ noses?
Trying to justify that kind of unrelenting cruelty is pathetic.

_______________________________ AND MY RESPONSE TO YOU IS……….

m2c – I believe people have expressed concern that Crystal has custody of Jr, thank you very much but this is the HALEIGH CASE we are discussing. If at some point Jr. goes missing from Crystal’s home then I can assure you she will come into focus during the JR CASE…but until such time, I choose to focus on the HALEIGH CASE which took place AT RON’S HOUSE, WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND.

And I have stated NUMEROUS times before…I do NOT fault a parent if they take every precaution to protect their children… accidents happen, kids get hurt, and pedophiles will lure them, abduct them, assault them, etc… BUT when a parent takes part in risky behavior which endangers their child then I DO have a problem with that.

EXAMPLE: In one case you have a parent (the average NORMAL parent) buying a trampoline for their child and sending them out to play on it…..one child falls off, breaks their arm….I do not fault the parent.

In THIS case you have a parent (RON) buying their child a trampoline and setting it in the middle of a busy road, lighting it on fire, handing their child a fist full of sharp knives and sending them out unsupervised to play on it and they DIE…..I DO fault the parent. It is apples and oranges m2c and surely even YOU can see that.

Is it possible that this search is all a hoax being orchestrated by the ones who are making the allegations?

Yeah coulda figured this one out. Thankfully one of these drug addicted losers came forward so this beautiful child can be put to rest the way she should be. In my opinion these pieces of white trash wastes of space and existance need to be shot in the head and dumped in a sewer. I hope the whole lot of em end up behind bars. Especially Misty, and Ron for leaving those children under her supervision. Ron is no man, none of them are human, just a bunch of self centered drug addicted losers who don’t deserve the breath that is inside of them.

Tuff… my gut says it is legit. I don’t think LE would have wasted all this energy if they didn’t have something already in hand to back it up. This is an ALL OUT search. It could just be wishful thinking but I truly believe this is it and we will have answers soon. I think this has been LE’s suspicion all along and the reason for the drug sting….it was a way for LE to seperate these people and put pressure on them to spill the beans. Everyone complained about LE doing it but I for one thought it was smart. These people just made it easy for LE because they can’t stay out of trouble. I believe LE’s plan worked. I think they’ve had bits and pieces of evidence all along that we didn’t know about and now all the pieces are coming together. They may not find Haleigh….are much of her as horrid as that sounds. Alligators, turtles, fish, currents, muck and mire..not to mention 14 months….it doesn’t bode well for LE finding much but I think they’ll have plenty even without a “body”….I hope so anyway. JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!

Come on JB and m2c, I miss when you guys were getting along. We are all here for the same reason – Haleigh. When we find out who’s guilty will we really care “who” did it. We will either be so happy that she was found alive, or we will be very sad that she is not. Fact is, we don’t really know for sure what is going on. The media is lying to us left and right. Whatever will improve their ratings.

14 months doesn’t feel swift and sweet.

JB, your post is well said and I agree with you. I hope for Haleighs sake this is not a hoax and I do not believe it to be. I had also heard Tommy was taken to the crime scene on Monday. Steve Brown in his interview said that he believed the case became a homicide investigation the day before his interview. I still do not believe Mistys story on what happened the night Haleigh disappeared.

There is a video of the GrandMother admitting all that.

I’m checking in for the first time today. Did anyone hear anything about Haleigh possibly getting into pills and Misty called Tommy for help?

Okay so why not do a LDT on Joe?

JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:24 am Shockwave – sorry, but tired of the same ole’ bullying. It is a constant attack on Tobias and others and I’m sick of it. Everything we say gets picked at and I’m TIRED of it. I’m stressed out and want this case to be solved so bad so my patience is stretched to the limit right now. I will apologize to my fellow bloggers for my outburst to m2c but I will NOT apologize to m2c because I meant every word. She needs to STOP! I’m FED UP!
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I too have felt bullied by m2c but I’m not going to let her get to me. JB I was so impressed with the way you tried to get everyone to work together on different theories. Hang in there and take a deep breath. 🙂

kbrooks I’m with ya on that. I would love to see if Joe would be willing to take a LDT for sure!

Shockwave said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:18 am Come on JB and m2c, I miss when you guys were getting along. We are all here for the same reason – Haleigh. When we find out who’s guilty will we really care “who” did it. We will either be so happy that she was found alive, or we will be very sad that she is not. Fact is, we don’t really know for sure what is going on. The media is lying to us left and right. Whatever will improve their ratings.
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Exactly, The news media is all about ratings and until the truth is found in that river and the true POI is named, Misty did it will sell.

Ky Mom do you know if Crystals myspace message was just put up or has it been there?

I would love to hear the jailhouse phone calls to Grandma from Tommy and Misty.

HMMMMM
Tn and GGS still believe HaLeigh is alive too. WTH is going on here. Why was the convo between HaLeighs family and SH a secret? Why would SH say because this is sensitive we will not release the tipsters name and the very next morning SB (CS hired PI)is on the news saying “I solved the case”.

Because Art Harris ratted him out on NG, so he might as well go ahead and say something now.

Gosh,JB and others.

That’s very much the way I and others have felt when we were called names, railed at, accused of having agendas and opinions we did not have, and personally threatened for daring to disagree with some bloggers and for OUR opinions! LOL!

I have always had about seven theories on the case and have been literally bludgeoned for encouraging open-mindedness.
And apparently it’s still going on. How about you all stop that?

Looking – I believe I heard that MC or RC cleaned up after the police had already been there after the initial 911 call. LE would not have known about the pile of laundry and Haleigh’s shirt if they had tried to clean up prior to.

Or they left the shirt there to see what Misty would do when she saw it. Misty sure used that one in her “if I was hiding something why would I give them the shirt” claim. But in the original 911 she said Haleigh had on her pajamas not the shirt.jmo

Shockwave, According to reports,Misty was washing blankets prior before she went to bed. It was later stated that the beds were made and did not look slept in upon LE’s arrival to the mh and the washer was going and dirty clothes in the dryer. I believe it was TN and AS that cleaned the mh after LE released it as a crime scene for the disappearance.

looking for Justice said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:51 am Thanks Ky Mom.Crystal did not learn this news until Monday according to reports. Do you think it is possible that this message was posted prior to her hearing this horrible news?
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If we are to believe her PI, I would imagine CS has been in the know for awhile. He claims he solved the case Monday though. SS myspace reflected some type of knowledge at 8:52 pm Monday night.
That is another reason I do not believe the BS about LE calling CS to be the first to tell her that a search was being conducted before she heard it from media. Nothing is adding up IMO.

The tipster is in my opinion S. Brown and what or who gave him the info is the secret. jmo

I think Misty’s story (as we know it) is a little hinky too. I saw where Hollysgmom posted something about Haleigh Overdosing but wasn’t quite dead so Joe finished the job. That is an absolutely SICKENING thought but might explain a lot. Why she avoided Ron’s calls…why Tommy and Joe came over….why the cover-up….and why Tommy and Misty BOTH know exactly where Joe dumped Haleigh (as they were both there too and part of it) AND why they all kept their mouths shut all this time (Because they were all part of it). Again, don’t know if ANY of this is true but it does make a little sense. It could be possible that Ron found out about Haleigh overdosing and it was his drugs and so he is part of the cover-up as well but that is COMPLETELY opinion and just a possible theory. Still SO much we don’t know. I just don’t believe Misty was afraid of Joe. If she has kept her mouth shut it is to save her own behind because she took part in it all….again…JMO

TM39 Knowing that the pi is retired FBI his first obligation would be to report any information related to a crime to the proper authorities first and foremost.

I would not think that any real professional pi would leak out information even to his client if it might compromise a legal case.

JB,
I was thinking the same thing with the overdose. That would explain Ron’s involvement. I still think he is somehow involved and strange behavior.

I have had 2 theories, one goes along with yours Romewi, Haleigh od’d and they covered it up…or Misty beat the stuff out of her and she passed.

I would just like to know if KP or Cobra knew about SB?

Romewi said,in April 15th, 2010 at 11:12 am JB,
I was thinking the same thing with the overdose. That would explain Ron’s involvement. I still think he is somehow involved and strange behavior.
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Total agreement.

The OD/cover-up theory might explain Ron’s strange expression while being led out of jail the other day too. He didn’t look sad. He didn’t really look angry. He looked concerned and a little “smirky” like he did in his mug shot. If he is in no way involved he sure has a strange way of conducting himself and expressing himself. He could be somewhat fearful the truth and his involvement will come out as well.

JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 11:30 am The OD/cover-up theory might explain Ron’s strange expression while being led out of jail the other day too. He didn’t look sad. He didn’t really look angry. He looked concerned and a little “smirky” like he did in his mug shot. If he is in no way involved he sure has a strange way of conducting himself and expressing himself. He could be somewhat fearful the truth and his involvement will come out as well.
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My thoughts exactly, JB
Everyone was saying how pitiful he looked. JMO JMO JMO I thought he had a look of “fear” that day. But JMO

No updates are they still searching? What is the live link?

I was hoping we’d have some sort of update by now. fingers crossed

Here’s a theory that ties Ron, Misty, Tommy and Joe together. Just a theory. I have had many.

Ron instructs Misty to give Haleigh something to make her sleep. Haleigh overdoses and dies. Tommy helps Misty dispose of Haleigh while Ron is at work. Joe Overstreet is the fall guy.

This would be way too long of a post to break it all down. This theory could explain so many actions of Ron, Misty and Tommy.

They have done some crazy things. Marriages, divorces, tattoos, and dead rats. But why are they so confident that they can do such things and get away with it? Because if one goes down they all go down.

TY Romewi, I found the live news channel at jax. I think one of the items is the yellow rope everyone keeps talking about. The other could be anything including a cinder block.
She had to have ben weighted down with something or she would have come up on the shore somewhere. jmo

Looks like it finally might all come out…. I hope!

Jb… I was thinking the same thing about rc’s demeanor yesterday, and it makes it more interesting to me why he married mc.I’ve never really thought he was involved until now but I remember wondering when they got married, if it could have been rc that accidentally let Haleigh over dose and she was dead before rc even went to work, and all the plotting & lies & cover up ensued from there to protect rc?

Fed Up….
I thought I heard somewhere that Tommy confessed to being at the boat landing when Joe dumped the body.

I think something happened to Haleigh on Misty’s watch (possibly Ron was there also) and Tommy (and maybe Joe & Timmy) was called to help cover it up. Tommy is covering for Misty because he realized the trouble he could be in and together they came up with the plan to blame this on Joe. I think if Joe hurt Haleigh and Tommy watched him dump the body then Misty would have talked a long time ago. What reason would Misty have for not calling 911 when Joe took Haleigh?

“Apparently Misty is going to testify against the one who did it for a reduce sentence on her drug charges. Wow….. Misty didn’t do it and is not being charged!”

Even if it wasn’t Misty who killed the baby.She knew who did and where they placed her so she is just as guilty and should be charged as an accessory and for withholding evidence.

I personally think the OD theory is the best bet.Maybe Misty wanted to knock Haleigh out so she could go party?If I recall, didn’t she say once that she called Teresa Neves and asked her to watch Haleigh becuase she”didn’t want to babysit that night”?
As far as what transpired that night following the OD.She probably came home and found Haleigh dead and called someone she trusted and who were seasoned criminals”her brothers” to help her hide the body.I really do not think after watching the interviews that Joe was involved.Not sure why but I don’t think he did anything,he seems traumatized/hurt by these accusations. Prior to watching the videos all I knew of Joe was that he had a criminal history and was possibly a SO but I read somewhere the only thing he did was attempt to steal a car stereo when he was younger and he got shot in the wrist while doing so by the owner of the car,so if he is a “criminal” he’s a bumbling idiot of a criminal.
He seems very emotional,crying uncontrollably at his interview.If he had just murdered a child I don’t think he could maintain his composure and coolly hang up Haleigh posters alongside Misty the next morning without shaking,crying or throwing up.
I do think that he is probably the least cared about by Misty and she and Tommy think they can pin it on him since he was an “outsider” from another state, just an idiot cousin.If it all comes out that Joe was not involved I think the whole Croslin clan should apologize to him for dragging him in to this nightmare.I could be wrong and his demeanor could have me fooled but I don’t know.He just doesn’t strike me as a murderer.If he is a SO it’s not on his record ,unless he did it as a minor?
I guess time will tell but I do hope someone gains a conscience and tells the whole truth and not just to get their drug charges reduced. sheesh.

Hey everyone, I have spent alot of the last three days “lurking” and reading and like most of you here, I agree…nothing makes any sense.
I have a theory that i would like to throw out here that I’m sure some of you have already thought about, yet, I think it bears repeating….It makes no sense to me that tommy and joe came to steal a gun from ron and couldn’t find it so tommy left and joe took HaLeigh…unless Ronald owed joe alot of money for drugs…or owed money for the gun itself. If Joe gave ron a time limit to pay for his “front” and ron didn’t come through. perhaps this is why joe took Haleigh. It may have started out just to hold her until he came up with cash, thinking a few hours…not realizing that ron would certainly call 911, now he must dispose of her to avoid charges himself. possible?

My theory on Joe used to be that he told LE what he knew and they were just waiting for the proof…reason Misty, Tommy, & Ron are in jail and Joe isn’t. Now I’m not sure. I think he knows what happened and may have helped get rid of her body but I don’t think he personally harmed Haleigh.

You have got to be beyond whacked out on drugs to murder a child in cold blood.

Thats also the reason they could deal with what happened, they drugged themselves into not caring. jmo

Tobias I agree that they drug themselves into not caring what happened but man what a bunch of losers. I look at Misty and I get so angry. What a cold heartless beotch.

I can’t help but think that joe showed up to either collect from ron for drugs or steal this gun BACK. When it wasn’t there he took Haleigh for coladeral.

Rons behavior??? Heres my opinion after seeing him walk out. He hates himself and i think in that heart felt conversation with family Crystal had words with him. Like how he could let something like this happen and its all his fault. I think he was trying to still act all big and bad when really all he wants to do is curl up in a bawl and die! His heart’s gone, his son is gone and he feels hes got nothing but a cell to look foward to.

and the family friend that said the atmosphere was tense in there. Well id say!

Hi Romewi,

Im not sure about Tommy confessing to being at the boat launch but either way… if he did say that he was at the boat launch… it doesnt make sense that Joe wud have taken Haleigh and threatened Misty with her life … and then go and get Tommy where he wud then hold a gun to his head…and threaten him to…. For someone trying to keep something like this a secret wud seem silly to keep involving ppl, especially ppl that havent said a word about this for so long…

Also, I doubt Ron was involved or that Haleigh was hurt or accidently killed or almost dead… Ron was at work and it has been confirmed .. Also, his reaction was pretty genuine… Tommy and Joe hate Ron enough that if there was any truth to that they wude have turned on him months ago…

Misty isnt smart enough to have kept in an accident, drug related or not ….

On account that Tommy confessed to being there 8 months later and said that it looked like no one was home…… why did he say that ?????unless LE had something to show he was there…

Tommy and Misty havenet shown that they are afraid of anyone..and wont submit to anyone either.. Tommy clearly shows he will steal guns, and threaten ppl and that he is a druggie and is violent….. Misty had to get a restraining order against him…

It seems to me that the common thread here is Tommy…

He placed himself at the crimescene at the trailer, and had every reason to come clean with this story right from the start…

If he has placed himself at the boatlaunch then that is the 2 crimsscenes ….

He knew Joe has bween made out to be a suspect via Misty….

I think Tommy went in there and took Haleigh for either money for human trafficaing or becasue he was pissed at ron and decided he wud take revenge…Misty also accused him of being a ped…..There are way more reasons to think that Misty may have been asleep and one of these 2 thugs came in for any number of reasons..

Misty wasnt afraid to call 911 where drug use was going on… I doubt she wud have encountered a prob with haleighs health for whatever reason.. and decided to stage a kidnapping and dispopse of the remains.. doesnt make sense.. jmho…

I think Miaty was asleep just like she said when Tommy or Joe took Haleigh and that Misty hasnt got a clue what happened as she was sleeping..

Tommy wud have known her sleepiong habits.. I doubt Miasty was strung out as family saw her at 8ish where she was reported normal and sober..LE saw her at 3:17 ish am and shud have been able to tell if she was impaired in any way….I believe she wud have protected Haleigh against her captor if she was awake..

I believe she is feeling forced into this sham to save her life as clearly LE have not believed one word she said from the start..
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Here is the important snipet…..the article is on Jax4news

Hollars said the ordeal has been beyond difficult for their family. She said, however, she thinks Overstreet knows more than he’s telling investigators. He came back to Tennessee a few days after Haleigh disappeared.

“He’s been a changed person since he got back from Florida,” she said. “He’s not been the same person anymore. There’s been a complete turnaround. And there’s a scare in his eyes. And it’s been there ever since he came back.”

Hollars also said whenever she wears a shirt with Haleigh’s face on it, Overstreet often leaves the house and refuses to talk about Haleigh.

Fed Up – if Misty was sleeping how is it she is on the boat dock pointing to a specific place out in the river? And why has her story changed so much? How is it now that she can say Joe and Tommy came for the gun, couldn’t find it, took Haleigh, etc, if she was asleep? Why make up that story? Dang, none of this makes sense. Trying to fit the facts into her story (as ever-changing as it is) is next to impossible. Why wouldn’t she call 911 right after Joe left with Haleigh? I’m just not buying that….it doesn’t make sense to me. Why would she hang out with and go visit Joe if she was afraid of him. I’m SOOO getting a headache.

tobias, Don’t forget the old saying…”dinomite comes in small packages”! lol

Tommy is in this no matter what theory we seem to come up with. I’m going to go back and listen to some of his tapes and see if anything sticks out.

I bet we’ll all know answers soon enough.

I am so sick of all these little children getting hurt, kidnapped, drugged, sexually molested and/or killed. What can we do? What needs to be done? It seems the problem is out of control. It’s all so terrible and yet what do we do about it? We need to unite and stop the abuse. Where are all these sick people coming from? Ever see the thing on Dateline about online sexual predators? They come out of the freakin woodwork! It just makes me sick…. Somehow we must stop it all. If I had my way, these people would get capital punishment but what to do to prevent it is the big question.
Prayers and justice for Haleigh and all the rest of the precious little lost ones.

Just watched joes interview again…is he smirking? does he feel safe since they don’t have anything on him? Theres something about this guy that doesn’t sit right with me. jmo

Someone please tell me that we have LE confirming that it was indeed Misty they took to the docks. I do not want a reporters guess.
Misty has now cut her hair to shoulder length and has gain about 40 lbs and gone up 4 bra sizes.
That side profile is also not what I would expect with Misty’s little pug nose..

IMO Ron’s facial expression when he came out of PCSO after the family interview didn’t look smirky or arrogant or cocky. I have seen each of those expressions on him at times, but not that day. To me, Ron looked like someone resigned to the fact that his daughter will not come home alive. He looked emotionally beaten.

But that is just my opinion; some here will not agree and I am OK with that.

Grandma Holler is the Grandma that told Misty in one of their phone conversations that she told Tommy he could not be calling and using up those minutes because they were for Misty. I am not sure who is protecting who, but this story that Misty said stinks to high heavens!

cathartic said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:19 pm IMO Ron’s facial expression when he came out of PCSO after the family interview didn’t look smirky or arrogant or cocky. I have seen each of those expressions on him at times, but not that day. To me, Ron looked like someone resigned to the fact that his daughter will not come home alive. He looked emotionally beaten.

But that is just my opinion; some here will not agree and I am OK with that.

Rons behavior??? Heres my opinion after seeing him walk out. He hates himself and i think in that heart felt conversation with family Crystal had words with him. Like how he could let something like this happen and its all his fault. I think he was trying to still act all big and bad when really all he wants to do is curl up in a bawl and die! His heart’s gone, his son is gone and he feels hes got nothing but a cell to look foward to.

and the family friend that said the atmosphere was tense in there. Well id say!

I agree! He is emotionally drained!
I may eat my words later but i do not feel ron had anything to do with his daughter going missing. Except neglegence in his trust of Misty!

Jules said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:04 pm I bet we’ll all know answers soon enough.

I am so sick of all these little children getting hurt, kidnapped, drugged, sexually molested and/or killed. What can we do? What needs to be done? It seems the problem is out of control. It’s all so terrible and yet what do we do about it? We need to unite and stop the abuse. Where are all these sick people coming from? Ever see the thing on Dateline about online sexual predators? They come out of the freakin woodwork! It just makes me sick…. Somehow we must stop it all. If I had my way, these people would get capital punishment but what to do to prevent it is the big question.
Prayers and justice for Haleigh and all the rest of the precious little lost ones
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I nominate this as the post for the day!
We all need to unite to make the changes that need to take place to protect every child.

Kate W. said,in April 15th, 2010 at 1:39 pm Does anyone have a definitive statement from PCSO that this has been changed to a homicide investigation? (An actual quote from PCSO, not from “sources close to the investigation, or such.)

No Ma’am.

I just read from cbsnews that they all calling it a crime scene. So I dont really know

This is what I READ it was posted 52 minutesago

SATSUMA, Fla. (CBS/AP) The search for Haleigh Cummings, the 5-year-old who disappeared in northeast Florida more than a year ago, resumed in the murky waters of the St. John’s River, and investigators were joined by a handcuffed Misty Croslin, Haleigh’s ex-stepmother, who was the last person to see little Haleigh alive. Investigators are now saying that they consider the search area a crime scene.

PICTURES: Haleigh Cummings Missing

Misty Cummings, Joe Overstreet (Putnam County Sheriff’s Office/WETV)
As the search entered its third day, divers continue to come up empty and the search seemed to be concentrated around a dock on the river about five miles from Haleigh’s house in Satsuma, Fla., 65 miles south of Jacksonville. It’s a small area that reportedly has not been searched before.

Croslin was seen standing on the dock with investigators Wednesday, near what looks to be a table with items on it. She was wearing jail house blues and had shackles around her hands. Investigators aren’t saying why she was brought there.

Members of Haleigh’s family told CBS affiliate WTEV Wednesday that it was a tip from Croslin’s brother that led investigators to the area.

PICTURES: Haleigh Cummings Missing

Another reported “person of interest” in the case, Croslin’s cousin Joe Overstreet, held a press conference Wednesday in his hometown of Nashville, Tenn. Overstreet was reportedly in Satsuma the night Haleigh disappeared and was questioned by the FBI at the time.

Overstreet’s grandmother, Flora Hollars, told WTEV that she called police this week after a phone conversation with Overstreet’s cousin, Hank Croslin, prompted her to believe Overstreet had something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.

Overstreet said Wednesday that he had nothing to do with it and doesn’t know who did.

“If I knew who did it, I would go straight and call the cops and tell them who did it,” Overstreet told reporters Wednesday.

MEDIA

Jules @ 1:33pm – Great post. Yes! We could be helping in some way. Any of a number of different ways as suits each person.

I’ve posted the web sites of many national organizations before. Rather than do that again I suggest that people just google for what they are interested in: Missing children, child abuse/neglect, child predators, etc.

There are many organizations that are doing good works in these areas. Also, people might want to find out what’s going on in their own state. For example, after Sarah Foxwell’s tragic murder in Maryland, people have been working for stronger penalties for sex offenders in that state.

There’s a lot all of us can do. Just google and find an organization that you are interested in supporting (as a volunteer or donor or whatever).

I doubt very much that LE would work 3 days on a tip fron an old woman who has said on tape that she has brain problems. I would say the tip came from S Brown. jmo

LE would most definately not be doing their jobs if they didn’t follow up on that tip though too Tobias.

Just possible LE is looking for something that was NOT chunked in the river 14 mos ago. I’m thinking what they are looking for is a fairly new deposit.

Why do you think that? Just curious why you think that.jmo

great posts Jules & m2c.

Texas… Did LE say it was a ” credible witness”… I had heard a tip but not necessarily credible lol..I also read it was a conversation that tommy had with gramma where he told her what happened and she in turned called LE.. Of course Misty had caled gramma 15 minutes after Tommy telling her the same story…

ALso, I am with you… LE continue to put all their eggs in one basket.. They have held Misty accountable from day 1 and botched the crime scene…Apparantly, they continue to have blinders on…

The one person who keeps coming to my mind is Tommy ! He is the one who placed himself at the scene 8 months later… He is also the one now who comes forward with this new account where he CONVENIENTLY accuses Joe. We already know that Misty has told LE about her suspicions of both Joe and Tommy since the get go..

Now al of a sudden Tommy screams Joe did it!

Seems way too convenient to me…
Why after so long has he come forward now?? He has somehow had this plan devised for him and it has been leaked thru to Misty via PI’s lawyers ..whoever while in jail..

If Misty knew this from the start, I cant see how she held it all.. She doesnt seem capable of that.. We saw her on jail house video and she even got 2 more counts becasue of her lack of discretion via the phone..

She was hysterical in jail and we saw her at witts end.. If she truly knew this about Joe.. I cant believe for 1 second that she held bak out of alleged fear…

Now Tommy 2 tone come up with another tale…He knows who did it and what happened… How did he manage to conceal this from LE for this lo0ng ??? Why .. He hasnt liked being in jail…

He has kepyt implying Misty knows more than she is telling.. How did he think that was going to help their cause????

Now al of a sudden he has the answers and may have even been able to point LE in the general vacinity where Haleigh is…

If LE find one ounce of evidence, that will be Tommy at the 2 places he has lied about being for this long … Looks like he is a good as a perp!!! Maybe even moreseo than Joe.. We see how hostile and violent he gets.. We have seen him place a headless rat in their mailbox, come to the house with guns a blazin, where Misty has to get a restraining order againt him…..

Then there is Misty who is sop desperate that no one has believed that she knows nothing .. watching the key to her cell evaporate,…
We already know that she suspected Joe becasue of Ron accusiong him and tommy of stealing the gun so she corroborates Tommy story as she believes what she is saying is the truth but embellishes to set herself free…

The sad part is that I dont blame her as LE have given her no choice other than to come up with what happened even though she was likely asleep and has no real knowledge of what happened other than speculation which is all LE has too….

Funny to hear Tommy on the tapes tell his gramma weeks ago how he wud never pin this on Joe if joe was innocent…

Setting the stage!!!!! I think he has the REAL answers.. Hopefully Misty will cave and tell LE that she was going along with this as per Tommys instruction .. I think she will be easy to break.. hopefully LE try to break her instead of being complacent and accepting anything that Tommy says as truth!

I was just able to catch up by reading all the posts. Maybe I am naive but I really don’t believe anyone hurt Haleigh intentially. The scenario presented about Joe finishing her off at the boat dock just gave me chills – I pray that is not the case. I really believe, as a few people have said, that Haleigh died from an overdose. Either Ron and/or Misty gave her something to quiet her and she died. Misty panicked and called her brothers to help her. I haven’t seen Timmy’s name come up (in the last few days) but I think he might have some involvement too. The only reason to dump the body is to cover up for the drugs. Ron’s behavior has always baffled me – I think he is involved. Joe probably helped too. We will know soon enough. I just pray that we learn that Haleigh did not suffer.

Ok, I have a question for all you that think RC killed/injured her before he went to work. WHY would Misty not tell this now? Why blame Joe? She NOTHING to lose here. If RC killed or injured Haleigh she would have told that story instead of taking down JO and her won brother TC. She would have NO REASON to keep protecting RC, she is going to prison on traffiking charges either way, so why not tell on him and get a sentence vs. making up stuff about TC and JO, that can not be proved if it is not true.

That theory holds NO water, give it up, let it go, it’s over, just stop.

She loves him and with the tatoo on her back it seems she always will.jmo

I just re-listened to the last audio tapes of Tommy and he repeatedly said he would not pin this on Joe. He would not send and innocent person to jail for something they did not do. He said Misty needed to stop lying and leave his name out of this. He also said he thought Misty knew what happened. Now he suddenly wants to blame Joe for all of this.

tobias said,in April 15th, 2010 at 2:01 pm I doubt very much that LE would work 3 days on a tip fron an old woman who has said on tape that she has brain problems. I would say the tip came from S Brown. jmo
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I am not to sure about that. Why would SH discredit him on national tv.
He also would of been included in LE advising him as well not to speak to media due to the sensitive nature of the case.
IMO it is not surprising that CS PI would disregard LE and speak to the press. Maybe another one of her employes needs to be fired for not following CS direction or maybe he was.

Karen – you make good points. I would argue that Misty participated and that makes her equally culpable. She loves Ron and he probably (being older and wiser) told her that they would both go down together. Of course all of this is JMO but I can’t let go of my gut feelings about Ron. I won’ speak of it again – I think it upsets too many people.

Texas…can we get past the CS did this thing, please. You don’t see LE dragging CS and family in shackles onto the boat dock. This isn’t a great CS conspiracy here to set up Misty and her family.

Mr. Brown isn’t the bad guy here either. As far as I can tell he got the ball rolling as to what happened to Haleigh and that means it is now possible we will get answers and Haleigh will get justice so in MY eyes, at least, he is a hero….and NOT a suspect in some twisted conspiracy with CS.

I love my husband too, but there is no way in hell I am going to go to prison for him or anyone else for that matter. And if I was involved in something and could get a sentence reduction by turning on him, well, he better watch it.

If Misty would turn on her own brother, she would turn on RC. And FWIW I don’t think she is so in love w/ him anymore. Misty loves Misty more than she loves anyone else.

Brown didn’t go looking for the media to talk to ….. they came to him. He hasn’t disclosed the details of what he knows or sold his story. He isn’t compromising the investigation. If he had talked we would ALL know what he knows by now because the media would have it plastered on billboards from coast to coast. He is appeasing the media frenzy by saying he KNOWS the truth but he has NOT said what that is so that the investigation can move forward….IMVHO

beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 15th, 2010 at 2:39 pm You know what… there is hardily anyone here that feels/believes that Ron intentionally hurt HaLeigh, atleast that goes for the “oldies & regulars” here.
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You know what I keep seeing it, so someone here thinks it. Oldie or regular IDK.

Beautiful*Adams(cent) Do you have Holly G’s twitter name. I don’t use Twitter but I have searched and can’t find anything under Holly Gmom. Thanks!

Thanks!

JB said,in April 15th, 2010 at 2:37 pm Texas…can we get past the CS did this thing, please. You don’t see LE dragging CS and family in shackles onto the boat dock. This isn’t a great CS conspiracy here to set up Misty and her family.

Mr. Brown isn’t the bad guy here either. As far as I can tell he got the ball rolling as to what happened to Haleigh and that means it is now possible we will get answers and Haleigh will get justice so in MY eyes, at least, he is a hero….and NOT a suspect in some twisted conspiracy with CS.
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But JB, with all due respect, aren’t you now deciding FOR EVERYONE what they are allowed to believe or speculate on?
What you said (above) depends on whether LE is on the up and up and whether the tips are correct etc. There is no proof yet. Only more tips and another search. Otherwise not much of anything “new.” I think TM39 is entitled to continue with her theories – whether they fall in line with yours, the medias, or LEs, don’t you?

m2c♥ (((hugs))) thank you
It does mean a lot to me that you have stuck up for my opinion and right to express it even if it is not very popular.

She prob. keeps “dragging her into it” for the same reason you all keep dragging RC into it. AFAIK CS has never been cleared if you apply the same rules to her as you all do RC.

I personally think they have both been cleared. but, if HE hasn’t then neither has SHE.

JB, please try to understand this.
You are telling TM39 to shut up about her theory because you “don’t get it.”

Well, I “don’t get” some bloggers’ obsessive and often unfounded year-long stoning of a particular person (some of it is deserved certainly but it’s so over the top it’s sickening to me). And you and some others have beaten me up for it – even today.

We are individuals. We have different opinions and are “fed up with” and “don’t get” different things. That’s the way it is.

But please, after raking me over the coals calling me a bully, don’t behave like a real one yourself.

JB are you at work, do you have access to Twitter or RadioNewz?

Can this just stop now please?
The way I look at it no matter what we all want resolution to this case and justice to prevail. Not everyone can be right and not everyone can be wrong. When and if this case does get solved some are going to be wrong. Chances are that the emotions they have been feeling in either being supportive of some or not are going to be crushed no matter what the case may be. I’m not looking forward to that outcome to be quite honest. Every single person who is posting here has the heart to contribute their thoughts and opinions each and every day. I think that value of caring is equal amongst everyone here.
I appreciate that.

m2c – tex….”ignore – To pay no attention to: disregard.” Just in case you need help with the definition. You ask me to ignore, I comply and then you keep posting to me. IGNORE ME! I WILL IGNORE YOU! DOESN’T GET MUCH EASIER THAN THAT!

News4jax presser:
This is now OFFICIALLY a homicide investigation. Numerous arrests expected to be made. “People are starting to talk”. SH

b*a – yes, at work…no access to Twitter, YouTube, video, etc. Why? Am I missing sumpin….again? LOL

Did I hear right that Misty might be talking?

Its now offically a homicide. per LE. Several persons of interest. jmo

To be honest I hope with everything I have got that my own beliefs and thoughts on this case are way off base.

Wow… Misty’s demeanor… Hardy’s response… calmness, she realizes she’s in trouble! (paraphrasing)

I can’t find the press conference. Only news reports on what was said. Any links?

Thanks Anth, I’m full of it…er…thoughts. LOL

Thanks Anth, I’m full of it…er…thoughts. LOL

Haleigh Marie Cummings may you watch over your little brother and protect him! You didnt deserve any of this baby girl!

I feel for Haleighs family her mother, her father, her brother, her sister, her grandma’s and grandpa’s, her aunts, her uncles, her cousins, her friends, and last her family here at BNN! We love you Haleigh!

well… i don’t know what to say.

i think i need to go sit quietly by myself outdoors somewhere for a while.

i could kick myself a thousand times for letting myself believe this could have turned out any differently.

i owe an apology to Crystal and her family — I had really thought/hoped they’d taken her — I figured that would have at least meant she was alive and well.

such a darling little kid. i still just can’t believe it.

He is lawyered up.

Hello thewoodlanddark…keep your chin up. We’re all devestated…even though we’ve probably known down deep inside that she was gone…we were all hopeful. I just hope she didn’t suffer. So help me, if those creeps abused her and tortured her I’ll just die. I really feel like my heart is going to explode right now. I’m shaking, I can’t stop crying…I’m nauseated….and I want to HURT whoever is responsible for this!

JB said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

Okay, so did they say “ARRESTS” as in plural? Aren’t all the players except for Joe already in jail? So who else? Misty is in trouble and knows it? Because she lied or because she was involved? Good grief! I’m about to lose my mind here! I think I’m going to puke!
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what about Timmy? The wives?

I turned on CNN and just heard JVM, I am sorry, I’m not local but I checked all the sites I usually ie WESH WFTV etc Please direct me to the correct site, I would love to hear LE not more opinions from JVM.

Please.. your input is deeply appreciated.

Vaquera – yeah, and if Lindsey, Timmy and Chelsey are arrested who will look after their kids? Hank and Lisa? Good Grief. This is a tradgedy on SO many levels. So many lives ruined. I just want to know the truth. My mind is racing. Why won’t they just tell us what happened?!?!?!

RIP Sweet Haleigh baby.God received the most beautiful sweet Angel ♥

I am so heartbroken over this.

Just because someone is in jail doesn’t mean they can’t be arrested on charges related to Haleigh. I’m not saying that is the case, although I’ll be surprised if at least a couple aren’t charged that are already in custody. The sheriff did make it sound as though there would be a number of arrests, so Karen you have a pretty good poi list started there.

If it is a homicide then I guess that rules out any accidental overdose. Please tell me this baby wasn’t alive when they dragged her out of the house and that she didn’t suffer. Bless her little heart. The fear she must have felt. ANIMALS!

People are speaking as if LE said yes, they are in custody… did he say that?

The children would in my opinion go to in laws.
The croslins are not going anywhere near those kids and have been told by LE not to have contact per Lindsy. jmo

Anth, HLN showed a clip of Sheriff Hardy so if you hang there they will show it again….they show everything over and over again.

I wonder what items they have recovered. I guess whatever it is it backs up the story Misty/Tommy have told….yellow rope…perhaps tied to a brick or something….part of a bag….bones? Ugh.

katfish said, in April 15th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Anth, HLN showed a clip of Sheriff Hardy so if you hang there they will show it again….they show everything over and over again.

and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over

Fed Up With The Misty Fest said, in April 15th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
I cud see how Tommy wud

Where did you go to school?

Okay… I’m off to find some the vid coverage. My questions are not being answered here!

I thought he was on probation too. I thought that was one his excuses as to why he hightailed it back to Tenn. so fast after Haleigh went missing. He wasn’t supposed to be out of state.

b*a…if you find anything please come back and share.

I saw a pic yesterday of a 10′ x 10′ foot squared off section to search in about knee deep water.. My question is “why would LE even worry about searching there” If you throw a body in , you’d take it to the middle to sink it, in a rowboat bcz obviously it would be found in shallower waters. Secondly even if it was a smaller item like a gun wouldn’t ya think they’d give it a heave-ho to the middle rather than throwing to the first bucket on Bozo’s BigTop. If anyone threw anything in ,they would’ve cleared the last tenth big prize bucket and sunk it in the middle. I hardly doubt anything floated back up from the middle to the edge in knee deep water between the docks. Is that just set aside for doing a quick scim of contents before sending off to be looked through or what? P.s i personally didn’t see misty pointing out to the river .

snippet from FirstCoastNews.

Tips obtained during interviews have led various law enforcement agencies who have been searching for the girl to believe Haleigh is no longer alive, said Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy.

He added no arrests have been made but persons of interest have been identified.

“At this point, I’m going to say I’m comfortable calling it a homicide,” Hardy said during a brief news conference this afternoon.

Mel22 – not sure…didn’t see the 10′ X 10′ pic…but I guess they are being thorough….even if they threw her body out in the middle….and this is going to sound horrid….it would eventually decay and once the skin and muscles were gone, the bones would come apart and could drift to the shore area with currents. Plus, animals would scatter the remains so I guess they would have to check the whole area…..JMO….I obviously don’t know for sure.

I guess they could have also been told of other evidence that may have been dumped with the body that they are looking for. They obviously have found “something”….as they now have evidence found at the scene. Not sure if it was found in that 10′ X 10′ area you are talking about but it was found there somewhere.

cent- I will answer you sweetie….to the best of my knowledge SH didn’t say one way or the other…he just said noone has been arrested in relation to Haleigh yet.

Thanks… KatFish… you saw my frustration..eh? I’m listening now again to the presser… waiting for the bit about cousin Joe!

in the jail tapes , Tommy’s wife talks about throwing out boots, then a week or so later i hear conflicting reports that she called in the tip about the river after the grandmas phone call from Tommy. Now they got everyone out there searching a spot that J.O was known to frequent for fishing. Could one of the items be the pair of boots that she decided to throw out for some reason. She may be the credible tip that tipped of the P.I bcz she realized she herself was starting to cover up things ( and wanted it to finally end it all ) by getting rid of boots that he may have worn the night she went missing. What do you think? ( just speculating )

tobias said,in April 15th, 2010 at 3:50 pm You have joe mixed up with josh Overstret, many did Josh is another cousin and so is Brandon. Different families.jmo

I thought Joe and Brandon were brothers not cousins?

me — why would they deem Haleigh’s case a homicide if they were on a wild goose chase? it seems to me they have apparently found something there for them to announce such a thing.

Mel22…it will be interesting to see who told what and just how many people KNEW and started talking. It is starting to sound like everyone started to crack and talk at the same time. Both Misty and Tommy called the Gmom in TN the same night, minutes apart and started talking. But if we learn that Lindsey and/or Chelsey (or anyone else) KNEW ALL THIS TIME and they waited to 14 months to come clean I hope they are charged!

JB,

I never said Crystal & clan were setting Misty up. I have no idea what is going on. But I do think it’s possible that someone from that side of the family has sent them on a wild goose chase, or maybe Misty or Tommy has. I will wait and see before jumping to conclusions.

Gotta go to work. BBL. Hopefully there will be some good news and Haleigh will be found alive.

On my five pm news they just say LE as a suspect no arrest is made yet, but did confirm Haleigh is most likely dead.

Sadly.. I feel bad for Crystal and her family. As for Ron I feel nothing for him, I have my reasons and my opionions but just like I said before he will have to live with it the rest of his life for all that has happened.

JB, thanks for the info I had no clue they just announced finding “evidence” until you said it. Is it possible Tommy’s wife didn’t know but had a thought that she should probably dump the boots to save her husband in case it went to trial against him? I hear he’s bonding out so maybe he gave up whatever info they needed. But letting him go means they would think he was not present when it happened nor was involved in dumping the body or he’d be sitting there with no bond.

kbrooks – they said “A SUSPECT” as in an individual or plural “SUSPECTS”? I’ve heard it both ways now. I feel bad for Crystal and her family too. I feel bad for some of Ron’s family and I do pity Ron but I can’t say that I feel much more than that for him. I still say he brought all of this on with his choices. If he had stayed away from drugs, hadn’t shacked up with a druggie teenager, his daughter would still be alive.

Are all of you retards from the south?

methinks…take care my friend. Hugs. Hang in there. We’re all dying inside right now and we’re all on edge. But there WILL be justice for Haleigh.

Maybe the boots were thrown away because of the recent incidents and werent worn on the night she went missing but it seems odd she would mention that to his surprise

me – I can’t blame you for holding on to hope that Haleigh is alive….I wish I could too…but sadly I’m coming to the realization she is gone.

I bet this new river search will be wrapped up by tonight or tomorrow and nothing new will be found except evidence that turns out to be nothing important.

Billiejoe andbobbysue, go away. You are empty of heart and soul and you have no place here.

me – at least to me it seems that Misty and Tommy have given some details about what went into the water with Haleigh…and then LE has actually found those items (like perhaps the yellow rope, rope tied to a brick, etc) just like what was described to them in the area that was described to them….and they are surmising, based on that evidence, that Haleigh was indeed murdered. But finding a body, a small body, after 14 months in a river with alligators, turtles, fish, etc., won’t be easy and they may never find her. She was small and could easily been ingested by an alligator….her remains could be ANYWHERE by now.

They can make up anything about how she died and blame it on each other and all of them get away with a jury from “reasonable doubt”. No bones per Sheriff Hardy.

“A statement from the Sheriff’s Office said it was not known if the items were related to the investigation but that they were being forwarded to independent labs for analysis.”

“The sheriff would not name who they suspect, only saying they suspect several people. He did say they have not found bones during the most recent searches, just a few items that could be part of the case.”

so thats just about anybody (as usual)

me said, in April 15th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
TM39,
Why announce they will arrest people?….why not just do it if they’ve got the evidence?

Because they are being bombarded with inquiries.

All talk, no action. Why not charge them now? Guess they don’t have evidence??

They are firming things up moron.

Texasmommy39, When the extra drug trafficking charges were filed against Misty in Putnum Co. she was transported to Putnum County to be charged and then returned to St.Johns where she had been incarcerated. IMO,IF any of those already incarcerated are charged related to Haleigh, they will be officially arrested but at the end of the day it will be the same as if the state just adds the charges. I don’t know how that works as far as where they would be housed, just for example it was Misty and Tommy, would they be moved to Putnum if they faced more serious charges their than St. Johns? Anybody familiar with how that would be done?

Here it is said,in April 15th, 2010 at 4:45 pm All talk, no action. Why not charge them now? Guess they don’t have evidence??

They are firming things up moron.
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Are you psychic, moron? Or just making things up?

tobias said,in April 15th, 2010 at 4:46 pm The evidence found proves the story being told and who knows yet if they found bone shards or anything like that yet?
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What evidence have they found and what is your source? I thought they weren’t sure if they found anything relevant. Do you have some inside info or something?

And you don’t believe them when they say they’ve found no bones? Why not?

bj and bs, I am retired and from the south.

Anth, I haven’t heard the pressor all the way through yet…buffer buffer…then i get frustrated and come back here…then my browser crashes…argh! From what I have seen of it I agree I have never seen SH so candid or emotional. he looks like he has been up for 3 days. I’ll go try again. 😉

Because they arent going to tell you something they dont know yet. The evidence has gone to a lab.jmo

M CENT 15….Can you provide us with some humor here? come on sista” Give us the NG imitation or somethin! Help a sista’ out here! LOL

I took note with interest that when SH said he wanted to be clear, there have been no plea deals and then added that I know of. The prosecuter would be the deal maker.hmmm

I say they toss Misty in the creek (with shackles on) and tell her to go retrieve the evidence she and Tommy threw in….but don’t forget to replace her socks and sandals with some lead booties first!

JB, i THOUGHT THE SME THING WHEN mISTY WAS ON THE DOCK. tHAT GUY HAD TO HAVE NERVES OF STEEL BECAUSE i WOULD HAVE BROKE AND DRAGGED HER IN THE WATER IF SHE WASNT GONNA TALK. sORRY FOR THE CAPS. JMO

M cent 15, thats okay…Stay strong sista’ this is very hard for all of us. I still luv ya!

JB, I like your thinking!

HLN has Mike Galannos covering the case now too.

JB…

JB, In reply to…

” Fed Up…it would appear, at least to me…that Misty WAS at least partially the key…that she has known all along what happened and if she is now “in trouble”
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JB,

I guess if you believe the story that Tommy has just come up with ..then yes, i cud see how you wud feel that way…

I acknowledge that misty has corroborated it, but I personally dont buy Tommy’s new story at all..I think that Tommy st al… (PI’s and lawyers) concocted a scenario… and I believe Misty has jumped on board to corroborate Tommys account only to save her life.. LE wudnt believe her from the start so what does she have to lose?? She has everything to gain….
By himself.. Tommy wudnt be able to sell the story, so needed Misty to come on board. 2 heads are better than one, especially when Misty has already cast suspicion on Joe from the start.

I actually believe that this scenario was posed to Misty in the recent days where she signed on and corroborated this story..(thru her lawyer and PI’s)

I think what will happen in the near future is that Misty will be interrogated again and again where she may later admit that this is a hoax and she was asleep and had no idea what happened to Haleigh just like she has been saying form the start… so i do see it as progress…

I wud also like to see the visitors list for Misty and Tommy in the last 2 weeks.. I bet there wud be alot of duel visitations…!

JB–Thanks for the information.

In my opinion, there is someone on all sides that have acted out of the ordinary. No one on any side grew up enough AFTER Haleigh went missing, to be above suspicion. There have been drug arrests and drug taking on all sides. There have been lies told and threats made. There have been “false” alibis and false allegations thrown around. NO ONE stood up for our beloved Haleigh! No one thought it important enough to tell the truth since DAY ONE, and NO ONE decided to change because a part of them–Haleigh–was “gone”. This child is “gone” because she was never put FIRST in any of their lives, like she should have been! Shame on every last one of them!

I have listened to the press conference several times now, and certainly do NOT want to sound argumentative, however, what I am hearing SH say is “it is unknown at this time if any of the items retrieved from the river will provide evidencential in HaLeigh’s case” I do not at any point hear him state they have actual evidence that was found at the current site during the past 3 days that is known to be associated with the investigation of little Haleigh. Rather all of the items retrieved have been sent off to various labs for furthur investigation. So I guess I am confused about the posts where you are talking about the evidence taken from the river relative to HaLeigh’s disapperance and whom it may implicate. Please enlighten me, I must have missed something….

FYI, persons on probation can travel out of state as long as they get permission from their PO prior to leaving. They would have to indicate date of departure, where they are going, and date of return.

They won’t say whether or not it’s related until it has been prossessed. They just wouldn’t do that. it makes no sense.

Does anyone else find it curious that this search got under way right after the search of the Memorial bridge? That was strange to say the least, they said it was about a murder that happened way over by the ocean.jmo

It makes sense that LE does NOT have to tell the public anything regarding evidence… especially when they have NOT charged anyone yet!

It was an example.

omg..it was an EXAMPLE! lollll

OJ @ 5:20
Thank you! I was going to ask you myself but didn’t dare in case you felt imposed upon!
Really appreciate it, though!

They don’t even get to bury her. But, they can hold a memorial. Just so sad.

Hugs to Haleigh and the family who loved her.

Well, in a very significant way, we are not “back at the Mondex,” so at least we can expect more to happen and some story to come from LE, not just from the media speculation.

But still, so little actually answered. It will be fascinating to see what evidence supports changing the investigation to a homicide.

Mel, is there a small town in North East Florida that begins with the word ‘San’, or ‘Santa’?

Happy Birthday, Chloe! Marie Griffis was carrying Chloe when the family was called in to the PCSO, wasn’t she? Soooooooooooo cute. Please take good care of this child!!!! And Butterbean and the rest, of course.

Beautiful, that’s just too much (Chloe’s birthday). They’ll have to be careful not to feel depressed as her birthday rolls around every year.

Then again, focusing on Chloes birthday in years to come may help in some way.

Do those of you veterans on this forum expect a new post from Simon/Jan/TJ soon?

Thanks, Mel. We’ll know soon enough.

Yes, Kate; I think they will IF emotionally up to it.

There’s Saint Augustine but have no clue how anyone would add that to their reporting bcz after listening to the press release I never heard the sheriff say that.

Beautiful, he’s comfortable, and has made progress by gaining weight and increased strength. Still not back to normal (what used to be, anyhow), but definately much more comfortable and usually pain free. The pressure sore stayed the same through most of March and is now very slowly growing new skin. It is steady progress and no back-sliding so we are VERY pleased!

THANK – YOU for asking, Beautiful (and you are)!

gee, noone’s around… must be watching HLN and Nancy’s face!

Satsuma is located in Northeast Florida. it’s not the border but in the NE area of Florida.

Hope you all are watching JVM.

I can’t explain why, but I have to either mute the TV or change channels every time clips of Tenn. Gma are shown.

Hey…Just woke up a few minutes ago (Overnight last night) and got the sad news from AnneinTN….I was surprised there wasn’t a new article myself…

How’s everybody holding up?

She was SOLD and not murdered. Watch–they won’t find a body.
She was sold over a debt. I’m telling you this: if Cousin Joe was asked about a man named David Knoxx he would more then likely break out in a sweat and get very nervous.
If any of you have the means to have this name put forth to Cousin Joe, then by all means do so. I’m genuinely shamanistic and can tell you that Haleigh Cummings is not on the other side.
Believe or disbelieve, your option.

Jason said,in April 15th, 2010 at 5:56 pm Mel, is there a small town in North East Florida that begins with the word ‘San’, or ‘Santa’?
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Sanford?

Don’t know about everyone else but I cried today watching Sherriff Hardy. It seemed like he was about to at any moment. This is so freaking sad

Shaman, none of us bloggers have the means to ask Joe anything. So please tell us who Knoxx is?

Cath, this shaman has posted this stuff before and keeps posting it with no proof who this person is so it must be a troll.jmo

He more than likely got permission… otherwise he could still be violated for the vacation.

Shaman;

Let me tell you somethying that has been bothering me for awhile…

AFter you gave that information last time about TX…I did what I was doing the other night for indochai and I found that name associated with a specific high scholl as in past student….so ….I joined up with Hollys Gmom as my name and put that I too went to that school….in TX, if not mistaken.

So then the next day someone from classmates starts looking back at me and have repeatedly ever since…..

Now, I ‘m not saying it means anything, just thought it odd and wanted to share it finally.

WHat do you think?

On JVM tonight she played a tape of Grandma Hollis speaking in her living room. GH said that Tommy called her brokedown and admitted Joe killed Haleigh, she called Misty and she confirmed it.

What got me was she continued, I’m the reason they are searching down at that river I’m the one that gave em the lead…I called the sheriff, I called crimestoppers, I called them all. The thought crossed my mind…is there still a $30,000+ reward for leads to Haleigh?

JVM asked Levi Page what he thought of the cousin Joe accusation. He said Misty and Tommy are liars, Joe is being used as a red herring,it’s a bunch of bull.

JVM then asked Art Harris his thoughts. He said…er um…I did break that story on AH.com. AWKWARD! I would think it funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Cathartic, that would be the sure fire way to get him locked up.

KatFish… I’m not feeling good about Granny Flo, at all!! I believe they said those things, cause it would be easy to check on. But never-the-less, I’m not liking her.

NG says their sources say that LE knows what the weapon used is!!

Yeah, they are saying it was a rope.

I recall SH as saying Haleigh died in the area, but he didn’t specifically say she died in the water.

Right…she was put into the water AFTER she was murdered/died.

HollysGmom said,in April 15th, 2010 at 7:20 pm Right…she was put into the water AFTER she was murdered/died.
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That’s not what Granny just said.

This is not normal family, no way, no how.

If I suspected my grandson of doing something so horrible, I would not cover for him for a minute. But, I would not be going on gossip shows like JVM and NG to talk about family members either.

Wars are fought in that family all the time, and have been for a very long time, I suspect. And I don’t see one member of that family that I feel would not sacrifice another family member for money or other personal gain.

Just sayin’

k, WTF, she just listens and never asks Misty or Joe a friggin’ question?????

I think they asked her to tape it there for camera, so she & pic of Misty in same shot? Just a thought…but the tape thing is Fuuunny.
My mom was spray paint!! LOL!

Well her story is already inconsistent. She said on JVM Tommy told her first and on NG she just said “Niecy” was the 1st to tell her about Joe and Tommy. If that is true when Tommy called why did she say, you’re not going to tell me what I think are you…that Joe did it?

What did NG mean by they haven’t found her “entire” body? I didn’t think they had found anything.

Was just watching crazy lady NG, I really cant stand her but apparently they know what the murder weapon is and now are looking for it and Haleigh body. I would imagine anything would be left other then maybe the clothes. Does anyone know for sure if this is true? I cant believe half the crap coming out of that woman’s mouth and she just gets on my nervous I cant watch it any more. It just upsets me alot.

At presser Hardy said they had collected a lot of stuff right down to some alligator toenails. They are taking everything they can find to have it analyzed. They are looking for even the smallest of bones.

SOrry…not trying to offend, but if this is now a homocide investigation…we can talk forensically.

The anthropological team MUST have identified some of the evidence as being human remains and they are DNA testing to be sure. The switch to homicide inves means they are realtively sure they have PROOF.

THose anthros on scene MUST have been certain..

ProfilerPatB Unless Joe Overstreet were to confess to murder, there is nothing to link him to the crime except two people who… http://bit.ly/axBrKz

OMG! Now they are saying Haleigh WASN’T dead when they put her in the water? PLEASE tell me thaat isn’t true.

HGM- Does Pat B still have the noose around Ron’s neck? Her theory that Haleigh Od’d before Ron left for work could be a plausible theory as far as explaining Ron’s behavior after but, for some reason that scenerio doesn’t sit right in my mind.

IMO Ron’s behavior was squirrelly because of drugs because he was that kind of guy and drugs and shock.

I think I am going to be sick, cry and be angry all at the same time! If it’s true what Grandma is saying on NG then they should all be put to death. Give me a gun, I’ll be happy to be on the firing squad.

OMG now GH has taken Misty out of the equation.

JB- The way I understood Gh was she didn’t know if Haleigh was alive when she went in the water…because she didn’t ask.grrr

To Holly’s Gmom: is your hometown listed as Satsuma on your Classmates profile? I was doing some looking myself online concerning that name–however, all of the people finder sites are usually filled with old info on the person.. so it was pretty fruitless searching.
Did you message this David Knoxx? The only thing I have any doubt on concerning this name is it might only be Knox and not Knoxx.
And, what exactly does the site say when it alerts you to someone “looking at you”?
Let me know when you can.

As for me being a troll? I like trolling for child abducters but as far as making claims I knew to be false to get my kicks? Never had the conscience for that. That would be sick.
Oh, one more thing: if any of you doubt that I AM a shaman, I can give you my name in private. You can take this info to a psychic that you yourselves deem credible (I know, big laugh there!) and have them center on me.
If they are real, they can center on me through my name and get the truth.
I HAVE asked spirits about her (and not evil souls, no truth there).. kept hearing she’s not there. Strange to normal people I know. But you do what you can with what you’ve got, correct?

Shaman are you pagan or wiccan?

KAREN said,in April 15th, 2010 at 7:28 pm you said, “Oh ok, I see, she was told all these stories after she broke down Tommy on the phone. Nix on locking her up then. I wonder why SH would lie about the tip not coming from Tenn.? Or is FH lying?
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Remember, Steve Brown said in a local interview last night he is the one that provided the tip/lead that sent LE to the river? I have no idea what is true.

HollysGmom said,in April 15th, 2010 at 7:45 pm Profiler Pat Brown tweeting away….
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Pat Brown should turn in a resignation. The tweets are ludicrious. Like Tommy and Joe are gonna do life/get the DP for RC. Yeeeeeaaaaah, riiiiiiiiiiight. I don’t think either of them are “in love” w/ RC.

GH called Steve Brown and told him. I suppose he had been contacting her, and she trusted him. Art Harris said Chelsea called LE and told them more about where to look for Haleigh’s body. She probably knew Granny had spilled the beans.

I wish I could give GH the benefit of the doubt, but I can’t. I don’t trust her… and if LE doesn’t want them talking, why is she making the rounds? It’s one thing to come clean with what you know, but do you need to do the circuit. And on top of it your stories change. First it was her wearing the HaLeigh shirts, now it’s her daughter?

And before anyone tries to toss my words back at me, I know what I said about Art dropping the dime. But he is NOT their grandfather!

Jason said,in April 15th, 2010 at 5:56 pm Mel, is there a small town in North East Florida that begins with the word ‘San’, or ‘Santa’?

San Mateo, Fl runs into Satsuma.

BA, would that daughter be Joes mother. HGM how many daughters does GH have? I thought it was Lisa and vicky. Am I wrong?jmo

gmomof4, Thank-you. San Mateo. Do you know whether that is the town where Misty retrieved drugs from a house, for the UC officer?

Four people – wonder if one is Timmy.

I don’t know if we can trust her stories, because she seems kind of confused. She is a talker, and it will be awhile before we see the last of her. I do think Lyndsay and Chelseas was getting sick of all of this, too. Lyndsay kept pushing at Tommy to take the LDT. He might not have taken it, if she hadn’t insisted.

Buddy, thanks for the name of one of the towns (Sanford).

The dock is closer to walatka than to san mateo. its off 309 on your way out of satsuma going towards walatka.jmo

Timmy’s not the loose cannon that Tommy is though is he ?Doeas Timmy have a prior rap sheet or known to commit B&E’s and play with guns like a cowboy gangster?

Sorry, Flowerchild. It is now a homicide investigation.

I don’t think Misty will/was protecting Timmy, favorite brother or not, I can’t see her going down for any of them. But what remains, is why in the world was Tommy protesting so much and defending JOE… he was NOT gonna send an innocent man to prison!!!!

well they must have found some kind of remains to actually say it is a homicide right?

i did hear NG something about the entire body maybe not being found

Johnny Sheffield lives in Georgetown.

the dock is .4 of a mile from where Lisa/Hank lived on 130 Magnolia. It’s just through the woods

BA, That was my question too. I have a feeling Joe and Tommy are just the ones who helped Misty. Thats why he said he wasnt going to say Joe killed Haleigh. Or Tommy did it, but according to his last tape he did say he couldnt send Joe to prison for something he didnt do.jmo

My theory is everyone was protecting Misty and they were hoping a SO would be blamed in the beginning. That didnt happen so they all got scared of their involvement and just got deeper and deeper in the lies. jmo

beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
But what remains, is why in the world was Tommy protesting so much and defending JOE… he was NOT gonna send an innocent man to prison!!!!

Maybe Tommy was saying all that in the phone conversation “just for Joe to hear”

If they beleive Tommy was in on it or just helped move the body they would not let him bond out IMO. Hardy said no plea deals were given from what he knew so the question is. Is tommy out on bond or no.. That would answer some questions.. did he make the 1500 dollar 10% payment to get free yet. Will they even allow bond on ALL charges?

my big ? is the why would they kill haliegh,does anyone believe she might have been killed to keep her quiet about something,maybe she was going to tell ron that misty was having sex in the house,and that is what junior heard,maybe she loved her daddy that much that she would tell on misty

flowerchild said,in April 15th, 2010 at 8:51 pm my big ? is the why would they kill haliegh,does anyone believe she might have been killed to keep her quiet about something,maybe she was going to tell ron that misty was having sex in the house,and that is what junior heard,maybe she loved her daddy that much that she would tell on misty
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No, if Tommy or Joe killed her it was because they molested her, there would be no other reason to kill her. I don’t think Joe or tommy would cover for Misty if she had killed her, no way,no how.

Who knows if its really 4 ppl. I only mentioned what was posted above me earlier by someone else but the news said ‘several’..

Thanks Katfish. I hadn’t read the comment that said four. Hmm.

sorry karon mispelled ur name forgive

I thinks the accusations that she was plunged in alive or killed at the dock are just Nncys infatuation with villifying these ppl. Personally , I think it was an accidental Od on Oxycontin and all were involved equally in the coverup. I also hear Oxycontin makes you super aware but am not sure if its an upper or downer so I wiould more likely beleive she picked them off a counter rather than trying to force her to sleep with pills that make you aware and up… Pls correct me iof I am wroing bcz I ve never taken oxycotin but if it makes you aware wouldn’t that be an upper not a downer. Stimulant rather than depressant. I could well be wrong but weightlifters have told me they can lift unreal amounts of weight on Oxycontin..I’ll go to wikipedia npow but add some info to clarify if anyone knows.

Mel 22 I think HGM (or someone) found that Tommy’s bond was still revoked from his September arrest. That bond was revoked when he was arrested for drug trafficking while out on bond. He also got some more B&E charges too didn’t he? Courtesy of sissy Misty when she first went to jail.

Good night !(for now anyway) I need to file my state taxes online. I already calculated them when i did my federal but I owe the state so I will hit “send” at 11:55 pm. LOL jk I’m going to do it now. with my luck i would fall asleep.

Wow 11:55 talk about making then feds wait 4 their money. They deserve to wait with all the money they throw out to fraudulent corporations. Goodnight everyone ..my eyes r tired and i’m too slow of a typer to keep up with the thread any longer. Bye.

Flowerchild:

Apparently something really bad went down here. I can’t give any of them a break, here.

The vilification of Misty is criminal!! NG is inciting a LYNCH MOB!!
LE bungled the initial investigation so now they are FRAMING Misty!
SHAME ON LE for making a scapegoat of Misty!

Tobias said: And he [Timmy]was very forth coming with money for phones and canteen.

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Too generous, IMO. I heard NO complaints from him about his pain in * brother and sister getting in trouble and wanting money from him.

Maybe I am mistaken – maybe Timmy did complain about the cost, if just a little bit.

They called him every day, didn’t they?

Anyone hear him complain a little, just a little, about the COST?

oxycotin works diffently on people it makes some people want to sleep others get wired.I used to take it.

Jason:

He would tell them he was out of money, at times.

Flowerchild
it was on newsjacks4 whatever that news station in fl. is

I didn’t see Timmy as being free with his money… he had a whine about him, that a lot of folks have when they don’t really want to cough up. I will be super-duper shocked if he is involved!

@flowerchild I watched but I wasnt watching closely enough, but it sounded like after the grandma talked about that, then nancy went on to reiterate a few times about being alive just b4 putting her in. I think the cinder block and twine ,if true , would have been used to sink a DEAD body not a LIVE or just killed body. Either way they shouls all face charges for not going forward earlier. Even if they got caught up in it, a person with a conscience would have brpokedown earlier like within a few days but 14 months is like WOW. I can picture a young 17 year old girl being coaxed into going along with a coverup of an OD beyonf her will. her lack of consciuence after the first few days will get her the maximum.

There is a photo I first viewed of one of the Croslins last year, and my immediate impression of it was that the man in it was feeling SEDUCTIVE.

I just took another look at it, and feel the same.

Because I don’t yet know who was involved in the murder of Haleigh, I won’t provide a link to it, as I can’t say for certain that my perception is accurate.

But, if I find out this person was involved, I will point it out.

Jason… you know better… curiosity is peeked and I’m kinda in guessing mode!

Beautiful, thanks for your take on Timmy’s ‘generosity’, or lack of. Whining seems normal for a person who isn’t spending hush money.

KAREN said,in April 15th, 2010 at 9:22 pm I don’t see her chewing up oxycontin, it would be a taste worse than chewing up an asprin. How many kids do you know that wouldn’t spit that right out? If that happaned it would have been easier to say that she must have gotten ahold of one of old Hank Srs. pills, he did have a script for them.
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I agree. If it was an accidental overdose on a prescription med, there would be no good reason for them not to call police.

Thanks for that heads up beautiful”adams

Beautiful – YES, shirtless, relaxed, dreamy eyes (or stoned?). What is your impression?

If no physical evidence was found, it seems to me we are back at square one. I wish PCSO were better investigators and were able to gather evidence rather than relying on the stories of drug users and hoping junkies will solve their case for them.

I wish they’d send some properly trained homicide investigators down to PCSO to replace this mob. If this search was another wild goose chase because they are getting their “information” from junkies, it really is time for them to be replaced.

I hate to say this,but i felt haliegh had died that very same night when the 911 call was made i never believed she was taken from the house by a unknown person,and with no tips are even one sighting of haliegh,it was like she disappeared off the face of the earth,i am really sorry that innocent children have to die for selfish reasons

whether by foced sleep or picking off the counter , the reason for not calling is bcz they “ran a prescription drug ring”…how would they explain that… that was their motivation for trying to take care of it themselves and found out they couldn’t… so they paniced and started the coverup once she passed , all at the same time with each other in real-time and getting out of hand to the point of dumping the body then coming back to brick the door. ( all speculation of course)

Absolutely! THey couldn’t explain away such a highly scheduled drug without everything tumbling out…so PCSO took another direction. They caught the drugs to lead back to the murder/OD.

or dirt in the treads of the blue van matching dirt from the river scene.. ok now i’m out…maybe… cant make up my mind

Jason said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

Beautiful – YES, shirtless, relaxed, dreamy eyes (or stoned?). What is your impression?
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I would lean in the very relaxed end stages of having smoked some good hash/weed/dank/chronic!

This is either going to play out one of two ways.

Either Joe is a monster and got so punked out by Ronald Cummings a few days before and this was was a revenge killing. By why did no one hear her scream if that was the case?

Or an accident and coverup.

We shall see.

Do ppl really call it dank!!! LOL i never heard that one b4.. thats hilarious.. I can’t picture anyone sittin back and saying, Man this is some good dank ! hahahaha

anyone notice part of what grandma said was cut?
Her comment was silenced at one point, her lips were moving but no sound. Typical NG lopsided reporting imho

Scratch that. It may or may not be true. But it is my first impression of that photo.

Jason… I would venture and say it looks like a coming down gaze… very comfy/relaxed/satisfied.

It looks like he is in the group wedding photo, which I had never noticed before, and Lisa sure looked different then… wow!

First Coast News says

Family told about Haleigh’s deceased on Tuesday

MY MONEY IS Misty and RON are guilty of murder.

I still say the only reason Misty lies for 14 months is to save herself and RON. She loves RON. She got a tattoo for RON. Misty told her mother how her and Ron where getting back together and that LE screwed it up and how she still loves RON. One does not keep quiet for 14 months because your afraid of your crazy cousin Joe…….Misty tried to cough out all these lies to pass a polygraph and she always failed. I say we have no clue what the real story is or what the real time line is… I said from day one Ron is culpable. You wake up to a door propped open you call someone… you are frozen in fear. Misty never talked about feelings or fear. Misty waited until Ron came home to call 911. Ron said during the 911: “Why did ya let my kid get stolen bitach……” My gut says Misty, Ron, Tommy are responsible. Joe I think is an easy pastys’… maybe Joe did search the house and left and maybe Tommy came back to help Misty cover it up. My money has always been on MISTY killed HaLeigh. To convenient to blame Joe 14 months later…. makes no sense that JOE does not blame them. PS RON’s mom has always stood up for Misty and said nice words… this has always made me think Ron is involved and they need to keep Misty HAPPY. Ron and his mother both back and support Misty no matter how many times she changes her story or fails a polygraph.
RON REEKS OF GUILT in my opinion.

MY MONEY IS Misty and RON are guilty of murder.

yes, is the brick find ” confirmed” or just being thrown around on other forums bcz i mentioned something yesterday about a brick and twine then suddenly ppl are saying it was a yellow rope. Where do they get that its yellow from.. I havnt been on here in six months and feel I missed something. Is any of this ” confirmed” info or just speculation?

well if my memory serves me correctly on alligators,if haliegh was thrown in the river with a cinder block tied to her and she sanked i don’t believe a gator can open it’s mouth under water,they usually take live prey on top of the water and do the death roll to drown the victim then eat the body on top of the water,tearing it then gluping down the victim,i could be wrong

ok i cant even type anymore..my eyes r going crazy.. see y’all tomorrow

I would like to know WHY the fake search? If Haleigh has passed? Opinions anyone.

They are searching in this particular spot because one of them (probably Tommy) told them – this is where she is.

What is fake about that?

Where are all the Crystal did it and Misty is innocent idiots?

Tell Timothy Holmseth he is the biggest idiot of them all. He is ruined. Not that he ever was anything, but he is ruined.

BB12-You are spot on my friend.

So much for that fruitcake Granny and Tommy’s BOMBSHELL CONFESSION.

Are we to believe that they are looking for a knife and per Granny (cinder block and rope which she is getting from the threads) BUT TOMMY AND MISTY HAVEN’T TOLD WHERE THE BODY IS?

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Sheriff: Haleigh likely dead and buried
Posted: April 15, 2010 – 4:55pm

SATSUMA — A sheriff says a 5-year-old girl who disappeared more
than a year ago is likely dead and that her body is somewhere in northeast Florida.

Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said Thursday at a news conference that detectives have identified persons of interest in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings. It was the first time the sheriff has suggested that Haleigh was dead.

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-0…

fine..tommy did it..but misty had no knowledge and was asleep/passed out when haleigh went missing.

what details does she know? recite them please..

Misty has alwasy been the key to this case, now the door is going to open. And soon that heavy prison door will put these animals where they belong.
If anyone has doubts about Mistys Grandma spilling this story, they have all calls on tape.
RIP Haleigh

Kept her mouth shut all this time….guilty…and Misty couldn’t lie that well….Pffft!

THey might have used that location due to fore-knolwde of gator in residence. Just possible, not confirmed

In trying to digest all I’ve heard tonight. I think Misty and Tommy are pointing the finger at Joe as a type of revenge killing.

And they didn’t stop him.

Why?

I could by into Misty accidently hitting her and the two young men covering it up. But to tie rope and a block on a little girl and to toss her alive into the river is so abnornal I can’t wrap my mind around it. But this seems to be what they are implying.

grandma saying something doesn’t make it true. LE has recorded every telephone call and photocopied ever letter written or received by misty and her posse..random thought, don’t believe something just because someone said it.. I bet you voted for bush didn’t you?

Cent:

Sorry, I was dozing. No I don’t think Eyes has examined any of GF’s tapes.

Wth? You are letting your emotions get the best of you because you are so on ‘team Misty.’

Listen I didn’t want any of these kids to be involved but the chips are falling where they may and they are falling hard.

Step away from the computer because you can’t handle the truth.Lol

And I would never vote for someone who creates words out of thin air like “misunderestimate.” That is one of my all-time fav bushism.Lol

Maybe the comment by SH that “Misty knows she’s in trouble” meant…she finally realizes how much trouble she is in for the drug charges (and so decided to talk about Haleigh, hoping for a deal).

I’m positive someone on here said that LE was at TC’s mobile home looking for yellow rope. I don’t know how they knew that though.

But I read that last night.

Hardy also said No deals were made….

An on scene reporter described a length of rope with cinder blocks found there.
Not in official article

news said a cinder block was found in the river by the divers.that could mean nothing.

Maybe they can look at the other cinder block they took as evidence(the one the door was propped with) and see if they are possibly from the same lot. It’s possible the saw blade that was used to cut them left identical markings.

That would be huge.

HollysGmom said,in April 15th, 2010 at 11:24 pm An on scene reporter described a length of rope with cinder blocks found there.
Not in official article
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Link please. Anyone can say anything and tweet about anything.

Has anyone heard if there was any truth to the rumor that I read at Marinade Dave’s website where someone posted that during the interview with the guy who first said he solved the case also stated that Haleigh had originally been moved to one place and then her body recently moved to water? I read that but can’t find the post again.

Misty may have given the kids something to make them sleep, so she could leave them alone, or because she felt so bad that night. She tried to get someone to keep the kids and they wouldn’t.

Misty kept saying she had the kids 24/7, and I thought, yes, Ron has dumped them on her and going about his own business. She resented that, and she was so young.

She may have not meant for the situation to go bad. That does not excuse all of this, but it may be the fact. Enter the crazy cousin Joe into the picture and tragedy happened. The one I can’t quite figure out being part of the actual death is Tommy. I can see Tommy trying to help Misty. He was crazy about Misty. I have trouble seeing him standing there while Joe killed Haleigh, somehow. This is just my opinion.

HERE IS A THOUGHT

LE is making Misty-Tommy believe that LE believes the whole “JOE STORY”… to get Misty-Tommy to confess to their part and put THEMSELVES at the crime scene. Misty-Tommy think they are pinny this on Joe when in fact they are putting a nail in their own coffin. After LE gets Misty-Tommy to place their bodies at the crime scene they will go after MORE… then eventually Tommy will break and RON will go down with Misty.

When LE matches the rope to Tommy’s… They clear JOE… piece by piece this will break.

RON n MISTY are guilty in my opinion.

I base this off of Ron behavior from the 911 call to now and how his mother has stuck by Misty. etc…

Can someone refresh my memory as to why RC put a rat in the Croslins mailbox? I read that a neighbor saw him doing it late at night.

What was the purpose of that?

I can see Ron not caring about Misty’s affairs with other men. So many others in that area seemed to know what Misty was and I can’t see Ron not knowing. So IMO it didn’t bother him the way it would bother most men.

I cannot see Ron willfully hurting Haleigh. That is something I just cannot grasp. This case is disgusting and unbelievable as it is, and at this point not much would shock me anymore…except that. Ron being directly involved in Haleigh’s demise would be a shocker (for me, that is).

Same with me cathartic.

Nothing left to shock me with except the Father having some sort of knowledge and not telling either or being directly involved.

Ron’s behavior has been off. LE may still be trying to fiGure his part in all of this out.

They may be looking for Cousin Joe’s shirt. He may have taken his contaminated shirt off and threw it in the water or buried it at the site. I read that Joe didn’t have his shirt on the next morning. There had to be some contaminated clothing, in this deal. The blanket may have been found, also.

NG is reporting that LE knows what the murder weapon was, and they are looking for it.

Karon said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:06 am

Ron’s behavior has been off. LE may still be trying to fiGure his part in all of this out.

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Ron and Misty are responsible for HaLeigh DEATH-Murder. IMO

Most likely it was Ron’s drugs that killed HaLeigh on Misty’s watch. OR Misty was so high on the drugs Ron supplied. OR Ron killed HaLeigh and Misty stood by…HaLeigh was dead prior to Ron going to work IMO… does not matter. My gut says Ron and Misty are responsible for HaLeigh Death.

Ron behavior from the 911 call – I will murder who did this…to not even searching for his daughter, to never confronting anyone… to the tattoo of HaLeigh, to the marriage, all when HaLeigh was suppose to be MISSING not dead and memorialized. Ron’s mother being 100% supportive and kind to Misty even though Misty has lied, and lied, and lied and failed polygraph after polygraph and is clearly on DRUGS. Yet- she is supportive and allows Misty to care for JR. Ron and his mother still allow Misty to care for JR?? wtf ??

Ron spend his days dealing drugs and his nights getting high not looking or searching for HaLeigh. Dating a stripper while playing Misty. Ron kept Misty real high this entire time. Even after Misty started saying she thought it was JOE (day 9)- RON did nothing. No confronting- Nothing. Kept his mouth shut.

This is why RON REEKS OF GUILT.

Crazy said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:04 am

However, the anchor lady at end of NewsJax4 clip say they are matching evidence found against Haleigh’s DNA for a match…she did not state what the evidence was though….could be rope, fabric, bones, unknow at this time.
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Who is her source?
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ART HARRIS = pppffffttttt

I kid you not…. he just makes this sheet up from common sense… kinda like LP….
Gets his broke behind on tv.

B12-CHris

Good points! Especially not trying to confront JO. AFter all his ravings…

Letter Misty wrote to her relatives
Accurate transcript (yes Misty dropped out of school in the 6th grade)

I feel so bad about this sh8t you know cause I didn’t say it. I was scare no one now what he said he would do you know that day when he would not go back to the house and he stayed at the story he put me up with a knife and said if I said he would come back and kill me. He told me at the house he would kill me to so I didn’t know what to do. He has a (illegible) raped me you know. I knew Tommy was coming to get the gun but I didn’t know it was gone and that is when Joe got mad. Tom had walked out and that is when Joe took it. You know I don’t know where Tommy went. I don’t think he did sh8t but I know he now. Joe did they was so fu**ed up and I mean I don’t know how Joe even drove home. That is why the van has scratch on (illegible) he was so fu**ed up bad. That is all for now. I just wish I knew what he did.
Timmy and Chelsea please right me back as soon as you get this.

I have had it posted for 2 days.

Good LUCK

BB12-CHris…it was ALSO on the Jax4 news clip I linked earlier.

HollysGmom said,in April 16th, 2010 at 12:07 am Possible but Hardy did say in this afternoon’s presser that things were sent to be analyzed and anthropology lab had evidence to check.

Anthropology= Bones (skeletal remains)
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Anthropology = was there the first day -in case- has already been reported in an article.

No where has it been reported that Anthropology has collected bones to be analyzed. Reports are no bones collected, just other evidence to be analyzed.

SH said they were there on the scene and ruled out no bones and the anthropology helped them on the scenes with things like “toenails”. Probably animal bones too.

Karon said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:18 am

B-12:

Why didn’t Ron follow Joe home? I know I would have been camping on his doorsteps, until I found her.
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Because Ron and Misty are guilty and Joe is an innocent patsy. IMO

Ron has a life time history of being violent. Even sticking a dead headless RAT in a mailbox, beating his GF, spanking kids etc. yelling at 911, YET- Ron never once accused ANYONE of HaLeigh Disappearance. NO ONE.

So you’re thinking these professional anthros don’t know what they’re looking at or LE doesn’t want to say until sure?

I’m thinking the latter. FIrst they said no evidence found, now evidence found but not bones, tomorrow the story will morph…

Trying to read Misty’s letter is like reading a foreign language. I just can’t conceive of why anyone would purposely kill an innocent child. I mean sometimes parents do, and SO’s do. But, why would TC, MC or JO do it? I can only imagine the two scenario’s or three maybe. Misty got angry and just struck out at her, or she was drugged, accidentally or otherwise. Oh, and there was a fight between somebody and she was accidentally killed in the mix. But, to take her to a river and kill her for no reason makes no sense. I think she died and TC and JO just helped dispose of her body.

I think Hardy’s specific mention of Misty is KEY….

Still no JO arrest …..

HollysGmom said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:26 am

BB12-Chris…I could swear she said speaking with officials. I’d hope she wouldn’t qoute AH….could be though…
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KEEP me posted- I CARE

Michelle said,
in April 15th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

Has anyone heard if there was any truth to the rumor that I read at Marinade Dave’s website where someone posted that during the interview with the guy who first said he solved the case also stated that Haleigh had originally been moved to one place and then her body recently moved to water? I read that but can’t find the post again.
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No I haven’t but would love to read it.Can you find it in your history?

All I can say is Joe bothers me. I know he is under alot of stress, but he may have anger management issues. He and Ronald didn’t mix. That is for sure. One thing I can say about GF, she knows her grandchildren. She is laying it on the line about what Joe is like. A grandmother doesn’t do that lightly.

Gotta agree with you BB12, Ron’s behavior has made no sense since day one. I am surprised that NG and so many others don’t find it questionable in the least. I am a people reader and have rarely been wrong, but…his behavior doesn’t click with me. It’s like NG is so gung hoe sure Misty is the culprit…but ok, so why is Haleighs father and GM so supportive of her. No sense.

maryd said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:33 am

Gotta agree with you BB12, Ron’s behavior has made no sense since day one. I am surprised that NG and so many others don’t find it questionable in the least. I am a people reader and have rarely been wrong, but…his behavior doesn’t click with me. It’s like NG is so gung hoe sure Misty is the culprit…but ok, so why is Haleighs father and GM so supportive of her. No sense.
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Nancy Grace etc… wants to KEEP in good with RON and Cindy etc.. for the interviews. RATINGS GOLD having them ON. She can question them and LE gets info for free. NG is faking it she knows Ron n Cindy A. are a sociopath freaks. IMO.

Why would Misty knowing they were coming for a gun not call Ron and tell him? Or why would she open the door for them. Unless she was going to benefit from the sale of this gun drugwise. Misty didn’t work so who provided her with her drugs? Seems she had to do some trade off for them, ie, the group she spent the weekend with…and or Ronald?

Sorry, BB12 but you brought a chuckle to me with that last one. I agree with the catering to interviewee’s. Reminds me of how Greta suddenly took a change of heart about Joran VS’s guilt when he did and interview for her. Yuk how money talks and BS walks.

Maybe she was going to let them steal it because of a drug debt one of them owed and maybe Joe/Tommy was mad cuz he/they got hooked.

Terrible to think about.

As many have said before, I would love to know the phone call history between the night Haleigh vanished and the next several weeks for all of them.

Just what was Misty going to say to Ron regarding the missing gun, had that mission been accomplished. Was he going to believe her, why take that chance? Especially since he allegedly squeezed her into a ball some days earlier! Just saying… why risk getting the squeeze treatment.. again?

I have big problems with the fear factor.

Well BB12 u sure don’t have to convince me. Something I’ve felt all along. From the 911 phone call, through the quirky interviews, to the lack of genuine emotion to the marriage and post convenient divorce when the pressure was on. And let’s not forget the drug trafficking connection. One more thing though, what was with Ron staying in a tent next to the trailer? Was he not allowed to go back in the house? Or was he too guilty to go back in?

I just bought the website “freemisty.com”..
more info to follow.

Oj…You’re always good for a chuckle….THat’s RICH!

Maryd:
It was a crimescene for a little while, then he said he couldn’t go back in there. Some were speculating he was afraid that LE had bugged the house, but I don’t know.

Karon,

I found that odd that he choose to stay in a tent. Why wouldn’t he just go back in the house? It’s not like he knew Haleigh was deceased and it creeped him out. Or did he?

Maryd:
I think you have it. He would give his own life for his child’s life back.

Misty’s slip up on the Today Show and having to admit she was changing her story, but she didn’t know why
Misty refused to answer LE’s questions

KAREN

YOUR A GENIUS!!

LOVE YOUR POSTS!!

LOVE YOU!

Misty wants a picture of Jr, and oh yeah, one of Haleigh, too

Thank you BB-12
Love you, too. We are both down to the point.

PS- I forgot to add the above post is from KARON

I was adding to KARON but the clip did not take place. It is late. I am an idiot.

SORRY KARON

Maryd:
We haven’t started on Ronald yet. His list would look worse than Misty’s

That’s alright, BB-12.

Maryd:
That’s a good point. She may be so afraid RC is going to be caught up in all of this.

Boots,
Grandparents are in a no win situation if they should lose a grandchild at the hands of their own children. Denial may be their only hope. Or suffer a double loss.

Karon,
I know it’s late but…if you want to start the Ronald list it’s ok with me. I probably already have it in my head though. Thx

Could Misty of told Ron that Haleigh overdosed on his drugs instead of what really happened?

Hope:

You could be right about that. For some reason, he was in on the cover-up.

Karon said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 1:44 am
Karon

I think MC, RC, TC and Timmy, JO, and Lyndsay and Chelsea were caught up in keeping this secret and hiding their criminal activities. They were paralyzed. Everybody kept wondering wht Lyndsay kept staying. I think she had to. She was too caught up in hiding this from LE and feared prosecution herself for hindering an investigation. IMO.
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Think your right Karon. Most druggies are used to living lies, but this one has gone beyond their control. Especially if they have been clean for awhile. It seems like one big conspiratory mess. None of them are big on accepting responsibility for their actions. It’s SYOA. Save you own Azz

Hope: That was one of my theories from the beginning, and could very well be what happened. He looked very guilty to me early on, and it could be because he was given fed such a story, and believed it–or couldn’t disprove it.

Or were Tim & Chelsea told the “real Deal” and helped to frame JO?

Or was her “mother’s insitincts’ comments about Misty’s lack of mothering insitincts or how she treated kids/left them alone? Temper issues with Misty?

HGM, I don’t think JO was ever cleared. I don’t think anyone ever was really cleared. LE sometimes says they clear someone, then they revisit them later. Or, they say it to give the suspect a false sense of security.

Do you think Chelsea (or anyone) ever officially said they had good reason to believe…whatever…and no one listened??

Cathartic: Misty might of been afraid if she told Ron the real story that he would harm someone.

Have any of you seen the pics on the cayleedaily site of Misty and cousin Joe hanging up a Haleigh flier? I thought he left the day after it happened. I am just wondering if that pic is real. Has it been posted anywhere else before now?

Karon;

Chelsea said due to her motherly instincts, she felt like she knew who it was….

I was saying that statement could mean more then just JO….If you’re talking about mother’s feelings/insitincts, you could be comparing your to anothers…that’s all I meant…

Other things her statement could have meant besides just JO, which was so obvious.

HGM:

Not G.Hollar. You are kidding me! If she isn’t GHoller, did the real GHoller report all of this to LE? She must have. You mean NG got hoodwinked? I thought that picture looked kind of odd.

OK, HGM, I know what you are saying.

I always want to think people would do the right thing when a crime involves a child…meaning moms like L and C should have gone to LE if they knew or suspected ANYTHING. But then I have to remind myself these people are just not what I consider normal.

cathartic

Not saying Ronald purposely killed Haleigh. But, sometimes a stressed out father fighting with his girlfriend could strike out at a child without intention to do serious harm. A push could accidentally kill a child if they fall wrong. Don’t know if this happened but it is possible. I think Haleigh was already deceased when they put her body in the river. If they did. JMO

cathartic;

I know what you mean…It was even hard for me to go there with Casey. I just didn’t want to believe a mother would do that…but I guess it’s true. There’s too many deaths by abuse to be untrue. I hate that! I want a world where EVERYONE protects and cares for children…not like it is really.

HGM:
I see what you mean. I heard a comment that Chelsea was supposed to have made about Misty losing it with Haleigh.

Hope;

It’s been debated many times and sometimes taken off the table due to non-confirmation of info other than AH.

I think it could have been Timmy & CHelsea since their weeding anniversay was to be 2 days later Feb 11. I suggested maybe they had plans to celebrate on the 9th due to work schedule contrainsts. That would also show why babysitting for them would be so important.

WHat if Misty did babysit for them and something happened there and Haleigh was “dumped” on the way back to Satsuma? SHell Harbour Rd is on the way, either to C CIty or from there to 202 Green lane.

cathartic:

I think I read your theory before and it sounded very plausible. Head injuries can be delayed in their effect. I’ve thought about Misty saying she laid a sheet on Haleigh cause she was washing her blanket. When she later says “she was gone.” I thought the effect in her voice could give that a dual meaning.

I never want to believe anyone killed another person, especially, a child. Drugs rule everything when people are addicts, then throw in other personality disorders, and there is a possibility for disaster. I think when some of these people who do things like that sober up, they have some awful regrets. I don’t think MC or TC are sociopaths, but they have lost control of themselves. Casey A., I believe, is a psychopath.

I agree Karon

HGM you may be on to something

Good question posted to Levi by Wheeliegirl72:

Why aren’t JO & ToC “fingering” RC?

My answer: Do we know for sure they’re not? If they only disposed of, Misty could have told them her fault and they don’t know about RC.

Any arrests in Mass?

Not sure…I’ll link to the closest News twitter to them and let ya’ll know if there is…

Well, I am playing down for the night. We may not know anything for sure until they complete this search. I heard one comment from a prosecutor that LE has to check everything out to show that they didn’t center in on a few people. There will probably be some arrests as soon as this search is over. I am afraid Timmy is going to be one of them, too.

Good night all.

I don’t believe the story about Misty hitting her and then Joe and Tommy dumping Haleigh in the water to help Misty. If that was true both Joe and Tommy would of come clean about that and have full Police support, they would lead Police to the body and the evidence would prove their claims. Especially right now Joe would tell that to get out of trouble. What I find interesting is Tommy accusing Joe but not Misty, then Misty does the same regarding Joe but also implicates Tommy. If Tommy and Misty had a deal to put this on Joe, Misty and Tommy together would stick to their story and not implicate each other in any way. By bringing Tommy in she opens herself to a vindictive reaction by Tommy where he blames her, she also has been attacked by family for saying anything about Tommy, most of all she has personally felt the complete betrayal of her Mother, turning on her siding by Tommy in the abuse charges. Her Mother went public on attack of her and stood by Tommy. For you and I that is nothing but for her it’s profound, especially at her age. Plus she has Lyndsy to deal with, what is Lyndsy going to say and what story is she going to tell all in the name of denial and coping mechanisms? It will be a story but it won’t be about Tommy. I need to know what happened, the changing versions by LE a month ago they stood by their belief Misty left the trailer, will it change again and is this all BS. How long has this pattern of turning on Misty when she speaks about abuse been taking place. Would that pattern impact Misty into silence? What happened there that night. I need to know more. I do know she did not kill this child. What happened at the dock? Why did she not have a lawyer? I find it irresponsible of LE to agree to set it up on those terms. I picked up on the cop in her space and his demeanor and physical behaviour for a reason. The same reason 1 in 12 is going to have when they hear this story. Should Misty say she felt pressured or under threat that one in 12 is going to view that officer the same way I did. I find it baffling Police don’t think ahead enough to see that. I need more before I’m going to believe anything that includes Haleigh being dead, I need evidence.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families

Ok…I linked my twitter to a Boston major news outlet…so if/when TiC or JO are arrested, we will know pretty quickly…

Hope: YW!

BB12-Chris;

Me too….good to be able to discuss without tempers flaring.
(Not even mine…sorry again for snapping at you last night cathartic)

Then once they had him with her remains…they had him. Forensicly, knowledge of location specific to remains, maybe even JO’s DNA at MH due to visiting. Misty did say he wouldn’t even “Go back down there” to get his STUFF. MH and/or ToC’s. So was he really staying with TiC? ToC? Or MC? SO at least he was there at 1 point because he refused to return.

So while JO is hiding Haleigh Misty & ToC come up with a plan to never go down. They would throw JO under the bus for her murder. He knows where she’s at, they really don’t now. He’s probably leaving hair & prints, etc They would try to tie the impliments used back to JO. Misty would claim he threatened her into silence, ToC too. Misty would claim fear due to rape & weapon. (JO DNA on her that night?)

JO returns and they act like everything is fine. Then they have to tell TiC, Lindsy, Chelsea, due to van issue, maybe even knowledge of JO going to Satsuma. Knowledge of ToC being away from home. Eventually they had to bring Sr and LC into it.

Question is which senario and does anyone other than MC, JO, & ToC play a part?

No new tweets….

Wondering what 6am report will be, if anything.

First tweet of the day….

THESKY973DOTCOM Haleigh Update: Homicide

http://easyuri.com/9a5af

Where is LFlorida?

cathartic said,in April 16th, 2010 at 2:08 am OK, HGM, I know what you are saying.

I always want to think people would do the right thing when a crime involves a child…meaning moms like L and C should have gone to LE if they knew or suspected ANYTHING. But then I have to remind myself these people are just not what I consider normal.
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I think the same thing, but not all people are honest or think clearly. Sad but true.

TimeWillTell said,in April 15th, 2010 at 10:31 pm Where are all the Crystal did it and Misty is innocent idiots?

Tell Timothy Holmseth he is the biggest idiot of them all. He is ruined. Not that he ever was anything, but he is ruined.

BB12-You are spot on my friend.
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Probably in the same place as all the RC did it idiots.

BB12-Chris said,in April 16th, 2010 at 12:08 am Karon said,
in April 16th, 2010 at 12:06 am

Ron’s behavior has been off. LE may still be trying to fiGure his part in all of this out.

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Ron and Misty are responsible for HaLeigh DEATH-Murder. IMO

Most likely it was Ron’s drugs that killed HaLeigh on Misty’s watch. OR Misty was so high on the drugs Ron supplied. OR Ron killed HaLeigh and Misty stood by…HaLeigh was dead prior to Ron going to work IMO… does not matter. My gut says Ron and Misty are responsible for HaLeigh Death.

Ron behavior from the 911 call – I will murder who did this…to not even searching for his daughter, to never confronting anyone… to the tattoo of HaLeigh, to the marriage, all when HaLeigh was suppose to be MISSING not dead and memorialized. Ron’s mother being 100% supportive and kind to Misty even though Misty has lied, and lied, and lied and failed polygraph after polygraph and is clearly on DRUGS. Yet- she is supportive and allows Misty to care for JR. Ron and his mother still allow Misty to care for JR?? wtf ??

Ron spend his days dealing drugs and his nights getting high not looking or searching for HaLeigh. Dating a stripper while playing Misty. Ron kept Misty real high this entire time. Even after Misty started saying she thought it was JOE (day 9)- RON did nothing. No confronting- Nothing. Kept his mouth shut.

This is why RON REEKS OF GUILT.
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You obviously have some issues. Levi, is that you?

I do not want Ronald Cummings to be involved in this even by knowledge,but I am still suspicious. It was reported that Ronald said that he and Joe would go down and fish off the dock there at Shell Harbor and commented that Joe liked to take small animals and throw them in and watch the gators feed on them. When it became apparent that the Croslins were pointing at cousin Joe then why didn’t Ronald insist on that area being checked since he knew Joe liked going there and that Joe alledgedly had such a morbid mentality. I would hate to think that while Ronald telling this story standing on that very dock that his beloved daughter was at the bottom of it. Haleigh loved her daddy and I just pray he had no knowledge of her demise. I base this on his unnatural behavior throughout this case. I know people grieve differently, but Ronalds behavior does not even come close to a normal grieveing parent.

Looking;

I agree….Wow…

I think twitter just crashed!…Arrgghhh!!!

HollysGmom said,in April 16th, 2010 at 12:51
SNIP:
nothing that washed down from upstream in 14 months, at least? They would have to test small ones to be sure….
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That river runs “up” not “down”. It flows North up to Jacksonville and is a very slow flowing river. (lazy River)

Hey Holly, Glad to catch up with you today. I ususally check out your post in the morning when I come on.
Holly do you remember on Brians dreams where he scratched that Haleigh was not dead when she was thrown into the water? I do not remember the map of area he scratched at the time. He mentioned 175,000. Did not recieve it something to that affect.

Thanks for the info m2c.
JB, I feel you. I am about livid right now. Haleigh needs the maximum Justice!!

It could take up to six months for investigators to receive test results on the items pulled from the river.

Hardy said if warranted, they would search again.

“Just because we are leaving here doesn’t mean this lead isn’t going to be followed up any further,” Hardy said.

So now I am wondering if Misty didn’t previously know for certain that Tommy and Joe killed Haleigh(if this is true) why didn’t she tell as soon as she found out? Why wait so long, I know she is not going to sit in jail (besides the drug charges) because she loves her family so much that she’d throw away her own life to cover for them. She doesn’t cross me as that compassionate. Tells me there is more to the story- what is this about hitting Haleigh with a piece of wood, did I hear that correctly? So, Misty hit Haleigh beyond a slap and the other two actually threw her in the water to hide the evidence since there would be no explaining that one away. So technically, Misty didn’t murder her, but saw them take care of it. JMO

Both of Haleigh’s parents had/have drug problems. That alone will cause some odd behavior. Couple that w/ the emotional stress of a missing child, you are going to have some strange behavior. Doesn’t mean they killed their child.

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Yes, we can move to the article written just before this one.
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methinks, we all get to a point sometimes that we just have to release it. It is only natural. It seems for every tear you cry the more anger you feel in this kind of situation. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

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It has been a devistating streeful week.An im Sure Simon,an Jan are feeling it also.

Simon,Jan ,Cobra,An TJ worked so hard so long,an others to .Jan So loves children.Im sure that alone effected them also.They may have to take a few,an rest.Jan we already know gets sick fom Children cases such as this with stress .They all worked so very long an hard on this case.

We cant wait to hear from you Simon,an Jan.I hope all is ok with the both of you.

IMO,I took note of Simons comment “Make of this what you will.” and will not again fall hook line and sinker for the same story that has been circulated from day one.
Simon and Jan are waiting for the truth to finally be revealed, before, making known anything that may hinder the investigation that they may unknowingly reveal.
Simon and Jan’s opinions and articles are where the truth is sought. I would expect nothing less under the circumstances that these two families are having to deal with and LE’s task at hand.
I am sure that We will have the news breaking information from Simon and Jan before anyone else!!!!!!!!!!
Jan, I know you are a strong cookie and this nightmare will be soon over. Justice will be served, for HaLeigh.((hugs)))

1000th!!

PCSO spokesman says today “Misty may not be THE KEY but she has key answers”..also Misty was brought to the search site to let her see how big the investigation was, in other words to INTIMIDATE her!
She woke up and haleigh was gone..PERIOD!!

DustyRose–Your 3:01am post was spot on.

Ronald cummings is the one person I am convinced knew nothing about what happened. I heard he “set up” Misty and did the drugs so she would be arrested…hoping he would talk. His mom said she was proud of him, he said he did what he had to do….hoping she would talk now…but not sure if she would. Looking at the pictures of him and Haleigh…his eyes were so lit up….I will never believe he had any part in it….I believe it’s good he is locked up….or three of the “Croslin crew” would be severly injured…if not dead. My heart and prayers go out to him, and his mom. I honestly believe those two would have given their lives to save her.