Where is everyone?

Will Ron be allowed to go to Haleigh’s funeral?

I think we have known from the beginning that Haleigh had died just as we know Madeleine Mccann is dead.Kate Mccann rang her long time friend on the night of the 3rd May, telling of broken shutters. This was a lie, one of many.

Tim Miller had a hard job on his hands dealing with pathalogical liars is not easy.

i hope he does i believe he is innocent is he perfect no but he did not do this to haleigh

Native Alien
Thanks for the info.

Hey ky mom….I think everyone is waiting for an announcement that arrests have been made.

I was just reading the transcript from NG’s show last night…… the key points I found are that Tommy went by around 6:00 pm to smoke a joint with Misty the night Haleigh disappeared, that Tommy had two kinds of rope in the van and both were missing after that night, and that both Misty and Tommy lead LE to the river. More rope was taken from Tommy and Lindsey’s house after a recent search. Misty is pointing at Tommy and Joe, Tommy is pointing at Joe and Joe isn’t really pointing at anyone. If Joe was guilty I think he’d be pointing back at Tommy and Misty but he doesn’t appear to be doing that. Was he there that night? I think he probably was but Haleigh was already dead.

Here is my latest revised theory:

Misty is already hungover and worn out, not wanting to watch the kids. Around 6:00 Tommy stops by and smokes a joint with Misty….she feeds the kids, has the visit from Gmom delivering clean clothes, she then puts the kids to bed so she can get some sleep. She turns off the phone and prepares to go to sleep but Haleigh isn’t ready to settle down. Jr. has probably fallen asleep watching a movie but Haleigh is bouncing around and Misty grows impatient. She gives Haleigh something to make her sleep…..it seems to work and Misty goes to bed next to the kids. She awakes later that evening, perhaps to use the bathroom (always some truth in the lies) and checks on the kids… Haleigh is dead. She calls Tommy…but Lindsey has the car…so Tommy calls Timmy’s house and talks to Joe. Joe picks Tommy up and they go to the MH. They show up and Misty tells them what happened and perhaps all of the voices awakes Jr. They step into the doorway and Jr. awakes long enough to see the men in black…and hears the squeaky shoes…..Tommy carries Haleigh out to the van…they grab some of the cinder blocks from the yard…..Tommy, Joe and Misty go to the dock leaving Jr. home alone. They dispose of Haleigh and vow to one another NEVER to tell.

Misty hasn’t cracked because she knows she is guilty of drugging and ultimately killing Haleigh. The fear of murder charges are enough to keep her quiet. Tommy hasn’t cracked because he was protecting his sister. Joe hasn’t cracked because he was protecting himself….perhaps playing a very minor role of simply bringing the van to Tommy’s house….but he has been in trouble with LE before and so he keeps his mouth shut because he fears no one will believe him and he’ll go down for murder. Perhaps he even threatened to tell LE in the past and Misty pointing the finger at him to the media and LE was a warning to him to keep his mouth shut. Perhaps Misty’s 2 week visit to Cuz Joe was due in part to him threatening to talk….and she went to hush him up…with whatever means possible….giving him drugs perhaps….buying his silence.

Tommy, while guilty of disposing of the body, did not kill Haleigh….so he cracks first….afterall, he isn’t facing murder charges. With the failed LDT, being behind bars, facing drug charges and the threat by Lindsy of divorce, he caves.

Misty has the most to lose…she killed Haleigh….so she again points the finger at Joe to deflect blame. But the truth WILL come out and she will have to face justice eventually.

All of this is JUST THEORY and is my own opinion….which is subject to change without notice. lol But all of this seems to be fitting together and I believe justice WILL be served.

how far did timmy and chelsea live from ron’s trailer and tommy’s trailer?

When Timmy and chelsea turned from Jacksonville, was Joe at the trailer?

What time did they return from Jackonsville?

How did joe get from Timmy’s to Tommy’s in order to be at Ron’s trailer between 4 and 7 pm?
And how did he supposedly get back to Timmy’s that night?

Does anybody know what time Chelsea went to bed?

Another possibility is that Tommy went to the MH alone…he and Misty disposed of the body. Joe may have used the van that night but could have been for some other crime…burglary, drug sales/purchases, was driving while drunk…etc. Misty and Tommy removed the rope from the van and pointed the finger at Joe to cover their own tracks. As far as we know, no sign of Haleigh was found in that van. Joe could be completely innocent when it comes to Haleigh…he may have been up to no good that night and scratched the van…..but it is very possible he was not involved and is being set up as the fall guy for Tommy and Misty.

I don’t think Misty intentionally killed Haleigh….but she did kill her (OD’d). Tommy was just helping to clean up for his sister.

Ky mom, I cannot say for definite who killed Haleigh. I think Haleigh had been given some kind of med for her to go to sleep. Perhaps maybe more often than we know. This time Haleigh was overdosed. I believe Misty may have administered the meds. When Haleigh reacted Misty freaked and called for help.Just not 911 due to what kind of meds that was in her system and how much. Haleigh was disposed of. The evidence was cleaned up to the best of their ability and the abduction was staged along with a story.

Blue moon

They lived just a few miles away. when they woke Joe to tell him about Haleigh he was asleep with his clothes on according to Chelsea. Here is some archives for blogger news. http://www.bloggernews.net/120177

BlueMoon – according to Chelsea…Timmy had been in an accident and took pain meds and crashed early….I think she got home from work after 10:00 pm (someone correct me if I’m wrong)…..Someone (my guess is Joe) took the van after she had gone to bed.

If Joe was at the MH between 4 and 7 I guess he could have been with Tommy…IDK. Tommy was there around 6 to smoke a joint with Misty (in front of and around the kids, no doubt! UGH!) Tommy could have given him a ride back to Timmy’s.

RC’s MH and Tommy were just a few houses apart but Timmy lived several miles away.

I think Misty called Tommy (she knew Timmy had been in an accident and wouldn’t be able to help dispose of a body) rather late that night. He came over and helped her dispose of Haleigh, staged the back door with a brick and told her to claim someone snuck in and snatched Haleigh. They found more of the yellow rope and Tommy’s house so he obviously didn’t need the rope from the van. Maybe he drove over to Timmy’s and got the van to use as it would hide the body better than a truck or car….Maybe Joe went with him at that point and that is when they used the rope that was in the van….just thinking out loud….

CC did say Ron picked Haleigh up that day. She said it was the last time she saw her. Everyone in this case lies so much. No one really knows who picked Haleigh up from the bus that day.

Too bad all the language analysts didn’t pick up on this way back then!

I do think LE has found part of Haleigh’s body…perhaps not all…but I think they have something or they would not have told RC to plan a funeral. You need something to bury for a funeral. What would be the point of having a funeral with an empty casket at this point only for LE to eventually find Haleigh? What are they going to do, dig up the empty casket and put whatever they find in it at a later date? I don’t think so and don’t mean to be morbid or offensive. I think they are 99.9% that what they found is Haleigh but are waiting on DNA confirmation. Again, JMO….not fact…but if LE made that comment to RC the way it has been relayed to us, then they found part of Haleigh. Now, if they said…”It is possible you’ll need to plan a funeral” or “If we find what we think we’re going to, you may need to plan a funeral”, etc….then that is TOTALLY different than “You need to move forward with funeral plans”. We don’t really know at this point exactly what was said…all hearsay at this point as far as I know.

L4J

I think you are right. I don’t think Misty meant to OD Haleigh. Misty cell records did they show she called Tommy or Timmy that night? If she didn’t then how would Tommy or Joe know to come help her out with disposing of the body?
“Misty says she called Ron at work and he rushed home. Ron called the police after getting to the house” Well if she called Ron why did he stop to get a few beers from the convenient store? Or is this another lie Misty told.

Why would Shoemaker already out spinning the story if Ronald was innocent. “Ronald trusted Misty.” What?
Simon, who was speaking to Tim and did Tim give permission to be recorded?

KY MOM – I don’t recall Misty saying she called Ron and he rushed home. Never heard that before. I don’t think Ron had a clue until he pulled up and Misty came out of the MH asking him if Haleigh was with him. Only then did they call 911.

If Misty has since made this statement about calling RC, then can you point me to the link?

It has been obvious Misty has been lying because she hasn’t been able to keep the story straight. Always new little details that confict with prior statements. It has been OBVIOUS she knew more, and was hiding something. This may kill OJ’s Glove when charges are filed against Misty! 😆

Some people learn to survive by lying. Misty appears to me to be a person who has lied her way through life. I think this goes way back to childhood and her not having anyone she could trust or confide in.

Misty began giving subtle hints some time ago but her lies in the initial days made her not credible. I think she may have wanted to give a lot more info long ago but was feeling people out to see who might help her and who might hurt her. It’s no surprise Misty wouldn’t be forthcoming with LE; she does not trust authority figures.

I wonder if Misty might have come to feel that she could speak truthfully to someone like Tim Miller had she had enough time one-on-one with him, without pressure or input from others.

I am no psychology expert so certainly I do not know this to be the case, but it is my opinion.

Why would Shoemaker be out and about rewriting history if ron was innocent? “Ronald trusted Misty.” What???
Simon, who was on the phone with Tim and did Tim give this person permission to record?

liberty

I’m sure that Simon would not record someone with out their knowledge . JMO

JB you and I both seem to think Haleigh was overdosed to go to sleep. I cannot say Ron was involved for sure, but I am still suspicious that he may have known what happened, not that he actually committed the crime. I do not believe Ronald would intentionally hurt Haleigh. Im just not sure if this is what they would do to get haleigh to sleep so they could do what they wanted.

Ky Mom Timmy is on my radar as well.

Lindsy, put on her youtube site that her and LP sre meeting on the 23rd about certian matters.Then she starts Putting very unkind things agout Jan and Simmon . She sure has bitter tongue,she not the person I took her for.Oh and the yellow rope she remarked on that.

Misty is the ring leader – Misty was ‘in charge’ of all those dope deals…. what in her 6 years of education convinced Misty she could fool a forensic hypnotist? She murdered Haleigh, made up the story for 911 etc… WHY would she allow them to be put her under hypnosis? Could she have been that confident in fooling the examiner?

Misty woke up and Haleigh was gone..period! She told her suspicions about joe and tommy as early as the voice test. She knew tommy was mad about the fight over the gun and joe who was with tommy that day was wacky enuf to do something like this. Misty only had suspicions and has been telling the TRUTH the whole time!LE bungled this trainwreck of a case from the beginning by focusing everything on misty.

and calls or letters made to grandma hollar or anyone else are the result of the TORTURE like pressure LE has subjected them too. Anyone will say anything to stop the TORTURE!

I thought I read a NG transcript and in it TN said she picked Haleigh up at the bus stop that day. Than there is Ron saying he picked her up. Why the different stories?

Romewi said,in April 20th, 2010 at 1:20 pm I thought I read a NG transcript and in it TN said she picked Haleigh up at the bus stop that day. Than there is Ron saying he picked her up. Why the different stories?
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Nope, that transcript is incorrect, listen to the clip, Teresa says Ron picked her up

I haven’t seen comments from Crystal, Junior is with her, until Ronald gets out

So now everybody is convinced that the Shell Harbor PUBLIC boat ramp is where Haleigh’s body was dumped?

I seriously doubt it, but HEY…at least they’ll get a chance to see some albino peacocks while they’re out there. They still have the peacocks, don’t they?

Well were you a that trailor the night Haliegh went missing? So how the —- would you know who did what,or how Haliegh died,its all speculation at this point.All we know is Halieghs gone all 3 were somehow involved,Joe has been pointed at to be the actual murder,an i believe her,anyone who would tell on her own brother ,an we now find out he was involved,then i belive her when she says Joe was to.

Because Ron has been with Misty,he knows how she treated his children,TN said the children loved her.So he just maynot belive she murdered Haliegh.An wishes she would have trusted him enough to tell him what happened.

He cares for the girl,an Loved his children.No body ever thinks something like this will happen tho their child,no matter their lifestyle.I know when our 2 yr old loved one was murdered,i did not belived everything i heard either.If i knew the person ,an seen how they were with my babies.

Blue Moon said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 11:42 am

how far did timmy and chelsea live from ron’s trailer and tommy’s trailer?

When Timmy and chelsea turned from Jacksonville, was Joe at the trailer?

What time did they return from Jackonsville?

How did joe get from Timmy’s to Tommy’s in order to be at Ron’s trailer between 4 and 7 pm?
And how did he supposedly get back to Timmy’s that night?

Does anybody know what time Chelsea went to bed?
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I guess it depends on what story was told.They supposedly lived in Crescent City which is about 14 miles away but Friday night on NG she said they lived 3 miles away.

I believe Joe said he went to hospital that night,so I assume it was with them.

Who said Joe was at the trailer between 4 and 7, never heard that before. Tommy was at the trailer that after with the kids.

Chelsea said 14 months ago they stayed up late working on insurance papers, seems like it was around 1 because they only had been in bed a few hours before Misty called saying Haleigh was gone but Friday night she said Timmy took a pain pill and went to bed early and she stayed up late..

Since everyone else is throwing it out there, here’s my theory (is anyone keeping odds on all the different theories at this point??? lol):

1. Haleigh OD’d on pills. Maybe she thought they were candy and just ate them herself. Maybe Misty gave them to her, either way its irrelevant at this point (except in sentencing).

2. Misty discovered Haleigh was dead and panicked. She called Tommy and together they disposed of the body. This is why she avoided answering the phone. It may also account for Tommy saying that Misty wasn’t at the trailer that night. It may also account for the blankets.

3. Misty staged the MH and when Ron came home, she claimed Haleigh disappeared. Ron is the one who made her call 911. Even in her 911 call, its obvious she knows something because she is setting up her alibi before she even mentions that Haleigh has “disappeared.” I think Ron was clueless that anything had happened before he came home.

4. Ron may have guessed that Misty or even Tommy was involved in Haleigh’s disappearance but has no proof. Maybe he married Misty to keep her close and keep trying to get the truth out of her. Maybe he already has suspected she’s dead and just wants her body. Getting irate or violent with Misty isn’t going to get his little girl back. It will only distance Misty from him and along with her goes his chances to get Haleigh or her body back.

5. I think Misty & Joe concocted the story that Joe was involved. Misty has made no bones that she doesn’t like Joe and thinks he’s a “jerk.” Tommy has simply covered for her by backing up her story. Saves his own butt too if he is guilty of helping Misty dispose of the body.

I will blame the criminal, when and if we find out who that actually is. Right now the blame game is being played without evidence. When the evidence proves who the culprits are, then the full blame will rest with them and the people who hid it for 14 months. Until then, no one knows who to blame, not even LE.

Jan 57 – well, the fact that Misty has repeatedly lied and contradicted herself was the FIRST red flag. And I’m not saying she intentionally killed Haleigh either but I DO believe, at this point, with the info we have, that she was responsible for Haleigh’s death (OD Theory).

Misty has lied because she was responsible. She has pointed at others to deflect attention from herself. Tommy lied because he helped dispose of the body. So far there is nothing to say that Joe was involved although I have one theory that puts him on the dock with Tommy.

Ron may act the way he does because he may have drugged Haleigh in the past too….in an effort to get her to go to sleep. Misty may have just done what she saw Ron do in the past. So he may not be quick to judge and show anger….in fact, he may have guessed or found out a long time ago this is how Haleigh died. Would explain his “lack of shock or emotion” AND why he has supported Misty…she could have thrown it in his face that she did the same thing he had done a million other times (drugging Haleigh) and threatened to tell on him….or she could have a LOT of other info on Ron and if he publically denounces her, she might just throw him under the bus as well (because she’s done it to everyone else).

No one says Misty abused the kids (well, unless you count the smoking pot around them, getting wasted around them while they’re in your care, using HORRIBLE language and subjecting them to violence, etc.). But IF she drugged Haleigh it was for her own benefit (because Misty was hungover, tired, stoned, etc) and she is ultimately responsible for Haleigh’s death.

JB,i just feel good investigators would have gleened from what this girl was saying.An did some arresting sooner,an got to the bottom of this case.Not saying all are wrong.But as i wrote about my families experence on another thread.With LElooking at my family as the murderers of our much loved 2 yr old.An never would listen to what we said an who we thought the true killer was.MEDIA ATTACTS ,LIE,GOSSIP.aN IN THE END.THEY INFACT FOUND OUT WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG.AN FINALY ARRESTED THE TRUE MURDERER,AN LEFT US ALONE.BUT THE DAMAGE WAS ALREADY DONE.lOST JOBS,MUCH COUNSELING,NO TIME FOR US TO GREIVE. IT WAS AWFUL,AN IF THEY HAD JUST LISTENED!!! I FEEL MANY DID NOT LISTEN IN THIS CASE. sorry for the caps,dont feel like rewritting it.

My theory is that Haleigh walked in on Misty doing something with someone (perhaps sexual favours for a drug payment from her prior 3 days of partying and drug binge). This caused Misty to panic and become enraged…fearing the child could at anytime tell Ron what she saw, she hit her hard on the head or choked her. Then, she called Tommy to help her.

I’m still not sold on what Cousin Joe’s involvement was, but I don’t believe he killed her. If anything, Joe was with Tommy when Misty called him, and he became involved that way.

JB said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:16 pm Hypervigilant said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
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I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH YOUR THEORY! There are several of us here that are on this same line of thinking. Of course it is only theory based on what we know but it certainly fits

JB — If Misty was setting up an alibi when she called 911 what did Ron say — “I JUST GOT HOME FROM WORK” sounds like an alibi to me… and almost every interview for the next month he repeated his alibi.

Does anyone know what Ron did at work? I’ve known many people who have snuck out of work, went back and punched out or had someone punch them out – is this possible?

I don’t know if anyone has said why Ron beat the crap out of Misty on the previous Friday — but could it have been worse than ‘letting his daughter get stolen’? And he doesn’t even get mad at her — he marries her? Too many questions.

Someone send me link to Lindsy’s youtube channel please. I found it the other day but for some reason I can’t find it now… Thanks much appreciated…..

ky mom said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm Someone send me link to Lindsy’s youtube channel please. I found it the other day but for some reason I can’t find it now… Thanks much appreciated…..
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I’m pretty sure that’s not Lindsy’s

pezzu…. I said I agreed with the theory. Misty overdosed Haleigh, Tommy helped her cover it up. I can’t even begin to rationalize RC’s behavior. It has been suspect since day one but none of the evidence, as we know it now, points to him. I can’t explain why he married her (other than he may have feared statutory rape charges)….nor can I explain his lack of emotion now. I’ve said all along that I didn’t know why he was sticking so close to Misty and why he didn’t grill her for info. We aren’t even remotely close to this investigation and most of us thought Misty at least knew more than she was telling or was involved. Why didn’t he see it and why didn’t he beat the truth out of her (not that I would condone that)….but with his temper, I’ve NEVER understood his actions.

Could he have snuck out of work? I’ve thought that but everyone keeps telling me that LE verified he was there all night. I’ll be the first one to say “AHA, I THOUGHT SO” should LE at some point say Ron was someone involved in her death or the subsequent cover-up. But right now…I’ve got nothing to substantiate that.

Fact 1: We now know Misty has been lying or not saying anything about what happened even though she knew. Before we knew what we know now she said that if she knew where Haleigh was she would say so.

Fact 2: Now that Cousin Joe has been brought into the possible array of perps, he has also reportedly said that if he knew where Haleigh was he would say.

Am I the only who thinks this is a red flag?

The only Lindsy you tube channel I have seen was a fake one. A very, very obvious fake.

Some of your theaorys may wind up being true.But with what i see ,is when Misty ried to show Tim,they did not listen,If it was told to LE that joe wasnt in the bed in the beginning LE did not listen.From experence.When something like this happens people are so scrambled brained ,they sometimes say off the wall sXXX.(sorry)

My Niece was so scrambled from finding her baby dead,between her twins.That she flipped,an what she said didnt make sence,she to failed a LDT. An we were so crazy with drief,we none made sence.An the effects of a shody investigation,an what we went through for it,we still feel the effects 110 yrs late.BUT IN THE END WHAN HER TRAMA STRICKEN MIND,AN THE EVIDENCE WE DUG UP FROM OUR PI.The real killer was arrested,an recived LWOP,Should have been the DP for the brutalness of the crime.

So from experence i see many blunders in this case of Haliegh,she was a preciouc child an should have been here to enjoy this beautiful spring.An to grow up an marry,an have her own children.

But things arnt always as they seem.An if im wrong about the players ill be the first to admit it.But a junkie/drug addict doesnt use a $10/20 pill,an thats the going rate for roxys,an oxys.Haliegh could have ingested something thinking it was candy.Pills are tan,
blue /green /pink according to brand,an dose.They could look like candy to a child.They are to valuable to a druggie.INVESTIGATORS HAVE TO GET ON THESE DRUG ADDICTS LEVELS,AN UNDERSTAND THE HOWS,AN WHY THEY ACTED LIKE THEY HAVE.

Would somone tell me how to get to Lindsys utube site? Thans before hand for the help

I wish someone would just get off their arse and get this done!

http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN sorry hope this works

Any thoughts on Tommy and Misty having sex comment that Cobra made on the show Sunday? I wouldn’t put anything past Misty and Ron didn’t seem to upset to lean his woman had spent the prior weekend with another man. Also wasn’t there a tape of some crazy woman saying that Misty and her friend had sex with several men and more than one at a time in some hotel? If this is true Ron has to have some knowledge of it.

I just rewatched NG from Friday.

1.Why did Chelsea have to borrow the van?
2.She does corraborate Ron’s claims that HE picked up Haleigh from School that day, I’m assuming she’s talking about the last day she saw her, BUT, why does Chelsea have to include or say 1st, RON HAD HIS WINDOWS ROLLED UP? WTH? Ha Ha, it reminds me of Misty blurting out “blankets”.

3. Okay, ummm, so sweet for Joe to say “I can’t imagine what their going through”, but then he immediately says, “I didn’t do it.”
Geez he sure he said it fast too. Why would anyone jump and say that after a sympathetic statement? “Oh,so sorry ur cat got run over, I DIDNT DO IT?!” Cmon, guys, throw me a clue.

Where’s the Hyatt guy? Talk about Analysis……!!!!!!!!!!!

The one who killed Haleigh sits in jail on drug charges and that is the father. When you try to create a LIE your subconscious will slip up and speak out loud. There was an interview taken with reporters the afternoon of 2/10/09 where the father’s suconscious slips up and says “I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”. Right there the father KNEW Haleigh was already dead at the time of the interview. And the father knew he just slipped up , went back to his fake crying and his mother had to continue to talk. His voice changes again and he continues the LIE. Also in the interview , the father says a few times “she was gone just like that.” , which brings me to my theory of what happened. The ex-newlyweds were arguing all day because of the ex-bride’s weekend getaway. After the father picked Haleigh up from her bus stop and went home the argument escalated. Haleigh tried to step in and the father hit her causing a severe injury. The father had to leave for work and left Haleigh in the care of the ex-bride. Her condition got worse and the ex-bride was directed by the father not to go to the ER because then she would have to explain Haleigh’s injury. The ex-bride may of played doctor and gave her some pills , but Haleigh later died. Under the direction of the father she had to dispose of the body and this is where her brother and maybe the cousin get involved. At this point , this is where the original LIE begins.

To listen to the interview of where the father subconsciously admits his guilt copy this – Haleigh Cummings Fathers Emotional Interview – go to YouTube and paste it in the search box. The father’s admission of guilt is at the 1:04 mark. Listen and you decide. The lie has been there since day one !!!

jan57: backspace the – lines

ht-tp://www.you-tube.com/user-/LindsyLPN

Jay…I don’t post my home address but people like you scare me just a bit.

I do feel bad for Ron and his loss….but DANG IT! If he would have grown up, put down the drugs and made better choices in the people he surrounded himself and his children with, Haleigh would be alive. This, from most appearances, wasn’t some freak sneaking in and abducting Haleigh. From appearances, it was the people HE chose to entrust with the care of his children that took his child’s life….and he KNEW Misty was a druggie…heck, so was RC. It is all about life choices.

If a parent leaves a loaded pistol laying out and even lets his kids play with it and a child dies, would you fault that parent? I WOULD! RC left a hungover, drugged up pot head 17 YO (the loaded gun) who didn’t want to babysit in charge of his children. One of those children died. So do I fault RC? YES! Do I feel bad for him and his loss? YES! But it didn’t have to happen. This wasn’t a freak accident, SO abduction, this was careless and reckless behavior by the father in entrusting the care of his children to Misty. Simple as that.

curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.

It is in the interview with ‘white boy Gregg’ and Art Harris – you can find it on youtube. He say Misty told him her and Ron broke up cause he was beating her up [jumping on her]

http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN
I am having problems bad! Thats the direct link Jan!

hmmm thats the 1st time my link worked.
Thought they were disabled 🙂

Why is it that no one thinks one/or both of these 2 men could have murdered Haliegh,they had no ties to her like Misty.Tommy seem to could have cared less about his,even when Lindsey was telling him how sick his children were.An nothing had happened untill this out sider Joe came to town.

I am wondering also why Linsay threw tc boots away?

curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:31 pm ky mom said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm Someone send me link to Lindsy’s youtube channel please. I found it the other day but for some reason I can’t find it now… Thanks much appreciated…..
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I’m pretty sure that’s not Lindsy’s
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Anyone w/ a speck of brain would know that is not her’s.

could lindsay have given the boots to LE and was just covering her rear in case tommy got released?

Jay if you don’t like the site leave. We are here for Haleigh not Ron. Ron should have been there for Haleigh and this would not be an issue.

Jay said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:09 pm The fact that this site allows people to say such hideous, unproven, theoretical and speculative bulls hit about another person is quite disturbing. The man lost his child and now he has to be exposed to anonymous wimps slandering him on a whack ass website that requires no accountability from its so-called users.

This is foul.
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This is not the only place it is happening. And it’s no use to try and use logic, it is lost on those that *want* and *need* RC to be guilty for some sick reason.

Cathy I put the address above but repost it. http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN

My comment on the sex deal Cobra reported on.Is hog wash.No teen girl wants her brother pumpping up on her.An to say she used that for minpulation.I was scocked.BUT why should i be ,lol it came from a man.I like Cobra,but that disgusted me.Hes never been a victim of rape/molestation/or incest!!

JAN 57, I just posted on the other site, so I’m coming over here now. I was responding to something TOBIAS had said, about all the doubting coming out now about them.

Where have ya’ll been, cuz I’ve been saying this all along!! But I got the feeling everytime I posted something along those lines, everyone said I was barking up the wrong tree!!
Yes, u have a great point, we need to remember, these CROSLINS are in no way related to the Cummings. (only by the short marriage) and Misty and Ron had been dating only since Sept 08.)

And yes Tobias, I know I’m dreaming, I just can’t help it, I just love my Ron! Call me Nancy and slap me silly!!

Now, if ya’ll come over to my side, I am promising some more Croslin family fun facts…..

Jay said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
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Jay i do like your posts but i would like to see you post more.TY

Who ever harmed Haliegh if done intentual,should pay dearly.

OJ,Thats possible and i hope you’re right,may be why she said it on the tape!

JB said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:20 pm Jay / Karen…this is a blog…we discuss theories with one another….we aren’t privy to what LE has….so all we have is what tidbits come out way. It is all opinion…..that is the POINT of a blog.

And, if you think RC is such a great dad then perhaps you’d like to bail his behind out of jail and hire him to watch YOUR children! Better lock up your teenage daughters first (and any prescriptions you might have around).
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See Jay, take note. Whenever they are called out they come at you w/ some ridamndiculous statement about RC. That comes from having NO logical response.

And now that i think about it,theres no way in hello i’d marry someone accused even if it meant to keep them close! BS!

We worried for nothing,the drugs keptem “Close”

i posted it just before vaq!

As would I but now you think about it,they were hiding the fact they were even with one another in the drug tapes and going to pick up her clothes in the middle of night,theyd have kept close! I would not have married her but then again,imo ron knew anyway!

JB said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:30 pm Karen…Haleigh died. If Ron had paid a reputable babysitter…she would be alive. If Ron hadn’t jumped from one druggie teeny bopper to another and had these druggie teeny boppers playing house, Haleigh would be alive. If Ron had put his children first, walked away from the drug life and protected his children from criminal drugged up thieving crackhead thugs and crack wh*res, Haleigh would be alive. He played with fire and Haleigh was the one that got burned. Even RC looks like he is feeling the guilt for his actions. He KNOWS he screwed up. And MS. LOGIC (KAREN), I didn’t see you stating you’d welcome Ron into your home to babysit your children, now did I? So you support him, as long as it isn’t with YOUR children? So I guess Haleigh doesn’t mean anything to you then? So why are you here?
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Do you have a mental illness? Seriously? Your logical conclusion is, if someone does not think RC killed Haleigh, then they want him to babysit their children? Seriously? WHY are you here? The only reason YOU are here is to bash Ronald Cummings. Do you really think Haleigh would want that? I do not. Every child loves their parents. And RC did not kill Haleigh no matter how all the sickos try and twist it. It just did not happen.

pezzu said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.

It is in the interview with ‘white boy Gregg’ and Art Harris – you can find it on youtube. He say Misty told him her and Ron broke up cause he was beating her up [jumping on her]
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Yea, Misty the bastion of truth. They broke up because he and Crystal were talking about getting back together.

CathyJo63

They are all innocent!!!!!!! Aren’t they? lol

Innocent till we prove them guilty!!!!!!About like c/a!

Linda said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

If thats not Lindy’s youtube acct. I’m sorry I read all the remarks the other day about tommy coming home and hated sleeping in that big bed alone . I had no reason to believe it wasn’t. Guess I stupid.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You were not stupid! The point is, that BS shouldn’t even be on youtube… if it’s not Lindsy, she needs to have youtube yank it!!!

I assumed it was hers too Linda,she sent me a reply,tommys not guilty,stop watching n/g,lol

We are all under stress,calm down,i realize its usually youins telling me that but please!!!!

sorry but if she’d been a mother they wouldn’t need a sitter!

try 21 Linda!

Many perceived Misty differently after viewing her jail house videos, because for the first time other aspects of her personality were revealed.

Perception of Lindsy might change for some who view the LindsyLPN page, and read her comment, because she is revealing more.

She’s angry at the messengers: Flora Hollars, Simon, Jan, and probably many others.

No reason for me to not believe the LindsyLPN page at YouTube was created by Lindsy Croslin, and is updated by her.

KAREN said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:28 pm CathyJo63 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm And now that i think about it,theres no way in hello i’d marry someone accused even if it meant to keep them close! BS!
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I could do anything and I do mean anything, if I thought it could help find my missing child. Maybe not everyone feels that way about their child IDK.
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IMO everything that Ron did has been an attempt to push those he thought where guilty to reveal themselves and to find HaLeigh.

Karen….oh, I don’t cut Crystal any slack either….I think she is a waste of space and she failed Haleigh and Jr miserably. Perhaps if RC wasn’t busy buying guns, beer and drugs he could have paid a babysitter….hmmmmm…. and he never bothered to go after Crystal for child support…. probably because it was so dang easy to find a crackhead teeny bopper to boink and charm into watching his kids. Sheesh! If RC is your role model, Gawd help us…although that would explain a lot about you!

Texasmommy39 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:51 pm KAREN said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:28 pm CathyJo63 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm And now that i think about it,theres no way in hello i’d marry someone accused even if it meant to keep them close! BS!
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I could do anything and I do mean anything, if I thought it could help find my missing child. Maybe not everyone feels that way about their child IDK.
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IMO everything that Ron did has been an attempt to push those he thought where guilty to reveal themselves and to find HaLeigh.
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I agree 100%.

Just doesn’t add up guys NOW!

makes me sad reading through these posts…

wish more would defend Haleigh,fight for her justice..not her loser of parents whom BOTH let her down,yes all children love their parents..pity Haleighs parents loved their drugs more…

JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE…PRAYERS FOR HALEIGH..XXX..

that is not her youtube account.

ronfan said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:42 pm Hey Karen and Jay, now, I thought I was the only passionate Ron fan on this site!

HEADS UP JB: Hell, I’ve got the money, and yes, I would bail him out if I could. I actually asked my Husband if I could put some money up and he looked at me like I was a frog. Then he just walked away…Yes, that’s true. (me and Mizz Nancee can hide him out)

Jay, I think u just had to vent, and JB, just let Jay vent. I hate the idea of Ron having to be cuffed and shackled like a beast and being televised like that. How humiliating.

NO ONE LEAVE THIS SITE!!
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LOL I see the side are drawing their lines again and the gloves are coming off.
I am getting popcorn and some snacks. BRB

pezzu said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.

It is in the interview with ‘white boy Gregg’ and Art Harris – you can find it on youtube. He say Misty told him her and Ron broke up cause he was beating her up [jumping on her]
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I listened to Nay Nay and WBG, I don’t believe Ron beat her up, I believe they’re full of it

I understand a subject has to ‘want’ to be hypnotized and must co-operate in order to ‘go under’ — but could this 17 year old with a 6th grade education be that confident that she would not blurt out ‘I killed her and Tommy helped me dump the body’? Wish someone could explain that.

hmmmm,maybe it stands to reason thats not me who did!LoL idunno!

heyitsmekelly said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

For all those defending the father , do you know that he was investigated by DCF for claims of child abuse? If you don’t think a grown man in a fit of rage can severly injured a 5yr old and without medical treatment can die in a short period of time must live in NEVER NEVER LAND! Don’t tell me that you havn’t read about a child who died from blunt force trama ever in the news! They have covered up this crime since day one and came up with the LIE to keep their sorry butts out of jail! The police have no evidence other than their LIES! They went back to what they know best by dealing drugs and look where they are at now! I hope they all rot in there!
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Sure we do because we know Marie kept calling them and it never went anywhere because they weren’t abused.

curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:02 pm pezzu said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.

It is in the interview with ‘white boy Gregg’ and Art Harris – you can find it on youtube. He say Misty told him her and Ron broke up cause he was beating her up [jumping on her]
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I listened to Nay Nay and WBG, I don’t believe Ron beat her up, I believe they’re full of it
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Now that I don’t believe either..for a second!
In the drug tapes…come on,Mist was the boss!!!! It amazed me!

Ron Fan,dont undersatnd your 3: comment was it to me or Tobias. what did you mean exactly lol.I have never believed Ron,or Misty harnmed Haliegh.

lol an i like those tough country boys,lol always have.

is my page my page?
wait I don’t have a page..nevermind

I know the person that told her about the fake youtube, they are myspace friends. Maybe she has other things on her mind than looking at what idiots on the net are doing and saying.

Press Release

Minneapolis FBI receives names of Putnam County Sheriff’s Officers alleged to operate sex ring

Is this real? This is on writeintoaction. First time i’ve seen it.

Yes,also told NayNay he rolled her into a ball to make her lose a baby!

pezzu said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:15 pm Why would Misty make up a story that Ron beat her up to some drug addict she just met? Maybe he didn’t — but ‘they’re full of it’ don’t quite get it.

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Apparently she has issues with the truth. Not sure why you would believe that comment.

FYI ONLY

I decided not to post on this thread, however, I looked on my homepage on fb and saw Marie asked that we read this article.
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/04/20/news/news01.txt

NO body found.

right but Peaa,I think i could,never thought of it but easy i imagine unless she knew they’d gas her..LoL

Linda…I know people grow up in total disfunctional families….my mom was one of them…even though she was abused, never had a childhood, she managed to raise me without harming me, never drank or did drugs like her parents, was a completely loving mother. I am sorry for those who didn’t have an ideal childhood as I did…but I never believe in using it as an excuse for repeating bad behaviors. Everyone has a choice….RC made poor decisions, as did Crystal, as did Misty, as did Tommy, as did Hank, as did Lisa, as did…….but they COULD have made different decisions. Tommy didn’t have to burglarize homes…he could have seen the waste his parents were and chosen a better life….Misty could have chosen a different path, Crystal could have seen what her choices were doing and that they were costing her custody and gotten off the drugs….but she made her choice as well. People go through horrible things but they CHOOSE to either rise above it or wallow in it and use it as an excuse for their actions. JMO of course but one I believe in strongly. I’ve witnessed it too many times in my own family, with friends, co-workers, etc.

I wouldn’t be so quick to believe that, Vaqurera. Until proven otherwise, I’ll accept the LindsyLPN page belongs to Lindsy Croslin.

Hello….my….cruel..world!!!

pezzu…obviously she didn’t fake it as everyone knows she faked it! LOL

I think Misty was under pressure, wanting LE off her back and was willing to do whatever to throw them off. She failed how many LDT’s and still signed on to take these tests? The girl is a few french fries short of a happy meal IMO. LOL

Well no one is stopping anyone. Most everyone that I post with around the net knows it’s a fake,but knock yourself out 😀

heyitsmekelly said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:26 pm Yes I know DCF didn’t find any evidence of child abuse! You all didn’t comment on reading stories in the news of a child dying at the hands of an adult from blunt force trauma due to child abuse! Some have seeked medical attention and come up with the lame story that the child fell from their chair! =============

You’re right I didn’t comment on it, you’re talking about other cases, I am here to post about HaLeigh’s case.

Interesting article at WESH

http://www.wesh.com/news/23209510/detail.html

Vaquera, you think it is fake because that is what almost everyone you post with thinks? That’s just a rumor, then.

You are so blind to the facts! I guess you don’t believe Haleigh and Jr not wanting to go back to their father after their visitations with the mom either! I believe the reports that the father had a bad temper and was physical with the children! This is a classic case of Haleigh dying at the hands of her father and him not wanting to go to jail over it! He’s so willing to come up with the “my child was stoled” LIE , only for him to go back to dealing drugs! All he cares about is himself! Same goes for his ex-bride! He’s in jail and will spend a long time there even if there no charges of him killing Haleigh! Good riddance!

ronfan..ROFLMAO…You should ask…”Is it possible an alien drug lord from Pluto took Haleigh?” LOL…I agree, the questions are beyond absurd. Do they screen the questions? Does anyone know? And of course everyone has to tell NG how much they love her, how wonderful she is, how cute the twins are, how big they are getting, how glad they are to get through, blah, blah, blah for 10 minutes and then they ask something totally stupid! LMAO

This is why I now generally just read the transcripts instead of watching the show. I don’t have to watch NG roll her eyes, scrunch her nose up and make faces at the guests while ripping them new ones, I don’t have to watch the same ole’ video clips over and over and over and over….I can skip through the transcript for anything of value! Generally takes about 5 minutes! LOL

Well, maybe it’s just a joke that I’m not aware of. No one is commenting on it.

IF…lmao….good point. But don’t stoke that fire…I think it has finally gone out and I really don’t want it to blaze again! LOL

ronfan said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:39 pm Last night I got through to Nancy

Oh God Ron,truer words were never spoken,or Did Misty pass her ld test?
Where are these ppl,under a dang rock!
Ask N/g if Misty eats better than she does,lmbo! That’ll getter!

??
Judge Strickland motion admitted to one time talking to Dave in the courtroom in full front view of the world, BUT nothing of a phone call (s). Does this mean the calls where a LIE an exaggeration?

HELP

Im trying to make sense of this

It almost makes you think it was the 1st day the story broke..sheeeeesh

AMEN JB!!!!!

Jason–People have sympathy for Lindsey and for the life of me can`t figure out why. She has the support of her family to help her and yet she stays with Tommy the Thief. I can`t fathom what she is thinking or if she is thinking at all. I think Lindsey has many fooled. JMO

The press release in on the website http://www.writeintoaction.com. Sorry, I didn’t want to post all of it, not sure it’s allowed on here. I’m a newbie here to the rules of this site. I saw it somewhere else.

I asked him a question and his answer was one that didn’t make out to be so smart.

JB said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:59 pm ronfan…. DCF had come and gone in a lot of cases…. and then the child wound up dead from abuse….. not that I am thinking it happened this time…but it could have…it may have…. and it certainly has happened before to other children “under the watchful eye of the State”. Just because no charges were filed doesn’t mean it didn’t happen I guess is my point. NOT saying it did, but it DOES happen in a lot of cases….. DCF is often a day late and a dollar short

Shaniya Davis comes to mind.

If Tom is culpable, it may take a long time for Lindsy to come to accept it. In the meantime, she will deny.

It’s normal, a stage of grief. I feel Chelsea is in the same boat – having a very difficult time.

Jason–If I thought my husband was any way responsible, no matter how small, with the death of a child I would run as fast and as hard as I could, especially for my children. Tommy has shown his selfish side so many times in the jailhouse chats with her. She has had to “raise” her husband, along with her children. When is enough going to be enough for her? She needs to cut her losses for herself as well for the sakes of their innocent children.

Robin, IMO, she has overlooked a lot of devious activity on Tom’s part, for a long, long, time – this time is no different.

CathyJoe your 5:01 To funny lol

ronfan-
I agree. My heart breaks when I look at Ron. I don’t honestly care that people don’t believe in him, I just ask that they keep there nasty comments to a minimum out of respect for Haleigh. Ron has been cleared I have read and heard from LE on more than one occasion. Crystal as well too.

But if you think RC was playing the role of undercover narc agent….I have some land to sell you. He LOVES his drugs. And if he can find an easy way to make money while getting high, he is going for it.
The only person who thinks Ron was an undercover narc agent, is his mother.
Awww Mothers!!

Watching JVM

Granny Flora is on the show wearing lipstick now, trying to look perty. (pretty)

Now Granny is bashing Misty…….too funny. Saying that if Misty is accusing Joe of molesting her and she never told, she must have liked it!!! 🙂

DANG I missed the show but the last few minutes. Obviously she gave a great interview, as all the panelist seemed shocked by her theory.
She even implicated RC..NOT in the murder but in other things. DANG anyone see the whole thing??

Kayla needs to stop posting Grandma is a liar on the boards or she’s next.LOL Under the bus you go…

BOLDONE3 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 6:32 pm Now Granny
OMG

Grandma must be the most hated grandma in her family…ever.Next she’ll say she did it,to be on more shows and get more money. @@

IF, just IF said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:45 pm KAREN said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:37 pm And IF Crystal has paid her child support, maybe he could have “hired” a “reputable” babysitter.
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And if Ronald would have used protection he would not have needed Crystal to pay child support… Geeeee! How far do you want to go with this?
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As far as you want to take it. If Marie hadn’t kicked CS out over a man and she went to live w/ RC at 14 she prob. wold have had enough sense not to have sex w/o protection. It doesn’t matter after the fact. The fact is they did have cildren and she did not pay support. Period.

I was here way back when Simon first started covering this case. I left for a couple months out of frustration over all the ignorant comments and people’s inability to differentiate between hate for RC’s lifestyle and his innocence of any part of this crime. Things haven’t changed much at all. Even Art Harris has said LE cleared Ron and Crystal, LE has said RC was cleared and STILL people will not believe it. I left Websleuths for good because the site has become a joke.

Good to see another Ronfan! ;o)

Cathy Jo

Are you okay?

I am now ky mom,scared the heck outta me tho,it actually dazed me for a few,i sat down and bawled for a few,lol

Thanks for asking though!

Jan,it makes ya wonder how the kids back then made it,My God i have seen my niece and nephew having blood brought from their legs with a mining belt! shewwwwww scared me to see it!

you knew better than to say a word though,just make it worse!

Granny Flora seemed to be more open and honest with her opinions today on JVM.
It was much less of sensing that she was trying to protect any of them and as a matter of fact I give her credit for being on television and speaking her mind.
Could you imagine if your family member or members had done something or knew about something and even possibly then did something after the fact tied to a crime?
If your own family member were in the position that Misty, Timmy, Cousin Joe and possibly Ron are all in would you be willing and/or able to speak up and tell what you knew against your own blood kin and on National Television?

Two scenario’s directly come to mind.
1. GrandMother Flora already knows what had happened but that she neglected to come forward until now and possibly that she is now doing everything she can to distance herself from the whole case while attempting to cease any further damage to the rest of the family who are innocent.

2. She is telling the truth because she realizes how much her own GrandChildren have maliciously damaged, shamed, and torn their family apart. Possibly that she is so pissed off at them for their behavior and at her age she does not want to leave behind the idea that what those family members have done is acceptable so it’s time to pull off the blinders and get tough no matter who’s feelings are hurt.

jmvho.

@Jay

Stop your sniveling. RC has made very poor choices in his life and leaving his daughter with a drugged out immature child like Misty is HIS fault and yes he is at least partially responsible for his daughter no longer being here

Oh btw,I cant watch N/G or JVM? I don’t have cable but i do see it online!

Wow — Misty was shown bones at the river?

right on simon! you are the MAN!

Simon:

Are you talking about Misty being shown bones being BS? Please clarify. If Art Harris is breaking that news, and it is not true, that is going pretty far out of line to get a bombshell.

Well,I guess I am on drugs too cuz i just fell too!

In this whole tragic case, the LE statement that they do not believe this was a stranger abduction. What evidence did they have to come that conclusion. LE has been known to wrong about statements like this. Too many cases have been left unresolved because of LE`s focus on family members. I think with empty statements like this being made early on, without actual proof to refute this claim, will be a crucial mistake. I think the Croslins are Liars, make no mistake about it, but I am just not ready to label them murderers. Its a huge leap to take without actual evidence! JMO

tom wants to come home and have a few beers,which will lead to a few pills….imo

brb i am getting mad again!

simon says it didn’t happen so it didn’t happen.

Simone,
I did not say that she said it on the video,it was in her comment section she was referring to you and Jan . and no you don’t know me I read here everyday but don’t usually comment. I also listen to your radio show every sun.

I thought Misty and Tommy were at the dock on seperate days.

AH is nuts. They may have told Misty they were ‘bones’ to try to trick her.

NG is crazy.

BA

Crystal and family not Ronald and his family?

BA

I miss read your comment sorry. I thought you said Crystal and family were making funeral arrangements. so sorry. I’ve been up to long.lol

omg,where are yall seeing that?

Tuff Stuff 7:01

GREAT POST!:)

I think Granny’s tears are real when she talks about all 3 grandkids being involved. She does seem heartbroken. JMO

She does like the limelight. lol

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/04/update-on-haleigh-cummings-search/

It may be true though,dunno but imo Misty looked like she was crying and was being consoled in this one!

OMG I AM SORRY,ONLY POSTED THE LINK?????????????? I SAW THAT AND WONDERED WTH?

/ME sneaaks out the door

Cent:

It is a crying shame. There are so many ruined lives from abuse, neglect, and drugs. Yet, they don’t ever seem to learn. Misty told her dad she wanted to learn from her own mistakes. She waited too long to learn, and her life is down the drain forever.

Tuff Stuff @ 7:01…

I agree, Granny appeared much better on tonight on JVM. She sounds more coherent and sincere, to me. And the weird thing is JVM asked much the same questions as NG…it’s just that JVM is a bit more civil.

This is the first time I heard Granny say she believes all three were involved, not just Tommy and Joe. She is coming down on Misty now, and I think that was very difficult for her to do.

I do not believe she was the tipster but I can believe Misty and Tom talking to her; they seem to have a bond with Granny that goes way back. So when you think about it, it may turn out that Granny has played a very important role in solving this case.

Whatever it takes, I want to see justice for Haleigh. If it means hearing Granny talk, I’ll do it. I’ll even go through the painful ordeal of watching NG occasionally.

Goodnight everyone!!!!! See ya tom.

Worth Repeating: Winter Rose said “Kayla needs to stop posting Grandma is a liar on the boards or she’s next.”
LOL!

Frozen peas on your chin, CathyJo? LOL!

hey Jason,how are you?? Havent seen ya in a bit,good to see ya tho!

I can’t see either,too well anyway Jason,broke my seein eye glasses!LoL

I’ve been around now for a few days, Cathy Jo, saw you pop in the other day and then disappear! Glad to see you brought your humor – you had me laughing on the peas and then I read a post above that seems to make it not so funny ’cause you might be really hurt on the chin. Your chin OK?

He’s doing much better, Cathy Jo; stronger lungs too, and makes him a lot louder which is great – his voice is loud and strong like it was last year. ~ Thank – you for asking about him ~

Does anyone else notice how gramma Hollar looks to the right when she is uncertain or slow in answering a question??? And again I must say…..whether the woman is lying or telling the truth, the truth lies in the recorded jail tapes. As much as I do not believe her, Gramma Hollar must know this can and will be substantiated by the recorded tapes.. so not too sure of her motives. othe than the obvious tip pay out….

Sorry I was posting under “Anth” my husband….I was just thrilled I didn’t have to re-enter my info, thought it was saved…. I do apologize I have pirated his name with some of my sassy comments 🙂 And thought it was me……. I am sorry thru our computers shared that I spoke my opinions on his behalf.. well not on his behalf we are miles apart in opinion!!!

Cathy Jo, it might be because she’s not happy with your posts!

ya think Jason,LoL I ain’t too fancy with hers now either!lol but i’m staying off it,they done figured out i am an idiot…too close!LoL

Well G Hollars let Joes Juvie record out he stole cars Geez. Everyone (Geraldo and NG) kept trying to get everyone to be under the impression he was a SO. G Hollar even says Misty would always ask to go over to Joes and hung out with him. She also says Misty started the drugs when she went to Florida. Seems Misty lived with G Hollar up until she quit school.
Another thing makes no sense Joe just got out of Juvie at 18 yrs old when this all happened he was 19 (JUST) Because his lawyer said he just turned 20. Why would he risk going back to jail when he just got free? jmo

((((Hugs, CathyJo))))

((((Good-night KY))))

Did you guys see where someone in the interviews or something said Lisa has her moms smile,now geeee wonder why?? LoL Now thats cold,she’s an older lady for God’s sake!

LOL Me too Jason,me tooooooo!

its nice and i don’t have to beat on thissen’

i do now,just felt crazy and scared for a sec,lol ty

Cathy… take care… no more accidents!!

Thanks so much CathyJo, I really thought I was using my own name, until I posted a few comments about the Strickland fiasco….. and my husband pointed out my very stupid mistake, therfore I must apologize here as well as I have to him…. that is so very wrong to use another’s blogger name, however innocent….. spouse or not!! He will get over it tho:) And I do apologize to you all as well!!!

I can’t help but feel a heart for Grandma,she looks alot like my Amom!! Sweet and older and just so sweet!! No teeth! sorry but it’s true!!
Mine woulda throwed me under the bus for it oo if it were true!

I like Flora Hollars – she seems to be calling it as she sees and hears it.

shoot my Aparents had 54 gkid’s….somebody had to scream!!!! LoL

I agree there Jason,she may be the only one with enough hair to tell it like it is!!!
I can’t see a Grandma wanting too!!!!!!!! I couldn’t,I am a grandma myself and it would kill me to admit that but for a child with no defense,hello yea i would!!

I just Thank God she got the ball rolling,biggest stir since the whole thing..imo

Cathy did your A-parents know all the grandkids names?

You’re being harassed? By whom? The one with the itty bitty brain??

I truly believe there are a whole lot of Croslins that know what happened to HaLeigh, and I do think RC is as involved as the rest… My opinion of the true insight into RC’s grieving, was when he was wheeling and dealing drugs with the undercover cop……not in pre-arranged TV interviews…… he did these drug transactions before he picked his son up from pre-school, on his way to one more drug deal .. How can anyone believe a grieving father would put another child in harms way after the death/loss of his daughter?? I didn’t buy RC’s martyr act then and I certainly don’t now..

There are posters saying that it isn’t ‘the real’ Lindsy page, but they don’t give any explanation to back up their claim.

JNet said,in April 20th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Have to agree now!

Adams,they had 13 bio kids married off and then adopted me!

holler got no ball rolling…tommy and misty called within 15 minutes of each other and thats a coincidence? I think not! Tommy told his wife “they want me to say joe did it but I’m not going to lie”..guess what, he lying. So did misty if it true they called granny. LE placed immense TORTURE like pressure on them, so of couse who wouldn’t lie to stop the TORTURE! Misty in INNOCENT!!

and imho misty and ron are guilty as sin!

Skywise, I agree with much of what you said, but I think any or all of them would have ratted out NayNay in a nano-second.

No grandma wants to do that,I wouldn’t!!! she is telling the truth but they hate her for it when they should be praising her for the fact she stood up finally for HALEIGH!!!!!!!

Cathy Jo, it sounds to me like someone who read your post on L LPN page wants you to believe the page is not Lindsy Croslin’s.

Strange how someone(s) must think it is important to tell people that is not her page.

Tom’s attorney is one person who might not want people to think it is Lindsy’s page.

Who cares if it’s lindsy’s youtube or not? It’s not going to solve the crime against a child. Why the reference on there the other day about Gomer Pyle, Tommy, KFC and beer? It’s a joke either way. Now it’s making statements about Jan and Simon. it’s someone that doesn’t like this site that’s all.

did they really find a yellow rope from tc home??

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978183728
Dunno for sure but just read it here! about bones,brix and a rope found?

Good evening!

If it is true, that Tom and Misty were in the backseat of a cruiser together, I would bet good money, Tom’s cut a deal.

All L.E. would have to do is have him wear a wire and give them two minutes alone, say, to get their stories straight about Joe.

In that circumstance, she would narc herself out in 30 seconds flat.

Who knows if they really found,Ah is getting info from the Croslins.First Chelsea says she doesn’t know Joe on NG,guess she knows him well enough to know he sleeps in his boxers,now she says Joe jumped out of bed fully clothes when they got the phone call at 4am.But,but,but,I thought she told AH they got the call at 4am and laid in bed till 6am,then they decided that it was pretty serious a 5 year old child was missing at 4am,so they should get up.Hello?
She said earlier they were up really late working on insurance,but then on NG she said Timmy was on meds and had been asleep for hours.Those dark circles under her eyes is making her look real bad,worried much?Maybe she just needs more sleep and stick to one story.

Random Thoughts said,in April 20th, 2010 at 9:58 pm Good evening!

You have a point there b/c they sure haven’t allowed them to be alone before,or even talk!

I think what was said was Misty and t had told her 3 versions!

Seems to me with all the many media outlets that was on the scene during the search that someone would have seen/reported seeing Misty and Tommy put into the back seat of a police car together….BUT only AH’s sources had knowledge of this??????

Random Thoughts,

Weren’t TC and MC there two seperate days and not at the same time?

CathyJo63 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 9:58 pm http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978183728
Dunno for sure but just read it here! about bones,brix and a rope found?
Its there too Niterbug!

i wonder what EyesForLies sezz?

And at least Nancy Grace should have the decency to stop calling Crystal “biomom” since Ronald and Crystal will be planning thier child’s funeral.Pretty sleazy of Nancy since Crystal isn’t the one who killed the baby.I wish she had of taken her,at least she’d be alive.

does anyone know if joe came to the mh at all during his visit?if not. i rememember reading somewhwre that they could not get joe to the mh after haleigh went missing, why?could it be that somehow he got wind of the idea they were gonna set him up and did not want to leave his dna? does anyone know?

Cathy Jo, consider the source: Dark angel s _ _ _ 68 who has one favorite video (a skinhead one).

Judging from just the name, that’s no one I trust is telling the truth!

HEYITSMEKELLY: What story are u referring to? I see now ur talking in a broader sense, not just about Ron; can u please tell me if ur referrring to a story u read on here on BNN, it’s very important to me.

Cooline
On First Coast News,there’s the interview of Joe and his lawyer,the lawyer touches on that.I only watched once,what I think I’m hearing is he was there at some point that day,but lawyer wouldn’t go into it.I’ll have to listen again,but he is asked that question.

Listen, I`m just telling you, this is not a bogus tip.

Out to Lou Palumbo, former Nassau County police investigator, now private investigator.

Lou, this is not all happening on a bogus tip. They`d have already packed up and left yesterday instead of working through the night. They`ve got something.

LOU PALUMBO, FMR. NASSAU COUNTY POLICE INVESTIGATOR, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: I agree 100 percent with you. I think that this young lady, Misty Croslin, for whatever reason has decided to come forth with information regarding how this child was disposed of.

It`s part of the deal-making. I think the cousin has knowledge of what happened here. And I think we`re going to see this thing come to an end very shortly. I mean, just by virtue of the fact she`s standing there pretty much implies that she`s provided information to this law enforcement agency to direct them to where this child was disposed.

GRACE: Everyone —

PALUMBO: The next part of it`s going to come down to charging her and finding out who else was complicit in this crime.

Natasha reported she saw Misty pointing to a specific spot??

Has anyone figured out who the person is that Simon sez will “surprise” everyone when we find out?

Timmy has thus far stayed out of the public eye yet he allows his wife to speak about matters instead.

Simon Barrett @ 7:19 pm: Linda was right – check out the entire page (for comments).

The videos are just favorites of LindsyLPN.

Why is Timmy hiding from the media instead of being 100% publicly supportive of his own family?

I suspect that ol’ Timmy knows stuff and he doesn’t want anyone to look at his face due to shame.

CHELSEA CROSLIN, MISTY CROSLIN`S SISTER-IN-LAW: I know.

M. CROSLIN: Yes.

C. CROSLIN: You know —

M. CROSLIN: But it`s going to hurt two people. It`s going to hurt two people.

CASAREZ: Another phone conversation she implicates that the person that is responsible is walking the streets free and we`re behind bars.

M. CROSLIN: You think, Chelsea, use your head. And you`ll know.

TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: They called us in to tell us that they were going to be doing a search. That the search was from a lead that they had gotten. It`s just a couple —

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This is my correction to Simon’s comment to Linda, please read it so there are no more misunderstandings. Thanks.

Jan Barrett

The first part of Simon’s comment addressed to Linda has been deleted by me, Jan Barrett for the following reason:

Simon’s response was because of what I said to him thinking Linda’s comment meant there was something said about us in the video itself. After he left this comment I went back in the YouTube page and listened to the video again and when I still didn’t hear anything I started searching on the page and that is when I spotted what Lindsy said in the comments.

I was the one that misunderstood Linda’s comment and I have personally apologized to her but I think I owe her an apology in here as well as everyone else.

The comment made about me by Lindsy could not be farther than the truth. My falling a lot has NOTHING to do with drugs or alcohol. I don’t do drugs (you couldn’t pay me to take them after I saw what they did to my own sister before she died) and I do not drink. I am however on different medications since I was told that I have a severe Vitamin D deficiency and my body is not cooperating with it, so it is a huge battle for me.

I am not telling anyone this for pity, please, I do not want that. I am fighting this to get my health back. The only reason I am even telling you all this is because I don’t want anyone to believe this garbage about me and YES I do have a doctor that can back me up about me not being on drugs and alcohol.

I am truly sorry to Linda with Simon’s response as he was only going by what I told him and if any of you get mad about his comment please don’t blame him, blame me and I only pray you forgive me for my mistake. I am really sorry. We try our best to be honest with everyone and we admit when we are wrong.

Thanks and I wish you all a good night,

Jan Barrett

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I take pride in my work, and as opposed to some journo’s I do actually check my facts. And what is being aired right now on HLN is complete BS.

Simon Barrett

Apr 20, 7:19 PM — Haleigh Cummings – Some Comments From Tim Miller

cathartic said (9:42 pm)

I agree with much of what you said, but I think any or all of them would have ratted out NayNay in a nano-second.
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My reply: She can’t implicate Nay Nay without implicating herself.
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OJ’s glove said (9:53 pm)

naynay’s letter only repeated what detectives told her!
check out the transcript and letter and see for yourself.

goggle ‘naynay’s letter’ its the second link

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My reply: I don’t have to Google Nay Nay’s letter. I’m very aware of her threats toward Pytko.

They didn’t show any video of Misty pointing the evening that I watched. And I would think if NG had video of that, she would be showing it and no other video. All I have ever seen is Misty just standing there; I never saw her point or gesture or anything. If anyone knows a link for video of Misty on the dock pointing, please share.

Timmy is Misty’s go to Brother pretty much right? Why isn’t Timmy there for Misty when she desperately needs his full support?

I’d say they’d have hid that from tv??at the time!

GRACE: OK. Natisha, what can you tell me about what we thought was an ice chest being pulled out of the river last night?

LANCE: What I can tell you, Nancy, is that we were able to get a shot of this area across from where they are. We went to a neighbor. We were able to sit on their dock and see them putting down a tub into the water, then dragging the tub up and then sifting through whatever they were coming up with from that tub. What we were told last night from investigators is that there was no cooler that they found. However, it did appear from different photographs that there was a cooler that was pulled out of the water yesterday afternoon during their search.

GRACE: OK. To you, Marlaina Schiavo. Misty Croslin taken back out of her private jail cell today, rousted out in cuffs and prison blues, taken down to the dock. And I can see her. There she is, between police investigators in plain clothes. And at several junctures, she points out to the water with the cuffs, like she`s showing a specific spot. What happened?

So i dunno,just posting it!

People who comment to this Lindsy on youtube should ask her why she threw out the workboots and made sure to say that tommy can’t even hardly get out of the bed or she wakes up! If she’s putting down Flora, well, at least Flora speaks up like a real woman instead of giggling and smiling like a 13 year old. Bet she didn’t talk to her husband or husbands like they were little kids either when they did wrong.

LOL at how NG ALWAYS refers to Misty’s cell as “private” as though it were a luxury. I bet the girl would pay a pinky finger for a cellmate.
Isolation my be for the prisoner’s protection, but trust me, isolation is ALWAYS punitive for the prisoner.

I wouldn’t have thought Natisha would false report it! I dunno guys,honest,lol i am skeptical too but there it is.

If I were Timmy and my Baby Sister and/or Brother were being trashed unfairly, publicly accused of something that I 100% knew that neither had done or could ever do then NOTHING in this world would stop me from protecting either one of them PERIOD!

What did Timmy do?
He moved away.

How…convenient…I suppose?

Tommy was at the dock…but it was before anyone knew anything was going on. I really think NG likes to point out every breath Misty takes, and downplays anything having to do with anyone else who might be involved. I basically stopped watching NG due to this case. I tune in now only when I know something might be on about Haleigh, but if I can get the news from JVM or anywhere other than NG, that’s my first choice. NG is just too biased and she seems to not be playing with a full deck, imo.

tuff stuff, in the jail video, Hank Sr. tells Tommy something like ‘I told you to get out of here and go to Mass, with your brother.’

I’d say Timmy heeded Daddy’s advice and got out of dodge. If it was me, and they had arrested my mom, my dad, my brother and my sister, with these crazy bonds, they might get a call but I wouldn’t step foot in the state unless legally ordered too.Lol

Jan, I don’t think any one is mad at your or Simon about his earlier post, and I’m certainly not. Linda doesn’t sound upset about it either, and she posted an explanation that you may not have seen.

I read the comments at LindsyLPN as angry insults, nothing more. You and Simon have done a great job with this blog, and it is much appreciated – just very callous comments over there that I didn’t take as truth, but feel you’re wise to refute them.

You can do it, Jan – keep fighting to help your body build up the stores of Vitamin D you need – best wishes.

catharitic, I almost quit watching NG because of the way she treated Haleigh’s mother. Custodial parent or not, NG was a rude pig to the girl and her attorney.

I watch because they at least do extensive coverage.

maybe they just put small animal bones in front of her face and pretended just to see what she would reveal… is AH ex-fbi? is this how he gets such inside info or is this just speculation? i can picture LE saying” no bones were found” even if there really were and leaking the info slowly to specific inside reporters but with them speculating JO was already in custody and getting it wromg, this could all be BS speculation. On the other hand if its true then this is definitely coming to a close. I’m up in the air whether this is beleivable or not and won’t be speculating anymore the next few days until I see if it’s legit.

http://www.wesh.com/news/23209510/detail.html

wasn’t Hank and Lisa’s residence right down the street from Shell Harbor rd.’s dock on Magnolia. I think Karon pointed this out on another thread. With hank and lisa gone at the hospital those kids might have had access to that empty house or shed. Maybe her lifeless body was brought here and staged for getting ready to weight her down.

LE has blown the case bigtime! They bungled the search for haleigh from the beginning buy focusing all their efforts on misty! The idiots couldn’t find their arses with a road map!

I’m starting to agree with Tuff Stuff. Maybe Timmy did have some involvement. He IS the only one that we haven’t seen and really hasn’t come forward or said anything. If he is as close to his sister as everyone is saying, you think he would be taking up for her or something. And Simon and Padilla did say that it would be someone that no one was thinking about. Po Nanny Flo. Now there’s Fo!

Karon. I thought Hank lived on Magnolia down by the dock and Tommy lived 5 or 6 houses down from MC/RC’s trailer !@???

Where did Timmy and Chelsea live exactly when Haleigh was reported as missing?

I’ve heard all kinds of stories from that they lived in a mh to an apartment etc… but I truly have no clue where they lived then. Does anyone else know?
tia.

Mel22 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:08 pm maybe they just put small animal bones in front of her face and pretended just to see what she would reveal… is AH ex-fbi? is this how he gets such inside info or is this just speculation?
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I’ve never heard that AH is ex-FBI or anything but he is a very good journalist. His reporting is critisized a lot here especially by our host. Simon is not shy about that. AH resides in GA I think but obviously has close contacts in Putnam and his sources trust him. I believe he has sources who some may be a little jealous of I don’t know for sure. His reporting isn’t always perfect he makes mistakes from time to time but when he’s said he stands by his story it’s always turned out to be true.

timmy and joe are not in jail cause they left dodge, they would have been SET UP too like misty was, because LE is trying to distract from their inept bungling of the haleigh investigation! and pin it on anybody! LE don’t care who, as long as the glare of ineptitude is taken off their incompetent behinds.
The lying evidence planting lowlifes!

Dylan said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:44 pm Mel22 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:08 pm maybe they just put small animal bones in front of her face and pretended just to see what she would reveal… is AH ex-fbi? is this how he gets such inside info or is this just speculation?
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I’ve never heard that AH is ex-FBI or anything but he is a very good journalist. His reporting is critisized a lot here especially by our host. Simon is not shy about that. AH resides in GA I think but obviously has close contacts in Putnam and his sources trust him. I believe he has sources who some may be a little jealous of I don’t know for sure. His reporting isn’t always perfect he makes mistakes from time to time but when he’s said he stands by his story it’s always turned out to be true.
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LMAO
He is not credible. He is up to his neck in computer spoliation in another case. His “main” confident spilled the beans. He has called someone a kissing cousin, knife boy, received stolen garbage from a blogger who took someone else’s garbage and then he posted about it on his site, lied and said that a famous atty flew bloggers to Bahamas to report and lie when HE and ET where the one’s there paying someone to report to them.

He had a desk job in the military and flew back home with dead bodies and tried to say he was in the thick of the war.

Lite candles for Haleigh.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC

Dylan, reason i asked is bcz , just any ol’ reporter off the street doesn’t get that kind of “inside”info and in advance of others especilally when LE adamantly said ‘they found ,no bones’. Info like that would have to be insider-leaked info or speculation from a reporter standing far away. One of NG’s producers/reporters tried to shoot the claim down and say it was only ‘open’. I’m just wondering how beleivable it is for them to claim they were Haleighs bones. Its EITHER careless speculation or so true its INSIDER ONLY information. I don’t see any middle ground for what was reported. IMO, it can be only one or the other. What’s your take on that statement? bcz i know if I walked up big and burley asking for info they’d say who are you, get outta here. Thats why I thought AH might have old FBI buddies that he got this info from. If hes even FBI (that was my reason for the speculative question above) I just don’t see how he could cite that kind of important info unless it was leaked purposely. JMO

I remember one recording of a phone call between Tommy and Timmy. I hesitated to even mention it since I cannot remember how long ago it was, but Timmy says to Tommy that he can’t come to Florida because he thinks if he does “they might get me on something.”

Now, this may just have been said in sarcasm, or it could have been paranoia over everyone in his family being either in jail or out on bond at the time.

Think about this!

Supposedly LE are showing Misty bones (human/animal is unknown)…..now why would they be showing her bones if she’d told them that the St. John’s River is where Haleigh may be?

IMO, They’re showing her bones to scare her….Misty obviously hasn’t told LE what it is they want to hear.

Why would LE release tapes of jail conversations between Tommy and his father with Tommy saying, ‘LE are liars, they want me to say Joe did it, but I’m not gonna to, I feel bad messing up someone’s life when I don’t know if he was involved or not”.

Was Tommy lying about not knowing if Joe was involved, why did LE allow that tape to be released?

Why are LE showing Misty bones?

IMO – They still don’t know who/what/when/where……………LE are grasping!

A funeral without a body?

I meant state of Colorado, not Denver.Lol

Noreen said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:07 am Think about this!

Supposedly LE are showing Misty bones (human/animal is unknown)…
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Noreen, I feel your pain. I agree with your post. we all have become to love this child.

I’m pretty sure people don’t plea down to lesser charges unless they actually did something. If innocent they go to trial… to plea is an admission of guilt and no trial except sitting on the (WITNESS) stand and (CONFESSING) against someone else as the main culprit. Cannot accept a plea without accepting the charges which meand gulit in whatever part that was played which brings the right verdict in most cases.

just one said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:12 am AnneInTn said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm I got to say this, When we all find out for sure if indeed this is Haleighs bones, cant we all have a memorail here for her and light candles all day for just her and try not to talk about others? Hope you all know what I am meaning here and where I am coming from. Look how many candles we could lite for this precious child.I am saying this from me heart for Haleigh. jmo
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Lighting candles is all well and considerate, yet it really does nothing to close this case and as much as you dislike talking about other, it is a fact that LE has to try their best to determine the WHO in whodunnit and that always includes extremely close scrutiny of family first, then goes from there. Honestly, no one is NOT a suspect in this case that was a part of her life and certainly that inlcudes Ron, Misty, Tommy, Joe etc.
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well i agree with you but cant we just have a Haleigh day? It is just about her, ya know.Was just a thought. jmo

I thought it was a nice thought Anne. Very nice thought and gesture.

OJ’s glove
I don’t know that I would go that far I really don’t think they would plant evidence and I don’t see how they could or why they would. When all this comes to light then it will come to light how much was blundered. For me it started with LETTING TOMMY CROSLIN OUT AND NOT TESTING THE CROSLIN FAMILY THE FIRST DAY AFTER THIS CHILD WENT MISSING. Misty won’t be the first person to go along with things and stay silent even in a crime like this. Sadly far to often it is woman that do it with abusive men. On their own the woman in the cases seem to do fine and would not hurt a fly or do anything illegal. I personally don’t understand it I would rather die trying than to not try at all. Perhaps in some way some physiological way she was trying by pointing to the place, persons involved, maybe that was her way. I won’t judge that because I have to understand not every woman comes out the gate swinging with “die trying” method. There will be specialist at the trial and perhaps they will be able to give better insight regarding all of this. With out strong evidence no Jury is going to convict anyone of this crime accept Misty that is the double edge of the sword better known as “Sunshine laws and the marriage it has with media”
God Bless Haleigh and all her families

Can anyone provide a link for the Jailhouse video’s where Lindsey tells Tommy that he parents aren’t allowed around the kids?

I can’t seem to locate it.

Annie:
I will light a candle with you and not talk about others for that day.

TOO FUNNY April 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
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Right on! I like him better and better. Thank you!

I will light a candle and not talk about anyone either,even if they aint no good,lol

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Karon said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:36 am Annie:
I will light a candle with you and not talk about others for that day
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-CathyJo63 said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:58 am I will light a candle and not talk about anyone either,even if they aint no good,lol
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Thank you . We together can pick the right day. I am open. God Bless Haleigh.

misty was a sleep, she woke up and haleigh was gone…period! Joe and tommy were at the MH earlier that day and decided to come back at night and steal the rifle..they were cracked up and took haleigh as revenge because they couldn’t find the rifle. Tommy had been in a fight with ron over the gun that was stolen earlier so he wanted payback..joe went along to backup tom and do a burglary.

I thought I remeber him saying that misty was shown (haleighs) bones which would be different, but i might be mistaken so i’ll go back and rewatch.

Dylan, I have to say I agree. I think they found bones due to telling family to plan a funeral. I just don’t see them saying that unless it were true and Terry SHoemaker even made a statement refuting ROn’s claim that he was never told that. THey have something 7 whatever it is, it’s enough.

HollysGmom said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:17 am Dylan, I have to say I agree. I think they found bones due to telling family to plan a funeral. I just don’t see them saying that unless it were true and Terry SHoemaker even made a statement refuting ROn’s claim that he was never told that. THey have something 7 whatever it is, it’s enough.
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HollysGmom, what does something 7 mean? what would that mean i wonder.

I didn’t read on his site, i was going by his appearance on NG, but i’ll have to re-check his words tomorrow bcz noone downloaded it to youtube yet from what I can tell.

If what they had found was nothing to the Haleigh case, they would tell us what it was IMO. Hardy said “We’re not telling” not “we found nothing” IMO

It’s so hard to listen to the reports of bones being found and everything else. If it is her then hopefully LE can close this terrible case soon.

One thing that came to me was the ice chest reported found the other day and then all of a sudden it was discounted and that was what they LE “were using”, well I am going back to that and “if” reports are correct they found Haleighs bones then I am betting they did find an ice chest weighted down with poor Haleigh in it.

This case is so sad but what is SO SAD is the players involved, I am not going to make fun of people for their different background, however they are all such horrible human beings.

I am still so on the fence about Ron Cummings I hate to say that someone would kill their own child, as With Casey Anthony I always gave out hope she got in way over head with bad players and well that wasn’t the case, she is crazy and lost her soul along the way.

Reports said “evidence found” but couldn’t list due to PCSO refusal to list (good thing)
Then next statements say “Haleigh likely deceased”

Then next day is “Family told to plan a funeral”

So it just seems logical that they found some reason to believe Haleigh was murdered. As to who did it, that’s still up for grabs.

Dylan said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:27 am It’s so hard to listen to the reports of bones being found and everything else. If it is her then hopefully LE can close this terrible case soon
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Yep I agree. I have had tears ever sence I heard this.

Anne, they both made multiple trips, the last together…
Good tactic to clear up exactly who did what or if someone else is to blame

I feel like I’m still in some emotional limbo while waiting to know for sure….How long before DNA comes back? You think they’ll expidite for this case?

shoemaker mispoke..he was not QUOTING LE.

NO human remains have been found, no bones were shown to misty, misty and tommy did not ride in a vehicle together..grow a brain people and do not believe everything you read on AH or hear on NG..

last few days to me seem like either ‘careless’ reporting or purposly ‘withheld’ info.. The reason I say that is bcz first we have NG assuming the blue ice chest was discovered ( later was reported to be a tool), a new suspect JO was in custody( reality was he was only questioned), ‘funeral’ arrangements should be made ( lawyer may possibly have meant memorial), today haleighs bones shown to misty ( might not be true )… what are we to beleive.. we speculate on here then go to the NEWS to get the real info, to clear up the speculation, but lately it seems like the NEWS are the speculaters. it seems like sensational reporting , not true reporting. They should leave the speculation for the forums. I actually think some of their news they are getting from the forums.

Something 7 said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:41 am
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Yes I agree. But it showed a chest with divers symbols on the side of one chest. My hubby is a diver and i would know those symbols anywhere. jmo

AnneInTn,

Having a day on this blog to light a candle for Haleigh is a wonderful idea for everyone who blogs here to take part in.

Jason said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:50 am AnneInTn,

Having a day on this blog to light a candle for Haleigh is a wonderful idea for everyone who blogs here to take part in.
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Jason TY, This blog is Haleighs and I felt in my heart we need to do something here for Her. Hope Jan and Simion can set us up a thread just for this When the time is right. So Sad. I hope LE is WRONG.

I had tweeted last night about a live chat type thing on Haleigh’s day…I wonder if it would be considered too intrusive. A lot of people want to do SOMETHING together for those who can’t physically go. I hope to be able to but would only give respectfull reports on happenings & people.

OJ: How do those statements correct it? He’s saying, yes, plan it. ROn thinks he knows what happened to her, LE know what happened but aren’t releasing it yet.

Ladies, you are correct. It is a tool used by divers to sift through the muck & mud of the river bottom. There were bone shard/peices found in that muck & mud. SOme suspected to be deer bones. The other, if any..???

I think it works like this…they fill it from top with river silt. It has a netting/mesh on the bottom and the water washes away microparticles and large peices remain.

Joe’s alibi for going to hospital is Misty…SHe said on more than 1 occasion Joe wwas with them to pick up Dad (Sr) SHe claimed in LVA JO didn’t “want to go back down there, not even to get his stuff”…I’ve been asking What stuff? At Ron’s? What stuff did he have at Ron’s? Tommy’s? Was he really staying at Tommy’s?

Ya know they also searched wooded area also. I just watched the report on that.

I don’t like Granny Hollars anymore…she’s starting to turn against my boy!!!
Hmmm, she better watch out if she’s on Mizz Nancee tonight. Mizz Nancee won’t like her talkin’ bad about Ronald…

Hey, maybe that’s why Granny Hollars “satellite” wasn’t “coming in” correctly all of a sudden!!!!

Chelsea has changed their story twice.jmo. Once she says TImmie was on pain meds and the other story was that they were up late fillinf out ins papers from the car wreck. So it cant be both.jmo

HGM, I suppose the blue chest was what they were putting the shards in then after it got sifted. Did the blue chest also have the divers symbol on it that AnneinTN mentioned that she saw on the white chest?

Anne: true…it can’t be both…I think the painkillers line is to show he would be physically inable to go with Toc and/or JO. In bed, in pain, drugged up….

Still doesn’t say she’s lied for JO in the past. She & Lindsy pointed in his direction pretty easrly on…almost too well. IMO

I agree HGM

Yes, i think the being on pain meds and in a crash earlier is her way of ruling out her husband , but she cannot completely account for joe between 1 and 4 and even points to him wearing dffernt clothes and off the bat thought he might be the one that moved and scratched the van. thats alot of pointing by her alone as well as ron and even misty in his part , if any, in all this. I would like to know who his ride from Tn to Fl and back was ? Wonder what that conversation was like?

Here’s a description of remains recovery from a civil war wreckage.

Once recovered from the bottom, the fragments will be stored in water and placed in a refrigerated, darkened environment on the expedition barge to prevent deterioration.

Then they’ll be transported to the Army lab in Hawaii for a battery of forensic tests, including examinations that could provide clues about the victim’s height, weight and age in addition to confirming whether the bones are human.

The recovery itself could take several days, however, as the divers and archaeologists struggle to record every shred of information that could help identify the remains. Uniform buttons, ID tags and other clues could be found in the sediment, providing valuable information about the victim.

“We’re taking the excavation very slowly,” Broadwater said. “We’re mapping and surveying everything we find.”

I would expect the process to be similar for any remains recovery.

Joe rode back to tennessee with a Jennifer Allen if i remember right jmo

do you all see how misty have moved from prime suspect to least culpable in a matter of days? She was asleep when haleigh went missing!..
LE bungled this case from the getgo focusing all their resources on misty.. the blundering idiots!

its one thing to go sifting and find bone shards but then have to map it all out too. That may be why it took a few days in this case as well for any prosecution to happen showing the likely dumping spot. I assume that would be in the middle and a roewboat was needed? anyone know what kinbd of boat Ron had. Was it just a typical boat or did it hacve a small outboard foe fishing? length( to see if it would fit on top of a van or in the bed of a truck. or was it the kind you’d haul on a wheeled-trailer?

Could be they( TC/or JO ) took the boat to get her out to the middle!

HEYITSMEKELLY: your post at 2:56; I really don’t hear it that way> I really think he’s just expressing how parent’s always use the metaphor, “take me instead”, (which interestingly enough, Misty has gotten hell for saying, similar to)

I do remember distinctively, this however: “Some sorry piece of trash took my child”….that is THE moment I felt it was Joe. Also, when Ron stated “you let THEM take my daughter” (911 call) And Misty saying in an interview “I wish THEY would have taken me, I could have FOUGHT THEM off.”

There hasn’t been anyone in the community who could not dispute that Ronald was an excellent Father. In fact, he had the reputation of being a very good Daddy, and would never ever harm or hit his children in such a way. That came from his own community on NewsJax4; there was an in town community blogsite. I think it would be hard to hide something like that.
Yes, his past drug record is there; but the year Haleigh was born, it stopped.

Please let me know about ur info on the abused child article. If it was on here, I would like to know how u feel about it. That Monster will get his, trust me.

http://www.bullgatorarchaeology.com/otherequip.htm

Bottom of the page there is a large flat type sifter box. This design is similar to blue cooler sifter used. Opens on top with mesh screen on bottom. Pushing it up & down in the river would wash away sediment.

Good morning!! Okay so I just watched NG show from last night. Wondering about the bones they were talking about. So do you think Tommy told Lindsy and then she told AH? We might get to see the audio files from that convo of Lindsy and Tommy in the back of the police car. According to AH they have audio of it.

Granny is hilarious. lol I about pissed myself when she said well Misty must have liked it because she wanted to go to Joe’s house all the time.

I wonder why noone asked Chelsea if Joe was all messed up when she saw him last? Misty said Joe was all messed up and she don’t know how he even drove the van. We already know that Chelsea said Timmy was on meds that night due to the car accident. Chelsea also changed her story since the beginnig of this case. What is she hiding?
There is still so much on this case that we have not heard. I believe when the Sheriff said several it meant more than 3 would be arrested in Haleighs demise.JMO

L4J

Ohh I think Timmy knows more than what Chelsea is saying. I’m not completely sold on the whole Joe is involved. I really do think Misty gave Haleigh something and she OD I don’t think she did it on purpose. I’m sure if you asked Chelsea she would say Joe was F’ed up. They all want to throw him under the bus . Poor lil Haleigh.
What was Chelsea’s original story?

Ky Mom she had stated in the beginning that she and Timmy were up late working on insurance papers I want to say the time she gave was between 12am and 12:30am, but not sure. Chelsea is now saying that Timmy was in bed 2 to 3 hours before her. He had taken meds and went to bed. It also in the voice stress test how she talks about Timmy and their closeness and that Timmy is Rons favorite family member of hers. When LE went to Mass to interrogate Timmy and Chelsea Misty made a statement to the press that Timmy is not involved. I get the feeling that Chelsea and Misty are shielding Timmy.

Yes, Shock wave I caught that to. That is why I state what could be Haleighs remains. It is not fact yet.

i haven’t posted on this page yet but I am wondering how oj’sglove knows the facts in this case? WHere is this person’s proof? The lawyer wasn’t the only one who spoke of a funeral. Plus why would someone have to be told to hold a memorial service?? That doesn’t make sense to me. People can have memorial services for what ever reason they want and when ever they want. Being told to plan a funeral means they have concrete proof. It is my opinion that if they found rope and cinder blocks then there must have been something attached to it or around it. JMO. Also I dont understand how oj’s glove knows so much about what has been going on behind the scenes in this case or how he or she knows that LE has messed this case up. How do you know that? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist do figure out that Misty knows something. She was there when Haleigh disappeared and she has never said anything that makes sense. How do you know Misty is innocent? How do you know that the “story” about the gun is even true? I really want to hear the proof behind the statements. Thanks.

Shockwave said,in April 21st, 2010 at 8:19 am Did anyone else notice how AH kept saying they have not said it was Haleigh’s bones, and then NG ignored that and kept saying they were Haleigh’s bones. Ridiculous.

NG seems to obviously want to twist any scenerio into what SHE wants it to be, not what the facts are. That is what she does. That is why she cuts people off if they don’t say what she wants to hear. I tolerate her so that I can get info on cases but it is ridiculous.

You know I think LE may have had early knowledge that Haleigh was already deceased.
In July 2009, a rumor went through Satsuma alledging that Haleigh had overdosed. First she was put in the dumpster and then removed to be put elsewhere. Aug 6th I believe 2009 Misty was suppose to have called Tommy and their parents to come and get her. Ronald and Tommy fought and Ronald went to jail. Misty took a restraining order out on Tommy and then Ron and Misty put the decapitated rat in Tommys mail box per Ronald to Tim Miller and I believe Tim is credible with this info. Soon after on August 17th 2009 PCSO relased a statement that Misty is the Key and that Ronald and Crystal were not suspects in their daughter Haleigh Cummings disappearance. Then came the failed poly, voice stress and hypnosis from Tim Miller. Sept. 21st Tommy tells LE Ron called him and wanted him to go over and check on Misty he could not reach her. Tommy puts himself there at the mh. Ronald said he and Misty had a tiff, nothing big and called Tommy to see if Misty was over there and he did not ask Tommy to go the mh. Putnam Authorities did confirm the call from Ron to Tommy at 9pm. Then we hear about a Joe Pytco and NAY NAY letters alledging a party where Haleigh OD on Oxy Contin and was disposed of by WBG story and the draining of the momndex pond. Misty taking off with Donna Brock, road rage with these two, then the divorce of Ron and Misty and Ron finding out that Donna was an informant and texts Misty warning her of who Donna really was. LE was informed of a possible overdose with Haleigh well before those letters appeared. We already know that it was not Tommy, Misty , or even Ron giving LE this info, so I wonder who it was. I do not think it was coincidental as it being Haleigh was overdosed and it lead to her death. JMO

Ron saw the hundred eyes pop out of the water. Ron did not say Joe said there would be a hundred eyes popping out of the water. That is corresct info that it was Joes first visit to Satsuma. Misty even said in her voice stress analysis that Joe did not know his way around, but if Tommy was involved so was Joe.

Does that story about the place being a good place to get rid of a body sound alot like what Amber said Ron told her about the bridge?
I think Joe and Tommy talked about the gators being there but Ron added the other part.
Joe is the patsy cant see him risking going back to jail when he just got out of Juvie a few months earlier for stealing a car. And G Hollar said Joe doesnt have any sex offenses.And he never messed with Misty, she hung around him all the time according to GH. jmo

Mistys story about the gun is flawed also because where would Joe hide a rifle to take it when he left? Its just to set Joe up for it since the police didnt go with the SO set up.
And the first gun theft I believe was Tommy,he does have 2 other gun thefts since, and well they just blamed Joe for it.jmo

errr, i keep getting kicked offline.

9:02 lfj: wow, when you put it like that. it is verrry interesting! and you are right, it seems someone has been talking, maybe even all along?

i can’t remember how we know about ronald texting misty about donna being a informant. i am thinking it was on the bald truth. hmmm.
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i have not caught up on the all the posts this week. i don’t know if it was already talked about or not, but, leonard padilla on levi said he offered money to help with the search for haleigh. and ron turned him down. i don’t know how long ago that happened. it was when they both appeared together on ng.

well i have to run. so i wish everyone to have a great day.
praying for justice for ♥haleigh♥

Obviously RC does not believe Misty is responsible for Haleigh’s death. He’s disappointed that she let a threat keep her from telling the truth. If JO did kill Haleigh over a gun, Misty would have every right to believe he would kill her too. Misty is family to JO, Haleigh is not. Could be a reason for him to let Misty and Tommy go, but not Haleigh. These are just theories of course.

ms. p it was Tim Miller that told us about the text from Ron to Misty. I do not know how long ago it was when LP was on Nancy along with Ron. LP said Ron was high on that show. He did say no matter how much money he needed to find his daughter it was accessible to him and Ron said no thank you. On that show LP said Teresa had even got in touch with him to bail out Ron as well as others including the thug lover that is in contact with Ron, but he talked with his investigators and said wait there is more to this story. I wonder if LP had a change of heart since Sunday, because on NG last night she said something about LP bonding out Ron. LP did not say that on NG though. He indicated Timmy was involved ;not Joe

Someone said a forensic anthropologist was at the site. I would assume this type of scientist would know the difference between animal bones and human bones. If it was human bones they would need DNA test to confirm they were indeed Haleigh`s. If animal, then they would realize they were fooled again by the Criminal Savvy Croslin Clan. Now it leaves me to wonder what kind of pressure they actually put on Misty or Tommy to “confess” to this scenario. What promises did they make? Did they make a deal with the devil, when you have no clue who might be responsible? I will not believe there is no plea bargaining somewhere–I believe its more along the lines “who talks first gets the prize?”

Sheriff’s Office: Bones Seen By Misty Croslin Near Satsuma Dock Were Animal Bones
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=155059&catid=3

Wow – how to twist a story!

Sheriff’s Office: Bones Seen By Misty Croslin Near Satsuma Dock Were Animal Bones

New article at First Coast News!

I woke up this morning feeling kind of sorry for Misty. Seriously. Misty publicly was protective of and had such glowing words for her Big Brother Timmy yet he has none, zero, zilch for his Baby Sister in return.

Seems like he is more of a Tiny Tim than a supportive Big Brother figure imvho.

If you saw an innocent child murdered by someone you knew you would not be afraid for your own life? I would! I would hope I would put my fear aside for the greater good though.

Misty Croslin saw bones on her recent visit to a dock along the St. Johns River, but they were not human bones, according to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.

A tip last week led investigators to conduct an intense three-day search at the Shell Harbour boat ramp south of Satsuma in Putnam County.

Haleigh Cummings has been missing since February, 2009, and Misty Croslin is the one who said she put her to bed that night.

Croslin, now jailed on drug charges, was brought in shackles to the boat ramp.

According to the sheriff’s office, divers had uncovered many bones and placed them near the dock to dry.

They were mostly deer bones, with some alligator and possibly other animal bones.

An anthropologist was on the scene to identify them.

The sheriff’s office said Croslin saw the bones as she was being led to the ramp, but at no time did investigators tell her they were human bones.

The sheriff’s office also said many of the bones were shipped to the FDLE lab for further investigation, and that some of those may be shipped on to other labs as well.

While some items have been shipped to a human remains lab in Gainesville, investigators said that was only for teaching purposes at the lab, and they do not need those items back.

The biggest news to come out of last week’s search was that Sheriff Jeff Hardy announced that his department believes Haleigh is most likely dead, but he said the search will continue until they know what happened.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=155059&catid=3

Exactly my thoughts Shockwave. Excellent post!
Or if you even had just heard or knew about it.

Granny Flora sure laid it out on the line in regards to her own personal opinions regarding her GrandChildren. If everything she says is true then the rest of the family must be in complete shame right now and I do feel sorry for the innocent family members and
I certainly give her credit for doing the right thing for standing up and being honest about everything.

Once again more lies and bogus reporting from Nancy Grace and Art Harris. Article from First Coast News just broke:

Sheriff’s Office: Bones Seen By Misty Croslin Near Satsuma Dock Were Animal Bones

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=155059&catid=3

And here is how Art plugs himself on his website about the above
“We first reported what experts say could be a major break in the case Tuesday night on CNN Headline News’ Nancy Grace Show, where the former prosecutor credited The Bald Truth, aka artharris.com, with an exclusive that offers…..”

Seriously I am just so appauled at Art Harris’s desperation to get an exclusive and all he does is regergitate things he finds our from other news sources and makes up lies and then spins it like he got this big exclusive break in the case. This guy is horrible.

The bones Misty saw the day the police took her to the river and saw some bones..they were NOT human bones they were animal bones.It’s being reported by the Florida news that the Police didn’t show Misty bones,the bones were laying on some kind of sheet and Misty saw them as she was walking onto the dock.

Sheriff’s Office: Bones Seen By Misty Croslin Near Satsuma Dock Were Animal Bones: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=155059&catid=3

looking for Justice said,in April 21st, 2010 at 10:55 am Pezzu, it seems has though we both percieved the same info about those statements.

One weird article

Shockwave said,in April 21st, 2010 at 11:12 am pezzu – it probably depends on whether they have a whole piece of a bone, or just a bone fragment. I don’t know if you read this story or not, but a while back a foot was found in Georgia or Alabama (before Caylee was found). The people who found it thought it was a human foot. Even at first glance forensics didn’t know what it was. Turned out to be a bear’s foot. I think that’s right. It was animal and not human I know for sure, and no human in the immediate area was missing.

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I also recall many-many bones being found during the Caylee search over the months that were quickly discounted as ‘human’ – don’t recall them sending em off to labs. Maybe I am not remembering right?

Which is why I come to Blogger news to get my info. This team does not fluff the 411. Get real Nancy G!

pezzu said,in April 21st, 2010 at 10:38 am

You’re exactly right…

Anthros could tell immediately if they were female, child bones. No other female child missing very likely Haleigh.

There’s no other reason for “samples” to be forwarded to other labs unless to test for DNA, Toxicology on marrow, etc.

See you all a little later. Everyone have a nice day.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6859349.php

curious said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:20 pm from that: “The agency had an anthropologist at the scene that identified all “biological” items that were recovered as being non-human.”
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So it appears they have indeed sent off the deer bones for further testing. Interesting twist!

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Have they been friends in the past? Or was there friction?

HOLLARS: Oh, yes, they`ve always been friends. Now, Misty stated that Joe had molested her when she was up here in Nashville. But she never once said anything to me about it. And she always wanted to go to his house. So, if he molested her, she must have liked it.

Say What???~eyes popping~

I think I’m starting to like Granny,she does give some comic relief in between all the varying versions of bs.
I wonder how many thousands of people’s jaws dropped on that one,it even caused Jane to have to compose herself.LOL That cracked me up.I wonder if Misty fell off her bunk. 🙂

I heard Granny say that about “Misty liking it”

I fell off the couch. Then rewound. YES she said that about Misty.

BOLDONE3 said,
I know her family members had to say,”She did not just say that.”LOL

In one story GH says Misty hit her with a board but doesnt say who said it just it came from one of them in florida. I am curious which one was it Tommy? Timmy? I cant see Hank or Lisa saying it but who knows? jmo

Boldone3
No,I doubt anyone has molested Misty,just a convenient way for her to get suspicion on someone else when she does something.

I do not think Granny is saying she thinks Misty hit Haleigh with a board. I think Granny is saying that’s what she was told. She is on TV reporting what has been told to her by Misty, Tommy, or perhaps both.

As for Misty being shown as deceptive on a test on the issue of being molested, I don’t think that means it did not happen. I do not think Misty could pass any type of psychological testing any more than she could pass a math test.

tobias said,
in April 21st, 2010 at 1:44 pm

Ron is making all these statements about Tommy and Joe fishing at the dock and Joe saying it would be a good place to get rid of a body. Then why isn the Sam HECK WOULDNT rON TELL THE le that?jmo
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how do you know he didn’t tell them?

I believe RC said on the Cobra tape he did tell about the dock,but the audio is bad and Cobra is doing most of the talking,so hard to tell.

We know he told Cobra that but we dont know if LE knew that. Wouldnt they have searched there right away if Ron said hey Joe and I had words over a stolen gun and he said that place was a good place to get rid of a body and I think you better go look there. Le would have jumped on it. They drained a pond on a drug addicts tip. I dont think he told LE anything like that. jmo

I agree, Misty was never molested by anyone. Another lie.

Someone email me when all is said and done. Due to the reports, no evidence, no bones.
IMO arrest Misty and throw away the key.
LE knows she is the one behind all this. Let them do their job, and hopefully Misty will be charged with 1st degree murder.
In the meantime, we all know nothing.

Heads up,Granny is going to be on Issues tonight,don’t be surprised if Granny doesn’t get her own reality show.Pfftttt!Geesh!!!Can we say,”Media is desperate for news.”Wonder if she’ll have photos of the three as kids,and how much will she be paid for them?News at 11:00. 🙂

WinterRose said,in April 21st, 2010 at 4:54 pm
thanks for the heads up. darn it, i missed it. but, i am checking to see if it is on the internet.

well i relistened to the flora hollars clip. i still take it as she did not believe misty was molested. not that it was okay to be molested. she prefaced that statement with an explanation why she thought joe probably did not hurt misty. also her wording may be a generational thing, not really meaning to blame the victim per se. but, i realize i don’t really know for sure what she meant.

but, i can see, she does not really know anything about the haleigh case, so i hope they don’t keep having her on for ratings.

I’ve read a lot of comments from others where they believe Misty was trying to tell the truth from the beginning and no one would listen to her. I think she is just a punk; she is arrogant and vain and probably knew no one would follow through up her theories. I’ve seen her comment several times something to the effect of I don’t know but maybe this…Who would follow up on that anyway. She was just throwing words around trying to make out like she wanted to help. If she really wanted to tell the truth she could have gotten LE to listen just by being completely truthful about what she knew; but she did not
I think she told half truths hoping it would somehow help her pass the LDT. If they asked her ‘have you told all you know’ she probably thought she could say yes and the LDT would read truthful, however when you add more to the story and twist it around, the LDT shows deception.
That girl is not innocent. She was also afraid of loosing Ron. She doesn’t love him or she would not have done this to his child or him. I think she is too young to even know what love is and it appears that she is incapable of it. Ron was just a 17 year olds meal ticket.