Earlier this morning a friend sent a rather interesting audio recording to me. It is of Tim Miller and was made after the recent search of the Shell Harbour area.
Tim has some interesting comments to make about the various searches that were conducted. There is a wealth of information in this 5 minute audio.There are several things that I found interesting in it.
For some time there has been a rumor circulating that Tim Miller was not permitted to search the St. Johns river with his side scan sonar equipment. Tim clears that situation up. Law Enforcement already had side scan radars deployed so he opted not to duplicate the effort.
Of real interest is that when Tim Miller returned to Satsuma for the second series of searches he asked Misty Croslin for some ideas for places to search. She apparently gave him a list of 4 or 5 locations. It turns out that one of them was Shell Harbour.
I think in listening to this audio you can get a real sense of Tim Millers frustration. His funding at that time was limited, he had to use his resources with care. I also get the sense that now Tim is regretting not spending the money he didn’t have!
The other thing that I picked up in this is a sense that Misty wanted to tell him where to search but in an act of self preservation gave him some red herrings as well.
Listen to the audio here.
It is a shame that no recordings exist of the conversations between Misty Croslin and Tim Miller as they might reveal a great deal. I had a lengthy discussion yesterday with Peter Hyatt, he is an expert on ‘statement analysis’ and I am sure that he could unravel the tangled knot.
Peter incidentally will be joining us on the radio next Sunday, by which time I am hoping that he will have been able to analyze some audio files that we have supplied him with.
Simon Barrett
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I have a great deal of respect for Tim Miller. I am sure he wished he had only searched that area even due to his lack of funds. He just couldn’t believe Misty due to all her lies.
He was right when he said he felt Haleigh was within a five mile radius of the home. I am sure it was hard for him to say Haleigh was deceased, but he did. He wanted to be wrong and we all wanted him to be wrong.
Will Ron be allowed to go to Haleigh’s funeral?
Interesting that Misty had already directed Tim Miller to look in that area. I don’t blame Tim Miller for not believing Misty’s stories. She had already made several conflicting statements and at what point can it be decided that she is or has told anything even close to the truth at this point?
I’m certain that if TM had the money he would have searched there.
I think we have known from the beginning that Haleigh had died just as we know Madeleine Mccann is dead.Kate Mccann rang her long time friend on the night of the 3rd May, telling of broken shutters. This was a lie, one of many.
Tim Miller had a hard job on his hands dealing with pathalogical liars is not easy.
lfj I agree with your comments about Tim Miller.
What is confusing to me though is that so far no remains from Haleigh have been found at that area?
i hope he does i believe he is innocent is he perfect no but he did not do this to haleigh
ky mom said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Will Ron be allowed to go to Haleigh’s funeral?
He will be provided that he can pay the cost of the guards and the transportation that will be incurred. He will likely have to go in prison clothes and in shackles but he will be allowed to go I believe.
Native Alien
Thanks for the info.
Tuff, to our knowledge no remains have been found. There had to be something significant to prompt that search and LE to change this to a case of homicide publicly.
Hey ky mom….I think everyone is waiting for an announcement that arrests have been made.
I was just reading the transcript from NG’s show last night…… the key points I found are that Tommy went by around 6:00 pm to smoke a joint with Misty the night Haleigh disappeared, that Tommy had two kinds of rope in the van and both were missing after that night, and that both Misty and Tommy lead LE to the river. More rope was taken from Tommy and Lindsey’s house after a recent search. Misty is pointing at Tommy and Joe, Tommy is pointing at Joe and Joe isn’t really pointing at anyone. If Joe was guilty I think he’d be pointing back at Tommy and Misty but he doesn’t appear to be doing that. Was he there that night? I think he probably was but Haleigh was already dead.
Here is my latest revised theory:
Misty is already hungover and worn out, not wanting to watch the kids. Around 6:00 Tommy stops by and smokes a joint with Misty….she feeds the kids, has the visit from Gmom delivering clean clothes, she then puts the kids to bed so she can get some sleep. She turns off the phone and prepares to go to sleep but Haleigh isn’t ready to settle down. Jr. has probably fallen asleep watching a movie but Haleigh is bouncing around and Misty grows impatient. She gives Haleigh something to make her sleep…..it seems to work and Misty goes to bed next to the kids. She awakes later that evening, perhaps to use the bathroom (always some truth in the lies) and checks on the kids… Haleigh is dead. She calls Tommy…but Lindsey has the car…so Tommy calls Timmy’s house and talks to Joe. Joe picks Tommy up and they go to the MH. They show up and Misty tells them what happened and perhaps all of the voices awakes Jr. They step into the doorway and Jr. awakes long enough to see the men in black…and hears the squeaky shoes…..Tommy carries Haleigh out to the van…they grab some of the cinder blocks from the yard…..Tommy, Joe and Misty go to the dock leaving Jr. home alone. They dispose of Haleigh and vow to one another NEVER to tell.
Misty hasn’t cracked because she knows she is guilty of drugging and ultimately killing Haleigh. The fear of murder charges are enough to keep her quiet. Tommy hasn’t cracked because he was protecting his sister. Joe hasn’t cracked because he was protecting himself….perhaps playing a very minor role of simply bringing the van to Tommy’s house….but he has been in trouble with LE before and so he keeps his mouth shut because he fears no one will believe him and he’ll go down for murder. Perhaps he even threatened to tell LE in the past and Misty pointing the finger at him to the media and LE was a warning to him to keep his mouth shut. Perhaps Misty’s 2 week visit to Cuz Joe was due in part to him threatening to talk….and she went to hush him up…with whatever means possible….giving him drugs perhaps….buying his silence.
Tommy, while guilty of disposing of the body, did not kill Haleigh….so he cracks first….afterall, he isn’t facing murder charges. With the failed LDT, being behind bars, facing drug charges and the threat by Lindsy of divorce, he caves.
Misty has the most to lose…she killed Haleigh….so she again points the finger at Joe to deflect blame. But the truth WILL come out and she will have to face justice eventually.
All of this is JUST THEORY and is my own opinion….which is subject to change without notice. lol But all of this seems to be fitting together and I believe justice WILL be served.
L4J
I think they have found something.
Wonder when Haleigh’s funeral will be?
Who do you all think Killed Haleigh?
how far did timmy and chelsea live from ron’s trailer and tommy’s trailer?
When Timmy and chelsea turned from Jacksonville, was Joe at the trailer?
What time did they return from Jackonsville?
How did joe get from Timmy’s to Tommy’s in order to be at Ron’s trailer between 4 and 7 pm?
And how did he supposedly get back to Timmy’s that night?
Does anybody know what time Chelsea went to bed?
According to reports from a tip that recieved a little girl was seen in Tennessee with a man and a woman in a red 4×4 and the man looked to be sheilding the little girl, apparently the car was taken in and searched in depth, why would they take the car in and search it thoroughly if it didn’t have something to do with Haleigh Cummings??
Another possibility is that Tommy went to the MH alone…he and Misty disposed of the body. Joe may have used the van that night but could have been for some other crime…burglary, drug sales/purchases, was driving while drunk…etc. Misty and Tommy removed the rope from the van and pointed the finger at Joe to cover their own tracks. As far as we know, no sign of Haleigh was found in that van. Joe could be completely innocent when it comes to Haleigh…he may have been up to no good that night and scratched the van…..but it is very possible he was not involved and is being set up as the fall guy for Tommy and Misty.
I don’t think Misty intentionally killed Haleigh….but she did kill her (OD’d). Tommy was just helping to clean up for his sister.
I believe it is totally up to the Judge on whether an inmate can be ‘released’ to go to a funeral. In the Casey Anthony case, she was not permitted to leave the jail to go to her daughter’s memorial or burial. Perhaps it was merely the judge’s call due to the fact that she is the one charged with the death of the child. In Ronald’s case, thus far he is not charged with anything to do with HaLeigh, so it could be possible that the Judge will allow him. However, before it came to that, I have this gut feeling Leonard Padilla would bail him out of jail!! IMO
Ky mom, I cannot say for definite who killed Haleigh. I think Haleigh had been given some kind of med for her to go to sleep. Perhaps maybe more often than we know. This time Haleigh was overdosed. I believe Misty may have administered the meds. When Haleigh reacted Misty freaked and called for help.Just not 911 due to what kind of meds that was in her system and how much. Haleigh was disposed of. The evidence was cleaned up to the best of their ability and the abduction was staged along with a story.
Wasn’t it the bald truth that he had talked to several witnesses at the bus stop that put Misty Croslin there picking up Haleigh, not Ronald Cummings, in which Nancy Grace and guest Chelsea are talking about?
Blue moon
They lived just a few miles away. when they woke Joe to tell him about Haleigh he was asleep with his clothes on according to Chelsea. Here is some archives for blogger news. http://www.bloggernews.net/120177
I sure thought we’d be farther along than this. I search for new information every day. Does anyone KNOW, not feel there is anything new on this?
BlueMoon – according to Chelsea…Timmy had been in an accident and took pain meds and crashed early….I think she got home from work after 10:00 pm (someone correct me if I’m wrong)…..Someone (my guess is Joe) took the van after she had gone to bed.
If Joe was at the MH between 4 and 7 I guess he could have been with Tommy…IDK. Tommy was there around 6 to smoke a joint with Misty (in front of and around the kids, no doubt! UGH!) Tommy could have given him a ride back to Timmy’s.
RC’s MH and Tommy were just a few houses apart but Timmy lived several miles away.
I think Misty called Tommy (she knew Timmy had been in an accident and wouldn’t be able to help dispose of a body) rather late that night. He came over and helped her dispose of Haleigh, staged the back door with a brick and told her to claim someone snuck in and snatched Haleigh. They found more of the yellow rope and Tommy’s house so he obviously didn’t need the rope from the van. Maybe he drove over to Timmy’s and got the van to use as it would hide the body better than a truck or car….Maybe Joe went with him at that point and that is when they used the rope that was in the van….just thinking out loud….
Correction…I think it was Lindsey that got home from work after 10:00….not Chelsea. Did Chelsea even work? Can’t remember. She should be on AH’s payroll now.
CC did say Ron picked Haleigh up that day. She said it was the last time she saw her. Everyone in this case lies so much. No one really knows who picked Haleigh up from the bus that day.
From what Tim Miller said, it sounds to me like Misty wanted Haleigh to be found back then, but wanted to pin blame on Cousin Joe and not on herself. In order to do this, she stated the locations as those where Joe would frequent. If she mentioned only this one spot, this might imply that she herself had knowledge that this was the correct location and that would make her seem guilty.
Too bad all the language analysts didn’t pick up on this way back then!
IMO this case is far from over. I think people are giving the Croslins way too much credit for such an elaborate scheme that fooled LE for 14 months. Why are they credible now? Why wasn`t this place searched before and Joe has been implicated early on and yet not arrested? Funny how NOW this turns into a homocide with basically the same story told early on in the investigation. What was LE waiting for? After 14 months there will be no evidence to support this story, and yet we have bought it hook, line, and sinker. I, for one, can not believe anything that has been said by the Croslins, LE, or the media. The evidence is what will speak for me–if any can be found!
I do think LE has found part of Haleigh’s body…perhaps not all…but I think they have something or they would not have told RC to plan a funeral. You need something to bury for a funeral. What would be the point of having a funeral with an empty casket at this point only for LE to eventually find Haleigh? What are they going to do, dig up the empty casket and put whatever they find in it at a later date? I don’t think so and don’t mean to be morbid or offensive. I think they are 99.9% that what they found is Haleigh but are waiting on DNA confirmation. Again, JMO….not fact…but if LE made that comment to RC the way it has been relayed to us, then they found part of Haleigh. Now, if they said…”It is possible you’ll need to plan a funeral” or “If we find what we think we’re going to, you may need to plan a funeral”, etc….then that is TOTALLY different than “You need to move forward with funeral plans”. We don’t really know at this point exactly what was said…all hearsay at this point as far as I know.
Pam at this point and time LP does not have plans to bail out Ronald. He talks about it on the Levi show from this past Sunday. I actually found the show very interesting.
When did Chelsea and Timmy suppose to go to Jacksonville?
L4J
I think you are right. I don’t think Misty meant to OD Haleigh. Misty cell records did they show she called Tommy or Timmy that night? If she didn’t then how would Tommy or Joe know to come help her out with disposing of the body?
“Misty says she called Ron at work and he rushed home. Ron called the police after getting to the house” Well if she called Ron why did he stop to get a few beers from the convenient store? Or is this another lie Misty told.
robin…the difference is before they had nothing but “someone took her”….or “maybe Joe took her..he’s crazy”..with NO physical evidence. Misty has pointed the finger before but there was no evidence to back it up.
It appears that one of the theories we’ve often discussed here is coming true. But without a dump site and evidence to support what these players said, LE couldn’t move forward on just the claims of some compulsive liars. But never before have the players taken LE to a dump site, not to mention they’ve obviously told LE what went into the water with Haleigh and LE has located those items. I believe, like us, LE has suspected this scenario all along…but they needed more than speculation and hearsay. Now they’ve got what they need and once some tests come back from the lab, you will see arrests.
This is TOTALLY different than anything before. If you don’t see that then you must not have followed this case very closely. This is not the Mondex, or the fake search. This is the recovery of evidence and possibly Haleigh.
Why would Shoemaker already out spinning the story if Ronald was innocent. “Ronald trusted Misty.” What?
Simon, who was speaking to Tim and did Tim give permission to be recorded?
Ky Mom, It has not been revealed about Mistys calls, except the one she and Ronald between 8pm and 8:30pm. It was reported that Mistys phone went off and the Putnam authorities confirmed Ronald called Tommy 30 minutes later at 9pm to ask if Misty was there because he could not reach her. I am wondering if it was this call that something was amiss with Haleigh.
KY MOM – I don’t recall Misty saying she called Ron and he rushed home. Never heard that before. I don’t think Ron had a clue until he pulled up and Misty came out of the MH asking him if Haleigh was with him. Only then did they call 911.
If Misty has since made this statement about calling RC, then can you point me to the link?
It has been obvious Misty has been lying because she hasn’t been able to keep the story straight. Always new little details that confict with prior statements. It has been OBVIOUS she knew more, and was hiding something. This may kill OJ’s Glove when charges are filed against Misty! 😆
The problem with this case, in my opinion, is anyone of these drug addicts could be the killer and I don’t think one of them looks any guiltier or any more innocent than the next one.
Even Misty’s ‘rehearsed 911’ doesn’t mean she even had anything to do with it — maybe she wasn’t even there — Ron had just beat the crap out of her so if she had taken off at 8 o’clock and someone else came in while she was gone — ya think she was going to tell Ron she just got home? Seems like all we know for sure is Tommy knew where Haleigh’s body was. JMO
Some people learn to survive by lying. Misty appears to me to be a person who has lied her way through life. I think this goes way back to childhood and her not having anyone she could trust or confide in.
Misty began giving subtle hints some time ago but her lies in the initial days made her not credible. I think she may have wanted to give a lot more info long ago but was feeling people out to see who might help her and who might hurt her. It’s no surprise Misty wouldn’t be forthcoming with LE; she does not trust authority figures.
I wonder if Misty might have come to feel that she could speak truthfully to someone like Tim Miller had she had enough time one-on-one with him, without pressure or input from others.
I am no psychology expert so certainly I do not know this to be the case, but it is my opinion.
Ky I meant to say that was Ronalds statement as to why he called Tommy at 9pm. If Lyndsey was at school til 10- 10:15pm that night and Hank Sr. and Lisa Croslin was in Gainsville at Shands Hospital who watched Tommys kids for him to go check on Misty per his statement between 9:30 – 9:45pm?
Why would Shoemaker be out and about rewriting history if ron was innocent? “Ronald trusted Misty.” What???
Simon, who was on the phone with Tim and did Tim give this person permission to record?
JB I remember Misty saying she went to grab her phone to call Ronald but he was pulling up in the drive way. I heard another time that she had called Ron but he did not answer. Not sure which one is truthful if any.
liberty
I’m sure that Simon would not record someone with out their knowledge . JMO
lfj – I’m sure LE knows the truth as they’ve checked the phone logs. Someday soon we’ll all know the truth….but my theory…about the only one I have left is that Misty gave Haleigh drugs to get to her go to sleep and she OD’d….Tommy helped her dispose of the body. Ron was not involved….although I’ve stated MANY times that I do hold him somewhat responsible because he CHOSE to have Misty watch his children knowing she was a druggie, immature, had just been MIA for three days doing drugs, alcohol and GAWD knows what, and he himself had a drug issue. If he had made better choices Haleigh would still be alive. Perhaps if Crystal could have gotten her act together and been a real mother, things would be different. But even if Crystal was drug free, this all happened at RC’s house with the choices HE made so my finding fault with Crystal is far less than with Ron for that reason.
JB you and I both seem to think Haleigh was overdosed to go to sleep. I cannot say Ron was involved for sure, but I am still suspicious that he may have known what happened, not that he actually committed the crime. I do not believe Ronald would intentionally hurt Haleigh. Im just not sure if this is what they would do to get haleigh to sleep so they could do what they wanted.
I think they are using Joe as an escape goat. But time will tell. You know I could be wrong. I thought when they showed him on TV his tears were real. I have never seen Tommy cry over Haleigh. And Misty tears are very fake to me. Of course this is just all my opinion. I feel sorry for Lindsy and the kids she has been betrayed by her husband. I think Timmy knew all the details of that night. Misty is very close to Timmy but not so much Tommy. JMO
Ky Mom Timmy is on my radar as well.
JB–I have followed this case closely and found this search no different than the others besides who sent them there. I just don`t buy everything LE says as gospel–not until there is hard evidence to back it up. When has a known thief and drug addict told the truth? Its mind boggling that people buy that Tommy is now credible! Just because LE has now come out after months of silence to state some sound bites for media consumption, does not make what they are saying true! Their agenda is suspect, as well as Tommy and Misty.
Lindsy, put on her youtube site that her and LP sre meeting on the 23rd about certian matters.Then she starts Putting very unkind things agout Jan and Simmon . She sure has bitter tongue,she not the person I took her for.Oh and the yellow rope she remarked on that.
Simon,an Jan now it seems Misty had actualy been trying to help/show them places all along.From the beginning ,yet not one person paid one bit of attention to her.But if they had listened,an if Haliegh was truly dumped in that river spot.She could have been found earlier.
Investigators,Tim Miller ,Family ,no one listened to this child like girl.Its a damn shame.Yet everyone holler crusify her.I have not now,or ever believed Misty murdered Haliegh.Maybe an accident an she paniced.But i find,in her messed up way of telling ,she was trying to help,all along.tOMMY WAS THE ONE WHO HELD THE KEY
Stress,an the trama of what happened,love for her dad,an family,love for Ron,an his mother.Fear of what all the families would think of her.An fear of prison.All balled into one.
What i see is a child keeping a child,who loved children from all accounts.Just got home from going off for 3 days,on a party.(an i dont belive all i heard about that)I think she was happy to be home,back with Ron,An she was in the home in the bed,when these 2 rolled in.
The plan if there was one could have been concocted about the gun while she was mad,at Ron,an beacuse of being high ,or mad then she may have forgot about it whan she got back with Ron not knowing Those boys were comming by that night.An when they did waking her things just got out of hand.Or they just picked the lock an took her for other reasons.
Could they have started fighting in the trailor about it,thats how the knife was pulled? If Joe/Tommy took Haliegh in front of her,could she have waited thinking he/they were bluffing,an was going to bring her back? Not believing he was going to harm her? Could things have been in the house making her scared to call the law,like guns,dope? An she waited For Ron,because she didnt know what to do.
She most likly have been taught to distrust the law,an even more when she got with Ron who she also didnt want to get in trouble,for the
illegal things that may have been around the home.
What i find in this case,is that it could have been avoided,if someone had paid attention to all these young people,an placed them some where when they first saw signs of drug addictions.Haliegh may be here today.If a DRUG Task force had cleaned Satsuma/Putnam county up before Haliegh fell to this fate.Or D CHILDREN SERVICES WOULD HAVE DONE THEIR JOBS.
But i will never believe Joe untill he takes a LDT,like all the rest.An if he had already taken one Im sure His Attorny would have been screaming it from the roof top.Or on NG where they all run to be seen.He would have said.My client has taken a polly,an had been cleared because he passed the test.But that hasnt happened,an i doupt at this stage he will take one.I believe Joe was there involved in this crime,if way bch when Tim was there.Misty was showing him places,an showed him this same spot.
I aways wanted them to search again,an i even got vexed when Tim pulled out.What could we have done were just the voices crying out for Haliegh
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An we dont know Joe,But Misty does,an her Grandmother,does ,an he may be a mean muther /crazy when stoned. An they may be scared of him.
I knew a man when he got high/drunk someone always got hurt.He was mean/an cruel as a rattle snake!!! an knew how to work the system to his advantage.a mans body was found when they drained a old pond in where they call the NECK SC,right near where PEE WEE Gasking did all his serial killing (i knew that crazy bas—d to) But this wasnt a murder he did,any way the man was found bound,an under that deep water,he was found by accident/they wernt draining looking for a body .
We all believe Ill say (J) murdered this man,even law believed he did,but had nothing to tye him to it, it couldnt be proven.Most of the time the law,couldnt pin anything on him.Even when everyone knew he did the violence,many were to scared to tell,after he hurt them.He terrorized them.
Im so very tired of the Bad Misty,an Those boys couldnt have done nothing.Misty Ring leader syndrome,untill i could puke!!
Misty is the ring leader – Misty was ‘in charge’ of all those dope deals…. what in her 6 years of education convinced Misty she could fool a forensic hypnotist? She murdered Haleigh, made up the story for 911 etc… WHY would she allow them to be put her under hypnosis? Could she have been that confident in fooling the examiner?
So this just proves all along Misty was trying to show Tim,an Other where Joe may have dumped Haliegh.I did get vexed when Tim pulled out,an didnt search more.I do understand money issues.No body Listened To her.Its crusify Misty syndrome make me ill,when she may have not harmed Haliegh.Just a scared at that time just turned 17 yr old.Who by all accounts now was trying to tell them all,of them all along.An NO ONE LISTENED.An Haliegh cant be found now.I find the ones in athority ,made many mistakes in this investigation.search,an other areas.At least Tim was man enough to admit he failed to listen,an search.I want to here investigators admit they didnt listen either,an they to failed Haliegh.
Joe hasnt been given a LDT,or his Attorny surly would have cleared the air with that on NG an on other news,.I will never believe Joe untill he takes one.Prove it Joe if your innocent,simple as that.Tommy i dont trust either,hes a sneaky thief,an knows how to break in places
Misty woke up and Haleigh was gone..period! She told her suspicions about joe and tommy as early as the voice test. She knew tommy was mad about the fight over the gun and joe who was with tommy that day was wacky enuf to do something like this. Misty only had suspicions and has been telling the TRUTH the whole time!LE bungled this trainwreck of a case from the beginning by focusing everything on misty.
Blue Moon said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:51 am Wasn’t it the bald truth that he had talked to several witnesses at the bus stop that put Misty Croslin there picking up Haleigh, not Ronald Cummings, in which Nancy Grace and guest Chelsea are talking about?
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bald “truth” said there were witnesses that said Ron picked HaLeigh up, and witnesses that said Misty picked her up. Ron, Misty, Chelsea, Teresa and LE all said RON picked her up.
and calls or letters made to grandma hollar or anyone else are the result of the TORTURE like pressure LE has subjected them too. Anyone will say anything to stop the TORTURE!
What kind of mother/father continues to support the killer of their CHILD?!
Why isn’t Ronald IRATE at Misty?
I thought I read a NG transcript and in it TN said she picked Haleigh up at the bus stop that day. Than there is Ron saying he picked her up. Why the different stories?
MC and others are in prison because they sold drugs. They are not being tortured. They just think they will get out earlier on a plea deal. Get real!
Romewi said,in April 20th, 2010 at 1:20 pm I thought I read a NG transcript and in it TN said she picked Haleigh up at the bus stop that day. Than there is Ron saying he picked her up. Why the different stories?
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Nope, that transcript is incorrect, listen to the clip, Teresa says Ron picked her up
& has Crystal commented on any of this… and where is Junior?
I haven’t seen comments from Crystal, Junior is with her, until Ronald gets out
OJ – how do you explain all of Misty’s fluncked lie detector tests then?
So now everybody is convinced that the Shell Harbor PUBLIC boat ramp is where Haleigh’s body was dumped?
I seriously doubt it, but HEY…at least they’ll get a chance to see some albino peacocks while they’re out there. They still have the peacocks, don’t they?
Jan 57 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Uh, Jan57…Misty has said SO many things and pointed in SO many directions how the heck was ANYONE supposed to know which direction to go in? And WHY is it always LE’s fault? They didn’t commit this crime! If you want to be angry, be angry at these useless drugged up, thieving yahoos that killed Haleigh! THAT is where you anger should reside! LE has been TRYING to solve this case but the criminals have done everything in their power to throw LE off. If LE hadn’t locked these losers up for yet MORE crimes they committed, we’d STILL be waiting for a break in the case!
I don’t know how ANYONE can support and defend this murdering, lying, sacks of poop! Why is it always someone else’s fault. Child services, the State, the County, LE….how about blaming the criminals for a change!?
Well were you a that trailor the night Haliegh went missing? So how the —- would you know who did what,or how Haliegh died,its all speculation at this point.All we know is Halieghs gone all 3 were somehow involved,Joe has been pointed at to be the actual murder,an i believe her,anyone who would tell on her own brother ,an we now find out he was involved,then i belive her when she says Joe was to.
Putnam Co. Sheriff’s Capt. Dick Schauland and Ronald Cummings both stated that Ronald was the on who picked up Haleigh that day. Since then, many others have given other statements.
Who really knows? Heck, if a straight answer ever came from anyone of the principles involved in the case, I’d ask the Governor to declare a flippin’ holiday.
Back to the beach…..
Because Ron has been with Misty,he knows how she treated his children,TN said the children loved her.So he just maynot belive she murdered Haliegh.An wishes she would have trusted him enough to tell him what happened.
He cares for the girl,an Loved his children.No body ever thinks something like this will happen tho their child,no matter their lifestyle.I know when our 2 yr old loved one was murdered,i did not belived everything i heard either.If i knew the person ,an seen how they were with my babies.
Do you think LE tells everyone everything? Every small minor detail?
No.
So, Jan, you say you believe anyone that would tell on their own brother?
The same person that put a restraining order on her bother. That sold DRUGS with her brother?
Are you kidding me?
She lies so much, she believes her lies.
Can’t ANYONE tell who is lying anymore.
Everyone is good at one thing & that’s POINTING Fingers!
I’m still wondering why Ronald would still support Misty. That INNOCENT poor baby didn’t deserve that & it’s the mom/dad’s responsiblity to make it happen.
Period. End of Story.
Not Granmammys… Not the neighbor.. not the babysitter.. the MOM & FATHER.
Lame.
Blue Moon said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 11:42 am
how far did timmy and chelsea live from ron’s trailer and tommy’s trailer?
When Timmy and chelsea turned from Jacksonville, was Joe at the trailer?
What time did they return from Jackonsville?
How did joe get from Timmy’s to Tommy’s in order to be at Ron’s trailer between 4 and 7 pm?
And how did he supposedly get back to Timmy’s that night?
Does anybody know what time Chelsea went to bed?
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I guess it depends on what story was told.They supposedly lived in Crescent City which is about 14 miles away but Friday night on NG she said they lived 3 miles away.
I believe Joe said he went to hospital that night,so I assume it was with them.
Who said Joe was at the trailer between 4 and 7, never heard that before. Tommy was at the trailer that after with the kids.
Chelsea said 14 months ago they stayed up late working on insurance papers, seems like it was around 1 because they only had been in bed a few hours before Misty called saying Haleigh was gone but Friday night she said Timmy took a pain pill and went to bed early and she stayed up late..
TJ Hart said,in April 20th, 2010 at 1:46 pm Putnam Co. Sheriff’s Capt. Dick Schauland and Ronald Cummings both stated that Ronald was the on who picked up Haleigh that day. Since then, many others have given other statements.
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People don’t want to believe that for some reason.
Since everyone else is throwing it out there, here’s my theory (is anyone keeping odds on all the different theories at this point??? lol):
1. Haleigh OD’d on pills. Maybe she thought they were candy and just ate them herself. Maybe Misty gave them to her, either way its irrelevant at this point (except in sentencing).
2. Misty discovered Haleigh was dead and panicked. She called Tommy and together they disposed of the body. This is why she avoided answering the phone. It may also account for Tommy saying that Misty wasn’t at the trailer that night. It may also account for the blankets.
3. Misty staged the MH and when Ron came home, she claimed Haleigh disappeared. Ron is the one who made her call 911. Even in her 911 call, its obvious she knows something because she is setting up her alibi before she even mentions that Haleigh has “disappeared.” I think Ron was clueless that anything had happened before he came home.
4. Ron may have guessed that Misty or even Tommy was involved in Haleigh’s disappearance but has no proof. Maybe he married Misty to keep her close and keep trying to get the truth out of her. Maybe he already has suspected she’s dead and just wants her body. Getting irate or violent with Misty isn’t going to get his little girl back. It will only distance Misty from him and along with her goes his chances to get Haleigh or her body back.
5. I think Misty & Joe concocted the story that Joe was involved. Misty has made no bones that she doesn’t like Joe and thinks he’s a “jerk.” Tommy has simply covered for her by backing up her story. Saves his own butt too if he is guilty of helping Misty dispose of the body.
TJ Hart said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Putnam Co. Sheriff’s Capt. Dick Schauland and Ronald Cummings both stated that Ronald was the on who picked up Haleigh that day. Since then, many others have given other statements.
Who really knows? Heck, if a straight answer ever came from anyone of the principles involved in the case, I’d ask the Governor to declare a flippin’ holiday.
Back to the beach…..
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THANK YOU!!!!! I have said it over and over till I’m blue in the fingers 😀 The transcript was posted here a few months ago but it was deleted. I read the transcripts, I heard Capt. Schauland say it with my own 2 ears and I heard TJ confirm it on the radio shows a few months back. The transcript if posted over at the monkey cage by an OSPainter if one wants to dig for it.
I will blame the criminal, when and if we find out who that actually is. Right now the blame game is being played without evidence. When the evidence proves who the culprits are, then the full blame will rest with them and the people who hid it for 14 months. Until then, no one knows who to blame, not even LE.
I can explain the flunked test.Its all in the reader.SHE WAS UNDER EXTREAM MENTAL STRESS,AN SHE THOUGH SOMETHING HAD TOOK PLACE IN HER MIND.SO WHEN ASKED AN SHE SAID NO,IT WENT OFF.BUT IT DOENT MEAN SHE WAS IN COMPLETE LIES.IT MEANS THESE QUESTIONES CAUSED STRESS.AN WHY WOULDNT THEY.HALIEGH WAS MISSING,AN SHE WAS BEING ACCUSED,BY ALL.SHE BELIEVED HER BROTHER,AN JOE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.bUT SHE COULDNT PROVE IT.
Jan 57 – well, the fact that Misty has repeatedly lied and contradicted herself was the FIRST red flag. And I’m not saying she intentionally killed Haleigh either but I DO believe, at this point, with the info we have, that she was responsible for Haleigh’s death (OD Theory).
Misty has lied because she was responsible. She has pointed at others to deflect attention from herself. Tommy lied because he helped dispose of the body. So far there is nothing to say that Joe was involved although I have one theory that puts him on the dock with Tommy.
Ron may act the way he does because he may have drugged Haleigh in the past too….in an effort to get her to go to sleep. Misty may have just done what she saw Ron do in the past. So he may not be quick to judge and show anger….in fact, he may have guessed or found out a long time ago this is how Haleigh died. Would explain his “lack of shock or emotion” AND why he has supported Misty…she could have thrown it in his face that she did the same thing he had done a million other times (drugging Haleigh) and threatened to tell on him….or she could have a LOT of other info on Ron and if he publically denounces her, she might just throw him under the bus as well (because she’s done it to everyone else).
No one says Misty abused the kids (well, unless you count the smoking pot around them, getting wasted around them while they’re in your care, using HORRIBLE language and subjecting them to violence, etc.). But IF she drugged Haleigh it was for her own benefit (because Misty was hungover, tired, stoned, etc) and she is ultimately responsible for Haleigh’s death.
Hypervigilant said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
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I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH YOUR THEORY! There are several of us here that are on this same line of thinking. Of course it is only theory based on what we know but it certainly fits. I think your theory is as spot on as can be with what we know. And no, I’m not keeping odds or track of all the theories I alone have had much less everyone elses! LOL 😆
JB,i just feel good investigators would have gleened from what this girl was saying.An did some arresting sooner,an got to the bottom of this case.Not saying all are wrong.But as i wrote about my families experence on another thread.With LElooking at my family as the murderers of our much loved 2 yr old.An never would listen to what we said an who we thought the true killer was.MEDIA ATTACTS ,LIE,GOSSIP.aN IN THE END.THEY INFACT FOUND OUT WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG.AN FINALY ARRESTED THE TRUE MURDERER,AN LEFT US ALONE.BUT THE DAMAGE WAS ALREADY DONE.lOST JOBS,MUCH COUNSELING,NO TIME FOR US TO GREIVE. IT WAS AWFUL,AN IF THEY HAD JUST LISTENED!!! I FEEL MANY DID NOT LISTEN IN THIS CASE. sorry for the caps,dont feel like rewritting it.
Jan 57 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 1:56 pm Because Ron has been with Misty,he knows how she treated his children,TN said the children loved her.So he just maynot belive she murdered Haliegh.An wishes she would have trusted him enough to tell him what happened.
He cares for the girl,an Loved his children.No body ever thinks something like this will happen tho their child,no matter their lifestyle.I know when our 2 yr old loved one was murdered,i did not belived everything i heard either.If i knew the person ,an seen how they were with my babies.
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Even Crystal said her kids loved Misty.
My theory is that Haleigh walked in on Misty doing something with someone (perhaps sexual favours for a drug payment from her prior 3 days of partying and drug binge). This caused Misty to panic and become enraged…fearing the child could at anytime tell Ron what she saw, she hit her hard on the head or choked her. Then, she called Tommy to help her.
I’m still not sold on what Cousin Joe’s involvement was, but I don’t believe he killed her. If anything, Joe was with Tommy when Misty called him, and he became involved that way.
I can see that Eva, but I think the person may have been Tommy jmo
JB said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:16 pm Hypervigilant said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
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I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH YOUR THEORY! There are several of us here that are on this same line of thinking. Of course it is only theory based on what we know but it certainly fits
JB — If Misty was setting up an alibi when she called 911 what did Ron say — “I JUST GOT HOME FROM WORK” sounds like an alibi to me… and almost every interview for the next month he repeated his alibi.
Does anyone know what Ron did at work? I’ve known many people who have snuck out of work, went back and punched out or had someone punch them out – is this possible?
I don’t know if anyone has said why Ron beat the crap out of Misty on the previous Friday — but could it have been worse than ‘letting his daughter get stolen’? And he doesn’t even get mad at her — he marries her? Too many questions.
I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.
Someone send me link to Lindsy’s youtube channel please. I found it the other day but for some reason I can’t find it now… Thanks much appreciated…..
I personally believe that Teresa Neves is guilty of something, possibly the killing, definately in on the cover up. This whole town knows what happened to this little girl. It’s a VERY small community and they’re all dirty as they can be in my opinion. I personally believe law enforcement is involved in the cover up as well. The FBI should go door to door and interview EVERYONE and start this investigation from scratch. Old ladies are especially in the know. The whole town is full of drugs and drug dealers. Wonder how Ron has been arrested so many times in the past and has gotten away with it, no jail time, charges dropped???? I smell home cookin’. They need outsiders in there to start a real investigation to bring justice to this little girl. It’s just sick. Again, this is just my opinion.
ky mom said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm Someone send me link to Lindsy’s youtube channel please. I found it the other day but for some reason I can’t find it now… Thanks much appreciated…..
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I’m pretty sure that’s not Lindsy’s
curious said
I didn’t see any marks on her.
pezzu…. I said I agreed with the theory. Misty overdosed Haleigh, Tommy helped her cover it up. I can’t even begin to rationalize RC’s behavior. It has been suspect since day one but none of the evidence, as we know it now, points to him. I can’t explain why he married her (other than he may have feared statutory rape charges)….nor can I explain his lack of emotion now. I’ve said all along that I didn’t know why he was sticking so close to Misty and why he didn’t grill her for info. We aren’t even remotely close to this investigation and most of us thought Misty at least knew more than she was telling or was involved. Why didn’t he see it and why didn’t he beat the truth out of her (not that I would condone that)….but with his temper, I’ve NEVER understood his actions.
Could he have snuck out of work? I’ve thought that but everyone keeps telling me that LE verified he was there all night. I’ll be the first one to say “AHA, I THOUGHT SO” should LE at some point say Ron was someone involved in her death or the subsequent cover-up. But right now…I’ve got nothing to substantiate that.
ky mom said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
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I don’t believe that BS
Fact 1: We now know Misty has been lying or not saying anything about what happened even though she knew. Before we knew what we know now she said that if she knew where Haleigh was she would say so.
Fact 2: Now that Cousin Joe has been brought into the possible array of perps, he has also reportedly said that if he knew where Haleigh was he would say.
Am I the only who thinks this is a red flag?
robin said,in April 20th, 2010 at 12:05 pm IMO this case is far from over. I think people are giving the Croslins way too much credit for such an elaborate scheme that fooled LE for 14 months. Why are they credible now? Why wasn`t this place searched before and Joe has been implicated early on and yet not arrested? Funny how NOW this turns into a homocide with basically the same story told early on in the investigation. What was LE waiting for? After 14 months there will be no evidence to support this story, and yet we have bought it hook, line, and sinker. I, for one, can not believe anything that has been said by the Croslins, LE, or the media. The evidence is what will speak for me–if any can be found!
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I agree, hook line and sinker…I am waiting for the fat lady to sing! No one at this time knows what the truth is not even the families IMO.
The only Lindsy you tube channel I have seen was a fake one. A very, very obvious fake.
Jan 57 – sorry for your loss and what you went through. I can see why your interactions with LE might leave a bad taste in your mouth. But I think LE (including the FBI and others) have been diligent in trying to get to the bottom of this. But because of all the family circus sideshows of fighting, stealing, burglarizing, doctor shopping, drug dealing, drug use, forgery, road rage and CONSTANT lies, it has made LE’s job MORE than difficult. Until I see some wrong doing on the part of LE, I’m going to put my faith in them because the alternative is to put my faith in those responsible for Haleigh….and from what I’ve seen, they can’t be trusted. They are chronic criminals and will lie to save themselves. Even the way Misty says “that girl” or “that little girl” or “her” shows callous and that she has distanced herself….she doesn’t call her “Haleigh”…and she always spoke in past tense when she spoke of her. Misty has shown SO many signs of doing a cover-up that LE would have been nuts NOT to focus on her. Her stories never checked out. She was caught in numerous lies. Her words and body language have been very telling since day one….IMVHO
Some of your theaorys may wind up being true.But with what i see ,is when Misty ried to show Tim,they did not listen,If it was told to LE that joe wasnt in the bed in the beginning LE did not listen.From experence.When something like this happens people are so scrambled brained ,they sometimes say off the wall sXXX.(sorry)
My Niece was so scrambled from finding her baby dead,between her twins.That she flipped,an what she said didnt make sence,she to failed a LDT. An we were so crazy with drief,we none made sence.An the effects of a shody investigation,an what we went through for it,we still feel the effects 110 yrs late.BUT IN THE END WHAN HER TRAMA STRICKEN MIND,AN THE EVIDENCE WE DUG UP FROM OUR PI.The real killer was arrested,an recived LWOP,Should have been the DP for the brutalness of the crime.
So from experence i see many blunders in this case of Haliegh,she was a preciouc child an should have been here to enjoy this beautiful spring.An to grow up an marry,an have her own children.
But things arnt always as they seem.An if im wrong about the players ill be the first to admit it.But a junkie/drug addict doesnt use a $10/20 pill,an thats the going rate for roxys,an oxys.Haliegh could have ingested something thinking it was candy.Pills are tan,
blue /green /pink according to brand,an dose.They could look like candy to a child.They are to valuable to a druggie.INVESTIGATORS HAVE TO GET ON THESE DRUG ADDICTS LEVELS,AN UNDERSTAND THE HOWS,AN WHY THEY ACTED LIKE THEY HAVE.
Following this story for well over the past year has been so frustrating. I feel so horrible over the fate of this beautiful little girl and given the group involved, many times I’ve felt like screaming at the tv while watching NG. I think everyone posting here has very good theories and raise excellent points. I hope, for respect and justice for Haleigh that those guilty, whoever it is and for whatever reason, get what they deserve!
Would somone tell me how to get to Lindsys utube site? Thans before hand for the help
Ky Mom,Youll probably get the answer i did,LC told me to stop watching N/G Tommy is innocent,lol
I wish someone would just get off their arse and get this done!
Why do you people insist on burning Ronald Cummings at the stake ?
If your child was abducted and/or murdered, and the story made national news………How many skeletons would be brought out of YOUR closet ?
What I’m saying is that Ronald Cummings lifestyle is not subject to your “anonymous” approval. He certainly doesn’t appear to be the best role model on the planet, nor the best parent…………But he just lost his 5 yr old little girl. THAT DESERVES AND COMMANDS YOUR RESPECT !!!!!!!
Next time you post negatives about Ronald Cummings maybe you should include your home address? We’ll see how much your opinion changes then.
http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN sorry hope this works
fact is he married her didn’t he?
Any thoughts on Tommy and Misty having sex comment that Cobra made on the show Sunday? I wouldn’t put anything past Misty and Ron didn’t seem to upset to lean his woman had spent the prior weekend with another man. Also wasn’t there a tape of some crazy woman saying that Misty and her friend had sex with several men and more than one at a time in some hotel? If this is true Ron has to have some knowledge of it.
sec Jan,Ill get it for ya!
I just rewatched NG from Friday.
1.Why did Chelsea have to borrow the van?
2.She does corraborate Ron’s claims that HE picked up Haleigh from School that day, I’m assuming she’s talking about the last day she saw her, BUT, why does Chelsea have to include or say 1st, RON HAD HIS WINDOWS ROLLED UP? WTH? Ha Ha, it reminds me of Misty blurting out “blankets”.
3. Okay, ummm, so sweet for Joe to say “I can’t imagine what their going through”, but then he immediately says, “I didn’t do it.”
Geez he sure he said it fast too. Why would anyone jump and say that after a sympathetic statement? “Oh,so sorry ur cat got run over, I DIDNT DO IT?!” Cmon, guys, throw me a clue.
Where’s the Hyatt guy? Talk about Analysis……!!!!!!!!!!!
JB i dont doupt they have been trying.I just see things that i believe could have been done sooner.MOP from watching,an going through it.But at least something is happening now 14 months later.This has been truly a trying case.
The one who killed Haleigh sits in jail on drug charges and that is the father. When you try to create a LIE your subconscious will slip up and speak out loud. There was an interview taken with reporters the afternoon of 2/10/09 where the father’s suconscious slips up and says “I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”. Right there the father KNEW Haleigh was already dead at the time of the interview. And the father knew he just slipped up , went back to his fake crying and his mother had to continue to talk. His voice changes again and he continues the LIE. Also in the interview , the father says a few times “she was gone just like that.” , which brings me to my theory of what happened. The ex-newlyweds were arguing all day because of the ex-bride’s weekend getaway. After the father picked Haleigh up from her bus stop and went home the argument escalated. Haleigh tried to step in and the father hit her causing a severe injury. The father had to leave for work and left Haleigh in the care of the ex-bride. Her condition got worse and the ex-bride was directed by the father not to go to the ER because then she would have to explain Haleigh’s injury. The ex-bride may of played doctor and gave her some pills , but Haleigh later died. Under the direction of the father she had to dispose of the body and this is where her brother and maybe the cousin get involved. At this point , this is where the original LIE begins.
To listen to the interview of where the father subconsciously admits his guilt copy this – Haleigh Cummings Fathers Emotional Interview – go to YouTube and paste it in the search box. The father’s admission of guilt is at the 1:04 mark. Listen and you decide. The lie has been there since day one !!!
sec Jan,Ill get it for ya! This is a link but my history is gone,lol but itll direct u i think Jan!
jan57: backspace the – lines
ht-tp://www.you-tube.com/user-/LindsyLPN
Love ya’ Jay!!! Sign the petition.
EVERYBODY SIGN THAT PETITION. IT WILL BE SENT TO THE COURT.
Jay…I don’t post my home address but people like you scare me just a bit.
I do feel bad for Ron and his loss….but DANG IT! If he would have grown up, put down the drugs and made better choices in the people he surrounded himself and his children with, Haleigh would be alive. This, from most appearances, wasn’t some freak sneaking in and abducting Haleigh. From appearances, it was the people HE chose to entrust with the care of his children that took his child’s life….and he KNEW Misty was a druggie…heck, so was RC. It is all about life choices.
If a parent leaves a loaded pistol laying out and even lets his kids play with it and a child dies, would you fault that parent? I WOULD! RC left a hungover, drugged up pot head 17 YO (the loaded gun) who didn’t want to babysit in charge of his children. One of those children died. So do I fault RC? YES! Do I feel bad for him and his loss? YES! But it didn’t have to happen. This wasn’t a freak accident, SO abduction, this was careless and reckless behavior by the father in entrusting the care of his children to Misty. Simple as that.
jan57: paste this in the address bar after the double slashes
http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN
curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.
It is in the interview with ‘white boy Gregg’ and Art Harris – you can find it on youtube. He say Misty told him her and Ron broke up cause he was beating her up [jumping on her]
jan57: go to utube and paste this in the address bar after the .com
user/LindsyLPN
http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN
I am having problems bad! Thats the direct link Jan!
heyitsmekelly said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Thats exactly what I said at that time!
hmmm thats the 1st time my link worked.
Thought they were disabled 🙂
I apologize for going off topic here. The inhuman treatment of children has shaken me up today. I strongly believe this case has so shocked people some laws will be changed as a result. Laws to protect all children.
No sooner is one horrible case of adults inhumane treatment of children solved-another arises.
This has to be the worst case of the murder/torture of a child I’ve seen. Please, if you have an FB account please add this more than worthwhile cause im the hopes laws will be changed.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-for-Dominick-Calhoun/111166185582195?ref=mf
Dominick RIP
Haleigh (unknown to date)
Caylee RIP
Why is it that no one thinks one/or both of these 2 men could have murdered Haliegh,they had no ties to her like Misty.Tommy seem to could have cared less about his,even when Lindsey was telling him how sick his children were.An nothing had happened untill this out sider Joe came to town.
I also think they have the body,
I am wondering also why Linsay threw tc boots away?
Don’t suppose you could get your pal Peter Hyatt to have a butchers at the McCanns and their pals statements?
curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:31 pm ky mom said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm Someone send me link to Lindsy’s youtube channel please. I found it the other day but for some reason I can’t find it now… Thanks much appreciated…..
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Anyone w/ a speck of brain would know that is not her’s.
The fact that this site allows people to say such hideous, unproven, theoretical and speculative bulls hit about another person is quite disturbing. The man lost his child and now he has to be exposed to anonymous wimps slandering him on a whack ass website that requires no accountability from its so-called users.
This is foul.
could lindsay have given the boots to LE and was just covering her rear in case tommy got released?
Me, too, CathyJo63. And some people said that Lindsey said she threw Timmy’s away too. If that’s true, how and why would Lindsey have Timmy’s boots? Timmy and Chelsea moved away last year!
Jay if you don’t like the site leave. We are here for Haleigh not Ron. Ron should have been there for Haleigh and this would not be an issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc
Lets not forget this one!
Jay said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:09 pm The fact that this site allows people to say such hideous, unproven, theoretical and speculative bulls hit about another person is quite disturbing. The man lost his child and now he has to be exposed to anonymous wimps slandering him on a whack ass website that requires no accountability from its so-called users.
This is foul.
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This is not the only place it is happening. And it’s no use to try and use logic, it is lost on those that *want* and *need* RC to be guilty for some sick reason.
Jay, the sad fact is that R has been “exposed to anonymous wimps slandering him” as you so quaintly put it, by a lot of people for the past 14 months on a LOT of websites. And some don’t even care if he did it. They still put the blame on him because he was dating M.
Cathy I put the address above but repost it. http://www.youtube.com/user/LindsyLPN
Romewi said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:11 pm Jay if you don’t like the site leave. We are here for Haleigh not Ron. Ron should have been there for Haleigh and this would not be an issue.
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Maybe if she had a Mother that gave a shit it wouldn’t have happened either.
My comment on the sex deal Cobra reported on.Is hog wash.No teen girl wants her brother pumpping up on her.An to say she used that for minpulation.I was scocked.BUT why should i be ,lol it came from a man.I like Cobra,but that disgusted me.Hes never been a victim of rape/molestation/or incest!!
Jay,alot of ppl lose someone they love,and sometimes it is by the person we knew as family,so i reast my case,he is no different,Haleigh is a child???
JAN 57, I just posted on the other site, so I’m coming over here now. I was responding to something TOBIAS had said, about all the doubting coming out now about them.
Where have ya’ll been, cuz I’ve been saying this all along!! But I got the feeling everytime I posted something along those lines, everyone said I was barking up the wrong tree!!
Yes, u have a great point, we need to remember, these CROSLINS are in no way related to the Cummings. (only by the short marriage) and Misty and Ron had been dating only since Sept 08.)
And yes Tobias, I know I’m dreaming, I just can’t help it, I just love my Ron! Call me Nancy and slap me silly!!
Now, if ya’ll come over to my side, I am promising some more Croslin family fun facts…..
Linda I looked for the youtube video you described of lindsay croslin talking about LP, rope, and bashing the barretts would you post a link please?
Jay said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
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Jay i do like your posts but i would like to see you post more.TY
It seems as though the majority of these bloggers have had a real live Murder Mystery on their hands and are doing an excellent job of whittling away at the facts. I hope to God that the law enforcement happens to watch this page and read through the ideas of different scenarios because I really believe that the bloggers may be on to something. Our law enforcement officers have a big job in a small community and every bit of help from the folks on the outside will help if they will accept it. I also wonder though if one of the bloggers here may know exactly what happened because perhaps they themselves were part of the crime by being a party to it. The reason that I suggest this is that I’ve read that there are criminals who like the thrill of being right in the midst of the crimes and will in fact be just under the police’ noses. Kind of like the old “it was hiding right in front of my face” theory.
Who ever harmed Haliegh if done intentual,should pay dearly.
Exactly M2,and why say it on tape,I am so angry with these liars!Yes she did say that too!
OJ,Thats possible and i hope you’re right,may be why she said it on the tape!
Jay / Karen…this is a blog…we discuss theories with one another….we aren’t privy to what LE has….so all we have is what tidbits come out way. It is all opinion…..that is the POINT of a blog.
And, if you think RC is such a great dad then perhaps you’d like to bail his behind out of jail and hire him to watch YOUR children! Better lock up your teenage daughters first (and any prescriptions you might have around).
JB said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:20 pm Jay / Karen…this is a blog…we discuss theories with one another….we aren’t privy to what LE has….so all we have is what tidbits come out way. It is all opinion…..that is the POINT of a blog.
And, if you think RC is such a great dad then perhaps you’d like to bail his behind out of jail and hire him to watch YOUR children! Better lock up your teenage daughters first (and any prescriptions you might have around).
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See Jay, take note. Whenever they are called out they come at you w/ some ridamndiculous statement about RC. That comes from having NO logical response.
Ron,I can only speak for me,I was blind as a bat! Didn’t even wanna think it! For Haleighs sake!
And now that i think about it,theres no way in hello i’d marry someone accused even if it meant to keep them close! BS!
ky mom said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Someone send me link to Lindsy’s youtube channel please. I found it the other day but for some reason I can’t find it now… Thanks much appreciated…..
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That is not Lindsy’s youtube account, that is some ass that took her picture of her myspace and set up the fake account.
We worried for nothing,the drugs keptem “Close”
CathyJo63 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm And now that i think about it,theres no way in hello i’d marry someone accused even if it meant to keep them close! BS!
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I could do anything and I do mean anything, if I thought it could help find my missing child. Maybe not everyone feels that way about their child IDK.
i posted it just before vaq!
Karen…Haleigh died. If Ron had paid a reputable babysitter…she would be alive. If Ron hadn’t jumped from one druggie teeny bopper to another and had these druggie teeny boppers playing house, Haleigh would be alive. If Ron had put his children first, walked away from the drug life and protected his children from criminal drugged up thieving crackhead thugs and crack wh*res, Haleigh would be alive. He played with fire and Haleigh was the one that got burned. Even RC looks like he is feeling the guilt for his actions. He KNOWS he screwed up. And MS. LOGIC (KAREN), I didn’t see you stating you’d welcome Ron into your home to babysit your children, now did I? So you support him, as long as it isn’t with YOUR children? So I guess Haleigh doesn’t mean anything to you then? So why are you here?
As would I but now you think about it,they were hiding the fact they were even with one another in the drug tapes and going to pick up her clothes in the middle of night,theyd have kept close! I would not have married her but then again,imo ron knew anyway!
If thats not Lindy’s youtube acct. I’m sorry I read all the remarks the other day about tommy coming home and hated sleeping in that big bed alone . I had no reason to believe it wasn’t. Guess I stupid.
JB said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:30 pm Karen…Haleigh died. If Ron had paid a reputable babysitter…she would be alive. If Ron hadn’t jumped from one druggie teeny bopper to another and had these druggie teeny boppers playing house, Haleigh would be alive. If Ron had put his children first, walked away from the drug life and protected his children from criminal drugged up thieving crackhead thugs and crack wh*res, Haleigh would be alive. He played with fire and Haleigh was the one that got burned. Even RC looks like he is feeling the guilt for his actions. He KNOWS he screwed up. And MS. LOGIC (KAREN), I didn’t see you stating you’d welcome Ron into your home to babysit your children, now did I? So you support him, as long as it isn’t with YOUR children? So I guess Haleigh doesn’t mean anything to you then? So why are you here?
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Do you have a mental illness? Seriously? Your logical conclusion is, if someone does not think RC killed Haleigh, then they want him to babysit their children? Seriously? WHY are you here? The only reason YOU are here is to bash Ronald Cummings. Do you really think Haleigh would want that? I do not. Every child loves their parents. And RC did not kill Haleigh no matter how all the sickos try and twist it. It just did not happen.
Intersting denials that Lindsy Croslin put up the YouTube ‘LindsyLPN’ channel on April 14.
Why deny it is hers?
pezzu said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.
It is in the interview with ‘white boy Gregg’ and Art Harris – you can find it on youtube. He say Misty told him her and Ron broke up cause he was beating her up [jumping on her]
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Yea, Misty the bastion of truth. They broke up because he and Crystal were talking about getting back together.
And IF Crystal has paid her child support, maybe he could have “hired” a “reputable” babysitter.
CathyJo63
They are all innocent!!!!!!! Aren’t they? lol
and like someone said before,all these i”i shoulda knowns” keep coming to me now,like when he said,all i want is my childs life back!
and his plea on the 2day show told me alot! He didn’t plea for the person to bring her back,he smirked cuz he knew the 2 guilty were sitting togethere at that moment! not to mention coaching her to look at the cam on Greta!
Innocent till we prove them guilty!!!!!!About like c/a!
Makes me wanna crank up my deep fryer,or as Adams says,light their wicks!
Linda said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
If thats not Lindy’s youtube acct. I’m sorry I read all the remarks the other day about tommy coming home and hated sleeping in that big bed alone . I had no reason to believe it wasn’t. Guess I stupid.
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You were not stupid! The point is, that BS shouldn’t even be on youtube… if it’s not Lindsy, she needs to have youtube yank it!!!
Hey Karen and Jay, now, I thought I was the only passionate Ron fan on this site!
HEADS UP JB: Hell, I’ve got the money, and yes, I would bail him out if I could. I actually asked my Husband if I could put some money up and he looked at me like I was a frog. Then he just walked away…Yes, that’s true. (me and Mizz Nancee can hide him out)
Jay, I think u just had to vent, and JB, just let Jay vent. I hate the idea of Ron having to be cuffed and shackled like a beast and being televised like that. How humiliating.
NO ONE LEAVE THIS SITE!!
I assumed it was hers too Linda,she sent me a reply,tommys not guilty,stop watching n/g,lol
When I was 11yrs.old I baby sit a family of 5. But that was in the old days .
We are all under stress,calm down,i realize its usually youins telling me that but please!!!!
Karen, the only illness I have is YOU. You make me sick. I don’t think RC needs to face criminal charges. But he won’t get any father of the year awards either. The FACT is his choice in lifestyles endangered his children and even you with your holier than thou, better than everyone else, talking smack to everyone, chip on your shoulder, dang cranky ass you can SURELY see that! Parents are charged with child endangerment all the time (probably not as much as they should).
sorry but if she’d been a mother they wouldn’t need a sitter!
crystal rollen is a friend of the fake Lindsy youtube account.
try 21 Linda!
JB said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:45 pm Karen, the only illness I have is YOU. You make me sick. I don’t think RC needs to face criminal charges. But he won’t get any father of the year awards either. The FACT is his choice in lifestyles endangered his children and even you with your holier than thou, better than everyone else, talking smack to everyone, chip on your shoulder, dang cranky ass you can SURELY see that! Parents are charged with child endangerment all the time (probably not as much as they should).
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Whatever. If you can’t defend your position you can always call names.
Many perceived Misty differently after viewing her jail house videos, because for the first time other aspects of her personality were revealed.
Perception of Lindsy might change for some who view the LindsyLPN page, and read her comment, because she is revealing more.
She’s angry at the messengers: Flora Hollars, Simon, Jan, and probably many others.
No reason for me to not believe the LindsyLPN page at YouTube was created by Lindsy Croslin, and is updated by her.
fake,hmm I dunno!Crap!
KAREN said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:28 pm CathyJo63 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm And now that i think about it,theres no way in hello i’d marry someone accused even if it meant to keep them close! BS!
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I could do anything and I do mean anything, if I thought it could help find my missing child. Maybe not everyone feels that way about their child IDK.
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IMO everything that Ron did has been an attempt to push those he thought where guilty to reveal themselves and to find HaLeigh.
sorry if this has been posted. still trying to catch up. Has anyone read the press release on that writeintoaction website??? What is that about and is that a joke?
Karen….oh, I don’t cut Crystal any slack either….I think she is a waste of space and she failed Haleigh and Jr miserably. Perhaps if RC wasn’t busy buying guns, beer and drugs he could have paid a babysitter….hmmmmm…. and he never bothered to go after Crystal for child support…. probably because it was so dang easy to find a crackhead teeny bopper to boink and charm into watching his kids. Sheesh! If RC is your role model, Gawd help us…although that would explain a lot about you!
Many perceived Misty differently after viewing her jail house videos, because for the first time other aspects of her personality were revealed.
Perception of Lindsy might change for some who view the LindsyLPN page, and read her comments, because she is revealing more.
She’s angry at the messengers: Flora Hollars, Simon, Jan, and probably many others.
No reason for me to not believe the LindsyLPN page at YouTube was created by Lindsy Croslin, and is updated by her.
Texasmommy39 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:51 pm KAREN said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:28 pm CathyJo63 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:26 pm And now that i think about it,theres no way in hello i’d marry someone accused even if it meant to keep them close! BS!
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I could do anything and I do mean anything, if I thought it could help find my missing child. Maybe not everyone feels that way about their child IDK.
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IMO everything that Ron did has been an attempt to push those he thought where guilty to reveal themselves and to find HaLeigh.
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I agree 100%.
Imo its opposite but i respect yours TexMommy
Just doesn’t add up guys NOW!
a day or so ago you couldn’t have turned me toward m and r.but its a bit different now,ok too……
he says constantly,’i’ll shoot him thru the cruiser rear window,I’ll kill him…..whatever,then he comes out of this meeting after hearing Haleigh may have been (r and murdered and by someone he knows????? not a word! calm as a cucumber!
makes me sad reading through these posts…
wish more would defend Haleigh,fight for her justice..not her loser of parents whom BOTH let her down,yes all children love their parents..pity Haleighs parents loved their drugs more…
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE…PRAYERS FOR HALEIGH..XXX..
Thanks OJ-an Thanks Cathy Joe.I really dont see that as Lindsey.Because why would she be saying anything about Jan,an Simon.
But who knows i could be wrong.
The worst thing these people did was let LP into their lives.He hasnt once been right,in all his MG apperences.I find him to be a limelight seeker.
that is not her youtube account.
usually i can post 20 posts per minute,lol ask m2 but man its slow today,i think our tempers are flaring and our fingers are doing the work!
ronfan said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:42 pm Hey Karen and Jay, now, I thought I was the only passionate Ron fan on this site!
HEADS UP JB: Hell, I’ve got the money, and yes, I would bail him out if I could. I actually asked my Husband if I could put some money up and he looked at me like I was a frog. Then he just walked away…Yes, that’s true. (me and Mizz Nancee can hide him out)
Jay, I think u just had to vent, and JB, just let Jay vent. I hate the idea of Ron having to be cuffed and shackled like a beast and being televised like that. How humiliating.
NO ONE LEAVE THIS SITE!!
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LOL I see the side are drawing their lines again and the gloves are coming off.
I am getting popcorn and some snacks. BRB
For all those defending the father , do you know that he was investigated by DCF for claims of child abuse? If you don’t think a grown man in a fit of rage can severly injured a 5yr old and without medical treatment can die in a short period of time must live in NEVER NEVER LAND! Don’t tell me that you havn’t read about a child who died from blunt force trama ever in the news! They have covered up this crime since day one and came up with the LIE to keep their sorry butts out of jail! The police have no evidence other than their LIES! They went back to what they know best by dealing drugs and look where they are at now! I hope they all rot in there!
pezzu said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.
It is in the interview with ‘white boy Gregg’ and Art Harris – you can find it on youtube. He say Misty told him her and Ron broke up cause he was beating her up [jumping on her]
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I listened to Nay Nay and WBG, I don’t believe Ron beat her up, I believe they’re full of it
Can’t understand why Lindsy Croslin breaking out of the role she has formerly played would come as a surprise. The quick denials about the You Tube page really being hers is interesting, to say the least. Leaves me wondering what it is about the You Tube page that doesn’t match perception of Lindsy.
I understand a subject has to ‘want’ to be hypnotized and must co-operate in order to ‘go under’ — but could this 17 year old with a 6th grade education be that confident that she would not blurt out ‘I killed her and Tommy helped me dump the body’? Wish someone could explain that.
KAREN said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
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Oh, but you can say none of us are logical, ask me if I have a mental illness, say we make ridamndiculous comments, say things like “Anyone w/ a speck of brain…”, etc. WHATEVER, you are an ANGRY individual and perhaps you should up your dosage of happy pills because THEY AREN’T WORKING! I think you’d argue just for grins and giggles…oh wait, you don’t grin or giggle do you Karen. SHEESH!
I’m through…you are a waste of time, completely irrational and downright NASTY to everyone. GET OVER YOURSELF!
hmmmm,maybe it stands to reason thats not me who did!LoL idunno!
heyitsmekelly said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:01 pm For all those defending the father , do you know that he was investigated by DCF for claims of child abuse?
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Yep, investigated from people making stories up, and cleared, and he kept custody of his children.
Now what will you do if Hardy lets him out and Junior returns to his care?
heyitsmekelly said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
For all those defending the father , do you know that he was investigated by DCF for claims of child abuse? If you don’t think a grown man in a fit of rage can severly injured a 5yr old and without medical treatment can die in a short period of time must live in NEVER NEVER LAND! Don’t tell me that you havn’t read about a child who died from blunt force trama ever in the news! They have covered up this crime since day one and came up with the LIE to keep their sorry butts out of jail! The police have no evidence other than their LIES! They went back to what they know best by dealing drugs and look where they are at now! I hope they all rot in there!
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Sure we do because we know Marie kept calling them and it never went anywhere because they weren’t abused.
JB,
You say it’s lifestyle It is truly is but what if you’ve didn’t know any different I know everyone will say just that.
I was raised in a very dysfunctional family or should I say raised by hair of my head.
my father was a drunk and very abusive drunk, I, wasn’t allowed to spend anytime away from home just home, school and church also had to be Johnny on the spot when time to get home.
I hated my life, but you know what I married my dad, Head doctor said that was normal action for daughter. I thought this was the way every one lived I didn’t no better . I lived the same Hell I was raised in and didn’t know for years later not everyone lived this way
curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:02 pm pezzu said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.
It is in the interview with ‘white boy Gregg’ and Art Harris – you can find it on youtube. He say Misty told him her and Ron broke up cause he was beating her up [jumping on her]
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I listened to Nay Nay and WBG, I don’t believe Ron beat her up, I believe they’re full of it
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Now that I don’t believe either..for a second!
In the drug tapes…come on,Mist was the boss!!!! It amazed me!
Why do you say it isn’t Lindsy’s YouTube page, Vaquera?
Is Crystal Sheffield’s myspace page really hers? Are Joe Overstreet’s really his? Marie Griffis’ pages really put up by Marie Griffis?
Ron Fan,dont undersatnd your 3: comment was it to me or Tobias. what did you mean exactly lol.I have never believed Ron,or Misty harnmed Haliegh.
lol an i like those tough country boys,lol always have.
because she faked being under,a person don’t move their arms and flail as Misty did,was obvious!
is my page my page?
wait I don’t have a page..nevermind
where are the new videos of that,hypnotist?anybody know?
I know the person that told her about the fake youtube, they are myspace friends. Maybe she has other things on her mind than looking at what idiots on the net are doing and saying.
curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:02 pm pezzu said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:01 pm curious said,in April 20th, 2010 at 2:29 pm I don’t believe Ron beat the crap out of Misty.
It is in the interview with ‘white boy Gregg’ and Art Harris – you can find it on youtube. He say Misty told him her and Ron broke up cause he was beating her up [jumping on her]
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I listened to Nay Nay and WBG, I don’t believe Ron beat her up, I believe they’re full of it
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Why would Misty make up a story that Ron beat her up to some drug addict she just met? Maybe he didn’t — but ‘they’re full of it’ don’t quite get it.
Press Release
Minneapolis FBI receives names of Putnam County Sheriff’s Officers alleged to operate sex ring
Is this real? This is on writeintoaction. First time i’ve seen it.
why does she do anything she do? LoL
Yes,also told NayNay he rolled her into a ball to make her lose a baby!
Flora said ‘a board or something’. The ‘or something’ raises a red flag, but it could be that’s how it was told to her.
I wonder if the board was a wooden paddle that Ron and Misty used to spank the children.
pezzu said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:15 pm Why would Misty make up a story that Ron beat her up to some drug addict she just met? Maybe he didn’t — but ‘they’re full of it’ don’t quite get it.
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Apparently she has issues with the truth. Not sure why you would believe that comment.
CathyJo63 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:11 pm because she faked being under,a person don’t move their arms and flail as Misty did,was obvious!
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I know she ‘faked being under’ — my question is how could she have been SURE she could fake that — If I had never been hypnotized and had just killed someone I’d be scared to death to ‘go under’ for fear of confessing… and I’m a lot older thatn 17.
FYI ONLY
I decided not to post on this thread, however, I looked on my homepage on fb and saw Marie asked that we read this article.
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/04/20/news/news01.txt
NO body found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP0d_5kpjic
If u need a good laugh about now,watch Naynays version!
right but Peaa,I think i could,never thought of it but easy i imagine unless she knew they’d gas her..LoL
Pezzu,sorry!
Linda…I know people grow up in total disfunctional families….my mom was one of them…even though she was abused, never had a childhood, she managed to raise me without harming me, never drank or did drugs like her parents, was a completely loving mother. I am sorry for those who didn’t have an ideal childhood as I did…but I never believe in using it as an excuse for repeating bad behaviors. Everyone has a choice….RC made poor decisions, as did Crystal, as did Misty, as did Tommy, as did Hank, as did Lisa, as did…….but they COULD have made different decisions. Tommy didn’t have to burglarize homes…he could have seen the waste his parents were and chosen a better life….Misty could have chosen a different path, Crystal could have seen what her choices were doing and that they were costing her custody and gotten off the drugs….but she made her choice as well. People go through horrible things but they CHOOSE to either rise above it or wallow in it and use it as an excuse for their actions. JMO of course but one I believe in strongly. I’ve witnessed it too many times in my own family, with friends, co-workers, etc.
Ron didn’t beat Misty up and according to his attorney Ron isn’t angry with Misty he is just disappointed in her and hopes she was forced to lie to him — ok
I wouldn’t be so quick to believe that, Vaqurera. Until proven otherwise, I’ll accept the LindsyLPN page belongs to Lindsy Croslin.
People-Out of respect for this family, don’t Monday Morning Quarterback Ron & Crystal. Whatever mistakes they BOTH made at being parents, nobody should be bashed when they have been 100% cleared by LE in this case.
Hello….my….cruel..world!!!
Yes I know DCF didn’t find any evidence of child abuse! You all didn’t comment on reading stories in the news of a child dying at the hands of an adult from blunt force trauma due to child abuse! Some have seeked medical attention and come up with the lame story that the child fell from their chair! In this case , the ex-newlyweds didn’t seek medical attention and came up with the lame abduction story! They are a bunch of liars and are right where they belong!
pezzu…obviously she didn’t fake it as everyone knows she faked it! LOL
I think Misty was under pressure, wanting LE off her back and was willing to do whatever to throw them off. She failed how many LDT’s and still signed on to take these tests? The girl is a few french fries short of a happy meal IMO. LOL
bbib starving here!
Well no one is stopping anyone. Most everyone that I post with around the net knows it’s a fake,but knock yourself out 😀
/me eyes that happy meal!
heyitsmekelly said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:26 pm Yes I know DCF didn’t find any evidence of child abuse! You all didn’t comment on reading stories in the news of a child dying at the hands of an adult from blunt force trauma due to child abuse! Some have seeked medical attention and come up with the lame story that the child fell from their chair! =============
You’re right I didn’t comment on it, you’re talking about other cases, I am here to post about HaLeigh’s case.
What i dont understand is whay we all cant blogg,an state our OP without someone smarting off at the other for theirs.It goes on,an on.LOL Then we have to weed through, to get to a comment that theres no mud slinging lol hate to see some of you at a friday night BBQ ,specialy if booze was involved.lol when i first started reading here i got so tickled.Id almost bet there would be a few fist fights with the gang if they knew each other lol.To cute /but tying up the page.
Interesting article at WESH
http://www.wesh.com/news/23209510/detail.html
CathyJo…just be aware THAT Happy Meal is short a few french fries! LMAO
Hello Armando! Any new news for us?
Vaquera, you think it is fake because that is what almost everyone you post with thinks? That’s just a rumor, then.
Last night I got through to Nancy Grace 2 times, then my stupid phone lost reception.
I am so sick and tired of people calling in with tired and OLD ((AGGGHHH)) QUESTIONS!!!
EXAMPLE: Nancy, do you think Misty could have had something to do with it??
Nancy, did they give Tommy a polygraph?
Nancy, did Ron stop and get peanuts that night, or bbq chips??!!
I swear I’m gonna unleash and ask the dumbest question in the world if I get through..
You are so blind to the facts! I guess you don’t believe Haleigh and Jr not wanting to go back to their father after their visitations with the mom either! I believe the reports that the father had a bad temper and was physical with the children! This is a classic case of Haleigh dying at the hands of her father and him not wanting to go to jail over it! He’s so willing to come up with the “my child was stoled” LIE , only for him to go back to dealing drugs! All he cares about is himself! Same goes for his ex-bride! He’s in jail and will spend a long time there even if there no charges of him killing Haleigh! Good riddance!
KAREN said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:37 pm And IF Crystal has paid her child support, maybe he could have “hired” a “reputable” babysitter.
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And if Ronald would have used protection he would not have needed Crystal to pay child support… Geeeee! How far do you want to go with this?
ronfan..ROFLMAO…You should ask…”Is it possible an alien drug lord from Pluto took Haleigh?” LOL…I agree, the questions are beyond absurd. Do they screen the questions? Does anyone know? And of course everyone has to tell NG how much they love her, how wonderful she is, how cute the twins are, how big they are getting, how glad they are to get through, blah, blah, blah for 10 minutes and then they ask something totally stupid! LMAO
This is why I now generally just read the transcripts instead of watching the show. I don’t have to watch NG roll her eyes, scrunch her nose up and make faces at the guests while ripping them new ones, I don’t have to watch the same ole’ video clips over and over and over and over….I can skip through the transcript for anything of value! Generally takes about 5 minutes! LOL
Jan57: I was agreeing to ur post at 3:04!! (about the Croslins)
Texasmommy:
I’m going to go get my “I heart Ron” t-shirt…
Karen and Jay, welcome to the Ron side.(lol)
Well, maybe it’s just a joke that I’m not aware of. No one is commenting on it.
heyitsmekelly: Yep, dcf came….and went…
Check out the court pages.
Sorry, but ya’ can’t play that card.
IF…lmao….good point. But don’t stoke that fire…I think it has finally gone out and I really don’t want it to blaze again! LOL
Reading…sorry, don’t mean to ignore you…been too much going on. I haven’t checked out the website….haven’t had time. So what did it say?
ronfan said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:39 pm Last night I got through to Nancy
Oh God Ron,truer words were never spoken,or Did Misty pass her ld test?
Where are these ppl,under a dang rock!
Ask N/g if Misty eats better than she does,lmbo! That’ll getter!
Vaquera, you’re going along with the thinking of the group, so can you get an explanation from the group as to why they deny it is Lindsy’s page?
Are they just resistant to believing her You Tube page has content that reveals aspects of her personality that disturb them?
I wonder if denial is the reason – seems like it might be important for them to retain their former impression of Lindsy.
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Judge Strickland motion admitted to one time talking to Dave in the courtroom in full front view of the world, BUT nothing of a phone call (s). Does this mean the calls where a LIE an exaggeration?
HELP
Im trying to make sense of this
ronfan…. DCF had come and gone in a lot of cases…. and then the child wound up dead from abuse….. not that I am thinking it happened this time…but it could have…it may have…. and it certainly has happened before to other children “under the watchful eye of the State”. Just because no charges were filed doesn’t mean it didn’t happen I guess is my point. NOT saying it did, but it DOES happen in a lot of cases….. DCF is often a day late and a dollar short.
It almost makes you think it was the 1st day the story broke..sheeeeesh
I’ll see yas after theres nuthin but the bone left on this porkchop,LoL
AMEN JB!!!!!
Diane you said you believe on of the bloggers may know,or have been part of this crime.Well sence you brought it up.Why do you not share lol so we can see if we feel the same way.Or that person will have a chance to defend their selves against the speculation,you present.LOl love to here.just who you think it is??????????????
Jason–People have sympathy for Lindsey and for the life of me can`t figure out why. She has the support of her family to help her and yet she stays with Tommy the Thief. I can`t fathom what she is thinking or if she is thinking at all. I think Lindsey has many fooled. JMO
BB12-Chris: Better to ask that on BNN’s article about Caylee. Go to the BNN Home page and scroll down for the most recent one.
The press release in on the website http://www.writeintoaction.com. Sorry, I didn’t want to post all of it, not sure it’s allowed on here. I’m a newbie here to the rules of this site. I saw it somewhere else.
Reading ,
don’t no if your still here but, I read the press release It comes to me via email when he post new post. I used to really take it in and hope he had things write ,but after I got this one he’s to far out there.
I asked him a question and his answer was one that didn’t make out to be so smart.
Robin, “or if she is thinking at all” – IMO, she let’s her heart rule, and is still refusing to consider her husband is culpable.
Now and then she comes out of denial and considers the possibility Tom is responsible, but justifies it (“Tom’s a hard sleeper, if he did have something to do with this it’s because he was sleep walking”; “Tommy never failed the lie detector test, he just didn’t completely pass it”).
She is bargaining – accusing the Cummings/Sheffields now, in hopes it is true they are responsible, not the Croslins.
JB said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:59 pm ronfan…. DCF had come and gone in a lot of cases…. and then the child wound up dead from abuse….. not that I am thinking it happened this time…but it could have…it may have…. and it certainly has happened before to other children “under the watchful eye of the State”. Just because no charges were filed doesn’t mean it didn’t happen I guess is my point. NOT saying it did, but it DOES happen in a lot of cases….. DCF is often a day late and a dollar short
Shaniya Davis comes to mind.
Ron Fan lol good luck on getting through to NG show.I have been trying to call her for a yr.all i hear is bomb bomb lol ,an then somtimes some comon,an ask question.then they go to another subject,never anwsering the callers question. That woman makes me so mad,how they play a clip righ after she says something,an the whole things taken out of contex from what was really said on the video.
No matter what Misty has done.I laughed my butt off when she told NG to kiss her azzz,about the food comments.An shes the first to ever thell miss priss that.If it would have been under another situation,i would have saved that video.
If Tom is culpable, it may take a long time for Lindsy to come to accept it. In the meantime, she will deny.
It’s normal, a stage of grief. I feel Chelsea is in the same boat – having a very difficult time.
Jason–If I thought my husband was any way responsible, no matter how small, with the death of a child I would run as fast and as hard as I could, especially for my children. Tommy has shown his selfish side so many times in the jailhouse chats with her. She has had to “raise” her husband, along with her children. When is enough going to be enough for her? She needs to cut her losses for herself as well for the sakes of their innocent children.
Jason–If I thought my husband was any way responsible, no matter how small, with the death of a child I would run as fast and as hard as I could, especially for my children. Tommy has shown his selfish side so many times in the jailhouse chats with her. She has had to “raise” her husband, along with her children. When is enough going to be enough for her? She needs to cut her losses for herself as well for the sakes of their innocent children.
Jason–If I thought my husband was any way responsible, no matter how small, with the death of a child I would run as fast and as hard as I could, especially for my children. Tommy has shown his selfish side so many times in the jailhouse chats with her. She has had to “raise” her husband, along with her children. When is enough going to be enough for her? She needs to cut her losses for herself as well for the sakes of their innocent children.
Robin, IMO, she has overlooked a lot of devious activity on Tom’s part, for a long, long, time – this time is no different.
Mother spanked our butts when we went to far,after she had to tell us over,an over.We turned out fine.I spanked mine,when they went to far.Not every thing brought that responce from me.America,has mixed up abuse with spanking.Listen when all these children stopped being punised if they did wrong,an warrented everthing did not call for spanking.
But look at Americas children compaired to when my Mother grew up.An i grew up.They do what they want,when they want,cuss their parents out,walk out the door when they chose.An say ill call 911 if you touch me.
I use to say im gona beat the crap out of mine.They laugh about it today.But none are pregnant at young ages,none are on drugs,or drinkers.An i have went as far as to run them down to find out.sneak up on them so to speak.Dont tell me parental control is a bad thing.Slapping in the face,hitting with fist,beating with Objects.like water hoses an stuff, an i have seen that done,an its wrong.I called the law on the man doing it,to his boy.
Haliegh fell,at school by DR accounts from going to the hospital,an usualy weekend babies at one parents house when going home acts like that because they have no rule at the weekend parents home,seen it to many times.
Ron an Misty may have roughed around,but you want to see real girl friend abuse ,you should see where my eye was broke the bones under my eye crushed.He got right out of it, an stalked me.Law did nothing he knew how to play them,an you have to have 3 complaints in a months time to get a restraining order here.they wont sign one unless you have recent events of abuse.If it took place tonight,an then 1/or 2 months later they wont even here a woman,or mans complaints.Unless they are arrested when the fights going on.
But finaly me an my son,when he got old enough,the man was not living with us,just some one i dated 5 month untill he show who he really was..When that man snuck up on us,an tried to beat us down.We put a whipping on his butt,an i have never heard from him again.The fear factor when theres abuse with couples is awful.But Misty didnt show signs of black eyes,from Ron.They just had love fights,being jealious.of each other most likly.An pushing each other around.Tusseling
CathyJoe your 5:01 To funny lol
ronfan at 4:39 pm
You left out one thing about NG. When the callers call in, they first have to compliment NG and then tell her they love her twins.
I give you credit being able to watch her twice in a night though!
ronfan-
I agree. My heart breaks when I look at Ron. I don’t honestly care that people don’t believe in him, I just ask that they keep there nasty comments to a minimum out of respect for Haleigh. Ron has been cleared I have read and heard from LE on more than one occasion. Crystal as well too.
But if you think RC was playing the role of undercover narc agent….I have some land to sell you. He LOVES his drugs. And if he can find an easy way to make money while getting high, he is going for it.
The only person who thinks Ron was an undercover narc agent, is his mother.
Awww Mothers!!
Lindsey may be in the dark as some of us are, and she may be waiting on factual proof.
That website on you tube was not set up by Lindsey. It’s a poser Lindsey. I’m almost sure of it, and if it is she should sue for defamation and fraud.
Watching JVM
Granny Flora is on the show wearing lipstick now, trying to look perty. (pretty)
I would wear lipstick too, if I was going to be on the news. Wouldn’t you? I would also fix my hair and nails, because if I didn’t then I would be judged for that too.
Now Granny is bashing Misty…….too funny. Saying that if Misty is accusing Joe of molesting her and she never told, she must have liked it!!! 🙂
Shockwave-She is on JVM. Because of them, and there make up department she is wearing lipstick.
DANG I missed the show but the last few minutes. Obviously she gave a great interview, as all the panelist seemed shocked by her theory.
She even implicated RC..NOT in the murder but in other things. DANG anyone see the whole thing??
Okay,so Flora Dora got her 5 minutes and then some,good job,Grandma.At least this new version will get her back on another show,how much is she getting paid?Pffttt!!!So,what do you think her nic is on twitter and the blogs? 🙂
Kayla needs to stop posting Grandma is a liar on the boards or she’s next.LOL Under the bus you go…
granny was straight from central casting…you can’t make this stuff up
BOLDONE3 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 6:32 pm Now Granny
OMG
Honestly, I don’t care if Granny Flo gets the award if it brings closure to this case.
I wish I watched the whole interview. I will DVR it later on and watch in the morning.
Grandma must be the most hated grandma in her family…ever.Next she’ll say she did it,to be on more shows and get more money. @@
off topic yes:
well,i got more than one bone in my porkchop guys,they say most accidents occur at home,lemme tell ya yes they do,I got up from the bar to get my plate,tripped on my scanner cord,fell face down hard too in my kitchen floor,broke my seeing eye glasses,lolthink broke my eye bone,cheekbone,and chin has a huge knot on it,addled me for a few but maybe i’m ok but it skeert me bad! so be careful at home!
IF, just IF said,in April 20th, 2010 at 4:45 pm KAREN said,in April 20th, 2010 at 3:37 pm And IF Crystal has paid her child support, maybe he could have “hired” a “reputable” babysitter.
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And if Ronald would have used protection he would not have needed Crystal to pay child support… Geeeee! How far do you want to go with this?
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As far as you want to take it. If Marie hadn’t kicked CS out over a man and she went to live w/ RC at 14 she prob. wold have had enough sense not to have sex w/o protection. It doesn’t matter after the fact. The fact is they did have cildren and she did not pay support. Period.
I was here way back when Simon first started covering this case. I left for a couple months out of frustration over all the ignorant comments and people’s inability to differentiate between hate for RC’s lifestyle and his innocence of any part of this crime. Things haven’t changed much at all. Even Art Harris has said LE cleared Ron and Crystal, LE has said RC was cleared and STILL people will not believe it. I left Websleuths for good because the site has become a joke.
Good to see another Ronfan! ;o)
LE has got this,Tommy and his lawyer talked to them,grandma didn’t do anything but go on shows and blab for her 5 minutes and money.She’s repeating what she was told and adding her versions to stay on tv.At least we know where Misty and Lisa got thier traits.
Cathy Jo
Are you okay?
Jan 57 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 5:57 pm Mother spanked our butts when we went to far,after she had to tell us over,an over.We
well,i got it with a rubber race track piece,blood,whelps and all!not funny tho!
I am now ky mom,scared the heck outta me tho,it actually dazed me for a few,i sat down and bawled for a few,lol
Head injury terrifies me now,first thought and i guess that scared me the most,I fell so hard i couldn’t even protect my face!
Thanks for asking though!
I stopped listening in on all this when it came to a year of little Haleigh missing. Now I’m back on, they found cinder blocks, yellow rope and told Ron to make funeral arrangements. What is the hold up! I am getting anxious, Haleigh needs closure!
Jan,it makes ya wonder how the kids back then made it,My God i have seen my niece and nephew having blood brought from their legs with a mining belt! shewwwwww scared me to see it!
BOLDONE3 said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Honestly, I don’t care if Granny Flo gets the award if it brings closure to this case.
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But,Grandma’s not bringing the closure,she just wants the $35,000 reward for the tip.It would help if she wasn’t smirking while talking about her grandchildren killing a child.I feel sick enough,without seeing her.Her other grandchildren are calling her a liar and saying she’s wanted on tv since this all begin,now she’s got her chance.
you knew better than to say a word though,just make it worse!
oman Winter,really,I have missed that! I saw the one tape of her on N/G!
Granny Flora seemed to be more open and honest with her opinions today on JVM.
It was much less of sensing that she was trying to protect any of them and as a matter of fact I give her credit for being on television and speaking her mind.
Could you imagine if your family member or members had done something or knew about something and even possibly then did something after the fact tied to a crime?
If your own family member were in the position that Misty, Timmy, Cousin Joe and possibly Ron are all in would you be willing and/or able to speak up and tell what you knew against your own blood kin and on National Television?
Two scenario’s directly come to mind.
1. GrandMother Flora already knows what had happened but that she neglected to come forward until now and possibly that she is now doing everything she can to distance herself from the whole case while attempting to cease any further damage to the rest of the family who are innocent.
2. She is telling the truth because she realizes how much her own GrandChildren have maliciously damaged, shamed, and torn their family apart. Possibly that she is so pissed off at them for their behavior and at her age she does not want to leave behind the idea that what those family members have done is acceptable so it’s time to pull off the blinders and get tough no matter who’s feelings are hurt.
jmvho.
CathyJoe was that your reaction to JVM today? Oh My! I hope you got ice on your eye, cheek and chin. OUCH!
@Jay
Stop your sniveling. RC has made very poor choices in his life and leaving his daughter with a drugged out immature child like Misty is HIS fault and yes he is at least partially responsible for his daughter no longer being here
Yea Tuff,ty…chin hurts worse now but i got frozen peas on it,LoL Head hurts too alittle?? scared to take a tylenol tho just now!
Oh btw,I cant watch N/G or JVM? I don’t have cable but i do see it online!
brb i can baly see,these glasses are lesser strength,grrrrr
Wow — Misty was shown bones at the river?
The first part of Simon’s comment addressed to Linda has been deleted by me, Jan Barrett for the following reason:
Simon’s response was because of what I said to him thinking Linda’s comment meant there was something said about us in the video itself. After he left this comment I went back in the YouTube page and listened to the video again and when I still didn’t hear anything I started searching on the page and that is when I spotted what Lindsy said in the comments.
I was the one that misunderstood Linda’s comment and I have personally apologized to her but I think I owe her an apology in here as well as everyone else.
The comment made about me by Lindsy could not be farther than the truth. My falling a lot has NOTHING to do with drugs or alcohol. I don’t do drugs (you couldn’t pay me to take them after I saw what they did to my own sister before she died) and I do not drink. I am however on different medications since I was told that I have a severe Vitamin D deficiency and my body is not cooperating with it, so it is a huge battle for me.
I am not telling anyone this for pity, please, I do not want that. I am fighting this to get my health back. The only reason I am even telling you all this is because I don’t want anyone to believe this garbage about me and YES I do have a doctor that can back me up about me not being on drugs and alcohol.
I am truly sorry to Linda with Simon’s response as he was only going by what I told him and if any of you get mad about his comment please don’t blame him, blame me and I only pray you forgive me for my mistake. I am really sorry. We try our best to be honest with everyone and we admit when we are wrong.
Thanks and I wish you all a good night,
Jan Barrett
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I take pride in my work, and as opposed to some journo’s I do actually check my facts. And what is being aired right now on HLN is complete BS.
Simon Barrett
right on simon! you are the MAN!
Granny got her a new outfit with the money from all the interviews she has done lately.lol
I’m being mean tonight sorry.
Simon:
Are you talking about Misty being shown bones being BS? Please clarify. If Art Harris is breaking that news, and it is not true, that is going pretty far out of line to get a bombshell.
Granny Flo has done put more hype in an all ready too hyped up case. I can actually see the dollar signs in her eyes. Just another liar on top of the many Liars this case all ready has! Nobody needs to hear her opinion–just the truth! But the truth will allude us again in this tragic case!
Well,I guess I am on drugs too cuz i just fell too!
she is being way sarcastic and imo defensive!
In this whole tragic case, the LE statement that they do not believe this was a stranger abduction. What evidence did they have to come that conclusion. LE has been known to wrong about statements like this. Too many cases have been left unresolved because of LE`s focus on family members. I think with empty statements like this being made early on, without actual proof to refute this claim, will be a crucial mistake. I think the Croslins are Liars, make no mistake about it, but I am just not ready to label them murderers. Its a huge leap to take without actual evidence! JMO
very rude comment she posted about the rope,I did have some faith in her,boy was i wrong!
tom wants to come home and have a few beers,which will lead to a few pills….imo
If Misty was shown bones, but was still cool headed… and calm… it was because she KNOWS HaLeigh is/wasn’t placed there! IMO
brb i am getting mad again!
has anyone heard NG show AH is saying that they took Misty on the dock to show her bones that they found NG is saying it was the bones of Haliegh. Those two are like peas in pod.
simon says it didn’t happen so it didn’t happen.
NG is really jumping to conclusions stating these bones are little Haleigh’s bones, alright. She seems to wear egg on her face without too much problem.
Simone,
I did not say that she said it on the video,it was in her comment section she was referring to you and Jan . and no you don’t know me I read here everyday but don’t usually comment. I also listen to your radio show every sun.
**snipped from action news jacksonville**
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — According to the attorney representing Haleigh Cumming’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, the family is not in the process of making funeral plans for the girl.
I thought Misty and Tommy were at the dock on seperate days.
AH is nuts. They may have told Misty they were ‘bones’ to try to trick her.
NG is crazy.
I don’t know if the bones were Haleigh’s or not, but I have never heard of LE taking a suspect to a crime scene to view the bones. They may say oops in a few days.
BA
Crystal and family not Ronald and his family?
Cent:
I don’t know if Misty can be shaken at this point. She has been thru so much the past 14 months, and she is most likely numb.
BA
I miss read your comment sorry. I thought you said Crystal and family were making funeral arrangements. so sorry. I’ve been up to long.lol
WinterRose – Closure may not be the politically correct way to say what I said.
But if Granny Flo brings in new evidence in this horrific story, and she obviously has, good for her!!
These animal grandchildren of hers need to be punished and she should be rewarded for coming forward.
omg,where are yall seeing that?
(((((((((Adams)))))))))))
Tuff Stuff 7:01
GREAT POST!:)
I am obviously missing important stuff here,lol
I think Granny’s tears are real when she talks about all 3 grandkids being involved. She does seem heartbroken. JMO
She does like the limelight. lol
@ ky mom said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 8:11 pm….. No Worries.. LOL… trust me, I know what it’s like… running on no sleep.
@ Karon said,
in April 20th, 2010 at 8:11 pm……….. Karon, I tend to agree. I also think that girl is a very cold chick! I guess from years of trying to survive.
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/04/update-on-haleigh-cummings-search/
It may be true though,dunno but imo Misty looked like she was crying and was being consoled in this one!
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OMG I AM SORRY,ONLY POSTED THE LINK?????????????? I SAW THAT AND WONDERED WTH?
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Thought I’d join in ……….lol
/ME sneaaks out the door
i need a hug now,omg
Cent:
It is a crying shame. There are so many ruined lives from abuse, neglect, and drugs. Yet, they don’t ever seem to learn. Misty told her dad she wanted to learn from her own mistakes. She waited too long to learn, and her life is down the drain forever.
I am so sorry Jan!
Tuff Stuff @ 7:01…
I agree, Granny appeared much better on tonight on JVM. She sounds more coherent and sincere, to me. And the weird thing is JVM asked much the same questions as NG…it’s just that JVM is a bit more civil.
This is the first time I heard Granny say she believes all three were involved, not just Tommy and Joe. She is coming down on Misty now, and I think that was very difficult for her to do.
I do not believe she was the tipster but I can believe Misty and Tom talking to her; they seem to have a bond with Granny that goes way back. So when you think about it, it may turn out that Granny has played a very important role in solving this case.
Whatever it takes, I want to see justice for Haleigh. If it means hearing Granny talk, I’ll do it. I’ll even go through the painful ordeal of watching NG occasionally.
the link i posted,there seemed to be a doll or something like it lying there?? yall notice? Just wondered if it was put there on purpose for Misty?
Goodnight everyone!!!!! See ya tom.
the link after the novel i posted!lol
Worth Repeating: Winter Rose said “Kayla needs to stop posting Grandma is a liar on the boards or she’s next.”
LOL!
gnite,kymom (((((kymom)))))
Frozen peas on your chin, CathyJo? LOL!
Okay now we are hearing about bones. Why hasn’t there been another press conference about items or evidence that was found in the river and now we have NG show and AH bringing up bones. Come on Haleigh we are getting so near to the truth what happened to you baby, it’s so sad how long it has taken for the truth,I which they would hurry up for you.
hey Jason,how are you?? Havent seen ya in a bit,good to see ya tho!
yea and a big ole knot!!!!!! Lucky tho i don’t have 2 more beside it.lol
I can’t see either,too well anyway Jason,broke my seein eye glasses!LoL
How is your patient you were caring for,ok i hope!
I’ve been around now for a few days, Cathy Jo, saw you pop in the other day and then disappear! Glad to see you brought your humor – you had me laughing on the peas and then I read a post above that seems to make it not so funny ’cause you might be really hurt on the chin. Your chin OK?
I can’t watch NG. I like to read the recaps after the show. I just finished reading the exchanges for the day.
Everyone has an opinion about what took place but no one except God at this point knows for sure. I understand the sympathy for Ron (he lost his daughter) but some comments teater on hero worship. It could be as many believe that Ronald did not know what happened. However, to go as far as to want to pay for his release and be his “fan”. First, he is a racist. That may not bother some people but it does me. Secondly, he slept with an underage girl. I don’t like that – there are laws in place prohibiting this for a reason. (I blame her parents for that too). Those two points alone preclude him from hero status (IMO).
He’s doing much better, Cathy Jo; stronger lungs too, and makes him a lot louder which is great – his voice is loud and strong like it was last year. ~ Thank – you for asking about him ~
well gee,just got an update from someone on lpn youtube site says,you idiot,this aint lindseys site,well gee thanx!LoL
Does anyone else notice how gramma Hollar looks to the right when she is uncertain or slow in answering a question??? And again I must say…..whether the woman is lying or telling the truth, the truth lies in the recorded jail tapes. As much as I do not believe her, Gramma Hollar must know this can and will be substantiated by the recorded tapes.. so not too sure of her motives. othe than the obvious tip pay out….
Sorry I was posting under “Anth” my husband….I was just thrilled I didn’t have to re-enter my info, thought it was saved…. I do apologize I have pirated his name with some of my sassy comments 🙂 And thought it was me……. I am sorry thru our computers shared that I spoke my opinions on his behalf.. well not on his behalf we are miles apart in opinion!!!
They’re messing with you, Cathy Jo. Of course it’s Lindsey’s site – it says right there – LindsyLPN.
Cathy Jo, it might be because she’s not happy with your posts!
Jason said,in April 20th, 2010 at 8:38 pm I’ve been around now for
AWWW,S rry i didn’t see ya and i have been popping in and out,a few small problems around here now and again and my pc blew up,lol have a rental now they should have picked up 2day but lucky me,they didn’t.hmmmmmm maybe they forgot..yea right?? But lol i am fine now,after a good ole bawl!!!felt foolish falling in my own floor over my own printer cord,sheeeeesh!
ya think Jason,LoL I ain’t too fancy with hers now either!lol but i’m staying off it,they done figured out i am an idiot…too close!LoL
JillF,,nice post
Well G Hollars let Joes Juvie record out he stole cars Geez. Everyone (Geraldo and NG) kept trying to get everyone to be under the impression he was a SO. G Hollar even says Misty would always ask to go over to Joes and hung out with him. She also says Misty started the drugs when she went to Florida. Seems Misty lived with G Hollar up until she quit school.
Another thing makes no sense Joe just got out of Juvie at 18 yrs old when this all happened he was 19 (JUST) Because his lawyer said he just turned 20. Why would he risk going back to jail when he just got free? jmo
JNet said,in April 20th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Hey,I forget who i am too,often! but make a new friend every day!LoL
((((Hugs, CathyJo))))
((((Good-night KY))))
true tobias,one of those things that make go hmmmmm
Did you guys see where someone in the interviews or something said Lisa has her moms smile,now geeee wonder why?? LoL Now thats cold,she’s an older lady for God’s sake!
I hope they’re like Misty and forget where they’re supposed to pick up your ocmputer at LOL!
LOL Me too Jason,me tooooooo!
I hope they’re like Misty and forget where they’re supposed to pick up your computer at LOL!
its nice and i don’t have to beat on thissen’
Aah – sorry you fell – hope you feel better.
i do now,just felt crazy and scared for a sec,lol ty
((((((Adams))))))) Heck everybody,I am lucky to be alive right now,LOL J/K
Cathy… take care… no more accidents!!
Even if Granny is only telling what she was told, I don’t think she should get any reward money. If the reward is still available it should go in trust account…for Jr. He’s a victim in all this, too.
Thanks so much CathyJo, I really thought I was using my own name, until I posted a few comments about the Strickland fiasco….. and my husband pointed out my very stupid mistake, therfore I must apologize here as well as I have to him…. that is so very wrong to use another’s blogger name, however innocent….. spouse or not!! He will get over it tho:) And I do apologize to you all as well!!!
Looking forward to watching gramma Hollars on TV. I think you aren’t the only one Lindsy is mad at Cathy Jo. She calls Flora “Grandma Holler N’ Scream” on her YouTube page – LOL!
I can’t help but feel a heart for Grandma,she looks alot like my Amom!! Sweet and older and just so sweet!! No teeth! sorry but it’s true!!
Mine woulda throwed me under the bus for it oo if it were true!
n/p here but i don’t like different nix myself cuz then i simply don’t know ya,even if it’s one letter,i ain’t talkin’.LoL
I like Flora Hollars – she seems to be calling it as she sees and hears it.
Jason,she prolly has to scream to get the numbheads to listen,I don’t blame her at all!!!
shoot my Aparents had 54 gkid’s….somebody had to scream!!!! LoL
Cathy Jo @ 9:07: Exactly.
I agree there Jason,she may be the only one with enough hair to tell it like it is!!!
I can’t see a Grandma wanting too!!!!!!!! I couldn’t,I am a grandma myself and it would kill me to admit that but for a child with no defense,hello yea i would!!
BA…I saw your comment on that LPN page, LMAO!
I just Thank God she got the ball rolling,biggest stir since the whole thing..imo
Yes, I think she just wants to do what is right. Hope someone is looking out for her safety, to keep the angry ones from hurting her.
Cathy did your A-parents know all the grandkids names?
cathartic… yeah I couldn’t resist, and know I’m being harassed.
You’re being harassed? By whom? The one with the itty bitty brain??
No Adams,i thought my name was CathyVonnaReddy till i was well still do,lol
I truly believe there are a whole lot of Croslins that know what happened to HaLeigh, and I do think RC is as involved as the rest… My opinion of the true insight into RC’s grieving, was when he was wheeling and dealing drugs with the undercover cop……not in pre-arranged TV interviews…… he did these drug transactions before he picked his son up from pre-school, on his way to one more drug deal .. How can anyone believe a grieving father would put another child in harms way after the death/loss of his daughter?? I didn’t buy RC’s martyr act then and I certainly don’t now..
She never ever remembered the names!!
There are posters saying that it isn’t ‘the real’ Lindsy page, but they don’t give any explanation to back up their claim.
was on phone with dtr,sorry!
reddy was loretta,vonna was yvonne,lol but she always called you by 3-4 names no matter what!
JNet said,in April 20th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Have to agree now!
This is like watching a really bad movie. predators, evil cousins, weapon wars, drug lords, rats in mailboxes…
bullshit bullshit bullshit
Where was Joe Overstreet when the rat was put in the mailbox? Out of the state? Where was Nay Nay?
This isn’t about drug money or guns. This is about some pill popping, short-bus, wanna-be players who didn’t want Ron to find out they were out partying so they drugged a little girl so she’d sleep and wouldn’t tell on them.
Misty isn’t afraid of Overstreet….she’s afraid to admit to the man that she loved that she’s responsible for his child’s death.
The only evidence I’ve seen of anybody threatening anybody is Ron & Nay Nay. I know Ron’s reason, what’s Nay Nays?
Adams,they had 13 bio kids married off and then adopted me!
JNet said,in April 20th, 2010 at 8:42 pm Does anyone else notice how gramma Hollar looks to the right when she is uncertain or slow in answering a question???
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To the Right
Indicates: Auditory Remembered (Ar)
If you asked someone to “Remember what their mother’s voice sounds like “, this would be the direction their eyes moved in while thinking about the question as they “Auditorily Remembered ” this sound.
looking Right = Remembering
I think she has been as honest as she can be. Maybe she believed she was the person who initiated the search in the river. How was she to know at the time that Brown was the one who told them first or his info was what caused them to search? I doubt she was lying about calling PCSO and telling them what she knew, they did not release who gave the lead at that time, so, maybe she felt it was due to what she told them and had no idea about Brown and his role.
holler got no ball rolling…tommy and misty called within 15 minutes of each other and thats a coincidence? I think not! Tommy told his wife “they want me to say joe did it but I’m not going to lie”..guess what, he lying. So did misty if it true they called granny. LE placed immense TORTURE like pressure on them, so of couse who wouldn’t lie to stop the TORTURE! Misty in INNOCENT!!
imo.she did!
and imho misty and ron are guilty as sin!
and thats my opinion and i expect to be bashed but thats fine too,still fact is.imo
Skywise, I agree with much of what you said, but I think any or all of them would have ratted out NayNay in a nano-second.
I beleieve her, every single word!
No grandma wants to do that,I wouldn’t!!! she is telling the truth but they hate her for it when they should be praising her for the fact she stood up finally for HALEIGH!!!!!!!
NO one else has! ONCE!
Cathy Jo, it sounds to me like someone who read your post on L LPN page wants you to believe the page is not Lindsy Croslin’s.
Strange how someone(s) must think it is important to tell people that is not her page.
Tom’s attorney is one person who might not want people to think it is Lindsy’s page.
bbib
Who cares if it’s lindsy’s youtube or not? It’s not going to solve the crime against a child. Why the reference on there the other day about Gomer Pyle, Tommy, KFC and beer? It’s a joke either way. Now it’s making statements about Jan and Simon. it’s someone that doesn’t like this site that’s all.
naynay’s letter only repeated what detectives told her!
check out the transcript and letter and see for yourself.
goggle ‘naynay’s letter’ its the second link
did they really find a yellow rope from tc home??
right Jason,I think it is hers!
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978183728
Dunno for sure but just read it here! about bones,brix and a rope found?
Ya’ll needa quit pickin’ on Nanny Flo. I thought she looked purty. She’s just a sweet ol’ lady. She came clean and told on all of her grandkids. BE NICE>
Good evening!
If it is true, that Tom and Misty were in the backseat of a cruiser together, I would bet good money, Tom’s cut a deal.
All L.E. would have to do is have him wear a wire and give them two minutes alone, say, to get their stories straight about Joe.
In that circumstance, she would narc herself out in 30 seconds flat.
God Bless Her for telling what she know’s!
Who knows if they really found,Ah is getting info from the Croslins.First Chelsea says she doesn’t know Joe on NG,guess she knows him well enough to know he sleeps in his boxers,now she says Joe jumped out of bed fully clothes when they got the phone call at 4am.But,but,but,I thought she told AH they got the call at 4am and laid in bed till 6am,then they decided that it was pretty serious a 5 year old child was missing at 4am,so they should get up.Hello?
She said earlier they were up really late working on insurance,but then on NG she said Timmy was on meds and had been asleep for hours.Those dark circles under her eyes is making her look real bad,worried much?Maybe she just needs more sleep and stick to one story.
Grandma Flo is lying IMO. She has told several different versions, that no one can keep up. The truth is simple, straightforward, and not hard to tell. There is only one version of it and only one way to tell it. Hook her up to the “infamous” LDT machine and I guarantee she will “fail miserably”. JMO
Random Thoughts said,in April 20th, 2010 at 9:58 pm Good evening!
You have a point there b/c they sure haven’t allowed them to be alone before,or even talk!
Granny Flo knows them pretty well. She says that’s alright, they’ll be back. I thought, yes, when they run out of money. (Like, maybe, tomorrow!)
I think what was said was Misty and t had told her 3 versions!
Well,good grief,this stuff has got me so confused,I can’t type straight.I just read back my post and I can’t make sense out of it myself.LOL Maybe it’s because I just left AH’s site and it would confuse anyone.
It’s suppose to read,who knows what they found and Chelsea says Joe jumped out of bed fully clothed.~eyes rolling~ 🙂
Seems to me with all the many media outlets that was on the scene during the search that someone would have seen/reported seeing Misty and Tommy put into the back seat of a police car together….BUT only AH’s sources had knowledge of this??????
the simster said it didn’t happen so it didn’t happen.
Random Thoughts,
Weren’t TC and MC there two seperate days and not at the same time?
Lillian Glass said that Nanny Flo wuz tellin’ tha truth.
CathyJo63 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 9:58 pm http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978183728
Dunno for sure but just read it here! about bones,brix and a rope found?
Its there too Niterbug!
WinterRose:
One night on this blog I was so confused, I was asking questions and answering them, myself.
i wonder what EyesForLies sezz?
I think the reason Granny comes up with so many versions is because she is being told many versions. She’s getting the story from more than one source and each is telling it in their own *special* way. I was very suspicious of Granny’s motives at first, but not so much now. She appeared more credible to me tonight on JVM.
And at least Nancy Grace should have the decency to stop calling Crystal “biomom” since Ronald and Crystal will be planning thier child’s funeral.Pretty sleazy of Nancy since Crystal isn’t the one who killed the baby.I wish she had of taken her,at least she’d be alive.
It’s possible that no one saw them in a cruiser together at the boat ramp because they weren’t.
We are dealing with two counties, two jails, and one boat ramp. They could have been placed in a cruiser during transport back to the jail.
does anyone know if joe came to the mh at all during his visit?if not. i rememember reading somewhwre that they could not get joe to the mh after haleigh went missing, why?could it be that somehow he got wind of the idea they were gonna set him up and did not want to leave his dna? does anyone know?
LANCE: What I can tell you, Nancy, is that we were able to get a shot of this area across from where they are. We went to a neighbor. We were able to sit on their dock and see them putting down a tub into the water, then dragging the tub up and then sifting through whatever they were coming up with from that tub. What we were told last night from investigators is that there was no cooler that they found. However, it did appear from different photographs that there was a cooler that was pulled out of the water yesterday afternoon during their search.
GRACE: OK. To you, Marlaina Schiavo. Misty Croslin taken back out of her private jail cell today, rousted out in cuffs and prison blues, taken down to the dock. And I can see her. There she is, between police investigators in plain clothes. And at several junctures, she points out to the water with the cuffs, like she`s showing a specific spot. What happened?
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Misty was taken out for a second day in a row, Nancy, and this means that she is telling police what she knows. Now, we know that all along, she`s saying she didn`t know anything. And now it looks like, from what she told investigators yesterday and what she was showing them today, she is pointing out what may have happened that night that Haleigh went missing.
Cathy Jo, consider the source: Dark angel s _ _ _ 68 who has one favorite video (a skinhead one).
Judging from just the name, that’s no one I trust is telling the truth!
Karon,that’s so funny,between the theories,varying stories,Flora,my brain is fried.I know Misty and Tommy are involved,to me it’s 50/50 on rather Timmy or Joe.We’ll find out though.I hope soon.
HEYITSMEKELLY: What story are u referring to? I see now ur talking in a broader sense, not just about Ron; can u please tell me if ur referrring to a story u read on here on BNN, it’s very important to me.
There were no pics of Misty pointing.
Glass needs to learn to type correctly. Her articles are full of typos and half sentences. She said there was only one bedroom.
Cooline
On First Coast News,there’s the interview of Joe and his lawyer,the lawyer touches on that.I only watched once,what I think I’m hearing is he was there at some point that day,but lawyer wouldn’t go into it.I’ll have to listen again,but he is asked that question.
cooline: joe was at the mh that day as well as tommy..
Listen, I`m just telling you, this is not a bogus tip.
Out to Lou Palumbo, former Nassau County police investigator, now private investigator.
Lou, this is not all happening on a bogus tip. They`d have already packed up and left yesterday instead of working through the night. They`ve got something.
LOU PALUMBO, FMR. NASSAU COUNTY POLICE INVESTIGATOR, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: I agree 100 percent with you. I think that this young lady, Misty Croslin, for whatever reason has decided to come forth with information regarding how this child was disposed of.
It`s part of the deal-making. I think the cousin has knowledge of what happened here. And I think we`re going to see this thing come to an end very shortly. I mean, just by virtue of the fact she`s standing there pretty much implies that she`s provided information to this law enforcement agency to direct them to where this child was disposed.
GRACE: Everyone —
PALUMBO: The next part of it`s going to come down to charging her and finding out who else was complicit in this crime.
Cathy Jo, somewhere there is video of Misty saying (I think voice analysis video) that Joe had been to Rons, with both of her brothers because Ron had invited them. I think that is when they may have shown the prized rifle of Ron’s they wanted for themselves.
Natasha reported she saw Misty pointing to a specific spot??
ohh ty Jason!you always coul explain what i was trying to say,LoL
Has anyone figured out who the person is that Simon sez will “surprise” everyone when we find out?
Random,yes,i believe in the vst vid!
Timmy has thus far stayed out of the public eye yet he allows his wife to speak about matters instead.
and also when she said she wouldn’t be alone with him unless ron was around wasn’t it?
Simon Barrett @ 7:19 pm: Linda was right – check out the entire page (for comments).
The videos are just favorites of LindsyLPN.
Nanny,I have!
Why is Timmy hiding from the media instead of being 100% publicly supportive of his own family?
I suspect that ol’ Timmy knows stuff and he doesn’t want anyone to look at his face due to shame.
CHELSEA CROSLIN, MISTY CROSLIN`S SISTER-IN-LAW: I know.
M. CROSLIN: Yes.
C. CROSLIN: You know —
M. CROSLIN: But it`s going to hurt two people. It`s going to hurt two people.
CASAREZ: Another phone conversation she implicates that the person that is responsible is walking the streets free and we`re behind bars.
M. CROSLIN: You think, Chelsea, use your head. And you`ll know.
TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: They called us in to tell us that they were going to be doing a search. That the search was from a lead that they had gotten. It`s just a couple —
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
CHELSEA CROSLIN, MISTY CROSLIN`S SISTER-IN-LAW: I know.
M. CROSLIN: Yes.
C. CROSLIN: You know —
M. CROSLIN: But it`s going to hurt two people. It`s going to hurt two people.
CASAREZ: Another phone conversation she implicates that the person that is responsible is walking the streets free and we`re behind bars.
M. CROSLIN: You think, Chelsea, use your head. And you`ll know.
TERESA NEVES, GRANDMOTHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: They called us in to tell us that they were going to be doing a search. That the search was from a lead that they had gotten. It`s just a couple —
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
Tommy is coming home
Tommy didn’t fail ldt, just didn’t pass
big ole’ bed
food and beer
rope for neighbor kids for skip rope
TONGUE IN CHEEK COMMENTS…….
Tongue-in-cheek is a term used to refer to humour in which a statement, or an entire fictional work, is not meant to be taken seriously, but its sarcasm is {{{{{subtle}}}}.
This is my correction to Simon’s comment to Linda, please read it so there are no more misunderstandings. Thanks.
Jan Barrett
The first part of Simon’s comment addressed to Linda has been deleted by me, Jan Barrett for the following reason:
Simon’s response was because of what I said to him thinking Linda’s comment meant there was something said about us in the video itself. After he left this comment I went back in the YouTube page and listened to the video again and when I still didn’t hear anything I started searching on the page and that is when I spotted what Lindsy said in the comments.
I was the one that misunderstood Linda’s comment and I have personally apologized to her but I think I owe her an apology in here as well as everyone else.
The comment made about me by Lindsy could not be farther than the truth. My falling a lot has NOTHING to do with drugs or alcohol. I don’t do drugs (you couldn’t pay me to take them after I saw what they did to my own sister before she died) and I do not drink. I am however on different medications since I was told that I have a severe Vitamin D deficiency and my body is not cooperating with it, so it is a huge battle for me.
I am not telling anyone this for pity, please, I do not want that. I am fighting this to get my health back. The only reason I am even telling you all this is because I don’t want anyone to believe this garbage about me and YES I do have a doctor that can back me up about me not being on drugs and alcohol.
I am truly sorry to Linda with Simon’s response as he was only going by what I told him and if any of you get mad about his comment please don’t blame him, blame me and I only pray you forgive me for my mistake. I am really sorry. We try our best to be honest with everyone and we admit when we are wrong.
Thanks and I wish you all a good night,
Jan Barrett
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I take pride in my work, and as opposed to some journo’s I do actually check my facts. And what is being aired right now on HLN is complete BS.
Simon Barrett
Apr 20, 7:19 PM — Haleigh Cummings – Some Comments From Tim Miller
wrong!! Timmy is staying out of the line of fire..LE is mowing everyone down like the massacre at my lai..
cathartic said (9:42 pm)
I agree with much of what you said, but I think any or all of them would have ratted out NayNay in a nano-second.
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My reply: She can’t implicate Nay Nay without implicating herself.
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OJ’s glove said (9:53 pm)
naynay’s letter only repeated what detectives told her!
check out the transcript and letter and see for yourself.
goggle ‘naynay’s letter’ its the second link
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My reply: I don’t have to Google Nay Nay’s letter. I’m very aware of her threats toward Pytko.
Now what do we believe? What they said at the beginning or what they said today? But I can tell you something. They have something in the water. I don`t care what they`re saying. They haven`t found anything of evidentiary value. BS. Because you don`t have cops working through the night with lights and scuba divers, search teams, cadaver dogs.
You come back the next day, you bring Misty Croslin out there in her handcuffs to points out a specific spot in the water. No, they`ve got something.
What do you think, Jean Casarez?
CASAREZ: You`re exactly right. And I think what is so interesting is that it is Misty and it is the one that we just heard Ellie say in the press release months ago. They said they believe Misty is not coming forward with information. And she is the one that they are standing right on right now waiting to hear what she has to say at the water`s edge.
GRACE: Natisha Lance, have they packed up and left yet?
They didn’t show any video of Misty pointing the evening that I watched. And I would think if NG had video of that, she would be showing it and no other video. All I have ever seen is Misty just standing there; I never saw her point or gesture or anything. If anyone knows a link for video of Misty on the dock pointing, please share.
I was posting because natisha said she SAW her pointing!
Timmy is Misty’s go to Brother pretty much right? Why isn’t Timmy there for Misty when she desperately needs his full support?
I too have never seen any Misty pointing videos….
I’d say they’d have hid that from tv??at the time!
LANCE: You`re absolutely right, Nancy. There does seem to be some terse (ph) in words there. Last night, they were saying they did not find Haleigh Cummings, and today they are saying they did not find anything of evidentiary value. So we don`t know exactly what is going on.
However, there were divers who were in the water all day today sifting through that area. And as Marlaina pointed out, Misty Croslin also appeared to be on the scene today in handcuffs, pointing out something for investigators. So there does continue to be fluid movement at this crime scene, just as you said earlier.
GRACE: Back to Jean Casarez, who has been joining us throughout this search. Everyone, the search went on through the night last night, resuming this morning. Jean Casarez, what more can you tell me? Misty Croslin down there on the docks, motioning to police where they should look out in the water. Police are dredging the bottom of that river.
GRACE: OK. Natisha, what can you tell me about what we thought was an ice chest being pulled out of the river last night?
LANCE: What I can tell you, Nancy, is that we were able to get a shot of this area across from where they are. We went to a neighbor. We were able to sit on their dock and see them putting down a tub into the water, then dragging the tub up and then sifting through whatever they were coming up with from that tub. What we were told last night from investigators is that there was no cooler that they found. However, it did appear from different photographs that there was a cooler that was pulled out of the water yesterday afternoon during their search.
GRACE: OK. To you, Marlaina Schiavo. Misty Croslin taken back out of her private jail cell today, rousted out in cuffs and prison blues, taken down to the dock. And I can see her. There she is, between police investigators in plain clothes. And at several junctures, she points out to the water with the cuffs, like she`s showing a specific spot. What happened?
So i dunno,just posting it!
now be honest..who saw misty point at the water?
thats NG and AH reporting for you…birds of a feather.
People who comment to this Lindsy on youtube should ask her why she threw out the workboots and made sure to say that tommy can’t even hardly get out of the bed or she wakes up! If she’s putting down Flora, well, at least Flora speaks up like a real woman instead of giggling and smiling like a 13 year old. Bet she didn’t talk to her husband or husbands like they were little kids either when they did wrong.
GRACE: Now, police could either arrest him if they thought he was the perp — but they haven`t — or they could be waiting until they possibly, theoretically find Haleigh`s body and see if he runs. Because nothing looks more incriminating to a jury than somebody running, OK? So it could be either of those two things.
But it speaks volumes to me, Ellie, that they didn`t bring Joe down, they didn`t bring Tommy Croslin out of the jailhouse that we know of, they brought Misty Croslin down to the docks to show police a specific spot in the St. John`s River.
JOSTAD: Right. That`s right, Nancy. And remember, the whole cousin Joe was involved somehow — that story originated with Misty Croslin. She was telling media and people that about nine days after Haleigh went missing. So this whole Joe Overstreet involvement started with Misty`s allegations.
LOL at how NG ALWAYS refers to Misty’s cell as “private” as though it were a luxury. I bet the girl would pay a pinky finger for a cellmate.
Isolation my be for the prisoner’s protection, but trust me, isolation is ALWAYS punitive for the prisoner.
LOL at how NG ALWAYS refers to Misty’s cell as “private” as though it were a luxury. I bet the girl would pay a pinky finger for a cellmate.
Isolation my be for the prisoner’s protection, but trust me, isolation is ALWAYS punitive for the prisoner.
I wouldn’t have thought Natisha would false report it! I dunno guys,honest,lol i am skeptical too but there it is.
brb gonna look for something!
If I were Timmy and my Baby Sister and/or Brother were being trashed unfairly, publicly accused of something that I 100% knew that neither had done or could ever do then NOTHING in this world would stop me from protecting either one of them PERIOD!
What did Timmy do?
He moved away.
How…convenient…I suppose?
CathyJo63 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 10:13 pm i wonder what EyesForLies sezz?
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Funny as I just went to check that out, she actually posted about Pat Brown’s take on it:
Pat Brown’s Speculation on Haleigh
Being able to see the truth, one thing is very hard for me: listening to people speculate at what happened. I think it is because a lot of what people speculate about has no evidentuary support. Human behavior is evidence. People behave the way they do for a reason. We can never discount it, which a lot of people do when they speculate. So when cases start to break, I often steer clear because I go loopy listening to speculation that has no basis in reality. You cannot ignore basic facts.
I heard lots of stories about what might have happened to Haleigh Cummings and most don’t even remotely interest me because they are so far off the charts. The idea that Ronald was totally uninvolved is ridiculous, and Pat Brown has offered the first plausible scenario that I have heard of what might have happened to Haleigh. I thought I would share it with you.
IT’s on her eyesfor liesblogspot link, wasn’t sure I could link that here or not, so I didn’t
Tommy was at the dock…but it was before anyone knew anything was going on. I really think NG likes to point out every breath Misty takes, and downplays anything having to do with anyone else who might be involved. I basically stopped watching NG due to this case. I tune in now only when I know something might be on about Haleigh, but if I can get the news from JVM or anywhere other than NG, that’s my first choice. NG is just too biased and she seems to not be playing with a full deck, imo.
The youtube is a joke (sarcasm). Seen those types of things for years following cases. If this is your first case, then you have a lot to learn on how ppl play jokes on the WWW. Don’t give the attention and they get bored and go away.
Nancy screwed up tonight saying they were “Haleigh’s bones”. No wonder she got
sued and Art is being sued too in another case.
tuff stuff, in the jail video, Hank Sr. tells Tommy something like ‘I told you to get out of here and go to Mass, with your brother.’
I’d say Timmy heeded Daddy’s advice and got out of dodge. If it was me, and they had arrested my mom, my dad, my brother and my sister, with these crazy bonds, they might get a call but I wouldn’t step foot in the state unless legally ordered too.Lol
I wonder why Chelsea’s eyes had such dark circles when she was on the NG show? She looked awfully stressed out imo.
Jan, I don’t think any one is mad at your or Simon about his earlier post, and I’m certainly not. Linda doesn’t sound upset about it either, and she posted an explanation that you may not have seen.
I read the comments at LindsyLPN as angry insults, nothing more. You and Simon have done a great job with this blog, and it is much appreciated – just very callous comments over there that I didn’t take as truth, but feel you’re wise to refute them.
You can do it, Jan – keep fighting to help your body build up the stores of Vitamin D you need – best wishes.
NG is inciting a lynch mob! if anything happens to misty its her fault!
catharitic, I almost quit watching NG because of the way she treated Haleigh’s mother. Custodial parent or not, NG was a rude pig to the girl and her attorney.
I watch because they at least do extensive coverage.
Random Thoughts that could be possible but too why would they need to run off and live out of state if they were completely innocent?
Big Daddy Hank’s advice wouldn’t mean squat especially if they were not doing anything illegal.
maybe they just put small animal bones in front of her face and pretended just to see what she would reveal… is AH ex-fbi? is this how he gets such inside info or is this just speculation? i can picture LE saying” no bones were found” even if there really were and leaking the info slowly to specific inside reporters but with them speculating JO was already in custody and getting it wromg, this could all be BS speculation. On the other hand if its true then this is definitely coming to a close. I’m up in the air whether this is beleivable or not and won’t be speculating anymore the next few days until I see if it’s legit.
Cathartic:
I saw a picture of Misty standing out there pointing at the water. It wasn’t a video. It looked like they had taken at least one hand out of the handcuffs for her to point. I think I saw it on Radionewz blog, and I don’t know if they still have it on there. I will try to find it, if I can. If any of you aren’t going to Radionewz Blog, you should. They have the latest videos and articles as it happens on this case. They have alot of the area news stations on there. I don’t comment, but I go there and watch the videos and read the articles. Then I come back here to comment.
I wonder about Misty not talking. They are putting out whatever they need to to rope all the people in that had anything to do with this. At first they talked like she was and, now, they say she isn’t.
http://www.wesh.com/news/23209510/detail.html
~Mr. Art Harris. A Modern Day Lord Haw-Haw~
google the above and read the article. It is very fitting for him and his outrageous comments about trying to make himself out to be a war hero. It involves tomatoes and his involvement in another case. LOL SO worth the read.
wasn’t Hank and Lisa’s residence right down the street from Shell Harbor rd.’s dock on Magnolia. I think Karon pointed this out on another thread. With hank and lisa gone at the hospital those kids might have had access to that empty house or shed. Maybe her lifeless body was brought here and staged for getting ready to weight her down.
The stories are too wild now to believe much of what we see or hear. The lawyers are all out there spinning and changing their stories every day. Then LE is trying to trick everyone involved into a confession. I think we have to wait and see what happens for a couple of days.
LE has blown the case bigtime! They bungled the search for haleigh from the beginning buy focusing all their efforts on misty! The idiots couldn’t find their arses with a road map!
just said I wouldn’t speculate anymore and there I go again. I can’t pull mytself away from this case for more than a few hours at a time! When is this case gonna end?
I’m starting to agree with Tuff Stuff. Maybe Timmy did have some involvement. He IS the only one that we haven’t seen and really hasn’t come forward or said anything. If he is as close to his sister as everyone is saying, you think he would be taking up for her or something. And Simon and Padilla did say that it would be someone that no one was thinking about. Po Nanny Flo. Now there’s Fo!
Me122:
Hank Sr.’s house was only 5 or 6 houses away from the MH.
Karon. I thought Hank lived on Magnolia down by the dock and Tommy lived 5 or 6 houses down from MC/RC’s trailer !@???
WinterRose said,in April 20th, 2010 at 10:13 pm And at least Nancy Grace should have the decency to stop calling Crystal “biomom” since Ronald and Crystal will be planning thier child’s funeral.Pretty sleazy of Nancy since Crystal isn’t the one who killed the baby.I wish she had of taken her,at least she’d be alive.
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Winterrose, I so agree with your comments, Nancy never misses an opportunity to degrade, belittle and chide Crystal for not being mom of the yr, yet she seems to forget HaLeigh was in Ron’s trailer, and was subjected to (along with Jr) the pitiful lifestyle choices of a dad who loves his dope more than his children. Tim Miller was right when he stated that it was a d@mn discgrace to haul his kids to dope deals and expose them to the danger that goes along with that lifestyle, he evn went as fa to say that Jr shouldn’t be in his care and I agree. I too wish Crystal had taken HaLeigh because I surely believe we wouldn’t be hearing these grusome details of her death, and her disposal by being tied to cinder blocks, tossed in the river for crabs etc to eat away at her body little by little.
Where did Timmy and Chelsea live exactly when Haleigh was reported as missing?
I’ve heard all kinds of stories from that they lived in a mh to an apartment etc… but I truly have no clue where they lived then. Does anyone else know?
tia.
I don’t blame these people for moving and not wanting to be named in the media, their facebooks, myspace and twitters posted associated with this case. I’m not saying they aren’t involved or don’t know anything, but the posting of everyone’s personal info is wrong.
This will affect them forever with the internet. Employers, insurance companies and others will see this and their names associated. One site is trying to say that a se x offender in FL by the name of Overstreet is involved. The internet has opened so many avenues of people being libeled and their names and personal information posted and associated with a situation or crime and it could be and will be detrimental.
What if it happened in someone’s family that you know and all their info was put on the internet for employers to see and affected that person’s life?
Mel22 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:08 pm maybe they just put small animal bones in front of her face and pretended just to see what she would reveal… is AH ex-fbi? is this how he gets such inside info or is this just speculation?
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I’ve never heard that AH is ex-FBI or anything but he is a very good journalist. His reporting is critisized a lot here especially by our host. Simon is not shy about that. AH resides in GA I think but obviously has close contacts in Putnam and his sources trust him. I believe he has sources who some may be a little jealous of I don’t know for sure. His reporting isn’t always perfect he makes mistakes from time to time but when he’s said he stands by his story it’s always turned out to be true.
Yeah I suppose you are right GoneWild but still family is family and if someone was accusing my family members of something and I knew it wasn’t right I could give a rats rear end what people were looking at as long as I knew my family member(s) were 100% innocent.
Simple as that.
So are you saying that people should care less about the truth because your own personal image is more important and trumps your family members well being?
No flippin’ way imvho.
timmy and joe are not in jail cause they left dodge, they would have been SET UP too like misty was, because LE is trying to distract from their inept bungling of the haleigh investigation! and pin it on anybody! LE don’t care who, as long as the glare of ineptitude is taken off their incompetent behinds.
The lying evidence planting lowlifes!
OJ’s your story line would make a great book though I suppose. imvho thus far genre fiction.
Dylan said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:44 pm Mel22 said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:08 pm maybe they just put small animal bones in front of her face and pretended just to see what she would reveal… is AH ex-fbi? is this how he gets such inside info or is this just speculation?
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I’ve never heard that AH is ex-FBI or anything but he is a very good journalist. His reporting is critisized a lot here especially by our host. Simon is not shy about that. AH resides in GA I think but obviously has close contacts in Putnam and his sources trust him. I believe he has sources who some may be a little jealous of I don’t know for sure. His reporting isn’t always perfect he makes mistakes from time to time but when he’s said he stands by his story it’s always turned out to be true.
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LMAO
He is not credible. He is up to his neck in computer spoliation in another case. His “main” confident spilled the beans. He has called someone a kissing cousin, knife boy, received stolen garbage from a blogger who took someone else’s garbage and then he posted about it on his site, lied and said that a famous atty flew bloggers to Bahamas to report and lie when HE and ET where the one’s there paying someone to report to them.
He had a desk job in the military and flew back home with dead bodies and tried to say he was in the thick of the war.
I got to say this, When we all find out for sure if indeed this is Haleighs bones, cant we all have a memorail here for her and light candles all day for just her and try not to talk about others? Hope you all know what I am meaning here and where I am coming from. Look how many candles we could lite for this precious child.I am saying this from me heart for Haleigh. jmo
Lite candles for Haleigh.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=HAMC
why did it take a confession to find the bones of heleigh police are trained how did these uneducated druggies out smart the police and the fbi. couldnt they have tracked mud on tires or shoes dont they watch csi. was any ones hands tested for gun powder residue. misty naming the harbor as a place to look throws me is she that cunning and conniving to try reverse psychology by throwin that in there?
Dylan, reason i asked is bcz , just any ol’ reporter off the street doesn’t get that kind of “inside”info and in advance of others especilally when LE adamantly said ‘they found ,no bones’. Info like that would have to be insider-leaked info or speculation from a reporter standing far away. One of NG’s producers/reporters tried to shoot the claim down and say it was only ‘open’. I’m just wondering how beleivable it is for them to claim they were Haleighs bones. Its EITHER careless speculation or so true its INSIDER ONLY information. I don’t see any middle ground for what was reported. IMO, it can be only one or the other. What’s your take on that statement? bcz i know if I walked up big and burley asking for info they’d say who are you, get outta here. Thats why I thought AH might have old FBI buddies that he got this info from. If hes even FBI (that was my reason for the speculative question above) I just don’t see how he could cite that kind of important info unless it was leaked purposely. JMO
Ron did it.
I remember one recording of a phone call between Tommy and Timmy. I hesitated to even mention it since I cannot remember how long ago it was, but Timmy says to Tommy that he can’t come to Florida because he thinks if he does “they might get me on something.”
Now, this may just have been said in sarcasm, or it could have been paranoia over everyone in his family being either in jail or out on bond at the time.
Tuff Stuff said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:46 pm Yeah I suppose you are right GoneWild but still family is family and if someone was accusing my family members of something and I knew it wasn’t right I could give a rats rear end what people were looking at as long as I knew my family member(s) were 100% innocent.
Simple as that.
So are you saying that people should care less about the truth because your own personal image is more important and trumps your family members well being?
No flippin’ way imvho
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Yep, That’s how the internet, rampant rumors and google work. Some family just want to distance themselves from others and protect their future and their children’s future from being all over the internet. Wouldn’t that be common, eh? It’s call privacy and everyone is entitled to it.
The internet is too invasive.
Think about this!
Supposedly LE are showing Misty bones (human/animal is unknown)…..now why would they be showing her bones if she’d told them that the St. John’s River is where Haleigh may be?
IMO, They’re showing her bones to scare her….Misty obviously hasn’t told LE what it is they want to hear.
Why would LE release tapes of jail conversations between Tommy and his father with Tommy saying, ‘LE are liars, they want me to say Joe did it, but I’m not gonna to, I feel bad messing up someone’s life when I don’t know if he was involved or not”.
Was Tommy lying about not knowing if Joe was involved, why did LE allow that tape to be released?
Why are LE showing Misty bones?
IMO – They still don’t know who/what/when/where……………LE are grasping!
A funeral without a body?
The Croslins have no money and are probably dependent on public defenders. Compare them, to the family of JonBenet Ramsey. John himself had one the most powerful attorney’s in the state of Denver, Patty’s had two or three attorney’s, Burke had a lawyer. Heck, John even lawyerd up his ex-wife. They hired publicists.
If the Croslins had money we would see a much different scenerio playing out. Guilty or not guilty it would be very different.
These people are screwed in the sense that they will have to cut plea deals to get shorter sentences, whereas, people with money don’t have to plea to crap.
I meant state of Colorado, not Denver.Lol
Well GoneWild at least when Timmy is skeered of something he doesn’t keep going back to it I suppose?
Noreen said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:07 am Think about this!
Supposedly LE are showing Misty bones (human/animal is unknown)…
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Noreen, I feel your pain. I agree with your post. we all have become to love this child.
AnneInTn said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm I got to say this, When we all find out for sure if indeed this is Haleighs bones, cant we all have a memorail here for her and light candles all day for just her and try not to talk about others? Hope you all know what I am meaning here and where I am coming from. Look how many candles we could lite for this precious child.I am saying this from me heart for Haleigh. jmo
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Lighting candles is all well and considerate, yet it really does nothing to close this case and as much as you dislike talking about other, it is a fact that LE has to try their best to determine the WHO in whodunnit and that always includes extremely close scrutiny of family first, then goes from there. Honestly, no one is NOT a suspect in this case that was a part of her life and certainly that inlcudes Ron, Misty, Tommy, Joe etc.
I’m pretty sure people don’t plea down to lesser charges unless they actually did something. If innocent they go to trial… to plea is an admission of guilt and no trial except sitting on the (WITNESS) stand and (CONFESSING) against someone else as the main culprit. Cannot accept a plea without accepting the charges which meand gulit in whatever part that was played which brings the right verdict in most cases.
Chelsea must wear the pants in that family for sure!
Looks like it to me anyways. Timmy seems like a wimp in comparison. Chelsea sure has no problems in dealing with what Timmy should be doing himself, after all, it is “HIS BLOOD RELATIVES” who’s lives are under the microscope on a high profile case involving what LE has deemed as a homocide.
just one said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:12 am AnneInTn said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm I got to say this, When we all find out for sure if indeed this is Haleighs bones, cant we all have a memorail here for her and light candles all day for just her and try not to talk about others? Hope you all know what I am meaning here and where I am coming from. Look how many candles we could lite for this precious child.I am saying this from me heart for Haleigh. jmo
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Lighting candles is all well and considerate, yet it really does nothing to close this case and as much as you dislike talking about other, it is a fact that LE has to try their best to determine the WHO in whodunnit and that always includes extremely close scrutiny of family first, then goes from there. Honestly, no one is NOT a suspect in this case that was a part of her life and certainly that inlcudes Ron, Misty, Tommy, Joe etc.
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well i agree with you but cant we just have a Haleigh day? It is just about her, ya know.Was just a thought. jmo
OJ’s glove said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:49 pm timmy and joe are not in jail cause they left dodge, they would have been SET UP too like misty was, because LE is trying to distract from their inept bungling of the haleigh investigation! and pin it on anybody! LE don’t care who, as long as the glare of ineptitude is taken off their incompetent behinds.
The lying evidence planting lowlifes!
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Who did it? Please tell us.
I thought it was a nice thought Anne. Very nice thought and gesture.
Tuff Stuff said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:20 am I thought it was a nice thought Anne. Very nice thought and gesture.
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TY Tuff. I know my heart is breaking and others are too as well as the innocent familys.
OJ’s glove
I don’t know that I would go that far I really don’t think they would plant evidence and I don’t see how they could or why they would. When all this comes to light then it will come to light how much was blundered. For me it started with LETTING TOMMY CROSLIN OUT AND NOT TESTING THE CROSLIN FAMILY THE FIRST DAY AFTER THIS CHILD WENT MISSING. Misty won’t be the first person to go along with things and stay silent even in a crime like this. Sadly far to often it is woman that do it with abusive men. On their own the woman in the cases seem to do fine and would not hurt a fly or do anything illegal. I personally don’t understand it I would rather die trying than to not try at all. Perhaps in some way some physiological way she was trying by pointing to the place, persons involved, maybe that was her way. I won’t judge that because I have to understand not every woman comes out the gate swinging with “die trying” method. There will be specialist at the trial and perhaps they will be able to give better insight regarding all of this. With out strong evidence no Jury is going to convict anyone of this crime accept Misty that is the double edge of the sword better known as “Sunshine laws and the marriage it has with media”
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Timmy surely must have some compassion for his own family right?
People are so concerned that Misty was the one who made the 911 call instead of Ron well how about this situation right here with Chelsea being the one who wears the pants when it comes time to speak about the case?
Chelsea is a lot more woman that anyone has given her credit for.
What about Timmy?
hmmm…..
Can anyone provide a link for the Jailhouse video’s where Lindsey tells Tommy that he parents aren’t allowed around the kids?
I can’t seem to locate it.
Me122;
I really think Hank sr and Lisa were living with Tommy and Lyndsay, 5 or 6 doors down. Timmy was further away. I thought it was 9 miles away, but I think Chelsea said 3 miles in her interview. If someone else knows for sure, tell us what tou know. None of them lived very far away.
The police were at Tommy’s on the same street when the 9-1-1 call was made, because his dog was barking.
Annie:
I will light a candle with you and not talk about others for that day.
The way NG treated Crystal is the reason I got fed up with her, also. I thought it was horrendous. Especially given NG’s many rants about mothers who allow dangerous people into their homes and around their kids. NG is livid when something happens to the child and blames the mother for her putting her kids in harm’s way.
But that’s exactly what Ron did, and NG claimed from the get-go and still claims to this day that Ron is “totally innocent” in Haleigh’s disappearance. Well, to me he is just as much at fault as the mothers NG always blames. Even if Ron did nothing directly to Haleigh, he put his kids in harm’s way, imo.
TOO FUNNY April 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
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Right on! I like him better and better. Thank you!
Blue Moon said,in April 20th, 2010 at 11:44 am According to reports from a tip that recieved a little girl was seen in Tennessee with a man and a woman in a red 4×4 and the man looked to be sheilding the little girl, apparently the car was taken in and searched in depth, why would they take the car in and search it thoroughly if it didn’t have something to do with Haleigh Cummings??
does anyone know if this was when misty was in TN? could it have been Misty and Joe in the red truck Tommy sold?
I will light a candle and not talk about anyone either,even if they aint no good,lol
Karon, you might be right ,I had no clue , they lived with them at the time. I do remember they were staying with them when the argument over CD’s happened. I’m just wondering if the two incidents are being confused bcz if LE was on the same street when Ron got home you’d think he’d run fifty or sixty yards to go ask the officer down there for help. What time of night was it. Were they around the same time at 3 in the morning? or earlier that same night? that might shore up Tommy’s real timeline since he was supposedly checking on Misty earlier that night when lindsey was gone at school. I never heard his parents stayed there too.
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Karon said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:36 am Annie:
I will light a candle with you and not talk about others for that day
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-CathyJo63 said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:58 am I will light a candle and not talk about anyone either,even if they aint no good,lol
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Thank you . We together can pick the right day. I am open. God Bless Haleigh.
Cathy Jore im back lol.GIRL I HOPE YOUR OK.
I dont know who was spanking you.But we never got spanked like that.Mom would let us chill,an she would to,she didnt punish while angry,then if it was serious enough she spanked us.But we never got beat like that.We got disiplined,but never to the point of abuse.Some parent dont take theirs an do them like that.Granny would get a tiny switch an sting us,or mom would take a paper thin paddle,we got 2 licks on our butts,no where else.Half the time we giggled when she left the room,but knew not to push her.
misty was a sleep, she woke up and haleigh was gone…period! Joe and tommy were at the MH earlier that day and decided to come back at night and steal the rifle..they were cracked up and took haleigh as revenge because they couldn’t find the rifle. Tommy had been in a fight with ron over the gun that was stolen earlier so he wanted payback..joe went along to backup tom and do a burglary.
Mel22 April 20th, 2010 at 11:59 pm:
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AH reported that Misty was shown bones. He also said that LE sent the bones to the lab for DNA testing. Nancy however wanted a bombshell that Haleigh’s bones were found to which AH did not comply.
My take on it is with his experience he is no novice. I’ll go with what he reported, however he got his information.
I thought I remeber him saying that misty was shown (haleighs) bones which would be different, but i might be mistaken so i’ll go back and rewatch.
simon said it didn’t happen so it didn’t happen Dylan!
Dylan, I have to say I agree. I think they found bones due to telling family to plan a funeral. I just don’t see them saying that unless it were true and Terry SHoemaker even made a statement refuting ROn’s claim that he was never told that. THey have something 7 whatever it is, it’s enough.
Mel22 April 21st, 2010 at 1:14 am
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I think his report is up on his site also.
HollysGmom said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:17 am Dylan, I have to say I agree. I think they found bones due to telling family to plan a funeral. I just don’t see them saying that unless it were true and Terry SHoemaker even made a statement refuting ROn’s claim that he was never told that. THey have something 7 whatever it is, it’s enough.
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HollysGmom, what does something 7 mean? what would that mean i wonder.
OMG!.. the “funeral” statement was a “misspoke” by one of the lawyers..rons I think..he acknowledged it later by saying he meant “memorial”.
Misty was never taken to see bones nor was tommy!
I didn’t read on his site, i was going by his appearance on NG, but i’ll have to re-check his words tomorrow bcz noone downloaded it to youtube yet from what I can tell.
SOrry was suppose to say something & whatever it is, it’s enough…
7 should be &
If what they had found was nothing to the Haleigh case, they would tell us what it was IMO. Hardy said “We’re not telling” not “we found nothing” IMO
I think i might change my nic to ‘something 7’ bcz it sounds cool even in error
It’s so hard to listen to the reports of bones being found and everything else. If it is her then hopefully LE can close this terrible case soon.
I thought Misty and Tommy was taken there to the boat dock at 2 diffent times. Tommy went first and then Misty. Correct me if I am wrong. jmo
One thing that came to me was the ice chest reported found the other day and then all of a sudden it was discounted and that was what they LE “were using”, well I am going back to that and “if” reports are correct they found Haleighs bones then I am betting they did find an ice chest weighted down with poor Haleigh in it.
This case is so sad but what is SO SAD is the players involved, I am not going to make fun of people for their different background, however they are all such horrible human beings.
I am still so on the fence about Ron Cummings I hate to say that someone would kill their own child, as With Casey Anthony I always gave out hope she got in way over head with bad players and well that wasn’t the case, she is crazy and lost her soul along the way.
i hear ya, i want it closed and done ,no matter what was said about bones
Reports said “evidence found” but couldn’t list due to PCSO refusal to list (good thing)
Then next statements say “Haleigh likely deceased”
Then next day is “Family told to plan a funeral”
So it just seems logical that they found some reason to believe Haleigh was murdered. As to who did it, that’s still up for grabs.
OJ’s glove said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:14 am simon said it didn’t happen so it didn’t happen Dylan!
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Said what didn’t happen?
Dylan said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:27 am It’s so hard to listen to the reports of bones being found and everything else. If it is her then hopefully LE can close this terrible case soon
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Yep I agree. I have had tears ever sence I heard this.
do you see how this “funeral” statement was twisted? Well the letter from naynay was twisted also..
Anne, they both made multiple trips, the last together…
Good tactic to clear up exactly who did what or if someone else is to blame
OJ; Have you heard Terry SHoemaker’s most recent statement? He says it was NO mistake…family were told that.
I feel like I’m still in some emotional limbo while waiting to know for sure….How long before DNA comes back? You think they’ll expidite for this case?
I heard Shoemakers last statement too. It was said. I have the link somewhere.
shoemaker mispoke..he was not QUOTING LE.
ON the reports tonite they said 3 days no longer than a week for DNA ..Hope we hear by friday. Just thinking
NO human remains have been found, no bones were shown to misty, misty and tommy did not ride in a vehicle together..grow a brain people and do not believe everything you read on AH or hear on NG..
Haleigh’s Dad Told To Make Funeral Arrangements
Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:48:06 AM
SATSUMA — Haleigh Cummings’ father was reportedly told to start making funeral arrangements for his missing daughter.
However, an attorney for Ronald Cummings said his client hopes the tip that led investigators to search the St. Johns River near Walaka was a false lead.
This is from News 13
last few days to me seem like either ‘careless’ reporting or purposly ‘withheld’ info.. The reason I say that is bcz first we have NG assuming the blue ice chest was discovered ( later was reported to be a tool), a new suspect JO was in custody( reality was he was only questioned), ‘funeral’ arrangements should be made ( lawyer may possibly have meant memorial), today haleighs bones shown to misty ( might not be true )… what are we to beleive.. we speculate on here then go to the NEWS to get the real info, to clear up the speculation, but lately it seems like the NEWS are the speculaters. it seems like sensational reporting , not true reporting. They should leave the speculation for the forums. I actually think some of their news they are getting from the forums.
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — While boats and divers scoured the St. Johns River this week near Satsuma, detectives met with Haleigh Cummings’ family.
Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, was walked out of jail for a while so detectives could also update him on the search for his missing daughter.
His attorney, Terry Shoemaker, told First Coast News that Cummings and his family were advised to make funeral arrangements.
“Yeah, you can understand how Ron would be shocked at that because he’s hoping it ends, but still holding hope that maybe they’re wrong that maybe something else happened and this will end up as another false lead,” Shoemaker said.
This is from Firstcoast news.
Something 7 said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:41 am
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Yes I agree. But it showed a chest with divers symbols on the side of one chest. My hubby is a diver and i would know those symbols anywhere. jmo
I said ron’s lawyer misspoke..he corrected it later.
AnneInTn,
Having a day on this blog to light a candle for Haleigh is a wonderful idea for everyone who blogs here to take part in.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/media/lib/1/7/5/e/75e01fad-6e45-45f3-bf2a-f74132b17585/SheffieldAtty.PDF
This is a PDF file and its from Crystals Lawyer saying no arrangements are being made at this time.But she has been in contact with Ron about this matter.
Jason said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:50 am AnneInTn,
Having a day on this blog to light a candle for Haleigh is a wonderful idea for everyone who blogs here to take part in.
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Jason TY, This blog is Haleighs and I felt in my heart we need to do something here for Her. Hope Jan and Simion can set us up a thread just for this When the time is right. So Sad. I hope LE is WRONG.
Annie my dads a diver and I know that symbol. I’m glad you mentioned it bcz i never looked twice. I will definitely look to see if I see that symbol. Thanks for clarifying up some info for me. Im supposing youre saying that symbol would mean that it is surely a tool from the divers team and not a ‘found’ chest which would actually reiterate my point that the news is jumping too fast on their stories although Nancy Grace is more like a gossip talk show and not real news anyway. I’m not sure what to make of her show. Never have Never will. She’s odd in the way she jumps from witch to ‘precious friend’ in the bat of an eyelash. Strange but interesting. Did ya know she had a fiance’ murdered before? I think thats why she’s the way she is. I guess she has that right.
I had tweeted last night about a live chat type thing on Haleigh’s day…I wonder if it would be considered too intrusive. A lot of people want to do SOMETHING together for those who can’t physically go. I hope to be able to but would only give respectfull reports on happenings & people.
OJ: How do those statements correct it? He’s saying, yes, plan it. ROn thinks he knows what happened to her, LE know what happened but aren’t releasing it yet.
Something 7 said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:57 am Annie my dads a diver and I know that symbol. I’m glad you mentioned it bcz i never looked twice. I will definitely look to see if I see that symbol. Thanks for clarifying up some info for me. Im supposing youre saying that symbol would mean that it is surely a tool from the divers team and not a ‘found’ chest which would actually reiterate my point that the news is jumping too fast on their stories although Nancy Grace is more like a gossip talk show and not real news anyway. I’m not sure what to make of her show. Never have Never will. She’s odd in the way she jumps from witch to ‘precious friend’ in the bat of an eyelash. Strange but interesting. Did ya know she had a fiance’ murdered before? I think thats why she’s the way she is. I guess she has that right.
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Yes i did new she had a fiance murdered. But i thought i saw a video too, that was a white cooler with the divers symbol on each end of it. I will try to find that video tomorrow IF i dont forget.But a blue cooler was mentioned but I never saw it..dont mean it want not there.jmo
Ladies, you are correct. It is a tool used by divers to sift through the muck & mud of the river bottom. There were bone shard/peices found in that muck & mud. SOme suspected to be deer bones. The other, if any..???
Lordy!!! I got through to Mizz Nancee 4 times tonight, then as usual, the reception dies!!! I’m hanging over my daughter’s bed, head bent to right side smashed against the wall, might as well put foil on my darn head to get better satellite. (thanx sprint)
5 time!!! Yay!! But I just missed the Haleigh questions…What?? No, I do not have any questions for the “Church Mom STORY”…(It’s the nightmare scenario I keep playing in my head, so close….yet so far….)
Oh well, as Scarlett said, “after all, tomorrow is another day.”
Just wait, Mizz Nancee!!! Dangit, too, cuz I had a good question:
If Joe’s attorney stated his client was “sleeping” and got notified just like everyone else at the house with the 4am phone call Misty made to them (Chelsea,Timmy) then WHERE’S HIS ALIBI?? CUZ CHELSEA SURE AINT OFFERING ANY UP!!!
And, his attorney also stated that after Joe went to check out the scene, he then went on to the HOSPITAL (to visit)okay, so WHERE IS THAT ALIBI??
Gosh, that Joe sure is a special sweet guy, just has that helpin’ spirit, spreadin’ good cheer and condolensces everywhere, huh?
NOT!!!!!!!
I think it works like this…they fill it from top with river silt. It has a netting/mesh on the bottom and the water washes away microparticles and large peices remain.
HGM, i’m a male , Annie’s the lady, LOL!
Joe’s alibi for going to hospital is Misty…SHe said on more than 1 occasion Joe wwas with them to pick up Dad (Sr) SHe claimed in LVA JO didn’t “want to go back down there, not even to get his stuff”…I’ve been asking What stuff? At Ron’s? What stuff did he have at Ron’s? Tommy’s? Was he really staying at Tommy’s?
Joe’s alibi at Timmy & Chelsea’s is CHelsea when she told what he had on whe “he woke up” Different then what he usually wore to bed…right?
Ya know they also searched wooded area also. I just watched the report on that.
If JO took the van without them knowing, he obviously had it back before 4:00 when they got the call….She was up until 1:00 Am, NOW TiC went to bed earlier then her, and she got woke at 4:00 am so was van there then? surely it was. Timeline 1:00 am -4:00 am…THat’s the timeframe he needs an alibi for
I don’t like Granny Hollars anymore…she’s starting to turn against my boy!!!
Hmmm, she better watch out if she’s on Mizz Nancee tonight. Mizz Nancee won’t like her talkin’ bad about Ronald…
Hey, maybe that’s why Granny Hollars “satellite” wasn’t “coming in” correctly all of a sudden!!!!
Sorry Something 7 …LOL…glad I could insipre you…
Chelsea has changed their story twice.jmo. Once she says TImmie was on pain meds and the other story was that they were up late fillinf out ins papers from the car wreck. So it cant be both.jmo
ronfan;
I didn’t get to watch…what did she say about your boy?
HGM, I suppose the blue chest was what they were putting the shards in then after it got sifted. Did the blue chest also have the divers symbol on it that AnneinTN mentioned that she saw on the white chest?
ronfan said,in April 21st, 2010 at 2:11 am I don’t like Granny Hollars anymore…she’s starting to turn against my boy!!!
Hmmm, she better watch out if she’s on Mizz Nancee tonight. Mizz Nancee won’t like her talkin’ bad about Ronald…
Hey, maybe that’s why Granny Hollars “satellite” wasn’t “coming in” correctly all of a sudden!!!!
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And she told 2 diffent storys on JVM. jmo
Anne: true…it can’t be both…I think the painkillers line is to show he would be physically inable to go with Toc and/or JO. In bed, in pain, drugged up….
Still doesn’t say she’s lied for JO in the past. She & Lindsy pointed in his direction pretty easrly on…almost too well. IMO
SOmething 7: I don’t remember but can look to see. Also news from Jax4News or First COast confirmed it. I think Steve Brown’s interview too or that same day.
I agree HGM
Does Timmy have a criminal background?
Yes, i think the being on pain meds and in a crash earlier is her way of ruling out her husband , but she cannot completely account for joe between 1 and 4 and even points to him wearing dffernt clothes and off the bat thought he might be the one that moved and scratched the van. thats alot of pointing by her alone as well as ron and even misty in his part , if any, in all this. I would like to know who his ride from Tn to Fl and back was ? Wonder what that conversation was like?
Hardy announced today in a news conference that items found during the search may or may not be related to the case. He added they will be taken to several independent labs for testing.
Brown said he now knows exactly what happened in the trailer where Haleigh disappeared in February 2009. He would not say who was responsible for taking the girl but said there will be an arrest soon.
“I know what happened inside the trailer; I know what happened to Haleigh. I know,” said Brown. “And all this information has been made available to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office, the FDLE and the FBI.”
Here’s a description of remains recovery from a civil war wreckage.
Once recovered from the bottom, the fragments will be stored in water and placed in a refrigerated, darkened environment on the expedition barge to prevent deterioration.
Then they’ll be transported to the Army lab in Hawaii for a battery of forensic tests, including examinations that could provide clues about the victim’s height, weight and age in addition to confirming whether the bones are human.
The recovery itself could take several days, however, as the divers and archaeologists struggle to record every shred of information that could help identify the remains. Uniform buttons, ID tags and other clues could be found in the sediment, providing valuable information about the victim.
“We’re taking the excavation very slowly,” Broadwater said. “We’re mapping and surveying everything we find.”
I would expect the process to be similar for any remains recovery.
County ,state, and feds. You’d think they must ‘know’ something by now to say plan a funeral , change to a homicide and that ppl are saying that bones were shown to misty. not sure what to beleive but if this to don’t crack b4 the weekend i have to assume some of these reports are ‘sensational’ reporting.
Joe rode back to tennessee with a Jennifer Allen if i remember right jmo
If Chelsea is speculating that Joe is the one who took the van, and stating that the van was definitely “moved” (therefore, taken out and driven), THEN, Joe has no alibi. All we have is Chelsea saying she saw him sleeping after the fact; therefore no account for Joe’s whereabouts bw 1-4am.
What’s Joe’s attorney going to do with that chunk of info?
BUT, that also conveniently helps her and Timmy solidify their own alibi that they were safely and snugly tucked in their little house just as innocent as ever.
HOW ABOUT THIS ONE: Has CHELSEA been able to state where Joe was before the van was taken? Wouldn’t he had to have been at home w/them? Eatin’ popcorn and watching DVD’s?? Playin’ cards? Charades? I can’t wait to hear these excuses!!!
JMO, but it’s mighty strange how she isn’t mentioning that.
I have a headache now. Taking a sleeping pill and going to bed. Goodnight.
Oh yeah, also how does Joe get a New Orleans Attorney? Pretty slick, these people get high profilers for nothing. Makes me sick.
do you all see how misty have moved from prime suspect to least culpable in a matter of days? She was asleep when haleigh went missing!..
LE bungled this case from the getgo focusing all their resources on misty.. the blundering idiots!
Nite,got to go too.God Bless Haleigh
its one thing to go sifting and find bone shards but then have to map it all out too. That may be why it took a few days in this case as well for any prosecution to happen showing the likely dumping spot. I assume that would be in the middle and a roewboat was needed? anyone know what kinbd of boat Ron had. Was it just a typical boat or did it hacve a small outboard foe fishing? length( to see if it would fit on top of a van or in the bed of a truck. or was it the kind you’d haul on a wheeled-trailer?
AnneinTN, Charades? Ha good one. At least i get a laugh before i sign off. Yeah , they don’t seem like the type to play Pictionary! LOL
Could be they( TC/or JO ) took the boat to get her out to the middle!
It’s too bad Marie wasn’t listened to by DCF and got the kids out of there,no telling what Misty had done to HaLeigh that eventually led to her death.She was obviously being abused or drugged till she was overdosed.So,apparently Marie knew what she was talking about when the kids would cry not to go back.Maybe the DCF workers that didn’t do thier job and get the kids out of there will feel bad enough to actually do thier job now and save kids from abuse,if they still have a job.Tommy said he went over and was smoking a joint with Misty at the mh,so there was drugs being used there.Tommy was a drug addict and yet he said he saw HaLeigh everyday,at his house.No telling what these kids were around while RC was at work.
HEYITSMEKELLY: your post at 2:56; I really don’t hear it that way> I really think he’s just expressing how parent’s always use the metaphor, “take me instead”, (which interestingly enough, Misty has gotten hell for saying, similar to)
I do remember distinctively, this however: “Some sorry piece of trash took my child”….that is THE moment I felt it was Joe. Also, when Ron stated “you let THEM take my daughter” (911 call) And Misty saying in an interview “I wish THEY would have taken me, I could have FOUGHT THEM off.”
There hasn’t been anyone in the community who could not dispute that Ronald was an excellent Father. In fact, he had the reputation of being a very good Daddy, and would never ever harm or hit his children in such a way. That came from his own community on NewsJax4; there was an in town community blogsite. I think it would be hard to hide something like that.
Yes, his past drug record is there; but the year Haleigh was born, it stopped.
Please let me know about ur info on the abused child article. If it was on here, I would like to know how u feel about it. That Monster will get his, trust me.
It was a flat bottom skiff from what I remember. Aluminum.
http://www.bullgatorarchaeology.com/otherequip.htm
Bottom of the page there is a large flat type sifter box. This design is similar to blue cooler sifter used. Opens on top with mesh screen on bottom. Pushing it up & down in the river would wash away sediment.
Sometimes archaeologists use a process known as “wet sieving.” In wet sieving, the sieve is filled with sand or soil, then dunked in water to dissolve its contents. The dissolved material falls easily through the screen, leaving behind any objects. Small organic (once-living) remains such as seeds and bone might also float and be separated in using wet sieving.
http://www.dignubia.org/toolkit/detail.php?cat=earthmoving&tool=sieve
Good morning!! Okay so I just watched NG show from last night. Wondering about the bones they were talking about. So do you think Tommy told Lindsy and then she told AH? We might get to see the audio files from that convo of Lindsy and Tommy in the back of the police car. According to AH they have audio of it.
WinterRose said,in April 21st, 2010 at 2:54 amIt’s too bad Marie wasn’t listened to by DCF and got the kids out of there,no telling what Misty had done to HaLeigh that eventually led to her death.She was obviously being abused or drugged till she was overdosed.So,apparently Marie knew what she was talking about when the kids would cry not to go back.Maybe the DCF workers that didn’t do thier job and get the kids out of there will feel bad enough to actually do thier job now and save kids from abuse,if they still have a job.Tommy said he went over and was smoking a joint with Misty at the mh,so there was drugs being used there.Tommy was a drug addict and yet he said he saw HaLeigh everyday,at his house.No telling what these kids were around while RC was at work.
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i too have thought marie was trying her best to tell that the kids were in trouble. i cannot remember how long rc was on afternoon shift, i think only weeks at the time haleigh went missing. it did not take long for something to go wrong. what was happening all those weeks when ron was at work. and obviously also when ron was home.
and i was wondering about tommy’s kids too, when lindsay was working or going to school. i guess since some of the time, h & l lived there, the kids probably (i hope) were not left home alone. i mean where were the kids when toc was smoking a joint with misty? or maybe he brought them with him. which is also not good.
Granny is hilarious. lol I about pissed myself when she said well Misty must have liked it because she wanted to go to Joe’s house all the time.
Goodmorning Ms.Peridot. Glad to see you on here. Sure have missed you. There truely is no telling what went on in that home around these children.
I watched JVM and Nancy last night. JVM did a great job with her interview of Grandma Holler.
I would have loved to be in that police car listening to Misty and Tommy after Misty being showed what could be actual remains of Haleigh Cummings.
Ky Mom, yeah! Misty was sooooo afraid of Joe. NOT!!!!!!
I wonder why noone asked Chelsea if Joe was all messed up when she saw him last? Misty said Joe was all messed up and she don’t know how he even drove the van. We already know that Chelsea said Timmy was on meds that night due to the car accident. Chelsea also changed her story since the beginnig of this case. What is she hiding?
There is still so much on this case that we have not heard. I believe when the Sheriff said several it meant more than 3 would be arrested in Haleighs demise.JMO
goodmorning lfj, thank you and it is good to see you! i agree with you about the jvm interview. that was a tough interview to do. boy, granny holler sure knows how to make her point – concerning joe.
i was hoping the police car is set up for video besides the audio, for the police if not for us.
so interesting what tim miller had to say that misty had mentioned shell harbor before. and leonard padilla said chelsea had mentioned shell harbor to him and also to art back in march.
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Ohh I think Timmy knows more than what Chelsea is saying. I’m not completely sold on the whole Joe is involved. I really do think Misty gave Haleigh something and she OD I don’t think she did it on purpose. I’m sure if you asked Chelsea she would say Joe was F’ed up. They all want to throw him under the bus . Poor lil Haleigh.
What was Chelsea’s original story?
Did anyone else notice how AH kept saying they have not said it was Haleigh’s bones, and then NG ignored that and kept saying they were Haleigh’s bones. Ridiculous.
Ky Mom she had stated in the beginning that she and Timmy were up late working on insurance papers I want to say the time she gave was between 12am and 12:30am, but not sure. Chelsea is now saying that Timmy was in bed 2 to 3 hours before her. He had taken meds and went to bed. It also in the voice stress test how she talks about Timmy and their closeness and that Timmy is Rons favorite family member of hers. When LE went to Mass to interrogate Timmy and Chelsea Misty made a statement to the press that Timmy is not involved. I get the feeling that Chelsea and Misty are shielding Timmy.
Poor Haleigh. This better come out that she was already gone due to an accidental death before they tied a rope to her with a brick. If I hear that this was done to her while she was alive I think I might help RC shoot up some people.
Yes, Shock wave I caught that to. That is why I state what could be Haleighs remains. It is not fact yet.
Both Ron on Cobra’s tape and Misty according to Tim Miller said that Joe liked to throw animals carcasses to the aliigators at Shell Harbor. I believe both those statements were made close to the same time. There has been talk of deer, both carcass and blood
When Joe was there it was not deer hunting season. Not one person has talked about going deer hunting with cousin Joe. So how did Joe get anything deer related to throw into the river?
i haven’t posted on this page yet but I am wondering how oj’sglove knows the facts in this case? WHere is this person’s proof? The lawyer wasn’t the only one who spoke of a funeral. Plus why would someone have to be told to hold a memorial service?? That doesn’t make sense to me. People can have memorial services for what ever reason they want and when ever they want. Being told to plan a funeral means they have concrete proof. It is my opinion that if they found rope and cinder blocks then there must have been something attached to it or around it. JMO. Also I dont understand how oj’s glove knows so much about what has been going on behind the scenes in this case or how he or she knows that LE has messed this case up. How do you know that? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist do figure out that Misty knows something. She was there when Haleigh disappeared and she has never said anything that makes sense. How do you know Misty is innocent? How do you know that the “story” about the gun is even true? I really want to hear the proof behind the statements. Thanks.
BeeBee2 – You can go to Florida state hunting information online and see that it was deer hunting season. Regardless, it does not have to be deer hunting season to throw a body into a river.
Shockwave said,in April 21st, 2010 at 8:19 am Did anyone else notice how AH kept saying they have not said it was Haleigh’s bones, and then NG ignored that and kept saying they were Haleigh’s bones. Ridiculous.
NG seems to obviously want to twist any scenerio into what SHE wants it to be, not what the facts are. That is what she does. That is why she cuts people off if they don’t say what she wants to hear. I tolerate her so that I can get info on cases but it is ridiculous.
and i believe granny hollars said this was the first time joe was there. so any deer/gators would have been in the that feb/09 visit.
this from ah article
Exclusive: Cops Show Misty Croslin The Bones! Will DNA Tests ID Haleigh Cummings’ Remains?
…During one visit to the river, Ronald Cummings told me Joe Overstreet relished tossing deer meat into the water and watching alligators go into a feeding frenzy. “He said, all of a sudden, there were a hundred eyes that popped out of the water, and Joe said, ‘This would be a good place to get rid of a body.’”
You know I think LE may have had early knowledge that Haleigh was already deceased.
In July 2009, a rumor went through Satsuma alledging that Haleigh had overdosed. First she was put in the dumpster and then removed to be put elsewhere. Aug 6th I believe 2009 Misty was suppose to have called Tommy and their parents to come and get her. Ronald and Tommy fought and Ronald went to jail. Misty took a restraining order out on Tommy and then Ron and Misty put the decapitated rat in Tommys mail box per Ronald to Tim Miller and I believe Tim is credible with this info. Soon after on August 17th 2009 PCSO relased a statement that Misty is the Key and that Ronald and Crystal were not suspects in their daughter Haleigh Cummings disappearance. Then came the failed poly, voice stress and hypnosis from Tim Miller. Sept. 21st Tommy tells LE Ron called him and wanted him to go over and check on Misty he could not reach her. Tommy puts himself there at the mh. Ronald said he and Misty had a tiff, nothing big and called Tommy to see if Misty was over there and he did not ask Tommy to go the mh. Putnam Authorities did confirm the call from Ron to Tommy at 9pm. Then we hear about a Joe Pytco and NAY NAY letters alledging a party where Haleigh OD on Oxy Contin and was disposed of by WBG story and the draining of the momndex pond. Misty taking off with Donna Brock, road rage with these two, then the divorce of Ron and Misty and Ron finding out that Donna was an informant and texts Misty warning her of who Donna really was. LE was informed of a possible overdose with Haleigh well before those letters appeared. We already know that it was not Tommy, Misty , or even Ron giving LE this info, so I wonder who it was. I do not think it was coincidental as it being Haleigh was overdosed and it lead to her death. JMO
pak31 said,in April 21st, 2010 at 8:56 am
yep art would not say they were hc bones and then before commercial ng said they were! that is wrong unless she had another source that said they were. what if hc family hears that out of context of ng claiming that.
Ron saw the hundred eyes pop out of the water. Ron did not say Joe said there would be a hundred eyes popping out of the water. That is corresct info that it was Joes first visit to Satsuma. Misty even said in her voice stress analysis that Joe did not know his way around, but if Tommy was involved so was Joe.
ms. p I agree Nancy should not be twisting the info. It is hard enough for a family their child may be deceased, but to add that her remains were found and shown to the perp is unheard of if it really is not the truth.
Does that story about the place being a good place to get rid of a body sound alot like what Amber said Ron told her about the bridge?
I think Joe and Tommy talked about the gators being there but Ron added the other part.
Joe is the patsy cant see him risking going back to jail when he just got out of Juvie a few months earlier for stealing a car. And G Hollar said Joe doesnt have any sex offenses.And he never messed with Misty, she hung around him all the time according to GH. jmo
Tobias it does sound like what Ron told Amber about if he werre to kill someone he would dump them at the dunns bridge story.
I think Joe is not involved.
Mistys story about the gun is flawed also because where would Joe hide a rifle to take it when he left? Its just to set Joe up for it since the police didnt go with the SO set up.
And the first gun theft I believe was Tommy,he does have 2 other gun thefts since, and well they just blamed Joe for it.jmo
It’s difficult for me to not think JO was involved. He obviously loves the idea of violence. His myspace page proves it. He’s been in juvie? This make me believe it even more. People commit crimes over and over and a stay in jail does not detour them from it, because they think they are being “cool”. He’s got thug written all over him. I can see him threatening Tommy and Misty. It’s been said before that he’s a little guy, no one would be scared of him. Well, sometimes little guys have big things to prove.
errr, i keep getting kicked offline.
9:02 lfj: wow, when you put it like that. it is verrry interesting! and you are right, it seems someone has been talking, maybe even all along?
i can’t remember how we know about ronald texting misty about donna being a informant. i am thinking it was on the bald truth. hmmm.
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i have not caught up on the all the posts this week. i don’t know if it was already talked about or not, but, leonard padilla on levi said he offered money to help with the search for haleigh. and ron turned him down. i don’t know how long ago that happened. it was when they both appeared together on ng.
well i have to run. so i wish everyone to have a great day.
praying for justice for ♥haleigh♥
I also find it really odd behavior for Ron to say he is disappointed in Misty. Even the most even tempered person would want to grab Misty by the neck after she has lied for 14 months let alone it being his child. Ron was out for vengence so where is it now? It isnt going against Misty because she may involve him for his part before or after this happened. jmo bbl
Obviously RC does not believe Misty is responsible for Haleigh’s death. He’s disappointed that she let a threat keep her from telling the truth. If JO did kill Haleigh over a gun, Misty would have every right to believe he would kill her too. Misty is family to JO, Haleigh is not. Could be a reason for him to let Misty and Tommy go, but not Haleigh. These are just theories of course.
Tobias – that make so much sense (Ron’s vengence). It is so obvious I don’t understand why people do not see that.
ms. p it was Tim Miller that told us about the text from Ron to Misty. I do not know how long ago it was when LP was on Nancy along with Ron. LP said Ron was high on that show. He did say no matter how much money he needed to find his daughter it was accessible to him and Ron said no thank you. On that show LP said Teresa had even got in touch with him to bail out Ron as well as others including the thug lover that is in contact with Ron, but he talked with his investigators and said wait there is more to this story. I wonder if LP had a change of heart since Sunday, because on NG last night she said something about LP bonding out Ron. LP did not say that on NG though. He indicated Timmy was involved ;not Joe
You are right. I did look online before asking the question but the chart I saw omitted the dates for general gun hunting. I thought it was strange but I know next to nothing about deer hunting.
I only brought up the deer because it has been mentioned so many times. It has been said that Joe threw deer carcass in the river. Misty also said that the blood in the van was deer blood. I just found it interesting so many references to a dead deer but nothing about who went hunting and when.
With the references to a dead deer, I just find it interesting that no one has mentioned deer hunting.
Someone said a forensic anthropologist was at the site. I would assume this type of scientist would know the difference between animal bones and human bones. If it was human bones they would need DNA test to confirm they were indeed Haleigh`s. If animal, then they would realize they were fooled again by the Criminal Savvy Croslin Clan. Now it leaves me to wonder what kind of pressure they actually put on Misty or Tommy to “confess” to this scenario. What promises did they make? Did they make a deal with the devil, when you have no clue who might be responsible? I will not believe there is no plea bargaining somewhere–I believe its more along the lines “who talks first gets the prize?”
tobias said,in April 21st, 2010 at 9:20 amDoes that story about the place being a good place to get rid of a body sound alot like what Amber said Ron told her about the bridge?
I think Joe and Tommy talked about the gators being there but Ron added the other part.
Joe is the patsy cant see him risking going back to jail when he just got out of Juvie a few months earlier for stealing a car. And G Hollar said Joe doesnt have any sex offenses.And he never messed with Misty, she hung around him all the time according to GH. jmo
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it sure does sound similar. and tobias, iirc misty said j.o. also molested another young child in their family. i would think granny hollars would have heard about that if that had really happened. and i am sure she knew going on tv, she would be asked about the molestation accusations, soooo? of course, she could be protecting the child. but, she sure sounded and looked like she did not know of any accusations against joe.
but, i did think it interesting, that grny hollars keeps saying joe has changed. i guess it could be because of being accused if he is not involved. i have a feeling we will learn more very soon.
i hope the police learned more from m & t talking together in the police car. bbl
Sheriff’s Office: Bones Seen By Misty Croslin Near Satsuma Dock Were Animal Bones
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=155059&catid=3
Wow – how to twist a story!
BeeBee2 ,you are correct that there has been no mention of anyone going hunting. That is odd. That is a very good point.
Sheriff’s Office: Bones Seen By Misty Croslin Near Satsuma Dock Were Animal Bones
New article at First Coast News!
I still cannot succomb that Tommy or Misty was afraid of Joe Overstreet. It has nothing to do with his size or what he carries. The fact is he was hundreds of miles away. LE would have put him in custody and would of given protection to these families if the story had any credible info. Misty did not have any problems pointing to Joe in interviews publicly. Therefore she could not have been too afraid of him carrying out a threat.
I woke up this morning feeling kind of sorry for Misty. Seriously. Misty publicly was protective of and had such glowing words for her Big Brother Timmy yet he has none, zero, zilch for his Baby Sister in return.
Seems like he is more of a Tiny Tim than a supportive Big Brother figure imvho.
HollysGmom said,in April 21st, 2010 at 3:00 am It was a flat bottom skiff from what I remember. Aluminum.
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It’s a Jon Boat.
If you saw an innocent child murdered by someone you knew you would not be afraid for your own life? I would! I would hope I would put my fear aside for the greater good though.
I read the aricle at FCN. The detectives did personally show Misty bones they made them available for her to see. I do question though if any of those bones are considered to be human due to the different labs they were sent to. They are not asking for the bones back from the human lab they are for study, but are they saying they want the others back that went to different labs?
Misty Croslin saw bones on her recent visit to a dock along the St. Johns River, but they were not human bones, according to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office.
A tip last week led investigators to conduct an intense three-day search at the Shell Harbour boat ramp south of Satsuma in Putnam County.
Haleigh Cummings has been missing since February, 2009, and Misty Croslin is the one who said she put her to bed that night.
Croslin, now jailed on drug charges, was brought in shackles to the boat ramp.
According to the sheriff’s office, divers had uncovered many bones and placed them near the dock to dry.
They were mostly deer bones, with some alligator and possibly other animal bones.
An anthropologist was on the scene to identify them.
The sheriff’s office said Croslin saw the bones as she was being led to the ramp, but at no time did investigators tell her they were human bones.
The sheriff’s office also said many of the bones were shipped to the FDLE lab for further investigation, and that some of those may be shipped on to other labs as well.
While some items have been shipped to a human remains lab in Gainesville, investigators said that was only for teaching purposes at the lab, and they do not need those items back.
The biggest news to come out of last week’s search was that Sheriff Jeff Hardy announced that his department believes Haleigh is most likely dead, but he said the search will continue until they know what happened.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=155059&catid=3
You know shock I would have been afraid at that moment, but as soon as I was safe in the presence of law enforcement that perp would have never been able to leave town before I turned him in if I was not involved.
Exactly my thoughts Shockwave. Excellent post!
Or if you even had just heard or knew about it.
Detective John Merchant, the lead investigator in the Haleigh Cummings homicide case, says police need to build a strong case without a body. Members from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office met with the parents of Haleigh Cummings today to let them know their options.
Sheriff Jeff Hardy announced last week that he is confident enough to say that 5-year-old Haleigh is likely dead. Now it is up to her parents to determine how to celebrate her life even without tangible proof of her death.
Haleigh Cummings
Ronald Cummings’ attorney told us Ronald and his family were advised to start making funeral arrangements, “They told them that it was now a homicide investigation and no longer a missing persons, and that they would have enough to go forward if they wanted to make funeral arrangements.”
According to Merchant he presented two options to parents Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield about a funeral for Haleigh: The couple could wait seven years for Haleigh to be declared dead by the state of Florida and then be issued a death certificate or they can go before a judge before the seven years lapses to request a death certificate.
The talk of funerals and death certificates all comes while Law Enforcement officials continue to deny that a body or any form of remains belonging to Haleigh Cummings were located during their three day search of the St. Johns River.
Yet, there are persons of interest to still be named. Although, the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is not releasing names we were told “I think ya’ll know who they are.”
You do the math
http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/21/haleighs-family-told-to-make-funeral-arrangements-did-cops-find-a-body/
Granny Flora sure laid it out on the line in regards to her own personal opinions regarding her GrandChildren. If everything she says is true then the rest of the family must be in complete shame right now and I do feel sorry for the innocent family members and
I certainly give her credit for doing the right thing for standing up and being honest about everything.
FCN Report
-According to the sheriff’s office, divers had uncovered many bones and placed them near the dock to dry.
-They were mostly deer bones, with some alligator and possibly other animal bones.
-An anthropologist was on the scene to identify them.
-The sheriff’s office also said many of the bones were shipped to the FDLE lab for further investigation, and that some of those may be shipped on to other labs as well.
So why did they ship ‘deer bones’ to the FDLE lab for further investigation?
This ‘anthropoligist’ couldn’t tell the difference?
Once again more lies and bogus reporting from Nancy Grace and Art Harris. Article from First Coast News just broke:
Sheriff’s Office: Bones Seen By Misty Croslin Near Satsuma Dock Were Animal Bones
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=155059&catid=3
And here is how Art plugs himself on his website about the above
“We first reported what experts say could be a major break in the case Tuesday night on CNN Headline News’ Nancy Grace Show, where the former prosecutor credited The Bald Truth, aka artharris.com, with an exclusive that offers…..”
Seriously I am just so appauled at Art Harris’s desperation to get an exclusive and all he does is regergitate things he finds our from other news sources and makes up lies and then spins it like he got this big exclusive break in the case. This guy is horrible.
lfj, thank you for the info that it was tm.
The bones Misty saw the day the police took her to the river and saw some bones..they were NOT human bones they were animal bones.It’s being reported by the Florida news that the Police didn’t show Misty bones,the bones were laying on some kind of sheet and Misty saw them as she was walking onto the dock.
Sheriff’s Office: Bones Seen By Misty Croslin Near Satsuma Dock Were Animal Bones: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=155059&catid=3
Pezzu, it seems has though we both percieved the same info about those statements.
looking for Justice said,in April 21st, 2010 at 10:55 am Pezzu, it seems has though we both percieved the same info about those statements.
One weird article
pezzu – it probably depends on whether they have a whole piece of a bone, or just a bone fragment. I don’t know if you read this story or not, but a while back a foot was found in Georgia or Alabama (before Caylee was found). The people who found it thought it was a human foot. Even at first glance forensics didn’t know what it was. Turned out to be a bear’s foot. I think that’s right. It was animal and not human I know for sure, and no human in the immediate area was missing.
Shockwave said,in April 21st, 2010 at 11:12 am pezzu – it probably depends on whether they have a whole piece of a bone, or just a bone fragment. I don’t know if you read this story or not, but a while back a foot was found in Georgia or Alabama (before Caylee was found). The people who found it thought it was a human foot. Even at first glance forensics didn’t know what it was. Turned out to be a bear’s foot. I think that’s right. It was animal and not human I know for sure, and no human in the immediate area was missing.
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I also recall many-many bones being found during the Caylee search over the months that were quickly discounted as ‘human’ – don’t recall them sending em off to labs. Maybe I am not remembering right?
What I’m talking about had nothing to do with Caylee. I was just time referencing for you, and pointing out how difficult it must be to look at a bone and say whether it is human or not. Your right though, Caylee’s bones were scattered, which is why they combed such a large area of the woods she was found at. I want information, but I kinda wish I wouldn’t get until it was a truthful, and uncomplicated. Just the facts please, ya know what I mean. These waters are already murky.
Which is why I come to Blogger news to get my info. This team does not fluff the 411. Get real Nancy G!
I wasn’t talking about the actual Caylee search site – -I meant the numerous searches by TES etc., before they found her.. just seems every report of ‘bones found’ was quickly followed by ‘they are animal’ just don’t recall any that were sent to labs ‘for further testing.
pezzu said,in April 21st, 2010 at 10:38 am
You’re exactly right…
Anthros could tell immediately if they were female, child bones. No other female child missing very likely Haleigh.
There’s no other reason for “samples” to be forwarded to other labs unless to test for DNA, Toxicology on marrow, etc.
Good to see you Holly. They are saying animal bones were found, yet not confirming that human remains were found and likely to be Haleighs. I think they want to make sure it is Haleigh before releasing info until they are 100% sure. I can understand that.
See you all a little later. Everyone have a nice day.
I’m so relieved no human remains were found
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6859349.php
from that: “The agency had an anthropologist at the scene that identified all “biological” items that were recovered as being non-human.”
curious said,in April 21st, 2010 at 12:20 pm from that: “The agency had an anthropologist at the scene that identified all “biological” items that were recovered as being non-human.”
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So it appears they have indeed sent off the deer bones for further testing. Interesting twist!
Marie fb page…asked to publish this She is NOT happy right now.
“Once again I will have to go to bat for Sheriff Jeff Hardy, he is a very good person. I am making a public plea for PCSO to find out who is giving information, Because all this info is not correct, Thanks to everyone doing there best to keep HaLeigh’s name and face out there”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG2AB8ZTCU0
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Have they been friends in the past? Or was there friction?
HOLLARS: Oh, yes, they`ve always been friends. Now, Misty stated that Joe had molested her when she was up here in Nashville. But she never once said anything to me about it. And she always wanted to go to his house. So, if he molested her, she must have liked it.
Say What???~eyes popping~
LOL,Who knew…pffttt!!!
I think I’m starting to like Granny,she does give some comic relief in between all the varying versions of bs.
I wonder how many thousands of people’s jaws dropped on that one,it even caused Jane to have to compose herself.LOL That cracked me up.I wonder if Misty fell off her bunk. 🙂
I heard Granny say that about “Mistt liking it”
I fell off the couch. Then rewound. YES she said that about Misty.
I heard Granny say that about “Misty liking it”
I fell off the couch. Then rewound. YES she said that about Misty.
No human remains found.
http://palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/04/20/news/news01.txt
BOLDONE3 said,
I know her family members had to say,”She did not just say that.”LOL
I think GH was trying to say Misty showed no signs of being molested because she was always going to visit Joe. Misty must have been in the 6 grade then because GH said she had her in school. I believe Misty came up with this story because she needed everyone to believe Joe would take Haleigh. She even blamed Tommy of messin with her. And if I am not mistaken the layerd voice analysis said it was deceptive. jmo
In one story GH says Misty hit her with a board but doesnt say who said it just it came from one of them in florida. I am curious which one was it Tommy? Timmy? I cant see Hank or Lisa saying it but who knows? jmo
WinterRose…you know Misty’s family was aware Joe molested Misty?? Is that what you are saying?
Boldone3
No,I doubt anyone has molested Misty,just a convenient way for her to get suspicion on someone else when she does something.
Ron is making all these statements about Tommy and Joe fishing at the dock and Joe saying it would be a good place to get rid of a body. Then why isn the Sam HECK WOULDNT rON TELL THE le that?jmo
I do not think Granny is saying she thinks Misty hit Haleigh with a board. I think Granny is saying that’s what she was told. She is on TV reporting what has been told to her by Misty, Tommy, or perhaps both.
As for Misty being shown as deceptive on a test on the issue of being molested, I don’t think that means it did not happen. I do not think Misty could pass any type of psychological testing any more than she could pass a math test.
I have little doubt at all that Misty was molested, to the point of being more than just “messed with.”
I also have little doubt that someone in her family might have known or suspected, and just looked the other way.
For whatever reason.
But…I will never believe she “liked it.” Granny floored me when she said that, OMG !!
tobias said,
in April 21st, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Ron is making all these statements about Tommy and Joe fishing at the dock and Joe saying it would be a good place to get rid of a body. Then why isn the Sam HECK WOULDNT rON TELL THE le that?jmo
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how do you know he didn’t tell them?
HGM: Granny Hollers is gettin’ smart mouthed bout my Boy, so’s I’s gonna unleash a can of good ole Louisiana woop ass on her rocky mountain Tennessee butt.
Ron’s pills, Ron shouldn’t have let Misty watch the kids when she was loaded. Ron’s careless…..
Uh, yeah, and at the same time, she said Tommy told her they went to the MH after Ron left to “smoke a joint” with Misty, and then she even added in that after they smoked, “Misty started a’ cookin’ dinna for da keedz.”
Know, I ask u, who’s being negligent now? Them Croslins, right??
I mean, everyone knows u smoke ur joint AFTER u make dinna for da keedz, not before!! LOL
I believe RC said on the Cobra tape he did tell about the dock,but the audio is bad and Cobra is doing most of the talking,so hard to tell.
But Ronfan,
Wouldn’t you want to cook after,when you’re more hungry?I think it’s a joint before dinner and a cig after…never mind. 🙂
We know he told Cobra that but we dont know if LE knew that. Wouldnt they have searched there right away if Ron said hey Joe and I had words over a stolen gun and he said that place was a good place to get rid of a body and I think you better go look there. Le would have jumped on it. They drained a pond on a drug addicts tip. I dont think he told LE anything like that. jmo
Winter rose, Yeah good old Chef boyardi is what was for dinner according to reports. Great food choices. jmo
I agree, Misty was never molested by anyone. Another lie.
Someone email me when all is said and done. Due to the reports, no evidence, no bones.
IMO arrest Misty and throw away the key.
LE knows she is the one behind all this. Let them do their job, and hopefully Misty will be charged with 1st degree murder.
In the meantime, we all know nothing.
Misty told the truth from the getgo..its the cops who bungled the investigation by focusing everything on misty. LE retracted their “misty is the key” statement but the damage has been done..She is vilified daily by NG to the point of inciting a lynch mob. LE ‘entrapped” and “set up” misty for their moronic pressure tactics which has given them squat.
Misty was asleep and is INNOCENT!!
Heads up,Granny is going to be on Issues tonight,don’t be surprised if Granny doesn’t get her own reality show.Pfftttt!Geesh!!!Can we say,”Media is desperate for news.”Wonder if she’ll have photos of the three as kids,and how much will she be paid for them?News at 11:00. 🙂
cathartic said,in April 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pmI have little doubt at all that Misty was molested, to the point of being more than just “messed with.”
I also have little doubt that someone in her family might have known or suspected, and just looked the other way.
For whatever reason.
But…I will never believe she “liked it.” Granny floored me when she said that, OMG !!
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hello cathartic, i thought your comment was interesting. thanks for sharing it. i too can see what you are saying. but, i also can see that it could all be b.s.
WinterRose said,in April 21st, 2010 at 4:54 pm
thanks for the heads up. darn it, i missed it. but, i am checking to see if it is on the internet.
FWIW
about granny’s comment. of course granny was being completely sarcastic about the ‘liking it part’. at the risk of sounding ageist, i think that granny hollars whole comment is part of her generation’s way of saying ‘not by anything i could see’. as a matter of fact granny witnessed behavior showing her the exact opposite of the accusations to be true. i really believe that is what she meant, no more no less.
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misty has made sexual molestation accusations against two people. but, the accusations are part of a possible scenario of how a child went missing while under her care. there is no way we can know the truth, because, misty’s overall credibility is under question
i do believe misty’s family knows the truth. they know, when misty first made the accusations and under what circumstances. especially about joe, since, she said he molested other children. they know if there are other accusations or not and how credible the accusations are.
personally, i would not be surprised to learn misty has been sexually abused in her life. it could in part explain some of her behavior. but, i also would not be surprised to find out the accusations are false and meant to be manipulative. also, even if the molestation accusations are true, it may have nothing to do with whatever happened to haleigh. misty could be saying it to throw attention elsewhere or as payback for whatever did happen in the past between her and tommy and/or her and joe.
i personally question everything misty says. and i do not believe misty kept quiet all this time because of fear that joe will hurt her or her family.
well i relistened to the flora hollars clip. i still take it as she did not believe misty was molested. not that it was okay to be molested. she prefaced that statement with an explanation why she thought joe probably did not hurt misty. also her wording may be a generational thing, not really meaning to blame the victim per se. but, i realize i don’t really know for sure what she meant.
but, i can see, she does not really know anything about the haleigh case, so i hope they don’t keep having her on for ratings.
Ms. P…
When Granny made the “she must have liked it” comment I am sure it was not what she meant. She probably was trying to stress that she has never seen any evidence that Misty ever felt threatened by JO. In other words, I think it was Granny’s way of saying the molestation claim is BS, since Misty had always willingly associated with/visited Joe.
But Granny she did not lose credibility with me for her “liked it” comment. She lost credibility with me for saying on one program that Misty may have wanted to get rid of Haleigh to have Ron all to herself and then, on another program, that Misty loved kids and would never harm a child. This is not a situation where Granny thought something at one point and then as time passed she changed her mind; these statements were made in separate interviews possibly on the same day or at least within a day or two. The statements are clearly contradictory, and that is a red flag for me.
JMO.
I’ve read a lot of comments from others where they believe Misty was trying to tell the truth from the beginning and no one would listen to her. I think she is just a punk; she is arrogant and vain and probably knew no one would follow through up her theories. I’ve seen her comment several times something to the effect of I don’t know but maybe this…Who would follow up on that anyway. She was just throwing words around trying to make out like she wanted to help. If she really wanted to tell the truth she could have gotten LE to listen just by being completely truthful about what she knew; but she did not
I think she told half truths hoping it would somehow help her pass the LDT. If they asked her ‘have you told all you know’ she probably thought she could say yes and the LDT would read truthful, however when you add more to the story and twist it around, the LDT shows deception.
That girl is not innocent. She was also afraid of loosing Ron. She doesn’t love him or she would not have done this to his child or him. I think she is too young to even know what love is and it appears that she is incapable of it. Ron was just a 17 year olds meal ticket.
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