BNN does have a foot soldier on site at the search scene in Putnam County. There appears to be a media feeding frenzy, and tempers are flaring. Apparently one Fox reporter has actually managed to get himself arrested. The eyewitness report is that he was screaming obscenities at the police for not letting the press get closer to the actual search site. The Police eventually got fed up with these antics and escorted the gentleman away.
As you can see from these early photos, the media is out in full force.
Armando is also reporting that the local residents are getting quite upset with the entire event. Many experienced a sleepless night because of all of the commotion going on.
I talked again with Steve Brown earlier this morning, Steve is the PI working for Crystal Sheffield that tipped the police off, instigating this search. He is still very concerned with not interfering with the criminal investigation by saying too much publicly. However he did say some things that might clear up some speculation.
Monday evenings discussion with the PCSO was the result of 10 months of investigation. He also explained that while his client is Crystal Sheffield he is also closely associated with Tommy Croslin’s lawyer. What was left unsaid was if the culmination of the 10 months work was recent information originating from Tommy Croslin.
I cracked this case on Monday, I know exactly what happened in the trailer that night.
Everything I have is now in the hands of the authorities.
I have spoken with Steve on a couple of occasions, he is a highly credible man with great credentials. Let us hope that he has unlocked the door to solving this case. 14 months is a very long time for a body to be in the water and moving water at that, one wonders if the police can find any definitive evidence at this stage.
It was most unfortunate that he (in is own words) was ‘forced out the closet’ by some irresponsible tabloid journalism last night. Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood had made it abundantly clear in his communique with the press that he did not want the mans name released. In fact I was surprised that HLN even knew his name. And flabbergasted that they would choose to air it against the express wishes of the PCSO. I am sure that the next time he calls the PCSO he is in for one of those fabled ‘fireside chats’ with Jonny Greenwood, I have heard that they can be quite intense! A wonderful way to cleanse the soul!
This search has also opened up some older windows on the world. There is apparently a very interesting audio tape that I am trying to get hold of. It was thought to be part of some data that I was sent on a Thumb-Drive a while back, but it is not. The owner of the tape is furiously trying to locate it, and I will publish it as soon as I receive it.
More soon.
Simon Barrett
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For all of us, we need to remember that the awaited information we receive comes on the heels of a family that has been in much pain for over a year over their missing daughter, granddaughter, sister, niece, cousin or friend. It does not matter how educated you are, how you look, or how you talk…pain is pain. So, please, for those of you who want to bash this family, remember that this is Haleigh’s family.
Shockwave said, in April 14th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
“remember that this is Haleigh’s family.”
Yes, very unfortunate for Haleigh.
New stuff on AH page. I like reading on here and on AH website. Anyways go read.
Shockwave, excellent reminder.
Also, I wrote my last post too quickly. I do not mean to say that the Joe story is coming from Steve Brown. It’s coming from Art Harris.
All we really know now that is new is that there is a massive search for something and we know the location of the search. PCSD has not even verified that they are looking for a body, have they?
Well, it’s very clear who one of the individuals bashing Haleigh’s family is.
Aaaaanyway…could one of the pieces of evidence be the missing Red truck? Hank Sr. was going to buy the truck from Tommy, but Tommy supposedly sold it right after Haleigh went missing. If you were going to throw a body into the water you would not need a boat ramp, but you would if you were trying to get rid of a vehicle. Misty talks about the truck when she undergoes the infamous voice stress test and hypnosis.
We don’t get to choose our family. I believe things happen for a reason. I choose to believe that within this awful senseless tragedy is a silver lining – the banding together of people who CARED about this little girl. Tireless reporting of people like Jan, Simon, and TJH who would not let the truth die untold. Perhaps everyone can put their petty differences aside and remember that, eh?
Will be plenty of time for ‘bashing’ after Haleigh is found and brought home. Now is not the time.
The Croslin Van was used…Joe had driven ti to Satsuma and then back to C City after stopping at SHell Harbour Rd to ….
First, my thoughts and prayer go out to some of the family members. Second, It says that people are getting upset in the neighborhood due to the “event”. Come on people this is a little girl they are looking for, if it would be your family member you would expect nothing less than what they are doing. What, it is interferring with a few days out of your life? Just be lucky you have life something that was taken away from little Haleigh.
Kate W @ 1:17
You said, “I do not mean to say that the Joe story is coming from Steve Brown. It’s coming from Art Harris.”
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That’s right. AH’s infamous “sources close to the family” and “friends of the family” just like the SAME kind of scumbags who helped MG wage a propaganda blog campaign FOR MONEY and AGAINST R even when her lawyer(KP) told her to stop back at the very beginning of this mess.
Are we still being led by nose by MG and her “crew?”
Plus, not a dime to support her own children but enough $ for 10 months of a former FBI PI?
No matter what, something stinks.
Simon, thank you is just never enough! I just don’t know how else to tell you how much your appreciated!
I still don’t buy the “cousin Joe” did it theory. I also still wonder why Lindsey thew away Timmy and Tommy’s boots. She mentions it in the last videos you shared. Why would she do that?
I would believe it if Timmy may of helped in some way, but that has not came up. They also slipped in that audio where Tommy said that Timmy failed his poly. This whole gag are liars and I just don’t know what to believe. In my heart I feel Ron had something to do with it or knowledge. But I am nobody and don’t know any of the players. Prayers that LE will finally get some truth and find Haleigh.
Maybe AH or one of his people aread BNN postings also.. Hollysgmom put the info out on a posting yesterday.. Thats how we figured that Simon found out who.. how Hollysgmom found this info.. I didn’t ask, so either Art got it here or he got it from the same source Hollysgmom did..
Needless to say, You did well Simon keeping it quiet.. Others, well limelight it is!!!
It was simple
Search google for indochai…
you’ll find “Dowtown” Kerry Brown’s Twitter
THen do simple search for Haleigh + Brown and you’ll find Steve….
Ultimately it comes down to indochai’s post…
mlee – Actually, someone posted here that his/her “father” had solved the case. THEN HGm speculated as to where that poster might be from – based on the poster’s screen name.
So the person who really outed Steve Brown is whoever posted claiming his/her father solved the case (IMO) – probably thinking they could remain anonymous at least for a while.
Misty may have, or not, meant the ‘two people’ [who Chelsea cares about] are Tim and Tom, or Tim, Tom and Joe.
Tim sure was more than generous to pay for all those phone calls and like Joe, he got out of Dodge.
Didn’t Misty say she was closer to Tim, than Tom?
Remember, Tommy told Lindsy that he didn’t want to lie by agreeing with Misty, who put the blame on Joe.
i pray for all of you
m2c♥ said,in April 14th, 2010 at 1:30 pm Kate W @ 1:17
You said, “I do not mean to say that the Joe story is coming from Steve Brown. It’s coming from Art Harris.”
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That’s right. AH’s infamous “sources close to the family” and “friends of the family” just like the SAME kind of scumbags who helped MG wage a propaganda blog campaign FOR MONEY and AGAINST R even when her lawyer(KP) told her to stop back at the very beginning of this mess.
Are we still being led by nose by MG and her “crew?”
Plus, not a dime to support her own children but enough $ for 10 months of a former FBI PI?
No matter what, something stinks.
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I am of that opinion as well m2c♥, we have seen this all before and are expected to bite hook line and sinker.
Bite what? That TC told something and/or lead LE to that location…Seems like A LOT of activity for no reason…
Have you seen the map of Misty’s parent’s old residence compared to this location? Or the fact that JO’s sister OWNS the property?
They’re gonna find something…just one little phalange will do it.
”Steve Brown earlier this morning, Steve is the PI working for Crystal Sheffield that tipped the police off…”
Ok and just what was Crystal’s involvement?
I am very wary…
RadioNewz Announcement on HLN – Joe Overstreet will go to attorneys office, invite cameras & take questions later, approx 1 hour
I have to say when I heard that Steve Brown works for the Sheffields, a red flag came up. And then claiming the case is solved (without a body or evidence implicating the perps) leads me to believe this could be another wild goose chase. JMO
I believe Butterbean told the truth. A man in black with squeaky shoes took Sissy.
I imagine a good thief would dress for the time of day – black on night. Both Tom and Joe have arrest records for stealing.
I read last year that Joe had been playing with Haleigh on a trampoline a few days before she was reported missing. Maybe, or maybe not, the ‘bouncing couch’ Butterbean talked about had to do with Haleigh and Joe jumping on the couch, like they did on the trampoline.
Perhaps she was jumping on the couch, fell, hit her head . . .
Mr Brown also works with TC’s attorney Werter.
Obviously CS had NO involvement…GIve me a break people!
So, both Tommy and Misty claim Cousin Joe took Haliegh, killed and dumped her tiny body in the river and Tommy looked on…
Sad!
After “reading” comes “comprehending” – hopefully but obviously not always.
TM39 and I are asking if we are once again expected to blindly believe what “AH’s infamous “sources close to the family” and “friends of the family” have to say. Especially after the world of pain and trouble the same kind of sources caused before. And those sources were acting for MG and perhaps sometimes for KP.
Now that I think about it, it may have been one of those sources who really outed Brown to AH – on purpose of course.
Reading any AH articles gives a good idea of the kinds of always unnamed sources he gets his info from.
If Haleigh DNA found at search site…will it be CS to blame then? LE isn’t going to close this case without PROOF as in DNA, skull, bones, even the tiniest little finger or toe bone!
I have never believed Crystal was involved in this, but I dId not put anything past MG or JS. Right now I am wary of any info coming from any side. I would like to see some evidence to prove that what Tommy is claiming now is the truth, when we all know that he is a reputed liar and comes from a family of patological liars. Why is the search any different than any others before this? I will wait and see what comes of this–if anything!
Joe Overstreet will go to attorneys office, invite cameras & take questions later, approx 1 hour, according to RadioNewz.
Sure is bold guy if he’s guilty.
I suspect Tommy didn’t want to blame Joe because he knows Joe isn’t guilty.
OMG m2c Are you accusing MG of something to do with this other than trying to find her Grand daughter? We dont have any confirmation the PI was in the employ of the Sheffields, just that he was working WITH them and that could mean he is independently doing PI work to find Haleigh. jmo
tobias said,in April 14th, 2010 at 2:43 pm OMG m2c Are you accusing MG of something to do with this other than trying to find her Grand daughter? We dont have any confirmation the PI was in the employ of the Sheffields, just that he was working WITH them and that could mean he is independently doing PI work to find Haleigh. jmo
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I guess this should confirm it then.
What really, really, puzzles me is if the investigator SB was working for CS then why was she called into the police station – and why would she have been upset. If she hired the guy you would think he would have reported to her first?
Insurance purposes?
On his interview out of his own mouth he says he was working WITH the sheffields no where does he say he was working FOR the sheffields. Remember his words not what is written by others. jmo
Joe is on HLN NOW.
Hey guys, I guess I’m in need of attention. I posted earlier, wondering if they could possibly be looking for the red truck that was sold out from under Hank Sr when Hank Jr sold it to someone else supposedly. I proposed that a boat ramp would come in handy for putting a vehicle into the river. What do you guys think? I mean, after all this time, most evidence would have possibly traveled, but vehicles can sustain moving water.
The government pays the FBI agent. He isn’t a private eye for hire by anyone.
tobias – what is Joe saying?
Shockwave….I thought they found who he sold the truck to?! If he drove the truck into the water at the same place they are searching now I’m sure they would have found it by now. I thought they were looking for the van. Do Timmy and Chelsey not still have that van with the scratch on it?
I’m so lost. So much mis-information floating around…I don’t know what is fact and what is theory and what is just plain ole’ rumor!
If there is any, any truth to this Cousin It story, and Tommy and Misty knew this, they are just murders in my opinion. The whole pack of them, who would let someone walk out with a child, and not call 911? Then make up all this craziness? They should all be put to death! I am sick of hearing what supposed adults do to children and get away with! Don’t blame drugs either! There are plenty of people with addiction problems that don’t kill or molest children, that is a particular breed of people who can do things like this to a child, or stand by and watch somebody do something like this to a child!! They should all be on death row, each and every one of them! If they knew this that night, if they watched this crazy gun toting cousin walk out of that trailor with that little girl, then both Tommy and Missy belong on death row!!
Tobias, Steve Brown admitted that crystal was his client on his interview.
Shock – I think Brown is “EX-FBI”….so he is just a PI now and so could be hired by anyone….not sure if he was paid by anyone though….who knows.
pezzu–Good question. It seems Crystal and the Sheffields would have been regularly updated with his search results, especially since he has been investigating for over 10 months. All of the family being called to the police station is what led me to believe that indeed the search for Haleigh might yield some resolution. Now I am not so sure.
tobias said,in April 14th, 2010 at 2:43 pm OMG m2c Are you accusing MG of something to do with this other than trying to find her Grand daughter? We dont have any confirmation the PI was in the employ of the Sheffields, just that he was working WITH them and that could mean he is independently doing PI work to find Haleigh. jmo
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I just watched the video of Steve Brown again, he says Crystal was his client.
Which I don’t understand the problem with that
tobias said,in April 14th, 2010 at 2:55 pm On his interview out of his own mouth he says he was working WITH the sheffields no where does he say he was working FOR the sheffields. Remember his words not what is written by others. jmo
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He said crystal was his client.
Shockwave said,in April 14th, 2010 at 3:00 pm The government pays the FBI agent. He isn’t a private eye for hire by anyone
*************************************************LMAO What is up with all these assumptions? He is a PI and was hired by CS.
The only reason why it matters is that the Sheffield/ Griffis family has had an agenda and have lied their a$$ off.
When someone repeatedly proves themselves to be liers than what do you expect.
I believe I heard SB say Crystal was his ‘client’ but he was working with TCs attorney. If SB ‘solved’ this and then went to the police then the only thing I can figure out WHY Crystal was called to the station was they had found evidence and had verified what SB had said. At the least you would think SB would have taken his client with him to inform LE what he found.
SPIN
Can someone please tell me what Joe is saying on HLN? And if this claim is so credible, why isn`t Joe in police custody?
This tip came from either Tommy or Misty I dont see the Sheffields doing anything wrong unless you think having a PI is wrong. jmo
JB – I think the van was investigated by the police and then returned to Lindsey. Unless there is a 2nd van. Also to you, JB, because you are NOT rude, I apologize about getting the info incorrect on the FBI/PI thing. My brain turned on me for a moment. At least my brain isn’t stuck in MarieGriffisdidit’ville like other are.
Joe has told investigators that he is notinvolved. HLN said very little except he was interviewed last night and has said he is not involved. The guy is tiny, they showed a video of him walking across the yard of his home. jmo
IT a free wolrd tobias no one is telling you not to see what you want to see, just don’t go spreading rumors or untruths while here at BNN, because someone will correct it so that our readers can count on the truth being stood up for and the rumors and lies are not allowed.
tobias said,in April 14th, 2010 at 2:58 pm Joe is on HLN NOW.
Can you tell us anything that he is saying?
tobias said,in April 14th, 2010 at 3:18 pm Joe has told investigators that he is notinvolved. HLN said very little except he was interviewed last night and has said he is not involved. The guy is tiny, they showed a video of him walking across the yard of his home. jmo
Thanks Tobias
Do you have a link?
You just need to blame the Sheffields for everything right? Even for having a PI who may have solved this with the tip. And yet you all seem to see something sinister in it why? jmo
Who knows if Mr. Brown was getting paid though….he could be another pro bono person to insert themselves into this case. He still may not have shared the info with her until after he shared it with LE…..we’re all just guessing here and it is getting us nowhere….let
Taking a small break on my IPad to read th articles. An I do agree somewhat with th above post. Don’t rememer who but it’s true, we can’t love Haleigh by stoning her family.
All tht took place with her dissapearance will face their makers. They will b brought to justice. So for now let’s not cast stones and wait till this
developes
being here I can say tht th mood is tense. Everyone wants answers..and not another false alarm. I can say tht Haleigh’s precense is in th air and something big is abt to happen. You can smell it in th air.
For now my heart and soul is humbled by how gratefull I am to have my children alive and safe and well and protected.
Thank you to Simon and Jan and TJ and Cobra and
all of YOU!!! U guys r also didicated. My god I’ve read millions of
comments of concern.
Haleigh is smiling on us today. Th sun is up now and th heat is picking up. It’s beautyful out today….I think she’s coming home.
You know what is rather telling about ‘cousin Joe’ – is the fact that after the recent police interview – HE REMAINS ”FREE”. If they – LE – really believe that he is involved – on Tommy’s word – he would be under arrest.
I hope so Armando and for peace for the families all of them.jmo
What did cousin Joe say?
”…Brown said he knows what happened to Haleigh, and evidence prosecutors need to prove it is what investigators are searching for in the river near the Shell Harbor Boat Ramp — about five miles south of where Haleigh disappeared.
“I can tell you, but I won’t,” Brown told Channel 4’s Bruce Hamilton. “I can’t tell you anything, at this point, that I think will compromise the police investigation.”…
He later goes on to say…
”Misty certainly knows what happened in the trailer that night,” Brown said.
As my brothers would say ‘what a dillweed!’
JB, I think with the intense search there will be proof found if it hasnt already been found.
I just hope it is enough for a conviction. I do have reservations about Joe I think he may be a scapegoat for Misty. I feel it was just in the family and thats why it stayed quiet, no one wanted their sister or brother to go down for what ever happened. And right now we dont really know what that really is.jmo
tobbias,
Don’t let people get to you on here. You have contributed so much on this blog. First Crystal was being bashed for doing nothing and now it seems she is being bashed for hiring a PI. What ever happened to Ron’s PI?
Romewi, I too agree. Rons PI never happened and it was never brought up again. His lawyer said once he was going to set up a fund but his lawyer never did why? jmo
I’m confused about his wanting to keep his identity secret….the night before this became “news” indochai posted here about him solving the case and Hollys GMom was able to id him from indochai’s post. If he wanted to stay anonymous, why did he tell people, who in turn blogged about it before the story even broke.
I so hope he is the real thing. But given the Sheffields are behind this, I remain skeptical…we know what happened at their last “search” and that they also employed Dominic Casey.
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Texasmommy39 said,in April 14th, 2010 at 3:20 pm IT a free wolrd tobias no one is telling you not to see what you want to see, just don’t go spreading rumors or untruths while here at BNN, because someone will correct it so that our readers can count on the truth being stood up for and the rumors and lies are not allowed.
Sorry, I had to look twice at this one. You post this post right after you accuse MG & CS of setting this whole thing up and planting evidence? You might consider taking a break from this case. I know I am. You just sent me right over the end of sanity. I will pray for you.
HollysGmom said,in April 14th, 2010 at 1:51 pm It was simple
Search google for indochai…
you’ll find “Dowtown” Kerry Brown’s Twitter
THen do simple search for Haleigh + Brown and you’ll find Steve….
Ultimately it comes down to indochai’s post…
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You did some excellent sleuthing on this Hollys. You probably recall I was posting with you when you posted about Brown and I expressed skepticism that indochai was the real deal. Very good sleuthing Hollys.
m2c♥ said,in April 14th, 2010 at 1:30 pm Kate W @ 1:17
Are we still being led by nose by MG and her “crew?”
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I can’t help but wonder the same thing.
I don`t think anyone is bashing Crystal because she hired a PI. I don`t think anyone in this case has led an exemplary life, so none should be above reproach. Everyone in all of Haleigh`s families give me pause–the drugs and the crime lifestyle makes everyone suspect. And until some evidence proves who is actually guilty, I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether you agree with it or not. JMO
Also Tommy even said the PIs name on some of the tapes we heard. He said his lawyer and SB were going to be setting up the LDT for him.
Tommy talks like he has known the PI for awhile and Lindsy must know him too because she doesnt ask who the guy is. jmo
Shockwave said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Well, it’s very clear who one of the individuals bashing Haleigh’s family is.
Aaaaanyway…could one of the pieces of evidence be the missing Red truck? Hank Sr. was going to buy the truck from Tommy, but Tommy supposedly sold it right after Haleigh went missing. If you were going to throw a body into the water you would not need a boat ramp, but you would if you were trying to get rid of a vehicle. Misty talks about the truck when she undergoes the infamous voice stress test and hypnosis
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the red truck is not missing it’s in the custody of LE and has been since Aug. Tommy sold the red truck shortly after Haleigh went missing and it wasn’t even in his name it was in Lisa’s name. Tim Miller found the red truck in Aug and LE picked it up at that time.
I say we all stop fussing and fighting because NONE of us know Mr. Brown’s true relationship to ANY of the parties involved, we DON’T know what he knows about this case, we DON’T know what LE knows and we certainly don’t know who did what or why the night Haleigh went missing. So all ANY of us has is theory, speculation and assumptions. We only have our opinions which EACH of us in entitled to. No opinion is wrong because it is just that, an opinion.
Basically we know nothing more now than we knew a week or two weeks ago. All we can do is hope and pray that Haleigh is finally coming home and the person or persons responsible are held accountable. But all the fussing at each other isn’t going to help a dang thing.
We are all awaiting the facts and resolution. Patience isn’t one of our virtues (certainly not one of mine) so I know tempers can flare but all this speculation that Crystal is behind this or Chelsey said this or Tommy did that when we don’t know ANY of that for a fact is just making it next to impossible to figure out what we truly DO know as fact. I’m passing around some chill pills….I encourage everyone to take one…(perhaps some might need to take 2 or 3). 🙄
Noone in their right mind would say they ” cracked the case” unless they had a body or some SUBSTANTIAL evidence found. Police wanted to keep the name under wraps for that very reason, bcz the search may have turned out to be a bad lead. Now that its out, the expectations are too high. The cooler may end up being nothing more than a cooler with bottles in it. _ on the other hand there may be the possibilty of stashed guns or a body. I don’t know the whole story on the truck but as shockwave said maybe it got dumped. Who knows, maybe the cooler was locked inside the submerged truck and divers were given keys found by the P.I….right now EVERYTHINg is just SPECULATION based on the statement they heve” cracked the case “. Just saying he knows what happened in the trailer that night isn’t HARD evidence. unless they find a body in the cooler than I’ll be skeptical that it’s another wild goose chase. Why wouldn’t that cousin of theirs be in jail otherwise. Hows he at an interview if he were in custody ? or doess the video just show him in cuffs ? Could someone clue me in if they found a body in that cooler yet !
Miss Information @ 3:52pm-
I don’t think TM39 or anyone can be blamed for wondering what’s going on now considering what went on before – which we have documented proof of! Some of us DO LEARN from the past! And it makes us cautious which I think is sensible.
Vacquera , thanks for clearing up the red truck at the boat ramp . if its in custody it couldn’t be there.
Tobias @ 3:46 – If you are going to bash R for NOT hiring a PI, why don’t you bother to ask how Crystal managed a PI financially?
Oh, nevermind. I know why.
who bashed Ron I said his lawyer. And it is a fact that the lawyer said on tape and it never was mentioned again so I dont see any Ron bashing.jmo
Mel22 said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Noone in their right mind would say they ” cracked the case” unless they had a body or some SUBSTANTIAL evidence found. Police wanted to keep the name under wraps for that very reason, bcz the search may have turned out to be a bad lead
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I agree but pray your wrong. Thank you to all who post and help with finding HaLeigh.
tobias – Don’t play coy. Your “little” question @ 3:46 was loaded with innuendo (blaming R yet again) as usual.
But you never ask how C managed when she couldn’t scrape a nicket together (nor did she think she should have to) to help provide for her own two children? It’s just downright hypocrital.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=154696&catid=3
Search for Haleigh Cummings in Satsuma Area Turns up Nothing
PALATKA, Fla. — After two full days of searching the St. Johns River south of Satsuma, investigators this afternoon said they had found nothing of value in the Search for Haleigh Cummings.
An undisclosed tip early yesterday led searchers to a boat ramp a few miles south of the home where the then-5-year-old girl was last seen.
Dive crews searched all day, into the night and again today.
Lt. Johnny Greenwood with the Putnam County Sheroff’s Office said this afternoon, “This search has failed to yield any items of evidentiary value in the case.”
Greenwood also addressed a rumor that someone had been arrested.
“Sheriff Hardy wants the citizens of Putnam County and the media to know that this rumor is false. There is currently no one in law enforcement custody as the result of the investigation into Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance.”
At least 25 investigators came to the dock area at the end of shell Harbour Road this morning. All police, and even people who live in the neighborhood, must check in and out at a security checkpoint.
Divers are focused on digging up river mud and hauling it out in the blue cooler shown in pictures, for further sifting. Nothing has been found so far.
who said he was paid?
We are all getting to upset over something that might be nothing. Misty could be lying again. Trying to throw Joe under the bus. When in fact Joe could be totally innocent. JMO
Why did Misty hang posters of Haleigh up with him if she knew he did it? Why did Misty go visit his family not long ago? Why did Misty not tell Ron or LE it was him after he left that night or after he left town? NONE of this adds up. JMO
Also since you are assuming Crystal is paying him with no proof I would call that bashing Crystal. I have had enough tonight so go on with your posts that make no sense. bbl jmo
protectkidz said at 4:32 pm –
Who said he wasn’t? And if he wasn’t, he could have worked on his own from an objective and unbiased view instead of obviously and admittedly representing C.
“All they told us was that they have a new lead,” Neves said. She is the mother of Ronald Cummings, who is now in jail on drug-related charges.
The family was not given information about the search on Tuesday and Wednesday in the St. Johns River.
“We would like to thank everybody and pray that this will bring us Haleigh alive,” Neves added. “It’s been hard on the family, especially for Ronald, being where he is.”
No evidence found so far in latest Haleigh search
(Update posted at 4:30 p.m.) No new evidence has been found so far in the newest search related to Haleigh Cummings, the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office reported Wednesday afternoon.
“At this point, this search has failed to yield any items of evidentiary value in the case,” the agency reported in a statement released at about 4 p.m.
The Sheriff’s Office also refuted a rumor that anyone is in custody regarding the case.
“There is currently no one in law enforcement custody as the result of the investigation into Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance,” the statement reported.
PI says his tip led to search in Haleigh case
I’m shocked at the lines drawn in the sand.
Some of you sound more loyal to certain family members than you do to HaLeigh – and you don’t even know them!
Nobody knows yet. It’s all still up in the air.
Armando, By the way great photos keep up the good work. Keep safe. Peace.
Crystals hired fbi man is going to get the reward money and Crystal will get the death benifit for Haleigh’s death. Lots of money coming their way for this. I don’t believe they are going to find the body. The fbi guy said after this amount of time nothing would be there. He has evidense proving that Joe did this well Joe fished that area, he threw things to the gators there, there is going to be things of his there. I can not and will not believe Haleigh is gone till they find her body. This is too easy to link Joe to the area. Here this fbi man wanted to keep his identity a secret but shows up on the morning news doing an interview? No, he’s looking for fame and money.
m2c…please take the chill pill I offered. Your continual attack on Tobias is over the top. Everything she says is suspect to you and it is becoming obvious it is a personal thing with you. I or others could say the EXACT same thing as Tobias and you’d never make a comment but no matter WHAT she says you are all over her with accusations and hatred. STOP IT ALREADY! HOW DOES ANY OF THAT HELP HALEIGH! Does NO ONE understand they are looking for this child’s body right now? Does that mean NOTHING to you? STOP THE ATTACKS AND THE CONSTANT CRITICAL REMARKS! This is about HALEIGH…not YOU or anyone else here! If someone wants to make a comment about Ron that is their RIGHT! If they want to make a comment about Crystal that is their right too. We’re all just stating opinion so get off the soapbox and give it a rest!
no one in custody…so much for AH’s ‘bombshells’ and that Tommy ‘cracked’ LOL.
SHOCKWAVE: About the red truck, that’s why I keep going back to the 1st Haleigh sighting WHICH WAS IN TENNESSEE right after she disappeared. The woman reported to police that a girl fitting Haleigh’s description EXACTLY, was standing with a youngish man, dark brown hair, and she even told police he was holding a styrofoam “to go” box from the restuarant of the parking lot they were in.
But, of course, no coincidence that Cousin Joe hightailed his butt straight back home to TN THE VERY NEXT DAY AFTER HALEIGH DISAPPEARED.
I think he had Haleigh with him, and that is why she was sighted in TN shortly after.
That is why I never believed he was innocent, PCSO was way too early and eager to shout to the rooftops that they questioned him and cleared him. And they never brought him up again.
The sighting in ABINGTON,MASSACHUSSETTS, in the walmart, very close to where Timmy lives; PCSO goes up there and questions them and then miracously they are “cleared”, and then PCSO gives the bogus official statement including that they “will not give any specific details of the matters that were discussed in the questioning”, of course, just like Cousin Joe, that sighting was never mentioned again, and we never saw any pictures of it from the walmart surveillance cameras. (unlike other cases, where the pics are blasted all over the news)
I still also believe in the sighting of her in the goodwill store and that M.Sheffield is involved.
This occured to me today: How do we know WHEN (anything) was placed or dumped in the river? So far, all we have is WHERE.
I still believe that Haleigh was relentlessly transported back and forth b/w everyone from state to state, because of the coincidences that ALL SIGHTINGS were in states and towns that these certain family members were PROVEN to be at THE EXACT SAME TIME, even to their own admittance.
SHAME on the “locals” that are complaining about the “commotion” that is going on because they’re not getting a good nights sleep. To the local residents that are complaining: Please leave your names with the authorities so they can promise to not conduct such a “noisy” search if God forbid one of your children go missing!!!!!!! UGH, people never cease to amaze me!!!!!!
I am also wondering if the PI was hired so as to assist Crystal with cashing in the life insurance policy. I wonder how much it is for.
Sadly, with no evidence found, I fear this is another wild goose chase.
SHAME on the “locals” that are complaining about the “commotion” that is going on because they’re not getting a good nights sleep. To the local residents that are complaining: Please leave your names with the authorities so they can promise to not conduct such a “noisy” search if God forbid one of your children go missing!!!!!!! UGH, people never cease to amaze me!!!!!!
the money involved in this case – death benefit money and/or reward money is not that significant.
protectkidz…
How do you know how much the insurance policy is for and what do you call “not that significant”, keeping in mind the couple “Crystal & Chad” haven’t been able to financially support their own children and live in a trailer on their parent’s property? IMO, even $5000 would be significant to them, and I’m guessing the policy is for a lot more than that.
Also the fbi guy is the one who administered the lie detector test isn’t he? The one working with his lawyer? How nice that he’s got access to the one he’s grilling for the Murder. Did the police do another lie detector test on his confession? Did he pass when he said he witnessed the body being dumped. Which if he witnessed that he had to have been there to get threatened and to see the murder done. Where was she murdered? There would still be evidence.
Hassani Campbells is $75,000 I DONT SEE ANY pi TRYING TO COLLECT ON THAT ONE. JMO
hello everyone, i want to say that my heart, thoughts and prayers are with haleigh and her family and friends.
i don’t know how this will all turn out. i am praying that haleigh is brought home. also if there is evidence to be found that it is found and that the whole truth comes out.
the video yesterday of haleigh’s family leaving police headquarters after le had talked to them all, i could only imagine their pain. and now they have to wait some more.
as a mother myself, i could not forget the look i saw on crystal’s face. even if she knew what was going to be said at pcso hdquarter’s, how do you prepare for that?
Miss Information said,in April 14th, 2010 at 3:52 pm Quote:
Texasmommy39 said,in April 14th, 2010 at 3:20 pm IT a free wolrd tobias no one is telling you not to see what you want to see, just don’t go spreading rumors or untruths while here at BNN, because someone will correct it so that our readers can count on the truth being stood up for and the rumors and lies are not allowed.
Sorry, I had to look twice at this one. You post this post right after you accuse MG & CS of setting this whole thing up and planting evidence? You might consider taking a break from this case. I know I am. You just sent me right over the end of sanity. I will pray for you.
**************************************************Sorry….. go ahead take a break I hope you get to felling better.
Tobias knows what I mean. Always fighting for the last word and it is always rumors and not facts.
Sounds like the stupid cooler is being used to lift out mud and sand only according to what BB12 wrote. I think this is worse than trying to find a needle in haystack. Its more like sifting for nothing in the mud. This was total specualation based on the foolhardy words of a P.I. saying he “cracked the case ” b4 any real evidence was found. Another money maker for the tabloids every few months when the story goes cold. People that close to the case should hold back words like that until real “case cracking” evidence is found. I’d like evidence he actually said those words especially when NOTHING extra was found in the search. I wonder if the evidence ,given to police to get the search underway was even real “HARD” evidence or just more uncovered “alledged” stories by the players involved.
Steve Brown, former FBI Agent:
“I have been working this case for the past ten months. Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh’s mom, has been my client.”
http://www.news4jax.com/video/23145771/index.html
Texasmommy39 said,in April 14th, 2010 at 3:10 pm Shockwave said,in April 14th, 2010 at 3:00 pm The government pays the FBI agent. He isn’t a private eye for hire by anyone
*************************************************LMAO What is up with all these assumptions? He is a PI and was hired by CS.
The only reason why it matters is that the Sheffield/ Griffis family has had an agenda and have lied their a$$ off.
When someone repeatedly proves themselves to be liers than what do you expect.
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See this is what I am talking about …. Tell me please where did I lie and spread rumors. Miss information is your name?
Ex-FBI Veteran Polygraph Operator Ron Grenier (aka The Father of LDT) is the man who was to meet with Tommy Croslin to administer a lie detector test. No factual information has been available if the LDT actually took place last Thursday or NOT. All we know is after Thursday, Tommy’s attorney James Werter of St. Augustine, Fla. sent a text out stating he no longer representing Tommy in matters pertaining to HaLeigh, just criminal case involving the current charges.
Crystal could have made lots of money just selling pics of Haleigh to the Today show if she wanted. Maybe she has.
But if there is a death benefit, it will be split between her and Ron and a death certificate would need to be written up.
No death certificate without a body. No body unless someone killed HaLeigh and she is found.
Are people thinking that Crystal killed HaLeigh, threw her body into the St. Johns River, waited 14 months, and then sent a tip to LE?
Oh wait, she hired this ex-FBI guy to work 10 months on the case so that they could wait til Misty, Ron and Tommy get busted for drugs – then wait a few more months and set up the situation to bust the case wide open, find HaLeigh’s body, frame Joe Overstreet, Tommy and Misty, and be free to collect a few thousand dollars?
Texas – you told Tobias not to do what you’ve been doing for weeks now. Shouting from the roof tops and even posting directly to Crystal and clan saying they kidnapped Haleigh. What facts do you have to back up those accusations? I asked you for fact and never got any. So who is starting rumors?
Dang, I completely believe EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion but when they start bashing others and basically state it is their way or the highway and anyone who doesn’t believe the same way they do is flogged to death is getting SO old! If Tex believes Crystal did this then she is entitled to that opinion. If Tobias, or anyone else were to believes the toothfairy took Haleigh they are entitled to that opinion for Pete’s sake just the way you are entitled to rant about Crystal. SO BACK OFF ALREADY! EVERYONE is way over the top with their attacks. I’m out of here!
here is a link for what Joe had to say :
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=154759&catid=3
FBI Agents are paid by our federal government as they are considered federal employees. RETIRED (EX, former) FBI Agents are considered “Consultants”….. paid by clients and or pro bono consulting work. They are no different that you and me except their work history resume. Former FBI Agents are regular members of the community.
Sorry Shockwave to pull that post and use it as the example but misinformation pointed it out and how my comment caused a condition>Sorry
IMO: Just like in the KC case people are working Pro Bono for personal gain aka write a book. HaLeigh will be a chapter in the Retired FBI Book and he will use this case to promote his “Consulting” Business = IMO
GOOGLE: FBI Profiler John Douglas, IMO everyone wants to be like him, went from $50k a year to a millionaire over night, off of his books and consulting company.
As for Crystal selling photo’s etc. my sources say she had no current photos and CNN and NBC paid Ron as he was the one with current videos and photos.
This very important search comes after months of investigating by journalist, bloggers, and LE. Maybe its time to thank those who would not let this story fade. Thank you Jan & Simon Barrett, Tj Hart, Armando, Cobra, and BNN & thesky 973 aswell as Hollysgmom, cathyjo, tobias, beautiful adams cent, vaguera, dustyrose, karOn to name a few of the dedicated bloggers seeking justice. THANK YOU FOR CARING ABOUT THIS PRECIOUS LITTLE GIRL.
*this is a positive note that I have no doubt will bring on negative notes at myself*
Well I am just going to keep my opinion to myself.
My only concern are the CHILDREN… Thats all. Things do happen for a reason, saddly but thats if people takes the time to listen. I cant explain why bad things happen to innocent children. My prayers are for Haleigh, Jr, and other Children who are involved in this…
on newsjax4.com (i think newjax), it was said the sb was investigating the case for 10 months. and that he has worked for crystal for 6 months. i really don’t know who is paying him. but, the police are still looking for haleigh and they are looking for evidence. so i for one am not worried about bias at this point. i believe in skepticism and your right to say so. but, it feels like a couple or a few here really “need” for crystal to always be in the wrong.
IF HaLeigh’s guarding was collecting disability checks for HaLeigh, social security survivors benefits is $300. I have never seen proof that HaLeigh had life insurance etc.
AS of Feb 2009 – The reward leading to the return of missing Florida 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings was raised to $25,500.
Hi ms.peridot:
I have been missing you. Please come back.
nevermind – i’ll go home.
it’s all tabloid. That’s why citing that “someone is in custody” when they clearly are not is so annoying. Its an attention grabber only and is not truthful reporting. I’m glad 2 see Simon opted to leave out the names of ppl and let others make a fool of themselves on false “claims”. Clearly this was just another search snowballed into a money maker by other “false” reporters boosting their claims to make attention getting ” headline grabbers “. Nothing special happened on this search. its over. ZERO, ZILCH ! I’ll be back next time when some REAL evidence is found. What a waste of my time and hopes !
Please everyone remain calm. Let this case unfold. No one is in the clear yet, please remember Haleigh. Realize this may b a recovery mission, have a heart. It’s not the right place or time to get your hate on.
yall missing all the action on scaredmonkeys they have pics of Misty at the search site.
According to a news report there is still no evidence as of 4:30 p.m. this afternoon.
video of Misty at search site:
http://www.news4jax.com/video/15505198/index.html
the picture is also at first coast news
protectkidz said,in April 14th, 2010 at 4:56 pm Crystal could have made lots of money just selling pics of Haleigh to the Today show if she wanted. Maybe she has.
But if there is a death benefit, it will be split between her and Ron and a death certificate would need to be written up.
No death certificate without a body. No body unless someone killed HaLeigh and she is found.
Are people thinking that Crystal killed HaLeigh, threw her body into the St. Johns River, waited 14 months, and then sent a tip to LE?
Oh wait, she hired this ex-FBI guy to work 10 months on the case so that they could wait til Misty, Ron and Tommy get busted for drugs – then wait a few more months and set up the situation to bust the case wide open, find HaLeigh’s body, frame Joe Overstreet, Tommy and Misty, and be free to collect a few thousand dollars?
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As far as I am aware Ron doesn’t have a life insurance policy on Haleigh, so I’m not sure why you think Crystal would split it with him??? They weren’t married or anything like that, so Ron would have no legal entitlement.
And you don’t need a body for a death certificate.
I have no idea where your theories come from, but if you are asking if there are people that feel money may have been a motive for Haleigh disappearing, I certainly see that as a real possibility.
The only thing I have a problem with Steven Brown is his comment that he solved the case and he knows exactly what happened in that trailer. Really? Where is the evidence? I would not do interviews without having evidence to back up those claims. Frankly, who hired him or if he is working pro bono is of no consequence to me. But living up to those claims he has made is a point of contention with me. Why make a family suffer needlessly is irresponsible if you can not live up to the promises. JMO
the death benefits would be split – if you are talking federal death benefits.
but who cares? HaLeigh’s body may very well be found soon, and then you can see for yourself who jumps for the money. Whatever piddly-a$$ amount you think her life is worth to her parents.
lol. Me, I was being sarcastic as the theories here, the basis for the loyalties for the specific family members are so far out in left field that it is ridiculous.
federal death benefits would be split between the parents and yes, they would need a death certificate as this is a criminal case.
Misty at the search site??? Really? I wonder why?
video of misty at search site on 4jax now
protect..
Early news reports claimed that Crystal said she had a life insurance policy on Haleigh. That is what I was talking about, not government death benefits.
You said you need a body for a death certificate….that is wrong.
It seems MC may be cooperating fully. Hate that she took so long to talk IF that is what is going on. Maybe we will know more later today or tomorrow morning.
Robin – there may be a good reason PI Brown is an EX-FBI.
I guess now we know where the money raised for Haleigh was going to – if paid. I mean, that was a good way to spend any money raised in my opinion.
Mel22 @ 4:52
You said, “I’d like evidence he actually said those words.”
Please watch the interview with Steve Brown at the link below.
He said: “On Monday I solved the case.
That’s why they’re out there.”
http://www.news4jax.com/video/23145771/index.html
I just went on on sarahs myspace(crystals sister) one of her top friends britts status reads: sarah crystal,i love u all and im so so sorry for what happened to HaLeigh Bug
Posted 3 hours ago
another person commented on her page saying: I’m sorry, that’s so sad. Who did it?
I cant read the response becasue it is private but to me this seems that something is known.
JB, I agree thats why I stopped posting in the past cause some of us arent allowed to have our own opinions about this case. I will keep you all in my prayers cause to me we all are Haleigh’s family. This little girl touched so many people lives. Hopefully her family can learn from what their daughter, granddaughter taught everyone here. There is no going back and correct the changes that Ron or Crystal made in their past its what they can do now in honor of their daughter.
I have my opionions on this case untill other proven wrong. We still have no facts on who the tipster is and what they are looking for or what evidence they have.
I am watching prime time news on hln they didnt mention much on it other then they are still looking, they mention Misty telling Le some things didnt say way, Joe has been questioned and released. His momma said that his son is staying out of trouble and it sounds like he is being set up.
All I want just like the rest of you is Haleigh brought home, that justice is taking on the people that are involved including those who knew about it as well and what happened to this precious little girl that is innocent in the matter.
The only ones I see that are innocent is the children, Haleigh, Jr and all the other children surrounding these families. Its not their fault with the parents they have.
A death certificate, sometimes medical certificate of the cause of death (MCCD), is a document issued by a government official such as a registrar of vital statistics that declares the date, location and cause of a person’s death.
A death certificate is required in order to arrange a burial or cremation, to provide prima facie evidence of the fact of death, which can be used to prove a person’s will or to claim on a person’s life insurance.
Death certificates may also be issued pursuant to a court order or an executive order in the case of individuals who have been declared dead in absentia.
Missing persons and victims of mass disasters may be issued death certificates in one of these manners. Example: Plane Crash, explosions etc..
hi karon! it is good to see you too and thank you. i have had some “things” going on. but, i read this blog whenever i could.
i have been still hoping for haleigh coming home alive. but, obviously, the police are believing that is most likely not true.
i saw das talking to the press. it broke my heart hearing her say she is still hoping for the best. what ALL of hc family is going through!
the last couple of days, i even watched ng and jvm!
i believe levi is going to have a show tonight.
karon, do you have thoughts on if misty and/or tommy are telling some/most of the truth? i believe tommy is telling at least some of the truth. when lindsay pushed him to tell all he knows and to grow up, you can hear panic in tommy’s voice. he could not get out of the lie detector test. and maybe now that he is not using drugs or at least less drugs, he needed to tell the truth?
protectkidz:
I’ll say it once again. I have no respect for and certainly no “loyalty” to either side of the family. But during the past year I was sickened by the treatment of R and his family not only by bloggers but by MG and her crew (including KP) while watching bio-mom’s side get a free ride when nothing of the sort is deserved. Hence, I try to provide some measure of balance in pointing out certain facts and possibilities that should not be ruled out.
I have never denied the possibility that R, M etc could have been involved. But I will not stand for a smear campaign against them while truths and theories about the G/S side get ignored.
It looks like Misty is looking at something the person to her left (Misty’s left) is holding up, but I can’t tell what it is. Well, I have my own children to worry about. Talk to you guys later.
kbrooks @ 5:38 “Not allowed to have your opinion?” LOL!
I’ve been personally threatened because of (pftem incorrect) accusations about my opinion. Try standing in my shoes and a few other people here. You ain’t seen nothin.
m2c♥ said,in April 14th, 2010 at 5:41 pm protectkidz:
I’ll say it once again. I have no respect for and certainly no “loyalty” to either side of the family. But during the past year I was sickened by the treatment of R and his family not only by bloggers but by MG and her crew (including KP) while watching bio-mom’s side get a free ride when nothing of the sort is deserved. Hence, I try to provide some measure of balance in pointing out certain facts and possibilities that should not be ruled out.
I have never denied the possibility that R, M etc could have been involved. But I will not stand for a smear campaign against them while truths and theories about the G/S side get ignored.
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ok. don’t stand for it. good for you.
personally, I haven’t seen a “smear campaign”. I’ve seen the remnants of an ugly custody situation that culminated in the loss of a child – and the emotions that followed.
but I know how important it is for some to make sure that HaLeigh’s mother bears at least part, if not all, of the blame for this situation, so have at it.
have a good night everyone – hoping that HaLeigh is soon brought in from the cold.
Apparetnly ( from what i’ve read only )on the interview joe overstreet says he handed out fliers for awhile before leaving, so its not as if he “suddenly ” disappeared in the middle of the night. He would have to snatch her then hide her. Then hand out fliers for a short time the next morning. pick her back up from the hiding spot and leave without being seen in all that police and media frenzy. I used to think his dissappearance sounded suspicious but now it seems more plausible that he was already planning on leaving and so he did after passing out fliers for awhile. Would he really be stupid enough to take her to a restaurant as “alledged” in the sightings after a morning of police frenzy. I doubt it. He may have been involved in a more indirect way like helping dump her body after an OD with other players like WB greg as “alledged” in the party house affidavit. If he did do anything it was to didpose of her ‘then and there’ with no state to state transportation. That would have been too difficult to not be be caught.
Any links to the Misty sighting at boat landing. I can’t find it.
Look up romewi I posted one
romewi,
If you go to the clickorlando twitter page they have some links up. It seems to be getting reported on all the news sites now.
JVM has misty on the scene right now…I mean JVM is on HLN and Misty is at the scene SOMETHING IS UP!!!!
Have to get some things done…bbl…fingers crossed Haleigh is found alive by the time I return.
I have the Misty at the search site photo in my blog.
tobias said,
in April 14th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Also since you are assuming Crystal is paying him with no proof I would call that bashing Crystal. I have had enough tonight so go on with your posts that make no sense. bbl jmo
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and Art said last night that Brown was working for Tommy, so we have dueling clients.Just like we have dueling information givers..some say Tommy gave them the clue to look in river and I heard today that is was Misty that gave them the tip..at this point I don’t know what to believe from this 3 ring circus
I think bringing her there is just a ploy to get her talking. I don’t think that site has anything to offer evidence wise. It was an area probably brought up in questioning as a spot she used to meet up with “pill buyers” at. Remote . out of the way. I think this site has more to do with her other drug charges if anything. They’re probably sifting for pills or guns thrown away by “wholesalers” connected with her drug charge.
New article.
On JVM she states and it shows Misty down at the river in handcuffs talking with Misty. From what JVM states that Art Harris said Tommy cracked not Misty. Joe is claiming he is innocent and he is thinking that he is being set up cause of all the lies. Okay put the LDT on his butt. There are so many lies going all around. Cant someone tell the truth…
for all i know, marie griffis, is a mother/grandmother who is doing the best she can, to help her family. maybe she was scared or very concerned for the welfare of her grandchildren, so did whatever she could to help her daughter get custody. i personally never thought it wrong for crystal to fight for custody.
i think protectkidz put it perfectly!
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protectkidz said,in April 14th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
“…personally, I haven’t seen a “smear campaign”. I’ve seen the remnants of an ugly custody situation that culminated in the loss of a child – and the emotions that followed…”
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all i really know about marie griffis, haleigh cummings grandmother is, right now her life has to be hell. her heart must have indescribable pain and fear in it for haleigh.
so even if bloggers or the public has been unfair to r.c. it does not help anything to vilify marie. like all families these two each have their own sides.
Nothing about this case should surprise me anymore; however, IF that is MC at the dock where LE has been searching the past few days, where is her attorney? Hard to imagine he would allow her to be taken there and interogated if is against her will or without her cooperation….but I don’t know Florida laws..
The “me, me, me” attitude of who did or didnot crack this case is so very unethical on every level… The PI alledgedly hired by CS interviewed on a local Flo. TV station this a.m. claiming he cracked the case Monday was embarassing…. as well as many other so called ‘professionals” …..
The blogging brawl over who would benefit finacially from HaLeigh’s death is equally mindboggling. I seriously doubt any parent that either cannot afford to care for their children w/o dealing drugs, or doesn’t even know the name of their child’s doctor, would have the wherewithall or the money to purchase a life insurance policy on a small child.
Tragic lives, tragic circumstances. God bless the children trapped in the dysfunctional chaos of these families.
Hey nicoleninny!
Thank you for accusing me of having a moral compass. I take that as a compliment.
The comment you were referring to was my explanation to another blogger who totally misunderstood my opinions.
If only an effort toward fairness was as “okay” with some as villifying certain family members seems to be (as in R over the past year).
As far as expressing what I think is fair and reasonable, it has just as much a place here as anyone else’s opinions about people or theories.
Lastly may I wish that all the “bullies” in your life try to be as fair as I do. You’d be blessed.
i don’t think the site they are searching could have been found by Joe alone if he was dumping a body. misty said in an interview somewhere that I watched online in the early days of the investigation that joe did not know the area well at all, that tommy did though because of all the crack he smoked & his need to find places out of the way to smoke. another note: we all jumped to some conclusions when tommy said that he went by misty’s place at 10 and no one was home. we automatically thought “where was she? why didn’t she hear him knock?” well, i don’t necessarily think he even went by at 10 and if he did, maybe he went by to break in and steal the gun everyone is talking about. after all, he ended up stealing a gun 6 months later from a stranger so it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility. if he did break in (he could have easily unlocked the back door earlier in the day when misty said he was over when the a/c man was there) then by saying he was there at 10 puts him at the scene with a logical explanation in case someone later said they saw him there. admitting he was there also helped him get out on bond. he very easily could have taken haleigh either with joe present or without. just a thought. i initially did not believe misty was there when i heard that he stopped by at 10, but i think he is lying to cover his butt and i think he played a major role in haleigh’s death and its possible that joe had nothing to do with her disappearance.
amys said,in April 14th, 2010 at 7:16 pm i don’t think the site they are searching could have been found by Joe alone if he was dumping a body. misty said in an interview somewhere that I watched online in the early days of the investigation that joe did not know the area well at all, that tommy did though because of all the crack he smoked & his need to find places out of the way to smoke. another note: we all jumped to some conclusions when tommy said that he went by misty’s place at 10 and no one was home. we automatically thought “where was she? why didn’t she hear him knock?” well, i don’t necessarily think he even went by at 10 and if he did, maybe he went by to break in and steal the gun everyone is talking about. after all, he ended up stealing a gun 6 months later from a stranger so it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility. if he did break in (he could have easily unlocked the back door earlier in the day when misty said he was over when the a/c man was there) then by saying he was there at 10 puts him at the scene with a logical explanation in case someone later said they saw him there. admitting he was there also helped him get out on bond. he very easily could have taken haleigh either with joe present or without. just a thought. i initially did not believe misty was there when i heard that he stopped by at 10, but i think he is lying to cover his butt and i think he played a major role in haleigh’s death and its possible that joe had nothing to do with her disappearance.
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OH, I totally forgot that! You are absolutely right, except IIRC it was Lindsey that stated that. The family has been told nothing has been found to corroborate anything, so I think it’s smoke and mirrors from the Croslins
Anth said,in April 14th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
hmmmm, jeez, she didn’t have her lawyer with her? not smart. i don’t get it!
m2c..As has been stated before, if Haleigh had disappeared while staying with Crystal, everyone would be focused on her and her family more closely. I don’t think anyone excuses the poor excuse of a mother she was to Haleigh and Jr in the past but this happened in RON’S home, with the girlfriend HE chose, with people he surrounded himself with, etc….so LOGICALLY people tend to look more closely and focus on the SCENE of the crime which appears to be the MH that RON lived in. It is just logic that leads us to look at AND discuss the home that Haleigh was abducted from and those who lived there. It isn’t a smear campaign, it isn’t attacking one side more than the other…it is what it is….RON’S home is where Haleigh was last seen and where she lived. It was RON’S girlfriend who saw her last….it is RON’S girlfriend’s brother and cousin who have seemed to be implicated in Haleigh’s abduction…so WHY on earth would I or anyone else sit around discussing Crystal’s house, her family, her shortcomings, her habits, her possible motives when NOTHING thus far has pointed to her being involved IMHO.
You always seem to think we are picking on Ron and letting Crystal slide. HALEIGH DISAPPEARED FROM RON’S HOUSE NOT CRYSTALS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YES, WE DO FOCUS ON RON AND THOSE THAT WERE IN THAT HOUSE THAT NIGHT. SHHHEEEESSSHHH!
thank you, JB. very well said.
JB very well said thank you
Wonder what evidence that they have found for them to search the area. I am so sick of NG cant stand this woman at all. Misty is down there as well I wonder what she is telling them. I hope that this will come to a close and we all know something about what and who and why this happened to this precious little girl..
God bless all
if there are any s. diver’s here, could you tell us, if there is a way for the search divers to light up the area they are working in? maybe even from above?
Thanks JB,
You stated it so eloquently. It is what it is and some can’t stand that, I put them on the same level as Nancy Grace in her “worship” of Ron and her complete and absolute hatred of anyone on the maternal side of the family.
I also agree to what JB has said!!
But what bothers me so bad is ex Casey Anothy may get off not much harsh on her sentences, the Susan smith case where she killed her children. Parents like that bothers the crap out of me and those who neglect, abuse their children cause they are taking their children’s life for granted.
The reason why it bothers me is cause I loss a child, I was very much blessed and wish my son Daniel could be with me now. I look at all these cases and see ungreatful people parents who shouldnt deserve children. It breaks my heart everytime when the tv goes on of missing children. Of course for me its natural to look at the parents first cause what other parents have done to their children in the past, sometimes it isnt the parents but someone else but still it breaks my heart. A awhile ago I stopped posting cause it was breaking my heart all these people fighting among each other cause you all want the truth, we all are getting lied too. So we go after each other even though we have our own opinions. I dont like arguing or fighting or ugliness. Its okay that we dont agree but it doesnt mean you are right or I am wrong its just an opinion thats all it is. till something is proven. I have my views on things cause of what I have gone through. Its my views only.
God bless you all
(Applauding JB)
Denial is not just a rivel in Egypt….it also seems to flow right through Putnam County as well.
SOmeone has CONFESSED to knowing Haleigh is DECEASED! LE is now trying to prove it is true…so it ToC gave the info and he NOW has a bond…..don’t you think they found the proof PRIOR to allowing his bond to be set???
REALLY THINK ABOUT IT!!!
Hi is anyone here? I can’t sleep….thinkin about HaLeigh. Dis Tommy get a bond? Oh I wish we would hear something soon. My heart is just numb, I feel like I’ve lost one of my own.
oops I meant did tommy get a bond.
JB – I’m referring to the year long campaign to place blame on R when people should have been looking at ALL theories! Including SOs and BioMom’s side. And MG DID orchestrate a smear campaign – it is documented and some bloggers who participated in it have had the decency to apologize for it.
Spending a year plus beating up Haleigh’s father while ignoring or whitewashing info about her mother was not right. I don’t care where she disappeared from. How many examples do you need of kids who were kidnapped from right under their parents’ noses?
Trying to justify that kind of unrelenting cruelty is pathetic.
If it was true, that people justified their treatment of R on his responsibility as a father involved in drugs and entrusting the children with M, then why didn’t those same people rise up in outrage when druggie C got custody of Jr? It is flat-out hypocritical. IMO
And Just One – NG is narrow-minded and vindictive much like YOUR point of view.
I’ve always been open to the possibility that a number of people could be directly and indirectly responsible.
morning m2c♥ and everyone,
i had asked if any one here knows about the visibility the divers have in the st.j.river. after reading the article “Darkness, muck help keep river’s secrets from Haleigh Cummings searchers” i now have a clue.
…Ten feet below the surface, they would see “a vague amber illuminescence, but no real light,” Holland said.
At 15 feet, a diver with his own light might see 12 to 20 inches in good conditions. But if the river bottom carries silt, he said, “you can’t see anything, [even] if you put the light right on your mask.”
In dark conditions, he said, divers can easily become disoriented and often depend on communication lines with a controller on shore to steer their movements…
well, talk about a challenge. if there is any evidence there to be found, i am praying for them to find it.
well i was wondering about the possibility of the searchers using sonar. in the article “Underwater search is no easy task ”
…Searchers may use sonar to try and look for certain areas to concentrate the hunt and then conduct a grid-by-grid search of the location.
also in the article is “And divers hunting on the bottom of the water must worry about their safety even as they try to remain alert for evidence. Even on a warm day and in shallow water, there are limits to a diver’s endurance as they are exposed to the cooler water and breathing compressed air, Tyson said.”
Did he really get bonded? If he has they most have more evidence other then his word on to what happened to Haleigh. Hopefully the right person is going to be charged with this. I dont understand how any of them of then not having a heart could hold onto this information for 14months not saying a darn word. There has been so many lies coming from this case that it makes my head spin as it stands hopefully Haleigh will be brought and the case can have all the answered to it.
I just hope its not another goose run. It cant be if they set his bond now they have to have some sort of evidence on it.
morning kbrooks,
i agree with you about how could these people hold on to this information all this time. i was hoping if say tommy was involved, he was trying to protect misty as an older brother. but, still, he is a father himself. so i have a hard time with that too.
well whoever is involved, we all may be finding out very soon. i really would be shocked if they went on the word of any one of these people. they have to have some evidence. and yes i too really hope the right person is found!
if the article i am mentioning is correct we may soon be finding out who or what happened.
did you see the article on cfnews “Arrest Imminent In Haleigh Search?” Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08:32 AM this is part of the article: Croslin was seen talking to Putnam County authorities on the dock of the St. Johns River.
Authorities are now calling the area a crime scene.
A source close to the case told News 13 an arrest in the Cummings’ case is imminent.
According to News 13’s source, Croslin is expected to testify against the person, who will be arrested in exchange for a reduced sentence on her drug charges.
m2c – I believe people have expressed concern that Crystal has custody of Jr, thank you very much but this is the HALEIGH CASE we are discussing. If at some point Jr. goes missing from Crystal’s home then I can assure you she will come into focus during the JR CASE….but until such time, I choose to focus on the HALEIGH CASE which took place AT RON’S HOUSE, WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND.
And I have stated NUMEROUS times before….I do NOT fault a parent if they take every precaution to protect their children….accidents happen, kids get hurt, and pedophiles will lure them, abduct them, assault them, etc…… BUT when a parent takes part in risky behavior which endangers their child then I DO have a problem with that. EXAMPLE: In one case you have a parent buying a trampoline for their child and sending them out to play on it…..one child falls off, breaks their arm….I do not fault the parent. In THIS case you have a parent buying their child a trampoline and setting it in the middle of a busy road, lighting it on fire, handing their child a fist full of sharp knives and sending them out to play on it and they DIE…..I DO fault the parent. It is apples and oranges m2c and surely even YOU can see that.
Good morning all,
No I didnt see that article, just read what you wrote ms.peridot19 . But for them to know all this time they shouldnt get no reduce time on their jail time. They did the crime now do the time. If it is correct she held onto this information all of them and I still believe Ron knew just on my opionons only they should all do jail time for lieing to the LE, lieing completely and not allowing this precious angel be found and either Alive, or have a proper burial place. I just hope none of them get off cause they are talking now.
I’ll be glad when this case is over with and is solved and Haleigh can have a proper burial place. And those who are responsible behind bars completely. Ron will have to live the rest of his life knowing what he did by neglecting his children, that will eat him. If he knows which I believe he does cause he married the girl, then all the other behavior with the headless rat, the road rage, the fights with Misty’s family. But to me all this time none of them have a heart it is cold and an ugly one.
Her brothers have children why couldnt they come forward. If they all acted afriad of Joe which I highly doubt it I think they were afraid of Ron thats my own OPINION. Look at what all he did. Just my thoughts and my opinion only. I know and understand we all have our own opinions in this matter which is good to have.
Ok, fingers being pointed to Joe okay now why cant they give him a LDT? I dont know who did it but those who knows should have came clean long time ago why take 14 months just to save their butts if they didnt have the drug charges against them all of them none of this would have came up so why now cause they want to save their butts.
Joe was given a LDT by the FBI over a year ago. I am still not so certain he did anything to her. I think it’s just the assholes with the last name of Croslin..I think the wives helped lie for the husbands.
RIP My sweet baby girl ♥
I too believe Croslins are a heartless group,,,from the grandma Flora to the scummy grandkids,,,Joe, Misty, and Tommy, Tmmy, and Hank sr and Lisa….I hope everyone remembers these people and if ever they find themselves their neghbors,,,to be on the look-out at all times….The Croslins will rob them blind…so much for living off the sweat and brow of others,,,gggeeessssshhhhhh……..I want to know WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS THAT WERE SAID TO BE ON THEIR WAY TO US, TO LISTEN TO, jAN ??????? bEfore all this went down, you sad you would put them up for us to see……..Every body wants to see these,,,,,please tell us where and when we can……
Does anyone know where LFlorida is?
Southernva – There are a limited number of hours in the day. Would you prefer that we render these tapes of phone calls from weeks ago or cover the breaking news aspects of this case?
I am sure that most people want the up to the moment coverage. I’d also like to point out that Jan is not involved with the DVD’s. It is a project that I and a friend of mine who is in the St Augustine area are working on, and I pulled him off the tapes to report from the scene of the search.
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