I had a feeling that this program was going to run ‘long’. Rather than the regular 90 minutes we decided to run a two hour program instead. We still managed to run out of time! Our focus was on three ongoing cases.
We started with Zachary Pittman, a missing 26 year old man who literally disappeared into thin air a year ago. On the program we mentioned that while we were on air Zach’s mother Christy Ragas and a group of volunteers were searching an area of the Honey Island Swamp area. That search, which included cadaver dogs and also a boat equipped with a side scan sonar came up empty handed. I am hoping that next week Christy will be able to join us on the program and give us a complete run down on what is happening with the case.
The Caylee Anthony case took an interesting turn this week. Somewhere in the region of 5000 pages of discovery were released. Among the items were a number of letters to and from Casey Anthony. They shed an interesting light on the dynamics within the Anthony family. Both Peter Hyatt and Dave Knechel had plenty to say on this subject. The transcript that I found of most interest was the interview with the Reverend Richard Grund. I have talked with Richard on several occasions, in fact more than once he has made appearances on our Sunday program. While he made no effort to disguise his disdain for the Anthony family I did not realize just how deep it went.
There has been little new information emerging in the Haleigh Cummings case this week, the only new news was that Tommy Croslin has been transferred to the Putnam jail facility pending sentencing.
This weeks panel consisted of Simon and Jan Barrett, crime writer Denny Griffin, Dave Knechel (AKA Marinade Dave), investigator Peter Hyatt, and my good buddy William Cobra Staubs.
If you missed the live program you can listen to the recording here. You will also get a free lesson on Iguana wrangling!
Simon and Jan Barrett
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You’re early, OJ!, lol
Really enjoyed the show, Simon and Jan. Thanks so much.
Oh, and..2nd!!!!!!!!!!LOL
Third!!!!!
4th!!! Good show Simon, Jan!
Morning everyone, any news today?
5th? Anyone still here? No news this week, I don’t imagine, but next week, BONANZA! Tommy sentencing on the 6th and Ron Trial starts the 9th, right?
ron won’t go to trial will he? His lawyer already offered up a plea deal. I think he pleads.
I think tommy gets sentenced to 15 yrs.
I think misty pleads out at the very last minute to save some years.
Imo
Ron’s lawyer offered the plea deal but it hasn’t been accepted; doesn’t that mean he goes to trial or even without a deal he will plead?
Jan and Simon,
Next time you speak to Cobra, or when he’s next on your show, please ask him how he thinks Casey Anthony “accidentally” wrapped THREE STRIPS OF DUCT TAPE tightly across Caylee’s mouth and nose.
He says he believes she killed the child “accidentally”. I really do want to know how that can be done with duct tape. “Let me put this on you, Darling, to see what happens. Oops! Sorry, Caylee, I didn’t realize you wouldn’t be able to breathe.”?
Great show otherwise.
Great show. I was glad to hear Cobra was getting some work, must have misunderstood tho at first, apparently he is still having trouble? I hope everything works out for him!
I wouldn’t be surprised if Peter is right about Casey being abused and it being a common factor in such cases. However, I couldn’t help wondering if maybe Casey might not be mad at George for not protecting her from Cindy and getting even with him? Just a thought.
Hello Gang!
What happened to the blog today?
Hi, everyone. Myrtle, re your post above, maybe the duct tape was placed post mortem?….
I just said what I did above because I am trying to explore alternative possibilities.
Lindsy has a new pic on her my space, looks like she is wearing a hefty bag.loljmo
Tobias, she looks a hot stanking mess in those lace leggings!!
And if the boyfriend loved the kid more than her?
Its strange how her appearance has changed so much since this all began. Before she looked like a nice girl who was a mom, now she is looking real trashy. Strange is all I can say. jmo
wow ,we are fixed,yippppppppy
Gone are the days of
“The TEFLON RON”
Myrtle said,in June 28th, 2010 at 3:31 pm Jan and Simon,
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What satan’s daughter did was no mistake,jmo
Cathy, I wonder if thats what Lindsy is gonna wear tomorrow when she goes to the meeting for the divorce? Talk about trashy, as in hefty bag.loljmo
ConRon,lol
Thes charges will stick.
If it looks like a trash bag,walks liike a trash bag,lol jmo Tobias
Her taste in clothes must reflect her taste in men also. I was hoping it would be better for the kids now that Tomy was in jail but I am starting to rethink that. jmo
HTH Could anybody think thats an accident,sheeeeeeeswh,I had faith in ya Cobra!lol
Ron will plead to all in hope of getting a concurrent sentence, imo.
HTH Could anybody think thats an accident,sheeeeeeeswh,I had faith in ya Cobra!lol
hmmmmm Tobias,Been going through some things,that make me curious about SB!
Steve Brown made the comment “You would never guess who did it”.
http://www.bloggernews.net/124340
Caylees death was no accident.
The only thing to be decided on Casey is life in prison or death.
Have you guys seen the letter from JO’S Sister,Kayla??
I don’t want death Jaba,even if its the only thing that did bring tears to caseys eyes,she needs to wake up daily to her new “Beautiful Life” she traded her own daughter for!jmo
just means she can get away with more Tobias….jmo
Note:
I had to re-enter my name and all before posting. It had cleared out somehow.
Not sure if anyone else had the same issue after the outage. Though I’d pass it on just in case.
Where is the letter from jos sister?
I did too Jaba,I been here typind testing 1 2 3 ,constantly today,lol
Here are Kayla’s own words in defense of her brother:
THE LETTER #1
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com
I am Joe Overstreet’s sister, granddaughter of Flora Hollars. Before yall go and start believing all these stories that Joe had something to do with Haleigh yall need to relize who’s stories has changed everytime they have talk to someone..Now my Grandmother want to get involved yall can’t believe her either she is just out to try and get some money out of people..She is already receiving money from alot of people in Florida that is the only reason she is talking..One minute she will tell Joe that she knows he didn’t do it then turn around and tell Misty and Tommy the same thing..Joe is innocent,he had nothing to do with this..He was on vacation and was planned to leave on Feb. 10 2009 just as he did.. He did not just up and leave he talk to the police before he left..Misty and Tommy and also my grandmother is crazy..Before the law believes anything that my grandmother Flora Hollars say they need to do a drug test on her to make sure she is not doped up and knows what she is talking about… She is only out to try and get a reward… She will change her story just as much as Tommy and Misty will..My brother was just in the wrong place at the wrong time..He is a good guy. Tommy and Misty just thinks they will get a plea if they try and blame it on someone else..And also if Tommy made the call to my Grandmother that him and Joe had done that to Haleigh why was that phone call not recorded all the rest of them are..I would not put it past my grandmother to make something like that up..She is a very selfish lady that is just out for money and attention…
I haven’t followed the CA case as closely and I am a little confused. It seems to me that I read somewhere that Casey is not his biological daughter? Does anyone have the straight on that?
did it post Tobias?
Alethea,he is,that was a rumor in the beginning! iirc
Thanks, Cathy Jo. I have to go now. Bye everyone.
yvw Alethea!
Hmmm,I made my nic CathyJo63SeesThruRon ,lol and it won’t allow it,why? anyone know,lol
Alethea,I followed it every single day till Haleigh which turned out to be the day we all said goodbye to little Caylee,her memorial?
hello??????? did bnn go down again,nothings posting?? less yall see sommin i don’t! lol
go out and come back in,brb lol
Dave Knechel said: Meanwhile, word just came awhisperin’ in my ear that Ronnie Boy was afixin’ to git bonded out when a man of the law, fed-style, said don’t do that quite yet. There’s more to this story than meets the eye. Take it or leave it.
http://marinadedave.wordpress.com
FACT: Tommy met for 2 plus hours in an interview with Jason Jolicoeiur, Special Agent, FDLE, Detective Peggy Cone, Putnam Co. Sheriff’s Office, under the guidance of Tommy’s Attorney James Werter, and Steven K. Brown (PI), Tommy took the group to the Shell Harbour Road boat ramp, St Johns River, Putnam County, Florida on Monday, April 12, 2010.
FACT: Attorney James Werter, who has since resigned from representing Tommy in the HaLeigh Case but still represents Tommy in his criminal drug cases.
A different source says: Authorities did recover 2 cinder blocks and rope.
FACT: Steven K. Brown, the private investigator (retired FBI), his stance is that Joe killed HaLeigh (raped). He met with Tommy on Monday.
Note: The fact that Misty and Tommy placed their own person at a crime scene, they will be arrested for murder unless a plea deal was struck. Even if they blame Crazy Cousin Joe. Rumor has it Tommy was given immunity.
The search in the Shell Harbour region of the St. Johns river has been completed. If Haleigh Cummings body was dumped in the area 14 months ago there would be little to locate her bones at this time. The St. Johns river is not fast flowing, but it is still moving water.
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Just found this stuff,i added a link so use your own judgements or take it with a grain of sandpaper!
Cathy, Misty stayed with the Overstreets from Michigan before she lived in Satsuma. Have you looked at the ones she stayed with? Gee what a bunch that is, Joshua Overstreet is a SO and is now in jail (look him up on the Michigan SO list and notice his tats Flora)
and Brandon Overstreet is also in prison. Lets you see how Misty can fool the cops, she has people who have taught her what to do. jmo
I wonder if its true that Haleighs hair was found in the yellow rope? I DO NOT KNOW BUT I READ IT,SO I AM ONLY ASKING?
YEA,Tobias,I know she did! and being with Ron helped too,lol jmo
Who’s the source for HC’s hair on rope?
Kayla’s letter was written directly after Gramma Hollers was on her interview road show…. gosh you would think Gramma had just opened a new movie i.e. Angelina Jolie, based on Gramma’s “press junket” and demand for appearances. I found her actions so very sad and again, the continuous D word, dysfunctional. Yet the media clamoured for her ever changing stories.
RE Casey Anthony, I agree, I think Cobra meant Casey accidently caused harm to Caylee and reacted originally as tho it was a mistake, and the tape was added to make it appear a stranger abduction?? If I am ever close to figuring out the Anthony family motives and mindset, it will be time to hang up my blogging keyboard!!
I thought Steve Brown said We would not be surprised who did it?
JABA,I said I read it,I was only asking if she heard about it,someone mentioned it on a diff article but i never found the reply?
Secours,exactly,I think the guys a nut,lol jmo
Jnet,I don’t buy a word from Flora,lol jmo
Jnet,I don’t buy a word from Flora,lol jmo
SEE JABA,
i Am askeert to even ask a question anymore,lol
CathyJo63 said,in June 28th, 2010 at 5:05 pm I wonder if its true that Haleighs hair was found in the yellow rope? I DO NOT KNOW BUT I READ IT,SO I AM ONLY ASKING?
Can someone post Lindsy’s facebook address?
Secours–I also thought Steve Brown (or maybe LE) said arrests/charges would be forthcoming in the next couple of weeks (this was during the last river search). I have not seen anything happen since the that search besides “clearing up” the rumor that the (Natve American) bone was not Haleigh’s. Who knows anything is all I can surmise.
Jnet,I swore to God almighty I’d never get involved after Caylee,look at me,since day one agaion still sitting here with the same ole expression,wth? jmo
And my question was what was the source? Read it where to be more specific, I guess?
robin,I say what you say on account of I can’t say it as well but I do mean it,rofl
its posted at my 4:42 Jaba,IIRC,Thats where i saw it??
I didnt hear anything about the hair. I think we can now mark the joe did it story off our list of lies Misty has told. Are there any more we are sure of being lies? Maybe we can reduce it to the truth? jmo
to be more specific that link,lol
Jo is about as guilty as I am…..jmo
Cobra raved about Hardy and LE and said he thought they may know but don’t have enough to prove their conclusion. So he says. We’ll see.
SB Worked for sheffs didn’t he?
He got all of us wound up like moo did and then notta,jmo
Well,I gotta be honest,if i was ran outta town i might say they did a good job too,might wanna visit one day….jmo
And heres another thing we have to question, if Joe didnt scrach the van who did? Timmy or Chelsea? It appears the story originated with them too. jmo
if its not Jbab,its the link after that i posted??
Ok, read it on that guys site. Got it.
If you remember Cobra told ron,he wanted to go by a bush there around a road near the mobile homee wasn’t it? he said it looked fitting,lol jmo thats when ron said they wouldnt allow misty to drive that van,and we all know she did plenty!
specific as it gets,Jaba,why i made certain it wasn’t misunderstood,shewwwwwwww lol
But i do agree,i think Chelsea got that one started,maybe even scratched it themselves,lol
they returned the van so?? jmo
just fit a plan they had?? jmo maybe
Ok cathy. Give me a minute to read and respond. It will save you some key strokes.
TexasMommy ,
Seemed to no SB wife at least thats who I assumed this women was. It wasn’t to long ago that a lady came on here and exchanged a few posts with TM. she talked as if she were SB wife. IIRC she said he had TB and that he had done all the work on the Haleigh case. TM and the lady exchanged a few posts.
Tm told her he would get better and thats about all I remember. Oh she did say that Jan and Simmon near her and new SB.
I can’t discount the Joe theory. First of all, he was a visitor to the Croslins at the time of Haleigh’s disappearance. Secondly, the argument with Ron over that gun makes him suspicious to me (not guilty but suspicious). In one of the jailhouse tapes with Tommy, Hank confronts Joe and Hank even states that Joe was crazy. Hank said Joe threatened Misty because of bringing Joe’s name into the investigation. We all look at his myspace page and see his comments. He might not be guilty of anything but being at the wrong place at the wrong time, but he deserves to be investigated, just like all the others. I would also like Chelsea, Timmy, and Lindsey investigated for what happened AFTER the fact. If the Croslins did it (killed Haleigh) then I would venture a bet that MOST of not ALL of them know. Misty would tell Chelsea and Timmy if she was indeed responsible. Just my opinion though.
If you would have listened to the radio shows it was reported that S.Brown has luekemia. He worked for Crystal in the beginning for 10 months. Dont know when he quit working for her but he still stayed on the case. jmo
is it possible to listen to your podcast on Stitcher on the iphone?
If there were hair in the ropes it still wouldn’t tie mc or tc or jo to it beyond a reasonable doubt unless they were all there and someone can make a deal to get off of their part. I think anything recovered has to have a strong witness of who put it in the water . I wouldn’t think you would have perp dna in water after all this time.
Jaba–unless they can tie that rope to the rope found at Tommy’s residence (if they found any).
Joe has been investigated several times from the very beginning. The FBI even spoke with him, I doubt very much he had anything to do with it. I do think he may actually have some info on what was going on down there though. We may see him being a witness if this ever goes to trial. jmo
sorry guys,My daughter is expecting anytime really,so I’m bak and fro………
Right Jaba,and technocally,ppl can plant things,I can’t believe a hair in the lake would stand up as solid?? jmo??
It just made me curious is all??
Cathy, My daughter turns 18 on the 8th. Wanted a 4 th baby but the doctor did the c-section on the 8th, no one wants to work on the holiday lol
True Robin,I gotcha but just imho I think they could have gotten JO by now if they wanted him?? jmo which isn’t much anyway,lol I mean they have his clothes,questioned him,he tool LD right? so i guess i am solid on him being the “scapegoat” if anything! jmo still tho
It might be a hard sell to a jury with just rope to rope connection but with other corroboration tc may get convicted of it.
If he gets charged, we’ll hear a lot more of what they have, as with anyone else charged. I’m just hoping they can charge someone that is guilty.
CathyJo,
I looked on the site you had posted about Ron and MDave and I didn’t find anything about Ron.
CathyJo,
I looked on the site you had posted about Ron and MDave and I didn’t find anything about Ron.
wow Tobias,omg 18 the hair pulling stage,lucky i have a twig left,lol j/k
I would have liked another,my dtr is 31 now but wasn’t medically good for me too so I didn’t chance it!
CathyJo,
I looked on the site you had posted about Ron and MDave and I didn’t find anything about Ron.
CathyJo,
I looked on the site you had posted about Ron and MDave and I didn’t find anything about Ron.
My dtr was born c-section too Tobias!
hm,You should have Cricket,theres alot of stuff,now as to where its true i can’t tell ya,lol Isn’t marinade dave the one who was in the middle of Bozo and Judge Strickland?
Great Letter. It’s good to hear another point of view. It really sounded authentic, raw
Anything new helps John,to me anyhoo,lol
yes ChathyJo it was Dave. But I don’t think Dave posts things hes not to sure of.
yes ChathyJo it was Dave. But I don’t think Dave posts things hes not to sure of.
Exactly Cricket,tho opinions vary,lol
If you look at the Myspaces for Joes sisters Kristy and Kayla, you will see they are really different from the rest of the family. Kayla especially. I find her letter believable, about Joe and her Grandma Hollars. Kayla is all about her kids and Husband.jmo
CJ.. Sometimes I am very gullable. I had concluded that Joe was guilty and already decided on life w/o parol
I don’t believe Joe did it either, but then again I don’t think any of the ones in jail are guilty besides the drug trafficking. I think very strongly that it was a neighborhood SO or one who has flown under LE’s radar. Though all have exhibited some bizarre and unexplainable behavior, I am not going to judge their guilt/innocence on that behavior. I like some solid forensic proof that they are guilty and I have yet to see that–not hair, clothing, body, or bones have been found that we know of. Actually we can not definitively proof that Haleigh is dead. JMO
LoL I actually never really thought he was involved,I don’t know why.I just didn’t,
Sure he look’s suspicious but I have a gnawing feeling he’d look suspicious eating a lollipop! LoL
Right Robin,Understand that!
But I believe theres one in jail guilty and one whose covering for that one…jmo?? mine only,lol
But I think we all get gullable a few times,lol
Cricket–The letter was posted on Marinade Dave’s site because I read it there when it first came out. I am with you John. I believed it was sincere too.
Ita, Robin.
Physical evidence is what I think I’d rely on if on this jury. Too many liars to believe statements, espeicially if one or more of their asses is on the hook for something.
My juice just went off,shut everything down,lol
Its coming a storm!
If LE has witnesses to call I would think they woulld be people who have never talked on the media, like the AC guy and some of Rons fellow employees since not a one of these people spoke with the press. jmo
Jaba–I agree too. I believe a jury will convict on this case whether it be Tommy or Misty on pure emotion. The media saturation has been antiCroslin since the beginning. I would hope a jury would consider only the evidence, but I believe it would be hard to separate what they have read and heard (which people like that shouldn’t be on a jury anyways) from the actual evidence. I wonder if they would even get a fair trial–definately not in the county they live in–in the state of Florida. It would be hard to find a jury that has not heard of this case. JMO
Was gonna try to stay but i’d better not,OMG Terrible storm,Lightning hits the flyin’ Jenny I am finished,LoL BBVS
BE SAFE GUYS BB!
I heard about Joe from:
1. Chelsea Croslin
2. Flo Hollars
3. Tommy Croslin
4. Misty Croslin
How could this happen?
John–Consider the sources. Misty and Tommy have been in LE’s sights for a while now. They are incarcerated and need a scapegoat to maybe win a plea deal. Chelsea has tried to make money/car off this case. Flo Hollars has been on Nancy Grace (enough for me) and has had several different versions to tell. What her motivations are I will not mention. But all of these people have an agenda–and none have been about finding Haleigh. Its been about cash, media attention, or saving their own necks. That is just my opinion though.
Robin,
Even if folks know of the case in another county, I think, from a big pool of prospects, find 12 people who can look at facts even if they know of the case. They only need 1 jury member who sees it for the defendant to stall this thing but good.
I know alot of people who never watch TV and are too busy working to even keep up with general info. It wont be hard since this case hasnt been in the media since April. jmo
Robin… I don’t know if I agree with you or not, I’ll have to think about it. But well said.
Jaba–This case has turned me into a cynic. I am skeptical and a little wary if this case will ever see a resolution or get to trial. I know you can prosecute without a body but I believe that is going to be a tough hurdle to overcome in my opinion. A defense lawyer would only have to play Marie Griffis’s rantings early on (like someone transporting Haleigh to Georgia or Alabama) or even Kim Picazio’s dirty tricks (media/blog assassinations of Ron and Misty) to at least stir up some reasonable doubt. I just hope LE does get the right person–no matter who it is–and they have the evidence–forensic evidence–to prove it. I also hope they find Haleigh–if not people will always be saying “what if…”
Tobias–The drug sentencing/trials have been reported in the newspapers in Florida and probably on the television (local news stations) and I would venture to bet that Haleigh gets brought up during that reporting. Just because Nancy Grace does not bring it up or report it, doesn’t mean local news tv stations or newspapers don’t. Didn’t Hank do an interview not too long ago? I hope WHOEVER gets charged gets a fair trial, so they do not walk years down the road on a technicality. I want No ifs, ands, or buts when it comes down to a trial.I want whomever harmed this child, be it Ron, Misty, Tommy, an SO, or a total stranger to get the punishment they deserve. JMO
tobias said,in June 28th, 2010 at 3:58 pm Lindsy has a new pic on her my space, looks like she is wearing a hefty bag.loljmo
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OJ–Do you have the link to Lindsey’s facebook page? I am dying to see what she is wearing now.
Robin: That’s exactly why I don’t under stand tommy’s plea with no deal. The police and prosecutors are going to punish him for giving them misleading and incomplete information.
hello everyone… Happy Monday evening!!!!
could someone please tell me how to find Lindsy on Facebook or Myspace? name spelling? Please and thanks…
Lindsy LPN on myspace.
hey, thanks tobias….
tobias.. I must be slow.. I still can’t pull it up??
YW,Makes ya wonder why she would post pics like that right before a meeting to get a divorce. Everyone thought she was geting the raw deal being with Tomy but now everyone is beginning to think she is a skank.lol jmo
Go to my space and put in her name Lindsy LPN.
leave the space like that? Lindsy LPN?
John–I don’t know what LE would do with Tommy–who by the way has not been the only liar in this case–if they found out he was misleading them. It seems they would be charging quite a few people for lying or obstructing justice, not to mention hindering the investigation. But then I have to question LE for conducting an expensive search on the words of a reputed liar. He recanted early on about his whereabouts (was he at the MH or not) on the night Haleigh went missing. Also I believe if LE interrogates someone long enough and hard enough–pressure them–then you will probably hear what you want to hear. This case has been one long road of LIES, in my opinion, and I believe LE has contributed to some of those lies.
thanks.. I spelled it LYNDSY…
CathyJo63 said,in June 28th, 2010 at 6:00 pm My dtr was born c-section too Tobias!
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OMG!..TMI!
Oj,why is it too much info,lol Tobias said the same thing,lol
Amen Robin!!!
Oh well,Trash bag is right,lol Holds trash! rofl
Linsy trashbag,casey flag! hmmmmmm
OJ- I think you caused the system to go down! You forgot to say that MISTY is INNOCENT and the system was shocked! lol
rofl@Alex,he’s let Misty down,lol
My son was born via C-section too.
so did Lindsy take back her maiden name already?
Cathy maybe Oj still believes in the stork, we better be careful he may need therapy.loljmo
That doesn’t even look like Lindsy’s face on the Lindsy LPN myspace. Are you sure that is her?
Adams,when Ota had Dakota and he weighed 9lbs?
Oh how Thankful I was,LoL For a c-section! lol
I was in the delivery room with her,omgggggg
Robin – Tommy thinks he’s going to get 3 years which is the maximum minimum (what ever that means.) I have further understood that he might get ten or even 30 years.
Tommy should be worried the judge may decide to punish him for lying.
I don’t want to see him lose too much of his youth because of this.
rofl Tobias! OJ must be in a coma cause he ain’t defending Misty,lol
She has had that space for ever and her hair is staightened. Its her look at the tat on her foot and the watch.jmo
Lady,thats what I thought,honestly…….I know she”s been working out but dang!!lol
Man sakes alive Tobias,she was ready to break out wasn’t she? jmo lol
But the eyes and face look nothing like Lindsy.
Gosh,I bet Tommys fit to be tied,wheww,lol
OJ, Breath just breath, someone get him a drink of water. We should all know men cant take pain or even the thought of pain. lol
If men had to have babies we’d all be fossils,cause there’d have been no kids!!!!!!and we’d have long been gone,lol
Lets compare how many staples we had and he may need SPR. lol
OOPS cpr.
John–I think for the drug charges he is looking at 3 yrs min and 30 yrs maximum. I believe it is all up to the judge’s discretion (if I understand correctly). Tommy (in my opinion) has not put himself in a good light. He has a rap sheet that isn’t pretty at all. Its going to be interesting what he gets. JMO
Hey,cs knows cpr,we will have to get her to bring him back too!! lol
staples ain’t no doggone vacation,I tell ya! lol
When I had my daughter they waited too long to do a c-section, won’t go into all the gory details but they stopped counting at 300 stitches.
OM DEAR GOD Lady!!!!!
OUUUUUCCCHHHHH!!
Needless to say she is an only child, LOL.
I had a 4hr ride ahead of me,after my dr wouldn’t deliver her because my pacemaker,back then it was in my stomach!!
CathyJo- Or maybe Lindsy. Though she may give him a little more to get his heart going!
Mine too Lady!
I’d say that would do it for both of em,rofl Alex!
Okay, OJ WE ARE JUST KIDDING WITH YA REALLY OUR KIDS WERE BROUGHT BY THE SORK AND LEFT UNDER CABBAGE LEAVES FOR US TO FIND. LOL
cOME BACK AND TALK SO WE KNOW YOU ARE OKAY.JMO
I understood that you can’t get in trouble for telling the police lies. It is only if you are sworn in during a deposition or a court testimony that you can get in trouble.
People lie to the police all the time and are under no obligation to tell them anything. The burden is not on them to provide the police with the facts and information.
If that was true about having to tell the truth, more people would be in jail than are out. lol.
Also, that family has something with the Number 3, eh?
Tobias,You’ve heard the phrase,were you born in a barn”? I love it when ppl ask me that,Cause I can say…”Yes,I was”
I was born during an eath quake in lawton OKLA in June 1959. My mom says the lights went out the room shook and there I was.lol
JenM- I think they can get them for obstruction of justice but boy there would be a lot of people in prison if they did that!
Months ago, I wrote on the comments, that I wished that PCSO would just go after the Croslins with everything they had, just to tear them up in investigating.. And when they finally did and ran into a major dead end.. Where would they go?? I’m wondering now, where is PCSO going next?
Anyway, I wanted to share something that I went through the other night.. First of all, I want to explain to you the difference between the “Letter of the Law” and the “Spirit of the Law”.. When Law Enforcement Officers go by the Letter of the Law, they are following the book right to the last word.. No variance.. When following the Spirit you use your judgment and common sense in determining the action you need to take. If any at all..
The other night, I watched a movie, that I’m sure that I’ve seen before, and it didn’t seem to leave an impact in the past that it did the other night.. The movie is called “Gone Baby Gone”.. The movie begins with a child taken from her Bed.. it flows through confusion and lack of evidence, and deals with issues of Child molesters.. and through the investigation, it is believed the child was taken by a drug dealer over money owed.. Thats when it began to catch my eye.. followed through where the child is believed to be drowned in a bungled issue trying to retrieve her.. and they did have a Memorial.. The dedicated PI involved in the case, began to put pieces together, and the puzzle began to make sense.. The PI finds the little Girl.. and this is where my heart began to ache..
This precious little girl comes running out the door into the arms of the man who has been taking care of her, along with his wife.. The child is happy, she’s loved and cared for..
The PI has a choice to make, to follow the letter of the law.. or the spirit of the law.. and he is so dedicated to the written law, his decision to return this precious child back to a mother, who because she is the bio mom, deserves her child back!!! Although, she’s involved in drugs, she stole drug money, she would leave the child at home alone, had left her at one point in the car at the beach, and the child came very close to dying..
For some reason, this clicked with Haleigh.. What if Haleigh is alive and well, and all know that I do believe she is.. What if she were being raised right now by a couple who love her and she’s happy and content with her new life.. She actually has a chance of growing up away from the drug invested lifestyle she was born into.. torn between two parents who are equally as bad in the drug world.. The question I ask myself, If I found Haleigh.. What would I do?? And I know the answer.. What would any of you do? Would you bust your butts to return her into the muck of Putnam County or Baker County? Or would you leave her and walk away?
3:27 actually Jen,lol
I think all we do have nailed down is that he left the mh around 4pm and returned (possibly not for the first time) just before 3:30am. I’m in somewhat of a quandary here trying to decide which is the more authoritative source for travel information, RC’s attorney Terry Shoemaker, or MapQuest.com.
Shoemaker says 19 minutes…..MapQuest says 27 minutes (Total Travel Estimate: 27 minutes / 16.67 miles)
According to Shoemaker, RC diligently worked THREE additional hours to finally get off work at 3:00 am. Then:
Quote:
(1) 27 minutes (or 19, take your pick) for the drive from PDM to Green Drive
PLUS
(2) 2 minutes for a 2 mile detour to the Satsuma Handy Way
PLUS
(3) 5 minutes for a beer, cigarettes, and peanuts shopping extravaganza
PLUS
(4) 2 minutes for the return leg of the shopping detour back to Buffalo Bluff
PLUS
(5) 5 minutes for a hasty, albeit, thorough search of the residence prior to the 911 call
Total Time: 41 minutes (or 33 minutes, take your pick)
The story being presented by Shoemaker says RC was at work until 3:00 am. How was he home at 3:27 am to TELL MC to call 911? Do attorney’s not know how to add?
I had not seen the 27 minutes according to MapQuest. It’s almost as if TS looked up that info before deciding when RC left work. I mean, is it just a coincidence MapQuest says it’s a 27 minute trip and TS states RC worked late until 3, arriving home at 3:27? A little too perfect, if you ask me. Then, of course to add in the additional stop<……….327 WOW
hi Alex, CJ, and LadyS…..
Tobias,
I lived in okc for 8 years. Been to lawton a few times.
Lived in Stillwater as well. I have fond memories on OK. 🙂
Heya ILoves!!
A broad area (approximately 31,000 square kilometers) of southwestern Oklahoma and the adjacent portion of Texas was affected by an early morning shock on June 17, 1959. Slight damage, consisting of cracks in plaster, pavement, and a house foundation (VI), occurred at Cache, Duncan, and Lawton. Houses were shaken, buildings swayed, and many persons were alarmed. A smaller earthquake on June 15 was felt by many at Ada and nearby places. Dishes were reported broken (V) and a trembling motion was observed.
I always wonder how I will go out lol.
what jail is Misty in?? (totally forgot…)
came in with a bang didn’t ya Tobias,Why am I not surprised,lol
I’d leave her be Mlee?? jmo
Hi, ILTSM!
Better than a in the middle of a tornado, you may have gotten lost. 🙂
I would love to go back there but my hubby is an only child with an aging mother so we are not able to leave the area. I am in the noth east. I was born on Fort Sill my dad was in the Army.
dtr phone,brb
Gen m – In many jurisdictions there is a charge called obstruction of justce. I have also heard of hindering a investigation. These charges do involve lying to police, but I don’t know under what cirumstances
Misty is in St. Johns in St. Augustine.
????? anyone??? what is the name of the jail Misty is in??
I do not mean any disrespect to Mr. Brown, and I am so sorry he is ill will cancer, a very hideous disease. However, I think people are only talking about his local TV interview he gave around the time TC and MC were taken to the boat ramp/dock. He did say he had solved the case and the responsible person would be arrested “in the next few days”. It is no different than we have heard numerous times from experts, “the case will be solved in the very near future”. I doubt anyone meant their words to be negative of SB, however it was his story he chose to tell and many assumed it was the final chapter. Unfortunately we have many outside of LE that have claimed or projected “I see an end soon” and I seriously doubt anyone is in a position to make such claims.
My dad was stationed at fort sill before I was born. I’ll ask him this weekend what year that was.
I stay in this area for my folks, no question. They’d never leave my side if something healthwise happened and at their age, and an only child, I want to be their for them if needed.
thanks Tobias…
and jaba…. love your family dedication…. hugs!!!
iloves, Misty is in St. Johns County Detention Center in St. Augustine. Website is http://www.sjso.org
Cathy I have thought that over a lot too, and yes I would leave her there. She deserves the chance at life without the drugs and from what we have uncovered most didnt deserve to have her. jmo
I just went an took another look at Misty’s booking photo, now I know why she keeps her hair long — she has Tommy’s ears 😮
Ils,
That’s a great word for it. Its not duty or obligation or no one else around so its me thing, its dedication. Thanks for putting it that way. I appreciate it. I know my parents would do anything for me, within reason-my dad aint covering up a murder for me- but you know what I mean, both parents in your corner and a ww2/korea/viet nam vet with a guard dog mentality. It rubs off. Lucky mom had compassion, some rubbed off their too.
That’s very admirable, jaba!
My dads service, to me, yes, family matters-non negotiable.
Ty for the thought. I appreciate it. 🙂
Goodnight everyone talk at ya tomorrow, hope there is some news.
Yep, I made a promise to my father I’d never put him in a nursing home and kept my word; he had alzheimers and it got really tough at times, but I was in it for the long haul, so I know what you mean.
Did we lose our OJ in the previous conversation that was TMI? LOL
Come back out now OJ! I know you can handle it!
Night, tobias. Praying for news too!
Well, it is getting late in the Sunshine State and 5:30 am comes way too early. Night, all.
It is that kind of “reasoning” that are the cause of innocent children and babies being taken from their third world countries and given to loving families in the western world.
It is SO wrong on so many levels.
How can anybody believe that Haleigh deserves to never know who she is, to never see her baby brother and sister again, to never see her school friends again, to live the rest of her life in a lie?
Believing that it is okay to give less fortunate children better lives at any cost is not the answer. The answer lies in the community that these children live in stepping up and making sure they are well cared for.
THE BLACK MARKETING OF CHILDREN IS NEVER OKAY!
2 minutes for a 2 mile detour to the Satsuma Handy Way
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that is not the store he stopped at that night. He stopped at the one not far from where he worked, not Satsuma.
ron passed the turnoff to his house to go to the kangaroo 2 miles down the road. iirc
WhyLie–I agree with your 9:20 post.
This is the one he stopped at
Kangaroo Express
543 S Us Highway 17
San Mateo, Florida
which might have been a Handy Mart back then since Kangaroo bought out a lot of their stores.
I would definitely call the law. It’s not our right to be judge or jury or play God and decided who should be with whom. I doubt seriously if Haleigh is with someone else she is happy. Why would she be happy being taken from the only people she’s known her whole life? The person that turns around and walks away is no better than the kidnappers that took her, I don’t care who took her, they kidnapped her.
Ron leaves work at 3a.m. gets home and calls 911 at 3:27 a.m. Teresa gets a call after this, lives 15 miles away, almost same distance as Ron when he drives from work. She had to be going 180 mph to get to his house in 5 minutes, unless she was at her mothers house.
I can almost bet my house and bank account on who was behind this. Ron had too many enemies in the days leading leading up to this tragedy. Ron said the word ‘them’, more than 1 person. Annette Sykes mentioned ‘they took her’. Bet there was a threat in the days before and someone made good on that threat, but I don’t think the little girl was hurt, just taken.
she arrived after the cops so it took her longer than 5 minutes since it took the cops longer than that to arrive.
This is a dead horse, but why is it that we saw Chelsea on tv yakking about the van, her van, the scratch, the van being moved, the LE coming to tow it when it actually belonged to Lindsy? Listen to the news report about it again. Chelsea didn’t say Misty called her, that was an insert by the reporter. Why and how did the van get over to Chelsea’s and she’s got the key, How did Tommy see anything in the back of the van the same night in his area which is about 2 miles away from Chelsea’s? Put the timeline together. Who had the van all day? Chelsea? Didn’t she say she saw Ron whizzing past her? Didn’t someone say Misty was driving to the grandmothers or picking them up at the school bus stop? So how did it get from Chelsea’s house over to Tommy’s, over to Misty’s and back over to Chelsea’s? Joe wasn’t staying with her, it was someone else who wasn’t involved.
LadyDay–Who do you think took Haleigh?
VQ,
you always say important things,no spin on it, you just put it plain and simple.
Cricket said,
in June 28th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
VQ,
you always say important things,no spin on it, you just put it plain and simple.
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Thanks, the truth never has to be spun 😉
VQ,
the reason I asked you the other day if you lived in FL. is because you seem to no all the address’s, Plus you share a lot of information. I guess you have good computer skill.
LadySadie,
Can you please tell me how I find Misty on that site , I couldn’t find her.
Somebody outside the ones in jail. Somebody who hasn’t been arrested.
Cricket- It’s Misty Cummings
vaquera said,in June 28th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
So you’re saying Druggies and dealers are good parenting,imho Haleigh and Jr are just like Misty and the rest,Never had a chance! but jmo
And it’s pretty obvious to me,Ron all but admitted straight up he abused her?? I whip my child the way dcs tells me I can,She and I have an agreement?? jmo tho
Thanks, Vaquera. Hard to keep up when there is various opinions out there that LE was at Tommy’s and went right over to Ron’s when that call came in. 2:15, 3:27 recording of 1 911 call, no proof of the 1st 911 call, if there was one.
I’m not trying to be funny or smart about who I think did this, don’t want to be sued or anything.
LadyDay–I don’t think the ones in jail are responsible either. But who would keep this child unhurt for 16 months, unless it was family?
LadyDay,TN is the one herself who said she made it 3-5 minutes!
I don’t understand how some think it is okay to lock people up and throw away the key for selling and buying drugs among consenting adults, after all they broke the law, but think it is okay for somebody to keep hidden a kidnapped child just because they think the child would be better off living with kidnappers. That makes no sense to me.
I can’t speak for anybody but me WhyLie,lol
But if family had her to protect her,wouldn’t bother me a bit,but strangers it certainly would!!!!!!!!! They may be no better than anybody else in the mix of all this!
But if she is alive I pray someone did it to save her from something? jmo
given the things That we have HEARD lately I am saying!
CJ I also hope that somebody took Haleigh and she is still alive, but knowing what we know about the families I doubt she would have been taken to protect her. She would have been taken out of hate and revenge. And if per chance she was taken for her own protection that does not make it right and it does not mean that those that committed the crime should go unpunished.
WhyLie–I totally agree with you.
For some reason, this clicked with Haleigh.. What if Haleigh is alive and well, and all know that I do believe she is.. What if she were being raised right now by a couple who love her and she’s happy and content with her new life.. She actually has a chance of growing up away from the drug invested lifestyle she was born into.. torn between two parents who are equally as bad in the drug world.. The question I ask myself, If I found Haleigh.. What would I do?? And I know the answer.. What would any of you do? Would you bust your butts to return her into the muck of Putnam County or Baker County? Or would you leave her and walk away?
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Lookinng,I see what you’re saying,I do but the ? I answered was this one which sounds like a fairy tale compared to what we have learned,Myself as an adoptee can say Thank God I was given to someone who would care for me when my own family refused to be parents! jmo
robin said,in June 28th, 2010 at 10:47 pm LadyDay–I don’t think the ones in jail are responsible either. But who would keep this child unhurt for 16 months, unless it was family?
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Right,so if she is,lets pray it was family! jmo
In all honesty,I just don’t see cs caring enough?? jmo
Thank God your parents had the right to make that choice and did not have somebody come in and decide it for them by kidnapping you and giving you to just anybody.
That is the difference. Haleigh’s parents were not the ones to make the choice. And that is wrong.
I do not think Ron abused Haleigh (just my opinion though). When Kim P came out with those abuse allegations, the prior abuse would have come out too. When Ron got custody of the children, I would imagine they offered or maybe even ordered parenting classes. This class probably discussed the proper way to discipline children. This is just my opinion though.
Right,I agree there Whylie!!
Mind you?? 3 weeks ago I would have never said I’d leave her there,believe me!
Certain things just came up and rumor or fact i havn’t a clue?? But just from what I have seen and Heard,I do wonder!
right Robin,LoL We can agree to disagree,lol but jmo too,like you! lol
WhyLie- Have you ever heard of the Elizabeth Morgan Case? That was a mother who spent around two years in jail for contempt of court charges for refusing to tell where her daughter was. It took an Act of Congress to free her and then her ex-husband sued to get it overturned. Luckily our courts were slow & their daughter turned 21 before it was overturned. Because of the sexual abuse she did not want to see ger father, She had been living in ahother country with relatives if I remember correctly!
Suo it is possibly some family member took Haleigh and she may be happy where she’s at!
I just can’t believe she’s never been found,and at the same time,I don’t like saying it but how could she be hidden so well if she isn’t alive,without one clue or anything!
not even sure I worded that correctly!
I am just afraid too Whylie,that what if she is alive or was for a time but b/c of the chance of being caught someone would do something bad? just never know with this bunch! jmo
CathyJo- where any of the cast of characters followed by LE in the days after Haleigh went missing!
CathyJo63 said,
in June 28th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
vaquera said,in June 28th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
So you’re saying Druggies and dealers are good parenting,imho Haleigh and Jr are just like Misty and the rest,Never had a chance! but jmo
And it’s pretty obvious to me,Ron all but admitted straight up he abused her?? I whip my child the way dcs tells me I can,She and I have an agreement?? jmo tho
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If you took the kids away from everyone who took pain meds for chronic pain, xanax/zoloft or whatever for depression, ambien to go to sleep, psych meds for mental illness,alcoholics and those that take the same drugs except without a prescription there wouldn’t be many children being raised by their parents. only different is one has a prescription and one doesn’t.
Nothing wrong with spanking or whipping as we call it in the south. I got my licks growing up and so did my kids and I wasn’t abused and neither were my kids.
some people go to extremes!
Alexandria–Thanks for the case. I never heard of that case before. It is interesting for sure. But I do think of Jr and what he must be going through without his sister and probably wondering what happened. He is an innocent in all this too. If family did take her for the reasons you mentioned in the Morgan case, why did they leave Jr in that environment for so long afterwards? That’s one reason I would question the motives of family taking her. It would be revenge and not abuse if the Sheffields took her.
If they were I never heard it Alex? as fact??
Alex, cases like that are very tuff. The problem is that often times divorcing spouse accuse the other parent of abuse. It is not uncommon and it is not always true. While the laws don’t always work in every case, it is all we have to help protect parents who are wrongfully accused and to protect the children who have a right to have the parent in their life.
but one would think,why do a fake search?
kinda bothers me!!
robin said,
in June 28th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
I do not think Ron abused Haleigh (just my opinion though). When Kim P came out with those abuse allegations, the prior abuse would have come out too. When Ron got custody of the children, I would imagine they offered or maybe even ordered parenting classes. This class probably discussed the proper way to discipline children. This is just my opinion though.
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It is Florida law, both Ron and Crystal would have had to attend a DCF approved parenting class and yes discipline would have been covered in that class, as well as the importance of financially supporting your children.
I think it is out of state family member that has her and I think Ron and his family maybe knew there was a threat of some kind looming. How long did it take Crystal to go over to Satsuma? I heard it was 8 hours and she lived 70 miles away and said she was afraid of Ron? She had her children every weekend or every other weekend? Couldn’t have been that afraid. What was her excuse for not having the children that weekend?
The elder Croslins can be exnayed from this, they probably did care for her, who wouldn’t? but they are not blood related, no dog in the fight.
I’ll put on my big girl panties tomorrow and try to word it as not to get into a problem. One time I had only 1 idea who did this, it turned into 4 and now it’s down to 2.
Oh Lord Robin,he lost his dad,his sissy, babysitter,his home,his other Grandma,God Bless his little Heart!!jmo
CJ I pray every day that it was a family member that took Haleigh. I hate to think of what happened to that baby if it was TC that took her.
yes,it took her 8 hrs,Marie G gave cs’ boyfriend an alibi?? for what i dunno!
they sure had motive!
I think Ellen was about 11 when it happened & there was documentation of the injuries to her! The judge still felt that the father should have unsupervised visits! It was a sad case in the late 1980’s.
But what do you think about the Caylee case. Do you think she would not have been better off if Grandma Plesea had taken her?
I share the feeling WhyLie! anybody else too really, if it wasn’t Tommy!
All I know,or think rather is its one heck of a story…….just the way everybody has covered up,imo its gotta be bad!!
LadyDay said,
in June 28th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
I think it is out of state family member that has her and I think Ron and his family maybe knew there was a threat of some kind looming. How long did it take Crystal to go over to Satsuma? I heard it was 8 hours and she lived 70 miles away and said she was afraid of Ron? She had her children every weekend or every other weekend? Couldn’t have been that afraid. What was her excuse for not having the children that weekend?
The elder Croslins can be exnayed from this, they probably did care for her, who wouldn’t? but they are not blood related, no dog in the fight.
I’ll put on my big girl panties tomorrow and try to word it as not to get into a problem. One time I had only 1 idea who did this, it turned into 4 and now it’s down to 2.
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I will try this again since the last one was blank.LOL
Crystal got the call at 3:49/she called Marie at 5/they then called Johnny to go over to Ron’s. Marie and Crystal finally showed up around 11. There is a video out there of when Ron talked to the press after they first arrived.Amber Alert when out at 10 and the press arrived around 11.The video shows Marie just getting to Ron’s and hugging him.
Abductions of a child have long lasting effects.
Removing children from their family is a last resort. There are studys and statistics that show it is best to keep the children with their mother or father if at all possible. This is why we have the courts and social services and resources, to help those parents and children.
I said in many posts before that there are people who think they are doing this child a favor, or are getting justice, by taking her away from her father. We may not like the situations that these children are in, but no one has the right to take a child. That is kidnapping and I would never condone such an act. It is a felony.
It is considered a felony kidnapping for a parent to take a child out of state without the other parents permission when they share custody. So, weigh that against some relative coming to your home in the middle of the night and taking you out of your bed, never to see your family again, all because in their mind, that is what is best for you.
If this is what happened, I hope they keep sentenced to LWOP! I know a few young people that I think their kids deserve a better life, but I have no right to judge that and I have no right to say who and who can’t have their own child, especially because of my opinion of them.
Haleigh did not look neglected to me. She had plenty of family that loved her.
Anyway, those are my thoughts.
LOL, reading the posts about OKLA. I lived in Lawton Ok. for 4 years. I worked as a tech at Reynolds Army Hospital on Ft. Sill. I lived in a little duplex between Lawton Blvd. and Gore Blvd. This was in 73. Small world.
Alex,I blame SINdy alot too,She should have let casey make the choice to keep Caylee or not?
Or why not when Caylee was born,adopt her themselves which wouldn’t have been any better imo,but to make someone keep a child is wrong,and now they can see it I bet! jmo
Alex, imo children who have been abused, neglected, murdered by a family member would be/ have been better off in a different home BUT kidnapping them is not the answer.
I also pray that it was a family member too. That way at least Haleigh is alive and taken care of.
casey was young and wild,but to be fair,Cindy made her do what she didn’t want to do!Keep Caylee? jmo
WhyLie- I know kidnapping is wrong but leaving a child with Casey also was wrong. Caylee looked like a happy child with family who loved her but what did that get her?
Exactly Alex,it got her the death penalty that casey is so afraid of for herself!!! jmo
I look at pictures of Caylee and I see a sadness in her eyes. I look at pictures of Haleigh with her ear to ear smile and a sparkle in her eyes. I see a big difference between the two.
What was wrong was Cindy forcing Casey to be a mother when she did not want to be. Casey wanted to party, Cindy knew it, and instead of protecting Caylee, Cindy forced Casey to take Caylee with her.
CathyJo- there were many times when Cindy said she would seek custody at that point Casey should have said “Go for it!”. But I think there was a revenge Motive there.
Casey is Mommy Dearest
Ron is Daddy Dearest
IMO
exactly right Alex,she hates Cindy,and would have done anything before she’d have let Sindy raise her!
I don’t see that Casey and Ron are the same at all. Casey looked her baby in the eyes and watched the life drain out of her at her own hands. I do not for a second believe that Ron did or could do that to Haleigh.
WhyLie said,
in June 28th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
I look at pictures of Caylee and I see a sadness in her eyes. I look at pictures of Haleigh with her ear to ear smile and a sparkle in her eyes. I see a big difference between the two.
What was wrong was Cindy forcing Casey to be a mother when she did not want to be. Casey wanted to party, Cindy knew it, and instead of protecting Caylee, Cindy forced Casey to take Caylee with her.
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Me too. Caylee had the most sad eyes I’ve ever seen and of course that poor baby had those dark circles under her eyes.
WhyLie- I haven’t seen as many pictures of Haleigh ( maybe Ron didn’t have too many & that’s why TN had to bring one over)as I have of Caylee. But I saw a sparkle in her eyes too in some of the pictures and how she sang to her great grandpa and her concern about him asking him if he was tired! She showed her love!
Casey was a legal adult when she had Caylee. No one could force her to raise a baby if she didn’t want too.
are you asking me whats wrong with it WhyLie,if it is.lol I see everything wrong with it,You can’t force someone to keep what they don’t want,b/c look what happens.jmo
Sindy was overbearing,casey even said in the interrogation that she always worried about disappointing Sindy……jmo who she was most afraid of basically,casey wanted to party but Sindy made her come home each night when she went out and wanted to party! jmo
Vaquera-I totally agree!!!!!!!
are you asking me whats wrong with it WhyLie,if it is.lol I see everything wrong with it,You can’t force someone to keep what they don’t want,b/c look what happens.jmo
Sindy was overbearing,casey even said in the interrogation that she always worried about disappointing Sindy……jmo who she was most afraid of basically,casey wanted to party but Sindy made her come home each night when she went out and wanted to party! jmo
They can if they’re afraid of their mother Vaq! jmo
didn’t you hear them say she wanted to adopt Caylee out and Cindy went off!!!!!!!!
Oh my gosh Alex there are lots of pictures of Haleigh and Ron together. Not posed pictures, pictures of Ron playing with her, taking her fishing, taking her to the bus on her first day of school, pics of Haleigh painting Ron’s toenails, Ron giving her her breathing treatments, holding her while she slept on his chest. Lots and lots of pics out there of Haleigh.
she feared being an unfit person or mother in Sindy’S eyes…jmo!
CJ, no not asking what was wrong, stating that it was wrong for Cindy to force Casey to take Caylee with her when she wanted to party. Cindy should have been protecting Caylee since Cindy knew Casey better then anybody.
probably thousand of pix of Haleigh and Ron online and even I have to admit,both always smiling from ear to ear! jmo
TY WhyLie,I am a slow cather on er,lol
i speak a different language,thought you were asking,lol
Casey had another option- she could have told who the father was! I don’t beleive it was the young man who died but even if it was, he didn’t die until Caylee was two so why didn’t Casey have him share the responsibility? I think Casey was playing her mom for whatever reason and Caylee was the game piece in the drama. Casey didn’t want anyone to have Caylee because it was the one possession that was truly hers!
I too, see sadness in Caylee’s eyes.
We got a grandma who got to Ron’s in breakneck speed, she did say 3 to 5 minutes, could have been 15 minutes, but she was following behind a squad car upon arrival, we got Chelsea who lives 2 miles away and got there in 3 hours, we got Crystal and family down there in the daytime from 70 miles away. What in hellfire is wrong with this picture?
so true Whylie,so true!!!!
Vaq,if you recall Sindy and George took Casey to an attorney when Caylee was born,to sign papers so the father could never take her away or whatever the nuts said? jmo
It seemed to me (just my opinion though) that Casey was looking for an excuse (she wanted to give up Caylee) to justify why she killed her own daughter. She has NEVER taken any responsibility for her bad behaviors and her parents never made her. Like vaquera stated Casey was at the age that if she wanted to give up Caylee then she could have. It was only HER decision not Cindy’s to make. Casey made the most selfish decision in killing her own child and I hope she gets the death penalty for it. JMO
sorry but ROFL LadyDay!!!
Amen to ya!!!!! Now that puts the cheese on the cracker,gr888 point! jmo
Robin,Cindy is the devil in disguise,And no doubt casey knew if she did,her money would be cut off!
Exactly CathyJo- Casey was too lazy to work for a living and Caylee was her meal ticket!
Thats why imho,casey was jealous Caylee got more than she did from them when she came along! jealousy played a huge part,imo
CathyJo- ITA
Casey and Cindy used Caylee to try and control each other. But Cindy was the grandmother, she knew what Casey was, she knew that Caylee would not be safe with Casey, and Cindy’s priority should have been to protect Caylee, not to try and mold Casey into mother of the year, that was never going to happen.
Bingo Alex,thats for certain! cindy ruled the nest and thats why casey is so screwed up..imo
Robin,I hope she spends the rest of her life in prison! jmo
WhyLie-ITA
When cindy put her hands around caseys neck that night she snapped,and killed her imo out of jealousy!
Well Ladies it’s 10:20pm here in CA and that’s past my bedtime! Goodnight All!
Right Whylie,
Bedtime for me as well. Goodnight everybody.
cindy could control her and probably did it to keep casey from having a life!
me too,gnite everyone whose here,lol
Me too. Yawn, snooze…..
Alex ,
thank you I found her. are they saying she gets different things in that place whatever they call it. seems as tho she would do all rite there.
Alex ,
thank you I found her. are they saying she gets different things in that place whatever they call it. seems as tho she would do all rite there.
is anyone still here
Real quick message before leaving for work, Cricket, go to http://www.sjso.org, then on the right hand side click on “Inmate Search”, on next page near the top click on “Jail”, then on the left hand side, type in “Cummings” for the last name (she hasn’t legally changed back to her maiden name), then click search. Check in with ya’ll at lunchtime if I get a chance.
Hello to all..
Hey Lady!!!!
Happy Tuesday.. help/hugs for HaLeigh today!!!!
Goodmorning everyone.
Good Morning everyone! Heard on Fox that Kyron Horman’s dad is filing for a divorce from step-mom! I wonder if LE gave him some info or he has his own suspicions! Kind of reminds me of the Haleigh case!
WhyLie,
one of the issues, is how you perceive Haleigh gone missing versus what I now believe..
I don’t think that Haleigh was taken from her bed in the middle of the night.. I actually don’t believe their is substantial proof that she was in that home after Friday the 6th of February.. I truly believe she was just not returned from a visit.. To Whom, I don’t know..
That entire Monday doesn’t make sense, just like the time line never made sense.. I don’t think it was a kidnapping, and abduction.. I think the worst charge with this would go, interference with child custody..
People can disagree, thats find.. But, at this point.. You can’t prove me wrong..
The only people who have witnessed seeing Haleigh in that home that monday, is ron, misty, GGSykes. Thats it.. We do not know what the ac man said.. and people have fought too hard to throw out what Santos stated.. When they fought to remove anything Santos commented on, they opened a loop hole..
And as usual, things are thrown into the mix that have nothing to do with what was brought up, and done so to make it appear bad.. maybe you should re read what I said. Because, you didn’t get the point.. Whoever has Haleigh or is responsible for the interference in Custody, did so because they believed the system had failed Haleigh.. That by all rights she should have been removed by DCF.. That Haleigh was falling through the cracks.. While DCF was building their case.
So.. I for one, if Haleigh is with relatives that love and care for her, and she is Happy, Safe, loved and cared for.. I would follow the spirit of the law!!!
mlee, Good Morning! I appreciate your post. A couple of questions for you. Do you have an opinion/records about HaLeigh being in school the week prior, Feb 2-6? And Jerry (?) Santos, who fought so hard to throw out what he said?
mlee- other people had seen her at the bus stop on Monday and I don’t beleive Crystal had them that weekend, that’s why Grandma S was upset that Misty had left Ron to babysit the children that weekend! How dare she! Of course we haven’t heard from the a/c man, was Haleigh there when he was? LE isn’t talking and neither is he! Would really like to know what he witnessed!!!!!
Alex, Although the only “other” person who saw her at the bus stop on Monday, that I know of, that has been named specifically, is Chelsea. As for Crystal not having “them” that weekend, mlee is saying that it was even prior to that weekend. And Misty leaving Ron with the children who Gma Sykes had to care for, perhaps could have been just Jr.? I am not endorsing the “not returned” idea, just considering it and clarifying.
Thanks Cate- but don’t you think if Haleioh wasn’t returned the school would have said she never showed up on that Monday? I think she had to be seen at school or there would have been someone, a teacher, another parent, someone who would have said that Haleigh was not there. So I think she was and disappeared from the home after school! Just not sure if it was closer to when she got home or in the early morning of the 10th!
Alex, At this point, I am not sure who would be or is saying what about when they last saw HaLeigh! I wish someone (besides AH 🙁 ) would do an in-depth journalistic investigation on this story and talk to the school, parents at the bus stop, neighbors, to see if anybody is willing to go “on record” (just journalistic record) as being sure that they saw HaLeigh at a certain place and time.
gotta’ go to work but will check in from there!
Cate, there is a faction.. group persay that deemed Santos as unreliable.. part of the reason it had to do with AH, as he became part of the don’t listen to AH sessions.
No, GGSykes did not have the children that weekend.. And if anyone claims she did, its a brand new revelation.. something that just appeared, out of the clear blue and distant memories..
I worked on that weekend for almost a year, trying to determine who did have the children. This is where it went.. Plus, new info that melted in from Hank Sr. Ta Da…
Haleigh is absent from school on Monday, in School on Tue and wed.
Wednesday Night, February 4th, misty was suppose to be at home with the kids as ron worked.. Ron arrived home around 1:30am, no misty.. Ron calls Hank Sr. and ask where is misty? Hank Sr. doesn’t know, and ron tells him, okay.. I’ll go out and look for her.. Hank responds, are you going to leave the kids home alone, Ron’s response, they’ll be okay, their sleeping.. Thursday the 5th. Haleigh does not go to school, ron and misty get into a terrible fight.. Tn advised it was over her text to ron, telling him she would back his decision to reunite with Crystal in a family matter.. Misty pulls the I’m pregnant and it blows up.. Ron roughs misty up and throws her out.. TN picks up the kids and babysits them for the night.. Fri Haleigh is in school.
Now I ask about who had the kids for the weekend.. I ask if Crystal had the kids, and at first I was told YES.. that TN and ron took the kids to meet Crystal.. About 2 months later, I am told.. Oh NO, thats not right.. I forgot and had to ask my Mom.. That wasn’t Crystal’s weekend, that was Ron’s weekend, and Ron had the kids..
I ask, If Ron had the kids, was Crystal at the house with them? Since they were planning on going back together, that would seem logical.. I sparked an angry response, that said.. NO, but she sure was blowing up the phone!!! Now, one point that I would like to bring out.. If that weekend, which would have been the last weekend the family spent with Haleigh.. Why isn’t every detail burned into their memories?
I ask, Well if ron had the kids, the issue that Nay Nay brought out about misty returning to ron, but she needed to bring a condom?? So, why a condom? were they planning on having sex with the kids right here.. Again, I sparked an angry response.. NO.. Ronald has rules about no sexual activity any where around the kids!! Standard DCF spill???
So, where were the children that weekend?? We don’t know.. There have been no details for that weekend ever brought out in a year and a half!!! Oh and by the way, Haleigh is listed as attending school on February 24th, that everyone can see as a mistake on the school part.. but everyone is absolutely sure that her being listed as present on the 9th is right on the money… confusing??? pick and choose what elements you want in this case..
Melee, sorry, are your comments coming from a source somewhere? It sounds like a conversation and I am not sure who is saying what and when. Im confused if this is an article or your opinions? Thanks.
I think that when Haleigh’s bus driver and teacher were questioned they let LE know if Haleigh was at school on Monday. There is absolutely no proof that Haleigh was not with her paternal family that weekend.
I do not believe for a minute that Ron, Misty, or anybody else would keep up a charade for 17 months if it was Haleigh was not returned home from a visit. LE would never have been called. They would have done what the family on both sides have done for years, they would have handled it.
Keep it simple. Haleigh was taken from her home while Ron was at work and Misty was sleeping/not home, by whom and for what purpose has not been proven yet. But I do not believe that this is a case of not returning Haleigh home after a visit. Why would they return Jr and not Haleigh? Jr was quite capable of talking, do you not think he would have told somebody?
I think we sometimes try to stretch this case to places where there is absolutely no proof just because of our own personal feelings towards some of the players.
mlee- I understand the issue of the school records but my point is on Tuesday the 10th, someone at the school should have been able to remember if Haleigh was at school the day before! I would think the teacher would have said Haleigh wasn’t at school yesterday. If asked now the info would be unreliable because we wouldn’t know if that was memory of that day or another day. However the a/c man was there that day and he was questioned shortly thereafter so his account would be more reliable tome!In the area that I live, if a child is absent and the school has not received a call from the parent or guardian there is a call placed to find out why the child is not there. Do they do that in Putnam County?
BBL- Have to take mom for lab work. They start drawing at 7am so what to get there early so we don’t have to be out in the 199+ heat today!
Now its even more confusing..Mlee is saying that ron and Crystal were going to get back together for family reasons..Do you know, what family reasons?? Then Misty says she is PREGNANT, and ron and her fight argue, that must be when he supposably rolls her in a ball so she will miscarry..then Misty is gone for the weekend..and WHERE ARE THE KIDS..GOOD POINT..no one EVER talks about that, and it would certainly be burned in their memory every detail of their last weekend together. Then Ron wants Misty back so sunday she comes back and Monday Haleigh is missing??? It sounds as though Misty was SET UP to be at that house alone with the kids..obviously Ron didnt want her pregnant, and was going to get back with crystal..yet after Haleigh disappears he MARRIES MISTY????
i nevee heard the part that ron was getting back with crystal before..is that true..does anyone know. And does anyone know for SURE..if the ac man was ever questioned..besides heresay..Ive never seen him on tv, questioned by anyone, and he would be the ONLY person not related, who saw her that day..if he did.
The only source we have that Misty claimed she told Ron she was pregnant was from Nay Nay. Did Misty tell Nay Nay that is why she left Ron? Who knows, maybe she did to save face with her friends and family. Maybe she didn’t want to tell them that Ron and Crystal were talking about getting back together.
To me that would even be more motive on the maternal side. Crystal was facing jail time for failure to provide financial support to her children, plots to get back with Ron in the hopes of that case being dropped, AND then Ron gets back with Misty and dumps Crystal yet again.
There is speculation that Ron and Crystal were texting and talking on the phone that week prior to Haleigh going missing. That will come out when Sunshine kicks in but if it is true, then it just adds more motive, imo.
ggt – LE did talk with the ac guy. I believe LE mentioned it at some point. He has stayed in the background. I don’t know why but I can’t fault him for managing to stay out of the media glare. Not everyone wants that kind of 5 minutes of “fame.”
Supposedly CS and R talked on the phone, supposedly about getting back together. I don’t know who initiated the subject. It’s possible these calls had something to do with M being mad or a fight she and R had which could have caused her to leave and go binging.
I would not go so far as to say that R and CS were getting back together. Just talking on the phone – maybe about that.
WhyLie @ 8:49 am – I agree.
Im postitive I read that CS had them that weekend and this is when her fiance made the comment “the kids didn’t want to go back to Ron and Misty’s”. (which I think is an absolute lie). I think the kids loved Misty and Ron and wanted to go back from their weekend visit.
This is the time when her fiance became a suspicious character (after making that statement). He, himself has supposedly hid his own kids out for a year with no one finding them, and boasts about it. I think he is a very likely suspect in all of this. He may of thought he could do the same with Haliegh and Jr.. (Only Misty woke up in the middle of it and foiled the plan for getting Jr out).
He may of taken things into his own hands because he heard from Crystal about Ron and her stories of him beating everyone, blah blah blah. He may of wanted to play savior and look good to CS for saving her from Ron (lol and all the child support she owed). Since CS was with this fiance, he was gonna feel the burn of their money having to go for this.
He is a very big suspect in my opinion.
Crystal’s scheduled visit was the weekend after Haleigh went missing, and Crystal had Jr that weekend, so her regular visit was not the weekend just before Haleigh went missing, it would have been the weekend before that.
My guess would be that the children were between different paternal family members that weekend.
mlee @ 7:57 am, are you saying that CS did not return Haleigh after a visit???? So why the 911 call by M and R? There is no logic on earth that would explain them putting themselves as the last people to see her and claim taking her to and from the bus and who’s home she disappeared from if this is – as you seem to be saying – a situation where CS/maternal side took her for her own good.
Makes no sense at all for R or M to be involved in covering up for that.
m2c I totally agree. It makes no sense for 3 entire families to keep that kind of secret for nearly 17 months. Look at what has become of the Croslin family, do you think they would have kept that secret for that long seeing what they have gone through? No way.
JenM –
About CS’s fiance, Chad, saying “her fiance made the comment “the kids didn’t want to go back to Ron and Misty’s”. It COULD be true but not for the horrible reasons some people think.
It happens all the time. One parent who only has the kids for the weekend, spoils them, let’s them run free on the farm, no discipline, obviously no school. It’s like vacation. Who wants vacation to end and have to return to work? (or school) So I can regard it as a big lie on Chad’s part or true if based on what I just described.
And yes the money is a BIG part of this. Chad and CS were engaged and her owing a whopping 12 grand and more monthly payments for many years probably would really hammer their financial/credit status. Taking only Haleigh is much less suspicious (especially as a custodial kidnapping) than taking both children AND gets M and R in trouble. So that could have been deliberate. Plus MG lied to give Chad an alibi.
Do you think that Ron and his family would have pressured Misty to work with TM and take all those tests if they knew she would fail them because she knew that Haleigh was not really abducted but was not returned from a visit?
If that was the case they all would have slid out of the limelight, not talked to the press, not hired an attorney to help get Haleigh’s name back out there, not worked with TM again, and not talked with LE. The families would have just faded into the wood work and let the case go cold.
WhyLie@ 9:03 – No, there is no reason for R’s family or M’s to keep a secret like that. The only ones who’ve who’ve slithered thru this totally unscathed AND gotten what they wanted – are the G/S’s. Hmmm.
m2c, exactly!
Alex, I see you are following Kyrons case too. I am trying to recall something. On the day Kyron was taken to school by the step-mom didn’t she take 2 pics of Kyron standing beside his science project? one with his glasses on and one with his glasses off? iirc I really think she is behind it because it shows she took Kyron to school,but she knew the media would need recent pics of Kyron and she took 2 to show what he looks like with his glasses off.Every pic I have seen of Kyron he has had his glasses on,except of the one with his dad swimming in the pool.jmo
Just catching up on all of the post. I missed you all yesterday due to the difficulties.
Vaq your June 28th post @ 9:46pm the store in San Mateo where Ron made his stop is not even close to his job. San Mateo is only about 5 miles from Rons home. He would be approx. 11.8 miles away from his job site.
So true you guys. M2C, I know kids will say all kinds of things, but he sure tried to make it out to be the way he wanted, lol. My kids didn’t want to come back from their dad’s house for those same reasons. He let them run wild with no discipline and it was fun time. When they had to come back to me, it was structure, consistency and school! lol.
I do like your thought about “Taking only Haleigh is much less suspicious (especially as a custodial kidnapping) than taking both children AND gets M and R in trouble. So that could have been deliberate.” It sure explains a lot to me.
They KNEW Ron was working nights and Misty would be there alone. Its possible that someone came in the front door and went out the back, thus no break in on the back door. I think they planned to get Jr out too, thus the brick to hold the door open. And why leave a brick there for evidence? I think Misty woke up and foiled the plan, that’s why the brick was left there.
You also said, “Plus MG lied to give Chad an alibi.” YEP! Sure all adds up to me. I hope Chad is the missing suspect they have been talking about. He was probably getting tired of hearing CS whine about how she didn’t get custody and how angry she was about it and how much she and her family hated Ron and how she didn’t think it was fair that the kids called Misty momma and how she owed all that back child support. Life just wasn’t fair for CS. What better way to even the score!!! Just sayin….revenge and money are the top two motivators for crimes.
Gotta run off to work. Have a great discussion today.
Find Haleigh.
WhyLie The week-end that had passed was Crystals week-end to have the children. Crystal said she had not seen Haleigh in two weeks and that Ron told her she could not pick them up on that friday because if Haleigh missed anymore school he would go to jail. Haleigh was in school that Monday and got off the bus after that day of school. Haleigh disappeared after that.
Crystal’s scheduled weekend was not the weekend (the 6th) just prior to Haleigh being missing. Crystal’s regular visit was the weekend after Haleigh went missing (the 13th), which she had with Jr, which would mean her regular visit would have been the weekend of the 30th not the weekend of the 6th.
I posted an article from the BNN archives a few threads ago. It supported Texasmommys statement that Crystal loves her children and wanted them back. TJ Hart had written in the article that there were a handful of open DCF cases against Ronald by Crystal prior to Haleighs disappearance and that CS was trying to regain custody. I will try and find that article again.
WhyLie then why would CS say that in the media interview then? I will try and find the interview for you.
WhyLie I found the interview. It is on Feb 11th,2009 Crystal Sheffield Mother of missing Haleigh Cummings. I found it on you tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80BfC3Zig3s.
I did not do something right on the link, but you can find it there.
Alethea, Grund is not the biological father, but he loved Casey enough to want to marry her and raise Caylee as his own. The father was thought to be the daughter of a man that supposedly died in a car accident. Basicly, no one really knows who the father is, but a DNA test was done, and Grund is definitely not the baby daddy. I followed this case until the end. I laid it to rest mostly when the baby was laid to rest. God will provide the ultimate justice where needed.
lfj @ 9:40 am – But WHY did she want her children back? I’m sorry but if the roles were reversed and the non-custodial parent was a deadbeat DAD who owed $12,000 back support and started reporting the other parent to DCFS etc we would be up in arms saying he only wanted to avoid owing more child support.
Even IF CS wanted the kids back that’s a more believable reason to me than any other.
JenM @ 9:22am
Exactly.
And for those who think CS could not have done this, I agree. All the motives you attribute to her are right but she hasn’t the brains or energy to even think of this nevermind carry it off. It would be MG, possibly JS and Chad.
M2c I agree with Texasmommy that Crystal loves her children. I do not know everything that went on between Ron and Crystal. I agree that she should have paid her support. I hope she came and got Haleigh. Then we would have a better outcome for Haleigh. I do not agree it would be the right way to go about it though.
As it stands right now for me I still believe the answers lye in Satsuma.jmo
Shockwave I agree that God will provide the Justice for Caylee.AMEN
M2C, if thats the case we can also say thats the reason Ron went for custody in the very beginning, so he wouldnt have to pay child support to Crystal. Really there is no way to really know what they were thinking. jmo
m2c@8:50am- You’re probably roght about the a/c man & 15 minutes of fame! look what happened to Roy KronK1
Morning all, I guess I don’t believe crystals story about her court date being sent to the wrong address. In Minnesota, when you are supoenaed (spell check) to appear in court, they generally send a policeman to your home or work to deliver the paperwork. They will exhaust all options to hand deliver these forms. Her story just doesn’t make sense to me. It is my belief that she just didn’t stay in contact with the courts in an effort to take care of this matter, and yes , some of the responsibility should have been hers to stay in touch…provided she wanted to.jmo
We also do not know if Crystal and Marie didnt show up until later because they may have gone to PCSD first.jmo-
lfj@ 9:16an- They are not sure if the pictures were taken that day! But again you have someone who acts really peculiar and lies about her whereabouts! She must be drinking the same lying flavored koolaid as the ones involved in Haleigh’s case!
Tobias you could be right about that. I never thought of that.
Goodmorning Tobias and methinks.
Alex, you got that right! You notice the dad is divorcing the step-mom there;not marrying her.jmo
mlee, thanks for the post, very interesting and very plausible.
If ANYONE is hiding HaLeigh, I applaud them, and cheer because she is alive and well.
And still, EVERYONE involved in this covering-up needs to be accountable to the law.
If I decided that a child was in serious harm and jeopordy and that child/family services and the courts just weren’t getting it, I would take that child and go into hiding. But I would do it knowing that if the law caught up with me, I would dutifully serve my punishment. It’s the test of how truly you believe that the child is in danger versus any personal motivations you might have.
There is a price for heroism/marytrdom.
methinks- in CA they mail it to you and numerous people have had subpoenas mailed to wrong address, Heck sometimes they even mail them to the wrong city because they transpose numbers in the zip code. So to me what Crystal says is very beleivable regarding that issue!
mlee, so you got this information first hand? Are you able to tell us who is on the other end of the phone conversation? All due respect if you are not able but I’m having a hard time figuring it out. Thanks again.
lfj- I think the dad learned something!
m2c, It does make sense, though. Ron wanted to expedite getting his child back so he claimed that she was abducted to force a hand. It makes total sense, although perhaps wasn’t completely thought through :).
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m2c said,in June 29th, 2010 at 9:00 am mlee @ 7:57 am, are you saying that CS did not return Haleigh after a visit???? So why the 911 call by M and R? There is no logic on earth that would explain them putting themselves as the last people to see her and claim taking her to and from the bus and who’s home she disappeared from if this is – as you seem to be saying – a situation where CS/maternal side took her for her own good.
Makes no sense at all for R or M to be involved in covering up for that.
I think it’s extremely convenient to say a kidnapping was to protect a child especially when there is a HUGE financial perspective to it plus the dislike (to put it mildly) that CS’s family had for R for years even before the break-up, plus the new fiance (who has hidden his own children in a custody dispute) and a new baby.
Sorry but those reasons are a heck of a lot more likely than any benevolent kidnapping.
IMO. I just don’t get the need to make CS and her family out like some kind of saints. They’re ALL criminals and lowlifes everyone of them! This stinks of continued G/S propaganda and manipulation IMO.
This is in the court docs which clearly shows not only was Crystal served she responded to the courts. It was up to her to keep her address updated with the courts. Ron gave the courts the address he had for her, she was served and responded which shows that was a valid address. Not Ron or anybody elses fault if Crystal moved and did not update her address with the court. And still the court gave her another chance, another hearing.
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09/16/2005 007. SUMMONS ISSUED:CRYSTAL DIANE SHEFFIELD 9/19/2005
09/16/2005 .ADDRESS:11024 ARROWBROOK JAX FL 32221
09/16/2005 .SUMM RT 10-26-05 SVD 10-05-05 DUE 10-25-05
10/18/2005 008. ANSWER FILED BY PETITIONER
If Haleigh was not returned to Ron after a visit a simple call to LE would have sufficed. LE would have went to Crystal’s, gotten Haleigh, returned her to Ron, and charged Crystal.
There would be no need for some big concocted elaborate scheme to get Haleigh back if that was the case.
Me too Alex. The grandpa is saying that there is a 50/50 chance the step-mom will be arrested for kyrons disappearance. They know something!
WhyLie I agree with your 10:50am post!!!
Melee are you talking to Crystal Cummings? I took a guess when you typed they would have to ask their mom. I think only TN could have the info this person was giving you.
WhyLie- I’m a little confused as to what you posted! Looking at that it appears that the
Petitioner responded on 10/18/05. Wouldn’t Crystal have been the Respondent?
Cate so you would be comfortable flying off to Africa and kidnapping a child from their family because the child was not being fed or housed properly? Or you would be willing to fly off to Haiti and snatch toddlers off the street who are walking barefooted in the muck and sewage looking for food because of their parents financial situation and the devastation after the earthquake? It is no different. Kidnapping is kidnapping is kidnapping.
There were many people who said that DCF did not do their job and should have removed the children, but as long as the child is being raised inside the boundaries of the law, DCF has no right to remove a child. There was never any abuse allegations substantiated against Ron which would give DCF grounds to remove the children.
Alex, You are right Ron would be the petitioner. That is when he responded not Crystal.jmo
Agree with you both Alex and Tobias.
Alex, I would think. Maybe it is a typo or it was Ron that responded after Crystal’s summons was returned. Either way it shows that Crystal was served at the address provided to the courts.
Usually it is the person that is served, the Respondent, that “Answers”. Maybe one of our legal eagles can explain it.
Cate @ 10:42 am – IF CS did not return the kids on time or for days after, it WOULD legally be kidnapping by a non-custodial parent. As WhyLie said, all it would take is a call to LE. This theory holds water as well as a vegetable strainer IMO.
Oh, yeah, Tobias, makes a lot of sense for MG and CS to have driven all the way to the area of Haleigh’s disappearance and sit in a nearly deserted police station while everyone else is out looking for Haleigh and no one know about it until you imagined it and suggested it here.
Sure. (Not)
CS and MG would have been on the news whining and crying about waiting anxiously at the police station. Gee whiz. Talk about dreaming up stuff. Anything to deflect from the G/S’s it seems.
Just saying no one asked so we dont really know where they were. Y our idea is just as dreamed up as mine is. I agree to disagree. Its not proven for a fact either way. jmo
Also seeing as how thats where Ron and Misty were until they showed back up down there at 11 it is possible that Crystal was also at PCSD too. jmo
I could see MG and CS going to the police station when arriving in Satsuma to find out any info that had come out since the initial phone call that early morning and I am sure LE wanted to speak with them also.JMO
WhylLie- Not necessarily that she was served as courts in CA show you are served if a Clerk of the Court signs a statement that it was put in the mail to you.
When my boys were in High School we had several Foreign Exchange Students from Japan. The first, Masa, refused to return home and his parents let him stay and continue his education here. He graduated from high school, got a driver’s license and was accepted to Cal Poly SLO. He decided to go home and visit his parents before he started college. Well somehow he was summoned for Jury Duty! Never got the mail at our address, but the court showed us that it had been sent out. He had an arrest warrant issued and it wasn’t until that time when the officer came to my door looking for him
that we learned the summons & subpoena were sent to the correct street address but not the correct city. You would not beleive what we had to go through to get it cleared up so he wouldn’t be arrested on his return to the states. The judge laughed at that errors and said he isn’t even eligible to serve on a jury!
So from personal experience on the one issue that Crystal may not have been served, I beleive it! Everyone, in this group, is on my suspect list, even Crystal but SOs & Ron are at the top for me!
It was stated that Ron and Misty were taken down to the Sheriffs office to be questioned. Ron and Misty could have been down there upon their arrival. Who better to get info from than LE?jmo
Alex, not sure how they do it where you are BUT it was said early on that she was hand served. KP said she was served. The summons was returned served. Regardless of how it was served, it was returned, which meant that Crystal got it. Crystal was living in Jax, after she was served she moved back to her moms. It was HER duty to keep the courts informed of any change of address, not Ron’s, not the courts, not TN’s, not MG’s. It was Crystals obligation and she did not follow through. Nobody’s fault but her own.
lfj- The dad has taken their daughter, moved out of the house & filed a restraining order! It must be something serious!
I know Alex!! How terrible this must be for them!! I am praying for Kyron and their family. I hope to God she did not murder that little boy, but it is not looking good.
WhyLie- If she was truly served! I’m sorry but I don’t trust anything KP said, just as I have difficulty beleiving anything said by the Satsuma 5 lawyers or Casey Anthony’s!
If she was served I would want to see the Proof of Service Form to see how & by whom it was served!
Marie said when they arrived they did not know exactly where Ron lived, saw somebody they knew and asked. Crystal’s dad was already at the scene so why would Marie and Crystal go any place else? Makes no sense.
Alex you can get that from Putnam county, might cost you a few dollars, but others did get it very early on in the case.
WhyLie it does not mean they did not stop at PCSO first and then needed to ask for exact directions for Rons home. jmo
M2C–I thought I read early on that Crystal and Marie stopped at the police station on that day before making it to Ron’s. I would assume LE would want to get their alibi as soon as possible and which it wouldn’t be a stretch to say they also wanted to throw their two cents worth about Ron and his parenting abilities. Its not a hard sell that the police station would be their first stop not only to find out the info LE had so far but to malign Ron as well. This is purely conjecture on my part though. JMO
Response to :mlee said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 7:19 am
So mlee, let me make sure I understand, you think Haleigh went to visit “someone” prior to Feb. 6, 2009 ant that “someone” just didn’t return her. So on Feb. 10, 2009, Ron & Misty decide to make a 911 call and report her as abducted instead of telling the police that they let Haleigh go visit someone who is not refusing to return her?
Where does Jr. fit in this theory of yours? Did he not go visit the same “someone” as Haleigh? Or did he go visit and the “someone” returned him but not Haleigh?
How do you explain the school records showing that Haleigh was at school on Feb. 9, the bus driver that said she rode the bus home on Feb. 9, the 2 different people at the bus stop that afternoon that saw her get in the van with Misty if she was go prior to Feb. 6?
m2c said,in June 29th, 2010 at 11:07 am Oh, yeah, Tobias, makes a lot of sense for MG and CS to have driven all the way to the area of Haleigh’s disappearance and sit in a nearly deserted police station while everyone else is out looking for Haleigh and no one know about it until you imagined it and suggested it here.
Sure. (Not)
CS and MG would have been on the news whining and crying about waiting anxiously at the police station. Gee whiz. Talk about dreaming up stuff. Anything to deflect from the G/S’s it seems.
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exactly..glad someone else noticed this nonsense
Robin- Did they what time Crystal & marie arrived at PCSO?
Sorry left out “say” between they & what!
Has anything happened on Tommy’s divorce?
Tobias – We know when CS was informed, when JS arrived on scene and when CS and MG showed up. If they’d been there – at PCSO station – all those hours, it would have been reported. Or were CS and MG hiding their earlier arrival all this time? Again, makes no sense IMO.
WhyLie said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 10:48 am
This is in the court docs which clearly shows not only was Crystal served she responded to the courts. It was up to her to keep her address updated with the courts. Ron gave the courts the address he had for her, she was served and responded which shows that was a valid address. Not Ron or anybody elses fault if Crystal moved and did not update her address with the court. And still the court gave her another chance, another hearing.
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09/16/2005 007. SUMMONS ISSUED:CRYSTAL DIANE SHEFFIELD 9/19/2005
09/16/2005 .ADDRESS:11024 ARROWBROOK JAX FL 32221
09/16/2005 .SUMM RT 10-26-05 SVD 10-05-05 DUE 10-25-05
10/18/2005 008. ANSWER FILED BY PETITIONER
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I wonder who Crystal was living with at this Arrowbrook address (Last sale: $215,000
on Jan 22nd, 2007
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http://www.trulia.com/homes/Florida/Jacksonville/sold/21316976-11024-Arrowbrook-Lane-Jacksonville-FL-32221
Response to: mlee said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 7:57 am
Where are you getting your “information” that Haleigh was absent from school on Mon., in school on tue & wed the absent on Thurs. the 5th. Who told you that Crystal had the kids?
Before we can judge for ourselves whether any of this you are saying has any truth to it we would have to see verification of what you are “telling” us, for all we know you could be another of the bloggers that tried to get in so “tight” with Kim P and are now disgruntled.
Sorry, but I don’t just “buy” stories put out by bloggers that say “I was told”. Would like to see the documentation of the “told”.
Off topic. Alex, thinking about the 2 pics of Kyron with the CSI shirt on beside his science project with/without his glasses could show pre-meditation if she definitely is involved.jmo
Alex–No but then again I haven’t been able to find it anymore. I might have been dreaming I guess. I have looked for it so it could explain why it took so long for them to arrive. I have never been able to pinpoint what time they arrived anywhere that day. There is no proof anywhere that I have searched about CS and MG arriving there and what time and believe me I have looked endlessly. It was something I read early on but now I can’t find it, so I do not claim it as fact. But I do think it is probable considering the actions of CS and MG throughout, and the contempt of court order sent to Crystal a few days before this.
lfj-ita!
Media was waiting on Crystal’s arrival. She was called before 4 AM, it is an hour and a half drive. NO reason for her not to have been there by 6 or 6:30.
Thanks- Robin
How was the custody arrangement and visitation drawn up? When it was Crystal’s weekend for visitation who picked the kids up or did Ron take them to a designated place for Crystal to pick them up? I do not buy the fact that Crystal or Marie did not know where Ron lived or the location. JS was there so they could have got directions from him.
On the issue of whether the kids were home or not the weekend before HaLeigh went misssing, The kids were home with Ron , I believe because AS states she was angry at Misty because she left and Ron had to take care of them all by himself (I don’t quite understand why RON’s children were Misty’s responsibility per AS’s logic but whatever)
Also in one of Hanks visits to Misty He discusses with her about one night during the weekend that she was gone Ron calls Hank and asks him to go with him to find Misty, Hank asks Ron what about HaLeigh and Jr and he states that they are sleeping and he can leave them in the MH ,and Hank says no thats not a good idea, Anyway I just don’t think he would make all that up jmo
Ron took the kids to meet Crystal at the McDonalds off of hwy 17 in downtown Palatka. That is what was reported in the media interviews.
It is not like Ron would need Hanks help to find Misty, she only had her brothers, sister-in-laws, and a couple of friends including Nay Nay. If Ron wanted to find Misty he would have found her.
Robin there is some “inconsistencies” with that entire thing. Marie said she didn’t know where Ron lived, but they were able to send JS there. Then Crystal said she had never been in the MH, but Marie said that Crystal had been in the MH and Marie went on to describe the sleeping arrangements.
I believe Ron and Crystal had shared parental rights with Ron being the primary. In the month of March 2009 Crystal did an interview and she said she was to have the children with her for all of Haleighs spring break. Therefore CS would have them every other week-end and they would split up the time for Holidays and School vacations such as spring break and Summer.jmo
Lookingforjustice–Thanks.
What if JS called TN and got directions?
Chakara, I heard that report also and then there was another report after Haleighs disappearance that Hank and Ronald went searching for WBG together.
The type of person JS is and his dislike of Ron I would find it very “odd” if JS did not know where Ron lived. JS’s own words, everybody knows who I am.
WhyLie said,in June 29th, 2010 at 9:06 am Do you think that Ron and his family would have pressured Misty to work with TM and take all those tests if they knew she would fail them because she knew that Haleigh was not really abducted but was not returned from a visit?
If that was the case they all would have slid out of the limelight, not talked to the press, not hired an attorney to help get Haleigh’s name back out there, not worked with TM again, and not talked with LE. The families would have just faded into the wood work and let the case go cold.
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Well,imo they would tell her to cooperate if she really was asleep and didn’t know,It would help them pull their story off!
Misty was just in the right place they needed her to be in,drugged up,tired,and just got back with the family mad at her,even AS said she didn’t like it that ron let her come back!
Misty said in the jail tape,I was doing all this stuff and saying what they wanted me too,and now I know he used me for a babysitter? jmo and I as usual,think ron was the man in black! jmo
When MG gave the sleeping arrangements she stated this is what they were told and it was reported that CS did go to the mh after Haleighs disappearance.jmo
m2c said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Oh, yeah, Tobias, makes a lot of sense for MG and CS to have driven all the way to the area of Haleigh’s disappearance and sit in a nearly deserted police station while everyone else is out looking for Haleigh and no one know about it until you imagined it and suggested it here.
Sure. (Not)
CS and MG would have been on the news whining and crying about waiting anxiously at the police station. Gee whiz. Talk about dreaming up stuff. Anything to deflect from the G/S’s it seems.
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First I am going to input my standard:
I have yet to hear of one decent ADULT human being related to Haleigh, poor baby!
Also I have not seen anyone here trying to “deflect” from the G/S’s but sure do seem to a lot here lately trying to deflect from the Cumming/Neves/Sykes and trying very hard to trash the Sheffield/Griffis.
They knew Misty didn’t know,imo so they just didn’t know it would get all this attention,jmo.lol
LFJ – I remember something about that also was that on the same weekend?
CathyJo, The thing that irks me with AS saying Ron let her come back is that he called and wanted Misty to come back and bring a condom at that. Misty did not call Ronald up begging him to take her back.jmo
LadySadie said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Response to: mlee said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 7:57 am
Where are you getting your “information” that Haleigh was absent from school on Mon., in school on tue & wed the absent on Thurs. the 5th. Who told you that Crystal had the kids?
Before we can judge for ourselves whether any of this you are saying has any truth to it we would have to see verification of what you are “telling” us, for all we know you could be another of the bloggers that tried to get in so “tight” with Kim P and are now disgruntled.
Sorry, but I don’t just “buy” stories put out by bloggers that say “I was told”. Would like to see the documentation of the “told
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Haleigh wasn’t absent from school on that Monday and Crystal didn’t have the kids the weekend before she went missing.
I will see if I can find the attendance record from school again.
Chakara no that was about 3 weeks later iirc.
Vaq, that was my understanding also, LOL. Just trying to find out where “mlee” is getting her “stories” and why she is trying to sell them at a place where so many people have already done the research to prove what he/she is selling is false.
Lady,as for me,I trash all of them,theres not one of Haleighs family I’d trust from my nostril to the tip of my nose,not one……..but imo
Ron was the one with custody,raised Haleigh the whole time…….and he starts lying and defending from day one,thats why i don’t dwellllllll on anyone else but still i do suspect others…….jmo
defended Misty,he and TN did,right off the bat,tells misty to look in the cam,tells her about DB What innocent father does this? Not one I ever met,till i met Ron……….jmo
LOL, CathyJo, I trash them all too, which is why I had to change my standard saying, it was pointed out to me that Jr was also related to Haleigh and was I implying that he wasn’t decent also, LOL. I make sure to put the ADULT in now because Haleigh does/did have 2 younger brothers and 1 younger sister (poor babies!).
LFJ- thanks, I wonder when Ron found out she was with WBG that weekend, before she came home? per the condom request or after
Just trying to figure out the “agenda” of the ones now trying to deflect any attention away from the Cummings/Neves/Sykes and only trash the Sheffield/Griffis side.
even his first interviews,N’G questions him and he says stull like,Hmmm I was unaware of that? or Oh I didn’t ask her? and Oh well,what i hear isn’t what she tells me Miss Nnacy,I wuz at “werk” gimme a break!!!!!!!!!!!
WTH duz that!
Haven’t bought it to this day and never will…jmo lol now you can attack,rofl
right Lady,lol just letting ya know my part,can’t speak for the others,lol
I just want everybody to be clear on what I believe,I am not one sided at all even if it seems it,i suspect everyone in the mess????
But why does a father protect and hide the truth?
especially a babysitter for 4 months,she’d be the first I’d have shook!
Just google Haleigh’s attendance records and it will show where they are on Art Harris’s site.I can’t link to his site.
Lady,lol I gotcha,some wait for minor err’s to jump on,but jr imo it goes without saying,he’s a victim just like his sissy and i do not even think of him when i say her family,jmo
I deflect nothing from either,lol Lady,matter of fact I keep my spotight charged! jmo
Agee completly CathyJo- I suspect everyone , but when you look at Rons actions after the fact , they absolutly point toward him having complete knowledge of the event, their is just to many things that a completly innocent father wouldn’t do
Exactly she didn’t call ron,didn’t TN or AS say they looked her up? needed their sitter,lol
even AS said,I was mad at ron for letting her come back after MISTY left him with NO ONE to babysit,how is that Mistys problem,why didn’t AS and TN babysit,lol lol really?
hmm they didn’t want too? jmo
looking for Justice said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 11:32 am
WhyLie it does not mean they did not stop at PCSO first and then needed to ask for exact directions for Rons home. jmo
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I am sure they got directions from Johnny before they even left. Why go to PCSO when most of PCSO was at 202 green Lane.Plus there was a police presence at the turn off entrance to Ron’s.Remember he had lived in that neighborhood before moving to Green Lane, he only move a few streets over.
looking for Justice said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
When MG gave the sleeping arrangements she stated this is what they were told and it was reported that CS did go to the mh after Haleighs disappearance.jmo
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On Feb 13, which was before the MH had been released and Crystal had gone in, Marie gave an interview with JVM.
GRIFFIS: I don`t know anything about the TV. My daughter, Crystal, has been in that house, and she said Haleigh and Junior have beds set up in one room and then there`s a big bed in the room that, I guess, Ronald and Misty would sleep in, and that`s the one that we understand that they were all three in.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/13/ijvm.01.html
LadySadie- I agree , I have wondered myself about that
Absolutely agree with your 12:42pm post chakra7.
Exactly Chakra,if he were not Haleighs dad i’d consider him an idiot like i do the others but thats her FATHER!
LadySadie @ 12:35
That’s the usual response. I’ll tell you my “agenda.” To keep an open mind about all the people around Haleigh. To recognize they all have criminal records and unsavory characters and all have motives and could have been involved. And to not close any doors to possibilities until proof is found. Real proof. Not “stories.”
The campaign of villification of R and M and whitewash of G/S clan was started by MG at the beginning. Whatever their motives were or are for this, it’s continuing and it leads in one direction IMO- to get the most people possible to believe that R and M did it so when the investigation comes to a stop they will be perfectly happy -convinced that one of the people in jail for drugs must have done it.
Then there will be little or no pressure on LE to really solve it. I don’t want that to happen. So I won’t help whitewash the G/S’s and I will point out totally off-the-wall made up accusations about others. There is nothing positive for Haleigh in those things IMO.
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 12:38 pm especially a babysitter for 4 months,she’d be the first I’d have shook!
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I’d shook her all night long myself…
and crystal said on NG ron had pills laying around but she had never been to the MH?
How would she know then?
Vaq? do you know TN personally,just curious!
rofl Thank God you’re still living OJ,lol j/k but exactly,she was never told these things OJ,lol
no druggy leaves pills out,they guard them!!!
CathyJo- and if Ron didn’t know anything wouldn’t he want Cobra or Donna to find out whatever they could ??? not warn and shut Misty up
I thought it was Chelsea that said Ron left pills laying around?
CJ, do you believe that Misty was sleeping and does not know first hand what happened to Haleigh?
Haleighs attendance record.
Sept: 2th unexcused, 15th excused, 17th& 18th excused.
October: 3rd unexcused, 15th unexcused, 27th Tardy,29th unexcused, 30th Tardy, 31st unexcused.
November: 5th excused, 7th unexcused,10th unexcused, 12th unexcused, 13th and 14th excused, 17th Tardy, 19th unexcused, 20th unexcused, 24th Tardy
December:1st Tardy, 5th Tardy,17th excused,18th Tardy
Ron had no reason to warn Misty about Donna, she already knew that Donna worked with TM. That is how Misty met Donna, through TM, so I don’t see what Ron would have been warning Misty about.
thats my whole point Chakra,maybe i need a refill on my stupidy pills? lol 😈
afraid she’d get friendly and tell stuff WhyLie! jmo
Janurary: 7th unexcused,12th excused, 22nd unexcused
Feb. 2nd unexcused, 5th unexcused 9th Tardy. It is hard to make out on this day. The 10th on she has unexcused absences exceot for the mistake on the 24th. I do not believe these should be unexcused since she was a missing child from the 10th on.
sometimes I do,sometimes not Whylie,but when i got my theory that ron is the MIB,I don’t,it depends which theory i am talking about,lol so I dunno yet,all i am certain of’
is ron knows and ron was the top dog in all of it! jmo
CathyJo – LOL , your Little devil is cute LOL
Ron and the family were cooperating with Cobra when they believed he was there to find Haleigh. When AH released the video of Cobra accusing TN of setting him up to be killed, the cooperation stopped. If you want cooperation in solving a crime you do not alienate the families, you get them to trust you, you don’t accuse the grandma of a missing child of attempting to have you done in and then expect the rest of the family to even want to talk to you. I mean geeez louis.
WhyLie it was Chelsea that said she knew for a fact their were pills lying around that mh on the NG show.
CJ, I asked because you seem to condemn Ron for supporting Misty. If Ron believes Misty was not involved, if he believes she was asleep, then why wouldn’t he support her? All the fingers were pointing at her but he believed what she was telling him. Maybe he was wrong in believing her, maybe he has since come to the realization that Misty may have been involved, but at the time I think Ron believed Misty.
Why in the world would there be so many unexcused absences and why was she tardy so many times?
Geez
the whole world suspected Misty,ron and tn didn’t….hmm billions of ppl and those are the only 2 who believe Misty,lol wow,one hello of a gal!!! and lucky!!!!
Nobody in bloggerland knows for sure what happened.
Nobody.
Too many holes in the evidence parade that we aren’t privy too.
Its all conjecture on our parts.
Some peoples personal experiences give them a ‘side’ they feel close too for one reason or another.
Some like ron for the issue, some like misty, crystal, tommy, or joe.
Who knows what really happened? The perp or perps. And they aint tellin very much if anything at all.
The only sure things, imo, are the prison sentences for drugs.
Hope we hear more on Haleigh soon.
Refresh my memory. Which happened first? The failure of Misty doing the re-enactment with Cobra or TN and the woods incident. It will keep me from searching it out. Thanks
LFJ- yes, I remeber chelsea saying that also
LoL Chakra,he’s twisted,lol I luv those!
o lord,no clue whylie,lol
not whylie,sheeeeesh,Looking,sorry!
I’m blind in one eye and can’t see outta the other one! LoL 🙄
All I am looking for is the TRUTH. The truth is that Sheffields/Griffis side has been as suspicious, if not more, than Ron and his family. Its been just a little less reported or in the spotlight. A contentious custody battle raging for a few years with thousands of dollars owed in back child support would be one of the BEST motives for someone (noncustodial family) to take a child. Then throw in an attorney that sets out on a media/blog assassination on the father (with or without your blessing) and the hinky meter hits overtime. On top of that a foundation set up in your missing child’s name that was NOT coordinated to set up searches for her (per Kim P) then the HINKY meter just fell off the charts. They had motive (their hate for Ron and the custody issues), means (JS knows everyone and everyone knows him), and opportunity (Ron is at work and Misty is back from three day drug binge ALONE with two small children). I do not condone. Nor defend anyone’s behavior. They are all suspicious and NONE are above reproach, and that includes the Sheffield/Griffis side. The media and LE put the spotlight on Misty and Ron early on and it has never wavered, no matter what suspicious statements or actions the Sheffields/Griffis have said or done. They have just as much right to be in that bullseye (LEs) as anyone. But then again this is just MY opinion!
I will go and search.
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm the whole world suspected Misty,ron and tn didn’t….hmm billions of ppl and those are the only 2 who believe Misty,lol wow,one hello of a gal!!! and lucky!!!!
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Exactly , Great point Cat
CJ, I do not believe that Misty was involved. I believe she was sleeping and does not know what happened. I pray I am right because I would hate to think of Misty hurting Haleigh when all Haleigh did was love Misty. I would hate to think that Misty would put all of these family members, including her own, through this he77 after they opened their homes and their family to her.
WhyLie said,in June 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm CJ, I asked because you seem to condemn Ron for supporting Misty. If Ron believes Misty was not involved, if he believes she was asleep, then why wouldn’t he support her? All the fingers were pointing at her but he believed what she was telling him. Maybe he was wrong in believing her, maybe he has since come to the realization that Misty may have been involved, but at the time I think Ron believed Misty.
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WhyLie,I don’t seem too,I DO!
Because he’s her father and ron knewwwwwww there were things she told not to be true????? that simple,her dad would ask,if you lost my child,why are you lying? jmo
Thats why i believe Ron knows!!!!! and always has! she is protecting him!
WhyLie said,in June 29th, 2010 at 12:52 pm I thought it was Chelsea that said Ron left pills laying around?
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I would take your memory over mine anytime..
All we need is a confession, a reliable witness, some forensic evidence and we’ll know.
Now that’s a ‘dream’
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he told N/G when she asked about her failing certain questions or whatever in the ld that he don’t know,he never asked,rofl omg
right Whylie,in my biggest theory she was asleep,rons precence woke her? but not the only theory i have so,lol
Jaba- I agree all is speculation and our own life experiences make us sway one way or another
I’m thinking that they drug cases and how they play out will be telling as to how LE is swaying on who they suspect, or they might keep it completly seperate, LE has stated that also, I think it depends on how much evidence they have, and whether they think it will stick in court jmo
Thank You Chakra,Why would they not suspect her too,have they heard of cindy and george,the only other 2 ppl on earth,mars or pluto who believed casey! jmo
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 1:00 pm the whole world suspected Misty,ron and tn didn’t….hmm billions of ppl and those are the only 2 who believe Misty,lol wow,one hello of a gal!!! and lucky!!!!
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make that 3
jaba said,in June 29th, 2010 at 1:07 pm All we need is a confession, a reliable witness, some forensic evidence and we’ll know.
Now that’s a ‘dream’
Yep, a good dream after a nightmare!!!!
no Oj,didn’t mean it that way,u gotta learn CathyJoish!lol
What i meant is,the world suspected her on day one but they didn’t,before we knew all this other crap??? even I believe Misty is innocent most of the time!!!!!!!!!!
got me?? lol
Well I have to tell you guys I almost had a figurative heart attack this morning. I went to read the St Augustine Record newspaper, as I do every morning and the first Headline I read is this:
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Body found in Satsuma identified
Posted: June 29, 2010 – 8:25am
http://staugustine.com/news/2010-06-29/body-found-satsuma-identified
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Thought for sure I was going to read that they had found Haleigh, but alas, not to be. It is about a different case.
yep, exactly CathyJo, if Ron and TN knew nothing they would be hunting down Misty for what she knew not extending open arms and defending her at all costs
I’d like to point something out. On another site, some bloggers posted some good information. An incident report of Road Rage involving Ron and some dude named Chas. Jones the end of Dec. 2009. Two You Tube 911 dispatches are listed. One by Jones and one by Misty. Listen carefully. There is a posted transcript of the incident report located at CrimeSeekers.net. Check out the addresses that do not exsist exactly. Keep reading. Maybe it’s not new news, it does show behavior patterns.
After turning this over and over again I come to the conclusion that someone in Misty’s family was not responsible for hurting Haleigh but were involved helping to secure her for someone else. A little bit of cash, a little bit of drugs, deeds get done. Listen to what Ron tells his mother in his taped jail conversation. Take some of the facts and piece them together. I am not pointing anything towards one person but you take Ron. He has bullied and P’ed off a lot of former family members and townfolk. CS didn’t get her day in court. Misty got beat up a lot, she probably feared for Haleigh. You take a couple of former police officers, they probably still have buddys on the force, a former boyfriend of CS who came back into the picture, a couple of brothers, talk of people going to Texas, going to Montana, going to Kentucky, going to Colorado. Someone did something about the problem and that problem was Ron. No drug Lord involved. No kids going out of their minds and doing something bad to a child. Haleigh was taken out of that inviroment on purpose. She could have been under a sleep med and as horrible as it sounds, carried out in an opened black trash bag for a few seconds and transported out of the home. No DNA on anything, a van, a car, a footprint. Nothing. someone who had experience knew how to do this.
because he defended her from day one,lol 😉
without knowing what we thought yet! lol sorta,gosh OJ,Just take CathyJoish classes for God’s sake! LoL 😉
There has always been 3 stooges, not just two. 🙂
never suspected her…
stranger abduction, but if tommy or js was involved I wouldn’t be surprized
tHATS THE ONE THING THAT NO MATTER WHO I SUSPECT cHAKRA,THAT STILL ALWAYS BRINGS ME BACK TO RON!
Sorry caps,lol
well ok then OJJJJJJJJJJ When Mizz Nancy told us she was looking suspicious?????????
OK,ROFLMAO@U 😉
Misty refused to do the re-enactment on March 17th and The TN incident happened around the 26th of March.
me too Cat !!!!
Well I have to tell you guys I almost had a figurative heart attack this morning. I went to read the St Augustine Record newspaper, as I do every morning and the first Headline I read is this:
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Body found in Satsuma identified
Posted: June 29, 2010 – 8:25am
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Thought for sure I was going to read that they had found Haleigh, but alas, not to be. It is about a different case.
Robin -ita that both sides of Haleigh’s family should be under the watchful eye of LE. IMO, I think LE & the media went off track when they went after Lisa & Hank SR. They don’t seem to have gotten back on track and focused but then I don’t know what they (LE) know!
And too Chakra,he said he married her to keep her in fl,BS! They went to tenn and Mass to get others for ?ing! jmo..
CathyJo63 said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Thats why i believe Ron knows!!!!! and always has! she is protecting him!
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Ron knows what? He was at work and was there his whole shift and I’ve posted many articles relaying that fact and the police have said more than once that neither him nor Crystal are suspects. I don’t know how it could be any clearer than what PCSO has said..
Misty is covering for her brother. I’ve never believed Misty harmed Haleigh but she is covering for her brother and that makes her just as sick as Tommy.
he married her cuz he’s got the hots for young girls! jmo
Not if the confessionsare ala Joran!
Misty was a minor, the others they went out of state to question were not. Nobody will ever convince me that LE was okay with Misty leaving state early on in the investigation. Her parents were going to send her to Michigan, Ron married her, that solved the problem and kept Misty in state so LE could keep on questioning her.
Right Alex,I agree…..why a fake search??
LFJ – thank you for finding that info, so TN incident was after
I’ll rest my case Vaq if you show me proof he was at work?????? has le shown you this?
even if he was i still have doubts but none of know for sure where ron was! jmo
Misty only knew Ron for a few months. She had no problem sexing it up with WBG when her and Ron split up. No way did she love Ron enough to do 25, 50, 100 years for him. She would protect nobody except herself, if she did know anything that happened that night.
But Misty ISN’T innocent of selling drugs… that is what is going to make her go down….
sad, but true…
HOPEFULLY, she has begin to turn her life around in jail… GED, learning to read better, and maybe even some religion thrown in….
I know Vaq,He was always at ‘werk” making an honest living and being the best parent! jmo
vaquera said,in June 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Misty is covering for her brother. I’ve never believed Misty harmed Haleigh but she is covering for her brother and that makes her just as sick as Tommy.
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misty said as early as the hypnosis tape to look at tommy..that is not covering up imvho
Cobra said Misty refused to do a re-enactment, which I am sure LE would have advised against anyway. Cobra said a lot of things that turned out not be quite the truth.
WhyLie,exactly,thats why he put the fear of God in her!!!!!!!!!! jmo
CathyJo- yes, and he didn’t want to go to jail for dating a child
whylie,its getting hard to trust any of them!
I don’t think Misty has first hand knowledge so she can’t cover for anybody. I believe that she does suspect TC though, and I think she has been saying that for a long time.
Vaq,Ron also said he didn’t use drugs,lol
He says ALOT!jmo
You got it Chakra! The truth is hard to swollow sometimes but if we want the truth,we gotta get to it and stop denying the obvious! jmo
WhyLie said,in June 29th, 2010 at 1:29 pm Cobra said a lot of things that turned out not be quite the truth.
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and he plead GUILTY after he swore he was innocent and the truth would come out LOL
She even said in the tape to Hank,Dad i don’t even know if that was Jo or not,I don’t know,which tells me,somebody came in disguised and pretended to be someone else and scared the living hell out of Misty! mo
I think, from what I’ve seen, that no one is showing proof that ron left WERK that night.
That’s my big hangup on thinking he’s a MIB or anything else.
I believe he knows who COULD have taken her and maybe knows something from misty about that night by now that we don’t know. I think LE knows that too.
Imo, he married her to keep her around to 1. Try and find out if she was invlovled and 2. As his young girl bride who likes the drugs he takes and sells and the lifestyle he lives. She didn’t have anything else going in the right direction for her before ron and certainly not after.
Imo
he pled guilty OJ???
OJ’s glove said,in June 29th, 2010 at 1:28 pm vaquera said,in June 29th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Misty is covering for her brother. I’ve never believed Misty harmed Haleigh but she is covering for her brother and that makes her just as sick as Tommy.
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misty said as early as the hypnosis tape to look at tommy..that is not covering up imvho
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very true OJ , good point
and not showing proof he was,we assumed he was?? Jaba! jmo
Exactly CJ, that is why I think things deep to see if it makes sense or not. Ron and his family had no reason to take and hide Haleigh. There was no evidence that Haleigh died in the MH. Misty only had a handful of people who she could call on to help her if something had happened that night. Tommy placed himself at the MH earlier in the day, giving him opportunity to unlock the door, and later that night, when he said all the lights were off, just as Misty had said. Tommy prowls the neighborhood at night, per the neighbors. Tommy is a very likely suspect, imo. Now the why behind it could be he was paid by somebody to get the children out of the home for them, but could only get Haleigh, he is a pedophile and wanted Haleigh, or he took her to trade back to Ron for drugs or money but Ron “told” and he couldn’t bring her back. I pray it is the first one.
theres a reson le has not released verification from PDM?? tHEY LET US ASSUME HE WAS AT WORK? NO ONE KNOWS THAT!
It is in my opinion that Misty was not leaving Satsuma. Ron and Misty did not marry until 32days after Haleigh disappeared. It was not Ron marrying Misty that kept her in Satsuma. If Misty would have really wanted to leave she would of been long gone well before 32 days later. We heard nothing of them marrying until after Geraldos interview.jmo
EVEN IF HE WAS IMO,HE STILL SNUCK OUT,YOU DON’T DEFEND THE PERSON WHO GOT YOUR CHILD “STOLE”
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 1:34 pm he pled guilty OJ???
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yep, thats why he can’t get involved with the case or work in putnam county..I think it was putnam..and I guess hes having issues with his PI license according to sundays show.
SHE TOLD ON TOMMY ABOUT THE BURGLARY TOO!
lOOKING RIGHT!
tHEY HAD DRUGS TO KEEP THEM CLOSE…JMO DIDN’T NEED A WEDDING!
gosh,forgot caps again and i was getting better,lol
Lord,you’d think he’d know better,I ain’t pleading guilty to nuffin,lol less i did it!
but he still says they’re are great guys,lol
Ron and Misty had done left and went two hours away to get that tattoo on Rons leg. I am sure they had plenty to discuss on that long ride. The Geraldo interview was after the tattoo incident.
I just don’t think Tommys guilty of anything but having big ears and being stupid,lol jmo
If anything i think Ron called tommy to place him there,knowing he needed a witness??
He didn’t even like Tommy,why would he call him to see where Misty was?? jmo
right,and ron couldn’t do what he wanted to do in town where his daughter went missing? jmo
Misty did say that Timmy was Rons favorite. The van was at Timmy and Chelseas that night.jmo
Trying to find where Putnam County LE has specifically stated that Ron and/or Crystal are NOT persons of interest or suspect? Been googling but can not find where they have stated that anywhere. Also went to Putnam County Sheriffs Office website and looked at all available press releases and can not find any that state that Ron and/or Crystal are NOT persons of interest or suspects.
Marrying, traveling from Satsuma, Florida to New York City for a honeymoon and to appear on national television. This is all going on at the same time that the Putnam County Sheriff’s office is moved on to a new area to continue their search for Ron Cummings’ daughter Haleigh. Captain Dick Schauland reported that about 100 officers have been combing a wooded around the Cummings’ home.
Crazy! jmo
Ron called TC to ask if Misty was there. Not like Misty had a lot of friends or places she could go, and I am sure Ron knew that.
New article up by Simon regarding Cobra:
“So what changed today? Cobra got his life back! He has his license reinstated, he can resume his life. “
Last week, Ron Cummings decided to get a picture tattoo of Haleigh with the inscription Daddy’s little girl, at a cost of $400.00. He said a friend paid for it.
This week, Ron Cummings proposed to Misty Croslin …. 28 days after his daughter went missing, and she said yes, of course. What kind of people think of marriage during a time like this?
Misty stated people would question their decision to marry, and Ron Cummings own mother, Teresa Neves, had this to say:
“It will be very small and private, Misty is actually fulfilling the wishes of Haleigh. Haleigh and Junior have often talked about how they would love to have Misty for their Mommy. They’ve asked daddy several times why you don’t marry Misty?
Misty has said she promised Haleigh she would be part of their wedding someday, yet the other day after releasing balloons in the air for Haleigh, Ron Cummings wrote this on his balloon:
“Misty and Daddy got married, just like you wanted, we love you.
Can you imagine how that child felt if she actually saw that on TV? But … they are doing it for Haleigh and Junior, because the kids want it …. how many of you would allow a 4 and 5 year old to decide such a life changing event? What is going here?
It was on August 17th, 2009. That was the only time I read LE came out and stated that.I still believe that LE released that info to get those close to Haleigh to let their guard down.
In the last two PCSO reports it mentioned foul play and that that Misty or Ron or both may know the person who took Haleigh.
The Sheriff’s Office stated, “The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case.”
in the bnn archives titled..
Haleigh Cummings Update: Parents Cleared, Misty’s Story UnclearPosted on August 17th, 2009
have Misty for their mommy,wth says that! CS ain’t much i agree but what a time to say that! jmo
burns me up,brings my blood to boiling! jmo
lfj, well if that is the case, Ron sure did let his guard down, got more brazen in his drug dealing.
On the you tube inyerview with Misty and TN the one where Granma defends Misty, Misty says she called Ron and got no answer then she called her Mom. Why call them? Call 911 if you are freaking out scared. jmo
And that interview TN just about sugar coats everything I almost gag listening to it. jmo
exactly WhyLie,to givem just enough rope! jmo
Someone said he was eating in the cafeteria, which was not normal, but he was visible.
He did clock in and out right? Or ‘someone did’ on the ron leaves werk secario.
He was spotted at the git n go buying cigs etc..
Take 25-30 min each way, so and hour on the trip to and from work and during this time out of werk, where if anyone saw him leave or comeback to the parking lot would have screwed him royally. Maybe le knows that, again, under the ron leaves werk scenario.
He has to have a change of clothing and change somewhere, twice.
Once before and once after ‘burying Haleigh’, I guess.
Then has to go back to werk and have it appear that nothing was up. I try and think what my heart rate would be during those hours. At least 200 bpm. Maybe ron is a great actor, we’ve seen him stylin and profilin with his walk. We’ve seen him national tv ‘acting’ stoned. I just don’t think ron could have pulled that ‘act’ off if hed been running like hell to dispose of Haleigh midshift.
All imo, I don’t really know.
you and me Tobias,Knowing cs could be innocent but this mother is feeling enough guilt and then to even suggest a babysitter for 4 months is her MOMMY!!! lowdown!!!!
Jaba – I think that Ron could have been at “werk” and still have knowledge and be involved via before and/or by phone jmo
Yes! he did LadieSadie. I know the S/G have not been in the media as much as the Cummings/Croslins but then again they are not out putting themselves on display!! jmo
there would never be a time in my life that that statement could leave my mouth,ever! and especially then and even moreso when she gave ron up herself,would she like it if someone said that about her? NO! jmo
Jaba,even after the le knew they still asked what took him so long to get home,he told cobra that in transcripts! jmo
Tobias I don’t know why Misty called her mom,because she was over in Gainesville. Why didn’t she call TN or AS if Ron did not answer?
Fox Orlando
In a news release marking the child’s sixth birthday on Monday, investigators said the child’s biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, were not suspects.
WESH news
Greenwood said the missing girl’s biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered suspects in the case, but Cummings’ current wife, Misty Croslin-Cummings, has not been cleared.
Thats why he was so sure he’d pulled off the perfect crime,watch his honeymoon today show video at the end,he is smirking like hello!!!!!
He doesn’t even look at the cam himself to plea for Haleigh,why?
Jaba,Thats why he was so sure he’d pulled off the perfect crime,watch his honeymoon today show video at the end,he is smirking like hello!!!!!
He doesn’t even look at the cam himself to plea for Haleigh,why? Because he knew where the person was who took her,jmo but tooo obvious!His mugshot smirks,I can see right thru him! now!!!! jmo
Just because LE says they clear someone at a certain time does not mean they cant change that at any given minute. lol jmo
So Jaba,you think ron couldn’t pull it off but Misty could,huh? confused here,lol really!
Took him 24 min to go 17 miles with a 5 minute pit stop, right? I think those are the numbers on the ron run.
Chak,
I can see that as a possibility. That he was checking in by phone with someone.
Looking,i wonder too about why ron didn’t call tn or as? before calling tommy?
cause his mommy was sitting by PDM so his phone would ping till ron came back to work,thats imo why the phone was not answered when misty called? jmo
WHY WOULD HE NEED TO CHANGE CLOTHES jABA,hALEIGH RODE HOME IN HIS LAP?? JMO
When people clock out to leave there is usually a line up at the time clock. But we dont hear of anyone seeing him clock out.Why?
Was there even a time clock in service yet?
They were in the process of switching over, could he have left earlier than 3? That is my big question. And I believe it was why LE asked some of those questions too. jmo
Haleighs birthday is August 16th. That press release was on the 17th. It was the only one LE put out stating that to my knowledge. I wonder too CathyJo? Call the people you trust most.Right?
well,thats what he told the 1st time anyway! jmo
right Looking,exactly,why would tommy help him or tell the truth,lol
I’m not trying to be a smart ass but everyone on here types werk and I use work is that a state to state thing ?
theres a reason he told she rode in his lap?? then he changed that! jmo
I believe it is possible that Ron left before three. Tobias you are correct the time clocks were being switched out at the time.
I still hold to the theory that something happened to Haleigh before Ron went to work. More than likely an accident but Ron refused to let her be taken to a hospital because he already had enough problems with DCF.
no Cricket,thats what ron always says,everybody just started that,lol dunno why but i do it too,lol
Misty was three feet from Haleigh, so yeah, I think she could have done something to her or knows who did, imo.
I do think rons thinks he knows what happenend by the time he goes on with his slimy ‘ronsmirk’ on tv.
Who knows? I wish I did.
Cricket,quit being a smartass,rofl
LOL, Cricket, we type “werk” because in on the 911 call and on every interview that is how Ron pronounces it. He says over and over “I was at ‘werk'”
Aug. 16 isnt that the last chance plea time on Mistys court date? Wierd its also Haleighs Birthday. jmo
well,ron could pull it off,or so he thought Jaba,If Misty could theres no doubt he could…..just sayin and still jmo
I doubt highly that Ron is going to call AS and TN to go check on his girlfriend when he knows how they feel about her when she left for those three days. I do not believe that AS or TN would spirit out of bed because Ron says so considering the time and the fact they did not babysit for him in the first place that night.
hewked on fonix werked fur me! I talk hillbilly as hello myself,ask Treece,she’ll tell ya,she laughs constantly,lol
Misty has already proven that she knows what to do in an emergency. Call 911 when you get robbed buying drugs!!! She did not call her mom or Ron or her brothers first. Misty is not the leader here! She was just following someones instructions. I believe she has knowledge that could very well break this case.JMO
but i ain’t a ahamed of it,actually proud,I know a language many don’t,lol
Cj. You said ron was the man in black. Not sure what he wears to werk but I’d be surprised if it was an all black unfiorm.
We are just making fun of how Ron pronounces it, and how he says “he was just ‘werking’ to make a honest living”, like he would even know what honest was if it jumped up and bit him in the a$$.
jaba said,in June 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm Misty was three feet from Haleigh, so yeah, I think she could have done something to her or knows who did, imo.
I do think rons thinks he knows what happenend by the time he goes on with his slimy ‘ronsmirk’ on tv.
Who knows? I wish I did.
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Yep and someone had a key,the nerve to turn a light on! and knew where they were!
Lady,Like his first job wasn’t honest?? rofl
well,purple,pink,striped,if misty could pull it off,he could!there are ski masks and coveralls??
YEAH!! Tobias! I hope she tells what she knows.
someone felt safe enough in my one theory to bend down that low,hoist Haleigh out of the floor right next to Misty,no matter where or how close the beds were or weren’t!
Ron wore Dark navy blue coveralls to werk. It was reported when LE took their clothes, all of their clothes even boxers and undies.lol Hope he had on a clean pair. jmo
and used the light! and opened the door! jmo
ty Tobias,why am i not shocked? hm so he had that on when Haleigh rode home in his lap??
cause he left for work in his one version?
but another version he went in and checked the door? jmo
no skid marks,Tobias,ewwwwwwwwww did i say that,pretend i didn’t!
Darl navy blue could be mistaken as black to a very sleepy 3 year old in the wee hours of the morning, especially if there was no lighting too see very well. Turning all the lights off strikes me odd as well. They testify that Haleigh was afraid of the dark and that Jr. sometimes gets up and roams around the house. It seems some kind of lighting would be left on for the children.jmo
funny how your momma tells ya to wear clean underwear incase you have a bad accident,like they’ll be clean anyway,OMG I am going under a semi,gotta keep my drawers clean or mom will be mad! lol
Yep, it sure ‘looked’ like an abduction by the time police were called.
Misty had at 30 min before she called 911 from the time she woke up, so she says.
She could walk 2 miles in that time at a reasonable pace. What did she do for 25 minutes or so to make it look like it did. Imo
exactly Looking!!!!!!
Jaba,hmmm I am guessing calling ron who wouldn’t answer but had called her a thousand times??? jmo
BBL, storm coming.
Dunno if i believe it but even Misty said,she called him to see if maybe he’d cane home but no answer?
i had one yesterday Looking,lol
So Jaba,you believe Misty is all at fault right,am i wrong?? or what?
Just you seem to think Misty is smarter to pull it off but ron can’t?? you are losing me!! lol
if ron was all innocent,he’d have went off on Misty that very night!!!!! He wouldn’t be all hugged up to her in the yard walking around on camera?? makes not one lick of sense!!!!! jmo
perhaps thats the story ron made her tell? hmmm lol
bbl gotta go to the store,not yakkin atcha Jaba,just being fair……I use to defend ron myself,big time but now i can’t,too obvious!!!!!!! but anyhoo,having a nicotine fit,bbl
I think misty left the mh and then something happened.
I don’t believe she was sleeping through anything.
Anybody in the satsuma area COULD have done it.
I just want to see more proof he left wErk. Maybe LE does have that and they know ronnie went somewhere and figure he’s guilty but can’t find the forensics to prove it.
Maybe that’s why the d/a isn’t even talking to ron about a plea deal on his d/c’s.
Does anyone no if DCF makes their findings public ?
I don’t think he left wErk either jaba, but that is because I think he needed the solid alibi, because something happened to Haleigh before he went to wErk.
No Cricket – all DCF records are confidential and it at times even takes a court order before they will turn them over to LE.
if misty told ron she was pregnant before her weekend binge, why did she ask nay nay for a condom when she was planning on going back to ron’s?
LadySadie,
Thanks, I didn’t think so but FL. has different laws according to most states.
Cricket if DCFS is like CPS, no everything is confidentential unless it goes to a criminal trial!
Ron called her 20 times right? Not 90 or 1000.
I really don’t care who did what for what reason, I really really don’t. Just find the one or ones who killed her and I’m fine.
I don’t have a theory I am married to at this point. They all are sketchy, they all are criminal types, they are all liars and they are all scumbags…except jr and the other kids in these families.
They are thieves and liars and abusers and druggies and dealers. I don’t care which one did it. Just want proof.
m2c, you probably aren’t here anymore but if the scenario is correct (and I’m not saying that it is, just laying it out), Ron couldn’t just call LE and have them get HaLeigh back for him because LE was being bribed by JS.
amys said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
if misty told ron she was pregnant before her weekend binge, why did she ask nay nay for a condom when she was planning on going back to ron’s?
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Warning! Gonna be gross here! Because Ron told her to because he didn’t want “sloppy seconds”.
ooops, I didn’t mean bribed, I meant blackmailed by JS; he was threatening to let loose all the dirt on PCSO is what I’ve read. (And yes, that most clearly and definitely is rumor.)
WhyLie, I don’t know if I have time to make the point well but it is that I do believe there are times when children are slipping through the cracks and someone just needs to get them to a safe place. But my point is that the someone has to believe so strongly in this that s/he is willing to lay their own life on the line. I do not believe this is the case for HaLeigh. No adult known to her has gone with her to assure her safety.
Didn’t Ron kick Misty out that weekend ?
Misty was doing what most teens on drugs do.
so why does Ron,GMMS,and GMT get a free pass to be pissed about Misty .
That is a funny thing when you think about it. Ron never does say what him and Misty really fought about that day. And neither does Misty. NayNay is the only one that told that story.jmo
IF we had ALL phone records it would give us a better idea of a few things.
When Ron left the MH after LE arrived, did he take his guns with him?
Wonder if Lindsy and Hank are divorced yet, the resolution hearing was for 1:30pm today.
*meant Hank Jr (Tommy)
ewwwww on the sloppy seconds comment. thanks for the warning!
Hello guys,I have been in a bit of an IT disaster abd have not been able to be online much.
Looks like everything is about the same. I sure hope over the next few weeks we will begin
to see this unfold. I sure hope so. I often wonder if Florida is so cash strapped right now
that the investigation is going very slow due to funding or just a plain dead end.
And geez, if I could read and type at the same I might get something right, LOL. Case management conference for Lindsy and Tommy divorce is today not resolution hearing.
That weekend doesnt sound right to me, knowing what we know now I would say it was a drug run,either to buy or sell. I doubt NayNay would tell the truth about what they were really doing.jmo
LadySadie said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Wonder if Lindsy and Hank are divorced yet, the resolution hearing was for 1:30pm today.
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No there is an actual hearing not a continue.
Looks like she is going through with it. jmo
LadySadie said,in June 29th, 2010 at 2:47 pm amys said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
if misty told ron she was pregnant before her weekend binge, why did she ask nay nay for a condom when she was planning on going back to ron’s?
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Warning! Gonna be gross here! Because Ron told her to because he didn’t want “sloppy seconds”.
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LadySadie LOL couldn’t of said it better myself LOL
jaba said,in June 29th, 2010 at 2:55 pm IF we had ALL phone records it would give us a better idea of a few things
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Agree Jaba,I so wish we had those
tobias said,in June 29th, 2010 at 3:06 pm That weekend doesnt sound right to me, knowing what we know now I would say it was a drug run,either to buy or sell. I doubt NayNay would tell the truth about what they were really doing.jmo
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Agree , we can’t really think NayNay would be a reliable witness, and trust what she says
I wonder too Tobias,but all i ever HEARD was fighting over babysitting,he promised to make it easier,and according to WK i believe is her name?? it was but as fact i cannot even tell ya!
WK is JS’s mom or no Tobias,I get confused,lol
Jaba @ 2:46 – Me too.
And yes 20 calls.
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The problem is we have less to go on than LE and THEY have not solved it and we don’t even know if they ever investigated this thoroughly in the first place.
So there’s no way for us to know what happened or who did it. People can have their theories of course but we can’t know – not enough to decide for sure. IMO
Are you talking about Ruby K. she is Connies mom I am pretty sure. I still think Misty, NayNay and WBG were really on a drug run, they had to get their Coke from somewhere, we know they had plenty of people with pills but the Mexicans had coke. NayNay and WBG even stated that. Coke enough to share which makes me think they were dealing and not migrant workers like some want to believe. jmo
ues Ruby,sorry..toldya,yes her!
yes i meant sorry,was on phone with dtr too,lol
yes,in the audio i heard she tells the story of ron rolling misty into a ball,I don’t know if she’s honest or anything but just thats all i heard??
it is funny Tobias and especially when TN said they were up all night talking that one night? hth would she know other than chit chat but its the way she said it,like it was a huge thing! jmo
LadySadie said,in June 29th, 2010 at 2:47 pm amys said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
if misty told ron she was pregnant before her weekend binge, why did she ask nay nay for a condom when she was planning on going back to ron’s?
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Warning! Gonna be gross here! Because Ron told her to because he didn’t want “sloppy seconds”.
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Lady,he told Cobra that a good F and a half had nuttin to do with Haleigh missing,so I assume all ron cared about was winning,and marrying her to prove she’d rather be with him,ron is so transparent imo now!
Cathy, Like ron is gonna tell her Misty went on a drug run for him and now she is back.loljmo
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right,lol exactly!!
he still has tn convinced he got the witch in a cell and is going to prison himself for Haleigh,sheeeeeeeeeeesh
he still has tn convinced he got the witch in a cell and is going to prison himself for Haleigh,sheeeeeeeeeeesh
well,rather thats what they want us to believe,jmo
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 2:31 pm Jaba,hmmm I am guessing calling ron who wouldn’t answer but had called her a thousand times??? jmo
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Gee whiz Jaba,have you ever heard of a figure of speech?
Like i believe he called 1000!
jaba said,in June 29th, 2010 at 2:46 pm Ron called her 20 times right? Not 90 or 1000.
like i said before,one err is all it takes,
As previously released, it is very unlikely that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. Evidence and information obtained during this investigation indicate a strong likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the result of foul play by someone known to Misty Croslin and/or Ronald Cummings. There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. Investigators still believe that Misty Croslin holds important answers in this case. She still refuses to provide any sort of detailed accounting of the hours during the late evening and early morning of Haleigh’s disappearance. Furthermore, physical evidence at the scene contradicts Misty’s sketchy account of her evening activities. Investigators ask that anyone with direct knowledge of Misty’s activities during that evening of February 9, 2009, or into the early morning of February 10, 2009, is encouraged to report that information to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. Information may be submitted by calling Northeast Crime Stoppers at (888) 277-TIPS (8477), or e-mailing the information to haleigh@putnamsheriff.org.
http://www.pcso.us/2010-2-9-a
and Jaba,whho said anything about he buried Haleigh? not once have i ever said that!
if you have a bone with me get it out but don’t badger me over a figure of speech?
CathyJo- Is NayNay’s sister in a Juvie program?
really Alex?????? I didn’t know that!
20 times in my opinion is somewhat normal for these two after her leaving. 90 sounds much much worse to me.
Yeah, I think I can figure u didn’t mean 1000 calls but that sounds like you think he called her the 90 times.
Wish we had the phone records.
Also, if u want to save us 30 or so characters of refresh time, just shoot your q’s at me in one post and I can respond in one and sve a little time. 🙂
oh is she,rofl i dunno,I am blind as a bat Alex,thought you were telling me,lol
I got more time than i do money Jaba! don’t bother me!
No, I’m asking if she is! If she is the Kelly that was with the 5, shouldn’t she have been taken into custody too!
just how I am,I talk to yall just like if i was beside ya at home,just me!
hmmm who was the girl who was in the car when Misty left her purse after they were arrested?
Remember,she said she took off!!!?
you’d think so Alex!
Misty told Hank too,if you remember,that everybody in rons family took pills too?
That was way before all this other crap!
brb phone
I’m talking about the undercover sting, there was a minor during one of the drug deals and her name was kelly! She should be as guilty as any of the rest of them because surely LE didn’t use her as CI!
hmmm I hadn’t thought about it Alex,I heard ppl discussing it here but just didn’t know enough about it,lol
Well he did something with Haleigh if he’s guilty. I don’t think ron could have stashed her in a safehouse all this time.
No one is picking at you. If you think that then I’ll stop responding to your posts. Its not worth the aggravation of explaining my self about that. We are here to discuss. If you don’t like the way I write, then you and I can bypass each other. No disrespect intended to you, at all.
When you ‘welcome’ and ‘attack’ in a post I think you set yourself up to read more into anothers writings to you the wrong way. Imo of course. I don’t know.
Oh I see Jaba,to save you time,ok will do,I won’t take up your time but i got plenty as you can see!
No Jaba,you sit and wait for someone to make a mistake,especially when they don’t agree with your opinion,and you pick over little things if thats all they give,but ty,now you won’t consider me rude when i avoid you!
CathyJo63 said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
hmmm who was the girl who was in the car when Misty left her purse after they were arrested?
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RC’s aunt, Katrina Belcher is who MC was talking about in one of the jailhouse tapes.
if thats aggravation,then I will steer clear!
thought it was a discussion about Haleigh!
yep,thats It Lilly,TY!
Its not just my time but I appreciate you thinking it over.
Refresh for a lot of us goes way up on these articles becasue they are so popular. Just trying to bring those down if we can. It may be futile with how we all participate passionatley.
Alexandria Loring said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
I’m talking about the undercover sting, there was a minor during one of the drug deals and her name was kelly! She should be as guilty as any of the rest of them because surely LE didn’t use her as CI!
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Kelly Dodd
CathyJo63 said,in June 28th, 2010 at 5:05 pm I wonder if its true that Haleighs hair was found in the yellow rope?
I DO NOT KNOW BUT I READ IT,SO I AM ONLY ASKING?
jaba said,in June 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm Who’s the source for HC’s hair on rope?
CathyJo63 said,in June 28th, 2010 at 5:15 pm SEE JABA,
i Am askeert to even ask a question anymore,lol
CathyJo63 said,in June 28th, 2010 at 5:05 pm I wonder if its true that Haleighs hair was found in the yellow rope? I DO NOT KNOW BUT I READ IT,SO I AM ONLY ASKING?
jaba said,in June 28th, 2010 at 5:18 pm And my question was what was the source? Read it where to be more specific, I guess?
CathyJo63 said,in June 28th, 2010 at 5:20 pm to be more specific that link,lol
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See what I mean Jaba,you do this constantly to me!
Though i asked a ? and capped that i only read it……did not say a source as fact!
You did it obviously hounding me about me bringing Misty home with me,what were the pans,come on girl!
Well,I still try to get along with you Jaba,because we all have bad days,we all mistakes but every chance you get you badger me till I constan;y worry about my speech? and thats just the truth!
plan’s’
not pans!
Regarding other family members doping up with Oxy…TN said she took them for some kind of pain in an interview. We know Hank accused Ron of getting him hooked on them. With everyone doped, how can you take proper care of children? With everyone doped little children can be accidently harmed. With everyone doped little children can be kidnapped unexpectedly and easily.
You are right. Here for Haleigh, not worrying about others misreading the intent of your written word when posing a question or comment about what they have brought up.
I try and think before I type and send what the person could have meant a bunch of different ways and respond to what I think they mean with an optimistic view that all they were doing is participating in the conversation.
I also think I can read between the lines, so, all in all, I just don’t take anything other than personal attacks, than just thoughts typed by a fellow blogger who I may or may not agree with on the facts.
We do digress from Haleigh talk quite a bit here when we want or need a good laugh, so its also about the bloggers here. We just need, imo, to not be so sensitive unless its a direct attack on who you are as a person. Jmo
Shock,Hank accused Ron of trying to kill him with a pill too?? jmo,lol
right Shock,Just like all of them were,they never had a chance,neither did Haleigh and Jr! jmo
bingo Jaba,Now practice what you preach,My intention was not to hurt you,I have tried but I am fed up now! jmo sorry!
We have no way of knowing if the underage Kelly was arrested or not. As a juvenile her records would be sealed and not subject to the Sunshine Laws.
I asked about you bringing misty home when you said you were seriously willing.
Why couldn’t I ask what the plan was? A job? A bedroom? Therapy? I figured you had thought it through. I have no doubt whatsoever you could help her by her being around you, but I figured you knew it would take more than a confidence in yourself to be able too.
yes Lady,right!!
Jaba said,
but I figured you knew it would take more than a confidence in yourself to be able too.
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You are just plain rude Jaba,I will tell ya something,do you think if i was going to do it,I would actually tell the ww w my plans when everyones out to get her anyway,do you really believe I’d give all that info but i was trying to be nice and you kept badgering me!!!!!!!!!!
ya know Jaba,I learned from my husbands murder not to be so trusting,so yea I’ll put all Mistys info out there?
Its a moot point however, misty has a limo waiting for her post trial. 🙂
Well LadieSadie, maybe when you & TM39 go to Putnam County, you can stop by and see how Kelly is!lol! I want to go with you so badly, if only I didn’t live so far away!
Just droppin in. No time to read every post, but noticed someone said they would take a child away from a bad situation and hide them, then take their chances, but if caught, serve the consequences…WHAT?
Seriously, this is not rational thinking. It is a felony crime. You can’t just go ‘take’ someone’s kid and hide them away. Scary…
Anyway, M2C, I agree, it would be MG, possibly JS and Chad, that were behind it. They don’t give a crap what happens to anyone in this whole thing. I’m sure they all do a lot of the thinking for CS…she is brain dead in my opinion.
I don’t think they’d have even told cs if they did it,lol
JenM said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
CS…she is brain dead in my opinion.
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Agreed, how else can you explain why she was with Ronbo?
I know that wishing Haleigh is in a safe place, alive, is what everyone would like right now.
Just like in any crime, there are those that think about committing it and those who actually act on it.
Thinking of being able to put Haliegh in a safe place and protecting her is a whole lot different than actually doing it in a way that commits a crime.
Right Jen,and lets be honest,they didn’t protect her when they had her the way it looks now!So I doubt they’d stretch that far! jmo
I don’t think anyone ever protected Haleigh, heck bloggers that never met her care more about her than anyone in her “family” ever did.
I don’t believe that S/G had anything to do with this. I don’t see them all that interested in the children… especially their own, and NOT to the extreme of pulling this off.
I know NayNay has issues, but if I had to believe in anything that has transpired, it would be what NayNay/WBG has said. Dope heads or not, what the hell would be their need to lie. They’ve admitted what they were up to, WBG’s mother corroborated the “chance” meeting of her son/Misty.
LadySadie@ %:01pm- Never a truer word was said!
True too Lady,jmo
Right Adams,100%!!!!!!!
So Jaba,imo….I passed the first test,to protect her? Did I not? it’s more than her own did!
right,Adams imo too,even tn and as didn;t want too,thats why they got made b/c she left rom? jmo
cent, I agree. I don’t see the S/G’s that interested in the children either. My theory is based partly on motives like their interest in money and getting R in trouble so they’d get Jr and revenge.
I think you are right there with others who want to help her. I don’t know if that’s a test of any sort, but, the intention is certianly admirable.
I see folks saying they want to help this one or that one on a bunch of places on the net where someone is in need but rarely do I see measurable follow through.
We did see it here a littlw while back when a couple of posters got together to send out some medical stuff to another poster.
As far as “protecting” the children, I’m not sure what is meant. Protect them from being around drugs? Both families and both parents were drug users. Same with the Croslins. It’s their way of life. And it is for a lot of families.
Chloe and Jr are still in an environment that is like that. Although Chad’s out of the picture now I think.
either way Jaba,I take that as a compliment,
and you should know by now if I say it I mean it in that regard,If i thought i could do it and do it right I’d go for it,but if i thought i’d goof on any one thing,even something minor I’d back away,an ant hill is as big as a mountain in a matter such as that one!
jaba I don’t think there is much any one or all of us strangers can do to help Haleigh – except keep the pressure on LE and not accept anything but proof. As to helping Chloe and Jr, all we can do is pressure DCFS to keep a close watch on them so they know we’re watching and if anything happens to the kids there will be heck to pay.
Otherwise we stand a better chance to help kids thru programs and organizations in our own communities. There are LOTS of things that can be done according to each person’s abilities and interests.
chad is m2? wow
Sometimes i blame the system,imo if cs wanted them she would have cleaned up her acts yrs ago,but didn’t!
But only because Haleigh was taken now suddenly everyone forced her to keep jr basically,so how is that good for any one of them?
jmo.I never heard her say or show any proof she wanted him?? It was just thrown on her lap…….jmo
and that is just as bad!
m2c said,in June 29th, 2010 at 5:17 pm As far as “protecting” the children, I’m not sure what is meant. Protect them from being around drugs? Both families and both parents were drug users. Same with the Croslins. It’s their way of life. And it is for a lot of families.
Chloe and Jr are still in an environment that is like that. Although Chad’s out of the picture now I think.
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Agree completly, wasn’t Chad also a step brother? so they break up but still have to see each other at family functions , awkward….LOL
Thats why imo she failed the drug test after she got custody of him back??
She doesn’t want to be a mommy! even tho she has Chloe! but Chloes dad was there too!
Nobody asked her,she don’t wanna say No i don’t want custody after Haleighs gone missing?? what would people think?? jmo
right M2,OMG but they’re not blood siblings but imo that could still be a hairy situation,lol
my brothers are no blood to me either but no way Jose’! lol but this is different ppl,lol
and to be honest,I’d have more respect for Crystal if she said she didn’t than to keep him and not want too and atleast it would be honest and better for Jr! jmo
m2c, The one thing I see that the S/G’s may have been trying to protect HaLeigh from is sexual abuse. Other than that, in her particular situation, I see her as a weapon in a very sad and wrong war.
agree CathyJo , I think they all have children and don’t change their lives to take responsibility for them
Jaba, you are too funny!! That is a compliment., I hope. This room needs a break.. Those that can stand let’s all do the wave. Those who can not- keep typing. I care because I do. God bless Haleigh.
I have respect for all bloggers. If they do or don’t agree.
I pray because I can. I will. I do.
Thank you Simon and Jan for keeping an open door when things get outa sorts!!
How old were Crystal and Chad when their parents got together?
Exactly Right Chakra,jmo but i soooo think she didn’t!!
o lordy Cate,no idea,lol
😈 LOL, at least when Chloe goes to visit the grandparents there isn’t a fight over which “side” gets her for which holiday, its all the same place 😈
lol LadySadie!! (although there is gpa JS & Connie, too, and probably Chad’s mom and her new man so she still has more than the biological allotment)
But she gets gyped on presents, only one set of grandparents!
LadySadie – ROFLMBO Too funny LOL
It’s just that if Chad and Crystal were over age sixteen or so then it isn’t that wierd for them to be together at some point; besides, Crystal was off living with Ron from age 14…
LOL Lady..GOOD ONE,LOL
Right Cate,lol when Marie let her go visit ron for the weekend and he just never brought her back and she never saw crystal for the next 2 yrs,lol takes all kinds to shake the earth I guess,lol
Given the ages of the kids and all the rest of the drama, and Crystal living with TN…. Crystal and Chad were not under the same roof!
right Adamms,I remeber i heard you say that before,well saw you type it rather,lol 😉
If Chad and Crystal have split and since they lived on Griffis property together, how did they work that, just add another trailer on the property for the other one? Doesn’t seem like either of them were willing to take care of themselves, just lived off whatever handouts their parents tossed their way.
Yea, yea, I know I am being wicked and bad this evening. I’ll “try” to be nicer (or not). 😛
OMG,talk about a feud! never thought of that!
Lady,wow!
Squatters rights,lol??
I know mg said,I know where Chad was at,he lives 500 ft in front of me” lol so o boyyyyyyy
Jaba, I so agree with what you are saying, gosh I have posted the same thoughts several times, I do believe it is incumbent on all of us, to write just one letter or send an email to DCSF, requesting little RC jr is in a healthy environment. That little boy has not only grown up with the dysfunction of a family drug addicted home life, but also he has lived thru the loss of his sister and now his father……… I hope it goes without saying, paramount to me is for precious HaLeigh to be found, albeit her remains or in a best case scenario, she is alive and living with another family.. (and no i don’t believe anyone has a right to steal or take a child)
I still cannot comprehend how a little girl in kindergarten is close to be expelled due to attendance, her mother has no idea of whom her daughter’s physician is or when HaLeigh has doctor appts., the father incapable of just getting his daughter to school on time. None of these children deserved such a life, and we can agree to disagree, but in my opinion, neither did the generation before them..
A child is left in the care of a man whose daughter was kidnapped/killed, has a record of drug arrest, his emplyment is a hit and miss, left his child with extended family, yet his own mother was not able to raise RC, and this is a better situation than being with the bio mom?? I understand she had drug issues as well, yet after HaLeigh went missing, people sent her money, one paid her 12K in back child support, she still couldnt regain or be rewarded custody of Junior until RC was in jail for his latest charge?? And where is TN in this picture? My mother would have given her life for any of us children, and with her grandchildren, she would knock down anyone that got in her way of the grandkids…….
Again just more questions, no answers…..
I don’t understand any of this. Not a clue.
Don’t go out of your way to be nice to me,rofl j/k could not resist!
We’d all fight a bear in the woods at night Jen for our’s I am sure,Gosh my brain was fried from drugs too at one time and still sometimes i wonder,lol but I still wouldn’t have gave up mine!
They’re all about as useful as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest,jmo tho,lol
LadySadie said,in June 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm JenM said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
CS…she is brain dead in my opinion.
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Agreed, how else can you explain why she was with Ronbo?
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Substitute the words “her own step brother Chad” for Ronbo and you’ve got my agreement.
lol Me
Jnet, it is all beyond my understanding also.
:idk:
Me, they’re more screwed up than the kids on different strokes……jeeez
Shoot my idk (i don’t know) code doesn’t work in word press. 🙁
Beautiful*Adams (cent) said,in June 29th, 2010 at 5:01 pm I don’t believe that S/G had anything to do with this. I don’t see them all that interested in the children… especially their own, and NOT to the extreme of pulling this off.
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I think the Sheffields/Griffis possibly had something to do with this, but not because they were “interested” in Haleigh, rather, because they were interested in money.
And I’d really like to know where Chad Reynolds is???? How did they write him off as a suspect so quickly when this fits right in with his modus operandi.
and revenge too Me!! jmo
Maybe this is where CathyJo read about HaLeigh’s hair in the yellow rope. Just another speculation.
**yellow Rope** with HaLeigh’s HAIR in it most likely is what was found in the River along with the 2 cinder blocks.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=507681472&blogId=532783550
God,knows they had plenty motive..jmo
The Sheffield/Griffis had LOTS of motivation to do something like this… money, revenge, keep Crystal away from Ronbo… did JS have a grudge against PCSO regarding his reassignment to a desk job? In that case, throw in PCSO grudge…
It sure is weird about Chad R!!Somebody earlier today,may have been Alex but they said a body was found this morning so who knows,anybody know who it was? or if le knows who it is yet? jmo
Yes, the Chad Reynolds possible connection is really interesting. Has anyone connected Chad Reynolds to Ronbo or TomMe or Timmy or…? Similar ages, could have been in each others’ “social networks.”
CathyJo, it was me that posted about the body found in Satsuma, has been identified as 33-year-old Zenovia King. His family said he was last seen Tuesday, but they had waited to report him missing until Saturday.
Was there another body found today down in the Satsuma area? They found a body on Saturday/yesterday, was that of an african american male.
Whoever got Haleigh, IMOO it is a lady who is in her late 20’s to early/middle 30’s and has children, children that Haleigh is familiar around.
oh,ok Lady,sorry I didn’t remember it was you! lol but Thanks!!
huh LadyDay,what makes you think so,not being rude,lol just very curious about your comment of someone in their 20’s??
LadySadie,
Is that any special info out ?
CathyJo63 said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
It sure is weird about Chad R!!Somebody earlier today,may have been Alex but they said a body was found this morning so who knows,anybody know who it was? or if le knows who it is yet? jmo
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Body Found in Wooded Area in Putnam County Identified as Zenovia King
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=157937&catid=3
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=742210&IMG=53683
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=749274&IMG=53683
LadyDay, yes, very interesting comment about “whoever got HaLeigh,” please elaborate!!
Lday, who does that put in the ‘suspect pool’?
On JVM, they are comparing Kyron’s case to HaLeigh’s.
Cate aka Kate, I think what you said is what is so very confusing and convoluted in this case…….. it appears all had culpability, a life style that put a rat in the mailbox, internal family feuds with restraining orders back and forth, and assumed all of that was normal. To kill a child tho, I can’t imagine anyone on the Cummings/Croslin side to have that type of anger or hatred. I do believe their life style does and has destroyed the ability to be a healthy functioning member of society, but to kill precious HaLeigh, unless they were doing a whole lot more heavy drugs other than hydrocodones, and truly using oxy or heroin, I just cant see them doing such an insidious act of taking a little girl’s life. This all is over my head, or comprehension.
Sorry Cate I meant that I agree with you and just went on with my comments, I am sorry my first sentence did not read that way.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Haleigh case, I just made a comment this morning that when I went to read the St. Augustine Record this morning I almost had a heart attack because that was the first Headline I saw – Body found in Satsuma Identified -. Then CathyJo just asked if the person had been identified. Just answering her question.
Again it has absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh, just a little side chat.
LadyDay, Are you thinking out of state, a bit further north?
LadySadie said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Haleigh case, I just made a comment this morning that when I went to read the St. Augustine Record this morning I almost had a heart attack because that was the first Headline I saw – Body found in Satsuma Identified -. Then CathyJo just asked if the person had been identified. Just answering her question.
Again it has absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh, just a little side chat.
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That we know of so far!
BAC,
Kyron’s dad filed for divorce and got a RO.
Lillymae said,in June 29th, 2010 at 6:48 pm LadySadie said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Haleigh case, I just made a comment this morning that when I went to read the St. Augustine Record this morning I almost had a heart attack because that was the first Headline I saw – Body found in Satsuma Identified -. Then CathyJo just asked if the person had been identified. Just answering her question.
Again it has absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh, just a little side chat.
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That we know of so far!
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maybe he dated lyndsy?
Cricket,
Yes, I know. Not liking where this is leading!
Lillymae said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
LadySadie said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
It has absolutely nothing to do with the Haleigh case, I just made a comment this morning that when I went to read the St. Augustine Record this morning I almost had a heart attack because that was the first Headline I saw – Body found in Satsuma Identified -. Then CathyJo just asked if the person had been identified. Just answering her question.
Again it has absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh, just a little side chat.
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That we know of so far!
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True, but I don’t think that everything that happens in Putnam County has to do with Haleigh.
Funny OJ, I liked that comment 😉
maybe who dated Lindsy Oj? lol sorry but i am confused!
OJ- Too Funny!
Not gonna touch that one OJ!
the man they found in the woods cathy
ohhhhhhhh,rofl I see now!!!!!! 😳
he prolly caught the clap then and died from that,rofl
LadySadie said
True, but I don’t think that everything that happens in Putnam County has to do with Haleigh
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True, I do not recall saying that. I believe what I said was that we know of so far.
However a lot of what happens in Putnam has to do with drugs and the person (King) whose body they discovered had something to do with drugs. Look at his jail records. Also there may be a connection between King and McLeod, who has a connection to Lookado, a relative of WBG.
I cannot believe i just said that but still jmo,lol
Oj, This none of my bussiness and I’m sure you’ll let me no that if you want to, but why do you have such a strong beleif about Misty ?
I agree with what you say about her but I,just
never run across anyone with such strong beleif
about someone on a blog.
oman Lilly,reasonable doubt?? o lord!
Reasonable doubt of what though CathyJo??
UCN: 542010CF000144XXAXMX
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: TRIAL
Defense Atty: SHOEMAKER, TERRY J
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias: No Alias Records
Date # Docket Description
01/21/2010 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. T CAMPBELL (1/14/10)
01/21/2010 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
01/21/2010 1 TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE MORE THAN 28 GRAMS
01/21/2010 2 WARRANT ISSUED – BOND SET AT $250,000.00
01/22/2010 3 ARREST REPORT – 1/20/2010
01/22/2010 3 BOOKING NUMBER: 10-00276
01/22/2010 3 BOND SET AT $250,000.00
01/22/2010 4 ORDER TO TRANSPORT DEFENDANT TO FLAGLER COUNTY
01/22/2010 4 FROM PUTNAM COUNTY, FLORIDA
01/22/2010 5 MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE OF
01/22/2010 5 BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS
01/22/2010 5 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 ORDER REQUIRING PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
01/22/2010 6 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 6 PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS RELEASE ON BAIL
01/22/2010 7 ORDER TO TRANSPORT DEFENDANT TO FLAGLER COUNTY
01/22/2010 7 FROM PUTNAM COUNTY, FLORIDA
01/22/2010 8 MOTION FOR PROTECTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
01/22/2010 8 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS
01/22/2010 8 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 9 ORDER REQUIRING PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
01/22/2010 9 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL (NEBBIA HEARING)
01/22/2010 9 PRIOR TO DEFENDANTS RELEASE ON BAIL
01/22/2010 10 FELONY WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
02/03/2010 11 INFORMATION – TRAFFICKING IN HYDROCODONE (28G – 30KG)
02/03/2010 12 MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE FOR TRIAL
02/05/2010 13 NOTICE OF APPEARNCE FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER
02/05/2010 14 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY
02/09/2010 15 ORDER TO CONSOLIDATE
02/10/2010 16 STATE’S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT
02/10/2010 17 WITNESS LIST
02/10/2010 18 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE
02/11/2010 19 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-18-2010) IN JAIL
02/11/2010 20 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (02-18-2010)
02/17/2010 21 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENT,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, AND DEMAND
02/17/2010 21 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (FAX)
02/18/2010 22 ORDER SETTING CASE FOR PRETRIAL 03/31/2010
02/19/2010 23 WAIVER OF ARRAIGNMENE,PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, AND DEMAND
02/19/2010 23 FOR JURY TRIAL FILED BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER (ORIGINAL)
02/23/2010 24 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03-31-2010) IN JAIL
02/23/2010 25 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)
03/03/2010 26 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
03/17/2010 27 NOTICE OF UNAVAILABILITY
03/29/2010 28 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
03/31/2010 29 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
03/31/2010 29 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
03/31/2010 29 CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
04/07/2010 30 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05-13-2010) IN JAIL
04/07/2010 31 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (05-13-2010)
04/26/2010 32 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 33 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:30 PM
05/06/2010 33 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND
05/06/2010 34 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 05/07/2010 AT 2:00 PM
05/06/2010 34 STATE’S MOTION FOR PRODUCTION AND DISCLOSURE OF SOURCE
05/06/2010 34 OF BAIL PREMIUM AND COLLATERAL PRIOR TO DEFENDANT’S
05/06/2010 34 RELEASE ON BAIL (NEBBIA HEARING)
05/07/2010 35 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (FAX)(BOND HEARING)
05/10/2010 36 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING(FAX)(NEBBIA HEARING)
05/10/2010 37 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (ORIGINAL)(NEBBIA)
05/10/2010 38 NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (ORIGINAL)(BOND)
05/13/2010 39 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY TERRY J SHOEMAKER
05/13/2010 39 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
05/13/2010 39 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 07/19/2010
05/13/2010 40 ORDER SETTING TRIAL DATE 07/19/2010 AND LAST CHANCE
05/13/2010 40 PLEA DAY 07/09/2010
05/21/2010 41 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-19-2010) IN JAIL
05/21/2010 42 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-19-2010)
05/28/2010 43 LETTER FROM ANNETTE SYKES
06/15/2010 44 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST
06/28/2010 45 MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE
What did the guy die from, has it been said?
There are fewer than 75,000 people in Putnam County, FL, so “six degrees of separation” should be reduced to 2 or 3, not to hard to connect anyone to anyone else in a sparsely populated place.
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Case Status: TRIAL
UCN: 542010CF000145XXAXMX
06/28/2010 43 MOTION TO CONTINUE
UCN: 542010CF000144XXAXMX
06/28/2010 45 MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE
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06/28/2010 45 MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE
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Oh sorry Lady,was just thinking out loud how the guys body was found in Satsuma and includes drugs,lol reasonable maybe he took Haleigh? another Kronk?????????
a dead kronk rather?
Cate (aka Kate) Putnam County is also 827 square miles so that is a sparsely populated area spread over a large land mass, so it is not like everyone is living on top of each other.
Date Docket Description
04/28/2010 001.CIVIL COVER SHEET
04/28/2010 002.PETITION FOR DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE
04/30/2010 003.SUMMONS ISSUED TO: HANK CROSLIN
04/30/2010 004.FILING FEE RECEIPT
05/10/2010 005.RTN OF SVC ON HANK CROSLIN SVD 05/03/10 DUE 05/23/10
05/10/2010 DEFAULT AVAIL 05/28/10
05/10/2010 006.RESPONSE TO SUMMONS : HANK CROSLIN
06/02/2010 007.NOTICE OF CASE MGMT CONFERENCE 06/29/10 AT 01:30
06/29/2010 008.FAMILY COURT MINUTES
06/29/2010 009.CASE MGMT ORDER : HEARING 07/20/10 AT 11:00
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php
hello to all…
no news on HaLeigh I guess? The Kyron case has picked up speed. My guess there will be a conclusion soon…
what is it with people that JUST CAN’T stay married? No offense, to anyone that has been married, divorced, etc… but when you throw kids in the mix? It is just not a BRADY BUNCH life….
Hello LifeIsSometimesMiserable,lol j/k
just saw your nic and that rolled off my tongue,lol
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 6:18 pm and revenge too Me!! jmo
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Yep. Revenge, rather than searching for Haleigh, became their top priority very quickly, imo.
as soon as i sat it rather,lol
Should have said “one of their top priorities”….the other being money, of course.
dang sure did Me!!!! jmo
Me,She didn’t even have custody,how was it a hardship to cs? Good Lord!!!!!! and out taking money! pfffffft
I don’t like ron one dang bit but if anybody should have got donations he should’ve! jmo
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 29th, 2010 at 6:29 pm Yes, the Chad Reynolds possible connection is really interesting. Has anyone connected Chad Reynolds to Ronbo or TomMe or Timmy or…? Similar ages, could have been in each others’ “social networks.”
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I don’t think there is any connection with any of the families, however, Reynolds did have relatives in the area and his last child victim was from there. And, she was assaulted with another child sleeping in the room, and parents sleeping in the house.
buncha Quacks! jmo
well imo ron and him had a connection,both want little girls!jmo
Researching and goggling one will find that there was not 827 square miles within this community where these people reside and congregate. imo
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the county has a total area of 827 square miles (2,142 km²), of which, 722 square miles (1,870 km²) of it is land and 105 square miles (273 km²) of it (12.73%) is water.
LARRY KING IS RETIRING THIS FALL!!!!
He is going to start going to his son’s ball games…
Larry is like seriously OLD!!!!
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 7:51 pm Me,She didn’t even have custody,how was it a hardship to cs? Good Lord!!!!!! and out taking money! pfffffft
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Exactly. Or a job. Yet she and Marie started shaking the tin can within hours of arriving. That is why I will forever be suspicious of them unless/until we find out someone else is responsible.
Exactly right Me,it’s disgusting!!!!
Iloves,it shocked me bad enough to hear he has an 8 yr old son! jeeeeezus help us all,He looks like a candle burnt at both ends!
His skin is so stretched!
ILoves,lol by the looks of him he might die by this fall??? not funny but sory…….ROFLMAO!
Me,I honestly don’t see how they could do that?? Collecting money and they didn’t raise her!
Well, it would be my bet that Larry King’s son will have a better chance than the poor children of the group of young people that we are currently discussing, jmo.
When did Ron & Crystal split up?
LIB, the Brady bunch were a mixed family of step kids LOL or were you thinking of the Waltons?? 🙂
Only a bit of humor my friends. This case has so many avenues, persons of interest, we know the drugs and lives we can’t comprehend, we are united in wanting some closure for this precious child……… it is day by day. My heart aches for all of the families that have know this baby since her birth, and those that loved her unconditionally whether they were biologically connected or not.
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 8:14 pm Me,I honestly don’t see how they could do that?? Collecting money and they didn’t raise her!
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Yep. I totally agree. Not only did she not raise her, but she refused to support her, and went on to have another child when she couldn’t support the ones she already had.
Jnet said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
My heart aches for all of the families that have know this baby since her birth, and those that loved her unconditionally whether they were biologically connected or not.
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Problem is Jnet, who would that be? Seems like there was no one fitting that description until she went missing and then it is strangers on blogs.
Cathy Jo
Have you been keeping up with the KYRON HORMAN case? I think the step mother knows more than she is saying. The father has now filed for divorce.
cricket: sure you can ask..I know how LE operates, they lied about me under oath and falsified evidence. Look at the rodney king video to see how LE really is when they think no one is watching.
No KyMom,sorry but I haven’t but Its peaking my interest!
I have to say what Renolds did has a close comparison to what happend if Misty was asleep.All but the child he molested being taken.I kept up on him to start with,untill he went missing.Cant remember the actual time his mother said he left his home,in another county.2hr drive i believe from Puynam.
I know the car he was driving,was left on the Marion co line.He left a uncashed check (work check) behind. That someone said they spoke to him by phone.Not his mother.How do we really know he wasnt the one who took her,crime sounds close to what what was said to have happened.Can LE be accurate his time of leaving,an exactly where he was at the night/morning HaLiegh went missing? I wonder if he knew any of the ones in Jail,or their friends?
This little boy who is school age is missing. His step mother took him to school one morning for a science fair. And she says she left him at school after the fair but no one saw him after the fair. She has now took 2 poly’s and today father files for divorce. So it makes me think she failed the poly’s.
Jan57,
I totally agree. Reynolds was a guy who had no qualms about breaking into motor homes with people sleeping inside for the purpose of assaulting young girls. And he’s already done it in that neighborhood once. Unbelievable that LE gave him a pass without even interviewing him or discovering his whereabouts on the night in question. Crazy stuff.
And OT…hope your tests are going well and that your health is good.
LadySadie, In all honesty, I don’t know who those people are, because it seems so many failed her, whether it was family or CPS or the school district. I am sure I sound silly, but it is important to me to think that many did love her while she was in school, or daycare or the neighborhood….. you know how we all take a child in, the one whose parents are too busy… I pray in her short life she had love, hope and dreams. Her short life is so hard for me to accept, and I admit I do have a lot of anger for the adults (okay only some were adults)that did not put that babies life in front of their own selfish desires or addictions. I am sorry, it breaks my heart, and sometimes so difficult to be objective, because to me the greatest gift from God is our children, and unfortunately some that pray daily for a child, their prayers are never answered. To see such disregard for these children is gut wrenching for me, I’m sorry. And I include TC LC CC Hank jr all in this cycle, that I pray will change.
omg KyMom,shewww I didn’t know about that……….But yea I’d say he knows something,see?? ron could learn a lesson,ya get rid of em when they lie,not marry em,lol jmo
Ky Mom,
I really don’t get why they even bother with LDTs in the USA anymore…they are so unreliable. What ever happened to conducting investigations and gathering evidence that is ADMISSIBLE in a court of law instead of stuff that isn’t?
Are there any other countries that still use these things other than the USA?
Don’t get me wrong, it the stepmother did it, I want her to face justice. But a LDT gets them nowhere. They need real evidence, not unreliable stuff.
well not that I think Misty lied,lol just saying if he’d suspected Misty at first,we wouldn’t be so hard on his dumb arse! jmo
Me,I imagine its a good tool just to weed out some and who to press down on for answers,jmo
Jnet, I so agree with all you said. It breaks my heart that Haleigh’s own family (from all sides), put their own wants/addictions/”fun” before the life of a precious child, and have been doing so for several generations. Many, many of us have come for dysfunctional families (and for some of us, myself included severe dysfunction) but found a way to break the cycle, it seems that there was not one member of Haleigh’s family willing to break that cycle and each seemed to be trying to out do the other in making it worse.
CathyJo,
With it’s accuracy being only slightly better than chance, I think it is far more dangerous to use it than not use it. It sends LE in the wrong direction almost half the time. I can’t help but think Jessica Lunsford would still be alive had her grandfather not agreed to take one. Very sad.
“Me” I think we are in the minority here, Don’t LDTs have a 60% rating of accuracy with all kinds of caveats, ie. no drugs in the system, no high blood pressure or anxiety disorders, not administered to a child due to hormones (hello Misty) basically you are looking at a 50/50 chance of passing or failing. And that is innocent or not in the best of circumstances. The LDTs mean nothing to me in this case. Other than the innuendo and what TC or MC has said on jail tapes I have yet to find or read the results from this entire group’s LDTs, from officials, and I doubt we ever will because as you said they are not scientific as acceptable in the state of law. You also have to go question by question to get a true insight of what was pass/fail in the best of circumstances.
Good evening all,
I read this article a while ago and I found it kind of interesting regarding Ronalds neighbor. I found it odd that the dogs kept going to this womans dock on the St. Johns. I looked up Tracy Phillips on Florida Corrections and found a Julie Uphold who used this name and about 8 others as aliases. May be two different people, but still I wonder why the dogs went to her dock.
Article:
Authorities said they searched roughly 100 houses of those who would allow them entry.
Tracy Phillips lives next to Cummings’ mobile home and said officers with police dogs walked the 200 or so yards from Cummings’ home to her dock on the St. Johns three times
She said investigators asked to search her house and went through every room, including closets.
Phillips said she didn’t know Cummings, his girlfriend or children, who had not lived in the neighborhood long.
Well Me,then I’ll take your word for that,you always pretty much know about everything like that and research and stuff and I don’t know the first thing about it,just what others tell me,lol
It seems that something change after RC & MC’s fight and MC’s three day binge.
Was it not reported that MC went and took MC’s clothes to Nay Nay’s mother’s house at some point. And Nay Nay’s mother told RC that MC was in her house asleep. Has that proven to be factual?
And as far as WBG (habitual criminal)I would not trust him in no shape or form. He should have been serving prison time a long time ago (under the prison cement floors).
WBG sends off my hinky meter.
JNet,
ITA. LE may as well flip a coin if they want to rely on them. LE know they are unreliable, but that didn’t stop them from calling Jessica’s father their suspect. Poor man was labelled a sick paedophile all over the internet….until they discovered someone else had her and had killed her while they were busy focusing on him, all because they used an entirely unreliable tool as the basis of their investigation. I can’t help but think that has also happened here.
Sorry, should have said Jessica’s grandfather, not father.
I am sorry for what you have gone thru LadieSadie, it is so very sad. However I applaud you for breaking the cycle and making life so much different for your children from what you knew as a child, what a testament to you and your convictions. I think that is a reason all of us are here, we have our own personal pain, different from the other, that makes HaLeigh tug at our hearts.
Bless your heart, SL take good care and wishing you all a good night!!
Wouldnt it be strange if this King guy they found dead was the one who talked to Ron at the gas station about knowing where Haleigh was? Stranger things have happened. Just a thought. jmo
Never heard that Mary?? hmmm
omg Tobias,wouldn’t it tho?
CJ
Just wish I knew what this woman looked like or if she could be the same person in the Florida Department of Corrections search. I know I go off on tangents but why the dogs going to her dock?? Just something else to think about.
Well Yea Mary,thats no wild tangent? Its very possible!why would they,and checked her house too??
Ok, I know this is coincidence but one of her aliases names (a common name) comes up on Myspace titled “Someone calls me Mommy”.
Just freakin myself out I’m sure.
LadySadie said,in June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm Jnet, I so agree with all you said. It breaks my heart that Haleigh’s own family (from all sides), put their own wants/addictions/”fun” before the life of a precious child, and have been doing so for several generations. Many, many of us have come for dysfunctional families (and for some of us, myself included severe dysfunction) but found a way to break the cycle, it seems that there was not one member of Haleigh’s family willing to break that cycle and each seemed to be trying to out do the other in making it worse.
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Amen,to everything you said!
omg mary,i swear i just read that and got the creeps,lol shewwwwww
So did I CJ when I read it…but that person says they are 31 and lives in Kentucy. Julie Uphold is about 45. The alias name is Tina Alexander. Anyway, it was freaky even if only coincidence.
mary try doing a search. I think I remember her giving an interview on camera to a local station early on.
yea it is Mary! Ky,Js and Connie live in ky!
God only knows whose mixed up in all this?
don’t mean to be rude but gotta call my dtr to check on her before she goes to bed,I just noticed the time,whewwwwww
brb
CathyJo63 said, in June 29th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
yea it is Mary! Ky,Js and Connie live in ky!
God only knows whose mixed up in all this?
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Really? Wow, now I’m freakin out again. Had no idea.
maryd,
Then on top of that there is that weird phone call between Cobra and Johnny where Johnny says they can’t get him in Kentucky (or words to that effect). I think it’s the same one where he talked about wanting the movie rights.
Has anyone heard anything more about the movie and who is involved? Has anyone checked the trademark register to see if anyone’s tried to trademark her? I know people did it in Caylee’s case, but don’t remember the link
yes Mary,really he and his wife Connie who is younger,dunno how old she is,on phone here too,lol so watch out,multitaskin ain’t for me,lol
yes ME,TRUE,HE SAID THEY CAN’T TOUCH ME IN KY,ITS A NO BOND STATE?
Toldya i’d goof,sorry 4 caps
Well,Me you know whose most likely behind it,I think I do,he wanted to copyright Haleighs name i believe way before now,early on???
and whomever is behind the movie cannot talk about it or they’ll lose their share or some stupid crap,no one will know until we see them move to beverly hills! jmo
Connie and Ruby are from Kentucky. They had all moved to Kentucky but I think they have moved back to Florida now. They are from the Ages, Brookside, Evarts area of Kentucky, if I remember correctly.
it came out just the other day me,to my understanding??? it is happening but no one can say! jmo
CathyJo63 said,
in June 29th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
omg KyMom,shewww I didn’t know about that……….But yea I’d say he knows something,see?? ron could learn a lesson,ya get rid of em when they lie,not marry em,lol jmo
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Exactly. This man didn’t even hesitate. Seeing this dad acting this way makes me wonder why Ron acted the way he did. This Horman man didn’t stay with her like Ron did Misty he got away from her and a put a restraining order on her. So why did Ron stay with Misty? Because maybe just maybe he is involved some how. I can’t think of any other reason. JMO
Sorry, was trying to find the interview with Tracy Phillips, I’m not very good at finding old interviews. But, interesting how one thing leads to another in this case.
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 9:53 pm Well,Me you know whose most likely behind it,I think I do,he wanted to copyright Haleighs name i believe way before now,early on???
and whomever is behind the movie cannot talk about it or they’ll lose their share or some stupid crap,no one will know until we see them move to beverly hills! jmo
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LMAO re Beverly Hills! I can just picture it now….Marie and Crystal moving in beside George & Cindy! My goodness!
I just searched the trademark register, but don’t think i’m doing it right because even Caylee’s trademark never came up….maybe they were refused Caylee’s trademark or let it lapse, but the Foundation website still has the name saying it’s trademarked. Hmmm.
IMO KyMom,it only makes him look guilty?? jmo tho
WhyLie said,in June 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm Connie and Ruby are from Kentucky. They had all moved to Kentucky but I think they have moved back to Florida now. They are from the Ages, Brookside, Evarts area of Kentucky, if I remember correctly.
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I am impressed! You are an incredible source of factual information about this case. Thank you so much.
Only they’d be called PillBillies Me,LoL
Ky Mom said,in June 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Exactly. This man didn’t even hesitate. Seeing this dad acting this way makes me wonder why Ron acted the way he did. This Horman man didn’t stay with her like Ron did Misty he got away from her and a put a restraining order on her. So why did Ron stay with Misty? Because maybe just maybe he is involved some how. I can’t think of any other reason. JMO
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I can think of another reason…..he didn’t believe she had anything to do with it. If my partner was falsely accused of harming my child, and I knew that, I’d stand by them too.
Pillbillies.lol
So my internet went out early due to pillbillies stealing copper.lol
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 10:07 pm Only they’d be called PillBillies Me,LoL
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LOL! LOL!!!!!
YEA IF YOU KNEW,BUT THE POINT HERE IS mISTY TOLD DIFFERENT STORIES AND RON SUPPORTED HER,oops sorry caps,knowing she did and his reply was usually I didn’t ask,or well thats not what she’s telling me,big difference!
rofl KyMom! bingo!!
when she failed he supported her too,lol Me,see what i mean? jmo
and he wuz at werk! so how was he so sure?
and he only had Misty 4 months and she just got home from a wild weekend so how did he know someone she knew didn’t do it,he didn’t even ask to find out?? jmo
lol Me and imo he knew already,he didn’t have to ask her!
Cathy Jo
You are on a roll tonight. lol
Is there any new news on the Haleigh case?
Shoot no KyMom,thats why i’m on a roll,lol fed up with waiting,lol
Feel like going to take the bar exam,oughta be able to gradyiate by the time someone tells a word of truth!then I can toast em,lol
CathyJo63 said,in June 29th, 2010 at 10:17 pm when she failed he supported her too,lol Me,see what i mean? jmo
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Honestly CathyJo, I put zero weight on lie detector tests. If Crystal, Marie & Chad failed 1000 tests each, I’d still say they meant nothing.
As for her different stories, I’m not convinced there are big differences which necessarily point to guilt on her part. I think she was possibly involved, but think it highly unlikely. Let’s hope we get all our answers soon and don’t have to guess anymore! Let’s hope Haleigh is safe and well somewhere and she will soon be found.
Does anyone know who bailed Joshua Imm and the Tomlinson gal out and when their court hearings will be held. I can’t seem to find these court records.
No father would behave the way he did,imo
well,either way me,even without the ld? From day one he went to defending her and telling her to look at the camera and all that garbage,would be enough that I wouldn’t need a ld! jmo
and i dang sure wouldn’t have married her,jmo
The only way to get a restraining order in Oregon where little Kyron is from.
A restraining order is issued if the petitioner can show he or his child is in “imminent danger of further abuse” by the respondent, and respondent represents a “credible threat to the physical safety of petitioner or petitioner’s child.”
I didn’t know he was bailed out.
Geeee KyMom,so he got one right? good for him!!
Wonder how Tommy is holding up being in the same jail as Ron?
omg i can’t imagine KyMoM!
CathyJo,
We are going to have to agree to disagree re Ron…our instincts about him are totally opposite!
The only things I feel reasonably confident about in this case are that Ron was being genuine during the 911 call and that he adored Haleigh. I also feel confident TN & GGMS loved her very much.
I’d say theres a reason they put him there! jmo
we can do Me,because i feel the exavt opposite is true,lol jmo though!
Joshua Imm was released 6-15-2010 from Putnam County Jail & Amanda Tomlinson was released
6-28-2010. In another matter, James Michael Hoberg, 42, Satsuma,was jailed in Putnam County on 6-29-2010. His charge was molest vic less than 12 YOA and his bond was set at $50,004. Has anyone heard of his name before?
KyMom,have you ever been to eyes for lies? she has a thing on The case you just told me about,looks interesting!
Not I CLong! sorry
o wow,interesting story KyMom!
The step mother in one video is with KYron’s Mother and father and his step dad. She is so doing the fake crying just like misty.jmo
misty cried real tears
OJ
I don’t think she did.jmo
Do you believe that Joe and Tommy did something to Haleigh?
I want to hear all of Ron’s jailhouse calls. They say they are boring. That is a matter of opinion. And I thought under sunshine law we are entitled to hear them.
LE makes their own laws in that neck of the woods…
I don’t know who did it..stranger abduction is first on my list..then maybe tomme or a friend of js, which would be a stranger to all the families.
How are they allowed to say no we can’t have Ron’s tapes?
We got to hear all of Casey Anthony’s .
Ky Mom
I think someone has to be charged with the crime against Haleigh for the sunshine law to take effect. As of now no one has.
Ooops, On second thought I think I’m wrong. In the drug case they have been charged.
CLong said,in June 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm Joshua Imm was released 6-15-2010 from Putnam County Jail & Amanda Tomlinson was released
6-28-2010. In another matter, James Michael Hoberg, 42, Satsuma,was jailed in Putnam County on 6-29-2010. His charge was molest vic less than 12 YOA and his bond was set at $50,004. Has anyone heard of his name before?
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Great find! Thanks for that info. I’ve never heard that name, but would like to find out more about him. Is he in the RSO database?
His bond is crazy low compared to Misty & Ron. Crazy stuff. And it seems that if Misty’s dad had been Sherrif, she’d be out now too.
did I miss something, whos Amanda Tomlinson?
I can’t find James Hoberg in the FDLE sex offenders database. Which probably means LE never checked him out when Haleigh went missing. Do we know where he lived at the time?
I’ve found an address for someone with that name at Crescent City…how far is that from where Haleigh lived?
maryd. said,in June 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pm Ooops, On second thought I think I’m wrong. In the drug case they have been charged.
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right, big disparity in the release of info..LE releases misty’s calls and visits to HANG her via the media but releases next to nothing of ron’s calls and visits..LE wants their SCAPEGOAT to go down! and they are doing everything legal and ILLEGAL to convict misty!!
Hardy’s son is out prancing free for METH MANUFACTURING and TRAFFICING!!!! while misty rots, for what..a few stinkin pills she was entrapped to be involved with?
PCSO are the CRIMINALS!! misty is NOT!!!!!!!!
It looks like about 13 miles away. Is that where Chelsea & Timmy lived? I wonder if they questioned him about Haleigh?
Perhaps tomorrow’s paper will have an article about his arrest. He looks quite creepy. The poor child that he has molested….how awful.
I wonder if he knows anything about Haleigh, and I sure hope they’ve asked him about her.
Hmmmmm.
And speaking of wondering…I wonder if this Tracy Phillips had any men friends or visitors during Haleighs disappearance. I’m really hung up on this Phillips person because of the tracking dogs.
If half the people in this town were doing drugs and half of the people in this town were selling them…than most of the druggies must know most of the dealers. Sounds like a math test huh?
OJ’s glove said,in June 30th,
Le and N/G! lol
In the Kyron Horman case the police gave
questionnaire to everyone. Why didn’t LE do this in Haleigh case? There might have been someone in the beginning of this that would have wanted to tell something of importance. Who knows. But I do agree that LE has done a very sloppy job. Did they ever finger print the door?
Or If half the people in this town were doing drugs and half of the people in this town were selling them…than most of the druggies must know most of the dealers. So how many SO’s are remaining??
ROFL OJ,I swear to God,Misty would be so proud of ya,lol
In my post above about Hoberg I should have said “if he did it”….at this point it’s just an allegation and he’s innocent til proven guilty. But I do hope they questioned him.
They knocked on doors and questioned who answered. So if no one answered did they just pass on it?
I kind of missed the discussion about the fresh charges on Tommy this week. I guess that explains why they brought him back to Putnam….to throw some more charges on him before his sentence next week and perhaps in a last ditch attempt to get something out of him. I wish a journalist or someone living close by would try to get the Police Reports from LE for us!
KYMom,I just watched the videos,omg that woman stix out like a sore thumb!!!!!!
Did you see her look up to at the other womans face,for an expression I assumed? sheeesh,rubbing her arm.dead give away! jmo(not familiar with their names yet,I do good to remember these crack pots in Haleighs life)
funny how simple things can tell on ya,lol jmo
How many men would be attracted to a weigh lifting woman. Unless you like dominatrix maybe. The father was probably afraid of her. JMO
Can you guys please point me to that link? Did she leave near where Kyle Johns lived?
“Live”, not “leave”…lol.
Did who live near Kyle Johns? I’m so confused.
I can’t remember their names either.lol
I know guilty.I think you can tell alot of things about a person through body language.jmo
Isn’t he the cutest little boy. He looked so proud of his science fair project. I think I read the other day about the step mothers story didn’t add up. Something about her cell phone records.
The step was friends with Kyrons mother. Kyrons mother asked for her to check on him and the dad while she went to canada for some kinda of medical problem. Well when she came back her and Kyrons dad filed for divorce and he married the now step mother.
I don’t really trust the father either. Something about his behavior too.
My God in Heaven KyMom,wth is it with people,grr
Mary
Are you keeping up with the Kyron case?
maryd. said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:41 am Did who live near Kyle Johns? I’m so confused.
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Thats what I said earlier,I stay confused! lol
Or have I misunderstood Tommy’s booking records…it says he was booked on the 23rd, but does that just mean he got transferred back to the jail on those charges that day? At least some of those charges are new ones though? Did Hardy lie to us again when he said there was no reason other than Court for bringing Tommy back?
I’m watching Nancy Grace right now about Kyron.
They need a good thrashing KyMom,all of em,
Well I guess I’ll get off and go to bed. Maybe the eastern KY pillbilles won’t steal copper tonight and I’ll have internet in the morning.lol
Night everyone!!!!!
Night KY
maryd. said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:32 am They knocked on doors and questioned who answered. So if no one answered did they just pass on it?
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Wouldn’t surprise me.
maryd…the woman that you and CJ are talking about…the one on video.
me
I can’t find a video, just read articles. They didn’t give much info about her or her exact address. They said next door to the MH. Than they said the dock was about 200 yards away. From what I saw on the map it didn’t make a lot of sense to me.
I would love to know more about her and where exactly she lived in comparison to the MH. There is so little info given in this case, just enough to make one crazy. They are sharing so much more in the Kyron case already. IMO
If you google Tracy Phillips neighbor Ronald Cummings you’ll see the articles.
Someone here said she was interviewed early on in the case on a local TV station. Sorry, I already forgot who said that though. Maybe Whylie. Hope it wasn’t you me…than I’ll really be embarrassed. 🙂
According to intellius.com, this James Hoberg lived in Welaka, Satsuma & Crescent City. He was booked at about 1am…..I wonder if he broke into a house that night, or if it was committed at some earlier time and they only caught up with him then. I wonder why it’s not in the paper.
And I’ve just gone through Putnam County Criminal Court records and he has a bit of a history there….of some concern is the fact he was busted with crack in Welaka about 6 weeks before Haleigh went missing.
me said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:53 am maryd. said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:32 am They knocked on doors and questioned who answered. So if no one answered did they just pass on it?
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in my town last week LE was called for a hit and run, they were given a license plate number,
the number was a city councilman’s vehicle..LE went to his house and he would not answer the door, LE waited outsde his house til the morning, when he came out they ticketed him for hit and run..the TAVERN he was at reported to LE he had SEVERAL DRINKS! LE let him sleep it off so he wouldn’t have a dui charge..
how is that law enforcement? They DISGUST ME!!!
and it was in the local paper, he PAID OFF the guy he hit who is now saying “Don’t charge him”
see how the “system” is?
if you have money or political power your justice is fairer then average people’s justice.
maryd. said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:02 am If you google Tracy Phillips neighbor Ronald Cummings you’ll see the articles.
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thank you. Looking for it now.
or a current LE or ex..probably still has some juice with the dept.
OJ’s glove said, in June 30th, 2010 at 1:17 am
if you have money or political power your justice is fairer then average people’s justice.
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Think that’s becoming more painfully obvious everyday.
I still don’t understand how Casey Anthony qualifies for a dream team and others have public defenders. Could it be that her high profile case racks in the money? Wouldn’t doubt if she doesn’t get off on some technicality so she’ll be available for a reality show.
Where did CathyJo go? Is she doing another research project?
I’m getting sleepy myself.
Won’t last too much longer.
maryd. said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:04 am Someone here said she was interviewed early on in the case on a local TV station. Sorry, I already forgot who said that though. Maybe Whylie. Hope it wasn’t you me…than I’ll really be embarrassed.
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No, it wasn’t me! But I do recall discussion about seeing her on tv. Can’t find the video though, but found an article..thanks.
Me
I looked for her address on zaba but couldn’t find her. I’d really like to know her exact location to the MH.
maryd. said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:29 am OJ’s glove said, in June 30th, 2010 at 1:17 am
if you have money or political power your justice is fairer then average people’s justice.
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Think that’s becoming more painfully obvious everyday.
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Yep. I can’t imagine Misty would be where she is today if she was from a wealthy family.
maryd. said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:39 am I still don’t understand how Casey Anthony qualifies for a dream team and others have public defenders. Could it be that her high profile case racks in the money? Wouldn’t doubt if she doesn’t get off on some technicality so she’ll be available for a reality show.
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For a criminal defence lawyer, early in their career like Baez is, this is a dream case. Let’s face it, he’s become famous and no matter what we think of him, I bet his business is booming. The others are all getting their 15 minutes out of it too. I’d be pretty sure that’s why most of them are doing it. They probably don’t much like Casey.
This James Hoberg arrest has me very curious. A crackhead child molester (alleged) living close to Haleigh, who was at the time, completely off LE’s radar as a paedophile. I’d really like to know the details of his charges and whether he’s being asked questions about Haleigh.
Well I think I should turn in now. Another night gone by and still no closer to knowing where Haleigh is.
Goodnight all.
Maybe tomorrow….
Good night maryd. Hopefully you’ll wake to good news re Haleigh.
Night me
We can hope
me @ 1:48 You said, “Yep. I can’t imagine Misty would be where she is today if she was from a wealthy family.”
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Of course she’d be exactly where she is – money isn’t the problem. She’s got the same team now as an indigent that she had before and the judge agreed to the experts Bozo wanted. The only difference (IMO) would have been if monster was actually smart (she would not have hired Bozo). But she’s not.
m2c,
Good morning!
I think you misunderstood. I said Misty wouldn’t be where she is today…not Casey. ITA re Casey.
From the Putnam County Sherrif’s office website “News” section…..note the bond amounts….
John Louis Bellamy, DOB: 7/7/1957, was arrested and booked into the Putnam County Jail for the following:
-Possession of a Schedule II narcotic w/ intent to sell w/in 1000’ of a school
-Possession of a Schedule IV narcotic
-Maintaining a drug dwelling
-Violation of Probation
It was also discovered Bellamy had a warrant from Indian County Sheriff’s Office for Failure to Appear which carried a $4,000 bond.
He is currently being detained with a total bond of $8,012.00
Jessica Ashley Barber, DOB: 6/22/1987, was arrested and booked into the Putnam County Jail for the following:
-Possession of a Schedule II narcotic w/ intent to sell w/in 1000’ of a school
-Possession of a Schedule II narcotic; (Oxycodone)
-Possession of a Schedule IV narcotic (12 ½ Xanax pills)
-Possession of Drug Paraphernalia
She is currently being detained with a bond of $5,016.00.
How in the heck did they get away with giving Misty such a high bond?
And from First Coast News re the Sherrif’s son…
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — The son of Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy has been arrested, along with three others, for actively participating in the sale of methamphetamine to undercover detectives.
Joshua Troy Imm, 26, Hardy’s son; Scott Charles Hood, 34; Johanna Leigh Smith, 26; Amanda Ashley Tomlinson, 22; were arrested after selling drugs to undercover officers in the parking lot of the Sunoco convenience store, at 276 Hwy. 17 South, in east Palatka.
During the investigation, detectives found that a 2-year-old was waiting inside the suspects’ vehicle during the transaction. The child was released to family members, and the Florida Department of Children and Family Services was notified.
Detectives found the suspects also were manufacturing methamphetamine at a second location in Palatka. They dismantled the lab.
Imm was arrested and charged with the sale of methamphetamine, possession of listed chemicals used to manufacture methamphetamine, maintaining a drug vehicle, possession of drug paraphernalia, and child neglect. His bond was set at just over $7,000.
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Far more serious offences than what Misty is facing, yet just $7000 bond.
Good morning, Me! Yep I was mixed up about who you were referring to! I am SO sorry about that! Obviously, the brain is not in gear yet.
And you’re right. M would not be where she is now if she was from a wealthy or influential family.
Me, I see that the charges against Hardy’s son INCLUDE child neglect and yet with the drugs AND that, the bond amount is a joke – and he makes the kind of drugs that blow up, right? This is a great example of how UN-important children are.
m2c,
Yep. Methamphetamine is a nasty drug and the labs are incredibly dangerous. The fumes are toxic and potentially deadly. How in the heck do they justify a $1 million bond for a young offender, yet let this guy get out for less than $10k? Not very fair it seems.
me said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 12:32 am
I kind of missed the discussion about the fresh charges on Tommy this week. I guess that explains why they brought him back to Putnam….to throw some more charges on him before his sentence next week and perhaps in a last ditch attempt to get something out of him. I wish a journalist or someone living close by would try to get the Police Reports from LE for us!
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Guess I missed it too, what new charges?
I have checked the Jail Log and the Putnam County Criminal Dockets, can find NO new charges for Hank T. (Tommy) Croslin, Jr. *me* where did you get that Tommy had new charges?
HANK THOMAS CROSLIN
SATSUMA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 6/23/2010 7:08:00 PM – Booking#: 10-00277
Release Date & Time:
DOB: 8/2/1986 – RACE: W – SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
893.135-1c1 DRUGS-TRAFFIC 4 GRAMS LESS 30 KG OTHER CNTRL SUBST F F $100,000.00
810.02-2b BURGL DWELLING STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE ARMED F F $5,004.00
812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $2,504.00
812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $0.00 6/24/2010 9:34:52 AM
$107,508.00
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Good Morning Lady.
I was talking about these charges. He didn’t have those charges before, did he?
HI Lady!!!
Tommy was booked into Putnam County jail on the 23rd. He is no longer in St. Johns. I hope this helps, Me.
Hi, *me* and ilove.
Yes *me*, he had all those charges before, none of those are new.
I don’t know how these things work so this is just a guess. But I’d think that whatever jail someone is in has to have a record of what they’re in there for, what charges have been brought against the person and the status (for example bail).
So maybe when T was transferred to PCSO jail, his records simply went with him and show up under the date that T moved there. Just a guess.
Thanks everyone. It makes sense that they are the old charges and they just posted them to their site because he was moved back there.
I didn’t realize he was charged with an armed burglary and the 2 grand larceny charges and thought they might be new charges.
Bed time here. Good night all. Fingers crossed Haleigh’s been found safe and sound by the time I wake.
WhyLie, I must of missed your post on June 29th @ 12:46 pm. I remember TJ Hart reporting about the friction between the families after Crystals arrival in Satsuma. TJ reported that Teresa Neves would not even allow Crystal to have one of Haleighs stuffed animals. There was also reporting of Crystal being in the mh and Misty was crying telling her that she had nothing to do with Haleigh disappearing.
Ronald said himself that noone,but Nay Nay knew where he lived outside of his own family and the Croslins. jmo
Off Topic: I am praying hard today for Kyron Horman. It is not looking good for him. My prayers go out to his family.
R said no one knew where he lived outside of Nay Nay and the Croslins? LOL! There’s a pretty big hole in that “secret!” Poor R. Totally deluded if he thought JS or MG or anyone else who wanted to know wouldn’t find out.
And yes there were reports of friction as you describe, lfj, as well as reports (mainstream media) that CS and MG said nice things about M and R at the beginning. I think both are to be expected at a time like that.
Goodmorning. Stopping in for a moment.
Gosh, seems there was so much opportunity for one of these sex offenders/pedophiles to take Haleigh that night.
It could of got around the drug circle or the neighborhood that Ron was having to do nights, Misty was home alone, and that there was drugs or guns there for the taking.
One of my theories is that Misty let someone in to party that night and they could of unlocked one of the doors, so they could get back in later, while she was sleeping, and take what they wanted.
A pedophile doesn’t seem to be the burglary type, they just prey on their victims and wait for the right opportunity. They sneak in and then sneak out. Commit their crime and hide the body.
Someone looking to rob the place would go to the trouble of setting the back door up with the brick, come in looking for drugs/gun/money (doubt they needed dishsoap like Tommy) and then out of there. They would not be interested in a child at all. However, if Haleigh saw them, they may of taken her to keep her quiet, but I don’t see a burglar as a child murderer, but could happen if the need arose I suppose.
However, if Misty allowed some guys in the MH that night (and that’s what she is lying about) then they could of been some creepy pedophiles too. Misty could of been knocked out. They opened that back door, put the brick in place and was going to take out a few items. Haleigh woke up, so they took her.
This would explain the LDT where Misty says she doesn’t know who took her…She doesn’t know who they are, but she knows who took her in the way that it was guys she let in the house that night (possibly selling drugs out of the MH).
No one may of known where Ron lived, but word may of gotten out that Ron and Misty just got a shipment of pills in for distribution and someone led them to the place (maybe naynay or joe) by yapping their jaws about the information. Tommy who was jonzin so bad for pills that day was over there. Why go and hang out at Misty’s MH all day? I don’t think that if he was that hard up to get those pills, that he would of been at Misty’s hangin out, UNLESS there was what he needed there. (other reason she is hiding info…involves a lot of drugs in the MH)
Just more thoughts. Later all. Have a great discussion.
Find Haleigh.
lfj, Not sure about everything TJ reported but it was not TN that reportedly would not let Crystal have a stuffed animal. It was said that Crystal wanted a toy (maybe stuffed animal) of Haleighs and asked Misty for it. Misty said she would have to ask Ron. Now that bit of info did not come from Misty or Crystal, that I can remember, so it would have had to come from the only other person that was in the MH and that was Wayanne. Wayanne has changed her recollection of that day a few times already so take it for what it is worth.
Not sure why Crystal would need something of Haleighs that Ron or his family would have given Haleigh. Did she not have anything of Haleigh’s at her home, that would have had more of an emotional connection?
WhyLie, Good Morning! I’m interested in the various accounts that Wayanne has given aboout the scene in the home. Would you mind filling me in?
Morning, Everyone!
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Cate, I have heard/read various accounts. One that both Crystal and Misty threw themselves on Haleigh’s mattress sobbing, Misty swearing to Crystal she did not know what happened to Haleigh. Another Misty curled up in Wayannes lap sobbing. You can probably find an interview on AH’s site, and also an audio interview on write into action.
To many people involved in this case and those that have inserted themselves into the case can’t seem to keep their stories straight. A little twist here, a little twist there, an embellishment here, an embellishment there.
Just started doing a little reading up on Wayanne Kruger, wow no wonder people refer to her as Wackanne, that lady sure is one wack-a-doodle. She also claimed to be “helping” in the Aaliyah Bedwell case, selling t-shirts and stuff, – sound familiar? That mother actually had to get a lawyer to send Wackanne a cease and desist letter.
I know who Wayanne is, but I have not kept up with anything she has said and I do not even attempt writeinto action. Thanks to m2c she warned me of him along time ago. I saw it on t.v. when TJ was reporting from Satsuma. He is one reporter I will listen to. AH does not have an article on his site pertaining to this info.
JenM, I think your theory of the evenings events holds alot of water. It’s no secret that tommy needed drugs to not only get high but to simply maintain. I could see him setting the scene to return when misty passed out. It may have had little to do with stealing a gun, however if the drugs couldn’t be found then the guns would provide needed funds to purchase the drugs later. This may also account for JRs story about the couch bouncing…drugs=sex=bouncing couch…etc…just sayin
Thats insane about Hardys son. 10k? really? omg…oj’s right. set-up! How can they possibly get away with that? Boy when this thing finally blows up, it’s gonna’ be big!! Alot of people in le may find themselves on the receiving end of a massive lawsuit…. WOW!
If he was manufacturing methamphedimine, 10k wouldn’t even be a down payment on the bond. I know in Minnesota it wouldn’t anyway….crazy shit goin’ on down there in putnam!
lfj, I listen to the interviews on WIA. I prefer hearing things coming straight from the horses mouth.
If TJ reported that it was TN that would not give Crystal a stuffed animal/toy then he was mistaken. It was reported that it was Misty that Crystal asked while they were in the MH and I believe that info came from Wayanne.
I will do some digging on it today.
Does anyone know if Chuck Ingram has a son named Jacob Ingram? If he does the guy is in PCSD on charges for drugs hmmmm. Might be interesting. jmo
Tobias- Is Chuck the bailbondsman?
lfj @ 9:18 am. Yes, that’s right. It’s part of what we have to be watchful of whatever we read or hear – it’s the context and whether a quote is complete.
For example, remember not long ago, AH wrote an article – about someone in jail supposedly taking an LDT, I think -and AH quoted a corrections officer at that jail and put the quote where it would look like the officer was confirming the story. But he wasn’t. That is not the question the officer was responding to. That is not what he meant or was talking about.
The officer had a fit about it and I believe Simon mentioned it in one of his articles.
Anyway, it’s that kind of manipulation and misrepresentation we should be aware of. It’s hard to know when it’s happening sometimes so I just take a lot of what I read and hear elsewhere with a lot of salt.
m2c- I rather hear it directly from the person, when you read something you don’t get the voice inflection. Once I was on a jury and there was a read back of one of the witnesses and the testimony, imo, lost the passion & fear of the witness.
Alex, yes and he is now in custody by the FBI because he was selling guns and he has a felony charge and is barred from even owning a gun. If this is his son Jacob Ingram also has a date abuse charge and it was for a girl named Kristen Brooks, he broke the restraining order she has on him too. jmo
you are right m2c. I prefer listening to the characters in this saga talk then there is no mistake. There is good reporting on this case. TJ Hart has been the best and he has been the most accurate with info. JMO
Cricket said,in June 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm TexasMommy ,
Seemed to no SB wife at least thats who I assumed this women was. It wasn’t to long ago that a lady came on here and exchanged a few posts with TM. she talked as if she were SB wife. IIRC she said he had TB and that he had done all the work on the Haleigh case. TM and the lady exchanged a few posts.
Tm told her he would get better and thats about all I remember. Oh she did say that Jan and Simmon near her and new SB.
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Good morning everyone.
I just wanted to make it clear I do not know anyone of the players or individuals that have inserted themselves into this case.
I did express my concern and hopes that SKB does recover. I am not sure who stopped by that afternoon,but, found the most interesting thing that was mentioned was that SKB was no longer working for CS.
Alex, that’s certainly right. What I’m trying to point out – regardless whether it’s audio or print – is (1) is the quote complete? and (2) is the quote in the correct context in which it was spoken?
Here’a an example (audio or video) of #1. Someone asks me if I take drugs. I say, “I take drugs for my allergies.” The reporter only publishes the “I take drugs” part.
Here’s an example of #2. I’m quoted as saying, “I’m in favor of marijuana use.” The actual context of that statement was a full conversation about the medical use of marijuana for appropriate and legitimate illnesses and pain that it’s been proven to be beneficial for. But taken out of the context of that conversation,my comment looks like I’m in favor of it for everyone anytime. You see the difference?
Tobias- Is Kristen related to Amber?
Jacob Ingram from Hastings is he Chuck Ingrams son? He was arrested on a drug charge and not obeying a restraining order( which was for date abuse of Kristen Brooks) is she related to Amber Brooks? Is there any possible connection between all these people? jmo
m2c- I understand but also you can read a complete story and within it a quote may have been said in a sarcastic way, so you’re not getting the true meaning!
looking for Justice said,in June 29th, 2010 at 9:40 am I posted an article from the BNN archives a few threads ago. It supported Texasmommys statement that Crystal loves her children and wanted them back. TJ Hart had written in the article that there were a handful of open DCF cases against Ronald by Crystal prior to Haleighs disappearance and that CS was trying to regain custody. I will try and find that article again.
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Crystal does and always has loved her children.
DCF involvement was instigated by the Sheffields for the purpose to legaly change custody. IMO when Misty came into the picture is when the fighting began between all of them. Brooks, Cummings, Sheffield and Croslins.
Sorry to just jump in, but, have not been able to stop in and catch up till this morning.
tobias, it would seem so..JMO
tm39- What I would like to know is if Crystal reported abuse to DCF as she thought she witnessed it, i.e. when the pictures of Haleigh’s face was taken or only after Haleigh’s disappearance! The timing matters to me.
bbl- dr appt
These were prior to Haleighs disappearance.
Alex, It is my opinion that CS and other family memebers had tried to get DCF involved for many months prior to HaLeighs abduction.
An interesting point was revealed by Ron that DCF recomended the move to the larger (3 bedroom) MH so that the children would have their own rooms. I am not trying to connect the dots , but, the recent mummer/rumor that HaLeigh was sexually abused is IMO connected.
Ron also mentioned that he was haveing
Crystal/Chad pick up the kids at a McDonalds instead of them coming to the MH and picking them up. Ron did not want Crystal or her family or anyone else for that matter to know where he had moved too, no matter if he would be in contempt of the court order stating he is to notiofy CS of his and their childrens change in address.
Texasmommy I agree with your post. It is fact that if DCF is involved with a family and they have children that are m/f they let them know they must have separate bedrooms for them. They will allow it temporarily, but the Parent/s have to find a larger home to live in for that reason. JMO
Alexandria Loring said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 10:53 am
tm39- What I would like to know is if Crystal reported abuse to DCF as she thought she witnessed it, i.e. when the pictures of Haleigh’s face was taken or only after Haleigh’s disappearance! The timing matters to me.
bbl- dr appt
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Crystal didn’t call DCF but Marie constantly did. I don’t think those pictures were ever turned over to DCF till Kim came in the picture because they knew she fell at school and it was all documented. All they had to do was call the school and find out what happened or ask Haleigh.
So lets see PCSO arrests for yesterday and this morning (so far) show the following:
JOHNSON JOSHUA BRAD 7/08/1985 M W 10-02773 6/30/2010 11:40:00 AM
WALKER EDDIE WILLIAM 11/26/1979 M B 10-02772 6/30/2010 10:20:00 AM
FROMAL JOSEPH VINCENT 7/28/1965 M W 10-02771 6/30/2010 7:35:00 AM 6/30/2010 10:33:50 AM
ESSEX JOHN FITZPATRICK 12/13/1970 M W 10-02770 6/30/2010 2:45:00 AM 6/30/2010 7:43:14 AM
HEREDIA CARMEN IVETTE 9/01/1977 F W 10-02768 6/29/2010 6:35:00 PM 6/29/2010 7:47:27 PM
DOWLING JASON LEE 10/18/1978 M W 10-02767 6/29/2010 5:50:00 PM
HILL DEREK LAMAR 2/12/1969 M B 10-02766 6/29/2010 4:00:00 PM
DENSON VIVIAN 4/01/1971 F B 10-02764 6/29/2010 3:10:00 PM 6/29/2010 4:42:08 PM
HINES ALLISON DENISE 12/12/1989 F B 10-02765 6/29/2010 3:10:00 PM 6/29/2010 5:35:27 PM
MACK FRAZIER TYRONE 10/08/1965 M B 10-02762 6/29/2010 1:42:19 PM
WARWICK CLINTON BLANE 8/01/1990 M W 10-02763 6/29/2010 1:10:00 PM 6/29/2010 2:50:05 PM
AUGUITO FRANK LEE 3/13/1957 M W 10-02761 6/29/2010 10:45:00 AM 6/29/2010 11:38:31 AM
WOODLEY LEON P 10/10/1979 M W 10-02760 6/29/2010 7:25:00 AM 6/29/2010 12:55:23 PM
OTERO HILARIO 6/05/1983 M W 10-02759 6/29/2010 2:40:00 AM 6/29/2010 10:53:05 AM
JOHNSON JUSTIN TERRELL 2/10/1989 M B 10-02758 6/29/2010 1:56:00 AM 6/29/2010 7:41:05 AM
HOBERG JAMES MICHAEL 7/22/1967 M W 10-02757 6/29/2010 1:05:00 AM
Of those:
JOHN FITZPATRICK ESSEX
893.13-6b MARIJUANA-POSSESS NOT MORE THAN 20 GRAMS
DEREK LAMAR HILL
843.15-1a FAILURE TO APPEAR
843.15-1a FAILURE TO APPEAR
843.15-1a FAILURE TO APPEAR
794.011-4 SEX ASSLT VICTIM 12 YOA OLDER SPECIAL CONDITIONS
794.011-4 SEX ASSLT VICTIM 12 YOA OLDER SPECIAL CONDITIONS
And
JAMES MICHAEL HOBERG
800.04-5b LEWD LASCV BEHAVIOR MOLEST VIC LESS 12YOA OFFENDER 18 YOA OR OLDER
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I wonder what their connection to Halieh’s case is, sure hope PSCO questioned them all about Haleigh.
Alex @ 10:22 am. Yes. I am not commenting on the qualities of audio vs print. I’m commenting on a different topic.
Either way there are things to keep in mind before accepting what we hear and read as truth and they depend on the reporter/writer etc. In print form an ethical reporter would make it clear that someone’s tone was sarcastic. An unethical one might not if it did not suit his/her purposes.
IOW it’s great to hear the sarcasm but if the person who played the audio for you gave you the wrong context for the statement, it can still misrepresent the speaker.
It could have been any number of people who called Amber could have and you dont have to tell them who you are when you call, just what you are seeing going on.jmo
I don’t think that wanting the kids back necessarily means CS loved her children. The one does not guarantee the other. Many parents want their kids back so they don’t have to fork over the custody payments anymore. The OTHER parent has to.
And I do not think that MG reporting supposed abuse to DCFS before the abduction proves anything especially that they even thought any abuse was occurring. Again, the motives attributed to these things are assumptions on our part, not proof of anything.
m2c said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 5:38 am
Me, I see that the charges against Hardy’s son INCLUDE child neglect and yet with the drugs AND that, the bond amount is a joke – and he makes the kind of drugs that blow up, right? This is a great example of how UN-important children are.
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I think it’s more of an example of the sheriff’s son getting special treatment.
IMO…… Ron has a lot to answer for. His past actions have given motive to many, to commit crimes to extract their revenge against him, at the expense of his child’s life and ultimately has destroyed so many other lives..
is that typical, that amount of arrests in two days? what a hellhole
m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 11:38 am I don’t think that wanting the kids back necessarily means CS loved her children. The one does not guarantee the other. Many parents want their kids back so they don’t have to fork over the custody payments anymore. The OTHER parent has to.
And I do not think that MG reporting supposed abuse to DCFS before the abduction proves anything especially that they even thought any abuse was occurring. Again, the motives attributed to these things are assumptions on our part, not proof of anything.
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I totally agree M2C, the money could of very well of been the motive. We definatly saw and heard enough to determine that the maternial side of HaLeighs family did make a personal profit at the expence of HaLeigh.
M2C do you think it is possible that family would harm/neglect in hidding or kill HaLeigh to distance them selves from the crimes of abduction, fraud, obstruction of justice, illeagal drug use, etc?
Good Morning everyone— yikes, afternoon now, even here. My two cents worth at the moment, Steven K Brown has most definitely has not disappeared wrt to HaLeigh’s case. He’s still on top of it, all over it. Given that, movement soon, perhaps, especially considering that TomMe’s sentencing is right after the other fireworks?
How would you react if you heard on the news that Haleigh was being hidden by her maternal family somewhere, and you saw her alive on television? Would you rejoice? Wold you be in disbelief? Would you be mad at the person’s responsible? Would you understand a family’s love for a child, living the drug life, who just wanted to protect her?
I think I would just be happy she was alive and well, and I would be understanding and in disbelief all at the same time. I would want Haleigh maternal family to not be prosecuted for kidnapping Haleigh.
So, how about it Haleigh’s family. I don’t really think you have Haleigh, but if you do have her please tell us. I for one will understand, and will not hold hard feelings for the concern I’ve felt for Haleigh’s life since she went missing. Just knowing Haleigh was alive would be good enough for me. I think without a doubt, especially now, you would be able to defend your reasons for taking her to a safer place.
OJ, that is actually fewer than usual for arrests in Putnam. I’ve checked on days where there are 30 or more.
tm39 @ 11:42 am – I don’t know about that. Maybe all it took was a cheapskate lazy wife with the Mother from He77 who was engaged to a guy who hid his own children.
I’m sorry but R just can’t be painted as all bad. If the roles were reversed and this was a single mom who had a job, who (as far as we can see) took good care of the kids, whose significant other also took good care of the kids (even MG and CS said so), who was constantly harrassed by reports to DCFS, who worked with DCFS and stated on National TV that they taught her how to appropriately discipline her children and who moved to a larger home to abide by the rules on number of rooms for the children and was owed a whopping $12,000 child support we’d be up in arms against the deadbeat dad. Some credit has to be given where it’s due and so far I see no reason to doubt these things.
sarcastically said, I thought SKB solved the case months ago.
Shockwave, in that scenario, yes I would rejoice that Haleigh was alive, be in disbelief. Then I would want to ensure that she is actually in a safe place, from what all we have learned about both sides of Haleigh’s family, maternal and paternal, I have not heard of one family member that would be fit to have her.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 30th, 2010 at 10:53 am tm39- What I would like to know is if Crystal reported abuse to DCF as she thought she witnessed it, i.e. when the pictures of Haleigh’s face was taken or only after Haleigh’s disappearance! The timing matters to me.
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If it concerned her she would have had a good enough case when she found Haleigh face down in the canal,Thank God she “guessed how to do CPR and it actually worked!” 🙄 A child almost dies and no 911 call,hmmmmm and what a chance she passed on!
Marie explains what happened that day in a video where even she admits,Crystal said she don’t know how she did it,she don’t remember!!sorry but hang on a sec,while i look for my sarcasm,I know it’s here somewhere.aha there it is… 🙄
Shockwave , that is a wonderful post and I agree.
TM39 @ noon you asked: M2C do you think it is possible that family would harm/neglect in hidding or kill HaLeigh to distance them selves from the crimes of abduction, fraud, obstruction of justice, illeagal drug use, etc?
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If you are asking do I think it’s possible that the S/G’s kidnapped Haleigh and sent her to live elsewhere then yes. Why not? It’s happened many times before and there is nothing whatsoever redeeming about the S/G clan for me to think they are above that or rule it out for any reason. FGS kids have been hidden in secret rooms, sent to live with other people etc. for less reason(s) than there are in this situation. So, yes, it is certainly possible (not to the exclusion of other possibilities).
Shock & lfJ, I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately we would still have to uphold the law. If we excuse it in this case we’re down the proverbial slippery slope. I support them for protecting HaLeigh but they would have to do it at their expense.
m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 11:38 am
True,me either!
Did you read the transcript where MG said she knew the kids were being hit bit thats about all,rofl dang!!!! Guess its ok then! lol
If the roles were reversed and everything has went down the same way. I would not give Crystal a pass at all. I do not even give her a pass now,but I do know people can change if given the proper help and support. If losing a daughter is not enough to get your attention then nothing will. Ron has already proved that. JMO
sorry misphrased it,LoL Marie said They were being hit but nothing bad?? sheeeeesh okayyyy
you said it all Looking!!!!!
Encouragement and prayer is a marvelous thing. It can move mountains. If a part of you thinks that the Griffith’s or the Sheffield’s are holding Haleigh somewhere start asking them to bring the baby home. Ask God to bring the her home. Start asking them to let her have a normal life. Let them know you will not hold a grudge against them.
BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES! BRING HALEIGH HOME, WE WON’T THROW STONES!
if it was her family i’d want them in jail anyway,because if their motive was to save her they could have done that yrs ago,only reason imo they’d be interested was money and revenge,I don’t see those ppl helping anybody,not even family,jmo
phone sorry brb
cate I personally would be happy if Haleigh were found alive and tears of Joy would dtream down my face. I would try to understand the purpose that a family member had done this, although I do not believe this is the case. I do agree that they should be prepared to accept the proper punishment, but I would still be elated. A child well and alive versus dead and not being found.jmo
Shockwave said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
How would you react if you heard on the news that Haleigh was being hidden by her maternal family somewhere, and you saw her alive on television? Would you rejoice? Wold you be in disbelief? Would you be mad at the person’s responsible? Would you understand a family’s love for a child, living the drug life, who just wanted to protect her?
I think I would just be happy she was alive and well, and I would be understanding and in disbelief all at the same time. I would want Haleigh maternal family to not be prosecuted for kidnapping Haleigh.
So, how about it Haleigh’s family. I don’t really think you have Haleigh, but if you do have her please tell us. I for one will understand, and will not hold hard feelings for the concern I’ve felt for Haleigh’s life since she went missing. Just knowing Haleigh was alive would be good enough for me. I think without a doubt, especially now, you would be able to defend your reasons for taking her to a safer place.
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I would want whomever took her and hid her to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and then some.
WhyLie, Yep, I hear you, SKB solved it months ago, just waiting on police action?
Look at the damage they have done to innocent ppl,I talked about this before but i gotta tell ya,I did a 180 real quick,If family did it,they should take the punishment they’ve caused Haleighs family to get! imo that would be worse than dealing pills! jmo
texasmommy39 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 10:40 am looking for Justice said,in June 29th, 2010 at 9:40 am I posted an article from the BNN archives a few threads ago. It supported Texasmommys statement that Crystal loves her children and wanted them back. TJ Hart had written in the article that there were a handful of open DCF cases against Ronald by Crystal prior to Haleighs disappearance and that CS was trying to regain custody. I will try and find that article again.
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Crystal does and always has loved her children.
DCF involvement was instigated by the Sheffields for the purpose to legaly change custody. IMO when Misty came into the picture is when the fighting began between all of them. Brooks, Cummings, Sheffield and Croslins.
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Sorry but she has a poor way of showing it,BS! If she did she wouldn’t have failed a drug test after her daughters gone and she just got custody back……jmo tho but disagree totally!
Thats a chance of a lifetime she got there TexMom,she failed the test imo because she don’t nor didn’t want custody,she just didn’t want to admit that she didn’t! jmo
I was an addict too,But believe me that would have been rock bottom! jmo pleanty of reason to never look at a pill! still jmo
Cate,you think he did? I am wondering,lol
I believe Crystal loved her children just like I believe Ron loved his children. Drug addiction can take over your life and cause many harmful things to happen, but it does not stop you from loving anyone it just causes many regrets.jmo
she did not fight for custody,it was thrown at her?
Judging others is what keeps others from telling the truth.
Some of you are not listening. Put your opinions aside and make a plea for Haleigh’s life to be known for the ultimate price of a child’s safe return to all of us who have come to love her, and for those who have possibly hidden her to not be judged. God speaks to us all in different ways. God is asking me to ask you to not cast stones, and concentrate only on Haleigh’s safe return. Remember, part of her family is Jr. (an innocent little boy missing his cissy.)
exactly,I should have said loved them,I am sure she does but loved the drugs more as addicts can do! She didn’t plan to be an addict!
Whatever we think of CS and R and any members of their families, there isn’t any reason that I can see not to include it as one theory among many.
IMO we don’t have enough info to decide on one.
I am sure my biomum loved me,but just wasn’t enough to give up her liquor!so she gave us up! jmo
lol M2,Ya can’t have just one in this case,like tater chips,lol
Shockwave, please do as your God directs you to. The rest of us will do as our God directs us. If God wants to ask me to do something he knows where I am and how to contact me, he has no need to go through you to communicate with me.
Shockwave @ 12:38 – That’s very good of you. Probably a good idea to pray that if someone has her they’ll think of a good way to return her without getting caught doing it and without leaving her alone and in danger.
CathyJo63 said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
she did not fight for custody,it was thrown at her?
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you’re right and it was thrown at her by Marie.
when haleigh is found alive ALL charges against misty should be DROPPED in the interest of justice!
justice + putnam county = oximoron
liquor..crying baby
liquor..crying baby
hmmmmmmmmmmmm tough call
CJ was your child still living with you, as in under age, when you were an addict? You don’t have to answer of course but I was wondering what kind of a mother you were when you were using, or grandmother as the case may be.
I know people who are addicts and while they are not parents of the year by any means, they still were functioning, working, paying bills, taking care of their children. Not exactly how I would have been doing it but the kids were fed, clothed, roof over their head, not in any eminent danger, if you know what I mean.
I would love to hear your input on that since you have first hand experience.
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:09 pm How would you react if you heard on the news that Haleigh was being hidden by her maternal family somewhere, and you saw her alive on television? Would you rejoice? Wold you be in disbelief? Would you be mad at the person’s responsible? Would you understand a family’s love for a child, living the drug life, who just wanted to protect her?
I think I would just be happy she was alive and well, and I would be understanding and in disbelief all at the same time. I would want Haleigh maternal family to not be prosecuted for kidnapping Haleigh.
So, how about it Haleigh’s family. I don’t really think you have Haleigh, but if you do have her please tell us. I for one will understand, and will not hold hard feelings for the concern I’ve felt for Haleigh’s life since she went missing. Just knowing Haleigh was alive would be good enough for me. I think without a doubt, especially now, you would be able to defend your reasons for taking her to a safer place.
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As much as I would love to agree with this opinion … it would not be in the best intrest of the HaLeigh or Jr., JMO, also it would open a unwanted door of other illeagal custody changes that would definatly place many more children at risk and destroy many more lives.
tao is the way
CathyJo, I certainly think SKB has something; only time will ferret out the truth.
I think that if the maternal side does have Haleigh she was not taken out of fear of how Haleigh was living. It was out of hatred and the possibility that Crystal may end up in jail.
I do think, however, that it is very possible who ever is hiding her is doing it under the belief that Haleigh was in danger, imo.
CathyJo I understand and respect how you feel. I do not think anyone wakes up oneday and says I am going to become an addict. I do think people with low self esteem, weakness or just want to be accepted by others fall into these groups, especially when they are young and impressionable. The parents did it, to these children this was a normal way of life. I do not agree with or support what they do, but if there is a chance to extend a helping hand then I will.
I guess thats why it took me so long to realize Ronald knew what happened to his daughter. May God Bless them all. Lay the burden upon their chest and open their mouths and finally speak the truth!! Bring Haleigh Home!!! JMO
TM39 – I think you said this but I’m not sure. Copied it from someone else’s post where I thought it was quoting you. So my apologies if if was not you.
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DCF involvement was instigated by the Sheffields for the purpose to legaly change custody.
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Yes, it was the only way CS could get custody -by making R look worse than she did. “Custody by default” which is exactly what ended up happening.
Otherwise she’d have had to get off drugs, get a job, make a major effort to pay off custody and appeal to the court again. Didn’t even make an effort at those things. Much easier to try to get R in trouble. IMO.
And, yes, it could have started in part because of jealousy when M started living there or because the custody payment problem was getting really serious – as in jail time possibly or serious financial hassles for the fiance (Chad) and their future together.
m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:31 am me @ 1:48 You said, “Yep. I can’t imagine Misty would be where she is today if she was from a wealthy family.”
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Of course she’d be exactly where she is – money isn’t the problem. She’s got the same team now as an indigent that she had before and the judge agreed to the experts Bozo wanted. The only difference (IMO) would have been if monster was actually smart (she would not have hired Bozo). But she’s not.
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Sorry M2,But i doubt she would,Money is justice,whoever has the most or pull as we say! jmo for a dang good reason!
If HaLeigh is found alive, the persons responsible should, with dignity and honor, accept their due according to the law. If they have done it honorably and for the right reasons they will accept the consequences. If they have done it for the wrong reasons they will fight the consequences.
if that was your post M2,LoL If not just replace the nic,lol
I can’t tell,lol
WhyLie@ 12:47 – I agree and by now they’ve had time to convince Haleigh that’s why she was taken.
looking for Justice said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:48 pm CathyJo I understand and respect how you feel. I do not think anyone wakes up oneday and says I am going to become an addict. I do think people with low self esteem, weakness or just want to be accepted by others fall into these groups, especially when they are young and impressionable. The parents did it, to these children this was a normal way of life. I do not agree with or support what they do, but if there is a chance to extend a helping hand then I will.
I guess thats why it took me so long to realize Ronald knew what happened to his daughter. May God Bless them all. Lay the burden upon their chest and open their mouths and finally speak the truth!! Bring Haleigh Home!!! JMO
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Now theres a great outllok as well as one heck of a post! Agree!!!!! jmo
WhyLie, Just had a chance to scroll up and read your response to my question about Wayanne. Thanks for answering.
CathyJo @ 12:48 – Sorry, I had goofed in my response. I had monster anthony on my mind so that’s why I said she’d be where she is even if she was from a wealthy family. I wasn’t awake yet!
It’s certainly true about Misty, I think. Wealthy or not if she had a different family that actually cared about her she wouldn’t be in this situation.
Looking,imo I almost respect Crystal for not fighting for custody,atleast she had the God given brains to know it was not the best for them or rather to be with her while she took drugs!
That is my dog in the discussion,imo she STILL does not want custody because she is still addicted,last i heard? but I can only pray she wakes up one day just like I did! Oh boy do I!
But it was thrown at her,she wasn’t given the choice!!!! jmo
Cate I am not sure if AH wrote any articles in regards to WK but WK did post in the comments section of his articles.
you got that right on the nail of it M2! Thats exactly right! jmo too
m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:48 pm TM39 – I think you said this but I’m not sure. Copied it from someone else’s post where I thought it was quoting you. So my apologies if if was not you.
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DCF involvement was instigated by the Sheffields for the purpose to legaly change custody.
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Yes, it was the only way CS could get custody -by making R look worse than she did. “Custody by default” which is exactly what ended up happening.
Otherwise she’d have had to get off drugs, get a job, make a major effort to pay off custody and appeal to the court again. Didn’t even make an effort at those things. Much easier to try to get R in trouble. IMO.
And, yes, it could have started in part because of jealousy when M started living there or because the custody payment problem was getting really serious – as in jail time possibly or serious financial hassles for the fiance (Chad) and their future together.
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Totally agree! The easy road is always the road often taken by drug users.
sometimes M2 I can’t tell wh posts what?? lol
LadySadie – I don’t believe we each have a separate God. We are all unified through one God. Which is why I felt compelled to share what God is telling me to all of my blogging friends here. My Sunday school teacher spoke about praying for wisdom and having the faith to hear Him when he gives the wisdom to you. If we can’t all have faith together that Haleigh can be returned through God then Haleigh may be gone forever. Does YOUR God tell you to judge a person even though you do not know for sure what has happened? Does YOUR God not believe in forgiveness, understanding and love? I am not against you. I am merely asking you to put your judgement aside and allow Haleigh to come home peacefully (if it is the case that she has been hidden away to keep her safe). I’m merely asking you to believe in the miracle of Haleigh returning home safely to a normal life.
m2c – thank you
OJ’s Glove – justice + putnam county = OJ and Misty together forever. 🙂
It was my post, M2C, and CJ. 😉
Thanks everyone for your responses!
m2c- imo, not reporting to DCFS the injuries until after Haleigh went missing speaks volumes tome. It leaves me wondering
1. Crystal didn’t care enough before Haleigh went missing and at a time she could of helped her but now can use it to boost a complaint against Ron or
2. Crystal realized the significance of the injuries after the disappearance. This seems unlikely to me as she took the pictures- for what reason?
LadySadie- What is sex assault with special conditions?
Cate (aka Kate) said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:46 pm CathyJo, I certainly think SKB has something; only time will ferret out the
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Well I wish he’d pee or get off the pot,lol
we are anxious! jmo
texasmommy39 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:57 pm m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:48 pm TM39 – I think you said this but I’m not sure. Copied it from someone else’s post where I thought it was quoting you. So my apologies if if was not you.
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DCF involvement was instigated by the Sheffields for the purpose to legaly change custody.
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Yes, it was the only way CS could get custody -by making R look worse than she did. “Custody by default” which is exactly what ended up happening.
Otherwise she’d have had to get off drugs, get a job, make a major effort to pay off custody and appeal to the court again. Didn’t even make an effort at those things. Much easier to try to get R in trouble. IMO.
And, yes, it could have started in part because of jealousy when M started living there or because the custody payment problem was getting really serious – as in jail time possibly or serious financial hassles for the fiance (Chad) and their future together.
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Totally agree! The easy road is always the
road often taken by drug users!
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It’s by far an easy road,they don’t take it because its easy,they take it because its an ADDICTION? CONTROL?
NOTHING EASY ABOUT IT! JMO
m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
oH,OK..Satans daughter or SINdy? lol
TexMom,Honestly i hope you say no but Have you ever been addicted?
Shockwave, I feel a persons faith and religion are very personal and don’t feel the need to be preached to on a blog.
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
with all do respect honestly but I don’t know how she’ll ever be able to come home peacefully,jmo
my god can take your god
Ain’t gonna touch that one OJ! LOL
But I beleieve in God,I’ve seen him in action but He’s the same God who created the people in Haleighs life who have by their actions caused us to judge them! jmo
hello????? anybody there??
bbl lol
LadySadie – I feel you just want to argue. I have not preached to you. I have offered up my beliefs and I listened to yours, and in a mature way, as a friend, I only asked you to consider the possibility of not judging someone. I never said you were a terrible person. That would be preaching to someone.
CathyJo63 – you are probably right. Logic tells us that most people would be in an uproar to find that Crystal’s maternal family did hide Haleigh. Most people would rather see their own agenda of punishment come to light. So much so that they would forget about Haleigh and what is right for her. Judgement has always prevailed in these types of cases. No one ever motions to see the real truth, and the truth is never found. So I’m motioning for others to lay down their negative opinions and agendas for once, so that the truth, wherever dark place it lies, can come to light without the weight of the world’s condemnation on its shoulders. I’ve been through Haleigh’s case from the beginning, and my theories and judgments have not brought Haleigh home.
ShockWave,Right,I was trying to lighten the situation,not to well i take it tho,lol,
I understand,just put my 2 cents in,lol
I gotcha tho!
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This is interesting guy’s….hmmm wonder what finally did it,I havent read a thing about satans daughter in months and months but this looks perty interesting!
Casey Anthony news: Lee Anthony has distanced himself from sister accused of murdering own daughter
Last week, the prosecution in the Casey Anthony case released hundreds of jailhouse letters sent to the Florida mother accused of murder. Absent in the over 5,000 pages of correspondence, was a letter from Casey’s brother, Lee Anthony.
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:41 pm LadySadie – I feel you just want to argue.
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you got that right, its her forte.
shes been on my back since I came here.
but i won’t give her what she wants.
CathyJo63 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:08 pm TexMom,Honestly i hope you say no but Have you ever been addicted?
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No I personally have not been addicted to drugs…now cigaretts and Dr.Pepper are totally a different subject. 🙂
I have been affected by addictions of others ALL my life.
omg,how dumb can one person be,off topic but gee,Cindy wrote to casey in jail and said,please make sure you get enough calcium and “sunlight” omg what an idiot!!!!!
Tells her she knows she was framed! begging her not to be mad for ??’s……jeeeeez grrrrrrrrr
CathyJo- Lee is probably as sick as his dad is that Casey accused them of sexual abuse! I have a feeling that Baez wants them to admit to it, whether it’s true or not, to get sympathy for Casey. I think one of her parents mentioned in a letter that Lee & Mallory moved to Miami.
Could they be thinking of getting picked for her jury???? lol
I think that Caylee was given to much cloriform
and she died and since Casey was out to have fun she let everyone believe she was asleep..
then she went out and taped her mouth and nose up to make it seem like someone eles did this…but i think and pray that Caylee already has passed at that time..(or that would be just sic’)
As for haleigh..I believe that she overdosed
and all 3 Ronald…Tommy & Misty are involved..
with knowledge of it or her death)
As for Kyron..I think his uncle took him…
Keep up the great work!
Good then Texmom,it’s not even close to cigs and pop!
believe me,It’s really not a choice when you’re addicted,its a choice when you first start and a choice to become sober too!
Allz I am saying,no addict takes an easy road!
who Cricket?
Both my parents were addicts, but still expected certain things from their seven kids.
I’m the only black sheep in the family,the rest all have the finer things in life.
“My name is Shockwave, and I too am addicted to Dr. Pepper.” “Hi Shockwave!” “Hi all…it all started when….” LOL!
Shockwave @ 1:41 – I really doubt if someone has Haleigh that they are not returning her because they are afraid of public opinion. What they are afraid of possibly is the law and they will not be exempt from that no matter what we think. That’s just not realistic.
But maybe they can think of a way to return her, get her to the proper authorities safely and without being caught.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:52 pm CathyJo- Lee is probably as sick as his dad is that Casey accused them of sexual abuse! I have a feeling that Baez wants them to admit to it, whether it’s true or not, to get sympathy for Casey. I think one of her parents mentioned in a letter that Lee & Mallory moved to Miami.
Could they be thinking of getting picked for her jury???? lol
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Alex,Casey does nothing for anybody else,only herself imo,
But it tix me off they weren’t mad when Caylee was killed by her and they hid facts and destroyed evidence imvho but now b/c sex abuse was brought up on him he seperates from her,just another day in the life of the Scamthonys compound! but now i will say,I almost 99% believe she was abused…or sindy has worked for the devil since casey was born!
casey would say God raped her to get off!
CathyJo, LadySadie .
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:58 pm “My name is Shockwave, and I too am addicted to Dr. Pepper.” “Hi Shockwave!” “Hi all…it all started when….” LOL!
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Oh now thats just plain cruel!!!
oh,ok Cricket,I wondered! lol
CathyJo – the person’s original comment said that Misty would not be where she is if she was from a wealthy family. I agree with that.
Unfortunately I had the monster on my mind (Satan’s daughter) and I responded wrong.
CathyJo, where did you see the article saying that Lee had distanced himself? I haven’t seen it worded like that although it does seem that he hasn’t written monster (but we may not have seen all the letters she got OR any of the ones Bozo smuggled in illegally).
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Also, everyone, it is not off topic to talk about Caylee here. This article is about her, too.
shania49 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:53 pm I think that Caylee was given to much cloriform
and she died and since Casey was out to have fun she let everyone believe she was asleep..
then she went out and taped her mouth and nose up to make it seem like someone eles did this…but i think and pray that Caylee already has passed at that time..(or that would be just sic’)
As for haleigh..I believe that she overdosed
and all 3 Ronald…Tommy & Misty are involved..
with knowledge of it or her death)
As for Kyron..I think his uncle took him…
Keep up the great work!
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Excuse me but what bong you been hitting today,
chloroform or?? Living in a fantasy world to me,I like that you want it all to be so much better than it is,with all due respect but no way in hello or high water did Caylee die peacefully! jmo
just a sec,ill get it!
Examiner Bio Casey Anthony news: Lee Anthony has distanced himself from sister accused of murdering own daughter
examiner. com!
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:58 pm “My name is Shockwave, and I too am addicted to Dr. Pepper.” “Hi Shockwave!” “Hi all…it all started when….” LOL!
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Hi my name is TexasMommy39 and I am an addict to cigarretts and Dr.Pepper, but, it wasn’t my fault. LOL See I need major help!!!!
CJ I know addiction takes you down the hardest and darkest road imaginable and that is not what I ment by the easy road that addicts take… it is the lieing and stealing to get what they want and need not legal hard work to obtain it. I am sure you know what I mean. 😉
Excuse me Cricket? I have been “on your back”? I went over our exchanges for the past several days, the few that I see were first you asking me how to find the St Johns Jail website, I posted the link for you and explained how to pull up Misty’s information. The you asked why we kept typing “werk”, I explained it was because that was how Ron said it. Then you asked if DCF made their findings public and I explained that DCF records are confidential.
Please explain to me how that is “being on your back”?
On Friday, documents were released that may provide clues to the identity of Caylee Anthony’s father.
Melina Calabrese said in an interview with investigators that she and Casey had been close friends since middle school. Calabrese claims Casey told her Caylee’s father was a “really hot guy” from Georgia named Josh who she met at Universal Studios. To read the transcript of the interview, click here.
Casey claims she and Josh had a one-night stand at a hotel and Caylee was conceived. She told Calabrese that Josh died in an auto accident around Caylee’s 2nd birthday.
Fox 35 also reports that Casey tried to hide her pregnancy from her family and friends and only admitted to it when she was in her 7th month.
I don’t no if you all remember Sandra Cantu that was kidnapped and raped by Mellisa Huckby ?
But if you read the Grand Jury transcript it wil make sick to death,that woman could do this .
m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
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Thanks I’ve been waiting for that! LOL
CJ I totally admire you!!! I wish that a few family members and friends from my past had the good enough sense to get clean and sober…they just might be here today.
LadySadie said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
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Please quit arguing. This blog is supposed to be about missing/deceased children. Please stick to the topic. Its posts like these that make ppl not want to come back to this site.
Crisket thank you for the Sandra Cantu info. I am not sure I could stomach it. That woman should be executed for what she did to that beautiful little girl.jmo
oops Cricket. sorry for typo.
CathyJo- I think when Casey killed Caylee she was actually killing Cindy. She wanted Cindy to suffer in a most horrific way and doing this to Caylee was her answer.
I don’t know if anything happened to Casey, it is possible & that may be why Cindy didn’t take her to counseling!
texasmommy39 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:09 pm Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:58 pm “My name is Shockwave, and I too am addicted to Dr. Pepper.” “Hi Shockwave!” “Hi all…it all started when….” LOL!
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Hi my name is TexasMommy39 and I am an addict to cigarretts and Dr.Pepper, but, it wasn’t my fault. LOL See I need major help!!!!
CJ I know addiction takes you down the hardest and darkest road imaginable and that is not what I ment by the easy road that addicts take… it is the lieing and stealing to get what they want and need not legal hard work to obtain it. I am sure you know what I mean.
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Actually,No I don’t at all! I just see you judging an addict for something you haven’t experienced so that means you obviously don’t know what its like or how hard it is to overcome,none of us say as kids,”I wanna grow up and be an addict”
and I also know that lying and stealing is part of addiction……it controls your mind,I lied as a druggy but TG i never stole,and I was
working as a housekeeper in my home and others as well as a hotel and was a mother and a grandma so its not alllllll druggies fit that bill! some do,yes!
an addict has no problem?? they lie to cover for that!!!!!
I am sure you know what I mean.
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wow ty! lol i think??
Hi, Karri! I just this minute left you a note on the Caylee article referring you to THIS one! LOL!
If anyone wants to read the weird, sick, creepy letters monster’s gotten from Sindee and George Marie and MalMal and the public – as well as a few “gems” from people who really stick it to her just go to:
wftv.com/index.html
Scroll down the page and click on what you want to read. This link also includes links to some transcripts. Read the one called Lezn – that’s Nathan, Tony Lazzaro’s roomie when monster was staying with them. It’s a doozie and will help cook her goose, I’m sure.
Lady Sadie, you were coming back at me with every thing I said. but yes you did start to reply to my questions and I do appreciate that.but it took you along time to answer me without posting sarcastically .
I’m sorry that said anything but I didn’t remember the ? asked and answer,because of all the other times.
Sorry
Alex,I disagree only b/c she was killing Caylee to spite Cindy! jmo????
she’d have died and went to hello before she’d have ever let cindy take her!
Karri,
What was the reason you felt the need to address me but not this:
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Cricket said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
shes been on my back since I came here.
but i won’t give her what she wants.
One of my closest friends, and now my daughter’s mother in law, has been struggling with her addictions for over 17 years and we have been friends for over 20. I have helped her many times in hopes of it being the last time she would relapse, but, is painful to watch the ones you love slowly kill themselves or take risks that could take their life.
Gotta run. Need to get things ready for the storms coming my way. TTYL
TG M2!
I was reading the ones from SINdy and omg got angry already,the first 4 pages,sheww
texasmommy39 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:15 pm CJ I totally admire you!!! I wish that a few family members and friends from my past had the good enough sense to get clean and sober…they just might be here today.
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Thank you!
As do I,i have lost i am guessing right at 100 relatives,friends and such to OD’ing in 5 yrs!!
I was lucky!
My Grandson brought me back to life tho TexMom,I thank God for him everyday!
He was my inspiration among others but my biggest!
CathyJo- ita- Killing Caylee got her more satisfaction, in essence hurting Cindy in a way that Cindy will remember and feel for the rest of her life and Casey getting her freedom.
What I don’t understand is how long would this charade have continued if the car had not been abandoned? Would Cindy have ever filed a missing person’s report?
m2c – yes, m2c, but the law is public opinion, and we put that law under a microscope when we feel we are on the right side of it. I’ve been wronged before. As a child I thought I was the one who was in the wrong so I kept silent. I feared I would be judged. Only when I brought that wrong to light did I begin to heal. Before that, it festered, and I made all the wrong choices. Put yourself in CS’s shoes. You have been a victim of physical and mental abuse (so was Misty probably). You used drugs to take the pain away (not everyone possesses the same strengths). You don’t have enough money to support your children and you lose them. You find out your child’s life might be at risk so you take extreme measures. The system has let you down so you don’t care what the system thinks.
What if all you people (and not you directly m2c) who think Crystal’s family took Haleigh are right? Do you really think that pointing your finger at them and judging them is going to bring Haleigh back. No, it just pushes her further and further away. Why don’t people try support instead. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t have all the answers, but I know my anger and resentment never did ME any good.
We need new tapes. There’s 3 months of tapes that we haven’t seen/heard yet.
Texmom,just so you know why I replied the way i did,addiction is a hard thing and harder to overcome,I don’t sugarcoat nothing about it,not a bit period!
It helps no one when you do and thats why i am sensative to it,anyone can judge me,I don’t mind but I know I am not that person anymore!!
and if someone is here listening but hasn’t accepted they’re addicted then I want them to know that I know how hard it is and that I will be understanding and hhelp them because I have been there ,so I needed to tell you that because you made me feel bad when you said you admired me and i thought awwwwww,lol just being honest! lol
Cricket do you have a link for the Grand Jury transcript? I’d be interested in that (I think-maybe not)
CathyJo, your a lucky woman, I don’t have anyone left.
So please don’t think I just clobbered YOU!
CathyJo, your post regarding you overcoming your addiction is an inspiration! Thank you for sharing.
aww Cricket!!!!!! (((((((Cricket))))))))
But you still have you right??? Why do you not recognize you’re the most important one???
Alexandria Loring said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
CathyJo- ita- Killing Caylee got her more satisfaction, in essence hurting Cindy in a way that Cindy will remember and feel for the rest of her life and Casey getting her freedom.
What I don’t understand is how long would this charade have continued if the car had not been abandoned? Would Cindy have ever filed a missing person’s report?
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Cindy and George don’t look to be hurting, to me, because Caylee is dead or they would never back that baby killing witch that sits in jail.
And no, I don’t think she would have filed a damn thing.
shania49 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:53 pm-
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Are you okay? Just checking because I don’t want you to feel jumped on for your opinion. Are you new here? I haven’t been around for a while and recently came back so maybe I missed you. Anyway, Hi and nice to meet you! And you should not feel badly about expressing your opinion here. Really. So I hope you come back.
Thank you very Much Lady!!!!!!! Thats what I want to be,was never much good for anything else,lol but I made it!!!!! and I wish it for everybody! Never thought I’d be happy without drugs! But hey,I can tell you,It just gets better,honest it does!! mind you its hell to get there but worth every painful second,lol
Vaq and CathyJo, I don’t think Sindee would have filed a missing person’s report and if she had she’d have been ignored. She heard almost daily by phone from her daughter who was still in town. Sindee has no legal status in regard to Caylee who was supposedly in her mother’s care (even if with a “nanny.”) Cops have better things to do than track down a non-missing flaky young woman who (it would seem to them) was simply staying away from her toxic parents. There would be no reason for LE to get involved.
texasmommy39 said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:58 pm “My name is Shockwave, and I too am addicted to Dr. Pepper.” “Hi Shockwave!” “Hi all…it all started when….” LOL!
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Hi my name is TexasMommy39 and I am an addict to cigarretts and Dr.Pepper, but, it wasn’t my fault. LOL See I need major help!!!!
CJ I know addiction takes you down the hardest and darkest road imaginable and that is not what I ment by the easy road that addicts take… it is the lieing and stealing to get what they want and need not legal hard work to obtain it. I am sure you know what I mean. 😉
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OMGAWD, me too 😀 Gotta have my DP and ciggies, LOL
Sorry, Alex, my last post should have been addressed to you as well. I goofed.
Gotta agree,cindy woulld have done what she’s always done,swept it under the rug! She created a monster and still tried to get her out of anything,even murdering her grandchild!
If cindy knew,i don’t doubt she would have done anything different except not call 911 that night,thats all she regrets,imo
I should have said that was partly my choosing some of my family were always trying to get me to accept thier life ways and their priorities. Their way was the only right way.
It’s worked for them and thats OK, but trying to live the way they wanted me to helped me destroy myself.
But I have found myself again and happy with I am.
I should have said that was partly my choosing some of my family were always trying to get me to accept thier life ways and their priorities. Their way was the only right way.
It’s worked for them and thats OK, but trying to live the way they wanted me to helped me destroy myself.
But I have found myself again and happy with I am.
m2c- the Sandra Cantu GJR can be found on Examiner.com. It’s about 2000 pages.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:27 pm CathyJo- ita- Killing Caylee got her more satisfaction, in essence hurting Cindy in a way that Cindy will remember and feel for the rest of her life and Casey getting her freedom.
What I don’t understand is how long would this charade have continued if the car had not been abandoned? Would Cindy have ever filed a missing person’s report?
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wanted to add too,if cindy knew beforehand she would have helped her stage a kidnap.or whatever,jmo honest opinion!
I don’t mean before she was killed,whih i wonder about that too,but if cindy knew casey had done that she’d have helped cover it! jmo
gave the wrong hairbrush and stuff,she oughta be in prison with casey!
Igotcha CathyJo- that’s what I thought you meant!
CathJo @ 2:44 – I agree. I think Sindee would have covered that up just like she did every other horrible thing monster did. For HER own sake so she wouldn’t have any shame brought on her (not for monster’s sake IMO)
shania49 said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
I think that Caylee was given to much cloriform
and she died and since Casey was out to have fun she let everyone believe she was asleep..
then she went out and taped her mouth and nose up to make it seem like someone eles did this…but i think and pray that Caylee already has passed at that time..(or that would be just sic’)
As for haleigh..I believe that she overdosed
and all 3 Ronald…Tommy & Misty are involved..
with knowledge of it or her death)
As for Kyron..I think his uncle took him…
Keep up the great work!
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His uncle that lives in another state? I don’t think so, he has no reason too. He’s only in jail for 6 months for groping a teen girl.That’s a long way from being a pedophile who likes to diddle with little boys.
Dying from chloroform is not a pretty way to die.
Symptoms of Chemical poisoning — Chloroform
The list of signs and symptoms mentioned in various sources for Chemical poisoning — Chloroform includes the 26 symptoms listed below:
* Eye irritation
* Corneal damage
* Burning eye sensation
* Nystagmus
* Dilated pupils
* Abnormal heart rhythm
* Vision impairment
* Uritcaria
* Acetone breath
* Heart attack
* Chemical pneumonia
* Fluid in the lungs
* Shallow breathing
* Drowsiness
* Weakness
* Dry mouth
* Dizziness
* CNS depression
* Headache
* Nausea
* Vomiting
* Destruction of red blood cells
* Rapid heart rate
* Enlarged liver
* Reduced blood pressure
* Liver inflammation
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/c/chemical_poisoning_chloroform/symptoms.htm#symptom_list
I aint even going there,zipped,It makes me furious how that B has defended her but never once defended a defenceless child who probably screamed for Mama when the B did it!her own grandchild!
Alex, thank you for the info about Sandra Cantu. I didn’t even know that the GJ transcript was made public.
exactly M2,she and casey both only care about appearances,how it looks on them! gimme a break!Cindy had to be right!
said the car smelled like a body but it was pizza and then order pizza every damn day! I’ll bbs,
CathyJo63 – I wasn’t making light of addiction and seeking help. I was just making light of my love for Dr. Pepper. Which according to some will adorn the new “sin tax” name as the likes of ciggs and suntanning. I never thought of my love for Dr. Pepper as a sin, but too much of anything is bad.
If any of you haven’t watched the movie “The Book of Eli”…you should. Pay attention closely. It has great messages throughout.
CathyJo63 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pm said the car smelled like a body but it was pizza and then order pizza every damn day!
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AND they ATE the pizza that some anonymous person had delivered to their door! Oh how I wish it had been laced with a laxative or something!
m2c- a friend of mine in Stockton went to the court when she was sentenced and from what Irene said, I got the impression that the records were sealed by the Judge but maybe it didn’t include the GJR – just the autopsy & court records. I know the family (Cantu) didn’t want anything released. Precious Sandra imagine your female Sunday School Teacher doing that to you!
M2, here’s the post but you better have a strong heart,brain or whatever it takes it’s pretty graphic .
http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/06/sandra-cantu-grand-jury-and-melissa.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ChatHouseNews+%28Chat+House+News%29
Shockwave said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
CathyJo63 – I wasn’t making light of addiction and seeking help. I was just making light of my love for Dr. Pepper. Which according to some will adorn the new “sin tax” name as the likes of ciggs and suntanning. I never thought of my love for Dr. Pepper as a sin, but too much of anything is bad.
If any of you haven’t watched the movie “The Book of Eli”…you should. Pay attention closely. It has great messages throughout.
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I have that movie at the top of my list to watch as soon as it’s out on DVD.
CathyJo63 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:17 pm texasmommy39 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:09 pm Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:58 pm “My name is Shockwave, and I too am addicted to Dr. Pepper.” “Hi Shockwave!” “Hi all…it all started when….” LOL!
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Hi my name is TexasMommy39 and I am an addict to cigarretts and Dr.Pepper, but, it wasn’t my fault. LOL See I need major help!!!!
CJ I know addiction takes you down the hardest and darkest road imaginable and that is not what I ment by the easy road that addicts take… it is the lieing and stealing to get what they want and need not legal hard work to obtain it. I am sure you know what I mean.
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Actually,No I don’t at all! I just see you judging an addict for something you haven’t experienced so that means you obviously don’t know what its like or how hard it is to overcome,none of us say as kids,”I wanna grow up and be an addict”
and I also know that lying and stealing is part of addiction……it controls your mind,I lied as a druggy but TG i never stole,and I was
working as a housekeeper in my home and others as well as a hotel and was a mother and a grandma so its not alllllll druggies fit that bill! some do,yes!
an addict has no problem?? they lie to cover for that!!!!!
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CJ… Honey… Calm down. I do not believe you have understood my point. I am not nor have I ever judged the addicts in my life. I am fully aware that it is a illness that many have no control over and have not the ability such as yourself to walk away from and stay clean.
I will share a few examples that I am personally experianced with and then you can judge me.
1. I was raised by two high functioning addicts. That always took the easy road and today they are still the same addicts and have nothing, no retirement, no home, not enough $ paid into SS, no heath insurance, no life insurance and they are in their mid 60’s. HMMM does this not sound like some of the people we have came to know involved in this case?
2. First husband and my childrens father, was a acholic by the time he was 15 and later became addicted to Meth. This is why we divorced after 5 years of marriage, because of his addiction and his in ability to control his anger when high and his theiving to get high. Sound familiar.
He is now still a alcoholic that has been diagnosed with Hep C and scirosis of the liver he is only 41.
I have had many in my life that have chose the easy road over the hard one and that was to be a good child, sibling, parent, friend and or spouse. It is much easeir to stay on the easy road of addiction because you do not feel the pain that addicts keep subjegating theirselves and others to and be more than just fuctioning, but, productive and prosperious. That hard road of recovery is not even a consideration much less stepping up to the plate of personal responsibility and actions. What is the old saying…”Nothing worth having is/comes easy.”
I would imagine that I am among many that have drank, but, rarly drink. I am probably one of the few that has tried many drugs and never felt the need to do them again. No need to lie.
I was a young mother (15) and will admit that I was exposed to many drugs and was witness to the effects of alcohol, perscription abuse, cocain,Meth and in recent years ice on people around me (best friend) and even though I tried it as a young person I knew I wanted more out of life. It was important for me to be a good child, parent, sibling, friend and or spouse.
Sorry if you misunderstood my opinion. I hope this explination helps. Addicts have and leave victims that have their own perception and realities. 🙂
CathyJo- They may have been experimenting to see if they could get that smell from some type of pizza.
Just jumping in here for a second…..Sexual abuse may be charged for allowing/permitting a child to witness sexual activity. If a child acts out or talks about situations or actions it constitutes a complaint of abuse.
Just an FYI
Alex, maybe what I read in the blog above was hogwash but to just read what they claim to GJ
transcript , I have no idea why a person would want to put out something so gruesome.
Alex, I agree with Sandra’s family that details should be sealed so I’m wondering what’s in the GJ testimony. Not sure I want to wade thru 1000 pages to find out though.
A complete analysis was done of decomposing body to decomposing pizza, and there was hardly no comparison at all. They might as well have compared an apple to an orange. Same results.
Sexual predators are sometimes past victims. Someone should look into “the Sunday School” teachers past. I’m not saying that if she has a past it makes it okay for her to do what she did to Cantu, but I am saying that there may be another child predator out there yet to be discovered.
CathyJo63 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:25 pm if it was her family i’d want them in jail anyway,because if their motive was to save her they could have done that yrs ago,only reason imo they’d be interested was money and revenge,I don’t see those ppl helping anybody,not even family,jmo
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I feel the same.
What a crazy world it would be if non-custodial parents (pursuant to court orders) were allowed to kidnap their children, pretend they were abducted, waste major public resources (this investigation would have cost a fortune) and not face criminal prosecution. We have a woman who ran a drug house with kids in it, a mom so addicted to drugs she completely disregarded the health of the daughter in her womb to take them, and a boyfriend/step-brother who is a crackhead. You really think druggies like that should be allowed to kidnap kids and lie to LE about it? Not me.
I should have added, not to mention the hell they put a disadvantaged teenager through…if they did this, they ought to go away for years just for ruining Misty’s life.
VQ, I gave up all the bad things in mylife except pepsi and cigs. I’ve tried but cigs are far worse to quit than anything else.
I would forgive all to see Haleigh alive and well. Yes, probably doesn’t need to live MG’s family if they kidnapped her, but if Crystal doesn’t know anything like some of you insist she doesn’t then I think it would be just fine for her to live with bio-mom.
If my child was tricked out from under me, and I thought she was living with drug dealers and her life was in danger I might try to pull the same shitake.
Also, I don’t remember seeing Crystal in the car when Misty was caught on video selling drugs. So, how did Crystal put Misty through all that hell. I think people forget the real reason why Misty is in jail in the first place. I think she needs help, and not jail, but it was her own doing.
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:41 pm LadySadie – I feel you just want to argue. I have not preached to you. I have offered up my beliefs and I listened to yours, and in a mature way, as a friend, I only asked you to consider the possibility of not judging someone. I never said you were a terrible person. That would be preaching to someone.
CathyJo63 – you are probably right. Logic tells us that most people would be in an uproar to find that Crystal’s maternal family did hide Haleigh. Most people would rather see their own agenda of punishment come to light. So much so that they would forget about Haleigh and what is right for her. Judgement has always prevailed in these types of cases. No one ever motions to see the real truth, and the truth is never found. So I’m motioning for others to lay down their negative opinions and agendas for once, so that the truth, wherever dark place it lies, can come to light without the weight of the world’s condemnation on its shoulders. I’ve been through Haleigh’s case from the beginning, and my theories and judgments have not brought Haleigh home.
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Shockwave,
Where you lose me and come across as judgmental, is when you say “Most people would rather see their own agenda of punishment come to light. So much so that they would forget about Haleigh and what is right for her.”
Do you see how you are being rude and insulting to Lady and the rest of us by saying that? You might think that children being kidnapped by druggies, teenagers lives being ruined by being falsely accused of killing a child, asking for money to support their family, starting a foundation etc has nothing to do with what is right for Haleigh, imo.
Are you seriously okay with what they have done to Misty and others if they are behind this?
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:41 pm LadySadie – I feel you just want to argue. I have not preached to you. I have offered up my beliefs and I listened to yours, and in a mature way, as a friend, I only asked you to consider the possibility of not judging someone. I never said you were a terrible person. That would be preaching to someone.
CathyJo63 – you are probably right. Logic tells us that most people would be in an uproar to find that Crystal’s maternal family did hide Haleigh. Most people would rather see their own agenda of punishment come to light. So much so that they would forget about Haleigh and what is right for her. Judgement has always prevailed in these types of cases. No one ever motions to see the real truth, and the truth is never found. So I’m motioning for others to lay down their negative opinions and agendas for once, so that the truth, wherever dark place it lies, can come to light without the weight of the world’s condemnation on its shoulders. I’ve been through Haleigh’s case from the beginning, and my theories and judgments have not brought Haleigh home.
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Shockwave,
Where you lose me and come across as judgmental, is when you say “Most people would rather see their own agenda of punishment come to light. So much so that they would forget about Haleigh and what is right for her.”
Do you see how you are being rude and insulting to Lady and the rest of us by saying that? You might think that children being kidnapped by druggies, teenagers lives being ruined by being falsely accused of killing a child, asking for money to support their family, starting a foundation etc has nothing to do with what is right for Haleigh, imo.
Are you seriously okay with what they have done to Misty and others if they are behind this?
m2c- it must be very gruesome- as Melissa Huckabee plead guilty because according to her she did not want to put the family through anymore pain by having everything aired in open court. Then on sentencing day she says in open court that she did not sexually abuse Sandra. I think the judge read the autopsy report so she isn’t fooling anyone except her loyal followers!
Cricket said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
VQ, I gave up all the bad things in mylife except pepsi and cigs. I’ve tried but cigs are far worse to quit than anything else.
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that’s the truth. I quit for almost 2 months after I got the flu a few years ago and went right back to them. I’ve tried to quit before to no avail. My momma just put her cig packs and in a drawer and never looked back.
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 3:41 pm I would forgive all to see Haleigh alive and well. Yes, probably doesn’t need to live MG’s family if they kidnapped her, but if Crystal doesn’t know anything like some of you insist she doesn’t then I think it would be just fine for her to live with bio-mom.
If my child was tricked out from under me, and I thought she was living with drug dealers and her life was in danger I might try to pull the same shitake.
Also, I don’t remember seeing Crystal in the car when Misty was caught on video selling drugs. So, how did Crystal put Misty through all that hell. I think people forget the real reason why Misty is in jail in the first place. I think she needs help, and not jail, but it was her own doing.
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In case you missed it, Misty has been blamed for this for 18 months now…”Misty is the key” became a mantra. You think Crystal and family didn’t notice that?
I don’t feel for a minute that Crystal did this because she felt Haleigh would be better off with her when she not only refused to support the child, refused to get her adequate medical attention and had her living with a crackhead every second weekend? She also took drugs with Chloe in her womb….do you think she did that because she thought it was best for Chloe? Goodness.
me- While I don’t think it’s right for someone to kidnap a child to some extent that is what DCFS/CPS does everyday. Yes it is done legally but often the child is moved to( and no offense to anyone in any other county but what I’ve witnessed in Sacramento County)a foster home that is worse then the home they were taken from! So if a family member or friend took Haleigh to protect her from some horrible fate, I would not have a problem with giving them community service and making them pay for the cost of the investigation and all the searches.
However, I find it hard to beleive that such a well planned kidnapping took place for if the place was so bad then both children should have been removed!
Alex @ 3:49. She’s got “loyal followers?” Really? OMG. I did not know that. The world is worse off than I thought and I did think it was pretty bad before. Geesh.
Alex,
IMO, if that side took her, it was all about money and they ought to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Kidnapping children so you can shake a tin can, raffle cars, start phony foundations etc is not on.
Joran Vand sloot has loyal followers too. Makes ya wonder doesnt it how some can be so stupid. jmo
m2c- from her church!
Okay, been away for awhile and am trying to catch up and BELIEVE ME I’m not trying to start any arguements but HUH? What they put MISTY through? No one forced her to shack up with older guys or runaway with men or basically sell herself for drugs or for her to do drugs or to do anything she did! It drives me nuts for people to say “she was disadvantaged” so that excuses her behavior. NO it doesn’t in my VERY humble opinion. Rich people commit crimes. Poor people commit crimes. People of both sexes and all colors commit crimes. It doesn’t matter which side of the tracks you come from, whether you’ve been beaten, abused or born with a silver spoon in your mouth….JUSTICE IS BLIND! You commit a crime, you do the time….doesn’t matter how you were raised, who raised you, whether you had no food or more food than you could ever eat, whether you dropped out in 6th grade or have a master’s degree. It is about CHOICES! Am I to believe that because Joran Van Der Sloot was privileged, had all the food, money, clothing, opportunities and education he could ever want that he isn’t guilty of his crimes and shouldn’t be held accountable because he was “spoiled rotten” as a child? What is the difference. Remember Lady Justice wears a blindfold. She doesn’t care who you are, where you come from, what you look like…she only cares whether or not you are guilty of a crime. I believe, from watching the UC videos that Misty committed a crime and should do the time. Sorry for her upbrining but MANY kids who were raised JUST like her CHOSE to rise above it, go to school, get good grades and are fine doctors, teachers and law abiding citizens. Personal responsibility. JMO
VQ, I was pergnent 4 times and gave them up,but soon as they came out my first thought was to get one. Everyone would get mad and say you gave that long now your going back. Yes and still am.
Tobias- I think they’re brain dead! Honestly would any person with half a brain let their child be around Huckabee? Would anyone with half a brain want to have Joran’s baby ? No, they have to be brain dead.
Oh, and I’ll be under the doghouse chewing frantically on a rawhide bone awaiting my fate if anyone needs me! 😯
JB,
You really think that it’s ok for an adult or adults to let a child be blamed for harm to another child, when they know that child is innocent? Wow. Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that.
Tobias / Alex – AMEN – I don’t know why people love the criminals. I mean, so many serial killers have received dozens if not hundreds of marriage proposals for Pete’s sake. Casey has received proposals. Joran is receiving them. FREAKS ME OUT! Why would someone find a murderer, especially a CHILD murderer SEXY or DESIRABLE? 😯
JB,
OT….have you heard from Cathartic lately? I haven’t seen her here for ages and hope she is ok?
CATHARTIC…if you are reading, please say hi and let us know you are ok.
JB- you got me there! I would be afraid they would kill me but some of these people think they can change the person!
me – I don’t know which adult or adults are blaming what child for harming another child when they know they are innocent?! Are you talking about people blaming Misty for harming Haleigh? Who “KNOWS” that she is innocent? I don’t. Do you KNOW she is innocent? None of us know that anymore than we know that Crystal, Ron, Tommy, Timmy, Joe, a RSO or other person is innocent. I have no idea who took Haleigh. But Misty chose to run away, she chose to not stay in school, she chose to do drugs, she chose to sleep with Tom, Dick and Harry. She chose to live with Ron and took on the responsibility of the kids. She also chose to do drugs and sell drugs and that is a crime. She is in jail on THOSE charges. IMO she is guilty of that crime and should do the time. As far as doing time for Haleigh, she hasn’t been charged with any crime related to Haleigh nor is she facing time for anything related to Haleigh so I’m not sure what you are even talking about. Sorry, you lost me.
me – no, haven’t seen Cathartic….is something wrong? I haven’t had time to post for several days. When was the last time she was spotted online?
Again, Misty and others are in jail because they were caught on video dealing drugs, and not Haleigh. So your point eludes me.
I am merely challenging those who would normally point their fingers and wave them in your face because it is easier to do – to instead have compassion and understanding, and then maybe the truth will present itself. The definition of crazy is trying to solve a problem the same way every time, and expecting different results (judging others in this case). Caylee was found by a meter man. He wasn’t in the media spotlight, and he didn’t wear a big hat. No one would listen to him. He knew what he saw, and he never gave up. How many times I wonder have we seen the truth right in front of our faces, but ignored it because we were so blinded by our own opinions.
I’m saying, that if you are right, and MG has hidden Haleigh and she is alive, then Hallelujah Haleigh is not dead, and I am willing to forget everything else, because by the faith of God and all our prayers a child was returned. If not, then someone should pay for her death. If you claim that the maternal family took her to hide her then they didn’t murder her, maybe they only protected her, and why would you want to punish them for that.
JB – I don’t disagree with what you are saying…exactly. I don’t believe things are that black and white. I don’t know why some people are strong enough to rise above their lot in life and others are not. However, in Misty’s case I can’t help but feel that she didn’t understand the choices. She did not have any mentors that I know of. I do believe many people that do “rise above” will attribute their success to a person (coach, teacher, neighbor) who took an interest in them at some point. Misty had her parents and eventually a 25 year old man to “mentor” her.
Just my opinion.
JB – I don’t disagree with what you are saying…exactly. I don’t believe things are that black and white. I don’t know why some people are strong enough to rise above their lot in life and others are not. However, in Misty’s case I can’t help but feel that she didn’t understand the choices. She did not have any mentors that I know of. I do believe many people that do “rise above” will attribute their success to a person (coach, teacher, neighbor) who took an interest in them at some point. Misty had her parents and eventually a 25 year old man to “mentor” her.
Just my opinion.
JB said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:18 pm me – I don’t know which adult or adults are blaming what child for harming another child when they know they are innocent?! Are you talking about people blaming Misty for harming Haleigh? Who “KNOWS” that she is innocent?
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If the Sheffield/Griffis are responsible, then they know she is innocent and they have allowed her to be blamed for 18 months now.
As for your suggestion that an 11 year old chooses not to go to school…you have got to be kidding. You really don’t believe parents should be responsible for ensuring their kids go to school? Goodness. At 11, I wouldn’t have gone to school either if my parents didn’t say I had to. That’s why the law says it’s the parents that are responsible, not the 11 year olds. Your lack of compassion is startling. We will have to agree to disagree.
JB said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:20 pm me – no, haven’t seen Cathartic….is something wrong? I haven’t had time to post for several days. When was the last time she was spotted online?
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I haven’t seen her in months now…since about the time of the river search. I do hope she is ok.
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:22 pm Again, Misty and others are in jail because they were caught on video dealing drugs, and not Haleigh. So your point eludes me.
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You must have missed NG saying over and over that Misty is the key, she knows something etc. LE have also very publicly said the same.
Did you know Hardy’s son was charged with far more serious offences than Misty and got out on less than $10k bond?
No one knows how old Misty was when she stopped going to school just what grade she stopped at. She could have failed or been held back. I believe with her reading difficulties she would have been in the special needs classes at school. She could have been 14.jmo
Shockwave,
You think crackheads, mothers who care so little about their children that they refuse to support them and abuse them by selfishly subjecting them to illegal drugs while still in the womb, and a grandma who thought it was ok to run a drug house with children in it should be allowed to steal children because they think they are the better caregivers and should get away with it? You think they should be allowed to ask the public for donations to find the child knowing the child is not lost is ok?
Again, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Me – Misty was not arrested because of Haleigh. She was arrested because she sold drugs to an undercover cop. The words that come out of NG’s mouth mean nothing to me. She is a media glamour hoard, and she bends the truth to sell her show. So, she can say “Misty’s the Key” a million times and I would not believe her. When someone confesses, and hopefully in Haleigh’s favor, I will believe it.
Me – I think you NG would hire you on the spot. I’m out for today.
To everybody in Alex’s path, please be safe and don’t take chances.
me- I think Imm committed more serious crimes but the degree of the felony charged was less than the ones charged in Misty’s case. All his felonies should have been 1st degree!
Its also one count not 8. jmo
If Misty was not involved in Haleigh’s case there is no way I will believe that PCSO would have gone after her. Take a look at what others have been charged with in the drug world in Putnam county, look at their bonds, like at how many times they get released without serving time. If PCSO had never heard of Misty Croslin she may have gone years in Putnam as a minuscule street dealer before ever getting arrested, and then you can bet her bond would be small and she would get a slap on the wrist.
If Misty had not gone along with the UC, you can bet PCSO would have concocted some other way to get Misty behind bars. That is my opinion based on watching for the last 16+ months at what has gone on in Putnam county.
Methamphetamine is an awful drug. He’s not only charged with selling it, but also manufacturing it. He’s also charged with child endangerment. Far more serious than a kid selling a few doctor prescribed pills imo.
WhyLie- you scared me for a miute lol, I thought you were referring to me!
ME – As Shockwave stated…Misty isn’t charged or being confined for Haleigh. She is being charged and confined for drugs and from what SHE has said in her jailhouse tapes ALONG with the UC video, I’d say she is guilty (I believe SHE has said as much).
If Crystal’s clan did infact take Haleigh and she is alive then HURRAY! Would it be RIGHT what they did? NO! And I believe they would be charged with MANY crimes. But I would be VERY happy for Haleigh to be returned safe and sound. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want those responsible, WHOMEVER they are, held accountable for all the heartache. You keep saying that they would be accountable for Misty being accused when they knew she was innocent. She hasn’t been charged for anything but drugs so I don’t understand your point. And we don’t know that they have Haleigh so I don’t know that they KNOW Misty is innocent of anything. It is all hypothetical and so seems silly to even try to debate it.
If it will help, let me restate that IF Crystal’s family took Haleigh and IF she were returned safe and sound I would be THRILLED but I wouldn’t be thrilled with Crystal’s family and I believe they would and should be charged with many crimes.
Could I understand someone, anyone wanting to get Haleigh out of that mess she lived in? YES! Would I think they would leave JR behind if that were the case? NO! Would they be wrong for taking Haleigh? YES! Because it was illegal, it caused trauma to so many, including Haleigh, and a host of other reasons.
But the point is Misty hasn’t been charged with anything other than the drug charges. And YES, I believe she is guilty and irregardless of her upbringing, should do the time. JMO
tobias, exactly! It was one count. Why didn’t the UC on the Imms case go after more deals, larger quantities? Why did they go after Misty on multiple deals and the Sheriffs son only one deal? So that Misty would face massive amounts of time, and Imms wouldn’t, imo.
From first coast news…
Joshua Troy Imm, 26, Hardy’s son; Scott Charles Hood, 34; Johanna Leigh Smith, 26; Amanda Ashley Tomlinson, 22; were arrested after selling drugs to undercover officers in the parking lot of the Sunoco convenience store, at 276 Hwy. 17 South, in east Palatka.
During the investigation, detectives found that a 2-year-old was waiting inside the suspects’ vehicle during the transaction. The child was released to family members, and the Florida Department of Children and Family Services was notified.
Detectives found the suspects also were manufacturing methamphetamine at a second location in Palatka. They dismantled the lab.
Imm was arrested and charged with the sale of methamphetamine, possession of listed chemicals used to manufacture methamphetamine, maintaining a drug vehicle, possession of drug paraphernalia, and child neglect. His bond was set at just over $7,000.
Alex, LOL, sorry. I thought about that after I posted.
JB said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:46 pm ME – As Shockwave stated…Misty isn’t charged or being confined for Haleigh. She is being charged and confined for drugs and from what SHE has said in her jailhouse tapes ALONG with the UC video, I’d say she is guilty (I believe SHE has said as much).
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I never said she was charged or being confined for Haleigh, but I think you know that. I said many were blaming her for Haleigh’s disappearance. Responsible adults don’t let children take the blame for offences they have committed, and if the Sheffields/Griffis have done that, I hope they are punished severely.
Alex – LMAO – that is what I thought at first! LOL – I was like…”WHAT DID I MISS NOW?” then I realized she was talking about the hurricane! ROFLMAO
Thanks for the chuckle WhyLie…even if it was unintended….we needed it!
So, JG, can I assume that if you stole a child because you thought it was in that child’s best interest to be stolen, you’d have no qualms about letting a child be blamed for it? I would sooner die than put a child through that.
ME – I don’t think “responsible adults” and the “Sheffields/Griffis” belong in the same sentence, do they? LOL Now THAT is something we can certainly agree on!
Don’t do the CRIME if you can’t do the TIME.
Its simple. 🙂
JB…lol…yep, we can agree on that.
BTW, did you read about the “James Michael Hoberg” arrest? I’m wondering if he’s been questioned about Haleigh.
ME – People have blamed Misty, they’ve blamed Joe, they’ve blamed Ron, they’ve blamed Tommy, they’ve blamed Nay Nay, TN, and I think Santa Clause but NONE are facing any charges….not even Santa. I’ve been blamed many times in my life for things I didn’t do. Happens all the time. NOW, if I were CHARGED with a CRIME I didn’t commit, that would be different. But right now the only thing Misty has dealt with is accusations from bloggers, media, etc. And she certainly hasn’t helped her case any by telling a different story everyday or saying Joe killed her and threw the child in the river. Those are her words. She makes it appear that she does know what happened but isn’t telling. It is like that Joran Van Der Sloot thing….yes I did it, not I didn’t, okay I know what happened, no I didn’t, Okay I’m REALLY going to tell what happened, no, I lied. It is MORBID and think what Misty’s words have done to Haleigh’s family? ALL of her family. Misty does as much harm to Misty as anyone else. Blame MISTY for MISTY’S actions and words. Not someone else.
James Hoberg is another crackhead, who was busted for crack in Welaka about 6 weeks before Haleigh went missing. He was arrested at 1am the other day for lewd and lavicious conduct against a child under 12. I’ve checked the local papers and can’t find it reported and am curious about the circumstances, eg, whether he allegedly broke into a home with people sleeping to molest the child.
JB,
I have no idea what you have been blamed for in your life, but I doubt very much it’s the same as a 17 year old being blamed nationwide for harming a young child. I doubt any of us can imagine what it would be like to be falsely accused of such a heinous crime at such a young age.
Isn’t that like putting “Croslin” or “Casey Anthony” and “telling the truth” in the same sentence?
ME – no, hadn’t read about the arrest! Tell me more! Actually, I have to go for now but if you can point me to some info I’ll look tomorrow to see what info you left for me.
ME. Enjoyed the debate. Passionate…but friendly….. ***extending hand in friendship*****
Night all! HUGS!
Me you refer to Misty as a child, well if she is a child then you must feel Ron was guilty of statutory rape? And he should be in jail for abusing her since she was a child?
I dont see her as a child at all, she was a young adult but not a child. jmo
ME – but why do you think people accused Misty? Because 1) she was the last KNOWN person to see Haleigh 2) Because she was responsible for her care when she went missing 3) because her story has changed and changed often 4) because of her own comments like Haleigh ruining her birthday, didn’t want to babysit, total disconnect when it came to Haleigh 5) because one minute she says she doesn’t know anything and then she’s talking about her cousin throwing the baby in the river for the gators to eat. I mean, if she’s innocent, she sure hasn’t acted like it. HER OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS have put her under the microscope.
Okay, I REALLY have to go! Hugs. 😀
Misty is a child in mind and I think Ron played her to the max.
tobias,
I don’t follow your logic at all. I had sex before 16 and the guys I had sex with did not rape me!!! Most states have the age of consent at 16. Florida’s laws are archaic in that regard. It is well known that most children lose their virginity in their teens. I have no idea what that has to do with harming 5 yer olds or why you think the matters are at all related.
Because I had consensual sex at 16, do you think it would have been ok for adults to kidnap a child and blame me for it?
Big difference between a 17 year old willingly sleeping with her boyfriend, and adults blaming a 17 year old for harming a child when they know that is a lie.
JB…imo, Misty was accused because she was an easy scapegoat. She did not have the means to fight back.
JAMES MICHAEL HOBERG
SATSUMA, FL
Booking Date & Time: 6/29/2010 1:05:00 AM – Booking#: 10-02757
Release Date & Time:
DOB: 7/22/1967 – RACE: W – SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
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So you are saying Misty was adult enough to decide to have sex but when it comes to what may or may not have happened to Haleigh she is now a child? jmo
Maybe imms figured out he was being UC’d and the arrest had to be made quickly.
You can tell the “faux fab five” weren’t aware.
The state of florida will give misty her day in court, don’t worry. Just get your popcorn ready. 🙂
tobias,
No, I’m not saying that.
I’m saying it doesn’t matter what age a child loses their virginity at, it in no way justifies adults deliberately falsely accusing that child of harming another child.
Do you think because I had consensual sex at 16, that it would have been ok for adults to knowingly falsely accuse me of harming a child? I don’t see how one has anything to do with the other.
Shockwave @ 3:35 – Misty was targeted because of Haleigh. Even Tim Miller said that LE was probably going to have to get her in jail for something else to scare the info out of her. It was in an interview last October I believe.
It’s a common tactic. They waited until she was an adult, they called her again and again after she turned them down AND they didn’t arrest her the first time which they could have. And THEY offered her hundreds of pills. I don’t believe she ever had that many to sell until LE gave them to her. No. They targeted her and deliberately got her for decades of time. They did not have to do that. It’s almost like revenge really. Like hitting a fly with a tank. Pitiful performance on LE’s part. Just pitiful.
m2c…ITA.
M2C, We have no proof yet how many times they called her. She met him somewhere and gave him her phone number otherwise how would he know it? Mistys first sell was with Donna and they had their own pills 160 to sell, if not to the UC then to someone else. The rest they collected from friends and they were gearing up to sell for the UC on a regular basis, didnt you watch the tapes? jmo bbl
I just wish any adult – a parent, a relative, a friend, neighbor, DCFS or LE – had put 1/2 as much effort into helping M anytime since she dropped out of school in 6th grade as they have in getting her for drugs. If anyone had, she may not have been in this position now or 1 1/2 years ago.
Tobias, yes I saw the tapes. As I said,pitiful job on LE’s part. And please see my post at 5:40
Me I think it matters a lot when a child loses their virginity. And I dont believe anyone should be 16 when they make that decision, especially if its with an adult. jmo
m2c,
Exactly. She has been used, abused and thrown away by adults. Adults are supposed to look after children. Since when did we expect 11 year olds to look after themselves and hold them responsible for not getting to school?….jeez.
This is what T’s me off about some people in our society. They’d much rather have their state build more jails than do anything preventive – like more Head Start and Early Head Starts. Like following up when kids drop out of school. Like providing programs and guidance and keeping an eye on the family and home. That’s where the money needs to go and we wouldn’t need so d many jails.
But no one’s interested in a girl – who they claim was being victimized as a 16 yr old shacking up with an older man – until something goes wrong that might be her fault or until she breaks the law. THEN everybody’s interested in her. Just disgusting.
Me, where are you getting the 11 year old, Misty was 14 when she quit going to school and ran away not 11. She went to New Jersey with a boy friend and DCF went and found her. Why she wasnt back in school after they returned her is a big question. jmo
A really big question is why was Misty returned to Hank & Lisa’s home. Not wanting to argue the virtues of foster care, but many times it is the much better alternative than returning the children to an abusive/negligent home, until the parents get their act together where the home is no longer a danger to the child.
Andrea Lyon just left the KC Anthony defense team! WOW!
See orlandosentinel.com
finally,lol been trying to post for 10 mins! lol
the page was gone,tg it appeared,lol
reappeared!’
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m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 5:32 pm Shockwave @ 3:35 – Misty was targeted because of Haleigh. Even Tim Miller said that LE was probably going to have to get her in jail for something else to scare the info out of her. It was in an interview last October I believe.
It’s a common tactic. They waited until she was an adult, they called her again and again after she turned them down AND they didn’t arrest her the first time which they could have. And THEY offered her hundreds of pills. I don’t believe she ever had that many to sell until LE gave them to her. No. They targeted her and deliberately got her for decades of time. They did not have to do that. It’s almost like revenge really. Like hitting a fly with a tank. Pitiful performance on LE’s part. Just pitiful.
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Wow,SO ME AND OJ AIN’T THE ONLY ONES,LOL
That see’s the wrong there!
gotta catch up guys!
WhyLie said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:44 pm If Misty was not involved in Haleigh’s case there is no way I will believe that PCSO would have gone after her. Take a look at what others have been charged with in the drug world in Putnam county, look at their bonds, like at how many times they get released without serving time. If PCSO had never heard of Misty Croslin she may have gone years in Putnam as a minuscule street dealer before ever getting arrested, and then you can bet her bond would be small and she would get a slap on the wrist.
If Misty had not gone along with the UC, you can bet PCSO would have concocted some other way to get Misty behind bars. That is my opinion based on watching for the last 16+ months at what has gone on in Putnam county.
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And how many times was ron caught and got off!!!!
They could have done it then and I don’t care what anybody says,Its BS when the le says the drugs have nothing to do with Haleigh! yea right! jmo
m2c- Andrea Lyon doesn’t want to ruin her record of avoiding the death penalty! I think she believes Casey will be sentenced to death & she doesn’t want that on her record!
Or she read Cindy’s letter that implied Andrea Lyon would help get Casey into the Law School she works at and didn’t like that!
m2c said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Andrea Lyon just left the KC Anthony defense team! WOW!
See orlandosentinel.com
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Not sure if it was Peter Hyatt or Simon that said it on Simon & Jan’s weekly show, but one of the predicted this about 2 weeks ago. Said she wouldn’t want to ruin her “perfect” record.
me said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:34 pm Shockwave,
You think crackheads, mothers who care so little about their children that they refuse to support them and abuse them by selfishly subjecting them to illegal drugs while still in the womb, and a grandma who thought it was ok to run a drug house with children in it should be allowed to steal children because they think they are the better caregivers and should get away with it? You think they should be allowed to ask the public for donations to find the child knowing the child is not lost is ok?
Again, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
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Agree,why the hell did they collect money?? They didn’t raise Haleigh! Ron should have gotten every cent,even if I don’t like him…jmo He raised her to get to age 5?? jmo
CathyJo- I thought Hurricane Alex got you! lol
Alex,Andrea and casey go together,remember the pic of the noose casey had online,that said something like,why do ppl kill ppl to show ppl that killing ppl is wrong” crazyyyyy
No Hurricane Scamthonys did Alex,grrrrrr
Cathy, I have a theory that all 3 of them did something involving drugs that caused Haleigh to be missing. Thats why they wont talk. But its just one of my theories. jmo
Misty will have a trial if she wants one.
Does anyone know stats on how many times out of 100 entrapment gets charges kicked on drug stings?
misty has a chance, no doubt….and a limo waiting.
Ita, refresh if forever on a bunch of us.
Hello everyone… happy hump day!!!!
me said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:25 pm JB said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:18 pm me – I don’t know which adult or adults are blaming what child for harming another child when they know they are innocent?! Are you talking about people blaming Misty for harming Haleigh? Who “KNOWS” that she is innocent?
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If the Sheffield/Griffis are responsible, then they know she is innocent and they have allowed her to be blamed for 18 months now.
As for your suggestion that an 11 year old chooses not to go to school…you have got to be kidding. You really don’t believe parents should be responsible for ensuring their kids go to school? Goodness. At 11, I wouldn’t have gone to school either if my parents didn’t say I had to. That’s why the law says it’s the parents that are responsible, not the 11 year olds. Your lack of compassion is startling. We will have to agree to disagree.
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Shux,I never let school get in the way of my edukashun! LoL
I gotta finish catching up to see who thinks its ok to drop out or whatever at 11! LoL
Jaba, I think if the bloggers were on the jury she would have a chance but in the general public its a different story. We have gotten to know these people through research. The general public doesnt know what we do. Misty wont beat it at trial in my opinion. Floridians are sick of all the drugs infecting the area and after watching the tapes there is not much of a chance. jmo
On WFTV- a father left his two children home alone with crack & razor blades lying about. Mother is a corrections officer at a juvenile detention center. The 6 year old went out of the house looking for food while the sick 4 month old baby remained in the home. Both parents were arrested!
um, so you are saying Misty didn’t have a choice and that she was FORCED to sell drugs? that’s a good one…
she is toast.. SHE had a choice.. she could actually have gone out and maybe applied for some jobs, or even gone to an educational institution in the community and applied to get back in to school.. taken some tests, tc…
you play, you pay. sorry, tough love
texasmommy39 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 3:01 pm CathyJo63 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:17 pm texasmommy39 said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:09 pm Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 1:58 pm “My name is Shockwave, and I too am addicted to Dr. Pepper.” “Hi Shockwave!” “Hi all…it all started when….” LOL!
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Hi my name is TexasMommy39 and I am an addict to cigarretts and Dr.Pepper, but, it wasn’t my fault. LOL See I need major help!!!!
CJ I know addiction takes you down the hardest and darkest road imaginable and that is not what I ment by the easy road that addicts take… it is the lieing and stealing to get what they want and need not legal hard work to obtain it. I am sure you know what I mean.
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Actually,No I don’t at all! I just see you judging an addict for something you haven’t experienced so that means you obviously don’t know what its like or how hard it is to overcome,none of us say as kids,”I wanna grow up and be an addict”
and I also know that lying and stealing is part of addiction……it controls your mind,I lied as a druggy but TG i never stole,and I was
working as a housekeeper in my home and others as well as a hotel and was a mother and a grandma so its not alllllll druggies fit that bill! some do,yes!
an addict has no problem?? they lie to cover for that!!!!!
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CJ… Honey… Calm down. I do not believe you have understood my point. I am not nor have I ever judged the addicts in my life. I am fully aware that it is a illness that many have no control over and have not the ability such as yourself to walk away from and stay clean.
I will share a few examples that I am personally experianced with and then you can judge me.
1. I was raised by two high functioning addicts. That always took the easy road and today they are still the same addicts and have nothing, no retirement, no home, not enough $ paid into SS, no heath insurance, no life insurance and they are in their mid 60’s. HMMM does this not sound like some of the people we have came to know involved in this case?
2. First husband and my childrens father, was a acholic by the time he was 15 and later became addicted to Meth. This is why we divorced after 5 years of marriage, because of his addiction and his in ability to control his anger when high and his theiving to get high. Sound familiar.
He is now still a alcoholic that has been diagnosed with Hep C and scirosis of the liver he is only 41.
I have had many in my life that have chose the easy road over the hard one and that was to be a good child, sibling, parent, friend and or spouse. It is much easeir to stay on the easy road of addiction because you do not feel the pain that addicts keep subjegating theirselves and others to and be more than just fuctioning, but, productive and prosperious. That hard road of recovery is not even a consideration much less stepping up to the plate of personal responsibility and actions. What is the old saying…”Nothing worth having is/comes easy.”
I would imagine that I am among many that have drank, but, rarly drink. I am probably one of the few that has tried many drugs and never felt the need to do them again. No need to lie.
I was a young mother (15) and will admit that I was exposed to many drugs and was witness to the effects of alcohol, perscription abuse, cocain,Meth and in recent years ice on people around me (best friend) and even though I tried it as a young person I knew I wanted more out of life. It was important for me to be a good child, parent, sibling, friend and or spouse.
Sorry if you misunderstood my opinion. I hope this explination helps. Addicts have and leave victims that have their own perception and realities
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First of all,Calm down?? huh? You did not see the post i replied to you about,Did not need to calm down? I explained why i said it the way i did! LoL
I was born to 2 alcoholics,adopted out,married at 15,mom at 16,husband was an alcoholic
(God rest his little soul)
and i was an addict,just to let you know we have some things in common and I agree fully that druggies are selfish people,even I was because if I didn’t have my 20 hydros per day my family paid for it because their day was shot,thats how they become enablers,They want to have a good day so they had better follow the plan! Miserable and so selfish!
I wish I had seen it sooner than I did but just didn’t! jmo
Andrea Lyon is leaving for fiancial reasons…
like she doesn’t want to stay at Motel 6 or eat at McDonalds? She probably doesn’t want the judge to scrutenize her spending!
so my point is,Its hard on our families too,We don’t only destroy our lives,but everyones around us too! jmo
How about compassion for the people hurt or robbed from by pill heads?
But, hell, what’s a few pills? What’s a few grams of meth or coke? Let ’em sell it and take it, it will never effect anyone but themselves and their dealers. No problem. Let all the alcohol abusers who drive drunk and run over kids get some compassion, they had a rough upbringing and didn’t finish school, too.
Pay to play, folks. Don’t like it, don’t play it.
Flordians will have their say in this at the end of the day. We see what they think of the crime by the stiff sentences for crimes the 3F Gang are charged with.
She knows she aint got a snowballs chance in hello? Alex,lol
hey Alex! Hey CJ
tobias said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Misty wont beat it at trial in my opinion. Floridians are sick of all the drugs infecting the area and after watching the tapes there is not much of a chance. jmo
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Hi iltsm!
heya yourself ILoves!!!
Alex,
Yep. Crack is an awful drug. Crack and kids don’t mix. Another one of the reasons I remain highly suspicious of the Sheffield side. Crackheads do very crazy things.
It’s also one of the reasons James Hoberg being arrested for molesting a child in that area scares me.
tobias said,in June 30th, 2010 at 6:49 pm Cathy, I have a theory that all 3 of them did something involving drugs that caused Haleigh to be missing. Thats why they wont talk. But its just one of my theories. jmo
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One thing I am very certain of Tobias is whatever happened has got to be bad!!!!! So bad that the truth is worse than what they’re facing now?? jmo
tobias said,in June 30th, 2010 at 6:49 pm Cathy, I have a theory that all 3 of them did something involving drugs that caused Haleigh to be missing. Thats why they wont talk. But its just one of my theories. jmo
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One thing I am very certain of Tobias is whatever happened has got to be bad!!!!! So bad that the truth is worse than what they’re facing now?? jmo
vaquera said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:42 pm CathyJo63 said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
she did not fight for custody,it was thrown at her?
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you’re right and it was thrown at her by Marie.
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bingo,I rest my case? jmo
me- I looked at his other charges and it goes back quite a way and I didn’t see anything about sexual charges so this may be the first time he was caught! He would not have been on the radar of RSO that LE checked on.
I think one time and its life without parole!
Alex,
Yep, I checked his criminal history last night, and also checked the FDLE website to see if he was a registered SO and he’s not. Yep, he would not have been on their radar at the time. He frightens me as crackheads do crazy things.
And with Welaka being such a small place, you have to wonder if he’d ever seen Haleigh. I hope PCSO was bright enough to try and question him about her.
Is Welatka where Ron’s gradma lives?
And of some interest, it was Chuck’s bail bonds that helped him out with previous charges/bonds.
Yep, that’s where he was busted for driving with crack, and under the influence of crack….if I read the charge right?
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 2:53 pm CathyJo63 – I wasn’t making light of addiction and seeking help. I was just making light of my love for Dr. Pepper. Which according to some will adorn the new “sin tax” name as the likes of ciggs and suntanning. I never thought of my love for Dr. Pepper as a sin, but too much of anything is bad.
If any of you haven’t watched the movie “The Book of Eli”…you should. Pay attention closely. It has great messages throughout.
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Glad to hear that! I apologize!
It was hard to tell becaise of the discussion we had at the time!
CathyJo63 said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
WhyLie said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:44 pm If Misty was not involved in Haleigh’s case there is no way I will believe that PCSO would have gone after her. Take a look at what others have been charged with in the drug world in Putnam county, look at their bonds, like at how many times they get released without serving time. If PCSO had never heard of Misty Croslin she may have gone years in Putnam as a minuscule street dealer before ever getting arrested, and then you can bet her bond would be small and she would get a slap on the wrist.
If Misty had not gone along with the UC, you can bet PCSO would have concocted some other way to get Misty behind bars. That is my opinion based on watching for the last 16+ months at what has gone on in Putnam county.
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And how many times was ron caught and got off!!!!
They could have done it then and I don’t care what anybody says,Its BS when the le says the drugs have nothing to do with Haleigh! yea right! jmo
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Look at WBG’s habitual record. He makes RC look like an amateur.
Chuck Ingrams (possible son) Jacob Ingram was also arrested for drugs and violating a restraining order. He had a restraining order on him for date violence on Kristen Brooks.
Sounds like he is following in his dads footsteps. Wonder if he knows the group in jail? jmo
I looked him up on intellius.com last night and he had addresses in Welaka, Satsuma and Crescent city. He was arrested by Welaka PD for the crack on the 23rd December, so I am guessing he lived there or close by at that time.
12/23/2008 1 ARREST REPORT – WELAKA PD OFF/PIWOWARSKI (AR 12/19/08)
12/23/2008 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 08-05470
12/23/2008 1 POSSESSION OF COCAINE (CRACK)
12/23/2008 1 DRIVING WHILE UNDER INFLUENCE
12/23/2008 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 12/20/08
12/23/2008 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
12/23/2008 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
12/23/2008 2 $1004.00 UNSECURED BOND SET CT. I
12/23/2008 2 $ 504.00 SECURED BOND SET CT. II
12/23/2008 3 TRAFFIC CITATION – #6461-XCF 8 – DUI
12/23/2008 4 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
12/23/2008 5 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
12/23/2008 6 $504.00 CHUCK’S BAIL BOND POSTED – #00789064
12/23/2008 6 CONTINENTAL HERITAGE INSURANCE COMPANY
04/15/2009 7 MOTION TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT
04/28/2009 8 ORDER TO TRANSFER CASE TO COUNTY COURT
OMG Graphic isn’t the word,I went to that link MH story and om dear God!how the hello do people do these things!!!!
Lillymae said,in June 30th, 2010 at 7:37 pm CathyJo63 said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
WhyLie said,in June 30th, 2010 at 4:44 pm If Misty was not involved in Haleigh’s case there is no way I will believe that PCSO would have gone after her. Take a look at what others have been charged with in the drug world in Putnam county, look at their bonds, like at how many times they get released without serving time. If PCSO had never heard of Misty Croslin she may have gone years in Putnam as a minuscule street dealer before ever getting arrested, and then you can bet her bond would be small and she would get a slap on the wrist.
If Misty had not gone along with the UC, you can bet PCSO would have concocted some other way to get Misty behind bars. That is my opinion based on watching for the last 16+ months at what has gone on in Putnam county.
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And how many times was ron caught and got off!!!!
They could have done it then and I don’t care what anybody says,Its BS when the le says the drugs have nothing to do with Haleigh! yea right! jmo
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Look at WBG’s habitual record. He makes RC look like an amateur
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And the point is?? WBG ain’t Haleighs dad!
I am not LE but if i were They’d both be there!
Cathy, Whats really frightening is no one ever suspected anything like that from this person. I think about that alot when we are trying to figure out the Haleigh case. We may all be shocked since we dont really know what people are capable of anymore. (and with or without drugs in their systems). jmo
jaba @5:21 pm “The state of florida will give misty her day in court, don’t worry. Just get your popcorn ready.”
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I do not find this entertaining. I do not relish the thought of this trial. It’s sad. Really sad. More time and money will have been spent on putting her in jail and keeping her there for decades than ever was spent to help her from 6th grade on. It’s a disgrace. Not entertainment.
Andrea Lyons DP Attorny has stepped down from the Casey Anthony murder case.Reasons Baezs claims is finances- i think the reason is shes not going to distroy her perfect record when she knows theres no way the state is backing off this.Chaney Mason has now taken over her part as we know he came on the case a while back,an is also a DP qulified Att.Hope this isnt late news to everyone.I just read it myself…..
It seems a few of Hoberg’s relatives also have nasty criminal histories. Including breaking into a house armed with a weapon. Nasty stuff.
James Hoberg has been charged with battery of more than one woman.
tobias said,in June 30th, 2010 at 7:48 pm Cathy, Whats really frightening is no one ever suspected anything like that from this person. I think about that alot when we are trying to figure out the Haleigh case. We may all be shocked since we dont really know what people are capable of anymore. (and with or without drugs in their systems).
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exactly Tobias, ya never know and i assume it’s bad b/c of the lies! but I don’t think I’ll be shocked,its jut my opinion tho,lol
time bomb Tobias!
m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 7:50 pm jaba @5:21 pm “The state of florida will give misty her day in court, don’t worry. Just get your popcorn ready.”
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I do not find this entertaining. I do not relish the thought of this trial. It’s sad. Really sad. More time and money will have been spent on putting her in jail and keeping her there for decades than ever was spent to help her from 6th grade on. It’s a disgrace. Not entertainment.
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Amen to that! not a bit entertaining!
Its heartbreaking to me.the entire situation! jmo
It also seems one of the Hobergs was married to a Cummings at some point in time…..doesn’t mean it was this Cummings family tough. It’s from a 1991 court record.
Well,put it this way Tobias,I pray I am shocked,because that could only mean Ron ,Misty and Tn had nothing to do with any of it! jmo
ooops…typo, sorry…”though”, not “tough”
Cathy Jo
In the Kyron Horman case there were a 911 call made from his dads house. Then he moves out. It is suppose to be on NG tonight. I don’t get NG show but I go to Sierra 1947 on utube and she always uploads them. I hope they find Kyron…..
I saw alot of the videos and such last night KyMom,sad sad case!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll watch the video,Sierra always has good ones and lots of em’
Sad and believable as Floridians adjudicate misty on the merits of the case against her.
Come to think of it, that’s how all court business when a trial is warranted, plays out. Jury. Meet misty, misty meet jury, jury decide her fate with the evidence presented, based on florida statute.
I’m awaiting “opening night ” on this one just like caseys trial. Got to get more napkins though, lots of butter residue and I don’t want that on my lambskin and mink covered recliner or my remote. I may have to reduce some of these knuckleheads to reg def from hi def viewing.
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KyMoM,Are you aware of the huckaby case yet? omg evil!
ME, anniece cummings was married to David Cummings Rons uncle. I looked it up after you said he was maried to a Cummings. Seems she was married to j.HOBERG first. jmo
Also Anniece was in a picture of the family at the tents when the searches were going on. Its a picture of the family with Orlando and his wife. Its on WS. I wondered who she was and looked her name up and saw she was married to David S.Cummings at one time. He is a real piece of work too. jmo
Cathy JO
I want to hear RON”S jailhouse tapes……..
Given the dates of her arrests, I figured she was a lot older than James and was perhaps either his sister or mother, but not his wife. Is there a reason we think she was a Hoberg as opposed to born into the family?
Even if she was married to Ron’s uncle, unless they all stayed social, it seems unlikely James came across her this way. But Welaka is small, and I’m sure paedophiles notice many of the kids like Haleigh, whether they are introduced or not.
I am sorry Jaba but you really seem to take joy in others misery! It’s almost as if you want Misty to be guilty? even if someone else did it,and I hope I’m wrong! but it sure seems that way to me!
You never talk about ron or tommy just Mistys part?? and you want her hung high!
jmo but very noticeable!
and No,i am not picking at you because we can’t get along,just so ya know!
you and me KyMom,lol
tobias said,in June 30th, 2010 at 8:16 pm Also Anniece was in a picture of the family at the tents when the searches were going on. Its a picture of the family with Orlando and his wife. Its on WS. I wondered who she was and looked her name up and saw she was married to David S.Cummings at one time. He is a real piece of work too. jmo
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Oh my goodness. So there is a real chance James did come across Haleigh. This is sending shivers down my spine, particularly because we know he was a paedophile (alleged) in the area, who was using crack at the time, may have known a bit about her, and was off LE’s radar at the time.
Me, go to the civil files on the putnam county jail logs link. Thats where I found the divorce for Anniece and J.Holberg they had children. She then married David Cummings and divorced him. Thats the connection. jmo
Just another thing that may be a possibility but its worth checking out. I doubt it unless he knew where she lived and thats not likeley. jmo
CathyJo63 said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
And the point is?? WBG ain’t Haleighs dad!
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And the point is that is my opinion.
What is your point??
Well see ya when I can. Sister is flying in on thursday so I wont be here for a while. Maybe someone will talk before I come back on the 7th? Hope so.
James Michael Hoberg? I don’t have to double check what you say…good sleuthing finding it so quick! I hope he only has sons.
Thats what I was asking,Why are you comparing them? or were you?? did i misunderstand?? sorry if i did?
Thats what I was asking,Why are you comparing them? or were you?? did i misunderstand?? sorry if i did?
tobias said,in June 30th, 2010 at 8:25 pm Just another thing that may be a possibility but its worth checking out. I doubt it unless he knew where she lived and thats not likeley. jmo
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It’s hard to know if he would have known where she lived or not. Welaka is small and paedophiles are often called predators for a reason….they stalk their prey. I’d like to know the facts surrounding the child molestation charge.
Me I dont know but in the picture on WS Anniece has a daughter with her in the picture. Dont know if she is his or David Cummings. jmo
Look at WBG’s habitual record. He makes RC look like an amateur
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And the point is?? WBG ain’t Haleighs dad!
I am not LE but if i were They’d both be there!
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Wondered why you said that is all,lol honestly!
we were discussing ron??
maybe people just want to see justice… whats wrong with that? Please don’t forget a couple of things here: HaLeigh was entrusted to Misty. Misty SHOULD have been the last person that HaLeigh was with… even if she is not guilty of any crime, she is GUILTY of apparently not being responsible in the care of her. Also, let’s not forget she was bold enough to continue on after HaLeigh’s disappearance. Caught, on tape, selling drugs…
tobias,
Have fun with your siter. Hopefully Haleigh will be found safe and well before you return!
Hope I helped you find out what you wanted to know. I also hope you can find the pics on WS of Anniece and her daughter. I hope this guy isnt involved. jmo
tobias said,in June 30th, 2010 at 8:30 pm Me I dont know but in the picture on WS Anniece has a daughter with her in the picture. Dont know if she is his or David Cummings. jmo
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Very creepy. So, if she was still close with the family, there’s a chance James’ kids played with Haleigh? I don’t know if he had anything to do with it or not, but I sure hope he’s been asked some questions.
Alexandria Loring said,in June 30th, 2010 at 7:10 pm On WFTV- a father left his two children home alone with crack & razor blades lying about. Mother is a corrections officer at a juvenile detention center. The 6 year old went out of the house looking for food while the sick 4 month old baby remained in the home. Both parents were arrested!
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maybe theres an openning now for lyndsy..
tobias said,in June 30th, 2010 at 8:35 pm Hope I helped you find out what you wanted to know. I also hope you can find the pics on WS of Anniece and her daughter. I hope this guy isnt involved. jmo
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Yes, you did, thank you! I’ll try to find those pics. I hope he isn’t involved too.
OJ- And I thought you were only interested in helping Misty!
Exactly ILoves,and I have never forgotten Misty had her last,believe me…and ron left her with her too………….so why is he defending her when he should have demanded the truth? and who was in the uc car with her? I was merely saying Jaba never says they are guilty,only Misty,she goes on about it constantly!
Justice will be getting the one who took Haleigh away? the right one!
We are not talking about justice for Haleigh b/c they haven’t been charged with that yet?
But Justice for the drugs is different,I don’t agree with it either but theres tons of those around all of us,I want who took Haleigh,then I’ll call it justice!
The girl in the picture looks to be around 10 or 11 You really should find the pics on WS in the pics section, wished I had time to go find them again but I have to go to bed early morn work. jmo bb soon 7th.
hahahahaha!
tobias said,in June 30th, 2010 at 8:41 pm The girl in the picture looks to be around 10 or 11 You really should find the pics on WS in the pics section, wished I had time to go find them again but I have to go to bed early morn work. jmo bb soon 7th.
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I’ll try to find them. Did you notice when she divorced Hoberg?
hahahaha? huh?
Truthfully ME, If I had time I would go through all the pics and the videos of the vigils just to see if there are people I can now recognize from the mug shots. Its could be the person who did this is in one of the pics.
Its a theory worth looking at since there is quiet time on the case. Thats how I know about Anniece. jmo
no, not meant to you, CJ..OJ’S comment about Lindsy…
I looked to see what I said,I thought hey now,I didn’t mean it funny,lol but thats why I asked! lol
OJ came alive didn’t he,Misty could bring him out of a coma,lol
CJ, In many of my posts I have mentioned that I have NEVER figured out why Ronald defended Misty and then married her… and his own mom was as smitten with her as well..
it could be JUST TOTALLY GREAT acting on their part.. and then poor Misty goes and gets a tattoo of his name on her back…. omg
tobias said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Me, go to the civil files on the putnam county jail logs link. Thats where I found the divorce for Anniece and J.Holberg they had children. She then married David Cummings and divorced him. Thats the connection. jmo
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Tobias, Annice was married to
541996DR007272FDXXXX 1996-03-05 DOM
Plaintiffs CUMMINGS ANNIECE M
Defendants CUMMINGS JOHN T
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php
after Hoberg
This is just my opion of course… but why is it alright to post photos of CHILDREN that may or may not be related to SO on the web for the world to see? I think it’s wrong and if it were my child I would be suing someone! To me that crosses the line!
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ha.. good coma one..lolol
Its a whole screwed up mess ILoves!!!!!
I do agree Adams,They are children for God’s sake,one day if they do learn to trust again and then they find their info online and the whole world knows and also knows as much about it it’s being violated all over again! Thats just plain inhumane imo!
me said,in June 30th, 2010 at 7:31 pm And with Welaka being such a small place, you have to wonder if he’d ever seen Haleigh. I hope PCSO was bright enough to try and question him about her.
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tobias said,in June 30th, 2010 at 8:45 pm Truthfully ME, If I had time I would go through all the pics and the videos of the vigils just to see if there are people I can now recognize from the mug shots. Its could be the person who did this is in one of the pics.
Its a theory worth looking at since there is quiet time on the case. Thats how I know about Anniece. jmo
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Thanks so much. I’m at WS now, but haven’t found the thread yet…I’m going to keep looking into it.
I misread Adams,Thought you were saying the victims but my opinion still stands,lol sorry
I want criminals convicted if there is a case proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If you disagree, that’s fine, if you agree , that’s fine.
m2c said,in June 30th, 2010 at 7:50 pm jaba @5:21 pm “The state of florida will give misty her day in court, don’t worry. Just get your popcorn ready.”
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I do not find this entertaining. I do not relish the thought of this trial. It’s sad. Really sad. More time and money will have been spent on putting her in jail and keeping her there for decades than ever was spent to help her from 6th grade on. It’s a disgrace. Not entertainment.
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CathyJo, no worries!!
Beautiful*Adams (cent) said,in June 30th, 2010 at 8:52 pm This is just my opion of course… but why is it alright to post photos of CHILDREN that may or may not be related to SO on the web for the world to see? I think it’s wrong and if it were my child I would be suing someone! To me that crosses the line!
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I haven’t seen the pics yet, but I’m guessing the mother had the child on camera in front of the press and they took the pics/video? I think there were lots of kids in the vigil pics and video too. As for why they are posted at WS, no idea, I don’t like that place and rarely go there.
Me, I thought that was most likely the case, but what concerns me is the possibility of the SO relation!
jaba said,in June 30th, 2010 at 9:10 pm I want criminals convicted if there is a case proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If you disagree, that’s fine, if you agree , that’s fine
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True,but I’d rather see a child get justice than a “pillhead” to go to jail for drugs!
jmo tho
Sure she can go to jail,and has and is and will be no doubt but you still don’t want to know what happened to Haleigh? jmo
Cent,
I see your point. He was only charged on June 29th….if the child is his daughter, I agree, the pics ought to come down. I never really understood why the adults ever put the kids on camera to begin with. I don’t think kids needed to be in the midst of it all, imo, and wouldn’t have brought kids to the vigils either. But that’s just me perhaps.
Me- a lot of people put there children on facebook and myspace with a lot of info about them ! Some yound kids even have their own page!
I think Ron is trying to get some inside info on who took Haleigh that night, as information can by known by the inmates.
I also think Misty wanted to party that night and distribute drugs to her friends/buyers. Ron told her no and to stay home, watch the kids. Tommy knew she had a supply of pills, that’s why he chose to hang out there that day. Why else would he waste his time there when he was jonzin so bad for his fix.
I think word got out that Misty couldn’t bring the supply out that night, so naynay opened her mouth and told some people where to go to get the pills. I think Tommy and Joe might of flapped their mouth to some of the creepy people in the woods selling meth and agreed to a trade.
I think that after Misty passed out, Tommy let some of them in and things went sour. They unplugged the VCR to take it out the back door. Then they decided to take Haleigh too and then threatened Tommy and to kill his family if he told. I think Misty might of witnessed something (them leaning over Haleigh) or heard part of it and Jr may of saw the guys too. But Misty was so drugged, she doesn’t know if it was a dream or not.
After these people left with Haleigh, Tommy panicked. It was his idea to set the back door up to look like an abduction took place. He set it up just like he does in burglaries (prop the door with a brick). No way would he take the blame for this! He couldn’t blame it on the druggies, because he would go down for it and they would hurt his family, etc. So he wanted to blame it on an abductor.
Misty wakes up, Haleigh is gone. It’s no dream. It’s for real. She panicks. She calls Tommy’s house to see where he is and if he knows where Haleigh is. But Lyndsy answers and says he’s not home. She calls Timmy’s house to see if Tommy and Joe are there. They aren’t.
Misty is totally confused. She is wondering if Tommy and/or Joe have Haleigh. But why would the back door be propped? So, she thinks someone must of abducted Haleigh. But wait, maybe it was Tommy and/or Joe, they were pretty f’d up tonight. Oh gosh, she just doesn’t know! She searches every where for Haleigh. Pretty soon, she looks at the clock and it is 3:00am. Ron will be home soon.
Ron is going to know that she was partying all night and was crashed out and did nothing. So, like Tommy, she covers her tracks. She cleans up the best she can. She throws some laundry in the washer and some in the dryer to make it look like she had done what she was supposed to be doing that night.
But by now, Lyndsy has called Chelsea, Chelsea has called x y and z……and other people know that Haleigh is missing. She hears Ron pull up. She goes to the front door. She tells him that Haleigh is gone! She tells him she just woke up and the back door was open with a brick!
Ron gets panicked. He says ‘did you call 911?’ Misty says, ‘no’. He gets pissed and tells her to call, that he going to get his gun loaded and kill the MF that took his child. He is now in shock and disbelief and very angry! Misty attempts to call 911 and tell them that she just woke up and door was open with a brick.
She is still in shock and worried that Ron is growing more angry! He yells at her, ‘how could you let my child get stole bitch’! She responds, ‘I was asleep’! Neither of them know what to do. Ron wants the cops out there ASAP. He is pacing and yelling that he will kill someone. He probably grabs Misty in anger and she says, ‘ow, your hurting me’! He wants to know right now what happened.
Misty is trying to answer questions for the dispatcher, but due to nervousness and the fact that she was partying earlier, she can’t recall what Haleigh was wearing or what time she put them to bed or anything. She doesn’t even recall where Haleigh was sleeping.
1. Tommy is covering for himself letting the druggies into the MH.
2. Misty is covering for herself for selling the drugs out of the MH.
3. Misty fails her LDT on certain parts…do you know who has Haleigh? No…..Well, she kinda does know. She knows it was those guys that were there to buy drugs. But she doesn’t know who they are. or She thinks Tommy and/or Joe could be responsible too. So 50/50 lie.
4. Misty is protecting Ron from getting in trouble for running/distribution of drugs out of his MH. or Maybe she is protecting him from these drug dealers who will kill him if she tells anything. Besides, Misty is not going to squeal on herself either for dealing the drugs out of the MH.
5. So Misty fails on the LDT regarding the question of whether or not Ron had anything to do with this. Its another 50/50 lie. She knows that if Ron and her had not been dealing the drugs out of the MH, this might not of happened. So, she knows they are both sort of responsible, but didn’t directly do anything to Haleigh.
6. So, Ron protects Misty, Misty protects Ron. Tommy wants Misty to tell about the drugs and Ron. Misty says it won’t bring Haleigh back. Tommy doesn’t want to be the one to rat out the dealers. He will blame any one to keep from telling the truth.
7. Now the game is over! They have all been busted for drugs and dealing/distribution, trafficking of drugs! LE figures that can’t be their reason any more for lying about it. Only LE is guilty of entrapment and are terribly enept at their job.
8. They all sit in jail, awaiting trial and sentencing. Now, they don’t want to tell, because they are stuck there and will be known as jailhouse snitches! They will surely be harmed or killed. So, this is where we are today. NO Haleigh!
9. Ron is still trying to get the inside scoop to find his child and who stole her from him. He hates Misty at this point for all the confusion and lies. She was claiming her undying love for him, thus no way could she say she betrayed him by letting unknowns come to the MH and endanger his child. He would surely hate her, kill her, etc. So, she just sticks to her ‘I was asleep story’, which is true, but not the whole truth!!!
10. One thing I have found from dealing with Liars in my life, is that when they are guilty of something, they will tell you part of it and this relieves their guilty concience. Then you find out the real truth later.
Let’s just hope someone steps up to the plate and tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help them God.
That is my opinion of what happened that night.
Its a good theory but theres no way imo?? that Ron went to jail to get her there! jmo tho,lol
9. Ron is still trying to get the inside scoop to find his child and who stole her from him. He hates Misty at this point for all the confusion and lies.
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and he said he was only disappointed in Misty,jmo
She is still in shock and worried that Ron is growing more angry! He yells at her, ‘how could you let my child get stole bitch’! She responds, ‘I was asleep’! Neither of them know what to do. Ron wants the cops out there ASAP. He is pacing and yelling that he will kill someone. He probably grabs Misty in anger and she says, ‘ow, your hurting me’! He wants to know right now what happened.
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Thats a good point but he later said he did not say that to Misty….jmo
I don’t think Ron went to jail to get Misty there.
Also, I heard him say that myself on the 911 tape.
LoL Right,we all did Jen!
Even the Cobra transcripts he denies he ever said that! i dunno why??
Could someone please tell the difference in crank, coke,crack,ice, meth ?
Could someone please tell the difference in crank, coke,crack,ice, meth ?
CathyJo- I think Ron wants to take it back and thinks if he denies it enough times someone will believe he didn’t say it. Or maybe he’a trying to convince himself!
I want justice for Haleigh.
I want pill sellers who’s environment lost this child to be adjudicated fairly in open court.
I think the 3F gang is going to be where le can question them if they find new leads and need their help.
I will also enjoy a trial like the majority of readers here will. Lots of juice to comb over…and I don’t mean the comb over type that gives mr hand puppet the false hope he looks like brad pitt. 🙂
I’ll help armour all the tire of the limo if she walks free…really. 🙂
Cricket…don’t know about crank…but my understanding of the others is that crack is made from coke, is cheaper and more powerful and dangerous. Ice comes from meth….also cheaper and nastier.
Right Alex,My opinion of it too!
Cricket said,in June 30th, 2010 at 10:07 pm Could someone please tell the difference in crank, coke,crack,ice, meth ?
Crank is how you start your truck,
coke is pop,
crack is what your drawers cover,
ice goes in the coke
meth,you lost me?? lol j/k could not resist that one!
I have no idea Cricket!!
jaba said,in June 30th, 2010 at 10:11 pm I want justice for Haleigh.
I want pill sellers who’s environment lost this child to be adjudicated fairly in open court.
I think the 3F gang is going to be where le can question them if they find new leads and need their help.
I will also enjoy a trial like the majority of readers here will. Lots of juice to comb over…and I don’t mean the comb over type that gives mr hand puppet the false hope he looks like brad pitt.
I’ll help armour all the tire of the limo if she walks free…really.
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Thats what I thought!
CJ,
LOL, LOL, LOL! Post of the day!
CathyJo- meth is – Ron meth Nisty at Amber’s!
Cricket said,
in June 30th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Could someone please tell the difference in crank, coke,crack,ice, meth ?
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meth is crank and ice is a purer form of meth/crank.
crack is a cooked cheaper version of coke and is usually smoked in a crack pipe.
CJ: Your witt and sarcasm still is considered my evening entertainment! LOL
LoL Thank You Lucy,sorry was off nosing in stuff,lol
Being nosey as usual,lol That Huckaby story is one heck of a mind blower,no words could describe it!
LoL Me,
I swear though it’s funny how that stuffs everywhere but I wouldn’t know the first thing about none of it,Thank God for that! jmo
but I know it tears up lives,homes,families,whatever it can destroy,sorta like sindy and casey imo….jmo
are you guys having trouble posting??
Cricket I found this with a search, dunno if it will help you but it was interesting,imo.lol
I guess it explains what its like, to us who don’t know anything about it?
Differences in coke and meth!
coke is like trying to watch a program on an airport tv.
…put in a quarter every five minutes or the show stops.
and you jones for more,
…. or for speed to kill the coke feelings in my case.
meth is like having your own tv
….but the power will go out if you do it all the time
because you have to work and pay other bills and you don’t
if you watch this show.
meth is direct and puts you in a forward GO!
for a longer time…sometimes several hours if you snort it or eat it.
smoking is different (for me)
coke has a “euphoia” about 7 minutes and you gotta do more
that means, you sit by the mirror or the crack pipe all night and thats all you do.
meth users construct elaberate but usless mechanical inventions..
coke users talk and drink so when the come down happens your drunk.
as a whole…speed freaks are seemingly happier than coke heads….
there is a DEFINATE false sense of well being that, for me coke never had.
speed freaks may want more, but it passes into an “up” phase again …if you got a joint or just wait for it.
they’ll start doing something else and not worry longer.
coke heads are washed over with panic before they finish their last line or hit, because they KNOW whats coming.
the jones.
and the fun stops there.
Like anyone here won’t be watching the trial gavel to gavel for all its worth. 🙂
We can all see misty and if we feel like adopting her becasue she’s been railroaded, I’ll be singing the praises of whoever steps up to help misty put her life back together. Will it be one of us? I hear a limo has been secured as well as a boquet of roses and a better life. Let’s see if anyone really steps up or not. Walk the walk if you are going to talk the talk.
All imo, of course.
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Reason is it was starting an argument when someone else stated their opinion which they have the right to do whether we agree or not.
My advice to those that do not see eye to eye and can’t get past it, would be to just ignore them, please. When arguments starts if disrupts everyone else and we have got to stop that from happening in here from now on.
Thanks,
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
If you have to gripe that 3 druggies are in jail out of millions in the world who should be but aren’t rather than want Haleigh to get her justice,then I really wonder! jmo
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Me too OJ,Because I said I’d take Misty in!
Comment edited – You are allowed to express your opinions but not if it is going to be directed to another poster in here so I have taken part of the comment out.
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
I’d take her in too….but I’m way too far away and with her drug conviction (if she gets one) they wouldn’t let her in here.
If the right adult had intervened somewhere along the way and ensured she received proper guidance, she wouldn’t be where she is now. Very sad. Since when do people in the community say it’s a kid’s own fault for not going to school beyond the 6th grade….sheesh. How long have laws been in place requiring adults to ensure their young children attend school? You can’t just let 11 year olds drop out. And when they do, we should not be so harsh on them when they hit 17 and mess up….if I’d had her background, I’d probably have been a complete mess at her age too.
Praise God Me!
Exactly right!
My childhood was messed up as hello but I overcame it,and Misty could too if someone gave a damn!,Should I be in jail? just b/c Misty’s family and controlling b/f’s all let her down!
Who said it’s the childs fault for not going to school?
Comment has been deleted. Come on guys please let it go. I can’t sit here 24/7 to make sure arguments don’t start in here. Help me out please. If it doesn’t stop we are going to close all Haleigh threads down for comments. I know we can’t all agree on things but we do ALL have the ability to ignore something that is said if we don’t like it.
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
I can’t remember who said to watch Eli. But I’m gonna watch now.
CathyJo, I guess shes not doing it so suttle any more.
a person can only take so much!
That is exactly what I am saying here. I can only take so much of all the continuous fighting.
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
Nobody here is taking her in. I’d bet the house on that.
No, I’d ont have a tragic tale to tell everyone about crime affecting me nor am I a former addict of pills or coke or anything like that. I experiemented but I was strong enough to say, ‘that was fun but I don’t want anyon else affected like my family. Perhaps the ones here who have need to reconcile that with their family, I don’t. Not going to apologize for that.
If you feel for someone because you know their ‘road’ good for you, you can offer guidance others don’t have becasue they didn’t fall in any drug addiction. Glory to you.
Still, who is going to step up and help misty for real, not lip service. Who? Who? Who? The owl of accountability is calling.
jaba,
Why not you? You’re a local, aren’t you?
who’s the owl of accountability ?
hoot..nite ladies
secours said,in June 28th, 2010 at 5:10 pm I thought Steve Brown said We would not be surprised who did it?
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I think he said we *would* be surprised.
jaba said,in July 1st, 2010 at 1:22 am Nobody here is taking her in. I’d bet the house on that.
No, I’d ont have a tragic tale to tell everyone about crime affecting me nor am I a former addict of pills or coke or anything like that. I experiemented but I was strong enough to say, ‘that was fun but I don’t want anyon else affected like my family. Perhaps the ones here who have need to reconcile that with their family, I don’t. Not going to apologize for that.
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You don’t have to be strong enough to say no if you’ve never been addicted,you may have used but take my word for it,you didn’t have a problem as you say? you just experimented! If we all had done that then we wouldn’t have had to be strong to give it up either!
Forgive me if this has been said already (I’m catching up slowly), but why does PCSO think it’s time for Tommy to be brought back to Putnam? Why do they think Tommy no longer needs to be separated from other co-defendants?
Strength is when an addict overcomes it,thats strong!
you got me Thug? not a clue,lol sorry!
My Goodness,I just noticed the time,Gotta be up at 8 tomorrow,Going to the dr. with my daughter!
Gnite everybody!
Me,
No, I live in texas and I help provide or my family and extend that to really good friends for anything I could ever to for them.
Then, I contribute to worthy causes and people I can see with my own two eyes to make sure help gets to where help was supposed to get, if you know what I mean.
I take care of me and mines and a few others. I don’t talk the talk and not back it up.
If u can’t do the time then for heavens sake don’t do the crime because those folks in florida will hammer your ass but good. Especially on drug trafficking. They aint playin around in PC.
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I don’t know why I would be banned…- have attacked no one here.
should I be banned for having a strong opinion on crimes that lead to death or missing children? Tell me the site hosts don’t support that. I doubt they do at all.
Good nite OJ.
I read a article yesterday they said since he’s already plead in case they decided to move him back.
CathyJo63 said,in July 1st, 2010 at 2:08 am you got me Thug? not a clue,lol sorry!
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Lol, I’ll try to be strong, CJ. 😀
Good night CathyJo.
Shockwave said,in June 30th, 2010 at 12:09 pm How would you react if you heard on the news that Haleigh was being hidden by her maternal family somewhere, and you saw her alive on television? Would you rejoice? Wold you be in disbelief? Would you be mad at the person’s responsible? Would you understand a family’s love for a child, living the drug life, who just wanted to protect her?
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I was thinking of this just a while ago and I think I would weep with joy.
Ok, so some kind hearted soul will be there for misty when she gets out post trial or 25 years from now…how much do you wanna bet?
No need to hang misty, just adjudicate her fairly at trial. She will get a sentence set by floridians who set the tone for their state, not us out of state bloggers.
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Same ip as always. Have it checked. One source here, I don’t need to hide behind any other nic to say what I feel like sayin’. Paranoia must be a b” to worry about on an anonymous blog.
Cricket said,in July 1st, 2010 at 2:15 am I read a article yesterday they said since he’s already plead in case they decided to move him back.
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I see. Thanks, Cricket.
imo, most posters are looking forward to Misty’s trial to see if anything about Haleigh’s disappearance comes out! I am not opposed to strong drug laws as long as they are dispensed equally. Once Joshua Imm was arrested there was no doubt in my mind that there is an inequity in the way justice is dispenced in Putnam County.
If it turns out that Misty, Ron and/or Tommy had anything to do wuth Haleigh’s disappearance then they should be tried separately from the drug charges on that charge,
If any of them were not involved but covered up for someone or lied to LE regarding Haleigh’s disappearance to protect another person or their own involvement in another crime not related to Haleigh, they should be charged with obstruction of justice.
I hope Ron, Misty & Tommy had nothing to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. However, all the lies have hampered the investigation. It bothers me that Ron would say he wants the focus to remain on finding Haleigh, yet with his actions he has taken the focus off of her and created a circus like atmosphere, his marriage, his divorce and his drug dealing.
Morning, Alex! I agree with everything but your last comment. There was a circus atmosphere from the very beginning because of a lost child and the lifestyle of these people.
R didn’t cause it by marrying M. The public was as or more interested in the scintillating details of her living with him than they were with a missing child. That’s why he made the comment like – “look for Haleigh instead of gossiping about us/me” – that’s the way I took that comment and it’s what I’d expect any parent to say.
Cricket coke is slow heated in a vile .jar or tube with water,an baking soda.when it forms into the ball/rock type shape its taken out to dry,an harden same stuff just smoked on ashes on cans with hole poked in them,or a glass tube with a screen to stop the ashes an crack rock from falling through when the liters fire hits it..i have seen them make crack pipes out of all sorts of stuff.
meth,an crank is made,Many use muratic acid (crome cleaner) to cause the ingredents to crystalize.Thats what makes many have such bad skin problems.they smoke it pretty much the same way as a crack rock,along with snorting,or shooting-or using tin foil an heating it with the drug on it,an inhailing the fumes..
These type drugs cause major parinoia.Ive seen them think someone was in the house talking to them,someone was out side comming in on them.Just all kind of fool things.One young woman had her room windows covered with every thing she could get up.Taped book pages to her windows.She thought people were peeping in on her every time she smoked crack.
God ,an many helped her when she hit rock bottom.An shes clean ,working doing great today.one had a stroke before she stopped,at a young age.She to is now clean an doing ok.Both of these i helped.
As far as ice,i havent helped anyone who used it,so i havent seen how its used. or what its effects are.
These seem to be cheap highs when people first start.but before its all said an done,the amount used per day.is as to how much money a addict can get to Spend on it.It has caused many to lose every thing they had even some their life.many have strokes from using for a long time,it makes blood pressure ROCKET out of control.
Because it is something that hypes them up.after not haveing sleep,an using they do become violent more so, off these type drugs than many others. It really damages brain cells.an also the main pleasure zone in ones brain,an serintonin levels . Many who do get off of these type drugs suffer serious depression.because of the damage its done to cells brain cemicals being released controling ones mood.
In other words those who long term use then get dryed out stopping the drug.are more or less pretty much have problems,not all but many i donated time at a rehab.An learned from DR, users, an counslers.as well as working with them on my own.I have many things i could share but this is enough for now.im only writting this because a question was asked about these type drugs
Twin boys were taken out of one home,not he wemons i was speaking of .The boys were on the floor just babies only months old,When the house was raided.With every one smoking in the same room with them neglect,an endangered to the max.a now retired drug agent over the raid at the time, hes the one who busted the ring up.An he adopted the twin baby boys.there about 14 now.they are loved much,have a nice place to live great parents the retired agent ,an his wife,going to church doing fine,healthy, happey an do not remember anything of their small time with their strung out parents.Thank God there were no signs of sexual abuse.i saw them months back an they were riding their bikes not a worry in the world.some make it some dont.THESE DRUGS ARE AWFUL.an the ones making them,an bring them into the country should be the ones stopped.
Good Morning m2c- my point is that the proposal, the marriage, the honeymoon….
could have been private & the honeymoon should have been put off until Haleigh was found, So to me it was a circuslike atmosphere. It(the marriage) also gave ne the impression that Ron knew Haleigh was not coming back, because if it’s true that Haleigh wanted them to marry, why not wait until she comes home, what better honor then to have her as a flower girl at a wedding she so wanted! I don’t believe the marriage was done for Haleigh! Honeymooning out of state also another clue. Why be so far away in case Haleigh showed up? Wouldn’t you want to be close to home in case she returned? At least the Anthonys made the excuse that they thought there was a credible sighting in California of Caylee, that was not the honetmooning couple’s reason for being in New York!
Alex, IMO the wedding was to keep R’s azz out of jail for stat rape. The “honeymoon” was a trip to NY to be on a TV program about Haleigh.
If R had taken M there without being married that would have added another charge (transporting a minor over state lines for . . .whatever the legal words are).
What I’m tring to say is the whole thing was a circus before that happened. At some point I think R just went with the flow and didn’t care anymore – he was being flayed by the public and there was nothing he could do about that anyway IMO
This just happened this week. My friends daughter took her kid out of state, without the other parent’s permission. She is now charged with felony kidnapping. My friend has a lawyer now to protect herself. The lawyer told her “do NOT speak to police”. You are under no obligation to tell them anything!
She doesn’t know where her daughter and grandson are. The lawyer said that ‘even if she knows where they are, they do not have to tell the police’. The ONLY thing they have to do is ‘make sure they are not aiding and abetting’. This is what could get them in trouble. (i.e. giving the daughter money to continue to commit the crime, giving her a place to stay, etc) In other words, anything that would help her continue to commit the crime.
So, the Attorney said, that if she gets anything from the daughter or her grandson, such as an email, a letter, a phone call, she is NOT obligated to tell the cops anything. In fact, the Attorney advised them to STOP talking to the police all together.
The Attorney also said that the cops will jot notes down when they talk to you, but it is not until they get back to the station, that they write their reports. This is when the information gets distorted, because they don’t quite remember it the same. He said that if and when it it ever goes to trial, the judge will take the side of the cop. So, don’t tell them anything as they will “distort it”. He also said you can lie to them all you want, because you do not have to tell them anything.
So, I bet this has been a hard lesson for some people in the Haleigh issue to learn. Everyone can tell all the lies they want, unless they are the guilty ones of doing something with Haleigh or are helping with her missing or continuing to be missing. That would be the guilty person or the person aiding and abetting the guilty person or possibly an accessory to the crime.
Not sure R, M and T would get obstruction of justice? Their personal lives or characters are not the crime here. I agree that R said over and over, you need to focus on finding my daughter. If anything CS is the one that went on TV with Kim P and began some crap publically about R and had to be told that now is not the time. The focus needs to be on Haleigh. The public and the media has done a great job taking that focus away. Plus some are guilty of getting their 15 min. of fame and others of yaking on TV, etc.
Well, there is my 2 cents for the morning.
Hope today is much better than what I read last night! I couldn’t believe what went on in the blog. I was shocked at the name calling, etc..
Anyway, find Haleigh today.
lol, even now the focus is still on everyone’s personal business and not on finding Haleigh. I don’t think who married who had anything to do with Haleigh disappearing or denotes who is guilty and who is not. It could of been for any number of reasons. The media chose to follow them around and make a big deal of it. They didn’t plan a big elobarate wedding and all that. It should of been private and no one’s business, but the media made sure it wasn’t. Ron told them to butt out, just like he did when he got his tatoo, and when Geraldo was making an ass out himself for his interview, and other times. They should of been focusing on Haleigh. That’s probably a big part of why she hasn’t been found.
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Goodmorning all.
I would lean more to JS if Haleigh was taken by the maternal side. CS would not have gotten an ex- FBI to investigate and look for Haleigh if she knew where she was.
I agree that Cs and KP came out in the media pointing fingers towards Ron. just because Ron was not stating things in the media does not mean he was not saying things behind the scenes. That is one thing Ron has proven about himself and TN as well. We heard Ron pointing towards Crystal and Joe on the Cobra tapes, but he thought it was in private. We heard TNs phone call to TM about Misty being ready to crack to hurry and get there( paraphrasing) and TM give an account to what Ron has said, but when it came to the public They defended Misty. Ron always works behind the scenes just like he did in the drug trafficking. JMO
JenM I hope everything works out for your friend and her daughter.
JenM- Did you see the case of missing Abbi Obermiller? She is a 17 year old, I believe it’s in Ohio. She disappeared a few weeks ago. Police questioned her 20 year old boyfriend, who told them he didn’t know where she was. It turns out she was hiding in his apartment attic and now he is in jail on obstruction charges. She is also in jail for disobeting an officer’s command to come out of the attic. I don’t know what state you are in but while many times lying to LE doesn’t get prosecuted, it does sometimes get you arrested.
I hope all works out for your friend & daughter! P.S. if LE wanted to talk with me I would insist on my being allowed to tape the interview!
JenM, Ron invited ABC to do the proposal and the wedding.
The road rages and fighting, ratgate and get caught drug trafficking; it is this kind of behavior takes away from Haleigh.
JenM- you are so right about the focus being on personal business rather then Haleigh. Why do you suppose Ron had to get on with his personal busimess rather then searching for his daughter?
That is why so many are interested in his personal business. Why doesn’t HE focus on finding Haleigh?
Ron didn’t tell them to butt out of his wedding or honeymoon. He wanted them to butt out of his being with an underage Misty!
lfj@7:29- ita
Mark Klaas made a very good statement the other night on NG. This coming from a father that has experienced his precious daughter missing and then being found murdered! He said when that happens there is no periphial vision; it all becomes tunnel vision. The only thing you are focused on is finding your child. You are not out going to the Gym, getting tattoos two hours away while people are searching for your child and you are with the last person that was with her(in Rons case). He said your normal life does not exist.
I am sure this would include having a good time at the county fair and dining out at restaurants. jmo
LFJ – I agree with all that.
Alex along with Ron not wanting the media finding him with Misty 2 hours away. Ron knew this had to be damaging to his character of being a grieving father. I know people grieve in different ways, but he knew it would be a problem due to the fact he is Haleighs dad and he was the primary caregiver and he was not even in town while people were searching for his HEART! I honestly cannot see anything that KP and CS said to the media was more damaging to Rons character than what he has done to himself! The only reason Crystal has temp custody of Jr. now is because of Rons behavior. Karma is a B. CS did not get anywhere with her custody for Jr. with KP.
Did anybody see that Lindsy is talking adoption on her You tube website?
lfj – The way the public was on him about shacking up with M and the way he was being hounded by the press it was pretty natural to ask ABC to cover the wedding IMO. If they’d been married in secret everyone would be outraged about that. As far as the road rage I don’t know if CJones started it or R. We also don’t know for sure about ratgate.
Overall most of what we would call normal or appropriate behavior is totally foreign to all the characters in this case IMO.
Interested @ 8:28 – I didn’t know that. Does she want someone to adopt Tommy so she doesn’t have to take care of him anymore?
I dont think..people are blaming the sheffields for misty being in trouble or locked up..I think they are blaming the sheffield..that IF they TOOK haleigh or know who did..and they are letting misty go thru all she has been thru because of this..then they are WRONG..because of haleigh missing, Misty and her family have been put thru the ringer, their whole lives have been made a public display, every wrong thing they have ever done, or how they were raised or every word they have spoken while on visits to jail or letters, have been tooken out of context. they have been humiliated, cut down, mentally abused. Out of all the people involved, or all the people it could have been, Misty was treated the worse, and from the beginning it was mentioned that they wanted to set her up to get her in jail, so that maybe she would finally tell the truth, would she of sold drugs on her own..i dont know maybe..but she didnt have a criminal record before..LIKE everyone else did. and who knows what went on behind closed doors, who might have begged and begged her to help. She is in jail for what she did, and yes it was wrong, and she should of known better, so she will have to pay the price for that..but IF SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO HALEIGH AND THEY ARE LETTING ALOT OF THE BLAME GO ON MISTY, AND THEY ARE LETTING MISTY GO THRU ALL THIS TORMENT FOR NOTHING THAN THEY ARE COMPLETELY WRONG..NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION IS, AND IF THEY TOOK HALEIGH BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR HER,then why in the world, wouldnt they have took jr also??makes no sense, now did the kids stay the night or weekend at crystals recently? because I have heard stories of sexual abuse that rons mother noticed,maybe that is why someone would want to take haleigh, so noone would find the truth out about that, I am not sure, but I do think Misty has been treated quite bad throughout this whole ordeal
lfj- amen to that!
You know Marc Klass was still asked to come in & take a ldt & to be interrogated even though there were witnesses to Polly’s abduction (her sleepover friends). Instead of getting angry, he complied so they could get on with finding his precious daughter!
And that creep, Richard Allen Davis, after all he put the family through, showed himself to be the scum of the earth when he tried to place some of the blame on Marc Klass.
Marc Klass is and continues to be a caring parent and a role model for what should be done when a child goes missing!
Hi, ggt! I agree with you. The only question I ahve is about the stories you’ve heard about TN. That sounds like the rumormill to me.
m2c@ 8:30 roflmao!
Yes! Alex Marc Does. when he talked how he came to realize that he could use the media to get attention for Polly it changed the way missing parents saw the media exposure and how it benefited them.jmo
The last time Haleigh was with Crystal was 2 weeks before her disappearance according to her interview.
M2c that was hilarious! lyndsey wanting someone to adopt Tommy. LOL!!
M2c it was not just the media that was all over Ron about him sleeping with a teenager. Misty was 16 when he started dating her. It was an out cry from the people of this Nation. I am sure after his own statement on NG. “Yes I like dating young girls” put the heat on him! He said it and media reported it and the Nation for the most part found it appalling.jmo
lfj – Right. I’m not saying R’s behavior is wrong. I’m saying the spotlight was already on him from the beginning for bad that so to me it’s perfectly understandable to have ABC film the wedding.
Sometimes people blame R for both ways something could be done. Public wedding – Bad. Private wedding – bad. The guy can’t do anything right for some people and that is simply unrealistic and unreasonable on THEIR part (IMO).
lfj – I don’t know how you are not understanding what I’m saying. I am not condoning R’s shacking up with M. Usually the media being all over someone MEANS that the public (the nation if you want to call it that) is up in arms.
m2c-
my way- search for Haleigh
Ron’s way- get a tattoo
my way- search for Haleigh
Ron’s way- get married
my way- search for Haleigh
Ron’s way- leave town to go on honeymoon!
Yep, I see both ways and how unrealistic & unreasonable I am to Ron!
Honestly m2c, Ron’s way of trying to find Haleigh is comparable to Casey’s way of trying to find Caylee by going to Fusions!
I understand now m2c. Thank you for clarifying.
Alex, yes, ugly coping is how it was defined. jmo
Alex, I can’t lump everything R did into “finding Haleigh” when there were all these other pressures on him. I know people want to blame everything plus global warming on him but it’s not right.
Let me try again to explain what I am saying.
Yes. It’s very wrong for him to have been shacking up with M.
That fact kept the publicity and talk on HIM and those subjects.
So he’s got two choices – marry her or ditch her. I think some people would condemn him whichever he chose. Some people are condemning him for a public wedding AND would do the same if it had been private.
Do you see what I’m saying?
As far as searching for Haleigh, no parent should be out in the woods searching IMO.
He and CS both appealed to the public. That’s all they can do.
Neither CS nor R behaved the way “normal” people like Mark Klass would act but CS and R and the lives they lead are not normal like that.
And Alex, comparing R’s way of finding Haleigh to monster at Fusions is not right IMO.
He was forced into that marriage by public opinion. He didn’t do it because he really wanted to I’m sure. And they flew to NY (which you call a honeymoon) for an interview about Haleigh but of course it focused on THEM a lot which R was trying to avoid – so people would go back to focusing on finding Haleigh. And that I understand.
m2c- it is exactly comparable imo. He wasn’t forced into marriage, he was protecting his butt from possible statutory rape charges because of public opinion! It’s all about him when it should have been about Haleigh!
It is exactly NOT like partying at Fusion, Alex, because R got NO JOY from it I guarantee you. Yes he was keeping his butt out of jail – how would being in jail help anything? And he was trying to get the focus back on Haleigh. He asked people to do that himself. So it WAS about Haleigh. It was the prurient interests of the public in their weird immoral lifestyle that was keeping the attention off Haleigh. No comparison to Monster at all IMO.
m2c- we are going to have to disagree, because Ron imo, did get pleasure out of everything he was doing including his part in the drug dealing. When offered a horse or atv he went out to search but unable to do it on foot, why? it might take too much time away from other activities like getting tattooed?
You are going to have to come up with a better argument that you have to convince me he isn’t the male counterpart of Casey!
Interested said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 8:28 am
Did anybody see that Lindsy is talking adoption on her You tube website?
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Interested, many people have verified that is NOT Lindsy’s youtube site. Someone is faking it.
m2c said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 9:46 am
It is exactly NOT like partying at Fusion, Alex, because R got NO JOY from it I guarantee you. Yes he was keeping his butt out of jail – how would being in jail help anything? And he was trying to get the focus back on Haleigh. He asked people to do that himself. So it WAS about Haleigh. It was the prurient interests of the public in their weird immoral lifestyle that was keeping the attention off Haleigh. No comparison to Monster at all IMO.
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Gonna have to disagree on this. First unless you are Ron (and I don’t think he has internet access right now) you have no way of guaranteeing anything about him.
Second his going out of town and getting a tatoo, and b*tching about how he “couldn’t do whatever he wanted to do” is EXACTLY like MonsterCasey’s partying at Fusion.
Third, as they publically stated that they got married because that is what “Haleigh” wanted how sick are they to not wait for a time when Haleigh could be there. By them doing it so soon after she went missing and still no clue as to her where abouts, they were publically stating that they KNEW she would never be able to attend.
If Ron wanted the focus on Haleigh he would NOT have invited the news station to be at Chili’s to film his proposal, purposely putting the focus back on the “star” Ronbo.
LadySadie- ita
ITA LadieSadie. I also believe if there were stat. rape charges coming down the pipe it would not have taken LE 32 days to arrest him on it. I think it would of been within the first two weeks.jmo
LS – You said, “First unless you are Ron (and I don’t think he has internet access right now) you have no way of guaranteeing anything about him.”
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Well excuse the s out of me. “I guarantee you” is a figure of speech fgs. And don’t you ever imply I am ANYONE other than myself.
Did you see the expression on his face at the “wedding?” Did you notice the “timing?” Do you REALLY think R WANTED to get married = at all? Nonsense IMO.
And have you ever heard of people trying to put a good face on something – like giving an excuse like “Haleigh would have wanted it?” instead of admitting it was to keep him out of jail? Of course it’s a stupid excuse – because of what people like you would read into it – but the reality was worse.
The only one who was happy about the wedding was M because she was too stupid to realize WHY he was marrying her.
And, you said: “Second his going out of town and getting a tatoo, and b*tching about how he “couldn’t do whatever he wanted to do” is EXACTLY like MonsterCasey’s partying at Fusion.”
Ridiculous. R couldn’t get out of the media glare. Who on earth would enjoy that everyday? And he was being attacked daily on blogs and in the media. Come on. Get real about this. Monster got rid of her kid for her freedom. I don’t believe R did that. I don’t think anyone has even accused him of that. There is no comparison at all.
And as far as the positive publicity, like filming the proposal, a drop in the ocean compared to all the negative he’d had.
It’s just so easy to make every single thing about that guy be bad, suspicious, guilty or condemning and it’s just not realistic as much as you’d like it to be. And I mean that whether R had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance or not.
Condemning everything about him only makes the R-haters feel good. It does NOTHING to help find Haleigh IMO
m2c- How did he get out of the media glare to get the tattoo?
m2c, we have to agree to disagree on that one. Ron’s own actions condemns everything about him, has nothing to do with whether someone “likes” him or not. Ron did NOTHING to help find Haleigh, and did everything he could think of to make sure the attention was taken away from the search for Haleigh, IMO.
I cannot answer how he got out of town exactly to get two hours away. I know TN gave an interview and told the media when they asked how Ron was doing. She answered not good. He has been off with the Pastor all day when in fact he was spotted or tipped off to the media he was in another town getting a tattoo. He was never with the Pastor and it caused the Pastor not to come out and support him publicly any longer. Honestly for all we know He and Misty could of left the night before after all had calmed down. iirc at this point there was no bad press out in the media about Ron. It all started right after that media clip and it was followed up with the abuse allegations etc…
Good Morning Everyone :). Maybe I can change the subject by asking for help understanding what was happening at 116 Tyler at 2 am or so. Was Officer 1256 there before Misty and Ron’s 911 call because of an unrelated disturbance or because HaLeigh was missing? And how do we know?
That is still a mystery Cate(aka Kate)
Hi Cate- I sure wish I could answer that question because I’d like to know. Out here in CA in the town I live in there are 911 calls & non emergency calls. Both appear on logs that the public can view at the Police Station. So if you called the police to say a cat is on your rooftop, hopefully you called it into the non emergency #, it would appear on the log along with 911 calls. I don’t know if they do that in Florida.
I believe Ron got his tattoo of Haleigh at the Aces and Eights in Pinellas Park, Fl. We keep saying 2 hours when in fact after map questing it, it is 3 hours and 24minutes from his home 188.51 miles.
If it is the Aces Tattoo in Sarasota Fl( pinellas county) It is 3 hours and 47 minutes from his home 221.93 miles.
lfj- the picture of the shop window said Aces & Eights!
morning ladies..
I’m ready to drive to florida and solve the case myself.
AS sloppy as LE’s investigation has been I wonder if they checked for abandoned wells in the area? The trailor park must be on a septic system. Abandoned septic tanks can collapse.. the water table must be very shallow, a well could have been due 75 years ago and forgotten covered with brush..
OJ- Do you have to pass through Northern California? If so pick me up, there is just so many things I want to see with my own eyes.
lfJ and Alex, Interesting. To some, I don’t recall whom, on this forum, it is not a mystery. They are sure that the Officer was at Tommy’s responding to a non-emergency situation (dog barking?).
OJ and Alex, I’m in! You can come through St. Louis and pick me up. Let’s start on August 23. If the case is not resolved by the time Misty goes to trial we can protest and sleuth at the same time.
I’m in LA alex..you’ll have to meet me here and we’ll head east on the 40..we can pick up cathy on the way…I have to mapquest st.louis cate, and see where we coverge.
OJ, Well, if you are coming from LA, just take route 66. Is CathyJo in KY? I’ll get you there from here, my husband grew up in KY.
Ok OJ! I’m in Galt! Midway between Sacramento & Stockton! Don’t leave without me!
shes in tennessee, only a couple hundred miles from you cate..heck ron drives that for a tattoo..
40 comes right through St. Louis, about 2 miles north of my house.
lol, OJ. We’ll all get tatoos!!!
Cate- mine will have to be the non permanent type!
Alex, Henna tats are good, maybe Aces & Eights can refresh ours while we’re down there if needed.
Anybody checked whether PCSO & other county offices are shut down for Independence Day on Monday, July 5?
LadySadie: Definitely agree to disagree.
Cate- too funny! I wonder if PCSO would arrest us for interfering with an investigation! OJ, will just have to stand up and say “What investigation?” Misty is Innocent! and that should get us off!
I would first search the area around 202 green street..walk the distance from there to tomme’s house, see how close the neighbors live, see if a vehicle could stealthly approach 202 and leave the same way at 2 or so in the morning, look for abandoned wells in the brush and do a proper investigation for once.
Cate (aka Kate) said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Anybody checked whether PCSO & other county offices are shut down for Independence Day on Monday, July 5?
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I was going to say no but apparently it’s a federal holiday so the courts and stuff should be closed.
I’ll meet you all at the courthouse on the 23rd (just have to figure out which one first), and if Misty gets off the first round at the beach bar is on me. If she doesn’t get off just to console OJ, I may still buy the first round.
OJ- from google earth it appears there is a road and railroad tracks in the area and it leads to the water. It looks like there is some type of structure that goes over the water. Can’t tell what it is, possibly railroad tracks!
Good thinking about the wells!
LadySadie- Sounds good to me!
Do you know if they have septic tanks at the MH park?
Jaycee Dugard was just approved a $20 miliion award from the State of California!
Alexandria Loring said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 9:11 am
m2c-
my way- search for Haleigh
Ron’s way- get a tattoo
my way- search for Haleigh
Ron’s way- get married
my way- search for Haleigh
Ron’s way- leave town to go on honeymoon!
Yep, I see both ways and how unrealistic & unreasonable I am to Ron!
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What exactly did Crystal do to look for Haleigh besides leaving 2 days after she went missing and went home for a few days or selling raffle tickets for a pickup or running around with purple jugs to collect money at a parade and the races and the crab festival or setting up HBC or her and Marie getting their nails done(with raffle ticket money?
Connie Sheffield did say Ron did search for her.
That sounds great, LadySadie! Nice consideration of OJ’s feelings.
My first order of business (after Misty’s trial and the beach bar, of course), will be to check in with Anna Potter, Tommy and Lindsy’s neighbors. She’s the one who complained about their barking dog and should be able to say whether they were a nuisance at 2 am Feb 10.
Vaquera- I’m not defending Crystal, she should have been out there too but pointing out Crystal’s behavior doesn’t mean that Ron’s behavior is acceptable! Ron was the custodial parent, he was the one responsible for her safety!
Alexandria Loring said,in July 1st, 2010 at 12:17 pm Jaycee Dugard was just approved a $20 miliion award from the State of California!
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good for the family..the parole officers that failed her should be in jail but they weren’t even fired! Disgraceful! Government protecting itself with taxpayer money..is no one accountable in government? apparently not.
quote below from the LA times..
“Dugard, her mother and daughters filed a claim saying state corrections officials failed to do their jobs. They claimed psychological, physical and emotional damages.”
OJ- That’s absolutely true, but she was also failed by LE in Antioch!It’s scary to think that all these officers were within feet of her but didn’t bother to look.
Also, since your from LA, no offence intended if you like Gloria Allred but I think she’s really flipped her wig trying to force Jaycee & her daughters to visit with Jaycee’s Bio dad! Jaycee said “No”, so why is she bringing a lawsuit? Maybe some day Jaycee will want to meet him but that should be up to her and on her terms!
Bbbl- mom’s doctor appt!
misty’s trial will be weeks long in my opinion..
jury selection will be a few days, openning statements a couple days, prosecution witnesses several days, defense witnesses several days, motions, sidebars, underhanded dishonest tactics by the prosecution will all take time..
How about the state of Nevada after kidnapping and raping the woman from Lake Tahoe? His sentence was life, it should have included “without parole!”
Alex @ 12:22 – If having custody of a kidnapped child made the person responsible for the crime then I guess Mark Klass should be in jail along with a lot of other parents.
It’s a NON-issue! We do not know what happened to Haleigh. We do not know if it was M’s fault or if she knows what happened. If R was not involved and somehow M was, then he can be blamed for choosing a bad caregiver for his children and that is all.
It’s just another in the long list of “no matter what it is, blame it on R.”
Again, how does that help Haleigh?
Cate, a guy in Florida hired two hit men to kill his wife, they succeeded, he was sentenced to only 30 years I believe and he was just released after serving only 16 years. The parents of the woman are just beside themselves and I can’t blame them. It’s a travesty!
It won’t take long.
Pop in the video tape of sales and her jail tape of her and her dad admitting wrongdoing and she has a short battle I don’t think she can win.
Its going to be interesting to say the least.
M2c you are right we do not know exactly what happened to Haleigh. Perhaps OJ is right about investigating ourselves. Probably could get into triuble for inteferring in an on- going investigation if too many toes got stepped on. This is probably one of the first times I truely agree with OJ, except that she was out cheating on Ron. He threw her out and he called and wanted her back.
I am personally not a Ron -hater or Crystal -hater. I just feel that a persons behavior has a lot to do with a case. Crystals behavior really cannot compare to Rons. I have issues with her life – style and hope to God for her childrens sake that she can overcome. JMO
OOPs trouble. I meant I agreed with OJ that Misty was not out cheating on Ron.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 1st, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Jaycee Dugard was just approved a $20 miliion award from the State of California!
Where can she spend her vouchers? I have read that CA is broke.
looking for Justice said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 7:29 am
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I agree with that!
Tommy Croslin Atty. filed leagal papers ,He’s being mistreated.
http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/070110_croslin.pdf
m2c, That’s terrible about the guy in Florida who killed his wife. It doesn’t make sense at all, 100 years for drug trafficking and only 30 (16 with “good behavior”) for murder, cold-blooded, pre-meditated. I don’t support the death penalty but I sure do support life without parole.
Hey you guys!!!
Did ya see what Tommy has done?
http://www.wesh.com/ news/24110371/ detail.html
This is from WESH!!
The motion stated he was recently moved from the St. Johns County Jail to the Putnam County Jail, where Croslin was placed in the general population section in a cell with bad plumbing and ventilation.
The motion also claimed detectives from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office have visited Croslin to harass and threaten him. The alleged threats included telling Croslin that detectives would give other prisoners false information about him that could lead to “physical harm.”
Read Motion
The motion also stated detectives said Croslin would be charged with the slaying of Haleigh if he doesn’t talk. The motion also stated a Sheriff’s Office captain berated Croslin and accused him of murder in front of other people.
Croslin’s attorney said his client’s civil rights were violated and stated he wants to move his client back to jail in St. Johns County.
A judge will hear the motion on July 16.
So this is why Hardy FELT that it was time to move Tommy to Putnam County?
Yep, OJ, Putnam County = HE77. Unless you are Ronbo???
I can’t believe that Tommy has to stay there until July 16. No matter what you feel or think about Tommy, this is supposed to be the USA.
Jacksonville.com
An attorney for Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr. has asked a judge to prohibit any investigators from interviewing him without notifying his attorney.
In court documents filed today, attorney James Werter said that Croslin, who was transferred to the Putnam County jail last week, was interrogated for two hours by Putnam County investigators and denied an attorney.
He was told “that he did not need an attorney and that the attorney of record and his private investigator were ‘rat-ing’ him out,” according to the motion.
Cate, you’re right! I have no love for Tommy but violating his rights or anyone else’s is complete bull! It seems LE has decided to screw this case up on purpose!
Croslin Files Motion Alleging Harassment
http://www.wesh.com/news/24110371/detail.html
Read Motion http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0701/24110635.pdf
Tommy Croslin was denied a lawyer in jail interrogation, lawyer says
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-07-01/story/tommy-croslin-was-denied-lawyer-jail-interrogation-lawyer-says
Attorney: Tommy Croslin Being Mistreated in Putnam Jail
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=158126&catid=3
Reminds me of when Misty told to her dad (in one of the jailhouse calls) about how she was tricked/coerced into taking another LDT. As I heard it, “they” told her that her attorney was there and when she got into the room he wasn’t. They had the LDT all set up and said things like, “But you agreed and it’s all set up.”
Let the games begin.
WOW!! BAC thanks for the info.
Cate I agree with your 1:31pm post
BAC, Or have they been messing with it, really, really, messing with it, from the start!!!
I just read his next court date is July 6.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=158126&catid=3http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=158126&catid=3
BAC, Thanks so much for the info!!!!!! It is why I hang out here. So much harder to monitor all the other relevant sites. This crowd is AWESOME.
OJ & Alex, Maybe we need to leave now?
You guys are welcome!! I have to give credit to Radionewz… she is one tweetin chick!!!
BAC I agree with your 1:38pm post.
Just last week we were all wondering why it was so quiet! I can’t believe {maybe I can} that LE would place him in GP. From my experience working in County Jails, that is a red flag, that’s jail-house rule 101. They are a bunch of asses!
Crazy, a Judge will hear this motion on July 16? Tommy is being sentenced on July 7 what good is it going to do to hear this motion after that?
OK, gonna predict now, LOL, because of Putnam Counties screw up on this – Tommy’s lawyer and the prosecutor go back to the plea table and when July 7th comes around, we will see all his charges reduced if they drop the complaint against PCSO and Tommy walks out with just probation.
Why was Tommy put in GP? Ron is in GP!
BAC, What is jail house rule #1 about GP? TIA.
Whaddya’ all think Nancy Grace is going to do with this?
Doesn’t Ron go back to court this month as well? I thought it was before or on the 23rd of the month.
cent, thanks for that info @ 1 :34 –
Separate from the rights issue, it’s interesting because some bloggers had already speculated that T was getting screwed by his lawyer and Brown, the PI. I’m glad someone told him that it’s at least a possibility although it’s a shame it had to be done in a way that apparently violated his rights.
I don’t trust T’s lawyer, the PI or PCSO so who knows what’s going on?
m2c, I don’t follow your comment, “I’m glad someone told him that it’s at least a possibility although it’s a shame it had to be done in a way that apparently violated his rights.” Can you say it in a different way or explain?
I thought that St. Johns was doing a favor for Putnam County by keeping Tommy. Tommy did not commit the crimes that he is charged with in St. Johns.
So not sure Werter has a leg to stand on.
Plus reading the Read Motion http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0701/24110635.pdf
Werter needs spell check or something.
I don’t trust Tommy’s lawyer either since he came out saying that Tommy led LE to the site, etc.
lfJ, I thought Ron was in court July 9. As for Tommy, I thought sentencing was July 6 but on FirstCoastnews they say that is just the next court date and that sentencing has not been set.
This is interesting that Werter is filing this complaint. Is it possible that Tommy had Werter going in the wrong direction and decided to come clean?
To say it more clearly, that Tommy was caving to PCSO pressure and Werter believed Tommy’s stories; but sometime between mid-April and now, Tommy came clean with Werter and they are going in a whole different direction?
Cate I thought Tommys sentencing date was Tuesday the 6th. I know Rons plea date is soon but I thought his court date was between the 18th and the 23rd.HMM Not sure. I do not know how to retieve the court dockets.
Cate, the article Cent posted @ 1:34 said that the PCSO told Tommy that “the attorney of record and his private investigator were ‘rat-ing’ him out.”
Some people here had speculated on collusion between T’s lawyer and the PI who worked for CS. So, in case T hadn’t heard about that possibility, I’m glad PCSO told him.
Of course hearing the accusations about how he was treated otherwise is not a good thing.
Does that help?
I see that as being possible Cate. We all were wondering why bring Tommy from St.Johns to Putnam to await his sentencing.
Maybe PCSO is mad at T, his lawyer and the PI for sending them on the useless river search and getting them to believe that Haleigh is dead. Sure made idiots out of PCSO.
I think Tommy will be going home… where ever that is! Did ya guys catch the names of the LE that “forcibly” removed Tommy for question?
**Read the entire motion**
m2c, yes, it helps. Since Werter is the one filing the harrassment motion and such, I assume that PCSO telling him that Werter and Brown are ratting him out is an out-and-out PCSO lie. I, too, was skeptical about Werter (and Brown) but this is encouraging.
Gawd!! I wish phone calls/visits were available to us!
More likely, PCSO made an idiot out of Tommy and PCSO is making idiots out of PCSO.
I personally believe in Werter! I think he has been doing the best he can with what he is working with… I also believe that Tommy has misled him at some point. The PI, I don’t think about!!
pcso can’t even FRAME someone right the buffoons! Hope’s lawyer fed her to the wolves, tomme’s lawyer had him walk the plank, Doona’s worthless, ron’s worthless..
misty’s lawyer is the only one that kept his yap shut..that says something..he should have been countering the poisoning of the jury pool but the public has a short memory..if he can get the trial out of putnam misty has a shot. 12 decent people will see the truth that misty was ENTRAPPED, SET UP and COHERCED by an LE gone MAD!! Thats only if she LIVES to see trial..LE does not want their filthy laundry aired for all to see.
Me TOO! BAC
Thanks, BAC, I didn’t see the link for the motion until I went back and looked for it. Oh, boy is PCSO in trouble now! I bet Tommy walks!
So now the hard question, what does this mean about where HaLeigh is or what has happened to her?
This is a whole new chapter, “The Dirt on PCSO.”
The accused LE are Capt. Piscatello, and Detectives John Merchant and Peggy Cone. And Werter thru Sheriff Hardy in for good measure.
As always… we come back to our baby, HaLeigh!
I saw Piscatello, Merchant and Cone; where does Werter mention Hardy?
I hope this means that PSCO is being blackmailed and HaLeigh is “in hiding” with a caring family. I fear that Ronbo did something to her and he has an “in” with PCSO and this is part of that.
Tommy has always told the truth, so I’m sure this all true…not so much.
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At least we will have another juicy motion to look at.
I need to get a bigger microwave.
Cate, see Item # 6 on the motion.
Anyone know what happened with the divorce!
jaba, I think this is the truth from Tommy, trying to figure out a short version of why I think that.
microwave?
Cate aka (Kate), unfortunately what I think this means for poor Haleigh, is if Tommy has any knowledge at all of what happened to her then PSCO just screwed up big time and won’t ever get the chance to question him again. If he had any involvement, PSCO has just blown the case because now he will get off on Civil Rights violations.
m2c where can I find this motion? Thanks
m2c, thanks.
lfJ, to to WESH and find the story. On the left hand side, under a video link, there is a link to the document.
Ladiesadie, Something just don’t feel right about this. Why would PCSO intentionally blow this case? They had to know what they were doing and what the outcome of their actions would cause. Your thoughts please.
lfj, go to wesh.com
On the home page the headline is on the right. Click on that. Within the article is a place to click to read the motion.
Cate, did you see my answer to your question about Hardy? It’s item # 6 on the motion.
Thank you M2c.
LadySadie, although PCSO has had plenty, plenty, plenty of time to get something legitimate out of Tommy. If they didn’t have it by now I can’t see that they were ever going to get it. Time for someone else to be talking to Tommy about what he knows about what really happened.
Perhaps this is why Lyndsey and Tommys divorce hearing was continued until the 20th of July. Perhaps Tommy is expecting to walk.jmo
Cate you are right PCSO has had plenty of time to get something out of Tommy. Why would they intentionally violate his rights right before his sentencing date and giving him a chance to walk free?
m2c, I did get your answer (see my post) and I thank you for it 🙂 .
lfj, I have no idea why PSCO would do this. First why would they put Tommy in gen pop with Ron? I think PSCO is feeling so much pressure to solve the Haleigh case that they just screwed up.
In the motion you will notice that #4 D states there were civilian attired, unknown persons in the interrogation room while Tommy was being questioned. So I don’t think Tommy is making up this one.
Macy, you are so right, this motion is going to make it even worse for Tommy in PCSO jail. Although now the nation is watching so maybe it will be fine until July 16.
Would love to hear Cobra’s take on this as he has met all the LE involved.
Maybe those other stories that Tommy has told were because PCSO was pressuring him; from August of ’09 when he placed himself at the crime scene by saying that he banged on the door of Ronbo’s house to see if Misty was home all the way up to the “Joe did it” debaucle in April.
With Lindsy striking a pose on MySpace, in her lace leggings and old Fredericks of Hollywood outfit… Tommy should be a happy man when he walks!!
BAC you are right about that.
BAC, yes, Tommy saw that pic and was finally moved to the truth!
bbl, although will find it hard to stay away.
Andrea Lyons speaks after she steps down June 30th did any of you see this>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrea-lyon/fighting-the-death-penalt_b_630975.html
cobra was involved in the fake search but he hasn’t talked about it..hmmmmmmmmm why not?
and he said that nastyness about misty and tommy but buttoned his lip ever since..
He said he was innocent but surprize surprize he plead GUILTY!
LE probably did threaten Tommy in some way. But it doesn’t explain his calls to Granny H. . They didn’t make him call her. JMO
ky mom, if you listen to the tapes of the call to Grammy Gumms, Tommy is not the one doing the talking Grammy Gumms is. He is just more “like whatever” to get her to shut up.
More likely Macy, Grammy wanted on Nancy Grace, LOL. How quick was she to call Nancy to get on? Then more then half the stuff she said on NG was never said on the tapes.
looking for Justice said,in July 1st, 2010 at 3:07 pm Cate you are right PCSO has had plenty of time to get something out of Tommy. Why would they intentionally violate his rights right before his sentencing date and giving him a chance to walk free?
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Whatever T told PCSO did NOT help them solve Haleigh’s disappearance so they’re mad. I feel like T would say anything to anyone to get out of jail so whatever Werter and/or Brown may have suggested is what he said or he made something up. Or there just isn’t proof of it so PCSO is PO’d.
I’m not sure this equals a get out of jail free card. It may mean he’ll be transferred to another jail pretty quickly. It may mean he can sue PCSO for $$$ (which makes me sick to my stomach).
Forgot to add that PCSO questioned him about Haleigh, NOT about the drugs and thefts he’s charged with so I don’t see how their behavior would get him off those charges. But I don’t really know how these things can work.
Does cobra have any unresolved issues with PSO ?
LS @ 3:38 – LE may not have released all the tapes. I’m not sticking up for the grandmother at all, just saying we may not have heard everything from T.
cops shoot down unarmed people and nothing happens..what makes you think violating tom’s rights is a get out of jail free card?
Nothing will come of it.
Read Motion http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0701/24110635.pdf
In the news4jax article they admit to questioning him so they can’t now go back and say it never happened.
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Ryan did not address the specific allegations but said his investigators did not do anything improper.
“Croslin is in jail on drug charges facing sentencing,” Ryan said. “Our folks talked to him about another pending investigation, totally separate. Again, we’re just not going to respond to the allegations.”
You Guys,
See what Kaine Hormon did with the press?
http://blogs. wweek.com/ news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots- ww-and-the-oregonian/
looking for Justice said,in July 1st, 2010 at 7:29 am Goodmorning all.
I would lean more to JS if Haleigh was taken by the maternal side. CS would not have gotten an ex- FBI to investigate and look for Haleigh if she knew where she was.
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I see what you are saying, but after the Anthony’s involvement with Dominic Casey, I wouldn’t be so sure of that.
Why would Werter take a risk and file these motions if they were not true? He might be trying to cover his own butt too for his blunder in letting Tommy talk to the PI (after the LDT) BEFORE PSCO. An expensive river search that yielded nothing, reclassifying this case a homocide with no evidence. Yes this stinks and maybe (I hope) a fresh set of eyes will come down there and hopefully NOW this little girl will be found. But then again with this new stink Tommy might be looking at more time because of who he has pissed off. It can go either way but the glaring consistency is this LE has made blunder upon blunder, mistake after mistake, and NOW we have someone now putting a SPOTLIGHT on it. This just could be the break this case needs and this child being found. And we all say Tommy might be stupid–smartest person I have seen in the Satsuma Five. I hope Misty follows suit. Now wouldn’t that shake things up? JMO
Yep. Nothing will happen. Maybe he gets a few free honey buns and a pack of jerky for his ‘inconvenience’.
Glad we have a system where he can be heard.
The only way I see this leading to a possible solution of Haleigh’s disappearance is for a new group of LE to start from scratch and even if they did it’s a long shot.
And unfortunately as a result of this, PCSO really can NOT charge T with Haleigh’s murder even if they really think he did it. They blew it.
What’s up with Tommy’s hair?
LadySadie said,in July 1st, 2010 at 10:44 am m2c, we have to agree to disagree on that one. Ron’s own actions condemns everything about him, has nothing to do with whether someone “likes” him or not. Ron did NOTHING to help find Haleigh, and did everything he could think of to make sure the attention was taken away from the search for Haleigh, IMO.
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Are you sure you aren’t confusing Ron with Crystal? Because every time I saw Ron on tv he was pleading for Haleigh’s return. Everytime I saw Crystal on tv she barely mentioned Haleigh and only seemed interested in trashing Ron.
What the HECK happened to Tommy’s hair? OMG? Did they snatch him out of the barber’s chair to take that picture? LOL Oh my word, that is horrible!
And I don’t see anything coming out of this. Just the atty flexing his muscles and LE rolling their eyes…as usual.
Robin @ 4:14
I don’t know that it’s a risk to file this motion. How is what T says “This Time” going to prove anything? I guess jail records could show what cell he had but then probably it’s his word against PCSO’s about what happened and what was said.
It could be a good way to get PCSO off Tommy’s back for good if they were still interested in him for being involved with Haleigh’s disappearance.
I don’t know. Just suggesting things.
JB, We don’t agree on the attorney’s motives and who should be rolling their eyes but I sure am glad we agree on Tommy’s hair!! Since when do inmates get sprout toupees?
me said,
in July 1st, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Nope, not confused, wasn’t talking about Crystal at all. Ron sure wasn’t pleading for Haleigh’s return when he INVITE the news station to Chili’s to film him proposing to Misty, he wasn’t pleading for Haleigh’s return when he INVITED the news station to film his “fancy” wedding. He was purposely pulling the attention away from the search for Haleigh and trying to make himself a “star” (if only in his own mind). All jmo.
I have never claimed that Crystal was any shining example, but her actions have nothing to do with Ron’s OWN actions.
But hey isn’t it great that we have a place where we can discuss our differing views.
Nothing will come of it? I think its just the tip of the iceberg. Anytime someone goes into an interrogation–free will or not–when they ask for and attorney that interrogation has to cease, until that attorney arrives. That is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. If Tommy can prove just that he stands one hell of chance of getting everything said thrown out (even if he confessed downright). Think of John Couey (if I am not mistaken almost the same scenario).
wow, I really did think that Hardy and crew moved Tommy for a reason, they wanted full access to him in order to apply abusive interrogation tactics, so sad they are acting like the criminals they try and lock up ,and all this is not bringing us any closer to finding out what happend to HaLeigh , it is just mudding the waters big time
and I agree unfortunatly nothing will come of it for Tommy, they will do there own “investigation” of it and that will be that jmo
New article up about Tommy.
http://www.bloggernews.net/ 124829
LadySadie: I know we agreed to disagree about what me posted at 4:39 but I wanted to add that part of my problem with this is saying R did “nothing” to help find Haleigh which is patently untrue. He did go out on one search – and as I said I don’t think parents should.
He taped an appeal for TV, he went on NG (for better or worse it did bring attention to the case), he went on other interviews. It’s not really his fault if the public or the interviewers were more interested in him and his sins than in finding Haleigh (which appeared to be the case in some interviews).
It’s just not true to say R did nothing to help find her. And I’m sure LE warned him but good about tearing off on his own.
Just cause Tommy has cried wolf before on several occasions, doesn’t mean he is lying this time. Let’s be real here… there was no reason for PCSO to move him there at this particular time… other than to harass/intimidate him.
Cricket said,in July 1st, 2010 at 1:24 pm Tommy Croslin Atty. filed leagal papers ,He’s being mistreated.
http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/070110_croslin.pdf
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Wow. Thanks for sharing that. PCSO is even worse than I thought. What a disgusting abuse of power….they need to be fired.
Please bring some real LE to investigate this case. These stupid cops are out of control. IMO.
Robin, so far PCSO is not saying T said anything and I’m sure they won’t now. So it doesn’t matter what T did or didn’t say.
And as for it happening at all it may be a “he said, they said” thing. Unless Werter finds out who those civilan clothed people were and they testify.
Beautiful*Adams (cent) said,in July 1st, 2010 at 1:50 pm Just last week we were all wondering why it was so quiet! I can’t believe {maybe I can} that LE would place him in GP. From my experience working in County Jails, that is a red flag, that’s jail-house rule 101. They are a bunch of asses!
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I could not agree more. They would have to want to see him killed to put him in there. I am so glad his lawyer has gone public with the information. Hopefully they’ll get him back into protection asap for fear they’ll be sued to high heaven if something happens to him.
LS @ 4:49 –
You said: Ron sure wasn’t pleading for Haleigh’s return when he INVITE the news station to Chili’s to film him proposing to Misty, he wasn’t pleading for Haleigh’s return when he INVITED the news station to film his “fancy” wedding. He was purposely pulling the attention away from the search for Haleigh and trying to make himself a “star” (if only in his own mind). All jmo.
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You can imagine all the motives you want for R but equally plausible are OTHER motives like he was trying to get the focus OFF himself. The media was nutz about him and M’s relationship. So by legitimizing it – getting married – maybe he thought they’d shut up about that and get back to focusing on Haleigh. I really never saw R as trying to get the media’s attention. More tolerating it and then shunning it.
looking for Justice said,in July 1st, 2010 at 1:52 pm Why was Tommy put in GP? Ron is in GP!
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My guess is that the idiots at PCSO are so embarrassed by their screw up they are now hoping someone will kill him and they can pretend the case is closed.
Remember what happened in the Couey case. The judge threw out the confession because Couey asked for an attorney and LE did not give him one, just kept asking him questions. They are lucky it did not cost them the case and let a child murderer go free.
PCSO has blundered this case from day one. They have done nothing but try and put pressure on those they have behind bars even though LE is fully aware they all have attorneys. They took Misty out of her sell at night and administered a LDT on her without notification to her attorney.
IMO PCSO needs to be investigated. I do not believe they have the first clue of what happened to Haleigh and are doing everything they can, even if it is constitutionally wrong, to try and pin it on somebody, anybody. OR PCSO DOES know what happened and they are covering for the real criminals.
me @ 5:10 – Do you mean Ron? Or Tommy?
Beautiful*Adams (cent) said,in July 1st, 2010 at 2:18 pm I personally believe in Werter! I think he has been doing the best he can with what he is working with… I also believe that Tommy has misled him at some point. The PI, I don’t think about!!
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I had my doubts about Werter and think he made mistakes by going public with a lot of what he “knew”. But everyone makes mistakes, and I feel more confident in him now.
M2C–I read the news article and not the actual complaint, but I thought it stated they tried to question him without his attorney present. ANY competent attorney knows to contact the attorney of present BEFORE questioning a suspect, unless the client willing decides to cooperate (but then didn’t it say they “forcibly” removed Tommy to do this interrogation). I highly doubt Tommy would cooperate with LE at that juncture without an attorney. But then hopefully LE has interrogation videos/tapes to refute these allegations. Either way it does NOT show PCSO in a good light.
Remember these are the same “detectives” that allegedly threatened TN and had her in tears when she went to speak to them about what they were doing to find Haleigh.
Cate (aka Kate) said,in July 1st, 2010 at 2:47 pm jaba, I think this is the truth from Tommy, trying to figure out a short version of why I think that.
microwave?
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I also think this is the truth. According to Hank they were also coming around and harrassing and threatening him and Lisa and may have done the same to Lindsay. Hank & Lisa should also probably get a lawyer, and if Misty is being similarily harrassed, I hope her lawyer does something about it too.
New article… see ya all there!
Where is HaLeigh? The hell with the rest!
Macy said,in July 1st, 2010 at 2:49 pm It looks to me like filing the motion could make life at Putnam County jail even more difficult for Tommy.
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Quite the opposite imo. I would be they’ve already moved him back into protection. The fact that they are deliberately putting his life at risk has been exposed, and he will be far safer for it. People accused of harming little girls are never put in general population. These idiots already have a lot of explaining to do.
Remember the gun Tommy stole that was returned. The victim said that LE coerced him into filing a complaint. That he did not want to press charges.
There is a pattern of harassment and coercion that PCSO has been following to try and get the Croslins to talk.
While I am all for LE doing what ever they can to find Haleigh, stepping all over our Constitutional rights can not be part of their methods. If we accept that then we all might as well move to Cuba or invite Castro over to govern us.
ooops…”bet” not “be”
Cate (aka Kate) said,in July 1st, 2010 at 3:14 pm Maybe those other stories that Tommy has told were because PCSO was pressuring him; from August of ‘09 when he placed himself at the crime scene by saying that he banged on the door of Ronbo’s house to see if Misty was home all the way up to the “Joe did it” debaucle in April.
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I have always thought that. When they first questioned him and he “admitted” being at the mh that night, I thought it very odd that they seemed to believe in him so strongly. IMO, they’ve wanted to get Misty because they’ve messed up by focusing on her, and they are doing desperate stupid things, thinking they’d get away with it because these people are from a poor background and couldn’t and didn’t really fight back…til now.
m2c said,in July 1st, 2010 at 4:21 pm The only way I see this leading to a possible solution of Haleigh’s disappearance is for a new group of LE to start from scratch and even if they did it’s a long shot.
And unfortunately as a result of this, PCSO really can NOT charge T with Haleigh’s murder even if they really think he did it. They blew it.
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I think and hope that there is now a real chance fresh LE will come into the case. I sure hope so as I have zero confidence in PCSO finding Haleigh.
robin said,in July 1st, 2010 at 4:50 pm Nothing will come of it? I think its just the tip of the iceberg. Anytime someone goes into an interrogation–free will or not–when they ask for and attorney that interrogation has to cease, until that attorney arrives. That is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. If Tommy can prove just that he stands one hell of chance of getting everything said thrown out (even if he confessed downright). Think of John Couey (if I am not mistaken almost the same scenario).
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ITA.
Where I live, when LE know a person in custody is legally represented, they would ordinarily call that person’s lawyer to arrange an interview, not just show up and attempt to interview him without his appointed lawyer.
robin said,in July 1st, 2010 at 4:50 pm Nothing will come of it? I think its just the tip of the iceberg. Anytime someone goes into an interrogation–free will or not–when they ask for and attorney that interrogation has to cease, until that attorney arrives. That is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. If Tommy can prove just that he stands one hell of chance of getting everything said thrown out (even if he confessed downright). Think of John Couey (if I am not mistaken almost the same scenario).
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ITA.
Where I live, when LE know a person in custody is legally represented, they would ordinarily call that person’s lawyer to arrange an interview, not just show up and attempt to interview him without his appointed lawyer.
robin said,in July 1st, 2010 at 4:50 pm Nothing will come of it? I think its just the tip of the iceberg. Anytime someone goes into an interrogation–free will or not–when they ask for and attorney that interrogation has to cease, until that attorney arrives. That is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. If Tommy can prove just that he stands one hell of chance of getting everything said thrown out (even if he confessed downright). Think of John Couey (if I am not mistaken almost the same scenario).
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ITA.
Where I live, when LE know a person in custody is legally represented, they would ordinarily call that personn’s lawyer to arrange an interview, not just show up and attempt to interview him without his appointed lawyer.
m2c said,in July 1st, 2010 at 5:19 pm me @ 5:10 – Do you mean Ron? Or Tommy?
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Tommy. Anyone who knows anything about jails knows that people who have hurt young girls need to be kept out of general population as real bad things happen to them there.
m2c@ 12:48- First of all I did not say he was responsible for the kidnapping, I said he was the custodial parent and therefore had more responsibility. Secondly, Marc Klass was not the custodial parent but he is a man with integrity who truly cared for his daughter!
wOw an its heating up im going to read the motion,about TC not getting fair treatment.
Also Emergency hearing tomorrow in Caylees murder case. C
wOw an its heating up im going to read the motion,about TC not getting fair treatment.
Also Emergency hearing tomorrow in Casey will be in court…
Jan57, maybe Casey will accidentally “trip” again and not have to be in court (as she has requested to not have to be there before)
LadySadie- I think she did it on purpose so she didn’t have to come to court! She’ll do anything to get what she wants imo!
CJ…there’s a new story….come join us there?!
Jan57, I haven’t been on for a few days. I am so glad you are here. How did things go in Charleston. You have been in my prayers.
Thanks LFJ. My friend is really distraught over not knowing about her daughter or granddaughter. I wish they would just come home.
Alex, you said “Did you see the case of missing Abbi Obermiller? She is a 17 year old, … Police questioned her 20 year old boyfriend, who told them he didn’t know where she was. It turns out she was hiding in his apartment attic and now he is in jail on obstruction charges. She is also in jail for disobeting an officer’s command to come out of the attic. I don’t know what state you are in but while many times lying to LE doesn’t get prosecuted, it does sometimes get you arrested.
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It will get you arrested if you are Aiding and Abetting the fugitive or victim. And that is what this guy was doing. Not only did he know she was there, he was reportedly ‘keeping’ her there. He was providing a place for her to hide and providing a way for her to do what she was doing. That is what got him arrested. That is in all states, to my knowledge. And it is in all states, that you do not have to tell LE anything.
If you lie to them about yourself, such as your name, etc., then that can be ‘providing false information’, etc.
But if LE asks you about a crime and you tell them you don’t know, (even if you do know), you owe them nothing! There is nothing illegal about that. If you are part of the crime, or have involvement in it somehow, or are Aiding and Abetting the criminals, then yes, you can be arrested.
Re Cayle Anthony case. I wanted to comment about the “coincidences” discussed on the show, how the neighbor’s names combined made the name “Zanaida Gonzalez,” and the line pointing to where poor Caylee was found, etc.
Cobra in his mind was obviously comparing this to the “coincidences” with the names about the Kennedy and Lincoln assassinations, etc. I can see where he is coming from. I think a lot of people might think that. And Zenaida and Gonzalez are probably quite common Hispanic names, too. So that COULD be a coincidence. But the property lines?
I wouldn’t be too sure it is coincidence. It’s *at least* equally as likely (in my opinion), that it was what I call the sociopathic covert GLOAT: “You’ll never catch me,” or “You’re all so stupid you’ll never figure it out,” sort of thing. The only other possibility is that there was a frame-up of such diabolical, meticulous planning and proportions that the odds would be atronomically against it. But, on the other hand, truth can be stranger than fiction. There is always the one-in-a-billion case.
Yes, it makes sense to look first for horses before looking for zebras. Which is what Cobra, I am sure, does exceedingly well. Most crimes are simple.
But this might be a “zebra” situation. Because here is what some sociopaths do: They drop little gloat-hints all over the place while they are doing things to you. I could write a book about it. Cobra, you’re a good guy, but you are a guy.
I think we’re seeing the tip of the iceberg here. At least a few of these females are getting caught these days. Think how many have gone un-caught over the years. And statistically, there may be more of this type today than ever before.
And ages 5-7 seem particularly dangerous for little girls if there is a narcissistic parent. Which might be a factor in the Haleigh case, and JonBenet Ramsay, too, of course. Well, these are all just my opinions of possibilities. (I have always for some reason felt like the perp in the JBR case was a female.) If Caylee’s parent is a narcissist, it would seem that at the age of three she couldn’t have done anything to set the parent off like a 5-6 year old could have. It makes it look even worse if the parent killed her.
In regard to the accusations of molestation, I said in a previous post that maybe Casey was getting even with George for not protecting her against Cindy, but it is also possible that it was merely the case of getting even with him for not taking her side.
And maybe George, BECAUSE OF KNOWING HER PROPENSITY FOR MAKING THINGS UP, has been expecting this for awhile. It may simply be a case of, when is she going to get around to saying that. We can’t know.
It seems like some people are “born” with a sense of entitlement, and if the mother early fosters it, automatically expecting the child to think like her, and have everything the way she thinks it should be, etc., and the mother “rules the roost;” and does such unwise things as using money and things as leverage (rewards and punishments)–“Let me show you how it should be,” — the inside follows the outside???— and the father basically abdicates his responsibility because he doesnt’ want to deal with his wife–yes, I can see how this whole thing could have arisen to the point of a crime being committed. It would, to my way of thinking, with a certain type of person in the position of child, be guaranteed to produce a person who would live a double life.
And I can also see how one might be mistaken in concluding that Cindy is a physically violent person; maybe she was goaded into doing something she doesn’t normally do, when she waved that bat. (But if she put her fingers around Casey’s throat, that *might* not follow in the same vein. I don’t think we know enough about what happened that day, and is that when Cindy found out or realized that Caylee was dead? We don’t know. For some reason, I have believed at least one of them knew Caylee was dead the whole time.)
And it’s possible, she may have been a verbally abusive mother. Some people think they can “fix” other people. “We’ll just fix this, do a little tweaking and you’ll be perfect.” And/Or it never is what it is (make excuses for the kid), and finally they realize they need to do something and take extreme action, or the wrong action. The first impulse is denial of course. There must be a “reason.”
But maybe nothing would have done any good anyway. WE CAN’T KNOW. I don’t know exactly for this case, I just know what I have observed in one particular situation of a disfunctional family that *I* would describe as being “one for the history books.”
I haven’t followed this case as closely as the Haleigh case by any means, partly because for some reason I realized early on that the child must be dead.
I do know that I wouldn’t want to be in the position of having to sit in judgment and try to figure all this out about what was exactly the case. Some really might feel they would need to figure out a lot of this if they had to decide if someone deserves the death penalty.
It would seem there is an exception to every rule. So I would wonder if it could be said automatically that in all cases where a mother kills her child, she must have been sexually abused as a youngster (If I recall the comment correctly that that does seem to be a rule.) We just don’t know.
I agree that ahlthough one tries to understand where people are coming from, there is no excuse for killing a child. I used to wobble about the death penalty, but when they executed Bundy, and showed him walking down that hall, I knew justice was being served. (In that case.) I hope we can all feel justice is served in this one.
CA could have spent a large portion of her young life trying to figure how to get even with her mother.
When you have a monster, you have a choice. You either feed it, or you don’t. If you start feeding it, and then you stop, look out.
This is, of course, just my theory of what could be possible based on my personal experience with monster-feeders.
LOL, monster-feeders! That is so very true. I will remember that analogy. I get tired of the ‘enable’ statement.
Yes, I have made the mistake of being a monster-feeder and do my best not to be, on a daily basis. thanks for the great advice.
JenM 7/01@ 10:14pm – There may be additional charges for the aiding & abetting but the obstruction charge is for the lying.
I don’t know what state you’re in but there are many states that arrest people for hindering an investigation, which includes lying, they don’t always get prosecuted but that doesn’t stop LE from trying!
JenM- Sergeant Jim Fulton told CNN that Robert Young was arrested prior to Abbi being discovered for obstruction of justice charges’ Young refused to take a LDT, and then repeatedly deneied having any knowledge of Abbi’s whereabouts! I think in every state you can refuse a LDT so the obstruction of justice was the lying!
This is even uglier than I suspected….just searched PCSO’s inmate records, and they have put Tommy in general population with 2 of the people arrested with Hardy’s son….Scott Hood and Johanna Smith are both still in Putnam County. It seems to me they really want him hurt or dead….imo.
me- ita
Alex,
I was sorry to read about your mother and hope she is feeling better. Watching our mothers suffer is so painful….I’ve been there. I do hope she gets better soon.
me- thank you for your kind words. We were told today that if she doesn’t get a blood tranfusion she will be dead in three months. She has a recurrence of colon cancer, in 2002 she had surgery and a resection of her colon, she has refused to have any more surgery. Yesterday she refused even a blood transfusion. Her Primary care doctor is on vacationif she lasts the weekend he may be able to convince her to have the transfusion! She is 90 years old and very stubborn!
me said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm This is even uglier than I suspected….just searched PCSO’s inmate records, and they have put Tommy in general population with 2 of the people arrested with Hardy’s son….Scott Hood and Johanna Smith are both still in Putnam County. It seems to me they really want him hurt or dead….imo
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You have got to be joking??
OMG! 90 years old and still spunky! I can’t imagine the position she is in….don’t know that I’d want more surgeries at that age either. What a shame about the blood transfusion…hopefully her primary doctor will convince her to have it on Monday. Fingers crossed. I watched my mother have blood transfusions…it didn’t look like fun at all….but not as bad as surgery of course. I hope and pray that your mom is feeling much better soon. It sounds like she’s very lucky to have you helping her out.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 5:51 pm me- thank you for your kind words. We were told today that if she doesn’t get a blood tranfusion she will be dead in three months. She has a recurrence of colon cancer, in 2002 she had surgery and a resection of her colon, she has refused to have any more surgery. Yesterday she refused even a blood transfusion. Her Primary care doctor is on vacationif she lasts the weekend he may be able to convince her to have the transfusion! She is 90 years old and very stubborn!
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Awww Alex,I am so sorry to hear that,Honestly!!!!
(((Alex))))
CathyJo63 said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 6:00 pm me said,in July 2nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm This is even uglier than I suspected….just searched PCSO’s inmate records, and they have put Tommy in general population with 2 of the people arrested with Hardy’s son….Scott Hood and Johanna Smith are both still in Putnam County. It seems to me they really want him hurt or dead….imo
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You have got to be joking??
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Nope. Both still in there. PCSO has a lot of explaining to do, imo.
OMG,What..are they trying to get him killed now,jmo
Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard!
exactly right Me,thats all it can be,I knew there was a reason behind it but i thought maybe just to get ron and tommy communicating via the other inmates,Man…….they play dirty don’t they?
Tommy may not be the best person in the world but he’s someones child,If i were Lisa and Hank I’d start doing a few things!
Its obvious his rights have been violated when they do this crap,wow……….Screwed it up,and no justice for Haleigh in sight anywhere!
Werter coming up on JVM to talk about TC’s treatment in PC jail.
me said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm
This is even uglier than I suspected….just searched PCSO’s inmate records, and they have put Tommy in general population with 2 of the people arrested with Hardy’s son….Scott Hood and Johanna Smith are both still in Putnam County. It seems to me they really want him hurt or dead….imo.
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me, how can you tell who TC is in a cell with?
Lillymae, what is JVM?
Hey Lilly!
I’ll gotta see that Lilly,ty
LOL, figured it out Lillymae, watching it now.
LOL, they are making fun of Grammy Gumms.
Saying Grammy Gumms was probably making it up to get her 15 minutes of fame. LOL, I’ve said that all along.
Unless Werter can present more and deliver it more clearly than what he just did, he can crawl back into his hole, imo.
Well, Jane actually didn’t give him much of a chance to talk.
Thank You- CathyJo & Me!
Once again tonight on Jane Velez Mitchell, Werter claims that Tommy knows what happened the night HaLeigh went missing.
So what is the hold up with getting on with this case.
I missed jvm and you know NG don’t care..
maybe sierra1947 will have it.
Does LE obligated to contact a prisoner’s attorney when they decide to transfer the prisoner to another facility?
Sorry, Is LE obligated to contact a prisoner’s attorney when they decide to transfer the prisoner to another facility?
You are most Welcome Alex!
My livestream didn’t work!
Lillymae,
No idea who he’s in a cell with. The records only show who is in the jail, not their cell allocations or anything like that.
Hey guys went ot other thread and looks like someone got out of order. What a shame.
It does nothing to honor this child’s life. I didn’t read anything but Jan’s last post.
LADYSADIE, read your response though sorry to hear about your childhood. However, I stood by.
my kid as a mother should. Yes those deamons from the past do crop up ever now and again even though she is 36.
Local news highlighting Tommy’s whining….
I hope something will surface next week. I don’t think that community can find any closure
until it does. I have a friend that stops by
every now and again. Has a weekend place close
to there. It says that small town is having a
hard time moving on. Of course that is rumor
control and since I am not from Putnam I am
clueless
I’ll believe his right were violated when a judge says so after a complete hearing.
Thanks, Coop, your daughter is very lucky to have a mother like you. I am sure having your support has helped her throughout life.
Sierra does a good job on the videos,OJ!
I imagine she will post it!
The livestream kept cutting off on me,grrr,lol
I tell you one thing Tommy Croslin’s attorney
just files this petty crab for him so he can pick up some bucks from the media outlets.
Tommy Croslin is going to be in for a big
fooling if he think Judge LaRue is going to
play footsy with him. He is a tough judge.
Jail is jail I would suppose. It’s not suppose to be the Hilton. If law enforcement
put the heat on it so be it. Tommy Croslin put himself at the crime scene not LE. Tommy Croslin and his attorney claims he know something then he needs to tell.
I just am not buying that corrupt LE had anything to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. My bet is they probably didn’t know
she existed until she was abducted.
I don’t buy stranger abduction either. A stranger would have had to have to much information to have pulled that off.
Tommy or Misty (maybe both) know where that
baby is
LadySadie, did you ever hear of the KEDS or some acronym like that they used in Duval.
It was a big crock. Counseling was going to be
the cure all for the sexual offenders. Those
women (wives) crying for their sexual predator husbands made me sick in group therapy. I took my kid out of that stuff and got her a good private therapist.
Coop, no never heard of that group, I agree counseling is never going to cure or even help sexual offenders. Thank goodness you got your daughter into private therapy. That is what my aunt and uncle did for me and then I have taken myself in every so often when I can feel stress getting to me.
Lady Sadie, it was through the DA’s office it
took the counseling route rather than making them pull time. The victims had the same counselor as the predators. Those kids hated their fathers and would rat them out to the counselors . Those kids were in foster care because the Mom choose the men over their children. I just don’t see how they sleep with
a man after he had molested and raped their children. It’s the saddest thing I ever saw
You are lucky to have that aunt and uncle too.
PCSO and FDLE are desperate now!! They want this case to disappear,
TommyC.’s attorney on JVM tonight, said Tommy HAS told them what happened that awful night, Werter declined to go in to the gruesome details; yet here we are, 3 months since the river search, and still no ‘immenent’ arrests.
What a major fluster cuck?
Where on earth is the FBI? How can the Fla State Govenor allow this crap to continue?
If Tommy C. is injured, or worse, in PCJail, it will be determined that he was the one responsible for the demise of HaLeigh.
This whole case has been a mess since night one, with the blankets being spread all over the ramp, the dogs kept sitting in a police car and the backdoor being ignored for months. In the year 2010, this is police investigation at it’s worst! JMO
Noreen is that you? Are you back in the UK now?
**Off Topic**
Noreen if you’re in the UK, can you please get the Kerry and Me {Kerry Katona} documentary and post it for me~~~ PLEASE!!!!!
Hi Vaq, Waving!!!
No, this is my team name for games I play online, forgot to change it, whooo
oops!!!!
How ya doing?
Hi Beautiful A.,
My two brothers are still in the UK, I’ll ask them if they can get if for you. I’ll let you know!
Noreen,
Hugs… Thank You!!
Totally O/T
Beautiful,
I haven’t spoken with either of my bros yet, but Kerry’s OK!!!
Check out the following:
http://www.mrpaparazzi.com/blog/index.aspx?postID=11699
Billybob said,in July 1st, 2010 at 3:44 pm Does cobra have any unresolved issues with PSO ?
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I’ll take a guess at this BillyBob, legally, probably NOT, morally and ethically, OH HELL YEA!!!!
Mind you, who knows which way Cobra would have brought this case, one minute Cummings Camp, next minute Sheffield, one minute Picazzio was the enemy, next minutem he’s living with her?
The thing that upsets me the most is…………SNODGRASS was granted bail and is still roaming around free as a bird! I truly, do not understand the law and justice at times.
I do have to add, Snodgrass claims he was set up.
Cobra saw the file PCSO had on the case, he would know more about the facts.
Sorry but IMVHO PCSO and Chucks Bail Bonds – SUCK.
The next question should be…..does Cobra have any unresolved questions with Kim. P. and Boatwright? I’d say heck yeaaa, going by what he said on BNN, he may NO LONGER think that way though.
So sad! So much for truth,
You watch my back, I’ll watch yours. Of course, it all depends on which week you’re doing the watching! JMO
cobra said he would never plead guilty but opps..he did. I want him to explain the fake search too..he was there and involved in it after all.
LOL gl with that OJ!
That was, IMO, a Johnny Sheffield, attempt at setting Misty up. Cobra holds JS in high regards, I doubt anyone will ever know the truth about the ‘Fake’ search, other than public opinion, which is, from very early on, ‘some people’ intended and wanted Misty arrested.
The question(s) is/are………………Why did Johhny Sheffield feel a need to do a fake search? Why did Johnny Sheffield, if you believe Timothy Holmeseth, state that he saw Misty Croslin out and driving around that night?
And besides being KP’s romantic interest, WTH does Jeremiah Regan have to do with this case? Timothy H., aka Crayon Boy, has audio of Jeremiah R., statiing that if he goes down, everyone is going to go with him.
Have PCSO looked in that direction?
17 months, HaLeigh Ann Marie Cummings is still missing.
Thanks Noreen
Who knows why any of these people say anything.
Tommy I remember when in St. Johns was saying he wished he was in Putnam and people said he was nuts, St. Johns was so much newer and Putnam was awful. Now Tommy is telling more lies and people believe them? Heck he probably is going to be charged in the Haleigh case. After all he told LE where she ended up. How could he be so stupid to think he would not be charged for anything in that case? Joe when he was accused he cried, Misty even shed tears on the topic of Haleigh even though I suspect the tears are for herself. Ron cries for himself his loss of his daughter and what she was to him, all not good and all not who I would want to parent any child but Tommy? Tommy laughed when first pointed at for this horrific crime.
We have heard Tommy cry. Have we heard him cry for Haleigh? About Haleigh? Have we heard him mad that he was pointed at in the Haleigh case?
again when talking about how other inmates taunt him and ask where is the baby, his reaction was not of tears or of indignation, he laughs. I mean I thought I heard Tommy Croslin say he loved haleigh like she was his own? This is his little sons best friend. Yet, he laughs when his sister pointed at him for this horrific crime? Tommy is sneaky. I think everyone has not given him enough credit. Tommy and Misty will be charged in the Haleigh case. But what they want it to be able to convict someone of her death. That is the problem. I think they will solve it. And I hope Tommy Croslin rots in jail either way.
Just for knowing where Haleigh was all this time and lying his ass off about it. I hope they take his statement of where she ended up and then play to a grand jury all his lies about how he can’t help the stupid pOlice cause he don’t know where she is at. And I hope he gets locked up forever. For pointing at Ron Cummings and saying remember Ron said it was them Mexicans, thats it someone come and Ron and Misty is covering that up, they have Haleigh, probably to late, What a SOB.
What a sorry excuse for a human.
its refreshing to post with someone who asks legimate questions..thank you noreen and cathy.
Noreen said,in July 3rd, 2010 at 12:38 am The question(s) is/are………………Why did Johhny Sheffield feel a need to do a fake search? Why did Johnny Sheffield, if you believe Timothy Holmeseth, state that he saw Misty Croslin out and driving around that night?
And besides being KP’s romantic interest, WTH does Jeremiah Regan have to do with this case? Timothy H., aka Crayon Boy, has audio of Jeremiah R., statiing that if he goes down, everyone is going to go with him.
Have PCSO looked in that direction?
17 months, HaLeigh Ann Marie Cummings is still missing.
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Was Johnny the one that told PCSO that he saw Misty out that night? If so, guess there was no corroboration or she would have been charged. So, why would he lie about that? Why wouldn’t they want the world looking for Haleigh instead of wanting the world to believe that it was hopeless because Ron and/or Misty did something to her? I can only think of one reason for that….they didn’t want people looking. Why not?
And no, I don’t think LE has looked closely at that side of the family at all. Maybe a very big mistake imo.
You can not be arrested for lying, unless you are lying about your involvement. Cops would have to arrest everyone if that was the case. The only reason that the guy got arrested for obstruction, is because he was guilty of it from lying about what he knew about the girl BECAUSE he was involved in what he was lying about. The two are connected. Not seperate.
JenM – Obstruction of Justice, including lying & sending LE in a wrong direction is a chargeable offense whether they are connected or not!
In my opinion, common sense would show a person that by lying thet are misdirecting an investigation, wasting valuable time & resources and so in essence they ARE connected!
JenM- We will just have to disagree on the this matter!
Coueys relatives that lied to LE saying they did not know where Couey was when in fact he was staying with them were charged but charges were dropped and they were released. I can’t remember exactly what they were charged with.
In Coueys confession he admitted that at least one of his roommates knew Jessica was in the MH BUT since the confession was thrown out BECAUSE LE did not give him a lawyer when requested, nobody else was charged.
I asked a friend of mine that is a lawyer and this is what they told me. The cops can’t believe everything someone tells them. They have to investigate. Also, my girlfriend is going through this same thing and her lawyer advised her of the same.
Her daughter and grandson are missing. She does not know where they are. If she gets a phone call or an email from her daughter and the cops ask her anything, she is Not obligated to supply them with that information. If my friend knew where her daughter was, she doesn’t have to tell them that either. However, if she knew where she was, because she was sending her money to stay there or providing her with a place to hide, or was involved in her dissapearance, then she could get in trouble if she lied to the police. This would be ‘falsifying information’.
‘Obstruction of justice’ is a very broad term, in which falsifying information can be a ‘part’ of, etc.
But I will agree to disagree. I can’t explain anymore in layman’s terms than what I already have.
Have a great discussion today and Find Haleigh.
Is this case ever going to have a conclusion? Is this case ever going to have an A HA moment where all the pieces fit and we have no doubt that we know who the guilty party is? I, for one, have thought this case has been a dead end since day one. LE did not investigate properly in the first few minutes, resulting in a long line of mistakes starting at day one to 17 months later. That questionable door should have been taken IMMEDIATELY. All family and friends that have visited that MH should have been fingerprinted, interrogated, and given alibis that very same day. The Sheffields should have been treated the same as the Croslins and Cummings (as potential suspects). Everyone’s vehicles and property should have been analyzed. That MH should have been picked over with a fine tooth comb. The SOs should have been rounded up, interrogated, residence and vehicles searched, and alibis checked thoroughly. Not to mention EVERYONE’s cell phone records as well as telephone records would have been analyzed. There would have been no stone left unturned. All of this should have been done IMMEDIATELY, not weeks or months down the road. The FBI was there to assist so resources should not have been a problem. Somewhere in this investigation there is bound to be a clue to the guilty party that LE has overlooked or maybe refused to ponder. I think LE has been blinded by their likely suspects (Misty and Tommy, who might I add has no history of this type of violence on a child) that they have overlooked the many potential suspects. Just because LE has went on the record saying this is a homocide does NOT make it true. Nor does it make Tommy, Misty, or even Ron guilty of it. LE knows Misty and Tommy have lied throughout this investigation, so why base your whole case around them, much less an expensive river search? I say (if I was LE) go back on the record, admit to your mistakes, deem this a missing child case and have the whole world looking for that precious child. They need to expand their focus, outside of the ones in jail, and see where that might lead. I would like Haleigh to be found–alive if possible–but if not, she deserves some peace and her family and friends deserve to know what happened to her–the good, the bad, and the ugly. Though we may never know the WHY, we need to know the WHO DID THIS and WHERE OUR HALEIGH IS. I think that is the least LE can give to the family that has faced this nightmare for over 17 months. JMO
if LE cared ron wouldn’t be looking at 5 trafficing charges..as soon as he got a pill in his hand arrest him for possesion but noooooo.. LE tighten the noose on everybody… noriega the dictator of panama was tried on eight counts of drug trafficking, racketeering, and money laundering and only did 17 years in a florida jail..but hope gets 15 for sitting in the back seat? crazy
Noreen said,
in July 2nd, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Hi Vaq, Waving!!!
No, this is my team name for games I play online, forgot to change it, whooo
oops!!!!
How ya doing?
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just doing 😉 wishing the sun would come out and dry up all this rain we’ve been having for a week.
OJ’s glove said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 11:20 am
if LE cared ron wouldn’t be looking at 5 trafficing charges..as soon as he got a pill in his hand arrest him for possesion but noooooo.. LE tighten the noose on everybody… noriega the dictator of panama was tried on eight counts of drug trafficking, racketeering, and money laundering and only did 17 years in a florida jail..but hope gets 15 for sitting in the back seat? crazy
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I agree and pedophiles like Chuck of Chuck’s bail bonds gets 5 years…go figure
Noreen said,
in July 3rd, 2010 at 12:38 am
The question(s) is/are………………Why did Johhny Sheffield feel a need to do a fake search? Why did Johnny Sheffield, if you believe Timothy Holmeseth, state that he saw Misty Croslin out and driving around that night?
And besides being KP’s romantic interest, WTH does Jeremiah Regan have to do with this case? Timothy H., aka Crayon Boy, has audio of Jeremiah R., statiing that if he goes down, everyone is going to go with him.
Have PCSO looked in that direction?
17 months, HaLeigh Ann Marie Cummings is still missing.
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What would Misty be driving since she didn’t have a vehicle? How did he see her in Satsuma when he lives in Georgetown unless he was in Satsuma that night?
I think the going down part,outside of Crystal and Kim, has to do with the donation money that was pocketed…all that cash.
I have thought a lot about the possibility of Misty not being home, a family member knowing that, and coming in and taking Haleigh, but I think if that were the case they would have taken both the children. JS could have easily picked both the children up at the same time and out the door with them.
That takes me back to believing Misty was home and if it was a family member they were not expecting the children to be in the bedroom with Misty. If Jr was on the other side of Misty the person may have not been able to reach Jr.
MG gave explicit information when she said CS had been in the MH before. MG stated that the children slept in the same bedroom together and Misty slept in the master bedroom. Although that was not the case, at least that night, that was the information that MG had. Both kids in one room together, Misty in the master bedroom.
Maybe that is why the door was propped, the perp was planning on carrying both children out at once which would make it difficult to open the door and hold it so it didn’t slam shut.
WhyLie@ 8:42am- Thank you, that’s the perfect example of what I was trying to say. LE can arrest you for giving false info but it rarely gets prosecutor, for whatever reason!
In Couey’s case, Jessica Lunsford could have been saved, Couey’s family should have spent time in prison. jmo
JenM – I hope your friend is reunited with her family soon! I understand your point! I investigated Elder abuse in our County and sat on an Elder Death Review Team with other agencies as well as various law inforcement agencies and Assistant DAs from our county. I saw people prosecutor for obstruction because of lies that were told. In some cases where persons lied they weren’t prosecuted and the only difference between them and the ones who were prosecuted was did they really understand the consequences! Most were uneducated young people but many were from other countries who said it was different in their country. The DA’a office didn’t want to prosecute cases they had no chance of winning. The educated people should have known better so they were prosecuted for obstruction,some were found guilty and some were acquitted! I think it depends on what the DA is willing to spend their time on!
Thanks AlexL. I think Elder abuse is just as bad as any kind of abuse, only it doesn’t seem to get the same attention at child abuse. I’m glad that some of those folks got prosecuted.
That’s amazing that people who live and work here in the US can claim ignorance of the law and get away with it. As far as working with the elderly (i.e. home care, NH, LTC), I always think that if you are smart enough to make a resume, fill out an application and pass an interview, and make it through orientation (which includes policy and procedures), then you should know what is ok and what is not.
Others have to pass citizenship to live here and I would think that they know right from wrong too, when they are abusing their family members, etc.. No excuse if you ask me.
It is so ‘under reported’.
WhyLie, if I went with the theory that Haleigh was taken by the ‘other side’ of the family, I would think that Haleigh was taken first, then handed off to someone outside the back ramp, then when the person went back in to get Junior, that is when Misty woke up. That ruined the plan. That then leads me to Crystal’s anger to get Jr. by making up stuff about Ron to make him look bad.
But, if it was a perp or a pedo, then I think that they just wanted Haleigh.
Mostly, I really do wonder if Haleigh did not dissapear in the later daytime hours, right after dinner time?
I think Tommy was messed up and still looking for his pills. He went to find some with Joe in the van. They went to the woods (Misty saw them leave), she passed out, they got high on Meth, brought back some scum guy(s) from the woods who had pills. Tommy and Joe had no money, so they said they would trade a gun for the pills. They knocked on the door, Misty let them in. Joe was looking for the gun, couldn’t find it, so the guy took Haleigh. Misty is totally out of it. She thinks she sees the guy(s) leaning over Haleigh, but thinks its a dream. Maybe the squeaking on the couch info could be the guy(s) raping Joe? Maybe that’s why he is so freaked out? The guy(s) threatened their lives! The guy(s) made Joe drive them back through the woods with Haleigh. They threatened Tommy as they left out the window of the van. So I am thinking here that maybe Tommy (being so high)remembers Joe being in the van with Haleigh, and that is where his story comes from. He is too chicken sh… to rat this guy(s) out, either out of fear of what they or Ron will do to him.
Tommy stays there, the lights still on in the MH, he has to make it look like an abduction. He props the back door open (like he does in all of his burgalaries) and splits home. He gets there and him and Lyndsy argue about him being out all night. The dog goes crazy barking. The cops are called to their address.
Meanwhile, Joe doesn’t know his way back out of the woods. He scratches the van and there are bushes stuck in the headlights. He parks it in a different place at Timmys and passes out in his clothes.
Misty wakes up (for whatever reason) and she notices the kitchen light on. She goes that direction and needs to use the bathroom. She notices the back door wide open and Haleigh gone. The last she remembers is that Tommy and Joe were there and they were f’d up. She remembers her ‘dream’ somewhat and possibly some squeaking? She calls Tommy’s house to see if he is home. Lyndsy says ?. She calls Timmy’s and asks if Joe is home. Timmy said no.
Logical deduction for Misty is that ‘it is possibly Joe who took Haleigh’, but then again, she knows and says that ‘the back door is set up with a brick just like Tommy does in his burgarlaries’. Hmmmm, who to believe?
Tommy figures Misty doesn’t remember, and he really can’t remember either, so heck, could of been Joe. So they go with that story. Only cops say that Joe is ruled out.
So, Misty now doesn’t know what to think, except hmmm, maybe it was an abduction? Look at the other side of the family.
Tommy tries hard to convince Lyndsy (and us) on the jail phone that he ‘knows what he is doing when he is high on pills’. “The truth is in the lie”. Maybe he does think he knows what he is doing when high on the pills, but what does that have to do with being high on Meth??
So, Tommy is freaking out, thinking that maybe he did something to Haleigh and that he doesn’t remember. So, he isn’t going down for it, which makes him first try to trick Misty into making it out to be Ron and that doesn’t work, so he blames Joe even more. He says that he remembers Joe telling a story about being able get away with killing someone if you put them in the river for the alligators to have.
LE, in their brilliance and glory, take that and run with it. They make it more than what it is. But they fail miserably.
Lyndsy finds out the rest of what Joe told LE and wants a divorce. She now knows he was involved with this. Maybe she gets immunity for telling the truth about what she knows about that night, about him not being home like she first said?
Maybe LE now has the story I just told above, so they move him from where he is for his own protection. He has decided to rat out these guys. He doesn’t know their names or who they are.
(Tommy convinces Lyndsy that he lied to protect her and the kids).
(Ron is fed up with Misty and Tommy and all the BS, so he is throwing them under the bus on the drug deals).
(Misty is pissed that Ron turned his back on her, since she really doesn’t know anything).
LE goes silent. They want no more talk from the trio or their families. They are going to find out who did this. Let’s pray they do, and SOON.
That’s my theory, and it fits for me. Explains everyone’s actions.
JenM- I live in California & am retired now but there are many jobs here that you don’t have to fill out any form to get the job. The employer does what’s necessary. The sad part is a lot of these jobs are in the eldercare field. People who can’t read or don’t understand and yet we allow them to take care of those so precious to us. One case I had was two men who thought it was funny to turn the oxygen on & off of a developmental disabled young man. He died as a result. The DA didn’t think they could get a conviction, licensing was working at bringing charges against the owners of the facility, the coroner declared it a homicide. Everytime CCL went to check if these workers were there, they would take off out the back door. On a combined visit with CCL(Community Care Lic) I went to the front and Lana to the back. They ran right into Lana’s arms, now CCL could close the facilty, or at least that’s what we thought. The two guys were deported to the Phillipines, the owner was banned from ever owning a facilty or working in one in the State of CA. But she was able to keep the building while selling the business to her sister. Now she could legally be on the premises as the landlord. Aren’t loopholes great?
Wow, crazy indeed. I read last week where a couple, ‘high on methamphetamines’, tried to sell their 6 month old baby for $25.00. They reportedly needed the money for drugs. Once the guy got to jail, the inmates read about him in the newspaper and he was hospitalized. Why? Because the inmates read about him in the news and taught him a lessn, broke his ribs, etc.
This is why I think Tommy used bad judgment when getting his fix for drugs. I thin he either let someone take Haleigh or he pawned her off to someone in his ‘high’ state of mind.
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