Thanks Simon! Any chance of getting those jailhouse tapes you promised a few weeks back… always good entertainment when the case has gone quiet. We have ALL been chomping at the bit for them and you would be the only one to have them! Can ya? Please please?

“One thing is clear, handing down a 15 year sentence to Hope Sykes, who most view as a ‘bit player’ in the drug story must have the rest of the gang having fits.” really hope so simon.

can someone answer a question on tommy’s charges??? what is the 3 years tommy is looking at. is that on the drug charge or the b&e charge?

ms.peridot19 said,
in April 30th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

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ms. peridot,

Tommy currently has four outstanding charges.

1. 9/14/09 – Grand Theft (the gun he stole from the blind man that was a former neighbor of his parents) Next Court date is 5/13

2. 11/6/2009 – POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE (When he was passed out at the bus stop with drugs in the car. He used to also have a POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA charge too, but that was dropped) Next court date is also 5/13

3. 1/21/2010 – Trafficking (We all are aware of this charge). Next Court date is 5/13

4. 1/22/2010 – BURGLARY OF DWELLING (That was the burglary that Misty made LE aware of when she was interviewed in jail) No Court date listed.

wow, thank you j! i was trying to understand what charge jim werter was talking about on nancy grace. i think the 3yr minimum is for the trafficking charge. and if i understand mr. werter he does not have all the evidence yet? i was surprised to hear that. wonder what other charge mr. werter is waiting for disclosure on too?

“I believe my minimum mandatory that I`m looking at is three years. I have not gotten full disclosure yet from the state as far as the evidence. There`s still another count out there that I`m waiting for disclosure on”

I want to stop something before it starts. The document is one that I wrote, and various others have contributed to. For a variety of reasons, not everyone is willing or able to to put their name on it.

It is a discussion about the timeline.There is much to be learned if you know where to look.

So no, this is no BOMBSHELL. It is just the result of a long conference call with some folks I know.

simon the “able” part is interesting. i wonder who is talking to you. well, we have to respect they have their reasons. i take it, you are not going to tell us where to look! hmmmm? some of us, need lots of help! darn it!
truly, i think le is making headway. so i will be one who has to patiently wait.

simon, may i add, i thought lfj did a very interesting time line recently. i wonder if she sees this if she would re post that here.

Just thinking, but wonder if it is possible that when Tommy was taking the lie detector test he ‘passed’ on some questions that surprised even himself – while failing others. Maybe he is just stringing this story together from the questions he ‘passed”

Hi Ms.P… don’t know… lets try.

Pretty Please!

hello pezzu, wow, what a thougt! i reallly hope that is not the case! well, unless it is becasue he does not remember from drug use.

did you see tobias pointed out how le can find out facts from the questions that are answered falsely. so basically if it is a very well designed test they could really learn alot even if the person is not telling the truth!

JillF said,in April 30th, 2010 at 6:19 pm Thanks for clearing that up Simon – I would like to read the document.

Maybe this has been covered (I try to read everything before I post) but…How was Ronald allowed in court with Hope? Can anyone just request a witness and then they are allowed to go to court? It just seems strange to me. Who pays for that? Having a prisoner as a witness requires security, transportation, etc…

Oh well – if someone knows and can answer this, I would appreciate it. Thanks!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
he was paraded in front of the cameras by LE to get maximum exposure for hope’s sentencing..
it was to send a MESSAGE!

Thank you Simon!

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And to the person at IS that stole my post above (5:41 pm) with Tommy’s court/outstanding charge information, you should give credit when stealing people’s posts (copying and pasting) and using them as your own on another board.

I thought there was to be an arrest in two weeks..I am waiting for it! This case is complex to say the least, but with all the evidence LE is claiming they have, why hasn’t someone been charged? Maybe because that was a fabrication of the truth. I believe by focusing on these people early on and to the exclusion of anyone else, they have no IDEA what happened, who is responsible, and where it happened, contrary to what other people claim. I know that they have invested fourteen months, but a couple weeks back they classed this as a “homocide” case and said arrests would be forthcoming. I thought they were onto something this time, not pandering to the media pressure, and yet once again I believe that is exactly what happened. I give LE the benefit of the doubt, but I would like to point out that I would examine the stranger abduction theory a little more closely. They haven’t charged anyone with a crime..what could it hurt? These people are not going anywhere anytime soon with these outrageous sentences as well as exorbitant fines hanging over their heads. I say to LE “Investigate instead of Intimidate”.
**Prayers for Haleigh**

j, thank you for your opinion. i can wait, however long it takes to get the right party(ies) and for the conviction. i agree.

I think I heard art harris say tha tommy made bail. What a waste of $5k. He’s going back, soon.

Tommy out: Maybe that was earlier. NG’s bombshells always throw me off at first.

thank you cent! i know you know more about legal cases than i do.

good night everyone.

Oh,I see now,lol sorry I was gonna say OMG

GRRRR sorry I didn’t mean to pierce your eardrums,lol forgot as always!

With no body and all of the inconsistent stories since 02/09, PCSD will surely submit all evidence and findings to a grand jury and that could take a very long time.
This bunch is facing long jail sentences on their drug charges so PCSD has plenty of time for HaLeigh’s investigation. PCSD still believe that Misty is the key and she isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
PCSD haven’t released any jail tapes for quite awhile, have they? They sure are keeping everything very quiet and close.

Jose Baez said that one of His reasons for wanting the case moved to Miami is because this sort of case would be just one of many of the same sort of thing. Does that make it any less horrid? So again it is clear that he is not after Justice, just clearing his client. And in no way shape or form any sort of Justice for Caylee.

OK, someone got the message wrong. I do not have much love for Art Harris, but he absolutely did not say that Tommy made bail. The chances of Tommy making bail is right up there with Michael Jackson making a comeback!

((Hey, Cathy))

I didn’t get to watch NG tonight.. Anything new ?

What did Art say?

Ohhh! OOhh! (Waves hand around above head)

I wanna see the timeline discussion, ….pretty please..LOL!

Okay time for me to through another Monkey wrench in all the other wrenches.

Ughh, i listened to the hypnosis tape again and I think she’s telling the truth.
I know i’ve heard she failed LDT’s but to me she seems like she is telling what she remembers as she remembers it. I ususally sense deception and for some reason I wasn’t getting any. What if LE got it all wrong and someone did come in and took Haleigh. What if they are pressuring her to tell the truth, and that was the truth. What if that’s why Ronald and TN believed her. Now they all feel obligated to say something that didn’t occur and it’s pizzing them all off. What if that explains all the lies coming from all ends. What if they feel they have to lie and that’s why nothing is jiving.

JillF….I’ll pull a map of the courthouse & jail from google for you. To see distance as I don’t know either…WHere’s EllFlorida when we need her? lol.

BRB

Well, there it is…sort of…

It’s about 4 blocks away from jail. A quickie transport.

JillF:
Ron was supposed to speak on behalf of his cousin in her trial, but they never called him. That was why he was in court that day.

I remember last week you told us someone was gong to LE and the next mornng to pick up the videos,,,,,then nothng else was said…..WHY do you tell us you are getting the videos and then NOTHING ????????????????? Where are the latest videos,,,please….this case goes on and on and on and on,,,,,,,atleast LE is making the videos available to the public,,,,,why do you drop the ball and not follow thru when you say,,,we would have the vids…….

OJ

I think i have run the gambit on theories, and questions. Trying to put everything we hear into perspective seems a herculean effort. My biggest question all along was why did Ronald and TN stick by Misty. That question arose from the info we’ve been told about the LDT’s. The inconsistencies about Misty’s story i am now wondering how inconsistent they really are. The girl doesn’t seem to comprehend questions that well and maybe that’s why her answers don’t seem clear and concise. I am trying to keep an open mind. What if Misty is just too convoluted in her thought process to pass a LDT? If she had been telling the truth from day one it would explain a lot of the other questionable behaviors. This is just another possibility in my ledger of theories. I mean the back door could have been unlocked by the AC man during his doing whatever, and someone could have slipped in there. The kitchen light could have been turned on by Jr. when he left the bedroom per Misty when she was falling asleep.

O.J.:

You could be right about Ronald being paraded. Do you think Tommy will get a lot longer sentence than 3 yrs. I don’t see how Hope could get 15 and Tommy get 3 yrs. Tommy has 4 charges against him. If he has made a deal, is he trying to say he lied again?

I remember real early on in this case a neighbor said they saw Tommy at the MH that night.

I was so disgusted and mad when I heard Tommy had changed his story, again. If AH is telling it right on NG, LE is sticking to the timeline that Tommy came by there about 10:00p.m. that night. Like Simon said LE has gone real quiet again, so I wonder what is coming.

If AH is right, Lyndsay is saying she doesn’t know what to believe, now. I believe, Tommy left the kids alone, asleep and went to the MH. He may have been back home when Lyndsay got there at 10:15p.m. or 10:30p.m. I have never believed that Tommy was in bed with Lyndsay, all night, because there was an officer there about 2:15a.m. Then they got the call that Haleigh was missing around 4:00a.m. That sounds like a very hacked up night of sleeping, to me. I just don’t buy that story.

Another thing, the statements about Tommy walking the streets at night and his B&E’s, show that Lyndsay was accustomed to Tommy’s disappearances at night.

@SouthernVagirl sheesh give BNN a break they bring us a lot of news and information that we may not never have heard. Why get your panties in a wad over video’s, from what I have heard these video’s are hours and hours long you just cannot upload them onto any service and make them work effectively they have to be resized and cut down to work properly for most computers if not all computers. Simon, Jan, TJ, Cobra and all others have worked long hours on this case and it is only fair we give them the time needed to process the info. Haleigh Cummings is not the only story they cover if you look in the daily logs they have a wide range of other obligations to cover as well and do this alone so please show some respect and patience sheesh! Keep up the good work Gang!!!!

just for PRETEND here.. ( thats a big PRETEND).. let’s say MISTY really doesn’t know what happened ,, she was really passed out and clueless and someone got in.

.. what then would be the proposed ENTRY and what would be the EXIT…

this is not a facetious question either. Seriously, spaeking.

did someone enter through another window and only exit the side door?… or… did the person entering have a key (possibly one sitting on a counter on a set at another MH ,for example)…did the lock simply get opened with a tool of some sort?

.. i (thought) LE said said the lock did not look tampered with ( a vid with hank i beleive? ) They also made note they thought it was NOT a stranger abduction based on that. anyones opinion on how the lock was opened pretending that MC actually doesn’t know and was sleeping

they say they locked ir b4 he left for work. Were they simply mistaken. or maybe tc or jo used the door unknowingly for a few minutes while over there stumbling drunk and misty didn’t realize and a SO later got in through the unlocked door after they saw everyone leave…possibly scoping the MH for low activity.

this is a pretend scenario to completely remove doubt or strengthen the case against. valuable opinions only since it is merely a pretend scenario that 99% of bloggers here do not agree with. Pass over if not interested in discussing.

past midnight on a friday night… i think i’m the only one not at the bar partying… ok , i have no life , so what.LOL. I think another Scoob scene is due today.. Ok maybe not. Too Hinky !
… chirp…chirp…. ( crickets )

something 7, who says the front door was locked?

front door locked: Misty’s word only ( have they even mentioned her response toi front door being locked? ). She would easliy be forgetful enough to leave the door unlocked. Light on in kitchen.. closer to front door. Did the front door seem tampered with if in fact she did lock it. Did she ever mention that she knows as fact she locked the door? was the porch screen door locked too or usually left open. Didn’t Ron notice the side door open as he drove up? Is the driveway far enough to other side of trailer not to notice this ?

Misty has mentioned alot of things that she knew as fact and then changed her things that she knew to new facts. She does that alot and is still doing it. Go figure.

i know the blue cooler was a mislead by NG but the EXIT was obviously out the side so what would prompt someone to prop the door whether entering by front door or through the same sidedoor ? Could she possibly have been put in a similar type container and carried by two guys with a cooler in their grasp, so they wouldn’t look suspicious. As if they were just carrying out some beer. Were there any empty coolers found in the dumpster search? What exactly did dogs hit on? A cooler would be an easy item to bring to a lake and dispose of later in a dumpster. Maybe haleigh never actually was ever near a dumpster, but only a similar container was dumped in there later to get rid of. Could that be why dogs hot on the dumpster but she was not found?

This is taking too long to refresh!! I will see you all tomorrow… GoodNight!

Something 7:

I think the whole purpose of not putting HC in a container was so the alligators would get her body and destroy any evidence or proof of a crime.

Good nite Cent.

Maryd:
That gun plays into all of this or RC wouldn’t have told the press a bald-faced lie about the fight with JO. I think the drug trade and the illegal gun played heavilly into what happened to HC. IMO JO could have been working for someone else selling drugs, and RC went back on delivering the gun for payment of debt. That may have been why JO was so bent on revenge. I think he will be tied into all of this before this is over. I don’t think JO would be so upset at being pointed at by his family, if he weren’t involved in some way. This is just a thought.

Karon,
Thanks for responding. I think it could be a good possibility about joe. Tommy could have left the back door unlocked for him to come and get the gun later that night, and Haleigh woke up. In one way or another he silenced her. This of course is speculation.

Think I’m going nitey nite. Nite all.

Maryd, good synopsis. Totally Plausible.

… one thing we know is Haleigh is missing… to get a girl out of there stealthily without someone hearing or waking up( pretending thats true) would require her to be lifeless alrready or subdued. Is it possible ETHER was used to get her out of the MH by an SO…

Casey ‘supposedly’ used Chloroform !

If this were done by a SO, why would this family be lying so much and blaming each other? They would be saying the same thing over and over again, if it were the truth they were telling. The truth is much easier to remember than a lie. I think that is one reason, LE said this was not done by a stranger to the family. LE probably knew after MC and RC had changed their stories a couple of times that they weren’t telling the truth.

I listened to some of the first interviews, this week, and they both were changing the facts to their stories early on.

The thing that amazes me is that someone hasn’t come out with the whole truth, yet. I think MC will, now, that RC is being kept away from her.

Thanks Something7,

Ok was about to sleep and another thought came to mind. What if? Joe was looking for the gun and Haleigh woke up and he wrapped her shirt around her face to quiet her quickly. She passed out he pulled the shirt off of her and threw it on the floor on the way out. He took her with him. So now Tommy would feel guilty for leaving the door open for him. Misty would be afraid maybe her brother had something to do with it. And Joe is the real perp. Tommy just suspects where he may have disposed of her.

K back to sleep.

I don’t believe ether or chloroform was used. Drugs were just too handy and people around HC were accustomed to using them. The only way I would think ether or chloroform was used would be if MC sold HC to someone. I believe if it were JO or TC, HC knew them, and she would have gone with them, if they gave her the right story. I do think it may have been a possibility that MC drugged HC that night, and she accidentally overdosed her. MC had trouble getting HC to bed at night, and she was tired that night. HC could have gotten hold of some drugs that were laying around the house, also.

Crystal’s dad said RC had bricks of marijuana laying around the house and, now, Chelsea said pills ere laying around the house.

Ethere or Chloroform just doesn’t fit with these people’s thinking, IMO.

Chromedaffs:
I did notice Hope saying that. It caught my attention. I just didn’t know what to make of it, and I wonder if it had something to do with HC. If she believes that is the whole reason she got in trouble, that fits.

It could fit with Simon saying that this case is much more far-reaching than we may know.

Karon,ETHER was on the SO theory only ( as if they brought it along purposely) in the pretend scenario I wrote to get another blogger to give their opinion other than just saying’ LE is corrupt. misty’s being tortured.

i wanted to get an actual opinion of WHY they think misty is innocent and offer up some scenarios but they left.

I personally think it was an Od , myself but I’m thinkinbg maryd may have a scenario that seems likely plausible. It was my second favorite theory but i think maryd made me see it as my number one now with the added explanation of the pink shirt included. I’m leaning that way now. .. but the OD theory is still lingering to me also

Her statements could mean something, but I think she’ more likely a complete ignoramous and doesn’t even realize what she’s saying other than to ‘act’ like a hard a$$ B$%CH ! until we saw her crying of course!

HGM:
The only reason why RC would lie to cover for that fight with JO over the gun was it was an illegal weapon. RC couldn’t admit to having an illegal gun, and I think he, also, was into a drug deal with JO. IMO.

Didn’t RC say on those last Cobra tapes that he was scared of JO? Somehow, JO put the fear into RC, and RC isn’t afraid of very much. I am very curious why JO was so afraid of JO. I think that might give us alot of answers in this case.

Hey Karon;

I think the Ron “I’m scared” statements were about him being “scared” of what JO had done to Haleigh (if JO really did anything)….The gap between the “I’d crush his hands” statement and the “I’m scared” statement were to close together for anything to have changed that much, IMO. THose both stated within days of each other…

The gun that JO “stole” was impounded by FDLE per Ron on that same tape. So if he was going to turn it over to LE right away, why lie about it being stolen or the “fight” about it? Maybe because for JO to have stolen it to begin with it had to be out and easily taken, not locked up like it should have been….just a thought.

Maybe MC and RC wanted HC to be found, or giving some true facts in with false facts. Remember how MC said: “why would I have pointed the pink shirt out to the police, if I had something to do with it?” If HC was found at one of the places they had named, they may have thought they could say, ‘why would I have named the place, if I had something to do with it?’

Is that the reason the pink shirt was found?

Yes. HGM, makes perfect sense except they were trafficking pills and probably guns too and is why he didn’t tell LE. because he would have to admit to LE that he was a pill pusher. Maybe even dealing in guns.. possibly higher caliber type guns ans fully automatic who knows.Did LE ever mention the type of gun they took in possesion?

God point(s) there Karon….

Plausible denieablity? It could be true.

Also, if JO and/or Tommy did that to Haleigh, why would they remove her shirt and then put it in the dirty clothes pile? You would think it would have just been cast aside somewhere in the MH or taken with him/them. Why did it take days to find? Wasn’t there something like 5 days before the shirt issue came up? Wouldn’t LE have found it thee that first morning if it had been in the dirty clothes pile or ANYWHERE within that MH?

HGM:
Was the gun turned over early on, or was the gun turned over after TM reported RC for having put the gun in his mouth in front of Jr? Was that the same gun? Did they hide that illegal gun out until LE had searched the place for HC? Was that what that was all about?

Also, I wondered if RC was afraid of JO from the start and that may have been the real reason for wanting to smash JO’s hands. He would be less of a threat to RC with smashed hands.

I noticed something else on those tapes, RC was concerned about LE finding that gun on ToC’s property. He seemed protective of ToC at that time. Later on things turned sour between RC and ToC.

referring to the statments by HS in the audio, I think she was referring to being ahead of the game and ppl picking up their ‘steps’ in reference to them talking about Ron testifying to her being sweet and innocent(NOT) at trial. her mom said he MIGHT be there and she retorted back that she already KNEW he would be there and that they were 10 steps ahead of the game (on that issue). From the audio she clearly has no clue what the difference between Not guilty( going to trial) and NO CONTEST ( not contesting it ) really means! Apparently there was backseat video that wasn’t shown but showed her with pills in the backseat and since youth offender was not available to her then NO CONTEST was all she could do. I dont think the ‘picking up their steps comment meant anything to do with haleigh.

Tallent

nevermind I know

I wonder if they are really convinced they will spend a lot of time in prison. And even in prison they might not be safe.

The bosses in these drug dealings are some very nasty people indeed. They go about their business unscathed; LE cannot keep up because these people are cloaked by so many layers of other players. LE gets only the bottom players; the big fish are rarely caught. And if they are, they don’t snitch.

I just can’t imagine this being a situation where Haleigh was harmed by Misty, Tommy, Joe, or anyone at that level…and Ron not finding out about it and taking care of business himself. I do believe he loved Haleigh, and he would not let this go unpunished. The only scenario in which I might believe such low-level players are responsible is if Ron himself killed Haleigh. And that would have to have been unintentional–perhaps discipline gone wrong, Haleigh is fine when he leaves for work but takes a turn for the worse later on.

I think Misty would cover for Ron in that scenario. I do not think Tommy or Joe or Timmy or whoever…would cover for Ron in that scenario.

It’s just unfathomable that Misty would sit by and allow Joe and Tommy to do what Granny Flo has described. I just can’t see it. I mean, even if that happened and she was paralyzed with fear at the time, wouldn’t she come clean about it to LE as soon as Joe was out of town? And she went to TN for a visit…seems to me she would not do that if she feared Joe.

JMO.

karon;

I agree about the cleaning up issue….WOndering why clean up to protect JO and/or Tommy? COuld she really have been that frightened of him/them? I have a hard time thinking that JO or even Tommy, for that matter could have scared her that much. I mean Haleigh was already missing and the whole country stood up to take notice, could she really believe that they would get away with another murder or murders to make good on his/their threat? It’s just not logical.

I thought at one point M said that she knew they were coming to steal the gun. Does anyone else remember this? I think she knew something was going to happen that night and that is why she did not want to babysit. imo

Hope:
I think MC did say that.

Something 7:
There was alot of fear in TN about JR being taken, at first.

When RC was arrested DCF and CS had a secret meeting, and they got Jr. out of there right away. Things usually take a little time. Maybe, there was fear that Jr. would be left too vulnerable with only GGSykes to protect him. If anyone wanted to send RC a message to stay quiet, Jr. could be the next child taken.

HGM, if the pink shirt was tossed on top of thepile while quickly leaving it would have been found much quicker, as you said. not in the middle of the pile in a basket.

the story about four dark shadowy figures standing above her and her keeping quiet is stating to sound more easonable if you accept that drug debts to a crime family may have caused this… but then again why the bricked door.. they would just make there way in and leave unless they forced her to put everything the way it was and told her to give her bf a message that he better not say a word or others could be taken or that he might not see her alive again, Reason they seem to cover for each other.

Wow interesting theories being brought up and nipped also. See y’all Sunday !

OK…sorry to pipe in with that theory of mine. It is not my main theory but one I have never completely discounted. It was bottom of list for awhile but now with the sensational stories coming out of Granny Flo, I have put this theory higher on my list.

It’s just not computing with me that any of the Granny Flo rants can be what really happened. I believe she was told those thing and is not making them up…but Ron could not be so blind as to not have seen through Misty, and his behavior from very early on spoke volumes about his not wanting the investigation to go where it should have gone.

The big question is WHY would he do that? It has to be that he knows the answer would get him into a heap of trouble. And not just with LE.

Cathartic:
I think we always come back to that, not only with RC, but a number of people.

Karon – I wish I had come to the computer at the beginning of this because I was just watching NG then.I missed all of those discussions.

Cathartic – I agree and maybe not only him in a heap of trouble but also Jr. IMO

True about Jr being in trouble, as far as DCFS but why would he keep silent about Haleigh being stolen by a vendetta type deal and then keep Jr in harms way? What would stop them from comming for Jr any night of the week?

I like the thoughts about people with guns and stature. Very true. I don’t see JO as being that big a “gansta” though. Wanna-be…absolutely but without some type of violent history or previous charges, what would make Ron so afraid of him? A gun? Did Ron fear that JO would come back from TN and kill him? or Jr? Misty? ….Really??? Didn’t Ron have a few guns of his own to protect himself & them with? Why be afraid of JO’s gun?

Something 7:

I believe JO is a very troubled young man. I think GMA Flo is telling that right.

Maybe, RC was warned (not by JO) to keep his mouth shut because next it would be Jr.

Wow, this got crazy long, please remove if it is obnoxious, I will put this on my blog – click my name, and you can delete my ramblings if that would be better. I really got on a roll, so sorry for length, but here it goes:

Okay, so has LE said for sure the home was where she passed away? God bless her and keep her…
Because since we are brain storming, wouldn’t the dogs have hit on the house if it happened there? Even if they immediately removed her, they would not have had time to keep the smell the dogs hit on, from occurring imo, there would have been scrambling, calls made and a plan crafted, then she would have been moved. Plenty of time for the scent to be left for the dogs. right?

So, if there was a cleaning job, looks like Tommy found the supplies?? But, would that have covered it up? I am not an expert in the least on the dog abilities. If it was enough to cover it up, did LE keep their trash from then and maybe keep searching it or confiscating it, lots of leads from one’s trash.

With the light on in regards to the drug involvement, we see who is involved, Hope and all, so that leads one to believe she could have been hanging around that night also. That night could have been Misty’s night to “make up” to Ron by helping him with a drug deal. If you have any experience around someone involved in drugs, or watch true crime stories, you know the dealers have beepers and phones ringing off the hook. They often have many cell phones and so on. (Does LE have ALL the phone numbers? Was the drug sting done to get those numbers shook out of them so they could check into the calls made?)

Scenario – The phone is ringing… Misty and Ron and Hope and the gang are planning a big meet up with some dealers or buyers. This is a big deal and Ron may have a stand-in or cover at his place of employment who uses his “good” phone to ping for alabi, or to check in with a code (ring so many times means something, like get back to work, boss is coming, or calling to notify/verify drug commitments, etc.) Could his mom be the cover, as her presence at his work may not throw off co-workers as much and might explain her expedited presence and her LE jacket, which could have been to back the drug deal that night as part of a bigger plan they originally had for the evening.
(Maybe they were planning to have her come in at some point with it on to fake out the other dealers to make them run and nab their dope or something crazy like that – cheesy, but just a thought, so she is calling to check on when to arrive and they will answer when the time is right or something…)
Then while Ron ducks out of work unbeknownst (sp?)to his employer to make the
{“drug run” or the fake sting, or the drug trade/sale, or the set up to rip off a dealer/buyer…}
Mom helps by making those calls, and Misty is waiting for Ron with Hope and maybe Tommy and Joe and some others are in on it too.

The van was used.

Everyone admits the van was used that night, but no one wants to touch the van. No one wants to say they may have even moved it. Suspicious.

So, continuing on… they pile in the van
(which gained scratches, that I hope were analyzed excruciatingly), then either everyone goes including the kids – or they are left or one is left, alone – or – with someone:

{either one was sleeping and left home alone due to being asleep and thus “wouldn’t notice” they were gone, or both were going to be left, but one woke up and they couldn’t get that one to sleep or couldn’t wait to even try. Another reason would be Misty did stay home that night and would watch the sleeping child, but was to beat to watch the other who would not sleep, so Ron and the gang took her with them.} This would also validate Misty saying she was asleep and when she woke up she was gone.

The splitting up makes sense considering only one ended up missing, however unless it was selective harm, which would take some consideration and lean to someone close to them or who had been watching to know she lived there, or someone who has interest solely in her for any reason. This can include and exclude many depending on the theory obviously. But, it makes sense in some theories that they could have been separated that night.

Left alone:
One obvious theory is the one left was taken by the person they were left with, or an intruder, if left alone. Or, the one that was left ended up actually being the safest. (Misty could have been the one there with the one who was left alone, sleeping, after all the deals and scams were set up and everyone headed out.)

So, the van trip, (which Misty acknowledges in her interview on the couch or whatever awhile back, – you guys brought to my attention the other day), well it coincides with the “moved van” stories and validates she at least knew people used the van, even if she was not in it the whole time.

Now they head out to meet up with the dealer or buyer and still have one child along. This could be either, first theory – HaLeigh is with them and the deal: (Supported by dog scent leading to the road or other places not in the home.)

It goes sour or she is used as part of the trade in some way, an accident occurs. The possibilities are endless here really but you can imagine what could have happened. This would include her getting into the drugs at the location of the deal while attention was being made on the money and the deal, etc. and she got curious or tried to be like the adults.

This would also include them using what was on hand (drugs) to quiet her so they could leave her in the van to make the run “easier”, it could have even been with intent to keep her safe from the drug deal, or while they partied with the dealer/buyers (which could be backed by nay nay’s letter a long time ago about a party and her being thrown into a river). This goes wrong, terribly, and so, having her in the van (or some other person’s vehicle from the party) at this point, they go to the house and get some bricks and rope, etc., and used the rope and bricks while in the car, to not bring evidence into THEIR homes, and you know the rest by where LE was searching.

This could explain the back door issue if Misty WAS really asleep, they used the same bricks on their mind as they frantically looked for “what to grab to fix the situation”, as what they were propping the door open with. Remember, the door that slams hard once open and they knew it, so propping it open while they frantically grabbed supplies to clean up and dispose of evidence, would not WAKE her and jr. up.

Then, Someone throws something in the dumpster that touched HaLaigh. Not sure what, but they did because the dogs hit there, or she was there and as they got frantic, the decide that would be the first place the LE would look, so she is moved and as they run in and out of the house, they think of the bricks they have propping the door open and decide to use them.

Also, this would nearly prove Ron was there because of his admission about the door being locked and obviously he doesn’t hand out keys, so he would have had to unlock it initially and he would also know to prop it open to prevent it from slamming shut and making a loud noise. The propping the door open in this scenario could also prove they did it because they knew Misty was asleep and they didn’t want to wake her, which those who would do that would be those who knew she was there asleep and those who knew the door would slam shut loudly, oh, ya and they had a KEY.

Ron and Misty also said they would use that door only for things like “cleaning/detailing out their car” in an interview with Gretta, I believe – so were they? Was that a “tell”?

The door explanation with being propped open etc., also plays true if cleaning out the car from a tragedy during the previous scenario drug run/deal/party, with or without Misty’s knowledge. She could also have been with them all along.

Ron clears his alibi by running back and clocking out of work, then buying beers, etc. this leaves mom close and aware of at least some events, (If and only IF the “Ron leaving work” scenario was true), or all and maybe helps clean up (look at Cindy’s help cleaning up evidence galore, it must be instinctive to clean up after a troubled child, so it would not be out of the realm of possibilities and would explain her odd behavior.) She also could be involved in the drug deal scenario with her LE jacket on for some reason, remember – she in an interview with Nancy, discussed on what Oxycontin tastes like, in way to much detail (“tells” of lying about her story at the time)- proclaiming they don’t have drugs around or whatever, I forget, but to much info., could mean lying about her story, however she let us know she knows what it tastes like. In the way she told, many claim only one who uses it incorrectly would know that. I think it is possible it is innocent though, because even taking it correctly you could taste it if it fell onto your tongue. Different brands have also different coatings. This still gives us the knowledge she has taken them before and COULD be using them.

This tragedy could even have occurred way after the deal goes successfully and they all are celebrating/hiding out at the dock or party pad, with some beers Ron provides,(Check surveillance for him buying beer, oh ya, he already made sure he was on tape.) At this point, she is playing around the dock and slips in the water, or someone pushes her in fun or purposely, as they are all most likely on something, and something terrible happens.

The incident could have happened way before the beer was bought and would make sense as this seemed like Ron’s attempt at an alibi. They then had plenty of time to cover up.

Children services:
Speech avoiding incriminating themselves:
The sleeping in the bed together and distance apart could be explained (IF it has nothing to do with anything) by the fact they have been in trouble by children services before and probably have a case plan which basically would give them limits, rules, guidelines, etc. and would threaten them with loss of custody and such if they did not follow the rules set forth. This could also be another reason for the webbing, this and to prevent testifying against each other and Ron being with a minor. Anyway, this has to be reviewed semi-annually at least in front of the judge depending on how much danger they thought the children were in. I believe that is right though. This would make them fear to say they were in the same bed or that Ron was to heavy handed with them (as per interview by Geraldo), and would seem like a lie about the case, when it was only to cover from further cs investigations which would make them lose jr. and possibly face charges. So, those answers should not distract you imo.

Hope;

I can see that as being a possibility…

I try to put myself in Ron’s position on something like that and I would automatically be thinking…what’s to keep them from taking Jr anytime they want? Even if I kept silent? With 2 kids gone missing Ron would certainly be in the soup…couldn’t keep quiet the second time or he’d def get trial for murder. So how valid could a threat like that be? Why risk it? Why not come clean right away?

Threats to TN or GGMS follow the same reasoning for me. If either of them turned up missing or dead due to odd circumstances, it would be a huge red flag to LE…so would crime boss risk it? Maybe….?

HGM:
We are not setting anything in stone. We are discussing, not saying any one theory is right, or wrong. I will say this, with all of these people, this case has so many angles. I have never seen anything like it. All I can say is drugs and guns seem to be at the center of the tangled up mess. That is all I know.

LE knows more than they are telling, and Tommy’s trip to the river meant something important. If AH is right, LC is beginning to be unsure of Tommy’s part in all this. I don’t think he is a killer, however.

I agree that much of the issues we are trying to discern have to do with hiding info from Child Services in order to keep Jr.

My question then becomes….

Why would Ronald sacrifice Haleigh and hopes of retrieving her only to protect Jr? By staying silent about vengence abduction he willingly allows her murderer to remain free all while the killer may return for JR at any time.

It does make me feel that Ron knew Haleigh’s fate since day 1….no matter what theory we are working on. Even JO & Tommy theory.

cathartic…don’t go silent….it’s been great hearing your thoughts and ideas….Let’s continue.

HGM, I think in order for Ron to go to LE about a revenge kidnapping, he would have to tell them who he suspects, and why.

It’s the *why* that he doesn’t want LE to know about. He knew he could do nothing for Haleigh at that point. He grieved, and he moved on, with a lesson learned.

Oh GAWD here I go on and on with this. OK, I really am done now.

I am turning in before I go to sleep, right here. I enjoyed tossing ideas around with all of you. Good nite. I think we are going to know something soon. That sheriff looked too happy during that search. They found out something valuable, and it wasn’t only based on someone’s word.

Good night everyone.

I had a thought earlier tonight I am going to look into. TOmmy’s LDT was March 26? When did the Palatka memorial bridge search jump off? Prior or post TC LDT? COuld he have sent them to both locations?

Cathartic, I do see your point.

Another thing that came to mind during the transcribing of the audios. When Ron talked to Cobra about turning around twice to see who was following him sounded like Ron would take the offensive should he be in a road rage type of senario…RRII? After what he told Cobra about following whomever had been following him, even if he had to shoot them or get shot….anybody?

RC would be violent and try to get to someone first, before they got to him. I would think.

Karon;

Thank you….I couldn’t remember about those dates. The two seemed so close together and since it’s the same river I had wondered about it.

I think RC had no problems with chasing down someone who had been following him or that he thought posed a threat. Not even with 2 kids in the car/truck.

Could he be paranoid about it due to gangland type activity? If so, why not more fear about demanding to know who it was?

SO many questions…..not enough answers, lol.

I guess the word imminent could be interpreted in different ways, but I think NG needs to read the definition: which is, ‘likely to occur at any moment.’

P.S. Hope Peter Hyatt will be on the show again. I find his knowledge very interesting.

There are only two original premises to base
a theory on. Misty was lying in the beginning or telling the truth and just can’t pass a polygraph.

I’m basing this theory on

Premise 2: Misty was not lying with original story.

She was falling asleep & saw Jr. leaving the room. He turns on kitchen light cause it was dark in the house. Comes back to bed later.

Tommy had left the back door open for Joe to come and get the gun later that night.

Joe comes in propping open the door to exit quietly.

Haleigh wakes up. Joe grabs her and pulls her shirt over her mouth or neck to quiet her.

Shirt comes off he throws it on floor. Or in basket.

Maybe if it’s true jr. saw someone or heard someone with squeaky shoes he wakes up at the end of this and sees Joe leaving with Haleigh.

Maybe Misty wakes up and see’s it or maybe not.

When she wakes up at 3:00 she does freak out cause Haleigh is gone.

So, why if Ron suspects Joe doesn’t he react by doing something?

For one maybe he has hopes he didn’t kill her yet. Two maybe he doesn’t respond cause he doesn’t know for sure that is what happened. Maybe he plans on doing something quietly (throwing out the trash) when he knows more certainly.

Ron likes to put on an innocent front. Geraldo interview comes to mind. He doesn’t do drugs, et. If he were trafficking at the time he would be in a hushed state.

Misty and Joe putting up flyers? Maybe Misty was putting them up and Joe just showed up and started putting them up too.

Maybe the recent stories from Misty, FH & Tommy are them making up scenario’s to pacify LE. Thats why they keep changing.

Maybe the simplest explanation is the accurate one.

Oh and why did Misty hang with Joe in TN? Don’t know for sure that she did, and if she did I have no idea.

Feel free to shoot this down, I am just brain storming other possibilities.

Have a nice day!!

It would appear to me that all the legit reporters on this case give us info drip by drip…Madj, you tell me to be patient,,,,,I have been and I am totally sickened by the liars and the dragging on and on of thgis case…atleast give us the videos to ponder, while LE trys to figure out what happened to Haleigh…Madj, you said Simon and this site doesnt have to give us anything, and they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts,,,,well, they have chosen to report the Haleigh case and they are making money like everyone else on the Haleigh case,,,so I ask again,,,why dont they produce the videos like they told us they were going to?????? I dont need to be talked down too, and I dont need you to tell me how I should feel….period. Just, SIMON dont say you are getting the vids and then make us wait, having to come back here daly, to find them,,,,If you arent going to explain why you arent showing them,,,then why tell us you are going to put them up???

Tommy definitely was said to be at the mh at 5pm per Misty. The a/c guy as well. This time of year it is completely dark at 6pm.
Misty telling the truth in the hypnosis video. I disagree. Misty was not under hypnosis or she would have given the examiner the accountability for the date he asked for Feb 10, 2009; not Feb 9th, 2009. Misty knew good and well what she was doing. She was staying on script.
Do I believe this all had to with guns and drugs. Yes, it is a great possibilty, due to what we know now.
Cathartic and Hope I believe you two are on to something. Do I believe Misty had knowledge that something was going down that night and did not want to be there, very plausible. Misty says in the hypnosis vid. Noone told her they were coming for her meaning Haleigh in this statement. Ron is involved in Haleighs murder due to his life style and yes they all could of been threatened if they opened their mouths that Jr. and other family members lives could be at stake. There is a great possibility these individuals came in and killed Haleigh and left her there to be disposed of by the family( GOD FORBID).
Ms. p, I did see your post about the timeline I had posted prior. Refresh my memory is it the one from about last week? The one I was talking about the rumor that went through Satsuma that caused a major dominoe effect?
Simon and Jan thank you both sooo much for this blog. TJ I hope you are doing well and I am so glad to be hearing you again about this case. I think Peter Hyatt is a very interesting man and his job intrigues me.

Southernvagirl said,
in May 1st, 2010 at 8:53 am …..
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If you can’t understand the words that we are still trying to get those videos then I am sorry for you. Simon has his plate full right now yet he is still working on getting those videos or audio tapes on here for you.

If you are insinuating that Simon is a liar, then YOU are very wrong. He is the most honest person I know and if he didn’t think at the time that he could get those tapes to publish on BNN for demanding people like you, then he would have never said he could.

This case is indeed a very strange one. Nothing seems normal, because it isn’t normal. You don’t know who you can trust and who you can’t. We do our best to give you all the news as we can verify it but sometimes we can’t verify things. You have NO idea how hard it is in this case to get certain items to give the public because everything they give out are usually leaked out when they aren’t suppose to be.

As always we try to respect the people who read our articles and participate in the discussions through the comments but sometimes we are rubbed a bit too far to keep quiet. So with that said I think it is only fair to say to you that if you don’t like what we report or if you consider us liars then why the hell are you still here? No one is forcing you to be here. We appreciate support from our readers but how many times are we suppose to hold back out thoughts of inconsiderate comments like you made above.

Forgive me if I sound harsh but as you can see we try the best we can to make you all happy. Yes we chose to report and follow this case but the one thing we are NOT is liars.

And btw… we DO NOT make a penny for reporting on this case. In fact it is opposite from that because the time we spend on this case takes us away from our job that does pay us. We are not rich retired people that can afford to just report on missing children cases as a hobby. BNN doe not pay us anything but we still try to keep you all up to date with what is going on in the cases. I really resent anyone accusing us of doing this to make money off it. Unlike some reporters we know, NO ONE pays us to cover this story and I am really tired of people like you Southernvagirl accusing us of doing this for the money. How many times do we have to say it before you get it in your head that we are NOT GETTING PAID!

For those of you that have supported us throughout both the Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings cases, we thank you for the bottom of our hearts, but for those that don’t appreciate the hard work Simon and I do, then my advice to you is to just don’t come back in here.

God Bless You All!

Jan Barrett

Ms.Perodot, I sent you a pm. I just wanted to let you know where the post is about the timeline you mentioned and since I am not good at retrieving a post from somewhere else and posting it here you may post it here on this article if you wish to.

JillF – ditto to your 10:12am post.

Jan:
So sorry you had that thrown at you. I’ve only found your site here in the last few weeks and love it. Between you, Simon, Levi, and along with Art’s tid bits here and there, this info keeps those of us that are truely interested in justice for this precious little girl, updated. I know and understand that information in an investigation such as this is very difficult to come by. LE must be very careful not to tip their hand too much or expose too much info. Especially when dealing with the quality of people involved in this investigation.
This site becomes very combative at times and I’ve been verbally chastised for my opinion. I come back tho just for updates and info.
Keep up the great work and enjoy the blog/radio program immensely.
Thanks so much!

JillF, I do not know how to resend a post from another post. That is why I contacted ms. P because she mentioned it on this post. I let her know she could post on this article if she wishes to do so.
You can find it in the archives April 20th, 2010. Article: Some Comments From Tim Miller. It is posted on 4/21/2010 @ 9:02am.

Tuff you are spot on.

You know stillucy, I still do not understand the nebulizer for Haleigh missing. In the back of my mind it says to me that if LE really have decided Haleigh is deceased then she cannot be using it. It could very well be the murder weapon. Teresa Neves is right that Haleigh would not have liked the bitter taste, but if they somehow diluted it to a liquid and dispensed it through the nebulizer Haleigh inhaled the meds. jmo

Here is the post – really interesting: Also, nebulizer theory makes so much sense – so sad.

looking for Justice said,in April 21st, 2010 at 9:02 am You know I think LE may have had early knowledge that Haleigh was already deceased.
In July 2009, a rumor went through Satsuma alledging that Haleigh had overdosed. First she was put in the dumpster and then removed to be put elsewhere. Aug 6th I believe 2009 Misty was suppose to have called Tommy and their parents to come and get her. Ronald and Tommy fought and Ronald went to jail. Misty took a restraining order out on Tommy and then Ron and Misty put the decapitated rat in Tommys mail box per Ronald to Tim Miller and I believe Tim is credible with this info. Soon after on August 17th 2009 PCSO relased a statement that Misty is the Key and that Ronald and Crystal were not suspects in their daughter Haleigh Cummings disappearance. Then came the failed poly, voice stress and hypnosis from Tim Miller. Sept. 21st Tommy tells LE Ron called him and wanted him to go over and check on Misty he could not reach her. Tommy puts himself there at the mh. Ronald said he and Misty had a tiff, nothing big and called Tommy to see if Misty was over there and he did not ask Tommy to go the mh. Putnam Authorities did confirm the call from Ron to Tommy at 9pm. Then we hear about a Joe Pytco and NAY NAY letters alledging a party where Haleigh OD on Oxy Contin and was disposed of by WBG story and the draining of the momndex pond. Misty taking off with Donna Brock, road rage with these two, then the divorce of Ron and Misty and Ron finding out that Donna was an informant and texts Misty warning her of who Donna really was. LE was informed of a possible overdose with Haleigh well before those letters appeared. We already know that it was not Tommy, Misty , or even Ron giving LE this info, so I wonder who it was. I do not think it was coincidental as it being Haleigh was overdosed and it lead to her death. JMO

Jan, I did not call you or Simon liars,,,I was talking about all the players in this case…I do appreciate all that yall do, but would love to see and listen to the vids…I asked the queston last week and no one would answer…I am frustrated and want Haleigh found….

This is where I have my first problem looking back……..
PCSO declared this was an abduction from the beginning and has not redacted that statement.

PCSO then declared within days that it was not a stranger that abducted HaLeigh and have maintained that theory and focus for 15 months.

PCSO stated that they believed HaLeigh was alive and hidden, months into the investigation.

PCSO has now stated that they have not found HaLeigh nor have they confirmed that they recovered evidence from the river or any where else for that matter,but feel confident in calling it a homicide.

Now this is also what makes no sense to me with the above out line; I have to ask what evidence did they find since day one to present that would of directed the investigation in this direction for 15 months if none of that evidence has led them to a suspect? Even after a massive search in the St. Johns river and “eyewitness statements” we still see no POIs named or even a suspect.

From the beginning PCSO has stated that the families where cooperating and did not seek legal council for the first month.

The Croslins have been the preferred focus and have been picked apart to the point I do not believe they are responsible for HaLeighs abduction (JMO) or know for certain who, how or where HaLeigh is (JMO).
IMO the fact that LE took Tommy serious based on a LTD and discussion with CS’s PI indicates to me that all the BS was again a theory being ruled in or out that would involve Jo.
Tommy is innocent, but, knows something? Right. All of sudden LE is taking the Croslins word because it is being collaborated by CS’s PI?
Misty is not guilty of anything but child endangerment based on Steven K Brown investigation?
Is it just me or is this seem like Ground hog day to anyone else?
On to everyone else…..

Crystal was the first to Lawyer up after Kim P. showed up in Satsuma the evening of March 11 and I will remind us all that Misty stated march 16th “Lawyers are for guilty people, I have nothing to hide,”. Someone must of finally told here you are guilty until you can prove you are innocent and she retained an attorney. Ron soon had no choice in the matter if he was going to be able to legally fight Crystal’s, Marie’s and Kim P.’s attacks and keep Jr he needed a lawyer.

I would like to remind us all that the second day after Haliegh’s abduction, HaLeigh’s mother’s family drew the line in the dirt and have been at a war ever since. The Sheffield’s came out swinging with public allegations made to news media, DCF investigation that was initiated and made public by Kim and last but not least the www smear campaign that ended up being confirmed in a Bar Complaint.

Jan 57 your are so right a free pass has been given and it is obvious we are not dealing with dumb, drugged out criminals that have turned on one another when the heat is non stop and LE refusing to look in any other direction. 15 months………IT pisses me off.

Haleigh, I am so sorry many seem to be so selfish or stupid to have not found you in time!

Disclaimer: I am pondering and sharing this theory. I am not accusing anyone, just laying out the details as I see them and All of my posts are JMO.

I have never nor would I bash anyone on any site, as I do appreciate everyone who has helped keep us informed on ths case….I sincerly apologize to anyone who thought different…..I am so sick to think little Haleigh went through pure hell before she died…I guess I am at my wits end to find out the truth, as well as everyone here is the same……Jan, I am very sorry for insinuatng anythng you might interpret as negatve against you or Simon…PLease accept my apologies…

@SouthernVAgirl AGAIN! How dare you think someone is talking down to you if anything you are the one talking down to others specially the KIND people of this site that so graciously take time from their busy schedules to bring us what information they can. THEY can choose as writers to give us what they want and when they want!!!! NOT have it demanded or called liars. I have seen the articles that they are trying to get the video’s it is not like they are right there and can drive over and pick them up it has to be arranged so have a little PATIENCE sheesh!

Jan and Simon so sorry that got dumped on ya’ll!! You all take so much time and put so much into bringing us this information it’s a shame there are a few who can appreciate it. Thank You again for all you do!!!!!!

I guess apologies arent enough for some…For those who accept mind,,I thank you.

Southernvagirl…

I do understand that everyone is frustrated with the wait for this case to be solved and that our little Haleigh is found one way or another but sometimes it is hard when we feel as though someone is blaming us because there is no new news on the case. If I was wrong in assuming that you were calling us liars then I apologize to you as well.

Simon and I are reporting what we can on this case because we care. We don’t ask for any popularity in the news media, we don’t step on peoples toes for the fifteen minutes of fame (as some describe it) by getting on HLN’s Jane Valez Mitchell or Nancy Grace.

We do the best we can. Unless I am mistaken I thought Simon did tell someone that he was still working on those tapes and he would get them ASAP but the truth of the matter is we are still trying to get them. Simon will, as he has said, have them posted on BNN when that time comes. He has not given up on it, he just has to wait until he gets them to publish.

Please try to understand that we can’t always answer every comment directed to us in here. I try to keep up but when we are getting hundred’s of comments a day it is not easy so I hope you can understand.

I pray that Haleigh is found soon and the mystery in this case is solved so we can all relax, but I can almost assure that another case will come up after this one. It is so sad to know that our children are not safe on this earth anymore. It breaks my heart.

Have a great day and say that prayer for Haleigh 🙂

Jan Barrett

I am amazed at your post and concern of getting to the bottom of this sick bunch of THUGS. Our children are the products of how we raised them. The Mom and Pops of the Croslin kids are no role models in thier up-bringing. If Grandma Hollors says those THUGS called her. Dont You think the sheriff and deputies would be listening in on every phone call made by THUG MISTY AND THUG TOMMY??? Maybe that is why the detectives wont return Grandma Hollors phone messages. Could it be she to is lying??? Anyone have an answer?????

You do have a point Tuff Stuff. Maybe there is still a heart among Granny. After being grilled by Nancy Grace over and over. She still maintains the THUGS told her everything she claims they said,Do you think she has a grudge against her grandson Joe to. Now he is another story all together. When you look at his interviews, He can not seem to hold a straight face into the camera for very long. He seems to always end up putting his face toward the ground after every comment.. Could he be the next for arrest?????????

Dont forget the porch light had to be on or they were eating in the dark. Also she says in her LIE (and thats what it is) that Misty put their shirts on them. If she did that why did Misty say Haleigh still had on the pink Hanna Montana shirt she wore to school to LE?
And why did GGSykes wait until Feb. 19 to say she was there? No mention of it in the previous statements Misty made. This was said to protect Ron because he left the kids with a drugged out teen. Misty was told it was to protect her so the LE would think she didnt leave the MH. jmo

That’s possible HANGTHEM. Not sure but honestly I do not believe so. For whatever reason Joe is the weak one of the pack. Joe imo appears to have serious self esteem issues. My guess is that his habit of looking down is common even before Haleigh’s disappearance. Joe has a different persona on his my space page altogether. He comes off as dangerous and tough. IMO his behavior on his my space page is much like what a puffer fish does.

He was being publically attacked by his own family members so he “vitually” puffed up for all the world to see.
His behavior was defensive and reactionary.

I should also add that his behavior was also very immature.
LE could break him in one sitting.

LE didn’t have to return Grandma Hollars calls, they already knew what was said on the telephone calls. They were monitoring all of their calls already. DUH. I think LE has already wasted enough time, why waste anymore? Now she is calling a Florida State Detective with rumors she is hearing, why return those calls? Wasted time.

@Southernvagirl I think you are like most of us frustrated at the lack of not knowing what really happened to Haleigh. For month’s I come and read here and on other sites. I do not comment a lot and I do apologize to you for getting so angry with your posts, but they did come off very rude to the owner’s of the site and I think you are very honorable for your apologies.

This whole case is just pathetic period!!! I see so many passionate people here posting theory’s that like everyone would just like an honest answer about what really happened that night. We can all make theory’s and post our thoughts as it is our right to freedom of speech, but the TRUTH is out there and like with the Tot Mom Case a few people need to be introduced to it!!! All that matters is where is Haleigh??? For month’s I have held the hope that she would suddenly be found, but that is not happening!!!! It is also very sad that LE is not keeping the public informed, I suppose they are trying to keep everything close as to not show all the cards they are holding. We can only pray that this case will soon have an ending so that Haleigh may get Justice that she so deserves. It is hard to say a theory cause there are so many at this point!!!

God Bless Haleigh and those who are working so hard to find the answers as to what happened to her!!!!

ays he found itWBG took a lie detector from LEabout the weekend and he said he passed it, must have they let him go and never questioned him again.
Misty was seen by many on that weekend trip. Heck Ron even talked about it. That was a truth.
Ron couldnt pay rent thats why he moved. He moved in with GGSykes not another MH.That was the only way he could keep both Misty and Junior. No way could he do it without her being there to say she was watching Junior and not Misty.
And there is no real facts that Crystal and Ron were talking about getting back together. That was an old rumour. I think Misty just got fed up being with the kids 24/7 instead of having fun.
The gun was so lied about, first Misty says she found it then Ron says he found it. I believe the gun being talked about was a different ilegal gun Ron had and didnt want it found out. Thats why he denied it if Joe described the gun it wouldnt be the barretta Ron owned legally. jmo

yesto all of the above. She lied and is still lying.jmo

Maybe, maybe not OJ’s but common sense tells me that when people do lie they already know that they must first convince themselves to believe that the lie is true in order for anyone else to believe it.

Good question MADJGNLAW.
Although there was no evidence found in the van I believe that regardless the van does seem rather significant in all of this somehow.

The van was Lindsey’s and Tommy had a pick-up truck.

Tex, Its all in how you really see these people. I see them for what they really are. LIARS. Everyone of them has told so many lies its hard to tell what is really truth.and its not just the ones in jail now that have lied.
And if you look at it closely the lies become evident. GGSykes saying the kids were eating on the porch(in 60 degree weather in the dark)
really? No mention from Misty until SYKES makes the claim on the 19th. Very evident.
And yes it is good to have opposing thoughts like a think tank. lol

Misty knew alot about that red truck. She said Hank gave Tommy $500 to fix and keep the truck and Tommy sold it to a black guy. It blew up.
How did she know it blew up? Did she know the guy Tommy sold it to? Sounds like she did. jmo

It wouldnt surprise me one bit if they found red paint on the cinder blocks they pulled out of the river. jmo

I disagree with TJ Hart in regards to Congrats to Jeff Hardy for doing this the right way. IMHO he has been one of the biggest hurdles and therefore set backs in this case. I don’t understand why Tommy and Joe were not asked to take a lie detector on the first day Haleigh went missing. They both have violent histories, both were in contact with the girl on the day she disappeared, both were familiar with Ronald’s home and Ronald’s work hours, both knew at what time Misty would be alone in the home, Joe had an argument earlier with Ronald and swore vengeance, Tommy did not like Ronald, Tommy has a long history of BNE’s and domestic violence, Joe has accusations of violent sexual crimes, both were involved or attached to a vehicle that was secretly used during the hours the child went missing and on and on. At the 7 month mark Tommy is hauled in and given some out outrageous bond and surprise surprise he has a instant memory. They take it and run with it publicly siding and holding this guy up as some saint who finally told on Misty. They don’t question his bogus story. They don’t ask him to provide a lie detector before getting his reduced bond. They heard what they wanted and that was (Misty Left) Jeff Hardy said he knew exactly what happened to Haleigh and he was putting the pieces of the puzzle together. When Misty wrote a letter to her sister in law he declared it BS to Art Harris. The letter stated the exact thing they are now investigating and have used as basis to now call this case a homicide. When Tommy sings him a song he falls to pieces and runs with it and declares it as fact. Tommy says the same thing the letter did that Misty wrote only in Tommy’s version he omits his part. Jeff Hardy did not have this theory and therefore he refused to hear it until he was clouted upside the head with it and left with no choice. Myself and others who have posted are not investigators or trained in the field and we posted months ago to search the areas familiar to Tommy and Joe especially hunting and fishing areas. Search them over and over. Instead this Jeff Hardy drains a pond searches it over some jail house drama letter and red faced says it has nothing to with it. I could rant forever here and I have been for months about Tommy and Joe. I was told I was wrong when I thought it was not drugs with Ronald and if anything it was revenge towards Ronald. I though that because Joe struck me as a specific type. I always thought it was a robbery gone wrong in fact I argued one of NG’S Specialist over that.Many people have been posting the same thing and have been of the same opinion as me. Jeff Hardy refused to listen to any opinion any other option than what he believed was right. His responsibility was to do everything equally with everyone involved and then let the evidence show him instead of searching and making evidence that molded to his theory. I disagree in regards to Jeff Hardy and I think he has damaged the case more than he has done it any good. In fact with out physical evidence there isn’t a case and that is the set back, a horrendous one.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families

Wow! It was just posted in some of the groups I am of member of that Lindsey Croslin has filed for a divorce!
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

Hi Team! HANGTHEM, Misty didn’t say that they hated the other person, just that it was someone they only sorta’ or kinda’ cared about. I think it goes more or less like this:

M: “It will hurt two people.”
C: “Two people that we care about? Because you know I don’t give a rat’s @$$ about Ron…”
M: “Yes, well sorta’, one we care about, one we kinda’ care about…”

Art Harris’ latest post has been cracking me up to no end—

EXCLUSIVE! Tommy Croslin lied! And you heard it right here on AH.com.

BOMBSHELL TONIGHT! Tommy Croslin lied about lying! Secret jailhouse tapes reveal…

AH.com has learned “from our sources” that Tommy Croslin may now be lying about lying that he lied!

Peter Hyatt, Statement Analyst from the State of Maine (not necessarily FOR the State of Maine), lectures us about how Tommy Croslin’s speech reveals that he is lying about lying about lying that he lied! “You see, the word lie is the language of lying…

Like this case, I don’t see an end in sight 😀 !

And I apologize in advance to anyone who is offended by this post. Like my friend said, “If this case didn’t involve a real little girl, it would be funny.”

I can buy into oj’s theory because there are about 50 theories and possiblities of what really happened.

Stanger abduction wouldn’t surprise me anymore than a confession from one of the ‘stars’ of this movie.

Speaking of movie and book deals. At the conclusion of this case, who will be first to offer up a book? Art harris, gma hollers, ron, ????? Someone will. There is so much periphial gossip and juice to make a movie around besides the end of this little girls life.

looks like Lindsy filed for divorce from the ears !

Kate said:

From the state of maine, not necessarily FOR the state of maine.
+++++++
Funny!!

Yes she did!
LINDSEY CROSLIN FILED FOR DIVORCE ON APRIL 28, 2010 PUTNAM COUNTY http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Janie said,in May 1st, 2010 at 3:11 pm

There are so many holes in GGSykes story.

1. It was dark at 7 according to the weather site sunset was at 6;11pm ,it was 60 cold for a floridian to be out on a porch eating.
2. Misty claimed she cooked at 6-630 (we heard from sources it was Chefboyardi) so its microwave or 15 min. prep time.
3. She said Misty changed their shirts. Why did Misty say Haleigh had on the shirt she wore to school?
4. Until GGSykes made this statement on the 19th Misty never mentions her being there until August when she took TM poly.

To answer your question above I think she is messing up like most do when they are lying.
Those clothes were probably picked up in the morning before school. jmo

Tobias as you know I live here in Florida. The last two winters have been rediculously cold. I do agree with you about GGSykes lying. I also thought if this Grandma was so adamant on keeping these childrens clothes stain free she would of made sure that these childrens clothes done up especially, before the school week began so they would be ready.jmo

So who would GGSykes lie for? Misty or Ron?

15min for microwave Chefboyardee?

She lied because if was proven that Ron knew she was drugged up he would face child endangerment charges and could lose Junior.jmo

No micro wave OR 15 min. prep time on the stove.

lyndsay lohan would be good too

Stillucy I do not see GGSykes lying just for Misty If only Misty was responsible for her Granddaughters death. I do see her lying for Misty in order to help protect Ron. Ron would be her only reason to lie.

There are a few things the I remember as factual:
Ron was the one that said that he had passed the polygraph and was not a POI, PCSD had not stated that. Ron had also stated at the same time that Misty had also passed her polygraph which we later found that to be untrue. These are on YouTube with many other videos showing inconsistences in their stories.
The attorney that Crystal, Kim, had stated, that Crystal had been cleared as a POI by PCSD prior to her regaining custody of Jr. That probably would have been a biggie for child protective services granted all the attention that these parents have had with their drug issues and the circumstances surrounding HaLeigh.

Mandy,,,,thanks for the kind words…..I PROMISED MYSELF,,,I WILL NEVER GET NVOLVED N ANOTHER CASE AFTER CASEY GET DP AND HALEIGH GETS JUSTICE….I am not a well woman and this has broken my heart,,as well as the other chldren have to be raised in families like this…..Haleigh and Caylee,,will get justice either in our world or the next…I have to believe this….

In the beginning the Cummings/Sykes clan and the Croslins were all trying to show a united front, covering for each other, working together, forming the alliances, spinning the web of lies and stories and now, that their lifstyle has got them thrown in the klink, the walls will crumble down. From what it looks like, no matter what you think about Crystal, she is removed from HaLeigh’s disappearance. HaLeigh was left in the care of her father, big mistake by the court system, big mistake! Ron should pay for his vindictivness one way or another. To take that little girl away from her mother to punish her mother for wanting out of their relationship and now what has happened to HaLeigh in his care is atrocious. Ron should pay.
They say it takes a village to raise a child but I don’t think they meant for narcotics to be involved in that village along with a man who chose to chase underage girls. And good old Teresa and Grandma Sykes should be ashamed of themselves, too. This whole mess is disgusting.
Hopefully justice for HaLeigh comes soon.
Thanks to Simon for the new article, great post.

ANYONE IN HERE FROM FLORIDA? Question, how late can you purchase alchol there, I know here and I’m most states its 2am yet Ron bought a beer after work around 3am, how is this?

Found this information on alcohol purchasing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States_by_state

Supermarkets and other licensed business establishments may sell beer, low-alcohol liquors, and wine. Liquor must be sold in dedicated liquor stores which may be in a separate part of a grocery or a drug store. Beer must be sold in quantities of 32 or fewer ounces or greater than 1 gallon. Forty- and 64-ounce beverages are illegal.

We Know Tommy had the yellow rope, found in his trailer. Why in the world would Tommy cover for Joe- does not make since. I feel that Tommy covered for Misty. Maybe Ron Knows Hard to tell But Misty Killed her I believe. by accident.

also, on Art Harris page on april 20th they found the rope in Tommys trailer- Lindsay Filed Divorce shortly after on the 28th. what does that tell you? why wont Tommy talk about Timmy?

wow good noggin there ShayShay, woulda never thhuk of it!
my niece is a ShaShay!

Linda,you’re right!
They acted like grieving relatives!

looking for Justice said,in May 1st, 2010 at 4:05 pm Stillucy I do not see GGSykes lying just for Misty If only Misty was responsible for her Granddaughters death. I do see her lying for Misty in order to help protect Ron. Ron would be her only reason to lie.

Exactly!
Now its seen that Lindsey was at the mh for dinner that day too,so why did as not say that?