We will be running our regular Sunday program. It will air at 3pm central (4pm eastern) on Blog Talk Radio.
In the Casey Anthony case we have Fridays court appearance to discuss. That likely ill take about 20 seconds. Many people were hoping that the new judge would step up to the plate and force Baez into going to trial earlier than May 2011. I am sure that there will be a new flurry of motions from the defense and rather than moving the trial date forward he will be recommending a date in 2020! I for one find it odd, Jose Baez was the guy that told judge Strickland that he had proof that his client Casey Anthony was innocent. Strickland gave Baez the ultimate length of rope, he set a Feb 2010 date for Baez to come forward with his BOMSHELL evidence , needless to say, that date came and went. I wonder why that might be?
Over on the Haleigh Cummings case, once again the PCSO has gone quiet. This is hardly new, it is their MO. I don’t wish to share the names, but we have been bouncing a document around for a few days. It is by no means something that has evidentiary value, but I have shared it with the PCSO. Sometimes it is good to take a fresh look at a case.
One thing is clear, handing down a 15 year sentence to Hope Sykes, who most view as a ‘bit player’ in the drug story must have the rest of the gang having fits.
To me the 15 years for Hope Sykes sends a very clear message. If you cannot pick it up you need a hearing aid. The PCSO and FDLE are no longer in a deal making mode. Justice will be served, and it will be harsh. It is possible that Tommy Croslin will be the first to crack. All roads lead to sister Misty Croslin, but it is very clear that Tommy knows a lot more than he is saying.
It should be an interesting program. To listen in, point your browser to www.blogtalkradio.com a few minutes before we hit the air, the link will be on the website, or you can use this direct link, click here.
It should be an interesting program.
Simon Barrett
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Thanks Simon! Any chance of getting those jailhouse tapes you promised a few weeks back… always good entertainment when the case has gone quiet. We have ALL been chomping at the bit for them and you would be the only one to have them! Can ya? Please please?
15 years does seem to be a bit harsh for just being in the car. Is it another scare tactic? I’m assuming the defence will appeal that sentence.
“One thing is clear, handing down a 15 year sentence to Hope Sykes, who most view as a ‘bit player’ in the drug story must have the rest of the gang having fits.” really hope so simon.
Wow, Simon, what a teaser about the document that you shared with the PCSO. Any chance we’ll find out anything about the document soon, anything at all— where/who it came from, what sort of document it is, why you got it and how you got it… anything??
can someone answer a question on tommy’s charges??? what is the 3 years tommy is looking at. is that on the drug charge or the b&e charge?
Any hint on the guests, please?
In particular, will Peter Hyatt be on the show again?
ms.peridot19 said,
in April 30th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
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ms. peridot,
Tommy currently has four outstanding charges.
1. 9/14/09 – Grand Theft (the gun he stole from the blind man that was a former neighbor of his parents) Next Court date is 5/13
2. 11/6/2009 – POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE (When he was passed out at the bus stop with drugs in the car. He used to also have a POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA charge too, but that was dropped) Next court date is also 5/13
3. 1/21/2010 – Trafficking (We all are aware of this charge). Next Court date is 5/13
4. 1/22/2010 – BURGLARY OF DWELLING (That was the burglary that Misty made LE aware of when she was interviewed in jail) No Court date listed.
I’m still trying to find out why Tommy stole that dishwashing liquid and cleaning equipment from that ladies’ house. What was he cleaning?
wow, thank you j! i was trying to understand what charge jim werter was talking about on nancy grace. i think the 3yr minimum is for the trafficking charge. and if i understand mr. werter he does not have all the evidence yet? i was surprised to hear that. wonder what other charge mr. werter is waiting for disclosure on too?
“I believe my minimum mandatory that I`m looking at is three years. I have not gotten full disclosure yet from the state as far as the evidence. There`s still another count out there that I`m waiting for disclosure on”
errr! i should have said where that quote came from. ng show aired 04/27/2010
I want to stop something before it starts. The document is one that I wrote, and various others have contributed to. For a variety of reasons, not everyone is willing or able to to put their name on it.
It is a discussion about the timeline.There is much to be learned if you know where to look.
So no, this is no BOMBSHELL. It is just the result of a long conference call with some folks I know.
Thanks for clearing that up Simon – I would like to read the document.
Maybe this has been covered (I try to read everything before I post) but…How was Ronald allowed in court with Hope? Can anyone just request a witness and then they are allowed to go to court? It just seems strange to me. Who pays for that? Having a prisoner as a witness requires security, transportation, etc…
Oh well – if someone knows and can answer this, I would appreciate it. Thanks!
simon the “able” part is interesting. i wonder who is talking to you. well, we have to respect they have their reasons. i take it, you are not going to tell us where to look! hmmmm? some of us, need lots of help! darn it!
truly, i think le is making headway. so i will be one who has to patiently wait.
simon, may i add, i thought lfj did a very interesting time line recently. i wonder if she sees this if she would re post that here.
Are you or are you NOT gonna share the bouncing doc with us?
Just thinking, but wonder if it is possible that when Tommy was taking the lie detector test he ‘passed’ on some questions that surprised even himself – while failing others. Maybe he is just stringing this story together from the questions he ‘passed”
hi bac, i wonder if pretty please will work???
Hi Ms.P… don’t know… lets try.
Pretty Please!
Yes I will share most of it, there are parts though that would cause big trouble for some folks, I will redact those parts.
I think it is fair to say that there is a good more to this case than meets the eye.
hello pezzu, wow, what a thougt! i reallly hope that is not the case! well, unless it is becasue he does not remember from drug use.
did you see tobias pointed out how le can find out facts from the questions that are answered falsely. so basically if it is a very well designed test they could really learn alot even if the person is not telling the truth!
WE ALL THANK YOU, SIMON~
JillF said,in April 30th, 2010 at 6:19 pm Thanks for clearing that up Simon – I would like to read the document.
Maybe this has been covered (I try to read everything before I post) but…How was Ronald allowed in court with Hope? Can anyone just request a witness and then they are allowed to go to court? It just seems strange to me. Who pays for that? Having a prisoner as a witness requires security, transportation, etc…
Oh well – if someone knows and can answer this, I would appreciate it. Thanks!
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he was paraded in front of the cameras by LE to get maximum exposure for hope’s sentencing..
it was to send a MESSAGE!
oh cent you have powers!!! (a little scary!)
simon, seriously, thank you!
i am worried you are saying, more people are involved. ugh! or it is not as straight forward as we think? well as long as this case keeps going forward. i always worried the police would not be able to find/get evidence, because maybe there was not any or enough of it. and many cases take years for people to tell or break if ever!
if haleigh is passed, i pray she is brought home to rest!
♥haleigh♥
Thank you Simon!
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And to the person at IS that stole my post above (5:41 pm) with Tommy’s court/outstanding charge information, you should give credit when stealing people’s posts (copying and pasting) and using them as your own on another board.
well cent i know all your powers are for the good! 🙂
any thoughts on when le will let the public know if they have evidence to bring charges in haleigh’s case. before or after they charge the people involved?
I thought there was to be an arrest in two weeks..I am waiting for it! This case is complex to say the least, but with all the evidence LE is claiming they have, why hasn’t someone been charged? Maybe because that was a fabrication of the truth. I believe by focusing on these people early on and to the exclusion of anyone else, they have no IDEA what happened, who is responsible, and where it happened, contrary to what other people claim. I know that they have invested fourteen months, but a couple weeks back they classed this as a “homocide” case and said arrests would be forthcoming. I thought they were onto something this time, not pandering to the media pressure, and yet once again I believe that is exactly what happened. I give LE the benefit of the doubt, but I would like to point out that I would examine the stranger abduction theory a little more closely. They haven’t charged anyone with a crime..what could it hurt? These people are not going anywhere anytime soon with these outrageous sentences as well as exorbitant fines hanging over their heads. I say to LE “Investigate instead of Intimidate”.
**Prayers for Haleigh**
ms.peridot,
I doubt we’ll know anything about evidence until after an arrest is made. UNLESS something leaks out, of course. If that happens, LE will deny, deny, deny, I’d bet. As much as I want information, if there is any evidence that will help with a conviction of the guilty party(ies), I’d rather LE holds it close to the vest and makes a clean arrest. The most important thing to me is that the guilty person/people are arrested AND convicted. If that means we have to wait for information, so be it. Justice for HaLeigh is the most important thing.
j, thank you for your opinion. i can wait, however long it takes to get the right party(ies) and for the conviction. i agree.
Ms.P,
Like any other case, I suspect it will be after they are charged, and perhaps when LE issues a warrant for the arrest of the un-jailed.
I think I heard art harris say tha tommy made bail. What a waste of $5k. He’s going back, soon.
Jaba… I believe that was the gun charge… some ways back! NOT for the current charge!!
Tommy out: Maybe that was earlier. NG’s bombshells always throw me off at first.
well i re read your comments simon. maybe you are saying it is exactly as it looks. as it looked all along!
well i promise i will wait to see your document now! i have friday brain, so i will stop talking for now. :^)
thank you cent! i know you know more about legal cases than i do.
good night everyone.
Tommy made bail,are you serious?
Heya guys and gals and people in my monitor..lol catching up!
Oh,I see now,lol sorry I was gonna say OMG
i SWEAR,i’VE BEEN AWAY FOR A FEW AND THOUGHT FOR SURE SOMETHING WOULD CHANGE BY NOW,GOOD THING i DON’T GET PAID TO “THINK”
GRRRR sorry I didn’t mean to pierce your eardrums,lol forgot as always!
everybodys gone again,grrrrrrrrrr…lol
With no body and all of the inconsistent stories since 02/09, PCSD will surely submit all evidence and findings to a grand jury and that could take a very long time.
This bunch is facing long jail sentences on their drug charges so PCSD has plenty of time for HaLeigh’s investigation. PCSD still believe that Misty is the key and she isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
PCSD haven’t released any jail tapes for quite awhile, have they? They sure are keeping everything very quiet and close.
hey cathyjo, i am not sticking around, just wanted to say have a great friday night!
Jose Baez said that one of His reasons for wanting the case moved to Miami is because this sort of case would be just one of many of the same sort of thing. Does that make it any less horrid? So again it is clear that he is not after Justice, just clearing his client. And in no way shape or form any sort of Justice for Caylee.
Bozo said on live TV this is a MONSTER case. LMAO has he been reading the blogs and picked up our nickname for Casey? LOL
OK, someone got the message wrong. I do not have much love for Art Harris, but he absolutely did not say that Tommy made bail. The chances of Tommy making bail is right up there with Michael Jackson making a comeback!
never say never. IN fact MJ’s sales are better now than the last 6 years :P:P
((Hey, Cathy))
Tommy did not make bond, nor can he. He still has a no bond charge.
His 9-14-09 charges (Grand Theft) is the charge that has no bond. On 1/22/2010 the State made a “Motion to Revoke Bond” and that same day an order was made. On 1/26/2010 the docket shows the “Order Revoking Bond and Defendant Remanded to Custody” (Although he was already in custody on the trafficking charges)
So Tommy cannot be bonded out unless that Order is Lifted/Dropped by the State. I do not see that happening any time soon, IMO.
I didn’t get to watch NG tonight.. Anything new ?
You are so right, Beast!
People just misunderstood what Art said. And that’s how awful rumors get started. That’s why us old broads hit rewind when we think we hear something interesting to verify.
Will be listening Sunday. Avid listener for the last 2 weeks and enjoying it.
I’m rather interested in the timeline, too.
Thanks from Indy
What did Art say?
Yep, I tried to correct my mistake a couple of posts down.
I should no better than not to listen intently to the past or present tense of art’s reports. Sometimes they are designed to be elusive.
Tommy made bail in the past. Not today.
Ohhh! OOhh! (Waves hand around above head)
I wanna see the timeline discussion, ….pretty please..LOL!
ms peridot are you still there? I have my grand daughter for 2 days after school till my d-i-l gets off work. Also my youngest son called. He works for P.D.in another state. The tornado warnings are going off constantly there tonight. They had 1 there about 3or 4 yrs ago and it hit the south end of town.I’m scared but know God is with them.I never got close to a case until Caylee and then Haleigh disappeared.But i’m a gm of 5 and this has gotten to me so bad.People need to pay the price for killing these beautiful little girls.My son & family would have taken them to love & raise in a heartbeat.I just want these people found and punished,no matter who they are.
Okay time for me to through another Monkey wrench in all the other wrenches.
Ughh, i listened to the hypnosis tape again and I think she’s telling the truth.
I know i’ve heard she failed LDT’s but to me she seems like she is telling what she remembers as she remembers it. I ususally sense deception and for some reason I wasn’t getting any. What if LE got it all wrong and someone did come in and took Haleigh. What if they are pressuring her to tell the truth, and that was the truth. What if that’s why Ronald and TN believed her. Now they all feel obligated to say something that didn’t occur and it’s pizzing them all off. What if that explains all the lies coming from all ends. What if they feel they have to lie and that’s why nothing is jiving.
Thanks for answering my question OJ’s Glove – and while I really appreciate your unwaivering support for Misty (I hontestly do – you consistently stand behind her – as far as I can see – you are the ONLY person in her life that ever has) I was hoping for a legal response to my question. Is the courtroom attached to the jail? How did Ron get to go to Hope’s hearing? Those logistics have me baffled and no one is answering me? (:
JillF….I’ll pull a map of the courthouse & jail from google for you. To see distance as I don’t know either…WHere’s EllFlorida when we need her? lol.
BRB
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=410+Saint+Johns+Avenue,+Palatka,+FL+32177+(Putnam+County+Courthouse)&daddr=Palatka,+FL+32177+(Putnam+County:+Jail+Division)&geocode=FVdgxAEdb2Mi-yFXGXpVVBvCzSmhxOU6RGTmiDGnS5IMMmsKMg%3BFcRmxAEdMk8i-ynDEA6auWXmiDFDHlOkF_-SQg&hl=en&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=29.64858,-81.637582&sspn=0.208264,0.438766&ie=UTF8&z=17
Well, there it is…sort of…
It’s about 4 blocks away from jail. A quickie transport.
maryd said,in April 30th, 2010 at 9:42 pm Okay time for me to through another Monkey wrench in all the other wrenches.
Ughh, i listened to the hypnosis tape again and I think she’s telling the truth.
I know i’ve heard she failed LDT’s but to me she seems like she is telling what she remembers as she remembers it. I ususally sense deception and for some reason I wasn’t getting any. What if LE got it all wrong and someone did come in and took Haleigh. What if they are pressuring her to tell the truth, and that was the truth. What if that’s why Ronald and TN believed her. Now they all feel obligated to say something that didn’t occur and it’s pizzing them all off. What if that explains all the lies coming from all ends. What if they feel they have to lie and that’s why nothing is jiving.
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exactly maryd…the torture like pressure LE has placed on misty and her posee is SQUEEZING out lies! The tortured say anything to stop the TORTURE. LE blew it from the git by ruling out stranger abduction. Misty woke up and haleigh was gone..end of story.
JillF:
Ron was supposed to speak on behalf of his cousin in her trial, but they never called him. That was why he was in court that day.
I remember last week you told us someone was gong to LE and the next mornng to pick up the videos,,,,,then nothng else was said…..WHY do you tell us you are getting the videos and then NOTHING ????????????????? Where are the latest videos,,,please….this case goes on and on and on and on,,,,,,,atleast LE is making the videos available to the public,,,,,why do you drop the ball and not follow thru when you say,,,we would have the vids…….
I remember last week you told us someone was gong to LE and the next mornng to pick up the videos,,,,,then nothng else was said…..WHY do you tell us you are getting the videos and then NOTHING ????????????????? Where are the latest videos,,,please….this case goes on and on and on and on,,,,,,,atleast LE is making the videos available to the public,,,,,why do you drop the ball and not follow thru when you say,,,we would have the vids…….
Karon said,in April 30th, 2010 at 10:56 pm JillF:
Ron was supposed to speak on behalf of his cousin in her trial, but they never called him. That was why he was in court that day.
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that was the SPIN! the truth I posted above
OJ
I think i have run the gambit on theories, and questions. Trying to put everything we hear into perspective seems a herculean effort. My biggest question all along was why did Ronald and TN stick by Misty. That question arose from the info we’ve been told about the LDT’s. The inconsistencies about Misty’s story i am now wondering how inconsistent they really are. The girl doesn’t seem to comprehend questions that well and maybe that’s why her answers don’t seem clear and concise. I am trying to keep an open mind. What if Misty is just too convoluted in her thought process to pass a LDT? If she had been telling the truth from day one it would explain a lot of the other questionable behaviors. This is just another possibility in my ledger of theories. I mean the back door could have been unlocked by the AC man during his doing whatever, and someone could have slipped in there. The kitchen light could have been turned on by Jr. when he left the bedroom per Misty when she was falling asleep.
exactly maryd..LTDs are inadmissable as evidence because there fallible..they mean nothing. The lemming like mentality of the Nancy Grace incited lynch mob here is whats disturbing! and these people serve on jurys? thats frightening!
O.J.:
You could be right about Ronald being paraded. Do you think Tommy will get a lot longer sentence than 3 yrs. I don’t see how Hope could get 15 and Tommy get 3 yrs. Tommy has 4 charges against him. If he has made a deal, is he trying to say he lied again?
I remember real early on in this case a neighbor said they saw Tommy at the MH that night.
Karon said,in April 30th, 2010 at 11:40 pm O.J.:
You could be right about Ronald being paraded. Do you think Tommy will get a lot longer sentence than 3 yrs. I don’t see how Hope could get 15 and Tommy get 3 yrs. Tommy has 4 charges against him. If he has made a deal, is he trying to say he lied again?
I remember real early on in this case a neighbor said they saw Tommy at the MH that night.
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whatever the max is is what they’ll give him.. his lies were responsible for the search at the pier, I think LE is a little embarrassed about that blunder..Tommy doesn’t know what the hell happen, hes guessing just like LE is and hes saying anything he thinks the cops want to hear to get his get out of jail card.
I was so disgusted and mad when I heard Tommy had changed his story, again. If AH is telling it right on NG, LE is sticking to the timeline that Tommy came by there about 10:00p.m. that night. Like Simon said LE has gone real quiet again, so I wonder what is coming.
If AH is right, Lyndsay is saying she doesn’t know what to believe, now. I believe, Tommy left the kids alone, asleep and went to the MH. He may have been back home when Lyndsay got there at 10:15p.m. or 10:30p.m. I have never believed that Tommy was in bed with Lyndsay, all night, because there was an officer there about 2:15a.m. Then they got the call that Haleigh was missing around 4:00a.m. That sounds like a very hacked up night of sleeping, to me. I just don’t buy that story.
Another thing, the statements about Tommy walking the streets at night and his B&E’s, show that Lyndsay was accustomed to Tommy’s disappearances at night.
Hi Karon. My mind is reeling tonight.
What do you think the probability is that they asked Tommy on his LDT, about going to the mobile home that night.
I’m thinking he retracted, took the test and passed. That is why his lawyer is so confident and forthcoming now.
@SouthernVagirl sheesh give BNN a break they bring us a lot of news and information that we may not never have heard. Why get your panties in a wad over video’s, from what I have heard these video’s are hours and hours long you just cannot upload them onto any service and make them work effectively they have to be resized and cut down to work properly for most computers if not all computers. Simon, Jan, TJ, Cobra and all others have worked long hours on this case and it is only fair we give them the time needed to process the info. Haleigh Cummings is not the only story they cover if you look in the daily logs they have a wide range of other obligations to cover as well and do this alone so please show some respect and patience sheesh! Keep up the good work Gang!!!!
the guys a thief but he knows nothing about haleigh..stranger abduction in my humble opinion.
just for PRETEND here.. ( thats a big PRETEND).. let’s say MISTY really doesn’t know what happened ,, she was really passed out and clueless and someone got in.
.. what then would be the proposed ENTRY and what would be the EXIT…
this is not a facetious question either. Seriously, spaeking.
did someone enter through another window and only exit the side door?… or… did the person entering have a key (possibly one sitting on a counter on a set at another MH ,for example)…did the lock simply get opened with a tool of some sort?
.. i (thought) LE said said the lock did not look tampered with ( a vid with hank i beleive? ) They also made note they thought it was NOT a stranger abduction based on that. anyones opinion on how the lock was opened pretending that MC actually doesn’t know and was sleeping
they say they locked ir b4 he left for work. Were they simply mistaken. or maybe tc or jo used the door unknowingly for a few minutes while over there stumbling drunk and misty didn’t realize and a SO later got in through the unlocked door after they saw everyone leave…possibly scoping the MH for low activity.
this is a pretend scenario to completely remove doubt or strengthen the case against. valuable opinions only since it is merely a pretend scenario that 99% of bloggers here do not agree with. Pass over if not interested in discussing.
My personal opinion is that Tommy lied about going over at 10:00. I believe he was addicted to drugs and felt like a caged animal and they told him they would reduce his bond, so he fed them what they wanted to hear.
past midnight on a friday night… i think i’m the only one not at the bar partying… ok , i have no life , so what.LOL. I think another Scoob scene is due today.. Ok maybe not. Too Hinky !
… chirp…chirp…. ( crickets )
I think LE is trying to wipe the egg off their face from this latest search. I think it was like all the other searches. They have nothing to tie anyone to this crime, or they would have used it to gain an arrest(s). They could not get anyone on this, so they came up with the drug sting to get these people behind bars. Granted, no one twisted these people to sell drugs, but thats the way our justice system works. To top it off these people will get lengthy sentences and exorbitant fines on top of it. (Hope’s was 15 years and $250,000 fine). These people will never see a fair trial (if it ever goes that far) with the media exposure and the on air convictions from Nancy Grace and other media outlets, not to mention the leading statements made by the police–nothing anyone has to back up apparently! They have ruled this a homocide–without a body (which has been done before) and apparently very little evidence (or someone would have been charged all ready). I want LE to solve this crime the right way, so years down the road the family of Haleigh does not have to revisit this because they convicted the wrong person. LE can legally lie and manipulate someone to get their “Man”. I think that’s what happened. Then LE throws the media a bone to get public support, which they obviously have! If you can look past the lies of the ones involved, don’t you wonder why LE had to set up a drug sting to get them behind bars? Then they release the sting videos and jailhouse phone calls? This is to taint the public’s perception against them. It has obviously worked like a charm. I am not buying the story LE has manufactured to condemn these people. This is definately not the first time LE has pulled these shenanigans, and I guarantee it, this won’t be the last. But next time, IT could be your family! JMO
something 7, who says the front door was locked?
Gee, Willikers, I spoke too soon. Another no-lifer. ( is that how ya’ spell willikers? What’s a williker , anyway ?) INQUIRING MINDS want to know !
front door locked: Misty’s word only ( have they even mentioned her response toi front door being locked? ). She would easliy be forgetful enough to leave the door unlocked. Light on in kitchen.. closer to front door. Did the front door seem tampered with if in fact she did lock it. Did she ever mention that she knows as fact she locked the door? was the porch screen door locked too or usually left open. Didn’t Ron notice the side door open as he drove up? Is the driveway far enough to other side of trailer not to notice this ?
If she was so scared… why did she leave the back door open? First instinct after checking on the kids… would be to close and lock that door!! NO ONE WOULD LEAVE IT OPEN, OUT OF FEAR!!
**Actually, it might be the first instinct**
Misty has mentioned alot of things that she knew as fact and then changed her things that she knew to new facts. She does that alot and is still doing it. Go figure.
Random Thoughts:
My mind is in a whirl. also. I do think LE had something other than these people’s word, since they know how they all lie, to do that massive search. I think they are going to make an arrest soon, and I think that is why they quit saying anything or letting out tapes from the jail.
I do believe Tommy went by there that night, because I distinctly remember at the very start of the case that a neighbor saw him there. I think LE asked all the neighbors to quit talking to keep the press out of it.
i know the blue cooler was a mislead by NG but the EXIT was obviously out the side so what would prompt someone to prop the door whether entering by front door or through the same sidedoor ? Could she possibly have been put in a similar type container and carried by two guys with a cooler in their grasp, so they wouldn’t look suspicious. As if they were just carrying out some beer. Were there any empty coolers found in the dumpster search? What exactly did dogs hit on? A cooler would be an easy item to bring to a lake and dispose of later in a dumpster. Maybe haleigh never actually was ever near a dumpster, but only a similar container was dumped in there later to get rid of. Could that be why dogs hot on the dumpster but she was not found?
I, also, think they had some evidence to call this a homocide case. They wouldn’t have changed that if they didn’t have enough to be sure.
I still think Crystal coming out of that family meeting with LE saying Joe killed my baby means something.
This is taking too long to refresh!! I will see you all tomorrow… GoodNight!
Ok in pretend scenario. Perp could be Tommy. Or Joe…or Stranger SO. Two people who could have opened the back door while in the house earlier were Tommy and AC guy. Motive for Tommy to come later and steal the “infamous gun”. But why would Tommy want to take Haleigh? And of course Lindsey says he was with her. Don’t know who the AC guy was or if he had desire to take Haleigh. So what if Tommy left the door unlocked for Joe to go and get the gun later on that night? Joe takes the Van sneaks in and props open the back door. He’s looking for gun and Haleigh wakes up. She sees him and he decides to take her. And or quiet her. He puts something around her mouth to quiet her and she goes unconscious. Ok any one want to add to this scenario?
Something 7:
I think the whole purpose of not putting HC in a container was so the alligators would get her body and destroy any evidence or proof of a crime.
Yes, like who would leave the door open unless they wanted to paint a picture for LE to see when they got there. I don’t think their first instict would be to not touch anything ,so to not muck up the crime scene. Funny thing is they never took the whole doors themselves until later, it was only the locks themselves. It wasn’t like a robbery and 100 dollars was missing , take prints and leave. You’d think when an abduction happens they’d take everything dealing with the open door. They had to have known this case would be going for awhile when they take a call about an abducted kid…. but the scenario was pretending to beleive Misty was innocent and explain the lock being broken into so just pretending would you say the person hade a key or is it too far out of the realm of known evidence already to even pretend anything other than an insider did this. your thoughts… btw this was meant for an answer to B’A(cent)!
Good nite Cent.
Maryd:
That gun plays into all of this or RC wouldn’t have told the press a bald-faced lie about the fight with JO. I think the drug trade and the illegal gun played heavilly into what happened to HC. IMO JO could have been working for someone else selling drugs, and RC went back on delivering the gun for payment of debt. That may have been why JO was so bent on revenge. I think he will be tied into all of this before this is over. I don’t think JO would be so upset at being pointed at by his family, if he weren’t involved in some way. This is just a thought.
Karon, EXACTLY, the container may have only been a transport to get her out of the trailer without someone seeing them carry a lifeless body out, to transport in the van possibly instead of just laying a dead body in the back and driving around, Dumping ( wherever that might be ) out of the container and disposing of the container. Carrying a lifeless body around would require a lot of stealth without someone seeing. Carrying a dead cadaver wrapped or not would without being seen would take some effort even if she is little. I actually think MC is partly guilty or in the know but just a (what if) scenario to get some scenarios working until Sunday’s radio news. By all means skip past if you’d like, though!
Karon,
Thanks for responding. I think it could be a good possibility about joe. Tommy could have left the back door unlocked for him to come and get the gun later that night, and Haleigh woke up. In one way or another he silenced her. This of course is speculation.
Think I’m going nitey nite. Nite all.
The blue and white container turned out to be a device on a scooping device on a piece of machinery that was being used. I think, they had her wrapped in a blanket, or a black trash bag, if they had her wrapped in anything. IMO, those two objects have been mentioned alot in this case.
Maryd, good synopsis. Totally Plausible.
… one thing we know is Haleigh is missing… to get a girl out of there stealthily without someone hearing or waking up( pretending thats true) would require her to be lifeless alrready or subdued. Is it possible ETHER was used to get her out of the MH by an SO…
Casey ‘supposedly’ used Chloroform !
Karon. you must be sleepy and not read my post. I already mentioned that the cooler was a mislead, but what if another container was used. Something would have to be used for them not to be noticed carrying a wrapped body. I suppose they coiuldve wrapped her in a way that would make her look like she was being carried while sleeping .. but… if getting ready to dump a boday woudn’t someone secure it or wrap vit thoroughly first. So they are ready for a qyuick toss out in the lake when arrive.( who knows if thats even the case bcz she could be cburied too.
If this were done by a SO, why would this family be lying so much and blaming each other? They would be saying the same thing over and over again, if it were the truth they were telling. The truth is much easier to remember than a lie. I think that is one reason, LE said this was not done by a stranger to the family. LE probably knew after MC and RC had changed their stories a couple of times that they weren’t telling the truth.
I listened to some of the first interviews, this week, and they both were changing the facts to their stories early on.
The thing that amazes me is that someone hasn’t come out with the whole truth, yet. I think MC will, now, that RC is being kept away from her.
wow lots of typos .. maybe i’m the one who’s sleepy.. well , anyway enough with the pretend scenario i suppose. I only put that up bcz i thought another blogger who beleives in misty’s innocence was going to respond but left immediately after i posted so NM. Anyway,I think she’s guilty or partly in the know either way.. See ya Sunday everyone!
Thanks Something7,
Ok was about to sleep and another thought came to mind. What if? Joe was looking for the gun and Haleigh woke up and he wrapped her shirt around her face to quiet her quickly. She passed out he pulled the shirt off of her and threw it on the floor on the way out. He took her with him. So now Tommy would feel guilty for leaving the door open for him. Misty would be afraid maybe her brother had something to do with it. And Joe is the real perp. Tommy just suspects where he may have disposed of her.
K back to sleep.
Okay, has anyone else picked up on Hope saying over and over how “they” are steps ahead of LE? And how “everyone needs to pick up their act” or whatever? THAT is huge to me because she said it when she didn’t seem to think she was on record.
So, who is steps ahead? What are they steps ahead of and was she there the night of the 911 call after all? What does she know and does her being taken in also mean LE knows she knows something?
I don’t believe ether or chloroform was used. Drugs were just too handy and people around HC were accustomed to using them. The only way I would think ether or chloroform was used would be if MC sold HC to someone. I believe if it were JO or TC, HC knew them, and she would have gone with them, if they gave her the right story. I do think it may have been a possibility that MC drugged HC that night, and she accidentally overdosed her. MC had trouble getting HC to bed at night, and she was tired that night. HC could have gotten hold of some drugs that were laying around the house, also.
Crystal’s dad said RC had bricks of marijuana laying around the house and, now, Chelsea said pills ere laying around the house.
Ethere or Chloroform just doesn’t fit with these people’s thinking, IMO.
maryd, a good explanation for misty not knowing why the pink shirt she reported her wearing was later found in the clothes. Plausible again AND plays into the ‘ how do you get a live little, kicking ,screaming girl out of the house without waking someone up’ sceanario. Like you said choked until passed out and died. Reason for then not knowing and pointing at others while someone is quietly away in another state after cionveniently leaving the next day. Many say it was scheduled. I look at it this way. If it was scheduled, then that would be the last possible chance to get whatever they were looking for and knew it ! Making it convenient ! and making it now or never… ppl act stranger and worse things happen and get out hand when its known to be the last possible chance…it was then or never, in the moment and had to act fast.. too fast.. things got out of hand.. UH OH. what’s next kinda thing.
Chromedaffs:
I did notice Hope saying that. It caught my attention. I just didn’t know what to make of it, and I wonder if it had something to do with HC. If she believes that is the whole reason she got in trouble, that fits.
It could fit with Simon saying that this case is much more far-reaching than we may know.
Chromedaffodils;
I too had wondered that after hearing her “we’re 10 steps ahead of the game” diatribe.
Is this “game” she refers to just about the drugs * dealing? or is it about more?
Karon,ETHER was on the SO theory only ( as if they brought it along purposely) in the pretend scenario I wrote to get another blogger to give their opinion other than just saying’ LE is corrupt. misty’s being tortured.
i wanted to get an actual opinion of WHY they think misty is innocent and offer up some scenarios but they left.
I personally think it was an Od , myself but I’m thinkinbg maryd may have a scenario that seems likely plausible. It was my second favorite theory but i think maryd made me see it as my number one now with the added explanation of the pink shirt included. I’m leaning that way now. .. but the OD theory is still lingering to me also
My BIG qiestion is:
If Ron was onto Joe from day 1….why did he repeatedly lie about the fight about the gun? Wouldn’t that have made JO suspect #1 right away if he had acknowledged it as being true? Why would Ron want to protect JO? Why lie about the stolen gun to Geraldo and others?
Misty & Ron both have mentioned Shell Harbour Rd as a possible location for Haleigh’s remains. (They were talking about remains long before most of us bloggers were even ready to think about her being dead/murdered)
Ron was willing to crush JO’s hands for stealing his gun but never even tried to confront him about stealing his daughter.
Misty spend nearly every day she was in Tennessee with JO….that’s what Gmom Hollars meant about “She must have liked it”. Why would Misty go hang-out with not only her RAPIST but the person she KNEW had murdered Haleigh and caused all of the trouble?
It DOES not compute!! lOL!
Her statements could mean something, but I think she’ more likely a complete ignoramous and doesn’t even realize what she’s saying other than to ‘act’ like a hard a$$ B$%CH ! until we saw her crying of course!
Drugs and guns are the central theme of this case. Everyone that has any connection to this case revolves around drugs and guns, in one way or the other. I think most of what we have seen is the cover-up of what happened to HC but, more than that, the cover-up of the drug trafficking that was going on. They all knew they would go down for a long time for drug trafficking.
Misty’s covering for RC’s drug trafficking, in my opinion.
HGM:
The only reason why RC would lie to cover for that fight with JO over the gun was it was an illegal weapon. RC couldn’t admit to having an illegal gun, and I think he, also, was into a drug deal with JO. IMO.
Didn’t RC say on those last Cobra tapes that he was scared of JO? Somehow, JO put the fear into RC, and RC isn’t afraid of very much. I am very curious why JO was so afraid of JO. I think that might give us alot of answers in this case.
HGM:
Your point about MC hanging out with JO is a good one. Why was she putting out Missing person fliers with JO the next day after HC went missing? Why did RC say he was scared to try to force the truth out of JO on those Cobra tapes?
Hey Karon;
I think the Ron “I’m scared” statements were about him being “scared” of what JO had done to Haleigh (if JO really did anything)….The gap between the “I’d crush his hands” statement and the “I’m scared” statement were to close together for anything to have changed that much, IMO. THose both stated within days of each other…
The gun that JO “stole” was impounded by FDLE per Ron on that same tape. So if he was going to turn it over to LE right away, why lie about it being stolen or the “fight” about it? Maybe because for JO to have stolen it to begin with it had to be out and easily taken, not locked up like it should have been….just a thought.
I’m still peeved about how many times I was “lashed” for mentioning the supposed gun fight, that Ron insisted never happened. Only to find out it really DID happen. So now, I want to know what was so scary about us knowing that there really had been a fight about a stolen gun? Why was that such a threat? Why the denial. Had it been you or I, I can imagine we’d of been yelling from the roof-tops “Hey, that guy stole my gun, we had a huge fight/arguement about it and then my daughter went missing!” Does that make sense?
Maybe MC and RC wanted HC to be found, or giving some true facts in with false facts. Remember how MC said: “why would I have pointed the pink shirt out to the police, if I had something to do with it?” If HC was found at one of the places they had named, they may have thought they could say, ‘why would I have named the place, if I had something to do with it?’
Is that the reason the pink shirt was found?
ALso….Misty rode home from the hospital with mom & dad AND JO….She didn’t feel uncomfortable to do so? I mean supposedly, he had just raped her hours before, stolen a 5 yr old child, raped and murdered her…?
Is it really plausible that misty would have rode with JO & mom to the hospital and back? One would think she would have begged off, made an excuse or something. Then to be out putting up flyers with him? Not to mention 5 minutes after he left Satsuma she could have told the truth (if JO is the truth) and LE would have had him before he hit the state line….Misty is lying, they couldn’t risk the remains being found before decomposition took place. I’m sure of it.
Yes. HGM, makes perfect sense except they were trafficking pills and probably guns too and is why he didn’t tell LE. because he would have to admit to LE that he was a pill pusher. Maybe even dealing in guns.. possibly higher caliber type guns ans fully automatic who knows.Did LE ever mention the type of gun they took in possesion?
Hey all,
Possibly Haleigh was removed from the home alive; chloroform could have been used to do this efficiently.
The gun has to be involved, imo. There is just too much denial about the gun for it not to be involved.
I think this was planned, premeditated, and that the target was Ron. I am convinced he did not know anything about this in advance but his lifestyle led up to what happened, and he figured that out fairly early on. I believe RC could have screwed someone over big time; possibly a criminal act involving that gun. Either the gun was stolen by RC, or he used it in a crime against someone; either way, someone sought revenge. They got their revenge by taking his “heart.”
Misty was there and she was threatened. RC figured out what went down but did not have the resources to confront those who did this.
I do not think Joe was involved. Joe is convenient; his presence in the area at the time is just coincidence, imo. I cannot accept that Joe was involved in Haleigh’s disappearance simply because RC would not be frightened of Joe; RC would have wasted no time racing to TN to confront Joe.
Misty may really not know who took Haleigh or where they took her, but if she failed a poly on that, it is because of a nervous reaction to the questions, because she was there when it happened and saw the person(s) take Haleigh. Misty was frightened into silence. Seriously frightened. And RC was silenced as well; he may not know the actual perp(s) physically present that carried out the deed, but he knows who ordered it, and he knows it is someone that cannot be taken down easily.
This is about drugs and guns, and some very scary people. I remember listening to a version of the 911 call that had RC saying, “We’re f***ed! I didn’t have nothing to do with this!” RC has mislead this investigation from the very beginning…with all his talk about Joe and the gators. He talked about that with Cobra way back when. Misty and Tommy have not sat in jail concocting that story; they heard it from Ron.
So…there’s a theory for ya…pick it apart as much as you want.
God point(s) there Karon….
Plausible denieablity? It could be true.
Also, if JO and/or Tommy did that to Haleigh, why would they remove her shirt and then put it in the dirty clothes pile? You would think it would have just been cast aside somewhere in the MH or taken with him/them. Why did it take days to find? Wasn’t there something like 5 days before the shirt issue came up? Wouldn’t LE have found it thee that first morning if it had been in the dirty clothes pile or ANYWHERE within that MH?
Something 7;
No I don’t believe LE mentioned the caliber…Ron mentioned the gun, and since it fit into a relatively small area (culvert behind a verticle piece of wood) it was a hand gun, the 9mm Barretta, I think Misty said.
Good points about the gun trade & pill trade.
HGM:
Was the gun turned over early on, or was the gun turned over after TM reported RC for having put the gun in his mouth in front of Jr? Was that the same gun? Did they hide that illegal gun out until LE had searched the place for HC? Was that what that was all about?
Also, I wondered if RC was afraid of JO from the start and that may have been the real reason for wanting to smash JO’s hands. He would be less of a threat to RC with smashed hands.
I noticed something else on those tapes, RC was concerned about LE finding that gun on ToC’s property. He seemed protective of ToC at that time. Later on things turned sour between RC and ToC.
cathartic;
Good theory and one I have not totally excluded as an option. I still believe that the “George” that Barbara Freeman talked about could be the Pill Mill George’s from South Florida. Maybe…. a tie to them with their “crime boss” partner (Columbo Family) could be significant. The most recent “Boss” for South Florida is a previously convicted kidnapper. I still think it’s possible that the old boss reached out to the new boss for tips.
The only flaw I see to that theory is that now they are all behind bars and not such easy targets (lock up ,etc) why not come clean about what they really know? They are going to spend a lot of time in jail/prison…especially if found quilty of her murder. I would risk a hit by mob rather then keep silent about it, JMO.
referring to the statments by HS in the audio, I think she was referring to being ahead of the game and ppl picking up their ‘steps’ in reference to them talking about Ron testifying to her being sweet and innocent(NOT) at trial. her mom said he MIGHT be there and she retorted back that she already KNEW he would be there and that they were 10 steps ahead of the game (on that issue). From the audio she clearly has no clue what the difference between Not guilty( going to trial) and NO CONTEST ( not contesting it ) really means! Apparently there was backseat video that wasn’t shown but showed her with pills in the backseat and since youth offender was not available to her then NO CONTEST was all she could do. I dont think the ‘picking up their steps comment meant anything to do with haleigh.
Anyone remember the dude’s name that Misty wanted to visit her?
Tallent
but maybe “they” had threatened to murder more family members that aren’t in jail right now. RC would have no way to protect them since he is locked up. imo
nevermind I know
On the 9-1-1 call, there was alot of rushing around, possibly, cleaning up. There were dirty clothes all over the place, according to TN. The shirt could have been picked up and put in a dirty clothes pile, accidentally, like the beds were made.
I wonder if they are really convinced they will spend a lot of time in prison. And even in prison they might not be safe.
The bosses in these drug dealings are some very nasty people indeed. They go about their business unscathed; LE cannot keep up because these people are cloaked by so many layers of other players. LE gets only the bottom players; the big fish are rarely caught. And if they are, they don’t snitch.
I just can’t imagine this being a situation where Haleigh was harmed by Misty, Tommy, Joe, or anyone at that level…and Ron not finding out about it and taking care of business himself. I do believe he loved Haleigh, and he would not let this go unpunished. The only scenario in which I might believe such low-level players are responsible is if Ron himself killed Haleigh. And that would have to have been unintentional–perhaps discipline gone wrong, Haleigh is fine when he leaves for work but takes a turn for the worse later on.
I think Misty would cover for Ron in that scenario. I do not think Tommy or Joe or Timmy or whoever…would cover for Ron in that scenario.
It’s just unfathomable that Misty would sit by and allow Joe and Tommy to do what Granny Flo has described. I just can’t see it. I mean, even if that happened and she was paralyzed with fear at the time, wouldn’t she come clean about it to LE as soon as Joe was out of town? And she went to TN for a visit…seems to me she would not do that if she feared Joe.
JMO.
Karon;
At first I thought the same thing about Tommy and the gun issue…then I realized that Ron was saying that if the gun had been found by LE (or himself for that matter) in the culvert/ditch that LE would say “Well, anybody could have put it there”. Ron meant that had the gun actually been found on Tommy’s property he/LE could say he or JO stole it but found in an open area where anyone & everyone had access to, it could have been put there by anybody.
Your reasoning for Ron wanting to smash JO’s hands does sound plausible. I do wonder though…people I would normally be afraid of I would just want to stay away from and would find it difficult to speak so passionately about harming them. Ron seemed almost gleefull about it. He truely felt in his right to be able to do so too.
karon;
I agree about the cleaning up issue….WOndering why clean up to protect JO and/or Tommy? COuld she really have been that frightened of him/them? I have a hard time thinking that JO or even Tommy, for that matter could have scared her that much. I mean Haleigh was already missing and the whole country stood up to take notice, could she really believe that they would get away with another murder or murders to make good on his/their threat? It’s just not logical.
I don’t think MC feared JO. It could have been an accident, a revenge kidnapping. I do think drugs and guns are at the center of this.
Things were so wild on so many fronts in these people’s lives, anything could have happened. If they were all covering up, because they were in on getting rid of HC’s body, that would answer alot of questions.
I thought at one point M said that she knew they were coming to steal the gun. Does anyone else remember this? I think she knew something was going to happen that night and that is why she did not want to babysit. imo
HGM .. only one kid was taken. a good reason for keeping silent against what they know.. if it was only his life left he might go PUNISHER style on ppl but with another kid around he has to be going crazy especially if he thinks the same could happen again. From Rons mentality its not just a threat, it has already happened it is very real. Good reason to not talk especially if he doesn’t think LE has the capacity and resources to protect another kid. Even if not in jail now and he did talk he would have to be relocated with a new name but he now he was recognizable. He may be up to his eyeballs in the worst situation imagineable bcz the news made him easily recognizable so he may have had no other choices in his mind but to accept and move on knowing his debts caused his daughters death and making sure to keep his boy alive now by not making too many statements. Just a possibility. Might seem like its a fictional story and easy to forget the disconnect but in one persons reality this is completey REAL.
Hope:
I think MC did say that.
Something 7:
There was alot of fear in TN about JR being taken, at first.
When RC was arrested DCF and CS had a secret meeting, and they got Jr. out of there right away. Things usually take a little time. Maybe, there was fear that Jr. would be left too vulnerable with only GGSykes to protect him. If anyone wanted to send RC a message to stay quiet, Jr. could be the next child taken.
Hope…I do seem to remember her saying that or something like it…
SOmething 7
I see what you mean…why Ron might lie about certain things, dealings with guns. It seems JO was the “fall guy” from day 1 so I just wondered why Ron would deny their “fight”.
I also think it is a case of Haleigh hit her head in a fall, whether a bike accident or fall from getting between R & M or fall from being knocked down. I am even considering the Misty hit her in the head with a piece of wood theory/senario. (What if she struck her by accident outside, then later Haleigh had problems with head injury)I still am not convinced that Ron killed her on purpose, I just feel that they didn’t seek medical attention, for whatever reason, and it resulted in Haleigh dying and they knew they’d be in trouble for not seeking medical attention. Maybe….
HGM, if the pink shirt was tossed on top of thepile while quickly leaving it would have been found much quicker, as you said. not in the middle of the pile in a basket.
the story about four dark shadowy figures standing above her and her keeping quiet is stating to sound more easonable if you accept that drug debts to a crime family may have caused this… but then again why the bricked door.. they would just make there way in and leave unless they forced her to put everything the way it was and told her to give her bf a message that he better not say a word or others could be taken or that he might not see her alive again, Reason they seem to cover for each other.
I was just thinking that maybe MC knew RC had screwed over someone and she was scared to be there alone with the children.
Wow interesting theories being brought up and nipped also. See y’all Sunday !
Hope:
I heard early on that RC was in a fight with someone over a drug deal the afternoon before HC went missing that night. That was before everything was hushed up.
Then WBG said he had heard that RC walked right into somebody’s drug den and robbed them. He said that took some nerve.
OK…sorry to pipe in with that theory of mine. It is not my main theory but one I have never completely discounted. It was bottom of list for awhile but now with the sensational stories coming out of Granny Flo, I have put this theory higher on my list.
It’s just not computing with me that any of the Granny Flo rants can be what really happened. I believe she was told those thing and is not making them up…but Ron could not be so blind as to not have seen through Misty, and his behavior from very early on spoke volumes about his not wanting the investigation to go where it should have gone.
The big question is WHY would he do that? It has to be that he knows the answer would get him into a heap of trouble. And not just with LE.
Good nite, Something 7.
Cathartic:
I think we always come back to that, not only with RC, but a number of people.
noone is scared of a little guy…. unless that little guy likes to point guns at ppl and not sure if he’s got an’itchy’ trigger finger. in other words act insane with a gun to back them up.. makes little ppl feel more powerful than they really are. Reason they’re showed off ‘gagnsta style on social sites and not just for hunting. Only using for hunting doesn’t send an ‘insane posse’ image. Its the measure of insanity and how far would this person go that instills fear ,not the actual stature of the person wielding them.
Karon – I wish I had come to the computer at the beginning of this because I was just watching NG then.I missed all of those discussions.
Cathartic – I agree and maybe not only him in a heap of trouble but also Jr. IMO
Good night something 7….
I think it’s possbile the clean up had to happen to keep LE from finding out about a vengence plot, so to speak. I mean she would have to cover their tracks to keep it quiet. I am wondering though….wouldn’t they just take the child quietly and let Ron and/or Misty take the fall? I mean it’s not like Ron would be able to give the money back or quickly come up with money owed so they would have to be prepared to murder Haleigh. I’m thinking right away, if this is the reason she was taken. WHy not just sneak in, take Haleigh, and let the dummies tak ethe fall without letting Ron or Misty know who was really to blame. Ie Misty knows but doesn’t know…same for Ron. They know it’s probably about XYZ but don’t know who exactly took her or where they took her to.
Then I start to think about the river search and issues surrounding it. Why would Tommy put himself there or knowledge about it if he can’t prove he didn’t do the deed?
True about Jr being in trouble, as far as DCFS but why would he keep silent about Haleigh being stolen by a vendetta type deal and then keep Jr in harms way? What would stop them from comming for Jr any night of the week?
I like the thoughts about people with guns and stature. Very true. I don’t see JO as being that big a “gansta” though. Wanna-be…absolutely but without some type of violent history or previous charges, what would make Ron so afraid of him? A gun? Did Ron fear that JO would come back from TN and kill him? or Jr? Misty? ….Really??? Didn’t Ron have a few guns of his own to protect himself & them with? Why be afraid of JO’s gun?
Just wanted to say that I really enjoy discussing these issues/theories with you guys and I in no way mean to discount anyone or their theory. I just try to answer with what thoughts I have after reading them. Not saying any one of them couldn’t be right or true, just voicing my opinion as to “holes” or questions that I have after thinking about it.
Something 7:
I believe JO is a very troubled young man. I think GMA Flo is telling that right.
..it may have started quietly but ended up noisy and so they blatanly left a message with her and put so much fear in her ,she knew they were SOL.
They got Tommy on a hook right now, he might just say anything to keep out of jail. He probably only hads knowledge of the pill operation and an idea of who it is basaed on that,,
Ive heard rons truck was out of commission.. grass growing around the tires..possibly on blocks when “ratgate” happened. Maybe it wasnt Ron after all. they saw media attention to someone in the know and had to make a ‘statement’. It was headless.! meaning dont squeal or….. Tommy has kids too remember… Remener TIMMY leaving town.. might have been a smart move. ( only if you buy into the crime family debt scenario)
Maybe, RC was warned (not by JO) to keep his mouth shut because next it would be Jr.
I think the reason I see JO’s myspace gun pic as not that big of a deal is due to the young men that I know or have met through my daughter, her boyfriend, or family members. There are several who would pose with a gun to make themselves look cool or bad but would NEVER take, rape, and murder a child.
The gun posing tells me he’s nothing trying to look like something….not bad…real bad would never leave a pic like that up after murdering a child or anything to look incriminating…but then again we have only to look at this case to find people or situations that are out side the norm.
Wow, this got crazy long, please remove if it is obnoxious, I will put this on my blog – click my name, and you can delete my ramblings if that would be better. I really got on a roll, so sorry for length, but here it goes:
Okay, so has LE said for sure the home was where she passed away? God bless her and keep her…
Because since we are brain storming, wouldn’t the dogs have hit on the house if it happened there? Even if they immediately removed her, they would not have had time to keep the smell the dogs hit on, from occurring imo, there would have been scrambling, calls made and a plan crafted, then she would have been moved. Plenty of time for the scent to be left for the dogs. right?
So, if there was a cleaning job, looks like Tommy found the supplies?? But, would that have covered it up? I am not an expert in the least on the dog abilities. If it was enough to cover it up, did LE keep their trash from then and maybe keep searching it or confiscating it, lots of leads from one’s trash.
With the light on in regards to the drug involvement, we see who is involved, Hope and all, so that leads one to believe she could have been hanging around that night also. That night could have been Misty’s night to “make up” to Ron by helping him with a drug deal. If you have any experience around someone involved in drugs, or watch true crime stories, you know the dealers have beepers and phones ringing off the hook. They often have many cell phones and so on. (Does LE have ALL the phone numbers? Was the drug sting done to get those numbers shook out of them so they could check into the calls made?)
Scenario – The phone is ringing… Misty and Ron and Hope and the gang are planning a big meet up with some dealers or buyers. This is a big deal and Ron may have a stand-in or cover at his place of employment who uses his “good” phone to ping for alabi, or to check in with a code (ring so many times means something, like get back to work, boss is coming, or calling to notify/verify drug commitments, etc.) Could his mom be the cover, as her presence at his work may not throw off co-workers as much and might explain her expedited presence and her LE jacket, which could have been to back the drug deal that night as part of a bigger plan they originally had for the evening.
(Maybe they were planning to have her come in at some point with it on to fake out the other dealers to make them run and nab their dope or something crazy like that – cheesy, but just a thought, so she is calling to check on when to arrive and they will answer when the time is right or something…)
Then while Ron ducks out of work unbeknownst (sp?)to his employer to make the
{“drug run” or the fake sting, or the drug trade/sale, or the set up to rip off a dealer/buyer…}
Mom helps by making those calls, and Misty is waiting for Ron with Hope and maybe Tommy and Joe and some others are in on it too.
The van was used.
Everyone admits the van was used that night, but no one wants to touch the van. No one wants to say they may have even moved it. Suspicious.
So, continuing on… they pile in the van
(which gained scratches, that I hope were analyzed excruciatingly), then either everyone goes including the kids – or they are left or one is left, alone – or – with someone:
{either one was sleeping and left home alone due to being asleep and thus “wouldn’t notice” they were gone, or both were going to be left, but one woke up and they couldn’t get that one to sleep or couldn’t wait to even try. Another reason would be Misty did stay home that night and would watch the sleeping child, but was to beat to watch the other who would not sleep, so Ron and the gang took her with them.} This would also validate Misty saying she was asleep and when she woke up she was gone.
The splitting up makes sense considering only one ended up missing, however unless it was selective harm, which would take some consideration and lean to someone close to them or who had been watching to know she lived there, or someone who has interest solely in her for any reason. This can include and exclude many depending on the theory obviously. But, it makes sense in some theories that they could have been separated that night.
Left alone:
One obvious theory is the one left was taken by the person they were left with, or an intruder, if left alone. Or, the one that was left ended up actually being the safest. (Misty could have been the one there with the one who was left alone, sleeping, after all the deals and scams were set up and everyone headed out.)
So, the van trip, (which Misty acknowledges in her interview on the couch or whatever awhile back, – you guys brought to my attention the other day), well it coincides with the “moved van” stories and validates she at least knew people used the van, even if she was not in it the whole time.
Now they head out to meet up with the dealer or buyer and still have one child along. This could be either, first theory – HaLeigh is with them and the deal: (Supported by dog scent leading to the road or other places not in the home.)
It goes sour or she is used as part of the trade in some way, an accident occurs. The possibilities are endless here really but you can imagine what could have happened. This would include her getting into the drugs at the location of the deal while attention was being made on the money and the deal, etc. and she got curious or tried to be like the adults.
This would also include them using what was on hand (drugs) to quiet her so they could leave her in the van to make the run “easier”, it could have even been with intent to keep her safe from the drug deal, or while they partied with the dealer/buyers (which could be backed by nay nay’s letter a long time ago about a party and her being thrown into a river). This goes wrong, terribly, and so, having her in the van (or some other person’s vehicle from the party) at this point, they go to the house and get some bricks and rope, etc., and used the rope and bricks while in the car, to not bring evidence into THEIR homes, and you know the rest by where LE was searching.
This could explain the back door issue if Misty WAS really asleep, they used the same bricks on their mind as they frantically looked for “what to grab to fix the situation”, as what they were propping the door open with. Remember, the door that slams hard once open and they knew it, so propping it open while they frantically grabbed supplies to clean up and dispose of evidence, would not WAKE her and jr. up.
Then, Someone throws something in the dumpster that touched HaLaigh. Not sure what, but they did because the dogs hit there, or she was there and as they got frantic, the decide that would be the first place the LE would look, so she is moved and as they run in and out of the house, they think of the bricks they have propping the door open and decide to use them.
Also, this would nearly prove Ron was there because of his admission about the door being locked and obviously he doesn’t hand out keys, so he would have had to unlock it initially and he would also know to prop it open to prevent it from slamming shut and making a loud noise. The propping the door open in this scenario could also prove they did it because they knew Misty was asleep and they didn’t want to wake her, which those who would do that would be those who knew she was there asleep and those who knew the door would slam shut loudly, oh, ya and they had a KEY.
Ron and Misty also said they would use that door only for things like “cleaning/detailing out their car” in an interview with Gretta, I believe – so were they? Was that a “tell”?
The door explanation with being propped open etc., also plays true if cleaning out the car from a tragedy during the previous scenario drug run/deal/party, with or without Misty’s knowledge. She could also have been with them all along.
Ron clears his alibi by running back and clocking out of work, then buying beers, etc. this leaves mom close and aware of at least some events, (If and only IF the “Ron leaving work” scenario was true), or all and maybe helps clean up (look at Cindy’s help cleaning up evidence galore, it must be instinctive to clean up after a troubled child, so it would not be out of the realm of possibilities and would explain her odd behavior.) She also could be involved in the drug deal scenario with her LE jacket on for some reason, remember – she in an interview with Nancy, discussed on what Oxycontin tastes like, in way to much detail (“tells” of lying about her story at the time)- proclaiming they don’t have drugs around or whatever, I forget, but to much info., could mean lying about her story, however she let us know she knows what it tastes like. In the way she told, many claim only one who uses it incorrectly would know that. I think it is possible it is innocent though, because even taking it correctly you could taste it if it fell onto your tongue. Different brands have also different coatings. This still gives us the knowledge she has taken them before and COULD be using them.
This tragedy could even have occurred way after the deal goes successfully and they all are celebrating/hiding out at the dock or party pad, with some beers Ron provides,(Check surveillance for him buying beer, oh ya, he already made sure he was on tape.) At this point, she is playing around the dock and slips in the water, or someone pushes her in fun or purposely, as they are all most likely on something, and something terrible happens.
The incident could have happened way before the beer was bought and would make sense as this seemed like Ron’s attempt at an alibi. They then had plenty of time to cover up.
Children services:
Speech avoiding incriminating themselves:
The sleeping in the bed together and distance apart could be explained (IF it has nothing to do with anything) by the fact they have been in trouble by children services before and probably have a case plan which basically would give them limits, rules, guidelines, etc. and would threaten them with loss of custody and such if they did not follow the rules set forth. This could also be another reason for the webbing, this and to prevent testifying against each other and Ron being with a minor. Anyway, this has to be reviewed semi-annually at least in front of the judge depending on how much danger they thought the children were in. I believe that is right though. This would make them fear to say they were in the same bed or that Ron was to heavy handed with them (as per interview by Geraldo), and would seem like a lie about the case, when it was only to cover from further cs investigations which would make them lose jr. and possibly face charges. So, those answers should not distract you imo.
I enjoy discussing all of these possibilities as well with all of you. We are bouncing all kinds of ideas out there and not closing any doors.
Hope;
I can see that as being a possibility…
I try to put myself in Ron’s position on something like that and I would automatically be thinking…what’s to keep them from taking Jr anytime they want? Even if I kept silent? With 2 kids gone missing Ron would certainly be in the soup…couldn’t keep quiet the second time or he’d def get trial for murder. So how valid could a threat like that be? Why risk it? Why not come clean right away?
Threats to TN or GGMS follow the same reasoning for me. If either of them turned up missing or dead due to odd circumstances, it would be a huge red flag to LE…so would crime boss risk it? Maybe….?
Might not even be so much a mafia crime family as it is a gang related scenario that gets big quantities of ‘goods’ from across the border. Kinda the same but you can see where I’m going there I think. like a Latin gang. In the end the crime family’s hold the gangs leashes though. They are their watchdogs and pushers. The foot soldiers of the top families.
HGM:
We are not setting anything in stone. We are discussing, not saying any one theory is right, or wrong. I will say this, with all of these people, this case has so many angles. I have never seen anything like it. All I can say is drugs and guns seem to be at the center of the tangled up mess. That is all I know.
LE knows more than they are telling, and Tommy’s trip to the river meant something important. If AH is right, LC is beginning to be unsure of Tommy’s part in all this. I don’t think he is a killer, however.
HGM @ 3:54:
I think if it was revenge, they wanted him to know why this was done. They didn’t care if he went to jail over it or not…they wanted to send him a powerful message.
That is, IF this is what happened. And if it is, his transgression must have been huge.
But it’s just a theory like many others that have been discussed. I am just throwing it out here; I’m not trying to convince anyone this is what went down.
So, thanks for putting up with me. I will go silent once again. Everyone take care.
I agree that much of the issues we are trying to discern have to do with hiding info from Child Services in order to keep Jr.
My question then becomes….
Why would Ronald sacrifice Haleigh and hopes of retrieving her only to protect Jr? By staying silent about vengence abduction he willingly allows her murderer to remain free all while the killer may return for JR at any time.
It does make me feel that Ron knew Haleigh’s fate since day 1….no matter what theory we are working on. Even JO & Tommy theory.
theres more than just one pill sting tape.. there were several in that one month. were they making money to pay bills or to pay off debts.. at thae pace i saw it seemed like a lot of scrambling to make money.. they wernt just caught twice or thrice it was like 10 or more i think. it seemed like a daily trade going on and for large quantities. Did any of the dope houses with the addresses they entered to buy get busted too?
cathartic…don’t go silent….it’s been great hearing your thoughts and ideas….Let’s continue.
I haven’t checked into it yet Something 7…
Might make for interesting content though.
I’ve known people who deal pills and such and they are just like these guys. Buys or sells can happen any time of the day or sometimes night. If the dealer doesn’t have a real job anyway…Deals happening all day long, anytime there is money to be made.
HGM, I think in order for Ron to go to LE about a revenge kidnapping, he would have to tell them who he suspects, and why.
It’s the *why* that he doesn’t want LE to know about. He knew he could do nothing for Haleigh at that point. He grieved, and he moved on, with a lesson learned.
Oh GAWD here I go on and on with this. OK, I really am done now.
thinking back… KP trying to get jr out of that house doesn’t seem so bad now and I was not a KP fan. in retrospect she was right about getting that kid out of there now that we know what we know today. crazy how DCF saw none of this even when presented to them. This whole case is crazy. see ya sunday im out for real this time.. its way late.
I am turning in before I go to sleep, right here. I enjoyed tossing ideas around with all of you. Good nite. I think we are going to know something soon. That sheriff looked too happy during that search. They found out something valuable, and it wasn’t only based on someone’s word.
Good night to all of you!
Good night everyone.
I had a thought earlier tonight I am going to look into. TOmmy’s LDT was March 26? When did the Palatka memorial bridge search jump off? Prior or post TC LDT? COuld he have sent them to both locations?
Cathartic, I do see your point.
Another thing that came to mind during the transcribing of the audios. When Ron talked to Cobra about turning around twice to see who was following him sounded like Ron would take the offensive should he be in a road rage type of senario…RRII? After what he told Cobra about following whomever had been following him, even if he had to shoot them or get shot….anybody?
HGM:
Tommy took the LDT and had a meeting with his lawyer, and LE that afternoon and went to the river with them that same evening. The search started the next morning.
RC would be violent and try to get to someone first, before they got to him. I would think.
I will never believe ToC was at home in bed with LC that night, and his taking them to the river, most likely, shows that. Good night, for real. I am fading out.
Karon;
Thank you….I couldn’t remember about those dates. The two seemed so close together and since it’s the same river I had wondered about it.
I think RC had no problems with chasing down someone who had been following him or that he thought posed a threat. Not even with 2 kids in the car/truck.
Could he be paranoid about it due to gangland type activity? If so, why not more fear about demanding to know who it was?
SO many questions…..not enough answers, lol.
I agree about Tommy being out that night. I also now believe that Timmy was “out” as well.
Good night….
I guess the word imminent could be interpreted in different ways, but I think NG needs to read the definition: which is, ‘likely to occur at any moment.’
Thank you for your honesty and updated on the Haleigh case Simon! I appreciate you sharing what you can and clarifying your source instead of making up Bombshells! I wish that everyone(Media/Journalist/Bloggers), that reporton on this case would also clarify what is fact, fiction, theory, and opinion. Maybe we wouldn’t have to weed through all the nonsense and make sense of what really happen to Haleigh.
Simon Barrett said,
in April 30th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
I want to stop something before it starts. The document is one that I wrote, and various others have contributed to. For a variety of reasons, not everyone is willing or able to to put their name on it.
It is a discussion about the timeline.There is much to be learned if you know where to look.
So no, this is no BOMBSHELL. It is just the result of a long conference call with some folks I know
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Southernvagirl said,
April 30th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
April 30th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
April 30th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
I remember last week you told us someone was gong to LE and the next mornng to pick up the videos,,,,,then nothng else was said…..WHY do you tell us you are getting the videos and then NOTHING ????????????????? Where are the latest videos,,,please….this case goes on and on and on and on,,,,,,,atleast LE is making the videos available to the public,,,,,why do you drop the ball and not follow thru when you say,,,we would have the vids…….
PLEASE BE PATIENT! IMO, if Simon was able to share the audio he would have. We have to remember Simon has a life and does the best he can to keep us informed and updated. He does not have to take the time to do this for us, but he does. We do not know the reasons why he has not shared the audios and we should not beat him up over it. He said he had someone going to pick them up, we do not know if that someone made it, had an emergency or what the reason may be. Out of respect we should just ask “Once” politely and leave it at that. In time he will share what he can. Not being mean, just saying we should be considerateto one another and understand that sometimes things just don’t work out as planned. Simon has no obligation to anyone, yet he and Jan have taken the time to do their best to keep us informed, and as most know Jan is not in the best of health. So please, be patient, send prayers and have faith.
P.S. Hope Peter Hyatt will be on the show again. I find his knowledge very interesting.
Good Morning Simon and Jan,
In regards to the time line you mentioned; I was just wondering if it would possible involve BNN shows, articles and comments over the last few months or is it LE’s time line y’all are brain storming about?
P.S. I know where to look….. here at BNN!
There are only two original premises to base
a theory on. Misty was lying in the beginning or telling the truth and just can’t pass a polygraph.
I’m basing this theory on
Premise 2: Misty was not lying with original story.
She was falling asleep & saw Jr. leaving the room. He turns on kitchen light cause it was dark in the house. Comes back to bed later.
Tommy had left the back door open for Joe to come and get the gun later that night.
Joe comes in propping open the door to exit quietly.
Haleigh wakes up. Joe grabs her and pulls her shirt over her mouth or neck to quiet her.
Shirt comes off he throws it on floor. Or in basket.
Maybe if it’s true jr. saw someone or heard someone with squeaky shoes he wakes up at the end of this and sees Joe leaving with Haleigh.
Maybe Misty wakes up and see’s it or maybe not.
When she wakes up at 3:00 she does freak out cause Haleigh is gone.
So, why if Ron suspects Joe doesn’t he react by doing something?
For one maybe he has hopes he didn’t kill her yet. Two maybe he doesn’t respond cause he doesn’t know for sure that is what happened. Maybe he plans on doing something quietly (throwing out the trash) when he knows more certainly.
Ron likes to put on an innocent front. Geraldo interview comes to mind. He doesn’t do drugs, et. If he were trafficking at the time he would be in a hushed state.
Misty and Joe putting up flyers? Maybe Misty was putting them up and Joe just showed up and started putting them up too.
Maybe the recent stories from Misty, FH & Tommy are them making up scenario’s to pacify LE. Thats why they keep changing.
Maybe the simplest explanation is the accurate one.
Oh and why did Misty hang with Joe in TN? Don’t know for sure that she did, and if she did I have no idea.
Feel free to shoot this down, I am just brain storming other possibilities.
Have a nice day!!
Well, over the last few weeks, with all the bombshells, the theories have started again..
Do we know more now than we knew two weeks ago.. NO!! Just more confusion has been thrown into the pot… Did Tommy really lie in September? Who knows, he lied on his poly and thats why we are here right this moment in a confused state… Was Joe involved? Who knows, I surely don’t.. Was Misty responsible all on her own? I don’t know?? Has HaLeigh really been a victim of a horric crime? I don’t know..
And then the age old quesiton.. Is Haleigh alive? Still in all, I don’t know…. But, one thing I do know, none of us.. Know the answer..
What does PCSO have that is the deal breaker??
I couldn’t begin to answer that question, but I do know one thing.. They are not going to tell us anything until after an arrest has been made, and that arrest will not come about until this is a slam dunk!! Which means they have concrete evidence… See, once they make an arrest.. everyting is available.. and I am sure that the State Prosecuter is not going to touch this as a Murder case until they have the evidence for a slam dunk!!! Too much public involvement..
At this point all the brain storming in the world is not going to go anywhere.. And the more untruths put out are not helping.. This is one element I don’t understand.. If any bloggers are feeding distant family members absolute total garbage, knowing that they will release this garbage on the public, what is the purpose? and what group or groups are these bloggers attached to.. See, we have a new one out.. That seems to be changed from one released a few weeks ago.. but now it has a twist.. Witness claimed they saw Misty carring a black bag, near the river area.. Well, gee thats been changed to Misty carring a black bag from Ron’s house the night Haleigh disappeared..
What is the purpose in this?? Why the twist??
Is it gossip gone wrong?? Or does someone have an agenda??
Last question.. If misty, tommy and joe are the only people involved in HaLeigh gone missing.. What has all of the crap involving all of the two families been about for the last 14 months??
It would appear to me that all the legit reporters on this case give us info drip by drip…Madj, you tell me to be patient,,,,,I have been and I am totally sickened by the liars and the dragging on and on of thgis case…atleast give us the videos to ponder, while LE trys to figure out what happened to Haleigh…Madj, you said Simon and this site doesnt have to give us anything, and they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts,,,,well, they have chosen to report the Haleigh case and they are making money like everyone else on the Haleigh case,,,so I ask again,,,why dont they produce the videos like they told us they were going to?????? I dont need to be talked down too, and I dont need you to tell me how I should feel….period. Just, SIMON dont say you are getting the vids and then make us wait, having to come back here daly, to find them,,,,If you arent going to explain why you arent showing them,,,then why tell us you are going to put them up???
The only thing that is sure in this case is that none of these players can be trusted to tell the truth, PERIOD!!!!! Hope LE is busy doing the old fashioned gumshoe detective work because that is the only thing that will solve this.
P.S. I didn’t believe for one minute when Tommy said he was at the trailer knocking anyway!
Tommy definitely was said to be at the mh at 5pm per Misty. The a/c guy as well. This time of year it is completely dark at 6pm.
Misty telling the truth in the hypnosis video. I disagree. Misty was not under hypnosis or she would have given the examiner the accountability for the date he asked for Feb 10, 2009; not Feb 9th, 2009. Misty knew good and well what she was doing. She was staying on script.
Do I believe this all had to with guns and drugs. Yes, it is a great possibilty, due to what we know now.
Cathartic and Hope I believe you two are on to something. Do I believe Misty had knowledge that something was going down that night and did not want to be there, very plausible. Misty says in the hypnosis vid. Noone told her they were coming for her meaning Haleigh in this statement. Ron is involved in Haleighs murder due to his life style and yes they all could of been threatened if they opened their mouths that Jr. and other family members lives could be at stake. There is a great possibility these individuals came in and killed Haleigh and left her there to be disposed of by the family( GOD FORBID).
Ms. p, I did see your post about the timeline I had posted prior. Refresh my memory is it the one from about last week? The one I was talking about the rumor that went through Satsuma that caused a major dominoe effect?
Simon and Jan thank you both sooo much for this blog. TJ I hope you are doing well and I am so glad to be hearing you again about this case. I think Peter Hyatt is a very interesting man and his job intrigues me.
Southernvagirl, My deepest apologies if you feel I was talking down to you. I can understand your frustration, as I to am very frustrated and get impatient and have to vent from time to time and even walk away for a few days. My intention was not to talk down to you.
As for Simon making money, this is the first I have ever heard this, if he is well it’s not my business we all have to make a living as long as it is in an honest way. But IMO, I really don’t think he is making a dime.
He is not selling anything, I have never had to pay to read his blog.
Having his own blog and talk show cost him money. My husband is in the Internet business, and it’s not easy. I could be wrong though..I don’t know and don’t care. I just appreciate what any reporter/journalist/media/blogger has to share that is based on facts.
We all want the same thing, to find Haleigh and find the person responsible for her disappearance.
Again…not talking down to ya sweetie, it is frustrating and I to want more audio/video really BAD!!! LOL…hint Simon.. We just have to wait.
Again, My apologies, Have a blessed Day!
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Southernvagirl said,in May 1st, 2010 at 8:53 am It would appear to me that all the legit reporters on this case give us info drip by drip…Madj, you tell me to be patient,,,,,I have been and I am totally sickened by the liars and the dragging on and on of thgis case…atleast give us the videos to ponder, while LE trys to figure out what happened to Haleigh…Madj, you said Simon and this site doesnt have to give us anything, and they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts,,,,well, they have chosen to report the Haleigh case and they are making money like everyone else on the Haleigh case,,,so I ask again,,,why dont they produce the videos like they told us they were going to?????? I dont need to be talked down too, and I dont need you to tell me how I should feel….period. Just, SIMON dont say you are getting the vids and then make us wait, having to come back here daly, to find them,,,,If you arent going to explain why you arent showing them,,,then why tell us you are going to put them up???
Southernvagirl said,
in May 1st, 2010 at 8:53 am …..
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If you can’t understand the words that we are still trying to get those videos then I am sorry for you. Simon has his plate full right now yet he is still working on getting those videos or audio tapes on here for you.
If you are insinuating that Simon is a liar, then YOU are very wrong. He is the most honest person I know and if he didn’t think at the time that he could get those tapes to publish on BNN for demanding people like you, then he would have never said he could.
This case is indeed a very strange one. Nothing seems normal, because it isn’t normal. You don’t know who you can trust and who you can’t. We do our best to give you all the news as we can verify it but sometimes we can’t verify things. You have NO idea how hard it is in this case to get certain items to give the public because everything they give out are usually leaked out when they aren’t suppose to be.
As always we try to respect the people who read our articles and participate in the discussions through the comments but sometimes we are rubbed a bit too far to keep quiet. So with that said I think it is only fair to say to you that if you don’t like what we report or if you consider us liars then why the hell are you still here? No one is forcing you to be here. We appreciate support from our readers but how many times are we suppose to hold back out thoughts of inconsiderate comments like you made above.
Forgive me if I sound harsh but as you can see we try the best we can to make you all happy. Yes we chose to report and follow this case but the one thing we are NOT is liars.
And btw… we DO NOT make a penny for reporting on this case. In fact it is opposite from that because the time we spend on this case takes us away from our job that does pay us. We are not rich retired people that can afford to just report on missing children cases as a hobby. BNN doe not pay us anything but we still try to keep you all up to date with what is going on in the cases. I really resent anyone accusing us of doing this to make money off it. Unlike some reporters we know, NO ONE pays us to cover this story and I am really tired of people like you Southernvagirl accusing us of doing this for the money. How many times do we have to say it before you get it in your head that we are NOT GETTING PAID!
For those of you that have supported us throughout both the Caylee Anthony and Haleigh Cummings cases, we thank you for the bottom of our hearts, but for those that don’t appreciate the hard work Simon and I do, then my advice to you is to just don’t come back in here.
God Bless You All!
Jan Barrett
HollysGmom: Thanks so much for the map/diagram – I lost my connection last night. Also, great 2:22 post – I couldn’t agree more. Everyone keeps coming up with theories and the x-factor always seems to be (imo) Ron’s behavior.
Also Chromedaffodils’ marathon post was really interesting and plausable in my mind. I don’t think Ron left work though and that hurts part of your theory. I could be wrong – not sure why I am so sure of that? The take on why Theresa might be wearing the LE jacket was interesting.
Ms.Perodot, I sent you a pm. I just wanted to let you know where the post is about the timeline you mentioned and since I am not good at retrieving a post from somewhere else and posting it here you may post it here on this article if you wish to.
Nice post Jan – some people amaze me. I’m sure you know this but I believe most people ignore posts like Southernvagirl – I read until something gets stupid and nasty and just skip right over it.
Thanks for all you do.
JillF – ditto to your 10:12am post.
LFJ – Could you resend this? Thanks!!
“Refresh my memory is it the one from about last week? The one I was talking about the rumor that went through Satsuma that caused a major dominoe effect?”
Jan:
So sorry you had that thrown at you. I’ve only found your site here in the last few weeks and love it. Between you, Simon, Levi, and along with Art’s tid bits here and there, this info keeps those of us that are truely interested in justice for this precious little girl, updated. I know and understand that information in an investigation such as this is very difficult to come by. LE must be very careful not to tip their hand too much or expose too much info. Especially when dealing with the quality of people involved in this investigation.
This site becomes very combative at times and I’ve been verbally chastised for my opinion. I come back tho just for updates and info.
Keep up the great work and enjoy the blog/radio program immensely.
Thanks so much!
Chromedaffodils regarding your post at 1:54 am,
You hit the nail right on the head.
For some reason Hope believes that this is all a “game”. Hope lied to her Mother about her own level of participation in the drug deals, not to forget mention that she was extremely disrespectful to her own Mother.
imo Hope believed that she was large and in charge enough to sit there and say that she wasn’t going to do this or that in regards to her sentencing.
A serious false sense of entitlement imvho.
I believe that these people have all likely been doing illegal activities and have built themselves up as untouchables. They knew how the laws and court system had worked in the past. (Note Ron’s previous arrest records and how he seemed to have skated out of those charges.)
Thing is….There is a new Sheriff in town and if you go by the drug stings that have occurred in the area since he took charge then it would be easy to come to the conclusion that this new Sheriff is well aware of the “game” mentality and that he obviously means business.
This new Sheriff imvho is the game changer.
As for Haleigh’s case and all the lies that are being told,
What is the difference between a Pathological, a Compulsive, a Chronic, and a Habitual Liar?
They all have the same goal which is to tell lies.
People lie in order to deflect attention away from the truth.
Some people are saying that Misty and the bunch are lying only to get out of jail. I don’t 100% doubt that. I think that they are very possibly lying to get out of jail but too I think they are also continuing to lie to deflect attention away from the truth about their own possible involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance.
imvho the inconsitancies began long before the lot of them were arrested on the drug charges. They began when Haleigh was reported as missing and when Misty’s account of what happened that night/early morning just didn’t add up.
all mvho.
JillF, I do not know how to resend a post from another post. That is why I contacted ms. P because she mentioned it on this post. I let her know she could post on this article if she wishes to do so.
You can find it in the archives April 20th, 2010. Article: Some Comments From Tim Miller. It is posted on 4/21/2010 @ 9:02am.
JillF: Ditto. I do the same. Scroll down.
Ron’s behavior from the very beginning has shown knowledge of or involvement in something to do with HaLeigh’s disappearence. Starting with making all the calls to Misty that night and not leaving work to check on his children and from there it just got worse.
Tuff you are spot on.
And a lot of us appreciate all that you give us Jan and Simon. I’m come to this site because it is the best information on Haleigh. You get the info out as fast as you can without embellishing the truth like other media persons. Do I even have to say who I’m talking about?
I think people forget that nobody would rather know more about Haleigh than her family members who aren’t involved and truly don’t know what happened to her and loved her dearly. They are hurting most of all. They are the ones who “deserve” an answer.
Thanks for all you guys do.
You know stillucy, I still do not understand the nebulizer for Haleigh missing. In the back of my mind it says to me that if LE really have decided Haleigh is deceased then she cannot be using it. It could very well be the murder weapon. Teresa Neves is right that Haleigh would not have liked the bitter taste, but if they somehow diluted it to a liquid and dispensed it through the nebulizer Haleigh inhaled the meds. jmo
Jan, I DID NOT CALL YOU OR sIMON LIARS,,,,,I was referring to the players in THIS case…..I asked a queston many days ago, directly to yall about the videos, that were supposed to have been picked up and put on for our (your readers) perusal…. …I really dont care who gets paid or not,,, just wanted to know why or where the vids were,,,that is all…..since your site said you would have them for us…..No one bothered to answer that queston for me as I am sure there are plenty who visit this site wanted to know the same. thing.
Here is the post – really interesting: Also, nebulizer theory makes so much sense – so sad.
looking for Justice said,in April 21st, 2010 at 9:02 am You know I think LE may have had early knowledge that Haleigh was already deceased.
In July 2009, a rumor went through Satsuma alledging that Haleigh had overdosed. First she was put in the dumpster and then removed to be put elsewhere. Aug 6th I believe 2009 Misty was suppose to have called Tommy and their parents to come and get her. Ronald and Tommy fought and Ronald went to jail. Misty took a restraining order out on Tommy and then Ron and Misty put the decapitated rat in Tommys mail box per Ronald to Tim Miller and I believe Tim is credible with this info. Soon after on August 17th 2009 PCSO relased a statement that Misty is the Key and that Ronald and Crystal were not suspects in their daughter Haleigh Cummings disappearance. Then came the failed poly, voice stress and hypnosis from Tim Miller. Sept. 21st Tommy tells LE Ron called him and wanted him to go over and check on Misty he could not reach her. Tommy puts himself there at the mh. Ronald said he and Misty had a tiff, nothing big and called Tommy to see if Misty was over there and he did not ask Tommy to go the mh. Putnam Authorities did confirm the call from Ron to Tommy at 9pm. Then we hear about a Joe Pytco and NAY NAY letters alledging a party where Haleigh OD on Oxy Contin and was disposed of by WBG story and the draining of the momndex pond. Misty taking off with Donna Brock, road rage with these two, then the divorce of Ron and Misty and Ron finding out that Donna was an informant and texts Misty warning her of who Donna really was. LE was informed of a possible overdose with Haleigh well before those letters appeared. We already know that it was not Tommy, Misty , or even Ron giving LE this info, so I wonder who it was. I do not think it was coincidental as it being Haleigh was overdosed and it lead to her death. JMO
See you guys a little later. Gotta run for now. Take care
Jan, I did not call you or Simon liars,,,I was talking about all the players in this case…I do appreciate all that yall do, but would love to see and listen to the vids…I asked the queston last week and no one would answer…I am frustrated and want Haleigh found….
I’m not convinced that HaLeigh used a nebulizer. I was under the impression that she used a couple of inhalers for asthma symptoms on a daily basis. She may have had a nebulizer for more serious episodes. FYI, plugs into outlet, forces meds through a cup by a mist into a hose through a mask/mouthpiece into lungs. No taste involved. I hear some druggies use it to inhale some forms of narcotics.
This is where I have my first problem looking back……..
PCSO declared this was an abduction from the beginning and has not redacted that statement.
PCSO then declared within days that it was not a stranger that abducted HaLeigh and have maintained that theory and focus for 15 months.
PCSO stated that they believed HaLeigh was alive and hidden, months into the investigation.
PCSO has now stated that they have not found HaLeigh nor have they confirmed that they recovered evidence from the river or any where else for that matter,but feel confident in calling it a homicide.
Now this is also what makes no sense to me with the above out line; I have to ask what evidence did they find since day one to present that would of directed the investigation in this direction for 15 months if none of that evidence has led them to a suspect? Even after a massive search in the St. Johns river and “eyewitness statements” we still see no POIs named or even a suspect.
From the beginning PCSO has stated that the families where cooperating and did not seek legal council for the first month.
The Croslins have been the preferred focus and have been picked apart to the point I do not believe they are responsible for HaLeighs abduction (JMO) or know for certain who, how or where HaLeigh is (JMO).
IMO the fact that LE took Tommy serious based on a LTD and discussion with CS’s PI indicates to me that all the BS was again a theory being ruled in or out that would involve Jo.
Tommy is innocent, but, knows something? Right. All of sudden LE is taking the Croslins word because it is being collaborated by CS’s PI?
Misty is not guilty of anything but child endangerment based on Steven K Brown investigation?
Is it just me or is this seem like Ground hog day to anyone else?
On to everyone else…..
Crystal was the first to Lawyer up after Kim P. showed up in Satsuma the evening of March 11 and I will remind us all that Misty stated march 16th “Lawyers are for guilty people, I have nothing to hide,”. Someone must of finally told here you are guilty until you can prove you are innocent and she retained an attorney. Ron soon had no choice in the matter if he was going to be able to legally fight Crystal’s, Marie’s and Kim P.’s attacks and keep Jr he needed a lawyer.
I would like to remind us all that the second day after Haliegh’s abduction, HaLeigh’s mother’s family drew the line in the dirt and have been at a war ever since. The Sheffield’s came out swinging with public allegations made to news media, DCF investigation that was initiated and made public by Kim and last but not least the www smear campaign that ended up being confirmed in a Bar Complaint.
Jan 57 your are so right a free pass has been given and it is obvious we are not dealing with dumb, drugged out criminals that have turned on one another when the heat is non stop and LE refusing to look in any other direction. 15 months………IT pisses me off.
Haleigh, I am so sorry many seem to be so selfish or stupid to have not found you in time!
Disclaimer: I am pondering and sharing this theory. I am not accusing anyone, just laying out the details as I see them and All of my posts are JMO.
IIRC it has been said that Haleigh did not use the nebulizer consistantly. I have a nebulizer but only use it when I have upper respiratory issues. If that is the case and Haleigh was not using the nebulizer at that time then the significance of the nebulizer seems relatively small unless Haleigh was noted for having used it recently. The absence of the nebulizer could have been due to it being misplaced when R moved into the MH for that matter.
Also if Haleigh had been using it was it ever taken to a relatives home when Haleigh had gone over for a visit and was accidently left behind?
Maybe even to visit with her own Mother? And if so would that possibly have been a way for someone to point a finger away from themself from the very beginning?
Just some thoughts.
I have never nor would I bash anyone on any site, as I do appreciate everyone who has helped keep us informed on ths case….I sincerly apologize to anyone who thought different…..I am so sick to think little Haleigh went through pure hell before she died…I guess I am at my wits end to find out the truth, as well as everyone here is the same……Jan, I am very sorry for insinuatng anythng you might interpret as negatve against you or Simon…PLease accept my apologies…
Does anyone remember CJones saying Ron had a small gun during the road rage? If so could he have what is known as a throw away gun(illegal)? This could also be the gun Joe stole and if Ron called the cops whats he gonna say ‘HEY A GUY JUST STOLE MY ILLEGAL GUN”? I think he just said it was the barretta that was stolen because that gun was legal. And if they questioned Joe about the gun he would identify it as a different gun the Ron didnt own legally. jmo
@SouthernVAgirl AGAIN! How dare you think someone is talking down to you if anything you are the one talking down to others specially the KIND people of this site that so graciously take time from their busy schedules to bring us what information they can. THEY can choose as writers to give us what they want and when they want!!!! NOT have it demanded or called liars. I have seen the articles that they are trying to get the video’s it is not like they are right there and can drive over and pick them up it has to be arranged so have a little PATIENCE sheesh!
Jan and Simon so sorry that got dumped on ya’ll!! You all take so much time and put so much into bringing us this information it’s a shame there are a few who can appreciate it. Thank You again for all you do!!!!!!
Madjgnlaw, thanks for your reply. I know we will all be so relieved when we can find out what really happened to that precious little girl, Halegh. And all those involved are prosecuted…
I guess apologies arent enough for some…For those who accept mind,,I thank you.
Just looked up sunset for florida on feb. its at 6;11p.m.. If GGSykes was there at 7;30 it would have been dark out. jmo
Southernvagirl…
I do understand that everyone is frustrated with the wait for this case to be solved and that our little Haleigh is found one way or another but sometimes it is hard when we feel as though someone is blaming us because there is no new news on the case. If I was wrong in assuming that you were calling us liars then I apologize to you as well.
Simon and I are reporting what we can on this case because we care. We don’t ask for any popularity in the news media, we don’t step on peoples toes for the fifteen minutes of fame (as some describe it) by getting on HLN’s Jane Valez Mitchell or Nancy Grace.
We do the best we can. Unless I am mistaken I thought Simon did tell someone that he was still working on those tapes and he would get them ASAP but the truth of the matter is we are still trying to get them. Simon will, as he has said, have them posted on BNN when that time comes. He has not given up on it, he just has to wait until he gets them to publish.
Please try to understand that we can’t always answer every comment directed to us in here. I try to keep up but when we are getting hundred’s of comments a day it is not easy so I hope you can understand.
I pray that Haleigh is found soon and the mystery in this case is solved so we can all relax, but I can almost assure that another case will come up after this one. It is so sad to know that our children are not safe on this earth anymore. It breaks my heart.
Have a great day and say that prayer for Haleigh 🙂
Jan Barrett
I have not seen any of the neighbor’s stating that they had seen GGMa Sykes in the area around the time she claims to have dropped off the clothes either so there are no other witnesses to that incident as far as we know of.
7:30 is still relatively early yet it was apparently dark enough outside to easily notice headlights, the sounds of a car pulling in, little Children excitedly yelling “Hi GrandMa” etc… and what not…
I am amazed at your post and concern of getting to the bottom of this sick bunch of THUGS. Our children are the products of how we raised them. The Mom and Pops of the Croslin kids are no role models in thier up-bringing. If Grandma Hollors says those THUGS called her. Dont You think the sheriff and deputies would be listening in on every phone call made by THUG MISTY AND THUG TOMMY??? Maybe that is why the detectives wont return Grandma Hollors phone messages. Could it be she to is lying??? Anyone have an answer?????
I think that GrandMa Hollers is telling the truth in that she is repeating the stories that she has been told.
I don’t think that GrandMa Hollers could give a rats rear end what none of us think and even if she is lying about who had told her what it makes little difference when you lay it all out there. She is demanding responses from her own flesh and blood GrandChildren. Her number one goal is to get the truth told once and for all with or without the help or blessings from or of LE.
Rock on Grammie!
jmvho
You do have a point Tuff Stuff. Maybe there is still a heart among Granny. After being grilled by Nancy Grace over and over. She still maintains the THUGS told her everything she claims they said,Do you think she has a grudge against her grandson Joe to. Now he is another story all together. When you look at his interviews, He can not seem to hold a straight face into the camera for very long. He seems to always end up putting his face toward the ground after every comment.. Could he be the next for arrest?????????
I don’t even know where to start…there are so many inconsistencies from everyone! So many unanswered questions.
We have the alleged Rope that LE found at the river.
The alleged rope that was in the van.
The all edged rope that was found in Tommy and Lindsey’s home/van that LE found recently.
The mis-reporting or over looking that ROPE WAS ON RON’S MOBILE HOME TOO!..THE SCREEN DOOR IN THE FRONT. YOU CAN SEE IT IN EARLIER VIDEOS AND PICTURES OF THE THE MH ON GREEN ST.
Ronald Cummings has been the only one that I recall telling this tale about Joe fishing at the river and the tale of feeding the alligator, not Cousin Joe.
Ron originally said, he and Joe used to visit the very spot on the St. John’s river to fish, he never told Art it was Tommy!!!!
(Keep in mind Joe had been there for 2 weeks, Ronald told Cobra he met Joe for THE FIRST TIME on the third day of his visit, which would be sometime around 1/30/09. It is also said that the fight over the gun was the weekend prior to Haleigh going missing, then it was changed that the fight occurred the night she went missing. Yet, Ron denies a fight ever occurred just like he denied using drugs, selling drugs, and abusing his children and women in his life.
Ron also told Art Harris about fishing with Joe:
Quote:
~snip~
We were together months ago, not far from the pond, at another water’s edge in Satsuma… where marble sized eyes were visible popping out of the St. John’s River, and a dock not far from Ronald’s trailer, where Haleigh’s father lead us to take a look, months ago, noting the lazy cruising ground of the scaly predators, and their indiscrimanting appetite.
Ronald told me that he and Joe Overstreet, Misty’s Tennessee cousin, used to visit the very spot on the St. John’s river to fish, shoot the breeze, maybe drink a tall, cool one, and talk about life…and the appetite of Alligators. In fact, he said, in an exclusive chat with The Bald Truth months ago, that Joe talked about one of his favorite pastimes–watching alligators go to town on small animals or big ones that fell or got tossed in for their dining pleasure
TAKE NOTE:
Ron started out telling Cobra that “He was the one who told Tommy about the river being a good place to dump a body, but quickly changed his wording and said…Tommy told me. But he started out with “I told Tommy”!
Ron saying Joe was the one who said the river would be a great place to dump a body.
Ron saying that Tommy told him that he (Tommy), Joe, and Tommy’s son Austin were at the river and that Joe told Tommy that the river would be a great place to get rid of a body. Yet, Joe is from TN he has no idea the gators are not active in Feb.
Go back and listen to the audio, Ron telling Cobra that Tommy told him about when they were fishing. It was allegedly Tommy, his son Austin, and Joe.The first thing that struck me odd was that Ron started out telling Cobra that “He was the one who told”, then changed it to “He” (Tommy), told him that he went fishing.
What if Tommy did go to the River with his son and that is why he lied about the time he was at the MH? Lord, I pray that Austin didn’t witness anything. Or, maybe it was Ron himself that dumped Haleigh’s body on his way to/from work?
The many stories about the van:
It is said that the van that was used to take Haleigh and her cousins to the school bus.
Now there is talk that it was used as( hearse) to transport a dead Haleigh to the river, where rope was tied around her with cinder blocks and then she was thrown in the river.(If that was the case LE would of found decomposition in the van and would of kept in in the crime lab. LE returned the van to Chelsea/Lindsey after they tested the van. Which leads me to believe if Haleigh was in the van she was still alive and was never in the van after she died. IMO)
Tommy’s lawyer Warner said, one reason for Tommy taking a poly was because he need to clear up the time-line Tommy went to the trailer that night.
Nancy Grace Show transcript March 26, 2010 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html
Quote:
WERTER: Nancy, you have to understand when that statement was given, he had been arrested for that grand theft charge and he was in for a week waiting bond, and he was interviewed every day until he finally gave that statement. That`s why we want a polygraph to clear the air on the time-line.
Quote:
TERRY SHOEMAKER, ATTORNEY FOR HALEIGH`S FATHER, RONALD CUMMINGS: Well, he`s kind of shocked that Misty`s brother went over there that evening. He said all along that he did call the house of Hank Jr. and asked him whether or not Misty was there. But he doesn`t — he`s never said that he asked them to go look for her. He just asked if she was over there. And that was at about 9:00. So I think Hank Jr.`s time-line is a little off.
Tommy took the polygraph April 8, 2010. JW has never stated that Tommy “passed.” In fact he said that if he failed he would no longer represent Tommy. And now it is said that he will only represent Tommy for the drug charges but not the Haleigh investigation!
September 2009 : Tommy Croslin, Jr., told Putnam County Sheriff’s investigators he dropped by Ronald Cummings’ trailer sometime after 10 p.m. Feb 9—. Tommy stated during questioning that Ronald, had called him from his work and asked him to check on Misty. (It is alleged that phone records show that Ron did call Tommy, Misty and I assume others. 90+calls that night!)
TOMMY saying he went by the MH around 10PM and Misty was not home, now recanting that and saying he did not go to the MH at 10PM. The question is, did he not go at the time stated? Maybe he went at another time. We know he was at Ron’s MH with the kids around 5pm that day. We also hear that he was there around 6PM smoking pot with Misty.
Lindsey was in school at that time and did not get home until around 10:15PM that night and she claims he was home then and also the rest of the night…hmmm…
We also have Ron and the Croslins since day one pointing the finger at Joe..If you listen closely to the audios that Simon was so kind to share of Ron he starts out by saying
Chelsea claims she was up LATE doing insurance paper work (that does not take all night), and had just went to bed when she received the call that Haleigh was missing. she claims that Timmy was in bed sleeping on pain pills due to an accident. Then she claims she awoke to find keys moved from where she’d put them on the kitchen table and the van was parked in a different spot in her driveway. Chelsea said Joe normally slept in boxer shorts, but jumped out of bed fully clothed when she got a call Haleigh was missing. So, we can assume Joe STAYED AT TIMMY’S HOUSE THAT! (YET, Ron mentioned that Timmy saw Joe in his boxers at 1AM on the audio on Simon’s site!) So how did Timmy see Joe at 1AM if he was sleeping? How did Chelsea not see Joe at 1:00AM if she was still up doing insurance paperwork? You would think she would of known what Timmy and Joe were really doing that night, she was awake! How would she no know who moved the van? She was AWAKE!
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by Simon Barrett in crime
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Ron: you know what I told him? he told…let me tell you what i know what he told me…
Ron: they were down there fishin` junior hank, actually i call him Tommy
Cobra: Tommy OK
Ron: OK, cuz that`s the same Jr. hank Jr. tommy… and Joe were fishin` with Austin, tommy`s son… at that dock… it got dark… that dock got swamped with alligators… he told me, he said holy f**** s*** i had to get my son out of there i thought lake placid was fixin` to go on!
cobra: yep Ron: you know what?
cobra: yep?
Ron: Joe said the corridor would be the perfect f****ing place to kill somebody…
cobra: bam
Ron: dump them right in the water… let the alligators take care of the rest.
cobra: bam!
Ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.
Dont forget the porch light had to be on or they were eating in the dark. Also she says in her LIE (and thats what it is) that Misty put their shirts on them. If she did that why did Misty say Haleigh still had on the pink Hanna Montana shirt she wore to school to LE?
And why did GGSykes wait until Feb. 19 to say she was there? No mention of it in the previous statements Misty made. This was said to protect Ron because he left the kids with a drugged out teen. Misty was told it was to protect her so the LE would think she didnt leave the MH. jmo
TuffStuff:
The nebulizer was a theory that had popped up somewhere, not sure where and who knows where it is. Ron at not even unpacked boxes. He had just recently moved in the trailer with HaLeigh and Jr.
That’s possible HANGTHEM. Not sure but honestly I do not believe so. For whatever reason Joe is the weak one of the pack. Joe imo appears to have serious self esteem issues. My guess is that his habit of looking down is common even before Haleigh’s disappearance. Joe has a different persona on his my space page altogether. He comes off as dangerous and tough. IMO his behavior on his my space page is much like what a puffer fish does.
He was being publically attacked by his own family members so he “vitually” puffed up for all the world to see.
His behavior was defensive and reactionary.
All the lies were told to protect Ron yet Misty thought they protected her too. The marriage,the visit from GGSykes, the stories about Misty being wonderful, All lies to protect Ron. GGSykes was living with Ron when he was higher than a kite, she never mentions this. She had to know he had drug problems. jmo
I should also add that his behavior was also very immature.
LE could break him in one sitting.
I have a list of things that have been discussed in the last couple of days that I would really like to give some thoughts to.
1. The fight between Ron and Jo over a gun.
It is my understanding that Ron was correct there was no fight…. Ron found that his gun was gone and knew who did it and made it known he wanted it back. Ron explained how he found the gun in the culvert and why he was able to know where it was because they(Croslins) would not want it found in the house. No fight! IMO Jo should be and is scared of Ron and took heed of Rons possible threats and put the gun in the culvert and took off to stay at Timmys.
2. Misty’s 3 day drug bing.
It is my understanding that Misty did have an argument with Ron and it was not over an alleged fake pg test; it was over Ron and Crystal talking. I would imagine that their convo. had alot to do about the court hearing scheadualed for Febuary 10th at 8 am and over the issue of Misty and the children and their possible calling her mommy and the fact that Crystal was wanting a second chance. Why else would Misty and Ron argue and Misty take off that weekend and cheat on Ron? The 3 day drug bing is hilarious to me because it has never been proven! Nay Nay’s story has not stood the test of time and it is funny that Crystal never mentioned that she and Ron had been talking and that she was the cause of Ron and Misty’s fight. It was also CS and minions that spread the rumor of the 3 day drug bing in the first place. Heck, no wonder Ron didn’t put it all together he was being sweet talked by Crystal.
3. The Croslin van.
Was taken ad processed for an entirely different crime in my opinion (unlawful use of a motor vehicle) and LE did not charge anyone with that crime. Yes, I agree it would be due diligence if LE had also processed the van in relation to HaLeighs abduction and again no one was charged with that crime either, because the van is a never was used to commit a crime that warrented it to be considered evidance. The fact that the van was in Cresent City when HaLeigh was discovered missing is lost on many.
4. The blanket.
This paticular item would be of interest if it was still unaccounted for IMO and would of definatly linked Misty to the crime and as a suspect. Such a vital clue would of definatly solved the case long ago if it was indeed missing. IMO the blanket has been accounted for and located and was not used in HaLeighs abduction.
5. Ron did not return and stay and live in the mobile home after it was released by LE.
If anyone had any sence it would stand to reason that Ron felt that Jr, would be stolen from him as well if he stayed in that trailer. He did not even want to disclose Jr. where abouts to NG for fear of Jr’s safty. Most SO don’t return for the other child and IMO neither would a Croslin or Jo.
6. The A/C guy is not related to Ron.
Rons cousin was married to an employee with the same Co. and was not at the Cumming’s trailer that day.
JMO
LE didn’t have to return Grandma Hollars calls, they already knew what was said on the telephone calls. They were monitoring all of their calls already. DUH. I think LE has already wasted enough time, why waste anymore? Now she is calling a Florida State Detective with rumors she is hearing, why return those calls? Wasted time.
I do wonder what other possible witnesses there might be (who are unrelated) who may or may not have seen the van parked at Chelsea and timid Timmy’s that evening?
Are there any?
@Southernvagirl I think you are like most of us frustrated at the lack of not knowing what really happened to Haleigh. For month’s I come and read here and on other sites. I do not comment a lot and I do apologize to you for getting so angry with your posts, but they did come off very rude to the owner’s of the site and I think you are very honorable for your apologies.
This whole case is just pathetic period!!! I see so many passionate people here posting theory’s that like everyone would just like an honest answer about what really happened that night. We can all make theory’s and post our thoughts as it is our right to freedom of speech, but the TRUTH is out there and like with the Tot Mom Case a few people need to be introduced to it!!! All that matters is where is Haleigh??? For month’s I have held the hope that she would suddenly be found, but that is not happening!!!! It is also very sad that LE is not keeping the public informed, I suppose they are trying to keep everything close as to not show all the cards they are holding. We can only pray that this case will soon have an ending so that Haleigh may get Justice that she so deserves. It is hard to say a theory cause there are so many at this point!!!
God Bless Haleigh and those who are working so hard to find the answers as to what happened to her!!!!
Also have all the gas stations in the surrounding areas of possible interest been checked for possible video evidence of any kind?
ays he found itWBG took a lie detector from LEabout the weekend and he said he passed it, must have they let him go and never questioned him again.
Misty was seen by many on that weekend trip. Heck Ron even talked about it. That was a truth.
Ron couldnt pay rent thats why he moved. He moved in with GGSykes not another MH.That was the only way he could keep both Misty and Junior. No way could he do it without her being there to say she was watching Junior and not Misty.
And there is no real facts that Crystal and Ron were talking about getting back together. That was an old rumour. I think Misty just got fed up being with the kids 24/7 instead of having fun.
The gun was so lied about, first Misty says she found it then Ron says he found it. I believe the gun being talked about was a different ilegal gun Ron had and didnt want it found out. Thats why he denied it if Joe described the gun it wouldnt be the barretta Ron owned legally. jmo
misty voluntarly took several LDTs,
she voluntarly took the voice stress test,
she voluntarly underwent hypnosis..
she voluntarly submitted to LE interrogation for over 30 hours..
are these the acts of a guilty person?
NO!! Misty woke up and haleigh was gone.
It was true when she said that on day 1 and its just as true today.
yesto all of the above. She lied and is still lying.jmo
The need to look for Teresa on those videos. Her timeline is absurd unless she’s luke skywalker in disguise. IMO
Maybe, maybe not OJ’s but common sense tells me that when people do lie they already know that they must first convince themselves to believe that the lie is true in order for anyone else to believe it.
The many stories about the van that is owned by Lindsey:
Lindsy – attended night classes during the time Haleigh went missing. I wonder how she got to school that night? Did she have the van and later sent Tommy to Timmy & Chelsea’s house with it? Does she own another car? Anyone know?
I wonder at what time did the van end up in Crescent City at Timmy & Chelsea’s house that night and who took it there?
Good question MADJGNLAW.
Although there was no evidence found in the van I believe that regardless the van does seem rather significant in all of this somehow.
LOL tobias we are not in agreement but always enjoy your posts. Like I said they make me think and give me more to consider. Funny how many of us have witnessed and heard the same things and we all have a different opinion and theory.
The van was Lindsey’s and Tommy had a pick-up truck.
Tuff IMO Only because it fits with some peoples theory. LE seems to believe differently IMO.
Tex, Its all in how you really see these people. I see them for what they really are. LIARS. Everyone of them has told so many lies its hard to tell what is really truth.and its not just the ones in jail now that have lied.
And if you look at it closely the lies become evident. GGSykes saying the kids were eating on the porch(in 60 degree weather in the dark)
really? No mention from Misty until SYKES makes the claim on the 19th. Very evident.
And yes it is good to have opposing thoughts like a think tank. lol
Thanks! That is right, Tommy had the red truck that Misty claims he tried to sell. It was later reported that LE went and go the truck. I wonder what ever happen to it? Something else LE has not shared. It seems they must of kept it…or it was repode. Hmm
stilllucy said,in May 1st, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Misty knew alot about that red truck. She said Hank gave Tommy $500 to fix and keep the truck and Tommy sold it to a black guy. It blew up.
How did she know it blew up? Did she know the guy Tommy sold it to? Sounds like she did. jmo
Also why would Hank need the truck to go back and forth to the doctors? The van would be more useful for that. jmo
It wouldnt surprise me one bit if they found red paint on the cinder blocks they pulled out of the river. jmo
I wonder whose time line is messed up?jmo
I disagree with TJ Hart in regards to Congrats to Jeff Hardy for doing this the right way. IMHO he has been one of the biggest hurdles and therefore set backs in this case. I don’t understand why Tommy and Joe were not asked to take a lie detector on the first day Haleigh went missing. They both have violent histories, both were in contact with the girl on the day she disappeared, both were familiar with Ronald’s home and Ronald’s work hours, both knew at what time Misty would be alone in the home, Joe had an argument earlier with Ronald and swore vengeance, Tommy did not like Ronald, Tommy has a long history of BNE’s and domestic violence, Joe has accusations of violent sexual crimes, both were involved or attached to a vehicle that was secretly used during the hours the child went missing and on and on. At the 7 month mark Tommy is hauled in and given some out outrageous bond and surprise surprise he has a instant memory. They take it and run with it publicly siding and holding this guy up as some saint who finally told on Misty. They don’t question his bogus story. They don’t ask him to provide a lie detector before getting his reduced bond. They heard what they wanted and that was (Misty Left) Jeff Hardy said he knew exactly what happened to Haleigh and he was putting the pieces of the puzzle together. When Misty wrote a letter to her sister in law he declared it BS to Art Harris. The letter stated the exact thing they are now investigating and have used as basis to now call this case a homicide. When Tommy sings him a song he falls to pieces and runs with it and declares it as fact. Tommy says the same thing the letter did that Misty wrote only in Tommy’s version he omits his part. Jeff Hardy did not have this theory and therefore he refused to hear it until he was clouted upside the head with it and left with no choice. Myself and others who have posted are not investigators or trained in the field and we posted months ago to search the areas familiar to Tommy and Joe especially hunting and fishing areas. Search them over and over. Instead this Jeff Hardy drains a pond searches it over some jail house drama letter and red faced says it has nothing to with it. I could rant forever here and I have been for months about Tommy and Joe. I was told I was wrong when I thought it was not drugs with Ronald and if anything it was revenge towards Ronald. I though that because Joe struck me as a specific type. I always thought it was a robbery gone wrong in fact I argued one of NG’S Specialist over that.Many people have been posting the same thing and have been of the same opinion as me. Jeff Hardy refused to listen to any opinion any other option than what he believed was right. His responsibility was to do everything equally with everyone involved and then let the evidence show him instead of searching and making evidence that molded to his theory. I disagree in regards to Jeff Hardy and I think he has damaged the case more than he has done it any good. In fact with out physical evidence there isn’t a case and that is the set back, a horrendous one.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Simon, if you can when you have time…can you find out what ever happen to the red truck that LE took in for testing late last year after Misty failed her poly that TM arrainged?
TIA!
Now this is going to fester me to no avail!
That darn red truck was taken by LE into evidence and LE never said one way or another what they found! I don’t think it has even been returned! Oh..Simon if you find time to check into this it would be greatly appreciated!!!
It takes months for forensics sometimes to come back. What if decomposition or other was found in the red truck? What if dirt from the area of the St.John’s river was also found on the truck? It was also rumored that a red truck was spotted in the area earlier that night! Maybe the van is something they are throwing out there to take the focus off the red truck and the white truck. It would make sense for Tommy to go the MH in the red truck after Lindsey got home. Maybe Timmy and Joe met up with Tommy later that night? Even Ron! Around 1am?
There were rumors of a white truck being seen at the dumpster near the MH that night as well? The dogs hit on it, but nothing was found per LE? Pfffttt to that…I don’t buy half of what LE says either. Every time something is found LE recants their statements!!! Every time..I will buy it once or twice…that is it though!
They went from missing to homicide case for a reason and I don’t think they would of done so just because Misty or Tommy said Haleigh was dumped in the river. JMO
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUCK
“Snip” http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/confirmed-misty-cummings-is-a-liar/
In the voice analysis interview Misty points fingers at her brother Tommy, saying he raped her as a child, and could have done something to Haleigh. She then says people claim they saw a red truck near the house that night (we know Tommy was there smoking marijuana earlier that evening) Tommy drove a red truck that he sold after Haleigh disappeared. The day after the interviews, Miller asked Misty if she knew where the truck was. She had mentioned to us she knew who had bought it and Miller wanted to see the location. Ronald and Misty took Miller to the guy’s house who had bought the truck. Although it wasn’t there at the time, Miller returned to the location with me right after and we recorded the address and went to the police with the info. The title was never transferred to the new owner so the truck is still listed in Misty and Tommy’s mother name. The police were going to get the truck and process it.
Wow! It was just posted in some of the groups I am of member of that Lindsey Croslin has filed for a divorce!
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php
Tuff Stuff>>>> Dont forget the young man Misty spent several nights with, Before Ron told her to come home and baby-set his kids. Has LE re-interviewed Him??? Maybe they should.. Dont forget Misty,s statement since she has been locked up. She said that (2) people her family knew were involved. That (1) they loved, The other they hated. Could it be that the one hated could be the young man Misty hung out with and that the one they loved was her (MISTY) What does anyone think about that??
Hi Team! HANGTHEM, Misty didn’t say that they hated the other person, just that it was someone they only sorta’ or kinda’ cared about. I think it goes more or less like this:
M: “It will hurt two people.”
C: “Two people that we care about? Because you know I don’t give a rat’s @$$ about Ron…”
M: “Yes, well sorta’, one we care about, one we kinda’ care about…”
Just so we are all in sink…….. Hank is the Thug Dad of Tommy and Misty??? Right… LE has probally been deep into investagation since day one. After all……… This wild bunch is behind bars…. My theory is that if you do the crime… You must do the time. What bothers me the most about this whole sick thing is Rons daughter is and was missing. Not one of them ( RON-MISTY-TOMMY-HANK, Nor Misty,s Mom) Kept trying to find Haliegh.Instead>> They were either stealing– Doctor Shopping– Or selling drugs to LE…….
Art Harris’ latest post has been cracking me up to no end—
EXCLUSIVE! Tommy Croslin lied! And you heard it right here on AH.com.
BOMBSHELL TONIGHT! Tommy Croslin lied about lying! Secret jailhouse tapes reveal…
AH.com has learned “from our sources” that Tommy Croslin may now be lying about lying that he lied!
Peter Hyatt, Statement Analyst from the State of Maine (not necessarily FOR the State of Maine), lectures us about how Tommy Croslin’s speech reveals that he is lying about lying about lying that he lied! “You see, the word lie is the language of lying…
Like this case, I don’t see an end in sight 😀 !
And I apologize in advance to anyone who is offended by this post. Like my friend said, “If this case didn’t involve a real little girl, it would be funny.”
The following was posted by Texasmommy39;
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PCSO stated that they believed HaLeigh was alive and hidden, months into the investigation.
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Mainemommy40’s Response;
TM39, The PCSO never made this statement.
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The following was posted by Texasmommy39;
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2. Misty’s 3 day drug bing.
It is my understanding that Misty did have an argument with Ron and it was not over an alleged fake pg test; it was over Ron and Crystal talking. I would imagine that their convo. had alot to do about the court hearing scheadualed for Febuary 10th at 8 am and over the issue of Misty and the children and their possible calling her mommy and the fact that Crystal was wanting a second chance. Why else would Misty and Ron argue and Misty take off that weekend and cheat on Ron? The 3 day drug bing is hilarious to me because it has never been proven! Nay Nay’s story has not stood the test of time and it is funny that Crystal never mentioned that she and Ron had been talking and that she was the cause of Ron and Misty’s fight. It was also CS and minions that spread the rumor of the 3 day drug bing in the first place. Heck, no wonder Ron didn’t put it all together he was being sweet talked by Crystal.
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Mainemommy40’s Response;
So now Crystal is to blame for Ronald & Misty’s fight. Your post reveals much TM39. Most of the outlandish claims you make are not, and have never been, reported by the media and/or published/televised statements made by law enforcement, rather, they are the stories told to you by the Cumming’s family/friends whose sole purpose is to divert attention and blame away from Ronald and themselves. What really takes the cake with you, so to say, is that somehow you’ve inserted yourself into this case; whether through family relations, distant or otherwise, or by presenting yourself as someone (or something…) you’re not (ie., perhaps embellishing your blogging credentials…); I tend to believe the latter.
I have had the utmost respect for Simon & Jan’s reporting on this case because they have put all self-egotism aside in their reporting by including statements such as, “make of it what you will”, which clearly tells the reader that, while they’re reporting what they’ve been told by a particular source, it does not necessarily mean that the source is being truthful – that is up to the reader to discern and decide for themselves. Unlike Art H, who, by making presumptious statements, has, IMO, contributed to much false/mis-reporting in this case, which has only further added to the confusion. Now take someone like yourself who does exactly the same thing as Art H, if not worse IMO, with your zero credentials and an anonymous cyber-name, you don’t even have the decency to make reference to a source(s), whether named or unnamed; you simply post it as fact, “facts” that imply you’re “in the know”. Because of posters such as yourself, links should be a mandatory requirement!
I can buy into oj’s theory because there are about 50 theories and possiblities of what really happened.
Stanger abduction wouldn’t surprise me anymore than a confession from one of the ‘stars’ of this movie.
Speaking of movie and book deals. At the conclusion of this case, who will be first to offer up a book? Art harris, gma hollers, ron, ????? Someone will. There is so much periphial gossip and juice to make a movie around besides the end of this little girls life.
Well said! I just ignored that earlier…
I would love nothing more than for Haleigh to be alive as I know most do, esp her Mother and Granma Marie. Haleigh is loved by many and we should really try to respect each other and not make matters worse by spreading rumors.
Mainemommy40 said,in May 1st, 2010 at 2:54 pm
looks like Lindsy filed for divorce from the ears !
Tobias, your gun theory is very interesting. You have a good perception. I think that is a very good possibility.
About the nebulizer. When the case first broke it was reported that Haleighs nebulizer was gone from Rons mh. They reported that Crystal had hers for Haleigh. The nebulizer to my knowledge has not been reported as being found. They just said it disappeared when Haleigh did.
Kate said:
From the state of maine, not necessarily FOR the state of maine.
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Funny!!
I think if Tommy knew everything he would have talked. I dont believe there is any proof yet that he is saying Joe did it. Just what AH is telling and he doesnt really know. Misty on the other hand is trying like heck to blame Joe. The thing is from listening to Cobras tapes Ron even knew about the boat ramp, why hasnt he said anything to LE recently about what Joe said ? Why isnt Ron confirming what was told to him by Tommy? Or did this story all originate from Ron to begin with? He was the first one I believe to talk about it in those tapes. jmo
Yes she did!
LINDSEY CROSLIN FILED FOR DIVORCE ON APRIL 28, 2010 PUTNAM COUNTY http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
Janie said,in May 1st, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Tobias, I agree with you. We do not know who Tommy said the person was. You are also right about GGSykes being at the mh. That should of came out right from the beginning. First GGSykes said she was there at 7pm and now on NG last week she said 7:30pm. Tobias do you think she forgot what time she had stated or do you think she changed it to fit closer to the 8pm time for Haleigh to go to bed?
There are so many holes in GGSykes story.
1. It was dark at 7 according to the weather site sunset was at 6;11pm ,it was 60 cold for a floridian to be out on a porch eating.
2. Misty claimed she cooked at 6-630 (we heard from sources it was Chefboyardi) so its microwave or 15 min. prep time.
3. She said Misty changed their shirts. Why did Misty say Haleigh had on the shirt she wore to school?
4. Until GGSykes made this statement on the 19th Misty never mentions her being there until August when she took TM poly.
To answer your question above I think she is messing up like most do when they are lying.
Those clothes were probably picked up in the morning before school. jmo
MaineMommy40:
WOW! Thank You, so much for the link yesterday reference this cyber texas person. I could not agree you more. Ofcourse, IMO.
And POW, you’re right back at her today! You go girl!
We do know, for a fact I might add, that Crystal was cleared by PCSD.
Again, thank you.
Tobias as you know I live here in Florida. The last two winters have been rediculously cold. I do agree with you about GGSykes lying. I also thought if this Grandma was so adamant on keeping these childrens clothes stain free she would of made sure that these childrens clothes done up especially, before the school week began so they would be ready.jmo
Jaba, I started out thinking the guy was interesting but he really rubbed me the wrong way on Jan & Simon’s show last week. He said a lot of things that everyone already knows and presented it as “keen insight.” I hope that Jan and Simon do not invite him back. People can read his blog if they want to know what he has to say.
But of course I will respect Simon and Jan’s decisions because JAN AND SIMON ROCK! It is such a relief to have their calm, measured perspective and down-to-earth reporting. A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO THE BARRETT’S!!! Thank you. I appreciate all that you do. It is ridiculous to push for more because what you make time to do has been truly, truly generous to us and respectful to HaLeigh.
So who would GGSykes lie for? Misty or Ron?
15min for microwave Chefboyardee?
jaba said,in May 1st, 2010 at 3:03 pm I can buy into oj’s theory because there are about 50 theories and possiblities of what really happened.
Stanger abduction wouldn’t surprise me anymore than a confession from one of the ’stars’ of this movie.
Speaking of movie and book deals. At the conclusion of this case, who will be first to offer up a book? Art harris, gma hollers, ron, ????? Someone will. There is so much periphial gossip and juice to make a movie around.
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paris hilton could play misty
She lied because if was proven that Ron knew she was drugged up he would face child endangerment charges and could lose Junior.jmo
stilllucy or mainemommy40, what is the link wrt texasmommy39 that you are talking about, and why? I do not mean this in any challenging, offensive, defensive or sarcastic way. Just trying to understand what is going on.
stilllucy, very interested in the PCSO clearing Crystal statement. I know they have said repeatedly that this person or that person is “not a person of interest,” but I haven’t seen where they have officially “cleared” anyone. I am not doubting you, just would be grateful if you could provide the reference or a link. TIA.
No micro wave OR 15 min. prep time on the stove.
An awesome new article by Simon is up!
lyndsay lohan would be good too
Simon and Jan rock to the max! This blog is the only truthsayer in this horrible thing. Can’t wait for the radio show again. Hope TJ is up to it though.
Stillucy I do not see GGSykes lying just for Misty If only Misty was responsible for her Granddaughters death. I do see her lying for Misty in order to help protect Ron. Ron would be her only reason to lie.
Agreed, OJ, Lindsay Lohan would be perfect for the role of Misty! Spencer Pratt as Ron,gary coleman as little tommy croslin, betty white a gma hollers and ben kingsley as art harris. 🙂
There are a few things the I remember as factual:
Ron was the one that said that he had passed the polygraph and was not a POI, PCSD had not stated that. Ron had also stated at the same time that Misty had also passed her polygraph which we later found that to be untrue. These are on YouTube with many other videos showing inconsistences in their stories.
The attorney that Crystal, Kim, had stated, that Crystal had been cleared as a POI by PCSD prior to her regaining custody of Jr. That probably would have been a biggie for child protective services granted all the attention that these parents have had with their drug issues and the circumstances surrounding HaLeigh.
Cathartic at 2:52 am, Hi, how r u? Haven’t been on here in a couple of days.
Your post is right on target, imo.
I thought the gun in the culvert was the “assault” prized gun Ronald hid. It would certainly fit in a culvert.
Joe wanted to steal it, probably for a trade, drugs, etc….
Mandy,,,,thanks for the kind words…..I PROMISED MYSELF,,,I WILL NEVER GET NVOLVED N ANOTHER CASE AFTER CASEY GET DP AND HALEIGH GETS JUSTICE….I am not a well woman and this has broken my heart,,as well as the other chldren have to be raised in families like this…..Haleigh and Caylee,,will get justice either in our world or the next…I have to believe this….
WHY WOULD RONALD EVEN HAVE AN ASSAULT RIFLE?
50 ROUNDS,CAN BE CONVERTED TO AUTOMATIC, STANDARD MODEL IS SEMI AUTOMATIC.
HE HAD IT FOR PROTECTION.
This type of gun is most commonly used in drug activity, it’s chief purpose is to GUN SOMEONE DOWN.
he ain’t huttin’ no deer wit dat!!
In the beginning the Cummings/Sykes clan and the Croslins were all trying to show a united front, covering for each other, working together, forming the alliances, spinning the web of lies and stories and now, that their lifstyle has got them thrown in the klink, the walls will crumble down. From what it looks like, no matter what you think about Crystal, she is removed from HaLeigh’s disappearance. HaLeigh was left in the care of her father, big mistake by the court system, big mistake! Ron should pay for his vindictivness one way or another. To take that little girl away from her mother to punish her mother for wanting out of their relationship and now what has happened to HaLeigh in his care is atrocious. Ron should pay.
They say it takes a village to raise a child but I don’t think they meant for narcotics to be involved in that village along with a man who chose to chase underage girls. And good old Teresa and Grandma Sykes should be ashamed of themselves, too. This whole mess is disgusting.
Hopefully justice for HaLeigh comes soon.
Thanks to Simon for the new article, great post.
Great Article!
The Fact And Fiction Of The Haleigh Cummings Case?
“Snip” http://www.bloggernews.net/124447
Posted on May 1st, 2010
by Simon Barrett
ANYONE IN HERE FROM FLORIDA? Question, how late can you purchase alchol there, I know here and I’m most states its 2am yet Ron bought a beer after work around 3am, how is this?
In some places beer is separated from other alcoholic drinks. I’m sure you could google it though.
Found this information on alcohol purchasing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States_by_state
Supermarkets and other licensed business establishments may sell beer, low-alcohol liquors, and wine. Liquor must be sold in dedicated liquor stores which may be in a separate part of a grocery or a drug store. Beer must be sold in quantities of 32 or fewer ounces or greater than 1 gallon. Forty- and 64-ounce beverages are illegal.
I had a thought way back when this all started that if joe did anything to poor little Haleigh her body could be anywhere between fla and tenn.
There again they might all know? But i think if ron knew he would have been the one to do away with her body,i thought from the start they all TN and Ron acted liked Haleigh had died, crying and not looking for her!
In my way of thinking, i would be upset but i would be looking for MY live CHILD! LOOKING AND PRAYING TRYING TO HAVE HOPE!!!!!!!!!
We Know Tommy had the yellow rope, found in his trailer. Why in the world would Tommy cover for Joe- does not make since. I feel that Tommy covered for Misty. Maybe Ron Knows Hard to tell But Misty Killed her I believe. by accident.
also, on Art Harris page on april 20th they found the rope in Tommys trailer- Lindsay Filed Divorce shortly after on the 28th. what does that tell you? why wont Tommy talk about Timmy?
i doubt he’d cover for anybody,lol
omg.i am sorrryyyyyy! didn’t mean all that to paste,Jan? delete?? lol
wow good noggin there ShayShay, woulda never thhuk of it!
my niece is a ShaShay!
stilllucy said,in May 1st, 2010 at 5:01 pm In the beginning the Cummings/Sykes clan and the Croslins were all trying to show a united front, covering for each other, working together, forming the alliances, spinning the web of lies and stories and now, that their lifstyle has got them thrown in the klink, the walls will crumble down. From what it looks like, no matter what you think about Crystal, she is removed from HaLeigh’s disappearance. HaLeigh was left in the care of her father, big mistake by the court system, big mistake! Ron should pay for his vindictivness one way or another. To take that little girl away from her mother to punish her mother for wanting out of their relationship and now what has happened to HaLeigh in his care is atrocious. Ron should pay.
They say it takes a village to raise a child but I don’t think they meant for narcotics to be involved in that village along with a man who chose to chase underage girls. And good old Teresa and Grandma Sykes should be ashamed of themselves, too. This whole mess is disgusting.
Hopefully justice for HaLeigh comes soon.
Thanks to Simon for the new article, great post.
Lucy,no dissrespect to you persionally but why was chloe born with narcotics in her system? Just b/c daddyys in jail don’t make you a mother?
I was born too 2 alcoholics……..just sayin!
Linda,you’re right!
They acted like grieving relatives!
right Ron but i guess most guys like guns,lol bigger the better!
looking for Justice said,in May 1st, 2010 at 4:05 pm Stillucy I do not see GGSykes lying just for Misty If only Misty was responsible for her Granddaughters death. I do see her lying for Misty in order to help protect Ron. Ron would be her only reason to lie.
Exactly!
Now its seen that Lindsey was at the mh for dinner that day too,so why did as not say that?
MADJGNLAW said,in May 1st, 2010 at 5:09 pm Great Article!
The Fact And Fiction Of The Haleigh Cummings Case?
“Snip” http://www.bloggernews.net/124447
Posted on May 1st, 2010
by Simon Barrett
Thank You Madge!
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