There was a lot that happened in these two cases this week. Our panel of Jan and Simon Barrett, TJ Hart, Denny Griffin, and William Cobra Staubs, tried to put it all into perspective. We also fielded a number of interesting calls from listeners.
In the Haleigh Cummings search the main focus over the past week has been on father Ronald Cummings and his ex teen bride Misty Croslin. Seven months after their whirlwind marriage they have now managed a whirlwind divorce! As TJ pointed out it was likely the most perfect no-fault divorce of all time. There are no children, property, or other possessions to haggle over. In my opinion likely the biggest discussion was who gets the pack of cigarettes, the six pack of beer, and whatever illegal substances they may have.
Lisa Croslin, Misty’s mom, was extradited back to Putnam county, her bond was greatly reduced, and after a couple of days managed to bond out, although there is no word yet as to who her benefactor might be.
Mark Klaas made some rather disparaging remarks about Tim Miller earlier this week. It is not the first time, but this was certainly the most pointed. It will be interesting to see where this spat goes.
Misty Croslin has been seen around Palatka, but it is unknown as to where she is staying, or how she is supporting herself. If you listen to the program recording carefully, there is a joke made, but it may be closer to the truth than you might imagine.
Ronald Cummings has made a number of comments both directly and indirectly through his lawyer. The dreaded term ‘NPO’ has reared its head.
There is also the issue of Ronald apparently threatening to blow a hole in Misty’s neck! There does seem to be some credibility to this allegation, Tim Miller is not the first to have heard him say it.
In the Caylee Anthony case it was also a very busy week. Defense motions were denied, and prosecution ones accepted. But once again Jose Baez managed to dodge the bullet, he has been given until Feb/1 2010 to share his evidence that Caylee Anthony’s body was moved after mother Casey Anthony was in the slammer! As Jan and Denny pointed out, this makes no sense. If Casey is innocent, why would Baez wait more than three months to share this information? Does Casey enjoy life behind bars that she is asking her legal team to delay?
This week also saw the release of some depositions from Grandfather George Anthony. The inconsistencies in his statements boggle the mind. Gas cans, duct tape, and concrete slabs all seem to bring on a form of dementia in the man.
It was an entertaining program, and even though we do bill it as a ‘look back’ on the past seven days the occasional piece of brand new news does spill out. There was certainly some today. I will say this, if your information comes from the MSM it is old. One person I talked to that is close to both cases made the remark ‘I watched Nancy Grace last Thursday, was even 6 minutes of it live’?
It was an exciting program, and no doubt we will be hearing from the peanut gallery. I can only offer this advice to those of you that do not like the program, or the articles that we publish… don’t listen to us, and don’t read us. The last time I checked it was not compulsory to do either.
Personally there are TV channels, Radio Channels, and Internet sites that I do not like. My solution is to avoid them. It is a rendition of the ‘Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this’ joke. If it hurts, just don’t do it!
You can catch the entire program here.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon & Jan, great show today. Lots of new info.
Hope there is lots of progress on the Haleigh case soon. Treece & Jbob
For some reason, TJ seems to be under the weather today, a bit frustrated.. Most of the show was productive and filled with information. Some very good questions, Sometimes the answers were rather long and drawn out and different. Will I tune in next week, I don’t know.. It’s not yet Monday and I think I have already reached my level..
I think I will setup tonight and listen to the
psychic’s radio show, maybe he can tell me when the next Putnam County Side Show circus is going to start…
TJ, seemed very pleasant and informative to us. Other than the 1 caller who asked him a question and then interrupted him 7 times before he could answer, we didn’t even feel he was stressed. We both thought he handled the call better than we could have and ended it very graciously.
I would like to know who all got arrested at Greg E’s house. Do any of you know? What about WBG?
I would like to say there was Haleigh’s little bed in another room, but the mattress was the one that was on the floor in Misty’s room. Misty didn’t have to look under the bed because there was no mattress on the bed.
I still don’t understand how Ron Cummings gets away with everything. Misty lived with him when she was 16 years old. Isn’t that statutory rape? And where is Jr. through all this? I am sure he knows where he was the night his sister went missing. Things just don’t add up here.
And now that Misty is divorced, (does it really only take a week in FL for an uncontested divorce?) who is resoinsible for her? She is still a minor. She may not be the smartest person in the world, and she may know what happened to Haleigh. But she seems to be getting the worst of everything. Ron knew about Misty’s three day drug binge right before Haleigh went missing. WHY would he leave his children with her? He is unfit as a parent and has used and abused this teenager from the day he met her. And I think she is afraid of him because HE is in someway resonsible for his daughter missing.
Today’s radio show was a very informative wrap up. Much appreciated. Thank you to Simon and Jan as well as to all who participated. Well, except for that one lady caller who interrupted so often that I began to wonder if she already knew the answer to her own question. Perhaps the answers she was getting from Cobra and/or T.J. were not to her particular liking?
Never the less, great show.
One thing that I notice wasn’t mentioned much if at all (I might have missed it?) was in regards to Misty allegedly being alerted by Ron about Donna Brock and what not.
Maybe the next show will cover it a little bit more?
Message to Cobra:
Don’t taze um er uh, I mean, Don’t sue me Bro.
(*I hope I ain’t on that list!)
*Just let me know if I need a smiley (that nervously has one eyebrow raised) inserted
here –> <–.
me:
Either Ron has connections in high places in that town, or he does some deals with giving out info with LE. IMO
Karon Cox at 7:49 pm said:
I would like to say there was Haleigh’s little bed in another room, but the mattress was the one that was on the floor in Misty’s room. Misty didn’t have to look under the bed because there was no mattress on the bed.
Katfish would like to add:
I said the same but several folks in chat said that Jr. also had a bed that was properly assembled (so I guess there was a bed for Misty to look under?). I don’t remember that from the NG tour….but it may have been shown or maybe some have been in the trailer who commented? IDK
Really, IMO Misty’s inconsistent statements are not that glaring of statements but the fact LE says her account of events don’t match the evidence says a lot!
Karon Cox well said.
I think Ronald’s days are numbered,his days as the top CI won’t last 4ever.imo
THEN ONES IN HIGH PLACES WILL BE EXPOSED…IMO
The comment about looking under the beds (plural) was only but one of the inconsistancies that I’ve heard and/or read about. Why is that one issue regarding looking under the beds a main focus?
katfish:
Thanks for the info. I think Cobra might be right about Misty being the fall girl. She keeps looking to Ron for the answers.
Well excpet for the thought that had they actually looked under the beds, Ron and Misty’s bed included, I would think that bed for sure would most likely have been messed up from flipping the mattress up to look underneath.
…Just saying.
me: Misty is now emancipated so she is legally responsible for herself. I believe she will be 18 in December anyway.
I don’t know if I agree that “Teflon Ron” is responsible for Haleigh going missing, but I definately agree….he has seemed to slip through the bars with the law on quite a few occasions.
Maybe he didn’t slip through the cracks, maybe he wasn’t guilty
Hey tuff stuff, do ya mind if I finish that thought? If that bed had been slept in it would be messed up too….that may be one of the instances that the statements Misty made don’t match the evidence LE referred to as well.
Katfish:
I don’t know who is responsible, really, but Misty takes her orders from Ron. We will see about what happens now that they are divorced. I haven’t seen them stay apart, yet, but I don’t know.
Not to say that Misty is innocent because we don’t know. But if I woke up and one of my kids or any child in my care was missing I could have said any weird thing. Seriously, I would have been out of my mind. I could possibly have forgotten their birthday, or said I had climbed the walls looking for them. I would have been beside myself. I would probably said I turned the house upside down and she is missing. That to me, doesn’t mean anything. JMO Treece
Treece, I agree!
It will be interesting to see if Misty turns on Ron, how many people believe her, after most saying she has lied throughout the last 8 months….I’ll bet over half these people will then say she is telling the truth……hmmmmm
I don’t know who is guilty of this crime but I find the fact that people are bound and determined to blame one party, the will not consider any other theory. Regardless of evidence or motive.
I am very interested in these drug related arrests at Chad E’s house. That may lead to a big break in this case. Has anyone heard who all was arrested?
I only want to say,hope they find Haleigh real soon.Tired of all the bull that has been thrown around about this case,wish Ronald,Misty and Haleigh’s families would care as much about her as they do about making news about themselves.It hurts just to know they don’t seem to see the reality of what is going on,a child is missing.If Haleigh were my little girl,I would not be behaving in such a fashion.I would do anything to get her found.What is wrong with these people.While they play their dumb games,we are all wanting the little girl found.We guess,agree,disagree,read everything we can everyday,talk,and pray.We support each other,even when we disagree with each other,we ask question,and write.And we care.Mean while the ones that should be worried are fighting,getting married,getting divorced,going on trips,partying it up,making a fool of themselves,and doing nothing to find this child.How much more sadder can this story get.Shame on them all.If they didn’t want her why didn’t they just give her to someone that really wanted a sweet little child like Haleigh?Well folks I sigh off with heavy heart as someone close died Friday night of cancer.She was a wonderfully sweet woman that loved children and wanted so bad to have a daughter.She would of loved Haleigh,and if Haleigh is not alive I am sure she will be in Heaven holding her.Good night.
Good point toughenough,if Misty starts accusing Ron you can bet your sweet bippy all the man hating bitter bettys will all of a sudden believe every word she says.
I didn’t think it was that odd that Misty didn’t know Haleigh’s birthday, she only knew Ron 6 months before Haleigh went missing in february and since Haleigh’s b-day wasn’t until August she hadn’t been there for her b-day yet. it was obvious she was upset on the 911 call….didn’t she say Haleigh weighed 40 lbs or 60 lbs…big difference. Like I said before, those inconsistences made during the 911 call were not that glaring to me, it was the statements made in the 30+ hours of interviews with LE that didn’t match evidence that bothers me.
I have a theory ( actually I’ve had a LOT of theories) but I’m not accusing ANYONE because I frankly don’t have one bit of evidence to do so and LE is not saying what the evidence is.
D. Kerr:
Sorry for your loss. I don’t understand about the actions of Haleigh’s family, either. I, personally, do not intend to get so involved with missing children cases, again. It is simply too painful.
Katfish, I think most of us have had alot of theoies and yes not knowing what info LE has it could be anyones guess.
But I do think as sad as it may appear that all the stupid stunts of the families make it appear that the family members are self-centered, it is quite possible LE would not let family search and this maybe the only way to keep Haleigh in the media…after all for a long time there was no major media reports….stupid stunts and the news is all over it. I’m not saying this is the motive but hey if I couldn’t get the media’s attention for my missing daughter, I would be willing to run through town naked (talk about a sad sight)to get the media attention.
D.Kerr, condolences, she sounds like a very special lady
D Kerr,
Sorry for your loss, I too hope if baby girl is no longer with us, that your friend is holding her tight.
I have a feeling the behavior we have seen on all the sides of Haleigh’s life aren’t just a result of attention seeking or making the news, sadly it sounds as though she has been surrounded by a lot of drama throughout her life.
Toughenough:
LE might not want the family to join in on their searches, but most missing children are found within a few miles of their home. I know I would be asking people to go out with me, everyday. Florida has so many places to search, and LE can’t do it all. If Ron would do that, people would be supporting him, more.
Toughenough, you are spot on about the media…no drama….no coverage, I couldn’t agree more. I wrote a blog way back in March entitled:
The media-loves-drama-the-drama-unfolds-but- will Haleigh be found?
Jayden:
No offence, just curious, but how do you know?
Jaden, Kudos, couldn’t hsve said it better myself…..so many expert searchers, wonderful reports with inside information and we really have no more than we did 8 months ago….speculation.
Karon Cox said,
in October 18th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
I am very interested in these drug related arrests at Chad E’s house. That may lead to a big break in this case. Has anyone heard who all was arrested?
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Me too Karon…meeeee toooo (very interested)
I don’t know who else was arrested, but it looks like they’re picking up everybody they can for anything they can. I’m encouraged.
BTW…Curious….you around? We now have validated proof of Chad E’s perscription for nactoics. Sorry, couldn’t resist! I can’t believe I searched for 4 hours to find that info, then I come back to work (and internet) to find that he’s been arrested for attempting to sell some. LOL!!! I will be looking into this futher as I suspect pills but could have been a perco-pop I had been talking about (theorizing about).
Katfish & Toughenough…you’re right. There’s an OLD saying about the News & media…
IF IT BLEEDS, IT LEADS! They are in business and that business is…making money. Period. They print/broadcast the sensational so we the consumers will buy thier product.
I’m going to go look into the Chad E pills stuff…
Also, I have requested from Jan that we add some stickies type things to our forum here so that we can post accurate infomation, also known as facts, links to documents, and other pertinent info so that WE ALL can refresh our memories or help others who might be joining us recently and haven’t followed since Feb of last year. We can have maps, pings (eventually…thank you Sunshine Law), and other information there as well as theories threads ect. If you’d like to become involved in helping pull this together please join the forum and PM me. It is going to be a daunting task and I could certainly use some help. Especially from those of you/us who have been here since the begining.
Treece, M2C….you obviously come to mind. We could also reference our “stickies” to those who are asking questions we have already documented the answers to and ect.
Please join and help. Not only to built our forum but become a part of our on-going debate teams! LOL
Skywise:
I think this is a good sign that LE is really working this case. There could be a breakthrough.
Jaden,
From what I gather you don’t like what you are reading or hearing about the case from pretty much anyone of the parties you have listed?
Simon’s words of wisdom,
“I can only offer this advice to those of you that do not like the program, or the articles that we publish… don’t listen to us, and don’t read us. The last time I checked it was not compulsory to do either.”
I’m pretty certain that the same applies for everyone you have mentioned in your rant.
Yes I’m here Holly’s, but not seeing proof of what you said. No worries
So am I to understand since Cobra said he isn’t going into Satsuma because there may be some people still mad at him that he isn’t gonna actively search for Haleigh now? Is Cobra doing anything now like still talking to people or checking garbage for clues or stake outs anymore? I hope not, Cobra needs to stay in this Cobra you got close to the truth of it all and now your pulling out? This isn’t right I’m really, really at a loss with this.
Dreamfinder:
Cobra needs to stay out of there because, he has too many enemies there. People there don’t fool around from what I have heard from the local people on this site.
I heard on the show today that Cobra is continuing his work but in a limited legal manner for the time being. If I understood correctly some of his work is being taped for a public television show but what is being taped is not related to the Haleigh Cummings case whatsoever.
I don’t believe that he is abandoning this case but that due to the case against him his hands are pretty much tied to a certain extent.
That is my understanding anyway.
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=757039&IMG=59629
Link to his “Proof of possesion”. LOL From 2:28 AM to 8:57 Am Oct 18,2009 PCSO arrested 7…count them 7…narcotics offenders. At least 5 of them seemed to occur simultainiously. All arrested for same or simular offense. The booking delays probably due to the paperwork end of police work. Takes some time to enter all that info and stuff.
I will add more info as I can dig it up.
What struck me funny was that Chad E was the only narcotics arrest during that time period thaT HAD A SYNTHETIC NARCOTIC CHARGE.
What is a synthetic narcotics charge?
HollysGmom, I think that’s a great idea. I pretty much stopped going over to the forum because it seemed there was little going on…or do you mean right here? The forum is definately an easier format to post to. Thanks! I’ll check in over there later. What are stickies?
I’m very interested in hearing what kind of scripts Chad E has too. On the radio show today, I think it was Cobra but don’t quote me as it was him, someone said he wears some sort of bag. ???? I wonder if he has some sort of pain pump implanted? I definately can’t understand how someone in pain is willing to sell or hand out their meds….unless they are overprescribed or just desperate for $$$
synthetic narcotics could be oxicontin I know remember a dr telling my dh it was synthetic heroin…I’m not sure about fentanyl. I’ll do a little checking in the PDR.
Dreamfinder, I am at a lost too.Is Cobra in or out of this case. Cobra can you answer us?
google:
Unlike products derived directly or indirectly from narcotics of natural origin, synthetic narcotics are produced entirely in the laboratory. The primary objective of laboratory production is to produce a drug that will have the analgesic properties of morphine while minimizing the potential for addiction. The products most widely available—hydrocodone, oxycodone, meperidine, and methadone—are still addictive however.
Read more: http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/2336/Drugs-Abuse-Origins-Uses-Effects-SYNTHETIC-NARCOTICS.html#ixzz0ULksWdaE
Thanks Karen and Tuffstuff that makes me feel better.
FENTANYL
(Trade Names: Actiq®, FentoraTM, Duragesic®; Street Names: Apache, China girl, China white, Dance fever, Friend, Goodfella, Jackpot, Murder 8, TNT, Perc-O-Pop, Lollipop, Tango and Cash)
Fentanyl is a potent synthetic opioid. It was introduced into medical practice as an intravenous anesthetic under the trade name of Sublimaze in the 1960s.
hmmmm
katfish:
Thanks, katfish. Just think, someone in so much pain in jail.
I would think if he has a prescription and a dependence (most likely) he would receive the narcotics even in jail or they risk him having some severe medical problems….the question is…why someone in severe pain would sell their meds. IDK ?
Yeah…. Cobra needs to stay out of it.
I’m sorry, I think he cares but possibly has his own agenda too. I actually believe that to be the case with most people involved.
(it is their job)
I know this view is not popular with this blog but I’m just being honest. Not trying to bash anyone at all.
I could be feeling this way because so much flip flopping is going on during the broadcast.
Just for thoughts, Misty with all the RIDDLES ??
I really want to know if he was selling actiq aka perco-pops or lollipops. My dh says they taste like candy (they look like it too when out of the pkg.)
katfish:
I am sure they will give him his meds, but I was thinking about those uncomfortable beds. WBG was taking care of him at home. Who is taking care of him in jail?
katfish, you said a mouthfull imo. I wonder.
Kat, Karon…
I worked in a large county jail for 7 yrs… in medical…. yes inmates are given meds of that quanity, quality depending on illness, history and so forth. You’d be surprised at what excellent care most county inmates receive.
Children are known, all of the time to swallow horrible stuff. I don’t know if it is curiosity, or what, but they do it all the time. A child might do what she sees adults doing, just to be a copy-cat or feel important.
If Haleigh was at a party with alot of pot smoking and cigarette smoking, she could have had an asthma attack and died. Ronald said her inhaler was still at the house, so Misty might have forgotten it. Misty is so young she might not have realized how serious an asthma attack could be. Everybody at the party could have panicked because they were using drugs. IMO
cent,
Thanks for verifying that. I assumed so just to protect the county’s butt if nothing else. I wonder if that is why his bond is only $2,000. Get him outa there….those drugs are not cheap. Am I correct in assuming the county is responsible for the tab on the medical care?
Simon & Jan:
Enjoyed your show today, except for the lady who called in and directed her question to T.J.
She initially fired off questions without giving T.J. an opportunity to answer. For a brief while she became argumentative. Rude!
Look forward to next Sunday’s show!
Have you noticed how few of us have been on here tonight? Most people have been so nice to each other. I don’t know where everyone is, but this has been nice, really.
Fentanyl is abused for its intense euphoric effects. Fentanyl results in frequent overdoses that can lead to RESPIRATORY DEPRESSION and death.
Gosh just imagine a 39 lb child with asthma getting ahold of one of those perco-pops. Little consolation but….if she did ingest an opiate she most likely would have just went to sleep and didn’t wake up.
Many of the people “in the know” in this case seem to discount the theory that Haleigh is dead. I hope and pray they know something we don’t and they are right.
To Karon Cox (10-18-09 7:49 p.m.):
Agree with you!
I agree Karon I don’t “do” confrontation or nastiness very well….I don’t mind if someone doesn’t agree with me at all as long as it’s not nasty.
Katfish:
I so hope she is alive. If she is, someone is in deep trouble. Even if it is family, they are in trouble.
Kat,
Yes, County pays, and if inmate is a fed, the Federal Gov picks up the tab. It has something to do with contracts between the Jails and Gov entities. I worked @ a County Jail, we housed inmates that were County, U.S. Marshal, Fed, INS, etc. And when I say the level of care was excellent… I mean it was excellent… I arranged the outside appts as well as the inside ones. We’re talking from dental to cancer treatments, you name it, they got it.
Karon,
I said the same thing last night on the other thread. It’s so pleasing to be able to express how you feel without being blasted, because you don’t agree with someone else.
Justice:
What stood out to you on the radio program, this afternoon?
To HollysGmom (10-18-09 10:09 p.m.):
This might help you in your project. It is from CFNews 13, Jacksonville, Fl.:
http://www.cfnews13.com/Search.aspx?search=Haleigh Cummings Case
CFNews 13 Jacksonville, Fl. (as of 10-18-09)
A few weeks ago, I posted a Link to numerous articles, videos, etc., re the Haleigh Cummings Case. I think I deleted it from my computer. If I find any more, I will post it for you.
I think your idea is excellent!
Cent:
I don’t know why people got so mean on this subject, but I think everyone should be allowed to have their own opinion.
Karon,
Yes, I think so too. That’s the point of blogging, I thought, share how you feel.
I’ve just listened to the broadcast again, and I’m actually concerned about this Class Action Suit being discussed. Only I guess because this entire case has been mired enough.
To HollysGmom:
Here is a Link from WESH 2. It is sorted by date. You can click on Relevance and it will sort by relevance.
http://www.wesh.com/search/form.html?qt=Haleigh%20Cummings%20Case&video=on&stories=on&date
WESH 2 Orlando, Fl. (as of 10-19-09)
Cent:
These things usually take such a long time. If this case is going to be solved, it probably will be before the case starts up.
Cent, I was thinking about that too after Karon asked justice what stood out the most about today’s broadcast. Do I remember correctly that Cobra is bringing this suit and he said it was going to break this case wide open? Honestly, no offense to Cobra but, I will believe that when I see it.
Goodness, I’m getting tired. Time for bed…thanks for the conversation folks. TTYL
To HollysGmom:
Here is a Link re the Haleigh Cummings Case from MyFox Orlando:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/cummings_case MyFoxOrlando Orlando, Fl. (as of 10-19-09)
Cent and katfish:
Goodnight katfish, enjoyed the conversation.
Cent: This class action suit might have some info that could help in the case.
Hi katfish.. I will quote your post …
“Katfish would like to add:
I said the same but several folks in chat said that Jr. also had a bed that was properly assembled (so I guess there was a bed for Misty to look under?). I don’t remember that from the NG tour….but it may have been shown or maybe some have been in the trailer who commented? IDK
Really, IMO Misty’s inconsistent statements are not that glaring of statements but the fact LE says her account of events don’t match the evidence says a lot!”
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Katfish..
Im glad this one little inconsistency about the bed, was resolved. There are many inconsistencies like this one, that are simply unfounded and untrue. The media has alot to do with it, and we have fallen under their spell and believe everything we read, no matter who the author is..We are holding no one accountable…
The second bedroom was NEVER SHOWN on NG… she wasnt going to spend anytme on the second bedroom, as her producer was more focused on the 2 mattresses on the floor…
I also want to address your last statement, and I will quote it
” the fact LE says her account of events don’t match the evidence says a lot!”
That statement was made by LE however you have cut off their last sentence that goes along with your quoted statement… The issing sentence, actually changes the entire context of their statement…
LE goes on to say, that the reason they say the evidence doesnt match is for one reason….. THEY SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT THERE WAS NO FORCED ENTRY….They explain that the evidence (of her saying she went to bed and then wole up to see Haleigh gone, in inconsistent as there was no forced entry….
That explanation that LE gives (I am providing a link to the last press conference below) actually explains alot…and what they mean by no evidence supporting her account…
The bottom line is becasue LE doesnt think there was forced entry, they think it is not likley that a stranger abduction cud have happened… They are doing the same thing that LE did in the Jessica Lunsford case where she was stolen out from her grammas sleeping nose… If they had not found her remains down the road, with dna from the RSO, the grandparents wud have been in the same shoes as Misty is.. There was no forced entry either.. There are many cases like this where children are taken from their beds with the moms 10 ft away..LE is wrong to rule out that possibilty and they are stuck on the last known person to have seen her.. It is a shame as they need professionals working the case..
Here is the link for the last press conference with LE Oct 2 09
To Karon Cox (10-18-09 11:52 p.m.)
I am sorry that I did not respond sooner. I am searching my computer files for info I saved on Haleigh thinking some of it might be helpful to HollysGmom for her project. I post the Link and then I’m gone.
The thing that really stood out to me is Cobra’s reconciliation with Kim P. and the lawsuit they plan on filing against whomever.
I will quote you Tuff…
“Tuff Stuff said,in October 18th, 2009 at 8:50 pm The comment about looking under the beds (plural) was only but one of the inconsistancies that I’ve heard and/or read about. Why is that one issue regarding looking under the beds a main focus?”
I think that the lesson here is that there are many events that have been incorrectly reported and deemed to be inconsistencies of Misty’s..
It is mostly media who has misquoted Misty, or someone else close in the investigation, that have given many wrong details f Miasty said or didnt say. Noone holds the media accountable and are taking everything written, verbatim…
The bed inconsitency is a great example of shoddy reporting, and iresponsible reading on our part.. if you list all the inconsistencies that you can think of, chances are they dio not exist within LE and it is sloppy reporting that started it.. try and go bak to the souce of who said it, and that should help …
Another example is where Tim Miller said that Ron told him the beds were made…..???? WTH Clearly, if he did say that, he was trying to explain that the beds were messy… he has denied what TM has said vehemently.. Also, knowing how rRon struggles with hs wocabulary and english in general, I believe that he may have actually used the wrong word… Again we have to consider where we hear this.. Clearly, when LE went to investigate, there wud have been a big problem for misty if she told the attendiong officer they weere in that bed, and it hadnt been slept in… we have to give LE a bit of credit… thwey wud have arrested her on the spot for probable cause..
This is an old article. It shows the chair made from tree branches and has an interesting comment supposedly from Ron Cummings (4th paragraph from the bottom of article).
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/florida-police-receive-new-leads-in-abduction-of-haleigh-cummings.html
Investigation Discovery Article dated 2-17–09
hello everyone,
i didn’t listen to show yet. looking forward to doing that. yes, people tonight are discussing issues respectfully. i have almost never blogged or posted before. many here are very good with words. i struggle to say things in a constructive way for people to “hear” without them seeing my face and knowing me. i truly am learning from all of you. well, i am trying. i had trouble using emoticons, but for some reason it is working for me now. emoticons help. people good at letter writing have an advantage. 🙂
this is something that may upset some. i personally believe some intend to just rile. just because. and some on the blogs, are trying to sway public opinion. at least i see it that way. i like this blog because many here really care about what happens to haleigh. and, i think most here even when they critize people do realize, we are talking about human beings. human beings, like all of us with good points, and unfortunately with our bad points. how many people are under the magnification to the world, all of haleigh’s people are. nothing about any of this is fair to anyone.
cent, i did and do want cobra to stay involved. so we, disagree. i hope he lends something to the search. but, geeze we all need to hear other points of views. you are a very respectful, person. i value what you have to say. thanks for the different point of view. if we all agreed, why do we need to to come together and talk. hopefully in part to learn from each other. (does, that sound okay, or do i sound preachy??)
well i hope c.e. arrest helps the police in haleigh’s case.
Hi Karen I will quote you..
“Karon Cox said,in October 18th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Children are known, all of the time to swallow horrible stuff. I don’t know if it is curiosity, or what, but they do it all the time. A child might do what she sees adults doing, just to be a copy-cat or feel important.
If Haleigh was at a party with alot of pot smoking and cigarette smoking, she could have had an asthma attack and died. Ronald said her inhaler was still at the house, so Misty might have forgotten it. Misty is so young she might not have realized how serious an asthma attack could be. Everybody at the party could have panicked because they were using drugs. IMO”
Im just wondering if you think that it wud be almost impossible for this story not getting to LE in the last 8 months… These ppl at this party wud likley be addicts and broke and young.. do you think its likley that several ppl, cud have known such facts, and not told one person??? I think the thought that Misty was anywhere but home, isnt very plausible.. and highly unlikey..How did they get there, how many ppl wud have seen her… where did they put her, and how did Misty get bak home all in the time frame 7pm to 3am and not be seen by someone who wud have told LE? Souds to farfetched to be real… seems more realiastic that she was at home..and were the heck was junior????
Karon,
The suit might have some useful info in it, but IF there IS useful info and You know this, You don’t need a suit to bring IT forward.
As you stated earlier, these class suits take time… what good is the info to HaLeigh at the moment, if they are not exposing it.
I’m just having a difficult time with the entire mess. I like to believe the good in people, even if I don’t personally know them. At this stage… I’m having serious reservation… with all this money, suit, retribution, break up/make up, slandering crap, being discussed in so-called relations to this baby.
I think there are agendas other than finding HaLeigh ay play!!!
Simon, can you please have everyone speak up a little bit. Even with my volume turned all the way up, there are many times that I cannot hear what Cobra and Jan are saying. I love your show and look forward to it every Sunday. Thank you for not forgetting about our little Haleigh.
off topic – about crime
***the Department of Justice says violent crime has declined since 1993,***
A study by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center points to an arresting development in the land of the free: For the first time, one in every 100 adults is behind bars, and state funds spent annually on corrections have swelled from $10.6 billion in 1987 to $44 billion.
***While the Department of Justice says violent crime has declined since 1993,*** drug arrests and reported crimes have increased.
if this info is true, then we are progressing in lowering violent crimes. that would be the good news. as for the rest…
paragraph in article By KOPIN TAN on barrons.com
thought some might fnd interesting
Regardng children and medication..
When I was 2 yrs old my middle sister, 5 at the time, climb up the shelves in our hall closet and knocked down some pill bottles.
Iron pills spilled all over the floor, and she ate a few and told me they were M&M’s. Needles to say, I ate damn near the entire contents. I didn’t just swallow them, I CHEWED them up. When I was found I was very, very bad off!!!
To this day I can still remember everything about it, from how upset my mother and father were, to the feeling of having my stomach pumped. The look on their faces can’t be described. I think they felt tremendous guilt as any parent would.
That was 36 yrs ago, and to my mother it’s as fresh as today’s news!!
Ms.Peridot,
You sound just fine !!!!
Cent
Fed up with Misty Fest:
I don’t know what happened to Haleigh, as I said earlier, tonight. My point was children could take medication that tastes awful, and they do it all the time.
I am looking at all angles that are presented but, actually, I think Misty is the fall guy in all of this.
I don’t think any of us have enough of the facts to say who is guilty or not guilty.
cent, wew glad your parents realized in time.
when my son was 5yro, we went to someones house, as i turned around, i saw him sticking a house key in a electrical socket. (ours were plugged.) i had taught him to stay away from outlets. or so i thought! 5 year olds use adult words and sound like they understand more than they really do. why i never ruled out just a “normal” childhood accident. just like you and your sister, h.c, may have ingested something. or maybe a fall. can happen to anyone. someone one panicked and didn’t know how to handle. also the same with asthma, asthma can be tricky. at 5 maybe she was not showing as much outward signs as she use to.
same age 5. thought i taught him not to answer door. haa! getting out of shwr to landlord stndg there. maybe haleigh did answer the door in excitment of seeing someone she likes, and thought she was helping as misty was too tired to answer. this seems less likely to me.
but, also adults get tricked into opening doors to people, so a child …
Ms.Peridot:
You are expressing yourself very well. Some of the people on these blogs use so many abbreviations, I don’t know what they are talking about.
The radio program was good tonight.
Here is a Link from Putnam County Sheriff’s Office re Ronald Cummings most recent (8-6-09) booking.
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=755689&IMG=49930 PCSO Jail Ronald Cummings booking
Does anyone know when his trial is scheduled?
Justice:
You know KP and Cobra do know quite alot and, maybe, the two of them getting back together will bring some facts out that haven’t been brought out before.Two heads are better than one(so to speak).
Here is a Link to Putnam County Sheriff’s Office if anyone wants to do research on some of the players in the Haleigh Cummings Case who have been a “guest” of PCSO:
http://www.pcso.us/corrections
PCS0 Palatka, Fl
Toughenough, you have heard many times the ole addage, divide and conquer.. Well, I do believe you are right, I think the next circus side show will be the encouragement, for her to go against Ron. There is an agenda out there that Ron is the Person who needs to be in Jail. Well, we also know that once Ron is in Jail, the Custody Issue will again arise, and without Ron available to care for the Little Guy, guess what.. This isn’t Rocket science, its the only way they are going to switch Junior from one parent to the other. The last one didn’t work.
So, a new plan had to be made. Talk about interference in Parental Custody, somewhere down the line someone with a badge is going to figure this out.
I learned one thing after listening to this show…stay out of the chat room…lol
Not that I didn’t enjoy the other posters in chat, I did, but it was very distracting. I lost the whole hour & had to go back & listen to the show again.
When the panel talked about the case coming full circle (back to what they learned in the beginning) I take that as a reference to the original rumors of Misty not being home, the party..Chad, WBG, NayNay, etc.
If that’s the case, I have to wonder if all this media attention that was brought in was even necessary? Was it really a cold case?
Hindsight is 20/20 but it appears to me that all this attention only handicapped the investigation.
I’m confused about something now.
I thought that Kim Picazio brought Cobra into this investigation, not the other way around.
The comment Cobra made about an hour & 5 minutes into the discussion about telling Kim he’d make her famous in one day’ (or something to that effect) is what confuses me.
Anybody?
Skywise, the way I remember it is Cobra was there first. He called Kim because he thought Crystal needed representation. SO I think Kim came on Cobra’s request but I think she is an adult and made that choice because she wanted to do it. I don’t think Cobra is responsible for the good or bad that came her way there. I don’t even think Kim would say he was responsible. Also, Art came there because he accepted a paying job. I think that too is a choice he made and Cobra is not responsible.
That is just the way I see it. At my house we try to own our own crap not blame it on someone else. JMO Treece
Well, I was purposely trying to ignore that mess and I almost resent having to research it but I’ve got it now.
The anon child advocate hired him & then he got Kim…yada yada…then they stepped all over each other…yada yada.
I need a Goody’s orange headache powder.
“…One of the things that disturbs me most about Cindy and George (and there are many) is the total uncaring and disregard for anyone who happened to come in contact with Casey and were eventually vicimized by her in one way or another!!! They don’t care about all the lives that Casey has turned upside down or ruined. Most people would show some empathy towards the victims even it was their own daughter causing the pain. From the man who wanted to step up and be a father to a baby that was not his, to a friend and family members who were stolen from, and to a innocent woman named as the baby sitter who kidnapped Caylee….it goes on and on. Casey’s lies and actions have caused so much pain to so many the worst being, of course, her murdering her own daughter…”
That statement was ripped out of my own thoughts – it has always profoundly disturbed me that Cindy and George have been so willing to ‘blame everyone else’ but their own child – Casey. To blame Casey would be to admit their – George and Cindy’s – own faults as parents – which is something a ‘perfect family’ could not/does not/will never do! That ‘doberman’ b*tch Cindy and her walker George have spewed nothing by vile ‘mis-truths’ and total lies from the start of this case.
My heart, tears and prayers goes out to all the victims in this case – Caylee, Jesse, Rev. Grund, Amy, Zanieda, Tony…. and the list goes on!
The evidence based so far from the released discovery points to only one logical conculsion – Casey is responsible for the death of that precious doe eyed cherub – Caylee.
One Day Closer to Justice for Caylee Marie Anthony!
Fed Up with the Misty “Fest”,
I’m not exactly sure that the media is all to blame for the inconsistancies as a matter of fact I’m not buying that spin at all quite actually.
During the 911 call Misty told the 911 operator that “We can’t find “our” Daughter”. Clearly not true.
Misty changed her description of what had happened prior to calling 911 more than once.
Misty claimed that she had washed Haleigh’s blanket yet, there was no laundry soap.
Misty claimed she had gone to be at 10pm and that her and Jr. were asleep in Ron’s and Misty’s bed yet the bed was still made which indicates that no one had been sleeping in it after all.
Has Misty ever publicly added to her version of the story that GGMa Sykes was there at 7pm dropping clothes off at the mobile home?
Also there was no forced entry and according to Ron the door was locked. Ron “specifically” stated that he had checked that door before he left for work and Misty has also said all along that “the door was locked”.
For anyone to complain that LE needs to look at other people or possibilities seems as pure contempt IMO.
I am fairly certain that LE investigators are looking at all possibilities.
That is their job.
Apparently the issues that LE have with Misty have yet to be resolved and from the way it appears it looks to be that it is Misty herself who is the hold up.
How many people has Misty thrown under the bus so to speak?
IMO Misty pointing fingers at everyone else doesn’t help in resolving anything either except bringing more focus onto herself.
Tuff Stuff, all you say may be true but that doesn’t necessarily make Misty guilty. My children were lost at a park one time during a Christmas light festival. I was crazy out of my mind. Running around every where looking for them. Had security searching for them. I was scared out of my mind. I couldn’t even remember what they were wearing. Misty’s mishaps on the 911 call could be totally due to her anxiety that Haleigh was gone. This is giving her the benefit of the doubt that she was truly asleep and woke up to find her missing. Since we don’t know if she is guilty of anything I can see how it could have been fear and confusion. Just food for thought. Treece
Justice:
Your comment about Ron’s last arrest: I had forgotten all about it because Ron never has to answer for anything in that town, for whatever reason. He isn’t called Teflon Ron for nothing.
skywise, there are a lot of things that have surprised me about this case. Somethings I think Haleigh going missing is so much like Caylee gone missing that it is frightening. And the people involved in both.. And some of the reason they have become involved in one or the other or both.. The further down the road we get the more seems to come out. And comments such as that seem to stick around and finally find meaning. The issue over the Alibi statement bothers me even more.. That statement takes credibility away…
Anyone have the exact inconsistencies of Misty’s? Item by Item
What I remember about that arrest is Misty paid $12K to bail him out. If he bailed out he will have court date. The assault charges are still against him if I understand it right. But how are you going to make them stick on a man that was at his residence, someone came over at 4 in the morning, was told to leave & kept hanging around. I think Ron will walk on these charges.
JMO Treece
mlee, skywise, treece! You all have good points!
I am afraid that mlee’s thoughts at 6:26am may have some merit. The idea cannot be dismissed or ignored. I think we’ll have to keep a close eye on what happens in future.
I’m certainly not interested in another installment of “As the custody battle turns” or the new saga of the “class action suit”
I agree with treece’s philosophy of taking responsibility for our part in things. In other words no one person is to blame for the horrendous mess that this case has become or that we are absolutely nowhere closer to finding Haleigh. A lot of people are responsible for that.
Whether KP invited WCS to this case or vice versa, the end result of KP’s representation of Crystal was pretty much (IMO) to shut down investigation of that side of the family. AND to turn a missing child case into a custody battle. Maybe that was her job – I don’t like Bozo Baez’s job either – or the way he’s doing it. But that’s how the law works I guess.
Anyway, all that hullabaloo gained was publicity for her and for WCS (and others I guess). I didn’t see any gain for Haleigh.
I, too, thought WCS said on the radio that he brought KP in for publicity – for her, himself, supposedly Haleigh, and to “protect” Jr.
At that stage I did not see that Jr was in danger but that’s my opinion and I guess others felt differently. And I thought it was pretty tasteless to haggle about the custody of a missing (and possibly deceased) child instead of concentrating 100 % on finding her. And also terrible to hinder the investigation of that side of the family (Crystal may not have done it or even know about it but there are plenty of questionable/unsavory characters around her ). All KP did was get a thorough investigation derailed (IMO).
I sure hope we are not going to have to hear a blow by blow account of the “friends’ again” “class action suit.” If they’ve been unfairly maligned or slandered by a publication then I wish them well in rectifying it but I am not here for that.
All I want to know about is where is the investigation of Haleigh’s disappearance.
As far as I can see it’s not something KP is equipped or experienced in doing and WCS is no longer in a position to pursue it. Certainly not with any credibility. I mean who is going to confide in him when he talks so much publicly? When he switches sides out of the blue? When friends become enemies and then friends again? When he’s in serious legal trouble himself?Really?
I’m glad he’s got a TV program going and I wish him well with it. I hope he’ll make that his priority now as well as tending to his legal troubles which I also wish him well with. But I sure don’t see how he can be any help to Haleigh anymore.
And since I’m on this track, I’d just like to mention that initially someone asked him to look into Haleigh’s disappearance, then someone hired him, then someone else hired him. When that was over he said he worked it on his own time and money. Admirable but that’s exactly how his regular job works, isn’t it? You look for bail skippers on your own time and get paid when you bring them in. Same thing here. If he’d been successful he’d have gotten the reward.
So when he ran out of money why not go back to the regular work, make some and return to Satsuma instead of asking kindly bloggers for donations? Come on!
I am sorry he got in legal trouble but I can sort of understand it. A bull in a china shop, crticizing everyone including local LE; and “fighting” with KP (real or staged we now have to ask ourselves?). Working on someone else’s turf and who takes it on himself to “arrest” an SO who EVERYONE already knew had driven over to Haleighbug Hdqtrs. And he did it on camera. Why? For the publicity is the only answer I can think of. Because you know what? If that SO had gone to jail, you think local LE would have let WCS interrogate him about Haleigh? No. There was nothing about WCS’s arresting that SO that would have helped Haleigh as far as I can see. So if some local LE and/or bail bondsmen wanted to put a stop to him making a spectacle of himself and making the locals look like idiots, I can kind of understand it. It doesn’t make what they did right (if they did trick him and are lying about it).
The only other scenario that makes sense to me – and this one is entirely in my imagination – is that there is a conspiracy of SO’s (or people with other agendas – drugs? politics? other secrets?) in local LE and/or the local bail industry and/or politics or other positions of power and influence who are involved in Haleigh’s disapparance and are controlling the investigation. And who have happily and easily used WCS and possibly KP (as well as others) to do it.
Either way, I don’t see how either of those two people can really contribute to meaningful efforts to find her now. JMHO.
Well Treece if you think about it, all of these excusatory considerations and comments are not really helping the case much either.
We all know that LE needs to clear up a few issues with Misty.
I for one would like to see Misty getting those issues resolved once and for all so that this case can move forward in a sincere effort to find Haleigh.
BTW I do not necessarily believe that Misty is directly guilty either.
I do have my own opinions and thoughts but no matter what, as for me, I’ll wait until I see actual evidence and proof revealed by LE and/or investigators before I am completely convinced of anyone’s guilt.
Sara Jane-Oct-19-09
Iam with you all the way!How she casey can sit in a court of law and try and make eye contact with the judge by batting her eyes and smileing putting her hand up over her mouth! Just like she does at Bozo! Only the judge is not a Bozo! All others she looks at like she kill and hang out to dry! Even George and sindee what a pefect name for Sin- DEE!!!!
I should also add that I do not discount incidences reported by folks like Cobra, Tim Miller, Art Harris, T.J. Hart etc… These guys have more insight to the goings on after the fact than any of us possibly could and I do appreciate their efforts in trying to find little Haleigh Cummings.
Tuff Stuff, I agree excusing Misty’s mistakes don’t help solve this crime. The one thing that I think is resolved, in my mind now, is why Ron married Misty. In the beginning I thought it was one of two reasons, which were either to keep her quiet from something she knew about or because he didn’t want to get charged with stat. rape. I am now convinced it was the stat rape thing. I believe this because if it was to keep her quiet he would still be married to her. But this is totally speculation and doesn’t change anything for Haleigh now.
Hello Everyone, just catching up. Thanks for the update on Chad E arrest. I was wondering about that. I have to agree with Karon Cox here .I too believe Misty is taking the fall. I do believe she knows and so far the only person she has lied for has been Ron. Misty came out on an interview and stated Ron was not cussing her in the 911 call. Misty said he was not talking to her. Well WE all know that is not true; we all heard it. The second was the alibi she gave Ron for ratgate. I hope Misty will think about herself here and what she maybe facing. I am sure she is scared. Misty has every right to be scared! I am not sure who is responsible and I want the right ones to be punished! Misty needs to come clean now so she can possibly make a deal for herself.
If I remember correctly, the story went, that on the day of the Memorial for Little Caylee, that Cobra was present and was introducted to Rev Grund, by Leonard Padilla. His arrival in Satsuma was on March 15, although he must have made a trip up here prior, since Kim was hired to act as representative to help with the Media, or both must have been done on the phone.
And by Kim’s arrival in Satsuma, shortly after Ronald and Misty’s Wedding, Kim was hired by Crystal, Free Bono, to represent her in the Child Abuse Case against Ron. This occured on March 12, 2009. So who recommended whom We have to go with what they state, but I must conclude the recommendation had to have been by phone. I also believe Rev. Grund has ask Cobra to assist on the case, and it was on the day of the Memorial, thats what I had heard Occurred.
But, this is also the same timeline that Marie had contacted Wayanne and she was Present on the 12th of March. And, the first interview on Nancy Grace for Kim. And she tells the story on the airways. My question, If Ronald had not married Misty, would kim have been hired to represent Crystal in an Child Abuse case against Ronald. Something tells me, that would not have occurred. Maybe the case would have followed a more simple path, maybe resolved by now. Whoever recommended whom, I don’t think the issues that followed were productive in Finding Little Haleigh. Can anyone remember anything during that time that lead Le in Haleigh’s Direction??
I am waiting for Cobra to post here. Hmmm
lol…
Here’s an analogy….
The PCSO is trying to make dinner in their little bitty efficiency kitchen.
The only thing WE (media, bloggers, advocates & PIs) have accomplished is piling a million people into that little bitty kitchen demanding to know why dinner isn’t ready.
looking for justice, I will be as honest as I can on this.. I don’t know if she was protecting Ron over his comments during the 911 tape, just don’t know. but, I do know that on the ratgate issue, she was protecting both she and ron, since they had equal involvement. Now, the next issue.. against her brother.. Her family claims that misty made many calls during the middle of the nights to them. On this occassion they responded. She denied the calls. Then, she made a statement to Le about the fight and being hit in the face by her brother and father while trying to break it up. To the Judge for the restraining order, she stated, her brother after the fight deliberately approached her and struck her in the face. night and day, after the fight her brother was leaving in the van, when did he have the opportunity. Maybe the Judge had not read the police report. Yes, I agree Misty needs to come clean and tell everything, but I also believe Misty has a big problem with telling the truth. I don’t know why, but has no guilt in not being honest. Is she in harms way with Ron. No, and I don’t really believe she ever was. I believe this girl can put out as much as she can take. I know that she can be swayed by people, not capable of determining if others are using or manipulating, or flat out lying to her. Misty is a 17 year old, who is very street wise, but emotionally immature, I think she’s working on about 14 or 15 in her emotions. Right now, sticking with her attorney and listening to him, his recommendations might be the best thing for misty, without interference from outsiders who have an agenda at hand. We all want to know what she knows, but I know that to work on her while she has an Attorney would not be beneficial to anyone or to the case. I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. Things can come out of the Shadows and bite people in the Butt for interference between an Attorney and their Client. Will misty ever talk or give up info? That will be between her and Mr.Fields and the PCSO.
skywise kray – That’s a great analogy! But whether we’re in the kitchen with them or looking in through a window we need to be there. I think that without the attention we help to bring to this case, it might have fallen by the wayside long ago.
Also I am still concerned that local LE jumped to some conclusions early on and have not thoroughly investigated some other angles and people. I don’t know that for sure, of course. I understand that they can’t and shouldn’t tell us everything they are doing. But at least we can let them know we hope they are pursuing every avenue and have not made up their minds and kept “busy” waiting on Misty.
FYI all, Misty is dropping the restraining order against her brother. She filed the Motion to Dissolve the Injunction on Friday the 16th.
2009-10-16 010.REOPEN – MOTION TO DISSOLVE INJUNCTION-MISTY CUMMINGS
2009-10-16 011.IDENTIFICATION – DRIVER’S LICENSE-MISTY CUMMINGS
Looks like Misty will move back in with her family once the R.O. is dropped.
I doubt that Misty has other choices.
Hi Tuff,
Thanks for the oppurtunity to discuss the inconsistencies… here is the 1st one that you specify
#1). “During the 911 call Misty told the 911 operator that “We can’t find “our” Daughter”. Clearly not true.”
Oay, what is not true about this statement? Are you referring to this staement becasue she says “OUR” ??? Really, I soubt that cud fall under inconsistency..clearly she had acted like her mother for a long time (to a 16 yr old) as well I suspect Ron referred to Misty in that way along with having the children refer to”Misty as their mom… I think this one is really fer fetched… lets give her the benfit on this one..
#2).Misty changed her description of what had happened prior to calling 911 more than once”
To who Tuff??? What has she cnhanged the account with? HAve you seen all the footage of her speaking her own words? If so can you specify what MISTY has sd out of her own mouth ..that is an inconsistency… I will not argue that the likes of many reporters and writers have written articles where they are “putting words in Misty’s mouth” especially by using someone elses account… eg. Ron was interviewed many times by diff media and has certainly been out of it on sedatives where he clearly speaks for Misty and has sd wrong information… He is so inarticulate, that it is no surpirse that he has made mistakes at Mistys expenese… We have also seen Ron, even last wk after the divorce was reported, where Ron says Mistys story HA NOT changed… maybe some differnt words but SMAME STORY……It is unfair to use a reporters story as verbatim when he is relating hearsay, and then use it against Misty.
#3). “Misty claimed that she had washed Haleigh’s blanket yet, there was no laundry soap.
Misty sd she had “cleaned” Haleigh’s blanket and SO WHAT if there was no laundry detergent? How often do you think that family had the LUXURY of having laundry soap????????? IJudging form the way they appear too live, it wudnt surprise me at all if they use dish detergent to wash clothes. Laundry detergent is prollly something they dont have much around there! This should hardly be used as an inconsistency….
#4). “Misty claimed she had gone to be at 10pm and that her and Jr. were asleep in Ron’s and Misty’s bed yet the bed was still made which indicates that no one had been sleeping in it after all.”
Says who???????????? Says Tim Miller, who we have seen is totally prejudice against Misty..and furthermore, here is more HEARSAY….. Ron prolly described a messy bed, as though the bed was “made” cuz he is so articully impaired..Has this not been aparant to anyone???? ALso, Ron has denied that he feels Miaty has lied about anything… So why wud he, behind closed doors to the likes of Tim Miller.. say something like that…
Do you not think LE wud ave gone and looked at the sleeping quarters in question?????? Do you think if they saw this, that they wud have walked away from Misty???? That wud have been probable cause and they wud have arrested her on something ..child neglect endangerment, lying to LE..something… So dont put to much weight on this one..
#5). “Has Misty ever publicly added to her version of the story that GGMa Sykes was there at 7pm dropping clothes off at the mobile home?”
Im not sure where you are going with this one… LE has corroborated that TN account of being there to drop off clothes that evening… Misty accounted for this along with Tommy earlier (5ish) as well as the AC man…. So not sure where you are going with this one…
#6). #Also there was no forced entry and according to Ron the door was locked. Ron “specifically” stated that he had checked that door before he left for work and Misty has also said all along that “the door was locked”.”
Are you aware of how may many chld abductions have been successful, where there was no forced entry, and the child was sleeping feet away from their mother??????? What about the front door??? What about the fact that they were all outside in the front and back where anyone may have accessed the front door and hid inside, till everyone was asleep … This kind of thing happens….
Danielle Vandam – Her mother even closed the garge door at 2AM that night…she had no idea that a perp had taken her sleeping daughter out of that very door… NO FORCED ENTRY….(neighbor)
Jessica Lunsford – Same thing..gramma was sleeping 10 ft away… NO FORCED ENTRY… in this case they found her remains soon after but until they did the grandparenst were treated like scum becuase of being accused of lying!!!!!!!Oh, and these were adults who were articluate and had communication knowledge..unlike Misty and Ron Neighbor)
Elizabeth Smart – Lived under a cloud of suspicion, and disrespect and he was very articluate After his brother failed the poly, needless to say it got worse for Ed Smart and his family…. Good ending on this one, though!(previous conractor)
Poly Klaas, …. no forced entry ..the list goes on and on, of kids who were taken away from their home without the parent waking up or knowing…. This is where LE is stuck… (stranger)
Another example of a last known eye witness is Jaycee’s stepfather… Look at what happened to him… and there was no internet bak then… He was scum in the worlds eyes and not only lost Jaycee, but lost his marriage too, not to mention his good name..
Samantha Runnion….these are only a handful of examples where there was no “evidence” of forced entry, where the child is gone and the ppl are looked as as suspects..these examples are where the victim was found and it was determined who commited the heinous crime….
It appears as though no one wants to take into consideration that she may be telling the truth… Some of the media has taken advantage of the type of ppl they are (age, IQ, assertion ability, or lack thereof) and have gone to town by creating this shadow… WHy??? Well of course its all about money… They get paid for these stories and notoriety is always to ones benefit to have their name/foundation/ or service getting national coverage… That wud be the motive for shoddy writing … PPl want a story, so they get one… Also, you have to remember that LE can arrest on probable cause…. If all of these inconsistencies had any truth to them you have to know to use logic and be aware that Misty wud have bween arrested!
Also, the examples I hjave sited, were of ppl, wheo were well established in their communities, as el as respected.. Misty and Ron did not have that same establsihment, at the start. They are young and have lived crazy lives with all kinds of dysfunction. That should heradly be a reason for them or her to be convicted by the public. Unfortunately,. there seems to be many ppl who live that lifestyla as it is all they have known… They arent alone in that assessment..
#7). “For anyone to complain that LE needs to look at other people or possibilities seems as pure contempt IMO.
I am fairly certain that LE investigators are looking at all possibilities.
That is their job.”
If you are implying that I dont think LE is looking at other ppl, you are mistaken. I do think they have and are looking at other ppl. I also think its to their advantage to let the ppl believe Misty is the perp, in order for the real perp to slip up and become complacent. I believe if they thought that Misty was 00 percent guilty, then I think thwey wud have arrested her on something…It wud be logical to think that….I can only hope that they are doing their job as in some cases above, the answers fell into the laps of LE… Ed Smart and Jaycee are examples of how LE stopped looking when they felt they had their suspect, and dropped the ball ..It was Ed who kept the search going and had the right perp sought and arrested… NO THANKS to LE in that one… Jaycees either..infact it was totally missed… Yes I realize they are only human, but it is we the public who have to look at this from every angle ad be fair to out fellow brother.. Ask yourself..have you been sold by lots of garbage? If do ..has has this help Haleigh?
#8). “Apparently the issues that LE have with Misty have yet to be resolved and from the way it appears it looks to be that it is Misty herself who is the hold up.”
Apparantly, you are incorrect with this statement.. Misty wud have been arrested if LE had any evidence that led to her… Lack of information and evidence on a poss perp, IS NOT PROBABLE CAUSE..god thing or many ppl I mentioned above wud have been in the chair ….
#9). “How many people has Misty thrown under the bus so to speak?
IMO Misty pointing fingers at everyone else doesn’t help in resolving anything either except bringing more focus onto herself.”
Is the glass half empty, or half full???? Im glad you see that Misty seems to have no fear, in pointing fingers, which is consistent with my point that if she knew anything…DONT YOU THINK she wud have said something by now??????
Please read my repsonses to all your thoughts that you have posted. See if you can open up you heart and mind to be able to see, that we may be allowing ourselves to be fed poison apples….Is the real perp laughing? I bet Phillip Garrido (that PIG) was having a party watcing LE go after the step dad..How many 16 yr olds wud make several attempts to keep talking and continue being interrogated to help LE move on??? If she talks ..How can she win? We collectively can do better than this..If you have anymore inconsistencies that are aiding in your formed opinion against Misty..please bring them to the table and lets discuss them to.
WHERE IS HALEIGH????
Thanks J.
Like Treece said I also doubt she has other choices. It might all very well be what was intended to happen also so?
I think I have a clue as to why Misty keeps saying someone on the mothers side took her! Crystal has a relative by her mothers marriage named billye Griffis ( a girl). Billye was married and lived down the way from the trailer and would visit haleigh. 4 weeks before haleigh dissappeared her husband died mysteriously and her lover moved in to this mans trailer with billye 2 weeks before haleigh went missing. The man is aregistered sex offender. His name is Donald Lee Sapp! sex offender file list address at billye’s trailer and the property appraisal map shows the trailer right down the street. He had been in the trailer a few times and woulkd have been an insider who knew how the door worked. He was also friendly with Hank”tommy” and lindsey.
FuwtmF, I agree that there is a huge possibility that Misty is innocent. If you look at my back post you will see that I have defended her many times and actually feel for her. So yes, I have been looking in other directions and believe it is possible that she is telling all she knows and was just mixed up sometimes. I even believe it is probable. But can you acknowledge that it is also possible that she is hiding some info to cover for someone??
as far as the arrest on Chad E., the property appraisal maps show that the guy lives near the L-pond they drained in the Mondex subdivision and an associate down the street was arrested on similar charges. Justice has the link above. Jason M. & Ranie B. are Alleged associates from other forums I’ve checked. WB greg was supposedly taking care of this man Chad E. WB said in an interview his fathers white and mothers black so i wouldn’t be suprised if this was his illegitimate father or relative on his fathers side he was taking care of and staying at that house. The Modex letter may be more sound than originally thought… I just think they have the wrong pond!!!
mel22 you may be right about the wrong pond but I sure hope that you are wrong. I would love for them to some how find Haleigh alive.
mel22 –
Exactamundo.
This is like the Anthony case a little true to keep you hanging on.
I’m going to do my absolute best to try to shorten this post with my responses added.
Fed Up with the Misty “Fest” said,in October 19th, 2009 at 12:52 pm Hi Tuff,
Thanks for the oppurtunity to discuss the inconsistencies… here is the 1st one that you specify
#1). “During the 911 call Misty told the 911 operator that “We can’t find “our” Daughter”. Clearly not true.”
Me- Regardless of what anyone might say Misty is NOT Haleigh’s Mother and Ron and Misty were only living together at the point of time when she made that statement and they had not even been living together or a couple for all that long for her to have made such a statement.
It’s deceptive no matter how you look at it.
#2).Misty changed her description of what had happened prior to calling 911 more than once”
To who Tuff???
Me- I myself witnessed the different stories/versions of Misty’s accounts on both their local and the nationally televised shows. One time she woke up for a drink of water the next it was that she had to go to the bathroom and then another time she stated that she had no idea why she woke up.
#3). “Misty claimed that she had washed Haleigh’s blanket yet, there was no laundry soap.
Misty sd she had “cleaned” Haleigh’s blanket and SO WHAT if there was no laundry detergent?”
Me- Misty said she had to WASH the blanket because it smelled like pee. She did not say she had to clean or wash it by hand in the beginning or now that I know of.
Ron himself said that there was no laundry detergent.
#4). “Misty claimed she had gone to be at 10pm and that her and Jr. were asleep in Ron’s and Misty’s bed yet the bed was still made which indicates that no one had been sleeping in it after all.”
Me- Ron can say that he doesn’t feel that Misty is involved all that he wants. Ron himself said that the bed was still made when he spoke to LE. Is LE discounting this information?
No. Ron has also publicly acknowledged Misty’s inconsistant statements on the Nancy Grace show and addmitted that they “bother” him.
#5). “Has Misty ever publicly added to her version of the story that GGMa Sykes was there at 7pm dropping clothes off at the mobile home?”
Im not sure where you are going with this one…
Me- I am specifically stating the simple fact that Misty herself has not publicly acknowledged the account of GGMa Sykes arrival at the MH at 7pm that evening per GGMa Sykes story.
#6). #Also there was no forced entry and according to Ron the door was locked. Ron “specifically” stated that he had checked that door before he left for work and Misty has also said all along that “the door was locked”.”
Are you aware of how may many chld abductions have been successful, where there was no forced entry, and the child was sleeping feet away from their mother??????? What about the front door??? What about the fact that they were all outside in the front and back where anyone may have accessed the front door and hid inside, till everyone was asleep … This kind of thing happens….
Well that is a given but LE would like for Misty to clear up a few issues that they have so why is Misty not cooperating?
I am aware of all of the cases mentioned and although you have no idea how I feel about any of those cases, especially the case of Jaycee Dugard, I do not believe that what LE had done in those cases were necessarily wrong based on the limited information that they had to work with at the time. If LE didn’t look at the family members people would be screaming about that also because then LE would for sure not have been doing their job.
“It appears as though no one wants to take into consideration that she may be telling the truth…”
Me- Well maybe that is the way it “appears” to you but I highly doubt that is the truth. Misty has not been named a suspect thus far that I know of.
#7). “For anyone to complain that LE needs to look at other people or possibilities seems as pure contempt IMO.
I am fairly certain that LE investigators are looking at all possibilities.
That is their job.”
If you are implying that I dont think LE is looking at other ppl, you are mistaken. I do think they have and are looking at other ppl. I also think its to their advantage to let the ppl believe Misty is the perp, in order for the real perp to slip up and become complacent. I believe if they thought that Misty was 00 percent guilty, then I think thwey wud have arrested her on something…It wud be logical to think that….I can only hope that they are doing their job as in some cases above, the answers fell into the laps of LE… Ed Smart and Jaycee are examples of how LE stopped looking when they felt they had their suspect, and dropped the ball ..It was Ed who kept the search going and had the right perp sought and arrested… NO THANKS to LE in that one… Jaycees either..infact it was totally missed… Yes I realize they are only human, but it is we the public who have to look at this from every angle ad be fair to out fellow brother.. Ask yourself..have you been sold by lots of garbage? If do ..has has this help Haleigh?”
Me- Regardless if I personally were being “sold” on what you consider as garbage or not I just want to know how you believe that it would matter to this case whether I were sold on the alleged garbage or not either way?
LE and the court system are not designed to rely solely on the court of public opinion to determine the outcome of an actual case. There has to be substantial evidence to even make an arrest and/or bring a case to court to begin with.
Opinions are like?…I am sure you know the drill.
I, like many others want Haleigh found and for the right person(s) to be arrested in this case, and for the guilty party or parties to be held accountable. If any of the information that is available to LE ends up providing the proof and/or evidence that LE needs to make their case then right on because that is all that matters when it comes down to it. None of what you, I or any other poster has to add as far as “opinion” goes matters. Look at it like this, Aside from “opinion” what physical evidenciary value does any one of us have that can aide in solving this case?
#8). “Apparently the issues that LE have with Misty have yet to be resolved and from the way it appears it looks to be that it is Misty herself who is the hold up.”
Apparantly, you are incorrect with this statement.. Misty wud have been arrested if LE had any evidence that led to her… Lack of information and evidence on a poss perp, IS NOT PROBABLE CAUSE..god thing or many ppl I mentioned above wud have been in the chair ….
Me- How am I incorrect? LE themselves have stated that they needed to speak with Misty to clear up a few issues with the time line. How can you add supposition about Misty being arrested to the comment when no where in my response did I mention her specifically needing to be arrested? The reason why I did not add that is because I do not know all of the facts and neither do you. I do not believe there is evidence to arrest Misty otherwise that would have already happened.
#9). “How many people has Misty thrown under the bus so to speak?
IMO Misty pointing fingers at everyone else doesn’t help in resolving anything either except bringing more focus onto herself.”
Is the glass half empty, or half full???? Im glad you see that Misty seems to have no fear, in pointing fingers, which is consistent with my point that if she knew anything…DONT YOU THINK she wud have said something by now??????
Please read my repsonses to all your thoughts that you have posted. See if you can open up you heart and mind to be able to see, that we may be allowing ourselves to be fed poison apples….Is the real perp laughing? I bet Phillip Garrido (that PIG) was having a party watcing LE go after the step dad..How many 16 yr olds wud make several attempts to keep talking and continue being interrogated to help LE move on??? If she talks ..How can she win? We collectively can do better than this..If you have anymore inconsistencies that are aiding in your formed opinion against Misty..please bring them to the table and lets discuss them to.
Me- Is there a specific reason why you are continually bringing up the Jaycee Dugard case to me? I hope that both Phillip Garrido and his nasty wife both rot in prison! Oh you have no clue how very angry I am about that whole case but the last thing I would even think to do is point fingers at LE. The LE in that case did the best they could with the information they were given which again was very limited.
From what I understand as things stand as of right now with the Haleigh Cummings case LE is requesting that Misty speak with them to clear up the time line.
IMVHO It’s the least that Misty could do.
I agree – WHERE IS HALEIGH????
Karon Cox,
About the bed…it could be an extra mattress, or there may have been a box spring on Haleigh’s bed. My kids beds have box springs. It helps support the mattress if otherwise the mattress would simply be sitting on a few cross boards.
Anyway, I’m starting to feel that Ron is Mr. Manners when the camera is rolling. He learned from his mistakes when the 911 call was publicly displayed. There is no telling what kind of threats Ron has made to Misty. If he did say he’d kill her, then I don’t blame her for not talking. Put her in protective custody where Ron can’t get to her after she talks. She didn’t look to torn up to me to be divorced from him. She said she wouldn’t fight him on it. When you are 17 you are more vulnerable to manipulative people.
I was glad to hear Lilly/Heart call in & ask about Elliott. I’m guessing she’s the HEART from the SM forum.
Heart hit on Chad Elliott a long time ago. She just hadn’t put it together yet. There are lots of good researchers at SM. They have their info organized fairly well.
I’m a fan of Meow333 at WS too, but I can’t figure out why she’s always in “time out”.
Tuff VS. Fed up (Clash of the titan posts)
Misty changed her description of what had happened prior to calling 911 more than once”
To who Tuff???
Me- I myself witnessed the different stories/versions of Misty’s accounts on both their local and the nationally televised shows. One time she woke up for a drink of water the next it was that she had to go to the bathroom and then another time she stated that she had no idea why she woke up.
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Oooo! Oooo! Ooo! yes yes yes…it’s true, it’s true.
Plus, there’s the fact that she was in the master bedroom (where there was a bathroom) – why leave the room to use the other one?
Fed Up with the Misty “Fest” said,in October 19th, 2009 at 12:26 am
*respectfully snipped to address this portion of your comment*
“That statement was made by LE however you have cut off their last sentence that goes along with your quoted statement… The issing sentence, actually changes the entire context of their statement…
LE goes on to say, that the reason they say the evidence doesnt match is for one reason….. THEY SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT THERE WAS NO FORCED ENTRY….They explain that the evidence (of her saying she went to bed and then wole up to see Haleigh gone, in inconsistent as there was no forced entry….
That explanation that LE gives (I am providing a link to the last press conference below) actually explains alot…and what they mean by no evidence supporting her account…”
*snipped*
That link didn’t post, could you try again or direct me to the publication that the statement by LE appeared on Oct. 2. Thanks 😉
I agree that no forced entrance would not be a good enough reason to totally rule out a stranger abduction. Do you think that we know all of the evidence LE has and all the statements that have been made to them….I don’t.
I thought I heard somewhere that Ron’s mother T. Neves worked for LE in some fashion. Is this why he gets away with breaking numerous laws ? It is ridiculous what goes on in Satsuma. All of the involved families seem stupid and “stupider” and Haleigh is still not found. It’s outrageous.
Katfish, you’re such a polite snipper. 😉
ANON, she did work with another Sheriff’s dept. in Florida.. not putnam. no, her position did not allocate him any favors in Putnam. She is not currenly working with any department right now. What you have been told is an old rumor that races back 8 months ago, when people were beginning to just tear the family apart. Problem with rumors and posters.. Do yourself a favor, if you read don’t believe it until you have researched and confirmed it. good luck.
Yes skywise, I come from a long line of polite snippers. 😉
Hi Tuff, your arguements and allegations are weak at best..
Are you saying that it should be expected that a 16 yr old girl wud even volenteer to anyone that while washing the blanket..she did not use laundry detergent… I am not sure that she even knows there is such a product..How do you know and why do you assume she wud have felt the need to elaborate on that?
I keep bringing up Jaycee’s case becasue of the ffact that her stepfather was wrongly accused for years by LE becasue of the same reason Noevidence supporting someone took Jaycee…Do you know that? Do you know that there are many cases where LE keeps going bak to the last known person who saw the victim in hopes to get more answers??? You havent addressed any of the examples I gave you…
You are not taking it into consideration that Haleigh may have endured the same type of circumstances…..
Also, you say that “your witnessing different shows” is why you are of the opinion that there are inconsistencies… thats pretty weak…Are you that easily led, that you cant take into consideration that “you cant believe everything you read” You should stick with the facts and not get sideswiped by garbage and irresponsible reporting..its out there.. you ahould be aware of this..
MLEE, Thanks for the update. However, don’t you find it odd that Ron and Misty share drugs, smokes, etc. while she is in fact a minor. Consensual sex or not, is that not statutory rape ? Yet, he is never brought up on charges ? Does the law not apply to him for some reason ?
Hi Kat… i saw this update on a site called reality chatter… just google it and go in to forums….you will see a heading under haleigh cummings called haleigh cummings update… there is a video of an update that was given by Sgt Johnny Greenwood on Oct 2…
lol@katfish
Fed Up…the inconsistencies came from Misty’s own mouth. Videotaping her talk isn’t irresponsible reporting.
Your argument is the one that’s weak. I don’t know why you’re trying to belittle Tuff. Fail.
I have a niece that ran off when she was 17, partying, skipping school, staying with an older guy…when my sister went to LE for help she was told their hands were tied, at 17 they couldn’t do anything….however they let my sis know she was still responsible for her until she was 18. WTH? If the police won’t get involved when there is a concerned parent, I’m not surprised they didn’t in the situation with Misty and Ron.
Does anyone know when Misty turns 18? I read somewhere December.
Fed Up with the Misty “Fest” said,in October 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pm Hi Tuff, your arguements and allegations are weak at best..
Are you saying that it should be expected that a 16 yr old girl wud even volenteer to anyone that while washing the blanket..she did not use laundry detergent… I am not sure that she even knows there is such a product..How do you know and why do you assume she wud have felt the need to elaborate on that?
I keep bringing up Jaycee’s case becasue of the ffact that her stepfather was wrongly accused for years by LE becasue of the same reason Noevidence supporting someone took Jaycee…Do you know that? Do you know that there are many cases where LE keeps going bak to the last known person who saw the victim in hopes to get more answers??? You havent addressed any of the examples I gave you…
You are not taking it into consideration that Haleigh may have endured the same type of circumstances…..
Also, you say that “your witnessing different shows” is why you are of the opinion that there are inconsistencies… thats pretty weak…Are you that easily led, that you cant take into consideration that “you cant believe everything you read” You should stick with the facts and not get sideswiped by garbage and irresponsible reporting..its out there.. you ahould be aware of this..
Weak at best eh? I base my comments on the information that has been released. Ron has stated that he himself have checked to make sure that the back door was locked, he also commented that there was no laundry detergent and that the bed was still made. After all that he has said, Should I consider him as a liar now?
The news and shows I myself watched were of Misty where she was clearly speaking of her own will and volition. Same thing, should I also consider Misty as a liar now?
LE has stated that they are requesting to speak with Misty to clear up a few issues with the timeline. Are you also suggesting that I should consider LE as liars about that too?
Thanks fed-up.
Fed Up with the Misty “Fest” said,in October 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Hi Tuff, your arguements and allegations are weak at best..
Are you saying that it should be expected that a 16 yr old girl wud even volenteer to anyone that while washing the blanket..she did not use laundry detergent… I am not sure that she even knows there is such a product..How do you know and why do you assume she wud have felt the need to elaborate on that?
I don’t mean to be nitpicky or argumentative, but given the fact you have stood up so much for Misty I’m surprised you made this comment. She may have had a poor upbringing, lack a formal education and even by some reports have a learning disability….but I’m pretty sure she knows what laundry detergent is. Misty is not retarded, let’s keep it real.
I do question whether Misty washed blankets that night and feel certain she would feel the need to elaborate with LE if they questioned her about it. If she did wash and was out of LS she may have used dish soap. I don’t know how much good it would do to wash a peed blanket (along with her own blanket) without using something.
Hi Tuff.. I will quote you so to make it easier to read my response.. ( I find it a bit difficult to not be able to bold things are use italics…anyway you said…
“Weak at best eh? I base my comments on the information that has been released. Ron has stated that he himself have checked to make sure that the back door was locked, he also commented that there was no laundry detergent and that the bed was still made. After all that he has said, Should I consider him as a liar now?
The news and shows I myself watched were of Misty where she was clearly speaking of her own will and volition. Same thing, should I also consider Misty as a liar now?
LE has stated that they are requesting to speak with Misty to clear up a few issues with the timeline. Are you also suggesting that I should consider LE as liars about that too?”
You are referring the ïnformation being released” as gospel.. Are you referring to information you have seen/heard as hearsay??? Is the information you referring too 2nd and 3rd hand? Are you referring to reading stuff where TM is interviewed and shares his perception of what was said by a 2nd hand source? If so, I am merely stating that it is irresponsible to consider that fact… There arent many facts in this case.. We have had next to no documentation released. The likes of NG and anyone on HLN, are snesationalized and directed at this type of viewer.. Their ratings are huge becasue they have created so much suspicion over Misty by these types of articles and panel, that they are guaranteed to get viewers (which is money) because of the market… We are the market and if we believe NG’s 3rd hand reporters giving hearsay, what will the world come too…
If you can show any clipping of Mistys words and by her saying them, thwen show me another clipping of hers where she contridicts herself, I will be more than happy to discuss it…
You are leaving NO ROOM for the FACT that this girl is/was 16 yrs old while making the call and clearly had never been in sich an unbelievable situation of waking up to find a child gone… I have given many examples of how this as happened and how LE did go right to the parenst and it was only on account of the reamons/person being found did le stop thinking that it had something to do with the family….
You alse arent injecting any logic when assessing Mistys capacity for tricking LE and the FBI.. Do you really thonk she cud commit the perfect crime and yet cover it up for this long?????
Why does the back door have any bearing on your opinion.. agree that the bak door was prolly locked… Why do you think that a perp cud not have etered in some other way??? The bakdoor is almost irrelevant in terms of their being no forced entry.. Did you read the cases on the examples I gave you???? These perps got in without forced entry…. It doesnt have to mean the bak door… Misy has corroborated that she feels both dors were locked…. That should not be the basis of why you wud think she is lying as it has been known to happen clearly more times than you are aware of..
And the laundry detergent… come on.. do you think that because there was no laundry detergent, misty must be lying???? There are many middle class ppl who can substitue laundry detergent… I manintain that I suspect if laundry detergent was ever in the house, it prolly wasnt often… That is no where near an inconsistency… That doesnr make Ron a liar.. he has prolly bought it on a rare occaision, and jusging from his character, I suspect he doesnt know much about how, or when laundry was done in his household…
I am not suggesting that LE is lying becuase they want to clear up issues with the time line.. I agree that is there stand..No, I dont think they are lying about that..they have not minced their words.. They have said that on account that there is no indication of forced entry, that there is no evidence that someone came and took Haleigh.. I agree with that statement.. and this is the same set of circumstances that have happened in many different cases. The examples i have given you set up, that although LE doesnt have any clues to look elsewhere… they end up getting stuck wanting a better detail ofr what happened when there wasnt any more information to be given…… No one is considering that Misty may be telling the truth… The reasons ppl are saying that they dont believe she has told le everything is because of inconsistencies… If there were inconsistencies, i wud believe that she is holding ak stuff to… WHAT I am saying is that the “inconsistencies”that you are referring too are NOT CREDIBLE. You are getting these cresated inconsistencies from rags… You are not considering the source or the motives that some ppl have in making more to this stroy than there really is…..
Please suppl any links of where Misty says an inconsitency… laundry soap does not cut it!! that is unfair…. Neither does her telling ppl that she passed the poly as she was told they were satisfied with her answers This is what they do.. Her niavity led her to believe that meant passed….
We know how reliable polys are..they are not admissible and you can ask Melivin Fowler (the decade long accused person in the green river killings who failed his polys……
Give me something concrete… So far nothing to support your opinion
Fed Up with the Misty “Fest” I think you have clarified many issues. The only thing I do know is misty’s issues with the poly’s and the voice analysis were certainly big problems for her.
One thing that has been eating at the back of my head, where is the Confidentiality that I thought would be in effect with these test. The publicity and the actually posting of the test did that violate her right to privacy? I read misty’s agreement, but was there anything in that agreement that stated it was open for the public, that distributing the results was agreed upon. Is this part of the sun shine law that would allow this action could be taken. The issues between misty and her attorney which ended up with his having to walk away. Are these elements that misty does not understand due to her youth, that having an attorney to represent you is indeed protecting your rights. Did she not learn this element when Ron originally lawyered up last spring and he was certainly listening, and she was certainly present as a new wife. But, I am concerned that her lack of knowledge and newly devised friendships, which from what was described, was the concept of a motherly image to misty, which without doubt would include misty’s trust and devotion, and if this person said. Hey you need to go to NY City and go on the CBS show, even if your attorney says no.., that in my mind that would be deliberate interference between the Attorney and his client. None of us have even a clue as to what occurred that night, when Haleigh went missing, we can speculate only. And I can understand Le setting up stings to get people in a room to serve arrest warrants. I understand Narks that are used undercover, purchasing drugs.. I can understand the need for vice. But, I do know that Le would never have questioned Misty if her attorney said NO, not in your best interest.
He did fuss about the testing, he did state you guys knew she had an attorney. Well, they also knew she had an attorney when Donna entered the picture, and of course it is mistys fault for reaching out? why didn’t Tim Miller pick up the phone and call PCSO and say, hey this is whats going on, if I do this, will it be Appropriate action to take? Why didn’t he? Why didn’t he contact Le the minute he heard Ron made a remark about harming Misty? Why wait? It was LE’s business to protect Misty.. And her Attorney. For those who do not believe that Misty currently has civil rights.. you are mistaken. If the Le and DCF do deemed this last call over to Ron’s home and the weapon issue, as unfounded? Will this deem that all of the reports they received by concerned Blogger citizens as False Reports? People really need to think before they jump into a pot of boiling water.
Fed up I was fairly certain that I was basing my opinion on what was released in the media, words I heard come from Ron and Misty’s own mouths on TV as well as to what LE have officially released.
Plain and simple.
The way you come across to me it seems that you might know all the answers to the questions that none of us have so maybe you can enlighten us to what the truth really is?
It would be very interesting to see things from your own perspective.
Thank you in advance.
Yeah Fed up, I wouldn’t mind hearing your side either since you know everything!
Tuff Stuff,
She also lied before going to the airport and at the airport.
Before going to the airport she told her attorney she was not going to NY. At the airport she told a reporter she was not going to NY.
Hi Mlee…
great concerns… I believe the fact that Misty is so young and ignorant (sorry) she is consistent in showing a person who is innoncent, by being relentless in her proving that she had nothing to do with it, and has told LE everything she knows.. Even against her lawyers advice…
As far as the sunshine laws..they wudnt protect or apply to the results of the poly, as it was done privately… If Misty had any privacy concerns, they wud have to be taken up in a civil action.. She prollly wudnt have a leg to stand on as she had no one pretecting her rights.. This is the second one that i refer too which was prolly sold (Tim Miller) was the organizer and had his buddy do it… ???????
The administration of a poly, as well as reading the results are crucial, and are done incorrectly so often that you can make them work for you, or against you.. Remember, the poligrapher on both accounts were biased and believed Misty was lying before they even gave her the tests..
As far as anythong about a sting in this case.. I am sure if LE thought there was one necessary, it wud be being conducted and not by the likes of a foundation (nonprofit) who ASSISTS le and families in heir search for a missing loved one.. No where does his credentials refer to him as an investigator, or even PI… Also, it wasnt until this case became a money maker for all kinds of media outlets, and ppl wanting their 2 min of fame, that many ppl joined in…
WthACherryonTop said,in October 19th, 2009 at 3:36 pm Yeah Fed up, I wouldn’t mind hearing your side either since you know everything!
Oh wow. I didn’t mean it like that.
I sincerely would like to know what Fed Up’s thoughts are on everything.
It’s a Misty & Ron show….
The focus is on everything & Anything BUT Haleigh anymore.
They are STRIVING To keep THEIR names in the media & not Haleighs.
It’s getting LAME.
This case has gone cold….. at least I HOPE the Police Department know things WE Don’t.
A pimple is FESTering and ready to pop!
Hi Tuff,
Thanks for responding..I will quote you again below
“Tuff Stuff said,in October 19th, 2009 at 3:23 pm Fed up I was fairly certain that I was basing my opinion on what was released in the media, words I heard come from Ron and Misty’s own mouths on TV as well as to what LE have officially released.
Plain and simple.
The way you come across to me it seems that you might know all the answers to the questions that none of us have so maybe you can enlighten us to what the truth really is?
It would be very interesting to see things from your own perspective.
Thank you in advance.”
Tuff, I only wish I had the answer … We all want to know where haleigh is and we all have that in common…
I asked you to provide links of any inconsistency that Misty has said… You are saying that you heard clippings of these on shows.. I certainly hope you arent referring to NG, as I wud hardly call anything she has put together on this case as reliable, however… even those we can look at.. as long as they are mistys words, I wud like to see a link where she has been what cud be referred to as saying an inconsistency. There are millions of articles that quote her or Ron but no one seems to be able to produce anything from Mistys own mouth… Doesnt that say anything???
Please supply something to bak up your claim that you have heard Misty in her own words, state an inconsistency…
Thanks
Hi Withacherry… I will quote you
“WthACherryonTop said,in October 19th, 2009 at 3:36 pm Yeah Fed up, I wouldn’t mind hearing your side either since you know everything”
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Thanks for the compliment, however I wish I cud take credit for knowing where Haleigh is and who took her… The fact is, I dont…
Im glad you acknowledge that what I am pointing out is that we dont have many “facts” in this case, as LE has kept it so close to the vest. Good thing they are… they may have evidence of prints or touch dna on anything like the pink tshirt, to the cinderblock..we really dont know.. They wudnt want to blow the case by revealing anything that sud assist the perp, in getting farther away..
I am glad you are acknowledging that there is another side to this story ( a more accurate one) than the one with all the inaccurate reporting, along with all the money that is being made by shoddy reporters looking for rating and viewers..
Have you asked yourself, if there is anyway, that Misty has told the complete story?? I hope based on al the garbge out there, you havent been bought by all the BS crap published… Misty cud be anyone of our teenagers, who cud be caught up in such a hoorible tragic situation…
I was kidding hun….. 🙂
But speaking about “Misty could be any of our teenagers”, if I felt she was so innocent I definitely would run off and throw her to the wolves.
Families turning on eachother on a time of need.
Crystal turning on Ronald.
Misty turning on her family.
Misty’s family turning on Misty.
Again, all Drama Drama Drama, news news news. Hell the girl FLIPS someone off in traffic & It gets noted. She’s living the big life now.
Geezzzz louiseeeee!
Sorry, I WOULDN’T run off and throw her to the wolves!
Hi Withacherry.. I will quote you again..
“WthACherryonTop said,in October 19th, 2009 at 4:13 pm I was kidding hun…..
But speaking about “Misty could be any of our teenagers”, if I felt she was so innocent I definitely would run off and throw her to the wolves.
Families turning on eachother on a time of need.
Crystal turning on Ronald.
Misty turning on her family.
Misty’s family turning on Misty.
Again, all Drama Drama Drama, news news news. Hell the girl FLIPS someone off in traffic & It gets noted. She’s living the big life now.
Geezzzz louiseeeee!”
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lol Withacherry… and you are right! I am glad though that you are acknowledging what kind of dysfunction she has been surrounded with for most of her life…and clearly that doesnt make her guilty.. The good thing is that we have seen her family show us that they are willing to throw anyone under the bus…
On account of knowing this, (that they remained true to their story that Miaty was telling the truth) ..says a lot.. even with Misty having told what Tommy did to her as a child… They still spoke up for her innocence..
It wasnt until Tommy placed himself at the crime scene that her family did a 180….Coincedental???? Looks like Mother Lisa even supects Tommy was involved.. Why else wud she change her 8 month old story..Oh wait..cud it be because she knew her arrest wud be right around the corner??? She did know that she stole from the plaintiff who had Tommy charged and arrested..and placed in jail… Oh, and she also left town too??? Does this sound like an honest change of heart???
Cud she have changed her story to use as leverage for her anticapated fraud/theft charges??? Take your pick, but clearly more motives for her own selfserving needs, than Haleighs…
Withouta cherry..
I also wanted to provide this link about polys and voice analysis that are rigged tests….Remember Michael Crowe? He is the 14 yr old boy who was charged with killng his sister and even bullied into making a false confession. the interrogation abuse started with failed computer results…and then accused him of inconsistencies.. good thing Misty is a little older that this 14 yr old boy…
here is the link ..you may find dome similarities in these 2 young ppl..Misty and Michael..
http://books.google.ca/books?id=y5kd9C-VwTAC&pg=PA217&lpg=PA217&dq=polygraph+%22michael+crowe%22&source=bl&ots=yEHMZLeDKF&sig=GP-veeruCDoRyRO5lQA1a4Ywt2E&hl=en&ei=aNvcSuy_No_itgOMke2FBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=polygraph%20%22michael%20crowe%22&f=false
Wud, cud, prolly? Yikes, learn to spell people. This isn’t a chat room for gosh sakes, you have time to spell words out.
JUST HOW OLD IS MISTY?
Fed up stated she was 16 in regards to Laundry Soap Gate… by the way Fed Up you have some valid points.
I believe Misty is involved in covering up, I think that is possibly why her story HAS changed. When lying it’s very difficult to stay on a steady stream, you tend to want to embellish.
To Mylee,
You have hit on a subject that I have been talking about for 8 mos. Donald Lee Sapp. Convicted sex offender who likes little girls HaLeigh’s age and up. Recently arrested and jailed for trying to “connect” with a 13 yr. old girl he met on the internet. Not only is he related to Crystal (by marriage), he is also related to Misty (down the chain). He had the perfect opportunity (he was staying with Misty’s brother and SIL long enough to learn the habits of Misty and others around there)he knew she would be gone and maybe at her brother’s, he had time to go in and get HaLeigh unnoticed. He know’s the layout of the trailer (I think it was his father who owned and rented that trailer out before the new owner rented it to Ron, Donald had keys to it). I know Ron said he changed the locks but who knows if that is true. HaLeigh would not have been afraid of him (he was seen “playing” with her on a trampoline a day or two before she vanished). When LE pulled the Sex Offender Registry for that area he would not have come up as living in the area, he was registered at the time in Crescent City, even though he had been living with Misty’s brother and SIL in the same park as Ron and Misty for weeks (so no need for LE to look for him in the trailer park where HaLeigh vanished from). Donald was remodling the trailer he currently lives in with Billy (there is another story there, check out how her husband died who left her that trailer). When the dogs hit on the dumpster could it be because it contained remodling supplies that maybe he disposed of there from the VACANT trailer he was remodling, could he have taken HaLeigh there that night? If he carried her to the trailer he would go right by the railroad tracks where HaLeigh’s scent stopped. He had access to the van and to the keys, could have driven HaLeigh to his home in Crescent City and come back and parked the van(no DNA or evidence in HIS vehicle that way, no one would question HIS or HaLeigh’s DNA in the van, Misty said he did use the van once or twice)I corresponded with Misty and Ron shortly after this happened and when I asked Misty about him she said, “you know he was acting very strange after HaLeigh was taken” and “I am not for sure but he never was interviewed by the cops” (I still have the emails) Teresa Neves saw Donald Sapp “feeding alligators” something a few days afer HaLeigh vanished. I could go on and on and on with my theory of Donald Sapp, I have given all of it to PCSO, FDLE, FBI and put it out there on many different blogs hoping someone would jump on my bandwagon. To date I have no idea if he has been investigated or not, even after repeated emails to PCSO, FDLE and FBI. Hopefully I am wrong and she is alive and well living with someone who loves her and takes care of her until she can be found or someone decides enough is enough and brings her home…
They started changing stories after Misty put a restaining order on her own family member.
I’m also tired of hearing what “Poor Misty has been through with her horrible childhood”.
Do you know how many people have a horrible childhood? They don’t result to drugs and what not & then get away with it because they had a bad childhood.
I by far am open to what happened. I have reasons why I think Misty did it, Ron did it, Crystal did it & More!
Sam, I hate to be the witch here, but come on now! We are here to discuss a little girl not spelling & what not!
🙂
Donald Lee Sapp. hmmm…. Was he EVER looked into?
Fed up, this week end I ran out of laundry soap. I didn’t want to go to the store until Tues. I needed to wash a load of clothes. I put a squirt of Dawn dish soap and 1/4 cup of pinesol in the washer. The clothes are all clean & smell fresh. When my kids were small there were times I needed to wait until payday to buy laundry soap. I have used dish soap & shampoo on different occasions. Misty not having LS is no big deal, means nothing. Personally I am weary of the LS issue.
I am also no LDT expert but I do know that they are suppose to be calm, monotone, yes or no questions, not a discussion & not telling her the results. I think any LDT expert would tell you that talking to her and telling her a score & how much she is lying would cause anyone to fail. TM’s LDT was so wrong, creating so much stress anyone would have failed. IMO
Fed up, why not answer my question on my 1:11 comment?
Hi Cent..
cent said,in October 19th, 2009 at 4:48 pm JUST HOW OLD IS MISTY?
Fed up stated she was 16 in regards to Laundry Soap Gate… by the way Fed Up you have some valid points.
I believe Misty is involved in covering up, I think that is possibly why her story HAS changed. When lying it’s very difficult to stay on a steady stream, you tend to want to embellish.
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Hi Cent..
She was 17 and 2 months when haleigh went Missing..
What part of her story do you think has changed?
Do you know of anytime she has been heard saying something different from the original story?
I know you will find many articles of writers who have put words in her mouth, and those articles are esay to find.. I am interested to know if you can provide a link where misty has changed her story??
WithaCherry, I don’t know if he was ever questioned. I hope so but I don’t know for sure and no one I have asked will answer me. I get the same generic answer each time from PCSO, “everyone is a suspect at this point”…
IF Misty was not there, imo NO she dont know what happened to Haleigh. I feel shes the fall person.But someone knows. And about the lights being on. Only a women would turn a light on and man would not. Just a theory.
I was just listening to this radio from yesterday.I had forgotten Cobra said RC said something about shooting MIsty,so he believed Tim,since he had heard it,also.But,didn’t RC say if he found out if Misty had something to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance?I think RC was just talking out of his grief and anger at his child being abducted.
Anyway,I’m not surprised KP and Cobra are putting out a lawsuit,but I am surprised that Rev Grund is part of that.I’m Messianic also and we’re not supposed to sue people.So,I just don’t understand what Rev Grund has to do with this case,except for sending Cobra.What National Publication is Cobra talking about?I’ve not read a magazine that has mentioned them.Cobra confuses the heck out of me,he talks in riddles.
Hm,only a woman would turn a light on,not a man.I never thought about that,why do you think that?Just asking,it’s just something that sounds interesting,I’ve not heard before.
Just a theroy Winterrose. I thinkk to much sometimes.
Well,actually I think too much too,LOL.But,that is a good thought,seems like a guy would be more stealthy going in.Maybe use a flashlight or something.
Fed Up,
Are you kidding me? I’ll tell ya what. I will go ahead and spend my time hunting down videos (thanks to a poster from WS that shouldn’t be to darn difficult). I just find it extremely hard to believe that this much time has passed for you not to know exactly which video clips I am talking about but ok fine.
I’ll bbl with the links you so desire.
Hi Treece…
“treece said,in October 19th, 2009 at 1:11 pm FuwtmF, I agree that there is a huge possibility that Misty is innocent. If you look at my back post you will see that I have defended her many times and actually feel for her. So yes, I have been looking in other directions and believe it is possible that she is telling all she knows and was just mixed up sometimes. I even believe it is probable. But can you acknowledge that it is also possible that she is hiding some info to cover for someone??”
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Hi Treece.. sorry.. just getting around to your concern now..
Well yes, I have stated above that no one can be exempt..
That said, there are ppl that can be more easily ruled out than others… Unfortunatly, we have seen the type of crime where the perp took the child andleft no evidence and has left the family/guardian holding the bag.. In many cases the crime goes unsolved and the last known person to see the victim is wrongly suspected…or corrctly suspected.. Usually,evidence leads LE to that person because of huge red flags.. inconsistencies are the first thing that wud stand out.. That Ant case is a good example (aside from the 31 days) we saw how KC lied immediately and about everything. Within 72 hours we had knew that she was also a thief and had had a first hand account of the nother having called KC a sociopath… The more ppl that came forward coupled with pics of her carryings on… It starts to look plausible …
We havent see that with Misty.. and there has been money up for grabs.. If she wasnt home, where was she?? Where was Junior..Why wudnt anyone have come out with the story.. they wud get money ???
If she was home and something happened, how cud she have concealed it? Where did she take misty ??? There wud be some evidence leading them to some kind of accidnet or foul play.. She really isnt that smart..
She doesnt seem to be afraid of ppl ..maybe a bit of Ron but she still stands up for herself so i cant see her keeping a secret..Those tears werent fake the next day …
So because there hasnt been anything that has come out about her or her character hat is indicative of someone who cud hide this.. even an accident..
So it is possible that she is witholding, but i think its more possible that she isnt …
I read that lynn lookadoo is Wb Greg Page’s mom( she’s black). He says his fathere is white. Does anyone know his dads name. is Page an adopted name? anyone?
Fed up with Misty Fest:
I don’t know if you are really trying to help Misty or trying to harm her. People on this blog ARE trying to LOOK AT ALL SIDES until you attack. Then it turns to protecting our right to speak, and it all turns against Misty.
When you quote us, you don’t see the words in our quote that are saying IF, MAYBE,POSSIBLE, COULD BE, WHAT IF, AND I DON’T KNOW. You attack and provoke as if we are saying DEFINITELY, ABSOLUTELY, and CERTAINLY.
I, for one, do not think she is telling the truth, but I don’t see her as even close to my first suspect. If you would shorten your comments and soften your attitude, people would be more likely to listen to what you are saying. Long comments lose people, fast.
Until you soften your tone, I will not read your comments, and I will not acknowledge you addressing me in anyway. I hope that others will do the same.
Fed Up,
When Misty acknowledeges that her story has changed, HERSELF, is very telling !!
(Today show with Ron after marriage)
I can understand you wanting to be fair and stand up for her, but just as you believe people are not considering the possibility Misty is innocent, you are not considering the possibility she could be guilty!!!
As I stated several times, I actually believe that she DIDN’T cause harm to Haleigh.
There’s so many scenarios,what ifs and what in the heck happened.But,the one thing that bothers me is the water there,anyone could have come in and out by boat.
Karon,
We posted at the same time. I was thinking what you posted. Enough already with what is written versus videotaped regarding Misty’s story.
Fed up,
Just to get started,
The police report states that Misty told the officer that she woke up to get a drink of water.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf
Misty’s claim of washing the blanket, and getting up to go to the bathroom.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18700882/index.html
Misty claims here that she just “woke up”.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/28/ng.01.html
There is a little something for you to peruse while I go and hunt down more of the same.
One of the main things that convinces me that a man was involved in all of this was that big cinder block. A woman would not have gone out in the dark to get a big heavy rough cinder block to hold that door open. A woman would have wedged that door open with some of those dirty clothes, or something she was familiar with, out of the kitchen. This is just not a woman’s way of doing things.
The dogs tracking down to the water and the child’s footprint close to the water, also makes me wonder about a man being involved.
cent…… i agree with you. I dont think she harmed Haleigh either. Sometimes i have to step back away from here and take a deep breath, cuz we just have each other here on this case. it gets exhausting.We dont have anyone giving us any answers.Maybe Misty dont relize her storys changed due to drugs. Is this possible?
I just spent a few minutes catching up on posts and after reading everyone’s opinions I am getting the feeling that I am wasting my time with the hunting of the links and what not.
So here ya go Fed up,
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Sierra1947#p/u/117/es3oJIsUg_0
That is a link to a very nice poster named Patty’s web space. I believe this Patty person is a WS’er who has taken the time to post all the videos in one place so have at it.
You’re on your own.
cent said,in October 19th, 2009 at 4:48 pm JUST HOW OLD IS MISTY?
Fed up stated she was 16 in regards to Laundry Soap Gate
LMAO@ Laundry Soap Gate! Thank goodness I am not the only one with a sense of humor every now and again! 🙂
Hi Katfish,
Katfish said
“don’t mean to be nitpicky or argumentative, but given the fact you have stood up so much for Misty I’m surprised you made this comment. She may have had a poor upbringing, lack a formal education and even by some reports have a learning disability….but I’m pretty sure she knows what laundry detergent is. Misty is not retarded, let’s keep it real.
I do question whether Misty washed blankets that night and feel certain she would feel the need to elaborate with LE if they questioned her about it. If she did wash and was out of LS she may have used dish soap. I don’t know how much good it would do to wash a peed blanket (along with her own blanket) without using something.”
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Hi Kat..
let me address your post..I have been trying to bring the realtiy that there isnt much good evidence to support that Misty is higing anything. At the same time, it doesnt change my opinion that she isnt very bright… I dont mean it maliciously, and the point I wtrying to drive home, about the L.S, is that I wud bet that LS isnt purchased often. They prolly dont have money many time to buy it, and cud very easilt substitute thwe LS with dish soap or anykind of soap.. It is not unheard of, and many ppl, cud resort to subsitution even in normal middle class homes..
I disagree that Misty wud have gone into any long detail when telling LE that she had cleaned Halaeighs blanket…
If she had have immediatelty started telling LE..I cleaned Haleighs blanket with dishsoap..I wud have been suspicious as to why she wud have felt the need to go into that detail, when clearly none of her other statements reflect any detail…
Now if had asked her how did you wahs the blanket and with what..then of course I wud expect that she wud have told them what she used and if she used the washing machine and dryer, but I really dount that it should be considered inconsistent on account of her not explaining what kind of soap she used…
Like I sd, she prolly uses more substitutes that actual LS… They dont appear to have much money…. I also agree that even laundry soap by itself wud likey not remove urine effectivley without some good ole javex alongside!I doubt they have any type of proper laundry products including detergent at the best of times..
Cent:
There are alot of interesting things going on in this case, right, now. Chad Elliot’s arrest with 9 other people, for one. This could lead to a break in this case. We never know. I would like to know more about that if anyone knows, anything. I feel that so many people are being arrested, and little things have a way of coming out during questioning. We may see something soon, I hope.
I think Misty is highly suspect, but she is certainly not the only suspect and there is too much focus on her and her alone. It almost seems like a witchhunt listing to this news broadcast at first.
Thank God, that one lady who got her head bitten off for being brave enough to go against the “group think” to suggest that other children have been snatched without signs of forced entry..at least got some people to stop acting so “hateful” and “viscious”.
I do think people need to guard against a “lynch mob” type approach. If there is any proof that she is guilty, LE will arrest her. Otherwise, I personally am going to reserve judgement.
Its 5 oclock..im quoting you….
“Its 5 o’clock somewhere said,in October 19th, 2009 at 6:02 pm cent…… i agree with you. I dont think she harmed Haleigh either. Sometimes i have to step back away from here and take a deep breath, cuz we just have each other here on this case. it gets exhausting.We dont have anyone giving us any answers.Maybe Misty dont relize her storys changed due to drugs. Is this possible?”
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Hi 5… why is it you feel her story has changed..Is t becasue you were told that by someone else and just believe it??? You can read many articles where reporters allege this but have you, yourself hear her say any inconsistencies???
Screen doors have a round metal piece that you slide to hold the door open. Unless that part was broke, there wouldn’t be any reason to hold the screen door open with a block.
If it was broke, the block may have been on the back door ramp area to hold the screen door open when they vacuumed the car.
Misty and Ron say the block was not there before, but why would anyone carry a heavy block to hold the screen door open when it could be held open by sliding that metal part?
If the slider couldn’t be used to hold the screen door open because it was broken, then when did it break?
If it broke before they last vacuumed their car, then Misty and Ron probably used something to hold it open wide enough for the vacuum hose not to get caught in the door.
Simon and Jan if I am not supposed to post links I do appologize as I was not aware of that. My posts have disappeared so it seems indicative that such is the case?
Oops!
Fed up, thank you for acknowledging that Misty could be guilty of taking, harming or leaving Haleigh some place. I appreciate you doing that.
However, I don’t think she harmed her, but I do think she may be covering up some info for someone. But bottom line we don’t know what happened. Thanks, Treece
Fed up, IMO its the media.
Skywise..Im quoting you
“skywise said,in October 19th, 2009 at 2:00 pm Tuff VS. Fed up (Clash of the titan posts)
Misty changed her description of what had happened prior to calling 911 more than once”
To who Tuff???
Me- I myself witnessed the different stories/versions of Misty’s accounts on both their local and the nationally televised shows. One time she woke up for a drink of water the next it was that she had to go to the bathroom and then another time she stated that she had no idea why she woke up.
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Skywise wrote,
Oooo! Oooo! Ooo! yes yes yes…it’s true, it’s true.
Plus, there’s the fact that she was in the master bedroom (where there was a bathroom) – why leave the room to use the other one?
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Hi Skywise…
She sd she woke up cuz she needed to go to the bathroom, and saw the kitchen light on…. that is what sent her to investigate and then see that Haleigh was gone…. It was never said that she was going to use the bathroom outside of the bedroom… She specifically said that the light was in the bedroom and she knew it had been off when she went to bed…
What the heck? Now the posts are back. OK well please disregard my last comment.
To vacuum the porch near my kitchen I plug the wet vac into an outlet in the kitchen and move the metal slider to a postion that makes the screen door stay open.
So, the only logical reason I can see for a person holding a screen door open with a block is if the slider that holds the screen door open is broken.
Thanks Tuff…
I mean come on…. 😀 Laundry Soap… it’s just a plain ole conspiracy right up there with Richard Nixon’s Watergate.
Let’s face it, they had none and she used whatever she found. For all WE know, she could’ve SWIPED THE BLANKET WITH A BAR OF SOAP a couple of times before throwing it in the washer.
Kat, I’m with you on the elaboration to LE. Why not elaborate, was it out of embarrassment for not having Laundry Soap?
They don’t strike me at being easily embarrassed.
ALL I’M GONNA SAY ON LAUNDRY SOAP GATE !!!
Hi Treece, I will quote you..
“treece said,in October 19th, 2009 at 6:28 pm Fed up, thank you for acknowledging that Misty could be guilty of taking, harming or leaving Haleigh some place. I appreciate you doing that.
However, I don’t think she harmed her, but I do think she may be covering up some info for someone. But bottom line we don’t know what happened. Thanks, Treece”
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Like I said, there is more reason to believe that she is telluing the complete truth, as it wud be ilogical to think that she cud have outsmarted LE and the FBI for 8 months.. She isnt very bright, and it wud be nxt to impoosible for her to conceal evidence of her being out, or harming Haleigh, and hiding Haleigh and also to have not been seen by anyone..
I do believe there is logic in how a crime is committed and there is nothing suggesting tat Misty has done anything but tell the truth..
so again it wud be very surprising for me to learn that Misty was involved in any way. I wud be less suprised to hear that Haleighs remains were found, and that a RSO or her brothers DNA is at the scene…
For those who have not seen a copy of the divorce papers of Ron and Misty, here is a Link and you do not need a magnifying glass to read it:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/16/marital.settlement.agreement.pdf
Turner.com 10-16-09
I find it hard to believe Ronald didn’t know about the block pile near the trailer. He’s into fishing and hunting, but didn’t explore the wooded area that surrounds that trailer?
ANON, knowing the lifestyle that Misty was raised in, her introduction to sex and drugs was long before she met ron. Out of school by the age of 12.. Both of her parents were on drugs, apparently her brother Tommy for sure. The girl apparently was never settled in a structured enviroment since she lived with her Grandmother. This girl was known to be having a sexual relationship with ron by her parents and they held no objections. When Le arrived that night and found a 16 year old girl living with Ron in that house and they did not find this a problem. One must ask, where does this problem lie. But, one must also realize Ron did not take this child as an innocent girl and drag her down a path to sex and drugs. She was already well educated into both worlds. If we need to be in a position of pointing fingers, I would suggest in the direction of the parents of this 16 year old at the time, and those who signed the papers allowing them to be married. It’s Momma and Daddy that needs to be addressed on this..
Blues, I will quote you..
“Blues said,in October 19th, 2009 at 6:25 pm Screen doors have a round metal piece that you slide to hold the door open. Unless that part was broke, there wouldn’t be any reason to hold the screen door open with a block.
If it was broke, the block may have been on the back door ramp area to hold the screen door open when they vacuumed the car.
Misty and Ron say the block was not there before, but why would anyone carry a heavy block to hold the screen door open when it could be held open by sliding that metal part?
If the slider couldn’t be used to hold the screen door open because it was broken, then when did it break?
If it broke before they last vacuumed their car, then Misty and Ron probably used something to hold it open wide enough for the vacuum hose not to get caught in the door.”
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Im not sure that they have a vacuum???? Also, have you considered Rons reaction? Do you think he cud have been acting???? Do you think his work was wrong about what time he left… ALso his phone records wud have been corroborated by LE..the tower he wud have been at for the night wud have been a different one that the tower close to his residence….
Also, it is reported that the bak door closes automatically unless propped by something…
Blues…. Good one!!!
With small children you would inspect the place where your children are gonna play at.
Secure your surroundings, surely he knew the dangers of having a wooded area in his backyard. Perfect place to hide… anything!!
Too scary and way too creepy!!
Blues:
I agree, it would be highly unlikely for a man not to notice a pile of cinder blocks.
Blues, ya know blocks are used for underpinning of a mobilehome Could of been extra blocks laying around or to block up the crawl space maybe idk .IMO I feel this case is going cold.
If the screen door slider wasn’t broke, there was no need for a block to prop it open to vacuum the car or carry anything in or out.
A block would be needed to prop the screen door open only if the slider was broke.
If the slider on the screen door was broke when Misty and Ron vacuumed the car, they may used something to prop the door open so the vacuum cord wouldn’t get caught in the screen door.
If the slider on the screen door was broke when Misty called 911, the block was needed to hold the door open, but if it wasn’t broke, there was no need for a block.
5 o’clock
That’s what everyone is afraid of,I pray it’s not.
Fed,
First they said they never used the backdoor, then re-considered and said one of the reasons they used the backdoor was to vacuum the car.
Do I think Ron could have been acting? Yes, abd yes, it has been shown that the interior back door closes automatically.
Blues
That was on Greta,I believe.RC said the backdoor wasn’t used and Misty said it was used just when vaccuuming the car or to take the garbage out.I think what RC might have meant is it wasn’t a door used normally to go in and out.JMO Maybe he didn’t use it to take out garbage,but Misty did.She said she had been cleaning and there was garbage bags next to ramp.
Blues:
I heard Ronald saying he had never noticed that pile of cinder blocks, so that makes me think it wasn’t there on the porch before that night.
I was told by a person that TN talks to that they ever used the back door, always the front door. OR this this just a excuse? And i am abck to the light being on the kitchen,only a women would turn that light no imo, not a man.
cent,
One appealing aspect of that trailer is its location. I think Ronald would have explored the area around it, so I find it hard to believe he did not know about the block pile.
I am really curious now aa to whether that screen door slider was broken the morning they called 911 because if it wasn’t there was no reason for a person to prop it open with a block.
If I knew the people who live there now, I’d call and ask them if the slider can be used to hold the screen door open.
Anyone on drugs wouldnt notice anything imo
Winterrose,
It would be easier to take large garbage bags out that back door with the screen door propped open.
I wonder if she propped the screen door open by its metal slider, or propped it open with a block or other object, or didn’t prop it open at all.
Does anyone know what WB gregs fathers name is?
Blues, your idea about the screen door slider is a very good one. I never thought of it. So I am not putting you down but wanted to mention that not every screen door has a slider kind of mechanism to keep it open. I have a screen door that does not. And another thought is that it might be quieter to open the door and place the block there than to use the slider – metal on metal could be loud. I don’t know. Just thoughts.
About the kitchen light. If someone “sneaked in” to snatch the child, trying not to waken Misty, I don’t think they’d turn a light on would they?
Wouldn’t they use a flashlight?
Unless it was someone who came in honestly enough (like a brother perhaps?) but saw an opportunity and took it.
Yes Blues..
If you need to be undercover for whatever reason, it’s a great spot. Did LE return the door back to the trailer??
Blues:
If someone is in a hurry or on drugs, they might not be thinking, clearly. The light on in the kitchen makes me wonder, if it was someone that belonged there, and wasn’t afraid of being seen in the house.
Blues..they were talking about the back door..not the screen door.. They sd that back doo automatically shuts and thats why there was a cinderblock in it…That was the door Misty referred to that was propped open… Also the cinderblock were found to be a 50 feet away in a pile that was amongst vegetation… I doubt Misty or Ron did a double take around the house or neighborhood for “safety reasons” Also..the back door was not taken by LE until Mar 12 09…at which time it was sent to FBI..
I agree that Ron said it was very seldom used.. He sd it was stiff and they didnt use it often.. He did say he used it when he washed ihis car, however I dont see that being any kind of correlation in the crime.. If he was washing a car that evening, there wud have been some evidence of that..
I also agree that whoever took Haleigh was familiar with the house, the back door, the outside immediate area… and prolly knew the family..as well as knowing how deep Misty sleeps..and clearly a pedophile. The back door wud have been opened so to make a quik get away… the perp had to know that they were going to exit the bak door into the woods, and that the door needed to be held with something..
Karon, that what I was thinking at the end of my last post! 🙂
Screen doors can be noisy. So if you intend to go in and come out, propping it open takes away three chances for it to make noise (closing, opening and closing again).
But what if Misty was not at home is my point??I am searching WBG daddy.
Fed Up – I agree with your last paragraph for sure. That’s why I’m so concerned about LE announcing so soon after her disappearance that all the SO’s had been checked out. Even if the ones LE knew about were checked out, it doesn’t mean they don’t have “friends.” So that’s one of the reasons I’m still open to that possibility.
5 o’clock – If the perp knew Misty was not home – watched her leave, he might turn the light on. Who in the neighborhood would notice? Or know the significance? No one. Once he found Haleigh it would be a matter of seconds to take her and get away. So I guess I don’t think the kitchen light is indicative of a male or female perp.
Just circumstance and opportunity.
m2c,
I thought all of the metal screen doors had a metal slider, so I wonder if the part on yours is broken, or was manufactured without a slider.
If they did prop the door open when vacuuming or taking out garbage, I wonder whether they used a block or another object, or did they hold it open by moving the slider into position.
Seems like the points you make about the kitchen light would be at least part of the reasons LE say she was not abducted by a stranger.
M2C:
The light on could be indicative of Misty not being home, I agree.
Justice:
Thanks for the links. They are so helpful.
5 o’clock somewhere:
I am also wanting to lool at WBG and Daddy.
Fed,
My understanding is the screen door was propped open with a block, and the interior door which automaticaly shuts was held open with laundry.
cent,
I don’t know if they returned the door. If not, asking the current residents to check it won’t get us anywhere! 🙂
Fed Up with the Misty “Fest”, you know I have fought this same thing over and over and over again. The So thingy is back up to play. people don’t apprarently read the information from all the months prior. So, I know your frustration, I’ll try to help out here and clear some hearts and minds. I have had to repeat this so many times in the last 7 months, Hey I don’t have to look any thing up any more. Its is burned into the back of my brain..
1. There was no sign of forced entry, the back door was closed and locked..
2. On the orignal police report it states. “Domestic Occurance”
3. PCSO Official have stated 20 times: This was a Family or close to Family Abduction.
4. SO Sapp did not live anywhere close to the Family, he was not related to the Family. He moved in with the Widow Graffis on 2nd Street. After he husband was run over by an older man.
Her husband was a brother to Bruce Graffis.
SO Sapp is currently in Jail.
5. The Le has stipulated the Evidence from the Residence Deems it was NOT a Stranger Abduction.
6. the back screen door was propped open by a cinder Block, one matching the cinder blocks the house is setting on.
7. the solid back door with brand new deadbolt lock, was open. If you watched the tour of the home you will find the door swings closed if not caught on clothing or towel lying in its path.
8. There were a total of 5 sets of keys for the house. Misty had her set of keys.
9. the dog tracking on the morning after, tracked around the neighborhood up tyler to Buffalo Bluff Rd. turned right to the railroad tracks.
So, there we have it.. details… And trust Le if they thought so sapp had anything to do with Haleigh, they have him setting there, he isn’t going anywhere. He is right in front of them. But, you also need to remember, So’s have patterns on who they chose and how they proceed.
Fed Up with the Misty “Fest”, I hope this has helped..
Fed,
You’re right that a pile of blocks in heavy vegetation probably would not be seen.
But, it was February, and the block pile was not in heavy vegetation.
I am so sorry, i cant find at this time who WBG daddy is. I will keep searching.
Jan please dont delete this link. Its about WBG life growing up.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2GCFL2FW5ZN42
Ronald told the 911 operator Haleigh was stolen, and he told Misty that she had “let them steal” his daughter.
I wonder if items were stolen from the trailer that night.
The furnishings looked sparse, but were any guns stolen, televisions, stereo equipment?
I’ve wondered for sometime now, if computers were taken in to be checked by LE. I’ve posted the question before and can get no answer.
I realize you can access the internet by cellphones, but when their myspace pages were made, how did they do it?
I want to say that I saw a computer in the trailer either in video / photo but am NOT quite sure. Anyone know???
ONCE ON NG I HEARD RON SAY HE ALWAYS KEEP THE BACK DOOR LOCKED, BECAUSE HE FEARED SOMETHING LIKE THIS MAY HAPPEND! Anyone remember this, must have knew that he had moved into a bad place, when i moved into the house i live in now it took me a while to feel safe about letting my daughter sleep up stairs alone! Sometimes i think we need to listen to our feelings!!!Stay in tune with our minds!!!!!
7 year old never made it home from school.
Deputies said the girl was last seen at 2:45 p.m. walking home from Grove Park Elementary School near West Gano Avenue and Debarry Avenue with her sister and friends but separated from them after an argument and ran toward her home.
What is wrong with these parents that let kids walk home without adult supervision?
http://www.news4jax.com/news/21342995/detail.html
Beseler said deputies are contacting the 53 sexual offenders who live in the area as part of their investigation.
Anyone with information is asked to call 911 or the CCSO non-emergency line at 904-264-6512.
Good God!Why aren’t these animals put in cages somewhere?
Some questions I still haven’t seen answers to:
1.I understand Ron’s time card corroborates his account of when he punched in and out BUT, have any of his co-workers/supervisors confirmed w/LE that he was actually SEEN there between those times?
2. I read somewhere that there is a hand-scan at his previous workplace but that it did not go into affect until AFTER Feb. (true or not?)If so, how would they know if he didn’t have someone punch in or out for him?
3. Also read that there is an unwritten policy at his previous workplace of don’t-talk-about-Ron-or-you-will-be-fired. (true or not?) And if it is true, why? Is business owner being threatened?
4. In one of Misty’s initial statements she claimed ‘my blanket was in the van that they took’. Has it ever been determined who “they” were that allegedly took the van? And how does that coincide with her story of washing hers and Haliegh’s blankets?
5. Why does she go on and on about washing Haleigh’s blanket? Was Haleigh’s blanket taken into evidence?
6. What’s the story with her bed being made?? Remember seeing a video of her being questioned in a room with LE about it and she went on and on about how she had been sleeping in the bed so how could it be made (or something to that effect)?
7. In Ron’s initial statements to police, he said Misty did not seem upset (not exact words) when he arrived home from work that morning, which contradicts Misty’s story that she was frantic…looking under beds (that were really mattresses on the floor???), etc.
Have more questions….will think of them later. Can anyone provide answers to these?
Kids are NOT safe in numbers.
Kids should NEVER be left alone.
Not outside,not in the home,not in a car or store.Never,ever and I’m so sick of saying this.
How many kids are going to be taken,because the parents are stupid?
WinterRose…DITTO
What’s up with Misty not being able to speak with Ron unless atty is present??
5 o’clock somewhere:
I was thinking about White Boy Greg and another person that Cobra said some of Crystal’s family said might be Haleigh’s Daddy.
Mlee:
What is the local’s opinion about the way the dogs tracked?
Blues:
The vegetation might not be as lush in Feb., but in Fl., there is vegetation all year round.
Ditto, WinterRose!!
Ann:
The blanket that was in the van that they took, could mean it was in the van that LE took. Now, what the blanket was doing in the van, I don’t know.
Nancy Grace asked Ron’s lawyer, when the lawyer was on the show without Ron, if Ron was accounted for the whole shift on the night Haleigh went missing. Ron’s lawyer said something like, “Well, pretty much.” Having said that, there is one person on this blog saying that they have a camera on them the whole time at work. I would like to ask this person if that includes their lunch break?
Ok, let me think of a few reason her blanket was in the fan (not saying it really was in the van):
1. She took it with her for a ride in the vsn because the heater on the van was not working properly, or other occupants of the van did not want the heat on.
2. She covered up with it when she slept in the van.
3. She covered up van window(s) with it.
4. She lent it to someone who was sleeping in the van.
I have waited all day for Cobra or TJ to post here. I know they are reading. IMO what would they do if they didnt have all of us here for searching info and senting tips to them. What about it guys?
5. She was headed to an outdoor party in the van on a cool night and planned on using the blanket to cover up while she roast marshmallows by a campfire.
6. She was headed to a party on a cool night and planned on using the blanket to cover up others, to keep them warm.
Blues:
She may have had the children in the van, sleeping. That is just speculation. I am not saying that for a fact.
My sons are grown now but I can’t tell you the times I would have had a blanket in the car when they were young. Taking them to park to play, younger one might want nap, one was colder natured than the other one, going to lake to swim or play, picnic, going to ballgame, going to watch kids play & I want to set on it. I had blankets specifically for that purpose but she might not have and used her blanket. It is not a strange thing that care giver of 4 & 6 year old would have a blanket in the car.
Blanket question was not answered. Misty stated “my blanket was in the van that they took”. How does that coincide with her statements that she washed hers and Haleigh’s blankets AFTER she put Haleigh to bed at 8:00 and then went to bed at 10:00 herself…never having left the home that night
Blues….you are an idiot.
I have 3 grown kids, 1 rodeos and when the family goes to watch I have 5 blankets in my jeep. One for my uncle, one for me, 1 for my daughter, 1 for my grandson to play on and 1 to cover my grandson when he goes to sleep.
Is that town soooo small that the women have been sharing men???
Ann, if that has been answered as a fact I haven’t heard it. My guess would have been that the blanket in the van was more like a throw, or an afghan and the blanket she said she washed was more like a bedspread or comforter. But this is strictly speculation. I would assume the LE would have verified that she had a blanket in the house that she said she washed & that there was one in the van. I would hope they checked both of them out.
Cent, women share men in towns of all sizes.
Hi, Karon Cox!
Re your 8:07 p.m. comment….you welcome!
The links from the TV stations have been helpful to me in researching various incidents in Haleigh’s Case.
Treece,
She called it ‘my’ blanket. I have ‘a’ blanket in the car right now, and years ago we always had one or more little blankets in the car for the kids.
At another time, Misty said that a blanket was on the window.
treece:
You have a point but, in this case, she claimed that was her blanket, off of her bed. She said she didn’t go anywhere that night. She had to wash Haleigh’s soiled blanket and a blanket that was covering the window, for them to cover with. The van was supposed to be parked at her sister-in-law’s and brother’s house that night and had been moved and had a scratch down the side of it. It also had branches sticking out of it the headlights, according to Misty.
Karon, thanks for the info. I certainly don’t know but whatever she said they were sleeping with and whatever she said was in the van, don’t you think LE verified that to be true?
How far from Ron’s house was the van? Thanks
Ann, it doesn’t coincide with her other statement but that’s nothing new. If you paid attention to what LE has been saying for months, you would already know that her statements are inconsistent.
BTW, Ann, you have to live with yourself at the end of the day. I feel sorry for you.
Are you all part of Palatka LE?? Dense….
Karon, Maybe Misty had to wash the blanket covering the window because she had left her blanket in the van earlier, she had said her brother had been over earlier that day when the a/c guy was there and maybe (just a theory) one of the kids got chilled or tired and went to the van and she grabbed her blanket for them…this would explain why “her blanket was in the van and her having to wash the blanket covering the window….might even possibly explain why (if Tommy was telling the truth) Tommy couldn’t see the tv on….maybe it’s just a matter of Misty’s timeline being slightly off about what time she actually finished laundry and went to bed.
Blues & Ann, I don’t want to make either one of you upset but Jan hates it when we verbally knife fight on here. You both have different ideas that could be valid points so I would really like you guys to agree to disagree and let’s just discuss this without calling each other names. That is what makes Jan have to shut down these posts. Thank you both, Treece
Misty stated that she washed her blanket and Haleigh’s blanket and then she stated that her blanket ‘was in the van that they took’. If she didn’t go anywhere that night, WHY WAS HER BLANKET IN “the van that they took”?????? Did she wash her blanket and then take it out to the van??? WTF????
Treece, ty
Treece,
I already emailed Jan about her but I doubt she’ll be able to take care of her until morning.
The best I understand Tommy just lived a very short distance from M & R.
Blues…I feel sorry for you. Get a brain so you can comprehend the questions being asked.
Does anyone know how long Ron and Misty had been living in the trailer before Haleigh went missing? Also did they live together somewhere else before moving into the trailer?
Toughenough, thanks. I didn’t realize they lived that close together.
My thinking would be Misty left her normal bed cover in the van. So she had to wash another one for her, with Haleigh’s, so that she had something to cover with that night.
“Ann said,in October 19th, 2009 at 10:58 pm WHY WAS HER BLANKET IN “the van that they took”?????? Did she wash her blanket and then take it out to the van??? WTF????
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Im not sure that her blanket was in the van? Do you think she wud have been acting???? Do you think she wud have said she washed it?????
katfish,
They had only been living in the trailer for about a month. I don’t know where they lived before then but it sholdn’t be hard to find out.
Blues, I wonder if possibly Misty said “my” if she was the one using it? Like she could have said “my” blanket is in the van because that is the one normally on her bed and said I washed “my” blanket meaning the one she slept with that night but they were 2 different ones. We may never know the truth. Treece
Fed up…First she stated that she washed hers and Haleigh’s blankets, the she stated that ‘my blanket was in the van that they took’. Does no one see the contradiction here?
Treece:
I am sure LE knows and has verified the blanket story, but they don’t let anything out to us. I asked these questions over and over until I finally got an answer that made sense. I was especially interested in the blanket part of the story, so I kept asking. If I am wrong, let me know.
The van was a number of miles away from Ron’s and Misty’s from what I understand.
Toughenough:
It was 57 degrees and sunny that day. The temps that night dipped down in the 40’s I have been told.
Please, who is Sapp?
Fed up, I think part of the questioning here about the blanket is Misty washed the blankets around 8PM. If it was her blanket in the van how did it get there at that time. She said she hadn’t had any company at that time so how would it get in the van. That’s why I think she is talking about 2 different blankets. Does this make sense, I am getting tired?
Treece,
Good point, ‘my’ blanket ‘singular’ is what I would say for both a blanket on my bed that I washed and a blanket in my car.
Treece:
From the way I understand it, the van was at Timmy’s and that was some miles away.
Karon, I am sorry I can’t find what you said about the blanket story please tell us again, thank you.
Tough,
Yeah true.. but I was talking about the friendships/relations/enemies thing they got going on… and fully knowing it!!!
Just a sad ass case, all around. Not knowing your self worth is a mutha f ing shame.
Besides it’s gross
Karon, I thought the van was at Tommys and that would be .2 miles
Who is Sapp?
Tough,
All I know about Donald L Sapp is that he is a child predator, now in a Florida jail. Someone posted rearlier that he was on a trampoline with Haleigh a few days before she went missing, and that he is connected to both Crystal and Haleigh, but I can not say for sure.
Toughenough, I am not exactly sure how he connects to the family but he does somehow and he is a SO.
Tough,
Long day, my last sentence should read “both Crystal and Misty”.
I will say a red flag jumps out on this page in the post of someone who angrily responds to the original post about Sapp.
Blues, thanks for posting your correction, no big deal, we have all misposted and had to put in corrections. Have a good night. treece
This is my understanding and, it is the only thing that makes sense if Misty is to be believed. There were 3 blankets. Misty and Jr. needed one. Haleigh needed one. One was covering the window. Somehow Misty’s was left in the van, and that left them 2 blankets. Haleigh’s was peed on. So that left them with the blanket over the window and the peed on blanket. Misty says she washed those blankets thay night. I have dug alot on this subject and, if I am wrong, I would like to know.
This is the way I understand it, but I am open for correction.
Thanks, Treece,
Time to call it a day, good nite all.
Hi Emlee..
Im unclear of your point… i thnak you for your work (always like links though from docs or LE interviews) so I will go over some points and see if we are in agreement..
You said…
1. There was no sign of forced entry, the back door was closed and locked.
Feds reply
I agree that LE believe there was no forced entry.. We know that it has happened in many child abductions where there is no forced entry and it is unclear where the perp came in from…I have provided many examples of this very scenario.. Ron and Misty assume that the back door is locked.. It is assumed that this isnt a “stranger” abduction. I wud agree that who ever did this..likely knew the house and the habits and the area as well as the “banging bak screen door and the back strom door that closes by itself…
The term stranger abduction is not a very good description.. Eg. The ped who abducted Danielle Vandam, was a neighbor who had never been in the house, but was at the door earlier that week, and was recognizable by the family… they did not know him … They believe he came in thru a window and they know for sure he exited thru the garae door as the mom actually closed it at 2am… whether he had alsready left with her or was inside waiting for the mom and dad to go to sleep is unclear… they dont know as they didnt check on danille till the morning…So is this a stranger or known??????
I wud say the chances of the perp who took haleigh, prolly knew the house and the surroundings..it is hard to say, if he had already somehow entered while they were outside playing after supper… or was it someone Haleigh and the family knew well.. I think the term stranger abduction is pretty generic… The perp that got into Poly Klaas’s home, had never been seen before….He did not know their habits as far as anyone has ever determined… that is definitle a stranger abduction..although because there was no forced entry..stranger abduction was not evident until they actually had a lead on Davis and found him when it was already too late..
Should we consider a possible prev tenant, a RSO who may have been watching the home, a neighbor that knew the surroundings but not really the family?? Where do we draw the line of what a stranger abduction really is..ya know?? Im not sure why it is a fair assessment by LE that this is a family abduction, or someone known to the family.. That is too vague and we it should not be ruled out that there may be a sick neighbor that we dont even know about yet..
Also you state ” LE refers to the call as a Domestic Occurance…Im not surprised by that ..the 911 call received was clearly hostile ..although they got the gist, Rons state of mind was definitely worrisome.. that may have been the quikent way to get LE to the house.. ?? Either way though.. that isnt significant in my eyes..
I have no opinion on Sapp.. he should be a suspect like everyone else… I do wonder if Chad reynolds has her with him and if they are both deceased somewhere in the woods… that is just a thought though..not the top of my list though.. Tommy or Joe is..
I agree with you on your assessment of the backdoors.. (none of us know if a perp somehow got in the house and unlocked it where Misty may not have noticed.. the perp cud have been inside at the time, or waited for the lights to go off and for the house to look sleeping.. He may have carried that cindeblock in the house earlier and cud have been in some confined space..Closet??) and have used it as a stool for sitting..until it was time to put his plan in motion and set the door up.. He may have had to turn on the light in the kitchen, after he propped the door and was headed quikly to the room to take Haleigh, and may have needed the light so not to have tripped on the clothes all over the floor by the bakdoor.. he cud have been masked and gloved…I agree with you on the keys.. Ron got a new lock at walmart so that no one wud have keys…
I am also of the opnion that the dogs found her scent shortly after they arrived.. and it took them out their bak door down a wooded path towards the river..where they had also found a foot print but that it was disregarded.. also the dogs went around the block to her familys house where they frequented.. Cud tommy have brought her bak there?? Just a thought..
Whatever the point was, i do appreciate your work, and it should ot be sirprising if we find out that Misty is totally innocent..
Hi Blues..
Blues said,in October 19th, 2009 at 8:13 pm Fed,
My understanding is the screen door was propped open with a block, and the interior door which automaticaly shuts was held open with laundry.
I agree…
If all these SO’s are some how related…. (even thru marriage) to these children and are around them, who is at fault here?
I am not an naive woman/mother… I know children will not always be in your presence at all times, and these terrible things do occurr. But who in the hell, is sitting around having a BBQ, fishing, swigging beer, or feeding gators with these SOB’S.
Let alone allowing their children to be around them.
Fed up…It’s not what ‘I thought she said’…it’s WHAT SHE SAID…so if she was ‘acting’ please let us know. You seem to be Misty’s no. 1 advocate…
Karon, that makes perfect sense about the blankets. I think it has thrown so many off because she said “my” referring to both of them. Some thought by her saying “my blanket” was in van & I washed “my blanket”, that it had to be the same blanket. I agree with you. Her normal blanket was in van, so she washed the one from the window and called it “my blanket” because it was the one she used that night. Thanks for clarifying this.
The reason I was asking about Sapp, I did a white page search for Tommy and This is what I got (I didn’t know what the SO Sapps first name was)
Hank J Croslin Jr Is this you? Edit
116 Tyler St
Satsuma, FL 32189-2836
View phone
Household: Guy W Sapp, Sonya T Sapp, Lindsy K Croslin
AND for Flagler Co.
Hank T Croslin Jr Is this you? Edit
1425 County Road 302
Bunnell, FL 32110-7924
Job: T&T Drywall , President
This Flagler Co. address is just about 2 miles from the area in Flagler Co. called Mondex that I had mentioned before.
Thank you Blues. 🙂 I’m pretty sure Ron and the kids lived with his mother before that but I’m not positive.
IIRC Ron had been working the late shift for just a few weeks too including overtime which in my mind would also account for him not investigating the woods behind much yet….if working 12 hour days and wasn’t used to the night shift he ptobably didn’t have much time to check it out, ie…see the bricks in the brush.
On the blanket subject, I never heard why the blanket was in the van, just that Misty took one off the window to use because her’s was in the van and “they’ took the van. She also said she washed the blanket off the window with Haleigh’s blanket so they would have clean blankets.
There were some reports from parents at the bus stop that Misty had picked Haleigh up from the bus on Monday in the blue van that belonged to her bro and SIL (Tommy and Lindsey?). I always assumed “they” took the van back to their house. (I know…I know, Ron said he picked up Haleigh from the bus that day and Teresa N. said she did too so who knows the truth about that.)The police did impound that van for a few days.
Ann said,in October 19th, 2009 at 9:29 pm Some questions I still haven’t seen answers to:
1.I understand Ron’s time card corroborates his account of when he punched in and out BUT, have any of his co-workers/supervisors confirmed w/LE that he was actually SEEN there between those times?
2. I read somewhere that there is a hand-scan at his previous workplace but that it did not go into affect until AFTER Feb. (true or not?)If so, how would they know if he didn’t have someone punch in or out for him?
3. Also read that there is an unwritten policy at his previous workplace of don’t-talk-about-Ron-or-you-will-be-fired. (true or not?) And if it is true, why? Is business owner being threatened?
4. In one of Misty’s initial statements she claimed ‘my blanket was in the van that they took’. Has it ever been determined who “they” were that allegedly took the van? And how does that coincide with her story of washing hers and Haliegh’s blankets?
5. Why does she go on and on about washing Haleigh’s blanket? Was Haleigh’s blanket taken into evidence?
6. What’s the story with her bed being made?? Remember seeing a video of her being questioned in a room with LE about it and she went on and on about how she had been sleeping in the bed so how could it be made (or something to that effect)?
7. In Ron’s initial statements to police, he said Misty did not seem upset (not exact words) when he arrived home from work that morning, which contradicts Misty’s story that she was frantic…looking under beds (that were really mattresses on the floor???), etc.
Have more questions….will think of them later. Can anyone provide answers to these?
If you don’t know the answer, it’s OK to NOt answer rather than give a dumbass response like ‘they needed the blanket to keep them warm during marshmallow roasting’ or something stupid like that….
Hi Cent
cent said,in October 19th, 2009 at 5:47 pm Fed Up,
When Misty acknowledeges that her story has changed, HERSELF, is very telling !!
(Today show with Ron after marriage)
I can understand you wanting to be fair and stand up for her, but just as you believe people are not considering the possibility Misty is innocent, you are not considering the possibility she could be guilty!!!
As I stated several times, I actually believe that she DIDN’T cause harm to Haleigh.
Hi Cent… I just watched that vidoe again foer the 100th time.. In watching that video you can see where Mistyu explains what happened that night and where she now tells Meredith seperate mattresses both on the floor…. After she saud the ssame story (now better articulation of the mattresses on the floor 24 or so apart..) Meredith askes her about this is inconsistent, and askes her if she knows she was inconsistent and the young deer in headlighs says ya and you can see that she just doesnt know what to say and she also looked behind meredith almost as though someone told her something like maybe not to answer it… who knows.. but how no one can give her any leeway and recognize that was not a true inconsistency is beyond me.. What did you expect her to tell Meredith.. did you think she was going to say..” are you not convinced that she is nopt assertive..she has no social skills… her lack of maturity, and experience in the world is consistent with her anssers..dont you see that.. I dont know how more obvious it cud be..
Ann, I think ? #4 has been answered, I don’t know about the others. LE is the “they” that took the van with her blanket in it and kept it a few days. If you will read Karon’s post above at 11:35 it explains the blanket situation. Hope that helps. Good night all, Treece
Ann,
1.yes
2.Security tight, must go through a guarded gate
copy previous post:
Someoneelse said,in September 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm I have lived in Putnam County for most of my life and my husband worked at PDM for a while right after Ron lost his position there, same shift, same job, actually. The premises are gated and there is a guard at the only entrance. They are supposed to note who leaves the grounds for lunch and who doesn’t. You don’t have to clock out for breaks or for lunch if you stay on the grounds, all that time is automatically deducted. As to if he was yelling at her while he was around his coworkers…yea, that’s not uncommon around here either. With all the noise in that place you have to yell to have a normal conversation anyway. It’s also worth mentioning that PDM has unofficially implemented a you-will-get-fired-if-you-talk-about-Ron-Cummings policy. But if they say he was there then he was there, the time clock is a hand scan, no one could have clocked in or out for him.
3.IDK
4.Check the above posts/all theories
5.IDK
6.IDK
7.IDK
Ann:
I always answer to the best of my ability.
We are all limited on information , because LE isn’t letting out anything. I think it was LE that took the van.
I know that Ron’s phone pings showed him at work 2 different times during the night. He was seen by fellow worker, and they say he didn’t leave.
It is getting late, so I am off to bed, also.
Ann, to answer #5 the entire trailer was a crime scene for several weeks so no doubt that blanket was checked out….especially as Misty said she covered Haleigh with it after she washed it.
I think “they” in #4 was Misty’s brother and SIL who own the van….LE wouldn’t have taken the van until after Haleigh was missing.
Fed Up,
What I would expect for her to say, even if she had to scream it is…. I have NOT been inconsistant at all!!!! It’s just that plain and simple, she admitted it on camera, and that’s still not enough for you. I have given her a considerable amount of leeway, which by the way is NOT JUST based on her lack of education/age.
At some point Fed Up, you MAY NEED to stop relying on her LACKS to further YOUR cause.
I have never been out to get Misty or anyone in their family. It’s about HaLeigh and HaLeigh only!!
And…
I don’t want to take potshots at you at all, but, you seem to be a bit obsessed with Misty’s possible innocence.
Just my thoughts… not looking for a further response.
Goodnight
Thanks, but not sure why any of you feel the need to answer, when you don’t have the answer.
And another one bites the dust….LOL…that would be me….off to bed. Night All!
It’s not a ‘trailer’, it’s a mobile home. It’s not fair to label all people who live in Mobile Homes as ‘trailer trash’. Although, certain people involved in this case could definately be labeled as ‘white trash’…ie Misty, Ron, Theresa, Lisa, etc.
Justice;
I wanted to say thank you so much for the links! It will help a lot! I also hope others here will contribute as well. Some of the “debates” here tonight could easily be “cleared up” with these links I am proposing. We need clear cut, honest-to-goodness information. I will be starting from scratch and listing EVERY link I can find that is : LE statements, Misty speaking in her own words videos, Ron speaking in his own words videos, trailer info & video, Van images & info, maps of POIs/players/family, arrest reports/links, and more. I invite you all to join the forum here, at the top of the page. We will be having “stickies” that stay at the top of the page, no matter what page you are viewing for quick reference. In these stickies will be all of this information. In addition to this concrete information you will also be able to post theories, thoughts, suspicions, or any other information you feel is pertinent to the case.
It was Timmy and Chelsea Croslin that had the van on the night Haleigh went missing. I just looked it up. Tommy was the brother that lived nearby that went to check on Misty for Ronald. I have been told the van was far enough away, it would not have been possible for Misty to have walked that distance that night.
HollyGsMom:
I will try to help. I just found the van info on You Tube. There is alot of videos there and alot on Art Harris.com, I know.
fuwmfest
“YEAH I GOT UP TO USE THE BATHROOM, I DIDN’T MAKE IT TO THE BATHROOM, UM I WALKED INTO THE LIVINGROOM, NOTICED THE KITCHEN LIGHT WAS ON”
this is what misty said on greta after haleigh went missing 8 months ago.
during the voice anaylsis much later the version is more believable
“THAT KITCHEN LIGHT WAS JUST GLARING INTO MY BEDROOM. SO I GOT UP AND WENT TO THE KITCHEN”
maybe someone realized that it was impossible for her to not have noticed the light from the bedroom – hence a new way of saying what happened.
this may or may not be a lie. but it is a notable change to me. and yes i believe misty is covering facts up about that night and specifically to fuwmfest, yes this statement is my opinion. 🙂 it is a ding ding ding for me. hopefully the police will find out the truth.
Thank you Karen.
I have started to post some links already. There is so much to cover already, even though not alot of evidence still. Thanks to you and Justice for the help & support. I invite everyone to join at the link at the top of the page. We will have a data base soon for “quick” reference. Anyone who would like to contribute is welcome. I am also working on a Google Earth map of Satsuma that includes ALL players, distances, places of interest, suspects, searched areas, ect.
Hollysgmom, I love your idea. I will help when I can to locate info. We live in the country and don’t have real internet, I use an air card and it is weaker than dial up where I am located so research for me is not real good and very slow. The signal is weak, it won’t open a lot of sites. Not griping just wanted you to know. Treece
HollyGsMom:
You can find all kinds of information on this case by Googling in Haleigh Cummings’ Update.
You can go down the line and get most of what you need.
iowamom said,
in October 19th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Everyone please read her post. My faith has been restored. Maybe this case will be solved after all.
iowamom,
Where have you been hiding? People need to listen. Sapp is on my list of only two and a half. Strong work sister. Maybe someone will listen. You could be the key!!! I’m so happy I could shout.
Karon Cox, locals in general.. I don’t know, I have been told three different elements.
1. that the FBI stated the track ended at the river.
2. that the dogs tracked Haleigh all over the neighborhood, as if she or whomever had her were lost and had to struggle to find their way out of the community area.
3. that the river would pull the scent.
Next elements I was told.
1. that Le had a dog brought out to track Haleigh’s Scent.
2. that Johnny Sheffield brought his bloodhounds out later that day.
3. that an independed dog was brought in and it tracked a specific path and circled set down, the owner advising this mean’t a vehicle was there for pickup.
Next element:
1. was the dogs brought in to search for a body and hit on the dumpster althought nothing was found in the dumpster, nor was anything found at the dump.
Now, this is what would confuse me. I know that at least 4 dogs prior to the dumpster issue were tracking Haleigh, the day after she went missing. Now, if Haleigh had been in that dumpster those 4 dogs would have hit on her scent the first day. They wouldn’t have to be dogs used for dead bodies, they would be tracking her scent.
Another issue that has driven me crazy.. People actually believe that dogs have to be trained and certified to track People. Maybe they are not really aware of dogs and tracking. I have seen untrained dogs used in tracking animals for Trappers out west. These dogs are given the scent from the trap and they automatically track the animal. Now, before you have to ask the question, let me give you an answer. When trappers lose an animal from a trap, the animal is general in pain and hurt from the trap. This makes the animal violent and aggressive and suffering. Therefore, a trapper will track the animal and shoot it. Folks these are facts of life.
So, the purpose of telling you this.. Don’t get bogged down in the issues of this is required and that is required. Take your poodle out in the back yard, and watch him scent the air and the ground.. your poodle could track someone.
I have had a part beagle that tracked my car from home, 5 miles to the location of the parking lot, I used when I was at work. Now, this untrained dog was tracking my vehicle over pavement.. Think about that. Did it follow me, no she didn’t. She never chased a car nor followed one. Don’t let people confuse you about Dogs and tracking.
Going back to the search.. At this very point, I don’t know, there may well be something leading to the lady and her dog. No, this was not Gunny, Gunny was used on the march 22 search.
iowamom, Donnal Lee Sapp is setting in the Putnam County Jail…. Now, tell me.. do you think they have not questioned him? Do you think he could have gotten away with anything, his two year ago charges caught up with him.
You think you’ve solved the case.. Well, here is a suggestion.. You spend the next two weeks digging up his life, the ages of the girls he is attracted to, his MO. Learn everything you possible can about this man. If the PCSO had thought that this was a Stranger abduction, which would include SO’s. They would have labeled it as such..
This man did not know Ron or the children, was not related to misty’s family in any way shape or form. His girlfriend was related by marriage to Bruce Griffis. Now, stop and think, would Bruce Griffis allow this man anywhere near his wife and family? Bruce also testified against this man along with his brother. There was no love lost between the two Griffis Brothers and this Sapp man. He was never around Haleigh!!
He did not know Haleigh, She did not know him!!
He would constitute a STRANGER abduction. He would never have been considered as a Family or Family friend!!! Research for Facts.
I agree Solve Crimes…I am going to take the liberty of reposting iowamom’s post here……
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iowamom said,in October 19th, 2009 at 4:50 pm To Mylee,
You have hit on a subject that I have been talking about for 8 mos. Donald Lee Sapp. Convicted sex offender who likes little girls HaLeigh’s age and up. Recently arrested and jailed for trying to “connect” with a 13 yr. old girl he met on the internet. Not only is he related to Crystal (by marriage), he is also related to Misty (down the chain). He had the perfect opportunity (he was staying with Misty’s brother and SIL long enough to learn the habits of Misty and others around there)he knew she would be gone and maybe at her brother’s, he had time to go in and get HaLeigh unnoticed. He know’s the layout of the trailer (I think it was his father who owned and rented that trailer out before the new owner rented it to Ron, Donald had keys to it). I know Ron said he changed the locks but who knows if that is true. HaLeigh would not have been afraid of him (he was seen “playing” with her on a trampoline a day or two before she vanished). When LE pulled the Sex Offender Registry for that area he would not have come up as living in the area, he was registered at the time in Crescent City, even though he had been living with Misty’s brother and SIL in the same park as Ron and Misty for weeks (so no need for LE to look for him in the trailer park where HaLeigh vanished from). Donald was remodling the trailer he currently lives in with Billy (there is another story there, check out how her husband died who left her that trailer). When the dogs hit on the dumpster could it be because it contained remodling supplies that maybe he disposed of there from the VACANT trailer he was remodling, could he have taken HaLeigh there that night? If he carried her to the trailer he would go right by the railroad tracks where HaLeigh’s scent stopped. He had access to the van and to the keys, could have driven HaLeigh to his home in Crescent City and come back and parked the van(no DNA or evidence in HIS vehicle that way, no one would question HIS or HaLeigh’s DNA in the van, Misty said he did use the van once or twice)I corresponded with Misty and Ron shortly after this happened and when I asked Misty about him she said, “you know he was acting very strange after HaLeigh was taken” and “I am not for sure but he never was interviewed by the cops” (I still have the emails) Teresa Neves saw Donald Sapp “feeding alligators” something a few days afer HaLeigh vanished. I could go on and on and on with my theory of Donald Sapp, I have given all of it to PCSO, FDLE, FBI and put it out there on many different blogs hoping someone would jump on my bandwagon. To date I have no idea if he has been investigated or not, even after repeated emails to PCSO, FDLE and FBI. Hopefully I am wrong and she is alive and well living with someone who loves her and takes care of her until she can be found or someone decides enough is enough and brings her home…
====end of iowamom’s post (reposted)
Again, let me just say that if Misty is guilty (and she could be), I hope she gets busted and busted good.
However, I think Cobra is right. She has been doing drugs so much that she doesn’t think clearly. Add the drugs to the fact that she is a little slow anyway (learning disability), and most of the things I hear coming out of her mouth seem like fragments, nothing coherent, not purposeful lies.
If I were going to call the police and try to convince them someone broke into my house, I would not insist that the deadbolt was locked — unless it was locked and I was scratching my head myself wondering how the intruder managed that. Not even Misty is that dense. She would have at least left herself an opening saying that she was pretty sure it was locked.
I had the manager of my apartment building knock on my door one evening. When he identified himself, I opened the door and he was standing there holding my keys in his hand. I had left them in the door on the outside when I carried groceries in and he noticed them walking by and knew it wasn’t safe for me. But I was sure that door was locked when I went to sleep that night!
I honestly am amazed at how quickly people jump to various conclusions. LE should be ashamed. They dismissed all the sex offenders in a heartbeat (even the one related to Misty) because there was no sign of forced entry oh and yea one of them wore an ankle monitor.
WOW!, I hope this is truly a break in the case. I really hope LE are digging deep in this. I just hope this man didn’t feed her to the gators. 🙁
I’m in “AW” about your post Iowamom.
The only question now would be, was Misty really in that house sleeping? Or was she really at a party and left the kids home sleeping?
If she was at a party and left the kids home alone, she could be charged too.
Misty makes her own self look guilty her story keeps changing more times then she changes her underpants. If she wasnt home the night Haleigh went missing yes she is guilty you dont leave children home alone by themselves. I believe Ron is responsible too to leave his children with someone like her who just got down being gone for three days on a drug thing. Apparently Ron isnt very smart upstairs and neither is Misty.
I just wish that someone would come up and come clean. So that we can bring this beautiful precious baby girl home. Enough is enough.
There is another missing little girl in Florida as well Clay County not sure what the heck is going on. I remember when my son was little school aged I walked him to school or to his bus stop. I still do sometimes even though he is in middle school but he does carry his cell phone to school as well. This world is so crazy and sick what the heck is wrong with people now days.
All this pickering isnt solving a thing either. I know it is driving all of nuts cause we dont know the truth we just assuming what happened and who may have been involved. I just want this case to be solved and that we are then knows who is involved in Haleigh’s being missing..
Misty didn’t even finish 6th grade. She had trouble all through the schooling she did do. Then she had been doing drug on top of all this. That didn’t help. That being said, It doesn’t surprise me with the slight story changes. but in the end of her stories, they all end up the same, just different wording.
As for Ron, He WAS working. I don’t know why his mother or someone else couldn’t watch the kids. But grandma did drop off clean clothes.So maybe grandma was watching the kids and Misty from a far.
Just my opinion.
mlee – when I was younger, we had a beagle that did the exact same thing (tracked the car). It was amazing.
How does anybody know for sure that there wasn’t anything significant in the dumpster?
Just because they didn’t find a body, doesn’t mean that there wasn’t something there (seemingly insignificant) that had been in contact with one.
The SM forum showed a picture of Chad Elliott’s house with cinder blocks strung out all in the front yard. I thought that was pretty interesting.
Another little girl has gone missing Somer Thompson ! Apparently she only lives about 45 min – an hour away from Satsuma.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=146923&catid=3
Makes me wonder a little if there is a connection…
My prayers and heart go out to all the families.
All I know is that if Haleigh shows up 10 years from now having spent the last decade being raped by a SO, if I were Ron and Misty, I would be wealthy at LE’s expense and bitter….very bitter becuase it wouldn’t undo a decade of abuse.
Tim Miller would get a lesson about publicizing polygraph results too. Didn’t we learn anything from the Ramsey case?
Its 5 o’clock somewhere – I do not delete the comments with links in it. The problem is that some go into moderation for me to approve or delete and some go into Spam and are deleted but the thing is I do not see the ones that go into Spam. It would take me all day and night to search for one before they are deleted with all the comments we get.
For some reason it doesn’t like links added but the ones I receive I normally approve. I am sorry if it is inconvenient but there is nothing I can do about it. I get to the ones in moderation as soon as I possibly can, but I do try and sleep sometimes LOL
I hope you all understand 🙂
Jan Barrett
of course we understand Jan, no problem. You do a great job of keeping up with us. I am sure this is very time consuming on your part. Thank you for doing it.
mlee, how do you know all those facts? Do you know Donald Sapp? Not to be a smart a but I haven’t read those facts anyplace.
mlee @ 8:26 am You said, “If the PCSO had thought that this was a Stranger abduction, which would include SO’s. They would have labeled it as such.”
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That’s the problem I have. That LE may have “labeled” this crime too early and possibly incorrectly. Especially if they based it on some assumption about “no forced entry” which has been proven to be irrelevant in a number of known cases.
Also I’m not really sure what LE means by “stranger.” There are plenty of people “around” a family who are not blood relatives who would not be “strangers” exactly.
I remember reading about some guy who was staying with Misty’s brother and SIL – sleeping on their sofa – at the time and he was an SO.
I guess that’s the guy (Sapp?) that iowamom is talking about. Not sure.
What drives me nuts is that so far in Putnam County it looks to me like the SO’s get far better treatment than a lot of other people – I suppose part of it is “due process” as in Snodgrass’s case. But I sure would like to have seen a more open-minded view of this case from the start.
From what I have seen, they should just call it SO County. Because that county seems to be full of SOs. If they aren’t an SO, They are related to one some how some way.
I know all the adults know right from worng.
At the same time, I have to question the County,LE,Court System.
It just seems odd that everyone there is allowed to be a free SO,druggies,alcoholics,trouble makers.
IMO I thought it was a fact that Donald Snapp was watching Haleigh on trapoline the evening she was took. I have read this to be a fact, And yes his ass sets in jail today.
katfish said,in October 19th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
“There were some reports from parents at the bus stop that Misty had picked Haleigh up from the bus on Monday in the blue van that belonged to her bro and SIL (Tommy and Lindsey?). I always assumed “they” took the van back to their house.”
Karon Cox said,in October 20th, 2009 at 1:52 am “It was Timmy and Chelsea Croslin that had the van on the night Haleigh went missing. I just looked it up. Tommy was the brother that lived nearby that went to check on Misty for Ronald. I have been told the van was far enough away, it would not have been possible for Misty to have walked that distance that night.”
Karon, Thanks for correcting my oops. I shouldn’t post when too tired, or not sure of the information.I really do appreciate your taking the time to look that up. 🙂
I notice I nibbled on Ann’s “bait” too, but the hook didn’t set and this katfish won’t be responding to that particular bait again. geesh!
its 5 o’clock: That to me says he is not a stranger, living w/Tommy, watching Haleigh on a trampoline…….hmmmm
Paw: Its not just Putnam County, I lived in Flagler Co. (neighboring Putnam) and when my kids were little I did an FDLE, SO search and there were 15 within 5 miles and I lived way out in the middle of nowhere, 1 had been an icecream man, 1 an electrician, its scarry but now I live in smalltown in NC and after my grandson was born did an SO check and there are 8 within 5 miles…..atleast the website has pictures and addresses, you can even be alerted if another one moves in your area(in both states).
Another thing, my daughter and I went to the park the other day and the city has put up warnig signs that if you are a SO it is illegal for you to be in the park….not sure if I would rather live where the park is posted or where the city feels there is no need to post (because they are everywhere and they stick together,networks, chats,etc.)
Karon, Thanks for correcting me too, I also thought that it was Tommy’s van.
PAW69, I’m with you on this. What kind of a f—ed up place is this ? Not only that, but the main families involved in this are all questionable character types. They have been in and out of jail numerous times. Even their associations are criminal types or SOs. Haleigh never stood a chance. DCF should see about doing something to ensure Ron Jr.’s well being too.
I haven’t been following this case too long but did find that Donald Sapp was mentioned in the begining of this investigation. Did LE ever give a statement about investigating him. I found this info on another website:
The 116 Tyler St. address is where GF Misty’s brother lives with his wife, Lindsy Croslin. Property tax records indicate Lindsy as coowner with Guy Sapp.
m2c said,
in October 20th, 2009 at 10:51 am
I remember reading about some guy who was staying with Misty’s brother and SIL – sleeping on their sofa – at the time and he was an SO.
I guess that’s the guy (Sapp?) that iowamom is talking about. Not sure.
What drives me nuts is that so far in Putnam County it looks to me like the SO’s get far better treatment than a lot of other people – I suppose part of it is “due process” as in Snodgrass’s case. But I sure would like to have seen a more open-minded view of this case from the start.
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If I’m not mistaken Donald Sapp lived with Billye Griffis and not any Croslins.
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Guy Sapp is Lindsy’s grandfather and no kin to Donald Sapp.
Thank you, Vaquera! So who was sleeping on the sofa? LOL!
Romewi – Very early in the case PCSO said they checked out the SO’s in the area and cleared them. Many of us are not satisfied with that “effort” or statement but that’s what LE said.
5 o’clock
There have been so many lies told in this case,things like TN’s car was repo’d.It has not been depo’d,but stories like that are told to cause sympathy and people to send money to family.It’s so sad that people are lied to in this case.
thank you karen, i did know to do this
You can find all kinds of information on this case by Googling in Haleigh Cummings’ Update.
just used google earth just to clear up some distances: hank”tommy” and lindsey live 350 yards away in astraight line which is (2/10 mile or 3 1/2 football fields or 420 yards if you curve around and use the road or sidewalk(if you jogged slowly you’ be there in 1:30 seconds or so (unless your fat like me then 2:00). billye griffis and don sapp trailer is 1.26 miles in a straight line or 2 miles by roadway. Hope this helps for anyone wanting to know
I was just reading and catching up a bit on comments. I have some requests for links and some observations on some of the more hotly debated facts or lack there of.
1. Please provide an audio link of Ronald saying that the bed was made and there was no laundry detergent. I would like to hear it from Ronald, not second hand hearsay… Laundry soap is really a non issue anyway. Cleaning a blanket that has been urinated on by sending it thru a wash cycle with no soap is still better than doing nothing, or rinsing it in a sink or tub.
2. Please provide documentation that the door was locked when HaLeigh was discovered to be missing. It was not, it was open. The door being locked was part of the daily routine so there is an assumption made that it was locked when the household retired for the night. We do not know how it became unlocked, only that it did.
3. Please tell me why it is important why Misty woke at 3ish AM ? When I wake in the middle of the night sometimes it is because my throat is dry and I need some water, only to realize once awake that I need to pee as well or vise versa. Upon waking, I am groggy and could not tell you if I woke because I needed water, or needed to make water- but both take place.
4. Please provide proof that Rat Gate really happened. Police did not find Hank “Tommy ” Crosslin to be a credible witness and chose not to investigate the claims of what amount to Federal Charges (Mail tampering) . Once again I ask for proof, not hear say. I would like photo’s of said headless rat and an indisputable link from the rat to Ronald and Misty.
5. Please provide proof that lie detector tests and layered voice analysis tests are infallible. Well, that is not possible, if they were they would be admissible in a court of law. I am not going to site the many false pass and fails associated with many high profile cases, as they have been previously cited by others here.
6. The screen door was not new or in good repair. The shock was quite obviously blown as the door slammed shut as demonstrated on the walk thru on Nancy DisGrace. I do not believe there was a functional slide stop on the shock mechanism and it would seem to me there would be a door wedge or other such implement that was used if multiple trips were made thru the door or if the door needed to be propped open for an extended period of time. I can see no reason for a cinder block or a paver being used regularly for such a purpose as I would want something light, easy and convenient to use, something I could toss down and toe in under the doorframe.
Thank you all for your thoughts and considerations.
ugh! i did NOT know to do this, err
Googling in Haleigh Cummings’ Update.
poor Misty…robbed trying to buy drugs over at the Ragsdale Apts.
Who were the girls she was with? hmmmmm…..
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=146957
1) The point about the blanket was that “What if it had Haleigh’s blood on it” and she was washing it at 3 am!
2) The 911 call had Ronald talking about the door being locked. You can search for that.
3) It’s not important. She woke up to a missing child – Important.
4) Research it if you want proof. We aren’t here to do your investigation work for you dear. Didn’t Ronald admit to it finally?
5) Well agreed about the lie detector test and what not. Good Point.
6) Point.
The only point I want to be made- is where is Haleigh.
SOMEONE on this PLANET knows what happened to this little girl & I hope they rot in H…. well.. I hope they rot for making millions of people worry and upset over this.
Not to mention the mother, fater, immediate family that watched this child blossom till 6 (or what not).
I’m saddened by this.
I dont give a FLYING LEAP if this girl was robbed while trying to buy drugs! ANOTHER WAY TO KEEP HER NAME IN THE DARN MEDIA!
Who cares.
Well besides that being kinda scary! lol!
Im just saying. She’s trying her best to stay KNOWN!
Misty robbed trying to buy drugs and again no charges are filed! What’s going on? LE could put some pressure on her for this and the road rage incident. Can’t they charge her for intent to buy?
Romewi, apparently it doesn’t matter if they are buying drugs. I’m starting to wonder if LE are buying too. Cause they sure in the hell aren’t doing anything else. Or atleast it doesn’t seem like they are. JMHO
Thank you, Mel22, that is interesting info and good to know!
So why don’t these girls go to jail for buying drugs? They’re “Victims” now because their purses (and presumably the drugs they bought) were stolen? Or maybe they didn’t get the drugs but anyway, geesh. Or maybe it’s just a big hoax. Those seem to be popular these days (balloon boy and Road Rage are recent examples)
Geesh again.
I guess Misty lost her “drug connection” in the divorce. I guess Ron kept that! (So who said there wasn’t any “community property?” LOL!)
Brandy Steedley (18) Melinda Santmyer (22)
http://www.news4jax.com/news/21352160/detail.html
lol…if you know who took ripped off Misty..
No suspects have been identified in the case. If anyone has information on the case, they are asked to call the Palatka Police Department at 904-329-0115
I find this story hard to believe. “One of the girls told LE they were there to buy drugs and got mugged”. Who would tell that? They would have told 1000 different reasons they were there besides….unless of course the one that said it is in on a game. If Misty has any street smarts she DID NOT say that. JMO
treece, you’re right. In the news report I read (on wesh.com I believe) it was one of the other girls who said that I think. Do you think Misty’s “friends” set her up as a joke or for the publicity?
I don’t think the drug seller showed up but the robbers did. Sounds like a set-up one way or the other to me.
I have a feeling Misty was set up. That just doesn’t sound right at all. Just like with the Road Rage BS. It seems they are trying to get her in trouble enough to sit in jail in hopes if she’s in jail, she’ll break. I believe her when she says she has told them everything she knows.
If you get caught over at Ragsdale, the police know why. It’s one of THOSE kind of places.
It doesn’t matter what kind of place it is. This situation has signs of a set-up.
set up????? roflmao…..you guys are KILLING me.
If they were going to set her up, don’t you think that they’d have LET her buy the drugs & THEN bust her?
One of the women were out of the car talking to someone, another man comes up to the car and pulls Misty out, beats on her some and takes her purse. That’s just too strange for me to take in as (it’s that kind of place).
Okay, Here are the exact words for what I’m talking about…..
The police report says Misty, 17, was with two friends in the Ragsdale Apartments parking lot when one friend exited the car they were driving to speak to someone. When the woman returned, she said “two or three black males jumped on Cummings [Misty] taking her purse and pulling her out of the vehicle.”
I’m sorry, but this was a set-up.
And here is the other part that makes me feel this was a set-up…
Misty got back into the car and the driver drove off, while the third woman chased the men. Misty was treated for minor injuries at Putnam County Medical Center.
The 3rd woman is going to chase 2-3 black males that just jumped Misty???? I think, NOT!!!
I’m just speechless.
I’m crying a river in my beer for her. That is so sad. She probably needed those drugs to feel normal high and sounds like she had money or drugs in her purse but all that the 3 guys left was part of her purse strap and a crushed bottle of pills.
Well, so far, the only things Misty is guilty of, is being a junior high dropout and a druggie. Everything else is just speculation and speculation due to her being a druggie. But 98% of Putnam County are all druggies and/or dropouts.
So, in all technicality, we’re still left with the #1 MOST IMPORTANT question…. WHERE IS HALEIGH???
Interesting story of Melinda SANTMYER,she is one who was left at apt complex where Misty was supposed to have been going to buy drugs last night.Well,interesting this Melinda is marrying a Crews,who are Crystal’s relatives…
Welcome to the wedding page for WILLIAM CREWS and MELINDA SANTMYER. Here you will find important wedding related information you need for WILLIAM and MELINDA.
Wedding Registies
WILLIAM and MELINDA are registered at the following retailers:
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Wedding Location
The wedding will be held in Crescent City, FL.
Wedding Date
The wedding will take place on April 17, 2010.
I guess there are just alot of Crews,Lauramores and Sheffields in those parts.
That’s just a little to close to home there.
Melinda Santmyer
Crescent City, FL
It says in her household there are three Crews living there.
So,this 22 year old told LE she was there to buy drugs?Wow,that’s really odd. 😉
Anyone think that possibly ex-husband planned this attack?
Just think… what a way to get her to run back to him /family for protection !!!
Or..
Payback because he believes she harmed HaLeigh, and it would be too soon after Firearm Gate to use a weapon on her.
And…
There’s always NayNay, WBG… pissed that they were dragged into this “mess”.
Not to seem biased… where was crystal… she did accuse her side of stealing the baby on National TV.
We could go on and on… Hell, her immediate family could be behind this.
Yes… where is HaLeigh ?????
Breaking news now this one will not surprise anyone.
Report: Misty Cummings robbed while trying to buy drugs
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breaking
This is how MyFoxorlando reports the story:
According to one of the victims, Brandy Steedley, age 18, they had driven to the complex so that one of the girls in the car could make contact with a friend, reports say. As the girl was getting back to the vehicle, 2 or 3 unidentified black male suspects approached the vehicle, reports say. The men reportedly grabbed Misty Cummings and stole her purse.
Reports say Cummings was able to get back in the vehicle and she and one other girl, Steedley drove off in the vehicle. The third girl, identified as Melinda Santmyer, age 22 ran off on foot, reports say.
Officers located and interviewed Melinda Santmyer at an apartment in the complex. She told officers that they came to apartment complex attempting to buy drugs, reports say. She stated that she got out of the car to look for an unidentified man they gave money to for drugs, reports say. As she was going back to the vehicle the unidentified suspects came up to them and stole Cummings purse and her purse, reports say.
Cummings reportedly received minor injuries.
Prayers for Haleigh! The rest can go to hell.IMO
Hi Cent,
You quoted Misty as saying….
“YEAH I GOT UP TO USE THE BATHROOM, I DIDN’T MAKE IT TO THE BATHROOM, UM I WALKED INTO THE LIVINGROOM, NOTICED THE KITCHEN LIGHT WAS ON”
this is what misty said on greta after haleigh went missing 8 months ago.”
If course she had too elaborate as everyone has ju,ped dowm her throat… Ron explained on camera that if you were in the bedroom, while the kitchen light was on, it wud shine in there and be VERY visable….
Clearly, when she woke up, the fisrt thing she wud have seen, is that the light is on…….
Its is reidiculous to refer to that as an inconsistency….. That is just plain stupid…
I maintain, that if she has so mnay inconsistencies… SHE WUD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED….HANDS DOWN, NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT….
She has not been arrested, which says that the inconsistencies, so mnay ppl claim to exist must be RUMOURS started by sloppy journalism and reporters…. and PI’S AND MISSING PERSON ORGANIZATIONS….
FED UP….
You are doing some ERRONEOUS and SLOPPY reporting yourself… that was not me that quoted Misty !!
Skywise @ 5:35 – When I suggested a “set-up” I didn’t mean by LE. I meant by her “friends” for publicity or something. Or by the supposed drug seller. Or maybe the whole thing’s a hoax.
FED UP… THIS IS WHAT I SAID… AND WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU AGAIN….
cent said,in October 20th, 2009 at 12:24 am Fed Up,
What I would expect for her to say, even if she had to scream it is…. I have NOT been inconsistant at all!!!! It’s just that plain and simple, she admitted it on camera, and that’s still not enough for you. I have given her a considerable amount of leeway, which by the way is NOT JUST based on her lack of education/age.
At some point Fed Up, you MAY NEED to stop relying on her LACKS to further YOUR cause.
I have never been out to get Misty or anyone in their family. It’s about HaLeigh and HaLeigh only!!
And…
I don’t want to take potshots at you at all, but, you seem to be a bit obsessed with Misty’s possible innocence.
Just my thoughts… not looking for a further response.
Maybe it’s another TM set-up. Maybe he’s working for Chrystal. jmo
The Ants went on a Cruise thanks to CBS, I bet Casey is really pissed she had to stay in her little cell. Bella Vita Casey.
Here is a pic from the Cruise this is Lee and Mallory, is she preg in a Bikini letting it all hang out?
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/21353061/detail
Perhaps someone is really pissed that the law was looking into the drug trade there and they figured Misty is the one that has called attention to their operations.
Her face and name is well-known, makes me wonder if she REALLY believes that she’ll be able to frequent her old stomping grounds as before.
If so… D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L
Fed Up – You said, “She has not been arrested, which says that the inconsistencies, so mnay ppl claim to exist must be RUMOURS started by sloppy journalism and reporters…. and PI’S AND MISSING PERSON ORGANIZATIONS”
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I believe it was the PCSO that said that Misty’s accounts of that evening were inconsistent. Then they (the Sheriff or spokesperson) went on to say something like she has the “key” or critical information. They squarely put the burden on her quite a while back. And you are right. They have not arrested her. I don’t think they could hold her long or whoever the prosecutor is doesn’t want to try to prosecute her on “inconsistencies.” Those do not necessarily mean that she is guilty of anything other than confusion (at best).
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JMO but I think more people would be willing to listen to your point of view (not that we disagree with it entirely anyway) if you didn’t yell at us and call us stupid. That doesn’t help anything or anyone.
cent @ 6:16 – I don’t think Misty left Ron. I think either he called it off or they came to that conclusion mutually. But I do not think the divorce was Misty’s idea.
PAW – I don’t think LE or TM would have set this up. If they had they’d have arranged to have her arrested for buying drugs. Not to have her mugged. I think it was “bad luck” in a bad neighborhood or a set-up by her “friends.”
The sendond pic on the Anthonys Georgett has a earring.
“Fed Up with the Misty Fest” you must stop yelling at people who disagree with you. People are afraid to post what they think and feel because you quickly attack people who do not agree with every thing you say.
Please stop demanding everyone see things the way you do.
I’m sure Simon and Jan welcome everyones views, not just yours, and I doubt they want you chasing people away from this blog.
I do wonder about RSO’s, SECOND to Tommy….. as to possible perps in this case…
I want to know why LE has written off Chad Reynolds and have suggested that he is either dead (by possibly sleeping in a dumpster that was crushed, and dumped, or maybe out of the USA)
It was only 6 days since Chad had least been seen, that Misty went missing.
The crime he had been convicted of, was molesting an 11 yr old girl, after he snuck in thru a window of her mobile home, with her family there and sleeping…. in Putnam County….
He was released in Novemeber 2008, and was supposed to be reporting to his mothers residence not very far from haleigh’s) and stopped showing up Feb 1 and was allegedly last heard from, by his friend Ryan, on Feb 3 where the call Chad made was disconnected at the very start….He had been physically seen last feb 1 leaving a bar, (which breeched his probation) after watching the super bowl and was never seen agina. Yet he was still around on Feb 3 when he called his buddy. So he breached his prob by stop reporting to his monthers opn Feb, as well went to a bar, and had to be somewhere for 2 days in between the time he called Ryan…
Why isnt Cobra and Tim Miller, looking for this missing person?? He needs to be found. Dead or alive. Why did LE write him off? Does the fact that they hace said there is no connection suggest they have DNA and/or prints from the cinder block, and/or pink Tshirt? I wud like to know how they ruled him out as if it was just on their “hunch” that wud be sloppy work. If he hasnt been ruled out by dna or prints, how do we know he didnt take haleigh with him? Even if it was to his grave????
M2C, I wasn’t saying LE set her up. I was wondering if maybe TM did, since it’s not the first set-up he has done. That’s all.
Fed up, I think m2c is giving you good advice. I too, have defended Misty many times but short & sweet leaves people with a more open attitude where too much is sometimes a turn off. Don’t want to hurt your feelings just food for thought. Treece
m2c,
I don’t think she left him either, just think it’s a hella way to keep someone in “line”, out of your presence.
You know like, “no matter what, I’ll always know what you’re doing, who you’re with” or “I can always get to you”…
That type of jazz.
Just a thought
It’s interesting looking up Melinda SANTMYERA in google for myspace,found her on the friend list of Amy in Syracuse,which is her sister.Melinda also lived in Orlando,looks like.Wow,all these connections are so interesting.
PAW69, the first thing I thought was this reminds me of the road rage joke. No one there to buy drugs would tell it. 1st that could get them in trouble with LE but it would also get them in BIG trouble with the drug dealer. It would also make no one want her around or want to sell to her because they don’t trust her. I agree this is a set up and I am not sure Misty is safe there at all because who knows who is behind this prank.
I’m starting to wonder if EVERYONE is related in that whole area. EEK!!! Nothing like making babies with good ole cuzz over yonder.
Treece, This is starting to fall back to the whole Chrystal situation. I now wonder if the Haleigh kidnapping was set up too. And I’m sorry, but if this Melinda is related to Chrystal, Then I’d have to say, Chrystal is behind Haleigh missing and trying to make it look like Misty did it. I still don’t think Chrystal did it herself, But she’s a huge part of it.
PAW69, it is definitely not looking good that Melinda is connected to Crystal. I personally have not questioned Crystal much but this looks very bad for her. Could she have been that jealous of Misty??
Hey Guys,
This could be a setup… to get everyone’s attention diverted including OURS.
Treece, Well lets see, Misty was with Ron, Misty was playing “mommy” to her kids, Yeah, I could see some jealousy. Plus, she was looking at jail time for not paying child support for her children.
Paw,
There are tons of Crews,Lauramores and Sheffields around there,just thought it was interesting.Melinda might not even know her fiancee’s relatives or he could be a distant relative.It seems so many are related. I just find Melinda’s story so odd,you tell LE you’re going to buy drugs and you chase after robbers and get left?LOL What is going on?
No one would ever admit that to police. Especially when they are still in the apartment complex where it happened.
I’m sure they are all related in some form.
I trust no one in this case.
Did anyone just hear Misty’s name on the scanner?I missed it,was just told they thought they heard it.
PAW69, if you are right the GREAT thing about it will be that Haleigh is alive!!!! I hope LE is tuning into these connections.
I find the Orlando and NY thing interesting.I wonder what school she graduated from?
I still feel they need to look closer at Chrystal and her side of the world. They cleared her way too quickly. They cleared a lot of people way too quickly.
Ms.Peridot:
Have you found Haleigh Cummings’ update, yet?
I agree they cleared too quickly but why did they do that staged search at Crystals place and all that digging etc?
Nothing has proven she’s dead. Just like nothing has proven she’s still alive. Anything is possible. But they need to move on from Misty and move towards Chrystal’s side. For 8 months they’ve been on Misty’s side and have found nothing. Maybe they’ll get the answers if they move on to Chrystal’s side. What do they have to lose? Nothing. But they could possibly have everything to gain.
I found Melinda’s Mom Susan lives in Orlando,but myspace is private.
I believe on Chrystal’s side, someone along the line is in with prosecutors or something. I can’t remember exactly what or who. Nor do I know if it’s true. But that may explain why there was a staged search if there was one.
PAW69 I agree. It seems like KP got LE to stop looking at Crystal’s side right off the bat.
Some more “bait”….
Here’s a thought….or several…don’t remember where I read it, but I did read that Ron ‘alegedly’ ripped off a drug dealer at one point. It’s possible that the drug dealer retaliated and came to Ron and Misty’s and ‘stole’ Haleigh. Possibly threatened Misty’s life…hence Ron’s comments that his ‘dumb biotch girlfriend let his daughter get stole’. Would also explain Misty’s frame of mind when he had her call 911. Possible reason for her holding back what really happened that night??? Might also explain their divorce…maybe Ron really does care for Misty and he’s trying to protect her in some way?????
Today’s report that she was pulled from the car and purse stolen….maybe shows she is in danger also of retaliation by the alleged ripped off drug dealer?? I don’t think the motive here was to steal her purse. She has an attorney and has spoken to law enforcement….It’s possible her life is in danger because she knows too much…even tho she hasn’t shared with law enforcement what she actually knows.
Other senario…Donald Sapp….creepy sick child molesting bastard. Also read reports that there is ‘alegedly’ a child sex ring working in that area that has been reported to Chrystals atty.
WACOT…
1) The point about the blanket was that “What if it had Haleigh’s blood on it” and she was washing it at 3 am!
The blanket, or a blanket is not missing as far as I am aware. There is no confirmation that the washer and or dryer were running at 3:30 AM when police arrived that was an internet rumor as far as I have found. The point about the blanket is not wether there is blood on it, it is one of Misty’s alleged inconststancies.
2) The 911 call had Ronald talking about the door being locked. You can search for that.
Yes the door was locked when he went to work. It was unlocked when they discovered HaLeigh was missing and LE was called. You can search for that 🙂
3) It’s not important. She woke up to a missing child – Important.
I am not disputing the fact that HaLeigh being missing is the MOST IMPORTANT FACT. I am merely pointing out once again there is an explanation for Misty’s alleged inconsistancies that everyone is beating her up about.
4) Research it if you want proof. We aren’t here to do your investigation work for you dear. Didn’t Ronald admit to it finally?
I have done my research Thank You Very Much,and no Ronald did not admit to placing a decapitated rat into Tommy’s mailbox. Tommy accused him of doing so and Tim Miller alleged that Ronald did it in some ploy to test Misty. That is HEAR SAY it is not proof.
5) Well agreed about the lie detector test and what not. Good Point.
Thank You
6) Point.
Thank you again…
Not suree what I think about the attempted drug buy/robbery … Hmmmmmmm
I have never heard of a drug dealer taking a child due to being ripped off. But that is your opinion. Just never heard of that happening before, ever.
Wacot, you are right about hearing that RC admitted he put the rat in the mailbox. He admitted that to a trusted person who has uncovered a lot of other information about people.
I wouldn’t think the dealer wants to risk the publicity.
But I have heard 911 calls of parents ect. being in distraught from waking up to a child missing.
c, was the “trusted person” tim miller?
PAW…Ron said in the beginning (ON TAPE) that he was XXX% sure who took his daughter. And he has also said that he ‘did something in his past that could have triggered this’. It is plausable…that a pissed off drug dealer would kidnap/kill a family member in retaliation for being ripped off/drug deal gone bad. Ever see Pulp Fiction??
PAW…I also believe Ron was distraught…and also believing that maybe his actions triggered this horrible abduction/event.
Drug dealer is not ‘risking publicity’ if he has others doing his dirty work and making it look like a random attack.
I don’t think Misty is safe in that town.
I deleted my twitter,because it kept getting messed up,didn’t know what was wrong and it wouldn’t post.So,anyway,I would like for people on twitter that are putting out Brandy’s Facebook(which Brandy’s has a deleted profile pic),to know there are three Brandy’s in Florida.The one mentioned last night is 18 and has three myspace sites,red hair and from Crescent City.The other two are older and only have the same name,they are getting put out there as the Brandy from last night.
Yes I have seen the MOVIE Pulp Fiction.
But it seems to me a little too far stretched.
Until recently, I believed R&M had something directly to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. But did some research today and although I don’t think they were directly involved….I do believe that Ron’s (and possibly Misty’s) lifestyle and previous actions could be the key here. If Haleigh WAS taken by drug dealer thugs, I doubt she is still alive, as they would not have been aware of her medical conditions and probably wouldn’t care.
Ann, where did Ron say he did something in his past to trigger this? Thanks, treece
Why all the drug dealer busts in the last couple days? Misty talked??? She was attacked?? Just sayin…
What other drug busts have there been?
Actually, What drug busts have there been?
The only thing I’ve heard is what happened yesterday and I’m not so sure I even believe it.
But either way around, someone’s life style doesn’t make them a kidnapper/murderer. It doesn’t excuse the actual person who took Haleigh to do what they did.
chad e. released on bond today at 7:30. 3 days in. wonder what they talked about?
PAW – At first I thought the same thing. That drug dealers wouldn’t take a child. But then I remembered an incident out West involving Hispanic drug dealers. And then wasn’t the wonderful singer/actress Jennifer Hudson’s young relative (about 9 yrs old?) taken in a home invasion/shooting and subsequently found dead?
She was not involved at all but the victims were relatives of hers.
Kidnapping is an extremely stupid thing to do and brings out the dogs, FBI etc so I don’t understand why drug dealers would risk it but then they’re drug dealers so I shouldn’t expect much in the way of logical thinking.
By “bring out the dogs” I meant it would bring LE out in force – which I’d think drug dealers would not want. (In case anyone thought I really meant just the doggies). 🙂
Okay, First of all That was Jennifer’s sister’s boyfriend who did that, it was Jennifer’s nephew, The sister’s boyfriend’s son. He kidnapped his own son and it was out of pure rage and jealousy because she was seeing someone else.
PAW – Ann might have been talking about that Chad guy who was in jail for all of three days.
But that’s the only drug thing I’ve heard of.
Misty’s purse snatching episode doesn’t really rate as a drug bust to me.
PAW69 & m2c, if you will review Ann’s comments last night at 10:38, 11:02, 11:54, 12:30 and 12:42 they may reveal that she is not really wanting to discuss this but to play games. She might just want to get us all talking about her drug dealer idea.
Then that would be 1 drug bust lol. But okay, I’ll roll with it lol.
Thank You Treece. As you can tell, It’s not working with me. I’m sorry, I’m sticking to it, No drug dealer is going to take a child due to a drug retaliation. That’s my final Answer.
Still searching…may have seen it on Scared Monkey’s website. No, a person’s lifestyle does not make them a kidnapper/murderer, but a persons lifestyle and the people they choose to interact with, ie…drug dealears can directly affect them and their families if they are not honest/up front with said drug dealers. Don’t be so naive. No, I was not referring to Chad…I specifically said Donald Sapp.
“Misty’s purse snatching episode doesn’t really rate as a drug bust to me.” No one said it was a ‘drug bust’. Pay attention.
According to the news Misty was there to buy drugs and got robbed.
Wow! You are telling me not to be naive??? LMAO. Now that is truly funny.
Anyways, 1 person is not plural as in you saying drug “busts”.
The Misty episode is FAR from a drug bust. LMAO.
By the way, have you ever known ANY person in the drug world to be honest/up front with a dealer? LMAO
BTW Ann, You doing searches on Scared Monkeys is naive enough lmao. But do what you feel you gotta do.
Treece…thought you were one of the more ‘intelligent’ ones on this site, but apparently I was wrong. PAW…naive…clueless…dense…Maybe you are one of Rons relatives in denial that he uses drugs and has connections with questionable people. If all of your conclusions are correct, then, Ron and Misty are guilty of Haleigh’s disappearance.
Evidently there were some drug busts that went down at the same time as Chad E was arrested per this post from HollysGmom the other night. I didn’t see any follow up to her post…she has been busy posting stickies on the forum. It’s about time there were some drug arrests in Putnum County although it really doesn’t mean it has anything to do with Haleigh’s case.
HollysGmom said,in October 18th, 2009 at 10:30 pm http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=757039&IMG=59629
“Link to his “Proof of possesion”. LOL From 2:28 AM to 8:57 Am Oct 18,2009 PCSO arrested 7…count them 7…narcotics offenders. At least 5 of them seemed to occur simultainiously. All arrested for same or simular offense. The booking delays probably due to the paperwork end of police work. Takes some time to enter all that info and stuff.
I will add more info as I can dig it up.”
WHOA Ann, WTF. YOU are way out of your league there. 1st of all, I am far from naive,clueless,dense. 2nd of all I am far from being a relative and Jan & Simon can prove to you that I’m not even close to being a relative of Ron,Misty or anyone involved in this BS. I have my theories and speculations just like everyone else on this blog does. Mine have nothing to do with Ron nor Misty, thank you very much.
You need to go put yourself in check.
Sorry if I misread or missed a post of yours Ann. It certainly wasn’t intentional.
Just a note for future reference – you could be right as rain about everything and who did it and how and I would not care. In fact I won’t know. Because I won’t be reading your posts anymore. You are rude and nasty and seem to be looking for a fight or to get the blog closed down. So you can write your posts and read and answer them yourself from now on.
It’s getting rather warm in here tonight!!!!
Moving right along, last night I asked if anyone knew of Ronnie and Misty owning a computer, does anyone know?
Cent, If they don’t, I think a relative does because there are a few youtube videos of pictures that were made either by them and/or by friends and relatives of theirs.
PAW – Thank you for straigtening me out on the Jennifer Hudson related crime. I was so upset when I heard that child was killed that I didn’t read anymore about it. I guess it was speculation when it happened that it was drug related.
And I agree. I don’t think Haleigh was taken in some kind of drug related retaliation scenario either.
PAW…WTF…indeed!
Anyways, 1 person is not plural as in you saying drug “busts”.
Not sure where you are getting ‘1 person is drug busts’. Think maybe you should take a reading comprehension class. AND and English class..’anyways’.
The Misty episode is FAR from a drug bust. LMAO. Laugh your ass off all you want. Who said it was a drug bust?? Reading comprehension class would come in handy here also.
By the way, have you ever known ANY person in the drug world to be honest/up front with a dealer? LMAO
Laugh your ass off all you want. Yes I have. Do you KNOW any drug dealers??
Why are you so defensive?
And Treece…what’s up your ass?
m2c, it was very heartbreaking to follow the story.
cent, that’s a really good question. And I don’t know the answer. I suppose they could “own” one but it’s really difficult to imagine either of those dim bulbs actually using one – other than to play video games or something. Reading and writing don’t seem to be strong points with them (I don’t think).
Thanks Paw,
I was just wonder if LE found any type of communication going on between the familys and others, perhaps out of state. Since there was suppose to be a scare that the phones were tapped.
No I don’t know any drug dealers because I’m not into drugs. I’m not the defensive one. But obviously you are. You are very disrespectful and rude and it really sounds like you may want to look into some anger management classes.
And I will lmao, because I CAN!!! LMAO
BTW, I will no longer answer to any of your posts.
PAW 69 – I can’t believe it! (About the Jennifer Hudson family’s tragedy!) I could believe drug dealers did it before I could imagine what really happened! Unbelievable! Crazy! THanks for letting me know.
Cent, If they did find any communications going on via the computer, It was probably from a relative. Although I have seen worse of the worse have computers and some how they are able to manuever on them lol.
m2c, your welcome.
Hello, looks like I missed another setup (mho) while I was busy. Where is TM ? jk.
Hello all, been away for a while. Lots to catch up on.
Disgusted: Again, thanks for your intelligent post. Way to get all the speculation in check.
I agree with those who feel that Misty is safe. Why would the men go after the person inside the car? It makes no sense. It really doesn’t surprise me too much one of these girls admitted to the cops. They may not be as used to that kind of drama as Misty and were probably very scared.
Ann: You may have some valuable things to say, but it is all getting lost in your hostility. If you dislike everyone here so much, move along. Participation is voluntary and we do our best to respect each other and the reason we all post here, Haleigh Marie Cummings.
ToughEnough, I basically in not so many words already put it out there about TM as well lol. It was just a fly by thought though lol.
You know so many people believe that computer communication is completely safe. Just would be very interesting to see how many on all sides had computer access and to whom they were communicating with.
Just got a feeling that there is somebody that overlaps between them all… openly.
Ooops, I meant to say ” I agree with those who feel Misty is NOT safe”
mel22 –
Thanks for the heads up on Chad E. I hoped they searched his house. Guess we’ll have to wait & see.
Ann –
There HAVE been a lot of drug busts lately. Looks like they’re running them through like cattle.
cent, you brought up another good point. I always wondered about Ron thinking the phones were tapped. The first thing that sprang into mind was that he’d seen too many bad movies (probably starring Steven Seagal or whoever that guy is). And why should Ron care if the phones were tapped? That’s the question. Was he afraid of what he’d say or of what someone might say to him?
mariesilk, we agree she is not safe but it seems those thugs last night were just wanting to scare her. I feel for her because she has NO ONE that she can trust.
skywise @ 9:49 pm re 2nd paragraph: – it would be a good idea to continue to agree. Otherwise you’ll be “clueless, dense, stupid, naiive,” and/or worse! “related!”
LOL!
And on that note I’ll bid you all a good night!
Prayers for Haleigh.
Drug busts….DUH!
M2C,
Yes the phone tapping comments didn’t get much play, I too thought it was odd to be concerned if you did nothing wrong.
I’m thinking that perhaps there was concern that someone on the other end would be the one spilling… and maybe not about HaLeigh.
As I recall, NayNay said on ARTHARRIS.COM… Misty said the phones are tapped and then hung up. I would like to know who told Misty that they were, or did they just assume… like in a bad movie with Mr. Seagal 😀
In regard to Ron and Misty having a computer, I think when the lady from the Nancy Grace Show did the walk through of Ron’s home (with Teresa Neves), I think there was a computer in the home.
Does anyone know how to research the Nancy Grace Show videos?
I want to restate a point made by Ann. She pointed out that there have been a lot of drug busts in putnam and there has been. The one with Chad E. and a few days there was a big one where 7 people were arrested, mostly all Mexican.
It is suspect the timing of Misty’s ‘attack’. If she is covering for some druggies, they may think she is the reason why this happened. Or they may want to remind her not to, either way timing is suspect.
Also, le says they found a strap and crushed pill bottle on the scene, not with Misty when she came in to report it. I hope they follow that Santmeyer girl, she was the one who got out to make the deal right? Tells me she was the one who led them to that location to begin with. Wondering about the Crystal connection. Is that confirmed?
cent –
You’re right. From what I can tell, nobody is utilizing the internet & these forums to their full potential.
It appears that they check IP’s & match up screen names, maybe track emails (if the poster gives out a real one) but that’s about it. There’s no REAL organization of information anywhere so I can’t fathom any real efficiency in tracking & isolating visitors.
That area of Florida is rough, and they were in front of a drug dealer’s apt. house. They set themselves up for this one, most likely.
Has anyone thought that something like that could have happened to Haleigh. Instead of Misty’s purse, they grabbed Haleigh. If she were in the wrong place with friends and Haleigh was in the car.
Disgusted: That Greta Van Susteren video of Ronald and Misty, right after Haleigh went missing. You can find that on You Tube That tape has some detail from Ronald about the back door.
It is suspicious that they are so worried about phone taps. If my child was missing I would have my phones tapped on purpose and let them monitor calls from in my house if they thought that would help.
Innocent people don’t worry about phone taps or someone pretending to be your ex-wife’s friend either for that matter.
There could still be some arrests in this Misty drug deal after those unidentified pills get tested. We never know.
MarieSilk…thanks. Have my thoughts about the regulars who visit this site, but will bite my tongue at this point….no matter how difficult it is. ; ) DRUGS seem to be the cause of Haleigh’s disappearance, in my opinion.
Justice & Sky,
I thought I saw a black desktop in a video during the walk thru of the home, just wasn’t sure. I think that perhaps there is a lot that LE might have already learned from the computer usage, and they just haven’t let the public in on it. Which of course they should keep it under wraps.
Just want to know who came up with the phone tapping idea. Surely LE didn’t tell them they were tapped, if they suspected them. What would be the point?
Perhaps it’s just the mentality of some people.
M Silk,
Right, I would demand it myself before LE even got around to thinking about doing it.
Poll: Just for fun:
To people who post here regularly, what is:
Your Age:
Your Gender:
Your Religious Affiliation:
Just curious.
Justice:
You can find alot of Nancy Grace interviewing Ronald Cummings, and, also Geraldo, and others by Googling Videos: Nancy Grace interviews with Ronald Cummings
Ann: We all get frustrated, but the name calling just results in no one listening to you. I hope you can stay cool and stick around.
I have heard the saying before that if there are two explanations for the same event, the simplest one is the right one. Or something like that, lol.
My first instinct on this one was a SO abduction. But there are so many comments from Ron that suggest the drug retaliation.
First, when he is on his knees crying he says ‘its not like taking a bike or something, this is my child’
Second, on the 911 call his first instinct is that she ‘got stole’, which I find a little odd for him to have jumped so quickly to that scenario so soon after arriving home.
Then there is the time he mentions that this may have been in retaliation for past wrongs, or something like that.
All these statements suggest to me that he may have been aware of someone coming after him, but not that they would take Haleigh. Maybe, if this was drug related, (maybe he is an informer and robbed a crack dealer thinking he was above the law?? I could see him thinking he is sooooo smart and he never seems to get charged for anything he gets arrested for) the drug dealer could have targeted Haleigh not to have Haleigh, but because they knew how much she meant to Ron.
Just my humble opinion, one thing I have found in life is that truth is stranger than fiction. Humanity can be a sick place, what happened may be completely off of all our radars, le included.
mariesilk, I have never heard that before, “truth is stranger than fiction” but sometimes it is. I hope & pray in this case the truth comes out. This is so sad.
3 myspace sites of Brandy’s ex bf,(19 Pomona,name on one of Brandy’s)Melinda and Brandy are on friends list with her two sisters.The one last logged into 1/13,interesting.
It’s just odd that Melinda would tell why they were there at the apts,hello,makes no sense.Unless it was someone else who mentioned that to LE.
Brandy has three sites,also,18 Crescent City.Was throwing this out there for someone else.
Ann, you should know about drugs because surely your doctor has you on meds to control your angry outbursts.
You seem normal for a while, then lash out at other posters. You have fits of rage.
Because you have a Jeckyl/Hyde personality, I would not trust you to be alone with children. I would be afraid that you would angrily tell them they’re stupid and use other words to degrade them.
If you knew Haleigh, you would even yell at her for who knows what reason.
You like to keep people walking on eggshells around you, don’t you?
Mariesilk…Exactly what I’m saying. Glad someone sees what I’m saying that drug deal gone wrong CAN result in his child being taken.
Sorry if I offended you or anyone else. Just don’t have patience for closed minded or ignorant people.
Check records at the beginning of year.
Justice:
You can find alot of videos on the Cummings’ case by Googling You Tube: videos of Nancy Grace interviews with Ronald Cummings
CareBear: 2 wrongs don’t make a right. You have no basis to say those things about anybody. I don’t get these types of personal attacks here, this is not the place.
I have not seen the following before. Note the comments made by Ronald Cummings (if this is true).
http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=The-Haleigh-case-heats-up-1065.html&Itemid=60
Crime Searchers Online 9-7-09
“The Haleigh Case Heats Up”
MarieSilk
The simplest explanation is usually the right one.
Occam’s Razor
Quote “Griffith said at first police were told the three were at the complex so that one could visit a friend. He said police later learned the trip had been about purchasing drugs. Griffith said police did not know what type of drugs they were trying to buy.”
snipped from article:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20091020/ARTICLES/910209893/-1/entertainment?Title=Misty-Croslin-robbed-while-trying-to-buy-drugs-police-say-
few more details
Thanks skywise, I knew it was more simple than what I had there, lol.
I think pretty much everyone here has considered it could have been a drug deal gone wrong. I think some have just moved on to other possibilities.
One of the reason I shifted was because I could not see someone (drug dealer) being saddled-down all this time with a sickly child.
I know, I know… “pervs” do it all the time!!
CareBear: I can tell you are a compassionate person….LOL
You know absolutely nothing about me…
But let me guess…You’re a mormon, or claim to be ‘christian’ and go to church every sunday…you’re female…probably a little over weight and have a dufus boyfriend. Just to mention a few attributes….
Justice:
There are some real good videos you can Google under Geraldo’s videos of Crystal Sheffield
I am lost what does Occam’s Razor mean?
marie,
I have every basis to say what I’ve said about the poster who calls him or herself Ann.
Expressing my views is not wrong, but berating people who disagree with what I say by calling them ‘stupid’ ‘ignorant’ or worse wold be.
Defending Ann would be a second wrong; I won’t do that, but you just did.
To Karon Cox:
Thank you for the info. Some on this site are wondering if Ron and Misty had a computer. I think when the lady from the Nancy Grace Show did the walk thru, with Teresa Neves, of Ron’s home, there was a computer in the home.
If you know where the video of the walk thru is, could you please post the link? I think some on this site would be interested.
Thanks, Karon!
Treece –
I found you an informative link for Occam’s Razor 🙂
http://people.howstuffworks.com/occams-razor.htm
CareBare: No one called you stupid or ignorant…did I mention, you are probably sexually frustrated as well?
Justice & Karon,
It was me wondering about it… I looked last night, the clip I saw was cut short from what I remember being on TV.
Please don’t trouble yourselves, it was just a thought:-D… Thank You, Cent
You’re right, Ann, I go to church on Sunday, and am Christian.
Sadly, you try to berate everybody.
I would not allow you to be alone with children.
You’re an evil, person, Ann. Very evil. You may even be a pedophile.
CareBear,
Just turn the other cheek,it’s probably Harry trying to get a rise out of you. 😉
Justice:
There are alot of Cummings videos under
The Crime Examiner: videos of Ronald Cummings
Cent –
Last time I checked, Satsuma & Crescent City had a crap internet service provider and I’d be surprised if Ronald’s computer (if he had one) was even hooked up to the internet.
CareBear, I think Mariesilk was just trying to be a peace maker and tell you 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Don’t lower yourself to Ann’s level. Earlier a few said they were just choosing not to read Ann’s post. You may want to do the same, then her rudeness won’t bother you. It’s just a game to her anyway don’t play it with her.
CareBear: Why do you go to church? What do you learn there?
In my experience, people who claim to be ‘Christian’ are the biggest hypocrites, the most judgemental, the most IGNORANT, the biggest LIARs I have ever met in my life.
So CareBear…what does being a ‘Christian’ mean to you?
WinterRose,
Yes, it could be. I just won’t let a person get away with bullying others in ‘real life’ (:,
and it carries over to the blogosphere!
Okay, I’m going to say this because this is BS and has gotten way out of hand.
Just because someone doesn’t jump on the bandwagon of a drug theory doesn’t make them naive,clueless,dense,stupid,ignorant or even closed minded.
No one here has the facts of what has happened because LE are very tight lipped. So everything we are putting on these blogs are only theories/speculations.
We have the right to voice our opinions on these blogs. We have a right to agree to disagree on this blog. What we are not allowed to do is call names and bash each other.
This really needs to stop.
I for one refuse to throw anyone under the bus just yet because there is no proof that Ron,Misty,Crystal,Druggies,SO’s or anyone else for that matter has done anything. The only thing we do know for a fact is Haleigh is missing.
Hell for all we know, the block was holding the door open all this time and Haleigh did go out that door and wondered off and some sicko picked her up, did their thing and got rid of her.
NONE OF US KNOW!!!
Sky,
Ohh, didn’t know about the srevice out there, I am in Cali. I know it’s been stated by some that members of the families, routinely surf the web to see what’s being said about them.
Well I don’t really have a “theory”, I just believe a witness & speculate on the details (using Occam’s Razor) ~wink~
cent, okay…..
I won’t look for it anymore. I think the computer was in the bedroom where Ron, Misty and the kids slept. I ran across a picture showing the beds on the floor and there is a dining room chair pulled out (perhaps from a desk).
PAW,
*******cheers******
Ann,
Christianity is my religious faith. I believe the word of Jesus Christ is the truth, the light, and the way.
But, this blog is for dialog, discussion about the Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony cases.
Please show respect for people who post here by not hurling insults when you feel impatient.
I don’t know if Ron had a computer but I am pretty sure they didn’t have internet because Misty had said she got to go out & look at what people were saying about her when she went on her 1st Orlando trip.
Treece: Not a game…I actually believe what I have stated here about the Haleigh Cummings case. I also believe what I have stated about CareBear…and others. Guessing she/he is a frustrated ‘Christian’, probably overweight, sexually frustrated, dorky boyfriend/girlfriend, dumb job and nothing better to do with their time than bash people who have real theories about what maybe happened to Haleigh because they have never lived in the real world and cannot comprehend that yes, there are people who do drugs and yes there are people who fuck people over for drugs and therefore have people who are pissed off at them enough to take their children in exchange for drug deabts.
Justice,
*****Thanks For Caring******
Cent –
Maybe they bought a few with donations…lol
I think you’re right about them surfing. I just don’t see any of them as being anything but newbies tho, do you? Usually you can find traces of SOME kind on somebody who uses the internet regularly, but all we really dig up on any of these people are criminal backgrounds & myspace pages.
Good point, Treece, I think you’re right. Peace out everyone, and remember to be kind!
Thanks treece, I am only trying to make peace. The war of names here is making both parties look very bad and is not helping anyone get their thoughts across.
How can you say such spiteful things to people you have never met? Lets try to exercise some diplomacy. The tiny bits of evidence we do know for a fact could point in a myriad of directions, none of which are wrong or right.
I was watching American Justice today and the story was about a woman they believed had killed her own children and staged a break in. the detective they interviewed said something that caught my attention and made me think of this case. When they noticed that the point of entry was staged he said:
“At that point we had to have two separate investigations. One to look at possible home invasion and another to look at the possibility that someone in the home committed the crime.”
Just a little insight into le procedure, I hope that PSCO was smart enough to follow suit.
Sky,
I view the Internet and their usage as a drive thru.. post and get what you want in a hurry.
Not to get off or continue the subject, but I noticed a really nice flat screen TV in the house. I think that Ron is up on the latest gadgets. *****smiling*****
lol…Well, I can certainly appreciate gadgets. In Ronald’s case, I would recommend a security system.
Ann,
I need to get back to an assignment I’m working on in one of my college classes, but don’t feel it is right to leave you believing that you’ve correctly profiled me, because you haven’t.
You are way off, but I won’t call you ‘stupid’, I promise.
Mariesilk, I agree, this verbal knife fighting is going no place.
That is interesting about the show you watched today. I too hope LE has looked in all directions and are investigating from both sides.
I am so afraid we will never know and this will be an unsolved case. I can’t imagine having a child taken, my heart aches for the innocent ones in this case. But I think the worst to live with even worse then finding my child dead would be never finding them and always wondering what they were going through. We don’t know if any of the family is involved, they may all be innocent. We do know some of them are innocent and going through the loss, the fear and all the public accusations.
For a very brief preview of The Maury Povich Show for this Thursday, 10-22-09, here is the Link: (At the bottom of the small video screen on the far left, click on the fourth picture. This is a preview of Thursday’s show. Ron is towards the end of the clip.)
http://www.mauryshow.com/index.php?cat=0&cid=1167426 The Maury Povich Show
CareBear…please do get back to your Christian assignment. And please let me know when you get back what you have learned in your ‘Christian’ training.
hollysgmom, are you ok? I’ve missed you. We haven’t been on at the same time for awhile. Treece
***Bad Sky, very bad*** a smiling cent
That is actually a good place (theory) to go… nice gadgets, people know, why not try to break in and get the goods. He strikes me as a guy that likes to brag about his stuff.
Not callin the man a theif, but I wonder if those gadgets were purchased.. from a store, that is?
cent (11:17 p.m.)
~~~~~~~You welcome!~~~~~~~
If I run across the full video of the walk-thru, with Teresa Neves, (one of these days) I will post it on the current thread by Simon.
Ann couldn’t profile a shoplifter with a duffel bag.
Ann, you said…
“yes there are people who fuck people over for drugs and therefore have people who are pissed off at them enough to take their children in exchange for drug deabts”
——————————————
And you got the balls to call other people ignorant?
That knob goes up to 11 on the far-fetched scale.
I check the box that says “spiritual but not religious” yet I don’t feel the need to pick on others who follow ANY religion.
I tell you who I feel sorry for, whatever guy you’ve chained to your hip that has to listen to you BITCH all the time.
The only reason I’m even addressing you is because I pity the guy so much I thought I’d give him another 2 minutes of peace.
Justice,
Okie Dokie…
I don’t know why, but I’m feeling a bit giddy tonight.
I sincerely do thank you for your attention to this case.
Actually, I thank everyone here for wanting to know the truth to this un-godly situation.
Lets, just carry on.
If we all just join in, it will never stop.
You’re right mariesilk…will ignore from now on.
I think we’re about due for a new thread anyway.
Simon & Jan will probably start one about the arrest. If everybody just ignores her, she’ll get bored & go away.
I knew better.
correction….not arrest…robbery
Cent- I don’t know if someone has already posted this but IIRC your were asking whether Ron and Misty had a computer. On the tour Nancy Grace show did of the mobile home on March 6, in video 3 of 5, there is a desk top computer in the bedroom across from the bed. Here is a link from YouTube. (if it comes through
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=34AQq9wqMM8&feature=related)
Never had a problem just go away when it was ignored, but who knows – maybe it’s worth a try.
Someone mentioned a desk chair pulled out in the bedroom…bingo! That’s where the computer is one side of the door is computer desk the other side is a smaller (than in the livingroom) flatscreen on top of a dresser.
I think most younger people are at least somewhat into computers, they have been using them even in the primary grades for a while now and you can get a pretty nice set up for a couple hundred bucks these days. My guess is Ron was able to aquire a few nice electronics while living with his mom.
**Kat… thanks for confirming**
This is for anyone… Did I not read somewhere that Ron was not raised by his mom?
I don’t where that came from, but I thought Crystal and Ronnie lived under her roof together.
treece-
HollysGmom has been pretty busy putting links on the sticky she put together on the Haleigh thread over on the forum.
Very nice work HollysGmom! I have been fiddling with them some….checking out the arrests….that could keep one busy for hours!
I put a link to a PDF of the original incident report. I would be glad to post more but I want to be sure I did it how she wanted, waiting to hear back.
I also tried to embed some videos but didn’t have any luck. PM’d Jan on that. I did put a link to the video of the October 2nd update on the case by Lieutenant Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office on the general discussion thread for anyone who is interested. 🙂
katfish, thank you, I can’t find where she is posting anything. Where is it at?
Justice:
I am having trouble finding the NG walk-thru, but I will keep looking. Is there anything else I can help you find?
at the top of this page in the middle of the page is a link to the bnn forum. here is a link to the Haleigh Forum:
http://z3.invisionfree.com/Blogger_News/index.php?showforum=6
she has been posting links to the stickies actual&factual thread.
Karon and Justice- I put a link to the Nancy Grace walk-thru at 11:56 pm. The link is to video 3 of 5 on YouTube but the rest are right there as well. I hope we will be able to post videos over on the forum, I sent Jan a pm and asked about it today. Hope that helps! 🙂
Sky…that’s OK…you and others on this site are a little…slooowww….that’s OK.
messaage at 12:55 was directed at you Treece. sorry, did you find it?
Where is the forum?
hmmm try this link for the Nancy Grace tour. If this link doesn’t work just go to YouTube and search Nancy Grace March 6. There are 5 videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cilsw3ukT_w
treece,
Either click on the link I inserted into my 12:55am post or go to the top of this page…there is a row of orange “buttons”. The forums button is in between BNN Radio and Posting Guidelines. After you follow that link click the forum link in the last paragraph. That will take you to the BNN Forum. From there select Haleigh Cummings. I put the link in the 12:55 post because I read where you said you have limited internet access. That will get you there in one step. 🙂
katfish, thank you for the help. It lets me get through but then says this menu is disabled. It is probably my connection but I so appreciate you telling me.
treece, awww…Did you try the link at the top of the page too?
The teenager who was caring for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings the night she disappeared from her Satsuma mobile home was robbed this week while trying to buy drugs in Palatka, police reported Tuesday.
Misty Cummings, 17, of Satasuma, suffered minor injuries when someone grabbed her purse in a parking lot at a public housing complex Monday night, said Palatka Assistant Police Chief James Griffith.
Cummings was sitting in a car in the complex parking lot when a man grabbed her purse and dragged her outside, Griffith said.
She was with two other young women, and one of them also had her purse snatched, according to a police report.
Cummings was watching Haleigh Cummings, her boyfriend’s daughter, in February the night the Satsuma child disappeared. Misty later married Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, but they have since divorced.
On Monday night, Cummings and two friends had gone to Palatka’s Ragsdale Apartment, looking for drugs, Griffith said. The women had given a man some money for drugs then he disappeared, Griffith said.
One of the women had grown impatient, gotten out of the car and was trying to track him down when two or three men grabbed her purse and the one belonging to Cummings, Griffith said.
He said authorities were looking for the suspects.
(Orlando Sentinel)
will leave you now all to your ‘christian’ forum. think happy thoughts…I’m sure Haleigh is in a happy space somewhere…in your minds…there is help for alzheimers…hope your families will help you…
Yes, I did I am sure it is just this system. We don’t have real internet. We use an air card. It works real well in town but out here it is slower than dial up and won’t open large files etc. But I can go there when I am in town etc.
I appreciate you telling me how.
Treece, I just got a pm from HollysGmom that she sent at midnight. I pm’d her back and told her you weren’t able to get there but were looking for her. She was posting links until 2:40 am lastnight so maybe she will show up tonight. 🙂 Do check out the forum when you get in town. It is nice, but under used IMO!
my post at 1:33 was for Katfish
I checked the forum out earlier, great job.
Katfish:
Thanks for the link.
Treece, yes I got the message. I’m sure you’re glad to at least have that air card if you are in a remote area.
Do check out the forum when you get a chance. HollysGMom put some great links to help with researching FACTS. It will be very handy once people get used to posting links when they come across them.
I think I’ll call it a night. TTYL
Take care!
katfish, thanks again, I think I’ll go to bed, too. Sweet Dreams. Treece
Karon, YW! LOL The one I posted for cent didn’t work when I went back and tried it…grrr. It will be very nice if we are able to post the actual videos on the forum…we’ll see. 😉
Cent, I agree HollysGmom put a lot of work into putting all those links on there. KUDOS to her.
Good night!
cent
i am sorry i got your post called plain stupid. i am the one that quoted misty from two different videos. hmmmm why did fed up think it was you? at any rate, if it was an honest mistake thinking i am you, then i am flattered. my sincere apology to you, ms.peridot
wow, i am glancing through the posts tonight, maybe some ARE trying to get the thread closed. sure seems like it.
ms.peridot,
No biggie… I knew it was your post… just didn’t feel the need to say it. I guess cause I didn’t find it stupid and you were correct… anyway!!!
Hey guys!
I’m here, just later than most, lol! Thanks for the compliments on the links for the forum.
It is exciting to help build this database for us all to use.
I just wanted to say that most if not all of this verbal knife-fighting can be eliminated if we all join the forum. We can, of course, still post here, in the “open” but we can also post and debate “behind closed doors” as it were. Then if & when a person gets out of line like Ann has, we can report them to Jan and they CAN be eliminated. It can not be done here in open forum since all are welcomed, but inside our “doors” is a different story.
ALso I still think it is very important for us to compile this information. I have high hopes that this case WILL come to trial one day (hopefully with an alive Haleigh testafying) and we will need all of this info once she is brought home. Please join and offer a link in Haleigh’s honor. I have started 2 new “stickies”. One is called Actual & Factual. It will only list the VERIFIED documents and statements by all players (LE statements, M’s own words, R’s own words, C’s own words, legal documents, ect
The other will be Media links with breif synopsis of interviews for quick reference.
Also I am planning links for maps, pings (once we get them), rumors, and theories.
Everyone has something to offer, pleae won’t you help?
BTW…Treece, sorry I missed you…I will not be online for a day or so, but I will be back on Thursday.
PS guys, don’t worry about whether or not information or a link is ok or in the right place in the forum. We can always edit and shift things around once we have the links to the info. Thanks again to those of you who have jumped right in!
HollysGmom, Thanks for all the hard work. I’ll o later and check out the forum, it is getting hard to post here when there is so much anger and name calling………when it starts it just snowballs out of control if people don’t ignore. Thats when I just sit back and watch, no sense in trying to post any theories, opinions, or ideas while that is going on.
But I’m just hear as time will allow anyway, I have my 5 month old grandson to take care of.
oops, here not hear.
karon,
aha! thank you for the help. i really appreciate it. (sun)
HollysGmom
wow, i am impressed. thank you
ToughEnough;
Aren’t they great! (Grandkids) I jsut got my 1st a little over 2 yrs ago and she is the apple of my eye! I can’t seem to spend enough time with her, lol! Enjoy! Those first months are sooo sweet!
PALATKA – The teenager who was caring for 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings the night she disappeared from her Satsuma mobile home was robbed this week while trying to buy drugs in Palatka, police reported Tuesday.
Misty Cummings, 17, of Satasuma, suffered minor injuries when someone grabbed her purse in a parking lot at a public housing complex Monday night, said Palatka Assistant Police Chief James Griffith.
Cummings was sitting in a car in the complex parking lot when a man grabbed her purse and dragged her outside, Griffith said.
She was with two other young women, and one of them also had her purse snatched, according to a police report.
Cummings was watching Haleigh Cummings, her boyfriend’s daughter, in February the night the Satsuma child disappeared. Misty later married Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, but they have since divorced.
On Monday night, Cummings and two friends had gone to Palatka’s Ragsdale Apartment, looking for drugs, Griffith said. The women had given a man some money for drugs then he disappeared, Griffith said.
One of the women had grown impatient, gotten out of the car and was trying to track him down when two or three men grabbed her purse and the one belonging to Cummings, Griffith said.
He said authorities were looking for the suspects.
please for the sake of HaLeigh Ann Marie Cummings start looking in other directions.
all LE has done for the last 8 months is fogus on Misty, and Misty alone.
LE has said from the beginning that this was not a stranger abduction.
what i;d like to know is what eveidence at the trailer lead LE to make that statment?
did LE already know that some kind of plan was in place?
why did LE dismiss every registered sex offender with in 72 hours?
why didnt LE act like they we’re the one in charge when it came to certain people not allowing their property being searched?
re: Gary Hodges/or Hedges the ex-marine who meet a certain person at the gate to his residence with a shotgun?
the property is owned by Perry Knight.
did the property ever get searched?
oh and isn’t this ex-marine friends to Johnny Sheffield?
has Johnny Sheffield and his wife moved back to Satsuma?
and last but not least,
what the hell does Misty getting robbed got to do with finding Haleigh?
honestly people it shouldn’t (imo) have a darn thing to do with it.
All this little b/s is doing is taking the eyes and ears of Haleigh.
Here in the last couple months its been about this that or the pther.
for everytime a person takes away that minute or two, it takes the camersa and fogus of this precious angel.
Isn’t this what we are here for?;;;;;;;
HaLeigh Ann Marie Cummings.
imo, the more b/s the media or the so called LE puts out there the less time spent putting our time, theories or ideals together to find this little angel.
imo, this is just what LE want. keep us busy following b/s while they let the perp or perps get further away.
treece said,in October 20th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
perfectly said. thanks
taking notes @ 6:32 am – I know how you feel. I understand. But please don’t worry. I think most of us want LE to look in a lot more directions than just Misty. We’ve been discussing many directions!
And please don’t be upset by the “flash in the pan” 15 seconds of fame kind of ridiculous publicity like the road rage incident or purse snatching incident.
We can’t be blamed for talking about it a little. There can be some relevance to the investigation and some insight into Misty who is closely involved one way or the other.
I think it’s only natural for us to discuss it a bit but I can guarantee you that it does not derail most of us from the real goal – which is to continue to encourage LE to keep looking for Haleigh (and stop waiting on Misty – if that’s what they’re doing).
Hope this helps! 🙂
Karon Cox,
Thank you regarding the walk thru videos. I was trying to find it for “cent”.
To “cent”: Please see previous comments by Karon Cox. I think she found what you are looking for.
Katfish (12:59 a.m.):
I am sorry. The thanks goes to you for posting the links re the walk thrus.
“Cent”, please see comment by Katfish (12:59 a.m.) Sorry about my 8:54 a.m. comment.
Karon Cox…..I still say thank you to you also for trying to find the video for ‘cent’.
Wow, all of these names has me confused!
Be back later …..many errands to run today!
we’ve got a new thread!!
I also posted the link to the YouTube walk-thru videos over on the forum on the stickies thread for Haleigh if someone wants to reference it later without digging.
Justice…LOL….I come confused….all the names just further the cause…LOL!
katfish,
I am glad I am not the only one! I thought I was the only one in a state of confusion at times……LOL!
Taking notes;
The reason it seemed pertinent to OUR discussion was due to the fact that several of us had been debating whether or not ANYONE could prove that Misty, Ron, WBG, Chad Elliott and other had possesion of or perscriptions for the particular drug that was found at the scene of the “robbery”. Just because someone posts about Misty’s or Ron’s wreckless lives doesn’t mean we are taking our eyes off of Haleigh. It usually means someone thinks they have found a link in the chain to finding Haleigh and bringing her home. It may SEEMS like there is nothing in common, but in reality there is.
Why aren’t the authorities looking more at Ron ? (Have you seen his sister and boyfriend ?) He has a record as long as my arm. He certainly isn’t a saint. Isn’t having sex with an underage girlfriend a crime, he likes them young ?
His Mom works as a dsipatcher for the Sherriffs office there. Is there a cover up ?
I have a feeling Ron knows what happened…and may be involved…
When Mistys brother went to the trailer and knocked..was Misty’s vehicle out front ?
Is Misty covering up for Ron ?
Remember when the dogs hit on the dumpster ?
I wonder if her little body had been there, and moved.
Like little Somer Thompson, (found in the garbage)
Did they thoroughly search the landfill ?
Whats with Florida ?
Hey, this time they took Mistys’ purse..last time maybe they took Haleigh ?
Why don’t they put Misty in rehab..
..and…
Why wasn’t Ron arrested for having sex with a minor..Misty.
Where is the Grand Jury ?
If the drugs are in lollipop form, I can see how Haleigh might have grabbed one !
Is that whole town on drugs..they all are illiterate, incoherent, criminals, and druggies. Trailer Trash..
And Liars….
Hoolysmom… I have to respectfully disagree with you…
I really cant see how the hate fest on Misty is helping much…What seems to be happening is that everyone has stopped looking anywhere else…. seesm like a good excuse to say well we know who it is and cant arrest them so I guess we just DO NOTHING……That is exactly what has happened in this case.. The sad thing is becasue of all the poor reporting and shoddy writers spreading unconfirmed garbage, making Misty out to be someone she isnt..
I ask… How is this helping????????
WHERE IS HALEIGH????
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