I don’t think that any discussion is really needed. I am certain that we managed to rile up just about every online group that has been following these cases. The good news in my opinion is that I am pretty sure that I am not going to have to have one of those fireside chats, with LE. That’s a plus!
Both the Haleigh and Caylee cases bother me no end. Two little girls, they were both vibrant and innocent. One is certainly dead, the other seems to have also met the same fate.
The program today was an interesting one. The panel was diverse, and interesting. None of them have ‘taken sides’, all of them distrust everyone involved in both the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony cases.
We here at BNN get bashed a lot, we are biased, we poke fun at other web-sites and some TV stations. Yes we are, yes we do, but our goal is to cover these cases as accurately as we can. No BOMBSHELL’s or EXCLUSIVE’s we just plug away. Most of the BOMBSHELL’s and EXCLUSIVE’s reported on other sites are anything but!
Today’s panel was one of the most powerful I have encountered, and more than qualified to talk about these two cases than I could wish for.
It was 90 minutes of information. I have no doubt that some might not agree, my advice to you that do not agree with our experts, is go find a web site or cable channel that fits your needs.
If you missed the program the recording is here.
I will have more on this program, but wanted to get the link to the audio as a priority.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackBest show ever. I had heard already about Nancy Grace giving Ron her cell number, but that confirmed it and all my other suspicions about Ron and his involvement. Ron’s lack of emotion while talking about HaLeigh and the river/gators was a shock to me even though I’ve always been very suspicious of Ron, that was a clincher-he knew she was dead from the scripted 911 call.
What is the name of the gentleman that gave the “Statement Analysis”?
Thanks.
SiestaKey said,in April 25th, 2010 at 8:44 pm What is the name of the gentleman that gave the “Statement Analysis”?
Thanks.
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Peter Hyatt
Very good show. This pretty much hits it on what I have felt almost from the begining.My son’s opinion [a police officer] has thought this since the 1st Today int. He never assumes someone is guilty on other people’s words.He has helped clear some because he knew something didn’t add up,No,he doesn’t in Fl.
Sorry. Doesn’t work in Fl.
Some analysis of both cases on Peter Hyatt’s blog:
http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
Its mostly CA but he has said he plans on doing more analysis on Haleigh’s case, as well.
There’s quite an interesting analysis of the grandmother in TN.
Simon & Jan;
I just wanted to say that I think this show was the best yet! If not the absolute best, it would def be high up on the list!
Absolute fantastic information & exchange. I have to say much of what Peter has shared, has also been factors in my own interpretation of what the truth about Haleigh really is. I knowwhat Peter has been sharing is accurate and valid. Peter, thank you for your participation and insights!
Cobra; You are da bomb! Thank you ever so much for taking those risk for Haleigh. Thank you for the recordings and personal insights into Ronald and other “players”. I whole-heartedly want to thank you for revealing the NG info (speed dial) and for the wors Misty used when speaking with Ron about calling off the Re-enactment. It is more than obvious that Ronald was involved in Haleigh’s disappearance/murder. Within days of her gone missing he has already reconsiled himself to that fact that she 1) Was taken away by someone & 2) that she is obviously dead/murdered. He is saying so openly, without emotion, within a few short weeks? J J Johnson’s daughter was taken by a person KNOWN to have murdered her mother right in front of the child and STILL he persisted in the hope that she was still alive LONGER then Ron did. Speaks VOLUMES to me….
I am one of those that have been ask to leave this forum based on the originating post, as I am not a sheep that follows blindly. And I thought the radio broadcast, for the most part an immature attempt at journalism.
1)FACT Your “expert” Peter Hyatt aka Simeous O’Riley or what ever his name is…. has absolutely no credentials, nada.
2)FACT I (altho not from the south, however that is a known colloquium in that part of the country) do and often refer to my daughter, exactly as that “my daughter”. I have NEVER abused my child in any manner. I find it an insult to insinuate, or actually flat out say, to do so makes you a molester or removed emotionally from your child.
3)FACT People gain weight in jail…. especially if they have been in PC for 3 months.. try sitting in your bedroom for that same period of time, eating starchy foods and let me know if you stay at the same weight. The weight gain certainly does NOT prove you are “mean” rather you are enclosed with no movement and a diet not conducive weight loose… (and this is rocket science??)And I am in no way a RC fan!! Exactly the opposite.
4)FACT Oxy addicts are “really easy going free loving people and so peaceful…… and they gain weight” Now this bulls*it statement is beyond appalling to me… and yes I do have a degree in addiction, actually a masters.. Look up one bit of info on the subject please… even a pretend doctor please check out reality. Oxycontin addicts go from extreme highs to extreme lows, Oxycontin, correct me if I am wrong specifically Oxycodone (that was the drug of choice by the Croslins) is harder to “mainline” most addicts will go to Oxycontin, as it is synthetic heroin. Most long time users are rail thin, puke a lot during the day, don’t eat, as their usage makes them sick constantly….. normally smoke (again oxy)… which is very expensive.. hard core opiate abusers turn to heroin, as they can’t afford Oxycontin which goes for 1 dollar per gram, so yes an 80 mg pill is $80!! A hard core addict will go thru 6 to 10 pills a day.
Great panel…. Wow…. Incredulous is the only word that comes to my mind. And I truly hope others will check out a few of the facts..
Is there a tape floating around of Misty stating to Ron, on speaker phone, ‘they are on to us’?
If not, why not?
If it exists, it’s a game changer.
JNEt;
Your facts just are not the FACTS…
Peter does have creditials…Simon has given them, multiple times.
Not everyone who says “my daughter” instead of a name is a molester. Peter did not imply that. He is talking about a MURDERED child! Now, if your child had been murdered and you refer to her as “My daughter” instead of her name, one could draw that same conclusion. Sorry, but it’s true. How people speak does give insight into their secrets.
People do gain weight in jail, especially when they are poking everything they can get their hands on into that deep dark dank hole in their souls they used to fill with drugs. Now it’s food (cause they can’t get anything else; Lock-down. Gen pop there’s drugs a pleanty…lol) Added to the lack of physical activity and no longer using drugs, he’s gained a considerable amount of weight in a relatively short time.
Sorry, you’re wrong Oxycodone was NOT the Croslin & Ron’s favorite it was OXYCONTIN…we’ve all been discussing it, excchanging encyclopedia articles, drug addicts message board examples and much much more for 14 months now. They used the main-line drug OXYCONTIN. Now HYDROCODONE does play it’s part as it was one of the drugs they SOLD to support their OXYCONTIN habits. They didn’t use the HYDROCODONE as much and the OXYCONTIN.
Drug addicts ARE very compliant & passive when high…I would think with your degree, you would have known that. Peter DID NOT say addicts GAIN weight…he said they will chronically be UNDER WEIGHT due to not eating, especially heavy or main-line users…DID we listen to the same show?
It’s one thing to critic the show, it’s another thing entirely to mis-represent the content of the show, in part or in full.
Ohh watch out! The RONETTES are fighting mad and out for BLOOD…guess what…so are the Haleighettes….
Hollys Gmom said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:42 pm JNEt;
Your facts just are not the FACTS…
Peter does have creditials…Simon has given them, multiple times.
Not everyone who says “my daughter” instead of a name is a molester. Peter did not imply that. He is talking about a MURDERED child! Now, if your child had been murdered and you refer to her as “My daughter” instead of her name, one could draw that same conclusion. Sorry, but it’s true. How people speak does give insight into their secrets.
People do gain weight in jail, especially when they are poking everything they can get their hands on into that deep dark dank hole in their souls they used to fill with drugs. Now it’s food (cause they can’t get anything else; Lock-down. Gen pop there’s drugs a pleanty…lol) Added to the lack of physical activity and no longer using drugs, he’s gained a considerable amount of weight in a relatively short time.
Sorry, you’re wrong Oxycodone was NOT the Croslin & Ron’s favorite it was OXYCONTIN…we’ve all been discussing it, excchanging encyclopedia articles, drug addicts message board examples and much much more for 14 months now. They used the main-line drug OXYCONTIN. Now HYDROCODONE does play it’s part as it was one of the drugs they SOLD to support their OXYCONTIN habits. They didn’t use the HYDROCODONE as much and the OXYCONTIN.
Drug addicts ARE very compliant & passive when high…I would think with your degree, you would have known that. Peter DID NOT say addicts GAIN weight…he said they will chronically be UNDER WEIGHT due to not eating, especially heavy or main-line users…DID we listen to the same show?
It’s one thing to critic the show, it’s another thing entirely to mis-represent the content of the show, in part or in full.
Ohh watch out! The RONETTES are fighting mad and out for BLOOD…guess what…so are the Haleighettes….
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Huge thank you HGM! Excellent post!!! Couldn’t have stated it any better. You go girl:)
Random Thoughts said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:36 pm Is there a tape floating around of Misty stating to Ron, on speaker phone, ‘they are on to us’?
If not, why not?
If it exists, it’s a game changer.
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I can’t recall if that was on an audio tape of not, but I do remember Cobra stating he shared everything with LE and he often wore a wire, in fact I am sure he said he had a wire on when the call was going on with Nancy Grace and Ron, I’ll have to go back and listen to see if this was one of the audios that TJ heard or not. Maybe someone else remembers
First of all give me one web site….. just one… with Peter Wyatt’s credentials. Is that really too much to ask for?? Obviously I am a really bad person to ask for something so basic.
I will not even begin to debate Oxy addiction with you….. if you want to believe abusers are complacent, that is absolutely your right and decision to do so..obviously based on no actual knowledge.. I have yet to find anywhere that the Croslin/Cumming drug trade was in anything other hydrocodone or speaking of roxies….. seriously doubt they were in the league or had the monies to deal with the big boys in heroin/Oxycontin.
PS I did have a child die….. from cancer and to this day I refer to her as my daughter… how dare you? and does that work into your innuendo “secrets”?
ps I have no idea of what the ronettes vs and I will not quote you bacause I think what you said is and was beyond insensitive… So call me ignorant again, I don’t have a clue of what your “ohh watch out” meant. And quite frankly, I hope I never understand your line of thinking.
You know what…… I have a career where I see children mistreated, beaten, lost, you name it.. and also having a child die, this story, as others, touched my soul. However, my time is best spent as it normally is, trying to help addicts become functional and better parents, and being there for the little ones, whose lives are so screwed up by drug abuse of those that should be giving those precious babies security and love….
I apologize for any that I may have offended by my comments…. I am a novice and thought that was what blogs were for.. my best to all of you. Whether we agreed or disagreed. May HaLeigh’s soul find peace.
Fantastic Peter! Thank you for teaching us. We are all lost in a sea of LIES!! Nothing but LIES. Thanks for helping us try to make some sense of it all. Two little girls are gone … too soon.
Grandma Flo is in the hospital?
Again. I pray they bring the ones justice. And they will but their big justice will come from Almighty God thank God we know where that sweet baby is. My prayer s to the family
So we are still pondering the legitimacy of peters hyatt’s credentials?
I can’t hear the show due to my bb’s limitations.
Is he legit? Not his theories, but his credentials to offer up more than a laymans or hardcore crime junkies(good people:)) opinion based on ones own research on such matters?
He may right by accident, he may be right by research or he may be right based on education and experience dealing with cases and it has been proved that he’s on the money 99% of the time.
Which is it?
Jnet – you likely would be ahead of the game if you had the gentleman’s name correct. There was no one on the program by the name of Wyatt! There is an old theory, measure twice, cut once. In your case I will change it to listen twice, talk once. His name is Peter Hyatt. I do hope this clears up any problems with your hearing!
My “watch-out” comment about the Ronettes is due to the “fall-out” this show will bring because it puts ROnald Cummings in a “bad light”. ANYONE who follows this case, especially since the beginning, should understand what I was referring to. In other words “THE board will be lit up tonight!”
As per the drug addict info I have, it’s from being raised by one, a whole family of about 50 addicts whom I do not associate with even though we all live in the same small town. My own father died on the stem of a crack pipe. I KNOW Drug addicts, inside & out. They are happy, fun-loving people when they have their “fix” but are hostile & irrate when searching for one. I have one cousin who lives so close that only a fence seperates my yard from hers. She is and has been for years a severe drug addict. For a little while she tried to “clean-up” but had resumed her drug use. I was recently told by someone known to us both that she will literally rip open a morphine pain patch and LICK the sticky off it to get high. She has 2 small children in the home as well. Sometimes life experience offers one a world full of education.
When it comes to discussing Oxycontin, oxycodone, LoriTabs, percocets, or hydrocodone, they were all and are, usually fair game for those that use them to get high. Normally oxycodone is their real prize as Oxycontin is too expensive.
JNet is correct when discussing behavioral patterns when on these drugs. It is just a matter of time, when one abuses these drugs, before they are dancin’ with the devil. If you smoke or crush and snort them,(oxycontin or oxycodone)it’s a one way street you go down. Turning around, will be the hardest thing you have ever done.
Hi, just one!
Cobra did say he was wearing a wire, when Misty called and she was on speaker phone. He also said Art Harris was sitting right there.
I have to question why it’s not circulating along with these other tapes, you know?
I would like to see Nancy Grace play that one over and over and over.
Simon? Cobra? Can that be uploaded? Please.
JNet said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:21 pm I am one of those that have been ask to leave this forum based on the originating post, as I am not a sheep that follows blindly. And I thought the radio broadcast, for the most part an immature attempt at journalism.
1)FACT Your “expert” Peter Hyatt aka Simeous O’Riley or what ever his name is…. has absolutely no credentials, nada.
2)FACT I (altho not from the south, however that is a known colloquium in that part of the country) do and often refer to my daughter, exactly as that “my daughter”. I have NEVER abused my child in any manner. I find it an insult to insinuate, or actually flat out say, to do so makes you a molester or removed emotionally from your child.
3)FACT People gain weight in jail…. especially if they have been in PC for 3 months.. try sitting in your bedroom for that same period of time, eating starchy foods and let me know if you stay at the same weight. The weight gain certainly does NOT prove you are “mean” rather you are enclosed with no movement and a diet not conducive weight loose… (and this is rocket science??)And I am in no way a RC fan!! Exactly the opposite.
4)FACT Oxy addicts are “really easy going free loving people and so peaceful…… and they gain weight” Now this bulls*it statement is beyond appalling to me… and yes I do have a degree in addiction, actually a masters.. Look up one bit of info on the subject please… even a pretend doctor please check out reality. Oxycontin addicts go from extreme highs to extreme lows, Oxycontin, correct me if I am wrong specifically Oxycodone (that was the drug of choice by the Croslins) is harder to “mainline” most addicts will go to Oxycontin, as it is synthetic heroin. Most long time users are rail thin, puke a lot during the day, don’t eat, as their usage makes them sick constantly….. normally smoke (again oxy)… which is very expensive.. hard core opiate abusers turn to heroin, as they can’t afford Oxycontin which goes for 1 dollar per gram, so yes an 80 mg pill is $80!! A hard core addict will go thru 6 to 10 pills a day.
Great panel…. Wow…. Incredulous is the only word that comes to my mind. And I truly hope others will check out a few of the facts..
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CLAP CLAP CLAP
STANDING OVATION
Couldn’t have said it better.
I refer to my kids as ‘my son or my daughter’.
Peter admits to following the Casey Anthony
case and obviously has observed her gaining weight also and not due to absence of oxys.
Wow, a typo garners that type of response. Talk about cranky…hehehehehe
Seriously, if anyone has thoughts that aren’t the “norm” or you don’t like or agree with them, move on to the next salient point you like, agree or at least respect. Seems like a waste of time to try and “win” an argument on the net to the point it bothers you. Keep the discussion civil without name calling and disparaging others and I for one will keep reading all sides of the matter. EVERYONE keep on doing what you are doing. The discussion is very interesting to me.
Of course, discourse is more fun for people to watch, let’s be honest.:) TMZ ain’t popular for no reason.
Jaba
-listening once, twice, three times a lady…ooops, went off in song.:)
Simon, If you read any of my other posts, I would hope you knew I was speaking with tongue in cheek.. Yes I am aware of several of the names he uses, as well as those of his blog, thank you so much for pointing the obvious out to me.
Again, best of luck to you and your bloggers. I choose to take the high road. And bloody well I should, so they say.
HG, you are the one who is mistaken. Oxycodones or roxies are their drug of choice. Oxycontin is a stronger (usually) dose of oxycodone intended for extended release. Oxycodone alone or as part of other drugs is taken more often than Oxycontin is meant to be. They are the same thing though there are meds that contain oxycodone and other ingredients.
The drugs Donna got from Va were Oxycodones I believe and what Tommy got were “roxies” a form of oxycodone under a different name. The drugs Hank Sr accused him of stealing and the ones at the bus stop were forms of oxydodone (roxies) not oxycontin (the pure version extended release).
Why use an alias? What’s there to hide?
Every time I heard RC say “my daughter” I questioned his motives. However, the one time that was most telling for me was:
On the jailhouse tape of RC’s phone conversation with TN, she asks him why he is crying. He says, “Because I wish I knew where my daughter was.”
For me that was what told me for certain that he is involved in the cover-up, and in a big way.
Who talks like that to family? I might say it that way to a casual acquaintance, or maybe a co-worker or my boss–people who do not know my child very well. But this was his mother, Haleigh’s grandmother!! so to me the statement sounded like an act for the benefit of the recording.
It would be similar to someone saying to their mother, “I need to leave now, Mom, to take my daughter to her dentist appointment.” People just do not talk like that with family. With family or even with close friends, parents refer to a child by NAME.
I have always believed RC is involved in the cover-up but I still believe that if he is responsible for Haleigh’s demise, it resulted from discipline gone wrong or drugs within her reach; IOW, it was unintentional.
I must admit, however, that the reason I cannot let myself think it was intentional is that I do not want to face the possibility that the last person Haleigh saw as she died was…Daddy.
Why do people have to find another blog to discuss if they disagree with Peter? That sounds like Art Harris and him moderating posts IMO. Why not let it be open and free to debate and not one sided like Art? ~PEACE~
Nasty, foul and abusive posts should not be tolerated, but people discussing and debating in
a civil manner is what makes for great debate.
I only caught about the last 30 minutes of the show today.. I do believe at this point in the game.. there is no point in taking sides.. and no point in protecting anyone.. I think all of us are setting back totally confused as to all the what if’s, and the maybe who’s..
To Random Thoughts, not to my knowledge.. there is no tape like that, in existence.
I did read something today, I know where I read it, but not sure where the poster found it to post..
“It stated that around the 2ish hour on the night Haleigh went missing, there was a 911 call from Tommys house to PCSO, and when 911 answered they hung up…”
Now, if this is true and not just a rumor or thought up.. then it would be the reason the Deputy might have been at Tommys thats listed on the dispatch tape..
Has anyone ever heard about a hangup call that night???
Why are some posts highlighted in brown?
I thought the biggest red flag was the 911 call when Ronald was yelling in the background, i’ll kill whoever took my daughter. There was no cooperating with LE. Someone who was cooperating to me would have called them himself, would be frantically asking for help (not threatening to hang up). It seemed like
he was purposely interrupting the interaction between Misty and the operator. Almost, like he was trying to give her time to think about her answers.
I agree, it’s every other post just for ease in reading.
Just read on another site that Grandma Hollars is in the hospital…possible stroke.
Random Thoughts said,in April 25th, 2010 at 10:39 pm Hi, just one!
Cobra did say he was wearing a wire, when Misty called and she was on speaker phone. He also said Art Harris was sitting right there.
I have to question why it’s not circulating along with these other tapes, you know?
I would like to see Nancy Grace play that one over and over and over.
Simon? Cobra? Can that be uploaded? Please.
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I wouldn’t hold your breath about NG airing them, that would be a cold day in hell that she would air anything that comprimised her budding love affair with Ron.
John and Lucy’s bio-mom needs to step back and reevalute her judgement/lack of when giving Ron her cell # and helping him find a lawyer.
It’s almost pathetic watching NG trying to slant the Cummings case. She has lost all objectivity.
Is it something in the way he says Ms Nancy? Is it all about her fear of having to leave her kids to go to work (just like Ronald)?
By the way I really enjoyed the show tonight. There’s a lot to be said for “statement analysis” but I think he may have placed too much emphasis on the “my daughter” comments. I think when someone is missing for a period of time you would refer to them as “my daughter”. Unless you were specifically talking about or being asked about “Haleigh’.
Simon – I’m dissapointed in your post to JNet.
That’s what Art Harris does that I hate so much and why I turned to your blog. I liked that everybody could just post what they wanted with no filtering from the “moderator”. If somebody writes something AH doesn’t like he berates them and then only comments “thnx” to his pet bloggers who kiss his ass. JNet has the right to his opionion. Alot of people say things on blogs that are their own opionions. His was extremely well articulated. He is in he top 5% of well written bloggers IMO. But it is his opionion. If you don’t like it move on. JNet I’m with you. I’m out of this blog too.
I would like to see NG’s show taken off the air. I realize it is just an entertainment show but many people to not realize this and will believe everything they hear NG or her cronies say. I cannot even imagine why HLN does not make the best of an opportunity to seek the truth and justice–but there is no time for justice when there are ratings to be had!
Sorry, off topic but I have had it with the NG circus.
Darn now I’m mad I missed the show if it was that good. Congrats on a show everyone is praising across the net. Any highlights someone can give me that made the show so great? Thanks friends. Missing everyone here, been off net/in action for a while.
Kool Look…you can listen to the show now, just click on the link in the article above.
The show was so good I am will be listening again. A lot of useful information to be had and I encourage you to listen.
I appreciate everyones opinions, so please, no one leave. This blog is not over moderated. Jan and Simon are good, kind and fair. We all have our moments and deserve some overlooking and mercy. JNet and KK hang around, I agree about your assessment of other blogs being biased and one sided with brown nosers. Give us another chance, we only get testy/ opinionated overly sometimes. Most everyone here wants to get along, promise. KL
TY/hugs Cathargic will do. Nite nite.
Oxycodone = Percocet
Oxycontin is a Chronic Pain medication, the timed release version of Oxycodone, which is a Schedule II Controlled Substance (Opiate). Others that are Schedule II are Morphine, Demerol, Methadone, Dilaudid, etc. Oxycodone is the generic name OxyContin is the brand name for that drug. Oxycodone is sold under various generic and combination brand names – for example, Oxycodone/apap is the same as Percocet.
Because of its time release component and effectiveness of at least 12 hours (the reality is closer to 8-10 for opiate tolerant patients, only 7 for me when I used to take it years ago) it is normally prescribed as a chronic pain medication.
Schedule II narcotics cannot have refills; the prescription cannot be called in by anyone; each prescription refill can only be obtained by getting a new prescription from your doctor each time. This is the biggest difference between Schedule II and Schedule III drugs.
Hydrocodone is a Schedule III controlled substance, and is usually sold under the brand name Vicodin. Schedule III drugs can be refilled a limited number of times, and it can be called in to a pharmacy. The opiate and effectiveness is much lower than it is with Schedule II drugs. Schedule II drugs are either prescribed for short term severe pain, or for people like me who have chronic severe pain lasting years, they are prescribed in quantity and on a regular basis. Vicodin and other S-III drugs are what’s known as Acute Pain drugs, pain that is expected to go away after an injury or operation heals, or pain that isn’t bad enough to require a Schedule II drug
JAC said,in April 26th, 2010 at 12:28 am Oxycodone = Percocet
############################################################ You are correct. Oxycodone is generic for Percocet.
I just wanted to add that I enjoyed the show also.
Nice job to all involved.
Agreed. No one should leave because their opinion is being attacked or being questioned. We all do that in a way when we comment.
I’m not surprised by simons comments. Its the way he feels and we are guests in his house. But, unless he bans you, stick around. We are all concerned about justice for children or adults who have been grossly wronged. We may just not agree on the bezt way to go about it.
If one has nothing to hide, one shouldn’t back away from their opinions or comments as long as they are civil.
UGGGG..OK I’m back Kool Look. I agree this site isn’t over-moderated but when I saw that comment from Simon it gave me flashbacks of AH and I dispise him. Even though I don’t agree I liked reading JNet’s opionion. I still love you Simon.
While I was away I was looking for another blog to date and went to Peter (Seamus’s) WOW – he had a very interting post from an “anonymous” with a very well thought out theory that almost answers every question….here is the string:
Anonymous said…
In my theory-
This is a retaliation abduction and murder by drug thugs. All involved in the cover up, including Ron. Joe is not involved.
What was involved in the coverup? Lots of phonecalls. Tommy, Misty and Timmy and Timmy’s van moving all pot plants to the Mondex, disposing of weapons, drugs and stolen items is my guess. Chelsea and Lindsy to keep their mouths shut, Joe likely passed out at Timmy’s and kept in the dark. Teresa? Maybe. And Misty and Ron, play-acting innocence on the 911 call..although I do believe they really were freaking out about what they knew had happened.
“Operation Streetsweep” has been going on since Haleigh was taken. It is a tri-county operation with Putnam, Flagler and St. John’s. They have been sifting for their perps since day 1. Tommy finally pointed in the right direction.
They all face serious charges, including Ron, for the coverup, and also for serious crime previously, which Tommy fessed up to for a plea deal.
I believe Tommy pointed them to the river to find evidence of the crime they did to cause this retaliation. None of them know where Haleigh’s body is, including LE.
Sunday, 25 April, 2010
Seamus O Riley said…
Anonymous–
this is something that I never gave a thought to AFTER the police said, “Ron is not a suspect” I did no analysis, nor gave it much thought.
His 911 statement “how’d you let my daughter get stole, *?” disavows any stranger abduction but sounds more like a drug retaliation, which fits in why he would threaten to kill the person who had Haleigh.
I’ve not heard of Operation Streetsweep….are you local there?
Can you share more info?
Sunday, 25 April, 2010
Anonymous said…
I will give you the info I dug up..what is your email addy?
Sunday, 25 April, 2010
Anonymous said…
No, not a local..heavens no, and never would dream of a re-location anywhere near there 🙂
I dug around for the past 2 years of reported crimes and drug busts. A definite pattern emerged since Haleigh went missing. An interesting pattern and potential connections.
These drug addled idiots wouldn’t have the luck or the brains to proficiently pull off a cover-up. I think LE knew pretty quickly. The problem is, they weren’t talking, so all LE could do thus far is to give the drug underbelly a good shaking. A Sheriff called it “Operation Streetsweep” in a news article and I believe they have been looking for the right perps for the last year, with no help from these losers. I think Tommy took a plea and is helping point the direction now and LE is scrambling behind the scenes before the rats scurry. Flo will be lookin’ the fool when she finds out that the river search was only “related to the Haleigh case” and for what I believe was an evidence search for related crime Tommy told LE about to help connect their crime to the perps. No bones, no cinder blocks, no yellow rope. All rumor. Flo’s story? ALL BS made up from watching Nancy Grace and Art Harris.
LE led everyone to believe it..but put their foot down when reports of her bones were found started to swirl in the media.. only the thugs who took her would know that. By taking Tommy and Misty to the river, it further mislead the public and the killers. The killers would think Tommy and Misty were lying and taking LE on a goose chase. So, it bought LE time to collect the evidence there, and not have the killers worried and running..since Shell Harbor was not the place of their crime.
Bestest yet, think of Ronald in the family jail meeting pooping his pants because HE knew WHY they were at Shell Harbor, but the rest of the family didn’t. He knew Tommy had ratted them out. Ronald knew what was in Shell Harbor…and it wasn’t Haleigh.
Theories of course, but if I am wrong, I plan to write one hell of a crime fiction novel…kidding 🙂
Sunday, 25 April, 2010
Anonymous said…
Another thing. By saying “Ron is not a suspect” to me means this:
1. Not a suspect for the murder (they knew it was retaliation)
2. Being careful what they say because Ron had a solid alibi and really was at work.
3. Misty has always just been “the key”.
The hushing of his fellow employees should reveal interesting commentary at some point. Who overheard some kind of crisis unfolding at home and what was his demeanor? Panic? How many different people did he call? Did he stay at work for a solid alibi, knowing it was too late to do anything to save her? Was he directing the cover-up with the others over the phone and helped when he got home?
Sorry this is off topic but I felt I needed to say something.
I continue to only hear talk about the negatives of Oxycontin and the addicts who abuse it. It is people like this that have made this life changing/saving medicine nearly impossible to get.
I have suffered with a debilitating disease and Oxycontin has literally saved my life. The life I had to live with in excruciating pain was NO way for anyone to live.
I can’t stand only hearing about people abusing and misusing this miracle drug that has saved my life. It would be nice for people to also talk about how this medicine has changed the lives of Pain Suffers and how this medicine is allowing them to now live a much better quality of life.
Please Drug Addicts, find another drug to abuse or just GROW up. I WANT TO LIVE!
Just read about the possibility of Flo being hospitalized. I hope not. As goofy as she is, I hope she’s ok.
I also hope we see some tapes next week from jailhouse phone calls that tells us something. I have an idea though, that LE is going to be more tight lipped than ever after the latest developments and leaks. Of course, if they a really good LE, they know what they are doing to get to the bottom of this and if they play bloggers and cable news junkies and private eyes and bailbondsmen and the suspects, against each other and the truth comes out. 3 cheers for them.
This was a great show. I enjoyed all of the guests. I plan on listening to it again. Cobra, it is good to have you back. You have so much valuable information for us. Mr. Hyatt, I hope you will consider coming back on this case and many others. Also, I hope you will analyze many other cases on your site. I will be following to see what you have on there in the future. T.J., you are one of my favorites. Simon and Jan, thank you for bringing us a good program. I look forward to it every week.
The sheriff told us after the search that it would probably be about 2 weeks before there were any arrests. I am going to give this some time, before I think all that happened lately was in vain. The fact that LE has gotten quiet, again, is most likely good news. I believe they have a reason to change this case to a homicide investigation.
Hi I think you people dont know half the facts of this case.
Its sad to see written about the father killing this child. The fact that he called her his daughter sure dont make him no killer.
Haleigh was seen that night at 7 pm by her great grandmother after he left for work.
Why dont some of you all do something about missing childern instead of sitting on your computers trying to play like you all know stuff.
Dont care if you like me or not and sure dont care who any of you all are.
Sick of hearing this father being bashed for killing his baby, you are a sick group.
kitty kat @12:54 am:
It’s interesting to see the theory Anonymous has outlined. That theory has been discussed here a few times and possibly those who brought it up still have it on their “theories list.”
Some of us have done some intense listening to the 911 call. There are a number of versions of the call online, but if you can find one in its entirety (unedited by media), you will hear things being said that might lend credence to a theory such as Anonymous describes.
In the full unedited version, Ron can clearly be heard in the background saying in a very agitated voice, “We’re f***ed! I didn’t have nothin’ to do with this!” (That’s from my memory so it may not be verbatim but if not, it is very close.)
I have believed for quite some time that LE knew what happened that night but they just were not sure WHO and WHY.
I hope the answer becomes clear soon and that those involved are held accountable.
Justice for Haleigh!
It was a great program. Thank you so much. All sounded healthy and happy. That’s a good thing!
I loved the show and have been listening to it again. Thanks Simon and Jan it was darn good. Very informing.
I want to give my thanks to Simon and Jan for allowing this space for people to share their opinions. But lately, it’s become a battleground and a verbal war of words for some that clearly think their opinion/theory is the only one that matters and should be given consideration above all others. I have seen it practically every day recently, and some bloggers have become somewhat of a “punching bag” for others. My main concern was for finding information on Haleigh and to hear and see what others were saying. But with the behavior of the host, Simon Barrett, toward Jnet, I like, she has done, will bow out gracefully from this blog. I wish all of you the best. Frankly for a simple typo and a quest for knowledge, this blog has lost a caring, respectful, and knowledgeable person in JNet. It is the blog’s loss. Thank you again for letting me share my thoughts and I will continually pray for Haleigh and her families and hope they find the answers they deserve.
Leaving and making it easier for those your oppose civily only allows one point of view to prevail.
I think those who leave a good discussion and a worthy topic are only punishing themselves and the open discussion of topics.
If we ran every time we encountered resistance we’d be no better than the sheep some don’t want to be.
And to be fair, for the relatively short time I’ve been reading here, simon and company have their Heart in the right place with respect to what is presented, as many here do.
Let’s get a little thicker skin and continue the debate and search for answers and justice.
Sound good?
If you’ve ever run a blog or a discussion forum you understand better how people are on a variety of topics.
Just check some car forums. Even with high end cars that you would think the people that can afford them would have half a brain. They don’t, trust me.
Anyway, having said that, there are times that operators of these free to join groups get frustrated with their participants. I think that was obvious with simons post to jnet. And while I didn’t feel a personal attack or even think it approached being awfully rude, it was a moment I wish hadn’t happened because it causes us to take the focus off of why we care to be here and participate. But, like I said above, we are guests and sometimes the host doesn’t like smoking in the house. Know what I mean?
I will add my goodbyes to the others. I don’t like the rumors and flat out ridiculous accusations allowed on today’s show. To accuse a father of probably molesting his daughter based on the words he uses is beyond anything the awful Art Harris would do. I’m pretty appalled that TJ and Sky News would be associated with this.
I’m sure you’ve noticed some others that have been here a long time that have given up. I’ll join them now.
To JAN – you are a heck of a person. I can’t put into words the admiration I have for you. Keep your heart in the right place because you are a gem.
I think we have to think about how Simon feels when he invites people to be on his program, and people from his blog attack and criticize them. He takes alot of criticism himself, but, I am sure it gets harder for him when he feels his guests are being attacked.
Hi Karon, I agree. I thought the show was great and the panel was well-chosen and the show ran smoothly with everyone on the panel having input. JMO
Karon,
I like your point. Hell, if someone I didn’t really know insulted someone I thought I knew better, I’d be inclined to take their side in any percieved, however minor, attack.
Doesn’t mean I’d do it in all cases but that thought process sounds like basic human nature.
Simon and Jan are the fairest people, I have run across, running a blog. They try their best and I’m sure sometimes it gets to be too much. He didn’t say it in a mean way just a matter of fact way.
It always tickles me when a poster using a different nic comes on and says people should go out and do something to find missing kids instead of posting.Hello,they come on missing kids articles,reads the posts and “posts” that people “posting” shouldn’t “post”.Hello?LOL Pfffttt!!!
Hollysgmom,
If anything family members should learn from this is if there are children in a home with a known addict,kids should be taken out of the home.I hope DCF has been contacted about your relative’s children.
I think Mr. Hyatt is referring to the fact that RC seems to be distancing himself from Haleigh, when he says my daughter, instead of his child’s name. He does this over and over. If he said it part of the time and used her name part of the time, it wouldn’t be as notable.
Misty does the same thing, when she says that little girl. That is really distancing herself from Haleigh.
I don’t think any one of the things Ronald says makes him guilty of anything. I think of it as a series of points or red flags to take note of. When the red flags begin to pile up, we have to begin to take a second look. When people close to the case immediately start talking about the missing person in the past tense, we have to think twice about what they know that we do not.
I haven’t decided who did what, in this case, but I am taking some second looks. I think the convictions of guilt should be in the hands of a jury that has all the evidence. We do not have all the evidence, and we may be surprised when we do.
I do not think RC killed Haleigh. I just cannot wrap my mind around him doing such a thing, yet at the same time I feel he carries around an enormous amount of guilt over what happened to Haleigh.
RC is clearly distraught over Haleigh. I can feel his pain, but I also believe he may be guilty of something that led up to what happened. I have no idea what that might be, but it is something big, imo. I believe the other players know what that something big is.
RC’s choice of words in many interviews and on the 911 call were indications that he knew Haleigh was not coming home, imo. I have no idea how he knew, but if it turns out that he did this horrendous deed, I will be shocked.
Hi Cathartic:
I don’t know if Ronald did or didn’t do anything to Haleigh. It could have been a horrible accident due to their drug use and poor decisions. Then the distancing language might be that he and Misty are wanting to distance themselves from any connection to what happened to Haleigh. This kind of science needs evidence to go with it.
From the very start, that blanket that Misty was bringing into the interviews caught ny attention. I thought, that is a funny thing to bring up in an interview of a missing child. I thought about all of the reasons that she would have for bringing up the washing of the blanket, and her blanket was in the van that they took. Then she went into taking one off of the window for her and Jr to cover with. That is alot of extra information to bring into an interview about a missing child. There has to be a reason for that whole subject on Misty’s part.
I wondered, at first, if she was trying to impress people that she was taking good care of Haleigh. I wondered what happened to Haleigh’s blanket. I wondered if she was wrapped in the blanket when she left the house. I don’t know if it is true, but I read a report a few days ago that LE was looking for the blanket during this search, as evidence.
Yes, but if it was an accident, why not just call 911 to report an accident? I believe the other players, if they were so high they couldn’t think straight, might do something incredibly stupid to cover up, but I doubt RC was high that night. It would be difficult for him to be at his workplace that high and not have a supervisor notice, imo.
The gun is another thing that keeps coming up with both Misty and Ronald. Cuz Joe keeps coming up, also. There has to be a reason for that gun to keep coming up.
Tim Miller said this place that they searched was one of the ones Misty named for Tim to do a search. I have thought several times that Misty is giving out some hints, but she doesn’t want to be directly responsible for telling LE exactly what happened and where to look. I have wondered if she wants an end to it all, but she is covering for someone about something.
A blanket played a big part. Misty went on and on about the blankets.
I wonder if she only thought Haleigh was dead. If she were just unconscious, that might be why dogs did not hit inside the MH. Dogs can’t detect anything unless a body is there for an hour or so…although the time might be less for a child. Some dogs are far more sensitive but they are very rare. If Haleigh died in the MH, they got her out of there fairly quickly. Could they work that efficiently if they were so high??
JMO
I don’t think Ron would have been high that night. We don’t know what Ron may have been told about what happened to Haleigh. If it had something to do with illegal drugs, that would have brought Ron into it. also.
Maybe they didn’t work or drive that efficiently, and that is the reason the van got scratched. Also, Misty’s letter to Chelsea speaks of how wasted Joe and Tommy were. There may be some grains of truth in everything Misty ralks about.
I am crashing for awhile. BBL
My opinion currently is there is someone else involved. Someone M knows, or R knows. I still wonder if this might not be some kind of retaliation. And that might be where the gun comes in. Maybe it was used in a crime…and some thug vowed to get revenge?
The simplest explanation is usually the right one, but this case has no simple explanations. There’s no way Tommy would stay quiet this long to cover for Ron if he knew Ron had committed a crime that led up to a retaliation. And I can’t just ignore Ratgate. That was a message from Ron to Tommy, imo.
This leads me to believe Ron may have done something that riled up the wrong person. Tommy knows about it, or was also involved.
If this is the case, it will come out eventually, because I do not think Tommy will stay quiet forever.
I am wondering if the thug that did the retalliation on RC, by killing Haleigh, was JO. In those last audios, RC was telling Cobra that he was scared of JO. That is the only time I have ever heard RC say that he was scared of someone.
There is all this talk about JO might have been the one to have taken Haleigh, but RC never followed JO back to Tenn to force him to tell where Haleigh was. I always wondered why.
RC doesn’t seem to be the kind of person to back away from a fight, but he says he is scared of JO. Maybe, that is the real reason RC wants to crush both of JO’s hands. He knows that would keep JO from any further revenge. Remember, RC’s statement about some sorry piece of trash came in and took his daughter and when the time was right, RC was going to take the trash out.
I am beginning to wonder if JO did this over revenge about that gun. Somehow, RC did not want LE in on this fight over the gun. He denied the fight. I wonder if the gun was part of a drug or illegal gun trading deal that RC, JO, and TC were involved in. That would keep them all quiet, if they would all go to jail, if the truth came out. MC may have not talked because she loved RC. That is one scenario that I can see that RC wouldn’t blame MC. IMO
One other thing I was thinking about was when Chelsea tells about MC calling her and saying. “Tell me you put the scratch on my van.” Chelsea started to cry and said, “No I didn’t put the scratch on your van.” I wonder if she was asking Chelsea to cover for them by saying she was driving the van the day before and scratched the van. I am wondering if Chelsea refused to get involved and cover for them. I wonder if she just changed the words and meaning of what was really said when talking to the reporter. This is just a thought.
It has become blatantly obvious that this website has nothing newsworthy, or even journalistic about it.
It’s a few people in a “van down by the river” playing TJ Hooker in their spare time.
Y’all get a real job !!!!!!!
Do we know for a FACT that Haleigh’s great grandmother saw her at 7pm when she dropped off the clothes? If she did see her, and Ron was at work, he could not have done anything to Haleigh during that time, but if the ggma only saw Jr.??? Did they really change both kids’ shirts?
Jay, then why do you keep coming back and Reading? Exactly.
Why would GMS put shirts on them at 7:00pm? Wouldn’t they be going to bed soon and getting in their PJs? Were they outside on a chilly night with no shirts on? Surely if they are outside eating it wouldn’t make sense to put clean shirts on them now. Would it? And who was with her? She says we drove up.
maryd, it has been mentioned maybe the shirts were nightshirts, and yes, who was with her when she drove up? Why not wait until after dinner to change into the night shirts? Surely not change them before they finish eating???? Especially Jr. who probably gets a little messy while eating because of his age, but I really want to know if this is TRUE and if they really did see both kids, and yes, I too wonder who was with ggma. So much hinges on if this is true or not, if true, Haleigh was alive after Ron went to work, if not true, Haleigh could have been already gone??????
Lori, Concerning the “bus stop” drug, I assume you mean when Tommy Croslin was found passed out in his vehicle at his son’s bus stop. The drug he was on was FLEXERIL, a muscle relaxant.
I know about it because I have M.S. and was just recently put on it so I was struck by that info. It doesn’t work right away but when it kicks in, it’s SLEEPYTIME for sure. (unless they are snorting it, and that is out of my realm.)
It’s ALWAYS seemed like Misty was covering for Ron. That girl is so in love with him and is blind to all others. Has anyone heard that tape where she says “they’re on to us?” I’ve never heard that before. Surely, LE has more information than we know about.
My feeling is Joe (who I originally thought guilty as sin, if Ron/Misty weren’t involved.) actually MAY be being set up. That whole back story of the gun just seems to work on that angle of payback being a b*tch. If Tommy said “he wouldn’t finger Joe because he didn’t know for sure what had happened,” I hope he told LE what he knows. Ron could certainly have said what he said to lead the trail away from him. All that blustering “I’LL KILL WHOEVER I HAVE TO,” come on, that’s so big man bogus! Just concentrate on your missing daughter and getting the Police to your house first! All that huffing and puffing reminds me of the Wizard of Oz, blowing smoke behind the curtains while intoning nonsense to those seeking the yellow brick road, ie; the truth.
As much as I abhor Nancy Grace’s Morton Downey-esque/CUJO rabidism, I watch her show because I DO want to glean and garner some clues from somewhere, ANYWHERE. That’s why I tape her show, and when I replay it, I simply MUTE her and just read the closed captioning. Speed through on “forward” to get past the same clip being shown for the 50th time in one hour. It’s a beautiful thing. (I am 80% deaf also. That’s why I can not listen to Simon’s radio show and I sooo appreciate the print outs of the show; it’s so helpful. Thank you HollyG’sMom) Though her BOMBSHELLS are usually a dollar short and a day late, it does keep Haleigh’s name in the news. Even the defensive lawyers know that something is terribly wrong in this case. I was SHOCKED that NG was on Ron’s speed dial. Does anyone remember when she INSISTED that Misty could NOT have done anything to that “little girl” because she was “such a tiny girl herself?” Yup, yup, it happened way back when, then she suddenly turned on her.
HLN has a habit of “tabloidizing” its headlines. JVM also does it, to a lesser degree, but she strives to be more fair in her analysis. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with AJ HAmmer and Brooke ANDERSON IS the WORST! They throw out scurrilous headlines all throughout the show, then near the end they debunk their own leads. Disgusting. It’s like all the other ” celebrity news shows.” I stopped watching them a long time ago. It’s insulting to people of real intelligence.
In the end, when Ron is found to be culpable, what do you want to bet that NG will say ‘I KNEW IT! THAT IS WHY I LED RONALD TO BELIEVE I WAS ON HIS SIDE. I WAS HELPING LAW ENFORECEMENT!” PS. NG has always said that her fiance was killed by an unknown assailant but it is open knowledge that the guy who killed him KNEW him and the Police know who he was quickly. She also was “allowed to leave her job” as State Prosecutor when charges were flying fast and furious against her, for improper behavior and conduct befitting her position. Hmm, you don’t hear NG talk about that now, do you?
As an older new mother who almost died during childbirth, I can see why she is so loathe to go easy on baby killers (not that anyone is FOR baby killers) but I do believe it clouds her judgement.
If Haleigh’s abduction were some sort of retaliation carried out by “dope boys” then it would be possible she’s still alive. Wouldn’t it? Couldn’t they have sold her? I was in mourning last week but now I feel that was premature. I won’t believe she’s dead until someone proves she is. People should still be actively seeking her if there is no evidence to support the notion she is deceased. She could be in a sex slave ring or something godawful like that.
Why would “dope boys” kill her when there is money to be made?
As far as Sunday’s show — I haven’t listened yet. I have a hard time sitting still that long. I wish there were transcripts.
I wish I had superpowers. I’d start with Haleigh and wouldn’t stop until… well, I suppose I’d never stop — there’s always someone out there hurting someone else.
Given my history with my own father, it sort of surprises me that I’m not more suspicious of Ron. I can easily imagine a beating gone wrong or gone too far because it happened to me on several occasions. I was Daddy’s Little Girl, too. My father even called my mother at work (they were long-divorced by then) and threatened to kill me if she didn’t come pick me up right away. Ron seems like he might have a temper.
I’ve also wondered if Haleigh may have been more vulnerable to head trauma because of the bad fall she had on the monkey bars. That injury actually changed the shape of Haleigh’s face. A punch to the face from an adult could be enough to cause serious damage on its own, never mind a punch delivered on top of a not-so-old injury. My father broke my nose when I was seven and every injury I’ve recieved in that area since then aggravates the old injury. I also have a seizure disorder from brain lesions due to head trauma at my father’s hands. I’ve read a lot of different abuse stories in the news and all so I know it could have been much worse for me. There are children who go through much more abuse than I did — if I’m this physically damaged, what’s it like for kids who were beat even worse? You know, the ones who by some miracle do not die?
All just speculation — I really feel if she were dead they would have some evidence by now. Why did LE decide this is a homicide? I wish someone would at least tell us why they now believe Haleigh is dead. I don’t believe it.
Haven’t been on here in awhile but the whole Ron calling Haleigh his daughter got me thinking… I say my daughter all the time… But in the news conferences and NG when he’d say it maybe it was to also show the association she is, not just a name but a relation. She’s his daughter, a young child, defensless and innocent… You look at her in a different light thinking of who she is then just her name.
The addition of Mr. Hyatt who brought a new voice and ideas to the show I thought was excellent. The very idea of questioning his credentials makes no sense. He seemed objective to me, what more do people want?
For the poster that said oxycodone = percocet, percocet is a combination of oxycodone and tylenol. Oxycodone is a miracle drug to many without a doubt. It is a shame that those that rely on it to just get through the day due to their chronic pain get treated like street addicts when they fill a prescription, or have to go to multiple pharmacies to find one that will even carry the drug. The abusers have done a number on those that really need this drug.
it was stranger abduction..
polly klas – stranger abduction from her bed
elizabeth smart – stranger abduction from her bed
jon benet ramsey – stranger abduction from her bed
HALEIGH CUMMINGS – STRANGER ABDUCTION from her bed..
Misty was asleep as were all the parents of the above.
LE’s stranglehold on misty and her posse is the reason for all the finger pointing. The strangled will say anything to stop the strangling..LE blew it from the git!
OJ’s glove — if it was a stranger abduction, then where is Haleigh now? With the stranger? Deceased? If deceased, where is her body? Most of the cases you mention as examples have been resolved by now — or, we at least know where each of those children are now. Where is Haleigh?
maryd said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Why would GMS put shirts on them at 7:00pm? Wouldn’t they be going to bed soon and getting in their PJs? Were they outside on a chilly night with no shirts on? Surely if they are outside eating it wouldn’t make sense to put clean shirts on them now. Would it? And who was with her? She says we drove up.
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they were on a screened in porch, not outside.It’s was in the 60s outside, not chilly at all.
Hollys Gmom said,
in April 25th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
JNEt;
Your facts just are not the FACTS…
Peter does have creditials…Simon has given them, multiple times.
Not everyone who says “my daughter” instead of a name is a molester. Peter did not imply that. He is talking about a MURDERED child! Now, if your child had been murdered and you refer to her as “My daughter” instead of her name, one could draw that same conclusion. Sorry, but it’s true. How people speak does give insight into their secrets.
People do gain weight in jail, especially when they are poking everything they can get their hands on into that deep dark dank hole in their souls they used to fill with drugs. Now it’s food (cause they can’t get anything else; Lock-down. Gen pop there’s drugs a pleanty…lol) Added to the lack of physical activity and no longer using drugs, he’s gained a considerable amount of weight in a relatively short time.
Sorry, you’re wrong Oxycodone was NOT the Croslin & Ron’s favorite it was OXYCONTIN…we’ve all been discussing it, excchanging encyclopedia articles, drug addicts message board examples and much much more for 14 months now. They used the main-line drug OXYCONTIN. Now HYDROCODONE does play it’s part as it was one of the drugs they SOLD to support their OXYCONTIN habits. They didn’t use the HYDROCODONE as much and the OXYCONTIN.
Drug addicts ARE very compliant & passive when high…I would think with your degree, you would have known that. Peter DID NOT say addicts GAIN weight…he said they will chronically be UNDER WEIGHT due to not eating, especially heavy or main-line users…DID we listen to the same show?
It’s one thing to critic the show, it’s another thing entirely to mis-represent the content of the show, in part or in full.
Ohh watch out! The RONETTES are fighting mad and out for BLOOD…guess what…so are the Haleighettes….
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I’m pretty sick of your RONETTES all the time. It’s childish and pretty pathetic.. what are you 12 or something? If someone doesn’t believe Ron had anything to do with what happened to Haleigh you give them a childish nickname..I think some people are going to be surprised in the next couple of week..just squat and watch.
He did accuse Ron of molesting Haleigh and some of us did look for his credentials before hand and there’s nothing on the net. His analysis are almost word for word the same as Mr. McClish.
I don’t believe Ron molested Haleigh and I’m very surprised that accusation was made. I think there is something to statement analysis but I think also it can go too far and get quite a bit hinky. The use of the phrase “my daughter” instead of the child’s name is okay as long as we aren’t discussing a MURDERED child? We don’t know that we are discussing a murdered child — we only know for certain she is a missing child. If that’s all Ron knows, then it’s no big deal if he says “my daughter” instead of Haleigh, right? If he didn’t kill her or doesn’t know for sure she’s dead, then he is not discussing a murdered child — he’s talking about his missing daughter.
I have not read every post… and actually will not read them. However, these are my thoughts/opinions.
I have no issue with “my daughter” being used. I say “my son” all the time when I’m speaking to someone regarding him. I understand that when someone goes kidnapped, the parents/relatives are told to say their name as much as possible to humanize their loved one, to the predator.
There is a such thing as reading too much into some/every thing!
with all due respect Holly’s GM I agree with Vaquera. You have kind of become the psuedo modertor on this site and quite frankly have Art Harris type tendencies of intimidating and berating everybody who does not agree with your opionion or who questions Simon’s guests. I like you alot and I think your undercovering of the Steve Brown situation through the post by his “son” was brilliant. Please don’t let this blog turn into a AH situation:
AH Pet Blogger: “The sky is pink and the grass is blue and oh Art Harris I love You”
AH: “oh thank you so much pet blogger my little kiss ass. You know you have heard it all exclusively right here on BaldHarris.com”
It’s normal for people to say My Daugher or My Son. All posters do it and they can deny it if they want just to further the conspiracy theory that everyone has involving this whole clan.
I DO NOT like Ron at all, am not a “fan” of his, but if you speak out against the statement analysis, then you are branded a Ron lover. Ummm ok! As a matter of fact, I think he is a thug and that has nothing to do with my opinion of Peter. There!
I’m with you vaquera.
vaquera said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:01 am
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Applause!
Thank you Vaq, you wrote it much nicer than I would have.
Now watch the web go wild with these allegations, they’ll all be swearing they’re FACTS in no time….UGH, total B/S.
Oh, HGM…I believe we’re all here for Haleigh, are we not all Haleighettes?
I think Ron is innocent. I am still praying for HaLeigh and her family, and I hope Ron is out soon
Good point Noreen. I think a lot of people aren’t here for HaLeigh, they’re here to crucify Ron and don’t care about HaLeigh at all.
I think the comments that Ron made like “I’d give my life to get my daughter’s LIFE back” are very telling. He didn’t say get my DAUGHTER back…he said her LIFE. Misty saying “that little girl” is telling as well. Her saying Haleigh ruined her 17th birthday is also quite telling.
If I were talking to a stranger or someone I am less familiar with I use the term “my son” because they may or may not know his name. But if I am talking to my family or close friends who know my son I use his name. When Ron is talking to his mother it makes no sense for him to day “daughter”. The use of past tense is telling as well.
Whether Ron was involved in Haleigh’s death is yet to be determined but his comments sure seem to demonstrate he KNEW she was dead and that would seem to indicate he is part of the cover up. It also explains many of his actions (or lack thereof).
However, NONE of us know what truly happened. All we have is opinion, speculation and theory. I don’t know if there is anything to the speech analysis or not but it sure seemed impressive to me and certainly made sense to me. The articles I ready on Peter Hyatt’s site about Casey Anthony and family certainly rang true and have been confirmed. Can speech truly ID a killer? I have no idea. But it certainly can be and probably should be a tool for LE to utilize to help guide them in their investigation. In this case they certainly need all the help they can get.
My theories have shifted several times but I’m back to thinking Ron is involved either in Haleigh’s death or the subsequent cover-up. Obviously JMO. Time will tell. But no matter which theory is correct, there are no winners or losers here at BNN. This isn’t a competition to see who has the more “spot on theory”. The reality is that a child has most likely lost her life and our beliefs, theories and opinions, no matter how valiantly defended, will do nothing to bring her back and ultimately will matter very little at the end of the day.
I just listened to Cobra talking about Ron’s telephone conversation with Misty prior to what would have been doing the re-enactment scene of the events that took place at the MH on the night Haleigh vanished.
Misty allegedly said either “He is on to us” or “They are on to us” and to get away from Cobra. She also apparently threatens to leave Ron and move to N.C.
If it were that only Misty herself had done something to Haleigh then why would there be any room whatsoever for Misty to make any such threats against/towards Ronald?
It seems that both Cobra’s testimony of what he had overheard and/or the taped conversations that Cobra has could very possibly be used a evidence in this case.
Does anybody know if Speech analysis is admissible in court? I’m thinking not – like lie detector tests. Subjective and unreliable. That is why they are not admissible. But facinating none the less and definatley a tool to uncover lies if they are working.
I won’t comment on who is here for HaLeigh, ’cause, frankly I don’t care! And I can’t see into anyone’s heart, in fact NO ONE has that ability!
I think having anyone believe Cobra without proof is a big stretch
curious – if I had to pick between believing Cobra or Ron and Misty….my bet is on Cobra! LOL
Hey B*A! How are you? Where’ve you been hiding! I’ve missed ya!
JB said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:46 am curious – if I had to pick between believing Cobra or Ron and Misty….my bet is on Cobra! LOL
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We can agree to disagree :), my money would be on Ron.
Hey JB,
I’ve been around… just hanging out on twitter. I’m doing well, and yourself? Missed ya too!
beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 10:25 am
I have not read every post… and actually will not read them. However, these are my thoughts/opinions.
I have no issue with “my daughter” being used. I say “my son” all the time when I’m speaking to someone regarding him. I understand that when someone goes kidnapped, the parents/relatives are told to say their name as much as possible to humanize their loved one, to the predator.
There is a such thing as reading too much into some/every thing!
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Cent, that is a very fair and balanced post!! Thank you!!! I also say “my son”……all the time.
Accusing a father or mother of a missing child of abusing, especially sexually abusing the child with out fact is not only sick and cruel it is absolutely unprofessional. It is the worst excuse for journalism that I have ever seen. It saddens me how far he have sank in the crave for trash over seeking just the truth here.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 10:25 am
or *goes missing
Hypothetically speaking and for all we know there could have been some type of retalliation going on and if possibly that neither R nor M did anything directly to cause Haleigh’s disappearance and possible death, accountability for their actions, behaviors, and lifestyle etc.. that may have contributed to what has happened are still subject for concern.
Especially if they knew what happened and possibly had information all this time that could have quickly lead LE to finding Haleigh and possibly saving her life, if she is now in fact deceased.
IMO the search of the river was most likely a red herring regardless if some form of evidence may or may not have been found regarding this case or possibly even another case unrelated to Haleigh’s disappearance. I do not believe that Haleigh was placed in the water as has been suggested by some.
It seems possible to me that the information that was given to LE regarding the tip directing them to the river area was possibly another attempt to deflect away from the location of real evidence directly relating to Haleigh’s whereabouts. jmvho
As much as I would love to believe Haleigh is still with us….I don’t think LE would change this to a homocide investigation if there was any hope Haleigh was still alive. I mean they waited 14 months to declare it a homocide. They have GOT to have SOMETHING that tells them she is indeed dead. I don’t see them making that announcement without something pretty solid (meaning something OTHER than statements from Tommy, Misty, etc). I truly believe they’ve got a lot of evidence that we obviously don’t know about. Until they charge someone, we are not privy to that info as per the Sunshine Laws. However, once they charge someone, they have to have their ducks in a row because everything will be made public and they won’t be able to catch anyone off guard or do any sneaky behind the scenes work at that point. The gig will be up.
I think we’ll all want to be sitting down when that day comes because in my heart I truly feel we will NOT like what we hear.
Vaquera @ 9:49: They were outside (screened porch is outside of the MH).
@ 10:01: “His analysis are almost word for word the same as Mr. McClish.”
That’s to be expected because they’re both doing verbal polygraphy. Peter said “I’ve yet to encounter two analysis works to actually disagree one with another”.
“It’s not like one says ‘deceptive’ and the other says ‘not deceptive’.”
“I’ve yet to encounter that or even read about that. It is more that one picked up A, B, C, D, but the other picked up those as well as E and F.”
Treece said: Accusing a father or mother of a missing child of abusing, especially sexually abusing the child with out fact is not only sick and cruel it is absolutely unprofessional. It is the worst excuse for journalism that I have ever seen. It saddens me how far he have sank in the crave for trash over seeking just the truth here.
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I agree completely.
Even with the Casey Anthony case you had/have defenders of Casey (and family). The evidence against Casey is pretty overwhelming but there are those that still believe she is innocent. My point is that even when LE charges someone, I think there will be a lot of people to defend them (whoever they are). GAWD forbid they charge Misty. OJ will have a flippin’ meltdown! LOL
“JB said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:46 am curious – if I had to pick between believing Cobra or Ron and Misty….my bet is on Cobra! LOL”
LMAO! Ennit? I saw this post and near about fell outta my chair laughing!
I agree with you 100%.
…multiplied by infinity.
treece said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Accusing a father or mother of a missing child of abusing, especially sexually abusing the child with out fact is not only sick and cruel it is absolutely unprofessional. It is the worst excuse for journalism that I have ever seen. It saddens me how far he have sank in the crave for trash over seeking just the truth here.
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Very well said.
I think where some have the problem with Mr. Hyatt is the fact that he just came out the woodwork. Here it is over a year later and he pops up!
JB said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:46 am curious – if I had to pick between believing Cobra or Ron and Misty….my bet is on Cobra! LOL
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Errrrr, for me to believe Cobra I’d have to know who he was currently living with. He changes his opinions and theories more than he changes his underwear. Although I did notice his ‘dig’ at PicASSio yesterday, she must be out of favor again.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 26th, 2010 at 11:08 am I think where some have the problem with Mr. Hyatt is the fact that he just came out the woodwork. Here it is over a year later and he pops up!
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Not only that, but he said yesterday on the show that he hadn’t fully analysed RC’s statements, then he followed that up with his absurd abuse statement?!?!?!?!?
Jason….AMEN. I agree completely. This isn’t subjective science. It is looking for certain words, use of past tense, etc. There really isn’t a “gray area”. Either they use past tense or they don’t. Or say they are giving a report to LE of the events of that night…..using Casey Anthony as an example….when she described to LE the day Caylee went missing she did it in present tense….example…..”I’m driving to Saw Grass Apartments, I knock on the door, no one is answering”….which shows she is making it up as she goes along rather than recalling the events from memory….if she were recalling the events, it would be stated in past tense….”I DROVE to Saw Grass Apartments, KNOCKED on the door, no one ANSWERED”. Also, giving over the top and excessive amounts of detail is a sign of deception.
But basically, you could put 10 speech analysists in a room, let them review the exact same transcript and you’d ultimately get the same results because it isn’t based on opinion…it is based on the words themselves, how they are used, etc. There really is no interpretation. They look for certain words and either they are there or they aren’t.
At the beginning of this case a listener to the radio show called in about ‘Remote Viewing’, her and Cobra were discussing the value of that technique. I’d love to know if that lady is still around, and had done any ‘Remote Viewing’ of this case.
Simon and Jan thanks for the show Sunday very interesting.
I for one keep going back to theses two cases.
Haleigh’s case is so familer to Amanda Dougherty and Riley Fox.
Right down to the fathers, and the questions that were never answer.
both cases are still unsovled.
In fact Riley father sue the court.
April 7,2010
An appeals court Wednesday agreed with a federal jury’s 2007 finding that Will County police framed Kevin Fox for the rape and murder of his 3-year-old daughter Riley, but reduced the damages awarded to Fox and his wife from $12.2 million to $8 million.
I understand why pcso is so tight lip. we don’t want this to happen in Haleigh’s case.
Noreen,
I do NOT believe that R molested H! I just don’t see that one. As someone pointed out earlier, his analysis would be the same as any other analyst. He just decided to ADD that “nasty biz” to his assessment. I don’t count him!
JNet @ 9:58 pm: ” … give me one web site, just one, with Peter Wyatt’s credentials.”
Credentials ‘posted’ on a Web site aren’t neccessarily truth, JNet. Anyone can put a site up and claim credentials galore, and people who really do have the credentials don’t always post them online.
I trust Simon and Jan related to us Peter Hyatt’s true ‘credentials’, but you don’t.
Yes, you dissed Mr. Hyatt by intentionally calling him Wyatt.
What a great show! I just finished listening. We had such bad weather here yesterday I had to put of listening due to all the lightning.
JB I am with you. I am now a little more than suspicious of Rons knowing what happened to his daughter Haleigh.
I am still awed over NG helping Ronald lawyer up!!! I am hopeful that Ronald was aware of Cobra taping as well as AH being there to hear Misty telling Ronald that they were on to them and to get away from Cobra, then this way it will be available to come in as evidence. I wonder if AH told NG about what he heard Misty say to Ronald about they were on to them. If so then why is she still saying he is innocent of any wrong doings in his daughters disappearance and willing to fight with the angel!!!!!!!!!
I want the right one or ones who did this to our little Angel Haleigh prosecuted to the fullest extent!! I also want those that knew the truth and helped cover up to serve time as well!! How could anyone know the truth and the possibilty of her being on the bottom of the river being picked at by all the creatures or worst being swallowed up by as an alligator. They all say they loved Haleigh. Well, they sure have bizarre way of showing it.JMO.
Treece said: Accusing a father or mother of a missing child of abusing, especially sexually abusing the child with out fact is not only sick and cruel it is absolutely unprofessional. It is the worst excuse for journalism that I have ever seen. It saddens me how far he have sank in the crave for trash over seeking just the truth here.
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that ranks right up there with when the murderer of polly klass said in court, that polly said “just don’t do me like my dad”..
absoutely despicable!
Peter’s analysis of Misy’s statements in the 911 call seem spot-on to me – so clear and believable.
But, I don’t agree with his analysis of Flora. I like Flora, and believe she is telling the truth about what she was told. I THINK Peter’s issues with his own grandmother have clouded his analysis of Flora.
That’s my thought, but I might be wrong, and he may be right.
I agree with Peter’s analysis that are readily discernable to me as truth – the ones that give me an ‘a-ha, that’s it!’ moment, and I disagree with the others.
He might be able to better clarify some of his analysis (such as the possesive ‘my daughter’).
Apparently the telephone conversation between Ron and Misty was on speaker phone so Cobra and Art were innocent witnesses none the less and it seems to me that their testimony would be valuable evidence all by itself. If anyone were in the wrong on that it would be Ron for having his cell set on speaker phone.
Was the convo reported to LE?
B*A – if it wasn’t, it should have been reported to LE. But I think LE hasn’t always been open to listening to what Cobra has to say. I could be wrong but I thought he tried to give them all these tapes he had made and they weren’t interested in them. Not sure why and not totally sure that is accurate….but that’s what I remember.
One thing Cobra said that stuck with me was all these people could tell everything about the person who was getting trown under the bus but couldntor wouldnt say what they were doing or where they were at the time. That is very telling. Also the dual explanations like who found the gun, who woke up and noticed Joe not in his room etc.jmo
Jason I agree with you about Flora. I too believe that she is telling the truth about what she was told.
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It is sad to hear that she may have suffered a stroke.
~Get well soon Flora Hollers~
I would hope the convo was told to LE.
You are right Tuff that Art and Cobra would be valuable witnesses, but it would be great if it was indeed recorded with Rons knowledge so that he could not back peddle and say he never said that.
I think Ron spoke of her in the past tense because I think he knew in his heart she was likely dead but wanted to hold on to hope that she wasn’t that’s why he would plead for her return… If you’re wrapped up in the life style they were in you can’t really imagine the best outcome in this kind of situation… JMHO
Jason….did you read Peter’s analysis of Casey Anthony and family? I was like OMG, SPOT ON! He has those people NAILED! I found his info on the Anthony case VERY enlightening and interesting. He hasn’t done that much with the Haleigh case….but I hope he and others involved in speech analysis will!
Do I think speech analysis is 100% accurate? NO. I’m not sure it can tell you if someone has been molested or has molested someone else. I DO believe it can show deception which is a GREAT tool for LE so they know if they are headed in the right direction or not.
Tuff, I do too but what she was told is probably what Misty and others spun for her to tell on NG. So sad that they would do that to someone who loved them. jmo
I say ‘my children’, ‘my son’, ‘my daughter’, ‘my grandson’, when talking to acquaintances whom have never met them, or have met them one or a few times, but don’t really know them.
I always call them by name when talking to family, friends, teachers, other parents and grandparents whom I feel KNOW them.
I don’t say ‘my daughter’ when I’m talking to ‘my mother’ or ‘my sister’, but do say ‘my daughter’ when BRIEFLY talking to someone who has never met ‘my daughter’, and does not know her name.
Cobra didn’t actually meet Haleigh, but he knew her name, and called her by her name many times in his conversations with Ron.
Cobra calls her Haleigh, but Ron doesn’t. I wonder if Ron didn’t call her by name because RONALD FELT COBRA DID NOT KNOW HALEIGH.
Peter, if you’re reading, would you give your feedback on this, please?
Jason, If you go and listen to others talk on camera convrsations like TN,GGMSykes or the Sheffields you hear her name mentioned as Haleigh not my grand daughter or daughter.Just thought this would help you out. jmo
I believe Flora was telling all the stories that she had heard. She was doing her best to be truthful. She would also say that so and so said, except on the story about Misty hitting Haleigh with a board and causing Haleighs demise. I wish her all the best and hope she gets better soon.
Thanks JB @11:54
Jason, in your last post you answered that. When you’re speaking of your child to others outside your family, someone that hasn’t met them, you say my daughter. Too me, that’s what Ron did.
Grant it, I still don’t trust him!
Simon you are so immature and inappropriate in your responses to Jnet and in your “discussion” stating I have no doubt that some might not agree, my advice to you that do not agree with our experts, is go find a web site or cable channel that fits your needs.” Wow!!! I guess you only want discussions if everyone agrees with you and your panelists. How sad,…. and I thought more of you, very disappointed in you. I have never expected perfection from you but this? So if anyone isn’t in 100% agreement with “you and yours” we aren’t welcome. I’m sure Haleigh appreciates that much. Allot of us are now done with you entirely. That will be Haleigh’s loss due to your small ego. Grow up man. You are head of the chicken coup and now we see why you allow people to stay and post who speak endless dribble, peck other commentators and chase them away with immunity but YOU get rid of honest thinking,posters who disagree with you. Well, using the analysis you have tauted so highly– you have given yourself away– and frankly not done Haleigh any favors either. Shame on you. You need a break or something because you are taking yourselves too seriously, the very thing you blast other “hosts” for doing. How disingenuous you are shame on you!!!!!! This post likely won’t even make it on line, or if it does will be removed.
IMO Ron is distancing himself by not mentioning Haleigh’s name. At first ok I get it he says, “My Daughter” but after saying “My Daughter” a few times during the conversation and after finding out that the person he was talking to actually knows and functionally uses Haleigh’s name during this same conversation, the continued use of saying “My Daughter” leans towards possessive distancing. imvho
It comes across to me in the same manner as when Misty says “that Child”. (As we all know Misty cannot say “My Child” because Haleigh was not Misty’s Child.)
Instead of directly using Haleigh’s name Ron chose to repeatedly use a noun in place of her name.
A noun obviously only “describes” a person, place or thing.
Cobra repeatedly acknowledged Haleigh by name so Ron’s repeated use of a noun was very un-necessary imvho.
I always say my little girl or my little boy.
Now that they are young adults they get mad because I still say my boy or my girl. NG refers to hers as the twins, this is started early on alot of young parents have to remind themselves not to still call the child the baby . My husband and I still call each other Mommy and Daddy. I rarely use daughter or son.jmo
I have twins and they hate when their friends call them “the twins”, it takes away from their “individual status”… lol
homespain….uh, unlike other blogs…posts don’t get removed (unless they are vulgar and over the top vicious)….nor are the censored or “moderated” prior to posting.
I think it is one thing to make a post saying “I don’t believe in speech analysis and do not believe it has any place in law enforcement”…it is quite another to personally attack people and insult them…especially when those people are your HOSTS.
You say people should be able to post their opinions whether they agree with something or not…yet when the HOST posts something stating he disagrees, he is trashed. Makes NO sense.
And it is ONE thing to disagree with other posters and to debate your position passionately. It is QUITE another to come on here and disrespect the hosts (Simon and Jan) and belittle them and put them down. THAT is personal and has NOTHING to do with an opinion about this case. Simon has every right to defend his “home” against nasty comments directed towards him personally.
And if people don’t like it here, WHY make all the fuss and trash the place? Just move on….why waste your valuable time somewhere you don’t like and don’t want to me…..and don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Sheesh. Get over yourself already. If you were in a room that was uncomfortable to you, perhaps too warm, too cold and the people not to your liking…would you A) stand up and make a 30 minute speech about the temperature, the people, the furniture or other items you disliked….or B) Just get up and walk out…..MOST people would just exit the room. Hint Hint…. 🙄
I have never said in conversation with a relative or friend anything but their names though. My co workers use their childrens names also I observed this as a test last night. I started a conversation about kids at lunch just to see if they would. I have not met them but I know their names. One of them added both, Guess what my daughter Kori did this morning….jmo
But tobias, don’t you see that is just person preference. I can tell by what you just wrote that you use those names “my little girl”, “my little boy” and “Daddy” with fondness. That is the same thing I do when I say “my son” or “my hub”.Part of that is the way we were brought up and part of it is just the way we express affection towards them. JMO
Right Tobias but think about this…are you saying it defensively?
Are you saying this to people whom you are speaking with who are outside of your comfort zone?
People that you do not “really” want to be close to or knowing about information pertaining to your Child?
I too am a Parent and I speak defensively when it come to having anything to do with my Children.
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Why would that be the case if your Child were missing and you are desperately reliant upon someone to help find your Child? Wouldn’t you want to be as open with the person who was searching desperately for your Child? Wouldn’t you want them to know your Child’s name at minimum? Why the continued defensive manner of speech?
And on the jail tape when talking to his mother Ron STILL uses the term “my daughter” instead of Haleigh. Normally you would use “my daughter” or “my daughter Haleigh” when speaking to someone who wouldn’t know who “Haleigh” was if you said the name alone. But I’m PRETTY sure Ron’s mom knows who Haleigh is. LOL I think we ALL use “my son” or “my daughter” in our everyday speech. But if you were talking to your husband, mother, father, sister, brother, close friend, even LE, you wouldn’t say “I’m taking my daughter to the store” or “My daughter and I went to the store”…you would say “I’m taking Haleigh (or your child’s name) to the store”, etc. Ron didn’t do that. He uses “my daughter”…and it is strange.
I agree, the usage was not what it should have been. Like with my co worker it would have been from Ron my daughter haleigh if he was talking to someone he was less personal with.
And since Cobra kept using her name it is strange that he keeps saying his daughter.
Maybe one of you can do this test at work or somewhere to see how it works out?? Could be interesting to see what happens. jmo
Just thought of something important. I have to go back and listen but did Ron ever use consistantly Junior or my son? jmo
Most likely what would happen is that the person you are speaking to would realize that you are being very defensive of your family member and would possibly even realize that they are not welcome inside your comfort zone…at all.
Once again, I think this is a case of reading too much into some/every thing. My sister calls “my son”… son, when she’s talking to him and others… and she has 3 sons of her own. Should I read into that “my” son is hers?
By the way, sometimes his grandmother and other aunt does too!
Tobias – he says “JR” but then says “my daughter” when referring to Haleigh…..
Sounds like you have a very protective and loving family Cent. 🙂
So what I have said thus far doesn’t come off wrong, I’m no expert on none of this stuff. I am interested in what Peter Hyatt’s thoughts are and in the field that he teaches. My own thoughts on this subject are just that and the study about this case subject parallels my opinions.
Tuff… yes they are! Sometimes overly. But in the end… I wouldn’t trade them in.
Cent 🙂 Feel like adopting me? J/K J/K!
B*A….we ALL do that sometimes. I call my son, “SON” too.
But if I was on the phone with my mom I wouldn’t say “Me and my son are going on vacation”. I would say “Me and (insert son’s name) are going on vacation”.
In the same sentence he will say “my daughter” but then call Jr by his name. That is what is puzzling.
If I was talking to people on this blog about my child, I would use the term (and I have) “my son”. You guys don’t know him so I would not use his name. But if you DID know him and you asked me “How is ______ doing in school?” and you used his name….I would use his name in that conversation too…I wouldn’t refer back to him as “my son” because you’ve already said and obviously know his name. For example:
B*A: So JB, how are Dick and Jane doing in school?
JB: Oh, Dick is doing great and Jane has straight A’s.
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B*A: So JB, how are Dick and Jane doing in school?
JB: Oh, my son is doing great and Jane has straight A’s.
The latter is what Ron does….he uses “my daughter” instead of Haleigh’s name and then uses JR for JR.
Wasn’t it interesting that Cobra kept saying “my girl” yesterday when he was referring to his girlfriend. Why didn’t he say Paula?? I guess the “expert” would say that means he sexually abuses her.
I call that BS, I have the feeling she would work his ass over if he even tried! Of course it doesn’t but when it comes to Ron it does. We just need about one more biased “expert” to push me over the edge.
I guess Jan must sexually abuse her son too. Because she says, “my son” or “my baby son” or “my youngest son” when she refers to him too.
NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would believe Jan abuses anyone, ever!!!! Of course that doesn’t mean that.
But when Ron says it, it means he is a pervert who sexually abused his missing 5 year old.
Pathetic!
I dont know if he did or not. My focus is on how he distances himself from actually saying her name and why. Also Misty saying that child or that little girl. And the past tense useage.jmo
Cent, I was just kidding but I truly think you must have a wonderful family.
I was talking about my GrandMother here just the other day. She was 104. She passed away in her sleep just yesterday. I’m really gonna miss seeing her smiling face. I wsn’t kidding about her threatening some of the smart mouth youngin’s with a fry pan though. I never seen her do it but I would have never put it past her neither.
tt y’all later.
And Treece I would think that being two of age adults Cobra and his girl do have sex. And since they are both of age and consenting it would not be abuse. jmo
Hey Guys,any new news,LoL
Dunno how long i can stay b/c.I got the shock of my life yesterday when my birth brother showed up outta the blue,I met him once 16 yrs ago and he just showed up yesterday,LoL
he’s gone right now just looking around,lol so i wanted to see if there has been any changes about Haleigh?
I read the analysis that everyone is talking about, and it was really long and rambling with going back and forth between Haleigh and Caylee’s case. Was way too hard to read and didn’t care for it at all and wouldn’t trust such stuff. It’s only an opinion in my opinion.
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I am sorry you lost your Grandmother!
I know theres no way to say the words that will help you but I hate to hear that~I am truly sorry!
We all need to see this as a tool and not as a magic crystal ball. It holds merit and can be used as an indicator to follow up for more infomation since its pointing to possible deception.JMO BBL
Treece…no one is saying if you call your son “my son” or your daughter “my daughter” that you molest them. That ISN’T what we’re talking about. Calling your girlfriend “my girl” sounds more like a pet name or term of endearment to me anyway.
We’re TALKING about Ron not saying Haleigh’s name when in the same sentence he says “Jr”. He calls JR by name but says “my daughter” when talking about Haleigh.
When you are talking to your family (like Ron was with his mother) you would normally call your child by their name…..not say MY SON or MY DAUGHTER because when you say their name your family would know who you are talking about. However, if I posted a comment on here that said “Bob got hurt at school” you guys would be “Who the heck is Bob?”….Instead I would say “My son got hurt at school” and you would then know who I was talking about. And if you are talking to someone who KNOWS your child’s name and speaks it themself, why is it Ron doesn’t? THAT is what we are talking about along with the use of past tense.
I’m not even talking about the molestation. I’m more concerned with him distancing himself and talking about her like he knows she is dead.
➡ Well is Cobra or is he not going to provide Simon with the audio tape of the telephone convo between Ronald Cummings and Nancy Grace and the calls between Misty and Ron about “he’s on to us”.
everybodys gone,lol I’ll try to come back on and catch yas here!
Why is it that NG never takes calls from men?
Tobias…I agree….it is a TOOL…just like a LDT…something LE can use. I believe it DOES have merit…but you are right…it isn’t a crystal ball. It is merely a TOOL. I wouldn’t send someone to the electric chair based solely on they said “my daughter” for Pete’s sake. But if you REALLY read the things on Peter’s website and how they disect sentences, use of words, uses of tenses (past and present), certain word usage, extent of detail, etc., I believe you can see red flags and that can be useful to LE is determining if someone is lying to them. The way someone acts along with their words have ALWAYS been a factor in who LE was looking at as a suspect. Speech Analysis just explains WHY it is so key and how it can be USEFUL to LE.
Nancy Grace…my guess is most men’s heads explode just watching and listening to her…thus making it relatively impossible (with an exploded head) to make a phone call. LOL JMO
jb, I totally agree and I have used it when my own kids tell fibs. Everyone has at some point.
When you are being lied to you can almost hear it in the words thay are using. This is no different. Just fine tuned. jmo
homespain said Apr 26, 12:18 PM
Simon you are so immature and inappropriate in your responses to Jnet and in your “discussion” stating I have no doubt that some might not agree, my advice to you that do not agree with our experts, is go find a web site or cable channel that fits your needs.” Wow!!! I guess you only want discussions if everyone agrees with you and your panelists. How sad,…. and I thought more of you, very disappointed in you. I have never expected perfection from you but this? So if anyone isn’t in 100% agreement with “you and yours” we aren’t welcome. I’m sure Haleigh appreciates that much. Allot of us are now done with you entirely. That will be Haleigh’s loss due to your small ego. Grow up man. You are head of the chicken coup and now we see why you allow people to stay and post who speak endless dribble, peck other commentators and chase them away with immunity but YOU get rid of honest thinking,posters who disagree with you. Well, using the analysis you have tauted so highly– you have given yourself away– and frankly not done Haleigh any favors either. Shame on you. You need a break or something because you are taking yourselves too seriously, the very thing you blast other “hosts” for doing. How disingenuous you are shame on you!!!!!! This post likely won’t even make it on line, or if it does will be removed.
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Homespain, I don’t know who you are but I do have a comment to what you have said here. First of all if you didn’t like our guest on the show Sunday that is fine. We have not removed or edited anyone’s posts when they didn’t agree with what Peter said for the reason that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but there are some who did enjoy yesterday’s show who also have a right to their opinions too.
We have always allowed one to voice their own opinion in here unless it is done in an argumentative way. Anyone that is a regular in here should know that by now.
I do get flared up once in a while and it doesn’t make everyone happy but I try the best I can to be fair to all that have their opinions even if they don’t agree with my opinion or Simon’s. He was NOT complaining about Jnet’s opinion, he was complaining about their demand for credentials for Peter when he has said it several times what he knew about Peter.
For the most part I enjoyed the show yesterday even if I didn’t agree with the part about calling a child “my son” or “my daughter”. I always say “my son” if I am talking to a stranger that doesn’t know him but when I am talking to family or anyone that knows him I call him by his name. And I am certainly NOT a child abuser in any way, shape or form!!!
No one claimed Peter would be 100% correct in his analysis but we leave it up to the listeners to be the judge. If you don’t agree feel free to voice your opinion but I must ask that you do so respectfully.
When arguments break out it always comes back to someone thinking this sight has changed but think about it…the reason you think it has changed is because someone came in here and said something AGAINST what you personally believe, which is precisely why you are saying the site has changed.
No one wants to think they are wrong, but at times we have to look back and realize that our own opinion isn’t always that at all. NO ONE but those involved in this case know what happened to sweet Haleigh and until the truth comes out for sure we won’t know. When that day comes we will all hopefully be able come to each other and say we are sorry if our own opinions were wrong.
We have to keep holding on to hope that Haleigh will someday soon receive her justice… May God be with her!!!
Jan Barrett
The men in my house can’t even stand to listen to her let alone actually call her. All of us can be in the living room and if I turn on NG they both leave the room.
AMEN JAN!
JB, my hubby would agree, how could he call with an exploded head but he would say more importantly why would he call for more torture.LOL
Tuff stuff, I know you will miss your grandma. What a blessing that she went in her sleep, so peaceful. Will be thinking of you and your family.
LOL I think all the calls are screened before hand otherwise you would have more questions on Ron. The crew takes enough heat from NG like when one kept putting Misty up crying. NG reemed her out during the show. She is over the top and I see her getting replaced soon. jmo
HOPE – LE – same thing at my house…that is why I said I think most men’s heads explode if they see or hear NG. Between the faces she makes (like there is a skunk under her desk or she just ate a lemon) and the eye rolling, repetitive comments, nagging, cutting people off mid-sentence, talking to her “honored” guests like they were children to her bombshells that are bombduds….I can’t watch her either. Thank GAWD for transcripts of her show! LMAO
JB I agree… but if his usage of “my daughter” was in a convo with Cobra… I see nothing wrong with it. Yes, it is odd to refer to Jr. as Jr. and HaLeigh as my daughter. But if he’s talking to folks that don’t know her, I would expect him to use my “daughter”.
Tuff… you’re adopted!!!!
tobias said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
And Treece I would think that being two of age adults Cobra and his girl do have sex. And since they are both of age and consenting it would not be abuse. jmo
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Thank you for that info. in case anyone wondered if they were adults.
It is a fact that there is abuse, including sexual abuse among adults.
My point was that I do NOT believe Cobra is doing that or that Paula would allow it. SO Cobra calling her “my girl” has nothing to do with it. Just as Ron calling Haleigh “my daughter” is NO proof of sexual abuse.
Treece @ 1:10 pm: On the radio show, Cobra is speaking to many strangers who have never met his girlfirend, and don’t know her name.
JB look into the mirror. YOU ARE BEHAVING SANCTIMONIOUS AND OFFER NOTHING HELPFUL in your response, OTHER THAN BEHAVING LIKE A GROUPIE. This is not a personal attack. I am talking about factual behavior.and I am expressing my disappointment of hypocritical behavior. Come on.
Simon and some of his commentators, and posters say some of the most libelous, hurtful things about other people , using the cover of discussion, a blog , or their expertise.
But then anything that offends you, or Simone’s sensitivities, well you then argue this is his home and we are invited guests.
Not really. He presents himself as a reporter, does a public forum, and has a radio show.
I do not take your comments personally or need a thicker skin. I recognize your need to even make that comment is about how your mind works,and about how you think and project what my comments are about, which is an attempt to deflect from the discussion at hand.
Imagine how it feels to those out there subjected to accusations from “this home” – in a public forum? I guess “they” are fair game as they happen to represent the dregs of society.
Imagine if you and your family was the recipient of this type of discussion. The guilty will get their just reward in this lifetime or the next. Have a great day!
Jason said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Vaquera @ 9:49: They were outside (screened porch is outside of the MH).
@ 10:01: “His analysis are almost word for word the same as Mr. McClish.”
That’s to be expected because they’re both doing verbal polygraphy. Peter said “I’ve yet to encounter two analysis works to actually disagree one with another”.
“It’s not like one says ‘deceptive’ and the other says ‘not deceptive’.”
“I’ve yet to encounter that or even read about that. It is more that one picked up A, B, C, D, but the other picked up those as well as E and F.”
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Being on an attached screened porch with a roof on it is not outside. My parents had a screened in back porch with a roof, we were not outside. The temps on the screened porch would not be the same as out in the yard.Mobile homes because of their metal roofs stay warmer than normal houses and a enclosed porch with a metal roof would be the same.
I wouldn’t expect Hyatt’s written analysis be almost word for word like McClish..
We will have to just disagree on these two points 😉
Reguardless of how he is saying it he is talking unemotionally about his child being stuffed in a burrow by gators and bragging about his knowledge in such matters. who does that? I have had nightmares about my children and woke up and knew it wasnt true but still couldnt talk about it.jmo
The point being is that there are some who post ONLY when Ron is being talked about in a negative light. You know who you are and so do many of others. No matter what Ron has done or MIGHT have done, there is always a justification. Those are the Ronettes. The people who don’t seem to really care about Haleigh as much as keeping Ron from being found guilty or culpable. It’s not only true…I’ve proven it to a couple of people. 🙂
Just post something “ugly” about Ron and watch who comes running in to “clear it up”.
As per the “my daughter” statement:
When speaking with people who we are not sure we can trust with our kids, we are hesitant to use their names, like here. When I speak about my children I say “My son” or “my daughter”. As do many others. However, if one of them were missing or suspected to be MURDERED (RON said it himself “stuffed up into a burrow. Probably”) I would use their name. While speaking with my mother or other family member, I would use their NAMES. Both Ron & Misty use distancing language THROUGH-OUT this case. Over & over again…there is something to that. They also, on MANY occasions, use past tense pharasing.
HERE’S a thought…maybe the molestation Misty was thinking about was at the hands of HER family member(s) and not Ron. Maybe it was possible that SOMEONE molested Haleigh, hence MG’s suspicions. If ToC killed her, it wasn’t his first time messing with her, IMO. Sometimes children are killed to keep silent on that topic. So, maybe Misty’s words were really about what Peter thinks they are about, just not about Ron.
ROn was not shooting Hydrocodone into his toesies…..it was OXYCONTIN…..
Cobra mentioned that same phone call from Misty back in March/APril 2009…when it happened. This is NOT new information. Shall I find the article and link it?
WHy do people feel it’s ok to come and post negative comments about Simon, his show, or guests but are offended when he replies with not nearly as much venom?
JB She is the reason I started looking for information on the computer regarding this case. I have never blogged before this, but I have watched her shows for a long time and realized it was time for me to gather the information and think for myself. I want all the facts not just what one has decided to report.
Tuff I am so sorry for your loss!
Just a thought, maybe by then Cobra had met Jr.
Haleigh had only been missing for less than 6 weeks and Ronald had already decided she had been MURDERED….He said it in his own words March-April 2009.
my sons so bright I call him sunny..
Do you really believe Ron or Misty know what a noun is?
They speak so poorly how could anything they say be analyzed in this way and mean anything?
JB said,in April 26th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
STANDING OVATION>>>>> Very well said!
Vaquera @ 2:07 pm:
Yes – I believe the children were outdoors on the porch, but you can believe they were indoors on the porch if you wish.
HGM, I have wondered if that story about Tommy fishing on the ramp came from Misty and not Tommy at all. I wished Cobra would have said whether he asked Tommy if he told that to Ron.
This could be just another story to make Joe the scapegoat? All he had to do was ask Tommy if he ever saw Lake Placid. jmo
tobias said,in April 26th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
ANswer:
“JR is gonna be with me till the day I die…”
He used his name but not Haleigh’s until he finished that train of thought then he said “Just like Haleigh was Daddy’s Little Girl” That was the ONLY time he used her name where he wasn’t discussing the spelling of it and using a visual reference of the tattoo on him.
Also for us 60s is warm but for people in Florida that pretty cool to be out without shirts when you could be inside eating at the table. I would be curious as whether AS went inside the MH since Misty carried the clothes in. jmo
You know with everything Ron was saying to Cobra. Where was the most important? “Please man help me find my daughter or Haleigh” whichever way he wanted to choose to use his words. To me this is what stood out to me! JMO
Hey Holly, good to see you.
Holly do you think there was anything significant to AS statement on NG the other night about she and TN going and searching those woods all afternoon and they did not find anything?
Vaquera @ 2:07 pm: The porch isn’t enclosed. It’s open – screened on three sides.
Heat rises, so heat from a metal roof would go up – away from the porch.
Also – porch roofs block sun rays, so there wasn’t any solar heating of the porch (which you didn’t suggest yet).
homespain….you still here? WHY? I thought you and your bunched up undies were stomping out of the room a long time ago. If you are SO unhappy here…why are you STILL here? You gave us all your sermon…we listened…. now… what is the point of hanging around if you don’t want to discuss the case?
HollysGmom said,in April 26th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
RON said it himself “stuffed up into a burrow. Probably”)
ROn was not shooting Hydrocodone into his toesies…..it was OXYCONTIN…..
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HGM…that is NOT the correct quote and you know it. The way I took the conversations RC had with Cobra were him giving his thoughts and opinions (just like us now) as to what happened to Haleigh. 1. Joe 2. Marie Griffis et al.
I wasn’t aware that RC was shooting hydrocodone anywhere, has this been proven or are we just selecting what we do or don’t want to believe from Misty?
What stands out for me is, that we were allowed to stew and be incensed over a reference to which most of us considered to be a possible murder/suicide threat. Only to find out a few days later that he was talking about his tats!
If I am wrong correct me please!!!
”…Oxycontin, as it is synthetic heroin. Most long time users are rail thin, puke a lot during the day, don’t eat, as their usage makes them sick constantly….. normally smoke (again oxy)… which is very expensive.. hard core opiate abusers turn to heroin, as they can’t afford Oxycontin which goes for 1 dollar per gram, so yes an 80 mg pill is $80!! A hard core addict will go thru 6 to 10 pills a day..” JNet
I just heard Oxycontin referred to as “Hillbilly Heroin” on the FX show ‘Justified’.
So I googled the term and sure enuf – Oxycontin.
But, in defense of JNet – opiate abusers often have problems with digestion – including vomiting – and many are thin – spending $ on drugs and not nutritious foods.
looking:
Hey! good to see you too! I have not seen that episode but have heard others discussing what had been said (breifly). It’s my understanding that they claimed to have gone to the SHell Harbour site PRIOR to the search beginning and had to be told to leave by LE..
Is that what you heard?
The big thing that keeps comming up for me is the LE statement about “first 48-72 hours”. The GGMS “visit” didn’t come out until nearly a WEEK later….does that mean it has no relevance? Didn’t actually happen (just cover story for Misty)? or what? What’s your thoughts on that? ALso, why didn’t Misty mention it in ANY of her attempts to re-count events of that night?
Noreen;
I am not taking that info from Misty…I am taking it from LE & Pat Brown’s statements….EACH a lot more trustworthy then Misty Croslin-Cummings.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
What stands out for me is, that we were allowed to stew and be incensed over a reference to which most of us considered to be a possible murder/suicide threat. Only to find out a few days later that he was talking about his tats!
If I am wrong correct me please!!!
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No you are correct and thankfully Cobra cleared that up yesterday. Cobra said, Ron was referring to his tatoos.
Alot of info came out in thistape if you look at it all. Orlando why was that brought up out of the blue when Cobra asked about drug connections? The gators and the ramp. Misty being unfaithful and the last one with Haleigh yet he loves her and believes her.
To me I see him blaming Joe or Crystal ,anyone else but Misty. Why? He only knew her for 4 months.jmo
Hey, I was the one who emailed Jan and asked her to ask Cobra about it. I still say he was meaning what I thought he said. I’ll send you the clip to listen to again. It DOES sound like that was what he was saying.
You each have had a chance to hear it. Then & now. He said those words. The words by themselves do sound like he was making that reference. At least I was willing to ask Cobra his take on it without insisting my “take” was the only possibility.
HGmom, I totally agree with you that tape did sound like he was threatening or suicidal.
JB @ 2:36 pm: You meant hick, right? (:
What…
What… Ron only ”knew” Misty for 4 months!
It seems really odd to me that Ron & Cobra were talking about killing Haleigh’s abductor/murderer and then Cobra tells him “You better domesticate…you’ve got kids..” and then immediately Ron goes into a tirade of sorts about how Jr’s gonna be with him until the day he dies, even if he’s got to go with him like that. No where did either of them mention that Ronald was pointing at a tattoo until they discuss the spelling of Haleigh’s name.
After all the “kill” talk and violent threats and laguage of abuse from Ron, it seemed like a threat. Sorry if I was wrong. Without knowing Ron was pointing at and talking about his tattoo, it’s hard to know.
I am not insinuating that you betrayed that on purpose. You were very free to share your tape that it was clear enough for me to hear. It was also disturbing to me. I am just thankful that is cleared up.
My frustration that I feel over stating Ron is a sexual child abuser over that bogus bs would be the same frustration if someone said that about Crystal. I DO NOT believe those type allegations should be made with no facts. Period! I would say the same thing in Crystal’s defense.
Thank you Treece….I really was concerned that he had been making a threat of that type.
Hard to believe that Misty, Ron and the other players are all smarter than the dumb ass sheriff’s department.
I am not referring to you HollyG!!
Holly @ 2:41 pm: Homicidal/Suicidal is what I thought when reading your transcript (before Cobra told his impression, and Ron’s looking at the tatoo was included in the transcript). I have an aversion to listening to the tapes as they’re noisy but will force myself to find that section and listen later today.
I’ve been thinking that 2 topics converged.
Topic 1: Misty’s washing. cleaning, covering stuff could be about molestation issues. Her own, Haleigh’s or percieved molestation issues
Topic 2: Ron’s distancing language when using my daughter instead of Haleigh’s name.
These two could both be true but unrelated to each other. I may have forgotten already but I don’t remember Peter saying he thought only Ron could have been the “molester” in question, but I could be wrong…I sometimes am.
Whatever happened to “innocent until proven guilty”?
Holly @ 2:47: Good point about his homicidal thoughts just prior to the statement in question.
Cent;
((((hug)))) Even if we disagree or you were upset with me, you’d still be my bud!
Noreen, it’s just more bs from Pat Brown and her groupies imo.
HGM I really appreciate all the effort you put in to transcribing those tapes for all of us. You even took it a step further and asked for clarification from Cobra (as you stated above) We all know you were after the truth and only helping.
HollyG ((((hugs))) I’m not upset with you, and I don’t totally disagree with ya! I personally felt his comment was/is scary.
tommy said “they want me to lie and say joe did it”..well the pressure worked..tommy said “joe threw her off the pier” hence the search. I hope LE is happy because they created this wild goose chase.
JB…I just got the joke…LOL! Good one!
I don’t know if you think I only show up to defend Ronald or not. There are many more times that I want to post then I do. However, there are times I can’t help but say something when there is a feeding frenzy against Ron based on pure BS. Believe it or not I would do the same thing for you. If I saw someone going on a crazy rant against you as a child molester or some other bogus bs with no fact to go with it I would jump in here and post too.
Everyone knows that I have not believed that Ron hurt Haleigh. But I am for justice for Haleigh whether she is alive or not I want justice and truth to come out. If Ron hurt her I will be ready to gather the stones. Just because I don’t think he did does not mean I want to stone Crystal either. I think they are 2 parents that have messed up and made some mistakes just like most of us have. But I don’t think either one of them killed Haleigh. It gets me crazy in here when there is so much beat the shit out of ROn with no fact. I don’t see why we aren’t all after truth more then claiming a side and crucifying the other one.
YOu know the one’s of us you call the Ronettes are on her trying to put out some of the vicious bs against ROn, you don’t see us on here crucifying Crystal. THere just needs to be some balance here IMO
It would also be nice to have some balance on the Sunday shows. Many times it feels like Jan is the only one that wants any balance. Thank GOd for Jan.
OJ, LE hasnt said what Tommy is saying. For all we know he could be saying Misty.
Oj;
You may be right. It does make me wonder what happened to finally “throw ToC off the cliff”. He was so adamant he wasn’t going to do that…what changed? Now I’m very interested in hearing their calls from that timeframe….any word on when we might get them?
Holly @ 2:52: I’ve heard it said Misty never received counseling after she was the victim of an assault. I don’t want to say anything more here, but wondering if you are aware of the statistics (as though you can decipher what I mean, which I think you may).
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This is NOT JB, it is an imposter
HollyGmom,
I just stopped back in for a second and caught your post @ 2:52 pm.
You said:
“Topic 1: Misty’s washing. cleaning, covering stuff could be about molestation issues. Her own, Haleigh’s or percieved molestation issues”
Instantly I thought about Ron and Misty’s relationship. Misty new that she was a minor, underage and that Ron was an adult.
Her washing, cleaning etc…actions could have simply been related to her relationship with Ron also.
Besides that IIRC it was said that the mh wasn’t exactly tidy to begin with. (Which if that is true is another reason why the beds being made would seem odd and out of place.)
HA HA HA! Oh MY! LOL well yeah I doubt that Misty knows what a verb is sad to say!
Very sad to say really.
However, *basic* language patterning skills are learned at a very young age and do not necessarily require special education intervention.
IIRC though Ron’s Mother and/or GrandMother had glowing words to say about Ron’s level of intelligence.
THAT JB is not me….just a poser.
I’m assuming it is homespain or some other freak with their undies in a bunch pretending to be me.
Treece;
Sorry, no I don’t think of you as one of the “ronettes”. Not for awhile now. Correct inforamtion is always the best information, no matter what. If something is being said or posted that is proven incorrect, we all expect it to be rectified.
I feel I have come to know you better of the past few months and I whole-heartedly beleive you are one of the Haleighettes. Meaning, people who only want the truth for Haleigh…players be d@mned! No matter who did what & when.
IF we are to discuss this or any casewe have to throw idea out, try to make connections, and such. It doesn’t necessarily mean someone is spreading lies about any specific person. Sometimes it’s just a thought or theory or part of a theory. IMO none of this stuff should ever be used in court, or brought in as evidence in a court proceeding. It has no bearing on the facts. It’s just public opinion, not the “truth”.
I could believe that if she had showered.
Most women who have been assualted will shower endlessly.jmo
I found it extremely hard to believe that you would talk like that JB.
Jason: Yes I do and I also know what you mean and yes, it is very possible…50/50 so I hear.
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This Poster is NOT the original JB
Tuff Stuff – I wasn’t even at my desk! LOL…I came back and there were JB posts….LOL…Jan and Simon can tell it isn’t me….just didn’t want YOU guys to think that was me! LMAO
Someone REALLY needs to get a life! 😆
I’m not going to outright say why I knew it wasn’t you because I don’t want to add fuel to the nonsense but it is as plain as day. LOL!
We knew that wasn’t our JB!!!
3:12 post isn’t me either. Anyone who knows me knows I don’t cuss like that. Dead give away.
Imitation is the purest form of flattery….I’m just so flattered someone wants to post as me! ROFLMAO Too funny!
JB, I noticed they were using Tobi earlier. Guess they swiched to you since I showed up.
They watch for when someone leaves and comeon as them returning. When you leave lurk for a little while just to make sure like I do. Most of us know when they do it. jmo
Tobias;
I’ve been screaming foul on Misty’s “JO raped me” claim since it was made public. Had he raped her his DNA would be clearly evident in her underwaer that the LE took the morning of Feb 10. SO was JO’s DNA present? Even showering would not totally remove it from that “region”.
So, did he rape her as she initially claimed or did he just threaten her? Did she really hide beneath a sheet while Haleigh was brutalized & then murdered? If she was in the bedroom with her cell phone while ToC & JO were doing so…what stopped her from picking up that cell and calling 911 while they were busy?
JAN OR SIMON – if you get bored – check out the posts by “JB” 3:12, 3:01 and 2:36…. I’m just guessing here but I think our little friend “homespain” is getting their jollies. Please delete those posts if you would as they were NOT made by me. THANKS IN ADVANCE!
I got them JB… I was working on it before you posted this LOL
Jan Barrett
HollysGmom said,in April 26th, 2010 at 2:36 pm Noreen;
I am not taking that info from Misty…I am taking it from LE & Pat Brown’s statements….EACH a lot more trustworthy then Misty Croslin-Cummings
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HGM,
LE statements? What statements from LE please?
As for Pat Brown, nuff said!
Tobias….thanks for the heads up. LOL TOO funny. Dang posers! LMAO Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya…. 😉
Misty protecting her brother doesn’t wash for me either. Even at 17, I would have given my own life to protect a child’s and would have done anything I could to have killed him/them before allowing it to happen. If I had caught my own brother in such an act, I would have bashed his head in with whatever would have done the job! (Not that he would ever do such a thing, EVER!) I certainly would have called 911 at the very least.
THANKS JAN! U DA’ BOMB! I should have known you’d be on it! LOL So was it homespain or can you tell us? LOL
JB it was a totally different IP so I am not sure who it was.
Jan Barrett
I could have sworn that TJ confirmed that info on a previous radio show. Misty disclosed where and it’s TRUE!
Jan, am I worng about that? Didn’t TJ talk about it right around the time of arrests/ Crystal’s emergancy hearing for JR’s custody?
I guess we’ll all know for sure when the drug case Sunshine docs drop….I feel sure it will be included.
HGM, I dont believe any of that story. I dont even believe wholeheartedly that Joe was even in the MH. This whole story has way too many holes in it to be the truth. One thing that really sticks out is the brick being at the backdoor yet the door isnt damaged. And if the lock(which we now know was taken) was bumped LE would have said forced entry. I dont believe Misty would have let Joe in if its true he molested her at one time. She has said this to set him up as a SO and lead LE to believe that was the motive.
I have to go back and research oxy use again but I believe it alters the sex drive. brb with what I find. jmo
Just heard JVM on HLN repeating that Tommy’s lawyer says that Tommy KNOWS what happened but that he is in no way involved.
Jan…well, thanks for taking care of it. It was a little strange to come back to my desk and find posts from me that I never made! LOL
I don’t care what any of these people are saying honestly. Misty, Tommy, Ron none of them! If they told me it was raining outside I’d have to go outside and check it out for my dang self first!
All jmvho.
CNN – Tommy Croslin’s Attorney states Tommy knows what happened to little Haleigh Cummings but was not involved in her death.
So Werter is even confirming that Haleigh is deceased per Tommy. I would think Werter would want to be very certain he knew that for a fact before he stated that….wouldn’t you guys agree?
Tuff;
It’s my estimation, at this point, that Tommy refused to lie about JO, he DOES know what really happened, and it’s very possible he was not involved.
Tobias;
You are correct. Drug use, especially cocaine, meth, and heroin alter the pleasure centers of the brain. Heavy users lose their drives to eat or have sex. The only prominent drive is for their drug of choice. I’ve seen it happen many times over. Ever wonder why “junkies” are so skinny? They no long feel the need to eat the way non-users do. Many times they will refuse to eat because it lessens the effects of their drug. As a young adult I had a relationship with a cocaine user. He didn’t use when we met but later did. Several months later all he thought about was cocaine. His sex drive completely dried up. The only thing he got excited about was his next “fix”.
Crackbabies are not concieved out of desire. THere are a host of other reasons, desire is not one of them.
JB;
Absolutely! I’m sorry, I wish it weren’t true, but I am sure it is. Haleigh is deceased. WHether an accidental death or intentional murder.
JB yes I would think so. At the same time I would still question the story as to how he arrived at knowing this information and question the story he is giving as to what had happened and most of all I would want to know where Haleigh’s body was placed exactly, if indeed he is telling the truth.
Everyone is anticipating an arrest or arrests but LE would have to sort through the whole thing in order to bring forth a logical conclusion based on fact first before any arrests can be made.
jmo
JB said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
CNN – Tommy Croslin’s Attorney states Tommy knows what happened to little Haleigh Cummings but was not involved in her death.
So Werter is even confirming that Haleigh is deceased per Tommy. I would think Werter would want to be very certain he knew that for a fact before he stated that….wouldn’t you guys agree?
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Agree!
· Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Continue to take Oxycontin and talk to your doctor if you experience ·constipation; ·dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, or decreased appetite; ·dizziness, tiredness, or lightheadedness; ·muscle twitches; ·sweating; ·itching; ·decreased urination; or ·decreased sex drive.
Ialso found out many women have reported an increased sex drive when taking Oxycodone or Oxicontin. Men is the everse and the more you are addicted the worse the decreased sex drive is. jmo
Why did Ron have Misty call 911? If it were me, I would of been on that phone in a heartbeat! Also, why when she was trying to talk to the dispatcher was he in the background screaming about how he wasn’t afraid to go to prison? Strange. I would of been waking everyone in that neighborhood and had them out looking for Haleigh. Who vouched for Ron being at work the whole time? Maybe he clocked in and out, but who says he was there the whole time? I think Misty would do anything in the world for him!
However, Not sure about Tommy. I can’t see Tommy covering for him. I can only see Tommy covering for himself or Misty. And they have multiple phone calls to Misty that night from Ron when she shut her phone off. Im sure they can trace the pings to his work site. I can see a coverup if Haleigh got into drugs, but not if someone harmed her intentionally.
You know, Werter said he isn’t representing Tommy in the Haleigh case….soooooo, does that mean anything Tommy has told him about Haleigh can then be told to LE without attorney/client privilege?
JB said,in April 26th, 2010 at 3:38 pm CNN – Tommy Croslin’s Attorney states Tommy knows what happened to little Haleigh Cummings but was not involved in her death.
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Did he make another statement? All he said on Thursday was that Tommy knows what happened at the home that night, but he was in no way involved.
Has Tommy’s attorney actually used the word ‘death’?
Before I go for now, I just wanted to say thank you to the very kind people who shared condolences.
My GrandMother was a very ~BEAUTIFUL~ woman and I can only hope to be like her.
~Thank you~
bbl
Noreen…. I got that quote from an article on CNN…. let me go see if I can find it again….I’ve read a ton of articles this afternoon so may take me a minute to find the right one.
Well seeing as how Tommy lead them to the boat ramp and LE made the statement that its a homicide I guess its not too far of a stretch. jmo
I guess at this point, they can claim whatever they want as to what happened to Haleigh, because there is no body! There is only the charge of possible (neglect, etc) unless someone admits to murder or rape. Then there is a charge of disposing the body, etc.
Look at Casey Anthony…charged with child abuse, neglect etc. until they ‘found the body’ and can tell it was intentional harm/murder.
Here, there is no body.
http: // http://www.examiner.com / x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d26-Haleigh-Cummings-case-news-Misty-Croslins-family-lawyer-for-Tommy-Croslin-speak-to-media-part-4
You’ll have to take the spaces out….but you’ll see a picture of Tommy and a female cop on the upper left side of the page….has the CNN logo on it….and it says what I posted above….that Tommy’s attorney stated Tommy knows what happened to little Haleigh but was not involved in her death.
Thanks JB
Here is the quote off of CNN:
Jane Velez-Mitchell then remarked upon what may be seen as the most revealing information gleaned from the media coverage of the Haleigh Cummings’ case, “In other words, Tommy knows something. But you`re saying he`s not responsible, but he knows what happened? “
James Werter (Tommy’s lawyer) replied, “Again, I will say, well, I will go with that, yes. I am quite comfortable in you saying that.”
http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examine
Welcome. Could be the media putting a spin on what the atty said I guess….but it clearly says just what I posted above and it SAYS “not involved in her death”
JenM…there’s no body yet…and there may never be a body (alligators). But I HOPE and PRAY LE has got enough and is building a strong case against those responsible. To think of these morons getting away with the death of this beautiful child is more than I can stand! I HAVE to have HOPE!
HGM,
You said, LE made the following statement:-
ROn was not shooting Hydrocodone into his toesies…..it was OXYCONTIN.
Can you please tell me when LE made that statement, do you know where it is please?
Yes, I agree! They aren’t real bright, and they have already accused Joe of rape, etc. So, not sure what would stop them now from using the word murdered.
Thanks JB, media spin is my guess too…..and we all wonder why we’re confused. Too many spins, not only by the media though *sigh*
Iknow Wertner made a live statement that Tommy was not involved but Icant remember if he said in the murder. jmo
Ibelieve it was on JVM but it could have also been on NG. jmo
Well…that is a headline on an article on CNN so if Werter didn’t say it (involved in Haleigh’s death) then he better be clearing up that statement! JMO
Tobias @ 3:30: IIRC, an early rumor was that using a brick to prop open doors while burglarizing was the M O of either Joe, Tom, or both.
Did Misty say that during an interview or the voice analysis?
I’m not sure where it originated, but do recall that it was early on. Can you fill us in on that?
I have a comment and/or question. I would be looking for my child day and night. But if family members searched for Haleigh and did come across evidence wouldn’t they have compromised the evidence/crime scene?
Jason…I’ve heard that said many times and I think I read it somewhere too…can’t remember where – (brick on the door being Tommy’s MO for burglarizing)…but I KNOW I’ve heard/seen it.
All family members were told by LE, not to search for Haleigh.
JB, I thought you made a typo, because I couldn’t imagine you talking about yourself in such a way.
I know people are thinking it was Ron, but seems a really good theory that Joe might of seen or heard about Misty sneaking out for the night to go see white boy greg. Joe took his opportunity at that time (reports are he wasn’t home that night).Maybe he went back to see if he could find the gun that he couldn’t get. Misty had the phone off. Ron called Misty but couldn’t reach her, so he called Tommy. Tommy went over, couldn’t find her, but found the back door open. Misty came home trashed, they freaked out. Misty doesn’t want Ron to know she wasn’t home and Tommy is covering the story for Misty. But Misty is not clear if Tommy could be lying to her, so she kept saying to check out others, even giving history on Tommy’s crimes. So, in her mind, it could of been Tommy or Joe, but either way, Misty might not know the real truth (that is why she wanted to take the lie detectors to see if it would come out, because she can’t remember for sure). I think this is why Tommy is the first to speak, because he can’t hold it in any longer. Maybe he did it and trying to say Joe did? but why would he do that when he knows Ron sent him over there (so that would bust him). He probably told what he knew about Joe from the banks of that river and some talks they had. This led to the searches of the river. Meanwhile, Ron is still asking How could you let my daughter get stole in the middle of the night? Joe’s myspace states: “If you can’t remember, it doesn’t count”.
Jason said,in April 26th, 2010 at 2:16 pm Vaquera @ 2:07 pm:
Yes – I believe the children were outdoors on the porch, but you can believe they were indoors on the porch if you wish.
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That point is one of the most absurd positions I’ve ever heard, I live here in FL remotely close to Satsuma and it was what my 3 kids would consider freezing cold that night. There was no cloud cover, so all the warmth from the days aren’t trapped, it was freaking cold to teenagers and I can’t imagine how cold it must have been to two small children sitting outside and yes I agree even if screened in it is outside. I guess you’d have to be from Florida to understand that 67 or below at night is considered cold.
judithan….It is common for LE to request the family not take part in the search…but there is nothing to stop family from putting up flyers, talking to neighbors, etc. And Ron wasn’t your normal “law abiding citizen” and had made all these threats to kill whoever took his daughter…but didn’t seem to do a lot to try and FIND the person who took his daughter IMVHO.
Jason…well, I may be a lot of things (some of which aren’t nice) but I can honestly say I’ve never called myself that nor have I ever had anyone else call me that. Being female I may be called a B*#$& but not a D#@&! LMAO
JB @ 4:10: If Misty put that out, that sure was mighty helpful of her, wasn’t it?
I just woke up, and there’s a brick holding the door open, and my brother uses bricks to prop open doors when he’s out burglarizing residences, and our daughter is missing.
JenM….I’ve had so many theories they are all starting to blur. I don’t know what to think anymore. But the actions and words of Tommy, Misty and Ron are all suspect to me and I will be surprised if one or all were not somehow involved in her disappearance and/or cover up.
In all my theories, one thing is consistant…the key players. It all just keeps pointing back to them.
Jason….LMAO – well, Misty has pointed the finger and everyone. First thing she did when she got arrested for drugs was start ratting people out, including Tommy, for other crimes. She has loyalty for no one except Ron and herself. I’m wondering when her loyalties to Ron will begin to crumble…or have they already?
****at everyone…not AND everyone! LOL
Things I wish we knew:
1. What evidence LE found in the MH that night.
2. What evidence they got off the door/doors.
3. What was the purpose of the LE visit to Tommy and Lindsey’s that night and why haven’t we seen the report on that?
4. Who was with Grandma when she brought the laundry?
5. I’d like to see the report on all the phone calls that night. Who called who and when did they call.
6. Results on all LDT’s
7. WHAT prompted the search at the river?
8. What was found at the river?
9. Have they truly ruled JO out?
10. Is there a tape of Misty saying to Ron “they” or “He is onto us”?
11. WHERE IS HALEIGH??????????
I agree with putting up fliers,media attention etc. Ann Sykes said on NG that she and TN were at the woods searching before LE started this last search of the woods and river. I just feel that was reckless. I know I would be crazed after this length of time but I wouldn’t want to jeopardize finding the truth of what happened to this child.
JenM,
I caught the potential significance of his myspace page, too! I see it as a reflection of a view that was very important to him when he wrote it in March 2009:
“If you can’t remember, it doesn’t count”.
Misty may have taken a clue from him (or vice-versa), as she can’t remember what happened that night because she was sleeping!
On another one of the threads last night, The Real Armando stated that Friday night (after the search last week) at 230 AM, the police had floaters in the water and pulled up small articles of clothing.
http://www.bloggernews.net/124400#comments
His comments are on this thread from last night.
No doubt Joe has kept himself out of trouble in the past by claiming he doesn’t remember.
Joe’s advice: “If you can’t remember, it doesn’t count”.
Reading, maybe the clothing he saw is evidence.
Comment has been deleted by Editor – Jan Barrett because of name calling. and I do not attack anyone unless they are clearly asking for it. I try to be fair to everyone. My advice to you is that if you don’t like the people in here then be my guest to leave. We have a lot of good people in here that have differences in opinions that make it through the day without fighting with someone because they think differently. It amazes me how some people want to blame the whole group when they have a problem in here. I have only stopped one or two topics in here from the beginning (OK maybe 3) but generally everyone’s opinion is welcome unless they are here only trying to stir trouble and that is the reason I interfere when I do. No one is perfect and that includes Simon and I and everyone else too so please try to remember that.
Nicoleinny I am not looking for credit for anything. My only concern is that Haleigh is found, but by the time this is all over you might just be eating someone’s words because someone just might have the correct theory in here. Maybe, maybe not, I don’t know. I hope we will find out soon though!
Everyone is on edge right now anxiously waiting for this case to come to an end. For those of you that wish to argue, please try to remember that this is all about trying to find out what happened to Haleigh.
Jan Barrett
LOL @ nicole ninny: Brain surgeons hit your raw nerves, evidently!
nicoleinny said,
I have a beautiful life
**********************************Hmmm,where have I heard that phrase before? ohhhhhhh er i know,when did the allow puters in jail?lol
Hi, Cathy Jo! Yay – you still have your c!
Did Misty say that (I have a besutiful life)?
Besutiful? LOL. I’m too much in a hurry – BBL, Cathy Jo.
JB,Now i wonder if maybe she got the couch squeaking from J.r? .or from wherever jr got it from?……couch bouncing……threw it in there maybe? who the hello is gonna sit under a sheet while all that went on?
Noreen said,in April 26th, 2010 at 3:59 pm HGM,
You said, LE made the following statement:-
ROn was not shooting Hydrocodone into his toesies…..it was OXYCONTIN.
Can you please tell me when LE made that statement, do you know where it is please?
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I’m not HGM, but this is what I found regarding that. I don’t understand it either or where it came from. I found this on another site posted by someone. These posts below are two seperat e posts >>>>>>>>>
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{{{{{Peter stated if you are using alot of drugs and stop alot of weight gain… Ron must of put on 20 lbs doesn’t even look the same..
After Ron pulled down his pants in front of Cobra and pulled his pants up. Cobra asked him to
take off his sunglasses Cobra looked at his eyes and Ron was high as a kite.
Ron shooting oxecodone in between his toes
Ron is more violent than what everyone thinks..
When Misty was with WBG why did Ron take her back?
He thinks drug trafficing and prostitution is involved..}}}}}}
[[[[[[I think Peter Hyatt thought Ron was talking about getting shots of heroin in his toes.
… but he was talking about getting it in the THE TOOLS…
… that`s when Ron pulled his pants down and showed Cobra his garden weasel!
He made Cobra blush.
That is a huge feat in and of it self!]]]]]
Jason,lol yea but my brother i havent seen in 16 yrs showed up outta the blue yesterday,he is my biological brother.he was adopted out in Minnesota,me in Ky and we met once 16 yrs ago,so been catching up with him,I am shocked he came,lol had lost touch since that time but i knew him the 2nd he got out of his car,lol
He’s 46,I’m 47,lol So good to see him,thats the only reason I havent been on much!!!!!!!! I sure miss yas tho and I’ll be checking in,just don’t want him feeling like i don’t have the time for him,ya know!
Armando says that they were doing that at the river at 230AM Friday/Saturday morning after the search ended. He said he was there til 5 AM and is just now reporting that. Don’t know.
Clothes could belong to anyone that uses that area.
My God,ain’t no way I’d pulled mine down,lol
Right Reading,I’m sure alot of ppl go there,it’s florida…florida and water go together,lol imo
said,in April 26th, 2010 at 4:17 pm Jason…well, I may be a lot of things (some of which aren’t nice) but I can honestly say I’ve never called myself that nor have I ever had anyone else call me that. Being female I may be called a B*#$& but not a D#@&! LMAO
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It ain’t what people call ya,It’s what ya answer to thats important!jmho
Can someone please clarify the stuff about the oxycodone/toes and pulling pants down? Did that happen? TIA
What about Ron’s ex (the one with the little boy of his?). I read where she is the one with a motive to do something to Haleigh or to get someone else to do something, just to get back at Misty. Reportedly Misty told her, “I got your man and I will have your son next”. Nay Nay and her are buddies. She could of been in on the plan to get Misty out of the house that night.
Also, what about them finding a set of keys near the property that day and they actually fit Nay Nay’s car? Strange.
Reading,I am almost certain it did,did you check the cobra transcript thread here on BNN?
i DO KNOW cOBRA FOUND A SET THAT FIT NAYNAYS CAR AND HE TOOK THEM TO LE BUT THEY REFUSED TO TAKE THEM,SOMEONE MAY CONFIRM BUT I AL ALMOST 100% ON THAT!
Sorry caps,lol
Jen,i think it was Amber Brooks,yes but not sure about all the other you asked but Misty did say that on myspace to her,if i am not mistaken?
What is a fireside chat with LE? It sounds uncomfortable.
someone plz answer me,lol is there really a tape of Ron saying,they’re on to us???
LoL Dusty,i don’t have a clue!!!!!!!
We all know Ron goes into very hostile denial about his drug use. Remember Geraldo asking him about it? Does it matter now? No since we saw on the UC tapes he is taking one by mouth and asks the UC if he has coke when the UC sniffles. In my opinion Ron was way into drugs and always has been. As is most of the others.
I also believe most of his family knew it but were in denial about how bad it was. And by his actions when it is brought up I can see why they chose not to bring it up. He needed help and the kids needed it more. So very sad. jmo
Cathy, Cobra says he has one but we have not heard it yet. Dont know if he is gonna let us either. jmo
I reread it. Cobra says that Ron looks like he isn’t scared of needles. Ron says does it look like i’m tracking huh huh, you sure. Cobra says nah.
Cobra then says that him and men down in Miami get the heroin shots in their “tools” apparantly. He tells Ron that he doesn’t have to show him. Ron says he will show him the underside of his “tool sack”.
Is that right? Where did someone get the impression that Ron admitted getting shots in the toes???? I do NOT read that.
thanks for the many kind comments.
I, too, refer to my daughter as “my daughter” many times. I don’t know if I know of any dad who doesn’t.
We simply don’t realize how much we reveal of ourselves as we speak (or type).
In one class for, an experienced investigtor came to me after, shook my hand, and complimented the teaching. Then he asked me a personal question. I was taken back, and asked why he was asking (I answered a question with a question; showing sensitivity) but he showed me how I had “leaked” out this sensitive information, simply based upon what he had learned 2 hours earlier! He picked it up from a sentence, and the difference was one single word. He thought the person referenced may have been deceased, but he wasn’t; but a falling out some years back had left it almost in that state.
I told him that although the person was alive, he may have well not been, with regards to me, as we had not spoken in quite some time.
I confirmed that his quick, on the fly analysis, was correct, in essence.
That night I picked up the phone and put some healing balm on a relationship that should never have had become “dead” to me.
I admire the intelligence of the investigator’s ability to translate theory into practice in 2 hours.
I’m thankful as the restored friendship now remains strong.
We all leak out more than we realize; the question is:
Is anyone listening?
Thank you again for the kind comments on yesterday’s program.
I get the impression that everyone walked on egg shells around Ron. From what his Grandma said about it being his house and she couldnt do anything but be mad made me think they had words but for the kids sake she backed down.
I can see her feeling like her hands are tied, she does everything she can to make the kids lives better right down to doing the laundry so they have nice clothes.Classic denial. jmo
Aah, Cathy Jo, that’s wonderful to hear! I’ll bet seeing him again is quite a nice surprise, wow – especially after all the years. You’ve probably got so much to talk about with him!
Tobias, @ 6:18 pm: “I can see her feeling like her hands are tied.” My thoughts, too – as though she felt powerless.
Hollysgram,
you are correct in your assessment.
We all refer to our children in this manner. We also use their proper names, knicknames, etc.
In the context of a missing child case, the emotions are running high.
The absence of Haleigh’s name is indicative of child abuse.
Child abusers have a difficult time using their child’s name.
Cobra was more comfortable saying “Haliegh” than Ron was.
When a child is known to be deceased, parents will often continue to use knicknames, terms of endearment, as well as proper names. They will say “my daughter” often.
My point is only in context:
It is a red flag for child abuse when a parent avoids using a child’s name, repeatedly. It is a subtle distancing and de-personalizing of the name.
With the many comments about the many things discussed in the show, it is certainly interesting to me that one person was able to report things as “facts” (without evidence or even a hint of evidence) and zone in on one single word.
http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com
I used Seamus O Riley (a pet name) because my wife was concerned about security issues and anonymous posters becoming angry. She even thought it not wise to keep the old posts with pictures of us, and our children, on it.
I didn’t think that would be a concern.
Have we, as a nation, changed this much that difference of opinions would cause anger that might raise concerns?
When I saw the original poster writing his “facts”, I thought that, perhaps, I was wrong to drop the pseudo blog name and utilize my own name, and that my wife was correct.
I’m still not sure.
I appreciate different opinions and, regarding the case of Haleigh Cummings, am still formulating opinions.
I ignored Ronald Cummings for the most part because police said that he had passed a polygraph and was at work…
Also, I knew from the beginning, because of my work, that the 911 call was deceptive. This implicates the caller, Misty Croslin.
I attended a seminar, years ago, where we watched the police interview of a woman who had killed her child.
I kept a check list of each name she used.
“she”
“her”
“that girl”
“the girl”
“my daughter”
were the most frequently used names. In fact, in the 2+ hour police interview (in which LE did a great job) the ONLY time the child’s proper name was used was when the police used it, and the murder suspect (since convicted) reflected it back to the detective. In her own statement (without reflection) she did not use the child’s name.
After the break, we then had a woman speak who was teaching about Shaken Baby Syndrome.
She spoke for almost the same length of time, and with the hundreds in attendance, there was not a dry eye in the place.
She not only frequently slipped into present tense (he had been dead for over a year) but she rarely and appropriately used pronouns; and as I made the checklist, it was a stunning tally:
over and over she used phrases like, “my little monkey, my special guy, Jake, Jakey, Jacob, my darling,” and so on.
Cobra engaged Ronald Cummings, a year ago, in a discussion about his daughter, Haleigh. At this point, he was still pleading for her safe return.
His absence of the use of her name was not only stunning, but revelatory.
I stand with LSI on this teaching:
It is difficult for those who abuse or neglect a child to use the child’s name, and easier to say “my daughter” or a variety of pronouns.
Listen to Marc Klass talk about Polly.
He will say “my daughter” as well all do. But you will hear him say, “Polly” repeatedly. It is an intimacy he carries around with him.
After his daughter was killed, he did slip into present tense language.
We all say “my son” or “my daughter” but if your child was missing and all of America knew her name, and you could talk about her disappearance and NOT use her name, it would certainly be a red flag.
@Reading, the part about injecting toes was said by Cobra in the radio program WHILE they were discussing that part about the transcript. I think it was just an observation not directly related to the ACTUAL words on transcript. You’d have to listen to the show to get where that was said. hope that helps. It was cobras assumption above and beyond the transcripts themselves while he was talking away. His last reference in the final 5 minutes of the programm were very revealing. IMO, I found the program to be so-so this week until that last 5 minutes. Its worth a listen if you want to fast forward.
Could someone go back and find the statement about Misty talking to DCFS because I believe that may be where I remember Misty saying he shotthe drugs betwen his toes. Cant be sure but it could be.jmo
I do remember it being said before now and just cant remember exactly where. jmo
tobias,yes, probably where it originated from.. I’m just referring the poster to this weeks discussion acout it on the radio program bcz they were wondering why it was being discussed all of a sudden. I agree it was probably said Waaaaaay earlier in the case ny one of the players involved.
It really doesnt matter since there are many ways to get the drug into your system without shooting it. Some crush the pills and insert them anally. You name it they do it. jmo
Yep, i agree
Hi, Peter!
When you have a chance, would you take a look at Joe Overstreet’s myspace page (his last login was March 08/2009), and give your analysis of it – particularly the heading “If you don’t remember it, it don’t count!” and Mood: high.
Hope you will! TIA if you do!
http://www.myspace.com/380818970
Peter have you analysed Chelseas statement about the van. The video where she talks about how it was scratched and parked wrong? I would like to hear if you feel she was telling the truth or being deceptive.
it just shows how WEIRD and ‘Zombied Out’ these ppl are. Dropping pants to show someone and in a public place. Even in private I’d be embarrassed if someone tried to do that in front of me. I can see why Cobra was uptight about that. I think he saw the true awkward nature of these ppl at that point and realized the case was amiss from the get go. What an embarrassment these ppl are to society. These CREEPs , even if not involved in her death, should be locked up for what their CUREENT CRIMES are ,to keep ’em off the street and away from other law abiding citizens for the safety of all. These ppl are like little boys playing cowboys and gangsters or gangsters and indians with REAL guns. ppl in satsuma should feel wary living in that town ! I also think Rons ‘supposed’ fear of JO has nothing to do with his stature. Its his crazy mind and wielding of guns by an immature kid that he’s afraid of. Everyone knows a gun is an eqaulizer in the hands of a smaller person. and an intimidator to those that pretend to be powerful with one. Scary to think these are the ppl exercising their 2nd amendment rights. Wonder if any of them are licensed or registered? Take these ppl in on gun violations if not.
On NG, Annette for some reason explained what she DIDN’T do: wash the adult’s clothes, or the household laundry.
Remember the video of Ron in jail talking to Annette about his boxers?
Maybe he went on an on about washing his boxers (the jail gave him 2 pairs IIRC), because he knows Annette is big on clean laundry.
Misty talked laundry, Ron talked laundry, and most recently, Annette talked laundry.
Maybe Peter or someone else would care to analyze all this laundry talk.
7, Ron is licensed to have a carry and conceal.
I do see your point but many people have guns who are responcible with them. It is a constitutional right and I cant see discussing it any further.jmo
Maybe its about airing their dirty laundry lol.
Does seem wierd though. jmo
One thing jumps out about the laundry drop off is why wouldnt she have picked up the dirty laundry while she was there? You know drop off clean and pick up the dirty laundry. hmmmm. jmo
tobias,
if you have a transcript, I would be glad to run it.
I don’t have time to do audios and the requests as http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com have been coming in more and more.
I can cut and paste and use the software, but it still warrants some commentary as the software only picks up red flags in general.
let me know,
Peter
Also GGMSykes said they put the shirts on them. She would have known what Haleigh was last seen wearing. And it was not the pink shirt she wore to school that day. jmo
On NG, Annette offered an ‘explanation’ for her doing Haleigh and Butterbean’s laundry [doesn’t like stains], and stressed she did not do the adult’s or household laundry.
NG asked her about the evening of Febr 9, but never asked her to explain why she did the children’s laundry.
Maybe Annette perceived people would think poorly of Ron and Misty not taking responsibility for washing the children’s clothes.
I think it is a helpful, supportive behavior on Annette’s part.
She doesn’t have to explain, and I wish she didn’t feel she had to defend her actions.
Thanks Peter I am not good at transcribing and could mess it up. But thanks for responding to my question.
Hello Peter,
Thank you for chiming in on this case. I always find different types of analysis very interesting.
I was wondering if you would be willing to share your Curriculum Vitae with us. I’m very interested in what type of education is required for the type of work you do with LE (and also teaching, I believe you’ve mentioned), as I find it fascinating. That would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! 🙂
Also, is statement analysis something that is used/admissible in Court?
Thank you again!
tobias, my last comment was in general not to you. i wasn’t saying noone should have the right to carry a gun.. i just think its crazy that these happen to be the ones who excercise that right. These are the individuals who make NRA advocates look bad. Not all gun owners choose to show off guns on myspace in gangsta’ form. Most responsible gun owners’lock’ their firearms in cases and don’t choose to hide them in ditches like these irresponsible fools. As you said i wont discuss it any further. I can see my one line about guns could cause some to get upset over it regardless of how foolish they all are about using , stealing, and not securing them.
am I allowed to say respectfully that I disagree with Mr Hyatt.
I don’t know who harmed HALEIGH, I do hope that LE is on top of things. My sincere wishes is that all the hoopla and drama calms down so that LE can do their job. Find TRUTH & JUSTICE for HALEIGH!
I understand your point but I still think Tommy was the one who stole the gun and put it in the ditch. He has a propencity(spell) for it since he has stolen two since then.
Joe has no priors for stolen guns just a car.jmo
Cathyjo – it’s supposedly Misty saying it to Ron on speaker phone. Cobra had a wire on and Art Harris was sitting right there too.
Why isn’t it being broadcast high & low?
never said which one stole , and which one chooses to misuse for the sake of pretending to act powerful on myspace.. just that each seems irresponsible in their own unique ways.jmo
Peter, my intention here is not to attack you but I am very disturbed over the way the slant went so against Ron yesterday. Just as I would be upset had the same thing happened to Crystal. I am appalled that as complicated as this case already is that you would label the parent of a missing child as sexually abusing them based on the way you read a few words. To me that is so unprofessional and totally cold to a grieving Father. No one knows who is guilty in this case. No one has been charged. For the sake of argument let’s give Ron the benefit of the doubt that he is innocent. You, on live radio labeled him a sexual abuser of his missing child. It amazes me the length people will go to promoting themselves. Be thankful Ron is NOT my son, you would have already heard from my lawyer.
anyway tobias, whats your take on those blankets, just to get away from the gun issue. Are they signicant or not. I think her speech about them clearly says those blanklets are a piece of the puzzle that could help bring a result.
tobias…, wait….’just a car…. JUST a car.
I think and this is just my opinion but she had to come up with a reason why she had to wash them.
LOL, i missed that part when I first read it. He only steals CARS so i guess I should give him the benefit of the doubt that he would never do anything like steal a gun. just cars. LOL.. I’m just jokin with ya. I thought that staement was funny after I reread the post.
i think so too. it was an alibi for whatever reason.
especially so late at night.. she just happened to start her daily chores at oh… around 2 or 3 am.. is that a normal time to do the laundry. wasnt the washer going when LE got there? I guess starting at 8 or 9 was not enough time to finish by 3 am. crazy !
treece said,in April 26th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Peter, my intention here is not to attack you but I am very disturbed over the way the slant went so against Ron yesterday. Just as I would be upset had the same thing happened to Crystal. I am appalled that as complicated as this case already is that you would label the parent of a missing child as sexually abusing them based on the way you read a few words. To me that is so unprofessional and totally cold to a grieving Father. No one knows who is guilty in this case. No one has been charged. For the sake of argument let’s give Ron the benefit of the doubt that he is innocent. You, on live radio labeled him a sexual abuser of his missing child. It amazes me the length people will go to promoting themselves. Be thankful Ron is NOT my son, you would have already heard from my lawyer.
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An excellent post, I concur, I was sick too when I heard that, absolutely unreal, I do hope the family seek some sort of legal advice, the rumors that people are now spreading as FACTS all over the internet are libelous; as you say, poor Jr. is going to see all this CRAP one day, I cannot believe what people will say and do….it’s shameful, absolutely disgusting.
I would worry more about what Junior thinks about his dad selling drugs and being in prison then reading what complete strangers wrote. But that is just my opinion. good night ladies.
JB— YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF FIXATI0N ON ME DON’T YOU? i AM NOT GETTING MY JOLLY’S WRITING IN YOUR NAME- FOR WHAT PURPOSE? I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOUR RIDICULOUS COMMENTS{ THAT I COPIED AND PASTED FROM YOU BELOW}- ACCUSING ME OF THINGS AND DENIGRATING ME.
YOU REALLY LIKE MAKING ACCUSATIONS TOWARDS PEOPLE HUH???
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO I am??? HOW’S THIS- I AM AN ACTUAL SURVIVOR OF A REAL KIDNAPPER. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?…YOU ARE VERY CHILDISH.
WELL I MUST HAVE GOTTEN YOU ALL’S GOAT I GUESS- YOU LIKE TO ACCUSE PEOPLE OF THINGS WITH IMPUNITY BUT DO NOT LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE PUT A MIRROR IN YOUR FACE
And you Jan playing along with jB which show’s your true colors you go off on me about allot of stuff i never posted about and when jb does post, very inappropriately i might add, you respond as if it’s nothing. You Jan easily can find my e-mail address, in fact i have provided it to you before, and my IP address always is from the same place. So remaining silent and going along with jp is ok, accusing me of things is ok but no one stands up to you. or else.
I stand by all I have said. You do have some good people here but you are more and more alienating good people away. I am only one of many. I won’t write back
again, as you said there are better places, and more appropriate ways to do things than with people like you. I am ashamed of you Jan- you didn’t used to be like this but you are this way now and have gotten a superiority attitude. Not good. JB you are a real flake. I have no respect for you any more. good riddance.
JB said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
JAN OR SIMON – if you get bored – check out the posts by “JB” 3:12, 3:01 and 2:36…. I’m just guessing here but I think our little friend “homespain” is getting their jollies. Please delete those posts if you would as they were NOT made by me. THANKS IN ADVANCE!
JB said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
THANKS JAN! U DA’ BOMB! I should have known you’d be on it! LOL So was it homespain or can you tell us? LOL
I didnt like what Pete said either, but I don’t think he ever presented as FACT. I think he omly mentioned that these type of distancing statements CAN sometimes mean abuse. I think they idled on that too lomg myself, but I never felt as though he was presenting as fact.
tobias said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
I would worry more about what Junior thinks about his dad selling drugs and being in prison then reading what complete strangers wrote. But that is just my opinion. good night ladies.
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Surely you are not serious. You would be more concerned about your grandchild knowing your son did drugs then if he molested his daughter?? Please!!! It is a fact that Haleigh and Junior’s mom and dad have messed with drugs!! It is bogus rumor to say that their father molested Haleigh.
I said I would worry more about the facts than with what was blogged.I said nothing about sexual abuse. jmo
tobias said,in April 26th, 2010 at 8:38 pm I said I would worry more about the facts than with what was blogged.I said nothing about sexual abuse. jmo
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There is no facts at this point right? jmo
tobias said,in April 26th, 2010 at 8:30 pm I would worry more about what Junior thinks about his dad selling drugs and being in prison then reading what complete strangers wrote. But that is just my opinion. good night ladies.
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Good Point Tobias, I agree, the poor children, His Grama Griffis busted for selling drugs, his Dad busted for selling drugs, his Mom, his Mom’s boyfriend, his Grandfather – drugs. It’s all so sad.
And yes I would think its worse to know your father thought more about drugs than you and your welfare. Ron put himself in the situation with the drugs and the selling of them and this affects his sons life. So lets not blame the bloggers for anything other than what it is speculation. jmo
I have to agree Junior has a lot to deal with.
Lets just hope his mother can do better than his father did. jmo
tobias, I know you are not stupid. You are aware of what rumors do to people. Of how kids tease and aggravate other kids from BS based on rumors.
This is a public blog about a case that has had national attention and it will come to haunt Jr.
That is my point. Crystal and Ron’s drug use or lack of will be for them to deal with. Labeling someone a drug user is way less hard to deal with or live down than an incestuous child abuser. I don’t believe for 1 minute that you wouldn’t be right beside me in line at the lawyers office if that had been aimed at your son.
tobias said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
I have to agree Junior has a lot to deal with.
Lets just hope his mother can do better than his father did. jmo
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Yes, let’s hope that, and hope that for the 1st time in his life that he is a priority to her.
Yes, tobias let’s hope she passes the next drug test unlike the last 3 she has flunked. Yes, let’s hope she does better.
Something 7 said,in April 26th, 2010 at 8:34 pm I didnt like what Pete said either, but I don’t think he ever presented as FACT. I think he omly mentioned that these type of distancing statements CAN sometimes mean abuse. I think they idled on that too lomg myself, but I never felt as though he was presenting as fact.
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He may NOT have presented it as fact, but read all the twitters going around the net right now stating it as FACT. Mr. Hyatt said he had corresponded with Pat Brown, that’s probably where he got the idea from originally as he stated he hadn’t really analyzed RC’s statements.
I came in the door… I’m going right back out!
Calm down people! This is just a forum for people to share their ideas and opinions.
I think Jr will have more things to worry about than looking at pages and pages of 20yr old archives about his dirt bag of a sperm donor. Hopefully someone will come along in his life and break this terrible cycle and help give his life some purpose.
Thank God good old Nancy Grace didn’t have any
“bombshell” news on this tonight. She probably needed to take a step back after the news broke of her legal defense aid for her bff Ron.
Justice for HaLeigh.
He hadn’t really analyzed RC’s statements but makes those kind of accusations. Heinous!!
Yes Tobias, I would also be pissed if Peter Hyatt had made these ludicrous accusations about Crystal.
I sincerely hope Crystal gets her act together and keeps it that way and has a very happy successful life but she certainly does NOT have a history to prove it.
imo.
It’s been obviously more that people are interested in leveling out the blame game than they are at genuinely protecting Jr.
That isn’t just sad imo it’s pathetic.
beautiful adam cent, you are always a joy to see. Don’t leave. I am already sick and I think off my soap box so it’s all yours.
Why doesnt anyone have a problem when its Joe being accused or is that different because its Ron thats being accused now? I dont know if he did or not and never said it but I also never asaid Joe did either. But I dont see anyone backing Joe up on here. jmo
He may be totally innocent and now its all over National TV because of NG and his Grandmother. Would you feel the same compassion for him as you do Ron ? nO ONE CAME TO THIS GUYS DEFENSE WHY? JMO
For what it’s worth, here’s my take on the Cobra/RC tapes.
Cobra was analyzing, he was in agreement with RC hoping to gather info.
RC was throwing theories out…1. Cousin Joe, 2. Crystal and Child Support, 3. Marie Griffis.
RC had 3 different thoughts as to where ‘his daughter’ was.
Cobra said he had tried to contact LE 87 times, yet they wouldn’t take his calls. RC then offers to call John Merchant and get him ‘there’ right then. Cobra seemingly ignored that offer. Why?
I haven’t made any comment about Joe, but LE did clear him on Feb 26th, They then redacted that statement and declared EVERYBODY was a suspect.
I do question where he was from 1:00 a.m., (Cobra says on the tape that Timmy told him Joe was missing at 1:00 a.m.) until Chelsea and Timmy received the call at 4:00 a.m.
treece said,in April 26th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Peter, my intention here is not to attack you but I am very disturbed over the way the slant went so against Ron yesterday. Just as I would be upset had the same thing happened to Crystal. I am appalled that as complicated as this case already is that you would label the parent of a missing child as sexually abusing them based on the way you read a few words. To me that is so unprofessional and totally cold to a grieving Father. No one knows who is guilty in this case. No one has been charged. For the sake of argument let’s give Ron the benefit of the doubt that he is innocent. You, on live radio labeled him a sexual abuser of his missing child. It amazes me the length people will go to promoting themselves. Be thankful Ron is NOT my son, you would have already heard from my lawyer.
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good post, I concur
I agree with TrialJunkie………….enough of the rumors and garbage, it’s time for the TRUTH & JUSTICE for this beautiful little girl, Haleigh. The circus needs to leave town.
Let them fry, so be it!
Noreen said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:03 pm For what it’s worth, here’s my take on the Cobra/RC tapes.
Cobra was analyzing, he was in agreement with RC hoping to gather info.
RC was throwing theories out…1. Cousin Joe, 2. Crystal and Child Support, 3. Marie Griffis.
RC had 3 different thoughts as to where ‘his daughter’ was.
Cobra said he had tried to contact LE 87 times, yet they wouldn’t take his calls. RC then offers to call John Merchant and get him ‘there’ right then. Cobra seemingly ignored that offer. Why?
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Poor Ron, I’m sure it was so hard on him to stand around talking chit like the thug he is and so coldly telling Cobra that he thought Haleigh was in the river and then with no emotion whatsoever goes straight into telling him how gators handle their prey………bragging etc.
Poor BB having to grow up hearing how coldly his dad talked about his sissybug from his sperm donor. What a piece of trash
I’ve only just found Simon and Levi’s shows in the last few weeks but have found that their guests have all brought things to the table to encourage conversation and discussion.
I’m from the midwest so, not too familiar with Florida’s criminal justice law but, what about the grand jury? Why don’t they turn this bunch of liars over to a grand jury to see what they can come up with? Has it been discussed? It’s all sealed testimony, right? LE could still keep it quiet.
Just a thought
tobias said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:02 pm He may be totally innocent and now its all over National TV because of NG and his Grandmother. Would you feel the same compassion for him as you do Ron ? nO ONE CAME TO THIS GUYS DEFENSE WHY? JM
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Maybe cause no one thinks he gulity. jmo
Tobias, I guess it’s because this is in relation to a father/daughter. It’s that plain and simple… at least for me it is.
And there is no PROOF! Yet, some “professional” wants to throw that out there. That’s where the problem is… for me that is!
And to top it off there is no proof Joe molested Haleigh except Mistys story but its all over the news. I dont see any of you worried about his life being ruined if the alligations are false. All you care about is Rons image on a blog. Get off the soap box and get real. Idont agree that Ron abused Haleigh and I dont believe Peter did either its just what you thought you heard. jmo
Noreen. Fry them? For what?
Beast said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:14 pm Noreen. Fry them? For what?
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For whatever has happened to Haleigh, be it the worst, or be it her being hidden.
Does that include Ron if its proven he is the guilty party? Just asking since you are willing to fry the ones who did it. jmo
Tobias, I don’t understand your “soap box” comment! I don’t have to defend any of the players. I call it like I see it! That means, that if tomorrow Joe was the topic, and I felt that he didn’t do anything to anyone, then I will state that!
I find it funny those who defend the father are leaving this blog !!! It is because they are tired of defending the indefensible ???!!! Is it because , after all this time , their theories are beyond any common sense ???!!! Is it because that there are some good honest theories put out by the majority of people here and putting some sense into them ???!!! Only the weak minded turn and run away !!! From day one I’ve known the ex-newlyweds have been lying !!! The father’s family has been lying from day one covering up for their grandson/son !!!
treece, i agree on one thing but not the other… when ppl are blogging and speculating its one thing ( all are able to state their opinions ), but to become part of the panel on the radio show ( where only a SELECT few panelists are allowed to state their opinions ), they should watch their choice of words more clearly bcz now they have put themselves farther into the case than just merely sitting at their personal comp and blogging away. I agree it went on too long , but I don’t think he ever presented as fact. I think he said it showed a (possibility) of abuse. If he really does have credentials and puts himself into the case by being a panelist he should refrain from going on so much about his personal speculation bcz his credentials in staement analysis might make it seem more factual than it really is. I still don’t see it as libelous but it possibly bordered on it since he brought his professional aspect to the table and presented it as such. There’s too many ppl putting themselves in the middle of the case especially 14 months into it. Everyone cannot seem to just blog , they feel the need to go over and above to promote themselves beyond a normal site blogger. But it’s Simons show and he can invite whoever he wants for our ‘entertainment’, so to speak. I hardly think its entetrtaining ,anymore than it is frustrating bcz its about a missing girl ! and ppl want answers and CLOSURE ! I appreciate his insight but I also think he should watch to make sure he presents it as his opinion since he is not a paid professional of this particular case. Or maybe he is. WHO KNOWS . Still would not call it libelous , though.
tobias said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:21 pm Does that include Ron if its proven he is the guilty party? Just asking since you are willing to fry the ones who did it. jmo
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Yes, it most definitly does.
BA, I was just making the point that so many are worried about Ron being accused when no one has worried about Joe being falsely accused.
You know the guy deserves the same treatment and fairness that others give to Ron.
Yet its spread all over thae Naion on TV that he abused Haleigh and no one is outraged at all. I see this as being unfair. I dont know if anyone abused her and neither does anyone else there is no proof.
jmo
@ Something 7 said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
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Very well said!!!
I dont think people would have a problem if it was Joe he was talking about. Again I ask where is the out rage of someone being accused without proof on National TV? JMO GOODNIGHT EVERYONE.
Tobias, yes Joe does deserve some fairness… I think since there hasn’t been much info on him, people are unsure. For now I will say the same thing about him, there is NO proof!!
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Jmo, when this case is resolved, however it ends up, I think several people quite rightly will be sued, and several will be folks who were guests on the show.
Good-Night Tobias!
tobias, Joe has been accused by Misty and/or Tommy, 2 known liars. I am not too worried about their accusations. Ron being called that on a radio show by an “expert” is a different story.
Besides there is nothing more disgusting then it being a Father/daughter relationship.
You talk about bias on here and I don’t know anyone that crucifies Ron while excusing Crystal more then you.
aND THE ONES WHO ALLOWED THEM THEIR PLATFORM ON WHICH TO ACCUSE. JMO
Jan Barrett, Simmon, TJ, Cobra and group,
Thank yall for doing all you do for Haleigh our precious little Angel that has touched all of us in some way. I dont listen to the show cause its too hard too and sometimes it so hard to read the blogs cause of the fact it is heart breaking so many lies, that you have no idea who is telling the truth unless it smacks them in the face. It breaks my heart that the only ones that cares about Haleigh and keeping her name out there is all of you and the group. We may not agree with each other but we all are here for one precious Angel Haleigh. I would love to think she is alive but for this case to go on so long it doesnt look like it. Its very sad cause people are so ungrateful that they have no idea what they have in front of them. It breaks my heart when children goes missing and 100 percent of the time it is by the parent or a sex offender. Its heart breaking. I admire you guys who reach out and do these shows. I cant stand NG at all she is a pain in the butt but when I dont listen to your show I normally can see what was said by what you bloggers write on here it pretty much sums it up. Its okay if we dont agree it happens. But one thing we all want Justice for Haleigh she deserves that much and more. May God bless you all.
heyitsmekelly said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm I find it funny those who defend the father are leaving this blog !!! It is because they are tired of defending the indefensible ???!!! Is it because , after all this time , their theories are beyond any common sense ???!!! Is it because that there are some good honest theories put out by the majority of people here and putting some sense into them ???!!! Only the weak minded turn and run away !!! From day one I’ve known the ex-newlyweds have been lying !!! The father’s family has been lying from day one covering up for their grandson/son !!!
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I agree, I can’t imagine defending Ron’s actions that led to her demis whether directly or indirectly, but then to knowingly leave BB around Misty is worse than indefensible it’s pathetic and tragic. Maybe they identify with him, maybe there son is a thug dope boy too. Don’t know, but I watched forever while they sat around trying to pin this on the Sheffiels side taking her and moving her around because they thought Peggy Cone was giving them inside tips, and listening to maggot @ss Tim Holmseth and his absurd conspiracies, if it wasn’t so d@mn tragic it would be laughable. And you’re are right, it’s pure common sense, and if LE can’t move on from the circle of those select few in their site, including Ron, TN, MC, TC then there is a huge problem and LE is just trying to crack them. I pray it works and not one of them see life outside a cell for their natural lives, maybe then BB will have a chance to break the cycle from the violent, tragic life of being toted around with his thug dad trying to score dope. As Tim Miller stated it’s a D@mn discgrace to american society what these 2 put those kids through and he even thought BB should be removed from Ron’s custody. Now that’s common sense
misty has been villified more than anyone..
shes needs a spokesperson asap! Her lawyer is worthless! imho
could not agree more with you :::::heyitsmekelly said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
their was a theory earlier in this thread I believe that is so what I have always thought just more research by the poster let me find it.
heyitsmekelly said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
I find it funny those who defend the father are leaving this blog !!! It is because they are tired of defending the indefensible ???!!!
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No the many that I know that have left this blog is not because they can’t defend Ron, it is because they are sick of being attacked and ignored and treated like crap on this blog. Look at what TexasMommy goes through because she supports Ron. She will post and post and no one will even acknowledge her existence. THey won’t respond or just visit with her. But when they get ready to post they blast her like she’s the plague. Disgusting.
I have supported ROn because I think he has had bias against him from the beginning because Crystal had Kim P having bloggers to crucify ROn.
I honestly think if cousin Joe was involved and PCSD had anything at all to back it up, Joe would be in a position where the rest of them are and not out walking around free.
Joe was a likely diversion to steer law enforcements’ attention away from the area.
Everyone that tried to help that couldn’t be manipulated by Ron and Misty got the hell out of there. That’s exactly what happened to Tim Miller’s group and others.
Too many secrets and deceptive acts and why? All anyone wanted was to find HaLeigh.
Noreen said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
tobias said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:21 pm Does that include Ron if its proven he is the guilty party? Just asking since you are willing to fry the ones who did it. jmo
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kbrooks46 said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:37 pm Jan Barrett, Simmon, TJ, Cobra and group,
Thank yall for doing all you do for Haleigh our precious little Angel that has touched all of us in some way. I dont listen to the show cause its too hard too and sometimes it so hard to read the blogs cause of the fact it is heart breaking so many lies, that you have no idea who is telling the truth unless it smacks them in the face. It breaks my heart that the only ones that cares about Haleigh and keeping her name out there is all of you and the group. We may not agree with each other but we all are here for one precious Angel Haleigh. I would love to think she is alive but for this case to go on so long it doesnt look like it. Its very sad cause people are so ungrateful that they have no idea what they have in front of them. It breaks my heart when children goes missing and 100 percent of the time it is by the parent or a sex offender. Its heart breaking. I admire you guys who reach out and do these shows. I cant stand NG at all she is a pain in the butt but when I dont listen to your show I normally can see what was said by what you bloggers write on here it pretty much sums it up. Its okay if we dont agree it happens. But one thing we all want Justice for Haleigh she deserves that much and more. May God bless you all.
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An excellent post. Thank you kbrooks46
Anyone that commits GRAND THEFT AUTO doesn’t DESERVE much defense against public slander IMO, but I see your point about alleged abuse allegations. I think it was just an OD and there was a cover up and there’s a few guilty parties who need to do time for being insincere bastards by not giving a little girl a proper and decent burial that all have the right to. talk about HEINOUS ! everyones worried about known criminals having rights but little girls don’t. No wonder why the worlds so messed up. Let’s go back to stoning. its much easier ! Everyone one of ’em needs a rock thrown at them to wake up.
treece said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
No the many that I know that have left this blog is not because they can’t defend Ron, it is because they are sick of being attacked and ignored and treated like crap on this blog. Look at what TexasMommy goes through because she supports Ron. She will post and post and no one will even acknowledge her existence. THey won’t respond or just visit with her. But when they get ready to post they blast her like she’s the plague. Disgusting.
I have supported ROn because I think he has had bias against him from the beginning because Crystal had Kim P having bloggers to crucify ROn.
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I agree treece. Very well said.
Just an FYI…….. A post I submitted yesterday has been copied, pasted, and ridiculed on Peter Hyatt’s website. I was called a liar, a drug addict, an unfit parent whose child had been taken away,you name it, any possible words one could write to hurt someone they have never met, has been done so by the fine upstanding citizen, Mr. Hyatt.
Please, since I have been labled such a liar, I encourage you to read for yourself, the incredulous comments, so offensive and vile, I cannot truly express myself in a manner that would be productive, nor will I dignify the absurdity and insanity of such a narcissist and cruel attack by attempting a battle of words on a website. No one in my entire life has ever talked of me, my integrity, my parenting, my life in any and all regards as this unknown stranger has to and about me.
Please take note, if you disagree with someone on the panel, or apparently the Barret’s, you too may be tomorrow’s caricature.
Good luck.
just one said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
I agree, I can’t imagine defending Ron’s actions that led to her demis whether directly or indirectly, but then to knowingly leave BB around Misty is worse than indefensible it’s pathetic and tragic. Maybe they identify with him, maybe there son is a thug dope boy too. Don’t know, but I watched forever while they sat around trying to pin this on the Sheffiels side taking her and moving her around because they thought Peggy Cone was giving them inside tips, and listening to maggot @ss Tim Holmseth and his absurd conspiracies, if it wasn’t so d@mn tragic it would be laughable. And you’re are right, it’s pure common sense, and if LE can’t move on from the circle of those select few in their site, including Ron, TN, MC, TC then there is a huge problem and LE is just trying to crack them. I pray it works and not one of them see life outside a cell for their natural lives, maybe then BB will have a chance to break the cycle from the violent, tragic life of being toted around with his thug dad trying to score dope. As Tim Miller stated it’s a D@mn discgrace to american society what these 2 put those kids through and he even thought BB should be removed from Ron’s custody. Now that’s common sense
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Just one,
I too want the best for Jr., he deserves it, all children deserve it, but let’s face it…..RC was investigated how many times by DCF? Several, right? They made the decision to leave him with his father. I am not bashing Crystal, as I sincerely hope she is on the right path now, but the fact is, DCF are the ones that made the decision of Ron over Crystal. I wont even go in to what her attorney, KP, stated in her rebuttal to the complaint filed against her.
It’s all so terribly sad and tragic. IMO
Well I am off for the night, if I can sleep! Have a good night, gang! luvs/hugs
and yes, ill be the first regardless what heyzuess says. and no im not without sin but I care not when the offenses are so outrageous.
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JNet said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:48 pm Just an FYI…….. A post I submitted yesterday has been copied, pasted, and ridiculed on Peter Hyatt’s website. I was called a liar, a drug addict, an unfit parent whose child had been taken away,you name it, any possible words one could write to hurt someone they have never met, has been done so by the fine upstanding citizen, Mr. Hyatt.
Please, since I have been labled such a liar, I encourage you to read for yourself, the incredulous comments, so offensive and vile, I cannot truly express myself in a manner that would be productive, nor will I dignify the absurdity and insanity of such a narcissist and cruel attack by attempting a battle of words on a website. No one in my entire life has ever talked of me, my integrity, my parenting, my life in any and all regards as this unknown stranger has to and about me.
Please take note, if you disagree with someone on the panel, or apparently the Barret’s, you too may be tomorrow’s caricature.
Good luck.
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JNet,
I am so sorry this has happened to you. I can’t believe Mr. Hyatt hasn’t removed the post.
Just One – You must realize from the ex-bride’s own timeline , there was 7 to 8 hours before the 911 call !!! Enough time to get rid of any evidence including disposing of a body to cover-up any crime !!! Again , this is just my opinion , this is a classic cover-up of a Haleigh dying from child abuse and the one’s who she trusted to take care of her are so willing to come up with “my child was stoled” story to keep there asses from going to prison over it !!! Only for them to go back to life a usual by doing and dealing drugs !!! I know the police want closure , but when their investigation started 7 to 8 hours later , I don’t think they have much evidence that a homicide even took place !!! All they have is the “story” !!!
Noreen said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:54 pm JNet said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:48 pm Just an FYI…….. A post I submitted yesterday has been copied, pasted, and ridiculed on Peter Hyatt’s website. I was called a liar, a drug addict, an unfit parent whose child had been taken away,you name it, any possible words one could write to hurt someone they have never met, has been done so by the fine upstanding citizen, Mr. Hyatt.
Please, since I have been labled such a liar, I encourage you to read for yourself, the incredulous comments, so offensive and vile, I cannot truly express myself in a manner that would be productive, nor will I dignify the absurdity and insanity of such a narcissist and cruel attack by attempting a battle of words on a website. No one in my entire life has ever talked of me, my integrity, my parenting, my life in any and all regards as this unknown stranger has to and about me.
Please take note, if you disagree with someone on the panel, or apparently the Barret’s, you too may be tomorrow’s caricature.
Good luck.
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you just been villified!
thats whats been happening to misty, its WRONG!
JNet, I agree that was very immature of Peter Hyatt to do that and really exposes who and what he is. I also think you have had a bad experience on here and I am sorry for that. I think part of it may have been a misunderstanding and part of if just pure childishness.
But I must say that normally does not happen on here.
I hope Simon will address Peter Hyatt just as he did you today.
the guys a phoney, a charlatan! He has no credentials!
Noreen, Thank you for your kind comments. However, I am secure in myself and in all aspects of my life (and no Mr Hyatt I do not think I am perfect)…… My primary concern is to alert others that may not be as hard headed as I am 🙂 to please be careful.
I would assume, someone with Mr. Hyatt’s education and knowledge would know that to berate or try to humiliate someone in such a cowardly and callous manner could actually cause undue heart ache or harm to some people or persons chosen for some ego maniac “blog attack”.
Again, my concern is for someone a bit more fragile than I may be….. and yes I am beyond angry… I do not deny that for one moment.. I do ask, tho, that consideration be given to other’s, because what was done to me was blatantly wrong.
My Hyatt, please don’t do the same to anyone else that disagrees, or you happen to dislike….. your retaliation was and is so very wrong, I almost pity you… but I am still too darn mad.
JNet, if you plan on taking further action, then don’t just copy the posts — please take computer screen shots of the actual details of all things because they can be deleted or altered.
Keep all your records, posts and screenshots and possibly a police report should be filed and a cease and desist letter is appropriate to protect you.
JNet, I am sorry that this happened to you.And I disagree with him too. jmo
JNet you have every right to be pissed. I also went to his site and copied your bnn post that he took and analyzed on his site and emailed it to Jan and Simon. I feel sure they will address the situation. How immature and unprofessional.
he said he fears jnet might harm him..
the guys a lunatic!
How would Ron know that Haleigh was in the river? If he has nothing to do with it. He does come off as he knows or is involved with Haleigh’s disappearance. Sorry if i didnt spell it right but i am sleepy just reading all the blogs.
Could it be that his mom and grandmother could also be involved has well?
As for Misty obviously she is still in loved with Ron, when asked in the voice thing (forgot what it is called lol) she hasted with the question about Ron. I think it is him she is protecting or playing dum and not coming forward. There is so many lies that has came up. I dont understand any of their behaviors at all. But since day one since Haleigh went missing they both of them Misty and Ron from what I can understand had put Haleigh past tense. They barely mention her name. How would he know that she wasnt going to come back unless he knows? He moves out of his trailer why? What if she came back to the trailer. It seems like when LE gets a tip they (mitsty and ron) comes back into the spot light. To me it seems to take the heat off so they dont find Haleigh. Just my opinion. I dont know just wish someone will come forward and be honest.
Is Tommy really telling the truth and did he take a LDT to prove that it was the truth. Someone mention that FLo was in the hositpal due to a possible stroke is that any truth to the matter.
I keep praying everyday that Haleigh is found and justice is being taking into place. I am sure LE is doing the best they can and they arent talking why should they. When the time comes I am sure they will be doing some talking then. If Joe had anything to do with it how come he isnt in custody? I just want Haleigh found and justice for her.
JNet – I read what Mr Hyatt wrote about you on his site !!! I think his statement analysis on your comment was right on !!! I didn’t need his statement analysis that the father was abusive towards Haleigh !!! He was just giving his HONEST opinion !!! Typical liberal to say what he said was libel !!!
heyitsmekelly said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm Just One – You must realize from the ex-bride’s own timeline , there was 7 to 8 hours before the 911 call !!! Enough time to get rid of any evidence including disposing of a body to cover-up any crime !!! Again , this is just my opinion , this is a classic cover-up of a Haleigh dying from child abuse and the one’s who she trusted to take care of her are so willing to come up with “my child was stoled” story to keep there asses from going to prison over it !!! Only for them to go back to life a usual by doing and dealing drugs !!! I know the police want closure , but when their investigation started 7 to 8 hours later , I don’t think they have much evidence that a homicide even took place !!! All they have is the “story” !!!
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Disgusting and pathetic, and very sad for BB..also completley irresponsible of Ron to keep Misty around JR , well unless he was involved (wink)
JNet – I am shocked at what Peter did. Although I do not 100% agree with “Statement Analysis” in general, until I saw his post about you I was giving him some credit for at least studying the concept well (whether he has creds or not) and being able to relay the premise of “Statement Analysis” in an extremely well written manner. There is definatley some “clues” in what people say and how they say it. BUT NOW he has lost all credibilty in my eyes because of what he did to you. Just another rougue farce trying to pass himself off as an “expert” and gain exposure off of Haleigh. Notice how all of the sudden he has his picture up on his website?! I now put him in the same class as Art Bald and Nancy No-Grace.
And just to remind everybody what prompted Peter WHY-it to ridicule-opps I mean analize JNet – here is JNet’s original post. I really don’t see what prompted so much anger from Simon. I have seen alot worse on here:
JNET ORIGINAL POST:
I am one of those that have been ask to leave this forum based on the originating post, as I am not a sheep that follows blindly. And I thought the radio broadcast, for the most part an immature attempt at journalism.
1)FACT Your “expert” Peter Hyatt aka Simeous O’Riley or what ever his name is…. has absolutely no credentials, nada.
2)FACT I (altho not from the south, however that is a known colloquium in that part of the country) do and often refer to my daughter, exactly as that “my daughter”. I have NEVER abused my child in any manner. I find it an insult to insinuate, or actually flat out say, to do so makes you a molester or removed emotionally from your child.
3)FACT People gain weight in jail…. especially if they have been in PC for 3 months.. try sitting in your bedroom for that same period of time, eating starchy foods and let me know if you stay at the same weight. The weight gain certainly does NOT prove you are “mean” rather you are enclosed with no movement and a diet not conducive weight loose… (and this is rocket science??)And I am in no way a RC fan!! Exactly the opposite.
4)FACT Oxy addicts are “really easy going free loving people and so peaceful…… and they gain weight” Now this bulls*it statement is beyond appalling to me… and yes I do have a degree in addiction, actually a masters.. Look up one bit of info on the subject please… even a pretend doctor please check out reality. Oxycontin addicts go from extreme highs to extreme lows, Oxycontin, correct me if I am wrong specifically Oxycodone (that was the drug of choice by the Croslins) is harder to “mainline” most addicts will go to Oxycontin, as it is synthetic heroin. Most long time users are rail thin, puke a lot during the day, don’t eat, as their usage makes them sick constantly….. normally smoke (again oxy)… which is very expensive.. hard core opiate abusers turn to heroin, as they can’t afford Oxycontin which goes for 1 dollar per gram, so yes an 80 mg pill is $80!! A hard core addict will go thru 6 to 10 pills a day.
Great panel…. Wow…. Incredulous is the only word that comes to my mind. And I truly hope others will check out a few of the facts..
I stayed on line to ensure there were no misunderstandings…. I have no intent, nor could one, (I don’t think) press any type of charges for what would it be “blogger plagiarism/harassment?” lol
IMHO What Mr. Hyatt did speaks volumes about not only his credibility, but more importantly his character. Again, my concern is this doesn’t happen to someone else… a blogger that may not be as strong to deal with such an uncalled for attack… WOW now I am being called a liberal to boot…. omg, I never said anything about anyone being libel, libel for what???? Maybe the words being so similar caused the sentence to flow… j/k.
Perhaps this can be a lesson for some, to read a bit more carefully before they speak. And I include myself in that category.
Good night all. Thank you for the nice comments of support, I appreciate your kindness. And those of us that have agreed to disagree, I’m glad we usually did so with respect.
Last line, but certainly not my last thought…..God Bless precious HaLeigh….
Screen shots….keep those records. Screen shots don’t lie, but redacted or altered posts do.
follow the proper protocol of filing a report *you never know when you will need it* and a cease and desist letter presented in court shows the court that you took action.
IMO
kbrooks46 said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:25 pm How would Ron know that Haleigh was in the river? If he has nothing to do with it. He does come off as he knows or is involved with Haleigh’s disappearance. Sorry if i didnt spell it right but i am sleepy just reading all the blogs.
Could it be that his mom and grandmother could also be involved has well?
As for Misty obviously she is still in loved with Ron, when asked in the voice thing (forgot what it is called lol) she hasted with the question about Ron. I think it is him she is protecting or playing dum and not coming forward. There is so many lies that has came up. I dont understand any of their behaviors at all. But since day one since Haleigh went missing they both of them Misty and Ron from what I can understand had put Haleigh past tense. They barely mention her name. How would he know that she wasnt going to come back unless he knows? He moves out of his trailer why? What if she came back to the trailer. It seems like when LE gets a tip they (mitsty and ron) comes back into the spot light. To me it seems to take the heat off so they dont find Haleigh. Just my opinion. I dont know just wish someone will come forward and be honest.
Is Tommy really telling the truth and did he take a LDT to prove that it was the truth. Someone mention that FLo was in the hositpal due to a possible stroke is that any truth to the matter.
I keep praying everyday that Haleigh is found and justice is being taking into place. I am sure LE is doing the best they can and they arent talking why should they. When the time comes I am sure they will be doing some talking then. If Joe had anything to do with it how come he isnt in custody? I just want Haleigh found and justice for her.
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Bingo!they both spoke of her in past tense immediately, and Ron always comparing her to shoes, bikes etc shows that she was nothing more than a possesion to him. Also, if you remember Tim Miller stated that Ron thought his phone was bugged, WTF? Even if it was why would an innocent, grieving (cough) father care, why did he alert Misty to Donna B being a plant, why did he tell Geraldo “I’m always going to believe she’s alive UNTIL they find her”, seriously????????? If she had been stole she could have been found alive? His actions and words are incongruent with a man who doesn’t know what happened to her, he did, and covered it up, just like Cindy A, in their sick, twisted minds what was done was done, so he had to CYA to keep from ending up in jail which he did anyway due to trafficking drugs and to take any heat off of him in regards to losing BB. To him that would have been the final straw as it would have taken away any control he held over Crystal, the only woman other than his mom to leave him. Abandonment issues abound in his mine and he goes out of his way to punish those who he felt left him, how dare they in his mind. He needs serious mental health while he serves his time in DOC. ALthough I feel he may very well be a lost casue, kinda like Susan Smith.
I sure wish Crystal had nabbed BB and Haleigh, then we wouldn’t be looking for her remains and trying to undo all the damage done to poor BB:(
JNet said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:47 pm I stayed on line to ensure there were no misunderstandings…. I have no intent, nor could one, (I don’t think) press any type of charges for what would it be “blogger plagiarism/harassment?” lol
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No, but it would be on the record that is ‘harassment’ down the road. Keep those records because you never know if your real name
will be exposed because of this. Internet 101.
JNet,
I am shocked and appalled at what was done to you, and also to BNN.
Mr. Hyatt was a guest of BNN. He then came here and took a post from one of Jan & Simon’s poster’s and took it for his own, I’ll just say “not-so-nice” purpose. I’m just shocked, and I’ll leave at that so as not to get myself into trouble.
*shaking my head*
“Be Careful” Bless your heart… gosh your kindness did make my eyes water (don’t tell anyone tho!) They always say God puts people or situations at the stangest places, yet at a time we need them more than we realize… You were my “person” tonight “Be Careful” and Treece…and noreen and .. you too OJ 😉 thanks so very much, from my heart…
Wow – I logged on to check on what was going on and found all of this. We should all be able to express our opinions without fear of bashing. That said we should also accept that some people won’t agree with us! I think what is happening here is reflective of what is happening with politics in our country (not to open this bag of worms – just expressing an opinion). It seems (at least in my family/friends circle) we can’t discuss politics or issues any more. People become so angry and ugly. The same is happening here.
I think we can all agree that we all fear what we don’t understand. We don’t understand how a 5 year old little girl can just be gone. We all try to apply our own personal morals and logic to these circumstances (round hole/square peg) in an attempt to understand. In my case – to sleep at night. I want there to be a reason for such evil – I can’t accpet it just exists.
I think Peter Hyatt innocently called in last week and we were all impressed with his insight. He then kept providing it and it offended people. I don’t think he represented himself as having knowledge of the facts – he was trying to apply what he has learned to the facts. That is pretty much what we have all been doing.
I just read his response to JNet’s post. I think (JMO) that JNet could have gotten her/his point accross without offending if phrases such as ” has absolutely no credentials, nada.” are not used. I agree the abuse accusation was a big leap (but certainly one I haven’t heard or thought about before. I think he was applying his past experience/knowledge to the situation. Let’s face it – none of us really know these people and only God knows what happened.
I thank God Haleigh is no longer suffering and is in a better place.
I want to ad that I am sorry that Jnet is upset about this – I hate seeing anyhone hurt for any reason. I do agree he should not have posted the analysis on his site.
JNet, I seriously mean it. Keep those records and screen shots and file that report. I’ve seen this happen before and records are extremely vital even though right now you may not think so.
It’s extremely important for you to keep those records and screen shots.
This isn’t involving a public person but a private person and you can have recourse.
Once you press “Post My Comment” you are done! It’s out there for everyone. It’s internet 101. Just like we teach our kids.
Everyone was throwing the pity party for all the players earlier about all the bad comments and how it is or will effect them well, here you go………..
This is just a forum for people to vent their ideas and opinions. Don’t take things so personal. Put the attack mode in in your games not the blogs you visit and participate in.
Live and Learn!
Justice for HaLeigh
Be Careful said,in April 26th, 2010 at 11:13 pm JNet, I seriously mean it. Keep those records and screen shots and file that report. I’ve seen this happen before and records are extremely vital even though right now you may not think so.
It’s extremely important for you to keep those records and screen shots.
This isn’t involving a public person but a private person and you can have recourse.
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I have a serious question about the Jnet anaylsis, how on earth could he have libeled or harrassed a poster who is just an anonymous nic. If he knew the name of this poster and put it our there, then I could possibly see it and that is even stretching it. But Jnet did attack him and he is using his own name, not an anonymous poster. Hello Pot meet Kettle.
In order to probe livel or slander it has to be proven under the law that he damaged this person, how in he77 is that even remotely possible since Jnet is anonymous? Legally, there is no slander, libel or harrassment on Peter’s part, but maybe on Jnet’s statements because she/he attacked a real person and not a hat/nic. Seriously you people need a btter grasp on the law.
J said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
JNet,
I am shocked and appalled at what was done to you, and also to BNN.
Mr. Hyatt was a guest of BNN. He then came here and took a post from one of Jan & Simon’s poster’s and took it for his own, I’ll just say “not-so-nice” purpose. I’m just shocked, and I’ll leave at that so as not to get myself into trouble.
*shaking my head*
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Nothing surprises me anymore. Too many people trying to ride the fame train off the back of Haleigh.
the guys an obvious dirtbag. ridin on simon and jan’s coattails..
@ Be Careful: Screen captures can be changed in photo editing software.
I agree with “justone”…JNet intentionally insulted Mr. Hyatt.
And even after stating “I’m never coming back to this blog”, JNet came back to stir in “poop”…no other reason.
I’m not falling for the wanting to warn someone who isin’t a big, tough person like they are. Whatever…thats a bunch of BS and you know it. Again, thats so transparent, it sounds like a first grader’s line. Just go away like you promised to do why don’t you?
I hope I have this right but If I am,I would be so ashamed to start such an accusation and dishonor Haleighs last moments (possibly) with her Daddy,I try hard not to believe he or Misty did anything to Haleigh,as everyone else ..i too lately have a new feeling,opinion,theory every day b/c it is so messed up but how dare someone ruin the memory of her little innocent life by accusing her daddy,sure I may not like Ron today,love him tomorrow,it’s never solid anymore but I guarantee you I’d never make such an accusation,no matter what you do now,and if the truth or Haleigh is ever found,the fact remains that no one can erase something like that….if Ron’s not guilty of anything whatsoever,he still will be the one that ignorant people will point at for the rest of his life because one person pointed a finger at him,What happens if Haleigh were found alive…nobody knows but guess what….she’ll always know what people accused her dad of doing to her,that ain’t something you just create in your head and repeat over and over
without one damn ounce of proof!!!!!!IT DESTROYS LIVES AND YOU’DD THINK PEOPLE WOULD MAKE DAMN CERTAIN FIRST!! Sorry but i am ticked right now!
Thats the lowest form of stupidity……….HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND yea,I get tired of seeing everybody attacked over their own opinion,if ya don’t agree with somebody,then compromise,don’t bash them and what yall have done the last few days to newcomers also is downright rotten and mean,I walk by the pc and look a few times a day but my brother is here now and I can’t get here when yall are but somebody owes TexMoM,and a few more an apology,they’re attacked for their opinion,I don’t always agree with her,nor does she me…but by granny she’s still very intelligent and I’ve never seen anything that she deserves being bashed over……….she has a lot to offer and if ya don’t agree,so what?
wether i agree or not,big deal…wether she agrees so what?? its a damn discussion blog people!!!!!!!!!!!
Jnet,I don’t know ya,been away a few days but I am truly sorry you were disrespected here.
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Peter did compliment you, JNet – he said you were intelligent!
I think he is retaliating because he felt angry at your post that insulted him (absolutely no credentials, nada).
Today, a few of us asked him to analyze statements made by players in this case. He responded to a request from Tobias for him to analyze Chelsea’s statement about the Van (in a video). He declined (unless Tobias provided a transcript), because he didn’t “have time to do audios and the requests as (his blogspot url)have been coming in more and more”.
Peter, you didn’t have time to analyze statements from players in the case of missing Haleigh Cummings, but did have time to analyze a post from a blogger who insulted you?
Peter, you’re appearing very unprofessional.
I, Tobias, and at least one other poster asked you to analyze statements pertaining to the case we’re discussing on BNN.
Instead, you analyzed JNet’s post. Why didn’t you just respond to JNet’s post with a factual statement of what your credentials are? Why try to draw attention to, and embarrass JNet?
so? wheres the credentials??
answer: he has NONE!
Is it just me, or are the ‘professionals’ not so professional now a days?
The way Kim Picazzio and Ron’s first attorneys posted outlandish, impertinent, unprofessional statements; NG twisted BS – this ‘Statement Analyst’ passing on analyzing statements made by key players, and instead ripping apart the post a blogger made.
I’m feeling ill from this BS.
Good nite, everyone.
Its 100%BS!
I have my thoughts and opinions about this case and have from the very start.
In looking at all the information that has become available about this case since the beginning, be it that it became known via the boob tube or the interwub, I along with all of you have been able to weigh and measure what I see with my own eyes or what we are all being told by various sources.
I have looked in every direction possible and as sad as it is what we know and what we still don’t know continues to leave room for my original thoughts and theory.
How dare anyone expect me not to keep looking in any certain direction about this case. I am entitled to my opinions just as everyone else is.
I cannot say for 100% certain that my thoughts or theories will be correct on this case or any case until it/they are solved but I will continue to question certain things about certain people and/or events and if voicing my thoughts or opinions or anyone else does the same and it may end up helping in any way then good.
We are all just being human beings doing what is in our nature to do apparently and I am not about to hold that against anyone.
I have seen bashing from both sides and truly imvho it is all simply someone’s wasted energy.
If someone’s theory has substantial evidence that can be tied into it then I am willing to listen but when people consistantly attack either side for no other reason but just to belittle or smear with no other basis related to finding Haleigh then it’s seems to be nothing more than useless information imvho.
JNet said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Wow JNet. That shows a great deal of immaturity and character on his part.
Hopefully Simon will understand why some of us feel the way we do and not give this man a platform again.
I realize you rightly plan no legal action but I wouldn’t be surprised that some of those named here, on the show and on his site don’t do just that. 😉
Jason said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 12:37 am
CathyJo said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Great posts you two. I couldn’t agree more.
It amazes me that some people think it is perfectly ok to attack people for simply giving their opinions…right back.
It’s extremely defensive behavior imvho.
Reminds me of a hissing cat with it’s hair on end and back arched high.
…Just saying.
OK not to obsess on Peter Seamus but I am really begining to think this guy has some problems. On his blog he wrote that poster’s rage caught his attention thought it would provide a sample into some of the future articles regarding Haleigh, but more importantly, a future exercise that I will ask volunteers to engage in…
NICE BACK PEDALING PETER!
Then he writes that his thread might disappear because his family doesn’t like the tone of the poster…
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Your family is afraid of JNet. I can’t even take this seriously anymore. LOL.
Maybe we should have a pschychiatrist analyize “that man”!!
Simon – I’m sorry. I know you had great intentions and I will admit that I was excited about this new way to analyize the players. I also think there is some merrit to it BUT did you check this guy out. I mean maybe he was an FBI profiler or something and got terminated for oversteping his bounds. Just a theory but he won’t give his creds which means he has none and is self taught OR is hiding his creds for some reason.
Either way – he is smart but is rouge with his power.
I mean exactly how can JNet’s rage (sorry but it wasn’t that much rage)provide a “sample into some of the future articles regarding Haleigh”??? So now he is associating JNet with the “Rage” in this case??? WOW!!!
Can the REAL Professionals please stand up. So sad. I can only pray that LE makes an arrest soon so this insanity will stop. I can only pray that LE are the only and real professionals in the case. And don’t chime in OJ’s Glove!! 🙂 Let me have a moment of hope.
I think I read that peter h needs transcripts not audio to enter into a program so it can red flag stuff and then do commentary. Kind of like spell check, huh?
Who is this dude from the radioshow?I didn’t get a chance to listen to it yesterday,was going to tonight,but after reading all of this here,screw that.
BTW…..We all come here most everyday and no we don’t always agree with one another but theres not one of us here that aren’t here for the same reason,except a select few now and again,in the end finding Haleigh is what its all about and thats why we’re here,I’ve had a few tiffs myself early on…but I still respected the person BECAUSE THEY WERE HERE FOR HALEIGH!SAME AS ME!!and then you go into the mode where you know why we’re here and its easy NOT to argue and sling names and just disprespect people cause they have a different opinion,yall know me well enough now as i do you and just because of that alone..we all go out of our way to be nice about it even if we don’t agree!and even if we do have a tiff for a second,we go right back as if nothing even happened and heck…thats doggone good people!!!! I’ve argued with Tobias,M2,Adams…mistakenly….lol and stormed out of here but it hit me,
and I’d come back and apologize and now i think the world of em’ even if they don’t agree with me……think about it….how could we come here everyday and not care who we hurt…Impossible!
LoL Winter,Peter Hyatt tho!
kitty kat said,in April 27th, 2010 at 1:56 am
LoL Amen!!!!!! his family my hind end!
Justone,some need a better grasp on morals and respect too!!
PH is self taught.
If he had any experience/education he had to support his expertise status he would have already done it. It would be easy to do. I’m sure he has a resume of some sort. He could edit any sensitive info very easily.it would quash all the talk. Of course maybe that’s part of the plan to keep his name hot.
Most people are proudto name what they’ve earned in their fields with respect to certifications, degrees, experience etc…they worked hard for it.
Its not like anyone is asking if he has a criminal record of some sort. Hmmmm…? You kninds gotta wonder.
We all want Justice for Haleigh!
Each day I read through all of the blogs and try to catch up. I don’t post much but usually enjoy reading everyone’s comments.
I pray Tuesday is a much better day here! 🙂
Kninds = kinda’
I thought about it alot and I am sorry but I just cannot stay away from here. This is the best site for Haleigh information–HANDS DOWN! Even though I do not agree with everyone’s opinion, I enjoy reading them because it shows that this beautiful child touched us all in some shape or fashion! And as her picture has made an indelible mark in my mind, there is one thing I learned from the people here at BNN–that I am just not willing to walk away from this just yet. I think you will agree that she had enough of people looking the other way in her short life. We are here for Haleigh–no matter who you believe did this horrible deed–she is what draws us to this site everyday. She is the one WE fight for. SHE is the one that we demand justice for! You cannot walk away from this site without being truly touched by Haleigh–a child most of us never met! Simon and Jan gave us this forum to show us that people can come together with a common purpose–and that’s the love of a child! HaLeigh will never be forgotten! Thanks again Simon, Jan, and fellow BNN bloggers for your continued dedication in finding JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!
Cheers, Robin! U r right.
treece said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:42 pm heyitsmekelly said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
I find it funny those who defend the father are leaving this blog !!! It is because they are tired of defending the indefensible ???!!!
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No the many that I know that have left this blog is not because they can’t defend Ron, it is because they are sick of being attacked and ignored and treated like crap on this blog. Look at what TexasMommy goes through because she supports Ron. She will post and post and no one will even acknowledge her existence. THey won’t respond or just visit with her. But when they get ready to post they blast her like she’s the plague. Disgusting.
I have supported ROn because I think he has had bias against him from the beginning because Crystal had Kim P having bloggers to crucify ROn.
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I haven’t had time to post this last week as I’m in the middle of moving house and I’ve been far too busy.
But I can see why some others have left. The tone here seems to have changed a fair bit over the last couple of weeks. Terms like “Ronettes” being used…people used to be far more respectful towards each other here imo. I was particularly annoyed by the comment I read where someone suggested that it was the Ronettes vs the Haleighettes. I found that very offensive and am shocked by how much the quality of the average post here has sunk recently.
I totally agree with Treece re her reasons for supporting Ron and I feel the same.
And I should add that I am far from convinced that charges are days away. Still no one is charged….hmmm.
JNet….Mission accomplished…go pat yourself on the back.
JNet,
Oh my gosh….can’t believe he would do that….thanks for letting us know….so sorry you’ve had to experience that. Crazy stuff.
Cathyjo,
Your 12:19 post was great! Well said.
Well, its been a few days, and I see a few disgreements, and I guess it is a given. We have hear psychic’s, we have heard FBI analysis, we have hear Pat Brown and her comments and now we have Mr. Hyatt’s..
Each one of them, must realize that this case has been so confusing for everyone of us have worried about Haleigh gone Missing, and hoped, someone, just someone would have the magic answers…
There are no magic answers…
I have listened time and time again to the voice print test and both part 1&2 of the voice stress test. I just went back to listen again, because this is where I had heard Misty say that Rons grandma and aunt Lisa had come by that day with laundry. I have noticed that in the original 911 call parts have been removed since we first heard it as well as these tapes. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this? Those tapes do say that 9 minutes have been removed due to speculation of criminal invovement. I was just wondering if I am the only one that has noticed this.
LFJ, The parts removed are about Joe and Tommy messing with Misty. The original never mentioned AS coming with laundry. Misty has never said it in any statement.jmo
And as far as the j net and PH thing I can see his reaction. Jnet has the protection of a nic yet PH is the guys real name and he has left himself exposed. Would you all be willing to do that? wOULD YOU WORRY ABOUT SOME OF THESE THAT WE BLOG WITH IF THEY KNEW YOUR REAL NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVED AND WORKED? i THINK NOT. JMO
We all hide behind nics for our safety and I see JNETS attacks being totally wrong. I fyou dont respect the opinion ignore it why the need to attack in the first place? And I believe Simon and Jan asked that not be done yet JNET persisted in doing just that. jmo
Can someone post what was written on the other site by PH as I think it was removed. Or a link if it’s still there. Thanks
Okay, been reading back over posts and WTF? Okay, so someone with an anonymous nic comes on here and spews hatred about a guest on Simon’s radio show and then she is angry when he retaliates? SHE slandered him, using HIS real name. She is hiding behind a nic….NO SLANDER THERE.
I mean, good grief, if you turn on your TV and Oprah is on and you don’t like the guests, you change the channel. You tune in to the radio and don’t like the song that is playing or the talk show guests, you change the station. But JNet decided to spew a bunch of crap about Simon, his show, his guests, and then she wonders why they spew back at her. She started it, they finished it. Why don’t the people she rants about have a right to rant back? After all, she is ranting about people WITH identities. She’s just another nic on the web…anonymous, safe and sound. Get over yourself JNet. You should have left when you SAID you were going to IMVHO. Or better yet, when you didn’t like the show, moved on and not come on here ranting.
Now, is this blog about Haleigh or JNet?
JB, I agree. I was upset that so many who have blogged here for months jumped on the band wagon of disrespect just because it helped discredit someone who they disagreed with.
What a shame.jmo
I went away for a week. I’m back. Could not stay away. After listening to the last radio show I have to wonder if Haleigh was sexually abused by more than one person. Not only possibly her father, but other male influences in her life. Was RC selling Haleigh? Misty talks about dressing her like a princess…is this so she will look good for future “clients”, to over compensate for what they may have possibly put Haleigh through, or both? This is not unfounded. Children have been put through worse.
Maybe all the women in RC’s life are offered up to men. Thus, the reason RC does not care that MC was having sex with other men. Possibly for profit, and continuing the buying and selling of drugs. ‘If you have sex with so and so we will get 30 pills for free.’ Something like that.
I think the Croslin motto is takem for all they are worth if you can. Look how they played LP for money and the kindness of the blind man. Ron may not have minded but I dont think he had to force Misty to do anything.
He overlooked it if he benefited from it.
I do think the abuse thing needs to be dropped because it will go nowhere true or false if Haleigh is dead there will never be a way to prove it. I see some in an uproar because its Ron getting blamed but where is the same uproar for Joe? Rons name isnt smeared on NG like Joes has been. And there is absolutely no proof to back up any of those accusations.jmo
Tobias – yes, truly sad. JNet didn’t mind dishing it out to IDENTIFIABLE people (Peter, Simon, etc) while hiding behind her ANONYMOUS NIC…but sure didn’t like it when someone dished it out to her…again, only using her ANONYMOUS NIC. If you can’t stand the heat, then stay out of the dang kitchen already and quit clogging up the blog with your personal CRAP!
Shockwave…I have wondered that too but have been a little fearful of stating as much on here. The backlash for making such a statement can be a wee bit uncomfortable. BUT, now that the cat is out of the bag… 😆 You know, I never understood why Ron was so forgiving about Misty and WBG. He didn’t seem to care who she slept with or what she did….which seems contrary to his personality….but the sex for drugs thing certainly would explain that…and could explain what happened to Haleigh as well. What if Haleigh had a “date” that night…a Haleigh for drugs swap…and that person got rough with her and killed her by muffling her screams (suffocation). Misty calls Ron at work, tells him Haleigh is dead…they can’t call LE because they allowed the abuse….maybe Tommy knew about it…got pills from it for bringing guys to “service” Haleigh…who knows. Maybe even JO was one of Haleigh’s “Johns”. I know it sounds horrible but it happened to Shaniya Davis so it IS possible. Women are property and put on this earth for one reason in a lot of people’s eyes. I’m hoping this wasn’t the case…but it is a possibility. I’m sure I’ll get blasted for even saying any of this but oh well….we have to look at all possibilities. This would explain all of the cover-up and the parties involved keeping their traps shut.
why don’t you just say aliens beamed her up in their spaceship?
that makes as much sense as your post!
I sure wished we knew for sure that story Ron is telling really came from Tommy. Cobra never says whether he asked Tommy about the night he went fishing with Joe and his son. Could this be Ron trying to fabricate a story to throw Joe under the bus? Ron was known to fish that same boat ramp he knew way before that there were gators there. jmo
Also wasnt it reported that he more or less said the same thing to Amber about the bridges?
That it would be a good place to dispose of a body? Just another curious paralel(spell).jmo
OJ…not sure if you were talking about my post or not but okay, could it be that Haleigh was beamed up by aliens? LOL That is about the only story Misty hasn’t told….yet (that we know of)! LMAO
Does anyone know if Jr was taken to the hospital after Haleigh’s abduction and checked for drugs in his system. Seems as if somebody is going to drug their kids to make them sleep they would be drugging both of them.
Aliens and spaceships, unproven. Sexual abuse in exchange for money or profit, founded, proven, and probably happening to a minor as we speak. Obviously someone is not paying attention to all the information out there. Another point, drug use is one of the major indicators of a sexual abuser.
Wow JB – I PRAY you are wrong. I thought Ron forgave Misty for the WBG encounter because of their joint role in Haleigh’s “disappearance”.
As far as Jnet – good point about the anonymity consideration. I didn’t think of that (Jnet protected/Peter exposed.
Carrie…I don’t know. We’ve often said that we HOPE they tested Jr. I found it odd that Jr went to bed so early and then slept until noon or so the next day as Misty stated. I wondered if he was “sleeping off” some medicine he was given. My son NEVER slept that much. He was up with the chickens EVERY morning and all but refused to take naps! LOL
Thank you JB, That is strange that he slept so long. Also, Did Haleigh have asthma ?
I just read some info about the St. John’s river that is contrary to what I thought about rivers. It stated that because the St. John’s river only drops about 30 feet, or about 1 inch per mile in its entire 310 mile distance, and because of this the river is very slow moving. To the point that on windy days, the river may flow backwards. Interesting. Which means, if Haleigh’s body was waited down her body may not have moved much at all. All of this is very sad to think about, but necessary.
Good Morning all.
I just wanted to clarify that I am not going anywhere till the fat lady sings. My Nemesis’s here give me food for thought and I love a good debate.
LOL I promised hubby I will not follow another case online so I think I am going to go to school and do it for a living. Watch out world Texasmommy is fixing to take out all the monsters that have our children living in fear. Tired of sitting behind a computer and I AM compelled to get into the action, NOT like the yahoos that have interjected their DA into this and many cases,but, as a criminal investigator.
KOOL wish me luck…… I am taking a ride next week with the local PD on the night shift.
I’m not a Ron fan, but I don’t think he molested his daughter, or used her as an enticement for drug deals. In the pictures that I have seen of Haleigh, alone and with Ron, she does not appear frightened or wary of him at all. (I have been through this myself. There are NO pictures whatsoever of me smiling, laughing, or cavorting with the guilty parties, at ANY age. Just food for thought~) I have not heard that Haleigh was withdrawn, a loner, or abnormally shy, so I just don’t think she was mistreated that way by RON.
He seems to have disciplined his children harshly at times, and I find that heartbreaking. I would find that theory (hitting Haleigh who then might have suffered a delayed and fatal reaction to the physical punishment) more believable as a reason for Haleigh’s demise (as opposed to being pimped out).
Has anyone been able to confirm what Armando saw, regarding the “floaters” and three items of small clothing or material? Didn’t LE reclassify Haleigh’s disappearaance as a homicide BEFORE those items were retrieved?
JillF – I hope we’re wrong too. It is just ONE of many possibilities but it, like MANY other theories, would explain much of the strange behaviors from these folks. It is not my TOP theory…but one that has always been on my list. Just hate to state it here….get a lot of backlash from posts like that one!
And yes, the JNet thing was ridiculous. She had no problem talking crap (slandering) about IDENTIFIABLE people. If she didn’t like the program, she didn’t have to listen and she could have spent her Sunday afternoon doing something she DID like. Instead, she went on a pretty nasty rant and then whined when the people she ranted about dished it back to her (SHE IS ANONYMOUS SO WHO CARES!). If you don’t believe in statement analysis, don’t like Peter Hyatt, that is TOTALLY okay. But when you spew hatred in the direction of an identifiable person, you HAVE to expect some sort of response from that person. She made extremely negative comments about Simon and Peter, while hiding behind her anonymity but then cried foul when they responded. She started it for Pete’s sake.
Shockwave, Not only that but the boat ramp was on a tributary like part that led out to the St. Johns river. Kinda like a ditch dug into the side of the river for the boat docks.Iwil go see if I can find a posting of a map for you. jmo
I do not believe they would have tested Jr. for anything. The police did not know about the drug issues until much later in the investigation. Also, CS won’t even allow anyone to talk to Jr. about what he may have witnessed that night. I’d like to know if he heard Haleigh screaming. It is important to know whether Haleigh was sexually abused by her own family members, because it would eliminate looking for a stranger abduction.
What ya think of Hope’s sentence!!! I am in shock!!
Tobias you are 100% correct about the story Ron told Amber Brooks about Dunns Bridge was a good place to dispose of a body. Same story different location, but both areas are infested with alligators.
Tobias you could be right about the voice print vids, but I watched a video sometime back where Misty is talking about who came over that evening and she said in that vid that ” Rons granbma and his aunt Lisa”. Once I find it I will put where you can find it. Thanks.
Tobias I also agree with you that LE wanted Ron along with Misty.
Friday on NG she had the drug clip of Misty and Kelly. In the vid you can see Ronald is not present in the car. After Misty made the deal with the UC Misty makes a call and you can hear Rons voice on the other end to let him know. Misty did appear to be the ring leader, but after watching that vid I believe Ron was. He was testing the waters to make sure this was not a sting, but got comfortable and decided to come out from behind the phone.JMO
B*A – Hadn’t heard! What is the sentence????
15 yrs
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Judge Terry Larue sentenced her to 15 years in prison, the minimum mandatory sentence for the crime.
The prosecutor reminded the court that Sykes was arrested Jan. 3 on a drug possession charge. She had been released on her own recognizance when agents charged her with drug trafficking on Jan. 13.
No surprise here but it is sad that such a young person has ruined their life. jmo
OH WOW…found it online – 15 years! No boot camp for Hope! Guess she shouldn’t have run her mouth when she got back from court last time. Her trying to say NOW that she learned her lesson, wants to get an education, blah blah blah, fell on deaf ears after her rant on video last time telling everyone to kiss her a$$, F this, F that….LMAO.
Well, this ought to make Misty, Tommy, Ron and Donna squirm a little bit IMVHO! LOL
tobias – so the water there would be even more stagnant. Which explains why the water is so murky. In rapidly moving water plants cannot grow as easily as it does in swamp like water that does not move.
Iketa – I had not heard about what Armando saw, but I would like to know if there is anything to it. He will probably check in if he see’s the comment.
Yep, beautiful*, and they even played the audio of the call to her mother we all heard to show she had no remorse. I think this will send a message to ALL of them that they’re not messing around!
Hope Sykes, Ronald’s cousin, 18 years old was sentenced to 15 years this morning. perhaps this may open some dialogue with Tommy, Misty and company!
I think Misty just peed her panties.lol
She won’t serve the entire 15 years. She’ll get out on probation early, but still hope it helps her with her life choices down the road.
If she would have truly been remorseful and shown THAT on jail video instead of the true colors she displayed dropping the F Bomb all over the place and showing NO remorse and acting like betty bad a$$, PERHAPS the judge would have gone easy on her. These people just don’t learn. Her wanting to be a physical therapist….well, would have been GREAT if she truly would have tried to follow that dream (if that is really her dream) instead of out doing/selling drugs. It is a waste….but I truly have no pity for her or any of these jokers. How many breaks do they think they should get?
KIP… no way.. the audio?
Misty is probably curled up in the fetal position in the corner of her cell sucking her thumb right now after hearing about Hope’s sentence! LOL
I read Ron was in the courtroom prepared to testify on Hope’s behalf but he was never called to testify. Not sure that I’d WANT Ron to testify on my behalf….he could do more damage than good IMO.
There is a photo of her… I feel sad for her.
It’s at Jacksonville.com
From News4jax:
Hope Sykes, a cousin of Ronald Cummings, received a minimum mandatory sentence of 15 years in prison after pleading no contest to a drug trafficking charge. She also faces $250,000 in fines.
The prosecution played an audio recording in court of a jail conversation Sykes had with her mother. They claimed it proved her lack of remorse for the crime.
KIR – Oh, TOO funny that they played that audio. I had posted that I hoped the judge saw that prior to sentencing. I would have LOVED to have seen Hope’s face when they played that! ROFLMAO.
That is a long time. Thanks for the news. I guess Hope should not have said she would not do boot camp and if so,they think she is bad now, she will be worse when she gets out.
This is so sad.
It is very sad that such a young women will now grow old behind bars from a mistake that she committed just as her life was beginning.
I have to think about the up bringing of all these young individuals. If you think about it, the children are paying for their parents mistakes and now in Ron and Crystals case HaLeigh and Jr are to pay as well.
It is my opinion that these families and the world will learn from these recent missing children cases in Florida and with haste the changes that have needed to take be made and put in place will finally have the momentum to come to pass.
Okay…just looked at the picture of her in court….that did tug at my heartstrings a bit. Let this be a wake-up call to the rest of them. So many lives wasted….and Haleigh’s life lost….there are no winners here.
It all begins with ones self.
The war on drugs could be a thing of the past if it began with the youth we are raising.
The war on domestic violence could be won if it began with the parents that never displayed it around there children and led their families by example… TO love one another.
My comparisons could go on, but, the 101 is to be a better person yourself to make the changes that will effect the world. Start in your own back yards and you will see the rewards.
There are actually 10 pictures….shows her mom crying, several pictures of Hope, several of Ron…he looks down and puts his hands up to his face when they started playing the audio tape of Hope and her mom…good pics….does make me sad to see those and to see the heartache but DANG, what does it take to wake these people up? Wasn’t Haleigh disappearing enough? OBVIOUSLY NOT! How many lives have to be ruined before these people shape up? I just don’t get it!
It is sad. Her family members were all crying when she was sentenced. Ron had been brought in to testify, but was not asked to. A picture of him is shown with him lowering his head as they played the audio. Now they all will know what they have to look forward to. None of them have done themselves any favors on the jail tapes. JMO
All the photos are sad!
Whatever happened to Donna B? Haven’t heard a peep about her lately….when does she go to court next? When will ALL of them learn their fates?
Tommy goes may 13 I am watching for Snodgrass pre trial on the 29 . two days away after all these years I hope those girls get their justice. jmo
Tobias – TY…so when does Ron an Misty go to court? I hope Snodgrass gets his! Dang perv!
Hank, Tommy and Ron are in court on may 13. Misty is in court on june 3. Donna is in another county can someone tell me if they can find it?jmo
Hey All – Good Morning!
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Picture of Granny Flora Hollar’s Chillens’
This just in – Granny Hollar has taken to bed with a migraine…. looking for her prescription of Hillbilly Heroin – Oxycontin… hmmnn was here – now where did it go?!
Yes it sure has been quiet about ol Donna wonder if she goes to trial before the rest?
Wonder if she will get 15 years too or may be she will get less since she has no priors? jmo
Just posted a few minutes ago on my FaceBook:
Nancy Grace Breaking News! Ron Cummings’ cousin Hope Sykes sentenced to 15 years in prison after being arrested months ago along side Misty Croslin & Ron Cummings after getting caught up in a prescription drug operation resulting in serious felony drug charges! What does she know about Haleigh’s disappearance & will it help investigators find the little girl’s remains?
Good grief – that sentence will throw the ”fear” into the rest of the crew!
Geezzee – 15 years, she will do at least 7 1/2 maybe more cuts for classes she completes – but good grief!
15 years – she is a toddler caught in a web!
Good lord now NG is trying to link Hope into the disappearance, she needs to stop already.
But hey what better way than her show to get it out to Misty that Hope got 15 years. And I am sure she will bring up Mistys impending charges.lol jmo
I don’t honestly think that any of them are sober enough yet to think of what is happening to them. Hope’s charges were nothing compared to what the rest of them are facing. Tommy’s aren’t even as bad as Ron and Misty’s. Maybe the drug use has totally done too much damage for them to understand what’s going on. They just don’t get it. I don’t even think that any of them could even get a DEAL if they start talking about little HaLeigh at this point. Too many secrets and lies. We may never know the truth. They have spun so many stories, they don’t even know the truth anymore. And now there are stories about Teresa’s involvement in covering for Ron. Too much has been covered up and distorted. The PCSD need to have the State come in and start from the beginning with all the families inconsistincies. Way too much playing of the Hatfield and the McCoys at the expense of this innocent little girl.
JillF said,in April 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am Wow JB – I PRAY you are wrong. I thought Ron forgave Misty for the WBG encounter because of their joint role in Haleigh’s “disappearance”.
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JillF, that’s a good point, but that’s giving that creep too much credit. Ron simply needed his babysitter back. JMO
Oh no, I think she’ll be in awhile.
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Florida Dept Of Corrections:
“Those sentenced to prison in Florida who committed their crimes on or after October 1, 1995 will serve a minimum of 85% of their sentences. This applies to all inmates, regardless of the type of crime they committed. On December 31, 2005, more than three-quarters (80.2%) of all inmates in prison had been sentenced under the 85% law. This percentage represents only those inmates who have every component of their sentence covered by the 85% law. When calculating how much time an inmate will serve in prison you must first calculate 85% of his or her sentence, and then subtract any county jail time already served.”
What I find truly sad regarding Hope Sykes is, she didn’t understand what her ‘no contest’ plea meant, when her Mom tried to explain it to her, she went off the deep end, she had a public defender, yet it seems not much time was spent explaining her options to her.
Such a shame, if the family had of had $$$’s, Hope would not be serving at 15 years now.
I truly hope she gets her GED and does everything she can to turn her life around.
LFJ, I no where you can listen to the 911 tape . I’ve been trying for days now to get someone to go there to listen to it.
If you want the link i’ll go gack and for you.
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I believe what got her the 15 years was the video in it there is no doubt to presume innocence. She had a prior and that jail tape just added the last straw. I believe a jury would have reacted the exact same way as the judge.jmo
Yes please Linda. Thank you
http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/04/haleigh-911-call-with-clearer.html
Would you please tell me what you think about this 911 call.
In that picture of Ron listening to Hopes tape. I think he is trying to remember what he has said that will come back to bite him in the a@@ at his trial. And there he sat in front of the judge that is going to be his judge listening to the person he is ready to testify for. Not a smart move. jmo
Noreen – I agree. Why didn’t she understand? She is clearly troubled. I wonder if she was offered a lesser sentence if she provided some info about the case? I am suspicious of Ron “coming to court” to vouch for her, etc… I don’t see him as a loyal friend? Maybe that is his way of saying – I will reward you for your silence. I can’t believe anyone in their circle is completely in the dark about that night. JMO
Tobias – I agree. I’m sure her atty explained or at least attempted to explain the no contest plea to her. She was just too busy running her mouth and acting tough to listen. She was on probation when she got nabbed again…they have these people on tape so why try and plead not guilty. Running her mouth after her last court appearance and saying she wasn’t going to boot camp, etc, etc, etc….not like she really left the judge any choice. She got caught with drugs and got probation…should have learned her lesson…but NOOOO…she’s then out selling drugs with Misty…..should have learned her lesson and got her act together….but NOOOOO…she runs her mouth acting all tough, F Bomb this, F Bomb that, if they think she’s bad now, blah, blah, blah….I mean WHAT was the judge supposed to do? She BROUGHT this on herself. It is sad to see pics of her in court…BUT…good grief, she did the crime…now she has to do the time. She COULD have gotten an easier sentence if she would have at least TRIED to act like she had learned her lesson instead of trash talking.
Hope understood her lawyer. Her lawyer wanted to plea for the youth offender which would be bootcamp and Hope said on tape that she didnt want that and would rather take the 15. She in my opinion did nothing to help her own situation. Reguardless of what a lawyer can do if you refuse to be on your own side they cant help you. jmo
I never understood what it was Ron was going to testify about…I mean, if he said “Yeah, me and Misty were selling drugs but Hope wasn’t” then he’d be shooting himself in the foot. Was he there to be a character witness? I mean, come on! Can she NOT think of someone BETTER than Ron for that? I have NO idea why Ron’s atty would allow him to testify on her behalf because he could incriminate himself in doing so. Why wasn’t Misty there if that was the point? It could very well be he was keeping an eye on her….sending a message for her to keep her mouth shut….because I sure don’t think ANYTHING he could say would help Hope OR himself.
Hope had a SH!+ lawyer! Pleading her guilty was a massive miscarriage of justice, no contest is exactly the same as guilty! It just can’t be used in a civil lawsuit. Now she can’t even appeal cause she took a plea,,horrible abuse of the legal system!
OJ – LOL – you always make me laugh with your comments. THEY WERE CAUGHT ON TAPE! THEY ARE GUILTY! THEY DID THE CRIME! NOW THEY MUST DO THE TIME! Her atty was trying to get her boot camp but HOPE screwed that up with her F Bomb attack against the legal system. The atty didn’t break the law. Hope did. The atty tried to get her a better sentence but someone screwed that up and it WASN’T the atty…it was HOPE.
they brought ron in to poison the atmosphere.. it was a tactic by LE.
Ron probably called Miss Nancy on her cell phone and she told him to try and make a court appearance so that she could have a BOMBSHELL for a ratings boost! According to what Cobra says she is his Sugar Momma! Explains the hater attitude toward Ron’s women, ie: Crystal, Misty, Amber.
OJ’s glove said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
they brought ron in to poison the atmosphere.. it was a tactic by LE
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Are you talking about today? He had no choice, he was subpoenaed.
OJ Ron chose to be there. He was not forced into being a supporter for Hope he volenteered for it. jmo
JillF said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Noreen – I agree. Why didn’t she understand? She is clearly troubled. I wonder if she was offered a lesser sentence if she provided some info about the case? I am suspicious of Ron “coming to court” to vouch for her, etc… I don’t see him as a loyal friend? Maybe that is his way of saying – I will reward you for your silence. I can’t believe anyone in their circle is completely in the dark about that night. JMO
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2010-04-19 37 DEFENSE WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
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2010-04-21 38 RONALD CUMMINGS
Hope is Ron’s cousin
tobias said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
OJ Ron chose to be there. He was not forced into being a supporter for Hope he volenteered for it. jmo
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Really? Can you show me where he said that, I guess I missed it..
OJ…I’m guessing somewhere in your past you were involved in a legal battle or had a dealing with LE that left a HORRIBLE taste in your mouth because it doesn’t matter if they have the murder on video from 20 angles, the murderer’s handwritten and video confession, 45 witnesses – 10 of which are LE, DNA evidence, and fingerprints on the murder weapon you’d STILL claim the murderer was innocent and was tortured into a confession and it was a big conspiracy against the murderer, etc, etc! But I’ll give it to ya, you SURE make me laugh! 😆
If Art really was at Memaw’s with Cobra and Ron and heard all that crap why did he never write an article about hearing Misty say “they are on to us” and stuff. Art would have been all over it like white on rice.
Does it REALLY matter why Ron was there or if he was there on his own free will or by subpoena? He didn’t testify so it is a moot point. Frankly, I wouldn’t have wanted him to testify for me!
In hopes tape she said she discussed being a witness for her and he said he would. Her mother then goes on to say TN GGS and an aunt would also be there testifying for her. jmo
Vaq, Its in Hopes tape to her mother talking about riding with Ron. She says she asked him to be there for her when she went to court. Her mother said she had asked others and they were also going to support her.jmo
Sorry I didnt see it posted the first time.
vaquera said,in April 27th, 2010 at 2:10 pm If Art really was at Memaw’s with Cobra and Ron and heard all that crap why did he never write an article about hearing Misty say “they are on to us” and stuff. Art would have been all over it like white on rice.
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Yeah, Art would be burning the keyboard up to get that one online. By the way, I’m still waiting for THE audiotape and have been asking on here and no response. 😡 If it’s the bombshell audio that Cobra purports is to be, then bring it on already and UNCUT!
Art must still be cleaning the egg off his face from the “Haleigh Bones” thing because he hasn’t posted a new self praising article in quite some time! LOL
want to know what cops are really like?
watch the rodney king video..
thats them in all their glory!
If you want to listen to her talkabout Ron listen on you tube hope syke 2 right before she says they are 10 steps ahead.jmo
I thought when Hope made her phone call to her mom after her last court date she told her mom then that she got to ride back to the jail with Ronald and he told her then that he gave testament on her behalf .
lfj, Hope says on that tape too that Ron was offered 25 I wonder what the offer was? Was he supposed to give Misty up? Was he supposed to testify against her? When they offer you a deal it has strings, wonder what they were.
Could be too that he was trying to see if they had offered her a deal? jmo
OJ – you can’t say ALL cops are bad just from the Rodney King video. That is like saying all Germans are bad because of what Hitler did, or all Men are sex offenders because of what one man did, or all mothers are murderers because of what Casey Anthony did, or on and on and on. YES, there are bad cops. But I TRULY believe there are more good than bad. It isn’t a perfect world and people aren’t perfect. Did Rodney King deserve what he got? NO FLIPPIN’ WAY! It was WRONG! But I don’t think the majority of cops would ever do something like that.
JB,How can LE offer a deal to someone who claims to know nothing in Haleighs case? He told Hope and I dont think she is lying that he was offered 25 years. Every says he is cleared so if he is why make him an offer?
LE knows Ron knows something or they wouldnt offer a deal and Ron wouldnt be thinking about taking it. jmo
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-03-31/story/relative-haleigh-cummings-pleads-drug-case
Yall probably saw that one,but Misty said she had to get the tattoo for Ronald to prove she loved him,sad to me honestly!
Hey guys,bro went out for awhile so had to come in and catch up!
Cruisin’ Susan said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
vaquera said,in April 27th, 2010 at 2:10 pm If Art really was at Memaw’s with Cobra and Ron and heard all that crap why did he never write an article about hearing Misty say “they are on to us” and stuff. Art would have been all over it like white on rice.
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Yeah, Art would be burning the keyboard up to get that one online. By the way, I’m still waiting for THE audiotape and have been asking on here and no response. 😡 If it’s the bombshell audio that Cobra purports is to be, then bring it on already and UNCUT!
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Heck, I am still waiting for the jail house Croslin tapes we were promised 3 weeks ago. LOL
How do we know that these tapes haven’t been edited?
Hi cathy, Hope you bro and you are having a good visit. It looked like alot of arguments happened last night. Right now its pretty quiet and we are talking about Hopes sentence of 15 years. 85% is what she will definitly have to serve. thats 12.75 if my math is correct. jmo
tobias said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Vaq, Its in Hopes tape to her mother talking about riding with Ron. She says she asked him to be there for her when she went to court. Her mother said she had asked others and they were also going to support her.jmo
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I didn’t listen to her tape, thanks..maybe he just said that to make her feel better, I don’t know but she apparently told her attorney and I’m surprised she even subpoenaed him.
JB said,in April 27th, 2010 at 2:05 pm OJ…I’m guessing somewhere in your past you were involved in a legal battle or had a dealing with LE that left a HORRIBLE taste in your mouth because it doesn’t matter if they have the murder on video from 20 angles, the murderer’s handwritten and video confession, 45 witnesses – 10 of which are LE, DNA evidence, and fingerprints on the murder weapon you’d STILL claim the murderer was innocent and was tortured into a confession and it was a big conspiracy against the murderer, etc, etc! But I’ll give it to ya, you SURE make me laugh!
I have to agree,My husbands case was botched from day one and was a horrible thing to go through,sure i feel the cops (1-2)did not do their job allowing a murderer to go free but If i need to dial 911 I do because like JB said,they all ain’t bad,they’re prostitutes and druggies on every corner but does that also mean we are…there are predators you cannot even tell by looking would do that but does that mean we are predators?? No!
Rodney King was a horrible thing to see and worse for him but thats ranks with mean people who rob and rape women in their 80’s and so on who can’t fight back!Just the same basically,cops are human too…..and thugs if its in their nature just as the thug on the street…a civillian who robs and kills!
Sorry,but imo thats just ignorant to blame all of them!Some do care and will fight for justice,some don’t!
Because Simon says he gives them to us like they are he doesnt have time to edit them.He said that several times that I can remember. jmo
TY Tobias,lol yea we are catching up,so good to see him!
Thanks for the update,when Ted went to bed i came on and saw the bickering,lol and caught up there so ty tho for thee recap! I didn’t know Hope had been sentenced.whew!!!!!
I bet she just about died when they played the audio…..God,can you imagine??
Cathy, I know its a big sentence but I feel it may have saved her life. Alot of people OD every day, she may have been one of them if she kept going like she was. jmo
it was a MANDATORY sentence, there was no need to play the audio..it was to TORTURE her! Her lawyer is working with law enforcement and I bet in two years she’ll be rewarded with a nice job in the prosectors office. Her lawyer walked her into the lion’s den! disgraceful! she should be DISBARRED!!
Tobias…on NG they said something about the judge saying something to Ron and his atty about them working on something with the Prosecutor and the atty confirmed it. Add that to what Hope says and I’d say YES, Ron is talking and making a deal any way he can.
Exactly right Tobias,just her attitude about it told me that! Tobias,in the last 5 yrs if i havent lost 50 friends or relatives or people i have known even just by name from od’ing,I havent lost one,an uncle,his wife a yr after him…..you name it…I hate drugs!!!!!!!!!
LoL Tomorrow will be my 25th Anniversary of sobriety,LoL
5TH.NOT 25THHHHHHH LOL SORRY!
I am just used to saying i was married 25 yrs,sheeesh!
yall think Ron’s making a deal?
OJ – I believe Hope had a shot at the juvenile offender’s boot camp….which would have meant a couple of years in boot camp and then probation….BUT…Hope blew that with her F BOMB rant….the tape was played so the judge could make a decision as to whether to give her boot camp under the juvie plan…or treat her like a big girl and send her to prison. She sealed her fate with that conversation with her mom. I get tired of everyone blaming the judge, blaming the attorney, blaming the prosecution, blaming LE…WHERE THE HE77 IS THE BLAME FOR THE CRIMINAL? Sheesh! We wouldn’t need judges, prosecutors, public defenders, etc., if it weren’t for the criminals. THEY DID THE CRIME…TIME TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES. If little angel HOPE could have kept her mouth shut perhaps she would be on her way to boot camp right now. Oh, that’s right..she wasn’t F’n going to no F’n boot camp because if they think she’s F’n bad now, wait until she F’n gets out of F’n boot camp. Ah yes, I believe HOPE chose HOPE’s punishment with THOSE angelic words of wisdom. UGH!
OJ.I’d say every crook in the world wishes you were the judge,LoL JMHO
CathyJo…on some tape on NG’s show the judge asks Ron and his atty if they are working on something with the prosecution and they claim they are. Then Hope mentions it too…something about 25 years. I don’t know if Ron is giving up names of dealers to get a deal or if he is giving up info on the Haleigh case for a deal but it has become very obvious he wasn’t working for LE as an informant to bust Misty! LMAO
CathyJo – CONGRATS on the 5 yr anniversary! That is awesome and you should feel VERY proud! That is a wonderful accomplishment! WHOOP! WHOOP! Let’s hear it for CathyJO! YOU GO GIRL! 😀
RIGHTTTTTTT JB!!!!!
Evidently not!!
He’d have been sprung by now!
CathyJo…so much for Ron is working for LE! LMAO….Hate to see what kind of sentence he’d get if he WEREN’T working for them! ROFLMAO Kinda makes you wonder what else Mr. Cummnigs and his mama have lied about…(not that I ever truly believe Ron was working for LE). But that was their story…I guess they AREN’T sticking to it! Hee Hee Hee
Thank You Jb,it does make you feel 50 ft. tall…..LoL ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU THOUGHT YOU COULDN’T MAKE IT FOR 5 HOURS!!!
Now i just get high on knowing I’m not wasted all the time! oops sorry caps before,lol forget!First time in my life that i really KNOW i’ll never do drugs again!!
Hope was not guilty of trafficing, maybe possesion maybe possesion for sale but trafficing? NO WAY! way way overcharged! and for her lawyer to plead her guilty as charged is a misscarriage of justice!
the justice system in florida is CORRUPT!!!!
CathyJo…that is so awesome. I know for us who have never been addicted to drugs, we can’t TRULY understand how tough it was for you and what you’ve gone through but it sure doesn’t make me any less proud of you! I know it HAD to be tough! But you are a tough cookie and if you can get through that, there is NUTTIN’ you can’t do sister! 😀
Jb,I weighed 87 lbs.never ate…….no doubt i’d have beenn dead,87 lbs taking 10-20 hydros a day!!!
I like thin ladies 🙂
OJ, OJ, calm down hon.
I’m afraid you’re gonna have a stroke one of these days, lol
Please do tell, OJ..are you hangemhigh on the radio show chat on sundays? LOL
LoL Jb,you’re exactly right…..and oh was it hell,why i have no friends except online,lol suddenly I just wasn’t fun anymore but ya sure know who your friends are!
not crackhead skinny OJ!
I was crackhead skinny though i never touched that stuff! Meats for man,bones for dog,lol
Oh, OJ, I’m tired of jawing wit’ cha. I think you’ll just keep throwing some statement about torture or corruption for as long as I’ll play along. Well, I’m thru playing because DANG SON! You are one endless rant of conspiracy theories! LMAO I think I’ll stop at the store on the way home and pick up some Oranges…gonna make me some FRESH, SQUEEZED OJ this evening to take out all the frustration you’ve slung my way today! ROFLMAO
Love you guys,Teds back,lol bbs as i can!
OJ…we KNOW you like thin ladies….you think Misty is HOT for Pete’s sake…and BELIEVE me…that speaks VOLUMES about your taste in women! LOL 😉
ROFLMSAO@JB!!!!!! CROOKS WOULD LOVE HER jB,LOL JMO
BYE CATHYJO!!!! ****waving*****
bye,waving back atcha…..thought oj was female till that was said.sheesh.everybodys innocent in prison Oj……can ya ever offer why you think theyre innocent……imo lol sorry but i doubt it!
Ron’s probably given up names. 25 yrs is still a long sentence if that 85% figure is accurate.
What about Misty? Is she being waived over as and adult or being tried as a juvenile? Does anyone know?
I don’t think any of this affects little HaLeigh’s case unless Tommy talks. He’s gonna be the weak link.
stillucy…Either Ron is giving up names to do with drugs or he is telling what he knows about Haleigh. I figure he’s striking a deal about drugs though…giving up suppliers, giving up other dealers, etc.
I think the only way Misty could get boot camp (be tried as a juvie as a youthful offender) is if she gave up ALL the goods about Haleigh…and she isn’t doing that and time is ticking away. She may have a “Come to Jesus” moment a day or two before her court appearance after seeing Hope get 15 years! LOL Maybe she’ll finally talk….or not.
Oh, I’m sure 15yrs looks like a lifetime to Misty! She may just find another story to tell that may be a little closer to the truth. There has got to be someone to convince that girl to go there, tell the truth.
JB, thanks for commenting, appreciated.
You know, I’ve been surfing some sites and there are a lot of people out there that think that Ron’s momma, Teresa, is up to her neck in all of this. That Teresa knows the whole story and is protecting her son out of guilt from a lifetime of neglect toward him.
What’s your take on that aspect?
Shockwave said,in April 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am I do not believe they would have tested Jr. for anything. The police did not know about the drug issues until much later in the investigation. Also, CS won’t even allow anyone to talk to Jr. about what he may have witnessed that night. I’d like to know if he heard Haleigh screaming. It is important to know whether Haleigh was sexually abused by her own family members, because it would eliminate looking for a stranger abduction.
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I’m sure LE would have tested Jr. if they even suspected he had been given a drug. Ron’s record was easily accessible to them and I’d be sure they checked it out.
Re Crystal not letting jr. talk to anyone about what happened….are you kidding? She let him talk to the whole world….did you not see him answering those questions on Geraldo?
As for sexual abuse by her own family (the Cummings)….yuck…what in the world would prompt you to make such an ugly accusation? I know there are RSOs on Crystal’s side of the family, but have never heard of one on Ron’s side.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am There is a photo of her… I feel sad for her.
It’s at Jacksonville.com
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I feel sad for her too. From what I heard of her on the phone, I formed the view she was likely intellectually disabled or had some other form of mental disability. Those mandatory minimum sentences are stupid.
So are the people who are getting them!
I wish to God people would stop accusing Ronald of molesting his daughter without a grain of proof! Sickening!Disrespectful to Haleigh as it is to him!it tix me off and usually i say I’m sorry but it tix me off BIG TIME …AND I’M NOT SORRY ,IT TIX ME OFF!!!!!!!!
Adams,she looked pitiful didn’t she!
CathyJo said,in April 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am I hope I have this right but If I am,I would be so ashamed to start such an accusation and dishonor Haleighs last moments (possibly) with her Daddy,I try hard not to believe he or Misty did anything to Haleigh,as everyone else ..i too lately have a new feeling,opinion,theory every day b/c it is so messed up but how dare someone ruin the memory of her little innocent life by accusing her daddy,sure I may not like Ron today,love him tomorrow,it’s never solid anymore but I guarantee you I’d never make such an accusation,no matter what you do now,and if the truth or Haleigh is ever found,the fact remains that no one can erase something like that….if Ron’s not guilty of anything whatsoever,he still will be the one that ignorant people will point at for the rest of his life because one person pointed a finger at him,What happens if Haleigh were found alive…nobody knows but guess what….she’ll always know what people accused her dad of doing to her,that ain’t something you just create in your head and repeat over and over
without one damn ounce of proof!!!!!!IT DESTROYS LIVES AND YOU’DD THINK PEOPLE WOULD MAKE DAMN CERTAIN FIRST!! Sorry but i am ticked right now!
Thats the lowest form of stupidity……….HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to mention when Jr is older and reads the papers or whatever about his sissy!!
Self study.
Hope’s lawyer is worthless! hes a corrupt backwoods drunken SHYSTER!! How dare he plead Hope guilty to TRAFFICING for christs sake! 15 years was the minimun..why didn’t Hope know she was going to get 15? answer: because her lawyer didn’t tell her! He flimflamed and bamboozled her into pleading no contest when she didn’t even know that meant guilty!
The justice system in florida is CORRUPT!! The lawyers INEPT and in cahoots with the prosecution! SHAME ON the florida public defenders office!
Wow, interesting opinions. I kind of agree with both OJ and JB. I don’t think Hope’s lawyer was doing her any favors. Get some rich kid who’s father can afford the best and I’m sure she’d be walkin in the breeze now. I also think this kid has an obnoxious, arrogant attitude that helped pin the tail on the donkey. The drug addiction in this country is so out of hand. As is the out of control behavior of the youth. Truthfully, i just find this whole situation pitiful. It’s really hard for me to find anger, so far just real sadness. Just hope they find the true culprit in Haleighs disappearance so any innocent bystanders don’t have to pay the price.
I am sure the Experts go with extensive data. One voice crying out in the wilderness – with one or two personal examples means nothing!
This is just the way it is, and I think it is the BEST way-so far, extensive research.
Mandatory 15years for what she did is criminal in of itself. Yes she was mouthy, immature, and arrogant, all of which are not crimes. When it comes to dealing with issues pertaining to drugs offenses (non violent) the Florida legal system comes across to the world as a back woods, out of date, hick, corrupt, and just so simpleton like it seems flat out pathetic. It’s not a place one wants their child to go to, how many kids party one night and do something stupid or go a long with something stupid and bang their life is over 15-25 minimum mandatory. Mean while the cops, Judges, Lawyers, did the same thing when they were young.
I find it appalling that only a few are holding any accountability on Tommy. It would not surprise if the Putnam LE, Jason, and that hand swinging power tripper all pat him on the back and cut him a deal. I obviously have no faith in them. I need to know more before I can conclude if Misty did all she could do when the actual murder took place. If she was out powered then she was and that is that. However I need a lot more in regards to why she remained silent. With that some qualified sources are going to have to dig into that one. I don’t see LE getting a charge on Joe that will actually stick. Tommy is hailed to much as the good guy by Police at least initially and even now if they tried to retract it I don’t think they can with out confusing people. The only one so far that a charge will stick on is Misty whether she did it or not. What I don’t understand is how does a girl who has an excellent history with kids, no violent record or known behaviours suddenly kill a child. At 730pm she was fine not until these men showed up did this happen and I still believe it would not of if they did not show up. How is it that those out for Justice for the innocent are missing that? I have been under the perception Justice delivered means all accountable held accountable to the fullest and applicable to their role and responsibility in the crime. I guess that is another thing the Florida legal system is behind on or just choses to ignore.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
ann,
As frustrating as it is, I do agree with you.
Wow, Linda. Thanks for that telephone audio that you printed out. (posted at 1:13)
The thing that jumped out at me is the “OTHER” female voice~ I have to agree with STILL LUCY; I’ve always wondered what Teresa knew and now I wonder if she was that other voice heard. People have said she got there awfully quick AND with an 8×10 glossy picture of Haleigh, too. Many people have commented that Misty did not say that Anne Sykes dropped off clean laundry. So following that line of thinking, maybe she was NEVER there. Maybe she and Teresa are trying to protect Ron and Misty, if indeed Haleigh was taken by drug dealers exacting revenge on Ron for stolen drugs or not paying them back. Supposedly, he owed LOTS of money and moved to get away from those he owed the money to. Hopefully, police have asked Jr. if she dropped off laundry and if they ate on the porch.
I agree with Dusty Rose. Misty had an EXCELLENT reputation as a babysitter. I was baby sitting newborns when I was only 10! (I had many younger siblings. Maybe that explains my caretaking abilities.) Some children are wise beyond their years. I actually called Child Protective Services on one of the mothers I babysat for.(Her very young SONS, a baby and a toddler, appeared to be sexually abused. Her daughters would flinch if you “talked with your hands” as if they were going to be hit next. Their alcoholic Daddy was in and out of the picture.) It would be totally out of character for Misty to begin mistreating children. I don’t think she had a problem with the kids. If she did, why not dispose of Jr., too, and “kill two birds with one stone?” I don’t think Misty did it, though she may indeed BE THE KEY to unlocking all of the sordid details.
But back to LINDA, for a moment. Could you clarify whether Ron says his gun is missing to someone on the phone or in the background, speaking to someone else? I haven’t heard this before.
Has anyone thought about the idea of Joe finding out from Misty about those drug dealers and so his revenge was to get in touch with them and tell them where Ron was living now?
Michelle, that would be insane, if true. The answer is probably one we can’t even imagine, so who knows? Very astute thought.
Shockwave said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Maybe all the women in RC’s life are offered up to men. Thus, the reason RC does not care that MC was having sex with other men. Possibly for profit, and continuing the buying and selling of drugs. ‘If you have sex with so and so we will get 30 pills for free.’ Something like that.
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I thought someone mentioned a ring of this going on in that area and that there was involvement by people in that circle… I would like Cobra to reply to this because I think he would know.
Many children who are abused actually try to please their abuser to make them happy so they don’t hurt them more, etc., so it would not be uncommon for there to be happy pictures together, but the child may have marks on them. If it is the face, (IMO) it has gotten really out of control, because usually they don’t leave marks DCFS can see easily, especially if they have already been warned or had involvement with them.
Someone else mentioned Misty made an utterance about “the van they took”, in an interview somewhere. I would think LE should be made aware of this if they didn’t catch it. It would also lead me to believe she was not there when they took off with her or evidence.
Another thought, if Joe went beck the next day, could he have removed the evidence to destroy it that way? By moving any evidence to a whole other state… who else moved? hum… just thinking out loud…
As for the guest doing the analysis, I really hope he has not been run off. I think you have to realize on his blog (which is one’s online journal, private or not, it is your personal thoughts and opinions, which is different that a corporate website. He volunteered his time to help answer our questions and for free. Who cares if he has a paper that says he is whatever, he has shown he is talented in what he is doing and I think it is very helpful. If you don’t like it, don’t read his journal and don’t post I guess. No big deal. Some things in life are worth a fight and some you have to let roll off.
Peace
It was a good show. I read the blog stuff.
Someone wrote as fact that the radio guy had no credentials. The poster used the radio guy’s real name and made some wild accusations as facts.
The radio guy wrote back an analysis of the poster, which I thought was funny and who knows if it is on or not.
what was weird to me was the reactions:
Anonymous poster rails on someone using real name and no one says a word.
Radio guys rails back, without identyfing poster and radio guy was the bad guy?
not a lawyer but it seems like poster libeled radio guy by using his real name, but radio guy railed back without identifying poster.
I read OP’s stuff and he seems to loves to start fights. I get that.
I don’t see why it was unfair for radio guy to fight back.
oh yeah, I say “my daughter” all the time (I have two) especially to strangers. He wasn’t saying that if you say it you are abusive. He said it was NOT RIGHT for Ron to never use caylee no, Haylee’s name and that abusers sometimes avoid using a childs name. The OP seemed to get really upset with it.
Sue
Totally agree. That was something else. I was going back and forth from site to site trying to keep up. Some bloggers over here really got upset and I didn’t get that when HE (radio guy) was outed. I hope Simon has him back just for fun.
Justice for HaLeigh
One of the things that first struck me when I first started following this case (in fact this is probably what made me decide to follow the case)– was the video made the first week that Haleigh disappeared. It was the *way* Ron said what he did about spanking his daughter the way allowed by DCF. I could be wrong, but it struck me at the time that he might have been angry at Haleigh, not just the reporter for asking it. I also wondered if there was some reason he might have had to inform himself about the law regarding spanking.
As the child of a malignantly narcissistic parent, I often do have feelers out for the sort of idea that everything is the kid’s fault. But the impression sort of took me by surprise, I wasn’t looking for it at the time. I came into this cold, and the impression simply hit me in the gut. Of course, blaming Haleigh, if true, does not necessarily mean direct involvement in whatever happened to her.
I’ll try to keep up with the blogs from time to time as I can. I sincerely thank everyone who has been on top of all the developments and provided help to those of us who can’t keep up with it as much as we would like to, and let’s all hope the truth of what happened to this precious child is revealed soon.
Just my opinion.
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