Best show ever. I had heard already about Nancy Grace giving Ron her cell number, but that confirmed it and all my other suspicions about Ron and his involvement. Ron’s lack of emotion while talking about HaLeigh and the river/gators was a shock to me even though I’ve always been very suspicious of Ron, that was a clincher-he knew she was dead from the scripted 911 call.

SiestaKey said,in April 25th, 2010 at 8:44 pm What is the name of the gentleman that gave the “Statement Analysis”?

Thanks.
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Peter Hyatt

Sorry. Doesn’t work in Fl.

Simon & Jan;

I just wanted to say that I think this show was the best yet! If not the absolute best, it would def be high up on the list!

Absolute fantastic information & exchange. I have to say much of what Peter has shared, has also been factors in my own interpretation of what the truth about Haleigh really is. I knowwhat Peter has been sharing is accurate and valid. Peter, thank you for your participation and insights!

Cobra; You are da bomb! Thank you ever so much for taking those risk for Haleigh. Thank you for the recordings and personal insights into Ronald and other “players”. I whole-heartedly want to thank you for revealing the NG info (speed dial) and for the wors Misty used when speaking with Ron about calling off the Re-enactment. It is more than obvious that Ronald was involved in Haleigh’s disappearance/murder. Within days of her gone missing he has already reconsiled himself to that fact that she 1) Was taken away by someone & 2) that she is obviously dead/murdered. He is saying so openly, without emotion, within a few short weeks? J J Johnson’s daughter was taken by a person KNOWN to have murdered her mother right in front of the child and STILL he persisted in the hope that she was still alive LONGER then Ron did. Speaks VOLUMES to me….

Is there a tape floating around of Misty stating to Ron, on speaker phone, ‘they are on to us’?

If not, why not?

If it exists, it’s a game changer.

Hollys Gmom said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:42 pm JNEt;

Your facts just are not the FACTS…

Peter does have creditials…Simon has given them, multiple times.

Not everyone who says “my daughter” instead of a name is a molester. Peter did not imply that. He is talking about a MURDERED child! Now, if your child had been murdered and you refer to her as “My daughter” instead of her name, one could draw that same conclusion. Sorry, but it’s true. How people speak does give insight into their secrets.

People do gain weight in jail, especially when they are poking everything they can get their hands on into that deep dark dank hole in their souls they used to fill with drugs. Now it’s food (cause they can’t get anything else; Lock-down. Gen pop there’s drugs a pleanty…lol) Added to the lack of physical activity and no longer using drugs, he’s gained a considerable amount of weight in a relatively short time.

Sorry, you’re wrong Oxycodone was NOT the Croslin & Ron’s favorite it was OXYCONTIN…we’ve all been discussing it, excchanging encyclopedia articles, drug addicts message board examples and much much more for 14 months now. They used the main-line drug OXYCONTIN. Now HYDROCODONE does play it’s part as it was one of the drugs they SOLD to support their OXYCONTIN habits. They didn’t use the HYDROCODONE as much and the OXYCONTIN.

Drug addicts ARE very compliant & passive when high…I would think with your degree, you would have known that. Peter DID NOT say addicts GAIN weight…he said they will chronically be UNDER WEIGHT due to not eating, especially heavy or main-line users…DID we listen to the same show?

It’s one thing to critic the show, it’s another thing entirely to mis-represent the content of the show, in part or in full.

Ohh watch out! The RONETTES are fighting mad and out for BLOOD…guess what…so are the Haleighettes….
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Huge thank you HGM! Excellent post!!! Couldn’t have stated it any better. You go girl:)

First of all give me one web site….. just one… with Peter Wyatt’s credentials. Is that really too much to ask for?? Obviously I am a really bad person to ask for something so basic.

I will not even begin to debate Oxy addiction with you….. if you want to believe abusers are complacent, that is absolutely your right and decision to do so..obviously based on no actual knowledge.. I have yet to find anywhere that the Croslin/Cumming drug trade was in anything other hydrocodone or speaking of roxies….. seriously doubt they were in the league or had the monies to deal with the big boys in heroin/Oxycontin.

PS I did have a child die….. from cancer and to this day I refer to her as my daughter… how dare you? and does that work into your innuendo “secrets”?

ps I have no idea of what the ronettes vs and I will not quote you bacause I think what you said is and was beyond insensitive… So call me ignorant again, I don’t have a clue of what your “ohh watch out” meant. And quite frankly, I hope I never understand your line of thinking.

Fantastic Peter! Thank you for teaching us. We are all lost in a sea of LIES!! Nothing but LIES. Thanks for helping us try to make some sense of it all. Two little girls are gone … too soon.
Grandma Flo is in the hospital?

So we are still pondering the legitimacy of peters hyatt’s credentials?

I can’t hear the show due to my bb’s limitations.

Is he legit? Not his theories, but his credentials to offer up more than a laymans or hardcore crime junkies(good people:)) opinion based on ones own research on such matters?

He may right by accident, he may be right by research or he may be right based on education and experience dealing with cases and it has been proved that he’s on the money 99% of the time.

Which is it?

My “watch-out” comment about the Ronettes is due to the “fall-out” this show will bring because it puts ROnald Cummings in a “bad light”. ANYONE who follows this case, especially since the beginning, should understand what I was referring to. In other words “THE board will be lit up tonight!”

As per the drug addict info I have, it’s from being raised by one, a whole family of about 50 addicts whom I do not associate with even though we all live in the same small town. My own father died on the stem of a crack pipe. I KNOW Drug addicts, inside & out. They are happy, fun-loving people when they have their “fix” but are hostile & irrate when searching for one. I have one cousin who lives so close that only a fence seperates my yard from hers. She is and has been for years a severe drug addict. For a little while she tried to “clean-up” but had resumed her drug use. I was recently told by someone known to us both that she will literally rip open a morphine pain patch and LICK the sticky off it to get high. She has 2 small children in the home as well. Sometimes life experience offers one a world full of education.

Hi, just one!

Cobra did say he was wearing a wire, when Misty called and she was on speaker phone. He also said Art Harris was sitting right there.

I have to question why it’s not circulating along with these other tapes, you know?

I would like to see Nancy Grace play that one over and over and over.

Simon? Cobra? Can that be uploaded? Please.

Wow, a typo garners that type of response. Talk about cranky…hehehehehe

Seriously, if anyone has thoughts that aren’t the “norm” or you don’t like or agree with them, move on to the next salient point you like, agree or at least respect. Seems like a waste of time to try and “win” an argument on the net to the point it bothers you. Keep the discussion civil without name calling and disparaging others and I for one will keep reading all sides of the matter. EVERYONE keep on doing what you are doing. The discussion is very interesting to me.

Of course, discourse is more fun for people to watch, let’s be honest.:) TMZ ain’t popular for no reason.

Jaba
-listening once, twice, three times a lady…ooops, went off in song.:)

HG, you are the one who is mistaken. Oxycodones or roxies are their drug of choice. Oxycontin is a stronger (usually) dose of oxycodone intended for extended release. Oxycodone alone or as part of other drugs is taken more often than Oxycontin is meant to be. They are the same thing though there are meds that contain oxycodone and other ingredients.

The drugs Donna got from Va were Oxycodones I believe and what Tommy got were “roxies” a form of oxycodone under a different name. The drugs Hank Sr accused him of stealing and the ones at the bus stop were forms of oxydodone (roxies) not oxycontin (the pure version extended release).

Every time I heard RC say “my daughter” I questioned his motives. However, the one time that was most telling for me was:

On the jailhouse tape of RC’s phone conversation with TN, she asks him why he is crying. He says, “Because I wish I knew where my daughter was.”

For me that was what told me for certain that he is involved in the cover-up, and in a big way.

Who talks like that to family? I might say it that way to a casual acquaintance, or maybe a co-worker or my boss–people who do not know my child very well. But this was his mother, Haleigh’s grandmother!! so to me the statement sounded like an act for the benefit of the recording.

It would be similar to someone saying to their mother, “I need to leave now, Mom, to take my daughter to her dentist appointment.” People just do not talk like that with family. With family or even with close friends, parents refer to a child by NAME.

I have always believed RC is involved in the cover-up but I still believe that if he is responsible for Haleigh’s demise, it resulted from discipline gone wrong or drugs within her reach; IOW, it was unintentional.

I must admit, however, that the reason I cannot let myself think it was intentional is that I do not want to face the possibility that the last person Haleigh saw as she died was…Daddy.

I only caught about the last 30 minutes of the show today.. I do believe at this point in the game.. there is no point in taking sides.. and no point in protecting anyone.. I think all of us are setting back totally confused as to all the what if’s, and the maybe who’s..
To Random Thoughts, not to my knowledge.. there is no tape like that, in existence.

I did read something today, I know where I read it, but not sure where the poster found it to post..
“It stated that around the 2ish hour on the night Haleigh went missing, there was a 911 call from Tommys house to PCSO, and when 911 answered they hung up…”
Now, if this is true and not just a rumor or thought up.. then it would be the reason the Deputy might have been at Tommys thats listed on the dispatch tape..
Has anyone ever heard about a hangup call that night???

I thought the biggest red flag was the 911 call when Ronald was yelling in the background, i’ll kill whoever took my daughter. There was no cooperating with LE. Someone who was cooperating to me would have called them himself, would be frantically asking for help (not threatening to hang up). It seemed like
he was purposely interrupting the interaction between Misty and the operator. Almost, like he was trying to give her time to think about her answers.

Just read on another site that Grandma Hollars is in the hospital…possible stroke.

It’s almost pathetic watching NG trying to slant the Cummings case. She has lost all objectivity.
Is it something in the way he says Ms Nancy? Is it all about her fear of having to leave her kids to go to work (just like Ronald)?

By the way I really enjoyed the show tonight. There’s a lot to be said for “statement analysis” but I think he may have placed too much emphasis on the “my daughter” comments. I think when someone is missing for a period of time you would refer to them as “my daughter”. Unless you were specifically talking about or being asked about “Haleigh’.

I would like to see NG’s show taken off the air. I realize it is just an entertainment show but many people to not realize this and will believe everything they hear NG or her cronies say. I cannot even imagine why HLN does not make the best of an opportunity to seek the truth and justice–but there is no time for justice when there are ratings to be had!

Sorry, off topic but I have had it with the NG circus.

Kool Look…you can listen to the show now, just click on the link in the article above.

The show was so good I am will be listening again. A lot of useful information to be had and I encourage you to listen.

TY/hugs Cathargic will do. Nite nite.

Oxycontin is a Chronic Pain medication, the timed release version of Oxycodone, which is a Schedule II Controlled Substance (Opiate). Others that are Schedule II are Morphine, Demerol, Methadone, Dilaudid, etc. Oxycodone is the generic name OxyContin is the brand name for that drug. Oxycodone is sold under various generic and combination brand names – for example, Oxycodone/apap is the same as Percocet.

Because of its time release component and effectiveness of at least 12 hours (the reality is closer to 8-10 for opiate tolerant patients, only 7 for me when I used to take it years ago) it is normally prescribed as a chronic pain medication.

Schedule II narcotics cannot have refills; the prescription cannot be called in by anyone; each prescription refill can only be obtained by getting a new prescription from your doctor each time. This is the biggest difference between Schedule II and Schedule III drugs.

Hydrocodone is a Schedule III controlled substance, and is usually sold under the brand name Vicodin. Schedule III drugs can be refilled a limited number of times, and it can be called in to a pharmacy. The opiate and effectiveness is much lower than it is with Schedule II drugs. Schedule II drugs are either prescribed for short term severe pain, or for people like me who have chronic severe pain lasting years, they are prescribed in quantity and on a regular basis. Vicodin and other S-III drugs are what’s known as Acute Pain drugs, pain that is expected to go away after an injury or operation heals, or pain that isn’t bad enough to require a Schedule II drug

I just wanted to add that I enjoyed the show also.

Nice job to all involved.

UGGGG..OK I’m back Kool Look. I agree this site isn’t over-moderated but when I saw that comment from Simon it gave me flashbacks of AH and I dispise him. Even though I don’t agree I liked reading JNet’s opionion. I still love you Simon.
While I was away I was looking for another blog to date and went to Peter (Seamus’s) WOW – he had a very interting post from an “anonymous” with a very well thought out theory that almost answers every question….here is the string:

Anonymous said…
In my theory-
This is a retaliation abduction and murder by drug thugs. All involved in the cover up, including Ron. Joe is not involved.
What was involved in the coverup? Lots of phonecalls. Tommy, Misty and Timmy and Timmy’s van moving all pot plants to the Mondex, disposing of weapons, drugs and stolen items is my guess. Chelsea and Lindsy to keep their mouths shut, Joe likely passed out at Timmy’s and kept in the dark. Teresa? Maybe. And Misty and Ron, play-acting innocence on the 911 call..although I do believe they really were freaking out about what they knew had happened.
“Operation Streetsweep” has been going on since Haleigh was taken. It is a tri-county operation with Putnam, Flagler and St. John’s. They have been sifting for their perps since day 1. Tommy finally pointed in the right direction.
They all face serious charges, including Ron, for the coverup, and also for serious crime previously, which Tommy fessed up to for a plea deal.
I believe Tommy pointed them to the river to find evidence of the crime they did to cause this retaliation. None of them know where Haleigh’s body is, including LE.

Sunday, 25 April, 2010

Seamus O Riley said…
Anonymous–

this is something that I never gave a thought to AFTER the police said, “Ron is not a suspect” I did no analysis, nor gave it much thought.

His 911 statement “how’d you let my daughter get stole, *?” disavows any stranger abduction but sounds more like a drug retaliation, which fits in why he would threaten to kill the person who had Haleigh.

I’ve not heard of Operation Streetsweep….are you local there?

Can you share more info?

Sunday, 25 April, 2010

Anonymous said…
I will give you the info I dug up..what is your email addy?

Sunday, 25 April, 2010

Anonymous said…
No, not a local..heavens no, and never would dream of a re-location anywhere near there 🙂
I dug around for the past 2 years of reported crimes and drug busts. A definite pattern emerged since Haleigh went missing. An interesting pattern and potential connections.

These drug addled idiots wouldn’t have the luck or the brains to proficiently pull off a cover-up. I think LE knew pretty quickly. The problem is, they weren’t talking, so all LE could do thus far is to give the drug underbelly a good shaking. A Sheriff called it “Operation Streetsweep” in a news article and I believe they have been looking for the right perps for the last year, with no help from these losers. I think Tommy took a plea and is helping point the direction now and LE is scrambling behind the scenes before the rats scurry. Flo will be lookin’ the fool when she finds out that the river search was only “related to the Haleigh case” and for what I believe was an evidence search for related crime Tommy told LE about to help connect their crime to the perps. No bones, no cinder blocks, no yellow rope. All rumor. Flo’s story? ALL BS made up from watching Nancy Grace and Art Harris.
LE led everyone to believe it..but put their foot down when reports of her bones were found started to swirl in the media.. only the thugs who took her would know that. By taking Tommy and Misty to the river, it further mislead the public and the killers. The killers would think Tommy and Misty were lying and taking LE on a goose chase. So, it bought LE time to collect the evidence there, and not have the killers worried and running..since Shell Harbor was not the place of their crime.
Bestest yet, think of Ronald in the family jail meeting pooping his pants because HE knew WHY they were at Shell Harbor, but the rest of the family didn’t. He knew Tommy had ratted them out. Ronald knew what was in Shell Harbor…and it wasn’t Haleigh.

Theories of course, but if I am wrong, I plan to write one hell of a crime fiction novel…kidding 🙂

Sunday, 25 April, 2010

Anonymous said…
Another thing. By saying “Ron is not a suspect” to me means this:
1. Not a suspect for the murder (they knew it was retaliation)
2. Being careful what they say because Ron had a solid alibi and really was at work.
3. Misty has always just been “the key”.

The hushing of his fellow employees should reveal interesting commentary at some point. Who overheard some kind of crisis unfolding at home and what was his demeanor? Panic? How many different people did he call? Did he stay at work for a solid alibi, knowing it was too late to do anything to save her? Was he directing the cover-up with the others over the phone and helped when he got home?

Just read about the possibility of Flo being hospitalized. I hope not. As goofy as she is, I hope she’s ok.

I also hope we see some tapes next week from jailhouse phone calls that tells us something. I have an idea though, that LE is going to be more tight lipped than ever after the latest developments and leaks. Of course, if they a really good LE, they know what they are doing to get to the bottom of this and if they play bloggers and cable news junkies and private eyes and bailbondsmen and the suspects, against each other and the truth comes out. 3 cheers for them.

The sheriff told us after the search that it would probably be about 2 weeks before there were any arrests. I am going to give this some time, before I think all that happened lately was in vain. The fact that LE has gotten quiet, again, is most likely good news. I believe they have a reason to change this case to a homicide investigation.

kitty kat @12:54 am:

It’s interesting to see the theory Anonymous has outlined. That theory has been discussed here a few times and possibly those who brought it up still have it on their “theories list.”

Some of us have done some intense listening to the 911 call. There are a number of versions of the call online, but if you can find one in its entirety (unedited by media), you will hear things being said that might lend credence to a theory such as Anonymous describes.

In the full unedited version, Ron can clearly be heard in the background saying in a very agitated voice, “We’re f***ed! I didn’t have nothin’ to do with this!” (That’s from my memory so it may not be verbatim but if not, it is very close.)

I have believed for quite some time that LE knew what happened that night but they just were not sure WHO and WHY.

I hope the answer becomes clear soon and that those involved are held accountable.

Justice for Haleigh!

I loved the show and have been listening to it again. Thanks Simon and Jan it was darn good. Very informing.

Leaving and making it easier for those your oppose civily only allows one point of view to prevail.

I think those who leave a good discussion and a worthy topic are only punishing themselves and the open discussion of topics.

If we ran every time we encountered resistance we’d be no better than the sheep some don’t want to be.

And to be fair, for the relatively short time I’ve been reading here, simon and company have their Heart in the right place with respect to what is presented, as many here do.

Let’s get a little thicker skin and continue the debate and search for answers and justice.

Sound good?

I will add my goodbyes to the others. I don’t like the rumors and flat out ridiculous accusations allowed on today’s show. To accuse a father of probably molesting his daughter based on the words he uses is beyond anything the awful Art Harris would do. I’m pretty appalled that TJ and Sky News would be associated with this.

I’m sure you’ve noticed some others that have been here a long time that have given up. I’ll join them now.

To JAN – you are a heck of a person. I can’t put into words the admiration I have for you. Keep your heart in the right place because you are a gem.

Hi Karon, I agree. I thought the show was great and the panel was well-chosen and the show ran smoothly with everyone on the panel having input. JMO

Simon and Jan are the fairest people, I have run across, running a blog. They try their best and I’m sure sometimes it gets to be too much. He didn’t say it in a mean way just a matter of fact way.

Hollysgmom,
If anything family members should learn from this is if there are children in a home with a known addict,kids should be taken out of the home.I hope DCF has been contacted about your relative’s children.

I do not think RC killed Haleigh. I just cannot wrap my mind around him doing such a thing, yet at the same time I feel he carries around an enormous amount of guilt over what happened to Haleigh.

RC is clearly distraught over Haleigh. I can feel his pain, but I also believe he may be guilty of something that led up to what happened. I have no idea what that might be, but it is something big, imo. I believe the other players know what that something big is.

RC’s choice of words in many interviews and on the 911 call were indications that he knew Haleigh was not coming home, imo. I have no idea how he knew, but if it turns out that he did this horrendous deed, I will be shocked.

From the very start, that blanket that Misty was bringing into the interviews caught ny attention. I thought, that is a funny thing to bring up in an interview of a missing child. I thought about all of the reasons that she would have for bringing up the washing of the blanket, and her blanket was in the van that they took. Then she went into taking one off of the window for her and Jr to cover with. That is alot of extra information to bring into an interview about a missing child. There has to be a reason for that whole subject on Misty’s part.

I wondered, at first, if she was trying to impress people that she was taking good care of Haleigh. I wondered what happened to Haleigh’s blanket. I wondered if she was wrapped in the blanket when she left the house. I don’t know if it is true, but I read a report a few days ago that LE was looking for the blanket during this search, as evidence.

The gun is another thing that keeps coming up with both Misty and Ronald. Cuz Joe keeps coming up, also. There has to be a reason for that gun to keep coming up.

Tim Miller said this place that they searched was one of the ones Misty named for Tim to do a search. I have thought several times that Misty is giving out some hints, but she doesn’t want to be directly responsible for telling LE exactly what happened and where to look. I have wondered if she wants an end to it all, but she is covering for someone about something.

I don’t think Ron would have been high that night. We don’t know what Ron may have been told about what happened to Haleigh. If it had something to do with illegal drugs, that would have brought Ron into it. also.

I am crashing for awhile. BBL

I am wondering if the thug that did the retalliation on RC, by killing Haleigh, was JO. In those last audios, RC was telling Cobra that he was scared of JO. That is the only time I have ever heard RC say that he was scared of someone.

There is all this talk about JO might have been the one to have taken Haleigh, but RC never followed JO back to Tenn to force him to tell where Haleigh was. I always wondered why.

RC doesn’t seem to be the kind of person to back away from a fight, but he says he is scared of JO. Maybe, that is the real reason RC wants to crush both of JO’s hands. He knows that would keep JO from any further revenge. Remember, RC’s statement about some sorry piece of trash came in and took his daughter and when the time was right, RC was going to take the trash out.

I am beginning to wonder if JO did this over revenge about that gun. Somehow, RC did not want LE in on this fight over the gun. He denied the fight. I wonder if the gun was part of a drug or illegal gun trading deal that RC, JO, and TC were involved in. That would keep them all quiet, if they would all go to jail, if the truth came out. MC may have not talked because she loved RC. That is one scenario that I can see that RC wouldn’t blame MC. IMO

It has become blatantly obvious that this website has nothing newsworthy, or even journalistic about it.

It’s a few people in a “van down by the river” playing TJ Hooker in their spare time.

Y’all get a real job !!!!!!!

Jay, then why do you keep coming back and Reading? Exactly.

maryd, it has been mentioned maybe the shirts were nightshirts, and yes, who was with her when she drove up? Why not wait until after dinner to change into the night shirts? Surely not change them before they finish eating???? Especially Jr. who probably gets a little messy while eating because of his age, but I really want to know if this is TRUE and if they really did see both kids, and yes, I too wonder who was with ggma. So much hinges on if this is true or not, if true, Haleigh was alive after Ron went to work, if not true, Haleigh could have been already gone??????

If Haleigh’s abduction were some sort of retaliation carried out by “dope boys” then it would be possible she’s still alive. Wouldn’t it? Couldn’t they have sold her? I was in mourning last week but now I feel that was premature. I won’t believe she’s dead until someone proves she is. People should still be actively seeking her if there is no evidence to support the notion she is deceased. She could be in a sex slave ring or something godawful like that.

Why would “dope boys” kill her when there is money to be made?

As far as Sunday’s show — I haven’t listened yet. I have a hard time sitting still that long. I wish there were transcripts.

I wish I had superpowers. I’d start with Haleigh and wouldn’t stop until… well, I suppose I’d never stop — there’s always someone out there hurting someone else.

Given my history with my own father, it sort of surprises me that I’m not more suspicious of Ron. I can easily imagine a beating gone wrong or gone too far because it happened to me on several occasions. I was Daddy’s Little Girl, too. My father even called my mother at work (they were long-divorced by then) and threatened to kill me if she didn’t come pick me up right away. Ron seems like he might have a temper.

I’ve also wondered if Haleigh may have been more vulnerable to head trauma because of the bad fall she had on the monkey bars. That injury actually changed the shape of Haleigh’s face. A punch to the face from an adult could be enough to cause serious damage on its own, never mind a punch delivered on top of a not-so-old injury. My father broke my nose when I was seven and every injury I’ve recieved in that area since then aggravates the old injury. I also have a seizure disorder from brain lesions due to head trauma at my father’s hands. I’ve read a lot of different abuse stories in the news and all so I know it could have been much worse for me. There are children who go through much more abuse than I did — if I’m this physically damaged, what’s it like for kids who were beat even worse? You know, the ones who by some miracle do not die?

All just speculation — I really feel if she were dead they would have some evidence by now. Why did LE decide this is a homicide? I wish someone would at least tell us why they now believe Haleigh is dead. I don’t believe it.

The addition of Mr. Hyatt who brought a new voice and ideas to the show I thought was excellent. The very idea of questioning his credentials makes no sense. He seemed objective to me, what more do people want?

For the poster that said oxycodone = percocet, percocet is a combination of oxycodone and tylenol. Oxycodone is a miracle drug to many without a doubt. It is a shame that those that rely on it to just get through the day due to their chronic pain get treated like street addicts when they fill a prescription, or have to go to multiple pharmacies to find one that will even carry the drug. The abusers have done a number on those that really need this drug.

OJ’s glove — if it was a stranger abduction, then where is Haleigh now? With the stranger? Deceased? If deceased, where is her body? Most of the cases you mention as examples have been resolved by now — or, we at least know where each of those children are now. Where is Haleigh?

Hollys Gmom said,
in April 25th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

JNEt;

Your facts just are not the FACTS…

Peter does have creditials…Simon has given them, multiple times.

Not everyone who says “my daughter” instead of a name is a molester. Peter did not imply that. He is talking about a MURDERED child! Now, if your child had been murdered and you refer to her as “My daughter” instead of her name, one could draw that same conclusion. Sorry, but it’s true. How people speak does give insight into their secrets.

People do gain weight in jail, especially when they are poking everything they can get their hands on into that deep dark dank hole in their souls they used to fill with drugs. Now it’s food (cause they can’t get anything else; Lock-down. Gen pop there’s drugs a pleanty…lol) Added to the lack of physical activity and no longer using drugs, he’s gained a considerable amount of weight in a relatively short time.

Sorry, you’re wrong Oxycodone was NOT the Croslin & Ron’s favorite it was OXYCONTIN…we’ve all been discussing it, excchanging encyclopedia articles, drug addicts message board examples and much much more for 14 months now. They used the main-line drug OXYCONTIN. Now HYDROCODONE does play it’s part as it was one of the drugs they SOLD to support their OXYCONTIN habits. They didn’t use the HYDROCODONE as much and the OXYCONTIN.

Drug addicts ARE very compliant & passive when high…I would think with your degree, you would have known that. Peter DID NOT say addicts GAIN weight…he said they will chronically be UNDER WEIGHT due to not eating, especially heavy or main-line users…DID we listen to the same show?

It’s one thing to critic the show, it’s another thing entirely to mis-represent the content of the show, in part or in full.

Ohh watch out! The RONETTES are fighting mad and out for BLOOD…guess what…so are the Haleighettes….
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I’m pretty sick of your RONETTES all the time. It’s childish and pretty pathetic.. what are you 12 or something? If someone doesn’t believe Ron had anything to do with what happened to Haleigh you give them a childish nickname..I think some people are going to be surprised in the next couple of week..just squat and watch.

He did accuse Ron of molesting Haleigh and some of us did look for his credentials before hand and there’s nothing on the net. His analysis are almost word for word the same as Mr. McClish.

I have not read every post… and actually will not read them. However, these are my thoughts/opinions.

I have no issue with “my daughter” being used. I say “my son” all the time when I’m speaking to someone regarding him. I understand that when someone goes kidnapped, the parents/relatives are told to say their name as much as possible to humanize their loved one, to the predator.

There is a such thing as reading too much into some/every thing!

It’s normal for people to say My Daugher or My Son. All posters do it and they can deny it if they want just to further the conspiracy theory that everyone has involving this whole clan.

I DO NOT like Ron at all, am not a “fan” of his, but if you speak out against the statement analysis, then you are branded a Ron lover. Ummm ok! As a matter of fact, I think he is a thug and that has nothing to do with my opinion of Peter. There!

vaquera said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:01 am
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Applause!

Thank you Vaq, you wrote it much nicer than I would have.

Now watch the web go wild with these allegations, they’ll all be swearing they’re FACTS in no time….UGH, total B/S.

Oh, HGM…I believe we’re all here for Haleigh, are we not all Haleighettes?

Good point Noreen. I think a lot of people aren’t here for HaLeigh, they’re here to crucify Ron and don’t care about HaLeigh at all.

I just listened to Cobra talking about Ron’s telephone conversation with Misty prior to what would have been doing the re-enactment scene of the events that took place at the MH on the night Haleigh vanished.
Misty allegedly said either “He is on to us” or “They are on to us” and to get away from Cobra. She also apparently threatens to leave Ron and move to N.C.
If it were that only Misty herself had done something to Haleigh then why would there be any room whatsoever for Misty to make any such threats against/towards Ronald?

It seems that both Cobra’s testimony of what he had overheard and/or the taped conversations that Cobra has could very possibly be used a evidence in this case.

I won’t comment on who is here for HaLeigh, ’cause, frankly I don’t care! And I can’t see into anyone’s heart, in fact NO ONE has that ability!

curious – if I had to pick between believing Cobra or Ron and Misty….my bet is on Cobra! LOL

JB said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:46 am curious – if I had to pick between believing Cobra or Ron and Misty….my bet is on Cobra! LOL
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We can agree to disagree :), my money would be on Ron.

beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 10:25 am

I have not read every post… and actually will not read them. However, these are my thoughts/opinions.

I have no issue with “my daughter” being used. I say “my son” all the time when I’m speaking to someone regarding him. I understand that when someone goes kidnapped, the parents/relatives are told to say their name as much as possible to humanize their loved one, to the predator.

There is a such thing as reading too much into some/every thing!

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Cent, that is a very fair and balanced post!! Thank you!!! I also say “my son”……all the time.

Accusing a father or mother of a missing child of abusing, especially sexually abusing the child with out fact is not only sick and cruel it is absolutely unprofessional. It is the worst excuse for journalism that I have ever seen. It saddens me how far he have sank in the crave for trash over seeking just the truth here.

Hypothetically speaking and for all we know there could have been some type of retalliation going on and if possibly that neither R nor M did anything directly to cause Haleigh’s disappearance and possible death, accountability for their actions, behaviors, and lifestyle etc.. that may have contributed to what has happened are still subject for concern.
Especially if they knew what happened and possibly had information all this time that could have quickly lead LE to finding Haleigh and possibly saving her life, if she is now in fact deceased.

IMO the search of the river was most likely a red herring regardless if some form of evidence may or may not have been found regarding this case or possibly even another case unrelated to Haleigh’s disappearance. I do not believe that Haleigh was placed in the water as has been suggested by some.
It seems possible to me that the information that was given to LE regarding the tip directing them to the river area was possibly another attempt to deflect away from the location of real evidence directly relating to Haleigh’s whereabouts. jmvho

Vaquera @ 9:49: They were outside (screened porch is outside of the MH).

@ 10:01: “His analysis are almost word for word the same as Mr. McClish.”

That’s to be expected because they’re both doing verbal polygraphy. Peter said “I’ve yet to encounter two analysis works to actually disagree one with another”.

“It’s not like one says ‘deceptive’ and the other says ‘not deceptive’.”

“I’ve yet to encounter that or even read about that. It is more that one picked up A, B, C, D, but the other picked up those as well as E and F.”

Even with the Casey Anthony case you had/have defenders of Casey (and family). The evidence against Casey is pretty overwhelming but there are those that still believe she is innocent. My point is that even when LE charges someone, I think there will be a lot of people to defend them (whoever they are). GAWD forbid they charge Misty. OJ will have a flippin’ meltdown! LOL

treece said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:52 am

Accusing a father or mother of a missing child of abusing, especially sexually abusing the child with out fact is not only sick and cruel it is absolutely unprofessional. It is the worst excuse for journalism that I have ever seen. It saddens me how far he have sank in the crave for trash over seeking just the truth here.
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Very well said.

JB said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:46 am curious – if I had to pick between believing Cobra or Ron and Misty….my bet is on Cobra! LOL
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Errrrr, for me to believe Cobra I’d have to know who he was currently living with. He changes his opinions and theories more than he changes his underwear. Although I did notice his ‘dig’ at PicASSio yesterday, she must be out of favor again.

Jason….AMEN. I agree completely. This isn’t subjective science. It is looking for certain words, use of past tense, etc. There really isn’t a “gray area”. Either they use past tense or they don’t. Or say they are giving a report to LE of the events of that night…..using Casey Anthony as an example….when she described to LE the day Caylee went missing she did it in present tense….example…..”I’m driving to Saw Grass Apartments, I knock on the door, no one is answering”….which shows she is making it up as she goes along rather than recalling the events from memory….if she were recalling the events, it would be stated in past tense….”I DROVE to Saw Grass Apartments, KNOCKED on the door, no one ANSWERED”. Also, giving over the top and excessive amounts of detail is a sign of deception.

But basically, you could put 10 speech analysists in a room, let them review the exact same transcript and you’d ultimately get the same results because it isn’t based on opinion…it is based on the words themselves, how they are used, etc. There really is no interpretation. They look for certain words and either they are there or they aren’t.

Simon and Jan thanks for the show Sunday very interesting.

I for one keep going back to theses two cases.

Haleigh’s case is so familer to Amanda Dougherty and Riley Fox.
Right down to the fathers, and the questions that were never answer.

both cases are still unsovled.

In fact Riley father sue the court.
April 7,2010

An appeals court Wednesday agreed with a federal jury’s 2007 finding that Will County police framed Kevin Fox for the rape and murder of his 3-year-old daughter Riley, but reduced the damages awarded to Fox and his wife from $12.2 million to $8 million.

I understand why pcso is so tight lip. we don’t want this to happen in Haleigh’s case.

JNet @ 9:58 pm: ” … give me one web site, just one, with Peter Wyatt’s credentials.”

Credentials ‘posted’ on a Web site aren’t neccessarily truth, JNet. Anyone can put a site up and claim credentials galore, and people who really do have the credentials don’t always post them online.

I trust Simon and Jan related to us Peter Hyatt’s true ‘credentials’, but you don’t.

Yes, you dissed Mr. Hyatt by intentionally calling him Wyatt.

Treece said: Accusing a father or mother of a missing child of abusing, especially sexually abusing the child with out fact is not only sick and cruel it is absolutely unprofessional. It is the worst excuse for journalism that I have ever seen. It saddens me how far he have sank in the crave for trash over seeking just the truth here.
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that ranks right up there with when the murderer of polly klass said in court, that polly said “just don’t do me like my dad”..
absoutely despicable!

Apparently the telephone conversation between Ron and Misty was on speaker phone so Cobra and Art were innocent witnesses none the less and it seems to me that their testimony would be valuable evidence all by itself. If anyone were in the wrong on that it would be Ron for having his cell set on speaker phone.

B*A – if it wasn’t, it should have been reported to LE. But I think LE hasn’t always been open to listening to what Cobra has to say. I could be wrong but I thought he tried to give them all these tapes he had made and they weren’t interested in them. Not sure why and not totally sure that is accurate….but that’s what I remember.

Jason I agree with you about Flora. I too believe that she is telling the truth about what she was told.

PS
It is sad to hear that she may have suffered a stroke.
~Get well soon Flora Hollers~

I think Ron spoke of her in the past tense because I think he knew in his heart she was likely dead but wanted to hold on to hope that she wasn’t that’s why he would plead for her return… If you’re wrapped up in the life style they were in you can’t really imagine the best outcome in this kind of situation… JMHO

Tuff, I do too but what she was told is probably what Misty and others spun for her to tell on NG. So sad that they would do that to someone who loved them. jmo

Jason, If you go and listen to others talk on camera convrsations like TN,GGMSykes or the Sheffields you hear her name mentioned as Haleigh not my grand daughter or daughter.Just thought this would help you out. jmo

Thanks JB @11:54

Jason, in your last post you answered that. When you’re speaking of your child to others outside your family, someone that hasn’t met them, you say my daughter. Too me, that’s what Ron did.

Grant it, I still don’t trust him!

IMO Ron is distancing himself by not mentioning Haleigh’s name. At first ok I get it he says, “My Daughter” but after saying “My Daughter” a few times during the conversation and after finding out that the person he was talking to actually knows and functionally uses Haleigh’s name during this same conversation, the continued use of saying “My Daughter” leans towards possessive distancing. imvho
It comes across to me in the same manner as when Misty says “that Child”. (As we all know Misty cannot say “My Child” because Haleigh was not Misty’s Child.)

Instead of directly using Haleigh’s name Ron chose to repeatedly use a noun in place of her name.
A noun obviously only “describes” a person, place or thing.

Cobra repeatedly acknowledged Haleigh by name so Ron’s repeated use of a noun was very un-necessary imvho.

I have twins and they hate when their friends call them “the twins”, it takes away from their “individual status”… lol

I have never said in conversation with a relative or friend anything but their names though. My co workers use their childrens names also I observed this as a test last night. I started a conversation about kids at lunch just to see if they would. I have not met them but I know their names. One of them added both, Guess what my daughter Kori did this morning….jmo

Right Tobias but think about this…are you saying it defensively?

Are you saying this to people whom you are speaking with who are outside of your comfort zone?
People that you do not “really” want to be close to or knowing about information pertaining to your Child?

I too am a Parent and I speak defensively when it come to having anything to do with my Children.

~BUT~

Why would that be the case if your Child were missing and you are desperately reliant upon someone to help find your Child? Wouldn’t you want to be as open with the person who was searching desperately for your Child? Wouldn’t you want them to know your Child’s name at minimum? Why the continued defensive manner of speech?

I agree, the usage was not what it should have been. Like with my co worker it would have been from Ron my daughter haleigh if he was talking to someone he was less personal with.
And since Cobra kept using her name it is strange that he keeps saying his daughter.

Maybe one of you can do this test at work or somewhere to see how it works out?? Could be interesting to see what happens. jmo

Most likely what would happen is that the person you are speaking to would realize that you are being very defensive of your family member and would possibly even realize that they are not welcome inside your comfort zone…at all.

Tobias – he says “JR” but then says “my daughter” when referring to Haleigh…..

So what I have said thus far doesn’t come off wrong, I’m no expert on none of this stuff. I am interested in what Peter Hyatt’s thoughts are and in the field that he teaches. My own thoughts on this subject are just that and the study about this case subject parallels my opinions.

Cent 🙂 Feel like adopting me? J/K J/K!

Wasn’t it interesting that Cobra kept saying “my girl” yesterday when he was referring to his girlfriend. Why didn’t he say Paula?? I guess the “expert” would say that means he sexually abuses her.
I call that BS, I have the feeling she would work his ass over if he even tried! Of course it doesn’t but when it comes to Ron it does. We just need about one more biased “expert” to push me over the edge.
I guess Jan must sexually abuse her son too. Because she says, “my son” or “my baby son” or “my youngest son” when she refers to him too.
NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would believe Jan abuses anyone, ever!!!! Of course that doesn’t mean that.
But when Ron says it, it means he is a pervert who sexually abused his missing 5 year old.
Pathetic!

Cent, I was just kidding but I truly think you must have a wonderful family.
I was talking about my GrandMother here just the other day. She was 104. She passed away in her sleep just yesterday. I’m really gonna miss seeing her smiling face. I wsn’t kidding about her threatening some of the smart mouth youngin’s with a fry pan though. I never seen her do it but I would have never put it past her neither.

tt y’all later.

Hey Guys,any new news,LoL
Dunno how long i can stay b/c.I got the shock of my life yesterday when my birth brother showed up outta the blue,I met him once 16 yrs ago and he just showed up yesterday,LoL
he’s gone right now just looking around,lol so i wanted to see if there has been any changes about Haleigh?

(((((((((((((Tuff)))))))))))))
I am sorry you lost your Grandmother!
I know theres no way to say the words that will help you but I hate to hear that~I am truly sorry!

Treece…no one is saying if you call your son “my son” or your daughter “my daughter” that you molest them. That ISN’T what we’re talking about. Calling your girlfriend “my girl” sounds more like a pet name or term of endearment to me anyway.

We’re TALKING about Ron not saying Haleigh’s name when in the same sentence he says “Jr”. He calls JR by name but says “my daughter” when talking about Haleigh.

When you are talking to your family (like Ron was with his mother) you would normally call your child by their name…..not say MY SON or MY DAUGHTER because when you say their name your family would know who you are talking about. However, if I posted a comment on here that said “Bob got hurt at school” you guys would be “Who the heck is Bob?”….Instead I would say “My son got hurt at school” and you would then know who I was talking about. And if you are talking to someone who KNOWS your child’s name and speaks it themself, why is it Ron doesn’t? THAT is what we are talking about along with the use of past tense.

I’m not even talking about the molestation. I’m more concerned with him distancing himself and talking about her like he knows she is dead.

everybodys gone,lol I’ll try to come back on and catch yas here!

Tobias…I agree….it is a TOOL…just like a LDT…something LE can use. I believe it DOES have merit…but you are right…it isn’t a crystal ball. It is merely a TOOL. I wouldn’t send someone to the electric chair based solely on they said “my daughter” for Pete’s sake. But if you REALLY read the things on Peter’s website and how they disect sentences, use of words, uses of tenses (past and present), certain word usage, extent of detail, etc., I believe you can see red flags and that can be useful to LE is determining if someone is lying to them. The way someone acts along with their words have ALWAYS been a factor in who LE was looking at as a suspect. Speech Analysis just explains WHY it is so key and how it can be USEFUL to LE.

jb, I totally agree and I have used it when my own kids tell fibs. Everyone has at some point.
When you are being lied to you can almost hear it in the words thay are using. This is no different. Just fine tuned. jmo

The men in my house can’t even stand to listen to her let alone actually call her. All of us can be in the living room and if I turn on NG they both leave the room.

JB, my hubby would agree, how could he call with an exploded head but he would say more importantly why would he call for more torture.LOL

Tuff stuff, I know you will miss your grandma. What a blessing that she went in her sleep, so peaceful. Will be thinking of you and your family.

HOPE – LE – same thing at my house…that is why I said I think most men’s heads explode if they see or hear NG. Between the faces she makes (like there is a skunk under her desk or she just ate a lemon) and the eye rolling, repetitive comments, nagging, cutting people off mid-sentence, talking to her “honored” guests like they were children to her bombshells that are bombduds….I can’t watch her either. Thank GAWD for transcripts of her show! LMAO

Tuff… you’re adopted!!!!

Treece @ 1:10 pm: On the radio show, Cobra is speaking to many strangers who have never met his girlfirend, and don’t know her name.

Jason said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 11:01 am

Vaquera @ 9:49: They were outside (screened porch is outside of the MH).

@ 10:01: “His analysis are almost word for word the same as Mr. McClish.”

That’s to be expected because they’re both doing verbal polygraphy. Peter said “I’ve yet to encounter two analysis works to actually disagree one with another”.

“It’s not like one says ‘deceptive’ and the other says ‘not deceptive’.”

“I’ve yet to encounter that or even read about that. It is more that one picked up A, B, C, D, but the other picked up those as well as E and F.”
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Being on an attached screened porch with a roof on it is not outside. My parents had a screened in back porch with a roof, we were not outside. The temps on the screened porch would not be the same as out in the yard.Mobile homes because of their metal roofs stay warmer than normal houses and a enclosed porch with a metal roof would be the same.

I wouldn’t expect Hyatt’s written analysis be almost word for word like McClish..

We will have to just disagree on these two points 😉

The point being is that there are some who post ONLY when Ron is being talked about in a negative light. You know who you are and so do many of others. No matter what Ron has done or MIGHT have done, there is always a justification. Those are the Ronettes. The people who don’t seem to really care about Haleigh as much as keeping Ron from being found guilty or culpable. It’s not only true…I’ve proven it to a couple of people. 🙂
Just post something “ugly” about Ron and watch who comes running in to “clear it up”.

As per the “my daughter” statement:
When speaking with people who we are not sure we can trust with our kids, we are hesitant to use their names, like here. When I speak about my children I say “My son” or “my daughter”. As do many others. However, if one of them were missing or suspected to be MURDERED (RON said it himself “stuffed up into a burrow. Probably”) I would use their name. While speaking with my mother or other family member, I would use their NAMES. Both Ron & Misty use distancing language THROUGH-OUT this case. Over & over again…there is something to that. They also, on MANY occasions, use past tense pharasing.

HERE’S a thought…maybe the molestation Misty was thinking about was at the hands of HER family member(s) and not Ron. Maybe it was possible that SOMEONE molested Haleigh, hence MG’s suspicions. If ToC killed her, it wasn’t his first time messing with her, IMO. Sometimes children are killed to keep silent on that topic. So, maybe Misty’s words were really about what Peter thinks they are about, just not about Ron.

ROn was not shooting Hydrocodone into his toesies…..it was OXYCONTIN…..

Cobra mentioned that same phone call from Misty back in March/APril 2009…when it happened. This is NOT new information. Shall I find the article and link it?

WHy do people feel it’s ok to come and post negative comments about Simon, his show, or guests but are offended when he replies with not nearly as much venom?

Just a thought, maybe by then Cobra had met Jr.

my sons so bright I call him sunny..

JB said,in April 26th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

STANDING OVATION>>>>> Very well said!

HGM, I have wondered if that story about Tommy fishing on the ramp came from Misty and not Tommy at all. I wished Cobra would have said whether he asked Tommy if he told that to Ron.
This could be just another story to make Joe the scapegoat? All he had to do was ask Tommy if he ever saw Lake Placid. jmo

Also for us 60s is warm but for people in Florida that pretty cool to be out without shirts when you could be inside eating at the table. I would be curious as whether AS went inside the MH since Misty carried the clothes in. jmo

Hey Holly, good to see you.

Vaquera @ 2:07 pm: The porch isn’t enclosed. It’s open – screened on three sides.

Heat rises, so heat from a metal roof would go up – away from the porch.

Also – porch roofs block sun rays, so there wasn’t any solar heating of the porch (which you didn’t suggest yet).

HollysGmom said,in April 26th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

RON said it himself “stuffed up into a burrow. Probably”)

ROn was not shooting Hydrocodone into his toesies…..it was OXYCONTIN…..

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HGM…that is NOT the correct quote and you know it. The way I took the conversations RC had with Cobra were him giving his thoughts and opinions (just like us now) as to what happened to Haleigh. 1. Joe 2. Marie Griffis et al.

I wasn’t aware that RC was shooting hydrocodone anywhere, has this been proven or are we just selecting what we do or don’t want to believe from Misty?

”…Oxycontin, as it is synthetic heroin. Most long time users are rail thin, puke a lot during the day, don’t eat, as their usage makes them sick constantly….. normally smoke (again oxy)… which is very expensive.. hard core opiate abusers turn to heroin, as they can’t afford Oxycontin which goes for 1 dollar per gram, so yes an 80 mg pill is $80!! A hard core addict will go thru 6 to 10 pills a day..” JNet

I just heard Oxycontin referred to as “Hillbilly Heroin” on the FX show ‘Justified’.

So I googled the term and sure enuf – Oxycontin.

But, in defense of JNet – opiate abusers often have problems with digestion – including vomiting – and many are thin – spending $ on drugs and not nutritious foods.

Noreen;

I am not taking that info from Misty…I am taking it from LE & Pat Brown’s statements….EACH a lot more trustworthy then Misty Croslin-Cummings.

Alot of info came out in thistape if you look at it all. Orlando why was that brought up out of the blue when Cobra asked about drug connections? The gators and the ramp. Misty being unfaithful and the last one with Haleigh yet he loves her and believes her.

To me I see him blaming Joe or Crystal ,anyone else but Misty. Why? He only knew her for 4 months.jmo

HGmom, I totally agree with you that tape did sound like he was threatening or suicidal.

What…

What… Ron only ”knew” Misty for 4 months!

I am not insinuating that you betrayed that on purpose. You were very free to share your tape that it was clear enough for me to hear. It was also disturbing to me. I am just thankful that is cleared up.
My frustration that I feel over stating Ron is a sexual child abuser over that bogus bs would be the same frustration if someone said that about Crystal. I DO NOT believe those type allegations should be made with no facts. Period! I would say the same thing in Crystal’s defense.

Hard to believe that Misty, Ron and the other players are all smarter than the dumb ass sheriff’s department.

Holly @ 2:41 pm: Homicidal/Suicidal is what I thought when reading your transcript (before Cobra told his impression, and Ron’s looking at the tatoo was included in the transcript). I have an aversion to listening to the tapes as they’re noisy but will force myself to find that section and listen later today.

Whatever happened to “innocent until proven guilty”?

Cent;

((((hug)))) Even if we disagree or you were upset with me, you’d still be my bud!

HGM I really appreciate all the effort you put in to transcribing those tapes for all of us. You even took it a step further and asked for clarification from Cobra (as you stated above) We all know you were after the truth and only helping.

tommy said “they want me to lie and say joe did it”..well the pressure worked..tommy said “joe threw her off the pier” hence the search. I hope LE is happy because they created this wild goose chase.

I don’t know if you think I only show up to defend Ronald or not. There are many more times that I want to post then I do. However, there are times I can’t help but say something when there is a feeding frenzy against Ron based on pure BS. Believe it or not I would do the same thing for you. If I saw someone going on a crazy rant against you as a child molester or some other bogus bs with no fact to go with it I would jump in here and post too.
Everyone knows that I have not believed that Ron hurt Haleigh. But I am for justice for Haleigh whether she is alive or not I want justice and truth to come out. If Ron hurt her I will be ready to gather the stones. Just because I don’t think he did does not mean I want to stone Crystal either. I think they are 2 parents that have messed up and made some mistakes just like most of us have. But I don’t think either one of them killed Haleigh. It gets me crazy in here when there is so much beat the shit out of ROn with no fact. I don’t see why we aren’t all after truth more then claiming a side and crucifying the other one.
YOu know the one’s of us you call the Ronettes are on her trying to put out some of the vicious bs against ROn, you don’t see us on here crucifying Crystal. THere just needs to be some balance here IMO

It would also be nice to have some balance on the Sunday shows. Many times it feels like Jan is the only one that wants any balance. Thank GOd for Jan.

Oj;

You may be right. It does make me wonder what happened to finally “throw ToC off the cliff”. He was so adamant he wasn’t going to do that…what changed? Now I’m very interested in hearing their calls from that timeframe….any word on when we might get them?

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This is NOT JB, it is an imposter

HA HA HA! Oh MY! LOL well yeah I doubt that Misty knows what a verb is sad to say!
Very sad to say really.
However, *basic* language patterning skills are learned at a very young age and do not necessarily require special education intervention.

IIRC though Ron’s Mother and/or GrandMother had glowing words to say about Ron’s level of intelligence.

I’m assuming it is homespain or some other freak with their undies in a bunch pretending to be me.

I could believe that if she had showered.
Most women who have been assualted will shower endlessly.jmo

Jason: Yes I do and I also know what you mean and yes, it is very possible…50/50 so I hear.

Tuff Stuff – I wasn’t even at my desk! LOL…I came back and there were JB posts….LOL…Jan and Simon can tell it isn’t me….just didn’t want YOU guys to think that was me! LMAO

Someone REALLY needs to get a life! 😆

We knew that wasn’t our JB!!!

JB, I noticed they were using Tobi earlier. Guess they swiched to you since I showed up.
They watch for when someone leaves and comeon as them returning. When you leave lurk for a little while just to make sure like I do. Most of us know when they do it. jmo

JAN OR SIMON – if you get bored – check out the posts by “JB” 3:12, 3:01 and 2:36…. I’m just guessing here but I think our little friend “homespain” is getting their jollies. Please delete those posts if you would as they were NOT made by me. THANKS IN ADVANCE!

HollysGmom said,in April 26th, 2010 at 2:36 pm Noreen;

I am not taking that info from Misty…I am taking it from LE & Pat Brown’s statements….EACH a lot more trustworthy then Misty Croslin-Cummings
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HGM,

LE statements? What statements from LE please?

As for Pat Brown, nuff said!

Misty protecting her brother doesn’t wash for me either. Even at 17, I would have given my own life to protect a child’s and would have done anything I could to have killed him/them before allowing it to happen. If I had caught my own brother in such an act, I would have bashed his head in with whatever would have done the job! (Not that he would ever do such a thing, EVER!) I certainly would have called 911 at the very least.

JB it was a totally different IP so I am not sure who it was.

Jan Barrett

I guess we’ll all know for sure when the drug case Sunshine docs drop….I feel sure it will be included.

Just heard JVM on HLN repeating that Tommy’s lawyer says that Tommy KNOWS what happened but that he is in no way involved.

I don’t care what any of these people are saying honestly. Misty, Tommy, Ron none of them! If they told me it was raining outside I’d have to go outside and check it out for my dang self first!
All jmvho.

Tuff;

It’s my estimation, at this point, that Tommy refused to lie about JO, he DOES know what really happened, and it’s very possible he was not involved.

Tobias;

You are correct. Drug use, especially cocaine, meth, and heroin alter the pleasure centers of the brain. Heavy users lose their drives to eat or have sex. The only prominent drive is for their drug of choice. I’ve seen it happen many times over. Ever wonder why “junkies” are so skinny? They no long feel the need to eat the way non-users do. Many times they will refuse to eat because it lessens the effects of their drug. As a young adult I had a relationship with a cocaine user. He didn’t use when we met but later did. Several months later all he thought about was cocaine. His sex drive completely dried up. The only thing he got excited about was his next “fix”.

Crackbabies are not concieved out of desire. THere are a host of other reasons, desire is not one of them.

JB yes I would think so. At the same time I would still question the story as to how he arrived at knowing this information and question the story he is giving as to what had happened and most of all I would want to know where Haleigh’s body was placed exactly, if indeed he is telling the truth.

Everyone is anticipating an arrest or arrests but LE would have to sort through the whole thing in order to bring forth a logical conclusion based on fact first before any arrests can be made.
jmo

· Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Continue to take Oxycontin and talk to your doctor if you experience ·constipation; ·dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, or decreased appetite; ·dizziness, tiredness, or lightheadedness; ·muscle twitches; ·sweating; ·itching; ·decreased urination; or ·decreased sex drive.

Ialso found out many women have reported an increased sex drive when taking Oxycodone or Oxicontin. Men is the everse and the more you are addicted the worse the decreased sex drive is. jmo

You know, Werter said he isn’t representing Tommy in the Haleigh case….soooooo, does that mean anything Tommy has told him about Haleigh can then be told to LE without attorney/client privilege?

Before I go for now, I just wanted to say thank you to the very kind people who shared condolences.
My GrandMother was a very ~BEAUTIFUL~ woman and I can only hope to be like her.
~Thank you~

bbl

Well seeing as how Tommy lead them to the boat ramp and LE made the statement that its a homicide I guess its not too far of a stretch. jmo

http: // http://www.examiner.com / x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d26-Haleigh-Cummings-case-news-Misty-Croslins-family-lawyer-for-Tommy-Croslin-speak-to-media-part-4

You’ll have to take the spaces out….but you’ll see a picture of Tommy and a female cop on the upper left side of the page….has the CNN logo on it….and it says what I posted above….that Tommy’s attorney stated Tommy knows what happened to little Haleigh but was not involved in her death.

Here is the quote off of CNN:

Jane Velez-Mitchell then remarked upon what may be seen as the most revealing information gleaned from the media coverage of the Haleigh Cummings’ case, “In other words, Tommy knows something. But you`re saying he`s not responsible, but he knows what happened? “

James Werter (Tommy’s lawyer) replied, “Again, I will say, well, I will go with that, yes. I am quite comfortable in you saying that.”

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examine

JenM…there’s no body yet…and there may never be a body (alligators). But I HOPE and PRAY LE has got enough and is building a strong case against those responsible. To think of these morons getting away with the death of this beautiful child is more than I can stand! I HAVE to have HOPE!

Yes, I agree! They aren’t real bright, and they have already accused Joe of rape, etc. So, not sure what would stop them now from using the word murdered.

Iknow Wertner made a live statement that Tommy was not involved but Icant remember if he said in the murder. jmo

Well…that is a headline on an article on CNN so if Werter didn’t say it (involved in Haleigh’s death) then he better be clearing up that statement! JMO

I have a comment and/or question. I would be looking for my child day and night. But if family members searched for Haleigh and did come across evidence wouldn’t they have compromised the evidence/crime scene?

All family members were told by LE, not to search for Haleigh.

I know people are thinking it was Ron, but seems a really good theory that Joe might of seen or heard about Misty sneaking out for the night to go see white boy greg. Joe took his opportunity at that time (reports are he wasn’t home that night).Maybe he went back to see if he could find the gun that he couldn’t get. Misty had the phone off. Ron called Misty but couldn’t reach her, so he called Tommy. Tommy went over, couldn’t find her, but found the back door open. Misty came home trashed, they freaked out. Misty doesn’t want Ron to know she wasn’t home and Tommy is covering the story for Misty. But Misty is not clear if Tommy could be lying to her, so she kept saying to check out others, even giving history on Tommy’s crimes. So, in her mind, it could of been Tommy or Joe, but either way, Misty might not know the real truth (that is why she wanted to take the lie detectors to see if it would come out, because she can’t remember for sure). I think this is why Tommy is the first to speak, because he can’t hold it in any longer. Maybe he did it and trying to say Joe did? but why would he do that when he knows Ron sent him over there (so that would bust him). He probably told what he knew about Joe from the banks of that river and some talks they had. This led to the searches of the river. Meanwhile, Ron is still asking How could you let my daughter get stole in the middle of the night? Joe’s myspace states: “If you can’t remember, it doesn’t count”.

judithan….It is common for LE to request the family not take part in the search…but there is nothing to stop family from putting up flyers, talking to neighbors, etc. And Ron wasn’t your normal “law abiding citizen” and had made all these threats to kill whoever took his daughter…but didn’t seem to do a lot to try and FIND the person who took his daughter IMVHO.

JB @ 4:10: If Misty put that out, that sure was mighty helpful of her, wasn’t it?

I just woke up, and there’s a brick holding the door open, and my brother uses bricks to prop open doors when he’s out burglarizing residences, and our daughter is missing.

Jason….LMAO – well, Misty has pointed the finger and everyone. First thing she did when she got arrested for drugs was start ratting people out, including Tommy, for other crimes. She has loyalty for no one except Ron and herself. I’m wondering when her loyalties to Ron will begin to crumble…or have they already?

Things I wish we knew:

1. What evidence LE found in the MH that night.
2. What evidence they got off the door/doors.
3. What was the purpose of the LE visit to Tommy and Lindsey’s that night and why haven’t we seen the report on that?
4. Who was with Grandma when she brought the laundry?
5. I’d like to see the report on all the phone calls that night. Who called who and when did they call.
6. Results on all LDT’s
7. WHAT prompted the search at the river?
8. What was found at the river?
9. Have they truly ruled JO out?
10. Is there a tape of Misty saying to Ron “they” or “He is onto us”?
11. WHERE IS HALEIGH??????????

JenM,

I caught the potential significance of his myspace page, too! I see it as a reflection of a view that was very important to him when he wrote it in March 2009:

“If you can’t remember, it doesn’t count”.

Misty may have taken a clue from him (or vice-versa), as she can’t remember what happened that night because she was sleeping!

http://www.bloggernews.net/124400#comments

His comments are on this thread from last night.

Reading, maybe the clothing he saw is evidence.

LOL @ nicole ninny: Brain surgeons hit your raw nerves, evidently!

Hi, Cathy Jo! Yay – you still have your c!

Besutiful? LOL. I’m too much in a hurry – BBL, Cathy Jo.

Noreen said,in April 26th, 2010 at 3:59 pm HGM,

You said, LE made the following statement:-

ROn was not shooting Hydrocodone into his toesies…..it was OXYCONTIN.

Can you please tell me when LE made that statement, do you know where it is please?
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I’m not HGM, but this is what I found regarding that. I don’t understand it either or where it came from. I found this on another site posted by someone. These posts below are two seperat e posts >>>>>>>>>
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{{{{{Peter stated if you are using alot of drugs and stop alot of weight gain… Ron must of put on 20 lbs doesn’t even look the same..

After Ron pulled down his pants in front of Cobra and pulled his pants up. Cobra asked him to
take off his sunglasses Cobra looked at his eyes and Ron was high as a kite.

Ron shooting oxecodone in between his toes

Ron is more violent than what everyone thinks..

When Misty was with WBG why did Ron take her back?

He thinks drug trafficing and prostitution is involved..}}}}}}

[[[[[[I think Peter Hyatt thought Ron was talking about getting shots of heroin in his toes.

… but he was talking about getting it in the THE TOOLS…

… that`s when Ron pulled his pants down and showed Cobra his garden weasel!

He made Cobra blush.

That is a huge feat in and of it self!]]]]]

Armando says that they were doing that at the river at 230AM Friday/Saturday morning after the search ended. He said he was there til 5 AM and is just now reporting that. Don’t know.
Clothes could belong to anyone that uses that area.

Right Reading,I’m sure alot of ppl go there,it’s florida…florida and water go together,lol imo

Can someone please clarify the stuff about the oxycodone/toes and pulling pants down? Did that happen? TIA

Reading,I am almost certain it did,did you check the cobra transcript thread here on BNN?

Sorry caps,lol

What is a fireside chat with LE? It sounds uncomfortable.

LoL Dusty,i don’t have a clue!!!!!!!

Cathy, Cobra says he has one but we have not heard it yet. Dont know if he is gonna let us either. jmo

thanks for the many kind comments.

I, too, refer to my daughter as “my daughter” many times. I don’t know if I know of any dad who doesn’t.

We simply don’t realize how much we reveal of ourselves as we speak (or type).

In one class for, an experienced investigtor came to me after, shook my hand, and complimented the teaching. Then he asked me a personal question. I was taken back, and asked why he was asking (I answered a question with a question; showing sensitivity) but he showed me how I had “leaked” out this sensitive information, simply based upon what he had learned 2 hours earlier! He picked it up from a sentence, and the difference was one single word. He thought the person referenced may have been deceased, but he wasn’t; but a falling out some years back had left it almost in that state.

I told him that although the person was alive, he may have well not been, with regards to me, as we had not spoken in quite some time.

I confirmed that his quick, on the fly analysis, was correct, in essence.

That night I picked up the phone and put some healing balm on a relationship that should never have had become “dead” to me.

I admire the intelligence of the investigator’s ability to translate theory into practice in 2 hours.

I’m thankful as the restored friendship now remains strong.

We all leak out more than we realize; the question is:

Is anyone listening?

Thank you again for the kind comments on yesterday’s program.

Aah, Cathy Jo, that’s wonderful to hear! I’ll bet seeing him again is quite a nice surprise, wow – especially after all the years. You’ve probably got so much to talk about with him!

Hollysgram,

you are correct in your assessment.

We all refer to our children in this manner. We also use their proper names, knicknames, etc.

In the context of a missing child case, the emotions are running high.

The absence of Haleigh’s name is indicative of child abuse.

Child abusers have a difficult time using their child’s name.

Cobra was more comfortable saying “Haliegh” than Ron was.

When a child is known to be deceased, parents will often continue to use knicknames, terms of endearment, as well as proper names. They will say “my daughter” often.

My point is only in context:

It is a red flag for child abuse when a parent avoids using a child’s name, repeatedly. It is a subtle distancing and de-personalizing of the name.

With the many comments about the many things discussed in the show, it is certainly interesting to me that one person was able to report things as “facts” (without evidence or even a hint of evidence) and zone in on one single word.

http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com

I used Seamus O Riley (a pet name) because my wife was concerned about security issues and anonymous posters becoming angry. She even thought it not wise to keep the old posts with pictures of us, and our children, on it.

I didn’t think that would be a concern.

Have we, as a nation, changed this much that difference of opinions would cause anger that might raise concerns?

When I saw the original poster writing his “facts”, I thought that, perhaps, I was wrong to drop the pseudo blog name and utilize my own name, and that my wife was correct.

I’m still not sure.

I appreciate different opinions and, regarding the case of Haleigh Cummings, am still formulating opinions.

I ignored Ronald Cummings for the most part because police said that he had passed a polygraph and was at work…

Also, I knew from the beginning, because of my work, that the 911 call was deceptive. This implicates the caller, Misty Croslin.

I attended a seminar, years ago, where we watched the police interview of a woman who had killed her child.

I kept a check list of each name she used.
“she”
“her”
“that girl”
“the girl”
“my daughter”

were the most frequently used names. In fact, in the 2+ hour police interview (in which LE did a great job) the ONLY time the child’s proper name was used was when the police used it, and the murder suspect (since convicted) reflected it back to the detective. In her own statement (without reflection) she did not use the child’s name.

After the break, we then had a woman speak who was teaching about Shaken Baby Syndrome.

She spoke for almost the same length of time, and with the hundreds in attendance, there was not a dry eye in the place.

She not only frequently slipped into present tense (he had been dead for over a year) but she rarely and appropriately used pronouns; and as I made the checklist, it was a stunning tally:

over and over she used phrases like, “my little monkey, my special guy, Jake, Jakey, Jacob, my darling,” and so on.

Cobra engaged Ronald Cummings, a year ago, in a discussion about his daughter, Haleigh. At this point, he was still pleading for her safe return.

His absence of the use of her name was not only stunning, but revelatory.

I stand with LSI on this teaching:

It is difficult for those who abuse or neglect a child to use the child’s name, and easier to say “my daughter” or a variety of pronouns.

Listen to Marc Klass talk about Polly.

He will say “my daughter” as well all do. But you will hear him say, “Polly” repeatedly. It is an intimacy he carries around with him.

After his daughter was killed, he did slip into present tense language.

We all say “my son” or “my daughter” but if your child was missing and all of America knew her name, and you could talk about her disappearance and NOT use her name, it would certainly be a red flag.

Could someone go back and find the statement about Misty talking to DCFS because I believe that may be where I remember Misty saying he shotthe drugs betwen his toes. Cant be sure but it could be.jmo

tobias,yes, probably where it originated from.. I’m just referring the poster to this weeks discussion acout it on the radio program bcz they were wondering why it was being discussed all of a sudden. I agree it was probably said Waaaaaay earlier in the case ny one of the players involved.

Yep, i agree

Peter have you analysed Chelseas statement about the van. The video where she talks about how it was scratched and parked wrong? I would like to hear if you feel she was telling the truth or being deceptive.

On NG, Annette for some reason explained what she DIDN’T do: wash the adult’s clothes, or the household laundry.

Remember the video of Ron in jail talking to Annette about his boxers?

Maybe he went on an on about washing his boxers (the jail gave him 2 pairs IIRC), because he knows Annette is big on clean laundry.

Misty talked laundry, Ron talked laundry, and most recently, Annette talked laundry.

Maybe Peter or someone else would care to analyze all this laundry talk.

Maybe its about airing their dirty laundry lol.
Does seem wierd though. jmo

tobias,

if you have a transcript, I would be glad to run it.

I don’t have time to do audios and the requests as http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com have been coming in more and more.

I can cut and paste and use the software, but it still warrants some commentary as the software only picks up red flags in general.

let me know,

Peter

On NG, Annette offered an ‘explanation’ for her doing Haleigh and Butterbean’s laundry [doesn’t like stains], and stressed she did not do the adult’s or household laundry.

NG asked her about the evening of Febr 9, but never asked her to explain why she did the children’s laundry.

Maybe Annette perceived people would think poorly of Ron and Misty not taking responsibility for washing the children’s clothes.

I think it is a helpful, supportive behavior on Annette’s part.

She doesn’t have to explain, and I wish she didn’t feel she had to defend her actions.

Hello Peter,

Thank you for chiming in on this case. I always find different types of analysis very interesting.

I was wondering if you would be willing to share your Curriculum Vitae with us. I’m very interested in what type of education is required for the type of work you do with LE (and also teaching, I believe you’ve mentioned), as I find it fascinating. That would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! 🙂

Also, is statement analysis something that is used/admissible in Court?

Thank you again!

am I allowed to say respectfully that I disagree with Mr Hyatt.

I don’t know who harmed HALEIGH, I do hope that LE is on top of things. My sincere wishes is that all the hoopla and drama calms down so that LE can do their job. Find TRUTH & JUSTICE for HALEIGH!

Cathyjo – it’s supposedly Misty saying it to Ron on speaker phone. Cobra had a wire on and Art Harris was sitting right there too.

Why isn’t it being broadcast high & low?

Peter, my intention here is not to attack you but I am very disturbed over the way the slant went so against Ron yesterday. Just as I would be upset had the same thing happened to Crystal. I am appalled that as complicated as this case already is that you would label the parent of a missing child as sexually abusing them based on the way you read a few words. To me that is so unprofessional and totally cold to a grieving Father. No one knows who is guilty in this case. No one has been charged. For the sake of argument let’s give Ron the benefit of the doubt that he is innocent. You, on live radio labeled him a sexual abuser of his missing child. It amazes me the length people will go to promoting themselves. Be thankful Ron is NOT my son, you would have already heard from my lawyer.

tobias…, wait….’just a car…. JUST a car.

LOL, i missed that part when I first read it. He only steals CARS so i guess I should give him the benefit of the doubt that he would never do anything like steal a gun. just cars. LOL.. I’m just jokin with ya. I thought that staement was funny after I reread the post.

especially so late at night.. she just happened to start her daily chores at oh… around 2 or 3 am.. is that a normal time to do the laundry. wasnt the washer going when LE got there? I guess starting at 8 or 9 was not enough time to finish by 3 am. crazy !

I would worry more about what Junior thinks about his dad selling drugs and being in prison then reading what complete strangers wrote. But that is just my opinion. good night ladies.

I didnt like what Pete said either, but I don’t think he ever presented as FACT. I think he omly mentioned that these type of distancing statements CAN sometimes mean abuse. I think they idled on that too lomg myself, but I never felt as though he was presenting as fact.

I said I would worry more about the facts than with what was blogged.I said nothing about sexual abuse. jmo

tobias said,in April 26th, 2010 at 8:30 pm I would worry more about what Junior thinks about his dad selling drugs and being in prison then reading what complete strangers wrote. But that is just my opinion. good night ladies.
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Good Point Tobias, I agree, the poor children, His Grama Griffis busted for selling drugs, his Dad busted for selling drugs, his Mom, his Mom’s boyfriend, his Grandfather – drugs. It’s all so sad.

I have to agree Junior has a lot to deal with.
Lets just hope his mother can do better than his father did. jmo

tobias said,
in April 26th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

I have to agree Junior has a lot to deal with.
Lets just hope his mother can do better than his father did. jmo

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Yes, let’s hope that, and hope that for the 1st time in his life that he is a priority to her.

Something 7 said,in April 26th, 2010 at 8:34 pm I didnt like what Pete said either, but I don’t think he ever presented as FACT. I think he omly mentioned that these type of distancing statements CAN sometimes mean abuse. I think they idled on that too lomg myself, but I never felt as though he was presenting as fact.
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He may NOT have presented it as fact, but read all the twitters going around the net right now stating it as FACT. Mr. Hyatt said he had corresponded with Pat Brown, that’s probably where he got the idea from originally as he stated he hadn’t really analyzed RC’s statements.

Calm down people! This is just a forum for people to share their ideas and opinions.
I think Jr will have more things to worry about than looking at pages and pages of 20yr old archives about his dirt bag of a sperm donor. Hopefully someone will come along in his life and break this terrible cycle and help give his life some purpose.
Thank God good old Nancy Grace didn’t have any
“bombshell” news on this tonight. She probably needed to take a step back after the news broke of her legal defense aid for her bff Ron.
Justice for HaLeigh.

imo.

It’s been obviously more that people are interested in leveling out the blame game than they are at genuinely protecting Jr.

That isn’t just sad imo it’s pathetic.

Why doesnt anyone have a problem when its Joe being accused or is that different because its Ron thats being accused now? I dont know if he did or not and never said it but I also never asaid Joe did either. But I dont see anyone backing Joe up on here. jmo

For what it’s worth, here’s my take on the Cobra/RC tapes.

Cobra was analyzing, he was in agreement with RC hoping to gather info.

RC was throwing theories out…1. Cousin Joe, 2. Crystal and Child Support, 3. Marie Griffis.

RC had 3 different thoughts as to where ‘his daughter’ was.

Cobra said he had tried to contact LE 87 times, yet they wouldn’t take his calls. RC then offers to call John Merchant and get him ‘there’ right then. Cobra seemingly ignored that offer. Why?

treece said,in April 26th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

Peter, my intention here is not to attack you but I am very disturbed over the way the slant went so against Ron yesterday. Just as I would be upset had the same thing happened to Crystal. I am appalled that as complicated as this case already is that you would label the parent of a missing child as sexually abusing them based on the way you read a few words. To me that is so unprofessional and totally cold to a grieving Father. No one knows who is guilty in this case. No one has been charged. For the sake of argument let’s give Ron the benefit of the doubt that he is innocent. You, on live radio labeled him a sexual abuser of his missing child. It amazes me the length people will go to promoting themselves. Be thankful Ron is NOT my son, you would have already heard from my lawyer.

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good post, I concur

Noreen said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:03 pm For what it’s worth, here’s my take on the Cobra/RC tapes.

Cobra was analyzing, he was in agreement with RC hoping to gather info.

RC was throwing theories out…1. Cousin Joe, 2. Crystal and Child Support, 3. Marie Griffis.

RC had 3 different thoughts as to where ‘his daughter’ was.

Cobra said he had tried to contact LE 87 times, yet they wouldn’t take his calls. RC then offers to call John Merchant and get him ‘there’ right then. Cobra seemingly ignored that offer. Why?
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Poor Ron, I’m sure it was so hard on him to stand around talking chit like the thug he is and so coldly telling Cobra that he thought Haleigh was in the river and then with no emotion whatsoever goes straight into telling him how gators handle their prey………bragging etc.

Poor BB having to grow up hearing how coldly his dad talked about his sissybug from his sperm donor. What a piece of trash

tobias said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:02 pm He may be totally innocent and now its all over National TV because of NG and his Grandmother. Would you feel the same compassion for him as you do Ron ? nO ONE CAME TO THIS GUYS DEFENSE WHY? JM
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Maybe cause no one thinks he gulity. jmo

And to top it off there is no proof Joe molested Haleigh except Mistys story but its all over the news. I dont see any of you worried about his life being ruined if the alligations are false. All you care about is Rons image on a blog. Get off the soap box and get real. Idont agree that Ron abused Haleigh and I dont believe Peter did either its just what you thought you heard. jmo

Beast said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:14 pm Noreen. Fry them? For what?
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For whatever has happened to Haleigh, be it the worst, or be it her being hidden.

Tobias, I don’t understand your “soap box” comment! I don’t have to defend any of the players. I call it like I see it! That means, that if tomorrow Joe was the topic, and I felt that he didn’t do anything to anyone, then I will state that!

treece, i agree on one thing but not the other… when ppl are blogging and speculating its one thing ( all are able to state their opinions ), but to become part of the panel on the radio show ( where only a SELECT few panelists are allowed to state their opinions ), they should watch their choice of words more clearly bcz now they have put themselves farther into the case than just merely sitting at their personal comp and blogging away. I agree it went on too long , but I don’t think he ever presented as fact. I think he said it showed a (possibility) of abuse. If he really does have credentials and puts himself into the case by being a panelist he should refrain from going on so much about his personal speculation bcz his credentials in staement analysis might make it seem more factual than it really is. I still don’t see it as libelous but it possibly bordered on it since he brought his professional aspect to the table and presented it as such. There’s too many ppl putting themselves in the middle of the case especially 14 months into it. Everyone cannot seem to just blog , they feel the need to go over and above to promote themselves beyond a normal site blogger. But it’s Simons show and he can invite whoever he wants for our ‘entertainment’, so to speak. I hardly think its entetrtaining ,anymore than it is frustrating bcz its about a missing girl ! and ppl want answers and CLOSURE ! I appreciate his insight but I also think he should watch to make sure he presents it as his opinion since he is not a paid professional of this particular case. Or maybe he is. WHO KNOWS . Still would not call it libelous , though.

BA, I was just making the point that so many are worried about Ron being accused when no one has worried about Joe being falsely accused.
You know the guy deserves the same treatment and fairness that others give to Ron.
Yet its spread all over thae Naion on TV that he abused Haleigh and no one is outraged at all. I see this as being unfair. I dont know if anyone abused her and neither does anyone else there is no proof.
jmo

I dont think people would have a problem if it was Joe he was talking about. Again I ask where is the out rage of someone being accused without proof on National TV? JMO GOODNIGHT EVERYONE.

(((((((((((((((((I am outraged))))))))))))))))

Good-Night Tobias!

aND THE ONES WHO ALLOWED THEM THEIR PLATFORM ON WHICH TO ACCUSE. JMO

heyitsmekelly said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm I find it funny those who defend the father are leaving this blog !!! It is because they are tired of defending the indefensible ???!!! Is it because , after all this time , their theories are beyond any common sense ???!!! Is it because that there are some good honest theories put out by the majority of people here and putting some sense into them ???!!! Only the weak minded turn and run away !!! From day one I’ve known the ex-newlyweds have been lying !!! The father’s family has been lying from day one covering up for their grandson/son !!!
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I agree, I can’t imagine defending Ron’s actions that led to her demis whether directly or indirectly, but then to knowingly leave BB around Misty is worse than indefensible it’s pathetic and tragic. Maybe they identify with him, maybe there son is a thug dope boy too. Don’t know, but I watched forever while they sat around trying to pin this on the Sheffiels side taking her and moving her around because they thought Peggy Cone was giving them inside tips, and listening to maggot @ss Tim Holmseth and his absurd conspiracies, if it wasn’t so d@mn tragic it would be laughable. And you’re are right, it’s pure common sense, and if LE can’t move on from the circle of those select few in their site, including Ron, TN, MC, TC then there is a huge problem and LE is just trying to crack them. I pray it works and not one of them see life outside a cell for their natural lives, maybe then BB will have a chance to break the cycle from the violent, tragic life of being toted around with his thug dad trying to score dope. As Tim Miller stated it’s a D@mn discgrace to american society what these 2 put those kids through and he even thought BB should be removed from Ron’s custody. Now that’s common sense

could not agree more with you :::::heyitsmekelly said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

their was a theory earlier in this thread I believe that is so what I have always thought just more research by the poster let me find it.

I honestly think if cousin Joe was involved and PCSD had anything at all to back it up, Joe would be in a position where the rest of them are and not out walking around free.
Joe was a likely diversion to steer law enforcements’ attention away from the area.
Everyone that tried to help that couldn’t be manipulated by Ron and Misty got the hell out of there. That’s exactly what happened to Tim Miller’s group and others.
Too many secrets and deceptive acts and why? All anyone wanted was to find HaLeigh.

kbrooks46 said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:37 pm Jan Barrett, Simmon, TJ, Cobra and group,
Thank yall for doing all you do for Haleigh our precious little Angel that has touched all of us in some way. I dont listen to the show cause its too hard too and sometimes it so hard to read the blogs cause of the fact it is heart breaking so many lies, that you have no idea who is telling the truth unless it smacks them in the face. It breaks my heart that the only ones that cares about Haleigh and keeping her name out there is all of you and the group. We may not agree with each other but we all are here for one precious Angel Haleigh. I would love to think she is alive but for this case to go on so long it doesnt look like it. Its very sad cause people are so ungrateful that they have no idea what they have in front of them. It breaks my heart when children goes missing and 100 percent of the time it is by the parent or a sex offender. Its heart breaking. I admire you guys who reach out and do these shows. I cant stand NG at all she is a pain in the butt but when I dont listen to your show I normally can see what was said by what you bloggers write on here it pretty much sums it up. Its okay if we dont agree it happens. But one thing we all want Justice for Haleigh she deserves that much and more. May God bless you all.
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An excellent post. Thank you kbrooks46

treece said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
No the many that I know that have left this blog is not because they can’t defend Ron, it is because they are sick of being attacked and ignored and treated like crap on this blog. Look at what TexasMommy goes through because she supports Ron. She will post and post and no one will even acknowledge her existence. THey won’t respond or just visit with her. But when they get ready to post they blast her like she’s the plague. Disgusting.
I have supported ROn because I think he has had bias against him from the beginning because Crystal had Kim P having bloggers to crucify ROn.
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I agree treece. Very well said.

just one said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

I agree, I can’t imagine defending Ron’s actions that led to her demis whether directly or indirectly, but then to knowingly leave BB around Misty is worse than indefensible it’s pathetic and tragic. Maybe they identify with him, maybe there son is a thug dope boy too. Don’t know, but I watched forever while they sat around trying to pin this on the Sheffiels side taking her and moving her around because they thought Peggy Cone was giving them inside tips, and listening to maggot @ss Tim Holmseth and his absurd conspiracies, if it wasn’t so d@mn tragic it would be laughable. And you’re are right, it’s pure common sense, and if LE can’t move on from the circle of those select few in their site, including Ron, TN, MC, TC then there is a huge problem and LE is just trying to crack them. I pray it works and not one of them see life outside a cell for their natural lives, maybe then BB will have a chance to break the cycle from the violent, tragic life of being toted around with his thug dad trying to score dope. As Tim Miller stated it’s a D@mn discgrace to american society what these 2 put those kids through and he even thought BB should be removed from Ron’s custody. Now that’s common sense
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Just one,

I too want the best for Jr., he deserves it, all children deserve it, but let’s face it…..RC was investigated how many times by DCF? Several, right? They made the decision to leave him with his father. I am not bashing Crystal, as I sincerely hope she is on the right path now, but the fact is, DCF are the ones that made the decision of Ron over Crystal. I wont even go in to what her attorney, KP, stated in her rebuttal to the complaint filed against her.

It’s all so terribly sad and tragic. IMO

and yes, ill be the first regardless what heyzuess says. and no im not without sin but I care not when the offenses are so outrageous.

JNet said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:48 pm Just an FYI…….. A post I submitted yesterday has been copied, pasted, and ridiculed on Peter Hyatt’s website. I was called a liar, a drug addict, an unfit parent whose child had been taken away,you name it, any possible words one could write to hurt someone they have never met, has been done so by the fine upstanding citizen, Mr. Hyatt.

Please, since I have been labled such a liar, I encourage you to read for yourself, the incredulous comments, so offensive and vile, I cannot truly express myself in a manner that would be productive, nor will I dignify the absurdity and insanity of such a narcissist and cruel attack by attempting a battle of words on a website. No one in my entire life has ever talked of me, my integrity, my parenting, my life in any and all regards as this unknown stranger has to and about me.

Please take note, if you disagree with someone on the panel, or apparently the Barret’s, you too may be tomorrow’s caricature.

Good luck.
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JNet,

I am so sorry this has happened to you. I can’t believe Mr. Hyatt hasn’t removed the post.

Noreen said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:54 pm JNet said,in April 26th, 2010 at 9:48 pm Just an FYI…….. A post I submitted yesterday has been copied, pasted, and ridiculed on Peter Hyatt’s website. I was called a liar, a drug addict, an unfit parent whose child had been taken away,you name it, any possible words one could write to hurt someone they have never met, has been done so by the fine upstanding citizen, Mr. Hyatt.

Please, since I have been labled such a liar, I encourage you to read for yourself, the incredulous comments, so offensive and vile, I cannot truly express myself in a manner that would be productive, nor will I dignify the absurdity and insanity of such a narcissist and cruel attack by attempting a battle of words on a website. No one in my entire life has ever talked of me, my integrity, my parenting, my life in any and all regards as this unknown stranger has to and about me.

Please take note, if you disagree with someone on the panel, or apparently the Barret’s, you too may be tomorrow’s caricature.

Good luck.
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you just been villified!
thats whats been happening to misty, its WRONG!

the guys a phoney, a charlatan! He has no credentials!

JNet, if you plan on taking further action, then don’t just copy the posts — please take computer screen shots of the actual details of all things because they can be deleted or altered.

Keep all your records, posts and screenshots and possibly a police report should be filed and a cease and desist letter is appropriate to protect you.

JNet you have every right to be pissed. I also went to his site and copied your bnn post that he took and analyzed on his site and emailed it to Jan and Simon. I feel sure they will address the situation. How immature and unprofessional.

How would Ron know that Haleigh was in the river? If he has nothing to do with it. He does come off as he knows or is involved with Haleigh’s disappearance. Sorry if i didnt spell it right but i am sleepy just reading all the blogs.

Could it be that his mom and grandmother could also be involved has well?

As for Misty obviously she is still in loved with Ron, when asked in the voice thing (forgot what it is called lol) she hasted with the question about Ron. I think it is him she is protecting or playing dum and not coming forward. There is so many lies that has came up. I dont understand any of their behaviors at all. But since day one since Haleigh went missing they both of them Misty and Ron from what I can understand had put Haleigh past tense. They barely mention her name. How would he know that she wasnt going to come back unless he knows? He moves out of his trailer why? What if she came back to the trailer. It seems like when LE gets a tip they (mitsty and ron) comes back into the spot light. To me it seems to take the heat off so they dont find Haleigh. Just my opinion. I dont know just wish someone will come forward and be honest.

Is Tommy really telling the truth and did he take a LDT to prove that it was the truth. Someone mention that FLo was in the hositpal due to a possible stroke is that any truth to the matter.

I keep praying everyday that Haleigh is found and justice is being taking into place. I am sure LE is doing the best they can and they arent talking why should they. When the time comes I am sure they will be doing some talking then. If Joe had anything to do with it how come he isnt in custody? I just want Haleigh found and justice for her.

heyitsmekelly said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm Just One – You must realize from the ex-bride’s own timeline , there was 7 to 8 hours before the 911 call !!! Enough time to get rid of any evidence including disposing of a body to cover-up any crime !!! Again , this is just my opinion , this is a classic cover-up of a Haleigh dying from child abuse and the one’s who she trusted to take care of her are so willing to come up with “my child was stoled” story to keep there asses from going to prison over it !!! Only for them to go back to life a usual by doing and dealing drugs !!! I know the police want closure , but when their investigation started 7 to 8 hours later , I don’t think they have much evidence that a homicide even took place !!! All they have is the “story” !!!
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Disgusting and pathetic, and very sad for BB..also completley irresponsible of Ron to keep Misty around JR , well unless he was involved (wink)

I stayed on line to ensure there were no misunderstandings…. I have no intent, nor could one, (I don’t think) press any type of charges for what would it be “blogger plagiarism/harassment?” lol

IMHO What Mr. Hyatt did speaks volumes about not only his credibility, but more importantly his character. Again, my concern is this doesn’t happen to someone else… a blogger that may not be as strong to deal with such an uncalled for attack… WOW now I am being called a liberal to boot…. omg, I never said anything about anyone being libel, libel for what???? Maybe the words being so similar caused the sentence to flow… j/k.

Perhaps this can be a lesson for some, to read a bit more carefully before they speak. And I include myself in that category.

Good night all. Thank you for the nice comments of support, I appreciate your kindness. And those of us that have agreed to disagree, I’m glad we usually did so with respect.

Last line, but certainly not my last thought…..God Bless precious HaLeigh….

kbrooks46 said,in April 26th, 2010 at 10:25 pm How would Ron know that Haleigh was in the river? If he has nothing to do with it. He does come off as he knows or is involved with Haleigh’s disappearance. Sorry if i didnt spell it right but i am sleepy just reading all the blogs.

Could it be that his mom and grandmother could also be involved has well?

As for Misty obviously she is still in loved with Ron, when asked in the voice thing (forgot what it is called lol) she hasted with the question about Ron. I think it is him she is protecting or playing dum and not coming forward. There is so many lies that has came up. I dont understand any of their behaviors at all. But since day one since Haleigh went missing they both of them Misty and Ron from what I can understand had put Haleigh past tense. They barely mention her name. How would he know that she wasnt going to come back unless he knows? He moves out of his trailer why? What if she came back to the trailer. It seems like when LE gets a tip they (mitsty and ron) comes back into the spot light. To me it seems to take the heat off so they dont find Haleigh. Just my opinion. I dont know just wish someone will come forward and be honest.

Is Tommy really telling the truth and did he take a LDT to prove that it was the truth. Someone mention that FLo was in the hositpal due to a possible stroke is that any truth to the matter.

I keep praying everyday that Haleigh is found and justice is being taking into place. I am sure LE is doing the best they can and they arent talking why should they. When the time comes I am sure they will be doing some talking then. If Joe had anything to do with it how come he isnt in custody? I just want Haleigh found and justice for her.
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Bingo!they both spoke of her in past tense immediately, and Ron always comparing her to shoes, bikes etc shows that she was nothing more than a possesion to him. Also, if you remember Tim Miller stated that Ron thought his phone was bugged, WTF? Even if it was why would an innocent, grieving (cough) father care, why did he alert Misty to Donna B being a plant, why did he tell Geraldo “I’m always going to believe she’s alive UNTIL they find her”, seriously????????? If she had been stole she could have been found alive? His actions and words are incongruent with a man who doesn’t know what happened to her, he did, and covered it up, just like Cindy A, in their sick, twisted minds what was done was done, so he had to CYA to keep from ending up in jail which he did anyway due to trafficking drugs and to take any heat off of him in regards to losing BB. To him that would have been the final straw as it would have taken away any control he held over Crystal, the only woman other than his mom to leave him. Abandonment issues abound in his mine and he goes out of his way to punish those who he felt left him, how dare they in his mind. He needs serious mental health while he serves his time in DOC. ALthough I feel he may very well be a lost casue, kinda like Susan Smith.

I sure wish Crystal had nabbed BB and Haleigh, then we wouldn’t be looking for her remains and trying to undo all the damage done to poor BB:(

JNet,

I am shocked and appalled at what was done to you, and also to BNN.

Mr. Hyatt was a guest of BNN. He then came here and took a post from one of Jan & Simon’s poster’s and took it for his own, I’ll just say “not-so-nice” purpose. I’m just shocked, and I’ll leave at that so as not to get myself into trouble.

*shaking my head*

Wow – I logged on to check on what was going on and found all of this. We should all be able to express our opinions without fear of bashing. That said we should also accept that some people won’t agree with us! I think what is happening here is reflective of what is happening with politics in our country (not to open this bag of worms – just expressing an opinion). It seems (at least in my family/friends circle) we can’t discuss politics or issues any more. People become so angry and ugly. The same is happening here.

I think we can all agree that we all fear what we don’t understand. We don’t understand how a 5 year old little girl can just be gone. We all try to apply our own personal morals and logic to these circumstances (round hole/square peg) in an attempt to understand. In my case – to sleep at night. I want there to be a reason for such evil – I can’t accpet it just exists.

I think Peter Hyatt innocently called in last week and we were all impressed with his insight. He then kept providing it and it offended people. I don’t think he represented himself as having knowledge of the facts – he was trying to apply what he has learned to the facts. That is pretty much what we have all been doing.

I just read his response to JNet’s post. I think (JMO) that JNet could have gotten her/his point accross without offending if phrases such as ” has absolutely no credentials, nada.” are not used. I agree the abuse accusation was a big leap (but certainly one I haven’t heard or thought about before. I think he was applying his past experience/knowledge to the situation. Let’s face it – none of us really know these people and only God knows what happened.

I thank God Haleigh is no longer suffering and is in a better place.

JNet, I seriously mean it. Keep those records and screen shots and file that report. I’ve seen this happen before and records are extremely vital even though right now you may not think so.

It’s extremely important for you to keep those records and screen shots.

This isn’t involving a public person but a private person and you can have recourse.

Be Careful said,in April 26th, 2010 at 11:13 pm JNet, I seriously mean it. Keep those records and screen shots and file that report. I’ve seen this happen before and records are extremely vital even though right now you may not think so.

It’s extremely important for you to keep those records and screen shots.

This isn’t involving a public person but a private person and you can have recourse.
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I have a serious question about the Jnet anaylsis, how on earth could he have libeled or harrassed a poster who is just an anonymous nic. If he knew the name of this poster and put it our there, then I could possibly see it and that is even stretching it. But Jnet did attack him and he is using his own name, not an anonymous poster. Hello Pot meet Kettle.

In order to probe livel or slander it has to be proven under the law that he damaged this person, how in he77 is that even remotely possible since Jnet is anonymous? Legally, there is no slander, libel or harrassment on Peter’s part, but maybe on Jnet’s statements because she/he attacked a real person and not a hat/nic. Seriously you people need a btter grasp on the law.

the guys an obvious dirtbag. ridin on simon and jan’s coattails..

I agree with “justone”…JNet intentionally insulted Mr. Hyatt.

And even after stating “I’m never coming back to this blog”, JNet came back to stir in “poop”…no other reason.

I’m not falling for the wanting to warn someone who isin’t a big, tough person like they are. Whatever…thats a bunch of BS and you know it. Again, thats so transparent, it sounds like a first grader’s line. Just go away like you promised to do why don’t you?

Jnet,I don’t know ya,been away a few days but I am truly sorry you were disrespected here.
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so? wheres the credentials??

Is it just me, or are the ‘professionals’ not so professional now a days?

The way Kim Picazzio and Ron’s first attorneys posted outlandish, impertinent, unprofessional statements; NG twisted BS – this ‘Statement Analyst’ passing on analyzing statements made by key players, and instead ripping apart the post a blogger made.

I’m feeling ill from this BS.

Good nite, everyone.

I have my thoughts and opinions about this case and have from the very start.

In looking at all the information that has become available about this case since the beginning, be it that it became known via the boob tube or the interwub, I along with all of you have been able to weigh and measure what I see with my own eyes or what we are all being told by various sources.
I have looked in every direction possible and as sad as it is what we know and what we still don’t know continues to leave room for my original thoughts and theory.

How dare anyone expect me not to keep looking in any certain direction about this case. I am entitled to my opinions just as everyone else is.
I cannot say for 100% certain that my thoughts or theories will be correct on this case or any case until it/they are solved but I will continue to question certain things about certain people and/or events and if voicing my thoughts or opinions or anyone else does the same and it may end up helping in any way then good.

We are all just being human beings doing what is in our nature to do apparently and I am not about to hold that against anyone.

I have seen bashing from both sides and truly imvho it is all simply someone’s wasted energy.
If someone’s theory has substantial evidence that can be tied into it then I am willing to listen but when people consistantly attack either side for no other reason but just to belittle or smear with no other basis related to finding Haleigh then it’s seems to be nothing more than useless information imvho.

Jason said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 12:37 am

CathyJo said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am

Great posts you two. I couldn’t agree more.

OK not to obsess on Peter Seamus but I am really begining to think this guy has some problems. On his blog he wrote that poster’s rage caught his attention thought it would provide a sample into some of the future articles regarding Haleigh, but more importantly, a future exercise that I will ask volunteers to engage in…
NICE BACK PEDALING PETER!

Then he writes that his thread might disappear because his family doesn’t like the tone of the poster…
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Your family is afraid of JNet. I can’t even take this seriously anymore. LOL.

Maybe we should have a pschychiatrist analyize “that man”!!

Simon – I’m sorry. I know you had great intentions and I will admit that I was excited about this new way to analyize the players. I also think there is some merrit to it BUT did you check this guy out. I mean maybe he was an FBI profiler or something and got terminated for oversteping his bounds. Just a theory but he won’t give his creds which means he has none and is self taught OR is hiding his creds for some reason.

Either way – he is smart but is rouge with his power.

I think I read that peter h needs transcripts not audio to enter into a program so it can red flag stuff and then do commentary. Kind of like spell check, huh?

BTW…..We all come here most everyday and no we don’t always agree with one another but theres not one of us here that aren’t here for the same reason,except a select few now and again,in the end finding Haleigh is what its all about and thats why we’re here,I’ve had a few tiffs myself early on…but I still respected the person BECAUSE THEY WERE HERE FOR HALEIGH!SAME AS ME!!and then you go into the mode where you know why we’re here and its easy NOT to argue and sling names and just disprespect people cause they have a different opinion,yall know me well enough now as i do you and just because of that alone..we all go out of our way to be nice about it even if we don’t agree!and even if we do have a tiff for a second,we go right back as if nothing even happened and heck…thats doggone good people!!!! I’ve argued with Tobias,M2,Adams…mistakenly….lol and stormed out of here but it hit me,
and I’d come back and apologize and now i think the world of em’ even if they don’t agree with me……think about it….how could we come here everyday and not care who we hurt…Impossible!

kitty kat said,in April 27th, 2010 at 1:56 am
LoL Amen!!!!!! his family my hind end!

PH is self taught.

If he had any experience/education he had to support his expertise status he would have already done it. It would be easy to do. I’m sure he has a resume of some sort. He could edit any sensitive info very easily.it would quash all the talk. Of course maybe that’s part of the plan to keep his name hot.

Most people are proudto name what they’ve earned in their fields with respect to certifications, degrees, experience etc…they worked hard for it.
Its not like anyone is asking if he has a criminal record of some sort. Hmmmm…? You kninds gotta wonder.

Kninds = kinda’

Cheers, Robin! U r right.

JNet….Mission accomplished…go pat yourself on the back.

Cathyjo,

Your 12:19 post was great! Well said.

I have listened time and time again to the voice print test and both part 1&2 of the voice stress test. I just went back to listen again, because this is where I had heard Misty say that Rons grandma and aunt Lisa had come by that day with laundry. I have noticed that in the original 911 call parts have been removed since we first heard it as well as these tapes. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this? Those tapes do say that 9 minutes have been removed due to speculation of criminal invovement. I was just wondering if I am the only one that has noticed this.

And as far as the j net and PH thing I can see his reaction. Jnet has the protection of a nic yet PH is the guys real name and he has left himself exposed. Would you all be willing to do that? wOULD YOU WORRY ABOUT SOME OF THESE THAT WE BLOG WITH IF THEY KNEW YOUR REAL NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVED AND WORKED? i THINK NOT. JMO

Can someone post what was written on the other site by PH as I think it was removed. Or a link if it’s still there. Thanks

JB, I agree. I was upset that so many who have blogged here for months jumped on the band wagon of disrespect just because it helped discredit someone who they disagreed with.
What a shame.jmo

Maybe all the women in RC’s life are offered up to men. Thus, the reason RC does not care that MC was having sex with other men. Possibly for profit, and continuing the buying and selling of drugs. ‘If you have sex with so and so we will get 30 pills for free.’ Something like that.

Tobias – yes, truly sad. JNet didn’t mind dishing it out to IDENTIFIABLE people (Peter, Simon, etc) while hiding behind her ANONYMOUS NIC…but sure didn’t like it when someone dished it out to her…again, only using her ANONYMOUS NIC. If you can’t stand the heat, then stay out of the dang kitchen already and quit clogging up the blog with your personal CRAP!

Shockwave…I have wondered that too but have been a little fearful of stating as much on here. The backlash for making such a statement can be a wee bit uncomfortable. BUT, now that the cat is out of the bag… 😆 You know, I never understood why Ron was so forgiving about Misty and WBG. He didn’t seem to care who she slept with or what she did….which seems contrary to his personality….but the sex for drugs thing certainly would explain that…and could explain what happened to Haleigh as well. What if Haleigh had a “date” that night…a Haleigh for drugs swap…and that person got rough with her and killed her by muffling her screams (suffocation). Misty calls Ron at work, tells him Haleigh is dead…they can’t call LE because they allowed the abuse….maybe Tommy knew about it…got pills from it for bringing guys to “service” Haleigh…who knows. Maybe even JO was one of Haleigh’s “Johns”. I know it sounds horrible but it happened to Shaniya Davis so it IS possible. Women are property and put on this earth for one reason in a lot of people’s eyes. I’m hoping this wasn’t the case…but it is a possibility. I’m sure I’ll get blasted for even saying any of this but oh well….we have to look at all possibilities. This would explain all of the cover-up and the parties involved keeping their traps shut.

I sure wished we knew for sure that story Ron is telling really came from Tommy. Cobra never says whether he asked Tommy about the night he went fishing with Joe and his son. Could this be Ron trying to fabricate a story to throw Joe under the bus? Ron was known to fish that same boat ramp he knew way before that there were gators there. jmo

OJ…not sure if you were talking about my post or not but okay, could it be that Haleigh was beamed up by aliens? LOL That is about the only story Misty hasn’t told….yet (that we know of)! LMAO

Aliens and spaceships, unproven. Sexual abuse in exchange for money or profit, founded, proven, and probably happening to a minor as we speak. Obviously someone is not paying attention to all the information out there. Another point, drug use is one of the major indicators of a sexual abuser.

Carrie…I don’t know. We’ve often said that we HOPE they tested Jr. I found it odd that Jr went to bed so early and then slept until noon or so the next day as Misty stated. I wondered if he was “sleeping off” some medicine he was given. My son NEVER slept that much. He was up with the chickens EVERY morning and all but refused to take naps! LOL

I just read some info about the St. John’s river that is contrary to what I thought about rivers. It stated that because the St. John’s river only drops about 30 feet, or about 1 inch per mile in its entire 310 mile distance, and because of this the river is very slow moving. To the point that on windy days, the river may flow backwards. Interesting. Which means, if Haleigh’s body was waited down her body may not have moved much at all. All of this is very sad to think about, but necessary.

I’m not a Ron fan, but I don’t think he molested his daughter, or used her as an enticement for drug deals. In the pictures that I have seen of Haleigh, alone and with Ron, she does not appear frightened or wary of him at all. (I have been through this myself. There are NO pictures whatsoever of me smiling, laughing, or cavorting with the guilty parties, at ANY age. Just food for thought~) I have not heard that Haleigh was withdrawn, a loner, or abnormally shy, so I just don’t think she was mistreated that way by RON.

He seems to have disciplined his children harshly at times, and I find that heartbreaking. I would find that theory (hitting Haleigh who then might have suffered a delayed and fatal reaction to the physical punishment) more believable as a reason for Haleigh’s demise (as opposed to being pimped out).

Has anyone been able to confirm what Armando saw, regarding the “floaters” and three items of small clothing or material? Didn’t LE reclassify Haleigh’s disappearaance as a homicide BEFORE those items were retrieved?

Shockwave, Not only that but the boat ramp was on a tributary like part that led out to the St. Johns river. Kinda like a ditch dug into the side of the river for the boat docks.Iwil go see if I can find a posting of a map for you. jmo

What ya think of Hope’s sentence!!! I am in shock!!

B*A – Hadn’t heard! What is the sentence????

Snipped from the sky 973

Judge Terry Larue sentenced her to 15 years in prison, the minimum mandatory sentence for the crime.

The prosecutor reminded the court that Sykes was arrested Jan. 3 on a drug possession charge. She had been released on her own recognizance when agents charged her with drug trafficking on Jan. 13.

OH WOW…found it online – 15 years! No boot camp for Hope! Guess she shouldn’t have run her mouth when she got back from court last time. Her trying to say NOW that she learned her lesson, wants to get an education, blah blah blah, fell on deaf ears after her rant on video last time telling everyone to kiss her a$$, F this, F that….LMAO.

Well, this ought to make Misty, Tommy, Ron and Donna squirm a little bit IMVHO! LOL

Yep, beautiful*, and they even played the audio of the call to her mother we all heard to show she had no remorse. I think this will send a message to ALL of them that they’re not messing around!

I think Misty just peed her panties.lol

If she would have truly been remorseful and shown THAT on jail video instead of the true colors she displayed dropping the F Bomb all over the place and showing NO remorse and acting like betty bad a$$, PERHAPS the judge would have gone easy on her. These people just don’t learn. Her wanting to be a physical therapist….well, would have been GREAT if she truly would have tried to follow that dream (if that is really her dream) instead of out doing/selling drugs. It is a waste….but I truly have no pity for her or any of these jokers. How many breaks do they think they should get?

Misty is probably curled up in the fetal position in the corner of her cell sucking her thumb right now after hearing about Hope’s sentence! LOL

I read Ron was in the courtroom prepared to testify on Hope’s behalf but he was never called to testify. Not sure that I’d WANT Ron to testify on my behalf….he could do more damage than good IMO.

From News4jax:

Hope Sykes, a cousin of Ronald Cummings, received a minimum mandatory sentence of 15 years in prison after pleading no contest to a drug trafficking charge. She also faces $250,000 in fines.

The prosecution played an audio recording in court of a jail conversation Sykes had with her mother. They claimed it proved her lack of remorse for the crime.

That is a long time. Thanks for the news. I guess Hope should not have said she would not do boot camp and if so,they think she is bad now, she will be worse when she gets out.
This is so sad.

Okay…just looked at the picture of her in court….that did tug at my heartstrings a bit. Let this be a wake-up call to the rest of them. So many lives wasted….and Haleigh’s life lost….there are no winners here.

There are actually 10 pictures….shows her mom crying, several pictures of Hope, several of Ron…he looks down and puts his hands up to his face when they started playing the audio tape of Hope and her mom…good pics….does make me sad to see those and to see the heartache but DANG, what does it take to wake these people up? Wasn’t Haleigh disappearing enough? OBVIOUSLY NOT! How many lives have to be ruined before these people shape up? I just don’t get it!

All the photos are sad!

Tommy goes may 13 I am watching for Snodgrass pre trial on the 29 . two days away after all these years I hope those girls get their justice. jmo

Hank, Tommy and Ron are in court on may 13. Misty is in court on june 3. Donna is in another county can someone tell me if they can find it?jmo

Yes it sure has been quiet about ol Donna wonder if she goes to trial before the rest?
Wonder if she will get 15 years too or may be she will get less since she has no priors? jmo

Good grief – that sentence will throw the ”fear” into the rest of the crew!

Geezzee – 15 years, she will do at least 7 1/2 maybe more cuts for classes she completes – but good grief!

15 years – she is a toddler caught in a web!

I don’t honestly think that any of them are sober enough yet to think of what is happening to them. Hope’s charges were nothing compared to what the rest of them are facing. Tommy’s aren’t even as bad as Ron and Misty’s. Maybe the drug use has totally done too much damage for them to understand what’s going on. They just don’t get it. I don’t even think that any of them could even get a DEAL if they start talking about little HaLeigh at this point. Too many secrets and lies. We may never know the truth. They have spun so many stories, they don’t even know the truth anymore. And now there are stories about Teresa’s involvement in covering for Ron. Too much has been covered up and distorted. The PCSD need to have the State come in and start from the beginning with all the families inconsistincies. Way too much playing of the Hatfield and the McCoys at the expense of this innocent little girl.

Oh no, I think she’ll be in awhile.

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Florida Dept Of Corrections:

“Those sentenced to prison in Florida who committed their crimes on or after October 1, 1995 will serve a minimum of 85% of their sentences. This applies to all inmates, regardless of the type of crime they committed. On December 31, 2005, more than three-quarters (80.2%) of all inmates in prison had been sentenced under the 85% law. This percentage represents only those inmates who have every component of their sentence covered by the 85% law. When calculating how much time an inmate will serve in prison you must first calculate 85% of his or her sentence, and then subtract any county jail time already served.”

LFJ, I no where you can listen to the 911 tape . I’ve been trying for days now to get someone to go there to listen to it.

If you want the link i’ll go gack and for you.

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Yes please Linda. Thank you

In that picture of Ron listening to Hopes tape. I think he is trying to remember what he has said that will come back to bite him in the a@@ at his trial. And there he sat in front of the judge that is going to be his judge listening to the person he is ready to testify for. Not a smart move. jmo

Tobias – I agree. I’m sure her atty explained or at least attempted to explain the no contest plea to her. She was just too busy running her mouth and acting tough to listen. She was on probation when she got nabbed again…they have these people on tape so why try and plead not guilty. Running her mouth after her last court appearance and saying she wasn’t going to boot camp, etc, etc, etc….not like she really left the judge any choice. She got caught with drugs and got probation…should have learned her lesson…but NOOOO…she’s then out selling drugs with Misty…..should have learned her lesson and got her act together….but NOOOOO…she runs her mouth acting all tough, F Bomb this, F Bomb that, if they think she’s bad now, blah, blah, blah….I mean WHAT was the judge supposed to do? She BROUGHT this on herself. It is sad to see pics of her in court…BUT…good grief, she did the crime…now she has to do the time. She COULD have gotten an easier sentence if she would have at least TRIED to act like she had learned her lesson instead of trash talking.

I never understood what it was Ron was going to testify about…I mean, if he said “Yeah, me and Misty were selling drugs but Hope wasn’t” then he’d be shooting himself in the foot. Was he there to be a character witness? I mean, come on! Can she NOT think of someone BETTER than Ron for that? I have NO idea why Ron’s atty would allow him to testify on her behalf because he could incriminate himself in doing so. Why wasn’t Misty there if that was the point? It could very well be he was keeping an eye on her….sending a message for her to keep her mouth shut….because I sure don’t think ANYTHING he could say would help Hope OR himself.

OJ – LOL – you always make me laugh with your comments. THEY WERE CAUGHT ON TAPE! THEY ARE GUILTY! THEY DID THE CRIME! NOW THEY MUST DO THE TIME! Her atty was trying to get her boot camp but HOPE screwed that up with her F Bomb attack against the legal system. The atty didn’t break the law. Hope did. The atty tried to get her a better sentence but someone screwed that up and it WASN’T the atty…it was HOPE.

Ron probably called Miss Nancy on her cell phone and she told him to try and make a court appearance so that she could have a BOMBSHELL for a ratings boost! According to what Cobra says she is his Sugar Momma! Explains the hater attitude toward Ron’s women, ie: Crystal, Misty, Amber.

OJ Ron chose to be there. He was not forced into being a supporter for Hope he volenteered for it. jmo

tobias said,
in April 27th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

OJ Ron chose to be there. He was not forced into being a supporter for Hope he volenteered for it. jmo
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Really? Can you show me where he said that, I guess I missed it..

If Art really was at Memaw’s with Cobra and Ron and heard all that crap why did he never write an article about hearing Misty say “they are on to us” and stuff. Art would have been all over it like white on rice.

In hopes tape she said she discussed being a witness for her and he said he would. Her mother then goes on to say TN GGS and an aunt would also be there testifying for her. jmo

Sorry I didnt see it posted the first time.

Art must still be cleaning the egg off his face from the “Haleigh Bones” thing because he hasn’t posted a new self praising article in quite some time! LOL

If you want to listen to her talkabout Ron listen on you tube hope syke 2 right before she says they are 10 steps ahead.jmo

lfj, Hope says on that tape too that Ron was offered 25 I wonder what the offer was? Was he supposed to give Misty up? Was he supposed to testify against her? When they offer you a deal it has strings, wonder what they were.
Could be too that he was trying to see if they had offered her a deal? jmo

JB,How can LE offer a deal to someone who claims to know nothing in Haleighs case? He told Hope and I dont think she is lying that he was offered 25 years. Every says he is cleared so if he is why make him an offer?
LE knows Ron knows something or they wouldnt offer a deal and Ron wouldnt be thinking about taking it. jmo

Hey guys,bro went out for awhile so had to come in and catch up!

Hi cathy, Hope you bro and you are having a good visit. It looked like alot of arguments happened last night. Right now its pretty quiet and we are talking about Hopes sentence of 15 years. 85% is what she will definitly have to serve. thats 12.75 if my math is correct. jmo

JB said,in April 27th, 2010 at 2:05 pm OJ…I’m guessing somewhere in your past you were involved in a legal battle or had a dealing with LE that left a HORRIBLE taste in your mouth because it doesn’t matter if they have the murder on video from 20 angles, the murderer’s handwritten and video confession, 45 witnesses – 10 of which are LE, DNA evidence, and fingerprints on the murder weapon you’d STILL claim the murderer was innocent and was tortured into a confession and it was a big conspiracy against the murderer, etc, etc! But I’ll give it to ya, you SURE make me laugh!
I have to agree,My husbands case was botched from day one and was a horrible thing to go through,sure i feel the cops (1-2)did not do their job allowing a murderer to go free but If i need to dial 911 I do because like JB said,they all ain’t bad,they’re prostitutes and druggies on every corner but does that also mean we are…there are predators you cannot even tell by looking would do that but does that mean we are predators?? No!
Rodney King was a horrible thing to see and worse for him but thats ranks with mean people who rob and rape women in their 80’s and so on who can’t fight back!Just the same basically,cops are human too…..and thugs if its in their nature just as the thug on the street…a civillian who robs and kills!
Sorry,but imo thats just ignorant to blame all of them!Some do care and will fight for justice,some don’t!

TY Tobias,lol yea we are catching up,so good to see him!
Thanks for the update,when Ted went to bed i came on and saw the bickering,lol and caught up there so ty tho for thee recap! I didn’t know Hope had been sentenced.whew!!!!!
I bet she just about died when they played the audio…..God,can you imagine??

it was a MANDATORY sentence, there was no need to play the audio..it was to TORTURE her! Her lawyer is working with law enforcement and I bet in two years she’ll be rewarded with a nice job in the prosectors office. Her lawyer walked her into the lion’s den! disgraceful! she should be DISBARRED!!

Exactly right Tobias,just her attitude about it told me that! Tobias,in the last 5 yrs if i havent lost 50 friends or relatives or people i have known even just by name from od’ing,I havent lost one,an uncle,his wife a yr after him…..you name it…I hate drugs!!!!!!!!!

5TH.NOT 25THHHHHHH LOL SORRY!

yall think Ron’s making a deal?

OJ.I’d say every crook in the world wishes you were the judge,LoL JMHO

CathyJo – CONGRATS on the 5 yr anniversary! That is awesome and you should feel VERY proud! That is a wonderful accomplishment! WHOOP! WHOOP! Let’s hear it for CathyJO! YOU GO GIRL! 😀

CathyJo…so much for Ron is working for LE! LMAO….Hate to see what kind of sentence he’d get if he WEREN’T working for them! ROFLMAO Kinda makes you wonder what else Mr. Cummnigs and his mama have lied about…(not that I ever truly believe Ron was working for LE). But that was their story…I guess they AREN’T sticking to it! Hee Hee Hee

Hope was not guilty of trafficing, maybe possesion maybe possesion for sale but trafficing? NO WAY! way way overcharged! and for her lawyer to plead her guilty as charged is a misscarriage of justice!
the justice system in florida is CORRUPT!!!!

Jb,I weighed 87 lbs.never ate…….no doubt i’d have beenn dead,87 lbs taking 10-20 hydros a day!!!

OJ, OJ, calm down hon.
I’m afraid you’re gonna have a stroke one of these days, lol
Please do tell, OJ..are you hangemhigh on the radio show chat on sundays? LOL

not crackhead skinny OJ!
I was crackhead skinny though i never touched that stuff! Meats for man,bones for dog,lol

Love you guys,Teds back,lol bbs as i can!

ROFLMSAO@JB!!!!!! CROOKS WOULD LOVE HER jB,LOL JMO

bye,waving back atcha…..thought oj was female till that was said.sheesh.everybodys innocent in prison Oj……can ya ever offer why you think theyre innocent……imo lol sorry but i doubt it!

stillucy…Either Ron is giving up names to do with drugs or he is telling what he knows about Haleigh. I figure he’s striking a deal about drugs though…giving up suppliers, giving up other dealers, etc.

I think the only way Misty could get boot camp (be tried as a juvie as a youthful offender) is if she gave up ALL the goods about Haleigh…and she isn’t doing that and time is ticking away. She may have a “Come to Jesus” moment a day or two before her court appearance after seeing Hope get 15 years! LOL Maybe she’ll finally talk….or not.

Shockwave said,in April 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am I do not believe they would have tested Jr. for anything. The police did not know about the drug issues until much later in the investigation. Also, CS won’t even allow anyone to talk to Jr. about what he may have witnessed that night. I’d like to know if he heard Haleigh screaming. It is important to know whether Haleigh was sexually abused by her own family members, because it would eliminate looking for a stranger abduction.
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I’m sure LE would have tested Jr. if they even suspected he had been given a drug. Ron’s record was easily accessible to them and I’d be sure they checked it out.

Re Crystal not letting jr. talk to anyone about what happened….are you kidding? She let him talk to the whole world….did you not see him answering those questions on Geraldo?

As for sexual abuse by her own family (the Cummings)….yuck…what in the world would prompt you to make such an ugly accusation? I know there are RSOs on Crystal’s side of the family, but have never heard of one on Ron’s side.

So are the people who are getting them!

Adams,she looked pitiful didn’t she!

Self study.

Wow, interesting opinions. I kind of agree with both OJ and JB. I don’t think Hope’s lawyer was doing her any favors. Get some rich kid who’s father can afford the best and I’m sure she’d be walkin in the breeze now. I also think this kid has an obnoxious, arrogant attitude that helped pin the tail on the donkey. The drug addiction in this country is so out of hand. As is the out of control behavior of the youth. Truthfully, i just find this whole situation pitiful. It’s really hard for me to find anger, so far just real sadness. Just hope they find the true culprit in Haleighs disappearance so any innocent bystanders don’t have to pay the price.

Mandatory 15years for what she did is criminal in of itself. Yes she was mouthy, immature, and arrogant, all of which are not crimes. When it comes to dealing with issues pertaining to drugs offenses (non violent) the Florida legal system comes across to the world as a back woods, out of date, hick, corrupt, and just so simpleton like it seems flat out pathetic. It’s not a place one wants their child to go to, how many kids party one night and do something stupid or go a long with something stupid and bang their life is over 15-25 minimum mandatory. Mean while the cops, Judges, Lawyers, did the same thing when they were young.
I find it appalling that only a few are holding any accountability on Tommy. It would not surprise if the Putnam LE, Jason, and that hand swinging power tripper all pat him on the back and cut him a deal. I obviously have no faith in them. I need to know more before I can conclude if Misty did all she could do when the actual murder took place. If she was out powered then she was and that is that. However I need a lot more in regards to why she remained silent. With that some qualified sources are going to have to dig into that one. I don’t see LE getting a charge on Joe that will actually stick. Tommy is hailed to much as the good guy by Police at least initially and even now if they tried to retract it I don’t think they can with out confusing people. The only one so far that a charge will stick on is Misty whether she did it or not. What I don’t understand is how does a girl who has an excellent history with kids, no violent record or known behaviours suddenly kill a child. At 730pm she was fine not until these men showed up did this happen and I still believe it would not of if they did not show up. How is it that those out for Justice for the innocent are missing that? I have been under the perception Justice delivered means all accountable held accountable to the fullest and applicable to their role and responsibility in the crime. I guess that is another thing the Florida legal system is behind on or just choses to ignore.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families

Wow, Linda. Thanks for that telephone audio that you printed out. (posted at 1:13)

The thing that jumped out at me is the “OTHER” female voice~ I have to agree with STILL LUCY; I’ve always wondered what Teresa knew and now I wonder if she was that other voice heard. People have said she got there awfully quick AND with an 8×10 glossy picture of Haleigh, too. Many people have commented that Misty did not say that Anne Sykes dropped off clean laundry. So following that line of thinking, maybe she was NEVER there. Maybe she and Teresa are trying to protect Ron and Misty, if indeed Haleigh was taken by drug dealers exacting revenge on Ron for stolen drugs or not paying them back. Supposedly, he owed LOTS of money and moved to get away from those he owed the money to. Hopefully, police have asked Jr. if she dropped off laundry and if they ate on the porch.

I agree with Dusty Rose. Misty had an EXCELLENT reputation as a babysitter. I was baby sitting newborns when I was only 10! (I had many younger siblings. Maybe that explains my caretaking abilities.) Some children are wise beyond their years. I actually called Child Protective Services on one of the mothers I babysat for.(Her very young SONS, a baby and a toddler, appeared to be sexually abused. Her daughters would flinch if you “talked with your hands” as if they were going to be hit next. Their alcoholic Daddy was in and out of the picture.) It would be totally out of character for Misty to begin mistreating children. I don’t think she had a problem with the kids. If she did, why not dispose of Jr., too, and “kill two birds with one stone?” I don’t think Misty did it, though she may indeed BE THE KEY to unlocking all of the sordid details.

But back to LINDA, for a moment. Could you clarify whether Ron says his gun is missing to someone on the phone or in the background, speaking to someone else? I haven’t heard this before.

Michelle, that would be insane, if true. The answer is probably one we can’t even imagine, so who knows? Very astute thought.

It was a good show. I read the blog stuff.

Someone wrote as fact that the radio guy had no credentials. The poster used the radio guy’s real name and made some wild accusations as facts.

The radio guy wrote back an analysis of the poster, which I thought was funny and who knows if it is on or not.

what was weird to me was the reactions:

Anonymous poster rails on someone using real name and no one says a word.

Radio guys rails back, without identyfing poster and radio guy was the bad guy?

not a lawyer but it seems like poster libeled radio guy by using his real name, but radio guy railed back without identifying poster.

I read OP’s stuff and he seems to loves to start fights. I get that.

I don’t see why it was unfair for radio guy to fight back.

oh yeah, I say “my daughter” all the time (I have two) especially to strangers. He wasn’t saying that if you say it you are abusive. He said it was NOT RIGHT for Ron to never use caylee no, Haylee’s name and that abusers sometimes avoid using a childs name. The OP seemed to get really upset with it.

One of the things that first struck me when I first started following this case (in fact this is probably what made me decide to follow the case)– was the video made the first week that Haleigh disappeared. It was the *way* Ron said what he did about spanking his daughter the way allowed by DCF. I could be wrong, but it struck me at the time that he might have been angry at Haleigh, not just the reporter for asking it. I also wondered if there was some reason he might have had to inform himself about the law regarding spanking.

As the child of a malignantly narcissistic parent, I often do have feelers out for the sort of idea that everything is the kid’s fault. But the impression sort of took me by surprise, I wasn’t looking for it at the time. I came into this cold, and the impression simply hit me in the gut. Of course, blaming Haleigh, if true, does not necessarily mean direct involvement in whatever happened to her.

I’ll try to keep up with the blogs from time to time as I can. I sincerely thank everyone who has been on top of all the developments and provided help to those of us who can’t keep up with it as much as we would like to, and let’s all hope the truth of what happened to this precious child is revealed soon.

Just my opinion.