I have followed the Haleigh Cummings case from day one. It has been exactly 15 months of utter frustration. Today represents the 15 month anniversary that Haleigh Cummings was seen. During those 15 months I have met new friends, and certainly made a few enemies. The quest has always been to report on the case, but some do not always agree with my point of view.
In my mind this is a missing child case that should never have happened. The more I hear about the families involved, the more firmly convinced I become that I would not let any of them raise Chia Pets never mind children.
The fact that some of them are behind bars, and others are awaiting the same fate, does give me some small modicum of hope for the Law Enforcement system. I have the greatest respect for the PCSO, and I certainly understand (well think I do) the strategy. Rolling the merry band up in a drug sting was a piece of perfect planing. Hope Sykes playing stupid “The prosecutor can kiss my ass†was the icing on the cake. That statement managed to get her a hefty 15 year sentence. Hope was just a bit player in this drama!
Tommy Croslin seems to be convinced that at worse he is facing three years, that is BS, Tommy is looking at far more.
Misty Croslin seems to think that the maximum she faces is 25 years, sorry, but that is also BS.
Ronald Cummings, the darling of the Nancy Grace program also faces some very serious jail time.
Do the math? If a bit player gets 15 years, what are the serious ones looking at?
Keep in mind, these are convictions over drugs rather than Haleigh Cummings.
I think it would be interesting if Sheriff Hardy and his people set their sights on the Caylee Anthony case. I could see way more than just Casey Anthony in jail. The whole case makes my stomach churn. Just like the Haleigh Cummings case, I can see no innocent people.
Mom and Dad, Cindy and George can afford to take a cruise, they can afford to keep Casey in Twinky bars, yet somehow they have skillfully avoided paying their mortgage for the best part of a year. In my mind they are playing the role of victim. But that is rubbish. Absolute rubbish. These are the media whores.
Both of these stories bother me to no end. I have way more fun talking to ‘bad guys’. Somehow I seem to have become involved with some ex Mafia people. I will say this, they have some damn ethics, no child would be hurt. Were it not for the fact that they have sworn that they will not play in the Mafia Crime Sand Box again, I would love to let them loose on the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony cases.
I am pretty certain that answers would be forthcoming.
Simon Barrett
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As Denny says “hmmmmm…..”
The suspense is killing myself as well
Chia-pets…that’s funny.
Wait, how about folks like ron and misty raising ‘weed’ chia pets….that’s my million dollar idea…off to the patent office.:)
Chia pets,lol
rag weed dolls,lol
Well said.In all my life I have never seen anything like these two cases.Seems Caylee and Haliegh meant nothing to their famlies.Hope justice comes to all who have forgot these angels.
Also I think Ron is aware if not involved in what happened to his child.JMO
Hi Simon,,,do you have anymore vids of the croslns in jail???????????? I sure would like to see them to see what their temps are since Tommy was served Divorce papers….I thought you said you had more….can we hear them.?????
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I think Ron is involved and has scared Misty into silence by convincing her that she will go down for murder with him if he is found out. Not sure how Tommy got roped in but perhaps it was Tommy’s “rope” that the child was tied to a brick with. Still think Ron is in control.
ron knows. misty knows, and tommy knows.
Can you imagine the conversations they’ve had seens the disappearance about what happened?
At this point, they are thinking ‘let LE prove it’. They may not on the Haleigh case but they will on the drug cases and yes, those are going to be some long sentences.
I think Simon is assuring us that no child ~not even Haleigh~ would be hurt by a Mob figure. It seems he has had some opportunity to speak with people “in the know” about such things.
Thank you Simon….
If you guys haven’t read Simon’s Mob Series, you really should! It’s really interesting and thought provoking.
I’ve always heard that wives and children were off limits to real mob guys internal justice system. I agree, this is an inside, local, off the couch in the MH, job.
The mob doesn’t have that kind of muscle anymore! Per Moe Green from The Godfather.
Simon, you are so right, this is so frustrating to me also, i cant understand what is taking so long to get to the truth! These are young people!
Le needs to change thier game, i say put ALL of them in the same room with each other( a small room) and just let the tape roll…but no, we cant do that, it should be allowed when a litle girl is missing and presumed dead!
misty and casey should be put in the same jail and allowed to penpal, now them would be some interesting letters to see.
One thing you have to admit, they said they wanted to wait until they could get them on something big, and they did. They are going away for a long time.
this is work at the hands of the trailer trash clan , not the mob.
I don’t think these players realize these drug offenses can keep them incarcerated for YEARS. They are still saying I DIDN’T SELL.(well yes they did) The drug sentences are mandatory according to Florida law. I hope the LE doesn’t make a deal to let them off if they talk. These people are a cancer to society. Haleigh deserves better than this. It’s always been about Haleigh and who ever is guilty let the cards fall on their back.
Let them be put away for drugs, but we still need to know what happen to haleigh and the drug counts are not enough for me.
The drug coints aren’t enough, that’s true, but lacking any physical body, its going to be hard even if one of the three that know tell a story on the others. They’ve been trying that already.
The hope is that during mistys forecasted 25 plus years in jail for what we see in the videos of drug trafficking, she’ll break.
I dont see if how any of them get an extended stay in prison will break, like i mentioned before, they will not wanna be known in jail as child killers, they rather be known as drug dealers than that. thats the way i see it, but i hope le gets a move on.
If they are going to cut a deal before their drug trials/pleads, they better do it quick. The DA aint cutting any slack after that.
If misty or tommy were to show that an accident happened and Haleigh died, even if they were just negligent and no malice was involved, even if you dumped a body in a panic, what would their sentence be on that? Less than the multiple count mandatory minimums are for the drug charges, right?
Seems that if they tell, as a gesture of good faith, the DA gives them a deal that let’s those sentences run concurrently with the drug charges. Its no more time probably and they can help put Haleigh at peace just like they caused her passing.
Prisoners are already going to think they did it. They aint getting no slack for being quiet. Criminals can smell the guilt on other criminals.
Find a prsioner who had a child die at the hands of an unknown person while they were inside and see how friendly they are with the players in this case.
Tommy and ron are from the baddest dudes in a prison. They don’t have the size or skill to fight with these guys, trust me on that. ron talks a big game, bet at the jump, he will be pummeled. Prison justice is a bitch!!
misty will suffer the same fate. Doesn’t make it right to batter anyone in prison but it happens DAILY for a lot less than someone thinking you are a child killer whether adjudicated guilty or not. Mc, tc and rc have done nothing to come off as the victim of all of this.
And jail fights aren’t exactly filled with rules. You can just tap out when your are down. The beating will continue and they may never see it coming. No honor in that, but that’s the way it is.
They wont ever talk or if they do it will be hard to believe what they say, only way i will believe if one of them tells where haleigh is buried(if buried) any more confessions i will not believe without proof. They need to get the drug triald going also, they have them on video for gosh sakes, whats taking so long. tommy believes he will get 3 years becasue his dumb lawyer is going on tv and saying it, he should tell him the truth also.
It will still be hard for them in prison with that hanging over thier heads and they will get treated rough. Tough guys are not.
There are folks in prison with no hope, short of an earthquake opening a hole in the jail they could escape from(like in Haiti), of getting out.
They have nothing to lose at all, nothing to lose by punishing another prisoner physically.
I bet they all realize that by now.
There only hope is to side with a gang that could protect them and even then, something bad is coming for them.
I’m sure that’s awful for the players parents to deal with, and that is extremely unfortunate, but their kids will pay somewhere along the line.
I dont really care how they get treated in prison to tell the truth i just want to see someting done for haleigh, at least they are getting a move on in the caylee case.
mc, tc, and rc had opportunity to call LE and tell them that someone was trying to get them involved with drug trafficking.
They knew, by mistys own words, they were being watched on the Haleigh case and went ahead and did it over and over again. They could have saved themselves a lifetime in prison and kept quiet about Haleigh and been free.
And I feel their families knew they were in trafficking game and tried to get them to stop(remember hank sr.s admonition of mistys involvement on a jail tape?)
I wonder when the family said ‘hey, don’t do it, they may be cops’ what their reaction was?
Ron is already in general pop so I don’t think LE is too worried about him being beaten up.
I have a disabled relative who worked hard all his life until becoming disabled. We bought him a trailer because it’s the only way he could live and have enough money for things like cable TV and internet. It’s nicer than most apartments and many houses. It’s really going too far to refer to Haleigh’s own family as trailer trash.
Ron is in GP?
Since when?
For about a month now.
IMO, why should any of them tell what happened to HaLeigh? They are already looking at the rest of their lives behind bars for all intents and purposes. To add that she overdosed or Ron smacked her while arguing w/Misty and she later died isn’t going to help them get out of jail/prison in the least.
Personally, I would not be able to keep silent. I would have to confess but these people seem to have zero morals.
Simon, you indicated “The fact that some of them are behind bars, and others are awaiting the same fate, does give me some small modicum of hope for the Law Enforcement system. I have the greatest respect for the PCSO, and I certainly understand (well think I do) the strategy.” “OTHERS ARE AWAITING THE SAME FATE”. Who are you talking about? Timmy? Chelsea? Teresa? Ggma Sykes? Gma Hollars? Joe?
Wait until he goes to prison with the other long term convicted prisoners.
He’s in Jail, with only the suspected for the most part. They don’t want to do anything before their own case is done to get in trouble. Prison is a whole different story.
Also, I think the ‘trash’ in trailer trash disrepects the trailer. Those folks are trash, they just happened to live in a MH. There is trash in million dollar homes for one reason or another. Depends on how you define trash.
Will TN or GGMS crack seeing Hope serve 15 years and Ronald facing the rest of his life behind bars and losing JR for ever? Would they have been targeted for drugs and where they find themselves today if one of them would have spoke up and told the truth in the beginning? Ron is protecting someone and it is NOT Misty, Tommy or Timmy directly.. If not protecting himself, than it is TN or GGMS.
TN is protecting someone and it is NOT Misty, Tommy or Timmy directly. It is either to protect GGMS, Ron or herself. I believe Misty got involved in the cover up and may have drug her family in on it, but, I believe the truth lies with TN and GGMS..
From day one, I have felt TN and GGMS are the real KEY to cracking this case and there has been nothing to sway me away from that feeling to date..
Hope’s 15 year sentence is based on the gram weight she sold, which was right over 16 grams.
Tommy’s gram weight sold is 14 – it’s a three year sentence.
Misty’s weight grams for each charge varies, but her and her attorney are banking on her sentences to run concurrent to one another and she will be out in less than 25.
It’s up to the judge to decide if sentences are to run concurrent or consecutively. This judge may have shown a past pattern of running concurrent sentences for multiple charges.
Running the charges concurrent and not going to trial would be a plea deal for both Misty and Ron. If Ron really turned down a 25 year sentence and goes to trial, he could be made to serve his charges consecutively and that would be a pratical death sentence for him.
I agree…prison is waaayy different then county lock-up. Once in prison he’ll be in with guys there for the long haul. ANother murder or assault charge means nothing to them.
Trailer trash….well, it’s a stero-type but it does describe a certain sub-set of people. Poor, genarlly white, often drug/alcohol use/abuse, DV or child abuse…etc Not necessarily lining ins a trailor but just happened to be the case with Ron.
WIsh we knew the terms of the “deals”.
Just to clarify:
4-14 grams you do 3 years min. mandatory
14-28 grams you do 15 years min. mandatory
28 grams to 30 kilograms you do 25 years min. mandatory.
So 14+ even a milligram = 15
and
28+ =25
I was trying to decide the cut-off point between the two. I decided it must mean 14+ a little to jump to next category. Same for 25 yr cat.
You know the odd thing about those weights. A 5mg hydro contains 500 to 750mg of Tylenol and carries a stiffer sentence than a pure oxycodone or oxycontin that is probably at least 20mg. That’s a strange way for FL to count the weights.
HGM, I think you are right on the cut-off amounts.
Lori:
I agree. The guidelines are off as to actual content. There is a new proposition to change it. THe new guidelines would ONLY count actual drug content, not include fillers/etc.
Increases pill limits x 2-10 depending on which pills they are. Right now 56 pills (approx) to trafficking. New guidelines would be 2 Oxycontins per gram and up to 10 of there pills per gram.
New guideline would mean 112 Oxy for 28 grams and up to 200 other lesser quantity pills before trafficking.
Just want to let you all who do get these jailhouse videos up here, it is such a treat to be able to get information like this when closure seems to be so very long in coming.
They help, is what I am saying, and I am in awe and appreciation.
It appauls me the time for these small crimes.An the fact that UC,agents.state was the main drug supplier.They did nothing but set them up,it wasnt a honest drug bust,with reall street drugs cleaned off the street.It was temptation to broke drug users,not what they were suppling their selves. I cant help it.I just dont agree with these charges,except the pills they sold that were theirs.THIS HELP CLEANE THE DRUG TRADE UP HOW? it was a tool for the Haliegh case. Its 15 months,before the bust no arrest/after the bust no arrest!! I see clearly what the Investigators,an state is doing here.An if these people had money,or paid Attornys,we would be haveing a different out come with thses players,an charges.
Im like the next person,i want Haliegh found/or whats left of her,an i want justice for her,but i want it done the way it lawfuly should be done,that could be my baby girl missing,or my daughter in jail so i want to not be bias in any way,an look at the whole picture,an what the investigators for Halieghs case has been doing all this time.
I also see where LE ,an many others failed Misty,an Ron for that matter.
When Misty called 911 for help,at the hood copping,when her purse was snatched.Why didnt LE place her in a mandotory in house rehab then,an drug sweep that apt complex.She would have gotten treatment,counleling,an may have told what ever it is everyone thinks she knows.
Instead they would rather wait,an make sure she spends many yrs,an ruins any chance of any kind of normal life.Could it be she just may not know what really happened.So LE wont believe that,an now shes just making stuff up,but she really doesnt know,is only guessing.
Ron,surly LE saw at a young age he had a drug problen,see record.Yet they never put him anywgere,or forced him to go to any treatment program.Oh i know all they know how to do is arrest,an let the Judge go from there.
He!! for that matter,all the prier parent of Ron,Misty,an Crystal had used,or sold dope,an the their children all were users.Then we Have Haliegh,an Butterbean,another geniration who may have followed in their footsteps. A older Haliegh could have been a Misty,when she grew up around 2 parents,an their friends of users.ITS SAD,AN HAPPENING ALL OVER THIS WORLD
No charges after 15 months,no Haliegh.BUT EVERYONE SAYS WHY WONT THEY TELL WHAT THEY KNOW,COULD IT BE THEY JUST DONT KNOW.
I think the PCSD just didnt know how to investigate this crime,an im sure they tried.But it seems theres been many bungles,i even see some myself.
With all those woods around that trailor,i dont see how they can rule out a stranger.Or even family SO.To me MG,has acted cold as ice,im still not ruling out that she could still know where Haliegh is.
If they show bones,her dress,or Gold neclace,then ill know thats her,if DNA MATCHES.but so far that hasnt happened.I really dont put it past the 2 M&T to have just made the story up, from all the rumors they heard.
However for Tom to say he was there,an saw Joe.Then that eye whitness.An sherriffs let up know point blank,his words((Joe has lawyered up,meaning he could only go so far)),in questioning him,cant force a LDT (which i dont trust anyway)But Hardy doesnt have access to Joe like he does Misty,an Tommy,Or Ron for that matter.
I want who ever harmed Haliegh to pay dearly,but i would truly hate to be a part of sending someone away,that there just isnt proof enough for me to belive what LE /media is trying to feed me.I pray they charge,or get the right person.
It has been done before ,a stranger abducting a child right from under familys that was sleeping.One 1o feet from parent,leaving no forced entry, DNA,or,trail behind.The child just vanished,untill the body was found,some have never been found.
Misty on 011 Call sounded,in shock to me,like duh!!! An im sure Ronald being up set,an angry.May have pushed her around some,before the call,it didnt sound off to me,to many people read to much into those calls,every one acts different in a crises,talk different-just simple respond different,an we say we would do this,or that.But we wernt a 17 yr old girl,an wouldnt have a dominite lover over us,with the Child missing to boot.We just dont know how we would act,the mind does funny tings under stress.
If LE proves Misty ,or Ron,or any of the family did this,ok im with everyone.Just being a rough bunch,doesnt make them killers.I could go with a young woman giving to much tylonol,(childrens)or some form of cold meds that make a child sleep,an her dieing from respitory failure.
My son when young drank pedicare,my daughter didnt close the lid tight,when she gave her child a dose.He drank it an come close to dieing/a complete accident.They told me the base in the cold meds for children,have adverse reaction when given to much,it reacts like someone taking to much coke.Stange but a DR told me this in the hospital. Heart fails,shuts respitory system down.
But to give a child a pill thats more valuable to a doper,tthan their own moma,i dont see it,Haliegh could have injested one,thinking candy spit some out,an it still was enough with her astma to kill her.
They could have fought over something,Haliegh getting into the mix,was stuck,in the head,she later went to sleep an died,but for Misty to have beat her to death,an shes a known babysitter,with no complaints ,im noT buying it.
Could She have woke to one of those stoned men raping Haliegh maybe,an Haliegh had a astma attack,died an they paniced,but i dont see her covering that either.
–but im still leaning on her being asleep,an someone slipped Haliegh out to mess with her/she was a little girl wasnt she,an then dumped her body.That Putnam county,is a mass of wooded areas,im sure all hasnt been searched,an a very large river,with many dumping sites. JUST MY THOUGHTS THIS MORNING,ILL PROBABLY CHANGE THEM TOMORROW LOL
Jan57,
I appreciate those thoughts. May not agree but I’m not going to be on a jury is anyone is charged and I will never see all evidence until a trial is going. I wasn’t there and I don’t know. I think, based on reasonable expectations of what I’ve seen. That’s all.
I do remember misty saying something she knew would effect two people? Presumably tc and jo from suppostion of the players. Could this be part of her making up stuff and trying to figure a way to give le sometjing to go on? Possible under your theory.
Tommy now says he didn’t go there so that could mean he is distancing from that to keep himself out of the scene itself. Why the sudden change? When he said he went there and knocked an no one answered, what was going to do for LE? He said 10pm was his visit time, misty says 10-1030 bed time. Just makes her look like she wasn’t there but doesn’t change the timeline of loss. If he’s going to cover for her, he didn’t start off that way with that info.
On the charges, I think you said it, they stung poor srug users. They were dealin prior to the sting.
If LE got a call that said ‘hey, joe blow is dealin, I’ve seen it and bought from him. LE would have to act on that tip and try and catch the guy dirty. I think that means they had to try and bust dealers they got a tip on. Somebody that knew of ron and company tipped them off and low and behold they were interested in trafficking for the money and the pill profits.
As far as the car jacking deal, do you think misty would have gone to a rehab? I can’t imagine that a court would have jurisdiction over her just because they think she was buying weed or something. As you see on the show COPS officers will tell a perp or a victim that was in a bad spot to begin with by looking for drugs, they should get help. But they can’t make them. She could have tried on her own to get in a program.
ron too. His mother worked for the county, there were programs he could have tried. Hell, AA would have been a good start and he could go whenever. I think when we say the system didn’t help them when they were caught. The offender has to be willing. Its a hard thing to do, no doubt. But there is help out there before you do crime that hems you up for years.
Yes thers help,but im speaking of when these people were minors.Parents/pr schools/or state didnt care to help.
DFS had been to Ron/Crystals/Tommys homes,about things to do with calls made about the children,an drg use/violence,being i the home.Not one thing was done.They walk away not removing children.An cry foul,were understaffed,if a child dies in a home they have been to.
Crystal faild,an refused manditory drug testing .after Ron jr was placed back in her car.Several things were brought out in to the opwn about Crystals little girl being around drug use/riding in a car,with a mother high.But the state let those children stay there,an offered her help.
OJ did bring up something interesting on the former thread.About someone watching,an taking Haliegh,someone who may have cared.
Her nebulizer being gone,could have been because the person who took her cared about her,an her having her treatments.
Scools didnt keep up with Crystals drop out,or Mistys,never reporting it.
Yes i see where many failed Haliegh,an the other children as well.
Then we have the drug users/an abusers,as well.
Just because Misty was her care taker,when she went missing,isnt proof she murdered her.
Hao many babies have been taken/no forced entry,no trail.With the parents sleeping in the home the child was sleeping at.Ron had just started on the night shift that week.An a perv,will watch a house,if he sees something he wants,like a thief,untill the time is right for the taking.
15 MONTHS,before,an after the drug bust.An still no Haliegh,or no proof.Im beginning to wonder myself.She was ever accused of harming any children she babysat for,all even The bio mom,said Haliegh,an JR loved Misty,an she seemed to love them.I dont see her as a murderer,maybe,a accident ,an paniced cover.Or maybe she was just alseep,an another child was snatched.
Ithink Hardy has tried hard to solve this case.as others have,i just think they have missed the fact,theres pleant off woods,an easy escape in that dark area they live at.Im wating for proof,That Haliegh isnt with the living anymore,an pray the true criminal get arrested,an pays the price,if she was indeed murdered. MOP,no debate needed,we all have OP,im rolling this way today lol.Been ip all night thinking about it.
I agree the parents HAVE to be the first line of help, but some parents aren’t up to it.
DcF has to be careful that they have full looks at wrongdoing and steps mandated by law are followed before plucking children. We know dcf was all up in rons bizness over something that if happened again would have cost him big.
No, misty is a not a murderer for just being the last to see someone alive. But, when its you who is watching the kids, you have to be on point. They can’t protect themselves, the adults have to do it. That is a non-negotiable as a parent.
No forced entry on the doors, right? If you think picking at or bumping a lock open is quiet, its not. If the door was unlocked, why? You are a 17 year old, home by yourself, with two small children and a known druggie, ron, as a roommate, and you don’t lock doors? mistys brother is a thief, and not the only thief they all know. Instinct would be to lock a door.
Is the purpose of the pre-trial hearing to bring before the judge to discuss the remaining motions before the actual trial date is set?
For instance if Rons defense team accepted a plea deal wouldn’t this be recorded and a sentencing date be scheduled?
Wonder if we could be hearing of a plea deal for Tommy too this Thursday?
I saw the kindly, retired cop, who lost a daughter, that was offered up Haleigh to make up for his loss.
For such a far out story, you would think whoever leaked that had to know who the cop was.
Why not name them, that’s the least the person could do.
If that theory is true, how does this ex-cop who I’m sure would have family and friends, unless he lives in a mountain cabin and lives off the land, notice a ‘new’ kid on the scene and know that you can’t take another persons child because you lost yours. There would have to be a bunch of people looking at that funny. What about when Haleigh goes to school in this ‘new’ town, what birth certificate are they going to use? Wqhat shot records are they going to have. What about someone who wacthes Ngrace and recognizes her stature and her special little face? What about getting a refill of the needed medicine refill. What previous doctors records are available to the ‘new’ doctor.
All that is a monumental task to come up with all that and keep it a secret. She can talk, she remebers her dads name, her moms, her brothers. When she starts telling other kids where she comes from and who her dad is, and then a teacher hears it, what are they going to do? Call the ‘new’ parent and hope they can explain it away? Would that ‘new’ parent just uproot and move to another town? Think of the trail they would leave and having a suspicious school on your ass won’t be easy to run from.
Its all too much, imo anyway.:)
If they prove any of the three in jail,or Joe harmed,that beautiful little child,then let the courts have at it.But i want some proof,more than 2 cinder blocks,that could be used for many things at a river.It has been mentioned that blocking doors is tommys MO when thieving,an Johnny Sheffields when working on the farm,so who knows.I just want this to come to a close,an let the familys finish grieving.A have some form of ceramony for Precious Haliegh.
I have been on strong pain meds for a while,DR ordered,for a 3 serious issues with pain,an my health.An i never murdered mine,abused them,or allowed anyone else.However sleeping deeply is a side effect from them.I would fight to my death for my children,or grands.An call it out,or step in if i saw anyone harming a child.
I lived through a 2 yr old getting murdered my sister grand baby,my heart strings.I know how people gossip, add to things,an they over looked the true murderer in our babies case for over 2 yrs.We kept trying to tell them,they kept looking at us.but in the end our little loved one got justice,as much as a court can do.it was all along the one we thought it was.Which was not family.
So while the Law,was after one of ours,we were after the true killer,an got that person,our PI did,an our family solved the case.So i look past the bull,an wait.For justice to come for Haliegh!!!
I truly believe Caylee was murdered by Casey
But i havent began to believe Mistys a murderer yet.Could always be wrong,but ill wait an see.
I do know its way over due for this case to be solved.But later is,better than never.
Pardon my typos,im typing in the darker,area,on my couch,an my eyes arnt the greatest anyway..
Jan57…
C~A and I have discussed this case since the beginning and have tried to look at every possible angle, taking the evidence available in to account and even making up some to try and make things fit. Still, something does not add up. C~A has pointed out, often, that Misty has failed every one of her lie detector tests. Now I know that they are not 100% reliable, but that should mean that if Misty is telling .00005% of truth she should have passed at least one.
Even if Misty was zoinked out on every drug on the planet, if she was telling LE what she “believed” to be the truth she would pass. She has failed every test because she is lying. Maybe they are not asking the right questions. You have pointed out that Misty is only 17, and I am not going to go into detail about that, but we have discussed what we would have done in that situation “best we could” because you really don’t know till it happens. An adult that IS a mother and has many years of “real life” experiences would react one way, and a “child of 17” certainly will not react the same way. Perhaps that is why she waited till Ron came home to call 911. That does not explain all the failed tests. Bottom line, she is lying.
I’m truly sorry for your loss. I can’t imagine what that must feel like.
You come from a different perspective than I do for sure. Either way, we want the perp caught, tried and convicted then punished. I want the trial to be fair, why not. Putting someone in jail that is absolutely not guilty doesn’t respect Haleigh, it disrespects her.
I’m anxious to see all the evidence not just the bg and ah’s evidence they show nightly. The real stuff. If it doesn’t rise to beyond a reasonable doubt, I would have no problem saying it.
If they were guilty and said so after being tried and found innocent because the investigation was flawed, I’d still have to accept that the system failed. That’s not likely to happen but you know what I mean.
Jan57 May 11th, 2010 at 5:05 am
Pretty sure Ron or Teresa said that Haleighs nebulizer was left behind in the trailer on one of the Nancy Grace shows when Ron was there with his lawyer. I believe Ron started the night shift 4-5 weeks before Haleigh went missing.
You make a good point about DCF and missing kids.
I still think it was a sex offence against a little girl,either a outsider,or one of the family men.But thats just me,because of so many pedifiles running lose,an so many RSO,packed into these small towns.Heck it could be a old dirty minded neighbor.But who ever it was must have known the layout of that moble home,from before,or after Ron moved there.An it just could be the ones LE have been looking at. Who knows this is all crazy,I feel for the investigators,i wouldnt want to be them.It seems most have their mind up,from what im reading,just dont know how it played out.
misty called authorities when she was jacked. She did that quickly.
Waiting for ron, I believe that. She was thinking of a story to tell him of what happened and came up with the stolen kid reason.
If tommy was a door propper, and did this, that would fit with the intimate knowledge of the trailer and how to get in. Still, he’s no stranger who abducted her if true.
MISTY MADE HER “OWN” BED…nobody forced Misty to sell drugs..she looked really comfy and cocky at the very least smokin away in the front seat of the car. I don’t care how they find justice for Haleigh as long as it happens. Nobody forced Misty to buy the drugs when her purse was stolen..”Maybe she didn’t know what happened to Haleigh”??
Then why does she fail all polys and why does her story change like the wind?
Le failed Misty? Why no put her in drug rehab? Why not babysit her? Do you realize how many hundreds of thousands of drug addicts there are in in the united states..It’s not Le’s responsibility to PLUCK snotty nosed teens off the streets and put then in rehab!
Misty is getting her REHAB IN JAIL…where she belongs.
Maybe now THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT!
Its been a long 15 months for me to.But maybe soon,they will let us know something.
Im going to TCD for todays hearing on the DP,if it stays/Casey did her baby wrong.She has no excuses in my eyes,for what she did to Caylee.Evidence points to her,an her only..
Unless my sister comes in from outa town,them im riding off a piece, chat later,hope someone finds something new out today.About little Haliegh
Nice chatting with each of you.
Take care.
Misty broke the law PERIOD! Misty had choices to make and she made them. I’m positive it wasn’t the FIRST BAD CHOICE she has made since Feb10/09. None of them care about Haleigh, they all just want to get HIGH!!!! So seeing em all sitting in the clink is one small victory for haleigh. Not because they are in jail for what they all did to fail haleigh BUT FOR DEALING DRUGS. IMO…it’s ironic since I feel drugs had a lot to do with the reason she went missing in the first place. IRONIC JUSTICE IS BETTER THEN NO JUSTICE AT ALL..
Karma.
Just ask simpson.
Karma.
JABA – Exactly!!! You get what you deserve..nothing more, nothing less!
C-A say that if its one of your snotty little kids on the street in trouble,an LE knows it.Americans thoughts are heard all of them in like cattle to prison,an we wont have to deal with them,even the ones who have only known this life,even first time offenders 25-life who gives a damn right.As long as its not one of yours
.An yes LE out there to protect,an clean up our streets,thats what they get paid to do,an why arnt they protecting these young people,when they see them in danger.Could it be better to get a conviction,a notch in ones belt.TRYING to get higher up in the success of being a higher ranked officer.Rather than having a heart for the young,in trouble from drug addiction,these young make babies,an harm may come to those babys,if the youth today dont learn life skills.Be helped,when we see they have addictions,so much easier,to just sit back,turn our heads till they get popped,an ruin their whole lives,or OD AN DIE,than to extend a helping hand,of a Free dry out center,an training,counseling for free.Many are at rock bottom today,wishing they could afford a rehab,but use again because of the symptomes of withdrawls.
America,yes seems we as a nation, dont have time to fall on our faces before God an pray for all the youth dieing from the drugs brought in to this country,which they should be the ones being caught,an put off the streets for 25-life,the big boys,who get them strung out.Do we pray,or try to find a anwser of how to help someone elses child whos headed down the wrong path.Maybe we just turn our heads till something awful happens.
Or lets Just forget about rebilitating the non violent,We can just heard them in with the murderers,rapest,child killers.So long as it doesnt cause us to have to make an effert to help,Oh thats right its not one of yours,so you dont care..PLEASE.
clean up the streets..YES…BABYSIT DRUGGIES NO!
JMHO – the streets are cleaner in satsuma by 4
My comment is about all the youth in America today,not just Misty.Its a normal thing to day to look away,hey my neighbors kids getting out there,better lock my door.Instead of taking a few min.of time,maybe to talk to them,look for somewhere they may can get help.You have many decendents yet to come,mine how you Judge another,mans child,you may just be faced one day,with the same delima.
Jan57
One of My snotty nose kids???????
Watch it lady dont make this personal you will regret it
How may times has misty, at 16, bought cigarettes underage? How many bags of weed has she bought? How many pills has she bought?
How many times has she drank underage?
How did she drop out of school before the leagl age to do so?
She’s not innocent overall. We know that.
Now, had her parents been able to stop her and show her role model behavior that didn’t have drugs and alcohol, she may have been better off. What is done is done though. I bet hank and lisa feel bad enough that they’ve had it rough because of their demons and their kids didn’t fair any better. That has to be painful and other than a hank sr sunglass joke, I’m not aching to kick them anymore. They’ve pretty much tapped out on their current lives. If they move forward and do ok, I’m honestly happy for that.
Still in all, the law is the law. I’ve paid for times I’ve broken the law and much like getting caught for speeding isn’t the first time you’ve sped.
The punishment fits the crime and if not cruel and unusual, held up by courts, is the price they all pay for their offenses against society.
Do I care if misty or ron drink or smoke pot? No. They don’t drive and hit me or anyone else and they don’t steal from my back porch to pay for it, I don’t care. Have fun.
When you add kids you have a duty to society not to harm them in a manner that we deem inappropriate. You can punch a kid in the face, but you can swat their behind. We have to have rules or we really have a problem. You let a ron type beat on a kid and that kid more than likely will beat on someone down the line. Who knows, maybe the kid gets to a point where he or she commits suicide or kills the offender in their sleep. rons parenting and the croslin parenting model was flawed beyond belief.
Great post, Jaba
Ca @6:46
Ouch!! I felt that over here. 🙂 its true, though.
Jan,
Its the PARENTS responsibility.
I know you’ve seen a mother bear protect is cubs, a lioness defend its cubs, an elephant defend its calf, right.
Well, people are capable of protecting their children beyond belief. Some have differing levels of strength in this area, some, like misty, just don’t know exactly what to do when the pressure is on. She doesn’t get a pass for this, but it comes from her parents lack of tuoring, mentoring, caring for her in the best manner. I don’t know hank or lisa but maybe they had it rough too and didn’t have enough skills to make it happen for their kids. That doesn’t make them satans children, but somewhere along the line, all these folks heard right from wrong stories, and they’ve chosen wrong so many times that that’s what normal is to them. Kind of sad. We can’t afford to monitor and hand hold parents. They had the kid, now do thejob that comes with it.
I’m not trying to come off as scolding, I mean the post with respect.:)
jaba, that is part of the problem she is NOT a mother. Rather shoved in to the job. So jan57 dont compare her to REAL mothers
Thanks becky.:)
Where I mistyped ‘can punch a kid in the face’ should have been ‘can’t’.
Beast,
Snot, in the right light, does add a bit of flair to a kid.:)
It would be MY responsibility Jan57 if it were one of my kid was on drugs..NOT LE’s..TO GET our kids into rehab. It’s not my child and that’s irrelevant. We are talking about MIsty croslin so let’s stick to the facts here ok and you can LEAVE MY KIDS OUT OF THIS MESS thank you very much. I also might add that it is HIGHLY likely that Misty either killed haleigh or at the very least knows what happened to her.
I am not going get into this with you and how you have expanded this conversation way bigger then I intend to spend my time on. My opinion is Misty is where she belongs to be..her choice PERIOD! No body will change my opinion on that.
Beast,
I agree, babysitting and parenting are miles apart.
jaba, ya well thats not the way it was put and you know it 🙂 but nice try lol
When you are a dad, and you say that you discipline your 40 lb little girl in the manner “they” say you can, and you’ve had that “contract” documented with consequences attached, you have to be an complete cowardly, dirtbag.
You mean to tell me that ole ronbo felt he had to smack or punch or kick or spank (I don’t know which he did before the contract) a little bitty girl who you say is your heart? Please, dude. Be a man that will go to prison for avenging his daughters death or harm WHILE you are with her. Take all that “cocky, man-up, f’ u walk and talk, struttin’, stylin ‘ and profilin’ demeanor and protect your own kids at all costs. Nope, he didn’t. Hopefully lil’ JR will. And I bet he does!
Beast,
Don’t overestimate me, I know very little.:)
There are millions of druggies like Misty all over the world…have they fallen through the cracks..perhaps..have their parents failed them ~ yes some..IT DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACTS.
Misty was old enough to get married, sleep with all kinds of guys, play MOMMY …and deal drugs.
Drug Rehabs have waiting lists months and miles long. They are for people who WANT HELP…for LE to just throw her in a rehab even if they had a bed for her ( which they don’t) would only be taking up space for someone who truly wants to be helped. If Misty can go out and do and deal drugs while haleigh is missing…shows you not only does she not care about haleigh even though she “claims” to love her like her own…but she doesn’t care about herself.
does that mean she doesn’t need help..NO..
AGAIN…SHE IS WHERE SHE BELONGS..it all boils down to her own choices. She did the crime…she’ll do the time. SHE IS GETTING THE HELP SHE NEEDS IMO.
She needs to know that her drug use AND her crimes NEED TO BE DEALT WITH..IMO where Misty is concerned this is the only way she is going to get it in her thick skull to straighten up her ways is by FORCING HER TO…she helped by bereaking the law..perhaps it saved her life!! Ever think about that?
What kind of support system would misty have had if she did do 6 month in a rehab? Her family? Ron? White boy greg? Nay nay? It would have been tough.
Inside she will learn all about the right and wrong of prison and beyond. She can chose to get an education, be a model prisoner, get involved in prison programs that will teach her life skills, or, she can be the tough girl who gives the guards trouble nad hardens into a 40 year old parolee that reoffends in 5 minutes. Its up to her. She has a long, structured program to take her through the rest of her teen years through middle age. Then she’ll have about 40 years of life left to be a good girl and use what she has learned.
I do admit that 25 minimum sound harsh, but, if the penalty is what is based on the states need to curb a problem, then so be it. I wouldn’t sell dope in satsuma if I lived there.I’m sure other kids will see the outcome and stay away from it.
I agree Simon. At least about the point of parenting. Just because you are able to put out sperm and fertilize it somewhere does not make you a perfect specimen to raise children (and raise them right). I’m by far a perfect parent, but I do try to keep my children out of harms way. My first parenting experience was as a step mom. I didn’t know the first thing about parenting. I can completely see how Misty being thrown into a parent-like position as a 17 year old girl is the same as giving Paris Hilton a brand new car and the keys to her very own bar.
I don’t agree with anything those in jail were doing, but I do feel that their punishment thus far is more damaging than justified. Maybe not in Ron’s case, and I’m still not sure about Tommy, but Misty and Hope Sykes are essentially children. I screwed up a lot when I was 17 and 18 years old, and my father was an elder at the church our family grew up in. I was given all the basic necessity’s a child needs to grow up and grow up well. I fear Hope and Misty were not. It seems to me it would be better to reform them rather than throw them in jail, have them become bitter old women, and then get out of jail only to commit more crimes. If we find out that Misty had anything to do with Haleigh’s death or her missing status then I will of course change my tune about whether or not she deserves such a lengthy jail term. JMO
Thank you for all you do…for free… for us.
HALF HOUR UNTIL D.P HEARING ON KILLER ANTHONY..
WFTV covers it as well as COURT T.V…
I’m not sure, but florida, can an attorney argue for a more lenient sentence after mandatory is set down by a judge based on upbringing. misty didn’t have a fair chance going from kid to teen to ron. I wonder if they can bring that up during the sentencing phase, but if their is a mandatory, maybe it doesn’t get played at that time.
Something that has always bugged me and as far as I know never been answered….Why have first Misty’s parents not been charged with child abuse for allowing their 15 year old daughter to be living with a 20-something year old man? And from listening to the tapes even before that they let her live with some other guy that beat her? Next why was Ron never charged with statutory rape not only of Misty but of Crystal and the other baby mama?
Something that has always bugged me and as far as I know never been answered….Why have first Misty’s parents not been charged with child abuse for allowing their 15 year old daughter to be living with a 20-something year old man? And from listening to the tapes even before that they let her live with some other guy that beat her? Next why was Ron never charged with statutory rape not only of Misty but of Crystal and the other baby mama?
I don’t think that baez will win having them take the dp off the table. He’s going to argue gender or bad faith, yadda, yadda. Caylee was murdered, premediated, in a gruesome way and buried in a bag. That case deserves a death in return. This child killing has to stop. Are you kidding me? Another parent accused of overpowering a two year old and ending her life. Amazingly sick.
She’ll bury her parents at the sentencing phase of that one to try and save her life. It will be ugly.
If misty never said they were having sex, then their is no complaint unless someone had video or witnessed it.
There is video of Nay Nay talking about how Misty thought she might be pregnant.
Judge Perry is allowing Lyin full reign so far…
lol@jaba
the child ( caylee ) was well dressed and nutured and well fed NOT BECAUSE MIZZ ANTHONY was at home taking care of her…GEEZ…
If nay nay says misty says it, its subject to the hearsay rule I believe. They may investigate while misty was a minor but if she said no, I don’t think they could do anything. She could say it wasn’t rons, it was some other juveniles.
I tend to agree with Jan in a way. Fifteen plus years for a first offense of trafficking seems like way over the top. Especially when you consider the ages of the offenders. A seventeen or eighteen yr old is barely out of puberty. No where near maturity. Put them away for a few years and give them mandatory classes, on life skills, vocational rehab and drug rehab. If they come out and offend again a stiffer sentence could apply. To house one prisoner in prison for 15 yrs costs about 500,000. Why not 3 yrs with some training. To many of the youth are reared by inept parents, through no fault of their own. Why not give them a chance to learn some life skills? I just don’t see throwing the book at them as helping our society. Not to mention the expense. Violent crimes are a different issue.
These morons have told so many different stories, who would believe any new information that they spout. There has to be real “hard evidence” to back up a new version of “how it went down”.
Let’s just give the whole clan the DP and save all of the taxpayers some money. It’s not like these “critters” offer any value to society.
ANON,
News flash the death penalty costs the taxpayers more money. Should we give them the death penalty without a trial?
ANON…add yourself to the list
Jeez. Sarcasm doesn’t go over too well here.
Depends on what time of day or who the bloggers are at the time. lol
Exactly what I was saying maryd. Hope and Misty are young. Did not have a good home life. If the system is to work correctly, then all aspects of one’s life is to be taken into account. The system seems to work if you are rich, a celebrity, or a child/employee of a political figure. All people who did have a good start in life, but abused their clout. People like Misty who never had a chance (no matter what race)…here is an opportunity for the powers that be to help instead of hinder. That is of course if Misty did not have anything to do with Haleigh’s demise. That’s a horse of a different color.
Agreed Shockwave,
All these people who feel Hope was given too strong a sentence for just “one little drug deal”, need to remember, Hope had 4 arrest, all in a very short period of time, prior to her last arrest.
This is a person who has NO respect for the law and thought she could just walk away with another slap on the wrist and continue her path of destruction. The same with Ronald and that smug look on his face, it will soon be slapped off with some serious charges…
Misd/Felony Degree Bond Bond Posted
812.015-2 SHOPLIFTING PETIT FROM MERCHANT 2ND OR SUBSQ OFF M F $504.00 6/10/2009 3:27:04 PM
810.08-2b TRESPASSING OCCUPIED STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE M F $504.00 6/10/2009 3:26:35 PM
$1,008.00
893.13-1a2 MARIJUANA-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG OR DELIVER SCHEDULE I F T $1,004.00 6/26/2009 9:45:31 AM
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M F $504.00 6/26/2009 9:45:21 AM
893.13-1a2 MARIJUANA-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG OR DELIVER SCHEDULE I F T $1,004.00 7/29/2009 1:23:05 PM
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M F $504.00 7/29/2009 1:22:54 PM
812.015-2 LARC PETIT FROM TRANSIT AGENCY 2ND OR SUBSQ OFF M S $504.00 7/29/2009 1:22:34 PM
810.08-2b TRESPASSING OCCUPIED STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE M F $504.00 7/29/2009 1:21:31 PM
$2,516.00
893.13-6a DRUGS-POSSESS CNTRL SUB WO PRESCRIPTION F T $1,004.00 1/3/2010 9:51:49 AM
And her last one…
893.135-1c1 DRUGS-TRAFFIC 4 GRAMS LESS 30 KG OTHER CNTRL SUBST F F $150,000.00
Buddy,
That’s why I suggested life training classes, drug rehab and vocational rehab. It’s not like she learned anything from her prior offenses. Knowledge doesn’t come from thin air. It sure doesn’t come from imprisonment either. It is obvious Hope knew little other than the life of crime. Most prisoners come out of prison as more hardened criminals.
MISTY MADE HER CHOICES…WAS HALEIGH THAT NEVER HAD A CHANCE NOR A CHOICE…….
Gotta go folks. Still good to hear everyones opinions.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=3&From=list&SessionID=21314565
Hope’s new home and Mug shot.
LadySadie said,in May 11th, 2010 at 7:55 am Something that has always bugged me and as far as I know never been answered….Why have first Misty’s parents not been charged with child abuse for allowing their 15 year old daughter to be living with a 20-something year old man? And from listening to the tapes even before that they let her live with some other guy that beat her? Next why was Ron never charged with statutory rape not only of Misty but of Crystal and the other baby mama?
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Just a couple things. Misty wasn’t 15, and Ron did not break the law by being with Crystal and Amber.
The thing is its like leading a horse to water, you cant make it drink. Rehab and other tools work if the person getting the help really wants help. She didnt want boot camp or any other help and even said so on the tape.
Oh yeah they all want rehab once they are in trouble but thats just to get a smaller sentence. Listen to Tommy he says he is gonna clean up his act then says well maybe a little pot and alcohol wont hurt, he isnt gonna change and Lindsy knew it.jmo
Curious,
So misty wasn’t 15, she was 16. Is that of legal age in florida to be with a 20 somethin year old guy?
Nope, I think he was about a year or two too old for her according to the law
794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.–
(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, “sexual activity” means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another
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Crystal, Amber and Misty were all under the age of 17, Ron is 27 now so at least with Amber and Misty he committed a felony.
Is that Florida law? Because states all have different laws on that. jmo
Good Morning everyone,
It is my opinion that the 5 that are behind bars now for trafficing drugs are where they should be and it is a place that has allowed them to clean out there systems and minds and face reality.
The drug charges and sting had a purpose and it was not to take out Ron and Mistys suppliers (the real dealers) but to give LE an edge over these individuals to solve the case of HaLeighs abduction.
If we are to believe what we have seen and heard from LE; they have used this leverage over them and have moved forward in the abduction case. Now does this mean they are guilty or have been finally ruled out I have no idea, but, feel that SH’s mention of other poi and the fact that they believe HaLeigh is no longer alive suggests they know a he!! of alot more than we do.
I know we are all eager for this to end and for justic to be served, but, the wait should not cause personal attacks or short fuses with persons who have nothing to gain or lose in this and are just following the case.
I hate to see everyone disagreeing over opinions that have no evidence or truth at this time to support and since we all can agree we have been given more stories and lies than facts and truths who can honestly say what really happened or did not happen. JMO
Plenty of people have or had a tougher life than this group. A tough life is NO excuse to be a habitual law breaker. The State of Florida does not owe these thugs a pass because they had a tough life. State enforced drug rehab would be another slap on the wrist for people like Ronald and Hope and a waste of money. You know how many people go through the DUI program with enforced AA meetings, The Florida Safety Council DUI Counterattack Program, and in repeat cases have to have counseling by a psychologist, only to go through the motions to get through probation with no intent of learning one darn thing from all of it.. It is a laugh.. I know of people that have had several and each say all the classes and counseling did not help them, it was just a waste of time and money. Why, because they are alcoholics and State enforced help will not get some bulb to go off for them no matter how many times they go through it.. The only thing they “alcoholics” gain is resentment toward the laws and law enforcement.
I have to say I agree with Jan57 about what may have happened to little Haleigh. I think its very sad to keep calling and poking fun at Misty and her family and Ron and hes. I defo don’t think Misty harmed Haleigh and believe it was a stranger that got in and took her.
can I please ask Jan who she is meaning when she says MG knows more and is as cold as ice
Sex Offenses
Florida Statutes Section 794.05 – Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.
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(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
Ronald should have been a RSO.
ron, a felony? The hell you say. 🙂
Crystal and Ron are close in age so while she was a teen when she was with Ron, he was also a teen.
Amber was 19 when she gave birth which made her 18 when she became pregnant, no evidence she had sex with Ron before she was 18 BUT even if they did have sex it was still within the age limit according to Florida law.
marie griffis i assume Carol!
carolants said,in May 11th, 2010 at 10:54 am
can I please ask Jan who she is meaning when she says MG knows more and is as cold as ice
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She is referring to Crystal’s Mom,Marie Griffis.
Some people want so bad to believe Crystal’s family was involved, no matter what…
I know a person who had 16 dui’s and never spent a day!
It’s completely ignored all too often and depending who you know and where ya are!
WhyLie…I think Buddy is talking about Misty. Ron WAS over age to be with Misty and could have (and should have been) charged with statutory rape.
/me lived in lots of trailers but wasn’t trash!
JB, I was addressing LadySadie’s comment about Crystal and Amber but it is correct that Ron was older then the law allows as far as Misty is concerned BUT unless Misty admitted they had sex and her parents filed a complaint there is no way LE could charge him.
tobias said,in May 11th, 2010 at 10:18 am The thing is its like leading a horse to water, you cant make it drink. Rehab and other tools work if the person getting the help really wants help. She didnt want boot camp or any other help and even said so on the tape.
Oh yeah they all want rehab once they are in trouble but thats just to get a smaller sentence. Listen to Tommy he says he is gonna clean up his act then says well maybe a little pot and alcohol wont hurt, he isnt gonna change and Lindsy knew it.jmo
Tobias,you are 100%.100% correct imho……….
at first he wanted nothing,then a few days later maybe a beer or a joint,or both and if he got out today and took one hit or 1 beer,he’d have a pill/crack whatever too,I am a firm believer and knower! that to get off drugs,you can’t replace one with another,its stupid to think so!
he only wanted to be heard SAYING he wanted rehab for a lighter sentence,they ain’t that dumb!
he only wanted to be heard SAYING he wanted rehab for a lighter sentence,they ain’t that dumb!
Any reason why Hank and Lisa Croslin weren’t charged with child neglect in regards to Misty?
Cause nobody cared enough to report it i assume Lady!
Looks like Tommy was served divorce papers and has responded.
2010-05-10 005.RTN OF SVC ON HANK CROSLIN SVD 05/03/10 DUE 05/23/10
2010-05-10 DEFAULT AVAIL 05/28/10
2010-05-10 006.RESPONSE TO SUMMONS : HANK CROSLIN
i HAD TONS OF FAMILY WHO KNEW AND SAW WHAT ME AND MY SIBLINGS WENT THROUGH YET NOT 1 CALL!
did not mean to scream atcha,lol so sorry! I forget my caps constantly!
wow whylie,Gosho! bet he’s in fits!
If i were Lindsey,id have tried saying,if you tell the truth i won’t lleave ya! atleast try something! he prolly wouldn’t but still!
Cathy, LOL, oh to have been a fly on the wall when those papers were served, and when it finally registered in his head what they were.
jaba said,in May 11th, 2010 at 11:00 am ron, a felony? The hell you say.
rofl!
LadySadie said,in May 11th, 2010 at 10:41 ——
Crystal, Amber and Misty were all under the age of 17, Ron is 27 now so at least with Amber and Misty he committed a felony.
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Ron is 26.
OMG,His temper alone makes me wanna be a fly for just 5 seconds WhyLie! just 5??? heck,I’ll take 2?? LoL
WhyLie said,in May 11th, 2010 at 11:01 am Crystal and Ron are close in age so while she was a teen when she was with Ron, he was also a teen.
Amber was 19 when she gave birth which made her 18 when she became pregnant, no evidence she had sex with Ron before she was 18 BUT even if they did have sex it was still within the age limit according to Florida law.
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That’s right, thanks.
Have you ever seen a dog that was mistreated? They learn to be just as mean as they were treated. Misty is living the only life she learned to live. She deserves a fair shake in life just like anyone else posting here does. If she can’t learn to change, and she breaks the law again, then throw the book at her. At this point, she can be rehabilitated or thrown into a prison cell where she will learn nothing and be nothing when she gets out. I’m a firm believer in the fact that people can change when they are taught a better way of living. This is not about whether or not you grew up in a trailer. This is about parenting, and we can all agree that Misty didn’t have great parents.
Heck,i’ll do better than that,just a photo of reality setting in! whewwwwwwwww
even if he’s innocent of Haleigh,that man could care less about his own kids but HEY!She’d better be good to his dog!
awwww now he will worry over his dog,I love dog’s too,Miss Kitty was my baby too (rat terrier) but My daughter and Gson came first,Kitty could live on scraps,,lol
I do not take offence when others disagree with my opinion that the Sheffields are possible behind HaLeighs abduction. What I find unbelievable is that others want to deny or believe that it is not a possibility they did.
Shockwave,I know……i do feel bad but if they’d tell the truth i’d have compassion atleast!
I felt so sorry for her in the ld video,she said “my lifes been hell and its not gonna get any better doesn’t look like”
there was a time i believed it 100% TexMom!
Especially when we saw the video of cs and mg on sheppard smith?
I love this line in an article at WFTV:
“The defense’s position is that Casey should not be put to death because prosecutors cannot prove she killed her daughter in a cold, calculated and premeditated manner. However, prosecutors argue Caylee Anthony’s killer had to use physical force or chemicals to subdue the child, because otherwise she would have been able to remove the three pieces of duct tape found covering her nose and mouth.”
WHAT? The defense says the prosecution can’t prove Casey killed her daughter in a cold, calculated and premeditated manner? Uh, so does this mean the DUHfence is finally admitting that Casey DID kill Caylee…albeit not in a “cold, calculated and premeditated manner”? And I hate to tell them but there is PLENTY of evidence of premeditation! And what happened to all their “PROOF” that Casey was innocent? Weren’t they going to WOW us all with this proof some time back? That was right after their attempt to get everyone to believe in Zanny the Nanny, the tooth fairy, the fairy god mother and Santa Clause failed and right before they went for Kronk’s jugglar with the duct taped ex-wife! LOL
These losers could defend someone for a parking ticket much less defend a death penalty case. They were in court today whinning that the only reason the death penalty was on the table was because the prosecution wanted to bankrupt the DUHfense (weren’t they all pro bono anyway? LMAO)….and that the death penalty is gender biased! ROFLMAO….Uh, if it had been Caylee’s daddy who killed her, dumped her out like yesterday’s garbage and then when slithering on a stripper pole, he’d be facing the DP too! is that REALLY the best Lying Lyon can come up with? OMG! No wonder Casey was sobbing in court. Her DUHfense SUCKS! LMAO
not saying its impossible now but misty should just telll everything that happened,no matter if she is lying or hiding something then we might learn more,ya know!
In the tapes you can hear Misty saying all the things she should have done instead of what she did. This is proof she made choices and has accepted the facts that she did what she darned well wanted until she was caught.
She acknowledges that she should have listened to her parents and stayed with them and not Ron. She says she will now get her GED and should have before. She says she should not have been acting so grown up and running with the wrong crowd.
ITS ALL HINDSIGHT NOW THAT SHE IS IN TROUBLE.
She knew what she should have been doing but didnt do it. She made all the wrong choices of her own free will. jmo
I hope she never quits crying,fake anyway,she’s not capable of emotion JB!
iF SHE WERE SHE’D ADDED IT TOO THAT FLAT TONE IN THE INTERROGATION!
Sorry,i need “duck tape” for my caps again!
yes,she did Tobias! She probably always made adult decisions because her parents obviously couldn’t!
her eyes look evil in this pic,
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/
They look desperate filing 15 motions for why they think the DP should be thrown out….it is like they are truly grasping at straws:
We think the DP should be thrown out because:
1. It is gender biased.
2. The prosecution can’t prove it was PREMEDITATED murder (but I guess they’ve conceded that it WAS murder)
3. The prosecution only pressed for the DP to bankrupt the defense.
4. The bloggers are calling Casey a whore (SERIOUSLY, LYONS SAID THAT IN COURT – SMILE AND WAVE EVERYBODY!!!! LMAO)
5. It is unconstitutional (WHAT?)
6. Because then Bozo doesn’t get to be the ringleader of the three ring circus (only qualified to be a clown)
I keep waiting for Bozo to yell at Ashton, “My daddy is bigger than YOUR daddy and he’s going to beat your daddy up” ROFLMAO
Get a grip Bozo and fellow creeps! IT IS OVER! The evidence is OVERWHELMING! Casey will get her day in court with a jury of her peers….and if the jury has an accummulated IQ over 10, they will convict.
imo SINdy a needs to be with her too!
They all failed Caylee!! Trying to free a slut!
why it’s best not to even get me on the subject,I can’t breathe just thinking about the crap they did to Caylee and her memory!
CathyJo…too bad the DP in Florida isn’t the electric chair….we could get SINdy, Geo and Lee to stand next to Casey in the chair for on last photo….Make sure they’re all touching (and standing in a puddle of water) and flip that switch! Instant justice for Caylee! 😀
and it’s not like anybody can ever change it,I know its impossible but if Caylee had never been found but showed up alive one day,what would she think……….heres her damn granny throwing out letters and cards people sent her………thats how i know c and g knew she wasn’t among the living,they’d have kept those to show her when she was found!
you’re doggone straight JB! I absolutely despise those people!
saying a damn dead body smelled like pizza,yet ordering pizza after pizza to eat! MY GOD THATS SICK!
NEVER HAVE I EVER HATED SOMEBODY SO BAD!
Who here will agree with me about Casey Anthony. I’m not a fry Casey person because I believe in innocent till totally proven guilty. I think someone else is involved in Caylees death and I just cant shake that feeling Casey isn’t as much to blame as the media want to keep telling us.
There is something strange about the meter man who claims to have found Kaylee’s remains. His boss even lived on the same street as the Anthony family. Whats all the more scary is the fact he abused his former wife,and tied her up with duct tape.
He kept finding himself in that area to much for my liking. Could it not be he had been in the area before Caylee went missing and was maybe watching from a distance the family’s comings and goings. Especially Caylee and Casey’s ??
cindy meet ole sparky!
George meet ole sparky,
Lee meet ole sparky,
Casey MET ole sparky!
yea,4 ppl are involved,Sindy,george,lee,casey…imo
Kronks no more involved than i am…….imo…….its apparent she’s guilty…..i don’t need a trial for that! the pix of a mom smiling and grinding tells me that and Kronks wife was not abused,funny how she didn’t even have emotion whilst trying to remember what he did to her,sheeeeeeeesh!
I hope people don’t base their opinion on Misty solely on the results of these lie detector tests. Please google lie detector tests and see how totally unreliable they are.
I posted an articLe taken from google on an earlier thread a few days back and I was incredulous the information I read.I do have a question..Why do we always hear being someone failing one but basically never hear about someone passing one? We don’t know (or I don’t) who has actually took one in this case besides Misty, Ron, Tommy, and maybe Joe (which couLd be rumor). I have to wonder why Misty’s results are broadcast but yet no one else’s is. Ron claimed he passed, but has that ever been verified? You see there is so much confusion even in this one aspect of the case, and I believe that if LE is basing their whole investigation and the suspects on these tests, then this case will eventually turn cold and the perpertrator will never face justice. But then that’s okay according to some because the irony of it all is Ron, Misty, and Tommy will spend quite a lengthy sentence for selling some pills. Just tell me how this spells justice for Haleigh? Justice for Haleigh only will come when someone is charged with this crime and sentenced accordingly.
an abused woman don’t hesitate believe me,they sure as hell don’t act normal while they tell it!
that woman imho was paid to say it,if he did that to her,believe me it would have been alot different watching her tell the story…..I KNOW!
YET I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION BUT I WILL NEVER BUY INTO IT,THEY ALL KNEW CASEY DID IT AND THEY’LL FRY ANYONE ELSES CHILD,EVEN jESSIES MOMS CHILD,FOR IT AS LONG AS ITS NOT CASEY!
Sorry again,caps grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I would agree Robin,dunno why they don’t tell rons results,or even mention it,all i know is they are lying and they had custoidy so……….one day i believe them,next i don’t,nesxt i kinda do,next i kinda don’t,lol its a hard one! but if theyd tell the truth it might be different!
Robin,sometimes i think ron is the prime suspect but they need misty to tell what she knows,I dont want him to be guilty,Lord i don’t at all but it seems all too fishy now,he’s gonna kill somebody,then he’s only disappointed!
I know that i have judged them by actions but if they’d tell the truth we might see it different!
theres a reason for the bond they have imho now!
With 2 days until they go to court you would think something is about to break? Tommy has to be under tremendous pressure. Court, failing the LDT, and now Lindsy is divorcing him and he wont be seing the kids for a long time. And Misty should be feeling guilt if she is causing Tommy to lose his wife and kids over something she knows about but wont say.jmo
IMO Monster was created. She is who her mother raised her to be and CA does need to be held accountable IMO.
I hold both accountable.because cindy was an enabler in the worst way,she knew but turned a blind eye! if she’d punished casey when she did wrong……..things would be diff but sometimes i hold cindy more accountable!
you can’t always say yes!
casey was used to being right and getting what she wanted!
and i blame cindy for making her keep a child she didn’t want to begin with! she forced her to raise Caylee knowing she was young and wanted a lif of her own!
I can’t wait Tobias,BOMBSHELL!
Leave out the shell,lets just have a bomb! lol
I see the board bullies have pushed jan57 off the board..thats a shame,
shes a voice of reason!
Not me. jmo
CathyJo63 said,in May 11th, 2010 at 12:23 pm I know that i have judged them by actions but if they’d tell the truth we might see it different!
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The truth would of been nice from day one from everyone (both sides) in HaLeigh’s family and Misty.
I have held to the opinion that Misty did not and still does not know what happened to HaLeigh, but, did and does have a idea who did take HaLeigh from her bed.
It is also my opinion that Misty has not been nor will she be the key to solving the case.
CathyJo63 said,in May 11th, 2010 at 12:32 pm and i blame cindy for making her keep a child she didn’t want to begin with! she forced her to raise Caylee knowing she was young and wanted a lif of her own!
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I agree 100%!!!!! This is why Casey is where she is today!!!!
Simon ~ great post. on the subject of the mob, i completely agree with you. my great-grandfather was in with al capone, back in the day, and i have been studying the mob with great interest for many, many years.
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people say what they will about the mob “families”, however, they went by a very specific code. it was a code of respect. “no women, no children”…ever!
they protected their own, if one in the family was “preyed upon”, (for lack of a better phrase), it was considered that the entire family was preyed upon. an eye for an eye, basically.
recently the gambino crime family has been in the news, as they have greatly deviated from the original “code” of mafia. there have been many charges against them due to the sale and distribution of hard drugs, and for prostitution. back in the day, the agreement within all of the families, was never to involve themselves in either. the mob made its way, in the beginning, with gambling and liquor. the prohibition era was the ticket, as the mob controlled the distribution of liquor to all of the speakeasys.
the mob doesn’t carry the weight that it once did across the united states. with the conviction of mob boss john gotti,and the subsequent sweep across the boards by the fbi, the mob gradually all but died out, as far as a power to be reckoned with.
i have to say though, unlike the street gangs that reign terror down on everyone, the mafia operated with a specific agenda, within their own. and simon is quite right, a child would have never gone this way under their watchful eye.
Heck we dont even know for sure that Haleigh was even in her bed. We have been led down the Misty trail of lies and blame games from the very beginning. She has not told the truth about anything and is still making up stories. Lindsy and Tommy even pointed out its a new lie every week with her. I believe she knows everything and is absolutely the key to what happened to Haleigh. jmo
exactly right TexMom!
Beast said,in May 11th, 2010 at 6:52 am Jan57
One of My snotty nose kids???????
Watch it lady dont make this personal you will regret it
Hm,I see what you mean now OJ,But i don’t think Jan would let that do it,lol
Thats a personal attack tho,i agree!
she wasn’t saying Beasts kids were snotty nosed,i think she was saying,maybe because some kids have less than others they’re not cared about! sorta! for lack of not knowing how to say it!
I guess it ain’t over till it’s over….
re: casry anthony
i watched the news coverage yesterday, and was sickened by the image of her CRYING there at the defense table, next to baez. i truly do not recall tears from her, throughout this long ordeal. how disgusting to watch the only real tears i’ve ever seen her cry, and she was crying for herself! crying because the judge was not buying that the prosecution was biased to her, regarding the death penalty, since she is a woman…
I do too Tobias and she was the baby sitter that night? babysitters don’t lose kids and then wonder why they’re questioned!
I didn’t realize that Donna B had gone for a bond reduction and it was denied.
*casey
Bingo Tough…………..exactly right!
All her tears are for her!
They said she whispered to SINdy “Happy Mothers Day,I love You”
shesssssssssh!
what does she need now from them?
They molested her,Bozo was a better dad,lol
though i don’t blame her if she was molested and i sometimes think she was!!!!! by g and l! both! jmo
but say all that and then whisper I love you,like its all fine and dandy!
cathyjo ~ right? oh brother… 😉
My favorite thing about public opinion was the undertakers wife,she asked Cindy,why do you lie,you lie……..you know you say that,then why did u say it for…….lol
I coulda kissed that ole lady!
and everyone wonders how casey got to be the way she is…people who commit crimes don’t always have the parents to blame, in many cases the parents did right by them, and they somehow left that path. but in casey’s case, i think it was a lifetime in the making to create this socio-path. and the lying and covering-up seems to come directly from cindy.
tragic, tragic story.
never mind if its true or not but if i related my Grandbabys decomp to pizzaa,I am sorry but i couldn’t even say the dang word ever again,they’d sit and eat them,even LP said he got mad when Lee told him he ordered them but then he found out the people outside their dang house ordered them,he said he told Lee,just wait till you bite into stricnine or whatever its called,lol
it was Tough,cindy made her that way and she should serve time for taking caseys life and Caylee’s!
and believe me i still don’t condone casey,never will but just sayin,i see what i see!
IMO The “unknown” abductor after 15 months of getting away with it and LE focusing on Misty it is possible they just might get careless and let thier gaurd down eventually and then the truth might finally be revealed. I feel the Satsuma 5 will be found to be just drug dealers and users after all and not guilty of HaLeighs abduction or demise. A very heartbreaking cure for their addictions IMO and a valuable leason for our young parents out there struggeling with addictions and from poor choices.
when women don’t want to keep their kids theres a reason! somewhere!
no way would i make my daughter keep a child she didn’t want!even if i had to raise it for her!
bbl,sorry guys gotta run,lol
right, cathyjo~
i don’t condone it at all, and i don’t mean that casey shouldn’t pay for her actions. just saying i can now see how she got that way. but once she got that way, and acted out on her psychosis, she is completely responsible for what she did…
CathyJo63 said,in May 11th, 2010 at 12:54 pm Beast said,in May 11th, 2010 at 6:52 am Jan57
One of My snotty nose kids???????
Watch it lady dont make this personal you will regret it
Hm,I see what you mean now OJ,But i don’t think Jan would let that do it,lol
Thats a personal attack tho,i agree!
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WRONG!! c-a originaly made the
snotty nose” remake at 6:07..
jan57 responded to c-a about the
snot nose” at 6:40..
then “beast” at 6:52 attacked jan57 for calling her kid “snot nose”, which she did not!
So..either ‘beast’ is terribly confused or ‘beast’ and c-a are the same person.
CathyJo63 said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
and i blame cindy for making her keep a child she didn’t want to begin with! she forced her to raise Caylee knowing she was young and wanted a lif of her own!
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Casey was an adult when she had Caylee, no one ‘forced’ her to do anything..at any time she could have turned to DCF and said I can’t take care of my child anymore..Plus FL has safe harbor laws and she could have left Caylee in one of the ‘safe places’, no questions asked.
OJ – Been reading here for years but not posting. Beast and C~A are bloggers from the past….husband and wife from what I remember. Have a lot of kids and live in Canada if I remember correctly. Seems like they got banned from here a long time ago…there were a bunch of people that left….some uproar about someone named Pickles and someone named PaPa….it was ugly to watch. I guess Simon and Jan let them come back. I’ve never blogged with them but I’m a little gunshy of them because I watched the ugliness from a long time ago. Just be careful is all I can say. I’m in NO way saying they are bad folks. Could be the nicest couple you’d ever meet. IDK. Just watched a lot of ugliness in the past is all I’m saying.
Casey could of and might of done those things Vaquera if she had not had Cindy in the picture.
vaquera…Casey was an adult but still living with her folks, didn’t have a job once Caylee was born, and certainly didn’t have control of her life. Cindy did. I’m not excusing Casey by ANY stretch of the imagination. But if you sent a team of psychologist and psychiatrists into study this family they would probably come up with some new psychology terms because these people take dysfuntional to a whole new level. Cindy is a control freak. Made her husband quit the job he loved, kept Casey under her thumb, ran everyone’s life, but TOTALLY overlooked Casey’s behaviors such as the lying, drug use, wanting to give Caylee up for adoption, her stealing, etc. There were NEVER consequences for her behaviors and I truly believe that Casey thought the WORLD would belive her lies because by all appearances her family always did. Now, while they certainly didn’t believe her lies all the time, there were never consequences for the lies and behaviors. Casey truly thought LE would buy her lie about the nanny, her job, everything. Afterall, it had always been so easy to get away with it with Cindy and Geo. Is Casey a monster? Yes she is! But she learned from the best IMVHO. Cindy!
The only ones who can deal somewhat with their sentence is Misty, Ron, & Donna.
Tommy has nothing to deal with. The supporting affidavit that details his arrest clearly states that his gram weight of sale is confined to the 3 year min. mand. sentence. The only way Tommy could possibly get a lighter sentence is if they ask him to roll on a. mega drug dealer or b. gives critical info about Haleigh.
We know he has given info about Haleigh via his attorney, but we don’t know how critical it is. All we know is things have been sent for testing, that would take a couple weeks and now silence. Tommy’s sentence is going to be so soft compared to all the others. As bad as some don’t want to hear it, with his time served and serving 85% of his sentence – he will be OUT in a little over 2 years.
Hope and Donna have nothing to tell about Haliegh. They are nothing but drug addicts caught up in the sting and they will do their time.
That brings us to Ron and Misty. The possibility of them each doing life sentences with their accumulative charges added up is very real. LE is saying the child is more than likely dead and are calling this a homicide – not an accident of some sort, which quickly brings to mind the death penalty or a life sentence without parole. Now the drug charges if run concurrent begin to look like a sweet deal compared to the truth in the eyes of the guilty party – if they are even guilty.
A lot of people on the blog have invested a lot of heart felt time in this case, so don’t set yourself up to be too disappointed when sentences are handed down and they are lighter than what you thought.
interesting..thanks
Random, I havent gone there and wont be surprised at all. If they dont talk I see mega sentences for the 2 and I am not sure what Tommy will get, just waiting to see on that one. jmo
The weak minded never fight back or run.
Dont forget Tommy is up for other charges besides the drugs. Those have been add ons I believe. jmo
texasmommy39 said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Casey could of and might of done those things Vaquera if she had not had Cindy in the picture.
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maybe, maybe not. 😉
OJ – I guess you were talking to me! LOL If so, you are welcome. I even thought that Beast had created his own blog or website or something and had thumbed his nose at Jan and Simon. But, maybe they’ve turned over a new leaf and are ready to play nice…..but I think I’ll just hide and watch when they come around. LOL I’m a skeeerdy cat with those two! LOL 😯
JB said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
vaquera…Casey was an adult but still living with her folks, didn’t have a job once Caylee was born, and certainly didn’t have control of her life. Cindy did. I’m not excusing Casey by ANY stretch of the imagination. But if you sent a team of psychologist and psychiatrists into study this family they would probably come up with some new psychology terms because these people take dysfuntional to a whole new level. Cindy is a control freak. Made her husband quit the job he loved, kept Casey under her thumb, ran everyone’s life, but TOTALLY overlooked Casey’s behaviors such as the lying, drug use, wanting to give Caylee up for adoption, her stealing, etc. There were NEVER consequences for her behaviors and I truly believe that Casey thought the WORLD would belive her lies because by all appearances her family always did. Now, while they certainly didn’t believe her lies all the time, there were never consequences for the lies and behaviors. Casey truly thought LE would buy her lie about the nanny, her job, everything. Afterall, it had always been so easy to get away with it with Cindy and Geo. Is Casey a monster? Yes she is! But she learned from the best IMVHO. Cindy!
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I have no doubt Cindy was and still is a major control freak but Casey did have a good job that she quit when she got pregnant and could have just taken maternity leave.If her mother was so controlling why didn’t she move out? that is what most people would do.. after you reach a certain point in life it’s your life to live how you want or not want to live it..You can either be like your monsther(lol,spelled mother wrong thinking monster/mother so I will leave it) or you can do whatever to change it the situation..
catch ya’ll later..work awaits. 🙂
toughcookie said,in May 11th, 2010 at 1:19 pm right, cathyjo~
i don’t condone it at all, and i don’t mean that casey shouldn’t pay for her actions. just saying i can now see how she got that way. but once she got that way, and acted out on her psychosis, she is completely responsible for what she did…
Agreed and it is so sad!
Ohhh OJ,I see what ya mean! thats still not very nice!either way!
Vaq,she tried to adopt Caylee to someone and Cindy said,no way!
Right JB,they said you will regret it,thats a threat to me to do physical harm!
Right JB,they said you will regret it,thats a threat to me to do physical harm!
Tommy does have other charges. The ones that happened before his arrest have been dropped to misdemeanors. His new charges for stealing from the neighbors, he said in a jail house video, he plans to take that to trial because other adults were living in the home as well and had just as much opportunity to do the deed as he did.
Years ago, I invested a lot of time and energy in the Ramsey case and I really thought there would be some resolution but it is the ultimate poster case for disappointment. This case has only been ongoing for right over a year. JonBenet died in 96 and I was still sitting at my keyboard – daily – in 2002. And then I stopped and vowed never again to become so attached.
When it comes to children we become very passionate for justice. It’s the empath coming out in all of us who seek righteousness. Nothing wrong with it.
This is probably terrible to say because Casey in only charged with killing her daughter and not convincted but her case no longer interests me.
In my mind, Casey is a dead woman walking and the rest is now formailties.
Random, My thoughts too on Casey, she is gone more or less. To me she should have asked for the death penilty rather than live in PC in prison for the est of her life. jmo
Someone normal would Vaq,but cindy controlled her,paid her bills,she had it made………bbs
I agree with ya, tobias!
Random Thoughts said,in May 11th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
LE is saying the child is more than likely dead and are calling this a homicide – not an accident of some sort, which quickly brings to mind the death penalty or a life sentence without parole.*******Snipped by me.
NOT an accident!
This is the point that needs to be understood if this is the direction LE are now investigating this case.
The POI have not been named, but, to my understanding will be more than one or even two and the possibility it is more than a handful is real.
So an accident is not the case and many are involved and Misty is the key.
The actual crime scene was not the trailer nor within any of the search areas near the trailer that have been covered. So Where does that lead us?
tobias,
I have felt that way since the day the baby was found.
Well, for whatever reason, I guess I’m still drawn to the Casey case. I just want to follow through and hear those words “GUILTY”. This was the first case I really followed on line. I didn’t blog but I read everything I could find about the case. It was hypnotising. Then little Haleigh came along and for some reason I jumped in and started blogging. (I’m sure everyone wishes I would have remained a spectator) ROFLMAO
Cathyjo – Yup, Casey had it made. She wasn’t forced out of the nest…she was enabled which prevented her from facing adulthood and maturing. Cindy should be sitting in a jail cell next to her freakazoid child IMHO!
Random – Not terrible to say at all! Justice is just around the corner for Caylee! I understand what you’re saying. But just like you hung onto the Ramsey case….for some strange reason, I’m hanging onto the Anthony case. LOL
What the heck is going on? No updates from LE regarding Haleigh! Simon, I know if you had heard anything you could share you would of…it is so sad that Haleigh’s case didn’t get the attention that Caylee got. Is it because Haleigh came from poverty level? It should not matter. I am sick of Casey and all the media whore attorney’s that inserted themself in the case. Why are there no attorney’s fighting for Haleigh? State Attorney Ashton is doing a hell of a job seeking justice for Caylee. I wish he would be able to take over the Haleigh case. Kudos to Ashton! It is heart breaking that here we are over a year later and nothing…all LE has is a bunch of junkies in jail and that is no bomb shell…they are low lifes junkies now and then.
Where is Haleigh????
PC is keeping Ron’s audios, that to really bugs the heck out me!
Rant over…sorry.
Thank You so much Simon and Jan for keeping us updated on the Haleigh case and caring!
Istarted by following Hassani Campbell and came across Halieghs name . Poor Hassani may never get found or justice which is sad. jmo
Casey was just too lazy to get a job and move out. She was too lazy to finish high school too. I realize having a child makes it more difficult to move out, but she could have found a roommate or something. Lots of women have made it without depending on their parents for total support.
Had she been more responsible maybe Cindy wouldn’t have been so controlling and she may have helped her if Casey had made an effort to help herself. Cindy was taking care of George too so she had her hands full. Lee was raised by the same parents and moved out (for a while).
I definately think casey is where she belongs but i don’t agree with the death penalty for HER because she needs to wake up every single day to the beautiful life she traded her daughter for along with cindy!
The one person who would always love her more than any man would!
Lady,I had my dtr at 16,at 15 i was told to get out……….forced to marry,didn’t have a choice at all but i still raised her and grew up fast because i had too for her!it can be done,i am only saying cindy should have allowed casey to give the child up knowing she didn’t want it! orrrrrrrrrrr raised Caylee herself as she basically did anyway!
Jan57:
Are you ok? Please let us know how you are doing. There are quite a few of us concerned about you!
i for one, do not understand people, complete stranger’s, feelings of entitlement in haleigh’s case.
we are spectators at best. the only ones that are “entitled” to info in the case, are the actual families themselves, and even they are not privvy to all of the information that LE has on their very own daughter/granddaughter, etc.’s case.
i know that the public has been drawn in for these 15 months, and all are anxious for the guilty party/parties to be found, and convicted. however, we cannot rush this process. and i am glad to see, that for once, LE is taking their time. they are not foolishly rushing to the finish line, simply to name someone (anyone) for this homicide. they are playing things close to the vest, and as a result, when they do put their finger on whoever is responsible, they won’t have any problems making the charges stick.
there have been many a mistrial because LE have rushed the case. and besides, LE isn’t perfect all the time, but in this case, they are no dummies. they know plenty of which they are not revealing to the public. that’s a good thing! better they err on the side of caution, then blow the whole thing wide open and watch it escape them in the blink of an eye.
jmo
me too JB,To hear guilty,i was there from day one !
bbs again,lol
I like Jan57s’ posts as well!
I hope she doesn’t let someone run her off,
bbs really this time!
i certainly hope *jan57* was not “scared off” by anything here. somehow, i doubt it. she, like me, is a *tough cookie”. 🙂
Cathy… earlier today there was a cat fight down the street from my Mother’s house. I had to get a close-up… I have never seen grown women rolling around in the middle of the street, before. First, the hair-pieces came out/off, then a T-shirt was ripped off. I’m still chuckling at the thought of the heavy-set chick rolling around with the twiggy one.
Oj
No, C~A and I are married 🙂
Sad thing is BA it was probably over some worthless guy two timing them.jmo
Tobias… it was more than that. 1st started with 10 chicks screaming obscenities outside the girl’s house. These 10 came for a rumble.
Sounds crazy BA women arent what they used to be thats for sure. Guess we cant call these LADIES. I hope the cops showed up and tazed the whole bunch of em. LOL JMO
I am surprised we dont have any tapes from Misty in this time frame. We know Hank was talking with her and telling her not to protect Ron and Lindsy sounded like she was going to go visit too. We have never seen that before and I wonder why? Lindsy said she has but doesnt like being fake, whatever that means. jmo
things sure aren’t the way they used to be…i think these days we suffer from a lack of “civilization”…lol
can you imagine a bunch of women from the ’50’s, in their nicely pressed and starched dresses, pantyhose, heels & purses, rolling in the street, ripping off one another’s tiny hats??? ripping apart all of their hairdresser’s hard work (which they normally wore around for a week at a time)??
oh my goodness…lol 😉
Goodnight all, seems everyone has taken a break since there is no new news.
OMG Adams,another one bit the dust? lol gosh i’d have been screaming my head off,lol
fights tear me up.used to they didn’t bother me but now i can’t take it,lol nerves.
Quote:tobias said,in May 11th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
I am wondering if Misty’s jail visits stopped when Hank Sr. and Lisa were put on probation? Not sure about the calls home either. It is strange that Lindsey told Tommy that they were not taking anyone’s calls except for grandma Hollars.
Now that Lindsey has filed for divorce I doubt she is visiting him at the jail or accepting his calls. But who knows…Maybe she just filed for divorce so that she can collect from the state for the children.
As for Ron, well Simon even said it. He has tried to get Putnam jail to hand over the audios and they refuse. Say there is nothing worth listening to…something to that effect or that they don’t have any. Not sure exactly how Simon explained it, but bottom line is that he did try and get Ron’s audio/video/jail calls/ and it was a not go.
I also would like to know what was said after Grandma Hollars did her week of airing out the families dirt laundry. I would love to know what Tommy and Misty had to say about that.
Quote:toughcookie said,in May 11th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
The public was brought into this case..LE asked for the publics help with information regarding Haleigh, Misty and all the players. They did not allow the public to help search after the second week..which I found odd!!!! Never has there been a missing person case where LE will not allow the family nor the public to search for the child. Never! Red Flag right there.
So yes, IMO the public has the right to know what is going on. Not only because LE inserted the public, but because we care. We may not be related to Haleigh but we have fallen in love with her and we care. We want justice!
Toughcookie–I love your 3:39 post. No truer words have been spoken. I don’t want to revisit this case years later, because they rushed to get a conviction and the wrong person was charged. I am in no rush for justice because I would like for them to get it right the first time around–no ifs,ands, or buts–no matter how long it takes.
Madge,I agree,we deserve to know too,we have been here as long or moreso than family!
I agree with both of you Robin and Madge! rather be safe than sorry later! I’d say they learned a few things after the Caylee case!
and not to mention destroying evidence by family members as the A’s did! obviously!imo
thanks *robin* i feel very strongly about that too! 🙂
robin said,in May 11th, 2010 at 5:29 pm Toughcookie–I love your 3:39 post. No truer words have been spoken. I don’t want to revisit this case years later, because they rushed to get a conviction and the wrong person was charged. I am in no rush for justice because I would like for them to get it right the first time around–no ifs,ands, or buts–no matter how long it takes.
Crazy me meant,I agree toughcookie too! lol
15 months and no arrests. The best that could be said about PCSO is that they have been outwitted and outsmarted by some of the world’s dumbest criminals. Or they’ve been looking in the wrong direction this whole time. Time for Putnam County to bring in some real detectives to get to the bottom of this case. Haleigh deserves better.
seems that way don’t it me?
me you know they have been looking all along in the wong direction,but, feel IMO SH statement of many POI have been identified after he calls the case a homicide, gives me pause and hope that the elusive guilty are soon to be charged.
lets hope so TexMom!
Hey guys,
i read often but dont post 2 much anymore…what was said to Jan57 is a prime example of why.I hope Ron finally gets tangled in his own web of deceit. The 911 call and his actions of blowin the whistle on Donna Brock,in N.Y tellin Misty what was goin on.Another thing he defended her in anyway he could,even married her..IDK i just hpoe LE has noted all his un-explainable behavior…to find the 3 muskrats GUILTY…misty,tommy,n ron
humbled,
Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Donna is/was scum and had no business dealing in drugs with a child younger than her own. I hope she gets what she deserves.
TM39,
A few weeks ago it looked like PCSO might be close to solving the case, but as per usual, they are all talk and no action. They should not be relying on some druggie telling them the “truth” some day….they should be investigating.
They really need some experienced detectives to take over from this sorry lot. How long will it take before a fresh team are allowed to re-examine the case?
Evening all!
Texasm,
I just want to say in your behalf that yes I think it could be possible about the other side of the family. Unless LE comes up with some really good evidence that Haleigh is deceased and evidence to show who did it, anything seems possible at this point.
I was reading the PCSO site and there was something about a bid for an inmate visitation video equipment system. I forget the deadline on the bid, but was wondering if that would afford us the ability to see Ronalds visits.
I wonder if Adam Walsh’s parents ever felt total closure for his young life, if I’m correct didn’t they wait until the man they thought to be Adam’s murderer died in Prison never knowing for sure if he was the one to
take little Adam’s life.
I wish Jan57 would come back,I dunno why she got harassed anyway,its our opinions,I don’t always agree with her either but its the diff opinions that make it a discussion,lol
Simon, do you know what is going on with the so called tattoo that is on Chelsea’s foot with Haleigh’s name on it? TIA
I don’t know how we can add pic’s here and I try to email Simon and for some reason I cant’ through the link provided. Wish there was another way to contact him or Jan. There is a picture on the net. It is said that it’s a tattoo on Chelsea’s foot. It says Haleigh on it. If it were on her foot, why would she put it there? Is there more to Chelsea and Ron? Is there more that Chelsea knows? I find it odd that she would put a tat on her foot of a child she only knew for about 4 months. Thanks..
Quote:toughcookie said,in May 11th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
I agree 100% that LE should take their time and get it right the first time.
However, IMO I feel LE has made many mistakes already. JMO. I feel the FBI and real LE should of taken over this case a long time ago. Putnam is a small town, seems the players are close to some of LE and I fing that there is some conflict there. JMO
Cathy she was on eariler this morning did you read this moring ?
CathyJo63 said,in May 11th, 2010 at 6:15 pm I wish Jan57 would come back,I dunno why she got harassed anyway,its our opinions,I don’t always agree with her either but its the diff opinions that make it a discussion,lol
OMG,ALL the time either i meant to say,glad i JUST caught that! shewwwwwwwww
I am sure Jan57 is alright. She was up late(early) and has a life as well. No one here has the answers and if one of us did we would not be blogging it,but, placing a call.
It has been very quiet indeed me, but, do not let that fool you, IMO, PCSO has seen the truths ugly head and intend on making sure that it can be thoroughly ferreted out and the guilty all charged and justice for HaLeigh.
I’m sorry Cathy it was Jan57 on this morning.
It is said that this tattoo is on Chelsea’s foot. It says Haleigh, with a picture of an angel..
I’m gonna shut up you were talking about Jan57.
chelsea has a tatoo of Haleigh,what the hecks up with all these tatoos?
Mad I wonder why she would get a tatoo of Haliegh. do you have the link?
Linda,don’t shut up,lol
ty Linda and TexMom!
*madjgnlaw* ~ yes, i understand your frustration…the fbi cannot get involved unless it is something that violates united states criminal law, (as in something to do with it going through a computer, wiretapping,mail & a host of other things), or if a crime has taken place across state lines. so as much as this case might benefit from it happening, i don’t see that it would qualify, unfortunately.
Cathy would you please type in you broswer Chelsea croslin tatoo of haliegh and read what comes up.
yes i will ty Linda brb
OKAYYYYY WAIT.HOL;D UP HERE……….
WTH????????????? SHES NOT RELATED TO HALEIGH????????
WTH gets a tatoo of somebody elses child,that is rediculous,I am sorry!
and why the foot? was it sposed to be a secret or sommin,oboyyyyyyyy
thats the tattooinist bunch of crazies i have ever not had the pleasure of meeting!
O/T: How heart breaking!
ksl.com – Body of missing 4-year-old found; mother and stepfather … charged with aggravated homicide
May 11, 2010 … http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10728945
They have been charged with aggravated homicide, felony child abuse … UPDATE: At 5 p.m. investigators discovered the body of 4-year-old Ethan Stacy at the Ogden Valley site. … Police say the boy has no history of mental illness. … 2010 ksl.com | KSL Broadcasting Salt Lake City UT | Site hosted …
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10728945
not meeting!
its not coming up even google,i typed it as you said,lol
lol *cathyjo* you crack me up! 🙂
I’m so screwed up today….went searching for news and I ran right smack dab into my butt.
lol tough,but i swear to God,i didn’t think that it could get any crazier!
I am shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as it has been, in this case…
just when you least expect it>>>>>EXPECT IT!!!
lol
Gid i bet Linda,now i know i ain’t gotta chance of being normal,this is confusing me big time,no joke though,wth gets a tattoo of somebody elses child,not even related to em!
They have all deep fried their brains!
aint that the gospel Tough!
Makes me wanna be like the 3 stooges,clunk some brainless heads together!
I have heard some off the wall stuff but if that don’t take the cake nothing will!
that is so dumb,i am sorry guys but i cant grasp this,I CAN’T!
BAD ENOUGH RON GOT tERESA ON HIS CHEST BUT I SWEAR TO gOD THIS IS WORSE!
Sorry caps,lol
I just don’t understand just about anything any more.
Are we gonna get an update about that tatoo ? I can’t find anything.
how can we Linda,I swear to God they’re gonna be the death of all of us! Shock treatments,padded rooms….white coats…..
me either Linda!
thinking about the most recent events re: the drug case, and all involved, i’m wondering if this might be one of the last strategies that LE has with these people who are somehow involved in haleigh’s case.
i think most seem to agree that even though the drug arrest was, most definitely,something to give LE some leverage…(they were drug dealers already…if they hadn’t been the sting would’ve never worked on them)they will be sentenced, and the sentencing is serious time! what i’m wondering is, if nobody talks, nobody gives up any info before their plea & sentencing,has LE lost their most effective bargaining chip?
to my way of thinking, once they are down…they are down. i can’t see anyone wanting to spill the beans once they are already locked up for 25 yrs. or so. at least with 25 yrs they have a chance of seeing daylight again, but if they were to tell what really happened with haleigh, they would never get back out, and for someone, it may be a DP.
jmo
i still can’t Linda,did you find it yet?
I could always find anything! lol think they’ve all got to me too,drain bamaged me!
well i’m going just in a while if I don’t settle down.
they said more arrests coming too didn’t they?
Yeah what I found good old bald Art in the wake of it.
more arrests *cathyjo* ? really ?
I mean I am glad if someone just wanted a tattoo of her,For Haleigh but it ain’t rational to me imo to go out and get a childs name on you if it aint yours nor even related,thats dumb!!
toughcookie said,in May 11th, 2010 at 6:38 pm *madjgnlaw* ~ yes, i understand your frustration…the fbi cannot get involved unless it is something that violates united states criminal law, (as in something to do with it going through a computer, wiretapping,mail & a host of other things), or if a crime has taken place across state lines. so as much as this case might benefit from it happening, i don’t see that it would qualify, unfortunately.
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The Florida Department of Law Enforcement’s (FDLE) Child Abduction Response Team (CART) and the FBI’s Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) teams were involved with this case within the first 24 hours and some still are involved. It has not been only the Putman County Sheriff’s Office (PCSO) involved in this investigation.
toughcookie said,in May 11th, 2010 at 6:38 pm *madjgnlaw* ~ yes, i understand your frustration…the fbi cannot get involved unless it is something that violates united states criminal law, (as in something to do with it going through a computer, wiretapping,mail & a host of other things), or if a crime has taken place across state lines. so as much as this case might benefit from it happening, i don’t see that it would qualify, unfortunately.
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The Florida Department of Law Enforcement’s (FDLE) Child Abduction Response Team (CART) and the FBI’s Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) teams were involved with this case within the first 24 hours and some still are involved. It has not been only the Putman County Sheriff’s Office (PCSO) involved in this investigation.
I think so I can’t keep tring to keep up with Caylee and Haleigh both my brain has to put one on the back burner. I guess it will be Caylee for a bit her Mom is where its at.
more arrests *cathyjo* ? really ?
ofcourse,Linda,lol
oops…now i’m catching the craziness..lol
sorry for the double post!
Tough,after the last search i tthought?? they did??
Tough,after the last search i tthought?? they did??
Chelsea Croslin, like Lindsey, also appears to have acquired specific knowledge as to key events surrounding Haleigh Cummings’ presumed death. While news to police and a captivated public, the location on the St. John’s river where Tommy may have indicated Haleigh’s body was disposed- site of an extensive search last week- apparently was not news to Tommy’s sister-in-law Chelsea Croslin. According to Padilla, Chelsea suggested March 14 that the same area be searched and even helpfully drew him a map! And Chelsea now claims she had been suggesting that same search location to police ever since Haleigh disappeared. Her reason for suggesting a search of that area allegedly related to its familiarity to Croslin family scapegoat Joe Overstreet. But two months ago, another motive sufaced. Chelsea allegedly received a heretofore secret letter from Misty Croslin Cummings identifying the site as the place cousin Joe dumped Haleigh’s body.
So all along Chelsea was pointing to what is now believed to be the location of Haleigh Cummings’ body. And what of her sister-in-law Lindsey?
*acey* the child abduction unit of the fbi will come in at the beginning for the specific reason that IF an abduction occured over state lines, it would be in their scope of investigation to handle it. the fbi is never routinely involved in anything that doesn’t have to do with federal law. only in cases that violate federal law, or transpire (or where the suspect has transpired) over state lines.
this info is easily found anywhere on the internet.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2909950/lindsey_and_chelsea_croslin_missing.html?cat=17
JB said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
OJ – Been reading here for years but not posting. Beast and C~A are bloggers from the past….husband and wife from what I remember. Have a lot of kids and live in Canada if I remember correctly. Seems like they got banned from here a long time ago…there were a bunch of people that left….some uproar about someone named Pickles and someone named PaPa….it was ugly to watch. I guess Simon and Jan let them come back. I’ve never blogged with them but I’m a little gunshy of them because I watched the ugliness from a long time ago. Just be careful is all I can say. I’m in NO way saying they are bad folks. Could be the nicest couple you’d ever meet. IDK. Just watched a lot of ugliness in the past is all I’m saying.
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JB I have gone to great lengths not bring up the past of my experience in this room but you have so I feel I must correct you on the issue we left/banned ..all at the same time, without going into detail out of respect for jan and simon who after some time have reflected and allowed us to post again.
so here it goes since you brought it up..
I came into this blog summer 08…BNN family was HUGE after no time united in our love for poor caylee and the justice we all seeked for her.
BNN WAS MY FAMILY…I played a huge part as did Beast who even wrote for BNN for a while.
PICKLES…was a huge influence on the blog and was on everyday..don’t know where she is now..I considered her a very close “blog family member”.
We endured so much together and I DO NOT regeret one post or one friendship. IT WAS NOT PICKLES THAT CAUSE THE UGLINESS ( at first) and yes your right it got ugly…IT WAS ANOTHER CASE THAT WAS THE CAUSE …and that is all I will say about that out of respect to Jan and Simon.
Papa was also a very very highly respected part of the blog. It did all fall apart but not because of them.
Beast and I are married …YES…we have been fighting for justice for caylee everyday..and that’s no word of a lie..since day one..every court hearing, every article every defense or state move..we know about it.
It is with great gratitude that I am back at “home” with the ability to let the water under the bridge be just that. This was my very first blog. Coming back should only prove that all involved have one thing in common..JUSTICE FOR THE CHILDREN..That is the passion we love and “fight” with..
OJ…reminds me of a blogger named DAK..Dak was irritating and obnoxious and would say CASEY IS INNOCENT…he did grow on me as you all say OJ would…so some things don’t change although I see a change in the way “new comers” seem to be ignored. I guess with out knowing we were here two years ago anyone would see us as newbies…but that is the last thing from the truth.
Did I say I wouldn’t go into too much detail? LOL
Sorry, but as I said, I really wanted to keep the past in the past but we are NOT UGLY..and we ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON.
Simon and Jan can tell you that!
JB …DONT’BE GUN SHY…we arent’ any more “opinionated then oj”..and he is accepted here with his less then popular belief. Although he is entitled to his opinion and I realize that.
Instigations as a reply or antagonizing someone for replying to a post is IMO just not necessary. That kind of behaviour does not serve any purpose.
We stand our ground as all do…makes us no different then any other poster..
JUSTICE FOR THE BABIES…AND MY THANKS TO JAN AND SIMON FOR TAKING THE HIGH ROAD IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE.
I’m not sure who got the tat,but to me,that’s very suspicious and if it’s found out a family member killed a child,WTH.To me if you get a tat of someone,not a family member,not your own child,it’s either to make people believe you have nothing to do with it or quilt.KWIM It’s just another,”what is wrong with these people” question.
I remember on Timmy’s best friend’s myspace,they were getting tats in memory of him.So,is this telling us something here?
This situation is as tiresome as they come. If it weren’t for the fact that I truly believe Haleigh is still alive I wouldn’t even pay attention to it anymore. (Much like the Madeleine McCann situation in England).
Myself, I want to see an Elizabeth Smart-type of ending to this thing.
I still wanna hang on to Haleigh being alive some where.
CA,
Even i can be annoying i am sure!
OJ…reminds me of a blogger named DAK..Dak was irritating and obnoxious and would say CASEY IS INNOCENT…he did grow on me as you all say OJ would…so some things don’t change although I see a change in the way “new comers” seem to be ignored. I guess with out knowing we were here two years ago anyone would see us as newbies…but that is the last thing from the truth
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He’s not irritating in the way you make it sound,its just more disagree than agree with him is all.
i can be annoying i am sure! newcomers arent ignored and if they are its not because they’re new,
But i am almost certain they said there’d be more arrests after the meeting when everyone said LE told ron to plan a funeral,which i don’t even know if thats true,lol ya know!
After a half a day I still don’t see anymore offered up about the ex cop who has Haleigh?
Such a small pool of people who fit the crtieria: ex cop, retired, lost his daughter in the past. Was given this child a make up.
With all the specific info, why don’t we have a name?
cathy…thanks for the reply..however..Oj is obnoxious with copy and pasting…same exact post on top of instigating calling names..that’s my definition of annoying I see yours is different. He is annoying for those reasons and that’s my opinion so telling he is not in the way I say is telling me my opinion is not valid. WRONG.
I posted the fact I was here and posting for many posts and nobody welcomed me…like I said, things have changed and some haven’t but when I was here as a BNN family member…it was a nano second when a newbie came into the room that they were WELCOMED!!!! JMO
right Rose,its plain ole dumb! Its also imo………a symbol somewhat of guilt sorta,if that makes sense?? i don’t know the real words to use but i am just shocked here!
*cathyjo* ~ i didn’t mean to sound as if i questioned the fact (about more arrests). i only asked it as if to say, “wow! i didn’t remember hearing that!”
there have been so many twists and turns in this case, i admit i have forgotten certain things…
😉
not to mention relates to the article i just posted! and they were down there when she went missing!
Linda said,in May 11th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
I saw the picture on Scared Monkey site..someone there got it off Chelsea my-space or a friend..later I read about it on twitter. I do have the picture saved though. It says Haleigh and under ther is a picture of a baby angel with wings. I find this very disturbing. I don’t know how to add pictures here that is why I tried to email Simon but for some reason I can’t through the link provided.
Tough,you and me,I am so confused anymore that I forget to remember?? lol really,its crazy!
Cj63,
You are not half as annoying as you think. Maybe a third!: j/k
I didn’t say you were wrong,I am just saying as for me,he don’t annoy me,doesn’t mean he doesn’t irritate you! I’d say the SAME ABOUT YOU IF SOMEBODY ACCUSED YOU OF SOMETHING WRONG TOO,LOL THATS ALL!!!!!!!
Sorry for caps!
Most of us now are used to OJ,he has his beliefs and we have ours but we still want him to feel welcome,i know i do!
*mad*~ omg…that tattoo (specifically the artwork!) is something someone would only get if they KNEW that child was already an angel, imo…
at first, i wasn’t thinking much of it, when it was described simply as haleigh’s name…you know, that’s a bit strange, but doesn’t bother me…
however, when you posted and described the tattoo, it gave me chills. i shudder to think when it was done, and why…
jmo
lol i irritate myself Jaba,believe me!lol
CathyJo63
and it seems to me having a angel with a missing child’s name,you’re saying she’s not alive.
exactly tough! its weird!
Jaba,I know i aggravate myself with caps,lol
As with any group of people discussing a lot of unknowns, opinions are going to stray from one another and passion is going to weigh in.
It happens on almost every blog, discussion forum and chat room.
The test of the group in to do it in a respectful manner. How everyone defines respectful is the wild card.
I agree, just stating something for “shock” value is a waste of time. Maybe the 6 seconds of time I read it I will never get back but it doesn’t diminish my motivation for continued dialogue on a given topic. It just makes me think that person has no real answers to offer, but are so passionate in their feelings it is the only way to stand their ground.
You just can’t take these things, said by strangers, (and I’m stranger than most) to heart. Leave it in your head and think about what is trying to be accomplished.
I swear this is the most shocked and i have been shocked with this case plenty but she’s not even a relative?? no pun intended at all but its like tgluing one of those missing kids flyers to your forehead!
Simon, you got my email, send me one so that I can reply and send you the picture of the tattoo. I can not contact you through your page for some reason. Thanks!
I got plenty of shock value in me,lol just from Chelsea!
wonder too why we never hear one word of rons sister,wheres her tatoo?
Cathyjo,
I hope we are all welcome, and also welcome to vent frustration with each others views without impuning or demeaning an other.
I knw who ISN’T welcome, the nasty gremlin tribe that has apparently invaded the small space below your caps key. 🙂 you got to spray some Raid in there and root them out. Use a match and smoke ’em out of there. Call 911 if it starts to get ugly.
CathyJo63 said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
I didn’t say you were wrong,I am just saying as for me,he don’t annoy me,doesn’t mean he doesn’t irritate you! I’d say the SAME ABOUT YOU IF SOMEBODY ACCUSED YOU OF SOMETHING WRONG TOO,LOL THATS ALL!!!!!!!
“I didn’t say you were wrong”
“I’d say the SAME ABOUT YOU IF SOMEBODY ACCUSED YOU OF SOMETHING WRONG TOO”
WTH???
AND YOUR POINT IS ONE OR THE OTHER???? LMAO..
THAT’S ALL…
obviously…THE HEART OF MY POST WAS AND MY HISTORY WITH BNN ESCAPES YOUR COMMENTS..BUT OJ MAKES IT IN…
GOOD NIGHT ALL…
LoLJaba,i like to think we are all welcome,we are all here for the same thing,who knows who will be right in the end,just like the reporters,i hate to pick on just 1 even if he is a screwup to me,lol imo but any one of em could be right,thats the problem……….none of us know!
Shux,OJ used to come in just to say shut your pie hole CathyJo!now i wouldn’t trade him and I’d honestly miss his MISTY WAS FRAMED,SHE’S INNOCENT,LOL i think it was him,lol if not i am sorry OJ,ya know i love you enuff to grab ya and shake ya,lol
CA,Thats not true,i wasn’t here then! don’t go!
I can’t say anything about that,i wasn’t here obviously so if i wasn’t i won’t pass judgement on you or anyone who was involved!
sheeesh,what i get for back peddlin’lol
with no real reasons or answers for ones opinion…how does one get the to the point of an opinion.?????
I think most of the players in Haleighs case will look for any excuse to get a new tat. Seriously though I don’t think it’s so far fetched. As much as we care about Haleigh, Chelsea actually knew her and maybe their kids played together. It’s painful to think of any child as missing or murdered, I imagine if you knew the child it would be worse.
JMO
I dunno what i said to offend you CA,and if you think i did then you obviously didn’t get my point!
It’s like walkin on eggshells in here. Whoops watch your step!!
I agree to disagree Mary…….(a phrase i got from bnn bloggers) lol
cathyjo…PEACE …but I do believe that ones opinion or posts needs to either be supported with reasons to support or at least not contradict itself..
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maryd…CASEY IS WALKING ON EGG SHELLS…
You are more than welcome Cathyjo,
I’m easy 🙂
yea i agree CA,if they’re smarter than i am,shoot i’d never get by here without all the others b/c i dunno big faincy words,lol
as is MISTY/TOMMY/RONALD…( SO FAR)
One needs to know the difference between indifference and the true meaning of eggs and their shells..that statement is overated IMO…with the likes of the croslins/cummings and anthonys.. 🙂
wasn’t finished,i don’t debate opinions cause i dunno how,lol honestly! Peace!!!!
see lol you got me right there difference between indifference,lol
I am specialllll,lol I’ve had a very shelted life you might say!
lol mary!
I think I missed something, maybe I am shell shocked!!
To me the Caylee case was so much more clear cut, easier to get angry at Casey. You knew from day one Caylee was deceased, what with the car decomp odor.
This case lingers with little answers. No forensics, no body, no answers. Just a lot of lying and rumors.
Slip sliden away now….
CJ – You haven’t even come close to offending me..no worries..I think I am just a little irritated at conflicting post about being wrong and not being wrong..but what ever..mostly is because I posted a comment with the highest of regards to the blog and with your post specifically mentioned nothing of the heart of my message…the side comment was picked up to my disappointment along with a contradictive post to boot..
JMHO – with all do respect to you
Cathy that was OJ that told you to shut your pie-hole. I don’t post to often but I do read every day. I read just in a play way not hateful.
oh *cathyjo*…please don’t feel you have to defend yourself in that way…no one here needs to use “big fancy words” to communicate their feelings. as in life, everyone is doing the best they can, myself included. i think this place is blessed to have you (and i am a newbie! so everyone else already knows that!)
you question until you get an answer, you laugh, and make others laugh too, even in some of the hardest situations, and you are open, about yourself, and your feelings!!
don’t change a thing. 😀
I was reading past articles today and PCSD did say more arrests to come, right after the last river search I believe.
The tatoo on Chealsea- that def says memoralizing to me jmo
toughcookie said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
oh *cathyjo*…please don’t feel you have to defend yourself in that way…no one here needs to use “big fancy words” to communicate their feelings. as in life, everyone is doing the best they can, myself included. i think this place is blessed to have you (and i am a newbie! so everyone else already knows that!)
you question until you get an answer, you laugh, and make others laugh too, even in some of the hardest situations, and you are open, about yourself, and your feelings!!
don’t change a thing. 😀
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Indubitably!!
You all don’t worry about the Egg shells I just barreled thru and them all.
oh ok,i gotcha Ca,
I have been irritated thru the whole thing probably,lol
MARY…your so right…we all knew casey did it from the beginning…it’s all been a waiting game to see how she is tried in the court of law and what her circus act will come up with next..ie- ugly coping.
haleigh is truly very very different…VERY FRUSTRATING AND YOU SIMPLY WANT TO BEAT THE SNOT OUTTA ALL INVOLVD..as they too…ALL LYIN…
wonder if andrea lyons has another case here in the near future…however…being they are trailer trash and known druggies…and not middle class peeps…I think even andra lyin…has her image to uphold..although IMO her image is a small as the amount of hair on the top of her head after casey anthony..
DENIED MIZZ PERFECT TRACK RECORD FOR GETTING DP CLIENTS OFF OF DEATH ROW…IMO she is well on her way for the biggest LOSS OF HER CAREER.
crushed them all.
((((((((Leave My CathyJo Alone))))))))
I am under my white sheet screaming and crying with mascara running down my cheeks… a la Chris Crocker style!
lol
LINDA…I agree…that’s why I am here..been around the egg shell block …you just have to learn and move on…
beautiful…allowing posters to get to know one another is a good start..DON’T CRY…I only bite if bitten …
lmbo@Adams,lol
As we wait for answers and NG bombshells it seems like innocent women are dropping like flys. The poor oriental girl, the mother at the mail box, now the golfer. Sorry I can’t remember names. Sad Sad situation though.
FYI..your mj called me out… 😉
I agree with that,we all knew casey did it!
I just find myself getting in trouble for saying something that someone else took wrong.
Daughter phone brb
Daughter phone brb
C~A said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
MARY…your so right…
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Sorry CA, I left out the rest of your post.
Just liked the sound of that so much…lol j/k
maryd…EVERY FREAKIN DAY RIGHT…PHUONG LEE, VENUS STWEART AND ERICA ?
awwwww Mary,Thank You so much!
You’re gonna make me cry!
CathyJo: A whole lotta smack going on! Don’t worry, be happy!!!!!!!I’m still here for ya, girl. Just finally went back to work from leave so, not here as much…. You are hilarious! You make me smile! Keep it up!
LINDA…YOU SAID “YOU CRUSH THEM”…???? Now your in trouble?
stilllucy..i understand your love and support for cathy jo…but don’t talk smack right in front of my face ..I am very honest and approachable and would like the same respect.
OH my GOD ! I take that back.
CathyJo63 said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
awwwww Mary,Thank You so much!
You’re gonna make me cry!
CathyJo,
It was Toughcookie who wrote the post, I only agreed. But I do loves ya too. 🙂
Beautiful adams–That’s hilarious. I agree with you about CathyJoe. She has made me laugh when I feel like crying. She need not change a thing, if she does, this site would not be the same. I rarely post but read here daily. She is definately one of my favorites. CathyJoe, you are the epitome of what makes this site what it is and should be. I enjoy your posts, your witty humor,and your life stories. Do not change a thing and there is no defense needed for being a great person, as you are! JMO
Cathy now see what you went done and you got people fighting over you…
I don’t know legal stuff and my mind is gone too Mary,lol
funny how some posters remind us vet bloggers of others in our past..seems we are all the same in many ways..just diff. names..
MJ…I would never ask you to change who you are ..we are all who we are..BLOGGERS FOR JUSTICE..
MJ you remind me of a blogger I once knew and loved..big words don’t make you as a person..IT’S WHAT’S IN YOUR HEART THAT MAKES YOU WHAT YOU ARE…
I know big words but can’t remember names. Or what I did yesterday. lol
Mary,
though I have learned alot from you guys,but i just can’t remember it,lol
I AM very very surprised that there has not been hardly any comments on the recent article and what it means for caylee…BLOWS ME AWAY!! Just not what I am used to with BNN fam.
OMG…who is MJ?
I think all can agree, C~A @ 8:56
Thats me Mary,hide stuff from myself and foget where,lol
There was 11 comments since article went up…first commemt 2:58pm today on the hearing etc..that’s why i came here..WHERE IS CAYLEES’ SUPPORT?
I agree about the heart CA!
CA,
I was obsessed with the Caylee case for a long time. When Casey finally went to jail, it was somewhat satisfying. At the same time (concurrently) Haleigh went missing. It kind of sidetracked me, know Caseys trial was so far away.
i THINK FOR SOME IT MAY BE,BURN OUT ON CASEY BUT YOU’RE EIGHT,WHERES cAYLEES SUPPORT!
MJ IS MICHAEL JACKSON…or M.D (DOOGIE HOWSWER)
MY BAD…JUST LEARNING NAMES..SORRY..MD AKA MARYD
i THINK you knew that 😉
I would be the first to burn out on casey case next to Linda drane and jeffrey ashton… LOL
MD 😉 – Watching Caylees’ memorial..HALEIGH GOES MISSING..i was so green on the blog world and how many go missing….I thought “I” had seen the end..caylee was found…THE REST IS HISTORY.. OMG
ERICA BLASSBERG…THE GOLFERS NAME…FOUND DEAD IN HER BED…BLESS HER SOUL!
I think there is support for Caylee. But I also believe that since her fate is known, some of us tend to cling to HaLeigh’s case, because of the unknown.
CA
At first I almost thought it was some kind of a copycat pretend kidnapping to try and capitalize on the public, after seeing how the Anthony’s worked it. I thought maybe they just hid Haleigh and would try and do the donation ride, media thing and make big bucks.
BEAUTIFUL…that contradicts anyone who blogs for justice…just because a body is found…people just drop interest? Boggles my mind..I know it’s just your offering of perhaps why…but one who is involved in missing kids only to drop them cause their dead is not the actions IMO of a one who truly cares about justice…it doesn’t end in death..IT ENDS IN JUSTICE..THAT’S ALL THESE KIDS HAVE LEFT…
BRB AGGAIN
MD..I totally agree…COPYCAT SENSELESS ABDUCTION/KILLING…so many common factors…yet so different in so many ways..who knows the things that went through haleighs abductor/killers minds that could possibly justify the demise of one innocent baby girl with the smile as big as Texas… I pray justice is served and will stay tuned and spend my free time blogging with like minds..waiting for justice to be served!
At this point I have run the full spectrum (gambit)of theories. I have thought out every scenario possible. I wish LE would tell us why they coined it a homicide. Cause I sometimes wonder if she may still be alive somewhere.
As for Casey I wait for the trial, to tell the truth and for justice to be served.
JMThoughts
All I am saying is that some may feel that they can do more for the unknowns. Everyone has their own idea of what fighting for JUSTICE means.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in May 11th, 2010 at 9:08 pm I think there is support for Caylee. But I also believe that since her fate is known, some of us tend to cling to HaLeigh’s case, because of the unknown.
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Exactly. I totally agree
toughcookie said,in May 11th, 2010 at 7:37 pm *acey* the child abduction unit of the fbi will come in at the beginning for the specific reason that IF an abduction occured over state lines, it would be in their scope of investigation to handle it. the fbi is never routinely involved in anything that doesn’t have to do with federal law. only in cases that violate federal law, or transpire (or where the suspect has transpired) over state lines.
this info is easily found anywhere on the internet.
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Yes, there are plenty of articles that indicate the FBI and FDLE were quickly involved with this missing child case.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=130972&catid=295&GID=GeOCJbG//mcJMoGjpBsXR7lrfB+BH7HsTWju0HQsbDA%3D
Amber Alert: Massive Search for Missing Girl
February 10, 2009 Updated 6:42 pm
The FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT says Haleigh had on a pink shirt and underwear.
She is three feet tall and weighs 39 pounds.
The girl’s mother drove in from where she lives in Glen St Mary to Putnam County to talk with authorities.
Helicopters and boats from a number of agencies are looking for Haleigh. Authorities are searching cars leaving the neighborhood. The FBI IS ALSO ASSITING IN THIS INVESTIGATION.
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http://www.amw.com/missing_children/brief.cfm?id=63252
AMERICAS MOST WANTED
Putnam County Sheriff’s Office Lead investigator Jon Merchant said cadaver dogs, bloodhounds, article search dogs, dive teams and marine units were involved.
Sixteen FBI agents flew in to work on timelines on Feb. 11, 2009 and other agencies assisting that day included: St. Johns County, Flagler County, Volusia County, Marion County, the FLORIDA DEPT. OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, the State Attorney, 7th Circuit and various FLA voliunteer emergency service groups, Inv. Merchant said.
TEAM ADAM was on the scene for Day 2 of the search and Texas Equusearch arrived on Day 3 and began their search the next day.
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http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902161002/1002?
Ground search to wrap up
February 16, 2009
Ryan said though the ground search may be ending, the investigation is still in high gear. He said they are working with FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT and the FBI on the case.
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http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5022879.php?
Posted: Monday, 17 August 2009 3:30PM
Haleigh Update: Parents Cleared, Misty’s Story Unclear
FDLE processed the crime scene. Many items of potential evidentiary value were collected and sent to FDLE’s crime lab for analysis (ie. for fingerprints and DNA). All of evidence has been examined and/or processed, but none of it has identified any suspect or additional leads as to who the suspect(s) may be.
*beautifuladams* ~ everyone does have their own idea of “justice”…beautifully put!
CA
GE?
every one has their own ideas, opinions and ability to sustain…perhaps I am not the norm in my opinion on what justice means..i respect the fact that we all do what we can and I can’t expect everyone to be able to with stand a case from beginning to end..I RESPECTFULLY accept we are not all expected to follow each others will to see a case to the end..I can see that point ..we are all made up of different chemistry for sure.
Caylee case is my first and I hold her life to the highest regards for how she has changed my life..guess that’s just me…
haleigh needs to be found…these two cases are at such drastically different points in justice..but IMO neither one has reached a satisfactory conclusion to date…
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/isd/cirg/mission.htm
Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) Teams
It is the mission of the FBI’s Crimes Against Children Unit to provide a quick and effective response to all incidents of crimes against children. The first few hours after a child is abducted are critical, and that is why we have established the Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) Teams.
The CARD Teams are designed to deploy teams of 4–6 experienced personnel to provide on-the-ground investigative, technical, and resource assistance to state and local law enforcement.
The CARD Teams consist of Crimes Against Children investigators who have in-depth experience in child abduction cases. The nationwide CARD Team consists of 48 members, with two full teams serving each region of the country. They work closely with FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit representatives, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime Coordinators, and Crimes Against Children Coordinators.
In addition to their unique expertise, CARD Teams are capable of quickly establishing an on-site command post to centralize investigative efforts and operations. Other assets they bring to the table include a new mapping tool to identify and locate registered sex offenders in the area, national and international lead coverage, and the Child Abduction Response Plan to guide investigative efforts.
CARD Teams are primarily involved in non-family child abductions, ransom child abductions, and mysterious disappearances of children. They work with state and local law enforcement to protect and save the lives of innocent children.
The only thing missing in the Caylee Anthony case is the fat lady singing and I believe I hear her warming up!
Md..Ge? I don’t see what your askin sorry
Yes, people do what they can.
BECKY..your right IMO..andrea lyin is warming up…but her hot plate is defective..JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE..
lol @ becky 😀
maryd said,in May 11th, 2010 at 8:51 pm CathyJo63 said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
awwwww Mary,Thank You so much!
You’re gonna make me cry!
CathyJo,
It was Toughcookie who wrote the post, I only agreed. But I do loves ya too.
Awwwww,sorry Tough,I dunno how i got that wrong! Thank You!!!!!!!!!!
but ya still made me cry!,lol
and I love you too KMary,lol
HollysGmom said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 1:48 am
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Thank you for that information about the possible new weight guidelines. That sounds more sensible to me.
*cathyjo* didn’t mean to make you cry…just my thoughts…hope after the cry, you *smiled* instead! 🙂
Linda said,in May 11th, 2010 at 8:28 pm Cathy that was OJ that told you to shut your pie-hole. I don’t post to often but I do read every day. I read just in a play way not hateful.
Ty Linda…I thought it was! lol
lol tough,you know me….always love to laugh!
I wanted to be a comedian but everybody just laughed at me,lol
now that the introductions are done…GOOD NIGHT ALL! Thanks for your input…
I like the fact that we all have diff opinions but still get along so well!lol
makes me proud!
shux,brb helping Ted with an application,lol brb
Off topic for one minute. Just saw a segment on the Bling Ring or whatever their name was who robbed millions of dollars in jewelry from stars. How does she get only six months jail time. Isn’t that grand larceny?
Wow. During the past few months this blog has degenerated into something I don’t even enjoy reading anymore. Gone are the days when posters would discuss what they knew and what they wanted to know. Now it’s mostly just a bunch of self congratulatory preening and weening bloggers, filled with waaay too many LOL’S, and “fans of its own fans” club.
If you look into a menacing dog’s eye, that will just incite the crazed beast. All of these back and forth comments, diatribes, and “one point of view only” statements just further poisons the pool of intelligent discussion. Sorry; it was way better before.
When was the last time you contributed Iketa? Maybe the recent lull in activity relevant to this case has curtailed some of the lively debate. Hence the bantering. Maybe you could have started the ball rolling rather than taking time to critique. If your not part of the solution you may be part of the problem.
deleted because it was a sarcastic remark that could cause a fight
Jan Barrett- BNN Editor
Iketa said,in May 11th, 2010 at 10:37 pm Wow. During the past few months this blog has degenerated into something I don’t even enjoy reading anymore. Gone are the days when posters would discuss what they knew and what they wanted to know. Now it’s mostly just a bunch of self congratulatory preening and weening bloggers, filled with waaay too many LOL’S, and “fans of its own fans” club.
If you look into a menacing dog’s eye, that will just incite the crazed beast. All of these back and forth comments, diatribes, and “one point of view only” statements just further poisons the pool of intelligent discussion. Sorry; it was way better before.
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Hmmm so you have a problem with people being nice to one another?
Iketa,
Theres a name for what we do,it’s called Frienship!
If tommy only faces 3 years or less actual, minus what he’s already served plus the other misdemeanors, etc…then I agree, why would he roll over on anyone for a deal? It would be a small deal at that.
ron and misty might be able to shrink theirs.
It troubled me when ron says. The line about Haleigh getting ‘stolte’. It makes me think he knew something was coming and misty wasn’t on point. Like he thought something coud happen from some prior threat and warned misty but after they argued and turned her phone off. He may, (we don’t have phone record proof) received a call that night that someone was a comin to get even for something. They come in, misty can only stand there and he/she/they take the little girl. Ron is pissed when he gets home. And his comment saying he had better people to call leads me to think, in this scenario, he knows who was a comin’ and wanted to call around and find out what was up.
Her not being returned could be a function of too much heat and the little girl saw her captors on broad daylight and they got rid of her, or, she is still alive.
Under this theory ron and misty would have to cover for each other at the expense of Haleigh. Imo
why do ppl have problem with LoL’S praises or whatever………..what do they expect…………gripers with depression?
Iketa AMEN.
hmm,never thought of it before now,lol but wonder why they even called 911 if he knew or suspected someone?? just thinking out loud,lol
Jaba: I have thought that maybe M didn’t want to to babysit that night in particular because she knew something/someone was/could be coming. I think this fits into your thoughts. imo
Good Evening Everyone
I have thought that too Hope,or she was gonna sneak out!
CathyJo Maybe they thought they shouldn’t wait 31 days to find out. lol
yeah there could of been many reasons she didn’t want to babysit. I wonder if this was the only time she had asked TN or anyone else to babysit.
maryd said,in May 11th, 2010 at 9:11 pm CA
At first I almost thought it was some kind of a copycat pretend kidnapping to try and capitalize on the public, after seeing how the Anthony’s worked it. I thought maybe they just hid Haleigh and would try and do the donation ride, media thing and make big bucks.
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To this day, I still would not be at all surprised if we hear the Anthonys had something to do with Haleigh going missing. Very odd that Dominic Casey was hired by the Griffis/Sheffields immediately, and a foundation was formed by that side of the family in record time.
rofl@Hope,gooden’
Good point, maybe something was up and she wanted no part of it. But then again, if ron knew before going to work he would have made his mom or gma take them.
If it was a call during work that’s different. I’m sure they pulled all rons calls from before and after the incident.
I mean,lol sorta like get your story straightER first!
CathyJo63 said,in May 11th, 2010 at 11:47 pm hmm,never thought of it before now,lol but wonder why they even called 911 if he knew or suspected someone?? just thinking out loud,lol
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WRONG!! misty and ron shared a few quick panicked words before the 911 call, he saw the backdoor proped open, therefore he knew haleigh was “stole”..they did not, as you say, “knew” or “suspect” someone. It was STRANGER ABDUCTION.
MaryD: your comment towards IKEA was uncalled for, and exactly the type of backhanded sniping, pettiness and lowbrow arguments commonly used by posters of late. You aren’t offering truth or constructive criticism. What IKEA refers to is in fact why many people leave here. She has in fact posted here very articulately previously. Unlike some who think endless dribble means there is significant dialog going on. Wow girl chill out. I’m sure this will bring on the usual wrath but so what. I would prefer you actually get what I’m saying, but guessing if you didn’t understand what Ikea was saying you’ll react similarly. I guess there is always the hope that you’ll really read and understand what people are trying to say.
Maybe somebody came by his work.
The 911 call is just a little strange.
No Oj,I am saying when he said in the background,we got better people to talk to or whatever phrase he used!
Me: besides Mr. Casey wasn’t there other people involved that were also involved in Caylee’s search or is that just a rumor?
Iketa said,in May 11th, 2010 at 10:37 pm Wow. During the past few months this blog has degenerated into something I don’t even enjoy reading anymore. Gone are the days when posters would discuss what they knew and what they wanted to know. Now it’s mostly just a bunch of self congratulatory preening and weening bloggers, filled with waaay too many LOL’S, and “fans of its own fans” club.
If you look into a menacing dog’s eye, that will just incite the crazed beast. All of these back and forth comments, diatribes, and “one point of view only” statements just further poisons the pool of intelligent discussion. Sorry; it was way better before.
how was it uncalled for,she was rude!! whats wrong with a LoL
I wonder who ‘we have better people to call’. Like who? You have 911 on the line. What other person is going to get a swarm of police to your area any faster?
C~A said,in May 11th, 2010 at 9:12 pm BEAUTIFUL…that contradicts anyone who blogs for justice…just because a body is found…people just drop interest? Boggles my mind..I know it’s just your offering of perhaps why…but one who is involved in missing kids only to drop them cause their dead is not the actions IMO of a one who truly cares about justice…it doesn’t end in death..IT ENDS IN JUSTICE..THAT’S ALL THESE KIDS HAVE LEFT…
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Have no idea what you mean by this.
Caylee has been found and someone has been charged with her murder. Her case is in the hands of the justice system now. Competent prosecutors are involved, as is a Judge, and in due course a jury will be empanelled to decide Casey’s fate.
Haleigh’s not been found, no one has been charged, the perp is unknown, and the case is in the hands of PCSO, who don’t seem to have a clue about investigations.
Big difference.
I’ve never seen Iketa before and she comes and attacks us for being who we are?
ofcourse its gonna have a negative response!
theres no new news the last few days and its slow but we are still here for Haleigh….so what if we have some fun………..sheeeeesh!
I am sure everyone has heard what we last heard,so why have a problem?
“A few quick paniced words”
I wonder what they were? Do we have first hand statements from ron or misty of what was said?
right Jaba!
Ikea wan’t rude IMO. The hen in the hen house dialog that followed by several posters seems benign, but it’s not. Although disguised as friendly, certainly was not. Kinda like wolfs in sheep’s clothing imo. You all have a friendly fun filled night, gotta take a call.
IKEA? Isn’t that a furniture store? lol Thanks CJ I felt the need to respond to Iketa’s put downs.
Anyway, back to discussion. Looks like we’re starting from square one. The 911 call.
OJ, an abduction still could have been someone they knew or feared, or anticipated.
Just makes you wonder if they knew that someone might try to do something to them.
Geeeez,we’ll let ya join in the reindeer games wiff us! sheeeeeeesh!
I dunno Hope,it all makes ya wonder though…..you”re right!
I wish we had phone records and a lot more to go on.
yw Mary,and I can see why you had too!
It ‘could’ be a million different things.
What we have is drug posee and a band of thieves running their course and endangering childrens lives.
Also how can it be stranger abduction yet name an ex cop who lost a daughter
As the one who has her?
Seems like hiding a high profile kid would be difficult to hide when this ‘new’ kid just shows up in someones life. Its been done before but never had we had such a specific suspect.
me too and more videos and audio!
Here I am tonight, just being able to get on the site and what do I see? More of the jabbing back and forth. Why can’t you all drop it?? It’s not necessary to start off your post with your quick jab at someone and then go on with what you want to say. This is how the bs gets going. Ugh! Its like someone has to get the last word? Really? Just don’t comment on it anymore.
From what I know, this site has moderators. If something is a problem then we are to write to those moderators and let them handle it….at least that is what I read from them the last time this started. Seems to be the same people doing it too. Sorry, its just very irritating to see the childishness. It takes away from the subject.
Here’s a picture of the tattoo..
http://imm.io/tpo
jaba said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:08 am “A few quick paniced words”
I wonder what they were? Do we have first hand statements from ron or misty of what was said?
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obviously not..do you?
during a panic situation, human behavior and common sense says they spoke to each other before they called 911..
There was a sex offender living 500 ft from the MH.
Jaba: I was still wondering that from last night.
a cop who has her?? what have i missed???
That was part of Oj’s theory CJ that a retired cop stole Haleigh because he had a daughter who died.
MaryD: Do you know if the SO was checked out?
Supposedly Hope all the locals SO’s were checked out. That’s what i have read anyway. Except one who disappeared right after Haleigh went missing who hasn’t been located.
we did drop it,but she did come in and attack negative so we responded negative but still forgot it and went on! then homespain says she wasn’t rude,Iketas post speaks for itself it was rude!
It is over!!
Oh sorry, right after or right before Haleigh went missing.
Ohhhhh TY Mary,i dunno how i missed it,lol
robin said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Beautiful adams–That’s hilarious. I agree with you about CathyJoe. She has made me laugh when I feel like crying. She need not change a thing, if she does, this site would not be the same. I rarely post but read here daily. She is definately one of my favorites. CathyJoe, you are the epitome of what makes this site what it is and should be. I enjoy your posts, your witty humor,and your life stories. Do not change a thing and there is no defense needed for being a great person, as you are! JMO
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I totally agree CathyJo is a joy and I am blessed to call her friend!!!!!!
me said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
15 months and no arrests. The best that could be said about PCSO is that they have been outwitted and outsmarted by some of the world’s dumbest criminals. Or they’ve been looking in the wrong direction this whole time. Time for Putnam County to bring in some real detectives to get to the bottom of this case. Haleigh deserves better.
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So glad to see you back, you’ve been missed 🙂
I agree with your post..
TY MaryD. Does anyone know who this SO is? I would think they would pass this info. on to other locations and locate him. (I guess I assume him could be her)
MaryD–Do you remember the name of the SO?
Misty tells the truth in her 911 call:
Misty Croslin: “yes- it was bricked- there was a brick on the floor…when I was asleep it was not like that.”
She is telling the truth. When she was asleep, it was not like that! It is after she woke up that the brick got placed there…by her!
Am I allowed to repost something from another blogger on another site?
So saying they had paniced words is just a supposition. That’s what I thought.
As far as words they had, I Suppose they could have been planning the 911 call, but since I don’t have evidence, nor apparently does anyone else, I can’t be sure.
MaryD – I am not sure because I am new at posting.
Thank you guys,I just read up where i missed some comments and i don’t know how to take compliments really,but you guys make it easy to be me…….just so understanding and caring,and yea now i know i am gonna bawl!
and i do think so much of all of you too,takes nothing special to be a friend of yours’comes too easy!
good board tonight,,sensible thinkers.
Chad Reynolds, Registered Sex Offender who has been missing since Feb. 1st.
He has a previous sexual offense committed in Putnum County, where Haleigh and her family live. Reynolds family claims he left to attend a Super Bowl party and has not been seen since. He borrowed his friend Amy’s car and that later broke down south of Marion County line and Reynolds left it abandoned.
http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/Missing-Predators-Family-Speaks-Out/3DjI6B_noU2xnGk_rEAUuA.cspx
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off…personId=54368
Reynolds originally broke into a trailer, committed robbery and molested an 11 year girl. He was convicted in 2003 for lewd or lascivious molestation victim under 12 years and was sentenced to seven years in prison. He was released in November 2008.
See — http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/off…personId=54368
C~A said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
stilllucy..i understand your love and support for cathy jo…but don’t talk smack right in front of my face ..I am very honest and approachable and would like the same respect.
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I am giving you the respect of talking honest to you and I do not mean this against you BUT if you will look back over the above posts I think you might see that you are making something of nothing. Maybe wearing your feelings on your sleeve, being over sensitive. I don’t see that anyone was being mean to you or meant you any harm. Just food for thought.
CathyJo63 said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:40 am Thank you guys,I just read up where i missed some comments and i don’t know how to take compliments really,but you guys make it easy to be me…….just so understanding and caring,and yea now i know i am gonna bawl!
and i do think so much of all of you too,takes nothing special to be a friend of yours’comes too easy!
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if i push my hands around your waist will my fingers touch? jus curious. 😉
brb
911: “Does it look like you had to sorta…like someone tried to enter your house.”
Misty: “Umm. Hold On.”
(Misty goes and looks)
Misty: “No it doesn’t. ”
911: “it doesn’t look like it is?”
Misty: “No”
Sorry, but wouldn’t she have already looked at the door, and wouldn’t Ron of checked it when they were looking for Haleigh? If my door was propped open, I would of wondered how it got open or how someone got in. I would of noticed if it was jimmied or busted. I think she “pretends” to go look, because she wanted to act like she didn’t know. Remember, she ‘looked everywhere for Haleigh’ and even ‘checked under the beds’….you know, the ones that were flat on the floor!!
If she had made half an attempt, everyone in that neighborhood would of been up, awake, etc. and she would of been banging on all their doors, screaming for Haleigh! But that didn’t happen.
Well,it might touch that rib you been trying to get back OJ,LoL
15 months of stalling and changing stories goes hand in hand on this one.
Any one of them, or the proverbial ‘stranger’ who hit the lottery by finding the MH that’s easy to break into and takes a kid three feet from another person. I know its happened before, but how many times are these knuckleheads caught in the act of things like this. Just as many I think.
If one were to choke a child, wrap them up in a blanket and drive to river and tie a rope and a cinder block to them, and it sits a year or so in a river, what can cops go on besides the changing story of the players?
OJ’s glove said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:40 am good board tonight,,sensible thinkers.
Me included,lol
me included ? sorry lol
JenM,
I agree. Under the beds?
‘Better people to call’ says ron. WHO? Who’s going to start a search faster then the police? An amber alert etc…does ron know a way to get texas equisearch to his house with a 100 volunteers and a lighting rig, and dogs at a simple phone call, and expect them there in 20 minutes?
CathyJo63 said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:46 am Well,it might touch that rib you been trying to get back OJ,LoL
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I want that rib!
I luv a slim woman ..and smart too..
wellllllllll,i am a walking xray but i always thought….bone for dog,meat for man,rofl
and ones who’ll rob banks for ya too……..right OJ? LoL
I think I’d rather get the cops too Jaba!
I dunno about smart OJ’
my daughter got my brains cuz her dad still had his! lol
closer to the bone,
sweeter the meat..
I like you cat.
lets meet up, I’m sending my email to jan to send to you..
ROFL@OJ
Heres my addy,all ya hadda do was ask.
TooOleForYou@gmail.com
rofl,it actually looks like a link that way,lol
Wow, this blog turned into match dot com all of a sudden.:)
OJ, this is CathyJo’s sister here, and I don’t know that I approve of you. You are going to have to get counseling over your obsession with Misty before you can have a shot at CJ, OK. LOL
lol it did didn’t it?
OJ wants his rib back and won’t stop chasing women!
maled you..
Misty obsession,rofl
I think Haleigh overheard the fight between Misty and Ron before Ron went to work. She knew Misty didn’t want to stay there with her and Jr.. Misty had people over and was partying. The last she saw Haleigh was when it was still light out. Maybe Tommy or Joe tried to touch Haleigh and she took off to hide.(this is what 5 yr. old do). *Plus according to Crystal, she had done that before. (maybe this is why the dogs could trace her scent out the back door and through the woods?)Remember, it was still light out.
Misty in her drugged state, passes out, not even knowing that Haleigh is not there. When she wakes up, she realizes it! Panics. Turns her phone off, because she knows if Ron calls she won’t know what to say. She knows she better find Haleigh quick. She remembers Tommy and Joe being at the house. She remembers partying. But she can’t find Haleigh anywhere. She wonders if one of them have her. She calls Timmy to see if Tommy or Joe are over there. Ron is going to be home soon. She props the back door open with the brick. Waits till Ron drives up and she tells her story that someone took Haleigh while she was sleeping. (She can’t tell him what really happened. He will be furious and she is afraid of what he might do). Her reaction is appropriate for her age…she lies and makes something up. Ron wants to know who was there that night…she tells him. He becomes hell bent on getting Joe. Meanwhile, she doesn’t remember fully what happened, if it was real or a dream. She tells police that the back door gig is something Tommy would do.
She suspects he may of had something to do with it, but she doesn’t know. She thinks it could of been Joe too, but doesn’t know. She does know though, that admitting her part in this will not bring Haleigh back, and will only serve to make Ron hate her.
Remember, she is thinking like a 17 y/o that owes any future she may have to Ron. She loves him. She doesn’t want to lose him. She is feeling guilt over losing Haleigh.
This is where she teams up with Ron to find the person responsible! Ron becomes the tough guy who is gonna connect with Misty and get married and keep Jr and ‘together’ they will figure it out, as he becomes the protector.(could be part of the abusive cycle…i.e. they fight and something happens to haliegh, they make up, they fight again(divorce), they make up again (selling drugs), etc. etc.
Ron tells LE recently that ‘he would understand if Misty was threatened’, but I don’t think he understands that ‘he is the one she is fearful of’. Misty tells Chelsea that if she tells what really happened that day, it will hurt two people. One she cares about and the other she doesn’t. That would be Ron (she cares about) and Crystal (she doesn’t care about).
For the LDT, I think she doesn’t know what happened to Haleigh, but she knows she is lying about not telling the truth about the events that day/night. She doesn’t have the judgment or common sense either to realize that if she had told from the beginning the search could of went a different direction in finding Haleigh. I think she just figures that it is too late now….
Those are my opinions, but I think it is a high possibility that it happened that way. The only thing not clear is the part of ‘what happened to Haleigh’.
I have an INNOCENCE obsession..
a FALSELY ACCUSED obsession..
a FALLGUY obsession..
a JUSTICE FOR ALL obsession..
an INNOCENT TIL PROVEN GUILTY obsession..
a JUSTICE FOR ALL obsession..
and you all should TOO!!!
OJ, to some degree I agree with you. I pray everyday for justice to all parties in this case.
Jaba–I read crime stories and one story that struck me was Tommy Lynn Sells, a convicted murderer on death row in Texas. One of his victims (although never charged) was a young boy. Tommy went in the house, killed the boy with a kitchen knife from the home. The mom was asleep and did not wake up until she heard the young boy scream. Tommy ran out. The mother calls 911. The cops never bought the story and subsequently arrested and charged her with her son’s murder. The cops did not believe someone would randomly walk into someone’s house and use a weapon that was all ready there. It was too easy to blame the mother instead of investigate. The mother never had a motive to kill her son, but yet the biological father (they were divorced) and police villified this poor mother. She was ultimately let out of prison, but not before the damage was done! That’s why I have such a problem with LE claiming this was not a stranger abduction. Why would they deem whomever took Haleigh had to be someone she knew? If they based it on the LDTs or the door (which they didn’t take for 2 weeks if – recall) then they have made some serious flaws in this investigation. I think LE has backed themselves in the corner with their focus on just these people. I think its a very real possibility that someone other than Misty, Tommy, or Ron are responsible. Ron’s comments alone leads in several different directions–Sheffields,drug dealers, or other criminal elements. Another is the 44 sex offenders in a 5 mile radius. I just hope LE has looked into every angle this case has presented before zeroing in on this bunch, but I feel they may be ill equipped to deal with a case this big and one that has become high profile. JMO
Ok jen, that’s plausible.
So when Haleigh goes off, who takes her? The odds, while 1 is way too many,that a SO rolled by and found a kid with no one watching and keeps her, is low, but possible.
If misty was whcked out by 1030 so bad she doesn’t realize the kid is gone, how does she recover for the 911 call by 3? 4.5 hours…having a hard time with that. Did misty ever say she was on drugs past 1030? No.
I can see them covering all of their wrongdoing by lying, that I can unserstand.
Wouldn’t all the people at the party just come forward and say they didn’t see the kid while there? Did anyone ever admit to having a party there at the mh? Naming those people expand the odds away from misty, right?
excellent post robin!…
but its wasted on jaba..
she wants to see someone swinging from a tree..
I agree. Coupled with my theory above, anything could of happened to haleigh. But I think those are the events surrounding what happened. Just thinking from what a 5 yr old would do and what a 17 y/o immature girl would do….it fits. Yes, Haleigh could of wondered off or hid, could of been picked up, could of fell in the water, could of been abducted by anyone (stranger or family), could of OD’d, could of anything…. We may never know. But I think this is the reason for so many theories of what happened to her, is because Misty won’t tell the truth about the events leading up to it happening or the events afterwards. She is scared. She is scared of being accused of doing something to Haleigh, she is scared of losing Ron or making him mad enough to kill her, she is scared of being shamed by everyone, and is scared of being held responible for something she doesn’t feel she did (directly). A 17 y/o will make something up to keep from telling the truth. It is how their mind works. Especially if she has learned to do that as a protection from being accused of causing her own molestation by others. No one trusted her before, why would they trust her now? She is not going to chance that. So she keeps the truth hidden. It is self survival for her. This is what makes her strong. She has learned to protect herself at all costs. Just my opinion.
JenM
Do you think Jr. would of been aware that Haleigh was missing before it got dark and told someone? imo
Robin,
I get the reference, totally believable.
I think that the hindsight of a case like that is easier to tag as wrong.
What we Don’t have here is all of what LE has for evidence.
Until then, its opions based on what we Do know or believe.
A DA, a judge and a jury and a defesne team will battle this in open court should they be charged. At least we’ll see all of what we were missing to either exonerate them or convict them.
Misty admits that Tommy, Joe and the TV/AC guy was there partying that night. They may of thought Haleigh was in bed, or maybe they were too wasted to think about it, or maybe one of them tried to do something to Haliegh in her room while everyone was partying and she took off to hide from them. Maybe Misty turned off the phone so she could party without Ron interupting. She then crashed and when she woke up, she realized Haleigh was gone. (I still think Tommy may of taken her…and Misty just doesn’t know for sure, but she feels guilty and responsible, so she sets the back door up to cover her guilt and irresponsibleness)
Projective rhetoric is a sure sign of desperation of some sort, kind like a good bottle of whine.:)
the one thing that continues to leave me stunned, is the lack of evidence! i’ve seen the intellect of those involved come into question throughout the media circus…but if they were so darned unintelligent, how is it that there were no footprints, not a fiber, piece of hair, or even tire tracks (at least i can’t remember them saying there were)around outside of that mobile home?
that they were smart enough not to leave a trace! just dumb luck…or??? idk
jmo
Hope, it is possible that the kids went to bed while she was partying. Jr was asleep. Misty passed out. Tommy did something to Haleigh. Misty woke up and Haleigh was gone. She feels responsible, can’t remember what happened, so she sets the back door up to cover her guilt.
Very highly possible. Turns her phone on, calls Timmy to see if Tommy or Joe are there, or if someone knows anything. She waits for Ron to get home and calls 911. the rest is history.
People already think she knows. That isn’t going to change by her lying. Tell us you had a party? Tell us who was there? It makes no difference to her or ron now, he can’t hurt her and he can’t be with her. It will be decades before they see each other.I know 17 year olds don’t think long term like that! But she has no distraction to that message in prison/jail. She thinks constantly about it.
And if someone grabbed the kid, ok, that doesn’t mean she’ll even do time for not reporting it. The drug charges are what they are, prison is the future, either truthfully or not.
toughcookie, this is why I think Haleigh might of ran off and hid. Misty and Ron ‘reportedly’ fought on the phone, then there was the partying. Who knows what happened during that time? 5 y/o’s hide when they are scared. Maybe she ran over to Tommy’s house because she knew where it was. Maybe this is when the dog was barking?
At any rate, that’s the part that is unclear ‘what happened to Haleigh’. However, the part about Misty and her own coverup makes sense to me. I think Tommy knows if she tells the truth, he could be implicated. He wants her to blame Ron or Joe or whoever else.
I think all the pieces will come together soon.
Yep, she screwed herself royally!
good points *jenm*!
Feeling guilty for letting someone take her? If she knew tommy did something I can see her being quiet seeing that tommy might now just do 3 or so.
But she ratted on him for other crimes from the jump.
And what would endear her more to ron than solving his kids kidnapping?
She could have called. Police before ron was told and tommy would have been protected from ronbo and his flea market gun collection.
If sh runs to tommys because she was afraid, does tommy not think someone has to be coming for her, and he just disposes of her on a whim? If he’s high beyond belief, maybe so.
*jenm* ~ when you mentioned the partying it reminded me of a little scenario i had been questioning, myself. from the beginning, once i had heard about misty’s 3 day “sex & drug binge”, i always thought that perhaps it was going to continue that night in the mh. maybe the reason she didn’t want to babysit, was more because she knew that someone was coming over to party. the last little piece of this is that when jr. was said to have seen the couch bouncing, i had wondered if the kids were supposed to be in bed sleeping by that point, and maybe the other guy from the 3-day party had come over (not white boy greg…but the other one, whose lap she was supposedly sitting on, that DIDN’T have sex with her, although he at first wanted to, but chose to do the coke instead) and they were “really” partying on the couch. if jr. saw that, and perhaps haleigh got out of bed to see what was going on…who knows what could have happened…just a theory.
jmo
So the kids ate on the porch at 730 with gma sykes saying everything is A-OK.
Between then and sundown in floridia in february, what 8pm? Haleigh hears something an goes to hide. Is a 5 year old, reportedly afraid of the dark, going to bolt from a low lit MH in park in the woods? I don’t see that as valid.
If misty had people over why not say it now? They could be the kidnapper rather than any of her family members.
Does she care about the party goers more than ron or tommy?
*jaba* ~ right, i don’t see haleigh running off alone. i just have never bought into the fact that she ran off & tragedy befell her, and have never bought into the fact that somebody in that mh wasn’t responsible for whatever happened to her.
i definitely don’t think it was a stranger abduction. i believe that LE has all the players in custody (most likely), i’m just not sure who actually did what, and to what degree they are all involved.
jmo
i just think that these drug arrests, and the court dates following them, may well be LE’s final straw as far as having leverage to get anyone to talk. once they are down for 25 years, they will be even less willing to “confess”, or tell on one another, simply because, at least with a 25 yr sentence, they know they will see daylight again, but if they do confess re: haleigh, misty will likely be in there for life, and the others would be eligible for the death penalty, assuming they were found guilty. so i wonder if this is the final bargaining chip for LE to get an outright “confession” of sorts…
imo
And announcing a homicide before you have something really linking it, is a bold step. I don’t see them doing that and having to retract it later. Why not wait until you are sure? I think they are?
totally agree with you on that one *jaba*!
i’m glad they are actually taking their time on this. so often, a hurried investigation and arrest can mean a mistrial or something, because they’ve overlooked something, or even the tiniest mistake in procedure, and the whole thing can be thrown out. much better to wait until they are positive.
imo
btw ~ did *cathyjo* and *o.j.* go off and fall in love?? lol 🙂 seems they have both disappeared…
I also wonder about ron tipping off misty about donna brock. Was he just covering his dealing or covering for the Haleigh disappearance?
Jaba, that is ‘assuming’ that Sykes told the truth about seeing the kids that night. Who knows. I certainly don’t believe Haleigh would of taken off in the dark, but I do beleive she might of in the daylight. Her own Mom said that she had done that before and they found her face down in the water.
Also,the bouncing of the couch was something whacky old grandma hollars said, and I think they showed that she just made all that up. She told so many stories.
If sykes did see the kids, then I think Tommy could of taken haleigh out while Misty was passed out. Remember, he keeps trying to convince us he knows what he is doing when he is high. Maybe he threw her in that dumpster, then took her out and ….etc. But again, I think Misty may of really been passed out and doesn’t remember. But i think she does remember setting up that back door to cover her guilt of losing haleigh and not remembering. She would not chance making ron mad. Heck, she even said on the 911 tape she was cleaning. She probably was cleaning…cleaning up the mess from her party and making the house look good for when he got home. She knows what would happen if she didn’t. She probably also thinks it doesn’t matter really if she tells what happened or not, because that fact is haleigh is gone. But she doesn’t realize that it would of given a better sense of what could of happened to her.
Maybe both?
I think all the things affecting Misty psychological have to be considered, right along with her age, socio/economical factors, demographics, education, childhood history, sibstance, way of life, family history, use/abuse, etc. It explains a lot.
I want to say that from experience, I know that if you are traumatized in any way, it is possible that you can completely block something out. I was kidnapped at age 15. I only remember the beginning of what happened and the end. I’ve tried to remember what happened in between, but I can’t. I had Dr.s tell me that it is so painful that I may never recall it. I truly have no clue what happened. If I wanted to know what happened and I took a LDT, I don’t know if it would show I was lying or not, as I truly don’t recall any of it from the middle. For a long time, I didn’t have some other peices, but a few things came to light over time, but nothing major.
This could be the case with Misty. Not saying it is, but it could be. Maybe something so traumatic happened that she has blocked it out. Especially since drugs may of been involved.
BTW, mine was ‘stranger abduction’ in broad daylight with 2 other people right next to me.
nite.
Why does gma sykes lie for misty? She only knew, what 6 months?
JenM–What a traumatic experience for such a young girl. It explains your passion for this case. I hope the person responsible was caught and has to pay for what he did to you.
Hi im back been at the biker rally here in Myrtle beach ,with my sister,riding Harleys in the wind lol at 53 lol.An looking through the tents,it only the middle part before it get to crowed this week end,i dont go out then.
To address this morning comments,an then i have nothing more to say about them.
Beast remarked about the SNOTTY NOSE KID post i made.
But if she will go back an read,Jada,an i were having a early morning chat.
When C~A rolled in blasting.In fact if Beast would have really read the comments ,an not chose me to TRY to bully.
She/he would have seen the snotty nose kid remark came from (( C~A ))TO ME,I only returned her remark,because i see no child,or teen as snotty nosed. as i repeated what SHE call the addicted children in America to day snotty nose kids.I then remarked it back to her,using the snotty nose kid remark,with a comment as to mind how we judge another mans child,it could hit our door steps one day,through our decendents..
I have much compassion for out youth who are dieing from addiction,an i see small bust blowed up to major trafficing charges,an the big boy who bring the drugs in,or the big dealer in our society are never touched,it always the small people who get the major time.
Yes i feel for anyones son,or daughter whos strung out.Unless you have been there,you wouldnt know the stronghold addiction has over a young person,or any person for that matter.Unless youve been one,or are the parent of a user..An all first time offendenders,if its a non violent crime need a second chance.Mosty those who have never had a chance,at learnig about decent behavior,life skills.
I wouldnt be here today if one woman hadnt had a compassionate heart,for those on the wrong path,she looked past my sins,troubles,an somethings i brought on my self,some i hung with older crowed,an follow their way.
But she saw through all of that an saw a young woman heading to a awful life,or death,to hell.An she helped me,loved me,an prayed for me. That truly helped turn my troubled youthful life around.Jesus said i didnt come to condem them,i came to save them.Oh if we all had that mind,an heart set,this would be a better world. Im in no way speaking of proven child killer,Abusers,or rapest.
So this is the last i will speak of this,an theres 2 i will not be chatting with.Most know me here,im not about the brawling.So i chose to chat,an state a op,An aviod those who are in this for the fight of it!!!
Well, second chances are appropriate in so many cases, and in this one, for the drugs, I can see it.
The state of florida wants to cut this behavior feverishly. They know what it does the abusers and their families so they enact a mandatory sentence.
The second chance for mist will come, just not for a long time if she can’t show she was so set up in these sting she had to do it. She could say ron threatened to kill her if she didn’t do the dealin with him. That may sway a jury.
She said she wanted to straight, well this will only help her. Her second chance on the outside now is a support system of knuckleheads. She better off where she’s at.
JMO…I think Ron is the mastermind behind the whole series of events. Ron is the reason behind it all, Ron is guilty. Misty is protecting Ron, Gma Sykes protecting Ron, Tommy protecting Ron on behalf of Misty. Ron is narcissistic and Misty is an inverted narcissist.
Lyndsy is afraid and divorcing Tommy to distance herself from being found guilty and charged of knowing more than she has told and knows LE are close to murder charges.
I think someone (misty?) made a soft bed out of blankets for an ill or near dead child and carried her out wrapped in blankets to the van and took Haleigh to Ron at work where he made the final calls on how to handle the tragedy…JMO
Addiction is touching every family in America. It is devastating! I believe drugs are a weapon of mass destruction created and allowed to infiltrate our families on purpose-kind of like population control.
Jan57-two bikers were killed here today, very tragic accident. Ride safe.
Wow, if ron could hold it together at work while his dead child is in the parking lot, that would be awful.
I think its possible he knew more of what happened that night by grabbing beer and cigs on the way home. He knew he was in for a long night. Of course, he’s a chain smoker and a get high kinda guy, so that could have been what a normal ron would do.
7:30 – 3 looks like the timeline for disappearnce and cover up.
Btw, who is behind the purposeful creation and distribution of drugs as population control?
I can see profit as the motive but not the population control.
JMO…I think Ron has been holding it together the whole time unbelievably well. He is calculating and controlling. He seems to be able to immediately detach…I see misty as codependent-and this has only made her become more so attached to Ron-he is her supply-she is addicted to him…JMO
Jaba, I’m sorry that does sound a bit crazy or conspiratorial but the problem and devastation appear to be of a design with an agenda. I dont know who exactly to blame but no healthy country would allow their youth and families to rot,suffer,and die in this way.
maryd said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:26 am There was a sex offender living 500 ft from the MH.
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Yep. And I think he may be related to Marie Griffis/Crystal. His name is Kyle Johns.
JMO…7:30 to 3 am time line
I am relatively new to following the facts of this case and have been reading and sifting through pages and pages of theories. I cant nearly put together any logical time line, certain facts do stick out to me and of course my own life experiences taint my judgment. The blankets stick out in my mind…and I could relate to someone making beds out of the blankets and gently placing Haleigh in the van. Was Misty’s blanket in the van also? Tommy took the van with Haleigh to Ron or on Rons orders while Misty stayed behind to clean, watch Jr, etc…JMO
JMO…I believe Ron would have cracked and found the person who did this if there was any chance of a stranger or person besides himself being involved in Haleighs abduction. He would have been more destructive either violently or drug and booze wise. He would have been on a rampage to find the person or to numb himself.
Ron is too calculating, swift with deceit, and too persuasive-
to let any of the players slip up. He handles the people around him well and manipulates the players telling them what the best outcome will be and convincing them he is looking out for whats best for them. He is a con. He is in control…JMO
Nite, thank you for letting me voice my opinion.
vaquera said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:34 am me said,
So glad to see you back, you’ve been missed
I agree with your post
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Thank you! I’ve been crazy busy so haven’t had much time to post, but I’ve been reading others posts when I can.
I’ve noticed a few posters have been missing lately…m2c, Cathartic, AnnieTN & others. I hope they come back.
Hope said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:34 am TY MaryD. Does anyone know who this SO is? I would think they would pass this info. on to other locations and locate him. (I guess I assume him could be her)
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His name is Chad Reynolds. He went missing a few days before Haleigh did, not too far from where she lived. He’s still not found.
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jaba said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:48 am 15 months of stalling and changing stories goes hand in hand on this one.
Any one of them, or the proverbial ’stranger’ who hit the lottery by finding the MH that’s easy to break into and takes a kid three feet from another person. I know its happened before, but how many times are these knuckleheads caught in the act of things like this. Just as many I think.
If one were to choke a child, wrap them up in a blanket and drive to river and tie a rope and a cinder block to them, and it sits a year or so in a river, what can cops go on besides the changing story of the players?
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Ummm…maybe they could investigate?
Casey Anthony – no confession, just lies – facing murder charge
Drew Peterson – no confession – facing murder charge
Scott Peterson – no confession – facing murder charges
I could go on and on. Good detectives don’t rely on drug addicts like Nay Nay to solve crimes for them, nor do they blame uneducated teenagers for their inability to solve crimes. They investigate and solve them. Why do you think Haleigh deserves any less than that?
Hey all,i watched the hearing on the DP this morning at TCD,then went off to the rally looking for a pair of Harley boots,I have been with this case from the start when the case first came out.Believed Casey murdered her baby. when you combine the action,an evidence,all the lies.It to me only points to person who wanted to be free of Caylee,an thats Casey.I also believe her Parents tampered,lied,an covered up for her,in every way they could after they picked the car up from the tow yard.
George in the interview in the beginning was honest,an then bam he followed his wife,an started hes own path of lies.The defence in her case,have shown me why they are claimed to be experts,or that woman Andrea slid in the hearing.Thinking she got over on the state.How ever Asthon proves over,an over to be a seasoned prosictuor,so far.Judge Perry demands order in court,an i like that.
I did like Judge Strickland also,but he did allow to much to go in in the court room.Casey,had anything she could have wanted,a deceent home,a warm bed, food,car,ins,Caylee also seemed not need anything material wise,i will give George,an Cindy that much,they were providing.But it takes more than a few hours a day,with a child to be a good mother,unless Casey had to work an provide,al the things she was acustom to.An we all know she was a free loading thief,by all accounts,even her dads,in the beginning.
I have followed Halieghs case as i have Caylees from the beginning,an in Halieghs case,im awaiting proof she is deceaced,an as of yet have got none.I dont know if Misty,Ron,Tommy,Joe,or a stranger murdered her,if she OD,they paniced,an covered.Or if the Sheffields,an Griffs have her hid,untill this is over,an they can move to be with her.At this point i dont trust anthing i hear,show me evidence,show me Haliegh,or her tiny bones.
I just at this point dont know.Her being a girl child i also look at a pedifle,abduction.I pray that The investigators on that case,any case,look at everyone through,an through.LDT means zip tp me.I FAILED ONE WHEN UNDER STRESS/HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE MAKES ME GET STRESSED OUT.,AN PASSED IT THE NEXT WEEK SAME QUESTIONS,WHEN IT WAS UNDER CONTROL AGAIN..sorry caps
I do not think the results should be leaked,because it does cause people to think that persons guilty if the fail on,they work off of stressers,an lord knows anyone facing serious charges,thats surly a stresser.
I follow Little Emma,Gabrieal,an many more cases.Its the fact that these are innocent children,babies.An ANYONE who would,or could raped/sodomize/or murder them,should face the highest punisment.
I also have compassion for teens who once were babies,an have grown,an gotten addicted to something so powerful as a drug.I know the dept of what drug abuse,or strong drinkers can do to children families,an the user.
I work with the rougher types who have not known any other life,have brought many into my home to dry them out through the years,some i picked up on hooker street,an they are clean today straight,working an living normal.Im not scared to go into the darker areas,to pull one out.An they have to be real slick to fool me lol.Do not deall with any gangs this day an time,what so ever.
I go to prisons,an help those who are preparing to get out.An those who have children visits. Theres always those who reject help,hardened by life,an drug use,booze use,those i turn them over to God.They all belong to him anyway,good,or bad, Im sure he knows whos savable,an whos not.But they are my fellow man/woman/an if i can ever help someone in need,i plan to contenue.
An if i can ever testify against one who harms one of these little ones i will.If i see a man beating a woman,or woman beating a man,i call them out.an make sue they know ill call the law,if its not stopped right then.An im aware that the law commits some of these same crimes.Not all but theres curruption every where.We must be wise,im for ever watching.
As far as threats ,that dont mean a hill of beans to me.
Ive been beat,hit in the head with billy sticks,bottles,a pistel.Eye busted with a set of numbchucks,a crushed under eye bone.Been raped,an left for dead,faced death many times,an By Gods grace,an mercy im still alive,an able to help those in trouble,in need,an will contenue.
Beacuse these youth were once babies,who didnt have a chance in life. Still babies who fell on the wrong path.Some mother,or dad,is looking for them,some have just dissapeared off the face of the map,like precious Haliegh has,an i think of the little boy who has been missing for 30 yrs,his face was on a milk carton back in the day.That mom,never found out what happened,or who took him.
treece said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 12:42 am
C~A said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
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I was talking to stilllucy…I am who I am sensitive at times perhaps..surely that’s acceptable. Haleighs’ case is extremely frustrating. That’s me. Take me or leave me. I wear my heart on my sleeve a lot as well, however I was responding to a post made by someone who didn’t have their facts straight and perhaps expected some to be able to grasp the just of my post, for a better understanding of who I am not pick out the easy attackable points…
Ronin,an JenM I could undersatnd,something like that happening. How ever we have to account for GG Sykes saying she saw all three at 7:30,eating when she took the childrens cloths to them. Why would she lie,she seems like a honest older woman,lived decent.What time did it get dark in putnam that time of yr?
To the person who asked earlier,about the RSO that went missing .His name was Chad Renolds,he was arrsted in Putnam co,for a B&e,An molestiing a child under 12 Yrs of age at that home.He was last reported to have left his home,where he lived with his mother,leaving his last paycheck,there,un cashed.the car he was driving was found on the Marion county line
.He lived about 2 hrs away from Halieghs,but i believe he hung out, OR Could have lived in putnam before.(not sure) he was in his 20s. he took off around the time Haliegh went missing,that morning he was gone.Someone from another county talked to him,by phone,an hes never been scene,last i checked. Report said they believe he fell prey to foul play.But who knows.I would like to know where the home was he broke in to,an molested the child.If it was a girl friends home,an her child ,or a random act? But nothing being reported if hes been found,or is still missing.
Jan..good points about George being honest until cindy got her claws into him…and he began his lying path of obstruction…he is no better then she or his murdering daughter. I can’t wait to hear the indictment testimony from good ol georgie.. the thing is..when it comes to testify..he has the “body odour” testimony from the le interview and then his contradictory lies about the smell being of garbage. ( the day I threw g under the bus when he lied bold face on larry king). so when does perjury come into play with these lyin sacks of dung?
As far as casey..also good point. I watched the hearing yesterday. Yes she began to cry when they spoke of how happy and healthy caylee was but it was her own guilty that was responsible for the minor water works. She knew the baby was happy and healthy and SHE TOOK THAT AWAY FROM HER. Perhaps her time spent in jail with all the time in the world to think about what she has done, has brought her to realize that it never needed to come down to murdering the child. That there were many many other options but IT’S TOO LATE!
IT will come out in trial, that caylee was happy and healthy NOT BECAUSE CASEY took care of her at all. She paid for NOTHING for that child. It was her parents that cared for and nurtured the baby. So as far as the EXPERT ( cough ) lyins had on the stand yesterday goes, when she says that if a mother spends her “free time” grinding it up at a bar..that doesn’t mean she is not a good mother.
Ashton should of asked her what her definition of FREE TIME WAS….casey spent every minute of everyday either dropping the baby off, leaving the baby at home or dragging her along to do what CASEY WANTED…hanging out with caseys friends and sleepin in young mens beds with caylee in tow is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE…and NOT A GOOD MOTHER. It will all come out…pictures or not..JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE
Thank you to all who were concurned for me yesterday. First time i rolled by this site there was bickering lol,an its still here to day.I guess when all type people get together,its bound to happen lol
Lets just pray,that the person,or persons who had a part in Haliegh being missing for 15 months.That something brings closure to this case.Praying always that Haliegh is found alive an well,if not at least she is found,so closure can come for all who loves her..
An those responsable,get whats comming to them -no matter who it is.
Its time for the lab reports.But i doupt we here anything,either way,untill an arrest is made,if real evidence was found to do with Haliegh.
I am wondering about those cinder blocks..surely they have results by now..we are not identifying a body here…testing cinder blocks for evidence.
SIMON..have you heard anything on this front by any of your sources? What’s the hold up?
people just need to not make their posts so personal towards others …that’s when people take guard! JMO
I think that the Anthonys know that Caylee died in that house and was at some point buried in the back yard. They dont want that house anymore. I really think Casey told them something, whether or not it was the truth we’ll never know. I dont think Caylees death was planned. Just for the reason that Casey didnt seem to do much planning as far as where to put her body. It was in the car for some time, doesnt seem like if you planned to kill someone that a trunk of a car would be its final resting place. I think it is her fault and she was murdered but it wasnt planned.
Does Misty go to court today or Thursday?
tamny
I agree with you. I don’t think Casey planned to kill Caylee.
To my knowledge misty goes to court June 3rd..
CA
I don’t know what made me think May 13th?
When does the rest of the bunch go?
BSJ said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 4:35 am
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totally agree…ron would have tore that trailer to pieces looking for his daughter…he is shady enough to have found the one responsible if he “didn’t” already know..I’m sure he has connections and is IN THE KNOW of everyones cummings and goings in such a small community.
His actions or LACK OF…tell me he knows. Look at Victoria STaffords mother after a year of her daughter going missing…she has gained a good 100lbs..the stress etc..of being the mother of murdered child..i know everyone is different..but Ronald would have made it lifes mission to find haleigh or the person responsible IMO. Simply because of the kind of person he is. Controlling, violent and short fused. HE’D HAVE GONE MADD IF HE WAS INNOCENT. I don’t know how he is involved but with a personality like his, he could be responsible and at the very least, knows what happened to haleigh.
I think tommy is up first, then ron and then misty.
I think tommy has a pre-trial hearing tomorrow. Not positive.
If casey didn’t plan on killing Caylee, why would duck tape be needed. The child was either knocked out and had her mouth taped over. 3 pieces so it would stick. What does a killer need to tape a mouth for if the victim is not breathing?
She chloroformed the kid, and to make sure she would expire, she taped her mouth shut. And then plaved the heart sticker on her taped lips. What was that for, “see you when you wake up from your nap? No, no way, no how.
jaba
Thanks. Wonder what will happen in Tommy’s pre-trial hearing?
I have told everyone before I go to art harris page from time to time. You all need to read the comments on his last article. I think it’s the last comment he is telling someone by the name of Megan that people are trying to trash Lindsy. GO look. It’s about Tommy’s shoes being thrown away. Lindsy is the one that stated that in one of the jailhouse tapes no one made that up.lol
GM all, I tried to email TooOleForYou@gmail.com to send the picture of the tattoo that is said to be on Chelsea’s foot with Haleigh’s name and a picture of an angel on it. I wanted to send it to Simon but have no way of doing so. For some reason I can’t even send him a message through this site. Who can forward pic’s to simon? You can contact me here and I will forward the picture to you. Thanks
bluesleuth1968@yahoo.com
Jaba
Also about Casey not planning on killing Caylee. I think the tape was placed on there after she died to look like a kidnapping. JMO
ky…i thought that for a while too…she was trying to cover her butt to jive with her kidnapping zanny the nanny story..
that would leave chloroform as cause of death or the household chemical concoction in the gatorade bottle…it’s very possible the duct tape was applied after she chemically killed her..that’s why baby couldn’t remove tape..she was already gone..or even choked her..i see killer doing that alone.
However, le has it’s theory which is also very likely..it can’t be both but since no cause of death, le’s theory supports cruel and heinous …the duct tape after the killing when we have no cause of death is one less agravating factor to support d.p. so they went with duct tape as possible cause of death and NOT an after thought
whenever the tape was applied…for what ever reason casey had…IT BACKFIRES EITHER WAY!!!
tamny – good points but how then do you explain all the computer searches on chloroform, missing kids, neck breaking and homemade household weapons just 3 months prior to caylees’ death?
If we could intertwine both a pre-med and the fact the child seemed to spend time post death in the trunk…i think it’s very possible that casey was planning the murder but was caught off guard in her rage the night cindy choked her and killed caylee as a result before her plan was totally complete!
BSJ – I agree with your observations – this is a strong argument on its own:
“I believe Ron would have cracked and found the person who did this if there was any chance of a stranger or person besides himself being involved in Haleighs abduction.”
JMO
Tommy’s hearing is tomorrow, the 13th, he said in one of those visits.
According to Tommys docket he is in court for his case and has plead not guilty but its a bench trial like Hopes (no jury) so we should hear how long he gets tommorow. Ron iis pleding not guilty with a jury trial so who knows when that will happen, we should know when this is put on his docket after tommorow.
Misty has until June 3. jmo
Jan57 said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 3:08 am
CAN YOU PLEASE LET IT GO!! Your words exactly were “what if it were YOUR SNOTTY NOSED KIDS”>>K
I have every right to post ( DID NOT BLAST ANYONE)TO have my opinion on the fact IT IS NOT LE’S RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE SNOTTY NOSED DRUGGIES OFF THE STREETS AND INTO A REHAB BED. THAT IS A FACT…THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. IF YOUR GONNA INSTIGATE YOU CAN’T PLAY THE VICTIM CARD!!!
NOW END IT!!!
I DID..I COMMENTED ON YOUR POST THIS MORNING..YOU IGNORED ME AND THEN I SEE YOU IN HERE AS A 3AM FLY BY TELLING STORIES..GAWD…
GET OVER IT!
he will only be sentenced if he pleads guilty, pleads no contest or is found guilty..non of that is happening tomorrow.
Then what exactly is going to happen? He has had his pre trial on the 31 of April and this is his bench trial. jmo
well if it is a bench trial, its a trial without a jury. The prosecution calls witnesses and presents their case, the defense does the same. I think if that were happening there would be more of a circus atmosphere because all the players would be there to testify. Thats assuming tommy’s lawyer is not a blithering idiot like Hope’s lawyer who led her to slaughter! She should be DISBARRED for what she did, pleading hope guilty as charged! What a SHYSTER!
ron can’t get the culprits, becasue they are too close to him.
The sticker does it for me. The heart sticker that was off a sticker sheet found in caseys room was on the duct tape over the mouth of Caylee.
The reported, unfounded, untraceable, zanny kidnapped the kid according to Casey.
She said she was kidnapped in a park and she was kidnapped after being dropped of zannys, which is it?
If the kidnap was staged she should have left off the sticker from her room. Or did zanny have the same stickers, or the meter reader, did he have the same stickers? No and no.
Our killer is fixing to be facing the dp for what she did.
Thanks Robin. Yes, they did catch them. I was in a van (yep) with 2 of them when it happened.
Jan, I think that we take so many things in this case as fact, that its hard to seperate what is real and what is not. Just because GMSykes said she went by there that day at that time, does not make it true. However, I also posted that, If GMSykes did go by and then Misty made the kids go to bed, then Misty could of started partying and passed out, Tommy could of slipped in the bedroom, did something to and or with Haleigh, then Misty woke up, Haleigh is gone, she feels responsible and panics. How will she explain what happened? So, she sets up the back door to cover for her self and protect herself from the wrath of Ron.
I went into more detail above on that.
However, I guess when it comes down to it, I think Tommy is the person who did something with Haleigh, I think Misty doesn’t know what happened to Haleigh, but she does know that she feels guilty and knows what she did to cover it up due to thinking it was her fault and I think Ron believes Misty and still does but knows Misty isn’t telling him everything about the events surrounding the disappearance that night.
I also think Timmy knows that Tommy took that van that night and tried to cover for him, but his story and Chelsea’s story didn’t match. Lyndsy has figured it out and wants divorced. He is trying to convince Lyndsy on the tape that he knows what he is doing when he is high (which tells me he doesn’t).
I truly believe that they will find Tommy guilty of this and that Misty is psychologically messed up due to her automatically thinking it was her fault and acting on her own guilt feelings by setting up an abduction scene to cover for herself when she knew nothing about what really happened. She had her suspicions though as time has gone on, and has given theories to police. Ron is guilty of not knowing what to think or do. He’s all over the map. I don’t think he did anything to Haleigh. He is just torn.
Those are my thoughts.
So when hope signs her documents on the plea, she is asked if she can read and write, and then signs up for 15 years, the lawyer is at fault, huh?
And the appeal on the wrongful sentence and the publicity that her appeal would garner on ng or ah, is where in the process?
MadJ. Can you tell me where to find that pic of Haleighs name on Chelseas foot?
St. Johns County
Date: 6/8/2010 (1:30 PM-5:00 PM) — Judge: BERGER, WENDY W — Main Event Type: FELONY PRETRIAL Location: Courtroom 328
CROSLIN, MISTY JANETTE Primary 10000141CFMA 1:30PM FELONY PRETRIAL
LFJ, I would like to see that too. I cant get over how these people have no money for anything but they keep getting tattoos. Guess thats more important then paying your bills. jmo
If she felt guilty that something happened, why would she think tommy did anything? Is he known at all for messing with kids?
If she was having a party, why not help ron by naming them? It would give more options as suspects. And what harm can come to her now? ron is away. If it wasn’t her or tommy then a party goer would be a prime suspect.
You know LE had told her along time ago, we don’t care if u were high or partying, we aren’t going to charge you with that if you didn’t harm the child, just tell us who was there. She says no one was, leaving her 3 feet from the kid at the last moment.
OJ’ Glove
I think Hope can get an appeal she said in phone call to her Mom that she didn’t understand. JMO
Hi – Madj emailed me a picture of the foot – I wish would could post pictures here. If you want to post your email addresses, I will email it to you.
And the strnager ex cop theory, is anyone heard anything more on that? Seems to be a specific claim. More than we have now. Seems quiet on that front.
Hi – Please send me an email if you want a copy of the Chelsea Tattoo picture: Jillphoto@live.com
ok when did the ex cop story come to light? Who is ( among the family ) talking about it if any …
I think she thinks Tommy did something because before she passed out Haleigh was ok and in her bed. She wakes up and Tommy and Joe, etc are gone from the house and Haleigh is gone. She doesn’t know where she is or who took her. She doesn’t know who would want to harm her. I think that the only people she would suspect at that point is Tommy or Joe. She knows (and says) they did stuff to her in the past. Also, Joe has a record. BUT, she because she doesn’t know what happned to Haleigh and she is feeling responsible for it, she thinks she is going to get blamed for all of it. She fears Ron. She sets the door up to look like an abduction took place. (she even mentions that this is how Tommy sets up the door…but I think she was actually saying that “look its legit, because this is how it is done all the time”)in an attempt to substantiate a possible abduction. I think Ron knew right off that night that Tommy and Joe were there earlier. He knew the TV guy had been there and possibly NayNay, his mother had came by and whoever else. Misty didn’t want to implicate them, so she makes it look like stranger abduction. Which unfortunately doesn’t pan out with Police. So the fingers point at everyone else. Again, Tommy had the prime opportunity.
Good morning don’t you think if she were covering for Ron she would have talked . She isn’t really that content where she’s at.and if Ron married her to keep her quite, if he had harmed Haliegh . I don’t think he would have divorced her.And she did say Ron wanted the divorce.
This is the Ron theory
C~A the ex-cop or retired cop sounds just like a movie I seen a few yrs back sounds just like this story plot . I have’nt read this theory that was on this blog but from I’ve seen about on here sounds just like the movie.
I think Misty has had her suspicions (theories) all along of what might of happened to Haleigh, but couldn’t come right out and say. She has hinted at it. She has said, you need to look at someone else. She has given the cops many theories of what she thinks.
I think on the LDT, the part she was lying about was the time line, the placing of the brick by the door, …. She may know in her mind that Tommy took Haleigh, but she can’t consciously differentiate the reality of it from what she experienced while on drugs that night. (Some people also have blackouts and can’t remember stuff). I think this is why they could never arrest her or charge her, because she didn’t do anything to Haleigh.
Jaba, I know Police told her she wouldn’t be charged if she just told how the events went, etc., but she is a child. It’s like a parent telling a child, just tell me what you did and you won’t get in trouble. You tell and they beat the crap out of you anyway. Maybe in her mind she knows that she will be punished for something she didn’t do. After all, she lets it be known that she was the one that got punished for telling on people who molested her.(classic sign of abuse as a child). This is learned behavior. She trusts no one.
Newson hope sykes:
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Circuit Judge Terry LaRue said he ordered the minimum mandatory sentence because Sykes sold drugs within weeks of being released from jail on an earlier drug charge. Sykes had been out of jail less than two weeks on a possession charge when she was arrested in the trafficking case, which LaRue said disqualified her for youthful offender consideration that would have meant a much shorter sentence. “I don’t want to live this life no more,” Sykes said before LaRue imposed the sentence. She admitted making light of the first arrest after she was let out of jail on her own recognizance. “I thought, ‘OK, the drugs are still out there,’ ” she said. LaRue said the youthful offender statute is for young people who are pressured or led astray by peers. “That’s not the case here,” he said. The later charge was more serious than a second possession arrest.“What she did was engage in trafficking,” he said. He imposed the sentence and fined Sykes $250,000 after an hour of testimony by her family and others. Sykes and her family were clearly shaken and tears ran as her mother buried her face in her hands. More than half a dozen people spoke in Sykes’ behalf, which her attorney, Marcella Beeching, told the judge attested to a “fantastic support system.” Sykes needed drug rehabilitation and did not have a serious criminal record, her attorney said. “There is no violence in her background,” Beeching said. Prosecutor Jacquelyn Roys requested the minimum mandatory sentence and said Sykes was an active participant in the drug sale. Roys also played the recorded jail call for the judge, with Sykes profanely railing against any stiff sentence. “Well, stupid us if we let her out, because she already told us what was going to happen,” Roys said.
Beeching has 30 days to appeal the sentence.
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Not a single person can be believed because they have changed their stories at least once. Even GGSykes, at first she claims Misty was so exhausted. Then recently she changed that to she was fine when she dropped the clothes off.
Also Misty being the great girlfriend took a nose dive recently with the arrest of Ron. Makes you wonder why all the lies??? jmo
Maybe in Misty’s mind if she says “Yes, Tommy did something to Haleigh that night”, she thinks that her Parents will come forward and say, “there she goes again, blaming her brother for something he didn’t do”. This is what she has heard all her life I bet. Even that ignorant GMHollars came on NG making shocking statements “if she was sexually abused by Joe, she must of liked it”. This is how they think because they are uneducated, esp. about sexual abuse.
Says a lot to me as to why she is the way she is. Dropped out of school 6th grade, doing drugs, sleeping with anyone and everyone, and trust no one.
Ex cop theory = made up for shock value and an attempt to explain it is so far fetched and without basis that no one who believs or says is willing to make a fool of themselves by offering up any sort of evidence.
You would think that one would want police or fbi to check on that theory, that would mean she could be alive.
I think its just shock value for the purpose of shock value.
Yes, they all lie Tobias. It’s human nature, everyone lies. And for one reason or the other. Are all lies evil? Are all lies meant to cover something up? Or are they meant to harm someone else? Or are they meant to protect someone else or protect your self? People tell lies to be nice sometimes.
I think Misty lied for several reasons. The biggest lie was to claim stranger abduction because she doesn’t know what happened to Haleigh. Next, I think she lied about setting that back door up so no one would suspect her. (after all, she was considered the responsible party). Next, I think she told a lot of theories of what coud of possibly been and those were taken as lies. (of course the media takes those things and makes them fact and destorts our thinking).
At this point, this poor little misty, who no doubt had no chance of success, but this is the life of Haleigh, and she loves the kids like her own, as she says, so after all the clean drug free time she has had, she still stonewalls and lies and blames others.
She can turn it around now. Nobody is going to hurt her anymore in prison for keeping quiet or telling the truth about all of what happened. As a good lawyer will tell you, “tell me all the good and all the bad so I can respresent you the best way I can.”
I believe if you lie when a little girl is missing and the lie causes her not to be found or the one responcible it is evil. And everyone of them have lied and caused this to become the mess it is. jmo
I just want to say; I enjoy everyone’s posts even the ones that I do not agree with. I have stated many times over it gives me more food for thought. I do get a little miffed when misinformation or lies are posted as facts, but, know that it is not intentional or if it is it will soon be addressed and corrected.
In the past few weeks many thing have surfaced an actually give us a few more things to consider and ponder.
The fact that Ron and Crystal where served subpoenas the week before HaLeigh’s abduction
to appear in court is interesting when you consider the timing of the fight between Ron and Misty. We have heard that Ron and Crystal where talking as well that week before Haleigh’s abduction. It is it to far of a reach to think that Ron and Misty where fighting over Ron and Crystal talking?
Ron stated that no one knew where he lived ,but, Nay Nay and he was under the impression that is who Misty was with that weekend and did not discover Misty’s truthfully activities until ever thing was exposed and made known to media after HaLeigh’s abduction.
We also have heard that Nay Nay and Misty ran into and Misy had words with Amber Brooks that weekend and that they have had bad blood between the two since Misty met Ron.
Now jumping a head to the arrests of Amber and Nay Nay and the involvement of Cobra and Kim P.
We see that Nay Nay and Amber are buddies and defiantly are struggling with their addictions and bad decisions and are caught up into the “private” investigation of HalLeigh’s abduction. Nay Nay tells a wild tale of sex and drugs and IMO puts the hot spot light directly on her BFF Misty. Amber is not heard from nor is she seen. I found it odd that the one hat Misty considered a friend rolled on her for Cobra and Kim on camera and audio, but, her known enemy is silent.
Better yet Nay Nay’s bond is revoked soon there after and picked back up by Cobra and escorted back to jail and within a day Amber turns herself back in and is bonded out by a well known Bail Bonds not affiliated with Cobra.
Jump a head again to Tommy’s and Hank Sr. fight and LE is called to the Tyler street address again. We find out that Nay Nay is hanging with Misty during a time that the Croslin are under LE microscope.
IMO all of this is relevant to the hidden truth and the secrets that people have and are and have been willing to keep.
Great post Texas Mom!!!!!
I have seen that said alot about Crystal and Ron talking about geting back together and no one has ever showed any proof of it. Makes me believe it was added to a theory and somehow became a fact. jmo
All mistsy doings and revelation point away from her. Natural reaction from suspected criminals hung up on a low evidenced case.
Kid dies, no bloody mess, nothing to clean up. Wrapped up and carried out the door and disposed of. No forensics found due to lack of violence.
I do not think misty was alone on this. She would have to have had help is she was awake during the incident and I think she was.
She may have lied to ron, no doubt. She didn’t want to die on the spot. She makes up the propped door kidnapping scenario and ron can’t prove anything.
This didn’t need to be a long drawn out disposal. 20 minutes maybe after they leave the mh and come back.
And mistys phone is switched off. she could silence the ringer or just not answer. Why is the phone turned off?to avoid pings but still have a communication device in case its needed.
So, asleep, with no phone on. Hmmmmm…kind of smells funny to me.
It is just a thought…
I doubt Ron would take Crystal back with Chloe.
Also Crystal and Chad were in the process of getting married. jmo
The biggest lie was to claim stranger abduction because she doesn’t know what happened to Haleigh. Next, I think she lied about setting that back door up so no one would suspect her. (after all, she was considered the responsible party). Next, I think she told a lot of theories of what coud of possibly been and those were taken as lies.
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There is only one version of the truth! Even if it’s painfull one does NOT lie in this type of scenario where we have a missing/murdered child if they have nothing to hide.
There are parents who had abducted children who DON’T LIE cause they don’t know what happened and they were NOT held accountable. However, when you see one with many diff versions of the truth, how can you entertain the idea that she is lying cause she doesn’t KNOW?
sAME thing with casey…if it was an accident..and she panicked..lost her mind..she would have come clean a long time ago.
If it were accident with misty…come clean a long time ago.
Misty doesnt’ know…but panicked and set up an abduction scene because she was scared…she would have come clean a long time ago.
Since, I don’t know or an accident is far far better then being suspected of having something to do with haleighs missing or caylees death.
With no confessions 2 years later for caylee and 15 months with haleigh, both with a lot of prison time to clear their heads and come clean…
I’d say the lies are to cover the ugly truth of what they know…sticking it out and hope for the best.
I wish there were away we could no for sure that foot with the tatoo is Chelsea. It would make more since if it were Misty.
Tobias and Jaba, yes I totally agree. Texas Mom, yes, those are all things to consider and I hope these people would not take their revenge for someone else out on Haleigh. I know they are all druggies and liars, but I just can’t picture them doing something to Haleigh over it. Tommy I can, especially in a drug induced craze. Remember, he says on the jail tape he needs his pills!! He is trying to convince himself that he knows what he does while on them. (that speaks volumes to me and says he doesn’t want to remember what he knows he did).
So that is true TexMom,I wasnt sure,ty they were served?
I lost my internet connection last night guys,sorry
I am not buying that they where getting back togther either, but, I could imagine that some would be upset if they knew that Ron and Crystal where talking about working things out (-$ back pay?) and Misty was throwing a kink in the plan.
Misty and Ron making up could of pissed someone off.
Cathyjo did you get the foot tatoo ?
JenM said,in May 12th, 2010 at 10:20 am Maybe in Misty’s mind if she says “Yes, Tommy did something to Haleigh that night”, she thinks that her Parents will come forward and say, “there she goes again, blaming her brother for something he didn’t do”. This is what she has heard all her life I bet. Even that ignorant GMHollars came on NG making shocking statements “if she was sexually abused by Joe, she must of liked it”. This is how they think because they are uneducated, esp. about sexual abuse.
Says a lot to me as to why she is the way she is. Dropped out of school 6th grade, doing drugs, sleeping with anyone and everyone,
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Thats True,Remember hank told misty in the video he KNEW tommy did NOTHING!
NO lINDA,THO I AM DYING TO SEE IT,I SEARCHED GOOGLE,YOU NAME IT?
sorry again,caps….grr
i never had trouble finding things,lol till now.
Linda,i see where Vaq posted it,ty! gonna look
She could tell LE she was scared of ron and made some things up so he wouldn’t harm her or leave her, and they would have bought it based his attitude and history.
I can believe he had her under his thumb big time. Its the way he rolls.
But as I’m sure she’s thought of, been told by lawyers and jail buddies and family, tell it ALL and at least get to even on the truth meter.
Seems like the easy way out to say ” I don’t know” and let somebody prove it. Our system will attempt to do that.
Tex, Even if Ron and Crystal got back together the state of florida would still want the child support paid.
The people who were mad that Misty and Ron made up were his family. They stated it recently that they were mad that she left and werent too happy when she came back. jmo
Cathy Jo, I forgot about that. Yes, I believe Hank Sr. was pulling his, ‘I know Tommy didn’t anything wrong’ routine on her. Her own mother says she thinks Misty is lying. Then GMHollars makes her out to be someone who likes sexual abuse. This whole family is sick.
I think Misty beleives that if she tells what really happened, no one is going to beleive her. It is much much easier to stage the abduction, keep Ron loving her, and then tell the police to look elsewhere in hopes they will catch Tommy on their own. Lord knows she has given them enough hints.
OMG,Now theres sommin up with that,anyone know if its Chelsea’s or some other NON RELATED peron?
Here you go Jill posted it this moring only pr
jillphoto@live.com
oblem is we can’t be sure it’s Chelsea foot .
MY GOD it covers her whole dang foot,like HEYYYYYY….I’M OVER HERE!!!
well.if its king tuts paw what the devil is he doing with Haleighs name covering his whole foot?
Tommy is not guilty of hurting HaLeigh or disposing of her body. Misty was not home and has lied to cover her own butt. Tommy knew she was not home and even said so to LE. LE has never believed she was home and has campaigned for the truth from the public.
Tommy nor Misty know who took HaLeigh.. their guess was from the beginning Joe and LE ruled him out at one point and IMO he is till not a suspect.
So in truth Misty and Tommy could of told the truth from the beginning and IMO this investigation would of been over months ago.
no pun intended period believe me but Megan Maxwell from newport tn is missing,was my daughters neighbor?? Maybe i should go down and get her name tattooed on my foot so they caN FIND HER? WTH??
Where is the photo? Cathy email it to me!
If it not one thing its another.
JenM said,in May 12th, 2010 at 10:59 am Cathy Jo, I forgot about that. Yes, I believe Hank Sr. was pulling his, ‘I know Tommy didn’t anything wrong’ routine on her. Her own mother says she thinks Misty is lying. Then GMHollars makes her out to be someone who likes sexual abuse. This whole family is sick.
I think Misty beleives that if she tells what really happened, no one is going to beleive her. It is much much easier to stage the abduction, keep Ron loving her, and then tell the police to look elsewhere in hopes they will catch Tommy on their own. Lord knows she has given them enough hints.
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yES jEN,IT WAS WHEN HE TOLD HER NOT TO BE LYING TOO??
She’d be scared just for that!
I think too Jen,thats why she sounded the way she did in the 911,she may have even been staging the scene when ron pulled in that night,and she feared for her life,i just don’t know,my theory changes every second of the day anymore! sooooooo i explore all of em!
Nice chatting today with everyone. Talk to you all again soon.
oh,ok sorry Adams,brb!
IMO the trailer was not staged. Misty had enough knowledge to at least make it look more like a break in. She also would of not had to look at the door during the 911 call to see if it looked like they broke in. JMO
Jenm,
That sounds plausible, it really does. But in totality with all I’ve seen or read, its to easyan escape with things like the 911 call, the timing, etc…but you have a line of thinking that would be hard to prove without significant forensics and a corroborating story someone is willing to swear to in court.
We should see some movement on tommy tomorrow that may gives a little ‘fix’ so to speak.
done Adams,lol
stagine i mean the brick and tearing out closets etc..
Misty stated that she thought Ron had came home and had HaLeigh. She asked him when he arrived home that evening if Ron had HaLeigh. Does anyone remember when she stated this? I will have to do my digging this evening if I need to.
Thanks CathyJo!
I ask who all would know Misty was not home that night positively? Misty and her BFF(?), Tommy and the abductor.
Fake search and Nay Nay’s keys come to mind.
Why do we believe LDT test when they have proved to be wrong time and time again . The GF of Jessica Lungford didn’t pass the test maybe they could have found her alive before she sufficated . And does anyone remember the game show that came out on tv.? that show didn’t last to long their test results caused alot of pain from people who tested wrong. The show shut down.
JillF is the photo of just a foot? Is it confirmed that it was indeed Chelseas foot?
If I believe that she wasn’t home: I can understand misty being gone theory and when she gets home, one kid is gone. She did panic, anyone would have. She left kids unattended and one was ‘stolet’.
She has her phone off. But suppose he can’t get ahold of her and comes home early and finds the kids all alone or calls his mom to go by and finds them alone, you don’t think her ass is grass at that point with ron?
How would she know he wouldnt send somebody else over.
Didn’t he say he called tommy to go over? Don’t know where proof of him saying that is, but I think I recall that being reported. Anyway, tommy says he went over and then recants. So why wouldn’t he do what ron asks. Did ron tell anyone tommy said no to ron? Did tommy ever say he talked to ron that night and didn’t he report back to ron.
Did tommy go by and have to help misty with something that happened?
Doesn’t anyone find it odd that nothing concerning Ron has been released since that first week? There is a reason for it, and it’s because he is not considered a POI AT ALL. His whole involvement in the “stupid waste of time middle school drug bust” was a farce. He is not going to serve ANY TIME because he didn’t do anything. Don’t believe everything you see.
Why did Ron request to be placed in General Population AFTER the case was upgraded to a HOMICIDE?? There’s only one reason imo, and that’s so he could “mingle” and talk and get information to and from.
I totally believe in Ronald, and his innocence; but I firmly suspect from all sorts of info we have gathered from so many sources including himself, that it’s obvious he has a big history of dealing, and I mean more than just a neighborhood thing. He is not stupid, and he is definitely not naive to go as far as to be CONNED by a UC sting. (especially putting the pills in little “baggies” hahaha!!) Does anyone honestly think that Ron would do ANY TYPE OF DEALING with people he didn’t know?? It just doesn’t happen that way!!
Geez people, the man had an ASSAULT RIFLE!!!
WHY? There’s only one reason=PROTECTION.
And for anyone who thinks that man can’t hold himself in prison….hahahahahahah!!! Once again, the man had an ASSAULT RIFLE!!
think.
I was watching the VA test that Misty had taken for Tim Miller. At about 6:00 the examiner asks her if she had anything to do with Haleigh going missing and MIsty replies no, nothing to do with her going missing. On the screen of the computer you can see the result change from something (can’t read it) but when she answers that question it then says TRUTH.
I had never noticed that before. To bad they didn’t film the screen the entire time so we could see what she was being deceptive on and what she was being truthful on.
Oh well enough food for thoughts from me. I am still a pit bull and will not let go until the end.
CA, Monster(Casey)deserves no ones attention and is why true justice for Caylee has not been given already!!! When we as the public give Casey our undivided attention and hang on her every move it does not give Caylee swift Justice. I can not stomach it and will not give MONSTER anything. The State of Florida can take it from here and it is with great confidence that I walk away and know the DA will get Caylee Justice.
yw Adams,did you get it?
What troubles me most in this case is why do the Lies start right from the time Haleigh got off the school bus. People other than family saw Haleigh @ 3:30pm. Noone to my knowledge other than a Croslin or Cummings saw Haleigh after she left the bus stop.
Misty said she thought ron came home or had haleigh?
How does that jive? She said she was home all night and she thinks ron comes home between 1030 and 2 and took haleigh somewhere?
That’s strange. Hadn’t heard that before.
why lie? The one i watched the first time showed all that?
Misty was caught in the middle of her brothers, nasty cousin, and her love for Ron.
Keep it real…(lol) Any trail would lead back to Ron b/c of his history and/or connections, which was something that Ron knew should definitely NOT BE REVEALED unless done very carefully and confidentially so it wouldn’t become a media circus of drugs instead of Haleigh.(which is why Geraldo Rivera got kicked off the property!!) It would have given away any leads that they had, and also make some very major dangerous folks very very angry.
You don’t talk. If u talk, then everyone starts tumbling down.
Looking,me too…I am leaning toward no one saw her after she got off the school bus?
why didn’t AS or Misty mention it before that she came with laundry,cause they had too?? for what reason? to protect somebody?
CJ the one I watched this morning was from clickorlando. I don’t remember where I had watched it originally but I had never really noticed the screen being shown with the results. Maybe I was listening more then watching back then.
another thing that really bothers me is why ronald didn’t go out the back door first to look? instead he looked under beds when Misty already had?
your daughters missing and the back door was propped open?
oh ok…..well gee calm down lets go look under the beds again!
not likely anybody put a brick there to carry her out? sheeeeeesh
Jaba, I know she said it and it was on video or audio I can not remember. I will be glad to do the digging tonight.. I should be doing chores outside and have stayed to long as it is.LOL
lol WhyLie,understand that,I do it often,lol but was just saying so you know there is one SOMEwhere,lol
I’m damns sure saying he can’t hold himself in prison. You are telling me that little ron stands a chance against the big boys? Hell no, don’t fool yourself. Prison isn’t just a fight, people will stomp your head.
I like the boldness of thing ron won’t do any time, but I find that hard to believe. we’ll see though he may be one hell of UC himself.
ron wanted to be in gen pop to get out of 22 hour confinement and maybe a chance to play some b-ball.
Imo
I think Ron was busy getting rid of pills at the time the 911 was going on. He knew they would be all over that MH and area so his stash was going to be found. If he was concerned about finding Haleigh and who took her he would have gotten his gun and gone off searching for the guy. jmo
out the back door Tobias?? lol
When you speak of the excop theory, I think you are refering to something that someone awhile back stated as a theory…only forgot to state t as an opinion, not fact. Ojsglove, was that you that thought that? can’t remember.but do know that it was an opinion of someones. also, just for the record: It was not a tv guy that came to the mh that evenng, It was the AC guy.
You bet that would be where I would head and armed too. Ron said he would kill the guy but stands there and waits for the cops??? Goes to water instead of acting with his gun? Claims later that he said Joes name on the 911 but didnt go after him? Something is sooooo wrong with the 911 call and Ron. jmo
Neighbors saw Haleigh at approx 5pm riding her bike, just as Misty had stated. Ggma Sykes confirmed she saw both children when she delivered the laundry. Tommy places himself and kids there at approx 5pm also, and neighbors corraborated this.
Misty stated that when she “woke up” she maybe thought that Haleigh had gotten up because Ron had gotten home from work, something like that, I remember.
One thing I am puzzled about, I know that Tommy recanted his phone story, but I am positive I remember that phone records confirmed that Ron called the Croslin house. (didn’t PCSO confirm this? Or did they lie too?) I always knew there was no way Tommy went out there for that reason. I say he made that up also for the reason to place himself there at that time (10pm) in case a neighbor saw or heard anything. (because he really was there)
You know Cathy when Misty first stated who was at the home the night Haleigh disappeared she never mentioned GGSykes , aunt Lisa and Joe Overstreet. None of these names never came out of her mouth in the beginning. It was at least 10 days or more for these names were brought up after Haleighs disappearance.
If ron can sneak an assault rifle in the pen, then I’d say that makes ron King.
I’m afraid though, that SWAT or ERT’s would have to cut him in half for having illegal contraband in the bunk area:)
The first statement from GGSykes was there was on Feb. 19th. its in a video. jmo
exactly right Looking,why would Haleighs blood relatives lie? to protect another imo……..when they had too!
Misty would have told AS had been there?
Tommy recanted going to the mh between 9:30 – 9:45pm; not the phone call from Ronald. Rons lawyer said that Ron called Tommy @ 9Pm. This is only 30 minutes after Mistys phone is shut off.
Ron is not guilty of harming or killing his daughter an that is why he is in general population IMO.The case is heading in the right direction IMO and Tommy and Misty will be held accountable for their lies.
I truly believe that their still is a whole lot of unknown players that have came to light since the search at the river.
It was just a matter of time and the guilty would let down their guard and made a little mistake and LE was waiting and watching all along.
SKB has stated Tommy helped and Misty is guilty of child endangerment. Tommy’s lawyer has stated Tommy is innocent. Misty’s attorney has also sated Misty is not the one and LE needs to look else where. Joe attorney claims his client is innocent and is being framed.
Cystal’s attorney claims the family is cooperating with LE and does not wish to be contacted.
LE basically discredited SKB claim that he solved the case, but, did not deny that Tommy and others are talking now.
IMO if they had all the guilty behind bars then charges would of already been filed.
BBL
maybe to set Tommy up too? get him there!
The thing is that Misty never placed Joe Overstreet as being there the night Haleigh disappeared until well later. On NG Ron states adamantly that the cousin was not there that night.
I mean its obvious every one of them are lying and i am gonna investigate every one of them and their actions too? none of us know whose innocent and who isn’t?
If ron had said Yes,i’ve used drugs,yes i sold drugs then i’d believe him,if not more reason for me to question everything he says…or any other one!
misty was getting progressively better with her amnesia of who was there 10 days after the fact.
Any theory so specific as to person form a specific career and specific loss of life in their own, you would think it would be more than just a feeling.
Okay has anyone lost a child for a short time in a store? I have and you dont stand around sobbing and whining you are in search mode, almost a frenzy like panic, yelling the kids name. Utter panic no time to think about crying. But on the 911 tape Ron is not even thinking that way he is already crying and sobbing. jmo
cathyjoe, will you emal t to me too? my addy is
tmt4lb@yahoo.com. thanks sista’!
tobias said,in May 12th, 2010 at 11:49 am The first statement from GGSykes was there was on Feb. 19th. its in a video. jmo
exactly Tobias,why would they EVEN WANT TO LIE? I know i wouldn’t,if i wasn’t at my daughters house when a crime happened,why later say i was?
to protect someone i care about.hmmmmmmm
Tobias you are correct
tobias
at the very begining of the 911 call you can hear Ron calling HaLeighs name in the back ground and I believe they where outside.
I have to go and do not want to.LOL
I would love to see where this convo goes today. BBL and catch up.
sure me,brb
sent me!
ahaaaaaaaa,so i ain’t the only one who noticed that Tobias!
good morning! (still morning here in CA)
interesting that ron has opted for a jury trial for his drug charges. it is often counseled that people facing felony criminal charges should always opt for a jury trial, rather than a trial before the judge.
however, it has been said that the drug bust itself was a “tool” to further along the haleigh case. if so, i wonder about the possibility of ron’s jury trial being used as a “tool” as well. perhaps playing on the sympathies of the jury in the drug case, as the poor father of the missing 5 yr old, will, in their way of thinking, sway the jury’s opinion, bring lesser charges, or a lesser sentence.
jmo
jmo
who cares when Mrs Sykes told the press? That means absolutely nothing. LE’s time line starts after she was there not before, so I guess they believe she was there, plus Jr. would know if his granny came by or not. Not like she came alone she was with someone so they are not just going by her word
I have heard all the 911 tapes ,even the enhanced versions I have never heard him yell for Haleigh. I heard him yelling at Misty. I heard him moving around in the mh. Looking for his phone to call more important people. I dont hear Junior at all which I find odd. Why even hang up on 911 there are two phones Rons and Mistys. jmo
So I wonder;
ron calls tommy at 9, 30 minutes after we know her phone shuts off. So for misty to shut it off at 930 is ron pestering her with calls in that 30 minutes and she finally turns it off? I’d love to see the phone records and times of calls.
Why wouldn’t ron call tommy back after awhile if tommy didn’t call him back?
Did tommy say ‘ hell no, I aint leaving the house’ to ron then thought he could go over and steal something and then something happened to Haleigh.
Do we know jo’s alibi for that night between say 7 pm and 4 am?
Toughcookie that is exactly what it is!!!! I hope the jury sees through his BS.
Since LE had the time line starting at 7 – 7:30 my guess is that LE did know that GS and a companion were at the MH that night and the time. Just because they did not release that info to the public does not mean it was lied about to LE. I am sure there was a lot going on in those early days that the public was not privy to, like them throwing JO under the bus from day one, but the public did not know about it until Misty blurted it out on national tv and then again when the van was returned to Lindsy
good point Tough! prolly!
jaba: yeah, the b-ball thing, maybe. Props to that!! But, really, from what we have seen from Ron, it makes me suspicious that IMMEDIATELY AFTER hearing his daughter’s case is changed to homicide, he all of a sudden wants to make some friends and socialize? C’mon, now!!
Ron is sneaky, and he is just like PCSO. Whenever they get quiet, SOMETHINGS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
Oh, the assault rifle thing, I didn’t Ron had it in jail, he had it at his house. He was showing it off. That was the “prized gun” that Jerky Joe wanted.(what a tool he is,huh?)
That is why Joe went to Ron’s that night. He had Tommy in on it to help him get entrance into the mh, and offered Tommy a cut of some sort prolly thru drugs or profits. (I’m surprized Joe didn’t knock on door and ask for some flour or sugar, he is so dumb) Tommy imo definitely didn’t have any indication that Haleigh would ever have gotten hurt or taken, or harmed in any way. I think Jerky Joe Mr. “I can’t imagine the pain their going thru ididn’tdoit!” used Tommy. Now Tommy’s involved, and of course Misty too.
and also Tobias,i thoought tn said he was on phone with her during mistys 911 call?
Vaq,it means alot to me,it was very important to KNOW WHO was there the day Haleigh went missing,no one said her name whatsoever,how do you get thats not important?
they sure made it known JO WAS JUST IN TOWN????? not at the mh……..just in town?imo
I never heard Ron call out for Haleigh. Ron was loud and he wanted 911 to hear everything he had to say! Tobias I never heard Jr. either and in Mistys hypnosis vid. She states Jr. was freaking out too. How come he was not heard on the 911 in the background with all the commotion going on?
CathyJo63 said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 11:34 am
Looking,me too…I am leaning toward no one saw her after she got off the school bus?
why didn’t AS or Misty mention it before that she came with laundry,cause they had too?? for what reason? to protect somebody?
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then why isn’t LE’s time line earlier? So I guess Capt Schauland lied about Ron picking her up and the neighbors lied about seeing her outside and since the AC guy is cleared(who is not Ron’s cousin’s ex)he must of lied to LE also, and Santos who doesn’t know the difference between Chelsea and Misty lied about Haleigh getting off the bus, and Chelsea lied about her getting off the bus..
jaba,or was she not supposed to answer,so tommy could be placed at the mobile home,or jo?
vaq,i don’t care about that,my point was,its very important to know who had been there,why did AS or Misty not say,yes AS saw Haleigh that day till what 9 days later??
Why would the bus driver lie about Misty picking up Haleigh in the blue van? Jerry Santos as well. There was also an older man who wanted to remain anonymous that also gave testatament that it was Misty. Perhaps Shauland did not want Ron to know at that time they ( LE ) knew the truth. Ron in the tapes of he and Cobra says he dropped her off at the bus stop that morning and picked her up that afternoon. We all know for a fact Ron did not drop her at the bus stop that morning. Ron cannot even keep it straight.
and ron lied that he got her off????
even adding he broke the law letting her drive home in his lap? why did he add that,did someone see her in his lap? the dcs is on him anyway and he tells that??
Tommy said he wanted a judge. What’s he thinking? A judge is trained more at judging guilt or innocence than the average lay person jury member.
I’m sure their is a reason he thinks that it will be better for him.
If ron is a plant, he sure is going the extra mile to find out what happened.
I would think that they’d want to have rons trial after misty if he was in on this dealing sting so when misty is done, he just walks.
He can’t hide the fact of being in on it if he is actually on trial.
And how is being in gen pop going to help him find Haleigh or what happened to her?
A prisoner who knew anything about what happened is going to police to cut a deal for themselves rather than give it to ron for free.
Police can gather jail talk about it, if any, through their snitches. And pipeline, they don’t need ron doing it in a place where they can’t really protect him. They would be liable if he got hurt.
exactly right Looking,why the lie with added detail? did someone see something with Haleigh in his lap? sorry but i question it all once i’m lied too??
Thanks Cathyjoe! Yer the mom wth the bomb!!! no wait…yer the bomb! lol
Looking for Justice thanks!! I’m really starting to forget so much. Too much going on. So, then the phone call is real (of course, My Ron doesn’t lie) but Tommy lied about going there.
So, this just makes me wonder, why do people want to insinuate Ron in this? If he called the Croslin home 30 minutes after Misty’s phone turned off, then that PROVES he is concerned. But, that doesn’t mean he would suspect his child was taken, maybe just trying to find out what she’s doing and why she won’t answer. It probably just royally p***ed him off. I have a bad temper and I do the same thing. I have even made phone calls from my daughter’s phone just to make my husband answer.
Here’s a picture of the tattoo for those that missed it..
http://imm.io/tpo
looking for Justice said,in May 12th, 2010 at 11:53 am The thing is that Misty never placed Joe Overstreet as being there the night Haleigh disappeared until well later. On NG Ron states adamantly that the cousin was not there that night.
Right,and made sure everyone knew he was in town!
*cathyjo* ~
i’ve always said “truth is shorter then fiction”…in other words, much of the time, when so many details are added to something; its usually a sign that its a lie.
jmo
But you have to consider the fact she just came back and in my opinion could not be trusted, so if you cant reach her its twice as bad and if he didnt know what was going on he would have left work.jmo
but forgot the one person who did see Haleigh? got disconnected there,sorry
Ronfan, why call Tommy if he is so concerned in only 30 minutes? I understand after 20 plus calls that it shows a sense of concern. Why not call his mom or granmother to go and check? Go home on his hour lunch and check things out for himself?
thats exactly right Tough,thats my motto too,i woulkd have way more respect for ron if he said,I am so sorry but yes,i did drugs,i sold them too……then i wouldn’t ? him?
and if he’d admit thats what got his dtr “stole” sheeesh!
Cathy Joe, Ron does not lie. (atleast not in my mind) oh, and Mizz Nancee’s) So, from now on, let it be known, it is the law of the blog that Ron the king does not lie. Thank you. (lol) geez am i brainwashed, or what?
Gotta quit sending my boy boxers and $$, and those chocolate chip cookies and fancy imported waters. Not to mention the cases of bud.
*Now seriously, what about Miss perfect Chelsea with her statement of seeing Ron pick up Haleigh? She even included some bogus thing about Ron having his window rolled up, so she couldn’t see Haleigh after she got in the truck with Ron! ?? (makes me think of the…Blankets!! Why include something about a window being rolled up? (But she def. stated on Nancy Grace that it was Ronald who picked her up.) If she states it was Ronald who picked her up, why does she think its pertinent info to say something about windows?
i think if he had a jusry would even have sympathy but heck,he didn’t care to go to prison to take out the piece of trash as he said,so why nor admit,yes i did drugs,soldem”but i am sorry and i need help to find her!
Cathy, Thats what really could have happened too. Someone came looking for their drugs that Ron or Misty stole and Haleigh gets knocked around. Then when Ron calls at 8 she tells him and he calls Tommy to go help Misty with everything. jmo
he doeesn’t lie,I am sorry but whose in the uc tapes selling and taking pills?
what did he say to Geraldo?
I admit, with ron, at first and even now, feel sorry he lost a kid, that has to be awful no matter how ‘hard’ you are.
For me, its just the way he walks. Anyone trying to be that bad ass with his background usually just aint that bad ass. If he knew you’d killed or took his kid, like any father, he’d find the wherewithall to break your neck or die trying. But all the other bravado, I’m not sure its not just the peacock effect. Show big and hope the threat goes away and leaves.
I mean who has he beat up? Teenage girls, possibly, Haleigh(per dcf) possibly, tommy?
ron does not equal ronbo, first blood part 5.
exactly right Tobias,anything could have!!!!!!!
and all have lied which makes me ? all?
Chelsea is getting caught in her lies as well. I am starting to believe she knoews alot more than she wants LE to find out. It may very well include her husband, Timmy. It is fact that Misty trusted and looked up to Timmy;not Tommy.
oh,lol ?=question
oops! knows
I don’t trust Chelsea as far as i could sling her either!
right Looking,and especially if thats her tatoo,who does that,they’re not related?
everyday somebody else gets a new tatoo for cryin out loud!
ronbo!rofl
and too,his mugshot all smiling!
i agree about chelsea being caught up. i’ve always believed that the wives of TC and TiC have known at least a little something of what has gone on. at first, when chelsea started doing interviews and guest appearances, i thought perhaps she was electing herself as a uninvolved family spokesperson.
however, i think she has spoken TOO often. she has said too much. and that makes it seem that she definitely knows more then just a little…
jmo
Good reason for Timmy never to come back to Florida. I still wonder what he was going to go to Federal prison for? I wonder if this was when they lived in Flagler? I havent seen any arrests for him so maybe he was 17 at the time? jmo
which in the end if i am wrong and he gets em and he was an informant and he did it to get misty or whoever,then yea,i’ll get the smiling smirk then!
My question is why is the tattoo on her foot? Does she feel the need to hide it?
i don’t think i’d wanna go to florida Tobias and if i get stupid and do i pray i foregt to drink water!
right looking,exactly my point? and not even related!
Robin: what do u think of the Darlie Routier case? I am familiar with the Sells case,too.
I also have thought the same thing about Ron aluding to the Sheffield thing, and especially after he was jailed when he said to his mother something about Crystal “moving” and 2 or 3 people being involved and moving all over ie to Montana. Strange. I go from Cousin Joe to M. Sheffield. back and forth. I still can’t let go of that Sheffield link. But I have always questioned Cousin Joe mainly because of his timeline and the HALEIGH SIGHTING IN TN.
also Chelsea pointed to the same spot they searched before anyone knew?
A few days ago I was reviewing past interviews and the one with Jerry (the guy who always saw ron at the busstop) He states specifically that he saw Ron drop Haleigh off that morning He remembers because Ron almost ran into him and his kid by scidding the car. and he states that Ron came over to his house later that afternoon to talk with him about DCF (because Jerrys father was the one investigating Ron)
my question is the whole day by their account was a lie and why lie before HaLeigh goes missing, I believe their was stuff going on from the weekend before.
is the middle finger toe longer then the thumb toe?
If it is I don’t wanna see it.
Hiya Chakra,where ya been? good to see you!
Right I think Chelsea has always Known more and the tatoo is confirmation jmo
I can see that possible too Chakra! atleast right after the bus!
I have watched both cases since day one and get so annoyed with the system and protecting “their” rights. What happened to the dead girl’s rights? Where are the rest of the families, aunts, uncles, etc. No one can come forth with information? If they could pull it off they should somehow give them a truth serum/roofie cocktail” Wait for them to start taking, ask questions, write down the details, investigate and put them all on death row. They would not remember the questioning and it would finally put an end to this nightmare.
my sister n laws is OJ,I’ll get her to send ya a nice 8×10! if ya want? lol
missed you to Cathy, been readin but stayin on the downlow lol
Chakara7, In that video he was talking to Ron about his reckless driving and this vid was done due to the Geraldo interview and he wanted Jerrys dad to speak with Geraldo on how a good father he was. Ron did not drop Haleigh at the bus stop the day she disappeared. He drove her to school and Misty walked her to her classroom and Haleigh was also tardy for school that day.
*ronfan* ~ i realize you were asking *robin*, but i have been following the darlie routier case since the beginning, have even written her in jail. that case is something else…
Not being likable is not a crime and I can’t leap to convict ron based on that for sure.
Evening everyone,lol i just woke up.I was tired,having some health issues.
JenM, I really under stand trama shock.So happey your alive an posting today with us.That had to be awful being Kidnapped,an i do belive some minds can block things out that are tragic.
I do think thats a theory to think about,the one you wrote,i just wanted to know what time it got dark in Fla that time of yr,even if Mrs Sykes had of went by,she still could have ran out.An then again we dont know how far Mrs Sykes would go in covering either.But she very well could have went missing ,during the day,an Sykes never went by,could have even got the day mixed up.
I know we were all crazy when our 2 yr old was murdered(my sisters grand baby) so we forgot days, times, So i could see how she could have gotten her days mixed up about taking the cloths over,or maybe she did,an got her times mixed up.Who knows,this case,with out evidence ,its trying.
I know Tommy said they smoked a joint earlier in the evening,.when they were outside.An children will slip off,ive seen it happen before.I havent heard they were parting that night,just dont know.But anythings possible.An children can pull chairs up to door,an unlock them,if they want to.They are so smart these days.
Misty saying Joe ,an Tommy molested her,i wonder at what age,an their age differences.Its somthing she must remember well.Could one of those men have touched Haliegh wrong an she ran an hid,i would have ran off at 5 yrs old,that would have scared me,at 5,an could one of them have slipped her out,if Misty passed out it is so possible.Its a lot to think about thats for sure.I also wonder if the AC/heater man was working on the unit,an used the back door,not locking it back.Or was he just their chilling,maybe somking pot.
C~A i didnt see your post at 5:53 Am,i posted,an left.I have really followed the Caylee case,an i do believe she is guilty.I havent had a chance to read all the back post from today,ill get to them later.Im not totaly awake yet lol. I blogg on another site on Caylee,an about her bio mom,getting tried convicted,an going down for the what she did to Caylee.But we can chatt here,about it.
So what are you all going over now.I know someone has a hearing soon.Tommy right??
lol Jaba,tg for that.lol
Jaba: I missed ur 12:09 post, my question exactly: What is Junky Joe’s alibi? Ummm, why isn’t Chelsea blabbing about that, like she seems to blab all her knowledge of EVERYONE ELSE’S whereabouts?
Oh, Joe, what were u doing? Taking a cooking class? Finishing up ur volunteer work at the local Y? Passing a good time at Spinner’s? Washing the Van? Washing the Blankets? Making a meatloaf out of deermeat?
Off topic: Did anyone hear about the Sandra Cantu case? I watched JVM and they were saying that If melissa Huckabee pleads guilty to the murder one charge they are removing the rape charge and DP. This will give her the max penalty of 25 years to life. I was outraged!! They know 100% that she took the life of little Sandra and she gets a deal like this!! She belongs on death row!!
lol @ronfan ~ too funny!
gotta run,ill bbs tho
No answers or substanitive statements, just shock value statements for attention.
lol@ronfan,bbs
CathyJo, that’s my point, he was just acting along, u know, playing the part…
And the reason he got mad at Geraldo was cuz Geraldo was asking questions that were probably truthful. Watch the look on Ron’s face when Geraldo asks him if he is an informant…That’s like asking someone if they want to be killed. Go back and look at the video, even his family members make a face when he asks Ron that. I remember that striking me as BINGO!! He’s an informant, and now Geraldo opened his big mouth and now everyone’s gonna know.
The real reason no one has seen recent vids of Ron is because they are saving them for the new Reality Show: “Incarcerated. The daily life of Ronbo.” It’s going to be an exciting season, chock full of fun story lines like Ron talking about what he wore, when he eats, showers, etc…u know, sitting on the edge of ur seat stuff. The finale will be when he has a very special visitor from his past….
Geraldo!!!!
*looking*~
yes, i saw that as well. that woman is deeply disturbed, incredibly evil. perhaps it would be better for her to have to live each day with her crime…i certainly hope she doesn’t have the possibility of parole after 25…
i think the prison sentence for someone like her may just drive her mad…i hate to be cruel, but this woman will certainly suffer inside at the hands of other inmates…don’t know if that’s justice, but i’m glad they have someway of making her pay…
jmo
LOL!!!! Ronfan
I believe since Chelseas timeline is not definite ,but she said she was up late. Joe was there too. If she said he was there at a certain time (LATE)when her and Timmy went to bed that gives him a time line. If she stayed up until midnight or 1 there would really a tough timeline for Joe to do all of this and get back before Misty called Timmys. jmo
When I woke up this morning one thought about a comment Misty made came to mind (don’t know why), it was one of her first interviews she was with Lisa. She mentions during her tearful explanation of what took place that night “I’m only seventeen years old”. There was no reason for her to add that. What came to mind is she is making an excuse for her behavior. She is alluding to a weakness in her judgment. She may even be hinting in a subconscious way how much younger she is than Ron. Of course looking for sympathy is possible too.
Jaba at 12:22: he wants to be in GP so he can get someone from outside to kick some a** probably on Princess Joe. And, it’s a great place to make friends and meet people. Good times, good times..
It makes me angry Toughcookie!! She murdered that poor little baby put in her a suit case and threw her in a retention pond. Sandra should have complete JUSTICE. I do not want to even think that she may make parole at 25 years. What kind of justice would that be for sandra?
I heard they accepted that because if she went to trial for the death penilty the horrendous things she did would come out and the family would have to suffer hearing what she did. I doubt she will get probation ever. The family just needs to stay on top of her probation hearings. jmo
I think mabe all the young one in Mistys family knew something. If infact they are at fault
I also remember the remark about the sheffields.Griffs moving away,an him thinking they could have Haliegh
The rat in the mail box,i believ Misty could have told him,she thought these men were involved,an Ron placed the rat their as a threat,if i find out you hurt my child ill do you,like i did this rat.
Joe,or who ever,i think he was making a direct threat,to someone he believes harmed Haliegh,like Joe.Or Griffs/sheffields.
But they all had been around Haliegh for about 4/5 months,i think Misty had lived with Ron for 4 months,an Haliegh wasnt harmed.Then Joe came down,an poof shes gone.I think hes the one Ron threatens by videos,jail call,an interviews.He just doesnt call a name.
I did like the peacock comment lol he puffes his self up,Strutts like hes bad.but may can fight his way out of a wet paper sack.Good fighters,dont brag,they dont argue,they strike while your standing an blabbing at them.Or when a person least expects it.
But cops are believing gma sykes’ visit at 730.
Maybe they have cell phone pings of hers or whoever was driving her? Does she even have a cell phone?
Had to be dark by 8 at the latest in february, right. It was getting dark when gma left. Kids were there, safe and sound for the time being.
And I don’t see how gma sykes couldn’t remember when she was last at the MH, she had to get a call the next morning about Haleigh being gone and remembered being there 12 hours or less earlier. She seemed lucid and with it on the tape I’ve seen of her. Fishy….:)
*looking* ~ i certainly agree with you 100% !
i saw yesterday that she took the plea agreement, and pled guilty to avoid the DP. i sure hope she is not eligible for parole after 25…i believe they wouldn’t give her that option, simply because of the heinous nature of her crimes.
Jaba it gets dark at 6pm during this time of the year.
Ronfan,i remember the video well,an Ron did have more of ((a come on man dont say that look)),than a angry one that G said that about him being an imformant.
Sunset was at 6;11 on Feb.9th temps were in the upper 50 lower 60. HGM and I did alot of research on the weather at the time and on gators. jmo
I would hope not!!!! Toughcookie. It just makes me sick!!
Ronfan–I followed the Darlie Routier case and read the books. I believe she is innocent, but the prosecution and the police will never admit they made a mistake. They blamed her from day one, and never looked in any other direction. I think Darin is more suspicious than Darlie ever was. The media had a lot to do with convicting her with the silly string at the grave incident. There is evidence that could exonerate her (DNA, fingerprints that can’t be matched, and the bloody sock in the alleyway) but the prosecutor does not want this to go in front of a judge to help in her appeal. She is on Death Row and has been for a long time. Her case happened shortly after Susan Smith and I think that had a lot to do with the way this case was investigated, in much the same way the Caylee Anthony has influenced the Haleigh investigation. I think if they execute Darlie they will be executing an innocent woman, but they have executed an innocent person before in Todd Willingham. JMO
Iremember that tape of Geraldo too. Ron was all over the place and couldnt get his words out right. Esspecially when asked about the 75%sure he knew who took her. Go listen to it again. He is all over the place. jmo
Ronfan,
Look, I enjoy long walks in a prison yard like the next person, but ron had the chance to kill joe, a long time to do it, and didn’t. He aint got the killin’ skills of someone like you or me. You can take that to the bank!!:)
Ron is not the one who stole drugs, Joe is…think about this: Why suddenly is he in town? Why does he suddenly want so desperately need that ASSAULT RIFLE??
The previous weekend NayNay and Misty were with the Mexicans who are notorious for roxies and being the low revenge hunters.
Joe, NayNay, and Misty stole drugs. Misty doesn’t want Ron to know.
And Jaba, I believe Ron would put himself in any situation for his daughter. He is that kind of person.
Why call Tommy? because that’s when her phone was “off”.
Looking for Justice: Hi, MADJGNLAW emailed me a copy of the photo. Here is what she said:
“This is the picture that was shown on scared monkeys a few days ago. Someone on twitter yesterday said they saw the picture in Chelsea’s my-space account.”
I can email you a copy of you would like: jillphoto@live.com
And this joe o’, he’s another ‘little dude’ who ass is he kicking? I hear all these guys talk tough and what they are going to do, yet they have no rep for being the local bar fighter. Maybe its the guns backing them up that builds confidence.
We hear ron talking tough and all, threatening unknown people, etc…can you imagine him on his fifth beer, third pill and 19th joint of the night, bragging? That would be gold standard reality tv for me.
ronfan said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:45 pm Robin: what do u think of the Darlie Routier case? I am familiar with the Sells case,too.
I also have thought the same thing about Ron aluding to the Sheffield thing, and especially after he was jailed when he said to his mother something about Crystal “moving” and 2 or 3 people being involved and moving all over ie to Montana. Strange. I go from Cousin Joe to M. Sheffield. back and forth. I still can’t let go of that Sheffield link. But I have always questioned Cousin Joe mainly because of his timeline and the HALEIGH SIGHTING IN TN.
That was a theory of mine as well,Ron,till i got bent on my everyone’s flibbin theory,lol
Why did it take cs so long to get there,dunno if iut’s true but heard cs and mg stiopped to open a bank acct on the way or the day before…….something,lol and in the sheppard smith video they look guilty as sin!
and i hope to God you’re right for not only them but for Haleighs sake about Rons smirky mug? then i’ll praise him for it………
and js saying,they can’t touch him in ky?
thats why i wish to God we could go back to day one and ron nor misty lied at all…..but too late so here we have to dig and our shovels are getting too heavy!
one thing that has always bothered me in this case is the location of the van. lindsy’s van was “on loan” to chelsea. why ? (did they ever say?) thinking it was pretty convenient to have the van there where joe was staying, the keys moved around, and the van parked differently then chelsea left it. was this, in part, to set-up cousin joe? or was he simply just a part of the whole thing?
i know that LE cleared him…but when i watched him on tv before, giving his statement with his mom & lawyer by his side, i felt he was very suspicious in behavior, and especially with that little sobbing performance. that always made me question his authenticity.
jmo
Lordy, that Geraldo tape is a Hoot!! It looks like Geraldo p**ed in his pants!!!
He even starts leaning back!!!
Jaba: C’mon, Ron isn’t faking. That man seems like the type who says anything and doesn’t care who hears it, not the type who only says it for a bluff. Who in the heck else would incriminate themselves time after time on national tv, videos, and such??? Everything u say is incriminating, right?
Ron seems crazy, if u ask me. Like he would just lose his mind and go postal in one second.
Oh, and to answer ur question about why he didn’t kill Joe….Our dear sweet little Joe had already done hightailed it back to them mountains!!!! (Oh, yeah after hanging some posters up ) Ron’s violent, but smart…why kill Joe instantly…it was only 1 day.
Jan57, good points.
Everybody stop making fun of Ronalds walk. He was trying to hold his pants up. They took his belt and shoes, remember? (oops, that’s inside knowledge!) My poor Ron had bare feet.
omg in heaven Jaba,my husbands best friend was like that,add alohol,get an instant A$$ hole…….years of it like that and he went to prison 3 yrs and got out and wasn’t a week he was killed on the graveyard in front of his mom by the state police! He had a knife! he was gosh don’t remember,been 10-12 yrs i guess but he was around 30!
right tough,i wonder too but i have a bone deep feeling he’d look suspicious eating ice cream,lol
lol *cathyjo* ~ true, true
toughcookie the van was loaned to Chelsea because Chelsea’s car was totaled out in the accident that injured Hank and the reason Timmy was on pain meds that he was “sleeping” off.
not to mention Tobias,ron is only “disappointed” in misty? well gee ya reckon?
he looks like a thug,lol tough!
maryd said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
When I woke up this morning one thought about a comment Misty made came to mind (don’t know why), it was one of her first interviews she was with Lisa. She mentions during her tearful explanation of what took place that night “I’m only seventeen years old”. There was no reason for her to add that. What came to mind is she is making an excuse for her behavior. She is alluding to a weakness in her judgment. She may even be hinting in a subconscious way how much younger she is than Ron. Of course looking for sympathy is possible too.
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I think someone told M that she would not be charged as an adult because of her age. Out of everyone involved who would she protect?
thanks *whylie*
Homespain, Thank you for understanding exactly what I was stating and for being a voice of reason. It does become tiresome when too many of the comments/replies don’t actually concern Haleigh (or the families) anymore. It was not rude to point it out. Those writers have become pen pals and I have nothing against them being friends. I also understand that reading about a blogger’s background helps to understand how and why they are approaching a new fact or angle in this sad case. (A million people can see one concrete occurence but they will all view it in one million different ways.) Those letters pointing out their takes are illuminating AND relevant.
There is no need to further fuel an angry or self righteous person’s fury by perpetuating an ongoing slapfest online. THAT is what I meant when alluding to looking into a crazed beast’s eyes; instead of furthering the name calling, just don’t look the dog in the eye and slowly back away.(Real life advice, by the way. I once worked for the Post Office!) Crisis avoided. More room for real talk. It seems as if some of the writers perceived that THEY personally were the beast I was speaking of.
There were so many other messages ahead of mine, but my comments were made after reading a dozen too many tit for tat responses in those baiting and taunting sessions. (I wasn’t the only one who felt this way) Even Jan and Simon had to come online recently and chastise those who were making it so unpleasant for others.
For whatever reason, most of the ensuing comments afterwards have pertained directly to the case and for that, I am grateful. (Don’t you worry, though, I am not claiming credit for redirecting the conversation!) I DO appreciate various thoughts concerning the why, the who, the how, and so on.
Hope imo the only one that Misty would protect to the end if she really knew they were involved, without a doubt, in what happened to Haleigh would be Timmy
Lfj,
So 6:11, dark. Gma sees kids at 730 in the dark.
Slipping out into darkness doesn’t add up. Why would her family say she was afraid of the dark if that wasn’t true?
If the family had said she used to go out all the time in the dark, I’d be more of a buyer on that.
So, tommy leaves before gma sykes comes by, right around darkness. He goes home until the ron call? Is that right? That’s the last official, at the his trailer, evidence of tommy being somewhere specific at 9 pm?
Tommy goes home after getting high with misty and eats some ding dongs or ho ho’s and takes a nap.
Then from 9-1030 is blank but misty says she was up until then.
So I say we are back to the 10:30-2 open window.
I think mistys bed time number is when whatever happened, happened. 1030
Maybe misty wanted to crash and Haleigh wouldn’t lay down and things got ugly. Not sure.
That 4.5 hour window needs some closure.
Imo
right Hope,sometimes i think thats why she’s hiding the truth,maybe she didn’t do it but has a bond with somebody! now that she’s 18 whoaa!
Hi – I know that LE has said the timeline mystery begins after 7 or 8. However, here is what I wonder (and this is JMO – these thoughts are just as some of you say – hinky to me)
1. The “who picked her up” mystery. Even Theresa says she picked Haleigh up that day. Based on what I have read, I think Ronald might have picked up Haleigh and that the neighbors, etc… mistook Chelsea for Misty. (Chelsea was the one who slapped her child – nice)
2. The AC guy saw Haleigh. What repair person pays attention to the kids being around?
3. Gma comes by to drop off clothes and sees kids on porch eating at 6:30 or 7:00. As Tobias pointed out – it is dark and chilly (especially for Floridians). I know this has no relevance but what did she “cook” for dinner? We hear about her cooking dinner – I would think that detail would be shared.
4. Tommy came by with kids and saw Haleigh. No need to explain why I would question that! (LOL)
Oh well – we will all know soon enough. I want to know Haleigh did not suffer.
heck,i’ll agree with all of ya,any theory really……….my gosh its hard to sort it out!
Toughcookie:
The van belonged to Tommy and Lyndsy. Hank Sr and Timmy were driving Timmy’s car in the wreck that week-end, so Tommy loaned Timmy the van.
CathyJo: Excellent. Yes, his mug shot is hilarious. OMG, the man looks deliriously happy, like he just won the lotto. It’s almost creepy..
Jaba: I doubt Ron would consider Joe a challenge. Maybe a hobby or practice to polish his fightin’ skills, or deer skinnin’ skills. I think I could beat Joe up. That little mousy looking trifling little girl….
Toughcookie: thank u for bringing that van thing up again!!!! I want everyone’s opinions pleeeeze!!! Why and how does 1 single solitary van get swapped around so freakin’ much? And now, in that recent tape of Lindsey with her talking to Tommy about her “good friend coming down” to fix it cuz it needs a NEW engine?? Geez, she even has to tell Tommy not to say anything…!!! Hmmm, Timmy maybe?? She was stupid enuf to say “coming DOWN.”
I wonder why that engine all of a sudden needs to be REPLACED??????????
CathyJo63 said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
ronfan said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:45 pm Robin: what do u think of the Darlie Routier case? I am familiar with the Sells case,too.
I also have thought the same thing about Ron aluding to the Sheffield thing, and especially after he was jailed when he said to his mother something about Crystal “moving” and 2 or 3 people being involved and moving all over ie to Montana. Strange. I go from Cousin Joe to M. Sheffield. back and forth. I still can’t let go of that Sheffield link. But I have always questioned Cousin Joe mainly because of his timeline and the HALEIGH SIGHTING IN TN.
That was a theory of mine as well,Ron,till i got bent on my everyone’s flibbin theory,lol
Why did it take cs so long to get there,dunno if iut’s true but heard cs and mg stiopped to open a bank acct on the way or the day before…….something,lol and in the sheppard smith video they look guilty as sin!
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RC and TN knew they were being recorded during this jail visit. Why would they say this so everyone could hear if he was “undercover”?
imo
Tough,I can just see ole cuzzin Jo standing on the corner licking an icecream cone with one eye behind him and one eye staring straigth atcha!lol brrrrr
so, to my way of thinking, the location of the van, and the timing of it being @ tim & chelsea’s was legitimate…which means, if the van was truly used to “transport” haleigh, it wasn’t a premeditated thing.
i think whatever happened that night, was some kind of accident-gone-bad situation. otherwise tommy would have “borrowed back” lindsy’s van.
jmo
poor ole guy probably feels guilty cause he’s used to it,lol
I do too Tough,always have,i don;t think anyone,not even the worst ones of the bunch planned to harm Haleigh??
*cathyjo* ~ ewwwwwwwwwww!!!! 😉
So Tobas it was dark by 730 in Putnam. An if Mrs Sykes did go there at 7:30 Misty was sober/well Tommy said she smoked earlier.But She wasnt stoned,according to Sykes.The children were eating,an Misty helped her,with the cloths,them putting shirts on the children.
So that would put Mrs Sykes,if she arrived at 7:30 an went through what she said happened,what it would have taken another 3o or more min. an then Mrs sykes left? she had to get out,take cloths out,Haliegh ran out an kissed her,Misty came out an helped take cloths in,they put shirts on childen she may have chatted,went back to car,an left. So what say she left around 8/810 ?
and look who even the family pointed too first,lol Jo?
did he take a ld test? I heaRD HE DID BUT NOT CLEAR??
ron,the one LP needs to fix rofl
Toughcookie at 1:31!!! LOL!! Little Joey!!
I agree. I love how he says “I can’t imagine what their going through”, then breaks the sound barrier right after and says IDIDN’TDOIT.” HAHAHA! He didn’t even take a freakin’ breath. It was an auditory “run-on-sentence!”
mmm, BODY LANGUAGE!! Talk about a voice analysis test candidate!
Ikeeta,no worries,sorry if i had a part in offending you and I did but soryy!
I just saw negative and jumped all negative,though i can’t say i would not have reacted the same as you did!
oh i guarantee you he can imagine,we all can IMAGINE,hes a prime candisate for imagining i assume,lol
I can see him imagining what happens if he grabs an older ladies purse even!lol
As I’ve said before, I wished ron had used the bravdo to really protect his kids. A 17 year old he’s dated for 6 months, who’s been missing for the prior 3 days wasn’t the best baby sitting pick. Even calling in sick or dropping them at his moms and being a few hours late and staying later would have been the best play that night. Hindsight is 20/20.
I wonder if gma sykes called before she came over? How far does she live away? Was she in the area? Suppose no one was home? Did she call ron and was told to go by the mh and that misty was there. Did he ask her to go by the MH?
Jill,I THINK the a/c guy smoked a joint with them so i imagine they thought,should we do this here,o hell why not?
*ronfan* ~ yes…something about him sticks with me. i have always had a bad feeling about him from the start. its as if, even if he’s not guilty of this, he’s guilty of something…
jmo
Tobias,was the a/c guy related to ron?
and does he also have a new tattoo? lol sorry but asking
ronfan,
Ok, so you know ron, tell me this: does ron have num-chuck skills? Be honest.
toughcookie said,in May 12th, 2010 at 2:23 am btw ~ did *cathyjo* and *o.j.* go off and fall in love?? lol seems they have both disappeared…
I love him but i am just not IN love with him,rofl
I wouldn’t rob the local bank for him so……lol
I keep getting disconnected from my isp!
maryd: In that same early tape of Misty, did u catch when she is talking about being new in town and the only friends she has and then says “I won’t be hanging around them anymore”…and Lisa nods her head in agreement?? Weird, huh? Proves NayNays involvement as well, imo. Never thought of that until I saw that, I had brought that up a long time ago, but no one commented on it. I’m still curious about the other side anyway.
Hope at 1:46: Because Ron doesn’t care, and loves dropping clues and hints that r so obvious like the elephant in the room. JMO.
Remember his interview with Dana Treen, (who also was THE only reporter he agreed to talk to) he stated he hadn’t changed his mind, he’d kill whoever it was!!! Now that takes some ding-a-lings to say that, if u ask me.
I am still stuck on Chelseas tattoo,if it is hers?
tobias
yuppers I find that weird as well. Not running around yelling her name and looking everywhere and anywhere for her till LE got there is not something I would think a “normal” parent would do in that situation
oh *jaba* ~ lmao 😀
“nun-chuck skills…”
where ron,what video? she won’t be hanging around them?
I see the time line as 8 to 12:20 No one knew Ron would be working over unless he called late in the evening to tell them so there is no way Joe could have left with the van because Chelsea said she ws up late. I take that as being at least until 11 or 12.jmo
and straight out the back door Beast? a normal person would!
jaba said,in May 12th, 2010 at 2:14 pm ronfan,
Ok, so you know ron, tell me this: does ron have num-chuck skills? Be honest
May be why ron walks that way,practicing wiff num chux? lol
Does anyone know if it was said the children took baths,that night,was jr clean.Could Haliegh have been bathing,an playing in the tub,while Misty was doing what ever,an she got sleepy,slid down in the tub,An when Misty called her for bed,Haliegh had went to sleep in the tub,an drowned.Misty paniced,an they dumped the body.
Wonder what tub,the children took baths in,the little one,or the big one.iF JR played in the yard that evening,he would have got dirty,was he clean,when the Law came. Just a thought,i remember when mine were little,they got sleepy during their baths,after playing out
Another thing people can misjudge,is a lick on a child head.I knew of one dieing here. The little one, got a lick from a fall,an they put the baby to bed,the little feller died. No foul play involved. We all knew if we baby fell,if the bump was large,take the baby/child to the hospital,if small watch it ,an make sure they didnt get larthic.Not to let them go to sleep for a few hrs.To be on the safe side.
doors.Just a thought! But fracturs on a child skull doesnt take much force,an even a hard fall can cause one.Or Lick
CathyJo
Exactly. Out the back door, down the street, yelling pounding on doors. AFTER tearing the house a part. It’s hard to say exactly what I would do but likely something like that.
but why hide it Jan?
bEAST,RIGHT AND WHEN MISTY ALREADY LOOKED UNDER BEDS??I’d have went straight out that door even before i called 911 i imagine,cuz you’re hoping they woke up and wondered off or……….etc
Cathy lol them numbchucks will do it every time lol
i could understand misty maybe being scared to go out the door at night but ron?? oh hey ron,your childs missing and the back doors propped open and i looked under the bed??
then he looks under the same bed and no door?
lol Jan,everybody says he walks funny,maybe thats why,ouchhhhhhhhhh
Jaba at 2:14: That’s just what I was thinking when I wrote that!! Too funny!
Joe seems more the type to “brag” though, imo!!
not to mention TN still though she was hiding under the bed and misty and ron overlooked her so she brought an 8×10 pic to show them what she looked like,dang she can hide good!
not to mention TN still though she was hiding under the bed and misty and ron overlooked her so she brought an 8×10 pic to show them what she looked like,dang she can hide good!
Jan57,
The cleanliness angle, good questions. Accidental drowning. Never thought of that.
but why hide it if its an accident?
Hi Everybody, you guys are so funny!! Haven’t had time to be around for the last week or so but got to thinking that tomorrow is May 13, aren’t Tommy and Ron due in court for pretrial hearings tomorrow?
I dont even think Joe stole the gun the first time. Think about it you are a stranger over visiting with others at Rons. The first person who would be suspected of it is the stranger, he knows that. Tommy stole that gun and blamed it on Joe. Then later when all this is going down again its easy to blame the stranger Joe. jmo
right Tobias,and who’d think to look under a board for a missing gun and if somebody stole it why hide it at the place you stole it from to begin with…..big dummies……
If you guys think Ron walks funny now….wait until Big Boy Bubuh gets through with him in prison! LMAO Oh RONNY boy…don’t bend over to pick up the soap while in the shower….! Hee Hee Hee
Right CathyJo-an they just happen to be ON THE FLOOR like, you can’t be under the mattresses
tobias, or maybe Ron was planning to use Joe as a fall guy and staged the whole thing.
it’ll be numb withought chuck…rofl
lol Chakra,exactly,i swear to God this is what stuffs made of…..
or maybe chuck wiffout numb,roflmao
I told you all that Ron was walking like that cuz he didn’t have a belt…or shoes. Poor thing. Once again, humiliated. But still walked proudly. Now, that’s enuf!! Lol
Cathyjo: It’s the eary tapes, where Misty has the now infamous green circles hoodie on.(I hear there’s a rumor it’s on ebay, the biddings at 10,000!!! jj) It’s the long entire interview, on you tube. Enjoy! Get some expensive bottled water and popcorn.
whose ye chucky now? rofl,i am sorry but couldn’t pass on that one!
swear to God,if they had brains they’d all be dangerous!
brb Ted needs sommin’
On the 911 tape you never hear Ron asking Misty…”Did you check outside?”, “Did you check with the neighbors?”, etc. He said they called 911 within minutes of getting home…..but neither of them appear to check the normal places you would check….or question each other about what area has been searched. But BOTH of these geniuses DO manage to look “under the bed” aka MATTRESS for her and make sure LE knows that. Good job Ron and Misty! Now, did you look down the sink, under floor boards, look in the frig, and check your pockets while you were looking under the mattresses? IDIOTS!
ROFLMAO- JB at 2:49
Exactly
JB: not my boy. That’s why he’s building up muscle. He’s no fool. He knows he has to get in peak shape. He did look different, u know.
well *jb*, giving them the benefit of the doubt, if the 911 call was not “scripted”, i would think that would be the first thing to ask, if one were the parent questioning “the babysitter”…i’m thinking ron would have asked her those things the minute he got home and it would not be something we would hear on the 911 call.
jmo
Cathy i dont know,why hide anything at this point.It was just a thought,an a 17 yr old ,at the time just doesnt think like us. Could be she thought Ron would have a fit.
I dont even know if Ron,or Misty was involved.She could have been happy to be home,an really was exausted from being out those 3 days. It takes a day or to to recooperate from a bindge.An many sleep alot,while the bodys trying to heal its self from the assault,of drug use,lack of normal sleep.An Ron could have really been out trying to make a living.No man goes to work thinking itll be his last time to see his child.
I watch these young couples around here.They break up,an go back together.They call over,an over,love talk one min,fussing ,an hanging up the next. I doupt it was 90 calls,more like 20.
investigators need to ask what Ron habits were on night shift,an at the store,did he usualy stop,after work.
I know Hank SR .said Ron had just rotated to the night shift that week.If i was on a construction job 12 hr shift..I stoped at the store on the way home for a beer,or two,an smokes.Maybe candy for my son.
I would dring one,or two when i got home,an relax for bed.Because i was always wound up from work,an being tired,overly tired,i couldnt go straight to bed.So i dont see anything off with the calls,or the store stop.
He could have called Tom telling him to go tell Misty to turn the phone back on,it could have went dead,an needed charging,she may not have had her charger with her,leaving it at where ever she stayed at Sunday.Didnt she just go back to Rons Sunday morning/mid day?Maybe Ron just got harrasing with his questions about her weekend,an she just cut it off,pouting,because he wouldnt let it go.
Why wouldn’t ron run down to tommys to see if she was there before calling 911? Or call tommy before the 911? He already woke him up from his ding dong and weed dinner.
And if’we have better people to call’ means family down the street I can see it.
I made a 911 call here on Dec. 2008 for an car wreck. Woke me up at around midnight. The guy slide over the hill and hit my tree. He was pretty dazed. The dogs were barking so Iknow he was out for about 5 min. before he gotout of the car. I called and gave all the info before the dispatcher could ask me anything.
Isaid I need the police and an ambulance at –my address there has been a wreck the guy was knocked out and says his knees hurt. all she could ask me was if he was bleeding. I still cant get over that one. I said no. He was alright but the tree wasnt. LOL I see the 911 as being all wrong for the situation. jmo
There was a white bed in Halieghs room,but her matress was in the master b room.I know there was also another bed room,but never saw in it,to see if there was another bed in there for them to have looked under,the small white bed rail didnt have to be looked under,beacuse one could see through the rails.
You’re right about that Jan,I wasn’t thinking but i guess i just figure if an accident occurs why lie,but yea i think she was and is terrified of rons temper!
so do i Tobias!
Jan,yes it was when ron showed us where Haleigh USED TO RESIDE?
Tobias: Joe was NO stranger to Ron. IIRC, Ron hated Joe. Joe claimed the assault rifle was his, and the fight ensued. If u have 2 people both laying claim to the gun,(Joe and Ron)then it’s got to be involved in a drug deal.
Remember Ron insisted there WAS NOT A FIGHT. Another “Geraldo Moment”, But u could tell by the look on his face that he was p***d. Like he didn’t want that being exposed.
I thought it was confirmed later that there really was a fight, but then Chelsea ALSO leaked it out on NG!! She said it directly and the words came pouring out of her mouth!! I was so happy!! That in itself proves Joe is involved!! She said it casually like it was public knowledge, go back and look at it. Man, dumb as bricks.
Ron Fan i kind of like Ron myself,i hear you!!Hes a country tough boy,no wonder the girls liked him.An i do like the truck,with only God can Judge me back window. I bet that trucks load toooo lol i like the country.Ive got some redneck country gal ways to lol.
MAYBE SHE PAID RENT,A BOARDER,I DUNNO!
i think many times when an accident occurs, people (especially those with prior run-ins w/the law)get scared. perhaps they don’t always go to such lengths to cover…but you never know what people will do. just because you say it was an accident doesn’t mean LE will agree with you…
especially if one has tangled with LE before, they have a tendancy not to trust them.
right tough,like poor ole Jo,looks suspicious no matter what,God forbid he’d have to give someone CPR,theyd swear he sucked the life out of em’lol
I am suspicious of Chelseas tattoo?
i still believe he’s the scapegoat even if rons not involved,assuming even if misty and her whole family is in on it,
and i hope he isn’t!
I don’t know if anyone has seen the movie “The Woodsman” starring Kevin Bacon, who is an SO that is paroled after 12 years in prison for molesting young girls. One line stuck out at me. A cop said that he don’t understand why they let SOs out of prison, “because it means we have to catch you all over again”. No truer words have been spoken, as well see time and time again. But most SOs vow to never be caught again, so they have become slicker,so to speak. They usually leave no living witnesses, so most of their victims end up dead, and sometimes it takes years to undercover the child’s remains. JMO
Jan,my husband was that way,a charmer too…..tuff ruff,country boy…..biggest flirt in the entire world too,good thing i was never a jealous woman,I’d be in prison now! honest!
robin said,in May 12th, 2010 at 3:25 pm I don’t know if anyone has seen the movie “The Woodsman” starring Kevin Bacon, who is an SO that is paroled after 12 years in prison for molesting young girls. One line stuck out at me. A cop said that he don’t understand why they let SOs out of prison, “because it means we have to catch you all over again”. No truer words have been spoken, as well see time and time again. But most SOs vow to never be caught again, so they have become slicker,so to speak. They usually leave no living witnesses, so most of their victims end up dead, and sometimes it takes years to undercover the child’s remains. JMO
wowww Powerful words! Never seen it but i will now!
Like that chad reynolds wasn’t it? RSO went missing when Haleigh did,makes ya wonder but i’d say the victims ppl got him!
OMG,I hope i got the name right,if not i am sorry chad!
Actually my husband got mad because i wasn’t jealous,lol
Cathy, that would be my guess too or someone at that bar he was at before he left. He never picked up his check for the week and had no money. Phone went dead too.jmo
And after another victim too Robin,SAD!
RIGHT,tOBIAS,i THOUGHT SO,YOU KNOW ME WITH NAMES,I GOT SKEERT I HAD IT WRONG,LOL
But i’d bet it was the family too!
I don’t know how they get off so easy!
Its not right,another child’s life taken in one way or another!
they oughta have a special prison just for SO! Lettem all fight to the death!
ronfan said,in May 12th, 2010 at 1:46 pm CathyJo: Excellent. Yes, his mug shot is hilarious. OMG, the man looks deliriously happy, like he just won the lotto. It’s almost creepy..
thats the first thing ya see!!!!!!!
chakra7 said,in May 12th, 2010 at 12:46 pm A few days ago I was reviewing past interviews and the one with Jerry (the guy who always saw ron at the busstop) He states specifically that he saw Ron drop Haleigh off that morning He remembers because Ron almost ran into him and his kid by scidding the car. and he states that Ron came over to his house later that afternoon to talk with him about DCF (because Jerrys father was the one investigating Ron)
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Can anyone tell me how to find this video? TIA
I dont think he would have if the castle law would have been in affect then. In Florida if someone breaks in you can shoot to kill. When he got caught it was by the father after he broke in and molested the little girl and was going to rob them too. The father now could kill him under the castle laws. jmo
Its on you tube somewhere.jmo
Quote: looking for Justice said,in May 12th, 2010 at 9:43 am MadJ. Can you tell me where to find that pic of Haleighs name on Chelseas foot?
Hope I did it right. I added the picture to photo bucket. It was snipped from SM site.
Here ya go. http://s634.photobucket.com/albums/uu62/MADJGNLAW/Tattoo%20on%20someones%20foot/
hmmmmmmmmm.didn’t know of such a law!
i’ll look for it Apple!
IKETA Thanks, and all your points well taken.
It is interesting to see the case driven dialog here to day, much more fruitful and thoughtful overall.
I found a site that might prove helpful to everyone here trying to milk any information out of what are scant facts. We have the videos and tapes of many players.
“Eyes for Lies blog” and website, offers allot of insight into when people are lying, and warns also to be careful to not be premature and judge people based on just specifics. For example, someone may avert their eyes, or stammer, etc. In other words it can indicate lying but also a person who is telling the truth and is anxious, or feels they are not believed will often act like they are lying. Perhaps studying the authors available information in it’s totality will aide some one here to discover a new truth or lie that so far was missed. It might also substantiate the lie detectors given to all.
For example many think Ron passed his lie detector test. My understanding is he actually did not. Heard that on Levi Page radio show this past weekend. Maybe he passed, maybe not. hope this will be helpful to all in this who are trying to find out the truth for the missing, and the innocent falsely accused.
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2004/11/about-me.html
Ronald Bruised Knuckles Punching Door After 911 Call
By Art Harris, The Bald Truth, (c) artharris.com, all rights reserved
The Bald Truth has learned exclusive new details in the Haleigh Cummings mystery, from a father’s bloody hands, to an updated timeline—that sources close to the case say may help law enforcement flesh out conflicting stories in the baffling disappearance of the missing five year old. Little Haleigh was reported missing more than four months ago by then babysitter Misty Croslin who married her father, Ronald, a month later.
While law enforcement agencies met last week to go over what they do know and what they don’t about the circumstances, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said some evidence had yet to be analyzed, and would be soon, and felt confident the case would be solved.
But we can report exclusively one minor mystery has been solved–why Ronald Cummings right fist appeared to be badly bruised after his daughter was reported missing at 3:27 am, Feb. 10. On the 911 tape, he sounds angry at Misty, and police tell me he was so upset his daughter was gone, he reared back and slammed his fist into a door.
“He was upset when he got home, and when he got angry, he punched a door and busted up his knuckles,” said Lt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department in an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth, aka artharris.com.
Sources tell The Bald Truth that investigators saw Ron bleeding when they arrived that night, and immediately swabbed his hand (along with several other people who gave permission) for possible DNA to confirm his account, and state of mind.
In fact, Cummings pointed out the exact spot on the back door he’d hit hard enough to leave a hand print. As part of a thorough forensic exam of the trailer, police took blood samples from the door that matched blood from his wound, sources tell me, and ruled his account plausible and believable.
But cracking the Haleigh mystery remains far more difficult than cracking knuckles, and sources tell The Bald Truth, a major focus has been anyone with ties to the families, or who may have been watching, or had access to Cummings’ trailer that night.
Police say investigators have spoken with Misty Cummings more than 10 times, along with members of both families, including mother Crystal Sheffield, who is engaged in a bitter custody dispute over Haleigh and little brother Ronald, Jr. Investigators have been trying to schedule more meetings with Ronald and his lawyers, but had not when we last spoke earlier this week.
No one has been accused, or named as a suspect, or person of interest. But in a desperate quest to find answers, investigators are attempting to plug inconsistencies in what they call Misty’s conflicting timeline—and where she may have been that night. She claims she was at the trailer, never left and was not sleeping so heavily from being under the influence of anything illegal that would have kept her from hearing an intruder.
But The Bald Truth has learned Misty’s wild partying we’ve reported – and law enforcement police sources confirm — in the days leading up to the lost little girl raise questions about her state of mind that night – and fuel some investigators’s theories that a possible drug craving may have lead her to search for more drugs the night Haleigh vanished.
Let’s go back.
We’ve reported extensively and exclusively on the wild party weekend that witnesses and friends have told us began as early as the previous Wednesday, when 17 year old Misty told fellow party girl “Nay Nay” (Christina Prevatt, 18) she’d had a fight with Ronald after suggesting she might be pregnant.
To hear the story Nay Nay has told us on camera, she drove Misty to meet a local named Greg Page, aka White Boy Greg, and the trio were off for several days and nights partying with cocaine, a painkiller called “Roxies,” pot, and alcohol. By early Sunday, as Nay Nay, and Page tell me, they were partied out, and Nay Nay dropped Misty at her parents, though Prevatt says she was speaking with Cummings earlier and it sounded like a reconciliation was in the works.
Whether she wound up back at the trailer Sunday night is not known, but a parent in the carpool line Monday afternoon has told police –and The Bald Truth in an exclusive interview, that she overheard Misty griping at the wheel of the family’s blue van as she waited for Haleigh to get off the school bus, about the “bad shit” they’d bought from someone the night before (Sunday), and would never buy anything from that dealer again.
The parent who was also waiting for her children to get off the bus and asked to go nameless, told me it sounded like Misty was talking to her companions in the car about drugs they’d used the night before (Sunday). “I was pulled up right next to her window and could hear it clearly,” the woman told me, saying it was the same account she gave investigators.
But what she says she saw next truly shocked her. Haleigh emerged from the bus, all smiles, and began running to the van, where Misty was trying to control two little boys, possibly Ronald Jr and Haleigh’s cousin who is the son of her brother and sister in law, Lisa. She says she heard an obviously irritated Misty scream for Haleigh to hurry up, then slap one of the boys.
Stunned she says she turned to boyfriend, Jerry Santos, a local businessman and little league coach, who was there to pick up their children. He didn’t see the alleged slapping, he tells me, but did see Misty behind the wheel, and Haleigh get off the bus and climb in with her.
Both Ronald Cummings and his mother, Teresa Neves, have claimed separately they picked up Haleigh that last Monday afternoon, but at least three parents tell me they only saw Misty at the bus stop. But Santos tells me, “Misty was definitely driving,” that he never saw either father or grandmother at the bus stop.
Neither Neves, nor Cummings returned our calls for comment today, and his grandmother, Annette Sykes, accused The Bald Truth of being very unfair to Ronald and her family in its coverage of her missing great granddaughter and said, “You know all you need to know,” before slamming down the phone and ordering us not to call again. Nor did Cummings attorney Greg Kimball, return our calls. He’s been speaking via press releases.
Why was Misty so irritable that day at the bus stop, investigators are trying to understand, with some theorizing it could be because she might have been jonesing from partying Sunday night, and by Monday afternoon, had grown edgy, possibly from a rebound effect, and griping about the quality of party favors.
And what might that have had to do with Ron Cummings driving like a bat out of hell Monday morning as he took Haleigh to her last day of school, then went to work, where police confirm he was until he left to go home and find his daughter gone?
Several parents tell me they saw Ronald driving so fast he nearly clipped a group of parents and children standing near the bus stop, then sped off.
According what private investigator William Staubs says sources told him – and mine confirm – Ronald was up all Sunday night waiting for Misty to come home. The sources say she never did, and he finally fell asleep—and overslept. Then had to rush and race to get Haleigh to school, and presumably try to find Misty before he went to work Monday afternoon at PDM Bridge Company, where sources say co workers and cell phone records confirm he was until quitting time.
When she finally came in Monday morning, she slept at her father’s house” nearby, Staubs tells me in an exclusive interview.
Whatever happened that Sunday night, Misty was back driving the carpool Monday afternoon, and at the Ron’s trailer after that. But did she leave again Monday night, possibly to score and ward off the bad mood earlier witnessed in the carpool line? She says not, that she was home with the kids all night Monday, and so far, no one has come forward to say otherwise, sources tell me.
Did you guys see this,i jhadn’t before,hmm
interesting i guess but considering the source i dunno,lol
Still looking Apple!
actually, it has been proven time and time again, that the ones who are actually “registered sex offenders” aren’t as likely to have committed another crime, as the ones out there, who nobody knows about, who haven’t been caught yet.
the way it is here in CA, people who must register as sex offenders, also have to wear a gps tracking device, for the rest of their lives.
also, the definition of “sex offender” is a broad title. when these sex offenders are looked up on the computer by the general public, it does not give details of their cases, it only gives which statute they were convicted under. as a result, there are many, many young people, who would in some states fall under the “romeo & juliet law” (which we don’t have here). they are teens who, in the context of a “loving” relationship, were convicted of these crimes, because they acted on their love physically, either with another underage teen, or in some cases, one just over 18 (legal age here) and one under.
i agree that the timing of this one’s disappearance is suspicious…but perhaps LE is not attaching him to this case because of the reason i stated above. if he was in that category, he would have been no danger to haleigh whatsoever.
jmo
A form of the Castle law, or Castle Doctrine as it is also known as, can be found as far back as in the English Common Law of the 1700’s.
I have also found evidence it goes back even further.
In the Old Testament, under the laws provided to the newly liberated Hebrews, Exodus 22:2 states, “If a thief is caught while breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there will be no bloodguiltiness on his account” (New American Standard Bible)
The modern law basically says that your place of residence is one in which you should be able to protect yourself from illegal trespassing and attack. Some states have recenctly updated the legislation and now also gives this kind of protection to you while you are in your vehicle as well as your place of employment.
This law gives you the legal right to use deadly force to defend your Castle. In a legal context, therefore, use of deadly force which actually results in death may be defended as justifiable homicide under the Castle Doctrine.
Each state is responsible for it’s own castle law legislation so it is very important for homeowners everywhere to understand the laws they are governed by. For instance, some states have a stand your ground aspect while others employ a duty to retreat clause and they have big impacts on how you have to handle yourself in your own home to make sure you are fully protected.
This is castle law. My state has it and I think florida does too.Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and South Dakota.
I dont see the video,but the story is in the last link i posted,does it show?
Jerry Santos, a neighbor or Ronald Cummings, may have been among the last few people to see Haleigh Cummings before she vanished. It was Monday, Feb. 9, and he’d just walked his children to the bus stop in Satsuma when Ronald came racing by, in such a hurry, he later told investigators, Haleigh’s father “ran a stop sign” and came too close for comfort.
“He missed me by five inches,” Santos says in an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth at http://www.artharris.com. Later that day, Santos and his girlfriend, Stephanie Mullis, say they spied Misty Croslin in the car pool line at the bus stop, driving a van that picked up Haleigh, and her younger cousin, Austin, now 5, an inseparable playmate who used to run from Haleigh as she chased him in the yard, trying to plant a kiss.
“He misses her terribly,” says his mother, Lindsay Croslin, who often joined Misty at the bus stop.
While these car pool parents can’t plug the crucial gaps in conflicting accounts of what Misty says happened later Monday night Feb. 9, between 8 p.m. (when she says she put Haleigh to bed) and 3:27 am the next morning (when she called 911 to report the child missing), sources close to the case say they help shed crucial light on a young couple in conflict and factors that could have contributed to making Haleigh vulnerable to a kidnapper, or killer.
When she got off the bus, Haleigh was happy, according to Mullis, who saw the child running towards a van Misty was driving. By some accounts, Misty seemed “drawn,” agitated.
With her window rolled down, and Misty just feet away, Mullis says she overheard Misty on the cell phone griping about “the bad shit” she’d gotten from someone she vowed to never deal with again. Mullis says she also heard Misty’s stern, expletive-laced admonition to a little boy in the car to behave, then says she saw her “smack” the child before Haleigh got in the car. “I was shocked,” she says.
We’ll be playing our interviews with several bus stop parents whose accounts on The Bald Truth, sources say, are consistent with the stories they gave in interviews with law enforcement, as part of a group of some 140 witnesses the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department, FDLE and the FBI have interviewed while trying to unravel the frustrating case of the missing six year old that has baffled them for over six months.
At the heart of the case, experts have focused on Ronald’s relationship with Misty, hoping it will yield insight, wondering why he’d marry — and stay married to — the young woman police say has not leveled with them. “You know the saying, you keep your friends close and your enemies closer,” Ronald told me months ago in Satsuma.
“He told us the same thing,” says Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch who arranged polygraphs and other testing for Misty at her request.
That morning, Ronald was in a hurry. Santos tells me Ronald later explained he was speeding because he was upset Haleigh was missing. “No, Ronald, this was before Haleigh went missing,” Santos reminded. Then he says Cummings said she’d spilled something on her blouse and he needed to get a change of clothes. Santos says Ronald’s tinted windows prevented him from seeing Haleigh or Misty, who claims she walked Haleigh into school before returning home to crash for a couple of hours.
Later that day, according to my timeline, the school bus driver, and teachers confirm Haleigh took the bus home. She she hops off in Satsuma, Misty is waiting. It’s about 3 p.m., shortly before Ronald heads for work at PDM where his lawyer says he arrived maybe a half hour early for a five p.m. shift as a crane operator. He was scheduled to get off at midnight, but worked until 3 a.m., because extra work on a barge had to be done, my sources say.
At 8:30 p.m., cell phone records show a call between the couple who, sources tell me, fought over Misty’s desire to do some outside babysitting that night after he’d learned of her wild child excursion with Nay Nay and White Boy Greg Page just days before. No way, said Ronald, who kept texting, and leaving voice mail, but couldn’t reach her for hours — until she finally picked up her cell phone about 3:15 a.m.
Caught on convenience store security video, Ronald had just stopped at a nearby Handy Mart to buy beer, peanuts and cigarettes for them both, Miller says Ronald told him, raising questions why he’d be so considerate to a girlfriend who’d apparently been dodging his calls and playing around.
What happened between between those calls could be a matter of life and death for the missing child, and detectives are also looking at calls Misty apparently made to a brother, Timmie, who detectives interviewed Saturday on Cape Cod —and who had been in Satsuma when Haleigh vanished. At the same time, sources say looking at what happened earlier on Haleigh’s last day has helped investigators understand the curious dynamic between a 26 year old single father and the young babysitter Ronald first spied as she walked to the bus stop with her family last winter.
While Ronald recognized Santos as the tattoo artist who had drawn Haleigh on his back several years earlier, Jerry had to be reminded. “Oh yeah, how you doing?” he asked, as the two fathers began to run into each other in the morning as they put their kids on the school bus in Satsuma. The Croslin family also showed up with school age children in tow, and one morning, Ronald saw Misty for the first time among the Croslin pack.
“He asked me what I thought,” Santos tells me in our interview, posted at artharris.com, remarking how young she looked, and only half joked and only half joking, “Ronald, 15 will get you 20.”
Soon, they were a couple, and Misty moved in, babysitting Ronald’s children, Haleigh and Junior, her little brother. “She’s the best girlfriend Ronald has ever had,” said Teresa Neves, Ronald’s mother, when we spoke in Satsuma after their Today Show interview.
Thanks, CathyJo, you rock!! Interesting article. I know that some people like Misty and think she’s incapable of hurting anyone (by her own words, too). However, even prior to reading some of Peter’s Statement Analyses, I thought that she seemed all over the place with her moods: sometimes up, sometimes down, other times strangely giddy/happy, etc. It all seemed to depend on what she was getting out the situation/how it was affecting her. For example, she was so happy when getting engaged, getting married, selling drugs. .. . not so much when answering questions, giving interviews, and being behind bars. So, this picture of her being at the very least frustrated and at the very most at her tipping point when picking up Haleigh seems to play right into her double-sided character. In other words, most people don’t have such huge mood shifts [even me]. JMO.
tobias said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
I dont even think Joe stole the gun the first time. Think about it you are a stranger over visiting with others at Rons. The first person who would be suspected of it is the stranger, he knows that. Tommy stole that gun and blamed it on Joe. Then later when all this is going down again its easy to blame the stranger Joe. jmo
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Exactly, Tobias. I do believe Tommy stole the gun and that is why it was in his culvert and not hidden out where Joe was staying which was Timmy’s.He had just stolen the old blind man’s gun the month before and he’s stolen guns since. I also think all the Croslins immediately starting pointing their collective fingers at Joe the day after Haleigh went missing probably to point it away from themselves..
Toughcookie–Sexual offender is a broad term and laws need to be set to classify these people. I was referring to child molesters and pedophiles. There is a high recidivism rate for these type of sexual offenders. The laws are lax in this department as we have seen with Donald Sapp. Look at John Couey, who was an RSO. He struck again after spending time in prison, as with countless others that are convicted to get out and take another victim. JMO
Appleamy said,in May 12th, 2010 at 4:03 pm Thanks, CathyJo, you rock!! Interesting article. I know that some people like Misty and think she’s incapable of hurting anyone (by her own words, too). However, even prior to reading some of Peter’s Statement Analyses, I thought that she seemed all over the place with her moods: sometimes up, sometimes down, other times strangely giddy/happy, etc. It all seemed to depend on what she was getting out the situation/how it was affecting her. For example, she was so happy when getting engaged, getting married, selling drugs. .. . not so much when answering questions, giving interviews, and being behind bars. So, this picture of her being at the very least frustrated and at the very most at her tipping point when picking up Haleigh seems to play right into her double-sided character. In other words, most people don’t have such huge mood shifts [even me]. JMO.You Know
Apple,thats a very good point,you are right!
ups and downs………I know when i was addicted to pk i was like that,you don’t wanna move if ya have none! If ya do you’re in high cotton,lol
maybe Misty was part of the gun thing with Tommy,i’ll believe that!
Thats true Vaq! scapegoat!
I never knew ron busted his hand up after the 911 call!
“He asked me what I thought,” Santos tells me in our interview, posted at artharris.com, remarking how young she looked, and only half joked and only half joking, “Ronald, 15 will get you 20.”
Soon, they were a couple, and Misty moved in, babysitting Ronald’s children, Haleigh and Junior, her little brother. “She’s the best girlfriend Ronald has ever had,” said Teresa Neves, Ronald’s mother, when we spoke in Satsuma after their Today Show interview.
toughcookie said,in May 12th, 2010 at 3:47 pm actually, it has been proven time and time again, that the ones who are actually “registered sex offenders” aren’t as likely to have committed another crime, as the ones out there, who nobody knows about, who haven’t been caught yet.
the way it is here in CA, people who must register as sex offenders, also have to wear a gps tracking device, for the rest of their lives.
Wow,I never knew that either!
“Snip”…Art reported that the river search was an area she told LE about right after Haleigh went missing and then again March 2010.
Chelsea Croslin, appears to have acquired specific knowledge as to key events surrounding Haleigh Cummings’ presumed death. While news to police and a captivated public, the location on the St. John’s river where Tommy may have indicated Haleigh’s body was disposed- site of an extensive search last week- apparently was not news to Chelsea Croslin.
According to Padilla, Chelsea suggested March 14 that the same area be searched and even helpfully drew him a map! And Chelsea now claims she had been suggesting that same search location to police ever since Haleigh disappeared. A couple of months ago another motive surfaced. Chelsea allegedly received a heretofore secret letter from Misty Croslin Cummings identifying the site as the place cousin Joe dumped Haleigh’s body.
So all along Chelsea was pointing to what is now believed to be the location of where Haleigh Cummings’ body may of been.
What I find of interest is that both Ronald and Chelsea talked about this location early on. Yet Misty said nothing? How would they know about the river?
Ronald also told bounty hunter “Cobra” about this location of the St.John’s river as well right after Haleigh was reported missing.
LE did not search the river even though Cobra sent in the tip and called LE over 80 times with no reply. Chelsea now claims she told LE about this area last year right after Haleigh was reported missing and again on March 14, 2010. I now wonder if Misty is not only covering for herself, but also Ronald and Chelsea? Chelsea has not be honest either and moved right after she had her baby up to MA. She claims her husband was in bed all night Feb 9th because he was on pain meds, yet we hear on one of the Cobra audios that Timmy had woken up at 1AM. The audio has been redacted IMO because the reason for Timmy waking up was not said on the audio.
We now have the rumor that Chelsea got a tattoo of Haleigh’s name and a picture of an angel on her foot. Reminds me of Casey Anthony..getting her tattoo after she alledgely killed her two year old daughter. Ronald also got a tattoo of Haleigh right after she went missing as well.
I would not be surprised if LE has Chelsea’s name down as one of the many POI in the Haleigh Homicide case.
YVW Apple!
At 8:30 p.m., cell phone records show a call between the couple who, sources tell me, fought over Misty’s desire to do some outside babysitting that night after he’d learned of her wild child excursion with Nay Nay and White Boy Greg Page just days before. No way, said Ronald, who kept texting, and leaving voice mail, but couldn’t reach her for hours — until she finally picked up her cell phone about 3:15 a.m.
Caught on convenience store security video, Ronald had just stopped at a nearby Handy Mart to buy beer, peanuts and cigarettes for them both, Miller says Ronald told him, raising questions why he’d be so considerate to a girlfriend who’d apparently been dodging his calls and playing around.
What happened between between those calls could be a matter of life and death for the missing child, and detectives are also looking at calls Misty apparently made to a brother, Timmie, who detectives interviewed Saturday on Cape Cod —and who had been in Satsuma when Haleigh vanished. At the same time, sources say looking at what happened earlier on Haleigh’s last day has helped investigators understand the curious dynamic between a 26 year old single father and the young babysitter Ronald first spied as she walked to the bus stop with her family last winter.
Bus stop parents, Santos and Mullis, and another grandfather who is a regular but asked to remain nameless, insist it was Misty who picked up Haleigh the last day she went to school—not Ronald.
However, Ronald maintains he picked up Haleigh, drove her home on his lap, then went to work at PDM Bridge Company. Other unidentified witnesses back Ronald’s account, according to sources close to the case, but I never found them.
Madge,exactly right,i thought i was here alone so was posting tidbits to refresh ppl like me,i forget too much,lol
Madge,the tattoo Chelsea has if infact its her foot,bugs me bad!! she is not even related to Haleigh? and an angel,
it has Haleigh and an angel,,,,,,,odd!
>>>>Ronald maintains he picked up Haleigh, drove her home on his lap, <<>>>Other unidentified witnesses back Ronald’s account, according to sources close to the case, but I never found them.<<<<<
why would he want to be the one so bad if he wasn’t?
I found it interesting in Art’s articles -thanks CathyJo- that there is a record of a call from Misty to Timmy that night-I didn’t remember that,
after the last search it was reported that they questioned Tim & Chelsea for 14 hours I think thats proof that LE deff think they are involved
Ronald Cummings did say that he was seventy-five per cent sure who took Haleigh. He was on television when he said it! One thing about a liar is if you tell one there is another to follow; this is the fact with Ronald Cummings. All those drug charges and arrests, he didn’t do drugs he says.
Some points i found and cc&p’ed! Interesting!
September 10th, 2009
I just listened to the tape. It brings back other points that have been brought out. These are the statements given.
1. taking Haleigh to Grandma Sykes to get the outfit she wanted to wear to school.
2. Grandma Sykes brought clean clothes for the kids, to the house that evening 7:00 – 7:30pm
3. Misty was washing Clothes?
Now, lets look at reality.
1. There were no clean clothes for Haleigh to wear to school.
2. The clothes were taken to Grandma Sykes to Wash, and Haleigh was taken to school.
3. There was no laundry detergent in the house.
4. There were dirty clothes in the Dryer.
5. The blanket in the Van? When was it put in the van?
If it had been there 24 hours earlier, what did they use as a blanket on Sunday night? this proves out because the other blanket was taken off the window on Monday night.
Conclusion: the blanket had to have been put in the van on Monday night. Therefore, the van – cousin Joe – misty were in the same location on Monday night.
Is this possible what Misty is hiding, the fact that she – cousin Joe – Blanket – Van were all out and about?
After, the weekend party, Misty knew where to go, to make money to buy drugs..
when you tell the truth.
—- during ronald and misty’s interview with greta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc misty said xxxxxx”YEAH I GOT UP TO USE THE BATHROOM, I DIDN’T MAKE IT TO THE BATHROOM, UM I WALKED INTO THE LIVINGROOM, NOTICED THE KITCHEN LIGHT WAS ON,xxxxxx and seen the back door opened, and when i seen the back door opened, i had ran back into the bedroom and that is when i noticed she was gone.
—- during her voice analysis misty says ((i tried to get misty’s words right))
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/faith/news-article.aspx?storyid=144034&catid=295
i don’t know why i woke up. xxxxxxI JUST WOKE UP.xxxxxx out of a deep sleep, just woke up. (what what happened when you woke up, what did you notice?)
the kitchen light was on. from where my bedrm is, like, kitchen after all the lights were sht off in the house, when i went to bed, that kitchen light i knew was off whn i went to sleep so xxxxxxTHAT KITCHEN LIGHT WAS JUST GLARING INTO MY BEDROOM. SO I GOT UP AND WENT TO THE KITCHENxxxxxx and that is when i noticed the back door was wide open.
If they slept in their bed on Sunday night, used Ronald’s car to go to GGM Sykes and then school on Monday morning and then Ronald ’supposedly’ was the one to pick up Haleigh at the bus stop, there wasn’t a time that the blanket would have gotten into the van. So, there was only two possible ways that blanket got into the van. Misty WAS the one who picked up the kids in the van (and I think most of us believe the bus stop parents on this) and it got in there then, although why would one put a bedspread into a van in the middle of the day just to pick up kids, OR it got in the van that night. I have to wonder if she pulled a Casey and she put the blanket in the van that night for the kids to sleep on while she did whatever it was she did. As to what happened after that, I can only guess. Too bad Jr’s blood wasn’t taken that night to see if maybe the kids were given something to knock them out (Benadryl and Tylenol was what I would give my daughter for flights when she was small to help her ears and it would knock her straight out).
Exactly Chakra…i dunno how i’d forgot all this!
its like reading all new stuff,lol for me.shewwwwwwww
Since she has the tattoo,something just screams Chakra!
looking for something!
There is soooo many inconsistices in what happend begining 24 hours even before she went missing, I have to ask why?
does anyone Know what time Ronalds and Tommy’s hearing is tomorrow??
they were at a bar,i thought a store?
SEPTEMBER 5-6 2009: HALEIGH CUMMINGS SIGHTING IN WALMART IN ABINGTON, MASS. TIMMY AND CHELSEA CROSLIN RESIDED IN ABINGTON, MASS. DURING THAT TIME. HOWEVER, TIMMY WAS IN SATSUMA, FLORIDA AT THE TIME OF HALEIGHS DISSAPEARANCE; There are documented phone records by LE that show MISTY CALLED HER BROTHER TIMMY CROSLIN “NUMEROUS TIMES” BEFORE RON GOT HOME FROM WORK, and most importantly, BEFORE the 911 CALL WAS PLACED. Remember this story anybody? LE from Satsuma, Fl. traveled TO MASSACHUSETTS and questioned Timmy and Chelsea Croslin for 12-14 hours! The sighting of Haleigh on VIDEOTAPE WAS NEVER SEEN ON THE NEWS. {not even on NG!} Why have other sightings of missing children been released to media/news, BUT NOT HALEIGHS? This story “MAGICALLY” dissapeared, just like HALEIGH. Remember also, the sighting of Haleigh in Tennessee approx. 2-3 DAYS after Haleigh’s dissapearance with a man who fit “Cousin” Joes resemblance? Oh, and of course LE questioned him and he was cleared?! Grandma Croslin lives in Tennessee…ART, I STILL DONT BUY THIS COINCIDENCE, C’mon!!! What did they do, travel up the Eastern Coast with her???!!!!
I don’t Chakra,sorry!
The thing that strikes me about all of this Ron staying with Misty to keep his enemies close to him:(1) Remember those early videos of Ron walking around with Misty under his arm? To me, he had a possessive look, proud as punch,”she’s mine, look!” This wasn’t any keeping your enemies close deal. (2) Misty told several people she was tired of keeping other people’s kids. She told WBG that she wanted babies with Ronald. She didn’t want to just raise Ronald’s kids. She wanted babies of her own with him. What do you think they stayed up all night talking about the night before Haleigh went missing? Was it that Misty couldn’t deal with Haleigh and wanted babies of her own? (3) TN and GGSykes gushing about Misty. TN gushing in an interview, right before Ronald and Misty got married: “I have never seen Ronald so in love with any other girl, like he has fallen in love with Misty.” (4) Ronald is still warning Misty to not say anything. Why wouldn’t he want the last person known to see his daughter to say anything? (5) What kind of deal was Ronald willing to make to keep Misty? He is still holding on to her, in one way or the other. Haleigh is gone, and Ronald and Misty are still tied to each other. I believe Misty when she says Ronald wanted her to get the tattoo to prove her love for him. I think these two have a sick, twisted thing for each other, and I would like to know just how much a part of this proving their love to each other was involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.
This is just my opinion.
CJ Misty said her blanket was in the van which makes sense since she was gone all weekend. She probably took her clothes and blanket with her when she left or Ron dropped them off.
hmmmmm thats weird!
you want me to find out Chakra??
So do I Karon,so do I!
WHY LIE,i DUNNO HOW YOU KEEP IT STRAIGHT,I AM BUMFUZZLED AGAIN,LOL
this tattoo bugs me tho!
First want to say to Iketa I’m sorry if I overreacted. I had a father who beat us with his belt if we laughed at night while going to sleep, a first husband who didn’t like me to smile in pictures, and a second husband who got mad if I made jokes…So maybe that’s my issue. I’ve been fighting depression for years and just hate to be denied a little LOL now and than.
Back on subject though. Two things or maybe three. First I noticed in pics of the MH there was a big lamp post outside of it. So, was it really that dark at night?
Second, I was wondering if Haleigh was capable of opening the back door. Someone mentioned the foot print being right off the plank (not sure how true), but it made me wonder if Misty was in a fury that night and Haleigh ran out the back door and Misty caught her at the end of the plank (just a thought).
Third: It is an interesting question whether they did take baths that night. They were playing outside seems they might get pretty dirty.
Great point CathyJo about the blanket, I have always kept the theory about her taking the kids and putting them in the car drugged up in order to sleep as a strong possibility and the blanket would go along with that, and she did keep bringing it up ,and I think Misty is like that , like I’m not supposed to talk about the pink elephant in the room but….what about the pink elephant in the room
Rather than copy and paste which makes for a very long comment, here is a link to an article about Ron and Misty and some odd behavior and analysis of it. I don’t necessarily agree with all of the analysis but it is still interesting.
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html
911: “Ok, now listen, tell your husband, do not touch anything- because we are going to get a k-9 out there”
Misty: “ok….she said don’t touch anything because they are bringing a k-9 out here”
>>>>>Ronald Cummings: “they better bring f’ing something out here- because if I get my hands on that mother f’er I’m going to kill him…I don’t give a f%*)@# about prison…mother F’ing prison doesn’t scare me.”
911:” ok, we understand- we’ve got them on the way
What’s her name…{redacted}…how do you spell her first name…{redacted}…what’s her middle name? …{redacted}. And the spelling of the last name is? …{redacted}.”
Misty: “well, that’s my last name”
911: “What’s her date of birth?
Ronald Cummings: “i’m going to f’ing kill somebody”
911:”Tell him we understand- we need to get her date of birth.”
Misty: “what’s her date of birth?”
Ronald Cummings: “F her date of birth- we need to find her- f her date of birth.”
right Chakra,whatever happens i know those blankets play a big part in it? somehow?
hm could also be why she washed them?
I looked at the Putnum clerk website and it only has a date not time maybe firstcoast or Jax4 will post about it
Sorry Mary (((((((((Mary))))))))about your miserable dad and husbands!
No,they said she couldn’t have opened the door?
oh ok Chakra,ty!
Haleigh Cummings Case: Misty Croslin’s Sister-in-Law Chelsea Interviewed in Massachusetts
By Pete Kotz in Child Abuse, missing persons, unsolved Saturday, Sep. 12 2009 @ 12:45PM10 comment(s)
The little girl’s aunt was interviewed in Massachusetts by police
Misty Croslin’s sister-in-law Chelsea and her husband have now been identified as the couple police interviewed in Massachusetts last weekend concerning the disappearance of her niece, Haleigh Cummings. But in an interview with WAWS-TV in Jacksonville, she doesn’t come off as a woman with something to hide:
On Haleigh’s disappearance:
“I don’t know anything that happened to Haleigh, and I wish to God I did. I wish that I knew where Haleigh was, and I wish I could find her and bring our baby girl home. Cause, she’s 6 years old and she does not to be out in the world without us.”
On the unwanted scrutiny her family is now receiving:
“We’ve now been thrown into the spotlight of this, were known as the Cape Cod couple. I mean, just to give us a name, this is nothing I ever in my life expected to have to go through. Its obviously not Haleigh’s fault I’m going through this, but I just don’t understand why I got thrown into this so hard.”
On her sister Misty’s possible involvement:
“Until somethings proven, were not going to believe it. Because we believe Misty. We know how good and great she is with our kids and she has 6 of her own nieces and nephews. She is one of the best people with children out there…”
Misty Croslin dropped out of school in the 6th grade. Her sister doesn’t think she’s smart enough to fool police
On Misty not being bright enough to fool police for all this time:
“She’s like my little sister. I’m not trying to say shes not a smart person, but you know, Misty dropped out of school in the 6th grade. She doesn’t have that much book smarts to be able to fool the FBI and FDLE and every other person that came there and interrogated her for hours and hours and hours and lie detected her over and over and over… I don’t think Misty, she could do it. She’s got a good heart, a good kid, and she loves children. I would trust misty with my kids, before a lot of other people in this world.
“You can see it in her eyes, all she is, is a hurt little girl. Shes gone through a lot in her life and shes going through a lot now and its tearing her apart, its really what its doing.”
The security light had to be activated by the power company at the request and cost of the customer. From pics I have seen of the MH at night the security light was not activated. The only light was from the front porch light
Chakra,I just wonder why she admitted she washed them? if you’re hiding evidence and why didn’t gramma sykes wash them too?
I don’t buy the stains on their clothes bit,BS!
WAS THE WASHER RUNNING WHEN LE GOT THERE?
as far as the back door scenario ~ i think it is what it is…nothing more than a smoke screen to attempt to throw off investigators…
a smoke screen that backfired terribly because the only way that door could have been opened that night was from someone on the inside, someone stronger then haleigh…
it was only opened and set in place by the brick to make LE believe the kidnapping theory
jmo
WhyLie,wasn’t it a fullmoon too? if i remember right?
me too Tough!!
she said in the 911 call,the brick wasn’t there when i went to sleep,well if they never used that door how did she know that?
CJ yes it was a full moon that night.
TY,WhyLie!
I almost think ron put it there,the brick!
Karon, that is an interesting line of thought.
Last night I played with the idea that Chelsea is way more involved. She had custody of Misty at some point, and they interviewed her for over 14 hours in Mass.
14 hours is a long time any way you cut it.
If Misty got in trouble who would she call to fix something?
I want to see phone records so bad.
Misty said they had to go all the way out to GGma Sykes’ house, because Haleigh’s favorite outfit that she wanted to wear was left there.
CathyJo: I know why point it out and iirc they didn’t even have laudry detergent, hopefully LE did tests on the blankets because if only washed in water there might still be evidence
In a police report that reads like another episode of Satsuma Meets Springer, we go ringside Thursday morning. It’s 8 a.m.,
breakfast time — Misty’s second day back home with family in rural Putnam County, Florida, since she slapped Tommy with a domestic violence charge for fighting with her now ex husband, Ronald Cummings—then, Tuesday told a judge she was no longer afraid of him, sources tell us, and asked that the injunction against him be dropped.
Bouncing between friends in Satsuma, Jacksonville and family in Tennessee, she’s had no place to live since Ronald divorced her, and as she took in the breakfast scene, must have wondered about her logic of coming home to Mama Lisa, recently out of jail herself on theft charges, and Daddy Hank (who’d accused her ex of trying to poison him with bad pills) — two parents ly nicknamed “crackheads”) who said publically they doubted she had told police everything she knew about Haleigh’s disappearance, but still loved her. Misty fondly calls her parents “crackheads.”
has fondly icknamed a
Now here was Misty, and the family stinkpot was cooking.
In one corner, looking “flushed…(his) left eye swollen:” an angry brother, Hank Thomas Croslin, Jr., 23, aka Tommy, who claimed he’d “thrown a bag of DVDs” to his Dad, who then “got mad and hit (him) in the head. ”
In another corner, actually, out on the screen porch we’ve visited: father Hank Croslin, Sr., who told a different tale, that “he and Tommy were wrestling,” then he grew “uncooperative,” and clammed up, said the report.
Does anyone know if Chelsea really got a tattoo of Haleigh on her foot or is it speculation?
right Karon,then sykes says,she brought them over……..so she didnt bring the one outfit Haleigh wanted,lol
Ronald was so proud of his, smirk “I was at werk” alabi.
Random,We got the news and the pic but if its true or not,I cannot tell you! wish i did know!
Tommy stated his left eye was swollen where Hank hit him,” according to the report,” but …refused to write a written statement. Tommy kept a hostile posture throughout the investigation…was extremely uncooperative…and, continued to try instigating verbal altercations with his father, Hank, and his mother, Lisa Carmen Croslin.”
Onlookers included not only Haleigh Cummings’ ex stepmom, Misty, 17, who reported Haleigh missing Feb. 10, and remains key to the investigation for what police believe she hasn’t revealed, but her party pal, Kristina Prevatt, 18. That’s right, Nay Nay, small town party girl now seeking shelter with a friend after her own purported domestic love spat.
It was Nay Nay who drove Ronald’s ex on what all described as a three day binge of sex, drugs and drinking with White Boy Greg Page, the weekend before Haleigh vanished.
There was also Tommy’s son, Austin, who misses playmate Haleigh terribly, his family tells me; the report said he’d just missed the school bus he used to take with Haleigh, but “did not want to go with his father because he was scaring him.”
”I don’t think anyone really got hurt,” Chelsea Croslin told me in a telephone interview. “It’s just, when Tommy gets riled up, he likes to yell a lot, and I guess he wouldn’t calm down, so someone called the police.”
Missing in action was Tommy’s wife, Lindsay, the rock of the family who is juggling nursing school with motherhood while living at ground zero amid a town aptly nicknamed Dysfunction Junction. She’d spent the night in the hospital, and was apparently waiting for someone to pick her up when the fight broke out, said Chelsea. “Someone told me they were fighting over who should go pick her up,” she said.
There was also Tommy’s son, Austin, who misses playmate Haleigh terribly, his family tells me; the report said he’d just missed the school bus he used to take with Haleigh, but “did not want to go with his father because he was scaring him.”
Quote:chakra7 said,in May 12th, 2010 at 5:03 pm Does anyone Know what time Ronalds and Tommy’s hearing is tomorrow??
Not sure what time they will be in court, Putnam Co. only gives out the court date and case info. Sorry
“Snip” http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php
Quote:
UCN: 542010CF000146XXAXMX
File Date: 2010-01-21 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: SHOEMAKER, TERRY J
Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias
UCN: 542010CF000253XXAXMX
File Date: 2010-02-03 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: SHOEMAKER, TERRY J
Defendant
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
Quote:
UCN: 542009CF001653XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-09-14 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
2010-03-31 36 CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
Date # Docket Description
2009-09-14 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. KEN TAYLOR (8/19/09)
2009-09-14 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-09-16 3 ARREST REPORT: GRAND THEFT (9/15/2009)
Quote:
UCN: 542010CF000147XXAXMX
File Date: 2010-01-21 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
Date # Docket Description
2010-01-21 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. T CAMPBELL (12/22/09)
2010-01-21 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2010-01-21 1 TRAFFICKING OXYCODONE
Someone told me they were fighting over who should go pick her up,” she said.
“Lindsay had two seizures last night,” her mother, Peggy Collins, told me in an exclusive interview, possibly grand mal seizures she believes were triggered by exhaustion and stress.
“Lindsay was not raised like that,” said Peggy. “I just hate what’s happening. She’s finishing nursing school, and her husband is in jail as we speak. He used to be such a good guy; he had a great job…Then he got on drugs and he just won’t straighten up. There’s a lot of help out here if he’s willing to ask for it.”
When it comes down to the family of missing six year old Haleigh Cummings, chaos –and drugs –seem to be an on-going theme. We’ve also learned that Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, has had an on going drug problem, her former lawyer reveals in a sworn affidavit she filed with the Florida bar—a drug problem she claims she didn’t know about until June.
Crystal and her mother, Marie, filed a complaint against Picazio for refusing to fight for custody of Haleigh and Junior, her son. But Picazio has now revealed that when she learned her client had lied to her about on going prescription drug abuse, she knew that was not a fight she could win, nor file in good conscience. We’re attaching her statement, with more filings to come
She has seizures too,cs does!
its all crazy and now crazier!
ROTFLMAO- CathyJo at 5:34 thats Hillarious
he was at ‘WERK” MAKING AN HONEST LIVING,AS opposed to what? his 2nd job wasn’t honest,lol
Levi_Page:I asked him yesterday about the tattoo, I hope he has some news for us.
He Will be on HLN’s “Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell” tonight at 7 PM ET / 6 CT tune in!
the brick,is that what gotcha Chakra,lol you got me giggling now!
omg you bet Madge,be there with bells on!
Hit him in the head with dvd’s? well geeO
TOMMYS OWN KID WAS SCARED OF EM’
Coming off of drugs, sometimes causes seizures.
musta been a whole pallet of em!
Yea it will Karon but i thought Lindsey didn’t use drugs!
Oh thanks MADJ-
CathyJo:
I noticed that honest living statement. I thought, “Give that boy a medal!”
Man,I can’t believe we aint heard about the fits you know Tommys had sonce being served divorce papers?
heck yea Karon,lolAMEN!
An honest living,gee imagine that? I don’t know anybody who does that!
They have said the dcs made him get An Honest job!
it was like wow i am superworker,gimme that Blue ribbon!
I don’t know about Lyndsy and drugs. If she doesn’t take much of any kinds of drugs, something light, could have almost killed her. It just seems odd that there are so many seizures and passing out in this bunch of people.
brb Ted needs help,grrrrrr
I have read that the FBI has been involved in this case. If that’s true, then I wonder if they did an FBI profile. I would really like to read that.
i would too Robin,
they sure do Karon,
I think the FBI was involved in this case. I think alot of the outlook of things would change if we knew what kind of drugs were being used by each person in the MH that night.
Tommy’s temper has been made known, now. Lisa, also, said she thought Ron was on crack the night he went after Tommy and Hank, Sr. She said he was uncontrollable and wild. (Something like that, and they should know it when they see it.)IMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtQegfTOc4Q&feature=related
video of Geraldo and Tm!
door as he claimed.
But Ronald’s mother, Teresa Neves, tried to defend her daughter in law, arguing how exhausted Misty was after three days of partying and an all – nighter with Ronald Sunday to try to iron out their differences– and how she COULD have easily slept through the banging, but not the kids…Was she perhaps suggesting Haleigh might have awakened, or vanished before Misty woke up?
sykes says different?
bbs,he’s hollerin at me again,lol
Hi all,
Seems like I’m always in a hurry anymore. Tried to catch up on the comments last night, but didn’t post. I feel like I need to read before adding to the comments. I’d love to come back and chat with some of you. I’ve missed being here. I see it’s been pretty heated at times. I know the most of you are just passionate about finding and bringing justice for Haleigh. Most of you have some very good points. I just wish something would happen soon. This has gone on long enough.
I can’t say I have one theory anymore. There has been so much nonsense. We just need facts. I’m not sure what to believe anymore. I don’t believe anything I hear on Nancy Grace, so this is my source for information.
Cathy Jo: I haven’t had the opportunity to talk with you, but I do have to say you are refreshing to BNN. You call things like you see them, you are honest and sometimes you break the tension and we can get a bit of a laugh. There is so much stress that we need that from time to time. I’m a country gal too, so I know where you are coming from. I love your humor.Keep doing what you do. Don’t worry about what anyone else thinks.
Okay, to my point, sorry about the rambling. I’m not saying this happened, but since Granny Flo brought up Misty being jeleous of Haleigh, it’s made me think. It is a real possibility. I can tell you from experience, it happens. It’s hard when you are used to being Daddy’s little girl and someone else comes along and gets Daddy’s attention. Mind you, my step-mother was a lot older than Misty, but she still made my life hell. I was 7 years old when my Mother died, then my Dad met this woman. Plain and simple, this woman hated me. She didn’t physically abuse me because she knew someone would tell, but she abused me mentally and emotionally. I didn’t even know what sex meant, but she would say horrible things to me. She told me one day I would be out walking and a man would come along, then I would come home crying with blood running down my legs. She scared me to death. She would put baby oil in my hair and tell me it would make me pretty. I went to school with my hair all greasy. Well, I won’t go into a bunch of grisly details, but you get the idea. So yes, it’s possible she wanted Haleigh out of the way, then she would have Ron all to herself.
By the grace of God and a loving Aunt, I was taken out of that situation or who knows what would have happened to me. An alcoholic Father is not capable of taking care of a little girl no matter how much he may love her.
I hope no one takes offense to this, I’m not saying it happened, just saying it’s possible. It just recently came to my mind.
Hope when I get to come back you are still here.
Let’s just keep praying for Haleigh and her family.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/03/25/haleigh-cummings-case-misty-and-ron-inside-the-prayer-vigil/
Heres a vid of the 1st vigil,Misty looks disturbed here! almost like she wants to break but can’t?
tough cookie, excellent last post
StormGrardener,
Thank you….I don’t know what i did to get all these compliments here but i have to be honest,its a great feeling to be wanted around and not just there cause ya have to be,ya know,I have always felt if theres 100 people in a room i am the one in everybodys way,why i can’t say the word,b-y-e- or
h-e-l-l-o-to this day………I’d rather just disappear unnoticed,now i have let my secret out….lol see thats why i just poof! but its easy to tell how i feel with people who seem to understand that i don’t mean to be the way i am sometimes,i have good days,bad as we all do but to be amongst people who make it easy to just be myself brings me to tears really,it does! I have never once had that till here and its why yall mean more to me than well….anything has in a long long time!
and I love seeing yall every single day!
Most of my life i’ve had the want to be normal,lol in me but just couldn’t show it too anyone for many reasons but i love laughing with you guys so much and once again,now i am gonna bawl Again! cause youins make it so easy!
Random, I totally believe that if Misty was in trouble she would call Timmy and Chelsea. I also believe that if Misty was going to “protect” somebody it would be Timmy and Chelsea.
Remember when Amber Brooks’s mom, Lisa, assaulted Misty, it was Chelsea that went after Lisa and beat her up.
I’m gonna rename this blog to TearJerkin Alley!LoL
I didn’t know that WhyLie!
you do have a beutiful positive energy CathyJo-your honesty is so raw it inspires others and well I just love blogging with you
Here you go CJ
Defendant
BROOKS, LISA ANN
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2008-10-06 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ 09-25-08
2008-10-06 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2008-10-06 1 BATTERY/ MISTY CROSLIN
2009-03-24 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO ALL CTS
Defendant
CROSLIN, CHELSEA
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2008-10-06 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ 09-25-08
2008-10-06 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2008-10-06 1 BATTERY/ LISA BROOKS
2009-04-30 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO CT I – BATTERY
2009-05-07 3 COPY OF NO INFORMATION RETURENED UNEXECUTED
Chakra,Thank You and it means the world to me to hear you say that,you guys are the best crowd a gal OR GUY could hope for!
I love blogging with you and all the bloggers too!!!!!!!!!
Great point Why Lie- Misty lived with Tim and Chealsea,I think thats why she counts on them and would turn to them
TY WhyLie,how did i miss that,I hope we can find out if thats Chelseas Tattoo or not? might explain alot?
These guys have me all choled up,lol
see,I didn’t know or had forgot she lived with them tho nowwwwwww it rings a bell!
choked up,not choled..well maybe that too but whats it mean? lol
chakra I agree she would count on them and would turn to them AND she would also protect them, imo, before she would protect anybody else
what do you guys make of the tattroo?
and see Misty is still the only one who wasn’t 18 out of all of them,right?? or am i wrong there too?
CJ I haven’t quite grasped the tattoo yet. It just blows me away if indeed it is Chelsea’s tattoo
the youngest that everybody could help out if she was arrested? wink’ ya never know!
you and me whylie,and thats everybodys response so sommin is wrong!
I think Chelsea knows more than she is telling, but I don’t think she had anything to do with Haleigh going missing. Timmy may have been in on getting rid of her body to help Misty, however. IMO
Right CJ, Misty was 16. I have also thought that her being beat up by Lisa, based on the date of the assault, may have been what contributed to Ron moving, not wanting Lisa and Amber to know where he and Misty were.
Then heres Chelsea sayionmg she ponted toward the st johns river too right?
I hate to say it,well not hate but don’t like it but my theory changed when i saw the tattoo!
I can’t confirm the tatoo that it is indeed Chelsea’s but they were talkin about it last night on scared monkeys like it was fact- I do believe its her foot and I believe it ‘s confirmation that Chelsea knows shes gone , like a memorial
she also pointed out the scratch on the van too right?
Chelsea was the first one to throw JO under the bus
I agree completely!chakra and why lie but i think Chelsea might have participated or they all know way more than anybody else Karon,and they were all down here together? Chelsea and them leave!
fishy!!!!!
Exacvtly and mistys jail call to chelsea,think Chelsea,you’ll know,could have been staged who knows!
I am about to lean toward a huge family conspiracy here!jmo
homespain said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Rather than copy and paste which makes for a very long comment, here is a link to an article about Ron and Misty and some odd behavior and analysis of it. I don’t necessarily agree with all of the analysis but it is still interesting.
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html
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Not to argue with you but just to put my 2 cents worth in here about eyesforlies. She also accused Somer Thompson’s mom of being in on the disappearance of Somer and analyzed her
right into being the bad guy.
How utterly sick to have said the things she did about Somer’s mom. Somer was brutally raped and murdered by a huge perverted ass that doesn’t deserve air but eyesforlies had the audacity to blame the mother. A single mom that was working to support her children. Who had taught them about strangers. Who had told her kids to walk and stay together. I didn’t even read your link because eyesforlies has NO VALUE to me over Somer’s mom. JMO
imagibe too if Chelsea would jump someone for her,imagine what she felt when she heard the story of ron rolling misty in a ball to make her lose a baby!
and I am certain misty told her!
I will say i bet its chelseas tattoo!
gonna look for sommin brb
Cathy, I believe the post above about the fight Tommy and Hank had was the one Lidsy talks about on tape of Misty and Tommy beating Hank up for his pills. If you notice NayNay was also there. Then was never around again, I think that incident even shocked her. Misty and Tommy were both out of control. Misty is an addict as bad as Tommy is and so is Ron.
I think thats why Misty had to come back to Florida, she didnt have a drug supplier in Tenn. jmo
I have been thinking about LE classifying this as a homocide and telling Ron and Crystal to plan a funeral. Could they be doing this because then there would more than likely be a gravesite, which experience tells us that sometimes a criminal might visit a grave of a victim after a crime? It seems a farfetched theory I know but nothing makes a lot of sense in this case. If a funeral or memorial is held, LE would likely monitor this and act on suspicious people. Just thinking out loud.
Chelsea says ever since this investigation began, her family has been struggling to stick together.
“If I was sitting on the outside and looking in on this family, Id see the 17 year old girlfriend and just the way everything’s happened, maybe I would go more towards the Croslin family. But, you know, I know everybody in our family and every single one of us loves children. We all love each others children and none of us would hurt them and I think they’ve geared the investigation toward the Croslin’s from day one,” said Chelsea.
“We tried starting our lives over here. We moved up here so my girls could get a good education. We could get a good home and be around our family, and when all of this got over with in Florida we could be together and just continue on with our lives and let our kids grow up and have normal lives. And now, they’re making us out to be something were not,” Chelsea said.
Chelsea Croslin also spoke about why she believes Misty has nothing to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.
“Until somethings proven, were not going to believe it. Because we believe Misty. We know how good and great she is with our kids and she has 6 of her own nieces and nephews. She is one of the best people with children out there,” said Chelsea.
“She’s like my little sister. I’m not trying to say shes not a smart person, but you know, Misty dropped out of school in the 6th grade. She doesn’t have that much book smarts to be able to fool the FBI and FDLE and every other person that came there and interrogated her for hours and hours and hours and Lie detected her over and over and over… I don’t think Misty, she could do it. She’s got a good heart, a good kid, and she loves children. I would trust misty with my kids, before a lot of other people in this world,” Croslin said.
Chelsea Croslin and her husband Tim say they moved from Florida to get away from the investigation and give detectives the space they needed to get the job done. They both say they will continue to cooperate with investigators and answer any questions they may have.
she goes to the hilt to defend Misty and she’s being accused of Harming the Haleigh? whose name
SHE TATTOOS ON HER FOOT?
You’d think she’d want no (no disrespect,please believe me on that) but reminders if she loves Misty so much! sorta,see what i’m saying……cause they’re not related at all to her!
Exactly Robin,we can’t explore just one reasoning in it………too many untruths and ppl involved,i see what you mean…….honest!
if it was Mistys tattoo i could see it!
IMO The door propped open has nothing to do with the crime. It is common place for the shock on the storm doors to be broken on these
mobilehome rentals. Those folks normally prop them open just to keep them from swinging. Why would they not just have used the adjust rod on the storm door rather than located a cinderblock and prop the door open. In my opinion Haleigh was not raped or killed at the mobile home site but probably at the hands of someone away from there. Tommy knew Timmy had pain pills since Timmy was knocked out from pills. Tommy had none. Would Tommy have made his way to Timmy’s? I have never known but one pill head and he would even go thru his married children’s home if he knew they had any type of dental work done, or back injuries Cathy Jo would be the subject matter expert on that sort of thing.I don’t think Misty knows one thing. She is just not that smart to keep quite. She almost seems delayed. Did the gun in the ditch have any shots fired? If it did Tommy Croslin killed that baby. Timmy and Chelsea are protecting Tommy. How could Chelsea raise Misty. Misty would have been fourteen when she married Timmy. Chelsea is
an enabler she thinks she can fix this broke
family.
get away to get the job done? what kinda sense does that make if they tell the truth it would HELP the investigation,how are she and timmy taking up more space to hinder anything,lol 2 ppl for God’s sake!
OJ… Chelsea’s “alleged” pinky toe looks like a thumb!
Coop,The only thing i can help with there is ya don’t just knock out on what i tool………Lorcet 10’s and i took 10-2-0 a day but see if your body is used to them you wouldn’t just knock out,know what i am saying?
Now if you went from taking lets say 3 a day to 6 or more a day then yessssss!
i never took oxycontin or roxies so i can’t help there and i am so glad i can’t help with the crack,i hear that can make ya do all kinds of crazy things!
CathyJo63 said,in May 12th, 2010 at 7:32 pm Coop,The only thing i can help with there is ya don’t just knock out on what i took………Lorcet 10’s and i took 10-20?
sorry goofed so much!
maybe someone else knows about that but if tommy couldn’t even go to work without some right?
Then hes in bad shape and bad need believe me………………..and prolly capable of anything to get them!
Misty said tho the brick wasn’t there when she was asleep,if they didn’t use that door,how does she know?
Coop,I am glad you don’t know!!!!!
But you build a tolerance to painkillers,you start with maybe 2-3 a day for a month,then 5-6 a day then etc…….honest a person who has been on them for awhile can take wel no limit really……….in a sense……….but if you withdraw for awhile and just take 2-3 it can kill you but if you keep it in your body your tolerance is way high!
what would knock an elephant out won’t touch you and you stull arent high enough?
LoL aDAMS,oJ’S INTO TOES?
SOMETIMES I WONDER TOO IF MAYBE A GUN WAS GOING TO BE TRADED FOR DRUGS YA KNOW,DEAL GONE BAD,I DUNNO!
sorry again guys shewwww
its about time for JVM? Isn’t it? is that the show we are waiting on?
tobias said,in May 12th, 2010 at 7:17 pm Cathy, I believe the post above about the fight Tommy and Hank had was the one Lidsy talks about on tape of Misty and Tommy beating Hank up for his pills. If you notice NayNay was also there. Then was never around again, I think that incident even shocked her. Misty and Tommy were both out of control. Misty is an addict as bad as Tommy is and so is Ron.
I think thats why Misty had to come back to Florida, she didnt have a drug supplier in Tenn. jmo
Ya know Tobias,I bet youre 100% right on that!
I believe thats what she was referring too as well!
and it explains her highs and lows!
explains all their weight gain too,I weighed 87 lbs tobias,in a week i had meat on my bones,lol
and that was painlillers!
If they were on crack or whatever,omg
and that was painlillers!
If they were on crack or whatever,omg
they say thats the worst withdrawls…….it might be,i can’t say!
but i know mine were bad enough!OMG
Well, lol here’s one more worthless opinion but I don’t believe that gun was ever in the ditch. I think it was at Tommy’s house and Misty was probably in on it being stolen and sold to get them some pills. When Ron threw such a fit on the phone she probably told Tommy that Ron knows it’s you and he’s going to kick your ars. So Tommy gave the gun back to Misty and they made that story up and blamed Joe to calm Ron down.
Who would steal a gun and then put it in a ditch?
Like I said just one more worthless opinion.
but i can only imagine,because they say you can become an addict your very 1st time so wowwwwwwwwww!!! powerful!
I dunno how they made it,but they said they had meds right? in jail?
cat dixon said,
in May 11th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Here is what I think… Misty is covering up for Ron. I think that he married her to show her his “undying love” for her. She is just a kid. She is also madly in love with him. You notice that he has never (since all this happened), had a bad word to say about her. He never even looked at her as a suspect. That is pretty good for a guy that that has verbally and physically abused women. I can not help from thinking that he is remaining loyal to her (even married her), to keep her constantly reminded that he would “do the same for her”. Why? So she will be just as loyal to him by not snitching on him. I mean really, this is a guy that swore that he would kill some one if they took his child. I find it hard to believe that during this past year, that he did not get her in the back room and do what EVER he had to do to make her talk or remember. This is the last person to see his child alive, and all he can say when questioned by NG about what misty says happened is ” just the same story she told every one else”. Bull crap! Which story? Hey I could be way off track here but in my opinion, he is being way to nice to someone that he, any other time at least would have threatened her (and that is putting it nicely). Little girls do funny things for love. And grown men do manipulative things to little girls. Maybe Tommy did help with some part of this mess (I think that is why he is afraid to talk), but I think Misty is “protecting her man”, and Tommy is saving his own butt for his involvement (after the crime). I think he got involved in the first place out of “loyalty” to Misty. As far as Ron, I am willing to bet that he is their man!
I do agree Treece,theres sommin about that gun story that don’t add up!
Daughter phone,brb
Rons rant about his boxers in jail makes me wonder why there was no soap for the wash and why the laundry was piling up. I believe he complained about his boxers to GGSykes because she always did his laundry, I think Ron has always been taken care of and coddled by these women. They enabled him in everything including his laundry. Ron always had a girlfriend or his Mother or grandmother to take care of the kids and him.jmo
Does anyone here know what time Tommy and Ron are to be in court tomorrow? Since Tommy said he doesn’t want a jury trial will he receive his sentance on the drug charges tomorrow? Thanks in advance, and justice for Haleigh.
Treece I also believe it was Tommy that took the gun and not JO. I haven’t gone over to the side that Misty helped Tommy steal the gun but I believe she knew it was Tommy and not JO, or at least suspected strongly that it was Tommy.
I heard the tatoo mentioned here last night for the first time. So, they are saying it’s Chelsea’s? If true, something is very wrong with this picture. Can she really be that naive? Just my opinion, but I don’t picture her being naive. Of course LE has come out and stated that Haleigh is not alive, so could that be why? Just trying to rationalize their behavior I guess. My first mistake is comparing them to a normal family I guess.
MissBetty I don’t know what time the hearing is but I am pretty sure Tommy will not be sentenced tomorrow. He has pled not guilty. Tommorrow he can request a jury trial, trial by judge, or change his plea. If he changes his plea, like Hope did, then they will bring him back at a later date for sentencing
This is a bit off the wall, but about GGMS doing the children’s laundry is not out of the norm for me. Of course I was a 17 year old Mother and knew nothing about housekeeping and laundry, so my Aunt that raised me did my daughter’s laundry when she was an infant. She just had a way of getting stains out and there was no way she was having her neice wearing stained clothing. Bless her heart. Of course since she raised me, it was more like her grandaughter. Of course this was the same Aunt that made meatloaf and had it where all I had to do was put it in the oven. Lol
I was given some life lessons before I was turned loose with a child.
I got that idea when Misty was talking about it and the only one she said would never steal it would be Timmy. She never says Tommy wouldnt. Tommy has stolen 2 guns since then and has a thing for B/E and he doesnt travel far to do it. I dont think Misty was pulled into drugs by Ron or others either, I think she was doing them as far back as 14 when she went to N.J with Rob. Wished we knew more about that guy other than what Lindsy and Tommy say about him beating on her. I know there was more in the beginning when her my space was still up. jmo
I don’t believe drugs were anything new to Misty either. I think the videos prove that. She was quite comfortable dealing drugs. That wasn’t her first rodeo. Yes, I feel bad for the entire family. I’m trying hard to refrain from bad mouthing them too much. If they are in fact innocent of harming Haleigh, I would feel horrible. Yes, the drug issue is bad, but it’s a far cry from murdering a child.
Surely someone has to know something. I know there have been cases where a child has been taken from their own home, so it is possible. The difference is the way these people act. I don’t get it.
I wanted to add that Misty said the gun was in the culvert, which is like a drain pipe that runs under driveways. They are used a lot in Florida for drainage. Thieves hide things in culverts because they are in the easement and if found by LE they can not say it was found on their property.
Goodnight all hope we get more news in the morning, maybe someone will break and finally talk? jmo
Treece, your argument for Tommy vs. Joe stealing the weapons sounds most plausible. I’m sure someone has thought this before, but I wonder if Haleigh was taken in payment for drugs. As she could be traded as part of the human trafficking that goes on for money. I have a close friend whose boy was kidnapped. We have searched for him for many years and in the process we both have been shocked to find out how much of that actually is going on.
I think Tommy would steal wooden nickels off a dead mans eyes and I also think Misty knew the drug scene very well for someone her age,it was the first thing that jumped out at me after seeing this sorta mousy lil girl in the viodeos and then I saw the uc videos and they were unbelievable,she knew exactly what she was doing,obviously!!! even sticking the money in her bra was a natural thing to her,like 2nd nature….usually you think for a secoond wheres the best spot,lol
as i have always said,right between the only 2 suckers she could trust,lol
cathy your bad.. 🙂
I agree Homespain,my daughters neighbors, daughter went missing over a yr ago too and not even a clue,her car was found burned right below her dads house at 3:am and he’s the last one who saw her and unfortuanatley,he’s a crackhead and don’t remember a thing?
well its true oj,you know you love it….come on toe guy!!
I didn’t know you knew anything about being bad OJ,such a charming guy such as yourself,lol
(@_@)
when we meet wear a little sundress and sandals.
of course,just for you with extra porcupine pokers,lol
you are a nut OJ! lol
I always wanted mr.tall dark and hansome OJ,I hear you’re short fat and bald! ROFL
just turning on NG..should be alot to talk about tomorrow after court.
DON’T HATE ME,PLZ?
LOL you know i am joking!
Cathy Jo63 consider checking out the Eyes for Lies blog and website. I think with your observations so far, you would really enjoy learning some of the skills this blogger has for detecting lies. She is one of fewer that 50 people so far, scientifically verified, to be what is called a super wizard. These people have uncanny abilities naturally for perceiving lies. The measurement requires at least 80% accuracy. As a result of this testing she decided to describing how she does this. Which also helps us get better at finding out whether things are for real. Who knows you may be surprised at your own skills and feel even more confident. Also you find as you revisit the videos or tapes, suddenly see something that wasn’t obvious before. Just like life where we go it’s so obvious now, how did I not see that when i was 20 yro.
Yup, Misty seems a pro. Everyone says Misty and Ron are dumb. They may come across that way, even have learning deficiencies but I don’t think they are as dumb as most think. Furthermore, seeming dense really is a good defense to keep others confused and to underestimate you. Misty really utilizes this allot. She takes advantage of her youth, petiteness, femininity, and innocent looks. I think you are on to her.
i wish i had her too,i don’t have cable,lol the livestreams just mess up!
did you learn if thats Chelseas tatoo??
I love eyesforlies,always check it out Hompspain!
so oj like toe jam not marmalade
I don’t think they’re dumb at all,not for a second HomeSpain! Look at this mess! Proof!
I do know too that children who grow up with drug users as parents or are abused have to grow up way too fast and they learn alot along the way!
he luvs toejam footballs!
lol
No kidding though,I love eyesforlies,it amazed me when i first saw it,i check often but haven’t seen any updates in a few!
i didn’t know it existed but once i found it,wow
I hope we do get news tomorrow,i can’t wait!
nite all good job tonite cathyJo63
time to get something!
some from eyesforlies,
Later in the interview, Cummings says very strangely and out of nowhere, when he deeply sobs, “I do plan to take the trash out when it is time.” This blindsides you. It’s not related to anything being said at the time. It’s like Cummings is in his own world. I am sure like most people, at first you think, what is he talking about?? It’s absolutely perplexing.
But when I watch him say it and watch his emotions, he shows pure destitution in his face. Like someone sold his soul. It’s absolutely haunting. I can’t help but wonder, is this some type of warning he is contemplating suicide “when it is time”? Perhaps, if he were to get caught?
What else could this statement mean? Is he warning us? Is he under the influence of drugs here and extra emotional? Also, just after he says it, and thinks about it, he also shows true distress and sadness on his face. It’s alarming and notable. But when the reporter asks the next question, all of these genuine emotions fade away again.
The reporter asks, what would you say to people who may have information out there? Notice Cummings doesn’t even think to talk to his daughter again. Why?
Like the today show in NY,he never once looked into the camera though on Greta he tells Misty too? odd imo
gnite…sweet dreams!
Both Cummings and Croslin’s body language in all the videos I see displays a sense of defeat. They are hunched over. Their shoulders come forward. They physically look down, and act subdued. It appears they have no hope whatsoever, again and again, that Cummings’ daughter will be returned to them. This strikes me as very odd. Why aren’t they tense, nervous and anxious to find her? That would be normal. They should be on edge that things might not happen fast enough, yet there is no urgency with these two. Anyone can spot that? Why aren’t these two on a mission to find Haleigh? Compare their behavior to that of George and Cindy Anthony. It’s notably different.
heres a site you might like cathy, some interesting reading.
womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/
Cathy: steal wooden nickels off a dead mans eyes, Lol, I haven’t heard that in a long time.
Yep, Misty takes the money, puts it in her bra, leans over closer and smiles at the UC.
If actions speak louder than words,then just watch all the videos.
I’ve just never seen anyone be so indifferent about a missing/murdered child. That she “loved like her own”. To me, Tommy acts the same way. He doesn’t even want to talk about it.
They seem to be detached. Yeah, they say I love you a lot, but I’m not sure they really know how.
There are so many scenerios. So many things could have happened to poor Haleigh.
Night all
tobias said,in May 12th, 2010 at 7:56 pm Rons rant about his boxers in jail makes me wonder why there was no soap for the wash and why the laundry was piling up. I believe he complained about his boxers to GGSykes because she always did his laundry, I think Ron has always been taken care of and coddled by these women. They enabled him in everything including his laundry. Ron always had a girlfriend or his Mother or grandmother to take care of the kids and him.jmo
LoL tOBIAS,AGREED!
oj,lol gALE ST JOHN,PREDICTS,DRUGS INVOLVED,BABYSITTER KNOWS,LMAO!
LOL stormGardener,agreed!!!!!!!!
Thank You OJ,I love that stuff,lol
gonna check it out oj,brb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLvUmKLstH0
Criminal profiler slams Ronald!
I’m sure yall saw my post at 7:10 but please help me understand. How can you place any value on eyesforlies when she wrote those awful things about Somer THompson’s mom??
I think that was so cruel to say about a grieving mom and it is now proven mom had nothing to do with it.
treece said,in May 12th, 2010 at 9:38 pm I’m sure yall saw my post at 7:10 but please help me understand. How can you place any value on eyesforlies when she wrote those awful things about Somer THompson’s mom??
I think that was so cruel to say about a grieving mom and it is now proven mom had nothing to do with it.
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looked at that site one time..bogus.
you don’t have a post at 7:10..btw
OJ that is all it took for me too. I thought the things she wrote about Diane Thompson was horrible, especially under the circumstances. I
was just wondering how some of the one’s that like her felt good about her. Maybe I am missing something. To me all this case needs to totally be in the twilight zone is one more “psychic” and one more “expert”. LOL
treece,
I’ve never been to that site and have no desire to check it out. Way too many bogus “experts” trying to get their 15 minutes out of this case and cases like it.
OJ look again, maybe we are in different time zones, if it’s not there check 8:10 maybe.
Here is the heading:
treece said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
I know in St. Johns County they don’t give times just dates, the prosecutors come in with a big stack of files, the accused are kept in a room and when they get finished with one case they move on to the next. I know this because unfortunately my daughter (then 19) was picked up for DUI and we went through this process. You show up at 8:00 am and are there until your case is called, no time given. Luckily for me this scared the Sh*t out of her and she is now a college graduate and doing great. She says she would never go to St. Johns County jail ever again, scariest place she has ever been, but it definitely put the fear of God in her and set her on the straight and narrow! Of course having a mom that laid down the law and let her know that I wasn’t going to pay for her messing up (ie. you mess up again and I will not pay for college) probably didn’t hurt.
Treece I like allot of what is on there, I did find the Sommer Thompson post very offensive actually. Also the Benet one. I think there is allot that is valuable there though, used properly.
I also think that some people present themselves badly and are found guilty in a court of law -and then we can say yup they were lying.
I’d also like to see the same scientific studies used for the poor people who were later vindicated of their crimes, to demonstrate how professionals can also do great harm. I like the blog allot never the less. No one is my god and i take everything with a grain of salt and meticulously investigate things for myself. Over all though there is allot to learn from it, on a more scientific way by checking out some of the better studies and books written on the subject. I learned the hard way for example, in clinical research studies that their is a llot of bs going on and people would be shocked if they knew what the FDA does, and also how skewed all of of studies are. I’ve also done fraud investigations, and when you start to mix everything you learn you eventually start to see how allot of things aren’t what they seem. I’m not very trusting as a result. I do not like people to go to jail for the wrong reasons. I have seen for myself evil lawyers and police and judges put the innocent away. I’ve also seen the best in people. We need to stay vigilant. Was going to sleep but damn never ending storms are tooo loud. I hope that this blogger, who i happen to like will see things differently at some point. I do know that if she does find she is wrong she does own up which is a good start. But frankly Treece, I see the same thing happening here on this blog. We all have put down our thoughts condemning people who to our shock may turn out to be innocent of murder, or negligent homicide. you’ve done some good posting tonight.
me I agree, it is sad how many have tried to attach themselves to this case just to promote their own agenda. I know that many have been involved for Haleigh and for those I am thankful but it seems like this case has brought out every nut and wanna be there is. It is sad how much time has been wasted on them that could have been spent on searching for the truth about Haleigh.
OJ you should know about bogus toejam obam lover he
LadySadie, so glad your daughter made good choices and overcame her mistake!!!! What a blessing!!!
homespain, thank you for sharing your thoughts and I respect your opinion.
You are so right we have all judged and misjudged and I am very guilty of that. To me there is a huge difference in a blogger blasting out a wrong opinion and these that claim to be “professionals” or “experts” using “scientific” info.
But I agree to disagree, hope you have a good night.
OJ’s glove said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
heres a site you might like cathy, some interesting reading.
womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/
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THANKS ORANGE…AWESOME READ…NIGHT ALL 😉
Thanks treece, she made a stupid choice, had always been a 3.5 to 4.0 student, was on the deans list at college at UNF and was partying with some other college students and decided to drive home to St. Augustine from Jacksonville Beach instead of calling me to come get her. She was actually extremely lucky they decided not to charge her with underage drinking also. Patti Christensen was her judge and she is usually very tough, but I am an administrator with the St. Johns County School District and she talked with me before she even brought my daughter into the courtroom and guess she figured this is one whose parent is not going to just let her get away with it. I wouldn’t even hire a lawyer for her, told her she knew she was in the wrong and she was just going to have to face the consequences, but that I would stand behind her if she did the right thing.
she wroter bad things about Somer?
You’re joking me,I have never reaad about Somer there,only misty ron and drew peterson!
Me- I’m glad you’ve decided what is bogus before you check something out. That’s fine, don’t check it out. It was an opportunity for you to perhaps learn something that might assist you in being better able to decide when you hear and look at things to evaluate things. it was a source of information only not someone who is attached here claiming to be an expert wannabe. No need to denigrate something when you really don’t have your facts.
OJ I see why you aren’t convincing people of your point of view. You are lovey with who you like for now, and unnecessarily crappy with those you don’t, guess what girls, when OJ doesn’t like you anymore he turns rude and endlessly illogical. Stop being so emotional. Too bad OJ,there lurks intelligence in there.
night all
I am gonna go read it later just since yall got my curiosity up now!
If thats true,in no way will i go there again but i do wanna see what she said about Somers mom!
Homespain, Thank you for the link. It was great to revisit that article and I felt like I was seeing Ronald and Misty’s reactions (or lack thereof) and everyone else’s movements clearly with new eyes. (They are ALL GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!) I think Ronald is “the key” to finding out what really happened. He is the “Orchestrator.”
maryd, I too had a vicious and very violent father who was abusive in almost every way possible.(dangling my brother by one foot out of a 2nd story window, getting picked up off the ground solely by the ears and physically thrown through plaster walls, being hit with a long piece of wood that had several long nails on one end of it, me being entombed, wrapped up like a mummy in duct tape, head to toe, while tied to a chair and very nearly dying from the lack of oxygen, and so on. TOO many other torturous actions to mention and for no discernible reasons other than what the unheard voices in his head were telling him~he wasn’t clinically mentally ill~just a mean mother plucker.) He didn’t allow us to laugh either. I understand where you are coming from and I appreciate your stance. We all want justice for Haleigh and it is frustrating when there is no news in this case.
oh great, another stalker..
as long as cathy thinks I’m ok I’m good. 😉
I always think you’re ok OJ!
ty guys for alerting me to eyesforlies……
I saw Somers moms today show clip and i have no idea hoq anybody could even suspect Somers mom of lying!
Its obvious she isn’t!!!!!!!!
lol@another stalker.rofl
She’ll prolly help ya rob a bank OJ,you’d better be nice!
Iketa said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
maryd, I too had a vicious and very violent father who was abusive in almost every way possible.(dangling my brother by one foot out of a 2nd story window, getting picked up off the ground solely by the ears and physically thrown through plaster walls, being hit with a long piece of wood that had several long nails on one end of it, me being entombed, wrapped up like a mummy in duct tape, head to toe, while tied to a chair and very nearly dying from the lack of oxygen, and so on. TOO many other torturous actions to mention and for no discernible reasons other than what the unheard voices in his head were telling him~he wasn’t clinically mentally ill~just a mean mother plucker.) He didn’t allow us to laugh either. I understand where you are coming from and I appreciate your stance. We all want justice for Haleigh and it is frustrating when there is no news in this case.
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Iketa, That is absolutely horrible about your father, I’m so sorry for your experiences. I often think a lot of us are drawn to cases like these due to some of the injustices we’ve endured in our own lives as children and as adults. I was always a protector; once prying a knife from my fathers hand that he was holding to my mother when I was about 8 yrs old.
It hurts that no one was there to save Haleigh from whatever she went through. I know it keeps us up at night trying to get to the bottom of this. I think that’s why sometimes I even pity Misty with the childhood and parents (or lack of) that she had. In no way does that excuse her if she is responsible for harming Haleigh though. I hope that soon the truth will come out and whoever needs to pay… will.
Thank you for sharing.
Nite
By all accounts Misty was good with children,an they loved her.Family said that.Rons family says that,an even Crystal said the children loved her.Before she went on the change from She never saw Ron abuse the children,to he was abusing them.So i just dont see her turning violent all of a sudden,but could have happened.Who really know,no one but Misty.
But when Chelsea said to NG when she was on by phone,an Gma Holler was on.Chelsea said on air she believed Haliegh OD,because she had saw loose pill in Rons home before.
Cathey i have understood you this whole time about the 10 to 20 pills a day, That a person builds a tolerance,an keeps taking more,an more.
———OF topic But about drug use——-
I have taken loricets,percocets, diladia,Roxys Oyxs ,an morphine. Oxys being the worst to dry out from.
Everyone withdraw time may vary,im going off personal experence,an rehab counseling,with DR,an counselers,an addicts.
but most users oF>((Loricets,percocets))> about 4/7 days you start getting to where your body may be heading out of the rough zone,would take me 4 days,then a person would have to build their body,strength back up from rest,eating right.The withdrawl being more a mental thing after then.Ths is based on long term pill use.
Oxycontin though it is major for at least 10 days to 2 weeks,lasting as much as 4 weeks,getting through the First day the sneezing..Then the chills / sweats,they contenue stomach cramps sweating enough that everything cloths,an what ever your laying on is drenched down.Leg cramps.The no eating,barly taking water. This is the horrer time,as i call it.
About a month your still weak,but starting to be able to eat a whole meals not just nibbling,an are on the way to getting your strength back.Each day during the dry out another symtom adds to the rest
Some have died from heart attack from high blood pressure from trying to go cold off them.
Roxys,an morphine being a step down from Oxys maybe 2 weeks,then lingering symptoms. But with all its a mental thing of wanting them,after the withdrawls are over.A person mind is so foggy during,an somtimes way after .
I took oxys for 5 yrs.Never again. But when a person is on them,taking even normal sceduald times,if DR abruply cuts them off.It could be hell,even that person would be tempted to by one to keep with drawls off.Dr usually weens their paitent down if they discuss the problem with them
But as Cathy said,an i know to your body does build a tolerence,to the amount,a person takes say 2 months ago verses a 6 months,or 12 months ,if your a every day user.
If ubder a dr changing the type tablets can help solve that problem,if you have a dr who works to the paitens best interest,in pain mangment.But of course were talking of street users,who have no one to monter them,an dont need pain pills,many of them,but are addicted users.
I have a high tolerence,from taking them for yrs.But coulnt tolerate the pain with out them,even after going off,over an over trying.I tried STEMULATOR,implanted in my spine,to sap electrods from my brain,to the pain.The basterd broke off in my spin,an an other sugery was done to remove it.S ill probably take them untill i die.
But street users,an buyers would steal,to get money to buy them,its that bad.To a every day abuser of drugs ,any type
I still have to take meds,i went off Roxys last month,an have been placed on morphine again.But im montered,pill counted,as well as randomd drug screened.have the healt issues,an pain that they try to keep me pain free,but meds only do so much
———–ON topic———–
These med are dangerious,an very habit forming.So if a street heavy user couldnt get them,it would surly cause them to suffer,as well as they could/ flip if unable to get them!!!
That why i believe,Tommy may have wanted Hanks pills,or may have wanted,threatened to sell the CD to get money for a pill.That why the fight broke out.Hanksr probably said OH HELL NO YOUR NOT!! A drug user wants a wake pill/snort/smoke what ever that how they start their day.
CathyJoe Im proud of you if you fought the addiction,an won!!! Thats a feat within its self,.You would be a great speaker to the youth,or a rehab group session,speaking.High school auditorums,to teens..
Im ready for Haliegh to be found bless her heart!!! Such a sweet child,always smiling. How could anyone harm somone so innocent,so small so helpless!!! Grrrr burns me up
Jan57,Thank you very Much for the compliment!
I agree with you on all of it.
I agree too that it is psychological,mental?
I had to learn to live and enjoy life without being high and i know everyone else does too,just saying for me,I could not even get off my couch if I had none,I couldn’t even answer the phone without one,no holiday was good if i had none,even simple things like sitting on your porch for instance…..I had to have a pill just for that and if you don’t get them that day then,your day is shot as well as everybodys around you!
You make it miserable for everyone else and you’re the one with the problem!
So unfair!Basically your family is addicted too because they’ll help you get it just so THEY can have a good day!Isn’t that sad?
Can’t believe i ever did that to my family
but thats what addiction does!
At first you think you have it figured out….how to be happy….they do make you think you’re happy and then you’re more miserable than you’ve ever been and think you cannot stop so you keep taking them to cover the guilt!
You count them every night before you go to sleep,if you sleep,you count them first thing when you wake up,
I can only imagine what its like with the harder drugs’if theres such a thing as harder drugs,to me i guess i think they are all hard because its psychological dependancy basically so all addicts have to learn to live life without them!
I have known addicts who did it their whole lives and still left this world as addicts,or died from Od’ing and I feel so fortunate that i was one of the one’s who figured it out before it was too late!
I am glad you shared your story and I think as much of you as you do me……..Even if you still have to because of pain,the fact you accepted to be moderated says alot for you as well!!!!!
It’s not easy being an addict with the temptation of knowing you have them right there with you! So give yourself a big ole pat on the back too!
Not alot of people admit that sort of thing!
So again,Thank You!
And yes,Tommy would have done anything to get them and I don’t know that i would not have by now if I hadn’t got clean,I could never hurt,lie,steal or abuse people in my real nature but who knows if I hadn’t cleaned my act up!
I am certain that everyone who abuses drugs said they wouldn’t either but did later because of the addiction!
So I Thank God I didn’t and got a new chance before I did!
I have thought about your idea of speaking in schools,to teens etc……But I am terrified of public speaking,lol silly ain’t it? lol but i’d take the chance if just to save one!!!!!
I pray we find Haleigh too,that would be wonderful!!!!!
it burns me up too,I can even feel your burn!LoL
(((((((((((((Iketa)))))))))))))
I am truly sorry for all the things that happened to you!
cathy, I was asked to speak at a high school by the principal…couldn’t do it..I’m a one on one guy.
LoL Understand that Oj,lol
I do well with a finger and no face tho,lol
I fall apart in crowds! lol
uhh.. does that mean you’d rather typt then appear in person?
OJ,
Its bad enough but when i was 12 i was at my nieces wedding in Baltimore,Got choked and thought i’d met my maker and everybody lined up to smack me on the back………….(ouch)
Talk about stage fright and embrassment!
something always happens to me in crowds,no matter how hard I try!lol
Lord yes OJ!
Certainly better for them!
Good Morning Everyone!
Lots of good discussions going on!
LoL Hope,good morning!
OJ was just crowding me! lol
got ya cat..
I’m no people person..
but talking you is a real pleasure.
by the way cat..a little short sundress and bikini sandals would be perfect for when we meet.
wonder what will happen tomorrow,their hearings?
LoL TY OJ,same here,It is a pleasure but ok,I’ll try to remember not to wash my feet so you’ll have plenty of jam,lol
You two crack me up!
rofl@bikini sandals,i just caught that??????? lol
Shoot i am cracked up,
omg not that way……whewwwww better watch what we say amongst the croslins and cummings”lol
did either of you find out if thats Chelseas tattoo?
I thought about that to after I typed it. lol
lol givem withdrawls!
That is sad tho,Can’t imagine withdrawing with all this added to it and not to mention being in jail!
Its no wonder they have gained all that weight!
No, I am not sure.
I wonder though,actually it may have been a good thing for them,if they were free they’d still be on it!
Even Lindsey told TC that she didn’t think he could do it?
me either Hope,but i am dying to find out! bugs me!
OMY,I just thought……Tommy won’t see Lindsey in court tomorrow to support him,whewwww
The divorce thing sure is quiet!
CathyJo63 said,
in May 12th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
WAS THE WASHER RUNNING WHEN LE GOT THERE?
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No ma’am it wasn’t. That was confirmed by Kim P at Websleuth’s.
Tommy’s has 2 cases before the judge tomorrow.Can’t remember if it’s the grand theft stuff or the other drug arrest.
Right now they have no choice. If they were out of jail without any sort of rehab. I find it very unlikely they could stay clean.
I hope she will not be at court tomorrow. She needs to stay away from that circus.
think its the drugs Vaq!
right Vaq,but i was curious to know how Tommy takes that,omg
That’ll be reality!!!!!!
Right Hope,all of em would be back on it…..imo
Vaquera: I think I remember someone posting earlier about it. I don’t know if it said which charge though.
I hate to leave good company but my eyes are closing,haven’t slept much in 3 nights!going crazy i guess,lol crazier!
Gnite guys!
I think Tobias or somebody said the drug charge?
CathyJo:
I wish Hank and Lisa could go in to rehab. and prove to their children that they could stay sober. Actually, if only they had done this years ago. imo
Good Night CathyJo
nite cat.. 😉
Homespain at 10:10p
Well said. Really.:)
homespain,
You can check out whatever sites you like and believe anyone you want.
Some of us work in the field, and know that many of these experts are talking hocus pocus, without needing to check out their sites.
There’s a reason these people aren’t allowed to testify in trials. A good one.
Cathy i went through my on hell when on Oxys,an i did over take them,an suffered the comming off.But because of my situation,i have learned how to deal,an if i feel my meds arnt working,to where i feel like im going to over load like i did with the oxys,whitch almost distroyed me,an my family,i wasnt the only on,i had a sister who was addiccted to
So now the montering comes in,an the change in the meds,so i get the releaf.with out over taking them.Then when i feel like those arnt working i tell my dr,an just how many i overtook,an she switches me,an im fine for a while,same process over an over.
I do better one,on one to.Thats why i work with individuals,or families.Not expert,but have lived it to.LOL ive counted,an recounted before to,in old days lol.Them oxys are great pain reliever,an make a person feel great,also gives energy,but that the (opieds).But by God they can make someone crazy with out their regular pill.An distroy a family,an the user.I will never ever take one again.
I do think so much,an so many theorys with out the release of any evidence in this case,is sometimes scary,an stressing.
I would like to weed all my own thought out an just stick to the evidence,but they arnt releasing any.An alot is purly rumors,traveling from one blogg,to the next.
Not speaking of those trying to put a theory together,on the few facts we have.I do know one thing it doesnt seem to be a simple investigation.With all 3 familys,the drugs.
What i have seen,an heard from them on videos,uc tapes,jail calls,from the individual players.From the beginning to now,its mind boggling.I just wish this case,could be solved that ((Haliegh)) would be found.Some could be right on the money to what happened,an we all could be so way off,who knows.
Im like the poster,all the pros,an their op,are just theorys like ours. I would hate to see some one charged for a crime they didnt commet,but who ever harmed Haliegh when charged,i want them punished,to the fullest extent of the law.
Unless it truly was a accident,an paniced cover up,then they could work with the sentencing..If they will just come clean now.They have put all kinds of pressure,an interrergated Misty so much.Untill its a wonder at such a young age she hasnt snapped.Or told,all she really knows,or remembers,about that night.If she even was a part of Halieghs demise,disserperence.
I think Ron taking out the trash remark was
When he finds the trasy person who whould harn his child he going tp take them out!! I would be thinking all kinds of revenge,if somone murdered my child,like when my sister grabd baby was beat to death.
When we did finaly after 2 yrs get LE ON THE RIGHT TRACK,AN THEY PICKED THE KILLER UP.I THOUGHT ABOUT KILLING THAT PERSON TO.Even how i could do it at trial,but never followed through with it.
Because i knew better,i would be in prison for life,or on death row.An would have left my children on the mercies of the world,an this just isnt a merciful place.
So that statment from Ron,i understand him saying it.
Lindsey said its 8,000 for rehab there,an i dont think Hank,lisa,or many from there can offord that.
Nite all,im gone to
Chelsea has now put the picture of her tattoo with an angel and Haleigh’s name as her my-space avatar. http://www.myspace.com/chelsea_croslin
Also, Reminder!
Ronald & Hank Jr.(Tommy) to be in court today at 9AM on drug charges.
JillF and Jaba sorry I missed your replies yesterday. I was not ignoring you. I think possibly that Chelsea and Misty were in the van together when picking up Haleigh. I remember someone saying that someone was in the van with Misty other than just kids. There was more than Jr. in the van at the time of picking up Haleigh and Tommys son Austin. It was said that Misty leaned out of the window to tell the kids to hurry up. Perhaps Misty was a passenger; not the driver this time.
Ron is on InSession now
lynny/lynn – I was watching that as well but didn’t catch a time for ronnie boys hearing did you?
Ron’s hearing was at 9AM. Looks like he asked for it to be continued. Tommy showing up in Putnam Co. now. Not sure what time he will be in court though. The way he sounded in the last audios he wants out and wants to get this over with. Maybe he will have his hearing today. We don’t know what he told he…could be why Ron asked for a continuance. Maybe ol’e Ronald is a POI? Does not want these new charges on his record?
A continuance means that he will be rescheduled?
Shockwave said,in May 13th, 2010 at 8:44 am A continuance means that he will be rescheduled?
Yes…it should be up on the court docket later today or in the AM. I will post, when I see it.
Seems Tommy will be in court later today to. Not sure what will happen or if he to will ask for it to be continued.
Thanks Madj for the link to the tattoo. It is funny that Ronald and Chelsea have these memorial tats, but noone else that we have heard of. It is a beautiful tat.
CathyJo thank you for all the info for revisisting. It does seem once you go back and read how things become clearer than when you reaad it in the beginnig. Thank you very much.
It does doesn’t it Looking,alot more makes sense………….Ty Looking!!
I am bumfuzzled about the memorial?? tattoos too?
what it seems like to me! but the worse for me somehow is Chelsea is no blood kin at all to her!Which blood makes no difference as I am an adoptee but Chelsea isn’t a child and nobodys adopted and I just can’t see putting a tattoo of SOMEONE elses child on YOU!and an angel at that?
Looks like part of Ron’s plea deal will be to testify against Misty and Tommy at their trials.
Boy is that going to tick Misty and Tommy off.
There is an interesting article on Ron’s hearing in court by Dana Treen at jacksonville. com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt0GeQFjvrs&playnext_from=TL&videos=ggtt6o5zs-4&feature=sub
whylie..where’d you read this information on a plea deal with Ronald? Plea on what?
the article is at jacksonville dot com
Hope said,in May 13th, 2010 at 12:58 am CathyJo:
I wish Hank and Lisa could go in to rehab. and prove to their children that they could stay sober. Actually, if only they had done this years ago. imo
Oh Me too Hope,me too!!!!!
Unfortunatly its too late to reraise their children and the damage is done but I pray they can see now that they atleast have the chance to make things better…..I’d say it would be a shock for Misty and Tommy to get a visit from a sober parent,ya know!
and i do hope they get that chance,the last video i saw of Lisa,hopnestly I saw something in her eyes and i know that look,I know she regrets it so much and I really believe she wants to change,but scared and don’t know how to be clean,I said the other day that when my husband quit drinking for 2 yrs I caught myself somehow wishing he would start back because i didn’t know how to act around him…I knew how to act when he was drunk.I did it for 23 yrs!.I knew him 2 yrs sober and it was easier when i knew how to act for me and i feel bad that i wished he would keep drinking so I KNEW how to cope too but I did!
I know thats terrible and even harder to admit so with all this mess I know Lisa’s terrified,I do wish though that i knew her right now and could just be there for her.lets just hope from this mess that atleast they get clean from it!!!
Jan57 said,in May 13th, 2010 at 2:07 am I think Ron taking out the trash remark was
Right Jan,I do too,i was posting from that site because we’d been talking about it,and i believe she’s right about alot of what she said on Misty and Tommy and Ron too but we could ALL be wrong too as well until we get the truth one day hopefully! I guess she’s no more wrong for thinking what she does as I am accusing everybody in Haleighs case because we just don’t know but i also know she had to be dead wrong on Somers Mom,though I’d never seen it on her site till last night and simply put she was wrong and she does list on her site………..AS FAR AS I CAN TELL ANYWAY? the cases she was wrong about so atleast thats a good thing!
Cummings’ testimony would relate only to the drug-trafficking case, Shoemaker said, and would not involve his missing child, who authorities now presume is dead.
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Taken from the Gainsville.com article
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100513/ARTICLES/100519729?Title=Lawyer-Plea-deal-likely-in-Cummings-drug-case
So am I geting this right? Ron is trying to get a lower sentence by testifying on the other two? If its the drug case they dont need him they have video. If its about Haleigh well seems strange that he didnt come forward before they were dealing drugs. jmo
Sure makes me ponder Shoemaker’s strategy in making that info public.
WHYLIE,Cause when Misty hears that she is gonna know for sure Ron is not going to protect her anymore. She is going to wake up and boy is she gonna be mad. He is going to testify against her?!!! I would love to see her head explode when she hears that one.jmo
Tobias there has got to be a reason why the SA wants Ron’s testimony.
Tobias, I agree. Misty and Tommy are going to be ticked off big time
So, after reading what you guys have wrote and reading the Jacksonville article it looks like to me that we are still just at another negotiation phase, and there will still be no answers. We’ll see. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m far from knowledgeable about court stuff.
o wow guy’s,he’s gonna testify? You know he knows then that she’ll tell all now,omg!
gonna go read the article brb
looking for Justice said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Thanks Madj for the link to the tattoo. It is funny that Ronald and Chelsea have these memorial tats, but noone else that we have heard of. It is a beautiful tat.
CathyJo thank you for all the info for revisisting. It does seem once you go back and read how things become clearer than when you reaad it in the beginnig. Thank you very much.
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Actually Crystal got one too sometime in the last year.
did she Vaq?
I think thats ok…..atleast thats her mom,lol
my bmum wasn’t worth anything,sorry but its true,even a tattoo woulda made me feel better,lol not making light of it just sayin!
anybody have a direct link for the ron article,don’t ask me why but i can’t find it…shewwwwwww never had so much trouble finding any!
Iwonder what is happening with Tommys case? Is he going to deal? Is his lawyer already got a deal in the works ? jmo
tobias, I think I heard it was going to be this afternoon. I guess it depends on how fast they go through the docket. I am sure Tommy has been informed of Ron’s possible deal.
How can he testify against Tommy on the drug charges if Tommy doesnt have a jury trial? jmo
Cathy there is one from issues on you tube if you want to go look for it. jmo
I had a feeling Ron would be the one who cracked first.
Lawyer: Plea deal likely in Cummings drug case
By Cindy Swirko
Staff writer
Published: Thursday, May 13, 2010 at 10:57 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, May 13, 2010 at 10:57 a.m.
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PALATKA – Ronald Cummings, the father of missing Putnam County girl Haleigh Cummings, is set to stand trial on drug-trafficking charges on July 19, but his lawyer said Cummings will likely agree to a plea deal before then.
Speaking after a hearing before Circuit Judge Terry LaRue in Palatka Thursday morning, attorney Terry Shoemaker said Cummings, 26, will likely agree to plead to three of five charges. Each of those three charges carries a minimum mandatory prison sentence of 15 years.
Two of the five charges – involving trafficking in larger amounts of prescription drugs – carry a minimum sentence of 25 years. Shoemaker said the tentative deal in the works involves dropping those two, more severe charges. The plea deal might be completed by July 1, he said. Cummings would agree to testify against his co-defendants and would be sentenced after those case went to trial.
“Everyone in the world has seen the [undercover] videos,” Shoemaker said. “It’s kind of hard. It’s a great case for the state.”
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100513/ARTICLES/100519729/1118?Title=Lawyer-Plea-deal-likely-in-Cummings-drug-case
It doesn’t make sense to me for an attorney to release any info regarding a possible deal, especially in a high profile, controversial case. I think this was intended for shock value, to get a reaction from Tommy and Misty
I have a feeling Rons lawyer set this up because Tommy is going to deal today and they got into court first. Cant wait to see what happens when Tommy gets in there. jmo
Lynny said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 10:53 am
I had a feeling Ron would be the one who cracked first.
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Cracked on what? this has nothing to do with Haleigh.
you or me Tobias!
I am having info withdrawls,lol
Tobias,I bet reality really sets in when Tommy doesn’t see Lindsey there for support! omg.imo
Can’t seem to get direct link but try this:
At Jacksonville.com….
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-05-13/story/haleighs-father-negotiating-15-year-sentence-drug-case
Also make sure to read the article “Putnam man charged with trafficking”
CathyJo, u posted last night at 7:42; I am just reading it right now; (kids in school finally get alone time)
BINGO.
I have been thinking that too, ever since Chelsea’s big mouth confirmed on NG that Joe and Ron did have a fight OVER A GUN; and it was the assault rifle; we know those are only gotten and used in drug circles for protection and profit. It’s not like u can go up to walmart and get one ya know!! Nor, was Ron going to shoot a deer with it!! Not even a 500lb Buck!!
If u put together the weekend w/NayNay,Misty, the Mexicans, u get drug running, fronting, money, trading, and probably, well let’s say, a WHOLE BUNCH OF TROUBLE!! I see Joe coming down from Tn just to get in on a deal that NayNay and Misty told him about, and Tommy, too, everybody wants their share, right? Someone got stupid and either stole profits or RAN WITH DRUGS THAT WERE FRONTED TO THEM, EITHER CUZ THEY ATE THEM OR WANTED THE PROFIT, OR BOTH. That’s usually what happens, and it makes sense why Joe wanted that gun. I mean, if u think about it, I’m sure there are PLENTY OF GUNS around, BUT why do u need a freaking ASSAULT RIFLE??
I rest my case!!!!!
Also my son told me that “The Mexicans” are really known by that name, and they are notorious for fronting and prostituting and mainly deal in roxies,10’s and coke. I thought NayNay was just referring to them as Mexicans because they were Mexican, u know? DUMB!!
WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 10:55 am
It doesn’t make sense to me for an attorney to release any info regarding a possible deal, especially in a high profile, controversial case. I think this was intended for shock value, to get a reaction from Tommy and Misty
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Leonard Padilla talked about it Sunday night on Levi’s show, that they were working on a 15 yr plea deal.
This is for the additional article: Very Interesting!!!……
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2010-05-12/story/putnam-man-charged-trafficking
Ty Betty,just saw your link,lol
New tape with Flora and Tommy
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/7040801.php
Right RonFan,I have always wondered about that one!
There had to be a reason they all came down to begin with and its not like it was for a regular visit because the flew outta town right after!
vaquera, I can see them saying a deal is in the works but it makes no sense to release the details of the deal.
The Tommy Croslin jail house to Grandma Hollers is on First Coast News. He does finger Joe Overstreet. Go and Listen. In the there you will here also that the story G. Holler heard was that Ron came home and Haleigh got one of Rons pills and died. Ron was suppose to have called Tommy to come and Misty.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=155977&catid=3
Finally a jail tape that gives us something to drop our jaws too.
you’d think family would stay for support,not run like a bat out of hello?
I know 5 yrs ago….I went to see my family in ky and wasn’t there 5 minutes when my sis n law came to the door in a panic,my nephew Ricky had od’d,he was only 40…age don’t matter .lol just sayin but then even w/o extra clothes i wasn’t about to leave!
OMG Looking,thanks!!!
wow Vaq!
but ron just got off work,i reckon? don’t think she’d have od’d in 2-3 minutes? hm imo….idk!
new article,with audio!!!!
WhyLie said,
in May 13th, 2010 at 11:06 am
vaquera, I can see them saying a deal is in the works but it makes no sense to release the details of the deal.
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maybe it’s because they want to shake up Misty/Tommy,who knows.
I meant to type come and help Misty. Now we must choose which story would be more plausible. In this clip Lyndsey says she is not going to divorce Tommy, but we know shortly after this clip on 4/11/2010 lyndsey does file. Is it because the story about Ron coming home and Haleigh dying from taking one of his pills is the accurrate account that occurred? They all put it on Joe instead of taking the punishment thamselves for her death and disposal?
vaquera, I think the release of the deal info and the release of the audio of Tommy blaming JO is to put the pressure on Misty and Tommy.
me too, Why Lie. 😉
ON the drug case only.The state will do anything to get a conviction,on the person they have their eye on.Even to the point of using a person with a long record,to turn states against a first time offender,who by law has a criminal history.They want to make sure theres no loop hole,that Mistys Attorny may find,even with the videos. Or with Tommy.
I have saw cases,thrown out on eye whitness testimony,or a video. It all has to line up with the laws,we see this in the last to hearings in Caylees,state verses Casey .Judge Perry goes strickly by the laws,in his rulings.
I did tex Hank about Tomms hearing,but he hasnt called back yet.Lisa usualy has to get the tex messages,As Hank has problems reading.
I like both of them,from just talking to them.
How ever the drug case turns out.I do hope its done the correct way,in getting a conviction,an anything thats not right with any part the law had in any of it that they to are corrected.
Let the chips fall where they may.I will be praying for all involved,in this drug case,the accused,an Judge.That he uses sound Judgement,an isnt swayed in anyway by another case.An it will be about the drug case only how he rules.
Then when Haylieghs case is finsihed an ready for trial,that the can bring to point if anyof these were involed in her missing.Then they can bring up the drug case,As a means of behavior,an former convictions..
Got to run out for a bit-bbl to chat.
She is dead.. was put in a crab trap and tossed in the river.. Simple as that. It is what is called Putnam County Justice. I said this from day one and I still say it.
All the hens need to stop pecking at the grains that fall on the ground and look at what is reality. If anyone with any reason reads this thread they would die laughing.
if you go back to the begining when misty said she
had gone to a party and hailey got hold of a oxey-cotten, then misty said they put hailey in a black bag and threw her in the water. if this holds any truth, where are the people that were with them so someone can talk to them.
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