I had the opportunity to have a pretty in depth discussion with Statement Analysis expert Peter Hyatt a couple of days ago. His brand of science and art is not Voodoo, it makes perfect sense. Just like the polygraph reveals deception so does the written and spoken word if you know what to look for.
In many ways he backed up the age old theory that in every lie there is a grain of truth. Sometimes it is hard to find, but it is there. The real challenge is finding all of those grains and piecing together the puzzle.
Cases such as Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony become convoluted quickly. Andy Warhol’s 15 minutes of fame rule seems to become the norm. As a case ages, the spider web of ‘important’ people seems to grow at an exponential rate.
There can be no better example of this phenomena as the Haleigh Cummings case. In the rabid need to bring news to the public, just about everyone that is even remotely related to the little girl has spoken out. It does not matter that they had not seen her in years, it does not matter that they knew nothing about her circumstances at the time of the disappearance, they are all experts.
Who holds the real key to Haleigh Cummings? It is not the battling grammies, it is not the aunts and uncles, and probably not the infamous cousin. The truth lays within a very small group of people. Alas this magic band are not being forthcoming.
There is a triumvirate and they do hold the key, Misty Croslin, her then lover Ronald Cummings, and Misty’s esteemed brothers Tommy and Timmy. OK, some one will point out that a triumvirate is three, and I have mentioned four. I believe that when this case is solved three of those four will be implicated.
Based on the crash course that Peter Hyatt gave me, I have been reading and thinking about what all of these people have publicly said over the past 14 months. It gets depressing faster than a speeding bullet. His analysis of the original 911 tape is incredibly revealing. An even more compelling analysis of the case concerns the early investigation. Read this, oh and make sure that your tray tables and seats are in the upright position! Read it here.
I was talking to him yesterday and he said something that caught my attention, “Reading the truth is boring. The truth is the truth. But reading deception is fascinating”
Oh I can’t wait to talk to him on Sunday. You will not want to miss this program, the link is here.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackI can not wait for Sunday. Justice is needed. Prayers WORK.
I have to admit I’m disappointed. Some allegations that have no place being there imo. 🙁
I can’t wait for the show Sunday. Peter is fascinating. I’m sorry I missed him online the other night.
I was reading at his website. I’m impressed,
There is so much misinformation that it’s hard to interpret anything without the facts.
I’m hoping someone can answer this question. I’ve heard Misty called Ron, then he left work. The other story was that she was standing in the doorway when he got home and she hadn’t called him. That would make a big difference in the way I feel about his actions on the 911 call. I was under the impression she did not call him, that he only found out about Haleigh after he got home.
If he is lying, I fell for it. It didn’t mean much to me that he stopped at the store if he didn’t recieve a phone call. If in fact Misty called him, that’s another story.
Once I know the facts about that, I can re-think the situation.
Please excuse my typing. I have a new laptop and I’m not used to the keyboard yet.
You guys have been on a roll lately. I’m ready to stop watching HLN. You can’t trust what they say to be fact.
Grandma Hollers gives some insight about the family, but if she really believed all she say’s, I think it would have made her look better if she would have just made the police report and stayed off TV. She keeps adding to her story every time she tells it.
curious–I would like your theory if you would care to share. I believe an SO is to blame and he is probably thankful the police have latched on to the “Croslins are the perps” theory. Believe me, I understand their focus, but after 14 months I would think they would be farther along and arrests would have been made. We have seen several suspicious people come out of the woodwork to make inflammatory statements against any and all the players, but I am not ready to take the leap and label them as murderers as some are so willing to do with so little evidence!
Does anyone else remember the conversation Misty was having with Flo and the Aunt when they were driving to Flos DR. appt.? I thought she said she had a CT Scan of her head and they were looking for a tumor. She also said she had to see her Psyciatrist(spell), I wished I could remember which tape it was. jmo
Simon, Do you have the tapes identified somehow as to whats on each one? Could you shed some light on what I am remembering? Pretty please? TY jmo
Once again, duty calls. Hope to be back later. Can’t seem to catch some of you online.
tobias, I remember the tapes you’re talking about. I have the right link, I think, but I’m afraid it will go in moderation if I post it. I’ll try after I post this to you!
Tobias:
Hope this link comes thru. I think the exact tape you’re looking for is in the first couple of Misty’s tapes
http://www.bloggernews.net/124015
Just give me the date the tape is on and Iwill go listen to it please. jmo
In case the link isn’t showing, tobi, its bloggernews.net then slash 124015
I believe the tape you’re looking for is one of the first couple of Misty’s tapes. Hope this helps
Thanks I will go check if it the one and come back and tell you.
Not in that bunch there was one of her talking to flo but the one I am looking for is the one where flo and aunt vicki are in a car. sorry
I did find out Steve Brown was in contact with Tommy way before the LDT.Thee is mention of him on here in a jail video with Lindsy on the Feb. 11. Simon did a post on feb 11. jmo
misty’s lawyer has left her twisting in the wind! He should be DISBARRED!! Misty needs a SPOKESPERSON ASAP!!!
Tommy’s lawyer just admitted on the JVM show that Tommy does know something, but he was not in on killing Haleigh. He took LE to the river the night he took the LDT, and they found some evidence. The next morning, the big search started.
Tobias – I give Steve Brown a huge amount of credibility. To say that he was shocked when I called him does not do justice. The last thing in the world he wanted was publicity. That says a lot to me. Steve is a stand up guy, if more people involved with this case were like Steve, it would have been solved months ago.
Reading the analysis on Casey, and noting that speaking in present tense denotes deception, I find myself thinking of an earlier video of Misty. Since February 2009 she has spoke of Haleigh in the past tense. Except the day she went to the courthouse to get her marriage license. On that day she was discussing how Haleigh always “wants” the same things Misty has. All through this little spiel, she talks in the present tense.
Mr. Hyatt, does this mean there is a distinct possibility that this is a pure fabrication on Misty’s part? Thanks in advance for whatever answer you may give.
If so, I think it puts an entire new perspective on many of the videos we have seen. May be worth another look.
Thank you Simon, for posting the analysis.
Simon I am in total agreement about S.Brown. And I always believed he was the tipster. He did a wonderful job. jmo
I still want to hear from Tommys own mouth that he is saying Joe did it because right now we are just getting other people saying he did . And I dont believe them. At one point Tommy is saying he isnt going to lie about Joe just to get out.
I think the only one implicating Joe is Misty right now. jmo
Simon,
Did you link us to the wrong page? I clicked on the link and Shamus O’Rileys blog page opened up. If this is the right page then I hope Peter has more insight than what I just read. Trust me no seat belt was required this time.
stormgardner said,
in April 23rd, 2010 at 6:03 pm
I can’t wait for the show Sunday. Peter is fascinating. I’m sorry I missed him online the other night.
I was reading at his website. I’m impressed
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This is to anyone who would answer please. When I click on the link I’m directed to Shamus O’Rileys blog pages. I’m sure this isn’t the statement analysis page that our host is referring to or is it?
I gotta read Peter’s analysis. It sounds like what Tobias and I have been talking about since the beginning. I can’t wait to hear the show on Sunday. I hope to be able to call in with a question for Cobra about the audios you posted recently & Ron’s “Jr” statements.
Dylan,
I am not sure, but I think Seamus O’Riley is Peter Hyatt.
Was this the link?
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/04/grammie-hollars-insight-into-mistys.html
Cant wait to hear the panel on Sunday. Hope there is enough time to get everyones ideas out for us. Peter H. sound very interesting and I understand some of the science he is talking about from Psyc and Soc classes I took.
Cobra in my opinion deserves more graditude for what he has uncovered.jmo bbl
Dylan, it’s the same guy. It’s interesting whether you agree with him or not. Makes a lot of sense though.
Whiskey Mike said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 8:10 pm
I am not sure, but I think Seamus O’Riley is Peter Hyatt.
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Okay Mike thank you. I was wondering about that. I was expecting to read some of his techniques I guess. I really thought I had a bum link.
HollysG, good to see you. Don’t get out to play much. It’s all I can do to keep up with the posts
THe language of vulgarity….Hmmmm Seems I’ve also mentioned that before. The speak with such vulgarity/cussing due to living on a baser level. THe level of ignorance.
I think Peter is dead on accurate. THeir words are subconcious. They think they are choosing their words carefully but their words reveal much.
BTW Some of Ron & Cobra’s words on last audios were such truth that they sound exactly the same backwards as forwards. LOL! I found out by accident. WHile transcribing I often have to run the audio backwards to replay a small section. Sometimes 4 or 5 times to make the best attempt at accuracy. So while reversing a couple of times it happened. There may be more, I haven’t listen in everse to it’s entirety. Cobra’s I can’t remember exact spot now, I’ll try to find it again. Ron’s happened when he said “custody for 2 1/2 yrs” the 2 1/2 yrs sounds exactly the same backwards as forwards….bizarre. If Simon would allow, I would be willing to offer “clips” of sections I find.
Dylan, the link I posted talks more about that type of stuff and why he draws the conclusions he does. It’s the same site, just a different article.
Hey Stormgardner….good to see you too! I’ve wondered how you were. 🙂
Misty has not really faced the fact why she is in jail. She wants house arrest and probation anything except for having to sit in that jail cell.
I was without a pc for awhile. Now just busy. Good though. Getting outside feels so good. I’ve been out playing in the dirt. Lol
I hope misty hunkers down and takes it to trial!
She was set up and entrapped by law enforcement on these bogus drug charges.
If I was on the jury it would be NOT GUILTY on all counts.
stormgardner April 23rd, 2010 at 8:15pm
It was fine, thanks. I would expect the Sunday show to be more interesting with people calling in.
The Grandma Hollars article of Peter’s was my favorite. The Casey Anthony articles are pretty good too. I’m hoping for more specific breakdowns of statements made by Ron, Misty & co in the past and how they relate to what we knownow.
“I’d give my life to get my child’s life back”
WTH?
WHy not “I’d give my life to get my CHILD back?”
I’ve always believed it was a subconsious clue that he was aware that she was deceased. Whether he had anything to do with that or not…he knew.
Hey guys,ya here?
Haven’t been on much,been to dtrs house and i have my Grandson here,been watching movies with him!
Anything new or helpful?
Nothing that I’ve noticed besides Update Radio SHow announcement & this article.
I have to get ready for work soon but will be back online from 10:00 pm to 7:00 am. Will you be on awhile? Miss talking with you.
not sure,will tryyyyyyy Got Dakota so depends!lol
Yea, I re-read your post and realized he was there. If not a good time, I certainly understand….I’ve learned to be the same for Holly.
These analysis things on the link are way too long for me and skip around too much and off on different subjects that don’t compare very well. About Ms. Hollars, there is such a thing as sarcasm about a subject that came up after a toddler went missing and a possible attempt to set up an innocent guy. I don’t see how that has a thing to do with the Hebrew King ordering a baby split in half to determine the real mother.
“Make sure that your tray tables and seats are in the upright position!”; LOL, Simon! I haven’t clicked the link to read it yet, but thamks for the warning!
Why does NG have that heavy jacket on indoors?
I actually did understand the Hebrew King analogy and comparison.
Scary huh? I mean that I got it LOL!
J/K
Sad that it had to come to that but ya know what? I think I’d adopt Grammie Flo in a heartbeat! (Especially if she knows how to cook and what not.) LOL!
HollysGmom, if what you said is the case, then everything Cobra has said is ignorant, too? Does he live at a baser level too? His language was far worse than Ron’s.
A guest with an agenda who is an accountant just doesn’t do much for me.
How does one analyze Timmy who has never given an interview? Through badly recorded phone calls that he knew were being taped by law enforcement?
LOL Jason!
Oh and yeah if you do not already have your seatbelts on then your most likely in for a crash coarse!
Lori,
My thoughts about that are as follows:
Firstly the mans nickname is Cobra. I think it’s due to the fact that he too goes through a type of “Ecdysis” process with each new case kind of thing in that he must acclimate himself to his environment well which in his line of work is most likely a mandatory requirement I am thinking.
Who knows how much he cusses in his normal daily life though? I dunno?
I am sure the stress can be unbearable at times and if it were me having to go through what Cobra has gone through I know I’d be cussing up a storm.
Not sure if anyone caught JVM tonight.
I thought it was very telling when Jean Ceassares (SP?) mentioned that Ron was in the process of making a deal.
I sure hope that Misty decides to come clean and stop with the lies soon.
And the part where Timmy’s lawyer no longer represents him in the Haleigh case has me wondering too.
Is it possibly because he will not need a lawyer or?
Tuff Stuff – I think I got it – thats’a ‘bomber jacket’ NG is wearing, she’s dressed for dropping bombshells! Might be why Seamus chose the image – LOL!
Are Misty’s eyes blue? I see them as brown, but Seamus wrote that Misty, Lisa and Flora all have crystal blue eyes.
Lori;
Cobra in some ways uses that language to emulate those around him, to fit in with them. If most of the people you dealt with use that kind of language, you would also.
I you’ll notice, many times people will “dummy down” their language or speech in order to be understood by others if the listeners use improper speech or language. No sense even speaking if you’re gonna talk over their heads.
My cousins teased me a lot growing up. The said I like to use those “$100,000 words”. Since I was an avid reader, my language skills & vocabulary far exceeded theirs, so I would often have to conform my words depending on who the listener was. That is NOT to say that I don’t use profanity. I do under cetain circumstances. Due in part, to being raised by a sailor. LOL! I do also believe that Mr Staubs was also a sailor/Navy man. The old adage is true: “Cusses like a sailor”.
So taking both those factors into consideration:
1) Ex-Navy man/Sailor
2) Deals daily with those who DO live on a baser level;either through ignorance or shear desire to only satisfy self AND must make every attempt to communicate, get answers, & be heard.
If during your work you were surrounded by those who speak Greek, then I would imagine you would have to include that “Greek” into your vocabulary as well, to be truely understood by those who are speaking it fluently.
Holly @ 11:40 pm: When in Rome!
I think some people are so “ignorant” they are unaware that the word ignorance means:
1.lack of knowledge: lack of knowledge or education
2. unawareness: unawareness of something, often of something important
ignorance is bliss it is often better not to know about something unpleasant
Thesaurus
NOUN
Synonyms: unawareness, inexperience, illiteracy, unfamiliarity, obliviousness, witlessness
NOUN
I’m thinking illiteracy & lack of education are the two definitions I meant in my posting.
I’ve often heard people tell others who use profanity “Don’t say that! I makes you look less intelligent” or “Once vulagrity starts, others tune out.”
Hi Jason! What are your feelings on some of Ron , Misty & Co past statements & analysis?
That’s pretty wild, Holly. Honesty is the reason 2 1/2 years sounds like 2 1/2 years when played in reverse?
To be called ignorant is not a good thing.
However, it is the ONE last bastion of open discrimination that can be CHANGED if one decides to do so.
Education & awareness…..
Jason;
Yea, I t really kind of freaked me out…I had to run it back and forth a few times to make sure. Man, I wish I could remember Cobra’s. It was a good one. Showed his true loving heart towards Haleigh…
I’ve got that small section isolated but need to have a way to post or send the file.
Hey, Holly! Peter’s analyzing the order in which their statements were made in the 911 made it very clear that the call likely WAS staged is very interesting, and just seems to be the truth, as it fits!
Most important message Misty wanted to get out in that call: “I just woke up”, and most important to Ron: “I just got home from work”.
I wonder if both statements are lies, and would like to know if Peter thinks they are.
In the audio you transcribed of Cobra and Ron, I interpret the part where Ron talks of taking his son ‘with him’, as suicidal/homicidal thoughts.
OJ’s glove said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 8:33 pm I hope misty hunkers down and takes it to trial!
She was set up and entrapped by law enforcement on these bogus drug charges.
If I was on the jury it would be NOT GUILTY on all counts.
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LMAO
She knew what she was doing in the videos and said she could get more pills.
LOL LOL LOL
send her some more money for commissary
Holly @ 11:53 pm: That is something – I would have never thought that possible, and can’t understand how that can be! Sure would love an explanation!
I’m begining to think OJ’s Glove is joking. She/he gripes about Misty’s lawyer and says she needs a spokesperson. She can easily apply for that job and the “freemisty” website will NOT get her out of the drug charges.
Jason;
Have you seen ShawnHS’s work on reverse speech? It’s prety interesting stuff. I have seen very few obvious backwards speech examples but I’m sure with carefull ananlysis, there may be more.
LMAO, LOL – maybe Hank’s not the only ‘magic’ one – Misty might be too, and she’s posting here under the nic “OJ’s Glove’.
Has anyone else thought about ‘O J’ being ‘J O’ transposed. Joe Overstreet?
Yes, Holly – I’ve listened to some of the reverse speech on Shawn’s site. Problem is, what he hears on the reversals, is usually not what I hear.
Holly @ 12:03 am: Can you post it on your blog?
There’s one on this page on reverse speech where a 7 month old is reaching for the tape recorder. Forwards it sounds like an ordinary baby gurgles but when played in reverse you can clearly hear “What’s that?
Nahhh…OJ’s Glove is a metaphor thinking that the “glove didn’t fit so you must acquit”.
Probably just another person that follows young girls accused of crimes and writes to them like Casey Anthony. She has men putting money on her account to pay for her spicy jalapeno dip, tortillas, canned chicken and other things to make “cold tacos”.
OJ’Glove = poster thinking OJ was set up. Misty was not set up in those drug deals she did it herself and asked one to go to the bathroom to get the pills.
It is NOT illegal for LE to conduct stings like that much like they do with prostitutes and johns on the street.
HollysGmom and Tuff Stuff, I understand about talking differently in different surroundings. I think we all do that a bit.
Tuff-the Nancy Grace show was a rerun for some stupid reason. Tommy’s lawyer didn’t quit. That was what Art posted shortly after Tommy’s LDT but obviously it’s not true or he changed his mind.
The Ron deal part was also old. When he went to court, Mr. Shoemaker asked for a continuance because they are “talking” to the state’s attorneys.
Holly @ 12:27: That’s cool! I have heard interesting ones, too, and believe there is something to it, but have never heard a scientific explanation for it.
Jason; I’ll look into it. I’ve got to save them so that an ordinary player will play it in reverse. Usually they put forwards word & then the reversal.
Yea OJ’s intro was that statement about glove didn’t fit. ALso the way our OJ’s Glove posts, I would never think of JO..LOL!
Holly, if I record a cat meowing, and in reverse it says a human phrase, I won’t know what to think!
No, AH posted that Tommy’s lawyer wouldn’t be representing him on Haleigh case, just the drugs & B&E charges. That, however, may have changed, IF Werner used Haleigh info to get ToC a better deal on other charges. He may then HAVE to represent him for all charges, if any.
Jason;
LOL! I know what you mean…
I am interested in some of the revers speech stuff but some of it just goes too far out into left field (lizard/reptilian people, alien race, etc.) The far-out” stuff really detracts from the phsycological stuff.
Holly – yes, I imagine it can get pretty deep there – LOL! Farrrrrr out!
Now I’m wondering if we’d be surprised by the reverse speech of cats and other non-human animals.
OMG! THANK YOU SIMON! That speach analysis was fascinating. I’m exhausted but couldn’t stop reading until I finished all he had to say. Impressive is not strong enough of a word. I’m blown away. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US! YOU ARE DA’ BOMB! Now I have to go back over every statement any of these losers have ever made and start analysing! LOL
I’m back to thinking Ron IS involved and that Ron, Misty and Tommy will face murder charges. I’m just hoping LE knows about this speech analysing stuff…I’m sure they do and are using it but DANG! This is POWERFUL stuff.
The stuff on Casey was incredible too. I just can’t say enough about it! I’m completely floored, fascinated and HOOKED on this speech analysis stuff. I’ll CERTAINLY be tuning in Sunday! CAN’T WAIT….and Simon, did I say THANK YOU?! LOL I LOVE BNN!
I know a yellow tabby who talks a lot, in a bubbly sort of voice. He cussed me out one day from across the street, and came walking towards me talking non-stop. I have no idea what he was saying, but maybe a reverse speech recording would have revealed words I could understand (and maybe not, but I might try it on him just for the hey of it – if I hear anything interesting – I’ll let you know, Holly!).
Jason;
Do that! I am very interested to know!
This song request goes out from Ronald To Misty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZHJxP7EsNQ
Hollys Gmom said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 12:37 am
HG, I agree. That is the correct story on Werter and Tommy.
Lori;
I’m thinking that could only be possible or beneficial IF ToC claims he was not involved in Haleigh’s death but only in the cover-up. IMO
I’d love to know his reasons for helping JO. Seems more likely that he’d of helped Misty rather then JO, but JMO.
tobias,
I found the audio of Misty and Flora.Flora is talking about her Psychiatrist.
http://audio.thesky973.com/m/audio/29736865/misty-call-11-2-12-10-b.htm
I don’t know that Nanny will be able to testify,you know what I mean?
I enjoyed The statement analysis. I got alot out of what Peter Hyatt said. I am looking forwaed to the show Sunday. Good line-up.
I see alot of flattering comments about Peter’s writings.
BUT can anyone tell me about his credentials also his background.
There should be something out there that maybe you guys or peter can point us to.
Before I spend any substantial amount of time reading articles and opinions (written by one who seems to takes a stance of being an authority) such as what I see on his blog I want to be sure the person expressing them is legitimate.
Otherwise a person can just have devoted some time reading others books and works and then repeat what they have read and learned from others and pass the info on as tho they were an authority just to hear themselves “talk” so to speak.
Not intended as a slight against this guy, but y’all know what I mean.
So I’ll check back here tomorrow and hopefully someone will have the documented credentials for Peter. Thanks alot 🙂
Peace..
interesting question del..Mr.Riley’s profile
Seamus O Riley
Gender: Male
Industry: Accounting
Location: Small Town : New England : United States
An accountant? I wonder if he has ever testified in court regarding his “statement analysis”?
Was that a “REAL” song (“Talk to me”) that Ron dedicated to Misty on youtube? If you’re being facetious, I’d like to say Ron would actually dedicate “I’ll be Watching You” by the Police!
(“Every move you make, every step you take, I’ll be watching…Every bond you break, every smile you fake, every step you take, I’ll be watching you.”)
Grandma Flora is certainly entertaining. I wonder if all these theories that she has came from Misty when she was visiting her in Tennessee for 10 days way back when.
I have read that Flora needs an MRI and may have a brain tumor. If that’s the case, depending upon where the tumor is located, it could be pressing on an area that controls rational thought. I sure hope she’s okay because she is the only one saying “Enough with the BS already!”
Even though I’m a new fan, I’ve been reading this site for a few months now. I didn’t know that there was another site dedicated to Haleigh, other than Art Harris. I have read all the opinions and sometimes they have opened my mind up to alternate scenarios.
The name calling on this web site is truly the only downside. Please stop acting like the Croslins!
Jan 57, please hang in there. My heart goes out to you. You are a survivor and I wish you all the best. Peace~ : )
Del – Peter Hyatt is employed by the State of Maine, he works with various police departments in Statement Analysis. He also teaches it. He has over 10 years experience, and has been consulted in many high profile cases.
I am sure that he will be happy to give a short bio on the program on Sunday.
I just listened to the phone call again with Misty and Nanny in the car. OMG!!! That one was tough to get through. lol
waitfor?? Have a link?
NG was a re-run last night with additional info. Hank Sr. Tells Misty that he knows he and Lisa did not do it. They were at Shands Hospital in Gainseville. Hank also tells Misty that he knows Tommy did not do it He knows for a fact. Hank says he loved Haleigh and if he finds out anyone hurt Haleigh he is going to put a bullet through them. He would put one in his own son if they hurt Haleigh.
I had heard the part before where Hank Sr. talks about how he loved Haleigh and what he would do if he fpound out who hurt Haleigh, but i never heard the part where he tells Misty he knew for a fact Tommy did not do it.
unfortunately, I have a lot to do today. I will check in from time to time. I am hoping we hear something soon. You all have a great day.
Posted by Winterrose at 3:40
Maybe Peter Hyatt could analyze some of the statements from Crystal Sheffield’s family as well. Marie’s, “I don’t feel Haleigh around here… Georgia, Alabama…” for starters?
Im assuming that the pathological lying started with Grandma Hollers and passed on down the line. That whole family needs to be locked up. That woman can sit there on tv and say with a straight face that she doesnt even know if Haleigh was dead when she hit the water. Tell me how a human can say something like that and not have a tear in her eye. Then to pretty much say that sweet baby Haleigh was sexually abused by both those boys and still sit there and not show any signs of emotion. Shes a pig and Im sure she will be judged along with the rest of that crazy family by God right before he sends them all straight to hell
Who needs a voice analysis?? Misty holds the key to what happened to Haleigh.
Period.
Until she talks, or her brother turns on her, we will know nothing but speculation.
Kate said,in April 24th, 2010 at 11:35 am Maybe Peter Hyatt could analyze some of the statements from Crystal Sheffield’s family as well. Marie’s, “I don’t feel Haleigh around here… Georgia, Alabama…” for starters?
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Thank you Kate for suggesting it, so I didn’t have to.
That side of the family has been off limits in the search for HaLeigh in this case because of many that can not get past the circus created by the Sheffield’s and even when exposed and publicly discredited by legal documents by the attorney that represented CS, they are still untouchable, because, there where to many seeded lies nurtured to gigantic proportions, unfounded speculation and media using HaLeighs name for ratings to cover their stink.
Mothers day is soon approaching, I have hope we will have answers soon.
Right on, Kate!
My lol response to WinterRose’s post at 3:40 am:
With a family with issues like that I’m thinking I would prolly need a shrink too!
My own opinion on Marie’s comments about mentioning other states where she felt Haleigh might be is that her message is to not stop looking for Haleigh period. She expanded the search area wiely by making the comments that she did. jmo.
“widely”
Who is this Peter guy you want to tout as an expert in this field? He uses a FAKE name on his site and has NO credentials listed that make him an expert in ANYWAY in this field. so who is he? Peter or this other name? and where did he get his education in this subject? I see no reason to listen till you can answer those questions simon. JMO
The Sheffields may be liars but I dont see them being involved in what happened that night in Feb. and neither does LE from what we are now seeing in the investigation. And I believe they were investigated but it went no where, there was no evidence of wrong doing on their part. The only circus they started was trying to get Junior away from a father that we now here on tapes saying he will take him with him first. Not the usual over my deadbody but both our dead bodies. jmo
That could also be the King Solomon story. The mother in that story said she would give up the child to the other just to let it live the other said she would rather see the child dead.
Take it however you want it is just a theory. jmo
What reason did they have to lie?
That is the milloin dollar question.
They did not have faith in LE?
They knew the public would consider all the facts that are relevant to a missing childs case at that time and she would of naturaly been looked at?
Why have an attorney do it?
Why? why? why?
Where was chad the night of febuary 9th and the early morning of the 10th?
Why did it take Crystal more than 2 hours to get to satsuma after hearing her daughter was missing from her bed in the middle of the night and they can not find her and the police have been called?
Texasmommy39 it was around 8 hours before Crystal and Marie showed up.
Unheard of prior to this case and it it gets a pass and a pro bono defense.
I will not say anthing more than you can have your opinion .Opinion is just that what you think not what is real. jmo
Has anyone checked out CS attorney? She is a nurse as well. She deals with mental problems that would go hand and hand in cases dealing with family law issues that need her expertise.
tobias, how do you justify it taking Crystal 8 hours to get there?
Thank you tobias. PCSO web site can be helpfull to all in clearifing the facts.
NO charges, no body, no suspect and the case has been solved on the internet since day one. NOT.LOL
Anyone read more of Seamus O Riley aka Peter’s blog……… going back to 2006?? Curious of what anyone else thought of his “blogging/writings” if you had a chance to read it in more depth other than the Nancy Grace comments. I would really like to know his educational training and where his sanctioned courses were taught….
I find it all very curious.
tobias said,in April 24th, 2010 at 1:46 pm I will not say anything more than you can have your opinion .Opinion is just that what you think not what is real. jmo
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It is sad you continue to discredit my opinion when you just repeat what you hear. I am not picking on you nor do I dislike you. I have called a truce and have said I am sorry if it will help.
I do not like being ignored, but favor it to the attacks. Peace….Please.
Treece I will be back in a moment, need to feed. I have not seen you around in awhile and would love to chat. BB in 10 Min.
tobias said,in April 24th, 2010 at 1:27 pm The Sheffields may be liars but I dont see them being involved in what happened that night in Feb. and neither does LE from what we are now seeing in the investigation. And I believe they were investigated but it went no where, there was no evidence of wrong doing on their part. The only circus they started was trying to get Junior away from a father that we now here on tapes saying he will take him with him first. Not the usual over my deadbody but both our dead bodies. jmo
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ITA with you Tobias, they were really never on LE’s radar for a good reason. And frankly after hearing the tapes about Ron taking Jr with him (death ) if he thought he would lose custody is chilling, but he also told Tim Miller something very similar. Ipray to God he serves the max for his drug trafficking and never has unsupervised visit with JR affter that, he’s obviously unstable and has some serious issues of abondement after his mom ditched him for GGMS to raise, so when Crystal left him it triggered all those represssed feeling IMO…….the kids were only pawns to punish another woman who left him.
Misty lies for one or two reasons…too cover her own butt or the cover for Ron. Everyone else is collateral damage! That’s all she cares about! JMO
WOW where does this chit come from?
I tell you what put all the women in Rons life past and present into a closed room and we would find out who knows what!
It is sad that some posters are unable to let go of their unfounded conspiracy theories that involve the Sheffield/Griffis family.
It has become obvious that this is not a family abduction case and the Sheffield/Griffis family has no involvement at all.
I would hope that the family would be treated with the respect they deserve. They are victims in this crime and have suffered a terrible loss.
@ just one said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
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I find your thoughts of abandonment very interesting regarding Ron. I have known a few people with that issue.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 24th, 2010 at 2:37 pm @ just one said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
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I find your thoughts of abandonment very interesting regarding Ron. I have known a few people with that issue.
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Thanks BAC, and so have I, it’s very sad and I do worry for JR should he get out anytime soon.
You all need to read the post at WS by the lady whose husband works for ABC News cleaning up tapes. Ron was NOT talking suicide. It was the tattoos he got of Jr and HaLeigh. I would link it for you but the way they slam Simon over there, I won’t.
You think as many times as Cobra mentioned Ron and guns in the mouth he would have never commented on this and didn’t even react but instead carried on the conversation? Think logically without agendas.
Lori said,in April 24th, 2010 at 2:47 pm You all need to read the post at WS by the lady whose husband works for ABC News cleaning up tapes. Ron was NOT talking suicide. It was the tattoos he got of Jr and HaLeigh. I would link it for you but the way they slam Simon over there, I won’t.
You think as many times as Cobra mentioned Ron and guns in the mouth he would have never commented on this and didn’t even react but instead carried on the conversation? Think logically without agendas.
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First of all I have NO agenda except justice for HaLeigh, and JR. Also-the gun in the mouth and taking everyone out was from Tim Miller not Cobra.
Sorry, I have no idea how that posted three times.
Just One…. you posted a response for me… thank you.
Why is RC’s attorney sending messages to MC through the media? “I hope that if MC was involved, that it was something that she was ‘forced’ to do- or was ‘threatened’. Oh, and by the way..”RC’s not ‘mad’.”
Tim is not the only one and it was discussed by Cobra too. I didn’t mean to point at all of you, just a few so I apologize for that.
Just One, I know we all have Junior and HaLeigh as our main focus, I truly believe that is why we are here.
http: / / en . wikipedia . org / wiki / Culpability remove the spaces.
when all is said and done croslins, cummings, and sheffields fit this. perhaps MG not so much since it was ‘mentioned’ ‘somewhere’ that she was going after RC for ‘molestation’ . i doubt it, but all are culpable for the situation leading up to Haleigh’s demise.
‘IMO’
And me. ty jmo
truthbetold said,in April 24th, 2010 at 2:31 pm It is sad that some posters are unable to let go of their unfounded conspiracy theories that involve the Sheffield/Griffis family.
It has become obvious that this is not a family abduction case and the Sheffield/Griffis family has no involvement at all.
I would hope that the family would be treated with the respect they deserve. They are victims in this crime and have suffered a terrible loss.
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There is nothing that is obvious in this case IMO.
The family does have my sympathy, but, a criminal is still not charged or arrested and it was no stranger that commited this abduction.
Unfounded theories are all that you have as well, if you are buying into Misty did it, Ron did it, Tommy did it, Joe did it, heck they all did it theory.
LOL I wish you all could back up your argument with alibis and phone records from that side of the family. If you think that search in Baker County was to dispell rumors or at the families request I guess the one at the river was to clear Tommy at his request.LMAO.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 24th, 2010 at 2:58 pm Just One…. you posted a response for me… thank you.
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YW BAC, just no clue why it posted 3 times.
Lori said,in April 24th, 2010 at 3:08 pm Tim is not the only one and it was discussed by Cobra too. I didn’t mean to point at all of you, just a few so I apologize for that.
Just One, I know we all have Junior and HaLeigh as our main focus, I truly believe that is why we are here.
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No need to apologize Lori! I know he mentioned it to Cobra too and I agree we are all here for HaLeigh and JR <3
The one difference is Ron was the custodial parent, the one who had all legal rights in how his child was cared for. Crystal only had rights for visitation. Rons own Gma sykes said all she could do was be mad because it was his house.(TO ME THAT SAYS HE WOULD NOT LISTEN TO HER AND TROUBLE WOULD ARISE OUT OF HER PUSHING THE ISSUE). JMO
I agree Ron had custody, but, Crystal had a choice to be involved or not. Crystal had a choice to go to work and hire an attorney and fight for her kids. Crystal admitted on camera she was not aware that the children where being abused, but, was taking picture in November and calling DCF. She went about things the wrong way and she let her children down as well.
Two parents providing and supporting the children leaves no room for mistakes.
Texasmommy, I respect your opinion but don’t see any way possible Tommy would be involved to this extent for the Sheffields. Some of their behavior has been odd but I just don’t see it anymore.
That theory would have to include all Croslins, including Lindsy, going along with this to protect the Sheffields so I just can’t see it.
Just One, I did need to apologize for making a general statement like that. I try to be respectful and I just lumped everyone together in my post. It was rude and I didn’t mean to.
del said,in April 24th, 2010 at 3:49 am
You raised the same issues I have in the last week, without any response… from anyone.
I did take the time to read all of his past blogs and they certainly don’t mention or have anything to do with statement analysis or whatever he calls it…
I don’t blindly accept an “expert” on the Internet, especially one with no documented or stated credentials. Please don’t misunderstand, I am NOT passing judgement on anyone, however I am a bit skeptical after all of the so called “experts” theories on this case, that were no more expert than you or me..
TexasMommy, I’ve wondered why it took Crystal so long to get to Satsuma, too. Going by her subsequent actions and reports of her usage, I believe she might have spent that time trying to get drugs.(or HIDING drugs that may have been in her house) Sometimes the dealer doesn’t answer the phone right away or doesn’t have the supply in stock. It takes time to hook up. Truthfully, that’s what I thought. I’m not meaning to slander her; I have had and still DO have some family members in the thrall of narcotics and that came FIRST. ALWAYS. I base it on that.
Jnet and del, I agree. I have spent an hour researching him and can find nothing on him. I would think an expert who works with police departments on high profile cases would be mentioned somewhere.
No announcement on upcoming classes, just nothing but a blog. I would think he would at least advertise his courses and availability on his own blog.
Lori said,in April 24th, 2010 at 3:39 pm Just One, I did need to apologize for making a general statement like that. I try to be respectful and I just lumped everyone together in my post. It was rude and I didn’t mean to.
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Well I didn’t think you were rude at all, but understand if you felt you needed to:) To be honest you are one of the least rude posters at BNN IMO, in other words I have never seen anything you posted to be offensive.
Texasmommy39 said,in April 24th, 2010 at 3:31 pm I agree Ron had custody, but, Crystal had a choice to be involved or not. Crystal had a choice to go to work and hire an attorney and fight for her kids. Crystal admitted on camera she was not aware that the children where being abused, but, was taking picture in November and calling DCF. She went about things the wrong way and she let her children down as well.
Two parents providing and supporting the children leaves no room for mistakes.
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I could be wrong, but I thought Connie tooks those photos? To be honset if my child had “disappeared” and nobody could tell me a straight story I’d have filed for custody and got DCF involved too, although we know DCF in FLorida leaves alot to be desired.
Lori, Thank you so much for your input…. I feel like a broken record, even when Peter aka Seamus O Riely was on line, I ask please share you credentials, an accredited class you teach??? where?? I have yet to see an answer. Following last week’s radio/episode I ask those questions and my interuptation was he stated on the radio call he worked in “LE, or associated state entitie” and I have listened to it again a few times and IMHO is what most were led to believe. I’m sorry, perhaps you all think I am so doubting, but quite frankly I am beyond weary of watching every relative, hanger on, crawl out of the woodwork for their 15 minutes of fame, over the death of a precious little soul. I do not follow others blindly, I need some proof..
I am sure Simon checked his background out before he asked him on the panel. I dont believe he would want to look like others who do things for ratings and could careless whether the person has credentials or a sound background (ng) and it isnt the first time she has not checked a persons background out(M. Duckett).jmo
Jnet, I agree. I know Simon has talked to him but why is there nothing out there about this man? Peter stating his credentials without some proof bothers me. Why not mention those credentials and classes he teaches on his own site?
I am also skeptical of all these people suddenly appearing as “experts”. There is enough bad information about all these people without armchair analyzers chiming in.
I’ll try to hush now before I make Simon mad. I guess I just trust TJ’s opinions and information and not anyone else.
Simon Barrett said,in April 24th, 2010 at 8:28 am Del – Peter Hyatt is employed by the State of Maine, he works with various police departments in Statement Analysis. He also teaches it. He has over 10 years experience, and has been consulted in many high profile cases.
I am sure that he will be happy to give a short bio on the program on Sunday.
Listen to the show , he will give his credentials then.jmo
I respect your opinion, tobias, however I disagree. It would be so very simple to document credentials, so I don’t understand why after countless questions that has not been done. Please again, no disrespect to anyone, but I would recommend you read all of his blogs (Peter) to make a more informed opinion, I have nothing else to go on…other than his written word that caused me some concern.
Sorry I am not not a NG fan, however her panel is clearly defined by their college degrees and work history……excluding the Croslin/Cummings/Shelfield clans.
Well you can bet if Peter Hyatt teaches the class then investigators use the same tech. when they question people. To me this is a chance to see what LE has seen from the beginning. What they were hearing inbetween all the lies,the grain of truth. jmo
I read that tobias and I have researched my fingers off and can find nothing on any courses he teaches. Not even a small newspaper notice. And nothing on any high profile cases or otherwise. Not even on his own site which seems to be opinion and not analysis.
Did ya ever think maybe like us he would rather use a nic? I really cant get over how you think Simon would say he checked the guy out and still not believe him ggeeeezzz. jmo
I am sorry Tobias, but we are at opposite ends of the spectrem. I have read his(Peter’s blog) entire blog from 2006, have you done the same? No disrespect to anyone on this blog, or AH, or NG or any other media outlet, HOWEVER if very basic simple questions can not be answered, then yes that raises a huge red flag for me. I am sorry you choose to geezz me, because I prefer to seperate fact from fiction, as well as experts from us common folk, rather than blindly following what someone on the internet tells me.
Seamus?! IIRC, there is an inactive acct on Websluthes with the user name Shaymus. Any relation?
ps Most professionals do not use alias’…especially two different names… just a thought. For professionals, that just isn’t good for business. If you have the platform, normally the real deals choose to get their name out there.
perhaps he’ll be simon’s AH?
as AH is to NG?
hmmm…jus a thought.
My dear fellow bloggers. I am frankly extremely tired of hearing all the nonsense about Peter Hyatt not being who he says he is. His connections are clearly stated under the government of Maine website. He works for Adult Protective services and is clearly stated as being on staff as Peter Hyatt DHSS APS investigator. If only you would know how to concisely look up facts on the internet and not question every bloody thing that has already been made available as facts by Mr.Simon Barrett you would be much further ahead.
Jnet, If you want credidation you will have to listen on Sunday. Simon takes calls from listeners. I believe he said he checked him out and I also read here that P.H. WILL GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED.JMO
I went back an listened to brown today.The man asked if we would be heraring who the suspect is,Brown says i think you already know.
Just a matter of building a criminal case that will stand up in court.
brown says i have been working this case for the last 10 mon.CS Halieghs mom is my client.
An on Monday i solved this case.*That why there out there
What the straw that broke the camels back show host ask,brown well we had to get the details of what happened in the trailor that night(from Who Tommy)
An brown says i got those,but let me tell you i have the highest regaurd for Putnam co-an he goes on to name some.
Then he says hes been working for
10 months an finaly brought it all together.
aHUGE THANK YOU TO SALUKI.
Brown is also asked if RC is involved and Brown states not to his knowledge or something to that effect. His answer makes me question many things imo.
Yes, as a matter of fact I did find his name on the government website for adult autism and disabilities in the state of Maine…. I didn’t realize that was what we were talking about or how that relates to his profession of “statement analysis”….. or where he has teaching credentials…. I am so very sorry you think I “question every bloody subject” on this website. Apparently this is the only post of mine you have read.
Obviously I have been sent to bed without my dinner tonight, I hope you got all of your aggression out on me, Saluki, so no one else has to experience your rant…. or God forbid have a different opinion from what you share.
Again, I only ask we agree to disagree. But you certainly don’t intimidate me in any way shape or form or intellectually…
Really tobias?? Really?? I misjudged you from your other posts, I used to think you could speak very well for yourself… But I am really happy that Saluki was able to help you out.
Again, I will say I am beyond weary, disgusted, appalled by anyone using the death of Haliegh as a platform for selfish reasons.
If that, in your opinion, makes me a Judas for asking questions, then I honestly could not care less….. Good night.
I’m still suspicious:)
Why did she get so angry that PH checked out? Isnt that what we all wanted? I chose to believe Simon since its his show and his image that would be tarnished if PH wasnt who he said he was. I really dont understaand what I did except take Simon at his word? jmo
See you all Sunday. I for one think this will be a very eye opening show.jmo
Second part of browns interview,hold on im getting to something,i didnt mean to post untill i finished,did so by accident
Host talks ,then brown says this appears all of a sudden but actualy is a colmonation,of my 10 month investigation
An he talks about deer carcus,an what may be left in the water,then he goes to say other items that might still be there.
host ask Is this eveidence going to be enough to build a case against a suspect,Browns says yes.
Thenbrown says it will coroborate the ((EYE WitnessES)) testimonies that we have.
Can you tell me who will be hauled in,Brown says i have to refur you to the PCSO.
Host ask is it possable suspects not in Fla riight now,Broen says oh certianly,Host is it possible the suspect was questioned in the last 24 hrs.Brown says is it possable there more than one suspect.Anwser to all thos questions is yes.
Host are we going to find out if Misty had an copobility in this case.Brown> You know Misty was there,she admits to being there.Brown says im not a Attornt,i dont know the legal — of
Child Endangerment,an that sort of thing.So if she has copobility or not thats something —down the road.
Do you think Ron has copo.Brown not to the best of my knol.same he says for Crystal.
Host Time fram for this.Brown says depens on what they found in the river.There looking for corbrobating eveidence,for our eye whitness of what transpired that night.
Now that leads me to believe he got the eye whitness evidence an what happened fromTommy
Tommys Lawyer said on interview,That Tommy & he spoke for 2 days after LDT,then they called Brown,then Tommys attorny said they went an turned that into the LAW.
Now i ask who broke the case.Tommy told what he saw(eye whitness ststement)After the test Attorny,an Tommy broke the case Right,he only called Brown in Two days after he already found out about what he said he saw that night.Did Brown go check for the rope agter he was called in.
Did Attorny,plan with he including Brown ,to turn in what eveidence as rope found at Tommys
Tommys eye whitness signed statment together with his Attorny,when Brown,was called,alloed to be a part of this privy imfo.Did he want to toot his own horn,an he slipped an called LE before the Attorny could get the paper work prepared to go to The head of the investigation.Tommys Attorny said on video Tommy,an he cracked the case so to speak Then After Brown goes on tv an claimes he did..Tommys Attorny says Brown did not crack the case.
So whos truthfull.It would seem Tommy told,His Attorny,so they were the first 2 to know.An the Attorny called Brown so he in truth was the 3rd to know,granny being a close 4th in Tom Attorny sorta helped brown be a part,or getting him to go for the rope,that was left.I think Tommy who was the eye whitness was the cracker lol
I was not, nor am I angry…. PH checks out as a state employee that works with autistic adults… sorry I thought I clarified that above several posts above. Please do not state what you perceive my mood to be, I am more than capable to do so myself.. And if I am angry, I will tell you so. As I stated over and over, ad nauseum, I merely ask questions, not sure of why or how that incites such judgemental/angry responses.
Sorry but I just thought about the van. All the questions about it being in the wrong place ,when the scratches were on it and if it left to go to the MH where all made by Chelsea and the Croslins. There is no proof the van went anywhere or when the scratches were put on the van. The story sounds weird if you go back and listen to it. Chelsea says Misty called her to ask about the scratches. Wouldnt Chelsea have noticed them when she noticed it was parked wrong? She even says its just her accusations. jmo
Jan, everything is so confusing. I had to go back and listen to Brown’s statement last night because after reading everything, I wanted to know exactly what he did say and not go by my memory. Thank you for typing this out.
I have a feeling the red truck was used and if it was there will be red paint on the bricks when they were put in the truck bed. Does anyone know if the LE have the red truck that Tommy got rid of? jmo
You have a good point Tobias. I’m not sure about the red truck either. Did TC sell this To JO or is this just a rumor?
tobias, I don’t know if they have the truck but Tim Miller said he found the truck and LE took the truck in for forensics and that it was clear.
just one said,in April 24th, 2010 at 4:06 pm Texasmommy39 said,in April 24th, 2010 at 3:31 pm I agree Ron had custody, but, Crystal had a choice to be involved or not. Crystal had a choice to go to work and hire an attorney and fight for her kids. Crystal admitted on camera she was not aware that the children where being abused, but, was taking picture in November and calling DCF. She went about things the wrong way and she let her children down as well.
Two parents providing and supporting the children leaves no room for mistakes.
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I could be wrong, but I thought Connie tooks those photos? To be honset if my child had “disappeared” and nobody could tell me a straight story I’d have filed for custody and got DCF involved too, although we know DCF in FLorida leaves alot to be desired.
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Connie took those photos in the presence of Crystal.
If I received a phone call at 3:47 am telling my 5 year old is missing from her bed in the middle of the night and police where on the scene I would be there as fast as I legally could not 8 hours later.
Crystal had been trying to use the DCF system to get her children back for awhile, thats how they do it down there, from what I understand. No job and no money for an attorney it makes perfect sense. The thing is DCF didn’t do what Crystal wanted done, so, IMO that is why we are here today.
If you have a chance read the custody documents in particular what the family says in the appeal.
Also the Bar complaint filed against Kim P is very informative and might give you another perspective of who the Sheffield’s really are.
TC sold that truck to a local. Joe never had a vehicle in Florida. When Tim Miller found it the truck was with a local man who had purchased it from TC.
Hi Texasmommy
Thank you Treece for clearing that up.
Jnet said,in April 24th, 2010 at 6:59 pm I was not, nor am I angry…. PH checks out as a state employee that works with autistic adults… sorry I thought I clarified that above several posts above. Please do not state what you perceive my mood to be, I am more than capable to do so myself.. And if I am angry, I will tell you so. As I stated over and over, ad nauseum, I merely ask questions, not sure of why or how that incites such judgemental/angry responses.
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Jnet, welcome to the family 🙂 Hang in there and continue to ask questions, many do appreciate it and would love some answers instead of take it or leave it.
HI treece;)
Hope you are welcome. IT is so hard to keep these things straight because we have heard everything with very little facts.
Guess that depends on what you mean by “checked out” – Granted, Mr. Hyatt does appear to be currently employed by the State of Maine DHHS/APS in Districts 6/Southern part of 7(I have a dear friend who works in D2),serves in a respectable profession, isn’t a RSO, plays the guitar, enjoys posting online customer reviews, everything from shoes to books, including many on the very subject he claims to have an expertise in, and he has an interest in true crime/criminals psyche. He’s seems bright and articulate but as far as having any credentials pertaining specifically to statement analysis, in particular, involving criminal investigations, I haven’t located anything that backs that up. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. On the other hand, if “it” doesn’t exist, then he’s no different than all the many others following these cases who hold down respectable jobs, aren’t RSO’s, have various interests and hobbies, one being crimes in the news/true crime stories (*especially those that involve a child) and trying to figure out whose telling the truth (not involved or guilty) and whose really lying (responsible or guilty). Just like us except that we’re not claiming to have any type of expertise. I’m sure that Mr. Hyatt can easily provide references and/or site some of the cases that he’s helped the Maine State Police with…
I think all tools are useful in a investigation, such as LTD and Statement Analysis, but, they are used in combination with good ol’ police work. I agree with Tommy’s attorney there is no pass or fail, it is just a tool that can help a investigation move forward not miraculously solved.
tobias said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
The one difference is Ron was the custodial parent, the one who had all legal rights in how his child was cared for. Crystal only had rights for visitation.
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Crystal had joint legal custody. She had just as many rights as Ron had. She had rights to access HaLeigh’s school records and speak to HaLeigh’s teachers (without Ron’s permission), she had to the right to speak with HaLeigh’s doctors and access her medical records, etc. Ron had physical custody, but legal custody was shared between Ron and Crystal. It was up to Crystal to assert her rights.
I’m not sure why this is being argued about now. Just thought I would clarify.
If PCSO was using this type of investigative tool it would be interesting IMO, but, I do not believe it is going to be necessary. I imagine PCSO POI list is being aggressively pursued and soon lab test will be back and they can move forward again.
J said,in April 24th, 2010 at 7:43 pm tobias said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
The one difference is Ron was the custodial parent, the one who had all legal rights in how his child was cared for. Crystal only had rights for visitation.
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Crystal had joint legal custody. She had just as many rights as Ron had. She had rights to access HaLeigh’s school records and speak to HaLeigh’s teachers (without Ron’s permission), she had to the right to speak with HaLeigh’s doctors and access her medical records, etc. Ron had physical custody, but legal custody was shared between Ron and Crystal. It was up to Crystal to assert her rights.
I’m not sure why this is being argued about now. Just thought I would clarify
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I advised them to read the custody docs. Thank you for writing it out,LOL.
I am still of the opinion that a Sheffield took HaLeigh and I get the rant everytime I post. SORRY.
Thank you so much TM39, actually I have been here for a while, reading and then posting, unfortunately my husbands name “Anth” popped up and I just didn’t bother to change it. Again thank you, I appreciate your kind words. My intent truly is sincere with absolute no malice.. I have seen way too many take advantage of tragic situation for personal gain, and that does break my heart.
Tobias, the van article and video were poorly edited. Chelsea was talking about Lindsy, the owner, calling her the next day. This was confirmed with the reporter, Matt Saffer.
You are right though about all the van information coming from the Croslins, primarily Chelsea.
MINE TOO. It sad that so many do come here to BNN seeking the truth and answers first, but, since there has been very little of that it seems the appitite of some is to jump on the comercialized (by Crystal and Marie) name “HaLeigh Cummings” and get their name out there and make a few bucks.
Wow it seems y’all know some details.lol I wish you would post more often.
Y’all do know who blstark is ..right?
Not that I want to discuss that particular topic, but, when someone doesn’t know alot…it can be a head ache when you are trying to work through this crazy case.
In the drug world,addicted people arE true experst on what goes on in their world.
In a dealers world,a true expert is another dealer.
In a murderers life, expert would be another murder.
Serial killers,CAN be experts,to what another serial killer may do
Child molester,get one thats already locked up,he can tell you how another one thinks.
A religious person,who just is a religious person tell you what other religious people are like.They tend to down all,an there none that are to profection by their mind set they are ,an know all.No other can toch them the are the smarted,the crulest.They gossip,But they will beat you to death with the word,an all are going to hell that dont follow them,an they usualy hang with others like them.Putting others down,if the dont think like them.Most are bitter,self rightious people.Who think they know god,haveing a form of Godlyness but denying the POWER OF GOS,U WILL SEE THEM HANGING WITH OTHERS JUST LIKE THEM.THERE EXPERST AT HOW TO BE UNLOVEING UNKIND,AN JUDGEMENTAL OF ALL.bECAUSE NICE PEOPLE RUN FROM THE HATEFULNEESS JUGEMENTALNESS THY SPUE
A Person who realy love Jesus,is a expert on the love of God.gentle,kind,an full of love,an compassion,never wanting to see anyone go to hell,they read the word, an through the guidence of the Holy spirit understand it.The can pick another person who truly loves an worships Jesus,they know each other by the love.They have for one another,an love an compassion for man kind.They are experts of real truth,not judgements truth.
So if we want to be anexpert on anything,to me its better to have lived it,then we can decern,( decernment a gift freely given from God) WE CAN DECERN PEOPLE,WHAT TYPE PERSON THEY ARE,Jesus had walked with Peter a while knew him,but once he spoke to Peter,an told peter from what peter was saying,an how he was acting that.Peter jesus said,you know not what spirit you are of,in other words Jesus noticed a change in peter,that wasnt for the better.An Jesus knowing what spirits we deal with every day,wonder what he would have to say when we get self rightious.Damn something he created to hell,as if we are God the rightious judge.Or when we rip into each other,over something that really has no barring on us .Other than we have followed a case,or got emotionaly tied to the carectors,or the baby .We are just people hanging out posting our op with some news ,videos an theorys .So whos smarter than the other,none,all want to be the tope one,who knows more,but in truth all we know is what weve,read,an heard from others,spun with out thoughts about things.
On may feel Rons involved one may not.one may think Crystals just as guilty as Ron from yrs of drug use,some may not.One thinks Joe did have a part,some dont,seems just about all have damned Misty to prison for eterntiy,an many say shes the only bad,one the killer for sure.
Some may feel this mans a expert,some may not.But to get in a fight tearing into someone about some person you may never meet,an could possibly be wrong about.
It likechildren playing ,an one mean one gets all to gang on another ,because she/hes a bully.Except you are not children,an your in a public place,as my mother use to say.Show some respect,everyone has a right to speak here,unless Simon,an Jan poof them ,or call them down.But its ugly for new readers who may be interested in comming here about this case,to have to weed through the damn infighting.
When not one thing any say will make,or break this case.But you may make azzz out of your selves before others,mostly those who are passing by looking for a decent place to blogg.An here about this case.Get a grip.Theres one of you,an i wont bust you out,but i watched you in action for months now,an you actualy do think your the chit,an your the boss.Its disgusting.Grow up,an act normal.
I have watched you fight with not one,but many.So it cant be all of them every time. them,an non you.Please grow up,an come off your high an mighty high horse,All here are as smart, decent, smart theorys
shame for a grown person to always be putting ripples on the water.Everyone has a op an should be allowed to sahre,as long as they arnt vulgar,an attacking another OP ,AS THEIRS IS LAW.
If this person Simons is haveing on,has been in that field,or worked with criminals for a long time,then he could be an experst,in knowing them,picking up on lies.an such.
Sundays around the corner,listen,an make your call as to if you like,or dislike,nbelieve,or not believe,but stop fighting.
texasmommy39 said,in April 24th, 2010 at 8:02 pm Wow it seems y’all know some details.lol I wish you would post more often.
Y’all do know who blstark is ..right?
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An absolute nut job that’s who. FYI-I read the custody doc’s a long time ago as soon as they were posted on the net. Simple, Ron lied about drug use, Crystal didn’t. Ron had just got a job and Crystal didn’t, judge gave him custody and the fact that if he managed to keep a job the kids would have insurance period. And I sure as heck wished a Sheffield had taken Haleigh and Jr, more than likely we’d never have heard of her, nor would we be talking about her death.
Have a great night
((((( Jan 57 ))))))
just one said,in April 24th, 2010 at 8:25 pm texasmommy39 said,in April 24th, 2010 at 8:02 pm Wow it seems y’all know some details.lol I wish you would post more often.
Y’all do know who blstark is ..right?
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An absolute nut job that’s who. FYI-I read the custody doc’s a long time ago as soon as they were posted on the net. Simple, Ron lied about drug use, Crystal didn’t’t. Ron had just got a job and Crystal didn’t, judge gave him custody and the fact that if he managed to keep a job the kids would have insurance period. And I sure as heck wished a Sheffield had taken Haleigh and Jr, more than likely we’d never have heard of her, nor would we be talking about her death.
Have a great night
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Well, I wouldn’t call her a nut job and feel it is a shame you feel the need to . Have you met her?
I can tell you from experience that it does not matter if the mother has a job or not it is based on her ability to be the better parent. I had three children a GED and no job, heck had never had a job because I was a teen age mother at the age of 16. I divorced my husband (children’s father) after 5 years of marriage and non stop violence and his drug and alcohol abuse. I was raised to be a good wife and make it work. I spent three days in the hospital to finally realize I needed to TAKE MY GIRLS AND LEAVE HIM. I was 19. NO job, no money, but determination and a maternal instinct.
It takes a lot to be called a mommy and or daddy it takes nothing to be called a parent.
IMO the judge must of seen the difference. So yes I agree if Crystal and Ron had still been the mommy and daddy and living their lives right HaLeigh would still be with them both today.
I will have a great night and hope you do as well.
just one, where were you when blstarke was donating her time and her dog’s time on many searches for Haleigh?? Where were you when she was bringing her trained crisis therapy dog to the Haleigh bug center to comfort and play with Jr week after week?? I would guess you were right where I am, setting on my ars talking about this case. I don’t know where you get your info but at the time Haleigh’s family was very thankful that she was there. The same lady donates 100s of hours a year taking her trained dogs to visit elderly and brings much joy to others. What does she get out of it? not one thin dime but the joy of knowing that she gave of herself to help someone one less fortunate. I would be ashamed to talk about her like that.JMO
“…Crystal Sheffield, who was obviously terrorized with fear of Ronald Cummings”
An example of our expert’s work in his current article. That is flat out laughable it’s so far from the truth. And yes, I know so for a fact. Whether anyone believes me or not. Just ask Crystal now how she feels. She’s not a bit scared of him and never was. She was played like a fiddle by Kim and by others before Kim arrived.
I would not be surprised in the least if they get back together assuming Ron doesn’t serve a long sentence. I know I’m not alone in my thinking that.
just one said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
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just one,
Just so you know, that is not the complete set of custody documents. What was available on the net was two documents in a huge custody file. There is a lot more information in the complete file than what was available online.
Ron did not win custody of the children simply because he had a job. And the documents did not say that. That was one reason amongst many (in the documents available online). Another reason listed was the mother’s lack of sustained contact with the children. Judges do not give a parent custody of children because a parent has a job. At the time Crystal got herself an attorney and filed for a rehearing, she listed that she had a job (and insurance for the children), so that clearly was not the only reason Ron was awarded physical custody.
Lori at 8:51PM I totally agree and yes I think Crystal would agree too.
Typos lol but thats me,typing in the dim light.
JNet I appreciate your critical thinking, your questions, and definitely understand your various points, regarding posters comments. I do see the chicken in the chicken coop mentally here often when anyone doesn’t conform to the expectations of the clan posters.
An individuals’ credentials, and to me, more importantly, the quantitative measures utilized to verify the veracity of the principles and overall concept of BH’s investigative analysis are concerning. I have extensively reviewed the BH blog site, his background, and his writings. They are interesting, and there is allot to gleam from the material. At the same time all my RED FLAGS went up. Listening to statements, using the statement analysis principles, as a form of theory, leading to claims of deception, etc. is very frighting. It smacks of hyper-judgementalism to the extreme.
I think it can be improperly used to decimate peoples’ lives based on this pseudo science. This man investigates adults for the state, and also claims to have investigated over a thousand children. He obviously believes in this process so much that he is writing a book, writes a blog about it, and obviously uses it in his investigative work for the state of Maine. My concern is this is being used as a tool in real life by the state against it’s citizens potentially. How does one argue back for example that they are truthfully remembering something from the past, and it is non sensory, while using red flag styles of speech? His conclusion is that there is deception. Automatically. No other options. He speaks so authoritatively, and makes his case to allow for no other options as truth. How does an innocent argue the negatives imposed on them by licensed professionals? I am arguing for a higher standard of measurement of the concept of expertise. Regardless of licensure, books or even acclaim by Simon who recommends him highly. I do think this individual means well and has good intentions. I am concerned though about being so assured that you are right to the point of not seeing the truth. It is easy to get lofty in our own intellect. God warns us to guard against that.
There are benefits to this process and the principles. But -even calling things principles elevates them into a pseudo truth.
I may have to grovel a bit here and apologize for jumping the gun on Mr.Peter Hyatt and his connection to expertise in statement analysis. I have to agree with MaineMommy40 in all that she says. Mr. Hyatt is indeed employed by the state of Maine but it might seem that Mr. Hyatt has adopted the persona of a Mr. Mark Mclish who has a book now on Amazon titled “I know you are lying”. This particular book has been reviewed by Peter Hyatt who lives in Maine.
Mr. Mark Mclish is a retired deputy marshall with 26 years of federal law enforcement experience. He has also taught at the U.S marshalls’ service training academy in Glynco Georgia. These facts are uncomfortably close to statements made bt Mr. Hyatt in relation to his supposed resume. I have read many of Mr.Mclish’s writing and they are remarkably similar in wording to those claimed by Mr. Hyatt as his own. Unless Mr. Mclish is posing as Mr. Hyatt I tend now not to believe that Mr. Hyatt is indeed an expert in statement analysis.
nice catch lori at 8:51pm..
He also said misty was a prostitude..
thats is absolutely wrong. I read that only one time in her dealings with donna brock, it was unsubstantiated!
Thats a libelous statement imho.
I just read Peter’s review of the book and how he took the online courses and read the book five times.
Also, there are people on line stating that Mark MccLish also doesn’t tell people that his book is based on anothers work or ghostwriter.
Interesting Saluki, Peter Hyatt – real name. He has a blog with a different name, claiming to be an accountant with six children. in some of his comments to posters he states that he does INVESTIGATORY WORK.
Three different names in and of it’s self doesn’t shock me as writers often do that. Also with his work in Maine, he probably wants to be able to keep some separation of his private and public life. But if he has this John Mclish name as well and claims another background of a sheriff, perhaps this man has done many things in his life. Or maybe he’s lying.
This will be interesting to verify. He does have a very discernible style of communicating. I’m going to look at the Amazon spot right now. Thanks for the info.
Everyone should question when they feel the need to. And none should question them for doing so.
COO~
homespain, I don’t think they are the same person. I agree with Saluki that he has tried to adopt that other man’s persona. McLish may be another tale altogether with his credentials regarding ‘statement analysis’ but not his resume on working with authorities.
Always be careful on the internet. I’ve come across people that said they were in celebrities lives day to day and they were lying.
Texasmommy 39,oney youve lived it.An im glad you,an your children made it.Its hard for a mother with children to learn to be on their own,when getting from under the thumb of a controling,violent person,who alters their brains with drugs,or drinking.It brings the worst out in them.
But you made it.An your right,an real mother sticks as close as glue to her babies,if she has to go through hell,or high water.Dad stand for what right,an if they cant make it,they should learn to be friends,unless violence was there,but try to do the best thing as prents for their children. Many people failed Haliegh.
If you click on Peter’s amazon profile it shows around 165 reviews. One of them is the book about Casey Anthony. He says he has followed the case from day one and repeats all the same things that everyone else has gleaned from the coverage of the case.
would his job regarding autistic adults also include possible complaints/reports filed with LE regarding possible abuse of autistic adults? Could that be his contact with LE and not statement analysis work???
I will call into the show and ask the statement expert..have you ever testified as an EXPERT WITNESS in a criminal trial?
Great points Saluki and others. I hope someone will contact Simon *IF* he is going to be burned by a fraud.
If people had looked a little further you might have found that Peter Hyatt was and most likely will always be a student of Mark McClish’s.
Does that not account for anything?
I can easily see why Statement Analysis would be a great tool for him to use in his line of work as well.
Thank goodness for people like Mr. Hyatt who is obviously an advocate for people whith autism as well.
Much respect to you Mr. Hyatt.
~Sincerely~
Lori said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
“…Crystal Sheffield, who was obviously terrorized with fear of Ronald Cummings”
An example of our expert’s work in his current article. That is flat out laughable it’s so far from the truth. And yes, I know so for a fact. Whether anyone believes me or not. Just ask Crystal now how she feels. She’s not a bit scared of him and never was. She was played like a fiddle by Kim and by others before Kim arrived.
I would not be surprised in the least if they get back together assuming Ron doesn’t serve a long sentence. I know I’m not alone in my thinking that.
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I agree,Lori.They were talking about getting back together the weekend before Haleigh went missing. She is not afraid of Ron and never was that was all Marie’s crap, and yes that is my opinion, but it’s fairly obvious…. in case anyone asks LOL…I wouldn’t doubt they might one day get back together..
Misty is not afraid of Ron and he didn’t control her either..that is so laughable.
OJ’sGlove, also if his Law Enforcement contact involves autistic adults and NOT statement analysis.
just one said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
texasmommy39 said,in April 24th, 2010 at 8:02 pm Wow it seems y’all know some details.lol I wish you would post more often.
Y’all do know who blstark is ..right?
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An absolute nut job that’s who. FYI-I read the custody doc’s a long time ago as soon as they were posted on the net. Simple, Ron lied about drug use, Crystal didn’t. Ron had just got a job and Crystal didn’t, judge gave him custody and the fact that if he managed to keep a job the kids would have insurance period. And I sure as heck wished a Sheffield had taken Haleigh and Jr, more than likely we’d never have heard of her, nor would we be talking about her death.
Have a great night
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Actually you are wrong about why Crystal didn’t get custody..
And you are wrong about BLstarke too
You must be an EX WS’er..;)
Crystal had given the statement that Ron had punched her in the back of the head at one point.
It was apparently one of the deciding factors that caused her to get out of that relationship.
If it’s true, and if she wasn’t afraid of him after that incident, then IMO she might need her head examined.
tobias said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
The one difference is Ron was the custodial parent, the one who had all legal rights in how his child was cared for. Crystal only had rights for visitation.
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Not true at all. They had joint custody with Ron having primary she was entitled to everything Ron was entitled too..teachers,going to her school, getting doctor reports, etc..
Peter is also a great reviewer of guitar lesson books. Does that make him an expert on guitars because he reads those books to “self teach” himself?
Opinion,
Many people who are autistic do not communicate well and some might not communicate at all so if there were suspicious activities that Mr. Hyatt were called to respond to involving an autistic person do you truly believe that Mr. Hyatt would only be interested in obtaining information for the autistic individual and no one else?
Another thing to consider, and I know this from experience with my own high functioning autistic son, is that people with autism do not respond well to strangers. Mr. Hyatt would most likely HAVE TO investigate the people who are or have been in contact with the autistic individual.
Many people who are autistic do not communicate well and some might not communicate at all so if there were suspicious activities that Mr. Hyatt were called to respond to involving an autistic person do you truly believe that Mr. Hyatt would only be interested in obtaining information “FROM” the autistic individual and no one else?
Online classes do not make an expert especially regarding alledged murdered children. If someone tries to paint themselves as an expert on radio or TV, then they should expect that someone would question and google their expertise and training.
“FROM” the autistic individual and no one else?
No one has said that yet but you. It’s okay that people question his credentials which so far are online classes which are questionable.
texasmommy39 said Y’all do know who blstarke is
just one said, An absolute nut job that’s who
I was just curious why you would say this after the countless hours this woman and her dog, Gunny spent searching for Haleigh and the many hours she spent with Jr. at the Haleighbug Foundation.
opinion: very questionable indeed..imho
Tuff Stuff, I just posted a post to you that must have gone in holding because it has a link on it. You might want to check back tomorrow and see if it is here or just google:
Temple Grandin HBO Movie
My sister in law was just telling me it is a great story about an autistic lady.
This type of analysis is not supposed to be used to convict anyone in court. It is to be used as a general guideline to look into the way people speak, and why people say things in certain ways. I find it fascinating, and I have been studying this type analysis for awhile, now.
I’m sure another “expert” can be found to counter his every opinion..
I smell… BOGUS!!
Karon, that’s true, however someone should not present and represent as an expert. It should state they are giving their opinion and limited
education involving an area that is open to interpretation.
There are so many that follow these cases and when people do not want to agree on everything and walk lockstep, then disagreements arise.
In his review of Mr. McClish’s book on Amazon, he states he took the online course from Mr. McClish’s website. So no professional education.
Hey guys!
Jason said,in April 24th, 2010 at 12:08 am Hey, Holly! Peter’s analyzing the order in which their statements were made in the 911 made it very clear that the call likely WAS staged is very interesting, and just seems to be the truth, as it fits!
Very interesting it was! and I did always wonder why she said daughter missing after saying,we were asleep..like she had to throw that in?
vaquera said,in April 24th, 2010 at 11:37 pm tobias said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
The one difference is Ron was the custodial parent, the one who had all legal rights in how his child was cared for. Crystal only had rights for visitation.
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Not true at all. They had joint custody with Ron having primary she was entitled to everything Ron was entitled too..teachers,going to her school, getting doctor reports, etc..
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Oh Really,thats news to me…sheds some light for me!
Odds on peter backing out of the interview after reading this?
Anyone?
Odds of him explaining his expertise to our staisfaction?
Anyone?
Texasmommy39 said,in April 24th, 2010 at 3:31 pm I agree Ron had custody, but, Crystal had a choice to be involved or not. Crystal had a choice to go to work and hire an attorney and fight for her kids. Crystal admitted on camera she was not aware that the children where being abused, but, was taking picture in November and calling DCF. She went about things the wrong way and she let her children down as well.
Two parents providing and supporting the children leaves no room for mistakes.
I agree 100%
I have to catch up,Dakota went to bed so thought I’d see what yall were agreeing and disagreeing on tonight.lol
You guys are just to sophisticated for me,lol i scroll up and i am like,Cathy……where do they learn all these big faINTcie words,lol
My Gosh,Feel like i’m in a room full of drs and lawyers,lol
Time I catch up and use my webster I’m out of the big league here,lol
vaquera said,in April 24th, 2010 at 11:37 pm tobias said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
The one difference is Ron was the custodial parent, the one who had all legal rights in how his child was cared for. Crystal only had rights for visitation.
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Not true at all. They had joint custody with Ron having primary she was entitled to everything Ron was entitled too..teachers,going to her school, getting doctor reports, etc..
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But she was never told these things,lol
jaba, since I say “I swear to God” about something and I know I’m telling the truth, one who says for a FACT this means I’m lying isn’t likely to convince me. There are no absolutes, no variations for types of speech in the south vs Maine, etc. It’s as subjective as it can be and very prone to error. That’s why it’s not used in court. A LDT has much more credibility and he speaks in absolutes.
My husband has a friend who is a detective in the sheriff’s office of a fairly large city. I’ll ask him if they use it and if so, how frequently they are wrong. According to his writing, he can *always* tell when someone is lying, not just some of the time. If that were true, the jails would be full of innocent people.
if “Mr.3 Names” appears, will simon allow listeners to call in with questions for him?
I think not.
Lori,I do it too,always have!
jaba,,,odds on him backing out or his questions being censored or him switching the subject?
3 Names??
CathyJo said,in April 25th, 2010 at 1:14 am Texasmommy39 said,in April 24th, 2010 at 3:31 pm I agree Ron had custody, but, Crystal had a choice to be involved or not. Crystal had a choice to go to work and hire an attorney and fight for her kids. Crystal admitted on camera she was not aware that the children where being abused, but, was taking picture in November and calling DCF. She went about things the wrong way and she let her children down as well.
Two parents providing and supporting the children leaves no room for mistakes.
I agree 100%
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Please don’t throw rotten eggs at me but if I found my daughter face down in a canal….I’d have slept on Ron’s front porch till I got custody back! jmo
CathyJo–I am assuming Crystal and Ron were never married? Is that correct?
Robin;
No, they were never married
CathyJo, you wouldn’t if you were the one who allowed it to happen and Ron wasn’t even outside per documents and testimony in the case files, imo. Nancy Grace’s expert on the show the day that story was discussed must have had access to the records that aren’t online.
It is my understanding that Haleigh was allegedly found face down in a ditch WHILE Crystal & Ron were together but Ron was suspposed to be watching her IIRC.
Isn’t it lovely how NG’s experts can talk openly about court documents that are not public records. They are sealed only to DCFS, LE, COurt and such but can be access for ENTERTAINMENT tv…
CathyJo…I want to send you something in an email. Just to see if I am really hearing things or if Ron really said what I heard him say.
HollysGmom, it wasn’t a sealed court file regarding custody hearings. Remember when NG was going on her Crystal rants and had the supplemental police report about Crystal reporting her car stolen? It was a supplemental report that we can’t access online but I assume anyone can go get it at the courthouse or police department unless it falls under HIPAA laws or regulations. Whoever the talking head of the day was, she had something in her hand if I remember it correctly. If I remembered the time period, I’d search the transcripts. It was prior to Kim so it wasn’t the same day as the stolen car questions.
I haven’t personally seen anything and can’t vouch for the talking head expert or non-expert NG had. It’s not brought up against Ron in the affidavit Marty Sheffield gave Crystal for the custody hearing so I don’t know.
Either way, that incident didn’t harm HaLeigh and probably taught them both to be careful around water. Someone disgustingly evil DID harm HaLeigh and I just pray we know soon.
Lori;
“Someone disgustingly evil DID harm HaLeigh and I just pray we know soon.”
From your lips to God’s ears….
I’ve sent Jan a clip of one of the conversations in question: Daddy’s Little Boy
I have asked that they play it on the radio show. I was able to bring forward the voices and turn down the siren some. Although the siren does still seem loud, it no longer precludes their words.
As ever, I only want the truth for Haleigh. I’ve said many times that I felt Ron’s onoy guilt was in his choice of babysitter. SInce the River search and recent release of audios, I am more concerned as to his knowledge or involvement. Many still hang onto hope of Haleigh still being alive. That said, the ONLY senario possible for that to be true is a SHeffield abduction. Even I would rather that be true. Evidence seems to be pointing in the other direction according to LE. I am impatient to finally know the truth.
Ron,An Haliegh Memories notice she did not want to get on that bus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h69zFz1kpRo&feature=related
HollysGmom, we now know the Croslins pointed at Joe from day one or two. Tommy told Ron the story about Joe and the alligators. If there is a setup of Joe involved, I’m thinking it was Tommy and possibly Timmy involved as well. Cobra is the only one they (Timmy) told that Joe and the van were gone at 1:00am. They’ve only said (publicly) that he slept in his clothes. And I think that Chelsea later backed down on her Joe accusations in an interview with Art though now they all want to point to him again.
My biggest fear at this point is that law enforcement is hung up while attempting to determine whether or not Joe was involved. If they truly found nothing on or in the van and have only Tommy’s and/or Misty’s word, I don’t ever see them being able to charge him.
I’m not concerned about any involvement of Ron though you are. I am very concerned about every Croslin other than Hank Sr and Lisa if she was with him all night at the hospital as she said. I’m frustrated and pretty scared we will never know what happened to HaLeigh. Even if Tommy makes a deal to plea to body disposal, if they still can’t prove who actually killed her, I’m scared she’ll never get justice and the families will always be left wondering. And we, her “internet family” will be left wondering as well. I pray every night they solve this case and find all who were involved.
HG, I would also love to know if anyone has traveled to MA again to question Timmy. We only know about Joe because the FL media was staking out his house.
Lori;
I have been recieving updates from both Mass and Tenn as far as breaking news reports and have yet to have anything from Mass about this case in the opast week.
My only wish is that if she really is deceased, gone from this world, that her remains to be found so that we ALL can know for sure. Then, hopefully, some cause of death will be found and will match the clims made by the “eye-witnesses”.
I want Tommy & Misty to explain to us ALL how they were able to stand idly by while someone/JO raped & murdered an innocent 5 yr old child! God forbid, even helped to that end! I want them to tell us how they allowed that to happen. Why they got involved and just what exactly really did happen.
I have faith in Steve Brown. I want to believe him when he says he knows what happened in that trailer that night. Surely LE will have more information to release soon…they can’t leave us waiting forever.
HollysGmom said,in April 25th, 2010 at 6:24 am
have faith in Steve Brown. I want to believe him when he says he knows what happened in that trailer that night
When Brown appeared on tv the next day —
“Brown suggested any culpability on Misty Croslin Cummings’ part might result from her caretaking responsibility.”
This is supposed to be from the ‘eyewitness’ and Ron was not involved. It sounds to me like Brown is implying Misty wasn’t there.
And according to TC attorney he knows who did it but wasn’t involved. Who does that leave?
Just saying —
AH stating Crystal came out of LE office called a friend and said Joe killed my baby …
And;
Shoemaker said Cummings does not know Joe Overstreet well, but had suspected Overstreet since day one.
“He’s not surprised,” Shoemaker said, “and [Cummings] said if you go back and listen to the 911 tape he made a comment that night about “Cousin Joe.””
You have to take into account on the tape Ron is the one making the statement that it was Tommy that told him. Shoot I could tell you the Queen of England told me something and its hearsay. The thing is Ron knew about that boat ramp and had fished there too. He could be setting Tommy and Joe up by making false allegations. I wonder if Cobra went to ask Tommy about fishing at that dock to see if he got the same account as Rons??? jmo
CathyJo said,in April 25th, 2010 at 1:29 am CathyJo said,in April 25th, 2010 at 1:14 am Texasmommy39 said,in April 24th, 2010 at 3:31 pm I agree Ron had custody, but, Crystal had a choice to be involved or not. Crystal had a choice to go to work and hire an attorney and fight for her kids. Crystal admitted on camera she was not aware that the children where being abused, but, was taking picture in November and calling DCF. She went about things the wrong way and she let her children down as well.
Two parents providing and supporting the children leaves no room for mistakes.
I agree 100%
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Please don’t throw rotten eggs at me but if I found my daughter face down in a canal….I’d have slept on Ron’s front porch till I got custody back! jmo
************************************************Cathy I would never do such a thing. The thing about the near drowning incident at the canal is Crystal did not call 911 for help nor did she take HaLeigh to the Hospital to be checked out. No documentation to prove the event even happened. IMO The fact that HaLeigh was not taken to a DR. immediately to be checked out shows more irresponsibility.
Ron could have dialed the phone also but didnt. Lets be fair he is capable of making a call to 911 isnt he? At the time he was the one with a drivers license. So it shows Rons irresponsibility also. And TN was there at the time too. jmo
Makes you wonder if Ron, Crystal and TN were the only ones there at the time and there was documentation who brought it out to reporters?
It had to have come from Ron or Teresa because they were never questioned about it. Why not?
they were there and did nothing thats why and told the story so Crystal would look bad. jmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybLiwshayRo
Sorry tobias it was not Ron and Teresa saying it to make Crystal look bad it was Marie trying to make Ron look bad.
Tobias after listening to Marie would you not think HaLeigh needed medical attention? A 2 year old near drowning is serious. Not seeking medical attention is irresposibility and neglect. IMO it never happened. Someone would of called 911 IMO, a neighbor, friend or family.
If you looked better Marie doesnt bring it up the reporters asked her about it. How did they know about it if there was no documentation?
Why didnt the reporters get Rons statement about what happened? No one ever asked him about it why? And if you are going to blame Crystal you also have to blame Ron and TN THEY DID NOTHING EITHER. JMO
And if you listened to the tape Marie says it was brought up in the custody case and it was by Ron blaming it on Crystal. And I think thats where it came from again. But like I say you can believe anything you like it is your own opinion. jmo
tobias I am not blaming either. I am saying it never happened. Big diference.
By the way that is just one example of Marie retelling the lie. I can find more…. I have seen them all.
thank you again for allowing me my opinion, and to share the facts.
I need to corrrect the misconception that Ron made those claims, based on the court documents it was Crystal and Marie that made those claims.
Please read the court documents and the appeal from Crystal, it is where you will discover the truth and you do not have to take anyones word on it.
I hope you are having a great day.
With everything that has gone on recently with the boat ramp and Tommy taking LE to the ramp and the LE saying the case is a HOMICIDE. I cant see the Sheffields involvement yet others still pound away at them why? Is it because its the only theory where she could be alive or is that some just want the Sheffields to be guilty? This is just my opinion and you are entitled to yours but I cant understand it at all. jmo bbl
I also want to add that placing the blame is not going to find HaLeigh and is not my intent. IMO after 14 months the facts should be clear and they are not because of personal agendas and the fact that many believe what the hear with no facts or confirmation to back it up. You and I are insignificant and IMO all the bloggers have drswn the line in the dirt just as Marie wanted. IMO The continuation of the taking of sides is why HaLeigh has not been found.
Even the POI field and we might just find some answers instead of chasing our tails.
Opinion,
Regarding your post at 11:56 pm last night.
There are many schools online that are accredited and recognized by the states that they are operating in. The classes are no less stringent than if the student attended them in a classroom setting.
I am even talking about elementary, middle school and high school classes.
OT: I know of a student who was being held back in regular public school system. The student’s Parent then put the student into an accredited online school. After being tested and attending the required classes at the online accredited and school it ends up the student graduated earlier than the rest of the students peers.
I also looked at the extensive background of Mark McClish and he imvho seems to have great knowledge, experience and expertise on the subject matter.
One other thing to note,
I did see a link at Mr. Mark McClish’s website where people can send Mark McClish himself a statement to be analyzed.
…Just thought I’d mention that to see what everyone’s thoughts are…
Law enforcement even takes the on line approach to learning Statement analysis. With this economy it is more cost effective for them than to travel to the seminars or Colleges that teach it. Every one of the colleges my son and his friends
go to use some form of online schooling with on campus classes.jmo
One accredited online school that I just googled is called Connections Academy. Apparently they are functionally operating in and are accredited by multiple states.
No fee to attend too so obviously they are funded by the states that they are operating out of.
They take the on line classes but the testing is done on campus under the same testing procedures always used.This approach is also for people who want to advance in their careers while they are on the job and dont have time for classes somewhere else everyday. The nursing classes even have some to take on line.jmo
I am sure Peter H. will tell us this is a investigative tool and its not a magic ball to the truth. I wished everyone would just see it as that and listen to the program and form their own opinion instead of trying to discredit something they havent even heard yet.
Go in with an open mind and maybe you will learn something. I have read on it a little and find it interesting. The human mind and how it works is very interesting.jmo
I agree 100% with your post Tobias.
I look forward to hearing what Peter Hyatt has to share with us today.
jmo too.
I just hope there is enough time for everyone to tell whats going on. I feel Armando could have told more about his view from the dock if there had been time last Sunday. He saw Misty when police had her on the dock. I also wanted to ask if the residents had any knowledge on the trio fishing there in the past.jmo
Excellent question Tobias. Are you going to try to call in?
I cant my phone has the blocked feature and I cant call to anyone with caller ID. Its a long story but my phone has to stay unidentified, a feature I pay for and cherish. I will try to go on the chat and ask questions though. jmo
Another question I have is for Cobra. I wonder if he talked to Tommy about the story Ron said on that tape. If he ever even saw the movie Lake Placid or was that all Ron? jmo
I hope everyone has a good phone connection today last week it was awful.
Well I’ll be back after the how, got to go do some yard work until then, damned weeds.lol
tobias said,in April 25th, 2010 at 11:09 am With everything that has gone on recently with the boat ramp and Tommy taking LE to the ramp and the LE saying the case is a HOMICIDE. I cant see the Sheffields involvement yet others still pound away at them why? Is it because its the only theory where she could be alive or is that some just want the Sheffields to be guilty? This is just my opinion and you are entitled to yours but I cant understand it at all. jmo bbl
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tobias, I will explain why I have continued pounding as you say at the theory the Sheffields are behind this abduction.
First, let me say the recent events have indeed allowed this investigation to move forward and past the key and will allow other P’sOI to be looked at now,IMO.
To speculate at this moment on MC and TC’s involvement and or guilt is justified, but, if you take a step back and think about it…we are at the beginning again.
Misty has been semi truthful and Tommy knew something (placed himself at the trailer) but was not involved and the Croslins have been suggesting Joe from the very beginning and Shell Harbour dock as a potential place of interest. I do not know about you, but, this stinks and I have to make it logical for me to make sense of PCSO Investigation at this point.
IMO…. Misty was not home, she has been protecting herself. Tommy knew Misty was not home and even alluded to it during his previous stay at the PC jail, he was protecting his sister.
The fact that neither are involved and are the only two that knew aside from the abductor is key in this investigation, IMO.
Now we can look at Joe, but, feel that 14 months has given LE enough to rule him out or name him as a suspect and since that has not happened…. I again have to make sense of PCSO investigation, and have taken another step back and am looking at every thing that has been said and done and recorded since 04/12/10.
It is my opinion that a resident on Shell Harbour recently called in a tip and with Tommy and Misty’s confession and persistent mention of Shell Hrbour it only made sense to search. They did not find HaLeigh there and unknown items of interest means that LE is still not got what they needed to collaborate Joe did it. They reinterviewed him and have came back and said people are talking and P’sOI are being looked at.
Who else is there?
I then noted all the players attorneys and that they have stepped out, as well as Crystal’s Private Investigator and made press releases and or public statements.
Tommy Croslin’s attorney= James . Werter, LLC
Misty Croslin’s attorney= Robert Feilds
Ronald Cumming’s attorney= Terry Shoemaker
Joe Overstreet’s attorney= Shawn Sirgo
Crystal Sheffield’s attorney= Carol A. Caldwell
In reading each of these attorneys statements and press releases I find one particular persons representation perplexing, I am not looking before it, promise, it is a red flag and I can not ignore it.
Crystal has a legitimate right to have representation and to hire a PI, but, IMO the fact that Major Bowling has expressed his opinion (“It doesn’t advance our investigation any,” Major Gary Bowling said. “Whoever did it must have had a “personal agenda.”) about the previous search efforts of Marty and Connie Sheffield’s done in San Mateo and the fact that Cobra tried to turn in items found to PCSO as evidence and that they where refused, does give me pause as to this new PI’s involvement and the Crystal Sheffield agenda at this time. Add in the fact that Tommy met with his attorney and Steven K. Brown before meeting with LE gives me pause, and has me asking what are Tommy’s attorney credentials are(I checked… I would hire him) and his agenda.
I have taken a look at each of their statements in regards to their clients and again find Crystals attorneys statement or need of a statement odd. I know its just me, right, LOL only I have A hinky meter for Crystal.
I ask Why would Crystal and family need to cooperate with LE if Joe did it? Why would this Mother become silent after a river was searched and the case called a Homicide?
Homicide…. hmmmmmm…. don’t they usually have a body…and are the ones that need to find out who and why?
A Sheffield is needing to tell the truth.
I am sure this post is more than enough to explain my opinion and pounding if not, then…..until an arrest is made and charges filed I will not ignor the facts as I see them and that is HaLeigh has still not been found.
BBL need to do some yard work.
CathyJo said,
in April 25th, 2010 at 1:19 am
But she was never told these things,lol
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Hi CathyJo,
Crystal knew she had legal rights to the children. Crystal had an attorney of record for many years, Charles Behm, Esquire. After Ronald was granted custody, Crystal obtained counsel and he is the one that filed the “Motion for Rehearing and Objection to Findings of Magistrate” in January of 2006. Ron and Crystal have always have joint legal custody, which allows both parents to have equal rights to children (as described in posts above). Crystal’s attorney would have told Crystal what she was entitled to under the law over the years he represented her, IMO.
FYI: Looking at the docket, Attorney Behm was still representing Crystal as late as February 2007.
Praying for HaLeigh & for all of HaLeigh’s loved ones. I cannot imagine the hell they are living through each and every day not knowing where their precious baby is, and hearing all these awful, awful stories. 🙁
I re-watched all Misty’s camera interviews again on YouTube. It’s been a while and I wanted a refresher before the call today. A few things that I noticed this time was that in several different interviews Misty says the only people over to the MH after RC went to work was her brother and his kids and the AC guy. But we all know that Grandma Sykes came over while Misty and the Kids were having dinner to drop off the laundry. Wierd that in serveral different interviews Misty would not mention this. It seems insignificant that she would leave this out.
Also – it seems from very early on that the Croslins suspected Joe (Chelsea’s interview about the van, Lindsey and Lisa’s interview, Misty’s voice stress test) and the Greta interview is so odd. Ron’s facial expressions when Misty talks are unbelievable. I still don’t think they were related to them trying to get the story straight – I really believe that Ron knew very early on that Misty knows more then she is saying and that is why he stayed close to her (Cobra interview with Ron). Anyway – here are some links to most of Misty’s camera interviews. If you watch them all one after the other – Misty’s inconsistencies and the suspictions of Joe become very clear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl4PUY6o_E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMk536XfEG0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNe0zHiLtgo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvswuH4abSo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4oMFrM9tNA&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU5iym3NvLI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8HdUiarQEU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YASQTK-ICWk&feature=related
forot the one with Chelsea about the van:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc61AO1APc4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4KvgPF8cak&feature=related
tobias said,
in April 25th, 2010 at 11:09 am
With everything that has gone on recently with the boat ramp and Tommy taking LE to the ramp and the LE saying the case is a HOMICIDE. I cant see the Sheffields involvement yet others still pound away at them why? Is it because its the only theory where she could be alive or is that some just want the Sheffields to be guilty? This is just my opinion and you are entitled to yours but I cant understand it at all. jmo bbl
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Kind of like what everyone does to the Cummings though LE has said they were satisfied Ron was at work and neither he not Crystal are suspects but 14 months later we still have Ron had to know..Teresa is covering..Ron did before he left..Ron flew home with his magic cape and did it and flew back to work with no one missing their crane operator..Ron crawled through a hole in the fence and drove 1000 MPH to get home and do it and get back to work during his half hour lunch..All just as ridiculous, eh?
Jason said,
in April 24th, 2010 at 12:22 am
Yes, Holly – I’ve listened to some of the reverse speech on Shawn’s site. Problem is, what he hears on the reversals, is usually not what I hear.
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That’s because it’s subjective and so is this statement analysis stuff. Even the man who thought it up says it’s subjective..
Crystal has just been told this is now a homicide investigation. No doubt she is mourning. She doesn’t have to step up to the mike and tell us anything or act in any certain way. Everyone handles grief differently.
Maybe take that into consideration, texasmommy.
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“kitty kat said,in April 25th, 2010 at 12:35 pm I re-watched all Misty’s camera interviews again on YouTube. It’s been a while and I wanted a refresher before the call today. A few things that I noticed this time was that in several different interviews Misty says the only people over to the MH after RC went to work was her brother and his kids and the AC guy. But we all know that Grandma Sykes came over while Misty and the Kids were having dinner to drop off the laundry. Wierd that in serveral different interviews Misty would not mention this. It seems insignificant that she would leave this out.”
kitty kat, I am just trying to understand your last sentence. How do you arrive at the opinion that Misty’s leaving out the fact that Annette Sykes had allegedly stopped by the mobile home that night seems insignificant?
Especially when it involves her alibi.
According to Misty’s statements, Annette Sykes would also apparently have been the very last person to have been able to serve as an eye witness that Haleigh, Misty and Jr. were all at the mobile home that night and at that specific time.
does the AC guy have an alibi?
AND allegedly there was another person who drove to the mobile home with Annette Sykes that night who would most likely have been able to see the Children sitting on the proch eating dinner as Misty alleges.
So possibly two (2) eye witness statements could have placed all of them at the mobile home at that time on that night.
I’m not even listening to the statement analysis stuff. It’s a side show and I stay away from side shows.
They distract even if the intention is well.
I disagree Random Thoughts.
Statements that are given and used as testimony in court are usually in part what is used to either convict or aquit persons who are on trial.
It is an element that seems quite necessary imvho.
The timeline law enforcement uses starts at 8 so they seem satisfied. Until all documents are made public, no one knows what anyone told LE, only what was said in interviews on TV.
Were the reasons why AS came forward more recently with her true opinions of Misty due to the fact that she intended not only to seperate herself/themselves (meaning the Cummings family entirely) from Misty and also possibly to cement the statements that she had given in regards to being at the mh that night at that time to drop off the Children’s laundry also?
Tuff Stuff – I didn’t really mean it was insignificant (wrong word). I guess I am trying to understand WHY Misty would not mention Sykes coming over while they were having dinner to drop off laundry. There is no reason not to believe Ms. Sykes and she stated this clearly in several interviews. She seems credible to me. WHY would Misty not mention this as it seems that it only helps cooberate her alibi and that everything was fine that night at the MH before she put the kids to bed and that she was there. Why would Misty leave this out of every interview and only mentions her brother and the AC guy? Listen to Misty’s interviews of her account of the timeline that night. She says she made the kids dinner they were eating it on the porch. Ms Sykes said she dropped the clothes off while they were eating dinner on the porch. Why would Misty leave out this eye witness when it seems it can only help her? Just wierd to me.
i disagree with you kitty kat, imvho there is reason to question AS’s statements about being at the MH that night and for me it’s clearly because Misty herself neglected to mention these potentially credible witnesses herself.
Yes – I agree with you Tuff Stuff. There is no reason to question AS. My question is WHY would Misty leave out this seemly important detail to cooberate her timeline and story that everythink was normal at the trailer. AS only helps Misty’s alibi. She said on NG the other night that everything was normal when she went by to drop off the clothes and Misty did not seem messed up.
The only explination I can come up with is that Misty just forget this detail which leads me to belive that Misty has a problem with short term memory combined with being a pathalogical lier. This would surely cause alot of problems with LE trying to desipher the truth and cause a lot of problems for people trying to do a statement analysis of someone who is hiding something combined with being a pathalogical lier, having short term memory loss problems, being messed up on drugs AND having bad language grammer and education.
That seems speculative imo. Misty seemed to recall enough “other” key information minus that GGMa Sykes and another person had stopped by that night.
Is there any other credible documented information available that states that Misty has short term memory problems prior to this incident?
Do we have any available links to Misty including that Annette Sykes had stopped by that night?
I would think that after being reminded of such an event that it would most likely have aided with her “alleged” short term memory recall.
I did not find any links of Misty saying that AS came over that night. Every single interview she gives that I have found she says the only people that came over after RC went to work were the AC guy and Tommy and his kids. Maybe Misty just forgot this detail. As I said originally – probably insignificant. Just seems wierd.
Also – Tuff Stuff, if Misty simply forgot this detail then the only explination is “short term memory recall”. Frankly I have STMR problems. It’s not uncommon and doesn’t make you a criminal or lier. I’m just saying that if Misty does have this problem that it could be a contibuting factor as to why her stories seem to change and/or she leaves things out and then they pop back up. Doing drugs adds to memory problems as well. No exuses for Misty though.
Jr. is a witness. The passenger of GGMS was Ron’s aunt. Enjoy the show.
Lori said,in April 24th, 2010 at 8:51 pm “…Crystal Sheffield, who was obviously terrorized with fear of Ronald Cummings”
An example of our expert’s work in his current article. That is flat out laughable it’s so far from the truth. And yes, I know so for a fact. Whether anyone believes me or not. Just ask Crystal now how she feels. She’s not a bit scared of him and never was. She was played like a fiddle by Kim and by others before Kim arrived.
I would not be surprised in the least if they get back together assuming Ron doesn’t serve a long sentence. I know I’m not alone in my thinking that
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Who’s arse would that chap?
Marie’s and Johnny’s?
I wonder if Crystal has figured it all out yet?
I’m convinced more than ever after listening to Cobra that Ron was involved somehow. I never thought that before. Chilling thought!
Appleamy said,in April 25th, 2010 at 6:57 pm I’m convinced more than ever after listening to Cobra that Ron was involved somehow. I never thought that before. Chilling thought!
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Me too, not that I haven’t always thought that and I’d love to hear the tape Cobra has about Misty calling Ron on the cell and telling him “they are on to US”. So many red flags that have never been cleared up and LE has never moved on past this inner circle of RC, MS, TC etc. Thank God, hopefully Justice will prevail for HaLeigh and so grateful Jr is out of that cess pool of violence, drugs, prostitution and possible sexual molestation.
Best show to date!!!! Peter, I hope you are a returning panel member from now on. I gave a glowing review of this show on the Wrap-up page but just wanted to post here as well. You guys heard it, Cobra says Ronald wasn’t referring to murder/suicide….ok….that’s his take on it…I’m on my way over to Peter’s site to post the same question to him. Using the exact words Ron said and using statement analysis, what his take is. Just curious.
You also hear the possibility of sexual abuse/molestation when Misty talks about “washing, cleaning, covering, peeing,”
It was a factor, whether just that particular night or longer. It’s phsycology. She couldn’t help but reveal it.
You will also hear how Misty told Ron over the phone that night Cobra & he were at MeeMaw’s, that Misty told Ronald “He’s on to US…get away from him or I’m leaving. I’ll go back to Tennesse, I’ll got to Mich…get the h#ll away from him.”
Oh so she was willing to move to live next door to her rapist & Haleigh’s murderer? The man who threatened her life with a knife? Who threatened every member of her family? WOW! She really was afraid for her life, wasn’t she??? (EXTREMELY SARCASTIC)
Many, many will be in ire over this show but thank GOD someone is willing to be honest about what is really going on. Kudos BNN panelists!!! Keep up the good work!
Me too, not that I haven’t always thought that and I’d love to hear the tape Cobra has about Misty calling Ron on the cell and telling him “they are on to US”. So many red flags that have never been cleared up and LE has never moved on past this inner circle of RC, MS, TC etc. Thank God, hopefully Justice will prevail for HaLeigh and so grateful Jr is out of that cess pool of violence, drugs, prostitution and possible sexual molestation
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For a tough, seasoned professional like Cobra to say that he had never seen so many drug addicts in his life was so frightening to hear as I’m sure he has seen many a seedy person before. It’s so frustrating that such ignorant people have been able to outwit the law thus far. I’m glad Jr. is safe now . . . or at least I hope he is.
Hollys Gmom said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:24 pm Best show to date!!!! Peter, I hope you are a returning panel member from now on. I gave a glowing review of this show on the Wrap-up page but just wanted to post here as well. You guys heard it, Cobra says Ronald wasn’t referring to murder/suicide….ok….that’s his take on it…I’m on my way over to Peter’s site to post the same question to him. Using the exact words Ron said and using statement analysis, what his take is. Just curious.
You also hear the possibility of sexual abuse/molestation when Misty talks about “washing, cleaning, covering, peeing,”
It was a factor, whether just that particular night or longer. It’s phsycology. She couldn’t help but reveal it.
You will also hear how Misty told Ron over the phone that night Cobra & he were at MeeMaw’s, that Misty told Ronald “He’s on to US…get away from him or I’m leaving. I’ll go back to Tennesse, I’ll got to Mich…get the h#ll away from him.”
Oh so she was willing to move to live next door to her rapist & Haleigh’s murderer? The man who threatened her life with a knife? Who threatened every member of her family? WOW! She really was afraid for her life, wasn’t she??? (EXTREMELY SARCASTIC)
Many, many will be in ire over this show but thank GOD someone is willing to be honest about what is really going on. Kudos BNN panelists!!! Keep up the good work!
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Can you or anyone tell me where his site is? I do remember back in the very beginning, a poster at SM posted all about statement analysis and red flags in 911 calls, it’s very in depth and is exactly in line with what Peter Hyatt talked about tonight. I’d love to find out more about his site.
Thanks in advance
Tuff Stuff, I put my grandaughter in homeschool (online classes) after her parents almost ruined her life at 14 while they were doing drugs. The high school she attended suggested I do this because she was so far behind her class. She graduated before she was 17 and was in her 1st year of college at 17 yrs. old She now has 1 year of college left for a bachlors. I was so afraid she wouldn’t graduate high school but she flourished in homeschool. I hate that she was deprived of all the perks of her senior year. But with all the drama she lived in if she stayed with her parents she may not have even have graduated from high school. Yes online classes work!
We Know Tommy had the yellow rope, found in his trailer. Why in the world would Tommy cover for Joe- does not make since. I feel that Tommy covered for Misty. Maybe Ron Knows Hard to tell But Misty Killed her I believe. by accident.
also, on Art Harris page on april 20th they found the rope in Tommys trailer- Lindsay Filed Divorce shortly after on the 28th. what does that tell you? why wont Tommy talk about Timmy?
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