I tell all of our writers here at BNN that articles must be at least 200 words in length. Anything less than that and they face the wrath of Simon. But, I could just describe todays program in one word WOW.
I am not sure where to start with a text wrap up.
My guests were a line up that would make many TV cable news stations green with envy.
I was delighted that my two good friends William Cobra Staubs and TJ Hart decided to come out of retirement. Do me a favor and please do check out TJ’s site The Sky 97.3. And if you need the best PI in the business drop Cobra a line at caseclosed@bellsouth.net
On Friday Casey Anthony’s defence team filed a motion to get Judge Strickland removed from the case, their motivation being a ‘suspected’ connection to a Blogger! Dave Knechel was the blogger and he came on air and told his side of the story. Both TJ and I were both stunned by what he had to say. As journalists you talk to many, many people. It is part of the job. Baez is contending that Knechel and Strickland are friends, therefore Strickland should be removed. He was pro prosecution, ergo Strickland was pro prosecution. This is not the first ridiculous claim we have from Baez and his merry band of pixies, and I am sure it will not be the last!
Dave Knechel decided to come on the program and explain his side of the story. He is not a media hound, in fact he is anything but. He is neither Pro nor Anti in the case. That can be seen by checking out his web site. Of course Baez is reaching for straws at this stage, being named in a motion is becoming a right of passage if you are reporting on the Caylee Anthony case. BNN got an honorable mention in his attempt to get the court venue changed. But short of moving the trial to Outer Mongolia I don’t think he can find a place where the folks are not aware of the case.
The Haleigh Cummings case has reached a level of criticality. What appears on the TV, in print or on radio often is not the whole story. There are facts that become known to the press, and we are asked not to share them. Most of us do try to comply. This week was a zoo.
To help me sort it out was Armando Aldazabal who was our eyes, ears, and feet at the search site. His descriptions of what he saw sound more like a 50’s political protest than a search. At least one Fox affiliate reporter was cuffed and led away!
Also joining us was Jaemie Levine the Founder and President of Mothers Against Predators and The Crime Doctor himself, Denny Griffin.
With a team like this how can you go wrong?
I’ll just go back to my WOW comment, you can listen to the whole program here.
Simon and Jan Barrett
394 users commented in " Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony – Radio Wrap-Up For Apr 18 "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackback” Haleigh Cummings could be dead”–YOU THINK?????
“Misty and maybe cousin Joe and Tommy could have played a hand” YOU THINK???????
Keystone cops in action.
And not one word on the Caylee Anthony case. Just a infamous world blogger taking on the Judge Strickland. He has nothing to offer! What a waste of listening!
Simon always tells us what the intended topics are for his radio show and forewarns us that he cannot always guarantee the appearance of certain of his planned guests. His live show is just that: live. Conversations ebb and flow. I applaud his efforts.
I find it quite rude of certain of his listeners to deem his show a waste of their time…you knew what the topics were beforehand and he didn’t force you to listen. Do you tell the host of a dinner party that he wasted your time because you didn’t like the menu? I think not. Next time Simon’s show is on, just go fly a kite! The windtunnel heard on today’s show awaits you!
So sad! MD is a waste of blog space. Another wanna-be who wishes to join the Merry Band of Thieves.
I don’t think howsad was being rude to Simon at all. I think he or she was expressing a dislike for MarinadeDave and I couldn’t AGREE more.
Simon, please don’t have him on your show anymore. He was a total bore and if he mentioned one more time how he “doesn’t want fame or attention” I was gonna scream.
Besides that, great show!
I have no problem with Simon at all. I have enjoyed Simon and Jan for almost two years now. Most excellent forum for Caylee and Haleigh.
The only wind tunnel I heard today was MD.
Simon: I would like to make a suggeston regarding the questions that come in via phone lines and bloggers.
Maybe have a place on the bloggernews where questions can be asked prior to the Sunday show. This way you can choose and also your guests would have an opportunity to answer what is the highlight of the case.
Many questions appear on the chat site but those callers do not always get to phone.
yes Squirell this is a nice place to learn about both little girls caylee and haleigh i did this once and it was wrong i wanted to put one above the other..but i rethought my stance and came to the opinion that both are just as important as the other..even though i follow caylee more it doesn’t mean my heart isn’t in it for haleigh either…through these 2 and my nieece i have grown to love little children so much and to realize what AWESOME!!! and innocent gifts they are!!
GODBLES HALEIGH AND CAYLEE BOTH!!
always thanks you simon and Jan
It was also good to hear from TJ and Cobra.
The language expert was fascinating for sure. I would love to hear more on the subject.
I heard Cobra saying that he was attempting to enlist the help from similar experts back when he was on the case but to no avail. I hope the gentlemen from Maine can listen to the tapes that Cobra has to see what he can gleem from them. Also curious what he thinks about all of the conversations in the released jail house tapes etc… Interesting indeed!
Good show Simon, great to have TJ back. The caller from Maine was very interesting too, hope you’re able to have him back.
thanks simon..any chance of extending the show to 2 1/2 or 3 hours? With one hour devoted to calls only? thanks
God be with both families we know where these 2angles are
I rather enjoyed the radio show…kudos to Simon for all his hard work. If you don’t like Simon’s show, spare the rest of us and just leave. No one forced you to stay and listen.
Some people can never be pleased, no matter what. The constant griping in text at the radio show and still griping on the blog.
I believe Simon said the show would be about CA and HC…or am I mistaking? Because I could be wrong. If you are so miserable listening to Simon’s show, then quit your whining, pull up your big boy/girl underwear and start your won blog and radio so y-o-u can control everything!
I have never seen such childish, nasty comments in all my life as I did tonight. Karma is a biatch and I hope one day, all those hurling the insults, will be humuliated 10-fold. Where is your sense of basic human decency? I have seen, time and time again, when some call the innocent characters in these real-life dramas “trash” or “scum” but to me, I witnessed more tonight than in the last 2.5 years.
Two beautiful babies have lost their lives and that is what all of this is about. Quit your petty, selfish (dare I say-narcissistic?)attempts to control the airwaves (“make this man shut up” = “this isin’t what I want to hear so change it to that cause its all about me, me, me. forget the other 250 listerners).
I’m done.
I just had to come out of my long-time lurking @ BNN and give my applause to the host and all the guests. Your time, hard work, and decication is much appreciated. Even if I am banned for my mouthy-ness, I will STILL continue to listen to the show and sing this blogs praises–along with all those who reply to posts. It is some of the most entertaining, thought-provoking conversations that I have come across. Kudos to all.
Chill.
that guy dave did hijack the show a little bit considering how many panelists there were..
I would have rather heard more of TJ but dave jumped in when tj was talking. Very rude imho
I am still not completely convinced that Haleigh is dead. I know that some of you will not agree with me, but this is just a theory.
Denise, share your theory, please!
Thanks Simon and Jan it was a good show having TJ and Cobra on. Marinade Dave was not a great panel member but he does have a good blog. Not enough from Armando this time,,I like him. Alot of people are losing their patience because they want answers and feel they aren’t getting enough. Tempers are flaring once again,,I will always read this blog and listen to your radio shows. Thanks for Denny he is the best!
Wow. Today’s show was quiet th program. Thnks to Dave I guess it’s his name, we pretty much wasted our day. So much more could of been covered but he just wouldn’t shut up. Whatever!!!! Cool Quote: “Life is a dream for the wise, a game for the fool, a comedy for the rich, a tragedy for the poor.” Sholom Aleichem
I just sat bak and listened. Thnks to everyone who has supported me. I have a some autographed books to give away. If u want one leave an address an name @ http://www.mando4jaime@gmail.com and I will ship a copy th next day. If u don’t please don’t send an email.
Sry…not trying to advertise…just know some ppl from here were looking for it.
RIP Haleigh and thnk you for th lessons u have installed in me heart. Justice will b yours !!!!
Hello…cruel…world;)
Awesome show, good job guys!
kathymac said,
in April 18th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
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I agree with you, awesome SHOW!
I loved it.
I to would like a show show with just The Real Armando, I could listen to him all day…..
The caller from Maine was very interesting too, hope you’re able to have him back.
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what was his NAME ??
HELP
BB12, his name is Peter Hyatt.
I don’t know what show the people that didn’t like Dave
were listening to, but his section of the show was
just fine. He was brought on for a reason and spoke
to that issue, chatted a bit with Simon and then hung up
(which he was not asked to do). It is evident that MD has
some serial “haters” out there and show their
ignorance in how they speak. I dont know MD & have
only been to his site once, but I’m glad he was on to share
his of the story.
1st time listener, liked the info discussed, but the quality
of guests connections made it difficult to stick with the
whole show. Just a bit of helpful advice, have the guests ‘mute’
their phone until they talk, way too much background
noise. Other than that, cant wait for next show.
GramaMonkey said,
in April 18th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Simon: I would like to make a suggeston regarding the questions that come in via phone lines and bloggers.
Maybe have a place on the bloggernews where questions can be asked prior to the Sunday show. This way you can choose and also your guests would have an opportunity to answer what is the highlight of the case.
Many questions appear on the chat site but those callers do not always get to phone.
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Great suggestion!!!!!!!!
Thanks to Dave ‘you guess’ you wasted your day, Armando? Are you serious, or joking?
Dave did great IMO; spoke clear, easy to understand, joked a little, and politely bowed out in a reasonable, and very sensible manner.
The conversation with him was very interesting, and it seemed the panelists enjoyed having him on – they were light-hearted and chuckling with him.
He and Cobra have loud voices, and Dave’s especially carries very well.
Armando, I hope you don’t resent one of today’s guest panelist because he was given the opportunity to talk more than you.
Your day was wasted because of Dave? You blame Dave for wasting your day?
Armando, please tell me you’re joking.
“Thanks to Dave I guess it’s his name”, OMG. Armando, I am laughing because your attitude is so game-ish, and child-like. I can’t believe it. You’ve authored a book but ‘guess’ a co-panelist with you on the show today is named Dave?
I’m waiting for facts as to what transpired and then I’m going to ask questions and I hope Simon you will ask them as well. How many times has Misty been attacked over suggesting Tommy may have something to do with it? To many to count that is how many times. Who has done it? Everyone including her own Mother on a public level and then sided with Tommy. The Le well don’t get me started on them and the whole recollection of Tommy’s at the 7 month mark. They couldn’t run fast enough to scream it across head lines all about Misty while they let their pet out. Why was he not asked then to take a lie detector? Better yet why not the very day Haleigh went missing. I bet there would of been some evidence in the water at the one day mark. It’s the lie detector that got Tommy. Just prior to it he is heard speaking with his wife stating he passed a voice analysis and will pass a lie detector. He never told Steve Brown anything at that point and had he had a tester that swayed the questions and interpretation his way he never would of. The one where the credit belongs is the one who is silent not giving interviews to say he solved it. JMHO
Perhaps Misty was simply over powered by one or two people. Following that she did not want to tell Ronald because she was in love with him and feared that would end it. What did LE do when they heard of the abuse by Joe? What did LE do when they received the letter telling the same story and called it BS to Art Harris. Then Tommy tells it and suddenly it’s all great. I don’t share the same empathy for the LE there. They complain about media but play it like violin at every story that fits their agenda. Then they have a swarming party on a dock with an over aggressive border line almost losing it hand waving loon and they wonder what the trust and respect issue is. All that after they take Tommy in secrecy to the dock away from the helicopters but parade Misty out there and act so disrespectful to people that they make people witness a borderline abuse scene, and don’t care they did.
Simon I have no use for them and I never will have it.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Even though the audio was not great, that was the best show yet. Could have used a few fewer minutes of Dave, but I survived. He seems an OK guy, but I was a bit impatient this time around and wanting to get to the Haleigh news.
Again, best show ever!
I still want to know the name of the person that Simon thinks will shock us when they are arrested in this case.
I would have liked a lot less Dave and a lot more of the new information on the Haleigh Case discussed.
Dave chose to insert himself in something that he should have stayed out of if someone were to ask me. It could cause major problems with a case that is already problem ridden and is costing the taxpayers of Florida millions. If they have to get a new judge the price tag just doubles.
But this is all just my opinion.
Well, for what it’s worth (which is zip, I know)I agree with you, Native Alien. If Judge Strickland recuses himself the defense will be able to resubmit a bunch of their stupid motions I believe. Almost like starting all over again. My gosh! Makes me sick.
I can’t believe what I read on CNN…Haleigh was tied to a rope and on the other end of that rope was a cinder block. I hope she was already in heaven when they did that. WHY? What could a 5 year old done that was so terrible? Did they sexually assault her? Did she die before hand from drugs laying around? Was she accidently shot?
If you are going to throw a statement that you think Haleigh is still alive, (Denise) you should go ahead and state your theory or not bother convuluting the waters of truth as we all know it.
I didn’t listen to the show. Anyone want to sum up for me???
Also someone stated they had a theory that Haleigh was still alive….please share that theory.
Any hope at this point would be awesome.
However, I do believe she is gone. Misty or Joe killed her.
And yes, I also beleive that LE knows the exact story.
CLIFF NOTES
Analyzing the 911 calls order of importance.
1. I was sleeping
2. Door was open
3. Child missing.
Do you think if your child was missing that it would be the THIRD thing you say to the police?
A child of 4 years of age knows pronouns and can use verb tenses. Misty used a verb tense about HaLiegh.
“I loveD that little girl like she was my own.”
Misty spoke of HaLiegh in the past tense because she knew she was dead.
You may learn this by tomorrow, or within a few weeks, when murder charges are brought against her.
She knew HaLiegh was dead when she dialed 911.
Transcipt 911 call
http://www.zimbio.com/Misty+Croslin/…911+Transcript
Misty’s call was rehearsed. FIRST Misty did not call 911 until Ron made her. TWO – Misty did not scream my baby was stolen – missing-gone-abducted-lost. THREE- Misty wants us to know she was sleeping, the door was propped open, child missing, our daughter, and Misty had only known HaLeigh 3 months. Call was a rehearsed persuasive set up call. The purpose of Misty’s call should have been a MISSING 5 yr old child. Not an alibi of “I was sleeping.” I loveD that little girl. Listen to ALL the people’s words in the beginning of a crime. Listen to the choices of words. Example: Cindy said: “George and I do not believe Caylee is in the woods.” After KC made a statement. “Caylee loved the park.” 5 months later Caylee was found in the woods.
Jason said,
in April 19th, 2010 at 1:45 am
Thanks to Dave ‘you guess’ you wasted your day, Armando? Are you serious, or joking?
Dave did great IMO; spoke clear, easy to understand, joked a little, and politely bowed out in a reasonable, and very sensible manner.
The conversation with him was very interesting, and it seemed the panelists enjoyed having him on – they were light-hearted and chuckling with him.
He and Cobra have loud voices, and Dave’s especially carries very well.
Armando, I hope you don’t resent one of today’s guest panelist because he was given the opportunity to talk more than you.
Your day was wasted because of Dave? You blame Dave for wasting your day?
Armando, please tell me you’re jokin
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I AGREE
Dave was great, interesting, and was what the listeners I assumed wanted to hear since Dave was the focal point of the entire weekend.
I personally thought the show was awesome flowed WELL and should have lasted 3-4 hours…..
LEFT ME wanting MORE
Thank you SIMON and JAN
PS yes I wanted to hear the book author but I would have wanted him for an entire hour all by himself he is that interesting……hope he comes back………
Native Alien said,in April 19th, 2010 at 4:08 am
I still want to know the name of the person that Simon thinks will shock us when they are arrested in this case.
I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hank or Lisa possibly? Dock near their home. Known for getting in trouble otherwise. All very active in getting Misty out there.
This just came up on my FaceBook:
Nancy Grace Breaking News: Haleigh’s dad Ron Cummings was reportedly told to start making funeral arrangements for his missing daughter as police announce the little girl is likely dead, according to his attorney!
Hi, MomofaMarine! Thank you. I had read that and have been thinking about it since. Doesn’t it strike you as awfully odd (and presumptuous) for the cops to be telling parents when it’s time to make funeral arrangements?
I’m still waiting to find out – for sure – what happened to little Haleigh and who did it.
All I’ve seen so far is more fingerpointing.
But maybe LE did get some actual evidence from the river that we don’t know about yet.
I mean it’s one thing for LE to decide to call it a homicide and quite another for LE to tell a parent it’s time to make funeral arrangements. I think the parents should decide that – preferably after a credible confession or solid proof or a trial and conviction or something! IMO
I would think they would have said Memorial instead of funeral. But what do I know?
m2c♥ April 19th, 2010 at 9:58 am
I agree, however, IMO (for what it is worth)LE knows exactly what happened and she is sadly gone.
I want to know what the SURPRISE is!! This is better than a good mystery book, only we lost Haleigh for real. That saddens me.
I also want to know if Ron knew anything after the fact.
Hi, MomofaMarine – Well, to me, so far, there is no body. Maybe there never will be but right now all that’s happened that I know of is that some people are telling stories and pointing fingers but there is no proof. Now all of a sudden we’re supposed to believe this bunch of liars? Which one are we supposed to believe? I would not even consider a memorial or funeral until LE had a lot more to show me.
I guess it also strikes me as rushing things a bit.
Excellent show, great panel of guests!
I found MD very interesting. The only other familiar name for me was Cobra. He’s very spot on and humorous at the same time.
The gentleman from Maine, a statement analysis teacher was fascinating! I highly suggest you invite him on your show to share more of his knowledge. His analysis of Misty was perfect.
Another aspect that rings with me was the reference to the brick in the door. Such a mundane topic was repeated far too many times. I sincerely hope they can use forensics and find clues on the bricks found in the water to prosecute those guilty.
I have withheld judgements on any involved so far, waiting to see the outcome. The cast of characters are so colorful Disney himself could not have created them. Such a shame the truth has taken so long to be revealed.
I do pray for justice for this beautiful child.
Keep up the good work.
Hi, BOLDONE3 – My reaction is just from my perspective, of course, hearing it the way I did (the way we all did) – that “reportedly R was told to start making funeral arrangements for his missing daughter as police announce the little girl is likely dead.”
To me that’s pushy, rude and presumptuous. But maybe LE told R more before saying that. Maybe LE has proof we don’t know about. I sure hope they’ve got something more.
M2c Who is MD??
How did Cobra sound?? Good?? I like him.
Honey there is no body to be found. I am sorry to say it, but the alligators ate her. They are lucky if they have a bone or 2.
She is gone.
I don’t see any harm in telling the family to make funeral arrangements, after all, the case has been solved, and the family knows what happened.
We the public are waiting for the leak.
Deb
Hi, BOLDONE3 – Like all of us, I guess, I want to hear the solution! Then maybe I can work towards accepting the tragic ending, you know?
I suppose, too, that I hope for proof and a trial and convictions etc. From what we the public “know” (or rather don’t) it just seems like putting the cart before the horse.
“MD” is “Marinade Dave,” who has a blog and is embroiled in the mess surrounding the Monster Anthony’s defense team’s latest motion to force Judge Strickland to recuse himself.
Not sure where to tell you to look for more information. His own blog might only show one side of things. I don’t know. IMO it would have been more prudent (and mature) for MD to keep his mouth shut this past weekend. Also because he may be causing even more trouble by running it so much. JMO
Anyone gonna watch Oprah today? Very sensitive subject matter, may be worth watching… especially since Cobra said what he suspected! JMO… although I may not watch.
Thank you, cent. Can you record it and then if you feel up to trying to watch it later you can and then just shut it off or delete it if it’s too much. I don’t know what I’m going to do.
M2C, yeah I’ll have my sister do that. I have an appt at airing-time, anyways. Thought of catching it later via the NET! But, I do think that your suggestion will work better. Thanks!
Hey Jason. I guess thts ur name.
I don’t recent Dave. I personally think he babbeled his ass off.
As far as not letting me talk. I could
care less but he didn’t let TJ talk either.
I’m sorry if u r a big Dave fan. I’m not. And my opinion was he wouldn’t shut up.
And yes I did Author 2 books. Wht does tht have to do with th show.
Maybe u can repost my comment. But really get a grip!! I mean no wrong.
Dave: “….at least u told ur truth. Thnks”
Armando, Were you on the other dock when Misty was brought to the site? Just curious if you could see her facial expressions.
I would have thought if she was told Haleigh was dumped there and didnt know it she would show more signs than just standing there. jmo
Anyone remember the exact tape Lindsy throws Tommy’s boots out? Thanks
BOLDONE3 said,in April 19th, 2010 at 10:25 am
…I don’t see any harm in telling the family to make funeral arrangements, after all, the case has been solved, and the family knows what happened.
We the public are waiting for the leak.
I think you’re right – the case is basically solved but the details have not been released to the public. There is a lot of LE work yet to get their ducks in order and the appropriate arrests to be made. It’s clear that they have enough evidence of Haleigh’s death and/or they have documented confessions from at least one (and probably two) of the players. I just hope that Haleigh’s death was an easy one and that she didn’t suffer. She has so many people that love her now.
BA, I think I remember it being in the one where she talks about going out with her new friend. I will go and check.bbl
Thanks Tobias… I’m looking too!
Pardon my rants about LE but I am not impressed with them. I’m sure Steve Brown has worked hard and it is him that lead the lie detector examiner to Tommy Croslin. It was failing the lie detector test that broke this in a way that LE would listen to, only after failing to listen to the letter. If Misty was over powered and then one or both of the males took the child and killed her then Misty needs to answer for the delay in saying something. If she was over powered at the time then there is nothing she could do about that but all this time silent is a bit much and she needs to be accountable, and she needs help. I’m just blown away this whole family “Croslins” were not given lie detectors on day one. I’m further blown away that Tommy was not given one at the 7 month mark. In my opinion before he got that reduced bond for his statement regarding Misty he should of been made to take a lie detector as part of the deal or not get the deal. If Misty was negligent in some manner and that lead into a window of opportunity for these men to do this to this child then she needs to be accountable for that as well. All the way around this is a tragedy. It is because the Sheffields hired this man and what he brought in that this case is solved not because of LE. That clears up whether or not the Sheffields have been doing anything or played a part in it.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Tobias.
I was and to b honestshe had none. They held her at th end of th ramp for like 20 minutes before they escorted her to th dock. Once there she just pointed around and just stood there. No emotion no hesitance no hurt. At all!!!!!
She actually smiled on her way back.
Sry I couldn’t get to none of tht yesterday.
I sent Simon a pic of a bending tree on th property and u can feel Haleighs presence there.
M2c hope all is well!
New link
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20002794-504083.html
One thing is for sure Tommy is talking but there has not been proof positive who he is talking about. The Joe thing I believe came from Misty. Her letter proves she is talking about him but we also know Misty is a liar, so Joe may be a patsy for her. The recent tapes of Ron make me believe he is involved in the Joe did it blame game. If he really felt Joe was guilty he knew his address in Antioch and would have killed him. The story he gives Cobra sounded alot like the story Amber told about Ron and the bridge. I guess we will have to take a wait and see attitude. jmo
Armando Thank you for telling what you saw. I thought if she showed any kind of emotion she would finally tell the truth. I think she is still lying. Tommy has probably been more truthful, but I dont think he is naming Joe. jmo
Tobias – I think that Ron and Misty have a pact to keep quiet. If anyone gets close to solving the case – blame Joe. I have been listening to the tapes, etc.. over the past day. I thought it telling when Ron went on and on about smashing Joe’s hands for “stealing”. If Ron believed Joe was involved, stealing would be the least of his crimes.
I wonder who the “big surprise” is – if it is Ronald, it won’t be a big surprise to me (or a lot of people).
Also Rons story about the dock and gators he doesnt break down and cry at the fact she may be there. That in my opinion was heartless, how does a parent talk about how his child could have been fed to gators let alone not breakdown telling it? jmo
No surprise here either. Actually if he isnt named I will be surprised now. jmo
Tobias
To me, it seemed like she had no clue to y she was being brought there.
I truly think she holds th final piece to th puzzle.
An I agree with TJ, LE brought her there to scare her, I just think it didn’t work.
Oh one more thing abt th Dave thing. Everyone on th chat board was telling him to shut up and move on. No one wanted him to keep talking.
But I said it and I get shhhh….no filter between my words and feelings. Sry
Armando, I saw the chat boards but didnt participate I usually dont unless I have a question I need answered really bad. I think everyone was a little over the top and rude but just because they want answers. The problem is I dont think anyone has the answers yet. I dont think Misty was affected by the ramp because she wasnt there that night, she was cleaning up the MH. I dont think she was ever told the place Haleigh was put for a reason. jmo
Armando, Thank You for all you have done.
Tobias, I thought that at first, too, that only Tommy & Joe went to the boat ramp that night. But Misty pointed to a certain spot in the water. If she hadn’t been there and didn’t know where Haleigh had been put, how could she have been so specific? This is what makes me believe that she was there also that night.
Actually I think th search brought forth answers tht are not being revealed.
Alot happened on tht river. Tht I still haven’t heard.
Idk anymore.
I am also questioning why Ron wanted Misty to continually prove he could trust her? The Rat in the mailbox, the marriage,the restraining order on Tommy,and the Tatoo she has. jmo
Anyone who knew, whether they were there or not, if they knew anything at all and kept quiet all this time, is just as guilty IMO. Yeah, I know the law says differently, but it shouldn’t.
I think T is implicating JO as being there, because possibly JO was there. But T might not know for sure if JO “did it” and that’s why he was hedging all along about not saying JO did something if he (T) didn’t know for sure he did. That’s just my take though…for all I know T knows every single detail and has lied about all of it all along.
So, apparently Ron is “disappointed” in Misty for keeping quiet. Seems he believes she was “threatened” into silence. Yeah…could that statement made through his atty really be a message to Misty? Certainly it will be discussed in the media, and that’s how the crew have been passing messages since their arrests, imo.
Aligoo, You cant believe NG or AH they said things like that but no where is there any video of her pointing at anything. They go over the top in their stories and report things wrong a lot. jmo
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For those who already emailed me. Your books will b on their way today or tomorrow morn
thnks to all of you.
AnneinTN. Thnk you! I love TN. Awsome place.
tobias said,in April 19th, 2010 at 12:48 pm Aligoo, You cant believe NG or AH they said things like that but no where is there any video of her pointing at anything. They go over the top in their stories and report things wrong a lot. jmo
I agree and haven’t listened to NG in months. But I have seen a picture of Misty on that dock with LE pointing at a spot in the water off the dock. I think it was taken by a news helicopter. So, she must have known something about that what happened on that dock.
The Real Armando said,in April 19th, 2010 at 12:50 pm I have 7 books left for y’all at BNN tht has been asking abt it. I will autograph thm and ship thm off th next day.
Send an address and name to http://www.mando4jaime@gmail.com
Pls if u don’t want one just don’t send email.
For those who already emailed me. Your books will b on their way today or tomorrow morn
thnks to all of you.
AnneinTN. Thnk you! I love TN. Awsome place
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TY, I dont know about the books, sorry.
Do you have a link because all the footage I have seen she never even raised her arms. jmo
The police obviously have no new information aside from the speculative “story” that has been told to them by Tommy Croslin. They are attempting to use the media to convince all the players that someone has talked. When, in fact, nobody has said word one. They want to scare someone into telling a story that doesn’t exist.
I think the possibility that someone outside of the police and media circle took this little girl is very real. The police don’t know anything, and they are no closer today to solving this crime than they were a yr ago. The reason is simple, they have focused on a very small group of individuals. And they have done so at the expense of finding the real perpetrator. THIS CASE WILL NEVER BE SOLVED !!!!!
From the minute I heard the 911 call, I thought Ron was involved. IMO, he made sure in that call to deflect from him and his home. It was less about Haleigh and more about him. He tried too hard to make sure they knew that his daughter was taken, not missing and not hurt at home. The point that sealed the deal for me was when he said that he did not care if they recorded him threat to kill the person. His daughter was missing and he wanted to make sure that they recorded his threat. Who even thinks of the call being recorded when you can’t find your child?
Once he made his point, he had more “important people to talk to ” than LE who were not coming. How about going outside and looking for your daughter? Why the complete confidence that she was “taken” unless he knew something before that call?
Jay said,in April 19th, 2010 at 12:59 pm The police obviously have no new information aside from the speculative “story” that has been told to them by Tommy Croslin. They are attempting to use the media to convince all the players that someone has talked. When, in fact, nobody has said word one. They want to scare someone into telling a story that doesn’t exist.
I think the possibility that someone outside of the police and media circle took this little girl is very real. The police don’t know anything, and they are no closer today to solving this crime than they were a yr ago. The reason is simple, they have focused on a very small group of individuals. And they have done so at the expense of finding the real perpetrator. THIS CASE WILL NEVER BE SOLVED !!!!
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Jay I tend to agree with you at this point in this case.
Aligoo at 11:20 am
Thank you for not jumping all over me for making the statement. YES its time to put her to rest, and I would think LE meant no harm or disrespect to the families by stating so.
The case is all but over. Until the media finds out. We all await for that.
Now Haleigh, rest in peace my love.
If everyone is pointing the finger at Joe, and Joe is innocent, why isn’t he coming forward with the truth?? Or has he, and we just don’t know the truth yet??
I still believe, LE knows exactly what went down that night.
Mums is the word for now though.
The thing about Joe is we dont know his personality except for whats been said by the ones who are accussing him. But you have to ask if he was so crazy like they say why let him stay in your home when you have very small children there? And now all of a sudden no one really knows Joe but goes on National TV and point the finger at him(chelsea). And the GMa in my opinion wants the reward money because the first thing out of her mouth was I was the one who gave the tip not I was told who did it.jmo
m2c♥ 10:41am
Hi, BOLDONE3 – Like all of us, I guess, I want to hear the solution! Then maybe I can work towards accepting the tragic ending, you know?
Yes I completely understand. This case has been a part of our lives for 14 months.
Curious to see, which media outlet will be the 1st to break the story, since LE already knows.
Getting back to LE telling Ron to make funeral arrangements, I have to believe their intentions were so the family can finally have closure.
BUT WHAT IS SO SHOCKING???????
AnneIn TN, Jay, Yep, still A LOT to be explained. Better have more evidence that she is dead other than Misty and Tommy’s word!
Tobias, that’s why I cannot accept JO was there just because they are saying it. If I knew his personality more, I might be able to come up with a better theory than the one I have.
As for Granny, I do believe she wants the reward money, but I also believe T and M have told her those things. I think she is very protective of Misty, that Misty has always been Granny’s favorite. So, possibly more has been said to Granny than what she has told.
LE knows what either or both have said, and they know some of it is true and some of it is not.
I wonder if there were really two search sites and the first being Memorial bridge and then the boat ramp? Nothing was ever really said about that search except it was supposed to be about a woman who was shot on the coast 3 years ago. I always thought with the ocean being there why would you drive all the way to the bridge to get rid of a gun? And the gun would be under 3 years of silt(as we learned in the boat ramp search). jmo
Of course Granny wants the reward money!!!
Maybe she can buy some teeth with the money.
All I took away from her is, she thinks Misty is as pure as fresh snow, and she thru Joe under the bus.
My theory is Misty killed the girl. Joe & Tommy thru the body in the river. Why couldn’t Misty have fallen in the river instead??
The truth is known to all but the public. Something has to leak soon.
Kate W. said,in April 19th, 2010 at 1:22 pm AnneIn TN, Jay, Yep, still A LOT to be explained. Better have more evidence that she is dead other than Misty and Tommy’s word!
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Kate I agree. This could be a distraction to make this case go cold. Gona take more than 2 blocks to prove a death. jmo
Armando,
You’re not alone… I’ll cop to my behavior in the chat. It is how I felt and how it was expelled, right or wrong, I did it!!
If LE really did say to make funeral arrangements that could mean they have something to bury? We will soon find out.
Remember LE keeps things close to the vest and this may be one of those things. jmo
My new favorite quote: “Welcome to MY world!”
tobias, yes i agree so if indeed Haleigh has passed she can be at rest and familys can have some closure.But if LE told familys to make arrangements they needed proof first for the familys. Seems to me that they went backass backwards on this but we dont know all.jmo
bones to bury. What else could be left?
BOLDONE3 said,in April 19th, 2010 at 1:54 pm bones to bury. What else could be left?
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I agree IF they find even bones ya know. jmo sad sad
Yes, but remember NG reported that the blue cooler was evidence, when really it was a tool to find evidence. Odd that she would know what RC was told or not told. If any of it is true, then we will hear news soon. Police are making sure the family does not hear any shocking news on television first. It needs to be done in a respectful way.
Thank you for the kind comments regarding last night’s program.
As this fascinating case continues to unfold, I plan to be on this Sunday’s show regarding Statement Analysis.
If you have a particular statement (the longer the better) from the Haliegh Cummings case that you would like analyzed, please visit
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
and enter it in the comments section. If any are flagged for deception or hold more than the obvious, I would be happy to present them on the program if Simon has time.
Or, if you have other questions, please feel free to post them there as well. If it requires a private response, please say so.
Again, thank you for the generous comments and I hope I can contribute to understanding in this case, which I think, may come to resolution sooner than later. And like many of you, I am wondering if any arrests (or filing of charges) will come as a surprise.
Peter Hyatt
Where did we hear that LE told RC to make funeral arrangements. Seems to me they wouldn’t do that without a body. AND, even if they found bones wouldn’t the ME and LE keep them for forensics for quite some time. Remember how long Caylee’s little bones sat at the funeral home and in a box before the family got them? I just don’t see LE telling the family to make funeral arrangements without at least some bones….so does this mean they’ve found Haleigh (or part of her…gulp)? And are we SURE LE said this to Ron? What is the source?
I hope they have something they can get DNA from to prove she was there.jmo
Tobias…what would shock you? If you don’t mind answering.
His lawyer Terry Shoemaker made that statement. I believe it was to First Coast news.jmo
tobias said,in April 19th, 2010 at 12:57 pm Do you have a link because all the footage I have seen she never even raised her arms. jmo
Tobias, I have to apologize because I can’t find that photo anywhere. I’ve looked & looked! It was a still from a helicoptor and the photo was a little distorted (tall & narrow). It was everywhere a few days ago & now I can’t find it. Aaargh! But it showed Misty standing on the dock with her hands tied. I may have remembered it wrong & she may not have been pointing. But since she was taken down to the dock, that tells me that she was there that night and now was telling LE what occurred there. Maybe someone else can put their hands on this pic.
I haven’t seen the pic of Misty pointing….I thought it was just media that was there that saw her pointing. The helicopter shot never showed her pointing. THat would have been a million $ photo!
If RC’s lawyer say LE told the family to make funeral arrangements then they’ve GOT to have bones. But could they have gotten dna verification this quickly? I doubt it. Did they find her clothes? Maybe still attached to a rope and cinder block? That makes me nauseated to even type that! UGH!
JB –
MomofaMarine said,in April 19th, 2010 at 9:39 am This just came up on my FaceBook:
“Nancy Grace Breaking News: Haleigh’s dad Ron Cummings was reportedly told to start making funeral arrangements for his missing daughter as police announce the little girl is likely dead, according to his attorney!”
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I also saw it but from another mainstream media site but don’t remember which one.
Correct AnneInTn IF there are any bones left…….there is something. A shirt?
Bottom line, LE has evidence. And they are in correspondence with the family so the family doesn’t hear anything thru the media.
Good for them!!
If this lessons the pain for the family, we can wait a few days. IMO
Now I hope those who have accused and convicted Ron can hold there tongues a few more days out of respect for Haleigh until we know everything.
Because at this point, only a few know what really happened.
And we the public aren’t included in on that.
Whoever, Whatever is a bombshell.
Per media outlets.
JB said,in April 19th, 2010 at 2:01 pm Where did we hear that LE told RC to make funeral arrangements. Seems to me they wouldn’t do that without a body. AND, even if they found bones wouldn’t the ME and LE keep them for forensics for quite some time. Remember how long Caylee’s little bones sat at the funeral home and in a box before the family got them? I just don’t see LE telling the family to make funeral arrangements without at least some bones….so does this mean they’ve found Haleigh (or part of her…gulp)? And are we SURE LE said this to Ron? What is the source?
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JB, i agree with you. I dont see LE saying this either with no proof. They called familys in to tell about the search. I cant remember where the funeral arrangments came in at.I am not sure of nothing. Dont even know what to think anymore.imo
News link
http://mistycroslin.com/tag/shell-harbor-road/
I trust AH. I know most on this blog don’t. But I do. So what he says, I believe.
NG is another whom I wish would have been thrown into the river.
IF YOU HAVENT SEEN IT THE FIRST COAST NEWS INTERVIEW WITH RONS LAWYER IS SOMETHING ELSE. SO MUCH SPIN AND DENIAL IT WOULD BE FUNNY IF HALEIGH WASNT DEAD. HE ACTUALLY SAYS TN THINKS RON DID THE DRUG DEALING TO GET CLOSE TO MISTY. LOL HE WAS SLEEPING WITH HER I THINK THATS CLOSER THAN DEALING DRUGS. JMO
Robert Fields, Misty’s attorney had this to say.
“This latest search was based on information from someone else,” Croslin may have “shed some light” on who was responsible.
“Somebody else has possibly been implicated in this,” he said. “You need to look away from Misty.”
http://mistycroslin.com/tag/shell-harbor-road/
LE/The Family/And those directly involve know exactly what happened today. I bleieve LE DID tell the family to plan a funeral.
They are crossing every T & dotting every I before the Media gets a hold of it.
AnneInTn said,in April 19th, 2010 at 1:04 pm Jay said,in April 19th, 2010 at 12:59 pm The police obviously have no new information aside from the speculative “story” that has been told to them by Tommy Croslin. They are attempting to use the media to convince all the players that someone has talked. When, in fact, nobody has said word one. They want to scare someone into telling a story that doesn’t exist.
I think the possibility that someone outside of the police and media circle took this little girl is very real. The police don’t know anything, and they are no closer today to solving this crime than they were a yr ago. The reason is simple, they have focused on a very small group of individuals. And they have done so at the expense of finding the real perpetrator. THIS CASE WILL NEVER BE SOLVED !!!!
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Jay I tend to agree with you at this point in this case.
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I think you just nailed it Jay. Here is another thought could LE AnneInTn said,in April 19th, 2010 at 1:04 pm Jay said,in April 19th, 2010 at 12:59 pm The police obviously have no new information aside from the speculative “story” that has been told to them by Tommy Croslin. They are attempting to use the media to convince all the players that someone has talked. When, in fact, nobody has said word one. They want to scare someone into telling a story that doesn’t exist.
I think the possibility that someone outside of the police and media circle took this little girl is very real. The police don’t know anything, and they are no closer today to solving this crime than they were a yr ago. The reason is simple, they have focused on a very small group of individuals. And they have done so at the expense of finding the real perpetrator. THIS CASE WILL NEVER BE SOLVED !!!!
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Jay I tend to agree with you at this point in this case.
AnneInTn said,in April 19th, 2010 at 1:04 pm Jay said,in April 19th, 2010 at 12:59 pm The police obviously have no new information aside from the speculative “story” that has been told to them by Tommy Croslin. They are attempting to use the media to convince all the players that someone has talked. When, in fact, nobody has said word one. They want to scare someone into telling a story that doesn’t exist.
I think the possibility that someone outside of the police and media circle took this little girl is very real. The police don’t know anything, and they are no closer today to solving this crime than they were a yr ago. The reason is simple, they have focused on a very small group of individuals. And they have done so at the expense of finding the real perpetrator. THIS CASE WILL NEVER BE SOLVED !!!!
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Jay I tend to agree with you at this point in this case.
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Jay I think you hit a few nails on the head.
I am amazed at the cooperation that Tommy gave to everyone in the wake of his LTD. The most curious to me is this relationship between Tommy’s attorney and CS PI….and Tommy’s council to meet with him before meeting with PCSO detectives.
It seems Ron’s attorney has stated that LE has asked the Cummings family to start planning a funeral as of this weekend.
Is it possible LE had already found HaLeigh before the search at the river? I would definatly think that a funeral would be quick in the planning if they just found something this last week.
Dang how did that happen? sorry about the repeat in above quote.
Terry Shoemaker says Ron isnt mad at Misty just disappointed that if she knew anything she didnt tell him? OMG And Ron hopes and believes she was made to go along with it.OMG Rons Mother says he did the drug deals to get close to Misty OMG He talked about the incident with Joe and the gun but they wont talk about it because it may interfer with the investigation.OMG Even the lawyers are nuts to be doing interviews like these. jmo
This is probably nothing but something Lindsey C. said to Tommy C. peaked my curiosity a bit. It was said in the same jail house video, as to her saying she threw Tom & Tim’s workboots in the trash.
She mentioned that on her way into the jail she saw a memorial on a vehicle for a one ‘Chris Dobson.’ She said she had never seen a vehicle memorial and found it interesting. The she asks her husband if he is ‘shaking’ and then laughs.
Since she implied both knew this deceased person, I tried to look up how he had passed away. I found a facebook entry by someone who claims to be his sister who says his old myspace page is now a memorial for him. People asked her how he died and she said it was ruled a suicide but there were a lot of unanswered questions.
Does anyone know how Lindsey and Tommy knew this guy?
Now why would LE tell the family to make funeral arrangements if all they have is “Haleigh is likely dead”. They HAVE to have more than that. They’ve got SOME sort of evidence she is dead for them to make that statement. Her clothes pulled out of the river, bones, bones attached to a rope and cinder block…something. I don’t want Haleigh to be dead but if she is, and I believe she is, I hope LE has a airtight case with PLENTY of evidence.
Still don’t know if JO was involved….could have just been Misty, Tommy and perhaps Timmy. I love how Chelsey says Timmy was beside her in bed all night…hmmmmm…I believe that is what Lindsey said too and it looks like that isn’t true. I don’t trust ANYTHING these people say. Either Timmy or JO used that van to help dispose of Haleigh…..I haven’t decide which one. Could be Tommy, Timmy and Misty agreed that night to blame JO…. But I will say JO has some anger issues and appears to be just as messed up as the rest of this family. Why would the van be scratched? It looks like the roads are unobstructed to the dock. Any ideas?
Yaknow the last 14 months has not smelled right and this search dont smell right to me either. I am just thinking out loud here. Something is NOT right. jmo
Breaking News! Haleigh’s dad Ron Cummings was reportedly told to start making funeral arrangements for his missing daughter as police announce the little girl is likely dead, according to his attorney. Multiple versions of what happened to Haleigh emerge, one in which the girl was bound with rope, tied to cinder blocks, and dumped in the St. Johns River. Have the alleged possible murder weapons been found? Are arrests in Haleigh’s murder about to happen any moment?
I just got this in a google alert but I cant post the link here,with respect to Jan.
IF LE told Ron that he should start making funeral arrangements, BIG IF, there is the perspective that a funeral would really close the case in the minds of a lot of people and LE wouldn’t be getting so much attention and pressure about it…
I’ve been wondering about searching Tommy’s old home for the yellow rope. Lindsy moved out of there, right? But they are able to hang on to it? Or they bought it and it hasn’t sold? Don’t get it. TIA for clarification.
Lindsy and her grandfather own the MH on Tyler according to records. It was up for sale.
Lisa said TN asked her if it was up for sale and Lisa had the notion that TN wanted to buy it. Its on one of the tapes with Misty after the vigil. It sounded weird when she said it and now its even weirder. jmo
I found video of R’s lawyer, Shoemaker, saying that on FirstCoastNews.com
Below is part of the article. I’ll put the link in the next comment.
“His attorney, Terry Shoemaker, told First Coast News that Cummings and his family were advised to make funeral arrangements.
“Yeah, you can understand how Ron would be shocked at that because he’s hoping it ends, but still holding hope that maybe they’re wrong that maybe something else happened and this will end up as another false lead,” Shoemaker said.”
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/money/onyourside/amarosarmy/news-article.aspx?storyid=154906&catid=3
Video of R’s lawyer plus news report.
Maybe the funeral is for LE to watch the attendees.
I find it presumptuous to be told to plan for a funeral. Maybe a family doesn’t believe in such cermonies.
charminglane – That was my reaction, too. Not only is it inconsiderate to say “funeral” when it seems that a memorial is more appropriate (if there’s no body),
LE better HAVE a body or some solid evidence before telling a family that (IMO). So far all we’ve heard are more stories from the same old liars. So LE must have some evidence but even so this does seem rushed and somewhat pushy IMO.
here is a link to a news article about the family being told to make funeral arrangements:
His attorney, Terry Shoemaker, told First Coast News that Cummings and his family were advised to make funeral arrangements
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=154906&catid=3
This is what Marie posted on fb a few minutes ago…..
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2909950/lindsey_and_chelsea_croslin_missing.html?cat=17
She isn’t putting too much into Misty, Tommy or Joe at this point.
Oh you can’t make this sh*t up..LOL!
KC new JUdge: Perry KC new Attorney: Mason
Perry/Mason
LOL LOL LOL
who isn’t putting too much into Misty, Tommy or Joe at this point?
LMAO, Perry & Mason!
tobias, Way wierd that Theresa expressed interest in Tommy’s home. Way wierd.
Casey Anthony Case Update:
Perry/Mason on the scene today!
Yea! If Mason worked for the prosecution, I’d be more hopefull! LOL!
Maybe it’s a sign from GOD!
I was thinking about what a great “spokesperson” they’ve found in Flora Hollers. Then I remembered that Art Harris has been talking to her a lot. Then I remembered Flora Hollers saying that she didn’t remember where she heard this story or that story…hmmmm, where might she have heard some things…
Hi HGM LOL Hey someone was asking about the accident that Hank was in and now it seems Timmy was also in the wreck. I just cant figure out why it was never in the papers because it was reported to LE and there were injuries. Also that was the first time anyone said Timmy was with him. Chelsea also now claims to not know Joe??? I bet her husband does. Why is Chelsea on NG and not the one that should be TIMMY??? Seems odd doesnt it?? jmo
None of these people seem all that broken up about this. I understand that everyone grieves differently. Even as far as being concerned for themselves, no one seems to be that worried. Let’s take TN for example, to me it seems like she doesn’t know why she is crying. There are a lot of theories out there and everyone has and are entitled to his/her own opinion. I also think that they should have said “Memorial” if anything unless they have some tangible proof that she is dead. I think maybe someone put pressure on LE to turn this into a cold case or “solve it”, or gave this Brown guy a story to run with. He is working with Tommy’s lawyer-WTF.
Kate, Thats funny isnt it? Good ol AH whispering in her ear. jmo
Hey Tobias;
I worked for a few hours again last night on that wreck info…still comming up empty. It’s making me mad. Renewed vigor! Everyone talks about the wreck but still having trouble verifying it. Will continue & let you know.
Are you on Twitter? If yes ADD ME! If no join & protect your tweets. Then only people you allow can read em.
Denise, I’m with you….Torn about mis-wording or actual evidence to support/prove.
Tobias:
I have need to speak with you often, LOL!
Denise, It could be Tommys lawyer was in the dark about his involvement until he broke down.
And if Tommy agreed to talk with Brown there isnt anything his lawyer could do but quit which I believe he did for the Haleigh case.
Tommy talked about Brown on the tapes and he knew he was a PI and said he trusted him. Thats why I think Tommy is talking but I dont think its about joe like everyone thinks.jmo
HGM, We still havent gotten those tapes where Hank is telling Misty to quit protecting Ron cause he isnt gonna protect you. Hmmm. Why would Hank say that if he thought Joe was the one? Tommy also goes on a rant about Ron why?
I cant help but feel they (joe and Tommy ) covered for Misty that night then found out they were also covering for Ron too. Thats when the rat gets put in the mailbox. jmo
LE cant tell someone when to make arrangments,now the Sherriff could have said Ron i belive this is it,you may want to think anout your funeral arrangments.There first has to be death cir.signed.That it was a homicide. An they will surly have to have some linking evedience,or maybe just what these 2 have given them will be enough.Like Homoiced by undetermined means.
Unless PCSO knows they found something that ties to what they said.Other than 2 cinder blocks.Because it will be hard to say they are blocks from the same load.If there was a load.Now if they can somehow match it to the block at the back door.I myself think if that was said they found tiny bone s,like a childs bone finger/wrist/Or they found the yellow rope that Lindsey said on the video,that Simone put up for us,the one she was talking about the boots on.
I really believe i heard Lindsey saying that investigators asked her questions about a yellow rope Do we have those videos still so i can go back an watch them,to here again exactly what she said?.
I think someone has to be missing at least 7 yrs.Before anyone can get the death Cir. then they can cash any policy in that they have for a funeral.If they payoff on homicides.But of course thats for someone that is missing,an they cant prove any crime happened,just believe it happened .
I believe Mrs Holler she truly thinks she is the one who told,an i would like to see phone records,an when Lawer turned the stuff into the PCSO.SHE REALLY MAY HAVE CALLED FIRST,BECAUSE IF TOMMY FAILED THAT DAY,AN CALLED HER THAT NIGHT,THEN THE lAWYER,AN INVESTIGATORS TURNED IT IN WHAT 2/4 DAYS LATER.They questioned,him his lawyer spoke to him then 2 days later he called PI they spoke an then they took it to PCSO.I think Misty called Thursday is what Holler said on NG . she spoke to Tommy Sunday before.Misty thursday who was telling what investigators told,her to her granny.
They said Monday night the PI son that he had cracked the case.If that old woman did call before these hot shots went into the office,an turned it in.I hope if a reward is out there that she gets it.Im sorry she needs it much more than the others,an if she did call first,i hope they dont hide the taped call,an cut her out.
I do not believe she did this for money.I think it ripped her heart,but she knew she,an Tommys call was taped,an knowed she had better call an tell.She doesnt favor to Misty,i think she knows her grandchildren,an how they act,what they have done in the past.An who she thinks would be more culpatuble of doing this.
Misty has been baby sitting sence knee high to a grass hopper,an children seem to love her.Her Grannys seen her with children,an shes seen Joe,an Tommy.We already know from Tommys speaking to Lindsey in Jail,his children are last on his mind.
m2c♥ said,
in April 19th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Hi, BOLDONE3 – My reaction is just from my perspective, of course, hearing it the way I did (the way we all did) – that “reportedly R was told to start making funeral arrangements for his missing daughter as police announce the little girl is likely dead.”
To me that’s pushy, rude and presumptuous. But maybe LE told R more before saying that. Maybe LE has proof we don’t know about. I sure hope they’ve got something more.
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Ditto!!!!
If they are calling the dock a crime scene, and a missing child, murdered, they better have more then a boat anchor for evidence.
The Real Armando said,
in April 19th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Hey Jason. I guess thts ur name.
I don’t recent Dave. I personally think he babbeled his ass off.
As far as not letting me talk. I could
care less but he didn’t let TJ talk either.
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Great post Armando, nothing to apologize for!!!!
Re: Caylee Anthony Case
New judge is “Judge Belvin Perry Jr. in his place; Perry is highly-respected and known as a tough, no-nonsense judge.”
And if the info I found on him is current he is also Chair, Trial Court Budget Committee – State Court System. Hmmm.
I believe the defense had just asked Judge Strickland how much money they have for the defense. So will that concern be grounds to now ask for Belvin Perry to be recused – since he chairs the Budget Committee? IDK. Just interested in what the defense is trying to accomplish here (other than putting off the trial for two more years probably)
Part of article from Nancy Grace:
According to Cummings’ attorney, Terry . Speaking of Ronald Cummings, it looks like Haleigh’s father could be out of jail soon. There’s word that Leonard Padilla is interested in helping Cummings make bail.
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I hope LP stays out of this until we are sure Ron is not involved. I have my doubts.
I am glad to see I am not the only one offended that the Cummings family are being asked to plan a funeral with little more than a few days of LE stating they believe HaLeigh is dead and not confirming that they had found HaLeighs body or that evidence retrieved from the river is indeed confirmed to be linked to HaLeigh and a crime.
I’m not a Ronald hater but come on “out of jail” geez,,A study in how many things you can do, against the law, and go free,,
I am completely confused. Though I thought I had it all figured out, with how the baby died and who killed her, per Marie on fb, she believes NOTHING the Coesslin’s have to say.
She isn’t putting much into any of this story.
Granny is all confused because she thinks she is on to something….and couldn’t wait to throw her grandson under the bus to collect a few dollars!!
Now this is what Marie is posting…. nothing, NO evidence was found in river. And they are still hoping Haleigh is alive. So …who knows!
AnneInTn said,
in April 19th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Robert Fields, Misty’s attorney had this to say.
“This latest search was based on information from someone else,” Croslin may have “shed some light” on who was responsible.
“Somebody else has possibly been implicated in this,” he said. “You need to look away from Misty.”
http://mistycroslin.com/tag/shell-harbor-road/
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That doesn’t sound much like a confession.
Do you have her facebook link?
I am fb illiterate. I am a friend of her’s on fb, not sure she has a website. Let me go look and I will get back to you.
All her posts are showing up on my Wall Page.
It would be even more interesting to find out that this was all a hoax of some sort.
“IF” it was all some form of a hoax:
(1.) Granny Flo was allegedly “told” the different versions by her GrandChildren, Misty and Tommy, or so she claims.
(2.) Do we believe Granny Flo on the part about hearing these different story versions at all at least?
(3.) LE claims to have found some form of evidence. We have heard about possibly (2) cinder blocks and yellow rope that were found.
At the moment questions:
(1.) Do the recorded phone conversations back up Granny Flo’s claims?
(2.) Can the cinder blocks and or/yellow rope be tied to this case?
One other thing…
LE stated that people are starting to talk.
Who are the people that are talking and what are they saying?
(I know we most likely won’t get or know the answers to these questions anytime soon but these are the questions on my list.)
kathymac said,
in April 19th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
I’m not a Ronald hater but come on “out of jail” geez,,A study in how many things you can do, against the law, and go free,,
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He has just been told his daughter is dead, prepare a funeral. My guess would be that to bail him out on a drug charge might just be an act of compassion.
treece just for the sake of clarity we do not know for a fact that what has been claimed is exactly what Ron was told in regards to making plans for a funeral etc…
So far we know that is what was told by Ron’s attorney as to what Ron had said to him.
It’s all so confusing.
This is what I do know:
Misty is a pathological liar who will say and do anything to get out of jail.
Now whats this I am hearing Leonard is getting Ron out?
In a nut shell as to how I understood it,
Last night on Levi Page’s radio show LP said he had wanted to bail Ron out of jail and had been asked to by the chick who is a blogger that befriended Ron.) but that a few days ago LP and his staff talked about it and decided that they would hold off on that idea.
That plan may have changed since then?
Was Ron the only one told to prepare for a funeral? Or was the entire family told this? Do we know?
Allegedly the blogger/friend of Ron’s also had a thing for Joran Vander Sloot.
I NEVER thought I would say this…but I will be watching NG tonight!!
What blogger befriended Ron??
IF Haleigh is gone…I think it is very compassionate for someone to bail Ron out.
OK don’t throw anything at me, but that is how I feel!
gngrsnap at this point we do not have actual confirmation that Ron was told any suchathing.
BOLDONE3 I have no idea what the blogger/friend’s name is. She seems insignificant imvho.
You could listen to the archive of Levi’s show to find out though.
You know what Tuff?? No not going to listen because it isn’t important to know. And honestly, I don’t know what to believe out of anyone’s mouth. Especially the Clampetts. (Coesslin’s)
So I will go with the flow, hope for the best, and look at all this happening the last few days as “heresay”
I agree BOLDONE!
Still LMAO about the Clampetts comment though.
I just watched that movie on cable the other day! So funny to learn there is a move called the hickory nut crunch.
OK that was soooo off topic.
I apologize.
Allegedly the blogger/friend of Ron’s also had a thing for Joran Vander Sloot
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!! Creepy!!!
Signing off…got nothing done today because I sat and blogged.
And in reality, we are back at square 1.
Tuff Stuff -Don’t need to apologize.
This whole story is a “freak show”. Sadly.
Not sure how old you are, but do you remember Ma & Pa Kettle?? NOW them people were the Coesslin’s! At least the Clampetts had money. No Class but money!
Operation “Hickory Nut Crunch”!
OH MY! LOLing a little to much over that so I think I better take a break too!
BBL
LP said on LEVI that he thought about bailing Ron but decided not to do it. NG has old news from when LP was thinking about it he needs to tell her he decided against it. jmo
Oh yeah Ma and Pa Kettle! Yes I do remember watching them also.
Treece,,I see the compassion part of it clearly. I would be pretty shocked if he had anything to do with hurting Haleigh. I think he was negligent as was Crystal. He has to learn his lesson and pay for his drug use and dealing of drugs, for his own use, or profit. Even he knows that.
BOLDONE3 – The Clampetts had the kind of class that means ethics, morals, kindness, generosity and honesty. THAT’s CLASS to me.
A lot of educated people with money, good clothes and all their teeth (who some might say have “class”) don’t have those qualities.
I am easily amused today. I guess I’m lacking.
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bbl
kathymac-Nice post.
m2c♥
Touche’
How do I put smilies on my posts??
I am so computer illiterate!!
I make the Amish look hi-tech.
Tuff Stuff, I’m not sure what you consider confirmation of what LE told R and the bio-mom’s side but check out the info and link in my posts at 3:28 and 3:29 (see video).
Also I believe someone upthread mentioned some comments from the biomom’s side in regard to being told the same thing.
tuffstuff-
TY! I was just trying to think of other ways a statement like that could be taken…. like if LE said “Ron you need to prepare for a funeral” (if we find evidence that you were involved in this)
y’know like a threat… IDK
:0) thats one way. Everyone try to remember NG gets things late, or she will later correct it by having LP on and have him say yea I decided not to do it. Watch and see if I AM wrong I ll eat crow feathers and all .jmo
I really don’t see Ron’s lawyer flat out lying on national TV about what was told to Ron by LE I really don’t.
Even though I stay on the fence about Ron’s involvement with all this I still wonder if he wasn’t working with LE during the drug deal/ drug bust. Maybe LE has been playing him as well as Misty and her dysfunctional bunch?
I keep going back to his Gmother telling him one the jail recording that his mother told him that the cops said to be careful what you say they have a snitch in with you.
Ron wasn’t actually in protected custody either he was in a pod with other inmates had his own cell but was out with them during the day he told Gmother they played cards and such. Do we know if this jail he is in has anything different than pods?
PLEASE I do not condone Ronald or his mother TN in all of this I think they are involved but MAYBE Ron was after the fact? Hell I don’t know anymore it is driving me crazy trying to understand.
How can you have a funeral if no body is found,the attorney for ron is going around in circles on NG,wouldn’t it be the same iif someone died at sea nd the body was never found,you would just have a memorial in that persons honor true?
The original bonds for the drug crimes were excessively high in order to keep the players in jail in an effort to get someone(s) to talk. This worked pretty well! If LE brings charges against Misty & Tommy relating to Haleigh’s death, I’m sure that those bonds will be very high. I imagine that then the bonds for all the five people arrested on drug charges will be reduced, since the original objective will have been met.
flowerchild, that’s true. And in some places and situations, the law says one has to wait a certain number of years before the person can be declared dead.
gngrsnap said,in April 19th, 2010 at 7:08 pm –
I understand what you mean but I think it would be more like, “Ron, if we find evidence that you’re involved in this, it’ll be YOUR funeral!”
BOLDONE3 –
Type a colon and right after an end paragraph symbol like )
Somehow magically it turns into 🙂
it seems cruel to me if LE has no concrete evidence that haliegh is really dead to tell ron that,so it seems to me they have something of the remains of haliegh to tell him that
The video on NG of Granny Flora was played multiple times. So what I want to know is when did that version get told to her exactly?
I believe that NG is 100% spot on when she says that if it were the truth that Joe had done what Misty is claiming then she (Misty) would have taken LP’s offer right then and there.
Misty was very obviously desperate to get out of jail from what I saw on the video tapes imo.
Misty would have taken LP’s offer and told on Joe for sure. But what if she has now been forced by Tommy to open her mouth to somehow save her own neck.
PCSO better be calling someone’s bluff by going on about Haleigh being dead without offering any evidence what-so-ever. Like Treece says, they better have more than a boat anchor! And that’s not even official word from them! Granny Sykes has this one right, “Show me. Don’t tell me, show me.”
Oh, but PCSO, of all the information they could have released, deemed the confirmation of the conversation between Granny Hollars and Tommy important enough to confirm?
But why they think Haleigh is dead is not important enough to release?
Hopefully I am just in a sarcastic mood and PCSO is doing this all for a calculated reason to bring this case to a logical conclusion. We are so far from a “logical” conclusion!
m2c I am not sure what is going on but I have not seen any response from Crystal or her family members in regards to being told that they should plan for a funeral?
You said Ron “and” the bioMom’s side of the family. How do we know what Crystal or her family member’s were told exactly either?
LE has not confirmed that they had indeed told the family (both sides) that they should prepare for funeral arrangements. I don’t know but it seems to me to have been comments made that would have been followed up by a press release with those same comments I would think?
I’m confused on that whole issue.
I read somewhere something to the affect that Ron wasn’t upset with Misty or something close to that but I cannot find the link. Does anyone else have it or know where I can find it again?
tia
I do apologize for my comments that were off topic earlier. I just read back and noticed where I said “Operation Hickory Nut Crunch” and I thought maybe m2c meant her comments there after towards me. I’m fairly sure most have seen that movie and I was jokingly giving the movie a faux name. (At the end of the movie the male perp got another one of those right after they got busted on their scheme.)
Again,
I apologize.
Not sure how this is going to turn out. But, sure Ron had custody when HaLeigh went missing, now behind bars. Crystal is the bio-mom and has custody of Jr. Being that Crystal is bio mom, thinking that she may have the authority. Anyone else have any info on this for memorial/funeral arrangements??
Casey Anthony had to giver permission for her parents to do the arrangements for her. Then she was not allowed to attend the memorial.
Interesting how this is going to pan out.
Tuff Stuff:
Go to Radionewz blog. You can find that comment there on the right side of the page highlighted in blue.
Both the comment about “preparing” for the funeral and Ron not being upset with Misty came directly from Ron’s attorney on First Coast News (two links/two different articles):
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=154906
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=154929&provider=top
I am begining to think Ron’s attorney is a real moron. Today on Nancy Grace he was pointing the finger at Misty and not Joe???? Then in the FCN interview he kindof laughs. He always seems like a deer in the headlights when dealing with the media. Obviously doing this pro bono and trying to make a name for himself.
Sorry, Armando – but to me, Dave is more interesting, and speaks very well. I don’t listen to the show often, but if not mistaken, I have heard you on it before (a show about drugs, in which you were billed as an expert of sorts), but you didn’t say much.
Simon invited Dave to talk about the Strickland situation, and you to talk with others on a different topic. Simon chose to talk with Dave first, and he asked questions of Dave, and listened to his answers.
At the least, out of respect for your host, don’t you think you sould refrain from bashing one of his guests (a first-time one at the center of a current controversy that has resulted in the replacement of a judge in the CA case).
If Simon invites Dave to the next show, should he feel uncomfortable about also inviting you because he knows you insulted Dave?
Armando, (I guess that’s your name, because I didn’t bother to pay attention to you, as I am so much more important, and the show is supposed to be about me, not that new guy named Dave talking about a judge).
Thanks Karon. I’ll go look now.
Frankly speaking IMO regarding the attorneys involved in this case – I think Joe Overstreet has the best attorney that might work in his favor if they don’t find forensic evidence to link him to the crime. Joe has NOT spoken in 14 months I’m sure at the advice of his attorney. Don’t forget he was accused very early on and could of done many media interviews to defend himself. And when he did finally talk on TV his attorney was by his side both proclaiming his innocence and pointing the finger to people whose storys have changed. His attorney was on NG today cleary stating his clients innocence. He was there for one reason only. Meanwhile Misty and Tommy have been yapping their mouths and creating lie after lie and meeting with LE without their attorney’s present. Who is a jury going to believe if there is no forensic evindence? Meanwhile Ron’s attorney says the stupidest things in interviews and goes on Nancy Grace to speculate about the case. Ron, Misty and Tommy do not have lawyers that are able to control their clients or the case to their benefit at this stage in the game. If Joe did it, I sure hope there is strong foresnic evidence because if not, I am afraid he could get off if the only evidence is Misty and Tommy’s eye witness and words. Joe’s attorney will crush them. I think LE knows this and that is why the NEED forensic evidence before they make any arrests.
OT for one more comment to Armando: No one can waste your day, but you. You’re to blame for wasting your day, not Dave.
Dave was invited on Simon’s TALK-SHOW to talk, and that is what he did – LOL!
Play the game, play the game – even if it’s the blame game?
tommy told his wife “they want me to LIE and say joe did it”..well hes lying now and if misty did wright that letter it was because of the TORTURE like pressure they are putting on her..LE is forcing them both to finger joe because they BLEW the investigation from the beggining..the BUFFOONS!
Tuff Stuff:
That is under Police thought they could get Misty to Crack on Radionewz blog.
I am encouraged to read about Marie’s post that they, too, are skeptical with respect to Haleigh’s life or death status. I hope that LE is pushing this hard so that the whole story comes out, “calling out the bluff.” If not, what a comedy. Or tragedy. In Greek literature, one means the opposite now than it did then, I think. Very confusing, appropriate for this case…
Jason are you Jay? I like your posts
hey guys! there ya are,lol
I’ve been on a different thread!
OJ – I hope LE has good forensic evidence on Joe because Joe’s attorney will fry them and get his client off if all they are relying on is Misty and Tommys’ “finger pointing” at Joe. All they have to do is play the sound clip of Misty blaiming “the other side of the family” to discredit her on blaming Joe. I do agree with you though that LE has really messed up this invesigation from the beggining.
What do you guys think of the rope tied onto the back of the door of the mobile home Ron was renting?
It looks a bit yellow to me, but not really really yellow.
kitty kat, Joes’ attorney is ice-cold, steel-eyed, to Geraldo, but huggy soft with his boy Joe.
IMO, his frozen, cold face and indirect answers to Geraldo’s questions make Joe appear guilty.
Joe’s not talking to the media, so the public is left to form an opinion of Joe based on his ice cold attorney.
Ron’s friendly, talkative attorney could help gain public support for Ron.
LE has nothing on joe or anybody else..the pressure from LE placed on Misty has backfired! Now everybody is saying anything to stop the TORTURE like pressure they have been put under.
LE has bungled this case from the beginning..the only one who plead was ron’s cousin sykes and listening to her tape she didn’t even know what “no contest” meant! absolute blunder by LE!
Another thing – Ron being in jail, Crystal is the next of kin to Haleigh and the one to make any funeral arrangements.
Not Ron’s family.
It doesn’t sound like Ron’s attorney was in the room and he is getting his info from his client, who is prone to tell lies.
Jason – Well I would definatley prefer to hang out with and go to dinner with Ron’s attorney. A much more likable guy. BUT I think Joe’s attorney has played it smart by keeping is client underwraps and not letting him talk to the media while all the others are digging verbal holes for themselves with recorded inconsistent and changing stories. For what it’s worth I think Joe is guilty and his attorney knows it but is playing the right game. He is just going by the letter of the law “Reasonable Dought” If they do not have any hard core foresnic evidence against Joe there is plenty of reasonable dought to play with Misty and Tommy’s words. who cares if he is ice cold and nobody likes him.
Hi, AnneInTn!
I’m Jason. I appreciate your saying that you like my posts, especially now, as I am certain some are not happy with my comments to Armando.
Well Jason we all have our opinions.lol
CathyJo63 said,in April 19th, 2010 at 9:29 pm hey guys! there ya are,lol
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Cathy where the heck have you been. I missed ya.
Crystal’s myspace page is updated… the mood/comments are… in case anyone wants to kinda/maybe get a sense as to the news they received!
**Not saying you will find out, what it is you want to know**
**So don’t hound me about speculating/guessing**
wow that’s telling, beautiful.
So there is something to inform us of.
Marie must be wrong. Whoever Maria is.
Random… IMO there is!
kitty kat, I like your cute nic! I, too, think Joe’s attorney is wise to keep Joe away from the media – for damage control, as Joes’ personna (guilty or not) would be a disaster (although his attorney’s personna is just about as bad IMO).
I’m reading guilt in Joe’s attorney; his indirect answers are the primary reason (does a long song and dance when responding to simple ‘yes or no’ questions from Geraldo).
Joe and Ron are not in the media, their attorney’s are. We see Joe through his cold, steely-eyed attorney, and Ron through his very affable, friendly, seemingly open and honest attorney.
The overall impression is Joe – cold, Ron – warm.
If Haleigh has been murdered, a cold-hearted person did it. Rules out Ron (based on the impression their attorneys give).
Hey, CathyJo! How you doin’?
Does court of public opinion really matter in a case? Not sure it does, but just the fact the attorneys are being interviewed makes it seem to me that it does.
Why would they spend EXPENSIVE time talking to the media, if it couldn’t benefit their client in some way?
Jason said,
in April 19th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
OT for one more comment to Armando: No one can waste your day, but you. You’re to blame for wasting your day, not Dave.
Dave was invited on Simon’s TALK-SHOW to talk, and that is what he did – LOL!
Play the game, play the game – even if it’s the blame game?
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Jason, I thought Dave was just a call in.
Regardless, Armando is a personal friend of Simon’s and is secure enough in that relationship to express his feelings. He had also just given up much of his personal time to be a reporter for Simon and I am sure feels he has earned the right to express how he feels. He was on the ground right there during the boat dock search and may have had some good info to give us if Dave had not talked more then any other guest, if he was more then a caller. Not griping at you just wanted to make sure you are aware.
I always figure lawyers go on t.v to taint jury pools.
But I think in Ron’s case it’s a bit different. He needs representation because it’s his flesh that is missing/dead. Same with Crystal, she needed representation because she is the bio mom.
But why is JO’s attorney on tv, when his boy isn’t even in jail?
Misty nor Tommy’s attorney’s are on talking.
Jason – thanks for the props on my nic. My name is Katherine and people call me Kat thus Kitty Kat for the blog nic.
Well I guess it takes a cold steely-eyed attorney to defend a cold blooded killer. For some reason I don’t think Ron’s attorney would be defending him if he thought Ron was guilty. But then there is Jose Baez – guess that ruins the theory!
Hi CathyJo!!!!!! Good to see your post!!!!!
Thinking out loud here but I wonder if LE ever checked Hank Sr. home for eveidence sence he was in hospital that nite. Dont think they were home. JMO
misty has a terrible attorney…she needs a spokesperson NOW!!! Shes being vilified and crucified by NG! its dispicable what LE has done to her…what happen to innocent ti proven guilty? For SHAME on LE! they botched the case from the beginning!
Very good AnneIn… remember the daughter-in-law saying that it couldn’t be Hank Sr. unless he was kind of Magic Man?
OJ – I absolutely agree with you that Misty has a horrible attorney. Really bad. Who is this guy? He has never once appeared by her side or defended her and the entire time has let her dig a hole so deep that I am afraid she will not be able to get out of if she truley is innocent (but sorry I think she is involved). He should of never let her go out to that doc. The blunders are so bad from LE and her attorney sometimes I think that this is one HUGE sting operation and LE, Misty and her attorney are all in on it.
Hi, Treece, I appreciate your civil comment; was afraid I’d hear a vicious backlash (not from you of course, neccessarily (lol).
Sunday’s show was a ‘Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony’ update, and Simon wrote on a blog page before the show that the “exact makeup of the panel was still being ironed out”.
I think Dave was invited to talk about the judge Strickland situation that involved him.
I understand Armando has ‘been on the ground’ in Florida, giving updates, and I’ve seen photos of the dock area that he took and Simon posted.
That’s great, and appreciated!
kitty kat, your intuitiveness might be correct: “For some reason I don’t think Ron’s attorney would be defending him if he thought Ron was guilty.”
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 19th, 2010 at 10:32 pm Very good AnneIn… remember the daughter-in-law saying that it couldn’t be Hank Sr. unless he was kind of Magic Man?
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cent me and a good friend of mind was talking about this.But Le could have checke his place for dna or some sort of eveidence.jmo
enuf with the dave comments..he hijacked the show..peroid!
kitty kat: I posted that a month ago that misty’s attorney was working with LE..its sickening how under represented she is!
Hi CathyJoe.
Where have you been? Computer problems again? You are missing out on the beginning of the end from the looks of it. It’s sad news, however.:(
O.J:
I might agree with you about her lawyer. We can’t be sure what is really going on, but she is either not listening to him, or he is not helping much.
AnneIn, that comment of the daughter-in-law was weird to me. I guess I should go back and look at the vid again, cause she said it like he was under the “microscope”!
Will do that tomorrow… too tired now!
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 19th, 2010 at 10:50 pm AnneIn, that comment of the daughter-in-law was weird to me. I guess I should go back and look at the vid again, cause she said it like he was under the “microscope”!
Will do that tomorrow… too tired now!
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I am to tired too. Will try to help you tomorrow. Nite all. Praying for the truths to come out.
AnneInTn,
Good point – she could have been taken to Hank and Lisa’s (house or apartment?). If their home was next to Tom and Lindsy’s, the dog may have barked because Haleigh was being taken there, or removed, as the barking dog complaint was made around the time Misty called 911.
Without a search warrant, police would have needed permission to search from Hank/Lisa.
Jason:
These lawyers are probably working for free to get the attention of being a lawyer on a high profile case. Some of them will jump before a camera every chance they get.
Misty’s lawyer being so silent, makes me wonder why. I would be willing to say he will drop her if she goes to trial for Haleigh’s disappearance.
Does anyone know if Ron has had a poly? Today on Simon’s show, one of the guests came out of left field and said that she thought that Misty was having sex with both Tommy and Joe and that it was obvious. What? NG asked Granny if Tommy and Joe had molested Haleigh. Which one is it? Where are all of these stories coming from????
Marybeth: Hey, I totally agree, but it’s fallin’ on deaf ears, I keep saying the same thing. Makes sense, good point about the dogs, they did end a scent at a different area (the pond behind MH?), but PCSO stated (can’t believe they admitted this) that they never searched that boat ramp area in question….
Gee, and about 2 miles away from the MH, thanks PCSO.
Like I keep saying Where doesn’t equal When.
Random Thoughts: Joe isn’t arrested yet cuz they are waiting to get DNA evidence.
Thanks, Karon – I can see where performing well in a high-profile case could further their careers, put more money in their pockets down the road.
badcat, Cobra mentioned Tom and Misty being the reason for the couch bouncing, and the female guest who represents a group against predators agreed with him.
Jason said,in April 19th, 2010 at 10:58 pm AnneInTn,
Good point – she could have been taken to Hank and Lisa’s (house or apartment?). If their home was next to Tom and Lindsy’s, the dog may have barked because Haleigh was being taken there, or removed, as the barking dog complaint was made around the time Misty called 911.
Without a search warrant, police would have needed permission to search from Hank/Lisa
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Yes an remember when Timmy and Chelsa moved theres a pic of furtiure thowed away in front of their house for garbage man to pick up?jmo
Jason said,in April 19th, 2010 at 11:11 pm badcat, Cobra mentioned Tom and Misty being the reason for the couch bouncing, and the female guest who represents a group against predators agreed with him.
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Now how would Cobra know this?jmo
RandomThoughts: Ron is in jail, not dead. If anyone is going to do ANYTHING for Haleigh it will be him. He has every right to do whatever he needs to do for his daughter.
Sorry, just a little bent. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be in jail and shackled when you find out your daughter is dead.
Looks like Ron will probably need to plan more than one funeral, imo. I hope he kills whoever did it.
I wish I could bail him out!!! Got the money, but hubby won’t let me!! (I would,too) (and no, I’m not crazy) Doubt if anyone else would let me either!! I’ll have to get in line with Nancy on that one. We can do rock paper scissors to see who gets 1st dibs on bailin’ our boy out!
I’m not buying into the couch bouncing because of Tommy and Misty. I mean come on.
Misty did say in her letter Joe raped her twice. She doesn’t say if it was that night, but what if it was?
What if the couch bouncing was Joe raping Misty? With a knife to her neck?
Just thinking out loud.
Yes – just where did he get that information? He sounded sincere, and I’m rather surprised it hasn’t been discussed here yet.
Ronfan, I understand what you are saying, but I just buried my 18 year old daughter in January and I know the protocol for next of kin.
Ron doesn’t even have the right to vote at this point.
As her mother, Crystal now has legal rights since he is incarcerated.
WHY ON THE HOME PAGE, IS THE CAPE COD CONNECTION FROM 9-08-09 POPPING UP on related articles?? Ummmmm…any thoughts?
I wonder if Simon is trying to hint at something….
For the sanity of myself, would someone please agree with me about Timmy and Chelsea having something to do with this?!!!
Some of Misty’s calls she is talking bad about her attorney. She was asked if she needed a public defender and said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
She can always ask the court to release that attorney on record and get a PD.
Misty is young, but no doubt she has some street smarts and wants chit her way. She is not being railroaded. She knows what happened and she is pointing the finger at others. Ron trying to defend her through her lawyer is telling also.
Random Thoughts, why would you know that protocol specifically? Please don’t tell me that not only did u lose a child, but it concerned something with LE as well, I’m so sorry that you EVEN have to know that.
18, my god, I am so sorry for your loss, I am going to go kiss my 15 yr old goodnight again.
I can’t imagine how it feels, it must be the most horrible thing in the world. There is nothing to sugarcoat that.
Well I agree with Jays earlier post here today but cant help but wonder things. All kinds of thoughts runs thru our minds.jmo Goodnite again.
Jason said,in April 19th, 2010 at 11:11 pm badcat, Cobra mentioned Tom and Misty being the reason for the couch bouncing, and the female guest who represents a group against predators agreed with him.
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And that was brought up after people on here and other sites revisited the “bouncing”. All those players and PI’s read the blogs. pftttt He can get sued for that and Art/Nancy for accusing Joe IF IF IF IF they ever found a lawyer to take the case for them to sue them.
Random Thoughts, what was your daughter’s name, so we can pray for you? Everyone has a name.
ron can vote and hasn’t his parental rights..you are WRONG!!
I believe that they all may have very well at minimum had some knowledge of what had happened that night Ronfan. Hope that helps.
Random thoughts I had no idea and I am so sorry to hear that. (((((((HUGS)))))))
Random Thoughts,
I’m wondering if Misty’s mind really is quite messed up; more than we can even imagine.
I’ve read bits and pieces about a sexual crime against her years ago, with the perpetrator still in jail, but she did not receive counseling.
Adding to that her allegations that Joe molested her makes her the victim of at least two sexual assaults.
To me, Joe doesn’t look like much of a physical threat to Misty, but I suspect it is very possible she is fearful of him, if true she was his victim in the past.
The state police notified us the parents because we are her next of kin. They did not notify her boyfriend whom she was living with.
That is really a flimsy example.
Let’s say there is a benefit to help bury Haleigh. Who do you think would be named next of kin to oversee monies collected? Are they going to let Ron handle that from jail or would it make more sense for Crystal to step up to the plate and handle it?
If Ron gets bailed out, that’s a different ballgame. All Crystal has to do is push the issue to take charge.
My heart breaks for Ron and Crystal. I don’t believe he is involved and nothing has been presented except speculation to make me feel he is involved. However, I think he was involved with drugs, which put his children in dire danger. People on drugs make bad decisions.
I agree with you, something isn’t right with Timmy and Chelsea. Lindsay said that Chelsea was grilled for 14 hours by detectives. That’s crazy.
Ronfan, I see no reason to rule out involvement by Chelsea and Timmy.
Most people do sit things outside the home for the garbage pickup when they are moving or hoping someone will pick it up for free. Has nothing to do with the case. Where do others take unwanted items when moving? It’s illegal to dump stuff or place in public dumpsters. Unwanted, dirty damaged or trash is just trash and put on the street when people move.
tuffstuff, I needed a good hug, thank you.
Jason, I agree, Joe is scrawny. If he was stoned like she said, you would think she could drop kick him. But if he had a knife, that would be a game changer.
To me, Joe doesn’t look like much of a physical threat to Misty, but I suspect it is very possible she is fearful of him, if true she was his victim in the past
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She’s pretty cozy with him in that picture at the skating rink. She’s a liar.
Didn’t Chelsea and Timmy give conflicting statements about that night?
You’re More than welcome RT.
Thnk u to all of u who sent ur interest in th book and th kind words.
There r only a few copies left, but if u want one I’ll make arrangents. Send info to http://www.mando4jaime@gmail.com and I’ll get it shipped out.
Sry. Back to what’s important. I will b posting an article of what I experienced at th scene of th search. I truly believe tht LE found enough to conclude any other searches. Just a matter of time till th accused becomes th convicted.
I don’t know what they said, but Chelsea looked like death warmed over on NG the other night.
Eithe she is sickly, on drugs, or something is eating her alive.
Random Thoughts – yes – Joe with a knife would be a game changer. The degree to which depends on how wasted he is, and how helpless she feels.
I wonder if she was truthful about being afraid to be alone with him, and only going around him when others were nearby [when she felt safe by the presence of others].
I am wondering if Tommy and Joe took her to the shed behind the Croslin’s, first. TC used to hide the things he had stolen there. They may have had to move her in a hurry when they heard LE was bringing search dogs out, that night. None of them may have been expecting such a quick response with bringing the dogs out. I remember something being said about Tommy giving permission for them to search his place. He, also, said something about Haleigh’s scent could be at their place, because Haleigh was over there nearly every day. This was on some of the early reports. Do any of the rest of you remember anything about all of that?
I would like to know if those dogs reacted to that shed. When I heard about TC hiding stolen items out there, the first thing I thought about was people usually follow the same patterns.
Looking forward to the update Armando.
Goodnight all.
misty has been SET UP like a bowling pin! Those drunken corrupt cops couldn’t solve a crossword puzzle! the idiots!! The pressure (TORTURE) applied to misty is to distract from LE’s bungling of the case!! all of LE.. the cops and DA’s office are trying to find a scapegoat to distract from their ignorant stupid bungling of the haleigh investigation! the MORONS!!!
Hey, Karon! Splendid, my dear Watson!
“TC used to hide the things he had stolen there”
Question is: WHEN did he STOP hiding stolen things there?
My biggest problem about Joe bothering Misty that night and her being afraid of him is this. Misty had two brothers and a decent size Father. You would think if he bothered her in the past – she would have told her Father that she didn’t want Joe to come to Florida to visit in the first place.
These people tell each other they love one another, every other word in these videos but yet it’s okay for Joe to come around. It’s okay for him to stay at homes where there are small children. Did the brothers and Father not know what she alledged? Did they know and put it in their past and move forward? All I hear Hank Sr. say on tape is that Joe is crazy. I don’t hear him say, we should have never allowed Joe to visit us here.
It’s probably him but what in the world would be the family dynamics to allow him back into the fold?
Karon, didn’t the 911 operator tell Misty that LE was bringing dogs? I’m almost certain Misty relayed to Ron (in the 911 recording)that LE was bringing dogs.
Random Thoughts, you make very valid points for questioning the alleged fear Misty has for Joe.
its not a perfect world random thoughts..majority of people would expect you to solve your own problems…
most sexual assault victims would tell the fewest people possible imo
OJ’s glove said,in April 20th, 2010 at 12:05 am misty has been SET UP like a bowling pin! Those drunken corrupt cops couldn’t solve a crossword puzzle! the idiots!! The pressure (TORTURE) applied to misty is to distract from LE’s bungling of the case!! all of LE.. the cops and DA’s office are trying to find a scapegoat to distract from their ignorant stupid bungling of the haleigh investigation! the MORONS!!!
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What is your expertise? Who said the cops are drunks? Is there any corrobating information to back up this claim?
Please post your links to the info that the LE have and their bungling of the case. Please post any inside source that states they have screwed up. TIA
Why haven’t you solved the puzzle? Please do tell.
Jason
I took nothing u said remotely personal. And I never bashed dear Dave, maybe u should of read th chat room. I just thought more valuable info could of been discussed. Thank god th investigator from Maine called in.
As far as u criticizing me, go ahead, I’m am author I get tht all th time. I think its awsome to voice ur opinion. I have my own as well…sry but u r no part of it. I have way too much on my plate and too much love in my heart to critique u.
Blessings to you!
Thank you Haleigh…Rest in Peace
Tonite AnneInTn brought up the fact Hank and Lisa were not home, and Karon hit on Tom having a habit of stashing stolen goods in his backyard shed.
Habits aren’t easy to break – so, IMO it is highly possible that Tom, if he ‘stole’ Haleigh, took her to the shed, and the dog barked incessantly.
IF yellow rope was used, did Tom get the rope from the shed? Was Haleigh tied up at the shed?
Thanks, Armando. Great that we can respectfully disagree!
wrong! jason…you bashed armando several times..
and when he calls you out you change your tune..whimp!
Jason it was divulged on NG tonight that Tommy told investigators that he had two types of rope in the van that was borrowed and one of them (the yellow rope) was gone that next morning.
It was also stated that he stopped by at 6 that evening to smoke a joint with his sister. Which is creepy to me at least.Lol
Then LP pointed out (announced at another site) that rope is tied around the back door handle of the mobile home Ron rented. He noticed it in an early video of the mobile home showing the door that had been propped open. It does have a bit of a yellow tint to it.
But I don’t know.
And on JVM the other disturbing thing that was put forward was the possibility deer blood was put on her body to ensure the gators bit.
Sick and demented stuff surfacing.
Jason:
Yes the 911 operator told RC that they were bringing dogs. I am sure they knew they didn’t have long, but the dog search may have caused more panic. If they took her there, they wouldn’t have intended to keep her there long. A lot of their actions would have depended on, if this were planned in advance, or an accident.
Proceeding with my thoughts when Anne and Karon brought up about the shed and nobody home at Hank/Lisa’s house:
Tom has a history of breaking and entering, and a habit of hiding the things he steals in his backyard shed.
Haleigh is ‘stolen’, taken to the shed where yellow rope is retrieved, then moved to Hank and Lisa’s (Tom or someone else breaks in, or had a key).
The dog barks incessantly, neighbors call 911.
Where was this deer that Tommy had killed? Was it in the shed?
Was the dogs barking because they were getting deer blood?
I bet Joe was there for hunting and fishing. I bet it was dear season and that is what his trip was all about.
this ‘dog ‘ thing is overblown..they were cadaver dogs not tracking bloodhound dogs.. the cadaver dogs wouldn’t sense ‘cadaver’ DECAY until hours after demise..haleigh was long gone before then. She LIVED there for petes sake! Her scent was EVERYWHERE! This is another DISTRACTION by the inept bungling moronic police force!! LE wants to pin the blame on ANYBODY to distract from their inept drunken bungling of the haleigh investigation!!
Misty is INNOCENT!!!
Random Thoughts, we don’t know whether he’s telling the truth about “two types of rope in the van that was borrowed and one of them (the yellow rope) was gone that next morning”.
So, according to their claims, the van was moved, and yellow rope was stolen from it, and Chelsea, Timmy, Tom, or Lindsy did not move the van or steal the rope.
I just looked gun season was in. Makes sense why they wanted to nab up on Ron’s prized rifle.
Random Thoughts, Tom saying yellow rope was stolen from the van makes it seem Flora could be telling the truth.
I ownder if Tom took the yellow rope from the van, and is lieing when he says it was stolen.
You’re right Jason it is all according to their claims.
I didn’t know a complaint had been made about barking dogs. I thought a cop was at a call over someone being drunk. When they put forth the possibility that deer blood was put on her body to insure the gators bit, I thought ‘where would someone get deer blood from that time of night?’
That coupled with dogs barking made me think the deer may have been slaughtered close to the shed.
I really doubt that they would have to put deer blood on a child for an alligator to get them. Those things come up in people’s yards and get their dogs.
I can’t see the yellow rope as being evidence, unless they found it tied to the cinderblock in just the way Tommy described. A lot of men have yellow rope in their garages.
I don’t know if they still have it or not, but they did have a certain time to hunt alligators in Florida. Some of the local people could tell us that.
Whimp?? LOL – surely you jest!
There is something more going on about this gun than we know. I wonder if this is the same gun RC and Cuz had the fight over, earlier. I wonder if RC traded the gun to Cuz for drugs, or something like that, then took it back and accused Cuz of stealing it. Joe vowing revenge. Something is just not right about all of this fighting over this gun. Then Joe and TC went over to steal RC’s gun, again, the night Haleigh disappeared.
Random Thoughts, from what I understand the police were called on a complaint about Tom and Lindsy’s dog barking incessantly.
You are right karon. It would take a really diabolical mind and quite a bit of forethought to even consider using deer blood to attract gators to a live or dead body.
I don’t know why the theory was put forth on JVM. My husband said doing something like that would come from the mind of a hunter. He just keeps saying ‘these people are bad seeds.’
How do they hunt for gators in Fl.? Do they use weapons or hunks of meat to lure them?
and don’t forget the stolen checks and GUN from the blind neighbor..
Random Thoughts,
My sympathy to you for the loss of your daughter in January. May peaceful, and happy memories of her life comfort you.
Thanks Jason, that means a lot. It still feels unreal. They say a person goes through all these stages of grief, but I can’t get past the shock of it. My daughter knew I followed this case and it helps somewhat to focus on justice for Haleigh.
My daughter hit an ice patch, rolled her vehicle twice but her seatbelt saved her life. She was up out of the car picking glass out of her hair, when another car hit the same ice patch, stuck her jeep, pinning her underneath and she died of mechanical asphyxiation. A true freak accident. But poor Haleigh, there isn’t nothing to justify it being an accident.
It’s either a vengeful act by someone or Child abuse at the hands of someone. Applying occams razor it’s more than likely child abuse and they just didn’t have enough to go forward.
Thanks again for your kind comment. Goodnite.
Hi Everyone, I think it’d be sweet to have some new jailhouse visit/phone calls, can I get a Hell Yeah?
Afterthought, it will probably be intriguing to re-watch/listen to them after/if(?) we finally find out the truth.
Goodnite Random Thoughts, Lynny, and anyone else who may still be here!
Peter:
”As this fascinating case continues to unfold, I plan to be on this Sunday’s show regarding Statement Analysis.”
Really looking forward to this show. Dropped in on your blog, very interesting.
HollysGmom:
Truth is stranger than fiction, isn’t it? The Perry/Mason duo reeks of karma. Buying time can truly backfire. If I recall correctly, Perry Mason never lost a case.
m2c♥ thanks, lets see if it works :o)
NOT sitting on blog today, have Dr visits….
Watched NG last night. Again, why couldn’t she get thrown in a river???
She is tough to watch.
Per AH homepage, and I realize alot of you don’t trust him, but I do, Ron & Crystal have been 100% cleared in this case.
Ronald’s attorney was on JVM and I LMAO~~He stated that Ron was only doing the drug deal because he wanted to get “closer” to Misty.
The entire paneled died laughing. Apparently this is coming from Ron’s mother, who told the attorney this.
MOTHER’S – We can always count on them!!
m2c♥ – didn’t work for me. Oh well. lol
Hi, BOLDONE. Just type the colon and immediately after it with no space, type the )
It will work! But won’t show until you post your comment. 🙂
NG 4/19/10: What in the world does RC’s attorney find so funny about the funeral? It’s around the 4:00 mark. Jeez, dude- get a grip!
Let me stand corrected. RC’s attorney called the ‘memorial’ a ‘funeral’. I’m sorry, but smirking on the show during a time like this (he does it more than once) is probably the only time I’ve seen anyone laugh in over 14 months. Everybody knows how NG is, now try to keep from laughing Sir! I suppose you think that impeding an investigation is funny too?
try again 🙂
I did it!!!!!! :o)
NO it didn’t!!O)
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Sorry…I need a break…tt you all later.
Random Thoughts said,in April 20th, 2010 at 1:20 How do they hunt for gators in Fl.? Do they use weapons or hunks of meat to lure them?
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The closest thing to compare it to would be shark fishing..
You chum for sharks buy using blood and lots of bait to attract them to your baited hook.
Gators, unlike shark fishing, you can track down where they are at, you can see them, but you still lure them with bait,chicken, beef parts or Game hunting scraps, things like that.
You fight to real them in, just like shark fishing and you use a bang stick once you bring them in to kill them, just like you do with sharks.
Random Thoughts – I am so sorry for your loss.
What Granny Flora said on NG a few days ago was very harsh to take in, that she didn’t even know if Haleigh were deceased when …well you hopefully already know what I am pertaining to.
The dogs had hit on the dumpster as we all know and the dogs alerted at the water also right?
I wonder what if any evidence were found on the boat? I forget what type of boat that was exactly maybe someone else might recall?
I wonder if there were any fingerprints, DNA or touch DNA found on the boat?
Just got done watching Nancy Grace’s video about the rope and cinder block findings along with interviewing Ron’s lawyer. Goodness, I have to say I like Nancy Grace in that I think she has a heart for finding justice and truth for children in her own way, but she was harsh on him and he was trying so much to be civil. She kept bringing up his reputation as sterling so what, a threat so he would give info that he doesn’t have? That was manipulation and she was trying hard to get the info out that he obviously didn’t have or, certainly isn’t going to tell her. Jeez!
Michelle,
I could not agree more. I kept talking to my computer to tell her shut up, but she just kept talking. Hee hee. I also laugh when she’s been mean the entire time, and then she switches like Jeckyl and Hide whenever she start talking about her twins. LOL
LE goes all quiet again. I wonder if we are in for another long quiet spell from them again?
Rons lawyer sure is out and about doing interviews and NG. Makes you wonder why if he is only deffending Ron in his drug case or is it for the Haleigh case too. They also need to ask him why he didnt hire a PI like Ron and he said at one time. funny how that never came about.jmo
BOLDONE – leave out the circle.
No – :o)
Yes – : ), but no spaces.
lol Shockwave! would hate to be on the receiving end of her show. She’s a meanie lol
You’re right. RC’s attorney handled it good, just in case they want to invite him back on the show in the future. I just thought that in light of the seriousness of the case here, laughing was out of line for the Father of the deceased. Come to think of it, RC used to laugh now and then during interviews.
I like the caller on NG that asked a question about Ron lol NG face on that one said it all She is biased as H3!!. lol jmo
Of course the attorney’s are in this for fame. Why not?? There not getting paid much!!!
I liked cousin Joe’s attorney standing his ground with NG. I don’t forsee him returning to her show. As a matter of fact, why do people even go on her show when they know her behavior??
As far as LE keeping quiet for the next few days..weeks…I see it happening. JMO
Thanks My2C 🙂
Random thoughts, so sorry about the loss of your daughter. How sad. What a way to start a new year. You will certainly be included in my thoughts and prayers.
IMO, Ron’s attorney is not doing him any favors. LE has not publically cleared Ron in Haleigh’s case. Ron’s attorney is acting like Ron has been cleared in Haleigh’s case. However, any attorney worth a grain of salt knows that the Supreme Court ruled that LE is allowed to lie/trick suspects/persons of interest.
Why in the world did Ron’s attorney allow Ron to meet with LE without him? Ron’s attorney said that LE met with Ron privately than with Ron and his family last week. Ron’s attorney should have been there right next to his client.
Ron’s attorney keeps saying that he wasn’t there and is only repeating what Ron has told him. But is it Ron that is saying that LE told him to start planning for a funeral or Ron’s attorney saying that?
The other family members seems to be saying that until they have “proof” that Haleigh is dead, they will not believe it. Ron’s attorney is making it sound like Ron accepted it immediately. That in itself would have LE questioning why Ron and his attorney so readily believe Haleigh is dead.
Okay. Let me get this straight. Misty’s lawyer is suspicious because he doesn’t show himself or speak much in public and Ron’s lawyer is suspicious because he does.
Please tell me how you think the lawyers should behave. Is there anything they could do that would be reasonable, understandable and/or acceptable?
I liked cousin Joe’s attorney. Ron’s attorney likes to smile alot for the camera…however, he is OK. However, I “thought” I heard about a month ago that RC & CS were 100% cleared. Then I heard it again last night from AH.
As far as Misty’s attorney goes, would you want to show your face?? What an embarrassment that piece of garbage is!
Staying off of NG would be a plus if it was my lawyer. Misty has probably told Fields how much she hates NG and thats why he isnt there.
We all know Ron is looked at in a different light so of course his lawyer is going on NG.
Rons lawyer did say the info came from Ron about the funeral arrangements and that he was not there at the meeting. jmo
action news jax top stories story Haleighs family is planning her funeral
I saw that too Cent. It’s heartbreaking. There are several article links at SM that I saw about that.
So sad.
I havent heard LE say anyone is cleared. The last statement they made was that everyone was a suspect and they arent having tunnel vision. jmo
No matter what had been said thus far or even what I may have believed had happened I was desperately searching for a glimmer of hope. I guess I still am I don’t know. I read that stuff though and it feels like getting a sock in the gut all over again.
Goodmorning everyone, I have been reading all the post. I think both attorneys handled NG very well. I for one do not believe though that Ronald was out drug trafficking to get close to Misty to find out what happened to his daughter. That is just his new defense strategy.
Anybody talking now to LE and before this search will recant! Wait and see! When it comes down to arrests, all will claim they were pressured by LE. And Misty`s lawyer would never set foot on NG because she would tear him to shreds. Why would he set himself up for that abuse?
Anybody talking now to LE and before this search will recant! Wait and see! When it comes down to arrests, all will claim they were pressured by LE. And Misty`s lawyer would never set foot on NG because she would tear him to shreds. Why would he set himself up for that abuse?
Does anyone else think it’s a bit premature to be planning a memorial or funeral before any evidence that a death has definitely occurred is made public? Before any arrests for murder are made? SOMETHING!?
Hey ya’ll I wanna’ learn how to make smiley faces too. can someone explain it to me like you would to a five year old…? else wize I won’t understand!
Jay said,in April 19th, 2010 at 12:59 pm The police obviously have no new information aside from the speculative “story” that has been told to them by Tommy Croslin. They are attempting to use the media to convince all the players that someone has talked. When, in fact, nobody has said word one. They want to scare someone into telling a story that doesn’t exist.
I think the possibility that someone outside of the police and media circle took this little girl is very real. The police don’t know anything, and they are no closer today to solving this crime than they were a yr ago. The reason is simple, they have focused on a very small group of individuals. And they have done so at the expense of finding the real perpetrator. THIS CASE WILL NEVER BE SOLVED !!!!!
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Jay where are you? I agree with you about this post.
nethinks you type : and then ) but leave no spaces in between.
“Methinks” not nethinks lol 🙂 .
In the reports they have sent items(plural) to several (plural) different labs (plural). To me this reads like more was found than 2 cinder blocks. I believe they will find bone shards in the silt they retrieved from the river. And who knows what they found before the search even began. jmo
I still think that something happened to Haleigh before Tommy and joe got there. They were called to help hide the body and stage a kidnapping. I think the reason Joe can’t do much to defend himself is that perhaps the gun was traded to ron for drugs…ron was allowed to keep it for a few days to try it out maybe…when it came time to pay for the gun (which may have been hot,stolen by joe) ron didn’t come up with the drugs so when joe showed up and ron was gone to “werk” he/they searched for the gun and couldn’t find it. Joe was pizzed and needed a fix and was thinking ron ripped him off…so Haleigh was colladeral. I know that contradicts my theory of haleigh being dead when they arrived, but maybe haleigh or Jr found the gun and took it outside to play with it and lost it…or maybe haleigh found the drugs and injested some…(wouldn’t take much for a child her size and with respiratory problems due to turners syndrome) she may have died rather quickly. Now they must find the gun and the drugs and hide evidence (body)jmo
If all of what Jay said were true then why did Granny Flora make the statements that she has made regarding what Misty and Tommy had allegedly told her? And publically at that?
I can tell you:
1. Misty’s 911 call was deceptive based upon the Statement Analysis.
2. A high percentage of domestic homicide 911 calls are made by the murderer. It is more common than most think. There is federal data kept and there are some samples at http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com Scroll down to 911 Analysis, after Misty’s 911 call.
This leads to the natural question:
If Misty’s 911 call tests out to be deceptive:
Why did she need to be deceptive?
Tuff I have to agree! That search cost a pretty penny and I do not see them spending that kind of money without having good reason. It was reported that there was physical evidence found on Monday when Tommy took LE to Shell Harbour and that evidence was credible in which did prompt the search in the St. Johns.river.
Ron has been cleared since July.
I still hold firm to my belief that Ron planted himself in the stupid amateur drug sting or was actually undercover. The latter, of course, would be a dream because then it would mean he isn’t actually in jail, or will be released after this is all over.
He and Jason are too too too close, for that drug sting stuff to be real. Sorry, jmo.
Peter, What were your thoughts or analysis of Rons parts of the 911. When he says f her birthdate and I got better people to talk to.
Why didnt he call first? Why does he get angry when asked what she was wearing and immediatly says he was at work. Would like to hear your thoughts on this. jmo
Ronfan, Dont want to take away your opinion but maybe you better pinch yourself, you are dreaming if you think Ron is undercover.jmo
I dont believe anyone has been cleared in this case. Even now they are all suspects until someone is arrested for the crime. Cleared does not mean you cant be looked at again later. jmo
I do think Rons good buddy John B. informed on them (no honor among theives or drug dealers)and I have to wonder why Ron is friends with a guy who sells stolen guns hmmm? Cobra also saiid at one point Ron has a fasination with guns, he was talking on video about showing his high powered gun to Ron(its on video of Cobra talking to TJ).JMO
m2c said,in April 20th, 2010 at 10:30 am Okay. Let me get this straight. Misty’s lawyer is suspicious because he doesn’t show himself or speak much in public and Ron’s lawyer is suspicious because he does.
Please tell me how you think the lawyers should behave. Is there anything they could do that would be reasonable, understandable and/or acceptable?
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Misty’s attorney is not suspicious. He is doing his job. Atttorneys should never say more than my client did not do it. Especially in a case like this with the lies, speculation and sensationalizism. With all the different people trying to first with the story, many things that are reported as fact are later changed.
Attorneys responding to speculation, even if they say that they are only speculating, end up having it reported as fact. That can hurt their client. IMO, Ron’s attorney is the one who used the word “funeral” but it has been reported that Ron told his attorney that LE said to start planning a “funeral.” If I am right that Ron’s attorney came up with funeral, he just hurt his client. Because LE has to be asking themselves why Ron is thinking in terms of planning a funeral when they never used that word.
What the public thinks does not matter? The only real evidence is the evidence presented in a courtroom. The attorneys need to keep their mouths shut, worry less about their own publicity, and more about defending their clients in a courtroom.
I also wonder why Tommy got all freaked when Hank said they probably had a gps on his van and thats how they knew where he was when they busted him. Tommy says no they cant do that, can they like he was afraid they knew places he was where he shouldnt have been. jmo
random thoughts:
Where did you hear about the hunting thing, cuz it sounds like something the attorney would come up with, but I still won’t buy it.
timeframe is too coincidental.
Whats really creepy is Tommy talking with his son about going fishing when he comes home, on one of the videos. jmo
I see Joe as a possible patsy, I feel it was Timmy who helped that night. Why? Because the whole time we never hear anything from him and he is never around before he leaves for Mass. we see and hear from his wife (alot). Where was he when they asked about the van? Where was he when camera crews were everywhere? He only recently appears in phone calls to Misty and Tommy. Now Tommy let go that Timmy failed a LDT, why? Chelsea has been a source for AH the whole time why? Some of it wasnt in the croslins favor either.Why? I feel Lindsy and Chelsea feared or knew their husbands were involved.jmo
Peter Hyatt your post at 11:17 am and the information found at the link were very fascinating.
Thank you.
One thing I have tossed around for a while now is why is it that Misty was the one to make the 911 call and not Misty?
I wonder also if you were able to hear the recording of that 911 call that was altered so that you could more clearly hear the things that Ron was saying in the background?
Does anyone have the link to the edited version?
oops editing this sentence to add Ron:
One thing I have tossed around for a while now is why is it that Misty was the one to make the 911 call and not Ron?
Sirgo was trying to tell NG that he could not reveal anything about a client’s juvenile record. She all but called him a liar. Sirgo was speaking from an ethics standpoint, and I agree 100% that an ethical attorney would not go on TV and say anything about a client without the client’s specific permission. Sirgo was there to say his client was not involved in this crime, nothing more and nothing less. NG was out of line (again).
Cath, When NG did that she was trying to make Joe look bad in the public eye. She knew darned well what she was doing was wrong. She was a prosecuter for pete sake. She knows that Juvie records are sealed and that the lawyer isnt going to talk about it on National TV. She wants everyone to know he has priors, which I am sure ol Ghollar, Lindsy or Chelsea has told her about. jmo
Also I listened to the Cobra tapes again and in the last one Ron says the FBI took the lock but not the door. They replaced it with a new one. So now we know why they knew the door wasnt bump locked. jmo
Here’s a quote from Shoemaker: “LE told him that if he divorced Haleigh, um sorry, Misty…”
LOL, I saw it on TV sometime yesterday afternoon, but on NG later his *error* had been redacted.
Or JVM…not sure which of the tabloids had the comment in redacted form
Cath, I saw that too. and in the transcipts AH comment on the 90 calls changed to 9. Shoemaker covers his a@@ pretty good cause he says his client told him LE said to divorce her and His client told him LE said to get ready to arrange a funeral. This is all hearsay from Ron…… jmo
m2c- jeeez, now the police can not suggest the family make funeral arrangmeents w/out “making public” what info they have??? Again, a bit self important aren’t we? Very rich!
Tobias, I’ve ruled out Timmy as far as having direct, hands-on involvement in murdering Haleigh, moving her body, because he did complain, albeit not a whole lot, about his money being spent on Tom and Misty (for phone calls, snacks).
If Chelsea is telling the truth about Tim being in bed on pain meds, while she stayed up until about 1 am, the call from Misty to Tim/Chelsea’s phone that was made prior to the 911 call conceivably could have been taken by Tim (while awake in bed), or by Chelsea.
Supposedly, Joe was staying with Tim and Chelsea, but was he at their home while Chelsea was ‘up late working on insurance papers’?
Chelsea should know whether he was there when she went to bed, but I’ve only heard her talking about him being fully dressed, instead of in boxer shorts in the morning.
If Joe was at Tim and Chelsea’s when Misty called, Tim, Chelsea, or Joe may have taken her call.
Misty may have called and asked for Joe to ‘come over to the MH’. Could be Chelsea knows nothing about the conversation, as even if she did take the call, Misty may have asked to talk with Tim, or Joe.
Personality-wise, Tim might rate very low on ‘wanted attention’, and just does not normally want to draw attention to himself.
Chelsea may find it hard to NOT believe Misty, as she has trusted Misty in the past, thought highly of her, even had her babysit her and Tim’s children.
From Chelsea’s point of view – Joe is crazy because Misty (and other family members?) say he is. Remember, she trusts Misty. Misty is a sister-in-law, she is close family; Joe is not.
m2c- jeeez, now the police can not suggest the family make funeral arrangmeents w/out “making public” what info they have??? Again, a bit self important aren’t we? Very rich!
Funny too how they dodged around that last phone call ron made where he talked to Misty. Seems like they wanted everyone to believe he never got hold of her the entire night.jmo
Ah, they dodge all the time. They are saying what they want Misty (and others) to hear. Ron is “not angry,” he’s “disappointed” with Misty and believes she was “threatened” into silence. It’s their messaging system; they know it will be on TV and she/they will see it.
If someone called Timmys house for help they wouldnt ask Joe to help them, they would ask Timmy, he isnt gonna rat out family. Joe would.
Joe became the patsy when LE said it wasnt a SO. jmo
Misty better wise up and roll otherwise she may go down alone in this. If Tommy and/or whoever helped Misty and Haleigh was already gone she is the one who goes down for murder.
Tommy and others would get improper disposal of a body if they plea and testify.( 3-5 yrs)
Misty is looking at life, her lawyer better be pushing her to talk.jmo
And the fact that Timmy has failed a poly and we know the Croslin women are hiding where their husbands were. Lindsy had to have lied if Tommy was at the dock ramp. Chelsea would lie too, she was pregnant when this happened. jmo
I believe they stayed in contact with AH so they could get info on what was going on and tell him false info and he would print it.
He has even said on Levi that the Croslin wives are covering for their husbands(a little late for him to wake up)lol.jmo
Another thing wrong with Mistys story. Where was Joe going to hide an assualt rifle in his luggage for his trip home? The story doesnt hold water. jmo
Lindsy seems to be in great denial – she’s even accusing ‘the Cummings and Sheffields’; says it wasn’t the Croslins, in her comment on a YouTube video.
Cadaver dogs are trained to find specific scents. Some dogs are able to pick this up if a body was there for just 10 minutes, and some dogs are not quite as sensitive.
Unless LE failed to take cadaver dogs inside the MH, I have reason to believe Haleigh did not die there in a manner that went unnoticed for any length of time. If she died there it may have been from trauma, either inflicted or biological (such as a seizure), as death might then be obvious right away.
LE did say they had taken a lot of evidence from the MH but at the same time they said they were searching for an alive Haleigh. If cadaver dogs did not hit inside the MH, it could mean Haleigh died elsewhere or was taken from the MH within a very short time after death, or it could mean she was unresponsive and they assumed she was dead.
Tobias, I agree – the call placed from Misty to Tim/Chelsea’s could have been for help from Tim, not Joe, but if Tim was in bed recovering from the accident, would he drive to the MH, or would Chelsea or Joe go instead?
Another possibility for the call: Misty called to talk to Joe to let him know that he and Tom could come to the MH and get Ron’s gun.
Tobias, Lindsy is still covering for him, has been for 14 months and I hope it is because she is in denial, because to think she would not cover for him knowing he is involved is scary.
TOBIAS: Okay, I’ve been saying this from the beginning and everybody on this site has told me I’m crazy.
Now, do ya’ll see it??
I know I’m dreaming, but I just like the guy, can’t help it, from the first time I heard that 911 call, I have never heard such desperation in a man’s voice in my life. The fact that he wasn’t afraid to speak every single thought out loud, just broke my heart. Who would have the nerve to say such things on a 911 call? Only someone who is not afraid of what people think of him, and only someone who is so very desperate.
C’mon folks, come on over to my side.
I’ll do some more Croslin Family Fun facts…
Tobias, Lindsy is still covering for him, has been for 14 months and I hope it is because she is in denial, because to think she would cover for him KNOWING he is involved is difficult to accept.
I mean, how could a mother, and now LPN, protect a man involved in the killing of a child – husband or not?
A scary thought that 2 mothers (Chelsea and Lindsy), and 3 fathers (Tim, Tom, Ron) have known all along what happened to Haleigh.
I HOPE they haven’t ALL known all along, but realize it is possible.
I feel it is possible Chelsea and Lindsy really didn’t know.
I think it is possible that Ron knew from the beginning, and grieved the death of Haleigh during the first weeks – then it was on with his life – marry Misty.
I still feel Joe is being set up. Its too easy.
Misty would have never covered for him this long and neither would Tommy. Joe was the patsy to take the blame away from them. Who knows if Ron is involved? On that one only time will tell. Misty knows all and Tommy was the clean up crew. The van wasnt that far away he could have walked there. 3 miles is nothing.jmo
Intersting denials that Lindsy Croslin’s put up the YouTube ‘LindsyLPN’ channel on April 14.
Why deny it is hers?
Many perceived Misty differently after viewing her jail house videos, because for the first time other aspects of her personality were revealed.
Perception of Lindsy might change for some who view the LindsyLPN page, and read her comment, because she is revealing more.
She’s angry at the messengers: Flora Hollars, Simon, Jan, and probably many others.
No reason for me to not believe the LindsyLPN page at YouTube was created by Lindsy Croslin, and is updated by her.
Another in a series of blogger arguments going on in the other thread. I bowed out; I can’t stand it when that happens. Yet, one person is even making popcorn to munch while watching everyone spar.
It is so sad when people comer here only for argument and never for HALEIGH.
I feel the same, Cathartic.
ronfan-I agree. My heart breaks when I look at Ron. I don’t honestly care that people don’t believe in him, I just ask that they keep there nasty comments to a minimum out of respect for Haleigh. Ron has been cleared I have read and heard from LE on more than one occasion. Crystal as well too.
But if you think RC was playing the role of undercover narc agent….I have some land to sell you. He LOVES his drugs. And if he can find an easy way to make money while getting high, he is going for it.
The only person who thinks Ron was an undercover narc agent, is his mother.
Awww Mothers!!
cathartic, about your 4:20 post; me too i like figuring and relating the facts that help in solving the case , not watching the personal sparring and groupies of each player involved which hinders the investigation
I still believe Misty was protecting Ron ,she wouldnt protect anyone else but Herself or Ron.
Either she killed Haleigh or Ron did the others just helped with the cover up. I know Ron may not be involved but there are too many odd things he has done since Haleigh went missing to not look at him. Sorry if I offend any one but this is my opinion. jmo bbl
And the surprise that was spoken about is Timmy. Chelsea has been protecting him, just look at her appearence she has been under a lot of stress and it isnt because of Misty. She is protecting her husband over Joe.
Hank knows it too when he says his whole life is ruined. jmo.
boy trouble really seems to follow some people around! everyone of them in jail.
i read ah tonight about misty seeing bones.
this is unbearably heartbreaking. i realize they may not be haleigh’s, but, right now i believe they are.
i meant to say, it is unbearably heartbreaking that they may be hc bones.
not that they showed the bones to misty.
Random Thoughts,
Good morning, I wanted to tell you I am so sorry for your loss. A loss of a child isnt an easy thing to go through its a journey but you learn how to move forward each and every day. If you beleive in God then He will carry you through this. It is very hard when you lose a child but your memories of your beautiful daughter will carry you through your journey. I am sure you know you will have your ups and downs its like two steps forward and sometimes four steps back. Its hard to understand why bad things happen to good people or just to understand it all together. Every feeling you may have ex being angry ect its all normal its part of the joureny with a loss. Its never easy and its something you dont get over with at night it sticks with you. The holidays, her birthday and heaven day can be very hard but in time it will bring you peace. I know this all to well and run a support group to help other parents with a loss a child. I loss a child almost seven in half years ago, he was six months old. I am very blessed to have Daniel in my life and blessed to have memories of him cause those are what gets me through my journey. I finally found my peace but doesnt mean I have forgotten about him and Christmas and his heaven day are very hard for me every now and then Mother’s day is very hard but I try to get through them all. I do visit his resting place taking flowers and things out there cause I find my peace there. My thoughts and prayers are with you may God bring your family peace and comforting. God bless
I saw on NG and JLM that they are saying that they have found Haleigh’s bones does anyone know if this is true? They said that LE showed Misty bones and she confirmed it has being Haleigh’s is there any truth to this.I cant hardly watch these shows much anymore and I try to get on and read the blogs from Simon and Jan cause I feel like they are being straight forward and honest about things.
I do not understand parents, anyone who harms a child at all. I guess I will never will either but it ticks me off when they do and it hurts as well. Children are a gift from God you should be blessed for having a child. When parents harm a child it bothers me alot cause to me they are ungrateful but instead standing up say they did it they blame other people but their child has to be haunting them though I dont see how they can live knowing they killed their child and that goes for other people who hurt or harm a child. How can they live with them selves.
I dont understand wait 14 months later to tell the truth why not come clean. These clowns did not think about anyone but themselves. Now they are going to do anything to save their butts on these drugs charges. Now they are going to speak, regardless you speak you still going to do time in the big house if not the death penalty.
I am so glad that I am not no judge our prisons wouldnt be so over crowed. If you killed anyone a child or another person you should have the same darn thing happen to you there be no sitting in jail/prision eating up tax dollars. All these sex prediators would be in a room by themselves with these parents who they harm their child. Let the parents handle them, themselves.. Its all crazy and it upsets me. I try not to post much but to read cause its heart broken to even think how these clowns including Ron had something to do with Haleigh. We all have our own opinions on the matter who says Ron,Misty and the rest has something to do with it and then there are those just blames Misty and others.
I just pray that all parties are held accountable for what happen to Haleigh. I have my thoughts but if Ron is so called innocent didnt have nothing to do with his daughter’s death then it could still eat him alive knowing he left his daughter endanger regardless thats something he has to live with for the rest of his life. But I know he isnt innocent. Just my opinions I have. I believe all of them are involved..
Remember the dogs scented on the dumpsters does anyone knows what happen there? I believe they found knowing if so then why did the dogs alarmed the LE with barking. I remember them searching the dumpster. This whole case is heart breaking.
Prayers in the air for Haleigh, Jr and the other children….
The little boy that was missing here in florida in flager county was found in New York a women dropped him off at a church with his name on a piece of paper. He was I believe two years old, I beleive his name was Nathdainel not really sure .
May God bless you all and you all have a wonderful day today…
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