My wife Jan and I have talked about these cases so much that they are ingrained in our very being.
In one case the little girl is clearly dead, a year ago the black plastic garbage bag was found that contained her remains, just bones and some duct tape. Haleigh Cummings has dodged that situation for now. Yet is is more than 10 months that she has been missing. And with each day that passes the doubts of her well being increase.
Todays program was a difficult one to put on. People listening in, likely do not understand many of the complex dynamics at work behind the scenes. It is not just the story that becomes part of you, but the people that over time you call friends. Many of the press have left the story for more fertile ground. A few of us have not, and I think it is fair to say that a bond of friendship has been created. A friendship that will continue long after Haleigh Cummings is found.
Over the past 10 months we have shared periods of hope and periods of despondency. We have all met either in person or vicariously via the telephone and email many people connected with the case. There are good people, and there are people who’s motives remain unclear. We have combed the information, we have brainstormed, we have prodded and cajoled. We have been Law Enforcements best friend and also their worst enemy. In short we have done everything we can think of.
The fact remains, Haleigh Cummings is still missing, where is this little girl? I used to joke that everyone that touches this story is doomed. The mummy’s curse was the phrase I used. Unfortunately I am now of the opinion that I am correct. It is not my place to air all of the sad stories, but I think it is fair to say that no-one has remained unscathed. Careers and personal lives have forever been changed.
Many people entered this modern day Colosseum, and few remain standing. As TJ Hart eloquently put it ‘it was us that bought into the case, not our loved ones.’ Personal stress from this case is much more widespread than many people understand. Yesterday on the program we were joined by Pastor John Reagan, in no way is he personally involved in Haleigh Cummings disappearance, yet he has become the target of innuendo and violence. Shots were fired at his house, and various other unsavory activities have come his way. A blogger who shall remain anonymous even went so far as to publish pictures of his children and infer that they were involved in the abduction. I guess the good news is that sources close to the case are saying that Law Enforcement do not view the posts as credible.
This is remarkably similar to what has happened to Richard Grund in the Caylee Anthony case. I have talked to Richard on numerous occasions, and most of the conversations I have opted not to share with the public, but this is a man of honor, and maybe the biggest advocate that Caylee Anthony had in her short life, yet he has been the subject of ridicule, innuendo, and ridiculous claims in the tabloid press.
The latest victim in the ‘Curse’ is my very good friend William Staubs. Bill has a tendency of polarizing people, you either love him or you hate him, but you certainly cannot ignore him. Few people actually know Bill Staubs, most see him as the rough tuff, kick your door down bounty hunter. That image is about as far from the truth as you can get. Yes indeed Cobra does kick doors down, yes indeed Cobra is a big bad lad. But Bill is not. Bill is a very caring man, one who means well, but tends to be a bit of a bull in a china shop. He leaves a wake of broken stuff wherever he goes. I will let you into a secret about Bill, if it were not for him, there is no way that the Haleigh Cummings story would have got the coverage on HLN’s Nancy Grace that it did. How so? Well it was Bill Staubs that paid Art Harris for him to come to come to Satsuma for 5 days and report on the story. Art and Nancy are good friends, voile! Were it not for this, the Haleigh Cummings story would have been a two day blitz and forgotten.
The net result of Bill’s involvement has been his inability to make a living, his bail bond license has been suspended as a direct result of something connected to the search for Haleigh Cummings. His personal life is in shreds, and he faces a court trial in January 2010. I don’t know how many times I have heard Bill tell me “all I wanted to do was look for a missing little girl.â€
The pressure on Bill has reached the stage where he has announced his withdrawal from this case. I for one am sad to hear this. Bill, you know that you always have friends in my wife and I.
It was really hard to host yesterdays program, I knew going in it would not be easy, Christmas is right around the corner, and here we were talking about some of the most depressing news stories of 2009.
You can hear the entire program here.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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I listened to the show yesterday, and my heart goes out to Bill… Stay strong Brother… I will pray God takes care of you…
Thank you to all who care about this case.
wow!!ALL i can say…
COBRA
OUR ETERNAL WISE FATHER SEES YOUR HEARTS INTENTION,AND HE PROMISES TO NEVER LEAVE NOR FORSAKE U.WE SERVE A GOD THAT SHALL NOT LIE NOR THE SON OF MAN THAT SHOULD EVER HAVE TO REPENT.IN OTHER WORDS,MAN WILL FAIL U GOD WILL NOT.BE STRONG,KEEP YOUR FAITH,NO MATTER WHAT.COBRA U ARE GOING TO BE FINE THEY ONLY WANTED U 2 GO AWAY,U HAVE BUT THEY GOTTA MAKE SURE U DON’T COME BACK.WATCH!!!
Bill, in the first of the Under Siege movies with Steven Segal and Tommy Lee Jones, Steven’s character talks about serving a master that is a lunatic and ungrateful as hell.
If you haven’t watched the movie then you should.
For you, TJ Hart, Denny, Simon and Jan, I wish you peace. May the story have a end very soon and may it be a happy one.
But most of all I wish for you Bill Staubs peace and healing of heart and soul.
Cobra, You are a hero, if you would have passed on this case with Haliegh ,her case would be cold now and forgotten by everyone but those directly involved in her life.
I know you were doing your best and so does everyone else who has followed this case from the beginning. One man can not fight a whole town, they needed to assist you , instead they denied in helping. You have done your best and sometimes no matter how hard you try you lose.
God will have his revenge on those responcible in the end be sure of that. Tobias
Cobra look up what Tobias means in the site CRIMSON CIRCLE. This is actually my boxer dogs name, I got him when I was at my lowest point in my life, he has brought me many years of protection and unconditional love. He was meant to come into my life when I needed him.
GOD WORKS IN ALL KINDS OF MYSTERIOUS WAYS.
The story of Tobias was removed from the bible,
but if you look it up it is really very interesting reading. I do believe they should put it back in all bibles.
Tobias, I am intrigued….I will search further. Mr Staubs, Bill, we love you. For all that you intended, all that you’ve given, and I still believe that no matter what Haleigh will still be in your heart. Take care of you, my friend, if I can be so bold. If there’s anyway I can help you out, just let me know. Hopefully, the rest of us who aren’t as battle torn and weary can keep up the fight to keep Haleigh Cummings name out there, maybe soon we all can rejoice! Peace Brother.
We all know the likelihood that Haleigh is dead. Statistics do not hold out much hope (yes, miracles do happen, but not often…that is why are they are called miracles). More effort should be focused on finding a body, parallel with finding a live Haleigh. A body can go a long way in solving this crime. To hold out hope that this is another Jaycee story is akin to hopes of winning the lottery….something we dream about, hope with all our hearts for it to happen, but in the end we do not invest that much of our money, knowing the odds are just stacked against us too much. I know…hope for Haleighs sake it is not so….but hoping this will not make that little girl come alive again. Very tragic.
Cobra, i am praying for you. Be safe. This case is getting to me. Got to back away for a while.
God bless you Cobra, and also TJ, and Simon & Jan, for the role that you each have played in this very difficult case. What makes you think that you have not been key in the eventual finding of Haleigh? Please remember that just because the case has not yet come to closure, it does not mean that it won’t. You may not see it right now, but with all your efforts, something may have already been set in motion. Something you have done will be instrumental in the eventual solving of this case! You just don’t know what it is yet.
Keep the faith and back off a bit to resurrect your own life. Haleigh won’t mind. If she is gone from this world, she already knows your sacrifices and loves you for them. If she is still here awaiting her return, she will know at some point about all the wonderful work done on her behalf. Take your rest and know that you have made a difference.
Jelly Bean, Sorry, but I disagree with you there. You see, the statstics are A LOT different for a non stranger abduction, and a family abduction is even more so. With this being the season of Christmas, I’ve got nothing but hope and faith and belief in my heart. I’m also going to look at the facts that *I* know. They have never ever said foul play. I’m going to keep right on thinking that Haleigh is not on the ground, or they would have found her by now. I’m also going to keep right on remembering what The Great Tim Miller said when he left the first time. “SHES JUST NOT HERE”. P.S. If my child were missing, I would hate to think what I’d feel if I read your very first sentence. And I’m not thinking Jaycee in Haleigh’s case. Nope. Not at all.
Cobra, you and others alike, are not quitters! I believe that our Heavenly Father has a way of helping us let go… when he has had enough! Let God finish this fight. I pray that you and your loved ones will recover all you have lost in this fight for truth and justice. I firmly believe, as long as we have goodness in our heart, God will forever have our back! God Bless!
Thank you, Jan, Simon, TJ, Cobra and Denny for fighting the good fight, and choosing professionalism over sensationalism!
I was so moved yesterday listening to Bill tell of his hard work, sacrfice and concern for the well being of this little baby girl Haleigh who we all love as our own child and I cried for him and felt his pain. I share the same birthday as Haleigh and carry the sadness of not knowing where she is as it is her parents job to nuture and love her which includes knowing where she is. Jan & Simon thank you for all you do for the missing kids that you write about and do shows on for it is up to us to keep their names in the public and I know I talk about them all to all I meet to raise their awareness of what is really going on here in our country. May God keep blessing all of you with strength, faith and grace.
angel blessings Sass
Simon, I think it is great that you, Jan, TJ and Simon have become such close friends. I know you are a blessing to Cobra right now. He is blessed to have you all in his life. Thank you for your kind hearts. Treece
Trial by fire. That describes Cobra’s life at present. There is something great coming for you, Bill, although it hasn’t been revealed yet. God doesn’t close a door without opening another.
Thunderbunny- I totally agree with you. Statistically family abductions are the number one motive behind missing children.
LE has led the family and the public to believe HaLeigh was not taken by a stranger. There would be no reason for a family member to abduct a child and then murder them, although it, of course, does happen, but statistically it is very rare for that to happen.
I believe in miracles and I believe that HaLeigh was taken by a family member that did not realize the magnitude of what would happen and do not know what to do now.
I can tell them what to do- Drop this baby off someplace safe so she can be home for Christmas.
Call Jan, or Simon, or TJ or email them, anonymously and tell them where HaLeigh can be found.
Open your heart to what HaLeigh really needs, and that is to be home with those she loves and that loves her.
Everybody has been punished enough, especially sweet HaLeigh with the smile that lights up the world.
Morning, Everyone! I’ve been reading the comments above and just want to talk about a couple of things.
Thunderbunny, you said LE has never said “foul play.” I’m not sure what you mean by that but IMO no matter what has happened to Haleigh it IS foul play. Even if our dearest hopes – for example that she is happy, healthy and living with some distant family member are true – that is still foul play. She was taken away from her father who had legal custody.
Also, LE has said it was not a stranger abduction. But that does not necessarily mean it was a family member either. There are a lot of people who would not be strangers and would not be family. I believe that just means it was someone known to the child. And unfortunately there are a lot of unsavory characters in that category.
But to carry that further, what does that mean? That Haleigh got up without Misty knowing (she wasn’t there or was sleeping) and willingly went with the person? How would LE know that? It doesn’t take much to subdue a child or keep her quiet. So I don’t understand on what basis LE has come to that conclusion.
Good morning M2C,
Did I miss something? When did LE say Haleigh willing went w/ a person, or got up w/out Misty knowing? I might have misunderstood….I’ve got alot on my mind today.
I am speachless, I did do my very best and had no idea there was so much love. Thank you all for your kind words and support. I can not answer all the e-mails I have recieved, so here I say to all of you, May God richly bless your lives and may someone somday resolve this case.
Special thanks to the panel and you Simon and Jan for all the love, in tears I remain humbled.
Bill Staubs
Hi, Pinkey! LE did not say it in those words. What they said was that it was “not a stranger abduction.” So people are interpreting that in different ways. One way is to think it must mean that a family member took her.
So what I was trying to say is that there are people who are NOT strangers and who are NOT family. So we can’t really reduce our suspicions to just family members.
The rest of my post was building on what LE said – simply trying to understand what the heck they meant by “not a stranger abduction” and how in the world they came to that conclusion.
I Believe That Our Heavenly Father No,s Best And Do His Work Beyond What Is Going With The Haleigh Case. Mister Staub, Hearing You On The Radio Blog Show Simon Show You Where Compassion,Have Diginty And Indeed Was Doing Your Best To Find Innocent Little Girl Haleigh You Tryed Your Best And You Gave All You Had. Are Prayer Is You GAIN BACK What You Have Loss And Gain Back More Abundtly Stay Strong And Dont Loose Hope Amen.
Ok, please let’s not all back away at the same time. Come on we can take turns. Who will be on the first shift to stay here and make sure Haleigh is not forgotten?…Jan, simon? I know I’ll be on the first shift, because I’m not giving up on her.
Cobra- Take care, regain your strength…We’ll catch up with you later, we will never forget you, you will always be in our prayers.
Tobias- Thanks for sharing that story with us, it is very interesting, Especially since my daughters name is Tobie. I named her after my grandfather, but when I read your post and looked it up and saw that it means “God is Good”, it made me very happy I named her that. And at the end of the article about Tobias it said this *”In the classic words of Tobias, “You are never alone.”” In my daughters case that couldn’t be more right.
*http://www.crimsoncircle.com/AboutUs/AboutTobias/tabid/88/Default.aspx
Cobra,
There is always love and support. And for you there are HUGE amounts!! Sometimes the devil just clouds our vision.
You and your friends have sacrificed so much for the cause of finding one precious child. My christmas wish for you is to have a healed heart and a wonderful future. I have learned a great deal from you and give you credit for giving Haleigh a national voice when she had none.
Your influence as an investigator, leader and YES, HERO has inspired many of us, and because of this, men and women in this Country have the conviction and will to carry on.
That is the most challenging test for any leader, is it not? The few people who can pass this test are indeed WINNERS!!!! THANK-YOU!!!!
Sincerely,
Terri
M2C,
I see that you have alot to say about the case and probably have some good information. It appears that you are trying to do some of your own investigations. Have you ever spoken with law enforcement directly about your information and how you get it. I’m sure that they would love to speak to directly. Not sure of your profession, but I can get you linked directly to those involved with the investigation if you really think that your information is relevant to finding Haleigh. If you are interested please reply and I will make it happen.
M2C
ANOTHER NUT I MIGHT SAY????
U R SO INFORMATIVE BCUZ U READ,RESEARCH AND STAY OPEN MINDED.
NOW I GET WHAT U WERE SAYING,I TOTALLY AGREE W/ U.HOW DID LE COME UP WITH THAT”NO STRANGER ABDUCTION”IF THEY KNOW THAT MUCH, THEN WHO?….
Cobra I wish you all the best. Your heart was in the right place. Let God lead you. I know you have a heavy heart, but know this; You sir did all you could do. Thank you.
Gosh and golly, CSI. Very kind of you to say.
But all I’ve ever done is try to look at what information we have, try to figure out what (if anything) it could mean about Haleigh’s disappearance and try to put the puzzle together – with different pieces and in different ways.
That’s why I look at all statements (like the one we were just talking about from LE) and say, “Ok. Where did they get that idea? What does it mean?” And then I ask others (as I did here) for their opinions and maybe we come up with some thoughts or ideas.
That’s why I like this blog. There are SO many people with great thoughts and information and sources and ideas that I like talking with them to pin down fact vs fiction, relevant info (or not) and work out theories on the case.
I’m not LE or in any way related to that profession/ I’m really only interested in it as part of the means to finding Haleigh (or solving other mysteries).
I’m sure LE would NOT want to talk with me because all I’d have to offer are a lot of questions for them! lol! And that’s because either they have info they are not sharing yet or they’ve come to some conclusions based on their own assumptions (which may or may not be right).
Basically, I want to continue to blog like this with everyone because even if WE don’t solve this, I believe we’ll be helping to keep Haleigh’s name out there and keeping the pressure on LE (and maybe the perp) to keep investigating.
Simon, I know you do book revues and if you have ever read the last Harry Potter book, you’ll know what I ‘m talking about. There are two things from the book that I’d compair to the emotions in this case. The feeling one gets when being attacked by a dementor and What the locket horcrux did to those who wore it.
Cobra you’re in my thoughts and prayers, take care of yourself.
cobra was the first to bail..who will be next..tj? maybe jan..she will call in sick and never come back..I know, the crime doctor, hes next gone..mark my words.
so much for staying with the case till the end of time.
who will be next to bail..tj, jan? I know, the crime doctor. What happen to “we’ll stick with this case til haleigh comes home”?
Cobra, thanks so much for all you have done for Haleigh. I’m truly sorry you got into so much trouble with all this. Many, many of us know you for the fine person you are.
God bless & have a wonderful Christmas.
Cobra, thanks so much for all you have done for Haleigh. I’m truly sorry you got into so much trouble with all this. Many, many of us know you for the fine person you are.
God bless & have a wonderful Christmas.
Cobra, God Bless you and have a wonderful Christmas! We are lighting candles to show Haleigh the way home.
OJ’s Glove,
I have no idea who you are, and can’t even be bothered to look it up. But I can assure you that neither Jan, I, TJ or Denny will drop this case.
You see the external of the case, the things that we publish and talk about on air, you do not see what happens behind the scenes. Bill was in many ways forced out, it would be inappropriate and unethical to discuss the situation. Bill has made a choice, and it is one that I support.
He did not get rich off the case, any money that he received was used to help the search.
My heart goes out to Bill.
OJ’s Glove! Way to go! Kick a guy when he’s down! That’s a dirty, low blow. If this was an island, I’d vote you OFF!
Cobra, your presence will truly be missed. You have many friends here and many people who love and understand your challenges at this time. Please take care of yourself and allow yourself to heal. One day at a time. Each day you will gather more strength. Trust that the Lord has much in store in your life, believe in Him, He will never leave your side. Keep in touch with us. Love ya like a brother. Queenie.
O.J’s Glove, go back to the rock you crawled out from under. You have no compassion.
What a brilliant post, Simon and awesome comments posted by readers!
Many of us cannot help solve this case, so we put our faith, hope, prayers and trust in these fine folks here! As you can see, we love all of you. Our gratitude can never be expressed enough. We silently support you through prayer. We encourage your efforts through Internet posts. God has His soldier’s to support His cause in place, He places guardian angels to watch over, and He does reward those who do the right thing. We know, believe and understand His ways because we are a just society. Thank you all!
Typically I do not post here. Today is different. There are a few things I must say regarding Cobra and this case. One of those being that Cobra did infact keep media interest and focus on Haleigh. Without his involvement there would not have been anything to report. Although there has been chaos throughout that many of us could never begin to understand. The very same chaos is what has brought the attention to spotlight the family and questionable “friends” of a young stepmother surrounding Haleigh. Bringing in Art Harris was a wonderful idea. His connections alone are worth the weight in gold. Cobra brought him in for 5 days. Well Art has yet to back down. He still maintains what I consider invaluable contacts within the case. Whether Art was paid or not is irrelevant. It is my belief his interest level is par in comparison to ours. It is very sad to know Cobra is stepping down. Throughout this case I believe he truly only wants to find Haleigh and what has happened to her. Referencing back to an Art Harris article Cobra’s son asked something along the lines of what he would do if it were one of them. Cobra told his son that he would be turning the world inside out looking for them. That statement alone told me that the sometimes controversial bounty hunter was a man with a heart. One who loves his family. One who is like many of us who will do anything he can to help. My belief Cobra came to the scene and quickly came attached to Haleigh. He started to turn Satsuma inside out looking for clues. Starting down a path that most of us hoped would be the trail to Haleigh. It is very sad to hear he will be stepping aside as he has poured more than his time into this, his heart. I would hope, God forbid this to ever be one of my children that I would have someone like Cobra there for me. God Bless everyone who has put so much into finding Haleigh. Cobra, continue to hold your head high. As you have done what most would not imagine. Thank you.
Aligoo – Brilliant response! I think you posted for all of us – thank you!
Nice post “Just Me”
OJ’s Glove – and what exactly have YOU done to help find Haleigh? What sacrifices have you made? Are YOUR finances in the toilet? Lost any loved ones over your interest in the case? Been arrested because of the case? Been trashed on blogs because of the case? I SOMEHOW DOUBT IT! Before you go making irresponsible statements you might try walking a mile in Cobra’s shoes! You have NO idea what this may have done to him and his personal life and he has given more of himself, his time and his heart than you so BACK OFF! Cobra needs to step away and there is NO shame in that. The only shame I see is directed at you!
OJ’s Glove – And another thing, Simon and Jan have kept this case alive. Do a google search on Haleigh and nine times out of ten it will be a BNN article. This while the major media outlets move on to some more sensationalistic topic for the sake of ratings. If you want to rant about someone giving up on the case, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Take a look at just how many articles you can find here about Haleigh in the archives and compare that with ANY other media outlet. What more do you want from these people? They do a radio show every week about the case for Pete’s sake! Not sure what your intentions were with your snide comments but you put a bur under MY saddle!
M2C,
True that. Haleigh being taken is foul play to the worst extent. In my post though, I was actually referring to something happening in the mobile home. We’ve seen all these children this year, “we suspect foul play, we found blood, we are looking for a body, we are looking for a person that might have caused evidence in the home”…
I haven’t said family abduction. Hangnon and I have had a few conversations over that, and I defer to her. Non Stranger. Non Stranger. Non Stranger. Doesn’t mean family necessarily, doesn’t mean stranger necessarily. Leaves us guessing, yes? But it IS someone they believe Haleigh knows. Ok. We run with that. It’s all we’ve got. To me, it means they found no evidence in the home thinking Haleigh had been hurt. There did not appear to be any struggle, maybe because Misty did not wake up? Hell if I know. (This is my opinion only here I’m not saying this is what it is!) I agree, easy to take a child, especially with Misty sleeping off her weekend. The bottom line is that a lot of unsavory’s could have taken her, true. But there is a whole lot of family there too. Even a twice removed cousin, for instance is considered family.
Guess when they say non stranger abduction, they mean, “we don’t know who the hell took her”. Think I’ll go light another candle for Haleigh and say a little prayer. She’s over 500 tonight, by the way. She deserves a 1000.
A little Edit on Cobra’s Picture for you and him. Sure gonna miss you Bill.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/Dreamfinder1997/Bulletin%20pictures/photo.jpg
How can anyone in good conscience slander the people who are there to help,when help is all they offer,What happened to Cobra is a damn disgrace,A guy who like Padilla and Kronk,and Mr Grund came in the picture to Help these familie’s and because of it were disgraced by the familie’s of the missing person….and now are suspect’s.casey wouldn’t help find her own daughter and the A’s didn’t want the people who could find the truth to help!!!!! Such is the case with Haleigh now!
It make’s me sick!!!!!!!!!
I wonder, is there a way the public could maybe complain or take up a petition to restore Cobra’s Lisence?? Something need’s to be done,If there’s no Cobra’s,Grunds, and Kronk’s…..then nobody will be tring to find the truth,everybody else want’s to hide it!!
Will someone please explain what evidence there is for a nonstranger abduction? The only thing that makes sense to me a stranger abduction. LE has investigated ad naseum every family member that could be connected, along with friends, AC person, ect. Because there is no evidence of a struggle, it is a nonstranger abduction? What about Danielle Van Dam? Taken from her bed. no evidence of a struggle. Jessica Lundsford…the same. Take a sleeping child and chances are they may not awaken to struggle. Please tell me what evidence LE DOES have. ANYTHING please, other than “MISTY HOLDS THE KEY” (translation for “we have nothing but we dont want to look like morons”). It seems like there is none. It is quite disturbing to see theories thrown out. and people accused…with NO evidence what so ever.
LE hasn’t investigated every family member ad nauseum. They weren’t even given LDT tests and Baker county was searched this summer at the request of Marie.
Also LE is the one that said it was a non stranger abduction and have said it many times.
There was no evidence of a break-in? The door locks were either unlocked or unlocked by someone known to the family who might have come by a key.
Also I think they believe that the “suspect” knew the lay-out of the MH. Quick job, inside, grab Haleigh, straight out (lack of DNA type evidence, I think- no struggle signs, etc) They say every murderer makes 100 mistakes (microscopicly speaking) Where are 50 of Haleigh’s abductor’s? Where are 5 of those mistakes? If they can’t find witnesses as far as a vehicle or tire treads to match or any other outside of the home clues, where do you start? Inside the home ONLY. Only someone known to Haleigh or her family would have been able to walk through there without knocking something over, switching on a light (finger prints, ect) something. At least this is why I think they are saying non-stranger.
I know LE said it is nonstranger. I am asking for evidence of that. I have not read about anything, other than a LACK of evidence. Since when does a lack of evidence implicate the family? Again—Danielle van dam,
jessica lundsford. What i have seen is the family and anyone remotely associated with the case trashed, with no evidence what so ever.
And there was a light on…the kichen light.
Side Show Update:
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-12-15/story/family_member_of_haleigh_cummings_jailed_in_putnam_county_on_gun_c
Jacksonville News.com Jacksonville, Fl
Updated: 12-15-09 6:13 p.m. EST
“Family member of Haleigh Cummings jailed in Putnam County on gun charge”
That tralier scene was staged. The crime happened elsewhere, that’s why there’s no evidence at that place.
Is the new PI uncovering anything or is this case cold now.
bonanzajellybean @ 1:39 am – Yes, I wonder the same thing. PCSO apparently did not see any signs of “forced entry” and that’s the only basis I’ve heard from them for their conclusion that it was a non-stranger abduction (which does not limit it to family – there are plenty of people who are not family and not strangers).
And you’re right. It makes me think they’ve never heard of the cases you mentioned.
All of which (and more) has to leave us wondering if local LE is competent.
mel22- A blogger (and forgive me I have forgotten who) said there is no PI. That it was a rumor.
HollysGmom- a flashlight would work.
Oh and Bonanza, I think Vaquera is right that LE has not thoroughly investigated all family members. At least not to my knowledge or satisfaction. There are a bunch of people on the bio-mom’s side (and in that circle) that I’d like to see investigated.
My efforts would not have been possible if for not a very strong lady behind me. As in other cases she was there in a hugh supporting role.
However this case has taken it’s toll on her and she faltered, when that happened I feel as well.
Keep that in mind if you too see your life falling apart with your involvement in this case, stop before that happens in your lives. As the ones nearest you may not be strong enough for the both of you. We do not need any more broken hopes and broken dreams because of cases like these. It is a true shame to have lost so much.
Please, and God bless you all. Thanks for the support!
Bill
I am sorry I just don’t see how making up stories, telling lies and mistruths, embellishing those lies and mistruths, did anything to further the main purpose which was TO FIND HALEIGH. In fact all it did was, as Marc Klaas stated to both KP and Crystal, take the focus off of finding HaLeigh.
Paying a “reporter” (and I do use that term loosely) to twist the stories to defame a family and make another family look like saints, did nothing to further the mission of finding a missing child and bringing her home.
While I do not wish anything bad to happen to Cobra, I do believe that what he did and what he participated in, was wrong. What he did and participated in in destroying the father of a missing child was wrong. The lies he told about Ms. Neves, the grandmother of a missing child was wrong. I could go on and on.
I am sorry, I for one can not just overlook exactly what Cobra did and suddenly crown him some kind of hero.
I feel bad for his legal problems BUT he knows there are things that led up to his confrontation with Snodgrass that were set into motion by those that he trusted, and yet he still seems to be trusting those exact same people.
Jeremiah reported in a media interview that Snod went to the HBC and Jeremiah HEARD Snod give his name to a reporter from Orlando.
First thing I did was call all media in Orlando and surrounding area and guess what? Not one of them said they had a reporter in Satsuma that day. So why did Jeremiah lie about that? Why did Jeremiah tell Cobra that story? Or did he?
Why has this case been so filled with so many LIES? Why can’t those that have information step up and REALLY BE A HERO and tell all they know, truthfully, not embellished, not half truths and mistruths, just the Honest to God TRUTH?
Why do people seem to excuse the lies? Why do people seem to excuse the actions and behavior of those who claim they were there for HaLeigh? Why did those that went to Satsuma have the need to turn the case of a missing child into a circus?
Where is HaLeigh? She needs to be home!
m2c 6:12 a.m. Not to your satisfaction, HA HA. Who are you? You don’t know what L.E. has done or who they have spoken to.
Hangnon,It seems this case has brought the ugliest of ugly out in some.Just look at how many bloggers have been torn apart by other bloggers because they refuse to make fun of the Cummings family or outright accuse them of being involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.Look at the lies those bloggers have not only told about the Cummings family,but have told about other bloggers,look at the childish games they play.When it comes down to them using a persons children and or grand children to hurt them,as we have witnessed on a few occasions lately, that is an ugly they just can’t get rid of and gives us a look as to the true person behind the computer. This makes me wonder if it is not the same one in those instances,I can not imagine several bloggers playing the same game,but then,as I said, this case has brought out the ugly in some.Very sad.
I just sit and read and wonder what the hell is wrong with these people.Do they have no morals?No conscience?I find it funny the way they put the Cummings family down for who they are,yet,I would venture to say that the Cummings would not even stoop as low as some bloggers have. So while they are making fun of and trashing the Cummings family,they need to look in the mirror at what they are,because no matter where they live or how much they have,they are still very very ugly.
hangon, your facts are wrong i had no control over art harris otherwise those stories would have exclusive case closed stamped on them not art harris exclusive. everyone had to be investigated not just one side, i did not try to frame or go after anyone, simply if Haleigh had hired me to find her, that is what i did.
i am not mad at you, just correcting you and i did not lie on anyone i called it as i saw it at the current time frames…period…
TruthBeTold, Amen. Absolutely Amen. Never were truer words spoken.
Cobra I will say is this last thing, as much as I dislike you and what you have done at HaLeigh’s expense
I WOULD NOT WISH TO READ YOUR NAME IN AN OBITUARY!
Enough Said.
Checking in everyone, sorry we have not been on here much busy trying to bring Haleigh home for Christmas.
Please know this, there is a lot of shaking going on in the sub core of Putnam county and Beyond. The heat is rising which is a very good thing. We will weed out the snakes and they will be brought to justice.
We do not care about our life, licenses, relationships can go by the wayside, we are here to bring home Haleigh.
We have lived our lives and lived them full, Haleigh has not. Therefore, what ever is destroyed in our life is nothing.
We want to have Haleigh home where she is loved and belongs.
A ton of Info is being given to higher ups L.E. that have taken a great interest in this!! They will bring them to justice
It could just be me I don’t know but I am puzzled at the people who consistantly jump with the defensive for either parent or side of the family. Why would anyone who is a complete stranger looking at this from the outside looking in feel the need to defend either side or person etc…? This case is yet to be solved and although none of us are here to convict anyone on the interwub we also have posters acting like wannabe defense attorney’s and scrubs. What the heck is that all about anyway?
No really?
I understand that some posters might take things to far with their words against either parent or side of the family but flip side to that….
What would anyone who is saying anything pro or against either side have to say if it is found that the person(s) you have been so adamantly defending are somehow involved, guilty etc?
I’ve been thinking about that for quite some time now and none of this (questionable) defensive behavior makes a whole bunch of sense just yet either.
I have my own thoughts about this case but guess what? I could be wrong. What’s even more, I want to be wrong.
I may have been correct about other cases I’ve followed but there are no guarantees that I am right about anything here to do with this case. And even if my thoughts might be correct about this case, what should I do? Pin a rose on my nose? Write a book so I could make money exploiting someone elses grief? H to the E to the double L NO!
I would never feel ok about being right about someone elses potential loss, pain, tragedy and or suffering etc…!!!
So while some of you people here are consistantly bent on defending either side of this completely devastating tragedy at the expense of a missing little girl I am going to step up and say words to defend William “Cobra” Staubs, (even though I don’t think he needs me to or appreciates me doing it) because this man has gone above and beyond to try to find little Haleigh Cummings as has his female friend.
At no point am I questioning the mans tactics during the investigation because the intention was to find Haleigh and that is all that anyone should be caring about.
Cobra and his female friend are a few of the people who are/were actually down there invested in and physically searching for Haleigh. They have both apparently suffered losses while trying to do the right thing and I have great compassion for both of them and their efforts.
I think it takes some seriously thick skin to do what these people do each and everyday. We are all human beings and the stress has gotten to everyone at one time or another.
Luckily Cobras can molt. That was kind of meant as a joke so it’s ok to laugh 🙂
(That seems to be his nature though.)
Cobra I am wishing you and your female friend both a chance to intimately recover from this sad situation so that your relationship will be restored even stronger than before and even more I am hoping that this case will soon be solved.
Sincerely.
TruthBeTold said,
in December 16th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Hangnon,It seems this case has brought the ugliest of ugly out in some.Just look at how many bloggers have been torn apart by other bloggers because they refuse to make fun of the Cummings family or outright accuse them of being involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.Look at the lies those bloggers have not only told about the Cummings family,but have told about other bloggers,look at the childish games they play.When it comes down to them using a persons children and or grand children to hurt them,as we have witnessed on a few occasions lately, that is an ugly they just can’t get rid of and gives us a look as to the true person behind the computer. This makes me wonder if it is not the same one in those instances,I can not imagine several bloggers playing the same game,but then,as I said, this case has brought out the ugly in some.Very sad.
I just sit and read and wonder what the hell is wrong with these people.Do they have no morals?No conscience?I find it funny the way they put the Cummings family down for who they are,yet,I would venture to say that the Cummings would not even stoop as low as some bloggers have. So while they are making fun of and trashing the Cummings family,they need to look in the mirror at what they are,because no matter where they live or how much they have,they are still very very ugly.
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I agree with your whole post. I don’t understand it either, never will. I do believe some of them are reaping what they have sown lately. Funny how that works.
You may have gotten too close Cobra. Just a little too close to what’s really out there and what the truth is. I believe someone wanted you out of there, and ta~da. That’s what happened. There must have been some direction, some path you were on that someone didn’t want you on. Too sad that it had to be on the name a missing child.
O/T and just curious, TruthBeTold, are you the one who had mentioned that your family member was ill and in the hospital a few years ago in Southern California? (My appologies, I do get posters confused sometimes.)
All this conspiracy stuff is too much. It seems obvious that LE focused exclusively on Misty, and did not focus enough on other possiblies (think Sabrina Eisenburg in Florida). I say this because—–if a “nonstranger” abduction occurred, why the he** hasent LE found Haleigh? LE knows the players…they cant hide. Yet it has been almost a year and still no Haleigh. That is enough time for LE to have thoughly questioned anyone they know that could have had the remote opportunity to find Haliegh. Yet still no Haliegh. I still think stranger abduction.
Tuff Stuff no,I am not.I really don’t post much, but had to say that after reading hangnon’s post.As far as your defense attorney post,let mejust say that some people just want the truth out and the lies to stop.See,there are people that have come to love this little girl that they never met and a couple things come to mind when the lies start flying,one being how would this little girl feel if she heard or saw what was being said about her family,the family she loves so dearly.It seems it would hurt her deeply,don’t you think? and second,there are people pushing the “she’s dead and in the woods in Putnam” line down everyone’s throat that they possibly can,would you look for a live child that is being said to be dead? Third, there are people saying that Ron killed his daughter, now,I hate to have to point this out to such intelligent people but in having that posted all over the internet,it could help a child murderer walk free if indeed she is deceased,since Ron was at work and all you know,it is impossible to be in two places at one time.That would give someones defense attorney a great big bone to use.In other words, for some of those people that you think defend one side or the other,they are standing up for truth and justice for Haleigh.I just wanted to point that out to you.
TBT thank you much for the response.
It spoke volumes.
I appreciate yet disagree with you about your comments in regards to people pushing ideas, thoughts, opinions on anyone no matter what the argument is in that Law enforcement do not depend solely upon posters on the internet to guide them in how they conduct their investigations. It would very potentially be paranoid and/or delusional rationalization to think such a rediculas thought in my humble opinion. But alas, it is but just my opinion.
Karen.
LAWSHRINK thank you for the update. Happy Holidays to you and yours. I am praying for the biggest gift of all; Haleigh home for Christmas. Please stay safe. Praying for you all
To: K you know who at 9:10 am about my 6:12 a.m. comment.
As far as your asking, “Who are you?” Well, I’m a blogger with questions. And as far as I know LE has not interviewed everyone I’d like to see questioned. That’s what “to my knowledge” means. Do you require further explanation to really understand or do you understand but just want to mouth off?
LawShrink: Thank you! Is there anything that we or any of us can do to help? I’m reachable via PM on the forums section. Just let me know and I’ll do what I can.
This one is too deep for me… I will only say that, if your heart is leading you, then so be it.
I would love to believe that Lawshrink actually has a team of investigators out there, but I highly doubt it. I don’t believe that Lawshrink has any investigators on the ground in Putnam County.
If this is a charade Lawshrink, it’s time to stop. These are good hearted people looking for hope that are posting here. It is not right to mislead them.
Tuff Stuff, maybe you need to reread my posts? I was talking about certain bloggers and did not mention LE. So before disagreeing with someone and commenting about irrational,paranoid and ridiculous (which you misspelled by the way)thoughts, it may be a good idea to actually read the posts thoroughly and not assume what or whom they are speaking of. I thought I made it clear I was referring to certain other bloggers,but in case I did not, I was. Had I been speaking of LE I would have said so.
Well, if it is a charade LawShrink, we all have sure inundated your email account in the past month. LOL I too hope that your team is finding Haleigh for Christmas, New Years, Valentine’s….just please, please bring her home!
For those posting about people’s viciousness in all of this, you ALL are right. It’s been good, bad, bloody, ugly, cruel, peacemaking, ludacrist, convincing, It’s been all over he place. I’d like to think that recently there has been a turn and a change of heart in most. If not about who they think is guilty, then at least about how we treat that topic and others. Maybe it’s just me, or maybe it’s just been here, but something changed right after Thanksgiving. At least it did for me. I saw how a few kind heartfelt sentiments could help bolster someone hurting up. Well, I’d rather do that then tear them apart. I’m not a Misty hater-I understand her, I don’t hate either side. I do wish that these parents and family members work with couselors on how to raise these kids in a more positive, loving environment, how to work together better, how to really grow in thier own lives.
It’s hard to discuss this case at all without naming a party. Then once named you have to explain why you feel that way. How can we even discuss this case without talking about the people and events contained within? There must be a middle ground. None of us know who did what. If if you do know it’s because you are involved and I implore you to go to LE, maybe FBI.
JackWells, I am not familiar with you or aware of how long you have been on this blog. However, I am familiar with Lawshirk and she has been on here a long time and very consistent and balanced in her postings in the past. I think she has shown love and concern for Haleigh. So I do not think she would play a game concerning her little life. To me if she says she is investigating this case I sincerely believe she is doing just that. JMO Treece
I’m just going to throw this out there….
Could it be possible that Tommy did go over to Ron and Misty’s, Gave Misty a drug but it was something else that she didn’t realize and it knocked her out for a while, Tommy stole the guns, but in the process Haleigh woke up, and because she could tell on Tommy, Tommy took Haleigh and set up the cinder block at the door and killed Haleigh and put her where ever he put her due to the fact she could tell on him. The drug could be the part that Misty isn’t telling because she doesn’t want to get into trouble and she doesn’t know what happened. It could also be the reason of the confusion of her stories at that time. Tommy is the only one that I see that has really gone down hill since Haleigh disappeared.
All of this is just a thought and an opinion.
TBT, you said, “now,I hate to have to point this out to such intelligent people but in having that posted all over the internet,it could help a child murderer walk free if indeed she is deceased”
How do you suppose it might potentially help a child murderer walk free if not that you are of the thinking that what is being said on the internet might somehow influence LE’s interest in this case?
That is what you were implying then no?
Anyway,
I certainly had no intentions to come off as attacking your post. I simply mentioned that I disagree with you.
Ah yes, ridiculous. You are correct, my mistake.
hangnon said, in December 16th, 2009 at 8:04am
I am sorry I just don’t see how making up stories, telling lies and mistruths, embellishing those lies and mistruths, did anything to further the main purpose which was TO FIND HALEIGH. In fact all it did was, as Marc Klaas stated to both KP and Crystal, take the focus off of finding HaLeigh.
Paying a “reporter” (and I do use that term loosely) to twist the stories to defame a family and make another family look like saints, did nothing to further the mission of finding a missing child and bringing her home.
While I do not wish anything bad to happen to Cobra, I do believe that what he did and what he participated in, was wrong. What he did and participated in in destroying the father of a missing child was wrong. The lies he told about Ms. Neves, the grandmother of a missing child was wrong. I could go on and on.
I am sorry, I for one can not just overlook exactly what Cobra did and suddenly crown him some kind of hero.
I feel bad for his legal problems BUT he knows there are things that led up to his confrontation with Snodgrass that were set into motion by those that he trusted, and yet he still seems to be trusting those exact same people.
Jeremiah reported in a media interview that Snod went to the HBC and Jeremiah HEARD Snod give his name to a reporter from Orlando.
First thing I did was call all media in Orlando and surrounding area and guess what? Not one of them said they had a reporter in Satsuma that day. So why did Jeremiah lie about that? Why did Jeremiah tell Cobra that story? Or did he?
Why has this case been so filled with so many LIES? Why can’t those that have information step up and REALLY BE A HERO and tell all they know, truthfully, not embellished, not half truths and mistruths, just the Honest to God TRUTH?
Why do people seem to excuse the lies? Why do people seem to excuse the actions and behavior of those who claim they were there for HaLeigh? Why did those that went to Satsuma have the need to turn the case of a missing child into a circus?
Where is HaLeigh? She needs to be home!
Well put hangon.. I feel the same way. It is sad that many dont. This family, who are all crime victims, suffered losing Haleigh, and fell victim to the likes of so many who now seem to be looking for sympathy.
This family has been kicked below the belt and the horrible way they have been treated and exploited is just sickening. The interference in this case has taken away from the child and the hope of finding her. Haleigh’s family has been exploited at Haleigh’s expense for money and notoriety. That in itself should be a crime. LE should have stopped this band wagon from day 1. This whole circus needs to be put to rest. Questions need tro be directed to LE in hopes of getting this case back in the forefront. No wonder reputable reporters arent covering it anymore. The story of Haleigh has been lost. We need for all the “extras” to go and deal with their problems outside of this case. It is not affiliated, related, relevant, or significant.
We need haleighs case to be alive again.
“No outsiders wanted”
You are right. Reputable journalists are NOT going to cover NO news. There is no news, or developments on the case. Putting stories out there on the internet that include lies, inuendo, finger pointing, harassing, ect have done NOTHING to find Haleigh. The goal of “keeping Haleighs name before the public” has been lost in this media circus. All should be ashamed, and stop it now.
m2c♥ said,in December 15th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
OJ’s Glove! Way to go! Kick a guy when he’s down! That’s a dirty, low blow. If this was an island, I’d vote you OFF!
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m2c,
Isnt that what so mnay have done to Haleigh’s family? That is what is so frustrating. Howcome its ok for the Cummings to be kicked?
The ppl who got involved in this case had no business exploiting and turinig it upside down. How come you dont feel the same way about the families who have suffered such a great loss?
m2c♥ said,in December 16th, 2009 at 6:38 pm To: K you know who at 9:10 am about my 6:12 a.m. comment.
As far as your asking, “Who are you?” Well, I’m a blogger with questions. And as far as I know LE has not interviewed everyone I’d like to see questioned. That’s what “to my knowledge” means. Do you require further explanation to really understand or do you understand but just want to mouth off?
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m2c,
I see common thread in many of your posts. Im wondering why the hostility? Maybe your approach is rubbing ppl the wrong way???
Cobra,
In reading your comment tonight about Art Harris’s reporting on the events leading up to your arrest and charges, and what I gather is your feeling that he failed to report all sides of the story, if you didn’t agree with what Mr. Harris reported why didn’t you speak out when his 2 part story was published? Or why didn’t you speak out on Simon’s radio show perhaps? Obviously your situation and charges are very serious.
If you truly did nothing illegal in arresting D. Snodgrass I wish you luck with your court proceedings.
I think most of us are guilty of exercising poor judgement one time or another in our professional lives. Obviously in your line of work the consequences can be severe.
Also I don’t understand the PUBLIC love-hate-love relationship you have with Ms. Picasio. If the two of you should hit the wall again, for little HaLeigh’s sake, her families and those who follow this case, let’s hope it’s handled more professionally.
Tuff Stuff, If Jose Baez will use the likes of Joy Wray, imagine what a good defense attorney would do with all these people chomping at the bits to spew the hate about Ronald and his family. If you do not understand by now what I am saying, can’t help you.
Yes, I’m sure that there are many family members or people accused of crimes or potential suspects that feel they have been unjustly accused. I’m sure it felt that way to the Ramsey’s (Someone still killed Jon Benet though) The Anthony’s (They want to believe someone else did it) Mr Ross etc. Does that mean we shouldn’t talk to each other about current status of accused, whether it’s outside a jail or in? The Cummings family isn’t the one that has been hacked at…it’s the Croslins…
TruthBeTold:
If you are suggesting that the jury members would be swayed by our thoughts or arguements, well, they MIGHT, but only based on the information’s own merits, not how many are saying it. If you believe that we can sway a jury prior to judgement of accused or prior to trial will sway a juror then you don’t really understand the jury selection process. First reason to be dismissed from a jury is fore-knowledge of the case or know a participant.
In the Anthony case there will be a looser description of fore-knoledge, I would think since it is so media publicised.
Hollysgmom..
You said…
“Does that mean we shouldn’t talk to each other about current status of accused, whether it’s outside a jail or in? The Cummings family isn’t the one that has been hacked at…it’s the Croslins…”
You have asked a great question in your post and I wud like to take a stab at it.
It is funny that you use the term “accused” when referring to current cases. I know in the Haleigh case, Misty was never accused… it was media and the internet that started the exploiting of her and the family early on. I think it is more important than ever, to be so careful in who we all want to convict so fast. The ideas and views are shared with millions and lets face it, the potential jury pools in every state have a large portion of net users. I know that many ppl who join sites assume the majority way of thinking without even knowing a case or the few facts that we get in a case..
You will hear ppl relay what they refer to facts where it is all wrong. The media does this too often also.
I think we as the ppl, need to consider reasonable doubt and realize it does exist. Seems as soon as LE have a suspect or even POI, the next thing you know ppl are junpin on that person… this is wrong. Proesecutors and LE arent always right.
We are very influential here in cyberspace and many general opinions are assumed. We will never stop that from happening but we should all be a little more aware that blog convictions carry weight. If we look at what the blogs have done so far to Misty and her family, now ruined comes to mind.
I think the blogs have a big influence on the media and the media has bif influence on LE so it al gets around the viscous circle.
There are many ppl that we know of in the past who were wrongfully suspected where their lives were torn apart. These ppl too are already victims of crime. The way their lives were changed 15 yrs ago, isnt nearly to the same degree it is now. I doubt Jaycees stepfather’s wrongful accusations didnt stop him from getting a job and even being forgotten about. We know he lost his marriage but cud prolly escape where no one wud have known him..Its not like that today… This crime not only has taken their heart, but prolly any chance for a livlihood.. I cant see Misty of Ron getting a job anywhere for a very long time… This is partly becasue of us. We exploited them and we may be very wrong. There was really know evidence to start with yet, we craved a story and KC’s was cooling down as Caylee had been found. I believe bloggers have a responsibily to remain impartialin cases like Haleighs were there was no real red flags..we wanted there to be so we created them. It was wrong… there is every reason to believe she told the truth…
Look wha happened to Amanda Knox? Same thing ..media and the internet…it is worrisome, and we need to change our quik convictions.
FedUp @ 12:50 am.
Why do you assume you know what I think? For you to say, “How come you dont feel the same way about the families who have suffered such a great loss?” is ridiculous. What makes you think that I don’t feel that way? When ever have I even implied the contrary?
I am FedUp with being attacked by you for non-existent reasons. It’s ludicrous.
FedUp:
Blogging with you goes something like this:
Someone posts a comment like “I throw out all oranges.” I reply to THAT person, “You should not throw out all oranges.”
Then YOU attack ME specifically saying, “Why don’t you feel the same way about apples?”
Who was talking about apples? How do you know what I think about apples? But you attack me. It’s insane. And THAT is why I do not like to discuss anything at all with you. Please do not respond to any of my posts – the general ones or ones I direct to others. First, your posts make no sense and second I don’t want to talk with you. You try to engage me in a battle that does not exist. Leave me alone please!
Fed;
while I agree ith a lot of what you had to say, I do feel that PCSO DID point the finger and in a round about way “accuse” Misty.
“Misty’s timeline doesn’t add up” + “Misty is KEY” statements lead a reader to believe that even they think she’s guilty of something, even if it’s just a timeline issue. So yes, bloggers have “taken” these families “apart”. Maybe in error, but how do we go about finding a missing child without looking into the past & present of those closest to that child? I’m sorry if they’ve been or felt smeared. However, it has been thier very own actions that have been talked about or written about. Even the 3-day binge party. Misty did it, several people confirmed it. I still think that even if Cobra hadn’t have joined this case that “Nay-Nay” would have jumped at the chance to tell the very next person who asked, media or otherwise. JMO Everything after that initial story has been true and validated. I hope we find Haleigh. When we do, the guilty party, hopefully, will pay, no matter who they are. If Misty and Ron are due appologies then they will be offered. I do not believe that what we have talked about would keep either one of them from employment. For a prospective employer to NOT hire them/him/her due to this case would put them in a position to be financially liable. Now, I know that not everyone would come right out and tell them that is why they weren’t hired, thus making a civil suit so much harder, but if they feel that they are being discrimminated against in this fashion they should seek representation, possibly upon a contengency basis. I’ve been in management before and I’ve helped select potential applicants for hire. It never had anything to do with what thier name was, known to me or otherwise. The resulting candidate was chosen due to thier: Education, Work History, Previous Experience in that field, if any, & thier ability to match the job position: Shift time available, transportation issues, etc.
Greg Page stated that he met Misty on Friday, she came back on Saturday, they dropped her off early Sunday morning at her brothers. He did not see her again. They had sex one time. They did do drugs together.
Somehow that has turned into a 3 day drug/sex fest. I see it as a young girl who was really pizzed at her boyfriend and went out to get even, which is not an unusual thing among young people.
That does not mean I approve of what happened that weekend BUT I do think it has been embellished quite a bit.
Morning, HollysGmom!
I know of a blog site that does not allow anything – even established facts – that sound remotely negative to be said about the family.
It’s supposed to be a blog about Haleigh. But other than offering up prayers and referring people to BNN and other web sites for information, all they seem to do is talk about their own lives, families, dinners etc. It’s like a social networking site for grannies.
So that’s my way of saying, I agree with you. I don’t know how we’re supposed to discuss the case or theorize or help or even know that pressure needs to be put on people to keep investigating – if we’re not allowed to talk about the people closest to Haleigh.
We should be careful and try to distinguish truth from rumor and certainly not bash anyone for the sake of bashing but that does not happen here (very much) and when it does, it’s generally disagreed with.
In addition, Misty and the families are not the only ones we talk about or consider as possibly responsible.
There are a lot of people in their circles, their community, plus the SOs we’ve talked about and the possibility of an SO from out of town. So it’s not like we are singling out anyone.
BNN – as opposed to a lot of other sites – has mostly avoided taking sides. We have bloggers on here who may favor or blame one side or another but it’s part of discussion and debate. This has never been a place where a Ron-hater or Crystal-hater or Misty-hater would be welcomed (or if welcomed, then they’d still be challenged).
The negative information that has been put out on the net, most of which was inaccurate, has had an effect on this case. Many people stopped looking for HaLeigh because they were led to believe that Misty and/or Ron had killed her.
I gave some bikers fliers of HaLeigh to take and hand out during bike week at Daytona. The first man I had talked to and asked if he would distribute the fliers told me, “I thought her babysitter killed her.”
For me that is a SERIOUS problem. This baby can be anywhere. We know family and friends have family and friends all across the country. We need EVERYBODY, EVERYWHERE looking for HaLeigh. We need to get the message out there that regardless of our own personal beliefs, there is no evidence that HaLeigh is not alive and WE need to keep looking for her, and we need to encourage others to keep looking for her.
M2C
Thanks for your reply. I can see how a site set up specifically for family members to go to in order to see others good wishes and uplifting messages only are posted. It kind of makes sense. I think it’s much needed as well. Then there are the sites that should be allowed to discuss this other stuff. Possibly a family member or loved one should not participate or view this type of site as it can be so hurtfull.
I agree that this site and it’s members go to great lengths to make sure what is being said is “valid” or “confirmed info”. Of course there are times when we get side-tracked or cross a line. It seems to hold true that most will appologize for thier error and walk away better informed. I wish we could make all sites use those guidelines, at a minimum. I’m glad that you too feel that this site is unbiased per who is guilty of what.
Jackwell, ROFL, ROFL,
Thank you for the post, we see the heat is bothering you.
We find it interesting, the closer we get to the truth the more we get people coming out of the woodwork trying to discredit us.
You know what, we do not care what you think, the important thing is we are here looking and trying our best to bring Haleigh home for Christmas. What are you doing??
A Lot of people have contacted us from here they have seen our credentials and research us, and know we are for real.
So, If you would like us to send you, our personal credentials, leave us your email and who you are, on the forum and we will gladly respond.
Better yet, you live in Putnam County? We will stop by…
One more thing I (myself) have gone through the same H@LL and pain this family has and no one helped my family bring my child home, so if it is the least I can do is to try and help bring someone else’s child home.
Hangon I agree with the post just above this. That is a problem! Did this man come by this “mis-information” on a blog? or Nancy Grace? or some other media outlet? Do we even know where the mis-information originated?
I guess all we can do is keep pushing her name out there and educating or re-educating people about Haleigh.
LawShrink,
I do not doubt that you care about HaLeigh. I doubt that you have a team of investigators looking for her.
I noticed that you claimed that you bought tickets and donated money to the HaLeigh Benefit in Texas. Once it was revealed that there were no ticket sales or donations, you stopped talking about that issue and started talking about getting this “team” together.
I hope that I am wrong LawShrink, but your credibility took a hit when you claimed that you bought tickets and made a donation to the HaLeigh Benefit in Texas. We all found out that was not true.
Please think about what you are doing.
Gmom – I am not sure where his information came from. I live outside the Tampa area and it is amazing at how many people down here do not know about HaLeigh OR that are under the presumption she has been killed.
I talk to people when I am handing out fliers, and so many do not realize we are still looking for HaLeigh.
Oh, But I did, I have the Money order, Tracking to prove it. Did not keep going on and on about it, there was no point. The only thing we know is Sam did not get the money, so it must have gone to the CS side of the family. Nevertheless, we cannot argue that point unless we have CS family here to disuse it.
Or do we??
JackWells- I have heard several people say that they bought tickets to the concert even though they could not attend.
I do not believe for a minute that all the people that claim that they bought tickets or made donations are not being honest.
Hangnon and HollysGmom:
I would bet that fellow got his info from mainstream media in the press release straight from the mouth of PCSO – “We have ruled out SOs,” “bio-parents are not suspects” and “Misty is the key.” Those and a couple other similar comments put the end to the discussion for most people. We don’t need to look any farther than that.
It’s really been bloggers (maybe NG? others? I don’t know) who have opened up the possibilities and who keep insisting that LE look elsewhere. I don’t know that LE is or ever has.
m2c- I am not sure how many other blogs, forums, or twitters that you follow but I can attest that until the info was released in the BAR complaint, most onliners did not push for LE to look elsewhere.
The tone of the online world, which bled into mainstream media, was definitely anti-Ron, anti-Misty, anti-Cummings, with many blatantly stating that Ron, Misty, Ms Neves, and even Ms Sykes were involved in “getting rid” of HaLeigh through murder or disposing of her body, or blatently stating that Ms Neves was setting them up to be killed.
My gosh the family has had a “camera stalker” for months who even wormed her way into a PRIVATE event in honor of HaLeigh, by hiding amongst media, posted pictures of the family, their homes, their vehicles, their neighbors homes, directions to get to the homes.
I do believe that LE fed the frenzy with their mantra of “Misty is the Key” while at the same time not giving any real information to what may have happened to HaLeigh.
If what Cobra told TH is true, and LE did indeed know that Misty was at home sleeping AND that HaLeigh was in the bed WITH Misty, I personally believe LE has done a great disservice to HaLeigh as well as to the community that may still be in danger.
hangnon – Well, maybe I was the only one but I sure have been suggesting other possibilities and asking that the investigation be opened up since long before the bar complaint issue. I could have sworn a few people agreed with me at that time but maybe I was mistaken! LOL!
Anyway, I do agree that the loudest and most vicious bloggers were anti-Ron (and often Misty, too) etc as you said. I often tried to disagree but to no avail. It was like saying “Stay. Sit” to a pack of wild wolves! 🙂
I didn’t/don’t know how much what those people said online influenced media. Yikes!
But I can say that lately bloggers on BNN in particular have opened their thoughts to other possibilitiies and I’m glad of it.
The other thing I have harped on since early in the case, were my doubts about LE for a number of reasons. I also met with a lot of disagreement on that as well. But far less so lately.
So I’m all for moving forward with open minds and reasonably “respectful” doubts about LE. (rather than looking back because the people who most need to learn to behave differently in future are not going to. It’s the way they are. What the rest of us need to learn is to stand up to them more forcefully. IMO)
m2c- Yes we were definitely in the minority in wanting EVERYBODY and EVERY POSSIBILITY to be investigated, and we did meet with much resistance on most online forums, blogs, etc.
I do believe that what the posters said especially on that other “non-journalist’s” site did impact and influence what was being written on his site AND also influenced what was being reported on national media such as NG and JVM.
While I do not always agree with Simon and Jan, I appreciate the opportunity that they give all of us to post our beliefs, thoughts, and feelings BOTH on their website and in the chat on their Sunday broadcasts. I also appreciate Jan trying to get our questions in chat put up to the show panel.
So I take it Crystal’s side hasn’t been thoroughly investigated yet???? *SIGH*
WHERE IS HALEIGH?????
Not deserting you. Just have to run out for a while. Looking forward to talking with you all later!
Have a great day!
The biggest issue I have with LE is the fact that in the first days of HaLeigh being missing they were giving pressers in which they were assuring the public through the media, that they were taking statements and offering LDT to everybody.
What LE failed to inform the public is that while they were offering to give LDT, LE was not following through and actually giving those tests. What good does it do to offer LDT if you are not going to follow through and GIVE LDT to the ones that were giving statements?
Those first weeks of the case EVERYBODY was still around. People have stated they were lined up to take LDT BUT none was given. I think LE was negligent by not following through on giving every single person that was in any way involved with HaLeigh a LDT.
While I understand NOBODY has to take a LDT, it certainly does send up a red flag to LE if a person does not willingly take a LDT when a child is missing.
It certainly would have slimmed down the “suspect” list.
It certainly would have helped to put the investigation on a path that may have brought HaLeigh home long before now.
It certainly would have given LE the tools to know WHO they need to be focused on and who they needed to put pressure on.
I guess it was much easier to do the PCSO CHANT – Misty Is The Key, Misty Is The Key, Misty Is The Key.
Paw69: ::Snicker::
To be honest, nope. We haven’t found Haleigh so we still need to look EVERYWHERE. I too have been talking about possibile issues with LE since the begining. My own county sherriff had just been indicted the summer before for payroll/bonuses kick-back scheme. FBI took him down in fabulous Las Vegas. So let me be the first to stand up and put my hand in the air to be counted, that this type of stuff really happens. I know too much about this little berg. I need to either move or shut up.
I am a grandfather and could not imagine packing up and moving on when my grandchild was missing, I could not do it for nothing in this world. Also i don’t know for sure what happened at the bar with the paternal grandfather, but drinking and partying would not be on my list of things to do to find my grandchild. Come on Grandpa’s help find your grandaughter, stand up like men are suposed too. Help raise money for rewards, detectives, organize searches, and ask questions youselve’s. HELP OUT !!!!
lawshrink, i am one of those skeptics. lawshrink i am posting some of my thoughts and questions concerning your postings here concerning haleigh.
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LawShrink said,in December 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pm “Checking in everyone, sorry we have not been on here much busy trying to bring Haleigh home for Christmas.”
*** personally i find statements like this offensive. even if you are who and what you say, this is just to much! for christmas, really? can h.c.’s family count on you to do your best for christmas? i find your big talk cruel.***
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 2:13 pm “… Puntnam county to find a place to have a benefit concert and dance and guess what, I seem to do really well, and then when they ask me what it is for all sorts of problems crop up for them.” ***hmmmm, really, NO ONE would let you hold a benefit dance? not one venue or hall?***
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 2:21 pm “Hey you know what, I think I will have the concert / Dance / for missing Adji too.”
***lawshrink, how is the party going for adji too??? what if his family read that? they may well have! i don’t know if they read english, but, i bet someone read it to them if they didn’t read it themselves. can adji count on you? i bet you really got their hopes up to have a fundraiser for adji. ***
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am ((about haleigh not being in people)) “… I also called and asked about Haleigh, and if she was going to be in there, they said the family did not return the phone calls.”
***i believe it turned out people magazine said they did not even pick the children to be in the story, i think it was stated that the m & e chldr people chose the children to be featured in the article. would you care to share with all of us who you talked to, who told you that about crystal and ronald?***
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm “…You know what, even despite the fact that Walmart cannot put Haleighs picture up because the family has not signed the release to do so, and people magazine can’t put her in their magazine because the family won’t return their calls.”
***i really wonder about that? i don’t know about this personally, but why did hollysgmom see her pic at walmart?*** ***also if that is true, maybe you should write to haleighs family through the police to forward info that they can have her poster put up.***
and hollysgmom posted the following: HollysGmom said,in November 13th, 2009 at 1:01 am I’m wondering when they pulled the Amber Alert from Wal-Mart. I saw one for Haleigh in April at my local wally. I saw the one at Publix for Haleigh & Adji just yesterday. Am I mistaking the Haleigh info that was discussed above?
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm “…I am (as I speak) printing out 25,000 flyers of her missing poster and I am going to post them in every wayside, Truck stop, fast food restaurant , Back of moving trains, busses and Long haul trucks till the day they find her!!” ***that is a heck of a lot of fliers, but, i guess you could have given out the fliers in large chunks?? and lets not forget your reference to your work for haleigh when haleigh’s own family is not doing this! ***
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***what about all the joking about the concert marie and crystal and the band had. lots of jokes about your donation buying plane tickets and cars, even??? of course when it was pointed out the band was reimbursing ticket buyers, you revealed your donation was previously made before the concert and you could not be reimbursed. but, you were so magnanimous with your kind heart or was it generous heart? you let people think you were talking about the concert, so funny, till someone pointed out you could get your money back. did you even ever make a large donation at all?***
Lawshrink said,in November 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am What I donated might have gone to the cost of, More than 4 plane ticket, 4 days, and nights stay in the best hotel and lobster dinners every night. And a New Car!!
But the price to find Haleigh PRICELESS.
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Lawshrink said,in November 4th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
lawshrink, ((about the 911 tapes)) “I can ask, or get them somewhere online; my brother is a wiz with that stuff. I will post them in the forum when I get them.”
***did your wiz brother ever tell you what was going on in the background of the 911 tape? is it posted for all of us to see what he found? i looked today and did not find it. maybe i really don’t know where to find the info, if it is posted, can you tell all like me, where to find it.***
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Haleigh Cummings – PCSO Has New E-mail Tip Line//
((in response to s.o. never turn on lights per lawshrink))
J said,in October 23rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm “…The lights were on in the Lunsford home when Couey took Jessica Lunsford.
Brian David Mitchell turned on the lights in Elizabeth Smart’s home so she could find sneakers the night she was kidnapped (and her sister was in the same room).
Just to name two.
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lawshrink i remember you mentioning that you were going to be e-mailing jan. i thought at the time you were saying that to make everyone believe in your legitimacy. to me, you talk big about yourself, your family, your knowledge and education, your big heart for haleigh, and now how productive your search is in finding what has happened to haleigh. and lets not forget your fundraising for adji too. if this is a hoax it is really gross. it feels like you are doing this to haleigh not a bunch of adult bloggers. if you are legit i hope you do talk to jan and simon or t.j. so they can someway verify who you are so haleigh’s real family can know if you are on the up and up. of course if i am wrong and your team is giving up their lives to find haleigh, then i will owe all of you more than an apology. if you really are a shrink i hope you appreciate how all this talk can effect people. you don’t want people to blindly believe, do you? i am sure we all think a healthy skepticism is important. especially when you are talking about finding a missing 6 year old precious child. i am being as sincere as i know how. please if you could comment on my questions, i would really appreciate it. ms.p.
I too agree that LE set the pace by referring to Misty, as the key.
That was wrong, and misleading and hopefully we the public, wont be so easily led in the future.
I am glad to see that many ppl, are starting to consider that Misty is an innconent crime victim.
Hopefully the direction of the ppl will change, and help by holding LE accountable for this investigation or lack thereof.
I wud never blame an agency for not knowing how to investigate, a certain crime. However, by trying to conceal the fact that they havent a clue, and dont ask for any help, is the part I have a problem with. They need help and they need it now.
Its time for an update and for some serious questions to be asked. No reporter should accept any answer that Misty holds the key.
Nice to meet you billybob. I agree with and appreciate your post. It’s refreshing to have someone like you around.
Ya know, For a long time now, I have been wonder where the men, other than Ron, have been through this whole ordeal. We hear from the grandmas and aunts. But what about the Grandpas and uncles???
I had posted this before and I’m posting it again because I posted it when others were having an issue and didn’t realize it. Anyways, I’m just wondering if this could be possible as well….
PAW69 said,in December 16th, 2009 at 11:45 pm I’m just going to throw this out there….
Could it be possible that Tommy did go over to Ron and Misty’s, Gave Misty a drug but it was something else that she didn’t realize and it knocked her out for a while, Tommy stole the guns, but in the process Haleigh woke up, and because she could tell on Tommy, Tommy took Haleigh and set up the cinder block at the door and killed Haleigh and put her where ever he put her due to the fact she could tell on him. The drug could be the part that Misty isn’t telling because she doesn’t want to get into trouble and she doesn’t know what happened. It could also be the reason of the confusion of her stories at that time. Tommy is the only one that I see that has really gone down hill since Haleigh disappeared.
All of this is just a thought and an opinion.
TBT I would have responded to you similarly to what Holly’s Gmom had to say. Thank you all for the discussion.
Lawshrink I have no clue who you or your group are but your post has touched my heart.
As far as this case goes my eyes are and have been wide open to any and all possibilities no matter what I believe may have happened and I am open to discussing any and all aspects of the case.
One aspect of this case that is an obvious is the flavor, climate, environment etc… of the different classes of people in the area of Putnam county.
I’ve looked into this and from what I have learned thus far,
We already know that drugs are an issue and gang/pack mentality exists there as it does unfortunately in many areas and states.
(I recall that huge drug bust.)
Along with that comes a different mindset and set of rules within those groups and sub-groups of people(s), gangs, packs and what not.
Some of the different types of rules include not “snitching” on other members within a single group.
Common phrases such as, but not limited to, “ditches are for snitches” or “snitches get stitches” are often heard and used as threats against others.
Most refuse to disobey the threat out of fear of some sort be it fear of rejection or physical harm.
There are few things that over ride this silent honor and first on that list would be for the safety and well being of an innocent Child no matter who’s Child it is.
Children are sacred and to deny honor for Children is considered sacrilegious. It is all about respect, honor and integrity. Above all else. Otherwise the group and/or individuals will be shunned and considered as wannabe trash.
…Still researching and in case anyone is interested I’ll post more later.
Maybe Misty holds the key… as in she knows more on perhaps the person that took HaLeigh. She could have come across the info from her dealings in the streets. She may know about something that could of happened days or even weeks prior to HaLeigh going missing. There are so many possibilities regarding all of them involved. And yes, I do mean all of them.
Why people are so intent on proving/forcing their beliefs on everyone here is beyond me!! State them, Discuss them, Debate them, Move on. Way Too Much Challenging going on.
THE FACT IS… WE WERE NOT THERE… WE DON’T KNOW THEM PERSONALLY… OR DO WE?
Billybob said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I am a grandfather and could not imagine packing up and moving on when my grandchild was missing, I could not do it for nothing in this world. Also i don’t know for sure what happened at the bar with the paternal grandfather, but drinking and partying would not be on my list of things to do to find my grandchild. Come on Grandpa’s help find your grandaughter, stand up like men are suposed too. Help raise money for rewards, detectives, organize searches, and ask questions youselve’s. HELP OUT !!!!
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That wasn’t Haleigh’s grandfather, it was her great uncle. It’s just another sideshow that has nothing to do with Haleigh being gone, sadly.
I do agree about Marty/Connie picking up and moving to KY but lo’ and behold they have returned. This is just my opinion but I find it very odd, were they moving Haleigh to Kentucky or was she in Kentucky and she’s now been brought back to FL? I do believe Marty Sheffield would steal Haleigh from Ron. He made an odd statement saying, paraphrasing,he stole Haleigh from me and now someone has stole her from him.
Vaq,
I too found it strange that someone would bOuNcE, when their loved one is missing. I truly don’t understand the dynamics of their family life. It’s odd behavior all around.
Bless HaLeigh
Wow Vaq, I didn’t think about all that with Marty. That his a huge possibility. That would also maybe explain why Marie grabbed Crystal’s had that day in the interview and gave her that deadlock look. And why she wasn’t really emotional. That also gives a lot ofhope that Haleigh is still indeed alive.
I still think that Misty wasn’t given a drug thinking it was one thing and it was something else. It knocked her out and that’s when everything took place.
cent and Vaq,
I’m somewhat confused on that issue. Wasn’t the move planned prior to Haleigh’s disappearance? From what I have read on that I’m just not certain it was a “bounce” as to escape from the area all quick like.
Could it have been a pre-planned incident somehow incorporated to coincide with the move? Possibly. I don’t know.
If the move was planned, maybe it was planned because of the plan to take Haleigh….???
I had thought about Misty being drugged BUT I do not believe if she had been drugged she would have woken up suddenly a few hours later. I think she would have been out cold until Ron got home, and very groggy when woken.
For me it is not Misty that is the key, it is Tommy. He was at the MH earlier that day giving him the opportunity to unlock the door. He also had access to keys to the MH. He places himself at the MH later that night, in fact he is the last known person to be at the MH besides Misty and the children. He has definitely gone down hill since HaLeigh was taken.
I just can not wrap my head around TC taking HaLeigh because she caught him in the MH stealing. If he was caught in the MH he would have made up an excuse, woke Misty, and told her that Ron was worried because she was not answering the phone so he came to check on her, found the door unlocked so came in. Or something like that.
I think (pray)if TC is involved that it was for a different reason. I think he played a part in a plan to take HaLeigh. I think he was paid for the part he played. I think he was so angry at Ron over what happened the previous week that he gladly jumped into the plan when it was laid out to him. I do not think he or anybody else realized the magnitude that the case would take.
Right Paw that’s what I was getting at. Not a “bounce” if true. It would have all been a pre planned thing if that were the case IMO.
We still do not know what evidence LE does or does not have. I’m wondering what scientific evidence they may have acquired as touch DNA, fiber samples etc…
Holly’s GMom, actually, I do know about the jury process, please don’t assume things about me. I wonder how many people will answer honestly when asked if they have watched news or followed the case in any way. You seem to think that everyone will be honest about prior knowledge of this case or what ever case they may be in the jury pool for.
Hangon – I agree but here is MY twist – I think Tommy WAS a part of it in-so-much that he unlocked the door while he was there earlier in the day to assist someone else in retrieving a weapon Tommy thought he knew Ronald had in his possession. Whomever came that nite (NOT Tommy) did not find the gun. Why? Because it was there as it should have been. It wasn’t the plan to take Haleigh.
now han on there, hangon…..hey everyone, just checking in….anyway, I have been a member of Art’s site (I believe that is who you were referring to in your post, if not, then I apologize) and for MONTHS a handful of us faithful posters tried to put forth the belief that no one has been accused in Haleigh’s disappearance, therefore, we wanted to keep an open mind and not see anyone crucified, especially not her parents or family members, they are having a hard enough time dealing with their grief. Of course, not everyone who was posting there in the beginning shared our views, and the vicious attacks began. We have been called retards, old hags, and other names I will not say here, being the lady that I am. It hurt. It hurt everyone of us, because all we have ever wanted from the beginning was justice for Haleigh. We still cling to the belief that that day will come. We won’t give up our vigil. We refuse to trash the parents of this child.
Now the babysitter and her family? Not so much. Couldn’t raise a whole lot of sympathy for any of them, as I personally believe that Ron was totally used by Misty and her family. But I and many others are not convinced that she really had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance, if she had, she would have broken by now.
We have seen the pain on Ron’s face, on Teresa’s face, on Annette’s face. We have seen Crystal and Marie on tv, supporting each other. We know the backgrounds of the parents, and we also know we all make mistakes in life, and that none of us is perfect enough to judge one another.
I guess what I am trying to say is that the atmosphere at Art’s site is much like the one here these days, and that’s why I like reading and posting at both sites. We are staying focused on the search, of course we are frustrated at the lack of information coming out of the PCSO, but that frustration has not reduced the core group of us, the ones who have been together on this case from the beginning to fighting and bickering and the general madness that seems to have affected so many others regarding this case.
For us, it IS still all about Haleigh.
Maybe some of you will get the chance to come over and check us out sometime, if you do, you will be welcome.
I think most of the trolls have found a new home under a new bridge and it’s safe.
Merry Christmas all, you are a great group.
It got quiet in here. Must be half time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2N7ZAKcXE
In honor of the Jaycee Dugard’s, Haleigh Cummings, and little Adji’s everywhere from my/our hearts to yours.
Good day people,
IMO i feel LE holds the key now to this case.
Sorry – I meant to say ‘it was NOT there as it should have been.’ My apologies.
Tuff Stuff said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
cent and Vaq,
I’m somewhat confused on that issue. Wasn’t the move planned prior to Haleigh’s disappearance? From what I have read on that I’m just not certain it was a “bounce” as to escape from the area all quick like.
Could it have been a pre-planned incident somehow incorporated to coincide with the move? Possibly. I don’t know.
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As far as I know, publicly anyway,that it was not a planned move. Connie had something on her myspace that said they were tired of the scrutiny and the looks from people so they were moving. Connie had a good job there so it must have been a good reason to move besides people looking at them. So with Ruby Sargent Kanger in tow they moved to KY.
Cobra said they had some land up there they were paying on for retirement one day. Connie applied for her license in KY right before the abrupt move back without Ruby. Also Marty had his MIL arrested for making terroristic threats right before they moved back.
Remember the big fall out between Crystal and her father before they moved? Apparently Kim told Crystal that if she went for custody of the kids that Marty/Connie were going to file for custody. I believe Marty denied that but who knows.
GUYS IF I AM WRONG PLEASE FORGIVE ME BUT I THINK/IMO
LAWSHRINK IS PLAYING GAMES.NOTHING MAKES SENSE NOBODY IS GONNA HAND OVER INFO TO gOD KNOWS WHO,DOWN PUTNAM CO.THIS SOUNDS LIKE AN EGO PRANK.HAVE JAN OR SIMON SPOKE W/ THIS PERSON?BLOGGIN N BRAINSTORMN IS ONE THING BUT FALSE HOPE IS ANOTHER….I HOPE IM WRONG. MS.PERIDOT’S POST,I AGREE
I agree with you….I do not believe there is going to be a delivery of Haleigh for Christmas. I think that is a hope and a dream, but nothing more. I do not believe lawshrink. Anyone can get on here and post any crazy thing they want (and some people do). I just dont have a good feeling about lawshrink.
BOANAZA,
U R RIGHT PPL R MEAN THIS, BABY IS MISSING.WHAT AN INSANE THING TO DO!!!!!
I MEANT BONANZA SORRY
My bOnCe comment was pretty much my feeling of them leaving with HaLeigh still missing. I have no idea about the circumstances of the move. I did read somewhere that it was a planned move. I just have a hard time reconciling a “move” planned or not with the case at hand… is all. I’m just going off my own emotions.
Pinky, I don’t know anything about Lawshrink, other than the post that I read. Some posters here totally believe in LS, I think perhaps they have been corresponding. So I think they would be the best to judge LS character. As for me, I hope and pray LS is who LS says they are! I don’t think that LS has given me any reason to seriously doubt them. But, regardless caution is a must for everyone.
To lawshrink,
To raise people’s hopes that Haleigh will be home for Christmas is quite strange. To even insinuate it is bizzare. I question your motivation. Why get on this blog and announce such a thing? Announcements of this proportion should properly wait until Haliegh is indeed found….then blast it to the world….we all want to hear it. This is one of the reasons i believe you are questionable…nobody legitimate with an ounce of sanity is going to announce something like this on this blog.
Vaquera: Is this Crystal’s mother and father?
With Ruby being the grandmother? Interesting they leave her behind. Wasn’t she saying some pretty whacky things? Wonder if SHE has Haleigh or knows something that the rest don’t want spilled (if Ruby’s a little talkative or something). Just a very wild “out there” kind of thought.
oceanviewnan: To clarify, when I commented about rabid wolves I was thinking of some of the posters whose comments I read on a site that is no longer around. 🙂
LawShrink said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 7:48 am
A Lot of people have contacted us from here they have seen our credentials and research us, and know we are for real.
So, If you would like us to send you, our personal credentials, leave us your email and who you are, on the forum and we will gladly respond.
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That is funny, I have asked you to contact me to no avail. Why no contact? I am skeptical myself since asking for contact and being ignored. Still waiting.
That is because I believe lawshrink is a troll. Blogging onto sites to get the attention he thinks he never got as a child. People who believe what he says are going to be sorely disappointed. People like me, however, are just plain annoyed.
NOT ONLY A TROLL A DISGRACE TO THOSE OF US THAT HAVE FOLLOWED THIS CASE AND REALLY CARE ABOUT THE OUT COME,AND WELL BEING OF HALEIGH.HE/SHE IS PROBABLY TRYING TO FIX UP SOME BS CREDENTIALS.
THIS DOESN’T ONLY ANNOY ME IF IT’S AN EGO PRANK IT MAKES ME VERY ANGRY,AND SADDENS ME THAT ONE WOULD BE SOOOOO CRUEL.
nan- I was referring to his site, not his forum, which if I remember correctly did not even come into being until the summer.
I do read posts on the forum but do not post there. There are some good people on the forum, who’s opinion I respect greatly.
Good News in the Casey Anthony case – Strickland has denied three of the infinite motions that the defense has made as of late. Strickland has denied the motion to destroy old video of visits with Casey, denied the defenses request to dismiss the 13 charges of fraud in the stolen check case and the third had to do with a statement (secret recording) made by someone from Equusearch with an investigator for the defense. That one may not be in our favor….not sure as this was the first I’ve heard about this one. Strickland still has to rule on the motion to remove the death penalty from the table and I DON’T see that happening as well as whether future visits with Casey should be recorded on video. I don’t see him going for that either. The jail’s attorney did a pretty good job of shooting that motion down already by asking the judge why they should provide special treatment to one prisoner. They also documented that they were in compliance with all State and Federal requirements and that the video (minus audio) was there for security reasons. Looks like the Monster will have to face ALL charges in the fruad case. That means FELONIES on her record when she goes to trial for murder! YIPEEEEEEEEEEE!
I believe everything blogged. especially boasting (red flag) should be taken with a grain of salt. I just wish the trolls’ attention would dry up. Then IT will move along.
JB – Thank you for the news! I had not heard anything since the hearing last Friday! Thank you!
It would be terrible to find out that the person who is posting as LS is a poser.
Question: How do we know LS is a male poster?
I’m not sure what to think of what is being supposed here but it could be worse though right? It just Rattles me to the core to even consider that someone would or could lie like that especially when it involves a case like this. I suppose though that it could even be a poser who is not only pretending to care for their own self serving purposes, it could also be a man posting as a woman or a woman posting as a man isn’t that right?
Karen.
Oh and I meant to add that although I have no idea who LS is or what the true intentions are I do hope that whatever contributions he or she provides will be helpful in solving this case.
If it is just a poser then the shame is and will be all on them.
I prefer the word “troll”. It is more descriptive.
LawShrink: I don’t know if you are on the up and up or not. I’ve always hoped so and wish you all the luck in the world.
But considering that some of your posts do get peoples’ hopes up (and they may be devastated by potential disappointment) and since Haleigh’s family may feel the same way, would it be okay to ask you to withhold those comments until there really IS good news to report?
Meanwhile I hope you’ll blog as you did before.
If it’s too “bossy” or intrusive to ask this of you, then please just ignore me. I understand.
I will place my bet that lawshrink disappears (cover blown).
m2c♥ said,in December 17th, 2009 at 4:24 pm LawShrink: I don’t know if you are on the up and up or not. I’ve always hoped so and wish you all the luck in the world.
But considering that some of your posts do get peoples’ hopes up (and they may be devastated by potential disappointment) and since Haleigh’s family may feel the same way, would it be okay to ask you to withhold those comments until there really IS good news to report?
Meanwhile I hope you’ll blog as you did before.
If it’s too “bossy” or intrusive to ask this of you, then please just ignore me. I understand.
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m2c,
I need to ask your position on this board? Are you in admin? I notice that you give direction often, and I wud like to know. I have asked you before…
m2c,
If i am not mistaken i think Jan is the only admin. on this board.
HEY BONANZA I BET YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.
GUYS PLEASE GUYS DON’T GET PISSED W/ M2C SHE MEANS WELL.PLEASE.
HAS ANYONE HEARD IF MISTY STILL HAS THE SAME ATTY.?
YOU KNOW I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THE INTERVEIWS IN THE EARLY DAYS,AND I JUST REALLY FEEL LIKE RON HAS TRIED TO PROTECT MISTY.ANY THOUGHTS ON WHY/OPINION.I MYSELF DON’T THINK IT’S OUTTA LOVE.ALSO WHY DIDN’T RON FORCE MISTY TO DO THE REINACTMENT W/ COBRA,CONSIDERING THEY TRUSTED HIM AT THAT TIME?
Good heavens, Anne and FedUp:
Is this “Attack m2c Day?”
As a blogger just like you, I asked a favor of LawShrink in an effort to avoid further upsetting some people. And I said that if it was too bossy or intrusive a request, to just ignore it because I would not take offense. (in other words, I was not saying any of that in a “fighting” or argumentative way.
It was as diplomatic and polite a request anyone could make and I did it (a) to try to help other bloggers and (b) to try to not show disrespect or attack lawshrink.
How could you possibly think that I’m trying to act like admin?
And why is it any of your business what I am saying to LawShrink? It’s Lawshrink’s opinion of it that matters.
Pinkey, there are a few here and “out there” that LOOK for the chance and even IMAGINE chances to jump on me. I don’t know why. I appreciate your support and understanding.
You are one of the people I was trying to support by making that request of LawShrink (so you can get mad at me if you want!) 🙂
Anyone should feel free to make requests of other bloggers…this is an open forum.
AW YA’LL DON’T ARGUE.
IT’S A SMALL THING.LET’S NOT LET TROLLS COME IN AND CAUSE INDIRECT DISGUARD.NOT TO MENTION I’M REALLY THINKING HALEIGH NEEDS THIS FORUM. IF FOR NO OTHER REASON BUT TO KEEP HER NAME ALIVE AND TO EMAIL THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE CONTACTED BCUZ IMO LE SEEMS SHADY.AGAIN IMO SO MANY OTHER LE’s HAVE SAID THE INVESTIGATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED.BUT WHEN YOU HAVE ONES THAT DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO OR DON’T CARE,U C WHAT HAPPENS.WASTING TIME AND MONEY ON COBRA,[HIS ARREST]THAT SAYS ALOT ABOUT THAT COUNTY.WHEATHER COBRA WAS RIGHT OR WRONG SO WAS SNOTGRASS.IMO THERE’S A HIDDEN MOTIVE BHIND THE SCENE.WHAT?… IDK.
m2c,
Not makeing attack on no one. just voicing my opinion is all.I don’t worry about who post what on this board. I just read mostly to see if i see anything different as in opinions here. and all i post here in in my humble opinion.
M2C – U R welcome for the Casey update. Let’s just hope Strickland continues to rule in our favor. It is BIG that he ruled against the defense to drop the 13 fraud charges. There is NO way she’ll get out of those charges as they have video, her own admission, statements from her family that she has stolen checks from her brother, money from everyone in the family AND credit cards. Stupid Bozo even admitted her guilt when HE repaid the bank for the charges on Amy’s account. That was obviously admitting Casey did it in hopes he could make it all go away. BACKFIRE! Bozo is an idiot and after the pitiful statement Lyons made at this last hearing, she doesn’t impress me much either. Monster Mother of the Decade is going to FRY! 😆
Maybe Misty and Ron were ADVISED not to do that reenactment with Cobra. I can only imagine the story that would have been put out there had they done it.
I just wanted to clear something up as far as the Walmart Missing Child Boards go, the families have absolutely nothing to do with that.
Walmart has a contract with NCMEC, and it is NCMEC that sends Walmart the missing fliers to hang in their stores. As more children become missing, new fliers have to be put up SO older fliers are removed UNTIL NCMEC sends the flier back to the store again.
Their is no parental consent needed to post fliers of missing children’s NCMEC fliers. NCMEC has a blanket consent to post amber alert children.
I just wanted to clear that up in case people believed that HaLeigh’s family is somehow responsible for her flier no longer being posted at Walmart. It is totally out of their control.
I understand, Anne, but I don’t see how in your humble opinion that you could have taken my request to LawShrink as pretending to be admin or why you attacked me for it. I expect that kind of attitude from some but not from you. I thought you knew me better than that by now. I was really hurt and disappointed to see that and I hope it’s cleared up now.
m2c♥ said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Vaquera: Is this Crystal’s mother and father?
With Ruby being the grandmother? Interesting they leave her behind. Wasn’t she saying some pretty whacky things? Wonder if SHE has Haleigh or knows something that the rest don’t want spilled (if Ruby’s a little talkative or something). Just a very wild “out there” kind of thought.
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Yes Marty is Johnny her father and Connie is her 20 something YO stepmom and Ruby is her mother.
She has said she would need big bucks to tell her story because she would have to move and the whackiest of them all was what Cobra said in one of the recent radio shows. Cobra said Ruby told him that Ron stole Haleigh and Jr from her from McDonald’s when she had custody of them. She has never had custody of them, ever.
Ruby also was saying about how much money Crystal/Marie were making off of selling 4 dollar tshirts. I believe that was an interview with Tim H. and so was the big bucks statement.
hangnon – I agree. I think most lawyers would probably advise against doing a re-enactment especially for a PI and on video.
And I’m grateful for the info about Walmart’s posters. But in the last part you said that “NCMEC has a blanket consent to post amber alert children.” Was an amber alert put out for Haleigh? And if not, is that a loophole that would mean Walmart would need parental consent?
I think NCMEC has photos of ALL missing kids on their website whether there was an amber alert or not. But I don’t know if that extends to everyone including Walmart. (Not arguing, I just don’t know).
I have been gone all day and just got home and read the days post. They sound a little like kindergarten. Talk about judging & jumping to conclusions with no evidence, telling m2c she’s and admin for expressing what she thinks and calling Lawshrink a troll is pretty bad. LS has been on this site for a very long time for you to decide now that she has no value and is a troll. Ms Peridot you seen a little obsessed, going back into Nov blogs to copy her post. Come on, it sounds to me like she is FOR Haleigh and that is what this is all about. Do we want to crucify anyone that is out to find Haleigh and the TRUTH???? It is the TRUTH??? we all want, isn’t it???? None of us know exactly what is going on but I think we agree we want Haleigh found, dead or alive!! I hope we are not attacking our own. I
can’t imagine Teresa N being mad and calling someone cruel for saying they hope Haleigh is home for Christmas. I think she would be grateful to anyone who is looking, trying and showing they give a shit about Haleigh. I know if it were my grandbaby I would be THANKFUL to each and every person who is doing anything to find my baby. What is this turning into?? attacking people that are trying to help?? I guess I just don’t get it!!! Now you can call me a admin, a troll or a bitch but this is how I have heard alot of this post today. May God help every single person who is trying to find Haleigh!!!!!!!
Treece,
This is an open blog. I have a right to voice what i think. It is bizzare, to say the least, making a statement about bring Haliegh home for christmas. To me that is just unacceptable. I dont believe anyone has any idea who lawshrink is, and i dont believe this poster is credible. I will call out anyone who posts such nonsense.
Advised by who? They didn’t have an atty. at that time.Not to mention they said Misty just didn’t want to.If my child were missing i personally would want to know what happend min. by min. and the hell w/ a love life!!!
I too don’t see why/how they could/should of been advised to NOT DO the reenactment. LE could NOT have used it against them, just like they can not use the rest of the crap that was orchestrated by others. As a parent you do whatever it takes. And NO!!! I am not dissing Ron’s side of the family.
Treece if u disagree w/ what i post that’s healthy bloggin not jumpin on or attacking LS or any one else.I think Misty is involved that’s my opinion,I think Misty should have done a re-enactment w/ Cobra,I think Lawshrink is a fake,and I also think Cobra has been done great in justice.ALL MY PERSONAL OPINION.ONE FACT RONALD AND MISTY DID NOT HAVE ATTORNEYS AT THE TIME THEY DECLINED COBRA’s INVITATION.
I wouldn’t have done cobra’s re-enactment either, he’s not LE and that’s not his job.
OK Cent i’m glad u see my point..Not to diss Ron or family but if Ron felt as strong as he claimed about Misty meeting w/ Cobra he should have put his foot down to get to the truth.IMO Plus if it wasn’t for GGSykes the LDT,and VA may not have been repeated thru TES.In the meeting or whatever it was Misty and Ron had when they stated Misty was tricked [by tim miller] Ron seemed to be more interested in Misty again more than Haleigh.That spoke volumes to me.
MsPeridot,
I just saw your 10:08 am post, I damn near fell out the bed. You are a hoot;-D
Bonanza,
“TRYING to bring Haleigh home” I still can’t see how that is offensive, “bizarre”, “unacceptable” to anyone. Everyone looking for her should be “TRYING” to bring her home for Sunday dinner, Christmas, New Years, any day, ASAP. I don’t know who LS is either but she is not someone that resembles a troll to me. The “trolls” I have seen come on new, hot and heavy, posting bs every other post. LS is not new, doesn’t post often and hasn’t told any BS, side show, stories. It just doesn’t fit to me. She really hasn’t given any info that I have seen, she has basically just stated they are looking. She has insinuated that the local LE is not honest, WOW, something we have all questioned. But you are correct you have the right to state your opinion, just like I do, just like LS does and I respect yours. Treece
Yes Pink… I would think that anyone would do it, if that is what it takes. I never understood the whole defending Misty thing by his family. I can’t get passed the fact Haleigh was in her care. Loving someone does not entitle you to blindness.
Vaq, Cobra is not LE, and he possibly did over-step. But even so, why didn’t Ron insist that it be done? He was on “good terms” with Cobra at the time.
And too be fair… Crystal should have insisted too.
m2c♥ said, in December 17th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I understand, Anne, but I don’t see how in your humble opinion that you could have taken my request to LawShrink as pretending to be admin or why you attacked me for it. I expect that kind of attitude from some but not from you. I thought you knew me better than that by now. I was really hurt and disappointed to see that and I hope it’s cleared up now.
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I didnt not mean my comment to come across to attack NO ONE. Just my opinion is all sorry for the confusion.
m2c♥ said, in December 17th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
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what request?
just to be fair crystal should of been checked and given a poly.CS should have insisted too i agree.
And now I need to say this…. I resent feeling like I must include both sides of the “coin” when discussing something that most likely is ONLY relevant to one side.
I don’t believe that I have ever been pro anybody, besides HaLeigh. Yet, now it’s perceived that way whenever someone makes an unpopular statement/thought. These are my feelings and my feelings only… there is no need to respond… I just needed to say this.. is all.
Hi, Anne! I’m sorry, I must be confused! I thought you had attacked me for making a request to LawShrink @4:24. It seemed like you were accusing me of trying to acting like the board administrator. I couldn’t see how you’d think that when I said to LawShrink, “would it be okay to ask you …” and “If it’s too “bossy” or intrusive to ask this of you, then please just ignore me. I understand.”
That doesn’t sound (to me) like someone pretending to be a board administrator.
Anyway, let’s just put it behind us, if you’re willing. 🙂
m2c
have u ever heard anyhing about a sighting of Haleigh that wasn’t checked out?
m2c♥ said, in December 17th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Hi, Anne! I’m sorry, I must be confused! I thought you had attacked me for making a request to LawShrink @4:24. It seemed like you were accusing me of trying to acting like the board administrator. I couldn’t see how you’d think that when I said to LawShrink, “would it be okay to ask you …” and “If it’s too “bossy” or intrusive to ask this of you, then please just ignore me. I understand.”
That doesn’t sound (to me) like someone pretending to be a board administrator.
Anyway, let’s just put it behind us, if you’re willing.
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Not attacking no one at all. Yep your right lets put it behind us and find Haleigh my friend. Who the hell has her is what i want to no.
cent, let me see if I understand what you are saying.
If you are discussing a theory in which “x” is the perp, you get challenged or attacked because you didn’t mention in the same comment that “y” is also a possible suspect?
Is that the issue?
If so, I agree. We should be able to say, “here’s a theory” or “what about this?” without having to give every other possibility, too. And without people assuming we’re “pushing” that theory or that it means we are pro or con anyone. I thought that most of us agreed recently that keeping open minds and looking at all possibilities was a good thing to be doing now.
Me, too, Anne.
Pinkey @ :48 pm – The only place I’ve heard about that is from the “site I won’t name” run by the “person I won’t discuss.” LOL! I just can’t trust anything he says. So I don’t know if it’s true or not.
m2c,
Yup… you nailed it!! I thought so too. However if you read over some of the latest posts, that agreement is null and void. Anyhow, lets not waste time over it. There are bigger issues at hand. But thanks… for your understanding.
IMO I do think Le is behind this now. ans they know where she is. This is my thinking only.
Sorry for the typos.
cent about your comment at 7:03pm.
Why wouldn’t LE have been able to use the videotaped re-enactment against her? Why wouldn’t they be able to use TM’s videotaped LDT etc? She did it and was recorded voluntarily so I don’t know why LE couldn’t use it. But I don’t know that much about the law with such things.
I suppose a defense attorney could object to it and then it would be up to a judge whether to let it be admitted at a trial but I don’t know of anything right now that makes it something LE couldn’t use.
m2c- I should have said that NCMEC has a blanket consent to post all missing childrens fliers that are registered with NCMEC, not just Amber alerts.
Point being, when a child is reported missing to LE, there is a blanket consent that their fliers can be posted. WalMart has a contract with NCMEC to post the missing childrens fliers in their stores.
So if I want to post a missing child’s flier someplace, I just need to download it and can post it without a consent from the family.
Anne,
That has crossed my mind also. I was sorta leaning to LE knowing where she is and what happened before that night events. I do not believe that this was an “opportunity” type of situation.
Pinky- I dont recall Ron every stating that he felt strongly that Misty should meet with Cobra.
If you are talking about the meeting with Cobra and Ron at Memas all of the details of that meeting were not released when the story was put out there.
Such as Ron was not alone when he met with Cobra at MeMas, and it was not Misty that kept calling Ron to leave, it was in fact Ms. Neves.
Unless you heard it come from Ron’s mouth, you can’t believe it.
hangnon, thank you. I thought that’s what you meant. I just wanted to make sure I understood.
LDT are NOT admissible in a court of Law, regardless who administers it.
M2C,
I was speaking about it being used in a court of law… LDT not being admissible… And even the videotaped re-enactment would not be done in a controlled environment.
To be honest… I am laughing my ass off, at what I am typing. I have no idea either about the subject.
M2C, please do not take this seriously, it just all sounded good in my head earlier. Now, of course I am wondering what the hell I am talking about.
hangon,
Thank you for your 8:19 post… that at least backs up part of my argument. 🙂
It’s the NyQuil folks… still nursing this bug I caught.
Pinky- there was a couple of possible sightings in the North Augusta area that were not investigated completely, the businesses were not contacted by LE nor were their security video’s requested.
And yes the info is on TH’s site in the form of documents filed by the person who reported the sightings to LE and attorneys, so while some may not find it “credible information” simply because it is on TH’s site, TH is NOT the one that had the info, he just reported it to the public, and to officials.
Fair enough Treece.
cent said, in December 17th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Anne,
That has crossed my mind also. I was sorta leaning to LE knowing where she is and what happened before that night events. I do not believe that this was an “opportunity” type of situation.
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OR where they in on that nite of events?
Anne,
You know not so long ago people were thinking that Ronnie boy was possibly an informant/drug dealer. I will say it… I am one of those people and I still believe that it IS indeed POSSIBLE. But, of course I have no proof, these are my feelings/suspensions.
As far as LE being in on that night… well, it’s a far stretch for me to lean in that direction… FULLY. But, I wonder if an ex LE is at the center of this mystery.
cent said, in December 17th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Anne,
You know not so long ago people were thinking that Ronnie boy was possibly an informant/drug dealer. I will say it… I am one of those people and I still believe that it IS indeed POSSIBLE. But, of course I have no proof, these are my feelings/suspensions.
As far as LE being in on that night… well, it’s a far stretch for me to lean in that direction… FULLY. But, I wonder if an ex LE is at the center of this mystery
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Yes i agree its possible cuz he always got off all his bonds.And the ex-LE yes i agree with your theroy on that thought. I can give you names. all this imo
cent @ 8:20 – I’m laughing too. I’m too tired and should not blog anymore tonight.
You’re right of course that LDT’s are not admissable. I was thinking of general videos like TV interviews or possibly that re-enactment if it had happened. You know that would have been on the internet and TV 5 seconds after it was shot. And that would have been fair game for LE to “use” if they wanted to. That’s why lawyers usually advise their clients not to give interviews – even innocent people. It’s too easy to get tripped up or goof and seem to have cooked your own goose, you know?
Good night fellow bloggers and God bless Haleigh wherever she is.
In the beginning when Haleigh went missing it was rumor that a ex LE that was retired was who took this baby and this ex LE had lost a child. But like I said this is a rumor only.
Anne,
I have never heard that rumor… tell me more. Did this person live in Jackson in a trailer home?
cent said, in December 17th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Anne,
I have never heard that rumor… tell me more. Did this person live in Jackson in a trailer home?
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cant i cant remember its been so long. But i wish i had saved that site or info where i read this at.
Ok… and I think I meant Jacksonville anyways.
cent said, in December 17th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Ok… and I think I meant Jacksonville anyways.
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I am just not sure. But it was rumor that this retired LE took her and move to south fl somewhere. But like i said it was in the begining of this case. Rumors fly ya know.
Very interesting the dispatch notes and record for the 911 call made to Tommy’s that night cannot be located anymore.
What if Tommy went to the trailer at Ron’s request, and Misty was gone, kids were alone, and Tommy took them to his trailer? Thinking he was going to get Misty in trouble, he calls LE. Well what if X-LE got a call saying what was going on and had HaLeigh taken to him. Just saying X-LE could have been looking out for her, knowing what was going on thinking him and his family could provide better for her. This person then moves suddenly from a place he has lived for his entire 40 some yr. life, to another state. To crazy? Maybe not…
Yes, they are plentiful.. Well, GoodNight Anne, my medicine has kicked in like SIN.. It’s kicking my butt. Take Care, I shall see you here tomorrow.
Although I am signing off… Iowa R U in the know? I will pick back up here tomorrow.
Seems that the trolls have been busy with rumors lately. Who started the one about Ex-LE having Haliegh? That is really a stretch imo.
Misty is the key and has been since the beginning of this and until she talks or evidence is found we are stalled in this case.imho
Does anyone know if there is going to be a new search? Has laura foundation made any press releases or anything? No word about G-Ma effort to get FBI to investigate?
There seems to be no news at all…..
hello everyone,
i did think through, whether to post my concerns or not. i still believe it was right to ask lawshrink some questions. i wish that jan, simon or t.j. would let us know if they have had contact with this person and what their impression is.
treece i would personally be angry with anyone calling you names. i would never, even think such a thing.
i don’t want to contribute to censoring anyone. also i do not think m2c♥ was acting like a administrator.
this is an example of why i am concerned:
LawShrink said,in December 17th, 2009 at 7:48 am “…leave us your email and who you are, on the forum and we will gladly respond”
now i know everyone here is an adult and of course you can decide for yourself what is best. it is really making me nervous for people to say who they are without conformation who is on the other end. i do not consider myself internet savvy, i am trying my best to be careful.
thank you hangnon for the information on the fliers at walmart and how they work.
and thank you everyone for understanding i am just expressing concern. and if someone is falsely claiming to having a team i really think that is just cruel.
truthbetold, thank you for sharing that info at 3:26pm. that is interesting!
i don’t intend to bring up this topic again, everyone can decide for themselves.
and back to the point of this blog, talking about what happened to haleigh. ms.p
Cobra,
I have supported you from the beginning and always will.
Misty is the fall person, and what an easy target she turned out to be. Almost a year later and no sign of HaLeigh or clue what happened to her. Could this be because Misty outsmarted LE? Probably not. She was used. Probably drugged. Maybe that explains why she said everything seemed to be a dream. I am not in the know, just trying to find out what happened to this sweet little girl like everyone else here. I do find it really, really strange that no one in her immediate family is doing much to find her. If she were my child or grandchild I would move heaven and earth to find her, the best private investigators money could buy would be on the case the day she was taken. JMO of course but I believe this to be the biggest clue of all. Why look for a child you know is perfectly safe? Tobias, I am not talking about acting LE, think family X-LE…again JMO. Also Tobias, I was the one who contacted The Laura Foundation. They told me a family member had to request their services, so I gave the info to both sides of the family. One side made contact with the Laura Foundation immediately. The other I have not heard back from. To answer your other question, I have heard Teresa N requested FBI involvement but Marie G was not included in that request.
ms.peridot19
i agree w/ u.i don’t feel like u started any trouble,just voicing ur concerns.u don’t seem obsessed IMO.AGAIN I AGREE LAWSHRINK MAY VERY WELL BE A PHONEY.I TOO WONDER IF SIMON OR JAN HAVE SPOKEN TO LSHRINK.
I am not a Troll at all!!!
Iowa,
Kudos to you my friend. I agree with you last post.
iOWAMOM
THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE,THAT MISTY WAS DRUGGED.BUT WHO WOULDA DRUGGED HER?
Both Grandmothers were included in requesting FBI take over the case.
Pinkey32/HUMBLED said, in December 17th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
iOWAMOM
THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE,THAT MISTY WAS DRUGGED.BUT WHO WOULDA DRUGGED HER?
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Its rumor that she went thru woods to get drugs that nite Pinkey. rumor only!!
iowamom,
I am trying my best to understand your last post.
I am confused about your last sentence where you are saying, “I have heard Teresa N requested FBI involvement but Marie G was not included in that request.”
Now I am wondering who you heard that from because a few media outlets there in Florida have released articles that clearly state otherwise.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5878869.php?
Why would the media claim that both GrandMothers had made this request if it were not true?
iowamom,
You also said,
“One side made contact with the Laura Foundation immediately. The other I have not heard back from.”
This might sound silly but the way you typed that out it sounds as if you are from the Laura Foundation. Are you?
cent said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Anne,
You know not so long ago people were thinking that Ronnie boy was possibly an informant/drug dealer. I will say it… I am one of those people and I still believe that it IS indeed POSSIBLE. But, of course I have no proof, these are my feelings/suspensions.
As far as LE being in on that night… well, it’s a far stretch for me to lean in that direction… FULLY. But, I wonder if an ex LE is at the center of this mystery.
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Marty/Johnny is ex DOC and ex PCSO and has a brother/s that still works for DOC. I wish there was a way to find out if the reason he was fired from PCSO was the rumor I heard back in the beginning. Would current PCSO officers/deputies/detectives cover for an ex law breaking deputy? I don’t know..
I could be wrong but I had understood the 2 grandma’s to be Teresa N and Grandma Sykes. Just FYI
cent said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Yes Pink… I would think that anyone would do it, if that is what it takes. I never understood the whole defending Misty thing by his family. I can’t get passed the fact Haleigh was in her care. Loving someone does not entitle you to blindness.
Vaq, Cobra is not LE, and he possibly did over-step. But even so, why didn’t Ron insist that it be done? He was on “good terms” with Cobra at the time.
And too be fair… Crystal should have insisted too.
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I don’t know if they were on good terms or not at that time. It’s pretty obvious which side he was working for from the getgo.
Treece, it was Marie.Marie gave a statement saying that the feds need to take over because Putnam County was corrupt.
Interesting Treece. As far as the article that I included the link for reads, not only is Marie G. making that request she is also making accusations.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5878869.php?
“Griffis, Haleigh’s maternal grandmother, said a federal probe is needed because Haleigh was abducted from a jurisdiction that is extremely corrupt.”
Vaquera said, in December 17th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
cent said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Anne,
You know not so long ago people were thinking that Ronnie boy was possibly an informant/drug dealer. I will say it… I am one of those people and I still believe that it IS indeed POSSIBLE. But, of course I have no proof, these are my feelings/suspensions.
As far as LE being in on that night… well, it’s a far stretch for me to lean in that direction… FULLY. But, I wonder if an ex LE is at the center of this mystery.
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Marty/Johnny is ex DOC and ex PCSO and has a brother/s that still works for DOC. I wish there was a way to find out if the reason he was fired from PCSO was the rumor I heard back in the beginning. Would current PCSO officers/deputies/detectives cover for an ex law breaking deputy? I don’t know..
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They do cover for there own don’t they? And at this point its not far fetchced for me Vaq. Think about it.And Yes i do think that Ronnie boy could or is a informant cuz someone covered for Him as not to have any fines to pay. this is in my opinion only.This is the direction i lean in and I have from day one.
tobias said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Seems that the trolls have been busy with rumors lately. Who started the one about Ex-LE having Haliegh? That is really a stretch imo.
Misty is the key and has been since the beginning of this and until she talks or evidence is found we are stalled in this case.imho
Does anyone know if there is going to be a new search? Has laura foundation made any press releases or anything? No word about G-Ma effort to get FBI to investigate?
There seems to be no news at all
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Marty Sheffield is ex LE, it’s not a stretch for me to say I think he had something to do with it.
If indeed PCSO is corrupt or just has a few rogue officers/detectives/deputies then the FBI really needs to take this case over. I’ve always said I can think of only 2 reason for PCSO handling this case they way they have and that is either they are inept as hell or corrupt as hell and don’t want outsiders to know what is going on in that county.
If Marty Sheffield had something to do with it we need the TRUTH. The TRUTH needs to be revealed and Haleigh brought back home. KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!!!! I don’t care WHO had something to do with it they need to be exposed.
treece said, in December 17th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
If Marty Sheffield had something to do with it we need the TRUTH. The TRUTH needs to be revealed and Haleigh brought back home. KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!!!! I don’t care WHO had something to do with it they need to be exposed.
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Yep i agree with you.I will catch up tomorrow.Bible says to the truth will set you free and i am a believer of His word. Nite
And i am not a troll. ask Jan.
The verdicts Ron got for his charges are not less then what other people get in Putnam County, if you go and read through court docs. I doubt all of them are informants. Believe me, Ron got know breaks on any of his court cases, he received the standard punishment for Putnam county FL.
thank you pinkey32/humbled
i appreciate your saying that. ms. p.
LE is the Key. Not Misty. Come on LE, do your jobs, press in. Suspects should be narrowed down and out by now.
mc2heart, I feel for ya Darlin. Some are going across the net attacking others instead of keeping it about the cases. Hang in there, good overcomes. Love this blog, most all the posters remain calm and polite, thanks.
LawShrink said,in December 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pm Checking in everyone, sorry we have not been on here much busy trying to bring Haleigh home for Christmas.
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So let me get this straight….. Lawshrink is now a “troll” because he/she stated this comment and used the word “trying”??? Or was that part over read???
If Lawshrink is “trying” to get Haleigh home before Christmas, I see that as a wonderful thing. Because atleast Lawshrink is “trying” to give her and her family a Christmas miracle.
Not once did Lawshrink say “Haleigh WILL be home for Christmas”.
I think we are ALL hoping,praying,wishing for that miracle to happen.
I think if Lawshrink was a “troll” we would have figured that out a long time ago. And I think Jan would have nipped it in the butt a long time ago.
Also, when Lawshrink left this comment….
LawShrink said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 7:48 am
A Lot of people have contacted us from here they have seen our credentials and research us, and know we are for real.
So, If you would like us to send you, our personal credentials, leave us your email and who you are, on the forum and we will gladly respond.
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The part about “leave us your email and who you are.” I think Lawshrink was talking about your screen name you use so he/she could put the screenname with the email.
All of this of course is my personal opinion.
We are behind you, Cobra, all the way. I am praying for you, regularly. I hope you come out of this with everything you lost restored. Don’t get bitter, because bitterness will eat you up, and it will bring you to total ruin. It will influence everything in your life, without you even realizing it.
Yes, PAW69, I for one am hoping, wishing, praying for that miracle to happen and I am thankful Lawshrink is “trying” to give Haleigh and her family that Christmas miracle.
I also believe Jan sincerely loves Haleigh and
prays for that same miracle everyday.
Everyone say a special prayer this week for Haleigh’s tips to be followed and for her to come home this week. Pray hard !
hello treece and paw,
i am sorry i upset you. that of course was not my intention. i was upset myself. i certainly was not talking about the emphasizes of christmas. more about if someone had really put a team together. it would be cruel if not true to be making promises of:
“A ton of Info is being given to higher ups L.E. that have taken a great interest in this!! They will bring them to justice”
the use of christmas, seems to me to be manipulative. that is how i read it.
i would love for someone to step in and find haleigh and help bring justice on her behalf. but, this person is a very big talker, and i think it could be painful to haleigh’s family and to adji’s family. i was concerned about motives. if i am wrong i am sorry, but, i felt strongly enough and decided to express my concerns.
i am hoping if simon, jan, or t.j. know anything about lawshrink or an investigative team they will share this with us if they can.
no one is saying praying for haleigh’s return is the issue. it certainly is not with me. it is the cumulative statements. if lawshrink is on the up and up, and is as sophisticated as she said she is with all that education, don’t you think she will be able to appreciate if someone is concerned? i would be. a couple of times when someone questioned her, she seemed harsh in response, imo.
i am in no way questioning your prayers or jan’s prayers or anyones prayers for that matter.
i said i would not bring this up anymore, just want to apologize to you for upsetting you.
i enjoy reading both your points of view and you give me much to think about. ms. p.
paw,
whoops sorry,
paw,
i was going to make a post about earlier comments you made. i am still finding it interesting about the fact that it is more the women that have dealt with the public. it seems from afar that maybe more women were close to haleigh.
also about if somebody could have drugged misty like in your scenario above. i do think it is possible, especially if she was partying at all that night. maybe someone came over and and they smoked weed or maybe someone just stopped by and slipped her something in a drink. if this happened obviously it would be someone she knows. i see others covered this topic tonight.
i hope this weekend we will be hearing the laura foundation will be coming on board.
Ms.P., I’m not upset persay.
But, what I am upset about is the fact that when someone tries to help find Haleigh, they get attacked. When someone speaks of 1 side or the other, they get attacked by the opposing side. If someone doesn’t approve of a theory or a possibility, they get attacked. That’s what upsets me.
Like everyone else, I’m frustrated too. And I know we have to watch for people who aren’t here for the right reasons. Sometimes I wonder if we are too cautious though. Kinda like the whole Roy Kronk ordeal. When you see a hero get ripped apart, you tend not to do what’s best, and then you tend to turn your cheek the other way because you don’t want to be ripped apart like that. I think that’s also what’s going on in this case. People won’t talk and they won’t help and they won’t be apart of it at all due to fear of being ripped apart.
BTW, I just want to clarify on my last post, It’s in generalization. And just how I feel.
hello paw,
i hear you. i notice similiar comments are also being said by others today.
well i have to say good night/morning, i hope tomorrow brings good news. ms.p
oh i wanted to say for those of you who missed a fun post simon and jan made, you might want to check it out for yourself
CD/DVD Review: Paul McCartney Good Evening New York City
http://www.bloggernews.net/123288
PAW69 said, in December 18th, 2009 at 1:54 am
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I agree totally with you Paw69. I am for ANYONE that helps in this case and can find this baby girl. God Bless Her.
While I do not think anybody should be “attacked”, I do not see that happening here on BNN. I do think that we all have a right, and should, question some things that people post.
I for one, have seen so much game playing, false info, and blatant lies, put out on this case, that I do question things, and research things, probably more then I should.
I pray that Law will be HaLeigh’s hero and bring her home. What a wonderful Christmas gift that would be to HaLeigh and all those HaLeigh loves.
GOOD MORNING,
I HAD APOLOGIZED YESTERDAY,AND I AM AGAIN 2DAY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE.HOWEVER I PRAY HALEIGH COMES HOME SOON.
Does anyone know if either of Haleigh’s parents requested FBI’s help? It appears from what I’ve read that the grandmothers did, but did the parents? What are Ron, Crystal and Misty up to these days? And also does anyone know what the plan is for the Haleigh Bug center that was moved? TIA
I agree with some other posters that it would be great if Jan could authenticate LawShink’s claim that she has a team of investigators working on the HaLeigh case.
LawShrink has offered the credentials of these individuals to posters who send in their personal information, but that is obviously problematic. If Jan authenticates this “team”, it would remove the cloud of suspicion that surrounds these extraordinary claims.
I welcome anyone that spends their time and energy on this case trying to the the truth. What I don’t welcome is anyone making false claims that further muddies the water or misleads people.
I like many have done my own research where I found that the dump was missed, or at least not checked very thoroughly.
LE told me (Lt Greenwood) that on Feb 15,09 they met the garbage trucks at the dump, and checked each truck contents one by one . He said they never checked the actual landfil, and the trucks they cheked were trucks that had collected the residential garbage that had been collected from 4 days prior.
It was after talking to him that I called the landfil where the girl confirmed that LE was out there on that Saturday after Haleigh’s disappearance. They also told me that the dumpsters local to satsuma, are privately rented and picked up by the waste management company, on an individual set set schedule, which is determined by the business owner/renter of the dumpster. They were not part of the search. Also, there may have been a collection in between Haleigh’s disappearnce and the Saturday that they were out there.
These dumpster pick ups continued all week and were NOT CHECKED. Some dumpsters are only collected weekly or even semi monthly, depending on the demand.
In hindsight, knowing there was a hit on a dunpster close to the community, a couple of weeks after Haleighs disappearance made me sick. It has to be considered that she may be there.
We know that S.O typically dump the child like garbage, in dumpsters or at the landfil itself..Somer is a good example of this.
On account that this was missed IMO, I can only wish they wud return and do a proper search. Her disappearance seems consistent with a S.O whether it was someone known to the families or not. Little Somer’s disappearnce and gravesite, is a good example of what these perps do, and how they treat their remains. She was close by to Haleighs area. On account that there has been no arrest, in Somers case, I almost wonder if the pig’s DNA isnt in the database, but one wud think that evidence wud have been found on her body. Lets pray for that.
It is still possible (as the dumps are blueprinted) and they cud go bak to the date that several dogs hit on that particular dumpster and find out exactly where it was dumped and when. The more time goes on the harder it will be.
After this much time, it wud be plausible to suspect that little Haleigh is no longer with us. It is inconceivable that someone cud have her this long, with her known medical issues where she cud still be alive.
So many ppl. want to help, and rather than discussing the families, maybe many emails need to be sent to PCSO asking for answers and results. They appear to be at a stand still with case, why not at least go and chek the landfil to rule it out.
If you personally are unsure that contents of this post is accurate, you cud call them yourself. He is the media rep for the agency and his role is to field calls just like this on. He is not on the beat where time taken wud interfere in PCSO’s dutied to serve and protect. Once you confirm what I say, is fact..emails from many wud have to get the ball rolling.
Hi,Spydee0025 (9:06 a.m.):
I have not read anything about the parents asking for FBI assistance. Only the grandparents:
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/12/13/haleighs_famiy_wants_fbi_to_take_over_search.html
CFNews13 Orlando, Fl
12-14-09
Could someone tell me why Marty Sheffield was fired from the Police Dept?
Many thanks!
Truth Be Told Deec 17 2009 1:25 PM
Well, Truth I do KNOW that people may lie about what they already know but I;m wondering if those who DO lie, especially in a DP case (if it ever comes to one) That what they are doing is JURY TAMPERING and may get the crimminal they are trying to stack the deck againsts OFF! Do you think that that qwill DISWAy these people from lying? If it ever came out later, they’ve done the CHILD, the JudiciaL System (Whom they would have to then face), and thier COUNTRY a diservice. Please re-post this anywhere you think that someone may be trying to jury tamper. Save themselves and the rest of us someheart ache…but then again go ahead, BE the BIG SHOT, tamper with the case, get the guilty party freed due to your own corruption and dishonesty. It’s only a child’s life in the balance!
Please also take note of this morning;s news. The FBI linguist (yes, there really was one) who passed “Windchime” those FBI classified documents has been not only arrested, but charged with a 2 yr sentence, loss of job with FBI, and I’m sure more.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/FBI-linguist-admits-to-passing-secrets-to-blogger-8666411-79570872.html
“An FBI contract linguist from Silver Spring has pleaded guilty to leaking classified documents to a blogger who then published them, federal prosecutors said Thursday.
Shamai Kedem Leibowitz will likely be sentenced to nearly two years in prison after admitting to abusing his top secret clearance by giving the classified documents to the blogger whom authorities would not name. ”
I’m off to write about this and another WHOLE article on why JURY TAMPERING IS STUPID!!!!
It is my understanding he was not fired, he was given the option of “retiring” (or whatever they called it). I have never been able to get a clear answer to that question, even though I had asked a friend of Marty’s.
I have researched and found nothing in the way of concrete proof. Rumor is drugs/assaults, but no way that I have found to prove it.
Fed up- are the private dumpsters dumped at the same land fill as residential business garbage is dumped? Do you know?
Good morning all…
Fed Up, I agree with what you are saying. In fact in the beginning when the dogs “hit” on the dumpster (although it was determined to be an anomaly) I thought she was taken by registered s.o. Donald Sapp. He was staying with Misty’s brother and renovating a trailer down the road that he currently lives in. I thought maybe because he was staying there with her brother LE would not have looked for him there to question him. He was registered as a s.o. living in Crescent City. The trailer he was remodeling is the trailer him and Billy Wager live in now. Remember he had an affair with her while she was married to Jeff and then Jeff was killed in an accident a day or two after filing for a restraining order against Sapp (which was denied). My original theory was he took the van, went to Ron and Misty’s, took HaLeigh (maybe Misty was at her brother’s so he knew he could get in and out without notice) perhaps he took her to that trailer he was renovating. If he did and did something to harm her maybe her scent would have been on some of the remodeling remnants he disposed of in that dumpster. There are so many reasons Donald Sapp could be responsible. Too many to list but if anyone wants my entire two page theory I sent to every level of LE, I would be glad to share it.
Oh, and I am not a troll, I take offense to that I have spent hours on this and a lot of money producing fliers and traveling to post them. Like everyone here, I am here for HaLeigh. And yes, we could use a Christmas miracle…God bless you all for working on this so diligently. Thank you Jan and Simon for providing a place for us to chat about this case.
I guess I have to include the disclaimer that my comments about Donald Sapp are my opinion only.
iowamom:
I had similar thoughts about Sapp. And now that we know that Ron called Tommy it’s even more interesting to consider. I’ve heard two versions of what Ron supposedly said to Tommy: (1) Is Misty here? (or do you know where she is?) and (2) Go over to my MH and check on her.
Either way, if Sapp was there he might have heard about this and maybe then or later gone over to the MH. IF what Tommy recently said is true, that he went over and Misty was not there, then Sapp could have waited until everyone was asleep and gone over then.
Unfortunately, LE is not releasing enough information about what they’ve done (for example interrogating Sapp or taking the dogs to the house he was working on?), who they’ve interviewed and what they said, etc. for us to be able to pursue this. I can only hope that LE really HAS pursued it.
Oh, yea! Does it sound to anyone else, like LE knows Very valuable info that somehow was “accidentally released” by a retired FBI informant through a blogger (who was questionable)? Like those 5 documents that were passed, were authentic? G, I hope not!
I COULD just be because ANY documents were passed BUT… why would this FBI linguist risk so much if THEY didn’t believe or know it to be true? Just throwing it out there. SOund off!
Hollys Gmom:
I am lost, what five documents are you referring to? I must of missed something?
I do not believe LE is incompetent, I believe they do not have enough hard evidence to arrest or convict the person they feel did this. Remember we all have constitutional rights and LE has to follow all the rules or this person could get away with this. Double jeprody, false arrest, harrasment and many other things could come down on them. Their hands are tied even if they know who did it if they lack evidence.(LE in Hasanni Campbells case did arrest the foster aunt and her boyfriend, but had to release them because they had no evidence) Misty isnt stupid, she knows they have no witnesses,no body, no evidence at all. She probably feels guilt but also fears a life in prison more…jmo
HollysGmom: Whatever you “threw out” here, I didn’t catch! 🙂 Could you explain what docs etc you are talking about please? Thank you.
Is iowa talking about Answer again? I thought we all realized Answer was a troll and had no facts to back up what they were saying.
This seems to be becoming a Merry Go Round of false statements. Follow only the facts or you risk believing untruths and get sidetracked into trolls lies and rumors , they really need to find a better hobby . What they do is just evil and cowardly… imo
Speaking of Trolls did anyone else hear about Derrick on craigs list offering to help needy families at Christmas? He chose the most needy families and told them not to ask anyone else for help and then when they came to collect the gifts he said they were lazy and got what they deserved, NOTHING. This person is beyond evil, and sorry to say he is not the only one out there. THAT IS WHAT A TROLL IS,JUST MEAN AND EVIL.IMHO
Oh my gosh why does that rumor about D Sapp staying at Misty’s brothers keep coming back after 10 months? The MH that D Sapp moved into IS not down the road from Ron’s MH or Misty’s brothers MH’s, either of them.
I have asked people every time that it is posted, where they got that info, and nobody seems to know. It was originally posted on Topix, at least that is the first place I saw it.
D Sapp is not related to Lindsy. His girlfriend is distantly related to the Griffis side of the family.
While I think sharing theories is great and gets us thinking, putting info out and making it sound as fact when there is indeed no proof of it, is not a good thing, IMO
JackWells said,
in December 18th, 2009 at 9:08 am edit
I agree with some other posters that it would be great if Jan could authenticate LawShink’s claim that she has a team of investigators working on the HaLeigh case.
LawShrink has offered the credentials of these individuals to posters who send in their personal information, but that is obviously problematic. If Jan authenticates this “team”, it would remove the cloud of suspicion that surrounds these extraordinary claims.
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OK if it will help clear this up perhaps you could send me the credentials to prove you are on the up and up LawShrink and no one would have to wonder anymore whether you are legit or not here.
If you can email me at jannyo@gmail.com and send something that can verify who you are I would be happy to pass the information along to everyone else here.
Thanks,
Jan Barrett
I was adding to this post. Also sometimes after a post others comments don’t always show up right away. It might help us to keep that in mind. I know it frustrates me at times.
I was adding to this news clip and what I think MIGHT be pertinent info to this case and SINCE someone who seems to know A LOT about this case MIGHT have answered me, it might be.
This summer was all held our breath as the blue’crubbed lady passed a newspaper desk clerk an envolope…..
I think this story connects to that story. I could be wrong…I just wanted you guys to check it out and see what you think.
Here’s the repost. I left the last part in just cause it felt good to re-say it.
“Please also take note of this morning;s news. The FBI linguist (yes, there really was one) who passed “Windchime” those FBI classified documents has been not only arrested, but charged with a 2 yr sentence, loss of job with FBI, and I’m sure more.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/FBI-linguist-admits-to-passing-secrets-to-blogger-8666411-79570872.html
“An FBI contract linguist from Silver Spring has pleaded guilty to leaking classified documents to a blogger who then published them, federal prosecutors said Thursday.
Shamai Kedem Leibowitz will likely be sentenced to nearly two years in prison after admitting to abusing his top secret clearance by giving the classified documents to the blogger whom authorities would not name. ”
I’m off to write about this and another WHOLE article on why JURY TAMPERING IS STUPID!!!!
Thanks hagnon
The D Sapp storie never had wheels , though i heard he is in jail now for being a demon that he is and i hope he never gets out.
Hollys GMOM- you lost me!
I just wanted to remind everyone that sometimes I might take awhile to answer. I am only online sporatically. My work schedule changes weekly and I use the internet when I have a chance at home (I’m dukin it out with 4 18-21 yr old for my turn LOL) Also Jan & SImon have allowed me a fantastic opportunity to help raise awareness for these kids by writing my own articles and reviews that contain info about this case or others to keep these names out there. I am currently working on an article for Hasanni & Marc Anthony Bookal. I am comparing the two cases, if for no other reason than I get to mention Hassani 1 more time. I really am also going to write an article about what exactly constitutes Jury Tampering and How to avoid it and WHY.
Thanks to all who even care enough to post, regardless of your opinion, one way or another.
Peace
Lesa
hangnon: Which part?
The post sometimes don’t show up for everybody right away? or the Woman in Blue scrubbs who gave the newspaper in Jacksonville a sealed envelope that claimed to know where Haleigh was becasue the information had come from a former FBI “Informant” part?
Or the part about whether or not this story has anything to do with that story?
FBI Linguist Sentenced For Passing Blogger Classified FBI Inforamtion (WHich was 5 documents that came from the FBI server) It’s in the article I linked.
Hello Family,
I am trying to get caught up in between sneezes.. I don’t want to harp on this subject, but I just read Jan’s post, I won’t go back and look for it but I thought LawShrink said or implied that Jan/Simon had/could prove they(LS) was on the level?
Lesa- Interesting. I am not clear if the 5 docs were related to the CA case, or another case, or HaLeigh’s case.
I do believe WC does live in that same area, or not far from, the FBI linguist. And I have compared pics and it looks like to me that if it is not WC at the ST Augustine Newspaper, then it is her sister.
tobias said,in December 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am “I do not believe LE is incompetent, I believe they do not have enough hard evidence to arrest or convict the person they feel did this. Remember we all have constitutional rights and LE has to follow all the rules or this person could get away with this. Double jeprody, false arrest, harrasment and many other things could come down on them. Their hands are tied even if they know who did it if they lack evidence.”
Tobias, I agree with you 100%.
The thing is though, and I am touching on and adding to what I posted earlier yesterday, the responsible person(s) in this case have now dishonored the trust of everyone that they know by committing a sacrilegious act. Alliances of that nature do not last. They can’t when it is all about trust, respect, honor and integrity. Basic friendships alone depend on those ingredients and when a friendship has been compromised by a breech and insult of those basic fundamental ingredients then it changes everything.
I was asked (can’t remember by who) to send some information to LawShrink for thier team to include. The emailed the info, as I have not been secretive about my account, I figured it couldn’t hurt. I’ve done some searches on that email address and/or the name used on the email address (Not a Person’s actual name) and this is what I found so far.
These are post made by a person using that same screenname as the email addy I was told to use:
said,in October 7th, 2009 at 1:12 pm Thank you Ksue, I think the first videos and
interviews right after it happened with all of these “people of interest” in this case are
most telling. They are “Raw” before they all were able to start rehearsing their stories.
in October 8th, 2009 at 7:45 am Has anyone else seen this?
Haleigh Cummings’ stepmother stopped in road-rage complaint
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-misty-cummings-road-rage-
100709,0,7261900.story
in October 8th, 2009 at 8:18 am Driver, Donna Brock age 43 from georgia
blue Dodge Caliber
The following day on Oct 9th LawShrink started posting.
It doesn’t really tell us much as to who they really are, but have been here since at least Oct 6th.
Still “digging” be back soon….
tobias and hangnon – Just because someone thinks something is true (like Sapp staying on Tommy’s sofa) does not mean they are a troll.
Not everyone reads every single thing. And even if they did it’s sometimes hard to tell – for example – whether the info that he did stay there or the info that he did not stay there is true.
I can understand why everyone is paranoid about trolls but for the sake of people – like me – who may simply be mistaken about something, could you please just say, “Hey, that was a rumor but we found out from xyz that it wasn’t true.” That’s a whole lot more helpful and informative than calling someone a troll for posting something that may be incorrect. IMO
Lesa: I’ve never heard of you. Have you been posting here on Haleigh’s thread under another screen name? I can’t understand why you would suddenly pop up out of nowhere on this thread and say, ” just wanted to remind everyone that sometimes I might take awhile to answer.”
I’ve never seen anyone ask you anything on this thread.
M2C,
Lesa is someone you know here
More good news on the Casey Maggot Anthony case! Judge Strickland DENIES the defense motion to take the death penalty off the table! YIPEEEEEE! He had already ruled that videos of visits with Casey (family and attorney) could continue, that she WOULD face all 13 fraud charges for the stolen checks and that prior videos of visits with Casey were not to be destroyed. Looks like Bozo lost out on ALL his motions! GO STRICKLAND! WHOOP WHOOP! CASEY IS GOING TO FRY! CASEY IS GOING TO FRY! AND HER THEATRIC CROCODILE TEARS AT THE LAST HEARING DID NOTHING TO HELP HER! Hee Hee Hee 👿
M2C,
I guess it’s ok.. to say.. Lesa is HollyG
What I am saying is when people make statements without proof of what they are saying does nothing to help find Haliegh. We need facts. Trolls make statements that they know are not fact to start trouble or cause people to gain false hope. If people would just state facts and back them up with documentation in their theories it helps to get a clearer picture of what may have happened. I know I will not believe any info without documented evidence that it is true.( news broad casts, newspaper articles, video, arrest reports, the person making a statement on video ect.) imho
Hollys Gmom said, in December 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Oh, yea! Does it sound to anyone else, like LE knows Very valuable info that somehow was “accidentally released” by a retired FBI informant through a blogger (who was questionable)? Like those 5 documents that were passed, were authentic? G, I hope not!
I COULD just be because ANY documents were passed BUT… why would this FBI linguist risk so much if THEY didn’t believe or know it to be true? Just throwing it out there. SOund off!
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Hollys Gmom I am curious to know what your saying here?????
cent,
those darn sneezes! bless you!! hope you feel better soon. (and be careful, don’t fall out of your bed.) 🙂 ms.p.
JB – Thank you for the news! I really liked the part of the article on wftv.com that said:
“Casey appeared to cry Friday as the defense tried to argue for family jail visits without cameras and for a murder case without the death penalty to get what they called more “open-minded” jurors. But, when it was about Caylee, when prosecutors surprised everyone with their theory of how Casey would have had to have somehow restrained the 3-year-old to stop her from pulling three pieces of duct tape from her nose and mouth so she could breathe, Casey’s cold, steely expression changed only after words from defense attorney Jose Baez. Even then, no tears were visible.
“Either she needs to hone her acting skills or she needs to just be herself,” Sheaffer said.
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She can’t even FAKE grief for Caylee!
Ok I’ve uncovered some information that makes me believe that Lawshrink is potentially who they say they are, they do have the knowledge & background to do what he is claiming (possibly even the big shot/professional friends), resources to large amounts of money…If this person is who I think they are then Thank you Sir and please PROCEED!
I will forward to Jan who I believe them to be and not invade thier privacy any further.
Thank you, cent. That clears up a few things.
Usually Jan does not like someone to post using two different screen names unless she gives approval which I assume she did.
Thanks again, cent!
I was wondering if anyone else here might have changed their thoughts on what Jr. “said” regarding the man in squeaky shoes. I only bring that up because someone here stated Misty said Jr. climbed over her to get out the bed.
At least that’s what I believe I read.
MsP. I will stay strapped in the bed. Once again, you are a hoot.. and I respect your thoughts on that matter. Thank You for the blessing!!!
M2C, you are more than welcomed.
why dont every1 use their real name?
And IowaMom is NOT reffering to that Answer person. That needs to be left in the past. imo
tobias @ 1:03 – I do not have a file with a link to where it was I read what I did for the last ten months. So I am not going to be able to provide the “proof” you would like every single time I say something. Very few people could do that.
In addition there is very little “proof” of anything. What we have mostly is someone saying “x” and someone else saying “x isn’t true.” In many cases I don’t know which to believe because both are often from sources I don’t really know.
I think this blog would bog down big time if everyone had to quote their sources everytime they say something. A lot of people would be afraid to say anything.
A little bit of patience and a dash of benefit of the doubt would go a long way to being more productive I think.
Tuff Stuff, my apologies I missed your question’s to my post. No, I am not from the Laura Foundation, I just made the initial contact and then passed the information on to Crystal, Marie and Teresa.
Marie herself said she was not involved in the request to FBI with Teresa Neves. Unless that came after I talked to her the last time. I know Teresa and her family are requesting FBI take over. I should have been clearer in my post.
tobias said, in December 18th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
What I am saying is when people make statements without proof of what they are saying does nothing to help find Haliegh. We need facts. Trolls make statements that they know are not fact to start trouble or cause people to gain false hope. If people would just state facts and back them up with documentation in their theories it helps to get a clearer picture of what may have happened. I know I will not believe any info without documented evidence that it is true.( news broad casts, newspaper articles, video, arrest reports, the person making a statement on video ect.) imho
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Maybe some of us have facts that cant be posted on this blog.
I’m not exactly sure why my Real name is showing up today…doesn’t bother me though. In the last few weeks I have been authoring a series of articles based upon the movie Black Snake Maon: By Craig Brewer. It details the movie and how it pertains to survivors of chronic childhood abuse and PTSD or Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. As a living survivor of what some of these kids are going through I decided that now is the time to share my voice and help Simon and Jan in thier effort to keep these kids names out there. I plan to publish a missing or endangered childs name in every article (I’ve only submitted one where-in I did not do thins, but it was in relation to the other articles I am writing)
I personally find MANY similarities of this movie and what is reported to be “Misty’s” party lifestyle that she has drawn such a bad rap for. I UNDERSTAND these types of girls, I was one. I’m hoping an inside look at what these people are dealing with plus what might be behind some of thier actions to be very valueable information. Especially when it goes a long way to help people understand Misty and girls across the globe like her who are getting trashed for their behavior(s)really aren’t bad people. They are people who need to address these issues in thier life and make proper changes (whatever those changes might be). I also have wondered if there wasn’t a person who contrived Haleigh’s disappearance in order to throw a spotlight onto Misty & Ronald AND make the connection to this movie or people’s perceptions of the characters. Hey anything’s possible at this point. Read the articles, I give my reasons.
Lesa Conway said, in December 18th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Ok I’ve uncovered some information that makes me believe that Lawshrink is potentially who they say they are, they do have the knowledge & background to do what he is claiming (possibly even the big shot/professional friends), resources to large amounts of money…If this person is who I think they are then Thank you Sir and please PROCEED!
I will forward to Jan who I believe them to be and not invade thier privacy any further.
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We all need to back off and let LawS do what we are all trying to do and thats find Haleigh. I surport him totally. If i can help this is what i want to do.
Most of the in person video s are on u tube, news broad casts are also on u tube and alot of other sites have links to other news articles. Many of the hardcore researchers do keep records of all the facts and usually will post them if someone asks them to. I have asked several times for someone to point me in the direction of a fact and they have helped.
I have a problem when people come on and say they know some one who saw something or knows something without having proof. That is all hearsay and the person making the statement could be anyone. imho
Tobias, While I agree with part of your post (referring to info to back up comments and post) that is not always possible. When one of us has a conversation with one of the family members, we don’t have proof of that conversation. Like me, I did contact the Laura Foundation and then spoke to both families about it. How do I back that up? Like I stated earlier, I have many hours and have used my own money for fliers in this search, I am not here to mislead anyone. If I post it, I either got the info from the family or from the media, arrest record, background report, etc. I don’t know about you but after all these months of being involved with many of the people on the blogs with the Caylee case and now HaLeigh’s case, I have learned who can be trusted and who merely states information to get a reaction. I am sure you have made that same determination.
Tobias I agree with you there also.
Touchy subject.
Simply put, facts are what is required to solve any case no matter what case it is. At the same time, information or lack thereof causes people to develop beliefs, ideas, theories etc…over time. Then people are left to juggle with the what if it’s right, what if it’s wrong questions. That to me is natural rationalization. Some folks like being right so even if they are wrong they stand on the thinking that they are right. If the facts in the case fall in line with what a person might believe then it is safe to say that they might “possibly” be right but too being stuck on being right is neither helpful or reliable because facts yet unknown could still prove them to be wrong. None of us are all knowing.
Even if we may have been right about some things at any point, none of us are God.
So I guess I too am saying go with what you know based on the facts that are discovered and keep your eye on the ball at all times no matter what your thoughts are on this or any case.
Great post Tobias.
I think since I now write for this website, then my name appears instead of my prior screen name Hollys Gmom. Not sure though….
I wanted to post this link because I read Lesa’s Article on Light The Way Home. She was the only one to comment and I felt bad about that.
I know it’s not quite the same idea.
Lesa, I hope it’s okay with you, for perhaps using this as an alternative for those that can’t string the lights. I just wanted to add something to the thought. I myself have been to this site many times and have received some comfort.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?l=eng
Lesa Conway, I really enjoyed your writings on Black Snake Moan. I had wondered about Misty, just how bad her childhood was (prior to media reporting) and now see a direct correlation to the main character in the movie. Keep writing I look forward to reading your next article(s) and learning your take on the subject. I think you and I had similar childhoods. I commend you for your strength to publish your experience, I don’t know if I could do that. Thank you for your work for missing and abused children. You sound like a wonderful advocate!
Lesa Conway,
I was curious about what you were saying about that movie so I looked it up here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462200/
It seems that the religious man took the young wild and seemingly out of control woman, I am guessing, to force her into some form of life changing submission? I do not understand where your comparison is being drawn to the parable here?
Thanks Iowamom!
I’m just a “blogger” turned reported/author/writer. I try to write about what I know and how it might compare to a missing childs case.
There are several posters here who seem to have a lot to say, Like I do, and strong convictions behind your beliefs. Truely get your voice heard. Write an article, submit it to the links for writers wanted for consideeration. If they like it you too can have your own outlet to further entail why you feel the way you do about this case and others and in the process another person is reminded about a missing child. While I hold it a privilege and an honor to be a writer here, it’s something others can also do. Try it, you might amaze yourself…….it seems that the others might have been on to your talents for a long time lol
The cadavar dog hit on the dumpster is the only true evidence we have of what happened to Haleigh. No other acts of violence occured in that area to think it was a body other than Haliegh place in the trash dump, then moved. Unfortunately once a landfill is filled in with weeks and months of trash, it is impossible to ever find a body there. I have said from the start that evidence points to Haleigh being murdered (I am sorry if that is offensive to some, but it is the only evidence we have right now). I do not believe it was a nonstranger abduction….there is simply no proof of that….and if anyone can provide any that will stand up in court, let me know.
If Lawshrink turns out to be for real…..I will be very shocked, and profusely apologitic. In the meantime, I am not going to hold my breath for the credentials to come through.
Lawshrink,
Can you come here a make a great post for these people please?
…..and some verifiable credentials.
m2c- I DID NOT call anybody a TROLL. If you are going to mod the board, then please do so WITHOUT putting words in my mouth that I did not say. Thank you.
lesa, i want to tell you i appreciate the work you are doing on people that have been abused and having PTSD. we need to move forward in helping people who have been abused and traumatized. or at a minimum understand what is going on. i always remember hearing that when people are traumatized as children, they get stuck in that psychological and emotional stage. like you said above, people need to find a way to “make proper changes.” and sometimes they need helping hands to help themselves.
wow, i really hope you are right about the news that lawshrink is on the up and up. thank you for sending the info to jan. i am still respectfully questioning if you got the right person. in part because they said they are a woman.
“Lawshrink said,in November 5th, 2009 at 7:02 amGood Morning everyone,
First and for most, I am a Women. Not that that matters, just wanted you to know…”
it would be truly wonderful if this person is working on behalf of haleigh. but, they have been inviting people to contact them. so i am not sure why as anneintn says, we should not ask questions.
anne do you know something i am not understanding? i think if someone posts information here, you(they) realize people are going to ask questions.
well i have to run, will check back to see any answers tonight. thank you in advance if you care to comment. ms.p.
M2C – I don’t think anyone bought Casey’s tears….I think Bozo leaned over and said “okay, I’m about to poke you in the a$$ with a straight pen….bring on the tears and show some pain”…..unfortunately, she’s been “poked” so many times in that general area that she doesn’t feel a thing (and he probably lost his straight pin! LOL 😆
bonanzajellybean said,in December 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
may i say i agree with you 100%. i really hope we are wrong. i will consider it a great pleasure to be wrong and apologize to lawshrink if i am misjudging him/her.
everyone have a great day, ms.p.
Hollys Gmom said, in December 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Oh, yea! Does it sound to anyone else, like LE knows Very valuable info that somehow was “accidentally released” by a retired FBI informant through a blogger (who was questionable)? Like those 5 documents that were passed, were authentic? G, I hope not!
I COULD just be because ANY documents were passed BUT… why would this FBI linguist risk so much if THEY didn’t believe or know it to be true? Just throwing it out there. SOund off!
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Are you speaking of this?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/FBI-linguist-admits-to-passing-secrets-to-blogger-8666411-79570872.html
Going back to the dumpster. Hardy said in a presser that the dumpster had been searched early on BUT it was not full enough to have to empty at that time.
Remember that dumpster is located in the general staging area where LE and TES were so unlikely anybody removed a body from the dumpster after LE had been called.
Also, When TES was there searching, they had their searchers and dogs go all through that area and found nothing and no hits by their dogs.
The dog handler that gave an interview certainly seemed to think it was something else that the dog had hit on.
Hangon, I know for a fact Donald Sapp was staying with them while he renovated the trailer. Misty herself told me, I still have the email. And just down the road, was an expression. I should have said a few miles away I guess. If anyone would like to see the copy of the email conversation I had with Misty about Donald Sapp, I have it. And, I don’t think I said there was any relation. I wish the media or LE would put some information out there for everyone, I wish the Sunshine Law was currently in affect for this case, we would have it solved in a few minutes.
Hi Hollysgmom AKA Lesa,
This is just an FYI. This morning at 11:01AM your screen name was still Hollysgmom and it changed for your next post at 12:06 PM. I am sure it would be a setting you can change in your username if want it to go back to Hollysgmom. Hope everyone is having a good day.
Lesa Conway said,
in December 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I think since I now write for this website, then my name appears instead of my prior screen name Hollys Gmom. Not sure though….
ms.peridot19 said, in December 18th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
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I did not say not to ask questions. I said this.
That maybe some of us have facts that cant be posted on this blog.
Iowa- Did Misty say which family this Sapp was staying with, Tommy or Timmy?
Iowa- Did you track the ip of that email to verify that it did come from Misty?
I thought Sapp was shacking up with Billye Griffis who’s husband was run over and killed
anne, yes i read that, and of course i would love to know what you mean. i hope it is something that will help haleigh. thank you for answering. have a grt day, ms.p.
I would love to see the header info from that email from Misty.
Hangon, yes and then I spoke with her about another concern about Sapp on the phone. This was in March. She did say LE had talked to Sapp but that he was trying to avoid talking to anyone. She is also the one who told me he was staying with Tommy. And that he was remolding the trailer that him and Billy live in currently. Well right now he is in jail, where he belongs. I have spent most of my afternoon so far defending my comments. What is happening here?
hangnon @ 2:24
Why does what I say sound like admin but others including yourself can say what should or shouldn’t be posted and get away with it?
Makes no sense.
My comment was in response to yours and Tobias’s about iowamom and the so-called rumor about Sapp.
I was just suggesting a nice way of doing things. If asking/suggesting sounds like “admin” to you then that is definitely your problem. Not mine. Give me – and everyone else here – a break PLEASE!
Vaquera I will post the email here. Her and I exchanged phone numbers because at that time I thought maybe it was someone pretending to be Misty, so I asked if I could speak to her. I will find the email, although I don’t know if it makes a difference or not, the email was sent through YOUTUBE mail. I will get it…
m2c: Right there with ya! I feel like every time I say something or post something I have to post the “proof” or someone contradicts me. geesh…
None of us, no matter how close to the case we are, have all the facts about any of it. Like I said earlier, if we all had all the facts, we would have solved the case by now for PCSD.
Don’t get discouraged, I understood what you were saying and thought it was a great idea!
I can understand everyone’s concerns here in regards to credibility/trolls..etc. However, the personal attacks have gotten out of hand. Maybe it is just frustration we all feel, but to have to constantly defend your views/thoughts/words is crazy.
iowamom: You asked, “What is happening here?”
What I see happening is that a few people think they know certain “facts” and if a blogger states something different, they attack them in some way or another.
And, if someone suggests a way to handle things that is not a type of attack, they’re attacked for trying to act like an “administrator” (as happened to me).
So it looks to me like a few people would like to take over the board and be the ones to decide what should and should not be said here – not by asking nicely, but by jumping on people.
This is not a nice place to be today, folks.
Hope everyone regains some sense of civility and respect for each other soon so we can have good discussions like we did before – without jumping on each other.
****HeAr…. HeAr****
*** Hear Hear****
If someone has some piece of information to add here and is then questioned about it why is it the person bringing forth said information feels they are being attacked and in need of defending what they have said? From everything I have ever been taught, arguments are not “fights” when delivered in the context of a debate.
Familiarity breeds contempt and lack of humility….allegedly.
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bbl. Maybe.
ronandmistycummings
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Re: Haleigh
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Re: Haleigh
Kim,
They wont tell me or Ron who they have investigated. They just keep saying everyone is a suspect. Donald has been evasive since the beginning when she went missing. I now that Donald said to us that one of the sheriffs talked to him b4.
Thank you for the prayers,
Misty
(block user)
(mark as spam)
Reply Delete
Mar 24, 2009
Anyone know how I can copy the emails here?
The one I just posted is just a copy and paste doesn’t show any of the detailed IP info or even that it was sent through youtube. If anyone knows please advise… Thanks. Kim
Tuff,
I think it’s not so much as questioning the person/post… it’s the way it’s done with an accusatory tone. I believe that is what most people object to. At least for me, I think the approach speaks a lot as to the nature/credibility of the poster and the info that is being hashed out.
m2c, I agree with you and thank you. I hope LE or the media, someone -will release something soon. If anyone is interested in helping me search, I am looking for information on Marty Sheffield’s mother, if she is still living, where does she live? Has anything been in the media or on blogs about her? I think her name is Gloria. Thank you for the other info AnneinTenn!
m2c♥ said,
in December 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
tobias and hangnon – Just because someone thinks something is true (like Sapp staying on Tommy’s sofa) does not mean they are a troll.
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Now that is what you posted in response to a post I made. I DID NOT CALL ANYBODY A TROLL.
And as I have said, I enjoy coming here and sharing info BUT I Do not appreciate having another POSTER modding my comments, especially comments that I did not post to that person specifically.
So I am asking you again, please do not mod my comments by saying things that I DID NOT SAY
Thank you.
Following up on Hangon’s post. I have always read Art Harris’ website for stories on the case. Not once did I ever get the impression Crystal and her family were saints. If that is what he was paid for he did a poor job. How does a saint have a crackpipe on their property when LE is searching? Art reported that. I believe Art is looking for what happened. Not allowing unfounded rumors start there. The only thing he has ever said to anyone is that the Sheffield clan has passed polys and are not considered POI’s. Please show me where he has made them out to be saints.
Justme,
I too read Art’s site, and whatever he wrote about never swayed my feelings/thoughts towards Crystal’s side. I am able to come to my own conclusions whether or not someone has good parenting skills, morals. Or whether they are just plain Ole Rotten.
I think a lot of people have simply lost sight that we all can/should/do think for ourselves. Justme, you are correct in my eyes… I don’t see Art making that side out as Saints either.
If questioning someone’s posts is calling them a troll I guess I am guilty as well. Just because I question someone’s posts it means I would like to know more info or whatever. Hangnon has never called anyone a troll but I can get on here and say I talked with so and so and if someone’s questions that, well I wouldn’t blame them. I think we’re having a great discussion here.
justme said, in December 18th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Following up on Hangon’s post. I have always read Art Harris’ website for stories on the case. Not once did I ever get the impression Crystal and her family were saints. If that is what he was paid for he did a poor job. How does a saint have a crackpipe on their property when LE is searching? Art reported that. I believe Art is looking for what happened. Not allowing unfounded rumors start there. The only thing he has ever said to anyone is that the Sheffield clan has passed polys and are not considered POI’s. Please show me where he has made them out to be saints.
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I didnt know that there was any saint living. Did you JustMe? LOL i agree with your post.
hi guys,
glad to see so many posting.i too use to read over at art harris but since the kim picazio barr documents got out i lost all respect for his site.
Iowamom,
i really enjoy reading ur post.i’m curious to know ur theory…if u don’t mind me asking.
***OFF TOPIC***
Anne @3:40
I am married to one… at least he likes to think he behaves like one. I made a very humorous remark about my son(his stepson), which Saint Robert didn’t fully appreciate. Later that night I sent him a text.. GoodNight Saint Robert. His holiness sent a reply… May You Be Blessed, My Child!!!
cent said, in December 18th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
***OFF TOPIC***
Anne @3:40
I am married to one… at least he likes to think he behaves like one. I made a very humorous remark about my son(his stepson), which Saint Robert didn’t fully appreciate. Later that night I sent him a text.. GoodNight Saint Robert. His holiness sent a reply… May You Be Blessed, My Child!!!
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cent i am married to one too…This is to funny. lol
Ahhh, yes the Male Species
Pinkey32/HUMBLED said,
in December 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Iowamom,
i really enjoy reading ur post.i’m curious to know ur theory…if u don’t mind me asking.
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Pinkey, which one? lol
Just to add to this ***off topic***
My husband ask me why God made me so beautiful and so stupid. I told him God made me beautiful
so he would be attracted to me and he made me
stupid so I would be attracted to him. lol
Treece… I love it… I love it… I love it!!!
LMAO treece. Ain’t that the truth.LOL
Pinkey32/HUMBLED said,
in December 18th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
hi guys,
glad to see so many posting.i too use to read over at art harris but since the kim picazio barr documents got out i lost all respect for his site.
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Me too Pinkey. I am not giving his site any more hits.
Hey, I’ve been reading here for a LONGGGGG time. This blog is MUCH better than it used to be. There used to be someone that went by the name of a green cylinder shaped vegetable (and if you’ve blogged here a long time you will know who I mean) that told everyone what to think and if they didn’t agree they got run off. I was always too afraid to post anything. I’m sure this person meant well but talk about a power trip. It was too intimidating for me!
cent & Vaquera,
Glad that little humor lightened your day.
treece– that is too funny. Thank you for the laugh. That is priceless.
Cobra,
If your reading this. Thats a good-looking pic of you. Praying for you. Be well.
Hollys Gmom said,
in December 18th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Hi, as has been witnessed throughout this case, these bloggers I was referring to care only about themselves and what they think. They think Ronald is guilty and that is that and yes, I do believe some would lie to sit on a jury to make sure whomever they felt was guilty, was found as such, even if it turned out to be the person was indeed not guilty at all. Look at it, if they are willing to use other bloggers children,grandchildren and any lies they can make up to hurt a blogger, if they are willing to physically and virtually stalk another blogger, just because the bloggers they are harassing and stalking had the nerve to stand up for truth, how far do you think they are willing to go beyond that? This case has shown the true hatred and evil within some…
hangnon, you are welcome, glad we all had a laugh out of it.
I did not call anyone a troll, I just stated that we need to be careful who we believe on the blogs because Trolls are everywhere.
They put a slant on the facts and they get everyone to believe rumors. Heck I could state that I talk to everyone involved but that would be a lie but if I said I did some may believe it. Be careful what you take as fact. imho
Also as far as Misty fooling LE , all she has to do is keep saying what she has said from the beginning. I was asleep and I dont know anything, they cant question her anymore without her lawyer and they dont have enough evidence to arrest her or anyone for this crime.And until they do or someone slips up and says something about that night they can not do anything. The LE found Caylees body and they couldnt prove how she really died, if they find Haliegh that way the same may apply.
This may go unsolved unless someone slips or tells what they know. imho
Misty has had an attorney available to her since the beginning of the case and yet she always went in for questioning and LDT without her attorney.
We also need to remember that Jr was there, and can talk, and could talk in Feb. According to Misty they had slept during the day so I doubt Jr went to sleep early.
If anything happened to HaLeigh in the MH Jr, would know and tell. If Misty had people over that night, Jr would have seen, and told.
Even when Jr was saying yes to seeing who took Sissy, he said, Misty was sleeping.
Now we have a statement by TH saying that Cobra told him that LE knows that Misty was home sleeping and that HaLeigh was in the big bed.
I really think we need to look at the strong possibility that Misty was sleeping and has told all that she knows about what happened that night.
I think LE really needs to look past Misty and perhaps put PRESSURE on the last person to be at that MH per his own admission. The one who has gone down hill more then anybody else associated with the case. The one who had access to unlock the door earlier that day. The one that knew Misty was a heavy sleeper and that she was very tired that night. The one that was really pizzed at Ron due to what went on the week before.
Just my opinion, BUT if Tommy Croslin did not raise BIG RED FLAGS with LE, all I can say is they need to go back to criminal investigation 101.
Tobias, you said, “Be careful what you take as fact. imho” and I heartily agree.
I have a mental “maybe” file that is pretty full. Ideas, theories, statements, I’ve read or heard etc – – including some supposed facts (even some of what LE has said or implied to be fact) – goes in that “maybe” file.
So I can ignore it, or include it in a theory of my own, or just keep it in mind (or try to anyway!).
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Now, let’s clarify this “troll” subject.
Iowamom left a comment that Tobias said was a rumor that a known troll had posted and went on to say:
@ 1:03 Tobias “when people make statements without proof of what they are saying does nothing to help find Haliegh. We need facts. Trolls make statements that they know are not fact to start trouble or cause people to gain false hope. If people would just state facts and back them up with documentation in their theories it helps to get a clearer picture of what may have happened.”
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I read that as Tobias saying that iowamom was like a troll, no one should post anything without proof and possibly anyone posting statements without proof is a troll or should at least be suspected of being one.
Hangnon’s comment after Tobias’s ended with “While I think sharing theories is great and gets us thinking, putting info out and making it sound as fact when there is indeed no proof of it, is not a good thing, IMO.”
My comment @12:49 was: “Just because someone thinks something is true …does not mean they are a troll.
Not everyone reads every single thing. And even if they did it’s sometimes hard to tell… I can understand why everyone is paranoid about trolls but for the sake of people – like me – who may simply be mistaken about something, could you please just say, “Hey, that was a rumor but we found out from xyz that it wasn’t true.” That’s a whole lot more helpful and informative than calling someone a troll for posting something that may be incorrect. IMO”
Perhaps I misunderstood Tobias’s comment. And, Hangnon, you did not call anyone a troll and I apologize for making it appear that you did but I did think you were in agreement with Tobias. So I’m sorry about that.
But that’s where all this came from.
And I really do not see how I can be accused of trying to be a mod when ALL my posts were trying to get people to be kinder and more accepting of each other and said, “I think,” “could we please?” etc. rather than trying to keep people from expressing their thoughts on the case if they don’t have proof or encouraging people to think those commenters might be trolls.
So, to those of you who want the facts and only the facts, I’d ask YOU to quit trying to mod the board and also let you know that I don’t think we’d be able to if we wanted to because there are very few facts AND even though they are supposedly facts they are still hotly debated by some.
So call me a mod if you want, but I’m just trying to encourage folks to be a little kinder to each other. Is that so bad? And if you think it is, then ignore it!
Iowamom, may I ask, were you convinced that the voice on the phone was Misty?
Lesa, your name will appear like this as long as you are logged in on Blogger News, I think. Once you log out you can change it back. If it causes you problems let me know and we can work on it to fix it for you. Thanks for the great articles 🙂
Merry Christmas everyone and God Bless!
Jan Barrett
I was able to have a few minutes to sign back on after all. (Steam cleaning carpets allows for a few minutes break here and there 🙂
*Warning*
Some may be offended by what I am about to say. My apologies in advance.
I just read TBT’s post and I must agree with what was said in regards to stalkers and such. I belong to a few unrelated groups and there are plenty of stalker types there off and on. We call them posers actually. It’s people who have no legit reason to be there actually other than to try to exploit and attempt to make a name for themselves. The thing about those types are that everything they say in the groups can be screen shot, saved and used as evidence of what the person is really all about later, if for any reason necessary. Not to forget mention the many witnesses who were insulted by their words, actions and behavior.
I have followed this case and other cases from the start and I will continue to follow them all until they are solved.
If by chance I happen to have run across you elsewhere and I know what you are all about and it happens to be, no good, then trust and believe that I will do my best to avoid you, but, if you are here to meddle and insert yourself in a manner that I know is not genuine then I will call you out if necessary. It will be to your shame and ultimate embarrassment, not mine.
Howa,
Go back to playing with your little crystals now.
Man.
Woman.
Whatever you call yourself…today…
Let it be known that I am not threatening anyone or anything. I am simply stating facts.
Peace
wow, everybody has got there panies in a wadd today. This reason i am here is for Haleigh and Haleigh only. And I will be here till this case is over,solved or what ever. Iowa and I have worked on this case from the beginning and are not stopping this this baby is found one way or the other. I just had to share this with you all. Lets stay focused here.
God Bless all of you that is trying to find this baby.
I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt when they are sharing info, but if the info is over the top, and just to far fetched, unlikely it is accurate. Now I am not saying that anybody is deliberately putting out false info, sometimes they are told things that they believe but is not true, so they share it across the net.
I am very analytical by nature, you know like the if it is to good to be true, then it probably is, mindset.
Way back when the story of Sapp was put out there as staying with one of the brothers, trampolines, etc, the one thing that really made it apparent that this was misinformation was the statement that Sapp was at the tent, was being helpful, then started being strange.
Now let’s be clear here. D Sapp is a RSO. There is a child missing. FBI, FDLE, LE from many counties, are all over the place. Do we really think an RSO would be at the tents?
hangnon said, in December 18th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
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Down there, imo i would put nothing past no one.
Tuff Stuff, in your post at 7:33 are you talking about TBT’s post at 4:57 which quoted HollysGmom’s post at 10:10 am? If not could you please tell me where to find that post of TBT’s?
Sorry, I’m trying to keep up!
Anyway, I agree with HollysGmom. We’ve had a few “doozies” on here from time to time with very obvious agendas. Some have tried (often in a very nasty way) to cram the “Ron did it” scenario down our throats with all kinds of made-up rumors (posted as fact) including that he wasn’t at work the whole time etc. And others have had other scenarios and done the same thing.
As far as the “stalker” nasties who only troll around to cause trouble I guess we’ve had them too. Just gotta ignore them I guess.
Also,TuffStuff, I don’t know what “Howa” means. Is it someone’s screen name? TIA
hangnon @ 8:02 – The difficulty with that is that it’s all subjective. What is “over the top” to you may be within the realm of possibilities to someone else.
And just to play “devil’s advocate” for a minute: The old adage “if it’s too good to be true” is valid then maybe the idea of “occam’s razor” is also true – the simplest answer is the right one. And in this case the simplest answer is “Misty did it.” I am not supporting that theory, just showing an example of occam’s razor philosophy.
So much of this case – information and facts even – is subjective. And I think every blogger has the right to choose what they want to believe, or stay neutral or entertain all kinds of theories no matter how far-fetched or simple they may be.
As for me, until there are a lot more real facts I’m still considering a wide variety of possibilities.
AnneInTn, Cent, & Treece ROTFLMFAO!!!
TruthBeTold. Thank you for replying. I did know what YOU meant, but I did see it as an opportunity to try to make sure that it does NOT happen and why. Thank you. I really mean it. It has been something that has also been weighing on my mind very heavily, Most especially since it is now known that some are willing to go to such lengths…
Tobias: You are VERY correct. Unless someone is able to produce a verifiable document where in one of the parties INADVERTENTLY “blows” thier ALIBI or some other piece of evidence comes out…
HangNOn: I too see where you’re comming from. After I did the Somer Thompson list for predator profil againt Tommy’s recent actions and state of mind….it ain’t pretty. For those of you who haven’t tried it…do so. Somer only lived a few miles away…Maybe he’s got an accomplice in Jax? Anybody know if Tommy has friends in Jax? Verifiable? I’m wondering if SOmer might have been killed to make it look like what it did, possible serial killer, within range to be blamed for Haleigh, still hasn’t been caught, no new releases of info….
M2C..I think it was meant to be Wooossaa! Like in the Movie Anger Management. LOL That was how it felt.
OJ’s Glove posted on my latest article…:snickers:
For me the simplest answer would be that Misty and the children were all asleep, and the last person at the MH is involved.
Now had there been any evidence of something happening to HaLeigh in the MH, then I would agree that Misty would be my first choice as a “suspect.”
BUT the K-9, the first dog on the scene, tracked the scent out the back door, down the ramp, to the woods, back out to the road, up tyler to buffalo bluff. That is not the route that I would think a young girl trying to hide a “body” would take.
Also I admitted that the person that is claiming to be LawShrink could be a hoax, BUT if they were the person who I pinged thier IP, then they MIGHT be legit. Major Corp. If it’s a fake, they’re doing it on company time & computers or hacking WiFi. If proven false then maybe thier company would have a problem with what they’re doing. I think it could be a person with some professional contacts, father to a celebrity, computer programer/software designer….Now if they are claiming to be female? Possibly daughter or friend using his computer. I don’t know for sure.
It’s been awhile since I’ve studied the map. Does that track take them past Tommy’s Tyler address? If not how close?
I know that LawShrink claims to be old….”My friends and I have lived long lives, Haleigh has not.”
I don’t care if it’s a nursing home full of retired FBI and LE…If they’re really doing what they say I support them.
If it’s fake, I’ll be disappointed, but fairly warned.
I’ve read posts here and other site where LS is defending themselves. It ides down….till they post again.
HollysGmom– the track goes to tyler AND then the track is blacked out going up Tyler, then goes up to buffalo bluff to the tracks. Now I have always wondered WHY did LE black out the track up Tyler. What were they keeping from the public? Where on Tyler did that K-9 track that LE had to black it out.
Extremely good point….probably told them Haleigh went over earlier in the day and that’s why K-9 was tracking her there? or Tommy’s alibi Lindsey said he was home with her all night? (We now know about him going to MH but map was before, correct?)
For those following my series I will be posting chapters 4 & 5 tonight! It should be up by morning.
hangnon;
I’m not trying to say I don’t believe you I’m saying do you have a map of that I can see cause I think I know what you’re saying but I am not sure. I could pull up my google earth but it doesn’t have the K-9 track so I still wouldn’t be sure.
I am trying to learn google earth.
I thought at first that the K-9 might have been following an old scent of HaLeigh, but that would not explain the track into the woods. I then found out that HaLeigh had not been to Tommy’s that day. Misty was at home with the children, Tommy and his children went to Misty’s.
I then thought, because of the track up Tyler to Buffalo Bluff to the tracks was the old scent of HaLeigh walking to the school bus, BUT then I found out that HaLeigh had not walked to the school bus since Ron had gone on night shift.
The K-9 also went in a circle around a neighborhood block, before going up Tyler, which made NO sense at all.
So that really makes me question the track.
I don’t have the tracking map, there is one I have seen on the net but it is not accurate. If you pull up the police report they give the track the K-9 followed.
Holly’s Gmom, where at, I would like to check it out. TIA
Hi,
I just went and lit a candle for the missing/lost children… hope you all will do the same. Here’s the link again.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?l=eng
hangnon:
Thank you for that in-depth answer. It helps me out more than just a map.
TruthBeTold: I don’t have a link yet for the one I am typing up now but I can link you to the original article (It’s a series because I talk so much LOL) The one I am posting now is part V but I’ll give you a link to the first.
http://www.bloggernews.net/123096
Apparently it’s becomming very popular with part 1 being read over 600 times since I posted it on November 25 th.
ThugCops4Christ said,
in December 18th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Iowamom, may I ask, were you convinced that the voice on the phone was Misty?
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Yes. I am convinced. The entire conversation was not about “what happened to HaLeigh Misty?” I told her I was praying for her and I thought she was in danger. I still think she is, not only is she dangerous to herself, if she does know something and remembers or comes clean she could be placed in a dangerous position. Again JMO…
Ok, It’s “in the air” Should be on tomorrows front page.
HollysGmom:
We’ve been fellow bloggers for a while now and I’ve thought of you as a friend, but two things disturb me right now.
First, it’s great for you to write articles for BNN but to me it is NOT great for you to advertise them and carry on about them here on Haleigh’s thread.
No other BNN author does that as far as I know.
This thread is for Haleigh (and this article also for Caylee). I will see all BNN’s articles when I go to the home page and will see if any interest me then. I don’t need the advertising here.
Also it scares me silly to hear you say you “pinged” a fellow blogger’s IP and you’re giving away what could be private information about them in your comment at 10:15 pm. Beg your pardon, ma’am, but who the hey are YOU to invade someone’s privacy like that? To “broadcast” personal info abot a member of THIS board? I know you kept it general but still it’s wrong.
Jan said she’d look into it and that’s fine with me. It’s not your place to do that IMO.
Sorry, HollysGmom, maybe you did not mean it that way but that’s my take on it.
So, folks, call me a “mod” again but I’d rather be accused of that than self-promotion and invasion of privacy.
Jan does a great job of modding the comments on BNN. She deletes those posts she deems necessary to delete without tying our hands on what we can and can not say.
It is my understanding as long as posts are not made in a disrespectful and attacking format, then we are welcome to post on BNN.
I do not understand why a fellow commenter finds it necessary to continuously attempt to moderate comments.
I for one am glad for information shared here. I do not see where there would be a problem for a commenter to share something even though it may be a bit off topic. This is a BNN board and she writes BNN articles.
I do not get to the home page all of the time and I am grateful that Gmom shared information here, where I can get to fairly often, so that I can go and read another section of BNN should I choose to do so.
Had she not posted it here, I would probably not have known about it. So while she may be promoting her articles, she is also promoting BNN, which I would think Jan and Simon would consider a good thing.
You’re right, hangnon. She can promote herself and her articles all she wants. I’ve just never seen that done on Haleigh’s thread and I’ve been here over a year.
I just don’t care to see Haleigh and her disappearance used in such a way (which I see as “it’s all about ME!”). I don’t care to see a blogger on her article “snickered” at here and I don’t care to see her playing “mod” by tracking the IP of another blogger here. JMO.
Also, I do recommend to everyone that you check out BNN’s home page. Frequently there are great articles about a variety of things including great tips on internet security which are good for everyone to know about.
Oh, and it’s easy to get to the Home page. Scroll up to the top of this page, and click on the first orange box on the left which reads “Home.”
I’m not so sure I want to blog here anymore due to privacy invasion. Jan & Simon checking IPs ect. is one thing, because they made this thread. But to have others do it on this thread is another story. When I post my comments on this thread I give Jan & Simon permission to do that obviously. But no one else. This has all went way too far imo.
Paw- I do not think anybody has access to IP numbers of BNN commenters except Jan and Simon.
Gmom probably has the IP number from an email exchange. Not hard to do, does not give you the name of the person, just the area their connection is from.
So if somebody claims to be in the Putnam county area and you ping their IP and it comes back Boston, you would know that most likely the person is not being honest.
I believe only admins have access to IP addys of commenters and/or posters on BNN.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you are able to write articles on BNN then you are considered admin and have the ability to get the info.
Either way, the trust is hendered and information was put out. If anything, it should have been done through email first and then Jan and/or Simon give us the information of whether the person in question is indeed legit or not.
Paw- I would not think you would be an admin. It is my understanding there are many that submit articles to BNN.
I would think that only Jan and Simon would have access to that kind of information. And even then it does not go directly to the person. That is why Jan has such a hard time keeping banned people from posting.
No matter how someone has gotten info or an IP, I do not believe that bloggers should post that kind of info here (see HGm post at 10:15 pm).
Nothing is proven. It’s still gossip and rumor about a blogger here. Jan said she’d look into it and she’s the only one who should and the only one who should post any findings about it here (if she wants to).
I agree, PAW. Things are a bit out of control here right now.
If I were Lawshrink and searching for Haleigh I wouldn’t waste my time to ever post on here again.
m2c- She posted that the IP went to a major corporation. She did not disclose the name of that corporation and I would presume that if it is a major corporation that there are hundreds of employees which could be LS.
I do not see where she disclosed anything that would ID the person or where the IP came from.
Am I missing something?
I am more concerned about finding HaLeigh. If LS can help do that then bless him/her. If it is somebody who is just game playing, all I can say is KARMA will bite him/her in the butt just as it has done to many others in this case.
I agree, Treece. If LawShrink is genuine and actually succeeds in helping to find Haleigh, BNN will be the LAST to know (not among the first as we might have been before). Especially now that it has gone this far.
I just don’t see the problem. If LawShrink is genuine, terrific! If not, so what? Nobody’s sending her their email addys or money, are they? That would not be a good idea in just about any situation.
It’s just something that I put in my “Maybe” file under the “I hope it’s true” heading and move on.
hangnon: Interesting. I’m more concerned about finding Haleigh, too, but you don’t seem to mind all the distracting and often negative BS on this blog. I do.
Well, each to his/her own.
Yes, hangnon. You are missing the fact that one blogger is tracking down another blogger and has posted her findings so far here.
Whether those findings will stop when they get specific or not I don’t know. I don’t know how HGm could possibly support “HER” decision on the validity of LawShrink without posting details. Unless, of course, we are to just believe whatever HGma says over what LawShrink has posted. It’s just wrong anyway I look at it. Of course you are welcome to your opinion.
Let me clear something up here …
Being a writer here for BNN does not in any way make you an admin on here. A writer for us is considered a contributor or an author but they are not administers and they have no admin access. Also there are no rules set against one trying to promote their own articles anywhere on here. If you aren’t interested in reading them just don’t go to them.
We are trying to be fair to everyone here. We are NOT here to find out personal information on anyone for any personal reasons. I do trace IP’s occasionally on here because of troublemakers that come here using alisas names but I do not do it for any other reasons. Also it never gives me personal information such as their name, address and phone numbers. It only gives me the location of their IP and even then on some occasions it gives the general location of an IP, not always exactly where they are. So actually someone tracing your IP doesn’t always tell someone where you are exactly and it certainly doesn’t give out any personal information that could be harmful to you. It only helps me figure out if someone is lying to me about being someone they aren’t.
I know it might sound complicated but unless someone here as some high powered equipment from microsoft that I don’t know about, you are all pretty safe posting here, I should hope LOL
Have a great day everyone!
Jan Barrett
good morning everyone,
cent, anne, and treece, omword that was a funny conversation last night. 😀
merry christmas and happy hollidays to you jan and simon. ms. p.
PAW – As Jan said we are safe posting here (as long as we do not give other people our email addresses). Jan and Simon can be trusted with that info.
That’s one of the reasons Jan and Simon established the Forum section so we can contact each other personally without showing our email addys. I’d recommend that to everyone. Especially now that you know that a fellow blogger can try to track you if they feel like it.
thank you for the information jan.
i was just about to post that if we all get to express our opinion, while i understand what m2c♥ is saying about keeping the blog here just for haleigh, i am one hoping that hollys gmom could continue to mention when she has posted an article that we may want to check out. ms. p.
Here is a link to some of the Amber Alert Success Stories for 2009. As you can see by reading them most are family abductions BUT there are a few that were not family and the children were brought home successfully.
It does keep my hope alive that HaLeigh will be found and returned home to her family.
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2248
I have 1 question then. How did Hollygmom get the info that she did? That’s bothersome to me.
paw she got it from directly exchanging e-mails with someone involved in the “team” – it is stated above somewhere. ms. p.
that is one reason i was concerned about this ls. i thought they could find out who people are and i have questions about who lawshrink is. i did talk to someone after my post, who basically explained to me what jan just told all of us. it is pretty hard to find who someone is.
Ms. Peridot – That’s fine with me. I just didn’t want to see THIS blog end up being about whatever that’s about, you know?
PAW, you’ll have to ask HGm but I expect that LawShrink shared her email with Hgm at some point (sorry, you probably knew that already! LOL!) How anything is done from there is too techy for me. Sorry.
Also, Ms Peridot, Jan often writes articles about other missing children, but so far I don’t think she has advertised them here.
Since some people don’t check the BNN Home page for such things, I’ll try to post links to those articles in case those of you who are interested in missing children would like to read them. Here’s a recent one:
Marc Anthony Bookal – 4 Yr Old Missing
Article # 123276
Date: December 15, 2009
http://www.bloggernews.net/123276
Ms Peridot: It is pretty hard but unfortunately people try and sometimes succeed and I know that a lot of that was done in the past months during vicious blog wars. So the key to stay safe (IMO) is not to give out your email address.
If you want to contact someone on BNN personally ask them to join the BNN Forum and you can exchange Personal Messages (PMs).
However there are other nasty things that hackers can try to do once they have email addys. Those things are hard to do too but it makes it even more important to know how to stay safe on the internet which is why I was recommending articles here on BNN by Robert Siciliano. You can enter his name at the top of this page in the empty bar on the right and click on search and his articles will appear.
m2c♥,
i really was concerned about ls. i know we see it differently.
i was worried about making my post to begin with. i do not want to be a part of censoring anyone. my concern started when she mentioned going up to children on the street and giving them info to bring home to their parents. now any one of us doing that would know ahead of time, that doing that would cause you most likely to have people being concerned with your behaviour. so why do it? especially if they (ls) have the means to do something more constructive. with their degree, they could approach the school district, or police department, or someone in the community to organize meetings or info to be passed out to help keep children safe in their community. not out on the street when children are walking home without adults.
and then the continued comments furthered my concern. if she does or did do the above actions, i think that is a concern. if she just made it up, why? i came to the conclusion that ls is like no other blogger here. many are doing their own searches or even asking others for help. but, they don’t make things up or distort the facts. why do that? i thought lawshrink is making fun of people on this blog and the blog itself. and maybe people should be careful about directly e-mailing with them without some conformation of who they are.
during a previous post, someone mentioned that ls said or implied that they were in contact with jan and simon about who they are and what they are trying to do. i remember that too. but, i never saw or heard any conformation of this. i really just have so many questions about ls.
i have expressed this a number of times now, and i promise this time to not mention it again. we all can decide for ourselves.
i don’t think hollys gmom was doing anything other than trying to help haleigh by trying to figure out who she (h.gmom) was e-mailing with on ls’s team. i believe she was just trying to prove my concerns were and are wrong. so lawshrink would still feel welcomed to blog here. hollys gmom and others, i really hope you are right and i am wrong! ms.p.
m2c♥,
thank you, for your above post. obviously some believe i blew up the concern about e-mailing ls. i just want people to be careful. i appreciate we can use the forum. thank you simon and jan. sometimes, i think people who understand the internet and computers don’t appreciate for some of us, it is a little nerve racking. i am glad you said, about keeping our e-mails private and just use the forum. that is what i hope people do.
thank you for the reminder to read ” articles here on BNN by Robert Siciliano”. another thing i really need to do. i would like to understand this medium better and be more comfortable. ms. p. everyone have a wonderful weekend
I am not sure if any of you are following the Jean Paul case but here is a video and article of another one of our children taken by a non-custodial parent. I know this is not HaLeigh or Caylee but it is about a missing child.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVjhTCLKlhU
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iB8j1aBch7PiOCvuFrvguwTkQwhg
Yes, Ms. Peridot: I just think it’s funny that some of us (me particularly) get attacked for trying to be admin or a “mod” for suggesting in a nice way with “please” etc things like letting people post their opinions about the Haleigh case without jumping on them and demanding facts and I also wrote a really nice note directly to LS suggesting that maybe she wait until she has results since the promises were upsetting people and I got reamed for that and called acting like a “mod” – yet it’s perfectly okay with the some of the same people for Hgma to try to track down someone’s IP.
Somehow I think there is a serious “disconnect” there.
hangnon said,in December 18th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Fed up- are the private dumpsters dumped at the same land fill as residential business garbage is dumped? Do you know?
Yes. I was told that the landfil is about 40 miles awy from the actual MH. We also know the landfil where Angel Somer, was left in was 48 miles away from her abduction site and across the border in GA.
They are dunped at the same place. My understanding is that the county’s contract for Haleighs district is that the residential garbage is picked up on a 4 day turn around. The local business rent out dumpsters if they wish, and individually set up a schedule for pick up service from the waste management company. I was advised that there are a couple different waste management companys in the county, however one is responsible for a certain area around the Cummings MH.
I was very frustrated to finfd out this information out. If it is correct, I am of the opinion, that Haleigh could have been dumped there, and missed. Whether it was in that landfil by a personal “drop off” or that she may have been pisposed in a dumpster and brought there. I would agree that it wouldnt be plausible to check every landfil in that entire area, howev on account of the dogs hitting on one dumpster in particular and the fact that LE allegedly did not chek the designated one properly, I worry that all the clyues and evidence to break the case wide open, have benn missed. I am sad to say that I also feel that too much time has passed, to believe Haleigh is still alive. I am still holsding out hope for resolve in either case.
I wanted to commend you for writing the post I have quoted below. I have read your posts and feel all your contributions are well thought out, and productive. You have pointed out many of the same issues I have been witness too.
Hats off…Bravo
hangnon said,in December 19th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Jan does a great job of modding the comments on BNN. She deletes those posts she deems necessary to delete without tying our hands on what we can and can not say.
It is my understanding as long as posts are not made in a disrespectful and attacking format, then we are welcome to post on BNN.
I do not understand why a fellow commenter finds it necessary to continuously attempt to moderate comments.
I for one am glad for information shared here. I do not see where there would be a problem for a commenter to share something even though it may be a bit off topic. This is a BNN board and she writes BNN articles.
I do not get to the home page all of the time and I am grateful that Gmom shared information here, where I can get to fairly often, so that I can go and read another section of BNN should I choose to do so.
Had she not posted it here, I would probably not have known about it. So while she may be promoting her articles, she is also promoting BNN, which I would think Jan and Simon would consider a good thing.
m2c- I do not consider somebody questioning what is said as “attacking” the poster. Discussions go back and forth with people each giving their opinions or the sharing of information, which in turn, hopefully, gets us all thinking.
I really am tired of hearing that people are being attacked when all it seems to me is that people are questioning information.
Most of the posts on BNN are done so in a respectful manner and when they are not, and it truly is an attack, Jan does HER JOB and handles it.
I think things go much more smoothly when the conversations are allowed to go back and forth between people without wrongful accusations of posters attacking other posters, or wrongfully being accused of calling other posters names.
Jan is very capable of modding BNN and I think if somebody has an issue then they should just contact Jan to handle it instead of posters being called out. That is just my opinion of course.
OMG! I knew that post would bite me. I didn’t post any of their personal information. Just some general information about who I thought they were due to the email address that they gave me to send them an email. Heck I thought it was common practice to ping emails and IPs. LOL I’ve been knowing about it for a decade now. I said in my later post I DON’T KNOW who they are but IF they are who I think they MIGHT be, they COULD be legit. IMO ONLY. That is all.
As far as posting about my article in the Haleigh thread is because my articles in that series mention Haleigh’s name EACH ISSUE as well as a link to her AMber ALert Info. Is that a good enough reason to think I could post about it in this thread? Several of the bloggers here have given really posistive reposnses to them .
You, M2C, may think “it’s all about me”. God forbid anyone do anything they are proud of and want to share with a group they have been talking to for a year now.I’ve been waiting with baited breath for you to throw that at me! LOL! I’ve had my REAL NAME posted here (agina I do not mind) AS I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE! How many are willing to stand up to that CHALLENGE!?! HUH?!
I’m seriously considering retreating from these comments sections. I’m tired of M2C blasting me all of the time. Everytime I turn around. I had sent her a very personal and heartfelt email around the Picasio documents release time, tring to “mend fences” but why bother? I’ll just go write some more articles.
Jan & Simon, I’m sorry if I caused a tizzy. I didn’t mean harm, was trying to help clear something up. I just know how to do some rapid, dogpile searches. Remember NetDetective? I happened to be one of the first ones to buy it, I guess. I learned a heck of a lot but will use my knowledge for private purposes only from now on.
Lesa
m2c♥,
well i thought your post to ls was brilliant. you and others feel different about ls than some of us with concerns about her. maybe she will respond and we can work it all out. of course it is up to her to answer or ignore me! i will let it go whatever she chooses to do! (this is not my blog!) i will not fight with her! my goodness, i have had my say, and have my own opinions. i do think it gave many of us a chance to think it through and decide for ourselves. if i am wrong, it will hardly be the first time! 🙁 i do apologize to everyone that i upset.
please someone change the subject back to haleigh.
-i do have a question on my mind. i was hoping to find out if ron or crystal or the grandma’s ever said if they thought haleigh could have worked the dvd player herself. you know maybe she used a chair. possibly someone taught her how to use the dvd player or she figured out herself.
– is there going to be a radio show this sunday? i bet not the 27th? or even the 3rd.
-is the laura foundation coming on board?
Fed Up- I believe with all that I am that HaLeigh is alive BUT I also believe that every possibility needs to be checked out, if for no other reason then to help point us in the right direction by eliminating areas where she is not.
I believe that the landfill should have been thoroughly searched and if it was not then that needs to be done. Good SAR dogs can find remains even if buried under a lot of garbage, dirt, water, etc
You know perhaps this would be an area that the Laura group would/could help in searching since it was not done already.
Ms. Peridot: No worries. All the concerns are perfectly understandable and I too am concerned. I just tend to “wait and see.” (You know, I put it in my “Maybe” file. It helps me avoid being upset. I can get upset later if it’s proven we were being fooled! 🙂
I remember about the movies and I believe Misty said they watched two movies (I forget which ones) and then she put them to bed at 8pm. But according to Grandma Sykes, she saw the kids eating dinner on the porch at 7 pm.
So one hour to watch two movies is not possible unless they watched part of one and then part of another. Or unless there are two DVRs and the children were watching one each.
And I also remember a report that supposedly the DVRs were put up out of reach of the children (which makes sense). I’d be concerned if Haleigh got up in the night and tried to reach the DVR and fell. I’m also wondering what happened (if anything) between 8 pm (when children supposedly went to bed) and 10 pm when Misty said she went to bed. I’m wondering why whether Haleigh knows how the DVR works is interesting to you?
I come here every single day and night to read the comments about HaLeigh and have since the beginning. I hardly ever post; maybe have posted twice in all this time. The reason is, and this is not to insult ANYONE who posts here, rather a general statement, that it seems that when a “new” poster posts, then they are either ignored, bashed, or called a troll. So I just stick to reading. There are tons of crime forums on the internet, but BNN is the only one I come to to get the latest news on HaLeigh. Jan and Simon (TJ and others) are awesome about keeping this case alive and going for those of us who genuinely want answers about what happened to this little girl.
I bet there are days Jan and Simon feel like pulling their hair out, reading some of the comments here. We’re all adults, right? All have the same common bond of wanting to keep up with this case. Yet, there are days when some of the posts remind me of being back in high school with the he said, she said, insults, bullying..too many egos at times. I’m sure Jan feels like she has to “babysit” a bunch of grownups, constantly having to step in and try to make peace. There have been times when I really thought Jan and Simon would get so tired of it, they’d pull the plug, and then how would we know ANYTHING about HaLeigh? And that chatline on the radio show is brutal at times. People are bashing other posters, bashing the guests (who they know are reading what they’re writing)and it’s just RUDE.
None of us know anymore than anyone else about this case. All we know is what we read. When it comes down to even accusing some posters of being the person who abducted HaLeigh, then you know the frustration of this whole case is getting way too much for everybody.
As for people knowing another’s IP address, anyone who knows a lot about computers can find out that information, but it’s not easy. An IP address does not tell your name and address…it’s just a bunch of numbers that indicate the general area that you live in.
As for Lawshrink, I belong to several crime forums and have since the beginning of the Caylee Anthony case. At one time, one of the largest of these sites had a member by the name of Lawshrink, who WAS from Florida, who helped us get information on the Caylee case, and who was actually a treasure trove of information. Don’t know if this one here is the same one, but what are the chances of there being two with the same username from the same area? I can see being upset if this person was asking for donations, but I’ve not seen that happen. Maybe just someone who wants to do all they can to help find HaLeigh?
We are all so lucky to have Jan and Simon, TJ and others, to keep us updated on this case, and I would hate to see this blog go downhill. They work very hard for US and do not profit in any way, so the least we could do is respect them when we post on THEIR blog?
Cyberspace is certainly big enough for all of us, so please, can we all just get along? Seems like ANY site you go to, there are always those who think they are the “experts” and know more than anyone else, but we are all different, all have different theories, all have different personalities. This is not intended to attack anyone in particular; just a general overview of this thread. It would be great if we could leave our egos at the door and get on with helping each other put the pieces together without the animosity. Thanks Jan and Simon and ALL who contribute about HaLeigh Cummings.
FairandBalanced:
You are truely fair and balanced. (How do you do it? Teach me, lol) It can get so upsetting sometimes. Someone spend hundreds of hours pouring over everything in the case (AIRBUDS is the movie by the way. Run time 83 minutes also walk through pictures prove that the DVD players were up on top of the TV in the bedroom.) and even go out on a limb for this little girl and people will trash them. Most of the time I love it here. Even when everyone is “bickering”. Lately though, I have seen a turn for the worst from a few.
FairAndBalanced!
Bravo! Applause! And much appreciation!
I guess there is something about me that when I say any one of the things you just posted I get jumped on. I truly hope that no one jumps on you and that we can ALL try to “start again” with respect for each other and each other’s comments.
After all we do have one very important basic quality in common – and that is our love and concern for Haleigh! I hope we can extend just a portion of that good quality to each other – for her sake if for no other.
well, after the holidays i want to go back over what the police have said to the public. you all got me thinking about the fact you said the police made misty a target. i only remembered them carefully stating they do not believe misty hurt haleigh and do not believe her to be directly involved. i thought the statements about her being key was in reference to the timeline and what happened that night before haleigh went missing.
didn’t the police question the fact the movie in the dvd player was different from what misty told them haleigh watched before bed? i thought misty said something about haleigh might have gotten up in the night and changed the movie. the police were questioning that someone h.c.’s age could not change the movie herself. at the time, i remember thinking, well would not her family know if she had ever changed the movie in the dvd by herself? if so, she could have pulled a chair over and changed the movie that night. i even was thinking she may have fallen, and that is what happened to her?
maybe misty was desperate not to lose ron. so called her family and they covered all up. it is just something i was wondering if anyone like n.g. or any interviewer asked her families about?
i think i am still stuck on a possible accident in the house.
And HollysGmom: Thank you for the info on the location of the DVRs. I thought someone had actually seen them but wasn’t sure when they’d seen them or where I read it. So thank you for that info.
I hear you, Hollys Gmom!
I’ve watched your posts and knew you were working very hard on this case.
Sometimes I think we all get so frustrated..lack of REAL, solid information. So maybe it’s human nature to take it out on others here? Wish it didn’t have to be that way.
I meant to add to my post about IP addresses. Anytime you belong or post on a forum, such as this, the Admins DO have your IP address, which is their right in case things get out of hand. The IP address itself is just a bunch of numbers…no name, just a general area of where you are posting from. Some who are good on the computer can actually get one’s IP address from an email IF they are computer savy. They still don’t know who you are. It’s just a number.
This is the most informative place to come for news about HaLeigh, and it would be such a shame to “lose” this site because adults cannot act like adults at times.
Hopefully, this will all come to an end soon, and we will finally have the answers we’re looking for.
Here’s hoping and praying….and thanks!
those in the know? how long did it take misty’s mom to come over that night after misty called her to say haleigh was missing and the door is open. the same question about timmy. since she called them both before calling the police. thanks in advance
Fairandbalanced,
I stand by my opinion of Lawshrink. I have read other comments from this poster….they trash Haleighs family at every opportunity with questionable accusations (remember Walmart, People magazine), boast about giving money to find Haleigh, boast about having events to raise money (any confirmation anyone????). Boast about giving his/her/whatever very life for Haleigh (very dramatic, highly questionable). Boast about working to try to bring her home for Christmas, like she is just around the corner (that comment really struck me as odd—if true, who tip off the kidnappers or killers to run?). Yet there is not one OUNCE of proof of anything. Yes, I still call the comments bizzare and unprofessional. I get upset rightly when someone makes posts that lead one to think Haleigh is just right around the corner (yes, I am willing to bet most who read the last post thought the same thing). It is cruel and uncalled for in this forum. As I wrote, if I am wrong about this poster, then I will be profusely apologetic. I dont believe right now that I am, nor do I believe that Jan will get confirmation of the credibility of this poster—EVER.
I think that she could DEFENATELY change a dvd herself, even on top of the TV PROVIDED that there was a “step” nearby. JMO due to my experience actually raising a few. By 4 they know it. The step could be just about anything. Most know how “ingenius” little ones can be to get what they need done. So many stories of “We found him on top of the frindge diggin in the cookie jar” LOL NOT ONE OF MY KIDS but told to me by MANY. So first of course was there a chair or “step” nearby the player? We can go look at the walk-through video and see. It’s all there. Do I need to link it?
hollys, do you mind? that would be helpful.
bonanza, you have every right to have your doubts. Really, no one knows who anyone really is in cyberspace. They can be anyone they want to be, and we would never know the difference.
IF this person turns out to be someone who was seeking attention rather than really doing what they said they were doing to help, then I don’t blame you or anyone else for your opinion.
This person will either re-surface and produce evidence of what they claimed, or we will never hear from them again. Then we will know for sure, but I don’t blame you for your opinion in any way.
Christmas is just around the corner.
The most wonderful gift in the world would be to have answers about HaLeigh.
I want to believe that someone has her and has been taking care of her, but there’s a part of me that says that’s just not the case.
Some of you have had some very good theories of what may have happened that night.
But where is HaLeigh?
I had to post this. This is WHERE we got the idea that Misty wasn’t home that night. The ACTUAL NEWS REPORT
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18737503/index.html
Reasons why an intruder would not need a flashlight or turn on the light. Previous owners account
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?aid=149658&storyid=131654#/Haleigh%27s%20House%20Owners/49239092001
Radio Calls Released from Night Haleigh Disappeared02/18/09 6 p.m. Report
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?aid=149675&storyid=131653#/Radio%20Calls%20Released%20from%20Night%20Haleigh%20Disappeared/49239102001
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090224/ARTICLES/902240952/1002?Title=Haleigh-s-brother-Man-took-her-from-bedroom
Jr’s account. “Man took Haleigh from bedroom”
http://www.fox30jax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30118@video.fox30online.com&navCatId=5
Rumors Person Was Inside Home Are False: Video
Cummings Family Speaks.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18807847/index.html
Dumpsters scoured, cadaver dogs.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18806491/index.html
Dogs used in search for Haleigh.
Video K-9 handler talks about dogs hitting patterns.
http://www.wesh.com/video/18807325/index.html
Family members return to Haleigh’s home. GGMA Sykes. In case any of us forgot these arereal people. She makes me sad.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18865649/index.html
Wow, go to Putnam County Jail Logs. A David Cummings was arrested for probation violation, he looks very much like Ron, could pass for a twin. Does anyone know if or how he is related?
Just found this very interesting.
And Tada!!! There it is. First video ever inside the home (except for GGMA Sykes visit to clean up)
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=sect_amberalerts&maven_referralObject=1054783688#/Inside%20Haleigh%27s%20House/49251344001
Family is asked to leave temporary home.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1056405524#/Family%20Told%20to%20Move%20Tents/49251400001
Today Show crew is given a tour by Ronald Cummings.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29593696#29593696
The proposal.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18892618/index.html
What About Husband-Wife Priveleges In Court?
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=FLORIDALAWEXPLAIN_031020090109&cat=Local&title=Can%20Spouses%20Testify%20Against%20Each%20Other?
Saerch continues & Missing Girls Dad gets married. Railroad video and audio.
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18921014/index.html
Investegators focus on Misty’s Timeline
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1060907771
The Search For Haleigh Looks at Misty.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=sect_amberalerts&maven_referralObject=1060600782
The poo hits the fan…http://www.wesh.com/video/18926785/index.html
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=sect_amberalerts&maven_referralObject=1061621406
Sheffield’s Attorney gives First Local Interview.
Title of Article not my by line.
Misty’s Inconsistencies.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30376@video.cbs47.com
Charity Organizers Say Accused Sexual Criminal Offers Don…3/17/2009 5pm Report
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1063993751#/Charity%20Organizers%20Say%20Accused%20Sexual%20Criminal%20Offers%20Don…/49255701001
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/031809_haleigh_van_questions
Van Taken Into Custody.
Cummings Family Welcomes InvestigaTION
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18961412/index.html
Hi Gang,
Ms.P.. I have re-read the ***off Topic*** post several times and still am getting chuckles out of them.
That was me regarding LS post of Jan being able to verify them. So, now I know I didn’t make that up, since you remember it too, thanks for co-signing.
hALEIGH’S fATHER HIRES aTTORNEY TO fIGHT sUIT
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/
John Walsh on AMW The Search For Haleigh Cummings
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4861821n
Cent I had thought so but didn’t dare suggest it without rock hard concrete proof. So thank you for verifying that Jan had verified him/her already.
HollyG,
I don’t quite understand… I’m referring to LS saying that Jan/Simon already DID… but in a recent post concerning just that… Jan states that LS should send info to verify them. Something like that, I don’t remember the exact quote of Jan’s post. Anyhow, let’s all go forward.
HOLLYS GMOM
HELLO UR ARTICLES ARE GREAT,GLAD 2 C U IN UR CALLING.IN DA BNN FAMILY!!!!!!
M2C I APOLOGIZE BUT WHY MUST U CONTINUE TO OVER STEP BOUNDERIES?YES IT’S ALL ABOUT HALEIGH…..BUT U MY FRIEND ARE BOSSY,ALMOST TO THE POINT OF PISSIN PPL OFF TO LEAVE BNN.CHILL OUT U R WAY TOOOO OPIONATED.BE ABOUT HALEIGH AND LEAVE PPL ALONE SOMETIMES.U HAD NO RIGHT TO ADDRESS GMOM LIKE THAT.AS HAS BEEN SAID U R NOT A MOD.I IGNORE SOOO MANY OF UR POST THIS TIME U WENT WAY TOOOOOO FAR .
BTW M2C WHY DON’T U GET A SITE/FORUM OF UR OWN? THEN U CAN RUN IT UR WAY.
My goodness!!! Pinkey I am not against you at all BUT you keep getting on M2C for stating her opinion about what HGmom said. You get on her for questioning. I thought it is OK for all of us to state what we think. AT LEAST IT USE TO BE OK FOR US TO DISCUSS, QUESTION AND AGREE TO DISAGREE. Not jumping you just QUESTIONING why the change or double standard here? JMO Treece
Pinkey: What comment of mine are you referring to please?
I was going to avoid getting into this whole Mod thingy. But, just yesterday I emailed Jan and asked if I could alter my posting name to include my personal blog site. Now, will I be viewed as an opportunist, because it’s about my trials with Depression/Anxiety? Who knows, and frankly I don’t give a damn, ’cause I am not here for that sort of nonsense.
I thought that I was here at BNN to share my thoughts/feelings, and to lend support to my fellow bloggers in any capacity that was needed.
While I respect everyone here, even if I don’t always agree with them… I’m just not feeling the humanity here… anymore!!!
I am retreating for a few hours and I wish you all the best. Love To You all, Cynthia
Cent, for as long as I can remember many bloggers have screen names that include their web sites or whatever. I don’t see what could be wrong with that now. There’s never been a problem as far as I know.
M2C[YA 6:53 AM POST]
I REALLY DON’T MEAN ANY HARM.U SAYING GMOM SHOULDN’T PROMO HER ARTICLES.OK THAT’S WHAT U THINK,HOW U FEEL.SO OFTEN U IMO THROW OUT WHAT I SEE AS ORDERS,TO THE POINT ONES THINK UR AN ADMIN.SO OFTEN I DON’T COMMENT ON “UR ORDERS” TO OTHERS BUT AGAIN IMO U OFTEN GO TO FAR.I THINK U MEAN WELL. BUT IMO AGAIN, THAT WAS MEAN.THEN TO SAY U’D RATHER BE CALLED A MOD.THEN INVADING PRIVICY[OR SOMETHING]EITHER OR U R VERY INFORMATIVE BUT U WERE MEAN TODAY.IMO DOESNT MEAN I DON’T RESPECT UR INPUT ON HALEIGH BCUZ I DO ,ALWAYS.
TREECE
WHATEVER!!!! THIS IS NOT PRESCHOOL DANG NEAR EVERY OTHER POST, ALWAYS COMIN TO M2C DEFENSE.WE GOT THIS IF U DON’T MIND!!!!!
HollysGma- Yes, we’ve had some good talks. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we don’t but never had any problems until now.
I can’t help how I feel about your using a movie and Haleigh and her family to publicly “work thru” your personal problems. And then use this thread to get readers. I don’t appreciate that. That’s my opinion. So what?
And your chasing down someone’s IP alarmed more people than just me. I happen to be one who will speak up about it and take the beating I get for it. There are a lot of people who read here and never post – and what you did – or tried to do – is one reason that will continue to keep them away.
And to you and to cent, I will ask, “Who is truly trying to mod this forum if not take it over?” Ain’t me. I’m not the one screaming for personal attention to ME and MY life on Haleigh’s thread all the time. That’s the way it comes across to me.
I just want fairness and respect for all the bloggers here (including LS) and Haleigh and to keep the attention on her.
Well, Pinkey, I do not know why MY posts sound like orders to you rather than opinions. Have you read the posts of others who have as strong opinions about what people should comment on here and put people down for their comments about Haleigh’s case? Those comments didn’t strike you the same way? Why?? I can’t account for it. All I write are my opinions. I don’t expect everyone to agree. But believe me I am far more open to everyone’s comments here than some. I just don’t know why you and some others have not been able to see that.
Also, Pinkey, 6:53 am was a long time ago. I had never seen anyone do that -even Jan – and it really took me aback.
I suppose you haven’t read all my comments since then. To sum up, I said, fine and since some people said they don’t read the BNN Home page to know about other articles, I offered to post links to the articles about missing children for those who are interested. Here’s another one Jan just posted.
It’s called “Adji Desir- Almost a Year Now and He Is Still Missing.”
December 19, 2009
Article # 123309
http://www.bloggernews.net/123309
M2C
I KNOW WITH ALL MY HEART THAT U MEAN WELL.U REALLY DO.
Hello, Happy Saturday. and ty for all the links Holly G.
I don’t think anybody has a problem with anybody disagreeing with a post or poster, the problem seems to be in some posters who try and control the board and what is posted, and call out posters because they don’t like what or how they posted something.
I think if we all just post and leave the moderation up to Jan, we will all get along much better.
If you don’t like what somebody is posting, skip the post or report it to Jan. No need to call out posters. IMO
HangNon
U R RIGHT AND THAT ENCLUDES ME TOO I WILL JUST DO LIKE I NORMALLY DO,POST ON HALEIGH IF I DON’T LIKE ONES POST KEEP IT MOVIN.
But who is to say who is trying to control the board, hangnon? I was reamed for a very polite request to LS that I hoped would spare the feelings of some other bloggers who were upset and which LS could easily just ignore. But other posters thought the note to LS was great!
I don’t really see much difference – except sneakiness – in “calling out a poster” (by which I assume you mean addressing them directly) and writing the same message in a comment but not specifically addressing it to anyone. I think the former is more honest (IMO). If the comment is one of disagreement, the person will know it and will still take offense (if they want to). I’ve seen it happen.
There is definitely a double standard here.
Whatever HollysGma does (even track down a blogger) is fine. Wanting to control comments so they only include documented facts is fine.
(just some examples) ETC. But nothing I say, no matter how nice I try to be (usually) and even a comment from me to LS is NOT okay.
There is something wrong with that picture.
And one of the things that unfortunately comes to mind is a time long ago on the Caylee thread where a group would gang up on someone whom they wanted to run off the site. This seems just like that to me. I’m sorry you all feel so hateful toward me. That’s sad.
I hope everyone reads FairAndBalanced’s post at 1:39 and mine at 2:19 and hopefully we can put all of this behind us.
Pinky @ 5:40 THANK YOU! 🙂
m2c,
Now I had left and decided to return for updates… I will say this to you and only you. You’ve got a lot of nerve saying that I am screaming for personal attention to ME and MY life!! If/when I have decided to inform BNN of my PERSONAL issues, it was because I felt myself withdrawing in a way that I did not like or because I felt that it was relevant!!!
To be honest, I have read your posts on other topics and felt like you crossed the line with the writer/posters..etc. However, those were/are my opinions. I’ve also felt like you have attacked unnecessarily, to the point that perhaps you were trying to garner ATTENTION. Yet, I CHOSE to try to remain NEUTRAL.
From this day forward I will not respond or address anything to you.
Although I am a private person, I have been open about my PERSONAL struggles with many here privately and I don’t like you making a mockery out of MY problems. I was open so that perhaps others would possibly get a different perspective on those particular subjects… learning disabilities, child with chronic illnesses, life’s ups and downs.
You may not have seen the correlation within the HaLeigh threads, but for the most part, they were in context. I apologize to all that felt my Personal Issues shouldn’t have been exposed. I am DONE.
cent- Please do not let the voice of one chase you off. If what you have shared has helped one person than you have done a wonderful thing.
The only thing else that I feel the NEED to say is…
Thank You, I sincerely appreciate the SUPPORT, WELL WISHES AND PRAYERS that have been expressed and shot in my direction. I have truly come to think of you all as family. I wish you much Love, Peace. I hope you all have a great Christmas, Cynthia
Thank You Hangon…. I will continue to hangon in here… all I have stated is the truth and that IS what matters. The I am Done, was about my ranting, and the subject.. is all:)
cent- oh, good. We all need to rant sometimes. Keep posting for HaLeigh. The truth needs to be known and the lies exposed. HaLeigh needs to be home with those she loves.
Hangon,
Yesterday, I mentioned that it was said/posted that Misty remembers Jr. climbing over her to get out of bed. I’m wondering IF that is a true, correct statement by Misty, does that lend credibility to the man in black-squeaky shoe accusation?
cent @ 6:23 I did not mean you at all. That was not directed at you. Had nothing to do with you. I am sorry that I didn’t write that better so that was clear to you.
cent– It is my impression that Misty vaguely remembers Jr climbing over her and seeing him standing at the door. I can understand her not being sure about that if she was really sleeping. I remember be woken during the night and then in the morning, “think” I was woken but not sure, not a clear memory, not sure if it was real or if I was dreaming.
I do not believe the story about the man in black.
I thought it was pretty clear who I did mean. And, cent, you know I have expressed my sympathies and concerns to you directly. So I am really sorry that you would take that post as directed to you. It was NOT.
Many people – including you – have posted of personal issues in a really good way (IMO). To me one is just going way beyond that right now. But it’s NOT you!
M2C,
Let’s all just move forward and continue with what we all have set out to do… Shall we? We all have hearts and sometimes they hurt!!
However, since I can not stop sneezing I will return a little later.. time for a trip to the drug store.
I hold no hard feelings… and I hope you don’t either… see ya in a bit.
cent, I cannot move one step forward until you let me know that YOU KNOW I was not referring to you in that comment. That’s just so awful I can’t stand it! I’ve always thought highly of you and your posts and it kills me that I wrote something so poorly that it hurt you. I did not – would not – ever intend that.
Also, get rest, take vitamin C and feel better SOON!
hollys gmom, wow, thank you so much for all the links. i am having trouble with computer so a few of the links i didn’t get to work, maybe because of my computer. so i may ask you ???s latter about what you posted. really thank you so much! ms. p.
hello cent, i appreciate your comment. thank you. i knew it was you! i went off to find that and other info and got very side tracked. thanks for the support!!!
Treece,
Lawshrink must know, if this person is who they say they are, that people are going to doubt that which seems too good to be true. That people should, in fact, doubt, doubt doubt. Doubt anything but those things with tangible evidence. Ask for corroboration. Jan has had the common sense to ask this blogger to send credentials, since such huge claims are made by this blogger. Who would NOT want verification? Does it not surprise you that, contrary to Lawshrink offering credentials, NOBODY on this site to date knows ANYTHING REAL about this person? If Lawshrink does not write back, it is because this blogger has been CALLED on outlandish claims, and IS NOT WHO HE/SHE professes to be. I have written many times that I will be PROFUSELY sorry, and will write a long apology to this blogger, should I be wrong, but I dont think I am wrong.
Bonanza and Treece: I think the doubts are understandable, too. I’m just not ready to condemn quite yet. Not without proof. But then I run into the potential problem – what if LS comes back on and says, “Well, we tried but failed.” How would we know? I don’t have the answer for that.
But if it was all a hoax it would be a terrible terrible thing to have done to the bloggers here and to Haleigh’s family if they read LS’s latest posts. And hoax’s have been played on bloggers here by people claiming to be something they are not. On the Caylee thread long ago someone claimed to be a lawyer and everyone was thrilled to have a real lawyer to ask questions of. And the “lawyer” answered them. Turned out it was a former blogger who was one of the nastiest people to ever poison BNN and had left BNN. But then came back and did that. Just awful. How can people behave like that on forums for missing and murdered children? Must be a special hot spot in Hades for people like that.
Anyway, for now I’m putting the LS situation in my “maybe” file and hoping for the best.
bonanza
I don’t think that we are wrong.LS hasn’t posted since the major doubt issues.I know if it were me I’d be more than glad to prove my claims true.That’s jst me.As much as I want Haleigh found,I’m just not gonna fall for any BS,that sounds to good to be true.One thing that I question[if sum 1 would tell me]how has LS and this team been able to obtain information?It’s been said that most folk down Putnam County aren’t talking to outsiders[saw on the news months ago].Plus as we all know LE is “very tight lipped”
Earlier today some words were posted by me, that were very harsh. They were a result of a misunderstanding regarding a post of M2C’s. We have since apologized to one another and are now moving onward. I just wanted to acknowledge this family squabble/makeup, so that all will remember… that rifts can be mended.
Good-Night All,
I’m so pumped with NyQuil… I am hoping for some unbroken sleep. M2C, thanks… I did go and buy a huge bottle of O.J. and Vitamin C drops. Wish you all pleasant dreams.
well after looking at the video of the mobile home again i understand it was not a falling off a chair issue. i cannot see the dvd player, but i think it is a built in one or maybe right on the chest. the chest is not high that i can see. which of course is good news. of course it could have been another type accident, but, unlikely as junior most likely would know about it. i thought if she did change the movie in the middle of the night that was a possibility while junior slept. thanks hollys gmom.
GOOD NIGHT GUYS N GALS.
cent, i really hope you get better soon! the o.j. and c are great, maybe if you can take zinc that boosts the immunity.
i am so happy you and m2c are moving onward. it was a tough day here today, among many of us. didn’t feel to productive, but, then everyday can’t. i was about to post maybe holiday stress is upon us.
i am glad simon and jan decided to go ahead with the show tomorrow. they are very dedicated. well good night everyone.
good night pinkey32/humbled sweet dreams (*)
Well, I had decided something this mornming. I, personally < made the decision to take that “energy” and transmute it to positive. I have been imploring people for months to help build our Haleigh database here. Some have, and I thank you for your help in this case & others. This morning I read that some were discussing some issues that I knew information about and could give a link. It took me a “minute” but I did finaly find the exact one. While I was searching I saw a perfect opportunity to send several important links that now will build the “backbone” of our Haleigh Timeline data base.: media section.
In posting (&watching many) I felt we needed to hear this info again. There’s an answer…somewhere….let’s stop with negativity and grow in a positive direction. I’m willing to try. Some of it will make you cry. It will definately remind you that there is a little 6 yr old girl out there missing.
I’m sorry about posting in Haleigh’s thread about my artles. I don’t see what it matters, my so called popularity, I don’t get paid any money for the hours of work I put in. It just gives Haleigh 1 more shot to be hear about. There was a very personally attacking post made there by M2C that some may have seen (cent, I suspoect) others did not as I wrote Jan about her opinion of it and she took it down. SO if you thought you saw something vile, & then it disappeared, it. I could have posted it here in it’s entirety but chose not to. I just don’t want other’s wondering what this is all about. It’s over. I’m moving on, I just know where some stand on certain issue and will take it into consideration in the future.
ALso, guys,….I’m a (young-41) internet “grannie”. I never considered myself extremely “savy” until today. What A LOT of people know about computers now, will scare you. Many, many people know how to get your information, if they are so inclined. Have you really looked at some of these other crime forums? You give someone 1 door, 1 opening and before you know it they know everything about you. Myspace, Facebook, Yahoo, Google Earth, Public Records….It’s not all that hard. Meta-seach browsers searching 15 different internet portals at one looking for a very refined web search tag. Children do this! If you are afraid of someone finding out who you are for destructive reasons, they probably can. Just know it! Be aware. I very much believe the Identity theft aticles I’ve read here, they are very true and acurate. Now before you go off thinking I’m some criminal, I’m not. I’m easily checked out as being the lowly front desk clerk @ Country Inns &Suites in fabulous (nowhere but a military base-2nd largest in the US per sq ft) Crestview FL. Beyond that you should need no help. Public records will show I have no criminal history (bounced a few checks as a young married with kids–ooops!). I’m just saying, not to scare you, but to warn you that it’s not all that hard.
I have only once ever posted personal information about another poster. It was years ago, not this forum. It was a young lady’s site who I thought had a particularily cute style and just wanted to leave a positive comment telling her that. (It was a gothic forum) Well along comes this guy screenname: JaredF*gHater. He flames my post terribly. Calls me out as a lesbian (I’m married to a man 15+ yrs?) says vile awful stuff. Well, I’m mad and much younger then and I take 2 hours and “play”. I return to post:
His real picture
His home address
Phone numbers home & cell
2 email addys (they were crucial)
Where he grauduated from and what yr
WHo some of his friends were
A poem he had published in a book.
And the best part… link to a page that contained pictures of him wearing a dress!
O course he freaked! Who wouldn’t. He posted right back that I must know him and I replied that no I didn’t I lived in FL while he lived in CA. I just wanted him (and now you guys) to know that you are NEVER ANNONYMOUS on the internet. You are leaving trails everywhere you, whether you know it or not. If this story scares you about me personally, I’m sorry. I have never done anything like that since other than to mention it to other that it can be done. I just want people to realize that yes, you can have your say here or anywhere on the net, and thank our veterans alive or deceased, for that but in doings so YOU are potentially putting yourself at risk.
Oh BTW…he was an O L’s Glove type on her formum as well. She laughed and left his info up.
ALso these are the particular traits I had thought would be valuable to this type of forum. My previous “home” actually worked at this stuff to uncover, disprove, or verify information. I missunderstood that this forum would not be doing so. Well, some are & thank you for your efforts, others just come to talk/post/debate. I guess that’s agood thing. There’s something for everyone.
I guess I’ll go post the links in the forum and get some real work done. Resist the urge to go “play” with another flamer. See you all tomorrow.
HollysGma –
I was looking forward to a fresh new day with a new start but find you raking up the ashes of yesterday with a vengeance.
Jan also removed YOUR post to me on your article. I never saw it and I’m glad that I did not. And I was grateful to Jan for removing my post to you because I wished I had not written it. I told Jan that.
Yet hours and hours later you’re still going on about it AND threatening me.
There is no other way to take what you said in your 3:41 am post about me and about this: ” I just want people to realize that yes, you can have your say here or anywhere on the net. . . but in doings so YOU are potentially putting yourself at risk.”
(especially since you make a point of describing that you have exposed someone’s identity, photos and info about it on the net before.)
A threat like that is likely to intimidate and silence a lot of people. I guess that is your goal.
Also, Hollys Gmom:
I have never had a problem with you HERE on Haleigh’s thread and have often supported and applauded your posts. But because of my feelings about your OTHER project, you threaten me (and everyone else) here on Haleigh’s thread.
Just exactly what I feared would happen.
I certainly did not take what Gmom said as being intended to be a threat at all. I took it to mean that if you are going to put yourself out on the net, you DO put yourself at risk (Which is very true) and we each are responsible for keeping our identity, personal info, secured.
I am sure most of us are aware of the recent “outings” of posters and the outing of a RSO who was running a forum under the pretense of being a site dedicated to HaLeigh.
Where you go on the net, who you share your information with is something we should not only think about, but we should be aware of the risks involved.
Now, posting comments on a website dedicated to news articles, like BNN, is probably one of the safest things to do on the net, PROVIDING you are not sharing personal information with those that you meet who are also posting comments on that site.
The K-9 track from the police report:
Myself and Officer Sorenson initiated a track beginning at the back/side door of the residence. The track lead directly out the backdoor, and down a wooded path, as we traveled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be a small child’s foot print in the dirt. It should be noted that Ronald said Haleigh’s shoes were still inside the residence.
The track lead to a pond and then back to Green Drive. At this last residence on the right side of Green Drive was a small building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building and verified that no one was inside.
The track then continued north past the residence, where we made a left turn on Monroe Avenue. We made another left onto Buchan Circle, which we followed in a loop
back to Monroe Avenue.
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We then made a right turn on Buffalo Bluff Road, to the railroad crossing, where we were forced to end the track because the canine was unable to follow it any further.
I then returned to the scene…
The K-9 track never made sense to me, and I researched it and pondered over it for many months.
I had thought that the track was an old track of HaLeigh’s since it went to the bus stop BUT the part of going into the woods and around the loop made no sense. I then found out that HaLeigh had NOT walked to or from the bus stop since Ron had gone on night shift, which was weeks prior.
It then hit me, what if the track is not that of HaLeigh BUT that of the perp or one of the perps. BUT parts still made no sense. Why would the track seem to be “wandering” around the neighborhood. I then thought perhaps the perp drug something of HaLeigh’s around the neighborhood to throw off the dogs.
Then pieces started falling into place with TC’s arrests and his admission that he went to the MH that night. Misty states that TC would go into the woods to do drugs, I believe he also would prowl around the neighborhood at night, possibly stealing things, or casing out homes.
I believe that the dog tracked TC’s fresh scent out the back door and into the woods. I think at some point that TC’s fresh scent and older scent crossed and that is what the K-9 picked up, the overlapping of the fresh and older scent which would explain the wandering of the track around the loop, and up Tyler.
Just my theory.
I also wanted to add that Ron’s family was shown a picture of D Sapp as part of a possible sighting tip, they said they did not know him, recognize him.
The Donald that WAS with the family and at the tent area was Ron’s uncle Donald, who is not a Sapp.
OK I can see that I have to explain things further here…
First of all part of what was said here is very true. Everyone should know that once you start on the internet some how you can be traced. Apparently you have to really have the knowledge to be able to find someone’s name, address, phone number and what they had for dinner last night but not everyone has this know how.I certainly don’t. As I said before I can only trace an IP and I only get the general location as to where it is coming from. I do not get the person’s name or their address or any of personal information. But for instance if the FBI takes my computer they could tell a lot more about me I am sure.
Since I have nothing to hide it doesn’t bother me. Simon and I both use our real name and everyone that knows us on here knows we are in Mississippi and that I am definitely not from here and neither is he.
The point here is that if you are on here there is always that small chance that someone might be able to find more information about you but chances are greater that no one would even try unless there is a good reason to do so.
For those of you that are bickering with each other on here, please try to remember it is Christmas time. We should all be celebrating the time of year and not arguing and bringing people down.
We are here for the children. We need to be a voice for them to help bring them home so they can see what Santa has brought them on Christmas morning. Please put your differences aside for the sake of these children.
Let’s just drop the whole thing and move on PLEASE?
Merry Christmas everyone!
Jan Barrett
Thanks Jan.
Does Ron have a cousin David Cummings? I just saw that a David Cummings was arrested for probation violation and he sure looks like Ron. jmo
Jan @ 10:57 am
You said, “The point here is that if you are on here there is always that small chance that someone might be able to find more information about you but chances are greater that no one would even try unless there is a good reason to do so.”
What’s “good reason?” That someone/anyone has dared to disgree with someone?
What that means to me is that HollysGMom, for example, who HAS tracked down people and invaded their privacy and posted their personal information on the web CAN do the same with any of us for any reason she wants to which means no one better cross her.
I received that threat from her loud and clear and I am so very sorry that the information you provided supports it.
I’m just sorry to see that you allow someone like that to stay on BNN – not that banning them would keep them off anyway – and it would do nothing to repair the damage she could do to someone.
Jan, this has gone way beyond bickering – to threat level. The risk was always there but now someone who HAS hacked others and who is threatening others is allowed to behave that way and stay on BNN. I don’t think anyone is safe in leaving comments that might give that person “good reason” to hack them. So I advise everyone to avoid her or to praise her to the skies or you might be her next target.
Tobias– I am not sure if/how they are related. Remember that Ron’s parents were divorced when Ron was young and we have seen how the family trees seem to go in all kinds of directions, so I would not doubt that he is somehow related to Ron through Ron’s fathers side of the family.
Hollysgmom,
Hysterical:-)
Yes, I agree that nothing on the internet is private. It is up for grabs to anyone who has the time and inkling to search. It, therefore, is the responsibility of each individual to monitor what he/she writes on the internet, what information is placed there, etc. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive about the net.
Tobias,
Yes, he does look like Ron and so does John Travis… And actually, I think the Bobby Cummings looks like he could be related to the Croslins.. and the James Dean and Karl look a lot alike.
Don’t know why I am talking about this.. other than I am amazed at the comparison.
If there is so much comparison, Sounds like someone other than Ron has been doing stuff and Ron got blamed for it. JMO
PAW69: LOL
M2C: It ‘s my understanding that Jan has asked both of us, publicly & privately, to stop communicating with each other since we are just causeing problems for the other board commentors. So if I don’t address or answer you this is why.
Also, I’m glad my “warning” rang a few bells. I think everyone needs to keep in mind that they are the ones putting themselves “out there” and IF someone, could be anyone, wants to they can get your info.
Back in the good old days of the internet (2001-2005) it’s was really easy to find stuff, not so many different pages (LOL). Not bad stuff, just stuff in general and when a person said something “inflamitory” they were called flamers. They would post stuff to just upset people, try to get a board closed, or just plain made a nuicience of themselves. Back then it was considered “fair-play” to fight back like that. Since I have matured some I realize that it wasn’t a good idea, but it happened, learn from it, and move on. The urge I was resisting was to just look for info, not necissarily to post it, anywhere. Just for my knowledge, so I would know an enemy a comin, should there be one.
It just bothers me that anyone believes they have annonymity online. If you worry that something you have posted, written, or said might come back on you…..Don’t post it, don’t write it, don’t say it. If you think that what you do can never be put to a name or a face, you are mistaken. Please, everyone, be aware.
Not so sure how to take the (LOL). Because if these guys do look that much alike, it is a true possibility. Kind of like with twins. When 1 twin does something they weren’t suppose to, they blame the other twin so they won’t get into trouble. Which one are you to believe then?, Ya know.
Hollys Gmom:
During the past year and a half that I have blogged here I have cautioned people a number of times about the risks of the internet and referred them to articles I thought would help them.
However, I was stunned to read your comment this morning in which you not only mentioned me specifically and a comment (that had been removed along with your reply) from the other article but also described in detail how you hacked someone before and posted photos and personal information about them.
Your closing remark was: “I just want people to realize that yes, you can have your say here or anywhere on the net . . . but in doings so YOU are potentially putting yourself at risk.”
How could I read that as anything but a threat? Especially since you mentioned me specifically? Especially since “I had had my say” which you took great offense to? The message I got was “I can have my say but I’m putting myself at risk from you.”
I am not an enemy of anyone here. Posting an objection or disagreement is not something that you or anyone needs to see as “an enemy a’comin” as you put it. But now I feel that if I disagree with you (or anyone you agree with) then I am at risk.
No matter how bad things have been here – and they’ve been really bad at times – I have never had the desire or felt the need to track someone down. I have never felt as personally threatened as I do now. I never expected it and especially not from you. I had thought pretty highly of you – even though I disagreed with some things.
In relation to the case, another blogger posted a comment that I realized expressed exactly the way I felt – after reading your comment (@3:41 am) – about being here at BNN now: The comment was: “Trust, Respect and Integrity have been compromised.”
I don’t know that I will ever feel free to express myself here again. It will take a while if it happens. In the meantime I do hope that you and I can mend the fences and that I can try to trust that we can blog together – even with differing opinions – and I can try to trust that you (and perhaps others) will not try to do me (or anyone else) any harm.
M2C;
I too would like nothing better than to be able to work through our differences. If that is not possible, then at least be able to be corrdial to one another. I am sorry you now feel threatened to post here (or anywhere). I honestly wanted to warn you that if you keep “comming at people” the way you have, Someone (not me) might use it against you. I say this because more than just myself have commented as to feeling attacked or “bullied”. I can see that you also may feel the same way. That you have been attacked or bullied. Maybe we’re both wrong, maybe we are both right…who knows. I too have valued your posts in the past, as I have told you before, you make me really think about WHY I feel the way I do about something. BTW I didn’t “hack” anyone…..ever. What I did was copy their email address (that they allowed to be public) did some web searches till I found more info and kept going from there till I found the website with the pics. It’s something that anyone can do, it’s not hard. It just takes some time. I too feel threatened at times by others or thier remarks, I guess we all do.
Besides It’s not like I tracked him down, went to his house & did something. I did talk to him after the fact and was able to warn him about his actions and how easily I found his “trail”. He was gratefull, we talked about why he had said what he did-back story, and we agreed to remain on good terms. I hope we too can come to that agreement.
The moral of the story is…..No matter what you post, or where….we ALL put ourselves at risk by doing so. Not just from fellow bloggers but others as well. Please be advised.
Paw69: The LOL was for: “Sounds like someone other than Ron has been doing stuff and Ron got blamed for it.” I’m sorry, when I first read it I thought you were joking. I guess I didn’t see the JMO. May I ask what it was that R got blamed for that these others may have done? Ratgate?
I see your point now. I suppose that unless it’s a crime that involves DNA, it might be hard to tell who from whom. If one were going by just visuals.
Ratgate seems a little too far fetched for me. So yes, that’s one of them. And I’m sure that they all know they look very much alike, So it wouldn’t take much to set Ron up if he had made someone mad.
That “look alikeness” may be why some of the past charges against Ron have been dropped. Some think it is fishy how many things have been dropped against him, possibly because it wasn’t him. But I agree I never believed that “ratgate” story. TM is the “source” that said Ron admitted he did it. I never believed that Ron did the gun in mouth scene or ratgate all coming from TM.
edited by Jan Barrett: I fixed it for you treece 🙂
I thought it was TM that stated the thing about the gun, and that Ronald said that he used Misty as an alibi to test her lying ability.
Cent, thank you, you are so right. I am saying Art but I meant TM on both accounts.
No probs Treece,
I often wondered why Ron wasn’t asked about all of TM’s claims while he was still doing TV interviews. I pretty much think that there was something to the RatGate claim. I of course don’t know how it all went down, I wonder if Misty is willing to tell it all now!!
Cent, the main reason that I don’t believe the ratgate is TM claiming Ron said he did that just to see if Misty could lie to LE. I DO NOT think if Ron had gone to all that trouble, just to see if Misty could lie…..that he would have told TM.
But I could be totally wrong it just doesn’t go together to me. Hope you are feeling better.
Lesa, yes I have felt bullied and attacked on this board. My posts lately have been misunderstood and jumped on so frequently I’ve had to wonder if people were doing it on purpose.
One post directly from me to LS was a nice respectful suggestion with a please and thank you that I thought would help LS AND help some bloggers who were upset. Several people reamed me out for that. Yet they are the same people who at the same time were putting people down with disdain and some were lobbying for bloggers to leave comments that were only documented fact. But apparently that was okay.
Some hypocrisy there perhaps? A deliberate attempt to intimidate me and put me down?
Or a genuine feeling (which I cannot find a logical explanation for)?
I don’t know. So I do not know how I or anyone else can write carefully enough to be sure not to appear to be “coming at people.”
I do appreciate your making it perfectly clear that there are people on this board who are able and (may be) willing to do some pretty evil things (IMO). I just don’t think that what we write or how we write it makes any difference. “Beauty” and “ugly” are in the eye of the beholder, in the intentions and character of the beholder. And if people want to view posts with a negative attitude, want to look for insults and problems, they will find them – no matter what is said or intended.
Treece,
I hear you.. the alibi/lie thing.. I figure he said that so that people would believe that Misty couldn’t have had anything to do with HaLeigh… Misty being loyal to him. If that makes any sense. I don’t buy him doing it (placing rat) for that purpose… of testing Misty… I think it was done as a threat to Tommy… I think that was just an excuse he used to TM.
My head is still very stuffy.. I’m sure you can tell by my not being able to say what I mean clearly.
cent, I don’t have a stuffy head, just a blonde one (mixing up AH and TM.) ding ding!!!
This is my take on ratgate. The few people that I have known that would put a rat in someone’s mail box would have a huge meaning behind it and they would have NEVER admitted that they did it.
They would also want it to create huge fear, so they would never joke around like it was to test Misty…….The one’s I know would have said something like this. “Well, Tim I sure don’t know who did that but I can tell you this, whoever did that means business and Tommy better be real careful and watch his back.” But I could wrong I just had a relative that lived a lifestyle to do things like that and none of his crew would have said that. I just think TM made that up, like I think he made it up that Ron did the gun stunt. I think TM was doing everything to make Ron and Misty look trashy, stupid and guilty. To me it went right along with his next move of hiring that Donna to be a “mom” to Misty to find out info….. But this is just food for thought it certainly doesn’t mean I am right.
Treece, I see your point..
I too know folks and you just may be correct. I think if it happened and Ron did admit to TM, Ron knew it was his word against TM.. So more than likely no one was going to believe TM. I think I will forever be suspicious about all involved.. including/especially the side-shows Masters Of Ceremonies.
You are right, the side shows have caused my head to swim trying to keep up. But when it all settles back down most of them leave me with more suspicion instead of less. Too many in my opinion, were like TM and had their own agenda or glory to seek.
I don’t think either of it happened. Why would he risk losing Jr. like that. Especially when Crystal was already at his heels with her threats.
What I found really “odd” about the ratgate incident was the fact that the lead homicide detective of Putnam County was there on a weekend night “investigating” a dead rat. That to me makes absolutely no sense.
When LE went to Ron’s that night they knew the truck had not been driven, that it was broken down, and that he was with a group of people who all said that Ron was with them the entire evening, so why did LE insist on Ron going to the station and talking to Merchant over a dead rat? Makes no sense.
As always hangon, you give us much to think about… thanks 😀
m2c, Hey, I can’t send you PM on forum because your folder is too full, make some room and I might send you a Merry Christmas!!! ho ho ho I mean ha ha ha Treece
Sorry, Treece! I fixed it!
Thank you!
cent said,
in December 21st, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Has everyone seen JVM… Dog The Bounty Hunter is going to help the mother of abducted 10 yr old Jean Paul.
m2c, you are welcome!!!!
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