Simon and Jan..

I listened to the show yesterday, and my heart goes out to Bill… Stay strong Brother… I will pray God takes care of you…
Thank you to all who care about this case.

Bill, in the first of the Under Siege movies with Steven Segal and Tommy Lee Jones, Steven’s character talks about serving a master that is a lunatic and ungrateful as hell.

If you haven’t watched the movie then you should.

For you, TJ Hart, Denny, Simon and Jan, I wish you peace. May the story have a end very soon and may it be a happy one.

But most of all I wish for you Bill Staubs peace and healing of heart and soul.

Cobra look up what Tobias means in the site CRIMSON CIRCLE. This is actually my boxer dogs name, I got him when I was at my lowest point in my life, he has brought me many years of protection and unconditional love. He was meant to come into my life when I needed him.
GOD WORKS IN ALL KINDS OF MYSTERIOUS WAYS.

Tobias, I am intrigued….I will search further. Mr Staubs, Bill, we love you. For all that you intended, all that you’ve given, and I still believe that no matter what Haleigh will still be in your heart. Take care of you, my friend, if I can be so bold. If there’s anyway I can help you out, just let me know. Hopefully, the rest of us who aren’t as battle torn and weary can keep up the fight to keep Haleigh Cummings name out there, maybe soon we all can rejoice! Peace Brother.

Cobra, i am praying for you. Be safe. This case is getting to me. Got to back away for a while.

Jelly Bean, Sorry, but I disagree with you there. You see, the statstics are A LOT different for a non stranger abduction, and a family abduction is even more so. With this being the season of Christmas, I’ve got nothing but hope and faith and belief in my heart. I’m also going to look at the facts that *I* know. They have never ever said foul play. I’m going to keep right on thinking that Haleigh is not on the ground, or they would have found her by now. I’m also going to keep right on remembering what The Great Tim Miller said when he left the first time. “SHES JUST NOT HERE”. P.S. If my child were missing, I would hate to think what I’d feel if I read your very first sentence. And I’m not thinking Jaycee in Haleigh’s case. Nope. Not at all.

I was so moved yesterday listening to Bill tell of his hard work, sacrfice and concern for the well being of this little baby girl Haleigh who we all love as our own child and I cried for him and felt his pain. I share the same birthday as Haleigh and carry the sadness of not knowing where she is as it is her parents job to nuture and love her which includes knowing where she is. Jan & Simon thank you for all you do for the missing kids that you write about and do shows on for it is up to us to keep their names in the public and I know I talk about them all to all I meet to raise their awareness of what is really going on here in our country. May God keep blessing all of you with strength, faith and grace.
angel blessings Sass

Trial by fire. That describes Cobra’s life at present. There is something great coming for you, Bill, although it hasn’t been revealed yet. God doesn’t close a door without opening another.

Morning, Everyone! I’ve been reading the comments above and just want to talk about a couple of things.
Thunderbunny, you said LE has never said “foul play.” I’m not sure what you mean by that but IMO no matter what has happened to Haleigh it IS foul play. Even if our dearest hopes – for example that she is happy, healthy and living with some distant family member are true – that is still foul play. She was taken away from her father who had legal custody.

Also, LE has said it was not a stranger abduction. But that does not necessarily mean it was a family member either. There are a lot of people who would not be strangers and would not be family. I believe that just means it was someone known to the child. And unfortunately there are a lot of unsavory characters in that category.

But to carry that further, what does that mean? That Haleigh got up without Misty knowing (she wasn’t there or was sleeping) and willingly went with the person? How would LE know that? It doesn’t take much to subdue a child or keep her quiet. So I don’t understand on what basis LE has come to that conclusion.

I am speachless, I did do my very best and had no idea there was so much love. Thank you all for your kind words and support. I can not answer all the e-mails I have recieved, so here I say to all of you, May God richly bless your lives and may someone somday resolve this case.

Special thanks to the panel and you Simon and Jan for all the love, in tears I remain humbled.

Bill Staubs

I Believe That Our Heavenly Father No,s Best And Do His Work Beyond What Is Going With The Haleigh Case. Mister Staub, Hearing You On The Radio Blog Show Simon Show You Where Compassion,Have Diginty And Indeed Was Doing Your Best To Find Innocent Little Girl Haleigh You Tryed Your Best And You Gave All You Had. Are Prayer Is You GAIN BACK What You Have Loss And Gain Back More Abundtly Stay Strong And Dont Loose Hope Amen.

Cobra,

There is always love and support. And for you there are HUGE amounts!! Sometimes the devil just clouds our vision.

You and your friends have sacrificed so much for the cause of finding one precious child. My christmas wish for you is to have a healed heart and a wonderful future. I have learned a great deal from you and give you credit for giving Haleigh a national voice when she had none.

Your influence as an investigator, leader and YES, HERO has inspired many of us, and because of this, men and women in this Country have the conviction and will to carry on.

That is the most challenging test for any leader, is it not? The few people who can pass this test are indeed WINNERS!!!! THANK-YOU!!!!

Sincerely,

Terri

M2C

ANOTHER NUT I MIGHT SAY????
U R SO INFORMATIVE BCUZ U READ,RESEARCH AND STAY OPEN MINDED.
NOW I GET WHAT U WERE SAYING,I TOTALLY AGREE W/ U.HOW DID LE COME UP WITH THAT”NO STRANGER ABDUCTION”IF THEY KNOW THAT MUCH, THEN WHO?….

Gosh and golly, CSI. Very kind of you to say.
But all I’ve ever done is try to look at what information we have, try to figure out what (if anything) it could mean about Haleigh’s disappearance and try to put the puzzle together – with different pieces and in different ways.

That’s why I look at all statements (like the one we were just talking about from LE) and say, “Ok. Where did they get that idea? What does it mean?” And then I ask others (as I did here) for their opinions and maybe we come up with some thoughts or ideas.

That’s why I like this blog. There are SO many people with great thoughts and information and sources and ideas that I like talking with them to pin down fact vs fiction, relevant info (or not) and work out theories on the case.

I’m not LE or in any way related to that profession/ I’m really only interested in it as part of the means to finding Haleigh (or solving other mysteries).

I’m sure LE would NOT want to talk with me because all I’d have to offer are a lot of questions for them! lol! And that’s because either they have info they are not sharing yet or they’ve come to some conclusions based on their own assumptions (which may or may not be right).

Basically, I want to continue to blog like this with everyone because even if WE don’t solve this, I believe we’ll be helping to keep Haleigh’s name out there and keeping the pressure on LE (and maybe the perp) to keep investigating.

Cobra you’re in my thoughts and prayers, take care of yourself.

who will be next to bail..tj, jan? I know, the crime doctor. What happen to “we’ll stick with this case til haleigh comes home”?

Cobra, thanks so much for all you have done for Haleigh. I’m truly sorry you got into so much trouble with all this. Many, many of us know you for the fine person you are.

God bless & have a wonderful Christmas.

OJ’s Glove,

I have no idea who you are, and can’t even be bothered to look it up. But I can assure you that neither Jan, I, TJ or Denny will drop this case.

You see the external of the case, the things that we publish and talk about on air, you do not see what happens behind the scenes. Bill was in many ways forced out, it would be inappropriate and unethical to discuss the situation. Bill has made a choice, and it is one that I support.

He did not get rich off the case, any money that he received was used to help the search.

My heart goes out to Bill.

Cobra, your presence will truly be missed. You have many friends here and many people who love and understand your challenges at this time. Please take care of yourself and allow yourself to heal. One day at a time. Each day you will gather more strength. Trust that the Lord has much in store in your life, believe in Him, He will never leave your side. Keep in touch with us. Love ya like a brother. Queenie.

What a brilliant post, Simon and awesome comments posted by readers!
Many of us cannot help solve this case, so we put our faith, hope, prayers and trust in these fine folks here! As you can see, we love all of you. Our gratitude can never be expressed enough. We silently support you through prayer. We encourage your efforts through Internet posts. God has His soldier’s to support His cause in place, He places guardian angels to watch over, and He does reward those who do the right thing. We know, believe and understand His ways because we are a just society. Thank you all!

Aligoo – Brilliant response! I think you posted for all of us – thank you!

OJ’s Glove – and what exactly have YOU done to help find Haleigh? What sacrifices have you made? Are YOUR finances in the toilet? Lost any loved ones over your interest in the case? Been arrested because of the case? Been trashed on blogs because of the case? I SOMEHOW DOUBT IT! Before you go making irresponsible statements you might try walking a mile in Cobra’s shoes! You have NO idea what this may have done to him and his personal life and he has given more of himself, his time and his heart than you so BACK OFF! Cobra needs to step away and there is NO shame in that. The only shame I see is directed at you!

M2C,
True that. Haleigh being taken is foul play to the worst extent. In my post though, I was actually referring to something happening in the mobile home. We’ve seen all these children this year, “we suspect foul play, we found blood, we are looking for a body, we are looking for a person that might have caused evidence in the home”…

I haven’t said family abduction. Hangnon and I have had a few conversations over that, and I defer to her. Non Stranger. Non Stranger. Non Stranger. Doesn’t mean family necessarily, doesn’t mean stranger necessarily. Leaves us guessing, yes? But it IS someone they believe Haleigh knows. Ok. We run with that. It’s all we’ve got. To me, it means they found no evidence in the home thinking Haleigh had been hurt. There did not appear to be any struggle, maybe because Misty did not wake up? Hell if I know. (This is my opinion only here I’m not saying this is what it is!) I agree, easy to take a child, especially with Misty sleeping off her weekend. The bottom line is that a lot of unsavory’s could have taken her, true. But there is a whole lot of family there too. Even a twice removed cousin, for instance is considered family.

Guess when they say non stranger abduction, they mean, “we don’t know who the hell took her”. Think I’ll go light another candle for Haleigh and say a little prayer. She’s over 500 tonight, by the way. She deserves a 1000.

How can anyone in good conscience slander the people who are there to help,when help is all they offer,What happened to Cobra is a damn disgrace,A guy who like Padilla and Kronk,and Mr Grund came in the picture to Help these familie’s and because of it were disgraced by the familie’s of the missing person….and now are suspect’s.casey wouldn’t help find her own daughter and the A’s didn’t want the people who could find the truth to help!!!!! Such is the case with Haleigh now!

I wonder, is there a way the public could maybe complain or take up a petition to restore Cobra’s Lisence?? Something need’s to be done,If there’s no Cobra’s,Grunds, and Kronk’s…..then nobody will be tring to find the truth,everybody else want’s to hide it!!

LE hasn’t investigated every family member ad nauseum. They weren’t even given LDT tests and Baker county was searched this summer at the request of Marie.

Also LE is the one that said it was a non stranger abduction and have said it many times.

I know LE said it is nonstranger. I am asking for evidence of that. I have not read about anything, other than a LACK of evidence. Since when does a lack of evidence implicate the family? Again—Danielle van dam,
jessica lundsford. What i have seen is the family and anyone remotely associated with the case trashed, with no evidence what so ever.

And there was a light on…the kichen light.

That tralier scene was staged. The crime happened elsewhere, that’s why there’s no evidence at that place.

bonanzajellybean @ 1:39 am – Yes, I wonder the same thing. PCSO apparently did not see any signs of “forced entry” and that’s the only basis I’ve heard from them for their conclusion that it was a non-stranger abduction (which does not limit it to family – there are plenty of people who are not family and not strangers).
And you’re right. It makes me think they’ve never heard of the cases you mentioned.
All of which (and more) has to leave us wondering if local LE is competent.

mel22- A blogger (and forgive me I have forgotten who) said there is no PI. That it was a rumor.

HollysGmom- a flashlight would work.

My efforts would not have been possible if for not a very strong lady behind me. As in other cases she was there in a hugh supporting role.

However this case has taken it’s toll on her and she faltered, when that happened I feel as well.

Keep that in mind if you too see your life falling apart with your involvement in this case, stop before that happens in your lives. As the ones nearest you may not be strong enough for the both of you. We do not need any more broken hopes and broken dreams because of cases like these. It is a true shame to have lost so much.

Please, and God bless you all. Thanks for the support!

Bill

m2c 6:12 a.m. Not to your satisfaction, HA HA. Who are you? You don’t know what L.E. has done or who they have spoken to.

hangon, your facts are wrong i had no control over art harris otherwise those stories would have exclusive case closed stamped on them not art harris exclusive. everyone had to be investigated not just one side, i did not try to frame or go after anyone, simply if Haleigh had hired me to find her, that is what i did.

i am not mad at you, just correcting you and i did not lie on anyone i called it as i saw it at the current time frames…period…

Cobra I will say is this last thing, as much as I dislike you and what you have done at HaLeigh’s expense

I WOULD NOT WISH TO READ YOUR NAME IN AN OBITUARY!

Enough Said.

It could just be me I don’t know but I am puzzled at the people who consistantly jump with the defensive for either parent or side of the family. Why would anyone who is a complete stranger looking at this from the outside looking in feel the need to defend either side or person etc…? This case is yet to be solved and although none of us are here to convict anyone on the interwub we also have posters acting like wannabe defense attorney’s and scrubs. What the heck is that all about anyway?
No really?
I understand that some posters might take things to far with their words against either parent or side of the family but flip side to that….
What would anyone who is saying anything pro or against either side have to say if it is found that the person(s) you have been so adamantly defending are somehow involved, guilty etc?
I’ve been thinking about that for quite some time now and none of this (questionable) defensive behavior makes a whole bunch of sense just yet either.
I have my own thoughts about this case but guess what? I could be wrong. What’s even more, I want to be wrong.
I may have been correct about other cases I’ve followed but there are no guarantees that I am right about anything here to do with this case. And even if my thoughts might be correct about this case, what should I do? Pin a rose on my nose? Write a book so I could make money exploiting someone elses grief? H to the E to the double L NO!
I would never feel ok about being right about someone elses potential loss, pain, tragedy and or suffering etc…!!!
So while some of you people here are consistantly bent on defending either side of this completely devastating tragedy at the expense of a missing little girl I am going to step up and say words to defend William “Cobra” Staubs, (even though I don’t think he needs me to or appreciates me doing it) because this man has gone above and beyond to try to find little Haleigh Cummings as has his female friend.
At no point am I questioning the mans tactics during the investigation because the intention was to find Haleigh and that is all that anyone should be caring about.
Cobra and his female friend are a few of the people who are/were actually down there invested in and physically searching for Haleigh. They have both apparently suffered losses while trying to do the right thing and I have great compassion for both of them and their efforts.
I think it takes some seriously thick skin to do what these people do each and everyday. We are all human beings and the stress has gotten to everyone at one time or another.
Luckily Cobras can molt. That was kind of meant as a joke so it’s ok to laugh 🙂
(That seems to be his nature though.)
Cobra I am wishing you and your female friend both a chance to intimately recover from this sad situation so that your relationship will be restored even stronger than before and even more I am hoping that this case will soon be solved.
Sincerely.

You may have gotten too close Cobra. Just a little too close to what’s really out there and what the truth is. I believe someone wanted you out of there, and ta~da. That’s what happened. There must have been some direction, some path you were on that someone didn’t want you on. Too sad that it had to be on the name a missing child.

All this conspiracy stuff is too much. It seems obvious that LE focused exclusively on Misty, and did not focus enough on other possiblies (think Sabrina Eisenburg in Florida). I say this because—–if a “nonstranger” abduction occurred, why the he** hasent LE found Haleigh? LE knows the players…they cant hide. Yet it has been almost a year and still no Haleigh. That is enough time for LE to have thoughly questioned anyone they know that could have had the remote opportunity to find Haliegh. Yet still no Haliegh. I still think stranger abduction.

TBT thank you much for the response.
It spoke volumes.
I appreciate yet disagree with you about your comments in regards to people pushing ideas, thoughts, opinions on anyone no matter what the argument is in that Law enforcement do not depend solely upon posters on the internet to guide them in how they conduct their investigations. It would very potentially be paranoid and/or delusional rationalization to think such a rediculas thought in my humble opinion. But alas, it is but just my opinion.
Karen.

To: K you know who at 9:10 am about my 6:12 a.m. comment.

As far as your asking, “Who are you?” Well, I’m a blogger with questions. And as far as I know LE has not interviewed everyone I’d like to see questioned. That’s what “to my knowledge” means. Do you require further explanation to really understand or do you understand but just want to mouth off?

This one is too deep for me… I will only say that, if your heart is leading you, then so be it.

Tuff Stuff, maybe you need to reread my posts? I was talking about certain bloggers and did not mention LE. So before disagreeing with someone and commenting about irrational,paranoid and ridiculous (which you misspelled by the way)thoughts, it may be a good idea to actually read the posts thoroughly and not assume what or whom they are speaking of. I thought I made it clear I was referring to certain other bloggers,but in case I did not, I was. Had I been speaking of LE I would have said so.

JackWells, I am not familiar with you or aware of how long you have been on this blog. However, I am familiar with Lawshirk and she has been on here a long time and very consistent and balanced in her postings in the past. I think she has shown love and concern for Haleigh. So I do not think she would play a game concerning her little life. To me if she says she is investigating this case I sincerely believe she is doing just that. JMO Treece

TBT, you said, “now,I hate to have to point this out to such intelligent people but in having that posted all over the internet,it could help a child murderer walk free if indeed she is deceased”

How do you suppose it might potentially help a child murderer walk free if not that you are of the thinking that what is being said on the internet might somehow influence LE’s interest in this case?

That is what you were implying then no?

Anyway,
I certainly had no intentions to come off as attacking your post. I simply mentioned that I disagree with you.

Ah yes, ridiculous. You are correct, my mistake.

You are right. Reputable journalists are NOT going to cover NO news. There is no news, or developments on the case. Putting stories out there on the internet that include lies, inuendo, finger pointing, harassing, ect have done NOTHING to find Haleigh. The goal of “keeping Haleighs name before the public” has been lost in this media circus. All should be ashamed, and stop it now.

m2c♥ said,in December 16th, 2009 at 6:38 pm To: K you know who at 9:10 am about my 6:12 a.m. comment.

As far as your asking, “Who are you?” Well, I’m a blogger with questions. And as far as I know LE has not interviewed everyone I’d like to see questioned. That’s what “to my knowledge” means. Do you require further explanation to really understand or do you understand but just want to mouth off?
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m2c,

I see common thread in many of your posts. Im wondering why the hostility? Maybe your approach is rubbing ppl the wrong way???

Tuff Stuff, If Jose Baez will use the likes of Joy Wray, imagine what a good defense attorney would do with all these people chomping at the bits to spew the hate about Ronald and his family. If you do not understand by now what I am saying, can’t help you.

TruthBeTold:

If you are suggesting that the jury members would be swayed by our thoughts or arguements, well, they MIGHT, but only based on the information’s own merits, not how many are saying it. If you believe that we can sway a jury prior to judgement of accused or prior to trial will sway a juror then you don’t really understand the jury selection process. First reason to be dismissed from a jury is fore-knowledge of the case or know a participant.
In the Anthony case there will be a looser description of fore-knoledge, I would think since it is so media publicised.

FedUp @ 12:50 am.
Why do you assume you know what I think? For you to say, “How come you dont feel the same way about the families who have suffered such a great loss?” is ridiculous. What makes you think that I don’t feel that way? When ever have I even implied the contrary?

I am FedUp with being attacked by you for non-existent reasons. It’s ludicrous.

Fed;
while I agree ith a lot of what you had to say, I do feel that PCSO DID point the finger and in a round about way “accuse” Misty.
“Misty’s timeline doesn’t add up” + “Misty is KEY” statements lead a reader to believe that even they think she’s guilty of something, even if it’s just a timeline issue. So yes, bloggers have “taken” these families “apart”. Maybe in error, but how do we go about finding a missing child without looking into the past & present of those closest to that child? I’m sorry if they’ve been or felt smeared. However, it has been thier very own actions that have been talked about or written about. Even the 3-day binge party. Misty did it, several people confirmed it. I still think that even if Cobra hadn’t have joined this case that “Nay-Nay” would have jumped at the chance to tell the very next person who asked, media or otherwise. JMO Everything after that initial story has been true and validated. I hope we find Haleigh. When we do, the guilty party, hopefully, will pay, no matter who they are. If Misty and Ron are due appologies then they will be offered. I do not believe that what we have talked about would keep either one of them from employment. For a prospective employer to NOT hire them/him/her due to this case would put them in a position to be financially liable. Now, I know that not everyone would come right out and tell them that is why they weren’t hired, thus making a civil suit so much harder, but if they feel that they are being discrimminated against in this fashion they should seek representation, possibly upon a contengency basis. I’ve been in management before and I’ve helped select potential applicants for hire. It never had anything to do with what thier name was, known to me or otherwise. The resulting candidate was chosen due to thier: Education, Work History, Previous Experience in that field, if any, & thier ability to match the job position: Shift time available, transportation issues, etc.

Morning, HollysGmom!
I know of a blog site that does not allow anything – even established facts – that sound remotely negative to be said about the family.

It’s supposed to be a blog about Haleigh. But other than offering up prayers and referring people to BNN and other web sites for information, all they seem to do is talk about their own lives, families, dinners etc. It’s like a social networking site for grannies.

So that’s my way of saying, I agree with you. I don’t know how we’re supposed to discuss the case or theorize or help or even know that pressure needs to be put on people to keep investigating – if we’re not allowed to talk about the people closest to Haleigh.

We should be careful and try to distinguish truth from rumor and certainly not bash anyone for the sake of bashing but that does not happen here (very much) and when it does, it’s generally disagreed with.

In addition, Misty and the families are not the only ones we talk about or consider as possibly responsible.

There are a lot of people in their circles, their community, plus the SOs we’ve talked about and the possibility of an SO from out of town. So it’s not like we are singling out anyone.

BNN – as opposed to a lot of other sites – has mostly avoided taking sides. We have bloggers on here who may favor or blame one side or another but it’s part of discussion and debate. This has never been a place where a Ron-hater or Crystal-hater or Misty-hater would be welcomed (or if welcomed, then they’d still be challenged).

M2C
Thanks for your reply. I can see how a site set up specifically for family members to go to in order to see others good wishes and uplifting messages only are posted. It kind of makes sense. I think it’s much needed as well. Then there are the sites that should be allowed to discuss this other stuff. Possibly a family member or loved one should not participate or view this type of site as it can be so hurtfull.
I agree that this site and it’s members go to great lengths to make sure what is being said is “valid” or “confirmed info”. Of course there are times when we get side-tracked or cross a line. It seems to hold true that most will appologize for thier error and walk away better informed. I wish we could make all sites use those guidelines, at a minimum. I’m glad that you too feel that this site is unbiased per who is guilty of what.

Hangon I agree with the post just above this. That is a problem! Did this man come by this “mis-information” on a blog? or Nancy Grace? or some other media outlet? Do we even know where the mis-information originated?
I guess all we can do is keep pushing her name out there and educating or re-educating people about Haleigh.

Gmom – I am not sure where his information came from. I live outside the Tampa area and it is amazing at how many people down here do not know about HaLeigh OR that are under the presumption she has been killed.

I talk to people when I am handing out fliers, and so many do not realize we are still looking for HaLeigh.

JackWells- I have heard several people say that they bought tickets to the concert even though they could not attend.

I do not believe for a minute that all the people that claim that they bought tickets or made donations are not being honest.

m2c- I am not sure how many other blogs, forums, or twitters that you follow but I can attest that until the info was released in the BAR complaint, most onliners did not push for LE to look elsewhere.

The tone of the online world, which bled into mainstream media, was definitely anti-Ron, anti-Misty, anti-Cummings, with many blatantly stating that Ron, Misty, Ms Neves, and even Ms Sykes were involved in “getting rid” of HaLeigh through murder or disposing of her body, or blatently stating that Ms Neves was setting them up to be killed.

My gosh the family has had a “camera stalker” for months who even wormed her way into a PRIVATE event in honor of HaLeigh, by hiding amongst media, posted pictures of the family, their homes, their vehicles, their neighbors homes, directions to get to the homes.

I do believe that LE fed the frenzy with their mantra of “Misty is the Key” while at the same time not giving any real information to what may have happened to HaLeigh.

If what Cobra told TH is true, and LE did indeed know that Misty was at home sleeping AND that HaLeigh was in the bed WITH Misty, I personally believe LE has done a great disservice to HaLeigh as well as to the community that may still be in danger.

m2c- Yes we were definitely in the minority in wanting EVERYBODY and EVERY POSSIBILITY to be investigated, and we did meet with much resistance on most online forums, blogs, etc.

I do believe that what the posters said especially on that other “non-journalist’s” site did impact and influence what was being written on his site AND also influenced what was being reported on national media such as NG and JVM.

While I do not always agree with Simon and Jan, I appreciate the opportunity that they give all of us to post our beliefs, thoughts, and feelings BOTH on their website and in the chat on their Sunday broadcasts. I also appreciate Jan trying to get our questions in chat put up to the show panel.

Not deserting you. Just have to run out for a while. Looking forward to talking with you all later!
Have a great day!

Paw69: ::Snicker::

To be honest, nope. We haven’t found Haleigh so we still need to look EVERYWHERE. I too have been talking about possibile issues with LE since the begining. My own county sherriff had just been indicted the summer before for payroll/bonuses kick-back scheme. FBI took him down in fabulous Las Vegas. So let me be the first to stand up and put my hand in the air to be counted, that this type of stuff really happens. I know too much about this little berg. I need to either move or shut up.

lawshrink, i am one of those skeptics. lawshrink i am posting some of my thoughts and questions concerning your postings here concerning haleigh.
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LawShrink said,in December 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pm “Checking in everyone, sorry we have not been on here much busy trying to bring Haleigh home for Christmas.”

*** personally i find statements like this offensive. even if you are who and what you say, this is just to much! for christmas, really? can h.c.’s family count on you to do your best for christmas? i find your big talk cruel.***
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 2:13 pm “… Puntnam county to find a place to have a benefit concert and dance and guess what, I seem to do really well, and then when they ask me what it is for all sorts of problems crop up for them.” ***hmmmm, really, NO ONE would let you hold a benefit dance? not one venue or hall?***
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 2:21 pm “Hey you know what, I think I will have the concert / Dance / for missing Adji too.”

***lawshrink, how is the party going for adji too??? what if his family read that? they may well have! i don’t know if they read english, but, i bet someone read it to them if they didn’t read it themselves. can adji count on you? i bet you really got their hopes up to have a fundraiser for adji. ***
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am ((about haleigh not being in people)) “… I also called and asked about Haleigh, and if she was going to be in there, they said the family did not return the phone calls.”

***i believe it turned out people magazine said they did not even pick the children to be in the story, i think it was stated that the m & e chldr people chose the children to be featured in the article. would you care to share with all of us who you talked to, who told you that about crystal and ronald?***
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm “…You know what, even despite the fact that Walmart cannot put Haleighs picture up because the family has not signed the release to do so, and people magazine can’t put her in their magazine because the family won’t return their calls.”

***i really wonder about that? i don’t know about this personally, but why did hollysgmom see her pic at walmart?*** ***also if that is true, maybe you should write to haleighs family through the police to forward info that they can have her poster put up.***

and hollysgmom posted the following: HollysGmom said,in November 13th, 2009 at 1:01 am I’m wondering when they pulled the Amber Alert from Wal-Mart. I saw one for Haleigh in April at my local wally. I saw the one at Publix for Haleigh & Adji just yesterday. Am I mistaking the Haleigh info that was discussed above?
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Lawshrink said,in November 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm “…I am (as I speak) printing out 25,000 flyers of her missing poster and I am going to post them in every wayside, Truck stop, fast food restaurant , Back of moving trains, busses and Long haul trucks till the day they find her!!” ***that is a heck of a lot of fliers, but, i guess you could have given out the fliers in large chunks?? and lets not forget your reference to your work for haleigh when haleigh’s own family is not doing this! ***
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***what about all the joking about the concert marie and crystal and the band had. lots of jokes about your donation buying plane tickets and cars, even??? of course when it was pointed out the band was reimbursing ticket buyers, you revealed your donation was previously made before the concert and you could not be reimbursed. but, you were so magnanimous with your kind heart or was it generous heart? you let people think you were talking about the concert, so funny, till someone pointed out you could get your money back. did you even ever make a large donation at all?***

Lawshrink said,in November 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am What I donated might have gone to the cost of, More than 4 plane ticket, 4 days, and nights stay in the best hotel and lobster dinners every night. And a New Car!!

But the price to find Haleigh PRICELESS.
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Lawshrink said,in November 4th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
lawshrink, ((about the 911 tapes)) “I can ask, or get them somewhere online; my brother is a wiz with that stuff. I will post them in the forum when I get them.”
***did your wiz brother ever tell you what was going on in the background of the 911 tape? is it posted for all of us to see what he found? i looked today and did not find it. maybe i really don’t know where to find the info, if it is posted, can you tell all like me, where to find it.***
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Haleigh Cummings – PCSO Has New E-mail Tip Line//
((in response to s.o. never turn on lights per lawshrink))
J said,in October 23rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm “…The lights were on in the Lunsford home when Couey took Jessica Lunsford.

Brian David Mitchell turned on the lights in Elizabeth Smart’s home so she could find sneakers the night she was kidnapped (and her sister was in the same room).

Just to name two.
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lawshrink i remember you mentioning that you were going to be e-mailing jan. i thought at the time you were saying that to make everyone believe in your legitimacy. to me, you talk big about yourself, your family, your knowledge and education, your big heart for haleigh, and now how productive your search is in finding what has happened to haleigh. and lets not forget your fundraising for adji too. if this is a hoax it is really gross. it feels like you are doing this to haleigh not a bunch of adult bloggers. if you are legit i hope you do talk to jan and simon or t.j. so they can someway verify who you are so haleigh’s real family can know if you are on the up and up. of course if i am wrong and your team is giving up their lives to find haleigh, then i will owe all of you more than an apology. if you really are a shrink i hope you appreciate how all this talk can effect people. you don’t want people to blindly believe, do you? i am sure we all think a healthy skepticism is important. especially when you are talking about finding a missing 6 year old precious child. i am being as sincere as i know how. please if you could comment on my questions, i would really appreciate it. ms.p.

Nice to meet you billybob. I agree with and appreciate your post. It’s refreshing to have someone like you around.

I had posted this before and I’m posting it again because I posted it when others were having an issue and didn’t realize it. Anyways, I’m just wondering if this could be possible as well….

PAW69 said,in December 16th, 2009 at 11:45 pm I’m just going to throw this out there….

Could it be possible that Tommy did go over to Ron and Misty’s, Gave Misty a drug but it was something else that she didn’t realize and it knocked her out for a while, Tommy stole the guns, but in the process Haleigh woke up, and because she could tell on Tommy, Tommy took Haleigh and set up the cinder block at the door and killed Haleigh and put her where ever he put her due to the fact she could tell on him. The drug could be the part that Misty isn’t telling because she doesn’t want to get into trouble and she doesn’t know what happened. It could also be the reason of the confusion of her stories at that time. Tommy is the only one that I see that has really gone down hill since Haleigh disappeared.

All of this is just a thought and an opinion.

Maybe Misty holds the key… as in she knows more on perhaps the person that took HaLeigh. She could have come across the info from her dealings in the streets. She may know about something that could of happened days or even weeks prior to HaLeigh going missing. There are so many possibilities regarding all of them involved. And yes, I do mean all of them.

Why people are so intent on proving/forcing their beliefs on everyone here is beyond me!! State them, Discuss them, Debate them, Move on. Way Too Much Challenging going on.

THE FACT IS… WE WERE NOT THERE… WE DON’T KNOW THEM PERSONALLY… OR DO WE?

Vaq,

I too found it strange that someone would bOuNcE, when their loved one is missing. I truly don’t understand the dynamics of their family life. It’s odd behavior all around.

Bless HaLeigh

cent and Vaq,
I’m somewhat confused on that issue. Wasn’t the move planned prior to Haleigh’s disappearance? From what I have read on that I’m just not certain it was a “bounce” as to escape from the area all quick like.
Could it have been a pre-planned incident somehow incorporated to coincide with the move? Possibly. I don’t know.

I had thought about Misty being drugged BUT I do not believe if she had been drugged she would have woken up suddenly a few hours later. I think she would have been out cold until Ron got home, and very groggy when woken.

For me it is not Misty that is the key, it is Tommy. He was at the MH earlier that day giving him the opportunity to unlock the door. He also had access to keys to the MH. He places himself at the MH later that night, in fact he is the last known person to be at the MH besides Misty and the children. He has definitely gone down hill since HaLeigh was taken.

I just can not wrap my head around TC taking HaLeigh because she caught him in the MH stealing. If he was caught in the MH he would have made up an excuse, woke Misty, and told her that Ron was worried because she was not answering the phone so he came to check on her, found the door unlocked so came in. Or something like that.

I think (pray)if TC is involved that it was for a different reason. I think he played a part in a plan to take HaLeigh. I think he was paid for the part he played. I think he was so angry at Ron over what happened the previous week that he gladly jumped into the plan when it was laid out to him. I do not think he or anybody else realized the magnitude that the case would take.

Holly’s GMom, actually, I do know about the jury process, please don’t assume things about me. I wonder how many people will answer honestly when asked if they have watched news or followed the case in any way. You seem to think that everyone will be honest about prior knowledge of this case or what ever case they may be in the jury pool for.

now han on there, hangon…..hey everyone, just checking in….anyway, I have been a member of Art’s site (I believe that is who you were referring to in your post, if not, then I apologize) and for MONTHS a handful of us faithful posters tried to put forth the belief that no one has been accused in Haleigh’s disappearance, therefore, we wanted to keep an open mind and not see anyone crucified, especially not her parents or family members, they are having a hard enough time dealing with their grief. Of course, not everyone who was posting there in the beginning shared our views, and the vicious attacks began. We have been called retards, old hags, and other names I will not say here, being the lady that I am. It hurt. It hurt everyone of us, because all we have ever wanted from the beginning was justice for Haleigh. We still cling to the belief that that day will come. We won’t give up our vigil. We refuse to trash the parents of this child.

Now the babysitter and her family? Not so much. Couldn’t raise a whole lot of sympathy for any of them, as I personally believe that Ron was totally used by Misty and her family. But I and many others are not convinced that she really had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance, if she had, she would have broken by now.

We have seen the pain on Ron’s face, on Teresa’s face, on Annette’s face. We have seen Crystal and Marie on tv, supporting each other. We know the backgrounds of the parents, and we also know we all make mistakes in life, and that none of us is perfect enough to judge one another.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the atmosphere at Art’s site is much like the one here these days, and that’s why I like reading and posting at both sites. We are staying focused on the search, of course we are frustrated at the lack of information coming out of the PCSO, but that frustration has not reduced the core group of us, the ones who have been together on this case from the beginning to fighting and bickering and the general madness that seems to have affected so many others regarding this case.

For us, it IS still all about Haleigh.

Maybe some of you will get the chance to come over and check us out sometime, if you do, you will be welcome.

I think most of the trolls have found a new home under a new bridge and it’s safe.

Merry Christmas all, you are a great group.

Good day people,

IMO i feel LE holds the key now to this case.

Tuff Stuff said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

cent and Vaq,
I’m somewhat confused on that issue. Wasn’t the move planned prior to Haleigh’s disappearance? From what I have read on that I’m just not certain it was a “bounce” as to escape from the area all quick like.
Could it have been a pre-planned incident somehow incorporated to coincide with the move? Possibly. I don’t know.
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As far as I know, publicly anyway,that it was not a planned move. Connie had something on her myspace that said they were tired of the scrutiny and the looks from people so they were moving. Connie had a good job there so it must have been a good reason to move besides people looking at them. So with Ruby Sargent Kanger in tow they moved to KY.

Cobra said they had some land up there they were paying on for retirement one day. Connie applied for her license in KY right before the abrupt move back without Ruby. Also Marty had his MIL arrested for making terroristic threats right before they moved back.

Remember the big fall out between Crystal and her father before they moved? Apparently Kim told Crystal that if she went for custody of the kids that Marty/Connie were going to file for custody. I believe Marty denied that but who knows.

I agree with you….I do not believe there is going to be a delivery of Haleigh for Christmas. I think that is a hope and a dream, but nothing more. I do not believe lawshrink. Anyone can get on here and post any crazy thing they want (and some people do). I just dont have a good feeling about lawshrink.

I MEANT BONANZA SORRY

To lawshrink,
To raise people’s hopes that Haleigh will be home for Christmas is quite strange. To even insinuate it is bizzare. I question your motivation. Why get on this blog and announce such a thing? Announcements of this proportion should properly wait until Haliegh is indeed found….then blast it to the world….we all want to hear it. This is one of the reasons i believe you are questionable…nobody legitimate with an ounce of sanity is going to announce something like this on this blog.

oceanviewnan: To clarify, when I commented about rabid wolves I was thinking of some of the posters whose comments I read on a site that is no longer around. 🙂

That is because I believe lawshrink is a troll. Blogging onto sites to get the attention he thinks he never got as a child. People who believe what he says are going to be sorely disappointed. People like me, however, are just plain annoyed.

THIS DOESN’T ONLY ANNOY ME IF IT’S AN EGO PRANK IT MAKES ME VERY ANGRY,AND SADDENS ME THAT ONE WOULD BE SOOOOO CRUEL.

Good News in the Casey Anthony case – Strickland has denied three of the infinite motions that the defense has made as of late. Strickland has denied the motion to destroy old video of visits with Casey, denied the defenses request to dismiss the 13 charges of fraud in the stolen check case and the third had to do with a statement (secret recording) made by someone from Equusearch with an investigator for the defense. That one may not be in our favor….not sure as this was the first I’ve heard about this one. Strickland still has to rule on the motion to remove the death penalty from the table and I DON’T see that happening as well as whether future visits with Casey should be recorded on video. I don’t see him going for that either. The jail’s attorney did a pretty good job of shooting that motion down already by asking the judge why they should provide special treatment to one prisoner. They also documented that they were in compliance with all State and Federal requirements and that the video (minus audio) was there for security reasons. Looks like the Monster will have to face ALL charges in the fruad case. That means FELONIES on her record when she goes to trial for murder! YIPEEEEEEEEEEE!

JB – Thank you for the news! I had not heard anything since the hearing last Friday! Thank you!

I prefer the word “troll”. It is more descriptive.

I will place my bet that lawshrink disappears (cover blown).

m2c,

If i am not mistaken i think Jan is the only admin. on this board.

HAS ANYONE HEARD IF MISTY STILL HAS THE SAME ATTY.?

YOU KNOW I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THE INTERVEIWS IN THE EARLY DAYS,AND I JUST REALLY FEEL LIKE RON HAS TRIED TO PROTECT MISTY.ANY THOUGHTS ON WHY/OPINION.I MYSELF DON’T THINK IT’S OUTTA LOVE.ALSO WHY DIDN’T RON FORCE MISTY TO DO THE REINACTMENT W/ COBRA,CONSIDERING THEY TRUSTED HIM AT THAT TIME?

Pinkey, there are a few here and “out there” that LOOK for the chance and even IMAGINE chances to jump on me. I don’t know why. I appreciate your support and understanding.
You are one of the people I was trying to support by making that request of LawShrink (so you can get mad at me if you want!) 🙂

AW YA’LL DON’T ARGUE.

IT’S A SMALL THING.LET’S NOT LET TROLLS COME IN AND CAUSE INDIRECT DISGUARD.NOT TO MENTION I’M REALLY THINKING HALEIGH NEEDS THIS FORUM. IF FOR NO OTHER REASON BUT TO KEEP HER NAME ALIVE AND TO EMAIL THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE CONTACTED BCUZ IMO LE SEEMS SHADY.AGAIN IMO SO MANY OTHER LE’s HAVE SAID THE INVESTIGATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED.BUT WHEN YOU HAVE ONES THAT DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO OR DON’T CARE,U C WHAT HAPPENS.WASTING TIME AND MONEY ON COBRA,[HIS ARREST]THAT SAYS ALOT ABOUT THAT COUNTY.WHEATHER COBRA WAS RIGHT OR WRONG SO WAS SNOTGRASS.IMO THERE’S A HIDDEN MOTIVE BHIND THE SCENE.WHAT?… IDK.

M2C – U R welcome for the Casey update. Let’s just hope Strickland continues to rule in our favor. It is BIG that he ruled against the defense to drop the 13 fraud charges. There is NO way she’ll get out of those charges as they have video, her own admission, statements from her family that she has stolen checks from her brother, money from everyone in the family AND credit cards. Stupid Bozo even admitted her guilt when HE repaid the bank for the charges on Amy’s account. That was obviously admitting Casey did it in hopes he could make it all go away. BACKFIRE! Bozo is an idiot and after the pitiful statement Lyons made at this last hearing, she doesn’t impress me much either. Monster Mother of the Decade is going to FRY! 😆

I understand, Anne, but I don’t see how in your humble opinion that you could have taken my request to LawShrink as pretending to be admin or why you attacked me for it. I expect that kind of attitude from some but not from you. I thought you knew me better than that by now. I was really hurt and disappointed to see that and I hope it’s cleared up now.

hangnon – I agree. I think most lawyers would probably advise against doing a re-enactment especially for a PI and on video.

And I’m grateful for the info about Walmart’s posters. But in the last part you said that “NCMEC has a blanket consent to post amber alert children.” Was an amber alert put out for Haleigh? And if not, is that a loophole that would mean Walmart would need parental consent?
I think NCMEC has photos of ALL missing kids on their website whether there was an amber alert or not. But I don’t know if that extends to everyone including Walmart. (Not arguing, I just don’t know).

Treece,
This is an open blog. I have a right to voice what i think. It is bizzare, to say the least, making a statement about bring Haliegh home for christmas. To me that is just unacceptable. I dont believe anyone has any idea who lawshrink is, and i dont believe this poster is credible. I will call out anyone who posts such nonsense.

I too don’t see why/how they could/should of been advised to NOT DO the reenactment. LE could NOT have used it against them, just like they can not use the rest of the crap that was orchestrated by others. As a parent you do whatever it takes. And NO!!! I am not dissing Ron’s side of the family.

I wouldn’t have done cobra’s re-enactment either, he’s not LE and that’s not his job.

MsPeridot,

I just saw your 10:08 am post, I damn near fell out the bed. You are a hoot;-D

Yes Pink… I would think that anyone would do it, if that is what it takes. I never understood the whole defending Misty thing by his family. I can’t get passed the fact Haleigh was in her care. Loving someone does not entitle you to blindness.

Vaq, Cobra is not LE, and he possibly did over-step. But even so, why didn’t Ron insist that it be done? He was on “good terms” with Cobra at the time.

And too be fair… Crystal should have insisted too.

m2c♥ said, in December 17th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

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what request?

And now I need to say this…. I resent feeling like I must include both sides of the “coin” when discussing something that most likely is ONLY relevant to one side.

I don’t believe that I have ever been pro anybody, besides HaLeigh. Yet, now it’s perceived that way whenever someone makes an unpopular statement/thought. These are my feelings and my feelings only… there is no need to respond… I just needed to say this.. is all.

m2c

have u ever heard anyhing about a sighting of Haleigh that wasn’t checked out?

cent, let me see if I understand what you are saying.
If you are discussing a theory in which “x” is the perp, you get challenged or attacked because you didn’t mention in the same comment that “y” is also a possible suspect?

Is that the issue?
If so, I agree. We should be able to say, “here’s a theory” or “what about this?” without having to give every other possibility, too. And without people assuming we’re “pushing” that theory or that it means we are pro or con anyone. I thought that most of us agreed recently that keeping open minds and looking at all possibilities was a good thing to be doing now.

Pinkey @ :48 pm – The only place I’ve heard about that is from the “site I won’t name” run by the “person I won’t discuss.” LOL! I just can’t trust anything he says. So I don’t know if it’s true or not.

IMO I do think Le is behind this now. ans they know where she is. This is my thinking only.

cent about your comment at 7:03pm.

Why wouldn’t LE have been able to use the videotaped re-enactment against her? Why wouldn’t they be able to use TM’s videotaped LDT etc? She did it and was recorded voluntarily so I don’t know why LE couldn’t use it. But I don’t know that much about the law with such things.
I suppose a defense attorney could object to it and then it would be up to a judge whether to let it be admitted at a trial but I don’t know of anything right now that makes it something LE couldn’t use.

Anne,

That has crossed my mind also. I was sorta leaning to LE knowing where she is and what happened before that night events. I do not believe that this was an “opportunity” type of situation.

hangnon, thank you. I thought that’s what you meant. I just wanted to make sure I understood.

M2C,

I was speaking about it being used in a court of law… LDT not being admissible… And even the videotaped re-enactment would not be done in a controlled environment.

To be honest… I am laughing my ass off, at what I am typing. I have no idea either about the subject.

M2C, please do not take this seriously, it just all sounded good in my head earlier. Now, of course I am wondering what the hell I am talking about.

It’s the NyQuil folks… still nursing this bug I caught.

Fair enough Treece.

Anne,

You know not so long ago people were thinking that Ronnie boy was possibly an informant/drug dealer. I will say it… I am one of those people and I still believe that it IS indeed POSSIBLE. But, of course I have no proof, these are my feelings/suspensions.

As far as LE being in on that night… well, it’s a far stretch for me to lean in that direction… FULLY. But, I wonder if an ex LE is at the center of this mystery.

cent @ 8:20 – I’m laughing too. I’m too tired and should not blog anymore tonight.
You’re right of course that LDT’s are not admissable. I was thinking of general videos like TV interviews or possibly that re-enactment if it had happened. You know that would have been on the internet and TV 5 seconds after it was shot. And that would have been fair game for LE to “use” if they wanted to. That’s why lawyers usually advise their clients not to give interviews – even innocent people. It’s too easy to get tripped up or goof and seem to have cooked your own goose, you know?
Good night fellow bloggers and God bless Haleigh wherever she is.

Anne,

I have never heard that rumor… tell me more. Did this person live in Jackson in a trailer home?

Ok… and I think I meant Jacksonville anyways.

Very interesting the dispatch notes and record for the 911 call made to Tommy’s that night cannot be located anymore.

What if Tommy went to the trailer at Ron’s request, and Misty was gone, kids were alone, and Tommy took them to his trailer? Thinking he was going to get Misty in trouble, he calls LE. Well what if X-LE got a call saying what was going on and had HaLeigh taken to him. Just saying X-LE could have been looking out for her, knowing what was going on thinking him and his family could provide better for her. This person then moves suddenly from a place he has lived for his entire 40 some yr. life, to another state. To crazy? Maybe not…

Although I am signing off… Iowa R U in the know? I will pick back up here tomorrow.

hello everyone,

i did think through, whether to post my concerns or not. i still believe it was right to ask lawshrink some questions. i wish that jan, simon or t.j. would let us know if they have had contact with this person and what their impression is.

treece i would personally be angry with anyone calling you names. i would never, even think such a thing.

i don’t want to contribute to censoring anyone. also i do not think m2c♥ was acting like a administrator.

this is an example of why i am concerned:
LawShrink said,in December 17th, 2009 at 7:48 am “…leave us your email and who you are, on the forum and we will gladly respond”

now i know everyone here is an adult and of course you can decide for yourself what is best. it is really making me nervous for people to say who they are without conformation who is on the other end. i do not consider myself internet savvy, i am trying my best to be careful.

thank you hangnon for the information on the fliers at walmart and how they work.

and thank you everyone for understanding i am just expressing concern. and if someone is falsely claiming to having a team i really think that is just cruel.

truthbetold, thank you for sharing that info at 3:26pm. that is interesting!

i don’t intend to bring up this topic again, everyone can decide for themselves.

and back to the point of this blog, talking about what happened to haleigh. ms.p

Misty is the fall person, and what an easy target she turned out to be. Almost a year later and no sign of HaLeigh or clue what happened to her. Could this be because Misty outsmarted LE? Probably not. She was used. Probably drugged. Maybe that explains why she said everything seemed to be a dream. I am not in the know, just trying to find out what happened to this sweet little girl like everyone else here. I do find it really, really strange that no one in her immediate family is doing much to find her. If she were my child or grandchild I would move heaven and earth to find her, the best private investigators money could buy would be on the case the day she was taken. JMO of course but I believe this to be the biggest clue of all. Why look for a child you know is perfectly safe? Tobias, I am not talking about acting LE, think family X-LE…again JMO. Also Tobias, I was the one who contacted The Laura Foundation. They told me a family member had to request their services, so I gave the info to both sides of the family. One side made contact with the Laura Foundation immediately. The other I have not heard back from. To answer your other question, I have heard Teresa N requested FBI involvement but Marie G was not included in that request.

I am not a Troll at all!!!

iOWAMOM

THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE,THAT MISTY WAS DRUGGED.BUT WHO WOULDA DRUGGED HER?

Pinkey32/HUMBLED said, in December 17th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
iOWAMOM

THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE,THAT MISTY WAS DRUGGED.BUT WHO WOULDA DRUGGED HER?

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Its rumor that she went thru woods to get drugs that nite Pinkey. rumor only!!

iowamom,
You also said,
“One side made contact with the Laura Foundation immediately. The other I have not heard back from.”
This might sound silly but the way you typed that out it sounds as if you are from the Laura Foundation. Are you?

I could be wrong but I had understood the 2 grandma’s to be Teresa N and Grandma Sykes. Just FYI

Treece, it was Marie.Marie gave a statement saying that the feds need to take over because Putnam County was corrupt.

Vaquera said, in December 17th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
cent said,
in December 17th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

Anne,

You know not so long ago people were thinking that Ronnie boy was possibly an informant/drug dealer. I will say it… I am one of those people and I still believe that it IS indeed POSSIBLE. But, of course I have no proof, these are my feelings/suspensions.

As far as LE being in on that night… well, it’s a far stretch for me to lean in that direction… FULLY. But, I wonder if an ex LE is at the center of this mystery.
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Marty/Johnny is ex DOC and ex PCSO and has a brother/s that still works for DOC. I wish there was a way to find out if the reason he was fired from PCSO was the rumor I heard back in the beginning. Would current PCSO officers/deputies/detectives cover for an ex law breaking deputy? I don’t know..

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They do cover for there own don’t they? And at this point its not far fetchced for me Vaq. Think about it.And Yes i do think that Ronnie boy could or is a informant cuz someone covered for Him as not to have any fines to pay. this is in my opinion only.This is the direction i lean in and I have from day one.

If indeed PCSO is corrupt or just has a few rogue officers/detectives/deputies then the FBI really needs to take this case over. I’ve always said I can think of only 2 reason for PCSO handling this case they way they have and that is either they are inept as hell or corrupt as hell and don’t want outsiders to know what is going on in that county.

treece said, in December 17th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
If Marty Sheffield had something to do with it we need the TRUTH. The TRUTH needs to be revealed and Haleigh brought back home. KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!!!! I don’t care WHO had something to do with it they need to be exposed.

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Yep i agree with you.I will catch up tomorrow.Bible says to the truth will set you free and i am a believer of His word. Nite

The verdicts Ron got for his charges are not less then what other people get in Putnam County, if you go and read through court docs. I doubt all of them are informants. Believe me, Ron got know breaks on any of his court cases, he received the standard punishment for Putnam county FL.

LE is the Key. Not Misty. Come on LE, do your jobs, press in. Suspects should be narrowed down and out by now.

mc2heart, I feel for ya Darlin. Some are going across the net attacking others instead of keeping it about the cases. Hang in there, good overcomes. Love this blog, most all the posters remain calm and polite, thanks.

We are behind you, Cobra, all the way. I am praying for you, regularly. I hope you come out of this with everything you lost restored. Don’t get bitter, because bitterness will eat you up, and it will bring you to total ruin. It will influence everything in your life, without you even realizing it.

Everyone say a special prayer this week for Haleigh’s tips to be followed and for her to come home this week. Pray hard !

paw,

Ms.P., I’m not upset persay.

But, what I am upset about is the fact that when someone tries to help find Haleigh, they get attacked. When someone speaks of 1 side or the other, they get attacked by the opposing side. If someone doesn’t approve of a theory or a possibility, they get attacked. That’s what upsets me.

Like everyone else, I’m frustrated too. And I know we have to watch for people who aren’t here for the right reasons. Sometimes I wonder if we are too cautious though. Kinda like the whole Roy Kronk ordeal. When you see a hero get ripped apart, you tend not to do what’s best, and then you tend to turn your cheek the other way because you don’t want to be ripped apart like that. I think that’s also what’s going on in this case. People won’t talk and they won’t help and they won’t be apart of it at all due to fear of being ripped apart.

hello paw,

i hear you. i notice similiar comments are also being said by others today.

well i have to say good night/morning, i hope tomorrow brings good news. ms.p

PAW69 said, in December 18th, 2009 at 1:54 am
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I agree totally with you Paw69. I am for ANYONE that helps in this case and can find this baby girl. God Bless Her.

GOOD MORNING,

I HAD APOLOGIZED YESTERDAY,AND I AM AGAIN 2DAY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE.HOWEVER I PRAY HALEIGH COMES HOME SOON.

I agree with some other posters that it would be great if Jan could authenticate LawShink’s claim that she has a team of investigators working on the HaLeigh case.

LawShrink has offered the credentials of these individuals to posters who send in their personal information, but that is obviously problematic. If Jan authenticates this “team”, it would remove the cloud of suspicion that surrounds these extraordinary claims.

I welcome anyone that spends their time and energy on this case trying to the the truth. What I don’t welcome is anyone making false claims that further muddies the water or misleads people.

Hi,Spydee0025 (9:06 a.m.):

I have not read anything about the parents asking for FBI assistance. Only the grandparents:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/12/13/haleighs_famiy_wants_fbi_to_take_over_search.html
CFNews13 Orlando, Fl
12-14-09

Truth Be Told Deec 17 2009 1:25 PM

Well, Truth I do KNOW that people may lie about what they already know but I;m wondering if those who DO lie, especially in a DP case (if it ever comes to one) That what they are doing is JURY TAMPERING and may get the crimminal they are trying to stack the deck againsts OFF! Do you think that that qwill DISWAy these people from lying? If it ever came out later, they’ve done the CHILD, the JudiciaL System (Whom they would have to then face), and thier COUNTRY a diservice. Please re-post this anywhere you think that someone may be trying to jury tamper. Save themselves and the rest of us someheart ache…but then again go ahead, BE the BIG SHOT, tamper with the case, get the guilty party freed due to your own corruption and dishonesty. It’s only a child’s life in the balance!

Please also take note of this morning;s news. The FBI linguist (yes, there really was one) who passed “Windchime” those FBI classified documents has been not only arrested, but charged with a 2 yr sentence, loss of job with FBI, and I’m sure more.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/FBI-linguist-admits-to-passing-secrets-to-blogger-8666411-79570872.html

“An FBI contract linguist from Silver Spring has pleaded guilty to leaking classified documents to a blogger who then published them, federal prosecutors said Thursday.

Shamai Kedem Leibowitz will likely be sentenced to nearly two years in prison after admitting to abusing his top secret clearance by giving the classified documents to the blogger whom authorities would not name. ”

I’m off to write about this and another WHOLE article on why JURY TAMPERING IS STUPID!!!!

Fed up- are the private dumpsters dumped at the same land fill as residential business garbage is dumped? Do you know?

iowamom:
I had similar thoughts about Sapp. And now that we know that Ron called Tommy it’s even more interesting to consider. I’ve heard two versions of what Ron supposedly said to Tommy: (1) Is Misty here? (or do you know where she is?) and (2) Go over to my MH and check on her.

Either way, if Sapp was there he might have heard about this and maybe then or later gone over to the MH. IF what Tommy recently said is true, that he went over and Misty was not there, then Sapp could have waited until everyone was asleep and gone over then.

Unfortunately, LE is not releasing enough information about what they’ve done (for example interrogating Sapp or taking the dogs to the house he was working on?), who they’ve interviewed and what they said, etc. for us to be able to pursue this. I can only hope that LE really HAS pursued it.

Hollys Gmom:

I am lost, what five documents are you referring to? I must of missed something?

HollysGmom: Whatever you “threw out” here, I didn’t catch! 🙂 Could you explain what docs etc you are talking about please? Thank you.

Speaking of Trolls did anyone else hear about Derrick on craigs list offering to help needy families at Christmas? He chose the most needy families and told them not to ask anyone else for help and then when they came to collect the gifts he said they were lazy and got what they deserved, NOTHING. This person is beyond evil, and sorry to say he is not the only one out there. THAT IS WHAT A TROLL IS,JUST MEAN AND EVIL.IMHO

JackWells said,
in December 18th, 2009 at 9:08 am edit

I agree with some other posters that it would be great if Jan could authenticate LawShink’s claim that she has a team of investigators working on the HaLeigh case.

LawShrink has offered the credentials of these individuals to posters who send in their personal information, but that is obviously problematic. If Jan authenticates this “team”, it would remove the cloud of suspicion that surrounds these extraordinary claims.
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OK if it will help clear this up perhaps you could send me the credentials to prove you are on the up and up LawShrink and no one would have to wonder anymore whether you are legit or not here.

If you can email me at jannyo@gmail.com and send something that can verify who you are I would be happy to pass the information along to everyone else here.

Thanks,

Jan Barrett

Thanks hagnon

The D Sapp storie never had wheels , though i heard he is in jail now for being a demon that he is and i hope he never gets out.

I just wanted to remind everyone that sometimes I might take awhile to answer. I am only online sporatically. My work schedule changes weekly and I use the internet when I have a chance at home (I’m dukin it out with 4 18-21 yr old for my turn LOL) Also Jan & SImon have allowed me a fantastic opportunity to help raise awareness for these kids by writing my own articles and reviews that contain info about this case or others to keep these names out there. I am currently working on an article for Hasanni & Marc Anthony Bookal. I am comparing the two cases, if for no other reason than I get to mention Hassani 1 more time. I really am also going to write an article about what exactly constitutes Jury Tampering and How to avoid it and WHY.
Thanks to all who even care enough to post, regardless of your opinion, one way or another.
Peace
Lesa

Hello Family,

I am trying to get caught up in between sneezes.. I don’t want to harp on this subject, but I just read Jan’s post, I won’t go back and look for it but I thought LawShrink said or implied that Jan/Simon had/could prove they(LS) was on the level?

tobias said,in December 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am “I do not believe LE is incompetent, I believe they do not have enough hard evidence to arrest or convict the person they feel did this. Remember we all have constitutional rights and LE has to follow all the rules or this person could get away with this. Double jeprody, false arrest, harrasment and many other things could come down on them. Their hands are tied even if they know who did it if they lack evidence.”

Tobias, I agree with you 100%.
The thing is though, and I am touching on and adding to what I posted earlier yesterday, the responsible person(s) in this case have now dishonored the trust of everyone that they know by committing a sacrilegious act. Alliances of that nature do not last. They can’t when it is all about trust, respect, honor and integrity. Basic friendships alone depend on those ingredients and when a friendship has been compromised by a breech and insult of those basic fundamental ingredients then it changes everything.

tobias and hangnon – Just because someone thinks something is true (like Sapp staying on Tommy’s sofa) does not mean they are a troll.

Not everyone reads every single thing. And even if they did it’s sometimes hard to tell – for example – whether the info that he did stay there or the info that he did not stay there is true.

I can understand why everyone is paranoid about trolls but for the sake of people – like me – who may simply be mistaken about something, could you please just say, “Hey, that was a rumor but we found out from xyz that it wasn’t true.” That’s a whole lot more helpful and informative than calling someone a troll for posting something that may be incorrect. IMO

M2C,

Lesa is someone you know here

M2C,

I guess it’s ok.. to say.. Lesa is HollyG

Hollys Gmom said, in December 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Oh, yea! Does it sound to anyone else, like LE knows Very valuable info that somehow was “accidentally released” by a retired FBI informant through a blogger (who was questionable)? Like those 5 documents that were passed, were authentic? G, I hope not!

I COULD just be because ANY documents were passed BUT… why would this FBI linguist risk so much if THEY didn’t believe or know it to be true? Just throwing it out there. SOund off!

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Hollys Gmom I am curious to know what your saying here?????

JB – Thank you for the news! I really liked the part of the article on wftv.com that said:

“Casey appeared to cry Friday as the defense tried to argue for family jail visits without cameras and for a murder case without the death penalty to get what they called more “open-minded” jurors. But, when it was about Caylee, when prosecutors surprised everyone with their theory of how Casey would have had to have somehow restrained the 3-year-old to stop her from pulling three pieces of duct tape from her nose and mouth so she could breathe, Casey’s cold, steely expression changed only after words from defense attorney Jose Baez. Even then, no tears were visible.

“Either she needs to hone her acting skills or she needs to just be herself,” Sheaffer said.
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She can’t even FAKE grief for Caylee!

Thank you, cent. That clears up a few things.
Usually Jan does not like someone to post using two different screen names unless she gives approval which I assume she did.
Thanks again, cent!

MsP. I will stay strapped in the bed. Once again, you are a hoot.. and I respect your thoughts on that matter. Thank You for the blessing!!!

M2C, you are more than welcomed.

And IowaMom is NOT reffering to that Answer person. That needs to be left in the past. imo

Tuff Stuff, my apologies I missed your question’s to my post. No, I am not from the Laura Foundation, I just made the initial contact and then passed the information on to Crystal, Marie and Teresa.

Marie herself said she was not involved in the request to FBI with Teresa Neves. Unless that came after I talked to her the last time. I know Teresa and her family are requesting FBI take over. I should have been clearer in my post.

I’m not exactly sure why my Real name is showing up today…doesn’t bother me though. In the last few weeks I have been authoring a series of articles based upon the movie Black Snake Maon: By Craig Brewer. It details the movie and how it pertains to survivors of chronic childhood abuse and PTSD or Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. As a living survivor of what some of these kids are going through I decided that now is the time to share my voice and help Simon and Jan in thier effort to keep these kids names out there. I plan to publish a missing or endangered childs name in every article (I’ve only submitted one where-in I did not do thins, but it was in relation to the other articles I am writing)
I personally find MANY similarities of this movie and what is reported to be “Misty’s” party lifestyle that she has drawn such a bad rap for. I UNDERSTAND these types of girls, I was one. I’m hoping an inside look at what these people are dealing with plus what might be behind some of thier actions to be very valueable information. Especially when it goes a long way to help people understand Misty and girls across the globe like her who are getting trashed for their behavior(s)really aren’t bad people. They are people who need to address these issues in thier life and make proper changes (whatever those changes might be). I also have wondered if there wasn’t a person who contrived Haleigh’s disappearance in order to throw a spotlight onto Misty & Ronald AND make the connection to this movie or people’s perceptions of the characters. Hey anything’s possible at this point. Read the articles, I give my reasons.

Most of the in person video s are on u tube, news broad casts are also on u tube and alot of other sites have links to other news articles. Many of the hardcore researchers do keep records of all the facts and usually will post them if someone asks them to. I have asked several times for someone to point me in the direction of a fact and they have helped.
I have a problem when people come on and say they know some one who saw something or knows something without having proof. That is all hearsay and the person making the statement could be anyone. imho

Tobias I agree with you there also.
Touchy subject.
Simply put, facts are what is required to solve any case no matter what case it is. At the same time, information or lack thereof causes people to develop beliefs, ideas, theories etc…over time. Then people are left to juggle with the what if it’s right, what if it’s wrong questions. That to me is natural rationalization. Some folks like being right so even if they are wrong they stand on the thinking that they are right. If the facts in the case fall in line with what a person might believe then it is safe to say that they might “possibly” be right but too being stuck on being right is neither helpful or reliable because facts yet unknown could still prove them to be wrong. None of us are all knowing.
Even if we may have been right about some things at any point, none of us are God.
So I guess I too am saying go with what you know based on the facts that are discovered and keep your eye on the ball at all times no matter what your thoughts are on this or any case.
Great post Tobias.

I wanted to post this link because I read Lesa’s Article on Light The Way Home. She was the only one to comment and I felt bad about that.
I know it’s not quite the same idea.
Lesa, I hope it’s okay with you, for perhaps using this as an alternative for those that can’t string the lights. I just wanted to add something to the thought. I myself have been to this site many times and have received some comfort.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?l=eng

Lesa Conway,
I was curious about what you were saying about that movie so I looked it up here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462200/

It seems that the religious man took the young wild and seemingly out of control woman, I am guessing, to force her into some form of life changing submission? I do not understand where your comparison is being drawn to the parable here?

The cadavar dog hit on the dumpster is the only true evidence we have of what happened to Haleigh. No other acts of violence occured in that area to think it was a body other than Haliegh place in the trash dump, then moved. Unfortunately once a landfill is filled in with weeks and months of trash, it is impossible to ever find a body there. I have said from the start that evidence points to Haleigh being murdered (I am sorry if that is offensive to some, but it is the only evidence we have right now). I do not believe it was a nonstranger abduction….there is simply no proof of that….and if anyone can provide any that will stand up in court, let me know.

Lawshrink,

Can you come here a make a great post for these people please?

m2c- I DID NOT call anybody a TROLL. If you are going to mod the board, then please do so WITHOUT putting words in my mouth that I did not say. Thank you.

M2C – I don’t think anyone bought Casey’s tears….I think Bozo leaned over and said “okay, I’m about to poke you in the a$$ with a straight pen….bring on the tears and show some pain”…..unfortunately, she’s been “poked” so many times in that general area that she doesn’t feel a thing (and he probably lost his straight pin! LOL 😆

Hollys Gmom said, in December 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Oh, yea! Does it sound to anyone else, like LE knows Very valuable info that somehow was “accidentally released” by a retired FBI informant through a blogger (who was questionable)? Like those 5 documents that were passed, were authentic? G, I hope not!

I COULD just be because ANY documents were passed BUT… why would this FBI linguist risk so much if THEY didn’t believe or know it to be true? Just throwing it out there. SOund off!

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Are you speaking of this?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/FBI-linguist-admits-to-passing-secrets-to-blogger-8666411-79570872.html

Hangon, I know for a fact Donald Sapp was staying with them while he renovated the trailer. Misty herself told me, I still have the email. And just down the road, was an expression. I should have said a few miles away I guess. If anyone would like to see the copy of the email conversation I had with Misty about Donald Sapp, I have it. And, I don’t think I said there was any relation. I wish the media or LE would put some information out there for everyone, I wish the Sunshine Law was currently in affect for this case, we would have it solved in a few minutes.

ms.peridot19 said, in December 18th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
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I did not say not to ask questions. I said this.
That maybe some of us have facts that cant be posted on this blog.

Iowa- Did you track the ip of that email to verify that it did come from Misty?

anne, yes i read that, and of course i would love to know what you mean. i hope it is something that will help haleigh. thank you for answering. have a grt day, ms.p.

Hangon, yes and then I spoke with her about another concern about Sapp on the phone. This was in March. She did say LE had talked to Sapp but that he was trying to avoid talking to anyone. She is also the one who told me he was staying with Tommy. And that he was remolding the trailer that him and Billy live in currently. Well right now he is in jail, where he belongs. I have spent most of my afternoon so far defending my comments. What is happening here?

Vaquera I will post the email here. Her and I exchanged phone numbers because at that time I thought maybe it was someone pretending to be Misty, so I asked if I could speak to her. I will find the email, although I don’t know if it makes a difference or not, the email was sent through YOUTUBE mail. I will get it…

I can understand everyone’s concerns here in regards to credibility/trolls..etc. However, the personal attacks have gotten out of hand. Maybe it is just frustration we all feel, but to have to constantly defend your views/thoughts/words is crazy.

****HeAr…. HeAr****

If someone has some piece of information to add here and is then questioned about it why is it the person bringing forth said information feels they are being attacked and in need of defending what they have said? From everything I have ever been taught, arguments are not “fights” when delivered in the context of a debate.
Familiarity breeds contempt and lack of humility….allegedly.
???
bbl. Maybe.

Anyone know how I can copy the emails here?
The one I just posted is just a copy and paste doesn’t show any of the detailed IP info or even that it was sent through youtube. If anyone knows please advise… Thanks. Kim

m2c, I agree with you and thank you. I hope LE or the media, someone -will release something soon. If anyone is interested in helping me search, I am looking for information on Marty Sheffield’s mother, if she is still living, where does she live? Has anything been in the media or on blogs about her? I think her name is Gloria. Thank you for the other info AnneinTenn!

Following up on Hangon’s post. I have always read Art Harris’ website for stories on the case. Not once did I ever get the impression Crystal and her family were saints. If that is what he was paid for he did a poor job. How does a saint have a crackpipe on their property when LE is searching? Art reported that. I believe Art is looking for what happened. Not allowing unfounded rumors start there. The only thing he has ever said to anyone is that the Sheffield clan has passed polys and are not considered POI’s. Please show me where he has made them out to be saints.

If questioning someone’s posts is calling them a troll I guess I am guilty as well. Just because I question someone’s posts it means I would like to know more info or whatever. Hangnon has never called anyone a troll but I can get on here and say I talked with so and so and if someone’s questions that, well I wouldn’t blame them. I think we’re having a great discussion here.

hi guys,

glad to see so many posting.i too use to read over at art harris but since the kim picazio barr documents got out i lost all respect for his site.

***OFF TOPIC***

Anne @3:40

I am married to one… at least he likes to think he behaves like one. I made a very humorous remark about my son(his stepson), which Saint Robert didn’t fully appreciate. Later that night I sent him a text.. GoodNight Saint Robert. His holiness sent a reply… May You Be Blessed, My Child!!!

Ahhh, yes the Male Species

Just to add to this ***off topic***
My husband ask me why God made me so beautiful and so stupid. I told him God made me beautiful
so he would be attracted to me and he made me
stupid so I would be attracted to him. lol

LMAO treece. Ain’t that the truth.LOL

Hey, I’ve been reading here for a LONGGGGG time. This blog is MUCH better than it used to be. There used to be someone that went by the name of a green cylinder shaped vegetable (and if you’ve blogged here a long time you will know who I mean) that told everyone what to think and if they didn’t agree they got run off. I was always too afraid to post anything. I’m sure this person meant well but talk about a power trip. It was too intimidating for me!

treece– that is too funny. Thank you for the laugh. That is priceless.

Hollys Gmom said,
in December 18th, 2009 at 10:10 am

Hi, as has been witnessed throughout this case, these bloggers I was referring to care only about themselves and what they think. They think Ronald is guilty and that is that and yes, I do believe some would lie to sit on a jury to make sure whomever they felt was guilty, was found as such, even if it turned out to be the person was indeed not guilty at all. Look at it, if they are willing to use other bloggers children,grandchildren and any lies they can make up to hurt a blogger, if they are willing to physically and virtually stalk another blogger, just because the bloggers they are harassing and stalking had the nerve to stand up for truth, how far do you think they are willing to go beyond that? This case has shown the true hatred and evil within some…

I did not call anyone a troll, I just stated that we need to be careful who we believe on the blogs because Trolls are everywhere.
They put a slant on the facts and they get everyone to believe rumors. Heck I could state that I talk to everyone involved but that would be a lie but if I said I did some may believe it. Be careful what you take as fact. imho

Misty has had an attorney available to her since the beginning of the case and yet she always went in for questioning and LDT without her attorney.

We also need to remember that Jr was there, and can talk, and could talk in Feb. According to Misty they had slept during the day so I doubt Jr went to sleep early.

If anything happened to HaLeigh in the MH Jr, would know and tell. If Misty had people over that night, Jr would have seen, and told.

Even when Jr was saying yes to seeing who took Sissy, he said, Misty was sleeping.

Now we have a statement by TH saying that Cobra told him that LE knows that Misty was home sleeping and that HaLeigh was in the big bed.

I really think we need to look at the strong possibility that Misty was sleeping and has told all that she knows about what happened that night.

I think LE really needs to look past Misty and perhaps put PRESSURE on the last person to be at that MH per his own admission. The one who has gone down hill more then anybody else associated with the case. The one who had access to unlock the door earlier that day. The one that knew Misty was a heavy sleeper and that she was very tired that night. The one that was really pizzed at Ron due to what went on the week before.

Just my opinion, BUT if Tommy Croslin did not raise BIG RED FLAGS with LE, all I can say is they need to go back to criminal investigation 101.

Iowamom, may I ask, were you convinced that the voice on the phone was Misty?

I was able to have a few minutes to sign back on after all. (Steam cleaning carpets allows for a few minutes break here and there 🙂
*Warning*
Some may be offended by what I am about to say. My apologies in advance.

I just read TBT’s post and I must agree with what was said in regards to stalkers and such. I belong to a few unrelated groups and there are plenty of stalker types there off and on. We call them posers actually. It’s people who have no legit reason to be there actually other than to try to exploit and attempt to make a name for themselves. The thing about those types are that everything they say in the groups can be screen shot, saved and used as evidence of what the person is really all about later, if for any reason necessary. Not to forget mention the many witnesses who were insulted by their words, actions and behavior.
I have followed this case and other cases from the start and I will continue to follow them all until they are solved.
If by chance I happen to have run across you elsewhere and I know what you are all about and it happens to be, no good, then trust and believe that I will do my best to avoid you, but, if you are here to meddle and insert yourself in a manner that I know is not genuine then I will call you out if necessary. It will be to your shame and ultimate embarrassment, not mine.
Howa,
Go back to playing with your little crystals now.
Man.
Woman.
Whatever you call yourself…today…

Let it be known that I am not threatening anyone or anything. I am simply stating facts.
Peace

I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt when they are sharing info, but if the info is over the top, and just to far fetched, unlikely it is accurate. Now I am not saying that anybody is deliberately putting out false info, sometimes they are told things that they believe but is not true, so they share it across the net.

I am very analytical by nature, you know like the if it is to good to be true, then it probably is, mindset.

Way back when the story of Sapp was put out there as staying with one of the brothers, trampolines, etc, the one thing that really made it apparent that this was misinformation was the statement that Sapp was at the tent, was being helpful, then started being strange.

Now let’s be clear here. D Sapp is a RSO. There is a child missing. FBI, FDLE, LE from many counties, are all over the place. Do we really think an RSO would be at the tents?

Tuff Stuff, in your post at 7:33 are you talking about TBT’s post at 4:57 which quoted HollysGmom’s post at 10:10 am? If not could you please tell me where to find that post of TBT’s?

Sorry, I’m trying to keep up!

Anyway, I agree with HollysGmom. We’ve had a few “doozies” on here from time to time with very obvious agendas. Some have tried (often in a very nasty way) to cram the “Ron did it” scenario down our throats with all kinds of made-up rumors (posted as fact) including that he wasn’t at work the whole time etc. And others have had other scenarios and done the same thing.

As far as the “stalker” nasties who only troll around to cause trouble I guess we’ve had them too. Just gotta ignore them I guess.

Also,TuffStuff, I don’t know what “Howa” means. Is it someone’s screen name? TIA

AnneInTn, Cent, & Treece ROTFLMFAO!!!

TruthBeTold. Thank you for replying. I did know what YOU meant, but I did see it as an opportunity to try to make sure that it does NOT happen and why. Thank you. I really mean it. It has been something that has also been weighing on my mind very heavily, Most especially since it is now known that some are willing to go to such lengths…

Tobias: You are VERY correct. Unless someone is able to produce a verifiable document where in one of the parties INADVERTENTLY “blows” thier ALIBI or some other piece of evidence comes out…

HangNOn: I too see where you’re comming from. After I did the Somer Thompson list for predator profil againt Tommy’s recent actions and state of mind….it ain’t pretty. For those of you who haven’t tried it…do so. Somer only lived a few miles away…Maybe he’s got an accomplice in Jax? Anybody know if Tommy has friends in Jax? Verifiable? I’m wondering if SOmer might have been killed to make it look like what it did, possible serial killer, within range to be blamed for Haleigh, still hasn’t been caught, no new releases of info….

M2C..I think it was meant to be Wooossaa! Like in the Movie Anger Management. LOL That was how it felt.

OJ’s Glove posted on my latest article…:snickers:

Also I admitted that the person that is claiming to be LawShrink could be a hoax, BUT if they were the person who I pinged thier IP, then they MIGHT be legit. Major Corp. If it’s a fake, they’re doing it on company time & computers or hacking WiFi. If proven false then maybe thier company would have a problem with what they’re doing. I think it could be a person with some professional contacts, father to a celebrity, computer programer/software designer….Now if they are claiming to be female? Possibly daughter or friend using his computer. I don’t know for sure.

I know that LawShrink claims to be old….”My friends and I have lived long lives, Haleigh has not.”

I don’t care if it’s a nursing home full of retired FBI and LE…If they’re really doing what they say I support them.

If it’s fake, I’ll be disappointed, but fairly warned.

I’ve read posts here and other site where LS is defending themselves. It ides down….till they post again.

Extremely good point….probably told them Haleigh went over earlier in the day and that’s why K-9 was tracking her there? or Tommy’s alibi Lindsey said he was home with her all night? (We now know about him going to MH but map was before, correct?)

For those following my series I will be posting chapters 4 & 5 tonight! It should be up by morning.

I am trying to learn google earth.

Holly’s Gmom, where at, I would like to check it out. TIA

hangnon:
Thank you for that in-depth answer. It helps me out more than just a map.

TruthBeTold: I don’t have a link yet for the one I am typing up now but I can link you to the original article (It’s a series because I talk so much LOL) The one I am posting now is part V but I’ll give you a link to the first.

http://www.bloggernews.net/123096

Apparently it’s becomming very popular with part 1 being read over 600 times since I posted it on November 25 th.

Ok, It’s “in the air” Should be on tomorrows front page.

Jan does a great job of modding the comments on BNN. She deletes those posts she deems necessary to delete without tying our hands on what we can and can not say.

It is my understanding as long as posts are not made in a disrespectful and attacking format, then we are welcome to post on BNN.

I do not understand why a fellow commenter finds it necessary to continuously attempt to moderate comments.

I for one am glad for information shared here. I do not see where there would be a problem for a commenter to share something even though it may be a bit off topic. This is a BNN board and she writes BNN articles.

I do not get to the home page all of the time and I am grateful that Gmom shared information here, where I can get to fairly often, so that I can go and read another section of BNN should I choose to do so.

Had she not posted it here, I would probably not have known about it. So while she may be promoting her articles, she is also promoting BNN, which I would think Jan and Simon would consider a good thing.

Oh, and it’s easy to get to the Home page. Scroll up to the top of this page, and click on the first orange box on the left which reads “Home.”

Paw- I do not think anybody has access to IP numbers of BNN commenters except Jan and Simon.

Gmom probably has the IP number from an email exchange. Not hard to do, does not give you the name of the person, just the area their connection is from.

So if somebody claims to be in the Putnam county area and you ping their IP and it comes back Boston, you would know that most likely the person is not being honest.

I believe only admins have access to IP addys of commenters and/or posters on BNN.

Either way, the trust is hendered and information was put out. If anything, it should have been done through email first and then Jan and/or Simon give us the information of whether the person in question is indeed legit or not.

No matter how someone has gotten info or an IP, I do not believe that bloggers should post that kind of info here (see HGm post at 10:15 pm).

Nothing is proven. It’s still gossip and rumor about a blogger here. Jan said she’d look into it and she’s the only one who should and the only one who should post any findings about it here (if she wants to).

I agree, PAW. Things are a bit out of control here right now.

m2c- She posted that the IP went to a major corporation. She did not disclose the name of that corporation and I would presume that if it is a major corporation that there are hundreds of employees which could be LS.

I do not see where she disclosed anything that would ID the person or where the IP came from.

Am I missing something?

I am more concerned about finding HaLeigh. If LS can help do that then bless him/her. If it is somebody who is just game playing, all I can say is KARMA will bite him/her in the butt just as it has done to many others in this case.

hangnon: Interesting. I’m more concerned about finding Haleigh, too, but you don’t seem to mind all the distracting and often negative BS on this blog. I do.

Well, each to his/her own.

Let me clear something up here …

Being a writer here for BNN does not in any way make you an admin on here. A writer for us is considered a contributor or an author but they are not administers and they have no admin access. Also there are no rules set against one trying to promote their own articles anywhere on here. If you aren’t interested in reading them just don’t go to them.

We are trying to be fair to everyone here. We are NOT here to find out personal information on anyone for any personal reasons. I do trace IP’s occasionally on here because of troublemakers that come here using alisas names but I do not do it for any other reasons. Also it never gives me personal information such as their name, address and phone numbers. It only gives me the location of their IP and even then on some occasions it gives the general location of an IP, not always exactly where they are. So actually someone tracing your IP doesn’t always tell someone where you are exactly and it certainly doesn’t give out any personal information that could be harmful to you. It only helps me figure out if someone is lying to me about being someone they aren’t.

I know it might sound complicated but unless someone here as some high powered equipment from microsoft that I don’t know about, you are all pretty safe posting here, I should hope LOL

Have a great day everyone!

Jan Barrett

PAW – As Jan said we are safe posting here (as long as we do not give other people our email addresses). Jan and Simon can be trusted with that info.

That’s one of the reasons Jan and Simon established the Forum section so we can contact each other personally without showing our email addys. I’d recommend that to everyone. Especially now that you know that a fellow blogger can try to track you if they feel like it.

Here is a link to some of the Amber Alert Success Stories for 2009. As you can see by reading them most are family abductions BUT there are a few that were not family and the children were brought home successfully.

It does keep my hope alive that HaLeigh will be found and returned home to her family.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2248

paw she got it from directly exchanging e-mails with someone involved in the “team” – it is stated above somewhere. ms. p.

that is one reason i was concerned about this ls. i thought they could find out who people are and i have questions about who lawshrink is. i did talk to someone after my post, who basically explained to me what jan just told all of us. it is pretty hard to find who someone is.

Also, Ms Peridot, Jan often writes articles about other missing children, but so far I don’t think she has advertised them here.

Since some people don’t check the BNN Home page for such things, I’ll try to post links to those articles in case those of you who are interested in missing children would like to read them. Here’s a recent one:

Marc Anthony Bookal – 4 Yr Old Missing
Article # 123276
Date: December 15, 2009

http://www.bloggernews.net/123276

m2c♥,

i really was concerned about ls. i know we see it differently.

i was worried about making my post to begin with. i do not want to be a part of censoring anyone. my concern started when she mentioned going up to children on the street and giving them info to bring home to their parents. now any one of us doing that would know ahead of time, that doing that would cause you most likely to have people being concerned with your behaviour. so why do it? especially if they (ls) have the means to do something more constructive. with their degree, they could approach the school district, or police department, or someone in the community to organize meetings or info to be passed out to help keep children safe in their community. not out on the street when children are walking home without adults.

and then the continued comments furthered my concern. if she does or did do the above actions, i think that is a concern. if she just made it up, why? i came to the conclusion that ls is like no other blogger here. many are doing their own searches or even asking others for help. but, they don’t make things up or distort the facts. why do that? i thought lawshrink is making fun of people on this blog and the blog itself. and maybe people should be careful about directly e-mailing with them without some conformation of who they are.

during a previous post, someone mentioned that ls said or implied that they were in contact with jan and simon about who they are and what they are trying to do. i remember that too. but, i never saw or heard any conformation of this. i really just have so many questions about ls.

i have expressed this a number of times now, and i promise this time to not mention it again. we all can decide for ourselves.

i don’t think hollys gmom was doing anything other than trying to help haleigh by trying to figure out who she (h.gmom) was e-mailing with on ls’s team. i believe she was just trying to prove my concerns were and are wrong. so lawshrink would still feel welcomed to blog here. hollys gmom and others, i really hope you are right and i am wrong! ms.p.

I am not sure if any of you are following the Jean Paul case but here is a video and article of another one of our children taken by a non-custodial parent. I know this is not HaLeigh or Caylee but it is about a missing child.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVjhTCLKlhU

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iB8j1aBch7PiOCvuFrvguwTkQwhg

hangnon said,in December 18th, 2009 at 10:26 am

Fed up- are the private dumpsters dumped at the same land fill as residential business garbage is dumped? Do you know?

Yes. I was told that the landfil is about 40 miles awy from the actual MH. We also know the landfil where Angel Somer, was left in was 48 miles away from her abduction site and across the border in GA.

They are dunped at the same place. My understanding is that the county’s contract for Haleighs district is that the residential garbage is picked up on a 4 day turn around. The local business rent out dumpsters if they wish, and individually set up a schedule for pick up service from the waste management company. I was advised that there are a couple different waste management companys in the county, however one is responsible for a certain area around the Cummings MH.

I was very frustrated to finfd out this information out. If it is correct, I am of the opinion, that Haleigh could have been dumped there, and missed. Whether it was in that landfil by a personal “drop off” or that she may have been pisposed in a dumpster and brought there. I would agree that it wouldnt be plausible to check every landfil in that entire area, howev on account of the dogs hitting on one dumpster in particular and the fact that LE allegedly did not chek the designated one properly, I worry that all the clyues and evidence to break the case wide open, have benn missed. I am sad to say that I also feel that too much time has passed, to believe Haleigh is still alive. I am still holsding out hope for resolve in either case.

I wanted to commend you for writing the post I have quoted below. I have read your posts and feel all your contributions are well thought out, and productive. You have pointed out many of the same issues I have been witness too.
Hats off…Bravo

hangnon said,in December 19th, 2009 at 8:51 am

Jan does a great job of modding the comments on BNN. She deletes those posts she deems necessary to delete without tying our hands on what we can and can not say.

It is my understanding as long as posts are not made in a disrespectful and attacking format, then we are welcome to post on BNN.

I do not understand why a fellow commenter finds it necessary to continuously attempt to moderate comments.

I for one am glad for information shared here. I do not see where there would be a problem for a commenter to share something even though it may be a bit off topic. This is a BNN board and she writes BNN articles.

I do not get to the home page all of the time and I am grateful that Gmom shared information here, where I can get to fairly often, so that I can go and read another section of BNN should I choose to do so.

Had she not posted it here, I would probably not have known about it. So while she may be promoting her articles, she is also promoting BNN, which I would think Jan and Simon would consider a good thing.

OMG! I knew that post would bite me. I didn’t post any of their personal information. Just some general information about who I thought they were due to the email address that they gave me to send them an email. Heck I thought it was common practice to ping emails and IPs. LOL I’ve been knowing about it for a decade now. I said in my later post I DON’T KNOW who they are but IF they are who I think they MIGHT be, they COULD be legit. IMO ONLY. That is all.

As far as posting about my article in the Haleigh thread is because my articles in that series mention Haleigh’s name EACH ISSUE as well as a link to her AMber ALert Info. Is that a good enough reason to think I could post about it in this thread? Several of the bloggers here have given really posistive reposnses to them .
You, M2C, may think “it’s all about me”. God forbid anyone do anything they are proud of and want to share with a group they have been talking to for a year now.I’ve been waiting with baited breath for you to throw that at me! LOL! I’ve had my REAL NAME posted here (agina I do not mind) AS I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE! How many are willing to stand up to that CHALLENGE!?! HUH?!
I’m seriously considering retreating from these comments sections. I’m tired of M2C blasting me all of the time. Everytime I turn around. I had sent her a very personal and heartfelt email around the Picasio documents release time, tring to “mend fences” but why bother? I’ll just go write some more articles.

Jan & Simon, I’m sorry if I caused a tizzy. I didn’t mean harm, was trying to help clear something up. I just know how to do some rapid, dogpile searches. Remember NetDetective? I happened to be one of the first ones to buy it, I guess. I learned a heck of a lot but will use my knowledge for private purposes only from now on.

Lesa

Fed Up- I believe with all that I am that HaLeigh is alive BUT I also believe that every possibility needs to be checked out, if for no other reason then to help point us in the right direction by eliminating areas where she is not.

I believe that the landfill should have been thoroughly searched and if it was not then that needs to be done. Good SAR dogs can find remains even if buried under a lot of garbage, dirt, water, etc

You know perhaps this would be an area that the Laura group would/could help in searching since it was not done already.

I come here every single day and night to read the comments about HaLeigh and have since the beginning. I hardly ever post; maybe have posted twice in all this time. The reason is, and this is not to insult ANYONE who posts here, rather a general statement, that it seems that when a “new” poster posts, then they are either ignored, bashed, or called a troll. So I just stick to reading. There are tons of crime forums on the internet, but BNN is the only one I come to to get the latest news on HaLeigh. Jan and Simon (TJ and others) are awesome about keeping this case alive and going for those of us who genuinely want answers about what happened to this little girl.
I bet there are days Jan and Simon feel like pulling their hair out, reading some of the comments here. We’re all adults, right? All have the same common bond of wanting to keep up with this case. Yet, there are days when some of the posts remind me of being back in high school with the he said, she said, insults, bullying..too many egos at times. I’m sure Jan feels like she has to “babysit” a bunch of grownups, constantly having to step in and try to make peace. There have been times when I really thought Jan and Simon would get so tired of it, they’d pull the plug, and then how would we know ANYTHING about HaLeigh? And that chatline on the radio show is brutal at times. People are bashing other posters, bashing the guests (who they know are reading what they’re writing)and it’s just RUDE.
None of us know anymore than anyone else about this case. All we know is what we read. When it comes down to even accusing some posters of being the person who abducted HaLeigh, then you know the frustration of this whole case is getting way too much for everybody.
As for people knowing another’s IP address, anyone who knows a lot about computers can find out that information, but it’s not easy. An IP address does not tell your name and address…it’s just a bunch of numbers that indicate the general area that you live in.
As for Lawshrink, I belong to several crime forums and have since the beginning of the Caylee Anthony case. At one time, one of the largest of these sites had a member by the name of Lawshrink, who WAS from Florida, who helped us get information on the Caylee case, and who was actually a treasure trove of information. Don’t know if this one here is the same one, but what are the chances of there being two with the same username from the same area? I can see being upset if this person was asking for donations, but I’ve not seen that happen. Maybe just someone who wants to do all they can to help find HaLeigh?
We are all so lucky to have Jan and Simon, TJ and others, to keep us updated on this case, and I would hate to see this blog go downhill. They work very hard for US and do not profit in any way, so the least we could do is respect them when we post on THEIR blog?
Cyberspace is certainly big enough for all of us, so please, can we all just get along? Seems like ANY site you go to, there are always those who think they are the “experts” and know more than anyone else, but we are all different, all have different theories, all have different personalities. This is not intended to attack anyone in particular; just a general overview of this thread. It would be great if we could leave our egos at the door and get on with helping each other put the pieces together without the animosity. Thanks Jan and Simon and ALL who contribute about HaLeigh Cummings.

FairAndBalanced!
Bravo! Applause! And much appreciation!

I guess there is something about me that when I say any one of the things you just posted I get jumped on. I truly hope that no one jumps on you and that we can ALL try to “start again” with respect for each other and each other’s comments.

After all we do have one very important basic quality in common – and that is our love and concern for Haleigh! I hope we can extend just a portion of that good quality to each other – for her sake if for no other.

And HollysGmom: Thank you for the info on the location of the DVRs. I thought someone had actually seen them but wasn’t sure when they’d seen them or where I read it. So thank you for that info.

those in the know? how long did it take misty’s mom to come over that night after misty called her to say haleigh was missing and the door is open. the same question about timmy. since she called them both before calling the police. thanks in advance

I think that she could DEFENATELY change a dvd herself, even on top of the TV PROVIDED that there was a “step” nearby. JMO due to my experience actually raising a few. By 4 they know it. The step could be just about anything. Most know how “ingenius” little ones can be to get what they need done. So many stories of “We found him on top of the frindge diggin in the cookie jar” LOL NOT ONE OF MY KIDS but told to me by MANY. So first of course was there a chair or “step” nearby the player? We can go look at the walk-through video and see. It’s all there. Do I need to link it?

bonanza, you have every right to have your doubts. Really, no one knows who anyone really is in cyberspace. They can be anyone they want to be, and we would never know the difference.
IF this person turns out to be someone who was seeking attention rather than really doing what they said they were doing to help, then I don’t blame you or anyone else for your opinion.
This person will either re-surface and produce evidence of what they claimed, or we will never hear from them again. Then we will know for sure, but I don’t blame you for your opinion in any way.

I had to post this. This is WHERE we got the idea that Misty wasn’t home that night. The ACTUAL NEWS REPORT
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18737503/index.html

Radio Calls Released from Night Haleigh Disappeared02/18/09 6 p.m. Report

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?aid=149675&storyid=131653#/Radio%20Calls%20Released%20from%20Night%20Haleigh%20Disappeared/49239102001

http://www.fox30jax.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=30118@video.fox30online.com&navCatId=5

Rumors Person Was Inside Home Are False: Video

Cummings Family Speaks.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18806491/index.html

Dogs used in search for Haleigh.

Family members return to Haleigh’s home. GGMA Sykes. In case any of us forgot these arereal people. She makes me sad.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18865649/index.html

And Tada!!! There it is. First video ever inside the home (except for GGMA Sykes visit to clean up)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=sect_amberalerts&maven_referralObject=1054783688#/Inside%20Haleigh%27s%20House/49251344001

Today Show crew is given a tour by Ronald Cummings.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29593696#29593696

What About Husband-Wife Priveleges In Court?

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=FLORIDALAWEXPLAIN_031020090109&cat=Local&title=Can%20Spouses%20Testify%20Against%20Each%20Other?

Investegators focus on Misty’s Timeline

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1060907771

The Search For Haleigh Looks at Misty.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=sect_amberalerts&maven_referralObject=1060600782

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=sect_amberalerts&maven_referralObject=1061621406

Sheffield’s Attorney gives First Local Interview.

Charity Organizers Say Accused Sexual Criminal Offers Don…3/17/2009 5pm Report

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1063993751#/Charity%20Organizers%20Say%20Accused%20Sexual%20Criminal%20Offers%20Don…/49255701001

Cummings Family Welcomes InvestigaTION

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18961412/index.html

hALEIGH’S fATHER HIRES aTTORNEY TO fIGHT sUIT

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/

Cent I had thought so but didn’t dare suggest it without rock hard concrete proof. So thank you for verifying that Jan had verified him/her already.

HOLLYS GMOM

HELLO UR ARTICLES ARE GREAT,GLAD 2 C U IN UR CALLING.IN DA BNN FAMILY!!!!!!

M2C I APOLOGIZE BUT WHY MUST U CONTINUE TO OVER STEP BOUNDERIES?YES IT’S ALL ABOUT HALEIGH…..BUT U MY FRIEND ARE BOSSY,ALMOST TO THE POINT OF PISSIN PPL OFF TO LEAVE BNN.CHILL OUT U R WAY TOOOO OPIONATED.BE ABOUT HALEIGH AND LEAVE PPL ALONE SOMETIMES.U HAD NO RIGHT TO ADDRESS GMOM LIKE THAT.AS HAS BEEN SAID U R NOT A MOD.I IGNORE SOOO MANY OF UR POST THIS TIME U WENT WAY TOOOOOO FAR .

My goodness!!! Pinkey I am not against you at all BUT you keep getting on M2C for stating her opinion about what HGmom said. You get on her for questioning. I thought it is OK for all of us to state what we think. AT LEAST IT USE TO BE OK FOR US TO DISCUSS, QUESTION AND AGREE TO DISAGREE. Not jumping you just QUESTIONING why the change or double standard here? JMO Treece

I was going to avoid getting into this whole Mod thingy. But, just yesterday I emailed Jan and asked if I could alter my posting name to include my personal blog site. Now, will I be viewed as an opportunist, because it’s about my trials with Depression/Anxiety? Who knows, and frankly I don’t give a damn, ’cause I am not here for that sort of nonsense.

I thought that I was here at BNN to share my thoughts/feelings, and to lend support to my fellow bloggers in any capacity that was needed.

While I respect everyone here, even if I don’t always agree with them… I’m just not feeling the humanity here… anymore!!!

Cent, for as long as I can remember many bloggers have screen names that include their web sites or whatever. I don’t see what could be wrong with that now. There’s never been a problem as far as I know.

HollysGma- Yes, we’ve had some good talks. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we don’t but never had any problems until now.

I can’t help how I feel about your using a movie and Haleigh and her family to publicly “work thru” your personal problems. And then use this thread to get readers. I don’t appreciate that. That’s my opinion. So what?

And your chasing down someone’s IP alarmed more people than just me. I happen to be one who will speak up about it and take the beating I get for it. There are a lot of people who read here and never post – and what you did – or tried to do – is one reason that will continue to keep them away.

And to you and to cent, I will ask, “Who is truly trying to mod this forum if not take it over?” Ain’t me. I’m not the one screaming for personal attention to ME and MY life on Haleigh’s thread all the time. That’s the way it comes across to me.

I just want fairness and respect for all the bloggers here (including LS) and Haleigh and to keep the attention on her.

Also, Pinkey, 6:53 am was a long time ago. I had never seen anyone do that -even Jan – and it really took me aback.

I suppose you haven’t read all my comments since then. To sum up, I said, fine and since some people said they don’t read the BNN Home page to know about other articles, I offered to post links to the articles about missing children for those who are interested. Here’s another one Jan just posted.

It’s called “Adji Desir- Almost a Year Now and He Is Still Missing.”
December 19, 2009
Article # 123309
http://www.bloggernews.net/123309

Hello, Happy Saturday. and ty for all the links Holly G.

HangNon

U R RIGHT AND THAT ENCLUDES ME TOO I WILL JUST DO LIKE I NORMALLY DO,POST ON HALEIGH IF I DON’T LIKE ONES POST KEEP IT MOVIN.

Pinky @ 5:40 THANK YOU! 🙂

cent- Please do not let the voice of one chase you off. If what you have shared has helped one person than you have done a wonderful thing.

Thank You Hangon…. I will continue to hangon in here… all I have stated is the truth and that IS what matters. The I am Done, was about my ranting, and the subject.. is all:)

Hangon,

Yesterday, I mentioned that it was said/posted that Misty remembers Jr. climbing over her to get out of bed. I’m wondering IF that is a true, correct statement by Misty, does that lend credibility to the man in black-squeaky shoe accusation?

cent– It is my impression that Misty vaguely remembers Jr climbing over her and seeing him standing at the door. I can understand her not being sure about that if she was really sleeping. I remember be woken during the night and then in the morning, “think” I was woken but not sure, not a clear memory, not sure if it was real or if I was dreaming.

I do not believe the story about the man in black.

M2C,

Let’s all just move forward and continue with what we all have set out to do… Shall we? We all have hearts and sometimes they hurt!!

However, since I can not stop sneezing I will return a little later.. time for a trip to the drug store.

I hold no hard feelings… and I hope you don’t either… see ya in a bit.

Also, get rest, take vitamin C and feel better SOON!

hello cent, i appreciate your comment. thank you. i knew it was you! i went off to find that and other info and got very side tracked. thanks for the support!!!

Bonanza and Treece: I think the doubts are understandable, too. I’m just not ready to condemn quite yet. Not without proof. But then I run into the potential problem – what if LS comes back on and says, “Well, we tried but failed.” How would we know? I don’t have the answer for that.

But if it was all a hoax it would be a terrible terrible thing to have done to the bloggers here and to Haleigh’s family if they read LS’s latest posts. And hoax’s have been played on bloggers here by people claiming to be something they are not. On the Caylee thread long ago someone claimed to be a lawyer and everyone was thrilled to have a real lawyer to ask questions of. And the “lawyer” answered them. Turned out it was a former blogger who was one of the nastiest people to ever poison BNN and had left BNN. But then came back and did that. Just awful. How can people behave like that on forums for missing and murdered children? Must be a special hot spot in Hades for people like that.

Anyway, for now I’m putting the LS situation in my “maybe” file and hoping for the best.

Earlier today some words were posted by me, that were very harsh. They were a result of a misunderstanding regarding a post of M2C’s. We have since apologized to one another and are now moving onward. I just wanted to acknowledge this family squabble/makeup, so that all will remember… that rifts can be mended.

well after looking at the video of the mobile home again i understand it was not a falling off a chair issue. i cannot see the dvd player, but i think it is a built in one or maybe right on the chest. the chest is not high that i can see. which of course is good news. of course it could have been another type accident, but, unlikely as junior most likely would know about it. i thought if she did change the movie in the middle of the night that was a possibility while junior slept. thanks hollys gmom.

cent, i really hope you get better soon! the o.j. and c are great, maybe if you can take zinc that boosts the immunity.

i am so happy you and m2c are moving onward. it was a tough day here today, among many of us. didn’t feel to productive, but, then everyday can’t. i was about to post maybe holiday stress is upon us.

i am glad simon and jan decided to go ahead with the show tomorrow. they are very dedicated. well good night everyone.

Well, I had decided something this mornming. I, personally < made the decision to take that “energy” and transmute it to positive. I have been imploring people for months to help build our Haleigh database here. Some have, and I thank you for your help in this case & others. This morning I read that some were discussing some issues that I knew information about and could give a link. It took me a “minute” but I did finaly find the exact one. While I was searching I saw a perfect opportunity to send several important links that now will build the “backbone” of our Haleigh Timeline data base.: media section.

In posting (&watching many) I felt we needed to hear this info again. There’s an answer…somewhere….let’s stop with negativity and grow in a positive direction. I’m willing to try. Some of it will make you cry. It will definately remind you that there is a little 6 yr old girl out there missing.

I’m sorry about posting in Haleigh’s thread about my artles. I don’t see what it matters, my so called popularity, I don’t get paid any money for the hours of work I put in. It just gives Haleigh 1 more shot to be hear about. There was a very personally attacking post made there by M2C that some may have seen (cent, I suspoect) others did not as I wrote Jan about her opinion of it and she took it down. SO if you thought you saw something vile, & then it disappeared, it. I could have posted it here in it’s entirety but chose not to. I just don’t want other’s wondering what this is all about. It’s over. I’m moving on, I just know where some stand on certain issue and will take it into consideration in the future.

ALso, guys,….I’m a (young-41) internet “grannie”. I never considered myself extremely “savy” until today. What A LOT of people know about computers now, will scare you. Many, many people know how to get your information, if they are so inclined. Have you really looked at some of these other crime forums? You give someone 1 door, 1 opening and before you know it they know everything about you. Myspace, Facebook, Yahoo, Google Earth, Public Records….It’s not all that hard. Meta-seach browsers searching 15 different internet portals at one looking for a very refined web search tag. Children do this! If you are afraid of someone finding out who you are for destructive reasons, they probably can. Just know it! Be aware. I very much believe the Identity theft aticles I’ve read here, they are very true and acurate. Now before you go off thinking I’m some criminal, I’m not. I’m easily checked out as being the lowly front desk clerk @ Country Inns &Suites in fabulous (nowhere but a military base-2nd largest in the US per sq ft) Crestview FL. Beyond that you should need no help. Public records will show I have no criminal history (bounced a few checks as a young married with kids–ooops!). I’m just saying, not to scare you, but to warn you that it’s not all that hard.

I have only once ever posted personal information about another poster. It was years ago, not this forum. It was a young lady’s site who I thought had a particularily cute style and just wanted to leave a positive comment telling her that. (It was a gothic forum) Well along comes this guy screenname: JaredF*gHater. He flames my post terribly. Calls me out as a lesbian (I’m married to a man 15+ yrs?) says vile awful stuff. Well, I’m mad and much younger then and I take 2 hours and “play”. I return to post:
His real picture
His home address
Phone numbers home & cell
2 email addys (they were crucial)
Where he grauduated from and what yr
WHo some of his friends were
A poem he had published in a book.
And the best part… link to a page that contained pictures of him wearing a dress!
O course he freaked! Who wouldn’t. He posted right back that I must know him and I replied that no I didn’t I lived in FL while he lived in CA. I just wanted him (and now you guys) to know that you are NEVER ANNONYMOUS on the internet. You are leaving trails everywhere you, whether you know it or not. If this story scares you about me personally, I’m sorry. I have never done anything like that since other than to mention it to other that it can be done. I just want people to realize that yes, you can have your say here or anywhere on the net, and thank our veterans alive or deceased, for that but in doings so YOU are potentially putting yourself at risk.

ALso these are the particular traits I had thought would be valuable to this type of forum. My previous “home” actually worked at this stuff to uncover, disprove, or verify information. I missunderstood that this forum would not be doing so. Well, some are & thank you for your efforts, others just come to talk/post/debate. I guess that’s agood thing. There’s something for everyone.
I guess I’ll go post the links in the forum and get some real work done. Resist the urge to go “play” with another flamer. See you all tomorrow.

Also, Hollys Gmom:

I have never had a problem with you HERE on Haleigh’s thread and have often supported and applauded your posts. But because of my feelings about your OTHER project, you threaten me (and everyone else) here on Haleigh’s thread.

Just exactly what I feared would happen.

The K-9 track from the police report:

Myself and Officer Sorenson initiated a track beginning at the back/side door of the residence. The track lead directly out the backdoor, and down a wooded path, as we traveled down the wooded path, we located what appeared to be a small child’s foot print in the dirt. It should be noted that Ronald said Haleigh’s shoes were still inside the residence.

The track lead to a pond and then back to Green Drive. At this last residence on the right side of Green Drive was a small building with a door which had been left open. I entered the building and verified that no one was inside.

The track then continued north past the residence, where we made a left turn on Monroe Avenue. We made another left onto Buchan Circle, which we followed in a loop
back to Monroe Avenue.
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We then made a right turn on Buffalo Bluff Road, to the railroad crossing, where we were forced to end the track because the canine was unable to follow it any further.

I then returned to the scene…

I also wanted to add that Ron’s family was shown a picture of D Sapp as part of a possible sighting tip, they said they did not know him, recognize him.

The Donald that WAS with the family and at the tent area was Ron’s uncle Donald, who is not a Sapp.

Thanks Jan.

Jan @ 10:57 am

You said, “The point here is that if you are on here there is always that small chance that someone might be able to find more information about you but chances are greater that no one would even try unless there is a good reason to do so.”

What’s “good reason?” That someone/anyone has dared to disgree with someone?

What that means to me is that HollysGMom, for example, who HAS tracked down people and invaded their privacy and posted their personal information on the web CAN do the same with any of us for any reason she wants to which means no one better cross her.

I received that threat from her loud and clear and I am so very sorry that the information you provided supports it.

I’m just sorry to see that you allow someone like that to stay on BNN – not that banning them would keep them off anyway – and it would do nothing to repair the damage she could do to someone.

Jan, this has gone way beyond bickering – to threat level. The risk was always there but now someone who HAS hacked others and who is threatening others is allowed to behave that way and stay on BNN. I don’t think anyone is safe in leaving comments that might give that person “good reason” to hack them. So I advise everyone to avoid her or to praise her to the skies or you might be her next target.

Hollysgmom,
Hysterical:-)

Yes, I agree that nothing on the internet is private. It is up for grabs to anyone who has the time and inkling to search. It, therefore, is the responsibility of each individual to monitor what he/she writes on the internet, what information is placed there, etc. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive about the net.

If there is so much comparison, Sounds like someone other than Ron has been doing stuff and Ron got blamed for it. JMO

It just bothers me that anyone believes they have annonymity online. If you worry that something you have posted, written, or said might come back on you…..Don’t post it, don’t write it, don’t say it. If you think that what you do can never be put to a name or a face, you are mistaken. Please, everyone, be aware.

Hollys Gmom:

During the past year and a half that I have blogged here I have cautioned people a number of times about the risks of the internet and referred them to articles I thought would help them.

However, I was stunned to read your comment this morning in which you not only mentioned me specifically and a comment (that had been removed along with your reply) from the other article but also described in detail how you hacked someone before and posted photos and personal information about them.

Your closing remark was: “I just want people to realize that yes, you can have your say here or anywhere on the net . . . but in doings so YOU are potentially putting yourself at risk.”

How could I read that as anything but a threat? Especially since you mentioned me specifically? Especially since “I had had my say” which you took great offense to? The message I got was “I can have my say but I’m putting myself at risk from you.”

I am not an enemy of anyone here. Posting an objection or disagreement is not something that you or anyone needs to see as “an enemy a’comin” as you put it. But now I feel that if I disagree with you (or anyone you agree with) then I am at risk.

No matter how bad things have been here – and they’ve been really bad at times – I have never had the desire or felt the need to track someone down. I have never felt as personally threatened as I do now. I never expected it and especially not from you. I had thought pretty highly of you – even though I disagreed with some things.

In relation to the case, another blogger posted a comment that I realized expressed exactly the way I felt – after reading your comment (@3:41 am) – about being here at BNN now: The comment was: “Trust, Respect and Integrity have been compromised.”

I don’t know that I will ever feel free to express myself here again. It will take a while if it happens. In the meantime I do hope that you and I can mend the fences and that I can try to trust that we can blog together – even with differing opinions – and I can try to trust that you (and perhaps others) will not try to do me (or anyone else) any harm.

The moral of the story is…..No matter what you post, or where….we ALL put ourselves at risk by doing so. Not just from fellow bloggers but others as well. Please be advised.

Ratgate seems a little too far fetched for me. So yes, that’s one of them. And I’m sure that they all know they look very much alike, So it wouldn’t take much to set Ron up if he had made someone mad.

I thought it was TM that stated the thing about the gun, and that Ronald said that he used Misty as an alibi to test her lying ability.

No probs Treece,

I often wondered why Ron wasn’t asked about all of TM’s claims while he was still doing TV interviews. I pretty much think that there was something to the RatGate claim. I of course don’t know how it all went down, I wonder if Misty is willing to tell it all now!!

Lesa, yes I have felt bullied and attacked on this board. My posts lately have been misunderstood and jumped on so frequently I’ve had to wonder if people were doing it on purpose.

One post directly from me to LS was a nice respectful suggestion with a please and thank you that I thought would help LS AND help some bloggers who were upset. Several people reamed me out for that. Yet they are the same people who at the same time were putting people down with disdain and some were lobbying for bloggers to leave comments that were only documented fact. But apparently that was okay.

Some hypocrisy there perhaps? A deliberate attempt to intimidate me and put me down?
Or a genuine feeling (which I cannot find a logical explanation for)?

I don’t know. So I do not know how I or anyone else can write carefully enough to be sure not to appear to be “coming at people.”

I do appreciate your making it perfectly clear that there are people on this board who are able and (may be) willing to do some pretty evil things (IMO). I just don’t think that what we write or how we write it makes any difference. “Beauty” and “ugly” are in the eye of the beholder, in the intentions and character of the beholder. And if people want to view posts with a negative attitude, want to look for insults and problems, they will find them – no matter what is said or intended.

cent, I don’t have a stuffy head, just a blonde one (mixing up AH and TM.) ding ding!!!
This is my take on ratgate. The few people that I have known that would put a rat in someone’s mail box would have a huge meaning behind it and they would have NEVER admitted that they did it.
They would also want it to create huge fear, so they would never joke around like it was to test Misty…….The one’s I know would have said something like this. “Well, Tim I sure don’t know who did that but I can tell you this, whoever did that means business and Tommy better be real careful and watch his back.” But I could wrong I just had a relative that lived a lifestyle to do things like that and none of his crew would have said that. I just think TM made that up, like I think he made it up that Ron did the gun stunt. I think TM was doing everything to make Ron and Misty look trashy, stupid and guilty. To me it went right along with his next move of hiring that Donna to be a “mom” to Misty to find out info….. But this is just food for thought it certainly doesn’t mean I am right.

You are right, the side shows have caused my head to swim trying to keep up. But when it all settles back down most of them leave me with more suspicion instead of less. Too many in my opinion, were like TM and had their own agenda or glory to seek.

What I found really “odd” about the ratgate incident was the fact that the lead homicide detective of Putnam County was there on a weekend night “investigating” a dead rat. That to me makes absolutely no sense.

When LE went to Ron’s that night they knew the truck had not been driven, that it was broken down, and that he was with a group of people who all said that Ron was with them the entire evening, so why did LE insist on Ron going to the station and talking to Merchant over a dead rat? Makes no sense.

m2c, Hey, I can’t send you PM on forum because your folder is too full, make some room and I might send you a Merry Christmas!!! ho ho ho I mean ha ha ha Treece

cent said,
in December 21st, 2009 at 7:17 pm

Has everyone seen JVM… Dog The Bounty Hunter is going to help the mother of abducted 10 yr old Jean Paul.