We will be running our regular weekly look at these two very disturbing cases. Our panel is shaping up to be TJ Hart, Cobra Staubs, Peter Hyatt, Armando Aldazabal, and Denny Griffin.
I caught a whiff of something today, it seems that my release of the Tommy tapes earlier this week is not sitting well with a certain lawyer. I have extended an invite to him. I do hope that he accepts. I am sure that he could clear up many of the misconceptions that are swirling around concerning Tommy Croslin and his possible involvement in the Haleigh Cummings disappearance. We shall have to wait and see if he takes the bait.
Todays big news was what didn’t happen. At the last moment a hearing concerning Ronald Cummings exact status and also to attempt to lower his bond. The hearing was cancelled, that in itself is not an unusual occurrence, hearings get cancelled all the time. Someone is sick, another case gets in the way, it interferes with a tee off time at the local Golf Course, there are no end of reasons to cancel. But…. this was not a postponement, it has not been rescheduled.
I wonder what the story is?
Over on the Caylee Anthony case there was a pre-trial hearing with the new judge, and it seemed to me that it was Judge 5 Baez 0. I am wondering if our illustrious lawyer Jose Baez is beginning to rue creating the stink to remove Strickland?
This new judge is not giving Baez much wriggle room. With the Tax Payers now picking up the tab for much of the defense I think it is fair to say that Baez can’t even pick up a Latte Grande at Starbucks without prior approval.
So here is the question. How is Baez surviving? He gives the impression that he is working on the case 24/7, he is working for free, how does he pay his rent? How does he keep the lights on? Something does not add up.
Join us on Sunday at 3pm central, we will be exploring both of these cases in detail. To listen in, point your browser to www.blogtalkradio.com a few minutes before we go on air, the link will be on the main page, or you can use this direct link.
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Lawyer guess: A one Mr. James S. Werter
Tommy is only getting 3 years, when piggies fly.
locked, always.
VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, do you ever use that doo yourself, go in and out that door?
CROSLIN: I mean, once in awhile I will take the garbage out through the back door, or leave through the back door and take a vacuum and vacuum the car out. But that is the only time we use the back door.
VAN SUSTEREN: Misty, did anyone come over to the house that evening while Ronald was at work? Any friends come over?
CROSLIN: No. My older brother had come over with my nephews, and the AC guy.
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It bugs me about Gramma Sykes,why did she not say gsykes came over?
I am reading old transcripts,lol
Happy Mother’s Day !! I will for ever and always be grateful for the unconditional support and love I was given by and to me, from my “mama”….. And am so very blessed to be able to embrace, experience and share a love, that no words can measure with my baby girl… all 23 yrs of her!!
Have a great weekend and I truly send you all my best wishes for a Mother’s Day filled with hope, love and happiness…. and a prayer that the cycle of pain, that we only read about happening to so many innocent, precious children, will some become an anomaly.. for there is no greater gift, than that of a child..
or leave thru the back door??
Simon, I can answer your question re: Baez and the illustrious Judge Perry.
Baez has not been put in his place…by our new Judge.
Jose is regreting having a new judge sitting on the case and it finally has come back hitting him square in his butt.
How is he feeding and keeping his roof overhead when he said in court that he only gets $5 an hr….whether it was said in jest, which I’m sure it was…(Bozo thinks he’s so funny) the judge didn’t comment on that but I’m sure he heard it loud and clear. Judge Perry is very smart and doesn’t miss an utterance or a jesture while sitting there.
Go Judge….I’m also sure Judge Stan watching the hearings too.
ps The Anthony’s were NOT present in court but you can bet your bippy they were glued to their TV sets…while munching on their crab puffs.
I’m not trying to stir up your panel with this next thing.
I’ve read on another site about a search that was reported as sketchy at best and I read that mr staubs was there. I’d like to hear from him on that.
If this has b een covered before and someone can point me to it and I withdraw the question.
I know there are always 2 or 3 sides to every story and know how one side folks can be so I’d like to hear from your guest and in advance thank him for the response.
There is absolutely no way that Tommy’s attorney would come on Simon’s show, way too hot for him here. The smile isn’t effective here, it’s radio, not tv……..
And with TJ & Cobra…….No way. Don’t see him playing here.
Question: If Mr. Werter believes in his client so much, why doesn`t he invite the whole family to stay over with him while they are down and out?
Answer: Because his furniture is not bolted to the floor.
I’d love the lawyer to come on, but if he were mine I’d instruct him not to.
Just isn’t worth it if you have an in anyway a guilty or knowledgeable of the crime client, invloved.
On the Casey Anthony murder trial, the last thing I expect Judge Perry to do is “come out swinging” against Baez. Jose would love that. It would show he is impartial.
Looking forward to the show! Super panel. I don’t see Werner taking the “bait”…especially if you put it that way. LOL! He’d just give the same answers he’s given to other interviewers :Can’t answer that because it might jeopardize the investigation. WOuld be nice to “nail a few things down” though.
What in the world could he have to say? He wouldn’t talk about the case.
The panel would slice Werter down into Jose Baez Joe Tacopina ham steaks! Bring in the clowns.
Baez has the most uphill battle, wow.
I wonder who will, or has been the 1st to proclaim caseys innocence.
ROFL@Pinky!
Too funny.
Really though, no way. Tommy’s attorney could not contribute anything. And what does he have to be upset with Simon about anyway? He should be upset with Tommy’s sister, Misty, or her ex-husband, Ron.
jaba said,
in May 7th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Baez has the most uphill battle, wow.
I wonder who will, or has been the 1st to proclaim caseys innocence.
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Casey`s imaginary friend. I had three imaginary friends when I was boy. I blamed them for everything. You know what happened? My mother threatened to knock the stuffing out of me… real friends quickly became the new normal.
My mom is like a magician. Happy Mother`s Day, maw. I now see why you did what you did.
What? He should be upset with Tommy for making up a bunch of BS. That is what I think this is all about. Tommy has told LE Joe done it. But he is on tape saying Misty is covering for Ron and some mexican mafia or whatever. Right maybe because anyone but Tommy is good enough for him.
Three years this guy is dreaming. At the very least he put this child in the river after she was dead and told nobody till there was nothing left of her to find. At the worst he stood by while Joe what put her in the water alive? That is his story? The wimp could not do anything? My Butt. Oh no that is not the worst is it. The worst would be if he did this himself and just maybe he did.
why not have hope’s lawyer on?
and ask her why she plead hope guilty as charged?
what kind of defense is that?
Hope didn’t even understand she was pleading no contest, she said “I’m not pleading no contest my lawyer is pleading no contest”.. her lawyer obviously didn’t explain to her til she understood. She should be disbarred and an appeal should be filed citing inadequate counsel. She was working with the prosecution!
not only is that unethical but ILLEGAL!
Its about making misty the scapegoat at any cost, and if it tramples the justice system so be it.
misty is innocent!
Story out now on news that Hank Sr is saying that he knows that Misty and Tommy did not hurt Haleigh. They don’t have the heart to do something like that. Then goes on to say he doesn’t know what happened, but that he knows for sure they didn’t hurt Haleigh.
Interesting. Maybe not the heart to hurt Haliegh when in their right minds. But if high on drugs or with Tommy smoking pot all day that could of been laced with PCP, who knows what he did! Of course, he is still trying to convince us (or convince himself) that he knows “exactly what he does when he is high”. He remembers everything. Well, I think therein lies the answer….he doesn’t remember and it is scaring him. Misty probably did the same stuff he did and she don’t remember either. Just remembers waking up and Haleigh is gone.
F’n Losers! They make me sick.
When you say things over and over just to believe it, it can cloud a mind.
She has been around the court system a long time, she knows what the word means.
She cannot take any responsibilty. She hides, like so many Think they are doing with a nolo plea. They are guilty and adjudicated as such.
I wonder if shwe signed the requisite papers about her plea?
I wonder if anyone has first hand or audio of conversations or interviews with hope and/or her lawyer?
I’m sure if posters here can figure out a legal challenge so easily, some other attorney in Florida would be happy to take such a slam dunk deal. I haven’t heard any to date.
Sorry,i smoked weed for yrs and knew everything i did,I toolk 10-20 hydro 10’s a day and knew what i was doing!
Thank God i have no past with crack/pcp/meth/speed whatever so i dunno but i do know ppl who did and they can tell you what theey did!
people who don’t use think otherwise and i am not saying its not possible or that drugs make you smart….but i do know much about it!
bbs teds here wiff food,lol
I think Hank Sr.`s best plan of attack would be to slam his mouth shut if nothing intelligent
ever comes out of it. He should stage a hot taco burned his mouth accident! It is all Taco Bell`s
fault.
The judge asked Hope if she understood what her plea of no contest meant and she answered yes. That was her chance to speak and say, nope, I need some help understanding here.
Hope told her mom that she was told by Ron that they were all to plead the same way. That stick together stuff.
By the way, I watched the video again today of her and Misty’s score. Hope brought the pills out of the drug house in her own little grubby hands. Contrary to what she told her mom on the jail tape.
jaba…… both posts, excellent, could not agree more!!! Great thoughts/insight!
Gracias, jnet!
Just becasue I think misty is guilty doesn’t make it so. A judge or jury will make that decision based on evidence. We’ve been lucky to some of the evidence and it paints her in a bad light. Her current attorney or her eventual appeal attorney(cuz she may lie until the end of time so why not appeal) can bring out evidence that shows hewr in a positive light during the rest of the raw footage at trial, in the media, or on appeal. I haven’t seen anything just yet. Maybe its coming tomorrow or next week. If misty wasn’t guilty of drug charges why does she talk about being guilty with her family?
Hope: didn’t she have 30 days to appeal the sentence or something…may have mis-read or heard that wrong. Are we close to that date. Has her attorney or even herself filed the paperwork yet?
Jnet said,in May 7th, 2010 at 9:31 pm jaba…… both posts, excellent, could not agree more!!! Great thoughts/insight!
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Et tu, Brute?..
Jaba I 2nd! Hope knows exactly what she’s doing. She wants people to think she’s confused or too lame to understand. She was hoping by saying that she could change her plea.
Ronald in Court May 13 2010 ~ 6 more days
IMO Ron was trying to get bail in order to come home and have a small family memorial for Haleigh before he’s off to the Big House. IMO, they are angry at the world and want to keep Haleigh’s memorial all to themselves. I say…TOO LATE! We were good enough to spend all this time caring, searching, crying, and praying for her…
So, reasons Ron’s Hearing might have gotten cancelled.
1) Attorney unavailable
2) Court/Judge issue
3) Neeba Hearing (unable to pass)
4) Charges Pending?
any others? and votes? 🙂
aba said,in May 7th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Just becasue I think misty is guilty doesn’t make it so.
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hmmm you’ve changed your tune..
you were howling for her blood yesterday,
gayly leading the LYNCH MOB.. remember?
you people…LE leads you like lemmings…
right off the cliff.
misty is innocent!
Misty is guilty
of something
I don’t blame Werter for being mad. These tapes cannot be taken back. There were used to sway the public opinion of these people, even though they haven’t been charged with this crime. If by some miracle these people are innocent, they are being labeled murderers before a trial or arrests have been made. It is sad that people are presumed guilty now and have to prove their innocence instead of the old presumption of innocence until proven guilty that the legal system is built upon.
Now, if she’s just be truthfull about what that something is…this would all go alot smoother.
robin;
The presumption of INNOCENCE is made by the COURT; ie legally (Which technically they are)
It has nothing to do with public opinion.
JenM said,
in May 7th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
F’n Losers! They make me sick.
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Me too, I could care less if he sleeps
with a bottle of ketchup on his nightstand.
(news4jax video)
In fact, I laugh… ha ha ha haaaaa silly little ketchup man.
If he told the truth, I would have compassion.
Lisa Croslin makes Granny Hollars look hot.
It happens everyday, all over.
True Story:
Man loans a couple a rifle for a weekend adventure they’re having (Camping/hunting)
Months later the man is upset they still haven’t returned the gun. They argue over the phone, heatedly. Man insist they return it or he’s filing charges.
Couple arrive to return the gun. It is still loaded and woman is pointing it at rightfull owner. Owner takes action and pulls the gun out of her hands. However, while doing so some muscles in her arm are pulled and she is “hurt”. Couple leaves screaming they are now filing charges for assault. Which they do.
So the rightfull owner of said gun, takes the gun away to keep from being threatened or shot WHILE in his own home is then arrested and charged for assault on a female. THe same woman who had been brandishing his own gun at him while in his home. His face & arrest are plastered all over the newspapers. He’s now the “Bad guy”.
Anything jumps off or even if you think it might….better call 911….you may need the witnesses.
HollysGmom said,in May 7th, 2010 at 10:10 pm robin;
The presumption of INNOCENCE is made by the COURT; ie legally (Which technically they are)
It has nothing to do with public opinion.
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WRONG!!!!!! heard of TAINTING THE JURY POOL??!!
LE is doing every underhanded scheming vile atrocity they can think of to make misty the SCAPEGOAT!!
misty is innocent!
This case is high profile so its going to be hard to find a juror that hasn’t heard something of it. Why release these tapes it all, since according to police they have been redacted with no relevant information to the Haleigh investigation? The public need to know should have no precedence of someone’s rights. Do you not remember the Sam Shepard case and the media attention that got him convicted? It was also the basis of his appeal. I guess I am old school and believe that evidence should convict people, not the media. Guilty or not, these people do deserve a fair trial without the media saturation and malicious allegations that have surrounded this case. JMO
Hollys Gmom I vote for no.4.If I’m proven wrong I will admit it. My le son & I have had this feeling all along that something is off.My wonderful Mother has been gone for a long time.God gave me 3 g sons & 2 g daughters to fill my heart.We are all really close. That’s why H.& C. cases have hit me so hard. I pray the truth will come out soon. Happy Mother’s Day everyone.
No where on this green earth will Misty get a unbiased trial…Every corner of the world knows about this case..She helped to convict herself through the media with her constant lying and not coming forward with what she knows. No pity for her whatsoever; although, I think she is innocent of killing HaLeigh. I also think she knows what happened, and was there.. IMHO
I never lack for an opinion, and lord knows, nothing slows me from expressing it….. However, I do have to say that I absolutely agree with Robin and Jaba…. it is totally pointless for me to be redundant and repeat the same thoughts that I share with both of them. They stated their opinions very well… and I agree totally with their posts..Thank you for sharing ….
Casey Anthony case:
In his response, state prosecutor Jeff Ashton said nine of the 15 circumstances clearly do not apply to Casey. He then went on to point out four that he said clearly apply to the case.
They are, as written in state law:
The capital felony involved aggravated child abuse
It was premeditated
The victim was under the age of 12
The defendant was the victim’s parent
There are two other aggravating circumstances the state may or may not try to prove. One of them is that the defendant benefited financially from the victim’s death. The other is that the alleged slaying was especially heinous, atrocious or cruel.
Defense attorney Richard Hornsby said he believes the state has already tipped its hand in regard to claiming Caylee’s murder was especially cruel.
http://www.wesh.com/news/23488034/detail.html
J,
Its a tactic often used to try and away opinion even in the face of facts that condradict the facts.
A judge and or jury with adjudicate misty and company with them having the opportunity to cross examine experts, provide their own experts, cross examine evidence, find out its origin and chain of custody, take the stand in their own defense, have their lawyer object and have a ruling on the objection, strike jury members they don’t like. You know, a trial.:)
They can even move for change of venue etc…etc…etc…
And I hope the tragically hopeful proponents of the ones charged don’t think their won’t be a mountain of scrutiny from media and regular folks alike to make sure the trial is fair. They aren’t holding trials on any of these people behind closed doors at a mobil home. Their will be witnesses to the trial and written record of it all.
Any conspiracies based on facts that LE did something wrong will be heard and ruled on by the judge.
I can’t wait for people to take the next obvious step and accuse the judge of wrongdoing. Its coming.
Edit:
In the face of facts that condradict ‘their’ facts.
I admit it, I am a poorly edited poster:)
LoL@oj…..howling for blood,lol
If I said paris hilton was a great actress over and over, some knucklehead will believe it.
Another thought, maybe stating an opinion that condradicts the facts all others see is a way to get attenion. Who knows?
Hi – I just left this on the other post but I am not sure who is still there…
Seeing her bandaged hands in that video was so sad – does anyone know what happened? That image just haunts me. Not sure I can sleep – this is the first time I have seen that? Is it new to all of you too? Thanks.
bandage on whose hands?
Cathy – I will find the video – there is a video that somenone shared earlier that shows pictures of Haleigh. In one of the pictures here hands are completely bandaged (like they were burned) – it is awful.
Hi – here it is – if you haven’t seen it – brace yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM
OMG TY Jill,don’t think i have seen it? I would ccertainly remember that?
I think JillF may be talking about Lisa Crolin.
They use sympathy as a weapon. imho
It is tactical. A game of strategery!
Oh, Haleigh… I saw that one… I believe they are cute little gloves. She is laying on bleachers or something and smiling. I saw it
in a YT video last week.
There may be an innocent story behind the bandages but to me all that I see is that she suffered. Regardless of the circumstances someone was not looking out for her. Poor little thing.
since you mentioned that i read something on eyesfor lies if i am not mistaken but it is making me wonder now………ok if you look at Haleigh’s pix when she was younger her face is perfectly normal…..and look at the most recent pix of her,you can clearly see that her face changed shape drastically and I know she had Turners syndrome but the post by somebody said,theres no way Turners could do that,Have yall noticed or whats your opinions on it?
right Jill,i know what you mean!
Pinky – really? I hope you are right – I would rather go to sleep thinking about that. I will look again with that in mind.
I remember seeing it…I think it was on AH..I can’t remember what was said as to how she was injured..I want to say on the playground, but not sure..Poor HaLeigh went through a lot in her short life.. RIP sweet girl…
Yes, JillF… my take on it was that was one of her happier moments. You should sleep on that.
God i hope she’s right too!
Hi – just looked again and blew up the image – not gloves. Amen to that Mary – RIP sweet girl.
Suffice it to say, I am not talking about any conspiracy theories nor do I entertain them. I am talking about basic rights that everyone, incLuding the Croslin/Cummings clan are entitled to. One of those rights are the presumption of innocence. Sadly that right is in jeopardy when every time you turn around their past bad deeds are reported and their jailhouse visits/calls are broadcast for a mass viewing audience. No one is privy to the evidence but yet pure speculation and innuendo is being reported as fact. Another sad fact is there are people who do believe what is reported on tabloid media like Nancy Grace and others like her. She is not one to retract a statement that has been proven to be false and that hurts a case that is all ready rampant with rumors. I do not defend the Croslins/Cummings clan, but I do defend the pursuit of justice. I think this makes me a minority on here, but I will let the evidence speak for me. Haleigh deserves justice, as we all agree,but I want LE to unequivocally prove their case with evidence, not saturate the airwaves with the personal lives of these poor,uneducated people to suit their need to paint these people in the worst possible light. I do not know anyone who could stand up to the continous media and public scrutiny that these people have–and they haven’t been charged yet? JMO
Well, I tried. lol
do you have the link Jill
? sorry……
Robin – good point. I haven’t looked at it that way.
April 13 2010
In the FirstCoastNews article, they write something I have never seen before: “After extensive interviews with many people involved in Haleigh’s life, detectives have said Croslin knows more than she’s saying, but is not a suspect. Has anyone seen that before? Is this a new change in status due to information?
These people do a great job painting themselves
in the worst possible light. No TV anchors needed.
FYI……..Interesting thought yall might like to see it too,
Gotta love defense lawyers!
Ronald Cumming’s defense lawyer, Terry Shoemaker, has just come out with two mind-boggling statements. One is that the police told Ronald, “If you divorce Misty, we’ll find something out. She’ll crack” and “If Misty got in trouble, in jail, we could probably get her to crack.” I guess Ronald’s mother was right that he “only dealt drugs to get close to Misty after the divorce, in order to learn what happened to Haleigh.”
Let’s see now; Ronald married Misty to get “his enemy near” him because that would get him information. Then he divorces because the police told him to, because that would get him information. Then he deals drugs with her and helps them set up a sting to get her arrested because that will get him information. I don’t think I have ever seen such a complex ongoing plan. Ronald is also an amazing actor to be able to play the loving husband, then divorce her because he failed in his mission, then take up with her again to get her busted selling drugs, and pretend to be the felon while waiting for her to crack. This is the real world folks, not a fictional crime drama.
And now, we have a new incredible comment of Ronald’s via his lawyer. Apparently, Ron is not mad at Misty, “only disappointed” that she couldn’t confide in him for an entire year, forcing him and his family to suffer needlessly. He hopes the reason she withheld the truth was that she was “threatened” or “forced” to keep quiet.
I am finding his kindly attitude hard toward Misty hard to swallow (as I always have find it abnormal). Disappointed? You can be disappointed someone didn’t give you a job, disappointed your child didn’t get good grades in school, disappointed that your mate doesn’t want to go away for the weekend. You are usually mad as hell when you find out your spouse cheated on you, a drunk driver killed your son, or your druggie girlfriend “got your daughter stole.”
Not Ronnie. Even though he swore he’d kill the person who took his kid, he isn’t even mad when he finds out his girlfriend/wife/girlfriend was involved in his child’s disappearance and lied to him over and over and over again.
Maybe it is true that he has been doing an undercover job for the police trying to get Misty to slip up. Or, maybe, he knows she finally has slipped up and he is sending her a message through his lawyer. He needs her continued cooperation to save his own butt so he can’t be too nasty. He is letting her know that he is “disappointed” (you gave up the information you shouldn’t have) and he hopes that she was forced or threatened (you better just have slipped up under pressure and you better not be about to roll over on me).
Seems more like the defense lawyer is working overtime to paint Ronald as a victim and sympathetic figure. He is giving too much information which leads me to believe he is working on a defense in a murder case, not a drug dealing case.
Maybe I am wrong and we will find out the Ronald Cummings really did spend the year helping the police nail Misty. If this turns out to be the case, Ron can play himself in the movie because he is one hell of an actor and I will pay the $12 to be there on opening night.
I have to get to bed – interesting quote re: Misty not a suspect. I think LE is just floating things out there to gauge reactions. Strange.
rofl@Pinky,Amen! NatuRAL!
You mean the poor uneducated drug dealing child abusing/neglecting scam artists?
Gimme a break…….This isn’t a pity party for the Cummings/Croslin clan.
And if they truly want a fair trial,take it to a judge not a jury, if they are that scared.
By the way, which lie are they afraid of anyway?
Lucy lol
I stick with the Haleigh pity party. She and Jr. were the only innocent ones.
CathyJo- Good article. Pat Brown, I think?
Sounds like Ron’s attorney watches too much of the Nancy/Teresa garbage
Hi everyone – what have I missed?
Did you find out why bail/bond didn’t happen?
Quickly tried to read some of your blogs and saw where Cathy you are looking for the U-Tube I posted earlier regarding Haleigh hands.
Someone is supposed to have held them under scalding water since she was not minding.
It was on the last post and probably mid-afternoon.
Any news? Anything happen?
Ann
Yes Pinky,Pat Brown!
I don’t feel sorry for any one of them,They’ve had what? 13 months now,14 to do whats right!
OMGGGGGGGGGG UNder hot water,are you serious?????
Ann just made my face turn green. Re: Hot water
CathyJo:
Tommy told Lyndsy that he was so messed up when he was arrested that he was falling asleep in the police car. He must have been taking alot of that stuff. You may have had enough judgement not to completely wipe out like that. Misty said Tommy was smoking crack and Lyndsy told him that the cops were saying Tommy smoked crack. From what some people on here have said, people can get really wild on that stuff.
i don’t see a link Ann,do you still have it? sorry
Right Karon,I said i never did it so i dunno but i know weed and pills didn’t make me lose my memory,lol welllllllllllllll not till 5 yrs later and add age!lol
maybe i shoulda kept quiet,lol Karon……i am senile!
but anyway i’d say he did do powder as lindsey called it and crack cuz he’s cracked alright,lol so basically what i should say now is,he had to be doing harder drugs than weed or pills,ofcourse he admits to the pills cause he’s on cam,lol
the bad thing too,maybe Tommy mixed all that together and that would do it!
ann, I am not trying to offend you but I have to ask again where that info came from??
you said:
Someone is supposed to have held them under scalding water since she was not minding.
When did this story change to that??
Where did you “hear” that??
but if he were only using weed or pills nah!
Hiya Treece!!!!! I haven’t seen the pic.can’t find it!
imo though too Karon…….just sayin…….I assumed?? people who use cocaine call it powder,if ya get my drift? maybe i’m ole skool!
For little Haliegh scauled hands in bandages. She wasn’t doing was she was supposed to and this was the punishment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhD6-OM
It is at about 1:06 of the four min vieo
Ann
I didn’t hear any other story so you got one on me there.
What I heard is that her hands were held under the hot water tap as punishment because she wasn’t being good.
My thinking is that is when the school contacted DFS who came out and gave Ronald guidelines in disciplining his children.
What story did you hear:=?
Ann
CathyJo I will find it for you. BRB
Cathy it is in my 12:11 post.
Tired. Good night all – be safe and happy.
Ann
Holding hand under hot water!! If true that is child abuse to the nth degree…I hope it isn’t true…How sickening to do that to an innocent child..Makes me want to go down there and dunk their heads in hot water, but who? They all deny any and everything regarding HaLeigh..
I heard Trix are for kids. You know who I got that from? source- General Mills.
CathyJo was 12:11!
Stillucy—This is no pity party for anyone as far as I am concerned. Like I said before, I do not defend anyone involved in this case, but I do question LE’s tactics for getting their “Man”. I have followed many cases that are left unsolved because LE focused on someone to the exclusion of many other viable suspects. I have also saw cases that resulted in a wrongful conviction because of LE’s focus. The media can taint a case, whether anyone wants to admit or not.The only good thing to come of this case is if one of the ones jailed are charged, we will be privy to all the evidence per the Sunshine Laws. Right now, we have to believe that LE is doing their job to the letter of the law, and investigating every angle of this case. Sadly, we know that is not always the case and I am not dumb enough to believe that LE is infallible. JMO. Happy Mother’s Day to all and Justice for Haleigh
I found the video on yt.
mark at :08 seconds
bandages on hands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8NpXdJpOos
Mary, hold hands under hot water as punishment is strictly rumor, made up BS. No one has any data on that just say they “heard”.
ann said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 12:18 am
I didn’t hear any other story so you got one on me there.
What I heard is that her hands were held under the hot water tap as punishment because she wasn’t being good.
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Perfect example of rumor. I have asked 3 times where this came from. It is “I heard”.
I would like to offer “the story” with Ron Cummings situation, they know he is as responsible as any and all the others.
Ron is not getting out.
Treece: I can’t find it anywhere……
Thanks, Treece.. Rumors have a life of their own..I appreciate you stopping it, until we have more information..
The picture I saw was gloves i believe!
I’m wondering if it isn’t case confusion.
Marc Anthony Bookal’s hands were still bandaged from being burned by a household heater. They were still healing when he was murdered. Mom told ER dr accident with heater, also story about mom’s BF doing it as punishment.
Now we clearly havea photo of Haleigh with the same exact bandages on her hands. The picture was taken during Spring/Summer. She is weraing shorts as is Jr, so why in the world would it be gloves?
We don’t know the Haleigh burned hands story and even if we did it could not be believed as EVERYONE surrounding her during her life has lied and mis-lead. So what really happened to Haleigh’s hands? Why were they bandaged so?
The link is on my twitter list…BRB
Pinky, In the family picture hanging on the wall of Tom and Lisa’s room – she is very pretty, and still is, but looks very tired and stressed.
If you aren’t already toothless, you may end up that way, and if you live long enough you’ll be wrinkled. Maybe more than Lisa or anyone else in your famly for the past five generations. Scary thought, huh?
don’t even know what I think anymore it’s so SAD
Hollysgmom, I agree with you we don’t know. But to repeated state on here that her hands were put in scalding water to punish her is just rumor bs.
There is enough real crap to try to wade through without people making up more bs.
I concur, Hollys Gmom… they look like bandages.
I concur, Hollys Gmom… they look like bandages.
I wonder,not saying anyones guilty but i look into all theories because we don’t know the truth yet but with Misty coming out now with this story…..what if Misty did not take rons calls because it was planned that way to set tommy up,only a theory if ron happens to be involved………i hope he’s not but who knows,but imagine ron and misty have it planned to keep calling her from work and she is not to answer so he calls tommy to go over there and then Misty could say later that joe and tommy did it and she was threatened and sat on the bed covered up thus not being able to answer?
treece;
I agree…we should def question it. Where it came from, where it originated, and such. It could be that someone along the way was confused and posted or stated erroniously. I’d like to narrow down exactly where it started.
and i guess the reason i thought of that was because the ld guy asked why she didn’t appear truthful when he asked her about ron harming Haleigh!
Hey CathyJo;
It could be true or may not be true. We really don’t know either way. I’d like to nail down where it originated from though.
I have a lot of “haleigh” peeps in my twitter list and many of them from IS seemed SHOCKED we, here at BNN, didn’t know anything about it.
I saw the video before leaving for work. I will check my history on computer at home when I get home tomorrow.
Post at AH by mlee on April 4th 2009
These photos of Haleigh, given to be posted as a “dateline” of her injury’s, with identical copies, photos taken on the same date.. look at her clothing in photos. And then the double copy of the tiny photo, which in reality she has buising and injury on the little right arm. This is another smoke screen. And I ask again, what does that photo have to do with Haleighs injury at school, when apparently something occurred. Were they left small as they are, because ron hadn’t caught on how much this photo screams out, Haleigh was injured again, apparently last fall or summer? I would love to see if they took a photo of her after her little fingers were put in boiling water, which has been reported. Little hands covered in bandages, a weekend her visit with her Mother was cancelled, and Crystal never told why. Very simple, you burn the child’s hands, they are bandaged.. Your going to let her go to her Mother, so Crystal could see the injury? Issues of child abuse have had already been reported. Children’s services had already been to the house… That would have been like icing on the cake.. get my drift..
treece said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 12:06 am
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treece,
The story of the scalding water originated in the Websleuth Rumor thread. Home of most of the nasty rumors in this case. That story was long, long ago. And was nothing more than a rumor.
IIRC, the real story was HaLeigh was at a ball game and was just playing with the gauze. If you look at the picture, her hands are not wrapped tightly as they would be if she were really injured. The gauze is also not taped, as it would be if they were applied over injuries. Not to mention her little nails are painted red. If her hands were “burned”, I don’t think she’d be holding still to have her nails painted…
There are enough lies and rumors in this case, I wonder why people are recycling old ones?
Hgmom,I do think the truth of that is so important. I am a zombie and HAVE to go to bed but look at the other thread at my last post. In that one thing just look how many “new” rumors have been started.
The thing that makes me so crazy with bogus rumors is the truth just gets farther from us as more bogus side shows come through.
I agree it is good to discuss different scenarios but just adding BS to the mix is just another injustice to Haleigh. IMO
Good night friends!
When mlee’s post says “as has been reported”, who reported it?
J, thank you for answering. I am at least glad to hear it was old BS instead of someone making up even more.
Post on AH by mlee April 03 2009
mlee Says:
April 3rd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Maybe my old eyes are seeing things, but many of those photos are copies of one another, and you can tell by her clothing the photos taken on the same day and time. Now, this too has a dateline. The fall off the monkey bars occurred on the the 6th. the school called it a scratch on the nose. Haleigh’s face had swelling and black eye on the 12th and was taken to the Hospital, where they did a cat scan / mri (not sure which one) and the photos her mother took and has in her possession were taken on the 16th.
Now, am I crazy or wouldn’t a black eye appear the next day?
How can a scratch on the nose turn into a black eye and a cut on the forehead and one on the chin? Why in 6 days would this injury become more apparently, with selling? And why would it still be so bruised and new looking 4 days after that? This does not make sense to me. Trust me they should have had swelling and her eye black and looked terrible on the 7th and 8th. Something is wrong here. Now, they didn’t talk about the little fingers that were suppose to have been put in boiling water, by the amazing Misty, Haleigh’s hand were suppose to have been bandaged? Medical treatment? And Crystal’s weekend which followed the incidence was cancelled. Kids could not go..
mlee posts here also.
mlee;
Would you be so kind as to enlighten us on this information, it’s origins, etc. Also what has come to light since it’s first “report”.
As per WS rumors, some turned out to be true…
Ron = drug dealer is one…
OK I would like to know some truth about these fingers in boiling water.
If there is any truth to Misty putting Haleigh’s hands in boiling water and Ron stayed with her and Crystal didn’t beat her ass and all of them didn’t press charges on Misty, none of them deserve her.
Like I said I have to go to bed but let’s see if we can come up with proof of just this one thing.
Mlee would you please verify if there was any info to back this up. What do you know about Misty putting Haleighs hands in boiling water?
LOL HGmom, I am so slow to post I hadn’t seen your question but we are on the same page and want truth about it.
🙂 Me too…..and I agree, if any truth to it….Ugghh! Line em ALL up!
That was like a blog version of a drive-by.
Some people definitely wanted us on the topic
of Haleigh`s bandaged hands tonight.
Agenda setters.
Comment by elle1919 @ WS
Hi passionflower, I saw pictures of Haleigh with bandages on her hands as well, this could be due to a surgery that children with Turners Syndrome go through, you might have noticed Haleigh’s hands are smaller and pudgier as well. I think the surgery is to remove webbing or something like that…I am not sure; let me go check. I know we discussed that here.
Then followed by a whole thread that only WSers can read. If anyone is a member or can enter, I’d love to hear the concensious about it. Any verifications as to what really happened to her hands.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=3061362
It’s def been the topic of discussion for today….here & twitter, maybe other places too.
Tpoic of discussion at WS 10 days ago…rehash…
I have all the i-phone pics. Nobody has to sell me on the idea that she was abused. I know it,
DCF knows it, Ronald and Misty know it.
I just like proof. I don`t like somebody wizzing
by and yelling out: I heard, that she had a boyfriend who works at Mee-Maws and he said
they burned that baby`s hands. Her head was
all mishapen from the brutal punishment that
Ron and Misty doled out on her on a daily basis.
I deal in facts and truth, no more, no less.
wyks from SM has some good input about the “burned hands” incident
Wyks:
Quote from: dsntslp on March 15, 2009, 01:06:59 PM
If her hands were placed in boiling water the tips would be burned also.
That’s sure seems to be true! My guess is that *IF* scalding water was used on Haleigh, and her hands bandaged, the way they are bandaged suggest that perhaps the water was poured into her cupped hands, rather than her fingers being placed in that. I dunno really, that’s my guess.
Had she fallen off her bike or tripped or something, am thinking her knees and elbows might get scraped up a bit too. But her knees/legs/arms look fine to me, at least with the view in that pic. It looks to be just her hands, perhaps the palms of her hands.
If you’ve seen the picture, you’ll notice that the fingertips were not covered nor appeared burned. The fingers are individually wrapped and the palms but the tips are exposed.
Things to remember, sometimes children accidentally burn themselves with bath water, sink water, irons, heaters, stoves etc. Usually not both hands at once, but I suppose could happen.
i-phone pics? huh?
Sorry the “Things to remember” paragraph was by me…not wyks
Yes, I have them tucked away in my photobucket.
Do you want links?
Maybe she tried two handing a hot stove pot and got burned a little on the hands, which maybe for her required bandaging for any burns and/or just to make her feel better.
So many other ways for a kid to need a bandage to call this one abuse unless a credible witness to it or someone haleigh told that we could believe, like a doctor..
I found the video on youtube…
Haleigh’s hands with “gloves” or bandages at
1:06 alone and with Jr at 1:12. Both are wearing shorts and short sleeved tops and barefoot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM
(However the picture that includes Misty at 3:36 makes me want to throw Misty through a wall!)
*grandma hollars puts in claim for the $35,000 reward money* !! oh brother…i may have missed something along the way, did everyone already know about this? i found it listed in the “comments” on art harris’s blog from 5/5/10.
there was also something which sounded like rumor to me, but art has yet to respond…there are a couple claims that it was known that misty was pregnant, and ron had more or less tried to cause her a miscarriage?? anyone ever hear that, stated as fact?
one more thing is that i seem to recall hearing from art harris himself that lindsy had already threatened tommy with divorce, if he didn’t pass his LDT…i’m positive i heard that back when it first happened. that’s part of the reason he was so nervous to take it apparently…?? i did read an interesting point today, and that was if perhaps the divorce was prompted so that lindsy could be called to testify against tommy.
some things to ponder, anyway…
Good points tc.
I think I read the same thing on ah as you did about the reward but I passed over it as unsubstantiated or a maybe she will scenario. I would think ngrace would have bombshelled the hell out of that one.
Found link to original “culpret”
Quote from: islandmonkey on March 15, 2009, 02:43:06 AM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
I always go back and review CVZ’s comment sections…….now, take it for what it’s worth, but this guy says he’s local~if this is true, I’ll drive down there myself and bitch slap Misty and have Cobra handle Ron:
formerdcfinvestigator
The moto of the dcf office in palatka that would have handled this case is see no evil, hear no evil, document no evil. Where I worked investigations in Volusia County things were better with some good directors and supervisors and dedicated workers but their were also workers who would be on call and falsify going to a home my trainer and myself discovered one of these instances (it was a sex abuse allegation which is supposed to be investigated within a matter of hours —but going to the door and leaving a card can count as starting it —I was absolutely furious and later got reprimanded for making such a big deal out of it. That worker worked at the least another month before she was gone. I still don’t know if she quit or was fired.
When I think of the worst cases which I saw the worst ones always seem to have a piss soaked mattress that they sleep on. Where are the childrens toys lack of any was also consistent in these cases. Potty training is an extremely dangers time for children and a paramours have a trend of being the perpetrator of some of the most violent abuse. This child was also cared for by another extremely high risk person someone 25 and younger.
I now teach at the nearest high school to this incident and several of the students are related to her and they have all told me that they think it was them or her. One told me “everyone knew she hated Haliegh…..she was putting her fingers in boiling water…….” Ronald was known to hang out at some kind of local motorcycle gang, a known drug addict apparently with an extensive criminal history.
You might say to yourself “Why would dcf place a child there?” I couldn’t tell you but the local judge makes the final decision….however, once while investigating a backlog case from a worker who left the agency I found a twelve yoa boy that had been placed in a home with a registerd sex offender. When I spoke to the supervisor I was told that he could have contact with children if his probation allowed it. DCF placed that child there with an open case unreal. I resubmitted the case b/c I was not going to close it like that ever.
Putnams dcf is far far far worse.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4693.380;wap2
(A post copied from Clint Van Zant’s forum ~ I will try to locate the actual original post and possibly the poster)
lmao@ jaba! yes, you would think nancy definitely would have made that a “BOMBSHELL TONIGHT!!!” 😉
Haleigh i-phone pics
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h006-1.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h002-2.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h005-1.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h003-1.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h0G09.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h009.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/h007-1.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/haleigh-abuseornormalmaybethefallat.jpg
TC;
The only person to state that “Misty was pg” or tried to make Ron think she was, was Christina “Nay-Nay” Prevatt in the interview she gave Cobra/AH. In that video where she talks about “party weekend” she states that Ron attacked Misty due to pregnancy claim. So, not a lot of help there. (I’ll get link)
As per Lindsy testifying against Tommy, divorcing him is not needed. She may testify against Tommy anytime she chooses, she just can not be FORCED to. Divorce would have no bearing on her ability to testify IMO. Even if she divorces him, her right to not be forced to testify against him remains in effect since they were legally married at the time of the crime. If she wants to testify, there’s nothing holding her back.
hi hollysgmom ~
in my 2:53 ~
i stated that i had read what sounds like rumor to me…and yes, it was on ah in the “comments” section of his last post dated 5/5/10. this is where he has asked readers to write in their questions for these “key players” so that he can, at some point, ask the questions his actual readers want answered. there were a couple of people asking ah for clarification of that “rumor” as fact, but as i said, art hadn’t answered them yet.
also, i’m well versed in law…”perhaps the divorce was prompted so that Lindsy could be called to testify…”
what i was trying to elude to without saying it, was that it had been suggested that perhaps LE had made a deal with Lindsy re: immunity if she would speak out against TC on whatever she may know. i never said she had to be “forced”. the point was, that perhaps, because she didn’t want TC to THINK that she was willingly testifying, for whatever reason, she would rather divorce, and have him think she was “made” to testify against him.
again, i was only repeating what i had read…these are not my facts…
Locals discuss DCF; one Teacher, one a Cop
Posted by: runt4561 Posted on: 04/14/2010 12:34
about dcf…. i am a local cop and i had an experience yesterday. someone located a 3 year old girl on a bicycle at a local mcdonalds beside a 4 lane hwy. the little girl new her name but not her mothers name. all she said was mommy was taking a shower. i set out on foot walking down the street where she came from, looking for her house, while my partner drove around with her in the car trying to get her to point out her house. after about 30 minutes i had gone about 1 mile from the mcdonalds and i got a lead on a house where a little girl rides the style of bicycle she was on. i walked up to the house and i could hear the people inside say, “i dont know where she is at”. i knew i had found the right one. the mother did not know where she was and said the last time she saw her was a few minutes ago. keep in mind it had been over 30 minutes since we got the call until i located the house. how long does it take a 3 year old to pedal 1 mile. needless to say i can bet she was gone for about 45 minutes. mother passed it off as someone else in the house was supposed to be watching her. ridiculous.
we called dcf to report the incident and at first they did not want to investigate. we had to almost plead with them, to initiate an investigation. that kmind of thing is what is wrong with dcf. i have had too many stories like this in my career. you would think after all of the turmoil dcf has been through in the past, they would be more apt to take any and all cases. but nothing has ever changed.
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Posted by: FiveHawgs4me Posted on: 04/14/2010 12:49
Tell me about it, runt. I know as a cop you come across all sorts of situations. Being a public school teacher, I also have to deal with situations that would make most decent people disgusted. You’re right, though. I’ve called DCF several times in the past and almost every time, nothing is done. I don’t ever jump to conclusions when it comes to calling them, so each time I’ve called it’s been because I really thought the child was in danger in their current home. Most of the time, DCF is too worried about busting daycares and babysitters than doing the job they’re supposed to do…helping children and families. I’ve seen them do some good work before, but it’s few and far between from my experience. No offense if anyone works for DCF. It’s not the individuals that work there; it’s the organization.
TC;
I know YOU never said she had to be forced. I was saying that legally she can not be forced to do so, however if she chooses so she can.
ToC already knows the score…I’d bet money on it. Divorcing him will/would have no bearing on testimony. Since all the talk about testifying when Ron & Misty married, I’m pretty sure Tommy knows the deal.
I do think Lindsy was threatened to lose her children if she didn’t “get with the LE program”. (Rightly so IMO)
Sorry if I intruded, I thought I was offering knowledge or my opinion.
what a sad, sad couple of posts…the thing is, it seems that almost any state one hears about these days, there are problems with the dcf, (cps in some places). here in california, they are notoriously negligent it seems. i have seen many kids who needed to be checked on more regularly by their caseworkers…and how differently their little lives may have been, had the people “in charge” actually done their jobs.
just last week, there was a story on the news about a neglect and abuse case involving a mother and her toddler and newborn. someone called the local police to report her. the police forwarded the info to dcf/cps, which took the report and put it on the caseworker’s desk…the problem being that the caseworker they assigned was out for 2 weeks of vacation!!
and there the note sat…by the time the caseworker returned and went to investigate, one of the children was DEAD!!
inexcusable…
sorry HollysGMom… i guess i misunderstood your meaning…rereading it, i realize what you were saying with a better understanding.
*apologies*
Link to Nay~Nay’s interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1I6zOihOTw
I remember first watching this video….it makes so much more sense now…lol.
No worries…:)
Gosh, so tragic…(Post about DCFS) Something has got to change! I don;t know what, Idon’t know how….but something.
you know, i know that “back in the day” things weren’t idyllic by any means, but it seems to me that things must have run alot smoother. i’m not sure how, but it seemed like things were alot more strict in society, and things like this were immediately taken care of once reported. maybe my memory is faulty, because i was so young…i just think so many areas in society have gotten completely out of control.
I know what you mean…I constantly try to decide is it more “media” or more crime and truely I always want to come back to more crime. I don’t remember so many cases of child abuse or children being murdered. Is that due to lack of media attention, National attention (since child abuse laws were enacted post animal abuse laws) or what?
My best friend says a professor told them in class that the first child abuse case had to be filed under cruelty to animals clause because there were no laws against beating the cr@p out of your kids….We’ve come a long way baby…but still have a longer way to go.
I’m not sure how far “back in the day” toughcookie means, but I hope things are better now. I think there is more public awareness of child abuse now and less of an attitude that a child is the parents’ possession, and how parents raise their own children is no one else’s business. I think people believe that sort of thing less now.
In 1983 I had to go to the ER for stitches in my forehead because my father had thrown a large metal spoon at me. When the ER folks asked what happened, he said “I hit her with a spoon. I threw it at her, but I didn’t mean to hit her with it.” (That’s not verbatim, but that’s basically what he said.) If it was ever reported by ER, we never ever heard anything about it. I was worried they’d send someone to take me away form my home, but my dad didn’t seem to be worried about that at all. I wonder now if he was given more leeway because he was a retired firefighter/paramedic and a lot of people knew him at the hospital.
Mind you, I didn’t want anyone to tell on my father — I didn’t want to be taken away from my family. But I was only ten years old. With all that was to follow, I wish now that someone would have stood up for me.
It’s also possible it was reported but nothing ever came of it. Usually my father was good at injuring without leaving obvious injuries, so of all the incidents, that’s the only time I had to go to ER.
I’d like to think now that it would definitely be reported. Am I wrong?
Hollys Gmom, good question about the photos..
Now, as far as I know the injury was suppose to have occurred at the school in November.. and she was taken to the ER for catscan about 10 days later..
Hey, I have thrown a fit over this info in the past.. because things don’t fit. Bruising from what appears to be a broken nose would have appeared within 24 hours, Swelling would have began within moments, and her nose would have bleed very heavy.. It does not take 10 days for these type of injuries to become apparent.. Ten days later the swelling would have gone down, the bruising turned yellowish and all of the blood in the tissues causing the swelling would have really started to absorb back into the body.. Now, thats my reality, and knowledge from being an emt-basic some 20 years ago..
The photos of both the children showing the injuries were suppose to have been taken around Christmas, if not Christmas Day visiting with JS and CS, and I have been told that Connie took the photos, and that the alarm was on.. If this is the case we are seeing injury and damage to Haleigh’s face that was suppose to be a month old if it was caused at the school.
Another issue, if this injurys occured at the school, to be this severe.. there would be documentation on the injuries at the school, since Haleigh’s nose would be gushing blood from the initial injury, and I would be surprised in the school had not called both ron to the school but also ems.. Now if this did not occur? I would think the school was being slack, or the injury was not severe.. do you see my point..
This issue has never set right in my book.. and to find out this was the same case investigated twice, or is there something more than we don’t know..
Now, I am not going to disagree on smoke screens, I have ran across a whole bunch over the last 16 months.. And lots of half truths, or things just happened to be left out.. Much like the school officials noticing odd behavior from Haleigh.. Point blank that had to occur about the same time Ron was being raked over the coals for her tardy and absence.. And I do believe they took her Odd behavior (which was one of those left out things) very seriously, and I do believe they would have had to report that Odd behavior to DCF.. So, something had to be in the works with DCF at the Time Haleigh went Missing. And all must remember, the DCF investigator lived right there in area near the Family.. Santo’s Father!!!
The School issue, involving Absense and Haleigh’s Odd behavior combined – would be required to report to DCF.. Telling you, there was a dark cloud looming over Ron’s Head, it caused him to drive like a maniac in total panic that Monday morning, almost hits a group of children, and another vehicle.. Ron was scared.. but of what?? It was not just of the tardy or absence, and Haleigh arrived Tardy..
The dropping off of the clothes, see no one ever told us about ron dropping off clothes to wash with GGSykes, If he didn’t drop them off, how did she get them??? Why that morning, to get them back that night??? Everyone forget ron worked with Katrina that day?? He didn’t go back to the house to sleep,, and he fought with Katrina over Money.. Misty’s Dad was going through Surgery.. Anyone doubt that she wouldn’t be at the hospital with her family??
So who kept Junior that day?? or did he go with Misty?? No one, until GGSykes mentioned, apparently she washed so much of the kids clothing, Misty had to help carry it in??? Quanity of Haleigh’s clothes would be interesting… I could set here all morning and list the issues as they have come out, and the little things that come behind that make you say What the Heck!!!!
Now the photo with the bruising on the arm I was told that Haleigh had been in the hospital.
Not sure when, but also having conflicting info that came in on these things.. Pneumonia was one,
the issue of blisters on the hand came out as a bacterial disease that was eating at her little hands.. Told that Crystal didn’t take it serious and wasn’t using the meds on her visit, lots of throwing blame back and forth..
I think the point being.. you find an issue over the kids and you have everyone involved, marie and js, GGSykes, TN, Ron and Crystal.. It seems that their is more concern coming from the Grandparents, and Ron and crystal are more concerned with each other.. I know that sounds harsh, but after 16 months.. thats the way it is.. And the families trashing each other, good Lord have they trashed each other.. And they want to deny there has been a family war with the kids caught in the middle since they were born…
This is what I find absolutely crazy, Granted the Croslin Clan has their problems, and not a very welcome family in most neighborhoods, but for all of this case to be dumped strickly on three Croslins, and cannot look in any other direction..
So, everyone keep tracking the Croslins and look for a Dead Child,, and I’m going to picking and piecing the puzzle together, looking for a live child…. and she is alive and out there. If she wasn’t.. there wouldn’t be so much of a coverup to this date.
And I believe that when the crap finally comes down.. your going to find.. There was no abduction.. No kidnapping.. No Harm to Haleigh..
At the most, your going to find a conspiracy, illegal transfer of custody of a child.. Filing a false police report.. and intents to commit a conspiracy.. But, none will spend alot of time in jail… So, Why.. its like a snow ball rolling down hill.. it starts out with an small intent to conspire, and it grew so rapidly, that is was uncontrollable.. and now.. its a monster they don’t know what to do….
mlee — I hope you are right that Haleigh is alive and well. I’m not giving up praying and hoping for that.
the bruise on her face was recorded by school officials….
sheriff hardy’s career is over no matter what transpires next.Hes DONE! thats what you get for trying to PIN THE RAP on misty!
misty is innocent!
The picture of the bruises on Haleigh’s face were taken by Connie in November before Thanksgiving, per Connie, I believe to AH but can’t remember for sure. I remember her saying she put her Christmas tree up early. The pic also matches a pic taken by TN in november after Haleigh returned from a visit with her mother, clothes, bruising, and so on.
It was also said early on when this “rumor” was started that Haleigh was taken to the doctor after the school fall and then was taken back to ER 10 days later when she was experiencing vomiting. They did a catscan to rule out a head injury from that fall. Head injuries can cause vomiting etc.
There are a few different pics of Haleigh at the park/ball field that appear to be taken on the same day which show the bandages falling off of her hands, like they were loosely wrapped. If you look at the pics you can tell that her hands had not been “scalded” for goodness sakes. You can’t scald somebodys hands or dip them in boiling water and not cause injury to the fingers.
The rumor about burned hands was started on WS, quickly spread to SM and made it’s way to AH.
the rumor stuff is just sickening. hasn’t Haleigh been through enough?
Misty is guilty – Child endangerment (very least)and very probable of conspiracy to conceal a crime on a child)
Misty is guilty – Lying to law enforcement(changing stories and inconsistencies)
THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH ~ ONE STORY AND MISTY KNOWS WHAT IT IS…..if she was INNOCENT…she would have only one story…how many does she have to date 9 or so….IMO if she wasn’t directly responsible for the death or disappearance of Haleigh she knows who is..she is covering and Haleigh meant nothing more to her then the dirt under her shoes…or she would have been truthful from the beginning.
Can’t wait for her lying butt to be sentenced in June..if she is never held accountable for her role in this precious childs demise…SHE’LL AT LEAST BE IN JAIL FOR MOST OF THE REST OF HER LIFE IF THERE IS A GOD!!!!!!!!!
Has anyone even thought it may be the obvious? Ballpark means hitting a ball with a bat and they didnt have batting gloves so the used gauze? Batting can cause blisters without gloves on young hands. Who knows? jmo
sHERRiff Hardys’ career is over cause he believes misty holds the key to this crime along with the rest of the world?
I wonder how well you would do at solving this crime with what has transpired. Getting to the truth is hard enough without all the lies…
I put this on one of the other blogs, but I still think strongly about it…..
This is probably a case of: We will never find out where Haleigh is and we will never be able to pin it on anyone. There is no evidence of a murder, no weapon, no witnesses, no suspects and no body. No crime, except there is a missing child and a scene that appears to be an abduction.
Then we have a bunch of irresponsible adults who possibly could be involved in the dissapearance, but everyone is being proven to be liars and drug users/abusers/sellers. Most have criminal historys and some have failed lie detectors.
We have cops and specialists who have not been able to figure out where Haleigh is or who is involved in her disappearance now for over a year. They say they have several persons of interest, but don’t name them. They don’t name suspects either.
The pressure is on to clean up this case. They set up those adults connected to Haleigh through a drug bust. Still no clear answers to many questions about Haleigh. Only the public digging for dirt on the individuals and forming opinions on what their involvement was with Haleigh’s dissappearance.
At this rate, we may never find out who is involved. Seems the focus has been taken off of Haleigh and is now on gossiping about the adults, their lifestyles and what’s the latest in their daily lives. I hope we don’t have another Jon Bennet type outcome or a Jaycee Duggard scenario.
Pray that Haleigh comes home.
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Mlee, I am with you, this has totally spun out of control by every little piece of dirt found on someone being thrown into one big pot, thrown together and twisted. Meanwhile, Haleigh is gone without a trace. Seems the logic has gone too in taking a clean fresh look at the evidence or lack thereof.
This case reminds me of the Eliz. Smart one (in a way). They searched and searched for her and she was not that far away. Just a hole cut in the screen and she was gone. No trace, no leads, no body, no evidence. It was the last thing they would of thought to have happened.
So what about a family abduction? What about the TV/Air Cond. guy? What about….
If those things turn out to be true, then a whole lot of people’s lives have been ruined over this! Everyone’s but the one’s who did it.
LE has backed away from the “misty is the key” statement.
The sheriff’s career is kaput after messin with misty!
misty is innocent!
Removed the word “Wrong!!” as it can clearly be considered an argumentative word to start a fight.
edited by Jan Barrett- BNN Editor
my post above was directed to C~A …
polly klass – stranger abduction
jon benet ramsey – stranger abduction
elizabeth smart – stranger abduction
ALL abducted from their beds while there parents SLEPT!! LIKE MISTY!!!!!!!!
misty is innocent!
LE has backed away from the “misty is the key” statement.
The sheriff’s career is kaput after messin with misty!
misty is innocent!
Misty is guilty – Child endangerment (very least)and very probable of conspiracy to conceal a crime on a child)
Misty is guilty – Lying to law enforcement(changing stories and inconsistencies)
THEN THE RING LEADER ~ COUNTING OUT PILLS TO A COP..8 TIMES and taking money for them.
How do you know what’s going on in the inner minds of this investigation. Maybe that’s what they all want the public to believe. Like I mentioned…THE LIES THAT SURROUND THIS ENTIRE FAMILY WOULD MAKE IT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO SOLVE ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL OF THEM ARE HIGH ON PILLS ETC.
SO …WHO IS MESSIN WITH WHO HERE? WHO HAS BROKEN THE LAW OVER AND OVER AND HAS A MISSING CHILD ON HER WATCH AND LIES OVER AND OVER…WHO IS MESSIN WITH WHO?
The cops are messin with Misty? LMAO…there are two sides of the law here…LE’S and MISTYS’..only one of them is credible.
Advise…believe half of what you see…and none of what you hear.
I don’t give a rats azz about Hardys’ career, I mean it doesn’t affect my life. What I do care about is WHERE IS HALEIGH CUMMINGS!!!
The difference between the Smart case and any another abduction case is simple, the families have always cooperated fully. This bunch has lied, refused help, refused monies for searches, warned each other of “snitches”, changed stories, thrown each other under the bus, dealt drugs, and on and on and on. Need I say more.
C~A, I understand what you are saying, but how could someone charge Misty with being neglectful of Haleigh? Truly? Did they charge Eliz. Smarts family with neglect when they found out she was gone? Did they charge Jon Bennet’s family when they found her? What about all the lies they told and strange behavior? These people got preferential treatment compared to how Misty and the rest are treated. And all in all, it is NOT helping to find Haleigh!
I think we all want her found, but traumatizing a 17 year old (who obviously has mental issues) is not helping. Yes, she told different stories. I think it is because she is truly confused! Her brain is not normal. She has done a lot of drugs and alcohol. This is on top of an already 6th grade intelligence. She is not some mastermind that can illude the FBI, she is not some sociopathic killer either, etc. Yes, maybe something happened accidently, but do you really think these people are that brillant to cover it up and then fool LE and FBI for this long? I have my doubts. The media and the public have twisted this case into what they want it to be. I say we go back to the beginning and start over. There we may find the answer…especially if we clear our minds and refocus our direction.
misty ASKED to be tested! and voluntarily underwent 30 hours of interrogation!
She COOPERATED fully! what did that get her, but falsely charged, set up and made a scapegoat by LE!
misty is innocent!
CA: The 1 thing that I have learned in my old age is, scroll down………I always check 1st and foremost to see who the comment is coming from and then I just ……..scroll down to read something from someone that actually has some input to the topic of value……
Chin up!
Justice for HaLeigh and may all those that are guilty of any crime against this little girl no matter what, may they rot………..
Good post JenM 11:49am. Well said.
Yes, there have been lies, but look how many their were in the Jon Bennet case….OMG! They even refused to speak to police, Period! It was rediculous!
Throwing each other under the bus, snitches and dealing drugs have nothing to do with Haleigh being missing. Doing those things do not make you a killer/murderer. Maybe makes you not such a great character though. But it doesn’t mean that these people didn’t love Haleigh, any more than what other people do in their lives.
Im not saying that anyone is guilty or innocent, but I am saying that for over a year, we know what the focus has been and it is getting nowhere. If we clear our minds and go back to the beginning, this is where the answer lies.
I agree with OJ too in a way. Why would Misty agree to all this testing if she were guilty of something? Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either.
I don’t see any proof of a dead Haleigh. I see proof of a missing Haleigh. I want someone to find out who took her and who has her and where do they have her. (be it dead or alive).
I think there is a lot of pressure on LE from the top to ‘wrap this case up’, so they are not in the news or looked upon badly.
I think about how we feel that Haleigh is gone, but can you imagine how those who knew her and loved her feel? I wish someone would come forward with information (factual towards seeing, hearing or knowing something about Haleigh) and not about everything else.
What if we all just took a different approach and worked on it as hard as we do at this approach (the one that is not finding Haleigh). I wonder what we might find?
They charged Casey with child endangerment/neglect even murder in october 14/08 before they even found caylee!
Liz smarts parents co-operated and weren’t lying and doing drugs!
The didn’t charge Jons’ parents or at least didn’t suspect them for a long time because IMO they look guilty…MISTY DOES..BIG TIME.
Why do you say misty has mental issues? Has that been confirmed? Being a liar is not a mental disorder JMO
Being a drug addict is not a mental disorder. Traumatizing a liar and a addict is exactly what she needs when she has so many conflicting stories..like i said…THERES ONLY ONE TRUTH AND MISTY WAS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR HALEIGH THAT NIGHT.
If she didn’t appear to be hiding something and she co-operated without lying perhaps she would be traumatized…however. If you have seen the jail tapes…she doesn’t look traumatized to me. She has a bad attitude and is very very naive. NO different then casey anthony who guilty as well. Sociopath/narcissist who lies over and over…to cover the truth and get what they want ( away with crimes).
Sixth grade intelligence…living on the streets so to speak you learn way more about life …misty is no dummy because she can’t do algebra.
I never said misty killed haleigh, but she sure as heck is in the position she is in because of herself. What do you think she is lying for?
Why do people lie…cause they are confused..NO
Why would misty fail all the lie detector tests if the cloudy truth is what she believes then she would have passed…everytime..but only if she believes what she is saying..you see what i mean..
If she was telling the truth of what she remembered ….she’d still pass…that would not show deception if she believed what she was saying to be the truth…she fails miserable because what she is saying is NOT what she believes..
sorry…JB’s parents didn’t look guilty at first…and perhaps they are..I didn’t follow that case that much as I was quite young with young babies at the time..single mom…
The reason Misty agreed, it’s called a 6th grade education, ignorance.
There is no way that Ron Cummings should have had custody of either one of those children. If you want to be technical about it, the State is responsible for all of this. They didn’t exercise their ability to remove the children from his custody. As would have been done the morning HaLeigh went missing at the schduled hearing because of her absenteeism from school. He lied about the arrangements that he had made for child care while he was working, said his sister was his child care provider.
There is no way that charges can be brought against a parent if a child is truely taken from their home through an act of a break in. Unless, the environment proves to be the direct result of the break in do to the act of the parent, illegal act(s). Any acts that would constitute neglect or abuse.
The same reason she gave for not having a lawyer for the longest time, only guilty people have lawyers. She and Ron both claimed to have passed a LDT also but we all know LE doesnt release those facts. And 30 hrs of interegation over a year is not much when you consider all the lies she has told. And for all we know she just kept repeating Iwas asleep and Idont know anything or the longer version with all the inconsistancies in it.
And she is not the only one who has hours of interegation DVDs and files. Everyone of them has been interegated and has a file(hours).JMO
whatever guess I can’t respectfully post without being attacked.
and yes the state FAILS KIDS EVERYDAY..but they did not KILL haleigh or cause her to disappear.
What did misty agree to in ignorance??? Babysitting..??
Ronald is especially responsible as haleigh was his child and left her in truly incapable hands. Is that ok to say here?
CA: JB’s parents were both cleared by trace evidence that was found on her body that has not been identidied. The evidence that was found could not be linked to any family member or anyone else associated with JB. The case is still an opened homicide investigation.
stilllucy said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Ron was not going to a hearing for Haleigh missing school. Not sure where you got that from but the hearing was on CRYSTAL for failing to pay 12,000 worth of child support.
Casey Anthony was charged with child neglect because she didn’t report her child missing for 31 days! etc. Now, she is also the Prime Suspect in Caylees murder and is jailed for that. Parents Cindy and George have tried to cover for her, even destroying evidence (cleaning the trunk of the car, switching hair brushes, lying under oath, a whole bunch of different stories in depositions, etc.) and I don’t see them locked up!
Jon Bennets mother was suspected of being involved and so was her father, etc. They did hand writing analysis, etc. on that ransom note, they followed the father around and caught him involved in child porn in Amsterdam, there was recorded tapes of the mother saying suspicious things, also why she would turn the house alarm off that particular night, etc. They had very shady lives and weren’t treated like this. They had money and lawyers. They were never jailed.
All people lie. That is a fact!! Do you seriously believe that the drugs, alcohol and abuse suffered by Misty has not done anything to her Brain? It is an organ, just like any other organ in the body. Those things effect it severely. There is a such thing called Substance Induced Disorder. It is listed as a mental illness. Im not sure that Misty had that much street smarts either…look at that tape again of her getting busted. Not too smart confiding in some guy she doesn’t know driving the car. She is not bright, period. So don’t give her credit there. And she certainly isn’t smart enough to fool LE or the FBI.
I already explained above about how she failed those lie detectors, so I won’t go into that again.
Those are just my beliefs though. Again, not saying who is guilty or innocent, but this is a dead end road and people keep insisting that it goes through, and it doesn’t, obviously.
IT ALL comes down to the lies…if you don’t know what happened you still don’t have a need to lie or change your story…
C~A, don’t get frustrated. OJ always says Misty is innocent. I like reading everyone’s posts and thoughts.
I guess I have just read so much from every angle and it is going NOWHERE! Of course, it is really hard to do any true detective work from behind a computer and in another state, lol. But we all have our opinions and thoughts, so post away. This is what keeps it interesting.
Everyone lies.
It doesnt take a lot of smarts to just keep repeating the same story over and over. LE cant get anywhere with her because she has not told them anything but lies. Evidently she can hold up to pressure and that has nothing to do with intelligence, she is just smart enough to repeat. Or should I say stubborn. She wont break under pressure, she has lied and made up numerous stories, heck everyone in her family has said she is making up stories even Hank and Lisa. jmo
I know JenM..and thanks..
I think when this case began, the Anthonys tried to butt their nose in on it and were told to go away. It was stated from the family that they didn’t want all the publicity, especially the kind that the Anthonys bring.
Well, they have gotten it. With a lot of people asking questions, there gets to be a lot of rumors and lies going around. There is also a lot of twisting of words and facts, not to mention putting a twist on a made up story.
Seriously, I don’t think any of us know what was truly said or if what we were told was truly said. We know what we get from the media…and I won’t go there, and we get info that others post. Gosh, before we could communicate on our computers, how did things get solved?
Anyway, I would just like LE to take a fresh look at what really happened. Maybe they have and maybe that is why all the silence this last week or so from LE.
Crystal’s hearing for back support filed by the State was scheduled for the end of March/09. Trying to find the info.
outta here…later
The ex-bride has been lying since day one! The ex-bride has failed multiple truth tests! The ex-bride is guilty of withholding evidence , conspiracy to cover up evidence , and accessory to murder!
I wonder if this certain lawyer is Shoemaker? Seems Tommy and Lindsy mention Ron beating on Misty. This doesnt make his client appear very good. and they also said they thought Misty was covering for him. Hank also is heard telling Misty to not be covering for Ron. jmo
your just instigating aren’t you heyitssmelly?
The non-support case was filed within a day or so of HaLeigh’s disappearance, but was on the docket for the end of March-09. Ron was scheduled to answer as to HaLeigh’s absenteeism from school on 2-10-09, closed hearing with DCF. It was all posted here the other night and now I can’t find it. If Cathy comes by, she may be able to help out or Tobias. I do believe they were involved in the conversation.
Omayjsglove..misty may be innocent of murder (and that is a huge if) but you absolutely would have to be out of your frggin mind to think for one second that she s innocent of childneglect, traffcng and prolly a few more FELONIES! Also… believe it when they say “lyng to nvestgators is a felony !
so careful when you state mistys innocence…t confuses some. Also, way earlier n the blog here, cathyjoe and karen? were talkng about crack and ts side effects,
as some of you know,I am a recoverng addct. I have had the unpleASANT experience of using crack about a handful of times…and ‘m here to tell you that f tommy was usng this deadly drug, HE WAS VERY CAPABLE AND ABSOLUTELY COULD HAVE BECOME ANGRY ENOUGH TO KILL SOMEONE…ANYONE, AND WITH A CHILD, THE CHANCE S INTENSIFIED. If he was in need of a hit, BAD…hostlty and anger become so intense anything can happen and DOES! I was very lucky to have survived my years of chemical and alcohol abuse for that I am grateful. also, please excuse the typos, ‘m on a loaner puter. Happy Mothers day everyone!
I believe Mr. Fields may be the reason Hank and Lisa arent visiting any more. He is said to be mad about Mistys letter and has(according to Hank) been angry with her, could he be asking the family not to visit so there are no tapes like Rons lawyer has ???/ jmo
CA: Sometimes those of us with criminal histories get a little fussy and always blame LE for everything that’s wrong in the world… If, you catch my drift…….
OK I see there could be a problem in here if things go the same as they are between OJ’s Glove and C~A.
Just because someone else thinks different from you OJ’s Glove, it doesn’t mean they are trying to be a judge . You have stuck with your thoughts on this case from the beginning which I admire, but it doesn’t mean everyone thinks like you do and it doesn’t mean they are foolish. You know I don’t approve of name calling no matter how simple you think it might be. It only causes problems so I am asking you one last time to stop it.
It is clear that a lot of people disagree with you and I am sure it gets frustrating trying to convince everyone why you feel like you do, but we all have to remember that none of us have the answers yet, so it isn’t fair to call one another wrong.
Just hearing this or that given as fact even if it is family, doesn’t make what they say true in the case. Unless one was actually there and part of what happened to Haleigh, we can’t say who is innocent and who is not. We can only say what our opinions are.
So please, everyone remember that when you don’t agree with someone else’s opinion. Try to respect them for having an opinion even though you might not agree.
We need to keep it friendly in here. I really don’t want to close the comments down because no one can get along. Forget the petty fighting and in the case you don’t agree with someone just ignore what they say and move on. PLEASE!
btw… I am removing the comments concerning this argument.
Thanks and I hope you all have a great weekend.
Jan Barrett
The ex-bride will be found guilty in drug trafficking and will spend many years in prison!
Tobias: Makes perfect sense. You know Misty is flipping out. She always wanted visits. Wonder what Fields’ is doing about her making calls to Grandma Flo?
WhyLie said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
stilllucy said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Ron was not going to a hearing for Haleigh missing school. Not sure where you got that from but the hearing was on CRYSTAL for failing to pay 12,000 worth of child support
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good luck on getting her to change that misinformation,she’s been told the correct info for over a week.
ok jan…appreciate all you do.
He may have threatened to quit her after the letters and boat ramp came out so she may have agreed to have no contacts until this drug case is over, just a guess but if we dont get any tapes from her I would assume its whats happened. jmo
So, I’m not losing my mind? We did clear that up already, right?
Haleigh’s hand were not burned and not put in scalding water, that is a lie/rumor started at WS over a year ago.
The father was notified by the Putnam Co. School Board about Haleigh’s absenteeism and was well beyond just being warned about it!
LOL Misty may get writers cramp if thats the only way she can communicate to Chelsea and Timmy now. She may also get better with her writing skills so its a win win situation. LOL jmo
Yeah, good for Misty – she can improve her writing skills. Don’t use it, you lose it – true for everyone, not just her.
Big picture of Putnam County, according to Jeff Hardy when he ran for sheriff against incumbent Kelly:
*Putnam County ranks 4th in the state for counties with the worse crime rate. Only behind Jacksonville, Orlando and Miami.
*For counties with a population less than 100,000 and similar in size, Putnam County has the worse record and is ranked number one.
Also education even at its highest levels has nothing to do with common sense. I know several people who have masters degrees that have problems with everyday events and communicating with average people. So Mistys education is not a factor unless she was asked to take a test for knowledge.
Its not like her brain just stopped developing at age 12-13. jmo
treece said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 2:08 am
OK I would like to know some truth about these fingers in boiling water.
If there is any truth to Misty putting Haleigh’s hands in boiling water and Ron stayed with her and Crystal didn’t beat her ass and all of them didn’t press charges on Misty, none of them deserve her.
Like I said I have to go to bed but let’s see if we can come up with proof of just this one thing.
Mlee would you please verify if there was any info to back this up. What do you know about Misty putting Haleighs hands in boiling water?
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It never happened treece and we found out the truth of the matter at WSs over a year ago and the matter was dropped.I don’t know why these old rumors/lies are being brought up again over a year later..
tobias said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Also education even at its highest levels has nothing to do with common sense. I know several people who have masters degrees that have problems with everyday events and communicating with average people. So Mistys education is not a factor unless she was asked to take a test for knowledge.
Its not like her brain just stopped developing at age 12-13. jmo
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that’s true tobias, education doesn’t always equal common sense. I also know a lot of people with book smarts but don’t have a lick of common sense..
Just curious Vaq what was the truth you found out about the incident? I havent posted on it but I saw the pictures a long time ago. jmo
sheriff hardy’s career is over.
he tried to make misty the scapegoat and its backfired! GOOD!..he “railroaded” himself!
The ex-bride has “railroaded” herself with her lies! Her lies has put her in prison for a long time!
stilllucy said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
The non-support case was filed within a day or so of HaLeigh’s disappearance, but was on the docket for the end of March-09. Ron was scheduled to answer as to HaLeigh’s absenteeism from school on 2-10-09, closed hearing with DCF. It was all posted here the other night and now I can’t find it. If Cathy comes by, she may be able to help out or Tobias. I do believe they were involved in the conversation
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It was filed on the 3rd
http://imm.io/saH
again Ron did not have a hearing with DCF or anyone. Either post the proof or stop spreading false info.
Hi, Vaquera,
One reason I can think of is to just make it appear Ron abused Haleigh – just for the hey of it.
Mlee mentioned something about a bacterial infection being the reason for gauze on her hands. I thought that was possible from the get go.
Possibilities are numerous: She may have put her hands in swamp water, developed a fungal infection, or as children do in the wooded areas where I live, touched poison oak or ivy plants, scratched the resultant blisters, and developed a secondary infection.
There’s even gossip out there about Lisa and Flora not having teeth because they have a genetic disorder. A ‘Cheryl’ is one of the originators, if not the only one, to start that.
more copies from first coast of the contempt charges on Crystal..
http://imm.io/saY
http://imm.io/sb2
http://imm.io/sb4
Not agreeing totally with Cheryl but in the area they live there is a genetic defect or enviormental defect that causes a problem with the break down of the enamel on thier teeth. I it is documented. Also in the central north eastern states there are high incidence of Goiters (low iodine). So it could be a factor. jmo
I agree, Tobias, a genetic disorder is possible, but it’s just rumor.
Saliva ph, dry mouth,sugars, etc., affect mouth bacteria.
Anyhow, just pointing out one of the most personal rumors that surely has absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh.
Jason said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Hi, Vaquera,
One reason I can think of is to just make it appear Ron abused Haleigh – just for the hey of it.
Mlee mentioned something about a bacterial infection being the reason for gauze on her hands. I thought that was possible from the get go.
Possibilities are numerous: She may have put her hands in swamp water, developed a fungal infection, or as children do in the wooded areas where I live, touched poison oak or ivy plants, scratched the resultant blisters, and developed a secondary infection.
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Your first statement is correct. 😉 You can see from the pictures she is not in pain as she was playing, gauze just keeps the dirt out and keeps her from scratching.
Vaquera,
She could have even been playing ‘dress-up’ as a nurse, or patient.
Hey, maybe she had a little boo-boo and wanted the whole 9 yards of gauze on her hands.
Speculation could go on, and on . . .
It will be interesting though to see what was rumour and what was not when this all gets solved. Right? I think some are questioning things because at one time it was said to be rumour that Ron was using drugs and now we know that is a fact.Now some wonder what else is fact. Guess we will eventually find out and I can wait, instead of going on the bandwagon of rumours.jmo
stilllucy said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
stilllucy this is from the ct docs. Crystal was facing contempt of court charges for failing to pay child support. She was notified of the hearing just days before Haleigh went missing. It was scheduled for 3/27.
There is no documents saying that Ron had a hearing over missed school days.
2009-02-10 056.MOTION FOR CONTEMPT 03-27-09 AT 08:30
2009-02-20 057.NOTICE OF DISMISSAL
2009-03-17 058.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE – KIM PICAZIO FOR CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD
I guess since the lawyer doesnt like the fact that Simon played the vids for us, he isnt going to put the rest of them up for us….Please, Simon, put the rest of them up for us,,,,also,,,,,HAPPY MOTHERS DAY, to all mothers here on this site…..
There are documents of Haleighs unexcused days and tardies on AH site. School records are documents and she did miss alot of days un excused excused and tardies. Enough to warrent a warning or worse.jmo
Poor little girl,,,never had a chance…This is so sad and just thinking what other children have to live in, makes me ill.
I am really interested in which Lawyer is a little upset about the tapes. Ennie, meenee,minee or moe? lol guess we will have to wait to know. jmo
Tobias,I agree and also imho….they asked for the ld to look good in the public eye,they knew they’d fail before they took it,but how easy it is for every excuse in the wrold,no sleep,my nerves,medication,I heard years ago you could stick a copper penny in your mouth to pass one,ridiculous i know but i do believe they thought they’d pass and it would look better if they failed to say the asked for the ld? because……they were gonna have to take them anyway basically right??
if they’d refused it would look worse on them,but they had to take it or not either way ya know? everybody has excuses!
Tobia Re:
tobias said,in May 8th, 2010 at 2:17 pm It will be interesting though to see what was rumour and what was not when this all gets solved. Right? I think some are questioning things because at one time it was said to be rumour that Ron was using drugs and now we know that is a fact.Now some wonder what else is fact. Guess we will eventually find out and I can wait, instead of going on the bandwagon of rumours.jmo
I still get flustered by the Geraldo video,No i do not hit my child,i whip them the way dcs says i can???????
obviously that says they’d warned him or he had been accused of it??
I know i never had dcs tell me how to whip or punish Ota Jo!
FYI…..my daughters name is Ota Jo….. pronounced like Oat Uhhh……..lol most think its Auto??? lol figured i’d just fill ya in!
My Amoms name was Ota so she’s named for her!my middle name is Jo! lol just so yas know,lol
I dunno how the hands got bandaged but i don’t believe anyone put them in scalding water,even if they HAD been scalded kids turn on the water too not knowing its that hot!
If WS Started that they should be shut down,Don’t ask me why but I always believed WS was a truthful place,only stated facts because they were mentioned in Caylee’s case as being so……so if I thought that ,I am sure others believed what they read there too!
It should be shut down Pronto!
Thank You Jan and Simon,I was thinking just the other day how much better it had gotten in here,even my behavior,lol I don’t leave myself out of nuthin’lol
Alot of us have different opinions but we nod and go on! I hate to see that end!
cathy, there is another post for today seems there is going to be a panel who worked on Simons theory. Peter, Simon and some of the others who were there in the beginning( could be alot of people). When I read Peters analysis it makes a lot of sense. jmo
NEW POST FOR THE 8 TH.
One of the problems with believing Misty could purposely hurt Haleigh is we have never seen her act violent or threatening. Not to say she’s not capable. With Ronald however, we have absolutely heard him use threats of violence, and also be charged with the like. It has been said that Misty failed all of her tests, but she can’t be all too smart if she would submit to them knowing she’s lying. Ronald has been lawyered up and seems to have more wherewithall. We don’t know for sure if he passed his LDT, but he says he did, ???
The Croslins are a very dysfunctional family, but doesn’t make them mean people I guess.
It is almost impossible to take drugs out of the equation since they do effect a person’s ability to rationalize or reason.
Having said all that my question is “what happened to Haleigh?” Still no answers.
@ jason ~ thanks for the stats on the putnam county crime info. i had wondered if it was just me thinking that since this case has broken in the news, there seems to be so many others crimes we have heard about in such a small geographic area…i’m wondering if the whole county is as socio-economically depressed…usually that is the main factor for a high crime rate.
also wanted to say re: the subject of missing teeth~~if it is true about the drug use rumors amongst some of the parents, as well as their children~ tooth loss is one of the main “side-effects” of using meth (crack, etc). even young people who use steadily, will experience the rotting and falling out of their teeth.
imo
methinks said,in May 8th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Omayjsglove..
misty may be innocent of murder (and that is a huge if) but you absolutely would have to be out of your frggin mind to think for one second that she s innocent of childneglect, traffcng and prolly a few more FELONIES! Also… believe it when they say “lyng to nvestgators is a felony !
so careful when you state mistys innocence…t confuses some. Also, way earlier n the blog here, cathyjoe and karen? were talkng about crack and ts side effects,
as some of you know,I am a recoverng addct. I have had the unpleASANT experience of using crack about a handful of times…and ‘m here to tell you that f tommy was usng this deadly drug, HE WAS VERY CAPABLE AND ABSOLUTELY COULD HAVE BECOME ANGRY ENOUGH TO KILL SOMEONE…ANYONE, AND WITH A CHILD, THE CHANCE S INTENSIFIED. If he was in need of a hit, BAD…hostlty and anger become so intense anything can happen and DOES! I was very lucky to have survived my years of chemical and alcohol abuse for that I am grateful. also, please excuse the typos, ‘m on a loaner puter. Happy Mothers day everyone!***************************
MeThinks……..first of all…….Congratulations on the Day of your ReBirth!
That is the name I gave my sobriety…because it is a day your life begins again! Hugs to you,muah,muah,muah!
I am glad you posted that but No i did not know but i am thankful that you can tell us about that experience,I wish you never had it but since you did and have overcame it thank you for sharing information that only a person whose been there can give,thats why i said,on pills and weed,you can remember everything,but Thank God i never did that but who knows if one day i wouldn’t have when the pills and weed no longer did what i wanted them to do!
And i have always heard???????????? people are capable of anything on that stuff so now i know it’s true because YOU have been there and I know You and it helps us all when you can give the information we can only wonder about!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank You,and my heart is so proud that You made it as i did……..Looks like we made it,lol happy song now huh?
I guess theres a blessing in everything if you look hard enough because how would I know right now what i didn’t know a few minutes ago,if you hadn’t been there and shared your story with all of us here!
You Go GirlFriend!
Happy Mothers Day to you also!
omg wowwwwww Tobias ty!!
Y/W, Toughcookie. It’s a small county with the highest crime rate of all counties in FL of comparable size.
Probably a lot of friends and family working together in LE, and they know who is doing what.
CathyJo63 said,
in May 8th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
If WS Started that they should be shut down,Don’t ask me why but I always believed WS was a truthful place,only stated facts because they were mentioned in Caylee’s case as being so……so if I thought that ,I am sure others believed what they read there too!
It should be shut down Pronto!
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Cathyjo, 90% of the rumors that are now taken as fact came from WS in the rumor thread that went on for many months before it was finally shut down.These same people that originally posted them go all over the boards/blogs and still repeat it to this day.
Yes, I agree that a lack of education does not mean that you have no common sense. However, if you take a child and ‘allow them’ to drop out of school in 6th grade (and who knows what grade she really stopped brain functioning at for learning) then there are issues. Then, if that child lives a life of drugs, prostitution, emotional and sexual abuse, then add a lot more problems. To say these things are not a factor in Misty’s ability to think, reason, use judgment is not correct. Drugs use and abuse alone could explain her behaviors. There are diagnosed mental illnesses that explain a lot of her behaviors (mood changes, confusion, one word answers, inability to concentrate, inability to attend school, etc).
Now, does she have something diagnosed? Not that we are aware of. I highly doubt that Mental Health screening or treatment is high on anyone’s priority in that family. She is at an age where she could have a disorder occur, but people tend to deny mental illness because they are afraid of it or don’t understand it. About 80 -90% of people with some form of it also have alcohol and drug issues. Just her envioronmental exposure is a factor.
Also, Misty and Tommy both have droopy eyes, low set ears, etc. Sorry, but there is something wrong! You can see it when you first look at them. Genetically, medically and psychologically. It is not normal to prostitute out of 6th grade and do drugs.
We are not dealing with your average everyday people here. I think if something did happen to Haleigh, then it was done in an “altered state of mind”. (Just like Casey Anthony was probably in “severe mania” mixed with a psychotic episode. However, she seems to be in permanent lala land). I always say, “Desperate people, do desperate things!” and that applies to ‘everyone’.
jenM ~
was just wondering where it was said that misty “was prostituted out of 6th grade” ?
i may have missed something, but i never heard that before.
Misty and Ron with their chain smoking, seem to be self-medicating to me! Not to mention the other substances for self medicating (pot, pills and alcohol). They are all addicted.
I am going to try and put the focus back on Haleigh being abducted and see where it goes, as nothing is coming out about Haleigh from looking at those in jail.
So, back to ‘motives’ for Haleigh’s dissapearance. A real live motive to me is Crystal’s owing 12,000 in back payments. I think her family was pretty upset about this too. They all probably thought it was unfair for Ron to have the kids, and then it must of been a slap in the face for them to be calling Misty momma! Maybe they didn’t like Misty picking their grandchildren up from school, making their dinner, putting them to bed. Especially not a 17 year old that Crystal hated. This could push her or her family right over the edge, without much pushing. Maybe the family acted because they beleived Haliegh was being abused, but knew there was no way that Crystal would ever get custody of her.
It’s very possible that her family had taken it upon themselves to get Haleigh and Jr out of there that night, knowing that Misty was sleeping or high (or gone). Abductions by the non parental family is very common. (remember, desperate people do desperate things, especially when they feel helpless to fight what they think is wrong). Maybe they got Haleigh out and were gonna go back and get Jr, but Misty woke up. Maybe this person or persons took Haleigh through the woods where the dogs tracked her scent and put her in a boat? It is highly possible. I don’t rule her family out as the abductors!
Go back and look at the tapes of Crystal and her Mom. No way is this a mother whose child that has just been taken. No way does her family show anything either. Crystal was too busy trying to get Kim to help her get Jr.. Her focus wasn’t on Haleigh. I think NG brought it to light that Crystal is a Liar, and soon after, Kim dropped her. I know ‘good ole’ Cobra was helping her and so was Steve (I solved this case) Brown , but it’s because they too were blinded by these stories and theories. We all know that neither one of them are on the up and up and are looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
I see no one else with motive, but that side of the family. Other than that, (again having to do with the focus of abduction), it could of been the AC guy or maybe even someone who overheard him talking about the home situation or someone he who told about it. Maybe him or someone else went back looking to see what they could get. Who knows. And it certainly could of been a pedophile somewhere. (But, reportedly the lights were on and LE thinks it was someone she knew. Surely they would know to turn the lights on too if they knew she was afraid of the dark, right?)
But, if that child was harmed, killed or died in that home, I think there would of been some sort of evidence. Just my thoughts.
I didn’t mean she was “prostituted out of 6th grade” but that “she prostituted” out of 6th grade. I read and heard that she had been prostituting for several years. If she was 17, then that would of made her 14 most likely. And she never went past 6th grade, so she prostitued sometime since then. That is what I meant. Sorry if I worded it wrong.
What about that crackhead in Fla. that sold her kid to that guy to pay her drug debt and get a hit of crack…I think about $200.00 total for it all? They caught him on hotel cameras carrying the little girl into the elevator. Did they ever find that little girl. I think she was 5. The mother was charged for selling her daughter for prositution.
Is it possible that Haleigh was sold for a debt owed?
Wow, and here I was thinking I was talking to tv star, Eve Plumb as JAN BRADY.
The comments still stand minus the reference to this site being a place to discuss.
@JenM ~ ok…thanks for clarifying that. i understand what you’re saying.
i still think that they have the key players, all right there in jail. i truly don’t believe that CS and family had anything to do with it. LE are trained and used to, pathological liars and manipulators. of course they make mistakes in judgement at times, but i don’t think that they are fooled by this bunch. LE knows alot more than they are telling, and for good reason. i for one, am glad to see that for once, in a case that is getting so much media hype and attention, they are taking their time, playing it all out to its conclusion. so many times, it seems, LE jumps the gun, and then aren’t able to get the prosecution. with this case, there has been many untruths and confusion. happy to see they are going over things meticulously.
Yes, that is true too. However, I wonder if they arrested them just to get them in jail to put the pressure on OR to satisfy the public’s pressure (or from those above them)to get the case resolved? Surely putting them in jail has not changed the fact that they still have no evidence, body or suspects. I think if they were able to go over things meticulously, they could of done it without them in jail and all the media attention. I think that having them out would give a better chance at catching them, because they talk to more people, etc. But, I don’t know. It seems they should of solved this a while back, and maybe either bungled it or didn’t give it the attention it needed. I remember one of the news reporters doing a news report that said it wasn’t getting the attention because it was a poor area of the state and not that many people cared. That was so sad.
On another note, I still can’t imagine Ron leaving work to come home and kill one of his children then go back to work. That is just beyond reason or motive and makes no sense to me. However, I do think it is possible that he was threatened for not having the gun that Joe went to get. Maybe someone came back to the MH and took Haleigh to teach him they were serious. That’s why Joe split town, because he wanted no part of it. Ron wouldn’t tell, because he or his family would be next….if he ratted out a gang that deals in stolen drugs.
Also the other way that Ron may of been involved is that he was trying to get “out of a gang” and I know from the things I have read and studied, that they don’t like that and they do bad things to your family if you try. He may of been told to start getting pills too, to prove he was still loyal to the gang…we just don’t know.
There is something going on though. LE is awfully quiet this last week. Hopefully we will get a BOMBSHELL soon.
Meant….if he ratted out a gang that deals in stolen guns.
JenM said,in May 8th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
This is the most logical theory IMO. Many have not looked at it seriously for 15 months because LE has persistently stated their focus has always been on one person; Misty and she is the key to solving this case.
Snipped by me from your post:
“I am going to try and put the focus back on Haleigh being abducted and see where it goes, as nothing is coming out about Haleigh from looking at those in jail.”
I have been waiting for all to realize this and come together in this effort. It is a no win discussion at this point IMO because it becomes a debate and there is no evidence to support either argument.
If anything I am of the opinion that the only evidence that LE had from day one was that HaLeigh was abducted from her bed by someone she knew very well.
I can not see continuing the in the dark debate of who done it any longer; because it should never have been a debate about who was a better parent.
No public side taking needed to be enticed in a obvious ongoing custody war between the Cummings and the Sheffield’s. The publics focus should of never been removed from HaLeigh’s abduction and directed and manipulated by those that have had an agenda that did not involve finding HaLeigh.
I now am going to just wait for LE to show their cards and hear the fat lady of justice sing.
No more debates.
No more theories.
No more rumors.
NO MORE LIES.
Without a reasonable doubt……. all the guilty will be convicted and serve time for all the crimes that where committed in HaLeigh’s name and the harm done to this precious baby, by those that claim to love her.
I posted the originator of this “rumor”. It was a person posting as an EX-INVESTGATOR and CURRENT High school teacher at Palatka High…on CLint Van Zant’s article.
SO how does that make it WS/s rumor? Was it a person FROM WS who posted as a teacher who had previously been a DCFS investigator?
It bothers me that it’s being attributed (and discarded) as a WS rumor when it did not originate there….
HGmom
It doesn’t really matter where it originated from it is still what it is a unfounded rumor and IMO a fabricated lie. Crystal never nor did she have Kim P. mention or claim Haleigh’s hands had been injured and believe me if she could of proved that it happened it would of been gold in her quest for custody of Jr.
IMO when it is all said and done WS will have to answer for some persons/posters insertion into this case and their effect that have caused many innocents to be unjustly dumped on that are involved in this case and IMO the guilty to rule the roost.
The basement was a members only area and is where the rumor thread was and the Welcome Family and Friends and anyone that claimed to have inside information.
The rumor thread was just one of the threads that allowed irresponsible posting that has misdirected many in the search for the truth in this case. The thread that Welcomed Family and persons that claimed to be on the inside or had a close source where allowed to spoon feed lies and rumors to all its members and again misdirect those that wanted the truth and where willing to participate in seeking misguided justice for the Sheffield’s and never HaLeigh.
The sad part is that many talented people that had been contributing skills that could of possible helped in this investigation in the beginning where slowly but surely weeded out by the attacks or just stopped posting all together because the truth was always being over shadowed by rumors,lies and arguments that served no constructive purpose in finding HaLeigh. JMO
I am waiting for the arrests and then we all will know the truth, finally.
TM39;
I agree that it is most likely baseless (hands burned rumor). What is bothering me is that for months now everyone has said that WS rumor mill was all BS but then some of the rumors have been proven true. So which “rumors” were just rumors and which were actually true statements that others didn’t like or wanted to discount for whatever reason.
If it didn’t originate there why insist it did? Maybe it WAS a WSer who posted that on Clint’s article but then again we don’t know for sure.
I don’t care about Sheffields, Cummings, Neves, Sykes, Croslins, ….NONE of them…just the truth for Haleigh…whatever that truth might be. No matter who it hurts.
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