It has been more than a year since then five year old Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her bed in Satsuma, Florida. The little girl is still missing. According to sources close to the case credible leads have all but dried up, the major source of tips at the moment are from Psychics.
From day one Law Enforcement said ‘no stranger abduction’. This is a line that they have stayed with.
There are three families implicated, the biological mother Crystal Sheffield, the bio dad Ronald Cummings, and the live in babysitter/lover/wife/ex wife Misty Croslin.
All three families seem to share the same predilection for illicit drugs. A common thread?
There is no doubt in the press’s mind that PCSO has the hammer down on the Croslin family. Yet they also seem to have both the Sheffield’s and Cummings in the ‘cross hairs’.
Bio mom Crystal managed to achieve what a high priced (pro bono) lawyer could not achieve, she now has custody of Ron Junior. Of course this change in Junior’s status only came about as a result of father Ronald Cummings being arrested. Crystal has subsequently failed at least one drug test! I do not play the game of being an Advocate for anything. But it seems a possibility that Junior has jumped out of the Cummings frying pan and into the Sheffield’s fire.
Ronald Cummings seems to be set for the long term. He has plead not guilty to the charges he faces, DRUG TRAFFICKING.
It is the Croslin family that makes for the most interest though. Misty Croslin sits in jail and faces more than 75 years behind bars. The cops did what can only be viewed as a sting operation. Misty did not sell once, she sold multiple times to an undercover officer. To add stupidity to insult she actually managed to get the charges increased from 5 to 7 could this be based on her jail house phone calls?
Her father Hank Croslin was in court yesterday facing Doctor Shopping charges. As he was leaving court his wife Lisa Croslin was picked up on some kind of fraud charge involving an incident at the Palatka Wal-Mart around Christmas.
Tommy Croslin continues to cool his heels behind bars. Tommy was also swept up in the drug deal.
All of the Croslin’s seem to be relying on Timmy Croslin to bail them out, or at least send them money to buy stuff at the jail commissary and supply funds for their phone calls. His tax refund check is not going to go very far!
Although I have not had time to confirm it, there are rumors that even Teresa Neves is facing some issues. There appears to be a civil case attempting to evict her.
At this rate it would appear that there is a strong possibility that we are going to see the vast majority of the major figures surrounding Haleigh Cummings inside for a good long time.
Yesterday the St Augustine authorities released two more DVD’s these contain the undercover videos of the drug operation against Misty, Tommy, and Ronald.
The Sky 97.3 and Blogger News is in the process of getting the raw data, we have seen snatches care of some friends in Jacksonville, and the evidence looks damning. From what I have seen it is clear that Misty is the ringleader.
I wonder if there is any truth in the rumor that Putnam County are changing the Welcome To Putnam County road sings to include the slogan ‘Pill Capital Of Florida’ or if the Patatka City council are going to be renaming the main street to Oxy Ave.
Simon Barrett
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It looks like we are dealing with a bunch of narcissitic individuals who care more about themselves than poor little Haleigh. I am not saying they do not love her or even miss her, but they come first. They all keep saying they feel Haleigh is alive, then why are they not searching? Not taking up for the Sheffield/Griffis family, but I have heard more out of their camp than the Cumming/ Neves/ Sykes and Croslins. Just this morning I saw Marie speaking out for Haleigh at the Justice Coalition along with many others that have missing or found deceased family members. The video of it is on Channel 4 news Jacksonville, fl website. Why do none of them attend these functions and speak out for Haleigh? I continue to have hope that Haleigh will be found alive.
Ronald not wanting the UC to tell anyone about him doing the drug deals because they were going to start thinking about a drug deal gone bad or some drug thugs came and took her made me sick to my stomach. All he was worried about there is that the suspicion would point to him for Haleighs disappearance. He was not at home pacing the floors waiting for Haleigh to come home and taking the proper care of his son Ronald Jr.. Crystal needs to get off of what she is on and give Jr. a good safe home to be in. Haleigh and Jr. are the only victims here.
LOL Simon…yer’ funny! I was wondering though, In your article you mentioned Misty possibly getting more charges due to her jailhouse calls. I thought those charges were coming anyway. I thought they were from the last buy, and the reason they were pending is/was in case the last deal didn’t go as planned so they waited to charge them with that.
looking for Justice:
I feel sure that if the Justice Coalition had had an event like this a while back that R, TN, and Annette would have attended also – if they’d been invited. Do you know if they were invited? I do not think that either of them are involved in Haleigh’s disappearance and care as much about her as Marie does.
And, frankly, I did not see any more “looking” for Haleigh by that side of the family than the other months ago. Right now they have the upper hand so to speak and mostly because they have not been caught for their crimes – and C got off with a free rehab program when she was caught the last time.
I really hate this family rivalry crap (theirs and here on the blogs) and would prefer some consideration given at least to TN and Annette who are equally grieving.
Simon or methinks: I must have missed that conversation. Did M really mention two other times she sold dope that LE didn’t know about so they charged her for them based on that?
LOL! and TIA!
m2c, Yes she did in her first video visit with her dad. He asked her how many times she sold and she said 8 times. In the beginning, I thought she was only charges with six sales.
“…narcissitic individuals who care more about themselves than poor little Haleigh…”
That sums up everyone involved – Sheffield, Cummings, Neves, Croslin, Sykes… who did I forget.
I want to clearly state that I do think that Haleigh was loved by her family and Ron was probably a ”good” father by his definiation. Afterall, he never ‘knew’ his own dad – he was raised by his maternal grandmother and grandfather.
But, ”love” was not enough… especially when you put your own needs first. What was Ron thinking?
Simon –
Obviously, it is EVERYTHING that is wrong with this picture – but more interestingly, what is MISSING from this picture – in large part, especially regarding those incarcerated – are CIGARETTES!
But most of all, what is NEEDED in this picture is a wider perspective as to who else is holding information key to solving this mystery – an individual or individuals other than MISTY CROSLIN.
Having followed this case from the beginning I am almost certain that had Misty really held the key to uncovering Haleigh’s whereabouts – it would have surfaced by now.
Notwithstanding Leonard Padilla’s efforts in being ready and able to spring Misty in exchange for hard information, even this door to freedom has remained locked. You’d think that if she really knew, she would have taken the offer.
So what really is WRONG with this picture – is that the focus by too many remains squarely on Misty and nothing thus far has changed.
The child did not disappear into thin air. There is an explanation. There is a body. Haleigh is somewhere. And there is someone other than Misty who knows – and is not telling. The question remains – will the truth ever come out?
That’s what is wrong with this picture. We remain at un ease over this. We feel bad and ache over a child who didn’t ask for a world she was unfortunately born into.
MA
Everyone is asking what was Ron thinking (in reguards to Haleigh) I ask what was he thinking when Junior was counting on him to be there instead of in jail for dealing drugs?
Shows how little his last remaining child mattered to him, doesnt it? jmo
m2c, I don’t believe you have to be invited to these events, not sure. I know for a fact that they could have attended the vigil of hope, but chose not to because the A’s were attending or that was the reason that was released in the press. Even if it was not Ron that attended someone from their side of the family could have attended to represent Haleigh. If you noticed I spoke about Crystal as well in my post.
If you think back all was quiet from the Cummings and then Ron and Tommy had their altercation. It did not take long for the Cummings to hit the media and speak out for Haleigh. This took place up until Misty and Ronald were divorced. After the Maury Povich show , nothing quiet again. It was not until after the road rage and then getting busted for trafficking drugs that all of this is back in the media. I do not think for one second that Teresa Neves or Annette Sykes is involved; nor have I ever stated that at all!Now Ronald, I have said it many times I am suspicious of him, but not 100% convinced.
Why is it when we hear about missing Haleigh is after Ron gets in trouble? All I am saying I have heard about other events from the maternal side without any negative display occuring?
If I had to suspect any Sheffield; it would be Johnny Sheffield. He and Ron both seem to think they are untouchable when it comes to LE.
misty’s father is setting her up like a bowling pin..wheres her lawyer? Hes incompetent at best and possibly complicit with the police.
I bet all the lawyers are ready to have break downs with this bunch. Can you imagine everytime one of them gets into trouble they have to work harder ( FREE NO LESS) to defend them? Funny that they are the only ones that need lawyers or is someone representing the Sheffields ? jmo
m2c,
why do you correct other people’s posts? do you really feel we need to read your corrections of others opinions and feelings or the way they state them? i know looking for justice is someone i have great respect for. she is someone who is open minded to all possibilities in this case. and i admire the way she contributes to this blog.
please just post you own thoughts and feelings. and just agree and disagree with debatable points. it is obvious you are a really smart lady and you always give me something to think about when you do that. i wish i could follow this case as well as you and also to be able to debate as well with others when you debate specific possibilities/points in the case.
i am really tired of you telling others how to blog fairly. please give us all some credit for our own interpretations of what is fair. moo
Is there a show today on blog talk radio?
oh that is a great idea tobias!
Just wondered because last week there was one because of all the excess news. jmo
Tobias – No program today, but we are in the process of getting the Under Cover narc tapes loaded. If we see something compelling it is possible that we will do a special tomorrow, and we will be on the air on Sunday with our regular program.
Why havent any of the tapes from Ron and TN been released? Seems to be alot of the Croslins and none of the Cummings????jmo
ms p:
I also have a great deal of respect for looking for justice and her perspectives and insights. She and I have had a number of good “conversations” and even when we disagree we disagree with respect for each other.
I did not TELL anyone what they can or cannot write. I expressed my opinions. Would you please stop TELLING ME what I can write and not?
Thank you Simon, I hope you guys dont have as hard a time as you did with the last bunch of CDs. lol
tobias said,in February 19th, 2010 at 12:31 pm Everyone is asking what was Ron thinking (in reguards to Haleigh) I ask what was he thinking when Junior was counting on him to be there instead of in jail for dealing drugs?
Shows how little his last remaining child mattered to him, doesnt it? jmo
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Ditto Crystal but lucky girl someone GAVE her the drug and she wasn’t arrested for that and then the state rewarded her with free rehab.
I told you, Tobias, every time you make such an inflammatory accusation as that I am tempted to respond and I will sometimes.
methinks @ 12:10pm – Thank you! Isn’t that amazing? I wonder if she’ll dare talk to anyone anymore especially if she’s going to be suspicious of her parents taking stuff from LP in future!
I bet her lawyer is telling her not to.
Hello Ms. P thank you for your kind remarks. I feel the same about you.
m2c what did Tobias statement have to do with Crystal getting a pill from someone and getting free re-hab compared to Ron out selling drugs with his son at home in his custody? Ron had primary custody! After Haleigh came up missing don’t you think he should have been more responsible when it came to his son? Granted Crystal is wrong, but there is no comparison here of which is worse.
Strong warning to Leonard Padilla. Have you read it? If not, here’s the link.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=152200&catid=3
m2c, YVW, I think however, that those charges were on the way anyway. they were for the last sales deal.
LFJ, I wonder where JR was during these rides with UC. was he being watched or was he home alone?as misty suggested he had wanted to do before?
m2c♥,
“I really hate this family rivalry crap (theirs and here on the blogs) and would prefer some consideration given at least to TN and Annette who are equally grieving.”
sounded like a correction to me! i personally did not read anything about tn and annette not equally grieving in lfj’s post. more about their actions. that is lfj’s opinion. so what? then just state yours.
i sometimes read you as correcting people not debating what bloggers are saying. i just want to hear EVERYONE! and when people are “correcting” others, it keeps some from posting. i am not telling you or anyone what you can say. just asking not to “correct”, because i specifically don’t want to chase anyone off.
i agree, i hope the families can find more peace in dealing with each other. i do believe just about everyone here does respect that all of haleigh’s grandmas have devastated hearts! and i think you know that too. so i thought you were correcting all of us with that statement.
i sincerely would like for you and i to get along. sincerely, ms.p.
I posted a link on the other thread, but I don’t think it went through before conversation moved on to something else.
On the video (search:’geraldo haliegh cummings part 2 of 6′ on youtube) the one where you were all listening to the background of the 911 call. I watched the video, but it never sunk in till later that GGS was repeatedly referring to Haliegh in the past tense near the end of the video.
This is a very bad sign, I think, as this was filmed way too early for the family to already believe she is dead. I will post the link in my next post.
me thinks, I hope he was not home alone and this a practice that Ron was ok with, per Misty. I would like to think he was with one of his grandmothers or perhaps at pre- school. It depends on what time of day the deals took place.
lfj, thank you.
Here is the video link, pay close attention to when GGS is talking about Haliegh near the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djCp9K9ckjA
mariesilk said,in February 19th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
good to see you!
You know Mariesilk I noticed alot of them speaking in past tense right from the beginning. I also felt this was troubling. You and I are not the only ones there have been alot of comments about this issue. I personally do not think the grandmothers have any inclination as to what happened to Haleigh, but I could be wrong. Finding that out would be Godawful.
LFJ, I hope not too, I guess I shouldn’t have said that as though it was a fact since I don’t know that it is, I do remember that Misty had told this to crystal? at some point.I thought, or maybe she said this to timmy or tommy? I can’t remember now,but I’m sure that it was said by misty.
well folks I have to go for now. School pick-up. I will try and return later. God Bless you all and God Bless Haleigh.
6:08 GGS “She was a daddy’s girl”
Chills
LFJ, my last comment at 2:10 was in reference to your 2:04 comment…curbing the confusion lol
mariesilk, that really is chilling, I hadn’t noticed that before…now I have to go hear it for myself!
looking for justice @ 1:45pm
I was responding more specifically to Tobias saying “Shows how little his last remaining child mattered to him, doesnt it?”
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There are things about C that could also be interpreted as showing she cares/cared little about all three of her children. But the inflammatory assumptions are always about R.
As I’ve said before, I think the children are extremely unlucky having both the parents that they do.
ms P – Since you seem to have the Blog Cop uniform on today how about you instruct me on the PROPER way to express an opinion that is in disagreement with someone else’s opinion?
I said “I’d prefer” BUT YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT TO SAY AND HOW TO SAY IT and coming after me for it.
And please get off my back. It’s hypocrisy at it’s BEST, thank you very much.
yes many have talked in past tense. i was startled at first when annette was talking like that. but i myself, mix-up my words and use the wrong tword tense more as i age. so i thought that could be the reason.
i am going to run too. everyone have a great day.
m2c:
You could start by not having to counter every point about Ron with one of Crystal. We all know about both sides, we don’t need you to constantly ram down our throats that there is another way to look at the situation. Yours is not the only way either. You are the reason why I usually keep my comments to myself, I just don’t have the energy to defend myself to people like you, nor should I have to. Or anyone else.
Seems as though everyone has run along so I guess I will join them. bbl
What about me? doesn’t anyone wanna’ talk to me? ME< ME< ME< LOL Please don’t leave me! I won’t police anyone…I promise!!!
m2c, i guess i thought you were the one with the badge? just hoping we allow others to say it there way. maybe i did not say it correctly enough? sheesh! lets end this now please. i am done.
GGMS was also one of the last known people to have seen Haleigh alive.. I’m not convinced she did not take Haleigh to releave Misty when she came over that evening.. It could be why the 911 call was not made till Ron got home. Maybe GGMS lost her temper with Haleigh and they are all covering for the old lady..
hello? tears up…down turned lips…quivering…
Haleigh has been gone a year. Oh, what a loved one’s mind must do when a child is missing, and you have no idea where the child is or what they suffered or are suffering through. It has to be pure terror. I imagine that even though you hope for your child to come home, you still fear the worst has happened. This is when the past tense references come in to play. The doubt in one’s mind that the child could still return after so long.
WOW Buddy, I’ve never heard that theory before. Thats interesting and also a possibility
Methinks, You sound like Misty, hope you arent getting her illness lol.
I wonder what the next batch of tapes will reveal? It seems that we get to see the people involved as they truely are and not what they do for the media cameras. Kinda like candid camera, only not so funny. jmo
/me hugs MeThinks and says………..awww don’t cry!! It”ll get better!
Hey guys!
Though I am about to cry over this dadblasted thing i call a puter!
Buddy, I don’t think so. Too many children have survived under her care.
Right Shockwave,Waiting for a call,the door to open…..O God!
I have a request for LP. Please do us and Lisa a big favor and get her some teeth. Man I get sick just seeing her gumming her mouth. PLEASE LP DO SOMETHING….JMO
CathyJo63
Did you try what I suggested. Deleting your temporary file? I didn’t know if you saw the tip or not on the other comments page.
Shockwave said,in February 19th, 2010 at 2:40 pm Buddy, I don’t think so. Too many children have survived under her care.
Sorry but ROFLMAO! Thats a gooden’
Too many have survived??
Stayin alive,stayin alive!
I’d say so though,She makes me wanna sit down and shut up!just by looking at her!
shockwave OMG yes! Sheer terror! The not knowing would kill me…and wondering if they are being abused, I would feel guilty because I would be praying that she is dead and not being hurt anymore. God, it’s so sad!
ms.peridot19 said,in February 19th, 2010 at 2:21 pmyes many have talked in past tense. i was startled at first when annette was talking like that. but i myself, mix-up my words and use the wrong tword tense more as i age. so i thought that could be the reason.
i am going to run too. everyone have a great day.
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errr! i really meant to say i thought that was one possible reason(aging). because, frankly i was bothered by so many using the past tense. and i did notice in that interview it was said repeatedly. it struck me as odd. you would think you would be careful about that, to keep everyone hopeful and looking for the child.
Yes,I have done it all…….believe me but i do think its getting better! Thanx!
Tobias,IMO Only but i think he should have left Lisa in jail,hard for someone to see their mom in jail and maybe M might talk seeing as it is almost related to what she knows!and all her ppl in jail…….Where is Jason,I need him to translate what i mean…..LoL
And if she (Haleigh) were found tomorrow and went back to them, she would turn out just like them… such a waste
I think if my grand daughter had been missing for 5 days, it would be a long time still before I could bring myself to talk as though she was dead. This is a major indicator of guilt that le, fbi and everyone else is trained to pick up on during investigations. I have always felt like the Cummings have behaved as though they were going through the stages of grief and not the shock of not knowing where Haleigh was. Any time these people are given an option of what could have happened to her, they dismiss it. ‘Dope boys’ couldn’t have taken her, Joe O wasn’t at the MH, there was no fight over a gun, JR’s man in black comments were dismissed as well.
I guess I just wonder how people who allegedly have no idea what DID happen, could so easily decide what DID NOT happen. Does that make sense?
I never started thinking this way, but now seeing the way RC’s version of the truth relates to reality, I really wonder.
When my little sister passed away I talked as though she was alive for almost a year and I knew for a fact that she was gone.
ya…jus’ call me misty…or “Play misty for me” wasn’t that a movie? or a song?
ms p – I agree. And once again ask if you will please allow me to talk directly with individual bloggers here without your interference?
If I address a comment to YOU or in general that you object to then please “let me have it.” Otherwise please let me alone.
methinks said,in February 19th, 2010 at 2:45 pm shockwave OMG yes! Sheer terror! The not knowing would kill me…and wondering if they are being abused, I would feel guilty because I would be praying that she is dead and not being hurt anymore. God, it’s so sad!
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Methinks,I agree,my husband was 43 and it kills me just the thoughts of what happened and it never leaves your mind and OMG Haleigh is just a little girl! God Bless all who loved Haleigh!
I would say Granny grew up in a time when people did not act the way her children have acted, but I’ve read articles when she was quoted cussing and carrying on like the rest of them. So, that’s not true. You could say it was a bomb waiting to go off. Each decade like a domino effect, and poor little Haleigh caught the brunt of it. It just makes me want to help everyone, but other than praying what can you do. Tears for me too! Poor Haleigh. Can I count on all of you to say a prayer tonight for Haleigh?
tobias said,in February 19th, 2010 at 2:43 pm I have a request for LP. Please do us and Lisa a big favor and get her some teeth. Man I get sick just seeing her gumming her mouth. PLEASE LP DO SOMETHING….JMO
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I get scared she’s gonna’ swallow her lips…teeheee
mariesilk said,in February 19th, 2010 at 2:48 pm I think if my grand daughter had been missing for 5 days, it would be a long time still before I could bring myself to talk as though she was dead. This is a major indicator of guilt that le, fbi and everyone else is trained to pick up on during investigations. I have always felt like the Cummings have behaved as though they were going through the stages of grief and not the shock of not knowing where Haleigh was. Any time these people are given an option of what could have happened to her, they dismiss it. ‘Dope boys’ couldn’t have taken her, Joe O wasn’t at the MH, there was no fight over a gun, JR’s man in black comments were dismissed as well.
I guess I just wonder how people who allegedly have no idea what DID happen, could so easily decide what DID NOT happen. Does that make sense?
I never started thinking this way, but now seeing the way RC’s version of the truth relates to reality, I really wonder.
When my little sister passed away I talked as though she was alive for almost a year and I knew for a fact that she was gone.
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I agree for some reason,Usually the crying doesn’t start right away because you are in shock and you only want hope and any hope at all to cling to….in hindsight I can see what youumean!
I am sorry but just by the uc video of him in the back pleading for the uc not to tell……just changed my opinion of him again!
cathyjoe, Would I be nosey to ask what happened with your husband?
“Do not judge so that you will not be judged.John 8:10 Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?”Romans 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
If he had nothing to be ashamed of why would he care what the uc thought? That just screams out to me!
why is my puter so slow in posting? besides the fact that it is a dinosaur?
CathyJo63
I get you. I was just offering up other insight to their past tense talk of Haleigh. Not disagreeing necessarily. I always thought Ron was grieving from the very first time we all saw him. His behavior was bizarre and unnatural to me the morning after Haleigh went missing.
mariesilk said,in February 19th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
i am sorry to say, i agree with your whole post. myself, i still am wondering about what junior said. and i know it could have been a dream or a child trying to “help” find sissy. but why at that point, be so dismissive of anything? and as you have pointed out, they have been dismissive of the other things too.
i always wondered about the story of joe and ron fighting over the gun. didn’t misty his girlfriend tell that story? so either misty lied about the fight or ron did? or who did?
i think cobra said they would let junior play outside by himself? now maybe they were watching him, but, i would be afraid to let him play outside by himself.
just some thougts and opinions.
You’re not nosey,You know you can ask..in 2003 he was brutally murdered by our daughters live in bf…..Ive spoke of it before here but never said it was her bf…my husband had been totally disabled from a roof fall 3 weeks before this monster SNUCK up behind him and he passed away the next day ….massive head,liver,spleen trauma…our dtr was 23,her live in was 40,he beat her on a daily basis…..and we tried everything to stop it but she always went back….and she went back to him the nite before this happened and my husband went to pick up our Grandson 3 at the time and he had his rt arm broke twice,his left wrist was broken and he had 2 pins in his hip just 3 weeks b4….and he still had to sneak!
Thats why I always say cowards are dangerous because he’d run everytime he beat our dtr till her dad went back outta town for his job as an ironworker…just this time my husband John was easy prey!
???, I believe it goes like this, JUdge not, yest ye be judged. Are you saying you have never judged another? We are all sinners, and we don’t claim to be pure…we are pure of heart though or we wouldn’t give a rip what happened to this child. Who are you judging, if I may be so bold to ask?
My grandson saw it…..he was terrified for yrs literally,if he fell he would not move off the couch the entire day b/c of blood!
So sorry this happened to you and your family Cathy.
Cathyjoe, MY God, I’m so sorry…I guess I didn’t know that. How horrible that must have been for you. Bless your broken heart. real tears now…for you, be back in a minute.
I usually dont tell only b/c of the time it takes to type the entire story,ya know and its not fair to Johnny if i don’t tell the whole thing but you get my point im sure!
I married him at 15 yrs old and we were married and we were married 25 yrs in 2003!
and the thing is….the monsters daddy was a millionaire,I was broke!! Didn’t even have insurance to bury my husband! And this monster got 60 days in county jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cathyjoe, WOW…so you know alot about the horror haleighs family and others have endured, and you know it from experience!
I believed the DA,the le when they told me not to speak of it till trial?? Wow big help,thats why now hell yes i’ll tell the story!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only 60 days? That’s a slap in the face. I’m sorry for your loss. I’ll send up a prayer for you, your daughter and your grandson.
cathyjo that is too horrible to even comprehend. i cannot believe that monster is out among people. i always wanted to ask you how that happened. i know you said something about money. maybe someday you can share with us. if i remember correctly you said something about it would take allot of time or space to explain all of that to us? i that monster is not allowed near any of you.
Thank You Tobias,Me too and I guess thats why i may seem alittle odd sometimes but Im not….just had to make it for the 1st time on my own! Its been hard but I know somewhere God had a reason….at 1st i didn’t think so maybe but now i kinda tend to think,it could have been my daughter and Grandson! Her dad paid the ultimate price to get her out of that situation!
omg, 60 days! i cannot understand any of that! how is that possible????
methinks said,
in February 19th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
???, I believe it goes like this, JUdge not, yest ye be judged. Are you saying you have never judged another? We are all sinners, and we don’t claim to be pure…we are pure of heart though or we wouldn’t give a rip what happened to this child. Who are you judging, if I may be so bold to ask?
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Preach!!!! 😀
Cathy, Sometimes it just seems so unfair. I know what you mean, my brother in law was killed in a car accident , head on by a guy who was passing on a hill. When we went to court the highway patrol had written the report wrong the guy had no license, he had been in a wreck just weeks before, he had several DIUs, was dishonerably discharged from the military and onand on. If the Patrolman would have written it correctly he would have ben in jail more than the year the judge gavehim. The judge was very angry that that was all he could give him. My brother in law was only 20.
Thank You all,and thats why I come untied now when someone doesn’t get Justice,I promised my husband I would get justice and the legal system took that promise from me!
i meant to say: i hope that monster is not allowed anywhere near any of you!
But yess,I will type the whoole story for you guy’s,I mean theres got tto be a way for everyone to get Justice,its not fair.its like saying you are a nobody!
He still lives here in the same town! I don’t know exactly where but I do know we are the prisoners,not him!
Yes,MsPeridot….I do sorta know how they feel,its been 7 yrs almost for me and i can barely stick one foot out the door even now!
cent, I wonder where ??? went?
and MsPeridot,even if it had been a fair fight he’d deserve moreeeeeeee,but Johnny didn’t even know he was coming!
Cathyjoe couldn’t you sue him? I mean like a civil suit for wrongful death? I know we are of topic but this is important.
In that regard he was like a child,like Caylee,Haleigh,theyre too young to fight back!
CathyJo63 My heart goes out to you. My husband and I have been married 21 years. It would kill me if something like that happened to him. He is my best friend. Prayers to you CathyJo63. God Bless
I am truly sorry to hear that Tobias,Its amazing how sometimes we all have so much in common but don’t really see it at first!
Your Brother n law and he should be in prison for that? Ya know,I personally knew people with 10-15 DUI’S…..honest i have! never spent a day!
cathy, i would like to say how truly sorry i am for your grandson, daughter and you. your whole family are in my prayers.
oops sorry,i emant your borother in law?? and he.shewwwwww Need Jason!
methinks said,
in February 19th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
cent, I wonder where ??? went?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think they may have signed back in under their real hat!
Me,I wanted too but no pro bonos?? here??
I didn’t have a penny when this happened!
The lawyers i asked didn’t want to seek wrongful death and when his relatives pass on and leave him money,he will just put it in another persons name,thats the excuses i got!!!
Cathy, We went to the newspapers , believe me when I say the media can be a powerful tool when used correctly. Judges and political figures do not like the public to get outraged.
His 17 yr. old girlfriend was injured in the wreck also. This guy was by far a real POS and had other offenses the list is too long to even remember. jmo
Thank You Justice,Thank you all! I mean it literally!
Alot of ppl don’t like to ask or bring it up,but all i can say is what i said at his funeral,that is:
To be honest,theres nothing you can say to make me feel better!
There’s nothing you can say to make me feel worse,I am still Cathy!Treat me like you alway’s have!
Ya know!
cent, why that little devil.
Methinks, Maybe he went to give Misty a sign.
??? needs to go talk to the ones hindering finding Haleigh. jmo
Yeah…. but then again… methinks, I am an highly suspicious chick!!
http://picasaweb.google.com/PennyLoafer63/InMemoryOfJohnCElkins82260101303UntilISeeYouAgainMyHusbandILoveYou?locked=true&feat=email#
If yall wanna see it,heres her dad on our daughters wedding day.much happier times..it was 3 yrs before she met the monster!
She looks just like her dad!
CathyJo63 said,in February 19th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
and if the lawyers are not guaranteed a certain profit outcome in the end, they won’t take the case. if i understand correctly what happens.
i was wondering about what tobias said at 3:44
CathyJo, I am speechless. I hope you believe that in the end, there is justice for everyone.
Say back on the subject of haleigh, Someone on the other thread noticed something interesting…Did anyone notice how Ron got out of the car seconds before the trucks pulled up to make the arrests…like he knew. Is that kind of odd?
Exactly right MsPeridot and Me.Bingo!
Everythings money! who has the most!
I think they had pulled up to the Spinners and were all going to get out when the PCSO pulled in. jmo
tobias said,in February 19th, 2010 at 3:44 pm Cathy, We went to the newspapers , believe me when I say the media can be a powerful tool when used correctly. Judges and political figures do not like the public to get outraged.
His 17 yr. old girlfriend was injured in the wreck also. This guy was by far a real POS and had other offenses the list is too long to even remember. jmo
Thats exactly right Tobias,
I had never even known anybody this happened too,ever!!!!!! I believed the sytem!
tobias said,in February 19th, 2010 at 3:49 pm Methinks, Maybe he went to give Misty a sign.
??? needs to go talk to the ones hindering finding Haleigh. jmo
######################################################################################################### HERESSS YERRR SIGN!!!!!!!
Yes, he bounced out… it can be taken as if he knew already, he was clued in. But, I don’t think so… I’m going to watch right now again.
Before I forget… maybe something was redacted in the few moments. Just a thought.
TY Cath,Oh in the end he’ll get his! I pray for that believe me!
and i don’t think i am wrong about that!
OOPS GOT ALITTLE CARRIED AWAY THERE!!!
ya know everybody in the system told me,”do not speak of it to anyone,it will jeapordize the entire case”
We got him,I PROMISE YOU!
ME,i AM STILL WONDERING WHY m DID ALL THE TALKING?
I didnt mean to yell it tho,ive got booted twice since posting that link!
Cathyjoe, We all know there is one judge that hasn’t judged this monster yet…but one day will. Keep that close to your heart when your mind turns angry.
I wonder who the uc was? Ya don’t reckon it was the sgt they talked about? it did seem very odd!
Methinks… I think you can see what looks to be a reflection of a siren/strobe lights. Could be a glare. We need to see another camera angle.
Thats what gets me through Me,I trust God more than anything the monster can make me imagine!
cathyjoe, booted for posting what link?
Ron was arrested after coming out of the store right?
I was the one that said it looks like he gets out of the car right before the trucks pull up. But, you are right something could have been redacted and it just looks that way now. Maybe he was getting out anyway to go into the store?? Who knows.
I wonder if ron saw what was happening and briefly thought of running?
Everyone of them lied about the bust. Ron says on video that he was buying cigs at Spinners and cmae out and saw the UC and Misty in the car. Misty says she was with Katrina and left her purse in her car when she went over to the UCs car. We can see her purse clearly in the video. They are forever lying.imo
M did all the talking in the portions of video that have been released. If R was really working with LE, and M was the only one dealing, LE would not have even needed R there at the time of the arrest. JMO.
Cathy Jo: Its so heartbreaking to hear that such a horrible thing can happen in our society. I cannot imagine the daily struggle you and your family face. It is a shame that money can ‘buy’ justice. there should be someone who fights for those without money and influence. Sickening.
Me,posted the link to my husband and daughters pic!
If R was really working with LE, and M was the only one dealing, LE would not have even needed R there at the time of the arrest. JMO.
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Unless they wanted Misty to think/believe he was “with her”. Why have we not seen any of R’s jailhouse phonecalls?
Misty and Donna did the first sell on the 8th of Jan. way before Ron got involved. If they only wanted Misty they would have got her then. jmo
Cath,Righttttt thats what I thought! Unless he was in on setting her up?? somethings odd!
MSprissPeridot, If you will look back over today’s postings I think you might find that you did more “Correcting” to M2C than she ever did to anyone. I have seen similar posts by you directed to her before. Maybe you need to take a good look in the mirror.
CathyJo63 said,in February 19th, 2010 at 4:08 pm Me,posted the link to my husband and daughters pic!
oh i see,
I do not think Ron knew in advance. I just think the transaction was complete and he was the first to get ready to exit the car or he saw his Aunt Katrina put the metal to the pedal and take off out of there. That may have tipped him off.
mariesilk said,in February 19th, 2010 at 4:08 pm Cathy Jo: Its so heartbreaking to hear that such a horrible thing can happen in our society. I cannot imagine the daily struggle you and your family face. It is a shame that money can ‘buy’ justice. there should be someone who fights for those without money and influence. Sickening.
I wish there was Marie,and Thank You! If i had money,i know what i’d be doing!Just if you don’t theres no way to do anything about it!
Thats why I was so into Caylee’s case,OMG was i ever?? I lived and breathed it,like Haleigh’s!
Its hard to know it does go on,and people are awarded only b/c of the amount in a wallet!
Can’t remember who broke it down last night on the other thread about the katrina/car thing… Cathartic was it you… it made sense.
Its got me confused about Ron too,b/c M did the talking and took the money? It seemed she was in charge to me..imo
That was only one tape I think we will be surprised watching the others. jmo
Adams,it was Cath,and it makes me wonder!
I wish theyd give more,I saw somewhere earlier they had posted 8 new uc videos but theres nothing there when you click it!
I keep my eyes peeled for those new videos!LoL
Cathyjoe, I would like to see your pics. Maybe Jan would provide you with my email addy and you could show me. I’m not sure how to request that though…Jan, if your reading, is that possible?
it was much happier days then,she was marrying her husband Stacy…the son i never had,lol Loved him alot!That was 3 yrs before her dad was murdered!
cathyjoe, I mean if your okay with that.
In the one snippet where Ron is telling the UC not to tell anyone about him due to Haleigh missing Ron is in the car alone with the UC. It appears they are in motion, not just sitting and waiting.
lfj, That could be the one where they dropped Misty and Hope off at Tropic st. jmo
Why Lord yea Im fine with it!!!!!
did u still need it emailed or did u follow the link?
Shes spitting image of her Dad!
lfj, Dont know how well you remember the incident reports but in one Ron and the UC dropped Misty and Hope at Tropic and went down the road and turned around. jmo
looking for Justice said,in February 19th, 2010 at 1:45 pm Hello Ms. P thank you for your kind remarks. I feel the same about you.
m2c what did Tobias statement have to do with Crystal getting a pill from someone and getting free re-hab compared to Ron out selling drugs with his son at home in his custody? Ron had primary custody! After Haleigh came up missing don’t you think he should have been more responsible when it came to his son? Granted Crystal is wrong, but there is no comparison here of which is worse.
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You appear to be conveniently ignoring the fact that Crystal & Chad had children on a property with crack & crack pipes. Crack is an incredibly dangerous drug and makes the users do crazy things. More than one child has been sold for crack before.
From bits and pieces of things Misty has said while in jail, I got the impression that she and Ron rode in Katrina’s car. Misty got in the car with the UC. Ron came out of the store and (someone, don’t remember who) called out to Ron and he then got in the UC vehicle. When the lights and sirens showed up, Katrina took off. Misty’s phone and camera where in Katrina’s car and Katrina refused to give them to the Croslins, and Misty was up in arms about that.
I think Katrina refused to admit she had Misty’s stuff for fear of being implicated for having been there. Or…possibly she has turned the items over to LE.
looking for Justice said,in February 19th, 2010 at 1:45 pm Hello Ms. P thank you for your kind remarks. I feel the same about you.
m2c what did Tobias statement have to do with Crystal getting a pill from someone and getting free re-hab compared to Ron out selling drugs with his son at home in his custody? Ron had primary custody! After Haleigh came up missing don’t you think he should have been more responsible when it came to his son? Granted Crystal is wrong, but there is no comparison here of which is worse.
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You appear to be conveniently ignoring the fact that Crystal & Chad had children on a property with crack & crack pipes. Crack is an incredibly dangerous drug and makes the users do crazy things. More than one child has been sold for crack before.
And we know she’s been charged with lying to police once already, and obviously lied about who owned the crack as well (tried to blame it on a friend). And we know she drives a car with children in it while under the influence and has had an accident, which could have seriously harmed Chloe, in the process. Yes, there are a lot of narcissists in this case.
Thanks Cath,got me straight again,for how long i dunno..LoL
Oh, and I forgot the fact that she used while Chloe was in her womb….that’s about as selfish and uncaring as a person can get….don’t ya think?e
They all know.
One will tell.
Oh, and I forgot the fact that she used while Chloe was in her womb….that’s about as selfish and uncaring as a person can get….don’t ya think?
Cathartic… yes.. your impression of Katrina/Car/belongings.
Very possible Tobias. He may be a snitch, but I do not feel he is undercover with LE trying to set up Misty.
Ron would not have been saying that to the UC, because the UC would have known what he was there for.
All the statements made by Misty and Ron on the drug bust are probably lies they didnt know right away that they were on tape. Now we are seeing the facts. jmo
Shux,i hate to leave good company but gotta run to the store real quick brb soon as i can!
I think he has snitched in the past… I don’t see why LE would need his help. I doubt that LE encouraged him to stay close, marry, befriend her again. I think he is full of himself.
I think Ron even lied to his Mom about the bust. I wonder how he is going to explain that to her, He said he was informing on Misty when he was also selling on tape. JMO
Tobias… It will be said that, that is what he had to do. That selling was a part of the plan.
In jail, I think they all play for the camera. However, Misty forgets about the camera sometimes. When she was talking to Lisa about getting her phone and camera back from Katrina, I think she was oblivious to the camera. She is very upset that the items have not been returned by Katrina. It did not look like an act to me; it looked like she is desperate to get her stuff back from Katrina. She even asks Lisa to check pawn shops for any cameras that look like hers.
They would not be able to charge her with any times that she spoke of allegedly selling dope. It simply would not stand up in court she could simply say a million things to excuse that a way. A crown would not even put the charges through. LP is not acting in any manner but for his own self and his frequent appearances on NG. Look what he has done to Kronk. LP does not exercise his ability to be anonymous, right hand left hand. Never let your right hand know what your life hand is doing. He could give anonymously through Misty’s lawyer or any other available avenue. He is doing it for public notice ultimately for him. He could give the car anonymously, he could give money anonymously, if he truly cared he would. That is what this family needs to see look at actions not words. What did Lisa Croslin expect him to say but some excuse that sweeps all her doubts away. Does she really expect him to come out and say what his real intentions are? He can tell she is innocent by the look in her eyes!OMG The check is in the mail and I love you. GEEESH
DustyRose, I agree. LP tells Hank and Lisa he can tell Misty is innocent by the look in her eyes, but he tells the media quite the opposite. LP is in it for LP only.
baCENT If it was only a plan to get just Misty they had haer on the 8th of Jan. with the biggest sell with DB. Rons saying he was an informant is a bunch of hoowee he made those statements before he knew they had tapes of him . jmo
Me, I do not condone Crystal for her actions. The fact is that it’s not Chloe that is missing. It is Haleigh Anne Marie Cummings who at the time was in the care of her primary guardian, Ronald Cummings. I am sure Ronald has lied to the police although he was not charged. In fact he seems to never get charged in any crime he has committed. I can’t say much for Crystals character, but she did not lie about her drug usage to america, that was Ron. It is not crystal that now sits behind bars waiting to go to prison for drug trafficking. He should have been home taking care of his son and searching for his beautiful little girl who is MISSING. These should of been his first and only obligations.
If she is in re-hab lets pray for these childrens sake that she finds the strength to over-come this addiction.
When it gets released to the media that Crystal has a child missing under her care ( GOD FORBID ) or gets into the trouble like Ron is in now, then I will have something more too say on Crystal.
I though the other charges were added after they reviewed the tapes. jmo
Cathyjoe, I guess I didn’t see a link. I might have missed it though.
I too believe that when Misty gets really upset or excited she tends to forget about the cameras.
LFJ, AMEN to your 4;54 post!
In the video Misty tells her mom that she was already facing those two charges. I think it had nothing to do with her talking about the case. They had all the evidence, what could she have provided to LE on those taped conversations with her father, that they didn’t already know?
The camera did seem really important to her.
Didnt someone say at one time that Haleigh had a camera that she got for christmas. I think it was Crystal Cummings in one of the videos where they asked her what Haleigh was like.
She said she loved her camera and playingon grandmas computer. Does anyone else remember that? jmo
I think the camera may hold some not so moral behavior. Just My Opinion… I’m thinking some three-way activities.
We can see she has her purse in the car when she was busted. Why would she think that Katrina has it?jmo
Hey I bet a pic of her new tat is on it? lol jmo
A lot of people e mail or post their new tats for their friends to see. jmo
I am going to have to go back and look. I saw her with a purse in some of the snippets, but not the one when they got busted.
BAC my hinkey says she’s kinky!lol
tobias, I remember that!Maybe it was haleighs camera, maybe there are some incriminating pics on it that haleigh took the night she went missing… maybe shes afraid to have the film developed cuz’ of this????
Tobias, I only recall Misty asking Lisa to get her phone and camera from Katrina, not her purse. She may have said it, but I do not recall her saying it.
Lisa told Misty that Katrina said she doesn’t have any of Misty’s stuff. Misty then gets all worked up and says Katrina is lying, that when the cops came Katrina took off right away and Misty’s phone and camera were in the car when she took off.
I don’t remember her saying Katrina had her purse.
Tobias you are correct! she does have her purse. I wonder why she thought it was in Katrinas car?
Misty did say Katrina had her purse. She told her mom that her camera, phone and ID was in there.
It is in the very first tape of misty with her mom. Sheeven tells Lisa to go over to TN s and ask her for it. We didnt know who Tina was then. jmo
Maybe being the hobo Misty was she could have carried a overnight bag everywhere she went and thats what got left in Katrinas car? jmo
I think Misty had a purse/bag when the take-down happened.
yup, yup.
I hope LE went and got that stuff if they didnt get it during the bust. jmo
LFJ, my hinkey says she’ stinkey…winky, winky laughing to myself all embarrassed cuz’ nonone gets it…
My sister wants to know if the DVD’s that Tommy and Hank were fighting over are the ones that were stolen from the home.
Methinks, I get it maybe some pics for Ron to look at when he isnt with her.loljmo
Wasnt that fight around Thanks giving?jmo
I suppose all her “stuff” could have been in a purse. All I recall is Misty wanting her phone and her camera back from Katrina.
Sometimes in the car my phone is not in my purse. Maybe she had just used the phone and had not put it back in her purse. Doesn’t explain the camera, though.
Misty is seen on a rant about her phone and camera more than once. I mostly remember the one where she wants Lisa to look in pawn shops for the camera.
So, maybe all Misty’s stuff was actually in her purse and Katrina did not take off with any of it. Maybe Misty is mistaken about which vehicle she left her purse in.
Methinks… are you saying not so fresh?
Cathartic, yep, once again, misty can’t remember. lol heres her: huh? (like in the 911 tape) huh? (all innocent)
She is desperate for her stuff… most phones have cameras built in… but she’s clearly stating that they are two different items? Maybe Ma and Pa got them from Tina… and pawned them.
cent, freshless hehe
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 19th, 2010 at 5:40 pm She is desperate for her stuff… most phones have cameras built in… but she’s clearly stating that they are two different items? Maybe Ma and Pa got them from Tina… and pawned them
######### ooh would that pi$$ her off or what? or maybe they gave it to LE? oooo ouch.
I think I swallowed a quarter.
In the video clip I saw of the cops arresting them, M had a big white purse on her lap. I think the UC was driving. She was in the front passenger seat.
In the video I saw of the arrest, M was in the front passenger seat with a big white purse on her lap. I think the UC was driving.
BAC, they are two separate items. She described the camera to Lisa when she wanted her to look in pawn shops for it.
Sorry for the double post. It didn’t seem to post the first time so I tried again. Sorry.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 19th, 2010 at 5:07 pm I think the camera may hold some not so moral behavior. Just My Opinion… I’m thinking some three-way activities.
########## three-way or three-some? now my hinkeys kinkey.
looking for justice…so, if we find out that Crystal or someone in her family did something to Haleigh, I’ll assume you’ll still blame Ron. And I guess you blame Jessica Lunsford’s grandparents too because Jessica went missing on their watch? Or do you blame her parents because they left Jessica with the grandparents? Frankly, none of this victim blaming makes sense to me. Blame the perp, when/if we find out who it is.
Methinks… I don’t know the difference… 3 is 3 ;-O
Where did cathyjoe go? she said the sto, but i don’t know, maybe she forgot her doe.i’m gittin’ tired, so i must go.
Methinks… my sister says that was a nice rhyme!!
Theres a hardware glitch or something in this pc.grrrrrr had to fight to get back!
LoL Funny Me!
I have still got a glitch in there here puter,lol It only takes me a sec to go to da sto!
Local News
Undercover Tapes Reveal Cummings Drug Bust
By Adam Kirk – Morning News Producer @ February 19, 2010 5:41 AM Permalink | Comments (3)
New tapes from the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office show the key players surrounding the Haleigh Cummings disappearance, seemingly making drug deals with undercover officers.
Ronald Cummings and his ex-wife Misty Croslin pleaded not guilty in court on Thursday to a slew of drug trafficking charges.
But they may have a hard time fighting the allegations, because of a mound of evidence released by the Putnam County Sheriff’s office. On numerous tapes, Croslin was seen explaining to an undercover deputy how the drug deals would work. On one tape, she explained that she would meet the cop outside a bathroom; In another, she explained that she deals drugs because no one will hire her. She also told the officer she was sure she could trust him not to turn her in.
Ronald Cummings was seen on far fewer tapes than Misty. However, he appeared to be scared that the media would find out about his drug dealings, and that would cast more suspicion on him regarding his young daughter’s disappearance last year.
“Their first thing was that I was a dope boy and I must have ripped someone off or pissed someone off and that’s what happened”, said Cummings. He went on to tell the undercover cop “because of my daughter, you know, everybody that’s seen anything about it knows about it… Please don’t never tell nobody that I’ve done this”, said Cummings.
Cummings never implicated himself in his daughter’s disappearance, however, and said “dope boys don’t come get your kid like that”.
Haleigh Cummings went missing from her Satsuma home last February. Misty Croslin was the last person to see the girl, and has been the subject of much police scrutiny over her seemingly inconsistent testimony of the time-line leading up to the disappearance.
I dont think pre pay phones have cameras but I could be wrong. She said the camera was new and pink. I have a feeling that she took a pic of her tat and was gonna download it for friends or maybe to show to Chelsea. Maybe thats how AH found out about it. jmo
II think it was Adams thqat asked for a link last night to all the videos,This might help!
http://www.wftv.com/news/22612106/detail.html
as i was thinking about this entire case 2day I believe Misty gave Haleigh drugs so she could go party,then lied to Ronald and told him that she likely ODed on his stash in order to tangle him in the mix with her.She had to have help moving the child that’s where the moved van came in.IMO Misty called 4 help.I don’t think she meant to kill Haleigh but all her lies will catch up.Also thats why in the stress test when asked about Ronalds involvment there was doubt.And thats why hes defended her to defend himself.
She did seem really worried about the cam,to want to check the pawn shops!
tobias did u notice misty lied n said she was with tina or trina ronalds cuzin just b4 the arrest?But in the video she was with the under cover agent.I wonder why she lied to her parents….or did I miss something?
Tobias…. maybe not… I don’t know either. I could never understand why one of their phones were always off.
I have exclusive information about Donna Brock, her relationship to Misty Cummings and actually witnessed Brock supply Misty Cummings, a minor, with both prescription and illegal drugs while the two were on a recent trip to NY.
In an Exlusive live interview on Sunday night at 8:00pm on my radio show, You’ll hear from Jacque Hollander, the woman who heard ALL the illegal audio tapes Donna Brock made of Misty Cummings. You won’t believe what Misty Confesses!!!! ONLY on blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This
I never seen that before ,did yall?
I think Misty was throwing everyone under the bus that got away, Katrina, John and Linda.
Maybe that guy Tallent too. She keeps talking about him on the videos and she knows LE and all of us are listening. jmo
Cathy…. I heard him on the radio talking about it with TM… I have a problem with him… he saw her with the dope… yet waited until Misty had filmed that segment that he set up with the morning show… he waits a couple of days, and reports to TM and the LE!! ((((SCREAMS AGENDA))))
Hmmmmm pinkey,that’s possible too! The ld guy did ask her why she had doubt?
Adams? Right,thats why i am saying did yall see it? Wth would do that?
From the woman “WHO HEARD” Her confession?
If i had heard a confession of any kind i’d have went to le!
see,too many chiefs and not enuff indians in this case!
That woman did NOT shed any light… if I’m not mistaken, she could NOT recall anything she claimed she heard. Check out her photo with those damn teddy bears.
I feel like wringing some chicken necks myself right now!
Too many people wanna get rich of this little girls misfortune,turns my stomach and gizzards upside down!
I wonder why Ron made that statement about Hopes boyfriends(plural) not being in jail.
Was that a slam or was it to let her know they didnt get busted too? jmo
It would be awesome if there were tapes of Misty confessing, but I take hearsay with a grain of salt.
OMG Jan,i didn’t see the ah before i posted it………..delete it!
So Brock has an angry ex husband?? Is that right?
ohhhh,or is she saying Mistys angry ex?
This person makes a good point!
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IMO, Misty is a simpleton, a narcissist and a druggie, and void of any sense of self. She’s like a mirror. She reflects – changes persona for whoever she’s trying to hang with at the time. She can’t think for herself, she can’t anticipate, she doesn’t understand consequences, ergo, has no judgment. She can only read people and reflect back whatever she thinks will keep them attentive to her. She needs attention more than she needs food. She’s not even that good at the grift – which should be her genetic advantage. Many folks here who’ve watched her from the get-go share this assessment.
She’s a bully because she hangs with bullys. She’s a druggie because she hangs with druggies. She “loves children”, is Ron’s mule, is Ron’s wife because Ron was filling her void and that’s what Ron wanted her to be. She’s promiscuous because Ron pushed back and she had to fill the void. She gives interviews because newspeople want interviews. She hangs with Donna because Donna showers her with attention. She’s entitled to her friend’s boyfriends because whatever belongs to her friends is also hers. She does lie detector tests because police like lie detector tests. Hank Sr. says she got in trouble because she’s always needing to fit it and be cool. Papa may be a laid-back stoner, but he knows babygirl that well, at least.
IMO, LE would do best to ignore her and let her get good and tired of being ignored. Let her get to the point where she craves attention so much that she approaches them. When she does talk, if she does not have something material to say about the case, LE should abruptly end the interview and send her to her solitary room. Starve her from attention, until she’s being the forthcoming person and telling the truth LE is waiting for her to tell.
Another observation: Anyone else notice Misty didn’t ask how parents/nieces/nephews were holding up? Minor interest in who was visiting Tommy. Misty could only focus on what she needed. Telling her parents what the needed to do for her. “I have 49 minutes…” “Call Cobra.” One of Misty’s main concerns was if “Talent” (?) was coming to visit her. (IMO “Talent” was the last object of her reflection, and she’s still fixated on his input/attention as to who she needs to be.) In fact, her tape with Lisa sounds so similar someone else’s first jail tapes … it’s still Groundhog’s day for me.
On the bright side, Misty’s not half as clever as you-know-who is. And, Misty has drug-addled, overwhelmed parents with court dates of their own, who have no support system, resoures, nor serious interest or ability to save her arse – so LE has that going for them at least. I’m hoping LE has figured her psyche out and they will get somewhere with her by ignoring her until she decides she’d rather tell the truth than be left alone in her empty shell of a self.
So, I guess, in the spirit of ignoring her, … I’m not writing her after all. Maybe I’ll write LP instead.
All just IMO. And, no worries, I’ll go back to the one-liners now.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 19th, 2010 at 6:00 pm Methinks… my sister says that was a nice rhyme!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ why thank your sister very much!
Methinks…. you are very welcome!
CathyJo, that person makes numerous good points!
A regular Bonnie and Clyde? Ma Barker should be proud!!
you guys are a hoot tonight.
Methinks… did you see the above clearer video?
CathyJo @ 6:42 – Who is the poster whose comment you reposted?
I came in and it loked like all you guys stopped and just stared at me,lol sec
It was on Eebsleuths,wasnt sure i should put her name ? lol
Websleuths!
cent, sorry I been between the puter and a two year old…hard to pay attention, I’ll go check.
I had to delete my history a sec ago but i know how to find it now!
Originally Posted by Emma Peel
I guess I don’t give Miss Misty quite so much credit.
cent, ? I can’t see any video… show me.
I loved her post,It reminded me of casey too!
A new Video Adams??
MeThinks..
beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in February 19th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
******Better audio…. subtitles****
RON IS MAKING DEALS!!!!!!
http://www.news4jax.com/video/22616431/index.html
Cathy, you may have seen this… it’s snippets of the other… but there is transcripts and more of Ron talking
Someone over there called them PILLbillys..LoL
OH OK! TY!
Thank you, CathyJo! I understand. I thought it was from BNN and I couldn’t find the original post. It’s a very interesting perspective on M. Thank you for showing it to us.
I have been all over the www looking for new stuff enquiring minds like mine need ta know!
YVW m2! I think she’s a good thinker actually!
I think i finally got my pc going right again,i hope!
are you talking about the post kathy put up? the one describing misty? video? or no? lol the lost.
oops meant cathy.
I noticed earlier,that i yak constantly,which is odd,in real life i don’t.lol sure took awhile to notice,lol
cent where?/
Call me whatever you wanna,long as you call me 3 times a day,breakfast,lunch,dinner!lol
where cent?/
oh,you have a diff link??????????
Im blind in one eye and cant see outta the other one!
I’ll be back in a little while. I got a two year old visitor and he’s in need of a gramma, and..oh yeh thats me! LOL back in a bit.
awwwwwwww,ok have fun!!
nother observation: Anyone else notice Misty didn’t ask how parents/nieces/nephews were holding up? Minor interest in who was visiting Tommy. Misty could only focus on what she needed. Telling her parents what the needed to do for her. “I have 49 minutes…” “Call Cobra.” One of Misty’s main concerns was if “Talent” (?) was coming to visit her. (IMO “Talent” was the last object of her reflection, and she’s still fixated on his input/attention as to who she needs to be.) In fact, her tape with Lisa sounds so similar someone else’s first jail tapes … it’s still Groundhog’s day for me.
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Yall see how she rolled her eyes at Lisa? over the 100 bucks@
Cathy, did you post this link already (my post @ 7:46)?
NG I think is about to play it now.
not that one did i?? LoL I’m crazy as a bat!
I only get 1 tv channel,no cable at all……..see if i can find n/g online!
I am watching a live stream of n/g but its tiger woods again!
Getting sick of all the Tiger coverage. It’s between him and his wife now. It’s not news anymore. It’s tabloid TV, and I say it’s time to let him and his wife sort out their personal issues. JVM just had a full hour of it; I had to mute the entire show. I kept it on in case she might have an interesting NEWS story, but no…it was a whole hour a whole hour of Tiger.
topic change but I’m sorry,I have heard enough of TW,hes a golfer,how is he any different than any other one of us who have cheated or been cheated on,ya know? I dont know how it all got so public!I could care less,sorry but theres plenty more urgent cases that could be front and center,like Haleigh and Somer and all these others!than to hear what he went thru or her,its private!
LoL Cath! GMTA!
THE WHOLE HOUR,OMG!!!!!
Yes… and that Mistress… ughh
I don’t understand where these ppl are coming from,I mean the sec a famous person passes away or something bad happens,here are 2000 ppl shoving a camera right in their face,the very second it happens and sometimes before they even get the new themselves!Theyre better ppl than i am cause i would go off!!!!!!!!
Oh i would! Somebody would have a bad case of a camera in their bowels!
Yea Cath,and theyre not even shameful about it,its crazy!Its like they crawled out of the woodwork to say hey,look at me i slept with tiger,who cares!
and Adams,I meant too!
Cath said it was all TW,i aint watching a live stream about his life!
Funny, how NG is painting Misty the “ringleader”… impartial… I think not. I truly do not want to persecute Ron, but why aren’t folks really addressing his actions? I do not get it!
Makes ya wonder where they were when this was going on,wheres the cams then…sheeeesh!
Good grief…NG is doing what I figured she would do, bringing up the difference in behaviors of R and M on the UC tapes.
Next she will say something assinine like, “No one but Ronald Cummings even bothered to mention Haleigh during all the drug deals.”
Sorry, I know this is not the forum to talk about NG. But it’s hard not to be frustrated when people can’t see the forest from the trees.
Jan, if you want to delete my NG post, please do so. Sorry, I posted it without thinking.
Adams,ya know I use to love N/g,never missed it and wished so badly she’d been in my hubbys case ya know?? now shes 2 faced and 2 sided,she worries about what everybody’s eating or making when she’s doing the same! Like she said M and them ate better than she does,oh BS!Thats a liie she coulda kept from telling!
Jane Velez was an hr of his crap, and that mistress that looks like Papa Geppetto carved her out of Pinocchio’s wooden scraps!!
If she told that to a mule it’d kick her brains out!
ROFLMSAO!!! ADAMS!!!
I only watch NG when there is something on Haleigh.
I’d think i hit lotto if i ate one of n/g’s meals!
me too,I watched with Caylee’s case but i don’t have cable now!
I mean a person can’t help but slip in a snide remark now and again but she goes too far!
Yes she does go to far.
I feel bad for Tiger woods.
I can see why its called n/g,its all about her,I’m sorry! and you’d think shes the only woman on earth who gave birth!
I feel bad for Nancys husband,LoL
Tiger sounds like Richard Nixon, Jimmy Swagger, Jim baker.
that should of been “Swaggart”… ohh yeah… Gary Hart, too.
If he had not read his apology,it just seem’s to fake!But still imo he didn’t have to give one,only to his family!
Can you imagine his wife when all these sex tapes and stories came out,OMG!
I do feel bad for her!
brb hopefully,theres some hardware or something thats interfering again,i dont get it!Ive done everything,it keeps booting me again!!!
Um…someone out to tell the tabloid shows hosts that the tapes are days and sometimes a week or more old by the time they are released.
…someone ought to tell, I meant to say.
HollyG put this on up on the other thread… way better that all the previous
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=67545689001#/News/Misty+Croslin+Undercover+/50619441001/50624658001/67545689001
CathyJo;
(((HUGGS)))) I wanted to say thanks for sharing earlier. I also wanted to say that I would love to read your story in the form or a short story. I can even offer you a platform to post it, if you’d like. I think it’s a story that needs to be told. Email me.
Blue Moon;
You’re as well.
There are many of us who post here that have had such tragedies in our lives. I’ve often thought that’s why we care so much about Haleigh and these issues.
Hey Cent…
WHere’d everybody go???
Hollys, said: CathyJo;
(((HUGGS)))) I wanted to say thanks for sharing earlier.
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I second that CathyJo. I am so sorry for your loss and what you have endured. I have been reading and posting sporadically this past week. I read your story and it is heart breaking. I am so sorry for you and your family.
Thank you Hollys. I will be in touch soon. Still waiting for some important answers…I will see you on the flip side!
Hello….helllo….anybody home? LOL
Another interesting distinction….UC makes sure Misty hands the $$$ to ROn…..ooopps!!!
IMO, If Ron were “in on it” they both (Ron & UC)would have made Misty accept the payment….;)
Hey HollyG… I’m here, I was looking at the your link!!
I think that what TN & Ron are meaning is that M9isty behind bars is the SILVER LINING to a very bad situation. Please….so not worth it…The LE could have caught MIsty without Ron’s help had he NOT been involved (Organizer, Leader, Money Man). Note Misty says she has no job….no income other than her parents (per initial court hearing) but they are able to buy 200 pills from UC? Who’s money was it? Not Misty’s, right? You guys will all probably be sick when it all comes out, if what I suspect is true…..I forget how much they paid but I’m sure it’s a lot for someone who works at a tree trimming job to pay all at once. Maybe from previous sales but I don’t think they want to cop to that…LOL! So, where did the $$$ come from????
Ok what was Ron counting…. it’s unclear to me, where they trading pills… what was the UC putting in her purse?
So, did you see anything “new”? LOL! I sure did!
Ron was counting baggies of 10 pill per baggie and there were 10 sets. Both he & Misty count thier “sacks” and each say “Yep, it’s a 100!” LOL!
They discussed that he didn’t want to do the bathroom thing, just for her to go inside and he would put them in her purse. But then he has them BOTH count and when he hands Misty the money he instructs her to pass it to Ron, so they BOTH accepted the money! LOLOLOL! If Ron had been “In on it” this would not have happened.
So what do you think about the phoe call and Ron telling her how to pull off the bATHROOM SWAP? What about the call “home” to say UC was “running late” HOOOT!!!
How about when Ron first gets in and tells the UC he had been rollin a blunt in his truck…LOL! Does that sound like he’s “in on it”? Not to me….
I saw a lot! check your email
What they don’t seem to understand (both Ron, Misty & others) is that when they are so blatantly LYING at every turn, they look more and more capable of ANYTHING! Keep lying guys, eventually, we’ll catch up to you….it’s comming!
Misty clearly stated in those visits with her parents that she KNOWS SOMETHING OF VALUE and she is WILLING TO TRADE! I hope her attorney works fast to cut her deal so we can get this info she still has and has kept hidden for over a year!!! The more Misty is upset by jail, the less she is afraid of someone on the outside or Ron. SHe WILL talk to help herself, it’s only a matter of time.
LE wanted them both and LE got them both. There is no defense on the drug charges. Their only hope now is some kind of plea-bargain for reduced charges.
replied!!
Hey Guys,Thanks everybody for your kind words! I appreciate it more than you know!!!!!!
Holly’s,I wonder,didn’t the money owed for cs child support go to Ron and he bought that new car with it?Omy,what if he used that?
Agreed!
O yea,he was counting them out in the backseat!!
Cathy… I believe he spent that money sometime ago.
Yes, and donation jar monies….The prosecution WILL ask and they will have to answer….maybe one of them will tell for a sweet….
Where did you see about the blunt,Hollys! I missed that!
Yes, Ron is FULLY involved. He determined the re-location spot, he agrred to continue the deal, he instructed, he accepted the merch, he confirmed what the merch was, he accepted the cash for merch….
wow Hollys,very interesting!
Another thing we know is that Ron doesn’t think a drug deal gone bad was responsible for taking Haleigh. He told us he would be dead, himself, if that were the case. I hope they keep on talking. The more they talk, the more they let out. They aren’t just repeating their rehearsed dialogue, now.
Sheds a little different light on the sitch, huh?
There are other videos. One question that comes to mind is if Hope got charged for her “ride-along” with Misty, why didn’t Ron? He’s clearly there, in the backseat next to Hope who is behind UC. Maybe due to Hope acting as middle man but am unsure….
ANybody know?
I agree Karon…the more they say…the better!
Someone had said earlier that they found it very telling that those who supposedly have no idea how Haleigh went missing are insistant that various senarios couldn’t have happened.
“No drug boys”
and various other senarios they’ve seemed to rule out right away.
I’ve been meaning to make a listing of all the quotes with video of family members talking about Haleigh in the past tense. There are quite a few. I need it for the forensics science on linguistics.
Maybe b/c Hope is a minor?
why did she start breathing so hard after he reach the stash to her?
Misty’s is hollering, ” Baby, Baby” at Ron. So much for just friends.
everytime i open a video i get booted..grrrrrr
Hope is not a minor. born in 1991
be dead himself? OMG Hold it here………now thats frightening!
You’d think Ron & MIsty would catch a child endangerment charge for involving her….If she went in to get the pills from source and then Misty sold those pills to UC, she is more involved then just a person who is along for the ride ie Ron since he doesn’t seem to interact much on that one (I think cause it’s the first deal). Does anyone remeber if Hope had any actual interaction?
Oh, i thought someone here earlier said she was 17?sorry but,lol someone did!
Hollys, I recall in the incident reports something about Hope having gone into a location with Misty to get the goods, then they came out together and both got into the UC vehicle. I do not recall that Hope actually possessed either the pills or the payment at any point. There is a decent possibility that Hope’s charge could be reduced, especially if this is her first offense.
But I’m just guessing.
I think that is a flip remark, not meaning it in a literal sense. He is setting the stage for what “could have happened” IF (ha ha) he was a drug boy.
yea and Misty was 16 and he gave them to her so maybe thats “another” reason they got married?
Karon Cox said,in February 19th, 2010 at 9:53 pm Misty’s is hollering, ” Baby, Baby” at Ron. So much for just friends.
LOL!!! But don’t you know he really loves his NEW GF!!! I think that should tell BOTH of those females something!!!
ANother LIE exsposed!
My problem is the tapes that are released are not R & C and Co. SELLING the pills, but buying (?) them from a UC, that is a set-up, sorry…We need to video of R & C, Co. SELLING them to really do some damage IMO.
Buying could be for personal consumption, SELLING would have and INTENT attached, IMO
I too had thought Hope 17, someone said she was just a little less than a year younger than Misty. Misty had only been 18 for a few days at that point. Maybe it’s the other way around and MIsty is younger than Hope. I believe that the source of pills was THROUGH Hope, that’s why she is charged, maybe….
Oh, we’ll get to see them buying & selling….they have them, we’ll see them soon.
Blue… that’s is a Hmmmmmmm moment.
I wonder too why the buys are not released.
There are at least two incidents of the UC giving Misty cash. I remember because I chuckled when she stuffed it in her bra.
They have them on tape buying and selling.
That’s right Blue Moon
The reason LE planned it this way…
1) Get them to sell a few
2) Build up a trust
3) Offer to sell them a large quantity for their DISTRIBUTION
4) Bust them DOwn!
So if the UC is supplying the pills…I am not really sure what the aim is here. That scratches out Hollywood Hank, etc. from supplying. SO, all this time were they getting the pills from the cops? Cause they cannot expect us to believe that all of this CRAP happened out of LUCK over the past month…
IMO, ROn was aware this was a possibility but went through with it anyway.
No, Hank rolled on them when he went down for DR shoppin….they started the investigation and found out they WERE selling to others and then they launched a sting operation to acatch them. They can’t launch that kind of investigation without some proff, right? SO then they get the goods on them for selling a few, several times then they offer to sell a large quantity for them to distribute through their sales.=TRAFFICKING It’s classic and I can almost not believe Ron fell for it…that’s why he was jumpy, in and out of the car, and paranoid….he know it stunk of a bust commin down.
OMG!..did you see misty’s hair when she walked into court? That screams F U to the judge..thats a gangster ‘do’ big time
The UC didn’t supply the pills in the videos we saw with Ron & Hope, then Misty alone, right?
So who did? Hank Sr? GGMA? (Very likely since they had been at her house-she was supposedly out of town ,I believe), TN? PaPa Jeff? DB? Who???
OJ’s
I thought so too! Very “in your face” if you ask me.
You’d think she’d be playin up the “I’m just a kid still” angle more…. Soft hair, soft demeanor, etc…
But Hollys, I still have never understood, the “WE (cops) will give you the merchandise” to bring yourself down!! It does not make sense. There was a dealer in my previous hometown, same thing happened. I just don’t see, if I was a juror or judging these folks how they DEEM that this is not a set up?? They were supplied from the freakin cops!! HE put the pills in Mistys Purse!! I could understand the hullaballou IF R&M came to the UC peddling the drugs.
Yes, I think he was the one, he gave them Ron and Misty to COUNT! He GAVE them to them!!
And Hollys, you Know me, I am on your side. I just have these questions….
Many of the deals started with the UC calling Misty on her cell. She would then get the goods and call him back with instructions on where to be, and when, to complete the transaction.
UC did not force them to buy or sell. They chose to do it. They could have just said no.
Blue;
But what about them accepting payment readily and smilingly? They counted the merch, agreed it was the correct amounts, how is that a set-up? How is LE going to catch people like this if they can’t use this method? I see them willing participants so they are guilty. They sold pills that came from other people prior to the big buy from UC? They obviously were buying quantities from others, hence Hope contact & Kelly contact….they have been doing this for some time now….People have been calling them on it since day one only to be told they are wrong or there is no proof…Now there is proof, right?
Of Course Cath!! They should have said no. Beside the point when the UC is PLACING pills in M’s purse!! Mind you I am not, will never be on R & M ‘s side in regards to Haleigh, but the cops need to get it right and solid!!!
And yes, I know we are on the same side and I DO understand why you have reservations about this….I can see where you’re comming from too.
Blue Moon…that was AFTER she had accepted the money from him. He was only giving her what she had paid for.
SHe wants bathroom swap, UC says no, you just go in and I’ll put them in your purse she agrees and exits the car, UC puts them inside purse, Misty returns, UC tells them to count, they do, agree to amounts, pass cash…..so maybe it;’s a technicality about the purse drop
Well we know from DB that they sold pills, so I think we can rest assure that its on tape too. Just how many times was Ron there to sell?
I really wish he had just gotten her to accept right therein front of the camera, but maybe since he never left the car, it’s still usable.
Good Point Hollys!! Playing Devils advocate..here.YES, they are very guilty, but we all need to remember what M’s atty will come up with, and also how they will defend this bunch. She has been zipped so now we will all sit back and wait…However, the timeframe DOES NOT add up. They have been on this for some time now, not just one month or so..
The way it was explained to me to prove entrapment you have to prove that it was not something the person would normally do. A good example of entrapment is the milquetoast bookkeeper who was sitting at a bar one night. Never did a wrong thing in his life, not even jaywalking. He was approached by a female UC who offered him you know and he at first refused but after talking to him for two hours he finally succumbed and went upstairs with her, where he was promptly cuffed. THAT is entrapment. When a person repeats behaviors over several days and weeks it is not entrapment. At least that’s the way it was explained to me.
sorry that came out wrong. she wanted him to bring the bags inside and he said no, they were too large and could not be hidden very well. She said she had her purse, and said OK I’ll put them in your purse.
I have not read the incident report on that particular incident yet. I read all the others though. The incidents that had come before that one. ANd remember, they were not charged in that incident until the tapes of the incident had been reviewed by LE, to see if there was reason to charge them. And apparently LE feels there was.
So far I’ve seen him in the vehicle in 3 different videos of 2 different sell dates and the pill buy video…..Hope, “Don’t tell”, and Busted!
SO why only 1 charge on him? or did they update? Didn’t Misty & Ron both get 2 more charges added? I know MIsty did, but did Ron?
Althea, good point
Althea, I think that’s why there are so many incidents on tape. I think LE did not want to arrest on just one or two incidents as that can sometimes be open to explanation. But a number of times of the same activity is just about impossible to explain away.
yes, everyone…great discussion…
IMO, Ronald is only sitting back letting Misty take the lead on these sales & buy is because UC is HER contact. Otherwise, he’s Lead Dog.
Hollys, Ron and Misty both got additional charges. His bond was raised when those were added, as was hers.
THank you…I had thought so but wanted to be sure…
What else is telling is the way Misty’s demeaner changed when UC suggested the other spot.. and she seemed scared/nervous when she spoke to Ron. It’s written all over her face.
If LF & JB where their suppliers previously then the UC buy was to EXPAND their operations… DB was also supplying them at that time….If they could unload/sell 200 pills in a few days (lets say 3 or 4) then over th course of a month they could sell over 1500 pills. How long had they been in biz? People on scene, day 1 or 2 recall seeing Ron with a pocketfull of pills and making claims that he could get anyone, anything they wanted…. Misty admits that they used to or usually sell pot, Ron discussed rolling a blunt with UC….I think people from Ron’s past need to start talking and tell what they know about him, his drug sales, and anything else that might lead to Haleigh.
Yes, she knew he’d be upset but still felt compelled to follow through even with Ron wanting to back off, IMO. He smelled a rat but still foolwed through hoping to score big.
Me, In reference to your 5:52pm post. I feel your post was rediculous. What is going on right now is Rons fault. He is immature, thoughtless, and irresponsible. I have said it before and I will say it one more time. I am suspicious of him, but not convinced if he had anything to do with Haleighs disappearance. I suppose you feel Ron is not at fault at this point and time for what is currently happening.
To answer your rediculous question NO I would not blame Ron! You really need to let the hate you have for Crystal go and start praying for her. Why would anyone want to see someone fail. I pray for those now in jail and feel no hate towards them. It would have been great to see Ron turn his life around after his beautiful daughter went missing and be a better parent to his son until Haleigh returned, but that is not the case here. If Crystal would of had Haleigh and Jr in her care when Haleigh disappeared and living the same lifestyle as Ron has been doing I would say the same about her. That is not the case here though. Now is it?
For it to be a trafficking offense, it has to entail a certain amount of drugs (amount varies depending on the drug) and be both buying and selling.
Misty claims she is wrongfully charged with trafficking because she thinks trafficking means going over state lines. She claims since it was all local, it is not trafficking. That’s why she keeps saying she’s innocent of the charges.
I had read somewhere recently, a local posted, can’t remember where, maybe here or WS, that many of the locals know Ron as a drug dealing thug and have ALWAYS considered him the likeliest suspect. I’ll try to remember where to repost.
You’re right cathartic…I’ll look for verification of amounts & post…
What did Ron actually when he was exiting the car,…
Catharic, trafficking is the amount I think not going over state lines.
Holly, I took it the other way
I really think that we all need to think about the fact that FDLE and FBI are involved. This means BIG, they think it went out of the county, possible out of state, IMO
Drug Trafficking Charges in Florida:
Florida statutes define drug trafficking as:
Any person who knowingly sells, purchases, manufactures, delivers, or brings into this state, or who is knowingly in actual or constructive possession of (a controlled substance). These are felonies in nature, and they carry significant prison terms as consequences.
Here’s why they needed to verify how they were packaged, how many, etc….
Intent to Distribute
Being charged with possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute adds a degree of seriousness to any drug-related charge. Several facts could lead to this charge, including storing these controlled substances in SEVERAL SMALL PACKAGES or even a notepad with phone numbers and schedules being found in the defendant’s home.
Proof of prior sales applies as well…
http://www.orlandodruglawyer.com/drugcrimes.html
Link to quote
LOL Hollys, I looked it up in Florida statutes while reading the incident reports. And according the statutes, they are correctly charged.
Cent;
ROn exitting the car? or him looking for cameras like he knew they’d be there? Some of it loks off but why make him accept the cash & count…why not let Misty do it all? That puzzles me…
Smuggling
Drug smuggling is the act of transporting any controlled substance into Florida illegally with the intent to either distribute or possess said controlled substance. Given that these issues often involve crossing state lines, these offenses are often federal in nature, and federal sentencing guidelines are very serious in nature.
This is the charge that Misty thinks she’s been charged with….Ummm not yet…but it’s comming…They can prove she brought DB sourced pills from NC/TN/ SC whereever but FL and they both are smugglers…
Holly, my sister says he said something like… “I can make that money in two weeks.. and eat them my self”!
As he was exiting back seat
LE is SLOWLY tightening the screws….keep watching…it’s gonna get UGLY! Mom & Dad both will be behind bars with them and maybe a few on ROn’s side before it’s said & done…
The reason Sr & Ma want Misty to talk is to better their deals through Misty….that’s obvious. I hope the succed in getting her to talk and if they can maybe that warrents a little in their favor.
Yes, he did say that. At first he told UC that he could get rid of them in a few days…3 or 4 but UC tells him he won’t have any more for 2 weeks so Ron says “Yea, I can definately get rid of them by 2 weeks….even if I eat them myself” He exits the car then looks back to see blue lights and says “This MFer” just before hitting the deck.
Blue Moon, in one of the incident reports it says when the UC officer called Misty back, she told him she was on her way back from _______.
I left that blank because I do not remember the name of the state. I think it was Georgia, but geez I am too tired tonight to go through the incident reports looking for that. I just know the report said she had gotten a call from the UC, gave him instructions to call her back at a specific time, and when he did she told him she had the goods and was on her way back from [whatever state it was].
What was not clear to me from the report is if she had traveled out of state to get the goods.
That last statement about UC tells me that although Ron was suspicous of a bust he wasn’t for sure and was saying “Man, I knew this was gonna go bad, but I did it anyway”.
Thanks for confirmation… I’m gonna watch again, now
She & Donna had gone to NC to call & do the LEvi Page show about Road Rage II. Levi verifies they called from DB’s residence in NC. This is when they go to dentist and DB gets her free dental care & perscription(s). THen they call UC to say they are comming back from NC, they were in GA by then I think, and told him they had the merch and will be back in town at such-n-such time. To meet them then. They made plans to meet and followed through with drug sale of DB’s pills from NC….They can be traced back to manufacture date & site as well as what pharmacy got them and sold them. It’s comming, they just have to get the documented proof.
A chemist has to break the pills down and through microscopic elements can prove where exactly they were manufactured, then where they were shipped to and who bought them. THen both DB & Misty transported them into FL. Proven by verbal & physical evidence. All they need is to prove where the pills originated.
I gotta get ready for work…BRB
Cathartic said: What was not clear to me from the report is if she had traveled out of state to get the goods.
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It looks like it. However, there have been sooo many band aids on this case…I am soo confused now…
Hollys..my bed time was 10pm!! At the latest…look what you made me do!! You booger!!
It’s in the report that she said she was in another state and that she had the pills.
The report does not state that she said she was on her way back WITH the pills.
This is not proof she went out of state that day to get drugs. It infers it, but does not prove it.
True…but manufacturer trail could prove…
I gotta go to work…catch up with ya’ll in about an hour….Sorry Blue….just got on a roll…
Goodnight everyone, I have been reading all your brainstorming and I have learned quite a bit. HollyGmom nice to see you. I will be back tomorrow to catch up. God Bless you all and Haleigh.
HollysGmom said,in February 19th, 2010 at 9:38 pm Yes, and donation jar monies….The prosecution WILL ask and they will have to answer….maybe one of them will tell for a sweet….
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Wow, that’s some serious slander unless you have proof he stole from donation jars, and I’m confident you don’t.
You say they will have to answer?….not in the USA they won’t have to answer. Just like any citizen, they have the right to silence and do not have to answer anything. LE are lucky they got to interview her for 30 hours without a lawyer present. And a year later they still have nothing.
entrapment big time..misty and ron were set up..what jury won’t believe that?
cathartic said,in February 19th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
UC did not force them to buy or sell. They chose to do it. They could have just said no.
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They weren’t “forced” but you don’t have to be “forced” to establish entrapment. Forced would equate to a possible defence of duress, but the test for entrapment is quite different.
ENTRAPMENT
A person is ‘entrapped’ when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
Hi, me! what is the current test for entrapment?
hey guys!
Hey, welcome back CathyJo.
I was posting drug info,i dont see it,lol
Ty Cath!
I don’t know why it wouldn’t post! LoL
Maybe there is a way to get out of it unless they have an air tight case!
Pretty scary ain’t it?
cathy…shut your piehole!
you post too much..
I dont get why Misty started breathing so heavy when she said the uc may have to take her home?
Knock it off OJ!
Cathy, it seems as though she had been running.
Yea it did didn’t it??
yes, maybe that was one of those times that she had been walking with Ron and/or Hope. I don’t really know the specifics of the reports, but I remember they walked a distance.
Well thats probably true,I forget theyre not all together.just snips of them!
CathyJo, it appears to me that there are only one or two subsections of the FL statute you posted above that apply to the topic under discussion, why did you post a torrent of extraneous information?
OJ’s glove said,in February 20th, 2010 at 12:11 am cathy…shut your piehole!
you post too much..
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What is your problem O.J? Are you in 2nd grade or something! You are always a nasty person who is preoccupied with my posts!
I am tired of avoiding it!!
I try to be nice to everybody,even you but its impossible,you need to grow the hell up!
I didn’t realize i had copied all that,till it was to late!accident!
I guess i’ll have to pay more attention as to who is here before i can post?
Cathy, don’t worry about it!!
Actually I dunno how i copied all that,the page wasnt that big! I thought!
I’m not Adams,It aint worth it! you can drive a horse to water but you still can’t make him drink!
Cathy, you can always have Jan delete what you don’t want.
I wish she would,I think i did that last night too,lol
Usually it goes fine for me,lol and now too everytime i open a video it shuts my pc off! I’ve gotta find the glitch!
You can PM her!
I don’t have messenger on mine,memory is too low,lol
OJ’s glove, you are right, if Misty isn’t lying about Haleigh she will not go to prison. Between the evidence of entrapment, her age and the fact that she has a previous clean record she will get probation or maybe a treatment center. IMO
Me, yes the slander and BS are so deep here tonight I am just going to bed.
I’ve had computer trouble… mine started with the fan, now if I shut it down (off)… it takes like 20 minutes to get to windows.
Oh No Adams! A pc is the best thing you can have when it works right,but I have no patience when it don’t! LoL
Yeah… it’s crazy, and I can’t live without mines.
LoL Me either,May as well take my arms!
Wonder when we’ll get the new videos!!
wow,Hank couldn’t even hug Misty in court today!
which he should have known they wouldn’t!
OJ’s glove said,
in February 20th, 2010 at 12:11 am
cathy…shut your piehole!
you post too much..
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OJ PLEASE, YOU ARE EMBARRASSING YOUR SELF, EXPOSING YOUR HORRENDOUS IMMATURITY AND STUPIDITY.
CathyJo, everyone, ignore OJ when he behaves so poorly. His mama must notta taught him any manners.
Did you see Misty mouthing something to them, as she was being led out of court?
i just opened my 1st one in 2 days that didn’t boot me!
yes Adams,she said come see me!
Hey guys….I’m back
Why is discussion of the FACTS considered slander? Isn’t it by definition NOT slander if it can be proven to be true???
Yes, please go see her some more…we need more videos…LOL!
Because at the time they need an excuse for what they don’t wanna hear Holly’s..imo
Hey.. HollyG
I have to agree….if they can’t defend then attack it is..
IMO They slander themselves!
Any new nuances we can discuss? Anybody find anything new in vids?
I want to rewatch the video of Hank Sr & Misty when he asks her if Haleigh can come home and Misty thinks he can’t see her and shakes her head no….
Exactly,and I can’t prove it but i think these bully posters have diff personalities,they come in 2’s!if ya get my drift Holly’s!
Speaking of that… did you guys get what that reporter was saying about him taking that 17 sec to comment back to her. And also, something about putting his fingers to his mouth.. like they were speaking in code.
I’ve had my eyes peeled for new ones! LoL
Hollys, I saw one conversation where Hank asked if she thought Haleigh could come home and Misty replied, “Of course.”
Adams,yea i am curious about the 17 secs!
Yes Cath,and she said well i don’t know that for sure or something similar!
I do have to wonder though,if Hanks wants her to tell or they are coding!
Misty and that shaking her head no, after saying yes. Well, Casey syndrome, or perhaps telling Hank to leave the subject alone. It’s all a bit De Ja Vue!
It sure is!!
Yes, BAC, Casey kept saying, “All we have to do is find Caylee, and bring her home.”
cathartic…thanks for posting the definition of entrapment!
athelea…hi, I think the definition cathartic provided is a good one.
I’m still convinced that Misty didn’t harm HaLeigh. But I don’t like the behavior/reaction she is displaying on her visits. I’m starting to fear the worst.
Right Adams,that me too…….I don’t but theres something she is hiding,But in all the interviews of Today show and N/g i don’t think she did anything but maybe covered for someone who did!
She also kept saying… she’s near, I can feel it. Cindy was giving leading questions, and so was Hank.
or she really was not home!
I think that post someone made about the predator watched and knew she left every night seems possible!
HollysGmom said,in February 19th, 2010 at 10:43 pm I had read somewhere recently, a local posted, can’t remember where, maybe here or WS, that many of the locals know Ron as a drug dealing thug and have ALWAYS considered him the likeliest suspect. I’ll try to remember where to repost.
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In case you haven’t heard, Kim P has exposed the fact that her, Marie, Crystal and others set out on a deliberate campaign of hate directed towards Ron at WS. I still have to wonder why. Would have thought their main concern should have been finding Haleigh, not internet trashing her father.
ahhhh?? Where did you see that Adams,crap i’ve missed that!
YW me.
And if anyone is interested in the def of slander, it is saying something that is known to be false that damages a person’s good name.
CathyJo63 said,
in February 20th, 2010 at 1:17 am
ahhhh?? Where did you see that Adams,crap i’ve missed that!
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What?
Thats true to Me,personally imo i think bad of Geraldo for that,put a split between them knowing they needed to stick together….for HALEIGH!
Yea, she says “of course” but shakes her head no…that’s when he stops talking for those 17n seconds. right? Just after? I gotta watch again to see.
She’s near i can feel it??
cathartic said,in February 19th, 2010 at 10:33 pm Althea, I think that’s why there are so many incidents on tape. I think LE did not want to arrest on just one or two incidents as that can sometimes be open to explanation. But a number of times of the same activity is just about impossible to explain away.
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Their case would be much stronger if they had them in at least one transaction with someone other than the undercover. It’s odd that they watch them for a month and the only deals that take place are with the undercover, and I’m sure Fields will use that to his advantage. If they caught them dealing to others as well, their case would be much stronger. I think there will be plea deals.
Geraldo may have been in the wrong for the way he came at them… but, yet and still isn’t Ron proving that there was some truth to the claims?
I guess what I am upset about now with Misty is that the same thing she is going to tell LP if he gets her out is the same thing she knew when Haleigh went missing! So that irks me!
Lord yes Adam’s,it is but just saying maybe he could have found a different way which woulda been hard to do but still,ya know!
and it certainly does stand out now when you hear R plead with the uc!
HollysGmom said,in February 19th, 2010 at 10:54 pm LE is SLOWLY tightening the screws….keep watching…it’s gonna get UGLY! Mom & Dad both will be behind bars with them and maybe a few on ROn’s side before it’s said & done…
The reason Sr & Ma want Misty to talk is to better their deals through Misty….that’s obvious. I hope the succed in getting her to talk and if they can maybe that warrents a little in their favor.
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I have no doubt Hank & Lisa would sell out their own daughter if it meant they might benefit. I just hope they didn’t sell their daughter’s stepdaughter for their own benefit, but certainly wouldn’t put it past them.
I bet Hank & Lisa sell that car LP bought them. They won’t be able to resist.
Cathy… Casey said “She’s near, I can feel her”… “she’s close”
Me;
What makes you think it was Marie, KP or one of thier crew? It wa a RECENT statement…
Ohhhhhh Ok,i know she did,i thought you meant M said that too,LoL I was like omy!!
Cathy… Misty spoke similar words.
I’ve spoken, personally with several locals and they ALL say the same thing….deny it if you want…It certainly isn’t liable if it’s perceived as common knowledge…..
Me,
I too believe there will be plea deals. I believe some or all of the charges will eventually be reduced. I do not see them doing lengthy prison sentences.
I will not say they don’t deserve prison, only that I do not think they will go.
There is no way for us to know if any of them had deals with others. The UC transactions are on tape because the UC vehicle was equipped with recording devices. Deals may have gone down with others that were not taped. Or not. We just do not know one way or the other.
We have been told that LE was tipped off that they were dealing. And with that tip, they set up the sting to catch them.
But I do feel they will not be doing serious time on any of the drug charges. These kinds of cases are routinely plea-bargained down to misdemeanors, and sometimes charges are dropped altogether.
It hurts me to even type those words, but to be honest I feel it will go this way.
Yes Adams,alot of the similarity to casey,what shocked me!
And when she said,I am in here but I need to be out,and i hope i am out before the vigil,not a direct quote but similar!
I know one thing,she wore the wrong hair for the courtroom!
I think LE was tipped off, and they did some watching/surveillance on them…. possibly caught on camera. Then that led to the sting. I would think LE had to have probably cause, besides just a tip, in order to even authorize the start of the operation.
Jax4 new video commentary that spells out what these videos mean to the prosecution.
The best witnesses against Misty & Ron are…Misty & Ronald.
Check it out!
http://www.news4jax.com/video/22616431/index.html
Ronald telling UC what pills and how many of each he can get….Oh yea, he’s wayyyy involved.
Hmm Adams,I wonder too if hank didn’t give the tip thinking Ronald was the leader in the drugs and Misty wasn’t into dealing,cause he did say,Misty couldn’t do that??
I saw that one,more coming though Holly’s…..I think!
That’s my point cent,
Are we to believe that the State of FL would launch this sting/investigation without hard core proof? I just can’t believe that to be true. I can’t see the Superior officers allowing the sting without some.
I wonder if that is DB.
Maybe he thought he’d get rid of R that way?
b/c hank said on that video with Misty that he’d told her not to be around him or something!
Holly, I believe that LE had proof, if they didn’t there is no way, that I can see, that the case would have even gotten this far.
I whole-heartedly have to agree cent.
New videos?…Where? Where? LOL
Another curiosity… LE saying that the state attorney office (paraphrasing), decided to pursue this case separately from HaLeigh’s.
I think that was in the statement on how the sting came about.
SO DON’T QUOTE ME.
We do not know when the tip came in. LE could have been watching them for days, weeks, or months prior to the sting.
I will say that they do not appear to me to be new to dealing. Common sense tells me they had deals with others even during the time they were involved in deals with the UC.
The problem with cases like this is that LE, judges and prosecutors do not like the mandatory minimum sentencing laws. The laws were meant to nab the supplier, not the street-level dealer. But what the law has actually done is put the street dealers in prison while the bigger fish remain untouchable. Judges have been forced by mandatory minimum sentencing to put young first-time offenders away for many years, and they don’t like it.
She says of course then shakes her head no….
God’s gonna bring her home….cause no one else can.
Deja Vu….. Which home? People often refer to Heaven as home.
Hollys Gmom said,in February 20th, 2010 at 12:53 am Hey guys….I’m back
Why is discussion of the FACTS considered slander?
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Wow…do you know what a fact is? You might wanna do some research on that. Then perhaps you can look up what “slander” means and how bloggers like you can be sued for it, and frankly, I hope you are. You just can’t help spreading nasty lies, can you?
So Hollys, have you seen Haleigh lately? Where was it again that you say you saw her? I know you said she was on the way to a Sheffield party. Why do you think that?
Ha HA…no more so then you…shall I pull some of your posts to prove?
slander
Definition
slan·der[ slándər ]To hear the pronunciation, Install SilverlightNOUN
slan·ders plural
1. saying of something false and damaging: the act or offense of saying something false or malicious that damages somebody’s reputation
2. false and damaging statement: a false and malicious statement that damages somebody’s reputation
TRANSITIVE VERB
slan·dered past and past participle
slan·der·ing present participle
slan·ders 3rd person present singular
1. utter slander against somebody: to make a false and malicious oral statement about somebody
[ 13th century. Via Old French esclandre < ecclesiastical Latin scandalum “cause of offense” (see scandal) ]
slan·der·er NOUN
slan·der·ous ADJECTIVE
slan·der·ous·ly ADVERB
slan·der·ous·ness NOUN
Word Key: Synonyms
See malign.
FALSE & DAMAGING….Well, what I have said may be damaging to them but it certainly isn’t false…
malign
Definition
ma·lign[ mə ln ]To hear the pronunciation, Install SilverlightTRANSITIVE VERB
ma·ligned past and past participle
ma·lign·ing present participle
ma·ligns 3rd person present singular
1. criticize somebody spitefully: to criticize somebody or something in a spiteful and false or misleading way
ADJECTIVE
1. harmful or evil: harmful or evil in nature, effect, or intention
2. wishing to harm others: having or showing a desire to cause harm or pain to others
[ 15th century. Via French < Latin malignus “of evil kind” ]
ma·lign·er NOUN
ma·lign·ly ADVERB
Word Key: Synonyms
malign, defame, slander, libel, vilify
CORE MEANING: to say or write something damaging about somebody
malign to criticize somebody in a spiteful and false or misleading way;
It was an old-fashioned firm and, as such, was much maligned by younger people.
You’re maligning a man who was once your partner and a friend.
defame to attack somebody or somebody’s reputation, character, or good name by making slanderous or libelous statements;
The lawyer claims his client defamed him in a television news program.
The company spokesperson explained, “Our rivals have defamed our character and called us pirates.”
slander to make a false and malicious oral statement about somebody;
Tensions remain high between the two families, with each side slandering the other.
The general sued, claiming she had slandered him by saying he helped cover up military atrocities.
libel to publish false and malicious statements about somebody;
The detective claimed that he was libeled in a television documentary.
vilify to make malicious and abusive statements about somebody;
There is nothing to be gained by vilifying these vulnerable homeless people.
The leader of the party has been vilified as a racist.
Huh…they all say it has to be not only damaging but also FALSE…..
Please point out what lie I’ve told????
Please point out which lie I’ve told? I can only remember discussing the facts contained in the videos, today anyway.
No I haven’t seen Haleigh nor any other child that looks like her NOR HAS ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER….that’s the problem…..also I did think she was on her way to Crystal’s IF it had been Haleigh that I had seen.
However, I have said since that day in April that I was unsure even at that time if it was her or not and only reported it to be on the cautious side. At least I do give room for error…..DO you?
Huh? What? Nothing to say???
HollysGmom said,
in February 19th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
The UC didn’t supply the pills in the videos we saw with Ron & Hope, then Misty alone, right?
So who did? Hank Sr? GGMA? (Very likely since they had been at her house-she was supposedly out of town ,I believe), TN? PaPa Jeff? DB? Who???
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Do you think this might qualify for slander?
This is just one of many that could justify
charges.
Um Nope!!! That was a question asking others who they thought the pills may have originated from. A lot of people are all over the web saying WAY worse…so maybe she’they better start with them first…..yea right…
misty was set up big time…
can u spell e n t r a p m e n t ?
Others just last night were laughing and talking about how TN was gettin evicted….
Websleuths….
“No pills for the bills” was one, there are several…..
LOL I’m not near as “slanderous” as many others are….they’d spend the rest of their lives sueing commentors all over the WORLD if this was such an easy task.
I ran across an article from about a woman who lives in FL being viciously maligned by an ex boyfriend. He bought a website that includes her WHOLE name including middle name. Then posted about supposed previous drug use, sexual escapades, etc. The reporter & lawyer for her case said she MIGHT have a slander lawsuit…..MIGHT….there is a website that contains extreme lies only about & directed at her and she MIGHT have a case…LOL
Then everyone would be sued, me included!!
Honestly, what is it that you guys would like to see in HollyG’s posts? “I think”, “I believe”, “it’s my opinion” “I heard”.
Too many of your questions are attacking and vile. You have degraded this blog and are an
insult to Simon and Jan Barrett.
Hey….I’ve got an idea…why don’t you guys hike on over to WS and tell them that they are being slanderous? Go tell them how they are all lying….THey’ll run you out on a rail!
Perhaps WS is where you belong, maybe they would appreciate the trash you write. Simon and Jan Barrett have worked hard to build a respectful blog and most of us would appreciate it staying that way.
JIMBOB,
Then why don’t Simon and Jan lock her out, keep her from posting? Please don’t say it’s because they’re kind, generous, and too nice.
Because while I do believe them to be what I listed, I can NOT see them sitting there twiddling their thumbs, hoping she will go away on her own, IF they felt the way you do!!
If they felt that THEIR site was being degraded, I’m sure they would handle it!!
Here’s some quotes from other sites that MIGHT be slanderous
“Sounds like they snuck out in the dead of night. Wonder if NG got wind of this yet. Her exclusive interviewee acting like a common sneak thief.” about TN eviction
“I’m guessing those paying the rent with certain activities are now unavailable for such activities….. ” Same thread
“go Figure, I swer the Cummings Clan is no better than the Croslin Clan. If Teresa would have stepped up that night last February and took her grandchildren home with her. I would bet she would not have a missing grandchild.
They are all a piece of work.
How much you wanna bet she used her rent money to put in Ronald’s commisary and phone minutes. No matter what the cost Teresa is proud of Ronald!! ”
“Without suppliers of stashie……..they got no cashie. Bummer. ”
“No pillz for da billz…”
I think they’ve got even bigger fish to fry then me….
And then some people swear they aren’t attacking…. You need to open your eyes to the FACT that as of now, the majority of people commenting on this case are opposed to Ron & Co and feel his lifestyle choices DIRECTLY impacted his children and potentially caused Haleigh’s abduction….
HollyG, it’s all about perception, there will never be a happy medium.
beautiful*adams (cent), I am sure they will handle it but this vile trash usually starts when it is not being monitored. I have also
noticed they have deleted some comments recently.
Good night.
Goodnight Jimbob!
May I suggest this: Don’t take the bait. When someone baits you, ignore them. It’s easy and it’s effective.
cathartic….you’re so right….
Yep Hollys…It’s not always easy though, it’s hard sometimes. But it takes two to tango. Those wanting an argument will not continue for long if no one responds.
With this case I find just about anything is possible. It’s a sad time when you’re hard-pressed to find redeeming qualities in a family, any family.
Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day for us all!!!
True cathartic;
Especially since I feel I am being baited to a fight so that there will be grounds to “evict” me.
BAcent; It is sad….I don’t think any of them are capable of murder, maybe an accident at most. Well, I do tend to have some concerns over TC, maybe due to Haleigh not being blood related. I also don’t think they are terrible horrible people. Misguided, lack of education & motivation, in denial, bad decisions & choices, etc….
BAC, I am no not at all impressed with either side.
I have tried to give them the benefit of the doubt. I have considered stranger abduction, and still have no proof it wasn’t. But the cavorting around all over the state and beyond, the wedding, and now the drug stuff…it just all makes me angry, ya know? I mean, a child is missing and in the face of that I cannot fathom how one simply goes about life as usual.
Well, maybe it’s just me. Maybe not everyone feels a need to grieve.
I don’t see them intentionally harming HaLeigh. I don’t know how far they would go when it comes to trying to get themselves out of trouble.
Cathartic, you’re not alone!! I know folks cope in different ways. But, yet I can’t understand how anyone can/would behave as if it never happened.
THen on top of the fact that they do the things that they do, others now want us to excuse their behaviors due to Haleigh being gone. Why should we be more moved by that then they are????
Are there anymore Videos out… I just went back and watched the earlier ones?
Well, my opinion is if Misty left the kids alone that night, she harmed Haleigh. Not intentionally, but by negligence.
BAC, what new videos should we be expecting? I am sure there will be more but I do you know of any in particular that are coming soon?
Cathartic, yes that would be so. I want to see more videos. No I don’t. But I had been thinking about this for some time, and I wonder if it was possible that the perpetrator is amongst us.
I know you’re addressing someone else but wanted to give me answer to the question
DB videos
Ron & TN Visitation videos
Ron’s phone calls, other than GGMA & Kentucky friend
Full length audio & video from all sales
Tommy sales video
Videos of Misty POST LP C&D letter
Ohhh….good one cent….I suppose it could be possible. ANy reason to think so that you can share?
I guess Insomina is catching up… I thought it read Kentucky Fried!!!
OK
BAC I wish I had your e-mail addy. I know you can’t post it here, just as I can’t post something that’s been on my mind.
LOL!!!! I usually do make typos so I’m surprised it doesn’t say fried instead of friend…
Well…. it’s just a thought… hang on… be back in a sec
cathartic…just click on BA’s name, it take you to her info…. I want to know too!!
Oh duh…sorry I didn’t know that!
TY Hollys.
NP…:)
Something just dawned on me….
if Crystal, Marie & co were supposed to be slandering and bashing Ron & co….
but they were telling the truth about Ron being a drug dealer and stuff…..
is it still considered bashing if it turns out to be the truth?
I’m not sure…I’ve held some pretty hard resentments against those folk because I had thought they were preading lie, but now it seems that some, if not all, of what they were saying is true…..
It takes me to a website.
Including the stuff about Ronald being abusive/violent per Misty’s statement to Court for custody hearing (Where she claims Ron was abusive) Of course this is heresay as none of us here were there or have seen the document in question due to the case being about a minor child. It has been confirmed there was a letter, I believe, that it came from Misty to the Court/Judge, and part of what it said.
Yes, that’s BA cent’s personal website…If you look at the upper right corner of the page it has her email addy
BRB
It’s not slander if it’s true. And even if it is false, it’s not slander unless it damages the person’s reputation or good name, and that usually pertains to their place in the community or place of employment, etc. And face it, there’s not much there to ruin. Their neighbors say far worse things about them than any of us have, so their reputation in their community was less than stellar long before these blogs ever existed.
What I was looking for I can’t find right now. However, remember when it was said that LE is monitoring sites? Why would they, surely NOT for advice from bloggers!
I KNOW that they do read here too….
You know how they say that a perp returns to the scene or watches the TV reports and gloats…maybe he/she found their way here from other news sites or web searches and is interacting with us?
Spooky…..
Yesssssss
The LE …..read here regularly. I wonder if they hope someone will slip and say the wrong thing or if they are reading to see if someone inside the investigation posts confidential info…..
Maybe they are hoping the perp will post something that leads them to him/her….It’s not totally outside the rhelm of possibilities.
All the mudsling I think is a ruse. If defense and offense are in action at the same time… doesn’t that leave room for “someone else”.
Let me see if I’m following you correctly….
If Ron & Crytal are busy at war….doesn’t it leave room for another party to be the guilty one?
Yes… and once again I’m a highly suspious person. I will admit that I do tend to lean towards conspiracies some times. But, it doesn’t mean that the “someone” isn’t unknown.
or known
Yes.. that should have said known. I was pretty sure that this was a situation that got out of hand.. and of course it just may be. However, I’m really leaning towards this was all planned.
Yea, think of all the times Simon, Jan or TJ have emntioned that “people here are twisting the truth to suit their own purposes” type thing….I wonder if this is what they meant.
I don’t know. But yes there are folks with their own agenda.
*mentioned
There have been some people who posted rather crude or of color remarks about Misty, prior to her joining majority too! What about the creeps who called into the radio show that time….I’m still Pizzed about that!
Hollys…it’s not recent…it was getting posted at WS shortly after she went missing. One of many malicious rumours started by people who seem more interested in trashing Ron than finding Haleigh.
cathartic…have you heard any of Ron’s neighbors speak about him? I’ve not seen one.
What’s not recent? I know some of what was considered mudslinging was drug involvement. The other was Ron being of a violent nature. I have forgotten what else.
And thieving from a donation jar meant to go for searching for your missing daughter would harm just about anyone’s reputation, except perhaps Hank & Lisa’s.
Reading back some… there was a mention of Misty supposedly signing a letter stating that Ron was abusive. But when that came out, were they in jail.
jimbob said,in February 20th, 2010 at 2:24 am Too many of your questions are attacking and vile. You have degraded this blog and are an
insult to Simon and Jan Barrett.
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I totally agree. I think there are only a few people that can stomach her posts, and they are the only ones left posting. Sad. Many intelligent people come here, but I can see why they get turned off when they read Hollys nasty posts….she’s probably got 100 of them or more on this thread.
So is it true…. it would be a hell of a coincidence if it wasn’t, seeing how Misty said DCF visited her.
Gotta go….I have a few thing to do before I start the guests breakfast @ 5:00.
Cent, see you on the flip…..
For CathyJo63 God Bless
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/Dreamfinder1997/Special/Wedding.jpg
Good morning everyone! Is anyone here yet?/
Dreamcatcher, thanks for posting Cathys picture, I was trying to view it yesterday but was unable to…so thanks! cathyjoe, nice pic! What a hansome man, and beautiful girl!
http://www.news4jax.com/video/22616431/index.html
Very strange Ron Cummings and Misty got married so soon after Haleigh went missing, how on earth can ANYONE plan a wedding at a time like that? that would be the LAST thing on my mind, I would have been out of my mind if my child was missing. This story stinks… Ron is not as innocent as everyone thinks!
In the one tape before they were busted Misty says they left a job to get the drugs then they are going to spinners , then to pick up Junior before they go back to the job.
They evidently were working doing lawn work,
Ron says its not retirement money but its good.GEEEEZZZZ. JMO
Keep them both locked up and throw the keys away, they are not an asset to society. The world is a better place without them in it.
Misty even tells the UC where they are going to pick Junior up from. UC asks where and she tells him OMG. jmo
Hey tobias, has anyone heard anymore about LP?
Not that I know of but he said Misty wanted out without telling him anything and he wont go with that. She isnt going to tell what she knows, she in my opinion is still in love with RON. He is lying about their relationship in the one undercover video she is calling him (ron) baby ewww. In my opinion she knows alot more than she is willing to tell because it will add time on her and possibly Ron. jmo
I dont see her talking at all until it sinks in how long she is going to be in prison and that wont happen until late March, but who knows maybe the pressure will get to her or she will get her sign from god that she keeps talking about. jmo
Where did everyone go???
Hollys Gmom said,
in February 20th, 2010 at 4:34 am
Once again…..please post a lie I have told cause my favorite saying is
“stop me when I lie”
Me saying it is my SUSPICION that Ron used Haleigh funds for drugs, is just MOO. I think it would be hard to prove me wrong…
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I guess since it was a trust set up by Jamie Watts, and he had to have receipts before Jamie reimbursed him you can request the books from whomever
Jen said,in February 20th, 2010 at 12:32 pm Very strange Ron Cummings and Misty got married so soon after Haleigh went missing,
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The 2009 Florida Statutes
Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 794
SEXUAL BATTERY View Entire Chapter
794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.–
(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, “sexual activity” means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.
(2) The provisions of this section do not apply to a person 16 or 17 years of age who has had the disabilities of nonage removed under chapter 743.
(3) The victim’s prior sexual conduct is not a relevant issue in a prosecution under this section.
(4) If an offense under this section directly results in the victim giving birth to a child, paternity of that child shall be established as described in chapter 742. If it is determined that the offender is the father of the child, the offender must pay child support pursuant to the child support guidelines described in chapter 61.
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I have seen two different birthdays on the web for one of the two of them; also don’t know if Misty was possibly emancipated (I THINK not, though because I seem to remember reading she had to get her parents to consent….). You will have to try to figure it out.
Jen, do you really think they planned their wedding???? That so ridiculous.
But what I want to say is focus on Misty… The “genius” that knows everything. We are talking about a 18 yr. old girl with a 6th grade education that cant tell you how much it she needs to get her out of jail and had found a way since being in jail to tell on herself and get more charges against her. You are telling me that this girl is smart to stump LE AND THE FBI???? LE can say that Misty holds the key but there is no way this girl knows anything else. If she did she would have spilled to someone. You can see how easily she trusts people from the UC tapes. She has people telling her that she could be getting set up but she choses to believe the UC cop, whoever is buy the BS that LE is saying is either brainwashed or as stupid as Misty. LE doesnt have one clue as to what happened or they do know what happened and just turning a blind eye to the REAL FACTS in this case. I guess which you believe is how much you know and how willing you are to believe that someone else could be involved. I choose to stick with the facts I have seen and none leads to Misty. They need to start looking elsewhere and look more into who has a REAL motive to do this. Im not saying they took Haleigh to harm her. I think the opposite they took her because they felt it was the RIGHT thing to do it just backfired on them and they never expected the publicity of this case. I think the door was propped open so they could go back for JR but something happened to prevent them from getting him. jmo but it makes more sense than what LE is trying to shove down our throats. Its time they told us what they do have. And why is main stream media reporting ALL OF THE NEWS???? Are they scared to say anything negative about the police??? I thought this was all about Haleigh?? If so then people need to come together to find out what is really going on or set the facts straight. Cobra has accused alot of people of alot of things. Was he lying???? If he wasnt then alot of people have gotten away with alot of illegal things.. We need all of this cleared up so we are ALL ON THE SAME PAGE!!!! I just want the truth!!!!!
Is everyone just going to pretend theres no complint against PCSO?? When can we discuss that?
denise said,in February 20th, 2010 at 1:54 pm Is everyone just going to pretend theres no complint against PCSO?? When can we discuss that?
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Well, it certainly looks like if they had been doing their job, maybe this mess would have been avoided.
But reports do indicate they had only recently gotten a new sheriff when Haleigh went missing.
There has been a Formal Complaint against Putnam County Sherriff’s Office. But the media ignores that news…. WHY?????
I dont care about Misty being hungry in jail that means nothing but if the police are hiding evidence thats the news. Im sick of waiting to see who is going to report this Im ready to find out wth is going on FOR REAL!!!
3 agencies are investigating the case. PCSD, FDLE,and FBI so its not all on the one dept.
They in my opinion can only do so much. All parties have lawyered up so they cant interagate them without cause. Some want to blame LE but I feel it should be directed at the parties involved. jmo
Who made a formal complaint against LE? And for what? Arresting people that are selling drugs? Thats what we pay them to do isnt it? jmo
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=67545689001#/News/Misty%20Croslin%20Undercover%20/50619441001/50624658001/67545689001
Thanks M2,i hadn’t see this version!
No Tobias there is alot of evidence on another website that has been gathered from the beginning Cobra is the main person giving this information and the person he is giving it to is backing it up by getting “both sides of the story” There is alot of interviews, emails, and even interviews with the investigators where the investigators knew of a “fake search” for Haleigh and bloody evidence was supposed to have been found as well as car keys with Haleigh’s belongings….funny how LE did not want the evidence that was found and didnt question the people that found the “evidence” and Crystal Sheffield’s attorney (Kim Picazio) was going around telling people how LE was telling her everything they knew about the case. There is so much more that looks so shady on the Sheffield side… Kim Picazio told this reporter that LE NEVER questioned the Sheffield family. Why Not???
Why do you think Teresa Neves called on the FBI to take over this case??
Crystal and her Lawyer were supposedly sleeping with the same person at the same time thats when things got really complicated and Kim quit/ or was fired
The arrests against Misty and the rest were within hrs. of the complaint
I was catching up so not to be behind and I sure never expected to see that!
((((((Hugs)))))
Thank you Me,I have to admit I had a good looking husband,She looks just like her daddy too! TG!
She got my brains though,thats why her dad still had his! LoL
I know CathyJo63 but I cant hold it in any longer… This is getting ridiculous!!
Yea Tobias and in the one i just watched,hadn’t seen it before but she said He’d left his job to do it?? or am i deaf?
So are my posts blocked?
Cathy click my post at 2:34
denise said,in February 20th, 2010 at 2:39 pm I know CathyJo63 but I cant hold it in any longer… This is getting ridiculous!!
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Huh..lol what did i do,why am i lost,sorry but whatcha mean?LoL
N/P with me Deinise,you can say whatever ya want to unless Jan and them say not too,I have stuck my #5 in my mouff many times!
Me,I am sorry,i didn’t know you still didn’t get to see it,everytime i turned around yesterday i got booted!
OMG! Adams..that site resembles me!!
What??
So Misty showed disdain for having to babysit on her b-day??
Well I have worried about what I can or cant say on here thats why I havent really said anything until now. I hope I dont get in trouble for speaking my mind because I want to keep up with Haleigh’s story and there is not alot of people keeping this story alive. But I also feel like if we are hear for Haleigh we should all be on the same page so we can weed through what it fact and what is not. I just want to hear that she is found. I dont know any of these people but I dont want anyone to be accused of something they have not done and I want whoever took Haleigh to be brought to justice but everyone guessing about things is not helping and Ron and Misty are not upstanding citizens but I really dont think they are smart enough to get by with something like this. Misty is as smart as a box of rocks but yet everyone wants to think she is involved or knows who is. Even intelligent people are believing this and I have to wonder why???
oh wow Adams…….I had no idea,you sure didn’t seem like there was anything wrong!
You hold it pretty well!Sorry that you do though!!And I love the part about it being you,you’ll talk like you would at home ,with friends….etc……neat! I think everyone would agree that i do that! LoL
Misty showed disdain for babysitting period. Thats because she was coming off a 3 day binge and just wanted to go to sleep and not have to worry about 2 small kids. Teresa didnt keep them because Ron didnt ask and Ron wanted Misty to keep them because he wanted to know exactly where Misty was at all times.. Its not that hard to figure out!!!!
But yes Denise,I saw the pages you are referring too,and i came in here for the 1st time and posted alot of it which btw got deleted but only b/c Jan didn’t want it here so i can see her point,I didn’t know if it was true but i went off too!Something has stunk bad from day one on this story!
Denise…. I am talking about the NEWS!!!!!
oh sorry
Denise,actually as of the past few days,I started thinking maybe Ron had the kids in his br with Misty because of that reason…..I dunno but do wonder!
All I am saying is click the link, there is a little new footage. It can possibly put a different spin on this!!
Because Ron said dope boys don’t come and get your kids,that makes me think there was another reason his kids were in their br!
youre joking,OMGGGGGGG,See i toldya,another damn goof!!!
I agree Cathy dope boys are not babysitters, kidnappers, or murderers, they just want their dope and maybe alittle sex to go with it.
You don’t see why the mattresses were in there? It should be obvious!…..
ohhh you said 2:34,i clicked 2:43! LoL
click what link for the new footage??
beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in February 20th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
****** A different view***** Wow****
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/021910-Croslin-Cummings-recorded-in-drug-bust
i DON’T SEE IT aDAMS,HELP??
I’d love to see it if theres a possible new spin!
alethea said,in February 20th, 2010 at 3:03 pm You don’t see why the mattresses were in there? It should be obvious!…..
Why do think they were Tobias?
You didn’t see the clip or the link?… Did you see the loose pills in Ron’s hand. Misty talking about her 17th B-day, babysitting HaLeigh
I thought for safety until Ron said himself.Dope boy’s don’t come get your kids like that man!
NO Adams,which link is it,I can’t find one up there,I saw the link where she said he left his job?? and they had to pick jr up?
Okay… guys, I shall leave it alone for now!!
Could be because Haleigh is scared of the dark,
could also be there so she is with everyone else. Seems she was always in that room because TN and GGSykes both said she always slept there.And the door was always open. That was on video of the tour of the MH. But who knows who is lying and who is not? JMO
But Tobia,they had just got together,what new lovers keep their 2 kids in their bedroom?? Ya know? Doesn’t make sense!
How do we know the beds were that way when Misty took off for the weekend and b/c Ron worked nights he put them in her room!
awwwwww,Im sorry Adams,you know me.crazy as a bat!
I keep posting it… it shows up on my screen… are you guys NOT seeing it posted at
2:34, 2:57, 3:06
My Fox Orlando
Seriously Tobias,soemthing weird somewhere and I don’t care who is involved as long as we find Haleigh! and as long as the right peron is held accountable!
No Adams,I am sorry it don’t…..thats what i meant last night when i said i was posting but it disappeared all my links too,thats how i mistakenly posted all that extra stuff..remember?
I see NO posts of yours for those times,lol
thats weird,I wonder why that happens Adams!
Cathy go to My fox orlando… news site. bits of new footage.
ohhhhhhhhh ok,ty gone now,brb
BA, no posts by you for any of those times are showing on my screen either.
Cathartic… I don’t know if it’s because it’s a link from a news source. Or because last I was accused by a fellow blogger of doing them wrong. As far as I can remember, I’ve never had my comments not post.
That should say last *night
ba Just saw it maybe that was not supposed to get out? She says she spent her 17 b day with Haleigh and a bunch of cussing, maybe old Ronnie didnt celebrate like she wanted? jmo
OMG,Spent her 17th birthday with Haleigh and f%$#$% her night up?? OMG That don’t sound good at all!
Mine posts rarely do now Adams!Though i can understand mine!
Tobias.. yes, I would like to see and hear what they were talking about before she said that. I’m thinking the UC was doing some digging, and as usual M started running her mouth.
And its obvious she said this AFTER HALEIGH went missing!
I could never say something like that AFTER someone has gone missing and you don’t know what happened to them!That just told me alot!!
Her birthday fell on a tuesday or wednesday then. Dec. 9-10 2008 tues. – wed.
I don’t like it one bit, it doesn’t look very good for her. 2 months later HaLeigh is gone. And remember the blind guy, saying that Misty expressed “resentment” for watching other peoples children?
Yes, she is/was a teenager… a lot of teens would feel that way. But, she had a choice, she didn’t birth those babies. Wow!!
Yea,no wonder the le is on her ass,she knows exactly what happened!IMO how could you say a little girl whose missing F%$#ED up your bday?
Cold blooded right there!
She sure did sound like she was complaining to the UC even in that tiny snip. It was always just about her even before Haleigh went missing. jmo
and it couldn’t have been spliced,she had the same blue shirt on so that shows it was the same drug trip!
I think her attorney will be busy for a long time to come!!
BA, I just viewed it, TY.
Interesting. Not much of a surprise to me, though, as it comes very close to supporting my initial theory.
Right Adams,and i tend to never ever disrespect someone who cannot speak for themselves!
What did Ron have between his teeth/lips. When he had the pills in his hand?
Got salt and pepper?I am gonna eat my crow right now!!
No crow is served up tonight… if that was on the menu… everyone would be in line at the buffet.
I was convinced Misty wouldn’t have done anything,but now i am almost certain I was wrong!
I dont think that is enough to say she is guilty just someone that thinks about herself more than anyone else. Besides we didnt get to hear the whole conversation
But the Misty i rooted for would have never even said that! But yea,its along way from proof!
I still hold to her not harming HaLeigh, I just don’t like that snip. earlier I said that we don’t know what was said/asked prior.
I would like to see the whole conversation to see if she is mad at Haleigh or is it Ron that she is peed off at? Maybe she was making a play for the UC he has everything she needs money and drugs? jmo
Okay…whats goin’ on? I have been missing videos since yeserday…What”s the problem, anybody know?…If I’m to understaND, yhere is a video of Misty complaining about her 17th b-day???…and haleigh messing it up????what??? someone, please direct me! show me the link!!
I’m thinking that it gives us a possible view into her psyche. It’s almost as if it’s now sorta known why she has re-acted the way she has during this case.
heres a diff hypnotist video,the guy talks about her faking it!
Methinks… My Fox orlando
Me,its at foxorlando,it looks like the same one but theyve evidently added more to it!
It makes me wonder about Haleigh being drugged so she could go out?
Like I said, no matter what the scenario, her reaction would be the same. Never gave a d*** about the kid. It boggles that a 17-year old could be that cold. In my opinion.
I wonder if they thought of taking blood samples from Jr,because why if she drugged Haleigh to go party would she not drug him too?
Well we know how she hates being in jail and away from people. This is no homebody. She is a very active not sit at home type of person, she had to have seen raising 2 kids 24/7(like she stated once) like a prison. jmo
It supports my theory, or one my theories. But, it is not the entire conversation. That in itself is interesting because the whole conversation might be less telling, rather than more telling. The bit that was released does not look good for Misty and if it is the case that the entire conversation would be less telling, why would they only release the part that is damning?
I tend to think tapes are redacted to protect the investigation but what if some of what is redacted actually puts her in a GOOD light? If so, why release any of the conversation at all? Possibly the intention is to put her in a bad light?
Cathy, why has your named changed?
Me too Aletha and too b/c she said before,I love kids,Ive babysat all my families kids……etc
Oh thanks guys! I can spit out the nails I was a’ chewin’!!1
Cathartic, I second that. I’m thinking that the media outlets are doing their OWN redacting,too.
It doesnt surprise me that a 17 yr. old would only think of theirself. They are a KID!!!!
Exactly, BA !
Adams,What,my name??
I thought we were going to be getting more videos on here last night or today? What happened? No new site either. jmo
Ohhh,LoL I DIDNT EVEN C THAT!
I had to delete my history and cookies,LoL DUNNO HOW I ADDED ME THO??
Cathy your name says CathyJo63Me what happened ?
Tobias,and one with Soecial needs,thats where i blame Ron,a 16 yr old girl should not have had been in that position! Hire a nanny……something!
It is his MO he did it with Amber too. jmo
I’ll probably regret this statement im sure,some ppl like to pick at my life but who hasn’t,lol I was 15 married 3 days into hs.dropped outmoved in with him and his mom and all her other kids,21 of us lived in a 3 br trailer for 8 yrs straight and i took care of his bedridden Grandma for 12 yrs,so i do know about that but I wouldn’t hurt a fly for nothing,I cannot cook just for me,can’t,i learned to cook for an army b/c his mom sure wasnt home ever!!
It would be really great, if there was one spot with all the footage… so we can see ALL that LE released, and not just snippets. With 8 DVD’s released… how many minuets are we seeing and hearing. And I don’t want to see what they WANT us to see… I want to see it all!!
so it is hard and thats why i blame Ron for putting a young girl in it!
Cathy… 21 people or 12?
21 twenty one! My hubby had 13 bros and sisters!
SHIT!!
But the difference may be that your Husband loved you and Misty felt that she was being used.But thats just my opinion on Misty because of what we know .jmo
course my adopted parents had 13 bio kids,My birthmum had 13,lucky number huh?
Cathy.. You are a strong sister
Let’s see, Tobias and CathyJo. A girl (Amber and then Misty) shacks up with a guy who has two kids. The girls do not have jobs. Don’t go to school. Should R have hired a nanny and maid so the girls can sit on their butts and do their nails all day long?
And how old do you think the typical babysitter is that he would be able to hire?
He’d be lucky to get one as old as those two girls were at the time.
Of course R should not have been shacking up with them. And the girls should not have been shacking up with him. And their parents and others should have put a stop to it. But no one did. I’m sure both girls – eager to please the boyfriend – acted like they were happy to babysit the kids. “Acted” being the operative word. But maybe R (and his mom and gma) believed the girls (especially M).
Wow! I just finished watching mistys little cameo confession and I must say…HMMMM
Right,thats what Im saying Adams,my aparents were very strict christian people,well known and loved by all!!!!!! And i was very fortunate but when i got pregnant i had no choice but to take what they gave me in values and do the best i could,and we had bad times,me and hubby…..as all ppl do but i never once doubted he loved me and i know he loved me,though he never said it! He was in foster homes unil 2 yrs before we met!
My birth mom had 13 kids also. I have not even met them all. Have half-brothers and sisters I have never even met.
I know about dysfunctional families.
Ty Adams,i don’t knw where that gal went tho,since he passed its sometimes like maybe it wasnt me,lol if ya know what i mean,I look back and wonder my God how did i make it?
Infact,Ive spilled my guts anyway so i wanna show you something,if ya dont mind!
Misty is a drug addict. I know that may sound harsh but true. That being said she only thinks of herself and when she can do her drugs and have fun and party. I think she did care a bout Haleigh but she only knew her 6mths. It sounds like her and Ron fought alot so she was probably back and forth alot and it just happens that she was there the night of the abduction. I think Teresa would not come and get the kids because she knew Misty wanted to take off and get high again and if she got the kids and Misty left Ron would be mad at her. Ron wanted Misty there so he would know exactly where she was. I think this has been a roller coaster relationship probably just like the others in the past. I think whoever took Haleigh knew what was going on in that house and wanted to get the kids out of the house especially since Crytal was about to go to jail for child support. This is a small world when it comes to these two families and alot of people know both sides and were probably telling the Sheffield side what was going on. Ron took those kids from Marty when he “stole them from Crystal” and Marty was very upset about that. IMO Marty felt that Haleigh and Jr. needed to be away from both parents and he is the one that took them or had someone else do it/
Hi, cent!
Don’t worry about your posts from last night especially ones with links in them. I think a lot of sites have automatic moderation and sometimes it’s random and sometimes it’s particularly careful about links -especially overnight.
Maybe Jan is busy or ill and has not had a chance to deal with that yet today.
Marty Sheffield is on tape saying He will not go to jail! Why is he worried he would go to jail if he hasnt done anything wrong??? Why did he get a search together to “look for Haleigh” and say he had a bloody glove and a set of car keys with toys that belonged to Haleigh? If he was so sure of this why was he not on TV shouting to the world that he had found this stuff?? Why would he not knock down the police dept doors and demand they take the evidence and find out what happened to Haleigh????
Me too Cath,Bio sibs i havent! Met only 3
Hi m2c… yes that could be it… or part of it!
Cathy… show what?
If you care to listen I’ll tell you what I’d tell my best friend,
Never take for granted what you think you’ll alway’s have,
Never hold back one word you want to say but didn’t and later wish you had,
while thinking there’s plenty of time and there’s alway’s another day
and the word’s that were never spoken become the word’s you simply never took the time to say
Thing’s can change in a split second and change your life in just a flash
And the word’s that were never spoken will forever be your last,
Of all the year’s we had together,He’d never worn a wedding band
and now I stand here in the church as i gently slide it on his hand,
As I whisper low so no one else can hear,”Oh how I love you,and I alway’s wanted to marry you here ,but this isn’t how i had it planned”
We had good times,sad times and the bad times were more than just a few,
Times we laughed,times we cried and times we hurt each other too,
Times I’m sure our emotion’s were solid black and blue,
Yet somehow we always made it through!
He’d stay out drinkin for days on end,
while i stayed home to see how long it would take him to miss me again
When i’d finally hear him come through the door,
I’d put on the face I’d practiced so many times before
Hoping that for once He’d see my pain and say the word’s I waited to hear,”I’m Sorry,I love you and I’ll never hurt you like that anymore”
Just the sound of his voice,his touch and a smile could always heal the same heart he had broken,
and always replaced the word’s I’d waited for so long to hear but to this day were never even one time spoken
I couldn’t stay mad no matter how hard I tried,
I’d just Thank God that he was safe and atleast he was still alive
I don’t know how I’ll get up from here and go home alone,
to start a new life all on my own
Because this time I know he will never be home,
and I won’t be waiting for the word’s that were never spoken
to heal the heart that is so broken,
As a stranger carves his name in an old cold hard stone!
Written entirely by Cathy Elkins in Memory of John C. Elkins
2007
cent @ 4:03
You said, “I’m thinking that the media outlets are doing their OWN redacting,too.”
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You can bet on that! The media are going to be sure to show the most sensational clips possible.
Ive wondered about that myself Denise!
Cathy…. that was truly lovely… Thank You for sharing!!!
See,it wasn’t always easy but you endure because you love them,and thats why my heart goes out to Lindsey! I know exactly how she feels!
Denise – What I’ve read of LE’s reaction to the fake search said about whoever staged it, “I guess they had their own agenda.” (Or something close to that – definitely the agenda part.)
So why didn’t LE follow up? Why not find out who was responsible for interfering in a police investigation to the extent of having a fake search? I have never understood that.
After Dakota was born,our 1st and only grandbaby,this man changed drastically,he was everything i knew he could be,we just wasted time!
You’re welcome Adams,I don’t mind at all,not anymore,things ya don’t say is sometimes just what another needs to hear!
Yes… but you two still had some time!
The best we ever did,we moved here without his family.lol this man started cooking for me,taking me out…i mean #1 Grandpa! It lasted 3 yrs but I am so grateful I got the 3,I wouldn’t take any of them back though,good or bad it was still “our time together”
when i watched Linsey cry,you dunno how many times i’ve been there and oh i feel bad for her!
Cathyjoe, wow.
I do wonder if those docs Denise saw are true,why MG gave Haleighs shoes away? Thats what it says!
I feel for Lindsay, but I also question how much of the real Lindsay we are seeing! It could be just me.. but her reaction to Tommy’s lil rant against Misty ratting him out was… (I’m trying to think of a nice way to say it)
I know exactly what you mean Adams,but just say it,lol its hard to put it the way ya want!
I saw someone that sure knew how to play the “game or role”.
Hi, cent!
Maybe Lindsy was mad at him for the B&Es in the first place? I don’t know what to make of her reaction really. What do you think?
Also, if your posts with links don’t show again sometime just give us the name of the website like you did a little earlier and maybe the name of the article or some tip and we can probably find it without the usual http stuff.
It’s difficult, because I can see what is probably the really only “good” in the Croslins. But, there seems to be another lurker.
Maybe she should have said I told you so. Because he should have known Misty by now would do it and vice versa. They roll on each other all the time its just different when its him . Misty and Tommy seem to have some weird sibling rivalry going on still. Misty wants her parents to just worry about her and her needs. Tommy worries Misty is using all the phone money. geeezzz what a bunch. jmo
Yea Me,the reaon for that was,when he passed,b/c he had been disabled we were broke and i had 113 dollars to my name and he’d never worn a wedding band ever,but just 2 0r 3 weeks before it happened he said,If you get me anything for x-mas this yr i want a wedding band…OMG i almost hit the floor so ofcourse Me’ I had to get him one!
M2C, yeah.. the post are no biggie. I just don’t think at that moment Tommy knew the full extent of the house search, her cooperation. Which of course she was right in doing so.
I don’t know who is for real in either of them anymore! Thought i did……..lol
Right Adams,I was wondering about that,cause he was saying Mis the little rat and i thought,omg he don’t know she let le search? But she had too!or risk her kids!
But one would think his family would tell him!
Didn’t hank say something on a video before that “just till Lindsey finds a new man”??
Anybody know if the cuss words on the tape are censored by the Cops or Media. I want to here Loose Lips Lucy’s full comments.
Lynsey is’nt the little scared victim girl she wants NG to see, she has learned from the best. I feel bad for her situation, but I think if she doesn’t take this oportunity to get and stay away, she’s a foolish girl. She has an education. She is an LPN. That takes brains to obtain a licence to practice nursing. (I’ve been a nurse since 1994) It’s hard work. there’s alot of studying involved. I don’t know how she got through it with kids to care for and Tommys law problems. So she’s not dumb.
LoL,
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 20th, 2010 at 5:01 pm Anybody know if the cuss words on the tape are censored by the Cops or Media. I want to here Loose Lips Lucy’s full comments.
Denise, yes those are very interesting facts that seemed to be ignored and raked under the rug by many. But you know that pile of crap under the rug is getting bigger and bigger. I
wonder what’s going to happen when it erupts?
I think thats why the UC videos are really important. We see the real people because they dont know they are being taped. And we saw a side of Misty and Ron that we didnt know. Misty in the take charge mode. Rons total involvement in the selling even though he knows the fall out if he gets caught. jmo
cent, I’m sure the media would sensor the cuss words, not LE…to them, it’s evidence
CathyJo you have had some hard blows in life. I am glad for you that you had those last 3 years with your husband. So glad he was able to show you how much he lived you before he was gone.
cathartic said,in February 20th, 2010 at 4:00 pm It supports my theory, or one my theories. But, it is not the entire conversation. That in itself is interesting because the whole conversation might be less telling, rather than more telling. The bit that was released does not look good for Misty and if it is the case that the entire conversation would be less telling, why would they only release the part that is damning?
I tend to think tapes are redacted to protect the investigation but what if some of what is redacted actually puts her in a GOOD light? If so, why release any of the conversation at all? Possibly the intention is to put her in a bad light?
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I think that’s quite possible. So far, PCSO’s “don’t blame us for not solving this, blame the illiterate teenager” has worked very well for them, and I’m sure they appreciate that Misty is being blamed for them not being able to solve this case. Sure glad the cops that arrested Scott Peterson didn’t sit back and not charge anyone and blame Scott for it. This case is ridiculous….PCSO have convinced most people that they need an illiterate 17 year old to do their job for them. Whether she’s involved or not, it’s their job to figure that out….but so many here think it’s Misty’s job. Hmmmmm.
omg,ME,you just reminded me of the thought i had when i heard that one,what a field to sink your life into when your whole family is on drugs!!!!!!!!
My bro n laws wife got her lpn’s and not
6 months later got caught abusing,wasted,wasted,!all that time and effort for something she knew she wouldn’t be able not to do,she was a druggy,took her 3 yrs to pass!
Denise….great posts.
tobias, thats what iwas thinkin’ too. they’re being natural, no hiding the truth there!
treece said,in February 20th, 2010 at 5:05 pm CathyJo you have had some hard blows in life. I am glad for you that you had those last 3 years with your husband. So glad he was able to show you how much he lived you before he was gone.
Thank You Treece,I am so glad for that!!!!!
Thank God for it,its hard enough to deal with what happened but if i were ever mean to him or held him back in life i’d feel alot worse..one thing about him,he did whatever he wanted..lol when he wanted! But he never got to be a kid either ya know!and I know without a doubt he did Love me!!!!
Methinks, I would love to have been a fly on Geraldos wall when he saw this lol
Leave Misty Rot untill she is Truthful,, Haleigh needs to come home one way or another.
I think LP is a softie, but he needs to open his eyes and stop look and listen as we were all taught as a child. These people are loosers because they have never really tried to be anything else but loosers. No one holds a job, no one is responsible and they have not tried to better there life. LP buying cars bailing them out is not going to see reality and change. He can not do that for them they are the only ones that can change. They need to learn to support there self and be a productive person in society. Then and only then will the next generation of Croslin kids be different. People like that the more you hand them the more they expect, they pull one hand back and put the other one out for a hand out like society owes them.
Stop the abuse and murder of the children in the U.S.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/16/stop-the-abuse-and-murder-of-the-children-in-the-us
denise said,in February 20th, 2010 at 4:04 pm It doesnt surprise me that a 17 yr. old would only think of theirself. They are a KID!!!!
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Exactly. If I was forced to babysit on my 17th birthday, I wouldn’t have been the least bit pleased either! Poor Misty probably never had any sort of childhood……I don’t judge her for that…..I put the blame where it belongs, squarely on Hank & Lisa’s shoulders. They took her out of school in grade 6….that’s as selfish as a parent can get…reminds me of Crystal wanting to stay in bed rather than taking Haleigh to her much needed specialist appointments.
LoL Geraldo,i can’t believe Geraldo allowed Bozo on his boat?? /me smirks
Yea it does show who they really are, as we hadn’t seen the real ppl!!
Tobias, I agree… and that’s why it’s necessary to see them all. However, did you notice “Hope”.. I think it’s her in the back seat… How quiet she was.
I am so sick of the Croslins, the Cummins acticng like the Hatfield and McCoys. Get over your self and tell the truth where is Haleigh and bring Haliegh home she deserves this. Bring her home one way or another if you have one decent bone in your body.
me, along those lines, I wonder too what else is on those tapes. What did misty say in addition to I spent my 17th b-day with haleigh, f#$%ed my day up. Could she have said, I loved haleigh so much and ron F#@$%ed my b-day up? It’s possible we aren’t getting the full message. What is crazy is…is that on purpose???
Tobias… my 5:13 was for your 5:03.
Actually Treece,lol I think thats why i dont understand kids in the bedroom thing,heck it worried me when hubby was at home in bed with me,lol very unusual! I mean he’d be outta state for weeks and just show up outta the blue,one time my home burned to the ground…hold my hand to God it did,our dtr was 4 then,he didn;t know it till he pulled in the driveway a month later and I’d already set up house in a basement,LoL
Monster n law’s basement but it was a basement!
BA, I think she just went because she knew where some of the drugs were and maybe others trusted her more. jmo
She was awfully quiet… almost too quiet!!
me said,in February 20th, 2010 at 5:11 pm denise said,in February 20th, 2010 at 4:04 pm It doesnt surprise me that a 17 yr. old would only think of theirself. They are a KID!!!!
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Exactly. If I was forced to babysit on my 17th birthday, I wouldn’t have been the least bit pleased either! Poor Misty probably never had any sort of childhood……I don’t judge her for that…..I put the blame where it belongs, squarely on Hank & Lisa’s shoulders. They took her out of school in grade 6….that’s as selfish as a parent can get…reminds me of Crystal wanting to stay in bed rather than taking Haleigh to her much needed specialist appointments.
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New thread… about tomorrows program
It was an awkward silence Adams!
Really,theres no way if my family were all druggies i’d become anything in medical!Talk about ppl on your back!
oh cool
I really think hope was along for the ride, and the free? buzz.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2708779/misty_croslin_ready_to_talk_in_haleigh.html?cat=8
theres alot of vids here!
me too Me! shes quiet!
Bet Misty is hella pissed that she was caught on tape digging for some gold.
n/g devotes whole show to them,lol
I never knew the dna samples were lost?
OMG,Thatd be embrassing!
I gotta fetch a bone,I’m starving,lol
So would it be right if LE dismisses all drug charges if Misty lead them to HaLeigh?
Me,
I try to keep an open mind, to give the benefit of the doubt whenever there is one. In the tape I was referring to, I believe it was the media that redacted a portion of Misty’s remark, not LE.
The tape as released seems biased, but then, it’s no secret news media can be biased. Or, it could be a play for sensationalism and they want to show Misty in a bad light because the believe that is more newsworthy than Misty in a good light. Also not a secret.
Either way, I do not think it is fair to release just a snippet of what was said. Possibly what was redacted had to be redacted for good reason, by possibly not. The way it was released makes me suspect a media redact, especially when the lead-in has the reporter saying something along the lines of “Just listen to what Misty has to say about Haleigh.” (Not an exact quote, but close enough.)
Something’s fishy. It feels purposely misleading, and I don’t like it.
ba, I doubt they would do that but she would most definitly get the youthful offender and do maybe 3-5 with maybe probation after 3. jmo
cent @ 5:01 pm – About the censoring – ask TJ and Simon. TJ got tapes directly from LE so he’ll know if they were already censored or not. I kind of doubt it. That’s more like something the media would do I think (because they have to on a lot of stations)
Tobias… but would you feel it was wrong, if LE did?
M2C, thanks… yeah, I just was wondering because on the Internet, you can get away with more, than you can on TV.
Well we should find out if the media is doing it when we hear the tapes that TJ and Simon put up for us and if they are different then you will know. jmo
True…. only I am a very impatient soul… now.
Cent, not unless she was involved more in what happened other than just knowing info. If she was more directly involved and they let her off yeah I would be very upset. jmo
denise said,in February 20th, 2010 at 2:25 pm No Tobias there is alot of evidence on another website that has been gathered from the beginning Cobra is the main person giving this information and the person he is giving it to is backing it up by getting “both sides of the story” There is alot of interviews, emails, and even interviews with the investigators where the investigators knew of a “fake search” for Haleigh and bloody evidence was supposed to have been found as well as car keys with Haleigh’s belongings….funny how LE did not want the evidence that was found and didnt question the people that found the “evidence” and Crystal Sheffield’s attorney (Kim Picazio) was going around telling people how LE was telling her everything they knew about the case. There is so much more that looks so shady on the Sheffield side… Kim Picazio told this reporter that LE NEVER questioned the Sheffield family. Why Not???
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IMO this is SO worth repeating.
About Misty – cathyjo the other day you posted a comment from someone on another board that I think expressed this same idea (I don’t want to take credit for it. I’ve just been thinking about it and applying it to what we see on the UC tapes).
Maybe Misty is something of a chameleon in that she is who she thinks she needs to be in each situation. When she was wooing R, she was the “loving step-mom” and “ideal future daughter-in-law” for his mother and gma. When she’s with the UC, she’s “ultra cool chick,” you know? Maybe this is how she gets along in life. Unfortunately she did not choose to be “ultra cooperative witness” for LE when Haleigh went missing. Or maybe she was at first (either real or faking) but LE was not convinced so now she’s mad at them. IDK.
methinks said,in February 20th, 2010 at 5:15 pm me, along those lines, I wonder too what else is on those tapes. What did misty say in addition to I spent my 17th b-day with haleigh, f#$%ed my day up. Could she have said, I loved haleigh so much and ron F#@$%ed my b-day up? It’s possible we aren’t getting the full message. What is crazy is…is that on purpose???
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It wouldn’t surprise me if it was on purpose…not much would surprise me in the media coverage of this case. I am flabbergasted that they say on tv day after day “Misty was the last person to see Haleigh alive”….no one knows if Misty was the last person or not, even LE doesn’t say she was….and certainly no one knows that Haleigh is dead. The media caters to the sheep that jump on their bandwagons and don’t ask questions.
cathartic…i read your post after I posted my last one. I totally agree with what you’ve said. There also appears to have been some creative editing done to the jail tapes. PCSO must be thrilled with the diversions and the blaming of Misty. Does anyone even care that she might never tell them what they want, and will they always blame Misty rather than LE for failing to solve the case. I imagine there would have been public outcry if LE was saying “Casey is the key, we need her to tell the truth” as an excuse for not charging her? They were able to gather the evidence to charge her without her co-operation, and good LE do exactly that….they shouldn’t be counting on someone they feel is covering up to tell them the truth…this is ridiculous in my opinion, and if it keeps going like this, Haleigh will never be found.
me @ 5:58pm You said, “The media caters to the sheep that jump on their bandwagons and don’t ask questions.”
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That is SO true! I mean a regular citizen is trying to invoke the Sunshine Law to get PCSO to open their files on this case! Usually it’s the media that does that. But not in this case. The media seem perfectly satisfied with the way LE is handling this. No hard questions. Nothing. Of course I don’t think mainstream media was very interested in this case or not for very long in the first place.
As another of our bloggers said, “Where are all the investigative journalists who had the gumption to question PRESIDENTS of the US?” for pete’s sake? The answer is, they aren’t wanted anymore because corporations own the media. And it’s the corporations’ agendas that get reported (or not).
m2c♥ re your February 20th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
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Good points about being a chaemeleon. And for SOME reason she has not seemed at all concerned about Haleigh’s whereabouts since day 1. I don’t think she ever was attached to Haleigh at all, and I have to wonder if maybe it wasn’t worse and she was jealous because Ron loved the kid. Sounds horrible, I know, but my very own mother was viciously mean to me because of jealousy for the same reason. These things do happen, and not just in the fairy tales.
catartic @ 5:41 – You bet the media chooses the clips they use for the most sensational effect! The media is not interested in informing or educating the public – just entertaining them (us) – and trying to get the highest ratings.
So if ratings is what’s driving their choices, then it’s the public’s fault, I guess. Really.
I guess the majority are satisfied with that carp that’s called “news” these days.
m2c…yes, investigative journalism is all but dead. I’ve not seen one hard question asked by a journalist in this case, nor any investigating. The one person who claims to be an investigative journalist, as we know, it has come out that he deliberately trying to “spin” the case in a particular direction…appalling.
On the other hand, it may be that she really knows who took the child and wants to stay safely out of it. But I think she would have told by now if that were the case. I’ll have to think about that some more, though.
Alethea @ 6:06pm – I agree! And I, too, know it happens.
I said a long time ago that it was possible that M was playing a role for R with the children particularly. Maybe not. But it’s possible. And the jealousy as well.
Haleigh was Daddy’s girl and I do believe he loved Jr very much too so I’ll bet M knew she was lower on the totem pole of importance in R’s life.
I just hope those feelings – if she had them – did not have anything to do with whatever happened to Haleigh.
And please understand that I am not bashing TJ for this. If ALL the media were interested in this case, then more would be asking hard questions and there would be less risk. But if we’re going to find out anything from LE, if TJ is going to have their cooperation and ability to communicate with them at all, he cannot be the only one asking the hard questions or they’ll stop talking to him. As I said, it would be easier if more reporters were working the case (for real and not for show or only when there’s something sensational to report). TJ is doing a fantastic job that no one else is doing and I really admire him for it.
alethea @ 6:10 – I’m still concerned that either M hurt Haleigh or something happened to Haleigh by accident when M was watching her ( or supposed to be).
She has never struck me as afraid of anyone or anything so it’s hard for me to imagine her keeping quiet for some third party. And I really don’t think R had anything to do with it. So who does that leave? M herself. OR someone even she doesn’t know about because she was asleep or not there.
I am not a Misty fan, most here already know that.
The reason I think the tape as released is unfair is because half a statement is too easily taken out of context. Just as Misty’s statement as reported supports one of my theories, her full statement might weaken that theory.
I am suspicious of the news media in general because they mislead just for ratings or to sell newspapers. There are a lot of people who believe everything they read or hear on the news. The same goes for websites. Many people visit a website and believe every word on the site. And the so-called news shows like JVM and NG. Just because they say something doesn’t make it a fact.
It’s not the reporters that are sheep, it’s the public.
cathartic….so true.
Cathartic – I agree. See my 6:08 pm post.
Yes, sorry m2c, I didn’t meant to parrot what you said at 6:08. I had gotten a little behind in reading posts.
I’m all caught up now, so I am shutting up til I have something new to add to the discussion.
What I have never understood is this:
LE supposedly has evidence and/or something at the MH does not jive with M’s statements about the night. Plus, I guess she gave somewhat different statements about the night to LE (thus the other kind of “inconsistencies.”)
SO, why doesn’t LE look at what they have and say, “okay, it could mean this, this or this” and follow up each one of those possibilities?
Like if they think she left the MH, then interview/grill everyone she might have been with. Maybe they have and have not had success.
So on to the next thing they think could have happened (whatever it is). Did someone else go into the MH? Well, who could it be? And interrogate everyone possible. And also look at RSOs (in the area or not).
Of course it’s too late for a lot of that, but you’d think they’d do some kind of investigating while they’re waiting on M.
Or maybe they have and have not gotten anywhere.
It just seems to me that LE made up their minds very quickly and COULD HAVE done a lot of that kind of investigating early in the case and then broadened the investigation. Then at least it would look like they were doing something, maybe even fool M into thinking they were getting close to the truth and then she’d tell. IDK.
m2c♥ said,in February 20th, 2010 at 5:54 pm About Misty – cathyjo the other day you posted a comment from someone on another board that I think expressed this same idea (I don’t want to take credit for it. I’ve just been thinking about it and applying it to what we see on the UC tapes).
Maybe Misty is something of a chameleon in that she is who she thinks she needs to be in each situation. When she was wooing R, she was the “loving step-mom” and “ideal future daughter-in-law” for his mother and gma. When she’s with the UC, she’s “ultra cool chick,” you know? Maybe this is how she gets along in life. Unfortunately she did not choose to be “ultra cooperative witness” for LE when Haleigh went missing. Or maybe she was at first (either real or faking) but LE was not convinced so now she’s mad at them. IDK
Right and She does want alot of attention so maybe she fit’s in anyhere to do just that!
GET ATTENTION!
Cathartic @ 6:54! Oh, no! I figured you had not seen my post and would be pleased to see that I agreed with you! So that’s why I wanted you to see it. And even if you had seen my post I thought yours was great! Gosh knows I don’t mind when someone agrees with me! LOL!
And no do NOT shut up PLEASE! Often you and others explain it better or add good thoughts.
My post did not mean what you may have thought – or the way you took it at all!
I guess I’ll shut up so I don’t risk offending anyone again.
Goodnight all!
cathartic said,in February 20th, 2010 at 6:38 pm I am not a Misty fan, most here already know that.
The reason I think the tape as released is unfair is because half a statement is too easily taken out of context. Just as Misty’s statement as reported supports one of my theories, her full statement might weaken that theory.
I am suspicious of the news media in general because they mislead just for ratings or to sell newspapers. There are a lot of people who believe everything they read or hear on the news. The same goes for websites. Many people visit a website and believe every word on the site. And the so-called news shows like JVM and NG. Just because they say something doesn’t make it a fact.
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Guilty as charged! LoL I am famous for that!Its hard to believe everyone lies about it for me! Cause I don’t lie for even myself so you just think no one else does either!/me crawls under the desk!
Goodnight M2C!
I am not a nun or nuthin either,lol just have to keep lying when you tell the 1st one!Nonsense!
m2c…you did NOT offend me. All is well.
I was trying to find that post again M2 but i have to keep deleting history and cookies just to be here,lol
m2c♥ said,in February 20th, 2010 at 6:20 pm alethea @ 6:10 – I’m still concerned that either M hurt Haleigh or something happened to Haleigh by accident when M was watching her ( or supposed to be).
She has never struck me as afraid of anyone or anything so it’s hard for me to imagine her keeping quiet for some third party. And I really don’t think R had anything to do with it. So who does that leave? M herself. OR someone even she doesn’t know about because she was asleep or not there.
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At one point in time, I was convinced she was terrified of something. Not sure now, not by a long shot.
I see your points. If we follow in that vein, I would make a bet it was the overdose scenario. Because of the blankets. Which MIGHT imply that she gave him a cock-and-bull story, and he helped her cover up. There are so many possible scenarios, but this one seems to work pretty well at the moment. And maybe it seems so vividly possible to me because I have seen that sort of thing before.
One of the things I have become very certain of this last week (at least in my own mind it seems non-negotiable), is that, Misty’s landing in jail was the LAST thing Ron wanted (after himself landing there of course). I don’t think, however, that his landing in jail along with her means that he changed his mind; although that might be possible, that he did it on his own, landing himself in jail to bring her down. I suppose it’s possible. And if he is working with LE it would have to be the most convoluted sting-within-a-sting ever conceived. But I don’t think so on that one, either.
All this MIGHT mean he’s not DIRECTLY involved. What it would say about him as a person, though…. If it was sheer opportunism on his part? Taking advantage of Misty. Or maybe THINKING he had the upper hand. Either way sounds really horrible, and I hope it’s not true. I really do.
He must have thought he had won the lottery with her…. She’ll marry him to get him out of a jam and then agree to a divorce! Just think about it, the girl of his dreams!
It looks like those two have some sort of a pact.
In my opinion.
m2c♥ said,in February 20th, 2010 at 6:58 pm What I have never understood is this:
LE supposedly has evidence and/or something at the MH does not jive with M’s statements about the night. Plus, I guess she gave somewhat different statements about the night to LE (thus the other kind of “inconsistencies.”)
SO, why doesn’t LE look at what they have and say, “okay, it could mean this, this or this” and follow up each one of those possibilities?
Like if they think she left the MH, then interview/grill everyone she might have been with. Maybe they have and have not had success.
So on to the next thing they think could have happened (whatever it is). Did someone else go into the MH? Well, who could it be? And interrogate everyone possible. And also look at RSOs (in the area or not).
Of course it’s too late for a lot of that, but you’d think they’d do some kind of investigating while they’re waiting on M.
Or maybe they have and have not gotten anywhere.
It just seems to me that LE made up their minds very quickly and COULD HAVE done a lot of that kind of investigating early in the case and then broadened the investigation. Then at least it would look like they were doing something, maybe even fool M into thinking they were getting close to the truth and then she’d tell. IDK.
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That baffles me too,I keep thinking,Movies maybe? No dirty towels when she gave Haleigh a bath,dishes she said she fed them?? and i also wonder if the reason she washed blankets,w/o soap either one if maybe it was because they had another mans DNA on them if she didn’t leave??
if Ron kept calling and got no answer,theres a reaon somewhere!
Gosh it kills me to wait for more tapes!
m2c♥ said,in February 20th, 2010 at 7:03 pm I guess I’ll shut up so I don’t risk offending anyone again.
Goodnight all!
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surely you won’t offend anyone,lol it’s a discussion,i get offended alot,lol but hey just send santa a note and go on!
Cathy… another man’s DNA… good-one
Althea… I can see a pact… one that they both believe to be tight and sacred.
It looks like those two have some sort of a pact.
In my opinion.
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Thats true! Why after the divorce a Tattoo?
Yes, the way she kept going on about the blanket smelled like pee, you could surmise that the problem wasn’t pee–it was something else. She obviously wanted the blankets mixed up for some reason. Actually, it not being pee on the blanket does seem to make more sense.In my opinion.
Adams,Thats what I keep thinking b/c of the blankets,she took one off the window,Haleighs pee’d blanket,put a sheet on Haleigh,why all this blanket stuff,I’m sure she pee’d on the sheets too??
no mention of them tho but maybe her and a guy were on the couch,Haleigh caught them,and they had to hide it no matter what? and a guys Dna would be on the blankets?
Oh, and remember Jr. said the couch was bouncing. That sounds so credible–and so “four-year-old!
Right!! and a man in black,or a man in black could be a black man to a 4 yr old!
Right,i have always thought to much emphasis were put on the blankets!
If she had another man there then she had to get rid of his DNA!
And i do agree there is a tie that bind’s them together somewhere,its weird!
I do tend to believe Jr’s tale…. I think that maybe Crystal relayed with error. But the minuet I heard the couch was bouncing, I thought some horizontal “wrestling” was going on. And did Jr’s tale come out before we found out about her weekend of sin? Not sure why folks were so willing to dismiss the tale… I think it had more to do with Crystal not being a “suitable” mother. And maybe Ron said it was false, because he didn’t ask JR. Crystal clearly says she did. Kids, don’t always volunteer info, especially if they have witness that info on other occasions. It could have been the norm.
It was known that Haleigh had stopped wetting the bed. In a drug overdose, there would have been urine expelled, if I am informed correctly.
I believe. the only thing this pact could be about is Haleigh got hold of some of their drugs and died. Having the illegal drugs would have gotten them both in trouble, so the cover-up began. If either of them talk, they will both go to prison. I believe Misty got her brothers involved in the cover-up.
They were frantic so they put her in the dumpster, and then moved her again, maybe twice.
Right Adams,I doubt he said it so plain and all but pieces and the couch bouncing i believe? Thats a 4 yr olds description!
yes,MG said Haleigh didn’t wet the bed now and if you remember in the tapes Misty said “SHE PEE’D I GUESS??” why did she guess??
if she didn’t feel like babysitting i doubt she felt like doing laundry,lol ya know?
Karon, I 110% agree with you on your 7:30 post!
Whatever it turns out to be i know those blankets played a big role in it!!
Somehow though,I don’t think Tommy is involved with Haleigh,i may be wrong but imo i don’t think he is!
Denise-why would someone from the Sheffield family abduct Haleigh and not take Jr. also??? Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense especially if you believe the motive is they became aware of the situation at Ron/Misty’s trailer. If so, why leave the younger more vulnerable child behind and take Haleigh only? Would be nice if true, but doubtful. IMO.
If you saw that Geraldo tape interview with Jr., you realize he was just a baby, and couldn’t speak very well. He, also, could be getting events if several different nights mixed up.
Three different cadavar dogs hit on that dumpster; we all know that.
So my question has always been: How many other people/children were missing at that time who could have been placed in that dumpster.
Cadavar dogs only hit on human remains.
No matter how much we don’t want to believe she may be gone, who else could have possibly been placed in that dumpster at that particular time?
Maybe it wasn’t pee. Maybe she vomited on the blanket.
Right Karon,i guess maybe they could understand him better ya know but i doubt he said it exactly the way c said he had!
Good point, cathartic! And very possible.
I dunno how cs came up with counch bouncing tho,of all things that could have bounced,lol
I’v e asked several times.. if the drums of the washer/dryer were taken out. Lint traps… they hang on to everything!!
I agree with both of Karon’s posts.
Jr. might have seen the couch bouncing; but there is no way to know if it was that night or if he just remembered it from a previous time.
whatever it is though i think has alot to do about blankets!
what is weird that i just thought of tho is,why did she even have to say she washed blankets??
must she made sure it was known!
must she made sure it was known!
BUT!!!lOl
Couldn’t they have been communicating on those pre-paid cell phones? I don’t know much about that.
There was something that happened really early on that made me think that Ron might have been aware there was a problem at the house some time before he got home.
Then there is the problem of the mattresses. I think that was a slip-up.
Thank you, Keep It Real. Remember, a neighbor heard a woman’s raised voice about 2;30 AM. That could have been when Misty found Haleigh. She panicked and put Haleigh in the dumpster, and then got help to move her, again. Ron had to go along with the plan because of the illegal drugs. IMO
If a small child sees a couch bouncing, he might be intrigued by that enough to hang onto the memory of it. I believe he saw it, and it could have been that night, but could just as easily have come from his memory of a different night.
Me either ,I have a cell,have had for a yr,and i have never used it but twice!
I hatem’lol
Right Cath,very possible!
There was a train also wasn’t there that went right by??
I keep thinking about Tommy’s shed that he keeps hiding his stolen stuff in. Maybe they first moved her from the dumpster to Tommy’s shed, then they realized LE was bringing the dogs that night, so they moved her again to the final place.
I wonder!! I was looking for the neighbors who heard the noise video!
The train conductor was on one of the radio programs, and he said that train went thru there so fast that there was no way that could have been a part of this.
If Haleigh died in that mobile home, why are there no reports of the cadaver dogs alerting there?
CathyJ.
That was one of the area stations around there that had the woman’s raised voice statement on it.
http://www.dipity.com/timeline/Haleigh-Cummings/list
I can’t find it,hmmmm but i still wonder about this one!
I dunno whose right here but i know they said they didn’t get the dogs out until 2 weeks and left them in the van and used a psychics dog which is crazy but just saying thats all ive heard on that!!
Solve,you finally made me think though,odd..i had never once thought of that!!!!!!!!!! Crazy me!
Karon,actually the one i saw was the old man being woke up by the noise??
it was a white hair/bearded man!
Solve Crimes:
You have a point. Do you think she died at the party?
OMG you just made me think what if M let someone take her alone out the door!
alive i mean?
This just in from TJ Hart, you can catch part one here – Simon
More information has come into the 97.3 The Sky’s news room regarding a possible missed clue in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.
As it turns out, the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office investigated the claim that very day the tape you heard in Part 1 was recorded which was March 31, 2009.
The claims made by Misty Saunders to Private Investigator William “Cobra” Staubs indicated she believed her step father, accused capital sex offender Daniel Snodgrass, had something to do with Haleigh Cummings disappearance. Saunders believes Snodgrass might have dismembered and killed children in a shed on the property owned by her mother.
Sources close to the investigation reported to the Sky under the condition of anonymity Monday that “Putnam County investigators looked into this claim and there was nothing to it. They did not find any evidence to indicate that Mr. Snodgrass had anything to do with this. Deputies looked at him as with many other offenders, and didn’t find anything there.”
These same source also say the investigation into the shed and its findings of blood splatters were consistent with that of someone who brought in hunted animals to the shed to clean like deer or wild turkeys.
The tools found in the shed were also consistent with the cleaning of dead animals.
In a later conversation with Staubs Monday, he stated he was present when sheriff’s deputies arrived and swabbed the sheds. He claims he asked for a more detailed search.
As each investigator reviews the clues and interviews in Haleigh’s abduction, there is that hope that something new will pop and the child will be found. However, this appears this is another dead end in long the search for Haleigh
I think the white haired man was talking about being woke up by all the noise when LE started showing up.
When can cadaver dogs actually hit on decomposition?… I mean if she had died like at 1am… LE was called out there at 3am… would there had been any true signs(smell) of decomposition, if she had been moved right away?
wonder if she took the blankets to the party and left the kids in the car?
i just know those blankets are among important facts!
Why is LE so sure that this is no stranger abduction?
Karon Cox said,in February 20th, 2010 at 8:21 pm Why is LE so sure that this is no stranger abduction?
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I believe the answer to that is “no forced entry?” Am I right?
Cent:
That would be worth looking into about how soon cadaver dogs could center in on decompisition, especially, if Misty had washed the blanket she was laying on. The no detergent in the house doesn’t bother me, because she could have used dishwashing liquid.
I have also wondered if they had realized that the child was already dead? Maybe because of the dogs?
What if…
A noise wakes Misty, earlier than the time she says she woke up. Haleigh is sick, choking, unable to breathe. She had in fact spit most of the pill out earlier and was “doing just fine.” Unfortunately, she ingested enough to make it hard to wake up even when she vomits. Misty tries to help her but it is too late. Misty freaks. She calls someone for help, maybe her brother, maybe someone else.
They are heartbroken, crying. But telling the truth will get them into trouble and since it is not going to bring Haleigh back, they come up with a story, clean up the scene and call 911.
Questions: Does anyone recall if the blanket was in the washer when LE arrived? Dryer had dirty laundry in it, so was a wet blanket found anywhere? Are all blankets accounted for?
CathyJ:
I believe the blankets play an important roll in all of this. Misty just kept on talking about her peeing on that blanket.
Karon… I just skipped out to find out, one site says that it has to be a few days, depending on the environment. But, that’s just one site. I’ll look later.
thats true,Looks like the dogs,if they were really used would have answered these questions!
You may be right about the neighbors but i thought id seen one where the old man says it woke him up because he heard loud screams!
I wonder if there is any truth in the rumor that Putnam County are changing the Welcome To Putnam County road sings to include the slogan ‘Pill Capital Of Florida’ or if the Patatka City council are going to be renaming the main street to Oxy Ave.
Simon Barrett
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Or Pillbilly Ave.!
When was it announced that it was no stranger abduction? Was it before or after the dogs hit on the dumpster?
CathyJ:
I believe the blankets play an important part in this story. Misty just kept on talking about her peeing on that blanket.
I know she said she put the blanket back on her and laid down??
CathyJ:
The blankets play an important part in this story. I agree.
It makes sense that Misty could have gotten up to get a drink of water and noticed the kitchen light on but not have noticed Haleigh gone as she was getting out of the bed — if Haleigh was sleeping in the other room. Somebody screwed up.
As far as stranger abduction theory goes, there would not have had to be forced entry. A door could have been left unlocked, or someone could have had a key. I think stranger abduction was ruled out early in the investigation, but we don’t know what evidence LE had when they ruled that out. If we knew more about the “evidence that does not match” Misty’s story, some of our questions might be answered.
Right Karon,she kept going on about them,which now..lemme see how I can ask this…..ok she did not have to tell she washed them,i would assume right? So why then did she tell she had washed them?? and why they were important enough to wash in the 1st place?
I beleieve it was before Karon??
The stranger-abduction would have made more sense if the kids’ mattresses had been in the other bedroom. On the other hand, the mixing up of the blankets is much more plausible if the blankets are all in the same room with the mattresses.
The UC should get a ticket… none of them had their seat-belts on!!
M and another guy may have taken her to dump her,i hate saying that but have too,when they got back she washed the blankets because theyd used them both? one they wrapped Haleigh with and one they used with the mans DNA!
If Haleigh was drugged would a dog pick that up if she mmmmmm had just never woke up?
It is really chilling to consider the possibility that that child OD’d on their drugs and then to watch the video of them dealing. And then the remark about not wanting drugs mixed up in peoples’ minds with Haleigh’s disappearance. Bone chilling.
Or perhaps someone is hanging on to the blankets… Monica Lewinsky style!!
If he’d used belts they prolly wouldnt have trusted him then,they look for lawbreakin ppl,lol
Althea… for me it’s a sinister vibe.
Omg,Aletha,i know..thats what hit me today when he was talking about her and asked the uc not to tell!!
Youre silly Adams,did ya hear Monica Lewinsky and Lorraina Bobbit are getting a hair salon together?
Yea they’re callin it cut and blow! you asked for it!
Whatever it is i cannot believe m was alone cause how could she hide all this alone?
Yes… Cathy I have walked into that one.
It sure makes me mighty curious about the blankets!
Me too Adams,but i came out with a frizz and stray!
CathyJo63 said,in February 20th, 2010 at 8:49 pm Whatever it is i cannot believe m was alone cause how could she hide all this alone?
xxxxxxxxxxx meanwhile Tommy walks up…xxxxxxx
LoL ME, I know it seems that way,you are probably right but it somehow doesn’t grab me but another feller with her grabs me!
I guess i should explain it tho,I just think theres a big clue with the blankets and I can’t see Tommy on the blankets! well i dunnnno about that either but you get me??
and what was it i heard about the cop car at Tommys right before this happened??
well guys, I’m tired again. so goodnight all.
Cathy, do you mean Misty’s “wrestling” accusation?
though it makes ya wonder why Tommy never mentioned he was there before!
Wrestling??
Goodnight Methinks!!
one more thing…the blankets may have been the burial cloth. Were they ever recovered?
OLord,don’t tell me i have missed something else!
me,I assume so b/c they must have only had enuff blankets for the beds at the time or why else would she washed them that night if she was tired as she said she was!and if they weren’t there Ron would wonder where his blankets went……..imo
Thats why too,I say the blankets are a big deal!
Which is still another thing i wonder,if no one knew she washed the blankets,why did she say it? Had to be a reason!
cayse i assume she hid something by washing them……..so why tell? Unless she slipped up!
perhaps thats the emphasis on the washing of the blankets!!! wasn’t one of the blankets from the window? Where are they now? I think we can all agree, the blankets are an important clue here. but for real…goodnight again…you guys are just so hard to leave! lol
While Misty Croslin Cummings is not giving police information they need to find Haleigh Cummings, she is saying too much – every time she opens her mouth. Watching video excerpts of Misty Croslin Cummings’ stress test and hypnotism session as well as reading recent news reports brought to mind the impression of a guilty teenager lying to her parents. Behaving like a guilty teenager feeling she deserves to be caught in her lies, Misty Croslin Cummings engages in verbal overkill that casts doubt on her credibility when she speaks on key aspects of the Haleigh Cummings case.
Where the overkill seems most damning is with respect to Misty’s statements about washing Haleigh’s blanket.
When police arrived at the Cummings home at approximately 3:25 a.m. February 10 to respond to the report that Haleigh Cummings was missing, the washing machine was running. If Misty Cummings, the only person over the age of 5 in the house, had been in bed sleeping from 10 pm until she woke up shortly after 3 am and discovered Haleigh missing, why was the washing machine on?
In a Today Show interview in March, Misty Croslin Cummings said that she washed Haleigh’s blanket 7 ½ hours earlier- at 8 pm- and put the clean blanket on a sleeping Haleigh about 10 pm when Misty went to bed herself.
In the August stress test, Misty Croslin Cummings said that she had turned on the washing machine to wash her own blanket and Haleigh’s blanket “after dinner” and that she put Haleigh to bed at 8 p.m. February 9.
Karon…the neighbor heard the raised voices around the time Ronald got home. Apparently they heard the voice, then cops arrived. It wasn’t something that happened earlier in the evening.
Re the mattresses, there were beds in the other bedroom…I assume she was talking about looking under those.
CathyJo63 said,
in February 20th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
OLord,don’t tell me i have missed something else!
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was that directed at me?
TY Me,i remember that now,you are right!!!
yes Adams,you said wrestling?
So the washer was running when le got there so she couldn’t hide the fact she washed the blankets!!
The blankets may have come out when LE asked her what she did that evening. She couldn’t think fast enough to cover everything. She didn’t have any idea how LE would be able to tie everything together.
she was probably hoping they’d get done before Ron got home………………
and too,Maybe thats part of the evidence from inside the home??
Right Karon!!
and just thought she’d be believed because of the back door and brick!
Whether rhe washers were running, or not, seems to be unsettled.
I don’t think Misty was in on this cover-up alone, either.
Cathy, I was trying to find the info… At one point M said that T tried to “mess” with her, some years back.
Misty’s Today Show and stress test statements could be read as consistent or inconsistent. Regardless of the interpretation of those statements, Misty Croslin Cummings would have finished washing Haleigh’s blanket by 10 at the latest when she put the blanket on Haleigh and went to bed herself. So, why was the washing machine running when the police arrived 5 and ½ hours later? Misty has said repeatedly that after going to bed at 10, she didn’t wake up until sometime after 3 am.
Misty never explained the time discrepancy in the voice stress test, but her description of washing the blankets reeks of overkill. Since when does washing a child’s blanket before any abduction require justification?
Misty: Then I washed the blankets- my blanket and Haleigh’s blanket. Haleigh’s blanket smelt like pee.
Tester: Tell me about this blanket.
Misty: Haleigh’s blanket? Ok, I was gone for the weekend. I come home, her blanket smells like pee. Who’s gonna put their kid in bed when their blanket smells like pee? Who’s going to put their kid on, you know, cover up with a blanket smells like pee? I’m not going to. So I …washed her blanket. And, there’s (unintelligible), it’s her normal blanket she always sleeps with.
This excess justification for washing a child’s blanket sends up red flags.
One implication of Misty washing the blankets on the bed and reusing them once they were cleaned that night is that perhaps there weren’t extra blankets in the house. Is the blanket evidence the ‘smoking gun’ in Haleigh Cummings’ disappearance?
Misty Croslin Cummings reported finding a blanket and sheets scattered outside the door of the Cummings residence when she discovered Haleigh missing. Did the blanket and sheets scattered outside the trailer after Haleigh disappeared come from the bed in which Haleigh was sleeping? The washing machine was running, according to police… Did someone strip the bed again that night because Haleigh wet the bed? Haleigh did wet the bed often, according to media reports.
Initially, Misty claimed that Haleigh was sleeping in bed with her. Later, she changed her story to say Haleigh was in a bed in the same room with her. Was that change motivated by the whereabouts – or the condition- of the bed sheets and blanket? It would hardly be credible that someone grabbed a child, bedding and all, if that action required pulling the bedding out from under the adult sleeping next to her. And if the sheets and blanket were soaked, their wetness would cast doubt on Misty’s claim to have been sleeping in the same bed with Haleigh and not waking up until 3 am.
Cathyjo…where is that news report from? I’ve never heard LE say the washing machine was going when they arrived….the media are getting a lot wrong in this. The other day one of the Florida outlets reported that Misty had told investigators that she left the house for awhile and when she returned Haleigh was gone. It’s like they make it up as they go along.
O yes,she told the ld guy!
I really don’t like to bring this type of allegation up, but… I was trying to figure the time-line of that… and did that allegation have anything to do with the brawl?… seeing how he was over to the house that night.
But, would R allow T around his daughter, if M had confided in him.
Me,I have heard it but wasnt sure,sec
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2169871/haleigh_cummings_investigation_is_the.html?cat=47
here Me!
I should add, that on top of the “washing machine was running story” others are saying that dirty clothes were found in the dryer. I don’t know that any of it’s true, as I’ve certainly not heard any of it from LE. Could just be part of that nasty internet rumor campaign.
Cummings’ lives tied to family, misfortune
Misty’s ‘life spiraled’ Grandfather was a mentor to Ronald Cummings
Doug Finger/The Gainesville Sun Buy photo
Misty Croslin the girlfriend of Ronald Cummings, at right, the father of missing 5 year old Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings walk up to the media to talk on Feb. 12,2009.
By Lise Fisher & Cindy Swirko
and Cindy Swirko, Staff writers
Published: Sunday, February 7, 2010 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, February 6, 2010 at 11:16 p.m.
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Teresa Neves is certain of one thing. Before the disappearance of her granddaughter, Haleigh Cummings, the woman who cared for the little girl and her younger brother, Junior, was caring and responsible.
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“She loved them,” Neves, 50, said of Misty Croslin. “There was no doubt in my mind about that.”
Today, Haleigh’s paternal grandmother says she doesn’t know who Croslin has turned out to be. “I feel that somewhere in those two or three days before Haleigh went missing, she took a wrong turn in life, and that brought her to where she is today,” Neves said of the young woman her son dated, married and has since divorced. “I do not feel she is the same person she was when I first met her. It’s like night and day.”
As for her son, Ronald Cummings, 26, Neves wouldn’t talk about the current criminal charges against him, but acknowledged he has made mistakes in the past.
Despite his early missteps, however, her son had moved forward and worked to care for his children, she said.
“He was a very, very intelligent person. He has a very high IQ,” Neves said of her son. “He has made some mistakes. You know what they say, they that can cast the first stone. I say that everybody makes mistakes in life. Ronald straightened out his life. His main focus has mainly been his children.”
By all accounts, the lives of both Croslin and Cummings showed signs of trouble even before Haleigh’s disappearance brought on the scrutiny of law enforcement and the media.
Before her recent arrest on drug charges, Croslin spoke about a Tennessee relative she claimed had “messed” with her when she was younger. In an interview last year, she said she wasn’t going to school, and though she had signed up for GED classes, she never attended.
Before his daughter disappeared, Cummings had been arrested on minor drug charges in Putnam County and had cases filed on other allegations involving traffic violations, wildlife violations and trespassing.
Officers later announced he was not a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance, and a Department of Children and Families investigation cleared him of any abuse involving his children.
In a jailhouse interview last month, Cummings told a newspaper reporter that people have developed their own, inaccurate impressions of him.
“I get tired of being judged by people who just look at me,” Cummings said. “I’m glad I’m not such a judgmental person.”
While officers have said they do not consider Cummings and Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield, suspects in the girl’s disappearance, officials have said Misty Croslin’s words don’t match physical evidence or other accounts from the night Haleigh vanished. And her comments to the media early in the case, when she described what she remembered of the hours before the girl disappeared, have varied.
Croslin’s sister-in-law, Lindsy Croslin, described the young woman as “a good girl” and “fun-loving.”
“She just got caught up in this,” Lindsy Croslin said.
“Misty has never been a leader. She puts her foot in her mouth sometimes,” Lindsy Croslin said.
Haleigh’s maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis, 44, sees something different. If Griffis were alone with Croslin, she said she might try to shake the truth out of her. In the end, though, she said her heart goes out to the 18-year-old.
“Her life spiraled. The mother in me sees the little girl whose life was shattered even more,” Griffis said.
Misty Croslin has said she grew up in Michigan and that she lived in different parts of Florida for about seven years.
Lindsy Croslin says she first met Misty and her brother, Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr., in Flagler Beach while they were in school. Hank and Lindsy Croslin have been together about eight years now.
“People would just go to the beach and hang out,” Lindsy Croslin said. “I met him up there. Me and Misty became friends before me and Tommy even started dating, and so she was like the sister I didn’t have as an only child.”
Eventually, after she married Tommy Croslin in 2007, they all ended up in Putnam County. Lindsy Croslin’s grandparents had a house in Satsuma, and she thought it would be nice to move somewhere else for a change of scenery, she said. Her husband’s parents also ended up in Putnam County and had their own place.
At one point before Haleigh’s disappearance, Misty Croslin and her parents, Hank Croslin Sr. and Lisa Croslin, moved in with Misty’s brother and his wife after Hank Croslin Sr. was involved in a car accident and the family “lost everything,” Lindsy Croslin said. Hank Croslin Sr. was hit by a drunken driver, she said.
As she had since high school, Misty Croslin watched her sister-in-law’s children. Meanwhile, Misty Croslin’s two brothers and father worked together at an electric company.
After the vehicle accident, Lindsy Croslin said Hank Croslin Sr. wasn’t rehired at the job because he couldn’t work.
He has several medical problems, one of the reasons he has been seeing different doctors and not because he was intentionally “doctor shopping” as was alleged by officers when he was arrested in November, she said.
Those who know her say family has always been at the center of Misty Croslin’s world.
That sense of togetherness is part of what Lindsy Croslin, whose family previously had included just her and her father, said she fell in love with when she met Misty and Tommy.
“I thought it was so neat that (Tommy’s) parents had been married since 16 and were still together. I thought it was neat that they had a mom and dad,” Lindsy Croslin said. “That’s how their upbringing is, very close – they all stick together. They all watch out for each other.”
From jail in an interview recorded with a reporter, Ronald Cummings described his ex-wife as a friend and said little else about her. He said the only two women he has tattoos for are his daughter and mother. He also confirmed he has a new girlfriend.
He credited his late maternal grandfather, Myles Kirby Sykes, who had retired from the Florida Department of Agriculture, with teaching him “the basics,” such as being good to women and children.
“He always took care of me. He was just a good all-around guy,” Cummings said. “I’m sure that he wouldn’t be happy that I’m in here.”
While his grandfather died in 2002, Cummings has remained close with his grandmother, Annette Sykes, 65, who along with her husband helped care for Cummings when he was younger. Cummings said his father was not around much when he was growing up.
Cummings was born in Palatka and later lived in Central Florida, his mother said. He played baseball and football when he was younger.
Cummings said he later graduated from school in the Wildwood area.
When Cummings was with Crystal Sheffield, 24, his now ex-girlfriend, she became pregnant with Haleigh. To support the baby, Cummings said he left ITT Tech, where he had been studying for months and was pursuing a computer technology degree.
His career since, he said, has been in construction. Work became harder to get once Haleigh disappeared and the economy worsened, he said.
Cummings said having steady work and being a good provider later helped him win custody of his children when he and Sheffield vied for Haleigh and Ronald Jr.
Today, with his father in jail, toddler Ronald Jr. is living with Sheffield.
The night Haleigh vanished, Cummings was working a late shift at PDM Bridge in Palatka. Video camera footage from PDM Bridge confirms he was at work that night. Cummings is no longer employed there.
Cummings met Misty Croslin through her baby-sitting, both he and his mother have said. Living in Satsuma then, she had been taking care of her nieces and nephews, who didn’t live far from where Cummings and his children were staying.
Cummings and Croslin ended up marrying on March 12, 2009, about a month after Haleigh’s disappearance. Seven months later, they were divorced in mid-October.
In jail, Cummings was asked by a reporter why he put himself in a bad spot with the new drug charges. “I don’t know man. I don’t even know,” he said.
To pass the time, Cummings said he has been reading the Bible in jail. “I’ve been going to church since I was knee-high to a grasshopper,” he said, citing Bible verses that he said give him “a little hope.”
Neves said her son shares her focus.
“If they get something out of Misty and this is what it cost him, this is all we care about … Haleigh coming home,” she said.
But Neves also worries about what will happen if Misty Croslin has been telling the truth or can’t remember any more information about the night her granddaughter vanished.
“Law enforcement has spent a year waiting to be able to question her to be able to find out what she knows. If they’re wrong, we’ve wasted a year,” Neves said.
CathyJo,
I just saw this excerpt in your last post….
“Misty Croslin Cummings reported finding a blanket and sheets scattered outside the door of the Cummings residence when she discovered Haleigh missing.”
Whoever published this stuff doesn’t seem to know the facts. I have never heard Misty say that, and understood it was LE that put the sheets outside after they arrived….or at least some are saying that.
So many rumours, so few facts. Bottom line is LE have given us nothing but excuses.
I wouldn’t think associatedcontent is wrong,but feel free to delete it if you need too!
Thats what i found on the claims against her bro Adams!
on WESH.com… there is a tiny bit more video. Who drives a white chevy???
I think Ron didn’t want cousin Joe around Misty, but Cobra said Misty was spending alot of time with Cousin Joe.Tommy was around them alot.
I couldn’t recall where I saw/heard it… But, I believe T was confronted by someone on camera.
ME,I don’t know,though i have HEARD it before yes but as to the truth idnk!!! Delete it,I can’t!
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 20th, 2010 at 9:32 pm I really don’t like to bring this type of allegation up, but… I was trying to figure the time-line of that… and did that allegation have anything to do with the brawl?… seeing how he was over to the house that night.
But, would R allow T around his daughter, if M had confided in him.
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I recall her making that allegation. She has twice publicly suggested that she believed Tommy and/or Joe might be responsible. The first time was in her first round of questioning/media statements. The 2nd time was when she talked about the fact that people had seen Tommy around the house that night. It was shortly after that that Tommy was questioned about being there, then he admitted that he was, but gave an excuse for it (Ron asked him, he claims). It appears that Lindsay also lied to LE about Tommy’s whereabouts that night, as she was interviewed at length, on at least 2 occasions while Tommy was in jail/being interviewed. I wouldn’t put it past Tommy to have done that to Misty. I was seriously creeped out to hear he was caught hanging around a child’s bus stop off his face on drugs early in the morning…consistent with paedophile behaviour in my opinion. I don’t recall her specifically saying Tommy had messed with her, but I do recall her saying Joe had.
Perhaps Misty hadn’t confided that to Ron until after Haleigh went missing, but when she thought Tommy might have something to do with Haleigh missing, she told investigators and Ron about it? Maybe she was embarassed. It is not unusual for victims of sexual assault in those situations to keep it to themselves, particularly at her age. The abusers make them feel that they are to blame.
There is an interview where Misty makes that statement about the blankets being outside. I thinks she clarifies by saying that’s what was LE used for the dogs. That really doesn’t sound right, however, that LE would do that and not get evidence off of Haleigh’s sheets.
Ok… i think it was his truck that was relayed.
There are several things that make me wonder. Why was the bed made up? Why didn’t GGSykes answer Ron’s call that night? She answered when TN called her shortly after.
Wasn’t charles who drove the white chevy? Naynay’s car was white too!
I recall the Joe statement! Yes, victims keep it to themselves.
Cathy, UC said it was a white pick-up. I think Ron’s.
I know i had heard that too karom,I am looking!
oh ok,yea his truck with only God can judge me?
and true,theres no way a woman would blurt that out (molested)and even if she did she would have had totally different body language!
This is from discovery.com??
When police arrived at 202 Green Lane in the River Villa mobile home community in the Hermit’s Cove area of Satsuma, they were greeted by a frantic Ronald Cummings. When deputies were finally able to calm him down, he explained that he had last seen his daughter at about 10:00 p.m. Monday night before he left for work. He said he is employed by PDM Bridge, a company in nearby Palatka that builds steel girders for bridges. When he had returned home, at about 3:45 a.m., his girlfriend had told him that his daughter was missing.
According to Misty Croslin, she had been alone in the house with Haleigh and the child’s 3-year-old brother, Ronald Jr. Croslin said that when she had fallen asleep, Haleigh was next to her in the bed; however, when she later woke up to go to the bathroom—minutes before Cummings arrived home from work—she discovered that Haleigh was missing. Croslin also stated she observed that a rear door to the trailer was ajar and that a brick had been used to prop it open. Croslin further said that she observed a blanket and sheets scattered on the wooden ramp leading from the door.
“She’s afraid of the dark,” Cummings told First Coast News. “She didn’t leave my house. Somebody came in my back door and stole my child while I was at work.”
Within the hour, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement responded by activating its Child Abduction Regional Team, and over 130 officers from at least 10 county, state, and federal law enforcement agencies were on the scene to search for Haleigh. Helicopters, boats, divers, bloodhounds, ATV riders, and ground searchers conducted grid searches of the vast wooded area surrounding the trailer court.
A team of officers set up a roadblock on the only road out of the neighborhood and searched every vehicle that left the community, while another team conducted consensual searches of nearly 100 homes in the area.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/haleigh-cummings.html
Sorry,i hit post before adding the link,but it say’s she said a blanket was on the ground!
CathyJo63,
where did you get that article quoted above where it says,
“By Lise Fisher & Cindy Swirko
and Cindy Swirko, Staff writers
“Published: Sunday, February 7, 2010 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Saturday, February 6, 2010 at 11:16 p.m….
“Today, Haleigh’s paternal grandmother says she doesn’t know who Croslin has turned out to be. “I feel that somewhere in those two or three days before Haleigh went missing, she took a wrong turn in life, and that brought her to where she is today,” Neves said of the young woman her son dated, married and has since divorced. “I do not feel she is the same person she was when I first met her. It’s like night and day.”
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Where did you get that article?
According to authorities, polygraph tests have been administered to Haleigh’s father, 24-year-old Ronald Cummings, and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Misty Croslin. Cummings has told the media that they both passed; officials will not comment on the validity of his claims.
Earlier today, Putnam County Sheriff Jeff Hardy said that investigators have collected evidence from Cummings’ mobile home but would not describe the evidence.
“I can’t discuss what evidence was taken into custody,” Hardy said. “I don’t want to reveal what was found or not found.”
The evidence has since been sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Regional Crime Lab for analysis.
Speaking with Fox News, Putnam County Sheriff’s Office Capt. Steve Rose confirmed reports that there have been prior problems with Cummings, Croslin, and the children. He refused to elaborate on what the problems were, saying only, “There have been some investigations done through the Department of Children and Families,” Rose said.
On Tuesday, Haleigh’s mother, 23-year-old Crystal Sheffield, and her grandmother, Marie Griffis, arrived on the scene from Georgia. Griffis initially told the media that there were no problems between her daughter and Cummings; today, however, she told the media that their relationship had been “rocky.”
“If you’re in the bed with your child, and you get up and use the bathroom,” Sheffield told Firstcoastnews.com, “is there enough time for someone to come to the house and snatch the child out of the bed and disappear without you getting back to the bed in time? No!”
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Me,are you a mod here,lol I sure hope so cuz i have always assumed you were,thats why i say delete them..lol
From examiner,im sure!
I quit posting,no more!!!!!!!!!
I probably should not post this since I do not remember when she said this, but Misty said one day Tommy had been trying to call her and she didn’t want to talk to him. He kept calling, “he wanted to get with me, he kept calling because he wanted to get with me.”
Now, I am not familiar with lingo in Satsuma, but here where I live “he wanted to get with me” means only one thing.
Just throwing this in because at the time she said it I thought it an odd way to phrase it since he’s her brother.
Anyone seen those videos from the Crime-stopper post!!! I can’t put the link up on here… it’s on youtube.
may be associated content,but the last posts were from David Lohr,investigation discovery!
But i will not post anoder thing eva….lol Promise!
cathartic said,
in February 20th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
I probably should not post this since I do not remember when she said this, but Misty said one day Tommy had been trying to call her and she didn’t want to talk to him. He kept calling, “he wanted to get with me, he kept calling because he wanted to get with me.”
Now, I am not familiar with lingo in Satsuma, but here where I live “he wanted to get with me” means only one thing.
Just throwing this in because at the time she said it I thought it an odd way to phrase it since he’s her brother.
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CathyJo63 said,in February 20th, 2010 at 10:11 pm From examiner,im sure!
I quit posting,no more!!!!!!!!!
Except my own personal ones.lol
And Cath,i remember that well!!
Good night all. Have a nice rest.
Night-Nite Karon!!
Gnite’
CathyJo63 re your February 20th, 2010 at 9:38 pm post:
So now we have another theory to consider: a complete and total personality change. It sounds like a very rapid one. I can only think of two things that could cause that (besides mental illness).
Just what we need another theory.
CathyJo…that report has a few things wrong, like the time Ron last saw Haleigh. The reporting in this case has been awful. I don’t believe any reports basically unless they are quotes from LE.
CathyJo…not a mod…lol. I think Jan & Simon are the only mods here. And they have been great to us.
cathartic?…is that about the day that led up to the family altercation at GGMS…when the Croslins claimed they came to get Misty, and Misty claimed they wanted valium? And Tommy had Ron charged? I think what she meant was that he wanted to get together, and I do recall she told someone that the family were after her for her pills, which sounds quite plausible to me!
Perhaps Ron was spilling the beans when he is pleading with the undercover cop to please never tell anyone I did this. Ron states that if people knew he deals drugs it would be assumed Haleigh’s disappearance is related to drugs. I remember him in the background of the 911 call yelling to Misty , “How did you let my daughter get stolen.” I remember in an early interview Misty saying,”Haleigh was just a little girl. I wish they had taken me I could have fought back.” Those comments fit well together. Ron was mad but could not blame Misty 100%. Even if she was not home at the time.
I think Ron and Misty both know that Haleigh was taken because of drug money. That is why Ron stuck with Misty and Misty with Ron. Haleigh is gone and nothing will bring her back. Ron and Misty accepted that fact. They moved on with their lives rather quickly.
The last thing a hard core duggie wants to be accused of is being a snitch. Where would they get their drugs if they put this theory out there? Who would buy drugs from them? It would has messed up so many things for them. It might have even gotten them killed. At the least they would have had to admit what the undercover tapes are showing us now.
nicoleinny said,in February 20th, 2010 at 7:38
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Denise-why would someone from the Sheffield family abduct Haleigh and not take Jr. also??? Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense especially if you believe the motive is they became aware of the situation at Ron/Misty’s trailer. If so, why leave the younger more vulnerable child behind and take Haleigh only? Would be nice if true, but doubtful. IMO.
________________________________________________They would have tried to get Jr. too. I think that is why the back door was propped open to be quiet enough to sneak back in and get Jr. but I think something happened there to stop them maybe that is what woke up Misty and whe they seen her get up looking for Haleigh they could not come back. Was she in the middle of Haleigh and Jr. Haleigh at the end of the bed and Jr. next to the other side of the room. It would have been easier to hurry and get Haleigh and keep her quiet so they could go back in. This is all just a theory but I think it makes more sense than alot of things I have heard so far. jmo of course!!
Denise, I do not think the motive was because of the lifestyle there. I think Haleigh would have been the easiest to shuffle around. Junior would probably have cried alot more being away from his home.
The main thing that bothers me is that I have lost confidence and respect for the investigators in charge. They have not shared anything in a yrs time then I see now they are relying on pyhics for tips. That is not good. Where I live if LE is stumped on what happened they will reach out to the community for help. They have not done so. I have heard where they have not followed up on leads that were handed to them. That is rumored at this point but I havent heard them come out and speak against these claims. HaLeigh’s family is owed that. They should not have to ask their gov. for the
FBI to take over the case. It sounds like they have lost their confidence as well. We need some answers to our questions as concerned citizens. This little girl has captured our heart for some reason. If we do not keep asking questions and letting things go as is then the questions will never be answered and Misty will be in jail on drug charges. And what I mean by that is yeah, she will be in jail but where is the answers on Haleigh. There will be none. These charges should not be just dropped but we need to figure out what is going on so someone else needs to overlook everyone to make sure EVERYTHING is looked at and every question answered. Haleigh may be in good hands but she deserves to see her family again.
Anyone know the specifics of the red rose? Who placed it there, how Misty knew of it?
Reading back through transcripts one thing stood out to me, Ron can tell Misty’s story about the night Haleigh went missing better than Misty can.. I just wonder if it is Ron’s story and not Misty’s, that’s why she gets it so messed up all the time?
who knows??
who knows – I just want to see this post make 1000 posts
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