We have encountered a bit of a technical online issue, however we do have a solution. Hopefully tomorrow we will have the DVD’s at a location with super fast upload capacity, we will still need to render them, but data is coming your way as fast as we can process it.
I have not had an opportunity to watch it, but apparently on DVD 3 the whole Croslin family starts to unravel. On DVD 1 Hank Croslin Snr warns daughter Misty that she might be in for a rough ride. Brother Tommy has taken a polly and passed it. The statement is clear, if Misty has anything to bring to the table, now is the time. DVD 3 seems to tell a different story. I have not watched it yet, but apparently Hank Croslin does a 180, the story now is that Tommy Croslin FAILED the polly.
This once again puts everything back on the table.
You will not want to miss tomorrows broadcast, we hopefully will have some information that no-one else has.
We are still firming up the panel, but it looks like it will be Simon and Jan Barrett, crime writer and author Denny Griffin, investigator Peter Hyatt, and the director of news and programming for WSKY 97.3 TJ Hart.
We certainly have lots to discuss. I have a theory about these new tapes, I can’t wait to hear what the panel thinks.
Tune in tomorrow at 3pm central. The search for Haleigh Cummings has become a war of attrition. I am not much of a gambler, but I would put my money on Law Enforcement. The Cummings and Croslin clan seem to unravelling at the speed of light. The Sheffield folks seem to be more capable of keeping their play book secret, but there have been some stories floating around that give me pause for thought.
Simon Barrett
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On your radio show tomorrow, please, please, please address the Sheffield stories that are floating around!!!
I would call in if I could but unfortunately I have to discuss a funeral with my minister.
Thank you!
In one of the recordings I believe that I heard Misty tell her Father, “I don’t know nothing.”
hmm…
anyway Simon, you definatley got the “Bombshell” and the “Exclusive” on these tapes! Good job.
Tape 1 of Misty 1208 mark she says I would never tell. She should be saying Iwould tell.
Go back and listen, her brain says one thing but her mouth says the truth.jmo
I wonder if Junior is now telling councilers what he knows about that night? If you arent familiar with the BOBBY CUTTS story google it they got info about this murder from a 2 year old. He said Daddy hit Mommy and wrapped her up in the rug. He was caught and tried for murder he is in prison now. jmo
tobias said,
in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:34 pm
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Sure hope Junior is still in counseling.
Boy, Misty goes ape when Lindsy wont let her see Austin, claims Lindsy is gonna wear her clothes???? Calls her a biotch. All because Lindsy is mad at her and doesnt believe her lies ? And whats with the other cell mate ? Misty says a cell mate is saying Misty said some crap or something? jmo
On one of the audio tapes of Tom & Hank/Lisa, Lisa talks about Misty telling her that ‘she and Tom were sitting on the couch’ [paraphrased].
Yes Tobias and also she is obviously turning against Ron with her comments against him.
Misty isn’t telling anything specific about Haleigh’s disappearance but she is landing solid verbal blows that imply that Ron is not exactly innocent and that LE should be looking in his direction.
I did catch some domineering qualities in her statements about LETTING another girl out to talk before she went out to use the phone. It came across like she runs the place. jmo
Tuff, She also implys Crystal and Amber were telling the truth about him. jmo
I am also curious about Ron hitting the door with his fist that got bloody. Did it happen before or after the LE were there? The reason I ask is if it were before he may have done it to cover another injury on his hand. jmo
It would also cause you to cry in pain too. But why touch the door when they said not to? jmo
Tobias if you go to Art’s website the article about that handprint on the door can be found there.
Just curious but does anyone know if there are any pictures of the door that Ron allegedly punched floating around anywhere?
Hello Bloggers I have not been able to read tapes so have been reading your posts for insight. First I want to tell all of you what kind compassionate people on this site. We are living in a time of greed, poor economy. War that has taken the lives of our young sons + daughters. So….. it is so refreshing to hear the compasion + concern that the bloggers on this site have shown. It helps to re-news hope in my heart.
I hope cathyjo hasn’t tried make her way to floardia to twist toy’s ears or worst. lol
I also hope that Misty gets a lawyer that will advocate for her + to get a reasonable prison sentence.
Tobias @ 7:31, it sounds as though she said “I wouldn’t never tell’, or “I would never tell”.
Yes Jason, I heard that too, on one of the tapes and Tommy sure cut his mother off at the pass, saying the usual he couldn’t talk about it. I wanna know what Misty said to her mother!!
IMOIt sounds like Misty is saying “I would have to tell” tape 1, 12:08. “have” a bit softer
Wow.. the first set of Tommy tapes, were rather revealing IMHO… the part where LisaC says “Misty said you two were sitting on the couch”, that was the most vocal/adamant I heard Tommy in any of the tapes… he immediately interrupted and told his mom to stop talking. Of course there were many times he said, that is BS or that is a lie, one of the few times I heard him really get angry tho was the discussion of him sitting on the couch (it also sounded as tho portions of this conversation were redacted), and shut his mother off so quickly. (And I sooo wish those people could learn how to use the *3 button on their phone when they get a jail house call)
The Misty/dad tapes… not a popular opinion, and no I am not OJ’s Glove in disguise…. but the words broke my heart. Misty’s father went from “I believe you…stop lying…I know you didn’t do nothing..Tommy thinks you hate him..Tommy knows you love him..you are lying to everyone..I know you know somthin'” every two minutes he changed HIS story, in between talking about his aches and pains and his problems..IMHO exemplifies the chaos and instability Misty has known all of her life. Misty can’t read at a 4th grade level, yet she is reading not one, but two Bibles??
So tragic, so generational in drugs and dysfunction…… heart breaking for all of the children in their care. And yes I include Lindsy in the mix.. her giggly flirting, love you forevers, I am a celebrity, narcissitic attitude, to now so offended altho she has known Tommy was a hard core drug addict and theif while she continued to bring 3 babies in the world by him, for me is nauseating.
Sorry to ramble, anyone else think the “couch story” was a very sore subject to Tommy??
tobias said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 7:34 pm I wonder if Junior is now telling councilers what he knows about that night? If you arent familiar with the BOBBY CUTTS story google it they got info about this murder from a 2 year old. He said Daddy hit Mommy and wrapped her up in the rug. He was caught and tried for murder he is in prison now. jmo
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Tobias,i caught that in the misty dad tape?? LoL I thought WTH?
not that Tobias,crap i grabbed the wrong post,it was where she said one thing but her tongue another,lol sorry!
yes,i remember that well Tobias Cutts?
he just knew he got off that one,lol
Yes, I noticed the abrupt cut off when the couch story was mentioned, too. Wonder if that was going to lead into the bit about Joe being in the bedroom and then Haleigh was dead when he left the room. I heard those words somewhere recently.
i still havent heard the new ones! gonna go listen but wanted to check in,lol
Tobie said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 6:27 pm I took Misty to mean she tried to call Ron from whenever she woke up (?) at 3:00 A.M. until when he arrived home at 3:25… That’s what I thought in the first place when I heard the tape. That sounded reasonable…
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Also in the earliest interviews Ron stated this too, so I was totally confused when he started stating he knew something was wrong when he pulled up and saw she was awake, because surely he knew she had to be awake to call him in the first place. Just another lie upon lie upon lie.
sHE LETS THINGS OUT LIKE THAT. oN THE VOICE STRESS TEST SHE LETOUT tOMMY WAS THERE THAT NIGHT AND QUICKLY COVERED WITH i MEAN THAT DAY.
Jnet said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 pm Wow.. the first set of Tommy tapes
Sickens me too Jnet!
I went and re listened to the first tape of Misty at the 12:08 mark and to me she is clearly saying “People don’t understand. If I knew I would never tell”.
Jnet good point about misty and the bibles. For myself I am not certain that these people will say anything to save themselves from rediculously long prison sentences.
Tobias,to my understanding it was before le got there,the 911,ron showed them the door where he hit it and it matched up with his story,I read that awhile back?
anyone recall what tape number the ‘couch’ was mentioned? thanks
Cathyjo saints be praised your here!!!!!
actially about a week ago i read it!
been dying to get here bio,all day,lol
But we dont know if he had injuries to that hand before he hit the door. It could be the reason he did it, to cover previous wounds. Why would he hit the door when they told him not to even touch it? jmo
hitting a door or wall is a common vent for anger frustaration, done it myself when i was rons age.
Matched up how exactly though CJ63?
IIRC I read “handprint” on the Art Harris website article regarding the injuries to Ron’s hand.
So are we to believe that the injuries are what? On the palm of his hand or was it that Ron b-slapped the door or what?
How solid is said door vs an angry Ron’s fist? Should there be knuckle/fist indentations on said door or?
right Tobias,his hand was bloody,i did read that?? before the 911 call was when he was supposed to hit it,i am searching for it now.when they seen his hand they asked him to show where he hit it? all i know….(mistys phrase)….
All i know Tuff,is the le were satisfied it matched up,heigh maybe,blood spatter??
his knickles i too iit??
Gosh OJ I think it was either tape 12 or 13, I’m sorry I should have made note of the tape as it really jumped out at me… You know how Tommy says “that’s bs, nah that didn’t happen, etc” in his slow southern drawl.. well the couch part, you can hear him almost jump thru the phone, know what I mean?
ge wiz,knuckles,i took it….lol
cuz i thought,he may have hit someone,at the time i read it i thought maybe??
Also IIRC the door was not taken in as evidence for quite some time. Is this the same door that Ron allegedly injured his hand on or was it another door or?
Surely if it were that same door there should be pictures available of this door somewhere I would think.
seems to me it was highhhhhhhh up on the door?? looking now
I wonder if it shows up on the NG tour of the home? Gonna go look brb.
tx jnet, I recall tom telling his mom to shush but I didn’t listen to what she said.
Jnet
I agree, I think he told her to shut up because that would place him at the scene. they being in jail the parents are dying to know the truth as to everyone else- they want to confirm everything they heard. seems like he was there. He knows , misty, timmy and chelsea too.
none of the other players were injured, and haleigh wouldn’t have done it..I think he punched the door.
Tuff Stuff
it did take along time for them to take the door- remember the door had rope hanging on it too?
lost my conex n again sorry
He may have OJ’s. Why does Art Harris’s website article say handprint matches up though?
Who knows maybe he b-slapped the door? It does seem curious though.
hmmmmmmm i cant find it,used google and all
that was the backdoor with the rope, I think he hit an interior door.
Listen to tape one, Misty says:
“I wish they’d make me come clean….and punish me”….
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on tape one!!
oh,i just thought,i think it may have been AH site because i thought,welll if thats true i’d have heard it beffore now so i am sure thats why i never posted it,lol
Just One… I also found it interesting when Misty said she tried to call Ron and he wouldn’t answer his phone, and then when she opened the door (which I thought they had said previously it was blocked open by the cinder block)he was standing outside.. and Misty said “so where do you think he had been”? That for me was a new twist on who was home when and if the door was open or not, and what was Ronald doing?? Makes my head spin, IMHO Misty was more honest in the conversation with her Dad about Ron coming home vs. the tale that was told on the 911 tapes. or so in my humble opinion
yea tommy kept saying shut up,i’d slap his mouth!
i am 99% sure it was the back door tuff,the article i read was? lol
Tuff Stuff said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm He may have OJ’s. Why does Art Harris’s website article say handprint matches up though?
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art’s site is very inaccurate..handprint, knuckle print, face plant, no tellin what he meant.
I’ve seen pictures of the injuries to Ron’s hand before. IMO the injuries were what I would think would be consistant with punching something. So if Ron had actually punched said door hard enough to cause those injuries to his hand I would think there would be visable damage to the door also.
did you guys see the post i posted yesterday about misty telling charles j that a black man approached him at the gas stn?? and told him he could get Haleigh back??
dunno if its true,just threw me there for a bit cause i’d never heeard that!
Cathy Jo
slap him- pull his ears and wash his mouth out with soap haha
soap he stole or buy my own,rofl??
yea CathyJo I saw you post that and a few others too- wherd u see/hear that?
i cant swear it but i beleieve it was on AH!
Curiously Ron’s friend Orlando didn’t seem to stick around for very long. IIRC it was rumored that there was a disagreement between him and Ron over owed money?
How ironic if true?
Hahaaaaaa he needs to quit smokin that pipe too if he wants to keep some teeth
Kristie,n/g artcle i wanna say?????
What I was saying about his hand was if he injured it at some point he may have punched the door so everyone would think this is where the injury occured. Just a thought since he was told not to even touch the door by 911. jmo good night have to work in the morning arrrggg. C u all later.
ya know,he coulda had a fist fight that night,who knows?
Makes me wonder if Orlando was subject to being thrown under the bus also?
kristie…. I agree with you, I think there are a lot of Croslins that were there, but I think TN has more involvement too..I know I sound like a lunatic, but I truly think many individuals are culpable in the loss of precious HaLeigh, and unfortunately I am not just talking about the drug addiction/dysfunctional lifestyle. I mean for that particular day, evening, night, early morning when HaLeigh went missing.
Tommy’s need or desperation to talk with Timmy also raised my suspicious mind.
Jnet said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 9:09 pm Just One… I also found it interesting when Misty said she tried to call Ron and he wouldn’t answer his phone, and then when she opened the door (which I thought they had said previously it was blocked open by the cinder block)he was standing outside.. and Misty said “so where do you think he had been”? That for me was a new twist on who was home when and if the door was open or not, and what was Ronald doing?? Makes my head spin, IMHO Misty was more honest in the conversation with her Dad about Ron coming home vs. the tale that was told on the 911 tapes. or so in my humble opinion
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Wow-I missed that, do you remember where you saw that stmt by Misty or was it the front door she was referring too? It’s possible I just forgot. I can’t imagine why he never answered the phone especially when you consider he tried 20+ times to reach her. I honestly think he already knew, and I do agree she was more honest in the convo with her dad, and it confirmed many things I already had specualated. This case has made my head spin since the beginning, I mean seriously how hard is it to get even one honest answer that isn’t contradicted by another player. It’s mind numbing
right Tobias,what i thought too!
I will RE find it!!!!!!!!!!!
cathy, will you be at the chat room for tomorrows show?
Jnet,i used to have a lead foot but TN made it before the time even God allows,ya know…….which is why i cannot help but ask myself if she picked ron up at work earlier?
I recall watching a news clip where the discussion was in regards to Ron allegedly punching a vehicle bumper. I can’t find it but I know that I saw it. I remember thinking it was strange and wondering what that had to do with the case?
it depends on Dakota,i wanna be OJ!
i registered last week,lol
two different doors jnet, backdoor blocked, misty was standing at the frontdoor.
awwww,i hate to run,Dakotas hollerin! lol ill bbs as he goes to nappers house!
same nic cathy?
Just one…. it is on (I think) the second tape that is listed above… it is where Misty is gettin really upset with her dad and she goes on for aprox 4 mins of Ronald and his family….. let me go back and check, I think I could find it fairly quickly 🙂 or try anway! brb
sorry Just One wrong thread… where one and two recordings of Dad visiting Misty.. and thanks for the clarification OJ of the doors, I need to relisten!!
I’m off to listen to the last 3 audios..back in a bit
Jnet said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 pm sorry Just One wrong thread… where one and two recordings of Dad visiting Misty.. and thanks for the clarification OJ of the doors, I need to relisten!!
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Ok, I remember her starting to speak her mind on Ron and his family, just was confused about which door.
gabby said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm Listen to tape one, Misty says:
“I wish they’d make me come clean….and punish me”….
@10:30
on tape one!!
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It’s closer to the 10:44 mark where she says that.
Well I have to say Misty sure seems beat down. Poor Hank is so confused as to which of his children is involved. He wants so bad to believe one of them is innocent. If they killed that baby they have taken their parents too.I don’t like Tommy I think he is involved. I am disgusted with Flo Hollars. She should be concerned with Lisa right now. Just when I thought these folks couldn’t get any worse they find Flo Hollars. OMG OMG I have need see an animal eat their own like Flo does.
Tuff Stuff If I heard correctly Misty wants the jail to task her with cleaning as part of her punishment
True COOP. She sure seems desperate in her pleadings to get out of where they are keeping her.
I’m more confused now than before. You have Hank sr. saying that he believes misty and then he doesn’t believe her. Then Misty tells about Ron standing in the door way when she opens the door that night. Which I thought that she had stated before that she saw Ron pull in the drive way that night? I wonder if this tape was after she found out that Ron was going to testify against her? I hope LE is close to solving this case.
“Jnet said, in May 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 pm
Wow.. the first set of Tommy tapes, were rather revealing IMHO… the part where LisaC says “Misty said you two were sitting on the couch”, that was the most vocal/adamant I heard Tommy in any of the tapes… he immediately interrupted and told his mom to stop talking.”
Maybe Misty and Tommy were having sex and Haleigh witnessed this?
From NG transcripts:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/27/ng.01.html
RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: I pulled into the yard, the front door was wide open. She was standing in it. I asked her what she was doing up. She told me that the back door was wide open and Haleigh was gone. I turned the house upside down. Started to call 911.
VERSUS…………..
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html
CUMMINGS: No, she did not, not until after I was there. She tried to call me, but I was pulling in the driveway. So I asked her how come she was trying to call me, she needed to call 911. So she immediately called them then.
So, I guess NG has lost all of her objectivity because this is clearly two different versions of what Ron stated, and it can’t be both?
to this new information, just after Ronald Cummings had arrived home on February 10, 2009 early in the morning and before Misty called the police, the violent and angry Ron had punched the backdoor to their double-wide mobilehome with his fist out of frustration.
Art Harris Blog: “Ronald Cummings fist appeared to be badly bruised after his daughter was reported missing at 3:27 am, Feb. 10. On the 911 tape, he sounds angry at Misty, and police tell me he was so upset his daughter was gone, he reared back and slammed his fist into a door.
‘He was upset when he got home, and when he got angry, he punched a door and busted up his knuckles,’ said Lt. Johnny Greenwood, spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department in an exclusive interview with The Bald Truth, aka artharris.com.”
This newly disclosed information puts everything in a new light. I find it to be very credible that Ronald Cummings had indeed acted like a grieving parent. Why? Because Ron never went around bragging about how he had punched his backdoor. Not once did he point out anywhere that he had busted up his knuckles bad enough to cause bleeding.
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wanted to find and post this before i signed off!!
bbs….hugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not once did he point out anywhere that he had busted up his knuckles bad enough to cause bleeding.
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neither would I if i didn’t want it known for others reasons……
they saw his hand or maybe he wouldn’t have told it,who knows the door wasn’t punched in another episode of him and mistys!
Yes Oj,i don’t change nix ever,lol only 1 me?? Thank God for that,lol
i will brb soon as possible,hugs..really i am a goner,lol
Just One It is on the first tape at 21 minutes…… I started at 24 and then couldnt find it lol…. I am not sure how anyone would know if Misty is talking about the front door or back door tho ..OJ? The cell calls alone, based on what Misty said on the tapes should provide a lot more info on whom was trying to reach who….. and so it goes!
On the hand of ron, remember the simpson case where simpson had the bloody finger he claims to have cut on a glass he smashed in the chicago hotel room where he was when they told him of nicoles death.
BS.
I’d want to know if ron had an injury and when it happened.
Jnet said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 pm Just One It is on the first tape at 21 minutes…… I started at 24 and then couldnt find it lol…. I am not sure how anyone would know if Misty is talking about the front door or back door tho ..OJ? The cell calls alone, based on what Misty said on the tapes should provide a lot more info on whom was trying to reach who….. and so it goes!
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TX! I will go listen again and I agree with you about how in the he77 would we know what door Misty is referring to, and so more questions than answers as usual in this case.
jaba said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 pm On the hand of ron, remember the simpson case where simpson had the bloody finger he claims to have cut on a glass he smashed in the chicago hotel room where he was when they told him of nicoles death.
BS.
I’d want to know if ron had an injury and when it happened.
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Excellent point, and didn’t Scott P also have an injury IIRC? I think he stated it was from the tool box when he was questioned about it.
Also IMO he has had many inconsistencies himself and is exhibited very suspicious behavoir no doubt.
scott and oj fought adults..I don’t think haleigh inflicted wounds on ron if thats what your getting at.
the ‘couch’ comment was on tape 15 fyi
Jaba/Just One. I agree with what you are saying about Ron’s hand, however I have to admit I never believed one word he said from the very beginning when HaLeigh was reported missing/”stolen”, basically not one word that came out of his mouth… IMHO I think he is an insecure little man with a lot of issues, his mama leaving him, a horrible drug addiction and a man that required an even more insecure CHILD, as his mate, someone that he can completely control.
To Honesty… no I don’t think Tommy and MC were having sex on the couch, rather it was the first scenario Tommy’s mother offered that had one iota of truth to what really happened the horrid night to baby HaLeigh, and it scared the heck out of him that the truth was becoming known… IMHO
Thank you muchly to Simon, Jan et., al.!!! :))
I just want to make sure anyone who was at that trailer or showed up to the trrailer at 330 can account for evry single thing they did, minute by minute. That shouldne be a problem for a family interested in helping to find a missing girl who vanished into thin air, as they SOMETIMES tell it.
Hopefully my post at 10:11 is visable as it also includes the link as is proper protocol.
So it is, in fact, the back door that was allegedly punched after all. Allegedly punched hard enough to leave a handprint? Not a fist print, not knuckle indentations but a handprint.
Back door is the descriptor words being used for the door tht was allegedly punched. Not back screen door, screen back door or any other door but for sure it is the back door.
I am then left to assume that it is the same back door that was not taken in as evidence for quite some time.
…interesting.
Re the couch comment….I think Lisa was just repeating what she heard from GM Hollars, not something she heard directly from Misty.
GM Hollars sounded wasted on the tapes I heard her on. I wonder how many generations back it goes. Sad that Misty had to grow up surrounded by these sorts of “adults”.
jaba said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 pm I just want to make sure anyone who was at that trailer or showed up to the trrailer at 330 can account for evry single thing they did, minute by minute. That shouldne be a problem for a family interested in helping to find a missing girl who vanished into thin air, as they SOMETIMES tell it.
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I’ve heard plenty from Misty, Tommy etc and so far, the police have not been able to charge even one Croslin.
What I’d like to know, is how Chad, Marie, Crystal, Johnny spent their time, what calls they made, and where they were, from the time ?Crystal got served with the warrant threatening jail, until they arrived in Palatka.
Jnet said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 pm Jaba/Just One. I agree with what you are saying about Ron’s hand, however I have to admit I never believed one word he said from the very beginning when HaLeigh was reported missing/”stolen”, basically not one word that came out of his mouth… IMHO I think he is an insecure little man with a lot of issues, his mama leaving him, a horrible drug addiction and a man that required an even more insecure CHILD, as his mate, someone that he can completely control.
To Honesty… no I don’t think Tommy and MC were having sex on the couch, rather it was the first scenario Tommy’s mother offered that had one iota of truth to what really happened the horrid night to baby HaLeigh, and it scared the heck out of him that the truth was becoming known… IMHO
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OMG, you are in my head tonight! I have never believed a word he stated either and clearly saw he had abandoment issue and have always thought he sought out young girls with little to no self esteem in order to control them obviously due to the fact his mom left him when he was 3yrs old for 10 yrs IIRC.
me,
Do you recall word for word the nice things that Crystal had to say about Ron and possibly even Misty initially before things turned so ugly? tia
wrong jaba, i been in panic situations.. we were camping and my 3 year old daughter was gone..me and my wife had only been talking for maybe ten minutes..when we checked for her she was gone..middle of the day..we both started calling her name, and luckly I saw a tiny pinpoint of a figure running away down the road at top speed..when I caught up with her she said “you guys were lost”..you cannot account for as you say “minute by minute”, time stands still in a situation like that..
Me… I don’t think Misty ever even had the chance to grow up. She was still a child when left on her own, and a bit later when she was given the responsibility of two young children.
GM Hollars comments truly made me sick to my stomach… IMO What LC said was merely they (TC & MC) were sitting on the couch…… I don’t believe it was sexual in any way, just placing people at locations, they have stated they were not at….. gosh, so very confusing….. who knows???
Me, you’ve heard what le has released, not all of what they have.
Jnet,
I think the reason Tommy was desperate to get a hold Timmy was because they would no more about Lindsy than Hank Sr or Lisa . Hes really afraid that hes gonna lose Lindy’s and kids.
Tuff Stuff said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 10:46 pm me,
Do you recall word for word the nice things that Crystal had to say about Ron and possibly even Misty initially before things turned so ugly? tia
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I sure do. But I also remember how quickly she turned, and I’ll never forget her face on Geraldo, when she should have been pleading for people to look for Haleigh, all she talked about was how Ron abused her. I also remember the internet campaign very well.
me..a couple nights ago when the discussion turned to the sheffield side of the family the haters were here in mass..like a concentrated effort to distract.
jaba said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 10:52 pm Me, you’ve heard what le has released, not all of what they have.
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I know what they don’t have….an arrest and Haleigh. Almost 1 1/2 years and it appears LE have either been outsmarted by the Croslin clan (which doesn’t say much for them) or they’ve been looking in the wrong direction.
OJ’s,
Yep, that tends to happen.
Your situation doesn’t mirror these peoples. If what you say is true, then the child wasn’t out of eyesight at the end of her ‘escape’. Maybe 100 yards, a little more and you had run at top speed for less than a minute? You didn’t state how the child got out from under your supervision, however briefly or lengthy- 10 minutes? so I’m not sure how all this ties in. Maybe the child sprinting away took her a minute or two to run that far, 100 yds or so.
Certainly not as long as it took misty to call 911 25 minutes after she noticed it. A kid running away for 25 minutes could be a mile away.
And we know they called 911 and what happened until police arrived? How many minutes was it? Anyone know?
I don’t think Ron’s injury could have been from hitting a door, at least not altogather. He had a cut or split open skin running along one finger , past the fingernail, to the middle part of his finger. It was shown on that video where he is on his knees and doesn’t answer in ringing cell phone. His mother is sitting next to him.
jaba stands for jibberish
Cricket, I thought the same as you, and then I remembered all of the other tapes where his concern was more about the monies in his commissary account vs. what his children needed. This family seems to truly lack any type of loyalty..IMO.. it is not in my place to judge, I just have so very many doubts about their motive and true intent.
Just one….. I am turning over all thoughts to you for the rest of the night, lol because we are on the same wavelength but my mind is all over the place and a bit confused!! So not to embarrass myself I will hush!!
Good night all,my best thoughts to you and yours!!
Me,
There is no rush to get it wrong. Time will tell who had it right. LE has an open investigation and 3 drug traffickers already cinched up.
They can wait them out and if they have a consciense and did something they will come clean during their prison stays, hopefully, or we may never know. Very good possibility of that.
jaba stands for jibberish.
Karon said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:05 pm I don’t think Ron’s injury could have been from hitting a door, at least not altogather. He had a cut or split open skin running along one finger , past the fingernail, to the middle part of his finger. It was shown on that video where he is on his knees and doesn’t answer in ringing cell phone. His mother is sitting next to him.
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I agree, the injuries look different from what I’ve seen when people hit a door or wall, but you brought up a point that has stayed with me since the video you mentioned. If your child was “stole”, wouldn’t you answer every call that came in? Reminded me so much of Scott Peterson when he was being interviewed by reporters and he gets up and turns off the cell phone without even looking to see who called, and Ron didn’t even look to see who called either. Major hinky red flag among so many others in regards to Ron
Jaba,
So does that mean that you agree with the proposition that all the Croslins have been able to outsmart LE and the only chance LE have of solving the case is if one of them decides to confess? Doesn’t say much for the combined investigative skills of PCSO and the other involved LE.
And shocking statements sticking up for the female prisoner is your preference and I see why. No biggie.
Jaba,
So a five year old child is missing and possibly dead and it’s ok with you that LE hasn’t solved the case? No one has even been charged, let alone convicted of the offence, yet you’re happy. Hmmmm. I guess you wish witch hunts were legal?
Crystal’s initial response to Haleigh’s disappearance was to be compassionate towards both Ron and Misty.
Possibly that Crystal and her entire side of the family all assumed right away that it was a stranger abduction.
Had Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh’s disapearance that would not be the case at all. Crystal and her family members would have most likely come out throwing damaging blows from the get go.
That did not happen.
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well who would ron be expecting a call from concerning his daughter at that time? kidnappers wanting ransom? The cops were there so he knew it wasn’t the po, his family was there so he knew it wasn’t anyone important. ron had no time for bros askin whats up so he didn’t answer.
I’m not sticking up for ron just letting you know there are other explantaions.
Tuff Stuff,
Did you see Chad’s first interview with the media…about a day or 2 after Haleigh went missing? He started trashing Ron immediately.
I’ve never snuck pot into a female prisoner so I wouldn’t understand how one that has would feel.
Hope and misty seem very dear to anyone having experience with their situation and predicament from an insider point of view. Who wouldn’t sympathize witht their situations with a background like that.
I’m hoping I never get that close to the real deal. Not interested, really.
But, I do understand the blogging defense lawyer syndrome overtaking a person. I’m sure with enough proof one could help these two females appeal the injustice of them selling dope on tape, multiple times. I’m anxious to see that play out.
Me, no I don’t think extinguishing a 5 year old 40 lb life by an adult or pills has to leave any evidence behind at all when you have a flowing river close to the last place the child had been seen and those who saw her last and know her as family know where the river is. Suspicious to me. But, le has to have evidence. A toss in the river after a a year is hard to find evidence of.
This case has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. That aint easy in some cases. There is no video tape of this like the drug cases have.
Jaba,
Most police “investigate” cases like this. They don’t rely on junkies confessing.
Drew Peterson was a police officer yet LE were able to charge him.
Scott Peterson was more clever than Misty & Tommy….convicted.
I could go on and on.
People don’t always confess….that’s why we have detectives in most police forces.
there was videos of the rodney king beating..
not guilty..
me,
I did. I didn’t see it as he was trashing Ron at all. What did you hear that came off to you specifically that he was trashing Ron?
me said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:31 pm Jaba,
Most police “investigate” cases like this. They don’t rely on junkies confessing.
Drew Peterson was a police officer yet LE were able to charge him.
Scott Peterson was more clever than Misty & Tommy….convicted.
I could go on and on.
People don’t always confess….that’s why we have detectives in most police forces.
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True about Drew P’s third wife, but they have never charged him in Stacy’s disappearance, and come on now, we all know he killed her too!
Tuff Stuff,
I am talking about the video of him in Baker County. He started carrying on about how much the kids hated living with Ron and how they always cried when they had to go back to him. Maybe he hoped people would believe Haleigh ran away from home. Whatever his reason, entirely inappropriate. The focus should have been on finding Haleigh.
Its also not ok that adults lose a kid under their noses. Where is the ‘guard dog’ mentality you should have when you have a child under your care?
Where was the ‘nothing happens on my watch m’fer’ mentality of these guardians of children, huh? Where was the protect at all costs mentallity of these people?
It was in a pill bottle and high they had to have. All the fake courage they displayed after was disgusting.
This child was nabbed in an environment not conducive to anything but jail time and danger to the periphrial family members.
OJ’s glove said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 pm well who would ron be expecting a call from concerning his daughter at that time? kidnappers wanting ransom? The cops were there so he knew it wasn’t the po, his family was there so he knew it wasn’t anyone important. ron had no time for bros askin whats up so he didn’t answer.
I’m not sticking up for ron just letting you know there are other explantaions.
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Exactly. If my child was missing and I had the opportunity to plead for her safe return on national tv, I wouldn’t be passing that up to answer a friend or well wishers phone call. Of course he didn’t answer…..probably would have been even more criticised by bloggers here if he did.
me said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:35 pm Tuff Stuff,
I am talking about the video of him in Baker County. He started carrying on about how much the kids hated living with Ron and how they always cried when they had to go back to him. Maybe he hoped people would believe Haleigh ran away from home. Whatever his reason, entirely inappropriate. The focus should have been on finding Haleigh.
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“He started carrying on about how much the kids hated living with Ron and how they always cried when they had to go back to him.”
Word for word?
just one….they haven’t charged him “yet”. This may be the stronger of their two cases. Doesn’t mean they won’t charge him with the other murder after the trial for the first one.
Tuff Stuff said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:32 pm me,
I did. I didn’t see it as he was trashing Ron at all. What did you hear that came off to you specifically that he was trashing Ron?
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ME either, nor dod Crystal-when she would make a plea for HaLeigh’s return she almost always included I miss you and love you and your daddy misses and loves you. But, if I had been Crystal after hearing so many inconsistencies I’d have come out swinging much earlier, prolly b_tch slapped Misty and beat the cr@p out of Ron for leaving her with a child off coming off a 3 day sex/drug binge and I would surely fought fot custody of not only those fatcs, but after hearing Ron explain to Geraldo how DCF allows you to punish your child, he obviously had crossed that line in the past, and even his coworkers overheard him tell Misty to “whoop her”, clearly he has a short fuse, anger issues and is a drug aggict and dealer and always has been.
Yep rodney king was beaten and the cops were wrong no matter what rodney did.
Let’s see what did rodney do to get stopped? Oh yeah, on pcp was it? In a hundai doing 110 running from cops? Oh yeah, innocent of all things rodney king. Rodney was just driving down the road on his way to church and cops beat his ass? No, not exactly.
word 4 word? hmmmmmmmmm
that is suspicious..
Tuff Stuff…
My memory is not that good. Have you seen the video or not? If not, perhaps you should go watch it. I thought you said you’d seen it though. What is your recollection of what he said “word for word”?
just one- GREAT point about the ringing cell phone. I had never even thought about it, but you are right, it is an enormous red flag. IT SAYS IT ALL.
GOOD CATCH!
Ole rodney got a raw deal that night. But he wasn’t just snatched out of the blue.
And rodney got a settlement of big proportions and rightfully so, wonder how much he has left?
just one,
In the Geraldo interview, I don’t think she barely mentions Haleigh….it was all about “poor her”…”Ron pushed me” etc etc. No plea for Haleigh’s return.
me said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:35 pm Tuff Stuff,
I am talking about the video of him in Baker County. He started carrying on about how much the kids hated living with Ron and how they always cried when they had to go back to him. Maybe he hoped people would believe Haleigh ran away from home. Whatever his reason, entirely inappropriate. The focus should have been on finding Haleigh.
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In order to find HaLeigh or any one else for that matter, LE must work from the inside out to rule out those closest to the child, family etc., the fact they have never been able to do so speaks volumes and Ron refused to cooperate with the cops just a few months into the investigation. It’s always LE MOD to investigate family first and so be it, if my child was missing I’d be more than happy to let them pick my life apart in order to find my child because nothing else would matter and I wouldn’t be the least bit concerned that I “couldn’t do what I want to do” just a few weeks later, like Ron told the media, nor would I have the desire to drive across FL to get a tat when my child was missing, I lost a child myself and after she passed it was all I could do to get dressed weeks later, he seemed to be perfectly happy moving on with his life and getting married a month later to the “key” while a search for his child’s body was going on just down the road the very day of the wedding.
waz it say jay?
just one said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:39 pm
…..even his coworkers overheard him tell Misty to “whoop her”.
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Where does that nasty gossip come from?
me said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:39 pm just one….they haven’t charged him “yet”. This may be the stronger of their two cases. Doesn’t mean they won’t charge him with the other murder after the trial for the first one.
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True, and I expect that in this case too!
thats bogus
3jayhawks said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:43 pm just one- GREAT point about the ringing cell phone. I had never even thought about it, but you are right, it is an enormous red flag. IT SAYS IT ALL.
GOOD CATCH
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Thanks and YES IT DOES. It could have been that HaLeigh had been abducted and dropped of at a gas station when the perp saw how much heat was coming from the media (just an example of course), and they could have been trying to call and tell Ron the great news. No excuse for that or any of his actions in the past 15+ months IMO
could have been a wrong number too..
he didn’t answer cause it wasn’t important.
OJ’s glove said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 pm could have been a wrong number too..
he didn’t answer cause it wasn’t important.
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How could he possibly know that when he didn’t even bother to look at the number?
jaba said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:23 pm I’ve never snuck pot into a female prisoner so I wouldn’t understand how one that has would feel.
Hope and misty seem very dear to anyone having experience with their situation and predicament from an insider point of view. Who wouldn’t sympathize with their situations with a background like that.
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Wow a bit harsh don’t you think? I thank God I was raised by incredible parents that instilled strong values, and yes the confidence to speak my opinion,but perhaps more than anything, I appreciate the compassion I saw thru my families actions, and the grace I was taught from a very early age, that a lot were not as fortunate as I was…
And I am thankful I do not have to walk in the shoes of someone less fortunate than myself to try and understand the difficulties they have had to endure.
Are Misty and Hope guilty of selling drugs? It certainly appears pretty obvious they did exactly that. Do I think Misty is a “normal” 17 yr old? Absolutely not, due to the chaotic drug addiction and abandonment of her childhood. And yes I find the generational drug addiction and dysfunction beyond pathetic. And even more so, that the cycle is continuing, with no apparent end in sight.
just one…
It’s been 15 months. You talk like this only happened last week. And we are talking about the Croslins….not the brightest people in the world. Way too long and the case is getting colder by the minute. Time for new, properly trained and experienced LE to take it over. Haleigh deserves much better. She needs to be found and the appropriate people charged. Smart LE don’t count on the perps confessing, they investigate, and gather evidence to prosecute. Misty and Tommy have been interviewed for hours on end, multiple times, and they have not been charged with a single thing. Speaks volumes to me.
OJ’s glove said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 pm could have been a wrong number too..
he didn’t answer cause it wasn’t important
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OR more likely he already knew where HaLeigh was, so in the grand scheme of things your point is valid regarding the importance. He knew, along with MC, and his absentee mom and possibly many others.
if you would all look at that same video and stop at certain parts,youll see a cut own his head and bruises all over his neck if you zoom in.you can also see bruise right near the collar of the shirt and behind ears on some of the other videos..just saying
just one said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:56 pm OJ’s glove said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 pm could have been a wrong number too..
he didn’t answer cause it wasn’t important
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OR more likely he already knew where HaLeigh was, so in the grand scheme of things your point is valid regarding the importance. He knew, along with MC, and his absentee mom and possibly many others.
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oy vey just one..I now see you have an agenda..
I’ll make a note.
speaking of Rodney King,theres no excuse for what they did to him whatsoever,once they got him out of that car it should have taken no more than 2 cops to bring him down with a taser,but what they did is unexcusable,15 wasn’t it? cops and over 50 hits and kicks,and i don’t care what anybody says it was racial,he was black,the cops all were white….he got out of his car,turned,put his hands on the car,turned and laid on his stomach!!!!!!!!!!thats an example of a lowlife cop multiplied by 14!thats moo!
tape 8,omg his mom is crying,his dad has no gas and he acts like a jerk!
me said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:56 pm just one…
It’s been 15 months. You talk like this only happened last week. And we are talking about the Croslins….not the brightest people in the world. Way too long and the case is getting colder by the minute. Time for new, properly trained and experienced LE to take it over. Haleigh deserves much better. She needs to be found and the appropriate people charged. Smart LE don’t count on the perps confessing, they investigate, and gather evidence to prosecute. Misty and Tommy have been interviewed for hours on end, multiple times, and they have not been charged with a single thing. Speaks volumes to me.
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NOT ONE THING? Well, I guess I’m crazy because I could have sworn they were all sitting in jail on numerous drug trafficking charges, and let’s be real-those charges and incredibly high bail are a means to an end to put pressure on the ones in jail and play each other against one another. Not a doubt in my mind that the ones guilty of her murder are locked up as I post!
Night all
I don’t know if thats moo but it was typical..LAPD was known for bustin heads.
I received several stitches courtesy of lapd back in the day.
Get the bulk notebook paper from Sams Club to jot down the names of all the people who see things different than you, you can save a ton.
its a low down dirty thing they did,i saw him on one of the court shows,lol i forget which one cuz i watched all of them when i had cable but he had loaned a buddy some money and he wouldn’t pay him,that was a nightmare tho Oj to me!
If Ron Cummings has a short fuse and hit doors out of frustration, I hate to see what he can do to a child when he has a bad day. Remember the pictures Chrytal has of Haleigh & Jr. with bruises on their faces, it still haunts me. Those photos sure disappeared fast, instead they keep coming up with Ron & Haleigh rolling on the floor laughing silly and Christmas morning opening gifts. I bet Mother Teresa has more of white picket fences happy times.
Nancy grace is re-running misty drug tapes on HLN right now for anyone who’s interested.
Nancy Disgrace? lol phewwwww
Misty sure changed her tune on ron!
Its misty and company I watch it for, not the snarky NG herself. 🙂
Marie said,in May 23rd, 2010 at 12:11 am If Ron Cummings has a short fuse and hit doors out of frustration, I hate to see what he can do to a child when he has a bad day. Remember the pictures Chrytal has of Haleigh & Jr. with bruises on their faces, it still haunts me. Those photos sure disappeared fast, instead they keep coming up with Ron & Haleigh rolling on the floor laughing silly and Christmas morning opening gifts. I bet Mother Teresa has more of white picket fences happy times.
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boy thats a slanted post..the pics were proven to to be a schoolyard playground incident, it was an attempt to smear ron before crystal fired her dirty trick playing lawyer kim packizo
Misty says “I don’t know if that was jo or not”
not that i believe it or am one sided just an opinion,but what if tommy or jo or both thought they’d dress in black with ski masks on and come in and rob Misty that night and she couldn’t see them to tell ron who did it maybe or didn’t want her to know it was them but when the drugs and guns were gone,they freaked and hurt or took Haleigh! They could have and made her go to the bedroom after scaring her todeath? maybe she didn’t know it was tommy alone or tommy and him??
she sure is a good liar!
if she’s innocent i mean!
which tapes are the best oj,
right Jaba,lol
association after divorce:
Cummings and Croslin were both involved in a road rage incident with a man by the name of Charles Jones in late December, 2 months after their divorce. Croslin had been staying with Jones after she divorced Ronald.
Croslin had told Jones that a black male approached Cummings at a gas station and that the black male said he would get Haleigh back for Ronald.
– Jones says what tipped off the road rage incident is the fact that Misty could have told him too much information and Cummings was trying to intimidate him.
– Jones alleges that Cummings pulled a gun on him and tried to run him off the road.
Both Cummings and Croslin were busted selling drugs to an undercover cop in late January.
– Instead of searching for his daughter, or raising money for a search, or trying to spread information about her to help find her, he is dealing drugs with his ex wife who police say holds the key to the case.
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theres the article someone asked for earlier!
CathyJo63 said,in May 23rd, 2010 at 12:25 am which tapes are the best oj,
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the misty ones and #15 of tommys..
ohh ok ty OJ …are there more after these??
try lindsey for me,try lindsey for me,whewww
cathy, you been missing the chatroom all this time? I arrange my day around the show.. 3 oclock central, 1 pm pacific
CathyJo63 said,in May 23rd, 2010 at 12:36 am ohh ok ty OJ …are there more after these??
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there are still 5 dvds to upload..
and I’m sure there will be more as the case progresses.
lol k ty
5 dvd’s can’t wait!
correction..a partial uploading of the 1st dvd happened earlier.
where is it?? lol
go to the home page, new article
oh, maybe its the previous article..
opps..
me,
You were the one who brought up what Chad had said. I was simply asking you, since you appeared to know, if what you had posted was in fact word for word what Chad had said.
I remember watching the clip and from my own recollection I do not believe that what you claim he had said is word for word what he had actually said.
You then admit in your response that your memory is not that good but you went ahead and posted those things as though they were solid facts about what he had said anyway.
I mean that’s fine if you are 100% certain that it is what he said.
Apparently you are not though.
I just went to search for the video of that interview but couldn’t find it anywhere.
If any other poster can find it that would be great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btLiiTOnUHQ
I’d never seen this one?
I believe Christal any day over the Croslins and the Cummings. If my child came home with bruises after a visit with her dad, I’d tend to ask question. Don’t be so fast to discredit Haleigh’s mother, she lived with Ron and knows how he is. We don’t. Besides the truth has’nt come out yet.
heres an oxycontin abuser video for those interested,
we have heard it mentioned in Haleighs case! Thought I’d post it for education for you guys who fortunately never used drugs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H89C_8uNpYE&feature=related
I want her to have the chance to be a good mother,nobody wants her to fail,but Remember,Chloe was born with drugs in her system!
she went to visit her mom Marie,Haleigh lived with her dad!
Hey Tuff…I see nothing’s changed around here….LOL! I’ll search for that video for ya! Be GLAD to! BRB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YojMWm0kRf4&feature=related
Here is the transcript from the Geraldo interviews of BOTH parent. It is obvious, to anyone who can read, that Crystal is talking about Ronald being abusive because Geraldo is asking her questions about that! DUh!
Off to continue searching for Chad’s transcript…
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-23/story/transcripts_of_the_geraldo_interview_with_haleigh_cummings_parents_that_
I’d like to see some documentation on exactly ehat drugs were in Crystal’s system when her daughter was born. It sounds like nasty lies to me. Or a possibility of LABOR meds still in baby’s system after birth. SInce so many scream for proof to determine if something is true or rumor, I say bring on the proof or admit it’s a rumor….me. You’ve infected CathyJO! LOL!
I found transcripts for both Ron’s and Crystal’s Geraldo interview with Marie accompaning Crystal on hers but NO Chad comments…none…
just one said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:54 pm OJ’s glove said,in May 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 pm could have been a wrong number too..
he didn’t answer cause it wasn’t important.
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How could he possibly know that when he didn’t even bother to look at the number?
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These days, technology allows us to program our phones so that we can get different rings for different people calling us. I know lots of people that use this feature…it’s been around for years now.
Tuff Stuff said,in May 23rd, 2010 at 1:23 am me,
You were the one who brought up what Chad had said. I was simply asking you, since you appeared to know, if what you had posted was in fact word for word what Chad had said.
I remember watching the clip and from my own recollection I do not believe that what you claim he had said is word for word what he had actually said.
You then admit in your response that your memory is not that good but you went ahead and posted those things as though they were solid facts about what he had said anyway.
I mean that’s fine if you are 100% certain that it is what he said.
Apparently you are not though.
I just went to search for the video of that interview but couldn’t find it anywhere.
If any other poster can find it that would be great.
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I never claimed he said it word for word, nor did I claim he said it word for word. You said you saw it and that he didn’t say anything like that. Perhaps you should watch the videos before you accuse people of that. I say my memory is bad, but you don’t remember him saying nasty things at all, so it seems yours is far worse.
The video is at first coast news. As you’ll see, he quickly starts carrying on about how the kids hated going to Ron’s house and how he heard things about things going on down there etc.
HollysGmom said,in May 23rd, 2010 at 2:57 am I’d like to see some documentation on exactly ehat drugs were in Crystal’s system when her daughter was born. It sounds like nasty lies to me.
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I highly doubt Kim P would tell “nasty lies” to the Bar Association, particularly ones like that, which could so easily be proven a lie, if in fact it was one.
Was Misty on Ecstasy that night? Did Haleigh see something on the couch she shouldn’t have? Did Tommy go ballistic? Did Juniors words have validity to them? Man in black took Haleigh. Couch was going up and down, squeaky shoes.
Can’t help but wonder after hearing Tommy was so affected by Lisa mentioning the couch. I just get a bad feeling when I hear Misty say “I know dad”, when Hank Sr. tells her she has to tell the truth. There is a weakness in her voice. Not an adamant “I did, I was sleeping, I have no idea what happened or who took her!” “They should be looking for Haleigh and her abductor!”
What secret would they never want told? Maybe a dirty little secret. One so shameful they might have to silence Haleigh rather than admit to others or even themselves?
Hope I’m wrong but just sharing my thoughts.
In some very dysfunctional families brothers and sisters may tend to lose touch of their boundaries. Just saying. No proof, no slander, just a possible unsubstantiated theory.
maryd,
“What secret would they never want told? Maybe a dirty little secret. One so shameful they might have to silence Haleigh rather than admit to others or even themselves?”
My thoughts as well. This would definitely be a secret that only Misty and Tommy would share.
I had questions about the significance of the gun that kept getting brought up but Joe’s lawyer said that he “poaches” deer. I guess its better to be called a poacher than a murderer.
But the idea of Joe being brought into the mix tells me that it was common knowledge that Joe “fooled around/molested” Misty. Maybe they are using this fact to allude to a relationship that Tommy and Misty were involved in their own secret and Joe is to blame for this and is an easy target since he was in the area at the time??
I can understand the ex-bride’s father wanting to believe his children , but when he says the police don’t even believe her , it’s time for him to stop defending her and stop with the visitations. Maybe then , with no more visits from her family, the truth might come out. On the other hand, the ex-bride does say “If I knew, I would never tell.” Of course she will never tell because then she would have to implicate herself in the cover-up. I have to wait for the next round of tapes/DVDs to see what transpires next. One last thought is, the father wants her to come home and she wants to come home. With all the other problem facing this family, what kinda of home will she go home to? Sounds to me she better off in jail!!!
JNet @ 10:48 pm, good morning! Just thought I should let you know that LE didn’t say Tom and Misty were sitting on the couch.
During one of Tom’s calls to Hank and Lisa, Lisa told Tom that Misty said that she and Tom were sitting on the couch [paraphrased].
Good morning, CathyJo! Thanks for the link to a oxycontin video on YouTube – the use/buy/sell/use/buy/sell cycle and other aspects mentioned could have been true for Misty/Ron/Tom/Hope.
Good morning, Jason.:)
Remember Cobra talked about Misty/Tom making out on the sofa?
Good morning, Jaba! Have your run and coffee yet?
BTW, @ 9:40 am: Cobra didn’t say that he saw Misty/Tom making out. He talked as though he believed they were, but didn’t say why.
I find it hard to believe they had an incestuous relationship.
Didn’t run today. Its my day off, so to speak.
I did have some cereal and a banana with some orange juice. Wheat toast with too much jelly and my vitamin pills. No roxys, no oxys, no power and no leafy green ‘tobacco’. 🙂
Looking forward to smoking some ribs in a bit.
Dinner? Well, probably left overs.
I’m hesitant to mention it, for fear of further tainting their reputations with rumor.
It seems VERY UNLIKELY to me, but Tom/Misty on the couch has been mentioned by both Lisa (on the taped call), and Cobra (on Simon’s show).
Lisa said ‘sitting on the couch’, Cobra said [paraphrased]’making out on the couch’.
Will be having a 9 dollar bottle of wine with lunch.
I’ve had really expensive wine with clients of mine who wanted to impress me with their knowledge of wines and the greatness of all these different years and types.
To tell you the truth, I always agree and nod and swallow and praise, but really, I must be a rube. While I can tell there is A difference, its not always better. In fact, for me, its rarely better. And afte two glasses my taste buds are numb.
Jason, Yes, I recall Cobra saying within the last two months SOMETHING LIKE ‘that you could get Misty to talk by asking her how many times a week she and Tommy had sex.’ Does anyone else remember that?
Jaba, healthy, healthy, healthy! Your post reminds me that I need to get back into running, juicing, ‘whole fooding it’. I haven’t run in more than a year, haven’t juiced in a couple years.
I’m into tofu, soy drinks, and processed fruit/veggie drinks – not anywhere near as good shape as I could be.
All the talk of the croslin clan makes me even less likely to believe the sheffield bunch had a hand in this.
Seems like mc, tc are trying to point a finger away from themselves and at joe. I guess joe is an easier target but I feel mc and tc were at the mh when things went wrong, just can’t place joe there without some more evidence.
Jason, are you a vegitarian? I didn’t see ribeye mentioned in your post.:)
Once you get back at it, excercising that is, for about 3 weeks you will stick with it longer. Its just getting over the hump.
I feel I have to make time for a workout or run like I do a meal. I have to make the time whether its 30 min or and hour or a little longer.
You get to a point where you are disappointed when you miss one.
Jaba, 100% whole wheat for me, seasonally with tomatoes and lettuce; in the winter with marmalade or jelly/jam, a large jar of which is gone in no time (sets off sugar cravings)!
Jaba @ 10:06 – Yes, I eat a vegetarian diet, and try to eat vegan but some of the processed foods I eat contain egg/casein.
Jaba, thanks for the bit of motivation there, reminders of how much good health I’m missing out on. I love to run, and need to get back into it.
Jaba, re: “You get to a point where you are disappointed when you miss one”.
How true it is!
Even in the rain, for me. You, too?
Cate @ 9:57, it’s been a while since the radio show in which Cobra mentioned it . . .
March/April?
I was going over past articles and I found this. It stuck out at me and thought I would share it because someone might know what Neves was talking about or if it has been discussed at all. Thanks.
Snippet from the article:
Neves said family members missed a certain item while cleaning inside the Cummings home.
“There is something missing from the trailer that should be there,” she said. “I don’t know if it was taken for evidence or whoever took Haleigh took it.”
The missing item belongs to Haleigh, she said.
“It’s something that should always be there for her,” she said.
Neves said she could not explain what the item was because of the ongoing investigation.
Hi Robin
I heard that too- it was her Nebulizer
I think whoever took it may hav for drugs?
Simon has a new article up!
HI Jason
Im lsitening to the video on it now 🙂
me: Chad made this comment on February 12. Here is a snippet from that article:
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SATSUMA, FL — The fiance of Haleigh Cummings’ mom says he doesn’t know where the five year old is. Chad Griffis says police questioned him in the case on Wednesday.
Griffis says police asked him when he last saw Haleigh. Griffis says he told police he saw her two Sunday’s ago. “It was all the same. They(kids) didn’t want to go back,” Griffis says referring to sending Haleigh and her little brother back to their dad’s home.
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hey yall
I found this transcript on cnn look what it said..
WILLIAM “COBRA” STOUBS, BOUNTY HUNTER: Ron was convinced now, beyond any question of doubt, that she was not there. She wasn`t home, bro. She was out (EXPLETIVE DELETED) very possibly with (EXPLETIVE DELETED) again.
Hello to all. Long time reader never posted. I wanted to thank every single person for sharing. I am an advocate for ALL children.
Don’t know.. Or Don’t. We shall see.
Holly’s I duuno but i have heard it from people i respect as i do you,lol so thats what made me believe it but i would like some proof!
thanks,lol
When Misty talks about Ron claiming Crystal wasnt really a mom to the kids makes me think Misty wanted him to give the kids to her more or to give up custody. This just my feeling since Ibelieve Misty wanted Ron and not really all the responciblity of the kids. And he just wanted a babysitter for free and fringe benefits. I believe she was getting tired of it. The part on the UCtape about her 17 birthday getting f**ed up by having to stay with Haleigh shows she is recenting the kids and not Ron. jmo
robin said,in May 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 am I was going over past articles and I found this. It stuck out at me and thought I would share it because someone might know what Neves was talking about or if it has been discussed at all. Thanks.
Snippet from the article:
Neves said family members missed a certain item while cleaning inside the Cummings home.
“There is something missing from the trailer that should be there,” she said. “I don’t know if it was taken for evidence or whoever took Haleigh took it.”
The missing item belongs to Haleigh, she said.
“It’s something that should always be there for her,” she said.
Neves said she could not explain what the item was because of the ongoing investigation.
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Inhaler maybe,nebulizer?
Thanks..Where did they find the inhaler or nebulizer or who was in possession of it?
cathyjo
it was her Nebulizer
I think whoever took it may hav for drugs
culda been ron
Right Kristie,i thought it was?
Robin,i donn’t know but i know one was found at the fake search site?
if the fake search is true that is,sorry,lol
unless as some others speculated,they could have used it to smoke drugs through themselves so i dunno,lol
Misty is reading that news paper really well wth?
even the big words? and fast not like she had to figure them out?
Proof of ILLEGAL NARCOTIC drugs in Chloes system
In Ms Picasio’s response she says this:
The Department of Children and Families became aware of the allegations of drug use by Crystal. DCF requested a random toxicology test of Crystal Sheffield, during the course of their investigation, as they found it relevant to investigate Crystal’s fitness as a parent. At that time, in June 2009, I learned from DCF that Crystal’s infant daughter, Chloe, not even one (1) year of age, had been born with illegal narcotics in her system due to Crystal’s drug use during her pregnancy. The DCF caseworker had not informed me of this DCF case against my client, and I had no prior knowledge of the case until that time. DCF dismissed the investigation against Ronald Cummings, without explanation.
I felt as if I was only being told relevant information by the family, after a fiasco had occurred. I could not represent a client who was not being honest with me, and was taking illegal drugs. To make matters worse, In April 2009, Crystal admitted to me that she had taken unprescribed pain medication. Further, her mother, Marie Griffis, reported to me that Crystal had stolen her step-father’s pain medication after he had surgery in April 2009. I was extremely concerned over my client’s drug use. Crystal assured me that it was not an addiction, and that it had only taken a few pills due to back pain from an old car accident. In April, 2009, Crystal suffered another seizure, and was taken to the hospital by ambulance. All of these incidents played out loudly in the media. Despite my requests to family and friends to withhold all comments to the media about Crystal’s seizures, they defied my recommendations. As such, I then was forced to issue numerous press statements regarding Crystal’s status.
A vindication? I do not think so. A most telling statement comes from William Cobra Staubs:
Kim Picazio and I had conflicts during the case because she adamantly defended her client. During the course of the case, I personally witnessed Crystal Sheffield take illegal narcotics on several occasions. I attempted to tell Kim that her client was doing drugs. Kim Picazio did not want me releasing this information to the public. I confronted Crystal’s family about her drug use, and they believed she should be put in rehab. I was present at a meeting between Crystal Sheffield and her Father, Marty Sheffield, when her father demanded Crystal go to rehabilitation for drug abuse and addiction. Crystal refused. At that time, Kim Picazio and I were naturally on different “sides” of the case, as she was representing Crystal Sheffield.
You make what you will of these documents, TJ Hart of The Sky 77.3 has them all available here.
Simon Barrett
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If Teresa was talking about the nebulizer, please explain how they found it at the fake search site. How did they come to have possession of it? That’s puzzling to me.
An inhaler was found at the fake search site. Is a nebulizer the same thing as an inhaler? Sorry but I am totally ignorant when it comes to that. Thanks.
cathyjo
i read today about what u said about tommy falling asleep in the van after he dropped his son off. goodness- he took those pills and fell asleep.
when did this happen? was it the day after or another time?
me,
You are the one who brought up what you believe Chad had said. I simply do not believe that the way you summed up what he said was correct. I still don’t.
You are also the one who brought up issues with your memory, I just responded to how I took what you said.
Initially I just asked you a question. I wish I hadn’t now.
Anyway,
It is not uncommon for Children to cry or complain when going from one Parent’s house to another during visitations. The poor little Babies are being bounced back and forth and it probably feels like a punishment to them.
I think Chad was most likely being completely honest with his comments. An expert on Child psychology could do a much better job of explaining that better than I no doubt and imvho family counseling should have been utilized in this case long ago and long before Haleigh came up missing.
~no hard feelings.
PS I thought the gun in the ditch had been found after Haleigh was reported missing but I was quickly notofied that I was incorrect about that just the other day. I’m no hypocrit.
This is my first time posting on this website. I read your commentary almost daily. I read online articles and I watch (yes) Nancy Grace and sometimes Jane Velez. I always hope to see that the guilty will fold as the bending has already begun. They are all shady characters. That’s what happens when you are strung out on drugs. You have no moral compass… it is all “me, me, me”. I continue to hope that Misty will finally stop lying and Ron’s part will come to light.
What I don’t get is you guys on here arguing with each other. It really surprises me seeing it from people who I assume to be adults and who clearly care so much about this case and this poor little girl. It’s really not productive. Do what you wish, but I’m a little bit embarrassed for you guys as I read this thread today.
As far as the “Ron not answering his phone” bit goes. If it were me, and I were going to do a press conference or talk on camera, someone would have been holding my phone at the ready in case it rang. There’s really no excuse not to be available, even by extension, for a phone call when there is an Amber Alert out for your child. I agree with you guys…Ron is shady too. Instinct told me the day I saw this all go down over a year ago and those two cruising around smoking cigarettes, Misty smiling away and strutting around on camera, that they are both guilty of something. And I hope, if they are guilty, that they get theirs very soon.
Anyway, every post on here is an opinion…they are all good and have value. Hope everyone can treat each other with respect because I really like listening to you guys. I appreciate all of you and your detective work! Keep it up. Be well. =)
To OJ and Jnet – the part about Lisa saying Misty said she and Tommy were on the couch is on Tape 15. Tommy cut his mother off real quick and said he can’t talk about that.
Someone may have answered already, I haven’t read that far down yet, pardon my post if they have.
robin said,
in May 23rd, 2010 at 1:52 pm
An inhaler was found at the fake search site. Is a nebulizer the same thing as an inhaler? Sorry but I am totally ignorant when it comes to that. Thanks.
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Hi robin, No an inhaler and nebulizer are different.
An inhaler squirts individual doses of medication in the form of a mist into the lungs.
A nebulizer does the same except it is over a period of minutes to half an hour and considered a treatment. It it electric and bulky and not portable in the way an inhaler is, which you can stick in a handbag or pocket.
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