This tape that I found this morning blows my mind. It is Tommy Croslin and his wife Lindsey.
Polys, Misty being a liar, Tommy admitting that he was high the night that Haleigh Cummings went missing. Once again Steve Brown and Leonard Padilla get guest mentions.
I think this tape also shows the turning point in the Tommy and Lindsey relationship.
There is also whining about how they are going to pay for Tommy’s bond!!!!!!!!!!
Tommy wants to do the poly, but only if it gets him out of the slammer.
We also get some words of wisdom on the subject of dog training:
When he does that, smack the sh*t out of him with whatever you have in your hand
This tape is well worth a listen.
And don’t forget to tune in at 3pm central today. We will be talking about all of these tapes and more. The link is here.
Simon Barrett
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ronfan said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Ron is innocent.
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You are in denial and sadly mistaken.
TracyM-lol and I second that!
So did anyone else hear about Lindsy and Tommy getting a divorce?
ty, great work, as usual
Again thankyou Simon and Jan for all you have done and continue to do for all these babies..
sad that all of this is down to the fact that little Haleigh is gone because of the neglect by BOTH HER PARENTS,BY MISTY,BY FAMILY THAT PUT THEIR LOVE OF DRUGS BEFORE HER…
RON IS INNOCENT,MISTY IS INNOCENT YEAH….ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS GETTING THEIR NEXT HIGH..MAKES ME SICK..
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE..PRAYERS FOR HALEIGH.XXX.
Interesting tape..
She didn’t mean to say his name? It is right for her to leave Tommy. She should have done that years ago.
Smack the * out of Tom Croslin is what I’d do if I ever saw him hurt the dog.
Trotline,
Lindsy and Tom both have the attitude weed smoking doesn’t make him high.
No more ‘I love you’, I love you’ ‘I love you’!
You’re giving me a headache. You’re making my head hurt – LOL!
You give me a headache, I want a divorce!
Anyone with a bully breed dog know hitting them causes agression. I own a boxer, you never ever hit a bully breed dog. jmo
Too bad the pit didnt take Tommy out along time ago. jmo
Fortunately, Lindsy does seem kind enough not to hurt the dog when he acts out from separation anxiety (tearing garbage out when left alone). Who can blame him, pups don’t like being left alone – they want to be with their pack family 24/7.
Dogs like to run, so -yeah, of course he pulls her! LOL – my dog took me running, leaping over potholes, under trees, for 12 years!
Jason, I hope if the pit is male its fixed cause there is nothing worse than a frustrated male pit bull. Read what Ceasar MILLAN SAYS ABOUT THEM. Even Daddy was fixed. Could also be why its pulling her along while out walking , smelling for females in the area. Hope she finds a good home for the dog because I dont belive she is up to taking care of it and 3 kids. jmo
They call that a marriage? BUwahahahaha
Hello! there is a little girl missing, maybe dead!!! Not a single mention of her. geez
Tobias @ 4:33; yeah – too bad he didn’t. Doberman’s won’t put up with a person mistreating them once they reach age two (adolescence). They don’t forget or forgive mistreatment, and will get revenge.
Pit bulls are much more forgiving, and eager to please no matter how much they are abused. If Michael Vick abused a Doberman pup, the pup at around age 2 would have ripped him a new a-hole.
Is there anyone out there who for one second believes these lowlife, recycled, uneducated,drug-induced, rotten teeth,scum of the earth hillbillies, and their carbon copied kin, are in any way deserving of all of the attention their miserable, wasted existance on this planet has added up to? Yet, they are getting off on it!!!
One or more of them killed a child. The rest are to blame in lesser degrees. That is the truth. The police have it right. Put them in jail for other crimes, let them stew about 15 years, and the truth will come out.
Why? Because these people have nothing but their drugs, their sex lives, and their beer to call a life. They abuse their children simply by repeatedly breeding and bringing them into the world the parents live in, which was what their parents did, and their grandparents did, and so on.
Without the freedom to exist in that world, one or more of these locked up pucks will make a deal and talk.
They are nothing but recycled human trash, and those poor children, like Haleigh, have nothing more in life to look forward to than what these scum will provide, which is the same as what we have glimpsed into this past year.
Did you hear that idiot Tommy discussing how to train the dog? Let me rest my argument with that thought.
I cant believe Lindsy is letting Dustin visit with Misty. He really doesnt need to be subjected to seeing 2 family members behind bars.Phone calls okay but not the jail visits thats just not good. Lindsy had a lot of faith in Tommy and now she knows he lied to her and he was only concerned with protecting Misty and himself, not her and the kids, what a slap in the face. jmo
JVM is gonna be pissed at Lindsy for smacking the dog!
Tobias @ 4:46: I think you’re right. Lindsy has a houseful of children to care for, and the dog requires lots of exercise, care, and training. Does she need more responsibility? Can she handle it, or want to handle it?
Simon, I think in your document that you sent out.. your two bits of info that is truely brand new, involving the school and dcf, speaks volumns.
Something hit me after thinking about your comments. DCF had already investigated Ron for the allegations of child abuse, and now we learn the children had been drug tested before, that is a story within itself.. wish we had more details, of when and where and why.. But, the issue with the school struck home.. Ron must have had a conference with the school,not to long before Haleigh went missing.. In that conference, they addressed, the issue of absence from school, the tardy which apparently he was threatened with legal action if these elements did not stop, but now this new issue of Haleigh’s behavior being somewhat improper came out. Now, if this occurred after the dcf investigation, then Ron at the time of Haleigh gone missing, might well have been facing a new investigation with DCF, if it had not been addressed on Haleighs new behavior, I can assure you it was going to be!! Because, by law the school was required to report this to dcf.
I am wondering if by Chance, ron was facing more action from dcf or feared more action from DCF?? These things don’t just go away, they come back and back and back.. I wonder if Ron at the time was afraid he was going to lose Haleigh?? We know he was terrified of her being tardy or not in school!!!
BA, Lindsy didnt hit the dog, but it sounds like Tommy has often and yeah he is a POS for doing such a thing. jmo
Hi, Beautiful,
@ 4:55 pm: Do you mean Tommy? I ask because from what I heard on the tape, Lindsy has not hit the dog. She mentions treating the dog like she does her children (with compassion, kindness, gentle discipline).
Tom talks about hurting the dog.
If I were lindsy, I wouldn’t give a rattz butt about what JVM says and would care a whole lot more bout kicking tommys’ lyin butt to the curb and starting a new life with my children. JVM should be concerned about those kids FIRST!
My post @ 5:01: LOL – Lindsy didn’t SAY she treats her children with compassion, kindness, gentle discipline, but that is what I hear in her words to Tom about the dog.
mlee….Perhaps what you are saying lyes parallel with the comment he made about jr. that he would always be with him even if he had to go like that!!!
in other words..if Ron felt they were going to take haleigh away from him he would not let them..if he can’t have her nobody else will?
I can see that …totally. Ronald is a very selfish man and unstable to boot! I can see him justifying taking haleighs life so nobody else could have her..
the timeline of her acting out MEANS EVERYTHING!
Jason, I think Lindsy is telling about the dog so she can give him a reason for her to give it away. If she hasnt already. She has said she doesnt really want the dog but he insisted on her keeping HIS dog. It also shows that he has a problem with dicipline and I see him spanking the kids too. jmo
Controlling men murder women all the time that threaten to leave them..they kill them..have I seen anything in Rons behavior from day one that would lead to me believe he COULDN’T DO IT to his own daughter so nobody else could have her. She was a possession to him.
Tim Miller even said that Ron put a gun in his own mouth talking about what he would do to Misty if he found out she had anything to do with Haleigh going missing…RIGHT IN FRONT OF JR. Ronald is a con man..that alone does not tell me he was not acting to cover for himself..just like the night haleigh went missing. He says I’ll kill whoever stole her..another cover.. I say this because of his actions from day one to date…his fake whiny tears..for the camera..off camera he’s selling dope.
Misty nor Ronald has ever shown true grief to date. don’t tell me there’s no book on how to act..I don’t want to hear it!
Tobias, I agree. If he hits the dog, he hits the kids. IIRC, Lindsy has called police over his domestic violence.
there isn’t one thing you could do to a human being more painful and more life altering then losing a child. Ronald “at best” acts as if his dog has been hit by a car is lying in the ditch!
Yes you could really see the grief and tears streaming down his face as he was sitting in the car selling drugs
Jason..I disagree to an extent.. I have smacked my dogs butt and I have NEVER ever…SMACKED MY KIDS…in Tommys case, this may be different as there is drugs and violence (and little brain matter already in the home). So that part perhaps it’s safe to say that tommys diciplines his kids and dogs with the same fist..
Hey Jason and Tobias,
I thought he said to hit/smack it like him and she said I did. Since you both say she didn’t, I will retract it!! But JVM still will be pissed.
I saw it on the Flagler county jail records she had a domestic against him even before they were married. And failure to pay child support. Tommy in my mind is violent whether on drugs or off, he needs to control even while in jail.I still think he helped Misty though I dont think he did anything to Haleigh.
Misty could also have the same mentality for dicipline as Tommy since they are from the same background.jmo
I just listened again… she says she did!
Beautiful,
You may be right – I heard the over all jest of her words. She may have said that she already did – I’d have to re listen, but I don’t want to!
If you believe Lindsys time line Tommy was home with dinner cooked at 10 when she got home and the house clean to boot. If he was involved what ever happened it happened before the call from Ron. So if you believe GGSykes was there at 7-730 whatever took place happened from 730 to 9 giving
Tobias..about Misty …COULD VERY WELL BE! These two idiots were brought up the same way…are both self serving and both in jail for same thing. They might as well be twins…
This to me is part of the audios that were released this morning. Also, notice that Lindsey talks about the weather snow/freezing weather on the bridge on the way there that day. So, check the weather for Feb…and we should get an idea what day this was. I think she visits on Mondays and Tuesdays.
Lots of good info in this audio if you listen closely.
It also sounds as if LP is helping Lindsey get on her feet. Tommy tells her she need to apply for daycare and get back to work and not count on that guy. IMO, that guy is LP. She said it would not make sense to get a job now since she is going to MA.
Tommy also said that his lawyer is talking to the state about a deal. Lindsey mentions….boy if I could just say here now what I want to say to the world. So, maybe Tommy did crack? Lindsey is worried that they have another charge on Tommy as well. I think she is referring to the BE, he said Misty stayed at his house to. Sounds like he may point the finger at her. But if LE has finger prints…of only Tommy then he can’t point at just Misty.
Sounds to me that was before Tommy took his poly. Lindsey slips and says LP will be the one paying Tommy’s bond. Tommy feels LP only wants to do it for publicity, but he will go with it anyway.
Lindsey tells him…do you want to lose your lawyer. I wonder why should tell him that? Did Tommy’s lawyer say he would drop Tommy if he didn’t take the poly? Or Tommy’s lawyers is OK with LP being the one to pay for the poly but if he failed he would not represent him. I recall reading that Tommy’s lawyer said a few weeks ago he did not represent Tommy in the Haleigh case.
We still do not know if Tommy failed or passed…I know Art reported he failed, but I just don’t think LE would of searched that river if Tommy failed his poly. Maybe he failed a few questions…maybe trying to spare Misty.
So if Tommy’s lawyer dropped him in the Haleigh case,I wonder if LP got Tommy another attorney for the Haleigh case?
Or did he tell Tommy that if he did take LP deal he would not represent him in the Haleigh case and maybe that is the reason he dropped Tommy in the Haleigh case?
Tommy tells her he still wants to do that chit…but it sounds as if it is something else, not the poly. I wonder what Tommy is referring to? Lindsey says it would be fun to go. I wonder where they are planing on going?
Tommy keeps saying that if he dose not do what LP ask him to he will not pay his bond. Sound as if Tommy felt he was going to pass. I wonder if is dumb enough to think he can beat the poly.
Lindsey tells Tommy he needs to take the polygraph regardless.
Tommy seems to have issues with the what ever the conditions are with LP.
He says if that if taking a poly is his only way out of jail then he will do it. Sounds as if one of the conditions are that LP gets the transcripts of the poly and the results. Tommy said he doesn’t care he can have it.
Lindsey tells him that if he takes a poly and passes then it would be no strings attached…sounds as if they tried to give Tommy a poly through someone else before LP arranged for his poly.
Tommy talks about LP paying his bond to get out of jail if he passed the polygraph. He fears that LP will not bond his out after he takes his poly. He says that he doesn’t care if he is on an ankle bracelet, he just want to come home.
I found it interesting when Lindsey says to Tommy (If that happens will he still do it.)..I wonder if she is referring to the pass or fail issue. If he fails will LP still bond him out.
Something else of interest is when Tommy says after his poly his BOND is going to be so high, and he fears he will not get anyone to bond him out.
Lindsey tells him Misty has said that Tommy was drugged up the day Haleigh went missing. Tommy said that Misty didn’t even cook dinner? Did I hear that right? If so, what did GGMS see the kids eating outside in the dark in the cold at 7:30PM Feb 9th?
Tommy says that he had no pills the day Haleigh went missing and that is why he didn’t go to work that day. He also said that even if he did being doped up wouldn’t interfere with his memory.
Tommy tells Lindsey that he needs to it his way…
Lindsey talks about her friend buying her a top at Belles and Tommy comes out with a smart remark about her spending more money. Yet she had already told him that her friend bought it for her.
She tells him he needs to shave, I wonder if this audio goes along with the this one http://www.bloggernews.net/124451#comment-1611517.
Steve told Tommy and Lindsey not to discuss the poly over the phone. Yet they still did..or she brought it up anyway. Tommy just tells her that she knows what he wants her to do.
Lindsey tells Tommy it needs to be done before the 31st. Tommy told Lindsey that Steve told him that the detectives don’t tell people what kind of sentence they are going to get.
He said he still has not called Tim and them.
Tommy tells Lindsey: If I get out on bond you will gone. She needs to get him out before she leaves. So that means that this call was placed before Lindsey went to MA to visit with Timmy and Chelsea.
Jason, yes, she does say I did… but it don’t work (paraphrasing). She could have said she did just to shut him up and stop his berating. I don’t know… but, in my opinion Lindsy’s goody goodness is an act!
If you believe Lindsys time line Tommy was home with dinner cooked at 10 when she got home and the house clean to boot. She had better be telling the truth otherwise she is in big trouble with LE. JMO
Beautiful @ 5:26: I hope JVM condemns their behavior.
You’re worried about the dog? Umm, where is haleigh and what happened to her? Who cares about the freakin dog!
C~A, one thing that I do believe..
I do not think that Ron would intentionally harm either Haleigh or Junior.. So, please don’t try to put words into my mouth.. That is not the direction that I had even ever considered…
I made a comment several weeks ago, a what if situation.. That for whatever reason, any of the family members who actually had knowledge of Haleigh and what occurred, would they not step in, to protect a person who was innocent of Harming or Abducting Haleigh.. If that person or persons would stand up and tell the truth to prevent an innocent person from being charged or convicted….
And today, I realized maybe they already have, and we just didn’t catch on…
You don’t like the posts, then skip over them!
I would have just skipped over it, but some stupidity deserves a response. You can skip over this if you like.
You are not in my line of sight after this one.
mlee how long have you been following this case?
Beautiful,
I think Lindsy postures for the camera. Her YouTube channel exists to post video of herself and Tom at the jail.
Why add to the broadcasting of jail video? Why broadcast your husband is in jail? Isn’t it bad enough that the videos are posted elsewhere on YouTube and the Web?
Apparently not to Lindsy, as she created a channel April 14 for the purpose of re-posting the videos!
Whatever, take another pill
Melee has been here for as long as I can remember and that was from the start but I dont remember you. jmo
mlee said Ron must have had a conference with the school,not to long before Haleigh went missing.. In that conference, they addressed, the issue of absence from school, the tardy which apparently he was threatened with legal action if these elements did not stop, but now this new issue of Haleigh’s behavior being somewhat improper came out. Now, if this occurred after the dcf investigation, then Ron at the time of Haleigh gone missing, might well have been facing a new investigation with DCF, if it had not been addressed on Haleighs new behavior, I can assure you it was going to be!! Because, by law the school was required to report this to dcf.
I am wondering if by Chance, ron was facing more action from dcf or feared more action from DCF?? …
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I did NOT “try” to put words in your mouth. do you care to explain what you meant then..make your point perhaps a bit clearer on your intended meaning then?
Jason, it was said by a few that the youtube was a fake and that she complained to have it removed. As far as I know it’s still up… hmmmm!
tobias then you have not been around for very long. You guys are rude. Search my name from the main page. Sean McAllister
Ladies, if your husband was in jail and you were seeking a job in the nursing field, would you create a YouTube channel using your first name, followed by LPN, and then post jail house video of conversations between you and your drug trafficking husband?
Tommy is in a stressed out state of mind. He knows that he will lose Lyndsay and his lawyer if he doesn’t take the LDT. He, also, knows that he is not likely to pass a LDT, so he is really up against a wall.
Lyndsay has changed her attitude drastically from what it was, at first. Tommy doesn’t even want to hear or think about the problems Lyndsay may be having, alone with 3 kids and his dog. He just says,”It will be O.K.” Yeah, to him it will be O.K. She will work it out somehow, she always has.
I couldn’t help but laugh when Tommy said that he got a letter from his mom, and Lyndsay asked, “Could you read it?” He didn’t seem to think that was too funny.
@Jason… nope. And how is the patient doing?
Karon, I caught that too, wondered if she meant his reading skills were lacking or Lisa’s handwriting was chicken scratch.
I wont believe the divorce until it goes through, the reason is because She has tolerated this and so much more. She even takes his side when her family is against it, his drug use, domestic abuse, and several arrests.She is typical abused wife.jmo
Beautiful, I don’t think it is fake. Some people may be afraid to see it as belonging to her because her comments there don’t fit the ‘sweet’ person they first perceived her to be.
And I don’t give a rats azz if tommy and whatever her name is get a divorce. Has nothing to do with why I am here.
The only reason tommmy should be stressed out is if he is guilty…the only way to take that stress off and be a man is to tell the damn truth..THAT’S NOT STRESSFUL. Hiding and lying is…when are these guys gonna stop lying and start talking the truth. It will set him free..even if it means paying for his part in haleighs disappearance. GIVE IT UP!!! OWN UP! PAY UP!
Jason, I personally have doubts that it’s someone pretending to be her.
IT’S REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED!
Beautiful @ 5:56 pm: He’s doing very well, just a few minor issues with moisture in skin folds. THANKS for remembering, and asking!
Whatcha here for, Beast? To tell people they’re rude? To tell people to only talk about whatever it is you wish to talk about?
I’m glad!!
mlee…RONALD TELLS MISTY TO WHOOP HER the night haleigh went missing…Does THAT not mean HURT HER..WHOOP…THAT’S A BEATING IMO. If he can tell a “babysitter” to do that…imagine what RONALD CUMMINGS IS CAPABLE OF…..
Jason, no…BUt I think there are more important issues than the dog. And just being friendly with each other.
Oh and Jason who gives a hoot what JVM says about anything? You think that will be her Bombshell story tonight or something?
wow…doesn’t take much to get attacked here! I thought we were all here for Haleigh? Why be rude? I came in here on Friday night. I have not once had anyone say as much as a HELLO?
Why? I have been friendly and posting my opinion and all i get is a response telling me not to put words in “MLEES'” MOUTH…and I wasn’t trying to. Still no response as to what she really meant…but is it really TOO HARD TO BELIEVE that perhaps Ron did something to haleigh given his lack of participation in her search and more concerned with MISTY and drugs then finding his daughter?
I dont recall any mention of Ron running around screaming haleigh’s name looking for that night.
Hello C~A,
I don’t think Ron harmed HaLeigh directly, but I do feel that he knows what happened and that he had a hand in covering up.
Does anyone think the divorce will spark old Tommy into talking? And the sentence Hope got?
Thanks beautiful.. 🙂 I don’t know what to think about Ron. He could have lost it!
Ron isn’t quilty of killing his daughter, do you really think these low life’s would be covering for him? These people are low life’s and the only reason this case has received so much publicity is due to the Casey Anthony saga occuring not long before this. These are not the type of people that would cover for anyone unless they had something to gain from it. Look at the hints Misty has given the police over the last year implicating Tommy, if your sister did that to you would you continue talking to her? If these dirtbags had nothing to hide they would have distanced himself from his sister for making false accusation. I suspect he has come to the realization that his girlfriend and her family are responsible for Haleigh’s demise. So I guess he could be considered quilty for staying with her instead of choking the snot out of her until she came clean about his daughter. He is guilty of being stupid, doing drugs, being lazy, being a cradle robber and a few other things, but evidence doesn’t support that he is directly linked to Haleigh’s death, IMO. He probably shouldn’t have left the kids with the little ho after she was out screwing around on him all weekend but he did and he is going to have plenty of time to think about that BIG mistake and kick himself in the butt for doing that. Also he may be guilty of overlooking the fact that he was unable to locate her via phone all night long, knowing that she had been slutting and drugging it up over the weekend should have alerted him that he shouldn’t have ignored the inablity to locate her that night. Knowing his children were with her should have scared him enough to at least send someone from his own family over to make sure his children were ok. If I couldn’t contact my babysitter after several attempts I would be in panic mode but he isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer so…
I just keep hearing him saying to many questions..I DUNNO I WAS AT WORK!
Sorry but he should have been kicking himself for what he did from the time he found out Haleigh was gone. Not marry the person who was last with her and LE said was the key to her being gone. And definitly not out selling drugs with her when his son depended on him. jmo
C~A, you’re welcome
if they were all there…what ever happened..they would not be covering for Ron..they would be covering for themselves as well..because if they were there..and they ALL PANCICKED and got rid of haleigh..then THEY ARE ALL GUILTY.
It is possible …
commonsense. Yes and none of what we have heard that night follows anything like your name. If he could not get a hold of Misty all night would he stop at the gas station get smokes and A beer. 1 beer? I dont know it’s all bizarre.
The problem in this case with all these people
is since they hid everything so well its going to be so hard to prove who did what with out a confession. There is no body, no direct evidence that we know of that points to one person and what they did to her. I dont see how it could be solved just on one of these peoples word since they have all lied over and over. jmo
common sense: your right ..if ron made 90 plus calls or 5 and didn’t get misty when he knew she didn’t want to babysitt…when he knew she was coming down off a 3 day bender…WOULD HE GO TO THE STORE BEFORE HE WENT HOME? NO HE WOULD OF GONE HOME IF HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT KIDS…if he was NOT worried about the kids but perhaps worried about an alibi of NOT being home just prior to a 911 call…he might go to the store.
I want this case to be solved and Haleigh to have justice but if thats not going to happen I hope the ones in jail get the max,every one of them. jmo bbl
why didn’t misty call 911 right away..any innocent would …why wait till daddy gets home..cause he told her to? I would like to know the facts of his where abouts at work that night..proof that he was there the entire night..
and proof that haleigh was seen by more then just g ma of ronn boy that night as well. Can she even be believed that she saw haleigh at 7pm?
MISTY IS THE ONLY KNOWN AND PROVEN PERSON TO BE THE LAST TO SEE HALEIGH ALIVE..SHE NEEDS TO BE WATER BOARDED..SHE NEEDS GEN. POP…SHE NEEDS TO BE CRACKED..
Welcome C~A:
Things can get a little testy on this site, lately. We all get on edge about this case dragging out, and it comes out in testy ways, at times. We all try to meake up and start all over.
I didn’t think Ron told Misty to spank Haleiegh the night she went missing. Wasn’t that several weeks earlier that someone on Ron’s job over heard that conversation?
These new facts about Haleigh acting up at school, and Ron being under fire from the DCF, adds a few more motives in the mix. I am not saying that ron did this. It is just another element to look at.
Wonder why the Florida offender search shows Hank Sr as being on supervision since 04/27/2010 . Thought his sentencing was in May or is this for something else ?
Hello C~A !
Good job on the program, Simon. This was a good line-up with good topics.
Comment deleted because it was argumentative towards another blogger. Please try to get along with others in here.
Jan Barrett
MLEE…that’s the wonder of bloggin? What’s wrong with you? Why do you say that? Why can’t you just explain what you meant? Why are you so rude…so I may interprited your post the wrong way…is that reason to be an ignorant person? WTH…you need to chillax girlfriend.
Hi Carrie 🙂 ( carrie carrie? )
Hi Karon..and tks..just a little insight..I know how this sight can be..I was here way back when caylee went missing and have been away for about a year..WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE..but I do find this site a lot different then the BNN family I was a part of for a year and a half..I know these cases are tough but it doesn’t excuse being rude. Thanks for the shout out!
JMO…I didn’t say anything to mlee…to make her treat me like that…ya know..just not necessary! Makes no sense…why not explain what she really meant is all I am asking? My baad! Instead she chose to just dismiss me, i simply asked for the meaning of her post. Sorry if I was wrong…her post WAS VERY OPEN TO INTERPRETATION!
I heard that misty called ron cause haleigh was acting up with JR. on which movie to watch..so she said she put ( original story) haleigh in the bedroom and jr in the living room each with diff. movies…only after ron told her to whoop haleigh is she doesn’t behave! That was so long ago don’t remember if it was tv or internet. But it stuck with me that he said that to her cause misty was having a hard time with the kids.
sorry now that i think about it i remember it was haleigh in the living room and jr in the bedroom.
Do you know why I find such comedy in these blogs? It amazes me that you all correspond with each other, disecting each piece of evidence, video and recordings and trying to play out a scenario. Honestly, I’ve wondered if anyone is keeping a rolling log of all these posts. It could be a manuscript in the making…
diane…funny you say that..I suggested to jan and simon way back on the caylee case to print the blog from real life people on the case ..day to day…and give profits to Texas Eq. Search to help find missing people. It’s very very fascinating to read eachothers theories and thoughts. I’d buy it!
although I do NOT find any of it amusing or entertaining!
Hola Beast & C~A Long time no see. After reading all the mud slinging here, now I know why I left a year ago along with a lot of people. No-one knows what happened to Haleigh and there have been so may lies by the family memebers, that if anyone told the truth, I wouldn’t know what to believe. Hang in there. I just had to rant a bit.
I meant to say “no-one here or on any other blog knows what happened to Haleigh”
Hey Tori. No strange but true we are all still just guessing
I swear it’s just this Haleigh case. The whole problem is that threr are still people who continually defend and deflect for Ron….Many of the “facts” that we discuss/argue about daily are tainted facts to begin with. Ron’s statements or claims insisted to be FACTS…Hello…Ronald wouldn’t know a fact if it BIT him…he was at werk…
The gun fight never happened….OH yea…it did, Ron just wanted to lie about it. That is just one huge exapmle of how this has been made so convoluted and KEPT that way.
Misty’s lie counteracts with Ron’s…Ron’s lie counters Tommy’s…and infinity!!!!!
Yet these same people who INSISTED that Ron’s version is the truth (Think TM, Think gun fight, think Ron fishing with JO? Before or after their fight or the gun? SO much BS) still hold us to Ron’s facts….
People’s statements NOW mean NOTHING….only LE’s…Not TN, Not GGMS, NOt MIsty’s , Not Ron’s, Not Tommy’s, Not Timmy’s, NOt Lindsy’s, Not Chelsea’s, Not Lisa’s, Not Sr’s….NONE can be trusted…PERIOD!!!
hey tori…nice to see ya..it’s been a bit of rough re=enter but I love Haleigh…I have weathered a lot worse. Just a bit disappointed on the cold front of this bunch…with a few exceptions..you know who you are..and tks.
🙂
Light a candle for HaLeigh [hmc]
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Hmc
Holly you said it! And C~A you take care. I am out of here for now. I like to read Simon’s opinions and theories.
Only time will tell, or maybe not. 🙁
Hollys Gmom said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
I’m with ya!!
it used to be very friendly unless you were a complete moron.. then you got blasted…IMO for good reason. I will hang out for a bit…see where it goes. I am not interested in b.s. I want to know what happened to Haleigh and want JUSTICE..not ignorance or fighting. That’s very disrespectful of Haleigh. Would she want that? NO..remember haleighs smile before you post a comment that attacks someone .. 🙂
you take care as well Tori 🙂 see ya around..
CA WaterBoarded, liking that idea……
BRING ON THE ARRESTS THEN!!! Praying for an arrest..if not..THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS..
stilllucy..why should it be illegal? They can’t get an ounce of truth out of these people and it’s so obvious they are ALL lying..a child is likely dead…missing..WHY NOT? At this stage of the game…well it’s just that…A GAME…and a child’s life is either gone or at stake/ and so many of her family just don’t care about her. Only themselves and getting away with murder or their part in a cover. So sickening.
C~A said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 7:33 pm
C~A, that did not happen the night HaLeigh went missing. The person that Ron works with that claims he heard Ron tell Misty to “whoop” HaLeigh says he overheard that phone call weeks before HaLeigh went missing (as reported to Art Harris). You can find that this was several weeks prior on Art’s website, not the night HaLeigh went missing. That night, Ron and Misty had an argument around 8:30 and then there was no further phone contact.
CA: You mentioned little HaLeigh’s smile, I loved the Christmas video. She was loving it. Ron didn’t deserve to have HaLeigh in his life nor did anyone that was “helping” him raise his children. I don’t care how or why PCSD busted that bunch on drug charges and I just hope that Judge throws them in the klink for a very very long time because at this point this may be the only way little HaLeigh will get any kind of justice. One of those morons will crack sooner or later.
stilllucy…A SMILE AS BIG AS TEXAS…freakin kills me..that smile brings tears to my eyes. It’s so innocent..so beautiful and who is there for her…NOBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AT LEAST NOBODY IN HER OWN FAMILY..I hate the christmas video…I hate caylee singing you are my sunshine..I can hardly handle the still pics. I avoided caylees sunshine singing for as long as I could. Saw them all talking about it on here…I REFUSED TO WATCH IT…then ng played it one night and well, I saw it!!! I don’t like the vids.. my heart can’t take it! but as far as her beauty..OMG..her happiness..at least she had it for a while.. 🙁 I just don’t like it..to see it knowing what might of happened. Vids are too real..whatever…sorry for the rant.
C~A said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 8:11 pm it used to be very friendly unless you were a complete moron.. then you got blasted…IMO for good reason. I will hang out for a bit…see where it goes. I am not interested in b.s. I want to know what happened to Haleigh and want JUSTICE..not ignorance or fighting. That’s very disrespectful of Haleigh. Would she want that? NO..remember haleighs smile before you post a comment that attacks someone ..
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You have to understand who MLEE is, she is one of Teresa Neves “gals” as she calls them, she was out there on the net and twitter stating Crystal took HaLeigh and that she was getting info from LE to help her move HaLeigh around. She will do anything to defend Ron. Just go to twitter and look at Haleighsmyheart (aka Teresa Neves) and look at her followers list. That will give you a bit of insight as to her frame of mind.
Insane isn’t it?
Thanks so much for these audios,,,yes it does give insight into their lives and how they are dealing with Tommy in jail……I hope there are many more videos…Thanks again for these..
just one said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 8:47 pm
I just looked at that twitter that you said belongs to TN. I do not see Mlee’s twitter following her. So what exactly is your point? Fail.
just one..thanks for the insight. If she is ( and I don’t doubt you) who you say she is..she isn’t doing a very good job at convincing people of SWQAUT..and still I question…what was her post supposed to mean…about ron being worried about dcf etc…is she saying then that if ron didn’t hurt haleigh then he HID HER? And all of the minions are taking the heat for him cause haleigh is alive somewhere…YA OK MLEE! That’s the only other thing your post could have meant.
Well that explains alot. A member of the liars club. The must be testing the Jury pool.
Frustration said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm just one said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 8:47 pm
I just looked at that twitter that you said belongs to TN. I do not see Mlee’s twitter following her. So what exactly is your point? Fail.
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Oh seriously do you think she uses her name? She along with about another 14 or so, are her loyal minions that spread whaterver she puts out there. She also (MLEE) changes her twitter name. Maybe she has stopped following her for a moment, but she is and has been one of her “gals” spreading the absurd theory that Crystal took HaLeigh and has been able to hide her for almost 15 months.
If you can’t figure out my point about TN’s minions, I’m not going to waste my time trying to explain it.
C~A said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 9:00 pm just one..thanks for the insight. If she is ( and I don’t doubt you) who you say she is..she isn’t doing a very good job at convincing people of SWQAUT..and still I question…what was her post supposed to mean…about ron being worried about dcf etc…is she saying then that if ron didn’t hurt haleigh then he HID HER? And all of the minions are taking the heat for him cause haleigh is alive somewhere…YA OK MLEE! That’s the only other thing your post could have meant.
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I do too, her post about putting words in her mouth was crazy and I understood your question to her, I missed what she stated that was deleted but you’d have to go back thru her many post on many sites to try and understand her theories which IMO are “out there”.
Lindsy filing for divorce because she wants a smooth-shaven man?
Is that a valid reason? Couldn’t she just shave him while he’s sleeping when he get’s back in her ‘big ole bed’ in 3 years or more?
Talk about vanity! Yikes – her entire YouTube page is filled with pics and videos – of herself!
Her post an hour ago: “I feel ignored, betrayed, and unloved”.
Lyrics of song she has playing: Why do you act so stupid – you know that I’m always right!
LOL!
Lindsy and Chelsea were both horribly disrespectful to Flora Hollars. Lindsy posted on a YouTube page that Flora is a ‘borderline retard’, and referred to her as ‘Hollar and Scream’ when Flora told what she heard happened to Haleigh.
Chelsea called into the NG show solely to DIS-CREDIT Flora Hollars, even called her a liar on national television.
Hey, Lindsy! If any one is a ‘borderline ___, it is you, not Flora Hollars.
Interesting that Tommy says “he didn’t have no fucking pills that day and that’s why he didn’t go to work” …he laid around all day (high on weed I guess).
So, seems that pills was his usual morning breakfast waker upper to be able to go to work. Seems to me he would of needed them for the next day though (esp. if he is addicted to them or needs them to function), so also makes sense to me that he would of been out getting some that night somewhere….right?
tobias said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 5:37 pm
If you believe Lindsys time line Tommy was home with dinner cooked at 10 when she got home and the house clean to boot. She had better be telling the truth otherwise she is in big trouble with LE. JMO
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It sounded to me like Lindsy was reminding Tommy what the story to LE was. I dont think she could stand to think of her husband having any involvement and was still in denial.
The conversation sounded very forced, very deliberate.
Jason said,in May 2nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm Talk about vanity! Yikes – her entire YouTube page is filled with pics and videos – of herself!
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There is speculation as to whether that is really Lindseys Youtube page. Some think it is and others think it is a hoax.
Why have misty and tommy failed numerous poly’s?
Just doesn’t make sense if they knew nothing.
With regards to following stories about your family in such a high profile case, you know they are out there. Just trying to set certain things straight, as they see it, because they want to help whoever they know or are related to. Sounds like a normal move.
So, will someone please listen to the tape again and around 7 minutes on the timer…go to about 7:25 and hear where Lindsey puts out the “alibi” for Tommy that night. Does she or does she not seem to be listing stuff out and then at the end, raise her voice in a question type manner? It sounds like she says to me:
“Yeah, not even that. You wouldn’t of had the house clean, the dinner cooked, and sat and watched Tv with me till we went to bed???” He then responds “I dunno know”. Then she says “You know what I mean, like, you would of been passed out.” When I come home, you would of been like, good, now I can pass out”.
Ok, so to me, she is leading Tommy here to let him know what she has told the cops what happened that night. Only funny part is, she says Tommy “watched TV with her until they went to bed”, yet the next sentence, she says when she come home he would be glad because then he could pass out”.
So which is it? Was he home watching tv with her till they went to bed? Or was he there with the kids waiting for her to get home so he could pass out?
Will someone listen to it again and tell me if this is what is said?
Also, I think he changed the subject real quick and says “She aint had no fucking pills that day”(talking about Misty?)that’s why I didn’t go to work. Thats why I was laying around all fucking day that day”.
Hopefully LE knows if Lyndsey was gone that night and Tommy had been waiting for her to get home. So, did he pass out or go out to get the pills (maybe from folks at the Party where Misty and Nay Nay were?) surely he wouldn’t be able to go another day without the pills and miss work again…he had to have some. I think this shows he had a tolerance built up and he needed more and more to be able to function for the day to be able to work. He was out that night to get those pills…no doubt in my mind. And he probably couldn’t leave the kids alone and had to wait for Lyndsy to get home! So, did he go over to Timmy’s and take his own van to go to the party to get some? Is that when he saw Misty, got mad and asked who was with the kids? Or, did Misty tell Tommy to come watch the kids and she would go with Nay Nay and get him some pills? Did Tommy get irritated and go into some withdrawals and something happened with Haleigh? Why does Tommy stress the fact that “even if he is high on drugs, he remembers everything he does”? Could it be that Misty thinks he did something to Haleigh and doesn’t remember?
I haven’t heard this theory anywhere before, but I just thought of it while hearing that part of the tape over and over. Lyndsy is certainly trying to get her lie straight with his…no doubt in my mind over that either. You can tell.
JenM, excellent questions and imput…
Here’s an example of TN’s “gals”
Last April/May Tobias and I, maybe others were discussing the fight that was told about Ron & JO over JO stealing Ron’s gun.
Suddenly the “correction crew” swoops in to insist that that fight never happened! Ron SAID SO!
Now, we’re not ones to go down with out a fight (sorry, been pushed around too much in the first 40 yrs, not gonna happen anymore) SO we continue to try to discuss it.
Then the personal attacks start…they continue until one or both of us give up and walk away OR we refuse to believe Ron’s version and argue back.
This particular forum has been very “controlled” by this group of “gals”. Anything posted negative about Ron will (or at least did) bring LOADS of trouble.
T and I, and others have persevered, kept claiming our right to our own opinions and here we are.
They will insist you are not stating fact, not stating facts correctly, you are out-right lying to hurt Ron, you must work for Marie Griffis/Crystal/Team Sheffield, they will insist that Ron’s word is gospel, they insist that TN & GGMS are above reproach of any sort even for enabling ROn to be such as he is. They will post negative things about Crystal rather then truely defend Ron, they will defend Ron and justify his actions no matter what he has done or is accussed of…the list is nearly endless.
….and that is the group I think should be ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES!
Hello everyone!
It’s possible that Nay Nay was the one that Tommy relied on to get him the pills? He doesn’t really say a name, just “she” as the one who didn’t have any pills that day. I suspect they are ‘amphetamines’ or ‘methamphetamines’. They are very addicting and are what would of kept him going for the day so he could work. Otherwise, he was stoned on weed and wanted to lay around.
It remains very possible that Tommy and Joe went over to Misty’s that night and was waiting for her and Nay Nay to get back with the pills. They came back, higher than a kite, gave them the pills and then Misty passed out on the bed. (Meanwhile, maybe, sex offender Joe, unlocked the back door so he could get back in that night to look for a gun, while Ron was at work). Him and Tommy left (I think after Tommy might of been with Nay Nay?). Then Joe came back in the van and saw an opportunity to take Haleigh. Misty woke up and paniked. Called Timmy for what to do.
OR
Maybe it was just Tommy there waiting for Misty, he got the pills and left. In his high state of mind, he did something to Haleigh while Misty was passed out and then made it look like an abduction with the back door brick? He very adamantly insisted that “he remembers everything he does while high”! Tell me who says that sort of thing, unless there is something being said about it or they are being accused?” (Whoever drove the van that night was possibly high, as it was scratched down the side, etc.)
For Misty, it is possible that one part of her mind wants to protect her family and protect them from Ron harming them, if she thinks they did something. She feels loyalty to them. Yet, on the other hand, she feels overwhelming guilt for being gone that night and not knowing what really happened while she was gone and passed out.
GMom…its your opinion and you are entitled to it just as everyone else is here. People who fight w/ others over opinions are nothing nore than control freaks, trying to force their views on others.
And I am not only speaking of the “Team Ron” posters, I am speaking of every one who argues w/ someone over their opinion.
Some just need to accept the fact they can’t control the world’s opinions, as much as they wish they could :o)
Post away with all your opinions and be proud they can’t control you!
Well, I think that it is their opinion that Ron didn’t do it, the same as some people say he did do it. It doesn’t matter. It works both ways, no matter what is said about Crystal or whoever. I don’t think I would give it that much energy or attention really.
Hi Hope!
Just One:
I just checked my twitter…6 of her 16 also follow me…I bet they’re glad I haven’t had much to say lately.
On second thought…I just tweeted some highlights from Levi’s show…ut oh!
Has Ron been polygraphed during all of this?
Hey, in response to where Tommy and Lyndsy could be going….I heard him mention “if I went to California”….
She says she thinks it would be fun to go, but doesn’t say where…
But it seems that maybe LP made him the same deal he made Misty. Tell me who did it and I will relocate you and your family under a different name in California under the witness protection program. Remember Misty telling everyone that?
I think we have another situation of an attorney who is gonna drop support of Tommy if he listens to LP. This is the same exact scenario that Misty went through. These people don’t remember or learn to well.
I agree about should give it attention but the problem is that we have been unable to sort through to find the facts because the facts keep changing…LOL!
The tit-for-tat is bad on either side. What is frustrating is that Ron/TN/GGMS words are to be taken as gospel…period, the end, no discussion. If Ron said it didn’t happen then it just didn’t type thing.
SO now, finally, we are able to discern, for sure, that there had been a gun stolen and a rift between JO & Ron. Why did it have to take months to finally be revealed? Not to mention the attacks on Cobra when recently much of what he claimed was proven to be true. Akkk! Now that we have that one little detail ironed out- (fight/gun) maybe we can clear things up some….but no….it only causes more questions like:
Why wouldn’t Ron come clean about JO/gun/arguement/suspicions to LE & public that 1st night?
WHy deny the rift with JO? Never happened, he insisted. WHY? If suspicious of him why not throw that bone to LE immediately. If he did, why not publicly?
Ron wanted to crush his hands for taking his “piece” but not even a verbal confrontation for his daughter?
Bus stop tangled mess another great example. TJ says Shallot (sp?) said in interview that Ron picked her up from bus stop. Today TJ mentions that while that is what he said, it did not make it absolute truth. There could be any multitidue of answers as to why he would say so if not the truth. Maybe Ron did pick her up after school. Why would J Santos state otherwise? Bus driver? Other parents? SO maybe both are there, Ron and Misty riding with Chelsea. I believe in J Santo’s statement(s) he says Misty was talking to another female in the van. Back then we thought maybe Nay-Nay but alas it was Chelsea…but we have been screamed at for months that Ron picked her up, LE said so!….But Misty & Chelsea were there too….So if Chelsea was in the van with Misty she is the one Misty was talking to about the “bad batch” they had gotten the night before. If Misty was in the van with Chelsea she could have slapped Jr prior to Ron & Haleigh’s arrival. Either Misty or Chelsea one. Since Chelsea has daughters and not sons, I would say Misty smacked Jr.
SO the question still remains :
Why did Ron tell Cobra he took his daughter to the bus stop that morning and picked her up at the bus stop that afternoon…..
when the OFFICIAL story has been that they overslept from up talking/bickering all night and had to rush to Welatka to get Haleigh’s favorite outfit then rush her to school where Misty walks her into her classroom?
Which one is it? Wa Haleigh late for school that morning? LE surely knows but do we? Beyond taking a family member’s word for it…
We have been told that Haleigh’s school had some issues with Ron in regard to absences and tardies. With the over sleeping and rushing around I can believe multiple tardies, no problem…Maybe even absences. I’ve seen parents let kids stay home from school rather then take the time to take them or shame about being late…again.
Were there other issues surrounding Haleigh and school? Our host Simon seems to think/believe there was.
So how exactly did Haleigh get to school that morning?
That’s what so frustrating. We can’t even nail down the simplest of facts.
What time did Haleigh’s bus arrive at bus stop? Anybody know exactly? Next question…what time did Ron have to be at work or say he had to be at work?
Going to look….
JenM, according to NG last week, LP already dropped Tom and is interested in bailing Ron out.
Ok I found this post in regard to the time frame of bus stop and ROn’s work time.
SM post by Rana Feb 28 2009
Ron’s mother said he works from 3 pm to 3 am. Haleigh got out of school about 3 pm, her bus didn’t get to the stop until about 3:30 pm or so. It takes Ron about 25 minutes or so to get to work. If he did pick Haleigh up from the bus stop and took her home, then checked the door, blah blah, and scrammed to work, he likely got there around 4 pm or so. So he was about an hour late that day. When LE reported that yes Ron was spotted at work that day, they didn’t mention oh yeah he was about an hour late. Sooooooo.. Could he have been MORE than an hour late? And etc…
My point exactly…either Ron was late for work that day or he didn’t pick up Haleigh from the bus stop. Locals say Ron was not only late…but drunk too. (Rumor as it is unsubstantiated, only talk from co-workers & locals)
Jason;
Yea, that’s the ruomr…LP seeking to bail ROn out…only just as he was about to LE stepped up and said “No…not yet”.
What is with the 3s?
Haleigh bus stop 3:00
Ron to work 3:00
Haleigh missing 3:00
(Not exact times but interesting the hour)
Holly, if he’s telling the truth about her sitting in his lap, using the turn signals, etc. – then it doesn’t seem he was in a rush to get her home so he could get to work on time.
Seems to me that a child play driving a car would make the driver go slower than usual.
Holly, Peter Hyatt’s 3’s!
hgm – there’s 10 as well…10pm misty went to bed…10pm tommy went to the trailer. It’s easier to keep up with the lies if they are one in the same!
Don’t forget the 5’s. Tommy and the A/c man was said to be there at the mh @5pm along with Tommys children. They were suppose to be outside playing and Haleigh popping wheelies on her bike.
You know over on Arts article it says that Ron said he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop @2:30pm. That is impossible because Haleighs school does not let out until 2:45pm. I saw that on another persons post about the school time so I decided to call myself. The time is correct for Haleigh getting out of school. Teresa Neves herself said that Haleigh did not get off the bus until 3:30pm.
Does anyone know if the AC man seen Haleigh? Misty said they were out in the yard playing – did anyone see Haliegh out in the yard playing? Just wondering?
pezzu not to my knowledge. Right now it seems the only ones that is saying they saw her that afternoon are a Croslinand a Sykes. The aunt Lisa is mentioned to have been there with Annette Sykes, but we have not seen nor heard from her directly.
What a sick couple these two are!!!
Tommy a whiner and Lindsey fed up and still he moans about getting out. What the hell is the matter with her? Dump this trash….stop the I love you’s and dump him.
No doubt in my mind their kids will turn out just like him…..future druggies in the making.
If it were me…..I’d let his butt rot in jail and let Mr. Smarty figure out how he can get out……
Lindsey even says..”look where your at when you make your own decisions”…
Sure wish I could figure out why they are failing poly’s if they had nothing to do with her vanishing that night.
No one seems to have a good theory on that.
I have a freind who leaves work everyday to go pick her son up from school and drive him home and then hustles back to work. Her boss lets her do it and use the time as her lunch hour. It is done at 3:30 and she gets back to work at 4:00 and stays till 5. Then leaves work. So, it is possible that Ron’s boss lets him or he does it without them knowing, because Misty can’t drive. But why do that at all? Why not just let Chelsea pick up the kids when she gets hers from the bus stop?
Again, I think it is highly possible that someone at Ron’s work vouched for him that night, knowing he needed to go see about his kids or where Misty was. And then he got back to work.
Since, according to Tommy, “she ain’t had no pills that day”, maybe Ron kept calling Misty because she was supposed to have the pills by a certain time for him to pick up and that’s why he kept calling her. Maybe the fight they had was over ‘no pills’? Maybe Joe was supposed to bring the supply of pills in exchange for the gun. Since no gun, no pills! So, maybe the fight with Joe was due to that exchange?
Or, it could be that Ron was tired of Misty and her drug use. She had promised Joe a gun in exchange for pills (that everyone needed so bad). He came over asking for it, Ron said no and they got in an argument. Ron told Misty to get off the drugs and watch the kids. She got mad, turned off her phone and went out to get the pills with Nay Nay. Joe took advantage of the situation (with Haleigh), propped the back door open and split town, feeling well justified. Misty came home, and found Haleigh gone. Panicked and called Timmy.
Again, there are so many scenarios that it isn’t even funny.
But from what I’ve learned by reading about voice analysis, etc. People usually throw the truth in there somewhere. I think that Tommy threw the truth in there about ‘someone not having a supply of pills he needed that day’ and he wasn’t able to function to get to work. I think that is a truthful statement! I also think that addicts will do whatever it takes to get that medication. They were all addicts from what I can tell.
On the tape od Tommy and his wife, I dont think he meant BEAT the dog, everyone is taking every single little word, he or she says and making something large out of it. I dont think Tommy killed Haleigh. I think it has something to do with RON. And evryone is sooo scared and manipulated by him for one reason or another. They were all addicted to pain pills..their are soo many lies, noone is being 100% truthful, because they are all involved in SOME way. Exactly what TIME..did Ron get to work? Did he EVER LEAVE? What time did he get OUT? Did he actually stay OVERTIME? If so..why? when Misty was not answering his phone calls, and she didnt want to babysit that night, wouldnt he be alarmed when she didnt answer? And did any NEIGHBORS SEE HALEIGH THAT DAY? anyone at all see her, BESIDES her relatives? What was the LAST time she was SEEN? Rons behavior, is way too bizazare on every show, any normal person when they returned from work to hear their daughter was missing would be outside running door to door looking behind the house in the woods in the water EVERYWHERE, yelling her name and going CRAZZY. Not just blaming someone for taking her, and then saying he is going to shoot the person, but yet never does ANYTHING>
Yes, bizarre behavior. But addicts can ‘rationalize’ anything when it comes to drugs they are addicted to.
Logic to them (and possibly gang related mentallity) is not the same logic or thought process most of us might have. If you are an addict, you don’t think rationally or logically. That’s when you are in your ‘normal’ state of mind, but when ‘high’ or ‘coming down’ from drugs, the thinking can be even more bizarre. These drugs can cause Psychosis with hallucinations, etc.. They cause a person to not be able to distinguish reality from fantasy. I think this is one thing to keep in mind when trying to figure out what happened.
I think Tommy is just like Misty they only worry about themselves. Tommy never worries about his Children. He is always like don’t spend money save it for me. This whole bunch makes me sick.
Both brother and sister(mc and tc) keep failing poly’s.
I wonder why?
Although its not admissable in court, it does seem strange to me that they both fail if they are innocent.
Jason said,
in May 2nd, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Lindsy filing for divorce because she wants a smooth-shaven man?
Is that a valid reason? Couldn’t she just shave him while he’s sleeping when he get’s back in her ‘big ole bed’ in 3 years or more?
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LOL! I was thinking to myself… with all of his appearance issues… THE BEARD IS THE DEAL BREAKER??? Whatever. 😉
gina said,
in May 3rd, 2010 at 9:23 am
On the tape od Tommy and his wife, I dont think he meant BEAT the dog, everyone is taking every single little word, he or she says and making something large out of it.
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You mean like hit the dog with whatever you have in your hand? Like a stick, a brick, a wrench? Not just smack it… that wouldn’t be quite enough… smack the s*** out of it.
Okay.
jaba, innocent people can easily fail polygraphs. That is one of the reasons that they are not admissible in court. People who are by nature excitable or jumpy or nervous have a hard time passing polygraphs, although the results are usually reported as “inconclusive.”
Also, polygraphs detect changes in physiology associated with strong emotion. The strong emotion can be due to lying but it can also be due to anxiety or nervousness.
But it has been pointed out here several times, IIR, that Jessica Lundsford’s grandfather failed a poly and was the main suspect for quite a while.
On the tape, Tommy seems to be trying to convince himself of his willingness to take the poly. He seems to have a symptom of illness where he believes in magical thinking. I beleive he thinks if he convinces himself he did nothing wrong over and over, then his mind will believe it and he will pass the poly.
I bet he was shocked when it didn’t work. I think Lyndsy is pissed that she covered for him saying that he was home all night and then he went and said he went over to Misty’s to check on the kids. Which was a lie. I think Lyndsy knew darn well he went out looking for his ‘pills’ that night so he could get to work the next day and function. He has blown her coverup lie now! I think she realizes that he is so messed up in the head that he has no judgement and that she will go right down the tubes with him if she sticks around. I bet when the divorce is over, she packs it up and heads to Chelsea and Timmys to stay. I bet also that she suspects that Tommy got higher than a kite that night and is the one that did something to Haleigh while Misty was passed out, or she at least suspects it! I think that is why he was insistant on her agreeing with him that “he knows what he is doing when he is high on pills”. I think that is his truthful thought to what he knows she suspects happened that night. He is trying to convince her and she isn’t buying it. That’s why she ended her sentence in a question on the tape! I think Lyndsy also knows Tommy well enough to know that he doesn’t remember the half of what he does when he is high! I also think Lyndsy can tell there is a good possibility that Tommy did this and doesn’t remember or paniked. I think Misty suspected him too and still does, but he has convinced her it was Joe. Just another theory.
Lyndsy tried to tell Tommy several times that it just wasn’t about ‘taking’ the poly to get out, but that he had to ‘pass it’. He would not listen to her. This is where she got the headache trying to make sense to him!
So, does anyone else think it is odd that since he failed it and the river search took place that everything has been hush hush? I have a feeling that LE are getting the full story from him, verifying it and all that, before they go public. I think they are tired of media interference twisting up the facts.
So as low as the statistics probably are that innocents fail polys because of something out of the vast norm, two different people in the same case keep failing polys. Wonder what the odds are?
True everything has gone so quiet since the ramp search. Very interesting since Hope was sentenced to 15 years and Rons lawyer or any family members havent said one word. Not a peep. GGSykes didnt even address it on NG when she was on with G Hollars. jmo
And, I imagine that tc or mc are getting different questions during the different polys. Wouldn’t think that LE would keep asking the same questions, everytime, having them fail, and doing that multiple times.
Whatever story they are telling, its not backed up, on either one, as to being truthful during a poly.
Ron apparently worked from five o’clock on the 9th of Feb. until three in the morning.
It is reported he was fifteen minutes early to work but did not clock in for some reason which is considered odd.
He was supposed to be off at one o’clock, but took the two extra hours of overtime.
It is like pulling teeth, in my opinion, to actually get Ron’s time line.
I wonder why Grace, who can be so nasty and abusive about what she considers ‘important’ details, didn’t actually get Ron’s time line.
If the 911 came in at 3:27 a.m. – when Ron got home, after going to a convenience shop, it would mean that he would have had to leave work at about quarter or ten to three. So who knows what time he left work – did he leave early enough to clean up the trailer and then go to the convenience store to make an alibi and time so that it looked like he just came from work.
And, it is said he was on the back 40 and says himself he made 90 phone calls. What supervisor lets an employee use the phone for 90 calls?
Ron’s actions have to be looked at, very carefully. Only at that time can I, personally, rule this man in or out. A year later he and his actions are not known.
My opinion only.
Ann
I still think it is possible that Ron is a snitch and that he was in on the drug bust of Misty and Tommy. I think it is possible that he tried marrying her to get her to talk, but she wouldn’t. I think it is possible he wants to know so bad what happened to Haleigh, that he sold his soul to LE….befriend Misty again and start dealing some drugs and pull a sting operation to get her and Tommy in the slammer so we can question them or interrogate them.
It is so odd that Ron is not on camera. Ron is not on jail house tapes. Ron’s family isn’t talking about him or to him. Funny how the people (suppliers) weren’t busted in the drug bust…hmmm. Doesn’t that make you wonder? I think they would of really clammed up if they knew Ron was part of the game to get them in jail to force them to tell something. Seemed there was no other way. Once they catch the person, all will change. Ron said he doesn’t care who it is, they are going down for whatever happened to Haleigh. Maybe he wanted to beleive them at first, but over the year, he has learned that Misty lied and lied and lied and now Tommy is too. Just a theory.
So 9 calls per hour or 1 every 6 and half minutes. And you know some of those were right in a row, not spread out. As nuch as people look at their phones these days, I’m not sure a supervisor would have caught it or if they did thought it warranted contact with the employee.
Ron was in scramble mode for some reason that night.
Maybe he was worried about the kids with all the calls, that’s plausible.
Surely Misty knows that Tommy failed the poly! I think the cops are busy piecing this together and getting each one to give a little more info. Maybe even sweetening the pot by making plea bargins with them both.
I think Hank Sr telling Tommy (Misty is going to tell you she loves you through the bars tonight so listen…) that this is a signal between the two of them to keep quiet about what they know and to keep the family loyalty. Hank Sr says “I can’t lose you both”. Does that mean, one of them better fess up and take all the blame for themselves and the other?
Tommy also keeps trying to convince us that his life is much more important than Misty’s as he has a wife and kids (she has none of the above). He is willing to do whatever to get out. He doesn’t care if Misty stays in there or not, unless he can convince us all that Joe did it and get them both out. Otherwise, its all about him!
Haven’t heard Ron whining that he wants out. Maybe because he knows he will get out when this is over for helping get confessions out of Misty and Tommy??? Highly possible theory.
Maybe LE doesn’t want LP to bail him out because it would ruin their plan…”not yet” is what I heard they said to LP. Maybe they want Misty to think her man is suffering there in jail because of her? Maybe that will get her to talk.
Also, Misty may feel she will be punished for telling on Tommy. Look what happened in the past when she told on him for what he did to her. She was blamed and punished. (I believe it is true that she was sexually abused as a child, which is why these statements make sense). Add 6th grade dropout, prostitution, drugs and a low self esteem…hmmm, maybe even throw in a threat or two from her brother and a fear of the immediate and close family disowning her if she tells and has him locked away. Maybe she is afraid they won’t believe her and will want to blame her. Seems the media has focused on her and confirmed her fears of being blamed since the beginning. TS was good therapy for Misty, tried to love, trust and believe in her more than her own family ever did! Again, all just my opinions.
JenM,
What blew that theory away for me was when he told Misty not to tell anything to Donna, once Time Miller told him she was planted.
Also Ronald is the career drug seller. Usually, and not usually, it is the law, that a snitch does not engage himself/herself in the criminal behavior they are embedded with.
Ronald has requested, oddly for me, the day he officially heard that perhaps making funeral arrangements for Haleigh should be begun, that he be placed in general population.
Police snitches do not go into general population.
Also, my thoughts are that would be a much easier path for him to send message of fear to both Tommy and Misty to stop talking.
And, one more thing, you have remember that Misty was only sixteen, probably younger, when she got ensnarled in this creep’s preverted life. She does not have the ‘criminal experience’ that Ronald has and is certainly not as street smart.
Ronald also had his mother’s guidance on how to misstep justice, in my opinion.
My feelings are they report something like 44 sex offenders in that area. However, under Haleigh’s own roof was her own father, a sex offender under Florida Statute 794.05. Again, because he wasn’t charged is a mystery – same mystery as to why this man was a free man who never had to pay for his crimes.
My opinions only.
Ann
Jaba,
Pat Brown made an excellent observation – if one calls home twenty times and they don’t know where their children are – then the natural response would be to call 911 to do a well check.
He could also have left work to check on them at home. If he could make 90 phone calls it would seem it would take only about an hour for him to go home and back.
Did he go home from the Back 40 where he may well have been working alone? Don’t know.
Again, my opinions only.
Ann
I have brought this up numerous times and no one responds. Some phones have an automatic redial where you can set it to redial a number over and over. That being said if Ron used this method to call Misty he could have also left his phone at work to continue dialing making it appear that he never left work. Don’t know if he is that swift or if he never left work and just had the phone redialing.
maryd – wow, what a thought!
They are so silent as to the cell pings. Heard only two pings came off the cell tower near his work. Again, don’t know.
Great thought – and perhaps that is why he couldn’t find the phone at 3:27 when he is yelling as to where his phone was!
My opinions only
Ann
Thanks for responding Ann. I guess LE would know if Misty called his phone as he drove up to the house, if he in fact answered it. If not maybe he forgot it at work. Hmmm?
Another thing is when i listened to the interview (AH)had with “WBG” he says that last time he heard from Misty was Monday morning she called him when she was at the hospital with her father. Now he may have been confused and it was Sunday, but it sure doesn’t fit in with Misty’s account of Monday morning.
Last but not least, does anyone know what kind of car Lindsey drove to school?
Ann, good points. I agree if he is a snitch, he doesn’t engage in the activity. But I think it might of been more of a set up (a sting) by LE to catch Misty.
Im thinking about the drug bust itself and how the guy driving acted like he was wanting the drugs and drove them around. Its possible that Ron was connected somehow with all of that. Seems Ron wanted to have Misty ride up in the front seat with him, etc. I don’t know, its just a theory.
As far as Ron asking to go into gen pop, that also could of been a cover. Maybe some people were getting suspicious that he was being treated so special?? I don’t know that he ever went into gen pop though. I wouldn’t doubt that snitches are all over gen pop to see what they can find out, so not sure about them never being there.
There seems to be a lot of questions surrounding where they are all located or where they may move to. I think it was Ron that made the comment that the girls in gen pop would harm Misty if she was in there. Tommy may of said the same thing. However, my thoughts are, if Ron was told to arrange a funeral, he is gonna go nuts sitting alone. He would want in gen pop to find out what he could from anyone who might know something about Haleigh or what happened.
Also, something about Misty…when she is in front of the cameras, she puts on the dumb stupid face and says “I dunno”, alot! But, when she was in that car, dealing those drugs, she looked and acted like a whole different personality to me. Not sure about street smarts with any of them! None of them seem that bright, really, in street smarts, common sense or good judgment.
Ron’s mother sure may of directed him on how to stay out of trouble.
MaryD, I believe the van belongs to Tommy and Lyndsy and that is what she drove to school. Chelsea had borrowed it though, so it was parked in front of her trailer.
JenM,
Maybe I’m overloaded but…if Lyndsy drove the Van to school and got home at 10:30pm, how did the Van then get to Chelsea’s house? And if Chelsea had the Van than what did Lyndsy drive to school? Know what i’m sayin?
ann said,
in May 3rd, 2010 at 7:35 pm
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Ann,
Ron never stated he called home 90 times. Do you have a link to back that up, please?
Even LE has stated that there were 20 calls made home that night.
What about Ron’s purple car – was it ever examined for trace evidence?
Did the Cadaver dogs get to sniff that car?
Can’t seem to put Ron in a ‘good guy’s folder’. He has too extensive a criminal background to be able to be credible as a witness in a case – my opinion only.
Having this extensive criminal background, and the fact that he under Florida Statute 794.05, anyone over 24 years of age is committing a felony when engaging in sexual activities with a minor, including a 16 year old, would seem to cross the line from legal to obviously illegal and in a different area from possession of drugs in greater amounts than for personal use, possession of drug parapharnelia, and maintaining a drug vehicle – pretty heavy charges for an undercover – again, my opinion.
So, we have the drug background, we have the sex offender background (any kind of justification of that I would appreciate hearing), and then we have an escalation to a missing child, now a possible homicide.
This is the undercover’s family that are involved – and, again, in my opinion, just doesn’t jive with credibility as a witness.
Then the marriage – to save himself from being a sex offender, or to give her what she wanted, marriage, or, to keep her close to find out more?
But then with an excellent opportunity to find out more,he destroys that avenue by telling Misty to not tell Donna anything.
Divorce – only on paper in my opinion. Felt compelled to do that in order to ‘look good’ and get the heat off. However, he was very careful to not say anything negative about Misty – and never returned to Grace’s show after she tried to put words in his mouth.
Yes, I noted that he was sitting in the back, but I attribute that to his personality of being a bully, in charge, and these are his mere puppets who he has trained to do his work.
He was very careful in trying to explain he was the father of the missing girl and this could never be told – perhaps that is why he took the back seat.
Wish we could have seen his face when he exited the car and the police were right there –
The Contempt of Court on Haleigh missing so many days – not something LE would want an undercover involved with – again undermines credibility.
Would he lose custody if Haleigh missed another day? He would lose the disability payments both Haleigh and Junior were providing him with monthly.
Just feel he has too much garbage in his personal life to be considered by LE to do any undercover work for them – perhaps he snitches but that shouldn’t give you all the protection he seems to have been extended by LE over the years.
He committed felonies by lying in the Petition for Custody. He said his drug charges were way back in 1999 when, in fact, he was still under probation. This is my opinion from reading the Petition.
But then again, one wonders why was he brought out of jail to be told about preparing for a possible funeral. Admit that was odd. And, that day he didn’t go back. Was that so no one would miss him – good way to get him out????
Very complex, if he wasn’t such a bad character I might entertain the thought of him being an informant. However, on a witness stand any defense attorney would have a field day with him.
My opinions only.
Ann
Ok MaryD, I see what you are saying. However, in the video, Lyndsy screws up the cover up by saying to Tommy: “You wouldn’t of had the house clean, the dinner cooked, and sat and watched Tv with me till we went to bed???” He then responds “I dunno know”. Then she says “You know what I mean, like, you would of been passed out.” When I come home, you would of been like, good, now I can pass out”.
This is where he changed the subject. So, did she really go to school that day? Or did she go to school in the van and when she came home, she told Tommy to go return it to Chelsea, so she could use in the morning, and told Tommy to walk back home? Perhaps she got a ride home from a friend?
There are so many pieces missing to the puzzle, I don’t see how we could say anything for sure.
Jen, I caught that question too. Like a reminder!!
So, do we have proof he was ‘engaging in sex’ with Misty? All we know is that she was staying there taking care of the kids. I don’t think there is proof of sex, unless someone can testify from witnessing it. Just saying. I do think he made the other guy he was in business with mad, for taking Misty in, because he wanted Misty working for him. Not sure of where I read or heard that, but have before.
The phone calls, I have heard 6, 20, 90….
It’s a mystery just how many were dialed.
Did he find his phone that night? Did he leave it in the car once he got home and saw Misty standing at the back door?
Did Tommy or Timmy tell Ron she was home when he called them and that is why he wasn’t in a hurry to get there? This is such a strange clan.
Ron said he called Misty 90 times or more than 90 times, no longer remember – from
Victims Heartline blog.
My opinions only,
Ann
I think it was a reminder too. Then he is brain dead and says…I dunno! Then she tries to explain why that is the story. No wonder he gave her a headache!!! He is like talking to a brick wall. She couldn’t get anything through to him. He was obsessing the entire call on himself and kept repeating stuff to her. She was getting ticked off for sure.
Could he of just been exaggerating….like people sometimes say “a thousand times” and its not really a thousand. I wonder if he counted how many really?
Also Art Harris reported Ron calling Misty 90 times.
I am thinking that Maryd hit the nail on the head with continuous dialing on a phone.
In my opinion,
Ann
JenM – beyond a reasonable doubt – sex offender?
Grant it, it is circumstantial evidence of sex offense – the sleeping arrangement would certainly indicate it, but the actual act (as in a eye witness) could not be verified for 100% certainity unless Misty testified. However, the bar is set at beyond reasonable doubt and not 100% certainity.
However, for a babysitter to sleep in the same bed doesn’t leave much to one’s imagination, I don’t think reasonable doubt would be difficult to arrive at for twelve jurors.
However, believe Crystal indicated she met up with Ron when she was only fourteen. Wonder how old Amber was?
Indications of pattern of behavior seems to be there for Ronald Cummings.
Just my opinions,
Ann
JenM,
Your comments always makes one think just a little harder – which is great!
Tomorrow I am going to research the phone – try to get you links to the 90 calls and to the call or non-call he made arriving home – and the 911 tape when he couldn’t find his phone.
God love those children. I do hope Lindsy gets out with her children intact and makes a life for them far away from prisons and life as they know it now.
Ann
I can save you time for the 90 calls it was no one else besides Art Harris, I will take what PCSO says on the calls being 20 and also Capt Schauland saying Ron picked up Haleigh and Chelsea confirmed it when she said she was there in the van, not Misty.
HollysGmom said,
in May 3rd, 2010 at 4:48 am
Jason;
Yea, that’s the ruomr…LP seeking to bail ROn out…only just as he was about to LE stepped up and said “No…not yet”.
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Really? How do you know that?
ann said,
in May 3rd, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Also Art Harris reported Ron calling Misty 90 times.
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I believe LE over Art Harris… LOL… ANY DAY!
“Bowling said Croslin told them Ronald Cummings had earlier called Misty about 20 times and could not get her on the phone.”
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145521&catid=3
Another example of LE stating TWENTY CALLS:
Ryan said that phone records show that Ronald Cummings made 20 attempts to reach Misty during the evening of Feb. 9.
*(FTR, anyone not familiar with “Ryan”, that is Undersheriff Rick Ryan)
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090922/ARTICLES/909229908/1002?Title=Were-Haleigh-stepmom-home-Interview-casts-doubt
Well, I type as I think, so I guess I just wonder about a lot of behaviors they have. I just keep reminding myself that they obviously have a different lifestyle than some and don’t see or do things in the same sense as others might do and vice versa.
It’s difficult to put yourself in their situations, with all the family history, abuse, prostitution, drugs, etoh, criminal activity, gang activity, racial tension, lack of education, possible incest, …you name it. It makes for extreme dysfunction for sure.
Anyway, has anyone mentioned that Misty might of possibly thrown the kids in the car with her and nay nay to go get the drugs? Maybe she left them in the car and when she came out, Haliegh was dead. Tommy got called to come and get them from the party in the van. He shows up, Misty and Nay Nay get in with Jr and Haliegh (in a blanket). Leave Nay Nay’s car there at the party or drop it off at her house. They all go to the trailer, planning what to do the whole time. They decide to toss Haleigh in the dumpster. This is where Nay Nay drops her keys in the dirt. They panic again, decide to take her out of the dumpster. Tommy sets the back door up like a break-in, he tells Misty to stay there with Jr., Tommy takes nay nay home. Tommy takes Haleigh to the river. the rest is history. Its all possible ya know or maybe some version of it.
Why bail ron out? What good does that do anybody? All the players are inside except maybe one.
There is no way Ron gets close to Joe Overstreet while out on bail. And, when his court date comes up shortly, he’ll be going back to jail for the drug charges.
Everyone should be able to post bail and work through the system, but what does LP get out of it? You think Ron is going to say anything pertinent to LP or his people? Doubt it. If Rons mom were bailing him out, I could understand it, it may be a long time before he’s home again.
Donald Sapp gets a proverbial slap on the wrist..
2010-04-29 32 SCORESHEET FILED
2010-04-29 33 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY BILL BOOKHAMMER
2010-04-29 33 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLED NOLO TO THE LESSER OF
2010-04-29 33 FELONY BATTERY
2010-04-29 33 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE
2010-04-29 33 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING –
2010-04-29 33 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY
2010-04-29 33 261 DAYS PCJ WITH 261 DAYS CREDIT
2010-04-29 33 PROBATION UNTIL 08/09/2014
2010-04-29 33 $395 COURT COSTS
2010-04-29 33 $50 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPLICATION FEE
2010-04-29 33 $1.00 TO FIRST STEP, INC
2010-04-29 33 $20 TO THE CRIME STOPPERS TRUST FUND
2010-04-29 33 $100 PUBLIC DEFENDER ATTORNEY FEE
2010-04-29 33 $100 COST OF PROSECUTION
2010-04-29 33 COST OF SUPERVISION SET AT $10 PER MONTH
2010-04-29 33 $151 TO THE RAPE CRISIS TRUST FUND
2010-04-29 33 NO CONTACT WITH ANGELA CRIBBS AND K.S. – DIRECT,
2010-04-29 33 INDIRECT OR THIRD PARTY
2010-04-29 33 NOT TO TRESPASS AT ANY PROPERTY WHERE ANGELA CRIBBS
2010-04-29 33 RESIDES
2010-04-29 34 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT
vaquera said,
in May 4th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Donald Sapp gets a proverbial slap on the wrist..
2010-04-29 32 SCORESHEET FILED
2010-04-29 33 TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRESENT, ATT BY BILL BOOKHAMMER
2010-04-29 33 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLED NOLO TO THE LESSER OF
2010-04-29 33 FELONY BATTERY
2010-04-29 33 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5 YRS DOC &/OR $5000 FINE
2010-04-29 33 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI WAIVED, SENTENCING –
2010-04-29 33 DEFENDANT ADJUDGED GUILTY
2010-04-29 33 261 DAYS PCJ WITH 261 DAYS CREDIT
2010-04-29 33 PROBATION UNTIL 08/09/2014
2010-04-29 33 $395 COURT COSTS
2010-04-29 33 $50 PUBLIC DEFENDER APPLICATION FEE
2010-04-29 33 $1.00 TO FIRST STEP, INC
2010-04-29 33 $20 TO THE CRIME STOPPERS TRUST FUND
2010-04-29 33 $100 PUBLIC DEFENDER ATTORNEY FEE
2010-04-29 33 $100 COST OF PROSECUTION
2010-04-29 33 COST OF SUPERVISION SET AT $10 PER MONTH
2010-04-29 33 $151 TO THE RAPE CRISIS TRUST FUND
2010-04-29 33 NO CONTACT WITH ANGELA CRIBBS AND K.S. – DIRECT,
2010-04-29 33 INDIRECT OR THIRD PARTY
2010-04-29 33 NOT TO TRESPASS AT ANY PROPERTY WHERE ANGELA CRIBBS
2010-04-29 33 RESIDES
2010-04-29 34 FINGERPRINTS OF DEFENDANT
That is F’d up. What about no trespassing anywhere. How could selling Rx. drugs get you 15 yrs and attempted rape of a minor probation. Was there to little evidence? Don’t get it.
We Know Tommy had the yellow rope found in his trailer. Why in the world would Tommy cover for Joe- does not make since. I feel that Tommy covered for Misty. Maybe Ron Knows Hard to tell But Misty Killed her I believe. by accident.
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/04/rope-tied-around-the-screen-door-at-ronald-cummings-trailer/
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