Seeing as these tapes are very likely to get some discussion time in our program this afternoon I thought it might be useful to publish some transcripts. We had three people (volunteers) work very hard on these. I want to thank Carpe, Hollygsmom, and Pam Page. It was a tough mission, and time was not on our side. Your efforts are most greatly appreciated.
Do these tapes reveal anything to do with the Haleigh Cummings disappearance, I don’t know. I am not a trained psychologist but even I can see some issues with what is being said by Ronald Cummings. Do not get me wrong I am not a Ronald hater, I hate them all. There is not one of them, Misty Croslin, Tommy Croslin, Ronald Cummings, Crystal Sheffield, the battling Grammies, or anyone else remotely connected with this case that I trust any further than I could throw them!
We will be discussing these tapes on todays program at 3pm central, link is here.
WS_3001 RON AND COBRA 5 minutes 26 seconds
full transcript:
cobra: that`s all i know, baby
ron: joseph edward overstreet
cobra: J E? i do know the extra part.
ron: joseph edward overstreet
cobra: you puttin` money on this motherf***** too, ain`t ya?
ron: I`m ummm…
cobra: 75 percent sure?
ron: no.
cobra: no? more than that?
ron: no, i`m not sure at all. …but i`m gonna tell you what…
cobra: did you have any enemies? i heard you was messin off drug dealers and s***
so, you know i was tryin` to run that s*** down. i don`t want to get you in trouble
with drug dealers and s*** but, did you bring this drama to your house?
ron: no, absolutely not. here look, when i moved there, nobody knew where i lived,
nobody. NOBODY… except Joe and Misty`s family and nobody, nobody, and Kristina
Cobair, Nay-Nay.
cobra: Nay-Nay
ron: nay-nay, she`s the one that took misty to f*** greg, white boy, on stokes landing.
yeah, she`s busted. yeah, she told me.
cobra: damn dog! damn dog! damn dawggggg!
ron: i love her, look. i love her. love misty.
cobra: i know you do, everybody who knows that know that
ron: i love that son-of-a-b**** so she had an affair, f**** it. a
good f*** and a half never had nothing to do with my daughter going missing.
cobra: at least your focused. your focused.
ron: you know what else, my best friend is black.
cobra: all my boys are black. i just told you all my boys are black.
ron: orlando, orlando, hey… let me tell ya, orlando is far from being
a drug dealer but if you will look into as deep as you can… somewhere
here in putnam county… there is an orlando… i`m not sure if his name
is trailor also?
cobra: f***, you the man, I mean damn, reach out.
ron: listen listen… orlando, there is also another orlando.
cobra: i know
ron: his social security number is only a couple of numbers off from
Orlando my friend`s… and he does have a battery on a (unintellgible) and
he is a big drug dealer… and they`re accusing my best friend as him.
ron: my best friend has been working for superior, i think i started there
in november of 05, i think he started there about 6 weeks before i did,
a month and a half? … about 6, 7 weeks before i did… he`s been there
ever since.
cobra: ain`t no big f***** deal, bro
ron: so we used to…
cobra: hey, it don`t make no, we ain`t no big deal… it`s the motherf****
heroin and s***
ron: here`s the thing… look
cobra: you look like you ain`t scared of needles bro
ron: oh, i look like ain`t scared?
cobra: look like you ain`t scared of em.
ron: yeah, but does it look like them been anywhere?
cobra: no you ain`t tracking… you ain`t trackin
ron: does it look like any of them been anywhere, huh? huh? you sure?
cobra: nah nah nah
ron: yeah, exactly!
cobra: but you know us boys down in miami, you get em in the tools, ya know?
but you dont have to show me your tools, i believe that. heyyyy
ron: i will show you the bottom side of my *** sack where a lot of
motherf***** like to put it!
cobra: (laugh) ohhhh!!! heyyyy there`s people looking at me, dog!!!!
cobra: listen man, i got your boys figured out, i know, i figured out…down there and he told jr. a bunch of s*** and i told jr. little jr he said…
(interrupted mid-sentence)
ron: you know what I told him? he told…let me tell you what i know what he told me…
ron: they were down there fishin` junior hank, actually i call him tommy
cobra: tommy ok
ron: ok, cuz that`s the same jr. hank jr. tommy… and joe were fishin` with austin, tommy`s son… at that dock… it got dark… that dock got swamped with alligators… he told me, he said holy f**** s*** i had to get my son out of there i thought lake placid was fixin` to go on!
cobra: yep
ron: you know what?
cobra: yep?
ron: joe said the corridor would be the perfect f****ing place to kill somebody…
cobra: bam
ron: dump them right in the water… let the alligators take care of the rest.
cobra: bam!
ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.
cobra: yea, well i`m trying to get a team down here brother and the only thing that`s
stopping that right now… the only thing that is stoppin me is the sheriff and
the f***** deputy wont call me back and they got the power to do it and they
aint called me so… i finally talked to somebody from FDLE this afternoon and
they gotta…
ron: well let me get on my phone and see if i can get john…
cobra: let me tell you one more thing! there is a dude that is killin babies…
probably about 20 of em…one described to me yesterday that made me sick to my stomach…
about beat this kid to death… blood flying all over the windshield and s***
and he drove off… and cleaned the vehicle… he`s out right now on a 2 count
child molestation sexual battery and his name is snodgrass.
cobra: no,no,no… he`s got a monitoring bracelet on and i talked to the monitoring
people, theres no inconsistencies in the monitor… none. …and he`s a bondsman,
he`s a friend of mine from jacksonville from global.
(static)
cobra: hey let me pull my s**** over there. uh huh. i`m fixin to pull over
there with him. (unintelligible)
cobra: if you lyin to me… charge! hear me? this guy… oh f**** it…
that`s one motherf**** that I`m gonna have to use it… if i gotta use it..
i`m gonna use it. Let me ask you a question man…no, i ain`t gonna ask you
a question in here now man… (laugh) i almost f**** myself up.
(end audio)
RON AND COBRA – WS-30002 3 mins 15 secs
full transcript:
cobra: uh, you owe me 5 bucks, you owe me ten bucks, both yall (unintelligible)
unknown: uh huh. don`t work like that bro. (unintelligible) come back
in this b****, we`ll getcha. (unintelligible)
cobra: dont know anything about that.(unintelligible) i`ve been investigating
everybody else like a mother****. so im gonna get the mf.
ron: well, i gave you the address 1529
cobra: 1529? daddy`s dont kill babies, mommies do. daddies dont.
i`m experienced, i got 5 kids dog. i dont think you had nothin to with
s*** to tell you the truth. i aint investigating you.
i`ve been investigating everybody else like a mf…
but Joe at the top of my f`n list! feel me?
ron: wanna me to tell you what i think?
cobra: so, i`m gonna get the mf, dog. and i`m… (unintelligible)
ron: find joe. find joe.
cobra: huh? i know where joe at.
ron: i know where he is at too.
cobra: antioch, tn?
ron: 1529 antioch place
cobra: i know where he at dog, my boys is already around him.
ron: well that`s why i gave you the address, 1529
cobra: 1529, 1529… i know how to say antioch, antioch tn
ron: antioch place, antioch tn. 1529 antioch place.
cobra: you think he`s got something to do with it? i heard the first night
he came into town man… he tried to get your piece.
ron: the first time i met him he stole my piece. (gun)
cobra: the first day?
ron: the first day i met him… the third time… the third DAY that he was here…
cobra: yeah, the first time you MET him.
ron: first time i met him he stole my piece.
cobra: I heard that
ron: you know what? i felt like a criminal… i went straight down to the ditch…
because i figure if it`s on his premises and the law finds them… guess what?
cobra: boom, back to you!
ron: No… if it`s on his premises… then he`s in trouble.
cobra: yeah
ron: so, you put it in the ditch and anybody could have put it there, right? got my
s*** right out of the culvert… took it home… sprayed it…cleaned it… and there
it was.
cobra: yeah
ron: same piece that FDLE has right now.
cobra: yeah… no… i`m cool man… i`m cool… (unintelligible)
ron: no bro dude, i don`t get high, dude.
cobra: no, i`m aint talkin about getting high… i`m talkin about is…a lot
of times when i talk to somebody i always look in their eyes, it`s like…
i`ll look you in the eyes and tell ya… you aint my guy… when you was
following me down the road… it kind made me nervous. i dont know if one
of your boys got up in that b****?
ron: you know what happened?
cobra: so i pulled in there and looked and said damn.
ron: what happened with me is, i wanted to know who the hell keeps following me around.
cobra: oh not me bro. i went over by the thing… i saw the truck…
ron: that`s why when i turned around and you turned around? I turned around again.
i`m gonna find out who the f this is following me… he`s either gonna shoot me…
or i am gonna find out who is following me.
cobra: i thought the same thing. i said this is gonna be bad… i coming up here
to help this dude find his kid… and now me and him got a problem. i came for you!
i`m up here at my own expense brother…. i aint here trying to get no media…
i aint tryin to get no money… i aint tryin to get s***. i`ve got 5 kids.
you should have all your kids with you! feel me? now, i`ve been checking
everybody else all night…
ron: ( unintelligible about crystal and custody papers and her lawyer )
cobra: ive seen her over there… yep, her people`s over there but…that`s
her business… i don`t f*** with that. i dont know about yall`s custody.
ron: well i can give you the custody papers. i`ve got em in my…
cobra: i dont… see, i dont care about custody. cuz theres custody
i gotta live child… i got it with you… or i got it with her…
( unintelligible) Safe!
ron: here`s the problem.
yall was having this fight…before the kid was missing.
(end of audio)
RON AND COBRA – WS_30003 audio – 1 mins 52 secs
cobra: had the van that afternoon, the last afternoon that uh…
ron: i ain`t never had that van, they won`t let me drive that van.
cobra: what van could misty drive? they`ve already told me, they told me
that the day that Haliegh came up missing… that afternoon when she picked
her up from the bus stop… she picked her up in a van… and that uh, you
come down there flyin` sideways at the bus stop… hey, where my girl at?
…and you know… you lookin` for misty. what is all that?
cobra: oh, they lyin?
ron: all that is wrong, dude. i picked my daughter up from the bus stop that day!
i dropped her off at the bus stop… and i picked her up at the bust stop!
cobra: well, i am glad you told me that… you know why? cuz these scratches on
the van and all that s*** i`m glad misty didn`t do that s***, the van, you know
driving around. i think joe was driving the mother****** van!
ron: I! I picked my daughter up from the bus stop… and she sat in my lap…
f**** what the world thinks, they can all suck my d*** …. I let her sit in my lap
and steer the car home… and she put her left blinker on to turn left down the dirt
road to go to my house! when she rounded the (unintelligible) and s***… hit the right
blinker! okay?
cobra: damn
ron: i got out, i gave her a hug and a kiss… i gave my son a hug and a kiss,
gave my girlfriend a hug and a kiss, told her i love you… i`ll see y`all when i
get home from work.
cobra: what did you mean when you said: b****, who the f*** did you let come in here
and steal my kid? that`s what i wanted to ask you about. if I had any questions for
you, you must have known she had somebody in there.
ron: i don`t think she had anything to do with it.
cobra: you don`t think she let anybody come in? well you said…
you said that on that tape i heard it!
ron: no. i just wanted to know… uh no, i said: b***** HOW THE F*** could you
let somebody come in my house?
cobra: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeahhhh
ron: what i wanna know is… (crosstalk)
cobra: when you left for work, you locked that f**** door, you had that
back door locked?
ron: yeah yeah… but you know what? you look on the internet and look up bump locks.
cobra: i know, i know how to bump lock like a motherf***** but you know that s***
works like sometime works sometime works sometime…. if the feds would have took
the whole motherf***** door knob we could have told it`s been bump locked!
ron: they already came and got it
cobra: that motherf***** ain`t gone! they ain`t touch your screen door, dog!
they ain`t touch your f***** door! what they bring it back?
ron: no
cobra: put new ones in?
ron: came back and put new ones in.
(end of audio)
ws_30004 RON AND COBRA – 6 mins. 46 seconds audio
full transcript
cobra: …got that boys money & s****, got that dude… (unintelligible)
ron: he`s my buddy.
cobra: alright. that`s cool.
ron: i can give ya the results any time you want.
cobra: did you have to find her from some crack house the day before?
ron: no, did not. no, i did not.
cobra: why is everybody hating on you, dog?
ron: i can tell you right now what it is. crystal (unintelligible) …also she turned
right on national tv… she got paid by Geraldo 10,000 dollars to say I`m a confidential
informant.
cobra: are you?
ron: no, i am not.
cobra: alright.
ron: you know what?
cobra: huh? I AM. I AM… I work for (unintelligble) boys.
ron: well were gonna be um, everybody is gonna subpeoned to court
including john merchant who is the lead detective in this…
cobra: yeah, what did he do?
ron: he has no… he is the lead detective in this case.
cobra: which one got caught with some pot and coke in his car and got
pulled of the case and put on desk job, is that merchant?
ron: no
cobra: no, who was that, do you know who that was?
ron: i think that might have been chris middleton, i dont` know
cobra: see, i dont know any of these motherf****. I called 87 times to
talk to the muthaf***** po-lice, you know how many times they talk to me?
ron: none?
cobra: zun! zun! none!!!!
ron: i can call and get merchant on the phone for you right now.
cobra: but i don`t know him, man… cuz all of a sudden they have merchant`s
name mixed up with you, if you all was boys… that wont do me no good… if
i`m tryin to find a child and somebody out here playin… ya know?
what you thinking man?
unknown: da baby, doggggg.
cobra: somebody knows your ass. somebody knows you man.
ron: (unintelligible) i`m gonna tell you right now… (unintelligible)
cobra: i tell ya… i`ll go kill him my damn myself.
ron: if i had any idea… and especially..
cobra: well, i heard you had a 75 percent. er uhhh i talked to my momma.
ron: if i had 75 percent, dude… i`d burn the other 25 percent, and i`d burn
whoever it is and sit in prison thinking i was 75% sure i got that person
that had my daughter.
cobra: i talked to misty`s mom… junior… junior a cool dude, man.
they all battin`… they all battin` for this family`s side. me? i
aint take no sides, man. my side is Haliegh… and anybody gets in
my muthaf**** way… that`s my game. that`s all!
ron: december of 05 when i finally went to court… um, the 4100 dollars
in southport that her lawyer (unintelligible) maybe i should get her the
paperwork that`s left in my f**** visor because she`s 11,400 behind.
cobra: no f***** way!
ron: yeah, now me or you? (unintelligible)
cobra: you going to jail! (laugh) i just tell em to go f off. i got
child support like a muthaf*****.
ron: we go to jail, bro! we go to jail.
cobra: oh, yeah
ron: you know what`s crazy, though?
cobra: huh?
ron: my daughter come up missing feb the 10th… feb. the 10th, at about
threeee 27, 28… i was there for about three minutes turning the house
upside down and then told misty, call 911, call 911. call 911.
cobra: i heard ya , i heard the tapes. i heard em off the tv.
ron: at 3:26 is when the 911 call was made. so, i must have pulled in at
about 3:23. they also have ummm surveilance videos from the top of the
hill where it goes from two lanes to 4 lanes… they asked me if i was
there what took me so long to get home? i said i stopped at the store…
well what store? i told em, well what did you buy? i said, i bought
a pack of basic lights in a box, i bought a pack of newport shorts
in a box, i bought a pack of honey roasted peanuts, i bought a pack of
salted peanuts, and i bought a 30 ounce Budweiser in a bottle.
cobra: sounds like a normal f`n man coming from work.
ron: guess what? they went on pulled the tapes, guess what they found?
cobra: all of the above!
ron: now they said, well how the f**** did you get home from this amount
of time to this amount of time… well because I drive like
a cracker ready to get home from work!
cobra: i was talking to misty`s momma… she said that the night that this all
went down… she said that this f**** dude joe… swore vengeance on your
ass that he`d get ya… he`d make you pay…or whatever the f****.
ron: that`s what i was told too.
cobra: i heard it, straight up.
ron: then as soon as my daughter went missing he got the f outta here and went to
tennessee.
cobra: very same day. …and also he was staying over at timmy`s house, over there…
and when timmy woke up at 1 o` clock in the morning that mother**** it wasn`t there.
ron: van wasn`t there. van wasn`t there. that`s why the van has been impounded.
cobra: i`m gonna go back over to your house there`s a bush sitting right there
in your yard where you go down this road and make a u turn or whatever… come
back up at your place… i betcha the piece of brushes that i got…
but then all of a sudden they told me that misty had the van that afternoon…
the last afternoon… that uh…
ron: misty aint never had that van. they won`t let misty drive that van.
cobra: what van could misty drive? they`ve already told me, they told me
that the day that Haliegh came up missing… that afternoon when she picked
her up from the bus stop… she picked her up in a van… and that uh, you
come down there flyin` sideways at the bus stop… hey, where my girl at?
…and you know… you lookin` for misty. what is all that?
cobra: oh, they lyin?
ron: all that is wrong, dude. i picked my daughter up from the bus stop that day!
i dropped her off at the bus stop… and i picked her up at the bust stop!
cobra: well, i am glad you told me that… you know why? cuz these scratches on
the van and all that s*** i`m glad misty didn`t do that s***, the van, you know
driving around. i think joe was driving the mother****** van!
ron: I! I picked my daughter up from the bus stop… and she sat in my lap…
f**** what the world thinks, they can all suck my d*** …. I let her sit in my lap
and steer the car home… and she put her left blinker on to turn left down the dirt
road to go to my house! when she rounded the (unintelligible) and s***… hit the right
blinker! okay?
cobra: damn
ron: i got out, i gave her a hug and a kiss… i gave my son a hug and a kiss,
gave my girlfriend a hug and a kiss, told her i love you… i`ll see y`all when i
get home from work.
cobra: what did you mean when you said: b****, who the f*** did you let come in here
and steal my kid? that`s what i wanted to ask you about. if I had any questions for
you, you must have known she had somebody in there.
ron: i don`t think she had anything to do with it.
cobra: you don`t think she let anybody come in? well you said…
you said that on that tape i heard it!
ron: no. i just wanted to know… uh no, i said: b***** HOW THE F*** could you
let somebody come in my house?
cobra: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeahhhh
ron: what i wanna know is… (crosstalk)
cobra: when you left for work, you locked that f**** door, you had that
back door locked?
ron: yeah yeah… but you know what? you look on the internet and look up bump locks.
cobra: i know, i know how to bump lock like a motherf***** but you know that s***
works like sometime works sometime works sometime…. if the feds would have took
the whole motherf***** door knob we could have told it`s been bump locked!
ron: they already came and got it
cobra: that motherf***** ain`t gone! they ain`t touch your screen door, dog!
they ain`t touch your f***** door! what they bring it back?
ron: no
cobra: put new ones in?
ron: came back and put new ones in.
(end of audio)
ws_30004 RON AND COBRA – 6 mins. 46 seconds audio
full transcript
cobra: …got that boys money & s****, got that dude… (unintelligible)
ron: he`s my buddy.
cobra: alright. that`s cool.
ron: i can give ya the results any time you want.
cobra: did you have to find her from some crack house the day before?
ron: no, did not. no, i did not.
cobra: why is everybody hating on you, dog?
ron: i can tell you right now what it is. crystal (unintelligible) …also she turned
right on national tv… she got paid by Geraldo 10,000 dollars to say I`m a confidential
informant.
cobra: are you?
ron: no, i am not.
cobra: alright.
ron: you know what?
cobra: huh? I AM. I AM… I work for (unintelligble) boys.
ron: well were gonna be um, everybody is gonna subpeoned to court
including john merchant who is the lead detective in this…
cobra: yeah, what did he do?
ron: he has no… he is the lead detective in this case.
cobra: which one got caught with some pot and coke in his car and got
pulled of the case and put on desk job, is that merchant?
ron: no
cobra: no, who was that, do you know who that was?
ron: i think that might have been chris middleton, i dont` know
cobra: see, i dont know any of these motherf****. I called 87 times to
talk to the muthaf***** po-lice, you know how many times they talk to me?
ron: none?
cobra: zun! zun! none!!!!
ron: i can call and get merchant on the phone for you right now.
cobra: but i don`t know him, man… cuz all of a sudden they have merchant`s
name mixed up with you, if you all was boys… that wont do me no good… if
i`m tryin to find a child and somebody out here playin… ya know?
what you thinking man?
unknown: da baby, doggggg.
cobra: somebody knows your ass. somebody knows you man.
ron: (unintelligible) i`m gonna tell you right now… (unintelligible)
cobra: i tell ya… i`ll go kill him my damn myself.
ron: if i had any idea… and especially..
cobra: well, i heard you had a 75 percent. er uhhh i talked to my momma.
ron: if i had 75 percent, dude… i`d burn the other 25 percent, and i`d burn
whoever it is and sit in prison thinking i was 75% sure i got that person
that had my daughter.
cobra: i talked to misty`s mom… junior… junior a cool dude, man.
they all battin`… they all battin` for this family`s side. me? i
aint take no sides, man. my side is Haliegh… and anybody gets in
my muthaf**** way… that`s my game. that`s all!
ron: december of 05 when i finally went to court… um, the 4100 dollars
in southport that her lawyer (unintelligible) maybe i should get her the
paperwork that`s left in my f**** visor because she`s 11,400 behind.
cobra: no f***** way!
ron: yeah, now me or you? (unintelligible)
cobra: you going to jail! (laugh) i just tell em to go f off. i got
child support like a muthaf*****.
ron: we go to jail, bro! we go to jail.
cobra: oh, yeah
ron: you know what`s crazy, though?
cobra: huh?
ron: my daughter come up missing feb the 10th… feb. the 10th, at about
threeee 27, 28… i was there for about three minutes turning the house
upside down and then told misty, call 911, call 911. call 911.
cobra: i heard ya , i heard the tapes. i heard em off the tv.
ron: at 3:26 is when the 911 call was made. so, i must have pulled in at
about 3:23. they also have ummm surveilance videos from the top of the
hill where it goes from two lanes to 4 lanes… they asked me if i was
there what took me so long to get home? i said i stopped at the store…
well what store? i told em, well what did you buy? i said, i bought
a pack of basic lights in a box, i bought a pack of newport shorts
in a box, i bought a pack of honey roasted peanuts, i bought a pack of
salted peanuts, and i bought a 30 ounce Budweiser in a bottle.
cobra: sounds like a normal f`n man coming from work.
ron: guess what? they went on pulled the tapes, guess what they found?
cobra: all of the above!
ron: now they said, well how the f**** did you get home from this amount
of time to this amount of time… well because I drive like
a cracker ready to get home from work!
cobra: i was talking to misty`s momma… she said that the night that this all
went down… she said that this f**** dude joe… swore vengeance on your
ass that he`d get ya… he`d make you pay…or whatever the f****.
ron: that`s what i was told too.
cobra: i heard it, straight up.
ron: then as soon as my daughter went missing he got the f outta here and went to
tennessee.
cobra: very same day. …and also he was staying over at timmy`s house, over there…
and when timmy woke up at 1 o` clock in the morning that mother**** it wasn`t there.
ron: van wasn`t there. van wasn`t there. that`s why the van has been impounded.
cobra: i`m gonna go back over to your house there`s a bush sitting right there
in your yard where you go down this road and make a u turn or whatever… come
back up at your place… i betcha the piece of brushes that i got…
but then all of a sudden they told me that misty had the van that afternoon…
the last afternoon… that uh…
ron: misty aint never had that van. they won`t let misty drive that van.
cobra: what van could misty drive? they`ve already told me, they told me
that the day that Haliegh came up missing… that afternoon when she picked
her up from the bus stop… she picked her up in a van… and that uh, you
come down there flyin` sideways at the bus stop… hey, where my girl at?
…and you know… you lookin` for misty. what is all that?
cobra: oh, they lyin?
ron: all that is wrong, dude. i picked my daughter up from the bus stop that day!
i dropped her off at the bus stop… and i picked her up at the bust stop!
cobra: well, i am glad you told me that… you know why? cuz these scratches on
the van and all that s*** i`m glad misty didn`t do that s***, the van, you know
driving around. i think joe was driving the mother****** van!
ron: I! I picked my daughter up from the bus stop… and she sat in my lap…
f**** what the world thinks, they can all suck my d*** …. I let her sit in my lap
and steer the car home… and she put her left blinker on to turn left down the dirt
road to go to my house! when she rounded the (unintelligible) and s***… hit the right
blinker! okay?
cobra: damn
ron: i got out, i gave her a hug and a kiss… i gave my son a hug and a kiss,
gave my girlfriend a hug and a kiss, told her i love you… i`ll see y`all when i
get home from work.
cobra: what did you mean when you said: b****, who the f*** did you let come in here
and steal my kid? that`s what i wanted to ask you about. if I had any questions for
you, you must have known she had somebody in there.
ron: i don`t think she had anything to do with it.
cobra: you don`t think she let anybody come in? well you said…
you said that on that tape i heard it!
ron: no. i just wanted to know… uh no, i said: b***** HOW THE F*** could you
let somebody come in my house?
cobra: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeahhhh
ron: what i wanna know is… (crosstalk)
cobra: when you left for work, you locked that f**** door, you had that
back door locked?
ron: yeah yeah… but you know what? you look on the internet and look up bump locks.
cobra: i know, i know how to bump lock like a motherf***** but you know that s***
works like sometime works sometime works sometime…. if the feds would have took
the whole motherf***** door knob we could have told it`s been bump locked!
ron: they already came and got it
cobra: that motherf***** ain`t gone! they ain`t touch your screen door, dog!
they ain`t touch your f***** door! what they bring it back?
ron: no
cobra: put new ones in?
ron: came back and put new ones in.
(end of audio)
ws_30005 audio 3 mins 43 secs
full transcript:
cobra: what do you think about joe, bro? joe would hurt your kid, right?
ron: joe, had business with me… because, heres`s the thing…
cobra: damnnn!
ron: joe had his old lady come from wherever she was from in her new cadillac
and when i come down out from my room that day… after i hid it…ok?…after..
i didn`t tell nobody… so he thought that was where it`s at …and I come around
the corner and guess where his girlfriend`s at?
cobra: where?
ron: now… (unintelligible) he was with Hank at the doctor… cuz hank said mf`r
if you got that pistol… you need to give it up.
cobra: who said that?
ron: hank…
cobra: hank, who is hank?
ron: man, hank is uh misty`s dad. he said mf you piece of s*** i know you got that gun
cobra: to you?
ron: nah, to joe. if you got that gun, you`re not leavin… cuz he said i`m leavin for
for tennessee… i`m getting the f outta here. he said well you mf if you got it,
you aint taking it with you, i`ll promise you that. wherever it`s at is where it
will be.
cobra: oh joe confrontated his ass… i mean, uh hank got on his ass
ron: hank was already on his ass… hank had been on his ass all night. 5:30
in the morning, and hank… powwwwww! give it up b**** where is the gun?
cobra: no s**** damnnnnnnn! x-man X-man mf`r
ron: he used to be before he got f`d up. but uh…
cobra: you talkin bout hank… you talkin bout?
ron: big hank in a wheelchair.
cobra: oh! he`s a bad mf`r, yeah… he`s alright, he`s a cool dude man…
i bought him a pack of cigarettes.
ron: here`s the thing came in the house at 6 o clock and told joe…
unknown: ( unintelligible interruption )
ron: thanks man, alright partner. i said, i said aint gonna hit him.
cobra: big guy? little guy? your size? smaller?
ron: smaller than me, i`d break him in half. aint nothin to it, i said dude…
all i want is for you to let me lay his hand on the concrete and crush it with
this motherf**** jack.
cobra: for stealin for stealin the damn gun…
ron: …and i would crush both of his mf`n hands… i will
make sure they will never be able to mf`n… no, they will never
be able to reconstruct em ….that way he will never be able to steal
nothing from anybody else. right or wrong?
cobra: right on.
ron: instead of cutting them off and going to jail for attempted murder,
i will just crush your f`n hands b**** … i`ll get an assault with a deadly
weapon. so what? i`ll be out…. i`ll be out!
cobra: (laugh) don`t go f`n anybody up, man. be close, be close, be close on tommy! be very
close. i got joe at the top of my f`n list. ya know, people try to put your name in
there… i said, you know what? i seen the dude on tv… i seen this girl…
i seen a lot of s****.
ron: let me tell you what else i got man!
cobra: alright bro
ron: february the 10th like i said… that`s when my…
cobra: yes, that was the child support date. (sarcastic) alright now bro. i know.
so you were scheduled to go to court and it got f`n put aside.
ron: it got put aside
cobra: ok? ok?
ron: still, how does it get put aside? that`s back child support… that ain`t today`s
child support. that`s back child support.
cobra: well i dunno, probably a judge heard about it and said oh s*** he can`t come in
today he got a lot on his mind! ya know? i don`t know.
ron: march 27th okay? what made you think your daughter was gonna be gone for a month
and 7 days? what made you think that the po-lice wasn`t gonna find em before march 27th?
cobra: i dunno, bro. i dunno.
ron: think about it. think hard!
cobra: i`m tryin, dude my head is f***** swole with this s*** bro!
ron: think, think brother.
cobra: why?
ron: why every time marie griffis crystal`s mother gets on tv… why does she say i
think Haliegh is alive and in Georgia and Alabama? what is that all about?
cobra: you think they took the kid and hid it out? i don`t think they did… i can`t
put it unless joe worked for them. … because i think joe`s my boy.
ron: that`s what i think! …and then i gotta a second thought also… then
i gotta second thought that says if this f**** lawyer, which i know she cant take junior
from me because i haven`t done nothing wrong in 3 and 1/2 years… why is all sudden I got
my… (unintelligible) in the truck, come on! can you put the light back?
cobra: laugh
(end of audio)
RON & COBRA #1 – Audio 44 seconds
transcript:
cobra: yea, down there and he told jr. a bunch of s*** and i told jr. little jr he said…
(interrupted mid-sentence)
ron: you know what I told him? he told…let me tell you what i know what he told me…
ron: they were down there fishin` junior hank, actually i call him tommy
cobra: tommy ok
ron: ok, cuz that`s the same jr. hank jr. tommy… and joe were fishin` with austin, tommy`s son… at that dock… it got dark… that dock got swamped with alligators… he told me, he said holy f**** s*** i had to get my son out of there i thought lake placid was fixin` to go on!
cobra: yep
ron: you know what?
cobra: yep?
ron: joe said the corridor would be the perfect f****ing place to kill somebody…
cobra: bam
ron: dump them right in the water… let the alligators take care of the rest.
cobra: bam!
ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.
cobra: yea, well i`m trying to get a team down here brother and the only thing that`s
stopping that right now (end of audio)
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RON AND COBRA – TAPE #2 2 mins. 31 secs
transcript
cobra:
i am gonna tell you this, very important, you got any connections with the cops?
you got any mf that you can get the shirt to me? i got equusearch coming
back out here… for that s*** …. with side-scanning radar there… Dunn`s bridge, both with the scan, ya know? i gotta look for a dead child… i gotta look for a live child. gotta do both.
ron: let me tell you this… did you know that gators… burrow?
cobra: yes.
ron: they make burrows?
cobra: i know exactly what gators do man, I`m from Miami!
ron: …and well th-th-they make burrows where there`s air pockets on top.
(cobra interrupts)
cobra: …and they`ll push that mud back in their house.
ron: and they will push their prey ( cobra talk over) even if it was a…. thank you, thank you!
cobra: …i know brother, man, i am a hillbilly, bro… i`m 52 years old… i`ve been doin`
this a couple days. (laugh)
ron: well, i`m half your age and you can see that i have…
cobra: you`re a father man!
ron: i have a lot more knowledge than most mf`n fools.
cobra: you`re a father… (laugh) you`re a father… that`s what the main thing is.
(ron lowers voice)
ron: 3 1/2 years i have had custody these kids, why all of a sudden does everyone following me around the house sayin` baby killer?
cobra: i dunno bro… cuz maybe your girlfriend lost lost one? that`s the only thing…
(unintelligible)
grab in there and pry on her, I guess. you know? Why they came up missing? That`s
why… that`s the only reason i know why.
ron: you know what?
cobra: there ain`t nobody heard nothing until a child missing!
ron: I can`t believe, I can`t believe… EXACTLY!
cobra: f****** joe, man. f******* joe … joe is such a good liar, man… joe is such a good f*****… another thing else bro!
(while cobra is talking – ron says something about money – sounds like 700 dollars to catch him)
ron: you know what the thing is? you know what the thing is? you know what the thing is?
cobra: (unintelligible) …ass on somebody
cobra: i keep… i keep (unintelligible) on joe, i hate to take him out in the f***** swamp! I don`t know what his levels are, bro.
ron: i`m scared… i`m scared of him.
cobra: yea, that`s it… don`t you f*** around now. you kids, man! you got somebody you can….
ron: junior is gonna be with me forever….til the day I die… even if he`s got to go with
me like that. (sirens wailing)….til` the day i die, daddy`s little boy.
(showing off tattoos)
cobra: that`s junior?
ron: that`s junior… daddy`s little boy!
(sirens wailing)
cobra: hey, another mother ****** you can investigate!
ron: …and daddy`s little girl….Haliegh…
cobra: with a capital H… what`s that all about? I thought it was just regular spellin`…
spell it like that HAY-LEE? I mean with a capital L… two separate names like HAI-LIEGH?
ron: well, actually that`s how it was supposed to be spelled on the birth certificate and i think they f**** it up!
cobra: oh
ron: …but lemme tell you this. that one right there…
cobra: tryin` to read it, man?
ron: H-A-L-I-E-G-H?
cobra: that`s it!
ron: let me tell you something…
cobra: betcha it hurt like a m****f***** gettin it
ron: Crystal….yeah… but Crystal was titty feeding Haliegh when I got this one….
How come hers is just now gettin` on her back?
(end of audio)
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackCan’t wait to listen. Good people in Maine!
Ron got that name wrong, it’s actually Joe Lee Harvey Overstreet.
WOW. Thanks to the three who transcribed the tapes.
Now that I’ve heard the story about Hank, Sr. forcibly confronting Joe over stealing Ron’s gun, I can see how that would be motive for Joe to retaliate against Ron by taking Haleigh. I had never heard that before. If Hank punched him,(POW)that could certainly have enraged Joe.
I’m impressed that Hank Sr. also returned the gun Tommy had stolen from his blind neighbor. He may be into his meds, but in his own way, he’s a more accountable person than I thought he would be.I read that in another article; just can’t remember where right now.
For those of you who listened to the tapes, when Ron says he’s afraid of Joe, does it sound sincere? Glib? Any impressions? First he says Joe’s a little thing and he’d break him in two if he hit him, so he would just like to crush the bones in his hands so he can’t steal from anybody else. THEN he says he’s SCARED of him, twice. So many mixed signals.
Also, am I to understand that the day Haleigh goes missing, is the day Ron and Crystal had a court date about child support? Now I can see why some people feel the Sheffields spirited her away.
Things just get curiouser and curiouser!
Why did the tapes end when Ron started talking about him and Crystal getting into an argument right before Haleigh went missing??
Someone in chat asked the question if Ron was referring to harming Jr or taking him out with him when Ron said Jr will be with me to my death.
Cobra said NO Ron was talking about the tatoo’s of Jr and Haleigh – basically meaning they are in my heart and permanently inked to my body and will be on me and in my heart until I die. Ron was NOT acting like he was going to kill himself nor Junior per Cobra.
Wow! But I hate to say this but no where in this does it even come close to insinuating that Ron is contemplating suicide and taking Jr with him. “That if he can`t have Jr then no one will” like has been posted on here recently. But then again its open for interpretation, but that`s my opinion. It seems he might be overly protective of his son since the events of Haleigh`s disappearance. But like I said JMO.
lol cobra did Crystal,or her Attorny KP have you on speed dial????????
Wonder if as many people tuned into the show as expected?
Sounds like more & more people think Ron was involved. I still don”t want to think that way. Maybe due to his lifestyle, but I can’t look at him and believe he hurt his daughter.
Southern folks talk differently. I don’t see the big deal about him saying “my daughter’ rather than her name. I say my daughter, or my son. I sure hope I’m not judged by that.
Major point made by Cobra on blog radio; this recording was less than 2 months after HaLeigh had gone missing and Ron is speaking of HaLeigh as if she is already presumed dead.
are these tapes admissable? where are the tapes of cobra and crystal? cobra and misty? cobra and everybody else? at this point the guilty parties will not serve time..it will end in mistrial because of the BS that has been reported, said, stated, recorded and videotaped. i want to see justice for Haleigh. at this point all suspects and their lawyers can contend misrepresentation, unlawful interrogtion, interrogation without representation and mental incompetency. oj’s glove, texasmommy and tobias …sorry. i believe in all your theories but at this point its moot; media bloggers and tapes have killed any justice for Haleigh. Unless of course LE is WAY more on top of this than i think they are. does the release of these tapes or cobra posting here violate terms of his probation? i hope not, his methods are/were flawed but his heart was in the right place.
IMO IMO IMO IMO
anyone else loose the show?
Treece–thanks for clearing that up. I never quite understood where some posters got the suicide theory from. JMO
Dang what did I do now?
plzstfu–Your post was spot on. I was thinking that all along! I don`t know laws as pertaining to Florida, but I would think if any of these pople get arrested, this would be a defense lawyer`s “dream”. Too much info that has been “leaked” to the media for an on air conviction of people that have not been charged with a crime is in my opinion shameful and ludricrous, and in no way helps in finding justice for Haleigh! I am amazed that it has been allowed to go on and like you, I think it screams for a mistrial if and when it goes to trial.
Very interesting that NG would have given Ron her personal cel #, and according to her its not her first rodeo dealing with drug users LOL. She has dug a deep hole for herself wonder how she will get out?
I still have this feeling that Ron is involved and Misty is stuck holding the bag and she is so in love(infatuation) with Ron she doesnt realize he has set her up for the fall. He keeps her under control through his lawyer saying he isnt mad(oh no not that) he is dis appointed (really would you be this if it were your child?) If I was fooled by her I would be furious at her and myself. jmo
I’m gonna say it again so it’s clear……. The police have no clue who took this girl, nor do they have a clue if she is dead or alive.
They have been stuck to this group of 3 or 4 ppl to the exclusion of anyone else. They haven’t been able to get any NEW information from these suspects because there isn’t any. Now they are usingthe media to try and stir them into slipping up. Only they can’t slip up, because none of them honestly and truly know where the little girl went, they don’t know what happened.
If it weren’t for Nancy grace, art Harris or this website, Haleigh’s killer would probably have been found by now. sensationalizing this crime and it’s investigation has done nothing but make the crime next to impossible to solve.
How’s that for a BOMBSHELL ?
plzstfu, robin, I think you might be right. It’s not helping find Haleigh.
We would all like to have information, but it needs to be fact. I don’t think the bloggers are so much a problem unless people can’t think for themselves, but Nancy Grace and company is not helping anymore except keeping her name in the news. That’s all I give them credit for. Nancy sure doesn’t have TJ on anymore, does she?
These players are already convicted in the media when fact is none of us know for sure what happened. Just a lot of speculation. I’ve had my theories as well, but to be honest I’ve been back & forth with it because I’m not sure of the facts and I’m not a detective. Surely LE is not telling all they know. I think they want to make a solid case before they make a move.
I think the reason they did that search wasnt on someones word it was on proof or evidence given to them that was found on that Monday when they took Tommy to the boat ramp. Then they proceeded to do the search. Also that evidence led them to believe Haleigh was dead. They had this before the search started and the family was told this before the search was started. I think they knew a lot before the drug sting and thats why the three are in jail.
jmo
tobias, The search started at 10 am that morning and the family was asked to meet Sheriff Hardy at 1pm, not before the search started.
Whats up with the two different stories about Rons gun? Misty says she found it in the culvert and Ron says he went and found it. Why is there two stories about that? Dont you see they cant even tell the truth about something that simple. How can LE tell which story to believe? They have spun and spun them that its hard to tell who to believe. I dont believe any of them, they are all in it up to their eyes.jmo
stormgardner said,in April 25th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
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im to the point of dipping out of following this case here. since the hit on the dumpster is when i started reading this blog (no others (fu_k ws, sm, etc). this case is fu_ked start to finish and so is Haleigh’s justice. I am now to the point of just waiting for real media to report the outcome. and i stand by what i say that not all guilty parties will be convicted because of the legal representation/media/muddying of the facts (AH small dick, NG huge ego). i can only hope LE has more than they seem to be reaching for/have proof of. so sad. sad sad sad. our theories mean fu_k all.
i will take a beating for saying this….up until recently i have respected this site for keeping Haleigh in the spotlight, i feel now that it is just another site looking for a bombshell. jan and simon, thx for all your efforts but now the line has been crossed.
the cobra tape releases muddy everything but create alot of views. yes, this is a blog but this is your site and some sort of indifference should be maintained.
imo imo imo imo
*lurk off forever*
WOW, after listening to the BNN show I am even more convinced Ron knew before the 911 call. I had already heard that Ron had Mz. Nancy’s cell number from a impeccicable source and this source told even more chit about what “they ” knew………..nice to hear it confirmed.
Glad Peter and Cobra felt the same way about Ron’s past tense use of HaLeigh and never mentioning her by name. No doubt we already knew he was violent, and most likely very abusive to the women in his life, probably due to being abandoned by his mom so early in life.
misty woke up and haleigh was gone..period.
LE bungled this case from the git and now are trying to cover their arse by putting the squeeze (torture) on any and everybody..LE has CREATED all these red herrings by forcing the players to say ANYTHING to stop the TORTURE!
Disgraceful, SHAME ON LE!!
It cost PCSD a lot of cash to do that search for the 3 days and now they’ve transported all the goons to PCSD for holding. Ron was the only one there now Tommy and Misty are there now. What’s up with that? I wonder if the cops aren’t getting their info from someone that you would least expect it from? Maybe someone that’s trying to get this whole thing cleared up and get the family out of it once and for all. Peace for everyone and justice for HaLeigh. Wasn’t it reported that the Croslin’s wanted to move up to the northeast with Timmy and his family? Just maybe, someone is seeing the light.
I can’t imagine bloggers would have an impact on this in anyway. The situation in the Anthony case was with the Judge and a supposed personal relationship with a guy who ran a website but, that was crap. The defense is grasping for a life line there and they shot themselves in the foot.
JMO
SAD!!!! SAD!!!! Where is the TRUTH and JUSTICE for HALEIGH?
Everything is tweaked to fit each persons agenda.
Very informative show today. Thank you.
As for me and when I first spoke of what Ron was saying about Jr. I did not mention suicide at all, although others may have considered the possibility quite easily based on what was said.
…Just saying.
The fact that he mentioned “going out” at all is what threw me on that. Why even think such a thought when your first concern is in finding your missing Child?
Ron’s overall demeanor in general is what sent up all kinds of red flags for me.
Tuff Stuff said,in April 25th, 2010 at 6:16 pm Very informative show today. Thank you.
As for me and when I first spoke of what Ron was saying about Jr. I did not mention suicide at all, although others may have considered the possibility quite easily based on what was said.
…Just saying.
The fact that he mentioned “going out” at all is what threw me on that. Why even think such a thought when your first concern is in finding your missing Child?
Ron’s overall demeanor in general is what sent up all kinds of red flags for me
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I may disagree with Cobra on that one, remember what he told Tim Miller, how he’d blow out Misty’s brains, and then his and take OTHERS out with him…….thank God JR’s away from him, and I agree tons of red flags
As for the interpretation that some had that Ron might have been suicidal, I had that interpretation. And I still do! He was clearly hurting and believed his child was dead. A person could easily entertain suicidal thoughts in that situation. I do not believe his statement was a flat out admission but I see it as a hint, a cry for help. And yes, even a thug like RC might be capable of feeling vulnerable given the circumstances.
I have never felt RC harmed Haleigh and I still do not believe he did so. I have questioned my own opinion on this very briefly, but very soon disregarded the thought. IMO, RC’s lifestyle did play a large part in Haleigh’s demise, at the very least because of the people he associated with and allowed around his children. I believe RC himself may feel some guilt over this.
I do not believe RC was ever scared of Joe and on tape when he said he was scared, I believe he really was scared of his own feelings and of having no healthy outlet for his grief.
The above is my opinion and is in no way intended to bash RC.
Consider this…
Snipped from the transcript of the tape with Cobra and Ron’s discussion:
“ron: junior is gonna be with me forever….til the day I die… even if he`s got to go with
me like that. (sirens wailing)….til` the day i die, daddy`s little boy.
(showing off tattoos)
cobra: that`s junior?
ron: that`s junior… daddy`s little boy!”
If Jr. is going to be with his Daddy til the day he dies, even if he has to go out like that then what about little Haleigh?
Haleigh was his heart I thought?
Tuff Stuff said,in April 25th, 2010 at 6:36 pm Consider this…
Snipped from the transcript of the tape with Cobra and Ron’s discussion:
“ron: junior is gonna be with me forever….til the day I die… even if he`s got to go with
me like that. (sirens wailing)….til` the day i die, daddy`s little boy.
(showing off tattoos)
cobra: that`s junior?
ron: that`s junior… daddy`s little boy!”
If Jr. is going to be with his Daddy til the day he dies, even if he has to go out like that then what about little Haleigh?
Haleigh was his heart I thought?
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Very true, but men tend to take out everyone when they go out, and women just kill themselves.
cathartic, I hadn’t really thought about the suicide thing with Ron before, but it’s quite possible. The man has had his heart ripped out of his chest while still trying to maintain his tough guy attitude. I think I related to your post because I too started to question my feeling about Ron being involved.
All I had to do was look at the video on youtube again. Seeing him with Haleigh breaks my heart. You can tell he loves Haleigh very much. Just the way they smiled at each other.
I think I should probably get away from this for a few days. It’s taking up a lot of time, but I’m so concerned about Haleigh and it’s driving me crazy not knowing where she is. I just can’t bash her family without knowing for sure. They are going through something no parent or grandparent should have to endure.
I wish someone asked Peter Hyatt about the comment the father said in the interview “I’d give my life for my child’s life back.” !!!
Anyone want to comment on the father telling the story he bought a beer at 3am ??? Don’t know if Putnam Co. stores at that hour follow the LAW in Florida that you can’t buy beer after 2am ???!!!
heyitsmekelly said,in April 25th, 2010 at 6:55 pm I wish someone asked Peter Hyatt about the comment the father said in the interview “I’d give my life for my child’s life back.” !!!
Anyone want to comment on the father telling the story he bought a beer at 3am ??? Don’t know if Putnam Co. stores at that hour follow the LAW in Florida that you can’t buy beer after 2am ???!!!
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I agree, but he did state that using thr child’s name in past tense =’s knowing the child IS dead, and he stated that Ron was very deceptive, dangerous and violent. But I’ve always thought that IMO
So, when will the audio tape of Ron and Mz. Nancy talking on the phone be posted here at BNN for all to hear! Hopefully this one won’t have so much background noise. 😛 You are going to release, aren’t ya Cobra? Ya can’t leave us hangin for that BOMBSHELL!
I’ve got to get something done besides be on the pc. I’ll probably be running in & out because I want to hear some input on what others thought after the show today.
Can someone give me some input what they think about Grandma Hollers? I’m just baffled by her. If they all know they are being recorded, why would they tell her such a story if there weren’t some truth in it. I wish they would verify these things before it’s released. What a horrible thing to have to hear about your child/grandchild. They must already have the most awful things going through their head, then to hear this? This should be kept out of the media until it’s verified.
I just wish this circus would end.
Jay–I think the same way.They have no idea but when you FOCUS on certain people then you lose the objectivity to carry on a unbiased investigation. IMO Yes, they are dealing with liars and drug addicts. And I do believe they would sell out their own mother/father to reach their ultimate goal–to gain their freedom. But WITHOUT EVIDENCE there will be no arrests, because frankly LE needs corroboration of what happened– not eyewitness testimony from one or more alleged suspects, already retained on drug charges. I also think if LE HAD any then there would be someone charged, and as of right now NO ONE has been. LE has been grasping at straws for 14 months. Like I have said many times before, there crucial mistake is “clearing” the SOs in the area and claiming this COULD NOT be a stranger abduction. Right now, THE WORLD SHOULD BE A SUSPECT, not just the tiny few they have been focused on aince early on, at the expense of all the other likely suspects. I think whoever said “It would be someone that we least likely expect” is spot on! I just don’t think it will be Misty, Tommy, Joe, or Ron. But that’s my opinion, and I am not a detective, nor do I envy the position they are in right now! JMO
I do have a question about the tapes? Where they given to LE? I did not hear the show and I am sure it was covered! Sorry! TIA
what’s the deal with the toes or tools and ron pulling his pants down?
someone is saying at another site that he was shooting between his toes and showed cobra his whatever. Is that true?
Stormgardner:
IMO, Grandma Hollars should not have made public statements about what she has heard from her grandchildren or anyone else. I do believe she is not holding anything back and at the very least if she felt compelled to go public, she should have held some of it back. I think she is repeating everything she has been told about what happened that night; the question is who told her all these things? Maybe Tommy or Misty, or both–but maybe she got some info from other sources as well. We don’t know yet, because we have no way to know her sources.
Tommy’s attorney claims Tommy never told Granny any of that stuff; he insists Tommy called her only to get a message to other family members that at the time did not have minutes on their phones. Granny did have minutes so she was the only person he could call. TC may have in fact told Granny a lot and his attorney is just in defense mode at this time, or TC may have told Granny nothing. I have little doubt Misty has told Granny quite a bit, much of it lies, IMO.
But, either way, it was not a wise move for Granny to go on TV with any of this. IMO, it compromises the investigation and could down the road make getting a conviction extremely difficult (if charges are ever filed and this ever goes to trial).
There is so much BS flying around that it will be very difficult to prove what is truth and what is fiction. One thing for sure, the phone calls were recorded so LE knows what T or M did or did not tell Granny.
As I see it, the only way Haleigh will ever get justice is if LE has some very solid evidence that no one knows about but LE. That is possible, I suppose. Time will tell.
JMO.
Cobra should think before he speaks as hard as that is for him.
RC got both tattoos the same day. A legitimate media video proves this.
I saw the laughs in chat after Cobra referred to his girlfriend as his girlfriend. According to Peter’s absolutes, it is a fact that Cobra abuses her.
I also molest my daughter according to these same absolutes. There are reasons that Statement Analysis is a bunch of BS.
Hello ….()…. Cruel World!!
Great show But I lost it at th end.
I had some questions: when I was at Shell Harbour, around 2:30am they pulled out some clothing, wht looked like small items (maybe a kids) HAS their been anything on tht??… I haven’t chked th news.
…but honestly they might of solved th case on th show today. Awsome guest!
I’m so disgusted hearing this audio.El Salvadorian MS13 and Mexican gangs here cut off even teens hands and to hear RC talk about this is disgusting.How could someone even think of cutting someone’s hands off or crushing them?He’s a loud mouth smart azz punk and before I’d believe a SO,I’d believe someone took her that had something against him.Something is very wrong,I’d even venture to question if Joe is just a scapegoat.Misty said she found the gun in a culver pipe,RC says he did.Why did he take it and clean it up,why is he even bringing Orlando up in that conversation?Why did Misty say they went to GGM’s house that morning for HaLiegh’s clothes,but RC said he took her to the busstop?
The ‘Cobra Tapes’ reinforce my belief that Ron suspected Joe from the time he got home from work and found out Haleigh was missing.
Ron wasn’t afraid ‘to break Joe in two’, but was ‘scared’ of what he thought Joe did to Haleigh.
Wow, Armando, now THAT is news!
Can you tell us more? Thanks!
I have been following this whole case avidly, and know who the players are, but where did Cobra come from in the first place, and is he just a civilian vigilante or what? Also, if these tapes were made two months after Haleigh went missing, why is Ronald in jail? I thought he just got arrested 3 months ago on the drug thing. I watch JVM and NG but just discovered this site. I am from Florida, and lots of rural people there do talk this casual/cuss way. It’s just the way it is. I heard it described as a low emotional IQ, which sounds right to me. And Granny Flo! She will drop from the airwaves, as she should have after about her third crazy theory. NG and JVM remind me of sharks when they talk to that woman…She should never have been on TV. No wonder the cops aren’t even returning her calls. Original question: Who is Cobra? Please respond, somebody. Thanks.
Jay said,
in April 25th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
I’m gonna say it again so it’s clear……. The police have no clue who took this girl, nor do they have a clue if she is dead or alive.
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Jay, I’m gonna say this to you so it’s clear: YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!
Watch and wait.
Cobra is a private investigator/bounty hunter
WHAT said,
in April 25th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
what’s the deal with the toes or tools and ron pulling his pants down?
someone is saying at another site that he was shooting between his toes and showed cobra his whatever. Is that true?
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Yes its true. It sounded like Ron was showing Cobra underneath his scrotum to show him that there weren’t any track marks.
A lot of junkies will shoot up in that place and between the toes so that track marks aren’t seen easily.
I find the father’s defenders as being totally blind from REALITY and beyond any COMMON SENSE !!! SIMON I would like you to have Peter Hyatt analyze this interview by the father with reporters on 2/10/10 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIJOgHjRTDo&feature=related
Also I would like Peter analyze this interview by the ex-newlyweds :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-z6jX8Xvmc&feature=PlayList&p=C91E6626B02F7187&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=6
Thanks !!!
@ 7:59 is IMO, of course. I take it as Ron was ‘scared’ of Joe because he thought it probable Joe killed Haleigh and dumped her in the alligator infested water.
Ron said: “Joe said the corridor would be the perfect place to kill somebody … dump them right in the water … let the alligators take care of the rest”. “Do I think that`s where my daughter`s at? Probably.”
I think that when 911 was called, Ron already suspected Joe took Haleigh.
SEMI-PROSTITUTION!!! I think Ron used Misty to get new ‘pill’ customers. That’s why he’s not mad. Instead of taking money like a pimp, i’ll bet he ‘let’ her do her own thing bcz she would bring in new paying ‘pill’ clients. Instead of straight pimping her for cash he ‘allowed’ her to wander for pill clientele. Notice how he let her ‘ do her thing’ even in the undercover tapes. She was the best trained’worker’ he ever had. He didn’t even have to get out of the car, other than to jump into the frontseat ! (speculative opinion.)
… wouldn’t be surprised if the party house actually happened that night ( good way to sell some pills to a bunch of people ) , JO might have picked up misty and drove to the party in the van and haleigh was left in the car with misty’s bed blanket to keep her warm ( reason for her blanket being in the van) but pilled her up to keep her asleep then haleigh ‘did’ accidentally od. She might have realized it after they drove back home to drop Misty off and she went to carry her inside. She makes a call to WBG at the party to ask for his help also. ( pytko acknowledges something happening with an od and a few ppl helping but doesnt know the details)… tommy happens to stop by to check on misty bcz ron calls… he stumbles upon all this ( they tell him about the accidental od )and he doesn’t want his sister getting in trouble for murder over an ‘accident’ so he becomes involved and ppl dont want him talking since he was not directly involved ( hence the headless rat telling him not to rat them out or bad things will happen )… after a few weeks ron finds out from misty what happened and that it was all ‘an accident’. he doesn’t want his’precious litte pill dealing gf’ to go to jail since it was ‘acciodental’ plus the drugs/pills that she died on were his, so he can’t talk now either or he might ‘ end up charged’ for indirectly causing her death. Now several ‘ zombie pill’ takers/dealers are involved. everyone needs to stay quiet but mr. pytko ( and his affidavit ) already set the truth in motion. Two tralers of ppl in shock and wondering what to do next and staying quiet only to save themselves from getting ‘drug’ charges. Noone wants to be involved or known to be at that ‘pill’ party.
.. misty won’t allow the re-enactment bcz ” he’s onto THEM ALL or y’all”… very revealing statements ! ( just my theory )
I’m sorry that interview with the father was taken the afternoon of 2/10/09 !!! Where the father say “I’d give my life for my child’s life back.” at the 1:04 mark !!! Thanks !!!
I’ve been trying to explain wht I saw. But I haven’t been given th chance..I guess.
Levi’s show should be interesting tonight.
Everyone that Nancy Grace talks over, disrespects, and is just plain rude to is on Levi’s talk show tonight @ 10. It will be nice to actually hear these people finish a sentence or complete a thought verbally. WOW! BOMBSHELL!
The Real Armando said,in April 25th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
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I would very much like to hear what you saw, Armando, as I’m sure many others would. Thank you!
What was LE’s version of the boy’s ( jr.) demeanor when they arrived? Groggy half awake like he just woke up?… Slept through all the commotion as if ‘doped’ to sleep… or completely alert as if he never had been sleeping?
The Real Armando said,in April 25th, 2010 at 7:46 pm Hello ….()…. Cruel World!!
Great show But I lost it at th end.
I had some questions: when I was at Shell Harbour, around 2:30am they pulled out some clothing, wht looked like small items (maybe a kids) HAS their been anything on tht??… I haven’t chked th news.
…but honestly they might of solved th case on th show today. Awsome guest
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Why would you not of shared this the day it happened? Why wait 10 or more days after the items where found and the search is over?
What’s up with that seemingly etraneous information about a drug dealer named Orlando having social security numbers that are ‘only a couple numbers off’ from the Orlando whom is Ron’s ‘best friend’?
How would Ron know the drug dealer Orlando’s social security number?
Orlando’s probably the’ higher up’ with the bigger shipments who Ron gets his ‘portions to deal’ from! he knows too much about some guy with the same name and ss numbers of ppl who he claims not to know. probably a second alias of the same guy.
Edit @ 8:35: eXtraneous. Ron seems to be telling Cobra that he doesn’t personally know the Putnam County drug dealer Orlando, but he does know that the drug dealer’s SSN is a couple numbers off from his friend Orlando’s.
Why, and how, would he know the drug dealer’s SSN?
Wouldn’t be surprised if the trip to FLA by Jo was for a ‘pickup’ or ‘drop-off’ of some ‘pills’ to deal across state lines where there’s higher prices by demand. ( just speculation )
Yea, I caught that too. Especially when Ron didn’t even know HaLeigh’s date of birth.
The issue brought up about the track marks was that Ron shoots between his toes. The weight gain is obvious since his incarceration, no drugs.
Something was also brought up, not today, about them crushing the oxy pills and using HaLeigh’s inhalers to inhale the drugs. Not sure about that. That was another scenario about how HaLeight could have possibly overdosed accidentally.
if theres one thing this case IS about its the amount of drugs/pills being supplied or distributed from this town of ‘zombies’. IMO, if LE could just figure out the direction these pills are traveling ( either to or from ) than I think they could figure this case out much easier. JMO.
stilllucy, nice observation on how the od could’ve occured ! using his daughters inhaler to do drugs would be easy motivation to keep quiet. even indirectly, that would make him culpable in her death.
Something 7:
Do you have anything on the identity of Joe’s girlfriend who drove the Cadillac?
According to Ron, she was wherever Joe thought Ron’s gun was (when Ron came around the corner from his room).
no clue, i lose the story there !
Someone on another thread mentioned the name name jenny ? something ! Obviously LE must’ve questioned her already, just wondering what they uncovered about that ‘planned’ trip and what it was for and how they got the money to travel across a few states. (did these ppl even work?)
Possible explanation: In the past LE went to arrest Ron’s ‘best friend’ Orlando, then realized when they checked his SSN that he was not the drug dealer whom they intended to arrest.
LE may have told Ron’s friend Orlando that his SS numbers were just a few off from the drug dealer Orlando’s, and then Orlando told Ron.
HGmom did you catch TJ’s comment that Steven K. Brown previously worked for Crystal? I will listen again in the morning, but, know you are problebly on the transcript as I ask. TIA
On one of the ‘Cobra tapes’, Ron related to Cobra that Tim Croslin woke up at 1:00 am.
But, on NG the other day, Chelsea Croslin said she was up until 1:00 am while Tim was already in bed.
Texasmommy
how would u like me
to do tht on these comment boards. I’m on my phone and it takes a year to scroll down. I would love to share wht I saw.
Thts y I asked abt th clothes tht were pulled out of th river. Around 2:30am. I saw thm pull out th bones but I “guess” they weren’t human. Also something was being held by a floating device. But was never pulled out tht night. And th next morning there was nobody there. No cops no media. No one.
Idk.
Cadillac’s are the chosen ride of middle-aged and older people, aren’t they?
Or, is the Cadillac marketed to young people Joe’s age now?
Of course, Joe’s girlfriend may be much older than he, or maybe she didn’t buy the Cadillac (instead, it may have been given to her), or perhaps the Cadillac she was driving belongs to someone else.
texasmommy39 said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:11 pm HGmom did you catch TJ’s comment that Steven K. Brown previously worked for Crystal? I will listen again in the morning, but, know you are problebly on the transcript as I ask. TIA
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From Steve Brown:
The recent developments are the work of a 10 month investigation by a retired FBI agent, Steve Brown, who is working for Crystal Sheffield.
“Monday was the culmination of this 10-month investigation I’ve been doing,” said Steve Brown, now a private investigator working for Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield. “We presented this to the Putnam Country Sheriff’s Office and the FDLE, and with their cooperation, finally got the final details of what transpired in that trailer on Feb. 9th (2009).”
Joe’s girlfriend hasn’t stepped forward to give him an alibi, such as ‘WE were together all evening, and went to bed at ___,’.
If she’s his girlfriend, visiting Satsuma for the first time, then why hasn’t she come forward to explain where she and Joe were, and what they did Febr 9 – 10.
Chelsea confirms Joe was at her house the morning of February 10, but never mentioned his girlfriend.
Where was his girlfriend? She gave him a ride back to TN later in the day, right?
Joe’s girlfriend drove a Cadillac, but was it an old ‘beater’ Cadillac, or a late model?
If a late model, maybe she is the drug connection.
One question:
Texasmommy39….How is it that you have ALL the inside details of the CUmmings side? How is it that you know the EXACT time that the “family” was asked to come to LE offices????? No body else knows the exact time….
From the transcripts, doesn’t sound as though Ron trusted Joe’s girlfriend.
Holly, what do you think about tell-all Chelsea failing to mention anything about Joe’s girlfriend?
Hollys Gmom said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:50 pm One question:
Texasmommy39….How is it that you have ALL the inside details of the CUmmings side? How is it that you know the EXACT time that the “family” was asked to come to LE offices????? No body else knows the exact time….
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Can you ask her if she is so close and seems to have all the inside info, what was Ron doing the days before HaLeigh “wuz stolen” and who watched the kids on those days? OOPS-one more, if Annettes Sykes was so mad about Misty ditching Ron with no childcare that weekend and was upset that she was back at the house, why in the he77 didn’t she take those two babies home with her? Again it makes no sense to me.
Maybe Joe’s girlfriend isn’t giving him an alibi because she didn’t stay with him during the visit. Maybe she was taking care of important business elsewhere.
Joe’s GF is Jennifer Allen. Often times people will borrow a nicercar for a road trip. The trip from Tenessee to Satsuma is approx 12 hours ONE way. It would not be uncommon for someone to borrow a luxury car for a trip like that. Also, while in Satsuma, Jennifer & Joe went in seperate directions. She apparently had family or friends she was visiting (quite possibly further South). It is mentioned that Joe called her to come & get him, so she obviously was not there. Not Feb 09, 2009 anyway. She didn’t arrive until mid-day Feb 10.
Armando;
Thank you for sharing. I could tell by a post or two you had made recently (since river search) that you had witnessed something very disturbing and quite telling as far as Haleigh’s case is concerned. Just a feeling I got from what I read. I have been waiting to hear just what that disturbing matter was. Being the “man on the ground” for that search took a toll on you. Thank you for your efforts. They will not be in vain.
Whatever Steve Brown knows he thinks it happened before midnight.
The 9th and the 10th are critical in the timeline and he doesn’t even mention the 10th.
Annette Sykes didn’t say on NG that anyone else was with her when she dropped off Haleigh and Butterbean’s laundry.
Misty didn’t say Annette was at the MH Febr. 10, so I wonder if there really was someone else with her, as has been rumored.
If so, that person corroborating what Annette says would lead us to ponder why Misty failed to tell that Annette Sykes was at the MH.
Annette previously said she didn’t want Misty back at the MH, but didn’t feel it was her place to tell Ron what to do [paraphrased].
I suspect the children stayed with Annette during Misty’s three-day abscence, and Annette has said she did not want Ron to let Misty come back.
When Annette dropped off the laundry, were harsh words exchanged between Misty and Annette? Maybe not, as Annette may have been keeping her cool out of respect for Ron’s desire to continue a relationship with Misty.
Rumor has been that it was the other way around – Teresa offering to pay Misty, but Flora said MISTY OFFERED TO PAY TERESA TO BABYSIT.
Well, maybe. Misty may have wanted to babysit Chelsea and Tim’s children while they drove to the hospital to pick up Hank and Lisa.
Does Armando not have a computer? Why mention those things now? HMMM
Just the other day, he posted and said the search and him going there was a WASTE… he used the word waste.
fake armando?
The Cadillac might have even been a rental, Holly.
The mans talking about stuttering or repeating your word 3 tims maens anxiety–Go to the top,an read back on Cobras ,an Ron conversations on both threads.Thanks Hollysgmom,an the there 2 weh took the time,to listen an an get them down for Simone to put up.
Notice Cobras words he several times repeats the same word 3 times in a sentence,as studdering.He shows anxiety if this man,speaking today is correct on what he says about watching peoples speach.Ron says his at least 2 times,some 3 .But most 2 times,when hes starting sentences,(studdering)
But, of course we do not know if the Cadillac belonged to Jennifer, was rented, or borrowed.
We don’t even know what she was doing, opr where she was, while Joe was vacationing (with his girlfriend) in Satsuma!
Hollys Gmom said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:50 pm One question:
Texasmommy39….How is it that you have ALL the inside details of the CUmmings side? How is it that you know the EXACT time that the “family” was asked to come to LE offices????? No body else knows the exact time….
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http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6823795.php
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http://www.news4jax.com/news/23160821/detail.html
Snipped by mefrom link above:
Hardy said he met with members of Haleigh Cummings’ family Tuesday afternoon, but he would not say what he told them. Haleigh’s great-grandmother Annette Sykes told Channel 4 after the sheriff’s announcement Thursday that that’s what he told the family. Still, she said she will hold out hope that Haleigh is alive.
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HGmom, what has got your panties in a wad? I am a nobody just like you.
If you need any more help finding the info let me know.
Grandma Sykes’ exact words were that “we” dropped off the laundry not “I”. Someone was with her. She doesn’t strike me as the kind of woman that would hold her tongue if she had something to say. She raised her children and then her grandchildren and low and behold has been stuck with the responsibility of stepping in to help raise her great-grandchildren. The guilt she must be feeling for leaving that little girl with Misty that night. Or did she?
just one said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:57 pm Hollys Gmom said,in April 25th, 2010 at 9:50 pm One question:
Texasmommy39….How is it that you have ALL the inside details of the Cummings side? How is it that you know the EXACT time that the “family” was asked to come to LE offices????? No body else knows the exact time….
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Can you ask her if she is so close and seems to have all the inside info, what was Ron doing the days before HaLeigh “wuz stolen” and who watched the kids on those days? OOPS-one more, if Annette’s Sykes was so mad about Misty ditching Ron with no childcare that weekend and was upset that she was back at the house, why in the he77 didn’t she take those two babies home with her? Again it makes no sense to me.
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I am not Nancy Drew for hire people and I do not do free research for people who would rather read what any yahoo will write and say. I recomend you do it your self.
This forum was a place I enjoyed reading and participating in, but, since I am the punching bag for the moment, because my opinion differs, it is not enjoyable any longer. I think I will just stand my ground and take the heat until HaLeigh has justice, nothing more and nothing less, so get off my back and respect my right to post my opinion or what ever else I chose to post. Jan is an excellent Moderator and will take me in hand if she feels the need..
stillucy, just a few days ago she said “Um, I stopped by about 7:30 to drop off some laundry that I had done” (on NG 4/22). She doesn’t say anyone else is with her.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzW6osVjLJY&feature=related
How the heck did Ron ever understand what Cobra was saying between all the doggggs and cuss words. One thing I noticed is that Ron sure seemed to sidestep the issue of the scratched van and the branches of the bush by his trailer. Also, he’s scared of Joe! He wasn’t so afraid when he was threatening to totally disfigure and disable his hands.
Sierra1947’s YouTube channel reported an hour ago that Flora is hospitalized, possibly for a stroke.
I’m no reporter I have said wht I saw. On these coment boards.
And yeah I have a computer hahaha unfortunately I’m on th road right now.
Fake Armando? OJ good one. Those two words dont go together.
One more time: Fri afternoon divers called for floaters and they left something there floating. Later tht night/morning around 2:30 – 3:00am the pulled out from tht same spot at least three articles of clothing. I wasn’t close enough to see colors or what they were. I just know it was clothes. And they didn’t look big.
Mind u tht was at 2:30am….I was there at tht time …should of been home with my family…so HOLLYGMOM ur right!!!!!! It was disturbing and it has taken it’s toll…..I love my kids and wife…thts all!!!…
If ur asking y am I saying this now, Im not. Read my previous posts. Since the day I left for SH.
Thts y I asked if anything was brought up abt th clothes tht were found….I guess not.
PCSD have stated that they will not release any info relating to any that was or was not recovered from the dive concerning the ongoing investigation.
This is the first we are hearing about it. I am sorry last weeks show was a big disappointment to many IMO, because we where not able to hear you update us on your trip to satsuma. I want to thank you personaly and hope your family is proud of you and your kind heart.
TX
thank u. I thought the same thing.
After wht I saw and expirienced I just want to embrace my children and love my wife with every bit of me. Nothing else matters at this point. Not my career or money or anything. I am fully devoted to my family. And Haleigh has played a big part in tht. Not tht I wasn’t b4, but my love has been enforced from this.
Haleigh is not here because she failed to b loved by her parents. Tht is perhaps the biggest message tht could ever b given to a parent.
Love your children. B part of their lives. Like I tell mine, “I am ur best friend, ur big brother, and ur father” u have to be all three. There’s no such thing as a perfect parent…we can just do our best!
it was stranger abduction..
polly klas – stranger abduction from her bed
elizabeth smart – stranger abduction from her bed
jon benet ramsey – stranger abduction from her bed
HALEIGH CUMMINGS – STRANGER ABDUCTION from her bed..
Misty was asleep as were all the parents of the above.
Armando
What is a floater you are referring to and how is it used? Sorry I don’t know anything about diving or underwater searches. The search went on all night/early morning? Thanks for that, local media stated they did not search all night, just that the search area was secured but I realize the media isn’t always correct.
The search ended Thursday sometime after Sheriff Hardy gave his statement to the public so how could what you observed happen at 2:30 am Friday? Was LE fibbing? Thanks for being our eyes and ears for the search. I can see how it would be difficult and emotionally draining for you.
Bless you!
Idk wht LE or th Media choose to disclose. Or if they’re waiting to reveal when they feel it’s apropriate.
I know what I saw. Wehn I left at 5am their was still ppl there. By 9am sat thry were gone.
Armando, I am sure PCSO knows what they are doing by not disclosing what items they found. That evidence needed to be tested and confirmed to be of value.
If the alleged items where clothing I am wondering how 14 months later they would still be in the same location in the river and recognizable after being in the siltthat long. Your ability to visible identified small items of clothing from a distance is remarkable?
texasmommy39-kudos to you…..some people on here are sooooo nasty. You could not have said it better…”I am nobody just like you”!!! These people have become so self important, like any theories they have, have not been conjured by the POLICE or FBI….They actually believe one of them will be credited with soloving this crime…LMAO!!! If you don’t agree, don’t come here is the mantra.
Nicole
get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!………..I’m not talking theories smart one but but facts tht I saw.
Th good thing is tht when it is revealed…ur tongues r gonna roll to th bak of ur mouths, and thn ull choke on em.
Ppl like u r th reason no one wants to get involved in this case.
Save some if those stones to throw at ur own house!!!!!!
RIP Haleigh!!!!!!!!!………thank u
Texas mommy
maybe they weren’t human clothes. And thnk u for ur aknowledment of my eYe sight. It is 20/20. If I held up ur shirt. Then held up a kids shirt. I think u might notice th diff.
And yes I was pretty close by.
“The Real Armando” Great Job, man! It’s hard when people try to tell you what u see when u know what u saw. Get it? I have 3 teenagers and they r constantly telling me that I am seeing things and I know that I am not blind!
The problem that PCSD is going to have is that search at the boat ramp is over 14 months old and basically a public place. That’s a lot of stuff to sift through and contamination of dna.
Great job, good luck and thank you
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