I am not sure what happened but I think we have located the missing file. This is a conversation between Tommy Croslin and his wife. It was recorded right after Tommy took the lie detector test.
I think it is fair to say that Lindsay is a little hot on the collar.
“All you f***ing Croslins are F***ing liarsâ€
What is clear is that Lindsay obviously knows some information about the LDT, but does not want to discuss it, Tommy on the other hand can not shut up. He even went on to say that the only real question they asked him was about knocking on the door the night that Haleigh Cummings disappeared. Lindsay snapped back “And you couldn’t even tell the truth about thatâ€.
Lindsay repeatedly tells Tommy to shut up, “We don’t want this out thereâ€, she is obviously referring to the fact that the conversation is being recorded.
It is very clear that Lindsay is absolutely at the end of her tether. The subject of knocking on the door seems to be eating Lindsay alive.
I am genuinely surprised that other media outlets have not leapt on this particular tape. Of all of the Jail house conversations I have listened to this is undoubtedly the most explosive.
You guys can be your perfect incestuous family
Simon Barrett
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Thanks for the tape.
LE is getting closer to nailing someone , I hope.
misty has a court date on the 6th. We’ll see if that includes a guilty plea on the dc’s.
Now the liar label is coming from inside the family.
I’m sure ng will jump on this now that simon has done her investigating for her.
Simon and Jan
Thank you both for giving us what no
other blog can. You both are great people,
I’m sure gonna have with drawls for not
getting a weekly fix of your radio program.
But I want you to have a great weekend and
a safe one.
Chelsea ‘just wants a reliable car’.
How about she would want to punish whoever did this to Haleigh?
Amazing how these people think.
Thanks Simon and Jan
Did Tommy call Haleigh his niece ?
Good afternoon. It is so painful to Listen to Lindsay. Sounds like she wants an entirely new life. Tommy is stupid and self-centered. I hope she gets far away and starts a good life.
Cricket said,in May 29th, 2010 at 11:25 am Did Tommy call Haleigh his niece ?
Thats what I heard.
I’ve had Lindsay’s back UNTIL I heard how hateful she is towards the dog…. that being said.. she is getting what she deserves. Now someone needs to let her out to pee and then put her back in her cage..
Someone that is so vindictive towards animals will only treat children the same way…..
Why would they have Tommy wired up and not ask the pertinent questions regarding Haleigh?
I also found it interesting when Tommy was asking if Lindsy spoke to Timmy and Chelsea. He then says, they tried me like they tried him.
Sounds like LE may be focusing on Timmy as well as Tommy.
I heard Tommy call Haleigh his niece. Lyndsey tells Tommy he should have been home with his wife and kids not hanging out with his little sister. I wonder if she was referring to the night Haleigh disappeared or the night getting pills for the UC?
Wow Lindsy saying “You guys can be your perfect incestuous family” speaks volumes! And I honestly think is goes from Hank Sr. on down!
Thats means something but I just don’t
No what.
WhyLie I got the same impression
Its a shame they’ve breeded like rabbits and have added 6 kids to the misery of their lives. I hops those little one have a good life. Their parents, not so much.
Chelsea and lindsy are something else. Two loser husbands and a pit bull. What a life.
LFJ,
Lindsy, also made a remark about incestuous tel
relationship.
Werter has told Lyndsey something and tells her he will be getting 3 years with time served. I think Tobias hit the nail on the head!! Lyndseys threat he had better get it together or he was only going to have His mom, dad and little sister really upset Tommy. He was desparate. He had to tell a story to get out of jail!!
I think Lindsy is suspecting Tommy in whatever happened to Haleigh. The phone call with GH when he was wanting his lawyer, first thing Lindsy asked was, was it you Tommy. That is very telling to me. His own wife thinking he is involved speaks volumes to me.
Yes WhyLie Lyndsey was suspecting Tommys involvement.
LFJ,
If Tommy were messing with Misty and her family
new and just pushed it aside like nothing happened.
maybe thats why she won’t say flat out won’t say that Tommy
did something to Haleigh,because her parents
won’t stand by her and throw her out like old
dish rag.
I think Tommy helped dispose of Haleigh and very possibile Timmy. Tommy agreed it is what Misty said happened, but that story it is not the truth
Wasn’t it said that Timmy did not pass his LDT?
WhyLie,
Tommy said that.
where was Tommy the night things happened? Did he have an alibi?
I think Lindsay is actually pretty smart and wanting to do the right thing… but she totally lost me when she talked so abusive about the dog….
also she just got a new tat with Tommy’s name on her arm… and now she is whining about money….
I am sure she is really indigent… and raising three children alone would be so difficult. Is she the one that also lives in the trailer park where Ronald lived?
Yes, Tommy said that Timmy did not pass an LDT, but he( Tommy) passed a VLT.
Cricket I am not sure about that. I see your point though. I think something happened and Haleigh died. Misty called for help of her brothers.
I think Lindsy was under the impression that whatever he told about HaLeigh, would set him free of the drug charges and he would be coming home.
are all these the same ?
all the tapes.
BAU, great too see you. I believe you are right.
Cricket… are you asking if we are all referring to the same tape? I am speaking of the most current one with Tommy/Lindsay where she is really angry and visiting him at the jail.
LFJ,
You could be right, Lindsy thru away
Tommy and Timmy’s new steel toed boots.
Good to see you LFJ!!
BAU!! How have you Been? Sure have missed you around here.
Madmen,
The one’s that came out this morning,
I’ve played all 3 and they sound same
with the exception of Lindsy chewing
on him.
LFJ… been okay, lots going on. Mainly hanging on twitter these days. All is well with you? Missed you too, I do pop in and read everyday, just don’t post much… don’t like folks messing with my CathyJo.
it is like 35 minutes long, Cricket… and it sounds like Tommy had met with someone and they only asked him one question….like if he knocked on the trailer door…
for some reason, this has Lindsay totally pissed…
Lindsay is FINALLY where she should have been a LONG time ago.
Madmen,
There are 3 differnt tapes but they say the
thing
thats in the first one.
what is Lindsay’s connection with Massachusetts? And are all 3 of her children with Tommy? Does anyone know?
Is it just me or does it seem that in every conversation that Tommy has….all he wants to hear is everyone say “I love you Tommy” as much as possible.
WhyLie said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Why would they have Tommy wired up and not ask the pertinent questions regarding Haleigh?
I also found it interesting when Tommy was asking if Lindsy spoke to Timmy and Chelsea. He then says, they tried me like they tried him.
Sounds like LE may be focusing on Timmy as well as Tommy.
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I think he’s lying to Lindsy about that but if he’s not PCSO is the most incompetent law enforcement agency I’ve since since Boulder PD
Timmy&Chelsea live in Mass… and yes, the 3 kids are his
ilovetheshowmadmen, Lindsy’s connection with Mass. is that TommyC’s brother Timmy and his wife Chelsea and 3 children moved there almost immediately after Haleigh went missing. Just before these tapes Lindsy went there to visit them. Yes, all 3 of Lindsy’s children are reportedly Tommy’s. (Unless some unfounded/unverified rumors are true that she cheated on Tommy in the past)
IF, Tommy is in on any info that LE could use, you can bet the bank that they would give him a deal on the drug case. That’s a “gimme’. Anything to help solve this embarrassment of this case. It’s as if LE is pitting the Croslin’s against each other to spill what they know. I think that LE has a good idea of what happened, they just need someone to verify events of the evening that HaLeigh went missing. IMO
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in May 29th, 2010 at 12:39 pm what is Lindsay’s connection with Massachusetts? And are all 3 of her children with Tommy? Does anyone know?
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I think that’s where Timmy and Chealsea live
bac…but what connection is that with Lindsay??
ilovetheshowmadmen said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
what is Lindsay’s connection with Massachusetts? And are all 3 of her children with Tommy? Does anyone know?
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Chelsea and Timmy live there, no other connection but them.
BAU, glad too hear all is well with you. I AGREE!! People need to leave CathyJo alone!! CathyJo is a beautiful person!!
VQ,
Its a toss up on which one is lying.
Wanna flip a coin ?
ok.. one more question then.. so Timmy and Chelsea also lived in Florida and then pretty much left over nite when this happened with Haleigh?
Didn’t Timmy serve time in jail/prison and if so, what for? Does anyone remember?
Chelsea seems to be able to control her husband. They left for MA as soon as they could and now Lindsey is wishing that she would’ve done the same. Lindsey is finding out now more than she wanted to know. I think Chelsea & Timmy probably filled in the blanks while she was there on vacation.
I Don’t think it was overnight… some believe that it was. But, I think the family say it was planned.
It was about 2 months after Haleigh went missing when Timmy and Chelsea left Satsuma to go to Mass. There reason at that time was they had better State help. Chelsea was pregnant with their third child. I believe this is where Misty got her positive PG test from to show Ron.
I try not to say anything when someone
starts in on CathyJo.
But most of the time I have to respond
to their ignorance .
Timmy & Chelsea left for MA after their baby was born, sometime around July, 2009.
I think Lindsy is on the wrong path by blaming her husbands criminal exploits on Misty. I have a feeling that Tommy was doing drugs and committing crimes long before Misty was.
looking for justice.. better state help? You mean welfare???
Stillucy, I dont think it was that long. The Baker County search was in June and Timmy and Chelsea had already left.
Yes. They would receive better benefits up in Boston. Which that is true compared to here in Florida.
Man in the audio she really has ways to let Tommy know what a loser he is! At one point she says guess me and the kids will go eat at a soup kitchen for Easter, then Austin says something about not being able to get presents when Christmas comes and she makes a comment like don’t worry I will live in a box before I don’t get you Christmas presents, don’t worry Mommy is here, Mommy will always take care of you even all by herself.
Thanks so much for this. Tommy sounds/acts like he is high. His niece my foot!!!
stilllucy said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Timmy & Chelsea left for MA after their baby was born, sometime around July, 2009
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Not only just born but she had a C-Section and left like 2 days later for the move to MA. Sounds like they were in a hurry to get the hell out of Dodge.
looking for j.. just hate that kind of entitlement… why should any state have to support or take on someone else’s pregnancy bills, then WIC, then LINC card, etc…
get a job and take care of your own children. Can’t handle people that think the state owe them a thing…
Yes I agree. Hank Sr. in the article just released whether it is the truth or not said the contractor let Tommy and Timmy as well as himself go due to Haleighs disappearance and Misty is the key. He was implying that none of them could get work around there in Palatka.
looking for Justice said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
It was about 2 months after Haleigh went missing when Timmy and Chelsea left Satsuma to go to Mass. There reason at that time was they had better State help. Chelsea was pregnant with their third child. I believe this is where Misty got her positive PG test from to show Ron.
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they left after the baby was born.The birth announcement was in the Gainesville paper, I think it was Gainesville
Question – Where are Lindsy’s parents? She talks about her grandfather but I have never heard anything about her actual parents. Did her grandparents raise her?
Vaq, can you remember Chelsea gave birth? Did she give bith in Gainseville? I would think the announcement would of been in the Palatka Daily. Perhaps she had problems with her pregnancy and they were sending her to Shands. I was thinking they left before the Baker County search.
Lets just speculate it was in July. That is when that explosive rumor went through Satsuma. I truely believe LE made sure that rumor got put out into the public. The rumor where LE had found Haleigh and she had overdosed and they were not sure if it was intentional or accidental, but they were suppose to be getting tox screens back and then they would know. The rumor stated that they were looking specifically at Ron and Misty. On Aug.6th2009 Tommy went to get Misty from Ronalds along with Hank Sr. and Lisa. They said Misty called crying and wanted them to come and get her. That she did not want to be with Ronald anymore. Ron and Tommy fight. Ronald goes to jail. A couple of weeks later ratgate happens. Then all of Mistys LDTs, VLT and hypnosis. On top of all of this Timmy and Chelsea left in July to move to Mass. What MAYHEM!! Does this mean Haleighs body can be found and that she truely did OD?
Unfortunately, I have got to run for now. I hopr to be back soon. Everyone have a nice day.
God Bless Haleigh whereever she is. Gods speed
looking for Justice said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Vaq, can you remember Chelsea gave birth? Did she give bith in Gainseville? I would think the announcement would of been in the Palatka Daily. Perhaps she had problems with her pregnancy and they were sending her to Shands. I was thinking they left before the Baker County search.
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It was beginning of July. I have a few things to do right now but when I get through I will see if I can find it. I believe she was in the same hospital Hank was in after his car accident.
Lindseys amasing,she can put dirt out to Art,NG,an ONthe video jail tapes.About all of the other family members.But when it effects her won house hold,an husband.She doest want anything said that can be recorded.Shes used the videos before to point at others.But now when it points at her own,an the story turns on her man.Shes mad.She gave Tommy a alibi im sure.That he was home in bed with her.She said she would know if her husband had left.
So which is it.Misty plainly said those two family men molested her.An her granny said she must like it,now Lindsy calling bit family incest.No one who has been molested /raped by Joe is what was in the first letter.No young girl likes to be treated like that,an them not be punished for it.I think when she told the family,they probably pushed it under the rug.But i think they did molest/rape her.An i think that why at first she told it to the public,because Haliegh was a girl child,an put 2,an 2 together.If someone took only the girl child out the house.I would first think Sex offender/pedifile..Og course i could be so far from the truth who( knows yet)All could be up to their necks in this.
Who knows Misty coud be guilty,but i dont think so.But i could be wrong.Tommy,an Joe im still wondering about.Unless it was a accidental overdose,an paniced cover up.Or a fight over drugs,an that gun,an Haliegh was hurt in the prosses.
All others i would think someone only took the child because someones a sick person,An it was a sexual crime.Why they havent found a body,or even her little gold neclace she always wore.I just am disgusted with this mess,an I want this child found!!!
Haliegh deserves to at least if deceaced,to be found,an have a Memorial.An if not she so deserves to be found.May God guide someone to where this child is at,an i pray it she wasnt placed in that river
Poor baby,just another child lost forever.Maybe home with Jesus now.How many has it been in the last 5 yrs alone that are missing,or murdered.Gods gifts to parents,an so many cruel people take that gift away,or harm them theirselves.Its terrible what the mothers are doing now days to their own,much less strangers,an family.It awful to prey on the innocent,an those who cant protect their little selves.My Lord whats this world comming to!!!! Wickedness in the hearts of people.
Haliegh many are praying for the truth,an you are in their hearts,an on their minds.As you are on mine.If she was murdered,let the one who harmed her be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Could this be what is going on in the Haleigh case?
Organized crime?
Good show on right now – Simon – Surviving the Mob.
I’ve been searching the internet articles and the best that I can come up with is that, Chelsea and Timmy moved to MA 6 months after HaLeigh’s disappearance. Which sets the move around the 1st part of August of 09.
It sounds like Misty’s involvement with Ron has destroyed her entire family. This girls’ loyalty sucks……I think if anyone has a chance of breaking her it would probably be Chlesea. Misty’s “team” needs to pull Chelsea down to Florida for a 1 on 1 chat. Does anyone know if Misty has had any sort of a psychological evaluation? It sure wouldn’t hurt the cause……
vaquera
If you’d check Orange County active/inactive in General court.Remember around Culpeper,they visited her family.This is what he was talking about almost getting prison in Virginia.
Remember when Hank Sr was visiting Misty & he said he’d give anything to give Misty a backrub? WTF? Yep, I’ve always believed there was some type of molestation/incest going on.
Exhibit A: Tommy Croslins ears. Blood must run together somewhere in the lines. 🙂
What’s Timmy’s criminal history look like, anyone?
Timmy had alraeady served time.If he knew he wasnt involved.He was smart planned trip,or not.To leave that town,an get his wife,an children out of the spot light,an the meadia glare.as much as he could.
I think hekeeps a low profile,an doesnt want to get in trouble again.
I dont know why Lindsy would throw their boots away.Unless she just knew Tommy wasnt going to need them any more,he would be serving time.An she was cleaning out the junk for her move,or after just unpacking ,an run accross them an got rid of them.
Or could she to have been covering,or scared,on of the men/or both may have wore the boots that night,it was in febuary,an i wore my steal toed boots around,months that were cold.I worked construction for 1/2 my life,so i got use to wearing mine even going hunting,out doors.
Deer Hunting,Joe/Tommy/Boots /Febuary/ Maybe Timmy/Maybe Joe could have wore Timmys boot size/Haliegh/River???(soil samples) Lindsey getting rid of them!!!
It does leave a question in my mind,about those boots.
I agree Misty needs a mental evaluation,it couldnt hurt.
Where did Timmy serve time?
I thought Timmys time was served over a theift conviction.Never saw it in writting though.We would have to know the stae,an town he lived in at the time to look it up right?was he a minor when he went to prison/Juvy?
Family ties in Mass,Tenn,Fla.So he would most likly have served his time in one of these states.What town ,i dont know.Unless a NCIC check was run on him nation wide,(that cost to run one)I dont want to know that bad lol.
WinterRose said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
vaquera
If you’d check Orange County active/inactive in General court.Remember around Culpeper,they visited her family.This is what he was talking about almost getting prison in Virginia.
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No, I don’t remember but I will look.LOL I do know Chelsea’s mother has ties to VA.
Do you remember when Chelsea gave birth and it was talked about over there? I suck at searching crap out.
Cricket said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
VQ,
Its a toss up on which one is lying.
Wanna flip a coin ?
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Any which way it comes up sadly Haleigh loses 🙁
Holiday sorry i never heard that about the back rub.May have missed it.I dont think Hank sr was doing that.But i do think the brother,an cousin did.But when its put out there gossip, or truth no one knows.Except Misty stating Joe,an Tommy molested her,an In her letter she told Chelsea you know Joe raped me.
When HankSR got mad enough to tell a little on granny Hollers life,an hes not one for talking about everyone.He brought out she had a man who did crack,laid up on her,an that she stayed pilled up to.For a granny to say her grandaughter must have liked them(Joe Molesting/raping her) shows that they blame the girl child for it all.
It could have been going on for genirations in the family.But i think Misty was most likly left with these older boys at the time,as baby sitters,an that took advantage of her.Lisa knew about Joe,messing with Misty,she said so on video.
Someone placed a link once where a dad who touched his,said his child gave him that look.I find it disgusting to cover molestation,or blame the victim when that sick stuff goes on behind close doors.
Of In Mistys,an the family,of course were talking about two teen boys,an a even younger teen girl at the time,over powering the weakest girl family member,an having their way with her.
She may have not told for a long time,some dont because it shames them.But she may have thought thats why someone would only take the girl child out of the trailor ,an leave the boy.We know molestation goes on with boys to.But at the time she was thinking girl child taken,an what happened to her.
Deb,i do believ it is possible,to do with organized crime.In Putnam,an some of These people. Johnny sheffield being one involved in it.
well,i left comments over there and wondered whys everybuddy gone and oman i saw newwwwwwwwww article,Oh wow Thanks Jan,Simonnn…….
i knew yall’d do that “just for me today” aww i knew it…….ROFLMAO! I am just shocked!
guys,ain’t yall glad they done it just fur me? lol
omggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg,omgg……i just read the article,brb go listen!
VQ
great answer, that learned me no joking
when it has to do with Haleigh’s outcome.
and mg imo!
why does lindsey not wanna talk about it???
if she cared about Haleigh let him talk!
I would!
cause she knows she lied!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
she’s all mad,and asked,you see how tan i am….jeeez!
CathuJo,
I so happy for you because we all got it
with ya, so that makes me really happy
fer ya.
rofl,haha i was kiddin cause i whined yesterday about it!lol
Have u saw the tape?
she came in with shorts too short,she told him that,and how tan she is……she’s playing with his mind,omg which in a way you can’t blame her for being mad at tommy! but she’s trying to anger him but tells him not to talk,I don’t get it!
Can anyone save me from Art’s site? I think just prior to the LDT, rumors came out that Tommy told LE he lied about knocking on the door and I think Werter confirmed that for Art. If I remember right, the LDT was on the Thursday prior to the dock search so it would have been on April 8.
If what I remember is true, Lindsy is mad in this tape about Tommy lying about the knock on the door and not the LDT since Tommy hadn’t taken it until that night, assuming this tape is on April 8. Lindsy mentions Tommy going to court on Thurs for something. Does anyone remember his April court date?
I think on the phone call tapes, Tommy talked to Flora on Sunday the 11th and he also talked to Timmy while Timmy was at work on the morning of the 12th and he was still trying to get in touch with Lindsy. So I don’t think this tape is after the LDT.
“well she will so”,his daughter is really gonna get to know him in jail…..omg that is awful!
lemme find it lori,if i can?
Yes I seen it several hrs. ago wondering
where you were.
At least if got the reputation of being on
here 24-7 could stop being late for work or
I’m gonna cut your pay .
Posted: 10:00 AM ET
The missing 5-year-old, vanished from her trailer in February 2009. According to Werter, Tommy Croslin says he and his cousin, Joe Overstreet, visited the home where Haleigh Cummings lived with her father Ronald Cummins and his then girlfriend, Misty Croslin, the night Haleigh Cummings went missing. Werter says Overstreet wanted to borrow an automatic rifle at the home to go deer hunting and that Overstreet became irate when he learned the gun was not there. “Things happened from there,” Werter said, explaining Croslin, Jr. went into the trailer bedroom to find Overstreet in a rage and Haleigh Cummings no longer alive.
Haleigh Cummings
Has the father of missing 5-year-old, Haleigh Cummings, struck a plea deal?
Today we learn Ronald Cummings and his attorney, Terry Shoemaker, are negotiating to secure Cummings a lighter sentence on drug-trafficking charges. Cummings, charged with five counts of trafficking Hydrocodone, faces a minimum of 83 years in prison. Shoemaker says he’s currently working to secure a prison sentence of 15 years or less for Cummings in exchange for Cummings’ statement in the drug-trafficking cases slated to proceed against Cummings’ ex-wife, Misty Croslin, and Croslin’s brother, Tommy Croslin. The statement, Shoemaker says, would likely bolster the State’s cases against Misty and Tommy Croslin. A trial date for Ronald Cummings remains scheduled for July 19.
New jail recordings released between Tommy Croslin and Flora Hollars
A conversation between Tommy Croslin and Croslin’s grandmother, Flora Hollars, has just been released. Tommy Croslin tells his grandmother he fears for the lives of his children. Will these newly released audio tapes finally clear up what Croslin told Hollars about Haleigh’s disappearance? And does the call explain why Tommy Croslin has not revealed more about the night Haleigh Cummings vanished? Tune in to Nancy Grace Friday, 8:00 p.m. EST to hear Tommy Croslin’s attorney, Jim Werter, talk about Haleigh Cumming’s disappearance, in what Putnam County detectives are now calling a homicide investigation.
Posted by: Alexis Weed
was it the 30th Lori??
i see it more like, lindsy had held out hope against hope for tommy, and that this was the final straw. when he kept saying he didn’t understand, that she had no reason to behave this way, i kept waiting for her to shout something to the effect of “we HAD a family! your choices have ruined it for all of us…”. and to some extent she did, when she finally talked about her hardships while he was inside. i fully understand her meaning, and he either can’t read between the lines, or CAN, and simply doesn’t want to see it.
i believe he doesn’t want to see it, because as i was watching, i saw his face change as what she said became more and more serious…he was actually realizing, i think, perhaps for the first time that she had had it. his face looked a bit pale, and around his eyes grew dark…almost the same look that misty gets right before she cries.
imo
rofl,I dunno why ppl get mad cause i’m here so much,i mean lord whyy??
i don’t get it?? lol
I have never once noticed whose here when,what time…..just i know i see ya daily?? and when i don’t?
tough,tomy is MEMEMEMEME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It don’t affect him! he is always right,he told her,well my daughter will know me if you bring her to the jail?? OMGGGGGGG How dumb!
Cathy, it was before we had any tapes at all. I think Art wrote about the failed LDT right after the dock search on April 13 started maybe?? And not long before that he had written about Tommy changing his story and saying he lied about going to knock on the door that night in order to get his bond reduced when he was in jail for the gun theft charges.
I have to run out for a while. I appreciate you searching for me. I’ll help look when I get back. 🙂
k lori,Be Safe!!
If sherriff Hardy was elected with a promise to clean up the drug trade.An clean up the ones in office,as investigating what,an who was currupt in LE in Putnam.Then we see how rampid the drugs flowed freely through that town.Maybe someone in office was involved in the drug trade,or removing Haliegh for a reason.Tied in with organized crime,or some who were in office before Hardy came on board.
The gangs in drug trade are scary.Im street smart,an not very scary.But these people are brutal.Some go as far as to chop the ones up there against with Machetties.How cruel is that.Not mentioning the guns.Could Ron have delt with these people at one time.Its said in the streets amoung the druggies he ripped someone one off for a large amount.Could the big boys got back at him.
Could any of this curruption be the reason Haliegh isnt anywhere to be seen today.Could she have been a target to get back at Ron,or even her grandad Johnny Sheffield.Or could JS be involved somehow,having his grand child hid,just could get to JR before Misty woke.He was exle.
Im not believing nothing or no one untill evidence,an an arrest is made.With a body,bone,or her gold neclace she wore all the time comes to surfice.Two cinder blocks,an 2 in jail pressured isnt making a believer out of me
.
Show me evidence.These people arent smart enough,street savy enough to committ a perfect crime.
he doesnt get a clue what Lindsey is saying??
he is really stupid?? well,he just don’t wanna be honest,not his way i guess,lol
Tommy told Lindsy he took it that day. It sounds like she spoke with his attorney after he took it. She sounds upset that he lied and did not pass the LDT. He keeps telling her it wouldn’t make a difference in regards to his drug charges.
Personally I think Tommy did go to the MH that night and what he actually lied about was him knocking on the door.
i want to slap the shit out of him myself everytime he says its all BS! its in Gods hand not mine?? omggggggggggg
I’d have hung up that sec and left!
I’m here all the time too Cathy. I don’t post too much because I stay behind.
be your perfevt incestuous family,omg and he says agaim,all its all BS!
no, this tape where they were arguing was definitely AFTER the LDT, because lindsy is all tan and back from her “vaca” in mass. also, that’s the complete and total subject matter of this tape, the way i understood it, all that talk about how “it couldn’t help (tommy) anyway”, and lindsy being upset that he “couldn’t even tell the truth” about the “one question” that was relevent, which was the knocking on the mh door.
The way Lindsy treats their dog tells me all I need to know about Lindsy.
I knew that was the way it was gonna work out?? omg,he doesn’t know hes the one who caused it by lyingggggg!
BBL. I’ll put a hazard suit on and search at AH’s site.
exactly *whylie*
right tough,i am all confuse,lol
I think Werter may have put out a statement too about the timeline of the LDT and Tommy’s talk with LE and then the search. I’ll look for it too.
Did he specifically say he took a LDT? I thought he took it at night. I think he may have been talking about being questioned about that night again and not the LDT but it may be that I just need to listen to the tape again.
ya need rubber boots Lori!
it was after the LD????????
looking at lindsy’s comments with some psychological background, i feel the dog comments are simply mirroring her anger at tommy. in other words, “i hate that dog” = “i hate you”. its his “stupid” dog = i’m sick of taking care of all your problems (which later she does actually say when she speaks of having to always pick up the pieces). i wouldn’t take her comments regarding the dog too seriously…it seems that, at the time, it was safer for her to express hatred of the dog vs. hatred of him for putting all of them in this situation.
imo
LINDSEY SAID THAT WAS THE SPINE,AND YOU LIED!
Sorry caps,
she was talking about reporting a false claim about hank and money?
he said,you shouldn’t come and see me if you gonna be a jerk,ive got too much on MY mind!
omggggggggg
WhyLie said,in May 29th, 2010 at 4:06 pm The way Lindsy treats their dog tells me all I need to know about Lindsy.
tough, Lindsy could also be taking her frustrations with Tommy and his family out on the dog. Lindsy has said on more then one occasion how much she hates that dog. I hope somebody goes and checks on the well being of the dog. No animal deserves to spend their lives in a cage.
i sure hope so tuough,i thought that at 1st,i hope you’re right!
she was gonna file a claim hank took her money?? thats mean!!
*whylie* ~ yes, that could definitely be a point here. of course, i don’t know the girl, it just seem though like she is loving and patient with her kids, so i almost can’t imagine her actually abusing a pet…one never knows though.
imo
but she’d be crazy to stick with him,no way in hellooooooooo i would!after that!
tough,when she’s on camera,yes??
but i cant prove it but things we hear say different! ya know!
*cathyjo* ~ i know…when i first heard that about calling the cops on hank re: the money he owed her, it threw me too…but then i started thinking…with the mood she was in (and for good reason!) it seems like she was simply lashing out at anything to do with tommy (the dog, his family, his dad…etc)
she doesn’t seem hateful and vindictive as a person to me…seems like she’s just simply HAD IT WITH EVERYTHING and she’s furious!!!
(remember the old addage, “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”? lol…who could blame her?) 😉
imo
right tough,I know she is!
I do but imo she needs to hang up the phone go home,ignore tommy,and take care of her kids with whats left!imo
i can’t blame her for hating tommy,lol i do just by his reactions to how she fells?? plusss all the times before this with drugs,no money?
right *cathyjo*…since we don’t actually know her as a person, anything could be…
Well if Joe murdered Haliegh they need to pick his azzzz up.I can see how people would be scared if they saw him murderer someone right before their eyesd.I know any 17 yr old girl would be.An may be scared enough not to tell.
But its said Mistys first LDT was inconclusive,she only started failing them.After being out hearing all the stuff being said.Then she started failing them.
IF one of those 3 murdered that baby,an took her an dumped her.OMG that makes me so angry!!!
I still say ill believe it when someone produces something of Haliegh.But then we have Attornys believeing this,PIs believing this.Oh MY!! this case is driving me nuts.
he’s put her thru hell and its making her hate him now caushe she knows,he ain’t worried about what she faces every day! just what he is facing,thats disgusting!
Hey CathyJo!!! I found an article @ Art Harris.com titled NO Party I was sleeping October 4th,2009. It talks about and list the complaint against Timmy Croslin By Ronald Cummings. This is after the fight with Tommy and ratgate.
Cathyjo you are better than I at cutting and posting articles. This is a good one with alot of info.
Thanks in advance.
he won’t even one time say,I am sorry baby….his answer is i love you,sheeeeeeesh
Lindsy probably doesn’t have money to
feed her kids much less feed a pit bull.
Not everyone loves animals that way other’s
It’s me expecting someone to love my husband
just because I do.
oh ty Looking,lemme go get it,lol
i guess i see some of myself in lindsy…i was a “good girl” married to someone who was definitely NOT a “good guy”, though he wasn’t ever involved in anything as serious as tommy may/may not be…
i identify with alot of the emotions she’s expressing, and in fact, with some of the exact words she’s using in this tape…”its always left to me to pick up the pieces” …
i hope she does find the courage to continue with the divorce, and then get herself and those little kids of hers away from that mess.
imo
what kind of bonehead keeps their pitbull in a cage?
I figure its to make the dog mean or its already too mean to be loose..and around little kids too..irresponsible to the max!
In this article also it talks about Chelsea getting ready for her c-sction to me it sounds like she was in Mass when she had the baby. I may have read it wrong. See what you all think once our great Cathyjo does her cut and post.
Lindsy knows all about Tommy and his family and has known for years. She has opted to raise her children in that type of environment even allowing her drugged out husband to drive them to school. She allowed them all to stay in HER home even though they were pulling knives on each other.
Lindsy filed an OOP against Tommy on behalf of her and A, when A was just a baby. Lindsy has known all along and choose to stay with Tommy.
I don’t think Lindsy is any kind of angel in this family’s drama at all.
OJ,
Tommy strikes me as the type who tries to
make a dog as mean as can.
I had brother-in-law that made his pit bull so mean he was afraid of it himself, the dog went
live at his parents and every time he showed
up that dog would go crazy and he wouldn’t
even go near it.
no *whylie*…i don’t think anybody is an “angel”, quite right. its just that, i have been working with women & children affected by domestic violence, for some 12 yrs, prior to that, i was an abused child, and abused partner & wife…the cycle is ugly, and when one is “inside” of it, one cannot see the truth without some sort of catalyst to knock them “outside” of it (in so many cases). i think tommy is an abuser. many of lindsy’s actions/reactions are concurrent with someone affected by DV.
its not an excuse…simply saying i can see it.
imo
Cricket said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
VQ
great answer, that learned me no joking
when it has to do with Haleigh’s outcome.
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Nothing wrong with joking 😉
tough, I agree that Tommy is an abuser. His court records from several years ago seem to indicate that.
CathyJo, are you addressing me? If so the article is at Art Harris.com. The article is titled No Party I was sleeping. dated October 4th, 2009 You can find it in the archives.
I’ll tell ya what i do think tho!!!!!!!!
imvho I think this is the only chance Lindsey had???????? to get away!
tOMMY IS THE TYPE THAT HE’D NEVER ALLOW HER TO FREELY!
Since all of the individuals involved that are in jail and the parents/family of the involved live on and make their living selling pills or have a history and arrests or a so called “problem” with pills, why the hell didn’t they take some birth control pills along with the downers? Definitely would have stopped this chain of misfits and taxpayers money.
Cathy please, please be careful with putting your email address on here. There are many crazies following this case
toughcookie..I was a DV hotline volunteer years ago..got crazy a couple times.
LEMME TRY THAT WAY,I KEEP GETTING KNOCKED OFF,NOWHERE ELSE THO???????
Whylie
Cathy no’s what she’s talking about. I was
also an abused child, wife even friends.
I, didn’t no what a life without meant.
*jan57* @ 4:24pm
i agree with you…i usually have a pretty good gut instinct, and for some reason, something about JO has never sat quite right with me. i realize LE “cleared” him ( i wonder, exactly what that involved in his case?) but his body language, that smarmy smirk of his, and the way he behaved (looked like false emotion & fake tears to me) in that tv interview with his lawyer just sticks in my mind.
he may not be guilty for haleigh’s crime, but he sure seems guilty of something!
imo
toughcookie said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
no, this tape where they were arguing was definitely AFTER the LDT, because lindsy is all tan and back from her “vaca” in mass. also, that’s the complete and total subject matter of this tape, the way i understood it, all that talk about how “it couldn’t help (tommy) anyway”, and lindsy being upset that he “couldn’t even tell the truth” about the “one question” that was relevent, which was the knocking on the mh door.
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or was she burned from having a good time at the beach. We did see a picture of her at the beach in a bikini
vaquera said,in May 29th, 2010 at 4:42 pm Cathy please, please be careful with putting your email address on here. There are many crazies following this case
Yes I am one of em’ rofl,j/k but thanks!
Vaq, I am hoping that CathyJo can get it for us, but if not go there and read it. Tell me what you think of the article.
right *cathyjo* ~ i agree…that’s exactly what i meant by a “catalyst”…this happening will allow lindsy to move forward and cut this “excess baggage”…hopefully, she will have some help, or counseling to not repeat that sort of choice again.
wow, *oj* ~ that’s fantastic that you did that! good for you. i know it take alot out of someone to put themselves in that position. i hope you know how appreciated you must have been in that capacity.
*cricket* ~ *cathyjo* didn’t say that…i did 🙂
shux,can’t find it!
whoever said it,lol all of us did i think too..lol
but yes ii know Lindsey knows now he can’t get to her and thats why she is actually speaking out to him prolly for the 1st time?
Lori said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Can anyone save me from Art’s site? I think just prior to the LDT, rumors came out that Tommy told LE he lied about knocking on the door and I think Werter confirmed that for Art. If I remember right, the LDT was on the Thursday prior to the dock search so it would have been on April 8.
If what I remember is true, Lindsy is mad in this tape about Tommy lying about the knock on the door and not the LDT since Tommy hadn’t taken it until that night, assuming this tape is on April 8. Lindsy mentions Tommy going to court on Thurs for something. Does anyone remember his April court date?
I think on the phone call tapes, Tommy talked to Flora on Sunday the 11th and he also talked to Timmy while Timmy was at work on the morning of the 12th and he was still trying to get in touch with Lindsy. So I don’t think this tape is after the LDT.
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I don’t either unless someone lied about the date of the LDT..like Werter
When did Werter tell Art Harrass that he was no longer representing Tommy on anything concerning Haleigh??
right *vaquera* ! saw those pics…a bit revealing eh? lol
Since we don’t know all the fact and evidence in the drug cases, though it looks awfully damning, here’s a little something on entrapment that may be worthy of discussing or just reading.
I’m sure the lawyers for all 3 plus hope sykes attorney have knowledge of how a defense may offer it up as a defense.
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The standard for entrapment in Florida is as follows: it is not entrapment when the police intend to disrupt ongoing criminal activity and use reasonable means to do so. Alternatively, if the police are going out of their way to take advantage of someone who is not otherwise involved in drug trafficking or a related drug crime, and they use unreasonable methods to do it, the defense of entrapment can work. However, if the state can show that the defendant is predisposed to commit the drug crime, i.e. he/she has sold or been involved with illegal drugs before or was familiar with how drug deals work and the terminology, the entrapment defense is problematic, unless the defendant can show that the police’s conduct was particularly outrageous.
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All of these folks through prior arrests and from their own admissions, were users and sellers.
It may worth a stab at a defense with this, but I haven’t heard ANY of the attorneys, to this point, offer it up as a defense. That may change closer to their trial dates.
Looks like ron is tryong to plead becasue he knows he’s been caught red handed. We’ll see what happens.
Calls to Werter weren’t returned by press time, but he did send me this text:
“I no longer represent Tommy Croslin on issues regarding Haleigh Cummings. I continue to represent him in his criminal cases.”
This was April 9th. Not going to link since it’s AH’s site.
Lindsy was still in MA, if I am not mistaken.
Cricket said,in May 29th, 2010 at 4:43 pm Whylie
Cathy no’s what she’s talking about. I was
also an abused child, wife even friends.
I, didn’t no what a life without meant.
Alot of us didn’t! and it’s easy to understand it when you know from experience,nobody ever brought the subject up,but i know Lindseys an enabler,but its what i meant when i said,it was easier for me when my husband drank,cause I never knew him sober?
i mean brought it up about linsey enabler” so i just didn’t say much!
yes, *cathyjo*, i think you’re right…it took this last straw to break the camel’s back, in lindsy’s situation, and now that she’s “out of his reach” so to speak, she may be able to finally break free! hope so.
imo
they will make life a living nightmare for you at any cost to keep you from moving on.so to speak”
Toughcookie
Sorry I don’t even remember what it was about.
BINGOOOO Tough,I noticed it and when she finallyyyyy decided to divorce him once she was certain,it put the icing on the cake for me!
Its why she’s getting tattoos,tan,working out,buying things,having fun,she wasn’t allowed before???
*jaba* ~ thanks for posting that ! i have made many comments here re: the fact that these people involved in the drug bust could never have been “busted” in the first place, if they weren’t ALREADY involved in the drug biz to begin with.
imo
*cricket* no worries…actually maybe i missed a comment of *cathyjo’s* and just assumed you meant mine…sorry 🙂
people just don’t know unless they have lived it,I got no secrets and yall know i loved my husband but i was a very controlled and sheltered woman,I couldn’t visit my own family,I couldn’t just go somewhere because i wanted too!
and after he passed and after 25 yrs of marriage to him,I live alone,I am single,I have a car, I can’t budge unless i make myself and one day i wondered why am i this way?
people get mad at me for it but i can’t!
but then i figured out,that was my life then,and now its stuck there in my head..I was engaged to at the time i thought,a good man and loved him God how i did,and he didn’t ask for receipts from stores,he didn’t ask me to explain whose on the phone,he didn’t tell me its time for bed even if i wasn’t sleepy,he didn’t tell me what to wear…..but “I THOUGHT HE DID” and it was too hard for me and him!
*cathyjo* re: “making your life a living hell if you try to move on”…so right!!!
i learned in my DV counseling that a woman’s (or partner’s) most dangerous time is the moment when she attempts to leave her abuser…that’s when they lose all sense because they have “lost control” over the person they abuse, and will stop at nothing to keep that control!
imo
thats the degree,I watched this documentary yrs ago of a woman who had accidently killed her husband who beat her her whole life,she was scared of him……so she shot him one night…..
she was cleared sure,but to that day she was still the woman he molded!!!!!!!!!
i feel ya *cathyjo*
exactly tough!! sorry guys,i did get emotional there and its hard to admit sometimes i let myself live that way but i know scared,i knw sheer terror because i could hear my husbands car coming a mile away!and just dreaded it and so scared!
after 20 yrs i got to the point though i told him,I hate you when you’re drunk,I’m scared and he knows if he were here right now,I’d still say it because it’s the honest Gods truth!
CathyJo63, I e-mailed you the link, thanks to my husband. I am illiterate when it come to computers.
Tough,
I hear ya’. These are people you can catch because their lives are caught up in drugs before anything else. Including their families.
If we see or hear that something off camera took place in violation of the law, then kick the charges. That’s only fair.
If not, then get ready for some hefty sentences of the guilty.
ron and misty are in the same car on tape more than once. Why would ron plea if he was entrapped?
Tc talks about the time he ‘hopes’ to get. Why? Because he knows he’s guilty as charged. Why did hope plead, because she was guilty as charged. Her appeal time on the sentencing has expired with nary a peep from anyone representing her, nor any family member speaking to the media to shed light on the wrongdoing being done to her. There’s a very simple answer to that.:)
Jaba
Misty had never been any trouble.
Jaba–It seems like Misty might have a case for entrapment, whether her lawyer uses that defense or not. Does she have a prior arrest record for drugs/drug dealing? Out of all the players, she is the only one who stands a chance of using entrapment as a defense. JMO
its not to shame him,I’d want him to tell the truth about me if he felt it!!
but thats was my life since the day i turned 15 yrs old!
its so true about being hard to break out of that behavior. for years, and even still sometimes, because of my “chronic abuse” and the facts that i have had 5 (!!) stalkers in my lifetime (not THAT old…lol) i suffer/suffered from agorophobia, which is being afraid to leave your house. it was maddening! i wanted to join the “real world” and behave like a normal person, going places, doing things, living a “normal” life…but fear held me in its clutches…
my whole point in all of my comments here, is just that i can see lindsy (and even misty for that matter) as an abused person.
imo
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in May 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am I’ve had Lindsay’s back UNTIL I heard how hateful she is towards the dog…. that being said.. she is getting what she deserves. Now someone needs to let her out to pee and then put her back in her cage..
Someone that is so vindictive towards animals will only treat children the same way…..
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You are ridiculous!!
We were contacted several months ago by Art Harris about someone copy/pasting material from his forum to our site and asked that we remove it. So out of courtesy we have removed this post and will remove any other posts copy/pasted from his site.
Thanks
Jan Barrett – BNN Editor
CathyJo,
When were you married to my husband ?
I thought I new all his ex’s.
Tough,exactlyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!
((((tough)))))))
Its the hardest habit to break away from!!
lol Cricket.yea!!
robin said,in May 29th, 2010 at 5:13 pm Jaba–It seems like Misty might have a case for entrapment, whether her lawyer uses that defense or not. Does she have a prior arrest record for drugs/drug dealing? Out of all the players, she is the only one who stands a chance of using entrapment as a defense. JMO
imo…..I’d love to see her not guilty of anything,I’d prolly go steal her!
yea robin true,and she was underage then,thats why they waited till 18 to grab her!
thats cruel!
She admitted on tape to being involved. That we can see.
Prior to that, she was known, to smoke weed and do pills.
Hell, she called 911 right after a DRUG deal where she got robbed.
I’m sure LE knew who was doing what based on interviews that misty was in the ‘gang’.
Having a record, doesn’t absolve one from getting caught by a UC in a sting.
Did she get caught up in drugs on her own, no, she had plenty of help.
Someone told LE that ron and company were into drugs and they knew it prior. LE went after the dealers in this network and scooped up others who were willing participants.
But, if an attorney reading this thinks there is a case for entrapment, let mistys attorney know. I’m sure the guy could use all the help he can get.
Another but:
But, don’t you think that in an Uc sting, wouldn’t even a first year in practice law school grad look at entrapment when they took the case? Bloggers see it as a possibility, are we to believe the lawyers don’t get it? I think not.
Its worth a try though. Maybe misty can formulate a series of lies to form that defense.
Maybe she needs a copy of what I pasted sent to her. The address to her has been posted before. If one feels she’s being wronged, then step up and try to help her defense. That would be very noble, imo.
jaba said,in May 29th, 2010 at 11:25 am I’ve seen misty admit on jail tapes to her dealing. She said she ‘wasn’t going to take ALL the charges’ but she knows she’s on the hook for some.
I remember her quoting a price of 190 then ron corrects her that its actually 189.
Sounds like a sale to me. Am I missing something?
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your missing plenty lynchmober, illegal police actions like ENTRAPMENT are grounds to get the charges dismissed.
((((cathyjo)))) back atcha’ 🙂
was looking for an article,shux
Thanks Jan,he don’t like me! imo
rofl,he can put it out for the world and he’s worried what cathyjo says,hmmmm
Since Misty was a juvie…if she had a record it would be sealed. Right?
ty looking,even tho it gor removed,lol
she doesn.t tho! not prior!
I am sorry Jan…I had no idea we were not allowed to do that. Thank you for the info.
Doe’s anyone here no how to read report cards
There’s a video on Sierra1947, that has report
card of Haleigh’s that her report card had been
altered.
re: the drug charges…i realize that we have tougher and tougher drug sentencing as the years progress…but my goodness…i still can’t get over the fact of these young people spending the better part of their futures doing prison time from this bust…
i’m not saying drug dealers should get off easy, so don’t misunderstand me here…its just that i am in awe when i think of how easily it seems to happen, and in the blink of an eye, one is doing 15 – 25 years!!! how easily one moment in time, one decision made in the wrong direction, and one’s entire young life is basically gone…
imo
Sorry CathyJo, didn’t know
CathyJo,
It’s written in the Misty is gonna get out
this mess and you gonna adopt her.
And life for her gonna be a bowl of cherries.
Cathy,
Didn’t misty admit to ‘some’ of the charges on jail tape? She said she wouldn’t take them ‘all’. How would that play with a jury, one would wonder.
If you just want her not guilty because you feel sorry for her, I understand that, but, you really don’t know her. I appreciate your compassion at this point, but I’m sure if something horrific comes out of her nouth about her involvment with Haleigh, IF it does, you’d rethink your position, I would think.
Not trying to stifle your emotions for her, just pointing out some possibilities.
When writing your letter, include the passage I posted if it will help her. Can’t hurt.
I also think all the ‘jailhouse’ lawyers in with her have been trying to give her legal advice as well as ‘ron’ advice.:)
It was supposed to be written in the stars
Read it though CathyJo, tell me what you think. In the article Chelsea says she doesn’t think Joe was involved.
Misty Cummings
Cummings and the two children were living together when he met Croslin in 2008.
Sykes’ first impression of the petite teen came from the children.
“The kids adored her and she seemed to adore them back,” Sykes said. “I mean they’d cry to go back to her.”
Sykes said she saw another side of her grandson’s girlfriend in the months after Haleigh vanished, when Cummings, Croslin and Ronald Jr. moved in with her.
“You can’t threaten her or do anything to her emotionally or mentally that will affect her,” Sykes said. “She doesn’t have the ability.”
Sykes said even repeated interrogations by investigators had little impact.
“When the sheriff’s department was threatening her and doing all their doings and stuff, it didn’t faze her,” she said.
Sykes said Croslin’s childhood may have dulled her emotionally.
“She basically was here, there and yonder,” Sykes said. “I don’t reckon she knew from one day to the next where she was going to be.”
Croslin was born in Michigan, but the family of five moved to where her father, Hank Croslin Sr., could find drywall work, her parents said. They spent time in Tennessee, her mother’s home state, and Colorado before moving to Florida.
When their daughter was in the sixth grade, they were living in Flagler County.
“I’d send her to the bus stop,” her mother, Lisa Croslin, said. “She’d never get on the bus. If it was a day she wanted to go, she’d go. If it was a day she didn’t want to go, she would hide.”
“She can’t read,” her father said. “She was behind in class just like all of us.”
Reading disabilities run in the family, he said.
“I can’t read at all,” he said.
At about 15, Misty bought a bus ticket under a false name and moved to New Jersey with a boyfriend. After several months and with the help of a social worker, she was found and brought home.
About that time, the Croslins moved to Putnam.
Her father said she began hanging out with Kristina “Nay Nay” Prevatt and Amber Brooks, who is the mother of Cummings’ other son.
Both Prevatt and Brooks have drug arrest histories. The weekend before Haleigh disappeared, Misty was with Prevatt. “That’s where all the trouble started, hanging around Nay Nay and Amber,” her father said.
He said he couldn’t convince her to distance herself from the new crowd. Misty was more trouble than the Croslins’ two sons, he said.
“She was the wildest one,” he said. “She was.”
On Feb. 9, the night after Croslin returned to Cummings’ mobile home from the weekend of partying, Sykes dropped by. She said she was upset that Croslin had gone off and left her grandson without anyone to watch over the two kids.
“I was mad because Ronald let her come back,” she said. “But it’s his house. There wasn’t nothing I could do about it other than be mad.”
By the next morning, Haleigh was gone.
dana.treen@jacksonville.com, (904) 359-4091
In an earlier version, it was stated that Cummings repeatedly called Misty Croslin’s brother the night Haleigh disappeared. Instead, he called Misty Croslin’s phone several times and her brother once
Thank you, Mr. & Mrs. Barrett for posting this tape on a holiday weekend, gosh do you ever get any rest? 🙂 Please enjoy the rest of your holiday!
If I were to send money to any of the Croslins’ it would be for their children to receive all the counseling they will undoubtedly need. Lindsy was angry with Tommy, justifiably so, but why on earth would anyone take their 6 yr old son to listen to such horrible words and accusations from your mother to your father? I understand the concern in the posts for the dog she “hates”, but I do have a greater concern for her children. Could you hear what the little boy was saying in the background? And Lyndsy seemed to really enjoy telling Tommy that his son didn’t want to talk to him anymore. How selfish, it was her decision to have not one but THREE children with this man during his drugging and stealing and lying, however now she is disgusted?? I don’t buy it for one minute. IMVHO
The dysfunction IMHO is horrific….. and when they are concerned about the truth, or no care at all, appears to be extremely conditional. This is the same man that took your son to the school bus and promptly passed out, surrounded by drugs at the bus stop?? I really want to know where Child Protective Services is in all of this…
A precious child is dead/missing and the destructive behavior is the only constant during this entire time. My heart breaks for these children.
i missed something ? what is it we are not allowed to do ? (just in case i’ve been doing it…) lol 😉
hmmm chelsea said that? lol brb gotta see that,lol
Do some research insteading of posting 1st on evry new post, douchebagger. 🙂
oh and marie said crystal went to visit ron when she was 14 and just never “brought her bacK’ rofl stupidddddddd
I didn’t mean a report card it’s attendance card.
LOL!!!! Jaba
Tough,
You have been flagged for too many rational posts. Now go to timeout and come back when you have a big ‘nothing’ to offer us. :):):)
*jnet* ~ i was thinking that too, that the whole conversation was really inappropriate to be having with their son right their within earshot…and even worse, with his little comments about it…it should have stopped right there, realizing that he was understanding what was being said.
very sad for that little one…
imo
*jaba* ~ WAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!>>>>running to timeout…
lol 😉
looking for Justice said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Vaq, I am hoping that CathyJo can get it for us, but if not go there and read it. Tell me what you think of the article.
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sorry I missed this earlier. What article?
OMG Looking,i’d never seen that before???????????
Thats total backpeddlin if i ever seen it!!!!!!!!
When was that article written? The last sentence about the cops not wanting to speak with Misty UNLESS she has additional information to what happened. I firmly believe Misty knows NOTHING. Hell, Misty could have been drugged and passed out and someone could have come in that MH. Whether it was to steal that prized gun or to steal that beautiful child, someone made sure this child/woman would be held responsible. Everyone (even her own family) have turned against her. Nancy Grace and Art Harris have made her Public Enemy Number One. We know she was not her dad’s pride and joy (Hank mentioned on the recent tapes Tommy was). To me, EVERYONE that has made terrible allegations against Misty (including NayNay and others) need a good hard look from LE. Her own family has made it blatantly obvious that Misty is a LIAR. What member of that family isn’t is my question? The family dynamics is painfully obvious. Misty has taken the blame for everything in this dysfunctional family, and her loyalty to them has caused us to suspect her. I just don’t think Misty is capable of hurting Haleigh. Maybe she is covering for someone else, who knows. But like I stated, Misty is just the scapegoat for an investigation that has no solid evidence to pinpoint the actual crime scene, nor the perpetrator of this awful crime. JMO
AH suddely doesn’t want his info on this site Looking,we allllll been doin it,rofl
misty’s lawyer will find out ALL the dirty tricks LE has played when they exchange discovery..LE won’t want that in front of a jury.
NOT GUILTY!
chelsea said herself if he’d got up she’d have known and misty wouldn’t even hear the baby cry and omg and nowwwwwww she turns around with totally new stuff,
mmmmmmmmmmHmmmmmmm
that tattoo stands for sommin!
Tough,
If you are going to complain, the timeout will be twice as long. Now, dry up those tears and wipe your nose and think about what you’ve done. 🙂
If Misty, acted as tho she had no emotion
it’s because she’s abused child .they
learn early on not to show emotion.
was this article supposed to be AFTER chelsea originally stated that the only person who could’ve moved that van was joe?
wonder why she is so adamently changing her mind, if so?
no wonder its so hard to keep any of this straight….(sigh)
Vaq. The article No Party I was Sleeping dated October 4th,2009 @ Art Harris.com in the archives
I agree Robin,and she was the youndest then too,still is lol but a minor,ppl could talk that little girl into taking the blame so easily?????????
hmmppp…>>>>>>wiping snotty nose as we speak
yeaa tough,i had neverrrrrrrrrrrrrr seen that!
Can you imagine how the “all you effing Croslins are all effing liars” must have made Austin feel really safe, secure and confident?? He IMHO probably suffers from guilt for all of the chaos and daddy being gone, and now mommy has just told you very explicitly you are a liar too. How very confusing to go from the normal effing “I love you” jail visit with daddy to the now effing “it’s all your fault”. Is the f word in every sentence in front of children really necessary?? Silly me, that is the least of the problem for these children. IMVHO How many times did Austin hear daddy was set up by the police for the past 4-5 months… that’s right mommy now has changed her mind. Perhaps she’s had time to catch up on not only her tan, but sleep as well. IMVHO
CathyJo63 said,in May 29th, 2010 at 5:44 pm AH suddely doesn’t want his info on this site Looking,we allllll been doin it,rofl
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Sorry,meant tough!!!!!!!!!!!lol
ou can’t threaten her or do anything to her emotionally or mentally that will affect her,” Sykes said. “She doesn’t have the ability.”
Sykes said even repeated interrogations by investigators had little impact.
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imo,she had the ability,she was just used to not listening to others cause no one cared enough to lay the law down to her!
ou can’t threaten her or do anything to her emotionally or mentally that will affect her,” Sykes said. “She doesn’t have the ability.”
Sykes said even repeated interrogations by investigators had little impact.
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imo,she had the ability,she was just used to not listening to others cause no one cared enough to lay the law down to her!
It was heart breaking to hear little A know all about bonds. The tone of his voice when he said, daddy doesn’t have a bond?
Sad, sad situation.
I’m sure with your keen insight to drugs and how to move them from point a to point b, you’ll be a great asset to the defense. That along with the claim of having evidence planted on you, should make for an competent defense strategy to get her off.
Call them tuesday morning and get on the team. Let us know what they say.
the longer this case drags out, i see the meaning LE has as to “misty is the key” more like that she must know info that SOMEONE ELSE is the actual perpetrator, rather then MISTY HERSELF actually hurt haleigh. she may be a “liar”, but for me, its hard to imagine that SHE HERSELF purposely hurt, harmed or killed little haleigh.
imo
I think Misty says whatever she thinks the person wants to hear.
ou can’t threaten her or do anything to her emotionally or mentally that will affect her,” Sykes said. “She doesn’t have the ability.”
Sykes said even repeated interrogations by investigators had little impact.
****** iposted before,lol gone tho
but she had the ability,she was never told by anybody what to do…..had to raise herself and was used to nobody telling her what to do or laying the law down to her!
OJ this might be your best day so far,lol we all kinda see it different now for Minsty!
I agree to fit and be accepted Whylie!
exactly right Toughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,thats why i wanted to talk to her somehow!
she’s not a suspect,she’s the key,the only one who can say who was there at the mh??
they have to find a way to make such an accusation!
they have to find a way to make such an accusation!
cathyjoe theres a troll annoying me..
now I know how you felt yesterday.
its sad Jnet,
who Jaba?
Exactly CJ. Misty needs to be loved, to fit in, to be accepted. I think that is why the mention of the cleaning and washing the pee blanket. It was her way of letting everybody know that she loves the children and took good care of them.
I don’t think she was being deceptive about that. I will be extremely surprised if Misty played any direct part in what happened to Haleigh.
Not to mention on the VA test when asked if she had anything to do with what happened, she answered no and the computer said she was being truthful about that.
it aint fun OJ,But ignore them and they’ll get restless,lol
I always thought trolls were cut,i thought wrong!lol
I agree, tough, I haven’t seen anything that would make think misty hurt the child on purpose.
I do think she knows more about it than she’s telling.
Cops aren’t at her cell door everyday or even every week trying to get her to talk. She’s flip-flopped and stonewalled and lied, so I’m sure they are waiting for her at this point.
They are working other angles that might offer a piece to the puzzle.
mistsys torture is from being locked up for an alledged crime and not being free to do what she wants, whem she wants. Just like all the others who do time.
WhyLie said,in May 29th, 2010 at 5:59 pm Exactly CJ. Misty needs to be loved, to fit in, to be accepted. I think that is why the mention of the cleaning and washing the pee blanket. It was her way of letting everybody know that she loves the children and took good care of them.
I don’t think she was being deceptive about that. I will be extremely surprised if Misty played any direct part in what happened to Haleigh.
Not to mention on the VA test when asked if she had anything to do with what happened, she answered no and the computer said she was being truthful about that.
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thats what i said because he even asked her then?
why am i getting you’re homding something back when you say ronald has nothing to do with it?
not word for word,but lol
Misty….imo is following a script ALMOST like caseys,lol
it was too obvious on great when he told her to look at the camera,but when Misty was sitting beside him on the Today show he wouldn’t look in it,
then before she answered why she’d said sommin different she looked at him to answer for her??
grrrrrr,not great
On greta!
Just because you can’t express a valid point with thought out facts, doesn’t annoy me. 🙂
yea but mistys the youngest and look at her,she wants to work,get an education,she said this aint punishing me???
but tommy and ron all whine about how hard they have it,
Misty is smarter than either of em imo……..
i am confused once again Jaba!
wow…*whylie* i guess i had missed that little tidbit about her VA test showing no deception on that question ! if so, they need to consider that with as much weight as they consider the “deceptive” answers on the LDT. that should definitely tell them something !
imo
Smarter? Really? That aint saying much.
I would predict misty having a better shot at a good life in the future than any of the rest of them.
Cathy, have you started a draft of the letter to misty? Time is of the essence at this point. Any help you can give her needs to be quick. She’s got a court date june 6th.
jaba said,in May 29th, 2010 at 5:34 pm Cathy,
Didn’t misty admit to ’some’ of the charges on jail tape? She said she wouldn’t take them ‘all’. How would that play with a jury, one would wonder.
If you just want her not guilty because you feel sorry for her, I understand that, but, you really don’t know her. I appreciate your compassion at this point, but I’m sure if something horrific comes out of her nouth about her involvment with Haleigh, IF it does, you’d rethink your position, I would think.
Not trying to stifle your emotions for her, just pointing out some possibilities.
When writing your letter, include the passage I posted if it will help her. Can’t hurt.
I also think all the ‘jailhouse’ lawyers in with her have been trying to give her legal advice as well as ‘ron’ advice.:)
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Jaba,i know you know i don’t want somebody found guilty cause i feel sorry for them,
I wannt her found not guilty because thats my opinion nowwwwwwwwww,
it has taken me this much time to learn myself?? that Misty is obviously the one who is wronged here,I doubt you or I will ever be able to talk to the jury to sway anybody!
But looking as the facts as they are now,imo Misty is as guilty as I am! and because of her life,its brought her into this because she wants to please everybody else!
jaba said,in May 29th, 2010 at 5:34 pm Cathy,
Didn’t misty admit to ’some’ of the charges on jail tape? She said she wouldn’t take them ‘all’. How would that play with a jury, one would wonder.
If you just want her not guilty because you feel sorry for her, I understand that, but, you really don’t know her. I appreciate your compassion at this point, but I’m sure if something horrific comes out of her nouth about her involvment with Haleigh, IF it does, you’d rethink your position, I would think.
Not trying to stifle your emotions for her, just pointing out some possibilities.
When writing your letter, include the passage I posted if it will help her. Can’t hurt.
I also think all the ‘jailhouse’ lawyers in with her have been trying to give her legal advice as well as ‘ron’ advice.:)
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hmmmm lets see,i would imagine because she’s on tape?? would be my guess!
and she was a minor but le waited till she wasn’t to grab her??
Jaba Said,
When writing your letter, include the passage I posted if it will help her. Can’t hurt.
No but you don’t have to be so cold about it either!
Let’s not forget. Misty wanted to write the govenor about her conditions which are normal for prisoners. Said the food was awful, etc…she has complained.
CJ, you can see the response on the computer screen on the video of the VA test.
If you just want her not guilty because you feel sorry for her, I understand that, but, you really don’t know her. I appreciate your compassion at this point,
but I’m sure if something horrific comes out of her nouth about her involvment with Haleigh, IF it does, you’d rethink your position, I would think
ofcourse i would just like the one you’ll have when shes innocent???????
well Jaba,imo you act like you hate her,how do you know what she’s done just like i dont??
i know that misty (and anyone else involved) will and should have to pay for any involvement they do have in the haleigh case…and i also know that to a certain degree her own choices have put her here at this place in time…
but i definitely see that from the way she grew up, she completely lacked the skills necessary to make the “right” choices, as well as the educational opportunities…
and i, for one, simply cannot imagine what it must be like to be 18 yrs old, sitting in that jail, and not having a single thing to hope for for one’s future. the outlook, no matter how you look at it, is very bleak…and if she “deserves” it, well, then, she deserves it…but if she doesn’t…oh god, its just so sad.
imo
don’t insult me because i have a heart!
exactly tough!
vaquera said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
No, I don’t remember but I will look.LOL I do know Chelsea’s mother has ties to VA.
Do you remember when Chelsea gave birth and it was talked about over there? I suck at searching crap out.
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I believe that’s when the Mom lived around Spotsylvania and Orange and they had went to see them.So,it wasn’t really criminal,something about custody obstruction.The baby was born July 16 ’09
Cathy,
Cold or not, its reality, which they all, and we, have to face.
Do whatever makes you feel good about mistsys situation. I’m cool with that. You know you don’t need my blessing to do anything. I’m nobody in all of this and realize it.
And why not include that passage? Is that not the type of info she can use to help herself if she’s been wronged? Its the only defense she has, imo.
and before you get nasty cuz i know you will,i only said what i had to say after you insulted me by saying i felt sorry for her is why i wanted her not guilty,
My husband was murdered and thats a cruel damn statement!
I’mn sure his family felt sorry,but i knew he was guilty!
She hasn’t been charged in the haleigh case, cathy. So there is no change of mind necessary to me either way. If she’s charged, then I can llok at the evidence and form an opinion.
Imo, based on the evidence I’ve seenn she is guilty of trafficking. I won’t be on a jury and I’m far from a judge, so none of it will matter. I do not plan on doing anything for the case than reading an posting here about it.
You have bigger plans and I wish you the best of luck. Your heart is in the right place, for sure. 🙂
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in May 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am I’ve had Lindsay’s back UNTIL I heard how hateful she is towards the dog…. that being said.. she is getting what she deserves. Now someone needs to let her out to pee and then put her back in her cage..
Someone that is so vindictive towards animals will only treat children the same way…..
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ilovetheshowmadmen
Don’t listen to that bs,you are not ridiculous.If a person is abusive to an innocent animal,it shows what kind of person they are.People treat animals and children the same.If a person abuses an animal,because they have no heart or patience,they’ll treat kids the same way.If animals are well cared for and spoiled,that’s how children are treated.
I’ll bbl guys,now isn’t good,lol
IMHO Misty never had a chance….. but then I must be careful as some will defend HC & MC to the max..and I am not judging whom or how this child was lost thru the cracks, but IMHO she experienced neglect, by parents, educators, society…. I have not been as obvious or blatant as OJ 😉 but I truly feel sorry for this child. Yes she is impetuous, out of control, and was an unprepared TEENAGER when she was set out to care for two small children, chronologically not much older than herself. Where was or are the adults???
I find it very interesting to hear Tommy on many of these tapes ask incessantly about Timmy and how desperate he is to reach Timmy. (even before Lindsy shut him off) Just as Tommy cut off LC about “Misty on the couch”, my ears peaked when he talked on this latest tape of “they did the same thing to Timmy”..
Always those little statements, to me seem to speak volumes to the potential reality of what happened to precious HaLeigh, rather than the never ending “I love you bro, man, sissy, et al” and “I’m tired and my head, ear, back, neck, hip, teeth, sunburn,etc etc” comments. IMHO
Sorry Jan I posted that link to AH article before I read your comment.
Take it down a notch cathy, no one is being cruel to you or your feelings.
Your prior life is none of my business nor do I bring it up.
If you have been reading your posts, like I have, I feel like you feel sorry for her. You’ve said as much, right? Nothing wrong with that. Glad you have such a compassionate heart.
You don’t want her to be guilty, but how do we get past the video tapes of dealing and admittance on jail tapes? Entrapment? Ok, well, she has a remedy for that under the law. I hope she gets a fair chance at a proper defense.
My 6:04 post wasn’t in response to anything you’ve said.
*jnet* ~ i agree ! i too, was wondering how important the statement tommy made about timmy was… i may have missed some info along the way, but were timmy & chelsea “cleared” specifically by LE because of chelsea’s timeline/alibi for the both of them that night? did they both take LDT as well? or was there ever a need to, from LE perspective?
either i missed it, or i simply don’t remember…
but with LE clearing JO, and chelsea’s back and forth opinion on his possible involvement, it sure raises some questions with me.
imo
Tommys ‘love yous’ seem to be code for change the subject.
Tough,
Are any of these folks actually cleared or are do they have good enough stories and no real proof of their lying has been corrborated?
*jaba* ~ that’s exactly what i’m wondering here…either i “missed” it, or i simply don’t remember.
Denise said, in May 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
ilovetheshowmadmen said,in May 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am I’ve had Lindsay’s back UNTIL I heard how hateful she is towards the dog…. that being said.. she is getting what she deserves. Now someone needs to let her out to pee and then put her back in her cage..
Someone that is so vindictive towards animals will only treat children the same way…..
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You are ridiculous!!
Why am I ridiculous, nisey? Did I hit a nerve or something? I can have my opinion.. and you can think what you want…..
Would you want her to take care of your dog? Obviously you are not an animal lover.. and hopefully you have no children..
toughcookie…. Ever time I think I have followed this case or have enough knowledge to discuss it, I realize I am clueless!!! IMO there seems to be a fair amount of news articles (some contradictory) about how in depth TImmy and Chelsea have been investigated.. They have been interviewed for several hours, (my understanding from news articles) however, not high on the person of interest meter?? It just all sounds way too hinky to me with the move to MA., Chelsea’s love fest with AH, and to a certain degree NG (which again IMHO, I thought she looked higher than a kite) the Leonard Padilla connection , which again IMHO he wouldn’t be giving them the time of the day if he didn’t think it would benefit him and provide media attention.. I think Timmy and Chelsea (Lindsy too for that maatter) know a whole lot more than some realize. IMHO
What do you think?
WinterRose said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
vaquera said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
No, I don’t remember but I will look.LOL I do know Chelsea’s mother has ties to VA.
Do you remember when Chelsea gave birth and it was talked about over there? I suck at searching crap out.
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I believe that’s when the Mom lived around Spotsylvania and Orange and they had went to see them.So,it wasn’t really criminal,something about custody obstruction.The baby was born July 16 ‘09
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thanks. I knew it was in July just couldn’t remember when.
Hmm. I wonder whose custody was obstructed? I know Chelsea has a little brother I wonder if it had something to do with that? Her big brother is wanted by the popo in FL.
WinterRose… THANK YOU, My Friend!!!!
CathyJo – Im still laughin about that funeral story you told! HAHAAAAAAAAAAAA
I tell everybody and they laugh too!
Jada…. I so agree with you about the “I love yous” I ask the very same question some time ago when (not this last dump) I would hear either especially Tommy or Lindsy saying that….. i.e. “I threw away your work boots” “WTF” I love you…. I know exactly what you mean!! I have thought is was a code phrase for a long time. Whew thanks for the sanity check sometimes I think I dream these scenarios up in my imagination…
lol *jnet* ~ i know just what you mean about thinking you have enough info..and then, out of nowhere, something new comes along in this case.
i agree that perhaps timmy, chelsea, and lindsy all know “something”…not sure that they have all the info though, and actually, not even sure if they “know” the truth…i’m thinking they may know a little more then they’re willing to disclose, simply because of the fact that they are married couples.
so often, when one is married, one may know more then they ever wanted to know about what their spouse is involved in. i just don’t see being able to live in close quarters, being married to someone, having their children, and not asking the important questions…
imo
vaquera, Is it possible that Timmy took Chelsea’s younger sibling across state lines without permission thus it being federal? Hmmm.
It would be interesting to find out if Timmy/Chelsea had “stolen” somebody elses child.
Padilla gets more than 2500 dollars worth of ‘advertising’ on NG every night he’s on. About a million people watch her a night. Low ratings compared to other shows, but, if I could get a million people to look at a product or service I was offering for sale, the Ng show would be a cheap way to do it.
WhyLie said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
vaquera, Is it possible that Timmy took Chelsea’s younger sibling across state lines without permission thus it being federal? Hmmm.
It would be interesting to find out if Timmy/Chelsea had “stolen” somebody elses child.
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I don’t know. good question though and I wonder how we could find out?
i live in the same town as LP…lol…he’s been doing this stuff for years…but i have to admit, whenever i’ve seen him on NG in relation to this case, he always seems to have info on things that no one else has reported yet…
tough, That’s because he makes it up as he goes. LOL
*whylie* 😉
Yep, padilla has ‘sources’ and is sometimes right.
He’s a character, for sure.
I think he really woke up after the casey case in that he’s more careful about his actions.
I always think of LP and his big hat hooking up with Wayanne K in her Miss Kitty outfit.
Nancy Grace rerunning croslin tape stories tonight on her weekend show if anyone has missed something.
Remember, she’s formed her opinion against all but ron in this case.
Watcher beware.:)
*jaba* yes, he has a good rep as a bounty hunter, but getting involved sometimes in the actual cases, more personally, is a little eccentric…lol
i sure love it when ng goes over to him for comment, and he just non-chalantly blows something right out of the water…something that, if we could see ng’s face, would most likely have her jaw on her desk…haha
lmao *whylie* ~ “marshall dylan & miss kitty gone bad”….
tough, LOL
And there are always weird background noises from padillas live feed. Sometimes it sounds like someone dropped two ladders they were carrying and sometimes I hear a baby crying in the background. 🙂
how funny *jaba*…i’ve heard random noise, but never the baby…lol…
i admit, i don’t particularly care for ng…but i do watch occasionally for the info updates (the “bombshells”)lol…
as far as her opinion of ron goes, i think its interesting that, even in the face of certain questions, she will not even agree to look upon it objectively.
its almost like a LE person, who “has” their suspect, and even when proven wrong, will simply not admit it.
imo
I am sure LP is just trying to make a living, but it does crack me up when he is on NG…. thank goodness one guest that does not kiss her uh-huh and actually tells her she is wrong!! Oh man, can you imagine what poor NG’s husband must go thru when she gets home from a show that LP has been on..hah!
I agree “toughcookie”, I think the in-laws (wives) know more than they are saying, but just IMHO. Not sure how you can talk on the phone daily, get high together, arrested together, in addition to living and having children together, provide alibi’s for events that seem to be changing, and not know just a bit more than they acknowledge. Still would really like to know if Cheslea was shopping around a Misty letter to the highest bidder.. truly she could not be that ignorant to not know the cops already had it???
Please let me clarify, the get high together was not in reference to the wives, that appears to be a manly bonding session in the Croslin family… I was referring to the family in general… I still find it profoundly sad the cycle is generational.
lol *jnet* i doubt that LP kisses ANYONE’S ***!
yes, i was wondering if that thing with the letter was a fact or ??? i know it was on AH, from what i’ve read, and i of course heard hank sr. mention it on the tape w/ misty…was that really true ? do you know ?
Jnet and Tough,
On ng:
She always talks glowingly of her twins and that makes me cringe becasue I can see right before she winds those phrases up and let’s um fly. I’m happy she loves those kids. She seems genuine abou that though the comments are very ‘sugar) like a Jolt Cola. I bet you won’t be snatching her kids from her presence even if have a bazooka trained on her. She’s going to kick the ass of the projectile with her eybrows if nothing else. That’s the way a strong parent would act. Save the kids at all costs. All costs.
I don’t ever hear her speak glowingly of her husband but maybe 2% of the time compared to the kids. She probably loves him and I bet he knows when to back off an argument with her. 🙂
On padilla: if I’m doing a live spot for roughly 3 minutes on national tv, I’d appreciate whoever is in the house, whether its ladder salesmen or my grandaughter who is teething, if they would KEEP IT DOWN during my spot, you know? Its so goofy. I look for new noises from his feed everytime. I’ve even tivoed one just to make sure it wasn’t coming from my attic. 🙂
funny you should mention that “generational cycle”…
just this week, someone i know of (16 yrs old), got in trouble for smoking pot. first time, apparently. his parents both had the big “talking to”, and then wanted to have a “family meeting” involving the 16 yr old’s older brother (who does not do drugs) to “straighten him out”…
i had to laugh…while the 16 yr old’s parents are not together, and have never been married, they both came together (for once) on this issue and decide to come down hard on the kid, however, they BOTH smoke pot themselves!!! the father, to a heavy degree…and they have since they were both teenagers.
i was incredulous…yes, perhaps they want better for their child, but shouldn’t that have started by setting a better example ? not really fair imo to come down hard on him, when they are both doing it themselves (and did so when they were even younger then 16 themselves)
idk…jmo
oh great *jaba*…lol now you’re going to have ME looking out for those LP background noises!!
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“toughcookie” haha I don’t think LP does either… right, wrong or indifferent, I do respect his standards/character tho! I haven’t a clue about the second letter, I think the first one AH had on was actually posted on the blog site MarinerDave (it was copied here by a poster) and the second one, is I think, what Chelsea was supposedly shopping around….. who knows? Quite frankly I wouldn’t be surprised, but I do not know for sure….. As a side note, I also am on the west coast and our weather here is rain rain and more rain!! Hope yours is a bit better “touchcookie”! Time for dinner and a family night of movies!! Take good care all!!! (if they pick bad movies I will be back tho lol)
i understand that ng is proud of her children…all of us mothers are…however, i’ve posted here before that i think she’s really doing them a disservice, as far as their safety goes, by splashing their pics all over tv. many celebrities go to great lengths to be sure their children aren’t filmed, or photographed, and with good reason ! seems in this day and age, one can’t be too careful…there are nutjobs all over the place, and there are as many ng detractors as there are supporters, imo. would hate to think she may be putting them in jeopardy.
Even if LE had the letter and she knew it, it wouldn’t be surprising of her trying to sell it before they released it, if ever. Since no one has been charged in Haleighs case, I don’t think the sunshine laws could have made LE put it out.
I don’t agree with her selling it. But she aint got much as it is and figured shed try to remedy that.
Art harris, showed some piece of paper on ng saying he had a copy. I don’t know where he got it but he seemed to have the jist of the letter accurate.
There such a big difference in a report, my sources close to the case tell me, I have learned from etc…
A sources lie is just that, a lie.
Hard to tell with this gang on who is telling the truth.
From ron to johnny shieffield and all in between and around this case, I’d like to see video and audio proof of anything they say and video and audio proof of some evidence to support their claims or assertions.
Jnet, It was said today or yesterday that Chelsea is shopping the letter(s) from Misty in exchange for a car to take her husband to work and her kids to school. LE does have copies but, not releasing them to the public.
LP is getting his info from the Croslin family, they tell him anything and everything for cash and gifts (cars).
I think Lindsey has finally seen the light. She is on her own, for at least the next 2yrs and 2months. It is costing her a fortune to keep Tommy happy with commissary money and phone calls. And the dog, animals are expensive to take proper care of. Just saying, it’s an expense she can’t afford. She has every right to be bitter. I just hope that she makes the right decisions but, she is young….
have a great night *jnet*!!
T,
I see your point on the kids and splashing them out there, especially with what she reports on nightly.
She probably has security of some sort and is very careful. But, like you said, nutjobs are out there and they don’t really have a rule book they go by.
*jaba* & *stillucy* that’s right, i do remember AH holding up a piece of paper on NG.
that’s too bad that a family member would sell out a personal (between the two of them and LE, of course) letter…or feel that that was their only option to be able to take care of their family…
Lindsy just playin games.
they are wierd.
does anyone know if lindsy’s divorce from tommy is still “on hold”, or what that was all about? just curious…
TC, They have no scrupples…….They would have to know how to care for their family members to understand it. IMO
Tommy’s attorney said the divorce was on hold, if, you believe his attorney. Lindsey truely sounds fed up with the whole bunch, to me. Hopefully, she follows through with it. She needs to grow up and move on at least for the kids sake. What a life……….
thanks *stillucy* i agree with you on that. i said it earlier today, seems like she has finally HAD IT with him, the family, the whole situation.
imo
you guys *have a great night* ! i’m off for now 🙂
vaquera May 29th, 2010 at 6:48
I wonder whose custody was obstructed? I know Chelsea has a little brother I wonder if it had something to do with that? Her big brother is wanted by the popo in FL.
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What is Chelseas maiden name? Anyone know?
That’s where her mom and brother lived for awhile,according to the Mom’s myspace.But,the little bro has Mass on his myspace now.
The little 16 yo bro has at the end of myspace url…smoke_weed_everyday0214.Geesh!
wowe did lindsy say tommy and misty are perfect for each other- perfect incsestual family.. eww
shes confused- feels so sorry for herself- doesnt even have it that bad- she knew her husband was a druggie. goodness.. she said I love you and then your inscest family. wierdo.
oh and did u notice my tan? and my shorts were too short-
flirty sick desperate- low-
WinterR,
Now that kid is going places. 🙂
Hey ToughCookie
Date Docket Description
2010-04-28 001.CIVIL COVER SHEET
2010-04-28 002.PETITION FOR DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE
2010-04-30 003.SUMMONS ISSUED TO: HANK CROSLIN
2010-04-30 004.FILING FEE RECEIPT
2010-05-10 005.RTN OF SVC ON HANK CROSLIN SVD 05/03/10 DUE 05/23/10
2010-05-10 DEFAULT AVAIL 05/28/10
2010-05-10 006.RESPONSE TO SUMMONS : HANK CROSLIN
Jan,
Don’t understand why my 2:39pm post was removed. It took some thought writing it, after which I had to go out. When I returned it was gone. Didn’t think there was any sensitive material there. Was there a reason that escaped me?
Thanks,
MaryD
I saw someone was talking about child cusody interefernce,I dunno if Chelsea was but i know Ann Sykes was charged for that in a case including her daughter Katina,Kristana,not sure of name!
toughcookie said,in May 29th, 2010 at 7:35 pm i understand that ng is proud of her children…all of us mothers are…however, i’ve posted here before that i think she’s really doing them a disservice, as far as their safety goes, by splashing their pics all over tv. many celebrities go to great lengths to be sure their children aren’t filmed, or photographed, and with good reason ! seems in this day and age, one can’t be too careful…there are nutjobs all over the place, and there are as many ng detractors as there are supporters, imo. would hate to think she may be putting them in jeopardy
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Did you ever see the tape of where she accused Crystal sheffield of “whoring and “exploiting ” JR on tv!
Lindsy Croslin let Austin play a ‘GRAND THEFT AUTO’ type game and is VENOMOUS, HATEFUL to the dog, who is unfortunate to be left with her.
Hopefully, both the DOG and 5-yr old Austin are placed IN A DECENT HOME with healthy, mature adults who will love and care for them.
jaba said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
WinterR,
Now that kid is going places. 🙂
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Along with the rest of the…what did Lindsy say,the perfect what family?Goodness…
jaba said,in May 29th, 2010 at 6:30 pm Take it down a notch cathy, no one is being cruel to you or your feelings.
Your prior life is none of my business nor do I bring it up.
If you have been reading your posts, like I have, I feel like you feel sorry for her. You’ve said as much, right? Nothing wrong with that. Glad you have such a compassionate heart.
You don’t want her to be guilty, but how do we get past the video tapes of dealing and admittance on jail tapes? Entrapment? Ok, well, she has a remedy for that under the law. I hope she gets a fair chance at a proper defense.
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Exactly and thats the subject we were discussing!
when you chose to insult me implying i
would feel sorry for her even if she was guilty,and by reading my posts you certainlty should know better than that and theres nothing me or you could do to help her guilty or not and i don’t plan to prove it to the judge,jury anybody! It was an opinion i was discussing with tough and ohers! so no i won’t take that down a notch,a grind or anything else……now,lets move on!
I’m over it!
winter,you saw the tape right? i hope…….if not you’re in for a treat!
Kristie
I don’t know,but the poor me,I need money for this and that does get really old,since they know people are stupid enough to send them money.They know they’re being taped and people are listening.Some of them need to stand up and support themselves.
My response to this story is filled with so many ifs. If Tommy is innocent in this Haleigh story ( which I doubt) then I hope he gets his time done for the drugs and hope that his wife can stick it out until then. It would really take dedication for Lindsy and the mindset of being a single mother.If he is guilty of murdering Haleigh or something of the sorts, then I hope he gets what is coming. I hope Lindsy moves on and can forget about him and what he has done and instead focus on her kids. I wonder what or if Misty and Tommy were doing on the couch that he didn’t want noone to talk about.
I can see why you think that way too Jason,she paid attention when the lil boy said he didn’t wanna talk to daddy,prolly cuz he had his mind on something else the way kids do but she made sure tommy felt it??
Michelle,me too…Move on and protect her kids and givem what they need most!
A mother!
Dylan said,in May 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm;
What is Chelseas maiden name? Anyone know?
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Bergen
Thanks WinterRose for the date Chelseas baby was born. Do you know if she was in Fl or Mass when she had the baby?
Anyone remember about the key to the mobile home. It was put out that Misty had lost her key and AS found it. In the tape where Misty is talking with her dad she said she gave her key back to Ronald so she did not have a key.
As far as the drug charges go , the police have been doing these types of stings for many years. By now , the lawyers have filed motions using the entrapment defense in all the pre-trial hearings. Apparently they all have been DENIED! IMO there is no entrapment defense. So , stop trying to say they are not getting good legal counsel , because every lawyer knows the entrapment defense. From all the tapes , they all KNOW they are guilty as charged and have already come to the realization that the will serve time in prison for their criminal activities. The ex-bride seems happy now that she will finally get an education while in prison. I don’t feel sorry for any of them for their choices in life. I do feel sorry for the young children in all this mess though , because they had no choice being born into their situations. Hopefully the cycle of being uneducated ends with their generation. Highly unlikely , but there’s still hope! Again , this is all just my honest opinion.
Grand theft auto? sheeeeeeeeesh! theres a proud moment….ahhhhhhhh i could afford to buy my kid a Grand theft auto game! lol
Yeah CathyJo, more than anything right now she needs to be strong for those kids since Tommy isn’t looking so great.
Sure cathy, when you are ready so am I. 🙂
On another note, I didn’t realize their was bad blood between this site and ah’s. I read comment #74 on his “hank croslin bashing post” on his site and have to say, he was way ruder than I would have imagined.
not sure but almost sure she was in mass!
thatd be a first Jaba! ruder,lmao mhmm
right Michelle,its still their daddy and bashing him to them will only cause anger!!
CathyJo that is what I got from the article also; that Chelsea was in mass already when she had their last child. Earlier we were trying to figure out how long it was after Haleighs disappearance when they up and moved to mass.
mary,was it anything brought from AH site,mine were removed too because someone told him i posted it here and he notified Jan i believe to remove it,lol
all i know issssssssssssss real quick Looking,lol
Lindsy lives rent free, bills under $200/month (which G-PA or one her roomates could/did pay for her).
Her anger is directed at the dog; he’s her punching bag. Complains about him costing $20/month to feed.
$20/month? What’s she feeding him? Ground corn? Is $20/month ALL she spends on the dog?
You’re a horrible role model for Austin, Lindsy. He needs to learn to show respect, love and care for animals, not how to ABUSE them.
Playing ‘Grand Theft Auto’ sure is helping him to grow up and steal, just like his Daddy, whom you WISH cold be released from prison now, to save you from feeling lonely.
Chelsea’s baby was born before they left for Mass. They left a couple days after her birth.
oh,so she was in mass before wasn’t she,i thought she moved there right after the bay was born,lol sorry i am confused and i know i did you.but now that you do know did she have it here or mass??
Hey…kelley,
Usually you hear a defendant scream entrapment well before their trial as their attorneys have to tip off the prosecution by the demands of discovery they make.
Its hard to “sneak attack” or blindeside a prosecutor with the entrapment defense unless something new comes up mid trial, imo anyway.
CathyJo did you remember anything about the house key?
ohhhhhhhhhh,ok whylie,thats what i thought??
CJ, Chelsea had the baby in Florida and then moved to Mass. I think it was Gainesville that the baby was born.
one thing,Misty said she gave it back before she left ron that day?? is that what you mean?
think she said TN had one!
WhyLie so all the Mayhem went down at the end of July and first week of August and had a dominoe effect.
some have no grounds tho Jaba……in all fairness and imo they set out to entrap a minor but arrested her as an adult?
thats allz i’m saying,not beind mean!
I find it interesting that Amber’s mama got out of dodge. Marty, Connie, Marcus, and Ruby got out of dodge. Chelsea and Timmy got out of dodge. Am I leaving anybody out?
Cathy, he posted your comments. They’re still there.
He’s in defense mode for sure after hanks accusations.
looking for Justice said,in May 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm CathyJo did you remember anything about the house key?
Is that what you meant?
well well well but he don’t want his here,rofl
this i gotta see
Not to make light on a serious subject, but you could play a drinking game with all of these Tommy tapes when he says “This/That is BS”
wait,whats he mean wrong dock searched????????
Todd, LOL. So true.
Could anyone tell me where I can find the comment about the boots being thrown away? Can’t seem to find that.
rofl todd,and i don’t know my a$$ from a hole in the ground game??
CathyJo63 said, in May 29th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
mary,was it anything brought from AH site,mine were removed too because someone told him i posted it here and he notified Jan i believe to remove it,lol
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Hi CathyJo,
Nope it was straight from my head, thru my fingers to the keyboard. Just a psychological analysis of Tommy from my intuition. Didn’t think I said anything wrong…but I feel so dejected right now. Now I’ll have to do an analysis of myself….lol
Coolio, cathyjo. Not taking any of your comments as mean. 🙂
By all the Mayhem refer to my 1:44pm post it will help you understand what I am talking about.
lol imo games don’t make ppl kill and all but you do et an example ya know and these kids have seen plenty of it already!
cool,not gonna say any mean! Jaba i jumped the gun when i saw that i was being accused imo of taking up for somebody guilty and nooooooooooo not me,ever! thats all…….i forgot it already,Cool!!!!!!!!! but i can’t make a smiley!
mary,if you’i’d demand it back then,we wanna see that!!!!!LoL
Lindsy complains about Tom’s ‘free electric, cable and food’, well – what about the freebies she collects? Tom paid for her gym membership, G-Pa gave her cars, her previous home and current one, the federal government bought food for her and the children . . .
Lindsy said: “Poor Lindsy, I’m a good girl – I don’t do anything, and I still get *”.
HM LITLLE BEAR,LEMME SEE
Its funny how we had ‘drive by rants’ from new nics in the last two days and I read ah’s comments. Maybe his followers just aren’t very well behaved.
Who knows. So many people following this case you are bound to have speedbumps between people along the way.
Yes CathyJo that is what I meant. We all were talking a few weeks ago about the fact that Misty had lost her key somewhere, but AS found it. How could she have lost her key if she gave it back to Ronald when he allegedly threw her into a mirror and rolled her up into a ball because she showed him a positive pragnacy test and then packed her up and took her to her brothers home and left her there.
did it looking,k gonna go look at AH comments,lol gotta see that,lol and look for lilbears thing
Cathy, try a colon : and a right parentheses ) one space past your last character or punctuation on your sentence.
🙂
Poooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Lindsy. Boo, hoo, hoo.
She is VENOMOUS – replay the last few minutes of the audio and you’ll see one of the games she plays best.
Reading all this puts Lyndsy’s statement about throwing away Tommy’s work boots in a different light. Why was it so important for her to tell him this, and after she went to Mass no less.
Elle, lets not forget she also said she threw out Timmy’s…. I felt she gave them to LE with other.
It was a red flag then, and even more so now. I had asked if soil from the boots would be able to be used for forensic testing to see what part of the woods/area these two were in. I now will assume that LE did get soil samples and more off the boots and Timmy may be joining Tom or Ronald real soon.
almost found it,brb
CathyJo you can find this article in AH archives April 20th,2009 Cristina Prevatt Mistys pal Nay Nay speaks. What really gets me on this article you will find that what Misty has stated to her dad in the last tapes can corraborate what Nay Nay said back then. Misty only did pot, until she met Ronald. You will find this article has alot of info as well.
Whose the ‘niece” Tom mentioned? Was there a question on his LDT about an incestuous relationship with one of his nieces?
hm ok but cant post it! ,lol
Lindsy jealous of Tom’s relationship with his sister?
LiL Bear you can read it there as looking said!
lol sorry,tried but couldn’t find a link except AH!
Jason @852
Agreed.
Gta is bad enough if you have good sense and guidance and a mature mind. Filling kids heads with all those nasty adventures on that game is over the top wrong.
Adults can choose and while the game isn’t for me, an adult playing it is part of the freedom we have in the U.S. But, do we really have to have a game that violent and over the top?
And on lindsy, I wish shed just give the dog up. She doesn’t need it nor want it. Let someone else have a chance to feed and care for the dog past a 20 dollar bill. Sheesh.
And when that dog playfully bites one of her kids and scars them for life being afraind of dogs, she’ll beat the dog. No question in my mind. The dog is an animal and needs to be ‘owned’ not just ‘kept’.
RIGHT LOOKING AND MISTY TOLD HANK THAT TOO!
see threw out tommy and timmys boots?????? why throw out both??
CathyJo, she may have told Tom that she threw out his work boots JUST BECAUSE she WANTED TO HURT HIM.
She is MEAN, and TRIES to hurt him with her words.
let me tell ya too guys,if she is mean to a pitbull,she’s asking to be attacked or her kids,and i’d say the dog misses tommy,true enough but i’m sute tommy molded it after himself….get rid of it!
Hank Sr said how bad Misty had gotten hanging out with Amber and Nay Nay. We know they were both doing drugs and Misty knew and hung out with them long before she met Ron.
Jaba @ 9:17, ITA, let the dog live with someone who will love and care for him – take him for walks, play with him, treat him humanely.
no she told him on tape awhileeee back she threw his and timmys out! and they were nice then,infact i believe his answer was ” I love you”
jaba – The drug cases are well beyond the discovery phase. The prosecution has already presented all the evidence in the pre-trial hearings. The defense has already filed every motion to dismiss to the court and they all have been DENIED. It’s time for the defendants to decide either a trial by jury or let the Judge decide their guilt or innocent. I’m just tired of people in here saying they were entraped or that their prior abuse made them make the choices they made. That is all a crock of BULL MANURE !!! The typical defense of all guilty criminals is to blame the past abuse for their present problems !!! It’s all BS !!! Again , this is all just my honest opinion.
yes whylie he did!!!!
Werter said it was Tommy that gave the recent tip. We all hear Tommys call with G.Hollar he does not say Joes name. He does not give any details like Shell Harbour, the cinder blocks, yellow rope etc… G. Hollar said Misty told her in the 15 minute phone call that same day right after Tommys call about all the detailed info. We know from NG that it was Chelsea that gave G.Hollar the Shell Harbour location. Can someone tell me why Misty felt it was so important that G.Hollar call A.S. to tell her the info, in which led A.S. and T.N. over to Shell Harbour to do a search of their own all afternoon per Annette Sykes on the NG show?
The dog needs to go to a home where he is WANTED.
WinterRose said,in May 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm Kristie
I don’t know,but the poor me,I need money for this and that does get really old,since they know people are stupid enough to send them money.They know they’re being taped and people are listening.Some of them need to stand up and support themselves.
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yea seems like shes whining- needs to get off her Butt and get a Job I worked 2 jobs for 10 yrs- my parents kicked me out at 15 and I made it all on my own. she can too.
she shouldnt be crying to her husband he cant do nothin for her.
Perhaps there was something that came out of Misty that corraborated some sort of evidence that LE has. Perhaps the real tip came from Misty without her being aware that she gave it. I notice when the Croslin siblings get excited they forget they are being recorded.
A pitbull is not an ‘inside dog’ mh or cage or apartment. Just isn’t enough room to play.
CathyJo63 said,in May 29th, 2010 at 9:12 pm Reading all this puts Lyndsy’s statement about throwing away Tommy’s work boots in a different light. Why was it so important for her to tell him this, and after she went to Mass no less.
Elle, lets not forget she also said she threw out Timmy’s…. I felt she gave them to LE with other.
It was a red flag then, and even more so now. I had asked if soil from the boots would be able to be used for forensic testing to see what part of the woods/area these two were in. I now will assume that LE did get soil samples and more off the boots and Timmy may be joining Tom or Ronald real soon.
almost found it,brb
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oh guysssss this post i didn’t make,i ccp all of it to show lil bear cuz couldn’t find the entire artcle for him,
why i added almost found it,lol
I hate to think what the three children have seen Lindsy say, and do to the dog.
exactly right Jaba! its asking for trouble,like that chimp!
its stupid is what it is,she gets on the internet she needs to type in pitbull attacks!
yea,too torture their daddy!
he aint worth salt in his cornbread Jason,true but he’s their daddy!!!!!!!!!!!
LFJ, I think all the mayhem was crazy. I do not believe that Haleigh OD’d and I do not believe that LE believes she did. They searched and drained the Mondex based on the statements of psycho Joe, who has a history of trying to defraud for money. I think he was just trying to get the reward money.
Chelsea and Timmy should have been questioned in depth before they ever left Florida, and given LDT. Heck they all should have been given LDT right from the start. Makes me wonder why they weren’t.
Wasn’t Chelsea’s the one walking around with Misty. Misty had a cig in one had and Chelsea’s
had one too. She would have been 4 months pg.
and smoking!!!! Not even a Croslin!!!OMG
then she says she’ll report that Hank took””” her money but in the job interview she needed him to babysit!
for free!
imo thats a nasty person!
I don’t know Linsey but I imagine she fell in love with Tommy for some reason. Who know’s maybe her family didn’t use the words “I love you”, often and it was music to her ears in that family. What she may not have realized is that they are just that words. I think she somehow stood by him through all his antics, and put some bated trust in him. She may be an enabler and doesn’t realize it. She now realizes his actions have destroyed their lives, their future and possibly the life of an innocent child. Who wouldn’t be fed up. Maybe the dog is a bad family choice. I sure wouldn’t pick a pit bull with small kids in the house. One of my fifty million theories was that maybe his dog got a hold of Haleigh that night and attacked her. We don’t know all of the variables here. So, I am trying to be unbiased. This is just MO…and who knows if it will even remain here. lol
not even a croslin..roflmao!
dang her now,that aint right!
Hkelley,
I agree with you.
If all motions are done and we are just waiting to impanel a jury or take it before judge then I doubt an entrapment defense is coming.
I wasn’t aware all of what you said was done, was done. Thx for the info.
We’ll see something on it the week after next.
yea in tommys side mary,they all say it!
but i’d rather have it proven than said,anybody can say it! as a matter of fact,i’ll prolly never say it to anybody again! They’ve made me hate it!
I might just say,I hate you to ppl and maybe they’ll think i lovem anway,lol
Jaba – there are rescues to take un-wanted Pitbulls. Hopefully one or more will hear about him, and step into take him from Lindsy to place him in a better home.
atleast put an effort into it,rofl
WhyLie can you check please when Joe Pytco was arrested? See if it was in July 2009 or after. Then we will know if perhaps he is the one who gave LE the info and how the rumor originated. Thank you. I would do it, but I am not that handy with that kind of research.
WhyLie does anything in my 9:21pm post make any sense to you?
I am not holding my breath on Lindsy learning anything, after all after this visit she still was there in court for him.
If she wants to do by right by her children she would divorce Tommy, get full custody, and change all of their names to anything besides Croslin.
even chelsea said in the other article Jo couldn’t have done it! she’s lying! imo to cover for jo and tommy and herself maybe!
CathyJo
You are too funny! lmao
Love you! lol
if she don’t,I’ve nothing left for Lindsey,not that she cares but i would care what everyone thought of me!
To ‘do right’ for her children, she needs to do a whole lot more than divorce Tom. A psych evaluation, counseling, parenting classes are in order for Lindsy, for starters.
why,what did i do now,lol?
oh,I hate you,lol well its getting old to me!lol
i never realized how ugly that phrase is these days,omg
rofla@So, I am trying to be unbiased. This is just MO…and who knows if it will even remain here. lol
CathyJo,
I really enjoy reading the articles that you post. It helps bring back the forgotten…and with my memory that is a lot of material.
Thanks
Lindsy’s info in the vid about Timmy hanging out at bars.And then telling Chelsea he’s coming to bed when a movie is over,she wakes up and he’s gone.Interesting lifestyle.
I’d like to see it back Mary,now i won’t be able to sleep thinking about what it said,my radars up but not big as tommys i am sure! lol
So Chelsea saying JO took the van the night of HaLeigh’s disappearance,in reality could be anyone after she went to sleep.She said they were woke up at 4am,but went back to sleep,but later realized it was important.But still didn’t go over there till later that morning after going to the hospital to pick Lisa up.Makes me wonder,why didn’t they leave right then at Misty’s call,that they didn’t deem as important when a child is missing at 4am and police are looking for her.Was the van there at that time,and if it wasn’t,who actually had it?
LFJ, I think that Shell Harbor was well known to all the Florida Croslins, especially given that Hank and Lisa lived around the corner. I believe that is the same location that Tommy said that JO gave his speal about being a good place to get rid of a body. I don’t believe that JO said that. It was very cold that winter and little gator activity. Gators do not eat when it is cold.
I can see Misty wanting AS and TN to be told. As much as many don’t like to admit it, they were the most stable family life that Misty had ever had.
After all of that time, I can see AS and TN going out and searching. I know I would have. Not like their local LE has found Haleigh.
yea,like mine Mary,I swear hunny,my memory fades in seconds most day but hey,I meet new friends ever day! lol
Divorcing Tom isn’t the solution to Lindsy’s ‘issues’.
She repeatedly mentions feeling ‘lonely’, in this video, others, and on her YouTube channel.
Her biggest concern is that she feels ‘lonely’. Tom back home, back in her bed, means she won’t be feeling lonely anymore.
Replacing Tom with another won’t change her personality problems, or make her a better parent.
but ty Mary,i do tho cause shoot i forget the older info,heck i forget todays info but ya know,need a refresher!
But AH made her remove MY article,rofl sheeeeeeeesh
Timmy says he woke up at 1 am and jo was gone?????? pftttt
i guess thats when chelsea missed timmy,rofl
Sorry, had to step away. Looking at AH for the boot thing. No luck so far. Still looking. When I google it I can see it is in there somewhere, but I haven’t found it yet. Thanks for looking!!!
Where is the video of Lyndsey saying that about Timmy?
In the article CathyJo brought over from AH.com earlier there is a complaint from Ronald after the ratgate and fight against Timmy for calling him on the phone from Mass and calling Ronald a faggot A** B**ch, it says Ronald made this complaint against Timmy because he felt threatened.
it was just in the artcle!
WhyLie said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I am not holding my breath on Lindsy learning anything, after all after this visit she still was there in court for him.
If she wants to do by right by her children she would divorce Tommy, get full custody, and change all of their names to anything besides Croslin.
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exactly and standing next to his atty when he did a presser. Both of them are too stupid for words if they believe Tommy is getting out in less than 3 years. Did they all forget the other drug charges, the grand theft and other burglary charges he has pending?
I wonder if Tommy got wind of all those pictures of her with her new man?
yw bear,I tried!!!!
somebody told him Vaq!!!!!!
and i’d say too Vaq he will now think lindseys trying to get him sent off?? ya know,in his mind??? whoaa!
Little Bear said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Sorry, had to step away. Looking at AH for the boot thing. No luck so far. Still looking. When I google it I can see it is in there somewhere, but I haven’t found it yet. Thanks for looking!!!
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the boots thing came from an earlier Tommy/Lindsy tape and I have no idea which one it was.
Thank you WhyLie. I do not think Joe told Tommy that either. Ron talked about the gators on the Cobra tapes and talked about how they put their prey in burrows until they were ready to feed. I live here in Fl. It was extremely cold this winter and last winter.
CathyJo which article? I must have missed it.
I can’t remember when Joe Pytco was arrested , but I know that he signed a sworn affidavit that he was at a party at someones house (that someone I think his name was Jeff) and the ex-bride was there with Haleigh and Jr and Haleigh OD’ed on some pills. That’s where “white boy” Greg comes into the picture as does “Nay Nay”. The story goes that they put Haleigh in a cooler and dumped her the the Mondex lake. The police actually drained the lake and found nothing. That story has been proven to be nothing but another long list of LIES !!!
CathyJo63 said, in May 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
but ty Mary,i do tho cause shoot i forget the older info,heck i forget todays info but ya know,need a refresher!
But AH made her remove MY article,rofl sheeeeeeeesh
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So you can’t cut and paste articles if he writes them? Is there some legal reason for that? I’ve seen most of BNN articles posted on Scared Monkeys, didn’t know it was a sin…..
Heyitsmekelly, yes I knew all about that. I was just trying to find out when Joe Pytco was arrested to see when the rumor from July 2009 may have originated.Thank you
LFJ, Yes it was much to cold, I believe, for there to have been any kind of feeding frenzy of gators. I do believe, however, that the Harbor is where Tommy dumped the deer carcass and may have weighted that down so it wouldn’t float and him get popped for hunting out of season or something.
What does have me concerned though is that inside every lie is a bit of truth. To
My comments were posted,the names have been blurred out to protect the identity of the bald guy who posted them! just sayin
May 27th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
That is even beneath you *** *****.Should be but i guess ya need a story wehter its true or not…I could call you trash from just an email you sent me before…imo you should be ashamed to put that up,was it because Hank figured out you only wanted a storr *** ******..I rest my case!
You are lower than a snakes belly!
Hmmmmmmm as i see it ***,if Hank’s Trash?? Whats your excuse!and i am sure it’s not omo!!!!!!!!!!!
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44.CathyJo63 Says:
May 27th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
moderation,hmmmmmmmm wonder if Hank could have had his in moderation before you posted it,I DOUBT THAT!
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“Holiday Weekend said,in May 29th, 2010 at 2:23 pm Remember when Hank Sr was visiting Misty & he said he’d give anything to give Misty a backrub? WTF? Yep, I’ve always believed there was some type of molestation/incest going on.
Exhibit A: Tommy Croslins ears. Blood must run together somewhere in the lines.
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Ouch!! Sooooo not cooooolll. I ain’t neva did nuttin’ 2 nobody so why yer fingers got beef wit me? u knowed i’mma cutey and i sho ‘ppreciate it if u could help a cute set o’ thangs like me finda way to hop off this dumb ass dome i gotta sit on day in and day out. constantly got lindsay voice ringin’ in me and drivin’ ma owner crazier than a bed bug. Come on’, do yer daily good deed and help a cute set o’ flappers like me. I’m helpless here. 🙁
sorry,the one i posted earlier but had to remove it! about chelsea and timmy!
Yes it does WhyLie. I just cannot imagine It!! What a horrible thing to do to a child.
Dang not sure why that posted before I was finished.
Inside every lie is a bit of truth. I am concerned about Tommy saying he saw Haleigh in the van that night. While I don’t believe it was JO that had her in the van, if she indeed was in the van at all.
Who else in the family, all sides, had/have a van.
looking for Justice
It was on skynews,just listened to it,freaked me out.I guess the best way LE gets info from them is to tick them off.LOL
whats the article now tho that wrong dock was searched,yall know?
WinterRose do you have the link to that site? Greatky would appreciate it.
Mary,he contacted jan and had her remove mine?
WhyLIe That is what concerns me with this last search. LE was asking about a grey van being seen there in that area right before the search.
I’m hell bound to put out an article everybody in the nation has read Mary,lol
hm wonder if guys get jealous when women have hair…hmmmmmmm
looking for Justice
It was on TC JAIL DVD5-3 I’m sorry I can’t put a link to it.But if you go to thier homepage and click on the TC vid,at the bottom,you’ll get related videos.This should be there.
CathyJo I still kind of bad , because I asked you to retrieve it. Sorry about that. If I had known I would not have asked you to do it.
I don’t think links work here.
Thank you WinterRose.
nooooooooo,don’t worry about that,I wanted to retrieve it but didn’t wanna cause Jan problems,lol thats all…i knew you didn’t know just by asking???
brb somebody hit a tree
I don’t think Art Harris ‘owns’ the comments posted on his blog, because blog owners can’t be held accountable for comments left by others.
If he owned the comments, he could be held accountable in a claim for damages, and he could copyright the comments.
A person who posts a comment at AH site could post the same comment here and at other sites. AH doesn’t own anyone else’s comments.
CathyJo was it Tiger Woods?LOL!!!!
After listening to the way Tommy slams Misty I do not believe that there is any way he would cover for her, go to jail, loose his family. Tommy doesn’t love anybody that much, well except for himself.
rofl!!!!! Oh ok,now i see the golfclub!
trueeeeeee,Whylie,i think thats why tommy is guilty by himself!
Lindsy waited all this time to tell Tom she is jealous of his relationship with his sister?
i mean for one of my scenarios,shewwwwww got so many!
jealous of family,well lemme tell ya,the only way that could cross my mind is if i were guilty of something with a bro?? why else would that even enter your mind? …..jmo
what i wondered Jason!
He don’t care to put his out there!
people don’t just accuse you of family,my God!
thought maybe he needed some hair and God knows i got plenty! lol .jmo
no more cheap shots from me about him,Ive had good people talk about me?
LOL!!!! CathyJo
Emotional incest: having Austin tag-a-long on jail visits to be burdened with the problems he hears in adult conversation between his parents.
What’s 5-yr old Austin to think? Mommy hates Daddy/Mommy loves Daddy. Which is it?
don’t yall find mg statement funny??
how she let crystal spend the weekend with ronald when she was 14?? but he just never brought her back?
lol i remembered cobra said they stole kids in the family plenty!
The visit between Misty and Tommy the evening of the crime(after all this was going to be Joe’s last night in town, there had to be big plans being made for some fun). The argument the kids had about which movie to watch. The blanket and the sheet. Misty get’s emotional when talking about going to cover haleigh with the sheet. Were the kids home all evening(Misty is quick to discuss the truck and the van but never seems to talk about Naynay’s car) Maybe Amber or someone else was driving. The couch was bouncing. Maybe someone was trying to revive Haleigh. Junior saw chaos going on, he is the only other innocent victim and he misses his big sister more than anyone, she looks out for him. The dumpster, the plastic rose, the bricks, the rope, the river(although I feel she was buried somewhere) There had to be alot of movement. The early Naynay, Misty, WBG interviews reveal alot of information not that all three are involved. The timeline of a bunch of people AND their precious kids. In an early news broadcast reporting on this case, if you look carefully(in the background) Tommy walks up to Misty and she puts her hand on his chest and smiles with reassurance. There is much damage control to be done by all involved. Justice will prevail in this case because of the people who are dedicated to finding this beautiful little girl. I bet she has alot of friends at school, how does life look threw the eyes of the children….
HALEIGH and Junior know that you are loved all around the WORLD. All of our prayers will get to you and your family and you will be found.
CathyJo @ 10:15, or – “I’ve had better people say worse things about me!” LOL!
it could be lindsey saw sommin before too,who knows??? but i’d hate to have stayed with him??
MG was hardly the mother of the year. She was shacking up with Crystal’s uncle, dealing/doing drugs. Got popped. He went to jail, MG got probation.
Technically Crystal’s little sister is her cousin. All of these families have serious problems and not a one has room to point fingers at another for anything.
LoL Got me there,me tooooo!
I don’t talk about the neighbors,even if they ain’t no good!
her fiancee was her step bro,
wasn’t crystal and ron cuz’??
mg is low down imo
she wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped her!
i can just see my dtr going to an alder mans house for the weekend and he’s older too but don’t bing her back! who cares if he brought her back,she hgave her time to get preganant before he brought her back……..the dumbass!
hell,rent em a room for gods sake!
LillyValley that was a good post and you are right. There is alot of damage control going on. How sad! I love your ending to your post, because that is so true.
CJ, Ron and Crystal are close in age. I think just over a year difference. MG didn’t care as long as Crystal was not home bothering her lifestyle.
hmmmmm Lily,that could be and i’ll tell ya tho,i think if tommy did this.he dressed in black robbed misty,terrified her and she’s confused cause she don’t know its him? jmo in one of my scenarios
righttttttttttttt,oh i thought she was 3 yrs younger but i dunno why i think its worse,cause it aint then but its baddddd!
just to get her outta her hair,i agreeeeeee! ty for correcting me,
i can see lindsy’s point when she says that tommy is a married man, and should have been home with his wife, not out running around with his sister…i don’t see it as much as jealousy, as i see it as part of her anger towards him at all the stupid decisions he’s made that have landed them all in this position. i see her lashing out, and in fact, could see myself saying the same thing, angrily, sarcastically, if he were my man, and he had been out doing these things, making these irresponsible choices, instead of choosing our family first. i don’t see it as much to do with misty herself, as it is just a lashing out of the ENTIRE situation.
imo
WhyLie,Crystal and Ron are 2 and 1/2 years apart. That is not a big gap as he and Mistys.
Treece had posted their birthdays here a couple of months back.
Austin should be shielded from all of the jail house conversations until he is adult.
Lindsy might even play the recorded jail videos with Austin and his brother/sister in the room.
Having him listen in to her side of the jail conversations is not far removed from having him sit beside her watching the jail videos on her computer.
Maybe Timmy and Chelsea COULDN’T go over to the MH at 4:00 a.m. because the van wasn’t there to go in?… Maybe Joe and/or Timmy were out in the van?…
Just a thought.
thats very true too tough,it is!!!!!!!!!!
but i’d never say that,you know how when someones accusing you theyre doing it too,usually anyway…….thats what i meant buttttttttttttttttttttttt i forgot the family lifestyle for a sec…………so she may have known things??????????
Toughcookie, I agree with your post.
That’s possible, Tobie Girl!
tobie,i duuno,but imo jo wasn’t involved! jmo,lol
LillyValley,I love that hymn,one of my favs!
I wouldn’t take my child there!
wait…*cj* ~ could you explain that again ? not sure i understand your meaning ? 🙂
I think Jason is right about shielding the children. Lord knows they have seen too much already.
sure gimme 1 sec,lol
I’m curious about the gray Van LE was inquiring about too. I’ve seen pictures of TN and RC in the beginning where he was crying, there was a Van behind them with the trunk open. It looked kind of beige though. Was that TN’s Van?
I am not sure if it was T N’s. van or not. I am curious why they were inquiring about it. I wonder if they thought someone was out there either trying to remove evidence or plant evidence.
when Jason said she was jealous of misty?
I immediatly thought why would someone say that to another person unless they had been guilty of doing it with their brother…..you know how when married people cheat and they say the one accusing is always the guilty one? then i thought tho….
I remembered the croslins lifestyle as Lindsey put it
You guys can be your perfect incestuous family,
so i thought maybe Lindsey had been suspicious before?????
i see what you mean now tho,its nothing like the 1st time i trieddddddd to explain it,lol
gray,i thought it was gold?
Lindsy is comfortable with her 5-yr old son sitting right beside her as she curses, accuses Tom’s family of incest, etc.
No reason to believe she would censor his viewing of videos posted here and elsewhere on the web, because she doesn’t even censor her conversations with Tom when Austin is sitting right beside her.
Austin probably hears Lindsy talk about her adult problems on the ride to/from the jail, and at home.
beige,goldish?
not sure i think its ever a good idea to bring a child to visit someone in jail (especially a parent). there may be an argument that they should be “allowed” to see that parent, despite the fact that they are locked up…but i think in reality, its far worse for them to see daddy in jail, and to be perceiving it as “the norm”. better, unfortunately, to perhaps tell a small child daddy is away, daddy is working somewhere else, or something to that effect, then to expose them to daddy in jail and experience that as a “regular” thing.
before anybody hollars at me (lol…) for advocating deceiving one’s children…i’m not saying that’s ok either, but in the case of young, impressionable kids, who one hopes to give “a better life” to, i think telling a little white lie, until they’re old enough to handle the truth, and NOT taking them to visit is by far the better road.
jmo
Lindsy could, and should shield Austin from her adult problems, but instead she involves him.
He’s her ‘little man’ – emotionally incested.
once all the screaming and all has calmed down,he’s sitting in a prison more stable..if thats even possible….. sure!
but angers are raging right now,the kids are hearing way to much….imo
IF there was an overdose or an accidental death of Haleigh and Ron has knowledge I do not believe he would put her in the river. He would have put Haleigh somewhere special for him to visit. I just remember T N saying at Christams time that Ron was off talking to Haleigh. I do believe the river could be staged to allow Joe to take the fall for the crime.
When LE did the River search it was said they were questioning neighboring people about a grey Van. If I recall correctly. I was looking at the Van behind RC and TN when he was crying it appeared beige. That’s all I’m sayin.
omg,i found a new video of Haleighs school records altered?
maryd, You are correct it was a grey chevy van they were asking about. I wonder if they( LE) know who owns this van?
How are they altered CathyJO?
Austin is only 5, he is kindergarden age – exposed to conversations that we adults find disturbing.
Lindsy takes him to the jail for what purpose? In all the tapes we’ve viewed, Austin has only gotten on the phone to say a few words to Tom.
Lindsy takes him to the jail to listen to her converse with Tom. Her words are confusing and disturbing to us; how much more so to her 5 yr old son?
are these attendance records like the ones we were discussing earlier?
Maybe lindsy is the smartest one in the Croslin family. But she’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Tommeme keeps wanting her to bring Austin to see him in jail WHY? The child has very little communciation with his so called DAD when he’s there. He’s a 5 yr. old child for God’s sake that’s a long time to expect him to SIT still. Plus he can hear their dysfunctional conversations. This will not change if Tommeme goes to prison he’ll just use the children to get Lindsy to visit him. She just might be DUMB enough to do it.
Amen to that Jason.
Well, unless proven different, I’m still holding to my “theory”. After Haleigh got home from school (whoever picked her up at the bus stop), Ron and Misty were having a big blowout fight about Misty’s 3 day party binge, Ron’s all up in her face about her sleeping with WBG and leaving him to have to take care of his own children for the weekend (the nerve of her, doesn’t she know her place is to take care of his children by other women and cater to his every need?) and Haleigh gets in his way begging him to stop, Ron shoves/hits her out of the way and she is injured. Ron’s goes to work and leaves Misty with an injured (maybe concussion) child. His multiple calls were to check on the “situation” because you know there is no way he is going to let Haleigh be taked to an ER because he already has trouble with the Department of Children Services. Misty is complaining that she can’t get Haleigh to settle down and stop crying, Ron tells her to give Haleigh part of an Oxy. On top of Haleigh already being injured, the Oxy knocked her out and she died. Then Misty starts all the calls to Ron, “what do I do?”. Ron calls his mom, Teresa. Teresa comes over and tells Misty to get rid of the body, can’t have her darling baby Ron get in any trouble and comes up with the “we will report her as “stole” after Ron gets home. Misty calls Timmy (big brother that she lived with at times – Chelsea is a “mother” figure to her). Chelsea answers because Timmy is out from the drugs he took from his injuries from the accident he and Hank were in. Chelsea wakes Timmy but he can’t drive, Joe and Timmy go to help, decide to pick up Tommy on the way. Tommy very much does whatever Timmy wants him to do and basically walks in Timmy’s footprints. Timmy, Tommy and Joe take care of disposing of the body while Teresa and Misty clean the trailer and get rid of/hide/move all the drugs, and Teresa drills the “story” into Misty’s head. Ron makes sure he is caught on several cameras on the way home from “werk” establishing his “alibi”. Teresa heads down the road to wait for the “call” after Ron/Misty has placed the 911 call. Now I don’t think Timmy/Tommy/Chelsea would cover for either Ron or Misty but they would cover for Timmy in any involvement. Misty would cover for Ron at first but I think now she is covering for Timmy’s involvement.
Hey that’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.
it says altered from present to unpresent that day? misty is under hypnosis too!
http: //www. youtube. com/watch?v=Ulbx2cf3rbE&playnext_from=TL&videos=ME_nv-niYYA
brb
Looking4Justice,
There has to be some really incriminating or relevant information regarding this grey Van for LE to put such emphasis on it. Wish there was a site to check on for who owns specific cars in an area…but than again that’s kind of personal.
Jason,
There is bad blood at ah’s site. Check the “lashes out at bald truth” comment #74.
I don’t about legal reasons, but if jan and simon don’t want it becasue they want it that way, then I’m cool.
did the link post?? you’ll have to put it together otherwise it wont work?
*jason* ~ according to the tape that came directly before the lindsy/tommy argument one, i remember tommy asking her to “bring austin” next time. i think that’s the reason he is there, although i don’t think that was good judgement on her part, and especially not if she knew she was already angry w/ tommy and it was bound to come out in the visit.
jmo
Anybody know if this is link #2 from the first set of new audio? Thanks!
me too Jaba,I dont wanna cause them no probs,lol
brb
Lfj at 9:44
You mean ronbo was scared of timmy over the phone? Not very ronbo of him. 🙂
At 5, Austin should be shielded from his parents nonsense.
Where’s his maternal grandparents, aunts/uncles on his mother’s side? If they have more sense than the paternal side of Austin’s family, then why haven’t they lectured Lindsy to better parent her young children by shielding them from the burden of Tom and Lindsy’s problems?
Me too,maryd. I just hope it did not belong to Annette Sykes or Teresa Neves, because A.S. admitted on NG that she and TN went out and serched all afternoon after G.Hollar called A.S. with the info Misty wanted them to know. If it did belong to them LE will be asking alot of questions.
Lindsy’s conversations with Tom would be difficult for Austin at age 15 or 25, let alone age 5!
Yes Jaba, it was in the article that got removed. You can find it at A.H. site in the archives October 4th2009. Headline No party I was sleeping. It full of info.
I wonder what the tides were for the St. Johns river for Feb 9th & 10th , 2009? They could of buried Haleigh by the dock where the dogs first lead the police to that morning and by then the tide had come up to cover up any digging near the bank of the river. I tried to google the 2009 tide chart for the St John’s River , but found nothing.
Jaba there is even a link that shows you the complaint Ronald made against Timmy.
agree with you *jason*
Jason good point.
Tobias and HollysGmom had posted them a few months back, but I do not remember what they were. Whenever you see Tobias on you can ask her maybe she saved that info.
jaba said,in May 29th, 2010 at 10:54 pm Lfj at 9:44
You mean ronbo was scared of timmy over the phone? Not very ronbo of him.
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lol–First post I’ve really glanced at tonight. That’s funny. 🙂
Good theory LS, but now that Linsey commented about incestuous family, I’m kind of thinking she may have heard something about that in one of their confessions, maybe. Than I think about Misty saying her and Tommy were on the couch and he quickly shuts her up. I can’t help but find it odd to that Jr. mentions the couch going up and down. There seems to be a theme going on here in my mind at least and not a pretty one.
Thanks for lettin’ me know, Toughcookie! Really irks me that he isn’t protected from this.
Ladiesadie,
Nice work. Very good theory to think about.
i remember when LE was searching the river, and the comment was made that it was a “lazy river” and that things don’t move too quickly. however, given the amount of time that had gone by, they estimated that if there were any evidence it could have been moved approximately 15-20 feet…”feet” ? that sure was a “lazy” river…
the problem being, of course, that if it had been human remains, that surely by that time, the alligators would have gotten to it.
by the comments being made by tommy/joe/ron, and just the fact that they all had lived there for quite some time, and knew the river well, i believe if they had a body to hide, that would have been their first thought, to throw it in that river, knowing that the alligators would take care of any evidence.
unfortunately, i tend to think, if dear little haleigh was in fact, murdered, that she very well must have been put in that river, and that’s why there is no trail to find her.
jmo
Thanks, Judithann (:
you know what i noticed *jason* ? i noticed the fact that the child was NOT upset visibly, by any of that talk…which makes me think he is most likely desensitized to it, probably because it was like that at home all the time… you think ?
jmo
Judithann @ 10:51, you’re right – there are no diversions in the room for Austin. NO toys to play with, coloring books, or children’s books to read.
Toughcookie, yes – he’s probably hearing it at home, too.
Goodnight everyone. God Bless you all and sweet dreams.
that is just so sad…
i remember when i was married to a pretty “bad” guy…he cussed alot in front of my daughter, and along with my talks to him that he needed to stop immediately, i also told her that we didn’t talk like that, and that she was never to talk like it. it resulted in what turned out to be a kind of funny conversation with my then 4-yr old daughter. she responded with..”sooo, i cannot say sh*t, and i cannot say f**k, right mom?”
“right”… “sooo, i cannot say sh*t and i cannot say fu*k, right mom?”
“right, right…(so stop saying it, i’m thinking!!!) lol…
sorry she was exposed to that, however, i got us away from him that same year, and she has grown up to be a wonderful, bright, intelligent girl…who does not say sh*t, or fu*k!! 😉
Goodnite, LFJ; hope you sleep well . . .
They think it’s better visits for the children once in a prison setting. Well NO the visitors have to be processed each visit. In Ky. they do body checks of a child before they can visit a parent and I feel it’s the same process in most states. That’s humiliating for a child and I doubt they will ever forget the experience.
LOL, Toughcookie (so, stop saying it, I’m thinking!).
He wouldn’t change a negative behavior that was important to you that he change; you gave him the opportunity to, though.
Most important, you were aware of his negative impacton on your daughter, and you worked to shield her from it.
I feel Austin needs to be better potected.
you’re so right *judithan*…how humiliating. even worse, the reason they have to do those searches…because sometime, somewhere, someone must have tried to use their child to bring in some form of contraband…disgusting!
jmo
*thanks jason*…he was an abuser, so i got away with my life and my kids…thank god…and doing that gave them a chance to grow up the way they did. not one of them has ever exibited signs of his behavior. i feel proud that i broke the cycle. i posted here today about my hope that lindsy can now take her chance and run with it. i hope she can make some good decisions for herself and her kids, and give them a chance for a better life. its hard work, and they would do best with counseling…i hope she has a chance for that.
jmo
Lindsy is playing with fire. You cannot abuse an animal in that manner and not be shocked when it lashes out. The Humane Society in her area NEEDS to be called as soon as possible. That poor dog isn’t asking to be cramped up, denied necessities & caged 24/7. What a flame throwing B*TCH. She spewed that hatred & a few sentences back she claimed she was poor Lindsy who never gets in trouble and always does good. BS, that woman is capable of anything. She is spinning in and out of mood in the short period of time she was there.
I think she has good reason to be short tempered, irritable & moody. However, I also believe she played that all out knowing it would be airing online & possibly on NG, where people will sucker into sending her money, now that she’s plead her case of extreme poverty.
Lindsy may very well be right, her 3 children will end up in therapy for years, but that won’t be solely due to Tommy’s screw ups. She’s contributing as much, if not more. I think a DCFS visit is in order.
These people are absolutely insane. Tommy didn’t pay 2 seconds of attention to Austin, instead Austin got to listen to his Mom rampage on his Dad, who is locked up in the clink indefinitely.
When Tommy was referring to his niece, is it possible he was referring to Chelsea & Timmy’s daughter? It just didn’t seem to fit for it to be Haleigh, Tommy said it with a natural flow. I’ve never heard him refer to Haleigh as his niece in the past.
It was good to see Tommy down. I was sick and tired of seeing his smug, cocky, self centered and arrogant self laughing and acting like jail was a vacation. And hopefully someone has called the local humane society & the dog will be saved & removed from that evil place.
i don’t think its a good idea for anyone with children to own a pit in the first place. just my opinion, and i know not everyone agrees with me. once i lived in an apt. and my next door neighbors had a pit, in a STUDIO apt. with a NEWBORN baby…omg…that used to terrify me when i thought of how easily that little boy could’ve been hurt by that dog, in that close quarters.
eventually they had to get rid of it as it was showing signs of extreme agression.
i just don’t think pit bulls and kids are an acceptable risk…
jmo
Judithan, ITA – they’ll never forget. Toughcookie observed Austin appears desensitized, and children being searched, as you mentioned, is another area in which they would become desensitized.
Body searches, long-distance jail or prison relationships won’t bother them as adults, because they learned to live it in childhood.
Toughcookie@11:10 This is probably norm for this child.It’s all he’s ever known. When my grandaughter came to live with me because of her parents were involved with alcohol/drugs she thought their life style was normal. Slowly she has discovered there is no future in their lifestyle. Thank God
To subject a young child to a body cavity search at a prison is wrong, no matter HOW MUCH the jailed mother or father want to ‘see’ their child.
Send pictures, send video – but don’t violate a child’s body in search of contraband!
*jason* & *judithan* ~ i agree ! that’s the sad thing, is these poor babies grown up thinking that way of life is “normal”, and as adults, unless they have counseling, or some other form of education on the subject, they simply don’t know any better then to unconsciously seek the same for themselves…because that’s what feels “comfortable” and “right”…that’s how the generational thing happens so easily…
terribly sad. i hope those kids somehow have a chance for something better.
jmo
btw…*judithan* ~ congratulations on raising your granddaughter to be able to see the difference…wonderful! 🙂
judithan said,in May 29th, 2010 at 11:30 pm In Ky. they do body checks of a child before they can visit a parent and I feel it’s the same process in most states. That’s humiliating for a child and I doubt they will ever forget the experience.
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Oh. My. God. That’s why the (most) cops and (most) corrections officers are ‘Thugs.’
good night cathyjo catch ya tomorrow night,,,,,,,,,,
Jason@11:47 I know for a fact they never forget. Been there done that with my grandaughter because she wanted to see her parents. But maybe I got lucked into a miracle because she wants nothing to do with substance abusers. I hope so. I have personally seen what so called parents put their children through and it ain’t pretty. and they never seem to take responsibility for their actions it’s always someone elses fault. It’s not about the parents anymore, they’ve had their chance. It’s about saving their children.
Toughcookie @ 11:46, I’ve felt the same way. One young couple I know had an adult PB living in their home when their daughter was born. He guarded her bedroom; threatened to attack anyone (other than the parents)who entered the room.
Once, when she was an infant, I stopped the father from holding her up to MY large, guard-breed dog’s face.
My dog usually has a friendly, easy-going attitude, but I know his potential, and understand the potential of EVERY dog to use his or her teeth.
My dog could have gone ballistic on the baby in a heart-beat, but the father didn’t want to believe it was possible.
heyitsmekelly said,in May 29th, 2010 at 10:58 pm I wonder what the tides were for the St. Johns river for Feb 9th & 10th , 2009? They could of buried Haleigh by the dock where the dogs first lead the police to that morning and by then the tide had come up to cover up any digging near the bank of the river. I tried to google the 2009 tide chart for the St John’s River , but found nothing.
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oceans have tides..rivers flow.
snow melt and such dictates flow level.
I agree totally Jason! I am a grown woman and would not take that very nicely at all??
i had questioned this the other day, and wonder if anyone else thinks its strange…
if haleigh’s case has been deemed a “homocide” investigation by LE, (and we know it has), why i wonder, is she still listed on the amber alerts as an “active amber alert” ?
i can’t believe this would simply be an oversight, as LE usually is quick to act at removing the alerts when necessary…
if it is an oversight, its a pretty big one. sure makes me wonder though.
jmo
imo If you’re capable of mistreating an animal,you’re capable of mistreating any human too,especiall a child!
Judtithan @11:47, yes – protecting their children is most important. Austin needs protected; I hope someone steps in.
Thugcops, Maybe you’re not aware of how many parents use children to smuggle contraband into prisons. It HAPPENS!
wonder where Tobias has been today?
*jason* sounds like you are a knowledgeable animal owner…you recognize that although your dog can be gentle, or easygoing, he still ultimately is an animal of instinct…as much as some humans try to take that away, or dismiss it, sounds like you were thinking responsibly when it came to that father and his baby…knowing your dog (like any dog) could have an “aminalistic” response. good for you. too bad more people don’t recognize that.
People do bring in contrband to prisons. I’ve seen a poster here admit to bringing in pot. No wonder they have to search people. And in that case leave the child at home. Searching a kid can’t be good for them.
And no pit bulls or any other large around infants and toddlers. Too much risk. I know people that have great dogs who have never even barked at their small children, but it only takes a kid poking a dog in the eye accidentaly or grabbing too hard at the dog and the dog , being an animal, bites.
You have to make sure you arwe present at all times when the dog is loose with the child.
Not all dogs, some are trained very well on how to be around kids, but most are not and you have to be careful. Good dog owners usually are.
oops ! *animalistic* lol
hm tough,unless they know different and keeping it under wraps,i dunno!
or i shoulda said maybe they aren’t sure!
Did anyone go to look at the attendance
record to see if altered.
i saw the vid Cricket,i don’t know if is altered but i wouldn’t even know how to find that,lol
awww.good night TexGirl! sorry was surfing too!
right *cj* that’s what made me think for a minute…is it possible ?
perhaps they left it on with the hope that she could still be found ?
i lived in the same town that jaycee lee dugard was kidnapped from, for over a decade, in fact, philip and nancy garrido are just up the road from me in jail…(not something to brag about at all…lol) but, what i’m saying is in that town, we were all (happily) shocked and amazed that she was found after all those years ! of course she has much to overcome, but she was also happy to be alive, if even just for the sake of her daughters…
if it happened once, it could happen again…
(that’s my little bit of *hope* speaking…)
🙂
Toughcookie, yes – much of their behavior is pure instinct – uncontrollable. OT a little, but a Vet assistant recently sued a family because their tiny Chihuahua bit her face while she was prepping him for dental work.
The family is fighting a local one-bite law which mandates the Chihuahua be destroyed.
toughcookie said,in May 30th, 2010 at 12:07 am i had questioned this the other day, and wonder if anyone else thinks its strange…
if haleigh’s case has been deemed a “homocide” investigation by LE, (and we know it has), why i wonder, is she still listed on the amber alerts as an “active amber alert” ?
i can’t believe this would simply be an oversight, as LE usually is quick to act at removing the alerts when necessary…
if it is an oversight, its a pretty big one. sure makes me wonder though.
jmo
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I’ve seen your curious about this but the answer is simple..LE wants to cover all bases, they finally said its a homicide but it was a reluctant statement at best..LE doesn’t know! homocide, kidnap, slave trade, rescued to have a better life..all theories are in play.
wow *jason*…i didn’t even think about the fact that they would hold the “one-bite” law to task even in the case of a dog being handled by a vet. it is a shame that that happened, but i can see how a dog would be inclined to bite when having work done on their mouths, especially…seems like the vet should have used some forethought and given the dog a mild sedative or something.
imo
Jaba, ITA, leave the child at home. My suggestion – correspond through letters, audio/video, but don’t subject children to body cavity searches in order to visit mommy or daddy in jail.
That is horrible to think people put their children through that!
judithan said,in May 30th, 2010 at 12:11 am Thugcops, Maybe you’re not aware of how many parents use children to smuggle contraband into prisons. It HAPPENS!
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That’s an ugly, terrible possibility. I think it would be less harmful to the child to submit him/her to x-rays at every visit(no matter how often) than to invade his/her orifices with searching adult hands.
right *oj*…i agree, that must be the reason.
wow Tough, i would say its a possible thats the reason!
they don’t cavity search visitors, let alone kids..talk about misinfo..your patted down by same sex trained guards,and pass thru a metal detector, thats it.
Toughcookie, there’s public outrage at the Vet and the assistant, and support for the family in their fight to keep the dog from being destroyed.
People aren’t happy that the Vet has come out in support of his employee, whom many (me included) feel it was her responsibility to take precautions when prepping the small dog.
I think it can be expected Vet techinicians might be bit from time to time. I side with the dog and his family, not the Vet and his employee.
CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 12:32 am wow Tough, i would say its a possible thats the reason!
sorry,didnt refer to the post i was replying about,lol it was the amber alert,sorry!
WhyLie, I don’t see how MG could have gotten probation, she is a school bus driver and you have to go through a FBI background check to work in any capacity for a school. If she had any felony conviction, even pleading nolo contendere, or a DUI she would have never gotten a job as a bus driver.
She was tho Lady!!!!!!
Thugs,
I agree. Leave the children out of it. But we have folks sneaking in drugs and other stuff for their incarcerated friends or family and it has to be stopped. Hell, guards and other prison staff sneak things in as well.
If you can’t keep from breaking a law during a visit with an inmate, it tells me a lot about you and none of its good. They have lost there freedom for a good reason and joints should be kept out of the joint. 🙂
Speaking from experience. How lovely. 🙂
she was charged for selling marijuana in a bar when she was the bartender too!
She’d been charged for dealing drugs !!
*jason* ~ yes…like i say, its a shame that that had to happen, however, if the vet & co. had taken the proper precautions (and knowing how animals are when they are in pain, when a stranger is touching them, or especially when someone is prying into that injured/painful area, they certainly should have) the situation never would have happened. i hope the family is vindicated and don’t have to lose their family pet over someone else’s ignorance.
*cj* ~ right, i knew which post you were referring to! 🙂
lmao *jaba* “joints kept out of the joint” !!!
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K,didn’t want anybbody to think later that I was agreeing to sommin and not agree tomorrow,lmbo
uh oh my stalkers back..
I’m off to watch ‘the human centipede’..
I’ll report back with a review.
You’re right OJ they don’t cavity search children. But they can cavity search adults if they feel it’s necessary. It has been done and have found contraband. People are STUPID thinking children won’t be checked if they try to stick contraband on them. I seen this first hand.
lol *cathyjo* ~ i’ve never bashed anybody on here for anything…much less having a change of mind or heart… 😉
hahaha…”the human centipede”…now that’s one report i’ll be looking forward to…
lol no i mean like if somebody thought i was referring to a pitbull comment,and i said i hatem’ then tomorrow i’d be like well it aint the dogs fault,be good to him…..then i’d get bashed,rofl
which i dont hate any animal,except a snake,lol but just an example,lol
Somebody needs a diaper change. 🙂
Wait, that may be me….sniff, sniff…nope, not me. 🙂
diaper huh,lol?
(((cathyjo))) 🙂
toughcookie said,in May 30th, 2010 at 12:49 am lmao *jaba* “joints kept out of the joint” !!!
lol tough!!!!!
(((((((((Tough)))))))) lol ty…….I Hate you!!!!!!
one thing that really struck me watching lindsy in that video today, was her body language. it was so obvious, even without her words, that she is so over and done with tommy and all this nonsense. she kept her head down so often, that tommy repeatedly told her to raise it so he could see her, and even then, she continued to angle downward, as if she didn’t want to look at him, as well as her being so distracted by the other people visiting next to her, or walking by in the background…her body language said it all.
imo
Cricket said,
in May 30th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Did anyone go to look at the attendance
record to see if altered.
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If it was altered it had to be done by Kim Picazio or whomever got the attendance record from the school since she’s the one that gave to to AH to begin with.
actually, that was *jaba’s* funny line ! i can’t take the credit there!
and yes *cj* ~ hate you too…LOL (its only cuz i was on here earlier that i know what you mean by that…LOL)
maryd. said,in May 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm I don’t know Linsey but I imagine she fell in love with Tommy for some reason. Who know’s maybe her family didn’t use the words “I love you”, often and it was music to her ears in that family. What she may not have realized is that they are just that words. I think she somehow stood by him through all his antics, and put some bated trust in him. She may be an enabler and doesn’t realize it. She now realizes his actions have destroyed their lives, their future and possibly the life of an innocent child. Who wouldn’t be fed up. Maybe the dog is a bad family choice. I sure wouldn’t pick a pit bull with small kids in the house. One of my fifty million theories was that maybe his dog got a hold of Haleigh that night and attacked her. We don’t know all of the variables here. So, I am trying to be unbiased. This is just MO…and who knows if it will even remain here. lol
*CathyJo63 said,in May 29th, 2010 at 9:30 pm yea in tommys side mary,they all say it!
but i’d rather have it proven than said,anybody can say it! as a matter of fact,i’ll prolly never say it to anybody again! They’ve made me hate it!
I might just say,I hate you to ppl and maybe they’ll think i lovem anway,lol
CathyJo63 said,in May 29th, 2010 at 9:31 pm atleast put an effort into it,rofl
********tough,sorry was saying that b/c of this conversation,I don’t really hateya! lol
OJ’s buttwipe – The St. John’s River in a tidal river. It has a low and high tide. I bet you didn’t know it flows North into the Atlantic Ocean. Google it buttwipe!
exactly my impression too Tough!!!!!!!!
Jason said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Lindsy complains about Tom’s ‘free electric, cable and food’, well – what about the freebies she collects? Tom paid for her gym membership, G-Pa gave her cars, her previous home and current one, the federal government bought food for her and the children . . .
Lindsy said: “Poor Lindsy, I’m a good girl – I don’t do anything, and I still get *”.
Tommy paid for her gym? LOL..
I don’t think Lindsy is an innocent, or unaware in any of this by a long shot. But, please, to say Tommy paid for anything is simply ridiculous.
yes, *cathyjo*, i know about the “ihateyou” thing cuz i was here when you said it…no worries, i never thought you meant you hated me…you were making a funny ! 😉
i thought her body language just screamed ” i am so DONE with you!” and still tommy kept saying he didn’t understand…i think he had to have understood, just by the look on his face, but just couldn’t or wouldn’t want to believe it.
imo
Crocus,lol yea he did,he put it on her account,on account he had no money! lo
omg…*kelly*…that’s some nic you put up there ! lol
oh he understood it very well,he just thought he’d make her believe him cause it obviously always worked for him before but he wasn’t in jail before,lol
I wanted to make sure you knew what i meant by the comment,lol I knew you were here but wasn’t certain you’d read it! lol
kelly??
I swear though,Tommy has to have muddy water in his brain!
i meant *heyitsmekelly*…just trying to type fast. ha.
either that or when god made his brains he thought God asked him if he wanted bangs and he told him to cut hissen short,lol
right *cathyjo*, its almost as though tommy couldn’t believe that he couldn’t “talk her out of it”. that’s the impression i got anyway.
jmo
his excuse to everything,is thats BS,I luv u and just wayyyyyyyyyyy out there!
I was disgusted at this latest tape. WHY in the world would Lindsy take Austin out of school early (per her statement) and bring him along to witness their meltdown. Good Lord!! WTf was she thinking?
well, there has to be something there to anchor those ears….lol
right,exactly,I swear i thought the same!!!!! lol
Oh Dear Lord Tough,when she said it had been 62 days for her..ya know.
I thought to myself hell i’d pay him not to touch me for 62 days! lol
pure bone tough,lol
*completely off topic here* showtime extreme (calif. time) is showing a dennis hopper film. so sad to hear of his death today. he was one hell of an actor, and my goodness, he stayed a handsome devil right up until the end !
to follow in his daddys footsteps??????
LoL
Stupid!!!!!!!
omg *cathyjo* you are hilarious!!
gary coleman died too……..dennis hopper!!!
Shoot honey,Sam Elliot was always my man,lol
Ruro,what’d i do? the footsteps?? i swear it has to be!!!!!! shewwwww
i agree *crocus*…poor, poor judgement, that.
That pic Jan posted once of that little boy….omg he looked so sad,lonesome really?
i know *cj*…seems i heard of a few celebrities that passed away this week. (although this guy isn’t REALLY a celebrity…i also heard that brittney murphy’s husband was found dead in the same house that she was found, same bedroom, by her mother, same person who found her, and from the same cause of death…cardiac arrest! however, they did say he had a history of heart problems…eerie, don’t you think ?)
how in the hello a person could look at Tommy and think of sex at the same time is one hell of a strong woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
omggggggggggggggggg are you serious????? lord how mercy god!
I’ll tell ya eerie too,i’d love to tell ya the whole story but it’d take me a zillion yrs to type it right but Thanksgiving 2 yrs ago a woman had a heart attack right in front of my house and hit a concrete porch……….and it killed her,her granddaughter was in the car with her,around 20ish!
last TG right here to the left of me at the caution lt.that girl got killed in a wreck????
yes…that’s just so eerie to me. another weird thing, is that brittney murphy’s brother was quoted as saying that “now 3 people have died in that house…”. brittany, her husband, and…???? who else i wonder ??? someone that was a previous owner? supposedly before they bought it, britney spears owned it. that might be bad karma right there.
weird how stuff happens!
i saw brittany murphys husbannd on tv not long ago talking about her!
yea lol bad Karma!!!!!!
oh that’s terrible about the accident…
i know most people will laugh, but this is really true…i lived in a “haunted” house for 8 yrs! we didn’t know it when we moved in, but 2 tenants before us, there was a murder/suicide right in the bathroom! its a loooong story, but the things that happened there were definitely creepy!
i didn’t know bs owned it first!!!!!!!!!
they said brittany murphys house had dead rats in the pool,the house was so nastyyyyyyy!
hard to believe ain’t it?
geeeez,I believe it!!!!!!!!!!
honest!!!!!!!!!!!!
reason i said lol tho i thought you meant BS was the bad karma?? because she was so screwed up for awhile,lol sorry but yea i know whatcha mean…..3 ppl? shewwww
rats in the pool? ewwww…that IS nasty!
I don’t care who laughs,i have had experiences!
yes tough,ohhh it was a mess!!!!!!!!!!!
you’d think she could afford a maid!
yeah cathyjo, this is what i meant, exactly! because bs was so messed up, i wondered if that left bad vibes around that place…
i sure know there were bad things left in that house i lived in! haha
I’m waiting for more info on when Timmy snuck out of the house and Chelsea noticed him and the van gone at 1:30 a.m. This is the same time Timmy claimed that Joe was gone & the van. Timmy was supposed to cook supper that night but came home drunk from the bar instead. Tommy supposedly cooked and cleaned for Lindsey that night but stayed off drugs that day. Sounds fishy to me.
rightttttt Tough,exacly!!!
well that’s interesting about your experiences…we should talk sometime, i have alot of experiences with that kind of thing myself! lol…yikes!
Crocus@1:07 I seriously think He’s been humiliating his family for years. By the family I mean Lindsy and children. He lost his job I think because of his DRUGS, He and Hank have tried to blame it on Haleigh’s disappearance but I doubt this claim. They all seem to find a way to suck the government dry. This is just case how many more of these people do we pay for?We’re paying for Hank. Tommy’s family and Timmy’s family. Hell is this just expected for the taxpayers? Is Padilla suppose to furnish Money, for their frivolous needs? Cars,Computers etc. Lindsy didn’t have any money for the children but she had BEER. Chelsea trying to sell a letter to the highest bidder to get a car? They’re all lowlives. God help the children.
I felt like this blog was haunted when my post went poof!!
lol well,i believe in it and i know what i’ve seen so its gotta be true,lol
thanks *viola* for putting us back on topic where we should be…lol 🙂
i didn’t realize that that was the SAME night that timmy came back drunk from the bar…must have missed that info. that’s really interesting, considering chelsea said he was passed out (not exact wording) from the pain meds from the accident…hmmm…
*maryd* ~ lol…good one!
*cathyjo* ~ i believe it too…i’ve experienced too much to NOT believe it.
roflmao@mary,now thats funny, me too tho,Ah ran mine off!!!!!!!!!
does it say it was removed! Jan usually puts a msg with it,well i mean where she deletes it?
*judithan* ~ has anyone ever said why it is timmy (and/or chelsea) isn’t working over there in mass. ?
viola said,in May 30th, 2010 at 1:42 am I’m waiting for more info on when Timmy snuck out of the house and Chelsea noticed him and the van gone at 1:30 a.m. This is the same time Timmy claimed that Joe was gone & the van. Timmy was supposed to cook supper that night but came home drunk from the bar instead. Tommy supposedly cooked and cleaned for Lindsey that night but stayed off drugs that day. Sounds
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even fishier if Tommy did something,lol
i do know they said he was outta drugs and said he needed some to go to work the next day,but if he cleaned and stuff,maybe thats why the cops took the scouring pads and dawn!
CathyJo63 said, in May 30th, 2010 at 1:50 am
does it say it was removed! Jan usually puts a msg with it,well i mean where she deletes it?
CathyJ
I put the page down like always till i got back home. I saw my post and before I hit refresh I checked the time I posted it. Than I hit refresh and it wasn’t there at the time it said. The other posts around it were there. No msg from Jan. Doo doo doo doo…the outer limits
Tough:
Didn’t know they weren’t working either (timmy & chelsea) really?
i wondered about that anyway!
It was in his burglarizing evidence they took but i though,gee…..can’t imagine robbing a blind mans home and leaving with the stuff and then stop and say,o wowwwwwwwww dawn?
my goodness, i certainly know about being dirt poor, and i also know about “immediate needs”, but if LP was being so generous with the cash flow, i believe i would have used it to apply for a name change through the court system, if i were a croslin. i don’t mean this as any disrespect to the family, or the name. i just think that if the name being so well known, and so negatively associated that it was holding me down from getting employment, i would sure change it.
*maryd* ~ idk if they are working or not…i was just asking that of *judithan* regarding her post, where she stated that they (along with other family members) were receiving state aid.
God,you and me!!!!!!!
Ya hardly hear a word about Lindseys family!
i know timmy talked to tommy from work once,remember the tapes…he kept calling timmy to dial lindseys#!!!!
and chelsea need 25hundred for that letter……..roll eyes……………to buy a truck,lol
I imagine it would be hard for Linsey to work (don’t hit me), but, I would be afraid to leave my kids with anyone after Haleighs disappearance. Especially with all the publicity in this case. Supporting three kids and a pit bull is pretty expensive and paying babysitters a fortune. Who can she trust at this point? Just sayin
hard to believe they all got hurt so bad in that wreck,shux they prolly beat the hell outta one another and didn’t remember!
maryd. said,in May 30th, 2010 at 2:01 am I imagine it would be hard for Linsey to work (don’t hit me), but, I would be afraid to leave my kids with anyone after Haleighs disappearance. Especially with all the publicity in this case. Supporting three kids and a pit bull is pretty expensive and paying babysitters a fortune. Who can she trust at this point? Just sayin
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we wouldn’t beat ya,lol but she wants hank and lisa to keep them at that shelter??
they agree i reckon’
but doggone if i’d leave him there……why not let Hank and Lisa keep em at her place thru the day!
doggone if i’d leave him there……
them there,lol
*cj* yes, i remember that tape where tommy kept calling timmy at work.
*maryd* “supporting 3 kids and a pitbull…” lmao…
she’s setting herself and the kids up for attack online? jeez
I wouldn’t leave my kids with Hand & Lisa or anyone whose name begins with C. As a nurse she would most likely be working nights too.
roflmao!!!!!!!!!!!! tough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tommys in a cage and his dog is too!!!!!!!!
lol mary!
Whooa it’s getting late. That would be Hank & Lisa and whose last name begins with C.
toughcookie@1:50 I think I read Chelsea has family there. I have a daughter that lives in Boston and complains about the welfare benefits in the state. Evidently it’s easier not to work than work in Mass. It’s the state law you must have medical insurance. So I guess if you don’t work you have Medicaid.
Jan57 said,
It could have been going on for genirations in the family.But i think Misty was most likly left with these older boys at the time,as baby sitters,an that took advantage of her.Lisa knew about Joe,messing with Misty,she said so on video.
Of In Mistys,an the family,of course were talking about two teen boys,an a even younger teen girl at the time,over powering the weakest girl family member,an having their way with her.
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Could this explain why Misty is able to easily keep secrets & lies for so long? If true, she learned at a very young age to never tell the family secrets. Taught to lie about any abuse.
IMO
from what i know of shelters, they would not be able to keep the kids there for “daycare” or anything like that. usually, they are very strict in that only the people who are approved to live there, can actually be there. for instance, its not like your own home, where you can have regular visitors or anything. so i think babysitting would be out of the question, unless this shelter makes an exception or something.
Mememel
Your name sounds a lot like Tomeme’s. But, anyway I’m sure Misty is one big Pandoras box.
hate to leave good company but my eyes just crossed over,lol
right Tough!!!!!!!!!!
Good nite,i hate you all!
thanks *judithan*, yes, i remember that chelsea’s family was there in mass.
i didn’t know they had a law requiring health insurance…that’s something i’ve never heard of…that would be really hard here in california, as especially with the economy, there are alot of employers who have cut their health insurance to employees, and state medi-cal is only available to those who are below a certain income here.
TY CJ I wouldn’t want to feel left out.
Good nite 🙂
goodnight *cj* !
I can’t believe I’m up passed CJ. What will I read? lol
*mememel* ~ i think that would definitely be a reason for misty’s closed mouth about things.
i know from experience that abuse demands silence to be able to exist. usually, people in that mode do it almost unconsciously just because it has always been that way, as well as the fact that its a means of survival.
imo
lol *maryd*
Well I’m starting to forget how to spell, so maybe it’s bedtime. Goodnite all. Let’s pray for Haleigh and Jr. and all the children.
yes, my fingers are molded to the keyboard, and my neck is stiff…lol haven’t ever been on for quite so long…it was fun though!
goodnight everyone! have a pleasant evening.
CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 1:21 am Oh Dear Lord Tough,when she said it had been 62 days for her..ya know.
I thought to myself hell i’d pay him not to touch me for 62 days! lol
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omg I just did not just read that 😆
toughcookie said,i know from experience that abuse demands silence to be able to exist. usually, people in that mode do it almost unconsciously just because it has always been that way, as well as the fact that its a means of survival.
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i agree… to me that says a lot about Misty and her actions. (if true)
good night
maryd. said Your name sounds a lot like Tomeme’s.
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LOL not sure who that is. Meme is what my G-childern call me and Mel is my nickname.
I’m just new here and really don’t comment very much. Ya’ll seem to not have all the drama the other sites do. Why I read this site. I listen to BTR at work. Love Simons shows an reviews…that is how I found this site.
From the start I have always thought Ronald knows what happened to his daughter. That first interview still hunts me. I just don’t know how or in what way. We do know the people who failed to protect Haliegh are in jail. Pray soon the truth will come out.
This is one strange family. She tells him this is it.. she is done. This broke the back. Then look at how tan I am.. did you get your commissary then I can’t put money on the phone I have to take care of me.
WOW this is so odd.
I worked in a prison for a while and here is my take.
Lindsay was under his thumb. She is now free of his abuse and is growing stronger by the day. He is still doing all he can to control her.
I would notice at visit days at the prison how much the inmates loved their family only to end the visit with send me some money.
This is pure and simple manipulation! I think it is part of the criminal mind.
I think she is on the edge and I wouldn’t get my hopes up on her actually leaving him. She is clearly under his control. This new man/men in her life may be giving her a little courage but I doubt those are long lasting relationships.
Once these type of people get a victim they do brain wash the hell out of them. She bounces from your life is in your hands to I love you too. The family is a mess.
If this makes no sense please forgive me. Still have not had my coffee yet.
Hope everyone has a great Sunday
UGH back again! Forgive me for these posts..
First, thanks to Jan and Simon and TJ and who ever got the discs from St. Johns County Jail.
Here is what I also think..
She says “hope you can afford an atty” he then says that he already has one.. now my thinking is later when he asks where did she get her info from and she doesn’t answer.. that means (to me) that she gets it from his lawyer and that lawyer may quit the case.
She is seemingly abusive to the dog but I think that is lashing out at him. I doubt she is being as mean as she said she was to the dog but she could easily be that self centered.
She is speaking from her heart about the bills. She is now in fear mode. She is jealous of the relationship he and Misty have. She is irate over the LDT and has every right to be. She is quite disconnected at this point. She doesn’t really pay any attention to most of what he is saying and she doesn’t seem to want to look at him.
I did laugh at the free elec part. She has a valid point. I noticed while working at the prison that these people seem so young and it is because all they do is work out and walk the track and sleep. No bills nothing. Sure there are inmate jobs but they are not real jobs.
I really need coffee. I will stop typing now.
LadySadie: Your theory has been exactly what I’ve been thinking happened for months. From the very beginning, Ron & Teresa creeped me out. Too much control over everything. Misty was the best target for their scheme. Misty is a mess and they knew that. I’m not sure @ this point if anyone will ever find out the truth to what really happened to little HaLeigh but, I do know that these people will rot in he** for their involvement.
Great post.
Good theory LadySadie-
IMHO Ron left those children with an VERY angry not to mention “strung out” Misty. It’s been said many times that Haleigh was Ron’s little girl, so I truly believe with Misty’s mentality she was jealous of Haleigh(thats why Jr wasn’t “stole”). Ron forced her to babysit & she took it out on Ron’s “little girl”!
IMHO Misty is far from innocent, she won’t talk because she’s covering for herself & her brothers. The reason she keeps stressing visits with Tommy is in hopes they can get their story straight (she’s too dumb to figure out IF they allowed those visits, they would be watched very closely).
I doubt little Austin is searched cause they are not at the jail. They are miles away, just a place they use phones at (thank God)
LadySadie said,in May 29th, 2010 at 10:52 pm Well, unless proven different, I’m still holding to my “theory”. After Haleigh got home from school (whoever picked her up at the bus stop), Ron and Misty were having a big blowout fight about Misty’s 3 day party binge, Ron’s all up in her face about her sleeping with WBG and leaving him to have to take care of his own children for the weekend (the nerve of her, doesn’t she know her place is to take care of his children by other women and cater to his every need?) and Haleigh gets in his way begging him to stop, Ron shoves/hits her out of the way and she is injured. Ron’s goes to work and leaves Misty with an injured (maybe concussion) child. His multiple calls were to check on the “situation” because you know there is no way he is going to let Haleigh be taked to an ER because he already has trouble with the Department of Children Services. Misty is complaining that she can’t get Haleigh to settle down and stop crying, Ron tells her to give Haleigh part of an Oxy. On top of Haleigh already being injured, the Oxy knocked her out and she died. Then Misty starts all the calls to Ron, “what do I do?”. Ron calls his mom, Teresa. Teresa comes over and tells Misty to get rid of the body, can’t have her darling baby Ron get in any trouble and comes up with the “we will report her as “stole” after Ron gets home. Misty calls Timmy (big brother that she lived with at times – Chelsea is a “mother” figure to her). Chelsea answers because Timmy is out from the drugs he took from his injuries from the accident he and Hank were in. Chelsea wakes Timmy but he can’t drive, Joe and Timmy go to help, decide to pick up Tommy on the way. Tommy very much does whatever Timmy wants him to do and basically walks in Timmy’s footprints. Timmy, Tommy and Joe take care of disposing of the body while Teresa and Misty clean the trailer and get rid of/hide/move all the drugs, and Teresa drills the “story” into Misty’s head. Ron makes sure he is caught on several cameras on the way home from “werk” establishing his “alibi”. Teresa heads down the road to wait for the “call” after Ron/Misty has placed the 911 call. Now I don’t think Timmy/Tommy/Chelsea would cover for either Ron or Misty but they would cover for Timmy in any involvement. Misty would cover for Ron at first but I think now she is covering for Timmy’s involvement.
Hey that’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.
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That’s almost exactly what I think what happened to Haleigh except all the people involved in the cover up. The ex-bride has said from the lastest story that it would hurt two other people. I think there is some truth in that statement , but that she’s lying and there are five people involved in the cover up , which is all the people you mentioned in your theory. As I have stated , they had up to 7 to 8 hours to cover up any crime against Haleigh before the 911 call was made. I’m starting to think they drove that van deep into the woods near the river and near an abandoned dock. It gets shallow in parts of the river during low tide to where it’s only an inch of water and maybe goes out a hundred yards or so. It wouldn’t take long for three guys to dig a deep enough hole , in the soft sand , to bury Haleigh.
This is me adding on to LadySadie’s and my theory and I’m sticking to it! I’m glad there is someone who thinks like I do about what happened to Haleigh.
TrotlineDesigns, IMHO when Lindsay said “hope you can afford an atty” she meant for the charges he’s about to face in reference to Haleigh.
Another kindred spirit…Ron’s classic abuser character is dependent on underaged girls like that of Misty. It helped him fly under the radar from DCF. Although, the custody agreement when granted to him for HaLeigh & Jr., stipulated that Ron’s sister would be the primary babysitter while he was @ work. Go figure…….Where has Ron’s sister been? She’s dropped off the face of the earth.
There are very few facilities that have contact visits for pre-trial detainees @ County jails these days. Hence, no body/cavity searches. Usually just metal detectors or pat down searches until the convicted are housed in prisons where they serve their time. Still, no place for children. Sorry, IMO. Back in the day, children were not allowed. Some things should never change. IMO
WOW! There’s even more people who think like I do on this! I bet there are investigators who think this way also , but they don’t have the evidence to prove any of it?!
I don’t believe Ron knew any details about Misty’s time away from him. I doubt she came home bragging about sexing it up with Greg. I don’t think he found out until after Haleigh went missing. Maybe that is why Misty was staying at her parents and not in the tent.
I don’t think a 16 year old is going to come home and tell the boyfriend about their exploits. I just don’t see it.
I’m sure with all the gov’t aid that Lindsey has been receiving, she’s eligible for free legal counsel. Here where I am, a mother receives more aid if unmarried. Classic.
Lindsey’s family has kept a very low profile. Her mother lives near her and she visits with the kids. Her dad had moved out of Florida but, was talking about moving back because he was out of work. It was discussed on 1 of her & Tommys’ jail house tapes, recently released. I do remember that her Grandfather has banned the Croslin family from staying with her on his property. Lindsey’s family seems to not be very supportive of her choice of husband and can you blame them. Just from what we’ve learned over the last year and a half, it must have been hell for her family to deal with. Hopefully, they will step up and offer her encouragement to go thru with the divorce. They may be her saving grace for her and her children. We can only hope……..
I’m sure that Ron knew where, who, and what Misty was doing the whole time. He was hanging with her brothers during this time. Ron had them over with Cousin Joe showing off his guns and drinking beer. Very small town, gossip, gossip. Ron had beat the crap out of her before she took off on her binge, he had to know she would strike out to get back at him.
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I still think that LE refers to Misty as the “key” to the information that can help find out what happened to HaLeigh. LE has never referred to her as a person of interest, just the “key”. I’m sure that LE will turn what they do have over to the Grand Jury soon and let them sort through the mess of lies and determine what and who should be charged. Misty needs to give it up. IMO
Sorry, too much posting. Trying to catch up from yesterday and last night….
Ron was working for his aunt that weekend and going to work at his reg job at night. Doubt there was much beer drinking time.
Misty didn’t look like she had the crap beat out of her when I saw her on videos and interviews and that was only a few days later.
I think there is far more to the story of why Misty left that weekend and it will all come out when all the docs are released.
There’s always time for beer drinking and getting high when you’re an addict.
The reason Misty was gone for those few days was because Ron had beat her a** because she told him that she was pregnant and showed him someone’s sonogram pictures to mess with him. I believe it was Chelsea’s baby’s sonogram.
These were all events that have been discussed by the players involved relating to the time line leading up to HaLeigh’s disappearance.
That is the reason Nay Nay gave to AH for Misty leaving. She said that Misty told her she showed Ron a positive pg test (never heard the sonogram story).
There is also a rumor out there that Misty intercepted messages between Ron and Crystal, got upset, and left.
We will find out in the end which story turns out to be true.
toughcookie said,in May 30th, 2010 at 1:47 am thanks *viola* for putting us back on topic where we should be…lol
i didn’t realize that that was the SAME night that timmy came back drunk from the bar…must have missed that info. that’s really interesting, considering chelsea said he was passed out (not exact wording) from the pain meds from the accident…hmmm…
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I think someone is confused
the bar incident happened after the move to Mass. Lindsy told Tommy about it in the last tape
There have been several interesting things to come out in the tapes lately that back up my theory of what happened. 1). When MC tells HC that she had given her key to the trailer back to Ron early that week, 2). TC completely shutting down HC when he tried to relay the rumor of TC and “her” sitting together on the couch that night, 3). LC confirming my feelings that Timmy has a propensity to sneak out late at night too.
VERY interesting stuff on these tapes.
Well , I finally went back to Art Harris’s site just to see what he’s been reporting. I see that the number of comments have dwindled down since I posted there last. The last time I posted there I said it was irresponsible for him to report the bones found at the dock might be Haleigh’s before anyone could determine if they were even human bones. I was kinda of surprised he actually posted my comment because I was really mean to him. He’s now questioning that the ex-bride was confused about what dock they dumped Haleigh’s body at. All I know is there are plenty of abandoned docks in that area that get very shallow during low tide. Still accessible and away from prying eyes. And I bet not many go up in there to fish or get crabs from. Just my honest opinion.
AH may have jeopardized his reputation by jumping on NG’s “bombshell” wagon. I know it’s hard to speak above her @ times but, he should have done a better job with relaying the facts during that broadcast. IMO
Wasn’t it Tommy that gave the Shell Harbor site to the PI and his lawyer and then to LE? So what difference would it make if Misty might have the wrong dock. AH needs to think deeper and stop just letting crap roll off the top of his head.
Tommy is very familiar with that dock, it is around the corner from where hank and lisa lived, and I seriously doubt that anybody disposing of a baby’s body would forget what dock they used.
Art harris even responded to my comment saying that his readers deserved his “exclusive” and that he’s just reporting what his “reliable sources close to the investigation” where telling him. Then I went off about his so called “reliable sources” and the BS they are giving him. And when he had to appear back on Nancy Dis-Grace , he looked so deflated that he now had to report that it was animal bones they found in the river. Kinda thought that he was thinking of me and the lashing I gave him on his site. Just my honest opinion.
I am starting to think that Misty was abused mentally and sexually growing up and she may now feel safer in jail than she has ever felt before.
Being drug free I feel her thoughts are beginning to surface. She talks about being used by Ronald and his family for babysitting services. I think she is right about that. I think these feelings may have surfaced on Feb 9, 2009. She did not want to babysit and she was still upset about Ron wanting to rid her of a pregnancy. I think when GrmaSykes stopped by at 7:30pm she may have given off her angry vibes about Misty leaving Ron to watch his own kids on that previous weekend.
Fresh in her mind may have been RC telling her to bring condoms when she came back. The mental theme is that she is always being used, for sex and childcare. If she wanted Ron to think she was pregnant with another mans child she may have been thinking I take care of yours would you take care of mine. To which his response paved the way for her anger.
I think she fought with Ron on the 8:30pm phone call about wanting to leave and Haleigh by that point was feeling the tension and acting up. I think Misty went into a psychotic break either from drug withdrawal, stress and exhaustion. With all of this in mind I think Misty may have lashed out at Haleigh causing her a fatal injury. In this psychotic state she may have washed the blanket without soap, and taken off Haleighs shirt. She may have called TC to ask for help, or he may have just come by at 10:00pm to check for RC on why she wasn’t answering the phone and saw what happened. At that point TC may have gone into protective mode and cleaned up and staged an abduction.
I am basing this more on a psychological analysis than on evidentiary value of which we have very little. Not to discount anyone elses theories but just something that has come to my mind in the last few hours. All JMO.
Does anyone think that maybe Misty had Rons phone that night? she said she called and called and he didnt answer and then there he was at the door- does anyone think maybe ron knew someone took his daughter? he didnt want cops to think it was him so he planned his alibi. lindsy said you made us look stupid- maybe she knows too now that someone else took her and before she wasnt sure. that tommys makin up stuff to get out of jail. before she thought he had somethin to do with it so she threw his boots away. now she seems to know somethin different.
As to Lindsay keeping her head down during the visit, prisoners and visitors cannot look straight ahead and see each other. They have to look down at a monitor to see the person they are visiting. If they stare straight ahead, they are looking at a camera.
I wonder if Haleigh and Jr were with Ron when he kept going over to Diane Prevatt’s house? What else did he do that weekend? Did he talk to WBG or Donnie Spells?
From an article at newspaper Jackonville.com.
The mother said Naynay and Misty were at Diane Prevatt’s residence the Friday before Haleigh vanished. She said Ronald Cummings, Haleigh’s father, came by three times wanting to see Misty, who was asleep.
When he was not allowed inside, he returned with Misty’s clothes and threw them outside, Diane Prevatt said.
Just came on to comment about the dog. Most of you know Tobias is really my boxer and I love animals. Lindsy is using a crate, which is a form of training, she has a dangerous dog right now (dog fought with another recently).
In my opinion the dog doesnt need to be around the children, it is dangerous. She cant afford to feed it properly, spend social time with it, vet visits etc. The dog needs a new home. If she takes it to the humane society it will be an automatic death sentence for it. They do not keep animals that cant get along with other animals(pitbulls especially) jmo
tobias, I agree that dog needs to be rehomed and not just taken to a shelter. Crates are great training tools but they should not be used to keep a dog caged up 24/7 and only taken out to go potty.
I think its literaly a cage not a training crate. I imagine a wire cage about 3x3x2, like a chicken cage but with heavier wire..This is just a guess but I don’t think they would have spent the money on a training crate when an old cage would do.
Tobias I agree with you, they can be very dangerous and who knows if Tommy raised it to be aggressive as some do. It needs to go to a home with no kids and where it can be socialized, and where the owner can afford to pay the bills that accompany being a pet owner.
I found that Chelsea’s baby was born in Daytona beach not Gainesville, July 16.
Thanks, WhyLie. I knew it was not in Putnam county just couldn’t remember where 🙂
Thanks WHYLIE~I also heard from someone in PC that it was NOT a c-section, it was listed in the C section of the paper (the birth announcement that is)
Welcome Vaquera. I kept thinking it was Gainesville.
Well back from Church and sitting here reading the few posts since mine as I enjoy pickled pigs feet and tossing rib bones to my pit bull that isn’t even my dog..
I wish everyone a happy Memorial Day on Monday and would like to thank all of those that have fought along with me to defend this great Country we call America. I thank the family members of those that fought along as well.
That all out of the way I would like to now say that MISTY IS INNOCENT !!!
I can not believe I just typed that but as I listen for the 5th time to the Tommy tapes I can’t help but come to that thought.
I believe with my entire heart and soul that Ronald and Teresa and Tommy and Hank and Lisa and yeap, even Misty knows what happened to that precious little child but; I do think Misty was either gone or asleep when what ever happened did happen.
All of this about Crazy Jove Overstreet.. I don’t buy it because he has been interviewed and no arrest has been made.
This isn’t a smart family.. sure they are criminals, the lot of them but they are in no way smart enough to fool LE. Keep in mind, not only PCSO is on this case but FDLE and the FBI is in this pool of people looking for Haleigh. As a former member of LE I have to tell you that even PCSO isn’t as stupid as many believe. All of them will cover their own asses but in the end it always comes out. I don’t think that any of them could keep quiet this long other than maybe Tommy and or Ronald because they know what the out come would/could be.
For the record, I feel sorry for Misty. She was a child when she met this child rapist (Ronald) and with her education she should still be treated as a child. Stupid is as stupid does.
Now.. back to my grill.. where is CathyJo? Ain’t seen much of her.. OJ’s Glove.. take it easy and to all of you that visited my flickr page.. Thanks for the kind words. Hope you all give thanks for the men and women that have fought and are fighting for our freedom this weekend.
Peace to all.
WhyLie said,in May 30th, 2010 at 7:07 am Ron was working for his aunt that weekend and going to work at his reg job at night. Doubt there was much beer drinking time.
Misty didn’t look like she had the crap beat out of her when I saw her on videos and interviews and that was only a few days later.
I think there is far more to the story of why Misty left that weekend and it will all come out when all the docs are released.
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I am not saying anything about the post you posted just wanted to clear one thing,
it doesn’t always have to show,ppl who beat on a spouse beat you where it doesn’t show!
Thats because they’re so cocky!
Trot,
Good post.
I think they all know more than they are telling. Whether that rises to the level of a crime will remain to be seen.
Just to put Haleigh at peace, I wish they’d start giving all the details of what happened and let the chips fall where they may. Its time and I think the closer to their drug trials is going to be critical to finally getting an answer.
ron is a teen stalker, no question. He does that because they are easier to control.
ron is good at making babies, he’s just and awful parent and human being. I don’t think prison will change that.
Trot,Im right here/waves see??
OJ is gonna luv you now,lol but he warned us and i believe Misty is 100% innocent myself!
its as plain as my big nose!
yea i left you a post about that album of yours,I was over there and just loving the pix when a snake chased me off just like that one chased Teresa N.LoL I loved the pix but the second i saw that snake boy i was outta there!
lol you have to know i am the kind of person who it terrifiedddddddd of only 2 kinds of snakes,a dead one and a live one!
ewwwwwwwwww brrrrrrrrrrr shiver’shiver’OMG OMG’
O LORD,get my drift…..lol brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
On not having time to drink beer….ron and company always have time to get high one way or another ands that’s why they are in jail and perhaps eventually prison.
Getting high to then is like us getting hungry and going down to the local taco bell to satisfy that hunger.
Look how skiiny they all were when they went in and what they weigh now. Finally, food comes before drugs. Imo
CJ, I agree it doesn’t always show, but Misty’s own mom had said up until the fight at AS’s house she had never known Ron to be violent.
I think the reason Misty left that weekend had nothing to do with Ron hitting her after she told him she was pregnant. I think Misty caught Ron and Crystal communicating, perhaps making plans to get together and Misty’s was hurt and left. I think that would also explain her saying hurtful things about Ron.
I think people tend to blame Ron for somehow corrupting Misty and blame him for all that is wrong with Misty and that is just not the case. Misty was corrupted by her own family and environment and society long before she ever met Ron.
castration will,lol and he won’t get pregnant by Bubba!
WhyLie,she’d never known,neither did mine!
imo she left because he did try to make her lose a baby he thought was WBG’S!
Misty was treated like a dog by her family,not corrupted at all but thats jmo………..
Ron is a bery abusive control freak imvho!
sorry,just disagreeing ok!lol
And ron was gas on the fire.
How could she have been pregnant by Greg when she didn’t even meet him until after she had left Ron?
look at how hard Misty defended Ron for fighting with her family,at sykes too that day,IMO i believe Misty called them to come get her but if Ron knew that OMG she knew what he’d do!
Following is the report by Deputy Nicole Quintiere:
On August 5th, 2009 I was dispatched to the parking lot of the Welaka Kangaroo in reference to the report of a battery. When I arrived on scene, I met with Hank Croslin Jr and Hank Croslin Sr and also Lisa Croslin. Upon initial assessment of the situation I gathered that Hank Croslin Jr had been battered by Ronald Cummings.
Upon further investigation into the incident, I spoke with Hank Croslin Jr on his own. Hank stated that he, Lisa and Hank Sr had gotten a phone call from Misty who was crying and yelling. He said that Misty asked for them to come to her residence and pick her up because she no longer wanted to be at the residence with Ronald. In an attempt to obtain his sister, he, Lisa and Hank Sr drove to her residence on 4th Avenue. He stated that when he arrived at the residence on 4th Avenue Ronald came out and was acting crazy. He said that Ronald came out and began “swinging on him”. He said that he was hit in the head and neck several times. He said that after they got in their physical altercation, he entered his vehicle in an attempt to drive away and Ronald entered the vehicle on the passenger side and began striking him again. He said that at that time, he drove away and went to the Kangaroo in Welaka to call 911. Hank Jr completed a written statement in reference to the incident. He also signed a charging affidavit against Ronald Cummings for Burglary with Battery. Hank Jr was transported to Putnam Community Medical Center complaining of injury to his neck and head.
After speaking with Hank Jr, I spoke with Lisa Croslin. Lisa stated that she was not sure what Ronald was on but he was not in the right state of mind. She said that up until now she never knew him as being violent. She said that they had received a phone call from her daughter Misty screaming and crying. She said that she was worried about her daughter and went to the residence to check on her. She said that when they arrived on scene Ronald went crazy. She said that when they were in the driveway of the residence Ronald came to the vehicle and hit her son. Lisa completed a written sworn statement in reference to the incident.
It should be noted that Hank Sr was at the scene as well. He stated that he did not wish to complete a written or recorded statement. He said that he did not want his daughter to be mad at him so he did not want to take any action. He did state though that he was at the residence when the fight occurred. He said that Ronald went crazy on his son. He said that they arrived and Ronald came out irate. He said that Ronald hit his son several times and then was forced back into the residence. He stated that after a few more minutes Ronald came back out and initiated another fight. He said that they got into three separate physical altercations before leaving the residence to call 911. No written or recorded statement was provided. He stated that he would be willing to speak in court if a subpoena was issued for him.
After speaking with all three of those subjects, I located Ronald Cummings at 216 4th Avenue. Upon initial contact, I detained Ronald Cummings for my safety and the safety of all others at the scene.It should be noted that Ronald Cummings is usually in possession of some sort of hand gun and it was mentioned that he may have been in possession of it at the current time. Ronald was taken outside of the residence by me and Deputy Nelson. Sgt Cecil Manning stayed in the residence with Misty Croslin and Ronald’s grandmother Annette Sykes. Ronald was asked to explain what happened with Hank Croslin Jr. He stated to me that he did not wish to speak that it was his right to remain silent. At that time, I asked Deputy Nelson to stay with Ronald while I spoke with Misty and Annette.
Upon speaking with Misty she stated that she had talked to her brother on the telephone. She said that she asked him why he had been calling her residence all day. She said that he asked her if he could come over and she said no because it was too late. She said that he then made a big ordeal about not being able to see her and said he was coming over anyway. She said that when he arrived at the residence, he began a verbal altercation with Ronald. She then said that Hank Jr came at Ronald and a physical altercation began. She said that Ronald went into the residence as instructed by his grandmother. When Hank did not leave the residence Ronald came back out and another physical altercation began. Misty said that she was trying to break up the fight and got hit in the face two times by Hank Jr and her dad Hank Sr because she was in the middle of the fight. She said that they fought for a little while longer and then her brother and mom and dad left. Misty completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident.
After speaking with Misty I spoke with Ronald’s grandmother Annette Sykes. Annette stated that she was in bed and heard a racket outside of her house. She said she got up and opened the door. She said she saw a group of people outside in her front yard. She said she saw three men in a crowd screaming and yelling. She realized that the men were Ronald Cummings, Hank Croslin Jr and Hank Croslin Sr. She said that they were fighting and Misty and her mother were trying to get them to stop. Misty told them to leave the residence. She said that she attempted to break up the fight and told Ronald to go into the residence and everyone else to leave.She said that she separated Ronald and Hank Jr and sent Ronald in the house. She said she pushed Hank Jr, Sr and Lisa into their van and told them to leave. She said that Hank Jr continued to yell at Ronald. She said that Ronald came back out and they went to fighting again. She said that Hank Jr was in the van and Ronald reached in again after him to continue the altercation. She said that again she sent Ronald into the residence and slammed the van door shut so that Hank, Hank and Lisa would leave. She said that Hank Jr was going to the handy way to call the sheriffs office. Annette completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident.
It should be noted that Ronald Cummings made it very clear at the scene that he had a right to remain silent and did not wish to speak about the incident without a lawyer. Ronald was placed in the rear seating area of my patrol vehicle. He was advised that he was being charged with Burglary with battery. Ronald was transported to the jail without incident. When we arrived at the jail he advised that he wished to “fill out a statement just like everyone else did against him”. He stated also that he wanted to sign charging affidavits in reference to battery against Hank Croslin Jr and Hank Croslin Sr.
In Ronald’s statement he stated that three people Hank Croslin Jr, Sr and Lisa Croslin showed up at his grandma’s house after they were told not to come there by his wife Misty Cummings. He said that Hank Jr and Sr got out of the van and approached in an “aggressive” manner. He said that he asked Hank Jr to get out of his face and he then came closer. He thought he was going to hit him so he pushed him out of the way. He said that Hank Jr then hit him after Ronald pushed him and the physical altercation began. He said that Hank Sr then entered the fight and held him while Hank Jr hit him. Ronald completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident and also signed charging affidavits against Hank Croslin Jr and Sr for battery.
Ronald was booked without incident on the charge of Burglary with Battery. His bond is set at $12,504.00. Photographs were taken of Ronald Cummings and Hank Croslin Jr’s injuries. The photographs have been uploaded onto the PCSO website for further review. At this time, the charging affidavits against Hank Croslin Jr and Sr will be forwarded to the State Attorney’s Office for further review. Any further reports or supplements will be completed and submitted in a timely manner.
jaba said,in May 30th, 2010 at 1:42 pm And ron was gas on the fire.
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You’re exactly right!
If Misty is protecting anyone… it’s either herself or Ron. When she told her dad to “get me out first” proved to me she had no feelings for others. IMO
Jaba,you’re correct,drugs also become before air! literally!
who knows,maybe she wanted to get outta state somewhere afraid ron was gonna get out!
i’m just sayin,we dunno how her mind was thinking! but i agree,shes protecting Ron because she’s terrified of him!
How could Misty have even kept calling her family the day of the fight? The Croslins didn’t have phones, they had to go to Kangaroo to use the phone to call LE.
IMO the only people Misty would protect are herself and Timmy/Chelsea.
who knows,but i have proof my daughters ex/bf/murderer made tons of threats about killing me and her dad if she didn’t stay away from us and I can see that so boldly in Ron!
i dunno but the cops didn’t question it,she mmay have called someone else to tell them?? a neighbor? who knows!
WL that’s a possibility…but she loved Ronald. She would do anything for him. I also believe she is close to Timmy but no so sure she would protect him. Her brothers seem to be concernedhen for her well being but when she said “get me out 1st”…well it didn’t sit well me. Maybe because she’s the baby of the family and they have always given into her demands. JMO
she wouldn’t protect them,misty doesn’t really feel love,imo…………..for family anway but she was and is and will always be terrified of Ron!
imo,she never learned what love was,she loved from what she knew and thought was love……..imo
but she’d never protect them but ron is a different story……..jmo
During the police intervention hank doesn’t want to help police( no written or recorded staement- he refuse) because misty would be mad at him. Unbelievable.
She calls for help, they come, there is a fight or two and hank can’t see this is not a good situation for her and not try and help police about an incident that happened under his nose? Unbelievable.
misty even said she was hit twice during the altercation.
right Okie,thats so true!
Yes I do beleive she’s terrified of Ron and I still think she loves him. Even tho her eyes are opening now. She’s is smellin the coffee.
but Jaba,the thing is,he knew ron would take it out on his daughter,have you ever been in that situation,i hope nottttttttttttt but i have!
its not that he didn’t want too,his daughter lived with that man???????????????
yes Okie……….you are 100 % exact in my opinion!
he knew Misty would always choose Rons side because she knew too,why do you think now allllllllll of her family keeps telling her not to hide nothing about Ron????????????
they’ve been thru it and they know she will protect Ron first!!!!!!!!!!
Thinking your right about her not being taught to love others….CJ63. People always gave into her and her whole family tried to protect her. But like most teens…she knew it all! I have been there and done that myself. But a child didn’t go missing in my care.
you wouldn’t believe the thoughts i had but i couldn’t help my daughter,she always took his side and i knew she lived with him so i’d try to fix it!
I just can’t stand Tommy! Anything that does not go his way is “”” BULLSH*T”””!!
He is such a liar and his wife is just as bad as she has put up with him all these years and wasn’t he in jail three times b4 this and promised the same thing he is now probably!
She enables him and enjoys it it seems!
right but thats what im saying too Okie,it did in her care,but whose fault…..when its over i think we’ll all be shocked,worse than we are now…jmo
TomME is a piece of crap imo
looking for Justice said,
in May 29th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
WhyLie,Crystal and Ron are 2 and 1/2 years apart. That is not a big gap as he and Mistys.
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Ron and Crystal are a year and a half apart.
Crystal is 25 years old. She just had a birthday on April 30th, which is when she turned 25.
Ronald is 26. He turned 26 on October 29th. That makes them one year and a half apart. That is not a big age gap at all.
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LadySadie said,
in May 30th, 2010 at 12:39 am
WhyLie, I don’t see how MG could have gotten probation, she is a school bus driver and you have to go through a FBI background check to work in any capacity for a school. If she had any felony conviction, even pleading nolo contendere, or a DUI she would have never gotten a job as a bus driver.
+++++++++
LadySadie, here is Marie’s docket info (just the relevant info, no point posting the whole thing. You can look it up yourself in the Putnam County records)
UCN: 541997CF001301XXAXMX
File Date: 1997-07-28 Judge: WILLIAM A PARSONS
Defense Atty: CLARK, RONALD E
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, NANCY MARIE
Date # Docket Description
1997-07-28 1 ARREST REPORT – POSSESSION OF CANNABIS, POSSESSION WITN
1997-07-28 1 INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER, MAINTAINING A DRUG DWELLING,
1997-07-28 1 POSSESSION OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA
1997-07-28 1 BOND SET AT $3,016.
(SNIPPED)
1997-12-11 17 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD GUILTY A/C CT I AND II UNLAWFUL POSS
1997-12-11 17 W/INTENT TO SELL OR DELIVER A CONT. SUB, MAINTAINING A
1997-12-11 17 DRUG DWELLING, ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 5YRS AND OR $5000 FINE
1997-12-11 17 1YR AND OR $1000 FINE, PL ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, CASE
1997-12-11 17 SET FOR SENTENCING 1/27/98 STATE RECOMM. GUIDELINE SENTENCE
1997-12-11 17 IF NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS AND RECMM W/HOLD ADJ. STATE NOT
1997-12-11 17 TO FILE ADDITIONAL CHARGES.
(SNIPPED)
1998-01-27 21 COURT WITHHELD ADJ. OF GUILT, ORDERED TO PAY $255 COURT COST
1998-01-27 21 AS TO CT. I SENTENCED TO 3YRS PROBATION, AS TO CT. II 1YRS
1998-01-27 21 PROBATION, RUN CONCURRENT WITH CT. I. TO PAY $25 COST OF
1998-01-27 21 SUPERVISION, TO COMPLETE OUT-IN PATIENT SUBSTANCE ABUSE
1998-01-27 21 COUNSELING AND TREATMENT IF NECESSARY AND PAY FOR ANY FEES
1998-01-27 21 OCCURED. TO PERFORM 50HRS. COMMUNITY SERVICE.
1998-01-27 22 ORDER WITHHOLDING ADJUDICATION OF GUILT AND PLACING
1998-01-27 22 DEFENDANT ON PROBATION – ENT MIN CIR CT BK276 PG662-665
(SNIPPED)
2000-03-13 27 ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION
2000-03-13 27 ENT MIN CIR CT – BK. 319 PG. 73-74
2003-03-28 28 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/REQUEST FOR COPIES/NO MONIES SENT
2003-04-09 29 LETTER FROM DEFENDANT/$7.00/REQUEST FOR COPIES OF J & S
2003-04-09 29 MAILED 04-15-2003
So Marie did receive probation and this really has nothing to do with HaLeigh. However, I do agree, I’m not sure how she received a job driving a bus.
She’s protecting Ron. I may have to eat crow but that. that’s my gut feeling. If Ron had nothing to do with Haleigh disapperance but thinking he knows something.
That 35,000 he wanted to get so he could have her back just eats away at me.
Jaba,and then after ron gets to jail then he wants to press charges on her family?
who went and got him,Misty??????
Cj,
Well then you man up and ‘take’ her. She was still underage then, right? Even if she was 18, its her dad. He should have done more to protect her, but I guess that goes without saying looking at how she lived.
Tommy at least threw hands with ronbo.
CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 2:00 pm right but thats what im saying too Okie,it did in her care,but whose fault…..when its over i think we’ll all be shocked,worse than we are now…jmo
I think your right! I just wish some little thing would surface and blow this case wide open!
she’s terrified of ron,sure even on camera you could tell he was walking around parading her in his arms and all,Misty is a child and thats the problem with abusive men,they will terrify you but they can also pull you right back in with a rose,a hug,a gift………..thats cause they know you as well as you do them but a moment of feeling like they love you is just enough to cover how they just terrified you,your self esteem is so low and its bad,believe me!
and so should I have????????
Tommy is a hustler and a scrapper! Also a thief. But a muderer…my jury is still out on that! We need some more ividence to be released.
Jaba,this man tried to burn my daughters eyes out,stab her with a screwdriver,run over her with the car while she was holding my grandson..her dad flew down there when a neighbor called us at 2am to say he was chasing her and she had to run upon that womans porch….k i called the cops,they came,took a stmt……he was charged,he evennnn went to jail for the 1st time ever thru it,next morning he’s out but told not to contact her at all,he called from a paypohone n the jail and said she’s a dead bitch……….she reported it,we went to court 2 weeks later,Ota was with us at home but said she didn’t feel like going,so her dad and i went to the courthouse to see what happened in court………guess what,5 minutes later our daughter walks in with him in front of us and dropped the charges?
Jaba,this man tried to burn my daughters eyes out,stab her with a screwdriver,run over her with the car while she was holding my grandson..her dad flew down there when a neighbor called us at 2am to say he was chasing her and she had to run upon that womans porch….k i called the cops,they came,took a stmt……he was charged,he evennnn went to jail for the 1st time ever thru it,next morning he’s out but told not to contact her at all,he called from a paypohone n the jail and said she’s a dead bitch……….she reported it,we went to court 2 weeks later,Ota was with us at home but said she didn’t feel like going,so her dad and i went to the courthouse to see what happened in court………guess what,5 minutes later our daughter walks in with him in front of us and dropped the charges?
the state kept it open but she dropped em?
CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 2:07 pm and so should I have????????
Sorry should have what? Stay in a abusive relationship? never! But I hear what your saying about the abuse and “under their spell”.
OMgosh she walked into court with him! But that’s her choice…on the other hand the child is a whole other story.
i’ll share sommin with ya,lemme get the link,believe me you’ll see different hopefully,cause its my victims witness statement i read to the judge the day he was finallllllllllllly sentenced 2 yrs later!
bbl thanks for letting me chat:)
Someone yesterday was remarking upon the LP appearances on NG and the noise in the background. It is a Macaw parrot
yesssssssssssssss and me and my husband kept the baby after,not custody but i was waiting!
WhyLie said, in May 30th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
IMO the only people Misty would protect are herself and Timmy/Chelsea.
*****
A so agree, altho I add Tommy to the mix.
OK CJ63 will read when I come back. TY 🙂
thats all i want guys,im not trying to briing yall to any sideeeeeeeee
I just want ya to know it sounds easyyyyyyyy to do but omgggggggggggg its the hardest thing ever to go thru!!!!!!!!!because these men have your family,lemme get a link,you’ll see what i mean!
no,should have got custody!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I’m sorry your daughter stayed and sided with him against her best interests.
This is the croslin story and I should realize that they are not normal and didn’t have the skills to help.
If misty didn’t want help, there isn’t anything they can do but try. And I don’t see them as trying. That’s all.
I know what I would have tried to do, other than that, that’s all I can say.
If I was worried about a death threat I’d involve the police and carry and conceal a weapon legally and protect my family and if I have to. Shoot a som bitch, I will and let the courts figure out if I was wrong. My offspring would be safe, the offender would be dead and wed go from there.
At some point, perhaps various points, in life you have to decide what type of man you are going to be. Is it protect at all costs or shy of that. Shy of that is where this case wound up, imo.
did the link post,
ty okie,ok
I know what i always said I’d try to do too Jaba but when you’re in that situation believe me,its a nighterror!
ron had guns to legally carry Jaba?
I coulda shot somebody but guess what? My daughter and grandson would be without somebody to look out for them too!
wish it were that easy,I wouldn’t be alone today Jaba,if it was!
In my state we have the castle doctrine which states if you have fear a threat to you or your property, you can use deadly force without indictment.
I wish every state had that.
I would have taken misty home and waited for ronbo to walk up the front walk and start shit then , with great regret, but it has to be done, end his life right there.
Easy to say, I know, but your family is the most important gift you get in life and a scumbag like ronnie damn sure aint taking that away when push comes to shove.
I fully realize domestic situations like this are tough and seeing the light at the end of the tunnel is difficult, but I think there could have been a better way to deal than they did. Imo
CJ,
Do you remember where the video of Teresa N
Showing Cobra that trailor? , she ran off because of a snake.
Jaba ,
do you live in Texas ?
Of course lisa and hank were getting high and that’s not the best scenario for thinking clearly.
This was a 4 month relationship, more could have been done by her parents.imo
Sorry things didn’t go well for you and your family. Not knowing all the facts, nor wanting to be up in your business, I’ll leave it at that and be thankful things are good for you now. 🙂
oh sorry,yes i do!
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/haleigh-cummings/teresa-neves/
yes Jaba,she was a minor but its not her fault her parents didnt?? imo thats allz im sayin
I agree,they sure could have,If Ota had been a minor,he’da left our lives longggggggggggggggg before that happened!
but apparently her parents at the time did not give a damn!
ty Jaba,but if i didn’t wanna share it i wouldn’t,theres a reason i do,awareness!!!!!!
WhyLie said,
in May 30th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
IMO the only people Misty would protect are herself and Timmy/Chelsea.
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No kidding and Tommy too. Misty is not going down for something Ron did, no way and neither is anyone else in her family. she’s not afraid of him either, Misty is not afraid of anyone. Misty is a liar and I was one of the biggest Misty supporters around, but she is very manipulative and is a seasoned liar.
Cricket,
Proudly so! 🙂
unless ya been there its difficult to grasp the reasons WHY!
and from experience I share the why’s??
IMO She’s terrified!
I know a scred woman or girl when i see her! jmo
brb gotta run to the store
i dont see toc as bad as people are trying to make him be.i think hes put to much into trying to help his sister on many occasions.he started out with joe didnt do thats bs i want lie for misty this time what does he do he turns around and tells what mistys going with.but in the same conversation he says i think shes covering for her old man.when misty gets in trouble she comes out swinging at tommy to take away from herself just like two young kids.ive never heard lc and she does talk alot say all youve every done is beat on me not one time.i think tc likes to protect.he also helped cobra out of sinking swamp land.i no he tried to protect his drug habit by stealing etc.you have to remember if a women is abused shell tell it.has lc said it i havent heard it yet.imo
Well, I’m sure bing in the situation is different. No doubt.
But, I’ve never played quarterback in the nfl, but if the cowboys put a guy the size of ron cummings at left tackle on sundays, tony romo will be killed. I think people can see clearly from the outside what could be used as a solution to a problem.
Jaba
The reason mt mind went to Texas is because I
heard on the news about some collage kids playing around it got of hand he ran to some
ones back door the old guy shot him and killed
him.He never spent a day in Jail.
Sotrue,
I ahvent hear tc abused lc physically, but who knows.
I was wondering if anyone knows if Tommy made promises that he would “be good” after he was let out of jail the previous times and why on earth his wife even believe him now?
I just can’t understand that at all. Wasn’t he in jail twice before in the last year or so?
Cricket,
There was a case a couple of years ago where a mildly famous band guy here in texas was taking chantrix to try and stop smoking. He drank when the label warned him not to.
He became abusive with hsi girlfriend which she said he had never done before and wound up hitting her. She ran out the back and to her front door where she got in and locked him out. He went next door banging and cussing on their door and the guy inside fired a shot at the very top of the door becasue he thought the guy was trying to break it down.
He did hit 6ew inches below the door frame and as the bullet exited the door, it his this guy in the head. He was 6 foot 5. Tragic case, but what would you do? You have to protect the family and you can wait to call 911. In some cases you have to act.
A grand jury no-billed the shooter as they should have, imo.
The guy killed, and I’d seen him with his band, and they were good, really good, by all accounts was the nicest guy you’d ever meet.
As many crazies are out there, if you look to be breaking in my home I have to assume the worst is what you intend and end the threat and deal with the law later. Knowing our statute helps me form a plan of action consistent with protection and without fear of jail.
Criminals are aware to and I think its a good deterent.
Will there be siuations where castle doesn’t apply in similar situations where one might take a shot at someone on there property prematurely, of course. And when it does the law takes over and a case is adjudicated.
Tommy is voilent
Case Information
Case Style: LINDSY KATE COLLINS v. HANK THOMAS CROSLIN JR
Case Number: 2004 13193 FMDL Category: Domestic Violence
Case Type: Family Law Filing Date: 12/31/2004
Case Status: Closed Related Cases: NO
Venue Information – 04 – Randell H. Rowe, III
Processing Location: DeLand Court Location: DeLand
Disposition Information – Dismissed After Hearing
Disposition Date: 01/11/2005 Jury Trial: NO
Appealed: NO Contested: NO
UCN: 642004DR013193XXXXDL
======================================
Date Number File Type Details
02/17/2005 16.000 MAIL RETURNED FROM Comments:
Lindsey Kate Collins, unable to forward, OREI
01/12/2005 15.000 RETURNED ORDER / NOTICE SERVED Comments:
as to Hank Thomas Croslin, Jr served 1/9/05 w/order extending
01/11/2005 14.000 ORDER OF/FOR DISMISSAL Comments:
*rec 1 pg
Official Record:
* Instrument: 2005007724 Book: 5472 Page: 2303
01/11/2005 13.000 HEARING SHEET Comments:
1/11/05 No show by either party, case dismissed
01/04/2005 12.000 COPY OF LETTER Comments:
to Flagler County Sheriff re: SOP of Order Ext
01/04/2005 11.000 ORDER EXTENDING INJ. FOR PROTECTION Comments:
until hearing 1/11/2005 @ 9AM
01/04/2005 10.000 COPY OF DRIVER’S LICENSE Comments:
as to Lindsy Kate Collins
12/31/2004 9.000 CONFIDENTIAL ADDRESS FORM Comments:
as to Lindsy Kate Collins
12/31/2004 8.000 NOTICE OF FILING SOCIAL SEC NUMBER Comments:
Lindsey Kate Collins
12/31/2004 7.000 RECEIPT FOR TEMPORARY INJUNCTION Comments:
Lindsey Kate Collins
12/31/2004 6.000 TEMPORARY INJUNCTION AND NOTICE OF HEARING Comments:
effective 1/4/2005
12/31/2004 5.000 COPY OF DRIVER’S LICENSE Comments:
Lindsey Kate Collins
12/31/2004 4.000 FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT Comments:
Lindsey Kate Collins
12/31/2004 3.000 AFFIDAVIT / APPLICATION OF CHILD CUSTODY JURISDICTION
12/31/2004 2.000 PETITION FOR INJUNCTION FOR PROTECTION
12/31/2004 1.000 ADVICE TO PETITIONER
no I don’t think tommy abused lindsey phsically,but emotionall yes he did …imo
thats why he was saying,whats up with you,why u acting like a jerk,go home then,hes used to doing the pushing and controlling,but shoes on the other foot now,she has him in a headlock and he knows it!
Jaba,
I can see where it might be good with those
law’s .
I know in Calif. the criminals have more rights
than law biding citizens.
because it always worked at home?
yea and i do guarantee ya too,he was abusive while drunk,his own son was scared of him!
here tooooooooo Cricket!
shux honey,my hubby would give ya the pocket off his shirt sober,but drunk he’d become a nightmare,believe me!
Has nothing to do with it but just so ya know and i am fair,after Dakota was born He changed drastically,,,,,,,,,,,,alot of that stopped!!!!!! why i say my last 3 yrs were the best i ever had being married to him!
and Dkaota was 3 when he passed!
Does anyone no how to find out if
Misty Croslin had five warrents out
for her before the drug bust ?
if Ida known Grandkids were so much fun,Ida had him first,rofl
huh? i’ll look cricket!
Misty Cummings
Cummings and the two children were living together when he met Croslin in 2008.
Sykes’ first impression of the petite teen came from the children.
“The kids adored her and she seemed to adore them back,” Sykes said. “I mean they’d cry to go back to her.”
Sykes said she saw another side of her grandson’s girlfriend in the months after Haleigh vanished, when Cummings, Croslin and Ronald Jr. moved in with her.
“You can’t threaten her or do anything to her emotionally or mentally that will affect her,” Sykes said. “She doesn’t have the ability.”
Sykes said even repeated interrogations by investigators had little impact.
“When the sheriff’s department was threatening her and doing all their doings and stuff, it didn’t faze her,” she said.
Sykes said Croslin’s childhood may have dulled her emotionally.
“She basically was here, there and yonder,” Sykes said. “I don’t reckon she knew from one day to the next where she was going to be.”
Croslin was born in Michigan, but the family of five moved to where her father, Hank Croslin Sr., could find drywall work, her parents said. They spent time in Tennessee, her mother’s home state, and Colorado before moving to Florida.
When their daughter was in the sixth grade, they were living in Flagler County.
“I’d send her to the bus stop,” her mother, Lisa Croslin, said. “She’d never get on the bus. If it was a day she wanted to go, she’d go. If it was a day she didn’t want to go, she would hide.”
“She can’t read,” her father said. “She was behind in class just like all of us.”
Reading disabilities run in the family, he said.
“I can’t read at all,” he said.
At about 15, Misty bought a bus ticket under a false name and moved to New Jersey with a boyfriend. After several months and with the help of a social worker, she was found and brought home.
About that time, the Croslins moved to Putnam.
Her father said she began hanging out with Kristina “Nay Nay” Prevatt and Amber Brooks, who is the mother of Cummings’ other son.
Both Prevatt and Brooks have drug arrest histories. The weekend before Haleigh disappeared, Misty was with Prevatt. “That’s where all the trouble started, hanging around Nay Nay and Amber,” her father said.
He said he couldn’t convince her to distance herself from the new crowd. Misty was more trouble than the Croslins’ two sons, he said.
“She was the wildest one,” he said. “She was.”
On Feb. 9, the night after Croslin returned to Cummings’ mobile home from the weekend of partying, Sykes dropped by. She said she was upset that Croslin had gone off and left her grandson without anyone to watch over the two kids.
“I was mad because Ronald let her come back,” she said. “But it’s his house. There wasn’t nothing I could do about it other than be mad.”
By the next morning, Haleigh was gone.
dana.treen@jacksonville.com, (904) 359-4091
i can’t find anything,but that article about her past but i heard she’d never been in trouble with the law till this!
Case Disposition CLOSED (CRIMINAL/NONCRIMINAL) Case Disposition Date 06/30/2005
Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s) Attorney Phone
CROSLIN, HANK T
TOMMY
CROSLIN, HANK T
CROSLIN, HANK T
DEFENDANT
MEYER, SCOTT W (386)226-2636
Party Charge(s)
Case Party CROSLIN, HANK T
Count Code Description Disposition Disposition
Date
1 741.31 CONTEMPT OF COURT-VIOL INJUNCTION PROTECTION DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ANNOUNCEMENT NO INFORMATION/NO PETITION 06/30
===============================================
2005 MM 000025 A STATE OF FLORIDA VS. CROSLIN, HANK T
File Date 01/04/2005 Case Status CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) Case Status Date 07/08/2005
Case Disposition CLOSED (CRIMINAL/NONCRIMINAL) Case Disposition Date 07/08/2005
Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s) Attorney Phone
CROSLIN, HANK T
TOMMY
CROSLIN, HANK T
CROSLIN, HANK T
DEFENDANT
Party Charge(s)
Case Party CROSLIN, HANK T
Count Code Description Disposition Disposition
Date
1 784.03 BATTERY ANNOUNCEMENT NO INFORMATION/NO PETITION 07/08
===============================================
2007 MM 000903 STATE OF FLORIDA VS. CROSLIN, JR, HANK T
File Date 04/19/2007 Case Status CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL) Case Status Date 04/19/2007
Case Disposition CLOSED (CRIMINAL/NONCRIMINAL) Case Disposition Date 05/01/2007
Party Information
Party Name Party Alias(es) Party Type Attorney(s) Attorney Phone
CROSLIN, JR, HANK T
DEFENDANT
Party Charge(s)
Case Party CROSLIN, JR, HANK T
Count Code Description Disposition Disposition
Date
1 784.03 BATTERY ADJUDICATION WITHELD 05/01/2007
==========================================
Thanks for the info vaquera.
CJ,
I heard that to but this morning I was listening to a video and it said Misty
had five warrants before arrested..
hmmmm,i dunno!
i know when they arrested her,they added more!
if misty had warrants she would have been arrested at the road rage incident I would figure..are you asking if some of the 8 charges were filed first? or ru speaking of other different charges? Her records have been pretty much scoured and I haven’t seen anything like that. How to find out exactly I’m not sure.
But I thought all 8 were filed at once.
that sounds familiar, arrested for 5 then 3 tacked on later.
http: //jacksonville. com/news/metro/crime/2010-02-18/story/two_new_charges_added_to_misty_croslin_in_court
thats what i am saying Oj,more added when she went to court,remember??
Photos
Video
Audio
Jailhouse interview:Ronald Cummings speaks with his grandmother by phone from the Putnam County Jail on Jan. 29
911 call: Listen to the initial 911 call from Misty Croslin
More archived coverage of the Haleigh Cummings case
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By Dana Treen
PALATKA — As Misty Croslin stood before a judge in shackles and chains Thursday to face seven drug trafficking charges, a California bounty hunter was offering her a way out of jail in an exchange of information.
In addition to being jailed on drug charges, Croslin, 18, is a central figure in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings, a 5-year-old who has been missing from her home in Putnam County for more than a year.
Before Croslin went to her arraignment, the bail that stood between her and freedom was about $1.3 million. In Sacramento, Calif., Thursday, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla said he was willing to pay a bond he estimated at $135,000 to get her out.
The deal has a caveat.
“It’s got to bear fruit,’ he said. “It’s got to lead me to Haleigh.”
Padilla is best known in Florida for bailing out Casey Anthony in 2008. Anthony was charged with killing her young daughter in Central Florida.
Croslin’s attorney, Robert Fields, has written Padilla a letter to back off.
Fields said Padilla wants to question Croslin, then decide if he will arrange a bond.
“If he likes the answers, he will bail her out,” he said. “It’s a license to interrogate.”
In conversations with her parents, Croslin has asked that they maintain contact with Padilla, who came to southern Putnam County when Haleigh disappeared.
Fields said Croslin has changed her mind.
“Hearing his [Padilla’s] conditions she doesn’t want to do it,” he said.
Fields said he would be willing to accept help with her bail if the offer came with no strings attached.
Padilla said he does not believe Croslin was asleep, as she said she was, when Haleigh disappeared.
“I’m not going to believe that,” he said.
Padilla said he also has been helping Croslin’s parents and bought a 2001 Ford Taurus for her father, who is not working and says notoriety from Haleigh’s case has kept him from getting a job. Padilla said he also gave Hank Croslin money to meet expenses.
“I don’t believe she’s told the cops what happened,” Padilla said.
Croslin was arraigned on seven charges of trafficking Thursday and was brought to the courtroom in a blue jail uniform and with cornrows in her hair. Two of the charges were new, and could increase the bail.
She faces an additional trafficking charge in St. Johns County.
Croslin was charged following an undercover narcotics investigation that ended with five arrests, including her former husband, Ronald Cummings, who is Haleigh’s father.
She was babysitting Haleigh, and Cummings’ son, Ronald Jr., when the 5-year-old girl disappeared just more than a year ago.
Thursday she conferred quietly with her attorney before Circuit Judge Terry LaRue read the charges to her. She looked somber during the appearance, wearing waist chains and handcuffs. Investigators from Haleigh’s case stood in the back of the courtroom during the hearing.
Hope Sykes, 18, a co-defendant in the drug case, was also arraigned in the Putnam court on one count of trafficking. Cummings and co-defendants Hank Croslin Jr. and Donna Michelle Brock, 44, skipped arraignment hearings and instead filed written pleas of not guilty and asked for jury trials.
Fields told LaRue he has filed similar not-guilty pleas in the five initial charges facing his client and intends to do so in the remaining two Putnam cases.
In another twist Thursday, Croslin’s mother, Lisa, was arrested on a warrant as she left the courthouse following an earlier hearing. The charge stems from an incident at the Palatka Walmart around Christmas, Hank Croslin Sr. said of his wife.
Lisa Croslin is charged with grand theft after a purse was reported stolen to the Palatka Police Department, authorities said. She was released on bail later in the day, according to Putnam County Sheriff’s Office jail records.
Misty Croslin’s next Putnam County court appearance is March 31.
Investigators who made the arrests on Jan. 20 did so following a monthlong investigation in which undercover officers used vehicles equipped with audio and image recording devices, according to the arrest reports.
One undercover agent bought drugs several times and then offered to sell the pills before the arrests were made. The deals involved a total of 330 pills of oxycodone and hydrocodone and and an estimated street value of $3,900.
Misty Croslin faces eight counts of trafficking in prescription drugs, including the single charge in St. Johns County. Her arraignment in that case is March 8. Ronald Cummings, 26, faces five counts. Croslin’s brother, her friend Brock and Sykes, a cousin, each face one count of trafficking.
Following the arrests last month, investigators said they would take the opportunity to question those charged about Haleigh’s case.
trotlinedesigns has a good head on his shoulders..a welcome addition to the board
first they had her for 1 or 2 but kept adding to hold her imo?
I like him but i can live without his pix,lol
brrrrrrrrrrrr
I was fine till i saw his snake pic!lol
I just went back to find out about the warrants
They were making it sound like she had them
before the bust, when it was for drug bust warrants.
right Cricket,they want it to look bad as N/G does!
When I read that article it says an UC bought pills and then offered to sell.
Question: is there proof that another uc supplied the pills this other uc bought and then offered to sell?
If not, then that’s tells me the case is tighter and less apt to see a entrapment defense.
But, if misty ‘sold’ this uc pills, or ron or hope or tommy, did LE get the original seller who was not LE?
Anyone have proof of any of this that diagrams the dealing?
i think if they let rc off again after this arrest they should just let hope do 3 yrs and misty 1st time offender boot camp etc.if rc gets 15 years after all of his prior arrest than to me that says something about that darn sa dont it.to me they’ll look like fools and i think would show they cant be trusted no more then le.as far as toc if he was that terrible to lc i think she’d be screaming it to high heaven.imo
Look bad or not, thankfully we have a system of justice where facts can be presented and a jury of 12 can decide if there was impropriety from LE.
Didn’t someone say on a jail tape while talking to misty that they, the person speaking to her, was sorry about getting her other charges? The 7th or 8th ones. Anyone remember that?
CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 1:40 pm WhyLie,she’d never known,neither did mine!
Ron is a bery abusive control freak imvho!
————————————————-ITA, most /Domestic violence victims are too ashamed to tell anyone and even whwn the perp hits them where it “might” be noticed, they are have usually perfected the art of covering it up by makeup, longsleeves, and turtlenecks. I agre also that Ron is very controlling and abusive and was to Crystal and Amber. Often a DV victim has so little self esteem left they accept what the POS abuser tells them over and over, and once you’ve been told your stupid, useless etc., they tend to believe it until they get away from the abuser and even then it takes many yrs for them to see the light and realize they are better than what they’ve been told and didn’t deserve what was doled out to them, but only after yrs of reflection and therapy. So sad as there is no telling what HaLeigh and Jr witnessed living with there father:(
wrong facts too Jaba,thats the thing!
What looks like facts arent always facts!
and I can tell ya,Jusice is never fair!
1,3900 for 5 people thats just takes
cake .
you are exactly 1000000% right,thats exactly how it goes,they’re good at lying and convincing and they tell a woman they are there to protect HER,then they turn him loose and bam,she’s like….theres no help and thats why i think Lindsey feels safer now!
they tell you they’re so sorry and it’ll never happen again and you’re self esteem tank is empty anyway so you believe it!
jaba,tho i know what ya mean the jury and all but still,ppl have a way of convincing you they’re facts!
especially in court of law!
right justone said crystal droped the charges on rc.amber didnt file charges but talked about it.misty has talked about it but they never followed threw with charges.so sad and there all on drugs that says something.sure would like to no where haleigh is thats whats most important in all this.everyone can disect the c-s-c all they want but most importent still is haleigh.bless her heart.
Just one ,
Agreed. The abused are in no position sometimes to do anything but absorb the punishment. What an awful way to live. I feel bad for anyone who can’t ‘get out’.
I think that’s when I look at friends or family and how they can help. Its not easy, no question, but I think, in some cases, the family or friends don’t take the right approach to a solution to help. There is a ton of help for those that can get to it. Getting there is 99% of the problem.
Maybe its just me, but I can’t stand folks who get picked on and have no defense to the “picker” and hope that they have a big bad angel to guide them through to the other side. If the ‘picker’ gets his or her ass kicked in the mean time, goodie, goodie.
There are people who can defend themselves, for the ones who can’t, I hope someone steps in to help when they can.
Its a shitty road to follow but there are good hearted tough people out there who relish the opportunity to put these abusers in their place and stop the cycle.
On this Memorial Day it reminds me of soldiers who go off to help the defesneless and are proud to do it. Those are great people, imo.
Too bad we can’t use the armed forces to stop the abusive knuckleheads. Our military don’t play. They end shit. Imo
just one said,in May 30th, 2010 at 3:54 pm CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 1:40 pm WhyLie,she’d never known,neither did mine!
Ron is a bery abusive control freak imvho!
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Its almost tattooed on his forehead!
Justice is fair a lot of the time. Ask victims who have found it.
Not always, not 100%, but its the fairest system in the world, imo.
Can you imagine if they left guilt or innocence up to bloggers with only a cursory knowledge of the facts like we have? :). We would have convicted and pardoned and relased and rearrested a whole host of folks in this one. 🙂
okie222 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 2:15 pm bbl thanks for letting me chat:)
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Nobody here can let you chat???
well cept Jan and Simon,lol but you’re as welcome here as anybody to chat and iffin we don’t hear ya,type in CAPS,LoL Till we do!
jaba said,in May 30th, 2010 at 4:15 pm Justice is fair a lot of the time. Ask victims who have found it.
Not always, not 100%, but its the fairest system in the world, imo.
Can you imagine if they left guilt or innocence up to bloggers with only a cursory knowledge of the facts like we have? :). We would have convicted and pardoned and relased and rearrested a whole host of folks in this one
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Not if i was,LoL They’d all be in Alcatraz today feeding off one another!Might be the fairest cuz its the only one here! jmo………
Even kids raped and murdered and their offenders might receive justice but i guarantee ya it was still never enough!
I’d like to see ron with a forehead tatoo, it would take my attenion off of his ‘pimp walk’, 🙂
I do not see Misty being afraid of Ron at all. She left when she wanted, she came home when she wanted, she did what she wanted when she wanted.
I do think she was frightened of him when Haleigh was taken just as anybody who would have been in that position would have been much less a teenager.
jaba said,in May 30th, 2010 at 2:38 pm Cricket,
proudly so
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I love that law in TX, I am from TX and there you can even protect your neighbor’s property, remember when Joe Horn (I think that was his name) shot the intruders breaking in his neighbor’s home and everyone was saying he’ll be convicted, I was thinking “you must not be from TX, because I knew he’d never be convicted there). I live in FL now and here the law is there is no duty to retreat, pretty much meaning if you feel threatened for yourself, family you may use deadly force and we have an open carry law IIRC, no need to hide your weapon…….
lol me too!!!! Jaba,me too
Thanks for the info.
I read some cases similar to Misty’s and have seen where some cases like hers were thrown out for entrapment. She said the UC LE officer kept calling her over and over. This is entrapment in my opinion. She did not do it so the UC kept on and on until she did.
What do you guys think? Does she have a snowballs chance at having her cases thrown out for entrapment?
somebody said he walked that way cuz he was in shacles,he walks that way the few times we seen him not in shackles too,lol
I think you’re dead on Sandee!!!! jmo tho
Sandee,look for an agreement post right about now from OJ’S Glove too,lol
/me waits cuz it’ll be a first,lol
if he doesn’t post i mean,lol
Sandee I think that if Fielding does not use an entrapment defense then he isn’t much of an attorney. Misty has no priors, never been arrested for selling or buying drugs, and if this UC did call her several times with her refusing to help him and then she finally gave in then I think entrapment might be able to be proven.
That is one of the type reasons that the state would make a deal with Ron in exchange for his testimony.
I think rons guns scared people, not ron.
misty, however, was in really in no postion to fight back.
But, then misty goes back to him after being told to bring condoms. Sheeeesh. How degrading is ole ronnie boy? He’s a douche bag that took advantage of anyone he could. Prey on the weak is rons m.o.
jaba said,in May 30th, 2010 at 4:29 pm I think rons guns scared people, not ron.
misty, however, was in really in no postion to fight back.
But, then misty goes back to him after being told to bring condoms. Sheeeesh. How degrading is ole ronnie boy? He’s a douche bag that took advantage of anyone he could. Prey on the weak is rons m.o.
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hmmmm this might be the time i totaaly agree with you Jaba…lol i do at times but not tatally,lol
Misty grew up in a house full of dysfunctional men. Those are the people she should have feared.
she fears authority period imo and men add to it,lol jmo
Where the heck is Tobias????
it is sad tho!
OJ has disappointed me now,rofl Was waiting but he didn’t do it,lol
I haven’t hear misty say uc was calling and calling but you may have. That would be important.
Florida:
The standard for entrapment in Florida is as follows: it is not entrapment when the police intend to disrupt ongoing criminal activity and use reasonable means to do so. Alternatively, if the police are going out of their way to take advantage of someone who is not otherwise involved in drug trafficking or a related drug crime, and they use unreasonable methods to do it, the defense of entrapment can work. However, if the state can show that the defendant is predisposed to commit the drug crime, i.e. he/she has sold or been involved with illegal drugs before or was familiar with how drug deals work and the terminology, the entrapment defense is problematic, unless the defendant can show that the police’s conduct was particularly outrageous.
when the dirty tricks that LE played come out it will be more then a snowballs chance, big time.
I think the only person/people Misty has shown any fear of are the guy/guys that robbed her. Now in that 911 she sounded scared.
roflllllllllll see,he smelled that comment!
Yes, I think the entrapment should be her defense or at least a very good beginning:)
Still waiting on Oj’s post;)
I have been reading all of your post and feel like I know you all already =)
adding though she was a minor Jaba,I’d say she has a real chance,
they waited till she turned 18 to arrest her,but she was a minor when the crime was commited!
and ya can’t even buy beer or cigs till then legally!by law?? so this is law too imo…….just sayin’
lol Sandee,right we all do and thats why i keep asking about Tobias,she’s always around somewhere,lol
When is all of this coming out?
Does anyone have proof of it they can site?
It is obvious what LE was trying to do. They went after all of them over and over again, making sure that the quantity of pills was over the amount needed for high trafficking charges. And yet UC only went after Hardy’s son for one deal and made sure the amount was on the low end of trafficking charges.
It is obvious why that was done. They wanted Misty in jail facing as many years as they could possibly get her on.
Sandee,
Where can we hear misty saying she was called over and over. That would change my mind based on florida procedures.
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The standard for entrapment in Florida is as follows: it is not entrapment when the police intend to disrupt ongoing criminal activity and use reasonable means to do so. Alternatively, if the police are going out of their way to take advantage of someone who is not otherwise involved in drug trafficking or a related drug crime, and they use unreasonable methods to do it, the defense of entrapment can work. However, if the state can show that the defendant is predisposed to commit the drug crime, i.e. he/she has sold or been involved with illegal drugs before or was familiar with how drug deals work and the terminology, the entrapment defense is problematic, unless the defendant can show that the police’s conduct was particularly outrageous.
Drug Trafficking Defense
Timothy Hessinger and Donald Kilfin use their knowledge as former prosecutors to defend trafficking cases. Our team of experienced lawyers seek to reduce trafficking charges to possession or obtaining a controlled substance by fraud. To do this, we ask questions such as: Did police exceed authority in a wiretap or search? What kind of deal did their informant get for implicating you? Was your conduct justifiable or excusable? If the government used a confidential informant to entrap you into committing a drug trafficking act, you may have an entrapment defense.
right Whylie!!
wait til the underhanded dispicable vile tricks LE has played come out..
its called CASE DISMISSED!
Show me where the uc called and called. That would be a problem for LE’s case.
I’ve seen misty admit to ‘some’ of the charges.
I’ve seen hope plead nolo without a fight nor an appeal on her sentence. Time has expired on that.
Why is ron trying to plead?
Why has there been no motion to dismiss been filed based on entrapment?
You don’t wait until trial to do that do you?
Why is tommy not filing a motion to dismiss based on entrapment?
And if you don’t think jailhouse lawyers haven’t told them what to do, you are naïve.
El ronbo knows the game. He’s knowledgeable about how this all works. Why isn’t he filing motions to dismiss instead of offering to plead to save years?
You guys may be right about entrapment, but why no effort on the part of 4 or 5 different attorneys? That’s what confuses me.
i read myself they called and called,ill go look for it tho,
just sayin tho and yea she’s guilty but was entrapped to make her guilty of drug trafficing when she was a minor?
Jaba, Hope did file an appeal. From what I can tell it will only be Misty that may benefit from an entrapment defense since she is the one that the UC kept contacting.
Office, Satsuma, Hope Sykes | by John H. Gohde
Reading the six incident reports that were released by the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office (PCSO) reveals some interesting information about the method of operation of the Satsuma 4 Plus 1 prescription drug gang.
In all of the drug stings, an under cover officer first had to leave Misty Croslin a message on her cell phone to call him back.
Every member of the Satsuma 4 Plus 1 prescription drug gang made the fatal decision to consummate the drug transactions inside the under cover agent’s automobile. Most of the time, they actually chose to ride along with the officer inside the very car that LE had rigged up with both audio and video recording equipment. Misty Croslin usually assumed the passive role by sitting in the front passenger seat while the power player, or the person who actually sold the drugs, always sat in the rear passenger seat.
On Tuesday, December 22, 2009 at approximately 2:30 pm the famous McDonalds restaurant incident at 2627 Reid St, Palatka, Florida went down.
After the under cover officer met up with Misty and Tommy Croslin who had arrived in their own car, Tommy went to talk to an unidentified man in a Black Chevy Truck, who presumably gave him the drugs. But Tommy, also, had the opportunity to retrieve the pills that could have been hidden in some bushes.
Tommy and Misty entered the under cover agent’s car to complete the sale of 45 oxycodone pills for $750.00 whereupon both Misty and Tommy exited the car. And, drove off in their own automobile.
Then on Tuesday, January 8th, 2010 the next score went down. The under cover agent started working Misty at 2 o’clock in the morning. Misty responded that she was riding with Donna in Brock’s car. The crime duo was coming from Virginia and would be in Brunswick, Georgia at 02:23 am. They were to meet up with the under cover agent at 4 o’clock in the morning with the pills.
Misty Croslin characteristically had loose lips. Misty told the officer that she did not like to use her own cell phone. That Donna needed the money. She also started to freak out because a lot of money and a lot of pills would be involved in this transaction. Further, she did not want to get into trouble. But asked if the nice officer could please drive her back home, afterwards?
The exchange of 155 oxycodone pills for $800.00 took place in front of the Flying J Truck Stop on 950 State Rd 206, Saint Augustine, Florida. Afterward, Donna Brock immediately exited the officer’s car with the money and took off heading south.
Misty Croslin remained in the car while the officer drove the excited little girl home to 116 Tyler St, Satsuma, Florida. Because Misty was so sweet, the officer insisted on giving Misty an extra hundred dollars for brokering the transaction with Brock. Misty told him that he would be able to buy more drugs from Donna in about three months.
Then there were three more related buys that took place in early January. On the 18th of January 2010, Misty Croslin was sufficiently trained, or shall we say dumb enough, to consummate an illegal drug transaction by herself, along with a black haired white female that PCSO has only identified as Kelly. New information indicates that she is a minor and is the sister of Kristina “NayNay” Prevatt. On the first two deals, Hope Sykes, the 18-year-old simply sat in the backseat of the under cover agent’s car and did virtually nothing but receive on the job training.
On Tuesday January 12th at approximately 10 pm Misty returns the under cover’s agent’s phone call and informs him that she had been robbed of the $100 that he had given her for brokering their last transaction. This was an unreported robbery. Apparently, Misty Croslin had wised up enough not to call 911 every time she gets robbed. Nevertheless, Misty still did not possess enough smarts to buy enough minutes for her cell phone. Seems that LE had offered to buy her minutes that night.
The officer originally requested 30 pills. But Misty and Ronald were a little short and only offered the agent 9 pills. LE was instructed to drive to 2nd Avenue, Welaka, Florida. The three clowns (Misty, Ronald, and Hope) arrived on foot with the 9 Hydrocodone pills, which were sold to LE by Ron for $65.00. The gang of three then promptly took off again on foot.
Being short on the pills, LE once again called Misty on the following day at around 4 pm. Misty returned their call and said that she had 25 pills to offer at $7.00 a piece. Ronald Cummings in the background chipped in that he did not want any more mix-ups, which apparently was in reference to the crime trio having had to take off on foot, yesterday. Perhaps, that was how Misty managed to have gotten robbed a few days ago?
LE this time was instructed to arrive at Old San Mateo road. The crime trio showed up in Ron’s white Chevy truck. Characteristically Ron then instructed LE to drive to yet another location. Apparently, as a security precaution Ronald always liked to hide the drugs in the bushes. A lot of maneuvering was always necessary before LE was able to have the pills in hand. After all, the brilliant suspects wanted to impress the under cover agent with their smarts.
This time 25 Hydrocodone pills were purchased from Misty Croslin-Cummings, Ronald Cummings, and Hope Sykes for $190.00.
One more drug transaction was made on Thursday the 14th, this time without Hope; at around 7 pm. Misty called back and told LE to arrive at the same Old San Mateo road location.
Ronald and Misty arrived in their white Chevy truck. After a whole lot of driving around in a failed attempt to confuse LE, a drug transaction of 71 Hydrocodone pills went down for $500.00. This time the crime duo had an epiphany. They charged LE an extra $30.00 payment for facilitating the deal. Misty and Ronald had finally arrived in the big time!
A few days later on January 18th, having been thoroughly trained in the ways of selling drugs on the street Misty Croslin, along with the mystery women who turned out to be Kelly Dodd, sold LE 18 Hydrocodone pills all by themselves.
The price was $140.00. Feeling embolden she charged LE an additional $40.00 payment for facilitating the deal. On the way back to Ronald Cummings the crime masterminds had LE drive Kelly back to her mother’s house on Tropic Avenue. Then it was off to meet Ron at a Kangaroo convenience store on Highway 17. Upon arriving, Ronald Cummings jumped into LE’s car to discuss a future drug deal. They had established customers willing to pay $7 a pop, plus a handling fee of $40. With visions of more money in their eyes, the prospering crime duo took off in Ron’s truck shortly thereafter.
jaba said,in May 30th, 2010 at 5:02 pm Show me where the uc called and called. That would be a problem for LE’s case.
I’ve seen misty admit to ’some’ of the charges.
I’ve seen hope plead nolo without a fight nor an appeal on her sentence. Time has expired on that.
Why is ron trying to plead?
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Maybe because hes involved in a homicide case?? jmo
Shoemaker is trying to make a deal because that is what a GOOD lawyer does, unlike the one that Hope had.
Whylie,
Where is the info on hopes appeal? I’d go read it. Maybe she has something.
And CJ, if you have time and can find the misty comments I’d love to see them too.
It would have had to be on a jail tape right? She hasn’t done an interview with anyone, I don’t think.
If its someone in her camp saying it, I’d give that less weight than if she said it.
We’re talking the difference between prison and being free. That would be huge.
I know she said it in one of the tapes to Hnak…a fewwwwwwwww weeks ago! but i’ll go find it!
Jaba, this is on Hope. You can find it in court docs in Putnam county
2010-05-26 63 ORDER ON DEFENDANT’S MOTION FOR REHEARING
2010-05-26 64 ORDER ON MOTION TO WITHDRAW AS COUNSEL SUBSEQUENT
2010-05-26 64 TO FILING INITIAL APPELLATE DOCUMENTS
2010-05-26 65 ORDER APPOINTING OFFICE OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR
2010-05-26 65 PURPOSES OF APPEAL
2010-05-26 66 LETTER TO THE HONORABLE SUSAN WRIGHT
2010-05-26 67 LETTER TO THE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
Misty told her dad that UC kept calling her to make the deal. I am pretty sure it was a visit not a phone call, but I am not sure.
*cathyjo* ~ we talked alot about domestic violence yesterday…when most of mine was going on, women (or whoever was abused) had the right to drop charges (as in your daughter’s case), but over the last 15 or so years, here in my state, charges are now officially brought by LE, and even if the abused person wanted to, they could NOT drop the charges…wish for your family’s sake, t
hat could have been the case for your daughter… ((hug))
i encourage anyone who doesn’t have a law like that in their own states, to write their lawmakers. sometimes even the “victim” can’t see what is best for themselves. in those cases, a law like this really works.
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also, when everyone was disussing misty’s “pregnancy” (above)…was it ever “proven” that she was even pregnant at all? there are alot of comments above saying that ron tried to get her to lose the baby, and i remember the story at the time…but i always thought she had tried to “fake” a pregnancy by showing him someone else’s positive test. if she did “fake” it, i think that shows alot about her character.
jmo
I would think that the Judge saying Hope did not qualify for youthful offender status because she had been arrested previously may be in question. While she was arrested a couple of weeks before she had not been found guilty of those charges should not, IMO, have been relevant to her youthful offender status.
Also since the Judge did listen to the tape of her visit with her mom, the judge should have understood, just as most of us understood, that Hope really did not know or understand what she was pleading out to and the consequences of that plea deal. IMO
I read that the ultra sound pix were actually Chelseas……..she was telling ron she was pregnant,or thats what i’ve read anyway!but she really wasn’r,so i am not sure?
hmmmmm,i dunno which tape it is? ill keep looking tho!
The story about Misty being pg and showing Ron a positive test and then him rolling her in a ball trying to squeeze the baby out of her, came from Nay Nay. Misty has never said that as far as I know.
Honestly, if you even went to a movie and SAW all of these creatures on the big screen, it would still be difficult to believe. In any conversations, Misty just bosses her mama around and then cries to her daddy. It is actually heart breaking.. the total dysfunction that totally trickles down from each of these generations. WHAT PARENT allows their 6th grader to either go to school or just literally walk the other way? WHAT?? Neither of Misty’s parents can read or write. Has anyone listened to Hank Sr. talk about how the only job he can do is drywall? NOTHING ELSE.. because he can’t read. Lisa Croslin can’t read or or write either… so the only job she can do is clean. But she has a felony on her record, so she is not even able to get a cleaning job. Misty also can’t read or write barely… she could hardly even count the pills in that car to the undercover. Where will the all go? I don’t know… but the next generation doesn’t have a snowball’s chance.. those POOR children, that poor dog.. and where or where is little Haleigh?? I do not for one minute think Misty is innocent. She tried to play like a grown up and now she is caught. She can’t even depend on the guidance of her parents.. her brothers.. her friends… no one can get her out of this mess. Her only hope is that she attends any sort of religion class in prison… she needs any sort of guidance and that will be her only chance to turn her life around. WHAT a mess….
right *cj* that’s what i thought. i think that’s kind of suspicious and creepy (though not unheard of) that she tried to fake it. usually, when women do something like that they are trying to “trap” the man. that might play into what she was feeling about not just wanting to care for “other’s children”, and also her insecurities with being ron’s g/f (as far as the other ex’s).
jmo
ohhh thanks *whylie*
Whylie,
Thank you so much for backing up your comments with actual docs. That’s what I like.
Looks like hope wants a new lawyer and a re-hearing.
Let’s see if a judge will decide in her favor and redo her deal.
Do you know if the priors were ever adjudicated one way or another?
mistys phone records and/or those of LE should help her present her defense with what she says is numerous calls.
I wonder why none of the 5 attorneys have filed a motion to dismiss by now based on entrapment? Got any idea?
ron is looking for a plea. Wonder why that is. Do they have something different on ron than on misty?
Thanks for debating this with facts, I really appreciate it. 🙂
Jaba, Hope had a retail theft which she got 16 days sentence with time served. She then had a pot charge with no further info available.
It looks like they combined the controlled substance charge and the trafficking charges together. That was the case from 2 weeks prior to the trafficking charge. Both of those cases are showing appeals filed.
The “Misty told RC she was pregnant” and all that story came from NayNay.Thank you to whoever deciphered her interview online,because,My God in Heaven,I don’t understand a word she says.It was on that internet guy’s site that goes on NG sometimes and reports on what he reads on the boards.Pffttt!!!
Jaba, I do not think that the others that are charged have an entrapment case since the UC did not keep contacting them to buy/sell drugs. I believe he went through Misty each time and then it was Misty who brought the other players into the mix, so no entrapment for them.
Shux,can’t find it but i am 99% sure i heard it,lol o well…….
when i find it and if i do i’ll post it!
Hmmm Sorry Jaba,usually when i say it i refer to news articles i assumed were fact,and what i believe to be the facts but theres a first time for everything and sometimes i am even wrongmore than not !
just can’t find it so I’ll be sure to look up the info from now on when i reply to your posts!
So again,sorry!
just can’t find it so I’ll be sure to look up the info from now on when i reply to your posts!
So again,sorry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsJYF9hjXuc.this is a interesting video,geraldo march 2,2009
Whylie,
On the hope/mom/tape issue you brought up. I think hope didn’t realize what was going to happen to her even after her mother told her. And its not so much she didn’t know, but she didn’t want to accept it. Imo anyway. A lot of criminals don’t agree with their sentences, but that’s too bad.
If hope gets out or gets her sentence reduced it surely isn’t going to bother me one way or the other. I just want to see fair results. Thes knuckleheads are criminals, and they know it, its just what law is actually broken and what a fair sentence is based on FLorida law.
Again , thanks for the constructive debate.
CJ I will look later as well. I am sure it was a visit between Hank and Misty when Misty was talking about it. Not to say that makes it true or not but if there are numerous calls from UC to Misty for a length of time before the first deal then I would think that will give them a shot at entrapment.
Wow, J @2:02 pm, then Georgia must have much more relaxed rules about school employees than either Florida or Ohio (the 2 states I have been a teacher in). Any employee for a school district, no matter what position must pass a FBI background check. I thought that was a federal law???
In Florida even vendors (such as the Pepsi delivery person, or the food delivery person) and volunteers (even parent volunteers) must pass the FBI background check.
did anyone see geraldo,s video march 2,2009 utube interesting video.man dressed in black with cs and jr.
Right,me too Whylie!!!!!!! one of those tapes!!
Jaba, I agree. I think the trafficking law was put in place for the right reasons but now it seems to be not having the results it was intended to be used for.
Criminals do need to be punished but the punishment must fit the crime. Often times it does not.
did anyone see the hank Sr. and Misty jailhouse tapes???
LadySadie said,
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MG drives a school bus in Florida not Georgia.
Its been reported as a month long investigation. I wonder if its 30 days, or 35 or 28.
A month and 8 charges means to me she was into it. Imo
thanks:)
lol Jaba..when she was a minor?
LadySadie said,in May 30th, 2010 at 6:02 pm Wow, J @2:02 pm, then Georgia must have much more relaxed rules about school employees than either Florida or Ohio (the 2 states I have been a teacher in). Any employee for a school district, no matter what position must pass a FBI background check. I thought that was a federal law???
In Florida even vendors (such as the Pepsi delivery person, or the food delivery person) and volunteers (even parent volunteers) must pass the FBI background check.
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Really????? I do think it’s a great idea, but I live in FL and volunteer at my son’s school as does 90% of the parents of his school and I have never had to supply any information to volunteer.
I’d hate to see the results of how many ppl in florida have been charged with her same offence,alot of em no doubt never served a day!
madman ive seen all those tapes..was just going back of some of geraldo in this one his brother was interviewing cs just some interesting comments from cs is all.
Misty: It will get better man. Well God has just… I read my bible all the time. I’ve got 2 bibles, I’ve got 2. I read um both all the time. And I know hes gonna answer my prayers. Look he answered that prayer for us about the car, you got your car back.
Hank: Yeah!
Misty: Hes gonna, hes gonna, everything is gonna be ok. Its just got keep on praying. And I’m telling yah. its gonna be ok. I so believe in Jesus so, I know what He said. He won’t give you more than you can handle, or you can bare. It may seem like, it may seem like its too much but Hes doing it for a reason. He put me here for a reason. That’s why I’m here, cause He put me here for a reason.
Hank: What reason?
Misty: Theres no telling what can happen out there on the streets. You know I was dealing with bad people. Could have been hurt. Look at that day I got robbed. I could have got killed that day when I got robbed. So many people out there that want to hurt me, they can’t hurt me in here.
Misty: They all got mad at me and Ronald. Always fu_king, he was rude all the time cause he was shot up in his arm and they didn’t want him to shot up. And he tried to kill hisself. Well they need to look at him a little hard too. Why was he trying to kill hisself? Why would, you know. He did nothing but use me. But nobody looks, hes sweet and innocent. He don’t do nothing wrong. Why would’nt he answer the phone?
Hank: Yeah, and theres tales that said people knows. theres tales that they said that Ronald snuck out of there, out of the werk that night.
Misty: Alright when I called him that night, how come he didn’t answer the phone? I called and called and he didn’t answer the phone and as soon as I opened the door hes there. And he talks like, he said that he was a drug dealer and all this stuff back in the day. He talks about all this chit Why did that black guy tell, say that uh, them people had her and he was gonna go back and get her. But if he told, if Ronald told then he was coming to kill him. Theres all this chit that they don’t even look at, they just want to look at me. And I’m tired of it. I’m gonna start sticking up for myself. I’m not letting people run me down no more, I’m not. I know I didn’t have nothing to do with anything and God knows. So they all can kiss my butt.
Hank: I know that you didn’t do nothing. I just dont know if you know something.
Misty: I don’t know, I’m telling yah, if I knew I would…
Hank: I believ…
Misty: Its just, I don’t know. You wanna, like in my mind its just like you know, people keep saying this person, this person, so in your mind you like hey its that person. So you actually start to believe it. Like the Joe thing, I wanna believe that because that is what I keep hearing and just makes like sense. Like that’s what happened, you know. I don’t know for a hundred percent that that was him, I don’t know.
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This stuff makes ya feel bad too,lol
he answered her prayers about his car…..pitiful,she’s a kid in a grownups body!
Misty: I’m young, eighteen year old girl, Dad I’m not a trouble maker. I’ve never been in trouble before. I’ve never been jail. Never been ?? in jail. I’m stressed out and all these cops wanna keep trying, like every time I say something, even before this I told them everything I know, but then still I am a liar, I’m still not telling the, theres more to it. You’re ninety nine percent, half way there but not a hundred percent. All the pieces aren’t there. That’s what they keep saying and I don’t understand. I’ve told you everything, so leave me alone. Theres nothing else I can tell yah. Why would I be volunteering for all this stuff, volunteering, going against my lawyer. Everything he said I went against.
as far as the plea deals go…lawyers don’t use them as “guilty/not guilty”. so it doesn’t mean that just because they may accept a plea, that ron isn’t guilty of the same thing as everyone else, in theory. pleas deals are bargaining chips…its more like “to what degree of guilt”.
Misty: Oh I’m not doing nothing, I’m saying before this, when I was home and stuff , you know. All them tests and stuff. Well the reason I did them test is because what Tim Miller said that he was going to stop looking for her if I didn’t. And then Ronald’s family put a lot of pressure on me. Ronald put a lot of pressure on me. Everybody just pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure. Poor me, I didn’t know what to do. I loved um, but he used me now I see. Everything that people say he was, if he was like everything that Crystal says I do believe Crystal everything she said about Ronald and Amber. I believe everything both of them said.
Hank: I guess they got Crystal in rehab or something now. That’s what I heard through the grapevine.
Misty: That’s good. Maybe she will go to rehab and get out and do the right thing with her son. I feel bad for her too, you know
Hank: That’s what I heard.
Misty: Ronald is, I don’t know.
Hank: Ronald is in love with his drugs and himself.
Misty: Ah, it was like 1:30. Yeah it was like 1:30. I didn’t know I had court. I was out for lunch and after lunch they said Misty are you ready and I said ready for what? She said for court and I said for real. She said yeah, and I was like yeah, hold on. And I was riding in the van, they had me in the van. The boys were in the back and I was in the front and theres that one boy in there talking. He was like yeah, Misty you’re doing good, don’t let them bring you down. You’re doing real good, just hang on. Hes from Putnam County, so he knows John Baaar-en
Hank: Whose that?
Misty: Who you think John Barten is?
Hank: I don’t know.
Misty: Ah, John Barten is the boy in that trailer with the, that has Timmy’s dog.
Hank: Oh yeah, snitch!
Misty: Yeah!
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Timmy has a dog too? lol shesh
somebodys keeping everybodys dog,lol
Hank: I believ…
Misty: Its just, I don’t know. You wanna, like in my mind its just like you know, people keep saying this person, this person, so in your mind you like hey its that person. So you actually start to believe it. Like the Joe thing,
I wanna believe that because that is what I keep hearing and just makes like sense. Like that’s what happened, you know. I don’t know for a hundred percent that that was him, I don’t know.<———–
This is the statement that made me believe Tommy dressed in black with a mask to rob her that night cuiz he couldn’t find drugs and he needed em for work the next day!
Misty: Ah, John Barten is the boy in that trailer with the, that has Timmy’s dog.
Hank: Oh yeah, snitch!
Misty: Yeah!
trailer with her?
for all of you who think Misty is innocent.. then WHY did she fail 4 lie detector tests?
one, maybe.. but 4??
Cj63,
No need to be sorry. You are super cool in my book whewther we agree or not on any of this we comment on.
If you find it, thanks for the effort. 🙂
I know you wouldn’t say it unless you believed it.
I was wrong once…once. 🙂 :). 🙂
idk…i think misty coming out with a statement reversing her original one implicating JO as being there, and the explanation she’s giving for saying it in the first place, makes it look even less credible. i think if she really wants people to believe her, not only does she have to tell the truth (obviously), but she needs to quit putting things out there like this long, convoluted explanation about other people’s power of suggestion over her own thoughts.
jmo
Perhaps I misunderstood, however didn’t Tommy in his visit with dad, tell him about his dog killing the smaller dog of the person watching Tommy’s dog while Lindsy & the kids were in MA? I may have heard it incorrectly, but I really thought that is what Tommy said, as he was laughing it up with his dad about telling his friend to keep his (Tommy’s) dog away from the little dog?? I know that reads really strange, my question is didn’t Tommy’s dog kill the caretaker’s smaller dog while dogsitting when Lindsy was in MA?
Ilove,imo because she was holding info to protect somebody,the ld guy himself even said,i can see you’re holding back when i asked you a question???
nobody that i ever heard said she failed it miserably!
Ty Jaba……….no i wouldn’t,lol but i have made many errors but i know i heard her say it???
As far as Misty failing 4 ldt’s, I think there is a good reason why LDTs are not admisable in court.. and quite frankly other than the Tim Miller test I have not read or seen any results of her other tests stating specifically the questions asked and which questions she failed… Perhaps I have missed the other report results?? Please share with me, I would really appreciate the info. Thank you very much!!
hmmm,never seen this before but its got M2’S nic on it so I am sure its correct!
m2c♥ said,
in March 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am
For your Information – Tim told the supposed results of the “tests” he had done. But I don’t think PCSO ever commented one way or the other about any tests they gave anyone (much earlier in the investigation). However, M and C and maybe R did comment on their tests (I belive) expressing what they thought their results were (I think).
In AH’s latest article, in one place he calls it an “official police polygraph” and in another states it was administered after hours (at 5:30) “by private polygraph examiner Patty Knight, who works a day job in community policing with the Duval County Sheriff’s Department,”
Then AH says when Knight “finished her testing—and delivered the news. Not only had Misty Croslin flunked, she’d flunked “miserably,” sources tell me she announced.”
So what “sources”, Art? Did Knight blab to someone or did the the PCSO officers, Cone and Jolicoeur blab? Or maybe the janitor cleaning up the hall? (if one was there – I made that up I admit) What “sources” exactly, Art?
And then AH says not only did M fail but by gosh she HURT LE!
AH, says, “her poor performance crushed hard-working investigators like Putnam County Sheriff Detective Peggy Cone and top FDLE agent, Jason Jolicoeur.”
Geesh! She “crushed” LE! What a powerful teenager she is, huh? Let’s get the public mad enough at M to want to pull out her fingernails or maybe lynch her. Is that their brilliant strategy?
PCSO you better plug those leaks or make a point to squash the lies from now on. This only lowers my opinion of you
in my opinion, yes, misty knows more then she is telling, whatever her reasons. however, there is a reason LDT are NOT admissable in court…and that is that they are not reliable, not 100% accurate.
I don’t recall LE ever releasing the results of Misty’s LDTs so we have no way of really knowing how she did on those until the Sunshine Laws kick in.
TM said she failed miserably. I think her passing the question on the VA test, did you have anything to do with Haleigh going missing, is very important. I wish I could see the results of all of her answers on that VA test.
jaba said,in May 30th, 2010 at 6:46 pm Cj63,
No need to be sorry. You are super cool in my book whewther we agree or not on any of this we comment on.
If you find it, thanks for the effort.
I know you wouldn’t say it unless you believed it.
I was wrong once…once. :).
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welllllll plenty then but………
lol
During Ronald Cummings interview on September 7, 2009 with Nancy Grace, the father of missing 6 year old, Haleigh Cummings, answered questions regarding the lie detector tests that both he and Misty Croslin-Cummings took. Nancy asked if both he and Misty took a polygraph test, he said they had. He told Nancy that he passed his with flying colors and that Misty passed hers as well. However, Misty Croslin failed several polygraph tests administered by Texas EquuSearch as well as a voice stress test.
Misty Croslin also underwent hypnosis with an expert forensic hypnotist, John Gaspar. John Gaspar said about Misty Croslin, when describing the hypnosis session, “It seemed a little more rehearsed than I’ve ever seen in my experience as a forensic hypnotist.” After the session, investigators working the Haleigh Cummings case told Gaspar that Misty revealed several details that weren’t previously known. Gaspar did determine, however, that whatever had happened to Haleigh Cummings, Misty truly was sorry she was gone. The hypnosis sessions were paid for by Texas EquuSearch.
When Nancy Grace asked Ronald Cummings why he volunteered to take the polygraph, he answered, “I don`t have anything to hide. I just want my daughter back. Anything that`s going to help them eliminate more people is the best thing.”
Is it possible that Ron Cummings’ attitude of having nothing to hide and volunteering for tests is the reason why Misty Croslin-Cummings is also volunteering for tests; volunteering for tests that she fails? Ronald Cummings stated to Nancy Grace that he had nothing to hid and willingly took the test. Misty Croslin told Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch that she wanted to clear her name, but he said she failed the test miserably. Misty Croslin-Cummings was asked four questions on August 19, 2009. Here are the questions and Misty’s results:
Question: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh’s disappearance?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know what happened to Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 99% deception
Question: Do you know where Haleigh is now?
Answer: No
Result: 95% Deception
Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
Answer: No
Result: 42% deception
According to Tim Miller, Misty Croslin cried after hearing that she failed the test and then pleaded to take the voice analysis and undergo hypnosis, which she ultimately failed. When the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office got word that Misty had volunteered for these tests, they subpoenaed the results.
Major Gary Bowling of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department stated that he wasn’t surprised by the results. He said, “I agree with the point that was made by Tim Miller’s investigator, which is that Misty’s consistency is inconsistency.”
yes *whylie*!! i agree with you. i think LE should give that question on the VA the same amount of weight that they give to the LDT results.
like i said above, LDT are not 100% accurate…but if they ARE taking them into consideration, it only seems just that they take the VA questions into consideration as well…
jmo
rons were never released just like his work records for that night!
According to Tim Miller, Misty Croslin cried after hearing that she failed the test and then pleaded to take the voice analysis and undergo hypnosis, which she ultimately failed. When the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office got word that Misty had volunteered for these tests, they subpoenaed the results.
Major Gary Bowling of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department stated that he wasn’t surprised by the results. He said, “I agree with the point that was made by Tim Miller’s investigator, which is that Misty’s consistency is inconsistency.”
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and from the video i saw Karen Simmer was one of the eye witnesses of a sighting who called Bolling and gave him hello b/c he said they followed all the sightings and leads but did not and she stated he was very irate with her for calling about it!
I think Misty may know more than what she has told, or has told so many different versions she hasn’t a clue, just as I think Ron knows a whole lot more than he has told. I guess it is just my opinion of Misty being a very young drug addicted child with huge abandonment issues, as well as her intellectual level being years younger than her current age, which in and of itself, is extremely young. I honesty haven’t a clue, but IMVHO Misty flunking 5 or 4 or 3 or 6 or whatever the latest number of LDTs quoted by people, when other than IMHO the only stated results were from Tim Miller whom actually saw the results of ONE test, blame Misty based on LDT’s only, what does anyone really know of her test results?? And how reliable are those tests???
and oh man she did give him hello?
I agree jan,in another she said le was telling her she gave 90% but was missing 10% ,lol
hows that failing?
When Tommy played his “get out of jail free card”, saying he went to the MH and banged on the door, why was he not given a LDT then. I am sure LE could have persuaded him to take one in exchange for a lower bond.
WinterRose said,in May 29th, 2010 at 6:25 pm ilovetheshowmadmen said,in May 29th, 2010 at 11:41 am I’ve had Lindsay’s back UNTIL I heard how hateful she is towards the dog…. that being said.. she is getting what she deserves. Now someone needs to let her out to pee and then put her back in her cage..
Someone that is so vindictive towards animals will only treat children the same way…..
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You are ridiculous!!
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ilovetheshowmadmen
Don’t listen to that bs,you are not ridiculous.If a person is abusive to an innocent animal,it shows what kind of person they are.People treat animals and children the same.If a person abuses an animal,because they have no heart or patience,they’ll treat kids the same way.If animals are well cared for and spoiled,that’s how children are treated.
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Yes, WinterRose, and normally I would agree 100%, but if this is a PIT BULL we are talking about, I would give Lindsay a pass on this one.
right Whylie,I have no idea on this earth??
Hi Aletha.. then Lindsey has NO BUSINESS having that dog.. and it should not be around children…. did you see her frame of mind on those tapes? She admitted she hated the dog..and said it in front of Austin…
hopefully someone in her neighborhood saw this and reports her to authorities.. that dog would be better anywhere else but in her house..
No animal deserves to be abused or neglected regardless of what breed it is.
exactly,no excuse for mistreating a dog,her husbands worse than the dog!!!!!!!!
anybody that is capable of that is beyond low,
remember Jeffrey Dahmer?
she probably has them abusing it by now too!
I think part of Lindseys problem with the dog is she is a wuss when it comes to Tommy. She is keeping the dog for him. She also may not want to give it to a shelter where it will be put down. I bet she also feels protected by having that dog too. She may be afraid to let it out of the cage because of the children and outside the barking is a nuisance, per police reports. So it is a no win situation. I think we’ve all said we hate something or someone at sometime, doesn’t mean we would do them harm. She may just have been mouthing off some anger indirectly to Tommy.
Did anyone see my question above, regarding if this animal killed a smaller dog of a man that was pet sitting for LS while she was in MA?
CathyJo63 said,in May 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm toughcookie said,in May 29th, 2010 at 7:35 pm i understand that ng is proud of her children…all of us mothers are…however, i’ve posted here before that i think she’s really doing them a disservice, as far as their safety goes, by splashing their pics all over tv. many celebrities go to great lengths to be sure their children aren’t filmed, or photographed, and with good reason ! seems in this day and age, one can’t be too careful…there are nutjobs all over the place, and there are as many ng detractors as there are supporters, imo. would hate to think she may be putting them in jeopardy
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Did you ever see the tape of where she accused Crystal sheffield of “whoring and “exploiting ” JR on tv!
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I didn’t see that one but I’m not surprised. But I saw everything I needed to know about NG on that one episode I think it was late Jan or early Feb–she was wearing a turquoise outfit.
I’d like to see an FBI profile on her. I hope for those twins’ sake they are both milquetoast and non-assertive and honestly think she is wonderful. Looks like she’s toned down a lot recently, probably because of her looming legal issue. (This as all just my opinion, of course.)
You are a good egg, Cathy Jo. But on balance I think you are very likely wrong about MG. (Surprise.)
IMO
Jnet, I don’t know it Tommy’s dog killed another dog or not, sorry.
for a family that has NO money or means of income, honestly I would hope that the dog could be released into a no kill shelter. No doubt this is more stress for her. BUT, that dog didn’t ask to be taken into that home and then punished by being in a cage all day…
NO ONE an protect a child or an animal except an adult. This particular woman said she hated this dog….
I truly hope someone in her neighborhood calls in this concern…
And the neighborhood mob rolls on.
Thanks “whylie” I thought I heard it in one of the many tapes that were recently released, I have not heard anyone else mention it, so I must have heard incorrectly…. when I have a few hours I will go back and listen again. It breaks my heart to see a bird in a cage or an animal penned, however it sounded like there were some real issues with Tommy’s dog, and one that would scare the heck out of me being around small children. Please know all of this family gives me the same fear, I don’t think it is only Tommy’s dog that needs to be removed for protection.
JustOne @ 6:11 – I guess it could just be St Johns County that requires the same check for volunteers as required for vendors, etc. in the Jessica Lundsford act:
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Section 1012.465, Florida Statues, now states:
Noninstructional school district employees or contractual personnel who are permitted access on school grounds when students are present, who have direct contact with students or who have access to or control of school funds must meet Level 2 screening requirements as described in s. 1012.32, FS. Contractual personnel shall include any vendor, individual, or entity under contract with the school board.
Districts are advised that they have the discretion to establish standards applicable to volunteers, and must search volunteers against the sexual offender/predator database. See s. 943.04351, F.S.
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So I guess St Johns County is a little more protective of its students than other Florida school districts.
Jnet, Tommy may very well have said that about his dog. I have a hard time listening to his whiny butt voice so I could have missed it.
I’m sorry but some dogs like some men are just plain scary. Not all dogs are sweet and cuddly. My sister got a dog from a shelter once who bit her son on the back of his neck when he was watching T.V. He was about 7 than. She kept the rascal for a little longer till one day her son took him for a walk and it dragged him down the block. Needless to say back to the shelter it went. I really don’t think Lindsey would hurt this dog because he might just bite her tanned leg off. JMO
LadySadie, Sad isn’t it?
“WhyLie” ahh come on… you don’t want to hear the “I am so tired I can’t get up and shave” or “I love you….. bro man sissy ect” and right up there with the “that’s bs man, it is just bs” (yes I did leave out the f words!) I am pretty sure Tommy was yucking it up on a tape with his dad about his dog killing the dog sitter’s smaller dog (while Lindsy was in MA)…. I found the conversation so bizarre, as I do most… but I may be wrong I will try to find it.
The way they treat pets, and more so the children, truly baffles my mind.
maryd..lol….. on the tanned leg.. let’s not forget those short shorts, too..lolol
*maryd* ~ i agree with you that for the most part, i’m sure lindsy was just “mouthing off” with regards to the dog.
i posted yesterday about this, and with some psychological background, i truly believe that the dog was only a victim of her lashing out at tommy (as were others in that conversation: his family, his sister, etc). she has alot of pent-up frustration and probably resentment. she is furious with tommy, and she can only vent n a round-about sort of way via the jail phone.
seems to me “i hate the dog” = i hate tommy. since its his dog, it is representative of him…and at that moment, he represents everything wrong.
i understand everyone’s concern here…i just don’t see her as abusing an animal, anymore then i can imagine her beating those kids. of course, i don’t know her…this is only my gut feeling based on things i’ve seen.
jmo
Cathyjo63
Maybe Hank Sr didn’t file a report against Ron because he couldn’t read or write!
What’s so troubling about this is that we know they asked more than one question. We know what one question was – but what about the others.
I think one of the questions had to do about incest. Why else would Lindsy say something so foul? That’s a low blow if there is no foundation to say it in the first place.
Like I said, it’s troubling.
WhyLie, it sure is! It just blows my mind that MG could possibly work for any school district with her record! Shoot we have had people that have worked for St Johns County Schools for 20 years get 1 DUI and bye bye job!
does florida not have a law with regards to viscious dogs?
seems to me, if tommy’s dog killed another dog, it would be required to be put down. at least, i know that’s how it is where i live.
just curious.
Abuse does not have to be physical. Lindsy left her children alone time and again with a drug addict. She let that same drug addict drive her children to school even though he was so messed up he passed out before he could drive home, with pills laying all over the van seat. She left her children with people who were pulling knives on each other, fist fights, police searching the home, drug addicts using their home for a flop house. I believe that Lindsy has allowed her children to be abused in that environment.
I totally believe that Lindsy is not only capable of abusing that dog but I believe she is abusing him by keeping him locked up in a cage day in and day out.
toughcookie said, in May 30th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
*maryd* ~ i agree with you that for the most part, i’m sure lindsy was just “mouthing off” with regards to the dog.
i posted yesterday about this, and with some psychological background, i truly believe that the dog was only a victim of her lashing out at tommy (as were others in that conversation: his family, his sister, etc). she has alot of pent-up frustration and probably resentment. she is furious with tommy, and she can only vent n a round-about sort of way via the jail phone.
seems to me “i hate the dog” = i hate tommy. since its his dog, it is representative of him…and at that moment, he represents everything wrong.
i understand everyone’s concern here…i just don’t see her as abusing an animal, anymore then i can imagine her beating those kids. of course, i don’t know her…this is only my gut feeling based on things i’ve seen.
jmo
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I agree with your agreeing Tough! lol
And when you think about it they are both caged animals at this time. One thing we’re not sure of too is if their barks are louder than their bites.
Cage a pit bull and show him no affection.
The girl has no God given common sense.
“toughcookie” I am sorry, I have to disagree…. and it appears our education is in the same field. I truly find emotional and psychological abuse as damaging and in some cases more so than physical abuse. What I saw/heard on the last tape of Lindsy’s words/actions in front of her son, gave me chills. All I witnessed was the same dysfunctional chaos repeating itself for one more generation. Just based on the main blog by Mr. Barrett, his huge quote of her words….my gosh is Austin NOT a Croslin… and not wanting to repeat myself, I think that little boy’s feeling of guilt and confusion are beyond overwhelming to a 5/6yr old child to effectively process. IMVHO
Amen Random!
WhyLie said, in May 30th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Abuse does not have to be physical. Lindsy left her children alone time and again with a drug addict. She let that same drug addict drive her children to school even though he was so messed up he passed out before he could drive home, with pills laying all over the van seat. She left her children with people who were pulling knives on each other, fist fights, police searching the home, drug addicts using their home for a flop house. I believe that Lindsy has allowed her children to be abused in that environment.
I totally believe that Lindsy is not only capable of abusing that dog but I believe she is abusing him by keeping him locked up in a cage day in and day out.
Can’t argue with the first paragraph. The second makes me think of how much he does symbolize Tommy to her. She has him in jail too.
It is time for Lindsy to start doing right by her children and by the dog. Put her children first before Tommy and rehome the dog.
sorry forgot to separate our comments WhyLie.
It’s ok maryd.
regarding the couple comments directed at me…
did anybody responding read yesterday’s comments whatsoever ? all of this subject matter was gone over then, with many of the same comments/thoughts/feelings.
i think i may have been misunderstood (above). i said, i couldn’t imagine lindsy “beating” those kids…i did NOT say they aren’t obviously suffering from the abuse in their home. i discussed this in detail yesterday, and don’t want to rehash the whole thing…however, i agree that her bringing austin was completely inappropriate. i have also stated that from my working as a women & children’s Domestic Violence Advocate for the last 12 years, i can definitely see the signs that lindsy is in an abusive relationship with tommy.
being in her shoes before, i hold out hope for her that his incarceration will give her the chance to break away. hopefully she & the kids can get some counseling and some support so that she will have the tools to make better choices in the future.
imo
I am not sure what the laws are in Florida for “child protection services”….. I can’t imagine Ron Jr not being removed until Ron Sr is in the big house for drug dealing. I can’t imagine any agency listening to the hours of tape of what Austin has been subjected to during his mommy/daddy jail house visits and NOT intervene. I am appalled of what these children live with and is considered an “acceptable” environment……. So I guess I am not too shocked by how they treat their pets/animals with no attention by the Humane Society.
If you have a problem about the dog , I suggest you contact the Putnam County Animal Control and report possible abuse.
http://pcso.us/animal-control
Misty was already in a domestic abuse cycle when she dated and took off to New Jersey with the Rob guy Tommy and Lindsy talk about. She then went on to get involved with Ron. Most women who get abused follow a cycle of picking the wrong men. Not all of these women are weak and docile, some abusers actually like women who are harder to control. Research it guys.
The guy wants to feel powerful but if he has a willing docile partner it deminishes his power.
Just like guys who like the chase but once he catches the girl he loses interest. jmo bbl
In my opinion Lindsy and the kids both need counciling. She even said she has been waiting 2 years for things to get better. Why? Who waits 2 years? Someone who is in deep denial. She blamed it on the drugs.jmo
I’ve been thinking of a new direction
But I have to say
I’ve been thinking about my own protection
It scares me to feel that way
What’s love got to do with it
What’s love but a sweet old fashioned notion
What’s love got to do with it
Who needs a heart when a heart can be broken
Tina Turners Whats love got to do with it. Says it all. just my opinion
Tlk at ya all tommorow
What do you say to a girl with 2 black eyes?
Nothing. you already told her twice.
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What do you call a girl with 1 black eye?
A fast learner. 😈
just kidding people 🙂
and my posts get deleted…j/k OJ
This seems to scream at me as sooooooo obvious, does anyone else agree. I believe the reason Lindsay is so livid at Tommy is because she alibi-ed him. This is how he made her “look stupid”. I think she is hot under the collar that he didnt just stick to the plan, to the original story, thereby prioritizing Lindsey and their family. Instead Tommy makes her look like a liar and a fool by placing himself at the crime scene. Why? Probably to help little sis. He knows she is better off if everyone believes she did leave the kids alone and sneak out to party.. Better that than implicated in murder. any thoughts anyone?
May I suggest you get in contact with the ex-bride’s attorney and suggest a complete mental evaluation on his client. Her attorney certainly can use the evaluation in her defense in the drug case, He can say all the prior abuse made her go out and traffic drugs in a under cover sting. All the prior abuse made her drop out of school and with her level education , didn’t realize she was doing anything wrong in trafficking drugs. She can barely read and can claim ignorance of the law since she can’t comprehend the law. I think any reasonable judge will accept that defense and give her a break and dismiss the charges.
Alexandria Loring said,in May 30th, 2010 at 7:57 pm Cathyjo63
Maybe Hank Sr didn’t file a report against Ron because he couldn’t read or write!
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mrsm said,in May 30th, 2010 at 9:26 pm This seems to scream at me as sooooooo obvious, does anyone else agree. I believe the reason Lindsay is so livid at Tommy is because she alibi-ed him. This is how he made her “look stupid”. I think she is hot under the collar that he didnt just stick to the plan, to the original story, thereby prioritizing Lindsey and their family. Instead Tommy makes her look like a liar and a fool by placing himself at the crime scene. Why? Probably to help little sis. He knows she is better off if everyone believes she did leave the kids alone and sneak out to party.. Better that than implicated in murder. any thoughts anyone?
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I thought that too!!
sure..heres my thought..why’d lyndsy during the call to grannie hollar ask tommy if it was him?
Common sense says she doesn’t know where he was that night and she is his alibi.
OJ’s glove said,in May 30th, 2010 at 9:06 pm What do you call a girl with 1 black eye?
A fast learner.
just kidding people
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The one that got drunk and doesn’t remember how she got it?
Interesting point mrsm
Why would lindsey be embarrassed if Tommy failed his LDT? Because she stood by him? She was like “you can’t even tell the truth about that”, (maybe not exact words). Regarding the did you knock on the door that night. Supposedly he told LE he knocked on her door and she didn’t answer. Recently it was said he retracted that comment saying he was just pressured by LE to saying it. Was that after the LDT? Did he have to now say that because he showed deception in being there. And why does Lindsey take it to the next level with the incestuous comment?
Guess I have more questions than answers mrsm.
I agree OJ. I was shocked when Lindsy had to ask Tommy if it was him. If she knew where he was all night, if she trusted him not to harm a child, then why the need to ask him that question.
OJ’s glove said,in May 30th, 2010 at 8:38 pm CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 5:13 pm Office, Satsuma, Hope Sykes | by John H. Gohde
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thanks for the article cathy..hadn’t read that before, lots of good info
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YVW!
The facts, evidence and subtle clues… Something that stands out in a previous post is the bushes. Maybe certain actions would have been too risky in this case. The water, the dumpster, the woods, the vehicles…Seems like alot of evidence made alot of travels on the night in question. Remember, to the persons responsible for this, it is a game. The more confusion is created the better for them. But sadly not for Haleigh and Junior. It’s in the most subtle clues in the first months of this case that Will solve it. This includes words, body language, habits, desires, trickery… Sometimes watching the same interview several times reveals something new every time. People stumble or hide when they panic.
We know this to be facts: Haleigh is now six years old, she loves her brother, her bike, her barbies, her friends and everything in a nice shade of purple. She is beautiful and innocent in every way. Haleigh, our prayers are coming to you and your family from across the World, you Will be found.
I think Misty dropped out of school when she did because she had no family support or support from society. What little girl could be sexually assaulted in the manner Misty was by a schoolmate and receive no treatment or therapy and still continue to go to school?
glad to hear you agree with me cathyjo, i know you are the foremost expert around here
maryd. said,in May 30th, 2010 at 8:09 pm WhyLie said, in May 30th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Abuse does not have to be physical. Lindsy left her children alone time and again with a drug addict. She let that same drug addict drive her children to school even though he was so messed up he passed out before he could drive home, with pills laying all over the van seat. She left her children with people who were pulling knives on each other, fist fights, police searching the home, drug addicts using their home for a flop house. I believe that Lindsy has allowed her children to be abused in that environment.
I totally believe that Lindsy is not only capable of abusing that dog but I believe she is abusing him by keeping him locked up in a cage day in and day out.
Can’t argue with the first paragraph. The second makes me think of how much he does symbolize Tommy to her. She has him in jail too.
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Tommy and his dog in cages?
MrsM,HUH? Me?? somebody lied to ya!!!!!!!!! lol
I agree Whylie,she had nobody to make her or care to make her go!
it is mean though….really,how can ya be mean to a dog even if it belongs to somebody you hate? cruel!!
Tommy kept saying to Lindsey about the test “it doesn’t matter anyway”, it wasn’t gonna help me anyway. Which is a weird comment. It wasn’t gonna help him with the drug charges I think he meant. So if he made up the knocking on her door that night and the test showed it was deceptive he doesn’t care cause it won’t help his drug charges.
Where am I going with this? Don’t know but it doesn’t matter anyway.
omg can someone please just tell me what happened? It’s making me crazy! I cant figure it out. I can read the people involved, know who to trust and who not to….but the whole truth? Lord i wish LE would hurry up!
Mary,lol i have a feeling he uses that for everything!
If he took a box of ex-lax imo he’d say ah Bullshit,It wasn’t going to help anyway!
but *I love you*
LOL CathyJ!
seriously tho,i think he was saying that to Lindsey because she was accusing him of not trying to help his stupid self,rofl
I think thats his answer to everything in life,I sweat it,that man ain’t got good mind!
swear it’
he wants out of jail but keeps lying,idiot!!!!!!!!!!!
lye soap in the making!!!
mrsm said, in May 30th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
omg can someone please just tell me what happened? It’s making me crazy! I cant figure it out. I can read the people involved, know who to trust and who not to….but the whole truth? Lord i wish LE would hurry up!
We can tell you, but we can’t prove it!!
maryd. said,in May 30th, 2010 at 9:45 pm Tommy kept saying to Lindsey about the test “it doesn’t matter anyway”, it wasn’t gonna help me anyway. Which is a weird comment. It wasn’t gonna help him with the drug charges I think he meant. So if he made up the knocking on her door that night and the test showed it was deceptive he doesn’t care cause it won’t help his drug charges.
Where am I going with this? Don’t know but it doesn’t matter anyway.
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roflmao! I just read the last sentence,lmbo
i don’t know myself what happened,its why i’ve only got 3 twigs of hair left now!
and some bald guys trying to take it!
RC= drug ealer drug addict control freak dominating boyfriend (the interveiws of him and MC together are so telling….she is but a puppet, and nowhere near as stoned as he is btw
MC= little girl caught up in a nightmare of her own making. did not hurt haleigh directly, or at least purposely, scared to death of Ron, and at one time, of losing Ron. ( has no problem with throwing those thaat have hurt her in the past under the bus as she feels they have it coming ie: JO, and possible TC too)
TC= right in the middle of it all, but maybe not as much of a primary player as it appears, may just be lying and giving LE info to get a better deal on drug charges etc. although my theory on this changed a bit because he kept saying “they told me this isnt going to help me any….it isnt going to help me any…this was his defense against Lindseys anger???????
JO= dont trust him at all, but believe he could have not a blessed thing to do with haleighs disappearance. Just a random creep and convienient scapegoat.
theories:
i do not buy the “joe did it and we were afraid of him story” one teeny little bit
Od’ed= possible…more plausible that she was fed some oxi in her applesauce to get her to sleep….especially if Misty was planning on leaving the kids alone to dip out the backdoor and meet someone for a little drugs and sex….left the backdoor propped open so she could run in if ron came home early….
lordy, i just dont know
I coulda paid my child support but then i got high,
I coulda paid my rent today but then i got high,
I coulda paid my bills today but then i got high,
I coulda sent my kids to school but then i got high,
I coulda walked your dog today but then i got high
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But then i got high,then i got high,then i got highhhhhhh
all together now,lol
Ok, another really weird thing about Tommy is his laxidasical attitude (my spell check isn’t working) but he acts like “no problem”. Just another day in the neighborhood! Jail doesn’t bother him, Lindsey doesn’t bother him, nothing really bothers him. Just a nuisance waking up for the visit. Weird!!
If I understand this correctly the LDT was set up by his lawyer, correct? I still can’t figure out why they were so focused on questioning him about him going to the MH and banging on the door.
I sure would like to know what all the questions were they asked him.
Did Ron call you.
Did Ron ask you to go check on Misty.
Did you go to the MH after Ron called you.
Did you bang on the doors and windows.
I think he would pass on questions 1 and 3 but fail questions 2 and 4
Mrsm,I agree with everything u said cept,The last,I don’t think she od’ed……don’t ask me why cuz i can’t tell ya!
exactly Mary,the mall’s open but aint nobody shoppin’
so what is your theory mary d?
it’s a mystery to me WhyLie!
i think the reason they asked only that question of tommy is because it was the important one. they needed to know if he was there…either because they believe he was there, and was involved, or because they believe misty was not there!
in other words Mary,he couldn’t pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel,that boy is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out there!
Thats his brain on drugs and after shock!
one thing i don’t understand about the fact that misty was “allowed” to drop out of school in the 6th grade: did she somehow slip through the cracks because they were moving around at the time ? that’s the only thing i can think of, unless perhaps there were no laws in force wherever she lived to keep her in school ?
i know that here, the law is very strict. nowadays its the parents who pay the price if they aren’t responsible enough to keep their child in school. here, when a student is repeatedly absent, or “truant”, the parent themselves will go to jail!!! sad that it has to go that far, but it certainly provides “incentive”…
imo
howd yall know what he was asked?????????
Again, does anyone have the questions from Tommy’s LDT, or the comments are based on his conversation with Lindsy? I must be missing something in the tapes or somewhere, because I can’t find actual questions and answers, other than those surmised listing to the TC and LC tapes.
I really think the ex-bride’s attorney should just go up to the judge and blame everyone around her for her choices in life. With the prior abuse and level of education , she shouldn’t have to take any personal responsiblities for her unlawful activities. It’s been everyone around her from her own family , ex- boyfriend , and ex-husband that is to be blamed for her lot in life. If you punish her with prison , everyone around her should also be punished. I really think that would work for the ex-bride as a defense. Just my honest opinion.
All i know is this Tough!
Misty Cummings
Cummings and the two children were living together when he met Croslin in 2008.
Sykes’ first impression of the petite teen came from the children.
“The kids adored her and she seemed to adore them back,” Sykes said. “I mean they’d cry to go back to her.”
Sykes said she saw another side of her grandson’s girlfriend in the months after Haleigh vanished, when Cummings, Croslin and Ronald Jr. moved in with her.
“You can’t threaten her or do anything to her emotionally or mentally that will affect her,” Sykes said. “She doesn’t have the ability.”
Sykes said even repeated interrogations by investigators had little impact.
“When the sheriff’s department was threatening her and doing all their doings and stuff, it didn’t faze her,” she said.
Sykes said Croslin’s childhood may have dulled her emotionally.
“She basically was here, there and yonder,” Sykes said. “I don’t reckon she knew from one day to the next where she was going to be.”
Croslin was born in Michigan, but the family of five moved to where her father, Hank Croslin Sr., could find drywall work, her parents said. They spent time in Tennessee, her mother’s home state, and Colorado before moving to Florida.
When their daughter was in the sixth grade, they were living in Flagler County.
“I’d send her to the bus stop,” her mother, Lisa Croslin, said. “She’d never get on the bus. If it was a day she wanted to go, she’d go. If it was a day she didn’t want to go, she would hide.”
“She can’t read,” her father said. “She was behind in class just like all of us.”
Reading disabilities run in the family, he said.
“I can’t read at all,” he said.
At about 15, Misty bought a bus ticket under a false name and moved to New Jersey with a boyfriend. After several months and with the help of a social worker, she was found and brought home.
About that time, the Croslins moved to Putnam.
Her father said she began hanging out with Kristina “Nay Nay” Prevatt and Amber Brooks, who is the mother of Cummings’ other son.
Both Prevatt and Brooks have drug arrest histories. The weekend before Haleigh disappeared, Misty was with Prevatt. “That’s where all the trouble started, hanging around Nay Nay and Amber,” her father said.
He said he couldn’t convince her to distance herself from the new crowd. Misty was more trouble than the Croslins’ two sons, he said.
“She was the wildest one,” he said. “She was.”
On Feb. 9, the night after Croslin returned to Cummings’ mobile home from the weekend of partying, Sykes dropped by. She said she was upset that Croslin had gone off and left her grandson without anyone to watch over the two kids.
“I was mad because Ronald let her come back,” she said. “But it’s his house. There wasn’t nothing I could do about it other than be mad.”
By the next morning, Haleigh was gone.
dana.treen@jacksonville.com, (904) 359-4091
In an earlier version, it was stated that Cummings repeatedly called Misty Croslin’s brother the night Haleigh disappeared. Instead, he called Misty Croslin’s phone several times and her brother once.
mrsm
My theory? Theories is more appropriate. So far:
1. Ron came home caught “male” with Misty. Took out his gun, guy took off in his car, Haleigh went out and caught in the crossfire.
2. Stranger abduction! Misty went to sleep, she last saw Jr. leaving the room. He turned on the light. Sister followed him. He went back to bed. Haleigh didn’t. Stranger came in and took Haleigh.
3. Haleigh wouldn’t go to sleep. Misty took her out for a walk maybe to Tommys house. The dog got a hold of her. Misty’s pants were supposedly found in the garbage by the MH (her size anyway) per Cobra. They had a tare by the but and blood was on them. That’s when Misty tried to stop the dog and she got attacked too.
Sorry, I have to think of the others.
I don’t have the questions TC was asked, I was just pondering what they might have been.
oh,ok ty,thought i missed it! lol
I hope this isn’t a duplicate posting. Sorry in advance if it is.
Motion to dismiss filed.
Details:
UCN: 542009CF001653XXAXMX
File Date: 2009-09-14 Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S
Defendant
CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias
Date # Docket Description
2009-09-14 1 COMPLAINT – PCSO DET. KEN TAYLOR (8/19/09)
2009-09-14 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A
2009-09-16 3 ARREST REPORT: GRAND THEFT (9/15/2009)
2009-09-16 4 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG
2009-09-16 4 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY
2009-09-16 4 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND
2009-09-16 4 $50,000.00 SECURED BOND SET
2009-09-16 5 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY
2009-09-16 6 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING
2009-09-16 7 WARRANT RETURNED EXECUTED
2009-09-21 8 LETTER TO JUDGE HEDSTORM FROM LINDSY CROSLIN
2009-09-24 9 STIPULATION AND ORDER ON BOND
2009-09-25 10 $5004.00 (CITY BEST BAIL BOND) #2220906 (09/24/09)
2009-09-25 10 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE COMPANY OF FLORIDA
2009-10-22 11 INFORMATION (GRAND THEFT (FIREARM)
2009-10-22 12 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/02/2009)
2009-10-22 13 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12/02/2009)
2009-10-30 14 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE, PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, AND
2009-10-30 14 APPLICATION TO THE CLERK FOR A COPY OF THE
2009-10-30 14 INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION AND THE ENDORSEMENTS
2009-10-30 14 THEREON
2009-10-30 15 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (12/02/2009)
2009-11-06 16 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (12/03/2009)
2009-11-06 17 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (12/03/2009)
2009-11-06 18 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (12/03/2009)
2009-12-03 19 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
2009-12-03 19 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2009-12-03 19 CONTINUED TO 01/14/2010
2009-12-03 20 NOTICE OF INTENT TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCOVERY
2009-12-08 21 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (01/14/2010)
2009-12-08 22 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (01/14/2010)
2010-01-13 28 STATE’S DISCOVERY EXHIBIT, WITNESS LIST
2010-01-13 24 DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCLOSURE
2010-01-14 25 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
2010-01-14 25 CASE SET FOR PLEA DAY 02/17/2010
2010-01-20 26 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (02/17/2010)
2010-01-20 27 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (02/17/2010)
2010-01-22 29 MOTION TO REVOKE BOND
2010-01-22 30 ORDER ON STATE’S MOTION TO REVOKE
2010-01-26 31 ORDER REVOKING BOND – DEFENDANT REMANDED TO CUSTODY
2010-02-03 32 MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIV 52
2010-02-03 33 ORDER GRANTING MOTION TO TRANSFER TO DIV 52
2010-02-03 33 PRE-TRIAL TO BE RESET
2010-02-22 34 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (03-31-2010) IN JAIL
2010-02-22 35 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (03-31-2010)
2010-03-31 36 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
2010-03-31 36 ON MOTION OF DEFENSE COUNSEL, COURT ORDERED CASE
2010-03-31 36 CONTINUED TO 05/13/2010
2010-04-06 37 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (05/13/2010) IN JAIL
2010-04-06 38 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (05/13/2010)
2010-05-13 39 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JAMES WERTER
2010-05-13 39 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL
2010-05-13 39 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 06/21/2010
2010-05-13 40 ORDER SETTING TRIAL AND LAST CHANCE PLEA DAY
2010-05-13 42 DEFENDANT’S WITNESS LIST
2010-05-14 41 MOTION TO DISMISS
2010-05-17 43 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (06/21/2010)
2010-05-17 44 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (06/21/2010) IN JAIL
cathyjo, if there was no OD involved then that means someone beat her or killed her in some manner, and i just dont see any of dysfunction junction having a motive for that, I just think it had to be some kind of accident that some of the players covered up. Even if it was related to the drug dealing….i could see kidnapping but then she would eventually have shown back up…the thing thrown in the mix that really makes it all so darn confusing to me is that i am absolutely certain RC knows what happened. He may not have been involved, but he knows….a control freak like him, reacting like he has over the year….???Too calm…to controlled…he KNOWS….but who would HE protect…if he knows, then to me that means he must be in someway implicated or else he’s have carried out his promise and killed someone….or maybe he knew he had to wait a good long minute to not get caught killing someone who took his girl….but this too seems farfetched…he is in someway implicated…he would save anyones butt but his own! but i dont think he physically harmed her, so again i am back at accidental OD, maybe at his instruction….like how he placated misty about having to babysit…she could have an easy night and sleep off her own binge if she gave haleigh a little sleeping draught
You make a good point toughcookie, when people comment about how good HaLeigh looked with her dad, and so happy….. In my mind I could only think of but this was one more child in the (Idon’t know which generation 3rd or 4th) Croslin/Cummings family that was about to be dismissed from school due to excessive absenteeism…. and she was in kindergarten… my gosh it is all so very sad.. IMVHO speaks volumes about the basics of family responsibility in raising a child.
I don’t think it was so much that Misty was allowed to quite school. I think it was more that nobody got her the help she needed after her assault to get her to a point where she was emotionally able to go back to school. Her family failed her, society failed her, and the justice system failed her, imo.
LadySadie said,in May 30th, 2010 at 7:48 pm JustOne @ 6:11 – I guess it could just be St Johns County that requires the same check for volunteers as required for vendors, etc. in the Jessica Lundsford act:
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Section 1012.465, Florida Statues, now states:
Noninstructional school district employees or contractual personnel who are permitted access on school grounds when students are present, who have direct contact with students or who have access to or control of school funds must meet Level 2 screening requirements as described in s. 1012.32, FS. Contractual personnel shall include any vendor, individual, or entity under contract with the school board.
Districts are advised that they have the discretion to establish standards applicable to volunteers, and must search volunteers against the sexual offender/predator database. See s. 943.04351, F.S.
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So I guess St Johns County is a little more protective of its students than other Florida school districts.
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No, that explains why none of the volunteers have to be checked, where I live only the kids on the Island are allowed to attend the school and last I checked there were none on the Island (of course there is always a pretty good chance a offender/predator hasn’t been caught) and that to me is even more frightening because I regularly check the site to see not only the offenders on the Island but in a five mile radius (which would be inland) So, you just never know who really lurks among us and had never been caught:(
got disconnected for no reason,hm
Thats your opinion dymph,whose asking for it?
I am so glad you know so much about me…lol musta put a lot of hours in that one,but it don’t pay!
Jnet,
I agree withe you completely, I, was physically
and mentally abused. The black eye’s,broken
nose,busted ribs all heal but mental abuse
is Pound into your head, you don’t who you are
no matter how hard you try it takes long time to heal
your mind.
as to what question tommy was asked, he tells lindsey in this most recent tape that it was only one question, about kncoking on the door of the MH. He doesnt go into detail about the exact question, but he did say something about the question being about him knocking on the door. Could be Is it true, or what time? I think the latter, because of how angry Lindsay is at him, she is mad because she lied for him and he made her look like a liar and a fool.
Right MrsM ,or she got caught in crossfire?? sorry,thats what i meant tho!
agreed *jnet*!
*whylie* ~ sometimes i miss some of the important stuff around here…for instance, misty’s assault in school. i’ve seen other comments about it, however, i don’t know the actual story…(silly me) 🙂
care to enlighten me on that ?
*TIA*
right mrsm,
she said you can’t even tell the truth about that!
*cricket* ~ amen to that ((hug to you))
i dont think you are crazy for wanting to help Misty Cathyjo, i do too. I live in St Augustine, 4 miles from the jail, and i think about her every day….Lindsey too. I would help her if i knew how to reach her. SHe works and visits Tommy very near to where i live. I’m sure i could help with babysitting, etc, Sounds crazy but its true.
tough, sketchy on details because both were minors. Older school mate held Misty against her will, brutally beating her and sexually assaulting her, repeatedly.
Oh Cricket, I am so sorry sweetheart, for what you have experienced, I pray you have found the support and guidance to live the life you deserve of health, love and happiness. And that you always know those that love you will never betray your trust, or hurt you..
Good night all. Please take good care and enjoy the rest of your weekend.
*mrsm* ~ iirc tommy said that the only question that mattered (as in relevance) ws the one about knocking on the mh door.
as i understood it, it wasn’t the only question they asked him, just the o nly one he believed was relevant.
jmo
CathyJo,
I’m glad you’re here. 🙂
read here daily just never posted
thanks *whylie*!
omg…what a horribly sad story…
Troll’s Trolls, Every morning night and day
They think they can hurt me by what I say
They don’t get to me Cause I know
They once were a school bully
who grew up to be a troll!
tough, very sad. A grown woman would need help surviving that type of brutality, much less a young teen.
crossfire doesn’t ring right to me either….at all
ty Mary! It’s just ignorance!
Thats very nice Mrsm,
not alot would do that!
if misty is completely innocent, but knows what Ron does, then she will turn on him when he testifies againt her. If she doesnt point the finger at him then she is in some way implicated….
you’re right *whylie*…have experienced it myself. that is a horrible “start” for a yong girl. i’m sure that contributes in an enormous way to the person she is today. so sad.
you say “I” have the problem?? lol
dymphna ~ we’re talking about haleigh’s case here…no need to post criticisms of anyone here.
people who have been through similar situations (and even damaged by them) are often the most effective at aiding others with similar issues, Most Drug and alcohol counselors are drug addicts in recovery. I am a counselor. Do I have mental problems because i would want to help misty/lindsay/all of dysfunction junction?
Jnet
Thank you so much, I’m a old women now.
so it just bad memories. I can live that.
CathyJo
This seems to be the same person as
yesterday, Just different name.
Let them go you no your loved by many
many others.
I would like to know how long was it after caylee Anthony went missing , Haleigh went missing!
This family needed money all of them did, just wondering if the Anthonys got there twenty thousand dollar interviews and 200,000. dollars before Haleigh went missing.
Maybe they all thought if they hid Haleigh out they would get the same money offers, did ron and misty get any money when they went to new york?
Really if they had someone keeping her hid then they could move away after about 5 yrs and no one would be the wiser and they would have money and get rich off selling drugs, just an idea?
*mrsm* ~ i wholeheartedly agree with you! so often, those who have actually “been there” can be almost more effective dealing with people who are confronting their “issues”, possibly for the first time. they have experience to bring to the table that couldn’t ever be gleaned from a book…
think its great that you are a counselor ~ good for you! 😉
I know cricket,maybe she’s writing wrap songs!
lol
Haleigh went missing the day of Caylees memorial!
Linda,
That was my very first thought when I heard the 911 call. Copycat abduction for $$$. I think it happened like the day after Caylees memorial. Living in Florida they can’t have missed all of the hype on Casey. Big bucks came to that family!
wow didnt know that lil coincidence
yeaaa and
Haleigh Marie
Caylee Marie
everybody ran out and got tattoos!
Comparisons of the HaLeigh and Caylee cases, by Statement Analysis expert Peter Hyatt
by CritterFan1 on Sat 24 Apr 2010 – 6:44
.Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony & A Long Discussion
Posted on April 23rd, 2010
by Simon Barrett in Society and Culture, crime
Read 1 times.
I had the opportunity to have a pretty in depth discussion with Statement Analysis expert Peter Hyatt a couple of days ago. His brand of science and art is not Voodoo, it makes perfect sense. Just like the polygraph reveals deception so does the written and spoken word if you know what to look for.
In many ways he backed up the age old theory that in every lie there is a grain of truth. Sometimes it is hard to find, but it is there. The real challenge is finding all of those grains and piecing together the puzzle.
Cases such as Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony become convoluted quickly. Andy Warhol’s 15 minutes of fame rule seems to become the norm. As a case ages, the spider web of ‘important’ people seems to grow at an exponential rate.
There can be no better example of this phenomena as the Haleigh Cummings case. In the rabid need to bring news to the public, just about everyone that is even remotely related to the little girl has spoken out. It does not matter that they had not seen her in years, it does not matter that they knew nothing about her circumstances at the time of the disappearance, they are all experts.
Who holds the real key to Haleigh Cummings? It is not the battling grammies, it is not the aunts and uncles, and probably not the infamous cousin. The truth lays within a very small group of people. Alas this magic band are not being forthcoming.
There is a triumvirate and they do hold the key, Misty Croslin, her then lover Ronald Cummings, and Misty’s esteemed brothers Tommy and Timmy. OK, some one will point out that a triumvirate is three, and I have mentioned four. I believe that when this case is solved three of those four will be implicated.
Based on the crash course that Peter Hyatt gave me, I have been reading and thinking about what all of these people have publicly said over the past 14 months. It gets depressing faster than a speeding bullet. His analysis of the original 911 tape is incredibly revealing. An even more compelling analysis of the case concerns the early investigation. Read this, oh and make sure that your tray tables and seats are in the upright position! Read it here.
I was talking to him yesterday and he said something that caught my attention, “Reading the truth is boring. The truth is the truth. But reading deception is fascinating”
Oh I can’t wait to talk to him on Sunday. You will not want to miss this program, the link is here.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2011-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=14
Simon Barrett.
Only if it is true, they really tripped up with the drug trafficking.
Dymphwit,
I think your the one with mental problem.
I think Cathy and Mrsm are the healthy
one’s .If I thought I could help Misty I
would. and I pray that someone give this
little girl a chance. everyone talks about this
generational thing, well as far I no Misty
has ever had anyone to help her.
and she certainly needs a helping hand.
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Re: Comparisons of the HaLeigh and Caylee cases, by Statement Analysis expert Peter Hyatt
by artgal16 on Sat 24 Apr 2010 – 18:10
.I was very fascinated by the statement analysis
here are some points that I find really interesting:
‘Casey Anthony overcame the natural instinct of a mother to murder her own child. If she was not sexually assaulted growing up, she may be the only mother able to kill her own offspring on record who wasn’t. ”
The above paragraph seems to say that he believes
that Casey was abused. I did not believe Casey but
now after having read the article I see it has merit
‘Whether or not Joe Overstreet molested Misty (who is a drug addicted prostitute, now in jail facing 25 years for selling drugs, and who will likely be arrested in the murder of Haliegh Cummings) is not the issue here. The issue here is the mentality of this family towards molestation.”
This is the first time I have read that someone actually called Misty a prostitute though I did read on AH that Misty was advertising as an escord on craigs list.
“Haliegh was an abused child; apparently beaten (Ronald Cummings references his own involvement with Child Protective Services who attempted to keep him from beating his children) often by Ronald, neglected (on the night of her disappearance, Ronald called Misty, according to Journalist Art Harris, 90 times on her cell phone. This is the same Ronald who, in every interview, mentions first that he was “at work” when Haliegh went missing, stopped off, in the midst of all his concerns, to buy beer and peanuts at 3AM, begging the question of who would get up in a few hours with both children”
This statement really was a surprise to me – I never heard that Ron called Misty 90 times – when did he do this does anyone know? Also when did Ron stop to buy the beer and peanuts? After Misty called him to say Haleigh was missing?
“It always bothered me that George and Cindy were told that their only grandchild was at a babysitters, sometimes for days at a time, but never once did they speak to the babysitter, meet the babysitter, ask for references, a background check, or even attempt to find out what kind of “care” their grandchild was receiving, especially since Casey would report that Caylee was sleeping over night after night. People do more checking before they put their pet into a kennel than these grandparents did to check on the safety and wellbeing of their grandchild.”
This statement alone should bring home that fact that both Cindy and George knew Casey didnt have a nanny but it was more convenient and cheaper to pretend that she did so as not to rock the boat.
“How is it that Cindy could be so cold hearted as to dine at the Ritz while law enforcement crawled in the mud in attempt to retrieve this remains, which she obviously knew were there for many months? Perhaps the answer is here:
Cindy Anthony, knowing her daughter faced possible execution for the murder of Caylee Marie, began to point the police towards innocent people, who, if falsely accused and falsly convicted, would be put to death by the state in the place of her daughter, Casey.
This is why liars are murderers in training.
Although it began as an attempt to take the pressure off Casey, and was an obvious attempt to influence a jury that they may have convicted her daughter without ever finding the body, it ultimately showed Cindy Anthony as an accomplish after the fact.
She who did not care enough to even pick up the phone to speak to the “nanny” to find out if good care was being taken of her granddaughter, was willing to have innocent people tried in the place of Casey.”
Of all the things written in this article the one that stands out clearly is Cindy Anthonys obstruction of justice and her willing to throw suspicion on anyone she could find that might be remotely convincing – possibly to even seeing them convicted and get a death sentence. Cindy Anthony should be charged as an accessory after the fact. I would wish that the police had the guts to do that.
dymphna, not saying you are a bitch just saying you are acting like one. Trying to spout off your knowledge about mental health is just showing your ass. You are new here, don’t know the regulars, but who you are picking on happens to be one of the all around favorite friends to many here. She is not only very intelligent but has a heart 10 times bigger than your brain. Thank God for people with compassion. So chill or move on.
It very well may nearing the beginning of the end for the Misty Croslin crew.
Here is why:
The first shot fired was the sentencing of Hope Sykes. This young teen received a stunning sentence of 15 years in prison for her part of the prescription drug dealing even though she appeared in the video as a “bit role”; not nearly as prominent as Ronald and Misty. (Anyone else notice how lucid and quick thinking Misty appeared to be on the police video which is in stark contrast to her jail appearances? For long term abuse, this is an indicator that while in the car, she was under the influence).
Hope Sykes will be in prison for what many people believe to be the prime years of life; the years when a child becomes an adult, concludes education, seeks employment, marries and begins to raise a family of her own. If she serves her full sentence, she will spend these precious years in prison; years when many Americans graduate from college, work full time, marry, and have their children, take videos and enjoy the American dream. Hope will be 33 years old when her sentence concludes and will have missed those things that are enjoyed by many. It is tragic. It is sad to me when I see youngsters, who, by age 10, for instance, have never been made to do their homework, nor chores, and know little outside of television. They don’t read, they play video games. The dedicated teachers have terrible frustration knowing that if they cannot enlist the parents’ help in forming responsible habits, the life awaiting the 10 year old may prove bleak.
Societies that have prospered have been those that reward production. Societies that award being stagnate and eventually fail.
When I was a boy, a trophy was rewarded for striving for excellence and obtaining. Today, a trophy is often rewarded for showing up or “maintaining a pulse”.
Hope Sykes never had a chance.
Not that this dismisses responsibility, nor does it cast blame on society. As a parent, if I choose to abdicate my responsibilities my children will also fail. They will not have a chance in life, either.
The same is seen in the Croslin clan. Misty’s parents worked hard at avoiding work and avoiding responsibility and it may be that mom, dad, brothers and sister will all, collectively, be in prison. I can almost feel the frustration of Misty’s kindergarten teacher, who begged Lisa to read to Misty, but all Lisa was interested in was her next high. Misty joked that her parents were both nicknamed “crackhead”. It isn’t funny.
Ronald Cummings wasn’t raised by his mother; but was removed from her care.
No matter how offended Nancy Grace was recently in her defense of Ronald, Ronald lied about domestic violence and drugs in the hours after Misty went missing. Ronald and Misty are facing LONG sentences in connection to the drug trafficking. Ronald would LOVE to have only 15 years.
Is a deal in the making?
Tommy is also scared. He is not only facing a long time in prison, he placed himself at the crime scene which is now characterized as a homicide investigation.
Let’s Make a Deal is about to begin.
However, there is an additional element that may throw
dymphna and jaba are in the same coven, stirrin up their voodoo..shame on them!
Dymphna, you and AH are kukoo.
CathyJo is fun, and sensible. She’s a smart gal, and AH is jealousssssssss!
Hm,I know what happened last time i didn’t believe ya OJ!
Not that i didn’t belive ya but didn’t listen?? sorry and ty again!
Thanks Guys!!!
Carrot head over at the Bald Lie is a punk bully.
I don’t get why everybody comes in and attacks me right off the bat?
Dang i mean am I donald Trumps long lost heir or sommin i dunno about?
hair today,
gone tomorrow!lol
‘Cause you make an impact, CathyJo. You speak the truth which they don’t want to hear.
CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 11:11 pm hair today,
gone tomorrow!lol
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OMG thats a goodd one
It’s something,I don’t get it,never been popular in my life but dang this is serious!
Guess I’ll have to ask Padilla to buy baldie a wax rag for his cyrstal bald!
crazy man,shewwwwww
Whylie,
How’d you hear of mistys school beating/sex assault?
What grade was she in? 6th? Or ???
Do you know what state?
Comment deleted because it was an uncalled for personal attack and I will not allow it in here. And btw… whoever you are that left this comment, I would suggest you get your facts straight before saying something so cruel and heartless against someone else.
My personal apologies to CathyJo for this comment being left in here to begin with.
Jan Barrett- BNN Editor
u lying bitchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you just taught me a lesson tho ty!!!!!!!!!
HOW DARE YOU,YOU LOOK HERE LIL GIRL,GET UP OFF MY BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
YOURE A STUPID BITCH LOW LIFE NASTY BITCHHHHHHHHHHHH HOW DID U MAKE THAT OUT OF ANYTHING I SAID GODDDDDDDDD
Does anyone know what Ron’s work schedule was?
I have heard many different versions but never knew which if any version was verified.
I know he worked till 3:00 am the morning of the 10th was verified.
I also have heard(on the blogs)that he was supposed to get off around midnight but was asked to work over. With that said, who would know he had to work over and not be expected at his normal time. Please does anyone have any info on this? Thanks
I hate to bother Jan and Simon on this holiday weekend, but how do we contact them?
ignore the haters cathy, I do.
I think LE is nervous about going to trial..
all the underhanded illegal tricks they pulled will come out..I’m curious if Hope’s lawyer was interested in a job at the DA’s office. Maybe got offered one in exchange for nailin Hope?
Their good ol boy backscratchers in that neck of the woods. I wouldn’t be surprized to see Hope’s lawyer have a job with the DA in a year or so as a reward..the whole system is corrupt!
FYI BITCH MY DAUGHTER IS LIVING THANK GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD HOW DARE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I’m wearing sandals – if I kick Dymphna in the heart, I’ll break my toe. Let me pull my steel-toed boots on . . .
Deleted by Editor because of it being a personal attack. We do NOT allow that in here
Jan Barrett
MY GRANDSON IS WITH ME YOU STUPID IGNORANT BITCH AS IS MY DAUGHTER U LYING ASS BITCH
notice how jaba just showed up and makes no comment?
NO IM NOTTTTTTTTTT,IM regretting telling ppl who can’t read or comprehend facts,im over it now bitch!
lol
but i sat for 3 yrs worried my dtr would be killed and u make up a damn lie like you did,its obvious u cant read! go play in traffic somewhere!
dymphna ~ i make it a point not to get into these nasty spats here…
but you have gone too far…you are glaringly INCORRECT in what you have spoken about *cathyjo*…i will not impart to you the TRUTH of the matter, out of my respect for her…if she wants to tell the TRUTH (although there is no reason whatsoever for her to explain ANYTHING to you) then she can…not my place.
you need to DO YOUR HOMEWORK before you sign on here and start blathering. your behavior is reprehensible, and that post is UNFORGIVEABLE!!
yes i do OJ,today when i posted my story she said,i don’t wanna know your business,i said no but i want ppl to know for awareness,im not ashamed,but my dtr wasn’t killed,my husband died so she wouldn’t be and what that bitch said is lowwwwwwwwwwwwww
>>>>>>>>handing *jason* his steel-toes BOOTS!!!
Get over yourself, Dymphna. CathyJo is smarter and more sensible than you. She’s probably right about Misty.
your being ATTACKED cathy..they know their lying and purposely mixing up facts to annoy you. Ignore them..I do.
no,the bitch don’t deserve any respect from me??????????????????????????????
noooooooooooo!
but she’s taught me never to post my feelins online!
and thats a sad thing cuz not aalot understand anothers problems less they been there!
but I Thank all you guyss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and i thank god you knew my story anyway and knew she lied and can anybody get an isp or anything at all??
dymph
I have just notified Simon and Jan Barrett of your despicable behavior here. I happen to know CathyJo personally and admire her very much for the million miles she has already come. She has lived through much heart ache from the murder of her HUSBAND and has given her everything to her daughter and grandchild. You are off your rocker with that story. Worse than that you are heartless, cold, rude, and a disgrace to even be talking about her life in that way. Now please leave.
now you know i meant *steel-TOED* boots! lol
I had a feeling about Jaba.and i think i may be right? but i hope not!
AH is unprofessional. Just the way it is, Dymphna. Run along now – go tell Carrot Head.
no ignorant,its what you picked out of it!
I’m a serial lurker, read every single day but never post. CathyJo, OJ, Tobias, all the regulars keep me updated, if at somewhat odd times (I’m in Sydney, Aust). Rise above it CathyJo, you’ve got so much support here that he/she will soon be ousted. You should never hold your feelings back for the sake of some miserable detractors. We Love Ya!
OJ’s glove said,
in May 30th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
your being ATTACKED cathy..they know their lying and purposely mixing up facts to annoy you. Ignore them..I do.
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OJ I totally agree, that “person” purposely mixed up the facts. What a heartless, sick, person to play games about something so sensitive.
Thank you Treece for emailing Simon and Jan. I don’t have their email address or I would have emailed them myself.
I don’t post often, but read everyday and CathyJo I am sending hugs your way!!!!!!!
CathyJo, we know you, and we love you.
and maybe that’s why i never post, made a mistake in my first one, lol. I’m an AussieGirl, not an AussieGril. lol
CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 11:38 pm I had a feeling about Jaba.and i think i may be right? but i hope not!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxyou just gave her an openning..
jaba is dymphna..now she’ll be back going who, what, where, I missed it.
No stupid, she did NOT lie, you did NOT comprehend
she said daughters X = boyfriend = murderer
The truth is her daughters x boyfriend murdered CathyJo’s husband, her daughters dad. It was a tragic event in her life. I don’t care if you misunderstood you were rude as hell to attack a tragedy like that. Now go away.
in my opinion that is more then “being picked on”…to attack someone with the most painful, personal info is just despicable…to take someone’s shared pain, someone who has shared in the hopes of explaining and imparting understanding to others, and manipulate it this way is going TOO far over the line…that is just cruel imo.
JUST FYI my above post was for dymph dumb ass.
Wow my head is spinning to see such hatred. It almost makes me think it’s one of the names she listed that she claims CJ had judgement upon. But, only some of them are not in jail now.
So cruel.
dymph, I am typing real slow so maybe you can get it this time!!!
treece said,
in May 30th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
No stupid, she did NOT lie, you did NOT comprehend
she said daughters X = boyfriend = murderer
The truth is her daughters x boyfriend murdered CathyJo’s husband, her daughters dad. It was a tragic event in her life. I don’t care if you misunderstood you were rude as hell to attack a tragedy like that. Now go away.
Toughcookie, I finally got ’em on, now where’s Dymphna with the rock-hard heart?
heyitsmekelly said,in May 30th, 2010 at 6:51 am
WOW! There’s even more people who think like I do on this! I bet there are investigators who think this way also , but they don’t have the evidence to prove any of it?!
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I’m thinking the same thing the same way. 🙂
Hope, thank you for your support. Evil hearted people make my blood boil.
he would be my dtrs ex/bf/
Mrs ignorant
proof from letters he wrote to her to cut us out of her life before he killed her daddy you stupid ignorant bitch!
thats what hurt Tough,TY I am calmer now,what got me was the words
murdered her daughter,i saw red….i sure did,i spent 3 yrs worrying about that very thing,and then lost her dad,he died to save her life and this ignorant bitch makes fun of my torture!
Thank you Treece for taking action! How can someone be so mean and evil?
like i said in my post @ 11:31pm:
you need to DO YOUR HOMEWORK *dymph* before you sign on and begin blathering. if you had ever previously read *cj*, you would understand her way of writing (the daughters ex boyfriend was the murderer…), as well as the fact that you might have read the story in clearer detail on a previous day.
as you did not, you have committed a grave insult to another human being!
behind these “nics” are living, breathing, feeling human beings…that was a horrible tragedy that you have twisted and then exploited…
and you don’t even have the decency to dredge up an apology? disgusting…
Jason said,
in May 30th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
I’m wearing sandals – if I kick Dymphna in the heart, I’ll break my toe. Let me pull my steel-toed boots on . . .
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Jason I love it!!!
because youre filthy!
you dont have the facts and you never will!
I don’t care to oblige you!
and i certainly am not waiting to see you admit how wrong and nasty you really are so please sit around and see what else you can make up about my life!maybe AH will actually pay you for them!
Cathy,
I’ve been following the last few minutes and think the troll has stepped over the line.
If you would like simon or jan to post my ip from any of my posts and check it against anyone else, I have no problem with it.
Monicasstain,
Nice try douchebag. The next time you want to imply that me, or anyone here is promoting the bashing of another, or involved in any way, please have facts. Much like all your posts, its just a condescending tone designed to get attention that you must feelnecessary to do. How about finding some other articles you can post ‘1st’ on, that’s more your speed. Websleuthing aint your forte.
Seems you show up whnever there is a troll too. Hmmmmm…
I am broke anyway,need royalties,sendem my way hunny,rofl
I am broke anyway,need royalties,sendem my way hunny,rofl
Toughcookie @ 11:45, ITA. That is cold, very cold. Makes me wonder what it is he or she is REALLY upset about.
Dymphna over-reacts, with extreme anger, because CathyJo doesn’t believe Misty killed Haleigh.
Dymphna doesn’t want Misty to be defended, or helped.
*jason* ~ lol 😉
*cj* ~ i know that’s what hurt my friend (((hugs))). that was entirely out of line.
btw, you know how i posted yesterday about never “slamming” anyone? haha…guess you were here at my 11:31pm post…my FIRST slam!! lol 🙂
dymphna asked:
How am I any more of a cold-hearted bitch than CathyJo is towards TN, MG, AS, Lindsy and Chelsea?
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To even ask this stupid question, instead of apologizing all over this blog just proves his point of how low you are.
Now I am NOT going to acknowledge your existence or post any more and I hope no one else will either.
uh oh..my stalkers back..
aka dympha
yea I was Tough,you done good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank You so very much for defending me for your first! LoL Thats double special….lol
Thanks to all you guys,and I am so sorry i said what i said around you guys but i’ll never be sorry she heard it!
lol
because Ignorant ASS! Mine are facts!
thats what you think..rofl
thats your tale,I sit on mine at this puter being a decsnet justice seeker for Haleigh while you and trolls like you defend child murderers!
CathyJo, my dear friend, wonderful mother and fantastic loving grandma. You have survived some tough stuff and this little pimple on your ass is not even worth your time. I hope that you will just ignore her. You and the one’s that care about you know the truth.
Cathy,
I care that you believe me, I care that others here I’ve chatted with believe me. I don’t care at all that offjerk believes me .
I told you I didn’t want to be up in your business meaning you don’t have to justify or tell me anything you don’t want to.
Please don’t let others here try and convince you that I mean you any harm nor would I post what dypshit did.
I use and have used only one source to post, my blackberry , from texas. Have it checked out if you wish. Nothing to hide here on my end.
btw *jason* ~ my “lol” to you at 12:00am was re: your boots post…i’m not laughing about your 12:00am…just wanted to make that clear…
dymphna, you’re angry because CathyJo and others here do not believe Misty killed Haleigh.
I understand, Toughcookie!
I am Treece,LoL I’m on it now..rofl honest!
I said my piece! so did yall…….ROFLMAO!
I bleieve you, Jaba.
I *believe you Jaba – you’re not a troller!
*cj* ~ no need for any thanks…just doing what any “human” would think is the right thing.
No I don’t Jason,misty IS innocent imo……….lol
Jaba,I care too,its just every time i turn around somebodys doing this crap and its not funny,this is Haleighs lil place and I am sick of the garbage!
for somebody to just attack someone on personal stories is beyond low!
I don’t need to check anything,if someone did that to one of yall about a tragedy you went thru,I’d kick doors down and take names later..its getting old!
Jason said,in May 31st, 2010 at 12:13 am I *believe you Jaba – you’re not a troller!
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who was it that said
“theres a sucker born every minute”?..
they were right.
*jaba* ~ never thought for a moment that was you… 🙂
and in their defense,nobody could convince me either way,they can suspect it and tell me and i make my own judgement,earlier today i did suspect you myself! sorry if i am wrong but i did!
I just thought you didn’t like me for some reason!
So the person who thinks CJ was too judgemental upon the likes of TN, AS, Lindsey Chelsea etc. Thinks TN and Ron did it.
No comprehende
dympthna ~
“NOW BE OFF WITH YOU…
BEFORE SOMEONE DROPS A HOUSE ON YOU TOO…”
dymph, there has been no evidence released that anyone killed Haleigh. Sheriff Hardy declared the case a homicide without releasing any supporting evidence whatsoever.
CathyJo63 said,in May 30th, 2010 at 10:36 pm Troll’s Trolls, Every morning night and day
They think they can hurt me by what I say
They don’t get to me Cause I know
They once were a school bully
who grew up to be a troll!
OJ @ 12:15, PT Barnum
dymph, we don’t care what you accuse Cathy Jo of; we love her; we want you to leave.
Cate (aka Kate) said,in May 31st, 2010 at 12:25 am dymph, there has been no evidence released that anyone killed Haleigh. Sheriff Hardy declared the case a homicide without releasing any supporting evidence whatsoever.
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this isn’t about LOGIC Cate..its an attack on cathy..the facts don’t matter.
oy vey..
I don’t think dymph is Jaba. But who is s/he?
OJ’s glove, Right you are. That’s why I posted the “We love her…”
Well, Bye, ya’all. Dymph has no place here, love all the rest, Cathy Jo, OJ’s glove, Jason, Treece, Vaq, JB, sorry I can’t name you all.
dymphna, at 11:27 pm you said “. . . Misty is the one that killed that little girl”.
But you contradicted yourself at 12:13 and said: “I don’t believe that Misty killed Haleigh, I think either Ron or Teresa did.”
???
Oh, Dymph, you are still here. I’ll stay up for a bit.
What do I smell? shewwwwwwwww!!! something stinks!!!!
Hi treece, good to know that you are still here, too.
Dymph, besides shooting Cathy Jo, who we all love and appreciate, what’s your point?
Jaba’s cool – don’t be hounding him OJ.
*jan barrett* to the rescue !!
dympthna’s 11:27pm post has been DELETED…
I am so sorry that Simon and Jan can not make it through one weekend or holiday without someone causing trouble!
So Dymphs 11:27 post is deleted, cool, thanks, Jan. Where does this leave the discussion?
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Cathy,
I’m here to post and discuss. I defended you the other night because I felt I should. But, when even one of us speaks to the trolls, they love that. I chose to stay out of it and will from now on. Its not that I don’t like you, but trolls feed on response, nothing more.
I thought I’d post since the ultimate dickhead regular, cochran’scondom accuses me of something, I’ll respond. I’m surprised he can form more than 3 sentences in a row. Must have learned a new trick. 🙂
Jason, tough…thanks.
Again, check out any of my posts and see if I’m someone else by ip or whatever. Then simspson’ssack can apologize like a man would.
*billybob* @ 11:17pm ~
ron’s work schedule has been questioned here too, many times. as far as i know, LE has refused to release it…
it was said that he was supposed to work until midnight, but instead worked until 3am…however, i don’t think anyone here has seen any documentation to back that up.
if i’m wrong, hopefully someone will correct this!
rofl@Cate
aww Thank You Jason,I do appreciate all you guys and Jan thanks for deleting the garbage,sorry i interrupted your life to help ming….appreciated more than you know!
Thank you once again Treece!
*cj* ~ d is only taking 900mg of lithium per day…pfffttt… (baby stuff) i’m a REAL woman… been taking 1200mg for years !!!
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So, it seems everyone is “spent” after all that. Anyone HUMAN still here?
My deepest apologies to you CathyJo for that comment to have been left on BNN. It was cold hearted and cruel and it has been deleted and that person has been banned. Also I have removed all of the other comments made by dymphna. I don’t know who they are but they are from Texas.
Once again CathyJo I am truly sorry it got by me.
Have a safe Memorial Day tomorrow everyone. Good night 🙂
Jan Barrett
lol tough
dymph, Thanks for asking. I think that no matter how Cathy Jo was doing it, she was a very good mother. She cared, she loved, she did what needed to be done. Are you a mother, is that why you ask?
No it didn’t get by you Jan,don’t feel you’re any balme?????? you have a life too!
Honest but i sooooooo appreciate it and thanks for everything!
I don’t like seeing people banned but her i have to admit i did!
She/he would hurt anybody for fun!
/me raises a paw
Thanks, Jan. I hope you get some rest. I really appreciate you and your calm nature. Good Night.
treece said,in May 31st, 2010 at 12:42 am I am so sorry that Simon and Jan can not make it through one weekend or holiday without someone causing trouble!
It’s a shame Treece!!!!
doggone guys,maybe we’re getting close to the truth,I hope so! shew
Hey Cathy Jo, Just want you to know how much I appreciate your perspective and honesty. Where were you all with the actual discussion, where is Haleigh and is she ok?
Thank Yo Cate,but i ‘ll be doogone if i even remember?? lol my gosh
So where do we start back up?
I’m interested in the origin of the misty assault at school. Anyone have anything more on it?
Dang, CathyJo, seems you got someone worried with your comments. But don’t you worry about it Jan has your back and won’t let anyone post anything negative about you.
somewhere between mars and jupiter.maybe, and the twilight zone,rofl
Taking forever to refresh. Can we post under a different article? One with no comments? j/k
Wow, sure hope D can’t come back under a new assumed name.
She can post anything negative,long as its true….lol ya know but my gosh I swear to my God in Heaven,Now i know how a celebrity feels……rofl
I go through this evryday and im like geeeez,wth?
with her/he morals somehow i think she/he might,lol
didn’t jaba say at 12:09 am she was on her blackberry from TEXAS?.. YES SHE DID!!
thank you jan for pointing out what state the attack came from..
and removing the rubbish.
thats what i thought tooo fly,but my gosh,a 47 yr old granny????? what the heck could i ever have interesting,rofl.my God I’m here 24×7…..rofl everybody knows all they need to know!
Cathy Jo, I like that perspective, “at least I know how a celebrity feels.” All press is good press… Like what flyingfree said, too, “seems you got someone worried with your comments.” Absolutely. What did you say that was so volatile?
it was from tx???????????
gosho,wish i knew what i had thats worth that much Cate,I’d bottle it and sell it,rofl
Well don’t you worry about it Cathy, Jan will take care of you, she ain’t gonna let nobody say nothing bad about our Cathy.
yes Jason,i saw it!
toughcookie said,in May 31st, 2010 at 12:49 am *cj* ~ d is only taking 900mg of lithium per day…pfffttt… (baby stuff) i’m a REAL woman… been taking 1200mg for years !!!
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still tickled with that one,lol
So anyhow, Haleigh. The latest I read is that Haleigh was not with Ron over the weekend Feb 6-8, or on Monday Feb 9!!!! It was Crystal’s turn and she did not return Haleigh to Ronald. Anyone else following that angle?
I found that out Fly,i never seen everybody here attack at one time….ROFL my goodness!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, I said texas. And you can say it all day and night little man if it makes you happy.
Check the ips for matches. Check all my posts from day one. Same blackberry, sam sprint account as always.
You want to implicate me dude, get some facts.
You’d be surprised at how many people ignore you. I can’t because you are a gold mine of misreprentations, bravado, and bull shit. Put your mitten back on and let us talk about the case.
LOL *cj* ~ i knew you’d laugh at that one ! 😀
No Cate but i do wonder tho,remeber the video of the witness at the bus stop? well she said ron was screaming wheres my girl,or sommin like it ?? and i thoought maybe thats true thenn????
funny as heck tough,lol
i just don’t get why that would be done,sorry eatin and typin,lol
one of those profiles i read or posted it said texas??
uh oh..my stalkers makin noises again..
sounds like “oink oink”..lol
Cathy Jo, witness at the bus stop video? No, don’t know about that one, would love to.
This most recent Jaba post, doesn’t sound like the same person, not at all, who posted, “Who are they to judge me an Ron? I am not clear, though, who Jaba is referring to when s/he says, “You’d be surprised at how many people ignore you…”
*cate* ~ i hadn’t heard that…is there a link i can go to to read it ?
*thanks*
Still here. 🙂
If you continue to blame me and attack me with falsehoods, I’d say you should be banned. Attacks aren’t tolerated here right? Just sayin’ 🙂
*ignore*ignore*ignore* (is it working yet ?)
CathyJo63 said,in May 31st, 2010 at 1:20 am one of those profiles i read or posted it said texas??
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jan said dypnhas IP was from texas at 12:49am
jaba, I am so confused. How do we know that you are the real you?
to OJ,Cate! links wont post but go to youtube,type in karen simmer and it should bring it up??
Cate,told ya wrong,lol brb ill find who it was?? sorry
type in last day seen haleigh
Maryd, agreed. Refresh is a muther right now.
theres 2 of them,one from the hubby,1 from the wife!
I thought he/she was banned.
Isn’t it true tho that a cellphone,blackberry can’t be banned?
Hope said,
in May 31st, 2010 at 1:28 am
I thought he/she was banned.
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I thought so too 😀 If you are IP banned can you sneak in here using an anonymous proxy?
me too hope!
deleted by editor because commenter has been banned. Joining back in here using a spoofed IP is pretty desperate if you ask me. Sounds to me like you are the one in need of some attention if it is so important to be here when you know you are not welcome. I can do this all day long. It is my job so I don’t get tired of banning IP’s. So get a life, will ya?
Jan Barrett
CathyJo, I don’t know. Jan is probably on top of IT again. I am so sorry you have to go through this.
You always make me laugh when I read here!
omg…it isn’t up to *jaba* to “prove” who she/he is to anyone here…anymore then its up to me or *cj* or anyone else! besides…the only people privvy to ip’s and the like are the barrett’s…
honestly, does anyone really believe that IF *jaba* was “the troll”, they would outright SAY they were from texas…knowing that *jan* would find that out when she looked up the troll?
of course not, IF *jaba* were the troll, she/he would have stated in their post that they were from arizona, or ohio, or timbuctu!! anything BUT texas…
please don’t let other’s power of suggestion completely sway your own good judgement…not dowing anybody here, just trying to put in some common sense as i, myself see it.
imo
correction: should be: “downing” anyone here..
dymphna said,
in May 31st, 2010 at 1:32 am
Sorry vaquera but I have deleted the original comment here by dymphna – Jan Barrett
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Did you used to post here as myopiniononly/MOO?
Thank You Hope,but i got nerves of steel,just shocked me earlier because i don’t take to ppl who are deliberatly cold!
Off with her head!!!
Cathy, I think they are just picking on you because you do post more than anyone else and they just want the whole Haleigh thing to go away so they can get on with their illegal doings.
alethea said,
in May 30th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
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Yes, WinterRose, and normally I would agree 100%, but if this is a PIT BULL we are talking about, I would give Lindsay a pass on this one.
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EEEEE,a pitbull?Why on earth does anyone have a pitbull around any child?But still,if someone don’t want a dog,find someone who does,because it’s wrong to mistreat any animal.
both from tex,and jaba is on a blackberry so i dunno,its getting to where ya just can’t trust anybody.lol
Cate,
Don’t know. I’ve stated my side.
My comment about ‘ignoring’ was for the piece of evidence nickname who really thinks he’s on to something. I’ve never seen him more active than the last hour. Too bad he’s wrong. Its funny to me now. I’ll be here for a long time.:)
I stated earlier today I was from texas when cricket asked me. I have nothing to hide. I’m me.:)
Steph if this is you, up to your old tricks it is time to stop. Your IP can be traced to your phone also, so I would stop the crap. Don’t you have any consideration for Jan Barrett.
Um,Wow,alot of things happened on here tonight,glad I missed it,but I can’t leave you kids alone for a minute. 🙂
wouldn’t doubt that for a sec fly!!!
Reading back what obviously happened was messed up,but accusing people when you don’t know if it’s them,isn’t right either.From what I can understand Jan took care of it,so maybe everyone should just move on.Because naming names and putting links of people when you’re not sure if it’s them,is putting thier info online when they’re innocent,not cool.KWIM
rofl@ vaq.moooo
toughcookie said,in May 31st, 2010 at 1:34 am omg…it isn’t up to *jaba* to “prove” who she/he is to anyone here…anymore then its up to me or *cj* or anyone else! besides…the only people privvy to ip’s and the like are the barrett’s…
honestly, does anyone really believe that IF *jaba* was “the troll”, they would outright SAY they were from texas…knowing that *jan* would find that out when she looked up the troll?
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yes..the troll said she was in texas on her blackberry before jan came online which she didn’t expect..its called a Freudian slip..
maryd. said,in May 30th, 2010 at 9:34 pm Interesting point mrsm
Why would lindsey be embarrassed if Tommy failed his LDT? Because she stood by him? She was like “you can’t even tell the truth about that”, (maybe not exact words). Regarding the did you knock on the door that night. Supposedly he told LE he knocked on her door and she didn’t answer. Recently it was said he retracted that comment saying he was just pressured by LE to saying it. Was that after the LDT? Did he have to now say that because he showed deception in being there. And why does Lindsey take it to the next level with the incestuous comment?
Guess I have more questions than answers mrsm.
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Well, while we’re on the subject of possibilities, I suppose it is simply possible that she is simply self-serving. I can see how she might feel like lashing out but I frankly don’t have much sympathy for someone who does not seem to take into account that the man is the father of her children in the way she is treating him. I can’t help but feel if she was thinking rightly, she would have been crying with disappointment.
And, she may be the sort of person whose view of her world is set in terms of loyalties and she resents having everything upset and it may be basically a self-serving thing. Best I can think to express it.
It is very hard to describe, but I get this picture in my mind of a cousin I used to have…. Her redneck husband took my toddler son out in the back yard and made him eat dirt, bragged in front of me that he did it, and I made the mistake of telling her about it…. (Actually, I should have called the cops, but I was very young and too stunned to think what to do.) People like that, things are set in their minds and you don’t mess with it.
It is very hard of course to know from the outside who is telling the truth with all the sexual allegations. It is entirely possible that, like my erstwhile cousin, she has a tendency to believe the wrong person. When a person lies, the question is why.
In a way, maybe it’s like deceiving oneself because one doesn’t want the apple cart upset. We’ve all done it to some degree.
He may not be husband and father of the year, in fact probably quite low on the list, but she should be very careful, if only for the sake of the kids. Get the divorce if she must, but she shouldn’t trash him. Not without proof. I can’t look at it in any other way. And did she really go to the jail in hot pants? Whew!!!
In my opinion, and while we are discussing possibilities.
Goodnight yall, I can tell you this if someone can change IPs and get back on it is still traceable and can be tagged to there phone number so it needs to stop.
yes *oj* ~ i’m aware of when *jaba* made her post saying she was from texas. that is exactly my point…
she made that post saying she was from texas, and saying it BEFORE *jan* came on…
so obviously, she is NOT the troll…because she knew full-well that *jan* could look up the ip…if she WERE the troll, she could have saved herself the grief, and do as any self-respecting troll would (lol) and lie ! she would have said she was from new york, or indiana….whatever…instead of texas.
get it?
Good Night Treece
I seriously doubt jaba is this other person. 😉
winter,if you knew what happened you’d maybe feel different!ya know!
Imagine what it took to cause every single one of us to attack one person and multipl it by 100!
I said “Freudian slip”..get it?
I dunno,not saying that but a web site tracker in texas has the name!
Maybe, he/she is gone now. Let’s all hope that’s the case anyway.
ok *oj* 😀 i get it
WinterRose said,in May 31st, 2010 at 1:48 am Reading back what obviously happened was messed up,but accusing people when you don’t know if it’s them,isn’t right either.From what I can understand Jan took care of it,so maybe everyone should just move on.Because naming names and putting links of people when you’re not sure if it’s them,is putting thier info online when they’re innocent,not cool.
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I was accused by her of allowing my daughter to be murdered and sent my grandson to wherever cuz i didn’t want him Winter,you know thats not right??
I said I was from texas many hours ago columbo. Keep tryin. Your bias is obvious and its just making me laugh that you think I have multi nics or even two.
If you keep accusing me falsley, maybe jan should advise you not too. Maybe you will listen to her. I’m not going to bother her with it, but you can, you super detective you. 🙂
Then you can apologize like a man.
I’m signing out for the night..
later people..nite cathy
*somebody break open the evidence locker*
i have a splitting headache…
😉
but as you know my dtr is living and so is my Grandson with me??
OK, please explain something to me. Christal has a letter from Misty, I thought Misty could’nt read and write according to Hank, Sr. As for Lindsey changing her mind about the divorce, I smell Tommy’s lawyer pleading with her to wait until after the trial, because it’s gonna hurt his client. I don’t think Misty hurt Haleigh, she tried to cover up for everybody else after being told that she was to blamed for not doing a good job while Haleigh was under her care. It started with Ron, “why did you let my daughter stole, bit*h”
chelsea has a letter?? Marie!
hi *marie* ~ i think misty’s language skills are just barely passable, from the letters i’ve seen…so i guess she has some reading & writing.
and i agree with you completely on the rest of your post. i believe it was tommy’s lawyer who suggested putting the divorce “on hold”. and i also think misty is somehow covering for someone else.
earlier today, there was some discussion about a voice analysis test that she took some time ago. apparently, one of the questions was point blank, “did you harm haleigh?” and her answer was “truthful”. i don’t know about the accuracy of voice annalysis, but i think that should definitely be looked into, myself.
jmo
Yea, remember CathyJo, Chelsea has that letter Misty wrote her that she is trying to sell to either LP or AH for a used car. But she supposedly has already give LE a “copy” of the letter that they haven’t released. So Chelsea could sell it to the highest bidder and they could have a “bombshell” new story.
Thx tough, sorry you had to waste your time with bozosglove
We’ll see what inspector clouseau has for us tomorrow after he naps and cleans his bong. 🙂
Take care all!
oops ! my post @ 2:20am
should have said, misty’s answer was “NO” to the question “did you harm haleigh?”
and those results showed no deception.
my lord yes,can they get her for that,lol cause once u sell somthing ya can’t keep selling it,lol crazy
Marie said,in May 31st, 2010 at 2:12 am OK, please explain something to me. Christal has a letter from Misty, I thought Misty could’nt read and write according to Hank, Sr. As for Lindsey changing her mind about the divorce, I smell Tommy’s lawyer pleading with her to wait until after the trial, because it’s gonna hurt his client. I don’t think Misty hurt Haleigh, she tried to cover up for everybody else after being told that she was to blamed for not doing a good job while Haleigh was under her care. It started with Ron, “why did you let my daughter stole, bit*h”
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Agree with most of what you’re saying, but it is also possible that it could have been pointed out to her that without the spousal privilege, she might be more in jeopardy for an obstruction charge — if she did lie for him. Maybe that’s what she’s most mad about? Not the lying but the reason?
Can anyone poke holes in that idea? TYIA.
right Tough!!!!!
I believe she doesn’t know what happened,either asleep,gone or protecting ron……..jmo
Another jailhouse letter?
*jaba* ~ lmao…goodnight
im on dsl and it even takes forever to refresh the page,guess my big mouth does run to much,lol
Well, darn, go to bed early and miss all the fun! Pf course going to bed early means I took the dogs out early and they have now woken me to go out again, LOL. Only up for a few minutes, hopefully I will be able to get back to sleep soon. CathyJo63, I think you should go ahead and write that letter to Misty that you want to write. If you didn’t copy down the address info that I posted earlier in the week let me know and I will post it again. You never know what will be the catalyst that finally gets through to a person and your letter just might be it.
*althea* ~ from what i know about law, the “spousal privilege” would still be in effect even if she divorced tommy, because they were married when the actual crime (if it did involve him) was committed.
not that i know of Alethea? i just thought maybe you were mistaken,lol sorry
which one do you mean??
Thank you Lady,I am going too!!!!!
CathyJo, I’m sorry but I don’t know what you are referring to. Probably getting too tired.
Well heading back to bed, CathyJo63, get some rest, don’t let the trolls bother you. Just keep on keeping on! Hopefully one day we will know what happened to the precious little angel Haleigh and justice will be served in her name.
As for Lindsey changing her mind about the divorce, I smell Tommy’s lawyer pleading with her to wait until after the trial.
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Alethea,,thats sommin i’d never thought of,it would look even worse then??
Oh, I see, I must have missed the details about the letter.
*you guys have a great night*
i’m off for now 🙂
lol Alethea,i don’t either now,lol
yes Alethea,
gnite tough!!!!!!!!
gnite Lady!!!!!!
Since I don’t seem to be following things real well, I guess I’d better quit. Nite, all.
hmmmm just had a thought since Alethea mentioned that!
Maybe somebody don’t want me sending Misty a letter,lol
gnite!!!!!!!!!
I’m off too,for the night,lol
too many new nixs and its made me jittery after what happened,hope yall understand,I ain’t got nothing against the newbies or simple nic changes but just too stunned by the last one,Hugs guys,
Love yas all!
Be Safe!
Guess I look at pictures of little Haleigh and see too much of my own daughter who is going to be 24 on Wednesday, all the blonde curls. Can’t help all that motherly instinct coming out and wanting to just take her and show her what real parental love is. Damn don’t these people know that a child is the most precious gift ever given? I still look at my “little” girl and see the baby I held in my arms 24 years ago, and poor Haleigh never had a chance with these people that were supposed to love and protect her! Grrrrrrr, I just want to shake all of them and smack them upside the head!
I know what ya mean Lady,mine is 31!
Hey but CathyJo63, you get the grandbaby to spoil, I don’t have that YET! My baby is still in college (yes of course I am still paying through the nose for it, LOL), med school is next, she tells me that I have at least 10 more years to wait before anyone is calling me granny 🙁
Seriously what first caught my attention with Haleigh (besides the fact that it happened right up the road from me, well ok less than 50 miles away) was all the blonde curls, just like my own little girl! And that smile, God it just melted my heart, just wanted to take her home and wrap her in a cocoon of love and let her know how real parents act!
Did anybody notice that the officer who went to Tommy’s was there at Feb. 10th @ 11:00 and responded on the radio saying she was at Tommy’s when the call for Haleigh missing went out? She was there from 11:00 to 3:27? Also does anyone have a copy of the police report from the road incident on Charles Jones and Ronald?
No wait, it would mean the officer went to Tommy’s on the 10th at 11:00 so after and during the amber alert searching
Well, as usual I was sleeping during all of the drama on BNN
CathyJo.. sorry the troll and the snake shook you up. Stand strong lil’ lady.
We have a big python problem here in the everglades and a few months ago we hunted them and that is when I got the photo.
My sunsets and sunrises and flower macros are my favorite.
As for the link to the TN video about the snake.. Why do I feel like the only snake in the woods that day was TN herself? Even Cobra (I am no fan of Cobra) felt duped by TN that day. Does that strike you as odd too? I think she and Ron are hip deep in all of this and while I can’t stand Misty I don’t think she is involved in the Haleigh case other than being passed out the night she was taken.
The assault on Misty was when she was 13 or she had just turned 14. It happened in Florida. The guy was charged as an adult, pled down to attempted lewd or las assault, sentenced as a sexual offender to 8 years 2 months.
What was his name?
I agree with Trotline’s 4:12 post except I think TN and Ron are NECK deep involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.
does anyone know why the cops were at tommy’s earlier in the evening?
i think misty was never pregnant, she faked it. I also think that might be where her comment to the neighbor fits in. She said she was tired of watching OTHER peoples kids, and asked him to pray for her….maybe she meant she wanted one of her own…to keep ron. Ron = stability and family life to misty as crazy as that seems
Trotline,
I re-watched that video yesterday. I
can’t figure out what the hell that was all about.
it made no since to me, but then there’s
a lot of things that don’t in this case.
Mrsm,
That was a call about Haleigh missing
at 2:17am from Tommy’s house. a little
more than hour before the one that was
called from Ron’s house.
Trotline:
I have really wondered if Cobra was getting too close to the truth of Ron’s involvement in this case, and TN lured him into a setup that someone lost their nerve and didn’t carry out.
I think alot of the confusion that comes from following this case stems from LE not wanting the truth out there until they are ready. I think we are going to be surprised by many things that will be coming out at trial. We have been amazed at what all LE had on Casey Anthony, and it will probably be the same with Haleigh’s case.
Goodmorning evryone. I agree with all who have watched the clip with TN. Karon I thought then it was because Cobra was getting too close. Did CathyJo find the link? If not I know where to find it.
Cricket said,in May 31st, 2010 at 8:44 am Mrsm,
That was a call about Haleigh missing
at 2:17am from Tommy’s house. a little
more than hour before the one that was
called from Ron’s house
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Really Cricket? I thought they were there about the dog and Misty didn’t find Haleigh missing until 3:00? Boy, am I lost!
Karon I agree with your post 100% @9:38am
CathyJoe if you go back an read This dymphna or how ever you spell the name.
If you look at the 10:20pm comment .You will see those are the same words one of the person attacking you the other day .Its the same words.Almost to a tee.I believe its the same person from yesterday,or the day before.Wording is tooooo close.
Get the show host to check the IP to the others who attacted you recently,an see if one of theres a match to this person. this person.
Goodmorning Looking for Justice and everyone else! I think one thing we can gather from this latest tape is that LC thinks ToC was over helping Misty the night HC went missing. She believes he lied to her and said he wasn’t there, and LC told LE that she knew ToC was home all night. ToC keeps asking her where she is getting her information. Apparently, ToC’s lawyer and LE are talking to MC. I think we can follow something of what LE believes that happened that night. They believe that ToC helped MC get rid of Haleigh’s body. I think it is odd, if true, that they only asked him that one question on the LDT. I wonder if that was all ToC’s lawyer would allow him to be asked?
Dreamfinder said,in May 31st, 2010 at 6:56 am What was his name?
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I’m not sure it happened at school, but his name was Jeremy Miller, and Misty was more like 12 IIRC, and I also thought he was her b/f at the time. Lisa pressed charges, it also involved drugs and he took a plea deal. Lisa rec’d money from the state to help with Misty’s psychological care and instead of helping Misty sent her to Michigan and spent the money.
Becky
LT Johnny Greenwood did a interview Gainesville Sun reporter don’t remember
her last name but Lise is her first, and the timeline starts at 2:17am
I’ll go and try to find it I’ve been looking
at old video’s. I hear a lot things I didn’t
The first time.
LadieSadie and Itsmekelly, That sounds like a very good theory. I have stuck with the OD theory for a long time, but I do try to stay open minded to the other avenues. I personally ruled out he Sheffields/Griffis due to all the chaos on the Cummings/Croslins along with their behaviors. This is a theory where the little that we know makes sense.
Thanks for the follow up Whylie. 🙂
Hadn’t heard that before.
Thanks for the info Whylie. Hadn’t heard that before.
I just found this Donna Brock phone call audio. Has anyone else heard this one?
http://audio.thesky973.com/m/audio/29736087/donna-brock-jail-call-2-2-9-10.htm?pageid=28469
Becky,
The reporter was Lise Fisher Gainesville
Sun. Lt Johnny Greenwood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmq4K7ejIyg&playnext_from=TL&videos=hnhtz1U16ro
Thank you Just One, it no wonder why she is so messed up.
DF- your quite welcome.
Can anyone tell me what llRC means ?
TIA
IIRC = If I remember correctly
Thanks Cricket
good morning..
beautiful here in southern california..
God bless haleigh and the troops..
FAKE search
Good morning OJ…I’ll second that…God Bless Haleigh and the troops! Pretty day in Maryland too…hotter than a fritter!
Treece,
I’ve seen this several times but never could figure it out.
Thank you!
sheriff hardy’s career is kaput..
there he was setting up and entrapping misty while his own son was manufacturing and trafficing meth! I hope hes happy destroying the croslins cause he brought down his own house of cards too..what a joke!
haleigh’s granfather and grandmother were both employed by florida LE..can you imagine the good old boy mentality of the bubbas and yahoos who work for the police force? OMG heaven help the innocent!
They will fill the prisons this summer with all the dealers going down and away.
Side note: I see casey anthony has a court date tomorrow.
donna brock phone call on the sky973.com..
I haven’t heard it before, don’t know if its new or not.
Misty may be innocent in the fact that she was not the one who caused Haleighs demise, but she is guilty of helping cover up what happened to this child. Who knows she may fear that whoever is behind this can reach her behind bars! Misty is not afraid of Joe. In the Tape of Misty and her dad. Misty says she should of just stayed in Tenn. This was Oct 2009 very close to Joe Overstreet. Why would she stay so close to the one she says she most afraid of especially she is that afraid of him so many miles away? Misty had already pointed her finger at Joe and said he had raped her when she was there in Tenn. Misty did not fear Joe. JMO
poor donna brock..played with fire and got burnt..she was a real big shot giving the double finger in that group picture..
Oj I agree
donna brock cannot be innocent – she is still talkin bad about tim miller. she was addicted to the pills too.
Wonder How Many Years Sheriff Hardys son will get hmmm
I wonder when Sky93 snuck that one in there
I’ve never heard it before.
All I can find is the old tape where Donna says she is not the bad guy…where is this new one, please?
theres a link to it at 10:59am
Thank you
TrotlineDesigns said,in May 31st, 2010 at 4:12 am Well, as usual I was sleeping during all of the drama on BNN
CathyJo.. sorry the troll and the snake shook you up. Stand strong lil’ lady.
We have a big python problem here in the everglades and a few months ago we hunted them and that is when I got the photo.
My sunsets and sunrises and flower macros are my favorite.
As for the link to the TN video about the snake.. Why do I feel like the only snake in the woods that day was TN herself? Even Cobra (I am no fan of Cobra) felt duped by TN that day. Does that strike you as odd too? I think she and Ron are hip deep in all of this and while I can’t stand Misty I don’t think she is involved in the Haleigh case other than being passed out the night she was taken.
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Trotline,I have always been skeptical,no i take that back…I have always been “very” skeptical of the Snakes and Hogpens video Of TN! I will believe till the day I die there was more to that!
If I’d seen a snake I’d have been on Cobra’s back so quick he wouldn’t have known what happened and screaming my head off and Cobra would be deaf today,”Guarantee ya” A cobra is a snake too so maybe it was that snake she saw? LoL J/k but seriously there was and i will always believe there was something sinister to that video!
I heard someone say that the guy that lived in that lil trailer out there shot people just for walking on his property period and I noticed TN nervously stood way back and was looking around like there was something she was supposed to see?? Just by her actions? ya know!
As for the troll,foul mouthed,disgusting troll, I think it may have been MOO,I dunno but I almost changed my nic to TrollMagnet today but I wouldn’t feel right,Toldya I ain’t wired right,LoL
where is the info that the 2 AM call from Tommy’s was about a missing child??????????????????????
where can i see this video of TN?
ill get the snakes and hogpens one,brb MrsM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FNufl4noQI
SNAKES AND HOGPENS~
Did both links post MrsM??
who is this incredibly unsupportive, self-centered person that donna brock is speaking to on this phone call ? my goodness, could he possibly be any more “helpful” (not)? i mean, with support like that, why does she even bother calling ? geez…
Jan57 are you still here????????
I thought sommin last night but i couldn’t keep my mind on it,i thought the comments had been deleted too?? ill look now tho!
hi *cj* ~ thought just occurred to me:
if it was MOO/stephanie last night…wouldn’t she have “already known” your story (considering the fact that she claims to be “psychic”) ? lmao…
Sorry I just don’t believe a grandma in sandals could “out run” Cobra, his son, camera man or whoever else was on his team, through those woods. The only way they could have lost sight of TN is if they stopped and she kept going. She was in front of them for goodness sakes. How could they not keep up with her. Not like she hauled a** through the woods to escape them.
Trotline,
Teresa N. sure never took Cobra out there
for the reason she claimed but what hell
was it for. She stood there like you said
looking around like a little chipmunk. but
she would been crazy trying to set Cobra
up and what for what.
Trotline,
Teresa N. sure never took Cobra out there
for the reason she claimed but what hell
was it for. She stood there like you said
looking around like a little chipmunk. but
she would been crazy trying to set Cobra
up and what for what.
where?
lol *whylie*
good point!
yes tough but if she was psychic why didn’t she know yall’d gang up on her,rofl and jan would ban her hinie?
right Cricket,it makes me wonder!
Tough,I never seen all of us attack one troll,it was like clash of the trolls man,rofl
hahaha *cj* ! so true.
mrs m,they didn’t post????????????
lindsay is mad he blew her alibi for him. it had to be after the LDT …she said ..and you couldnt even tell the truth about that….and she said…you should have been home with your wife and kids….has to be about the LDT….and tommy had to have “admitted” he’d been with misty
or at least at the MH if not “with” misty
toughcookie said,in May 31st, 2010 at 2:12 pm hi *cj* ~ thought just occurred to me:
if it was MOO/stephanie last night…wouldn’t she have “already known” your story (considering the fact that she claims to be “psychic”) ? lmao…
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Thats true too but like OJ and Jason i believe said,they prolly mixed the story up to badger me with it?
Tick me off and they succeeded,I don’t care what ppl think or say as long as its true and it aint what somebody calls ya,its whatcha answer to but that numb skull ain’t worth salt in her cornbread if she know what cornbread is! shewwwwwww
post where? here? not that i see
Mrsm,
sorry it’s a Art Harris tape we can’t
put it on here.
Mrsm,
sorry it’s a Art Harris tape we can’t
put it on here.
right *cj* ~
i just had to laugh tho’ thinking on her antics awhile back, where she was talking about being some big psychic, helping with casey’s, and other cases.
that was the same time period where she posted as a man looking for herself…lol. and *jan* caught that one and tossed her off the board…
oh brother…! 😀
which one is arts? TN?
i noticed too the person who went off on me the other day hasn’t been back,well with her reg nic anyway and it kinda sounded like that person,the one who wanted the argument to get restarted?
so i dunno but its hard to trust the new nics for me now,ya know……..I have to really know and trust ppl to tell anything about me and then BAM!
I didn’t even wanna think it was Jaba,very unfair to her if it wasn’t but how do we know and ya can’t ban a blackberry i heard? and both were texas/ And i may have jumped the gun because of that but how do ya know who to trust and to be honest.not to be mean to Jaba…it seems everything she says to OJ is a putdown so i coupled that with the other 2 things and i wondered???
none is baldies! Mrsm
mrsM,i lied,it is arts right guys,snakes and hogpens?
wheww,sorry Mrsm,dunno how i forgot that!
Lord yes tough,Moo got to all of us,feeding us lies like she was kin to the investigaots or some crap,That night i figured out she was in here as 2 ppl,OMGGGGGGGG I wanted to grab her by the hair of the head!
dam cant find it on arts site either
I don’t get how ppl can come HERE and do that stupid crap!
zillionssssssssss of blogs and they come here to play games!
wait mrsm,ill repost links,you just put them together cause if i do they wont post,k
remember that tape of cobra and Teresa is just a few mins of edited tape out of over an hour and Art was being paid by Kim as a paid media consultant for Crystal. Just sayin’
right Vaq,I remember now,lol
kk i found the tape…..but what in the world was THIS all a bout i dont get it???????????
i know *cj*
its always hard to really get a sense of trust online…never really know what a person’s true character is. its easy for those who aren’t honest to play games, since we can’t see them, or know their true names.
just have to use our best gut instinct with new people, until we get to “know” them (lol), and be supported by those we already feel are truly good and honest.
*its all good*
toughcookie said,in May 31st, 2010 at 2:30 pm right *cj* ~
i just had to laugh tho’ thinking on her antics awhile back, where she was talking about being some big psychic, helping with casey’s, and other cases.
that was the same time period where she posted as a man looking for herself…lol. and *jan* caught that one and tossed her off the board…
oh brother…!
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bet she found herself then,rofl
omggggg Cricket,I forgot!!!!!
Exactly vaquera, how much of that “tape” was cut out.
TN was out searching an area that she was told to search by a friend. She heard noises and ran out of the woods. Cobra found her at the store parking lot crying. He asked her what was wrong and she told him. Cobra then offered to go search with her. At no time did TN ask Cobra or coerce him into going into the woods with her. He offered his help, she accepted.
That tape that was put out by AH, IMO, was just one more part of the circus that sadly overshadowed finding a missing baby.
last thing i wanna do is cause Jan more work,
She came in last night,that late to help us get ridda miss thang and it’s a shame she had too but that to me was amazing!
right Guys but i am saying no matter what was on it,TN still looked very nervous and pacing and stood way back and she ran off and even Cobra suspected they were up to no good,so if i saw the whole thing,I’d prolly still see those things,lol allz i’ma sayin’
right Tough,If she’d came into a room where yall didn’t know me well by then,I’d have lost it! you know me! shewwww have ppl believing that garbage!
CJ I must have missed the part where TN ran off. I will rewatch it in a bit.
lol good one *cj* !
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i posted this ???? above…but want to ask again:
does anybody know who that is that *donna brock* is speaking to on that phone call ??
is that supposed to be a boyfriend, or ???
i thought this guy was incredibly self-centered. this doesn’t mean i’m backing her for her crime….not at all. but in this audio i hear a very scared girl (much different tone from the jail visit with her mom). and all this guy seems to do is down her more, and whine about his own life on the outside…
not to mention telling her he “hates (her) for that” (regarding his receiving a phone call from levi page).
geez…
jmo
Tough but i did think,Maybe somebody don’t want me to write Misty?
remember she kept saying,thats ridiculous,how can you help misty? and all that other stuff about misty and then she said first misty was innocent,then she wasn’t,lol oj caught that?
so did TN “lure” cobra out there to set someone up? what was the whole point??
mrsm,just type in search box snakes and hogpens!
cobra said on the tape she called him to come and he called her back when she ran!
he said,she got me out here??
“Vaq” Well I just learned something new….. AH was on Kim P’s payroll? Seriously?? I knew Cobra was… I am surprised AH posted the bar complaint filed by the Sheffield and Kim’s response.. I am not doubting you, just really surprised I had absolutely no idea!! Can you please direct to me to that info, obviously I need to do some more reading!! 🙂
different opinions Mrsm,but i think for no good! if she lives in florida,goes to the woods for 4 hrs,why the hello is she even wearing sandals? jmo tho..
everybody knows there are alot of snakes in fl,and everybody knows snakes are around hogpens too!! especially hogpens!
yes *cj* ~ i believe that was some of *oj’s*
good detective work.
also, you have a good point that she very well may not want you writing to misty (don’t know why???). i think for the most part tho’, whoever that person is is simply jealous of the repoire you have with all here, and with your good detective work as well, always being able to seek out the info everyone needs.
today’s a brand new day tho’ ~ hope its a *great* one for ya!!
and i have never understood the reason for the fake search everyone is talking about
These people have lived in this little town for generations they know everyone and everything that goes on. My hubbies family has been in our small town for generations and same thing. You can bet GGSykes knows almost everything that goes on down there. Also Rons dad hangs out at the local bars, alot gets said in those places.jmo
You have to go back to the reason TN was in the woods searching. You can’t just take half of the story and expect it to make sense.
TN was TOLD Haleigh was in those woods, underground, in a cage. SHE went searching as each of us would do, hopefully.
On the tape you can see she is crying, she is upset, Cobra asks her why, she tells him, he offers to go search with her.
Nothing sinister on her part. She was just accepting help to find her grandbaby, of course it managed to get all twisted into something evil. TH
bbl daughters here
i know this is not the popular opinion here, so please don’t slam me 😉
but i just have never had a real good feeling about *cobra*. something about him doesn’t sit well with me. i don’t really feel he’s credible or trustworthy…so i’m not real convinced of anything he says as far as that deal with TN and himself out in the woods.
just my own opinion
it was my understanding tns people kept filing charges on cobra to get him out of there.i wonder if something was going on with ron about rm being hc dad.than theres another high up rms brother cm working for the pros.i wonder also on the lva test misty took where she was asked if ron had anything to do with his daughter missing,she said no he loves his daughter and that came up inaccurate why? dang i have alot of diff things going on here sorry.
*cj* your 2:49
my 2:58
actually, i stand corrected…
it was actually *jason* & his “steel-toed boots” (lol) that noticed the discrepancy in the “troll’s” posts.
good detective work *jason*
I was just reading and catching up on some posts and I have a quick question. Tommy harps on the relevant question in his mind on the LDTs about being present at the MH that night per Ron’s request. He first says no early on in the investigation and then recants and places himself there (if I recall correctly). So wouldn’t he answer “Yes” to that question on the LDT? Remember he said Joe is the perpetrator of the crime so “yes” would be the obvious answer. Lindsy saying he can’t even get that right, means he probably proved deceptive on that question. Now tell me if Tommy was not at the MH or with Lindsy (could be the reason why she was so upset because she has no clue where her husband was at or with who) then where the hell was Tommy that night? No one can account for Tommy’s whereabouts, even his own wife. I just wonder if Tommy was up to his late night shenanigans of his B and Es that night, and he is not willing to confess to it to anyone. JMO
*simon* has a new post !!
Robin, very likely Tommy was out doing a B&E, and was probably doing it on Green Lane.
I think him not passing on that question depends on exactly how they worded it. If they asked him if he was banging on the door and he said yes and that showed deception, then that still doesn’t mean he wasn’t at the mh.
I do not trust that Tommy is not involved in whatever happened to Haleigh.
sorry WhyLie, i never saw that tape or anything about it before….never heard about Haleigh being in a cage…..
CJo,
I told you more than once it was not me. And, yeah I am going to ‘put down’ someone who accuses me of saying the vile things that were said to you, you would too, right?
sotrue said,
in May 31st, 2010 at 3:04 pm
it was my understanding tns people kept filing charges on cobra to get him out of there.i wonder if something was going on with ron about rm being hc dad.than theres another high up rms brother cm working for the pros.i wonder also on the lva test misty took where she was asked if ron had anything to do with his daughter missing,she said no he loves his daughter and that came up inaccurate why? dang i have alot of diff things going on here sorry
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No charges were filed by any of TNs people.The theft charges go back to Kim and some money that cobra used/didn’t use to bail NayNay/Amber out of jail. If there were charges filed outside of the 2 he was charged with it would be on the court records and it’s not.
I forgot who asked but Kim admitted she paid Art to make Crystal look better, it’s in the bar complaint rebuttal.
vaq thanks for another version thanks are so confussed,,on podcast interview with cobra sep 20,2009 this is what he said..cob discusses events going on “behind the scenes”involving himself which led him to being arrested,multiple police reports against cobra where there where no arrests,with claims he was tampering with evidence or obstructing the investagation,and tn and her contacts wanting cobra out of town by filing complaints against him
jaba said,in May 31st, 2010 at 5:25 pm CJo,
I told you more than once it was not me. And, yeah I am going to ‘put down’ someone who accuses me of saying the vile things that were said to you, you would too, right?
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No Jaba,you took it wrong,thats not what i meant???????
I mean in the way that you two shouldn’t talk to one another if ya keep it going,you or him,not just you,but i notice its back and fro so when i heard blackberry,texas,and thought of that too,but i might be wrong and you’d know it if you will read 2 posts of mine after that one?
I do not not suspect you now,thats allz i was saying,i didn’t have any meaness in my statement …….. but i guess i’m just to honest or something and you can’t see my mood when i post???? sorry you took it wrong!
I meant,It confused me into thinking it was you because of those 3 things together!
And after hs did that crap to me,the D,it made me become mistrusting to share here and that makes me sad!
Were either Tommy or Timmy’s steel-toed boots “squeaky shoes” as JR said he heard when someone took Haleigh? Is that why Lindsay made a point of telling TC she got rid of the shoes? Just a thought
I agree with you Looking for justice, Misty is not afraid of Joe, she likes to run her own show. She met her match when she met Ron. I don’t believe anything any of them say. If they say Haleigh died at the MH, think the opposite, remember”look away”…Misty has alot of Dirt on Tommy. I hope ground searches resume for this precious baby. Were searches ever done at any construction sites in the area?
poor dog
Does anyone have a link to this tape that has it in a .wma or some other format besides .mp4 ? I’d sure like to hear it.
sotrue said,in May 31st, 2010 at 3:04 pm it was my understanding tns people kept filing charges on cobra to get him out of there.i wonder if something was going on with ron about rm being hc dad.than theres another high up rms brother cm working for the pros.i wonder also on the lva test misty took where she was asked if ron had anything to do with his daughter missing,she said no he loves his daughter and that came up inaccurate why? dang i have alot of diff things going on here sorry.
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Well, I’m sure this has crossed quite a few minds, but I for one tend to think RC is likely Haleigh’s father, because the only other resemblance I can see in the pictures that she had, besides to her mother, is a resemblance to Ron’s mother Teresa. It does appear (to me) that Ron may have been running around doing DNA tests on his ex’s children (e.g. Amber’s son). In my opinion.
I have tried every which way to listen to this tape and for some reason I can’t get it to play. Never had the prob on any other tapes. Can someone please post a link I can use? Please, it’s making me crazy : )
We sent info on to Putnam County. CALL THEM. INFO WENT TO THEM AS WELL AS THE SITE CALLED: SCARED MONKEYS MISSING PERSONS SITE”. Our post’s were not posted.
Check it out.
I can’t get the video to play either! It’s torturing me! help!!!!!
J, nothing like a court document to pull the cobwebs off the truth.. Huh.. 3 years probation and her counter part, I will leave inital’s only JJL.. was arrested and charged also.. And there are those close to the family that released the info that it was a large underground dwelling.. Is that true or a rumor, I don’t know if we will ever be told… But, it was in Putnam.. down the road a few years like about 2002 there was another big bust of an undergrown dwelling…. same location different people.. don’t know, only different people are listed…
The “link” works fine, but it does take several minutes to fully download and then it will start automatically.
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