I was going though my files today, and I have to admit that when data is hitting you 8 ways to Sunday some information gets missed. What seemed unimportant many months ago, might actually be important today.
The conversations are with Ronald Cummings, and they occurred shortly after Haleigh Cummings disappeared. They might not solve the case, but they do make for interesting listening. The seemingly inconsequential question of who picked up Haleigh from the bus stop should now have an answer.
There are also references to Cousin Joe Overstreet and his thoughts about the perfect place to dump a body. Oh, don’t get me wrong, I am not trying to pin this on Cousin Joe, rather I think this was an early attempt by Ronald Cummings to mislead investigators.
The audio quality is poor, and I have no plans on spending my weekend trying to filter out the background noise. My advice is listen to them with the volume up high and maybe try it a couple of times.
The one thing I do know is that these tapes have not been released to any organization other than BNN.
WARNING STRONG LANGUAGE
I may have some other audio that is interesting, I am looking for them this evening.
Simon Barrett
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I’ve got plenty to say about them, grrrrr!!!
Thanks Simon… what about those jailhouse tapes that you were supposed to receive this past week (I think you had said Tuesday they would be posted)….
I think listenting to those for the time period leading up to Tommy’s LDT, and hearing the dynamics in the conversations between Tommy and Lindsey and Misty and Hank could prove very interesting!
Thanks Simon!
Jesus Tommy was fishing down there with Austin and Joe and it was like lake Placid and Tommy said he needed to get his kid out of there and Joe said it would be the perfect place to kill someone.
Cahreeepy.
Great job, thanks!
Maybe. Maybe it wasn’t said at all. It’s not them speaking on the recordings, just others speaking of what they might have said, imo.
Cathartic – These are the real meal deal. The recordings came from the person that made them. It should not take a PHD to figure out who that might be.
And the answer on the Jail tapes, sorry, but we have been a little preoccupied with keeping up with the breaking news. We will get those tape loaded as soon as we can, but I made the decision to put our resources into the ‘here and right now’.
So the van in question was impounded. Timmy up at one and Joe wasn’t there.
this is good stuff, simon.
Cathartic do you mean, maybe Tommy never told Ron that story?
So Joe also made the comment that he would get Ronald back.
Tommy is placed with Joe because of a fishing trip they took. Joe driving the van had to have taken Tommy home.
What time did they return from their fishing trip? Anyone have a clue?
Sounds like alot of crow eating is going to be going on.Cobra knew all along who did this.I would love to watch Cobra on Nancy Grace LOL .If I was him. I would be worse than cindy on TV only Cobra has the truth on tape sindy has only lies lies Not makeing money off a baby but let the truth be known.GET some feathers on your wall Cobra and a BIG cowboy hat.Nancy will be calling.I can’t stand to think how this baby has been treated for 5 years of her life.I think TN and AS is scared of ronnie boy JMO
THANK YOU
So RC picked Haleigh up from the bus stop that faithful day, and put her on his lap and she steered home.
That Timmy woke up at 1:00 a.m. and his van & Joe were both gone… hmmm…
thanks simon you da man
Yeah, sounds as if Cobra knew early on.
Can Joe say “lethal injection”?
I know who is speaking on the tapes, but they are referring to things OTHER PEOPLE supposedly said. That’s what I meant when I said *maybe* the person said it, and maybe not. Nope…I’m just not ready yet to believe RC is an honest dude.
YES! BA! I mean, just because Ronald said something are we to believe it? Not saying it isn’t so…I said *maybe* he lies, too!
Wonder what they are testing besides the cinder blocks that will take two weeks to get results back before arrests?
Why does Staubs always talk like Boomhauer from King of the Hill. I can’t dang dan figur’ what he san sayin’ know what i mean dang dere nabbit.. tell ya what’. (add a few mo’fo’s in there)
… with the noise on top there ain’t nothing there.. it’s all heresay!
Simon, would you ask Cobra the date/s these recordings were taped?
TIA
I like you Mel22, he is forever over-talking people, irritaing! Cathartic I understand what you are saying… I don’t believe much of what Ron says… besides his loving his children!
And even that, BA, is questionable. He didn’t love them enough to put their best interests first, imo.
All I was trying to say was take what any of them say with a grain of salt. RC is no more honorable than the rest of them, imo. Look how many tapes we have of the others lying through their teeth. I believe RC could have an agenda for the same reasons as anyone else might–self-serving.
JMO
I really want to know if they are all still in jail. The option to search has been removed from SJSO site.
is that cobra?
sure doesn’t sound like his voice on the bnn broadcast.
so basically tape 1 is —Ron sayin’ that Tommy said that JO said’—- ok now the courts don’t play double heresay
so far the only good lead is Timmy waking up at 1:00 and seeing JO not there and the van not there… thats a decent lead… still heresay but could be easily coroborrated by LE asking Timmy
I really feel for Ronald and his family
cathartic said, in April 17th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
I know who is speaking on the tapes, but they are referring to things OTHER PEOPLE supposedly said. That’s what I meant when I said *maybe* the person said it, and maybe not. Nope…I’m just not ready yet to believe RC is an honest dude.
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Thank you for saying this. Now all of a sudden we are supposed to take RC word as the truth?
Even Simon stated above that he believes this was a ploy to throw off investigators and have them look at Joe early on.
This solidifies my belief that not only is Ron involved, he knew what happened to Haleigh all along and is in on the frame Joe conspiracy.
If he loved his children he wouldnt have been putting them in danger. He sales drugs, he buys them he still puts his children in danger.I do not believe that he is so innocent at all. Till other wise. I believe he is involved with it as much as the rest of them are.
I have been reading all of your posts on the various threads here at BNN for a week. Everyone has such elaborate theories of what has happened in this case. I am thankful to have this website to read. Mr Barrett seems to be doing his best to keep Haleigh’s memory and case alive.
I do not for one minute believe nor have I ever believed that Ron is any kind of victim in his daughter’s disappearance nor do I believe anything that comes out of the criminal mouths of the Croslin clan, From Granny Flo down to MC the brothers and their wives as well. I only hope Haleigh can be justified in the end.
Just another vote here for releasing the Misty and family jail tapes to us as soon as you can. Knowing what we now know after this crazy week and hearing those tapes from St Johns might indeed be more than only interesting.
You guys have really gone the extra 10 miles this week for us. Thanks again.
Also thank you for the Ron recordings.
Cathartic, the SJ site might not be fully functional because parts of it were hacked, and fraudelent acts ocurred (according to news I read the other day).
TY Jason, I just found an article about that.
Simon Thanks for the audios, for some reason I can’t get them open …anyone else having that problem 🙂
Wow ! Ron knew of this location from the very beginning ?! Very interesting…..The pieces of the puzzle are starting to go together and the picture is definately becoming clearer and taking shape.Thank you for sharing Simon.I hope LE have these recordings too. This is VERY important dialogue going one here (IMO)..Thank god Cobra records everything
Mel22 said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
so basically tape 1 is —Ron sayin’ that Tommy said that JO said’—- ok now the courts don’t play double heresay
so far the only good lead is Timmy waking up at 1:00 and seeing JO not there and the van not there… thats a decent lead… still heresay but could be easily coroborrated by LE asking Timmy
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When Chelsea first told the story she said they stayed up late to work on the insurance papers, till around 1, I believe.Friday night she said Timmy took some pain meds since he was in a wreck and went to bed early, so which is it? Also we thought she lived in Crescent City which is around 14 miles away but Friday night she said they lived 3 miles away.
at the 1:59 min on the 911 call Misty says “oh my gun, is it home?”
I find it strange that Ronald would go find his stolen gun in a ditch and to protect Tommy took it home and sprayed and cleaned it. Why would he protect Tommy if he thought his gun was used.
Then near the end Ron says something…Tommy find f’ng Joe.
On the 911 tape that is
I find this and Pat Brown to be over the top. IMHO Crystal, Ronald, & their families have nothing to do with this. I also believe had Misty not encountered Joe, Tommy, and or both that night Haleigh Cummings would be alive and unharmed. I don’t know if Joe is responsible and I won’t speculate on that. I knew from the get go Tommy was full of BS. I have heard people saying and the profiler Brown that it does not make sense someone would do this to a child, take a child and commit this heinous crime for vengeance over being humiliated. IMHO that is looking at it through the eyes of a sane mind not the type of mind that is wired the way it would need to be to commit a crime like that. I once heard of a man that every time he had a dispute with someone he would go into rants about getting even. His rants always included descriptive violent acts on the persons wife, daughter etc and always sexually related of raping them and then beating them. To him that was revenge but he also sought power through violence, sex, and control. To my understanding there was an incident where he was asked to watch a parrot for a friend and told not to drink around it. He got drunk and harassed the bird and it bit him through his thumb nail, he killed the bird by slamming it into a wall. When the man came to retrieve his bird and learned it was dead he flipped on the man in front of people and hit him in the head. The one that was hit set out to get even and found out his daughters school route home and attempted to abduct her but failed because she changed schools. He planned to rape her and leave her in a ditch with her pants pulled down as some sort of final statement. Yet in public he never showed that side of himself, he was very social, charismatic and well liked. There is no way of telling by looking at a person. The revenge would seem like it was over the being hit for killing the bird but I don’t think it’s revenge, seems to me it is more a thing of taking back power and in a mind like that that is how it gets power, one has to see it through those eyes. There are a lot of possibilities here including the latest is all BS in some desperate attempt to get out of jail, there has to be facts there has to be proof.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
what I always found strange was when ron was told that someone came in the house and took his daughter the first thing he would think would be who would take her and that person would be her MOTHER took her he was in a custody battle with her he never called her that night and said did you take her ron never sent the cops there to check if her mom took her BECAUSE he knew no one took her. I always knew ron was involved when ron and Missy were being interviewed on good morning America Missy was asked did you lie to police she turned red and said yes she was then asked why did you lie she turned and looked right at ron for help there was a long pause ron said I dont know nothing I was at work and Missy said I dont know why I lied I herd an FBI pro filer say ron is in on this whole mess last night remember Missy stated calling her mother to come baby sit Hailey for her she was pleading she did not want to be there that night Missy NEVER did that before how strange. and if I was ron and I was innocent I would have got Missy alone an chocked the truth out of her not married her lieing hillbilly ass
Chelsea said the “she” was working on insurance papers.. there was a wreck.. i think the same one where Croslin SR was in hosp from the wreck… Timmy was with him, Timmy went to bed on pain meds from the wreck the day before.
I think all along they knew Joe was a main suspect.. the thing is to just sit back and keep eye on things he does out of character.. down the road they could see how much internet activity he has on the case.. assuming he know how to work a computer.. leading to this.. they know misty and hank jr know alot .. it didnt really take long to crack them.. with all the gossip and family fued.. you know the cops really needed the conversations from jail .
This information on this web site the conversations tell some very relevant things to the case… however if ronald suspected Joe..did the cops just take it in and not publicly say alot about joe just to keep an eye on this.. remember we do not think like the cops.. I mean they have a method and if it takes months or years to have a SOLID case then EVERYTHING they did is for a good reason… this is what they have been waiting for.. there will more to come but at least they have more pieces to the puzzle to begin to fit additional solid into to it…they have no way at all released anything they dont want us to know… in fact some of the tidbits they have released now.. will perhaps get someone else to start to peice together about anything they have said along the way (misty ronald tommy and joe and anyone else in that family… they will keep talking.. i think now they are gonna be letting out more and more ifo and the very talkative grandmother(s) and eventually rons mom will talk sje just acts very odd about his.. not alot of tears and eveyone always seem to answer very vauge
Audio #2: Further proof that if ROn’s lips are moving….he’s lying!
Ron:”I don’t get high, naw man….I don’t get high” LMAO…..
More proof of their lies to come!
Every time I would watch missey talking from jail I would laugh at how dumb she was- talking about how she getting out soon she will be good- never do nothing wrong this dumb ass aint ever getting out — and the reason she was able to keep the seckret so long was she was in on the whole thing and one thing about missey she is a survivor she looks out for #1 she always had to
would antone take there valuable time to provide a brief transcript or synopsis of what’s sad in these tapes, please. cell phone audio is roght to say the least, thanks in advance!
Will any transcripts be published for Statement Analysis?
Tommy says Joe talked of putting a body in the river and was soooo creeped out yet he goes out with him that night to get high and get Ron’s gun? Why did Lindsay throw away his work boots and says he can never be out of bed more than 30 minutes or she wakes up? Tommy’s always involved in every incident and inserting himself into everything even making his Grandma think she “broke him down”. How does Tommy know that Joe used a block and yellow rope. Joe won’t talk to anyone about it, but he’d tell Tommy? Even Chelsea and Timmy are telling conflicting stories about Joe.
I noticed on one of these tapes that RC said they never let MC drive that van. MC said she drives the kids and one of her nephews to school on days when RC needs to sleep. Also, different people reported MC taking the kids to school, so I wonder what she was driving. Or is RC lying? He made it sound like he takes his kids to school and picks them up from school.
Audio one
Ron mentions a Joseph Edward Overstreet, Cobra asked him if Ron if he was 75% sure Joe had something to do with it. Ron says, no I have no idea.
Cobra mentions that he heard that Ron has been knocking off drug dealers, Ron said no man. Cobra asked him if Ron brought this dram to his house, and Ron said no man. Cobra asked Ron about drug dealers that Ron knows. If they had a rift with any of them. Ron said no man, they don’t even know where I live. The only people that know where I live is Joe E. O., Nay Nay, and the Croslin family.
The conversation then goes on to Misty and WBG.
Nay Nay took Misty to have sex with WBG at Stokes landing. Misty told Ron about it. Ron then said, yeah he got married what does that have to do with his F’n daughter going missing.
Then there is talk about a drug dealer Orlando and heroin, Cobra ask Ron if he used it, that Ron didn’t look like someone that was scared of needles, Ron said no man I am not, but I am not tracking you can check my butt.
He then goes on and says that this Orlando is heavy on the drugs and people keep confusing this Orlando with his best friend Orlando.
The other Orlando is a drug dealer, Ron’s friend Orlando is not a drug dealer, he is Ron’s friend.
Cobra then says, Ron your not no F’n big drug dealer Ron. Ron says, man I use to.
Then there is talk about what someone told Jr.? Not sure what Jr. Cobra is talking about. Maybe Tommy (Hank Jr.?).
Tommy, his son and Joe were fishing at the dock it got dark and they left.
Ron then starts talking about who was at the dock fishing and it got dark. Tommy tells Ron that he had to leave and got his son out of there.
Ron then says that Joe said this would be the perfect place to kill somebody and dump the body and the alligators would take care of the rest.
Ron ask Cobra, do you think that is where my daughter is at? Ron answers his own question and tells Cobra probably.
Cobra says he has called LE-FDLE about this and they won’t call him back and there is nothing he can really do at that time.
Again, Ron said do you think that is where my daughters at, (St.John’s River)probably. Why was this river not searched thoroughly early on?
Simon, thank you so much for sharing these audios! See ya at 4PM at blogtalk radio!
Audio two (It is really hard to understand what is being said about the gun. Did my best writing down what I think I heard.)
Ron says he knows where Joe is at, Cobra says..yeah I know where he is at and his people are following him. Ron comes back and says, yeah he is at xxxx TN.
Ron talks about getting high?…Cobra says I am not talking about getting high.
Cobra starts out by saying that he knows daddy’s don’t kill their babies, mommy’s do. That he is checking everyone else out except for Ron. He dose not believe Ron had anything to do with it.
Joe is on the top of Cobra’s list. Ron talks about his piece (gun).
Ron said that the first night that Joe came into town Joe stole his piece. The first time he met him.
On Joe’s 3 visit to FL: Ron said, I went straight out to the ditch to put it in the ditch, then went and retrieved it?
Ron said, I went straight down to the ditch/culvert and I figured if the law find them he can get in trouble, went to the culvert retrieved the piece, took it home cleaned it .
Ron said if it’s on his premises he (Joe) could get in trouble. Cobra said who you? Ron said no, he. That is why I (Ron) went to retrieve it.
Ron talks about how if they found it on his premises that it will come back to him?
Ron said the same piece (gun) that FDLE has right now.
Sounds to me that maybe Ron hid the piece knowing Joe was back in town, and later came back to retrieve it. What dose not make sense is why would this piece be so important? It does not make sense that Joe would just come down to FL to steal Ron’s gun. Something is very fishy about Ron’s gun.
Cobra tells Ron he is there for him..to help find Haleigh, he is not there for the media or money. He is there on his own money..he has 5 children. Yadda Yadda.
Ron starts talking about CS and the custody and what they are talking about over there. (At the Sheffield’s camp, I assume?)
Ron mentions that he has his custody papers in the car, Cobra said he doesn’t care about no custody..he is there to help find the child. Custody is their business not his.
Audio three
Cobra asked Ron what van Misty drove. That Ron came speeding by asking where his girl was at. Ron is very adimant that Misty did not drive that van..that he was the one to take and pick up Haleigh and who ever said differnt can suck his xxxx (sic). Ron said Misty never had that van…
Ron said he dropped Haleigh off and he picked her up. That Haleigh was sitting on his lap, that Haleigh turned the left blinker on when they turned on the dirt road, that she steered the car home, that she knows how to turn the right blinker on when they are turning right. He then got out of the car gave Haleigh, misty, Jr. a hug and a kiss and left for work.
Cobra asked Ron about what he said on the 911 call asking Misty..Bch who you let come in here and get my kid..
Ron said he just wanted to know is if she had something to do with it. Cobra asked about the door.
Ron mentioned that if you look on the internet you can look up about the bump lock.
The tape has been redacted IMO, it is of my opinion that there is something here that we can’t listen to at this time. I am OK with that though.
Cobra isn’t going on NG. He is staying away from this case. I don’t blame him. Of course he knew who the “main players” were in this sad story, but he could not say anything or he would have been in worse trouble.
I honestly believe Ron had NOTHING to do with any of this. However, how could he not know something living with Misty this whole time??
If I had a hint of what I thought might be a lead in my child’s disaperance, I would be right on it. So I am confused with Ron. Has he known and kept his mouth shut??
As far as the night Haleigh went missing, Misty killed Haleigh. Either she hit her too hard or gave her too much of something to make her go to bed. She panicked and called her brother and Joe. They came and got the body and threw it in the river. Misty is still not “owning up” to what she did. She is just pointing away at Joe. And Joe is guilty of throwing the body in the river, so YES he is in trouble also.
All 3 of them should rot in hell. Especially Misty.
I still want to know if Ron knew, and if so, how long has he known for??
Audio four
Very Very hard to hear as well even with a good head set, still appreciate Simon for releasing these. Helps see the bigger picture.
Ron says He is a liar? Did not get to hear what was asked when he answered that, he then goes on to say.
She (CS?) got paid about $10,000 to say that stuff about Ron/his family on T.V.? I assume bring out the truth about his drugs and abuse? Ron denies it.
Cobra mentioned a lead detective on the case that got caught with cocaine, pot and put on desk duty?
Ron then mentioned , Everybody is going to be subpoena to court. Then Ron mentioned a cop Christ Midltn.? But that he was not sure.
Cobra asked Ron, Who got caught with cocaine, pot and put on desk duty? Ron said not Merchant.
Ron said he can get Merchant get Merchant there right now..
Ron mentions Dec of 2005. Said CS owed him around $4000, but that now it’s like $14,000?
This was said really odd,not sure if it is due to the tape or what. But Ron just says..in a strange way…hey man you know what, my daughter was stole Feb 10th.
You know whats crazy. My daughter comes up missing Feb 10th, he told Misty to call 911. At 3:26 the call was made, he must of gotten home at 3:23.
Ron said that LE asked him if he was home that night. He said that LE kept asked him what took him so long to get to the home. Ron said he stopped at the store that he bought a pack of Newport’s, peanuts and other.
Ron then said that they kept asking him how did he get home at the time he did, when he got off of work at a certain time. Ron never mentions the time.
Ron then said that LE pulled all the tapes and LE asked him how the “F” did he get home at that time when he off of work at a certain time and got home at that time.
Ron said, well maybe that is how long it takes a cracker to drive home?
Cobra talks about a bush that is near the house that he is going to check and see if there is anything there from the van.
It was also said in this audio that Timmy woke at 1am and was not home?Hmmm, but nothing else that I could understand after that.
Cobra said that he saw the pictures of the door and something didn’t look right.
Ron said he has 4 keys to the MH, one that fits that front door, and talks about how someone could use a bump lock. Cobra said there was nothing bumped be seen the pictures of the locks. Cobra asked Ron about the door nob being upside down..
Cobra said that he talked to Misty’s side of the family and they are on his side. Then Cobra mentioned that they told him that maybe Joe may have a vengeance towards Ron.
Where’s Leonard with his 2 cents?? Still willing to bail out Misty?
What i find from these recordings,an all those Cobra got.Is that Cobra worked very hard,an i believe uncovered a lot of shady stuff along the way.Remembering the one where he went an talked to Barbra,an Jarome at that shady motel.
I believe Cobra uncovered a lot of useful things that dectives should have been looking into from the get go.An it now appauls me even more for the way Cobra was treated in the very end.
I find a lack in propper investigation in the beginning of this case.Because they may have found a body,if they had just dug a little deeper in the beginning.If the child is in fact dead.An i belive she is.
I think Ronald was being truthful,on what he knew to be fact,an what he thought,he to was looking at different people.I think a lot that has been spued out about Misty is that some are just plain untruths.like she picked Haliegh up at the buss stop that day.I really love the closeness Ronald had with Hlaiegh.
I too as a mother,because my sons dads was killed in a auto wreck when my son was a yr old.I to uses to let my son drive when he was young just like Ron,did with Haliegh.Theres nothing wrong with it.Because Ron was in complete control.
So many dads today shuck their responsabilities,but Ron was trying.I think he would have done a fine Job,if drugs had not been a part of his life,But we see they were a part of Crystals to.An her mother was a dealer before Ron ever got with CS,so if we blame anyone for her drug abuse,blame her mom,for the example she set way back then,an letting her 14 yr old leave to stay with a 16/17 young man.She could have had the law pick her up an bring her home,or put here in a 90 day juvy program,for runaways,or drop out from school.
They have one here.called R&E,reception,an evaluation center,to get to the root of the childs behavior.Where the counsel,an make the child go to school.Many teens when they go ,an then come home.It makes them straighten up,an not want to go back lol.Misty needed this as well.
I know that as soon as Joe got back to Tenn. he lawyered up.So the first time Dectives went to question him in Tenn,in the beginning.Im sure they had to do so with his lawyer present.As they did during this search.What i would like to know,is why if no guilt was there did he lawyer up so quick.An still he has not taken a LDT.
I say Drug test him first.Make sure he hasnt taken valium,to caulm his nerves,an Demand he take the LDT,because untill he does i will always be suspicious of him.An what would be a real shame is if he took part in Halieghs disappearence,an gets away with it. The only way to clear his self at this point,would be to be tested.SIMPLE AS THAT.But i bet he will refuse one,if put in a place to have to take it.
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I agree, one thing Cobra did was uncover A LOT IN THIS CASE! Why LE didn’t take it and run with it, I don’t understand. I just don’t understand why that river was not searched sooner. I just don’t, but that is just me.
Again, Thank you so much Simon for sharing!
A big Thank You to Cobra as well, IMO these audios will come into play when this gets to trial. But that is JMO.
one thing that bothers me about this case is the back door,now if you are at home with two small children at night would you not have that back door locked,and if you had it locked how could someone get in kidnap haliegh then go out it and prop open the door,sounds to me it was someone in the house that went out that back door,misty,tommy,joe,ron,the whole thing doesn’t make sense
LOL i cracks me up that each preson hears these audios lol an each gets a different virsion of whats being said.That what happens in life.When i had my purse snatched in broad daylight.
Sled came to my house with photos of different people because i thought i knew the person driving the get away car,an the attacker.But they had to have positive id .The actual pictures of the pepole that i knew in the line up of pic,were at differnt Times ,an with many others who looked close to taht person.I had to finger the ones i saw.you had to really look close because they had changed from that time,until then.the sled man told me that when taking interviews from people,when a crime has taken place..Each has a different virsion of what they saw,what they heard.That they just have to put the pieces together from each persons interviews. Like when he jumped out of the bushes i saw him his hat dark cloths a tatoo on his neck. But the other who seen it all saw differnt things.I saw a white bandanna around his nose an mouth.One woman said she saw a yelloe bandanna .See what im saying.Same as in what they may have heard said. Im sure its hard to investigat a child abduction,or murder.They have to get the right ones involved.Or someone could go down,an not ever have done anything.But a good investigatve team,with profilers usualy can get their man/woman.
Dusty Rose, I too, can’t understand why JVM, Brown, and others feel it is impossible that a person(s) took Haleigh because the gun could not be taken.
I mean, they rule it out as an impossible motive – probably because they can’t comprehend themselves ever taking a child (for any reason, I hope).
Ruling it out just because she can’t relate, can’t comprehend herself taking a child in place of a gun is the thinking of an amateur profiler IMO.
Most men like Ronald are straight shooters.Because they say what they think,whats on their mind.An for the most part they tell the truth because they dont give shit what people think of them.They love hard,work hard,play hard.Love their children an make mistakes along the way.
Drugs played a part in all these families no just ones.If we go back an check on everything.
We find every side of all 3 families had drug activity in their homes,around their children,violence.An shacking up with people.All look like they needed some extra money,an drugs sales bring money.It seems to be the norm in that county.
an if we look back the geniration before them (their parents)even some of them were drug dealers/addicts. It seems like that county was/is out of control in the drug trade,an addictions.Why wasnt that place ever cleaned up before Haliegh went missing.
Why didnt Satsuman have a free rehab,an counseling set up for those who wanted to get off,but withdrawls made them keep going back.
Why didnt parents when they saw their youth in trouble with drugs ,why did they not place them some where for help.
Why even the schools werent paying attention Misty an Crystal were early drop out an theres a law that they have to go untill age 17.
So i just find more at fault for Halieghs situation than just these that are being looked at.
These RSO packed in that county like flies on poop.Even some out on bond.AN alledged crimes of it now there.
This could have happened at any one of their homes. LE needed,an needs to do a sweep of all the drug trade in that county. LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL HAVE TO CALL IN SOME BIG BOYS FOR THAT.
Not just the ones that UC provided for them to sellan get busted on..I mean real drug bust.Because that bust did nothing about the drug trade there,may have slowed it down a little while while there are investigateg this crime.
But soon as this over all will be in full swing again,if it not already.
Dept of children services had been to Ron,Crystals,an Tommys house .An just what did they ever do???????
I pray for all the little ones there.I believe this crime could have been avoided.I feel for the parents an familied who are hurting over HALIEGH.i PRAY FOR THEM .bECAUSE THIS LOSS THEY WILL NEVER GET OVER,TIME DULLS IT.bUT ITS ALWAYS THERE IN ONES HEART.I know first hand when one i loved dearly was murdered in our family at 2 yrs old beaten to death.
I also pray for the parents an families who have loved ones involved in this criime.I pray for those who are being accused that they will tell the truth,the whole truth.An that somewhere they come to repentence before GOD FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
Jason, I agree it should not be assumed one or more of the players might not have taken Haleigh when a gun (or drugs, or whatever) could not be found as expected at the MH.
We can’t fathom this, but that’s because we do not do things like this, and do not typically associate with people who do.
However, all players in this case have at times shown behavior that is, for lack of a better word, infantile. They want to be seen as scary thugs but they often do things that look like elementary kids arguing on the playground.
With that, it is not out of the realm of possibility that one or more of them could have taken Haleigh out of that home simply because they were mad at someone else…Misty, Ron, or whoever.
Not saying it went down that way, just saying with this group ANYTHING could be possible.
I seems to me that MD will be on the show tonight! he has made it! he is in the limelight! Give him a show of hands folks, he is taking down a judge!
I will be boycotting this bnn website until they get some smarts! This sick person has belittle more people on his blog. he isn’t a journalist, he is rat1
Were the tapes disabled because I tried to listen to them and they dont work? Thanks to those who said what they heard on them or I would be blind. It appears to me that Rons gun could have been used in a crime and maybe thats why it was so important to everyone especially Ron. I wonder if LE tested it for ballistics in recent shootings? jmo
Also remember Ron is the one who owns a boat and he would know that boat ramp well since its the closet one to his home. jmo
Cathartic, I’m with you on that (11:33 post) – really stunned me to hear them discount the possibility. Of course Brown and JVM wouldn’t take a child instead of a gun, and hopefully they can’t recognize themselves ever even being in someones home to steal a gun (but, their thinking has me speculating that they CAN imagine themselves stealing a gun).
Often an abuser will beat and kill a pet of the person they’ve been abusing; same mindset could apply here IMO – hurt Ron by taking his child.
Pet dogs and cats have been horribly tortured and killed by people who have a relationship with the animals care giver.
And step-parents are more likely to abuse their step-child than biological child. IF Misty was agreeable to letting someone steal Ron’s gun, then she was not looking out for Ron’s best interests, unless a threat was made to take Haleigh OR the gun, while an intruder was in the MH.
If we look at the behavior of step-parents who were eventually found to be the killers of children, we see that MANY put on an extrememly good act. So, I guess it really shouldn’t surprise us if some one who seems the most innocent is actually the one who did it.
Not sure it is true that Misty and Ron argued about her desire to babysit for someone else during his calls to her the evening of Febr. 9, but if it is – who wanted her to babysit?
Who wanted her to babysit, and DID SHE? If Teresa Neves really offered her money to stay and babysit Haleigh and Butterbean, did she do so because she knew that Misty wanted to babysit for someone else?
Ron would know who Misty wanted to babysit for, and Teresa might know, too – she may have offered Misty more money to babysit than the other person did.
So-o-o, if Misty left the MH to babysit elsewhere – who did she babysit for?
Ron should know, and Teresa may know, too.
Why did Ron not insist on that river being searched?He sure was hinting that is where his daughter maybe. He wanted someone else to insist on searching it. Joe has already stated that their argument was not over a gun. He (JOE) has already told LE about it and they have the info. Why was Ron trying to set up Joe Overstreet? I am starting to believe Ron is involved. Apparently there is a problem with his air tight alibi!!! I questioned his work time again and again.
Jason…. Or Misty just used that as an excuse, cause she didn’t want to be there, or just wanted to do her own thing! If his family only lives a short distance, why didn’t they keep the kids? IMO, someone wanted her there for a reason!
I seems to me that MD will be on the show tonight
WHO is MD and what show??
Also interesting article. The family knows what happened. (Ron & Crystal)
http://newsblaze.com/story/20100418090329kays.nb/topstory.html
boycotting BNN radio said,in April 18th, 2010 at 11:36 am I seems to me that MD will be on the show tonight! he has made it! he is in the limelight! Give him a show of hands folks, he is taking down a judge!
I will be boycotting this bnn website until they get some smarts! This sick person has belittle more people on his blog. he isn’t a journalist, he is rat1
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Supposing Misty did leave the MH to babysit elesewhere it is possible that Ron and Teresa knew. Ron may have called to have Tom CHECK ON HALEIGH AND BUTTERBEAN, NOT MISTY, because he knew Misty was babysitting, or doing something else, elsewhere.
IF Teresa offered Misty money, my guess is she did so because she knew Misty wanted to babysit elesewhere, and thought she could convince Misty to stay with Haleigh and Butterbean by offering her money, or MORE money.
Misty leaves the MH to babysit (or do something else) elsewhere, and Tom agrees to check on the children.
Tom is just a few doors away; Teresa and Ron feel comfortable with the arrangement (maybe even previously left the children at the MH, to be checked on by Tom/Lindsy, and everything worked out fine).
Beautiful, I too, think it is possible that if the phone conversations with Ron were really about her desire to babysit elsewhere, she may have really wanted to party or just ‘be’ somewhere else.
Annette says she didn’t want Misty back, so it seems she really thought Misty was staying with the children, but if it is true Teresa offered her money to stay, then Annette could have had her wish come true – that Misty not be back at the MH (at least for awhile).
Could be Annette had more sensibility than Teresa.
THANKS MADGJLAW for taking the time to transcribe!
It wears me out when i read people saying.Well i would had done this if my child went missing.Or i would have done that.
I can tell you first hand.You dont know what you would do unless you go through it.
Because a normaL mind can even snap. confusion comes,some go into shock.
Much less the mind of people who alter their mind,with drugs.
When it hit our door steps,we went in all different direction,some blanked ,some denied,some just with drew with in their selves.Some even blocked out things every body was scrambling.
My niece had to go through much counseling to get back,to even close to normal.She just went blank. Because when she went in the house she found her baby laying between her twins face down in the tub.She jurked him up beathing his back thinking he drowned.
All she regerstered on was he was blue around the mouth an foam was comming from it.She wasnt anymore good for nothing at that point.She did call 911,an called me,after screaming.Thats why i up an drove from the beach where i was at ,60 miles.By the time i got there she was gone in a ambulance with the baby.ThatS when i saw people moving around in the housean it was dark they were luminaling.
It is so sad. when a parents are accused,going through all of the stuff about he childs death,when they should be grieving,somewhere quietly.Why the grandmother my sister had never ever did drugs,she started drinking an the meds the dr gave her when she was going throught the death of her grandbaby,an her child being accused she got hooked.We put her in rehab,through a Judge .She was drowing the pain,or so she thought.Because she then had to suffer getting off that stuff,the dr fed her.
I fell in the mud from head to toe,where it was raining hard on that freezing feb .3rd night.When i saw them lumianling the house i peeked through the back porch door window.There was no one out side,an nothing had been taped off yet.
I didnt know who was at the house,or what had happened.All i heard was screaming on the phone call i got.Then it went blank.So i was in a panic,an rushed over.It took about a hr to get where i was at at the time she was already at the hospita,with him taken by ambulance.
An they were investigateing our family the same way.We all along told them who we as a family though did it.But they dogged my nieces,an all of us out.Even when they proved she wasnt in the house,a care taker was there..
We lost long term jobs,were talked about unGodly,Lies spued,all along we said you better check this personan their friends. out.But nope they drugs us through the mud.We were completly sut out from knowing anything about what really happened untill court.
They investigated all the children in our family.We never sold pictures talked to media,or made a damn dime of the precious little boy who had 30 licks to his body,a skull fracture the size of a quarter.An had rings around his throuat like he had been choked with a belt.I fooled the one at one hearing about the children.I slip into a hearing about the other 3 children in the home,wore a wig dressed as an attorney had a bref case,an no one even paid attention to me.Then an only then did i see some pictures of what he looked like.They said Grown LE,an DR were crying at the hospital she was screaming My baby,My baby My baby. the ambulance man testified to it.
They took her from the hospital,an started questioning.With out a lawyer.She was 19,an no one was with her.She had never been in trouble so she didnt know to ask for a lawyer .They released her to go home a day later,only to arrest her the morning of the funeral,she wasnt allowed to even see her baby .at no time while waiting for the funeral They arrested her ,an kept her 9 months under $200,000 bond.An no help came to bond her out.So we had her moved to another county an they let her out on a 5,ooo bond.Then we hired a PI.
GUESS WHAT? THE ONE OUR WHOLE FAMILY HAD BEEN POINTING AT,THEY FOUND OUT THAT THAT PERSON ACTUAL DID MURDER our Precious little baby.
I kept all four of them 2 whole weekends out of every month,,so she could have a break an i loved these children,she was one of my favorite nieces.
5,YR old who was at church with my Mother,who lost her job the accusation of a child being murdered by her grandaughter.The employier told Mother we have to let you go,your family has a black spot on it now.An we cannot have that here.
All the killer got was LWOP,for that brutal crime.An then even got an appeal,an believe it or not, that person will now get out early.I have not one bit of faith in the system.or how some child crimes are investigated.This happened over almost 11 yrs ago an i still feel the pain,in my heart..
But the remaining children are doing well,in school.We fought hard for them.while at the first they had been removed from all family.Woulds you believe the little girl was even abused by the person they chose to put them with untill the got to the truth.
She was whipped,an over medicated by her care taker from the state.She stayed in the hospital a week That was the start of getting them back right on the spot.The caretaker for the state, was never prosicuted.
I do not,nor have i ever believed that Ronald harmed his child.An i still do not believe Misty harmed her either.If im proven wrong,ill be the forst to admit it.
I think they should throw most of the drug charges out.They now have the imfo they were after.An it was most of the pills were supplied by UC for the bust.Just charge them for the ones that they sold of their own personal pills.
They should call in out side forces to clean the real drug trade up in that county,an surrounding,counties.Roll in like the army an hammer down.Raid every house who has any speculation to have drug use ,every shady motel,or hang out.Clean that mess up .
Haliegh what ever fate she met,i pray these families have learned something through this awful crime.An that the whole town ,as well as America wakes up to what is happening with Drugs ,an children today.
Matter of fact, wouldn’t surprise me to learn it was common for the children to be left alone at the MH while they slept because Tom/Lindsy, living just a few doors away, would check on them.
They wouldn’t be the first parents to do that -all the while believing their children are safe because they’re being ‘checked on’.
Even Madelynn McCann’s parents, who are doctors, felt it was safe to leave their children alone in a motel room.
Jan 57, I feel so much sympathy for your niece, her baby, and you and your family. Horrible treatment of an innocent person – and she was so young. Add to that – another of her children was abused by a foster parent – so sad and I feel anger that not only the killer, but our ‘justice’ system, too, caused a lot of pain.
Wish your family peace/healing Jan57!
I believe it was Timmy,an Chelseas anniversery,They had planned for Misty to babysit before the wreck happened.But after the wreck,an Timmy being hurt.They werent able to go out.Chelsea had to handle the insurence paper work.An Timmy was in pain.
If Ron’s request that Tom ‘check on Misty’ was really ‘check on Haleigh and Butterbean’, then he would have been legally liable to a degree (negligence, abandonment, endangerment).
Just speculating: If Misty told Ron and Teresa she was leaving for awhile the evening of Febr. 9, and arrangements were made for Tom to check on the children, then legally, I don’t believe Misty would be held accountable for any wrong doing.
At the time, she was only the babysitter, and would have been a babysitter who informed the parent she wasn’t babysitting.
Responsibility for the children’s care was on their father Ron, not Misty.
If Ron knew Misty was leaving the children alone for even a part of the evening, because she told him, then he, not Misty, did wrong.
Might explain why Ron and Teresa defended Misty, and might not – just speculation.
Thanks Simon & Jan!
As difficult as these were to listen to, they were worth the struggle…
Mel22, I couldn’t agree more!
By the way, out of curiousity, are you writing from “deep in the heart of Texas”!
If so, I think I’m familiar with your ‘handle’ from another web site….?
If so, I’m sure you’ll be familiar with mine!
Anyways, looking forward to today’s show at 3pm.
Cpt KD
Hello- This is “MOO” – I would like to make something clear….The posting (I pasted below) WAS NOT posted by me, but someone signing/posting AS me…why, not sure. It was posted under the Blog “more about cousin jo and hank sr.” As you all know by now, I quit posting or even reading these blogs because of the trash being said about me and any connection I may of had w/LE…
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MOO said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Ron is NOT innocent IMHO. He hindered the investigation just like TM said. The mentioning of the boat dock is no coincidence like the blankets. Ron and Misty need to come clean and start from the beginning and tell how Tommy and Joe were brought into their plan.
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Please, please don’t post as me. As you all know, I had surgery to remove uterine cancer and have been out of “commission” for quite a while. As a matter of fact, I have had a few Minor complication this past week and hospitalized again, until yesterday….I got online to do a Haleigh update and saw the posting by “MOO” above. I’ve cleared the air with my friend at PCSO and he too agreed, that my previous postings were of no harm to the case, and posted as JMO, in most cases. We are good and I want it to stay that way.
Now, the one who posted as me, “MOO” did post my true thoughts on this case…..which I found interesting…..Stating MY OPINION ONLY, I truly believe this:
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IF Joe and Tommy went to Misty’s to steal some guns, it was more than likely to sale for $ or drugs. AND, if they didn’t find any guns, what in the world would the motive be for CJ to snatch up Haleigh? The only reason would be if he were a pedophile and he wanted to rape her. And seriously……he’s gonna just up and say, “I’m taking Haleigh and I will kill either of you if you say anything?” Nope……I just can’t see it. Now, if they would have “come up” with their story a bit more carefully, they could have maybe sold it….Like, saying that they came over to steal the guns, Misty woke…..they discovered there were no guns, and left…..Then, around 1:00am, Tommy woke up and Jo was gone again….. Furthermore, Misty says Tommy left alone, and Jo left with Haleigh…..Yet Tommy says he went with Jo and watched him dump the body….. So, they’re trying to sell, that not only did he take Haleigh, but he staged the door with a cinder block……plus, got rope and more cinder blocks from the property to take with him also before they left….while Misty and Tommy just sat there, together, helplessly? That’s a load of BS if I ever heard any. Not only that, but both Tommy and Misty decide to call good ole Grandma Hillbilly in Tennessee and spill the beans, not only on the same day, but within 30 minutes of one another? Maybe that was the plan….for Grandma to collect the reward money and share the wealth….that is if there is even any reward money left to be found….IMO, I don’t even believe they went to the house, period to steal guns. I still believe and will until it’s proven otherwise, that Ron is involved. And if Misty was at home when Jo took Haleigh, how does she know where the spot is that Haleigh was taken to? I mean, sure – Tommy could have told her…..but she wouldn’t know an exact location other than “somewhere around the ramp / boat docks off shells harbor way” How would she be able to “point” out a spot or location unless she knew specifically by being there?
Now, coming clean….Yes, as I told all of you, I work as LE for a school district….but, as skeptical as many of you are about me already, I never meant harm in my postings. That being said, I am fixing to give you all something to really chew on. I have the ability, somehow, to “see” things…I don’t like to call my self “Psychic” though… I am able to see things and hear things that not even I understand. I don’t do this type of thing for a living or for profit. I use this ability, when I can, in trying to help solve cases, as Haleighs, with no strings attached – other than trying to being justice to such a horrible tragedy. I NEVER claim to be exact in what information I “get”….I only relay, to the best of my knowledge, as I “interpret” what I “see” or “hear” or “feel”…That being said, When I do a “reading”, to begin with, I like to know absolutely nothing….Nothing to jade me or my thoughts. When I did Haleighs original “reading” long ago…I didn’t know anyone’s names, (not the dad’s, misty’s, nothing..not even where she was abducted from) I didn’t know what they drove, who they were…All I knew, period, was that a 5 yr. old little girl named Haleigh from Florida was missing. I “asked”, first thing….who was responsible and the first name I got was Ron or Ronald….and then I started hearing/seeing the van, drugs, got Misty’s name, and MANY, MANY more things, that to date, as things play out, have come to pass….It’s weird, I know….and to some of you, BS….But all I can say, is, at least for me, I believe in what I “can do”….ANYWAY, everything I revealed in my first and second readings done about Haleigh and the case….Those are usually the best and most accurate readings because my mind is uninformed. Like I said, it doesn’t mean that everything is accurate, I just try to interpret what I see and hear the best I can. And one VERY strong feeling that I keep getting is that, still, even in the location (St.Johns River) that they are not being honest with what they gave LE. I keep getting “separation”….Not sure why, but it could mean that haleigh is separate from what they’re finding. Could be, either “real” evidence was thrown there at the time the crime was committed ~ as part of their over-all plan, if ever needed, to lead cops to evidence, BUT NOT HALEIGH, to prove their “Jo” theory, OR “Fake” evidence was put there, for the same reason……OR, it could just mean that haleigh is separate from where they found the evidence recovered. I did reveal they needed to search for Cinder Blocks, (the same type used to stage the back door) BEFORE they found them…..But, that is neither hear or there….However, I wonder if there anyway for them to be able to tell how long the blocks were under water? I would venture to say, that if they find no “haleigh” evidence on any of the items, etc….then, it was all staged to appear to be the crime location……just like the door was staged. I am not saying the Jo wasn’t involved….I think it’s very clear, that Jo, Misty and Tommy are for sure involved…..And I would even suggest adding Ron as well…..but that’s just my feelings about him. Furthermore, I don’t think they want LE to actual find Haleigh…..just enough “evidence” to prove their “story” and hopefully convict CJo, and them receive lighter sentences……simply because they are tired of the Haleigh questioning, and KNOW that it isn’t going to end until there is some kind of resolution, period, IMO. Unfortunately, I don’t know if they will ever know the entire, “real” truth. So much time has passed, that even finding Haleigh’s body wouldn’t reveal a lot of evidence, I don’t think, from my experience.
And One more thing…..if Haleigh was simply taken to the boat ramp/docks, why is the van returned scratched and a headlamp busted? Where and when did that happen? The wife (either Chelsea or Lindsay, can’t remember) says it wasn’t like that before that night……This case is just eating at me. The least they could have done is get their lie straight before presenting it to everyone. I do think, that if I am right, and this is one of their newest “stories” – or at least part truth / part lies, that if CJo is arrested, and he DIDN’T kill Haleigh directly, he will be the one who will tell the truth faster than any of the others. I guess that’s all I have to say.
And for the record, I did share all of the above with my PCSO friend, for none of it is “factual” and thoughts of mine, based on MOO.
As all of you do, I want this to end….But this bunch of liars will never come clean. Hopefully LE has facts and other evidence that we are not aware of to put the true puzzle together and end this, once and for all….
(Sorry for the long post, I know you guys hate them…..)
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Tuff Stuff said,
in April 18th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Moo (((((((HUGS))))))) to you.
What a load to carry my friend.
You carry it well.
Peace be with you.
Sincerely.
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My Opinion Only said,
in April 18th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Tuff Stuff ~ Thank you. You are kind.
Thank you very much.But i was just trying to make people understand that some people act abnormal from the sheer shock of what has happened.An how things can get so far out of control.LE are just people,an some of them are dirty to.not all,but some.An when they get it in their mind.Untill its proven different.They will doog a family
Medias awful too.Watch NG, an Others sometime.Someone will be anwsering NGs questions..An they make sure they frase what they say,or how they ask the question.,then it looks like the guest said a whole different thing,said,or done a whole different thing.In other words what was said is taken out of contex,or twisted to fit what the show host wants people to believe..Its all about the dirt,an how it can be sold to the public..
An that we cant always put faith in our system for true justice.Because they fail.
In a case like Halieghs everyone will be speculating.The families accusing each other .Thats when all the back wrongs that they think the other did to them all come out.Many gossip,an just tell things that arnt true.
We can all see that with watching the goings on in Halieghs investigation,an peopLE spreadIing rumors in Putnam,Tenn,an Where ever the others live.Things are tol by some blooers that they here from others,an it just may not be true.Or taken out of contex.
Like Misty wanting to babysit somewhere else. That night.Or TN haveing to offer to pay Misty to keep here there that night.
Truth is we may never really know what really happened.Some of the players may have done nothing that night an some may have .But what? The truth is Misty could have got back with Ron an was happy.she could have jut been home sleeping..When who ever came,an just because Ron locked the door before work.DOESNT MEAN ,THAT BATHROOM TRAFFIC,SOME ONE DIDNT UNLOCK IT.or that it wasnt picked .
I would like to know if the Ac/heater guy was working on the unit .It was near the back door near the kitchen near the dryer,from the layout i saw..Could he have been working in that area,opened it to go to the outside part.Came back in ,an forgot to lock it back.
The plan ,if there was one,about the gun.Could have been cooked up while her, an Ron were fighting ,when she was gone those 3 days.
An she forgot about it.Because she was back with her man,an no longer angry at him.She even could have told Ron the guys plan to steal it,but she didnt know when.An he moved it.
She may have never even knew they were still going to follow through with that plan.An on that night.If they came to take it.She may have changed her mind ,an tried to fight them.Who really knows.When i get upset i speak in circles.You cant make heads,nor tales out of what im saying.Misty could do the same,she does seem to have a learning disability.She may have an emotional one to.Due to her upbringing.I am in no way taking up for her,im just looking at all angles.
CptKD, no, i’m not from TX but I do use that handle elsewhere. BNN is the only place I usually post about this case though. Must be someone else.
The female caller who amplified parts of the 911 call heard more than we did.
The male caller who mentioned killers who call 911 because they want to persuade LE in direction to go.
1. Sleeping
2. Door open
3. Our daughter is missing
Not a report – it is a persuasion. Sounds logical.
As Cobra said – a statement, not a call for help.
If the female caller is right, then it sounds to me as though Ron suspected Tom first that night, but Misty told him it wasn’t Tom, but agreed with Ron that Joe took her, as Ron says something to the effect of ‘let’s go after Joe.’
I hope the caller will post about what she hears in the 911 call.
I wonder if Misty and Ron made arrangements for Tom to check on the children while Misty was away from the MH.
Hence, Ron first assumed Tom took Haleigh.
Possible that Ron picked up Misty on his way home from work, and they both arrived at the MH at the same time?
Jan 57, do you know the date of the car accident Timmy was in? Was it the same accident Hank was in?
Did Joe have an argument with Ron the day prior to Haliegh disappearing?
Jason… it was the same accident. IIRC
TheBrasta,
Ron say no argument ever happened! Others have said it did!
TY, Beautiful. Just realized the order of Ron’s conversaton with the 911 operator fits as persuasion, because he first says “I just got home from work”.
Jason, oh yes… not to take anything away from the caller PI, but that is the first thing I thought of. They were trying hard to convince the world to not think ill of them. Even with the “my story has not changed”, “I stand by what I said on the 911 call”, “I don’t know, I was at work” routine. (paraphrase)
Re-listening to the 911 tape, I notice Misty’s true demeanor leaked from her role-playing when the operator asked “What’s the numerical”.
In her role-leak, she says in her normal, lower pitched voice “Numerical – what’s that?”, then goes back to role-playing with a higher pitched voice.
Jason… you see the First Coast News article? What a F*8k&3g Libertine!!
Beautiful, I never felt certain about that till he pointed out the order – deja-vu going back to the 911 call today.
While Ron is in his angry role (instead of the helpless child, falling apart, whining, crying role he had a few times during the call) he REFUSES to provide the 911 operator with Haleigh’s birth date, which is strange enough, but what is really eery to me is that his response sounds hateful towards Haleigh.
Unsettling for a father of a missing child to refuse to give basic identifying information and instead say “F#@K her date of birth”. In the time it took him to say that, he could have given her date of birth.
He wasn’t co-operating, he was controlling.
Just the statement “F her date of birth” sounds hateful towards Haleigh, IMO.
Beautiful, LOL – I’ll check it out (FCN article) even though the F*8k&3g Libertine bull crap will piss me off – LOL!
I just read this:
Steve Brown, a private investigator hired by Haleigh Cummings’ mother Crystal Sheffield, says he knows the answer to the “Whodunnit?” question. According to Barrett, Brown indicated that the suspect would surprise those familiar with the case.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2906270/whodunnit_haleigh_cummings_homicide.html?cat=8
SO WHO DUNNIT???????????if we will be surprised?
FCN article: Ron makes excuses for Misty. She was forced, she was threatened. He’s disappointed, not angry.
If Ron is making excuses for Misty, he obviously loves her more than he did his child.
Because that girl sat on information for over a year. Douche’ bag.
I want to know what happened!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can understand him saying F*ck her b-day. Who cares when the kid is missing her DOB, and he just walked in the house. He wanted LE at his house ASAP
Boldone, he was un-cooperative. Took him longer to say ‘F her birthday’, and the sentence that preceded it, than it would have to simply state the month, date and year of her birth.
If he was in a hurry to get help to the MH, the shorter the better.
If he was in such a rush to get help to the MH, why did he take time on the phone with the 911 operator to explain, clearly and in a flat, steady voice, that if he found whoever took Haleigh, he would kill them?
I agree with BOLDONE3: Ron says “**** her date of birth” – I probably would have too had I been in the same horrifying experience. At that point in time he was probably in shock. It wasn’t a hateful comment towards his daughter. He was responding in frustration to an operator on the other end of the phone who was probably reading her “script” and not realizing how she was coming across.
I honestly don’t know anymore who might have taken this child but IMO Ron didn’t have any idea someone was going to take his daughter. Maybe break into his house when no one was home but never still his baby girl.
Let’s all pray for the protection of the officers combing the river. It’s filled with ‘gators and the people in the water are in grave danger. Let’s also pray that the guilty are found and tried to the fullest extent of the law.
Hoped there was clue out by know.
My feeling,up till now, is Haleigh died much earlier that evening. Ron directed the show
(he knew he would lose JR, for sure)..and now key-players won’t pay the bill no more. Ron still in jail says much.
Sad Haleigh, Shanyia, Caylee..what’s wrong with the mind of them people who hurt children??
Thanks Diane…I strongly believe in Ron’s innocence. However, if you see my previous post, it states we will be “surprised” by who dunnit.
WHO would that be??
This story will have a horrible ending. One none of us wanted to see.
So the family is planning a funeral. And they know who did it. How many days before we find out??
I will only accuse Ron if I find out he knew all along what happened and kept his mouth shut. That IMO is just as bad as being part of the crime.
Please nobody bash me for believing in Ron. I don’t want to read it.
Signing off…can’t read accusations anymore. They are senseless and a waste of time.
Good Night!Let’s get answers tomorrow!
I used to believe that Ronald was totally innocent. NO MORE! He is as guilty of Haleigh’s death as he accuses others of being. In fact, I imagine that Ronald is pooping in his pretty blue jail jumpsuit!
SS what does the SS stand for please? I just don’t think you are the SS most know because you just don’t post like her.
TIA
IMO, the 911 call from start to finish was about deflecting from Ron and that house. Ron not only establishes his alibi but tries too hard to make sure LE believes she was taken by someone. He moves from someone “stole” his daughter to threatening to kill whoever has her and he doesn’t care if they have it on tape.
Ron was definitely in control of that call. At one point when told to put Misty on the phone, Misty crying says “I don’t wanna.” IMO, it sounded like she was afraid that she could not follow the script because they had not prepared for the questions, only their story.
Just like Ron refused to answer the questions. Once he got his “story” out, he had more important people to talk to than LE.
“Ronald Cummings: “where is my f’ing phone…we’ve got better people to talk to then some mother f’ers who ain’t coming.”
ah ite then Ronald Cummings, what “better people” is there to talk 2 other than 911? duh,
give em info so they CAN GET THERE !!
this is a sad mess that took a babies life ! for what !! ? a dam pill? rape? a party from hell went on that night and for sure there gonna get chee scum away from society ! Rehab for teen misty ?? was’nt it said that there had been tons of ppl there after Ronald left for work? timeline, Im not sure about.
ah ite then Ronald Cummings, what “better people” is there to talk 2 other than 911? duh,
give em info so they CAN GET THERE !!
this is a sad mess that took a babies life ! for what !! ? a dam pill? rape? a party from hell went on that night and for sure there gonna get chee scum away from society ! Rehab for teen misty ?? was’nt it said that there had been tons of ppl there after Ronald left for work? timeline, Im not sure ? about. my bad.
ah ite then Ronald Cummings, what “better people” is there to talk 2 other than 911? duh,
give em info so they CAN GET THERE !!
this is a sad mess that took a babies life ! for what !! ? a dam pill? rape? a party from hell went on that night and for sure there gonna get chee scum away from society ! Rehab for teen misty ?? was’nt it said that there had been tons of ppl there after Ronald left for work? timeline, Im not sure ? about. my bad.
IMHO you had to post that ignorance three times? You know for fact a party went on? I have not seen any proof of your claim and LE has not stated anything about a party.
Only two possible scenarios imho. Either Haleigh’s death was accidental at the hand of Misty or Ronald, and then Tommy and Joe were called in to help with the body, OR her death was intentional to punish Ronald for something. Bear with me here.
Either way, Ronald can’t be involved. If Haleigh’s death was accidental, Ronald and Misty together would not need Tommy and Joe’s help to dump the body. In fact, with their criminal savvy, they would recognize that bringing more people in on it would be stupid.
If Misty accidentally killed the girl while Ron was at work, then it makes sense she would call Tommy and Joe for help, so this is more likely.
However, even more likely is scenario three. Joe and Ronald were fighting over a gun. Joe reportedly came to Ron’s house to get the gun and it wasn’t there and he got pissed off. What does a psychopath do when he’s pissed off? He thinks, “What is the worst possible thing I can do to this person I’m angry at? What will hurt them more than anything else?” When that person is a father with a daughter, that one thing becomes clear. What does a psychopath do to punish a father whose daughter is the apple of his eye and sitting there defenseless in front of him? He rapes that daughter and/or kills her and dumps her like a piece of trash. Take *that*, Ron. That’s the mind of a psychopath.
It’s the main reason Casey Anthony undoubtedly (in my opinion) killed her daughter; to hurt her mother. And I believe it’s the most likely scenario in this case.
Haleigh in every photo is smiling and laughing, a very happy girl living with her dad, and in photos of Ron with Haleigh his face is lit up like a Christmas tree, like a completely different person from the jaded drug dealer we see who fights over guns. Ronald adored that child. There’s no way he could’ve hurt her, and every way she was his one glaring vulnerability to an angry psychopath.
Just my 2 cents.
My Opinion Only said,
However, I wonder if there anyway for them to be able to tell how long the blocks were under water?
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I wonder if they could tell that just from the blocks becoming slick with a certain amount of algae or other river slime?
Jason said,in April 18th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
The male caller who mentioned killers who call 911 because they want to persuade LE in direction to go.
1. Sleeping
2. Door open
3. Our daughter is missing
Not a report – it is a persuasion. Sounds logical.
As Cobra said – a statement, not a call for help.
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This really made sense to me too.
Diane said,in April 18th, 2010 at 7:37 pm Let’s all pray for the protection of the officers combing the river. It’s filled with ‘gators and the people in the water are in grave danger. Let’s also pray that the guilty are found and tried to the fullest extent of the law.
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That’s a good thought. Maybe add to that prayers for their mental health too? In spite of my obvious willingness to question the methods and attitudes of the police, I pity them having to look so deeply into a situation like this. I think we’ve seen genuine emotional pain on Sheriff Hardy’s face recently.
Please view Joe Overstreet’s Myspace account. I rarely blog on any of the article’s that I read, however I read all of them about Haleigh & Caylee Anthony. I probably read them a little obsessively, but only because I am eager to find out the outcome, and I have a desire to do investigations or forensic’s so this interests me. What I will tell you is that last Tuesday, after all of this new search had started up, I had viewed Joe’s Myspace and he had a different picture and his profile was not private. Then on Thursday I look again and there is a picture of Joe aiming a GUN at the CAMERA. This guy IS GUILTY of something. I have an itch that he is the most guilty of them all. I actually do believe the gun story between Joe & Ron. I would bet that Joe made some threats and that Ron laughed him off like go ahead, I dare ya. To which Joe called Ron’s bluff. I am sure that we will all know the truth soon enough. until then we have to patiently wait.
Reaching, that’s what it is, everytime one of you tries to decipher that 911 call.
C’mon, I’ve made several 911 calls in my life, and I sure am glad they were never used as evidence against me.
The only time that really shows is when someone on a 911 call “talks too much”, and that is it.
Ron says he dropped Haleigh off at the bus stop that morning. That was a lie. He said he was in a hurry because Haleigh had spilt something on her shirt and they had gotten up late. Misty said they woke up late and she cooked eggs for the kids for breakfast and Haleigh wanted an outfit from GGSykes home so they drove to Welaka and then drove her to school where she ( misty ) walked Haleigh to her classroom and it was reported that Haleigh was tardy that day for school.
About the gun in the culvert. Ronald said he went and got the gun and cleaned it. In the voice stress test of Mistys she said Ronald had her go to her brother Tommys home to look for it. Misty she told Ronald it was not there and he told her to look in the culvert and it was there. Misty retieved the gun;not Ronald.
I am not sure what vehicle Misty would have driven to take Haleigh up to the bus stop or to school, but Misty herself said that she sometimes drove the children when Ronald was too tired after working. Ronald says they ( croslins ) would have never let her drive that van. It will ultimately come out who actually picked up Haleigh. I know Ron says he did, but he also said he dropped Haleigh at the bus stop which is not true. Cobra said the witnesses said that Misty was in the van and Ronald came up sideways asking where is his girl; talking about Misty.
Ron killrd the kid. He told Misty to give her a pill so Misty could get some sleepp/ Hey folks… learn how to ip read and yoy will be amazed at what you can gleen off tv and just standing there watching folks…
intheknow, well hello Boo211 aka higher hopes.A new hat again?What are you talking about ip read?Are you seeing things now?
I HONESTLY THINK RON KNOWS SOMETHING…HOW DO WE KNOW SOMETHING DIDNT HAPPEN TO HALEIGH B4 HE WENT TO WORK AND HE WENT ON TO WORK SO HE’D HAVE A ALIBI? IM JUST SAYIN!!
no schooling..just fishing and drinking,drugs and sex is all they know! I am sad that haleigh had become a victim to these uneducated rednecks, but, I also believe she is in a better place now! God will reveal the truth, all will know it,except for the rednecks they do not know God they cant read the Bible!
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