The quality of these tapes is not great. They are unlikely to win any awards for sound production, but they do contain some interesting comments from Ron. The clips concern the area of the St. Johns river that law enforcement recently searched for evidence in the Haleigh Cummings case.
Once again Cousin Joe Overstreet gets a mention, but maybe the most interesting aspect is the reference to the movie ‘Lake Placid’. I am not offering any commentary on these tapes, I will leave that up to others.
I am hoping that on our program on Sunday we will be joined by an expert in statement analysis. I can not wait to hear what he has to say!
The PCSO have officially said that no human remains were found in the recent search for Haleigh Cummings in the Shell Harbour area of the St. Johns river. The PCSO are rather good with the construction of press releases, they skilfully omitted to offer any information about any other material evidence found in the Haleigh Cummings case. I generally read everything from them at least 10 times before drawing any conclusions. Quite often the message is in the release, you just have to find it.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackbackthanks, will there be more jail tapes coming soon?
Thanks, Simon. Hmm. Should be interesting
Dang, I can’t ever understand the ones with GOOD sound quality. Can’t make heads or tails. We need HollysG to come provide transcripts again! LOL
If anyone listens to these and can understand anything of importance, please post it here! TIA
Lake Placid…that’s the movie with the giant alligator, right? Ugh!
JB said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
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Yep, UGH
KIR – are you listening to the tapes now? I can’t because I’m at work. I’ll try to listen to them at home tonight but I never can understand anything but the cussin’…lol…I can make those words out just fine! I guess because there are always SO many of them! LOL
Are these video or tapes?
JB, they are just audio. Can’t really hear them very well. Like you said, we can hear Cobra and the cussing but not much else, LOL
Heading says TAPES which makes me think audio but the links say CLIPS. Maybe if they are video I can read lips! LOL
Ronald mentions the story about Tommy and Joe fishing and talking about it being a good place to kill and hide a body, then he says, don’t you think that’s where my daughter is at, probably?
Cobra, I guess that is who he is talking to, said, well, I’m trying to get a team down here.
So these aren’t jailhouse….they are more tapes of Cobra and Ron talking? So these are old, huh? Dang, I want some recent stuff….but I guess Ron’s older comments PRIOR to this recent search could be VERY telling, huh? Wish we could understand them! DANG!
So Ron claims to have lots of knowledge about gators habits. And why is it so important for him to make comments about his tattoos?
Ron sure does remember a lot about that conversation with Tommy about the fishing trip.
Ron is very intense. jmo
Buddy – WOW….so why didn’t LE search that area earlier? Surely Cobra shared this info with them! So you can understand these tapes? My ears bled the last time I tried listening to them. Had a headache for a week!
Sounds like we CAN understand these tapes. Dang, now I can’t wait to get home and listen! What’s a little blood loss through my ears for the sake of Haleigh?
Okay, someone tell me what else is said…I’m going plain loco here waiting for someone to post sumpin’! LOL
Ron is making comments about getting his Haleigh tattoo when she was born and Crystal just got hers . He says so whats that tell ya?
Seems he is blaming Crystal and the Croslins and Joe all at the same time. The guy is so intense its like he is on speed (and now that we know he does drugs) Coke does that too. jmo
Thanks Tobias….keep the info coming….I’m on the edge of my seat….got about 10 minutes before I can leave work….then another 15 to get home, then gotta fix dinner, then help with my son’s homework, …..wahhhhhhh…..
Never once does he get emotional yet he is talking about gator eating his daughter OMG Really who does that? jmo
Tobias…DANG….now I KNOW I gotta listen to these. I’ve never seen such heartless people in my life. Granny H talking about Haleigh being tossed in the river and not sure if she was dead when she hit the water….Ron talking about gators eating his child without skipping a beat….these people SKEEER me!
Thanks, Simon
You all know what I’m sitting here thinking, and it’s the SAME EXACT THING I’ve been thinking since Day One..
He talks about gators stuffing kill in burrows and claims he has alot of gator knowledge for being half cobras age. Bragging. Man he asks cobra if he thinks thats where haleigh is?
Cobra cant search without LE permission.
COBRA I FEEL SO SORRY FOR YOU RIGHT NOW I CANT EVEN FIND THE WORDS TO EXPRESS IT. JMO
All I can say is that he makes me sick… What a F*&K^!G LIBERTINE!!
Here is the best I could understand from all of it..
second tape, Cobras asks Ronald if he has any police connections to help get search down there to look for Haleigh and a hand radar,Ron said, no, but goes on to explain about how alligators burrow and how knowledgeable he is.
Cobra talking about Joe being a good liar…
Cobra tells Ron don’t do anything stupid, because he has to take care of himself for his “KIDS”
Ron say’s JR is going to be with him for ever till the day he dies, even if he has to go with him like that.
Cobra asks is that how her name is supposed to be pronounced/spelled, Hay Leigh, what’s up with that, I thought her name was spelled regular.
Ron talks about messing up Haleigh’s name on something. Ronald said, yeah, that is how we were going to write it, “Hay Leigh” Not sure if it is his tattoo, but on the birth certificate it is Haleigh.
Ron say;s look at this one, “tattoo” I guess, and how come she is just now getting one on her back?
Hard to understand with all the sirens going on in the back ground.
bUDDY YOU GOT IT PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HEARD.
He does ask cobra if he thinks thats where she is at. jmo
Simon: I like how you worded it: the message is in the release, you just have to find it.
That is the whole summary of the case in one sentence.
It’s also very fitting to describe the statements all the people in this case make.
So obvious, so just “there” in your face…makes you think.
ie: It doesn’t matter WHO IT IS, whoever, wherever….
“We don’t care WHO IS INVOLVED….no matter WHO IT IS.”
“Some sorry PIECE OF TRASH STOLE MY CHILD!”
imo, sounds like Ron is directing his statements toward a specific someone. His Mother has also made comments just like those.
tobias said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm He does ask cobra if he thinks thats where she is at. jmo
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Yep! I put that in another post..
“then he says, don’t you think that’s where my daughter is at, probably?”
Not once does he pause or tremor in his voice.
No oh man I cant say it or I cant even think it. He just talks like he is detached. Cobra talks about girl losing a baby? Is it misty? BUT rON JUST TALKS OVER THAT AND NEVER ADDRESSES IT. JMO
Exactly, tobias, no emotion. I was thinking he was talking about JO might have a GF who lost her baby, he said that is what he knows to happen to missing kids, someone loses a baby and steals one.
Yeah, but wouldn’t they take a baby if they lost a baby, not a 5 year old?
I hope that peter hayes listened to these and will comment on them on Sunday. jmo
I just listened to the second tape and took ya’alls word for it on the first one.
I can hardly breath. It’s almost stunning to the point that it is painful.
Is it just me or did it come off as if it were nearly the same attitude as if two people sitting down having a calm conversation over a cup of Joe?
I’m not sure of that pun was intentional or not. I feel numb right now and who knows what my subconsceince is trying to say here too.
What I believe Ron wanted this over with and wanted Joe to take the blame. And only Joe. Sorry if I upset people but I have to say how I feel after listening to that. jmo
Tuff what really got me was, Cobra mentioned “Kid’s” and he really accented “kid’s” in his speach, which was probably a way to see if Ronald responded to “kid’s” in which he did not, he talked like Jr. was the only one to worry about..
I posted yesterday a question about allegator poop,Does an allegator poop bones after it feeds. If it does poop bone this could be collected and checked for DNA,
BIO, NO THEY DO NOT ACID EATS THE BONES. NOW I AM SICK BBL
I got the same thing from that also Buddy. I also sensed that he had his “I am the best Parent” flag waving and what the heck? He should have been only concerned about finding Haleigh at that point and instead he is going out of his way to prove his point about being the most caring Parent?
Sounds a lot like all the crap that has been on the boards all over the place since Haleigh first disappeared.
Oh man. I have goosebumps and even they are hurting right now.
tobias, with all the pointing from early on about Joe, I have to wonder why LE would have any new suspicion for Joe, or do they? We have only heard Mizz Hollers and the jailbirds story. My guess is LE has not believed the Joe story, they may have other evidence pointing away from him and pointing to someone else.
tuff, don’t forget “he’s a daddy’s boy” How many times did TN and Ron say thay about Haleigh? I think his tattoo even says something like daddy’s girl forever..
“Some sorry PIECE OF TRASH STOLE MY CHILD!”
Ronald Cummings’ daughter was never stolen per say… but he is the sorry piece of trash that killed her..
Its sad and its sickening but I have to agree.jmo
I can tell MOST of us here are on the same page..
tobias said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 5:46 pm
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Tell it, Tobias!
hey guys,had to clean some stuff on this thing! yall heard the tapes yet? I havent!
/me most….that excludes me Tobias!lol
I also caught what he was saying about Jr. being with him forever. He imvho was making a very obvious threat.
I am so glad that Jr. is no longer in his custody. OMF!
BOMBSHELL BLOCKBUSTER……..BOTH GRANNIES on NICEY GRACEFULL tonight OMG I’m calling Jerry Springer… nicey is tryin to take his job.I think Ronny boy did it.Why.. cause he’s crazy.WHY?? all the sudden they are not begging people to find our angel??THE CUMMINGS know what he did.Get on TV now TN next to GRANNIE……… she is going to need help.JMO
if we ever need to teach a foreighner or tourist how to cuss,Cobras be da man!lol
tuff,splain plz.I aint heard them? threats custody?
omg sue i cannot wait!
Rest in Peace little Doodlebug.
I am crying my eyes out here and I have nothing else to say right now.
bbl maybe.
Again I have to say COBRA I CAN NOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR EFFORTS TO FIND HALEIGH AND I FEEL FOR YOU AND UNDERSTAND NOW HOW YOU COULDNT TAKE IT ANYMORE. JMO
ya better hurry before OJ comes in rofl…..sorry
tobias said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm Never once does he get emotional yet he is talking about gator eating his daughter OMG Really who does that? jmo
OMG PLZ tell me youre lyinnnnnnn
tobias said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 5:40 pm BIO, NO THEY DO NOT ACID EATS THE BONES. NOW I AM SICK BBL
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Add to it, Ronald’s professed knowledge being greater than A 50 year old Miami boy when it comes to Gator’s. Might explain why that family keeps saying they will not believe she is dead till she is found, knowing she will never be found.
OMG,I got caught up and wish i hadn’t almost,that sorry ass piece of trash……………..
bbib
yall remember too when the ld guy asked misty why she wasn’t telling the truth when he asked if Ron would harm Haleigh?? he said you’re lying when i asked you why?
brb
Wow…… yall’s about to get squeezed into
Teeny Tiny Little Balls!!
I am in a tiny ball cause my stomach is so upset right now. I need pepto or a roll of tums. arggg. jmo
I truly believe, and I have said this before, the only “footage” of RC truly grieving was when he was filmed by UC wheeling and dealing and swallowing drugs…….. correct me if I am wrong, but was he not in between drug deals on one of the tapes, to go get his son?? And this is how a man whose daughter is missing/dead grieves??? and is so callous he blows off his responsibility to his only living child and continues to subject that child to the same enviornment that caused the death/disapperance of his daughter?? Dysfunctional families aside, I don’t believe him any more than I do the rest of this totally absurd so called family.
Too late for Haleigh, my heart breaks for the remaining children living in the on going generational drug addicted chaos.
Correct me if I am wrong, but NG nor JVM pay for guest appearances…. copyrights to photo’s, home videos yes, but not for appearances as Gramma Hollar is doing…… not sure I believe her, and am beyond disgusted with her “Misty must have liked it” with Joe comment, but surely even this woman knows that jail calls are taped..therefore, why the lies, if she is lying… SO very hard to believe anyone in this family….. Gramma is doing the family proud tho, changing her stories every 15 minutes…… must be a generational thing..
The way I se it now is Tommy is protecting Misty because he doesnt know what happened.
He just was there later. Misty is protecting Ron and Herself. Joe is the patsy. jmo
I think so too,Tobias,how the hell can a man stand there and say the things he said?I wanna know damn it!
April 22nd, 2010 at 5:56 pm ya better hurry before OJ comes in rofl…..sorry
I am so sorry for that comment a sec ago but i hadn’t caught up yet!
and me and JB were talking about how oj comes in defending Misty so sorry!!!
my stomach hurts bad
Grannie just feels bad for how her family turned out.She is doing what I would do.I would tell it all.She’s not getting paid.
(((((Each and every single one of you guys)))))
Someone has updated their Myspace page comments!
BA, Do you mean Chads?
Common Sense has arrived!
LE is back at square one! Their torture like pressure has openned the floodgates of lies and false statements! The tortured say anything to STOP the torture! LE BLEW IT from the getgo!
Misty has told the truth from day one. She is INNOCENT!!!
No Tobias, his mate.
I am not sure that RC played a part in Haleighs daeth. He certainly made horrable choices I’m trusting a teenager to care for his babies. He also picked a bunch of loosers for freinds. The drugs have magnified the poor choices + and have most likely played a part on the death of Haleigh’s death. That is going to be his burden for the rest of his life. His mother is no more involved in this case any more than I am. I have made many poor decisions in
my life and fortunately didn’t end up in such a tragic situation
We wondered what happened to you. Glad to see you are back. jmo
WHO the heck does Levi Page think he is? He’s the freakin’ taco bell prankster caller from you tube. How does that make him an expert on this case? He isn’t even aware of the fact that Ron was cleared 2 times!!
How can I directly get in touch with him? I am really angry.
Don’t make me search all of them, ba*cent.
OJ’s glove said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 6:40 pm
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I was watching for you, OJ, lol
What does Levi have to do with the current tapes that we just listened to? Maybe you should call into his show??? jmo
Sorry Buddy, not trying to be cryptic… just doing to many things at one. It’s Crystals Myspace. Under comments on the left hand side.
I dont think Crystal wants to believe what we have just heard and assumed from these tapes. jmo
**staus/mood
*status/mood… gawd.
I can’t believe that Ron killed Haleigh. Maybe he did tho. These people tell so many lies that no one knows when they are telling the truth. Probably when their mouth is open they are lying. I still think Misty has something to do with Haleigh’s death. Probably all four of them.
ali vs. frazier
coming up on NG
Now that RC is on the general population he has to keep a tough image. Crying and any display of preceived weakness is not great in prison. Prison has it’s own rules and brand of justice that Does’t make sence to most of is on the out/side.
adams,do you have a link for livestream,n/g or jvm?? neither i found works good!
Thanks, ba*cent. Sad…
I swear to Go,ya gotta luv Tobias even if you don’t always agree,i still get tickled every time i see this jmo?? I don’t care if she says its 2000 degrees outside you still see the jmo…
Thats your trademark for me Tobias,lol jmo
Honey,none of us want too but after that tape,how the hell can a father………..omg
oh he’s in gp? now.how do i miss this stuff! good Gawd as Adams says!
CathyJo said,
in April 22nd, 2010 at 7:00 pm
adams,do you have a link for livestream,n/g or jvm?? neither i found works good!
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check ur email now
just carry on a convo about gators and his daughter and never once skip a heartbeat,i thought the uc tape was bad?? dope boys comment but jeeeeeez
ty Adams!
Y/W Buddy @ 7:00
Y/W CathyJo @ 7:07… I hope it works for ya!
So the big boy wants in general population….. and that is why?? oh let’s see, he has said on his jail tapes how much he hates being locked up 23 hrs/day as one is when in protective custody and how much he wanted to be in “normal” custody…..whatever that is..so he could have more freedom and amenities.. so selfish, no remorse..
His seen boohoo’s were nothing more than advance notice televised acts. He certainly wasn’t crying on the UC drug tapes where he was dealing and swallowing pills/opiates while his little boy was he dropped/dumped off at daycare…. come on, your daughter is dead/missing and as a concerned father you continue the same destructive behaviour that cost your daughter her life???? I will never buy that, not for a minute. Regardless of how dysfunctional or ignorant as this family shows on a daily basis there is absolutely no excuse for the death of this precious girl…
Gee! I can’t stand to listen to Nancy,but I want to watch the ho-down with the grannies..
I guess Nancy caught on to people turning her off once the Haleigh segment is over, so now she reports on it last.
and his racial comment,
thats what i thought Buddy,i can’t get either one to work well enough,the static drives me insane! so i’ll learn here i suppose!
Nancy has got to be brought down to size,I mean she has one this her entire life and she don’t like it when she’s asked a certain ? but knowing all the crap in this case,she adds more and imho.she is using granny!!!!!!
Nancy has got to be brought down to size,I mean she has one this her entire life and she don’t like it when she’s asked a certain ? but knowing all the crap in this case,she adds more and imho.she is using granny!!!!!!
done this,not one
thats prolly the only thing i will ever agree on with c/a…sensationalism and i do hate to agree with c/a on anything but imo she is!
somebody will give ole ron a run for his money once this gets to his inmates!
Of course she is using Grannie it’s all about ratings and her making more of a caricature of herself than she already is.. but it brings money and fame.. we are done with the twin love fest, lord help me as if she is the only mother..good grief.. both gm’s are on now, will give you a reader’s digest version if you dont have one when I come back, cathyjo.
ya know too,i wish i could remember who said it…..someone here but i am half crazy so……anyhoo his 1st call with TN..remember he said to her..I wish i could find my daughter,and the person reminded me he wasn’t worried at all really,that was just for the recordings b/c he should have said Haleigh!
my daughter is more impersonal at the time given the circumstances..imo
ya know,he was talking to his own Mother,so why woul he say,”my daughter to her”
Just checking in. I will be listening & transcribing tonight. I may run throuygh Goldwave (Just for my own benefit, not to repost, Simon)so I can understand it better. I will be posting the results.
lord yes,tyvm!
omg Holly’s,Jb said that just a sec ago,lol think it was her!
how we needed you to transcribe!
Oh yes,she acts like she’s the only one who ever gave birth!
she didn’t want cameras there in her case,thats just nutty as hello……….
It is a horrible thing to even think about but gators stip the flesh off the bone and will eventually spit the bones out and the bones fall into the silt in the river bed.
I use to think what i’dd give to have her on my husband’s case,but i guess it’s a good thing she wasn’t cuz I am more backwards than poor ole Granny,N/G would have a field day with me!lol
hollar is straight out of deliverence.
Holler is the correct way,lol j/k Oj but thats what i call em,heck i lived in coon holler my whole life and the next holler down was dead mare branch,and stinking branch,lol
I was born and raised not 10 miles from Loretta lynns holler,lol
Gosh yea it is Dallas!
Thanks HollysGmom – I was hoping you would transcribe. I truly cannot listen to Nancy Grace.
I am not sure I can listen to the Ron tapes either (based on all of your responses). I don’t think I will be surprised but I am extra sensitive today. I am weepy at the drop of a dime and felt sorry for Misty all afternoon. Yes – my family thinks I am nuts at this point. Thanks again Holly’sGmom!
CathyJo said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 7:48 pm I was born and raised not 10 miles from Loretta lynns holler,lol
My great grandparents were too CathyJo — the school bus stopped in front of their place and dropped them off
Thankful the sun shines all over Florida at this moment.
oh man!! Chelsea called in, it gets even more strange than I imagined! So we have a 3 way brawl……… all the experts are saying there are tapes that exist of the calls, so it is so very easy to substantiate what grannie hollars is saying.. in a day or so it will be documented to the press, most don’t seem to believe her… Chelsea said that in the 7 yrs she has been in the Crolin commune Grannie was never around and was and is estranged from the family. Grammie Sykes (whom is a TRUE bio grandmother, not a 3 month step relationship) sounds very direct and honest and very uncertain to what really happened. Obvious no respect for what Hollar is saying JMO
Oh wow Pez……small world ain’t it,lol sorta.somebody burned LL’s house about 8 yrs ago i believe!
OMG WAHHHHHHHHHH,now b/c and we missed it!
Oman i pray she aint flibbin’sometimes i think she is now but i hope not!
Wow CathyJo very small world. The Webb’s were at my pappaw’s funeral. Really strange if your family was too!
Then again maybe she just didn’t want druggies around her ya know? prolly thievin her and stuff,your mother don’t turn on ya for no reason whatsoever,ya know!
I am not certain,sorry.but they filmed coal miners dtr not 5 miles from me and my ex sisnlaws mom was in the movie singing over LL’s dads casket!and my husband and his cousin were taking an ole truck they fixed up…lmbo b/c they needed them for the movie,they went down rockhouse mountain a flyin on 2 wheels and changed their mind in a hurry!
But the dr’s office in the movie is exactly how it looks even today!
The jeep LL’s hubby drove in the movie was my neighbors!
meant to add,the breaks went out is why they were flying! lol
GGMa Sykes was pretty firm in saying that she had no idea what was going on regarding the search right up until Grammie Flora quickly piped in and reminded her that she, Grammie, was the one who had called and told GGMa Sykes all about it!
Oh yeah there was a side slap there though ennit?
Either that or Sykes memory is possibly slipping.
I didn’t figure ol’ Timmy would be calling in to be supportive of his family none though.
pffffft!
i wouldn’t ddoubt they werent there tho Pez,i have been to zillions of churches and funerals…my parents knew everbody!i was raised at church and funerals,lol
**DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH**
bio-hazzard said,
in April 22nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm
I posted yesterday a question about allegator poop,Does an allegator poop bones after it feeds. If it does poop bone this could be collected and checked for DNA,
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Alligators can and will devour an entire human being, skull and all. It would take approx 30 days or so to digest the bone parts of the body, and will be excreted out after that.
DNA of the human that an alligator has eaten can be and has been found in alligator feces in other cases.
My apologies for the bluntness.
wow Tuff!
small small world. We could be related
If GH was so astranged why did Misty , Lisa AND hank go there when they left Florida?
Lisa and Hank both went there when they ran off with the stolen checks. Misty went there for 2 weeks in Oct. GH said she loaned Hank 700 on one of the jail calls to Misty I have never heard any from Tommy. Tommy does like her because he asked Lindsy to let her stay with her when she came for their court date.
NOW WE LEARNED FROM CHELSEA THE GUN WAS FOUND AT TOMMYS PROPERTY WHERE JOE STAYED BEFORE THE FIGHT THEN HE WENT TO TIMMYS. JUST PROVES tOMMY PROBABLY STOLE THE GUN AND jOE GOT BLAMED. Why would Chelsea come on and say anything? Again she is in protect mode. jmo
tuff, GGS then remembered going to search that area with TN, she started to say, the next morning, then Nancy cut her OFF, I bet was going to say, the next morning searchers were there looking…
ya gotta be sometime Tracy,Whatever Haleigh had to suffer with,surely we can hear that!
On twitter everyone is saying Donna/boo211(twitter nic)/poco(topix nic)/higherhope(scared monkeys nic),from Florida wanted Flora’s phone number and gave her information.So,since there was new information tonight by Flora,again,what was she told to ask?The one thing I heard was about Misty wanting TN to babysit for her.How much is Flora getting online from bloggers?LE needs to interview her and find out what bloggers are giving her information and how much she is actually getting from Misty,since her stories keep changing.
omy Tobias! wowwwwwww
bio-hazzard said,
in April 22nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm
I posted yesterday a question about allegator poop,Does an allegator poop bones after it feeds. If it does poop bone this could be collected and checked for DNA
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This is all I could find
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081121233324AAEraYf
right Buddy,she don’t wanna hear the good stuff! just stuff that makes them look worse!
One thing I can say about GH is she gets them talkin. jmo
amen there Tobias,maybe lp will buy her a car,lol
I feel like I’m watching the game “telephone” played out in text.
Concerning the “half that age” business. I heard the older man say something about HIM having a 2 yr old. And Ron said something about Hayleigh being twice that age…..
I wish we could get TAPS in here to clean up those tapes *sigh*
i know they did say that lindsay allowed them to search and they found a rifle?? pretty certain anyway,and now too……..Lindsay threw their boots away,whewwwww
Adams or Buddy, would you mind posting that link for the rest of us?
Thanx
idn’t they get some yellow rope from Tommys!
The cell phone records are going to be a mountain of evidence. IMO. Did cops take computers from this family? They all have myspace pages and facebook pages so did LE do a thorough search of hard drives. Just wondering with new age technology do these people do no texting or was their cell phones just for calling? Just wondering.
I am sick, the stories just get sicker and sicker. Misty has gone too far if she is lying and I feel she is. She is desperate to blame someone else for what happened. The story now is just to sick to even repeat and its totally a lie. If junior heard that couch bounce he would have said sissy was crying. Its false. jmo
brb dtr on phone
Tobias
Flora said herself she went 3 times to Colorado to see Lisa and Hank years ago,two of those times the kids were in Michigan,so she didn’t see them.And Misty stayed with her a little bit,at around 13 years old.Most of the time the Croslins have lived in Florida.Chelsea said tonight in 7 years of her being in the family,they’ve seen Flora,I think once or a couple of times,can’t remember.
Kayla,her granddaughter said on two different sites online,people were sending Flora money.Is this her motivation,even though she’s said she’s not gotten any deals,doesn’t mean she’s not getting any money.But LE should check into this,since she’s thrown the investigation into a media fury with her upteen versions of what she says Misty has told her.
NG should not be asking her on this show and there would be no problem with her. jmo
what Tobias?
Misty lived with her for 3 years. Probably before Flagler when Lindsy and Chelsea came into the family. I think this is what GH said about family not being happy with her.
Have to give her credit she has gotten info out from Chelsea about Joe being at Tommys when the gun went missing. After the last 2 guns were stolen by Tomy you can see how Rons could have been taken by him and when found it was blamed on the visitor Joe. jmo
That one lawyer on NG is exactly right,Flora is just blabbing.LOL I loved that,that cracked me up.Then you have the psycho analyst(LOL),she’s always creepy on there with her usual bs of silliness.And NG,whose show has become Jerry Springer 2.She’s defending Flora,because she wants her ratings to go up,but everyone’s just shaking thier head at letting this babbling woman on her show the last few nights.Waste of a show,and why so many have stopped watching.There are so many missing children and people that need help,not Jerry Springer/National Enquirer.
If Chelsea and Timmy thougt he stole the gun why not ask him to leave then? No come stay with us, really???? jmo
Maybe the took Ronald’s computer, he seems to be the only one without a myspace or facebook.
its crazy!
Ron is guilty of something and Misty claims she “still loves him”. I think she will make up any story to not implicate Ron. He has taken over her young mind and convinced her not to tell the true story. She’s not going to get out of jail by doing so, and her loyalty to Ron is more important to her.
Has anyone wondered how Ron can afford such an expensive, well respected lawyer? His mom is very savvy, and shrewd. She told him to be careful in jail because of “snitches”. What was she afraid he would say? Certainly not getting caught red handed making a drug deal. I’ve never trusted his mom either.
Nancy Grace should represent Ron, because she basically defends him at all times. It’s really pathetic on her part. She tears into the women, but Ron gets a free pass.
so true Dee!
Yeah Buddy.
After watching all that go down like it did I am concerned about GGMa Sykes memory now.
Seems to me that part of Misty’s alibi came over a week later in the form of GGMa suddenly saying that she had stopped by the mh that night to drop off clothes and what not.
All that alibi even though Misty hadn’t said one word about that before then and she didn’t include GGMa Sykes dropping by in media questions that were asked regarding who had come over that night afterwards either.
Yes they took it because in pictures of the MH you can see the moniter still at the desk in the master bedroom. After they moved in with GGSykes they used her computer in walatka.
What the heck was that about ggsykes always washing the kids clothes? Ron couldnt learn to do laundry good grief. jmo
Now I am wondering if the AC guy saw Haleigh. If not there is no sighting after she left the bus thats reliable. jmo
Yup Tobias she said Ron and Misty’s clothes were washed at the mh but that she didn’t want for Haleigh and Jr to wear stains on their clothes. I guess it’s a who cares about Misty and Ron’s clothes?
Alrighty then.
What happened to Misty being totally exhausted? Now she was fine and running around.
Please these people all of them have lied but which is the lie? The first version or the last????? geeeezzzz. jmo
tobias–I thought that was a flatscreen tv. My bad!
tobias,
I’m trying to find out how long Misty lived with her when she was younger,never really thought about how long.But Flora according to family was not involved with the Florida bunch,didn’t know what was going on there.From the looks of it,not too much with the Tenn bunch either.LOL They don’t think too much of her according to Kayla.
Winter rose, You can see where GH said in NG transcripts it was 3 years before she went to florida and quit school. And of course Joes family is gonna get peed off she is saying Joe is involved. On their my spaces they had pictures of her and Joe at the wedding. Looked like a nice family to me. I dont really care what she says I like the fact that she is getting others to talk. jmo
Well if Grammie Flora promotes finishing school and staying out of trouble, which is what she had hoped for with Misty, I could easily see why quite a few of them wouldn’t want to be all fuzzy and warm about her.
She might be the type to whip out the fry pan after all LOL!
I just want the truth and tired of all this Croslin/Overstreet sensationalism bs.It’s bad enough HaLeigh is gone,but night after night we’re hearing this Flora made up bs to keep her on tv.I’m so disgusted.
Misty and Tommy called her e heard that. How did they get her phone number if they had no contact with her. Please they never thought she would turn on them. jmo
And you can blame that on NG. She gave her air time otherwise we would be seeing or hearing her. jmo
So funny to me that ONCE AGAIN it’s Chelsea who does the talking and not Timmy. What a riot!
Tuff, havent you evr heard what you say can be used against you in the court of law? He is not that stupid as the rest. jmo
I suppose that could very well be the case after all Tobias? I dunno. Doesn’t matter to me though because if Baby Sister ~A GIRL~ can come out defending her Big Brother then you would think that her Big Brother would at least do the same in return?
That’s some chicken shiznit right there imvho!
…Just sayin.
They’ve had contact with her,she just wasn’t part of the Florida thing,she lived in Tennessee.I have relatives in other states,I talk to them on phone,but we’re not part of each other’s everyday life.Don’t know thier kids bfs and gfs or what they all do everyday.So I wouldn’t speak for people I didn’t even know like I knew thier life and what was going on with thier kids.And NG’s show has become garbage,it’s not even worth watching.Michael Jackson,Tiger Woods,all the stars adultery lovers,who cares about all that garbage?
NG would give airtime to a frog if it could boost her ratings.LOL
misty’s lawyer is horrible..hes left her twisting in the wind with no voice at all! What she needs is a spokesperson to counter the vile dispicable accusations of the NGs of the world.
She was ASLEEP when haleigh went missing..period!
LOL,Granny would give up her push up bra and false eyelashes to get airtime on any show. 🙂
She had Annette Sykes AND Chelsea via telephone on her show today though too so.
Where are we going with this?
I dunno.
Goodnight everyone pray for Haleigh to be a peace. She deserves that and more.
AT PEACE SORRY
Goodnight Tobias.
tUFF AFTER THOSE TAPES i DONT THINK i WILL SLEEP VERY WELL.JMO
So now why would Annette Sykes say she had no idea what was going on with the search and what not if, well, not if since she admitted that it was true that Flora Hollers had TOLD her about all of it?
Why would she have said that though?
WinterRose I agree with everything you have said…….. of course that is because I have said the same you have, and our interpretation of NG was again similar.. anyway thanks for your input, it helps to think I am not the only crazy one……
I don’t know Tuff,first we’ve heard about all of that.From what Flora said Tommy and Misty had told her on the phone.But,then Chelsea says Misty wrote it to her in a letter and she called LE and Flora,Flora said she called GGM Sykes and LE.Chelsea said LE didn’t listen to her or something,I’m going to have to listen to all of that again.But,I don’t understand why LE didn’t search that dock at the beginning.Unless they weren’t told about it,it’s so confusing now.The only thing that’s different is LE is saying it’s a homicide,so they’ve gotten a confession or found something,but why no arrests,unless they’re waiting for lab results.
Ron/Cobra AUdio 1 Transcript:
Cobra: I went down there and I told em what you said, you know Jr, little Jr? He said….
ROn:You know what he told em? I’ll tell you what I know that he told em
Cobra: Alright…
Ron: He was down here fishing with Jr, Hank, actually I call him Tommy
Cobra: Tommy, ok…
ROn:Ok, but that’s the same dude; Hank, Hank Jr, Tommy
Cobra: Yea..
ROn: Tommy & Joe were fishing , with Tommy’s son, at that dock. It got dark, that dock got swamped with aligators. He told me he said “Holy FN sh*t, I had to get my son out of there. I thought Lake Placid was fixing to go on.”
Cobra: Yep…yep
ROn: You know what? Joe said : “You know this would be the perfect MFin place to kill someone. You could just throw em right into the water and the gators would take care of the rest.”
Cobra: Yea,
Ron: You think that’s where my daughter’s at? Probably….
Cobra: Well, I’m tryin to get a team down here brother.
AUdios are much clearer now, very easy to hear what is being said. Reduced the siren out of 2 to where Ron & Cobra are heard. I’ll post 2nd transcript ASAP!
WinterRose I think there have been no arrests as of yet because LE wants to make 100% sure that they are matching up and arresting the right persons for the crime(s) that were committed.
IIRC LE stated that there were several persons of interest.
Jnet
Her show could be used to help find all these missing children and people,some useful purpose for her show.But more than that,the things Flora has said about what happened to HaLeigh has been horrible and it’s all spectulation and dramatized for effect.This whole thing is bad enough.The families don’t need it,LE or anyone,it’s just all been useless what we’ve heard since last week.
This is true Tuff,we did get out of this that there are three persons of interests.
or several,which is usually three,and the one out of state comment.
I did not watch NG but someone earlier posted that NG cut GSykes off when she started to say she and TN went to search the area (the evening before the LE search began)….I think GSykes was trying to say she and TN went there to search and were told by LE they could not be there.
Not 100% sure of this but I vaguely remember it being posted here about them being at the site the evening before and being asked to leave.
I remember at the beginning of this,didn’t someone say family was turned away?Maybe that’s what they were talking about.
I wonder how much weight the comments Misty mae during the ldt and voice stress analysis hold?
Misty IIRC said she thought she had seen four peole there in her dream. (although remember though that she also said she didn’t have any dreams that night and all this in the midst of the testing period.)
R.I.P. Haleigh. This story is such a merry-go-round that it makes me sick.
ROn: You know what? Joe said : “You know this would be the perfect MFin place to kill someone. You could just throw em right into the water and the gators would take care of the rest.”
Cobra: Yea,
Ron: You think that’s where my daughter’s at? Probably….
Cobra: Well, I’m tryin to get a team down here brother.
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At a loss for word’s here!
GGMa Sykes must not realize when people are high. Apparently the story is that Misty and Tommy smoked a joint.
Had to have been right before GGMa Sykes showed up dontcha think?
Wonder if’n GGMa Sykes eyes are bad too or?
I agree CathyJo. It’s like a lit up flashing neon sign pointing —–> THIS WAY <——
AUdios are much clearer now, very easy to hear what is being said. Reduced the siren out of 2 to where Ron & Cobra are heard. I’ll post 2nd transcript ASAP!
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Holly’s,you’d better hurry,lol
it sure is Tuff,almost unbelievable!!!!!!
just say it all calm like that too?? I can’t imagine even saying that out loud period! be hard enough to think it happened!
Did I hear right on NG? Misty offered Rons mom money to keep the kids that night?
If that is true, she knew there was going to be problems that evening at some point because she told Chelsea in the letter, that she knew Tommy was coming for the gun.
I don’t believe FH’s story about Misty hiding with her head under the covers.
I do believe what Chelsea said about loose pills lying around, but most pills are bitter and someones Hailey’s age you would think would spit it out, as soon as it went into her mouth. With an overdose you would think there would be vomit or something.
who knows,maybe thats why we never hear from Ron anymore..he knows hes a goner an a guilty goner! makes me wonder!I have wondered plenty how he is laying in jail and all this going on,yet not a peep out of him!
No tears. No sincere concern. Nada.
I had a hard time after hearing all that earlier. Unfreaking believable.
Nothing to the Grace show. I think A.S. got off air fast lol Grannie was going to tell her a few things.It’s so sad for this baby girl. She is better off now, than she was with all the dope heads.I would be on nicey begging for someone to find my baby.She didn’t ask for help did she???
Misty hiding,what did i miss Random?
OUCH! My head hurts.Between the Croslins and Cummings going NATIONAL. We now have the Grandmas in the mix. No wonder Cobra got in so much trouble in this case. Poor Hayleigh she never had a chance. All sides of her family need to suffer for their part in her neglect and demise. I don’t care who they are. Get them all.
A.S?
Tuff,it is,thats a dadburned shame too! That little girl never had a chance and then Misty saying she F%^$$$ up her bday! and said it after she went “missing”
now i am 99.99% leaning toward my original thought about m’s tatoo….like a satanistic symbol between her and ron! to stick together no matter what sorta thing!
sorry girl’s but my heart pumps piss for everyone of em,I don’t like to cuss and stuff but heck i could cuss a blue streak right now!
Is GrandMa reading these blogs or someone feeding her info while someone writes letters to Misty and then Misty repeats them to GrandMa????? This was on another site. Weren’t the beds made and clothes in the dryer?
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“Said Misty told her Joe and Tommy were in another room with Haliegh.
Haliegh was screaming.
Misty in bedroom with covers over her head in fear. Doing nothing.
Heard the couch bouncing noises.”
but i hope your heart feels better,meant to add,lol
I keep picturing in my mind the picture of Haleigh and Jr. where Jr. is standing right by her and both of them are leaning their little heads the same way. You could tell that Jr. Loved his Sissy.
Man I could seriously get on board with burying these idiots up to their necks, pouring honey all over them and let a bunch of fire ants loose on em about now.
The jig is up ya numbskulls so start talking!
…Just saying.
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG NO
covered up my ass,
What’s the date on that, all liars?
LOL CathyJo! 🙂
ya know,its just interesting since i just heard that and now i’m a wreck inside but a body lang. expert said that when Misty speaks of “reaching the doorway she has an honest look of something horrifying that she saw at the moment,in in the va and hypn. test! but i don’t buy for a sec she was covered up and scared,unless they tied her up with the rope……….crazy!!! theres a window!
Someone had to tell gramma about the river –and if Tommy only told her to call the family then Misty must have told her because it certainly sounded like AS and TN were at the search site on Monday morning and LE chased them off.. AS admitted that gramma called her and told her.
my God i hadn’t heard that,that just shocked the daylights out of me!
I hate waiting for the forensic testing to be done. And since they have no body, what if they are inconclusive?
Tommy will do 3 years. Misty 25. Ron 25. Joe walks.
Tuff Stuff said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 10:24 pm LOL CathyJo!
Sorry,lol but that just grabbed me,i had never heard that,it blows me away!
Who unlocked that back door?
Chelsea made it sound as if she called Nanny (Flora) and told her about the letter and it was her idea to have them check Rt. 309?
she gave grandma down the road.lol
Ohhhh i think i gotcha now Tuff,covered my a%$…somebody should,lol along with my mouth!
omg another fruitcake in line for the dough!
Some neighbor reported having heard a woman scream. They did say woman, not…child?
omg
and people wonder why LE could not solve this case?!?! These people are all evil, and drugged on top of that.
I am not sure that we will never hear what really happened but at this point I am also not sure I want to hear it. If Misty hid under the covers and did nothing, I hope they never let her see the light of day again. She had a cell phone in the bedroom w/her and didn’t call 911?? Not saying I believe this newest version…only IF… !
Looks like it CathyJo.
PATHETIC!
omg i just keep getting madder,this is rohhhhhh
Lol, that’s what I was thinking cathyjo.
pathetic as heck,
and yea Cath,now you couldn’t believe her if she said she pee’d this morning,ya know…..liars!!!!!!!!
she had a window,she knew it was there……she took the blanket off it!
If the neighbors heard a woman scream that could back up a claim by Misty that she was being threatened like she said in the letter.
Do you know what time a scream was heard?
Granny said on one of her interviews Misty told her she is sure she will do no more than 5 years so I don’t think we will be hearing many truths anytime soon.
She could have dialed 911 and said nothing just like someone mentioned earlier. LE would have come out to do a welfare check type of thing anyway!
It’s as bogus as the rest of it has been imvho.
The scream was “about 2:15 AM.” But I have searched and never come across any proof that a neighbor said this. I know the next door neighbor said they heard her crying and “talking on the phone” about 2:30 AM…but they didn’t say scream. Someone else allegedly heard a woman scream @ 2:15.
I almost feel like i did 3 yrs ago,i finally got wits about me and broke it off with my fiancee and I swore then that no matter what it took,I’d stay away from him but i did love him,ya know but i got to where i recorded him screaming at me and stuff and hunny,everytime i even had a thought of him for a sec,I’d play that tape and end up even madder than before,lol but it worked!
No Random but i know what time it’ll be when i do cuz oh i am there sista!
So if all that new story version were true then at what point exactly did Cousin Joe threaten Misty with a knife?
Puhlease!
T N was going to pay misty to watch the babies.Misty said ask Ron. T.N. said it would be ok with him.I think Grannie got mixed up on that.I think. jmo
exactly Tuff,i will never believe that…unlesssssss they tied her ass up! and then i’d have to dig deep to find a heart in it!
Gosh cathartic, makes me want to see the phone logs. How long the call was and to who it was could fill in gaps.
Sorry all, but in those MH parks if a child was screaming in the middle of the night a lot of neighbors would have heard it. Those homes are not exactly soundproofed, imo.
I can’t get tape 1 to play but I listened to tape 2 and I read Hgmom’s transcript. I do NOT see what yall are so upset about please explain to me. TIA
LMBO Good thinking Tuff,exactly right!
dumbass will prolly say one held her while the other did!
I think these sudden phone calls from Misty and Tommy within fifteen minutes apart and other calls to her recently are a set up. Granny Hollar is falling for it not knowing they are setting up Joe jmo. Granny is definately reading and people telling her what to say and telling Misty what to tell her so she’ll keep spewing cuz they know she has a mouth on her.
The mention of the couch bouncing was only brought up again last week on NG’s show by a CALLER (probably a blogger) and now there’s the version from MISTY that she hid and the couch was bouncing? RIGHT~~~
Goodnight everyone.
Didn’t LE just recently ask TV personalities to back down with all the hype as it was jeopardizing the investigation?!
Yeah, free speech and all, but what has happened to the real issue….JUSTICE for HALEIGH????
suez, I think she was mixed up on alot of things why add this to the story tonight. When she originally told the story she didn’t have these details.
For me Treece,because his cold emotion i guess,he is talking about a gator eating his daughter and is as cool as a cucumber and now im mad aging cuz the latest tale of mistys i reckon!an then haleighs name,halay or some kinda stuff,fit to be tied most over the couch an m covered up,now..lol i know somebody can explain exactly to a tee but it aint me,lol
treece, Misty’s granny is coming up with a new scenario every time she turns around.
That’s the upset here, imo.
right Cath!
What the heck! Now I can’t go to sleep!
CathyJo said,
in April 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 pm
I almost feel like i did 3 yrs ago,i finally got wits about me and broke it off with my fiancee and I swore then that no matter what it took,I’d stay away from him but i did love him,ya know but i got to where i recorded him screaming at me and stuff and hunny,everytime i even had a thought of him for a sec,I’d play that tape and end up even madder than before,lol but it worked!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
CathyJo that was great therapy to do to yourself and it worked. It helped you to keep your head and truth instead of react from your heart. Good move.
its not a circus anymore,its the world fair,Chelsea in line now too!
All liars, where are you getting this information from?
Thats what i thought Treece,never told that on myself but i felt the same way tonight,the more i heard that was on the tapes.ewwwwwww
cathartic, thanks for explaining and that is for sure. It is like she has to add one more hurtful, tragic detail everytime she’s on TV. She has already changed things so much I don’t know why anyone is believing her.
I was going to try to catch up before posting but you guys have been busy…lol.
Here it is…Ron’s own words…It’s gonna hurt, so beware!
Ron/Cobra Audio2
Cobra: Now listen, this is important. You got any connection with the
cops?
Ron: No
Cobra: You got any MFer who can get you the shirt to me? I got Aqua
Search commin out here, to search. THey’ve got side scan radar. There &
at Dunns Bridge, both. I want em scanned, you know. I gotta look for a
dead child. I gotta look for a live child. Gotta do both.
Ron: (Excitedly) Let me tell you this…gators burough…
CObra: Yea…
Ron:They make buroughs…
Cobra: I know exactly what gators do…Man, I’m from Miami…
Ron: Well, they make buroughs, where there’s air pockets
Cobra: They’ll push em right back in there.
Ron: They’ll push their prey, even if it was a
Cobra: person/child
Ron: Thank You!
Cobra: I know brother. Man, I’m a hillbilly. I’m 52 yrs old, I know a few
things.
Ron: Well, I’m half your age and …
Cobra: That’s it….
Ron: and you can see that….
Cobra: You’re a father, man…
Ron: I’ve got a lot more knowledge then most MFers.
Cobra: You’re a father, man. That’s what the main thing is..
Ron: For Three & 1/2 years now I’ve had custody of these kids by myself,
(garbled)
Cobra: I know, brother. Cause maybe your girlfriend lost one. That’s the only thing that pops into my mind. Stick a screwdriver in there and pry on it, I guess, you know? I know one came up missing.That’s the only reason I know why.
Ron: UmmmHmmm (no emotion)
Cobra: Ain’t nobody heard nothin till your child come up missing.
Ron: Exactly
Cobra: That Joe…that Joe is such a good liar…such a good FN liar, man.
Ron: You know..you know what the thing is…
Cobra: What?
Ron:You know what the thing is?
Cobra: I just wanna go out and get a loan for the kidnappers, go kick ass on somebody.
Ron: (Silence)
Cobra:I keep forcast on Joe. I’m gonna take him out into the swamp…
ROn: Man…
Cobra: But I don’t know….I don’t know what his …I don’t what his…his FN levels are bro.
Ron: yea…I’m scared…I’m scared
Cobra: Now you, you don’t need to do shit..
Ron: Yea..
CObra: don’t you F around now, you got kids. You got kids to raise n stuff.
Ron: Listen, Jr’s gonna be with me till the day I die, even if he’s gotta go with me like that…He’s gonna be with me till the day I die. Daddy’s little boy.
Cobra: Hey MFer you better domesticate…
Ron: Just like Haleigh ‘s Daddy’s little girl. (Garbled)
(Sudden change of topic)
Cobra: So that’s Haleigh with a capital H. WHat’s that all about?
That how you spell it? I thought it was regular spelling…You spell it like that? Ha…Leigh? I mean a capital L…..
ROn:Well,
Cobra: Like 2 seperate names?
Ron: Well actually, that’s how was it was supposed to be on her Birth Certificate…
CObra: oh…
Ron: but I think they F’ed it up….
CObra: Oh…
Ron: Let me tell you this…that one right there….
CObra: I’m trying to read it man…
ROn: H-A-L-E-I-G-H
Cobra; That’s It
Ron: Let me tell you this…Crystal was titty-feeding Haleigh when I got this one
Cobra: Yea…
Ron: How come hers is just now getting on her back?
Now if Ron isn’t afraid to tell Cobra that he’d kill Jr before loosing him, he isn’t above using it to threaten their mother to keep her away.
“I’ll kill us all before I let you have them!”
yea,when she adds one fib to 1 true sentence then she’s unbelievable and she should know what she’s doing,theres enough untruths now!
Cobra has said something about what a nut Joe is and Ron says yes, do you know what he said…….
I took that as though he said it like yes, you are right Cobra, he’s a nut and said…….
Then they talked about how Gator live etc, acting like 2 red necks making sure the other knew how much they knew……..Then Ron said, so are you thinking that’s what happened to Haleigh? PRobably? I think he was asking Cobra if that’s his theory and Cobra said well we’re bringing the boats.
NOw is this not the jest of the tapes or am I just missing something?
Random Thoughts….LE should have Misty’s cell phone records, so they know if she was on the phone at 2:30 and with whom.
I bet we hear in the next couple days that Misty claims she was tied up with a rope….just because it was said here. JMO.
To the door handle on the outside of the MH too huh Cath?
Chit~n~a
well, Treece, that’s the jist of first audio….check out the 2nd….
I imagine Treece,or i know it is how i feel about it….anyhoo..even sitting there with his emotion all intact.speaking of such a thing as a gator had his dtr?? I mean my gosh i am sorry but that irritates me so bad,and then he’s talking about going like that if he does lose custody.crazy
but i will say one thing now,since Hollys added the text…………i will betcha ron was drinking or half drunk,just sounds like i drunk guy,ya know they never shut up and keep getting louder!
Tuff Stuff said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 10:54 pm All liars, where are you getting this information from?
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From reading these blogs too. The other part about Grandma say the bouncing thing was on SM. IIRC, that “bouncing theory” was brought up on these blogs last week and a caller mentioned it on NG’s show and ask about Jr saying the couch was bouncing.
The rest is just my opinion on why Grandma is changing her story and her stories are changing because she said Misty is telling her different things. The things she is saying coincide with what is being discussed on the blogs the past week and a half.
LE is correct somewhat asking the media to back off because they are listening to those calls and trying to sort fact from fiction and the more they talk about it on TV and the everchanging stories will get LE nowhere.
“Jr…He’s gonna be with me till the day I die, even if he’s gotta go out with me like that. Daddy’s little boy. Just like Haleigh’s Daddy’s little girl.”
Threats to end their lives rather then be seperated from them….I knew it all along! TM was right !
I’m not in any shape to deabte any of it. It tore me up and no amount of sugar coated nonsense is going to change what I heard on those tapes thank ya vey much.
~Goodnight & this time I mean it.
titty feedin’ sheeesh
thats what i was thinking Cath!!!!!
“debate” sheesh I’m tired.
bye
Tuff…we know the truth….
I couldn’t say it when Treece asked but ty Holly’s! Just like..omg its bizarre
Someone in the family read what everybody was saying about the “point in any other direction” defense and it is in full force!!!
and when you think about it remember the truancy,b/c she missed so much school?
I am not too worried about whether Granny is getting info from bloggers or wherever…any phone calls from T or M to Granny, and any letters to them or from her…LE has that info. LE knows what Granny was and was not told by *them*.
I had a horrible thought when reading the transcript where R talks about Jr. being with him til he dies.
It’s awful, and I won’t post my thought. But some here might know what I think R meant.
it sounds like he was buzzed or drunk and didn’t think what he was saying.like it just rolled out there!no emotion,nothing!
i know,thats why i cant speak it either!
YW! If any body doubts the transcript, re-listen to the audios while reading the transcripts I posted. THe 2nd audio is hard for you guys to hear due to the siren, but I was able to reduce that siren and can clearly hear all of the conversation with the exception of the part I labeled (garbled). That section was 2-3 sentences of Ron talking about the Daddy’s girl, Haleigh issue. I will copy that section to pull Ron’s audio closer and siren noise down more. I will let you know what I find.
Email me for any questions.
a drunk will tell you the truth in a heartbeat!!!!!!! I do know that!!!
you see Treece,its just unexcusable,if he had one oz. of sompassion in his voice but he didn’t ya know!
Yes CathyJo…that was what he was saying…He’d kill them bnefore loosing them.
Did Haleigh ask to live with her mom? Was Ron afraid he’d loose custody of her and could play it off as an abduction? He clearly says he will kill his son rather then loose him. He SAYS IT!!!!
It’s kind of creepy to think we could be feeding them ideas.
Like we are their own personal thinktank. Uugh.
Now, he was BRAGGING!!! Just like Tim Miller said….but only this was to Cobra Waaayyy before TM came along. Here’s to those who dissed TM and claimed it was a lie!
he could have remember HG?? For missing to much school,he was having to go to court wasn’t he??
I’m crying here.
HGM, that was what I thought he was saying.
atleast thats what i thought from before and thats what tore me up the most!
imo thats what he was saying!
Random Thoughts….I can just hear the wheels turning in Misty’s little toy mind…
“Oh, a rope! Now why didn’t I think of that? Yeah, they tied me up with a rope and…”
Just wait, we will hear how Misty was tied up and could do nothing, I’m willing to bet!
treece,whered ya go,lol
Yes, he was in jeopardy of loosing her due to school issues, MG was about to level sexual abuse allegation (allegedly). Now I’m not saying it’s true, sex abuse. Just that I’ve known those types before, the “IF I can’t have you…” type and they are always abusers. Ownership issues. THey BELONG to him. Not just that he’s their father and stuff….he’s their GOD.
just another thought here. i listened to the voice stress test for Misty. Something about it seems very sincere to me. So i got to thinking about Grandma Hollar’s comment about Misty hiding under the sheet with Jr.
Could Misty have PTSD from childhood trauma? Could she have been traumatized by what she saw?
Some info. on PTSD = Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and memory loss:
Even relatively normal amounts of stress have been linked to poor memory and cognitive function, so can memory loss be s symptom of PTSD as well? The answer is obvious, but the explanation is not as simple as saying that forgetting traumatic memories is only a coping mechanism. It is important to note that memory loss associated with PTSD is not only limited to blocking off past traumatic experiences, but can also affect short term memory or the ability of the brain to store and recall new memories.
Studies suggest that the psychological effects of PTSD may in fact correspond to the actual physical damage to the brain as a result of trauma. Particularly affected by stress is the part of the brain called the hippocampus, which is responsible for organizing memories and making associations. Thus can memory loss be a symptom of PTSD. Fragmented and dissociative memory are some indications of the impairment, and experiencing flashbacks or nightmares may be related symptoms.
Brain scans using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) can illustrate the amount of physical damage that has been incurred in relation to PTSD. A number of Vietnam War veterans have been found to have an 8% reduction in the size of their right hippocampus, while no other differences were seen in other sections of the brain.
Damage to the hippocampus can get in the way of making new memories and overall cognitive function as well. Some of the latest research show that among the functions of the hippocampus is to build new nerve cells, also called neurons, which are responsible for transmitting brain impulses. Stress, especially PTSD, can damage this function. Respectively, a decline in the number of neurons results in poor memory function. Among the many concerns regarding the implications of the research is that those who have experienced trauma, especially in childhood, can be at a great disadvantage when it comes to learning.
So now that’s 2 confirmed accounts of Ron saying he’d kill his chilren rather then loose them. I say 2 because Tim Miller is more credible then Ron, TN, or all of them rolled together, IMO!
OK I have listened to tape #4 for the 4th time and I honestly don’t hear that. I really can’t hear half of that tape and none of tape #1 so I guess that is why it wasn’t upsetting to me. I understand how yall are feeling if you heard Ron say he would kill Jr.
I feel like I am in the twilight zone right now so correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t Tim Miller say he does not believe Ron had anything to do with Haleigh being missing??
higherhopes 10:53PM said:
I spoke with her earlier today and I ask if she would please ask Sykes why didnt Teresa go get the grandkids when Misty called her and asked her too,……I dont know where she got the version she told…lol….but, at least Im glad she asked, even if she got it wrong….lol….but maybe thats the way she heard it from her family uhhh ex-family in Florida……anyways….Im gonna call her tomorrow and at least thank her for asking it.
Thanks for the transcripts (again) HOLLYSGMOM, but may I ask how did you interpret Rons tone of voice.I can’t listen so I can read your transcripts and am wonderin if he seemed off as other posters have commented on. THANKS AGAIN!
Treece…I’m gonna email you my improved copy. You’ll hear it…
Could Misty have PTSD from childhood trauma? Could she have been traumatized by what she saw?
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weren’t the beds made? All that talk about blanket and pee?
My last post comes from some personal experience. When I am traumatized or perceive danger i become panicked. It is like being frozen in time. Almost paralyzed. I am not making excuses for any possible wrong doing, but,is it possible Misty’s memory of that night
was diluted from panick and hysteria? Has she blocked a traumatic memory? Is that why she fails all her tests? When she looked at Ronald in that interview for an answer was she really unclear on what the answer was? I think it’s possible. JMO
i don’t know Treece,tm? dunno if he believed him or got along or what!
but we know m and r said he made them leave town w/o their phones and all that??
but we know m and r said he made them leave town w/o their phones and all that??
If Misty hurt Haleigh, or sat back and did nothing while others hurt her, I hope she stays behind bars for life. She stayed quiet on this too long to have any redeeming qualities left, imo. I had some empathy for her for her childhood, but I no longer have that. My compassion is all for Haleigh and Jr.
And I even hold TN and GGSykes responsible for what happened; they knew that household was not a fit environment for children. For the kids’ sake, they should have let go of their adoration for Ron and been working toward getting those kids out of Ron’s custody, imo.
If she was traumatized by something she saw that night, she could remember everything up to that point. When she says she woke up to find Haleigh missing that could have some truth to it.
Everything is not black and white in this life.
I see her in that stress test as a little kid. All excited to answer the questions at first. Than her face drops. Her voice starts to quiver. There seems to be a blank space at one point in time. Than she talks about her panick when she doesn’t find Haleigh.
please don’t through tomatoes at me. I have lived with PTSD a long time.
No Treece,for once i have to disagree with you,it’s not b/c you couldn’t hear it,it’s because you only see the good in everything,lol
true too Mary,actually my original theory was similar,i assumed it to mean that maybe she just wasn’t home.had snuck out?? and then came home to find her gone…..
maryd…
PTSD is entirely possible. I know about PTSD because I have that dx from traumatic events from childhood.
However, I have to say that I cannot let Misty slide on this because to me that MH looked staged. LE found no drugs–not even prescription drugs–in the home, from what I recall. Who doesn’t have at least some meds in their home?
The home was cleaned out before 911 was called. Even if Misty was so traumatized that she did not recall what happened to Haleigh, she was soon after lucid enough to clean up and stage the scene. She may have had help, but she was involved in the staging, imo. And that’s inexcusable. She should have called 911 immediately, the second she “woke up.” But, I don’t think she did. I think she went into CYA mode instead.
JMO.
even i felt real bad when she said,”come on.how much can a 17 yr old take…and then “my life’s not gonna get any better don’t look like”
maryd, no one is “throwing” tomatoes at you.
What is your opinion on why Misty is contacting the supposed estranged GrandMother and telling things? All different versions at that? I thought PTSDO victims have the same story?!?
maryd;
I too have PTSD from childhood issues. So I do know what your saying. Excessive fear sometimes causes paralasis especiallt PTSD sufferers. However, I just can not excuse it if she really did sit by while Haleigh was ravaged & killed> I will NOT excuse it. You or I would never do so under those circumstances so I see no reason for her to do so. SHe should have told LE everything IMMEDIATELY if nothing else. SHe did not forget a thing. SHe has no problems resurrecting the memories now…why then?
right,I think it was stage too,and i also wonder now if ron didn’t place the brick there when he got home?
CathyJo, I take that as a complement but one I don’t deserve. I don’t see good in much lately. LOL I have a head ache and am going to bed. Hope you all have sweet dreams!!!
Hgmom, thank you for the clean copy!!
if your dtr is missing and your back door is open why would you not go out that door very first thing?
cathartic said,
in April 22nd, 2010 at 11:49 pm
maryd…
PTSD is entirely possible. I know about PTSD because I have that dx from traumatic events from childhood.
However, I have to say that I cannot let Misty slide on this because to me that MH looked staged. LE found no drugs–not even prescription drugs–in the home, from what I recall. Who doesn’t have at least some meds in their home?
The home was cleaned out before 911 was called. Even if Misty was so traumatized that she did not recall what happened to Haleigh, she was soon after lucid enough to clean up and stage the scene. She may have had help, but she was involved in the staging, imo. And that’s inexcusable. She should have called 911 immediately, the second she “woke up.” But, I don’t think she did. I think she went into CYA mode instead.
JMO.
Cathartic
If Misty was in a panick under the sheets with Jr. maybe the scene wasn’t staged. If TC or Joe or both left with Haleigh they may have propped the door open when they left. As for the drugs I’d guess Ronald would have disposed of them before LE showed up. Just a possibility.
Hugs Treece,Gnite!!!!!!
there is one truth in this story..
misty woke up and haleigh was gone..
all the rest are unsubstantiated allegations, cya accusations, and baldfaced lies from folks who weren’t there.
If misty has said anything different its because of the Abu Ghraib like pressure (torture) she has been subjected too.
LE bungled this case from day one and they are back at square one! the slackjawed idiots!
My sister Loretta is just like ya,don’t see bad in even a horror story!lol
Haleigh is hidden and not at Old SHell Harbour Rd boat ramp/docks. That was to convince LE that JO did it. The real spot is still unknown….until someone finally tells.
wow,ew you scared the devil outta me Oj!
All Liars said,
in April 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 pm
maryd, no one is “throwing” tomatoes at you.
What is your opinion on why Misty is contacting the supposed estranged GrandMother and telling things? All different versions at that? I thought PTSDO victims have the same story?!?
Well if my new theory is correct. She may have blurred memory of that event, and is now so pressured for answers she is just tossing out possibilities. Some of which could have some truth.
Treece;
You’re more then welcome.
Holly’s,did you know that the dog barking complaint was at 11:am in the day??????
odd for daytime,usually those come in at night?
HGmom, no tape – LOL
I have run the spectrum of theories on this case, but tonight something clicked with GM Hollars talk about her hiding under the sheets with Jr. Than I always felt the stress test seemed very sincere for the most part. I don’t know what happened but this to me is a possibility. And Cathy I have a sister named Loretta too. Just sayin.
OJ’s Glove———- What a sense of humor you have about Misty and your postings. Be careful, some may think you are serious.
WinterRose said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 8:16 pm On twitter everyone is saying Donna/boo211(twitter nic)/poco(topix nic)/higherhope(scared monkeys nic),from Florida wanted Flora’s phone number and gave her information.So,since there was new information tonight by Flora,again,what was she told to ask?The one thing I heard was about Misty wanting TN to babysit for her.How much is Flora getting online from bloggers?LE needs to interview her and find out what bloggers are giving her information and how much she is actually getting from Misty,since her stories keep changing.
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It’s true, she’s writing over at SM about Flo talking to her today and telling her that Hank and Lisa had called also.
So now we know why NannyFlo can’t keep her stories straight, DONNA SUE, HigherHope, Poco, Boo211, needs to BUTT OUT of it! She’s feeding Flo theories and Flo is going on national tv repeating everything this evil witch is telling her.
Unreal!! Absolutely unreal.
LE need to go talk to Donna Sue, like they don’t have enough to do.
I hope there are some serious law suits after this case is finally solved.
You watch, NannyFlo will have a different tale to tell tomorrow, courtesy of Donna Sue.
CathyJo, odd, yes bass ackwards, like everything else around this case.
Ron was supposedly home for barely 12 minutes before LE arrived. I am not sure he could have cleaned out that home of all its contraband in that amount of time, and gotten it somewhere far enough away where it would not have been found early on by LE.
Unless it was found and we just never heard.
I will say there certainly is something radically wrong with Misty. Maybe if she goes to prison on the drug charges, and is there long enough, she can get psychiatric treatment. In her case, it might not help…but it sure wouldn’t hurt.
Really, I am convinced the true story of what happened will never be known. I think LE knows, but until they get corroboration enough for an indictment, WE the people will never know.
Well, let’s look at it this way….
If your PTSD trauma was about something that occurred but people don’t often talk about it, memories stay reserved, in back-ground.
However, if your trauma is constantly in the fore-front of your mind either through your own thoughts or other’s questions & talk about it, flashback often occur. Therein she would have re-lived at least part or in full the entire event FULLY. THat means emotionally, physically, like watching a movie.
TO me the public & LE scrutiny would cause her more memories, not less. BUt as always JMO
Well, let’s look at it this way….
If your PTSD trauma was about something that occurred but people don’t often talk about it, memories stay reserved, in back-ground.
However, if your trauma is constantly in the fore-front of your mind either through your own thoughts or other’s questions & talk about it, flashback often occur. Therein she would have re-lived at least part or in full the entire event FULLY. THat means emotionally, physically, like watching a movie.
TO me the public & LE scrutiny would cause her more memories, not less. BUt as always JMO
A full moon was shining that night. Your question, is how did junior see a man dressed in black if no lights were on in the house? is such a great question.
A Neighbor heard screams in or around the trailor,at 2:25 am, so did a crime happen at that time?
I am very confident this mystery will be solved.
http://www.bloggernews.net/120167
Maryd the beds were made and no one could look under any beds also liked they claimed. The matresses were on the floor. Did Misty make the beds before she called Joe and the police arrived????
Sorry about the re-post…not sure why it happened…
Treece; Sorry I forgot to add the file…Ooops! I will try again. BRB
Sorry, I was not talking to the blogger here named “Really.” I often start sentences that way. And just now noticed a person here using that nic LOL.
Ok Treece…it’s on it’s way…
was lookin for something,hm sec
OyVey,
i think the looking under the beds was made more of than deserved. If your kid is missing you would look everywhere for her. They had regular beds in their rooms to look under, I believe. The beds being made, well, not sure how true that is. I guess a lot of answers would be with jr. unless he is too young or was given medicine. Don’t know.
HGM…
My take from your transcript was that Ron was talking suicide. Cobra told him not to go doing anything, that he had kids to think about. That made me think he was thinking suicide, and taking Jr. with him. Ugh.
Tim Miller believed Ronald.
He’s always doubted Misty.
Yet even my latest theory doesn’t explain Ronalds behavior to me.
cathartic said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 12:17 am HGM…
My take from your transcript was that Ron was talking suicide. Cobra told him not to go doing anything, that he had kids to think about. That made me think he was thinking suicide, and taking Jr. with him. Ugh.
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That was my take on it also, AFTER he’d taken the trash out. IMO
Tim Miller was pretty fed up with all the members of that family by the time he left, imo.
tim miller poisoned misty!
His judgement isn’t so great.. He funded Donna Brock at first so his opinion and judgement is DOG$4!+!!
Yes, murder suicide rather then loose him…or take him with him when he goes type thing.
Wayanne Kruger says that ROn Sr would not allow Jr to go to couseling. I think it was due to him not wanting Jr to tell what he knew. Whether that was just drug dealing or much more, we may never know.
Whatever OJ….that’s YOUR opinion. Everbody knows what really happened with TM. Sending DB in was a good idea at least until she crossed the line. I believe Ronald did that with the gun in front of Jr & TM. I believe it, especially now.
WHo were Ron’s witnesses that it didn’t happen? TN? GGMS? Exactly my point!
wrong! as DB serves years in prison I’m positive she’ll be reassured you thought it wsa “a good idea”.
This case is eerily similar to a case that was brought up on another site. Drugs and guns and what-have-you, and kids in the home. Mother comes home from work (night shift) to find her 5-year-old daughter missing.
Search ensuse, Mom is there helping to search. She comments on how hot the day is and that she really should be sitting in an air-conditioned bar, because she would never have a better opportunity for free drinks. Also comments that everyone suspects her BF (he was babysitting when child disappeared) but no one suspects her because she was “at work.”
That mother suggested a place for LE to search for her daughter, and they did find the body there.
It’s been four years and case is unsolved. BF is in prison now on unrelated crime, but Mom is out and about, and still a druggie.
I’ve been sick with a massivee head cold for about 4 days now, so I’m headed back to bed. Snuggle up to hubby and watch Avatar.
Brian Ladd of BriansDreams had a dream last week that I hope is about Haleigh. It says:
04/23/2010 It all ends
See you guys later or tomorrow…
Thanks for all your work transcribing, HGM.
Does anyone know when and under what circumstance those audio tapes were made? Who was recording them? The (presumed) Cobra? And for what reason?
I have a feeling that entire conversation has been taken out of context. It also appears to have been spliced (not continuous).
Where did they come from and who were they given to?
Very suspicious
night is day
up is down
Yes, thank you HollysGmom. I’ve been waiting all evening to read your transcription. That was a lot of work. 😉
Dyann, I am not sure what Cobra’s reasons were for recording interviews, but he recorded everything, regardless of who he was speaking with. This was early in the investigation, when he was brought in to help find Haleigh. Cobra gave all information he got from interviews to LE at the time. For answers to all your questons on this issue, you would have to speak with Cobra.
Dyann, sorry if I sounded rude in my earlier response; it was not intended. But you really would have to ask Cobra directly about the purpose of his recordings. He would naturally want to have a record of his investigation and I suspect he preferred audio recording over handwritten notes.
I remember and need to find the phone call from Misty to Grandma she had written a letter to Chelsea I think blaming Joe and while on the phone in the background was Joe’s mom and they were drilling Misty she denied writing the letter and saying that.
Grandma was not happy with her in that phone call anyone remember this conversation?
Nancy Grace knows Ron killed HaLeigh and she knows how to play him.
Ron: For Three & 1/2 years now I’ve had custody of these kids by myself,
(garbled)
Cobra: I know, brother. Cause maybe your girlfriend lost one. That’s the only thing that pops into my mind. Stick a screwdriver in there and pry on it, I guess, you know? I know one came up missing.That’s the only reason I know why.
Ron: UmmmHmmm (no emotion)
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I don’t remember hearing that call, and I think I have heard all of them that has been posted on Blogger News. Maybe, I missed one.
Wow, my question didn’t post.
Thanks cathartic 😉
So, about the quote I just posted above. Anyone know what that was all about? Lost what?
Screwdriver into what?
dpierce> Yes, I know which convo you’re talking about but I don’t remember where I heard it either.
I don’t care what direction their going in do a lie detector test on the guy, if he refuses then some thing is up. Let him get his own through his lawyer but also someone for the Police there. White boy Greg was given a test and he wasn’t even suspected of being around the home that night just that he was with Misty in the days prior to this happening. With in days probably hours of Haleigh gone missing Police knew who Ronald called that night. They new the van had been moved and that Joe and Tommy were around Haleigh on the day she went missing yet they do not test them? WTFlip is that?? They had Tommy in “knocking on walls” but they do not test him?WTFlip is wrong with their minds?? They screwed up bad, real bad. I would not believe this story unless I had proof due to the amount of pressure Misty is under. She might think it’s just easier to tell a story and get it over with. She may blame herself and feel guilty that she could not stop what was happening. Silence may have been brought on by several factors, fear of losing Ronald, what ever abuse she has gone through coming out, being turned on, saying she was afraid may not necessarily mean she was only physically afraid. There could be a number of things going on. Chealsea will find out soon enough if Misty and or Tommy called it’s not debatable the calls are all recorded.
I was shocked at how fast they got Jr out of Gma Sykes home, and put him with Crystal. I am not surprised by the decision to do that because she was the bio mom. I was surprised by the speed of it. Maybe, they wanted him out of there just in case RC managed to get out of jail. I think RC is the type to commit suicide and take Jr. with him, if he got desperate enough. MC and RC carrying all those drugs around is a good cause, however. With one child already missing, it was past time. I think RC thinks of children and wives as his to do with what he wishes.
Dyann…it’s a way to induce miscarriage. I believe that’s what was being said. But I will also hide behind it being JMO!
The whole bunch are indeed some very sick individuals. JMO again.
Karon, I never could understand why Jr. was not removed from Ron’s custody immediately, rather than months later after a drug arrest. It seems DCF did not investigate him at all, or just asked him a few questions and didn’t inquire further. I have never met Ron, yet I had him pegged, so how could DCF have been so blind?
dpierce:
Have you looked on News Runner? There are alot of tapes on this case listed under Misty Croslin.
Do we have any idea when LE is going to say something?
You would think by now they would of made some kind of move? Wonder if they are in no big hurry because the 3 involved are sitting in jail going nowhere…?
Do we know if there was any truth to LP or whomever bonding Ron out and the FBI said not so fast? That if true is pretty telling.
I really believe if Joe was involved he would of been arrested on “something”?
TN KNOWS something….
I think JO will be arrested. I don’t think it was a mere coincidence that on his last night there, Haleigh came up missing.
Cathartic:
I thought he should have been taken out of the home much earlier with all of RC’s threats and HC missing, the fights, the headless rat, and they had to know about his drug activity. I don’t know why they were so lax about RC.
I don’t understand it either, Karon. He seems to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and to whomever he wants…and got away with it all. I won’t be surprised if he walks from the drug charges. Livid, but not surprised.
Dusty Rose:
LE can’t force JO or TC to take LDTs. TC made a lot of noise about taking a LDT, but when it came right down to it, he seemed to be hedging alot.
Cathartic:
They may have wanted to get him on something bigger, IDK. I suspect that may have been part of the problem, but I sure hated to see Jr. caught up in all of theat mess. I do believe the grandmothers were trying to keep him safe, but they could only do so much.
Well, I believe the grandmothers knew the environment the kids were living in at the MH. I will reserve further comment.
dpierce:
The way this case is moving, right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t an arrest tonight. For one thing, Gma Flo is getting them all talking and covering up for each other. The more they talk, the more there’s a possibilty of someone letting something important slip.
Cathartic:
I know, I agree.I thought like you did all along, but every time I said anything, someone yelled at me. I didn’t understand why they didn’t see the problems, but they didn’t. People have a tendency to think parents love their children and will take care of them, and they don’t seem to realize that some parents harm their children.
I know, Karon. It was hard to really question anything or point out any of the problems without it being called bashing. I am not a gossip and I don’t bash my neighbors, or family. Now, family bashes ME, but that’s their way, not mine. With my very first BNN post I was labeled a Ron-basher. And all I said was he should have known better than to have Misty as a babysitter. So, it’s hard to state your opinion here…but I do believe both GMSykes and TN turned a blind eye to how the children were living. And that’s just not OK, imo.
Noreen,
I wonder what other bloggers have called Flora to give her info besides Donna.I wonder what NG would think if she knew her “credible witness getting info from Misty” is actually getting it from bloggers.
You all seem to be confusing a bad father and a killer. I believe Ron loves his children and he put them in danger by exposing them to his lifestyle and being lazy about getting Haleigh off to school is not good. Should he have had custody? No. Should their mom have had them? No. Living with her would have been basically the same environment. Unfortunately they should have gone to foster care until the parents were clean and had completed intense parenting classes. Should Ron be charged with child endangerment? You bet ya he should. However, I do not believe he murdered his daughter either accidently or on purpose. He’s just a poor looser who didn’t know how to be a good dad. I feel sorry for his loss because no one deserves to have their child murdered. Legally taken away, yes. Murdered, No. I pray that soon the person who murdered Haleigh, is brought to justice. Also, everyone who placed that child in danger should be charged.
WinterRose said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 5:37 am Noreen,
I wonder what other bloggers have called Flora to give her info besides Donna.I wonder what NG would think if she knew her “credible witness getting info from Misty” is actually getting it from bloggers.
Hello Winterrose — recognize you from the old Caylee blog on Fox Orlando.
Tommy’s lawyer said Tommy only told his grandmother to call family members. If that is true then when Misty called 15 mins later she told gramma where Haleigh was. It was corroborated by Ron’s gma last night. She said, yes, Flora called her and told her where Haleigh was and she and TN went down to look but police chased them out.
I think gramma may be getting lots of stories from different sides of the families but I think she is telling what she is hearing from family. JMO
Trusting a teenager to watch one’s children is not a crime nor even wrong, imo. I was 13 years old when I started babysitting for my neighbors. I am now 54, the mother of 5 and proud grandmmother of 7. I, too, have been following this case from the beginning and firmly believe that RC knows what happened to his daughter and, in fact, is responsible. Imo, something terrible happened before he went to work that night…lost his temper, gave her something to quiet her or told Misty to. Misty and Tommy know and possibly Joe. They all planned a cover up and then RC went to work. Why would he call Misty 90 times during those hours…to find out how things were going! Then if he was so anxious about Misty not answering her phone, why did he stop to get beer, cigarettes or snacks on the way home? The 911 call sounded so staged and RC’s reaction and responses were totally inappropriate for someone who’s child is missing. Misty is scared to death of Ronald. She knows if she talks, she might end up like Haleigh. So they all point the finger at cousin Joe…a likely suspect. How can he be a pedophile as everyone was saying? He’s only a year or so older than Misty and there are no records of him as a RSO. If he was “messing” with her when she was young, that means he was young, too. And who knows if whatever happened between them was consentual…raging hormones. I don’t buy it. Anyway, didn’t RC’s lawyer recently say that RC hopes that Misty was threatened or forced to keep quiet and that’s why she wouldn’t talk to him. I believe that was Ronald Cumming’s way of sending a subliminal message to the Croslins that they better keep quiet, still. All of this is my opinion and only that. None of the other theories make any sense. The fight over the gun…in one version, Misty and Chelsea found it, in another RC found it and cleaned it. C’mon…no one takes a child and kills her over that…even if they are the Cummings and Croslins we’re talking about! They are all guilty of something. I’m not convinced Haleigh was intentionally murdered. It may have been accidental, whether physically or drug-induced…no intent to kill her; but nonetheless, it happened. Paramedics should have been called immediately. Ok…so someone faces charges of child endangerment or manslaughter. This whole circus would have been done and over with and Haleigh would be laid to rest in peace.
A few facts everyone need to remember:
The police have already verified that calls were made to Grandma Hollars and transcripts will not be released due to the pending investigation.
Grandma Sykes raised Ron and his sister not Teresa Neves. So, where did Ron pick up his drug dealing pedophile abusive moral characteristic morals?
Ron has never been involved with a female of legal age. He was controlling and abusive in every relationship that he has had. It’s all been reported.
Look @ all the players in the most recent drug bust and the charges along with the bonds. Ron wasn’t involved in a major sting operation with the cops. He was a major player.
Ron’s behavior down there in Satsuma has been suspect from the get go. Look @ the facts and the reports of his activities since little HaLeigh’s disappearence.
What really happened to HaLeigh with all the information at hand. The Police know exactly what they are dealing with.
HollysGmom said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 11:19 pm Yes CathyJo…that was what he was saying…He’d kill them bnefore loosing them.
Did Haleigh ask to live with her mom? Was Ron afraid he’d loose custody of her and could play it off as an abduction? He clearly says he will kill his son rather then loose him. He SAYS IT!!!!
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Why do you keep posting that over and over and over? That is YOUR interpretation of what he meant. When I listen I do not interpret it that way at all. Not even close. What he is saying is that Jr. is going to be with him until he dies, even if he has to be there when RC dies, and he knows it would be hard for Jr. to be around when he dies, but he wants him close always, no matter what.
He DOES NOT say anything about killing his children, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
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Yes, he was in jeopardy of loosing her due to school issues, MG was about to level sexual abuse allegation (allegedly). Now I’m not saying it’s true, sex abuse. Just that I’ve known those types before, the “IF I can’t have you…” type and they are always abusers. Ownership issues. THey BELONG to him. Not just that he’s their father and stuff….he’s their GOD.
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That is just a lie, he was not in jeopardy of losing custody of either of those children. They had a custody hearing, he won, they had a DCF investigation, he was cleared of all that. Stop telling lies.
A few facts everyone need to remember:
The police have already verified that calls were made to Grandma Hollars and transcripts will not be released due to the pending investigation.
Grandma Sykes raised Ron and his sister not Teresa Neves. So, where did Ron pick up his drug dealing pedophile abusive moral characteristic morals?
Ron has never been involved with a female of legal age. He was controlling and abusive in every relationship that he has had. It’s all been reported.
Look @ all the players in the most recent drug bust and the charges along with the bonds. Ron wasn’t involved in a major sting operation with the cops. He was a major player.
Ron’s behavior down there in Satsuma has been suspect from the get go. Look @ the facts and the reports of his activities since little HaLeigh’s disappearence.
What really happened to HaLeigh with all the information at hand. The Police know exactly what they are dealing with.
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These are NOT facts. It’s crap you have made up. Post all the sources and documentation to back up all these “facts”. I won’t hold my breath.
Boat Ramp Construction
The prop wash can erode the pond bottom at the end of the ramp, resulting in sloughing or breaking of the slab. (some boat ramp construction info I found)
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I’ve been thinking…dangerous, I know…but, what if boat ramps sometimes de-materialize underneath. It’s not like erosion is a new concept. So there could be areas where there are, for example, space in between land and concrete, or holes in the concrete. The reason I started thinking of this is because of that sick feeling I got a while back when I visioned Haleigh in between land and something light colored. At first I thought of a tank, but now that we know they have been searching this boat ramp I am wondering about other possibilities. I do not believe in psychic abilities, but I did ask God to show me where she was. I do not feel I should ask God for something and then ignore it. What do you guys think, and please don’t say I’m crazy.
HollysGmom said,Ron: Just like Haleigh ’s Daddy’s little girl. (Garbled)
Ron: Listen, Jr’s gonna be with me till the day I die, even if he’s gotta go with me like that…He’s gonna be with me till the day I die. Daddy’s little boy.
Cobra: Hey MFer you better domesticate…
Ron: Just like Haleigh ’s Daddy’s little girl. (Garbled
(Sudden change of topic)
Cobra: So that’s Haleigh with a capital H. WHat’s that all about?
That how you spell it? I thought it was regular spelling…You spell it like that? Ha…Leigh? I mean a capital L…..
ROn:Well,
Cobra: Like 2 seperate names?
Ron: Well actually, that’s how was it was supposed to be on her Birth Certificate…
CObra: oh…
Ron: but I think they F’ed it up….
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I think he was showing Cobra his new tattoo which says under her image “daddy’s little girl”
creepy….
My daughters had bibs that said, “Daddy’s little girl”. I don’t think it’s creepy.
On another note…Hollars talked on NG last night about Haleigh screaming while JO apparently raped her. Misty was threatened so she got under a blanket with Jr. Now, Jr. saw a man in black, but he never said he heard his sissy screaming. I know CS does not want to talk to Jr. about Haleigh, because she does not think it would be good for him. If I were her, I would let Jr. talk to a child psychiatrist about what happened that night.
Honestly, you all think that Tommy, Misty, Joe, Timmy, Chelsea, Lindsy, GGM Sykes, and Teresa N., are all so “in love with” or “scared of” Ron that they would all cover for him? Really?? There is no way. Someone would have implicated him long before now. Do you really believe that LE would not check him and his alibi of being at work out?
That they would take Misty and Tommy out to a boat dock to show where the body was taken and not bring RC along at some point? Put Misty and RC or Tommy and RC in the same car like they did Misty and Tommy to get an “excited utterance”?
That they would not in 14 months even cast a tiny glimmer of suspicsion at him? That Tommy or Misty would never in 14 months mention that maybe RC was involved? Instead they implicate each other (in Tommy’s case, implicate himself) and cousin Joe, but NOT RC? It makes no sense.
How many of you know a Grandmother or GGMother that would cover up the death of a child? GGM Sykes has no reason to lie about dropping off laundry, seeing Haleigh at that time, why would she? What would be in it for her to lie and face criminal charges for interference with an investigation? She has nothing to gain by saying that. If she were lying she could have just said, I didn’t see the kids, I just dropped the laundry off to Misty.
If you are able to take your emotions and dislike of RC and his actions out of the equation, it is easy to see he is not and could not possibly have been involved. I’m sorry but when people are looking at the death penalty, they are not going to try and “protect” the guilty party, unless it is themselves.
KAREN said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 am
That they would not in 14 months even cast a tiny glimmer of suspicsion at him? That Tommy or Misty would never in 14 months mention that maybe RC was involved? Instead they implicate each other (in Tommy’s case, implicate himself) and cousin Joe, but NOT RC? It makes no sense.
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I wouldn’t be so quick to say Tommy implicated himself? Gramma said Tommy told her Joe did it and 15 minutes later Misty called her and told her Joe did it and about the boat dock. Tommy’s atty said he did not confess and only told Gramma to call family members.
Perhaps LE went to Tommy AFTER gramma tipped them off *as to what Misty said* or they heard the phone conversation and Tommy took them to show them were he and Joe fished — where all the alligators were. There is nothing pointing to Tommy — *yet*
Who is MG?
Where did you see it? I don’t see it. Probably a typo.
Where did you see it? I don’t see it. Probably a typo.
I don’t know what sickens me more….the latest Cobra/Ron tapes where Ron can talk about his child basically being eaten by alligators without a hint of emotion…..or the NG exchange where it was claimed that Joe threatened Misty so she and Jr. hid under the covers while Haleigh was raped by Joe and Tommy in the other room….Haleigh screaming and Misty hiding and not responding to the child’s cries. I literally threw up last night after listening to the tapes and watching NG. I had vowed not to watch but I couldn’t resist and I now regret my weakness.
I can only hope that the reason for Ron’s callousness in the above tapes is drug related…possibly numbed by cocaine or other drugs. It sickens and disgusts me the way he can talk about his child. While he’s always been subject to my endless rants on poor parenting, he has now reached new lows in my eyes.
But this latest story of Joe raping Haleigh has a ring of truth to it. All the pieces fit. It explains why Misty kept quiet….not out of fear of Joe but out of guilt for not helping Haleigh. It explains Tommy’s silence….either he took part in the rape or he didn’t stop Joe and so again, his guilt kept him quiet.
Ron humiliated Joe over the stolen gun and this was Joe’s retaliation when he couldn’t steal the second gun. It was a fit of anger. It explains the “couch bouncing”. It explains them having to get rid of Haleigh afterwards as she could tell on them. It explains why Misty has pointed at Joe in the past but her reluctance to tell the WHOLE truth about how she was there and did nothing to save this child. Afterall, she loved Ron and she knew this would devestate him and bring on his full wrath.
It is possible Haleigh was placed on a blanket on the couch and that blanket was disposed of with her and thus no dna evidence on the couch from the rape.
It is possible Joe strangled Haleigh after raping her and then he and Tommy disposed of her leaving Misty at home to stage the house with the door and the brick and to get her story straight. Tommy may have taken Misty to the dumping site at a later date and showed her where Haleigh was dumped and that is how she knows where Haleigh’s body is.
It would also explain all of Misty’s failed LDT’s…because she is NOT telling the whole truth out of the guilt of knowing she could have stopped Joe and saved Haleigh….but she didn’t. She knows she can point at Joe and he’ll deny it….so there is no fear in doing that….she knows he won’t say “Yeah, I did it but you did nothing to stop me”. So even with pointing the finger at Joe her secret is safe.
Tommy is stuck as well. He may or may not have taken part in the rape but he took part in the disposal. So once again he can’t tell the truth without implicating himself. He would have to explain why he either raped a child or did nothing to stop that rape. This explains their silence all this time.
Lindsey remained silent only suspecting Tommy’s involvement but not wanting to ruin their lives if he truly was not involved.
Chelsea and Timmy were not involved. That explains Chelseas diarrhea of the mouth in spewing info about the rest of the family.
It appears Ron has always suspected Joe but for the life of me I don’t know why he never went after him. I honestly don’t believe Ron is as tough has he proclaims….unless he’s beating up on women…then he’s real tough.
I believe Haleigh’s fate was worse than any of us imagined. Even with my suspicions the reality of her last moments on earth chill me and grieve me beyond words. These monsters need to pay. My heart aches for our angel and my blood boils over ALL the adults in Haleigh’s life that failed her. Her parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, neighbors, you name it. This gorgeous child COULD have been saved if just ONE of these people had stepped up and protected her.
I apologize for the long post and the lack of my normal humor but at the moment I can find nothing humorous as my heart is breaking. God’s Speed to LE in pulling this case together and providing the justice Haleigh deserves. God rest your little soul angel. You’ve touched all of us deeply and we will not rest until you can do likewise. The truth will be told, you will receive justice and Heaven is a better place with you in. I look forward to seeing you one day and giving you a hug that will last an eternity. RIP angel.
Maybe both families are bucking for $200,000 for some “pictures” like the Ants. What good does it do to repeat stories told by liars anyway? I still wouldn’t exclude Misty’s “stories” as being fabricated to get some kind of discount on her jail sentence. When we see some actual evidence I will feel more confident.
The van was at the Croslin house where Joe was — and it had been moved. If both Tommy and Joe were there why would they need to ‘prop’ the door open?
One person would have to prop it open — or if all three were involved why ‘prop’ the door to ‘stage it’ – for what reason? Just sayin
Shockwave said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 8:36 am My daughters had bibs that said, “Daddy’s little girl”. I don’t think it’s creepy.
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The creepy part is what Ron said,
“Listen, Jr’s gonna be with me till the day I die, even if he’s gotta go with me like that…He’s gonna be with me till the day I die.
Ron: Just like Haleigh ’s Daddy’s little girl.
Then points to a tattoo which say’s “daddy’s little girl”
JB
Then why didn’t Jr. say he heard his sister screaming? All he said was he saw a man in black. I noticed Mrs. Hollars is a lot like MC. Who knows if she’s telling the truth either.
there is one truth in this story..
misty woke up and haleigh was gone..
all the rest are unsubstantiated allegations, cya accusations, and baldfaced lies from folks who weren’t there.
If misty has said anything different its because of the Abu Ghraib like pressure (torture) she has been subjected too.
LE bungled this case from day one and they are back at square one!
the slackjawed buffoons!
pezzu said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 8:55 am KAREN said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 am
That they would not in 14 months even cast a tiny glimmer of suspicsion at him? That Tommy or Misty would never in 14 months mention that maybe RC was involved? Instead they implicate each other (in Tommy’s case, implicate himself) and cousin Joe, but NOT RC? It makes no sense.
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I wouldn’t be so quick to say Tommy implicated himself? Gramma said Tommy told her Joe did it and 15 minutes later Misty called her and told her Joe did it and about the boat dock. Tommy’s atty said he did not confess and only told Gramma to call family members.
Perhaps LE went to Tommy AFTER gramma tipped them off *as to what Misty said* or they heard the phone conversation and Tommy took them to show them were he and Joe fished — where all the alligators were. There is nothing pointing to Tommy — *yet*
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Tommy placed himself at the home that night when he was busted the time before this on drugs. HE implicated himself, he placed himself there, that night.
OJ, are you the mystery man that writes Misty letters in jail and sends her money for honey buns?
Did anyone pick up AS saying that after Gma Hollers called her that she and TN went down to that area and searched the woods all afternoon but did not find anything? It is in the transcripts from last nights show on NG. I went to read it to make sure that is what I heard. Question is did they go down there before LE blocked off that site to search? AS did not mention LE being there at the time they were. Is this where LE is asking residents in that area about a 1990s chevy gray van being in that area recently?HMMMMM
AS also states that after she brought the laundry over they put shirts on the children. These kids were out on the porch eating in 50 degree weather with no shirts!! That is what was said by AS.
As far as the rape scenario that Gma Holler described last night she said Misty told her this. Holler did not say this came from the jail house call. I am thinking Misty has been telling Gma Holler stories of that night before now and she is telling everything Misty or other family members like Lisa Croslin may have told her. The only thing she says that came from the jail was that Joe killed Haleigh and Misty told her about T and J tying up haleigh with the yellow rope and tying it to a cinder block and putting the child in the river.
Holler called out Chelsea on being the one who told her to tell LE the specific location to search. Chelsea said she did not give a specific location. Just search 309. I believe Gma Hollers on that. I do not believe the rape story.
These tapes of Rons make me feel really sick. Tim Miller has never said what he believes in Rons participation. He wanted to protect Misty. He took Ron very serious.
The brick was placed against the door to stage the abduction. Or, it being Tommy’s MO was done to break into the house to steal the gun. Misty wakes up (Jr is still asleep) and tries to help them find the gun but it is gone. Joe becomes enraged after Ron humiliated him over the other gun. He comes in and takes Haleigh to the living room. Haleigh begins to scream…this wakes Jr…..Misty goes to the living room but is threatened by Joe….she returns to the bedroom and hides with Jr. Joe has now covered Haleigh’s mouth (perhaps with a pillow) to muffle her cries…..perhaps Jr. has heard and seen the couch bounce before during Ron and Misty’s boink fests so he recognizes the sound…but doesn’t know to be afraid of that sound now. Haleigh is suffocated or strangled during the rape. Joe has threatened Tommy as well and perhaps he waits outside. Joe carries Haleigh’s lifeless body out of the house into the van wrapped in the blanket. He grabs cinderblocks from the yard and tosses them into the van. Joe (or Joe and Tommy) drive to the dumpsite and dispose of Haleigh.
They all remain quiet due to their part in Haleigh’s death.
In response to Karen Said:
I receive my information from the PCSD web site and from numerous web sites of national news agencies showing all the big fat lies that Ron and Misty have told since that poor little girl disappeared in the middle of the night from her bed. Too many discrepancies in their stories. Check it out for yourself.
This is a Blog and I am expressing my opinion by what I consider to be evidence that is interpreted by me as factual and true.
It is my opinion as is my right as is your opinion is your right.
Had HaLeigh been in the custody of her mother, Crystal, where she should have been, we wouldn’t be talking about this. Had Ron not been so vindictive and abusive, those children would have been with their mother. Ron sees his children as property. Listen to his own words. He is a very misguided individual. No moral character at all. Thank you God that Jr is with Crystal now and always will be.
looking for Justice said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 am Did anyone pick up AS saying that after Gma Hollers called her that she and TN went down to that area and searched the woods all afternoon but did not find anything? It is in the transcripts from last nights show on NG. I went to read it to make sure that is what I heard. Question is did they go down there before LE blocked off that site to search? AS did not mention LE being there at the time they were. Is this where LE is asking residents in that area about a 1990s chevy gray van being in that area recently?HMMMMM
AS also states that after she brought the laundry over they put shirts on the children. These kids were out on the porch eating in 50 degree weather with no shirts!! That is what was said by AS.
As far as the rape scenario that Gma Holler described last night she said Misty told her this. Holler did not say this came from the jail house call. I am thinking Misty has been telling Gma Holler stories of that night before now and she is telling everything Misty or other family members like Lisa Croslin may have told her. The only thing she says that came from the jail was that Joe killed Haleigh and Misty told her about T and J tying up haleigh with the yellow rope and tying it to a cinder block and putting the child in the river.
Holler called out Chelsea on being the one who told her to tell LE the specific location to search. Chelsea said she did not give a specific location. Just search 309. I believe Gma Hollers on that. I do not believe the rape story.
These tapes of Rons make me feel really sick. Tim Miller has never said what he believes in Rons participation. He wanted to protect Misty. He took Ron very serious.
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GGM Sykes did NOT say they did not have shirts on, you, like Flora Hollars, are embellishing the story! She said Misty put their shirts on, which could and prob. does, mean nightshirts. To get ready for bed. And they wonder how all these rumors get started. Geezus.
Who cares if AS and TN searched the woods? Their grandbaby is missing, if that hadn’t gone down there, y’all would be saying it was because they killed Haliegh and already knew she wasn’t there.
stillucy said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 am In response to Karen Said:
I receive my information from the PCSD web site and from numerous web sites of national news agencies showing all the big fat lies that Ron and Misty have told since that poor little girl disappeared in the middle of the night from her bed. Too many discrepancies in their stories. Check it out for yourself.
This is a Blog and I am expressing my opinion by what I consider to be evidence that is interpreted by me as factual and true.
It is my opinion as is my right as is your opinion is your right.
Had HaLeigh been in the custody of her mother, Crystal, where she should have been, we wouldn’t be talking about this. Had Ron not been so vindictive and abusive, those children would have been with their mother. Ron sees his children as property. Listen to his own words. He is a very misguided individual. No moral character at all. Thank you God that Jr is with Crystal now and always will be.
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No, there is NO WHERE on the PCSO website that says one thing about RC lying. Post the link. POst the link the the national news agencies that show RC lying about something. Hell, just post one.
And those babies would have been with CS if she was a Mother instead of a drug addict. RC got custody and kept custody, so obviously SHE had some severe problems that she couldn’t get custody. The TRUTH is she didn’t want custody.
Karen go read the transcripts. I did . and AS said they put shirts on the kids after she bought the laundry.
If gHoller told her that she called the LE and reported this tip why would they go down and search all afternoon without checking with LE? I am not saying they are involved, but it makes you wonder why!
Karen — Tommy said he went to the home and Misty was not there — is that what you mean by ‘implicating himself’? Didn’t someone come forward and swear Misty was with them from 7-9 on that night? Didn’t LE at least imply they didn’t believe Misty was home? And when pressed Tommy later admits she wasn’t home?
So GmaSykes *implicated herself* as it seems she says she was there at 7:30 — so she was the last one to see Haleigh by that timeline?
Karen,
Hypothetically speaking,
“If” Ron were involved somehow and was guilty it is possible that Misty is covering for him by telling her family members that whatever had happened to Haleigh had happened because of her (Misty).
I could not see Misty’s family members covering for anything that Ron may have done. Not even kind of. I can easily see them covering if they believed that whatever had happened to Haleigh was due to an accident that Misty was involved in and responsible for.
This case is nothing like Charles Manson’s but the females involved in the murders that were aapparently orchestrated by Charles Manson were followers who would and did apparently anything for that freak. I’m not saying that Ron orchestrated anything per say, however, it is possible that Misty’s mental/emotional attachment to Ron could cause her to maintain covering for Ron and lying about it if that were the case. It is not impossible is what I am trying to say.
There too it is also possible that each and every one of these people are responsible in some fashion.
Here is another theory one not mentioned thus far that I am aware of.
What if since Misty did not want to babysit the kids and since TN did not want to watch them what if Ron agreed to allow someone else to babysit and that Misty had then called up Chelsea and Timmy and asked them to watch Haleigh and possibly even Jr. Possible that Timmy were driving the van while under the influence of his medications? What if the scratches in the van were caused by impaired judgement, possibly that he was driving at a high rate of speed and crashed into bushes/brush up the side of the road? Possibly Haleigh bumped her head or a door flew open and Haleigh was ejected out of the van?
There could very well be some level of responsibility on all of their hands.
Karen…I watched the show AND read the transcripts….it says she brought the laundry, the kids were on the porch with Misty eating supper, Misty helped carry laundry in, they put SHIRTS ON THE KIDS then they went back to eating their supper and she left. IT DOES SAY THAT! Not sure why they’d be eating outside in 50 degree temps anyway….especially WITHOUT shirts which is what this comment indicates
I buy the couch bouncing story to a point…. …but the people causing the couch to bounce were misty and someone who wasn’t RC…. maybe she/ they were all high and were all getting it on..sick i know…Ron called home what 90 times??? he knew people were there and she was probably banging someone in the house, just couldn’t get off work fast enough to catch her… she had just returned from 3 day sex/drug binge with someone who wasn’t Ron….I think Jr. heard the couch bouncing so did Haleigh…..i also think Haleigh woke up, wandered out and saw who and what was going on and that it wasn’t her daddy….misty panicked …freaked out from being high/drunk and killed her… then called Tommy and Joe….Joe saw what happened and took off..maybe he helped get rid of the body, maybe not, who knows. Misty and Tommy tied her up to the “bricker blocks” (my wife’s new favorite words) and they threw the little girl in the river… just my feelings..
THANK YOU! JB. I could not believe it when I heard it last night! I had to read the transcripts to make sure what I had heard. I about fell off my rocking chair!!!!
MG was about to level sexual abuse allegation (allegedly).
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Who is MG? seriously, I don’t remember.
Another thing, where is the proof that Joe is a pedophile? So far only Ron is the one that has a history of having sex with underage girls. He was having sex with Misty who was only 10 yrs older than Haleigh IMO. In those videos with Ron and Misty sitting in the chairs outside for interviews, Misty looks like she’s only twelve years old and tiny.
I thought that the statements that Jr allegedly stated about the “Man in Black” and “the couch bouncing” were discounted as something he might have overheard. Crystal and Marie put no stock in these statements and I read this on Ocala where they have a timeline of events. Why, time and again, are these statements stated as FACT when Crystal & Marie both believe Jr might have overheard it from somewhere else?
So, why haven’t they given Joe a lie detector test yet? What’s the hold up?
JB what did you make of the statement that Chelsea said what if there were loose pills laying around and Halieh OD? You hear AS say ” no” and Chelsea continues and says She knew for a fact there was!!!
JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 9:48 am Karen…I watched the show AND read the transcripts….it says she brought the laundry, the kids were on the porch with Misty eating supper, Misty helped carry laundry in, they put SHIRTS ON THE KIDS then they went back to eating their supper and she left. IT DOES SAY THAT! Not sure why they’d be eating outside in 50 degree temps anyway….especially WITHOUT shirts which is what this comment indicates
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Um, yeah, I watched it live last night and read the transcript this morning. She did not say they did not have shirts on. She said Misty put on their shirts on, she did not say they did not have shirts on. Nightshirts, ever heard of ’em? My daughter wears one to bed every night.
looking for Justice said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 am JB what did you make of the statement that Chelsea said what if there were loose pills laying around and Halieh OD? You hear AS say ” no” and Chelsea continues and says She knew for a fact there was!!!
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Yeah, so if that’s true why did she let her kids go over there?
Pill heads do not just leave their drugs laying around the house for them to get lost or stolen. Even Tommy had his bagged up when he was popped the last time at the bus stop.
robin, the other item about the “a man in black took my sissy,” is that he actually said, “a WOMAN took my sissy.”
WthACherryonTop, The police, or anyone else, cannot require anyone to take a poly/LDT. It is considered a violation of 5th amendment rights.
WthACherryonTop said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 9:54 am So, why haven’t they given Joe a lie detector test yet? What’s the hold up?
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Joe was given a LDT early on in the case. We were led to believe he passed. That’s why PCSO said they were not pursuing him in the investigation.
Kate said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 9:59 am robin, the other item about the “a man in black took my sissy,” is that he actually said, “a WOMAN took my sissy.”
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Do you have a link to this? I have been following for 14 months and I have never heard this version of what Jr. said.
Maybe they changed shirts and that’s why the pink shirt was found days later in the dirty clothes basket …. the shirt that Misty thought Haleigh was wearing.
They’re all nuts and Ron is the one that likes young girls so far.
Karen, it is implied they did not have shirts on because they got back in their chairs and finished eating dinner. Plus if you really think about it GSykes should have been able to tell LE what shirt Haleigh had on when she left that house if it was her night shirt that she was going to go to bed in. There would be no problem with what she was wearing the night she disappeared.JMO
question said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 am Maybe they changed shirts and that’s why the pink shirt was found days later in the dirty clothes basket …. the shirt that Misty thought Haleigh was wearing.
They’re all nuts and Ron is the one that likes young girls so far.
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You say girlS, who are all these girlS? Besides Misty there has been no one else “young”.
Robin…no one is stating the couch or man in black as fact. We’re taking all the pieces we’ve heard and trying to come up with a theory that fits. We get very few facts as obviously LE is letting very little info out….so all we have to base our theories on is what we hear….which in the case of this bunch, changes daily. No one stated “IT IS A FACT THE COUCH WAS BOUNCING”….I believe I stated it would fit with the things we’ve heard and a theory starts making sense, once again based on the things we’ve heard through the grapevine.
Karen I guess you need to call up Chelsea and ask her why she allowed her children there at that home if that were to be the case. She is the one who said it!
looking for Justice said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 am Karen, it is implied they did not have shirts on because they got back in their chairs and finished eating dinner. Plus if you really think about it GSykes should have been able to tell LE what shirt Haleigh had on when she left that house if it was her night shirt that she was going to go to bed in. There would be no problem with what she was wearing the night she disappeared.JMO
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Implied is the KEY word there. That is what you interpreted it to mean, when actually it means nothing of the sort. And maybe she did tell them what she wearing when she saw her last. Who said she didn’t? What if Haleigh wanted to wear something different to bed and changed the shirt herself? What if she spilled Kool Aid on the shirt and it was changed?
The bottom line is, all she said was Misty put on their shirts. Period. She di not say they didn’t have shirts on. And furthermore who cares?! It has nothing to do w/ what happened to Haleigh, I don’t think anyone took her because they wanted her Hannah Montana shirt. It’s a moot point.
N/G is reporting that Misty failed another poly.
looking for Justice said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 am Karen I guess you need to call up Chelsea and ask her why she allowed her children there at that home if that were to be the case. She is the one who said it!
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ummm, it is a rhetorical question. It doesn’t really require an answer.
Karen…I have never heard that Joe took a LDT. Can you please direct me to that info online? Funny his atty isn’t stating “Look, he took a LDT on _____ and passed”.
And as far as Ron and “girls”….Amber, Crystal, Misty….and these are just the ones we know of….I’m sure these aren’t the only girls he’s been with.
WOW Kate I hadn’t heard that before! I wonder if there were desriptions given of the woman that Jr believes he saw if that were the case?
What did the woman look like or was she wearing something that he could remember.
Was Haleigh awake or sleeping when she was taken etc…
I know that little baby might be repeating something he heard or maybe he even saw it in a dream but there was a little boy once who told people his Mommy was in the rug and he was right.
Another thing is if Jr. is recalling the bouncing couch sounds and seeing a woman taking Haleigh then couldn’t he also possibly recall where Misty was then also?
My Children always come looking for either me (usually me) or my Husband, always if they hear a noise or think there is a monster in their closet.
(I’m sure someone will pick this one apart but um, I eat monsters, they taste like cookies.)
Karen, Yes It does sound that way to me. AS said she always does the kids laundry. That Monday morning per Ron had to go to GGSykes home for a clean shirtbecause Haleigh spilt something on her shirt and they got up late and Haleigh was tardy to school that day. Misty says Haleigh wanted a different outfit at GGsykes house is why they went to GGsykes although they woke up late. I thought perhaps GGSykes had not done the childrens laundry yet so perhaps they had no clean clothes there at the mobile home until GSykes washed them and brought them back.
You say girlS, who are all these girlS? Besides Misty there has been no one else “young”.
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R U serious? You know who they are.
Karen…you best stop being nasty because I’m loaded for bear this morning, angry, frustrated, irritated and bewildered by this case and just LOOKING for someone to push the wrong button. ARE YOU THAT PERSON BECAUSE IF YOU ARE, BRING IT ON SISTER! I get sick of you sniping at everyone and I’m convinced that is the ONLY reason you post here. It isn’t out of love of Haleigh…it is because you are a NASTY, ANGRY individual and you just like to poke and jab and irritate the people who DO TRULY care about Haleigh. So either STOP with the constant nastiness or prepare for battle. I’M READY!
I wonder if Timmy has taken a LDT yet?
Ky Mom I saw that on NG show page. I thought OH MY LORD!!
Werter is suppose to be on JVM tonight. I thought he was not going to rep Tommy regarding Haleigh Cummings.
JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 am
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Thank you JB!!!!!!!
You GO JB!!!!
Does anyone recall if Chelsea and Timmy have taken LDT’s yet?
tia
Joe Overstreet’s attorney has advised him not to take submit to a polygraph and has stated that his client has not been asked to submit to a polygraph by law enforcement officials as of yet.
Since it sounds like most of you are tuning into HLN, did anyone catch Grandma Hollars comment on Misty sending letters to family members for them to mail to
Ron for her? I would love to know what the content of those are and it seems like Misty has been sending out allot of mail to family with messages about this case. I wonder why the Jail isn’t paying closer attention to her outgoing mail?
I think law enforcement is using the Croslin bunch against Cummings.
Why would the Grandma Sykes and Teresa Neves go to the river bank without notifying the cops? I thought T Neves works for the Sheriff’s Dept? Stupid move on her part. Interferring in an active investigation. I don’t care whose Grandmother she is. What were they looking for?
My opinion only. Not trying to incite a verbal war.
Ronald said on NG in the very beginning that he does date young girls. He likes young girls.
JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 am Karen…you best stop being nasty because I’m loaded for bear this morning, angry, frustrated, irritated and bewildered by this case and just LOOKING for someone to push the wrong button. ARE YOU THAT PERSON BECAUSE IF YOU ARE, BRING IT ON SISTER! I get sick of you sniping at everyone and I’m convinced that is the ONLY reason you post here. It isn’t out of love of Haleigh…it is because you are a NASTY, ANGRY individual and you just like to poke and jab and irritate the people who DO TRULY care about Haleigh. So either STOP with the constant nastiness or prepare for battle. I’M READY
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she wants her questions answered and then says others are rhetorical. LOL
looking for Justice said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:25 am Ronald said on NG in the very beginning that he does date young girls. He likes young girls.
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Yep, he did. Young girls are easier to control. Women his own age wouldn’t allow themselves to be used and controlled. Another manipulator.
Tuff
Remember Tommy telling Hank Sr. that Timmy failed a LD test.
stillucy that seems pretty indicative that LE did not ask Joe to take a ldt.
All by itself it speaks volumes to me.
Stillucy, yes I saw that on JVM. I need to back and read her transcripts from last night. When she was talking about Werter and he was going to be on tonight, I thought she said Tommy passed his LDT. I have to check on that because I could have heard it wrong.
Looking 4 Justice,
Even the Attorney’s are lying in this case.lol
JB
You are Madder than a bobcat caught in a piss fire. lol
Oh that’s right ky mom. Thanks for the refresher on that!
SO maybe that is why he is not being so supportive of his Baby Sister afterall?
He had also failed a LDT.
hmmm
ky mom so are you saying that Joe was asked to take a ldt and that his atty is possibly lying about that?
Question…yes, Karen is always very verbally abusive and talks in circles and gets hateful with everyone. It would appear only her opinion is valid and all others are “unlogical” (to quote her) and that we have “mental illnesses” (to quote her) for not believing what she says. It gets tiresome. This case is about to give me a freakin’ stroke. Everyone comes here to discuss their theories, share information and bolster each other’s morale and then she shows up and starts tearing into everyone, talking down to us, acting like she’s better than everyone else and I’m NOT in the mood for it today. EVERYONE (including Karen) is entitled to their opinion but when they get snippy and abusive to other bloggers, it is ANNOYING and today I’m not in the mood to put up with it. She makes statements as fact with no supporting back-up…and then ignores you when you ask for back-up. Time to put-up or SHUT-UP. I vote for the latter.
KYMOM – LOL…well, DANG! Enough already. Give it a rest. We’re just trying to discuss the case, share info, and shouldn’t have to defend our very right to breath when Karen shows up. Sheesh!
Still awaiting her response…and I’m READY for it. The gloves are off and no holds are barred. I think I just found my outlet for all the anger and frustration I have about this case. Round 1…DING….bring it on! 😀
I went back to check JVM transcripts and could not find the part I thought I heard, but it wasright before a commercial break I will have to tune into tonight to see exactly what was stated.
The last I heard and of course none of this is gospel as we aren’t privy to the facts, but…
Ron took LDT…passed
Timmy took LDT…failed
Tommy took LDT…failed
Misty took LDTS….failed
Joe has not taken one
If anyone has other info contrary to this, please advise.
It could be possible that Timmy and even Tommy failed tests because they KNEW what happened…not necessarily that they were there or involved….But I’m still thinking Tommy was involved….that could change…it has many times.
Looking for Justice
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947
She has all the nancy grace video’s with commercials cut out…
Tuff
No I was referring to L4J saying that Tommy attorney said he passed a LD test. Because it had been reported that Tommy failed his LD test. So someone is lying..
JB, did anyone other than Ron say he passed his LDT? I know I have heard him on videos say he passed, but did LE confirm? Can’t remember
Law Enforcement Officials have never confirmed the outcome of any of the polygraph tests. Ron and Misty have both responded that they “passed”. That is not a legitimate statement. You either show deception or no deception. It’s not a pass/fail test.
Tim Miller released the outcome of the tests that Misty took with his investigators and they were all verified as showing deception.
Technically, Ron has never been excluded as an interested party as have none of the Croslin bunch.
I look at things from a more technical view.
I think a tougher look or presence would’ve have been made toward Joe Overstreet by now if warranted.
There is allot of info that PCSD is keeping close because of all the parties and rumors involved.
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No more treats for JB for a while LOL!
Sheesh! She apparently chewed up the couch, the hammock and my socks!
That’s ok JB, according to OJ I need to grow a brain. LMAO!
Arguments are not fights imo. Arguments are debates and when people start throwing insults at you it only goes to show you that you have already won.
A strong debate requires no emotions really.
I’ve never seen a debate won by use of emotional rants and I never will.
JB you did not throw the first insults but you are now responding to them.
Your own reactions are based upon your decisions on how you are going to respond.
And…It’s ok to be right sometimes.
…Just saying and all jmo.
KIR…I’ve never heard anyone other than Ron confirmed he passed BUT I do believe LE has stated that Ron and Crystal have been cleared….Of course at one point Ron said Misty passed hers and he didn’t know anything about her failing (made that statement on NG) even after the rest of the world knew she failed.
Can anyone tell me about the silver vehicle mentioned in the presser during the river search? Do any of the players in this case have a silver vehicle? TIA
Makes perfect sense stillucy. Thanks for your input.
JB and atfer that LE stated clearly that they do not release the info regarding wether someone passed or failed anyway.
LE confirmed that no such information was given to either of them to know if they had passed or failed either way.
JB said,
in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:43 am
It could be possible that Timmy and even Tommy failed tests because they KNEW what happened…not necessarily that they were there or involved….But I’m still thinking Tommy was involved….that could change…it has many times.
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That’s what I’ve been thinking is that the Croslins all know what happened but some of them didn’t take part in doing whatever to Haleigh they just know what happened . Timmy is closer to Misty than Tommy is………..
I hope the story about her jr. putting their heads under the cover is not true. If it is she is one sick —–!!!!!
Tuff Stuff…difficult to not be emotional after listening to Ron’s tapes then watching NG and hearing about the possible rape of Haleigh. My blood is boiling and when someone comes on here and picks apart EVERY post that is made, snipes at people and belittles them, you can bet your sweet bippy I’m going to stand my ground and speak my mind. I spent too much time sniveling and running to the dog house with my tail tucked between my legs. I’m not doing it anymore. Sorry if my posts upset or bothered you. Truly not my intention but sometimes the only way to fight fire IS with fire. When logical responses to hateful posts are only met with more hateful posts perhaps it is time to nip it in the bud and put a stop to it. Can’t do that with diplomacy with some people. You have to treat them like they are treating others and then maybe, JUST maybe, it will stop.
My apologies to anyone I upset with my rant….Now, back to the case.
Apparently there was possibly another ldt given to Misty recently and that she failed that one too?
Misty needs to quit lying and come clean once and for all. LE has no intentions on letting this case just go away.
Tuff…saw that on NG too…not sure where you saw it…but it does seem to indicate yet another LDT was given to Misty and she failed. I think she has set a record for the most failed LDT’s! LOL Not sure why LE even bothers anymore…but if someday she comes clean with the truth and actually passes a test, it will truly be a HALLELUJAH moment! LOL
I completely understand JB. Yesterday I was so tore up I had to back off and try to erase what I heard in those tapes from my day.
((((((( HUGS ))))))).
Tuff – Hugs right back at cha’. 😀
KIR – I don’t know anything about this silver vehicle. I don’t know what they are looking for or why. Wish I did.
Still blows me away that GGMa Sykes didn’t notice that Misty was high when she allegedly dropped off the clothes that night.
I still question whether Annette Sykes had actually come over that night at all.
I read an article way back that had the date she had gone to drop off the clothes listed days before Haleigh disappeared.
I emailed the person who wrote the article to ask if it were a typo but got no response.
I’ll have to go hunt that article again.
All of the interviews from the very beginning are on youtube. Greta from Fox is great. They pause to show where the discrepancies are. It will refresh memories. Ron was the director and Misty was scared and appears to be stoned out of her mind.
I have never understood the love relationship that Nancy Grace has for Ron and the total disrespect that she shows for Crystal. I thought that Nancy was for the victim, HaLeigh. I see Crystal as a victim here too. As I have researched the custody situation and court hearings, Ron and his attorney manipulated the whole thing. Was Crystal totally innocent, no. But, neither was Ron. The kids should have been with their mother and been supervised by DCF. HaLeigh would still be here today. That situation down there was a time bomb.
What was the purpose of Ron placing the dead decapitated rat in Tommy’s mail box? That was witnessed by neighbors. Did anyone ever hear about the reasoning behind that?
I think they may be giving MC more LDT’s covering certain topics. Every time she tells them a new story, they give her a new test to see if she is being truthful about the new story.
For some reason (instinct only – not fact based), I have never believed GGma Sykes saw Haliegh that night or the AC guy.
This has gotten so emotional for everyone – I feel bad for Karen. She really feels strongly that Ron is innocent. I wonder if she realizes her comments are offensive. I am glad JB expressed her feelings – Karen needed to understand that people can only take so much.
Thanks to HollyGmom for transcribing again! I am glad I missed the NG show.
Exactly my thoughts also Karon.
Unfortunately she keeps trying to tell new lies apparently and completely further hinders the investigation.
Please note, this is not the Karen that is being hateful and snippy.
Have any of you read the Pat Brown articles about RC and his attorney on The Daily Profiler? If you haven’t, the articles are really good. She talks about how RC’s attorney and his mother is spinning all these things RC has done to make him look like he was doing all of it to try to find Haleigh.
Regarding the Nancy Grace show last night,
Did anyone else notice the extraneous information Annette Sykes gave when answering the question about whether she had dropped off clothes at the mh that night?
It was a bit over the top.
I do read Pat Brown. I enjoy her expertise. Nancy Grace treats her bad too. That’s why I visit her blog. It’s interesting.
Ron told Tim Miller per Tim miller that he put the rat in Tommys mailbox. Misty lied for Ron giving him an alibi. Per Ron Misty said they were at a party. Ron said to TM per TM that he wanted to see what Misty looked like when she was lying so he would know when she was lying to him.
I have never believed Ggma Sykes’ story, either. It was cold that night and the children wouldn’t have been sitting outside after dark, eating in the cold. I think she came by earlier in the afternoon. From what Misty said, she cooked for the kids and fed them earlier than 7:00p.m. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
Tuff Stuff said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 11:37 am
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Yes, Tuff, I noticed that too. Some of this reminds me of the Caylee A. case. I also remember what TJ said right before he stopped covering this story about his sources telling him awhile back that this case and the Caylee case had a lot of similarities.
Maybe the family covering up for family members like Caylee’s grandparents?
KarOn..LOL…believe me…we can SO tell the diff between you and KarEn! LOL
Okay, you guys have peaked my curiosity…so why would Gmom S lie about being there and taking the clothes? If she was there when she said then Tommy would have just left shortly before she got there. He said he smoked a joint with Misty between 6 and 7. I wonder if LE found the stacks of clothes she brought over. Not sure Misty would bother to put them up….but I’m surprised Gmom S didn’t notice Misty was high when she was there….that or she didn’t really care….not like she hadn’t seen someone high before…they’re ALL high on something.
I also wonder why AS and TN would go down to the river after Gma Flo called AS. Why wouldn’t they just wait and call LE instead of going down to that area? What were they gonna do if they actually had found something down there? Hmmmm
IIRC prior to giving that statement BOTH Misty and RON were trying to give an alibi that kept them both away from the area at the time the (gag) headless rat was placed in the mailbox so how was that supposed to work out exactly?
I don’t buy it. It leads to the possibility again that Misty would simply lie for Ron.
Misty had to have seen the NG show where Ron and Teresa Neves clearly states to NG that they believe that Misty knows more but yet there was no problem with the two of them hooking back up all secretively.
Ron also alerted Misty about Donna Brock too.
I thought he wanted his Daughter found yet he is willing to sabotage any chances of that happening? Refused to take LP up on the $$$ offer. That money could have gone towards the reward money if nothing else but Ron told him no thanks?
No thanks?????????
And the rat in the mailbox….seems like a bizarre way to “test Misty”. I’m sure he could think of a different way to watch Misty when she lied. Apparantly she did it often.
Maybe I’ve read too many whodunits – watched too much Law and Order and Forensic Files – but it seems there are so many people not being truthful.
*What if* Ron smacked her around before he went to work, maybe put a big goose egg on her or something. Maybe that is why Misty was begging TN to come get them cause she didn’t want to be there with her by herself, could be why she thought Haleigh was still wearing the pink shirt — cause AS had changed it…
Maybe TN sent gmaSykes over there to pick them up and Misty split.
They figure Haliegh is going to be ok — but she wasn’t — so now they are all protecting Ron — and just maybe she is buried somewhere else and the entire River scene is nothing more that a red herring to throw LE off — maybe that is why it was so easy for Ron to suggest his little baby was thrown to the alligators? Just thinkin
Tuff Stuff:
Ggma Sykes was laying it on thick. Wasn’t she? She didn’t want herself and TN to look bad for leaving those kids on a doped up teenager. So MC was in fine shape, cooking for RC’s kids and helping her carry the clothes in from the car, and she seemed fine, not doped up. She looked doped up for a couple of weeks after that to me.
When RC went to jail she made those comments about RC and MC. She said she was mad at MC that night for going off and leaving the kids without a babysitter for 3 days.
Dang, the more we talk about this the more confused I get. Does ANYONE in this bunch tell the truth? I mean, some of the simplist facts such as who picked Haleigh up are a twisted me of he said she said. People lying about stupid crap that makes it next to impossible for LE to piece this all together.
You know, if Misty and Tommy were wanting to set Joe up…they could have thrown the cinder blocks and rope in the river at any time during the last 14 months. We need Sherlock Holmes dagnabit!
Yup keepitreal I agree. Plus weren’t they afraid of snakes and them pesky alligators too?
I’m sure ol’ Teresa Neves would have been after that last incident where she left Cobra all quick like.
Especially with the stories going around about that area seeming to be like the movie “Lake Placid”.
Something weird about AS and TN going out to that area for sure. I agree.
That is such a bunch of crap. Ron weaves more of a tale than the Croslin’s all put together. I find it so hard to believe that Ron actually thinks he is that smart. Why did Tim Miller leave? What was Tim’s public statement as to why they pulled out? Just curious.
I still believe that the PCSD know more details about who, what, when, and where, and are letting all the players point their fingers and hang themselves. And in the end Ron will be sitting at the defense table too.
Ron’s charges and bail on these last drug offenses are out there. He was never involved in sting. No way.
Justice will come for little HaLeigh.
Karon she also said here recently enough that she was angry when she went to the mh that night.
So now are we to believe that when she got there that everything was all fluffy and warm towards Misty?
I ain’t buying it.
pezzu – we’re on the same track. They could have thrown the stuff in the river to frame Joe. The little comments about the rope missing from the van, Misty pointing at Joe off and on over the last 14 months. She sometimes pointed to others (like Crystal and clan) but always came back to Joe. Haleigh COULD be somewhere else and the “cinder brickels” or “brickel blocks” lol…were placed in the river….to stage a cover-up…and to frame Joe. Maybe that is why Ron kept trying to get Cobra to go there, making comments about Joe…they were trying to set him up…but no one took the bait. This is so twisted!
The more we hear, the more we see, the more it seems even Rs family was covering for him all along.
I believe what Misty said in her voice analysis. “Someone puts a gun in your mouth, huh uh, I’m not talking”. We all know who is famous for putting guns in peoples mouths, including his own.
I honestly don’t think anyone meant to kill haleigh. I think it was an “accident” and major coverup to protect R.
JMO
Tuff Stuff:
RC ran off the Anthony’s and LP. I think he trusted Cobra and TM for awhile but that backfired on him. RC wants people around him that he can intimidate and keep quiet.
On Jane V. Mitchell transcripts dated March 10th, 2009. It is stated that GGSykes went to the mh at 7pm. Last night on NG AS said she went to the mh at 7:30pm. I thought I remembered AS saying in her original statement that she was there at 7pm. I had to go find it myself to make sure alheizmers( spelling) had not set in.
lfj I cannot find the article that was from a news source out of Florida but it clearly gave another date as to when Annettes Sykes had dropped off the clothes. I had emailed the author af that article to find out if there were some mistake on the day that it had listed but I got no response and the article did not change after that either.
I’m not sure what I did to the link I had for that article. I might have accidently erased it but I am not sure because I am also using a different computer since then as I was having issues with the other one.
JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 12:03 pm pezzu – we’re on the same track. They could have thrown the stuff in the river to frame Joe. The little comments about the rope missing from the van, Misty pointing at Joe off and on over the last 14 months. She sometimes pointed to others (like Crystal and clan) but always came back to Joe. Haleigh COULD be somewhere else and the “cinder brickels” or “brickel blocks” lol…were placed in the river….to stage a cover-up…and to frame Joe. Maybe that is why Ron kept trying to get Cobra to go there, making comments about Joe…they were trying to set him up…but no one took the bait. This is so twisted!
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I agree! There are too many *untruths* — and it seems the only explanation for Ron’s actions at the dock — was he knew she wasn’t there.
I tried to make a list of ‘what we know for sure’ and couldn’t get past (1)Haleigh is missing and (2)Ron and Misty made the call at 3:27. Seems like everything else is in dispute.
Everybody was so out of control around Haleigh, and there is no telling what happened. She may have stepped in the way of a violent fight and got hurt. She may have gotten some drugs and died. MC was exausted and Haleigh was well known to be a problem at bedtime, and MC may have snapped. TC or JO could have taken her and killed her. They were all so strung out and out of it. The child was in the way.
One thing that really stuck with me was when MC told the uc during that drug bust that she spent her 17th birthday with Haleigh, and Haleigh had spoiled the whole night. How could you be so cold about a missing, probably, dead child? To me, that was when I really got a look at the real MC.
lfj – LOL – this case is enough to make SOMETHING set in but I’m not sure it’s alhzeimers! LMAO
SO, if Haleigh was dead before 7:00…maybe Ron was ringing Misty’s phone off the hook to see if she had taken care of getting rid of the body. Ron was smart enough to give himself an alibi by being at work. But what was in it for Tommy or ANYONE for that matter to help her dispose of the body…especially if RON killed Haleigh. They hated Ron….why would THEY cover for him? Did Tommy hate Joe? Would he have wanted to set Joe up for this to cover for Ron?
OH, my aching head! This is too tangled for my wee brain. SO many possibilities but none of them explain all the flippin’ lies these people have told or the extent of their involvement. So many people would have to keep their mouths shut to be able to pull this off IMO. I don’t get it.
I can not come to the conclusion that all Croslins, Cummings, and Sheffields are responsible, even though some have given me pause at certain times. The SOs being cleared early on has me thinking that maybe not enough time or resources were used on these likely suspects. Someone taking one child–a beautiful girl–over another who would have been easier to handle and silence. Sounds like an SO modus of operandi to me. JMO
My thoughts on AS being there at 7:00 or 7:30 p.m. that night is why didn’t she smell the pot that TC and MC had been smoking? You know that stuff didn’t clear out of the air for a long time. AS is no fool, and this is not her first rodeo. She knew what was going on in that house, and she and TN have lied and covered for RC all the way, and they are still doing it.
pezzu….if you want to make a list, make one of all the lies and things we don’t know…now THAT would be a list! LOL
Every time I think I’ve got this mess figured out someone throws a monkey wrench into my theory. I PRAY LE is having an easier time unraveling this convoluded twisted fairy tale of half-truths, mispoken statements and full blown lies. ARRRGGGHHHH
Karon well said. I could not believe the way she spoke about Haleigh that day. How Haleigh F**ked up her 17th birthday. How cold-hearted is Misty I wonder?
JB said,
in April 23rd, 2010 at 12:20 pm
lfj – LOL – this case is enough to make SOMETHING set in but I’m not sure it’s alhzeimers! LMAO
SO, if Haleigh was dead before 7:00…maybe Ron was ringing Misty’s phone off the hook to see if she had taken care of getting rid of the body. Ron was smart enough to give himself an alibi by being at work. But what was in it for Tommy or ANYONE for that matter to help her dispose of the body…especially if RON killed Haleigh. They hated Ron….why would THEY cover for him? Did Tommy hate Joe? Would he have wanted to set Joe up for this to cover for Ron?
OH, my aching head! This is too tangled for my wee brain. SO many possibilities but none of them explain all the flippin’ lies these people have told or the extent of their involvement. So many people would have to keep their mouths shut to be able to pull this off IMO. I don’t get it.
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Tommy would cover for no one unless their last name was Croslin, so he’s covering for himself.. Haleigh was not dead before 7, LE’s time line starts after that time.
On the recordings Ron is talking about the areas where Alligators take their prey and stuff the pray into those areas. I am thinking those areas would be what? Under the sides of the edges of the riverbanks or?
I wonder what area(s) it was that AS and TN had gone there to see exactly?
Robin…SOMETHING in that house told LE this was an inside job. Heck, even Ron’s statements say he thought it was Joe. I truly don’t believe this was stranger abduction. It is STRANGE, that much is for sure…but no RSO snuck in and took Haleigh…that much I feel confident in. LE didn’t get that part wrong IMVHO. And all the lies and back-peddaling and CYA antics proves that.
I feel like shutting down, and waiting for the final word on what happened to Haleigh. I will pray for Haleigh’s murderer to be found. Love all of you for caring.
I honestly don’t know how Cobra and TJ stuck it out as long as they did. We’re all going to need medical assistance before this thing is over. DANG!
I don’t think Tommy would have gotten involved to cover for RC. He would have gotten involved to cover for MC or himself. TC is crazy about MC. You can see it by the way he looks at her. MC acts cold in her attitude to TC, but he is crazy about her. We just don’t know what MC told him.
KeepItReal said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:46 am JB, did anyone other than Ron say he passed his LDT? I know I have heard him on videos say he passed, but did LE confirm? Can’t remember
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JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 am KIR – I don’t know anything about this silver vehicle. I don’t know what they are looking for or why. Wish I did.
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KIR, Interesting piece of the investigation LE revealed to the public and exactly at the same time they where conducting the search at the end of Shell Harbor and the door to door chat with the neighbors. Funny how that seems to be ignored.
Oh well, I have taken notice of many things that are being ignored and the effects are definatly interfering with LE’s investigation.
Keeping the focus on one thing/person allows you to miss what else is going on and with everyone else.
Alot of people can see that Misty was not involved in a cover-up w/ family, because , they where the first she implicated. No OD that would need a cover-up and to implicate Joe if she threw Tommy under the bus as well. IMO
No Car and phone not used after 8:30 till min. before Ron arrived home will give anyone pause and to ask some more questions.
Have any of you googled the places of intrest(Cresent City,Green Lane,Shell Harbor and looked at the route allegedly he took) or taken notice that Joe was not a local and possible was not familiar with the area at night. I also would suggets Joe would of not made the mistake of missing that right turn on to Tyler(the only exit out) after staying with TC the week before.
IT is my opionion that nothing adds up to substantiate the current theories that involve Misty, Tommy and Joe.
IMO LE have other P’sOI in mind and the mention of people are talking and that those interviews have been over weeks indicates there is alot going on behind the sceance that we are not aware of and we do not know who all is involved in finally talking.
Karon said,
in April 23rd, 2010 at 12:24 pm
My thoughts on AS being there at 7:00 or 7:30 p.m. that night is why didn’t she smell the pot that TC and MC had been smoking? You know that stuff didn’t clear out of the air for a long time. AS is no fool, and this is not her first rodeo. She knew what was going on in that house, and she and TN have lied and covered for RC all the way, and they are still doing it.
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Oh please, if someone smokes a joint outside on the porch the smell does not linger for hours after that.
I don’t know why people have a problem with Ron was at work and had been for a few hours, LE is satisfied with that. He nor Crystal are suspects. They aren’t even looking at Ron or he would not have been brought to the family meeting last week nor would he have been brought in with Crystal to meet Merchant the other day.
Tommy killed Haleigh for whatever reason and I do believe he had been molesting her.
JB you are 100% correct!! This is one twisted case. All of them cannot keep their story straight! ( croslin and cummings)It is not just Misty!! She has the info that LE wants. She best give it up. If Misty thinks she and Ron will still be together in the future she is living in a fairy tale world.
Last night on Nancy Grace when she had the 2 Grandma Show Down, didn’t the sister-in-law of Misty from the NE that’s married to Timmy call in? Didn’t she say that it was common knowledge that there were illegal drugs laying all over the house? I thought that was her theory. She feared that HaLeigh had picked something up. Does anyone know for fact, if HaLeigh was on any medication herself?
KIR sorry I was answering your very good question and thought I cut n pasted the correct post.
Here is the correct post I ment to answer.
KeepItReal said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:48 am Can anyone tell me about the silver vehicle mentioned in the presser during the river search? Do any of the players in this case have a silver vehicle? TIA
Shockwave:
LE will solve this. Too many people with too many agendas are coming out and talking, now. The first liar doesn’t stand a chance, now. The truth will come out. The more they talk the better. They trip themselves up every time they speak. That one piece of the puzzle will come out. Having no body, LE is having to take their time to make sure they can convict whoever did this or covered it up.
I just HAD to write immediately after reading JB’s account (9:04am) about how Haleigh’s demise might have come about.
I agree with JB that Grandma Flora’s latest theory about Joe raping Haleigh, Misty running into another room and jumping under the bedcovers with Jr., REALLY struck a nerve within me. I actually gasped when Grandma said that. I agree with JB’s thoughts that Misty’s partial truthfulness and guilty feelings (not that WE’D ever know she had them)affected her LDT because she didn’t rescue Haleigh. As a survivor of family molestations (Tommy and Joe allegedly) and a brutal rape, Misty may have had another Post Traumatic Stress Disorder moment/reaction if that’s what happened. As a survivor of both myself, I think she may have even thought “At least I can save JUNIOR;” as opposed to everyone else thinking WHY DIDN’T SHE HELP HALEIGH? But remember, if Joe had a knife and Tommy was participating also, the psychological ramifications of WHAT WAS GOING ON in her surroundings could have caused her to freeze, go numb, and fall down that slippery slope of self denial big time. (Did that happen? Really and truly? Am I dreaming this? It’s a nightmare; it just can’t be true)
The brain shuts down and protects you when the heart cannot bear to know what you already know to be so.
It was a lightbulb moment for me, but because it came from Flora, it will take time before we can find out if this scenario is a most likely explanation as to what happened.
Still doesn’t explain Ronald’s reactions, though, does it?
April 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 am
That is such a bunch of crap. Ron weaves more of a tale than the Croslin’s all put together. I find it so hard to believe that Ron actually thinks he is that smart. Why did Tim Miller leave? What was Tim’s public statement as to why they pulled out? Just curious.
I still believe that the PCSD know more details about who, what, when, and where, and are letting all the players point their fingers and hang themselves. And in the end Ron will be sitting at the defense table too.
Ron’s charges and bail on these last drug offenses are out there. He was never involved in sting. No way.
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He said PCSO asked him to leave and they said they didn’t. So who knows..
Karon I think there are going to be quite a few arrest in this case.
Ron said on NG Haleigh was on no meds. She only had to do her puffer inhaler twice a day.
vaquera said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 12:26 pm Tommy would cover for no one unless their last name was Croslin, so he’s covering for himself.. Haleigh was not dead before 7, LE’s time line starts after that time.
Misty fingered Joe and Tommy as the culprits a long time ago. If it was the three of them why in the world would she point fingers at them? I know she is only 17 but that makes no sense. And then you have Tommy saying on the phone call something like ‘they want me to say Joe did it but I’m not going to lie’– wasn’t it something like that? So what is up with that? Hmmm?
Texasmom…I don’t think we can rule anything out at this point, INCLUDING Ron being involved. We don’t have the info and evidence LE has. The cinder blocks and rope in the river could have been staged to frame Joe. Tommy could have called Joe and had him come over and the only thing Joe did was drive. We just don’t know. Could Tommy have been molesting Haleigh. Dang, at this point, I think ANYTHING is possible. But nothing can be ruled out because the stories just keep getting more and more twisted and without the evidence LE has, we’re all just peeing into the wind (by the way, could you guys not stand so close…someone peed on my shoe). LOL
Ron said on NG show that, at the time Haleigh went missing, she was not on any medication except her Albuterol inhaler. I don’t think we can know much of anything in this case for a fact.
pezzu – well, in one of my MANY theories that I posted earlier I explained why I think Misty could point the finger at Joe. If Tommy and Joe came over to steal the gun while Misty and the kids were sleeping, they could have bricked the door as that is Tommy’s MO for his burglaries. They didn’t find the gun, Joe gets angry, he’s already mad at Ron for humiliating him about the other stolen gun….He grabs Haleigh, begins molesting/raping her….Misty tries to step in but is threatened….Either Tommy joins in or is threatened and steps outside…..Perhaps Joe covers Haleigh’s face with a pillow or blanket to quiet her screams and sufficates her. Misty hides in the other room with Jr. Joe and Tommy dispose of the body. Misty won’t tell because she did nothing to stop the attack on Haleigh and she knows Ron will kill her and she’ll lose him. She doesn’t have a problem with pointing the finger at Joe because he DID do it but she knows he’ll deny it obviously and he won’t confess and tell LE that Misty was there and did nothing to stop the attack so even if she does point at Joe, her secret is safe. Tommy won’t talk because he helped dispose of the body and like Misty did nothing to stop the attack…perhaps because he hated Ron too. Joe won’t talk because, well, he killed her. So, with this theory everyone’s silence is explained. Even some of Jr’s comments about a bouncing couch, men in black, etc., can be explained with this theory.
BUT, it doesn’t explain Ron’s truly outrageous and contrary actions and words or those of other family members. It also doesn’t explain why LE hasn’t arrested Joe or gotten him to take a LDT…even allowing him to remain out of state.
So, I CAN find theories to explain a lot of things…just can’t find one that explains everything. Like why LE is looking for a silver vehicle…how Ron can talk about alligators eating his child without skipping a beat, the headless rat, why Ron has stuck so close to Misty, why he hasn’t killed Joe, etc.
There is a new article up in reference to Sundays talk show.
vaquera said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 12:32 pm Tommy killed Haleigh for whatever reason and I do believe he had been molesting her.
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Vaquera do you really believe that?
Lidsy seems pretty confident that Tommy was in bed with her at 10:30.
WOW….got sucked into the daily profiler website suggested earlier. VERY logical articles so far
Texas – Lindsey isn’t so confident anymore that Tommy was beside her. It has been said she even threatened to divorce him if he didn’t come clean….she welcomed LE to search her home where they removed more rope.
As far as the SO theory goes I will say this–As long as LE thinks these people are suspects, the longer the SO has to cover his tracks. JMO
As far as the SO theory goes I will say this–As long as LE thinks these people are suspects, the longer the SO has to cover his tracks. JMO
JB what has been said and what is fact are two things at this point many can not see the difference between and IMO can not be confirmed.
Lindsey is cooperating and IMO has shown her support to her husband and his family.
I am not going to ignore the obvious.
I ask again why would PCSO meet face to face all together in one room for the pre-search meeting with family members. Don’t think to hard just use some good ol’ common sense. Why would you want the collective to come together with the sensitive topic to be discussed and at that point LE had no collaborating evidence or a body. Insensitivity does come to mind, but, we all do not know what was discussed behind those closed doors and SH agenda.
It is a newer model Silver Plymouth Van LE was/is looking for. http://cdn.getauto.com/photos/4/160244/1c/2P4GP2535YR510558-1c.jpg
This is the Croslin van.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lc61AO1APc4/0.jpg
Everyone needs to read the recent case in Gainsville Kristina Hepp, This could be the way Ron is involved. Kristinas father beat her and she died almost a day later. Its in the gainseville paper(news) today. Usr TJharts site on the right and press news at the top and gainsville gazette comes up. jmo
Similarities in that case could fit this one only there was no cover up. jmo
Right on JB.I believe Tommy said he and Misty smoked a joint about 6pm,just prior to GS arriving with laundry.So how can GS indicate MIsty wasn’t high,messed up or whatever the term is used for when someone does drugs recently?I also believe the children did not have shirts on when GS arrived.And who arrived with GS,she said when we got there.So who is the other person?
Haleigh attended school that day and was seen riding her bike and playing after Ron left for work. GGMS did see HaLeigh well enough to run out to her car at around 7:30. That case is not this case and I find the continued implication that Ron hurt/killed HaLeigh more and more offensive. Find some real evidence to support the theory Ron is involved. Hearsay does far more damage than good.
If you want to help scoure the old video footage and see if you can help find a silver van that LE is looking for. Let me know if you need any help finding the videos.
Come on you can see GGSykes would cover for Ron. The guy cant even do his own laundry without help from her. They were enabling him, doing everything for him right down to his laundry. They knew about his drug use, his like of teen girls,his abusive behavior and just sat back and hoped it would get better.
I dont think they even thought he would harm his kids but to me it looks that way whether directly or indirectly.
For pete sake the last meal Haleigh had was Chef Boyardee, and Misty called this cooking dinner OMG.
Texasmommy, Where is the bulletin about the van or is it from a news report that could have got it wrong? Seems this was just what people in the area were saying and not PCSD.jmo
The van was a silver blue that was owned by Lindsy. You can see it on video. jmo
Tobias you are definatly entitled to your opinion based on observations served up national enquere style.
Misty was 17 and I would not expect her to have any knowledge in the art of cooking and with children that age all mothers will agree Chef Boyardee is a favorite with many children and served in many homes accross America for dinner.
We do not have to like any of these people, HaLeigh just wants to be found.
She is some where and not in that River. If anyone knows anyone driving a newer model Plymouth Van in the surrounding area of Shell Harbor please call PCSO and help find HaLeigh.
The silver van was brought up on the NG show since you are so against the national enquire show of hers I dont understand why you believe that van story? I dont base any of my theories on anything fro m that show. And you are entitled to your opinion too. I just take what people have said and how they said it into account. And weigh whether I find them truthful at the time. And some have changed their stories and support recently. jmo
tobias said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 2:42 pm Texasmommy, Where is the bulletin about the van or is it from a news report that could have got it wrong? Seems this was just what people in the area were saying and not PCSD.jmo
The van was a silver blue that was owned by Lindsy. You can see it on video. jmo
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LE stated they where looking for a newer model Silver Plymoth Van, please take a look for your self.
The people in the area where being questioned by LE, tobias. What would be their reasoning be to lie? I have heard that these residents would love nothing more for PCSO to solve this case.
The vans color is BLUE and Silver is what LE stated the color to be, no variation.
I definatly do not like the fact you and I stand toe to toe on such matters when a family is greiving and no one has found HaLeigh or her remains, no charges have been filed and no suspects have been named.
I do know and find comfort in that PCSO are the ones that have the burden to solve this case and not bloggers.
While I do think he has physically disciplined them, I do NOT believe Ron beat HaLeigh to death.
Also I dont believs GHollars stories she makes for good ratings but not much else. Anything she would know would be on jail house tapes and LE has them. Everything else is her speculating. jmo
WOW – just got through reading “The Daily Profiler” blog suggested by another blogger earlier today. IMPRESSIVE.
But Tex…you won’t want to read it….it is very anti-Ron….very rational, very well thought out, very intelligent, has some typos but otherwise well written…and VERY thought provoking. Her theories definitely give you pause and make you go hmmmmmmmm…..and none of the articles point the finger at Crystal so I KNOW you won’t like them.
owner of Mobile home must know whether he had left cinder blocks in the bk yard of his mHome, according to Ron he didn’t know there were C Blocks in the back yard,the two c,blocks I had seen on TV arn’t the same as the Cinder B that was on the Ramp at the back door,
the two that were retrieved at the dock are QUITE Heavy , so two people tied Little Haleighs limp body to one of these and carried it to the river,? smart kids , they are so smart in planning this murder the Law cant figure it out , I don’t believe she(Haleigh was thrown in the River ,LIES LIES they are just eludeing the Police ,J M O
Someone is Lying … someone knows “what Happened to Haleigh” (come on confess !!}
texasmommy – i was under the impression that the newere model plymouth van was being sought for a different case not related to HaLeigh’s?
tobias said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 2:57 pm The silver van was brought up on the NG show since you are so against the national enquire show of hers I dont understand why you believe that van story? I dont base any of my theories on anything fro m that show. And you are entitled to your opinion too. I just take what people have said and how they said it into account. And weigh whether I find them truthful at the time. And some have changed their stories and support recently. jmo
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I am calling a truec and believe you are wanting justice for HaLeigh.
I am not arguing a point but have to remind you alot has been said to impead this investigation from day one from all of the families involved. We can not pick and choose what to believe when we do not know what is the truth plan and simple.
The van story is not a NG ((((BOMBSHELL)))). Look again… seeing is believing IMO.
LOL I do not believe everything I read or hear, I have become discriminative in my reading material and now will be in the shows I listen to as well(why waste my time).
Tex….Tobias was asking where you found the statement by LE for the van and you come back with a statement about standing toe to toe with her on such matters while a family grieves…HUH?
Well, Crystal is grieving too but that didn’t stop you from ranting about how she needs to return Haleigh, confess, bring Haleigh back, blah blah blah. Tobias asked a question….Come down off your high horse…we’re all in this together and she was just asking a question for Pete’s sake…not going “toe to toe” with you. Sheesh
pezzu
Hey,doesn’t the Caylee board seem forever ago,poor beautiful little child.I don’t doubt Misty and Tommy talked to Granny,they also knew LE was listening.Interesting Misty calls 15 min after Tommy.Misty had already set up the scenario in a letter to Chelsea.Sheriff Hardy didn’t make this a homicide case for nothing and said there were several persons of interest.But,Granny should have told LE what she was told,which LE already knew,Chelsea had called them.They also tape all calls.And she should have kept her mouth shut,so it wouldn’t mess up an investigation and cause a Jerry Springer media frenzy.
Kayla,her granddaughter said Nanny wanted on tv in this case since the beginning and she got her chance.Kayla also said people were sending Nanny money.She said on NG she’s not received a penny,maybe NG should interview Kayla and find out some truth.Now,I’m wondering if she was keeping in phone contact to have an opportunity to get her face on tv.
On twitter when everyone was hearing Donna/boo called Flora and wanting her to ask that question about Misty wanting TN to babysit,we were hearing this before NG even came on yesterday.Sure enough Flo asked GGM Sykes the exact question and NG asked her where she heard it,she said Misty told her. UM HM,so makes you wonder what other bloggers had called her and gave her info,since her stories kept changing and growing more and more horrific.
pezzu
Hey,doesn’t the Caylee board seem forever ago,poor beautiful little child.I don’t doubt Misty and Tommy talked to Granny,they also knew LE was listening.Interesting Misty calls 15 min after Tommy.Misty had already set up the scenario in a letter to Chelsea.Sheriff Hardy didn’t make this a homicide case for nothing and said there were several persons of interest.But,Granny should have told LE what she was told,which LE already knew,Chelsea had called them.They also tape all calls.And she should have kept her mouth shut,so it wouldn’t mess up an investigation and cause a Jerry Springer media frenzy.
Kayla,her granddaughter said Nanny wanted on tv in this case since the beginning and she got her chance.Kayla also said people were sending Nanny money.She said on NG she’s not received a penny,maybe NG should interview Kayla and find out some truth.Now,I’m wondering if she was keeping in phone contact to have an opportunity to get her face on tv.
On twitter when everyone was hearing Donna/boo called Flora and wanting her to ask that question about Misty wanting TN to babysit,we were hearing this before NG even came on yesterday.Sure enough Flo asked GGM Sykes the exact question and NG asked her where she heard it,she said Misty told her. UM HM,so makes you wonder what other bloggers had called her and gave her info,since her stories kept changing and growing more and more horrific.
JB, The only reason I said anything about the silver van is because I havent seen reliable sources for it only unrelaible ones like NG and thats not reliable. jmo
One good thing came out of that show is Chelsea showing her true colors. And Timmy again remaining in the background. Chelsea let everyone on TV think she knew pills were laying all over the MH and she didnt call Child welfare.Not to smart sweetie.lol jmo
Sheesh JB did I ruffle your feathers? I thought you where going to ignore me forever!
tobias can find it if she wants, the truth is out there. Tobias had no problem finding the article she cited that in my opinion is offensive to even use in comparison to this case,but, that is my opinion.
The van is certainly a vital clue that LE are looking for and with the continued focus on the BS no one has grasped that we still could help and find Haleigh by assisting in locating the van.
Most of us know Misty has lied from the beg,esp Moms can read kids lieing by thier face and eyes in a heartbeat.But,we want the truth,we don’t want made up horrific stories so people can get thier 5 minutes a day on National tv.It’s horrible enough to even think about what happened to HaLeigh,without hearing lies every day from someone who wants attention,so pitiful and nasty.And I really question if this is being done to cause a mistrial later,if the purpose is to taint a jury pool in a trial.She might get her face up there in a trial,but 95% of the public is disgusted.
Wow,that post is dang long and it posted twice to boot.LOL Sorry :/
Tobias…I know, I haven’t seen anything credible about the van either. I would LOVE for someone, anyone, to point me to a bulletin from police, an article, SOMETHING (other than AH or NG) saying LE is looking for this van. I would think if they TRULY were looking for this van it would be shouted from the roof tops and the media would be all over it. I would think SIMON would have posted the press release from LE like he always does. But I haven’t heard a peep about it other than unreliable sources. I’m looking for proof. How the heck would anyone know what to look for without LE publicizing it?
Why is the Kristina Hepp case offensive? It could mirror this case right down to the nebulizer, Kristina was active enough for Ms.Folds not to know why she wasnt hungry and that was hours later. The father had custody of her and recently moved in with Ms. Folds.
She soiled the bed. The only thing different about it is Ms. Folds called for LE and EMTS.
I just wanted to show it is a possible theory in this case and I dont see it as offensive. jmo
Tex – Oh, how I DO try to ignore you but your comments to Tobias were so out there and over the top it is pathetic. She simply asked for the article about the van…you know, the one where you are getting your FACTS and you go on some tirade about going toe to toe while the family is grieving. Give me a break.
Now, going back to ignore mode…until you push my buttons again. LMAO
I am also happy to say Kristina Hepps father got a Life sentence with out parole today.
The only reason he didnt get the death penalty I think was because her mother plead for him to get life. jmo
Maybe the PCSD brought all of the family together to observe them not necessarily to share too much information but to see where everyones’ minds were because of all of the recent activities. I don’t believe that LE actually told them to make funeral arrangements. I think they may have inferred they were moving ahead in the investigation with new evidence and now have classified it as a homicide. These folks are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
The Cummings’ and the Croslins’ are like the modern day McCoys’ and Hatfields’. I think Misty will do anything to protect Ron and I think all of the Croslins’ will do anything to protect their baby girl, Misty. Misty mother is constantly trying to tell her about all the crap that Ron is saying and doing and Misty changes the subject if, you listen to the jail tapes.Misty doesn’t want to hear anything negative about Ron, she loves him.
Just my opinion
javascript:void(0) I think this is the link.
Well it didnt post but you can read the story on the gainsville gazette site.jmo
Here is one article in refrence to what LE was looking for.
http://www.ocala.com/article/20100414/articles/4141010
Tobias…it isn’t offensive.
stillucy….good point about LE bringing everyone together to watch their response to the news of moving to a homicide investigation and the search. Would be a golden opportunity to watch reactions and listen to any comments.
Wow, LMAO Jan your quick. LOL its a good thing.
Jan didnt get rid of anything I didnt do the link right and everyone can just go see it at the Gainsville Gazette to read it.lol jmo
Hey JB I provided a link for you and tobias. Can we discuss the van now instead of a case that involves a daddy killing his little girl. Which is sad and a tragidy that seems to be now solved and in the justice process. Haleigh has still not been found and a suspect has not been named or any charges filed against anyone yet.
LMAO well you must not of refreshed in time. JB and I need to get along…. per Jans actions. Thanks for the link tobias.
What link I dont see a link. jmo
Tex – Sorry…don’t see any links. Perhaps you could just tell me where to go find the article about the van. Is it a release from the police? Because I still truly believe if LE was looking for a van they would have called a press conference and asked for the media’s attention in getting the word out. If that happened, and I missed it, please let me know….but I’m not thinking that has occurred.
Tex – you and I would get along fine if you’d stop ramming your opinions down our throats and talking down to us if we don’t agree. There are a lot of theories I don’t agree with and that is fine because people are entitled to believe what they want. It is when someone beats me over the head, belittles me or other bloggers, gets nasty and makes over the top comments that I get my undies in a bunch because it is uncalled for. For a LONGGGGG time I would try to diffuse the situation with humor, distract everyone, get the fussing to stop, etc….but SOMETIMES that just doesn’t work and the offensive blogger continues to subject all who enter the room with relentless bloggin’ noggin’ floggin’s…..you my dear, are the queen of bloggin noggin floggins….LOL… agree to disagree and move on. Don’t attack others when they don’t believe what you do….and we’ll get along fine.
Here you go
Texasmommy39 said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm Here is one article in refrence to what LE was looking for.
http://www.ocala.com/article/20100414/articles/4141010
IT is not NG and AH.
JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 3:06 pm WOW – just got through reading “The Daily Profiler” blog suggested by another blogger earlier today. IMPRESSIVE.
But Tex…you won’t want to read it….it is very anti-Ron….very rational, very well thought out, very intelligent, has some typos but otherwise well written…and VERY thought provoking. Her theories definitely give you pause and make you go hmmmmmmmm…..and none of the articles point the finger at Crystal so I KNOW you won’t like them.
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I wish Crystal had taken HaLeigh….. she just might be alive today! I won’t agree it is or would of been the right way to go about solving her problems.
I haven’t seen or heard anything about the van since the beginning back in 09′. Not saying it hasn’t resurfaced but, I haven’t heard anything in the last few weeks. I have heard people mention that the vehicle was used for hunting trips to transport the “kill” in. But that was back in 09. Sorry.
I thought the van belonged to one of the Croslin brothers…….Timmy or Tommy.
JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 4:57 pm Tex – you and I would get along fine if you’d stop ramming your opinions down our throats and talking down to us if we don’t agree. There are a lot of theories I don’t agree with and that is fine because people are entitled to believe what they want. It is when someone beats me over the head, belittles me or other bloggers, gets nasty and makes over the top comments that I get my undies in a bunch because it is uncalled for. For a LONGGGGG time I would try to diffuse the situation with humor, distract everyone, get the fussing to stop, etc….but SOMETIMES that just doesn’t work and the offensive blogger continues to subject all who enter the room with relentless bloggin’ noggin’ floggin’s…..you my dear, are the queen of bloggin noggin floggins….LOL… agree to disagree and move on. Don’t attack others when they don’t believe what you do….and we’ll get along fine.
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JB, you know I do not cram my opinion down anyone throat and I have never attacked. I am generally very sweet. When rumors and lies are being considered as fact I will defiantly offer the truth and dispell mistruths if I can.
I honestly believe your problem with me is the fact that I believe the Sheffield are behind HaLeighs abduction, nothing more than that. As far as disagreeing thats fine,but, nothing becomes clear unless you deal in the facts.
Oh yes we all agree those are very minimal so here we are arguing over what again? OPINIONS>
I enjoyed your humor and am sorry it has been replaced by anger and directed at me. I have let it go and would like to move on.
Does the article satisfy all that LE is looking for a silver/grey van or do I need to make a call to PCSO in the morning?
I have been to the Putnam county sheriffs news site and there is nothing about a van blue , siver or grey mentioned. I think you have bad info and thats all so I think that has clearified the subject about the van. jmo
Thank you tobias. I wouldn’t want to mislead anyone. Dang that was easy! Do you think you can confirm all that has been said and reported this week?
I don’t if I should even post this but here is one about van. http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/breaking-news-possible-break-in-haleigh-cummings-case/
You are very welcome and if you need help with ahything else you know I will gladly help. jmo
I’ve got one thing to say about Haleigh’s screams while being raped by ToC & JO. WHy didn’t the neighbors hear it? What ToC’s neighbors can call about a barking dog but nobody hear a child screaming while being raped by 2 men. BULL!!!
Besides IF they had raped her they sure as H*LL wouldn’t allow her to scream!!! How FN stupid do they think we are?>??
Linda, That link states that they already have a person in custody and they also refer to Misty by name.
I heard tonight on HLN that Tommy’s attorney quit. He must not have done so well on his latest polygraph test.
I don’t think any of these people would know the truth if it smacked them upside the face.
stillucy , I only caught the UP Date part about the Van. TY I had compony didn’t get to watch HLN to today. I think the police make up few lies to try to get Croslin shook up. I’m married to cop and they dang well do what they want, I don’t think thats right but it’s not against the law.
I have only had time to read a few of the posts here tonight. I have some questions.
Why was Cobra recording the conversations ?
And did Ron know he was being recorded ?
I’m not being snarky or rude, I just honestly don’t know anything about these recordings, and wondered.
TIA
Linda,
God love you! I was married to a cop too! 22 years and then I found out that he totally forgot to stop dating when he pledge his fidelity to me and only me till death did we part. Oh well, stuff happens.
I don’t think cops really lie. They let crooks believe what they want them to believe. Kind of misleading. Withhold info and pertinent facts.
I heard that Tommy’s attorney withdrew from this case. I heard that Tommy took another polygraph test after the search of the river last week and since the results were confirmed with Tommy and his attorney, his attorney withdrew. Werter, his attorney, is still representing Tommy on the drug charges. Kinda makes you wanna go, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Ronald Cummings did not have anything to do w/killing his daughter.
Why does anyone think that??
When I have fought with my husband, and then he or I had to go to work, I would call so many times my battery would did. Hell, when I call Mizz Nancee it’s constantly, just re–talk, re-talk, could be 100 times.
If ur pizzed enuf, you’ll call, BUT everyone doesn’t have the same tempermant. My husband walks away from confrontation, I eagerly run to it. So, why speculate on 90 calls? For chrisakes his phone could have been in his pocket and just kept calling.(just an example how things get gossiped about)
How in the world would GGma know what shirts the kids had on at bettime? just cuz they put shirts on in front of her, doesnt mean that’s what they went to bed in, dang, their 6 and 3!!!
PILLS?????? Hold on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Chelsea, oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
SHUTUP
Does anyone notice that ANYTIME any INFO gets talked about EVEN SLIGHTLY LEANING TO TOMMY OR THE TIME TIMMY WAS THERE, that Ms. Chelsea SHOWS UP TO TALK????
And, fyi, last night on NG why did she say that everyone got interrogated and asked questions EXCEPT her and Tommy? Not true.
And, she blurted out then STUMBLED on her words because she said “There’s more things that happened…that COULD HAVE happened.” OOps!!! Check yourself, slow down girl, u just messed up, huh??
Ron stated to Tim Miller and Art Harris a long time ago with a gun pointed to himself that he would kill Misty if she had something to do with it, then kill himself, he kneeled down, then put the gun in his mouth.
Tim and Art told LE cuz they were concerned, and Junior was there at the time, alledgedly saw him do it. RON DID NOT DENY THAT, but did say he did not know Junior was watching from the den. GOT THAT CLEARED UP?
Who in the heck would smell Pot when ever??? Who the heck cares? People smoke pot then go to work, school, come on let’s get real.
PILLS? No addicted person would have anything “laying around,” it would be in a safe place, so it’s not stolen or lost.
And who said RON THINKS HIS CHILDREN ARE HIS PROPERTY???? OF COURSE HE DOES, WHATS WRONG WITH THAT?????? DANG RIGHT, MY CHILDREN ARE MY PROPERTY, TOO. Write back on that one baby!!
If having a bad temper means that u killed your kid, then all 4 of mine would be dead.
ENUF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VAN: there was an offical statement made as to whoever has infor about the stupid van to contact LE. It was a couple of weeks ago coinciding with the dock and river search. We even blogged about it.
Ron has been cleared. 2 times. Would someone Pleaaaasssssssse let Levi Page “Taco Bell” boy know that. what a tool.
sorry for the typos. i just dont care today.
Oh, and YES Cobra tapes everyone, he’s got that contraption in his truck. I don’t really think Ron gives a monkey’s butt whether or not ANYONE is recording him or videoing him or taking pics of him or looking at him. He’s aware of it, he even said it about 500 million a kazillion a billion times.
What is it about Ron that makes any of u think he would kill his daughter??????
I urge u to go to youtube and look at pics.
WHO is the one who’s commenting on young girls? Crystal and HIM BOTH WERE YOUNG when they were together.
Big deal about the age diff w/Misty. Doesnt make her any less competent to take care of kids. I know adults who shouldn’t even have kids. So, get off the age thing. She’s older and wiser than her years. She’s old enough to babysit, right? And if she isn’t, then I guess my 15 yr old can’t babysit anymore.
Who care what Ron likes? It’s his own preference. If he likes younger girls, then ok. When he’s 40, he’ll be with a 30 year old, what then???? Geez….
GOOD QUESTION: When everyone was arrested, did they get drug tested? It’s the law….when u get arrested, there is a mandatory drug test, isn’t there? I know there’s one in Louisiana.
Don’t laugh, I’m serious. It would show exactly whats in their system.
Why would you think they werent? And why does it matter, they were Arrested for trafficking reguardless of a drug test its still illegal if you pass a test, which I DOUBT ANY OF THEM DID. JMO
LE can clear you one minute and recant in the next minute. It means nothing until they have an arrest and/or the guilt party. jmo
Tobias, I was just wondering if in Florida results of tests can be revealed or not. I would be curious to see what and how many were in their systems, das all, dont hate.
About Ron being cleared, I just don’t understand how people are suddenly thinking (cuz of Cobra’s tapes which were a long time ago)that he’s actually involved.
As for Levi Page, I just don’t get why he is even on JVM. Plus, he is intent on Ron-bashing. That’s why Mizz Nancee doesn’t have him on her show, I guess.
Charges and arresting guidelines for drug offenses vary from state to state but keep in mind, this bunch of idiots were charged with trafficking not under the influence of or a driving offense. That’s exactly what they had been involved with over a period of time with undercover cops. FYI
The day after Haleigh was reported missing, what was the bandage for on Ronald’s neck? Does anyone KNOW? thank you
It might be pure speculation, but I believe Ronald Cummings is the mastermind of the entire scenerio where it concerns disposing of and hiding Haliegh. He has his own agenda to protect that meant more to him than little Haliegh. What? Drugs, guns, molestation, abuse, porn, kiddie porn? Where is all the evidence? The trailer was swept clean before calling 911. And who else was involved in his illegal activities that would have surfaced?
I believe he was/is the ringleader, the master of his universe, the rooster that rules the roost, the kingpin, everyone else his players, following his orders, doing his biding. BTW, I lean towards believing Granny Flora is telling the truth as it is told to her and as she is able to sort it out in her mind. I don’t think that she was so disassociated with her family that Misty and Tommy weren’t hitting her up for money anytime they could, her parents too.
I believe Ronald weakened, horrified, bullied and abused Crystal Sheffield. Poor thing. I believe she is about as honest at you will get out of that bunch. I hope she finds someone who will write a book for her eventually. I wish she was allowed to speak out more, she could tell us plenty about Ronald Cummings.
I’m very very disappointed in Nancy Grace for the way she is handling this and her failure to recognize Ronald for what he is; a real low life in every sense of the word, a lying sociopath with a criminal mind. She’s missing the boat on this one; N/G, of all people, a former prosecuter with vast experience, just sitting there ignoring the obvious, be damned
with the consequences all for the sake of ‘standing by her man’ just to prove she is right day after day, all based on her emotions.
Elaine:
I have noticed the bandage on Ron’s neck but do not remember ever hearing why.
Anne:
I am so there with you on all aspects. Too much negative stuff on all involved and Nancy Grace has dug herself in soooo deep. I enjoy looking at the facial expressions of her guests when she starts rambling on and on about her boy Ron. It may be my tv but they appear to turn yellow to green! It’s like everyone sees it but her.
Ron is the one that said that he had been cleared as a person of interest by the PCSD as he also stated that he and Misty had also passed their polygraph exams. The PCSD never made those statements. Ron made these statements on interviews. All the interviews are on YouTube.
I feel so bad for Crystal. The guilt she must be carrying. I’m just relieved that she finally has Jr back with her and away from that bunch in Satsuma.
With Teresa being an employee of PCSD, I don’t know why they didn’t just turn the investigation over completely to the State to avoid any improprieties and to move forward quickly to insure justice for HaLeigh.
Still Lucy; what I’m wondering is where is the FBI in all this! Even the FlaBI. Where ARE they? I’m not saying Ron is the one who actually killed Haliegh, although that remains to be seen too, depending on what REALLY happened before he went to work that day; however, I SOO believe he is the one who has engineered this entire coverup and it includes every member of his family, the dumb and the not so dumb, Misty and most of her family. Ha. Not Granny Flora tho, I sense that she is not afraid of him for one second. If she thinks she knows something, she’ll tell it, right or wrong. To me, it’s obvious he suspects Ron’s part in all this. She has already let out a hint. One gutsy woman!
As for poor Crystal Sheffield, Ron had totally beat her down. There’s so much more to her story. For one thing, keep in mind there is another child belonging to Ronald Cummings out there somewhere, a woman who will have nothing to do with him, child support or not. There’s another one (a grilfriend) who “lost” a child with him. “Lost”, or he caused the demise? That has been implied, ‘with a screw driver’? This came up on a recording made by Cobra. Was it Crystal, who?
He never married Crystal and stuck her with two little kids, barely a year apart. He is 99% likely the one who got HER on drugs; he brow beat her, bullied her, abused her, took her kids and put her out. She had no job, no money, no car, couldn’t even drive, no lawyer to help her, not even a way to go to Family Court to stop him from taking her children.
All he had to do was walk in alone, she was completed beat down, had no ride, was not there and it appeared she was a no-show and didn’t care. NO telling what he told the judge when he was awarded custody. And he had the job and the income, the residence in HIS name, she had nothing and it was easy as 1 2 3 for him to gain custody. Her hands were completely tied, then she had no say-so over the way he ran her children’s lives. I feel sorry for her. I do.
He ruined her life, now he’s cost her the life of her little girl. Regardless as to what his participation might or might not have been, he is directly to blame for that child’s death by leaving her in the care of unsavory dope head characters, all for his preferred lifestyle, that HE created himself! EVEN continuing to sell and do dope after little Halieth went missing and he already KNEW she was dead. But what does he do? He even risks the life of the one remaining child! That’s how much he cared. How anyone could have an ounce of sympathy for Ronald Cummings is beyond my wildest imagination. No telling what all poor little Jr has seen in his four short years.
And there sits Nancy Grace defending him and all but defying anyone to speak out with many facts that are being withheld. Unbelievable! Someone either needs to shake her liver lose until she comes to her senses, or send her on an extended leave and replace her with someone with an open mind. It’s utterly ridiculous how blindly slanted and pious her viewpoint is.
The FBI won’t be involved because it isn’t a federal case.
Ron has a son from a relationship prior to Crystal and a son that has medical issues, go figure, from a relationship prior to Misty. It was reported to Police that after HaLeigh’s disappearance, he tried to use Jr to abduct the youngest child. There are some reports floating around about it. I believe her name is Amber. It’s been reported that she’s involved in this drug world too.
Nancy Grace’s loyalties are totally misplaced. She really dropped the ball on this one. But, I’ve been following her for a few years now and she seems to jump in before she gets her facts lined up alot. HLN may need to pull her in a bit. She may need a vacation.
Have you checked out Pat Brown or Art Harris’s websites? You may find some interesting FACTUAL items on both sites.
As far as that huge band aid visible on Ronald’s neck when Haleigh went missing, the explanation was he frequently gets huge boils in that area and they have to be lanced. That was the reason. (supposedly)
I just saw the youtube video of Daddy’s Little Girl/barbibabies. It shows many pictures of Haleigh, Ron, Junior, and other family members. I was struck by how genuine Ron appears to be; so loving, and even doting. He dyes Easter eggs with them, frolics on the beach, and helps them put ornaments on the Christmas tree. If Ronald did not act so freaking suspiciously after Haleigh’s disappearance, these pictures would sway me away from him. Aye, but that’s the rub. He DID behave oddly. This case seems to have all the earmarks of being masterminded by him, whether or not it was all AFTER the fact.
For immediate release
Leonard Padillia famed bounty hunter and star of the Nancy Grace show and Flora Hollars, loveable and articulate Grandmother of Misty Croslin,( the murderer of Haleigh Cummings) have announce their plans to marry.
Wedding date will be announced as soon as sterilization procedures are completed on the couple.
Mr. Padillia and Ms Hollars said in a joint statement they owe their good fortune to the Nancy Grace Show where they met
. Couple will set up housekeeping at Easy Tymns trailer park near the St. John River in Florida.
It seems rather demented to make jokes about the tragic death of an innocent 5yr old child left in the custody of her father that had less moral character than that of the decapitated rat that he left in the mail box of Tommy Croslin. As long as someone keeps telling some sort of truth to keep the case open is a good thing. Investigators can pull everything together as long as someone is talking.
Does anyone KNOW if Joe Overstreet is locked up or not? thank you.
And..I hope their is a doctor’s name and records of when Ron’s neck boils were lanced.
You’ve lost me there a little StillLucy… So then, are there one or two kids before Haliegh and Jr, with one or two women; and one since Jr but before Misty, and then one that was “lost” with a ‘girlfriend’? How many kids all total, four, not counting the one “lost”? (caused by a screwdriver?) The name Amber, was she the mother of one of the other kids? All this while T/N is so “proud of him!” For what?
BTW, I’ve read Pat Brown, Criminal Profiler articles. Not so much on Art Harris as he doesn’t seem to say much on his site. There was a link to a radio program video on Pat Brown’s’ site that had a lot of interesting twists and turns about Ronald Cummings. A real eye opener. L. Pidilla doesn’t have any articles on his site. I wonder what is his take on all this? I hear Ron turned down his offer to bail him out of jail. Fraidy cat! Shoot man, if it were me and I had nothing to hide, I’d take L.P. up on his offer in a NY minute. L/P could write all the checks for me he wanted too and I’d sit back and relax and be happy to spill my guts. Wouldn’t you? Why not, if you ‘ain’t dun nutin’, right?
I don’t understand why the guests on N/G tolerate the way she talks to them. Like dirt. There wouldn’t be enough money out there to pay me to be a guest on her show. I got so disgusted once about the way she talked to Daniel Horowitz, and this right after his wife Victoria was butchered by a neighbor; that I fired off an email to him and asked him to forward it to her, telling her how disgusting it was to treat him like that. He did, and I noticed she was nicer to him after that but not the last time he was on there. I had an email from him telling me that she does not treat him like that in private, that this is just the show. I wouldn’t take this for five seconds let alone on national television!
Prior to Crystal having HaLeigh and Jr, Ron had a son with another female. So that would be 3 and then before Misty, Ron was involved in a relationship with another underaged girl named Amber that gave birth to a son fathered by Ron. That son has severe physical and mental limitations due to birth defects. It has been reported that Amber was beaten and abused by Ron and Amber was involved in using illegal narcotics. So that makes 4 kids. I don’t know about a screw driver. Amber’s baby is the child that Ron used Jr to try to abduct. It was reported to police as an attemped abduction right before Ron got arrested on drug charges.
Cobra was on blog radio today and said that Ron had Nancy Grace’s cell number and that she was working with Ron on getting him an attorney back in 09′ a few months after HaLeigh went missing. That woman is nuts. HLN needs to reevaluate her contract. She has stepped over the line here. Cobra said that Art Harris knew about it too. I’m going to post a message on Art’s blog and inquire about it. that makes me sick.
OMG! He has her CELL PHONE #??! That woman really IS nutso, Lucy!! What in hell could be her motivation? Cause he calls her “Miss Nancy”? Cause he reacted the way she said she would have reacted had it been one of her children missing? Well, it’s NOT one of her children missing! In the first place, normal people wouldn’t react like he did!! Obviously she has no concept how druggies operate and how clever they are.
She needs to be looking into how much money Ronald Cummings was getting off the State of Fl as a single parent! Let me tell you, there are all kinds of subsidies down here for free medical coverage for his kids (even for himself), food stamps and rent subsidies just to mention a few, all because he is a single parent of two; yes, on top of his earnings. It would not have been worth his while to try to force Crystal to pay support when he could get all that from the State, another good reason to put her out and take the kids. He had it all coming in and nothing going out. Not to mention his under the table drug sales. And possibly guns. A real deadbeat.
N/G needs to come down off her soapbox and realize what reality is all about. I find it heard to believe that she was ever a prosecuter who won all these cases. She certainly is no advocate for abused women and children and those that are neglected and abandoned. What in the name of all that’s holy could that woman be thinking about???! She has no knowledge how much Misty knows and doesn’t know, or WHY Misty would lie and cover. Yet she hounds and hounds while closing her eyes to Ronald Cummings, the lover Misty is protecting. Is she stupid, or what!?
She also stepped over the line in the case of missing little Trenton Duckett down here in Fl. Remember him? Now he’s missing forever, never to be heard of again. Where is little Trenton? Bones lying out in the woods, sold into child video porn and murdered? Where? Remember, his mother committed suicide before any facts could be attained as she was being driven to the max by N/G. Oh, I believe the mother was guilty as sin, nonetheless, it was not N/G’s business to push her over the edge. We might have been able to find little Trenton had she backed off. There’s another one for ya! BTW, where can I find the Cobra radio blog?
Cobra was on here with Simon Barrett. BBN, Saturdays @3pm eastern time. Here on this site BlogTalkRadio. They cover Caylee and HaLeigh both every week and Cobra is usually on.
I think this case may just bite Nancy Grace in the butt. Especially after that comment today. I’ve noticed on some other blogs people talking about the cell number exchange thing. It’s out there. She’s a nut.
I threw Art Harris a post now see what he does with it. I can’t wait to see if anything is brought up to Nancy about it this week. I think everyone is scared of her.
I remember little Trenton. That was so sad. I feel so bad for his dad. Didn’t Nancy have to testify about that? A deposition or something?
I just hope that Trenton was given off to a family that is loving and caring for him. Wasn’t that a scenario? The mother gave him away to keep him from the father. NON-english speaking, maybe Korean? All you can do is hope and pray.
ANNE: Sorry, it’s this site BNN, not BBN.
Lucy, I went back and read up a little on the Art Harris Blog, but I didn’t see anything that incriminated Ronald Cummings. Also didn’t see your post, maybe I am looking in the wrong place. I saw where someone named Steve Brown was defending Ronald on Crystal Sheffield’s behalf. Does this mean she has a new attorney? I know she did have a female lawyer. I don’t think Art Harris would go against N/G, do you? Yes, afraid of N/G, these people work for her, right? Also, I did not find the tape you mentioned on BlogTalk Radio. There again, maybe I wasn’t looking in the right place.
What happened in the Trenton Duckett matter was that her adopted parents sued N/G and the network after their daughter killed herself in her parent’s home in a closet, blaming N/G for her death. From that day on N/G never said another word or mentioned the case again. I thought N/G had hung herself then, but no. Yes, I do believe the woman was guilty of doing something terrible to her child. Why she couldn’t just give him to his father was a mystery since she obviously did not want him. That would have been the end for her. No support, scott free of any ties to any of them. The State of Fl would have helped him.
But no, she hoaxed up a fake break-in in his room and quickly repainted his room; she threw out everything he owned in the dumpster, even his unopened food, clothes and toys. If she had given him away she would have packed up his things with him. Don’t buy that one. But she HAD made some raw porn tapes with him lying there on the floor beside her while sticking a bottle in his mouth! Then she turned up with unaccounted for money after he disappeared. No doubt in my mind she did something awful with that child, but what?
N/G DID drive her to total destruction with her hounding. Had she left her alone the child might have been found. Yes, so sad for the dad and his mother. They knew she was no good. They tried every way in the world to get that child away from her thru the DCF, all to no avail, now missing forever. But N/G pushed the last button with her non-stop hounding and harassing her.
Lucy, THANK YOU. I did listen to the BNN radio video. (It is at the top of this page). Yes, you are so right. N/G DID give her private number to Ronald Cummings back when Cobra was trying to quietly investigate Ron’s participation in Haliegh’s disappearance. N/G effectually sabatoged the investigation and they all know it!!! They also know Ron was/is involved in the cover up, there is no doubt in their minds. It’s a matter of FE and other investigators getting to the bottom of exactly what WAS his participation.
I’m sure you know by now they also suspect Haliegh was being sexually abused, also they suspect prostitution. Why in this world Nancy Grace would buddy up and coddle him, meddle and interfer like this, is just beyond me. She has taken his side against finding the truth. Yes, she has SOOO stepped over the line. There is so much more to this investigation that has not yet come to fruition, there could be as many as seven people involved. Ron Cummings isn’t going to get away with this. The glitch is, they may never be able to prove it at this point. I pray they can.
About the Trenton Duckett case… The FBI was on their way to the house before the show was to be aired because of the porn she was in while her child was in the background. That is why she killed herself. The porn part had not been let out of the bag yet. I don’t think Nancy was the reason. No, Melinda had run out of time and she knew it. I believe the guy/guys that helped her clean the house of the child’s toys and food would know if Trenton is dead or alive…
However,I am not happy about Nancy Grace’s show. I wish she would focus on 4 murder investigations on one show instead of being able to watch her show the first ten minutes and know the next 40 will be repeated over and over and over. She would really be standing for justice if she would help in more than one disappearance a night. I then believe she would deserve all the compliments she receives from her callers.
NG is in Love with RC, it is so easy to tell the way she protects his interests. I truly beleive she would give up her family for RC and become his Slave just like Misty and all the others did. I also beleive RC’s Mom, don’t know her name, has something sinister to hide in this case. Her and Misty, too close! I pray the truth will be uncovered. God bless Haleigh.
Elaine, I agree with you concerning your comments about the N/G show, and more. She wastes so much time repeating the same tapes over and over, then the next night or days later will repeat them all over again, especially on the week-ends and when she is taking off a long week-end. All of this wasted time when she could properly cover two or more worthy news stories in one evening and NOT play repeat tapes over and over dragging them out for a full hour.
On 3-day week-ends they could replace her with someone else who could bring a fresher outlook on these cases, but do they? Hell no. Oh, and she bombards us with shows about Tiger, Sandra, or whatever, newsreels we see on other shows! It has become not much more than a waste of time and hearing her insulting mouth.
About little Trenton Duckett, yes the news was out about his mother making the porn tapes otherwise I would not have known about it. But yes, time had snuck up on her where she would be able to get away with little Trenton’s disappearance much longer and she was boxed into a corner; but N/G helped to put her in that corner. As to the lawsuit, yes, N/G was accused by the parents of being the one who caused her suicide. It’s a matter of record. That’s all I was saying. I didn’t say she ’caused’ it, but she sure didn’t help.
Thanks for your response. Have a good evening!
She sure acts like it, doesn’t she Kymel? Or is it that she just can’t face being wrong? Well, she definitely IS wrong about Ronald Cummings and the sooner she takes a good look at him for what he really is, the sooner she might be able to save face. Somebody needs to set her down and lay out the FACTS for her cause she sure isn’t seeing them now.
If she could just hear the one tape I listened to tonight on the BNN Radio Broadcast (above), and hear how R/C doubled up his fists and beat teenage Amber in the stomach when she was pregnant with his little boy who subsequently was born both physically and mentally handicapped, that ought to give her an eye opener. There are so MANY things R/C has done both before and since Haliegh’s disappearance, that N/G needs pounded into her head. My word! She’s gone over the edge. GNite…
Anne.. I don’t get home from work till 9:45. My husband and I want to watch the news and as many shows as we can before we go to bed. We watch the first 10 minutes of the show and then I say “that’s the show,let’s watch something else”, lol
I remember myself not knowing about Melinda’s porn until after she committed suicide and read she got a phone call from the FBI to say they were on the way to see her. I then read it was about her porn involvement…
I think she didn’t want caught what she did, so she took her own life… My opinion.
You are welcome. Goodnight.
You may very well be right Elaine, but she had already gotten rid of the little boy by then and that was worse than getting caught with the porn. That one was a real schemer, she was going to do exactly as she pleased and be damned with anyone who got in her way. Once N/G got on her trail and wouldn’t back off, she knew her time was up, she was trapped no matter which way she turned. So I don’t disagree that it was a combination of things that there was no way out for her.
N/G blew it with her incessant hounding; but I’m not personally saying that N/G caused her to kill herself, she likely would have done it anyway, but her parents sure did point the finger at N/G. It was true that N/G did hound and hound her non-stop, but my personal feeling was that this was one hell of a “thank you” to the people who adopted her and raised her, “so I’ll just blow my brains out in your closet”. That’s the payback she gave them. She was rotten to the core. No telling what she did with that child. Again… G/nite
Anne,
I meant getting caught with what she did to Trenton.
It did look like I meant with the porn. Sorry
It’s okay Elaine, N/P. We’re on the same page.
Now, if FE can just find all of R/C’s hard drives and video equipment that bunch was using they might be able to get to the bottom of a few things. Drug dealers/users have no bounderies. They had computers and video cameras, they all had My Space accounts didn’t they? There’s much more than meets the eye that went on with Ronald Cummings. But where?
That trailer was staged and cleaned out good by the time 911 was called, not even a prescription bottle was found? Everybody has a prescription every now and then, but no one there had any? Not believable. Where is the drug paraphernalia? Where is all the computer and video evidence, Haliegh’s blanket with DNA, etc? Buried in a hole with little Haliegh? Or was she really dropped in the St. John’s River and a hole dug somewhere else? Or were electronics, etc., disposed of the next day enroute to Tenn? It’s all out there, just where?
I think the reason N/G’s shows have so many repeats over and over, and no one to carry the show on week-ends, holidays; it’s cheap production for them. Just look at all the money they are saving by not having more than one decent segment on each show and doing all those repeats. They don’t have to pay camera and production people to run around gathering up the info for making the shows. They’ve let her show wind down to practically nothing but hour long repeats with little substance, and she’s only there herself four nights a week, sometimes three. Jean fills in occasionally, but the rest is all free production for them. When you compare their cheap production to other shows, they’re the worst out there.
At one point during clip two cobra speculates as to what joe’s limits are and ron replies “i’m scared of him” hmm…makes you wonder if everyone involved lives in fear of joe.
NO BOSS HOGG, I think the bottom line is everyone involved lives in fear of Ronald Cummings. (Everyone but Nancy Grace, that is, she laps up his every word). Who is Joe, what is Joe? Nothing but a stupid little do nothing loud-mouthed hillbilly twerp and a bully, cursing at women, F this and F that. A sexual predator, capable of murdering a child? I don’t know, could be. But R/C is the master of his universe, the kingpin, the rooster that rules the roost, the schemer, and everybody else damned well better believe it and tow the line. HIS LINE. Maybe little Joe stepped over “his line”. But I doubt it.
wow I know what he said, he said tommy, who he calls hank was at that lake fishing with tommy/hanks son and junior than the guy said shit there are alligators in here like placid I better hurry up and get my son snd get out of here and some other guy
Ron said some other guy said let the alligators do the rest so thats where he thinks his daughter is at. that is so sad and nancy grace needs to leave them alone she seems to be more focused on the young adults and teen more than little haleigh
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