Thanks, Simon. Hmm. Should be interesting

Lake Placid…that’s the movie with the giant alligator, right? Ugh!

KIR – are you listening to the tapes now? I can’t because I’m at work. I’ll try to listen to them at home tonight but I never can understand anything but the cussin’…lol…I can make those words out just fine! I guess because there are always SO many of them! LOL

JB, they are just audio. Can’t really hear them very well. Like you said, we can hear Cobra and the cussing but not much else, LOL

Ronald mentions the story about Tommy and Joe fishing and talking about it being a good place to kill and hide a body, then he says, don’t you think that’s where my daughter is at, probably?

Cobra, I guess that is who he is talking to, said, well, I’m trying to get a team down here.

So Ron claims to have lots of knowledge about gators habits. And why is it so important for him to make comments about his tattoos?
Ron sure does remember a lot about that conversation with Tommy about the fishing trip.
Ron is very intense. jmo

Sounds like we CAN understand these tapes. Dang, now I can’t wait to get home and listen! What’s a little blood loss through my ears for the sake of Haleigh?

Ron is making comments about getting his Haleigh tattoo when she was born and Crystal just got hers . He says so whats that tell ya?
Seems he is blaming Crystal and the Croslins and Joe all at the same time. The guy is so intense its like he is on speed (and now that we know he does drugs) Coke does that too. jmo

Never once does he get emotional yet he is talking about gator eating his daughter OMG Really who does that? jmo

Thanks, Simon

He talks about gators stuffing kill in burrows and claims he has alot of gator knowledge for being half cobras age. Bragging. Man he asks cobra if he thinks thats where haleigh is?
Cobra cant search without LE permission.
COBRA I FEEL SO SORRY FOR YOU RIGHT NOW I CANT EVEN FIND THE WORDS TO EXPRESS IT. JMO

Here is the best I could understand from all of it..

second tape, Cobras asks Ronald if he has any police connections to help get search down there to look for Haleigh and a hand radar,Ron said, no, but goes on to explain about how alligators burrow and how knowledgeable he is.

Cobra talking about Joe being a good liar…
Cobra tells Ron don’t do anything stupid, because he has to take care of himself for his “KIDS”
Ron say’s JR is going to be with him for ever till the day he dies, even if he has to go with him like that.

Cobra asks is that how her name is supposed to be pronounced/spelled, Hay Leigh, what’s up with that, I thought her name was spelled regular.
Ron talks about messing up Haleigh’s name on something. Ronald said, yeah, that is how we were going to write it, “Hay Leigh” Not sure if it is his tattoo, but on the birth certificate it is Haleigh.

Ron say;s look at this one, “tattoo” I guess, and how come she is just now getting one on her back?

Hard to understand with all the sirens going on in the back ground.

He does ask cobra if he thinks thats where she is at. jmo

tobias said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm He does ask cobra if he thinks thats where she is at. jmo
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Yep! I put that in another post..

“then he says, don’t you think that’s where my daughter is at, probably?”

Exactly, tobias, no emotion. I was thinking he was talking about JO might have a GF who lost her baby, he said that is what he knows to happen to missing kids, someone loses a baby and steals one.

Yeah, but wouldn’t they take a baby if they lost a baby, not a 5 year old?

I just listened to the second tape and took ya’alls word for it on the first one.
I can hardly breath. It’s almost stunning to the point that it is painful.

Is it just me or did it come off as if it were nearly the same attitude as if two people sitting down having a calm conversation over a cup of Joe?
I’m not sure of that pun was intentional or not. I feel numb right now and who knows what my subconsceince is trying to say here too.

Tuff what really got me was, Cobra mentioned “Kid’s” and he really accented “kid’s” in his speach, which was probably a way to see if Ronald responded to “kid’s” in which he did not, he talked like Jr. was the only one to worry about..

BIO, NO THEY DO NOT ACID EATS THE BONES. NOW I AM SICK BBL

tobias, with all the pointing from early on about Joe, I have to wonder why LE would have any new suspicion for Joe, or do they? We have only heard Mizz Hollers and the jailbirds story. My guess is LE has not believed the Joe story, they may have other evidence pointing away from him and pointing to someone else.

“Some sorry PIECE OF TRASH STOLE MY CHILD!”

Ronald Cummings’ daughter was never stolen per say… but he is the sorry piece of trash that killed her..

I can tell MOST of us here are on the same page..

hey guys,had to clean some stuff on this thing! yall heard the tapes yet? I havent!

I also caught what he was saying about Jr. being with him forever. He imvho was making a very obvious threat.
I am so glad that Jr. is no longer in his custody. OMF!

if we ever need to teach a foreighner or tourist how to cuss,Cobras be da man!lol

omg sue i cannot wait!

Again I have to say COBRA I CAN NOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR EFFORTS TO FIND HALEIGH AND I FEEL FOR YOU AND UNDERSTAND NOW HOW YOU COULDNT TAKE IT ANYMORE. JMO

tobias said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm Never once does he get emotional yet he is talking about gator eating his daughter OMG Really who does that? jmo
OMG PLZ tell me youre lyinnnnnnn

OMG,I got caught up and wish i hadn’t almost,that sorry ass piece of trash……………..

yall remember too when the ld guy asked misty why she wasn’t telling the truth when he asked if Ron would harm Haleigh?? he said you’re lying when i asked you why?

Wow…… yall’s about to get squeezed into
Teeny Tiny Little Balls!!

I truly believe, and I have said this before, the only “footage” of RC truly grieving was when he was filmed by UC wheeling and dealing and swallowing drugs…….. correct me if I am wrong, but was he not in between drug deals on one of the tapes, to go get his son?? And this is how a man whose daughter is missing/dead grieves??? and is so callous he blows off his responsibility to his only living child and continues to subject that child to the same enviornment that caused the death/disapperance of his daughter?? Dysfunctional families aside, I don’t believe him any more than I do the rest of this totally absurd so called family.

Too late for Haleigh, my heart breaks for the remaining children living in the on going generational drug addicted chaos.

Correct me if I am wrong, but NG nor JVM pay for guest appearances…. copyrights to photo’s, home videos yes, but not for appearances as Gramma Hollar is doing…… not sure I believe her, and am beyond disgusted with her “Misty must have liked it” with Joe comment, but surely even this woman knows that jail calls are taped..therefore, why the lies, if she is lying… SO very hard to believe anyone in this family….. Gramma is doing the family proud tho, changing her stories every 15 minutes…… must be a generational thing..

I think so too,Tobias,how the hell can a man stand there and say the things he said?I wanna know damn it!

my stomach hurts bad

(((((Each and every single one of you guys)))))

BA, Do you mean Chads?

No Tobias, his mate.

We wondered what happened to you. Glad to see you are back. jmo

Don’t make me search all of them, ba*cent.

What does Levi have to do with the current tapes that we just listened to? Maybe you should call into his show??? jmo

I dont think Crystal wants to believe what we have just heard and assumed from these tapes. jmo

*status/mood… gawd.

ali vs. frazier
coming up on NG

adams,do you have a link for livestream,n/g or jvm?? neither i found works good!

I swear to Go,ya gotta luv Tobias even if you don’t always agree,i still get tickled every time i see this jmo?? I don’t care if she says its 2000 degrees outside you still see the jmo…
Thats your trademark for me Tobias,lol jmo

oh he’s in gp? now.how do i miss this stuff! good Gawd as Adams says!

just carry on a convo about gators and his daughter and never once skip a heartbeat,i thought the uc tape was bad?? dope boys comment but jeeeeeez

Y/W Buddy @ 7:00
Y/W CathyJo @ 7:07… I hope it works for ya!

Gee! I can’t stand to listen to Nancy,but I want to watch the ho-down with the grannies..
I guess Nancy caught on to people turning her off once the Haleigh segment is over, so now she reports on it last.

thats what i thought Buddy,i can’t get either one to work well enough,the static drives me insane! so i’ll learn here i suppose!

Nancy has got to be brought down to size,I mean she has one this her entire life and she don’t like it when she’s asked a certain ? but knowing all the crap in this case,she adds more and imho.she is using granny!!!!!!

thats prolly the only thing i will ever agree on with c/a…sensationalism and i do hate to agree with c/a on anything but imo she is!

Of course she is using Grannie it’s all about ratings and her making more of a caricature of herself than she already is.. but it brings money and fame.. we are done with the twin love fest, lord help me as if she is the only mother..good grief.. both gm’s are on now, will give you a reader’s digest version if you dont have one when I come back, cathyjo.

ya know,he was talking to his own Mother,so why woul he say,”my daughter to her”

lord yes,tyvm!

how we needed you to transcribe!

she didn’t want cameras there in her case,thats just nutty as hello……….

I use to think what i’dd give to have her on my husband’s case,but i guess it’s a good thing she wasn’t cuz I am more backwards than poor ole Granny,N/G would have a field day with me!lol

Holler is the correct way,lol j/k Oj but thats what i call em,heck i lived in coon holler my whole life and the next holler down was dead mare branch,and stinking branch,lol

Gosh yea it is Dallas!

CathyJo said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 7:48 pm I was born and raised not 10 miles from Loretta lynns holler,lol

My great grandparents were too CathyJo — the school bus stopped in front of their place and dropped them off

oh man!! Chelsea called in, it gets even more strange than I imagined! So we have a 3 way brawl……… all the experts are saying there are tapes that exist of the calls, so it is so very easy to substantiate what grannie hollars is saying.. in a day or so it will be documented to the press, most don’t seem to believe her… Chelsea said that in the 7 yrs she has been in the Crolin commune Grannie was never around and was and is estranged from the family. Grammie Sykes (whom is a TRUE bio grandmother, not a 3 month step relationship) sounds very direct and honest and very uncertain to what really happened. Obvious no respect for what Hollar is saying JMO

OMG WAHHHHHHHHHH,now b/c and we missed it!

Wow CathyJo very small world. The Webb’s were at my pappaw’s funeral. Really strange if your family was too!

I am not certain,sorry.but they filmed coal miners dtr not 5 miles from me and my ex sisnlaws mom was in the movie singing over LL’s dads casket!and my husband and his cousin were taking an ole truck they fixed up…lmbo b/c they needed them for the movie,they went down rockhouse mountain a flyin on 2 wheels and changed their mind in a hurry!

But the dr’s office in the movie is exactly how it looks even today!

meant to add,the breaks went out is why they were flying! lol

i wouldn’t ddoubt they werent there tho Pez,i have been to zillions of churches and funerals…my parents knew everbody!i was raised at church and funerals,lol

wow Tuff!

If GH was so astranged why did Misty , Lisa AND hank go there when they left Florida?
Lisa and Hank both went there when they ran off with the stolen checks. Misty went there for 2 weeks in Oct. GH said she loaned Hank 700 on one of the jail calls to Misty I have never heard any from Tommy. Tommy does like her because he asked Lindsy to let her stay with her when she came for their court date.
NOW WE LEARNED FROM CHELSEA THE GUN WAS FOUND AT TOMMYS PROPERTY WHERE JOE STAYED BEFORE THE FIGHT THEN HE WENT TO TIMMYS. JUST PROVES tOMMY PROBABLY STOLE THE GUN AND jOE GOT BLAMED. Why would Chelsea come on and say anything? Again she is in protect mode. jmo

ya gotta be sometime Tracy,Whatever Haleigh had to suffer with,surely we can hear that!

omy Tobias! wowwwwwww

right Buddy,she don’t wanna hear the good stuff! just stuff that makes them look worse!

amen there Tobias,maybe lp will buy her a car,lol

i know they did say that lindsay allowed them to search and they found a rifle?? pretty certain anyway,and now too……..Lindsay threw their boots away,whewwwww

idn’t they get some yellow rope from Tommys!

I am sick, the stories just get sicker and sicker. Misty has gone too far if she is lying and I feel she is. She is desperate to blame someone else for what happened. The story now is just to sick to even repeat and its totally a lie. If junior heard that couch bounce he would have said sissy was crying. Its false. jmo

Tobias
Flora said herself she went 3 times to Colorado to see Lisa and Hank years ago,two of those times the kids were in Michigan,so she didn’t see them.And Misty stayed with her a little bit,at around 13 years old.Most of the time the Croslins have lived in Florida.Chelsea said tonight in 7 years of her being in the family,they’ve seen Flora,I think once or a couple of times,can’t remember.

Kayla,her granddaughter said on two different sites online,people were sending Flora money.Is this her motivation,even though she’s said she’s not gotten any deals,doesn’t mean she’s not getting any money.But LE should check into this,since she’s thrown the investigation into a media fury with her upteen versions of what she says Misty has told her.

what Tobias?

That one lawyer on NG is exactly right,Flora is just blabbing.LOL I loved that,that cracked me up.Then you have the psycho analyst(LOL),she’s always creepy on there with her usual bs of silliness.And NG,whose show has become Jerry Springer 2.She’s defending Flora,because she wants her ratings to go up,but everyone’s just shaking thier head at letting this babbling woman on her show the last few nights.Waste of a show,and why so many have stopped watching.There are so many missing children and people that need help,not Jerry Springer/National Enquirer.

Maybe the took Ronald’s computer, he seems to be the only one without a myspace or facebook.

Ron is guilty of something and Misty claims she “still loves him”. I think she will make up any story to not implicate Ron. He has taken over her young mind and convinced her not to tell the true story. She’s not going to get out of jail by doing so, and her loyalty to Ron is more important to her.

Has anyone wondered how Ron can afford such an expensive, well respected lawyer? His mom is very savvy, and shrewd. She told him to be careful in jail because of “snitches”. What was she afraid he would say? Certainly not getting caught red handed making a drug deal. I’ve never trusted his mom either.

Nancy Grace should represent Ron, because she basically defends him at all times. It’s really pathetic on her part. She tears into the women, but Ron gets a free pass.

Yeah Buddy.
After watching all that go down like it did I am concerned about GGMa Sykes memory now.

Seems to me that part of Misty’s alibi came over a week later in the form of GGMa suddenly saying that she had stopped by the mh that night to drop off clothes and what not.
All that alibi even though Misty hadn’t said one word about that before then and she didn’t include GGMa Sykes dropping by in media questions that were asked regarding who had come over that night afterwards either.

Now I am wondering if the AC guy saw Haleigh. If not there is no sighting after she left the bus thats reliable. jmo

What happened to Misty being totally exhausted? Now she was fine and running around.
Please these people all of them have lied but which is the lie? The first version or the last????? geeeezzzz. jmo

tobias,
I’m trying to find out how long Misty lived with her when she was younger,never really thought about how long.But Flora according to family was not involved with the Florida bunch,didn’t know what was going on there.From the looks of it,not too much with the Tenn bunch either.LOL They don’t think too much of her according to Kayla.

Well if Grammie Flora promotes finishing school and staying out of trouble, which is what she had hoped for with Misty, I could easily see why quite a few of them wouldn’t want to be all fuzzy and warm about her.
She might be the type to whip out the fry pan after all LOL!

Misty and Tommy called her e heard that. How did they get her phone number if they had no contact with her. Please they never thought she would turn on them. jmo

So funny to me that ONCE AGAIN it’s Chelsea who does the talking and not Timmy. What a riot!

I suppose that could very well be the case after all Tobias? I dunno. Doesn’t matter to me though because if Baby Sister ~A GIRL~ can come out defending her Big Brother then you would think that her Big Brother would at least do the same in return?
That’s some chicken shiznit right there imvho!

…Just sayin.

NG would give airtime to a frog if it could boost her ratings.LOL

LOL,Granny would give up her push up bra and false eyelashes to get airtime on any show. 🙂

Goodnight everyone pray for Haleigh to be a peace. She deserves that and more.

Goodnight Tobias.

So now why would Annette Sykes say she had no idea what was going on with the search and what not if, well, not if since she admitted that it was true that Flora Hollers had TOLD her about all of it?
Why would she have said that though?

I don’t know Tuff,first we’ve heard about all of that.From what Flora said Tommy and Misty had told her on the phone.But,then Chelsea says Misty wrote it to her in a letter and she called LE and Flora,Flora said she called GGM Sykes and LE.Chelsea said LE didn’t listen to her or something,I’m going to have to listen to all of that again.But,I don’t understand why LE didn’t search that dock at the beginning.Unless they weren’t told about it,it’s so confusing now.The only thing that’s different is LE is saying it’s a homicide,so they’ve gotten a confession or found something,but why no arrests,unless they’re waiting for lab results.

WinterRose I think there have been no arrests as of yet because LE wants to make 100% sure that they are matching up and arresting the right persons for the crime(s) that were committed.
IIRC LE stated that there were several persons of interest.

This is true Tuff,we did get out of this that there are three persons of interests.

I did not watch NG but someone earlier posted that NG cut GSykes off when she started to say she and TN went to search the area (the evening before the LE search began)….I think GSykes was trying to say she and TN went there to search and were told by LE they could not be there.

Not 100% sure of this but I vaguely remember it being posted here about them being at the site the evening before and being asked to leave.

I wonder how much weight the comments Misty mae during the ldt and voice stress analysis hold?
Misty IIRC said she thought she had seen four peole there in her dream. (although remember though that she also said she didn’t have any dreams that night and all this in the midst of the testing period.)

ROn: You know what? Joe said : “You know this would be the perfect MFin place to kill someone. You could just throw em right into the water and the gators would take care of the rest.”

Cobra: Yea,

Ron: You think that’s where my daughter’s at? Probably….

Cobra: Well, I’m tryin to get a team down here brother.

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At a loss for word’s here!

I agree CathyJo. It’s like a lit up flashing neon sign pointing —–> THIS WAY <——

it sure is Tuff,almost unbelievable!!!!!!

Did I hear right on NG? Misty offered Rons mom money to keep the kids that night?

If that is true, she knew there was going to be problems that evening at some point because she told Chelsea in the letter, that she knew Tommy was coming for the gun.

I don’t believe FH’s story about Misty hiding with her head under the covers.

I do believe what Chelsea said about loose pills lying around, but most pills are bitter and someones Hailey’s age you would think would spit it out, as soon as it went into her mouth. With an overdose you would think there would be vomit or something.

No tears. No sincere concern. Nada.
I had a hard time after hearing all that earlier. Unfreaking believable.

Misty hiding,what did i miss Random?

A.S?

now i am 99.99% leaning toward my original thought about m’s tatoo….like a satanistic symbol between her and ron! to stick together no matter what sorta thing!

Is GrandMa reading these blogs or someone feeding her info while someone writes letters to Misty and then Misty repeats them to GrandMa????? This was on another site. Weren’t the beds made and clothes in the dryer?

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“Said Misty told her Joe and Tommy were in another room with Haliegh.

Haliegh was screaming.

Misty in bedroom with covers over her head in fear. Doing nothing.

Heard the couch bouncing noises.”

I keep picturing in my mind the picture of Haleigh and Jr. where Jr. is standing right by her and both of them are leaning their little heads the same way. You could tell that Jr. Loved his Sissy.
Man I could seriously get on board with burying these idiots up to their necks, pouring honey all over them and let a bunch of fire ants loose on em about now.
The jig is up ya numbskulls so start talking!

…Just saying.

covered up my ass,

LOL CathyJo! 🙂

Someone had to tell gramma about the river –and if Tommy only told her to call the family then Misty must have told her because it certainly sounded like AS and TN were at the search site on Monday morning and LE chased them off.. AS admitted that gramma called her and told her.

I hate waiting for the forensic testing to be done. And since they have no body, what if they are inconclusive?

Tommy will do 3 years. Misty 25. Ron 25. Joe walks.

Who unlocked that back door?

Ohhhh i think i gotcha now Tuff,covered my a%$…somebody should,lol along with my mouth!

Some neighbor reported having heard a woman scream. They did say woman, not…child?

omg

and people wonder why LE could not solve this case?!?! These people are all evil, and drugged on top of that.

I am not sure that we will never hear what really happened but at this point I am also not sure I want to hear it. If Misty hid under the covers and did nothing, I hope they never let her see the light of day again. She had a cell phone in the bedroom w/her and didn’t call 911?? Not saying I believe this newest version…only IF… !

omg i just keep getting madder,this is rohhhhhh

pathetic as heck,
and yea Cath,now you couldn’t believe her if she said she pee’d this morning,ya know…..liars!!!!!!!!

If the neighbors heard a woman scream that could back up a claim by Misty that she was being threatened like she said in the letter.

Do you know what time a scream was heard?

She could have dialed 911 and said nothing just like someone mentioned earlier. LE would have come out to do a welfare check type of thing anyway!

It’s as bogus as the rest of it has been imvho.

I almost feel like i did 3 yrs ago,i finally got wits about me and broke it off with my fiancee and I swore then that no matter what it took,I’d stay away from him but i did love him,ya know but i got to where i recorded him screaming at me and stuff and hunny,everytime i even had a thought of him for a sec,I’d play that tape and end up even madder than before,lol but it worked!

So if all that new story version were true then at what point exactly did Cousin Joe threaten Misty with a knife?
Puhlease!

exactly Tuff,i will never believe that…unlesssssss they tied her ass up! and then i’d have to dig deep to find a heart in it!

Sorry all, but in those MH parks if a child was screaming in the middle of the night a lot of neighbors would have heard it. Those homes are not exactly soundproofed, imo.

LMBO Good thinking Tuff,exactly right!

I think these sudden phone calls from Misty and Tommy within fifteen minutes apart and other calls to her recently are a set up. Granny Hollar is falling for it not knowing they are setting up Joe jmo. Granny is definately reading and people telling her what to say and telling Misty what to tell her so she’ll keep spewing cuz they know she has a mouth on her.

The mention of the couch bouncing was only brought up again last week on NG’s show by a CALLER (probably a blogger) and now there’s the version from MISTY that she hid and the couch was bouncing? RIGHT~~~

Didn’t LE just recently ask TV personalities to back down with all the hype as it was jeopardizing the investigation?!

Yeah, free speech and all, but what has happened to the real issue….JUSTICE for HALEIGH????

For me Treece,because his cold emotion i guess,he is talking about a gator eating his daughter and is as cool as a cucumber and now im mad aging cuz the latest tale of mistys i reckon!an then haleighs name,halay or some kinda stuff,fit to be tied most over the couch an m covered up,now..lol i know somebody can explain exactly to a tee but it aint me,lol

right Cath!

CathyJo said,
in April 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 pm

I almost feel like i did 3 yrs ago,i finally got wits about me and broke it off with my fiancee and I swore then that no matter what it took,I’d stay away from him but i did love him,ya know but i got to where i recorded him screaming at me and stuff and hunny,everytime i even had a thought of him for a sec,I’d play that tape and end up even madder than before,lol but it worked!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

CathyJo that was great therapy to do to yourself and it worked. It helped you to keep your head and truth instead of react from your heart. Good move.

All liars, where are you getting this information from?

cathartic, thanks for explaining and that is for sure. It is like she has to add one more hurtful, tragic detail everytime she’s on TV. She has already changed things so much I don’t know why anyone is believing her.

yea,when she adds one fib to 1 true sentence then she’s unbelievable and she should know what she’s doing,theres enough untruths now!

Random Thoughts….LE should have Misty’s cell phone records, so they know if she was on the phone at 2:30 and with whom.

I bet we hear in the next couple days that Misty claims she was tied up with a rope….just because it was said here. JMO.

well, Treece, that’s the jist of first audio….check out the 2nd….

but i will say one thing now,since Hollys added the text…………i will betcha ron was drinking or half drunk,just sounds like i drunk guy,ya know they never shut up and keep getting louder!

“Jr…He’s gonna be with me till the day I die, even if he’s gotta go out with me like that. Daddy’s little boy. Just like Haleigh’s Daddy’s little girl.”

Threats to end their lives rather then be seperated from them….I knew it all along! TM was right !

titty feedin’ sheeesh

“debate” sheesh I’m tired.
bye

I couldn’t say it when Treece asked but ty Holly’s! Just like..omg its bizarre

and when you think about it remember the truancy,b/c she missed so much school?

I had a horrible thought when reading the transcript where R talks about Jr. being with him til he dies.

It’s awful, and I won’t post my thought. But some here might know what I think R meant.

i know,thats why i cant speak it either!

a drunk will tell you the truth in a heartbeat!!!!!!! I do know that!!!

Yes CathyJo…that was what he was saying…He’d kill them bnefore loosing them.

Did Haleigh ask to live with her mom? Was Ron afraid he’d loose custody of her and could play it off as an abduction? He clearly says he will kill his son rather then loose him. He SAYS IT!!!!

Now, he was BRAGGING!!! Just like Tim Miller said….but only this was to Cobra Waaayyy before TM came along. Here’s to those who dissed TM and claimed it was a lie!

I’m crying here.

HGM, that was what I thought he was saying.

imo thats what he was saying!

treece,whered ya go,lol

just another thought here. i listened to the voice stress test for Misty. Something about it seems very sincere to me. So i got to thinking about Grandma Hollar’s comment about Misty hiding under the sheet with Jr.

Could Misty have PTSD from childhood trauma? Could she have been traumatized by what she saw?

Some info. on PTSD = Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and memory loss:

Even relatively normal amounts of stress have been linked to poor memory and cognitive function, so can memory loss be s symptom of PTSD as well? The answer is obvious, but the explanation is not as simple as saying that forgetting traumatic memories is only a coping mechanism. It is important to note that memory loss associated with PTSD is not only limited to blocking off past traumatic experiences, but can also affect short term memory or the ability of the brain to store and recall new memories.

Studies suggest that the psychological effects of PTSD may in fact correspond to the actual physical damage to the brain as a result of trauma. Particularly affected by stress is the part of the brain called the hippocampus, which is responsible for organizing memories and making associations. Thus can memory loss be a symptom of PTSD. Fragmented and dissociative memory are some indications of the impairment, and experiencing flashbacks or nightmares may be related symptoms.

Brain scans using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) can illustrate the amount of physical damage that has been incurred in relation to PTSD. A number of Vietnam War veterans have been found to have an 8% reduction in the size of their right hippocampus, while no other differences were seen in other sections of the brain.

Damage to the hippocampus can get in the way of making new memories and overall cognitive function as well. Some of the latest research show that among the functions of the hippocampus is to build new nerve cells, also called neurons, which are responsible for transmitting brain impulses. Stress, especially PTSD, can damage this function. Respectively, a decline in the number of neurons results in poor memory function. Among the many concerns regarding the implications of the research is that those who have experienced trauma, especially in childhood, can be at a great disadvantage when it comes to learning.

OK I have listened to tape #4 for the 4th time and I honestly don’t hear that. I really can’t hear half of that tape and none of tape #1 so I guess that is why it wasn’t upsetting to me. I understand how yall are feeling if you heard Ron say he would kill Jr.
I feel like I am in the twilight zone right now so correct me if I am wrong but doesn’t Tim Miller say he does not believe Ron had anything to do with Haleigh being missing??

Thanks for the transcripts (again) HOLLYSGMOM, but may I ask how did you interpret Rons tone of voice.I can’t listen so I can read your transcripts and am wonderin if he seemed off as other posters have commented on. THANKS AGAIN!

Could Misty have PTSD from childhood trauma? Could she have been traumatized by what she saw?

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weren’t the beds made? All that talk about blanket and pee?

i don’t know Treece,tm? dunno if he believed him or got along or what!

but we know m and r said he made them leave town w/o their phones and all that??

If she was traumatized by something she saw that night, she could remember everything up to that point. When she says she woke up to find Haleigh missing that could have some truth to it.
Everything is not black and white in this life.

No Treece,for once i have to disagree with you,it’s not b/c you couldn’t hear it,it’s because you only see the good in everything,lol

maryd…

PTSD is entirely possible. I know about PTSD because I have that dx from traumatic events from childhood.

However, I have to say that I cannot let Misty slide on this because to me that MH looked staged. LE found no drugs–not even prescription drugs–in the home, from what I recall. Who doesn’t have at least some meds in their home?

The home was cleaned out before 911 was called. Even if Misty was so traumatized that she did not recall what happened to Haleigh, she was soon after lucid enough to clean up and stage the scene. She may have had help, but she was involved in the staging, imo. And that’s inexcusable. She should have called 911 immediately, the second she “woke up.” But, I don’t think she did. I think she went into CYA mode instead.

JMO.

maryd, no one is “throwing” tomatoes at you.

What is your opinion on why Misty is contacting the supposed estranged GrandMother and telling things? All different versions at that? I thought PTSDO victims have the same story?!?

right,I think it was stage too,and i also wonder now if ron didn’t place the brick there when he got home?

if your dtr is missing and your back door is open why would you not go out that door very first thing?

Hugs Treece,Gnite!!!!!!

My sister Loretta is just like ya,don’t see bad in even a horror story!lol

wow,ew you scared the devil outta me Oj!

Treece;

You’re more then welcome.

odd for daytime,usually those come in at night?

I have run the spectrum of theories on this case, but tonight something clicked with GM Hollars talk about her hiding under the sheets with Jr. Than I always felt the stress test seemed very sincere for the most part. I don’t know what happened but this to me is a possibility. And Cathy I have a sister named Loretta too. Just sayin.

WinterRose said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 8:16 pm On twitter everyone is saying Donna/boo211(twitter nic)/poco(topix nic)/higherhope(scared monkeys nic),from Florida wanted Flora’s phone number and gave her information.So,since there was new information tonight by Flora,again,what was she told to ask?The one thing I heard was about Misty wanting TN to babysit for her.How much is Flora getting online from bloggers?LE needs to interview her and find out what bloggers are giving her information and how much she is actually getting from Misty,since her stories keep changing.
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It’s true, she’s writing over at SM about Flo talking to her today and telling her that Hank and Lisa had called also.

So now we know why NannyFlo can’t keep her stories straight, DONNA SUE, HigherHope, Poco, Boo211, needs to BUTT OUT of it! She’s feeding Flo theories and Flo is going on national tv repeating everything this evil witch is telling her.

Unreal!! Absolutely unreal.

LE need to go talk to Donna Sue, like they don’t have enough to do.

I hope there are some serious law suits after this case is finally solved.

You watch, NannyFlo will have a different tale to tell tomorrow, courtesy of Donna Sue.

Ron was supposedly home for barely 12 minutes before LE arrived. I am not sure he could have cleaned out that home of all its contraband in that amount of time, and gotten it somewhere far enough away where it would not have been found early on by LE.

Unless it was found and we just never heard.

I will say there certainly is something radically wrong with Misty. Maybe if she goes to prison on the drug charges, and is there long enough, she can get psychiatric treatment. In her case, it might not help…but it sure wouldn’t hurt.

Really, I am convinced the true story of what happened will never be known. I think LE knows, but until they get corroboration enough for an indictment, WE the people will never know.

Well, let’s look at it this way….

If your PTSD trauma was about something that occurred but people don’t often talk about it, memories stay reserved, in back-ground.

However, if your trauma is constantly in the fore-front of your mind either through your own thoughts or other’s questions & talk about it, flashback often occur. Therein she would have re-lived at least part or in full the entire event FULLY. THat means emotionally, physically, like watching a movie.

TO me the public & LE scrutiny would cause her more memories, not less. BUt as always JMO

Maryd the beds were made and no one could look under any beds also liked they claimed. The matresses were on the floor. Did Misty make the beds before she called Joe and the police arrived????

Sorry, I was not talking to the blogger here named “Really.” I often start sentences that way. And just now noticed a person here using that nic LOL.

was lookin for something,hm sec

HGM…

My take from your transcript was that Ron was talking suicide. Cobra told him not to go doing anything, that he had kids to think about. That made me think he was thinking suicide, and taking Jr. with him. Ugh.

Yet even my latest theory doesn’t explain Ronalds behavior to me.

Tim Miller was pretty fed up with all the members of that family by the time he left, imo.

Yes, murder suicide rather then loose him…or take him with him when he goes type thing.

Wayanne Kruger says that ROn Sr would not allow Jr to go to couseling. I think it was due to him not wanting Jr to tell what he knew. Whether that was just drug dealing or much more, we may never know.

WHo were Ron’s witnesses that it didn’t happen? TN? GGMS? Exactly my point!

This case is eerily similar to a case that was brought up on another site. Drugs and guns and what-have-you, and kids in the home. Mother comes home from work (night shift) to find her 5-year-old daughter missing.

Search ensuse, Mom is there helping to search. She comments on how hot the day is and that she really should be sitting in an air-conditioned bar, because she would never have a better opportunity for free drinks. Also comments that everyone suspects her BF (he was babysitting when child disappeared) but no one suspects her because she was “at work.”

That mother suggested a place for LE to search for her daughter, and they did find the body there.

It’s been four years and case is unsolved. BF is in prison now on unrelated crime, but Mom is out and about, and still a druggie.

Thanks for all your work transcribing, HGM.

night is day
up is down

Dyann, I am not sure what Cobra’s reasons were for recording interviews, but he recorded everything, regardless of who he was speaking with. This was early in the investigation, when he was brought in to help find Haleigh. Cobra gave all information he got from interviews to LE at the time. For answers to all your questons on this issue, you would have to speak with Cobra.

I remember and need to find the phone call from Misty to Grandma she had written a letter to Chelsea I think blaming Joe and while on the phone in the background was Joe’s mom and they were drilling Misty she denied writing the letter and saying that.
Grandma was not happy with her in that phone call anyone remember this conversation?

Ron: For Three & 1/2 years now I’ve had custody of these kids by myself,
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Cobra: I know, brother. Cause maybe your girlfriend lost one. That’s the only thing that pops into my mind. Stick a screwdriver in there and pry on it, I guess, you know? I know one came up missing.That’s the only reason I know why.

Ron: UmmmHmmm (no emotion)

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Wow, my question didn’t post.
Thanks cathartic 😉

So, about the quote I just posted above. Anyone know what that was all about? Lost what?
Screwdriver into what?

I don’t care what direction their going in do a lie detector test on the guy, if he refuses then some thing is up. Let him get his own through his lawyer but also someone for the Police there. White boy Greg was given a test and he wasn’t even suspected of being around the home that night just that he was with Misty in the days prior to this happening. With in days probably hours of Haleigh gone missing Police knew who Ronald called that night. They new the van had been moved and that Joe and Tommy were around Haleigh on the day she went missing yet they do not test them? WTFlip is that?? They had Tommy in “knocking on walls” but they do not test him?WTFlip is wrong with their minds?? They screwed up bad, real bad. I would not believe this story unless I had proof due to the amount of pressure Misty is under. She might think it’s just easier to tell a story and get it over with. She may blame herself and feel guilty that she could not stop what was happening. Silence may have been brought on by several factors, fear of losing Ronald, what ever abuse she has gone through coming out, being turned on, saying she was afraid may not necessarily mean she was only physically afraid. There could be a number of things going on. Chealsea will find out soon enough if Misty and or Tommy called it’s not debatable the calls are all recorded.

Dyann…it’s a way to induce miscarriage. I believe that’s what was being said. But I will also hide behind it being JMO!

The whole bunch are indeed some very sick individuals. JMO again.

dpierce:
Have you looked on News Runner? There are alot of tapes on this case listed under Misty Croslin.

I think JO will be arrested. I don’t think it was a mere coincidence that on his last night there, Haleigh came up missing.

I don’t understand it either, Karon. He seems to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and to whomever he wants…and got away with it all. I won’t be surprised if he walks from the drug charges. Livid, but not surprised.

Cathartic:
They may have wanted to get him on something bigger, IDK. I suspect that may have been part of the problem, but I sure hated to see Jr. caught up in all of theat mess. I do believe the grandmothers were trying to keep him safe, but they could only do so much.

dpierce:
The way this case is moving, right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t an arrest tonight. For one thing, Gma Flo is getting them all talking and covering up for each other. The more they talk, the more there’s a possibilty of someone letting something important slip.

I know, Karon. It was hard to really question anything or point out any of the problems without it being called bashing. I am not a gossip and I don’t bash my neighbors, or family. Now, family bashes ME, but that’s their way, not mine. With my very first BNN post I was labeled a Ron-basher. And all I said was he should have known better than to have Misty as a babysitter. So, it’s hard to state your opinion here…but I do believe both GMSykes and TN turned a blind eye to how the children were living. And that’s just not OK, imo.

You all seem to be confusing a bad father and a killer. I believe Ron loves his children and he put them in danger by exposing them to his lifestyle and being lazy about getting Haleigh off to school is not good. Should he have had custody? No. Should their mom have had them? No. Living with her would have been basically the same environment. Unfortunately they should have gone to foster care until the parents were clean and had completed intense parenting classes. Should Ron be charged with child endangerment? You bet ya he should. However, I do not believe he murdered his daughter either accidently or on purpose. He’s just a poor looser who didn’t know how to be a good dad. I feel sorry for his loss because no one deserves to have their child murdered. Legally taken away, yes. Murdered, No. I pray that soon the person who murdered Haleigh, is brought to justice. Also, everyone who placed that child in danger should be charged.

Trusting a teenager to watch one’s children is not a crime nor even wrong, imo. I was 13 years old when I started babysitting for my neighbors. I am now 54, the mother of 5 and proud grandmmother of 7. I, too, have been following this case from the beginning and firmly believe that RC knows what happened to his daughter and, in fact, is responsible. Imo, something terrible happened before he went to work that night…lost his temper, gave her something to quiet her or told Misty to. Misty and Tommy know and possibly Joe. They all planned a cover up and then RC went to work. Why would he call Misty 90 times during those hours…to find out how things were going! Then if he was so anxious about Misty not answering her phone, why did he stop to get beer, cigarettes or snacks on the way home? The 911 call sounded so staged and RC’s reaction and responses were totally inappropriate for someone who’s child is missing. Misty is scared to death of Ronald. She knows if she talks, she might end up like Haleigh. So they all point the finger at cousin Joe…a likely suspect. How can he be a pedophile as everyone was saying? He’s only a year or so older than Misty and there are no records of him as a RSO. If he was “messing” with her when she was young, that means he was young, too. And who knows if whatever happened between them was consentual…raging hormones. I don’t buy it. Anyway, didn’t RC’s lawyer recently say that RC hopes that Misty was threatened or forced to keep quiet and that’s why she wouldn’t talk to him. I believe that was Ronald Cumming’s way of sending a subliminal message to the Croslins that they better keep quiet, still. All of this is my opinion and only that. None of the other theories make any sense. The fight over the gun…in one version, Misty and Chelsea found it, in another RC found it and cleaned it. C’mon…no one takes a child and kills her over that…even if they are the Cummings and Croslins we’re talking about! They are all guilty of something. I’m not convinced Haleigh was intentionally murdered. It may have been accidental, whether physically or drug-induced…no intent to kill her; but nonetheless, it happened. Paramedics should have been called immediately. Ok…so someone faces charges of child endangerment or manslaughter. This whole circus would have been done and over with and Haleigh would be laid to rest in peace.

HollysGmom said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 11:19 pm Yes CathyJo…that was what he was saying…He’d kill them bnefore loosing them.

Did Haleigh ask to live with her mom? Was Ron afraid he’d loose custody of her and could play it off as an abduction? He clearly says he will kill his son rather then loose him. He SAYS IT!!!!
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Why do you keep posting that over and over and over? That is YOUR interpretation of what he meant. When I listen I do not interpret it that way at all. Not even close. What he is saying is that Jr. is going to be with him until he dies, even if he has to be there when RC dies, and he knows it would be hard for Jr. to be around when he dies, but he wants him close always, no matter what.

He DOES NOT say anything about killing his children, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
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Yes, he was in jeopardy of loosing her due to school issues, MG was about to level sexual abuse allegation (allegedly). Now I’m not saying it’s true, sex abuse. Just that I’ve known those types before, the “IF I can’t have you…” type and they are always abusers. Ownership issues. THey BELONG to him. Not just that he’s their father and stuff….he’s their GOD.
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That is just a lie, he was not in jeopardy of losing custody of either of those children. They had a custody hearing, he won, they had a DCF investigation, he was cleared of all that. Stop telling lies.

Boat Ramp Construction
The prop wash can erode the pond bottom at the end of the ramp, resulting in sloughing or breaking of the slab. (some boat ramp construction info I found)

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I’ve been thinking…dangerous, I know…but, what if boat ramps sometimes de-materialize underneath. It’s not like erosion is a new concept. So there could be areas where there are, for example, space in between land and concrete, or holes in the concrete. The reason I started thinking of this is because of that sick feeling I got a while back when I visioned Haleigh in between land and something light colored. At first I thought of a tank, but now that we know they have been searching this boat ramp I am wondering about other possibilities. I do not believe in psychic abilities, but I did ask God to show me where she was. I do not feel I should ask God for something and then ignore it. What do you guys think, and please don’t say I’m crazy.

My daughters had bibs that said, “Daddy’s little girl”. I don’t think it’s creepy.

On another note…Hollars talked on NG last night about Haleigh screaming while JO apparently raped her. Misty was threatened so she got under a blanket with Jr. Now, Jr. saw a man in black, but he never said he heard his sissy screaming. I know CS does not want to talk to Jr. about Haleigh, because she does not think it would be good for him. If I were her, I would let Jr. talk to a child psychiatrist about what happened that night.

KAREN said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 am

That they would not in 14 months even cast a tiny glimmer of suspicsion at him? That Tommy or Misty would never in 14 months mention that maybe RC was involved? Instead they implicate each other (in Tommy’s case, implicate himself) and cousin Joe, but NOT RC? It makes no sense.

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I wouldn’t be so quick to say Tommy implicated himself? Gramma said Tommy told her Joe did it and 15 minutes later Misty called her and told her Joe did it and about the boat dock. Tommy’s atty said he did not confess and only told Gramma to call family members.

Perhaps LE went to Tommy AFTER gramma tipped them off *as to what Misty said* or they heard the phone conversation and Tommy took them to show them were he and Joe fished — where all the alligators were. There is nothing pointing to Tommy — *yet*

Where did you see it? I don’t see it. Probably a typo.

I don’t know what sickens me more….the latest Cobra/Ron tapes where Ron can talk about his child basically being eaten by alligators without a hint of emotion…..or the NG exchange where it was claimed that Joe threatened Misty so she and Jr. hid under the covers while Haleigh was raped by Joe and Tommy in the other room….Haleigh screaming and Misty hiding and not responding to the child’s cries. I literally threw up last night after listening to the tapes and watching NG. I had vowed not to watch but I couldn’t resist and I now regret my weakness.

I can only hope that the reason for Ron’s callousness in the above tapes is drug related…possibly numbed by cocaine or other drugs. It sickens and disgusts me the way he can talk about his child. While he’s always been subject to my endless rants on poor parenting, he has now reached new lows in my eyes.

But this latest story of Joe raping Haleigh has a ring of truth to it. All the pieces fit. It explains why Misty kept quiet….not out of fear of Joe but out of guilt for not helping Haleigh. It explains Tommy’s silence….either he took part in the rape or he didn’t stop Joe and so again, his guilt kept him quiet.

Ron humiliated Joe over the stolen gun and this was Joe’s retaliation when he couldn’t steal the second gun. It was a fit of anger. It explains the “couch bouncing”. It explains them having to get rid of Haleigh afterwards as she could tell on them. It explains why Misty has pointed at Joe in the past but her reluctance to tell the WHOLE truth about how she was there and did nothing to save this child. Afterall, she loved Ron and she knew this would devestate him and bring on his full wrath.

It is possible Haleigh was placed on a blanket on the couch and that blanket was disposed of with her and thus no dna evidence on the couch from the rape.

It is possible Joe strangled Haleigh after raping her and then he and Tommy disposed of her leaving Misty at home to stage the house with the door and the brick and to get her story straight. Tommy may have taken Misty to the dumping site at a later date and showed her where Haleigh was dumped and that is how she knows where Haleigh’s body is.

It would also explain all of Misty’s failed LDT’s…because she is NOT telling the whole truth out of the guilt of knowing she could have stopped Joe and saved Haleigh….but she didn’t. She knows she can point at Joe and he’ll deny it….so there is no fear in doing that….she knows he won’t say “Yeah, I did it but you did nothing to stop me”. So even with pointing the finger at Joe her secret is safe.

Tommy is stuck as well. He may or may not have taken part in the rape but he took part in the disposal. So once again he can’t tell the truth without implicating himself. He would have to explain why he either raped a child or did nothing to stop that rape. This explains their silence all this time.

Lindsey remained silent only suspecting Tommy’s involvement but not wanting to ruin their lives if he truly was not involved.

Chelsea and Timmy were not involved. That explains Chelseas diarrhea of the mouth in spewing info about the rest of the family.

It appears Ron has always suspected Joe but for the life of me I don’t know why he never went after him. I honestly don’t believe Ron is as tough has he proclaims….unless he’s beating up on women…then he’s real tough.

I believe Haleigh’s fate was worse than any of us imagined. Even with my suspicions the reality of her last moments on earth chill me and grieve me beyond words. These monsters need to pay. My heart aches for our angel and my blood boils over ALL the adults in Haleigh’s life that failed her. Her parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, neighbors, you name it. This gorgeous child COULD have been saved if just ONE of these people had stepped up and protected her.

I apologize for the long post and the lack of my normal humor but at the moment I can find nothing humorous as my heart is breaking. God’s Speed to LE in pulling this case together and providing the justice Haleigh deserves. God rest your little soul angel. You’ve touched all of us deeply and we will not rest until you can do likewise. The truth will be told, you will receive justice and Heaven is a better place with you in. I look forward to seeing you one day and giving you a hug that will last an eternity. RIP angel.

The van was at the Croslin house where Joe was — and it had been moved. If both Tommy and Joe were there why would they need to ‘prop’ the door open?

One person would have to prop it open — or if all three were involved why ‘prop’ the door to ‘stage it’ – for what reason? Just sayin

JB

Then why didn’t Jr. say he heard his sister screaming? All he said was he saw a man in black. I noticed Mrs. Hollars is a lot like MC. Who knows if she’s telling the truth either.

pezzu said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 8:55 am KAREN said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 am

That they would not in 14 months even cast a tiny glimmer of suspicsion at him? That Tommy or Misty would never in 14 months mention that maybe RC was involved? Instead they implicate each other (in Tommy’s case, implicate himself) and cousin Joe, but NOT RC? It makes no sense.

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I wouldn’t be so quick to say Tommy implicated himself? Gramma said Tommy told her Joe did it and 15 minutes later Misty called her and told her Joe did it and about the boat dock. Tommy’s atty said he did not confess and only told Gramma to call family members.

Perhaps LE went to Tommy AFTER gramma tipped them off *as to what Misty said* or they heard the phone conversation and Tommy took them to show them were he and Joe fished — where all the alligators were. There is nothing pointing to Tommy — *yet*
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Tommy placed himself at the home that night when he was busted the time before this on drugs. HE implicated himself, he placed himself there, that night.

Did anyone pick up AS saying that after Gma Hollers called her that she and TN went down to that area and searched the woods all afternoon but did not find anything? It is in the transcripts from last nights show on NG. I went to read it to make sure that is what I heard. Question is did they go down there before LE blocked off that site to search? AS did not mention LE being there at the time they were. Is this where LE is asking residents in that area about a 1990s chevy gray van being in that area recently?HMMMMM
AS also states that after she brought the laundry over they put shirts on the children. These kids were out on the porch eating in 50 degree weather with no shirts!! That is what was said by AS.
As far as the rape scenario that Gma Holler described last night she said Misty told her this. Holler did not say this came from the jail house call. I am thinking Misty has been telling Gma Holler stories of that night before now and she is telling everything Misty or other family members like Lisa Croslin may have told her. The only thing she says that came from the jail was that Joe killed Haleigh and Misty told her about T and J tying up haleigh with the yellow rope and tying it to a cinder block and putting the child in the river.
Holler called out Chelsea on being the one who told her to tell LE the specific location to search. Chelsea said she did not give a specific location. Just search 309. I believe Gma Hollers on that. I do not believe the rape story.
These tapes of Rons make me feel really sick. Tim Miller has never said what he believes in Rons participation. He wanted to protect Misty. He took Ron very serious.

In response to Karen Said:

I receive my information from the PCSD web site and from numerous web sites of national news agencies showing all the big fat lies that Ron and Misty have told since that poor little girl disappeared in the middle of the night from her bed. Too many discrepancies in their stories. Check it out for yourself.

This is a Blog and I am expressing my opinion by what I consider to be evidence that is interpreted by me as factual and true.

It is my opinion as is my right as is your opinion is your right.

Had HaLeigh been in the custody of her mother, Crystal, where she should have been, we wouldn’t be talking about this. Had Ron not been so vindictive and abusive, those children would have been with their mother. Ron sees his children as property. Listen to his own words. He is a very misguided individual. No moral character at all. Thank you God that Jr is with Crystal now and always will be.

stillucy said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 am In response to Karen Said:

I receive my information from the PCSD web site and from numerous web sites of national news agencies showing all the big fat lies that Ron and Misty have told since that poor little girl disappeared in the middle of the night from her bed. Too many discrepancies in their stories. Check it out for yourself.

This is a Blog and I am expressing my opinion by what I consider to be evidence that is interpreted by me as factual and true.

It is my opinion as is my right as is your opinion is your right.

Had HaLeigh been in the custody of her mother, Crystal, where she should have been, we wouldn’t be talking about this. Had Ron not been so vindictive and abusive, those children would have been with their mother. Ron sees his children as property. Listen to his own words. He is a very misguided individual. No moral character at all. Thank you God that Jr is with Crystal now and always will be.
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No, there is NO WHERE on the PCSO website that says one thing about RC lying. Post the link. POst the link the the national news agencies that show RC lying about something. Hell, just post one.

And those babies would have been with CS if she was a Mother instead of a drug addict. RC got custody and kept custody, so obviously SHE had some severe problems that she couldn’t get custody. The TRUTH is she didn’t want custody.

Karen — Tommy said he went to the home and Misty was not there — is that what you mean by ‘implicating himself’? Didn’t someone come forward and swear Misty was with them from 7-9 on that night? Didn’t LE at least imply they didn’t believe Misty was home? And when pressed Tommy later admits she wasn’t home?

So GmaSykes *implicated herself* as it seems she says she was there at 7:30 — so she was the last one to see Haleigh by that timeline?

Karen…I watched the show AND read the transcripts….it says she brought the laundry, the kids were on the porch with Misty eating supper, Misty helped carry laundry in, they put SHIRTS ON THE KIDS then they went back to eating their supper and she left. IT DOES SAY THAT! Not sure why they’d be eating outside in 50 degree temps anyway….especially WITHOUT shirts which is what this comment indicates

THANK YOU! JB. I could not believe it when I heard it last night! I had to read the transcripts to make sure what I had heard. I about fell off my rocking chair!!!!

I thought that the statements that Jr allegedly stated about the “Man in Black” and “the couch bouncing” were discounted as something he might have overheard. Crystal and Marie put no stock in these statements and I read this on Ocala where they have a timeline of events. Why, time and again, are these statements stated as FACT when Crystal & Marie both believe Jr might have overheard it from somewhere else?

JB what did you make of the statement that Chelsea said what if there were loose pills laying around and Halieh OD? You hear AS say ” no” and Chelsea continues and says She knew for a fact there was!!!

looking for Justice said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 am JB what did you make of the statement that Chelsea said what if there were loose pills laying around and Halieh OD? You hear AS say ” no” and Chelsea continues and says She knew for a fact there was!!!
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Yeah, so if that’s true why did she let her kids go over there?

Pill heads do not just leave their drugs laying around the house for them to get lost or stolen. Even Tommy had his bagged up when he was popped the last time at the bus stop.

WthACherryonTop, The police, or anyone else, cannot require anyone to take a poly/LDT. It is considered a violation of 5th amendment rights.

Kate said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 9:59 am robin, the other item about the “a man in black took my sissy,” is that he actually said, “a WOMAN took my sissy.”
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Do you have a link to this? I have been following for 14 months and I have never heard this version of what Jr. said.

Karen, it is implied they did not have shirts on because they got back in their chairs and finished eating dinner. Plus if you really think about it GSykes should have been able to tell LE what shirt Haleigh had on when she left that house if it was her night shirt that she was going to go to bed in. There would be no problem with what she was wearing the night she disappeared.JMO

Robin…no one is stating the couch or man in black as fact. We’re taking all the pieces we’ve heard and trying to come up with a theory that fits. We get very few facts as obviously LE is letting very little info out….so all we have to base our theories on is what we hear….which in the case of this bunch, changes daily. No one stated “IT IS A FACT THE COUCH WAS BOUNCING”….I believe I stated it would fit with the things we’ve heard and a theory starts making sense, once again based on the things we’ve heard through the grapevine.

looking for Justice said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 am Karen, it is implied they did not have shirts on because they got back in their chairs and finished eating dinner. Plus if you really think about it GSykes should have been able to tell LE what shirt Haleigh had on when she left that house if it was her night shirt that she was going to go to bed in. There would be no problem with what she was wearing the night she disappeared.JMO
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Implied is the KEY word there. That is what you interpreted it to mean, when actually it means nothing of the sort. And maybe she did tell them what she wearing when she saw her last. Who said she didn’t? What if Haleigh wanted to wear something different to bed and changed the shirt herself? What if she spilled Kool Aid on the shirt and it was changed?
The bottom line is, all she said was Misty put on their shirts. Period. She di not say they didn’t have shirts on. And furthermore who cares?! It has nothing to do w/ what happened to Haleigh, I don’t think anyone took her because they wanted her Hannah Montana shirt. It’s a moot point.

looking for Justice said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:06 am Karen I guess you need to call up Chelsea and ask her why she allowed her children there at that home if that were to be the case. She is the one who said it!
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ummm, it is a rhetorical question. It doesn’t really require an answer.

WOW Kate I hadn’t heard that before! I wonder if there were desriptions given of the woman that Jr believes he saw if that were the case?
What did the woman look like or was she wearing something that he could remember.
Was Haleigh awake or sleeping when she was taken etc…

I know that little baby might be repeating something he heard or maybe he even saw it in a dream but there was a little boy once who told people his Mommy was in the rug and he was right.

Another thing is if Jr. is recalling the bouncing couch sounds and seeing a woman taking Haleigh then couldn’t he also possibly recall where Misty was then also?
My Children always come looking for either me (usually me) or my Husband, always if they hear a noise or think there is a monster in their closet.
(I’m sure someone will pick this one apart but um, I eat monsters, they taste like cookies.)

You say girlS, who are all these girlS? Besides Misty there has been no one else “young”.
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R U serious? You know who they are.

I wonder if Timmy has taken a LDT yet?

JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 am
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Thank you JB!!!!!!!

Does anyone recall if Chelsea and Timmy have taken LDT’s yet?
tia

Ronald said on NG in the very beginning that he does date young girls. He likes young girls.

looking for Justice said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:25 am Ronald said on NG in the very beginning that he does date young girls. He likes young girls.
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Yep, he did. Young girls are easier to control. Women his own age wouldn’t allow themselves to be used and controlled. Another manipulator.

stillucy that seems pretty indicative that LE did not ask Joe to take a ldt.
All by itself it speaks volumes to me.

Looking 4 Justice,

Even the Attorney’s are lying in this case.lol

JB

You are Madder than a bobcat caught in a piss fire. lol

ky mom so are you saying that Joe was asked to take a ldt and that his atty is possibly lying about that?

KYMOM – LOL…well, DANG! Enough already. Give it a rest. We’re just trying to discuss the case, share info, and shouldn’t have to defend our very right to breath when Karen shows up. Sheesh!

Still awaiting her response…and I’m READY for it. The gloves are off and no holds are barred. I think I just found my outlet for all the anger and frustration I have about this case. Round 1…DING….bring it on! 😀

The last I heard and of course none of this is gospel as we aren’t privy to the facts, but…

Ron took LDT…passed
Timmy took LDT…failed
Tommy took LDT…failed
Misty took LDTS….failed
Joe has not taken one

If anyone has other info contrary to this, please advise.

Looking for Justice
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947

She has all the nancy grace video’s with commercials cut out…

Tuff

No I was referring to L4J saying that Tommy attorney said he passed a LD test. Because it had been reported that Tommy failed his LD test. So someone is lying..

Law Enforcement Officials have never confirmed the outcome of any of the polygraph tests. Ron and Misty have both responded that they “passed”. That is not a legitimate statement. You either show deception or no deception. It’s not a pass/fail test.
Tim Miller released the outcome of the tests that Misty took with his investigators and they were all verified as showing deception.
Technically, Ron has never been excluded as an interested party as have none of the Croslin bunch.
I look at things from a more technical view.
I think a tougher look or presence would’ve have been made toward Joe Overstreet by now if warranted.
There is allot of info that PCSD is keeping close because of all the parties and rumors involved.
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KIR…I’ve never heard anyone other than Ron confirmed he passed BUT I do believe LE has stated that Ron and Crystal have been cleared….Of course at one point Ron said Misty passed hers and he didn’t know anything about her failing (made that statement on NG) even after the rest of the world knew she failed.

Makes perfect sense stillucy. Thanks for your input.

JB said,
in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:43 am

It could be possible that Timmy and even Tommy failed tests because they KNEW what happened…not necessarily that they were there or involved….But I’m still thinking Tommy was involved….that could change…it has many times.
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That’s what I’ve been thinking is that the Croslins all know what happened but some of them didn’t take part in doing whatever to Haleigh they just know what happened . Timmy is closer to Misty than Tommy is………..

I hope the story about her jr. putting their heads under the cover is not true. If it is she is one sick —–!!!!!

Apparently there was possibly another ldt given to Misty recently and that she failed that one too?
Misty needs to quit lying and come clean once and for all. LE has no intentions on letting this case just go away.

I completely understand JB. Yesterday I was so tore up I had to back off and try to erase what I heard in those tapes from my day.
((((((( HUGS ))))))).

KIR – I don’t know anything about this silver vehicle. I don’t know what they are looking for or why. Wish I did.

All of the interviews from the very beginning are on youtube. Greta from Fox is great. They pause to show where the discrepancies are. It will refresh memories. Ron was the director and Misty was scared and appears to be stoned out of her mind.
I have never understood the love relationship that Nancy Grace has for Ron and the total disrespect that she shows for Crystal. I thought that Nancy was for the victim, HaLeigh. I see Crystal as a victim here too. As I have researched the custody situation and court hearings, Ron and his attorney manipulated the whole thing. Was Crystal totally innocent, no. But, neither was Ron. The kids should have been with their mother and been supervised by DCF. HaLeigh would still be here today. That situation down there was a time bomb.
What was the purpose of Ron placing the dead decapitated rat in Tommy’s mail box? That was witnessed by neighbors. Did anyone ever hear about the reasoning behind that?

For some reason (instinct only – not fact based), I have never believed GGma Sykes saw Haliegh that night or the AC guy.

This has gotten so emotional for everyone – I feel bad for Karen. She really feels strongly that Ron is innocent. I wonder if she realizes her comments are offensive. I am glad JB expressed her feelings – Karen needed to understand that people can only take so much.

Thanks to HollyGmom for transcribing again! I am glad I missed the NG show.

Please note, this is not the Karen that is being hateful and snippy.

Have any of you read the Pat Brown articles about RC and his attorney on The Daily Profiler? If you haven’t, the articles are really good. She talks about how RC’s attorney and his mother is spinning all these things RC has done to make him look like he was doing all of it to try to find Haleigh.

I do read Pat Brown. I enjoy her expertise. Nancy Grace treats her bad too. That’s why I visit her blog. It’s interesting.

I have never believed Ggma Sykes’ story, either. It was cold that night and the children wouldn’t have been sitting outside after dark, eating in the cold. I think she came by earlier in the afternoon. From what Misty said, she cooked for the kids and fed them earlier than 7:00p.m. I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.

KarOn..LOL…believe me…we can SO tell the diff between you and KarEn! LOL

Okay, you guys have peaked my curiosity…so why would Gmom S lie about being there and taking the clothes? If she was there when she said then Tommy would have just left shortly before she got there. He said he smoked a joint with Misty between 6 and 7. I wonder if LE found the stacks of clothes she brought over. Not sure Misty would bother to put them up….but I’m surprised Gmom S didn’t notice Misty was high when she was there….that or she didn’t really care….not like she hadn’t seen someone high before…they’re ALL high on something.

IIRC prior to giving that statement BOTH Misty and RON were trying to give an alibi that kept them both away from the area at the time the (gag) headless rat was placed in the mailbox so how was that supposed to work out exactly?

I don’t buy it. It leads to the possibility again that Misty would simply lie for Ron.

Misty had to have seen the NG show where Ron and Teresa Neves clearly states to NG that they believe that Misty knows more but yet there was no problem with the two of them hooking back up all secretively.
Ron also alerted Misty about Donna Brock too.

I thought he wanted his Daughter found yet he is willing to sabotage any chances of that happening? Refused to take LP up on the $$$ offer. That money could have gone towards the reward money if nothing else but Ron told him no thanks?
No thanks?????????

Maybe I’ve read too many whodunits – watched too much Law and Order and Forensic Files – but it seems there are so many people not being truthful.

*What if* Ron smacked her around before he went to work, maybe put a big goose egg on her or something. Maybe that is why Misty was begging TN to come get them cause she didn’t want to be there with her by herself, could be why she thought Haleigh was still wearing the pink shirt — cause AS had changed it…

Maybe TN sent gmaSykes over there to pick them up and Misty split.

They figure Haliegh is going to be ok — but she wasn’t — so now they are all protecting Ron — and just maybe she is buried somewhere else and the entire River scene is nothing more that a red herring to throw LE off — maybe that is why it was so easy for Ron to suggest his little baby was thrown to the alligators? Just thinkin

Dang, the more we talk about this the more confused I get. Does ANYONE in this bunch tell the truth? I mean, some of the simplist facts such as who picked Haleigh up are a twisted me of he said she said. People lying about stupid crap that makes it next to impossible for LE to piece this all together.

You know, if Misty and Tommy were wanting to set Joe up…they could have thrown the cinder blocks and rope in the river at any time during the last 14 months. We need Sherlock Holmes dagnabit!

That is such a bunch of crap. Ron weaves more of a tale than the Croslin’s all put together. I find it so hard to believe that Ron actually thinks he is that smart. Why did Tim Miller leave? What was Tim’s public statement as to why they pulled out? Just curious.
I still believe that the PCSD know more details about who, what, when, and where, and are letting all the players point their fingers and hang themselves. And in the end Ron will be sitting at the defense table too.
Ron’s charges and bail on these last drug offenses are out there. He was never involved in sting. No way.
Justice will come for little HaLeigh.

pezzu – we’re on the same track. They could have thrown the stuff in the river to frame Joe. The little comments about the rope missing from the van, Misty pointing at Joe off and on over the last 14 months. She sometimes pointed to others (like Crystal and clan) but always came back to Joe. Haleigh COULD be somewhere else and the “cinder brickels” or “brickel blocks” lol…were placed in the river….to stage a cover-up…and to frame Joe. Maybe that is why Ron kept trying to get Cobra to go there, making comments about Joe…they were trying to set him up…but no one took the bait. This is so twisted!

Tuff Stuff:

RC ran off the Anthony’s and LP. I think he trusted Cobra and TM for awhile but that backfired on him. RC wants people around him that he can intimidate and keep quiet.

lfj I cannot find the article that was from a news source out of Florida but it clearly gave another date as to when Annettes Sykes had dropped off the clothes. I had emailed the author af that article to find out if there were some mistake on the day that it had listed but I got no response and the article did not change after that either.
I’m not sure what I did to the link I had for that article. I might have accidently erased it but I am not sure because I am also using a different computer since then as I was having issues with the other one.

Everybody was so out of control around Haleigh, and there is no telling what happened. She may have stepped in the way of a violent fight and got hurt. She may have gotten some drugs and died. MC was exausted and Haleigh was well known to be a problem at bedtime, and MC may have snapped. TC or JO could have taken her and killed her. They were all so strung out and out of it. The child was in the way.

One thing that really stuck with me was when MC told the uc during that drug bust that she spent her 17th birthday with Haleigh, and Haleigh had spoiled the whole night. How could you be so cold about a missing, probably, dead child? To me, that was when I really got a look at the real MC.

I can not come to the conclusion that all Croslins, Cummings, and Sheffields are responsible, even though some have given me pause at certain times. The SOs being cleared early on has me thinking that maybe not enough time or resources were used on these likely suspects. Someone taking one child–a beautiful girl–over another who would have been easier to handle and silence. Sounds like an SO modus of operandi to me. JMO

pezzu….if you want to make a list, make one of all the lies and things we don’t know…now THAT would be a list! LOL

Every time I think I’ve got this mess figured out someone throws a monkey wrench into my theory. I PRAY LE is having an easier time unraveling this convoluded twisted fairy tale of half-truths, mispoken statements and full blown lies. ARRRGGGHHHH

JB said,
in April 23rd, 2010 at 12:20 pm

lfj – LOL – this case is enough to make SOMETHING set in but I’m not sure it’s alhzeimers! LMAO

SO, if Haleigh was dead before 7:00…maybe Ron was ringing Misty’s phone off the hook to see if she had taken care of getting rid of the body. Ron was smart enough to give himself an alibi by being at work. But what was in it for Tommy or ANYONE for that matter to help her dispose of the body…especially if RON killed Haleigh. They hated Ron….why would THEY cover for him? Did Tommy hate Joe? Would he have wanted to set Joe up for this to cover for Ron?

OH, my aching head! This is too tangled for my wee brain. SO many possibilities but none of them explain all the flippin’ lies these people have told or the extent of their involvement. So many people would have to keep their mouths shut to be able to pull this off IMO. I don’t get it.
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Tommy would cover for no one unless their last name was Croslin, so he’s covering for himself.. Haleigh was not dead before 7, LE’s time line starts after that time.

Robin…SOMETHING in that house told LE this was an inside job. Heck, even Ron’s statements say he thought it was Joe. I truly don’t believe this was stranger abduction. It is STRANGE, that much is for sure…but no RSO snuck in and took Haleigh…that much I feel confident in. LE didn’t get that part wrong IMVHO. And all the lies and back-peddaling and CYA antics proves that.

I honestly don’t know how Cobra and TJ stuck it out as long as they did. We’re all going to need medical assistance before this thing is over. DANG!

KeepItReal said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:46 am JB, did anyone other than Ron say he passed his LDT? I know I have heard him on videos say he passed, but did LE confirm? Can’t remember
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JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 am KIR – I don’t know anything about this silver vehicle. I don’t know what they are looking for or why. Wish I did.
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KIR, Interesting piece of the investigation LE revealed to the public and exactly at the same time they where conducting the search at the end of Shell Harbor and the door to door chat with the neighbors. Funny how that seems to be ignored.
Oh well, I have taken notice of many things that are being ignored and the effects are definatly interfering with LE’s investigation.
Keeping the focus on one thing/person allows you to miss what else is going on and with everyone else.
Alot of people can see that Misty was not involved in a cover-up w/ family, because , they where the first she implicated. No OD that would need a cover-up and to implicate Joe if she threw Tommy under the bus as well. IMO
No Car and phone not used after 8:30 till min. before Ron arrived home will give anyone pause and to ask some more questions.
Have any of you googled the places of intrest(Cresent City,Green Lane,Shell Harbor and looked at the route allegedly he took) or taken notice that Joe was not a local and possible was not familiar with the area at night. I also would suggets Joe would of not made the mistake of missing that right turn on to Tyler(the only exit out) after staying with TC the week before.
IT is my opionion that nothing adds up to substantiate the current theories that involve Misty, Tommy and Joe.
IMO LE have other P’sOI in mind and the mention of people are talking and that those interviews have been over weeks indicates there is alot going on behind the sceance that we are not aware of and we do not know who all is involved in finally talking.

JB you are 100% correct!! This is one twisted case. All of them cannot keep their story straight! ( croslin and cummings)It is not just Misty!! She has the info that LE wants. She best give it up. If Misty thinks she and Ron will still be together in the future she is living in a fairy tale world.

KIR sorry I was answering your very good question and thought I cut n pasted the correct post.
Here is the correct post I ment to answer.
KeepItReal said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 10:48 am Can anyone tell me about the silver vehicle mentioned in the presser during the river search? Do any of the players in this case have a silver vehicle? TIA

I just HAD to write immediately after reading JB’s account (9:04am) about how Haleigh’s demise might have come about.

I agree with JB that Grandma Flora’s latest theory about Joe raping Haleigh, Misty running into another room and jumping under the bedcovers with Jr., REALLY struck a nerve within me. I actually gasped when Grandma said that. I agree with JB’s thoughts that Misty’s partial truthfulness and guilty feelings (not that WE’D ever know she had them)affected her LDT because she didn’t rescue Haleigh. As a survivor of family molestations (Tommy and Joe allegedly) and a brutal rape, Misty may have had another Post Traumatic Stress Disorder moment/reaction if that’s what happened. As a survivor of both myself, I think she may have even thought “At least I can save JUNIOR;” as opposed to everyone else thinking WHY DIDN’T SHE HELP HALEIGH? But remember, if Joe had a knife and Tommy was participating also, the psychological ramifications of WHAT WAS GOING ON in her surroundings could have caused her to freeze, go numb, and fall down that slippery slope of self denial big time. (Did that happen? Really and truly? Am I dreaming this? It’s a nightmare; it just can’t be true)

The brain shuts down and protects you when the heart cannot bear to know what you already know to be so.

It was a lightbulb moment for me, but because it came from Flora, it will take time before we can find out if this scenario is a most likely explanation as to what happened.

Still doesn’t explain Ronald’s reactions, though, does it?

Karon I think there are going to be quite a few arrest in this case.
Ron said on NG Haleigh was on no meds. She only had to do her puffer inhaler twice a day.

Texasmom…I don’t think we can rule anything out at this point, INCLUDING Ron being involved. We don’t have the info and evidence LE has. The cinder blocks and rope in the river could have been staged to frame Joe. Tommy could have called Joe and had him come over and the only thing Joe did was drive. We just don’t know. Could Tommy have been molesting Haleigh. Dang, at this point, I think ANYTHING is possible. But nothing can be ruled out because the stories just keep getting more and more twisted and without the evidence LE has, we’re all just peeing into the wind (by the way, could you guys not stand so close…someone peed on my shoe). LOL

pezzu – well, in one of my MANY theories that I posted earlier I explained why I think Misty could point the finger at Joe. If Tommy and Joe came over to steal the gun while Misty and the kids were sleeping, they could have bricked the door as that is Tommy’s MO for his burglaries. They didn’t find the gun, Joe gets angry, he’s already mad at Ron for humiliating him about the other stolen gun….He grabs Haleigh, begins molesting/raping her….Misty tries to step in but is threatened….Either Tommy joins in or is threatened and steps outside…..Perhaps Joe covers Haleigh’s face with a pillow or blanket to quiet her screams and sufficates her. Misty hides in the other room with Jr. Joe and Tommy dispose of the body. Misty won’t tell because she did nothing to stop the attack on Haleigh and she knows Ron will kill her and she’ll lose him. She doesn’t have a problem with pointing the finger at Joe because he DID do it but she knows he’ll deny it obviously and he won’t confess and tell LE that Misty was there and did nothing to stop the attack so even if she does point at Joe, her secret is safe. Tommy won’t talk because he helped dispose of the body and like Misty did nothing to stop the attack…perhaps because he hated Ron too. Joe won’t talk because, well, he killed her. So, with this theory everyone’s silence is explained. Even some of Jr’s comments about a bouncing couch, men in black, etc., can be explained with this theory.

BUT, it doesn’t explain Ron’s truly outrageous and contrary actions and words or those of other family members. It also doesn’t explain why LE hasn’t arrested Joe or gotten him to take a LDT…even allowing him to remain out of state.

So, I CAN find theories to explain a lot of things…just can’t find one that explains everything. Like why LE is looking for a silver vehicle…how Ron can talk about alligators eating his child without skipping a beat, the headless rat, why Ron has stuck so close to Misty, why he hasn’t killed Joe, etc.

vaquera said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 12:32 pm Tommy killed Haleigh for whatever reason and I do believe he had been molesting her.
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Vaquera do you really believe that?
Lidsy seems pretty confident that Tommy was in bed with her at 10:30.

Texas – Lindsey isn’t so confident anymore that Tommy was beside her. It has been said she even threatened to divorce him if he didn’t come clean….she welcomed LE to search her home where they removed more rope.

As far as the SO theory goes I will say this–As long as LE thinks these people are suspects, the longer the SO has to cover his tracks. JMO

It is a newer model Silver Plymouth Van LE was/is looking for. http://cdn.getauto.com/photos/4/160244/1c/2P4GP2535YR510558-1c.jpg
This is the Croslin van.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/lc61AO1APc4/0.jpg

Similarities in that case could fit this one only there was no cover up. jmo

Haleigh attended school that day and was seen riding her bike and playing after Ron left for work. GGMS did see HaLeigh well enough to run out to her car at around 7:30. That case is not this case and I find the continued implication that Ron hurt/killed HaLeigh more and more offensive. Find some real evidence to support the theory Ron is involved. Hearsay does far more damage than good.
If you want to help scoure the old video footage and see if you can help find a silver van that LE is looking for. Let me know if you need any help finding the videos.

Texasmommy, Where is the bulletin about the van or is it from a news report that could have got it wrong? Seems this was just what people in the area were saying and not PCSD.jmo
The van was a silver blue that was owned by Lindsy. You can see it on video. jmo

The silver van was brought up on the NG show since you are so against the national enquire show of hers I dont understand why you believe that van story? I dont base any of my theories on anything fro m that show. And you are entitled to your opinion too. I just take what people have said and how they said it into account. And weigh whether I find them truthful at the time. And some have changed their stories and support recently. jmo

While I do think he has physically disciplined them, I do NOT believe Ron beat HaLeigh to death.

WOW – just got through reading “The Daily Profiler” blog suggested by another blogger earlier today. IMPRESSIVE.

But Tex…you won’t want to read it….it is very anti-Ron….very rational, very well thought out, very intelligent, has some typos but otherwise well written…and VERY thought provoking. Her theories definitely give you pause and make you go hmmmmmmmm…..and none of the articles point the finger at Crystal so I KNOW you won’t like them.

texasmommy – i was under the impression that the newere model plymouth van was being sought for a different case not related to HaLeigh’s?

Tex….Tobias was asking where you found the statement by LE for the van and you come back with a statement about standing toe to toe with her on such matters while a family grieves…HUH?

Well, Crystal is grieving too but that didn’t stop you from ranting about how she needs to return Haleigh, confess, bring Haleigh back, blah blah blah. Tobias asked a question….Come down off your high horse…we’re all in this together and she was just asking a question for Pete’s sake…not going “toe to toe” with you. Sheesh

pezzu

Hey,doesn’t the Caylee board seem forever ago,poor beautiful little child.I don’t doubt Misty and Tommy talked to Granny,they also knew LE was listening.Interesting Misty calls 15 min after Tommy.Misty had already set up the scenario in a letter to Chelsea.Sheriff Hardy didn’t make this a homicide case for nothing and said there were several persons of interest.But,Granny should have told LE what she was told,which LE already knew,Chelsea had called them.They also tape all calls.And she should have kept her mouth shut,so it wouldn’t mess up an investigation and cause a Jerry Springer media frenzy.

Kayla,her granddaughter said Nanny wanted on tv in this case since the beginning and she got her chance.Kayla also said people were sending Nanny money.She said on NG she’s not received a penny,maybe NG should interview Kayla and find out some truth.Now,I’m wondering if she was keeping in phone contact to have an opportunity to get her face on tv.

On twitter when everyone was hearing Donna/boo called Flora and wanting her to ask that question about Misty wanting TN to babysit,we were hearing this before NG even came on yesterday.Sure enough Flo asked GGM Sykes the exact question and NG asked her where she heard it,she said Misty told her. UM HM,so makes you wonder what other bloggers had called her and gave her info,since her stories kept changing and growing more and more horrific.

One good thing came out of that show is Chelsea showing her true colors. And Timmy again remaining in the background. Chelsea let everyone on TV think she knew pills were laying all over the MH and she didnt call Child welfare.Not to smart sweetie.lol jmo

Most of us know Misty has lied from the beg,esp Moms can read kids lieing by thier face and eyes in a heartbeat.But,we want the truth,we don’t want made up horrific stories so people can get thier 5 minutes a day on National tv.It’s horrible enough to even think about what happened to HaLeigh,without hearing lies every day from someone who wants attention,so pitiful and nasty.And I really question if this is being done to cause a mistrial later,if the purpose is to taint a jury pool in a trial.She might get her face up there in a trial,but 95% of the public is disgusted.

Tobias…I know, I haven’t seen anything credible about the van either. I would LOVE for someone, anyone, to point me to a bulletin from police, an article, SOMETHING (other than AH or NG) saying LE is looking for this van. I would think if they TRULY were looking for this van it would be shouted from the roof tops and the media would be all over it. I would think SIMON would have posted the press release from LE like he always does. But I haven’t heard a peep about it other than unreliable sources. I’m looking for proof. How the heck would anyone know what to look for without LE publicizing it?

Tex – Oh, how I DO try to ignore you but your comments to Tobias were so out there and over the top it is pathetic. She simply asked for the article about the van…you know, the one where you are getting your FACTS and you go on some tirade about going toe to toe while the family is grieving. Give me a break.

Now, going back to ignore mode…until you push my buttons again. LMAO

Maybe the PCSD brought all of the family together to observe them not necessarily to share too much information but to see where everyones’ minds were because of all of the recent activities. I don’t believe that LE actually told them to make funeral arrangements. I think they may have inferred they were moving ahead in the investigation with new evidence and now have classified it as a homicide. These folks are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
The Cummings’ and the Croslins’ are like the modern day McCoys’ and Hatfields’. I think Misty will do anything to protect Ron and I think all of the Croslins’ will do anything to protect their baby girl, Misty. Misty mother is constantly trying to tell her about all the crap that Ron is saying and doing and Misty changes the subject if, you listen to the jail tapes.Misty doesn’t want to hear anything negative about Ron, she loves him.
Just my opinion

Well it didnt post but you can read the story on the gainsville gazette site.jmo

Tobias…it isn’t offensive.

Wow, LMAO Jan your quick. LOL its a good thing.

Hey JB I provided a link for you and tobias. Can we discuss the van now instead of a case that involves a daddy killing his little girl. Which is sad and a tragidy that seems to be now solved and in the justice process. Haleigh has still not been found and a suspect has not been named or any charges filed against anyone yet.

What link I dont see a link. jmo

Tex – you and I would get along fine if you’d stop ramming your opinions down our throats and talking down to us if we don’t agree. There are a lot of theories I don’t agree with and that is fine because people are entitled to believe what they want. It is when someone beats me over the head, belittles me or other bloggers, gets nasty and makes over the top comments that I get my undies in a bunch because it is uncalled for. For a LONGGGGG time I would try to diffuse the situation with humor, distract everyone, get the fussing to stop, etc….but SOMETIMES that just doesn’t work and the offensive blogger continues to subject all who enter the room with relentless bloggin’ noggin’ floggin’s…..you my dear, are the queen of bloggin noggin floggins….LOL… agree to disagree and move on. Don’t attack others when they don’t believe what you do….and we’ll get along fine.

JB said,in April 23rd, 2010 at 3:06 pm WOW – just got through reading “The Daily Profiler” blog suggested by another blogger earlier today. IMPRESSIVE.

But Tex…you won’t want to read it….it is very anti-Ron….very rational, very well thought out, very intelligent, has some typos but otherwise well written…and VERY thought provoking. Her theories definitely give you pause and make you go hmmmmmmmm…..and none of the articles point the finger at Crystal so I KNOW you won’t like them.
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I wish Crystal had taken HaLeigh….. she just might be alive today! I won’t agree it is or would of been the right way to go about solving her problems.

I thought the van belonged to one of the Croslin brothers…….Timmy or Tommy.

I have been to the Putnam county sheriffs news site and there is nothing about a van blue , siver or grey mentioned. I think you have bad info and thats all so I think that has clearified the subject about the van. jmo

I don’t if I should even post this but here is one about van. http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/04/13/breaking-news-possible-break-in-haleigh-cummings-case/

I’ve got one thing to say about Haleigh’s screams while being raped by ToC & JO. WHy didn’t the neighbors hear it? What ToC’s neighbors can call about a barking dog but nobody hear a child screaming while being raped by 2 men. BULL!!!

Besides IF they had raped her they sure as H*LL wouldn’t allow her to scream!!! How FN stupid do they think we are?>??

stillucy , I only caught the UP Date part about the Van. TY I had compony didn’t get to watch HLN to today. I think the police make up few lies to try to get Croslin shook up. I’m married to cop and they dang well do what they want, I don’t think thats right but it’s not against the law.

Linda,
God love you! I was married to a cop too! 22 years and then I found out that he totally forgot to stop dating when he pledge his fidelity to me and only me till death did we part. Oh well, stuff happens.
I don’t think cops really lie. They let crooks believe what they want them to believe. Kind of misleading. Withhold info and pertinent facts.
I heard that Tommy’s attorney withdrew from this case. I heard that Tommy took another polygraph test after the search of the river last week and since the results were confirmed with Tommy and his attorney, his attorney withdrew. Werter, his attorney, is still representing Tommy on the drug charges. Kinda makes you wanna go, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Ron stated to Tim Miller and Art Harris a long time ago with a gun pointed to himself that he would kill Misty if she had something to do with it, then kill himself, he kneeled down, then put the gun in his mouth.
Tim and Art told LE cuz they were concerned, and Junior was there at the time, alledgedly saw him do it. RON DID NOT DENY THAT, but did say he did not know Junior was watching from the den. GOT THAT CLEARED UP?

Who in the heck would smell Pot when ever??? Who the heck cares? People smoke pot then go to work, school, come on let’s get real.

PILLS? No addicted person would have anything “laying around,” it would be in a safe place, so it’s not stolen or lost.

And who said RON THINKS HIS CHILDREN ARE HIS PROPERTY???? OF COURSE HE DOES, WHATS WRONG WITH THAT?????? DANG RIGHT, MY CHILDREN ARE MY PROPERTY, TOO. Write back on that one baby!!

If having a bad temper means that u killed your kid, then all 4 of mine would be dead.

ENUF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VAN: there was an offical statement made as to whoever has infor about the stupid van to contact LE. It was a couple of weeks ago coinciding with the dock and river search. We even blogged about it.

Ron has been cleared. 2 times. Would someone Pleaaaasssssssse let Levi Page “Taco Bell” boy know that. what a tool.

sorry for the typos. i just dont care today.

Oh, and YES Cobra tapes everyone, he’s got that contraption in his truck. I don’t really think Ron gives a monkey’s butt whether or not ANYONE is recording him or videoing him or taking pics of him or looking at him. He’s aware of it, he even said it about 500 million a kazillion a billion times.

What is it about Ron that makes any of u think he would kill his daughter??????
I urge u to go to youtube and look at pics.

WHO is the one who’s commenting on young girls? Crystal and HIM BOTH WERE YOUNG when they were together.
Big deal about the age diff w/Misty. Doesnt make her any less competent to take care of kids. I know adults who shouldn’t even have kids. So, get off the age thing. She’s older and wiser than her years. She’s old enough to babysit, right? And if she isn’t, then I guess my 15 yr old can’t babysit anymore.

Who care what Ron likes? It’s his own preference. If he likes younger girls, then ok. When he’s 40, he’ll be with a 30 year old, what then???? Geez….

Why would you think they werent? And why does it matter, they were Arrested for trafficking reguardless of a drug test its still illegal if you pass a test, which I DOUBT ANY OF THEM DID. JMO

Tobias, I was just wondering if in Florida results of tests can be revealed or not. I would be curious to see what and how many were in their systems, das all, dont hate.
About Ron being cleared, I just don’t understand how people are suddenly thinking (cuz of Cobra’s tapes which were a long time ago)that he’s actually involved.
As for Levi Page, I just don’t get why he is even on JVM. Plus, he is intent on Ron-bashing. That’s why Mizz Nancee doesn’t have him on her show, I guess.

The day after Haleigh was reported missing, what was the bandage for on Ronald’s neck? Does anyone KNOW? thank you

Elaine:
I have noticed the bandage on Ron’s neck but do not remember ever hearing why.
Anne:
I am so there with you on all aspects. Too much negative stuff on all involved and Nancy Grace has dug herself in soooo deep. I enjoy looking at the facial expressions of her guests when she starts rambling on and on about her boy Ron. It may be my tv but they appear to turn yellow to green! It’s like everyone sees it but her.
Ron is the one that said that he had been cleared as a person of interest by the PCSD as he also stated that he and Misty had also passed their polygraph exams. The PCSD never made those statements. Ron made these statements on interviews. All the interviews are on YouTube.
I feel so bad for Crystal. The guilt she must be carrying. I’m just relieved that she finally has Jr back with her and away from that bunch in Satsuma.
With Teresa being an employee of PCSD, I don’t know why they didn’t just turn the investigation over completely to the State to avoid any improprieties and to move forward quickly to insure justice for HaLeigh.

The FBI won’t be involved because it isn’t a federal case.
Ron has a son from a relationship prior to Crystal and a son that has medical issues, go figure, from a relationship prior to Misty. It was reported to Police that after HaLeigh’s disappearance, he tried to use Jr to abduct the youngest child. There are some reports floating around about it. I believe her name is Amber. It’s been reported that she’s involved in this drug world too.
Nancy Grace’s loyalties are totally misplaced. She really dropped the ball on this one. But, I’ve been following her for a few years now and she seems to jump in before she gets her facts lined up alot. HLN may need to pull her in a bit. She may need a vacation.
Have you checked out Pat Brown or Art Harris’s websites? You may find some interesting FACTUAL items on both sites.

For immediate release

Leonard Padillia famed bounty hunter and star of the Nancy Grace show and Flora Hollars, loveable and articulate Grandmother of Misty Croslin,( the murderer of Haleigh Cummings) have announce their plans to marry.

Wedding date will be announced as soon as sterilization procedures are completed on the couple.

Mr. Padillia and Ms Hollars said in a joint statement they owe their good fortune to the Nancy Grace Show where they met

. Couple will set up housekeeping at Easy Tymns trailer park near the St. John River in Florida.

Does anyone KNOW if Joe Overstreet is locked up or not? thank you.
And..I hope their is a doctor’s name and records of when Ron’s neck boils were lanced.

Prior to Crystal having HaLeigh and Jr, Ron had a son with another female. So that would be 3 and then before Misty, Ron was involved in a relationship with another underaged girl named Amber that gave birth to a son fathered by Ron. That son has severe physical and mental limitations due to birth defects. It has been reported that Amber was beaten and abused by Ron and Amber was involved in using illegal narcotics. So that makes 4 kids. I don’t know about a screw driver. Amber’s baby is the child that Ron used Jr to try to abduct. It was reported to police as an attemped abduction right before Ron got arrested on drug charges.
Cobra was on blog radio today and said that Ron had Nancy Grace’s cell number and that she was working with Ron on getting him an attorney back in 09′ a few months after HaLeigh went missing. That woman is nuts. HLN needs to reevaluate her contract. She has stepped over the line here. Cobra said that Art Harris knew about it too. I’m going to post a message on Art’s blog and inquire about it. that makes me sick.

Cobra was on here with Simon Barrett. BBN, Saturdays @3pm eastern time. Here on this site BlogTalkRadio. They cover Caylee and HaLeigh both every week and Cobra is usually on.
I think this case may just bite Nancy Grace in the butt. Especially after that comment today. I’ve noticed on some other blogs people talking about the cell number exchange thing. It’s out there. She’s a nut.
I threw Art Harris a post now see what he does with it. I can’t wait to see if anything is brought up to Nancy about it this week. I think everyone is scared of her.
I remember little Trenton. That was so sad. I feel so bad for his dad. Didn’t Nancy have to testify about that? A deposition or something?
I just hope that Trenton was given off to a family that is loving and caring for him. Wasn’t that a scenario? The mother gave him away to keep him from the father. NON-english speaking, maybe Korean? All you can do is hope and pray.

Lucy, I went back and read up a little on the Art Harris Blog, but I didn’t see anything that incriminated Ronald Cummings. Also didn’t see your post, maybe I am looking in the wrong place. I saw where someone named Steve Brown was defending Ronald on Crystal Sheffield’s behalf. Does this mean she has a new attorney? I know she did have a female lawyer. I don’t think Art Harris would go against N/G, do you? Yes, afraid of N/G, these people work for her, right? Also, I did not find the tape you mentioned on BlogTalk Radio. There again, maybe I wasn’t looking in the right place.

What happened in the Trenton Duckett matter was that her adopted parents sued N/G and the network after their daughter killed herself in her parent’s home in a closet, blaming N/G for her death. From that day on N/G never said another word or mentioned the case again. I thought N/G had hung herself then, but no. Yes, I do believe the woman was guilty of doing something terrible to her child. Why she couldn’t just give him to his father was a mystery since she obviously did not want him. That would have been the end for her. No support, scott free of any ties to any of them. The State of Fl would have helped him.

But no, she hoaxed up a fake break-in in his room and quickly repainted his room; she threw out everything he owned in the dumpster, even his unopened food, clothes and toys. If she had given him away she would have packed up his things with him. Don’t buy that one. But she HAD made some raw porn tapes with him lying there on the floor beside her while sticking a bottle in his mouth! Then she turned up with unaccounted for money after he disappeared. No doubt in my mind she did something awful with that child, but what?

N/G DID drive her to total destruction with her hounding. Had she left her alone the child might have been found. Yes, so sad for the dad and his mother. They knew she was no good. They tried every way in the world to get that child away from her thru the DCF, all to no avail, now missing forever. But N/G pushed the last button with her non-stop hounding and harassing her.

About the Trenton Duckett case… The FBI was on their way to the house before the show was to be aired because of the porn she was in while her child was in the background. That is why she killed herself. The porn part had not been let out of the bag yet. I don’t think Nancy was the reason. No, Melinda had run out of time and she knew it. I believe the guy/guys that helped her clean the house of the child’s toys and food would know if Trenton is dead or alive…
However,I am not happy about Nancy Grace’s show. I wish she would focus on 4 murder investigations on one show instead of being able to watch her show the first ten minutes and know the next 40 will be repeated over and over and over. She would really be standing for justice if she would help in more than one disappearance a night. I then believe she would deserve all the compliments she receives from her callers.

Elaine, I agree with you concerning your comments about the N/G show, and more. She wastes so much time repeating the same tapes over and over, then the next night or days later will repeat them all over again, especially on the week-ends and when she is taking off a long week-end. All of this wasted time when she could properly cover two or more worthy news stories in one evening and NOT play repeat tapes over and over dragging them out for a full hour.

On 3-day week-ends they could replace her with someone else who could bring a fresher outlook on these cases, but do they? Hell no. Oh, and she bombards us with shows about Tiger, Sandra, or whatever, newsreels we see on other shows! It has become not much more than a waste of time and hearing her insulting mouth.

About little Trenton Duckett, yes the news was out about his mother making the porn tapes otherwise I would not have known about it. But yes, time had snuck up on her where she would be able to get away with little Trenton’s disappearance much longer and she was boxed into a corner; but N/G helped to put her in that corner. As to the lawsuit, yes, N/G was accused by the parents of being the one who caused her suicide. It’s a matter of record. That’s all I was saying. I didn’t say she ’caused’ it, but she sure didn’t help.

Thanks for your response. Have a good evening!

Anne.. I don’t get home from work till 9:45. My husband and I want to watch the news and as many shows as we can before we go to bed. We watch the first 10 minutes of the show and then I say “that’s the show,let’s watch something else”, lol

I remember myself not knowing about Melinda’s porn until after she committed suicide and read she got a phone call from the FBI to say they were on the way to see her. I then read it was about her porn involvement…
I think she didn’t want caught what she did, so she took her own life… My opinion.

You are welcome. Goodnight.

Anne,
I meant getting caught with what she did to Trenton.
It did look like I meant with the porn. Sorry

At one point during clip two cobra speculates as to what joe’s limits are and ron replies “i’m scared of him” hmm…makes you wonder if everyone involved lives in fear of joe.

wow I know what he said, he said tommy, who he calls hank was at that lake fishing with tommy/hanks son and junior than the guy said shit there are alligators in here like placid I better hurry up and get my son snd get out of here and some other guy