I watched the Nancy Grace program on HLN tonight. What a waste of time. We got to hear the 911 call for the three hundredth time. Having eaten up the game clock Nancy then regaled us with the “BOMBSHELL†about Tommy Croslin being arrested and held on a $50k bond. Yawn, and also very old news. With these two pieces of idiocy Nancy wasted almost 20 minutes of air time.
Then we get a whopping 30 second interview (old) with Ronald Cummings, it was another ‘Miss Nancy’ special!
From the archive we get a couple of vintage minutes of video coverage from inside the trailer.
Back to brother Tommy for a few minutes, and drivel about old news and the fact that that he admitted (in order to get his bail reduced) that he went to the trailer that night and was of the opinion that no one was home. Nancy refers to this as a confession! Oh my!
Then back to an ancient interview with Ronald ‘Miss Nancy’ Cummings. OK now the game clock is at 40 minutes and we have heard nothing that is not at least a week old, in fact most of it is months old!
Next some video of Teresa Neves talking about the jail house letter (first one) from Nay Nay. More yawn inducing stuff.
At the 46 minute mark Miss Nancy moves onto Misty and her latest failed Polygraph! At the 48 minute mark we get more canned video, this time from Crystal Shefield.
At the 51 minute mark I was becoming comatose. If I want old news I can get it at my local library, they keep copies of the newspapers for many years.
So, here is the question. What was the purpose of the Nancy Grace show tonight? It certainly had nothing to do with news. Although I guess that we should be glad for small miracles, at least she wasn’t hyping up her less than brilliant book, and we did not have to put up with the mind numbing photo album of her kids.
I know why one regular guest bowed out of the show, but what happened to the rest? Today’s show was a delightful, and well executed piece of video editing, and the technicians are to be congratulated. But I ask why? Why was this drivel fed to us in prime time?
I do actually have a couple of ideas, but I think I will keep them to myself for the time being.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon another great article, but speak your mind bud…everyone else does. Come on really, why not?
Just thinking that all the prime time media could go towards other missing children or other crimes against children..
I watched for one reason, read Misty had taped the show last night. I never watch the show, and I was near comatose by the end.
Also, WESH NEWS (WESH.COM) is reporting Tommy Croslin swiped a shovel from Mr. Martin. I have to wonder why this shovel wasn’t listed on the two police reports, waiting for WESH to confirm this is a true story.
So, what would Tommy need a shovel for? Any ideas??
So much could have been talked about,like some other missing children that need some prime time!Come on nancy, you are acting like Ron now! We will call it, Deer in headlight game!
From the Police Scanner
Tommy and Hank Croslin have attracted the attention of Putnam County Sheriff’s Department and were stopped and their records were run. No further info.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?ctid=369
I agree . I watched alittle bit of it then just walked away from it nothing new was in the Nancy Grace show I dont care too much about her at all. I am praying for someone to come forward that God allow this to be solved and Haleigh can come home.
Yeah nancy come on we heard all this we want new news tell us how to find adji all the other missing children and run aways we want our children protected not to hear who you think every five sec we all have are opinions what are you goin to do when we find out real truth apologize? when do you have time to be a mom nancy you workin so hard to get new news coverage 🙂 lmao
you are so right. what a waste of time. maybe she was sick and they had to throw something together. what bothers me is the women who call in delighting in the fact they watch her show with their very young children beside them. talking about death, murder, bodies, tot mom, and all i would think that wouldn’t be encouraged. i wonder if nancy would let the ‘twins’ watch that type of show. hypocrite.
I agree with everyone’s take on nancy wasting airtime.Everyone has basically centralized that Misty is suspect #1,but good law enforcement always keep an open mind.The thing that haunts my take on this is the cinder block propping the door open.Was it staged?Why?Misty is surely big enough to hold the door open without it and exit.If misty is to be believed(he he ha ha)then you would be left to believe a person of small stature pulled this off,say a juvenile maybe 8-14 yrs.old or a small woman.Nancy needs to stop screaming at the camera and try to offer some theories,it worked for einstein.
Just wondering what the next step is for LE? I know we all would like to know that one. They are arresting “the little people” at the drop of a hat, but I believe they have indicated they want to only arrest Misty for a bigger charge that will stick? Apparently, that is not working so well for them. I think they could come up with something, long enough to get her AWAY FROM THE CUMMINGS FAMILY, if they wanted…just stating MO. What is with Ron getting off on all his previous charges that he is call “Teflon Ron”???? If it can’t get more bizarre..
I recorded it but from 7:25 to 7:40 I watched it…..nothing but re-runs of previous video that have been played many times before. Boring! I did notice when Ron’s attorney spoke, she couldn’t wait to start attacking him. That is rude and disrespectful. I noticed the attorney started laughing at her and the camera was quickly cut away from him. I quit recording it and did something more constructive! There was no current news.
Why would CNN (HLN) waste their valuable prime time slot on a show like this? I’d rather watch Anderson Cooper. Based on the content of the NG Show, IMO, it should be on at 3 a.m.
Do you think NG has repetitive video clips for some of her audience that might not be able to grasp it the 20th or 50th time? I am serious when I ask this.
As we all know, last month’s news in the media world is not a seller. Watch your local evening or 10 p.m. news. It is ever changing with the exception of current follow ups to a previous story.
Well, good to know NG did not hawk her book or exploit her twins! Who cares? She needs to step back and be empathic!
But then again…..there are people out there who live and breathe her show. I guess to each his own! Count me out!
I’m really sick of hearing the NG BOMBSHELL news. Thank God TJ Hart decided to remove himself from this farce. This is about a missing child not NG ratings. Plus I know addiction is a major problem but when Jane tries to sell her book night after night I’m tired of hearing of her beating her drum to make a buck off her book. These people need to investigate what is going on in the cases they report on TV instead of pushing their agendas. Sorry if I’m on my soap box tonight but this kind of reporting is dangerous to any case concerning missing children. What is it doing to find a child except media exposure? Bad exposure at that!
New info. or not, at least NG is keeping Haleigh’s plight in the news.
GLSADCSKSG (THAT IS A BURP), NOW WHERE WERE WE, OH YES OCT. 1 2009, I FELT LIKE IT WAS 1999, WELL NOT REALLY, BUT MISTY PARTIED LIKE IT WAS. ” GONA PARTY LIKE IT’S 1999″ AND THEY DID.
NOW NANCY DID SAY SHE KNEW RONALD, I WONDER IF HE GAVE HER AN APPLE?
KICK ROYAL AZZ SIMON, YOU ARE A LEADER IN LOGIC
BREAKING NEWS FROM THE HILLBILLY’S , DISCLAIMER IS , SOME OF US ARE STILL ON THE TIN CAN TO TIN CAN SYSTEM, BUT THOSE CANS ARE RATTLING IN SATSUMA TONIGHT. A LOT OF CHATTER AND SOME PRIVATE CHATTER, BUT I HAVE A SUSPICION THAT SON MAY JOIN MA IN THE CAN REAL SOON…..IF THE CHATTER IS CORRECT… JUST A HILLBILLY REPORTING..
I would like to know more about this shovel that Hank Croslin, Jr. took from his neighbor. I wonder when he took it. This is the first I have heard of it. I wonder if charges were filed on Tommy about this theft, also. I wonder if the man has missed anything else.
I am sure LE looked around that shed where Tommy hid the gun that he was said to have taken, but I wish they would take some cadaver dogs and do some digging around that shed. People have a tendency to be people of habits. If he would hide a gun there, he might bury a body there, at least,temporarilly.
Nancy is all self serving,her book,her children,those oh so perfect children with the nanny.They more than likely know the nanny more than Mommy Nancy.I for on can’t stand to watch her holier than thou,I’m right your wrong and I think I am still a judge,and bigger than God,show.That is not a news show.Oh and her makeup is way off too.Maybe she and Ronald should get together.Her show is not worth watching,I didn’t watch tonight because I knew it would be a waste of time.
CObra, Do TELL!!! Anything to do with a shovel? Or His being at 202 that fatefull night? Is Mom talking already?
BREAKING NEWS FROM THE HILLBILLY’S , DISCLAIMER IS , SOME OF US ARE STILL ON THE TIN CAN TO TIN CAN SYSTEM, BUT THOSE CANS ARE RATTLING IN SATSUMA TONIGHT. A LOT OF CHATTER AND SOME PRIVATE CHATTER, BUT I HAVE A SUSPICION THAT SON MAY JOIN MA IN THE CAN REAL SOON…..IF THE CHATTER IS CORRECT… JUST A HILLBILLY REPORTING..
ALL I CAN TELL YA HOYYSGMOM IS, THIS RIDDLE…
MA COMES FROM A TIN CAN IN TN. TO A TIN CAN IN FL. THERE IS A SON WHO GOT OUT OF A TIN CAN TO ONLY DESIRE TO RETURN. A LOT OF TIN CAN CHATTER AND NONE SHALL MATTER IF IT DON’T LEAD TO HALEIGH OR HER ABDUCTORS, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE, ACCORDING TO ANOTHER TIN CAN REPRESENTATIVE, THEY SHALL BE YANKED & TANKED.
THANK YOU CALLER, I DID NOT SAY HANK AND TOMMY, I SAID YANKED AND TANKED,,,,BUT I WAS ON THE CAN, WHEN I SENT THE WIRE. SO IF YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND, PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE TIN CAN.
Cobra, I think I can decipher part of your comment (10:42 p.m.).
Lisa Croslin came from a jail in Tennessee to a jail in Florida. Her son, Tommy (Hank, Jr.), wants to return to jail(does not make sense; maybe for his own safety?) A lot of jail chatter and it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t lead to Haleigh or her abductors. According to another jail representative (deputy), they shall be arrested and booked into jail.
Now did I even come close in an attempt to decipher? If so, who is they? Misty, Tommy and Ron?
Misty, Ron, Tommy and Teresa Neves?
I guess I’ll have to just wait and see what shakes out in Satsuma tonight!
From scanner, names checked: Hank Croslin, Hank Croslin Jr, Bobby Wise, James Hall, Ashley Webb – Officer 1228
One of the males has a past in GA..a woman from TN with no past, White male going to jail..dont know which one.
Thanks Cobra….btw, does anyone here think NG kids look like pumpkin heads?
I just wanted to thank you Simon for allowing me to go to bed an hour earlier than I had planned. You see, I missed NG’s show and had intended to watch the rerun at 1:00 AM, but now I will be sleeping instead. Duly appreciated, mate!
I’m grateful HaLeigh’s face is being broadcast on a national level.
When Nancy was NOT focusing on HaLeigh, many that are complaining were emailing and calling and were asking for her to cover HaLeigh’s story.
Nancy is often annoying, her coverage is behind the information WE have, sometimes incorrect, but she IS showing HaLeigh’s face to the viewers across the country. She is keeping HaLeigh’s name and face alive to the public.
Her Bombshells are duds. We already know that. But do any of us really want HaLeigh’s coverage to just STOP?
4 hours after the police saying they were taking the white male in, and no booking record yet…what gives?
This blog entry is just like the NG program. A waste of time and no new information.
People should know by now that these kinds of shows are just clips and tapes from previous shows, nothing new. Just like the one Memorial Day weekend one. She’s done many of these on Caylee also.
I saw the wesh article about the shovel. I wonder where they got their info?
BEBE, HOW THICK IS YOUR SKIN? HERE GOES, YES I DO….PUMPKIN LOOKING DOLLS WERE A BIG SALES DEAL IN MY DAY….WITH OUT TJ AND SOME REAL FACTS, NANCY DOES HAVE THE ORIGINALS TO FALL BACK ON….FOLKS HAVE REFERRED TO THEM AS THE TWINS A LOT. NOT VERY SAFE FOR HER TO DO, OVER EXPOSURE ON A STATION THAT TALKS ABOUT MISSING CHILDREN, WE ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES WATCHING AS THE DIDDLERS TUNE IN TOO! ANYWAY, I LOVE ALL CHILDREN FOR THE INNOCENCE THEY POSSES, BUT I MUST SAY THESE ARE THE ORIGINALS OR DARN GOOD COPIES. BUT THEY ARE CUTE, MAYBE THAT IS THE INNOCENCE I SEE. IF SHE WAS HONEST, SHE WOULD SAY, COME HERE MY LITTLE PUMPKIN HEADS..MAYBE SHE REALLY DOES…WHO KNOWS? BUT I LOVE THEM TWINS TOO! JUST DON’T THINK IT IS SAFE TO EXPLOIT THEM CONSTANTLY.
wow, pumpkin heads?
HELL, BEBE ASK, WHY NOT BE HONEST? NOT FOR THIN SKIN FOLKS I GUESS…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41107160@N05/3922499107/
Above is a link for an “nearly” original pumpkin head doll. They were very beautiful dolls.
I think they are adorable pumpkin heads.
I wasn’t being mean. Their faces are so round. I have twins also so it’s cute watching them grow up. I wish we could watch our Haleigh and just maybe we can. Hope is fading but not gone.
Thanks Simon , Jan and Cobra for all you do.
Sorry I misunderstood, BEBE. 🙂
I agree, the Nancy Grace show was disapppointing tonight. However, if Nancy’s motive is to keep pressure on Misty, similar to what she did to Casey Anthony, I am all for it!
I love Cobra, Simon, TJ, and yes, Art too. Could it not be that Art really does have a source who stated that Misty and Ronald were fighting on the phone? Would it really suprise any of us, given the pressure on Misty, her failed polygraphs & voice stress test, Ron’s temper and controlling personality, not to mention the drugs they delve in?
Misty was not MIA, but do we really believe all is well in paradise for the two lovebirds?
– LisaE
312 Peach Blossom mean anything to anyone?
*Just an insight that may or may not have any value at all . . .
If it rings a bell with you – let us know.
Nance where is Peach Blossom?
Tuff Stuff,
I’m not sure.
Probably means nothing, uh –
Just a hunch.
Let who know?
Who is “us”?
Send your comments on the Nancy Grace show to HLN here: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?81
Just once I would like someone to state/show proof, how they know Misty was/wasn’t MIA… Are we to believe the C,C clan? The same folks that are confessing their beliefs behind closed doors to Cobra, TJ, Art, Tim, then get on camera and say different?
And why weren’t the clan confronted/challenged by some of the above mentioned when they were on NG at the same time??
And if by chance there was a fight, and it comes to light… who will be bloggish enough to apologize to Art?
Better yet, instead of riddles about “who” ran “what” story that was a lie.. why don’t you guys call him out on the broadcast and stop dancing around with the accusations. It’s too distracting and time consuming for the antics.
I am thrilled and very very grateful that Nancy Grace and any other nationally aired and widely viewed program would give even five minutes to Haleigh’s disappearance (especially nearly 8 months later and with no new news to report).
There are hundreds of thousands – maybe more – people in this country who don’t even know Haleigh’s name. So keep spreading the word. If nothing else, the message is that these children are NOT forgotten!
When they are forgotten by national news organizations it’s for the very reason you are are criticizing last night’s show. Because there is no “new” news (or the show didn’t have any that they felt confident enough of its credibility to air).
So I’m sorry. I think people who complain about NG’s show last night are hypocrites.
Daily we DEMAND continued coverage of Haleigh. We DEMAND that children not be forgotten. And then we criticize the heck out of a show because it’s all “old” news. Well maybe it is. Maybe it’s “new” news to some viewers. Or it’s only about one child. Or whatever your complaint is. But your complaints are the very reason many major TV shows STOP running anything about “old” stories.
And that’s one of the reasons why these children are forgotten.
Of all people I thought WE would be the last to contribute to that travesty.
In other words, Simon. I would have hoped for an article entitled, “Hallelujah! More Prime Time Coverage for Haleigh!”
IMO that’s far more supportive of keeping the pressure on, her picture out there, and the message that we will not forget. Who cares if the news is old? It may be new to someone! And it is not allowing her to be forgotten.
I truly don’t understand the purpose in lambasting a show that’s keeping Haleigh in the national spotlight. The only result is to discourage programs from doing that and that is exactly why the Haleigh’s of this world are forgotten.
NG’s children ARE UGLY. NOT sure if they are really ugly, or I am so sick of the callers calling in and asking about them that they turned UGLY. I LOVE children too. However, never would I exploit my children on National TV. Why does this idiot do that??? To what purpose??
PUMPKIN HEADS?? That is being way to kind. Sorry. I am NOT a NG fan, I find her sickening to listen to. She has Horowitz on her show because they are personal friends. He is the only reputable lawyer that still shows up. The rest have back out. I am all for a petition to get her off the air permanently…….
GOOD NIGHT- FRIEND
BELCH!!!!!!
BOLDONE3 – THere is nothing much that I like about the NG show either EXCEPT that she is keeping Haleigh’s name in the news and that helps keep pressure on the investigation and helps prevent Haleigh from being forgotten.
So for that I am grateful for her program.
m2c-Very true.
m2c 100% agree!!!!
also some may no know all the facts like us bloggers following the case and nancy’s recap[old news] may have jogged a memory or made some one realize they have some puzzle to share w/ le. is the internet in compatition[sp?
with main stream media?…we all have something to share in this case.BNN WILL REACH ONES THAT MAINSTREAM NEVER WOULD AND COBRA REACHES ONES THAT LE CANNOT….ie. THE EYES CN’T DO THE EARS JOB NOR CAN THE HAND DO THE FOOTS JOB.
GOD BLESS HALEIGH
Please answer if you can, anyone… How did Misty explain the Rose.. Who placed it, How did she know it was there?
M2c I agree NG has kept Haleigh on the air. I also want to point out that TJ backed out of the NG show very graciously, without blaming or criticizing. I want to support him in that even though I personally can’t stand NG for how cold she is to some guest. I respect TJ all the more for this decision and the way he has handled it.
Tommy knows more than he’s saying…but is the in the center or off to one side?
312 Peach Blossom Bonaire, GA
Woolfolk? What is that about?
I hate to be the “off” one here…
But, J, I disagree.
Of course we want to keep Haleigh’s name in the news/on the air. But, what about the other kids that are missing? Haleigh isn’t the ONLY CHILD missing.
I mean Nancy could take that 10 minutes of repeating herself and say “Another missing child: blah blah blah” and show pictures.
She repeated herself. Stuff, we already KNOW! We look to News for NEW NEWS.
Anyways, just a thought.
8 months later and Haleigh is still not found. They must of done a great job hiding her. Misty isn’t going to confess (if she did it) – she isn’t going to jail. FOR Murder… for LIFE. AS she already explained “I’m only 17, what more do you want”…. (yawn).
Poor Haleigh. Poor Junior.
I have seen NG do other “specials” like this. My theory is that they are put together to cover for her if she wants time off. ha! Seriously, Jane has her own show now so she can’t really cover.
I think the twins are adorable although I do worry that Nancy has the kind of personality that people either love or hate and someone could decide to try to hurt her children to get to her.
If she is going to put up pictures though, I wish she would take more pictures of them smiling or laughing. They always seem to be looking at the camera with the same expressions on their faces as a deer caught in headlights. She’s got enough money. Get a professional photographer that knows how to get children to relax in front of a camera.
Putting pressure on Casey did not get her to talk. Putting pressure on Misty is not going to get her to talk. It almost has the opposite effect.
Unless and until we have evidence (like decomp in the trunk of the car as in Caylee’s case) that indicates the child is dead, Put Haleigh and Adji’s pictures up every dad-gummed day in case someone walks by the television set and realizes they know where one of them are.
Are you guilty of being Nancy Grace’s #1 fan? If you don’t like her, then don’t watch the show. I don’t like how she is rude to her guests, but I do like what I learn “law” wise, and I believe she would have liked to get more information out of Ron and Misty. I know that’s why a lot of people watched. It’s disappointing I know. It’s frustrating. We want that little girl back so much. We care about what happened to her, and lot’s of other children too. We need to understand why things like this happen. I wanted Caylee Anthony to be found alive so much that I didn’t allow myself to believe otherwise. When her body was found I was so upset. We just have to pray, and know that Jesus is holding the hands of all the missing.
Everyone blasted Nancy when she was not running Haleigh. Now she is putting Haleigh out there and doing recaps and now these same very people want ot complain. Haleigh needs every bit of this exposure.If it puts more pressure on Misty so be it. I think it is putting pressure on the whole cummings clan.
I believe Arts source was accurate. This Cumming clan has been playing ignorant games right from the start! Cobra knows this. Remember the reinactment, Teresa and the woods caper. The 4 months they all clammed up and were not looking for Haleigh. Then all of a sudden Baby Ron gets arrested for the brawl with Hank Jr. and the trouble with ratgate and all of a sudden they want to come out and play the grieving family. They need closure they say. Their actions speaks volumes!!!
They more than likely staged this whole incident in order to get Misty out of reach from LE. Rons lawyer and Teresa Neves were on Nancy Grace and could of cleared it all up. They waited til Misty was back in Satsuma and Teresa said if anyone would of asked her she would of told them and stated they did not think it was big deal! Rons lawyer was laughing. There is nothing funny about the family who is suppose to love this little girl playing such ignorant games!! It would not suprise me if LE gave warning to make sure Misty returned or perhaps they were going to find other means of bringing her back. It seems to me that LE has gone to great lengths to make sure everyone close to this case remains in Satsuma. I guess Rons motto keep your friends close and your enemies closer would not apply here, since Misty would not have been allowed to leave the area to begin with. He could still of kept her close enough to control and monitor without the nupituals. NOW WHY DID RON REALLY MARRY MISTY?
Nancy Grace has been promoting for a week now that on Thursday, October 1, the hour would be a recap of the timeline and players in the Haleigh Cummings case. Yes, it was old news and yes, we heard old sound bites over and over again. Not everyone knows what the story is about Haleigh and this was more or less a catch up on the facts if you will. That’s why there were no lawyers to unleash or callers. Why do you insist on slamming someone who’s trying to help others? Don’t you rehash the same points of view and info on your little radio show Mr. Simon?
Look NG can’t cover every missing person case, BUT, if she is just going to spend a show rehashing what she’s already covered a dozen or more times, then she certainly COULD be covering something else. I TIVO her show and in reality I watch it in 15 minutes. I fast forward thru all of the same stuff and just get the info I need. It IS a waste of time to keep repeating old news. If she didn’t do that she could spend more time reporting other stories.
I too enjoy listening to the legal aspects both defense and prosecution, whether Ron marrying Misty really prevents Misty from ever testifying against him and visa versa.
Nancy grace is good at grabbing the audiences attention. Some in the audience might want to throttle her, but they watch. She needs better material – more reporters out there doing investigative work to get back to her sooner with accurate information.
Someone else was saying once that the problem with news reporting nowadays is there are not enough investigative news reporters…one reason people have started reading the national inquirer….they actualy have investigative reporters even though it is a crap tabloid. They don’t just sit and wait for news to fall in their lap.
If i were the polygraph examiner,Here’s what i would ask misty.How did the childnapper enter the residence if you say it was locked?How long after leaving the kids alone to sleep did you leave the trailer for the drug party?Did you use dirty clothes to hold back door open,so you get back in?What drugs were you taking that night?When you awoke @”i just saw 3’0 clock”,did you stand up next to your bed an notice a small girl missing?Whom at the drug party,would you suspect?Did you and Ron have a fight before he alledgely went to work?Was that cinder block heavy?
I totally agree. NG has become quite the hack. She is also extremely biased in her “reporting”. Between her and Jane Velez pushing their books in our faces, there is very little real content on their shows.
nostradamus,
I know that Ron and Misty go on and on about how that back door is always locked, but what if someone accidentally left the front door unlocked? It would be easy for someone to come in the front door and then open the back door unless the only way to open it would require a key in the dead bolt on either side. But usually dead bolts can be opened from the inside without a key.
I have to agree, as tiring as the old blah blah is, at least keeping Haleigh’s case in the news is a positive!
I was gonna write just about the same thing, but I see that “Marianne” has already said it very well…
“Nancy Grace has been promoting for a week now that on Thursday, October 1, the hour would be a recap of the timeline and players in the Haleigh Cummings case. Yes, it was old news and yes, we heard old sound bites over and over again. Not everyone knows what the story is about Haleigh and this was more or less a catch up on the facts if you will.”
Agreed, Marianne…we were warned that Oct 1st’s show would be a “special” on the Haleigh case, and anybody familiar with Nancy Grace knows that these “specials” are nothing really special. (Except for someone who perhaps knows nuthin about a case!)
Here’s something that bugs me about “Ms Nancy” that I haven’t seen anybody else comment on: The funky, big, brightly colored, gaudy, over-the-top, costume jewelry she wears on an almost nightly basis! Yes, there are many other things she does that irk me, but her fashion sense in the “accessories” department really makes me cringe! Tone it DOWN, lady! How about some tasteful pearls, or a simple, elegant gold necklace? No, it’s gotta be lime green, or hot pink, or fluorescent yellow, and it’s gotta cover five square inches of the TV screen! LOL!!
nostradamus jr.:
Polygraph questions are yes or no only. You can’t ask questions that require anything beyond a yes or no.
Polygraphs are a tool, basically. LE can take the results, and use them to further question people. For example, to take one of your questions you wanted asked:
“Here’s what i would ask misty.How did the childnapper enter the residence if you say it was locked?”
Another way to ask that would be:
“Misty, was the back door locked?”
If she states yes and shows deception, LE could question her further about an unlocked door.
Texasgoldengirl,the doors cannot be locked from the inside without key!This is where misty is having trouble with law enforcement.It is a long stretch to imagine a stranger pedophile casing trailers driving about undetected out in the boonies,throwing caution to the wind breaking in snatching child all under the possibility that daddy would be home and armed ready to shoot,no way!This is the biggest inside job i’ve ever seen.
I too think that Nancy Grace should allow time in her show for other missing children to be shown.
The biggest problem I have with her is that she asks questions like a lawyer and not like a journalist. A lawyer only asks something that they know what the answer will be. A journalist DIGS and uproots.
We can only hope that the girl is alive and being cared for,and not being kept by people who use and deal drugs or continually lie,fight,fornicate or steal or live god forbid in a trailer or high school dropouts.Wait a minute!Thats what she had before.
DS in LA – I have to agree with you about the jewelry and leather outfits —
I was wondering the other night if they let her dress herself or if they have a wardrobe dept at HLN and they put that crap on her.
Working1…Oh, God forbid any professional wardrobe dept could be SO tasteless!!
Lol…thanks for writing!
marianne & DS in LA:
I understand that NG’s show last night was a recap of old info, and it is interesting to see all of the old clips with our knowledge now. Where I felt mislead were the commercials that made it sound like Ron and Misty would be appearing on the show.
I watch NG for attorney stuff and Jane Velez Mitchell for reporting stuff. I’ll be glued to the set watching NG when that slimeball Garrido that kidnapped Jaycee Duggard goes on trial.
I’m wondering if she is going to weigh in on the competency trial for that sleazebag that kidnapped Elizabeth Smart although I do hope if she does, she doesn’t splash too much of the stuff that Elizabeth doesn’t want to discuss (anymore than she absolutely has to in order to convict that perp) all over the screen but sticks to the statements that were made by her and will be made by others that indicate that he is just running a con when he breaks out singing, refuses a mental health exam etc.
Also, I have a question if anyone knows the answer it would be much appreciated. I watched the video of Misty’s polygraph and the person administering the test told her during the test when she was registering deception. Is this common practise to tell the person? I thought that this type of comment would taint the further responses by elevating her stress level. To me it just seems unprofessional, anyone have some knowledge of how these test should be conducted?
I think it’s time for someone to order up a tuna with extra pickles on it sandwich.
I miss Pickles, where is she?
nostradomus,
The fact that the doors cannot be locked or unlocked from the inside without a key leaves me puzzled? “Why not say, I must have forgotten to lock the door. I sure thought it was locked?” Why say you know for sure the door was locked unless you really think it was and are puzzled and wondering yourself how the heck someone got in?
As far as a pedophile watching in the boonies…that’s exactly what Garrido’s wife said he did. He watched Jaycee get off the school bus and came back the next day and grabbed her when she was alone. This was also in the boonies (Lake Tahoe). So SO’s do stalk even in the boonies…and if the SO was Tommy (Hank) or cousin Joe, they would know:
ron would be at work
Misty would be passed out from her three days with no sleep partying, etc.
and haleigh would have let them pick her up with no problem
I agree this looks like an inside job. I still say that watching a video on how to bump a lock would leave a lock looking completely untampered with too…even after opening the lock up.
ron to me looks the most suspicious regarding his actions after she went missing, but he is supposedly the one with an air tight alibi.
Let’s just say that it was a stranger (pedaphile) abduction like Garrido or Elizabeth Smart or Jessica Lundsford or Shawn Hornbeck…gosh it happens a lot doesn’t it?
But I digress, how the heck could they ever find her if that is the case if they spend all their time hammering away at airhead Misty? I’m just hoping that the PCSO is investigating more than one angle because sometimes LE can a serious case of tunnel vision.
OK my views on NG, I am very thankful she keeps going with the Haleigh story even though there is nothing new. My kids always get a new little tidbit when she recaps (they don’t keep up with Haleigh as much as I do). No, I can’t stand callers that have to tell NG they love her or how she goes on about the twins, I’m a very proud parent (&grandparent) but would not want their faces shown on TV for their own protection. But this is not about NG, twins or ratings its about HALEIGH……I say tell everyone, repeat it over & over, talk to Ron, Teresa, anyone, everyone..keep Haleigh’s story out there!!!! JMO
mariesilk,
I doubt polygraphs in general ever since I found out Ted Bundy passed one, but I agree. I would think calling someone a liar right in the midst of a polygraph could make them so nervous they register nervous as can be – hands sweating, trembling etc…the rest of the test even if they were telling the truth. I wasn’t impressed with the hypnotist either. I’ve seen much more effective stage hypnotists.
I think the hypnosis was a waste of time. The guy never even made sure she was under. I too have seen many stage shows and every time I try to get hypnotized and it never works on me, despite my best efforts. You can see her eyes moving behind her eyelids and when the hypnotists on stage would notice anyone do that they would come and tell you to leave the stage. I think the videos were more for show than anything else. A wasted opportunity if you ask me, even though they aren’t 100% accurate, properly conducted they could have been very telling.
Texasgoldegirl, I agree, and knowing that stealing is practiced heavily with Misty’s family, how hard is it to believe that at some point Tommy saw the keys, say on the coffee table, picked them up and on a beer run stopped and had a copy made, I have known people that have done this (have keys made without permission), it seems to be common among theives to target friends and family. So Ron could have locked the door when he left and then it be unlocked when he arrived home. Lets not forget Tommy was over there while the a/c repairman was there, the kids were playing together. I just think the Croslin men are guilty…JMO
who are these people
Bobby Wise, James Hall, Ashley Webb
Let’s please not also forget Lindsey Baum from WA state and missing GA mom Kristi Cornwell. She lived only 15 min from me. They both seemed to have disappeared from media coverage.
Also to address what keeps coming up about the locks on the trailer. I don’t know what source you have for stating that the lock needs a key to open from the inside. Here is the link to the walk through,
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/podcasts/nancygrace/site/2009/03/09/ng.cross.exam.03.09.cnn.html
look at the lock on the back door, the deadbolt only has a lever to turn to locked or unlocked, there is no key hole on the lock at all except on the door knob itself. So lets put it to rest already, the door could have been unlocked by anyone who got inside the trailer.
And there are plenty of times where children are taken from their homes with no one hearing anything. If this was a normal suburban family, that would not even be in question.
The back door does not have a key lock on the inside. It has a one-thumb turn lock, which is required for fire safety reasons in trailers. Watch Granny S. Video. There only needs to be key for outside to get in.
I HATE NG. She feels by her being “rude” she will make her guests look stupid, thus herself smarter. There is NO reason for that. I find her ignorant. And her show lacking in credibility because of it.
Her past guests have not returned to her show because she is a joke. Why do I watch her?? To keep updated on this story. And this story only.
The sound of her voice is sickening.
Why doesn’t she post pictures of her babies smiling? Would you be smiling if you were NG children?? I doubt it.
I will give her credit for keeping this story alive. That is all the credit I will give her.
BOLDONE3 – You summed it up. Ditto.
I can only think of three possible scenarios that might explain what we know. Here is one of them:
There was a plan. Person A made the plan. Person B altered the plan (possibly unbeknownst to Person A). There was a Person C involved in the plan. What Person C knew or did not know beforehand is a question.
I think that the fact that there were three different trails, going in three different directions, that the dogs hit on supports the idea that there was a plan.
I understand the theory that Misty left the door unlocked if she left the home. It is possible,but there was a red flag though in the 911 call. If Ron is not somehow involved or has no knowledge that Misty may have went out and left the children unattended, then why in the 911 call when the dispatch operator asked Misty if the door looked like someone tried to break in and she said no, why did Ron say yes it does! the lock is turned sideways. Did police arrive before he could break the lock? Le found no force of entry. Ron also told Cobra someone may have bumped the lock and Cobra disagreed.
I think Ron is just reacting to what he thinks the operator is saying. He may have thought they were asking if the door was locked and he is saying ‘no, it is turned sideways’ to the unlocked position.
What I find telling in the call is how angry he seems to be at Misty, his first reaction was to blame her. I think that may be why she sticks so firmly to her story so fiercely.
It is true that the photos of Nancy’s children never show them smiling! That is odd.
I used to LOVE her show but now it’s just NOT believable at ALL. She demeans her invited so called experts all the time. It just does not make sense. She needs to retire.
I remember the one Grandma saying she washed cloths and brought them over to Misty. Misty was out of soap, so how did Misty wash Haleigh’s blanket. And why would you wait that last to washed a kids blanket, that should of been done before bed time so it was clean and dry. The laundry room was full of dirty cloths, even the dryer had dirty cloths stored in it. This whole story does not make sence. Misty need to tell the truth.
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I WONDER IF HE WAS GONNA BREAK THE LOCK BUT MISTY FUDGED THAT WHEN SHE SAID NO IT WASN’T BOTHERED.
I think it is possible that Misty was genuinely surprised about the cinder block.
About the three trails the dogs hit on. The pond, the woods, and the railroad tracks. Does it strike anyone besides me that maybe that’s just a little bit too much?
I love Nancy Graces babies, and I love that she shows us pics of them. I think it is a miracle they survived, and I have enjoyed watching them grow up.
Even though NG is showing reruns and hash, she is keeping Haleighs name out there, and keeping her in the news. I think that is wonderful.
I also think with the high number of sex offenders in the area, they should be checked again and again, and probably should have been checked more thoroughly in the beginning. Remember Jessica was alive, and Coueys trailer was searched-they didn’t find her. He buried her in his yard. Have all the SO yards been checked? closets, floor spaces, under trailers? Sweeps done for her hair or DNA?
I also think Tommy and Joe need a MUCH closer look-they had access, they had means, and they possibly had motive. Maybe Misty was drugged? I believe it is a sure possibility.
Don’t like NG? Don’t like her show? Didn’t you ever learn how to change a channel?
Sorry but this is like a cow chewing her cud she stops a number of times then repeats thats the way this show is you would think the roof was falling in when it comes on with a loud everyone awake up here we come big bang then hear another repeat of moons ago.
Is this the best they can do if so change channels or better yet just read the news on computer.
Nancy rerun/Nancy rerun /nancy rerun
mariesilk,
I went up on stage one and deliberately pretended to be hypnotized because I wanted to refuse to do the stupid things they make you do like cluck like a chicken etc. I went through some of the motions and he kept me up there.
When it got to the part where he told me to do that, I just looked at him and said, “No, not gonna cluck like a chicken.”
I figured he would send me back down, but this guy was good. He said, “Your fighting it” but instead of sending me down offstage, he walked over to me and said, “You stutter etc.” I looked at him and said, “No, I don’t stutter.”
He then leaned over and whispered something in my ear. I did not “consciously” even hear what he whispered. The next thing I remember is “coming to” while still standing on my feet listening to the audience laughing. My friend in the audience said I stuttered like crazy for him. All I remember is a “time lapse” happened.
Slid right off my chair for him later too I was so “under”….
That guy could have had her under whether she fought it or not if he had been a really good hypnotist whether she was faking it or not.
He didn’t test her. Really, he didn’t test her to be sure she was really under and then if she wasn’t under, make sure she went under. Darn, and that would have so worked if they had gotten a really good hypnotist.
I watched NG last night and it was disappointing
to say the least.Did anyone see the interview
with the neighbor?He was an elderly man who said
he heard noise from the trailer that night but he never said the time??Maybe he can give a timeline that someone was home!
Pondering,
I agree. I think PCSO is terribly negligent about checking SO’s homes.
And to add insult to injury, Cobra got in hot water for cuffing one after the bonding company told him too…one that was hanging around the bug center….very suspicious activity obviously could have been trying to see where investigation was going and shouldn’t have been around children.
I will have no respect for PCSO unless they search every inch of that particular guys property.
If you know anything about mobile homes, you know the reason LE took the door completely out of the frame…
Simon, Jan, TJ and Cobra, God Bless you all.
I hope that you realize how much you are appreciated.I just have to say this against my better judgement but the one person that just gets me is “Mother Teresa”. She deserves an award for her performance on TV. She should wear a sign “Dont you go there if its about Ron or Misty”.
If the blanket was peed on,when was it peed on,since she was just going to lay down to sleep?What about the clothes she had on from the night before,were they peed on?What about the sheet she was sleeping on?When kids pee in the bed,the sheet,blankets and the clothes,all peed on.Everything smells like pee,wasn’t that noticed when she woke up for school that morning?
Lets also not forget about missing mom stacy peterson. but ok i been thinkin what were you guys doin when you were seventeen? i was partying raising hell and sleepin with a man with a child never once did i want to raise his kid or marry him or never did i keep that child cause i knew with every thing i was doin i was not capable 1st let me say haleigh is the number one victim in this case but also misty look at her own mother out stealin with her children let misty quit school so the girl has no education so she prob has no blue about life or how to raise a child now ron knew all this you tell someone about ur self when you get in a relationship so he is just as guilty for leavin his children in the care of a lost addicted to drugs never been shown the light teenager so if she is responsible he should get neglecting a child anyone agree
If Jr had slept on the bed earlier,when he woke up from a nap,he would have had to be changed from pee.All the bedding would have had to be changed,wouldn’t it have been noticed either that morning or that afternoon?
winter rose. i have kids and my son sees the bed yeah everything gets wet we had to even buy a new mattress so now we have trash bags covering the mattress and as far as urine smell it is strong dont take it long either i dont think the le done as much investigating as they should when they 1st arrived hell no one can even tell of if the washes was goin when law got there
O let of clarify something else not all people who live in trailers are drug addicts or piece of shit parents i had to live in one while my house was being built and its ok to be poor but you still bathe feed and clothe ur children its in how you live not how much money you have
ASh, Trash bags??
Why don’t you just buy a rubber mattress pad, they are not expensive and they prevent the urine from leaking on to the mattress.
Oh,I think they have Ashberry,it’s only because we’re not hearing it,people think they’re not.LE knows alot more and why only the parents have been cleared.
And all you mom and dads out there can you remember every small thing you do in one day how many of you work double shifts 6 days in a row and @ the end you come home in straight to bed and not put your pj on i an guilty how about when you are so tired your kids beat you up im guilty see anything like this can happen to any of up mayb not under same circumstances but it is something to think about
Thanks uproar i didnt know i guess you can say im ghetto in a way lol ill check into the mattress pad ! winter rose you would imagine that we could get a copy of police report you can with other cases i dont know about high profile tho
Junior could have wet the bed another time and all of the wet bedding could have gotten washed except that one blanket got over looked. Then when she went to put it over haleigh, realized it smelled like pee.
She always mentions that blanket smelling like pee and washing it and then putting it over Haleigh. It seems important for her to mention for some reason washing the blanket that smelled like pee. But I can’t see how that would matter one way or the other. I’m guessing she is just kind of bragging about how she was taking good care of her?
Well, I see Ass Berry is relating to Misty and defending her life style and trailer park living. Hmm.
Ash Berry, you asked what were you guys doing when you were seventeen.
Me, I graduated from high school in the month of May when I was 17, started a major University in August as I turned 18. I also worked for a State Law Enforcement Agency, hours 4-12 full time and attended college full time. I graduated with honors, even though I worked 40 hours a week. No kids, or husband. That came way later.
Far cry from Miss Misty. Fast forward 10 years for Misty and she will look exactly like her meth head Mama. Her teeth are already turning black.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
I got another question where did the shovel thing come from is it actually true or some more false reporting? if it is true how come we just now hearin about it any way you look at it good news or bad i hope they find haleigh before christmas i think of her an adji and all the missing moms and children when i pray for my kids @ night also they keep sayin misty mia she harm been charged yet so i reckon she can do what she wants for now
Ash Berry, forgive my typo, I didn’t mean to type out ass. Sorry.
Walmart sells water proof mattress pads. Invest in one, a lot cheaper than using garbage bags over and over again and a lot more sanitary.
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About the shovel, WESH reporter made an ERROR, she typed shovel in lieu of a gun. She really had some people going.
So, that’s that.
Uproar you got me wrong not defending her by any means what i was tryin to say is anyone that does those things should not be left to care for a child period do i think she knows what happened hell yeah i do that wont change till she is found and as far as what you were doin @ that age i commend you and you have up most respect it took of a while to get out of the mess i was in but i was raised about the same way them one day i realized i was better than that i just think ron bein the better parent and all should have had better judgement thats all
NG children were very premature and twins, at that, they will take several years to catch up to their age group. That may account for their heads appearing the way they do, but I think they are cute. I agree with the rest of you that I have winced about her putting them on display, so much. You never know who’s watching, anymore.
I would like to know if the Croslins’ have a past history of arrests for stealing, or if they were frantic to get out of town, because Misty was mentioning her brother’s name. I believe Lisa knows what happened because Misty said she called her mother that night, because she was so scared. They may have needed gas money to get out of town, fast.
Lisa Croslin may be the key to finding out what happened, because she doesn’t look very strong. It will really bother the rest of the family to see her sitting in jail, and they may be more willing to talk.
Thank you for clarifyin that for me now another thing is ron jr he was good when all this took place and he is a small child it is possible he could have been so traumatized that he blocked those memories and they will re surface sometime later in life not sayin that is the case just sayin maybe i had done that with a memory i had when i was 3 and asked my mom when i was about fifteen if it happened she said yeah so if they never find her mayb l8r in life he will be the key to solving this
Karon i agree with you i dont think people pick up a stealin habit overnight tin but i do think this fam of retards know whats goin on. and about nancy displayin her children sure idiot really i dont know about where you all live but when you have a baby here they tell you not to put it on display cause people are watchin for that
Another thing did le just bring cadiver dogs to the site where misty said the rose was and where the former agent/psychic said the body was or did they take shovels and dig ? how far can them dogs detect in the woods and how long does it take for dirt to look un disturbed with all the rain we been havin? does anyone know he the fan is actually lookin or are they on stand by?
There is a place of business called Rose Concrete near Satsuma, and on google map you can see a pond nearby. Maybe the rose isn’t a flower, and what if the wrong pond was drained.
Thats interesting kat maybe you are right but i read or heard somewhere they found a plastic rose but mayb someone planted it so they wouldn look where you are talkin bout i wish they would look if it was my daughter i would but le only have so much funds and resources and with that family living there doin drugs and stealin seems their employees tied up to who knows just want her found
Kat that is interesting. I think that is worth looking into. Does anyone know if the Chad that alledgedly had this party is the same chad, along with another guy named Marcus, that told Geraldo that Ron said he was 75% sure who had Haleigh?
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/02/nancy-grace-misty-cummings-back-in-satsuma-tips-flop/
Art Harris.com The Bald Truth 10-2-09
“Exclusive: Misty Cummings Back With Haleigh’s Dad” by Art Harris”
To UpRoar (6:41 p.m.): Agree with you re Misty looking like her mom “down the road”!
Congratulations to you on making wise choices after graduating from high school. I admire you for working your way through college and being an honor graduate. I was an honor grad also and I know the hard work it takes to accomplish that goal!
Well did ron ever say the name of the person he was almost certain havin his daughter? weird he i was even a small chance sure id b sayin a name
No,you’re thinking of Chad,Crystal’s bf and Marcus,her brother.The party was another Chad in Putnam.
we think….lol
Batherton, “Mother Teresa” as you call her, is possibly concerned that she is under scrutiny for how she “enabled” her son (if it is reported correctly) to break the law by bringing his underage girlfriend under her roof.
In the State I originally came from such an action COULD have been construed as contributing to the delinquency of a minor. I am not as familiar with the laws of Florida, however, so anyone who wants to enlighten me, please do so. It would at the least call into question her judgment.
As for IQ, she doesn’t strike me as being particularly stupid.
I remember when my kids were teenagers, I put a sign on the bathroom wall. It said, “If you are old enough to have sex, you are old enough to be a parent. If you are ready to be a parent, you can’t be the child any more.” A MAN is supposed to take care of his own family.
Regardless, that might not be the only reason she’s so staunchly standing by Ron and Misty. Does anyone know if her whereabouts are accounted for during the “unaccounted for hours” when Healeigh went missing? And isn’t she the one that dropped off the laundry?
Of course, it might simply be more enabling.
Amazing how Ron cries just like his mom isn’t it?
Althea it was Great grandma Sykes who dropped off the laundry. Thanks for clearing up which Chad. No, Ron never said whom he thought had Haleigh. He denied ever stating that comment. I have not heard Teresa Neves’s alibi. I do agree she has and is enabling.
Hi, alethea (8:29 a.m.)!
Teresa’s mom, Ron’s grandmother – A. Sykes, dropped off the laundry at Ron’s home. I think she stated Haleigh and Jr. were on the porch eating.
Thanks Sharyn for sharing in my sentiment on NG.
First, I understand its not nice to say someone’s baby is UGLY, but I call it as I see it. There is nothing wrong with those twins. They have developed fine. The only problem they have is how their mother exploids them in public. I understand her love for them, but safety should always come first. Shame on her.
Besides, who cares??
Lot’s of speculation once again on the blogger. No facts No arrests!! Lot’s of speculation………..
We wait and see what we hear from TJ, Cobra and until then we just don’t know who or what happened.
I pray we can bring her home.
If she was thrown in a pond or lake, what are the chances the alligators didn’t eat her for a meai, and we will never find her??
One more thing that DOES puzzle me. No laundry was done in the home that night. No soap. Ron confirmed this to LE. Why is he sticking my Misty’s story that laundry was done??
Not in defense of anyone but I had 3 children in 3 years and there were lots of times when I didn’t make it to the store before I ran out of laundry detergent….I either used shampoo or dishwashing liquid in emergencies, so the lack of laundry detergent isn’t really an issue for me and frankly if Misty had been out drugging she may have just made up the no detergent excuse so great grandma would do it, after all she is 17 and at that age the least housework the better.
Does anyone know what happened to Tommy/Hank? Was he actually pulled over and arrested the other night?
To me, Lisa doesn’t look like she is a stranger to jail (sorry if that sounds crass), so if their strategy is to get her to talk – it might not work.
Thanks, Justice, for clearing up who the “laundry fairy” was!
Yes, it does seem odd that the more Ron defends Misty, the worse it looks for her.
Ashberry,
If Ron knew who took his daughter,she’d be home right now.
Another week with nothing accomplished yet. Misty back in town was about it for this week but I’m checking in when will we get a bombshell in this story.
Winter rose: i was only commenting on a clog b4 mine when they said ron stated that he was 75 percent sure who took his daughter i was askin for clarification on that
I still think mistys brother had something to do with it sounds like he knows how to break in to places and he could have easily taken her with no problems cause she knew him.
One thing for sure some one in that fam took her they said misty fam lived near by thats y ron supposedaly called him to c about misty when she wouldn answer he prob watched her leave and them went over there and got haleigh he might have threw somethin of hers in the dumpster is y dogs picked up scent hell we never know anyone ever figure out y there was a chair in middle of woods
I think Ron, and probably LE, thought cousin Joe was involved given what had allegedly gone on. Joe steals gun, Misty and Lindsy find gun, Joe and Ron have words, Joe makes threats aimed at Ron, HaLeigh disappears, Joe leaves town.
To me that is what any normal person would think.
BUT now I believe it was not Joe that took Ron’s gun that was found at Tommy’s house. It was probably Tommy and Joe got blamed for it.
Tommy is bad news.
So Hank Sr was up all night reporting (several times) to LE that his 140 Loratabs had been stolen. I can’t wait to see that Police Report.
I wonder how long it will take for him to try to blame that one on Ron and Misty.
He prob ate em all or sold them to get his wife some spending money in jail 🙂 just tryin to get another prescription people are sick
NG did this on the Caylee case too, they will run this show on the holidays comming up so we’ll get to see it again and again. Grrrrr TJ love you man you have standing.
All these complaints about Nancy Grace. Yes I agree her show sometimes really gets to me especially when there is so much repetition. But remember she is keeping Haleighs Face out there and Haleigh is the MAIN FIGURE
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