On yesterdays radio program we played a couple of audio clips that came into our possession some time ago. When we first received them they were immediately forwarded to PCSO. At the time they did not appear to have much relevancy and so they have languished on our hard drives for some time. In the light of the recent drug bust of Misty Croslin, Tommy Croslin, and Ronald Cummings maybe these clips are more relevant than we originally thought.
Even more interesting are the PCSO comments on the tapes. They are saying absolutely nothing. That in itself speaks volumes. It is almost as if they do not exist.
Do they help find Haleigh Cummings, probably not. What they do though is provide is yet more evidence (albeit indirect) of Misty’s long involvement with drugs. Unless I am much mistaken these audio files surfaced around the same time as that mysterious Nay Nay Pravat letter.
We have decided to release the tapes in their entirety, we make no claims about the usefulness of the information in the search for Haleigh Cummings we will leave that determination up to you. Neither can we vouch for the truthfulness of the information contained in them.
These conversations are between William Cobra Staubs and a lady identified only as Barbara. The recordings were made at a hotel in Palatka.
(Warning Strong Language)
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thanks simon, say hi to jan for me
Thanks,Simon,Jan,TJ and rest of panel.
Whereas you stated these audio clips may have no bearing at all on Haleighs disappearance, but it could be very relevant.
I pray this is not the case. I cannot even begin to imagine what happened to Haleigh or possibly is still happening. This just turns my stomach.
Maybe Hank Sr. was not lying that Ron said he could get Haleigh back if he had 35,000 since Ron allegedly owed at least 27,000 to these big time drug dealers.
If these clips have any bearing on this case this means Ron was indirectly involved in his daughters disappearance. Misty only has the info of what happened. She would not know where or maybe whom took Haleigh. This has me questioning if this were the case why would Ron not tell LE? Would he be charged if this is the case? would he receive a stiffer charge if this lead to his daughters demise? Was he informed that Haleigh would not be returning and that is why he got the tattoo of Haleigh on his leg?
I wonder if LE got Charles Jones to get close to Misty to get info,Since he was mentioned to be a high time dealer also.
Donnie Spells, Christina Prevatts father of her daughter, A high time dealer friends with the people Ron burned, this is interesting. Amber Brooks, was reported to have been dating Donnie Spells some months back. Amber Brooks was also reported to have borrowed Christinas car and got it stuck somewhere.
After seeing the summation of this, I would like the other side of the family to have taken Haleigh!!
lfj, I hope the other side did in fact take Haleigh.
I am not one to jump to conclusions but I really do not like hearing what I THINK I am hearing on tape 2. I haven’t listened to them all yet. I get too emotional and have to take breaks.
Tape 1, I got nothing from. I really could not understand more than a word or two here and there.
So according to the tapes and some of what I heard is Ron ripped off a big guy of Donny Spells people for $26, 000. Donny holds NayNays baby over her head to control her. Ron, Misty and his parents have something to do with drugs. They did it to hurt all of them?
Charles jones name keeps popping up? Jerome I feel is scared of the big guys Ron ripped off at least thats what I got out of it. Man this is getting very intense. jmo
Those audios were interesting.Lord if it is a drug deal gone bad.I doupt they ever see Haliegh again.Of coures these people could just be thinking this,with in their hood.
every one has a theary.
Old Cobra fits right in.No wonder he is a good hunter lol.Now i know why he talks so bad.He just has to learn when he comes away from that crowd.To change his speach for the public lol.Hey hes brave-gota give him that.
Who was the woman that they sad got whipped about 10 times a month? What a mess.Why wasnt a drug task force cleaning this mess up long ago? Sounds like theres been dealing in drugs in Putnum,an surrounding cos.for yrs.I read not long ago where a black man was speeding towards putnum co line. LE got after him.He jumped from speeding rental car,it hit a tree.An that man ran on foot.LE found exceptional amount of pot,in trunk .Dogs were brought out.man caught wasnt caught at that time..He had dark pants on,an no shirt.well gotta run.
Simon & Jan,i do love your show.An glad you have inside con.so we can hear these audios.Tell your friends,an for you to.Keep up the good work.Maybe this case will one day be solved.
Poor little Haliegh.Bless her heart.They knew she was Rons baby girl,an some dirty bas—d took her.My heart breaks for her.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in March 8th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Tried to listen to them… I feel as frustrated as I do with the media and their releases.
Will have try to make it all out… with headphones!
It would be alot easier if Simon would just tell us what he heard on tapes since so many of us can’t make out the words.
I think all this is about nothing..signing off.
Cathartic, I pray this is not the case. This is horrific. Haleigh is a beautiful little girl. They should have took it up with the one who burned them, not this innocent angel!!!!!!
Cobra needs to go for voice lessons,sounds like badabuttabadabutta mush.:)I think I can understand the druggies better than him.It’s very disturbing for him to mention God when most of what he says is smack.
I agree the 26/27,000 owed to dealer-then i to thought of what had been said about 35,000.Could it be thats why Ronald makes the threats openly.He thinks its these drug dealers,he (may have ripped off).An knows they will hear the news.But Misty may have not been with Ronald at the time he ripped them off.Hadnt she only been with him around 4 mo.?
Oh My this case-an thoughts of what could have happened.Sends shivers up my spine.Could that be why Ronald told undercover,about he believed that a drug deal gone bad the person would have everyone killed (Misty,Ron Jr ,an Haliegh.)Just not take Haliegh. It would seem strange they would just take Haliegh!! This is upset me,ill have to go check my blood pressure.Just the thought of it.
this wasn’t a drug deal i agree with what ron said they would wipe the whole family out misty ron jr haleigh maybe grandma sykes and mama and leave em for ron to find not take a 5 yr old i also do not buy the theory that haleigh was curious and just put something in her mouth and died she was almost six past the age of were kids do that a 2 yr old maybe but i highly doubt a almost six yr old would do that especially swallow it on her own when it tasted horrible my theory misty gave it to her or did something else to her and haleigh is no longer on this earth but she is with caylee marie
Looking for Justice> you ask some good questions!!
lfj,
It’s hard to say what to think about any of the tapes. They could just be a few people talking out their _______. I have not found too many people on either side of the family, as well as extended family and associates, that I would take at their word on ANYTHING.
I think that LE didn’t say don’t release the tapes either because they know it’s all bull, or (and I hope this is not the case) they are not really investigating Haleigh’s disappearance thoroughly. I don’t want to think that, but we all know of cases that have gone cold due to inadequate investigation from the get-go.
I want this baby found. She is one of the innocents. I want to believe LE cares about her.
April, I thought that too. But if they wiped the whole family out it would definitly point to the drug dealers and cause a slow down in their activities.Sad to say they hurt Ron bad for what he did and also made an example out of him for everyone else in the area. He cant roll on them if he wants everyone else to stay safe too. Misty was in on this too you can bet she knows everything too. jmo
Chat with everyone soon,ive got to run out.
I dont know what to think.But someone took Haliegh.
For drug money owed-
or because of the 12,000 owed.
Or because a pervert wanted a little girl.
I dont see a druggie,as valuable as pills are to them.Giving a child some.Thats money to them,or a high.
I dont see Misty beating her to death either.
But one things for sure -shes been gone a yr,with out a trace!!!
LE wants Ron or Misty to name the drug dealer who did this. Ron knows who he ripped off and so does Misty. Tell em talk or rot in jail. jmo
I wonder if RC owed money could be the reason he was taking Crystal to court for delinquent child support. It seems odd he would let her get so far behind before taking legal action to collect. Just a thought.
Hi Cathartic,
Ron wasn’t taking Crystal to court, the State was. Ronald didn’t file a complaint about non-payment of child support.
What worries me in what I could hear on the tapes was Donny having custody of a child, I’d like for DCF to investigate.
Also, Charles Jones? There’s that name again!
I’m with you Cathartic. I don’t like what I hear. Why wouldn’t the police listen to all of this and bust up into these “hotels” and look behind walls and in basements, or even back yard sheds to find little Haleigh. WHY ISN’T THERE MORE MOVEMENT ON THIS!? I’ll tell you why, because one or some of the Palatka police officers are dirty, and in on whatever happened to Haleigh just as much as the rest. They’ve sought Misty out and thrown her butt in jail, because it makes them look like they’re doing something. If I’m wrong, then I want LE to bust up into these joints looking for Haleigh.
Don’t be talking bad about Cobra neither. He has to talk their language and it takes a brave man to go down there and talk to these people face to face. You think these people will talk to someone who sounds like he’s came right off Wallstreet? H NO!
OK, TY Noreen. I wasn’t sure how it was done there.
Shockwave, I was not talking bad about Cobra. I have a huge amount of respect for him, always have. I meant the others being taped, not him.
I’m with you Cathartic. I don’t like what I hear. Why wouldn’t the police listen to all of this and bust up into these “hotels” and look behind walls and in basements, or even back yard sheds to find little Haleigh. WHY ISN’T THERE MORE MOVEMENT ON THIS!? I’ll tell you why, because one or some of the Palatka police officers are dirty, and in on whatever happened to Haleigh just as much as the rest. They’ve sought Misty out and thrown her butt in jail, because it makes them look like they’re doing something. If I’m wrong, then I want LE to bust up into these joints looking for Haleigh.
Don’t be talking bad about Cobra neither. He has to talk their language and it takes a brave man to go down there and talk to these people face to face. You think these people will talk to someone who talks like he came right off Wall Street? H NO!
Sorry, my 2nd paragraph was not in reference to you cathartic. I know it may have seemed like it was.
OK, just wanted to be sure I was not being misunderstood. 🙂
JMO.
I hope no one discounts these tapes just yet.
I think they are relevant and there are alot of us who have thought since the beginning of HaLeigh’s disappearance that it was a drug deal gone bad and that R was the one who owed the debt.
For those of you who never were involved in drugs in your younger days, I commend you. Unfortunately, I got mixed up in the wrong crowd for awhile back in the 60’s (hippie days, lol) and know all too well what big time drug dealers do when people don’t pay their debt. They wouldn’t come in and kill the whole family. They would, however, take something from the person who owed the debt that would mean more to that person than anything else…”their heart”. That’s how these scum handle “debt”. Killing the debtor is too easy. But taking something from that person that is precious in their heart hurts more than anything. It’s about making a statement.
I would prefer to think someone took HaLeigh and they are taking care of her, but 2 plus 2 does not equal 5. It has never made sense that if R was not somehow involved that he would be willing to protect Misty or anyone else if he thought it was an accident or other. WHY would he?? HaLeigh WAS his heart.
I think Misty is the one scared to talk. I think she knows exactly who took HaLeigh and why. “When someone puts a gun in your mouth, huh uh, I’m not talking”. She has been threatened, in my opinion, and she is protecting R.
Again, JMO. Hopefully, a lot of us are wrong.
Remember in the enhanced 911 tape R says “we f*****. I didn’t have anything to do with this”. I took this to mean he was telling Misty what she BETTER say…
If this is what really happened to Haleigh it wasnt the people in Satsuma but the people who were supplying Satsuma. Haleigh if and its a big if shes alive she wouldnt be in Satsuma.
Even Jerome says he isnt the big seller he is just the little guy. Ron and Misty peed off the real big people and you can bet thats why they were all sleeping in one room. And why Ron has a carry conceal gun. And thats why he totally derailed the investigation and got upset when Geraldo brought up the drugs.
This must have happened close to that weekend.
Why did LE discount all of this info? Maybe they didnt and thats why Ron and Misty are ehind bars right now. If they came in to the hood they could cause a drug war and alot of people could have been hurt. jmo
Shockwave, we really do not know if LE listened and disregarded the info, or found it useful. LE never indicated either way, and apparently did not ask that the tapes be kept confidential until they had a chance to review them.
I am viewing this apparent lack of interest on the part of LE with concern because I once tried to turn over potential evidence in a case, and LE couldn’t have cared less. I do not want that to be the case with Haleigh.
One thing is for sure. Now that the tapes are out Satsuma and the surrounding areas are gonna be really nervous. Donny Spells better hide and some of the other people mentioned have gone underground. If you notice NayNay, Amber, and others have been awfully quiet or have gone somewhere else. JMO
tobias said,in March 8th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
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EXACTLY, tobias!
You got it!
If RC has $26,000 from the Big Dealer then where is it? What did he do with it? If RC is such a big seller, why was he only selling 18-35 pills at a time to the UC officer? Why did he owe rent on MH? It doesn’t make sense.
However, DCF need to go and save NayNay’s baby.
Is Charles Jones the BIG dealer?
Not to whine – but to whine…I wish there was a written transcript or summary of the tapes. I have tried headphones, etc… and I only hear bits and pieces. I agree with Noreen that the 18 – 25 pill exchange does not seem that hard-core.
I know this is not the theory that most people want to hear. We’d all much rather think HaLeigh is alive and thriving and happy. The drug debt theory leaves no room for that possibility, so we would rather “throw it out”.
I’m a realist, not an idealist, and I just don’t think R would “protect”, much less marry someone who he thought had ANYTHING to do with the disappearance of his “heart”.
Maybe the bad guys threatened R and M both by saying “if you tell anyone anything, we’ll kill HaLeigh”. They would have to be pretty naive to think these scum would actually hold this child hostage for over a year. I just don’t know. JMO
cathartic said,in March 8th, 2010 at 12:56 pm Shockwave, we really do not know if LE listened and disregarded the info, or found it useful. LE never indicated either way, and apparently did not ask that the tapes be kept confidential until they had a chance to review them.
I am viewing this apparent lack of interest on the part of LE with concern because I once tried to turn over potential evidence in a case, and LE couldn’t have cared less. I do not want that to be the case with Haleigh.
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Good points Cathartic, why didn’t PCSO investigate the sightings that were reported to them. Why did they leave the door? UGH Where is Haleigh?
Tobias – why didn’t I ever put that together? That makes complete since. That they all slept in the same room for a reason, and the gun necessity. Your thought made me think of another thought…this is also why R was worried when he could not get in touch with M.
cathartic – I’m not saying whole-heartedly that LE is corrupt. I’m just saying, why aren’t they out there looking in all of these “propagation” hotels, and elsewhere. How many times was there a “confession” on the tapes Cobra had about drugs , where LE could have legally requested a search warrant and carried it out. Can’t the FBI, CIA whatever, plant a bug in these places.
Noreen, It may have been drugs he stole not the actual money. It has been a year and he hasnt been getting drugs anywhere but from his own stash. That could be the noises on the 911 tape of Ron getting his drugs hidden before LE came. jmo
Tobias – are these tapes just now being released for the first time?
First time to us but LE had them and TJ had them too. jmo
$26,000 in drug debt, in my opinion, would NOT be for pills. It would be much bigger than that.
Sometimes drug dealers front the drugs to the little guys to sell. Then they want their money. Problem is, sometimes the “little guys” DO their profit themselves. Thus, running up a huge bill that cannot be paid back. JMO
Keepitreal, Cocaine and Roxies would be my guess on what was being sold. jmo
When you listened to the show and not just the audio, Barbara starts off by saying that she thinks or knows people have given a child to drug dealers before, in order to pay back debts. Is this why R and M were working on selling drugs to make cash? In the drug bust video, what was it the UC cop asked R? Something about is this a good retirement plan for you? Then R, said something to the affect, “or something.” I’m gonna try to listen again. Be back shortly.
Tobias, Do you think this is how the Croslin van got damaged by moving the drugs out of the home?
The FBI need to be WORKING this case. This is a joke. I thought MG requested the FBI to take over?
They need to drag NayNay, Amber, White boy Greg, CHARLES JONES, Donny Salles, Barbara Freeman et al to an interogation room and question them over and over and over again.
I still don’t see where the $26,000 went to.
No, excuse me, that was a caller who said she thinks that there is a known sex predator who is taking children for some reason. But Barb is essentially saying that the child was taken because R owes money.
Tobias,
If RC stole roxies and oxies where are they, did he re-sell them?
tobias said,in March 8th, 2010 at 1:27 pm Keepitreal, Cocaine and Roxies would be my guess on what was being sold. jmo
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Agree, tobias. I’ve always leaned more toward cocaine, as this type of debt is certainly not really huge for that drug. Or even marijuana. If sold in pounds, that’s not a cheap deal either.
Shockwave, Ron and Misty took 200 pills to sell for the UC. Ron said if he couldnt sell them he could make enough money to (eat them himself) pay for them. UC says retirement plan and Ron says no but a good kick( money to play with).If you go back and listen to what WBG says Ron went in and stole from a smaller drug dealer waving around a gun. It was also mentioned early on that someone overheard Misty complaining about getting bad drugs.
So many stories came out about their drug activity in the beginning and everyone (even NG) discounted what a bunch of druggies would know. jmo
In one interview, either WBG or Nay Nay, it was stated that the 3 day binge Misty went on consisted of sex, pills AND cocaine, so I don’t think this was a “new” drug to M or R.
Then we heard for ourselves on the UC tape R telling the UC that he liked the “powder” and liked to get high.
We all know “powder” is cocaine.
Charles Jones said on the Levi Page Show that he has talked to LE on numerous occasions. Perhaps he needed some charges to be dismissed and chose to get close to Misty for info and shared it with LE. Remember Charles Sr. telling Ron on Mistys voice mail that he knows exactly what happened to his daughter.
Justice put up a link a couple of months ago for the FBI most wanted and Haleigh is on there. Telling everyone if they see Haleigh do not try to do anything themselves but to contact the the U.S. embassy or whatever that foundation is called. Warning these people that may have Haleigh are dangerous.
Yes, I did look that up. Ron says, “not a retirement plan, but an extra kick”. But he says it softly and his voice slowly gets even lower, like he would not really be using it as money to play around with.
Shockwave,
LE may very well be doing all the things you say they should be doing. They may very well have listened to these tapes and got info from them. They may have surveillance on other people. They are not telling us anything, but that does not mean they are not doing anything.
I have seen corrupt LE, oh yeah…but I also have seen some exceptional efforts on the part of LE.
I think we all just have to wait and see what happens next.
The sad thing is drug dealers arent the type to keep kids. And Ron and Misty know that. And they are not safe in general population ever, drug dealers can get them even there. That is if this is what really happened. We still have no proof it really is. jmo
Cathartic and Tobias I agree with both of your post.
Iwas remembering back and on one show Cobra talks about being scared and sitting in his garage. I wonder if this is when he gave the tapes to LE and TJ Hart? Notice how he is really freaked after he talks to Jerome, he got in deep alright and just to help find Haleigh. No wonder his girlfriend bailed out too. JMO
I know, I know. They just are not moving fast enough, and I really doubt if they had her that they still do. I’ve thought from the beginning this whole thing was drug related, but it may not have even happened like this. This Barb person may be another pawn to throw everyone off track, or she could just be crazy. Years of having to work for a pimp in order to pay off a debt can do this to a person. Maybe she was kidnapped a long time ago, just like maybe Haleigh was.
Anyone remember the poly questions that were released by TM? Misty scored like a 40% they said it meant she did not know the person who took Haleigh from the mh and failed the rest because she knows what happened up to that point.
I feel Barb is afraid for NayNay. And since she has been in the life and is 50 I tend to believe she has seen and heard alot of what is happening. Like she says she and her friends only come to Satsuma to sleep it off, she parties somewhere else.jmo
I got the feeling she was afraid for Nay Nay too.
looking for Justice said,in March 8th, 2010 at 1:57 pm Anyone remember the poly questions that were released by TM? Misty scored like a 40% they said it meant she did not know the person who took Haleigh from the mh and failed the rest because she knows what happened up to that point.
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I agree, lfJ! The big guys don’t go do their own dirty work, lol. They send one of their croanies to do it for them..for a small “fee”. So M probably knows WHY HaLeigh was taken, if this theory is true, but doesn’t know exactly the person who actually came in and took her out of the MH. JMO
Well, this may mean nothing, but I remember Misty saying, “Why didn’t they take me? I could have fought them. What would they want with a 5-year-old child?”
But it could also be a generic “they” as in “whoever took her.”
cathartic said,in March 8th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
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Bingo, cathartic!
Great insight.
I wonder what the percentage was when the question was asked about Rons involvement? This is where TJ Ward said she showed she was not sure, but swore Ron had nothing to do with Haleighs disappearance. If this would be the case of what happened then he would not have done anything directly to Haleigh; it would be indirect do to his illegal activities.
good point! Cathartic
Great discussion, but I must run for a little while . See you all later. GODS SPEED! PRAYING FOR THIS LITTLE ANGEL!!
LFJ, I just watched the voice test and you are correct she was 40% deceptive to Rons involvement. And wow that statement about the blanket and pee is so intense almost crazy.
Why no mention of the visit from GGM Sykes???
I have always found that odd. And why the gun in the mouth statement at the end? She says 4 peole first then goes back to 3. She slips and says Tommy was there that night. In my opinion she knows everything…… JMO
Okay,listen up!! This is THE TRUTH.
When a big drug deal goes wrong and the top dealer doesn’t get his money, this is usually what happens: THEY WOULD NOT have anyone KILLED; they have NOTHING TO GAIN by doing that; INSTEAD, what they do is kidnap a loved one, especially a child if there is one, and hold them for RANSOM.
This is common factual inside knowledge.
Here is a chilling fact: This is how it is done: the people who dealers use to “hold” the child are called GUARDIANS. There are even houses set up where they live. Who the GUARDIANS are and THE LOCATIONS are ONLY known to certain chosen higher ups.
The lower dealers are typically the messengers that warn the person that owes.
Unfortunately, however long it takes, that person and their ransom is held…that is the insurance that the high up dealer gets his money, and that’s all he wants. The main motive is to continue to hold this over the debtor’s head, so obviously it keeps that debtor motivated to pay off that debt.
Killing the debtor,their loved ones,or family would not get that dealer and his business that money he’s owed.
THAT IS THE TRUTH. ENOUGH SAID.
IF this is the scenario, then that means there’s hope that HaLeigh is still alive; yet I have my doubts about the care she would be getting all this time from the “guardians”.
Reminds me of the movie “Man on Fire” with Dentzel Washington and Dakota Fanning. Exactly what happened…
Ronfan, So you are telling us drug dealers babysit kids till their parents come up with the money? I have never heard of any body being returned in the news? Where did you get this information? Have you forgotten poor S. Davis already? jmo
WOW…all of this has my head spinning but you guys are really on a roll! Everyone is making excellent points and all of the pieces seem to fit! This theory actually allows all the facts that we know to date fall right into place from the call to Misty that night, sleeping together in one room, Ron carrying a concealed weapon, why he seems to cover for Misty (because she knows about his major drug deals) and why he married her, why they are still hanging out together, all of the comments that have been made, why Nay Nay has fallen silent…..the comments about “Larry” and the “$26,000″……It could also explain why LE had all these folks behind bars. They may be about to make a major bust and they wanted these folks safely behind bars and out of their way.
And while we’re all frustrated with the Satsuma LE…IF the FEDS are involved due to some big time drug busts about to go down…they could be telling the small town LE to stand down and stay out of the way. That may be why we don’t see a lot of movement and why they can’t and don’t say much. This could be bigger than we know! But if this IS truly the correct scenario I don’t see that Haleigh would still be with us. They would have snuffed her out and dumped her a long time ago. She would have been dead as soon as they got her out of there and that breaks my heart to think about.
tobias said,in March 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm Ronfan, So you are telling us drug dealers babysit kids till their parents come up with the money? I have never heard of any body being returned in the news? Where did you get this information? Have you forgotten poor S. Davis already? jmo
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Right, Tobias. Only heard of this in the movies, lol, where there is a “good” ending in these cases!
I say if she is gone find em and fry em. jmo
JB, glad you’re here!
Some of the pieces of the puzzle definitely come together with this theory, and LE said they only need one piece to complete the “puzzle”. Could this one piece be WHO R owed money to for the debt..WHO would have taken HaLeigh out of the home?
JMO
Remember the little boy that was stolen over drug deals and was returned alive? The kidnappers took him to Mexico and he was found wandering the streets there, alone. That was only a week or two after he was taken, but it is one case where the child came home alive.
KeepItReal – How are ya? 😀
I’m trying to think of all the facts that we know and NONE of them thus far contradict this theory. This HAS to be what happened. As much as I’d like to think RonFans theory is correct about “guardians”…I think they more than likely would have killed Haleigh with a message to Ron that “your son is next, then your mama, then your girlfriend, then YOU”. I think Ron and Misty’s family know who these people are….heck, I bet LE knows who they are too…..but I bet the Feds will have to be brought in (if they aren’t involved already) to take care of it. I’m about positive this crosses county and perhaps even state borders.
Does anyone know whether Donny Spells has been questioned recently? Hope he knows he is being talked about and tells all before he gets silenced (if he knows anything about this).
I was wondering why NayNay hasnt been in jail lately. And Amber B. took off right after she got clear of her charges too.HMMM. JMO
Cathartic – well, you’ve got a point….he was still alive…but they could also sell her….to get back some of their $…. a lot of freaks out there who would LOVE to get their hands on a pretty little girl. Sex slave trade is huge too. A lot of possibilities. BUT, if their is a fraction of a chance this baby is alive, LE needs to GET CRACKIN’….NOW!! 👿
JB said,in March 8th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
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JB, I agree with everything you said!
Is this the missing piece of the puzzle? Is this why M and R NEEDED to be behind bars because more arrests are forthcoming?
Oh JB, I have certainly thought of that, many times over the past year. She could very easily be out of the country.
I have also considered that Ron and Misty were arrested not only so they would talk, but for their own protection.
What has ticked me off when we saw Donnie S bookings that he would get custody of that child.Especially since around that time his kid was arrested for some things.What kind of dept would put a child in that environment?The poor child is better off with neither parent.He got NayNay pregnant when she was so young,he should have gotten in trouble then,but they turn around and give him the child?GMAB Charles J has tried too hard this whole time to throw any suspicion off of himself,IMO.What Cobra said in that audio about getting Misty in jail on a high bond until she talks is exactly what they’ve done.
I agree they need to investigat,about Nay Nay baby.
I like old Cobra.at least hes brave enough to go into shady places an check stuff out.Hes Richard Grunds friend.That had the son who Casey had dated before.
Why hasnt that place been cleaned up,by LE Before now.It sounds like theres been drug dealing going on for a long time where Cobra was investigating at.
I thought Misty had only been with Ronald 4 months? But then she could have been hanging with these people before him.
I agree about those grounds,the walls,sheds ,an every thing on that property should be checked.Did LE not search this area? An if not why?
Hank Croslin told Tommy,that Misty had changed sence running with Nay Nay,an that crowd.On jail visit video.
Dang…gotta get some work done…I WILL check back later! Man, I sure hope the end is in sight for this case and our little angel is about to be brought home…bless her little heart and soul! Keep up the good sleuthing folks….bbl
In my opinion Ron has thought this through since he tells the UC that story. He knows what happened and he knows if it gets out he is in danger. He also knew from the beginning if he went after them they would kill him. If he went to LE and told what he did he would go to jail also and snitches dont make it far in jail. This could also be why no one is talking now. Remember GGMSykes said be careful they got snitches in thar with ya. JMO
Right, Tobias, they probably feel much safer behind bars right now.
Drug dealing, even in a small town, is a dangerous game..even for the “penny ante” dealers.
This is serious stuff, but has always tugged at my mind because it just seemed to be the only thing that added up.
She sounds to me like another junkie,a nd a very bad one at that. Junkies lie, make things up, are deceitful. I don’t believe a word she says.
If she was saying it about Crystal you would believe every word.
cathartic
I’ve considered that also,but some other things with that scenario we can talk about later when this is done playing out.And this is why that whole Geraldo show was the dumbest thing that could have ever been done in this case to date,how stupid,duh!Even if it wasn’t,just the chance it could be,put HaLeigh in more danger than she was at any point.
Keepitreal, From the beginning I thought it was all Misty and I thought Ron was clean because of his job. I thought her actions from that weekend led to this. That whatever she did followed her home. And with her brother being a drug user and robber I suspected him too. But after Ron kept defending her , married her, kept in contact with her and was arrested with her, I feel so sad for how Haleigh and Junior lived. I hope that they find out what really happened and the person(s)
who took her pay. JMO
cathartic said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:14 pm If she was saying it about Crystal you would believe every word.
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Wrong. I have Marie & Chad & Crystal as equal favorite with Tommy & the Croslins to be responsible. I have never believed a junkie saying anything about any of them.
Some of us have had to work with junkies, and we know what they are like….they are liars. The rest of you want to believe anyone and everything said bad about Ron and you don’t care if the source is reliable or not. You will not hear me quote one junkie in support of any theory I have re Crystal, Chad or Tommy. Nice try to discredit me though.
But,things were being put out in video and audio online that LE had already been doing,they had already interviewed WBG,Amber and NayNay.They had already been working on catching Jerome and that bunch arrested with him.I don’t blame them for being angry about everything they were working on put out online.It sounds like they kept saying stop and it wasn’t.Is that what happened or just what it appears to be,it gave bloggers info,but at what price?
tobias said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
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tobias, you and I are always on the same page!
WinterRose, LE did not say stop. They never said do not release those tapes. TJ handed them over to LE as soon as he got them, and they never replied yes they are important or no they are not important.
They may not be important at all and LE knew that already. I do not think anyone has released info that they were asked to keep confidential, imo.
WinterRose said,
in March 8th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
But,things were being put out in video and audio online that LE had already been doing,they had already interviewed WBG,Amber and NayNay.They had already been working on catching Jerome and that bunch arrested with him.I don’t blame them for being angry about everything they were working on put out online.It sounds like they kept saying stop and it wasn’t.Is that what happened or just what it appears to be,it gave bloggers info,but at what price?
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You have just made a very powerful statement. I don’t think LE screwed up alone!!
WoW everyone one has really brought things up.That could put this as being what happened.I am reading each an every post.
I just pray Haliegh is found,an this case is solved.
Your right the tapes won’t help find Haleigh because there full of BS.
Ronfan – and if this is true, why wasn’t Shaniya Davis spared? Why was she murdered? Why are there several thousand minor girls in the sex trade being told they have to pay a debt they do not owe? Why are some of them murdered?
Well,I’m sure in any case LE ask for certain things to be kept quiet,we just don’t know,because they’ve been kept quiet. 🙂 But,I do feel TJ has been the only reporter online to date that would comply with LE and respect what they would say to do or not to do.All I’m saying is this scenario,with or without these audios make the most sense when you look at everything as a whole.Is it worse than Misty or RC did something to HaLeigh?I don’t think so.I think it makes sense,like”it’s not like a bike or anything”,”she’s not your blood.”Does that sound like he thought Crystal’s family took HaLeigh?It doesn’t to me.
I dont see the tapes as BS because they were made around the time NayNays letter came out and the pond got drained. Everyone was saying way back then that Ron was a dealer and we all thought that was BS too. Now we know it is the truth, since he is in jail and on video tape doing just that. jmo
DustyRose….once again, I agree with you. The local junkies must be loving this…they are all getting their 15 minutes. They are not used to people believing their tales…most know not to trust junkies….so they must be loving all the bloggers gobbling up what they say as though they are credible!
WinterRose said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
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Great point, winter!
R also said on one tv appearance “please bring her home; she’s not a piece of property”!
cent
Why do you think LE has screwed up,they’ve been trying to fix what everyone around HaLeigh has screwed up.Le shouldn’t be blamed for any of these lifestyles in any druggie’s life or criminal activities.What has happened to HaLeigh is because of those who had authority over her,and that wasn’t LE.Unless DCF could be blamed for not putting the children in a safe environment away from all drug activity on all sides.
me said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:42 pm DustyRose….once again, I agree with you. The local junkies must be loving this…they are all getting their 15 minutes. They are not used to people believing their tales…most know not to trust junkies….so they must be loving all the bloggers gobbling up what they say as though they are credible!
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Respectfully, me, a lot of “bloggers” have been saying this since the beginning and not just since the “junkie” tapes came out yesterday..Just sayin..
WinterRose post 3:39pm well said!! I agree
Not blaming all on LE, I think that they have made mistakes in the beginning, the door not being taken in earlier on… things of that nature, as far investigating. HaLeigh’s well-being was the responsibility of the people in her life!!
NG even made a statement that junkies(dopeheads) cant keep a secret and as much as it pains me she may be right. They are not keeping secrets they have been telling all along what happened. jmo
And if this is how it played out…the whole rat in the mail box…because Tommy knows something as well. He wanted to get his sis out of all this mess, and so that is why RC and TC were fighting. TC wanted to talk, so RC put the rat in his mail box to call him a rat, and possibly to threaten him. Then they all agreed to sell drugs to make money to either get Haleigh back, or to keep Jr. safe. If RC didn’t put the rat in the mailbox, then possibly TC just thought he did, and it was actually someone involved in taking Haleigh (one of the drug lord’s leeches.)
Oh,well I can agree with you on the door,bedding and I can’t for the life of me explain any of that.Just saying…But,I’ve heard people blame all of this on LE, and this is not the case.
I am only 50/50 on the dealer retaliation theory. It makes sense and I think today’s/last night’s discussions have been great. However, something about it doesn’t seem real. This crew (Ronald et al.,) just seem too small-time for this. Stories of children/families killed because of drugs seem to happen in large cartels… Maybe I am naive. If we were talking hundreds of thousands of dollars – I could buy it. Ronald and crew are not sophisticated enough. Does that make sense? I do agree that drugs are involved but I don’t think someone took Haleigh hostage or harmed her because of a deal gone bad. Just my opinion, of course.
Regardless of who is ultimately DIRECTLY responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance, all of these people are to blame. Crystal for not staying in her life and choosing drugs over her kids. Crystal’s family for making the same choices. Ron, Misty, Ronald’s parents, Misty’s parents – all of them. They do not put their children first. They say it takes a village to raise a child – poor Haleigh did not have a village. It breaks my heart.
Shockwave, I agree with everything you said except I think they sold drugs because they always did and were addicts and need the drugs. jmo
KeepitReal,
This is not the first set of junkie tapes we have seen in this case…far from it….we’ve heard from nay nay and others before too. I don’t believe any of them.
Some can keep secrets… if given what they want/need… they will!! Then of course you have the ones, that will talk for the right price.
I don’t “gobble up” anything in something as serious as a beautiful little girl taken out of her home at night without a trace. I, among many others, have had over a year to listen to everything that’s been put out so far, and this just seems to be the one theory that makes sense across the board.
Conspiracy theories, “haters” on either side of the families involved, not buying it right now.
We all want to hang on to the concept that HaLeigh is alive and well, and I hope that’s the case. It just seems that many avenues have been explored and they’ve been a dead end street.
Like I said earlier, I HOPE I’m wrong!
Junkies can barely find their way to the supermarket much less keep up with blogging. Don’t give them that much credit, but they do talk. This Barb person sounds like she at least cares and has a heart. I hope she’s going to be okay.
tobias said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:49 pm NG even made a statement that junkies(dopeheads) cant keep a secret and as much as it pains me she may be right. They are not keeping secrets they have been telling all along what happened. jmo
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Well, if NG said it, it must be true….lol!!!
Actually, what NG said was that she didn’t believe the story…she believes that if a bunch of people were with Misty at a party that night, someone would have spoken up…and I agree with her on that.
Is it possible that if TN use to get RC out of trouble because of where she worked that other dealers were set up. So, they are out to get RC for ratting out other dealers to save himself?
ME, Then why cant you believe Barb when she speaks up? Police use drug addicts as informants all the time. Most people know that when you have a little too much to drink you get loose lips, so why is it so hard to believe?? JMO
NG said a bunch of dopeheads. Tobias is correct on that quote. That was the show where Ron started laughing and everyone noticed he was on something. Rons eyes were as big as saucers.
Shockwave said,in March 8th, 2010 at 4:01 pm Is it possible that if TN use to get RC out of trouble because of where she worked that other dealers were set up. So, they are out to get RC for ratting out other dealers to save himself?
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Shock, good question. Initially very early on after HaLeigh went missing, I honestly thought this was a case of R being a “snitch” due to his arrest record and no convictions. In the drug world, a “snitch” is considered to be just as bad, if not worse, than a debtor, in their eyes.
keepitreal Very good question!
tobias,
Junkies tell “stories” for their own personal gain. They will lie, cheat and steal to get what they want. Barb sounds like a disgusting junkie to me, and I don’t believe a word she says. If you want to believe every junkie that comes along and says something bad about Ron, that’s a matter for you. If you only watch tv and only get your ideas from tv and NG etc, I can see how you might feel that way. Those of us that have to deal with junkies know better.
KeepItReal – agreed!
Me, NEWS FLASH…. Ron is a junkie.
me said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:57 pm tobias said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:49 pm NG even made a statement that junkies(dopeheads) cant keep a secret and as much as it pains me she may be right. They are not keeping secrets they have been telling all along what happened. jmo
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Well, if NG said it, it must be true….lol!!!
Actually, what NG said was that she didn’t believe the story…she believes that if a bunch of people were with Misty at a party that night, someone would have spoken up…and I agree with her on that.
%%%%%%%%%%%%%% I think Naynay did speak up..via the letter to Donnie!
looking for Justice said,in March 8th, 2010 at 4:05 pm NG said a bunch of dopeheads. Tobias is correct on that quote. That was the show where Ron started laughing and everyone noticed he was on something. Rons eyes were as big as saucers.
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“everyone noticed”….you don’t speak for me when you say “everyone” or many of the other posters here. That was your opinion, not mine.
I said earlier I PRAY that Crystal and her family has Haleigh that would be GREAT compared to this theory. The thing is that all info we have at this point seems to corroborate with this scenario. Granted it does not make it true, but it is as close as we have come so far to fitting pieces together that make sense.
tobias….NEWS FLASH….Crystal is a junkie and so is Chad!
Me – I don’t think anyone is saying we believe her necessarily. We are just saying it sounds very likely. I swear, you won’t be happy unless you are right. That Crystal took Haleigh, and she should be in jail. Why are you so sure Crystal is the one? Why do you insist that RC and camp cannot be guilty?
looking for justice…respectfully, I don’t agree about the pieces fitting together. IMO, the most likely suspects are the ones with motives….Tommy & his family, Crystal & her family, or an SO that watched the house. I think the reason this case has gone cold is because LE didn’t properly investigate these players at the relevant time. Cyrstal and her family had the strongest motive and have been lying since day 1, starting with giving Chad a false alibi.
Shockwave said,in March 8th, 2010 at 4:01 pm Is it possible that if TN use to get RC out of trouble because of where she worked that other dealers were set up. So, they are out to get RC for ratting out other dealers to save himself?
I firmly believe this…I think LE should investigate some of the people Ron did snitch on…I would bet a bust with a loss of approximately $20,000 to $30,000 might be found with rons testimony responsible… that might be why this amount keeps popping up as the amount needed for Haleighs return.
omg…sorry about all those posts….didn’t mean to do that!!
Who are the folks that R allegedly robbed with a pistol?…. I would start there!!!!
looking for Justice said,in March 8th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
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I agree with you, as always.
I would LOVE to think HaLeigh is with ANYONE who is loving her and taking good care of her. I think that’s why so many of us want to hang on to some other theories because our minds won’t allow us to go to that “other place”..that DARK place..where she is no longer alive. But we have to be realistic and prepared. Like they say, hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
Shockwave…I don’t know why you say I won’t be happy unless Crystal did it. If you read my posts, you would know that I also strongly suspect Tommy & clan, and haven’t eliminated the possibility of a SO taking her.
me, I totally respect your opinion. I believe though that if this has anything to do with Haleighs disappearance these drug dealers definitely had a motive.
Shockwave…as for why I don’t believe Ron is involved…I can see no motive for him to do anything to Haleigh. I see no evidence that he did anything to Haleigh (hearsay from junkies gets no weight from me). I believe he has a credible alibi. And the warrant had just been served on Crystal. So, in a basic nutshell, that’s why I don’t believe Ron did it.
Me, than why is it out of the realm that Ron was indirectly involved by his actions with drugs? jmo
looking for Justice….imo, Ron was a small time drug dealer at best. I think it is a long shot, but I suppose anything is possible.
Me,
I don’t believe RC hurt his child anymore than I believe Crystal would allow a year to be taken out of her child’s life,because she owed money.Come on,would Crystal’s family have taken HaLeigh out of the home and left Jr alone?They knew how old Misty was,all they’d have to do is see to it RC got in trouble for living with a minor.They could have helped get him set up for drugs,anything.RC would not have married Misty if he thought she hurt HaLeigh.And if he thought Tommy or Misty hurt HaLeigh he would have done what he said he would do to anyone who took her.
BBL
tobias….other than the fact that crack is whack and crackheads do crazy things, the motive I see for Crystal and family is money.
I think there is a very slight chance it had something to do with Ron & drugs, but sooooo slight, right down the bottom of my list of theories.
LE have looked at Ron & Misty for over a year and have gotten nowhere with that theory….which speaks volumes to me.
Excellent post WinterRose!!
Winter rose, I totally agree. In the situation I cna say I would not have acted like he did, Misty would have talked if I had to beat it out of her. I certainly wouldnt marry the person LE said was the key. And someone who failed poligraphs.JMO
Come back, beautiful!
WinterRose….I cannot eliminate Crystal & family as suspects based on the little info we have. I can see no rational explanation for Marie and Crystal giving Chad a false alibi, for the fake search, for the coincidence in timing of Crystal being served a warrant just the day before Haleigh went missing. Marie & crew, imo, seemed to not want Haleigh found from day one….every time they got on tv they carried on about Ron being abusive etc, instead of trying to find Haleigh. And talk about “inconsistencies” in the timeline…giving someone a false alibi is incredibly serious and I highly doubt it was done by accident. And I have to ask why they would do that?
me–my thoughts exactly. I think the Crystal and family theory fits and I have thought so since day one. But with the Ron and Misty circus, I think LE might have lost focus on the Sheffields.
me, You keep refering to junckies as liars. I just want to say that not all junkies are liars. Many of them are people like you and me. They are on drugs. Its the drugs that make good people do bad things. When I think of a junkie…I am only talking about people who injest their drugs intraveinous.(spell check) This is the worst kind of addict. It’s the end of the road. People like this are so addicted, they are no longer able to make moral decisions though at one time in their life, they were good people. It’s the drugs that make people this way. Once they seek help for their addiction, they can and will be able to change and become a trustworthy, law abiding citizen. People do change. I can’t speak for these people since they are only dry, (without drugs) they must change their attitude about the drugs for true change to occur.
methinks and cent, Hello if you are still here. I just scrolled up and saw you were on.
methinks said,in March 8th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
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Well said, methinks!
AMEN! Methinks!! Hello
I just want Haleigh to come home. She didn’t do nothing to nobody. If you are reading these posts, and you killed a little girl…you will reap what you sow. I’m out for now.
methinks…many nice people get involved with drugs. However, when they are using, they are not trustworthy. I have had to deal with so many of them over the years, and I wouldn’t trust even one of them with a pet rock. Sure, if/when they clean themselves up they can become productive and trustworthy again, but imo, Barb clearly wasn’t “clean”.
One question is bothering me. When Cobra turned over these tapes to LEis that when his trouble started and why LE wanted him out of there. Because he was too close to the truth and possibly messing up the investigation?
Did LE fear he possibly tip off the drug dealers before they could get enough evidence on them? I dont think Cobra would do it intentionally but he even says its getting intense and I dont think he thought it out soon enough. jmo
I admit me,if you look at everyone there are scenarios that could fit.But,I don’t believe Chad would have taken HaLeigh for Crystal,he had his own kids.Some feel he was still seeing Roxy.It was suggested the fake search could have been taking the law into their own hands,to get Misty and NayNay in jail so they’d talk.Maybe they were desperate.Possibly Crystal went into custody mode,because she didn’t want Jr taken also,if LE was saying it was drug related and Misty knew something.I sure wouldn’t have wanted my child in an environment where one had already disappeared and noone knew how.
You know Tobias you could very well be right. He definitely went into some dangerous places.
Tobias,
I think Cobra’s problems started when he started to suspect the Sheffields and Griffis of involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance. And unfortunately I think he brought some of the problems on himself, by arresting Snodgrass. Whether right or wrong, I think his heart was probably in the right place.
Have you heard the December interview with PCSO Major Gary Bowling about the fake search? If you listen to that, you might get where I’m coming from. It certainly seemed to me that he strongly suspected the Sheffields/Griffis in this case.
WinterRose,
I’m curious (and mean no disrespect) as to why you think Marie & Crystal lied about Chad’s whereabouts that night and why they gave him a false alibi?
No,I understand me,I can’t answer for anyone,none of these people make sense to me.LOL
me @ 4:58 pm – I remember that interview. I believe Bowling was asked why someone would “fake” a search and he responded “I guess someone has their own agenda.” (Paraphrased but he did refer to it being part of someone’s agenda).
I always wondered why they didn’t follow up on that search. Find out who instigated it, what was the goal, what was whose agenda?
Maybe LE did but it’s another one of those things that we don’t know about.
Lets speculate for one minute that this is the scenario that did occur in Haleighs disappearance. what would the charges be for those who have had knowledge and never came forward?
m2c….that was a very interesting interview with Bowling!
I got the feeling that he was trying to get the point across that they had certainly not ignored the search, and may not have been getting info about it out there to the public for tactical reasons. He made me think that they didn’t want the people that were being looked at closely to know that. IMO, he was strongly hinting that the Griffis/Sheffields were at the top of the suspect list for PCSO, but that it wouldn’t help the case to let them know that.
Hello m2c.
me @ 5:02 – I’ll take that question (gosh that sounds like something out of a game show! lol!)
You asked why M and G would lie about Chad’s alibi.
I think there are two answers both of which could apply to many many things that have happened in this case.
1) It was a well-intentioned “white lie” just to protect a family member who they knew or believed was not involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.
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2) They’re covering up something
which could be (A)unrelated to the disappearance OR (B) related to it.
In other words there could be a fairly “innocent” and unrelated explanation or a more sinister and possibly related one.
Misleading an investigation comes to mind as one.jmo
Child endangering comes as 2. jmo
Hi, looking for Justice!
When I think about my theories I try to “plug in” both types of answers I mentioned above to see how it would work out both ways.
That’s partly why I have not decided on one theory (decided for sure what happened and who’s responsible).
I tend to believe Barb when she said she wasn’t into hard drugs, but did enjoy her weed. I think it might be that she’s an alcoholic. I kind of thought she was alittle intoxicated. It doesn’t mean she was untruthworthy, it just means she was catchin’ a buzz, thats all. She seemed like an honest straight-up kind of person that was simply stating her opinion to Cobra…much like we do here with each other.
looking for Justice….I’m not sure if Fla law requires people to come forward with info they may have about a crime….lying to police is in a different category than simply not coming forth with info.
looking for Justice – Your question: “what would the charges be for those who have had knowledge and never came forward?”
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I am hoping that at this point LE is willing to deal on those charges, even not charge anyone if they will finally tell. I don’t know what else could shake the truth loose. If people think they’re going to get into trouble or MORE trouble they sure won’t tell.
That’s right, me @ 5:17pm
I was thinking more about people who are involved on the “edges” of the disappearance.
Accessories etc.
methinks…Barb struck me as much more hardcore than that…the language she used was disgusting, and not that of a normal middle aged woman concerned about a missing child. Did anyone catch Barb’s last name?
It is like that movie “Man on Fire”, no joke. That is what happens. The problem of course, with this case is that it has been going on for so long, and more and more and more people are coming out of the woodwork and being exposed and identified. People getting involved where they shouldn’t, obviously to the horror of LE. If this case is along the lines of this theory, then that would make sense of why it seems so obvious that LE is hiding SO MUCH. And when things do come out, LE is so quick to say, “not true, no lead, no answers.”
Case in point: we all know how so much info is kept hush on this case, then all of a sudden, something comes out from someone elses mouth, NOT LE’s…and its a surprize and complete turn. Then, theres good ole LE on TV saying “no truth to that”
Think about one thing: How much information has LE EVER BROUGHT TO LIGHT IN THIS CASE?
IF this theory is somewhat along the lines of what is happening, …What probably was intended to be an inside “hush keep quiet” situation, has now blown up into a big fat mess.
Too much exposure, that could now be turning into too hot of a trail leading straight to those dealers at the top. That’s why LE has been trying so hard to keep things under cover. Perhaps, even using Misty as a scapegoat so the public has something to focus on and divert their attention.
Concerning how I know about this info, sadly somebody very close to me used to be involved in that way of life. The idea of “selling” a child is usually not a preferred choice, as there really is no way for the dealer who has been burnt to get revenge on the debtor who has gone bad on the deal, and Too many trails of people and money =too much risk of being caught.
Guardians are real, not just in movies. Things like this are different from small time junkies like Shaniya Davis’s mother who exchanged/sold her daughter for a quick fix.
Supposedly, info leaked out about Johhny Sheffield and organized crime in Florida. Plus, he did work for PCSO, and then went on to be a criminal himself. He also told Cobra he would go to some state(I forget which one)TN or KY, IDK) because there is no way they could arrest him and bring him back for violating his probation.
The big guys want their money, so there would no good in killing Ron.
This is just a theory, I didn’t even think about this or ever suspect it. I didn’t even know about stuff like Guardians, but apparently it’s true.
methinks I felt the same way about Barb. She even sounded frightened talking to Cobra and telling him this info. I think she was being honest. JMO
I was talking about the key players…Me.
Just dropping by quickly…not sure if anyone has already mentioned this or not but the date for Casey Anthony’s trial has been set for May 2011…sheesh. AND, the defense is claiming they have no money and are asking the state to pick up the tab…HOWEVER, by doing this they have to show how it was that Casey managed to pay $111,000 so far to her demon team.
I wonder if Nay Nay wrote the letter about Haleigh Overdosing because she is afraid of these drug thugs too and had been threatened. Maybe they threatened her so she came up with that story to try and throw LE off and to appease the drug thug. Sorry if someone already posed that as a possibility…haven’t had time to read all posts.
ComingonStrong,
Can you expand on that? I am a bit confused! I assume you are talking about something over than the Barb tapes?
I think I came across Barb’s surname on another site last night. I have to bring a kitty to the vet shortly, but when I get back I’ll see if there is anything more about her out there.
Just checking today’s court records re Misty’s arraignment. Fields was assigned as her PD, she entered a plea of not guilty, and the case is now listed for pre-trial on the 6th of April.
http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/courtcaseweb/CaseDetail.aspx?caseid=192668
KeepItReal said,
in March 8th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Come back, beautiful!
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I’m back… had to do a commute!
Glad you’re back, b*a!
Did any of the players have court today?
news4jax has a new artcle
News4jax reporting that Misty was supposed to go in front of a judge today but entered a written “not guilty” plea.
Guess that just answered my question above, lol
I thought Misty did… I haven’t checked on that… yet… didn’t someone say that it was at 1:30?
Oh, thank you, plz. We were posting at the same time!
Doubt this link will come in but will give it a try:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/22778027/detail.html
If you scroll up, you’ll see I provided a link to the court file re Misty’s appearance today.
Robert Fields submitted the plea and a pretrial hearing is scheduled for April 6, in case my link isn’t showing above yet.
me said,in March 8th, 2010 at 6:12 pm If you scroll up, you’ll see I provided a link to the court file re Misty’s appearance today
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I’m sorry, me! I can’t see your link yet!
Has anyone checked on who Barbara Freeman is?jmo
The link is probably in MOD.
Wow did anyone else see that Misty is claiming she is being grilled by investigaters about Haleigh? Didnt she say in one that no one has talked to her about it? hmmmmm. jmo
T. Holmseth was also the one who Cobra gave a recording to of himself talking to J.Sheffield about leaving the state so no one would arrest him. T.Holmseth also has info on how J.Sheffield is linked to organized crime. I know that some of the very knowledgeable posters on this site told me about T.Holmseth auditing his tapes and video, though, so I am more careful when I listen to them. I think it was m2c, so we need to keep a heads up on that. Alot of you know alot more than we do, so I’m eager to hear your theories. (I call you all the leaders!)
Just want to reiterate, what I posted earlier is not something I personally have thought, just that when I read about those tapes today, I started thinking about the unknown…and I’m not crazy, it really is someone very close to me…he is fine and sober now, thank God. In his younger life, started doing drugs, by age 17 he was “working” and making his own money…
He’s been following this case too, and today, after this new info, started telling me some of these things that really happen.
They cant talk to her without her lawyer and he isnt going to allow that. She is gonna claim she was set up and its all about Haleighs case and thats why LE did the sting. I hope the jury sees through it. jmo
Oh…the link shows up for me so I thought it showed for everyone…sorry…off to vet now, but will do some looking into Barbara Freeman when I get back.
tobias, can you tell me what article so I can read it about LE grilling Misty? Thanks in advance!
News4jax
Wow that picture in the news article says it all she looks peed off royal. Its that stubborn stare TJ talks about. jmo
Regarding the sound quality, when I’ve had to listen to muddy audio and figure out what it’s saying, I’ve have some luck with taking the bass down or out. Lot of treble and less bass is usually what helps me. Hope it helps.
Thanks TC4C. I didn’t even know we could do that, lol! I’ll give it a try.
I Know babrera freeman,not the same one though,lol gotta catch up!
so there are new tapes?
You are correct Ron!
Shockwave said,in March 8th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Tobias – why didn’t I ever put that together? That makes complete since. That they all slept in the same room for a reason, and the gun necessity. Your thought made me think of another thought…this is also why R was worried when he could not get in touch with M.
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Wow, those are both very sleuthy conclusions. I’m not being a smarta55; I’m impressed.
I am sorry but i just don’t think it’s very realistic to believe that some drug lords are holding Haleigh for ransom because it has been over a year now she’s been missing.One year is a long time to hide someone.Besides none of Misty’s BS stories add up I think she knows what happened and is lying and not to protect ron but to protect herself.Look at her jail tapes..She is number 1 in her book she wants out real bad if she wasn’t involved or could be at fault she would have come forward and said what happened, be it an accidental death,kidnappers etc in hopes of getting out .If Haleigh were kidnapped by Drug lords they would have slipped up by now and there would have been atleast one “sighting”.Instead she disappears without a trace and without and leads.Seems to me Misty is covering up for whatever it was that happened I still think Haleigh got into some drugs and passed away and while Ron was at work she hid the body.I could be proven wrong and I may be wrong but that’s just my opinion.
KeepItReal said,in March 8th, 2010 at 1:21 pm $26,000 in drug debt, in my opinion, would NOT be for pills. It would be much bigger than that.
Sometimes drug dealers front the drugs to the little guys to sell. Then they want their money. Problem is, sometimes the “little guys” DO their profit themselves. Thus, running up a huge bill that cannot be paid back. JMO
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Ron has mentioned a love for powder. I dunno what it costs, but I do know it’s pricier than crack. Or at least, it used to be, based on arguments I used to hear about justice for the poor and minorities.
I should restrain myself from posting until I’ve read all posts, shouldn’t I?
LOL, TC4C, I do it all the time!
Keep It Real;
Problem is, it costs money to keep a child. If a child is taken for a 25K debt, does the debt increase by the amount it costs to feed, clothe, and pay for medical care?
Who pays the ongoing cost of keeping a kidnapped child?
If Haleigh was taken for a drug debt, the debt may have been much lower than the ransom. The kidnapper may have added interest and the cost of living expenses for Haleigh over a year, two years, three?
Jason, Hi!
I’m the one who posted that if this drug debt scenario is what really happened, then it would be naive to think HaLeigh would still be alive. I would think she would be a liability for drug dealers to be “carrying around” waiting for money to be paid to them. It was ronfan who suggested that drug dealers do not kill; rather they have “guardians” who care for the children until the debt is paid.
Personally, I don’t believe this to be the case at all….
Thanks, Jason, I love your posts!
KeepItReal said,in March 8th, 2010 at 1:15 pm I know this is not the theory that most people want to hear. We’d all much rather think HaLeigh is alive and thriving and happy. The drug debt theory leaves no room for that possibility, so we would rather “throw it out”.
I’m a realist, not an idealist, and I just don’t think R would “protect”, much less marry someone who he thought had ANYTHING to do with the disappearance of his “heart”.
Maybe the bad guys threatened R and M both by saying “if you tell anyone anything, we’ll kill HaLeigh”. They would have to be pretty naive to think these scum would actually hold this child hostage for over a year. I just don’t know. JMO
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Here you go Jason!
And I do hope this theory we’ve been discussing today is wrong, but it’s been on the back of my mind since the very beginning.
ThugCops4Christ,
You’re right about the higher cost of cocaine. Generally, the poor buy crack.
A couple years ago there was a change in the unfair sentencing laws that put buyers of crack cocaine in prison for longer terms than those who bought cocaine.
I apologize Keep It Real; thanks for pointing out that my response was to Ron Fan.
You make a good point about Haleigh being a liability to a person hoping to receive the pay-back of a debt. In time, the cost of keeping her would be more than the original debt.
I think if it was a back for a debt… then they probably don’t have HaLeigh anymore. I’m not convinced that’s the motive.
What I was trying to say is that the longer things go on, the less chance someone could be alive; but I am thinking that J.Sheffield has something to do w/it, and if u go back and listen to Rons conv w/his mom, he talks about Crystal in Texas and Montana; and I still believe the sightings in Kentucky where the witness identified one of the men as J.Sheffield, but when Holmseth investigated, there was no record of it being investigated either by LE or the actual goodwill store or gas station.
I’m just theorizing, so I am as baffled as everyone.
NG… just said that in the Laci Peterson case a dog tracked her from her home in Modesto to the Berkeley Marina… Ok… how is that… I would think that you would have to literally walk them on the hwy…maybe their nose was hanging out the car window?
Lol, b*a, what a visual image!
How would they do that for real?
I still think Jr had to have seen something that night. I’m praying he will have an epiphany like Elizabeth Smart’s little sister did months later. Of course, she was older than Jr so I just don’t know how much his little mind can absorb or remember.
I keep thinking if there was an accident or anything like that, Jr would know that because there would be a panic and chaos.
I just want HaLeigh brought home. One way or another.
Heya again!
So Do I ronFan! So do I!
Adams,LoL
Could this be the reason the Croslin’s want LP to move the whole family to Calif? Do they all fear what Misty knows could harm all of them if she tells? Was movinng them for protection part of the deal?
Allz i know,coke is 1.09 a bottle,clueless otherwise!
Something,I am sorry but knowing them just the first day,no way i am bringing them where i am! LoL
Right,Keepitreal!
Buddy, all I know is that for months and months people covering this story have said that maybe Misty needed to be in some kind of witness protection program. So maybe you are on to something there.
I don’t think it was a drug debt either to e honest,who would risk that,as public as this case is!
CathyJo63 said,in March 8th, 2010 at 9:05 pm Allz i know,coke is 1.09 a bottle,clueless otherwise
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You’re cracking me up, CathyJo! I needed some comic relief!
you and me,LoL i AM ALL FUR IT!!
i just don’t think its drugs,entirely i mean we all know its a big part but i don’t think its the motive!
CathyJo63 said,in March 8th, 2010 at 9:09 pm I don’t think it was a drug debt either to e honest,who would risk that,as public as this case is!
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But on the night that HaLeigh went missing, no one had a clue who she was, who R was, who M was, or who any of these people were.
I think WHOEVER is responsible had no clue this case would draw the attention that it has.
Well you are so right there!! I don’t get accused of thinkin to offen Keepitreal!
Thats very true!
I’m surprised though no one has made a peep!
I gotta grab my helmet…ok got it on wiff some gas bombs in my pocket,LoL
but i think Cobra coUlda got alot more if he’d been allowed too!
CathyJo, that is what I’ve been thinking all day today. Maybe it’s the calm before the storm? I think they locked them all up for a reason, and more arrests are forthcoming, so maybe there will be news soon. I hope anyway!
b/c he did have the right frame of mind,you can’t go after druggies with a militia against them and expect answers!
Re; Laci. The dog picked up the scent at the home and at the boat ramp.
Lord yes,Keepitreal,it would be so nice to wake up in the morning and know the truth!
Yea Buddy,Sad and to think you love someone when you marry them,and one day you learn they will do anything to you,doesn’t seem possible! but it is!!
Can’t even imagine what goes through your mind when you realize it,you know she was aware,i think!
Heck,he looked like an everyday guy didn’t he?
Sorry,i shouldn’t even brought that up but like i said,I don’t think!
I keep going back to the beginning when Misty tried to throw Cousin Joe and Tommy under the bus for having something to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance. Then months later she goes to New York and on national tv says she thinks LE ought to start looking at the “other side” of the family. Which is it? What is she afraid of? Who is she afraid of? She knows more than she’s fessing up..She needs to spit it out!
ronfan said,in March 8th, 2010 at 8:36 pm What I was trying to say is that the longer things go on, the less chance someone could be alive; but I am thinking that J.Sheffield has something to do w/it, and if u go back and listen to Rons conv w/his mom, he talks about Crystal in Texas and Montana; and I still believe the sightings in Kentucky where the witness identified one of the men as J.Sheffield, but when Holmseth investigated, there was no record of it being investigated either by LE or the actual goodwill store or gas station.
I’m just theorizing, so I am as baffled as everyone.
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I know exactly what you mean RonFan!
Thats the bottom line KeepItReal!
She wants them to leave her alone but the reality is,she was with Haleigh the last time anyone seen her so that makes her the key,I don’t know why she doesn’t grasp that.I do and i aint the sharpest knife in the drawer either but I do think Misty did not harm her but I also believe Misty knows who did or can atleast say she left that night and came home to find Haleigh Gone,so she should be honest and let the chips fall!!
I mean my goodness,I don’t see how it could get any worse for Misty??
Unless ofcourse it is worse,but we’ll never know like this!
Like i said yesterday,Caylee’s case was so twisted and confusing but for the most part we all agree abut what most likely happened but this case,it twists everyday in a new direction!
Did you ever watch the video of Roms plea on the today show,it’s always bothered me b/c it was like he wasn’t pleading to the world,was more like to her??
But yet again i am still confused b/c of the tats and all!
I wonder,i just thought maybe the reason Misty is calmer the past few days,if maybe she talked?
Been wondering the same thing, CathyJo. Could be….
I sure hope so……
The article today on News4jax did say she was being grilled by investigators, so…….maybe she cracked..
HollyG has ran the audio through Goldwave. It’s at her spot.
I have always thought Ron and TN know exactly what happened to Haleigh. I have also thought Misty has been protecting Ron. Mist can’t keep the story straight because it is not her story, Ron and TN have the times and events of that evening down better than Misty. When asked a question about that night the answer the question directly as first hand knowledge, never do the say, well we were told or Misty said.. I still think Misty was told by them what to say, keep it simple.. Kids went to bed at 8, I went to bed at 10 woke up at 3 Ron came home at 3:24. Problem is, Misty could not keep it that simple, Ron and TN have it down pat. Ron knowing the exact time he cmae home is weird to me. Most people are not aware of the exact time in a situation like this, but he keeps reminding people the exact minute he arrives home from work. How did TN make it there by 3:30 when she lives 15 minutes away and why did she show up with a large glossy PIC of Haleigh, if they all just found out minutes before Haleigh was missing from her bed? There was not even enough time to check out the house and areas outside the home. They both also seem to rule everything out right away, Misty had nothing to do with it, Haleigh did not wander off, Misty was home that night, she did not eat pills.. They also never really questioned Misty’s story, WHY? Because they know what happened.
TOBIAS: your post at 4:54; that is exactly what I’m talking about; Again I ask: WHAT, IF ANY ,INFORMATION HAS LE EVER DISCLOSED THAT HAS SOLEY COME FROM THEM ? The only info that has ever been exposed has been from OTHER PEOPLE involved in this investigation.
Cobra was hired by J.Sheffield as the P.I. for the Sheffields. He questioned the “fake search” when John Regan put himself in charge of it, masquerading as LE; during the search, some substance that resembled blood was found; (I think on a leaf,idk)J.Sheffield insisted it was blood, and became very angry when it was challenged. Cobra found it very strange, and guessed that besides that incident, and all the other strange lies, that J.Sheffield was trying to make it appear that Haleigh was indeed dead; He couldn’t understand why a man would be pushing for blood to be discovered from his own grandchild…
Cobra suspected that J.Sheffield devised this so the obvious outcome would be for this case ending. Bingo, they get Haleigh, the whole time holding it over Ron’s head due to the bad deal. J.S. is behind the drug deal, because of his connection; so he would be getting a chunk of the money, plus getting Haleigh, knowing the whole time, RON would never talk., because if he did, THEN, he would never see Haleigh again. I am not suggesting killing her at all; I would suspect that they threatened to take her into hiding forever.
It would be horrible to suggest that LE is in on this; that they are a part of it, but considering everything, that’s not like a new occurence.
It happens all the time, LE is always tied to drug dealers and money.
That is why they did that stupid drug sting, to make it look like all those were involved, and how great LE was to get them all in jail..now, all LE has to do is bribe any of them to lie in exchange for lesser time/or release. The Croslins are scapegoats.
Remember, just a theory. I am in no way agreeing w/this, just imaging what it could be; how it is that we never hear anything about the Sheffields, maybe cuz LE wants us to focus on Croslin/Cummings.
Oh, I hate Geraldo, he is a jerk. That was the stupidest comment he ever made.
Another question is how Ron’s drug history was cleaned up; there could be some truth that he is an informant, and screwed up along the way and wanted money for himself, like a job on the side…it happens…kind of like a double agent.
Cracked,lol
KeepItReal said,in March 8th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
But on the night that HaLeigh went missing, no one had a clue who she was, who R was, who M was, or who any of these people were.
I think WHOEVER is responsible had no clue this case would draw the attention that it has.
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That might be right. But I think whoever is responsible may have been a regular NG watcher, may have known the As were making a good living out of Caylee, and wanted the same for themselves. When little girls go missing, they get the nation’s attention….little boys, sadly, not so much. It would explain why the amber alert was going out during Caylee’s memorial, and why Jr. was left behind. No one has set up a foundation in memory of a missing child nearly as quickly as the Sheffields and Griffis did. Within 5 weeks they had a foundation already running. The As waited closer to a year, yet everyone was outraged. Hmmmmm.
have you got the link Adams,my files were deleted with the virus,lol
I know my stupid post was too long, but it’s worth reading, and I promise no more long posts like that again!!
?? Do you have a link to sighting in Kentucky where witness said one of the men was Marty Sheffield? I have not heard that
I did notice in interviews,like when it happened,tn and ron were like…..3:27,3:33….etc but Misty is like I saw a 3?
Right Buddy and also Ron said tho M told him at the door Haleigh was gone,and the bdoor was propped open,on n/g he said he checked inside first……i woulda been out that back door very first thing!!!!!!! She was safer inside??
Jason,
Yep, coke is not a cheap drug. So how was Chad coming up with the money to pay for it while supporting 3 kids and his partner? I feel bad for all those kids living at that property, all squished into a 2 bedroom trailer. If it’s true Chad has his kids there too, which I’m not at all certain of. I know Kim P said he did, but hard to believe anything she said to the media.
Cathy if you click on her name in gold it should take you there..I will type it out…. the link may go to mod!
ronfan…did you hear the tape where Johnny was talking to Cobra about how he wanted the movie rights? That was deeply concerning to me. I bet Marie would fight him tooth and nail for them!
ohhhhhhhhh,ok,ty Adams..will try!
/me waits for Adams!
HGM is a lifesaver!
yes Me he was!!
cent, I would also like to see hollygmas site. where do I go?
I don’t trust any f em,and I think if Misty was guilty she’d have spilled the whole jar of beans by now!I know i would!,Don’t yall ever ask me to help commit a crime,you goin downnnnnnn iffin i get caught,rofl!
I had it till yesterday,lost every link i had!
KeepItReal said,in March 8th, 2010 at 6:39 pm Thanks TC4C. I didn’t even know we could do that, lol! I’ll give it a try.
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I’m not even exactly sure. Maybe you have to be listening to something on Media Player to do it?
Don’t say i didn’t warn ya!
brb
It’s above MeThinks…
Buddy….re California….Hank & Lisa are theives and scammers, and they’ll take any and all handouts they can get their hands on. As part of Lisa’s probation for stealing the cheques from her blind neighbor, she was ordered to undergo drug testing….that might have something to do with it…I don’t expect she’ll be passing any tests. And Hank is still very much in trouble with the law in Putnam…like Lisa did before they brought her back from Tenn, he’d probably like to abscond too.
I got lost!
Ended up in a wife beatin section,not for me!
try it again!
Cathy What?
KeepItReal said,in March 8th, 2010 at 6:39 pm Thanks TC4C. I didn’t even know we could do that, lol! I’ll give it a try.
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Oh! I remembered how to do it. Listen to the file in Windows Media Player and right-click on the bottom of the player. Choose “View” and then “Enhancements” and then “Graphic Equalizer.” Then, click the top little bubble that says–when you hover over it–“set equalizer sliders to move independantly.” That way, you can really experiment with what sounds most clear to you, which, now that I’ve tried it, may not be more-treble-less-bass.
Wow, thanks TC4C!
Re “powder”…so many drugs come in powder form…cocaine, amphetamines, heroin, and as we all already know, Tommy was caught with, amongst other things, “powder” and a straw at the school bus stop and that powder turned out to be a prescription drug in powder form. Hard to be certain Ron was referring to cocaine….however, it is said to create a sense of euphoria in the user, and I suppose that many people who had lost a much loved child might crave that sense of euphoria at such a difficult time in their lives, so it is possible, but far from certain, imo.
listening now,whewwwwwwwwwwwww
Jason said,in March 8th, 2010 at 8:14 pm ThugCops4Christ,
You’re right about the higher cost of cocaine. Generally, the poor buy crack.
A couple years ago there was a change in the unfair sentencing laws that put buyers of crack cocaine in prison for longer terms than those who bought cocaine.
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Thanks, Jason. That’s exactly the old sentencing conflict I was thinking of.
I can’t get there from here.
That is some real intense stuff right there. Cobra really stuck his neck out to try and find Haleigh. It’s such a shame. If it really was some drug dealers who “stole” Haleigh, we may never, ever know what happened to her. Those people do not talk. It would also explain why Misty is so scared to talk. Her life would surely be over.
If anything, what I got out of these tapes is. that Cobra risked his life to try and find this girl.
I’m so tired , I think I’ll go lay down for awhile and channel-surf…might come back in a bit and try again…for now yawn…arf zzz snirkle, snore snap..oops crack smack oh crap, I fell offa’ da’ couch.
Methinks check your pm
I agree Queenie,and got run off b/c he did what others wouldnt!
think we’d have the truth by now if he’d been allowed to stay!
I would TG for anybody who tried to help!
cent yay! okay…here I go dancing off to check ..yippy! gosh it sure don’t take much to entertain me at this time of the night! LOL
Right,as i see it mistys life is ruined,cannot change that but if she could tell the truth,i think she wouldve by now! sorry,eatin,listening,typing.lol
My head is just spinning on all of the things people have said and done from the beginning in this case:
l. WBG said he heard that Ronald goes around stealing. He said that he had heard that Ronald walked in and robbed a drugman, and
anybody who would have the heart to take a gun and walk into a drugman’s stronghold and rob him was capable of most anything. He, also said Misty was into all kinds of drugs.
2. I heard right at the beginning of this case that the afternoon that Haleigh went missing, Ronald was in on a big confrontation with someone over drugs. That was one of the things that was said and, then, you didn’t hear it anymore.
3. Remember how MG caught ahold of CS’s hand, signaling her to hush during an interview. She looked scared to death. MG later said Ron had threatened CS several times that she had better keep her mouth shut. Maybe, it isn’t Ronald, but the drug guy that has threatened a bunch of people to keep their mouths shut. On NG, TN was asked about Ron being a possible drug informant, and you could tell it scared her to death. She said they were afraid for Jr., and people shouldn’t be putting that story out there.
4. Maybe LE wants to take their time wanting to get the bigger guys in the drug business. They said, at one point, it was a small town and they knew what everyone was doing. They said they didn’t want to pick them up on something little. They wanted to get them on something big. (not exact words)
5. They have never said Misty killed Haleigh. They said she held the key.
6. This would account for the, “I didn’t have anything to do with this——we—–f–ked,” statement on the 9-1-1 tape. Someone else, pointed that out earlier.
7. Misty said 4 people came into the house that night——–if someone puts a gun in my mouth, NuUHH! She said 4 people comes to her mind anout who might have took Haleigh, again, during that voice analysis test.
8. Misty’s statements about why didn’t they take me——-.
9. The reason why Ronald would go ahead and marry Misty. He wanted to make sure Misty didn’t talk and get him, Haleigh, his family or Jr.killed.
I know when TN and Ron were on Maury,it was strange,did yall see it??
hmmmmm Karon,hey good to see ya!
I have always felt Misty lied but not for herself!!!
If everyone were telling the truth it couldn’t be as complicated as it is.imo
I am wondering what time it was exactly that Misty and Teresa Neves had the “alleged” discussion regarding T.N. going so far as to pay Misty to babysit that night?
As per her own words Misty had issue with Haleigh as Misty has said something about how *Haleigh had (cuss worded) her birthday or something to that affect. (*Not an exact quote.)
Was Haleigh truly with Misty that night?
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I already know about the witnesses alleged sighting of Haleigh earlier that late afternoon/ early evening as well as GGMa Sykes later added statement regarding the dropping off of the clothes. (I am well aware that I am questioning the the validity and credibility of both.)
The question again is: Was Haleigh even there with Misty as has been claimed thus far?
oh thats just great! I just superglued my hand and a penny to my doggone desk!
did anyone ever find out where js said misty was that night
Perhaps she didn’t watch her b/c she was aware of something? IDK! Just thinking outloud!
persons got a right to think out loud!LoL
goodnight all
Ya know,call me crazy and I’ll agree but do yall remember when The drug bust went down and Rons interview with the gu in jail when he stated again,that no matter how long or whose responsible,he’d still get them,kill them rather….i never said it outloud but i did think that was a direct quote b/c M was in jail too!
No,I think was in town?? I still havent relocated it,but gonna go try now!It bugs me!
Even though RC, MC and TC are in jail, they may not feel safe enough to talk. The drug dealers could still get to them in jail thru other inmates. All of this, may be the reason why LE is so silent in this case.
There are still lots of questions about the drug dealers took her story, however.
l. How does the van fit in this picture? Could they have killed Haleigh and left her body behind for Ron to see.
2. Could that be why Misty washed Haleigh’s blanket?
3. Why was her pink shirt removed?
4. Why wasn’t Misty more shaken up on her 9-1-1 call? She should have been scared to death. Remember her other emergency call; how shook up she was.
Karen,
Your question,
3. Why was her pink shirt removed?
I’d also go so far as to add, Who removed it?
I would think that touch DNA could yield some answers to that question.
Hi. CathyJo!
Is it possible that the pink Hannah Montana shirt really is the last shirt that Misty saw Haleigh in? Maybe Misty was not privy to an outfit or shirt change prior to Haleigh being taken by someone else?
Just thinking out loud here too.
Remember Ron’s earliest statements about some sorry piece of trash came in and took my child from me. I will take the trash out when the time is right.
Okay,here it is: As I said in my 1st post, if this theory is a possibility: it was never supposed to be exposed, as most cases like this are kept under the table; whoever was at the origin of this plan counted on the fact that this would have never been publicized. This is a well known rule.No one talks.
Ron had front money, he had the responsibility to pass it on, instead,he tried to use it to make a profit for himself. His plan backfired on him,he messed up,overshot his profits,ate some as well,people owed him, it goes down the line. big trouble. The amount of money involved shows he is not at the bottom tier at all. .
LE tells Cobra to shut up. This is because LE is involved in this for their share. Thats why Bowling is a lier.
Johhny Sheffield has his connections. He is the link to Ron; He fronts,makes a deal w/the top and in return, he gets Haleigh. (and some cash) Haleigh is temporarily hidden away until the attention is off J.Sheffield.
J.Sheffield knows Ron knows to keep quiet. No one can be a snitch. Snitches get killed.
Haleigh is safe, because she is part of the payment to Sheffield for his “help” in getting Ron to pay up. Its all so crossed connected, J.S. simply seized the opportunity.
right Karon!
I have to go for now. I will be back in a little while.
If Haleigh’s shirt was changed what was it changed to exactly? Apparently there was a laundry issue in that home. Even GGma’s story states that she brought clean laundry to the home that evening.
Was she changed into something clean that GGMa allegedly brought over or was she changed into something “less” dirty?
Either way shouldn’t it be easy enough to figure out what Haleigh was wearing?
Karon,
I think all this drug debt talk is, with all due respect, the stuff of wild imaginations. Ron was only small time at best. We know LE watched him & Misty for a full month, and all they got him on were sting deals….not one independent deal other than with the UC. There is nothing in his history to support the big time drug dealer theory, imo.
Re the van…it was very thorougly checked and then released by LE. If they found anything of evidentiary value, they would not have released it, they would have kept it for evidence.
Re the pink shirt…i can think of lots of reasons the perp would leave it behind…just another piece of evidence he would need to hide if he took it with him etc
The 911 call I can’t explain…imo, given what we later heard, there may have been something off about it.
This is why I think Ron put himself purposely in the stupid drug sting; he would know better than to prance around w/little people in stupid small deals. He didn’t care about being arrested, his goal is to get as close as he can. So, he acted like a peon idiot, and went along w/it; Anyone w/his history would never say what he said in those UC tapes, he’s too smart for that.
For all we know Haleigh took the shirt off herself…at her age she would have been more than capable. Or perhaps Misty got it wrong. It just seems to me that if Misty was staging something, she wouldn’t say she last saw her in the pink shirt if she knew it was lying on the floor for LE to find.
Tuff Stuff said,in March 8th, 2010 at 11:02 pm Is it possible that the pink Hannah Montana shirt really is the last shirt that Misty saw Haleigh in? Maybe Misty was not privy to an outfit or shirt change prior to Haleigh being taken by someone else?
Just thinking out loud here too.
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I’m behind and didn’t see your post til after I posted my thoughts on the shirt. I think that’s a real possibility. Plus, if you are taking a child from a home, you wouldn’t want to be driving her somewhere in an easily recognizable shirt like that, especially with the amber alert system, so I can see why the perp might have taken it off her and left it behind. And if, and I dont’ believe this happened, she had passed, you wouldn’t want to dispose of her in clothes that would so easily identify her.
Right Me. I also would think that touch DNA could be able to render some type of evidence don’t you think?
It does seem like a very good possibility.
Makes a person wonder what evidence LE might already have and how it might either fit or conflict with already given statements.
ronfan,
Many here get mad at me for defending Ronald, which I don’t really do…but I don’t think he did anything to Haleigh.
That having been said, frankly I do think he was well and truly involved in the drug deals with the undercover, but I do think he’s only small time and always has been, and i think LE knew it, which is why they put the uc in to do small deals with him. I think Ron’s only motive was to make a few bucks, and was not altruistic at all.
Tuff Stuff,
If the perp touched the shirt, he may or may not have left some discernable DNA behind. I’ve been involved in cases where they’ve been able to obtain touch DNA from clothing, but it’s usually sleeves, collars etc and gloves. Never seen it where someone has merely touched the clothes, though I’m sure if they had their hands on the clothes long enough and “handled” them, it would be possible.
Tuff Stuff,
I should add that they are also now finding cases where there has been transferred DNA…that is, if I touch you, then touch some clothing, I can put your dna on it. Doesn’t always happen, but can and has happened.
Tuff Stuff…
Just want to clarify my answer some more re touch dna and clothes.
If for example, I put my hands on some motorbike handles and drove it for a minute, chances are I’d leave DNA behind. I don’t think clothing is as good a receptor of DNA as some other materials, however, if you wear a shirt, you will leave some behind on those parts of the shirt that touch your body, but just touching it, might not leave discernable traces.
Hypothetically speaking, If you were to take a shirt off of a child you usually would grab the shirt by the bottom seam area at the waist on either side and then lift it up over the childs head. Clothing is fibres that are porous right? I would think that there would be a fairly good possibility to obtain DNA if this were the case.
As far as DNA transfer goes, I am not that well educated on the subject but it seems to me that in a case such as you described the dna transfer in that situation would have to have been using minimal trace evidence found where as other cases and possibly the majority of inceidences might even show multiple dna contributors rather than just one single incident indicative of only one other single set of dna.
Sure hope that made sense.
I am fairly certain that I understand what the heck I am trying to say here LOL!
Tuff Stuff….I see you know what you are talking about! Cool! I understand perfectly what you are saying!
I think the DNA transfer stuff is relatively new, though it would seem to me to be common sense and shouldn’t come as a surprise. But it could make some prosecutions more difficult, as if for example, I ride on a bus and hold the handrail, then go to a house and commit a crime and wipe my hands all over something, I may well leave someone else’s DNA behind, someone who has had absolutely nothing to do with the crime, or perhaps in my example, a few other people’s dna.
Other than blood DNA, the only example I can remember of them finding it on clothing was on items of clothing that had been disposed of after an armed robbery….they ran the DNA in the hopes of finding the robber, and where they found the discernable DNA was around the cuffs and collar…and there were multiple contributors (I believe there were 3 on at least one of the items)! I am sure if you handled a child’s shirt from the bottom, like your example, you’d probably leave some on it…but whether or not it would be of a quantity large enough for them to be able to identify with current equipment, and then to get a sample from which allows them to obtain a proper DNA profile, I’m not sure. It sounds like you might know more about that than I do.
Tuff Stuff,
I’m just thinking about what the van again.
I wonder why they didn’t keep it….is it because they considered the scratches irrelevant or because they thought photographs of those scratches would be sufficient for them to rely on in court, if they later discovered they did have some relevance? I recall a case where the prosecution brought a car door into court because relevant fingerprints were found on the window. Just seems odd to me that they’d give it back. I fear LE may have made more than a few mistakes in this case.
Interesting ME. You could be correct that it might possibly create it’s own level of difficulties. True. At the same time even if someone had say touched something and picked up someone elses DNA, even if, if the person who’s DNA is discovered can provide “credible alibi” that would then “possibly” exclude that person as suspect no? Maybe not though.
It is not LE’s job to create a defense for possible suspects in any case. Although touch DNA is a relatively new tool it should not be overlooked. JMVHO
me,
About the van, I believe it is possible that the van did not yield enough evidence for them to justify keeping it at that time or ever.
If no real evidence is found that would or could be tied to Haleigh’s disappearance then what purpous would they have for keeping it?
Trying to find out what I can about “Barbara Freeman”. What I’ve found so far in Putnam County Court records is that someone by that name was charged with grand theft auto in Dec. 2008. The matter was discontinued by the prosecution (why are so many cases marked “nolle prosequoi” at that court…sounds like LE aren’t doing much of a job for that to be happening as frequently as it does.
I’m not sure me. I think we would have to have the breakdown of that whole reported “grand theft auto” incident in order to come to a reasonable and rational conclusion. lol!
Tuff Stuff,
With the transfer DNA, I think it could complicate things significantly if the person is not in the DNA database, and never identified, so the jury is left not knowing if that person had an alibi or not…and if the accused says something like “I don’t know how my DNA got there, but I rode a bus in that area that morning and held onto the handrail, or I was at the gas station that morning and used the gas pump etc, that could establish “reasonable doubt”. Or if the person who’s DNA is identified does not have an alibi (for example, they were home alone), then that could cause problems etc.
Re the van….I think you are correct on that. I think it’s safe to assume they didn’t find anything they believed to be significant, and I assume they took very good photos of the scratches just in case they some day became relevant.
If the labs that PCSO sent the shirt too are very good, hopefully they would not miss any discernable DNA on the shirt and have already tested it all.
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“me said,in March 9th, 2010 at 12:28 am Tuff Stuff,
If the labs that PCSO sent the shirt too are very good, hopefully they would not miss any discernable DNA on the shirt and have already tested it all.”
I believe that LE has a lot more evidence than any of us could possibly imagine.
Well it’s getting pretty darn late and the sunrise and I have a date so I am going to sign off for now.
It was good chatting with you me.
Goodnight.
Tuff Stuff…DNA is not perfect, and I think over time we will find more and more problems with it, but it is a huge development in criminal investigation, and more reliable than the tests that were being done before it, where for example, hair expert evidence (which we’ve since discovered (through DNA testing) was frightenly unreliable) was used in Court. Did you know they’ve already had cases of DNA matches…off the top of my head, there was one in NZ a few years back where a fellow’s DNA was found at a crime scene, but he was out of the country at the time. But perhaps the transfer DNA theory would explain that…I don’t remember all the facts.
Tuff Stuff,
Nice chatting to you too. Hope you sleep well and wake to good news re Haleigh! G’nite.
me,
Do the PCSO still have the shirt?
Drugs have been the one over-riding theme throughout this whole case, from the very start. I am sure RC abd MC weren’t making alot, because they weren’t living all that great. You don’t have to be in all that deep to get in a bunch of trouble, dealing with people like that.
I have thought about just what those people surrounding NayNay and Amber were capable of. If they would keep NayNay and Amber naked and captive until they worked off their drug debt, they wouldn’t stop at anything else.
About the DNA, the one that took Haleigh could have worn gloves. We just don’t know.
I have, also, thought Misty could have gotten mixed up. too.
I can’t see a man taking the time to change Haleigh’s shirt. If it was changed, a woman was involved.
LFlorida:
Kisses!!
ky mom…
I have no idea if they kept the shirt or not…but hopefully it was sent off for testing.
I am sure they sent the shirt off for testing. If they didn’t, that would have been too sloppy. They kept the van for two months, I believe.
I just wonder what made them think Haleigh was never put to bed that night?
Karon,
I think there’s a real chance Misty mixed it up or Haleigh took it off herself. But I also think it could have been the perp even if a male…the reason I think so, is because he could have pulled it over her head as he was exiting (the shirt was right by the back door), and if he thought ahead and was planning to transport her, he’d know the amber alert would describe her in that very distinct shirt, and he didn’t want her to be id’ed that easily. And/or, and I stress I don’t think this happened, Haleigh was deceased or unconscious when she left the house and they planned to dispose of her body….they might not have wanted her to be easily identified, and when a skeleton is found by clothing known to be worn by a victim, it can go along way to id’ing that person if DNA etc can’t be obtained.
Actually, I think you can get DNA from skeletal remains no matter how old (aren’t they even getting DNA from the mummies now?).
I think Tuff Stuff is right…LE probably have a lot more than what we can imagine. They might not even be looking at Misty as a possible suspect…for all we know they have their eye on someone else and are just putting the Misty stuff out there in the hope of making the real perp over confident enough to slip up.
I sure hope she is found alive, and soon.
Just thought of one other thing and thought I’d throw it out there real quick. I could be wrong but wasn’t the reason why Ron drove fast past the bus stop earlier that day because Haleigh wanted to wear something specific that was at GGMa’s house?
I am wondering if that were true then was Haleigh changed from that picture day outfit into the Hannah Montana shirt after school or was the Hannah Montanna shirt what she had chosen to wear? If she had changed out of the picture day outfit was that outfit found at the MH or?
OK goodnight now. LOL!
LFlorida said,in March 9th, 2010 at 12:45 am Sooooo… back to chasing Cobra and TimH’s tales, it appears.
Knock yourselves out. Enjoy the journey.
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What tales? I don’t think Tim H or Cobra have said anything about these tapes, have they? So far as I can tell, it’s not Cobra’s tale…he didn’t spin it, Barbara did….he just recorded it and I’ve never heard if he or Tim H believe it or not. Personally, I don’t believe Barbara would know anything more than gossip, and was probably just spinning a tale in the hope she’d get on tv or Art Harris or something….I think there have been lots of people like that in this case.
While we are talking about the DNA, someone could have been forced to go in and grab Haleigh and bring her to a certain place. If fear has kept this many people quiet this long, fear could make them do anything.
Tuff Stuff…good question. I assumed the shirt was put on her to sleep in, but that just goes to show how assumptions can sometimes send people down the wrong path! You think outside the box…I like that. I wish we knew more, much more! Soon I hope.
Good night Tuff Stuff.
There’s so much we do know in this case, but the more we know, the more we realize we don’t know.
Karon,
Re all the drug theory stuff, we’ve got to remember that LE believes it was not a stranger abduction. And, LE found no signs of forced entry.
Personally I have not written off the possibility that a “stranger” has done it, but FWIW, LE appear to have done that.
I really don’t believe for a second that this had to do with a drug debt owed by Ron…Satsuma is a small town and there aren’t exactly hitmen all over the place, nor do there seem to be people getting killed over drugs there. Ron was just a small time dealer. People don’t order hits on family members of small time dealers, nor do they steal their children. Satsuma is not Columbia, and Ron was no drug lord.
There would be no motive for some drug guy to do it…the inevitable result would be Ron would tell police and that drug dealer would be apprehended….why would Ron keep that secret to protect someone who took his daughter? That just doesn’t add up to me at all.
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I do have some problems with the drug dealer’s took her. For one, Cobra knew what was going on in that little place, by the time he left there, and he went right back to someone within those families. Another thing, why the big clean-up and making the bed before LE came?
LOL…ignore the bottom of my post…the last thing I meant to say was that it didn’t add up to me…
Don’t know how i left the rest from my cut & paste jobs down the bottom…sorry.
I couldn’t understand your last sentence, but like I said, I have my doubts. We just don’t know, but we are looking at it from every angle. We are trying to, anyway.
Karon, the only person I have heard say that the beds were made was Tim Miller, and he got lots of things wrong, so I put no weight on that unless/until I hear it from LE. I can’t imagine Misty would be dumb enough to leave the bed unmade, yet clever enough to deceive LE the FBI etc for over a year.
As much as I think Crystal’s side may be involved, and Cobra has made it clear he strongly suspected them, I can’t bring myself to rely too much on what he says about them either (many think I apply different rules to Crystal and Ron, but I don’t), as he certainly seemed to misread Tommy in a big way.
I thought, O.K., I am not up on all of those abreviations. LOL
LOL!!!
Cobra didn’t have all the answers, that is eviident, or the case would be solved. He did share alot of facts with us, however.
I don’t believe Misty is all that clever, or she would have know they were going to lay a trap for her. She kept her mouth shut and she was stubborn.
I don’t know about the CS side. For whatever reason, they have kept quiet, too quiet, really. It is hard to even speculate about them.
Karon,
Do you have more than 1 theory?
I have so many possible theories my head spins! This case is a real whodunnit. And then I look at cases like Jon Bonet where police were focused on the wrong suspects for years, and it’s still unsolved. I fear that in this case, the same thing might have happened.
Personally, I don’t buy into the “street smarts” stuff at all and I agree that she is not very clever. She fell hook, line and sinker for a sting in circumstances where any “street smart” person would have suspected what was going on.
And she loves to talk, and I think if she knew something, she’d have told more and tried to talk her way out of it, rather than not talking at all. Plus, I think she would have trusted and talked to others, and I think LE would have had some evidence on her by now if it was her.
Me:
I have so many theories. I don’t ever say someone is guilty, until it is proven in court. I just don’t think we have enough facts to convict anyone on a blog. I don’t like calling any people involved names and that sort of thing, either.
It could have been a predator, the place was crawling with them. It could have been that Haleigh go ahold of drugs and died( I think that is most likely)
I know CS family might have her.
Noone else thinks this way but me, but I haven’t ruled out GGSykes being behind this. She seems to be a strong person in the family that might have gotten worried enough about Haleigh to get someone else in the family to hide Haleigh. TN, I don’t think would be a lilely suspect, because she wouldn’t have gone against Ron. She wouldn’t be so grieved, as she is, if she knew where Haleigh is.
Just searching through old stuff and was reminded of the RSO that was arrested and found to be outside his zone during the search for Haleigh. His name is Timothy Randolph Loucakis.
Also just re-read what was on Crystal’s myspace…interesting that she didn’t refer to Jr & Haleigh by name, but rather as brats. And interesting that she said referred to her father as one of her heroes. And her favorite tv shows kind of freak me out!
Crystal’s Interests
General Taking care of my baby girl Chloe and the other brats thats pretty much it!!!! Oh yeah and my grown up baby Chad!!!
Music Pretty much every and anything!!!
Movies The Note Book I would have to say is my favorite movie, it’s the best i’ve seen so far!!!!
Television CSI, The Cleaner,and Dog The Bounty Hunter they are the shit man!!!!
Books Don’t really read gives my headackes
Heroes My Mom and My Sister Sarah Of Course couldn’t live with out them My Daddy, My Brother Marcus and Chad most of all he’s My fiancee, my whole world I love hime to death!!!!
That is interesting about the word other brats. Hmmm.
Karon,
I feel the same about not convicting anyone. That will be a matter for a jury one day in the future, when ALL the evidence is before them and 12 minds sort it out.
I find your thoughts on GGMS interesting. I can see where you are coming from and what her possible motive might be. What I can say, is if we find out it was her, I will say she well and truly missed her calling and should have been an actress, cause she sure looked sad and concerned to me!
I think there’s a real chance that one day we might find out it is someone who we’ve never even heard of, like Garrido. That poor step father of hers must have lived an 18 year horribly frustrating nightmare…he gave a great description of the vehicle that she was taken in, and instead of finding that car, that was for years parked in a driveway not that far away, he sat under a cloud of suspicion. I can’t imagine how much he resents the LE involved in the investigation of that case. And poor Jessica Lunsford’s grandfather was named LE’s #1 suspect and labelled a pervert all over the internet, while poor Jessica was being killed by a pervert. Maybe we should start micro-chipping kids with GPS locators…I guess that would cause far too many privacy issues etc…but I do wish there was an easier way to find them.
Karon,
It may have been used as a term of affection…I’m sure lots of people who love their children call them brats from time to time! But, I suppose it stands out to me a bit more because she called Chloe by name, but not the others. But then again, maybe she was talking about Chad’s kids….maybe because she only saw the other’s 4 days a month she didn’t include them? Who knows?
I had been wondering what her relationship was like with her father when Haleigh went missing, and it seems clear they were very close. I wish I could see her phone records to see if she or Marie called Johnny after she received the warrant. I’d also like to see Chad’s pings and whether or not he got a call from Crystal when haleigh was discovered missing.
I look at both sides of the family, and I think which ones, on either side, would have been strong enough to do this? The names JS and GGSykes comes to my mind. I have grandchildren, and I know how grandparents feel, if their grandchildren are in any kind of danger or neglect.
What about the TV shows? CSI, the Cleaner & Dog? Wow, it’s like she turned her life into her favorite tv shows. Can someone tell me what the Cleaner is about, or do I perhaps not want to know?…lol.
Crystal said that she thought it was a joke when she first got the call about Haleigh, because there had been ugliness going back and forth between her and Ron’s family. She said she called her Dad to make sure it was really true. I think he went over there and found out.
Karon, I agree GGS is strong enough and probably smart enough to pull it off. JS has the gumption to do it (imo), but would he be clever enough to get away with it? Perhaps if PCSO overlooked him because of his former position there, then maybe yes. In that category though, I would have to put MG right at the top…though I think if she’s involved, it’s in conjunction with Tommy and/or Chad.
That having been said, I still won’t be the least bit surprised if we hear it was a twisted sex offender unrelated to any of the parties.
The Cleaner is about a man that has a form of religion? that goes around helping people get off of drugs. Fitting, huh?
Part of a description re the cleaner…it sent shivers down my spine, and if you’ve ever read Marie’s tweets, you’d get why…
“Banks and his teammates Akani Cuesta (Grace Park) and Arnie Swenton (Esteban Powell) employ an unconventional – and often by any means necessary – approach to getting addicts and those who surround them to realize they’ve reached rock-bottom and help them begin the process of recovery. With every success and failure, William wrestles with his commitment to his work and his love for his wife Melissa (Amy Price-Francis) and their children through an unusual relationship with God”
Karon Cox…wow re those tv shows…what a weird coincidence that her life has kind of become all 3 of them?!!?
I have even had some thoughts about GGSykes and CS being in on it together. You remember GGSykes spoke up early on that Crystal wouldn’t have had a part in this. CS was involved with that family for a long time, even before she and Ron married. Crystal mentioned that GGSykes and TN had asked her why she stayed with Ron? It was just a thought.
GGSykes said, in one interview, that she knew Misty was home that night. Then she said she had been by there. Then, she said, “I know!” I thought she was keeping a pretty close eye on Misty and those kids.
Yes, it is interesting.
Well, I have enjoyed this, but I need to get to bed.
If I could create a dream list of evidence I would like to see in this case, it would start like this…
1. Marie, Crystal, Chad & Johnny’s phone records from the time Crystal received the warrant until a few days after her disappearance.
2. A record of the web pages googled and visited by Marie & Crystal for at least a few months before the disappearance, to present.
3. A copy of all records of interview between LE and Misty, Ron, Tommy, Lindsay, Chad, Crystal & Marie. I am guessing Johny was never interviewed.
4. Details of the searches of homes, and inquiries made of all RSOs within the area.
Good nite Karon. Thanks for the discussion!
Yes, I would love to see that, also.
Interesting re GGS & Crystal…but then I wonder why GGS apparently fought for custody of Jr rather than allowing him to go to Crystal?
Good night Me. That sounds funny. It sounds like I am talking to myself.LOL
LOL. Good night.
Well, she may have thought he would be safe if RC was in prison. He would be away from the drugs and RC’s teenage girlfriends. If she had run Misty off, he would have just replaced her with another one.
Interesting theory Karon. From what we’ve seen GGS is not exactly covering for Ron or trying to sugar coat him, and I have no doubt she got very close to Crystal over the years that Crystal was in their lives. Nothing would surprise me in this case!
Grannies and Mothers tend to have a bond where the children are concerned.
I found that statement GGSYkes made right after RC went to jail very interesting. She said he had lived with her and his grandfather until he was in his teens. The grandfather that he was so close to got sick, and he went back to live with TN. He came back changed. She said noone could get close to him, anymore, and he had a smart mouth. She blamed it on the fact that he lost his grandfather, but I wondered if she softened that statement a bit. The timing of it was surprising to me. I could, also, see that she and TN didn’t agree altogether about Ron.
Good night again. LOL
Me:
If it were GGSykes, she would have been very sad to see her daughter and RC hurting, but she may have felt that she did what she had to do. This is just a thought, but I cover everyone.
That article that she was quoted in was wrong in some parts (which made me lose confidence in the accuracy of the rest of it), but she certainly never came out and denied she’d said what was printed. If his grandfather was his father figure, it may have been devastating to him when he lost him, and if he saw him suffer, that would have crushed a young man. Don’t know why he was with his grandparents and not TN…I wonder what TN’s partner was like when Ron was living with her (did she have a partner?).
OMG!
I was just looking for stuff re Marie giving Chad a false alibi, and it is far worse than I imagined. If you watch this video at WESH, you will see Chad being taken away by two LE…the camera goes to Marie and they ask her if this worries her…for the only time ever, she looks very worried (imo), and then tells the tv reporter that she knows Chad was home because she lives 400 metres from him…OMG, OMG. So, she continued to give him a false alibi for days, to LE and tv, and in the context of him being taken away by LE. Please watch the video. Why in the world would she give him a false alibi into the disappearance of her own granddaughter? I’ll post the link separate in case it doesn’t go through…please let me know if it doesn’t post.
Here is the video link
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html
Sorry, not 400 metres…500 feet is what she says.
The other thing I’d really like to know is when Crystal took the life insurance policy out on Haleigh. Odd that she made payments to that, but refused to pay child support. It will be interesting if she tries to claim on it, as if no one has been charged, you can bet the insurance investigators will be investigating her very closely.
Ok, please watch the video of Marie giving Chad the alibi, before you read this. We all have done the time line to death re Ron, Misty & al, please bear with me while I go through the time line, as best I can re what was happening in Baker County that morning…
1. Crystal gets a call before 4am re Haleigh being missing. She says she knew it wasn’t a prank because she heard LE in the background.
2. Approximately 5am she calls her mother, then her father. Her father heads to the “scene”.
3. Shortly after 5am, Chad is spotted at a gas station.
4. 9am – Chad arrives home
5. Sometime after 9am, Marie & Crystal head to Satsuma.
That time line is very rough and I’d be grateful to any and all that recall the details to help me get it right.
So, given Marie only lives 500 feet from Crystal, and was awake from at least 5am, she had to have known that Chad was out, and very deliberately gave him a false alibi, and I assume Crystal did the same.
I do not believe for a minute that LE don’t have this family in their sights. Tommy was my #1 suspect, but after watching that video of Marie very nervously lying for Chad, combined with the life insurance and the warrant, Marie certainly has my top spot and I doubt I will sway from that.
As I said, that is only a rough timeline…there seem to be a few different versions of who phoned who when that morning, and I’d be grateful for help with that.
BTW, I think you are all asleep and will read this while I’m sleeping and not sure if the link to the video of Chad being taken away by LE posted or not, so if it’s not there and you want to find it, go to WESH….it is titled “Investigators continue search for Haleigh” and it is not dated, but they say that it is two weeks that Haleigh has been missing. So, two weeks after Haleigh disappears Marie is still standing by her alibi for Chad. Hmmmmm.
GRACE: How did you learn she was gone?
SHEFFIELD: Ronald`s mother, Teresa Nieves (ph), called me at 3:49 AM in the morning and told me that Haleigh was gone.
GRACE: And what did you do?
SHEFFIELD: At first, I thought it was a prank, kind of. And then she was, like, The police are there, and I heard them in the background and then it hit me that it was not a prank.
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From the CNN transcripts.
What could Fields have up his sleeve as to let MC enter a written not guilty plea? They have a video of her clearly selling. What other angles are there? She’ll do more time if she’s found guilty by a jury if she says she’s not guilty, right? She does know this is about the trafficking and not whether or not she murdered Haleigh.
Me – I’ll give you a “possibility” on the wacky Chad time frame. What is Chad’s last name? I’m opened minded. I’ll help do a search online for a more in-depth time frame on him.
…not murdered Haleigh, but harmed her on accident. “Murdered” is the wrong choice of words. Re: 8:49 am comment. I don’t think that MC could murder anyone.
Hello?
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
Is there anyone at home?
Good Morning Shockwave….I’m nodding but I don’t think you see me! LOL 😀
Gotta love Pink Floyd!
KeepItReal….huh? LOL
I thought that would get someone’s attention. I will think of your responses as a nod.
JB – my second to last comment is taken from a Pink Floyd song “Comfortably Numb.”
Anything new this morning Shockwave? I was reading “ME’s” post above about the timeline…the alibi for Chad, etc…..all good points….but somehow I’m still leaning towards the drug debt theory we were all on yesterday. How about you?
Great music, but I don’t know much about the needle and drugs thing. Not the best selection for our topic on Haleigh Cummings I guess, but I didn’t put all the lyrics on here.
Me – Reading through your posts, etc… I could easily be convinced that Chad and others were involved. However, what always brings me back to Ronald & Misty is their actions after the disappearance. If they were in the dark (which I would think they would have to be) about Chad, why marry Misty, coach Misty, put rat in mailbox, fight with Croslins, etc… If Ronald and the Croslins were not in the picture, I would be 100% convinced that the Sheffield crew was responsible.
Again, poor Haleigh. I pray that if she is gone that she didn’t suffer.
Shockwave said,in March 9th, 2010 at 9:23 am
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You sure got a nod from me, shock! Now that’s the way to wake somebody up!
I agree JB, but that time line is something to get to the bottom of. I just don’t lean towards the Griffis family either, but like I said, “I’m opened minded at this point.” I asked a question above. Why is Misty submitting a not guilty plea. She knows she was caught on tape selling. What is her lawyer thinking letting her do that?
Shockwave – sorry…not up on my Pink Floyd….haven’t really listened to it since the “80’s”…when we were listening to “The Wall”. LOL I certainly don’t remember all the lyrics! LMAO And actually, with the drug use in this bunch, the music is probably quite fitting.
KeepitReal – what do you think about the Chad time line?
Jill – I’m with ya….ME makes some very good and valid points but like you, I can’t get past all the “after the abduction” activities and behaviors. (much like the Casey Anthony antics if you ask me….sort of scream GUILTY). But ME may be onto something. I’m still keeping all options open and on the table because I certainly don’t know WHAT the truth is…but my gut is leading me toward the drug thug taking Haleigh.
From the beginning I have thought that Ronald accidently hurt Haleigh and Misty helped cover it up (her covering up included getting Tommy to help). However, I am leaning toward the scenario outlined in the “Nay Nay” letter. Maybe Haleigh was suffering from the “accident” and was given drugs to calm/ease her pain.
I am not sure if that is the case – Me’s (and others) theories make so much sense. I just hope we find out soon and also – I would love to see all of the children still in this huge web of dysfunction get help.
Ha Ha JB – I had to look those lyrics up. I knew the “Hello, is there anybody out there.” part. ROFL My 1st boyfriend (1990 – I know that dates me) loved Pink Floyd, and he took me to the laser light shows. Do they still do those? LOL
Shock, I’m like you…trying to keep an open mind. I just also keep going back to the behavior of the main “players” since HaLeigh disappeared and believe drugs play a big role.
Jill – my theory has changed many times since the beginning and it probably will change many times again. I just wish we’d get some movement of some kind on this case and find this baby!
Shock….like I didn’t show my age by saying I listened to Pink Floyd in the 80’s? ROFLMAO 😳
KeepItReal – I believe drugs played a big role too. Could be a retaliation kidnapping for drug debt…..could be an overdose…..could be the parents were so strung out that they hurt her a RSO snuck in and took her…..but like you, I believe drugs are at least partly to blame for this little angel going missing! Just not sure HOW exactly….but I DO believe without the drugs, this child would not have gone missing!
JB said,in March 9th, 2010 at 9:55 am
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JB, I always enjoy your posts and we always seem to be thinking along the same lines! Wish we’d get some news today and that HaLeigh can be brought home one way or another.
KeepItReal…hasn’t been any news in what seems like an eternity. If it weren’t for Jan and Simon (and us bloggers) keeping this story going I’m afraid Haleigh would be all but forgotten! 😥
PS…I enjoy your posts too…but I’m a little worried that you think the same way I do! You might want to seek psychatric evaluation! JUST KIDDING! 😀
JB said,in March 9th, 2010 at 10:33 am
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I always love your humor also. We surely do need it following this case!
So true about Jan and Simon and bnn site. This is the place I come to read about HaLeigh..first thing every morning and last thing at night…just praying for news..
KeepItReal – thank you…sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying! But not everyone enjoys my humor and I’ve been flogged for it a few times! LOL
I’m just hoping it is the quiet before the storm and LE is about to break this case wide open….could be just wishful thinking but it is what I’m praying for! That and a good looking wealthy man with a body of a GOD! But I’d even give that up if it meant Haleigh could be found!
Why do you think this case has such a hold on all of us? I mean, kids go missing every day. We all hear and read about them. But something about this little angel and her horrific story of the hillbilly crackhouse clan just pulls you in…..but WHY?
You are hillarious,JB. We must be looking for the exact same things, lol!!!
Yep, I said last night I thought it might be the calm before the storm…
You know, I’ve thought about that so many times, JB. I think the first time I saw HaLeigh’s pictures I just melted. And I think the family dynamics, or lack thereof, plays a big part.
Sometimes it just gets down right insane!
As long as we aren’t looking for (or at) the exact same wealthy good looking man with a body of a GOD! I don’t share and I’d hate to have snatch you bald! LOL
Although we could paint you orange and you could be a “stand in” for Art! LMAO
Me too…something about Haleigh’s picture just tugged at my heart. And then I guess the antics of the family just further sucks you in. The Caylee Anthony case was the first one I followed and I think it was those big eyes of Caylee that first got my attention…and then once again, the antics of the family that blew my mind and pulled me in. I never thought there would be another case like Caylee’s that would have me so consumed…and then along came Haleigh.
Gotta go to a meeting….will be back later to check and see if there is any news. Take care KeepItReal…I enjoyed chatting with you! HUGS!
JB said,in March 9th, 2010 at 10:53 am
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EXACTLY, JB! I didn’t even know what blogging was until I heard the 911 call on the news that Cindy Anthony made about Caylee. From that point on, I stayed on the computer, lol.
Then for this to happen to HaLeigh on the very day of Caylee’s memorial..well, strange to say the least.
I just couldn’t get past the actions of the “players” in these two cases. So here I still am………
I go through past videos all the time and the one today is Misty at the court house with Lisa geting the marriage license. A little girl is only been missing for 1 month and Misty is down right giddy. That always bothered me.And the interview with TN about the wedding, she doesnt oppose it at all, red flags all over the place for someone trying to find a missing child. Where they talk to Misty about Haleigh she doesnt relly act like she cares, just talks about how when she got pink tennis shoes Haleigh got some too. And how Haleigh would have wanted this. Its all so weird. jmo
ok LOL peeps I listened to Pink Floyd in the EARLY 70’s!! Yikes!
Agreed. I had listened to the taping of the Caylee Memorial and had just finished wiping away my tears when I heard about Haleigh. Then I thought, “Oh no, here we go again. Why?”
I was just going through past videos and saw the one where Rons lawyer is talking about Ron wanting to hire a PI through a nonprofit donation fund. What ever happen to that? Why did it never happen? It couldnt have been from lack of funds, since there are alot of Ron supporters. It never got spoken of after that interview why? jmo
keep it real, I,like you had never blogged before Caylee and HaLeigh….and oh yes the heart string tug is very familiar to me…as are the pink floyd lyrics…..
Dramaqueen, Don’t tell me…see if I can remember…Pink Floyd Dark side of the moon?
drammaqueen, maybe dark side of the moon was more late 70s….
hey tobias!!
methinks, Have you ever wondered why the PI never got hired? Was it just public relations?
Seems odd that it never got off the ground and never was mentioned again. All went silent after Ron did the Maury Povich show. JMO
I wonder if Cobra got out of his charges and got his license back? Does anyone know what happened in court? Has Hank gone to court for his doctor shopping charges? And what did he get? Well , gotta run till later Mom (81) has doctors appt. see ya all later today. jmo
I’m SO glad to see all my Pink Floyd friends here today! Loved Dark Side of the Moon.
I think I’m older than most of you, lol!
Yep, tobias, what did ever happen to the mystery PI guy?
Well, if the theory that this was retaliation for a drug debt is true, THAT would be why Ron didn’t follow through with the PI….the PI would be able to uncover the truth and Ron wouldn’t want that. Again, that just points the finger back at Ron. There are always PI’s offering their services….a bunch of them showed up at the Anthony’s front door and I’m sure someone offered their services to Ron as well (although I have no proof so that would just be my opinion only) and for whatever reason he didn’t want it….
I don’t know why the PI deal didn’t happen unless ron found out that misty may have been involved and he became scared that if she gets caught for that then he may be caught for something else…maybe something worse.
If HaLeigh od’d on rons drugs, and ron found out, he may have threatened her with death, until she told him she would cry rape and expose him for what he really is and this may have scared him into silence.
I wanted to add, this may be the reason for the marriage too…just a thought
Sorry just had to come back real quick to see if anyone else heard what I did about a big shipment coming in at about the time Ron pulled whatever on the drug dealer? I may have it mixed up and want someone else to listen again and see what they hear from Barb. JMO
Johhny Sheffield is on tape talking to cobra. Remember, Cobra was initially hired by J.S. as their P.I. Stupid move cuz J.S. talks too much and we all know Cobra will turn on a dime if he suspects anyone,even his own clients!!
Shoemaker is too smart to let any P.I. into their business. He prompts everything Ron says…
Fields has Misty entering a not guilty plea show she CAN have a trial.Doesn’t matter whats on camera, an attorney has lots of ways around that, and needs alot of time to work on it.
Satsuma is a small town, but most small towns w/close knit relations are the best places to get have small time deals..like a trickle down effect.
We lived in a moderate but fastly growing suburban area, lots of people were transfered there, lots of middle to upper class. The next town was small,old time,and alot of KIN, most of the drugs from New Orleans went straight there. You would never think it to see it. There were a very choice few who dealt in 3-5digit amts. Lots of business to spread around.
Do you think MC’s lawyer will try to say MC would not be selling if she had not been set up. Isn’t that really her only defense? I forget what technical word there is for it.
me said,
in March 9th, 2010 at 4:41 am
Ok, please watch the video of Marie giving Chad the alibi, before you read this. We all have done the time line to death re Ron, Misty & al, please bear with me while I go through the time line, as best I can re what was happening in Baker County that morning…
1. Crystal gets a call before 4am re Haleigh being missing. She says she knew it wasn’t a prank because she heard LE in the background.
2. Approximately 5am she calls her mother, then her father. Her father heads to the “scene”.
3. Shortly after 5am, Chad is spotted at a gas station.
4. 9am – Chad arrives home
5. Sometime after 9am, Marie & Crystal head to Satsuma.
That time line is very rough and I’d be grateful to any and all that recall the details to help me get it right.
So, given Marie only lives 500 feet from Crystal, and was awake from at least 5am, she had to have known that Chad was out, and very deliberately gave him a false alibi, and I assume Crystal did the same.
I do not believe for a minute that LE don’t have this family in their sights. Tommy was my #1 suspect, but after watching that video of Marie very nervously lying for Chad, combined with the life insurance and the warrant, Marie certainly has my top spot and I doubt I will sway from that.
As I said, that is only a rough timeline…there seem to be a few different versions of who phoned who when that morning, and I’d be grateful for help with that.
BTW, I think you are all asleep and will read this while I’m sleeping and not sure if the link to the video of Chad being taken away by LE posted or not, so if it’s not there and you want to find it, go to WESH….it is titled “Investigators continue search for Haleigh” and it is not dated, but they say that it is two weeks that Haleigh has been missing. So, two weeks after Haleigh disappears Marie is still standing by her alibi for Chad. Hmmmmm.
Me,
Chad Griffis?
I can’t find the video you are referring to…
Good Morning everyone.Im stopping by to read.I to come to this site because Simon,an Jan are keeping Haliegh an this case,alive.I have been keeping up with both of the Cases Halieghs An Caylees.from the start.
Im wondering if because Cobra was willing to go deep into the darker side,an drug world (Thank God he did,an was brave enough to go there for Haliegh) anyway im wondering if when he turned the tapes over to LE,that they did take notice,an thats why they set the UC drug bust up.Because of what Cobra found out.I do hope he was able to keep his Lic.,so he can contenue to help in cases like this one.Ill admit what i have read,it seems this drug issue has been going on a long time in those areas. Wonder why it hasnt been cleaned up before Haliegh went missing,an now.
So many things could have happened to her.Bless her little heart,i pray she is found.An who ever did something to her.Will be caught,an convicted of their crime.
I to worry about the sex trade industry.If it was to do with pay for a dept owed. I saw a show where children Halieghs age had been stolen,an placed in houses,an many sick bast–ds were going there.Many wicked people are in this world.Theres a few different things that could have happened to Haliegh mentioned here.I just hope someone can unravel what happened.
She was a darling little innocent child,with her whole life ahead of her.My heart breaks for Haliegh each time i see her little face,in a photo.So many children are being abducted/murdered/or abused.Its a shame. What ever happened i hope it comes to the light.An shes found alive.But a yrs a long time.It just doesnt look good.
Tobias: IF this theory is true,Ron burned the dealer by trying to sell on the side to get money for himself; the way it works is the big shipment arrives,someone like Ron gets his portion to distribute; BUT if Ron had taken money off the top to make his own side deals,(fronting) and then screwed himself over by not even making enuf to get back what he owed originally, now theres big trouble!!
OJ’s glove – you always make these off the wall statements (just like where OJ’s glove was found). For example: “I would bail Misty’s nubile body of jail in a second if I had an extra 1.3 layin around.” Nubile meaning “sexy”. Why do you do that? Also, why do you pick “OJ’s glove” as your post name? OJ’s glove is a “mystery” still today. So, OJ’s glove, are you the mystery to the Haleigh Cumming’s case, or are you just a prick who wants to come on here and mess with everyone’s mind who cares about the fact there is a missing little girl?
I do think the reason Mistys Lawyer,entered not guilty/by Mistys note.Is because before a jury.Each charge for each sale is set up 1-8 different counts.
She could be found guilty of several counts/an not guilty on some.
LE set the drug sting up to make themselves look like they were DOING SOMETHING.
Keep attention on the theory of Misty, etc…
There’s no selling Haleigh, no sex trade industry. Again, the major objective is leave no trail.
Let me say this, this is a theory, but as I said, this was all explained to me by someone who used to do this. No lie. And I’m not Moo!!
I’m not trying to act like a know it all.
This crap is overwhelming to me, and I wish I had the guts to say who sat me down and told me how these thing really work. what goes on behing the scenes,and how it trickles down, all the way from the top..too close to home.“
Gotta run,ill stop by later to read.An see if anythiing new has come up.
Praying always for little Haliegh.
See you back soon, Jan57!
It’s overwhelming to me, too, ronfan!
TJ has a bunch of new audio up on sky new..
this one Misty says if she talks it will hurt 2 people..
http://audio.thesky973.com/m/audio/29736658/misty-jail-call-1-2-9-10.htm
OJ’s glove said,in March 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
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OJ, I’m not touching that one, but I sure hope if you’re ever planning on it, you WILL wear a “glove”…YIKES
keepin it real
He’s not keeping it real KeepitReal – OJ makes these obscure sexually blasted or ridiculous statements and then runs off with his tail tucked in between his legs. Who does things like that? SO’s that’s who. I’m gonna go for now before I really say something terrible. I’m going to go meditate.
I have a question?
I thought that there were more jailhouse tapes released.
Like on March 4th or 5th?
But I can’t seem to find them.
sky news has a bunch of new audio up. on this one she says if she talks it will hurt 2 people that they care about. she is talking to Chelsea
http://audio.thesky973.com/m/audio/29736658/misty-jail-call-1-2-9-10.htm
Ky mom, the only ones I’ve seen were just snippets on news4jax.
Ky mom: just in. On the home page.
Jan57 : right; and if u plead guilty, you don’t get a trial,hearing or anything.You just get the sentence by the judge.
I doubt she’ll do less than 3ys, if even that.
Probably 6months, then prob.
Shockwave said,in March 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
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Shockwave, please do some meditation for me while you’re at it. Some days this is all just too much.
But those are not new those have been on Nancy Grace for weeks.
Why don’t they upload all the jailhouse tapes? Not clips but all the tapes?
on the old clips I Noticed Misty was saying she would tell Leonard something but then after her attorney talked to her she said I don’t know anything to tell him.
I also think it is odd that she really didn’t mention about missing Haleigh until she figured out she was being recorded.
There is a NEW ARTICLE with MORE AUDIO TAPES!
Those aren’t the new tapes on the home page? Idk, i just saw the headline but didn’t read it. Goin to take my 3yr old cutie to the park.
bye for now.
The tapes on the home page say there from T.J. Hart.
Some are having trouble posting, just checking
THanks Ronfan……
You don’t get to see the new video on NG because she wants you to watch the show. I know, it’s frustrating. I don’t have time to watch an hour of basicly the same thing over and over again. I would rather just catch up online, but it’s rigged to get you to watch on tv.
Sorry if I’ve been irritable guys. I don’t feel well. I kept a child last week that was sick, and I think I may have it now.
Hey Guys! Anything new?
RonFan,I have never believed Ron,or Misty harmed Haliegh with their own hands.Some may,but i dont unless evidence is there to prove otherwise.I agree theres many thing that could have happened.An never ever would i think Ron would sell his precious daughter.That was just a statement.That things like that are happening now days,even here in Americe.
An if it turns out to be true about drug dealers kidnapping Haliegh.That they also could be involved in the sex trade.Now it could just be adult prosttutes.Or they could not be doing anything like that.Strange unbelievible things are happening all over the world with children.
We rarly heard of when i was growing up-Im 52yrs old.Seen a little of it all.Actualy knew people like this from my home town speaking of those Cobra was talking to on tape.I was born in Sanford Fla. but raised in a small town in the Carolinas. Now live in Myrtle Beach-where we had a teen go missing last yr,an still hasnt been found.I Did a lot of things growing up,Im not proud of,but learned valuable lessons from it. I was Molested when young.Thats why i worry maybe a SO got Haliegh.Pervers are everywhere in small towns,as well as cities. I Traveled 28 states working in construction/pipfitter- an have met all types.Just letting you know some about me,an why im here.
I care about children.An Haliegh touched my heart.I dont come join people to chat ,to get upset.Even thought sometimes this is a very upsetting case.I always when reading others post, step back,an reread.So i dont take whats said the wrong way.Most people mean well,an want a missing child found.An many have their own thoughts on who did this,or how it could have happened.
But the main goal is everyone wants Haliegh found,an the person who did this held accountable.I do love stopping by an reading everyones thoughts,links,an insights to what they know about this case.Haliegh deserves to be brought home,if alive,or deaceaed.for closure.So those grieving can know what truly happened.I know these family member,are broken hearted,an Ron has to be.Its the loss,an not knowing thats so very bad.I mean this child just vanished!!!!
Ky mom said,in March 9th, 2010 at 2:03 pm But those are not new those have been on Nancy Grace for weeks.
Why don’t they upload all the jailhouse tapes? Not clips but all the tapes?
on the old clips I Noticed Misty was saying she would tell Leonard something but then after her attorney talked to her she said I don’t know anything to tell him.
I also think it is odd that she really didn’t mention about missing Haleigh until she figured out she was being recorded.
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Right KyMom,i know whatcha mean!
me said,in March 9th, 2010 at 4:41 am Ok, please watch the video of Marie giving Chad the alibi, before you read this. We all have done the time line to death re Ron, Misty & al, please bear with me while I go through the time line, as best I can re what was happening in Baker County that morning…
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Hmmmm,that is news to me!
brb gonna find that vid Me mentioned!
Good morning/afternoon everyone,
Thanks for your thoughts re my posts…different time zone here, so I wasn’t able to reply!
Re the video, it seems the link didn’t show up. You can watch it by going to wesh/com.video/ then 18778183/index.html after the slash. Hopefully that will get you there. I’d love to hear what others think about that video! Marie is asked if she’s concerned when she sees Chad being taken away and she says “no, no…”, but sounds to me to be very concerned.
I had never seen that video,and they know MG lied about him being home,WTH?
re: Me and Methinks,I never knew till yesterday you were 2 seperate ppl!LoL So i hope I have never mixed you 2 up in a bad way and got ya confused!If i have,forgive me!LoL
Gotta run bye for now.
CathyJo,
Lol re me and methinks. You must have wondered if we had split personalities!
Did you watch the video? It’s the only time I’ve ever seen Marie rattled, and boy she looks rattled.
Since the money was marked and Misty even claims in one of the videos to the UC that Ron gave her the money instead of keeping it she is concidered the ringleader in the drug dealing. Guess a jury is better than a judge since juries are usually less harsh, that could be why they are going that way instead of a guilty plea. jmo
Misty would have gotten off much better if she would have acted like Hope. Notice how she never says anything? She is the one who will get off easier, Misty comes off as running the show along with Ron. This is their true selves this is how they truely are in real life. jmo
And by all the comments about how they know who has what drug and who they can get drugs from for the UC you can bet they have been doing this for a long time. JMO
Jan57, I agree totally!! Plus, as you can tell from my screen name, I’ve always believed in Ron from the 1st time I heard the 911 call. I was watchn Nancy Grace w/Caylee case, and then,she came on w/the Haleigh 911 call; omg,I stopped in my tracks,I couln’t believe it, another little angel gone??I started crying,(I was painting my bathroom,and even dropped the darn brush!)i will never forget the pain I heard in Ronald’s voice,so desperate,confused,and horrified.
The fact that he wasn’t afraid to say what he said:I was like,amen! Finally someone is not afraid to threaten whatever monster took a child.And he still stands by his word,that’s why I like him.
What I have posted is only a theory,based on those new Cobra/Barbara tapes, I would have never thought it; I knew Ron was in the drug bus.somehow,as he admitted it to all the media; he said his legal history is public record,whoever wants to see,do it!!(did u see the geraldo rivera interview?)
That’s why the whole “drug sting” thing has never made sense to me; Ron acts like he’s new to it,and says things that no experienced d.d.would. (even in a car)and there is no way that he would have himself out in the open like that.
It’s all just too weird.
And he always states things that are so sly, like he’s blatantly giving out hints. People just don’t notice it.
The only time he shows emotion is about Haleigh, him being implicated in it.
He didn’t even show any emotion when he was arrested in the “sting”…cuz,to him,its probably no big deal.(the mug shot?he’s not loaded,he’s laughing.)
Im still convinced he purposely went along w/sting,in what capacity,idk,maybe per himself,or could have been U.C. himself, as part of a scheme to arrest Misty.
Why? Because the main objective was to HAVE SOMETHING TO ARREST HER FOR.
I firmly believe she is being used by LE.
The more we write,the more we go crazy!!!!!!
The theory is not mpo,I believe no matter what,Ron didn’t have ANYTHINGY to do w/Haleigh’s disappearance.
R U Kidding Me said,
in March 9th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
DON’T TALK TO HER LIKE THAT!! She has more character in her little finger than you have in
your whole chicken chit body.
Why do you keep changing names to post??
i know barabra freeman very well and she didnt tell all the truth…..and i also know jerome williams and there is more to this….i havent seen or been around these people in years but you dont have the whole truth and you didnt get the truth from barbara or jerome…this is the only comment u will see from me….keep digging
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