1st!!
thanks simon, say hi to jan for me

lfj, I hope the other side did in fact take Haleigh.

I am not one to jump to conclusions but I really do not like hearing what I THINK I am hearing on tape 2. I haven’t listened to them all yet. I get too emotional and have to take breaks.

Tape 1, I got nothing from. I really could not understand more than a word or two here and there.

Those audios were interesting.Lord if it is a drug deal gone bad.I doupt they ever see Haliegh again.Of coures these people could just be thinking this,with in their hood.
every one has a theary.

Old Cobra fits right in.No wonder he is a good hunter lol.Now i know why he talks so bad.He just has to learn when he comes away from that crowd.To change his speach for the public lol.Hey hes brave-gota give him that.

Who was the woman that they sad got whipped about 10 times a month? What a mess.Why wasnt a drug task force cleaning this mess up long ago? Sounds like theres been dealing in drugs in Putnum,an surrounding cos.for yrs.I read not long ago where a black man was speeding towards putnum co line. LE got after him.He jumped from speeding rental car,it hit a tree.An that man ran on foot.LE found exceptional amount of pot,in trunk .Dogs were brought out.man caught wasnt caught at that time..He had dark pants on,an no shirt.well gotta run.

Simon & Jan,i do love your show.An glad you have inside con.so we can hear these audios.Tell your friends,an for you to.Keep up the good work.Maybe this case will one day be solved.

Poor little Haliegh.Bless her heart.They knew she was Rons baby girl,an some dirty bas—d took her.My heart breaks for her.

It would be alot easier if Simon would just tell us what he heard on tapes since so many of us can’t make out the words.

Cathartic, I pray this is not the case. This is horrific. Haleigh is a beautiful little girl. They should have took it up with the one who burned them, not this innocent angel!!!!!!

I agree the 26/27,000 owed to dealer-then i to thought of what had been said about 35,000.Could it be thats why Ronald makes the threats openly.He thinks its these drug dealers,he (may have ripped off).An knows they will hear the news.But Misty may have not been with Ronald at the time he ripped them off.Hadnt she only been with him around 4 mo.?

Oh My this case-an thoughts of what could have happened.Sends shivers up my spine.Could that be why Ronald told undercover,about he believed that a drug deal gone bad the person would have everyone killed (Misty,Ron Jr ,an Haliegh.)Just not take Haliegh. It would seem strange they would just take Haliegh!! This is upset me,ill have to go check my blood pressure.Just the thought of it.

Looking for Justice> you ask some good questions!!

April, I thought that too. But if they wiped the whole family out it would definitly point to the drug dealers and cause a slow down in their activities.Sad to say they hurt Ron bad for what he did and also made an example out of him for everyone else in the area. He cant roll on them if he wants everyone else to stay safe too. Misty was in on this too you can bet she knows everything too. jmo

LE wants Ron or Misty to name the drug dealer who did this. Ron knows who he ripped off and so does Misty. Tell em talk or rot in jail. jmo

Hi Cathartic,

Ron wasn’t taking Crystal to court, the State was. Ronald didn’t file a complaint about non-payment of child support.

What worries me in what I could hear on the tapes was Donny having custody of a child, I’d like for DCF to investigate.

Also, Charles Jones? There’s that name again!

OK, TY Noreen. I wasn’t sure how it was done there.

I’m with you Cathartic. I don’t like what I hear. Why wouldn’t the police listen to all of this and bust up into these “hotels” and look behind walls and in basements, or even back yard sheds to find little Haleigh. WHY ISN’T THERE MORE MOVEMENT ON THIS!? I’ll tell you why, because one or some of the Palatka police officers are dirty, and in on whatever happened to Haleigh just as much as the rest. They’ve sought Misty out and thrown her butt in jail, because it makes them look like they’re doing something. If I’m wrong, then I want LE to bust up into these joints looking for Haleigh.

Don’t be talking bad about Cobra neither. He has to talk their language and it takes a brave man to go down there and talk to these people face to face. You think these people will talk to someone who talks like he came right off Wall Street? H NO!

OK, just wanted to be sure I was not being misunderstood. 🙂

If this is what really happened to Haleigh it wasnt the people in Satsuma but the people who were supplying Satsuma. Haleigh if and its a big if shes alive she wouldnt be in Satsuma.
Even Jerome says he isnt the big seller he is just the little guy. Ron and Misty peed off the real big people and you can bet thats why they were all sleeping in one room. And why Ron has a carry conceal gun. And thats why he totally derailed the investigation and got upset when Geraldo brought up the drugs.
This must have happened close to that weekend.
Why did LE discount all of this info? Maybe they didnt and thats why Ron and Misty are ehind bars right now. If they came in to the hood they could cause a drug war and alot of people could have been hurt. jmo

One thing is for sure. Now that the tapes are out Satsuma and the surrounding areas are gonna be really nervous. Donny Spells better hide and some of the other people mentioned have gone underground. If you notice NayNay, Amber, and others have been awfully quiet or have gone somewhere else. JMO

If RC has $26,000 from the Big Dealer then where is it? What did he do with it? If RC is such a big seller, why was he only selling 18-35 pills at a time to the UC officer? Why did he owe rent on MH? It doesn’t make sense.

However, DCF need to go and save NayNay’s baby.

Is Charles Jones the BIG dealer?

I know this is not the theory that most people want to hear. We’d all much rather think HaLeigh is alive and thriving and happy. The drug debt theory leaves no room for that possibility, so we would rather “throw it out”.
I’m a realist, not an idealist, and I just don’t think R would “protect”, much less marry someone who he thought had ANYTHING to do with the disappearance of his “heart”.
Maybe the bad guys threatened R and M both by saying “if you tell anyone anything, we’ll kill HaLeigh”. They would have to be pretty naive to think these scum would actually hold this child hostage for over a year. I just don’t know. JMO

Tobias – why didn’t I ever put that together? That makes complete since. That they all slept in the same room for a reason, and the gun necessity. Your thought made me think of another thought…this is also why R was worried when he could not get in touch with M.

cathartic – I’m not saying whole-heartedly that LE is corrupt. I’m just saying, why aren’t they out there looking in all of these “propagation” hotels, and elsewhere. How many times was there a “confession” on the tapes Cobra had about drugs , where LE could have legally requested a search warrant and carried it out. Can’t the FBI, CIA whatever, plant a bug in these places.

Tobias – are these tapes just now being released for the first time?

$26,000 in drug debt, in my opinion, would NOT be for pills. It would be much bigger than that.
Sometimes drug dealers front the drugs to the little guys to sell. Then they want their money. Problem is, sometimes the “little guys” DO their profit themselves. Thus, running up a huge bill that cannot be paid back. JMO

When you listened to the show and not just the audio, Barbara starts off by saying that she thinks or knows people have given a child to drug dealers before, in order to pay back debts. Is this why R and M were working on selling drugs to make cash? In the drug bust video, what was it the UC cop asked R? Something about is this a good retirement plan for you? Then R, said something to the affect, “or something.” I’m gonna try to listen again. Be back shortly.

The FBI need to be WORKING this case. This is a joke. I thought MG requested the FBI to take over?

They need to drag NayNay, Amber, White boy Greg, CHARLES JONES, Donny Salles, Barbara Freeman et al to an interogation room and question them over and over and over again.

I still don’t see where the $26,000 went to.

Tobias,

If RC stole roxies and oxies where are they, did he re-sell them?

Shockwave, Ron and Misty took 200 pills to sell for the UC. Ron said if he couldnt sell them he could make enough money to (eat them himself) pay for them. UC says retirement plan and Ron says no but a good kick( money to play with).If you go back and listen to what WBG says Ron went in and stole from a smaller drug dealer waving around a gun. It was also mentioned early on that someone overheard Misty complaining about getting bad drugs.
So many stories came out about their drug activity in the beginning and everyone (even NG) discounted what a bunch of druggies would know. jmo

Charles Jones said on the Levi Page Show that he has talked to LE on numerous occasions. Perhaps he needed some charges to be dismissed and chose to get close to Misty for info and shared it with LE. Remember Charles Sr. telling Ron on Mistys voice mail that he knows exactly what happened to his daughter.

Justice put up a link a couple of months ago for the FBI most wanted and Haleigh is on there. Telling everyone if they see Haleigh do not try to do anything themselves but to contact the the U.S. embassy or whatever that foundation is called. Warning these people that may have Haleigh are dangerous.

Shockwave,

LE may very well be doing all the things you say they should be doing. They may very well have listened to these tapes and got info from them. They may have surveillance on other people. They are not telling us anything, but that does not mean they are not doing anything.

I have seen corrupt LE, oh yeah…but I also have seen some exceptional efforts on the part of LE.

I think we all just have to wait and see what happens next.

Cathartic and Tobias I agree with both of your post.

I know, I know. They just are not moving fast enough, and I really doubt if they had her that they still do. I’ve thought from the beginning this whole thing was drug related, but it may not have even happened like this. This Barb person may be another pawn to throw everyone off track, or she could just be crazy. Years of having to work for a pimp in order to pay off a debt can do this to a person. Maybe she was kidnapped a long time ago, just like maybe Haleigh was.

I feel Barb is afraid for NayNay. And since she has been in the life and is 50 I tend to believe she has seen and heard alot of what is happening. Like she says she and her friends only come to Satsuma to sleep it off, she parties somewhere else.jmo

looking for Justice said,in March 8th, 2010 at 1:57 pm Anyone remember the poly questions that were released by TM? Misty scored like a 40% they said it meant she did not know the person who took Haleigh from the mh and failed the rest because she knows what happened up to that point.
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I agree, lfJ! The big guys don’t go do their own dirty work, lol. They send one of their croanies to do it for them..for a small “fee”. So M probably knows WHY HaLeigh was taken, if this theory is true, but doesn’t know exactly the person who actually came in and took her out of the MH. JMO

cathartic said,in March 8th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
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Bingo, cathartic!
Great insight.

good point! Cathartic

LFJ, I just watched the voice test and you are correct she was 40% deceptive to Rons involvement. And wow that statement about the blanket and pee is so intense almost crazy.
Why no mention of the visit from GGM Sykes???
I have always found that odd. And why the gun in the mouth statement at the end? She says 4 peole first then goes back to 3. She slips and says Tommy was there that night. In my opinion she knows everything…… JMO

IF this is the scenario, then that means there’s hope that HaLeigh is still alive; yet I have my doubts about the care she would be getting all this time from the “guardians”.
Reminds me of the movie “Man on Fire” with Dentzel Washington and Dakota Fanning. Exactly what happened…

WOW…all of this has my head spinning but you guys are really on a roll! Everyone is making excellent points and all of the pieces seem to fit! This theory actually allows all the facts that we know to date fall right into place from the call to Misty that night, sleeping together in one room, Ron carrying a concealed weapon, why he seems to cover for Misty (because she knows about his major drug deals) and why he married her, why they are still hanging out together, all of the comments that have been made, why Nay Nay has fallen silent…..the comments about “Larry” and the “$26,000″……It could also explain why LE had all these folks behind bars. They may be about to make a major bust and they wanted these folks safely behind bars and out of their way.

And while we’re all frustrated with the Satsuma LE…IF the FEDS are involved due to some big time drug busts about to go down…they could be telling the small town LE to stand down and stay out of the way. That may be why we don’t see a lot of movement and why they can’t and don’t say much. This could be bigger than we know! But if this IS truly the correct scenario I don’t see that Haleigh would still be with us. They would have snuffed her out and dumped her a long time ago. She would have been dead as soon as they got her out of there and that breaks my heart to think about.

I say if she is gone find em and fry em. jmo

Remember the little boy that was stolen over drug deals and was returned alive? The kidnappers took him to Mexico and he was found wandering the streets there, alone. That was only a week or two after he was taken, but it is one case where the child came home alive.

Does anyone know whether Donny Spells has been questioned recently? Hope he knows he is being talked about and tells all before he gets silenced (if he knows anything about this).
I was wondering why NayNay hasnt been in jail lately. And Amber B. took off right after she got clear of her charges too.HMMM. JMO

JB said,in March 8th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
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JB, I agree with everything you said!
Is this the missing piece of the puzzle? Is this why M and R NEEDED to be behind bars because more arrests are forthcoming?

What has ticked me off when we saw Donnie S bookings that he would get custody of that child.Especially since around that time his kid was arrested for some things.What kind of dept would put a child in that environment?The poor child is better off with neither parent.He got NayNay pregnant when she was so young,he should have gotten in trouble then,but they turn around and give him the child?GMAB Charles J has tried too hard this whole time to throw any suspicion off of himself,IMO.What Cobra said in that audio about getting Misty in jail on a high bond until she talks is exactly what they’ve done.

Dang…gotta get some work done…I WILL check back later! Man, I sure hope the end is in sight for this case and our little angel is about to be brought home…bless her little heart and soul! Keep up the good sleuthing folks….bbl

Right, Tobias, they probably feel much safer behind bars right now.
Drug dealing, even in a small town, is a dangerous game..even for the “penny ante” dealers.
This is serious stuff, but has always tugged at my mind because it just seemed to be the only thing that added up.

If she was saying it about Crystal you would believe every word.

Keepitreal, From the beginning I thought it was all Misty and I thought Ron was clean because of his job. I thought her actions from that weekend led to this. That whatever she did followed her home. And with her brother being a drug user and robber I suspected him too. But after Ron kept defending her , married her, kept in contact with her and was arrested with her, I feel so sad for how Haleigh and Junior lived. I hope that they find out what really happened and the person(s)
who took her pay. JMO

But,things were being put out in video and audio online that LE had already been doing,they had already interviewed WBG,Amber and NayNay.They had already been working on catching Jerome and that bunch arrested with him.I don’t blame them for being angry about everything they were working on put out online.It sounds like they kept saying stop and it wasn’t.Is that what happened or just what it appears to be,it gave bloggers info,but at what price?

WinterRose, LE did not say stop. They never said do not release those tapes. TJ handed them over to LE as soon as he got them, and they never replied yes they are important or no they are not important.

They may not be important at all and LE knew that already. I do not think anyone has released info that they were asked to keep confidential, imo.

WoW everyone one has really brought things up.That could put this as being what happened.I am reading each an every post.

I just pray Haliegh is found,an this case is solved.

Ronfan – and if this is true, why wasn’t Shaniya Davis spared? Why was she murdered? Why are there several thousand minor girls in the sex trade being told they have to pay a debt they do not owe? Why are some of them murdered?

I dont see the tapes as BS because they were made around the time NayNays letter came out and the pond got drained. Everyone was saying way back then that Ron was a dealer and we all thought that was BS too. Now we know it is the truth, since he is in jail and on video tape doing just that. jmo

WinterRose said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
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Great point, winter!
R also said on one tv appearance “please bring her home; she’s not a piece of property”!

me said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:42 pm DustyRose….once again, I agree with you. The local junkies must be loving this…they are all getting their 15 minutes. They are not used to people believing their tales…most know not to trust junkies….so they must be loving all the bloggers gobbling up what they say as though they are credible!
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Respectfully, me, a lot of “bloggers” have been saying this since the beginning and not just since the “junkie” tapes came out yesterday..Just sayin..

Not blaming all on LE, I think that they have made mistakes in the beginning, the door not being taken in earlier on… things of that nature, as far investigating. HaLeigh’s well-being was the responsibility of the people in her life!!

And if this is how it played out…the whole rat in the mail box…because Tommy knows something as well. He wanted to get his sis out of all this mess, and so that is why RC and TC were fighting. TC wanted to talk, so RC put the rat in his mail box to call him a rat, and possibly to threaten him. Then they all agreed to sell drugs to make money to either get Haleigh back, or to keep Jr. safe. If RC didn’t put the rat in the mailbox, then possibly TC just thought he did, and it was actually someone involved in taking Haleigh (one of the drug lord’s leeches.)

I am only 50/50 on the dealer retaliation theory. It makes sense and I think today’s/last night’s discussions have been great. However, something about it doesn’t seem real. This crew (Ronald et al.,) just seem too small-time for this. Stories of children/families killed because of drugs seem to happen in large cartels… Maybe I am naive. If we were talking hundreds of thousands of dollars – I could buy it. Ronald and crew are not sophisticated enough. Does that make sense? I do agree that drugs are involved but I don’t think someone took Haleigh hostage or harmed her because of a deal gone bad. Just my opinion, of course.

Regardless of who is ultimately DIRECTLY responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance, all of these people are to blame. Crystal for not staying in her life and choosing drugs over her kids. Crystal’s family for making the same choices. Ron, Misty, Ronald’s parents, Misty’s parents – all of them. They do not put their children first. They say it takes a village to raise a child – poor Haleigh did not have a village. It breaks my heart.

KeepitReal,

This is not the first set of junkie tapes we have seen in this case…far from it….we’ve heard from nay nay and others before too. I don’t believe any of them.

I don’t “gobble up” anything in something as serious as a beautiful little girl taken out of her home at night without a trace. I, among many others, have had over a year to listen to everything that’s been put out so far, and this just seems to be the one theory that makes sense across the board.
Conspiracy theories, “haters” on either side of the families involved, not buying it right now.
We all want to hang on to the concept that HaLeigh is alive and well, and I hope that’s the case. It just seems that many avenues have been explored and they’ve been a dead end street.
Like I said earlier, I HOPE I’m wrong!

tobias said,in March 8th, 2010 at 3:49 pm NG even made a statement that junkies(dopeheads) cant keep a secret and as much as it pains me she may be right. They are not keeping secrets they have been telling all along what happened. jmo
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Well, if NG said it, it must be true….lol!!!

Actually, what NG said was that she didn’t believe the story…she believes that if a bunch of people were with Misty at a party that night, someone would have spoken up…and I agree with her on that.

ME, Then why cant you believe Barb when she speaks up? Police use drug addicts as informants all the time. Most people know that when you have a little too much to drink you get loose lips, so why is it so hard to believe?? JMO

Shockwave said,in March 8th, 2010 at 4:01 pm Is it possible that if TN use to get RC out of trouble because of where she worked that other dealers were set up. So, they are out to get RC for ratting out other dealers to save himself?
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Shock, good question. Initially very early on after HaLeigh went missing, I honestly thought this was a case of R being a “snitch” due to his arrest record and no convictions. In the drug world, a “snitch” is considered to be just as bad, if not worse, than a debtor, in their eyes.

tobias,

Junkies tell “stories” for their own personal gain. They will lie, cheat and steal to get what they want. Barb sounds like a disgusting junkie to me, and I don’t believe a word she says. If you want to believe every junkie that comes along and says something bad about Ron, that’s a matter for you. If you only watch tv and only get your ideas from tv and NG etc, I can see how you might feel that way. Those of us that have to deal with junkies know better.

Me, NEWS FLASH…. Ron is a junkie.

looking for Justice said,in March 8th, 2010 at 4:05 pm NG said a bunch of dopeheads. Tobias is correct on that quote. That was the show where Ron started laughing and everyone noticed he was on something. Rons eyes were as big as saucers.
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“everyone noticed”….you don’t speak for me when you say “everyone” or many of the other posters here. That was your opinion, not mine.

tobias….NEWS FLASH….Crystal is a junkie and so is Chad!

looking for justice…respectfully, I don’t agree about the pieces fitting together. IMO, the most likely suspects are the ones with motives….Tommy & his family, Crystal & her family, or an SO that watched the house. I think the reason this case has gone cold is because LE didn’t properly investigate these players at the relevant time. Cyrstal and her family had the strongest motive and have been lying since day 1, starting with giving Chad a false alibi.

omg…sorry about all those posts….didn’t mean to do that!!

looking for Justice said,in March 8th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
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I agree with you, as always.
I would LOVE to think HaLeigh is with ANYONE who is loving her and taking good care of her. I think that’s why so many of us want to hang on to some other theories because our minds won’t allow us to go to that “other place”..that DARK place..where she is no longer alive. But we have to be realistic and prepared. Like they say, hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

me, I totally respect your opinion. I believe though that if this has anything to do with Haleighs disappearance these drug dealers definitely had a motive.

Me, than why is it out of the realm that Ron was indirectly involved by his actions with drugs? jmo

Me,
I don’t believe RC hurt his child anymore than I believe Crystal would allow a year to be taken out of her child’s life,because she owed money.Come on,would Crystal’s family have taken HaLeigh out of the home and left Jr alone?They knew how old Misty was,all they’d have to do is see to it RC got in trouble for living with a minor.They could have helped get him set up for drugs,anything.RC would not have married Misty if he thought she hurt HaLeigh.And if he thought Tommy or Misty hurt HaLeigh he would have done what he said he would do to anyone who took her.

tobias….other than the fact that crack is whack and crackheads do crazy things, the motive I see for Crystal and family is money.

I think there is a very slight chance it had something to do with Ron & drugs, but sooooo slight, right down the bottom of my list of theories.

LE have looked at Ron & Misty for over a year and have gotten nowhere with that theory….which speaks volumes to me.

Winter rose, I totally agree. In the situation I cna say I would not have acted like he did, Misty would have talked if I had to beat it out of her. I certainly wouldnt marry the person LE said was the key. And someone who failed poligraphs.JMO

WinterRose….I cannot eliminate Crystal & family as suspects based on the little info we have. I can see no rational explanation for Marie and Crystal giving Chad a false alibi, for the fake search, for the coincidence in timing of Crystal being served a warrant just the day before Haleigh went missing. Marie & crew, imo, seemed to not want Haleigh found from day one….every time they got on tv they carried on about Ron being abusive etc, instead of trying to find Haleigh. And talk about “inconsistencies” in the timeline…giving someone a false alibi is incredibly serious and I highly doubt it was done by accident. And I have to ask why they would do that?

me, You keep refering to junckies as liars. I just want to say that not all junkies are liars. Many of them are people like you and me. They are on drugs. Its the drugs that make good people do bad things. When I think of a junkie…I am only talking about people who injest their drugs intraveinous.(spell check) This is the worst kind of addict. It’s the end of the road. People like this are so addicted, they are no longer able to make moral decisions though at one time in their life, they were good people. It’s the drugs that make people this way. Once they seek help for their addiction, they can and will be able to change and become a trustworthy, law abiding citizen. People do change. I can’t speak for these people since they are only dry, (without drugs) they must change their attitude about the drugs for true change to occur.

methinks said,in March 8th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
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Well said, methinks!

I just want Haleigh to come home. She didn’t do nothing to nobody. If you are reading these posts, and you killed a little girl…you will reap what you sow. I’m out for now.

One question is bothering me. When Cobra turned over these tapes to LEis that when his trouble started and why LE wanted him out of there. Because he was too close to the truth and possibly messing up the investigation?
Did LE fear he possibly tip off the drug dealers before they could get enough evidence on them? I dont think Cobra would do it intentionally but he even says its getting intense and I dont think he thought it out soon enough. jmo

You know Tobias you could very well be right. He definitely went into some dangerous places.

WinterRose,

I’m curious (and mean no disrespect) as to why you think Marie & Crystal lied about Chad’s whereabouts that night and why they gave him a false alibi?

me @ 4:58 pm – I remember that interview. I believe Bowling was asked why someone would “fake” a search and he responded “I guess someone has their own agenda.” (Paraphrased but he did refer to it being part of someone’s agenda).

I always wondered why they didn’t follow up on that search. Find out who instigated it, what was the goal, what was whose agenda?

Maybe LE did but it’s another one of those things that we don’t know about.

m2c….that was a very interesting interview with Bowling!

I got the feeling that he was trying to get the point across that they had certainly not ignored the search, and may not have been getting info about it out there to the public for tactical reasons. He made me think that they didn’t want the people that were being looked at closely to know that. IMO, he was strongly hinting that the Griffis/Sheffields were at the top of the suspect list for PCSO, but that it wouldn’t help the case to let them know that.

me @ 5:02 – I’ll take that question (gosh that sounds like something out of a game show! lol!)

You asked why M and G would lie about Chad’s alibi.

I think there are two answers both of which could apply to many many things that have happened in this case.

1) It was a well-intentioned “white lie” just to protect a family member who they knew or believed was not involved in Haleigh’s disappearance.
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2) They’re covering up something
which could be (A)unrelated to the disappearance OR (B) related to it.

In other words there could be a fairly “innocent” and unrelated explanation or a more sinister and possibly related one.

Child endangering comes as 2. jmo

I tend to believe Barb when she said she wasn’t into hard drugs, but did enjoy her weed. I think it might be that she’s an alcoholic. I kind of thought she was alittle intoxicated. It doesn’t mean she was untruthworthy, it just means she was catchin’ a buzz, thats all. She seemed like an honest straight-up kind of person that was simply stating her opinion to Cobra…much like we do here with each other.

looking for Justice – Your question: “what would the charges be for those who have had knowledge and never came forward?”
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I am hoping that at this point LE is willing to deal on those charges, even not charge anyone if they will finally tell. I don’t know what else could shake the truth loose. If people think they’re going to get into trouble or MORE trouble they sure won’t tell.

methinks…Barb struck me as much more hardcore than that…the language she used was disgusting, and not that of a normal middle aged woman concerned about a missing child. Did anyone catch Barb’s last name?

methinks I felt the same way about Barb. She even sounded frightened talking to Cobra and telling him this info. I think she was being honest. JMO
I was talking about the key players…Me.

ComingonStrong,

Can you expand on that? I am a bit confused! I assume you are talking about something over than the Barb tapes?

Just checking today’s court records re Misty’s arraignment. Fields was assigned as her PD, she entered a plea of not guilty, and the case is now listed for pre-trial on the 6th of April.
http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/courtcaseweb/CaseDetail.aspx?caseid=192668

Glad you’re back, b*a!
Did any of the players have court today?

News4jax reporting that Misty was supposed to go in front of a judge today but entered a written “not guilty” plea.
Guess that just answered my question above, lol

Oh, thank you, plz. We were posting at the same time!

If you scroll up, you’ll see I provided a link to the court file re Misty’s appearance today.

me said,in March 8th, 2010 at 6:12 pm If you scroll up, you’ll see I provided a link to the court file re Misty’s appearance today
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I’m sorry, me! I can’t see your link yet!

The link is probably in MOD.

T. Holmseth was also the one who Cobra gave a recording to of himself talking to J.Sheffield about leaving the state so no one would arrest him. T.Holmseth also has info on how J.Sheffield is linked to organized crime. I know that some of the very knowledgeable posters on this site told me about T.Holmseth auditing his tapes and video, though, so I am more careful when I listen to them. I think it was m2c, so we need to keep a heads up on that. Alot of you know alot more than we do, so I’m eager to hear your theories. (I call you all the leaders!)
Just want to reiterate, what I posted earlier is not something I personally have thought, just that when I read about those tapes today, I started thinking about the unknown…and I’m not crazy, it really is someone very close to me…he is fine and sober now, thank God. In his younger life, started doing drugs, by age 17 he was “working” and making his own money…
He’s been following this case too, and today, after this new info, started telling me some of these things that really happen.

Oh…the link shows up for me so I thought it showed for everyone…sorry…off to vet now, but will do some looking into Barbara Freeman when I get back.

News4jax

Regarding the sound quality, when I’ve had to listen to muddy audio and figure out what it’s saying, I’ve have some luck with taking the bass down or out. Lot of treble and less bass is usually what helps me. Hope it helps.

I Know babrera freeman,not the same one though,lol gotta catch up!

You are correct Ron!

I am sorry but i just don’t think it’s very realistic to believe that some drug lords are holding Haleigh for ransom because it has been over a year now she’s been missing.One year is a long time to hide someone.Besides none of Misty’s BS stories add up I think she knows what happened and is lying and not to protect ron but to protect herself.Look at her jail tapes..She is number 1 in her book she wants out real bad if she wasn’t involved or could be at fault she would have come forward and said what happened, be it an accidental death,kidnappers etc in hopes of getting out .If Haleigh were kidnapped by Drug lords they would have slipped up by now and there would have been atleast one “sighting”.Instead she disappears without a trace and without and leads.Seems to me Misty is covering up for whatever it was that happened I still think Haleigh got into some drugs and passed away and while Ron was at work she hid the body.I could be proven wrong and I may be wrong but that’s just my opinion.

I should restrain myself from posting until I’ve read all posts, shouldn’t I?

Keep It Real;

Problem is, it costs money to keep a child. If a child is taken for a 25K debt, does the debt increase by the amount it costs to feed, clothe, and pay for medical care?

Who pays the ongoing cost of keeping a kidnapped child?

Jason, Hi!
I’m the one who posted that if this drug debt scenario is what really happened, then it would be naive to think HaLeigh would still be alive. I would think she would be a liability for drug dealers to be “carrying around” waiting for money to be paid to them. It was ronfan who suggested that drug dealers do not kill; rather they have “guardians” who care for the children until the debt is paid.
Personally, I don’t believe this to be the case at all….
Thanks, Jason, I love your posts!

ThugCops4Christ,

You’re right about the higher cost of cocaine. Generally, the poor buy crack.

A couple years ago there was a change in the unfair sentencing laws that put buyers of crack cocaine in prison for longer terms than those who bought cocaine.

I think if it was a back for a debt… then they probably don’t have HaLeigh anymore. I’m not convinced that’s the motive.

NG… just said that in the Laci Peterson case a dog tracked her from her home in Modesto to the Berkeley Marina… Ok… how is that… I would think that you would have to literally walk them on the hwy…maybe their nose was hanging out the car window?

I still think Jr had to have seen something that night. I’m praying he will have an epiphany like Elizabeth Smart’s little sister did months later. Of course, she was older than Jr so I just don’t know how much his little mind can absorb or remember.
I keep thinking if there was an accident or anything like that, Jr would know that because there would be a panic and chaos.
I just want HaLeigh brought home. One way or another.

So Do I ronFan! So do I!

Could this be the reason the Croslin’s want LP to move the whole family to Calif? Do they all fear what Misty knows could harm all of them if she tells? Was movinng them for protection part of the deal?

Something,I am sorry but knowing them just the first day,no way i am bringing them where i am! LoL

Buddy, all I know is that for months and months people covering this story have said that maybe Misty needed to be in some kind of witness protection program. So maybe you are on to something there.

CathyJo63 said,in March 8th, 2010 at 9:05 pm Allz i know,coke is 1.09 a bottle,clueless otherwise
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You’re cracking me up, CathyJo! I needed some comic relief!

i just don’t think its drugs,entirely i mean we all know its a big part but i don’t think its the motive!

Well you are so right there!! I don’t get accused of thinkin to offen Keepitreal!
Thats very true!

I gotta grab my helmet…ok got it on wiff some gas bombs in my pocket,LoL

but i think Cobra coUlda got alot more if he’d been allowed too!

b/c he did have the right frame of mind,you can’t go after druggies with a militia against them and expect answers!

Lord yes,Keepitreal,it would be so nice to wake up in the morning and know the truth!

Can’t even imagine what goes through your mind when you realize it,you know she was aware,i think!

Sorry,i shouldn’t even brought that up but like i said,I don’t think!

ronfan said,in March 8th, 2010 at 8:36 pm What I was trying to say is that the longer things go on, the less chance someone could be alive; but I am thinking that J.Sheffield has something to do w/it, and if u go back and listen to Rons conv w/his mom, he talks about Crystal in Texas and Montana; and I still believe the sightings in Kentucky where the witness identified one of the men as J.Sheffield, but when Holmseth investigated, there was no record of it being investigated either by LE or the actual goodwill store or gas station.
I’m just theorizing, so I am as baffled as everyone.
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I know exactly what you mean RonFan!

I mean my goodness,I don’t see how it could get any worse for Misty??

Like i said yesterday,Caylee’s case was so twisted and confusing but for the most part we all agree abut what most likely happened but this case,it twists everyday in a new direction!

But yet again i am still confused b/c of the tats and all!

Been wondering the same thing, CathyJo. Could be….

The article today on News4jax did say she was being grilled by investigators, so…….maybe she cracked..

I have always thought Ron and TN know exactly what happened to Haleigh. I have also thought Misty has been protecting Ron. Mist can’t keep the story straight because it is not her story, Ron and TN have the times and events of that evening down better than Misty. When asked a question about that night the answer the question directly as first hand knowledge, never do the say, well we were told or Misty said.. I still think Misty was told by them what to say, keep it simple.. Kids went to bed at 8, I went to bed at 10 woke up at 3 Ron came home at 3:24. Problem is, Misty could not keep it that simple, Ron and TN have it down pat. Ron knowing the exact time he cmae home is weird to me. Most people are not aware of the exact time in a situation like this, but he keeps reminding people the exact minute he arrives home from work. How did TN make it there by 3:30 when she lives 15 minutes away and why did she show up with a large glossy PIC of Haleigh, if they all just found out minutes before Haleigh was missing from her bed? There was not even enough time to check out the house and areas outside the home. They both also seem to rule everything out right away, Misty had nothing to do with it, Haleigh did not wander off, Misty was home that night, she did not eat pills.. They also never really questioned Misty’s story, WHY? Because they know what happened.

Cracked,lol

have you got the link Adams,my files were deleted with the virus,lol

?? Do you have a link to sighting in Kentucky where witness said one of the men was Marty Sheffield? I have not heard that

Right Buddy and also Ron said tho M told him at the door Haleigh was gone,and the bdoor was propped open,on n/g he said he checked inside first……i woulda been out that back door very first thing!!!!!!! She was safer inside??

Cathy if you click on her name in gold it should take you there..I will type it out…. the link may go to mod!

ohhhhhhhhh,ok,ty Adams..will try!

HGM is a lifesaver!

cent, I would also like to see hollygmas site. where do I go?

I had it till yesterday,lost every link i had!

Don’t say i didn’t warn ya!

It’s above MeThinks…

I got lost!

try it again!

KeepItReal said,in March 8th, 2010 at 6:39 pm Thanks TC4C. I didn’t even know we could do that, lol! I’ll give it a try.
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Oh! I remembered how to do it. Listen to the file in Windows Media Player and right-click on the bottom of the player. Choose “View” and then “Enhancements” and then “Graphic Equalizer.” Then, click the top little bubble that says–when you hover over it–“set equalizer sliders to move independantly.” That way, you can really experiment with what sounds most clear to you, which, now that I’ve tried it, may not be more-treble-less-bass.

Re “powder”…so many drugs come in powder form…cocaine, amphetamines, heroin, and as we all already know, Tommy was caught with, amongst other things, “powder” and a straw at the school bus stop and that powder turned out to be a prescription drug in powder form. Hard to be certain Ron was referring to cocaine….however, it is said to create a sense of euphoria in the user, and I suppose that many people who had lost a much loved child might crave that sense of euphoria at such a difficult time in their lives, so it is possible, but far from certain, imo.

Jason said,in March 8th, 2010 at 8:14 pm ThugCops4Christ,

You’re right about the higher cost of cocaine. Generally, the poor buy crack.

A couple years ago there was a change in the unfair sentencing laws that put buyers of crack cocaine in prison for longer terms than those who bought cocaine.
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Thanks, Jason. That’s exactly the old sentencing conflict I was thinking of.

That is some real intense stuff right there. Cobra really stuck his neck out to try and find Haleigh. It’s such a shame. If it really was some drug dealers who “stole” Haleigh, we may never, ever know what happened to her. Those people do not talk. It would also explain why Misty is so scared to talk. Her life would surely be over.
If anything, what I got out of these tapes is. that Cobra risked his life to try and find this girl.

Methinks check your pm

think we’d have the truth by now if he’d been allowed to stay!

cent yay! okay…here I go dancing off to check ..yippy! gosh it sure don’t take much to entertain me at this time of the night! LOL

My head is just spinning on all of the things people have said and done from the beginning in this case:
l. WBG said he heard that Ronald goes around stealing. He said that he had heard that Ronald walked in and robbed a drugman, and
anybody who would have the heart to take a gun and walk into a drugman’s stronghold and rob him was capable of most anything. He, also said Misty was into all kinds of drugs.

2. I heard right at the beginning of this case that the afternoon that Haleigh went missing, Ronald was in on a big confrontation with someone over drugs. That was one of the things that was said and, then, you didn’t hear it anymore.

3. Remember how MG caught ahold of CS’s hand, signaling her to hush during an interview. She looked scared to death. MG later said Ron had threatened CS several times that she had better keep her mouth shut. Maybe, it isn’t Ronald, but the drug guy that has threatened a bunch of people to keep their mouths shut. On NG, TN was asked about Ron being a possible drug informant, and you could tell it scared her to death. She said they were afraid for Jr., and people shouldn’t be putting that story out there.

4. Maybe LE wants to take their time wanting to get the bigger guys in the drug business. They said, at one point, it was a small town and they knew what everyone was doing. They said they didn’t want to pick them up on something little. They wanted to get them on something big. (not exact words)

5. They have never said Misty killed Haleigh. They said she held the key.

6. This would account for the, “I didn’t have anything to do with this——we—–f–ked,” statement on the 9-1-1 tape. Someone else, pointed that out earlier.

7. Misty said 4 people came into the house that night——–if someone puts a gun in my mouth, NuUHH! She said 4 people comes to her mind anout who might have took Haleigh, again, during that voice analysis test.

8. Misty’s statements about why didn’t they take me——-.

9. The reason why Ronald would go ahead and marry Misty. He wanted to make sure Misty didn’t talk and get him, Haleigh, his family or Jr.killed.

hmmmmm Karon,hey good to see ya!

If everyone were telling the truth it couldn’t be as complicated as it is.imo

oh thats just great! I just superglued my hand and a penny to my doggone desk!

Perhaps she didn’t watch her b/c she was aware of something? IDK! Just thinking outloud!

goodnight all

No,I think was in town?? I still havent relocated it,but gonna go try now!It bugs me!

Karen,

Your question,
3. Why was her pink shirt removed?

I’d also go so far as to add, Who removed it?

I would think that touch DNA could yield some answers to that question.

Is it possible that the pink Hannah Montana shirt really is the last shirt that Misty saw Haleigh in? Maybe Misty was not privy to an outfit or shirt change prior to Haleigh being taken by someone else?
Just thinking out loud here too.

Okay,here it is: As I said in my 1st post, if this theory is a possibility: it was never supposed to be exposed, as most cases like this are kept under the table; whoever was at the origin of this plan counted on the fact that this would have never been publicized. This is a well known rule.No one talks.

Ron had front money, he had the responsibility to pass it on, instead,he tried to use it to make a profit for himself. His plan backfired on him,he messed up,overshot his profits,ate some as well,people owed him, it goes down the line. big trouble. The amount of money involved shows he is not at the bottom tier at all. .

LE tells Cobra to shut up. This is because LE is involved in this for their share. Thats why Bowling is a lier.
Johhny Sheffield has his connections. He is the link to Ron; He fronts,makes a deal w/the top and in return, he gets Haleigh. (and some cash) Haleigh is temporarily hidden away until the attention is off J.Sheffield.
J.Sheffield knows Ron knows to keep quiet. No one can be a snitch. Snitches get killed.
Haleigh is safe, because she is part of the payment to Sheffield for his “help” in getting Ron to pay up. Its all so crossed connected, J.S. simply seized the opportunity.

I have to go for now. I will be back in a little while.

Karon,

I think all this drug debt talk is, with all due respect, the stuff of wild imaginations. Ron was only small time at best. We know LE watched him & Misty for a full month, and all they got him on were sting deals….not one independent deal other than with the UC. There is nothing in his history to support the big time drug dealer theory, imo.

Re the van…it was very thorougly checked and then released by LE. If they found anything of evidentiary value, they would not have released it, they would have kept it for evidence.

Re the pink shirt…i can think of lots of reasons the perp would leave it behind…just another piece of evidence he would need to hide if he took it with him etc

The 911 call I can’t explain…imo, given what we later heard, there may have been something off about it.

For all we know Haleigh took the shirt off herself…at her age she would have been more than capable. Or perhaps Misty got it wrong. It just seems to me that if Misty was staging something, she wouldn’t say she last saw her in the pink shirt if she knew it was lying on the floor for LE to find.

Right Me. I also would think that touch DNA could be able to render some type of evidence don’t you think?
It does seem like a very good possibility.
Makes a person wonder what evidence LE might already have and how it might either fit or conflict with already given statements.

Tuff Stuff,

If the perp touched the shirt, he may or may not have left some discernable DNA behind. I’ve been involved in cases where they’ve been able to obtain touch DNA from clothing, but it’s usually sleeves, collars etc and gloves. Never seen it where someone has merely touched the clothes, though I’m sure if they had their hands on the clothes long enough and “handled” them, it would be possible.

Tuff Stuff…
Just want to clarify my answer some more re touch dna and clothes.
If for example, I put my hands on some motorbike handles and drove it for a minute, chances are I’d leave DNA behind. I don’t think clothing is as good a receptor of DNA as some other materials, however, if you wear a shirt, you will leave some behind on those parts of the shirt that touch your body, but just touching it, might not leave discernable traces.

Tuff Stuff….I see you know what you are talking about! Cool! I understand perfectly what you are saying!
I think the DNA transfer stuff is relatively new, though it would seem to me to be common sense and shouldn’t come as a surprise. But it could make some prosecutions more difficult, as if for example, I ride on a bus and hold the handrail, then go to a house and commit a crime and wipe my hands all over something, I may well leave someone else’s DNA behind, someone who has had absolutely nothing to do with the crime, or perhaps in my example, a few other people’s dna.
Other than blood DNA, the only example I can remember of them finding it on clothing was on items of clothing that had been disposed of after an armed robbery….they ran the DNA in the hopes of finding the robber, and where they found the discernable DNA was around the cuffs and collar…and there were multiple contributors (I believe there were 3 on at least one of the items)! I am sure if you handled a child’s shirt from the bottom, like your example, you’d probably leave some on it…but whether or not it would be of a quantity large enough for them to be able to identify with current equipment, and then to get a sample from which allows them to obtain a proper DNA profile, I’m not sure. It sounds like you might know more about that than I do.

Interesting ME. You could be correct that it might possibly create it’s own level of difficulties. True. At the same time even if someone had say touched something and picked up someone elses DNA, even if, if the person who’s DNA is discovered can provide “credible alibi” that would then “possibly” exclude that person as suspect no? Maybe not though.
It is not LE’s job to create a defense for possible suspects in any case. Although touch DNA is a relatively new tool it should not be overlooked. JMVHO

Trying to find out what I can about “Barbara Freeman”. What I’ve found so far in Putnam County Court records is that someone by that name was charged with grand theft auto in Dec. 2008. The matter was discontinued by the prosecution (why are so many cases marked “nolle prosequoi” at that court…sounds like LE aren’t doing much of a job for that to be happening as frequently as it does.

Tuff Stuff,
With the transfer DNA, I think it could complicate things significantly if the person is not in the DNA database, and never identified, so the jury is left not knowing if that person had an alibi or not…and if the accused says something like “I don’t know how my DNA got there, but I rode a bus in that area that morning and held onto the handrail, or I was at the gas station that morning and used the gas pump etc, that could establish “reasonable doubt”. Or if the person who’s DNA is identified does not have an alibi (for example, they were home alone), then that could cause problems etc.

Re the van….I think you are correct on that. I think it’s safe to assume they didn’t find anything they believed to be significant, and I assume they took very good photos of the scratches just in case they some day became relevant.

If the labs that PCSO sent the shirt too are very good, hopefully they would not miss any discernable DNA on the shirt and have already tested it all.

“me said,in March 9th, 2010 at 12:28 am Tuff Stuff,

If the labs that PCSO sent the shirt too are very good, hopefully they would not miss any discernable DNA on the shirt and have already tested it all.”

I believe that LE has a lot more evidence than any of us could possibly imagine.

Well it’s getting pretty darn late and the sunrise and I have a date so I am going to sign off for now.
It was good chatting with you me.
Goodnight.

Tuff Stuff,

Nice chatting to you too. Hope you sleep well and wake to good news re Haleigh! G’nite.

Drugs have been the one over-riding theme throughout this whole case, from the very start. I am sure RC abd MC weren’t making alot, because they weren’t living all that great. You don’t have to be in all that deep to get in a bunch of trouble, dealing with people like that.

I have thought about just what those people surrounding NayNay and Amber were capable of. If they would keep NayNay and Amber naked and captive until they worked off their drug debt, they wouldn’t stop at anything else.

LFlorida:
Kisses!!

I am sure they sent the shirt off for testing. If they didn’t, that would have been too sloppy. They kept the van for two months, I believe.

I just wonder what made them think Haleigh was never put to bed that night?

Actually, I think you can get DNA from skeletal remains no matter how old (aren’t they even getting DNA from the mummies now?).

I think Tuff Stuff is right…LE probably have a lot more than what we can imagine. They might not even be looking at Misty as a possible suspect…for all we know they have their eye on someone else and are just putting the Misty stuff out there in the hope of making the real perp over confident enough to slip up.

I sure hope she is found alive, and soon.

OK goodnight now. LOL!

While we are talking about the DNA, someone could have been forced to go in and grab Haleigh and bring her to a certain place. If fear has kept this many people quiet this long, fear could make them do anything.

Good night Tuff Stuff.

There’s so much we do know in this case, but the more we know, the more we realize we don’t know.

I do have some problems with the drug dealer’s took her. For one, Cobra knew what was going on in that little place, by the time he left there, and he went right back to someone within those families. Another thing, why the big clean-up and making the bed before LE came?

I couldn’t understand your last sentence, but like I said, I have my doubts. We just don’t know, but we are looking at it from every angle. We are trying to, anyway.

I thought, O.K., I am not up on all of those abreviations. LOL

Cobra didn’t have all the answers, that is eviident, or the case would be solved. He did share alot of facts with us, however.

I don’t believe Misty is all that clever, or she would have know they were going to lay a trap for her. She kept her mouth shut and she was stubborn.

I don’t know about the CS side. For whatever reason, they have kept quiet, too quiet, really. It is hard to even speculate about them.

Personally, I don’t buy into the “street smarts” stuff at all and I agree that she is not very clever. She fell hook, line and sinker for a sting in circumstances where any “street smart” person would have suspected what was going on.

And she loves to talk, and I think if she knew something, she’d have told more and tried to talk her way out of it, rather than not talking at all. Plus, I think she would have trusted and talked to others, and I think LE would have had some evidence on her by now if it was her.

Just searching through old stuff and was reminded of the RSO that was arrested and found to be outside his zone during the search for Haleigh. His name is Timothy Randolph Loucakis.

Also just re-read what was on Crystal’s myspace…interesting that she didn’t refer to Jr & Haleigh by name, but rather as brats. And interesting that she said referred to her father as one of her heroes. And her favorite tv shows kind of freak me out!

Crystal’s Interests

General Taking care of my baby girl Chloe and the other brats thats pretty much it!!!! Oh yeah and my grown up baby Chad!!!

Music Pretty much every and anything!!!

Movies The Note Book I would have to say is my favorite movie, it’s the best i’ve seen so far!!!!

Television CSI, The Cleaner,and Dog The Bounty Hunter they are the shit man!!!!

Books Don’t really read gives my headackes

Heroes My Mom and My Sister Sarah Of Course couldn’t live with out them My Daddy, My Brother Marcus and Chad most of all he’s My fiancee, my whole world I love hime to death!!!!

Karon,

I feel the same about not convicting anyone. That will be a matter for a jury one day in the future, when ALL the evidence is before them and 12 minds sort it out.

I find your thoughts on GGMS interesting. I can see where you are coming from and what her possible motive might be. What I can say, is if we find out it was her, I will say she well and truly missed her calling and should have been an actress, cause she sure looked sad and concerned to me!

I think there’s a real chance that one day we might find out it is someone who we’ve never even heard of, like Garrido. That poor step father of hers must have lived an 18 year horribly frustrating nightmare…he gave a great description of the vehicle that she was taken in, and instead of finding that car, that was for years parked in a driveway not that far away, he sat under a cloud of suspicion. I can’t imagine how much he resents the LE involved in the investigation of that case. And poor Jessica Lunsford’s grandfather was named LE’s #1 suspect and labelled a pervert all over the internet, while poor Jessica was being killed by a pervert. Maybe we should start micro-chipping kids with GPS locators…I guess that would cause far too many privacy issues etc…but I do wish there was an easier way to find them.

I look at both sides of the family, and I think which ones, on either side, would have been strong enough to do this? The names JS and GGSykes comes to my mind. I have grandchildren, and I know how grandparents feel, if their grandchildren are in any kind of danger or neglect.

Crystal said that she thought it was a joke when she first got the call about Haleigh, because there had been ugliness going back and forth between her and Ron’s family. She said she called her Dad to make sure it was really true. I think he went over there and found out.

The Cleaner is about a man that has a form of religion? that goes around helping people get off of drugs. Fitting, huh?

Karon Cox…wow re those tv shows…what a weird coincidence that her life has kind of become all 3 of them?!!?

Yes, it is interesting.

If I could create a dream list of evidence I would like to see in this case, it would start like this…
1. Marie, Crystal, Chad & Johnny’s phone records from the time Crystal received the warrant until a few days after her disappearance.
2. A record of the web pages googled and visited by Marie & Crystal for at least a few months before the disappearance, to present.
3. A copy of all records of interview between LE and Misty, Ron, Tommy, Lindsay, Chad, Crystal & Marie. I am guessing Johny was never interviewed.
4. Details of the searches of homes, and inquiries made of all RSOs within the area.

Yes, I would love to see that, also.

Good night Me. That sounds funny. It sounds like I am talking to myself.LOL

Well, she may have thought he would be safe if RC was in prison. He would be away from the drugs and RC’s teenage girlfriends. If she had run Misty off, he would have just replaced her with another one.

Grannies and Mothers tend to have a bond where the children are concerned.

Good night again. LOL

That article that she was quoted in was wrong in some parts (which made me lose confidence in the accuracy of the rest of it), but she certainly never came out and denied she’d said what was printed. If his grandfather was his father figure, it may have been devastating to him when he lost him, and if he saw him suffer, that would have crushed a young man. Don’t know why he was with his grandparents and not TN…I wonder what TN’s partner was like when Ron was living with her (did she have a partner?).

Here is the video link
http://www.wesh.com/video/18778183/index.html

The other thing I’d really like to know is when Crystal took the life insurance policy out on Haleigh. Odd that she made payments to that, but refused to pay child support. It will be interesting if she tries to claim on it, as if no one has been charged, you can bet the insurance investigators will be investigating her very closely.

GRACE: How did you learn she was gone?

SHEFFIELD: Ronald`s mother, Teresa Nieves (ph), called me at 3:49 AM in the morning and told me that Haleigh was gone.

GRACE: And what did you do?

SHEFFIELD: At first, I thought it was a prank, kind of. And then she was, like, The police are there, and I heard them in the background and then it hit me that it was not a prank.
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From the CNN transcripts.

Me – I’ll give you a “possibility” on the wacky Chad time frame. What is Chad’s last name? I’m opened minded. I’ll help do a search online for a more in-depth time frame on him.

Hello?

Is there anybody in there?

Just nod if you can hear me.

Is there anyone at home?

Gotta love Pink Floyd!

I thought that would get someone’s attention. I will think of your responses as a nod.

Anything new this morning Shockwave? I was reading “ME’s” post above about the timeline…the alibi for Chad, etc…..all good points….but somehow I’m still leaning towards the drug debt theory we were all on yesterday. How about you?

Me – Reading through your posts, etc… I could easily be convinced that Chad and others were involved. However, what always brings me back to Ronald & Misty is their actions after the disappearance. If they were in the dark (which I would think they would have to be) about Chad, why marry Misty, coach Misty, put rat in mailbox, fight with Croslins, etc… If Ronald and the Croslins were not in the picture, I would be 100% convinced that the Sheffield crew was responsible.

Again, poor Haleigh. I pray that if she is gone that she didn’t suffer.

I agree JB, but that time line is something to get to the bottom of. I just don’t lean towards the Griffis family either, but like I said, “I’m opened minded at this point.” I asked a question above. Why is Misty submitting a not guilty plea. She knows she was caught on tape selling. What is her lawyer thinking letting her do that?

KeepitReal – what do you think about the Chad time line?

From the beginning I have thought that Ronald accidently hurt Haleigh and Misty helped cover it up (her covering up included getting Tommy to help). However, I am leaning toward the scenario outlined in the “Nay Nay” letter. Maybe Haleigh was suffering from the “accident” and was given drugs to calm/ease her pain.

I am not sure if that is the case – Me’s (and others) theories make so much sense. I just hope we find out soon and also – I would love to see all of the children still in this huge web of dysfunction get help.

Shock, I’m like you…trying to keep an open mind. I just also keep going back to the behavior of the main “players” since HaLeigh disappeared and believe drugs play a big role.

JB said,in March 9th, 2010 at 9:55 am
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JB, I always enjoy your posts and we always seem to be thinking along the same lines! Wish we’d get some news today and that HaLeigh can be brought home one way or another.

JB said,in March 9th, 2010 at 10:33 am
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I always love your humor also. We surely do need it following this case!
So true about Jan and Simon and bnn site. This is the place I come to read about HaLeigh..first thing every morning and last thing at night…just praying for news..

Why do you think this case has such a hold on all of us? I mean, kids go missing every day. We all hear and read about them. But something about this little angel and her horrific story of the hillbilly crackhouse clan just pulls you in…..but WHY?

You know, I’ve thought about that so many times, JB. I think the first time I saw HaLeigh’s pictures I just melted. And I think the family dynamics, or lack thereof, plays a big part.
Sometimes it just gets down right insane!

Although we could paint you orange and you could be a “stand in” for Art! LMAO

Gotta go to a meeting….will be back later to check and see if there is any news. Take care KeepItReal…I enjoyed chatting with you! HUGS!

I go through past videos all the time and the one today is Misty at the court house with Lisa geting the marriage license. A little girl is only been missing for 1 month and Misty is down right giddy. That always bothered me.And the interview with TN about the wedding, she doesnt oppose it at all, red flags all over the place for someone trying to find a missing child. Where they talk to Misty about Haleigh she doesnt relly act like she cares, just talks about how when she got pink tennis shoes Haleigh got some too. And how Haleigh would have wanted this. Its all so weird. jmo

Agreed. I had listened to the taping of the Caylee Memorial and had just finished wiping away my tears when I heard about Haleigh. Then I thought, “Oh no, here we go again. Why?”

keep it real, I,like you had never blogged before Caylee and HaLeigh….and oh yes the heart string tug is very familiar to me…as are the pink floyd lyrics…..

drammaqueen, maybe dark side of the moon was more late 70s….

methinks, Have you ever wondered why the PI never got hired? Was it just public relations?
Seems odd that it never got off the ground and never was mentioned again. All went silent after Ron did the Maury Povich show. JMO

I’m SO glad to see all my Pink Floyd friends here today! Loved Dark Side of the Moon.
I think I’m older than most of you, lol!
Yep, tobias, what did ever happen to the mystery PI guy?

I don’t know why the PI deal didn’t happen unless ron found out that misty may have been involved and he became scared that if she gets caught for that then he may be caught for something else…maybe something worse.

I wanted to add, this may be the reason for the marriage too…just a thought

Johhny Sheffield is on tape talking to cobra. Remember, Cobra was initially hired by J.S. as their P.I. Stupid move cuz J.S. talks too much and we all know Cobra will turn on a dime if he suspects anyone,even his own clients!!

Satsuma is a small town, but most small towns w/close knit relations are the best places to get have small time deals..like a trickle down effect.
We lived in a moderate but fastly growing suburban area, lots of people were transfered there, lots of middle to upper class. The next town was small,old time,and alot of KIN, most of the drugs from New Orleans went straight there. You would never think it to see it. There were a very choice few who dealt in 3-5digit amts. Lots of business to spread around.

me said,
in March 9th, 2010 at 4:41 am

Ok, please watch the video of Marie giving Chad the alibi, before you read this. We all have done the time line to death re Ron, Misty & al, please bear with me while I go through the time line, as best I can re what was happening in Baker County that morning…

1. Crystal gets a call before 4am re Haleigh being missing. She says she knew it wasn’t a prank because she heard LE in the background.
2. Approximately 5am she calls her mother, then her father. Her father heads to the “scene”.
3. Shortly after 5am, Chad is spotted at a gas station.
4. 9am – Chad arrives home
5. Sometime after 9am, Marie & Crystal head to Satsuma.

That time line is very rough and I’d be grateful to any and all that recall the details to help me get it right.

So, given Marie only lives 500 feet from Crystal, and was awake from at least 5am, she had to have known that Chad was out, and very deliberately gave him a false alibi, and I assume Crystal did the same.

I do not believe for a minute that LE don’t have this family in their sights. Tommy was my #1 suspect, but after watching that video of Marie very nervously lying for Chad, combined with the life insurance and the warrant, Marie certainly has my top spot and I doubt I will sway from that.

As I said, that is only a rough timeline…there seem to be a few different versions of who phoned who when that morning, and I’d be grateful for help with that.

BTW, I think you are all asleep and will read this while I’m sleeping and not sure if the link to the video of Chad being taken away by LE posted or not, so if it’s not there and you want to find it, go to WESH….it is titled “Investigators continue search for Haleigh” and it is not dated, but they say that it is two weeks that Haleigh has been missing. So, two weeks after Haleigh disappears Marie is still standing by her alibi for Chad. Hmmmmm.

Me,
Chad Griffis?
I can’t find the video you are referring to…

Tobias: IF this theory is true,Ron burned the dealer by trying to sell on the side to get money for himself; the way it works is the big shipment arrives,someone like Ron gets his portion to distribute; BUT if Ron had taken money off the top to make his own side deals,(fronting) and then screwed himself over by not even making enuf to get back what he owed originally, now theres big trouble!!

I do think the reason Mistys Lawyer,entered not guilty/by Mistys note.Is because before a jury.Each charge for each sale is set up 1-8 different counts.

She could be found guilty of several counts/an not guilty on some.

Gotta run,ill stop by later to read.An see if anythiing new has come up.

Praying always for little Haliegh.

It’s overwhelming to me, too, ronfan!

OJ’s glove said,in March 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
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OJ, I’m not touching that one, but I sure hope if you’re ever planning on it, you WILL wear a “glove”…YIKES

He’s not keeping it real KeepitReal – OJ makes these obscure sexually blasted or ridiculous statements and then runs off with his tail tucked in between his legs. Who does things like that? SO’s that’s who. I’m gonna go for now before I really say something terrible. I’m going to go meditate.

sky news has a bunch of new audio up. on this one she says if she talks it will hurt 2 people that they care about. she is talking to Chelsea

http://audio.thesky973.com/m/audio/29736658/misty-jail-call-1-2-9-10.htm

Ky mom: just in. On the home page.
Jan57 : right; and if u plead guilty, you don’t get a trial,hearing or anything.You just get the sentence by the judge.
I doubt she’ll do less than 3ys, if even that.
Probably 6months, then prob.

But those are not new those have been on Nancy Grace for weeks.
Why don’t they upload all the jailhouse tapes? Not clips but all the tapes?
on the old clips I Noticed Misty was saying she would tell Leonard something but then after her attorney talked to her she said I don’t know anything to tell him.

I also think it is odd that she really didn’t mention about missing Haleigh until she figured out she was being recorded.

Those aren’t the new tapes on the home page? Idk, i just saw the headline but didn’t read it. Goin to take my 3yr old cutie to the park.
bye for now.

Some are having trouble posting, just checking

You don’t get to see the new video on NG because she wants you to watch the show. I know, it’s frustrating. I don’t have time to watch an hour of basicly the same thing over and over again. I would rather just catch up online, but it’s rigged to get you to watch on tv.

Sorry if I’ve been irritable guys. I don’t feel well. I kept a child last week that was sick, and I think I may have it now.

RonFan,I have never believed Ron,or Misty harmed Haliegh with their own hands.Some may,but i dont unless evidence is there to prove otherwise.I agree theres many thing that could have happened.An never ever would i think Ron would sell his precious daughter.That was just a statement.That things like that are happening now days,even here in Americe.

An if it turns out to be true about drug dealers kidnapping Haliegh.That they also could be involved in the sex trade.Now it could just be adult prosttutes.Or they could not be doing anything like that.Strange unbelievible things are happening all over the world with children.

We rarly heard of when i was growing up-Im 52yrs old.Seen a little of it all.Actualy knew people like this from my home town speaking of those Cobra was talking to on tape.I was born in Sanford Fla. but raised in a small town in the Carolinas. Now live in Myrtle Beach-where we had a teen go missing last yr,an still hasnt been found.I Did a lot of things growing up,Im not proud of,but learned valuable lessons from it. I was Molested when young.Thats why i worry maybe a SO got Haliegh.Pervers are everywhere in small towns,as well as cities. I Traveled 28 states working in construction/pipfitter- an have met all types.Just letting you know some about me,an why im here.

I care about children.An Haliegh touched my heart.I dont come join people to chat ,to get upset.Even thought sometimes this is a very upsetting case.I always when reading others post, step back,an reread.So i dont take whats said the wrong way.Most people mean well,an want a missing child found.An many have their own thoughts on who did this,or how it could have happened.

But the main goal is everyone wants Haliegh found,an the person who did this held accountable.I do love stopping by an reading everyones thoughts,links,an insights to what they know about this case.Haliegh deserves to be brought home,if alive,or deaceaed.for closure.So those grieving can know what truly happened.I know these family member,are broken hearted,an Ron has to be.Its the loss,an not knowing thats so very bad.I mean this child just vanished!!!!

me said,in March 9th, 2010 at 4:41 am Ok, please watch the video of Marie giving Chad the alibi, before you read this. We all have done the time line to death re Ron, Misty & al, please bear with me while I go through the time line, as best I can re what was happening in Baker County that morning…
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Hmmmm,that is news to me!

Good morning/afternoon everyone,

Thanks for your thoughts re my posts…different time zone here, so I wasn’t able to reply!

Re the video, it seems the link didn’t show up. You can watch it by going to wesh/com.video/ then 18778183/index.html after the slash. Hopefully that will get you there. I’d love to hear what others think about that video! Marie is asked if she’s concerned when she sees Chad being taken away and she says “no, no…”, but sounds to me to be very concerned.

re: Me and Methinks,I never knew till yesterday you were 2 seperate ppl!LoL So i hope I have never mixed you 2 up in a bad way and got ya confused!If i have,forgive me!LoL

CathyJo,

Lol re me and methinks. You must have wondered if we had split personalities!

Did you watch the video? It’s the only time I’ve ever seen Marie rattled, and boy she looks rattled.

Misty would have gotten off much better if she would have acted like Hope. Notice how she never says anything? She is the one who will get off easier, Misty comes off as running the show along with Ron. This is their true selves this is how they truely are in real life. jmo

Jan57, I agree totally!! Plus, as you can tell from my screen name, I’ve always believed in Ron from the 1st time I heard the 911 call. I was watchn Nancy Grace w/Caylee case, and then,she came on w/the Haleigh 911 call; omg,I stopped in my tracks,I couln’t believe it, another little angel gone??I started crying,(I was painting my bathroom,and even dropped the darn brush!)i will never forget the pain I heard in Ronald’s voice,so desperate,confused,and horrified.
The fact that he wasn’t afraid to say what he said:I was like,amen! Finally someone is not afraid to threaten whatever monster took a child.And he still stands by his word,that’s why I like him.
What I have posted is only a theory,based on those new Cobra/Barbara tapes, I would have never thought it; I knew Ron was in the drug bus.somehow,as he admitted it to all the media; he said his legal history is public record,whoever wants to see,do it!!(did u see the geraldo rivera interview?)
That’s why the whole “drug sting” thing has never made sense to me; Ron acts like he’s new to it,and says things that no experienced d.d.would. (even in a car)and there is no way that he would have himself out in the open like that.
It’s all just too weird.
And he always states things that are so sly, like he’s blatantly giving out hints. People just don’t notice it.
The only time he shows emotion is about Haleigh, him being implicated in it.
He didn’t even show any emotion when he was arrested in the “sting”…cuz,to him,its probably no big deal.(the mug shot?he’s not loaded,he’s laughing.)
Im still convinced he purposely went along w/sting,in what capacity,idk,maybe per himself,or could have been U.C. himself, as part of a scheme to arrest Misty.
Why? Because the main objective was to HAVE SOMETHING TO ARREST HER FOR.
I firmly believe she is being used by LE.
The more we write,the more we go crazy!!!!!!
The theory is not mpo,I believe no matter what,Ron didn’t have ANYTHINGY to do w/Haleigh’s disappearance.

i know barabra freeman very well and she didnt tell all the truth…..and i also know jerome williams and there is more to this….i havent seen or been around these people in years but you dont have the whole truth and you didnt get the truth from barbara or jerome…this is the only comment u will see from me….keep digging