I think I have just witnessed a remake of Irwin Wallace’s opus The Almighty. In 1972 Wallace released The Almighty, it was a best seller, and a book that deserves reading today. The premise behind the book is that a newspaper publisher needs to increase circulation and profits. His solution is to ‘create’ the news. Robberies, murders, terrorism, he did it all.
The Almighty was just a work of fiction. A great book, but none the less a work of fiction. I start to get a little worried when I see The Almighty start to take root in real life. There is no question that the press are biased. They always have been, they likely always will be.
This DVD has us really wondering about the Haleigh Cummings story, and what the real story might be. There are four files involved, but to understand my reference to The Almighty listen to the start of the file two.
Some ‘news’ outlets seem to specialize in taking information out of context. The ‘slice and dice’ of information is quite appalling. Here are the real files, unedited, from DVD 4.
I have just wasted a huge amount of time watching The Almighty at full speed. It is for that reason that we never ‘slice and dice’ tapes. It is easy to take things out of context.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackThanks so much, Simon and Jan!
(Sorry OJ, I know you’re usually first, lol)
missed it by . that much
wowwww omg i am gonna be so confused,lol
oh i forgott,thats normal fur me!
Excellent book
CathyJo,
I left you post today, did you see it ?
I’ve been listening to tapes and
Tommy told Lindsy that Misty was lying
He didn’t think Joe did anything.
He said Misty is just lier.
What is wrong these people, I’ve got a
daughter-in-law that lies like that all the
time, it does not help if you tell her about,
she’ll stand and argue with you that she was not lying.
Tommy also said that there’s no way Joe scared Misty like because he left and went home that day . So that’s why he knows she lying.
Now hes claiming that he was scared because Joe put a knife to him, so he was really scared.
Cricket, do you think Tom’s attorney heard the audio (tape 1 of DVD 3 that Simon uploaded)?
Thanks again for keeping us updated. I keep hoping that someday we all will finally know the truth.
Will have to listen to them. I just hope I don’t have to deal with “because their attorney said they didn’t” makes it all true!, type of comments. Everyone knows that lawyers lie, its their job. Automatically everyone is presumed innocent, no matter how guilty they are. No lawyer is going to announce that their client is guilty, of Anything! geez.
I think Misty is spoiled.She was the only girl.Her brothers and s-i-ls all made her that way.But I think also that she craved someone to really love her and Ron made her think that he did.My son in le has told me there are guys that can pick those girls out and prey on them. Ron has done this to at least 3 girls then they are beat on.They think it’s their fault.I think Ron is the only one Misty would cover for. If I am wrong I will admit it when this is solved. lol
Happy Birthday Jan. I hope Simon took you to a nice restaurant. You deserve it.
JenM @ 8:18, yes – make the time to listen to the tapes so you’ll know what Tom said contrary to what his attorney said.
Grandma of 5 said,in May 24th, 2010 at 8:46 pm I think Misty is spoiled.
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may I interject some common sense here?
Paris Hilton is spoiled..
Misty had drug using parents, moved to several states as a child, lived in a car, had zero education, an had to survive by her wits..
tell me grannie of 5
How is that SPOILED?
GREAT POINT, OJ!
Haven’t seen Tom’s drawings, of course – but, he could be talented. On tape 4 he talks about drawings he made for his children.
Jason, I will listen as soon as I can. I just wanted to point out that just because an Attorney agrees with their client or tells the public something, does not in anyway make it true. They all lie, clients and attorneys. Not to mention Media, LE, etc etc. Who can you believe?
And as far as Misty being spoiled, NO WAY! Maybe in a “normal household or situation”, but not in her situation at all. I don’t think Misty is covering for anyone. I think she has dissociative disorder. She is not intentionally lying about anything. Someone said earlier that they are going to have to look into what makes these people tick….well they certainly are! I think its called a psychiatrist!
JenM @ 9:06, I’d love to be able to conclude from these tapes what Tom/Misty are telling the truth about, and what they’re lieing about, but not much success yet. One tape to go from DVD4 . . .
Spoiled? WTH?
. Someone said earlier that they are going to have to look into what makes these people tick….well they certainly are! I think its called a psychiatrist!
roflmao!Jen…..GOODEN’
GM of 5 is entitled to her opionion about Misty being spoiled, just many of us don’t see it that way.
Milk spoils, not kids!
and I mearly asked “How is she spoiled?”
I think spolied could changed to whiny. That fits misty and tommy when they talk about ‘get me out first’ tell so and so to get me out, the foods not good, I could do 90 standing on my head so my mom should be able to, I’m writing the govenor about the food, etc…whiny, not spoiled.
yea maybe grandma of 5 calls it what my parents would and i call it whiny and snively!lol
scroll up, G of 5s defination of spoiled is at 8:46pm
hm,in these tapes tommy knows his granny flora is that way,I think he told her what he did if he did to get it out there on n/g!
just finished 3 of the first 4 posted today,2 won’t werk for me?
now starting on one here!
yea, two was corrupted 4 me 2
Yes, I think Misty could be spoiled by her family. (1 )she’s the baby of the family. (2) she’s the only female child. Spoiled doesn’t necessarily mean monetary means. Parents and brothers seem to put her on a throne and excuse her actions even when she throws them under the bus.
imo she’s not spoiled that way but she could have used some good parenting and education for sure!
being in a family who abuses drugs you have to grow up really quick and fend for yourself caus no one else does it!
Misty never got to be a kid.imo at all!!
oh good then Oj….well not good but glad it wasn’t only me!lol
Valid points judithan. Depends on the definition one is thinking of.
shux i was a kid sneaking around to see my b/f and married in a day or two!b/c of it! At 15 i grew up really quick myself.overnight basically!
judithan said,in May 24th, 2010 at 9:40 pm Yes, I think Misty could be spoiled by her family. (1 )she’s the baby of the family. (2) she’s the only female child. Spoiled doesn’t necessarily mean monetary means. Parents and brothers seem to put her on a throne and excuse her actions even when she throws them under the bus.
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she wasn’t “spoiled” but I agree, men folk protect women folk..good for them.
Parents and brothers seem to put her on a throne
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I SORTA SEE THAT BUT THEY PUT TOMMY ON ONE TOO,YA KNOW…SEEMS TO ME!
Crap,sorry again,need “duck” tape! Judithan!forgot caps!
Jason ,
you would think his lawyer would want to hear everything that is out there no one wants to
look like fool. Oh wait minute Biaz doesn’t.
aren’t they sposed to OJ?
Yea i wanna a lil skinny dude that runs from everybody and would run if i was attacked,rofl
No,Bozo doesn’t……circus nut!
Bozo enjoys looking foolish it seems,lol
I cannot even look at him now,I can’t…………His smirk and stupid look alone gives me a mad on!
I pity the jurors who have to sit and consider every word he says? omg
I was the baby of my family and was not spoiled and was the only female child.
I don’t see anyone putting Misty on a throne and excusing her actions. I don’t think she threw them under the bus.
I think they took advantage of her as the only female child and sexually abused her. She has said things that only an abused person would say. I know she isn’t smart enough to figure that out. I think she told on them and then was punished for it. And she is still being punished. (ie. Hank telling her he knows tommy did nothing wrong and she better tell the truth!) Thats bullshit and is the most abusive statement! She doesn’t have a chance! She needs to get away from these people and get her self well. You can tell she was abused.
What do you think she did when she dropped out of school in the 6th grade? Certainly wasn’t home schooled and didn’t have a job! And why did she fail miserably in school? Could it be of her life? Could it be from being sexually abused by her brothers and cousins and whoever else wanted a turn? Why do you think she hooked up with an Older Man? Why do you think she did drugs? Did the drugs hide her pain? Why do you think she was so promiscuous? All tell-tell signs of sexual abuse.
Sorry, but no spoiled child there. A severely abused child in my opinion. It happens in a lot of families, but her situation was ripe for sure.
Thats my opinion.
they’ll have to be sequestered or however you spell it cause omg you talk about angering your family at the end of the day! after listening to him,omg no
CathyJo63 said,in May 24th, 2010 at 9:46 pm aren’t they supposed to OJ?
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YES they are!
may be why she’s so comfortable in jail now,i was shocked yesterday when she said,now i have to get an education,I have the chance now? ya know….i’d have begged and still be slinging snot but she takes it right on!
she see’s opportunity Jen!
She said,make me work,make me come and clean and do things,this isn’t punishment!
So true. And it sounds like the gals in there are giving her a little education on being used by men. I bet she learns more from her time in there than she would of learned on the outside listening to her family.
sounds pretty smart to me!
exactly!!!!!!!! Till this happened i’d say they really didn’t pay attention to her at all,now i am sure they wish they had yes but they didn’t!
Well, sounds like she dried out a little from all the drugs she was doing. That in itself can clear the brain and thought process.
she took attention wherever she could get it?
bad attention is still attention!
However, Im not convinced it is working for Tommy. He just seems more and more irritable.
don’t i know it Jen,I really was impressed with her!!
TTYL, have a good nite.
he don’t care as long as he gets hius calls and money? my impression of him!
brb
Hey! This is the most puzzeling thing I could ever imagine. Maybe everyone should just get a good few nights of sleep. I can usually get to the bottom of things and figure it all out. I can honestly admit I must not be as smart as I thought I was. Let’s leave it alone and get some rest. Hey, by the way let’s take care of our own children and grandchildren. O.K, Love to everyone…………………………
Jaba @ 9:32, seems natural for her to say “Get me outa here first!” LOL!
Nothing wrong with that! If I were in a cage, and my sister were in a cage, one of us would probably be yelling “Help! Get over her and get me outa here first!”
Bm,
O k.
Locked in a jail cell with two bunks and a view of the tv with 3 meals plus snacks and hair braiding. Hell, I might trade with her.:)
shoot,I’d have concfessed to everything i ever done in 2 secomds flat! They’d known more than me!
I couldn’t take jail well at all!
Kids don’t spoil – that’s silly to say.
I just heard tommy talking bout ron putting guns in his mouth and pointing at himself with one through the mirror,
O.J.I wasn’t putting her down. I wasn’t talking about money.She was their little sister. I think the guys and their wifes SEEMED to act like they cared for her but they didn’t give her the love she desperately wanted.That’s why she fell for Ron’s bs.I feel bad for her. We didn’t have money when I grew up but we had love.All kids need that above everything else. I got married at 17 to the love of my life.[3 yrs older].His family was poor too.He joined the Army and we didn’t have much money but it helped us get started. Please don’t think for a minute that I don’t feel sorry for her.I have a beautiful 18yr old g-daughter.Been married 46 1/2 yrs.
baby goats Jason,no they don’t,rofl wink wink playin!
Janis got it wrong; freedom isn’t just another word for nothing left to lose.
i’d rather be on the ooutside braidina Jaba,no offence but i would!
i messed that up too,lol
CathyJo, KIDS drink milk, but they sure don’t spoil! (:
right Grandmaof5…exactly,bad attentions better than no attention!
You’d be climbin’ the bars, Jaba; climbing the bars . . .
No running 2 miles a day would drive you psycho.
I can see you now, Jaba – running around your small cell to exhaustion.
wowwwwwwwww,My parents were married 57 yrs when my adad passed away Grandma…….she passed 10 yrs later to the day!
Jen Misty as we all know is from a very dysfunctional family. I think they have allowed her to do what ever she wants to pacify her. We all have a baby of the family but that doesn’t mean they dominate the whole family and not give them guidance. I did not mean to attack anyone who is the youngest child in their family. Please don’t take an offense to my statement. My youngest child has been a challenge to my family for years, why I don’t know so it does happen. I don’t blame anyone but would just like some guidance on how to help these young adults.
rofl Jason……..kids are so cute but i agree,they don’t spoil but their tummies do and they spit it on you,lol ewwwwww
Caged animals – scary!
thanx alot Judith,you have destroyed my life because of your statement and i don’t appreciate it one bit….lol me an only child,out of 27 sibs i don’t think so!rofl
we know what you meant!
Yes, only their tummies do, CathyJo, and we know that odor.
No one ever said Misty smelled bad, so must not have spoiled!
if ya gotta keep one in a cage ya don’t need it!
my daughter is the one and only and demands attention constantly,you have to look at her when you speak to her or oh she gets mad…..sorry Jason,but she is spoiled but me and her daddy did it!!!!!!!!
but she went to college,got attention,had very good jobs always till her daddys death,it definately changed her and under the circumstances,i can see why!
Misty acts more like an adult than Lisa and Hank do at times.
As far as we know – Misty didn’t try to steal a purse from a woman at Walmart, her mom did!
Misty didn’t threaten to commit sucicide – her dad did!
I can’t imagine how I would have been at Misty’s age if my parents behaved like hers do!
never been that close to her!
she dang sure does,I agree totally Jason,she had to be the adult,I loved it when she said,i have a channce for education,now i have too?
I have a feeling if they’d made her she would have felt alot different about her life!
I saw my bmum lay in the floor drunk,fall out the doors,passed out in the kitchen floor,and i had to be the adult but tg i got out of it too…i was adopted but still spent weekends with her alot and she was never sober one day in her life after the age of 13 so it was her way of life!
My parents didn’t curse, although my Dad sometimes said ‘heck’, and ‘baloney’.
Misty and Tom curse right in front of Hank, who uses the ‘F’ word just as much, if not more – than all three of his kids and Chelsea!
its not fun Jason,believe me!
f bombs everywhere,I didn’t know what alcohol,cursing or drugs were in my adopted family,hard workers,coalminer he was all his life,preacher,i was raised in church thats for sure!
can’t imagine my daughter saying that to me,ohhhhh no
Cathy Jo I’m so sorry you feel this way. I’m only posting from my own experience with my own son. I see so much of his problems in this case and he is the baby in my family. We were not wealthy but he was the only son and I think we all spoiled him. I’m sorry if I’ve upset anyone on this forum. I really don’t think you know what I meant. I wasn’t blaming anyone. But I won’t post again.
no no Judith,read it again,i was joking,lol .lmbo really…you said
. Please don’t take an offense to my statement.>>>>.
you better post,I WAS KIDDINGGGG,Judith,ask anybody i am always kidding around,honest,,,,,,,,,,
CathyJo, I think Misty is a very smart yong lady, with what might be better than expected reading ability and verbal skills, ocnsidering she has just a 6th or 7th grade public school education.
She quickly scanned parts of a newspaper article to read to Hank pertinent sentences/paragraphs.
Hope she gets her GED and her grandma Flora gets to take pictures of her in her cap and gown!
if you quit posting i’ll never laugh again??
now you better,please read it and you’ll see i was joking,because you said I hope i don’t offend anyone and i said oh you have just destroyed my life.lol
judithan said,in May 24th, 2010 at 10:16 pm Jen Misty as we all know is from a very dysfunctional family. I think they have allowed her to do what ever she wants to pacify her. We all have a baby of the family but that doesn’t mean they dominate the whole family and not give them guidance. I did not mean to attack anyone who is the youngest child in their family. Please don’t take an offense to my statement. My youngest child has been a challenge to my family for years, why I don’t know so it does happen. I don’t blame anyone but would just like some guidance on how to help these young adults.
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CathyJo63 said,in May 24th, 2010 at 10:19 pm thanx alot Judith,you have destroyed my life because of your statement and i don’t appreciate it one bit….lol me an only child,out of 27 sibs i don’t think so!rofl
we know what you meant!
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See??
I totally agree Jason,thats exactly what i said,i heard she couldn’t read and that paper blew me away!!!!!!!!!!!!
She scanned it and knew what it meant,not even i woulda known what it meant??
Judith??
does anybody know her,or her email???????
Gotta get ahold of her???
She thinks i was saying something bad to her??
Misty could probably catch the typos in my post above (*yong, ocnsidering). She most certainly CAN read, as I heard her on the DVD tape.
Newspapers are written for what – a 7th/8th grade reading level?
She scanned it for the details she wanted to read to Hank pretty quick, too, didn’t she CathyJo?
now how to i ever joke around again knowing what just happened?
yes she did Jason,and fast,she didn’t take time to figure the words out like somebody who can’t read,even Chelsea said she couldn’t?
i’ll bbs,i gotta try to find Judithan!
CathyJo, you’ve attempted reconciliation with JudithAnn. It is not your fault if someone chooses to not post.
Thanks Cathy Jo for the posts. I think alot of of us have been through more Drama in our lives than some. Sometimes we get more sensitive than we should. I try to stay away from family drama and it’s hard not to be an enabler but I know I have to. I do have a need to find out what has happened to Haleigh for some strange reason.
OH Thank God,lord that tore my nerves up,I was joking,everyone knows i do,but if you had left thinking i hurt you for posting your feelings omg i can’t handle that,lol
Thank you Judith for answering,you save my life,lol
Sensitive hunny,these people can tell yoou to much about me on that one!
Judithan, I feel a need to know what happened to her, too.
I’m gonna be up all freaking night. I think my house is haunted, and I’m not crazy or being sarcastic!!! Can’t wait to move!!
So, is everyone awake?!!!
well,we do too and thats why we’re all here Judith!
Enabling i learned about the hard way!!
I am sorry Judith that you feel so bad about it,but thats your child and your only one too so they don’t come with manuals,I spoiled mine too!
Judithan, good thing you came back!
we are now RonFan,lol you spooked us!
Ronfan, tell more (OT, I know – but, couldn’t you just tell a little bit)?
jaba said,in May 24th, 2010 at 10:09 pm Locked in a jail cell with two bunks and a view of the tv with 3 meals plus snacks and hair braiding. Hell, I might trade with her.:)
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Or, as Mizz Nancee calls it: “A private room with 2 beds to choose from…free t.v., room service..!!!!” “What else does she want?”
((and we can’t forget B.A. rendition of the “potted meats and expensive bottled water!”))
I guess at the time we think we can be good friends to our kids and show our love with material things but it sure don’t work that way? but i am guilty too Judithan!
mizz nancee! lol
Cher is the only distant relative we have seen at the jail!
Bedtime for me – goodnite everyone!
CathyJo63 said,in May 24th, 2010 at 10:21 pm my daughter is the one and only and demands attention constantly,you have to look at her when you speak to her or oh she gets mad…..sorry Jason,but she is spoiled but me and her daddy did it!!!!!!!!
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Yep, got my “Paris Hilton” too. But I love her so!!! I’ve learned to just say, “you know, dear, ur absolutely right, I would look much better in that dress….or with that hair color…..”
My favorite is when she calls me (every day!) but she is having problems w/whatever, and I think (excuse me, let me re-word that, I have THE NERVE to think SHE needs my meager opinion!) and she says “Mother, I’m just telling u what’s going on in my life, I didn’t call for advice, I know what I’M doing…!”
Ah, ya gotta love it, and I seriously so much thank God for my Jen and her special self-loving personality! Somehow, someway, I gave that child TOOO much self esteem and confidence!
Well I’m done with listening to these tape because they don’t solve what happened to Haleigh. Listening to the ex-bride last video , she sounds so happy going to prison to finally get her an education. At this point , I’m just going to sit back and wait and see what her sentence is going to be on these drug charges. Does she think she’s going to get a Phd in whatever?! I really don’t think she realizes what she’s actually facing. Yea it’s good that she wants to get a education, but it’s not going to do any good if she’s in prison for forty years. By then she will be close to 60 years old and who wants to hire a convicted felon with no real life work experience? Just my honest opinion of course!
I wish I had a manual on dealing with an addict. I see a lot of the same phases I’ve gone through with my own son and the Croslins. They blame everyone else,steal from their family,confess love for their children but yet put them in danger. They say when I get out of jail it’s going to change. There is a very small percentage of inmates that remain drugfree unless they have an extensive drug rehab before being returned to society. We just house them and then turn them out to society to go back to their way of life.
Judithan,Thank You for understanding what I was trying to say.I really appreciate it.That’s why I don’t post much,everyone is ready to rip you to pieces before you can explain what how you meant it.I thought it was friendlier here than it use to be.Kids can be spoiled. I had 3 sons and 2 grandsons when my g-daughter came along,yes I spoiled her.She was gpas and gmas little princess.I will say I never bought her anything w/o buying the boys something.This slowed down when I heard Sara tell her friends that gpa and gma would buy her anything she wanted.I had a talk with her then,it just doesn’t work that way.Their all very kind and unselfish now.
The Croslin children family goals – Go to prison and be the first ones to get their GEDs !!! Go to prison and finally get me an edumacation !!! YEEHAW !!!
your wrong about the misty can read part…
shes barely functional, I was a tutor and I know when someone is pretending to read and comprehend when they are not..but she has a bright mind and is teaching herself fast.
Jason u are not excused to go to bed by order of the “Ronz”
Cathy Jo: yes, I am spooked too. Very serious too, and honestly, I am sorry I’m ot, but yes, this house we’re living in is definitely haunted, and last night (actually this early morn at 3:10 the {whoever’s} let me know it’s time for us to fly..(reo speedwagon!) If ya really wanna know, hold on tight, cuz I am not one to joke or lie…
Ok, here’s proof, I just tried to send this, and for the very first time,I got an error page? No lie….Lemmeee try again.
**ok, it’s doing it again..I have NEVER had this happen on here. here I go..
Whew, done. I’m gonna haaaaaaaaave to bust it loose in this place tonight!!!
I ain’t ascairded!!!
Grandma of 5, I know where you’re coming from. I’ve raised my granddaughter because her parents are addicts. They had her life so messed up she couldn’t function in school. I had to home school her just so she could catch up. She missed her junior and senior year and the perks that come with it. She entered college at 17. Next year she will graduate college. Bless her heart she has seen what drugs and alcohol do to ruin your life. I admire that she made the choice to stay away from her parents addiction so far. I have high hopes for her.
Okay, real funny, did everyone leave??
Fine, just leave me here with the ghosts. I’ll be fine.
No one wants to talk to me, is that it??
Yeah, I get it, I can take a hint…LOL
I ain’t afraida no ghost! LoL
Ronfan,
I’m hear!
By any chance do you no what player I need
watch these tape ?
I’ve tried alot diffrent players but none of them work.
This is the first time thia has happened.
TYI
None work cricket?
I am using windows media player,iits fine?
VLC player plays everything or GOM is good too
Oh, I see, now I’m needed, huh???!!!!LOL
Hold on, lemmee try. brb
Cricket: its the ghosts…sorry, had to say it.
its always when they want something ronfan
Cricket, open them in another tab and it should ask you if you want Windows to search for a compatable player. That’s what I did when they wouldn’t play for me and it chose one and I downloaded it.
ronfan, I will listen to your ghost stories. I’m tired of listening to Croslins for now.
ronfan, you still here? I just caught up reading.
Oj,
Thanks I will go and check them out.
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Ronfan
If the players don’t work I’ll come back
with a ghost buster.
CathyJo
I, have the same media player but for some reason it’s not working for me.
OK, so we are all here. I myself am TIRED of BASHING CROSLINS!! How did Tommy/Hank Jr get pulled into it all, anyhow?
CathyJo: did u also see the you tube video with the song “Let the bodies hit the floor!” It’s similar to the one u linked to “you just don’t get it”
You tube and type in Ronald Cummings let the bodies hit the floor.
Did yall know that Joe’s bro has a tatoo of GH on his left arm? And a “tear” under his left eye? Doesn’t that mean a gang thing and that u killed someone?
Is that why on all their myspaces they supposedly have coded messages in Crip language?
Cricket, the one my computer chose for me is “Final Media Player”. I had to turn down some offers as it downloaded (like Yahoo toolbar, Ebay and other stuff wanting to sell me something) but it works well and I can fast forward and go back on it, etc. No viruses that my scans found.
Wait, I just had a realization. Way back on the 1st Tommy/hank tape saturday what was said about the “other person probably died too” and then I think Hank said “baloney”…
Cate/Kate, seems Tommy’s LDT test and talk to LE involved him so he did it himself. Hank just didn’t make good decisions as a father, imo, but I don’t think he knows anything except he badly wants to believe his kids didn’t do anything. Especially Tommy.
ronfan, Please explain more!
OJ,
Theres so many of them I dont which to
use.
Lori, Tommy’s LDT and talk with LE was a result of LE assuming that Tommy was involved w HaLeigh
s disappearance, not that there was any initial evidence that he had anything to do with anything…
Oh Cate, I understand now. I think he just got caught with Misty since the sting was really meant to get her in jail.
I remember that gun arrest though. They had way too high bond on him then and they also flew to MA to question Timmy at that time. So maybe they have some evidence we don’t know. I hope they do. If I remember the police report right they talked that older man into pressing charges on the gun when it had already been returned so I think they’ve wanted to talk to him for a long time.
OJ,
Thanks the vlc worked I should have asked earlier I’ve been trying since earlier this
evening.
Cate, they may just think he was helping cover for Misty and then the Joe story fell into their lap when Tommy told them about it. I’m not sure I believe Joe did it and I sure don’t think they were scared of him.
My windows media player did it w/o any prob.
It was a total letdown, tell me where the good tapes are.
One thing, remember back to that tape 1 w/Tommy and Hank again, and Hank even mentions the fight b/w Joe and someone, is he saying Greg or Ron?
I have a major issue w/Tommy saying Ron was always trying to get him to go w/him and rob people’s houses….UHHHHH, Isn’t Tommy the one who has multiple charges for his “b and e’s”??
that was kind of questionable. that convo sounded so staged to me.
Okay, who wants to hear about my ghost adventures? It’s almost the bewitching hour. (3am) I thought last night, how weird, that Misty’s statement of how she woke up and saw 3 on the clock, “all I saw was 3” if any of you are believers of the paranormal, 3am is the time of bad things.
And the old addage of everything bad happens in 3’s. So true.
A pentogram is 2 triangles together. Triangles have 3 sides, right??
I sincerely don’t mean to freak anyone out or be disrespectful. There are so many paranormal shows on tv now, it kind of makes people think, and I know from personal experience, it happens.
**no, I am not a weirdo, kooky, voodoo queen from New Orleans!!** (but I am from N.O.!)
Just a victim of a family “gifted” w/seeing and hearing stuff. Fun Times, Lol!
JenM said,in May 24th, 2010 at 4:56 pm JB, he may be guilty of all of those things, but that DOES NOT mean he murdered his daughter or was a part of harming her or throwing her to alligators!! I don’t ask that you admire him, but don’t falsely accuse someone because they are not a fit person in your eyes. Those are two different things. There are a lot of really bad parents and people out there, but it does not make them a murderer.
Why not look at someone who doesn’t care if Haleigh is harmed? or killed? or buried? or missing? Sorry, but for those exact things, I don’t see Ron or Misty (or Tommy as far as that goes). I see some screwed up people, but they loved their kids, whether or not you approved of their life style or not. Im sure there are people that can find fault with you or me and our parenting skills. Doesn’t mean I would harm my child or allow anyone else too. Even if that person thinks my life style harms my child….it goes on everywhere all over the US…look around. Doesn’t make people murderers, just crappy parents.
Thats my opinion.
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CathyJo: That’s where I’m coming from; someone (I think it was JB, said it’s strange how we all think on total opposite sides, and it’s true!) I just go on my first impressions, and always have. I can look at someone and immediately get a good or bad feeling. Alot of people are not like that.
I look at Tommy and see mixed up confused, uneducated, but a lot of heartache and hopelessness, but still a heart. I look at Misty and instantly felt LOST, scared, making up stuff, trying to explain and rationalize out of it, but then trying to hint at clues, hoping someone would catch on. (like that 1st interview(hideous green circles jacket) 2 friends which I don’t hang out w/anymore..(naynay and amber) that immed set up a red flag to me, a Freudian slip, ya know…and Lisa was sitting there and nodded her head.That was a given…if only anyone would have caught on to it.
Ron: I see him and hear him as the only one who is avoiding the personal crap and telling, well ORDERING media to focus on Haleigh, FINDING Haleigh. So, I don’t get why everyone says he hasn’t done anything to find Haleigh.
Isn’t he the ONLY one who has said put the focus on finding Haleigh? And honestly, imo, no matter what u did the day before, the hour before, it dznt matter; the IMMEDIATE FOCUS and JOB should be to SIMPLY FIND THAT little girl. THEN, let’s start delving into everyones’ why’s what’s and who’s. Ron was the only one who kept insisting that. I think everyone took it as a sign of guilt; whereas this was the same guy who said if you want to know about me, look up my record…
And I also have a strange respect for him; it’s about dang time someone stood up to the media and said shutup!!! You wanna help, then go find my child instead of wasting time asking me personal sh*t. Priorities: 1st find Haleigh. Then, probe all ya want.
So that’s why i don’t get why people say Ron wasn’t active or trying to find Haleigh. I think one of the saddest things he did was to GET INVOLVED in that stupid drug sting knowing FULLY WELL that he was going into a trap; (if it wasn’t my other theory that LE used him as a bait to encourage Misty, it happens, u know, it could be possible)
I applaud Ron for being the first person I have ever heard get down dirty and dang nasty and not give a crap who hears it. He has not EVER kissed the media’s butts. He has definitely skirted issues and questions, but maybe that’s the SMART THING TO DO in a case like this….instead of gossip, accuse, blab.
Ron has never ACCUSED OR BLAMED ANYONE. And I don’t think it’s cuz he’s trying to save his own azz; from what Ron has shown from the beginning, is this really a guy who gives a dang what happens to him? I think the only reason he has withheld info is for the investigations sake of progress.
He hasn’t pointed not 1 finger since day 1.
He denied the gun fight. I don’t think to protect himself, I think definitely to protect the media from blowing it up and it messing up the investigation…then the topic would switch from Haleigh to the “Ron gun story, etc…” From what has been quoted from TN, Chelsea, Timmy, and Hank, yes, there was a fight over a gun…Ron played it slow and smart by not blabbing all that crap right away, that is what makes me sure he is innocent. He is the ONLY one we hear THE LEAST from, and hasn’t he had PLENTY OF CHANCES TO VOICE AND TALK ALL HE WANTS?
I don’t like the way TracyM and KIR talk…they don’t have to defame and be so ugly. I try not to go on heresay, and when I am called out on it, I really go back and see why i did it, and how I got it confused. The only person so far as I know, that I have been truly judgemental about is Joe; I have no respect for some 20something thug wannabee who has disgusting porn and gangsta and gang crap on a myspace. The first time someone shows you who they are, believe it.(Maya Angelou)
**craps, sorry bout that long post.
Ok, so no one wants to hear my ghost story? Scaredycats!!
OMG, I think I would be even more scared if Levi Page and his horrible hairdo showed up in the hallway instead of a creepy ghost figure!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!
Maybe I should put a pic of him on the wall and it will scare the “spirits” away…shoot, they’ll never come back….!!!
I hope this link posts,if ron wasn’t plastered in this video i donno anybody who is??
Check this out,his speech is slurred and he makes a plea in a hateful way outside the tattoo shop!
I had neever seen it!
he had 2 tatoos done but would only show one!
even tells the reporter to get out of his face?
http://www.examiner.com/x-33505-Nashville-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d20-Dont-clear-Ronald-Cummings-just-yet?cid=edition-rss-Nashville
Points to ponder,make your own judgements!
Ronald told the interview that he was tired of the media and that he “couldn’t do what he wanted to do.” What do you need to do? What is more important than finding your daughter, you idiotic dirt bag?
He complains about the camera in his face. MOST FAMILY MEMBERS OF MURDERED/MISSING CHILDREN would die for the media attention, not complain.
Ronald also bragged inside the tattoo shop about the money he was making.
How much more clear does it have to get? Ronald cared more about Misty, money, and “doing what he wanted to do.” Than he did his missing child.
Also instead of searching for his daughter, contining to try to keep her name out there like the parents of ther missing/murdered children such as Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway, and Mark Lunsford. Ronald Cummings decided to hook back up with Misty, and traffick drugs with her. I hate to even compare Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway and Mark Lunsford to a dirt bag, drug dealer like Ronald Cummings. They have been amazing advocates for their children, unlike Ronald Cummings.
While in jail on drug charges we learn that Ronald makes a friend. A woman by the name of Alecia Dunbar (hat tip to the posters on the Scared Monkeys forum especially BeatnicHippie who outted Alecia Dunbar.) Dunbar also has a weird fascination with Joran Vandersloot in the Natalee Holloway case.
I want to hear a ghost story.
I think alot of the same way you do about Ron. He may have his faults, but he was real clear about them focusing on Haleigh and stop trying to butt into his business.
Does anyone believe my 3 stooges theory (if you remember it from the other posts)?
Note #5
While Misty is talking and giving her version of events, Ronald has his face turned. He is looking straight at her, as if to remind her to “stick to the script.”
At one point Ronald covers up his microphone and tells Misty to look into the camera. But Ronald wasn’t looking into the camera… Ronald was wanting to make sure that Misty was coming off as believable because Misty was the one who was there that night. He was “at work.” ::rolls eyes::
Ronald also corrects Misty in the interview. When Misty said Haleigh and Junior were sleeping 4 inches away from her. Ronald jumps in and says “they were sleeping four feet away.” There is a huge different between 4 feet and four inches! Also, how would Ronald know if he was at work that night?
In a later interview he gave HLN’s Nancy Grace, he told Grace that Haleigh, Ron Jr, and Misty were all sleeping in the same bed:
GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
How did it go from 4 inches, to 4 feet, to all in the same bed? How would Ronald know if he was at work?
Ronald even married Misty, knowing that she couldn’t get her story straight. He threw a big celebration with her where they ate cake, and spent time with family all the while his daughter was missing.
Does that scene jive with the 911 call where Ronald dramatically declares that he will kill whoever he abducted his child? If he was so worried, why did he marry Misty only a month after Haleigh vanished? What father of a missing child takes the time to marry someone, when his child has only been missing a month?
After the wedding Ronald Cummings, his new child bride and his family take off to New York for a little honey moon where they do an interview on the “Today Show.” Ronald told the Today Show that he did not want the focus on his wedding, that he wanted it on Haleigh. I have a huge problem that load of crap coming from Ronald Cummings.
1: If you want the attention on Haleigh why marry Misty?
2: If you want the attention on Haleigh why fly to New York while she is missing?
3: Why did you give NBC permission to film the wedding? While the interview with Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin was airing, pictures flashed across the screen of Misty and Ron eating cake, exchanging wedding vows, and celebrating. A big “TODAY EXCLUSIVE” was shown at the top of the screen.
4: I want to know if Ronald was given any money for the “TODAY EXCLUSIVE.” If so, where did that money go?
5.We know that Ronald took Misty out to eat, to the race tracks and took her out on the town all the while searchers were frantically searching for his daughter.
We know that when it came time for Ronald to pay he would tell the waiter “Don’t you know who I am.”
Let’s be clear: Ronald Cummings is a sick , evil psychopath who used his missing child as a way to eat free meals and make tons of money. After his child went missing he got married and celebrated with his teen bride. All the while his childs body could have been decomposing in an alligator infested river.
Why marry her? To keep her quiet? To “keep her close” a quote many people attributed to him.
Ronald acted as if Haleigh was dead, and he acted like he wanted to get on with his life, take a listen to this interview where Ronald finds time to get a tattoo while his child is missing:
the link i posted,watch the 4th video down and you’ll see a ron you haven’t seen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMhfevtM9c&feature=player_embedded
Disgusting tape of ronald!
Sierra1947)
amsterdampictures from the studio comment!!!!!
1 year ago I tattooed him he contradicted himself over and over,we have 6 video cameras in the studio and everyone was watching and couldnt belive what they were hearing from ron and his girlfriend.
CathyJo: where do I look, what link? I’m very anxious.
Hey JenM!! I got some ghost stories coming, if you really want to hear them.
Are u a believer or have u ever had any experiences, or has anyone out there??
Im a big believer! And I have had experiences. gotta call it a night though. Catch yall later.
Whaaaatttttttt???? No uh no, no way….!!!
Nah, LOL, just kidding, but seriously, we can talk tomorrow if u want to. I am so excited that u are a big believer and also have had experiences…my family has had so many, it’s strange how some receive it, and some don’t.
Well, atleast for tonight I can thankfully report nothing so far; I’m staying awake purposely, and I just keep on holding firm in my faith.
Thanks. Goodnight.
CathyJo: What Link???? Help!!! Lead me to the light, oh great one!!! Link Link Link!!!
Uhhh, CathyJo where are you??? Don’t leave me hanging here!!!! The freakin birds are waking up here in Va. (Lord, I so wish I was in Louisiana) I miss it so much. We are an hour ahead here.
Wake up!!!
Awww man, I am guessing I need to go on the Sierra site. R u mad at me, or did you go nite-nite???
Wake up people, and smell the coffee!!!
It’s breakfast time, I’m cooking chocolate chip pancakes. Homemade. Bisquick…
CathyJo, CathyJo, CathyJo, where u at, where u at, where u at????
You ruined my slumber party, and u missed the ghost stories!!!
CATE AND LORI: Ghost stories on the agenda for today!!!! I promise!!! No funny stuff, I am serious….I appreciate you all being interested, and ur right, it is a break from the Croslin stuff. It kind of gives us a edge off to get a breath of fresh air?!
That’s what I love about this blog, it seems like no matter what, everyone kind of melts into the same mood at certain times and humor and off topic issues really help clear the air. Love to all of you.
Goodnight CathyJo, sweet dreams!!! Sorry I hope I didn’t make you mad!!!
How about a rain check for a slumber party tonight? Hell Yeah!!!
I want to say something: From what you have shared and given us the privilege of reading about you, I think you are a great, strong, inspiring, and truly loving person. It takes a lot of love to care so much….If you didn’t catch my other post, I had said that my son commented on your posts and said you seemed like a great lady….you inspired him. Isn’t it wonderful when we realize it really is a small world, and how amazing it is that just one single person can touch someone else’s life in one single moment…YOU DID THAT FOR MY SON. Thank you.
Thanks so very much, Simon and Jan!
I wish there was a way to show how much you are appreciated, Thank You is just not enough!
I dont know if it has ever been said, but if Chelsea and Timmy had Lindsys van for the night, how did Lindsy get home from school that night??? I have never heard anything about that before and was curious.
OPgirl. I thought the same as you. However, I
think Tommy had a truck at the time.
Goodmorning All,
It is my honest opinion that Rons only business at this time of getting his tattoos in Pinellas County 3 hours away from where they had an on going search for his beautiful daughter was in Satsuma. Instead, he was with Misty getting tats. Teresa Neves his mother had done an interview earlier that day ,prior to him getting caught 3hours away, That Ron was not doing well at all and he had been with the Pastor all day. I do not know if TN really knew the truth, but all I can say is BUSTED! Needless to say the Pastor never came out in Rons defense again! The church even denied to marry Ron and Misty and released a statement that they did not agree with this union!
I still feel Misty knows the truth. I want to be sympathetic and sometimes I am, but then I remember how cold hearted Misty was in the UC videos when she spoke of OUR BELOVED HALEIGH. Misty said ” Haleigh F**KED her 17th Birthday because she was there”. Misty saying this and Misty knowing Haleigh will never be coming home to even have a birthday and the fact she was dead.I find it hard to sympathize for her.
Hmm, I wonder if LE ever inspected the truck. Was that the truck Misty talks about saying it was Hank Sr. and as soon as Haleigh went missing Tommy sold the truck? I always thought that was interesting.
looking for Justice – What video was that? Is it on YouTube? I agree with you though. I think the only person Misty will lie for is Ron and Ron knows SOMETHING.
Abuse, neglect, demeened: I have tutored many children in my time. Special Education to be exact. The families wanted to keep their govt. checks increasing. If they see tooo much improvement (not).. back to the dr. for another scrip. Who was/did start this pill popping craze??? No book smarts in their bunch: Wanna be ..? What. JMHO
Did anyone watch NG last night?? I giggled. You know how everyone calls in and tells NG how gorgeous her children are and how much they love NG?? And she puts her head down like she is embarrassed by the compliment when you know all along she is lovin it. And the call was probably a “set up”
Last night someone called in and told NG that she had the most gorgeous children in the world. NG said”Did you hear that those bloggers who hate me”???
ICK!
I don’t see Misty as being a victim of any kind. Misty grew up early and learned to manipulate others into getting what she wanted. Oh she may have tried to spin it by saying she really loved or wanted to help others out but to me it really has all been about Misty for a very long time now and nothing but a sham game. It seems she even ran the show in her family unit. What parent would just allow a child to quit school at her age then? The Croslins gave into Misty because she was a handful even as a younger teen.
Her words are just that, words, and they are very telling. She professes she stayed with Ron because of her love for the children and because she said they had no mother in their lives but she drug binges for three days and deoesn’t give a crap about those kids. Then she has no emotion over Haleigh’s disappearance yet she goes ballistic when someone takes her own CLOTHES. It shows Misty has psychopathic traits. She cares about no one but herself.
Like Pat Brown said she is another Casey Anthony who will never admit to what she has done.
All this pointing fingers at someone else is only to protect her pathetic self. The very one who is most important one to her.
Her charade will continue. I didn’t see nuttin. I don’t know nuttin. I cant remember nuttin and if I do I dreamed it. I think you need to look at someone else rather than ME ME ME. She will continue her ridiculous lies and pathological liars always believes that everyone will believe whatever they say.
Misty is a pathological liar.
Self centered.
Grandiose.
Misty is out to save Misty. She really thinks this ridiculous defense is going to work. All she is doing is working on getting the maximum the Judge can give her in her 8 drug charges. Misty is going to prison for a very long time whether they ever can prove her direct involvement in Haleigh’s case or not and she is digging her own ditch deeper and deeper.
Iknow I read this somewhere on here…but can’t remeber and can’t find anything on google.
When does Tommy go to court for drug charges?
How about Ron?
And Misty’s is in June right?
They do seem to admit to some of their charges on tape. the drug charges that is.
I don’t know if they’ll ever figure out the Haleigh case with the evidence we’ve seen. But we haven’t seen all of what they have.
I don’t think we’ll see any direct Haleigh evidence until they charge someone.
this is a site dated with a trove of info – pics
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?start=0
Misty tells Chelsea in this conversation its gonna hurt two people- Clearly talkin about Tommy and Timmy. chelsea said she doesnt care about ronald and misty said no no no- meaning im not talking about him. so she musta been talking about timmy and tommy
Sister-in-law: So what, you have things you need to talk to him about?
Misty Croslin: Well yeah, I mean, it’s you know, hard to talk.
Sister-in-law: I know.
Misty Croslin: Yeah. But it’s gonna hurt two people. It’s gonna hurt two people.
Sister-in-law: That we care about?
Misty Croslin: Kinda. One, yeah. And the other, kinda.
Sister-in-law: That I care about?
Misty Croslin: Yeah.
Sister-in-law: Cause I know I don’t give a f**k about Ronald, excuse my language.
Misty Croslin: No, No. No it’s somebody. Yeah, no.
Sister-in-law: It’s not him?
Misty Croslin: No, you just think Chelsea, use your head. And you’ll know.
ronfan said,in May 25th, 2010 at 3:51 am Goodnight CathyJo, sweet dreams!!! Sorry I hope I didn’t make you mad!!!
How about a rain check for a slumber party tonight? Hell Yeah!!!
I want to say something: From what you have shared and given us the privilege of reading about you, I think you are a great, strong, inspiring, and truly loving person. It takes a lot of love to care so much….If you didn’t catch my other post, I had said that my son commented on your posts and said you seemed like a great lady….you inspired him. Isn’t it wonderful when we realize it really is a small world, and how amazing it is that just one single person can touch someone else’s life in one single moment…YOU DID THAT FOR MY SON. Thank you.
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Although I don’t post much here, I do read daily and ITA with your post (above) about CathyJo.
CathyJo you are a true gift, not only here, but to the world!
OPGirl you can find it at you tube under Ronald Cummings. He is very angry that media caught he and Misty in Pinellas County getting his memorial tattoo of Haleigh on his leg.
I truly believe Misty Knows Timmy and Tommy did this
Chelea and Misty talk while Misty behind bars..
Misty:its gonna hurt two peopl
Chesea: someone I care about
Misty: Yeah
(Chelsea Mentions Ron and Misty said no no no) meaning Im not saying its him
Linsdy is leaving tommy because the cops tell her he helped dispose of the body
Timmy said to tommy- I am still a suspect
he moved to another state after this happened and his wife gets a tattoo of haleigh out of guilt because she knows he did it.
lindsy said she does not think misty was home- left the kids alone
ron said this too
tommy said she wasnt home
so i dont think she was cuz she was partyin- drugged Haleigh before she left- came back she was dead
called brothers for help
then she feels bad so she writes a letter to chelsea saying joe did it.
good idea huh NO
now she says he didnt do it
now tommy said he didnt after he told his attorney he was scared of joe and joe did this.
So Timmy and Tommy did it
they need to pressure timmy and chelsea more- cops know that why they talked to her for 14 hrs.
They spoke to timmy and chelsea during the 14 hours. Don’t know if it was 7 and 7 or 3 and 11 or what. I’d love to know the breakdown and what was said.
Does anyone know what boots Chelsea disposed of and what her reason was for doing that?
Misty and the rest of the Croslins pointed fingers at Joe Overstreet early on, but not until after he had already left and was headed back to Tennessee. Misty then pointed her finger at Tommy. Misty said if Tommy was involved so was Joe. You can find this in the voice anaysis vid. Misty defends Timmy and even says Timmy is Rons favorite in her family.
Becky I thought it was Lyndsey who threw out the boots.
You are probably right LFJ.. I am confused. Thanks
Kristie, I think clearly she is talking about Tommy and Joe (Tommy she cares about hurting and Joe she doesn’t).
JenM said,in May 25th, 2010 at 11:19 am Kristie, I think clearly she is talking about Tommy and Joe (Tommy she cares about hurting and Joe she doesn’t).
well if it was joe and he just helped he shuld say somethin now.
You can hear Joe mentioned in the beginning of the 911 tape and then again right after Haleigh is missing and Ron is talking to the detective. Ron is saying he needs to be more than 75% its Joe, because he ain’t going to prison for killing someone who he is only 75% sure of, when the 25% could be someone else and they would be left on the outside and he would be on the inside wondering the whole time if he killed the right person.
So, not sure why you say it wasn’t till later. Misty said Joe’s name right off the bat. That’s why Joe was questioned. Plus they have had survellance up at his house since then. His aunt told the news that she sees them out there every day watching him. So, why would they waste time watching him if they think he is innocent??? Could it be that he is one of the persons of interest?
I bet LE doesn’t want to go forward with this on a 75% guage either.
Hope we hear some news this week! It seems that PCSO is on it and after the guilty finally. The story held no water…… it just showed the crack…Just my opinion.
JENM
from earlier blogger news transcript
cobra: that`s all i know, baby
ron: joseph edward overstreet
cobra: J E? i do know the extra part.
ron: joseph edward overstreet
cobra: you puttin` money on this motherf***** too, ain`t ya?
ron: I`m ummm…
cobra: 75 percent sure?
ron: no.
cobra: no? more than that?
ron: no, i`m not sure at all. …but i`m gonna tell you what
http://www.bloggernews.net/124400
JenM I have listened to the 911 call repeatedly and i have honestly not heard Joes name mentioned in the 911. I do not believe we even heard Ron talking to detectives in the 911 call. I know what the original police report said and there was no reference to any individual at all. I never heard about the 75% sure info until the Geraldo interview when he confronted Ron asking him what Chad and Marcus saying that Ron told them he was 75% sure and he denied saying that. He said if he was he would go get his daughter from them.
There’s a big inconsistency between these tapes and what Chelsea told on the NG show. Ron claims Timmy told him that Joe and the van were gone when he woke at 1 am. Chelsea said on the NG show that Timmy slept all night due to being medicated. Her only claim that Joe must have taken the van was that it was parked differently with a scratch the next morning.
AUdio 1 is at least 3 pieces splicted together
Lindsy: I threw your boots away.
TC: Why did you throw them away?
LC: Your work boots…
Becky said,in May 25th, 2010 at 10:54 am Does anyone know what boots Chelsea disposed of and what her reason was for doing that?
AUdio 1 is at least 3 pieces splicted together
Lindsy: I threw your boots away.
TC: Why did you throw them away?
LC: Your work boots…
Yes Kristie, they all have inconsistencies; not just Misty. I believe that is why Sheriff Hardy said there would be several arrested in Haleighs disappearance.
Thank you Kirstie.
Did she answer him and say why she threw them away?
texasmommy39 said,in May 25th, 2010 at 11:26 am Hope we hear some news this week! It seems that PCSO is on it and after the guilty finally. The story held no water…… it just showed the crack…Just my opinion.
Was wondering if you have heard anything on what Simon was thinking for new Sheffeild theories?
looking for Justice said,in May 25th, 2010 at 11:37 am Yes Kristie, they all have inconsistencies; not just Misty. I believe that is why Sheriff Hardy said there would be several arrested in Haleighs disappearance
Im beginning to think maybe ron for sure now was really trying to find out the truth? do you think donna brock staged all the flippin the bird to tim to get misty on her side? donna was smiling when she was arrsted so was ron.
and donna seemed to be friendly with levi in dec.
Misty has her next hearing june 3rd, I believe.
Kristie, Donna Brock was working for Texas Equusearch and with LE to get friendly with Misty. They were hoping she could gain Mistys confidence. After Ron and Misty separated and filed for divorce Donna Brock was exposed due to the road rage incident. Ron texted Misty to let her know Donna was working undercover and not to talk to her about anything. Why would Ronald let Misty know about Donna when he had a chance that misty would get close enough to confide in Donna what happened that night Haleigh disappeared. Ronald had everything to gain. They were not even together any longer.
Anyone know the background on Donna Brock?
How did she get in this?
looking for Justice said,in May 25th, 2010 at 11:46 am Kristie, Donna Brock was working for Texas Equusearch and with LE to get friendly with Misty. They were hoping she could gain Mistys confidence. After Ron and Misty separated and filed for divorce Donna Brock was exposed due to the road rage incident. Ron texted Misty to let her know Donna was working undercover and not to talk to her about anything. Why would Ronald let Misty know about Donna when he had a chance that misty would get close enough to confide in Donna what happened that night Haleigh disappeared. Ronald had everything to gain. They were not even together any longer.
Could be he just still wanted her to think she could trust him!
Thanks lfj, right on time. 🙂
I will try and find the tape of Ron saying that. He explained it just like I wrote above. I heard him say it on some tape, not second hand. Maybe that is where Geraldo heard it too?
Who knows. This is all such a big huge twisted mess! The whole bunch needs to be in trouble!!!
When you say she was working with LE and T/E.
What do we know about her involvment with le?
Certainly if she was uc for le they wouldn’t have charged her with a crime would they?
Wouldn’t they see her one time near a deal and bring her in and tell her to knock it off?
She was working for T/E to try and get close to misty but le? I don’t see it.
Becky said,in May 25th, 2010 at 11:38 am Thank you Kirstie.
Did she answer him and say why she threw them away?
i dont think so- I read somewhere they were almost new too.
My post got eaten!!!
I heard Ron on a tape say the things I posted above. Maybe that is where Geraldo heard it too?
Who knows. They all lie and this is one big huge twisted mess. They all need to be busted for something, that’s for sure.
Guess it regurgitated itself…lol. CathyJo, I know you will find that funny.
lookingforjustice said
Ron texted Misty to let her know Donna was working undercover and not to talk to her about anything.
that speaks volumes to me
if ron wanted to know the truth why would he do that!?
There was a fallen out with Texas Equusearch in Oct 2009 and they let her go LE told Donna they no longer needed her assistance. Donna befriended on her own after that.
I’m still listening to the video’s. Tommy is either very convincing, or he “did nottin.” I totally think JO is a definite maybe.
looking for Justice said,in May 25th, 2010 at 12:00 pm There was a fallen out with Texas Equusearch in Oct 2009 and they let her go LE told Donna they no longer needed her assistance. Donna befriended on her own after that.
ok my question to that was- Was it staged?
I think Hank has some sense in what he said about if it were his grandkids he would shoot suspects and ask questions later. He knows Ron was not acting right.And they have all the same stories about his bizaar behavior even before Haleigh was missing. Ron is definetly on my list along with others.jmo
Are they talking over one another, or is the video sound messed up. You guys have probably already covered this.
Do you know for a fact that ron told misty about donna being uc? Or is that a rumor?
Sorry, just seems that there is a lot of information and a lot of time trying to make rumors make sense.
We also hear that Ron was the jealous type, wanting to go find Misty on her wild weekend. jmo
Okay, LOL, on the third video Tommy’s voice is slowed down, and the other guy (Brandon Overstreet?) sounds speeded up.
JenM said,in May 25th, 2010 at 12:05 pm Do you know for a fact that ron told misty about donna being uc? Or is that a rumor?
Sorry, just seems that there is a lot of information and a lot of time trying to make rumors make sense.
As far as i know its rumor!
Ha ha ha. That dude with the glasses and the baseball cap is the comedian in the bunch. So funny…”NG all bugged eyed looking like a cockroach and shxx.”
Jaba you can find the articles about Donna brock in the archives, Oct 2009. Start around the 8th the articles begin around that date. There are some with audio clips to better explain things for you and Kristie. They are really great articles. BNN is awesome!
No way did Ron harm his child. And if he knew she was dead, I don’t believe that he would feed her to alligators or anything else. These people may be jerks, but I don’t see them as murderers. I don’t see any reason for any of them to harm Haleigh. The person who would harm her is someone who doesn’t care about her, or someone who is a pedophile and wants to hide their crime, or someone who took her to try and keep her from Ron and Misty.
When I think about this whole things from the beginning….Who is suspect? Who fits the profile? Is there a motive? etc.
People who take children? Non custodial parents are number one on the list.
People who kill children and hide their bodies? Pedophiles and other types of psychos.
There is nothing to show a crime was committed! That is another thing that comes to mind. There is no evidence, no body, etc.
You possibly have Misty, Tommy and Joe who don’t know what happened to Haleigh but all keep blaming the other. Because they have been led to beleive that something happened to her and that she was killed and thrown in the river. (there is no proof of that).
This is why they can’t find Haleigh or what happened to her. LE is wanting so bad to solve this that they are going off of lies and twisted lies that have no connection to Haleigh.
It is still very possible that the answer lies elsewhere.
Think about it like this…You have three kids. You have threatened to take away their favorite toy because they don’t take care of it. They are out one day doing stupid things and don’t know what each other are doing. So, while they are gone, you take the toy. They come home and say, somebody took our toy. You tell them, well someone must of broke it and threw it away. You get them to all blaming each other, when actually none of them did anything. They begin fighting and making scenarios up of how the other one must of came home while they were gone and broke it…etc.
That is put in a very simplistic way, but it sure could be the reason why they still can’t find Haleigh, because the people they are looking at to blame, are not the ones who did anything.
Just something to think about out of the box…..
JenM Tim Miller stated that publicly about Ron texting Misty with that info. I listed where you can go find out for yourself. The articles are in the Oct 2009 BNN archives.
heres her husband Chief Brock
wonder what he does for a living
http://www.myspace.com/bradleyabrock
JenM
Misty said 2 people and I think she knows who did it. why is lindsy leaving tommy after she was told he helped dump the body ?why would he take police to the river? Joe may or may not be invovlved. im not sure. but what I do know is misty knows what happened. tommy tells his lawyer he knows she died in the trailer. they all know somethin, im just not totaly sure about ron.
I really don’t think it’s your run of the mill pedophile or sex offender. Too many LD’s have been failed for me to believe that. When the question is asked…are you holding back information (or something to that effect) and the needle goes wooo weee screech screech screech you can bet that she’s lying there. Hank’s just oblivious to the fact that they are involved at all. He’s stressed because he don’t want to believe they are involved. He’s an old school hippie. He might do drugs, but he would not hurt no little girl or not want anyone else to be involved in hurting a little girl.
Does anyone no why Tommy asked if Lindsy was up there alone , his dad said he guessd she did. He said a woman took her up there
Simon or Jan,
May I be so bold as to ask for a more specific reasoning on video two and it’s relevance to what you are saying about “The Almighty.” Not because I know enough to disagree, but because I don’t get it. Maybe my hair is too blond or something.
Sometimes accidents do happen when drugs are involved. Unfortunately, Haleigh and her brother were totally surrounded by them. I stated the other day there is a possibilty that maybe was not put into the river, but was made to appear that way. I believe Ron does love his children. If something like this occured I believe he would have put her somewhere to visit. Granted things do happen whether you wanted them to or not.Therefore you do not need a motive. You just need a cover-up.
OOPS – Haleigh was not put in the river.
ok so donna brock went undercover
her husband works for civil service
she has kids
heres his myspace
http://www.myspace.com/bradleyabrock
i think it was all staged with her.she was still working UC
here is donna brocks sons myspace- seems like a great kid now he is in college- they have a baby girl too.. hmmm i think donna is UC
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/s_45b2d6ef94624f10baf11a6c564b0eef.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.myspace.com/_fast_pace_&usg=__xAZc9V8M5mnZDV1Yy-AJ3yOAg-E=&h=67&w=90&sz=3&hl=en&start=11&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=ndNQYjDqzR0xRM:&tbnh=58&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbradley%2Bbrock%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1W1GWYE_en%26tbs%3Disch:1
I don’t think Misty ever called JO a sex offender. I believe she said that he molested her. If she did say sex offender, you have to remember how uneducated she is, and how she could use words like that very ignorantly.
Shockwave, watch it with the “blonde” stuff as I am very sensitive about that.
Your right, Misty probably doesn’t realize that Ron was technically a sex offender as far as I am concerned since she was too young for him.
Kristie said,
in May 25th, 2010 at 11:33 am
I think that was Cobra who said Timmy told him that Joe and the van was gone when he woke up at 1:00 am, not Ron.
I haven’t refreshed yet to see if anyone else remembers it this way.
I wonder if Simon is ever going to put up the tape sillygirl was talking about of Lindsy/Tommy after the LDT when she got back from MA??
Kristie said,
in May 25th, 2010 at 11:58 am
lookingforjustice said
Ron texted Misty to let her know Donna was working undercover and not to talk to her about anything.
that speaks volumes to me
if ron wanted to know the truth why would he do that!?
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Now how would Ron know Donna was working undercover??
I am waiting too Vaq. I want to see Tommys reactions. It seems the lets frame Joe didnt work and Tommy put Lindsy in it because she has backed him up with alibis. And both Tommy and Misty just dug themselves in deeper by lying.They act like this is a game, just any story to get out of jail. Someone needs to explain to Tommy that even when he gets out the Haleigh case will be waiting no matter where he goes. jmo
LE also brought her in for questioning and I bet it wasnt pretty since she said he was at home with her the whole night. She also was asked to let them search the old MH for the yellow rope. Lindsy is really excited about her new job and Tommy is such a POS asking aboutLP buying her a car. They both are users did anyone catch that the last 2 cars she had were from her grandpa? Also I almost peed myself when Tommy said he tried to enlist, sure ya did Tommy maybe in one of those drug induced dreams ya had.lol jmo
I betch anything Lindsys grandpa helped her out as long as she would go to school? Seems to me he had the right idea and now she at least has a chance to start over without Tommy(POS). hOPE SHE HAS ENOUGH SENSE AND TIME TO GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON WITHOUT HIM. JMO
Kristie said,in May 25th, 2010 at 11:55 am Becky said,in May 25th, 2010 at 11:38 am Thank you Kirstie.
Did she answer him and say why she threw them away?
i dont think so- I read somewhere they were almost new too
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I read that too Kirstie and it wasn’t only Tommy’s boots, it was Timmy’s boots too that she got rid of
ronfan said,in May 25th, 2010 at 3:13 am CathyJo: where do I look, what link? I’m very anxious.
the link right above your head,lol did it post? i was shocked!
catching up,brb
ronfan said,in May 25th, 2010 at 3:51 am Goodnight CathyJo, sweet dreams!!! Sorry I hope I didn’t make you mad!!!
How about a rain check for a slumber party tonight? Hell Yeah!!!
I want to say something: From what you have shared and given us the privilege of reading about you, I think you are a great, strong, inspiring, and truly loving person. It takes a lot of love to care so much….If you didn’t catch my other post, I had said that my son commented on your posts and said you seemed like a great lady….you inspired him. Isn’t it wonderful when we realize it really is a small world, and how amazing it is that just one single person can touch someone else’s life in one single moment…YOU DID THAT FOR MY SON. Thank you.
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Awwwwwwwwww Thanks for saying that RonFan….
didn’t know i could inspire anyone,lol but yea it is funny how one person can make you think a whole different thing,I had given up on faith in people for the longest time ever because of my husbands murder ……though i wanted to trust and have faith then i found this place and some friends that gave me back my faith in others and let me know that NO the world didn’t just forget sbout me,thats a good feeling and a leasson i am so thankful for!
Cathy, Did you see the one where Ron is showing off all his tats? Very disturbing, he thinks he is cool and if Haleigh is his heart whats Teresas name doing there? Also the tats on his legs are really bad. He also thought he could sneak off to get them done and the reporter caught up with him. Teresa was giving an interview at the time and said Ron was too broke up to be there. lol jmo
and no i was off catching up on emails last night ronfan and looking for stuff i posted and i must be having a problem wih maybe a firewall or something,i keep losing my connection,it just shuts right off,then i have to log back in,fill my info out again tooooooo before i can post,i don’t get it?
I have done diagnostics galore,but nothing is wrong IT SAYS? and its a new puter so i aint gonna jerk out no screwdriver and all,lol
Also at one time the audio from the aces and eights was on you tube cant find it anymore but they did catch everthing Ron was saying. I hate it when things dissappear. jmo
Tobias,i wondered where you were yesterday but yes i did tobias and he was drugged up bad i knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww and that tape disgusted me Tobias,see my about 4 am posts last night,i was DISGUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wanted to do what he wants,I’d never seen that tape Tobias,mannnnnnnnnnnn
tea Tobias,and it was a 2 and half hr dive anddddddddddddddddddddddddd the beginning of the investigation????
and his plea,OMG Tobias that was a pure DISGRACE and if i thought he was a tiny bit guilty then,,,,,,,that shot up to 100% with that one tape!
someone made him cool it afterwards alil i am sure of,but that tape tells me more than i ever wanted to know!
did you see the comment from them i added under the post last night……….
CathyJo63 said,in May 25th, 2010 at 2:45 am I hope this link posts,if ron wasn’t plastered in this video i donno anybody who is??
Check this out,his speech is slurred and he makes a plea in a hateful way outside the tattoo shop!
I had neever seen it!
he had 2 tatoos done but would only show one!
even tells the reporter to get out of his face?
CathyJo63 said,in May 25th, 2010 at 2:45 am http://www.examiner.com/x-33505-Nashville-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d20-Dont-clear-Ronald-Cummings-just-yet?cid=edition-rss-Nashville
CathyJo63 said,in May 25th, 2010 at 2:47 am Points to ponder,make your own judgements!
Ronald told the interview that he was tired of the media and that he “couldn’t do what he wanted to do.” What do you need to do? What is more important than finding your daughter, you idiotic dirt bag?
He complains about the camera in his face. MOST FAMILY MEMBERS OF MURDERED/MISSING CHILDREN would die for the media attention, not complain.
Ronald also bragged inside the tattoo shop about the money he was making.
How much more clear does it have to get? Ronald cared more about Misty, money, and “doing what he wanted to do.” Than he did his missing child.
Also instead of searching for his daughter, contining to try to keep her name out there like the parents of ther missing/murdered children such as Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway, and Mark Lunsford. Ronald Cummings decided to hook back up with Misty, and traffick drugs with her. I hate to even compare Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway and Mark Lunsford to a dirt bag, drug dealer like Ronald Cummings. They have been amazing advocates for their children, unlike Ronald Cummings.
While in jail on drug charges we learn that Ronald makes a friend. A woman by the name of Alecia Dunbar (hat tip to the posters on the Scared Monkeys forum especially BeatnicHippie who outted Alecia Dunbar.) Dunbar also has a weird fascination with Joran Vandersloot in the Natalee Holloway case.
CathyJo63 said,in May 25th, 2010 at 2:52 am Note #5
While Misty is talking and giving her version of events, Ronald has his face turned. He is looking straight at her, as if to remind her to “stick to the script.”
At one point Ronald covers up his microphone and tells Misty to look into the camera. But Ronald wasn’t looking into the camera… Ronald was wanting to make sure that Misty was coming off as believable because Misty was the one who was there that night. He was “at work.” ::rolls eyes::
Ronald also corrects Misty in the interview. When Misty said Haleigh and Junior were sleeping 4 inches away from her. Ronald jumps in and says “they were sleeping four feet away.” There is a huge different between 4 feet and four inches! Also, how would Ronald know if he was at work that night?
In a later interview he gave HLN’s Nancy Grace, he told Grace that Haleigh, Ron Jr, and Misty were all sleeping in the same bed:
GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
How did it go from 4 inches, to 4 feet, to all in the same bed? How would Ronald know if he was at work?
Ronald even married Misty, knowing that she couldn’t get her story straight. He threw a big celebration with her where they ate cake, and spent time with family all the while his daughter was missing.
Does that scene jive with the 911 call where Ronald dramatically declares that he will kill whoever he abducted his child? If he was so worried, why did he marry Misty only a month after Haleigh vanished? What father of a missing child takes the time to marry someone, when his child has only been missing a month?
After the wedding Ronald Cummings, his new child bride and his family take off to New York for a little honey moon where they do an interview on the “Today Show.” Ronald told the Today Show that he did not want the focus on his wedding, that he wanted it on Haleigh. I have a huge problem that load of crap coming from Ronald Cummings.
1: If you want the attention on Haleigh why marry Misty?
2: If you want the attention on Haleigh why fly to New York while she is missing?
3: Why did you give NBC permission to film the wedding? While the interview with Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin was airing, pictures flashed across the screen of Misty and Ron eating cake, exchanging wedding vows, and celebrating. A big “TODAY EXCLUSIVE” was shown at the top of the screen.
4: I want to know if Ronald was given any money for the “TODAY EXCLUSIVE.” If so, where did that money go?
5.We know that Ronald took Misty out to eat, to the race tracks and took her out on the town all the while searchers were frantically searching for his daughter.
We know that when it came time for Ronald to pay he would tell the waiter “Don’t you know who I am.”
Let’s be clear: Ronald Cummings is a sick , evil psychopath who used his missing child as a way to eat free meals and make tons of money. After his child went missing he got married and celebrated with his teen bride. All the while his childs body could have been decomposing in an alligator infested river.
Why marry her? To keep her quiet? To “keep her close” a quote many people attributed to him.
Ronald acted as if Haleigh was dead, and he acted like he wanted to get on with his life, take a listen to this interview where Ronald finds time to get a tattoo while his child is missing:
CathyJo63 said,in May 25th, 2010 at 2:55 am the link i posted,watch the 4th video down and you’ll see a ron you haven’t seen!
CathyJo63 said,in May 25th, 2010 at 3:04 am http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMhfevtM9c&feature=player_embedded
Disgusting tape of ronald!
CathyJo63 said,in May 25th, 2010 at 3:07 am Sierra1947)
amsterdampictures from the studio comment!!!!!
1 year ago I tattooed him he contradicted himself over and over,we have 6 video cameras in the studio and everyone was watching and couldnt belive what they were hearing from ron and his girlfriend.
he refused to show one tattoo?? at the time,why hide his moms??
5.We know that Ronald took Misty out to eat, to the race tracks and took her out on the town all the while searchers were frantically searching for his daughter.
>>>>>>>We know that when it came time for Ronald to pay he would tell the waiter “Don’t you know who I am.”
did you noice this one?
I can’t play the newest tapes (video from Saturday on) because my computer says it does not support this format. Can anyone tell me another site I can try to download from, or anyplace that has transcripts I can read? I was able to hear the Friday Hank/Tommy audios, but nothing since then. Thanks for any help.
CathyJo : where can I see that at? Direct me to my leader, pleeze!!
hm i thimk thats thee problem Chakra had too,mine plays fine on windows media?
got disconnected again sorry
http://www.wikio.com/themes/Haleigh+Cummings
Tobias try that!
Can anyone please go to the article “Haleigh Cummings Update, Phone Calls you have never heard before”
*Robin on 5-22 at 12:37 am posted something so INTERESTING. I’m really behind the power curve here!
It was about Joe threatening Hank Sr. and he had a gun..
http://
http://www.examiner.com/x-33505-Nashville-Crime-
Examiner~y2010m4d20-Dont-clear-Ronald-Cummings-just-yet?cid=edition-rss-Nashville
http://www.examiner.com/x-33505-Nashville-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d20-Dont-clear-Ronald-Cummings-just-yet?cid=edition-rss-Nashville
did the broken up one show?
Tobie wsky in Gainesville has them . TJ Hart’s
station. I usually read BNN and listen on WSKY
sec,ill get em ronfan
ronfan,the video is that last link 4th video down brb get the other for ya
http://www.bloggernews.net/124590
Calls you’ve never heard
edited by Jan Barrett – I have removed your email address from here because we would prefer no one make them public on here. This way there can be no problems. I will be happy to forward someone’s email address to someone else if you send me an email making the request. Thanks 🙂
Hey guys what does get out of jail on paper mean. Misty wants out of jail on paper. Does that mean she would be on probation or parole
and is there a difference?
Tobie,
VLC and I got that after mine wouldn’t Play
Gom, I didn’t try this one
This is thanks OJ he told me.
tobias,ive searched everywhere for eights and aces too,theyve been removed but i wonder,the le may have them and removed them? theyre pretty telling from what i gather!
i’d say probation Coop,I’m noe expert tho tg!
she may as well drop that tho,no way!
i just hope she’s coming clean is why its so quiet!
then she might get a chance!
i believe Misty is innocent,the last tapes show it!
she even says I loved ronald,thought i was doing what he and tn wanted me to do and say,i didn’t have a key,i gave it back to ronald when i left,
i called and called him that night but he didnt answer and i open the door and there he is!
TN was there in a split and i saw a video where the actual 911 call was at 2:13? dunno
and yes there was a cop car at tommys an hr before!
i think those 2 are into something together!
from what i have seen lately,i also saw a tape kruger tape? that says Misty left ronald because the babysitting was too much for her to handle and he promised to make it better for her? hmmmmmmmmmm then marries her a month later,an obcessed man ino
imo i meant
Cathy, I just thought of something kinda funny, what if all the women in Rons life are joining forces to tell all they know about Rons behavior with them and the kids? Crystal, Amber and Misty? Wouldnt that make a good video? lol jmo
Cathy, I think they are both obsessed with each other but for different reasons.jmo
to Coop: Yes, getting out of jail on paper means probation/parole. The difference between the two is if you have been to prison, you get out on probation (called community control in FL), and if you’re given probation, it is because you got a suspended sentence and didn’t have to serve any time. If you violate probation you have to serve whatever time was suspended.
Cathy and Tobias, new article with Tommy/Lindsey tape!
I MEANT if you go to prison you get out on PAROLE. Probation is if you have not been to prison. Sorry.
LadyOnaMission – I really am a blond too, but I can make jokes about it, because I know I’m not stupid. A college gave me a diploma so it’s written in ink. I thought about starting a Dumb Blond Club. Becoming a member entitles you to your very own official Dumb Blond Club card you would use whenever the opportunity presented itself. “Oh, I’m sorry I ran that red light while I was painting my fingernails Mr. Officer. Here’s my Dumb Blond Club Card.”
Tanya said,in May 25th, 2010 at 11:39 am texasmommy39 said,in May 25th, 2010 at 11:26 am Hope we hear some news this week! It seems that PCSO is on it and after the guilty finally. The story held no water…… it just showed the crack…Just my opinion.
Was wondering if you have heard anything on what Simon was thinking for new Sheffield theories?
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Nope… I have been extremely busy lately. I was just able to listened to the show this morning. I am in agreement with Jan’s assessment of the situation concerning the Sheffield’s and agree questions need to be answered and from that side of the HaLeighs family.
Looks like most of the stories seems to point croslin more than anything else, for the time being, that is.
Courts dates are coming up fast. Pressure increases.
First-time poster here!
After listening to the (mind-numbing-if-I-hear-the-f-bomb-one-more-time-I’ll-scream) jail tapes/ videos, including ones available on YouTube (Ron’s), and wading through other newscasts, etc…, here is my THEORY:
People involved:
Ron: While he is at work, Misty called and said Haleigh wouldn’t go to sleep or was throwing a tantrum (as children sometimes do, even the sweetest ones). Ron said “whoop her”, but that didn’t work. Ron could have then said “give her something of mine to help her sleep.” DRUGS seem to be involved in this tragedy. Why? If Misty caused Haleigh’s death by hitting or other physical violence, Ron would not act so suspiciously (headless rat, marrying child bride, etc…). Does he miss Haleigh? Yes. Was he in mourning when the first 911 call was made? Yes. Absolutely. Is he guilty? Probably. Did he personally intentionally kill her or have her killed/kidnapped? Probably not. He probably told Misty to give the drugs. Probably told Misty where the drugs were in the house. Misty could implicate him. He could implicate Misty.
Misty: gave Haleigh drugs just to get her to go to sleep for the night. Misty either fell asleep and woke to find her dead, or it happened right away. Either way, she freaked. Called Ron. Ron knew that if he left work it would look suspicious. They need to get rid of drugs, evidence, etc… Ron then maybe came up with plan that involved Tommy disposing of the body. RON called Tommy, not to see if Misty was there, but to go help with disposing of Haleigh’s body. Misty was still feeling effects of drug-induced weekend, so things are/were not clear in her mind and she really is confused about the timing of events, but knows the truth about what SHE did, and feels remorse, but not enough to tell the truth. Maybe soon, though?
Tommy: Likely takes Joe or Timmy with him (or both). Disposes of the body. Ronald KNOWS this. Keep the beheaded rat in mind-a threat so Tommy won’t confess anything. However, the place at the river that has been investigated may not the right place. Who knows? Tommy’s dismissal of the mention of that place in one of the jail recordings (with Hank Sr.?) seems to indicate that.
Timmy: at the very least, he seems to know what happened, from Misty and Tommy. Tommy’s consistent need to talk to Timmy any time he is feeling “heat” seems to indicate this. Timmy may have been the 2nd person that helped “dispose” of Haleigh’s little body, but that could have been Joe. It is doubtful that Tommy did it alone. Possible though.
Joe: MAYBE went with Tommy to dispose of the (sweet Haleigh’s innocent, tiny) body. Joe’s involvement is in question (though still possible) because it is most likely he would have cracked by now, since he could have made a deal and ratted out these people who have implicated him. He, most likely, would NOT protect any of them. It is obvious that the other people involved have no respect, or even have contempt for Joe, so he is an easy target. Then again, he could be a central figure. Doubtful.
Theresa Neves: at the very least probably knows what MAY have happened to Haliegh (or suspects it). She may not know the dynamics of the disposal of the body, but she at least suspects her son’s involvement. That is (possibly) why she is protective of Misty, so Misty won’t implicate Ron. TN probably knows the truth, at least about the drugs involved.
So, why won’t anyone confess?
Ron and Misty: (if this theory is true) would be charged with murder (second degree, possibly. Intent was not kill, but still endangered a child to the point of death), child endangerment (keep in mind Jr. still in house where these drugs were), illegal narcotics, and more. They would be locked up for the rest of their lives.
Tommy: (If this theory is true) would be charged with disposing a body and obstruction of justice. Added to drug charges, he’d be an old man with wrinkly tattoos when he gets out. If ever.
Joe: (if theory is true) would be charged with disposing a body (IF he went with Tommy). Proof of Joe’s involvement is suspect, but entirely possible.
Timmy: (if theory is true) would be charged with at the very least obstruction of justice, if not unlawfully disposing a body. He could possibly get a better “deal” if he confesses what he knows, though.
T N: (if theory is true) Possibly charged with obstruction of justice, if charged at all (may not be enough evidence, but enough to make her SCARED that there is.)
Truth seems to come in itty-bitty nuggets surrounded by dark-hearted lies, but if you look hard enough, it is probably in there somewhere. Sadly, evidence so far is circumstantial, but this theory makes the most sense (out of a senseless case).
I know everyone has their “favorites” (for good reasons. I like to see the best in people, too), but there are really so many lies here, and good acting, that we could easily be distracted from truth.
I hope some of these people ARE innocent!!! What a tragedy if this many people are actually involved. My prayer is for justice, though, but I would love to be wrong about this! I hope Justice is coming soon for whomever is responsible!
Little Bear–Excellent post.
Thanks, robin!
Sorry it was so long!
Tobie , Thank you so much for clearing that up.
Sort of what I thought regarding Parole and Probation. The paper lingo talk I didn’t understand though never heard it stated like that.
Little Bear – I agree with most of what you said, and well written too. One tiny little change I would make is Misty and the drugs, and Ron telling her where they were. Ron didn’t have to tell her where they were. You got me to thinking too…if there were more drugs in the house Misty would have had to dispose of them. They could have been thrown into the river or wherever Haleigh was buried. They could also have been put in the washing machine. I wonder if you could go back to the washing machine and look for traces of the drug in the piping or hoses.
Overall, great theory.
Really good theory, Little Bear!
Thanks, Shockwave and looking for Justice.
After a little more research and discussion on the newest thread, I think I’ve increased TN to more than just suspecting the truth. She very well may have been involved with the “cleanup,” at least of the drugs (before LE showed up). Maybe not. But her behavior –see Geraldo interview, and the NG interviews where she strangely sticks up for Misty– the last person to see her sweet grandbaby (yes, Misty, whose stories are changing with each breath)! Why would TN not at least have a tiny doubt about Misty? Because TN probably knows what went down, and may have helped cleanup to help her son.
(Also the whole incident with Cobra was weird, too. Not sure what I make of that.)
I could be wrong… but… hmmmm…
Kristie said,in May 26th, 2010 at 11:15 am HomeSpain
did u see my post above on what we were discussing before on Alecia Dunbar?
its very intersting info
CathyJo, Homespain
ALecia Dunbar – has known misty croslins family member (Kelly) for along time-. I know Kelly is family of misty somehow but hav not figured out how= Kelly is the one that on her friends myspace has been talking alot about the case- Also Lindsy Croslin made comments as well on kellys. I posted some of it above- if you highlight this page u can see brandi bugs bunni alecia dunbars myspace- with rons pic. so shes just not some wacko off scared monkeys- she knows them.
http://www.myspace.com/naystar23
SO WHAT I WAS tryin to Say is
ALECIA DUNBAR IS TRYIN TO GET INFO FROM RON CUZ THEY HATE HIM
Kristie, wow good find! Ron is too smart though I believe to let out any incriminating info. Who knows though, may be he will slip up with a tidbit. That would be great!
Little Bear, I too believe we have to look at TN and her behavior. I believe her grief is very real. TN would only protect Ronald! If she had to talk up Misty to do that I believe she would. I believe your theory has alot of clout!
Thanks, looking for Justice!
I’m wondering about the timeline (keeping my theory in mind). Ronald may have called TN, told her the “story” that someone took Haleigh (after Tommy and Timmy and/or Joe left with Haleigh’s body), begged her to go clean up the drugs before LE got there to investigate the “kidnapping”. NO WAY would Ronald trust Misty to clean up! She was probably hysterical and still affected by her party-weekend.
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