thanks simon and by the way,
misty was asleep when it all went down..
she woke up and haleigh was gone.

SHAME on you blaise! Jan can voice her opinion like anyone else..more so even!

just listened to the tape…joe did it!

I agree with you simon. I just dont get the whole Cousin Joe theory….LE would have put the heat on him a LONG time ago the way they did the others if they truly believed he was responsible for this

Blaise said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

Hi Jan! Don’t you think that you should publically apologize to Crystal Sheffield? And, while you’re at it, you might wanna admit that your ‘gut instincts’ are really, really lacking and should be discarded in the future.
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Let me answer for Jan. NO, HELL NO, she doesn’t owe Crystal an apology because she has never bashed her. She has held to the belief that Haleigh was alive and hoped and prayed that she was. Any mother should be thankful for anyone praying for their child’s best interest and well being. As for “gut instincts” I have missed it many times but right now I think they are very accurate telling me in my guts that you are an ass.

No one owes Crystal an apology.

Lets get real. She knew who was caring for Haleigh, even said she knew Misty loved her and that Haleigh loved her. She was okay with the situation so lets not put her on any higher level than Ron.

Come HELL or alligators if I was to think as Ron did about the dock I would have lost my life looking for my baby!!!!

BTW I do not care if LE told family not to search that is no excuse he should have been beating LE door down with reporters behind him screaming til this area was searched.

The last part of the tape sounded just like many of the “Crystal conspirators” who post here.

MOO said,in April 17th, 2010 at 11:00 pm Ron is NOT innocent IMHO. He hindered the investigation just like TM said. The mentioning of the boat dock is no coincidence like the blankets. Ron and Misty need to come clean and start from the beginning and tell how Tommy and Joe were brought into their plan.
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MOO Good to see you here.Hope your well.

AnneInTn:

How’s Timmie the loony doing? Bet he feels like the complete moron we all know he is.

I predict – cuzin joe will make a break for the border…mark my words..

OJ’s glove said,in April 17th, 2010 at 11:39 pm I predict – cuzin joe will make a break for the border…mark my words..
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Are you a Misty groupie? Did you say she was set up?

Such rude people,shes talking to the show hosts wife,i would poof her butt she wouldnt ever be able to come back.I am very sorry that their loved one is missing,or deceaced.But their life styles both parents open the door for dangerious situations to happen.Many in this saga were neglectful when it came to their little ones.An they know who they are,i dont have to name them.

drug addictions,carlessness,driving while high,some with children in the cars.,sleeping around.Jail time,domestic violence,children born with drugs in their system.No jobs,no education, Family fudes, some inviorment for children!!! No apologizes from this end of the road for any one.

I know they are hurting over Haliegh,an that is a devistating pain.I know we had a 2 yr old murdered in my close family.I pray Halieghs found,It has broke my heart also an i never knew her.The not knowing has to be awful.but this should be a serious wake up call,for everyone.

I would like Joe to take a LDT like Misty,an Tommy.Remember PCS said hes lawyered up.So how do we take that statement?

If Joe is innocent,then he should have no problem taking,A indipendent LDT.His Attorny on NG did not, at any time say, he has taken one an passed.An i think that would be important for his Attorny seems he would have said he has been cleared by a Taking,an passing a LDT.

When Misty told about Tommy,no one out the family,an many outsiders didnt believe her,But it just so turned out he failed his test,an admitted to something,an brought Joes name back up as being involved.So just maybe she is telling the truth about Joe to,Maybe she just doesnt know which one of the 2 harmed her.I just wonder if there were others in the van out side,of the trailor.A dope dealer,or another family man.

I guess we will just have to wait an see if PCSO,will tell us what the labs found out.I do know one thing One or more people are in the hot seat,an they are probably sweating bullits tonight..If this whole thing is the truth.Tommy has told something ,but how much,an what ,we dont know in full,what was said.Except it started that search. alledged Ropes ,an cinder blocks, but PCS hasnt confirmed that.That i remember ,it was a rough week waiting to see if she was found.

I would like Joe to take a LDT like Misty,an Tommy.Remember PCS said hes lawyered up.So how do we take that statement?

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Are you Canadian? Just wondering if you speak many languages with the an instead of and. We can’t take anyone’s statement. The investigators take statements. He had that lawyer three years ago and perhaps that lawyer agreed to represent him in this high profile case.

Texasmommy39 said,in April 17th, 2010 at 9:19 pmCrystal dont hold your breath. It would of never of happened if you would of been the mom you should of been from the day of her conception. I weep for your little one. I have not gone on in my life for 14 months waiting for HaLeigh to come home….. to what?
Wake up and change your ways!!!!!!!!
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ugh! i value reading nearly every ones opinions!!! but, you are one of the few here that are a waste of time for me to read!!! ugh! ugh! ugh! you talk like you care for haleigh, but i think some of your words are selfish or maybe i should say self serving. what a horrible week this has been. why don’t you take a break and catch your breath or something. all my own opinion.

Couldn’t make heads or tails out of that last tape. Too much static. Can someone tell me what was said? Is this an LE tape or a tape between Hank and Joe? Hank and Ron? Ron and Joe? Tommy and Hank? The tooth fairy and Santa Claus? I can’t understand a dang think! LOL

I agree about Tex…I’ve made comments to her before because it is over the top. Do I think Crystal is a good mom? HECK NO! But Haleigh disappeared on RON’S watch, from HIS home, with HIS girlfriend because of the drugs HE did, the lifestyle HE lead and I hold HIM responsible. But ultimately it is the people who actually took and killed Haleigh that should face justice.

Tex, if you want to go off on someone, why not direct your venom toward the actual perpetrators (if and when we find out who they are). I have more anger towards the Croslin clan than I do the Cummings or Sheffield clan. The Croslins are a bunch of inbred, thieving, lying, murdering, drug dealing, doctor shopping, purse snatching, check forging, burglarizing, backwoods, yellow bellied, egg suckin’, roadkill eatin’, FREAKS!

JB is hot tonight!! Someone please remind me to call in JB when I feel the need to berate my son’s bio-dad’s family… what a bunch of F*8ki5g Libertines!!

Not really, although it was a bit clearer than the earlier ones… Cobra’s hmmms, ummps, hmmms… took over!

JDoh – I agree. I don’t have a lot of nice things to say about Crystal but my heart goes out to her right now. I know she is going through hell right now. NO parent deserves this and NO CHILD should EVER have to endure what it is becoming evident Haleigh went through. I pray both Ron and Crystal can get their rears in gear and do what is right for the surviving children in their lives and may the guilty, whoever they are, pay with their lives! RIP Little Haleigh Angel!

The main thing that catches my attention from all of this is the fact that Ronald wants to be the one to hand out the punishment, personally. He is still saying that he will kill them from his jail cell. Another thing, he doesn’t really know who did this(at least that is what he is saying.) Like someone else said, it is curious how the dock keeps being brought up and the alligators keep being brought up.

I keep wondering, why didn’t Ronald keep after Cuz Jo, if he really thought he did this? I would have been making trips to Tenn. and keeping on until LE did more checking on him. I wonder if he was a little afraid of Cuz Jo. He may have met his match in Cuz Jo. Cuz Jo could be as crazy and wild as RC. He may have been afraid what Cuz Jo would reveal about him. There seems to be more about this gun than meets the eye. I wonder if Cuz Jo was furnishing drugs for RC to sell, and he didn’t want LE questioning Jo to much.

There is still something wrong with this picture involving Ron. All of these people are pros at throwing people off on bunny trails. They love it, but every now and then they let something useful slip out. One thing that caught my attention was Lyndsay telling TC that she had gotten rid of his and Timmy’s workboots. Now that spoke volumes to me. What would she have been doing with Timmy’s workboots? She was just letting Tommy know she had gotten rid of his workboots because there might be evidence on them. She just mentioned Timmy’s name to let Tommy know she was getting rid of evidence from the night Haleigh disappeared. I think Timmy was with Tommy, and she knew Tommy would understand what she meant. IMO

Hi Ms.peridot:

The sheriff said arrests may take place in a couple of weeks. I dont’t know what kind of tests they will make on the stuff from the river, but I am sure DNA and that sort of thing will be long gone.

If they really did pull two cinder blocks our of the river as was rumored…they can trace them back to the blocks at Ron’s house….tests can tell them if they were made at the same place, time, etc. Have they mentioned the yellow rope anymore? I wonder if a rope was still attached to the blocks or if the blocks were just by themselves.

And why did RC want to go into General Population all of the sudden? What is he up to? If I just got confirmation that my child was dead I would want to be alone and not have to deal with other inmates. Is he looking for someone to go after those involved? Trying to score drugs (we all know they’re in every jail and prison in this country)…what IS he up to?

JB:
Yes, something is hinky. If you noticed in that tape with Lyndsay, she started out casually saying I cleaned out your sock drawer, matched your socks up and threw away the odd ones, A little later, she made the statement about the workboots. I have been around men and their workboots too many years to believe a man would just say I will buy some new ones, if I threw out their nearly new workboots. They would have a fit. Then she mentioned Timmy’s workboots too. That really gave it away. If people keep talking, they always give it away. I hope LE really caught that remark!

JB:
I don’t know what Ron is up to, but he never could stand the isolation. Maybe, LE thought he would be safe, now, that they have another POI. They wouldn’t be after Ron in the jail, if they had someone else to blame. If I were LE, I would want to be observing Ron around others to see just how hard he is grieving over the news he just received. I would want to see if he was really down or not. They might, also, think Ron would be more likely to talk more to the other prisoners.

karon, i was hoping if hc was really disposed in that river, and yes i believe she was, that maybe they really did find one of her bones. they could get dna from that.

hello jb, i have always been stuck on misty. and ronald. and i really did not want to be.
as tommy went generally downhill trouble wise, well it was hard not to think that could be related to what happened to haleigh.

i think of chelsea as chelsea mommy. i have hoped all along she has been trying to fill in as a second mommy, but, it never seemed normal. it was odd somehow. when she was on the phone with misty in jail, both chelsea and timmy????? all the calls to both misty and tommy seem wrong to me.

i really do/did not want to think this of tommy or timmy because they have children themselves.

but, if i take my feelings out of it, yes all of the croslins. maybe hank and lisa were kept out of the loop, because, they could slip up.

JB said,in April 18th, 2010 at 2:00 am Do you guys think there are others involved? Timmy? Chelsea? Lindsey? Hank and Lisa? Perhaps involved in the cover-up? The “S” on arrests has me VERY curious! Any guesses as to who they will arrest?
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what about you jb

Ms.P; I agree…

MOO! Glad to see ya!

Ronald points his finger this way & that way…so what….more MIS-DIRECTION & SUBTERFUGE

misty most concerned me because she has always appeared as a desperate really mixed up person. and haleigh being 5. they start to get so independent at that age. haleigh looks alot like the sheffield women. that might have been to much to deal with when you are a young immature druggy. also a troubled relationship with ronald. so maybe carelessness in haleigh’s care? or maybe worse? including letting others be careless or worse?

hgm, the look on rc face walking back to jail, i am hoping it was not relief that he was not caught. i am worried, that is what it could be. but, i remembered he smiled in mug shot, so it may not mean anything. stoicism?

exactly karon, and was dismissive about jo. nooo i didn’t fight with joe. didn’t he say jo was hardly there? annoyed? about being asked aboout joe.

karon, if you are here and remember, how long was ronald on night shift? tyia

Yes, in that tape we just listened to, Ronald was admitting to having trouble with Cuz over stealing that gun. Then after Haleigh went missing, he denied it. He didn’t want that story looked into, too carefully. Maybe, the truth of the whole thing would come out, if LE got to questioning Joe.

msperidot:
That look on RC’s face was very odd and hard to read. It is almost haunting, in some way.

shayshay said,in April 18th, 2010 at 3:47 am
hello shayshay, i listened on computer. it was tough for me. i will let someone else explain better.

Shayshay:
Ronald was telling Cobra that Joe was his first suspect, then Crystal and her family, because of the child support money. He said, why do you think Marie was always jumping in front of the cameras and saying she had a feeling Haleigh we alive and in Ga or Alabama? I don’t know why he thought Marie would want to give it away, if they had her in Ga or ALa.

RC went on talking about TC and Cuz being out there at the river and TC had his little boy with him, and all the alligators got to coming up. TC said I have to get my child out of here. RC said TC told him that Cuz said this would be a good place to commit a murder. The alligators would destroy the evidence.

Shayshay:
RC was telling Cobra that he wanted to smash Joe’s hands so that he couldn’t steal anymore. I thought that was kind of odd, because he said Joe was his number 1 suspect in taking Haleigh, but he seemed to talk alot more about being mad about Cuz stealing his gun.

RC said he didn’t think Misty had anything to do with this. He seemed to think the door could have been bumped(that may not be the right word)meaning opened. He didn’t think Misty let anyone in.

Good nite, msperidot.

To me, these tapes were more big threats by RC than anything else.

It is all very disturbing – where is our world going to…

Who is responsible for the loss of this little girl? Everyone – from her birth mother Crystal for failing her and selfishly indulging in drugs… to Ron for putting his sexual needs first – his penchant for child-like women… to all the grandparents, great-grandparents, and cousins… everyone failed Haliegh.

But, mostly we failed… society failed… from good quality childcare – where Haliegh could have been better looked after than by drug addled teenie bopper – Misty, to our educational system… starting long ago… Grandmother Teresa Neves lost custody of her own children because of issues similar to what is faced by this last generation…

And everyone weeps… no one has real answers…

Oh, I do believe that Misty loved those children… Grandma Hollars said it best “She (Misty) had them kids everyday, she nary woulda hurt a one of ’em!” That is spoken with truth from the heart, from one who has experienced pain of many kinds at her age. I do believe that Crystal and Ron loved thier children… but above all else did they put them first?

I do not know the real truth of what happend… all that I really know is based on speculation, horror, discust, general pissed offness, and outright anger fuled by rumor and a superior ‘well never in my house’ looking down my nose – wrong of me… but perhaps the only truth I will really know – that which I know about myself.

Mainemommy40 said,in April 18th, 2010 at 12:06 am

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Thanks for saying everything I have been thinking for months.I thought all the Crystal bashing would end this week with all the info out now, but clearly this is a personal agenda with this Crystal hating crowd,and not just some bloggers with a theory as they are still out to crucify this woman.

They are not putting pressure on Joe because they know the rest of the family who obviously knows what happened will crack. They are all turning against one another and are pretty scared. The police are using family, friends, evidence, the media, prison and other tactics to get at the truth. Those involved are starting to crack and worrying about saving their skin. Authorities probably have a very good idea of what happened and just who is involved. They just want to have enough evidence to put who they know committed the crime away for good. They are setting a trap for whoever is involved – be it one or more persons, lulling them into a false sense of security. It won’t be long before what the authorities know is made public. They are dealing with very cunning but also very volatile people and so they want to make certain that they have enough on them to put them away for good. The way the authorities are conducting this investigation makes me feel it’s not just murder they are looking at, could Haleigh have been drugged, raped. Was it one or several involved here. For those who think Mr. Overstreet is getting some bad publicity, check out his website, he’s certainly no victim and not what I would call someone naive or innocent.

http://www.myspace.com/380818970

Buddy, I agree with m2c — Recognizing and stating FACTS is not bashing.

That said, I have already acknowledged I was wrong about Crystal and her family in as far as Haleigh’s disappearance is concerned. It was not a stretch at all to consider them suspect — they had motive; they made weird statements about Haleigh being alive and in another state; they orchestrated that crazy, useless search.

I suspected Crystal’s family from the start, as much as I suspected it was a sexual predator, which was as much as I suspected it involved Ron somehow. Everyone involved was a suspect to me, and honestly everyone still is until PCSO lets us know what they know.

‘Morning, thewoodlanddark!
That’s the way I feel. I’m praying for real evidence so there can be no doubt at all what happened to Haleigh or who is responsible. Haleigh deserves that at the very least.

Never said Crystal was a good mother, her mothering ability had nothing to do with Misty being the “Key” to solving this case from day one or Misty failing several LDT or Ron and his poor choices from day one. I have been attacked and told to leave this site many times by the Crystal bashers for simply stating I think Ron knows something, yet every vile thing imaginable has been allowed to be said about Crystal and her family by this group.It continues today. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out Misty was not protecting Crystal when she failed her LDT or told so many inconstant stories.Ron would not be coaching Misty on interviews to protect Crystal. Ron is a drug using, drug dealing, liar with a long record, yet, you all have afforded him the up most respect as a “grieving father” and damned anyone who would say one word about him or his family, yet never allowed Crystal and her family that same respect. Why is that? TN and Ronald were on the same mission to shift the focus to Crystal and ignore all of Ron’s poor choices in life.

I know I have come across as defending the Croslins from time to time, but I have never defended any of their actions. It’s been hard for me to read comments about their physical appearance as, to me, that seems unfair and irrelevant. Sometimes it really went overboard. I learned to keep my mouth shut about it eventually, though. I realize that, for the most part, people are just venting their frustrations over Haleigh. I was sincerely worried, though, that Haleigh, if found alive, would some day read all the stuff about her case. While it might have warmed her heart to see how much everyone cared, it may have her hurt her feelings quite a bit to read all the nasty, hateful comments.

It’s also fairly easy for me to turn and face my own family and evaluate how we might all be regarded by the media and bloggers etc. if we found ourselves in the middle of a similar tragedy. It wouldn’t be Croslin-ugly — it would be an ugly all our own, but it would be ugly. These situations always are.

Also, I’ve lived in Georgia, Florida, Virginia, Ohio, and West Virginia and there have always been families like the Croslins everywhere I’ve been. There have always been small, neglected children in those families. There are children in need around us at all times. What do we, as a society, and as individuals, do about it? I, for one, haven’t done a damn thing. I’m really too far away from Florida now to have had anything to do with this, but what if a child went missing from my neighborhood? And what if it was a child I’d seen before and thought “That small child shouldn’t be outdoors alone in just his diaper” or “Why are they pushing that tiny baby around in a stroller when it’s 6 degrees outside” or “I don’t like the way that woman just grabbed her child by the arm?” It seems so easy to judge but so difficult to act.

thewoodlanddark said,in April 18th, 2010 at 9:25 am Buddy — please don’t say “you all” because I personally have done no such thing. You can’t lump us all together
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The “you all” was described as “Crystal bashers” and “this group” If you were not in that group, it is not lumping you with them. They know who they are and so do many others who have been attacked and run off by this group.

And you can only be “run off” if you allow yourself to be. I’ve been under attack a few times but I am still here. For Haleigh.

Buddy – why do you suspect GGS and TN? What odd behavior of theirs can only be explained by their involvement in Haleigh’s disappearance/death?

All this talk about Crystal’s drug use, bad parenting etc… is really getting under my skin.
Why?
Because this woman may have very well lost her Daughter from this life. Crystal’s Daughter is most likely dead according to LE and if people do not think that is enough of a punishment and if you want to continue to beat this woman up then have at it but if you are one of those people who have touted their religious beliefs in here especially here recently over the Easter holiday then please back the fu*k up because far as I can tell from what I have learned is that even for you prayer is supposed to be one of the first things y’all say you do in times like these and then along with prayer then comes forgiveness etc…

I believe that this woman has suffered enough without a bunch of people casting stones at her and throwing salt in her wounds. Jesus forgives right?
You think that Crystal is exempt from that? And how about yourselves? Judgement comes from the Lord right?
Who in the hell are all of you?

My very first serious rant in here.
Do you forgive me?

(PS I couldn’t care less if you did since I truly dislike hypocrits anyway, bless your hearts.)

…Just saying.

I will say at least two people are involved in this. Possibly more. All three of the Croslin/Overstreet family are certainly key players – maybe the husband knows something but was afraid to say. I think an argument broke out between one of the three Croslin – Overstreet family members, over something one of them did, said, had, or was about to do. Perhaps if one of them didn’t get what he or she wanted Haleigh was going to be hurt – maybe they were abusing her. Sounds like drugs and sex may also have been involved or tied to this case – perhaps administered to Haleigh, either accidentaly or intentionally…..the police did manage to lay charges on the husband and wife through their drug dealings – and the charges and time in jail is causing some panic and forcing Misty to talk. Maybe money is also involved, maybe something was witnessed, or maybe the Croslin Overstreet families are trying to throw people off what actually happened by adding confusion, but mostly, I think the finger pointing is happening because each is trying to save their own skin. I believe it took two or more people to put Haleigh into that water with the blocks. My guess is several people are involved. Possibly we learn that either one or maybe all three of the Croslin and Overstreet families will be involved in this and maybe there are more people involved. I imagine Haleigh knew her attacker or attackers I would imagine the police have a very clear picture of what happened and who and how many are responsible. The police are waiting for the right moment to lay charges so that they build a solid case. The families involved are cracking so it is a matter of time before all the truth comes out. None of the Croslins or Overstreets can trust one another, so they will all be pointing the finger at one another. I can’t imagine the authorities feel good knowing the background of this family and how Haleigh must have suffered in their care, nor are they feeling good searching the waters looking for her so I believe the police are taking special care to make sure they have all the details and go after those responsible. I think the details in this case will very soon lead to an arrest or multiple arrests very shortly. The police are being meticulous about this case and will want to make sure they have all details, so that they can go after all who were involved in this.

At least two people are involved in this. Possibly more. All three of the Croslin/Overstreet family are certainly key players – maybe the husband knows something but was afraid to say. I think an argument broke out between one of the three Croslin – Overstreet family members, over something one of them did, said, had, or was about to do. Perhaps if one of them didn’t get what he or she wanted Haleigh was going to be hurt – maybe they were abusing her. Sounds like drugs and sex may also have been involved or tied to this case – perhaps administered to Haleigh, either accidentaly or intentionally…..the police did manage to lay charges on the husband and wife through their drug dealings – and the charges and time in jail is causing some panic and forcing Misty to talk. Maybe money is also involved, maybe something was witnessed, or maybe the Croslin Overstreet families are trying to throw people off what actually happened by adding confusion, but mostly, I think the finger pointing is happening because each is trying to save their own skin. I believe it took two or more people to put Haleigh into that water with the blocks. My guess is several people are involved. Possibly we learn that either one or maybe all three of the Croslin and Overstreet families will be involved in this and maybe there are more people involved. I imagine Haleigh knew her attacker or attackers I would imagine the police have a very clear picture of what happened and who and how many are responsible. The police are waiting for the right moment to lay charges so that they build a solid case. The families involved are cracking so it is a matter of time before all the truth comes out. None of the Croslins or Overstreets can trust one another, so they will all be pointing the finger at one another. I can’t imagine the authorities feel good knowing the background of this family and how Haleigh must have suffered in their care, nor are they feeling good searching the waters looking for her so I believe the police are taking special care to make sure they have all the details and go after those responsible. I think the details in this case will very soon lead to an arrest or multiple arrests very shortly. The police are being meticulous about this case and will want to make sure they have all details, so that they can go after all who were involved in this.

To: Tuff Stuff, sure Crystal has some responsiblity in this, and she wasn’t a great parent, but in the end, if you take away the responsibilty of the one or ones who actually committed the crime of murder, and put the focus on the parent who wasn’t a great mother, but didn’t committ the crime, you take away from the severity, the calculated crime that was committed. This is a serious crime. Crystal is paying a very steep price now for not being a good parent, and she needs to be taught good parenting skills, talking about what matters, including values, integrity, respect, trust, etc as well as how to communicate, I’m certain she lacked many skills and values, however, for the party or parties that killed Haleigh this is an even more serious issue and they are even more responsible as Haleigh was in their care; Haleigh trusted them. The whole story sickens me, and it sounds like a community where there were no rules, values, respect, morals, trust, it was a world of abuse. Face it, any one who would hook up with Cummings wouldn’t have been the brightest, most respectable, responsible person around. I blame the authorities for this, sometimes, children are best not with their real partents if they are abusive. Haleigh didn’t stand a chance with any of them. If she wasn’t neglected, she was abused, or would experience and live a wild life.

I also think Crystal is greiving not only for the loss of her daughter, but at the choices she made and her life. I think of all of the people invovled in this she has the better chance of turning tnings around for the better, however that said, it’s not soemthing that would happen overnight and it would take a lot of education, associating with better people, reading, searching for what matters, integrity, respect trust and she cannot do this on her own. It would also take a lot of committmen and not sure she has what it takes, she would need a lot of help along the way. She’d need take responsiblity.

As for the Croslin, Overstreet family, they are too far gone.

That was meant to read “casting stones at him and throwing salt in his wounds” for the 14th month without proof of direct guilt.

NEITHER parent gets a pass from me. Not yet.

I think Crystal and her family still need to be held accountable for whatever became of the Haleighbug funds.

as well to you, nicole.

Which scenario is worse — that she’s been dead all along or that she’s been in a situation like that of Jaycee Dugard? I don’t want Haleigh to have been killed, but it feels icky to hope that she is instead in the possession of someone who is exploiting her. I had a sort of half-hope that if she were with a sexual predator that she’d be kept alive, sheltered and fed. That seems better than dead to me, but I can’t decide that for everyone, and certainly not for Haleigh. I have no way of knowing, but I bet Jaycee is glad to be alive.

And a clever predator might have understood the implications of Haleigh’s Turner Syndrome. Very likely there would never be any mystery babies to explain.

I have doubts anyone in Satsuma would be that clever, though. These are things I wondered about as well when considering the possibility that Haleigh had been sold.

It’s kind of awful living in a world where it’s possible there’s someone suffering at the hands of another behind any wall one goes past.

Wow, Nicole. LOL.

Missing and abused children affect all of society more ways than most people know. Are people supposed to look at this tragedy and ignore it just because it didn’t happen in their immediate family? To me, society ignoring the plight of children has been a big part of the problem all along. Yet now when people DO get involved on behalf of a missing child, we are told it should not concern us, that we should have just said, “Oh, well,” and gone on with our lives.

Unreal!

m2c you have got to be kidding me. You of all people should know where I stand on things with each by now and it may suprise you to know that I am a prisoners rights advocate as well.
I will state clearly that I do not advocate much at all for violent offenders rights. I think that if someone is willing to physically harm another and worse then they forfeit those rights hugely but not entirely.
Justice for all.

I notice that you jumped right up to comment. I figured you would be most likely the one who would first.
How funny is that?

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that substantiates the notion that Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. Ron won custody of both Children in a court of law. Yep Crystal lost that’s right but she did have continued visitations and before, during and after her mistakes are her own to bare.

Not a single person that has been attacking Crystal on any level has made any REAL effort as far as I know to help Crystal or her Children to live a better life.
The day I do is the day I appologize.
Until then, FORGET IT!

Contempt is merely contempt. What good is that?
So while we sit back and cast stones well there is a huge chance that there are other young Mother’s and Father’s out there making the same or similar mistakes that both Ron and Crystal had made. So what are you going to do about it?
Volunteer your personal time for the good of the whole instead of only sitting around bitching about it?
I doubt it, but I could be wrong.

Oh and btw no I am not one of those Christian types. Seemed obvious but alrighty then.

Thank you KArON, I think my age is shown because I read BNN and listen to the radio prgram through my phone. Thanks again KARON.

“beautiful*adams (cent) said,in April 18th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
It’s a bad situation all the way around. No matter how you look at, it’s gonna be a sad future for them all!!”

I agree with you 100%
It’s heartbreaking no matter how you look at it.

Hello- This is MOO – I would like to make something clear….This posting (I pasted below) WAS NOT posted by me, but someone signing/posting AS me…why, not sure As you all know by now, I quit posting or even reading these blogs because of the trash being said about me and any connection I may of had w/LE…
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MOO said,
in April 17th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

Ron is NOT innocent IMHO. He hindered the investigation just like TM said. The mentioning of the boat dock is no coincidence like the blankets. Ron and Misty need to come clean and start from the beginning and tell how Tommy and Joe were brought into their plan.
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Please, please don’t post as me. As you all know, I had surgery and have been out of “commission” for quite a while. As a matter of fact, I have had a few Minor complication this past week and hospitalized again, until yesterday….I got online to do a Haleigh update and saw the posting by “MOO” above. I’ve cleared the air with my friend at PCSO and he too agreed, that my previous postings were of no harm to the case, and posted as JMO, in most cases. We are good and I want it to stay that way.

Now, the one who posted as me, “MOO” did post my true thoughts on this case…..which I found interesting…..Stating MY OPINION ONLY, I truly believe this:
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IF Joe and Tommy went to Misty’s to steal some guns, it was more than likely to sale for $ or drugs. AND, if they didn’t find any guns, what in the world would the motive be for CJ to snatch up Haleigh? The only reason would be if he were a pedophile and he wanted to rape her. And seriously……he’s gonna just up and say, “I’m taking Haleigh and I will kill either of you if you say anything?” Nope……I just can’t see it. Now, if they would have “come up” with their story a bit more carefully, they could have maybe sold it….Like, saying that they came over to steal the guns, Misty woke…..they discovered there were no guns, and left…..Then, around 1:00am, Tommy woke up and Jo was gone again….. Furthermore, Misty says Tommy left alone, and Jo left with Haleigh…..Yet Tommy says he went with Jo and watched him dump the body….. So, they’re trying to sell, that not only did he take Haleigh, but he staged the door with a cinder block……plus, got rope and more cinder blocks from the property to take with him also before they left….while Misty and Tommy just sat there, together, helplessly? That’s a load of BS if I ever heard any. Not only that, but both Tommy and Misty decide to call good ole Grandma Hillbilly in Tennessee and spill the beans, not only on the same day, but within 30 minutes of one another? Maybe that was the plan….for Grandma to collect the reward money and share the wealth….that is if there is even any reward money left to be found….IMO, I don’t even believe they went to the house, period to steal guns. I still believe and will until it’s proven otherwise, that Ron is involved. And if Misty was at home when Jo took Haleigh, how does she know where the spot is that Haleigh was taken to? I mean, sure – Tommy could have told her…..but she wouldn’t know an exact location other than “somewhere around the ramp / boat docks off shells harbor way” How would she be able to “point” out a spot or location unless she knew specifically by being there?

Now, coming clean….Yes, as I told all of you, I work as LE for a school district….but, as skeptical as many of you are about me already, I never meant harm in my postings. That being said, I am fixing to give you all something to really chew on. I have the ability, somehow, to “see” things…I don’t like to call my self “Psychic” though… I am able to see things and hear things that not even I understand. I don’t do this type of thing for a living or for profit. I use this ability, when I can, in trying to help solve cases, as Haleighs, with no strings attached – other than trying to being justice to such a horrible tragedy. I NEVER claim to be exact in what information I “get”….I only relay, to the best of my knowledge, as I “interpet” what I “see” or “hear” or “feel”…That being said, When I do a “reading”, to begin with, I like to know absolutely nothing….Nothing to jade me or my thoughts. When I did Haleighs original “reading” long ago…I didn’t know anyone’s names, (not the dad’s, misty’s, nothing..not even where she was abducted from) I didn’t know what they drove, who they were…All I knew, period, was that a 5 yr. old little girl named Haleigh from Florida was missing. I “asked”, first thing….who was responsible and the first name I got was Ron or Ronald….and then I started hearing/seeing the van, drugs, got Misty’s name, and MANY, MANY more things, that to date, as things play out, have come to pass….It’s weird, I know….and to some of you, BS….But all I can say, is, at least for me, I believe in what I “can do”….ANYWAY, everything I revealed in my first and second readings done about Haleigh and the case….Those are usually the best and most accurate readings because my mind is uninformed. Like I said, it doesn’t mean that everything is accurate, I just try to interpret what I see and hear the best I can. And one VERY strong feeling that I keep getting is that, still, even in the location (St.Johns River) that they are not being honest with what they gave LE. I keep getting “separation”….Not sure why, but it could mean that haleigh is separate from what they’re finding. Could be, either “real” evidence was thrown there at the time the crime was committed ~ as part of their over-all plan, if ever needed, to lead cops to evidence, BUT NOT HALEIGH, to prove their “Jo” theory, OR “Fake” evidence was put there, for the same reason……OR, it could just mean that haleigh is separate from where they found the evidence recovered. I did reveal they needed to search for Cinder Blocks, (the same type used to stage the back door) BEFORE they found them…..But, that is neither hear or there….However, I wonder if there anyway for them to be able to tell how long the blocks were under water? I would venture to say, that if they find no “haleigh” evidence on any of the items, etc….then, it was all staged to appear to be the crime location……just like the door was staged. I am not saying the Jo wasn’t involved….I think it’s very clear, that Jo, Misty and Tommy are for sure involved…..And I would even suggest adding Ron as well…..but that’s just my feelings about him. Furthermore, I don’t think they want LE to actual find Haleigh…..just enough “evidence” to prove their “story” and hopefully convict CJo, and them receive lighter sentences……simply because they are tired of the Haleigh questioning, and KNOW that it isn’t going to end until there is some kind of resolution, period, IMO. Unfortunately, I don’t know if they will ever know the entire, “real” truth. So much time has passed, that even finding Haleigh’s body wouldn’t reveal a lot of evidence, I don’t think, from my experience.

And One more thing…..if Haleigh was simply taken to the boat ramp/docks, why is the van returned scratched and a headlamp busted? Where and when did that happen? The wife (either Chelsea or Lindsay, can’t remember) says it wasn’t like that before that night……This case is just eating at me. The least they could have done is get their lie straight before presenting it to everyone. I do think, that if I am right, and this is one of their newest “stories” – or at least part truth / part lies, that if CJo is arrested, and he DIDN’T kill Haleigh directly, he will be the one who will tell the truth faster than any of the others. I guess that’s all I have to say.
And for the record, I did share all of the above with my PCSO friend, for none of it is “factual” and thoughts of mine, based on MOO.

As all of you do, I want this to end….But this bunch of liars will never come clean. Hopefully LE has facts and other evidence that we are not aware of to put the true puzzle together and end this, once and for all….
(Sorry for the long post, I know you guys hate them…..)

Tuff Stuff ~ Thank you. You are kind.

Karon said,in April 18th, 2010 at 1:40 am One thing that caught my attention was Lyndsay telling TC that she had gotten rid of his and Timmy’s workboots. Now that spoke volumes to me. What would she have been doing with Timmy’s workboots? She was just letting Tommy know she had gotten rid of his workboots because there might be evidence on them. She just mentioned Timmy’s name to let Tommy know she was getting rid of evidence from the night Haleigh disappeared. I think Timmy was with Tommy, and she knew Tommy would understand what she meant. IMO
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Where did u hear this? I hadn’t heard that! Imo I think Timmie Tommy Joe and Misty had something 2 do with it! Why all of a sudden is tIMMY’S WIFE ON ng? iS SHE GETTING NERVOUS THAT SOMEONES GONNA BLOW tIMMY’S ALIBI out the water? That he was sleeping right next to her knocked out on pain pills? I think she is lying! Her And Tommy’s wife know more then what they r saying! I want to know where u heard that so I can listen to it! Sorry @ the Caps)

I’m not the person your asking as to where they heard this,but I heard it on tapes with LC and TC I don’t remember which tape I heard it on but never-less I heard it . Maybe Karon will

Maybe the boots is a code word for something else.

Check out Joe Overstreet’s website.

http://www.myspace.com/380818970

Not someone I’d want around my children nor anyone I know. Looks like a very angry, seedy, devious kind of guy.

What surprises me here is why anyone on this or any forum would protect the Overstreet and Croslin families – yet in the same breath run down the child’s mother? Look at the Croslin and Overstreet families, their track record (jail), their character, the fact that Haleigh died in their care and the fact the police are focusing on all of them for the answers. Even their own grandmother is speaking out against them. It just sounds alarms, no doubt the police are looking at them and anyone that is closely connected with them.

While Crystal Haleigh’s mother is not going to win any mother of the year award and has some serious issues, she did not commit this crime. She is still salvagable, provided she receives help, counseling and education and the Croslins and Overstreets are beyond that help. They have very severely crossed the line, no doubt all first covering for one another, now all pointing the finger at one another. The blame needs to focus on who committed the crime. Crystal will have a lot of soul searching to do now. This is a time where she can take steps to turn her life around – people are reaching out and help is available. Hopefully she does this, and becomes a responsible parent and decent human being. It will take work and counselling. Let’s see where she is in a couple years, has she improved, or done nothing.

Either way, it doesn’t take away from what the Croslin family and Overstreet family are and have done. They appear very seedy and not to value or respect people or life.

M2C,
I must have missed your last post there M2C. I couldn’t agree with you more on 99and 1/2% of your post.

The part about Tobias and what she is doing and what not well I was posting a general comment to all that it would apply to not specifically to you.

We tend to get on each each other once in a while but we both have similar thinking which is why I think we do it. You keep me on my toes and I stomp on yours hee hee hee (Just jokin!) LOL!

You are appreciated 🙂

I went back and re-read my post and it does say “you”.
I meant it in general terms though.
The beginning sentence of that paragraph says “we” meaning all of us in general.

(It does appear that I was chewing you out specifically though. My bad.)

JohnF I wish you had included the Cummings and Sykes in your post. Yes, Ronald left HaLeigh with Misty and he will have to live with that guilt for the rest of his life. I find it ironic how many people want to repeat what LE has said as long as it fits their theory, yet when it is brought up that LE has stated neither Crystal NOR Ron are suspects they accuse LE of playing games and lying. I do think he should be held accountable for his involvement in the drug dealing, but to continuously beat down him and his entire family is pure hatefulness. Have they not suffered enough for some people? Are they not still suffering enough for some? All of HaLeighs loved ones are suffering right now and living with the guilt of being the adults in her life meant to protect her only to have this happen, maybe the trashing of all of them should stop. Some people need to have a heart and get a conscience. The Croslins and Overstreets are the ones that should be getting the scrutiny and all, look at what they have been hiding for fourteen months now.

Does anyone remember hearing that Haleigh wondered off before and Crystal says she found her face down in a canal and had to revive her??? Of course, she never called 911 either. Now tell me why if your child is missing would you not call 911? and why when you find her (reportedly unconscious) and you have to revive her, would you not take her to the Dr. or call 911? And how does Crystal claim that Haleigh was in the care of Ron when she wondered away, but it was Crystal that found her? Sorry, but she is still suspect in my eyes (that is until they arrest and convict someone in this case).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4fi4CGP89A