Sorry that we have to put these videos up in such a choppy fashion, but we have no choice. Both BNN and WSKY 97.3 have been working hard on this problem.
This is part two of the jail house visit between Tommy Croslin, His father Hank Croslin, and his wife Lindsay Croslin. In part one we heard Tommy tell Hank Croslin that Lindsay wrote a letter that said that Art Harris was sticking up for him. Hank bowed out of the discussion and replies “I haven’t talked to Art Harris about youâ€.
In part two we have Tommy talking to his wife Lindsay, interestingly enough, Art Harris also gets a mention. One wonders why Tommy is so fascinated by what Art Harris has to say?
Tommy is also concerned that Lindsay is about to get a tax refund, she needs to keep it to enable her to post bond for him. Doh, that is not going to work! He is on a ‘no bond’ hold!
The interaction between Tommy and Lindsay is interesting, and well worth a watch and listen.
We seem to be having some technical issues, but here is the embedded video:
If that does not work, try this link.As I have said before, none of this will directly help us to find Haleigh Cummings, but they offer a really fine example of the family.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon & Jan….God Bless you both! You are both angels!
NICE example to bring the kid along to see his daddy!
OMG, It’s bad enough that she brings the child into the jail to see “daddy” but on top of it, that selfish POS has the nerve to say that he KNOWS the boys needs beds, but DON’T SPEND THE MONEY IN CASE I CAN GET OUT! I thought he was a POS before but I’ll tell you, the BEST thing that can happen for Lindsey (and the boys), would be for him to go to prison. Maybe she will smarten up in the meantime, while he’s away. Find herself a REAL man!
These video’s are like a horrible train wreck. Can’t stop watching but make you sick to see. UGH!
I’d like to know WHAT it is that Lindsey thinks is so “unfair”? I hope she realizes that she deserves better than this POS. She is so co-dependent that’s it’s hard to watch her. How very sad.
Did he really tell her not to spend any of that money? SHE HAS TO FEED HIS CHILDREN! This little pr@#ck pisses me off! Man what selfishness. Thats all I can say.
I hope she files for divorce.
Can you imagine what is going on in that poor childs head? How horribly sad to watch.
I am so upset. Cant hardly watch Lensy and her child.
I think she knows something and SHE will be the one that breaks. She is worried about her children, you can hear it in her tone and see it on her face, she rolls her eyes every time he says something about getting out.
Poor little Austin. Lindsy and Tommy are subjecting him to emotional incest. They are including him in their adult problems, which he tries to make sense of, and sadly – tries to help.
During the visit when Lindsy told Tommy she didn’t have a dollar, Austin got on the phone to explain to his self-centered ‘Daddy’ that the reason was because they had to buy gas [for the car].
Lindsy didn’t have a dollar to buy a candy bar from a jail vending machine for Austin, because her last dollar was spent on transportation to visit the self-centered ‘get-high’ boy who blames Haleigh being missing for his being arrested on drug trafficking charges.
They need to let Austin be a child. STOP including him in their adult conversations.
Blue Moon said,in February 15th, 2010 at 8:07 pm I think she knows something and SHE will be the one that breaks. She is worried about her children, you can hear it in her tone and see it on her face, she rolls her eyes every time he says something about getting out.
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I agree Blue Moon.
I’ve noticed her reaction in both the videos we’ve seen. She has been raised right..you can tell. In this video she even says that she’s not cut out for this.
I feel really bad for her as a mother. A good mother will do whatever they have to do for the sake of their children.
You are right Keep it Real, she is on the verge, I do believe, if she knows ANYTHING…She will lose her children, I think she is a good Mom despite bringing the children to jail, but I guess they want to see their Dad. Personally, I would never do that.
Her whole posture has changed since the first tapes we have seen. She seems broken…
Lindsy, find a babysitter to take Austin to the playground while you visit their selfish biological father.
Yes Jason, he does need to be allowed to be a little boy, without this crap. It is not fair to him and I don’t think he should even be allowed in there.
Exactly, Blue Moon.
I saw a video on one of the Florida news sites where Lindsey was walking in to be interviewed by LE or FBI right after they charged Tommy with the B&E in jail. I don’t think she’s stupid. I’m sure they told her that there would be huge trouble for her if she kept the kids in that environment any longer. Another reason I feel she moved was for safety reasons also. I would fear for my children’s lives if my husbands whole family had been smeared all over the tv in this case. And if Tommy really does know something, then his family would be a target also. It’s sad.
Here’s hoping Lindsey will “woman-up”!
Oops. Meant to say IF Tommy really does know something and/or had something to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance, then his family would be a target also.
Tommy expects her to get money to live on from her grandparents, and save the big tax refund for him. I hope they see this video.
Let me see If I can get this straight. If I’m wrong please correct me. Tommy has no chance at bonding out. He doesn’t want his own wife to use money to take care of her and his children’s well being just in case he could get bonded? They can STARVE? But save the money for Daddy! Don’t care if the children have a bed. Send me money to the jail I’m hungry, put money on a phone card. WHAT A MAN Misty and Tommy can try to beat each other to the phone calls But make sure you take the children to church. I am a christian but these felons who use religion after they get caught until they get out make me sick. Yes. I do know a few that has changed their lives for the better after incarceration but 95% uses God for a tool to get out of jail. So far from what I’d heard all these people are right where they belong. This is the typical jargon that comes from most felons mouths. It’s always someone else’s fault (poor me). They all LOVE their family after they’re incarcerated, They know they’re being recorded but can’t seem to SHUT UP.
But thank God he got some socks.
Blue Moon, I don’t think he should be allowed their either. If they were meeting in a room with an adult to supervise children while they played with toys, and private adult conversation between the parents, then fine.
They need to leave him out of it, as you say – let him be a child.
Ok, this goes back to the 911 call..The marked car was at Tommy and Lindsey’s house ALREADY, I thought this was suspicious, about another theory I had. If they were at the house (for screaming, some say..this is where it gets muddy though, as if LE KNEW what was going on) I, after seeing this video, KNOW, that Lindsey knows something..
judithan,
I’ve heard it said atheists cry out for God when drowning. If they’re rescued and don’t drown, God no longer exists. If God isn’t needed, he or she doesn’t exist to an atheist.
Tommy blames Haleigh being missing for his being arrested and incarcerated. He’s convinced that if it weren’t for Haleigh, he wouldn’t be in jail.
He doesn’t think he erred by trafficking drugs. He thinks he erred by trafficking drugs while Haleigh is missing.
Blue Moon,
Do you think Lindsy has knowledge of what happened to Haleigh?
Lindsey is scared to peices. She is on the fence of losing her husband, OR being/staying a Mother to her children…ONE child is gone already…Where she is, we don’t know. BUT, Lindsey, I don’t think will let her children “go into the system” to “save” her unsaveable husband. At least I HOPE not.
I have wondered if the police car was at Tommy’s that night because Hank Croslin,Sr. had been in a bad wreck over the week-end. It may have been something to do with that.
If any of you haven’t heard Geraldo’s brother’s interview with Crystal and Jr. You can google it at: itsamysterytome/Geraldo/Crystal Sheffield interviewing Jr.
Jason, after seeing that video, YES, without a doubt!!
Blue Moon,
Interesting. What in the video convinces you?
Jason,
The rolling of her eyes, the responses she gives to Tommy, the new agitation that I have not seen before. The defiance about not spending the IRS check, because she needs to live, she eventually told him, she needs it to live. How DARE he suggest not to spend it on their children??? OH, OK, I will save it to “bail” you out, for a few months…LIFE GOES ON WITHOUT HIM!!! I think she was scared of him before. You see him in the videos, and of course he is humbled. But she knows he is in there for a LONG time now…He will never hurt her again, but right now she has the chance to save her children and be with them. Tommy kept telling her to “be strong = DONT TELL” IMO, of course
Jason, you are so right about an atheists .I grew up with one in my classroom and he was a neighbor.
They all want to blame Haleigh for their problems. Not accepting responsibility for their own actions and lifestyle.
I have a feeling that Lindsey’s relatives are trying to get her and her children away from this disaster. I hope they do. JMO
Jason, out of curiosity…are you who they say you are?? You have not posted since some comments where made..
Blue Moon, I think right now Lindsey’s family is starting to realize the weight that the Croslins have put on her shoulders and her family. They seem to suck the life out of everyone they touch. Seems her family was smart enough to not allow Tommy’s parents to move with her. I just hope she can move forward with her life. I can’t see a bright future for Tommy but his children deserve better.
You can hear some of the background language on the 9-1-1 tape by googling Geraldo 2/15/09/ Part 2 of 6
The background sound is amplified on the first patrt of this tape and you can hear Ronald saying to Misty, “We f–ked. I didn’t have anything to do with this.”
Why did he feel the need to tell Misty he didn’t have anything to do with this, if she knew he was at work? This is just a little portion of the amplified background. Cobra said all kinds of things were going on in the background, rushing around slamming doors, pushing buttons.
Turn your sound up at the beginning of this tape.
I agree Judithan, and it seems the comments about the G’pa helping her financially did not sit well with her this video (or the first for that matter). She rolled her eyes again when he said that her G’pa should her HER?? Oh, you mean YOUR KIDS that you cannot support??? Oh, yeah…
Can you give a link?? I have done all the things I know to hear that more clearly…I know what you are saying. I don’t have it in front of me, save looking for it..Can you kindly post what you have?
Thanks Karon
I’ve been looking everywhere for a link to that.
I was thinking that this is the most productive times that I have posted here. NO drama, NO blaming folks for how they feel…Just really good and kind Back and Forth!! Thanks.
I don’t know why, but just since these new tapes have been played I feel like maybe Ron came home from work BEFORE the 911 call was made and left again..thus the video of him at the store buying cigs, etc. I just keep reading where Misty is waiting for him on the front porch saying “Do you have HaLeigh?” and then what we hear on the 911 enhanced tape.
Why would she think he had HaLeigh..unless he had just been home and left again??
JMO
Will someone get a link on this. I am having trouble reading it, right now. Someone google it in and get a link, please.
Karon, I posted the link you told me about at 9:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/user/peinay#p/a/26824E1D7A527A57/2/djCp9K9ckjA
Here you go! Hope it works
Will someone get a link on this? I am having trouble reading it, right now. Someone google it in and get a link, please.
KIR, It is very possible. I have never thought he would have done something to her, but I am having serious doubts now. I think you are right about the time frame.
Karon I will help you if I can. What are you wanting a link to?? the video in the above article by Simon or something mentioned in a post?
Blue Moon, thanks.
I know it’s not the popular theory at all, and I never was even suspicious until the last couple of days. But since we’re putting possible scenarios, I thought I’d throw this one in, because WHY would Misty think Ron had HaLeigh with him in his vehicle unless he had come home earlier and left again? Makes no sense?
Karon, I posted the youtube video you are looking for twice above,and I can see it, but maybe no one else can? Maybe being held up in moderation or something?
Let me know!
KIR, Yep, I know it’s not, and actually not been one of mine until recently!! I am interested in the sound enhanced 911 call if you could post a link. I will check back tomorrow…Off to bed now. Good Nite All
Jason from FDLE post here? That would be odd. Maybe it’s that there is not the right type of officer in this case. I been looking at these officers from Jason to Wyatt and none of them would make me comfortable to speak. Can’t really describe what it is just that for sure it is missing in these men.
Loved ones are great at denial what seems so obvious to you & I seems like hog wash to them. Things that are huge red flags to everyone else are swept under the rug in the name of “I must be mistaken that can’t be” Maybe time and distance will cause her a bit of a reality check. Maybe it will sink in and that little thing said or done that she dismissed will ring louder for her, surely hope so. I don’t think she is a bad person I think she is a good person in a horrible situation. It is possible she is in deep denial just to survive it all.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
Blue Moon , I did not like the fact Tommy told her to not use their tax money but to get money from her family for her and the children. She better wake up and realize her G’pa’s only interest is her and her children. You think the Croslins are going to raise them?
Judithan, Yes, that really made me mad too. Nope, I don’t think her family will do anything for her to enable her husband anymore, at all.. I think she is finally realizing her and her childrens future…IMO from the video. Now, I am really going to bed LOL!!!
I just listened to the YouTube video Karon posted about re the 911 call with amplified background sound. I heard Ron say he “didn’t have anything to do with this.” Very clearly.
KeeptItReal mentioned the possibility of Ron having come home from work earlier, then leaving. That is something I have always wondered about because of the reports that Ron had been trying to contact Misty via phone all evening and she had not answered her phone.
Now, if that is true, and Ron really was trying so hard to reach Misty all evening, why would he stop at the store on his way home from work at 3 am? Seems to me he would have wanted to get home asap once he got off work.
Possibly he wanted to be captured on camera somewhere at that time of the morning?
cath, I hate to say it, but that’s what I was thinking in my above post. It doesn’t make sense any other way.
Misty also said during her voice analysis that about if someone puts a gun in your mouth, huh uh, I’m not talking…
We’ve all heard about Ron putting guns in his own mouth, so I don’t know; it’s just strange.
cathartic, where is that post Karon made?
Yep, maybe he stopped at that store regularly on his way home. So he made a point to be there THAT morning at that time, for his alibi? To make it look like he was coming home from work as usual.
Sorry if this posts twice, it’s not working right.
I don’t see a video posted by Karon??
treece, this is what Karon posted:
You can hear some of the background language on the 9-1-1 tape by googling Geraldo 2/15/09/ Part 2 of 6
I copied and pasted in google and it brought up all the Geraldo YouTube possibilities, then scrolled down to the Part 2 of 6 video.
cathartic, thank you!!!!
Are you allowed to post links on this site?
KeepItReal, I firmly believe that the gun in the mouth scenario Misty mentioned really did happen to her. It was such an odd thing to say at the time she said it that it just sounded like a fact to me.
I tried to post the Youtube video 3 times and I can see it on my computer here, but evidently no one else here can. So I don’t know.
keep it real, it shows to me at 9:56, is that the one you are looking for?
cathartic, I 100% believe it happened to her, but until the last couple of days, I couldn’t figure out who had done that to her. It was just something I couldn’t quite put my finger on.
On the 911 tape above, before he says “I didn’t have anything to do with this”, he says “we f–cked”. ???
Doesn’t make sense any other way.
In Google, past the following blurb:
Geraldo 2/15/09/ Part 2 of 6
Then you will see the youtube listings of all the Geraldo vids. Click on the Part 2 of 6 video. Turn your volume all the way up.
treece said,in February 15th, 2010 at 10:34 pm keep it real, it shows to me at 9:56, is that the one you are looking for?
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Yes! Treece, Thank you! I was beginning to wonder about myself, lol
Maybe it isn’t “we.” Sounds like “we” but what if he said “we’re.” Meaning we are? But he is not near enough to the phone so it comes out sounding like “we.”
The tape could easily be analyzed to make it more clear.
http://www.youtube.com/user/peinay#p/a/26824E1D7A527A57/2/djCp9K9ckjA
I’ll try one more time!
KeepItReal,
Maybe he didn’t say “we.” Sounds like “we” but what if he said “we’re.” Meaning ‘we are’. But he is not near enough to the phone so it might come out sounding like “we.”
The tape could easily be analyzed to make it more clear.
Grrr, why are my posts not taking, then when I try a redo, they both post? (It’s not me trying to cause trouble, honest!)
What else/who else would Misty be so afraid of?
OK, I want to think out loud here, if I may:
Ron was fired from PDM. It was said it was due to him not going to work because he was so upset over Haleigh.
But, what if he was fired for another reason? Like, possibly, being gone from the job site one night while he was still on the clock?
Don’t forget the :itsamysterytome/Geraldo/Crystal Sheffield interview with Jr.
If someone will get a link for this one for the people who haven’t heard Jr.’s interview. By watching this, we should be able to understand why he can’t tell LE anymore about that night. Some of this could be shyness, however.
Thanks for helping me.
That’s very possible, cathartic
Haleigh was kidnapped 2/10/09
Ron was fired for job abandonment 4/17/09
I have often wondered why we never heard Jr. in the background during the 911 call. No crying or fussing, not even talking. But I suppose it could be that chaos was the norm in that household so he just didn’t react.
OK, ty for that info treece.
Karon, I couldn’t find the itsamysterytome link. Is it on youtube also?
Did anyone watch NG tonight? I know Ron’s family must be upset after what she said about “everyone in the Cummings family does those pills..every last one of them”.
Hi Blue Moon,
Just checked back, and want to answer your question: I’m not the Jason mentioned by Ron in one of his conversations with TN.
I didnt see Tommy looking his wife in the eyes.Its a shame to care for a man.Who clearly puts all his needs before his whife,an children.Its hard for a mother alone with children to survive,in this world.When she said we have to survive.An he retorted for her to get help from others.It maybe an evey opener for her.Once she moves,an starts a job.Making,an spending her own money.She may see where its more important to buy things for the children.Than to pay big phone bills from jail.She is young,someone will come along,an give her long needed attention.She will slowly,but surly,drift away from him.Her good sence will start taking over,an she will remember all the wrong he has done,to her,an these children. While he was out drugging,an thieving- she was home,an trying to get schooling to better herself.Tommy will get time for the B&Es,as well as the drug T. so he will be gone a while.Any one who can sneak into someones home,or shed,at night,could slip in an take a child.Sneaky!!! underhanded–selfish–young man!!
Jason, thank you for straightening that out, we have enough confusion without adding that to the mix. lol.
Jan 57, I agree about Lindsey.
She seems so young and sweet. She did go to nursing school and can’t get a job in Putnam Co because of the “Croslin name” per Hank Sr. in the jailhouse tapes. That’s sad.
I wish her all the best in a bright new future.
Jan57, I hope you are right that Lindsey will wake up and smell the coffee. IT’s burning!!! should have been smelled long ago. But I think she needs help. I hope someone steps in for her and gets her and the kids some counseling and assistance and helps her to learn how to put her children and herself first.
Wow; how sad this entire family is. I hope Lindsey moves on and away from the loser Croslin family. I can’t believe their wonderful husband/father talked about eating chicken while she said she and Austin were hungry with little to eat. What a bunch of sad, pathetic losers. She should apply for welfare to feed her kids and kick him and his lousy family to the curb for good.
Right on, Treece. Putting herself and her children first is the best thing she can do for everyone, including Tommy.
Karon Cox said,in February 15th, 2010 at 10:49 pm Don’t forget the :itsamysterytome/Geraldo/Crystal Sheffield interview with Jr.
If someone will get a link for this one for the people who haven’t heard Jr.’s interview. By watching this, we should be able to understand why he can’t tell LE anymore about that night. Some of this could be shyness, however.
Thanks for helping me.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m3d1-Little-brother-of-Haleigh-Cummings-now-says-black-man-dressed-in-black-took-her
This is the only one I could find, Karon. I think it’s the same thing you’re wanting posted.
Someone mentioned LE could have been at Tommy’s right before the 911 call due to a car accident that weekend. Could be, though it would be odd they would be checking on a weekend car accident at 3 am the following Tuesday.
cathartic, I totally agree, that was no time to be at any residence except for an emergency.
Treece:
You are right. They wouldn’t have been there at that time of the morning, unless something was going on. I remember one neighbor saying she heard a woman’s raised voice coming from Ron’s at about 2:30a.m. One of the neighbors could have reported that, and they may have been cruising the neighborhood.
FystyAngel said,
in February 15th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
OMG, It’s bad enough that she brings the child into the jail to see “daddy” but on top of it, that selfish POS has the nerve to say that he KNOWS the boys needs beds, but DON’T SPEND THE MONEY IN CASE I CAN GET OUT! I thought he was a POS before but I’ll tell you, the BEST thing that can happen for Lindsey (and the boys), would be for him to go to prison. Maybe she will smarten up in the meantime, while he’s away. Find herself a REAL man!
These video’s are like a horrible train wreck. Can’t stop watching but make you sick to see. UGH!
I’d like to know WHAT it is that Lindsey thinks is so “unfair”? I hope she realizes that she deserves better than this POS. She is so co-dependent that’s it’s hard to watch her. How very sad.
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I agree fysty. Doesn’t Tommy realize he has a no bond and he’s not getting out any time soon and it doesnt matter anyway,the welfare of his wife and kids should come first before him bonding out of jail.
I hope her family can help her “get over” him and Im glad they said the Croslins weren’t welcome up to visity her.
KeeP ir real:
Try this link to see Jr.’s intervies:
http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/03/27
I listened to the 911 recording and here’s my take. I have a hard time hearing words so this is what I’ve picked up from the tones.
1. Ronald is WAY too calm.
From experience of my own child running off in a crowd, sheer terror and panic ensues. There is absolutely no way to calm down or mask that pure terror of the possibility of never seeing your child again. Period.
2. Misty is all about crocodile tears. She’s learned over the years that if she can produce tears, she gets what she wants and/or gets out of “hot water”.
Keep it real:
Thanks. we got both of them now. To hear Jr.’s interview, click on to Ronald Cummings responds to abuse allegations by Crystal Sheffield.
To be fair to Misty and Tommy, one of the psychologists on NG said, “Look at the way misty keeps scratching and rubbing at her face. She said all druggies coming off of drugs do that. She said one of the reason they are acting like they are is that they are coming off of the drugs. She said they are craving sweets, for one thing, because they are coming off of drugs.”
I cam only hope they act some better than they are now, if and when, they are sober.
I was just watching NG, and Tommy said to Timmy, “It’s just all this Haleigh Sh–.” Then he said, “Look how long I did stuff before, and they never did nothing to me.” I thought, won’t that sound good when played before a jury? Have mercy!!!
I think it a good possibility their body language will change once they are sober.
I think court appearances are scheduled for this week, at least for Misty. Does anyone know when?
After doing my research on Florida Police. I am floored by what I have found. Everything from groping lactating woman, stealing hundreds of Kilo’s of drugs, murder, rape, to making pay offs for sexual favors, and everything in between. I found something odd about Putnam LE the senior officers seem to be all male, and all white, am I seeing that right? I am seriously considering the issue is the Police. I’m just trying to get a mental pic of what they are like, present one is no where near good.
Cathartic;
Cobra said he used some real good equipment and brought the background out on that whole 9-1-1 tape, and he said there were all kinds of things going on in the background of that tape. He said they were rushing around slamming doors, pushing buttons, and alot more was said in that background. I don’t know if LE asked Cobra to keep quiet about it, but he seemed a little reluctant to talk about it.
The volume on my computer does not go high enough for me to really hear well on the video. I heard more than on the original release, but could not really make out much of what Misty was saying.
As for the video of the interview with Jr., he didn’t say much. Just shook his head or nodded a couple times. He looked totally disinterested, which is normal for a boy his age. He may have seen something but is unaware of what he was seeing. I doubt anything useful to the investigation has or will come from Jr. I hope they don’t try to involve him in any way ever again.
and there it goes posting me twice again!
Karon, is Cobra’s amplified tape available anywhere to listen to?
cathartic:
I don’t think so. Lawshrink said she might have a friend that would be able to enhance the background on the 9-1-1 tape, but I haven’t heard if she ever had it done. I would really like to hear it. Just what we can hear makes you look at things differently.
Cathartic:
I have been having trouble with having to wait a long time for it to post. If I tap it again, I get a double post.
Having the same problems posting. I thought it lost one, so I retyped, then when I posted that they both showed up. Well, at least I know it’s not my computer going weird on me.
I would like to hear an amplified background version of the entire 911 call. Even the original version had lots of background noise; it would be helpful, I think, to be able to determine what those noises might be.
The last part of the 911 tape played on Geraldo’s video, was Ron saying I didn’t have anything to do with this. Then Misty’s voice comes on, but it is on another interview that I had heard her give.
When alot of people are posting at once, it takes longer to go thru.
cathartic:
The main reason I put the Jr. interview on there was because I wanted people to see that he wasn’t mature enough to give much information. Everybody kept saying, have they talked to Jr.?
I know that’s why you put it on. He’s practically a baby. Even if he saw or heard something he is too young to comprehend what it was. He seems not much of a talker; if he was one of those kids that never stops talking he might say something useful even though he would not be aware of its importance. But what I saw of him on that video, he’s a baby and should not be asked specific questions about that night. If he says something on his own at some point, fine. But he should not be asked.
cathartic:
I wonder if he will even remember his sister, really? It is sad and, now, his dad’s locked up for years.
What I heard Ron say was…”We didn’t have anything to do with this….well, F@Ck! I didn’t have anything to do with this….”
Not me but maybe her….already pointing the finger at Misty…
I did hear GGMA Sykes say that “No way,, Crystal’s not involved”
Wonder what changed their minds…..
“Misty claims RSO cousin from TN molested her at 13….LE went to Misty to confirm”
Going to get some sleep now…see you all tomorrow…
I do believe there is a problem regarding Ron’s statement as to his work schedule,and just maybe when PDM learned,possibly they informed LE of the situation.You know the old saying:Give them enough rope and they’ll hang themselves,possibly that’s what LE is doing,and the noose is getting tighter.I’m thinking LE has a lot of info that they are keeping very quiet until they can dot all the I’s and cross the T’s.They can’t afford not even one slip.We all will be surprised when this all comes together,because I believe other arrests are coming,possibly for knowing and with holding evidence(after the fact of course)When it’s all said and done;Haleigh will get justice.I truly do believe this will come to pass soon.
I am thinking both LE and FBI used high tech devices to pick up every sound as well as every statement made in the back ground.They knew from the very beginning,but they needed hard evidence.I don’t think they wanted to chance circumstantial evidence.They may possibly have some solid evidence now. We’ll see.
When Tommy told police that Ron called him to go check on Misty that night(which Ron denies)He said she was not home..no one answered the door. Did Tommys wife say he left, and how long gone? Could Misty be drugged out,asleep and his banging on the door awoke up Haleigh, she opened the door thinking it was daddy? Tommy took advantage of the situation, took the child off with him? (he later got rid of his truck) As he was the only person claiming to be there later that night.Is he a child molester???? MY eyes are on him..and Misty suspects him ..but cant bring her self to say it. Ok here it is..Tommy and Misty knows what happen to Haliegh..No forced entry, no reason to hold her for ransom, Ron is to poor for that, Hold her for drug money they spent instead of giving it to the supplier. but then agin, my eyes is on Tommy, and why leave the back door propped open..looks like a set up to look like some one stole her…It is an inside job. Sometimes people hurt other people’s children to get even with them…the whole family has court dates for this and that,stealing,drugs, etc..Sounds like this family is on the run when it gets too hot for them..I am glad i got to see the real misty,immature,spoiled by her family,run the streets,no future,school drop out, no intentions of any way to better herself..and what was Ron thinking when he left his child with a known immmature drug user.? Should not he be charged with child endangerment? I say, if you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen, Misty..Kiss your own Arse (I) goodby.. baby sistar…
Yeah, spend the tax money on ME. Too bad if my kids need beds, or even food for that matter! UGH!!!! These people should not be allowed to breed.
Some of YOU may not understand it, but I think it was good for Austin to get to see his dad. Yes, they need to educate their children, and make sure they understand that it is not good to do things to get ones self in prison. That this hurts people, and so on and so forth. Tommy and Lindsey seem to be the only ones smart enough to not say too much over the phone.
Now that I reread what I wrote I want to add something else. It does make you wonder why Tommy and Lindsey seem to be the only ones who are not so obvious. Like they have something to hide. Ron and Misty blab away, possibly because they know they aren’t to blame. Just a thought.
“After doing my research on Florida Police. I am floored by what I have found. Everything from groping lactating woman, stealing hundreds of Kilo’s of drugs, murder, rape, to making pay offs for sexual favors, and everything in between. I found something odd about Putnam LE the senior officers seem to be all male, and all white, am I seeing that right? I am seriously considering the issue is the Police. I’m just trying to get a mental pic of what they are like, present one is no where near good.”
DustyRose,
After doing my research on Internet Bloggers wanting to be investigators, I am floored by what I have found. Everything from over-weight, goofy, non-educated, jobless, conspiracy theorists, who sit around a computer screen and fantasize about what their life could be if they weren’t sitting behind that computer screen bashing everything that goes on. I found something odd about your post; you spew non-sense and are real far from reality. Am I seeing that right? I am seriously considering the issue with the case is bloggers like you who offer nothing to the investigation. I’m just trying to get a mental pic of what these bloggers are like; present one is no where near good.
How ridiculous this sounds, HUH. Obviously most of the people blogging are good people who just want to see this little girl found, and do it in a positive way, offering their true opinion of what they thing, rather than bashing the police at every turn. Yes there are bad cops everywhere, not just Florida. Please stop spewing inaccuracies and innuendos.
Oh by the way, the Croslin’s caused their own problems. The police didn’t make them do or say anything that you have seen in the past 12 months. LE didn’t make Lindsey take the little guy in to see his sorry butt dad sitting behind bars. Please stop trying to make excuses for this family of disaster.
Did anyone catch the statement when Tommy said something about things Misty is saying….that what Misty is saying is not true? Is Misty talking?
Hi, Romewi! It’s certainly possible that M is talking but about what? We know she told LE that T had broken into MHs and stolen stuff that LE then found in T’s MH. Maybe it’s just that. Or maybe she’s implicating him more in the drug deals. Long ago she pointed her finger at T and Joe as possible suspects in Haleigh’s disappearance.
The other possibility is that LE is letting T think M is saying more bad things about him than she really is. You know, turning one against the other. IDK.
T’s a fool, though. (Not news). It appears he does not understand what “revoked” means (with the “0” beside it)on at least one charge. And still thinks he’ll be able to bail out.
Doesn’t he have a lawyer to explain simple things like that to him?
Just thought of something else. Maybe T thinks he’s going to be able to bail out because he’s planning on trading another juicy tidbit of info like he did before?? (That he’d gone to R & M’s MH that night.) LE reduced his bail enough then that he could get out.
Goodness! Lindsay Leave why you can and get a better life- Run from the Drama- drama wound up in sick emotions. I hope they all get what they deserve and more. some of these people ae hopeless and will never have nothin or be nothin. Money money money- what about Haleigh
I think Lindsay is an only child or the only girl. Lindsay has been with Tommy Croslin for a very long time. She lived with his family – all of them.
She is a Croslin.
She will not divorce Tommy. She will do as she is told. But, she may cash the tax return – because she ”had too, the babies are hungry!”. She is Tommy’s wife and the mother of his three children. She shares some of the same characteristics as Lisa Croslin – also with her husband, Hank Sr., since she was 14. But, I think Lindsay is smarter – wants more from life… but she also wants whatever it is that Tommy ‘gives’ her(?). I am perplexed… but in the end Lindsay is a Croslin.
Lindsay said in an interview that she loved what the Croslin’s represented – ”family” and ”they would do anything for the family”.
Hi, Sara Jane! You just expressed a big fear of mine. That now L is a real Croslin. But I’m hoping that now that she knows what KIND of a family this is – criminal bunch of liars – that she MIGHT get up the courage to break from them for the sake of her children. But we all know how hard that is. Truly break from the father of your three children? He’d have to be sentenced to a really long time in jail before she’d do that, I think. Then he’d probably tell her to save money for his appeal or for when he gets out early or on parole.
(insert unprintable words for TC)
Sara Jane – I agree. I don’t think Lindsay is going anywhere. It’s that “they would do anything for the family” thing that is possibly keeping any secrets from getting out. LE really has no other choice but to try and break that bond by turning them against each other. I do not feel that Misty has that sort of bond with Ron.
m2c♥ re your February 16th, 2010 at 10:53 am, You just about “took the words out of my mouth!”
Hi, alethea! It’s just too sad, isn’t it?
I think originally L probably had a “dream” of family life that she thought she saw in the Croslins. But that dream was fiction. The reality is a nightmare.
Another lesson in either not marrying too young or before you know a whole LOT about the guy and his family. And also about maybe waiting a few more years to have children and between children. But what am I saying? I don’t really know how to prevent this kind of thing and I sure don’t know a “cure” for it once it’s happened.
Let’s pray Lindsey sees the light. If “don’t spend the tax return on the kids” isn’t a big enough wake up call, nothing is. Her body language has changed and the rolling of the eyes is very telling. Even her comments of not being cut out for this are very telling. I think LE is wrong when they say Misty is the key….I think perhaps Lindsey is the key and time will tell.
I have never seen a more selfish, self indulgent, spoiled, deceitful bunch of people in all my life as I’ve seen since these freaks all got put in jail. All of them are self-consumed with THEIR needs. Doesn’t matter what anyone else is going through, how they are struggling, etc. They all want money for food, phone cards, bail, bonds, socks and underwear and they want it NOW!
LP, if you are reading this….you want to help someone…HELP LINDSEY get away from this family and you MIGHT just get the lead you need to solve this case!
JB – I agree. Except I’m concerned that if LP helps L she might save that tax check for T. In other words, take LPs help but never leave T. It depends on how much of a Croslin she’s become.
What you said about L possibly having the lead needed to solve the case, that may well be true. Very interesting.
Does that mean if she knows it then T knows it? Or that T is responsible? Or that L and T are protecting M? IF they’re protecting M, I bet those family “ties” break real fast once T knows he may do a LOT of time in jail. Right now he thinks LE is going to give him breaks like they did before. I think he’s in for a very rude awakening about that.
Geez he sure expects a lot of this poor girl & his kids. They need to live!
In my opinion she wont leave unless he gets alot of jail time. She is still hoping that he will get off the drugs and act right.(denial)
Almost all the people are in denial in one way or another. Misty is finally waking up to the fact that Ron used her the whole time and she even has that stupid tatoo to remind her. I have a hard time believing Ron kept her around to get info now, she was easy to munipulate for him not to have gotten info out of her.
She claims that they got together after he broke up with the girlfriend and she was sleeping with him almost everyday. Then he got her to get the tatoo, and in his audio with TN he is claiming to have been the reason she is in jail. Seems very delussional in his thinkking to me and wasnt it just a week ago that TN said Misty drug his butt into this?
This is why no one can find Haleigh, these people all of them are still trying to cover their own a@@es. jmo
They all depend too much on Timmy’s Tax refund too!
OMG!!!!WHAT A SELFISH SAC O CRAP!!!!..DON’T GET THE BOYS NO BEDS,YA POP WILL HELP U OUT.OMG TOMMY IS SORRRRRY.
Have any of you seen all the tapes? I have and if you think Tommy is selfish wait till you see Misty. jmo
Just had a thought when I started thinking about some of the items in the home Towels,soap, sponges, dish soap. Those are things a woman would take are wee sure that Misty wasnt involved with the robbery and rolled on Tommy to save herself? Just a thought.jmo
And apparently no one has told him Misty told the cops it was him, why hasnt Lindsy, Lisa, or Hank told him?jmo
M2C – well, either Tommy told LE that he went to the MH that night just to get a “get out of jail free card” or he really did and knows more than he is saying. His selfishness is very evident so it could be he said it just to appease LE….especially since Ron denies calling him and asking him to do it. OR, it could be there is something to it….Misty wasn’t there and he left, Misty wasn’t there but the kids were and he crept in and found them – did something with Haleigh to get back at Ron…..or found Haleigh dead from an overdose, found Misty and they covered it up together…..a lot of different scenarios but Lindsey knows the truth. She would know whether he left, how long he was gone….who used the van, etc. She is covering…buy why? She has to be covering for Tommy which tells me Tommy WAS there that night and something happened….was creepy cousin Joe with Tommy….did HE do something to Haleigh and they disposed of her? Did Misty return home and they threatened her (i.e. gun to her mouth)? To me it really looks like someone in the family is responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance….just can’t tell who at this point….but I DO feel Lindsey knows. And, if she can break away from Tommy, the truth will be told.
M2C, you are probably right about LP getting involved to help Lindsey. She’d probably use the money to help Tommy instead of making a clean break. I think the best shot we have of Lindsey making a break and coming clean with what she knows is for her to continue to go see Tommy and hear out of his own mouth how selfish he is. When she and the kids get hungry enough and he is still fussing about bond money, money for food and the phone card…maybe, JUST maybe she’ll get fed up and say ENOUGH…MY KIDS COME FIRST!
Tobias – true about the dishsoap stuff….unless the women in the house were fussing because they needed these things so he “brought them a present” by robbing neighbors. BUT, it is a real possibility Misty was involved too! Or even Lisa! She had no problem forging checks….why would she have a problem with stealing dishsoap? LOL With so many criminals in one family…hard to tell which one did which crime? TRULY sad!
JB, But why hasnt one of them told Tommy that Misty rolled on him about the robbery? Are they worried he will do the same and tell about her involvement in the Haleigh case? jmo
JB, I think you are right. And if/when the gavel comes down on TC for double-digit years in prison, a light bulb may go on over Lindsey’s head. She really IS on her own!
It was public knowledge that M told LE about T sneaking into other people’s houses and stealing the last time T was in jail. And he bailed out since then (before being arrested again this time). He HAS to know about that already.
I may have the timing on that wrong, but either way, it was public knowledge that M told LE which resulted in LE on Lindsey’s doorstep asking to search the MH which is when they found stolen stuff (but not a stolen gun).
T has to know M did that.
He was in jail for the drugs when Misty told LE about the robberies. jmo
I thought Tommy knew Misty ratted him out…didn’t someone tell him that…or am I just dreaming that!? If he is responsible for Haleigh, he should be getting nervous if Misty knows about it…as she’s already ratted him out once. It could be Tommy (and possibly cousin Joe) did something before Misty returned and she doesn’t know about it…but that would contradict her statement about a gun in the mouth threat. It is possible she left the kids alone, came home and found Joe and Tommy in the house…..they threaten her…tell her she’ll be in trouble for leaving the kids alone so they all cover for each other. What a mess!
Tobias…I would think at least LE has told him Misty ratted him out…they are using EVERYTHING they can to drive a wedge between all the players so they’ll turn on each other. I’m sure he knows.
Not unless he got a paper when it was reported and I have a feeling he doesnt know. He says that LE cant blame him for it because there were others in the MH that could have done it.
He never says why would Misty lie like that or that he is mad at her for doing it.jmo
Tobias….but it has been all over NG…and they ALL seem to know what is said on NG’s show. I truly believe Tommy knows Misty ratted him out for the robberies.
Does anyone remember if LE said that Misty had called Tommy that night (per her cell phone records)? Could it be that MISTY is the one that called Tommy to the trailer instead of Ron asking him to go? Could it be Misty drugged the kids so she could go party…turned off her phone to avoid Ron…came back, found Haleigh dead…called Tommy to help her cover it up….they used the van….no more Haleigh….They won’t rat each other out because they’ll both be in trouble with LE AND Ron. Tommy isn’t worried about Misty blabbing about the Haleigh thing because he just helped her and wasn’t actually responsible for her death. Lindsey would know that Tommy left, used the van, etc., the night Haleigh disappeared….she knows the truth.
What if Misty drugs the kids so they’ll sleep, she turns her phone off to avoid Ron and then leaves the MH for a party….she returns to find Haleigh dead, calls Tommy…he (and perhaps cousin Joe) come over and help get rid of Haleigh’s body to save Misty’s a$$….Tommy isn’t afraid of Misty squealing on him because he wasn’t responsible for her death…just helped cover it up….Misty isn’t afraid of Tommy squealing because he helped get rid of the body and is afraid of Ron….already facing enough jail time…won’t do anything to add time. Lindsey would know when/if Tommy left that night, whether the van was used, whether cousin Joe went too….she knows the truth and if this is indeed what happened, SHE is the weak link that LE should target. Neither Misty or Tommy are going to talk….they have TOO much to lose and NOTHING to gain by talking as they are both guilty.
JB, the phone call was made from Ron and Ron said he called just to see if Misty had gone there with the kids, and that he didnt ask Tommy to go to the MH.JMO
Sorry…didn’t know my prior comment posted…it disappeared so I retyped it. Basically the same info twice….sorry. 😳
Tobias…but was there ever anything said about whether Misty called Tommy that night?
JB I can only give you the facts. LE stated they know it was Ron who called Tommy. The call was made at 9:00pm and Tommy was to be at the home between 9:30pm and 9:45pm. They never released if Tommy ever returned A call back to Ron. Le never released any calls Misty made. They said they could not ping her phone. Leaving us to believe her phone was turned off.
Okay, so Tommy gets the call from Ron…decides on his own to go over to Ron’s MH….my scenario still works…he finds the kids alone, perhaps Haleigh dead….goes and finds Misty…they cover up the death…..no fear from either of the that the other will rat them out because they are BOTH in deep.
Is it me or does Misty have a real problem being alone? She acts like its torture not to have someone around her. She may have to get used to it or risk getting her butt kicked royally in general population. Myself I would be real happy to be alone if I were her. jmo
lfj…thanks, that helps. So, like I said…Tommy gets curious on his own and goes to the MH…but what does he find? Was it really as simple as he knocked on the door and no one answered so he left? This is a known burglar. If he thought no one was home he probably would have made himself right at home and had a look around to see if there was anything (drugs) of value he wanted for himself. He could have found Haleigh dead then….drugged so Misty could go party.
Tobias….yes, Misty has major co-dependency issues. That made it REALLY easy for Ron to use her. She does have an issue with being alone and not being taken care of. She is still very much a child.
JB @ 12:30 – I think that’s a good theory.
I would go for that one before thinking that T found Haleigh dead and went to get M. I think he’d just slink off into the night and act like he’d never been there.
For some reason LE wants Ron too. They could have busted Tommy and Misty also Db early on why did they wait for Ron to get involved?
In the DB phone call someone said LE told her to stay out of it, why didnt they tell Ron?
And why is he seperated from the rest? jmo
JB that is a possible theory. You know if Tommy did go in and Haleigh had awaken all he had to do was tell her that her dad had called him because he was worried because he could not reach Misty. If Tommy is involved I believe he was asked to help with something. I do not rule out cousin Joe though.
M2C – yeah, you’re right…Tommy would just slink off….but that might explain why he didn’t originally tell LE he went there. Maybe he DID find Haleigh dead….and got the heck out of dodge without taking anything. Then Misty gets back, calls him in a panic and he goes back (perhaps with cousin Joe) to help cover up the death using the van to dispose of her. Came up with the plan for the back door (staging the scene) and told her to wait until Ron gets home and then call 911 to buy them time to hide the body….would explain Misty’s lack of anxiety in the 911 call (which is the OPPOSITE of how she sounded in the 911 when she got roughed up trying to buy/sell drugs with her gf’s.
JB the only thing that throws me off on your scenario is how Ron falls into all of this. If he suspected Misty at all he wouldn’t be buying drugs with her and hanging out with her. I think he is some how in on it. My mind goes back to the senario that something happened before he went to work.
I don’t think Tommy is capable of killing a child. He very obviously loves his children. He is an emotional person. I believe someone who could go through with such an evil act as killing or raping a child would be very cold and callous.
Is it not possible that some kidnapper really did come into their home and kidnap Haleigh? They just caught the guy, who possibly killed Somer. He was living an hour away from where I live. Scary. This guy apparently has pornography of other children as well. Makes me sick!
Usually druggies are just druggies. Like Tommy said, “I’m not a dealer. I just wanted to get high.” It could have been an accidental death, but I don’t think anything was done purposely by anyone in the family or close to the family. We’ll see. Still praying for truth and justice, and for Haleigh to be okay.
shockwave – that is why with my theory it was an accident – Misty drugged the kids so they would sleep so she could leave and go party….Tommy helps her cover it up and get rid of the body, helps her stage the scene with the back door….maybe they told Ron that Haleigh got into his stash of drugs and OD’d….so he is covering too thinking she died because of him and he doesn’t know that Misty actually GAVE Haleigh the drugs intentionally….it could be a twisted mess of lies and Ron doesn’t know the WHOLE truth but knows Haleigh is dead….
shockwave…there doesn’t have to be a rape or molestation involved….just a drug OD that everyone is covering up. Maybe they blamed Ron and told him she got into his drugs so he is keeping the secret too so he won’t get blamed. Misty could even have told Tommy that is what happened and he doesn’t know Misty actually drugged her….or that could be the truth but I don’t see Haleigh taking the drugs intentionally herself…kids hate to take pills. Maybe Misty crushed some up and put it in the kids’ drinks or dinner….Haleigh got the mother load and it killed her!
I’m with you on all of it but Ron’s part. He would have been too upset to think about covering things up. He would have lied or blamed it on someone else. Especially now why wouldn’t he come forward for a reduced sentance?
Karon Cox said,
in February 16th, 2010 at 3:02 am
The last part of the 911 tape played on Geraldo’s video, was Ron saying I didn’t have anything to do with this. Then Misty’s voice comes on, but it is on another interview that I had heard her give.
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I thought so too. I knew I had heard them both say that or something similar. I think the tapes are crossed
Here’s some info from the police report about the burglary along with the link to the report.
http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Tommy-Croslin-burglary-report-1-2010-577-1.pdf
“On Jan 20 . . . Misty told Det. Merchant that her brother Tommy had several items in their residence that had been stolen in a recent burglary…”
AND
(On Jan 21) “When detectives spoke with Lindsy. . . she said that she had located items at her residence that did not belong to anyone at the household and she believed her husband had stolen the items.”
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So it looks like Lindsy’s the one who specifically fingered T (bolstering M’s info)
Also, this is from an interview AH had with LC very recently along with a link to the article.
AH interview with LC.
“(Tommy’s) wife Lindsay tells me that he’s “an addict, not a criminal. He’s sick, he’s sick.
The worst he’s ever done is smoke weed until he got hooked on Roxydocondone.”
AND
“Lindsay, says she’s tried to get him into a rehab program, “but the cheapest one costs $8,700 a month and we don’t have it.”
http://www.artharris.com/2010/01/28/exclusive-misty-no-drug-dealer-tommy-an-addict-not-a-criminal-croslin-family/
JB I really like the theories you are brain storming. They really have some validity to them.
Romewi now that it was released on Nancy Grace that Ron was at home when Haleigh arrived home it could be a possibility something happened. Sometimes an injury can occur and the fatality is not sudden, but later.
Tobias @ 12:44 –
You said, “In the DB phone call someone said LE told her to stay out of it, why didnt they tell Ron?”
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First, we don’t know what LE may or may not have told R at any point in time. And second, I got the impression that LE probably told DB to “stay out of it” long ago when it came out that she was trying to be-friend Misty to find out things. I’m sure LE did not appreciate her screwing around in the case like that.
So LE may have spoken to DB LONG ago – way before the drug bust/sting plan.
LE must have wanted them all for a reason. Donna and Misty were the first ones to sell on Jan. 8, 2010. Then from other incident reports 1-13 Misty , Ron and Hope. 1-14 Misty , Ron and Hope 1-14 Misty and Ron 1-18 Misty and Kelly I havent found the report or date for the Tommy and Misty does anyone know it? jmo
The thing I am getting at is that LE could have just arrested Misty and Donna on the 8th of Jan. but they wanted all of them for some reason maybe? jmo
Yes, Tobias. I think you make a good point.
And where is this Kelly in the one incident report? Was she ever arrested?jmo
You know Tobias I am not sure. We had heard there was a warrant for her, but nothing about her was ever bought up again.
I wonder why we never hear anything about Hope Sykes either?
Misty reported being sexually molested and the Police did not follow it through by doing an investigation and or charging the person? AM I HEARING THAT CORRECTLY???????
Whether she agrees or not it is their obligation under law. Do these guys not get it that is not about her a molester is a predator and will strike again,unbelievable. Their on going favoring of woman beaters and dealing with domestic violence offenders is wrong on every level. It’s this department IMO the barrier is this department. The key is not Misty the key is to get this department off the case. Have fresh minds and eyes on it starting from the beginning.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
You know Tobias I was thinking why LE did not redact Ron saying he was working with LE to get Misty to talk. I think it was apart of their strategy to get Misty angry enough that she would open up and talk. Whether what Ron said was true or not. You know like before in private he says one thing, but in public he defends her.
I think it might be helpful knowing how the arrests went down.
1. Who was together/location,
2. Were they together all day?
3. Situation/circumstance of their last contact with each-other.
I wonder what he was telling Misty the whole time when he was on Nancy telling everyone how he was trying to get info out of her. And how can he explain the reports that he made about her knowing something? Misty I believe you but I am telling others that I dont, for what reason? jmo
In the videos of Tommy, Misty and Ron they all say they were at the grocery store. All got arrested together except Donna and Hope. jmo
Maybe Ron is working with LE. I just think it would be hard for him to hold is temper in if he thinks he knows who hurt his little girl. And why marry Misty?? He could have told her they would get married as soon as Haleigh was found.
Well, the sting was supposedly planned for at least a month before the arrests so who knows what LE heard or decided along the way (about R or any of them). I think whether LE intended to wait for an opportunity to grab all five or it just luckily happened for them and they jumped on it we don’t know.
Tobias I wondered the same thing. I could not figure out why Misty did not up and leave when she found out about all of that.
Beautiful Adams Cent. The way I remember reading it in the Palatka Daily News was that LE first took down Ron and Misty. Warrants had been issued for DB, Hope and Tommy and they were all picked up later. They caught Tommy at the same place called Spinners as they did Ron and Misty. Just different times.
Not that any of these people are very smart but I think Ron has the upper edge on intelligence. I don’t think he could be fool to easily.
Also, were all 300 pills bought/sold the day of the arrests or were they the total of the ones sold on all those dates? If the latter, then LE may have been waiting for the amount of drugs to make it worth arresting them – and justifying such high bond amounts.
Face expressions tell the whole story in this tape with Tommy and Lindsey. I do not understand women sometimes and their needs to be dependent upon these deadbeat men. Lindsey clean up your act your smart and wise and going to school to better yourself do you need Tommy? Do you need the drama that family brings to your life? The stress of worrying how your going to feed your kids or buy them beds cause your deadbeat husband thinks he might be able to get bailed out when he has no bail (rolls eyes myself on that one), do you really need that? I totally understand some women are addicted to these type of men and it’s scary the percentage of women that hang on to these deadbeats and do not realize their own self worth before the worth of a man or for that matter anyone else involved in their lives that has to steal to get their next high. It seems the Croslin’s toss the word LOVE around a lot but the last time i checked Love did not mean:
L-lying and stealing for your own personal gain
O-obstruction of justice by with holding information
V-vengeful towards another family member behind their back.
E-entering and stealing from others for your own gain.
Love means commitment to do what is right by your family and to take care of them in a manner that is legal and sane. I know the dictionary may state that mushy feeling you get for someone but their is more to Love than just adoring someone!
Grow up Tommy and let your wife take of YOUR children you LOVE with the tax money, putting food, clothes, roof over their head should be your main concerns NOT how your going to get bailed out when YOU have a 0 BOND to start with!
Nice post Mandy!I thought it was funny how many times Tommy said the L word to everyone. Especially his father who he got into a fight with not long ago and was put in jail because of it.
But they had Donna and Misty for 100 or more on the 8th of Jan. that was the biggest sell day. If you are under the impression that Ron was with LE in the drug bust than he didnt need to get busted. jmo
Also I guess all our questions about the drug arrests and why LE conducted the sting the way they did should be addressed to the DIFFERENT branch of LE that was responsible for it. NOT the part of LE that is investigating Haleigh’s disappearance. Because these are entirely SEPARATE investigations according to LE (oh sure).
IF Ron is working with LE then it may have been very important to get him arrested and behind bars at the same time as M.
And if he wasn’t working with LE, then obviously LE knew more people were involved and/or may have specifically targeted R and T.
I always wondered why John Merchant was named on this case. He is/or was a detective in the drug division.jmo
m2c i believe you are correct on your 1:58pm post.
I too disagree with any theories that Tommy Croslin killed Haleigh… he is a liar, a thief, a druggie, a drug dealer (pot and pills)…
But, he is a father with little children. I really do not see him as intentionally killing a child.
I am sorry m2c it was your 1:48pm post. Now it probably makes more sense.
Mandy that was an awesome post! So true.
M2c is right again these are two separate cases.
Tobias I like how you question each detail it makes one think.
You would not believe what a drug addict would do for the next fix. This guy isnt even worried about what his kids are gonna eat.
I listened to the original tape Lindsy asks what he has been eating and he says chicken tonight and he asks if they are eating and she says from what there is which isnt much. And he never misses a beat and tells her not to be spendin that tax money. geeeezzz. jmo
Tobias, Please see my 1:05 pm post. It’s about Det Merchant talking to M the very day of the arrests (I believe – Jan 20).
I once saw a story on one of the documentary-type crime show about a 4-year-old girl who was abused. Parents called it discipline, but it often went above and beyond normal discipline.
The girl was “disciplined” about mid-afternoon one day. She took a beating but she did not go unconscious and even ate her dinner that evening (though at one point she said to her brother, “I don’t want to eat, my stomach hurts.”) She went to bed that night and died in her sleep. Her death was due to internal bleeding.
It is possible Haleigh was disciplined that day, was able to continue walking around and talking, riding her bike, etc. Probably even ate dinner that evening. But when she went to sleep, she died.
However, there is nothing yet that proves to me that it could not have been an abduction by someone outside the family. Possibly a cover up was necessary by the family to protect themselves from something they don’t want LE to know about that was going on in that home.
I think they all have something on each other on some level. Even if that something has nothing to do with Haleigh, it is something serious that they don’t want known.
The entire clan is acting in ways that shout cover-up. Not necessarily cover-up about Haleigh, but cover-up about something. Unfortunately, this behavior is not helpful at all in finding Haleigh. So, even if it was stranger abduction, the family is responsible for this case not moving forward as quickly as it could have. Even if none of them had anything to do with Haleigh going missing, their not cooperating with investigators makes me wonder WHAT was going on in their lives that they have to cover up to the point of inhibiting a search for their missing child.
Tobias, part of the reason T isn’t so worried about his kids (I think) is that he assumes that L will hit up her grandpa for the money for that as well as all his family’s other needs. So she’ll be able to hold on to the tax money for T IF she lies to her grandfather about getting that money. And that’s what T stupidly told L to do on the videotaped phone call. I sure hope L’s grandfather heard that AND that L has too much honesty left to do it.
Yes Tobias Tommy is all about me me me. I see him helping after the fact not causing it. I believe whatever happened was an accident not intentional.
cathartic: Interesting that you mention that. Because one thing that has stuck in my mind since nearly the beginning of this was something that M said in one of her many versions of what happened that day. It was something like…”the kids were playing outside. Haleigh was doing wheelies and she was fine then.”
The “fine THEN” is what stuck with me. I thought as opposed to what? She was not “Fine” later? I would not call “missing” fine or not fine. That word – to me – implies how she is in a physical/health way. So she certainly could have suffered an injury and succombed later.
Me too, but if he was robbing the MH he could have accidently smotherred Haleigh with a hand over her mouth to quiet her so no one would wake up. Remember she has asthma. jmo
If Ron was not in the picture, JB’s – along with MC2 & Tobias’ collective brainstorming scenario seems the most plausible. But as Romewi said, what about Ron? I don’t understand why he behaved the way he did – coaching Misty, marrying Misty, fighting with Croslins, putting rat in mailbox… Has it been confirmed that it was Ron that put the rat in the mailbox? That story about him doing it to test Misty’s lying abilities sounds nuts. The more I read, the more I really pray that Lindsay gets her head together and gets those kids as far away as possible.
tobias, I know T is dumb. But if Haleigh caught T in the MH all he had to do was explain to her or even wake up M and say “R” was worried about you so I came to check on you. He didn’t have to kill anyone. He could even have explained away Joe’s presence if he was there.
M2C do you mean that she was possibly hurt earlier and was fine still while riding the bike? There have been cases of trama to the head and other things that dont show up immediately thats why I ASKED. JMO
Cathartic well spoken and very well could of happened that way. I wonder what else could it be? Considering everything that has come out now with the drug habits and sex accounts. What could be more worse than we have already found out? It could be Haleighhad a concussion or an injury that later became a fatality.
Okay, let’s try this again and see if everything fits…..Misty doesn’t want to watch the kids that night….not because she was too hungover…but because she had plans…after all, no one that saw her that day says she was hungover…..she turns her phone off to avoid Ron…she smashes up some pills and puts it in the kids dinner so they will sleep (grandma says Haleigh doesn’t like to take pills so hiding it in food might be the only way to get them down her and they wouldn’t know it either)…..Misty puts them to bed and goes out….Haleigh OD’s and dies…..Misty comes home, finds Haleigh dead, calls Tommy…he comes over to help deal with the death….uses the van to dispose of Haleigh (river? Alligators do the rest)….Misty is freaking because she knows Ron will kill her…Tommy tells Misty to tell Ron it is HIS fault because Haleigh got into RON’S drug stash…..Tommy leaves….Ron comes home…Misty tells him that Haleigh got into HIS drugs and dies…Ron freaks….Misty tells him she and Tommy covered for him by hiding the body…they get rid of ALL the drugs in the house…stage the back door…call 911….thus Ron’s comments in the background about “we’re fu#$ed” and “I didn’t have anything to do with this”. It also explains why Tommy would not tell LE he was there that night….but later under pressure tells them he was but only to knock on the door…no one answers….Ron knows his family will hate him for leaving drugs where Haleigh could get into them (and he doesn’t know the truth that Misty drugged Haleigh intentionally OR that Misty was out partying) so he keeps quiet…knows he’s facing jail time for Haleigh’s death….Misty stays quiet…pretending to keep Ron’s secret when in fact it is her that caused Haleigh’s death….Tommy stays quiet because he doesn’t want to go down for this either……Lindsey knows the truth but is afraid Tommy will be in deep trouble for disposing of the body so she stays quiet…..the letter from Nay Nay fits into this to…the one where she says Misty was at a party and Haleigh OD’d….all true…they just didn’t happen at the same place…..Haleigh OD’d at home while Misty was at a party.
Okay fellow armchair detectives…start poking holes in this theory…..what doesn’t fit…if anything? Are we onto something? We see how all these people protect themselves….how selfish they are. They would hide the truth to save their own skin…no question about it!
tobias said,in February 16th, 2010 at 2:18 pm M2C do you mean that she was possibly hurt earlier and was fine still while riding the bike? There have been cases of trama to the head and other things that dont show up immediately thats why I ASKED. JMO
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Yes, tobias, and a good question it was. Remember Natasha Richardson, the actress, who had a skiing accident last year? She hit her head hard on the soft snow, got up and did a little interview, went back to her room and died many hours later from her head injury. So it is very possible that this could have happened in this case.
I WONDER IF TOMMY WENT THERE WHILE MISTY WAS GONE FROM THE M.H. AND HALEIGH WOKE UP WHILE TOMMY WAS IN THE HOUUSE SO HE DID SOMETHING TO HER THEN WENT N GOT THE VAN N JOE AND DID AWAY W/ HER BODY.
jb, Very good theory the only hole I can see is why no one tells on Misty being at a party. but maybe she was just out with joe and tommy. jmo
Romewi,
I just laughed listening to the tapes of Daddy Dearest and son. In that tape I think I heard him call him Dad maybe one time the rest of the time it was dude, bro, man. What is up with that since when do you call your father bro, to me that shows a very little sign of respect although he tosses the l word to him a bunch of times. And it seems to me that Tommy was rolling over on Misty to Daddy Dearest with the comment “that is what I wanted to hear”, I am still trying to figure that one out. Another thing that bothers me so much is why does Tommy think everyone else should be taking care of his family, like Lindsey’s daddy and his comment just ask your dad for help and don’t tell him you got taxes? Yo Tommy dude bro whatever it is you like to get called it’s your responsibility and your wife to take care of YOUR family that you LOVE! Tommy dude may be in jail but it’s his wife’s responsibility to take care of her children now in the best possible way she can and if it means spending all the tax money than that is what she should do!!!!!!! Everyone has great posts and theory’s on what happened. The whole heart of this case Drugs or no Drugs is what happened that night to Haleigh!!!! HALEIGH should be all that matters to Ron, Misty, Tommy and the families involved. It is sad how this has all turned into a circus at least there is not a shortage of clowns to entertain. (Just my opinion and right to freedom of speech!)
JillF…the rat thing fits into this too….Tommy and Ron argue about Misty…Tommy smarts off about going to LE over Ron’s drugs killing Haleigh…Ron decapitates a rat and puts it in the mailbox to send Tommy a CLEAR message…KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT…..unfortunately, Ron doesn’t know that it was MISTY that killed Haleigh…not him (directly anyway)….it would explain why Ron would marry Misty too…..she was covering for him…needs to keep her close…even after the divorce he has strung her along…and kept close to her…why? Because he wants to make sure she doesn’t rat on him….Misty fails her LDT because of all the lies she is involved in. Ron passes because he has more control over his emotions….knows he has an alibi of being at work and if he remains calm he can pass it…..after all…if this is the way it happened…he truly didn’t intentionally hurt Haleigh and he knows that. These people deny responsibility for everything even when they are guilty…I think he could pass the LDT…Misty isn’t that strong emotionally….and is worried that Ron will find out, that Tommy will rat her out…that she’ll do time or Ron will kill her…makes her an emotional wreck….can’t pass a LDT or voice analysis test…..
Okay, let’s try to prove this theory to be false! Anyone?
Sorry and possibly NayNay, she may be involved after the fact also so she kept reasonably quiet. jmo
JB I totally agree about the rat in the mailbox. It was Ron’s way of telling Tommy he better not RAT or his head would be cut off also, not literally, but you know what I mean.
Great theories also!
Haleigh could have died hours later from an injury. It might not even have been injury inflicted on her by anyone. She could have been hurt while she was playing; kids fall and get hurt all the time, and bounce back and go on with their day.
If this happened and she died after going to sleep, Misty might have called someone other than 911 because she was so freaked out over it she didn’t now what to do. Maybe they all thought no one would believe it was an accident.
Tobias…good point…why did no one see Misty out at a party and rat her out….maybe she was at a more “intimate” party. Someone she met at the drug/sex binge thing…Whiteboy Greg? Maybe it was a secret meeting with him…do a little drugs for sex exchange….could have happened in the back seat of the car down an alley or parked out in the woods and THAT is why no one saw her…..but she wasn’t home and she drugged the kids so she could go get her fix of drugs and sex….
JB,
I’m still having Ron problems and can’t get by them. Wouldn’t Ron be smart enough to blame someone else for the drugs….say they were Misty’s drugs or take a plea deal now for info? I also think he would have been out of control upset just learning his daughter died. I want to fully go with your senario but I am hung up on this part.
Wasn’t there some chatter on here the other day about the road rage incident….that maybe the guy knew something and Ron was trying to quiet him?
Catharic – true…these people could be keeping that secret because they know with the lifestyle they live, no one would believe them….but if that was the case and Misty (and perhaps Tommy) didn’t have a way to pin it on Ron, then Ron would have killed them or blamed them to LE for his daughter’s death…there would be no reason for Ron to keep the secret…unless they made him believe it was somehow his fault….even if it wasn’t….does that make sense? If Ron came home and found out Haleigh had died he would have blamed Misty and would have had no problem with calling LE….especially if they disposed of the body…he would be livid…UNLESS they made him think he was somehow responsible….thus the prior theory they blamed it on an overdose of HIS drugs that he had in the house. It is the ONLY way I can figure to involve Ron, cause him to marry Misty, the rat in the mailbox,etc…..
WBG had a lie detector test done by LE early on when they found out about the week end love fest. jmo
I still feel that more people know what happened to Haleigh and they are afraid of someone to talk. I have doubts Misty could have pulled off this by herself, but even if the girl is not book smart she is street smart so who really knows? If Tommy was there at 10 pm that was the time Misty said she went to bed and if she went to bed at 10pm how was she in such a deep sleep so suddenly she did not hear the door? So many questions so little answers!!!
JB – It sounds very possible and I believe that is the essential story that will come out. The one part that may differ is Ron’s involvment. I think he is more involved than just neglecting to hide the stash. Also, are we sure that he passed the polygraph? I remember he said he passed it (as did Misty) but I don’t remember anyone confirming that.
Romewi…not a problem – no apologies for asking questions about the theory…that is what I WANT everyone to do. I’ve taken comments that everyone has given and have developed this theory….now…let’s see if we can prove it to be wrong in any way…..if we can rationalize their actions and comments….if something doesn’t fit…this theory has a problem….so far I’m finding ways to explain everything and stick with this theory…
If Ron gets home…they tell him Haleigh OD’d on HIS drugs but they covered for him, hid the body and set it up to look like an abduction to save his butt….he might go along with it out of fear…once he went along with it…there is no turning back….
It’s so great to see everyone working together today!!!! At times I’m afraid to post because people can be so mean.
If Haleigh died from an accident, Ron might truly not know about that. He could still believe a stranger took Haleigh. I lean more toward believing that if she died from an injury it was more likely an inflicted injury. Ron was arguing with Misty, maybe Haleigh got in the way and in a fit of temper he shoved her, slapped her, or whatever, and she fell. But she appeared OK so he left for work. IDK, it’s just one theory among many I have been turning over in my mind.
Tobias, I noticed John Merchant’s name over at the S Monkey site.
For all we know LE has the same theory and with out a body or alot of evidence the case will never be solved. So they do the sting and hope someone talks. And if all else fails the guilty are in prison for a while on the drug charges. jmo
JB,
Thanks for the hard work. I’ll keep thinking about your theory and see if I can come up with any more questions.
I have a feeling that John Merchant knew from the get go that this may have been drug related so he befriended Ron. You know he became the good cop and the others were the bad cops. jmo
Now we have to find out how Joe pytko found out or was that just LE testing a theory out on NayNay? jmo
Mandy – yes, there are SO many questions but I think this theory may also explain why they are now all behind bars….LE may have this same theory and wants them to turn on each other.
JillF – I don’t know for a fact he passed the LDT…I just don’t think he failed it as miserably as Misty did because her’s was BIG news…his wasn’t…the only explanation I can find for that is hers was WAY off the charts and he was more in control on his….
Okay folks….anyone got anything else? Any other holes they can poke in this theory? M2C? You’re a very logical thinker…..do you see anything that jumps out at you that we haven’t collectively explained?
Tobias…you got anything? I would REALLY love to come up with a theory together and be able to explain ALL of the bizarre behaviors, the lies, etc…..we might just be onto something with this!
It could be that Ron did hurt Haleigh before he left for work and Misty drugged her to keep her quiet/ease pain and she died. In that case – neither would know who was directly responsible. Does anyone know for sure that Ron passed the lie detector test? I really believe the rest of the scenario JB presented works.
Romewi…this isn’t MY hard work…this is ALL of our hard work. Like I said…I’ve taken all the bits and pieces of everyone’s comments and put it together to create one theory. Something we can all pick apart until we adjust the theory to the point it ALL fits. It will be our COLLECTIVE theory….someting we all work on. But first, we have to try our best to poke holes in it and adjust any part of it that doesn’t fit. That takes ALL of us working together with the facts we know. 😀
The timing of the 911 call. Let’s discuss that a bit. Ron would have needed time to calm down a bit. Did this give him time to do that?
JillF – that is very possible too…that Ron hurt Haleigh somehow…and would further explain his cooperation after her death (guilt and fear of jail). However, there was at least one witness that saw Haleigh that evening…the grandma…and she played with Tommy’s kids as well, right? If she was injurred…wouldn’t someone have noticed? UNLESS it was a head injury type thing…had a knot on her head type thing…perhaps she was shaken…..anyone have any thoughts on this as a possibility?
Romewi….another good point….who has the time Ron was at the store as well as the time the 911 call came in? Anyone got those exact times handy?
It would also explain the two parts reuniting and the tatoo. Mistys proof of devotion to Ron.
Rons secret meetings and rekindled love interest in her. She is his enemy because she can tell on him and he can tell on her, love aint it grand. Keep your enemies close isnt that what he said? And yeah I bet his grief and shame is hrrible but not enough to spend life in prison. Misty and Tommy too. jmo
Romewi…of course…we don’t know for sure what time Ron left work…he could have left early…gone home…helped stage the house…gone to the store as an alibi…like he was just getting off work…and THEN made the 911 call…but I don’t see them thinking things out that thoroughly. I see him getting home and then the chit hitting the fan.
Tobias…you are right…it explains the strange relationship Ron and Misty have….this theory fits everything so far……
Anyone got the times for the trip to the store and the 911 call? Know how to find it?
Misty may not have told him until later. Thats why he could pass a lie detecter test.jmo
JB, right. We heard in Sept. 2009 that Ron’s alibi was getting “wobbly”. That’s why I questioned last night about could he have come home from work earlier, left, and come back?
TN has lied about R picking Haleigh up from the bus, GGMS said she saw the kids at 7pm having dinner on the porch, M was deceptive on polygraph question, did she know who took Haleigh, but did not show deception on the question, did she hurt Haleigh.
Did GGM pick up Haleigh to relieve M? There have been calls at Ron’s work where M has had problems handling Haleigh. Did T or GGM hurt Haleigh or did she take some of those bitter tasting pills of TN’s and that is why they are all covering up the truth? Did R really get off work at 3:00am? Who was arguing outside at 3:00am?
Tobias – Bravo…another good point….that might have given her more time to think up a way to blame Ron for her death….say it was his drugs…Maybe the big fight she and Ron had where Misty called her dad and brother to come get her resulting in a restraining order was when she told him…..maybe at some point after that Tommy made a comment to Ron about telling LE it was Ron’s drugs that killed Haleigh, that it was HIS fault…and thus the headless rat in the mailbox….would explain how Ron could pass a LDT (if he did indeed pass)…if he wasn’t aware it wasn’t a kidnapping until later. Maybe Ron got angry with Misty and threatened her…got her to tell him what happened that night. That could very well fit as well. It seems like the same set of events…just a little different sequence but I think we may be on to something folks.
I just have one question. About the theory that the kids were drugged so Misty could go out. Has Jr been tested for being drugged? I sure hope so, that might shed some light on things?? Maybe??
You all have some very good thoughts! I have been following this since day one, and coming here has really made my mind go NUTS lol. Love this blog and all the different thoughts!
I pray for answers, and HaLeigh get brought home….either way!
JB,the argueing out side could have been Tommy and Misty on what do we do now. They then staged the MH hoping it would look like a S/O and when things started looking bad they told Ron about her taking the drugs. This would make him protect Misty from media scrutiny and also give him ideas on how to get out of it by blaming Misty and Tommy in the media. jmo
Isn’t it weird that everyone says Ron always arrived to work 30-45 minutes early, except on that day??
If Haleigh got hurt in the course of a Ron/Misty argument, he could have been delayed in leaving for work that day. I do believe Ron loves his kids, and if he had pushed Haleigh and caused her to fall or whatever, he might have taken a few minutes to see that she was OK before leaving.
I thought the 911 call was something like 3:27 AM. I thought he was on camera at the store at something like 3:17 AM.
I realize that with such things the times would have to be more accurate but I do not know the exact times; these are just what stick in my mind as the times that were reported.
Nancy Grace sure did fall for it hook line and sinker. jmo
It would also explain why on the Today Show, when asked about why her stories were inconsistent, Misty looked at ron for the answer….
Okay…another point that fits…Tommy gets back home from helping Misty dispose of the body and meets Lindsey at the door….he tells her what is going on…she wants him to call LE…he refuses…they get in a big hairy fight…neighbors hear shouting…LE is called and they end up at Tommy’s house shortly before Ron and Misty make the 911 call….it is all coming together, piece by piece….
Nothing explains why R, TN and GGM all stood by Misty if they didn’t know she was 100% not responsible. Not until she and Ron were jailed did they turn on Misty..
I think they were hoping no one would care and this would go cold but Cobra showed up. Then more lies started to form, Ron was getting very agitated at media he could not control like Nancy Grace. Then after Maury he pretty much stayed away from commenting until the drug arrests. jmo
I thought I heard Lindsey was at work. I’ll do more searching later on the 911 call and where Lindsey was that night. Can’t search at the moment.
JB..another thing that fits in is how the day the Mondex pond was drained, due to the “letter” Nay Nay wrote about HaLeigh OD’ing at a party, Ron and Misty have a big fight and Donna Brock picks Misty up for a relaxing trip to Universal Studios.
Ron could have put 2 and 2 together and confronted Misty about the two different stories..the one she told him and the one Nay Nay’s letter tells??
I thought Lindsey was at school or work that night. I will do more searching on the 911 and Lindsey later. Can’t search at the moment.
Rons idea to get info out of Misty and TN and GG Sykes just went along with it. He is still twisting TN along with the I got Misty in jail thing. jmo
I wish we could read the AC guy’s statement. Ron seems to have women under ether – including his mom & gma.
I think the collective theory makes sense. I don’t understand the – “that dumb b%$# let my daughter get stole” (or something like that) – That sounded genuine. I wonder if he didn’t know she would dispose of the body. Or maybe it was a combination of extreme guilt/remorse & fear of being caught.
It also explains Ron calling Misty about the DB undercover mama. jmo
Meant to add that Misty could have been terrified “something” would be found in that pond that day it was drained, and probably wanted to get as far away from ron and his family as possible.
What I have to wonder is let’s say this was just a bad accident or Haleigh got sick and Misty found her dead or barely breathing why not call 911? Unless you have something to hide or fear of something the first thing that a sane logical person would do is call 911 for help? If it was where she was sick or had gotten hurt and later fell ill.
Buddy….TN and GGM wouldn’t have known otherwise. They were not and still MAY not be privy to the truth. Ron wouldn’t have wanted them to know it was HIS drugs that killed Haleigh as he was made to belive. Ron was taking up for Misty so they did too. They follow Ron’s lead. NONE of them counted on this becoming the media frenzy it became. They bit off WAY more than they could chew….but they STILL think they can pull this off because no body has been found….no body….no prison for murder/manslaughter/child endangerment, etc.
Tobias @ 2:18 – I don’t know if she could have been hurt before or after doing wheelies. I just meant the way that M said “she was fine then” made me wonder if for some reason Haleigh was NOT fine later. “Not fine” meaning having fallen ill or passed out or worse due to something happening earlier (but don’t know when earlier).
Regarding you saying you asked something, I missed that, I’m sorry. I was just responding to some thoughts in Cathartic’s post.
Also explains why Tommy didnt hussle over to the MH when the cops were there. They had lights a flashing and Tommy only lives 2 blocks over so they had to have seen action going on. jmoo
Not telling Ron until later might also explain why Tommy didn’t tell LE he was at the house that night until later. Now that Ron knew what happened he had to cover his tail.
I think they thought stranger abduction thing would be believed a lot easier than accidental death would have been believed. Stranger abductions do happen, with kids being taken from their beds and no one hearing a sound.
I agree they hoped it would just go cold. They tried from the beginning to turn the investigation away from themselves and maybe they thought they had accomplished that. They appear to have had no idea they still being closely scrutinized.
JB great post, however there have been cases tried and won without a body before all they need is someone to roll over and tell the truth.
And Misty putting some heat on Tommy by saying she is suspisous of him on her stress test, this keeps him quiet as a warning. The media did ask him about the things she said and he just says she is crazy. Misty claims Tommy said he was at the MH at 10 because he wants out of jail. His way of putting heat on her.
They all keep each other in line and from talking maybe that is why LE has seperated them and wont let Misty and Tommy visit. jmo
And Misty is feeling guilt when she is alone and thats why she wants others around to keep her mind off of what happened. Keep her in solitary and she may really feel the pressure to talk, just to free herself of the guilt. jmo
Tobias @ 3:33pm
Given what we know of T’s character and “habits”, I sincerely doubt that he would hurry on over TOWARD police cars and lights! I think he’d stay home for sure. lol!
tobias @ 3:40 – I believe this is still a drug crime – being overseen by the drug department (or whatever it is called). I am sure it is typical for LE not to want people to talk which would give them the opportunity to get their stories straight or make up a story.
I think it’s SOP (standard operating procedure) in a drug bust like this.
Mandy…you and I know cases can be proven without a body but these hillbillies may be thinking that as long as a body isn’t/wasn’t found and they keep their mouths shut….they are free and clear.
However, in a lot of cases without a body they have enough blood loss from the victim or some other proof that they are dead….we don’t have that in this case….THAT is why LE needs one of the players to turn on the others….thus the drug bust and keeping them all apart….let them wonder if the others are making a deal with LE!
Tobias…yes, I think Misty has been an emotional wreck from all of this…she may be keeping more secrets than anyone and has the most to fear from Ron and LE….THAT is why she failed her LDT so miserably AND the voice analysis, etc….she is struggling to deal with her emotions and guilt….she is in a tough place if this theory is correct…stuck between the wrath of Ron and a hefty prison sentence….drugs were her way of coping with the grief, guilt and pressure…without them to help her forget the pain she’s feeling, she is grasping for the comfort her family provides….and talking up a storm…even if it is all lies.
But without Haleighs body no one would know that she injested the drugs. Misty has been the key so she will get the most blame but she could cast doubt on Ron with the help of Tommy and possibly others if there are any. That also could be why L Piddilla isnt a factor for Misty, she has no hard in your hand proof to give him it would just be a story. jmo
M2C, I meant if Tommy didnt know anything he would be worried enough to high tail it over to the MH because he would have ben worried about Misty. jmo
TN has a red truck, TN sat quiet on NG when told Misty was deceptive on polygraph and still protected her. TN sent Cobra into the woods on some wild goose chase, why? TN said Haleigh would never take those bitter tasting pills when that letter came out about Misty and the party, was she protecting Misty and why would she not want that looked into? Why try to discredit it right off the bat with saying she takes those pills and knows Haliegh would not take them because of the bitter taste? TN said right from the beginning, Misty would never hurt those babies, she loves those kids like they are her own.. Why does she try to take the focus off the LAST PERSON TO SEE HER GRAND DAUGHTER?
I wonder when we will get more tapes?
Tobias – another good point…..if Tommy and Lindsey were arguing, LE was called and then they see all the LE show up at Ron’s and I’m SURE they could hear it on the radio with the officer that was at their house and yet Tommy didn’t bother to head down there…it would be yet another strong indicator he ALREADY knew Haleigh was missing and why.
JB @ 3:032 – The questions have been about when R got to work. I have not heard credible questions about when he left work. We know he was required to work 3 hours over which puts it at 3 am. So I don’t see a reason to question the time he got home or to assume he had time to concoct some cover story with M or to cover up much of anything.
And as far as M telling him that an earlier blow from R killed Haleigh OR that Haleigh got into HIS drugs, I just don’t know how R would react. At this point I do not see him letting little Haleigh rot somewhere. In fact I think R’s bright enough to have been able to put it all back on M and told LE right away about it.
So that theory, I guess, I’m not so sure about.
Buddy , Because her son tells her to. He says Misty knows nothing and if she did he would know it, so they all believe RON. JMO
JB @ 4:01 – Do you really think Tommy would head TOWARD a bunch of police cars whether he knew what was going on or not? I don’t. I think he’d stay home for sure. As far away from LE and whatever was going on as he could.
Buddy…it could be because Ron has told her Misty had nothing to do with it. If our theory is correct, he would want to point the finger in ANY other direction than Misty…because if Misty gets pressured and cracks…it is his butt too! So, he protects her and tells his family she had nothing to do with it. Or maybe Ron confided in his mom and Gmom the truth (or what he thinks to be the truth) and like they always do, they cover for him which in turn means they cover for Misty.
However, I don’t think Ron would have told him. Part of the reason he would go along with it is because he wouldn’t want his family to know Haleigh died because of HIS drugs. He would be ashamed. I don’t think they knew…at least not in the beginning…and they followed Ron’s lead in defending Misty. I think Misty was probably pretty good with the kids, especially when Ron’s mom and/or gmom was around. I think Misty truly cared about the kids and because they lacked a mother figure, adored Misty because she gave them attention. They wouldn’t suspect Misty….and they certainly don’t want anyone honing in on the drug angle because they ALL have done drugs. They are protecting their own miserable lives as much as they are protecting Ron when they defend Misty and the drug overdose angle.
Tobias @ 3:59 – T’s house was NOT in site of R’s MH. So he would not know whose house LE was at. It could have been any house in that direction. So, no, he would not have gone. He would not have gone if he DID have something to do with it and he would not have gone if he didn’t. Some people are the opposite of “ambulance chasers.” The last thing T would want is to be found hanging around and then asked a lot of questions.
M2C…true, Tommy isn’t big on LE…however, if he had NOTHING to do with Haleigh’s disappearance, heard that she was missing and thought his sister was upset or in trouble, I think he’d be there in a heartbeat…unless he already knew and was avoiding the situation like the plague which I believe to be the case.
Trying to get caught up… I still believe that M&R didn’t intentionally cause harm to HaLeigh. Misty knows a lot, Ron wants her to keep her mouth shut. Tommy is just an opportunist looking for his next come-up.
Start throwing your darts at me.. But, TN is in real deep!!!
Keep it Real at 3:25 –
The pond was not drained due to Nay Nay’s letter. Nay Nay told whoever she sent that letter to that LE told her that story about the party and Haleigh OD’ing. That’s what the letter said. And LE stated their search of the pond had nothing to do with the letter. Which makes sense. If LE told Nay Nay about the party etc then they had to have heard about it from someone else before she wrote the letter.
jb,Have you had the chance to see the Misty video? I did, all you have to do is right click
save to file and download it only took 20 min. for me then I watched it. Misty talks to her dad about how she should have listened and went to Mass or Mich. but Ron got in her head.
Said he loved her and he wanted her to get the tatoo. I think she thought this could all work out in some way and she could still be with Ron. In my opinion Ron was always looking for a way to put all the blame on her and sway everyone to think if she did say anything it would be a lie. jmo
cent, I’m just not sure that R wants M to keep her mouth shut. Even if you don’t count the divorce, he had another girl friend, and is making it pretty clear from his jail cell to hers via the media that he’s not that interested in her anymore. And M is hurt by that it appears.
M2C..I think it very possible Tommy would have overheard things on the police radio that officer’s wear. There was a lot of chatter between the officer at Tommy’s and the other responding officers at Ron’s. I think he would have overheard at least Ron’s name, Haleigh’s name, the address, something…..and I would think if he was NOT involved he would have wanted to be there for his sister. But I think he already knew. The Croslins get no credit for smarts but they are a tight bunch…and I think he would be there for Misty….but that’s jmo
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LE was supposed to have heard it from JOE PYTKO
it STATES IT IN THE LETTER. JMO
JB – You mean Tommy was a WebSleuth scanner?
LOL! Sorry I couldn’t resist that. I just mean that I never heard that Tommy had a scanner or was into that kind of thing.
Also, even if T knew LE was at R’s home, he could have thought R & M had a fight. Considering he’s a sneak thief and drug user (and might even have been high at the time) I do not see him going there of his own free will at that point.
On Levi’s show Sunday, Leonard Padilla said Tommy was right over there even before TN and Ggm Sykes got there if I understood it right.
I am not a Tommy fan but I think he came right over as soon as the cops let them know Haleigh was missing. Misty had tried to call them but their phone ringer was off and an officer went to their house if I understood LP and if you believe LP knows the facts.
Thank you, Tobias. No need to yell in caps.
And that is exactly what I said. LE did NOT drain the pond because of Nay Nay’s letter. And Nay Nay is NOT the person who told them about the party. Thank you for identifying the person who apparently did.
Has Jr. ever been tested for being drugged?? Does anyone know? If she drugged HaLeigh, then im sure she would have drugged Jr also!?! They would have been able to test him for that! Maybe still can if they havent yet. I have always heard that the drugs that you do in your life show up in your hair?? Maybe they can test his hair to see if he has ever had any drugs in his system…and at that age there should be nothing hard like an adult would take?? Just wondering here =)
fUNNY THING ABOUT THE GIRL FRIEND SHE SEEMS TO BE TALKED ABOUT BUT REALLY DO YOU THINK THE MEDIA WOULD LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE IF IT WERE TRUE? TJ would have found her by now and the other reporters on the case. jmo
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Thank you, treece. It’s only under a circumstance like that – like LE shows up at the door to tell you your niece is missing – that I can see T going over there.
However I am never positive about anything LP says (without corroboration) and I think you feel the same.
tobias, I was talking about the nutcase that wrote R in jail and stuff. And M referred to some other girl friend, too, I believe. So I guess she thought it was true.
And, no I don’t think TJ is into chasing down a woman R might be dating (especially so long after Haleigh disappeared and who apparently has no connection to the case. He’s too classy for that).
They found Cjones that way. just saying.
Tobias @ 4:17 pm You said, ” Ron was always looking for a way to put all the blame on her and sway everyone to think if she did say anything it would be a lie.”
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He could have done it that night. He could have done that a day or week or six months later. He never did. She made a fool of herself with her stories from the start. He did not have to “look for a way” to make her look like a liar. She did it to herself.
M2c, I believe LP as much as Levi or CJones.
Find the girlfriend friend…. people do talk in bed!!!!
Tobias, who found CJones what way when?
Also when Chad and Crystal were on the outs we were all looking for her new love interest.
Maybe no one outside of a few internet posters really gives a crap about who Ron might or might not be seeing. I didn’t see the press running to Yulee to interview Bobby Hatch either. 😀
Also when Chad and Crystal were on the outs we were all looking for her new love interest.
Also when Chad and Crystal were on the outs we were all looking for her new love interest.
Also when Chad and Crystal were on the outs we were all looking for her new love interest.
Also when Chad and Crystal were on the outs we were all looking for her new love interest.
Also when Chad and Crystal were on the outs we were all looking for her new love interest.
SORRY i DONT KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED BEFORE i finished typing. I JUST WANTED TO SAY i was being fair.
Vaquera @ 4:33- Right.
There is a big difference between the real world and the blogger world in a lot of ways! lol!
Some one went in and gave TJ and Simon a report on Misty and Cjones back when they were a supposed couple. I think Rons girlfriend was also makebelieve. Misty may have thought she was real but I dont. jmo
Hi, cent! I know. But I was saying that I did not think that was TJ’s style – to chase down someone like that.
Also, although there was a lot of garbage on blogs about that person (if there even was a gf at the time) I don’t recall any details or that anyone ever really for sure found out who she was or talked to her. I kind of always thought it was a rumor or it was blown up out of all proportion, you know?
M2C – when I was talking about Tommy hearing it on the radio I was talking about the radios the officers wear. They are usually on their shoulder. We know the officer that was at Tommy’s house was talking to the other officers about Haleigh…so why would it not be possible for Tommy to hear that too? And a LOT of druggies have scanners by the way. Helps keep them warned before LE comes busting through their door….not saying Tommy has one but don’t know that he doesn’t either. Criminal types have always utilized scanners to help them stay one step ahead of LE….and NO, I’m not saying that all people who have scanners are criminals either. A LOT of law abiding citizens have scanners.
m2c♥ said,in February 16th, 2010 at 4:06 pm JB @ 4:01 – Do you really think Tommy would head TOWARD a bunch of police cars whether he knew what was going on or not? I don’t. I think he’d stay home for sure. As far away from LE and whatever was going on as he could.
xxxxxxxx Absolutely! No way in hel lo would he approach LE…after viewing the latest video visit with his wife and child, I don’t see him approaching LE if he saw flames and had no clue of his family’s where abouts and safety! sorry, but thats my thoughts on that!
But wasn’t it reported that Tommy DID in fact end up down at Ron and Misty’s?
JB – I guess I thought the officer was taking that transmission in the car. Not at the door or inside T’s home.
Anyway, so IF T heard it (and understood it – I have trouble following such lingo and talk) I’m not sure he would necessarily have picked up on the fact that it was a missing child.
Once again, if LE was already at HIS DOOR because of a problem at HIS HOUSE, why run down the street and get involved in something else?
I don’t even know why we’re talking about this except I think Tobias wants to find T guilty because he did not run to R’s house when he supposedly should have seen cop car lights in that direction – and now supposedly heard it on a scanner that we don’t know he has or heard it on the shoulder radio of an officer.
It just doesn’t mean a darned thing any which way I look at it.
NewHere….I’ve often wondered about them testing Jr for drugs too. The fact that Misty once was talking about what time Jr went to bed (which seemed really early) and that after getting Haleigh to school they went back to bed and Jr. slept until noon was strange to me. Most little kids are up at 6:00 wanting breakfast and to watch cartoons….why would he sleep so much if he WASN’T drugged?
Ron sure wants us to believe it, why because Misty is gonna tell that they have been together the whole time? And the tatoo he says the opposite of Misty on that too. And why would anyone get a name on their lower back unless they really believed they would be together for ever? It is a little too permenant. It raised a red flag when he even knows where she got it done. Extreme tatoos.
jmo
M2C – we’re just kicking around ideas….that’s all. Trying to prove or disprove the theory provided earlier today.
Buddy said,
in February 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
TN has a red truck, TN sat quiet on NG when told Misty was deceptive on polygraph and still protected her. TN sent Cobra into the woods on some wild goose chase, why? TN said Haleigh would never take those bitter tasting pills when that letter came out about Misty and the party, was she protecting Misty and why would she not want that looked into? Why try to discredit it right off the bat with saying she takes those pills and knows Haliegh would not take them because of the bitter taste? TN said right from the beginning, Misty would never hurt those babies, she loves those kids like they are her own.. Why does she try to take the focus off the LAST PERSON TO SEE HER GRAND DAUGHTER?
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TN went into the woods with cobra, she didn’t send him. she had been out there earlier and seen that hog trap and heard noise and called cobra to go with her out there. We saw a few minutes of an hour that had been heavily edited…why? Remember art was being paid by both cobra and also Kim to be a media consultant to make Crystal look better. also a psychic had told TN about Haleigh being at that 210 Green lane place, she used to call into the radio show quiet a bit but doesn’t anymore.
Once again so what if TN took some pain meds after her car accident, she never said she was still on them but said she knew how they tasted and they were bitter.
JB – 8pm for a toddler is NOT early for bed!
However I have always wondered about that next morning, too. The only thing I could think of is that maybe Jr lost sleep because of all the hub bub that night so he napped in the morning as well. Otherwise, you’re right. Little kids would have been full of energy the next morning so how could R and M have napped?
Only LE knows what condition Jr was in that night. Whether he woke up, what he said, etc.
I have not heard from LE on that (that I remember anyway)
I could see Tommy going there, he’s nosy and an opportunist. Why not go… all the neighbors gathering outside, makes for empty homes.
You are right JB, lots of people have scanners…druggies…normal ole people! I have one =) My grandma use to have one and we would sit there and listen to all the stuff going on around town. So yes I do think it was possible for someone in that bunch to have had a scanner.
M2c, you are right according to LP the police went to Tommy’s house and told them. I agree that would be the only reason he didn’t hide.
But like I said, I believe LP as much as Levi or Charles J.
JB – I understand that. But going on because someone thinks T must be guilty because he did not run down toward the police lights right away is – well, what is the point? But I feel that I have to speak up because otherwise it gets left at “T looks/is guilty because…”
My final comment on it. It means nada.
Tobias, I agree, I don’t think Rons girlfriend was real either… I think we would have an idea of who she is and what she looks like, don’t ya think? Wouldn’t LE have interviewed her by now? would’nt we know about it? too strange.
there is no forensic evidence anything torrid happened to Haleigh in that mobile home.. except someone came in and took her….You know the non stranger abduction that LE has talked about for a year. there are no witnesses to say Misty was anywhere out that night. There was the ac man and neighbors who saw the kids playing after Ron went to work. Mrs. Sykes came over later with someone and they saw the kids. If something happened like Haleigh got into Ron’s prescription meds and died there is no reason for him to cover up anything, he was at work and had a prescription, which I seriously doubt he left pill bottles laying around. He would never cover for Misty or anyone else who did something to his kids that he raised since they were babies. Jr. was old enough and talked well enough to tell LE what was going on or if Misty left because he did see somebody in the mobile home that night…..remember?? So he was awake or was awakened by whomever was dressed in black that took sissy.
Buddy at 4:00 – You said, “TN sat quiet on NG when told Misty was deceptive on polygraph and still protected her.”
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What the heck was TN supposed to say? How’s she supposed to know if how or why M was deceptive on a polygraph? What exactly should she have said? Personally I think she’s been very restrained about casting blame because she didn’t know anything. Did not want to publicly accuse anyone at that point.
Vaquera, thank you for reminding us of so many facts.
Vaquera @ 4:59 – I agree.
I personally think 8pm is to early for bedtime! I lay my kids down at 9pm, even my 3 year old. She usually sleeps till about 9am, but can sleep longer if its quite, but most of the time she is wide eyed and bushy tailed by 9am lol ready to bring down the house! She isnt even close to ready for a nap till around 1-2pm. BUT if she was to sleep in, then there is no way till later on in the day that she is even gunna think about laying down again lol. So either, they just let him run around and do his own thing while they slept, or they would drug him to make him sleepy….who knows, its all just sad! I just cant wait till Haleigh is brought home!
But Ron and TN said Junior never told them about someone in black he just told Crystal after she asked him if he saw any one . Little boys can imagine things if people ask a lot of questions. He may or may not have seen someone.jmo
I bet there were alot of scanners in that group of hoodlums…probably not a receipt for any of them, but thats the way it is with people like that. JMO I know thats a mean thing to say, and I don’t like feeling that way. I guess I’m still alittle angry about how thoughtless and uncaring Misty and Tommy are being…and Ron too for that matter. If Lynseys parents are reading this, I hope and pray you use this time he is in jail to help her get away. She needs to know and believe that she is beautiful and can do so much better. She needs counceling. I hope she gets it. It’s so sad to see a girl with small children living like this. She needs to be saved.
My belief is that TN and Mom only stood behind Misty, so as to please Ron. After their baby boy goes to jail, Misty becomes their enemy?
Buddy,
I just watched a replay of an early video in which Ron says he picked up Haleigh at the bus stop, around 3:45 pm.
So, that’s Ron and Teresa saying that Ron picked her up.
Eye-witnesses say Misty picked her up, but – does Misty confirm that?
Ron and Teresa claim Ron picked her up, but Misty and parents at the bus stop say Misty picked her up?
B.A.cent It would appear that way . They want to blame her for getting him arrested too. Seems like the same verse third time around. Crystal and Amber are no good in their eyes and now Misty has been thrown on that pile too.
Not that she doesnt deserve it but what a drastic change of opinion so fast. jmo
Vaquera – there is no one to say Misty WAS there all night, the scene seemed staged, Misty’s story has more holes than a 10 gallon hat hit repeatedly with buckshot, and Ron may have had a NUMBER of drugs in the house….not just a prescription. He could have been dealing a number of prescription or street drugs….if Haleigh OD’d, there wouldn’t be any sign of something “torrid” happening there. Ron had guns in the house, sold drugs, did drugs and so did Misty and everyone they associated with….Haleigh getting into some of it is not that far fetched to me. I’ve never heard LE confirm what Jr. said and we have no way of knowing if that was something he was coached to say or was the truth. Tommy (and possibly cousin Joe) could have been dressed in dark clothing and have taken Haleigh out after she OD’d and that could be what Jr. saw if he saw anything at all. I already explained previously how Ron could have been told by Misty (and possibly Tommy) that Haleigh got into his stash of drugs and died and that they hid her body, came up with the abduction story to cover his butt. They people are selfish and think of themselves first. If Ron thought he was going to go to prison for the drugs Haleigh died from, and knowing there was nothing he could do to bring her back, I can see him going along with the story to cover his own backside. He may have later doubted Misty’s story and that is why he appears to be turning on her now. Maybe he’s heard rumors that Misty truly wasn’t home, was out banging whiteboy Greg and SHE drugged the kids and THAT is how Haleigh died and now he’s trying to find a way to pin this on her without implicating himself in the original cover up.
cent, I sort of agree with you at 5:11 but possibly for different reasons. What would or could they know that would give them reason to bad mouth M to the media?
The only reason I can think of is Ron!
NewHere – Yeah, my son is 15 now but I remember VERY well what he was like at Jr’s age and he didn’t go to bed at 8:00 and sleep until noon, EVER, I can assure you of that. Yes, he was either up running around doing his own thing or he was drugged or sleeping OFF drugs IMO.
I’m not saying this is so… I just believe that they will bend in any direction he tells them to. They take their cues from him!!!
True, Tobias, kids can be coached. But, many four year olds can relate who visited, what they wore.
JB – What about the scene “looks staged?”
From what I’ve read there is a reasonable explanation for just about everything that some people are also looking at as suspicious.
The one thing no one has figured out (including R and M – no explanations) is the cement block at the back door. If that was “staged” you’d think they’d have a ready explanation for it to offer to police. But they didn’t. Also, it would have been easy to make the house look really broken into. But it wasn’t. “No forced entry” police said. So if they were going to stage it, that would have been the first thing to do IMO. Open a window or pry a door open. But they didn’t.
And it’s not because it was “last minute.” It would have been easier to do that then go find some cement block somewhere.
We had a case here in ohio where a 2 year old told what he saw to police. The Bobby Cutts case. He killed his pregnant ex and left the 2 year old alone while he got rid of the body. The little boy told LE that his daddy hit mommy and put her in a blanket(rug).
If JR. saw anything he would have said alot. jmo
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M2C – If someone was going to abduct a child I doubt they would stick around with an adult and another child sleeping to rummage through the house. If they were staging the scene to look like an abduction and they KNEW the back door didn’t stay open on its own, they would have put a block there to keep it open. But I don’t think they would have made it look like a burlary too….that would or should have woken Misty up. They staged it to look like someone crept in alone and used the block (and possibly the laundry for the inside door) to keep the door open so they could sneak back out undetected. But THEY would be the only ones to know the door closed on its own (or someone that had been to that house and used the back door often enough to know that….thus the “inside job” theory.
Someone abducting a child for sinister reasons isn’t going to make a lot of noise digging through cabinets and doors…they want to get in and back out quietly…THAT is how the house was staged….but with some obvious inside knowledge of how the doors work. The fact there is no forced entry also screams inside job….or staged scene.
JB, The thing about cousin Joe in my opinion, He is either completely guilty by taking her or whatever or he had nothing to do with it. I say this because why would Misty go on tv and say that hes been in trouble all ofhis life and she doesn’t trust him if he had helped her dispose of haleigh after an overdose?
M2C – I also think they would say they have no idea where the cement block came from…instead of saying…”Oh, I knew there were a pile of blocks over here so I used one of those”….by saying they had no idea where it came from they were covering their tracks…imo They aren’t going to admit they KNOW how something happened or where things came from….that would make them look guilty. Much easier to say they know nothing…make it look like someone brought the block with them.
methinks…good point…maybe cousin Joe wasn’t involved…or like so many of the comments they’ve all made, as a warning to keep his mouth shut….because if one goes down…they all go down…..a bit like a decapitated rat in the mailbox…a sinister warning not to rat anyone out and to keep their traps SHUT! She threw Tommy under the bus too….but they seem to do that a lot in this family….they fight, hit each other, call each other names, take out restraining orders but then end up living together under the same roof, selling drugs together and telling each other how much they love each other….this is not your normal family by ANY stretch of the imagination!
They’ve all committed so many crimes I think they use that to their advantage to keep the others quiet….sort of a message of I know what you did and if you talk I’ll tell ALL your secrets to LE. As many crimes as they’ve people have committed…that could be a very convincing threat.
JB You said, “this is not your normal family by ANY stretch of the imagination!”
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You can say that again! So I did for you! lol!
I’ve never seen anything like this and pray I never do again.
M2C…yup, and I thought my family reunions were a little strange…these people make my family look like a bunch of June and Ward Cleavers! LOL
Perhaps it is difficult for any of us to rationalize the things these people do or make sense of anything because we don’t come from THEIR world. It all seems very foreign and strange to us but this is a way of life for these people and IS normal for them….imo
For once, I have to agree with Tobias.
Re Jr., the only story that he told that is relevant and possibly reliable, is what he told LE when he was interviewed the night/morning Haleigh went missing. LE have trained people who can obtain statements from children without influences etc. And we have NO idea what he told LE. IMO, the other “adults” should not have been questioning him, and putting him on GR was dumb dumb dumb. If what he told LE that night was the truth, and he subsequently tells other stories, sadly, what Crystal and others did by putting the stories he told them out there, is possibly to seriously discredit his testimony and make him a completely unreliable witness. It’s hard enough to convince a jury a 4 year old is a reliable witness, without them having told an inconsistent story on GR. So, Crystal and Marie may have destroyed the evidence of the one credible eye witness by putting him on GR. But, imo, for some reason, Crystal & Marie never made finding Haleigh their top priority, they were only interested in doing maximum damage to Ron.
Re the kids being drugged, zero evidence of that. That is something I would expect LE would have noticed if true….they spent a fair bit of time with Jr. that night.
JB – I never heard that the place looked like it had been burglarized. I never heard that.
It was a mess, yes. But did R or M say it looked burglarized? I never heard that. Nor that anything was stolen. They never claimed that either.
So again, to say that R or M “staged” this to look like an abduction or burglary – it does not add up. What guilty party would “stage” a locked room mystery?? Makes no sense.
me @ 5:42 pm – I agree.
I personally distrust them ALL. I do not believe that they are so “countrified”, to the point that they don’t “KNOW” anything! It pisses me off… this “game” of not knowing.
ME – yes, LE spent a lot of time with Jr but this was early in the morning so if he seemed tired, that wouldn’t really seem strange to them. I don’t think Misty would have drugged him after that point so all future interviews with Jr would have been with a normal, undrugged child. I have no proof but the fact that he slept as much as he did per Misty AND going on the theory stated previously, it does fit.
I do agree that Crystal and crew should NEVER have had Jr discuss what he saw with anyone other than LE and they should not have been quizzing him. They obviously wanted to pin this on Ron and Misty and run a smear campaign. Crystal wanted out from under the child support….she didn’t show any real desire to be a mother….didn’t know squat about her children, when they went to school, caught the bus, doctor appt’s, etc….her only interest was getting the kids to get a bigger welfare check and to get child support from Ron…at least in my opinion. She was too busy with drugs to be bothered with Haleigh and Jr…until Haleigh went missing….a little late to show concern at that point imo.
JB…you say Misty threw Tommy under the bus????
Are you saying you think Tommy is innocent? That he didn’t commit the B & Es she told LE about?
Misty has pointed the finger at Tommy & Joe from day 1. How can you be so sure neither one of them had anything to do with it?
On the one hand, everyone screams “Misty needs to tell the truth”, but when she does you accuse her of throwing people under the bus. Hmmmm.
But for Misty getting on tv and talking about how people saw Tommy there that night, LE may have never pursued that. It was very shortly after that that LE re-interviewed Tommy & Lindsay. What a shame they didn’t listen to and believe Misty from the get go….I think it would have been prudent for LE to check Tommy & Joe’s vehicles, and to check their clothing to see if it had Haleigh’s DNA on it. Too late now.
JB…LE come across drug affected people every day. When you see people affected by drugs on a regular basis, it becomes very easy to discern who is on drugs and who isn’t. If they even suspected Jr. was drug affected, they would have tested him.
Vaquera – “There was the ac man and neighbors who saw the kids playing after Ron went to work.”
I have been looking for the report from the AC guy and the neighbor(s)of seeing Haleigh after Ron went to work. I did read about Ron’s mom & gma seeing Haleigh. I’m sure I just missed it somewhere but I can’t find it. Could you point me in the right direction? Thanks.
M2C…I guess my point is that if someone TRULY broke in and abducted Haleigh…a door or window WOULD have been tampered with. The fact that a block and the laundry was used illustrates that someone knew the doors closed…someone familiar with the doors put those there…the fact that LE says things in the house point to foul play and an inside job also lead me to believe it was staged. I don’t know what it is LE has but something has lead them to believe it….couple that with my own suspisions and you get a “staged scene”. Again, this is all theory…I have no facts per se’…I’ve only taken the information we KNOW to be true, the comments of all the posters and put it into a theory for us to discuss. I’ve asked for posters to poke holes in the theory…because if they can…then we’re barking up the wrong tree…but so far no one has said anything that would say with any certainty this theory is invalid…not yet anyway! LOL
ME – if you’ve read ALL my posts today you will see that I came up with a theory based on everyones input….and then asked everyone to try and poke holes in the theory. It is only theory…not fact as NONE of us were there that night. We have been trying to disprove the theory and DISCUSS other options, theories. I’m in NO way saying this is EXACTLY what happened…we’re DISCUSSING and throwing out ideas…so don’t get all in my face and get your undies in a bunch…again.
And YES, Misty threw Tommy under the bus as soon as she was arrested….my point being these people turn on each other one minute and then are all lovey dovey the next….they’ve all been hit by buses MULTIPLE times at the hands of their family.
Time for me to go…thank God, just in time for the holier than though police to arrive and start stirring up trouble…attacking people and getting all snippy.
Night all.
As for Misty failing her LDT, according to TM & his crew. We must all remember, that LDTs are basically junk science and that is why they are inadmissible in Court.
Do not forget that Jessica Lunsford’s grandfather (who was asleep in the house when she was taken) failed his and was named a suspect by LE. He was crucified on the internet with everyone calling him a pervert etc. And we all know LE got it very seriously wrong, and in the meantime, Jessica was killed.
Also, Jaycee Duggard’s stepfather was LE’s number one suspect in her disappearance and lived with that for almost 2 decades, and we know they got that wrong. And Jon-Bonet’s mom suffered a similar fate for years, died prematurely, then LE finally admitted their mistake and apologised to her when it was way too late. Just because LE say Misty is the Key, isn’t enough for me to convict her, not even close.
And on that note, I’ve got too much to do today and have to leave here. I hope Haleigh is home safe and sound by the time I return.
JB…I haven’t had time to read all your posts, but the ones I have read, I largely agree with. Sorry if I came across otherwise.
JB @ 5:58 pm – I understand. Also I misunderstood what you said before and I also had wondered long ago what poor Jr was doing all Monday morning while R and M supposedly napped after their late night fight. But maybe he was kept awake by it so he slept or maybe they gave him box of cereal and movie and let him fend for himself poor thing. IDK.
Before I was taking the term “Staged scene” literally. I know LE thinks they found something(s) fishy. But I had not equated it with “staged” so I was just getting tripped up on the terminology. But like “me” said, there have been abductions where it did not look like a break in and I think there may be some more explanations we can think of. I’ll look forward to talking with you again!
To “me” at 6:03 – I don’t give any credibility to any of the tests given in that TM debacle.
I think the tests were improperly conducted to say the least. I’ll go with the results of the LE administered LDT.
JillF @ 5:58 – I haven’t seen anything official about the ac guy or neighbor either. I think maybe LE is keeping the ac guy’s statement quiet. I could be wrong.
About the neighbor, the only thing I know is that one LE spokesperson said once that they were not depending on only witnesses who were relatives. So that gave me the impression they were not depending on GGma Sykes but had someone else (not a relative) who saw Haleigh at some point. But LE was not specific about who that was or what he/she said.
Jason said,
in February 16th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Buddy,
I just watched a replay of an early video in which Ron says he picked up Haleigh at the bus stop, around 3:45 pm.
So, that’s Ron and Teresa saying that Ron picked her up.
Eye-witnesses say Misty picked her up, but – does Misty confirm that?
Ron and Teresa claim Ron picked her up, but Misty and parents at the bus stop say Misty picked her up?
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sorry, Capt Schauland confirmed Ron did indeed pick up Haleigh. TJ said sunday he was on that show too and the capt. said it twice,plus I heard it and also have read the partial transcript where he said it. it was the Mike Gallanos show back in March and the transcript is posted on scared monkeys, and was here but got deleted.
those eye witnesses were inteviewed by AH and Santos has changed his story 3 times, and it doesn’t jive with what her girlfriend said.
JB said,in February 16th, 2010 at 5:31 pm M2C – If someone was going to abduct a child I doubt they would stick around with an adult and another child sleeping to rummage through the house. If they were staging the scene to look like an abduction and they KNEW the back door didn’t stay open on its own, they would have put a block there to keep it open. But I don’t think they would have made it look like a burlary too….that would or should have woken Misty up. They staged it to look like someone crept in alone and used the block (and possibly the laundry for the inside door) to keep the door open so they could sneak back out undetected. But THEY would be the only ones to know the door closed on its own (or someone that had been to that house and used the back door often enough to know that….thus the “inside job” theory.
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But JB, Misty said the light was on. There’s something about this really bothering me but as my brain is going in 100 different directions I will give it a rest for now. Maybe someone else will think of something.
When did Misty first say the kitchen light was on when she woke up? Did she say that in the 911 call? I do not remember. I remember her saying it in her interview but my question is did she mention the light being on without having to be asked (by responding officers?) if it was on?
I can’t think of any reason why an abductor would turn on a light.
Someone stage a scene might be so into this having to be done and that having to be done, that they might just overlook the light being on. So the cops ask about the light being on, since that looks fishy if it was stranger abduction. It could have been left on in error if they staged the scene.
So Misty saying she woke up and noticed the kitchen light on bothers me. Abductor would not have turned on a light. If she had said, instead, that she turned on the light to look for Haleigh, I would have less of a problem with the light being on.
We really need a diagram of the area around the outside of the house.
Has Anyone listened/watched to the new #4 Video between Misty and Dad? It is pretty interesting at the end of the video. TJ has it up now. M talks about that John and Linda, well Linda’s brother is a Sgt at PSCO…interesting…And John, the husband.. is one of Ron’s BFF’s
Sorry, PCSO
I don’t know why people think the inside of the home was staged to look like a burglary. This is the first I’ve heard of that.
The only things I’ve heard about that could be thought of as possibly staged are the cement block outside the door and the mess of laundry by the back door. Am I missing something?
And if the inside was staged, the goof was not in leaving the light on (who would know?). The goof would have been M saying that it should not have been and that she noticed it when she woke up.
As far as the light being on, maybe M left it on by accident when she went to bed.
I do not know what abductors do but if a light is not going to shine directly in the eyes of the sleeping people, it probably won’t wake them up. So turning on that light might illuminate enough to see to get the child and leave. I would guess that an abductor would be ready to either flee or subdue an adult who woke up. It’s a risk but abducting a child is an even bigger one.
Cent:
They can be ignorant in alot of ways, but very cunning in other ways. The Croslin’s are very good at using and fooling people, but we are getting a close-up view of that whole family. I see they do love each other, but they will use and betray each other in a heartbeat. It is survival of the fittest in that family.
Well, if Misty was asleep and someone familiar with the house came in, they would not turn on a light that (from what I understand), would have been shining into the room she slept in–unless they were not expecting her to be at home.
Misty has probably told the truth in a lot of small details: You know like, “The blanket smelled like pee.” She might have re-arranged the timeline, changed the place where the action occurred. It is easier to lie when there is a grain of truth in it because it makes it easier to remember.
I suddenly found myself wondering if maybe she did see the kitchen light on and the back door wide open, but not coming from the bedroom when she saw it. That would take us back to the same old problem of did she leave.
Those FBI dudes are really earning their paycheck on this one.
A child is missing and the statements from the last known person to see her have raised many questions. We are all here thinking out loud, and the idea that the scene might have been staged was mentioned as one possible theory. I see no problem with anyone bringing up something that they feel is not quite right about the whole scenario. It is called a “discussion” and most of us do not expect everyone to agree. That people here might not agree with me does not bother me in the least.
I should have added, but it does seems much more logical that the remark about the light being on was simply a goof-up.
I don’t see the light being on as an issue at all. Why would Misty lie about that? By the time police arrived, all lights would have been on.
It makes sense to me that if the intruder did not bring a flash light with them, they would turn the light on….better than knocking something over and making noise. Plus, if it was Tommy and/or Joe, if Misty woke, they could have given an “innocent” explanation for being in the house.
Karon Cox said,
in February 16th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
Cent:
They can be ignorant in alot of ways, but very cunning in other ways. The Croslin’s are very good at using and fooling people, but we are getting a close-up view of that whole family. I see they do love each other, but they will use and betray each other in a heartbeat. It is survival of the fittest in that family.
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They are all masters of manipulation, and they had to learn that behavior from somewhere, most likely, home. For me, everything starts at home-base!!
cathartic said,in February 16th, 2010 at 8:30 pm I can’t think of any reason why an abductor would turn on a light.
Someone stage a scene might be so into this having to be done and that having to be done, that they might just overlook the light being on. So the cops ask about the light being on, since that looks fishy if it was stranger abduction. It could have been left on in error if they staged the scene.
So Misty saying she woke up and noticed the kitchen light on bothers me. Abductor would not have turned on a light. If she had said, instead, that she turned on the light to look for Haleigh, I would have less of a problem with the light being on.
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It’s possible Haleigh heard a noise, got up thinking her daddy was home from work, turned on the light and surprised someone, an intruder or otherwise, which resulted in her disappearance.
I don’t post much here.
Tonight I did enjoy reading everyone posts.
I think it was Lisa that did the B&E. JMO
The drug deal on 1/12 in Putman… Misty and not sure if it was Ron.
Also on 1/12 it was heard on the scanner
LE was called to the Croslin on a domestic with Lindsey…
The reporting party was calling from Daytona The last name Hayes.
Not sure if it has anything to do with anything. but interesting.
The most creepest part about the B&E was that LE noted…
That several neighbors would often see Tommy
walking up and down the roadway late at night.
That part made me go uhmm.
Thanks again everyone for great posts and some things to ponder. 😉
Tommy seems suspicious to me though I have already said that. My quesion is what if Crystal’s family did take Haleigh,the police find out, what happens next? I mean what kind of trouble are they looking to get for kidnapping their own child and lying to the police and all that?
*question*
tobias said,in February 16th, 2010 at 5:25 pm We had a case here in ohio where a 2 year old told what he saw to police. The Bobby Cutts case. He killed his pregnant ex and left the 2 year old alone while he got rid of the body. The little boy told LE that his daddy hit mommy and put her in a blanket(rug).
If JR. saw anything he would have said alot. jmo
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Tobias – good point, and Jr. knew Misty’s family, had seen cousin Joe, and knew Amber and Nay Nay. If he knew the person who took Haleigh wouldn’t Jr. have told LE their name or said looked like whoever?
With all the bad things being said about the Croslins, I for one find it hard to conceive of any of them — even Misty — committing a pre-meditated act of malice or reckless / depraved indifference. Sure, they act and react all day long with others (and particularly amongst themselves), but that is something I jut don’t envison.
I can, however, envision them being used by an arch manipulator who knows how to punch their buttons. PARTICULARLY Misty.
Some may say that it has been looking pretty damning for Misty lately, but in Misty’s defense it might be arguable that on the first 911 tape she sounds simply sounds sleepy. Somebody said “sedated” recently and it suddenly hit me maybe just plain sleepy might be more accurate.
Then there’s all this blather about comparing that one with the other 911 tape when she was robbed. Waking up at 3am and not taking a situation in real well is a very different thing from suddenly finding yourself hurt in a robbery even in broad daylight.
I believe the only way an abductor would have turned on the kitchen light would have been, if they were armed and knew Misty was there by herself with the kids or knew Misty and Ron weren’t there.
I don’t make so much out of the light being on, because the kids could have gotten up and turned the light on. The door being open is another matter.
Michelle at 10:38 pm – You asked, “if Crystal’s family did take Haleigh,the police find out, what happens next? I mean what kind of trouble are they looking to get for kidnapping their own child and lying to the police and all that?”
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If Crystal herself personally took Haleigh then it might be called “custodial kidnapping.” That’s still a crime. It’s still kidnapping. Then pile on all the other charges of obstruction etc. If someone else did – even a relative of Crystal’s- I’m pretty sure it would be regular kidnapping plus pile on all the other charges.
So it’s still a very serious crime with possibly very lengthy prison sentences (depending on trial, judge, jury etc). But generally speaking it is extremely serious and yes they’d be in a LOT of trouble for it.
Some of the things that are being interpreted as “daming evidence” of M’s guilt or complicity are things that M or R readily said themselves (when LE arrived, I believe). That’s why it does not make sense to me that they (or at least R) staged this.
Why would anyone with one brain cell left “Stage” a scene that shows no forced entry? Why would anyone SAY the light was on – if it should not have been and if it would have woken her up? Why would they say nothing was stolen (except Haleigh of course)?
Why drag a cement block to the back door which adds nothing to show mode of entry or exit?
If it was staged, it is the flat-out dumbest non-staged “staged” scene I’ve ever heard of.
It would make more sense to me to theorize that M had just gotten home and did not have time to stage anything or make up much of a story (this could apply to either that M took Haleigh out where something happened to her or that M left the children alone for a while).
Or, someone else was there earlier in the evening and drugged M and then she woke up and didn’t have time to cover up very well.
Thanks m2c!
Would someone mind letting me know why Misty keeps askig for Cobra?
livnlife, I think she keeps asking because someone once told her Cobra wanted to bail her out. It’s not true but she desperately wants out so she keeps asking about him.
m2c♥, I appreciate your input. You are welcome to poke holes in my theories any time!
Quite frankly, I don’t recall what got me going about the light.
At this moment, I am leaning more towards the idea that Misty was out of it until waking up shortly before Ron was supposed to get home. That may change by tomorrow!
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