I have given this some considerable thought. When push comes to shove, I really don’t give a damn what is thrown at me, I do however get very concerned when people start picking on my wife. As a result I have decided to stop reporting on the Haleigh Cummings case. It has become such a polarized case that it does not matter what is reported, some idiot will still attack us. If we earned the big bucks that people accuse us of, I might shrug it off. However this case represents no revenue and just a whole lot of aggravation.
I have not discussed this decision with Jan, if she wishes to continue with this case, that is her choice. I am so fed up with the whole nonsense that I cannot even be bothered to write an article about some documents supposedly purporting to a foreclosure involving a $million dollar property that a well known lawyer involved in the case apparently is intimately involved with. It just does not matter. I don’t care where she lives.
The justice system is coming down hard on those that they clearly suspect in the case, while I would be far happier knowing that they were behind bars for murder, I take solace in the fact that at least they are behind bars for something. Lets face it, 15 years is a long time. Many killers do not score 15 years! If they all score this magic number could we agree that justice, in a strange way has been meted out?
I have no doubt that this article will be lauded as a victory to the folks that have not agreed with my coverage. Their victory is a hollow one, it will take a few hours before they realize that they need a new target.
Have fun! There are lots of targets out there!
I care about missing people, they can be adult, or just a toddler. They are still missing. Have fun knowing that you likely have changed a caring person into a cynic.
Simon Barrett
527 users commented in " Haleigh Cummings – I Have Had Enough "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackI am not quite sure what to say about this article. I know in our hearts we tried our best to keep Haleigh’s name in the headlines. We care about what happened to Haleigh and you can bet we haven’t covered it for any money like some other money-hungry people have. When we were offered money for help in retrieving tapes we refused to take it because we figured if we can’t do it ourselves then we just can’t.
I love you all that has stood by us in all this mess, and we all know that is exactly what this case has turned into.
I am keeping our forum open and I am going to be leaving a message to everyone in there to read, so if you are a member you can find it there.
Please don’t lose faith in us. I will never give up trying to keep Haleigh’s name out there until she is found one way or another.
God bless you all!
Jan Barrett
I am sorry to hear, Simon, that you think the killer is already behind bars. That’s the whole issue. He/she might not be. And I don’t think LE is so sure of it either (anymore).
I certainly understand about not writing about Haleigh anymore. That’s a choice for you and Jan to make.
But as a long-time reader I can tell you that I’ve never cared about many of the side issues in this case. Only the CASE itself. Perhaps there is some way to stick to that and ignore the abominable behavior of these horrible sideshow freaks?
Wishing you the best no matter what your decision.
Thank You Simon for your time & efforts. I wondered often how you kept going with this story. The people involved in Haleigh’s murder are behind bars. Justice will NOT be served if Misty is sentenced as a minor when this happened. She is the one who killed Haleigh, perhaps accidentally, called her brother and together they dumped the body.
I would plead to a drug charge too before a murder charge.
There really is no more to this story.
I know the road hasnt been easy, Simon. Please DO NOT do this. The people will take it to mean they defeated you. My suggestion. Take the rest of the week off from this and re-group. This just shows how low they can go. Go out to dinner, take a walk. I know I have seen many a tearful day over this case and I wanted to step away, but refuse I have been so angry over the other high profile case that I had to step back or risk having a complete breakdown.
Theres a little girl out there who needs us, all of us. Do not let her down.
Hugs and kisses to you both.
BOLDONE3 – No more to the story? We don’t know the story. We don’t know what happened to Haleigh, if she’s alive or dead, where she is or who is responsible. I pray that one day we will.
Jan and Simon you both have made the best possible effort of anyone and under the most awful conditions to do right by Haleigh. Thank you for that and God bless.
Oh no! This is the only story I write on. The only thing I check on the internet every morning and every night. Please don’t feel defeated by those who obviously have no class and no self-respect! I think everyone can see that they are the ones who are behaving badly. No need to turn it inward upon yourself. Hope you change your mind and let this go.
Lets find Haleigh and bring her home!!! She needs you both! You are her voice….
LadyDay said,
in August 31st, 2010 at 8:04 pm
I know the road hasnt been easy, Simon. Please DO NOT do this. The people will take it to mean they defeated you. My suggestion. Take the rest of the week off from this and re-group. This just shows how low they can go. Go out to dinner, take a walk. I know I have seen many a tearful day over this case and I wanted to step away, but refuse I have been so angry over the other high profile case that I had to step back or risk having a complete breakdown.
Theres a little girl out there who needs us, all of us. Do not let her down.
Hugs and kisses to you both
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Well said and I agree.
Simon, whether you stop the Haleigh case reporting or sometime in the future decide to pick it up again I applaud you. I admire any man who puts his wife and life above the criticisms and attacks from asses. You two have taken much undeserved abuse.
Regardless, you have been faithful for 19 months of keeping Haleigh’s name in others hearts and minds. You have done a great service. Thank you!!!!!
Thank you Jan and Simon for all you have done to keep Haleigh’s name out there.
I find it sad that these drama mongers have forced this decision. The truth will come out-but as far as I can see you folks have done nothing wrong.
We can still discuss the case in the forum.
God bless you both!
Wow. I really watch myself on trying to be politcally correct here, but enough is enough. How on earth have so many people been so deceived by such….. well, hell, can’t do it. Ok, THESE PEOPLE, the ones who hurt Haleigh ARE BRIGHTER THAN LE? Please!!!!!!!!!!!! Something is very, very wrong here!!!
LadyDay said,
in August 31st, 2010 at 8:04 pm
I know the road hasnt been easy, Simon. Please DO NOT do this. The people will take it to mean they defeated you. My suggestion. Take the rest of the week off from this and re-group. This just shows how low they can go. Go out to dinner, take a walk. I know I have seen many a tearful day over this case and I wanted to step away, but refuse I have been so angry over the other high profile case that I had to step back or risk having a complete breakdown.
Theres a little girl out there who needs us, all of us. Do not let her down.
Hugs and kisses to you both.
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I have to agree with you, LadyDay.
I can’t imagine how awful it is to have a bunch of immature morons tossing insults that are not only unfounded, but belong on a playground in an elementary school.
This is the only site that has kept HaLeigh’s name alive for the past 18 months. I have long feared once the sentencing is over, HaLeigh’s name will totally disappear all together if not for BNN. If her case is dropped from HERE, then what? She will be forgotten for all intents and purposes? 🙁
No matter what is decided, I do thank both Simon and Jan for everything they have done for HaLeigh, her family and for us.
So KIM P wins again.
I was really rooting for Haleigh and the coverage that was given on BNN by Simon and Jan!
I don’t see how every one is letting this woman take over the forums.
It sad day for Haleigh has another site is shut down.
Jan, Simon…what can I say except to add along with the other commentors that BNN is the ONLY site that has carried the Haleigh Cummings case for us..where we can come on here and comment along with you two.
I can certainly understand that those who have attacked you are now jumping for joy at your decision to end the HC case.
I can also understand how you both are feeling now since you have been advocates for the missing/abused and murdered children we read about each day in the news and on the telly.
Might I suggest that you take some time off and get away from the show..and the news letter you put out for us almost on a daily basis. Perhaps a little time for yourselves would be the best medicine….walking on the beach, or a nice quiet country lane would be perfect.
Please, oh please reconsider your decision. If only for this child who needs justice served for her…..even if her own family dosen’t care if she gets it or now.
Please don’t let those who attacked you win….please don’t let that happen.
As sad as I am to hear this Simon, I completely understand. Your last sentence actually hit home quite well, “you likely have changed a caring person into a cynic” and I think that is the saddest part of it all. I recently had an opinion on something someplace else. I thought those in attendance had the same empathies, care and concern as I did but I was wrong. Instead I was attacked and criticized for my words, education, beliefs and care. It about killed my spirit. It wasn’t until I stepped back and allowed the cruel insults to filter through my logical mind that I was able to just back away and retain my same values and empathies that make me who I am…for my own sanity.
I hope that you will return with updates at some time in the future. I always hoped that I would be reading about Haleigh’s recovery on this very blog. I know that you have helped keep her name alive. I also know that helping to find a missing person involves a lot of time to get to the justice. I have always thought that if I won the lottery, that my money would go to help find closure for families with missing loved ones (just my own personal wish).
Blessings to you in whatever you do.
Simon, I wouldn’t worry about the money thing. Here’s why. Trish at Websleuth’s charges her members THIRTYFIVE DOLLARS to remove the ads if they don’t want to see them everyday other wise, they just have to deal with them. KP is a member there under the hat Jericho. Doesn’t bother her much there.
I really hate to see you let them win. I think Radio Newz had a lot to do with this Flame War. It’s all good, because after you are gone, she will be turning on someone new with her new side Kick..”Ms. Big Nose in Need of Plastic Surgery”
It was “Ms. Big Nose in need of Plastic Surgery” who took the picture from your Facebook and gave it to John G. That woman is shameless.
I will still read your other commentary.
Take care of you and Jan.
I am always happy when I see the people who generally lurk, pop out to support Simon and Jan when there is something like this going on.
It happened the other day, and already I am seeing a few new names.
It just goes to show that these HaLeigh articles ARE read. HaLeigh is important to SO MANY PEOPLE. Even if these people do not comment. They read what is going on.
The people who have attacked Simon and Jan will NEVER win. Those people are hateful and sick inside. Hatred eats a person up. It’s a sickness. They may think they won right now, but they will never actually win. And do not count the chickens before they hatched. No one is gone anywhere YET.
Wow, Simon. I am really very sorry that your have made this decision. However, who needs people that cannot control themselves over and over again. It’s like a merry go round. I’ve seen some of the comments toward you and Jan and I just shake my head. Jan is awesome and a sweetheart. You all seem somewhat opposite that probably makes your relationship interesting. We all have a right to our opinion but a person can get their thoughts across and still be respectful.
I am floored that you have made this decision but as an owner of a website for the murdered and missing, I know how some people can be. I don’t tolerate disrespect and neither should you. Words hurt.
You’ve worked you arse off and this is so wrong. I truly feel for you!
Blessings to you, Simon
SIMON!.Whoah whoah whoah SIMON…
You and Jan are about the only people NOT making money of this case. To be truthful..so let that one go.
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Tricia
Simon, We all know what a beautiful and loving person Jan is and that you both care more about Haleigh then those who are close to case. If you give up now, they win and where is the Justice for Haleigh! I know you are doing what you feel is right for your family & I respect that but your commentary will be missed!
Hugs to both of you!
I make zero money on my website. I have no clue if WS or SM or The Hinkey Meter do and don’t care.
All we care about is HaLeigh. Where is she? What happened? There are so many missing children and I know that Jan in particular, posts articles on many missing and murdered children.
This is Not about money..this is about people that are completely disrespectful to two people that bust their butt to help others. Whatever decision you make, Simon, I completely understand.
Wrap it up,
Simon was accused of making money off of this case with this site..(which I know he isn’t) I was trying to make him feel a little better.
Thank you.
Jan and Simon,
Take a break long as you both need but that’s what they want you both to do is stop. Don’t let them win. We got to keep on keeping on finding Haleigh and ALL the other kids that’s missing. I support you both 110%. I know you all have not made a dime off Haleigh nor any other child. I hope you don’t give up on keeping us updated on this case but i respect your decision also.We have all got to stand together to get justice for ALL our children.The good will out way the bad peeps. Let your heart guide you cause it want fail!!
Repectfully, AnneInTn
If you don’t think Radio News is getting her jollies off over this go count her LMAO she is making on her forum, right now.
Funny, she was after Levi Page a few months ago….and now they are on speaking terms..
Now…Well you know the rest of the story.
MAY GOD KEEP YOU IN HIS HANDS.
Hello Simon & Jan,
I think that you are both great, and I really enjoy you. I know that what you do is more for us than it is for you. The two of you have put in a lot of effort in keeping us abreast with news worthy events. I feel that everyone responsible for little Haleigh’s death are already incarcerated. I feel that the person responsible for little Caylee’s death is already incarcerated. The one thing that I wish would stop by all media is ANY coverage of Cindy and George Anthony. They LOVE it. Let’s not feed into them. Blessing to the two of you. You have provided us all with a great service.
Im shocked that this would even be a topic! Who concerns themselves with other people’s business about their income? No one that I know. It is tactless and represents a fool!
I don’t see where any explanation of where you derive your income is anyone’s business at all. Tell me what that has to do with Haleigh? Nothing! I see no illegal activity that you would need to report on this. I think KP is probably so used to scamming money off clients, that she either thinks everyone else does it, or she is jealous that someone has the spotlight other than her. (I imagine its a lot of both).
I say giving her no attention is best. Remember, a while back, someone said,
“Don’t feed the Monster”. Well, that holds true now. “Don’t feed the Monster”. That goes for their narcissistic ego and their attention seeking behavior. Both will destroy the monster all on its own.
Not commenting on Haleigh will only encourage and allow the monster to continue, and be fueled by those who are easily entertained.
Jan and Simon,
Here is a suggestion-
You do not screen the blog, so save yourself reading the hate mail. Let the vile blog. We agree to ignore the vile ( I have to admit though, I do get a laugh out of it, even if it is directed at me, because these people are so absurd it is funny) and the vile will eventually get bored and go on to another site.
you and Jan are taking this too personally, and that is exactly why the vile will not leave….they are getting a rise out of you, and getting their Jollies from eliciting emotion. And my goodness…you are QUITING!!!
Their mission is accomplished.
No way would I feel that justice has been served in some strange way. Ya 15 years is a long time, but a beautiful child is dead and that is a fact. Try life without parole for those involved and then justice will be served in the correct way. All those involved should spend a 100 years in prison for everyday that they took from that precious little girl. It is very frustrating and it makes me crazy to know that they might never find out what happened to Heighlie. Now that they will all be sentenced to there 15 years we will never get the truth about what happened considering they have nothing to nagotiate with. They need to give that scum Misty the full 225 years and stick with it until she talks. After she tells what really happened they should offer her 25 years with a chance of getting out after she served a minimum of 25. I would be satisfied with that just to know where Heighlie is and what happened to her.
While I hate to see it happen, I do understand. You can’t let this consume your entire life. You have done everything humanly possible to keep Haleigh’s name out there. We just have to hope & pray they find her soon & find out the truth.
It’s obvious it hurts you to see Jan’s heart broken over & over again.
Jan, it’s your desision. Don’t be concerned what others think. You need your health & sanity. As you said, we have the forum.
I’d be lying if I said it didn’t bother me, but only because, (and I mean no disrespect to you posting this here) HE said his main goal was & is to see BNN shut down. Yes, that bothers me.
I just don’t understand why.
I agree that we really dont know what happened that night, and probably never will. Much like other high profile, unresolved cases (Jonbenet Ramsey), this one will naw at us….. probably for life.
I may have missed part of what is going on, but Simon and Jan please reconsider for us that come here to comment and just talk about the case,and listen to the radio panel,trying to find or get justice for HaLeigh, she needs all of us, and you are the vehicle that we need for this ride, I know you don’t let down easy Simon, so please don’t let this be the time.
The blogging world is not kind….. I remember a few months ago questioning the credentials of a panel “expert” on BNN.. I truly wish taking pot shots regarding my physical appearance was the worst he had to say about me, but it didn’t stop there… he took my post and put it on his main website page and then had the unmitigated liberty to defame me in every manner that is most important in my life RE motherhood, my family, my marriage, my career, my education… Never in my life has one been so cruel, judgemental and completely wrong when talking of me or my life, and this person didn’t know me from Adam, I was attacked because I just had some questions….
I made a decision to take the high road (after a bit of whining) because I knew he was so very wrong, and I truly believe in time he also realized what he did was unethical in every way.
If my husband would have read what was written about me, it still would not be over, he would not have let the harm and vicious words be written without a fight from every legal, intellectual or any other manner to protect me.. So yes, I understand, I respect Simon’s support of his wife.. however I hope once the emotional pain and frustration has subsided, you will follow your convictions. And those convictions are what you hold true to your heart and soul and is absolutely no one else’s’ business other than what is best for you Simon and Jan.
Whatever you decide is best for you, I wish you both the best in all your future endeavors.
Here I go back out on that limb but someone has to say it.The problem is Jan and Simon can’t seem to get away fro the BS from the other sites. Haleigh and other missing children are the reason they are here. Jan stated the last time all of this was brought here that she does not wander over to the other sights. It seems she can not get away from the bad stuff said. Everything has been going along fairly well and then again tonight at 5:59 it is another mention of another new SLAP to our hosts faces. Why does anyone do this? Obviously they, Jan and Simon do not want any of this BS discussed here. They do not want it to distract from their causes. Yet here again their very own lyol followers bring it up as a topic “off topic” , On any other site she can and does choose not to read. When it is brought from the other sites to here she just can’t ignore this crap.
I think this hurts Jan more than the negative comments on any other site. Her bloggers are giving her nemesis a stage. They are bringing the nasty stuff over to Jan and Simon’s “home”
They have stated they do not want this site or themselves invaded with this. With no control comes no choice. Shut it down or be forced to see what they choose not to see and then defend themselves right here at “home”
I am truly sorry that some people just did not understand your feelings and your message and leave the other garbage at the other sites.
Sorry for you , Simon and Jan and very sorry for Haliegh. She was lucky to have you both as a voice for justice, Lets all pray that it will be done, cause I for one do not believe it has yet.AJMO and I am sorry if any take offence
wrapitup said,
in August 31st, 2010 at 9:37 pm
I make zero money on my website. I have no clue if WS or SM or The Hinkey Meter do and don’t care.
All we care about is HaLeigh. Where is she? What happened? There are so many missing children and I know that Jan in particular, posts articles on many missing and murdered children.
This is Not about money..this is about people that are completely disrespectful to two people that bust their butt to help others. Whatever decision you make, Simon, I completely understand.
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I don’t know if Tricia or Red are getting rich either, but both sites are full of ads and them hawking merchandise and I’ve never seen anyone ever asl them of they were making money off the backs of missing children/adults and most of the same people post on those boards..hypocrisy much?
*ask them if they are making money..
All I’ve been doing tonight is correcting my typing LOL
sorry for the typos
BarbinOhio, I agree. No More Please. I don’t care to read that garbage. I don’t even want to know about it. Im sorry it hurt those who are here for Haleigh. But, lets get past it and move forward.
Lets just talk about Haleigh!!!
I am so sorry to see this happen I had not enough time to catch up on all the info of this case but have been read here the past few weeks and had just been approve to join the forum …again thank you, Jan for that.
This is the craziest mess I have ever seen….I don’t know quit what to say, but please do not let them win. This story has not finish playing out and we all have more to find out…..
Take heart and gather your strength and don’t give up on Haleigh.
Simon i understand and support your decision though i am disappointed because this is the only site i turn to for news on haleigh. i have no idea what tje other folks have been saying about you or jan because i dont go there. my motto has been “bnn…why blog anywhere else?”
JenM said,in August 31st, 2010 at 10:55 pm
I think that is what Jan and Simon were hoping for after the last time, but alas it seems to be far from possible for them to have their wishes and feelings respected. They want this site to be about their causes. When stuff came back again this evening, mentioning another article from another site, they obviously felt it is not going to stop. I understand their feelings I just wish everyone else here had.
I have no clue what KP is doing. I heard she was representing Lisa Croslin but then LC was missing? What is up with that? Where is Lisa now? I detest the politics. All it does is create animosity and arguments. Who cares what KP is doing? The only way I would care is if she found HaLeigh – THEN let’s talk.
Simon, I truly feel for you. You are making a tough decision and I know deep down all you want is for HaLeigh to be found and get to the bottom of what happened that night.
If some people are saying you are being paid..let them say it. YOU and Jan know the truth. I hate to see two decent folks getting burnt like this.
OMG, did I copy more than I needed? I was trying to quote Vaquera. Can you fix it? This is what happens when I take care of my 13-1/2 mo old grandson all day. I am pooped!! SO Sorry!
I understand your position to not follow the missing child,Haleigh. Forum wars is not the answer to finding her. Each forum working together could contribute a small link to her discovery. That’s all we’ve ever wanted. God Bless You.
I don’t know if this message will get posted, but I would like to say, I will feel the loss of your coverage. As I’ve said before, you two have been my go-to’s for information on Haleigh’s case. Since I don’t follow any of the real World Wide Village idiots very closely, I’m sure I don’t fully understand the extent of the mud that’s been slung. I do recall–and posted a short reply about–the stupid remarks made by Legal Eagle/Dumb Bunny Kim P. I don’t know if it will help, but I think it’s valuable to keep in mind that many who appear on t.v. and radio don’t even *believe* 75% of what they indiscriminately spew. They are simply giving the people a circus to gawk at.
As in the past, your family must do what’s healthiest for its members. Good luck and thanks for all you’ve done.
Simon & Jan….I hope you both reconsider. Your coverage is all I ever hear about poor little Haleigh. I really don’t know what this is all about (and don’t need to) but I’m hoping little Haleigh doesn’t get forgotten. You both have a wonderful program and guests and would be sorely missed. Thanks for all you do.
In all sincere honesty, the games some of these people are playing are going to be getting them into some dangerous waters pretty soon if not already. People are going to be kissed up to(has already started), will be promised all kinds of dangling carrots, but when it gets down to the nitty gritty of it all, these same people are going to be so used and yes, they will be chewed up and spit out like a nothing. It will be like a domino effect. They wont be worth the spit polish off of somebody eles boots. The only winner in the long run of this will be the media corporations-and the big guns as we know them, the rest; their lives will be in ruin and nobody will touch them with a 100 ft pole ever again. I will sit back and watch it unfold as it is doing now and I will smile because this is the way it goes in life when somebody is haughty and greedy. I know the entertainment business, have for over 25 years. You have to be one tough sob to start off to even get to the bottom rung before you even start to climb and to know all the pratfalls and games that are played on a consistant basis. You reap what you sow, but when you assininate, hurt and injure, dont think nobody is paying attention. The circle when one is filled with vindictiveness comes back 100 fold. It could take 5 minutes, 5 years or 25 years, but in this instance, it will be swift and have a domino effect. These people do not care about Haleigh, they care to make a name for themselves and they will stop at nothing to reach whatever fame they think is attached to this tragic situation.
There was once a very famous country singer by the name of Tammy Wynette. She struggled to make something for herself, when she first started out she had a big thorn in her side. Her husband at the time was so full of hate and thought he had her under his thumb, completely controlled her. He demanded she stop her aspirations and wanted her back home where he thought she belonged since he couldnt make on his own as a musician. He told her she was a pipe dreamer, that she had no talent and to Dream On. When she got to The Grand Ole Opry for the first time, she signed her autographed photo to him, sitting in the front row. Her parting shot:
‘Dream On, Baby’ and she left him. And thats what my final parting shot is to these big pipe dreamers who think by attaching themselves to a certain correspondent; that they will reap some sort of star status…Dream On, Baby. It aint going to happen, not in your lifetime. No how, no way, No If Ands or Buts about it.
Goodnight. Always think good thoughts, Especially about Haleigh.
wrapitup said,
in August 31st, 2010 at 11:29 pm
OMG, did I copy more than I needed? I was trying to quote Vaquera. Can you fix it? This is what happens when I take care of my 13-1/2 mo old grandson all day. I am pooped!! SO Sorry!
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LOL, I do that all the time and run screaming to Jan to fix it..she said it goes into moderation though you can see it I can’t. 😀
I guess it goes into moderation because it’s soooooooooo long, LOL
Simon, thank you so much for bringing great info on this case and these people to us, I really looked forward to and enjoyed with my husband following all the excellent coverage, we both appreciate all your efforts!
I, too, had a non profit site. Between all of the murders I didn’t choose to follow, because of the recession (or whatever) and all of those killing their families off… I got fed up with the nit picking of some of my members. In fact, that was the final straw.
If you can hang in there, just block your adversaries and ignore the BS.
I truly understand your agony.
Niki Hunter (aka Cloey)
I follow many cases, including Haleigh’s. Thanks for you and Jan’s input.
Wow! I am sorry that you guys are being portrayed in such a negative light. I for one had not really heard anything lately. Maybe I just don’t read/blog in the other sites. I am at WS, visit AH when he has info, read Levi from time to time, and stop by here..
I for one can back Simon up with the money. I recall that I myself wanted to start something up so that we could get these audios and Simon and Jan said “NO”.
No money…they would do what they could do and I respected them for that.
It is really sad and petty that people can’t get along. I am not a reporter/journalist/or writer so maybe I am missing something. I just don’t get it.
Simon I respect and understand your decision to not want to keep continuing to keep Haleigh’s name out there. But in my heart I know you and Jan will give a little update or just mention her name here or there to keep her name out there.
Right now that is pretty much all the public can do.
LE is being very hush hush about this case,, and if there is nothing to report. Well then there is nothing to report. But Haleigh remains missing and loved by many.
I really hope and pray that all the bickering will stop, what is it going to accomplish?
I have been following the Haleigh case since day one and there have been a lot of Major Media outlets that have also mis-reported, especially early on. It happens, either by mistake or getting information from non-creditable sources. But they move on, correct their mistakes and keep reporting. I feel the problem here is some of the bloggers that don’t have anything better to do than to insult you and some of the people who read here. I am one of them. I give my opinion and people will just attack with words of hatred.
I brush them off Simon and Jan because they are not worth it.
What will happen if this continues? The war of words is going to effect Haleigh the most because she is the one that is getting lost in all this mud-slinging.
I understand that we get mad and upset when others say things about us or our love ones. I have read some pretty mean things that are said about Jan, it was hurtful for me to read and I don’t even know her. I could understand how you are both feeling. People need to think before they print/blog/write about others and say hurtful things.
The big picture here is that a 5 yr old child is missing and LE feels she is dead. For LE to make that statement they must have something creditable. Lets pray that the piece of the puzzle they are missing is found soon.
On another note: Donna Brock will be in court today, lets hope she had something good to bring to the table regarding Haleigh.
BROCK, DONNA MICHELLE (1965) Defendant 10000130CFMA
9/1/2010 1:30:00 PM FELONY SENTENCING BERGER, WENDY W Courtroom 328
http://doris.clk.co.st-johns.fl.us/courtcaseweb/CaseDetail.aspx?txt=BROCK%2c+donna&ps=50&m=name&s=4&caseid=192641
Wow is all I can say.
Imo, Haleighs name will be back on BNN after a break…I guess we will see.
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I hope folks who push, pull and drag the ‘gossip junk’ over here and post it and get it attention are happy. Imo, this action helped grind this thing here at bnn to a halt.
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This post could get looooooong if it is our last. Get your dsl modems warmed up. 🙂
Just like Cobra said anything to do with this case bites ya in the ass.I’ll miss you but I sure understand.I would like to hear Cobra;s thought on this… I can hear him… hell yeah man… you did all you could!!!!! now let it go.Get to the next case, with all respect I’ll miss the truth!!!I’m glade to know my faith was with you two and not some wack job!Life is to short to be stressed without a pay check and it’s the BETTER man that will back off and just walk away that is you Simon
I really don’t see the point of you guys backing off of this case. To be perfectly honest, I do not even know who you are talking about nor do I care who they are or what they have said. All I know is that I am in Chicago and this is the ONLY site I can find credible information regarding this case. Please reconsider.
I really don’t know who’s doing the attacking and what they are saying , but Simon and Jan you are old enough to remember to ole saying “sticks and stones” !!! As long as you stay honest with yourselves and the readers of BNN , why would you care what others are saying ???!!! IMHO those who personally attack someone with nothing but words have their own personal issues and always want to bring others down !!! I certainly don’t hide with a different username in other blogs and people HAVE tried to personally attack me but I just laugh it off because they really don’t personally know me !!! I know everyone doesn’t like what or how I say things , but it’s always my honest opinion !!! I too believe those responsible for Haleigh’s murder are going to prison for a very long time if only it’s for drug dealing !!! I can only hope that prison justice is done unto them from other inmates !!! Maybe with the time in prison and the older they get , their conscience will bleed and the truth will come out in the end !!! Simon and Jan , I do respect your thoughts on this case and your decision if you stop writing about it and always wish the best !!!
Simon,anJan,I understand.Watch an wait.Those who have been on the attack.Will fall publicly.
God isnt pleased with what hss happened here.An God says Vengence is his.That he will repay.This weapon(attack) against you.They will not peosper from it.
I do hope you will change your minds.But if not i undersand .
God Bless both of you.
Well, I happen to beleive that those responsible for Haleigh’s dissappearance are NOT in jail and are running free.
I thought we were supposed to seek the truth???
We don’t know what the truth is yet, and we are giving up? Why? This is not fair to Haleigh!!
Sorry I like to make the analogy’s, but I see this the same as MC and TC getting beaten down by the system and the media. S and J, please don’t let this happen to you too. Don’t give up and let them get away with this.
I understand that being under the microscope, just like MC and TC were can push you over the edge and place you in a vunerable spot, so I understand wanting to protect yourself!
Ive said before that I have to question why someone would work so hard to keep the focus on MC and TC and what their motives are, and now I have to question the same here as to certain people’s motives behind why they are doing what they do. I think we all can see this.
I hope you change your mind, but I do understand wanting to protect yourselves from those out there that have pure evil in their heart, all the while claiming their greatness and that their motives were good.
I really don’t know what to say… I knew the other day when Simon pointed out a particular poster that had been attacking, I knew then that our days of asking certain unanswered questions where numbered and was why I made the choice then to become silent on the board and not the forum. In 18 months I have seen many destroyed or shut down in connection to this case and have been a victim myself of many hateful persons.
Jan, I will be in the Forum every day that I can to continue our search for those answers that WILL find HALeigh.
By the way, If HaLeigh was dead we would not have had the circus come to town! We would not have been witness to months and months of a family fighting over these children. We would not be still in the proverbial place that we have been TOLD to be in and that is in the dark and Simon and Jan would not of been forced to make this decision.
HaLeigh is alive, Simon and that is the only reason this BS has went this far for this long.
IMO it will take a clever cop to catch this clever criminal and that is not who is behind bars. That sting IMO didn’t require to much brilliance (or out side the box tactics) to pull all the obtuse that are behind bars now.
Jan & Simon,
I went to bed last night hoping this would be a nightmare that I would awake from, sadly it is not. When I prayed last night you both were in my prayers for God to shed his warming light upon you and help you see what is the best corse of action in this case for you.
Even with the clues given on site I have not figured out who this person is but it really doesn’t matter anymore. I am in California and I follow Haleigh & Caylee’s cases on this site
you don’t force one opinion down our throats or ask us to drink the Kool-Aid!
Please reconsider, if not for us for the Justice Haleigh so deserves! Alex
I clicked on here today to see this new article. It honestly brought tears. I do understand and respect you both. I am sorry that these wicked people would attack such wonderful people as you and Jan.
There motive is to have you stop reporting on Haleighs case. I ask you to please not surrender to the wiles of Satan. He does not like the truth to be exposed. Haleigh needs the Truth and Justice to be heard.The true FACT is if you and Jan stop reporting on this case then Haleigh has lost the most compassionate advocates that she has. We, the BNN family know as well as yourselves that you have no other agendas, but to help bring Justice and closure for a beautiful little girl that is most deserved.
My heart and prayers go out to you both.
I can’t beleive what I am reading. This is and was my only source for info on Haleigh and the players connected to her. No one else reports anything about her. I do understand your decision, but gosh will miss your articles and comments, plus the Sunday updates. Simon and Jan, be well and thank you for all you have done:( It’s another sad day for Haleigh.
I am saddened that it has come to this. When I found BNN I was grateful that I could read an article about the case and not self promotion. I can tell from your articles that you both truly care what happened to this child. Thank you for all your good work and for what it is worth I wish you would keep it up.
God Bless
Simon and Jan —
Whatever your decision is regarding Haleigh’s case, don’t let the b@stards get you down!
How pathetic your critics’ lives must be if all their time is being used to try to destroy you and your work here at BNN.
Really… and I thought this whole time it was about justice for Haleigh not Simons pride. And on to the next one.
shayshay – this has NOTHING to do with pride and EVERYTHING to do with sanity! We bloggers get our feelings hurt all the time for the most simple of comments. Think about what Jan and Simon deal with day in and day out. They’ve gotten close to many people involved in this case. They’ve sunk their hearts, souls and own money into keeping this story alive and yet they are bashed, battered and abused for it.
I don’t blame Simon one bit. None of us have ANY idea what Simon and Jan deal with on a daily basis. We only see a small part of the issues they deal with. People leave blogs every day for a fraction of what is dealt out to Simon and Jan over this case. WHY aren’t Simon and Jan allowed the same “escape”? It is NOT a pride issue shayshay! And you are SELFISH and SELF SERVING to think it is! It is always about what Jan and Simon can do for us or others! WHAT ABOUT THEM AND THEIR SANITY????? SHEEESH! 👿
Broward county clerk of courts has all the forclosures. Very interesting, I love to dig for info. Thank you. jmo
For crying out loud get over it. I just updated myself on what is going on and this is just plain stupid. Who cares about what a few people say or do when you have 99.9% of the populatiion behind you. To be honest with you I just want to hear about Haleigh and give two hoots about all the other bull. Ya let that .1% win and stop putting this precious little girls name out there. Are you serious? Sorry about what is being said, but talk is cheap. Get on with finding Haleigh and getting her name out there. If we all stopped what we were doing just because some idiot said things we did’nt like we all would be in serios trouble. Let it go and forget about them losers.
I am going to miss your articles and radio shows about Haleigh. This is the only place I read for Haleigh information.
I was not even aware bloggers have been bashing you and Jan.
Hope you reconsider.
Regards,
KP
Simon, While I understand what you are doing I hope you reconsider. If not, then once again evil WINS and the weak are trampled and tossed to the wayside. Haleigh deserves our help no matter what BS the evil ones toss our way. Without your articles how will Haleigh’s name be kept out to the public?
It saddens me how these evil ones, and yes they are evil to pull this BS on the back of an innocent child, seem to win, over and over and over again.
Where is the justice in that?
I am alone. ‘Lost in the world.
I wonder does anyone recall what its like to see me smile?
Does my name bring Joy to those that will remeber me?
Will my light shine on after the night time falls?
Can anyone understand that I am scared.
Will someone stand up and fight for me?
I’m lost in the shadow’s of time and been here too long.
Please dont forget me I Need you to come and find me.
Please dont let the darkness fall upon me again tonight without anyone to care,
I am Lost and Want to go home.
Thank you Jan and Simon for trying to help find Haleigh God Bless her little heart and may The Lord wrap you in his arms and give you the guildess needed to finish this task you have been handed in Life
Wow Lana are you that stupid that you actually thought I meant 99.9% of the world’s population. Well I guess I’ll have to explain what I meant to you. 99.9% of the people who follow this case. So now I guess you will have to get real. Besides are you that petty that you would even post such an absurd comment. Must be your one of those .1% that like to poke and prod the smallest little things in others comments. Anyways who really cares about all that when all we care about is the truth behind Haleighs disappearance?
Lana, I believe that Haleigh DESERVES to have her name put out to the public whenever, wherever, and as much as possible. Do you see any other reputable media putting Haleigh’s name out there on any kind of a regular basis? No you don’t because there isn’t any.
I think maybe if you don’t appreciate the value that Simon and Jan’s articles contribute to keeping Haleigh’s name out there, then maybe it is YOU that needs the reality check. Maybe you can get it from the evil ones. I am sure they’d be more then happy to help you out.
Lana, maybe a “morality check” is in order for you?
Why are you here? If you dont like this site why come here? Does it make you feel good to attack others who post here? Get help…. jmo
Lana said,
in September 1st, 2010 at 11:26 am
WhyLie, do yo really think without these articles HaLeigh’s name will just disappear?
Perhaps you need a reality check.
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Yea, pretty much. Sometimes Simon’s articles are the only ones on google news for weeks and weeks.
Well lol i have known Lisa,an Hank for a yr.
I would just love to see the urine screen.KP can post it with Lisas consent.LOL but Kp has tucked her tail an dissappeared.To leave the rest of Gossip mongers to feel as shes done some service.
I begeg to differ.It all about her wanting to be back in this case,that her former client didnt want her in,anymore.
Lana your just someone following the gossip trail..Silly Laden wemon,Busybodies is what God calls wemon like you.
The truth will eventualy come out.Im sure the PO has her drug screen by now,at least he has been made aware of it.
It will be his call in how he handles it.Putnam has been letting the drug issue go for yrs,it seems.At least it now being worked on.
So if nothing else HaLiegh going missing may be reason enough now to clean that town up..
Oops, I hit Post before I was finished.
Lana, Jan and Simon kept this story going thru all the dry spells, and when others who worship fame and the almighty dollar were running off chasing rumors about Michael Jackson’s death, for example.
They posted articles about Haleigh and other missing children LONG before anyone ever heard of S Watts-his-name or Little Levi and while others were still in the depths of obscurity where they belong.
Sure, without Jan and Simon, Haleigh’s name will stay out there – as long as it’s in the interests of the people reporting on it. Jan and Simon stick with it for Haleigh’s sake, not their own.
I do have to say that I read different sites every morning to see if there is an update with Haleigh. This site is one of the most common sites that I tend to visit. I’m sorry to hear that you all are going to discontinue covering Haleigh. Her story is very tragic. As mentioned several times, it seems like several people go under the gun when they post blogs about this case. Cobra had to deal with a bunch of crap and I remember reading where Art Harris was attacked in interviews as well. Everyone has their own views and opinions and I just read them all to come up with my own opinions. I wish they would just solve this case. I think all the individuals who were involved are behind bars. They keep ditching the blame on Joe, but then again everyone needs to remember how much lying we have had to read over a year now. He’s another scapegoat in my opinion. There seems to be a common writer that I read here and there that claims they are from the area and that the word from the locals is on how Haleigh OD’d and they ditched the body in a panic. So this is another possibility to consider, on top of Joe, on top of Haleigh was abducted. Why don’t they just talk to Jr some more and let a child psychologist help figure out what he knows. He was there. He is the key. No matter how much threatening and lying there has been. I wish you all would reconsider and continue covering this, but I do understand that you all are going through the backlash of jerks that we all encounter. Take care and thank you for your reports and efforts.
tobias said,
in September 1st, 2010 at 10:33 am
Broward county clerk of courts has all the forclosures. Very interesting, I love to dig for info. Thank you. jmo
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Did you check out the rest of the stuff besides the foreclosures?? 😉
I can’t believe the fools are coming out now. Just like a bully they have to trash others to feel good about themselves. Not satisfied that you got Simon and Jan out of the way? I still don’t see why those people felt it necessary to attack the work that Simon and Jan have done and also attack them personally. What has that really accomplished in this case? Has it brought anyone closer to finding Haliegh? Are you proud of yourselves now Bessie, shayshay, and Lana?
Just more of the way it has been from the beginning. A concerted effort to take the focus off of finding Haleigh.
VAQ, pm them to me if you would or a clue of whatto look for. I put what I found on the forum site.jmo
tobias, I will do that later this afternoon, it’s been a while since I dug into that mess. I have some work to finish right now.
I have to run.I haave been real sick this week.I have to see 3 DRs back to back today.
so ill BBL
To see if Donna get the same as the rest in sentencing.Im sure shes part of the reason MC had pills to sell.AN SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER AT 44.
Lets be honest here.. When I google for new info on Haleigh.. This is about the only one site, that ever comes up with news and articles.. Many details on the Haleigh case have come from here in Simon and Jan’s articles.. So, we could argue percentages.. But, if you google right now, this is the only current article written that mentions Haleigh.. the rest of the forums are either gathering items for the well-being of Lisa, or bashing others.. Nothing on Haleigh.. she seems to slip more into the vague shadows again..
So, when these articles stop.. And people can no longer drop in to give a comment or two.. I know I will, for one.. miss these opportunities.
Do I blame Simon or Jan.. Heck no, the abuse that is being dished out is outrageous.. And I do hope those who bash, and do their best to harm and malign, remember.. People live in Glass houses.. What hate they distribute today about others, That is where it comes back to haunt them on the morrow. There is always something to be found on the web.. And the web goes on forever..
Jan57- feel better, I’m praying for you!
KP has moved on to playing lady bountiful with Lisa. That should end well.
Simon & Jan
Though I don’t coment often, I do listen in on the web radio show, and I always read your editorials on the “missing” children and adults out there….
Before you make this your FINAL decision, please give thought to the fact that YOU, and JAN have been the voice of these missing idividuals many a time!
Who will speak for them now?
As much as we ‘posters’ can comment, complain and care, we’ve really relied on you two, to guide and lead us in the right and respectful directions.
It just won’t be the same without you doing that for us…
It just won’t be the same without you being THAT so very important VOICE!
With respect, and the warmest regards,
CptKD
You guys have been there for us. I think a lot of us genuinely cared for this little girl, and some of us may fear that if we don’t do something when things like this happens the world will fall apart. When I prayed for Haleigh I wanted her to be found alive, and I wanted justice. Perhaps we will never know for sure, but I am convinced that the people who are responsible for Haleigh’s demise are in jail, and will be there for quite some time. I still hope for a happy ending, but that happy ending does not come because people argue about it. Thanks Simon and Jan, and everyone else on the panel.
I have found the information on this site to be the most informative and accurate of all. Other bloggers are jealous, it’s plain to see. Poor Boy Wonder and the ambulance-chasing lawyer aren’t getting enough attention. Ambulance-chasing lawyer was looking for a way to insert herself back into the case and the most vulnerable party was just the ticket. The public won’t forget the bad stories she spread to try and make her client look good. I admit, that was not an easy task, but she accomplished it and slung plenty of mud in the process.
Anyway, please take some time off and regroup. You’re right that anyone doing this out of the goodness of their heart and not for profit shouldn’t have to put up with this kind of juvenile behavior. But, children they are, so they will act like them. Have your rest and know that you have done a great deal of good. If you choose to return, many of us will be very happy to see you back. And, if you do, please remember that the wisest approach is to ingore juvenile arrows. Wishing you and Jan the best and thank you so much for all that you have done!
WhyLie said,
in September 1st, 2010 at 11:54 am
Just more of the way it has been from the beginning. A concerted effort to take the focus off of finding Haleigh.
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That somehow many want to lay at Misty’s,Tommys and even Ron’s feet.
Tex – if the shoe fits…. 😀
Then there would be charges, JB. 🙂
Jan and Simon–What can I say that others have not said here. I am sickened that this case has turned into a 3 ring circus when there is a missing child. I am sickened that people have tried all along to derail this investigation with their evil machinations and plotting. I am sickened that people who claim to be professional have decided to form a collusion to attack BNN because it has been the most informative website there is concerning this case. For 18 months we have seen the good, bad, and the ugly of this case. But to stoop to the level we have seen this past week against Simon and Jan has been one of the vilest things I have ever saw. Jealousy, pure and simple, is at the heart of this. From the spiteful lawyer with her designer suits and evil heart, the website owner and his penchant for the almighty dollar at the expense of anyone even a missing child(and is mighty proud of it) to the media boy sensation (in his own mind) that does not have the desire to “face” facts when reporting this case, they are pathetic. How did these men become KP’s “whipping boys” and what will happen when she finds no use for them and their hate-filled blogs? None of these recent attacks have anything to do with finding Haleigh–and that is why I support BNN and Jan and Simon. You have kept a nice, honorable “house” to discuss the Haleigh case and I, for one, would hate for both of you to be SILENCED. Haleigh is still missing and this story is far from over. You have been mine and many others’ mainstay on this case, and it would be a sad day if one of Haleigh’s MOST VOCAL voices sings NO MORE. I beg both of you to reconsider–for the sake of Haleigh!
Has anyone here seen the site to send checks for Lisa ? Made out to KP and sent to her offices? Really? Why not a bank account so it can be legally accounted for? I WOULD NOT SEND A PENNY SINCE NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THIS MONEY WILL END UP, THERE IS NO WAY TO ACCOUNT FOR WHERE IT IS BEING DEPOSITED AND WITHDRAWN. OMG
I am sorry to hear Haleigh won’t be covered here anymore. I thank you for all you’ve done since she has been missing. You have never backed away from this case and have kept her in the spotlight. The bloggers here are so informed. The other sites only cover missing children when there is nothing going on with the celebs. I pray someday we will find out where Haleigh is. Thank you wonderful people for not letting her case go cold. God bless you.
Tex – would you charge someone if you were still trying to build a case? No. Happens all the time. LE has a lot of circumstantial evidence but are afraid it won’t be enough. So they bide their time….watch the person or persons….bust them for other things if they cross the legal line…..and keep working to build the case. That very well could be the case here. LE is just biding their time and closing the noose on the guilty parties. 😀
tobias – and don’t you know there will be those stupid enough to send money to KP for Lisa? Just like people send Casey Anthony money! Makes no sense but people do it. UGH! I’m not against Lisa getting help but handing her money sure won’t help her! It will put her 6 feet under from a drug and alcohol overdose! 😯
You know JB I really don’t think LE has a lot of circumstantial evidence, other then what the two Croslins said. I don’t think LE has much of anything in the way of evidence. If they did they wouldn’t have had to go after TC at PCJ and try and get a confession from him, and threaten him with murder charges.
I think if LE had anything, charges would have been filed by now. I do think they may turn over what they do have, which I don’t think will be much, to a Grand Jury and see if they can get an indictment, which they may get, but I seriously don’t think they have enough of anything to get a conviction.
I regret the unkind remarks that have been aimed towards you in the coverage of this case.
You and Jan are passionate about justice for Haleigh and have politely disagreed with others; even while refraining, at times, to opine.
In spite of the length of time since Haleigh’s disappearance, Jan has been steadfast in her hope for a positive ending to this case; while most of us can only think of justice as a positive conclusion. She has been unashamed of her hope; and has always offered fair treatment to others who some suspect. Her gentle demeanor has caused mothers, in despair, to open up and share.
Your professional demeanor remains intact. and you have refrained from mud slinging; staying above what those who have long run out of ideas resorted to.
I hope you change your mind about the Haleigh Cummings case; but I respect the stance you have taken to protect Jan.
She’s worth it.
Best,
Peter Hyatt
http://www.seamusoriley.blogspot.com
Afternoon.
I saw that Tobias and you hit it 100%. I just shake my head. I certainly will not contribute. IMO I take this to mean she has some ‘agreement’ now with Lisa and/or other family members. Id be all in favor in helping Lisa, to a certain degree, but not that way. I always find it suspect when somebody in that capacity does this, especially given prior thought to what has happened in the past ‘Send in care of’ instead of just opening a trust bank account and having an outside intity oversee the account. Id be scared to send a check, my personal information could be compromised, jmo. Dangerous situation on many levels.
BD got 15 yrs as well. Can’t imagine to spend that many years. Stupid. I’m all for seeking to find the actual answer of what started all this and who did this, but using drugs maybe as a dangling tool or an in to get information, no. Ah well, such is life. Cobra is right, everybody is getting bit in the butt.
I bet Donna’s seriously rethinking her plan of “I’ll go undercover, get close to Misty, get info, find Haleigh, and be a hero”! LOL
You sleep with dogs…you get fleas!
My theory is they want any of the 3 to roll over on the 4th (drug dealer) who actually did the deed.whether she was killed or taken one if not more know the name of who they crossed. Are they willing to do 15 rather than cross this person? It appears so. jmo
Donna was no middle man in the drug deals, She was the SUPPLIER of the drugs AFTER going out of state to procure the drugs to bring back to Florida for the sole purpose of selling them. They should have given her the max allowed, imo.
WhyLie- ita!
Has anyone heard the hurricane is headed to Mass Cape Cod? I heard this on the radio this morning. Maybe gods hand? Wierded things have happened.jmo
I just got home and I dunno what to say,I am shocked and will think before I post anything right now BUT Lana? WTH are you here,you go everywhere else to bash Jan and Simon and then you come over here to spew your dumbass shit!
Get a grip and grow up!
Theres not a one of your kind here for Haleigh,I kinda know how Jan and Simon feel,Maybe not as much but dang close,I have been attacked,basically emotionally abused for months because I was here for Haleigh and people like you don’t have a heart,You’re just here to run and tattle to make everybody miserable,so don’t waste your nasty little breath hunny to post even more critical statements about me and others here,we are over it and if I owned this blog your ass would be gone for good and all your little rude buddies would go with ya!
Sorry Jan and Simon,ban me if ya want but I’m here for Haleigh and we have waded thru pure bs the whole time and are we just gonna lay down and let it happen??
I’m not,may get thrown out but I’ll chance it,when people can’t see that the people who really care for Haleigh and want the truth are attacked constantly and I for one am sick of it,They sure as hell won’t win on my part!
This case has changed every single one of us in one way or another,for me..not so good because I call it as I see it,You Jan were the one who told me to hang in there and not take it personal,can I ask you please to do the same,and I know it hurts,I know it’s cost you more than you had to give,not all financial….just you been stomped on here too just because you want JUSTICE for the little girl we all wish we could have helped,all the blood,sweat ,tears and insults could fill the earth but in the end,you have nothing to answer for,but they will??
CC- I was going to rof & lmao, but since this is serious I’ll just agree with you!
I watched as you were attacked & now Jan, I guess they have to stir something up here so they can have something to talk about elsewhere and we know it’s not Haleigh!
This site has dedicated so much time and effort to keeping her name out there even when the mainstream media gave up.
I wish you, Jan & Simon, would reconsider, for the sake of Justice for Haleigh!
Robin,I love your post!!!!!
Nothing left for me to say! Thank You!!
Cathy, There are some talking in the forum just thought I would let you know. Some of us post things there we dont want to discuss out here. jmo
I know what you mean Alex,This really is utterly ridiculous…..that people stoop so low as to interfere in a childs life,they’d rather make others look bad than to aim their ugliness where it really belongs,Just sad!!!!!!!!
Thanks Tobias,I can see why??
I’ll go read up! ty
Don’t look at the negativity as a bad thing. Consider it a left-hand compliment. If someone sees you as important enough to slam, you must be doing something right.
I wish you would reconsider your decision, but will respect your wishes if you don’t.
No way in hell Misty is going to get 15 yrs. Fields made sure of that on 8-17-10 when he gave that cockamammy Croslin version of what went down that night. You might add a zero to the back of that and that might be closer to what she gets.
Jan + Simon thank you for all your efforts for Haleigh . Truth and justice were your only goal. However, I worry that these horrible people will dog you about any high profile case. Blogs about Caylee will be there next target or that’s what I think. I have met some wonderful people here but have met and read some mean people + comments. I will continue to read your articles provided by this site. They r well written + thought provoking but I will post very little as I have also been verbally attacked on this site. These attacks on a personal level for you + Jan r not good for your health (literally). The world beats you down enough you don’t need to endure the constant assult daily. Please know that you r cared about + that you have many fans. Heads up, you have integrity.
vaquera, I agree. If she can’t get YO, which is doubtful now, I see her getting lots and lots of years, unless by some miracle she has been cooperating with LE and Fields statements were a smokescreen.
Why lie, That could very well be true about the smokescreen. I would not be surprised one bit if she comes up with something new. But how will we know the truth? Only if she says where Haleigh is. jmo
I don’t know tobias, all’s we can pray is that if she did say something of any value that LE is able to confirm it.
But you know, my gut still tells me she doesn’t know for sure, as in saw what happened, and who left the MH with Haleigh.
Jan & Simon,
Again I am saddened about this whole mess however, I understand your position.
I certainly hope that karma comes back and bites all of the guilty parties in the butt! I am talking about those guilty for Haleigh’s disappearance as well as the vile accusations against BNN.
God bless the both of you.
i can see that some of you simply do not know how to ignore.
Jan and Simon, my sympathies to you and my total understanding that you simply cannot babysit this site.
Much regret because it is one of the few sites that have intelligent and sightful people posting.
Hmm, Jan and Simon. I don’t know why you’d want to stop reporting on the Haleigh Cummings case. It clearly has the greatest readership on your site. Compare this case to any other article posted. Compare the views, compare the number of comments. So why commit Hari Kari?
If you’ve been stung by some comments, then you need to not take those personally. You’re professional news people that report the news. If you think you stepped over the line and became news makers instead of news reporters, well, maybe you did, maybe you didn’t. But isn’t Fox News often accused of that? Isn’t the Washington Post accused of having certain biases?
So never give up. Did Lance Armstrong give up when he had cancer? No. He overcame it. So you need to pick yourselves back up and get back on the horse you were riding. We all make mistakes and I’m not suggesting that you did. But if you think you did, well, big Whoopie Doo. Get over it and get back to the work at hand.
Simon takes it personally that someone is attacking his wife? In this case, Jan is not his wife, Jan is a another professional and you have to take any comments in that vein. Evaluate what is accurate and act on it and disregard anything else.
I would be sorely disappointed in your strength of your backbones if you let some criticism force you to throw in the towel. I understand, I do , but shame for even thinking of that.
And if you do stop reporting on Haleigh, I can guarantee you that readership and participation in BNN will drop off precipitously and someone less unbiased will step in to fill the void.
This is so sad that it has come to this. people destroyed a little girls life. and now people can not leave people alone who’s only goal and compassion is reporting the truth in hopes of finding out what happen to her. I believe this is also why kathy was targeted. she was getting to close to the truth.
ALL WE WANT IS TO FIND HELEIGH. AND JUSTICE FOR HELEIGH.
jaceesmom – A number of people had much the same theory as cathi long before she did and while she had another theory and since then too. And they were/are treated terribly by people here and from other sites. Good gosh.
Aside from the fact that I don’t believe she was attacked for that reason or certainly that would not have been the only reason, I don’t see anyone else being portrayed or portraying themselves as a victim – because our compassion and concern should be focused on Simon and Jan.
Jan and Simon,Hugs to you.I’m so sorry about this.I’ve hardly been on lately because of my husband and I both having surgery last month.All the negative comments starts up my bp and headaches again.I was sure looking forward to when I felt better,to coming back.I do totally understand how tough it must be.You’re better people and stronger than I am.Thanks for what you’ve done for people.If I had someone missing,I would want your help. I made a lot of friends here,so I thank you for that chance too. God Bless You and enjoy your grandchildren.They are God’s greatest gift.That’s why we watch our 5 week old GGSon, Ayden, when his daddy needs to sleep after working all night. I would never trust someone else to do it. Hope to see you back again. Grandma of 5 (gg Grandma of one).
One of my biggest fears, and I know many others that I have spoken to, is that once the people in jail are sentenced on their drug charges, is that the coverage for HALEIGH will just totally drop off the map (as it has done in the past when there is no actual news that ties to the people in HaLeigh’s life. While I hate that THOSE THINGS are what keeps HaLeigh in the media, at least it is something). One thing that kept me satisfied was knowing we’d always have BNN and Simon and Jan. They have never given up on HaLeigh, and I knew they never would. When there was no news, we always had some type of article that just kept “our girl’s” name in the google alerts, and a place for us to post.
I will not say that I don’t understand this decision, because I think people’s behavior is disgusting. And their delight in Simon’s decision is even more horrifying. When did things stop being about HaLeigh and start being about each other? Oh, that’s right… at the start when the dam circus rode into town and took the focus off HaLeigh. Disgusting! I hope karma strikes everyone of those vile XXXXXXs down. And it will.
That said, I hope that with this outpouring of support, we will eventually see coverage of HaLeigh pick up again. Many people look forward to the weekly radio shows and tune in to hear the latest on our sweet HaLeigh.
In the meantime, just chiming in again to say thank you to Simon and Jan.
Csn someone please tell me the following:
1)Is KP representing Lisa Croslin?
2)Has Lisa Croslin been found? Last I heard she was kicked to the curb and was missing.
3)Is KP accusing Simon and Jan of being paid?
4)What else is going on w/KP?
5)Again, Where is Lisa Croslin and is she drug free?
Also, as stated above in other posts of mine, I hate to see Jan and Simon give up posting about HaLeigh due to stupid posters who have nothing better to do than to make others miserable.
Thank you in advance for answering these questions!
Is this over KP. Simon it’s like being in the Croslin family type of environment. They pick, twist, lie, frame, anything to get you to break down and stop doing what you are doing…speaking out. That is when you come out and blast them out of the water and show them you won’t take no crap. Go Ali on them it’s the only way to communicate with that type.
Jan,I see where you called.Im sorry i didnt get it.I messed up an deleted your number by accident when i tried to punch in the numbers,today.So i had to call our mutual out of state friend to get it again.So if you see a call,with a 843 area code.Its me
.My phone has been in the couch for 3 days.LOL i always lose it.My son got it out of the couch for me today,before i went to the DR.Im sorry i missed you.
I look forward to speaking to you.When you feel like it.God Bless you, an Simon.
This is why I haven’t been posting. I can’t believe someone would use this time to put down Cathy.Isn’t the last few months good enough for people? I have seen the worst kind of cutting remarks on people who don’t have the same opinion as some on here even after Jan continually asks people to skip over others remarks that you don’t agree with.I guess Alex,Looking, BAC,and Tobias is next. I’m sorry Jan.I don’t blame you for this but it has been why some people have left. Again I will really miss you guys!!!!
wrapitup said,
in September 1st, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Csn someone please tell me the following:
1)Is KP representing Lisa Croslin?
2)Has Lisa Croslin been found? Last I heard she was kicked to the curb and was missing.
3)Is KP accusing Simon and Jan of being paid?
4)What else is going on w/KP?
5)Again, Where is Lisa Croslin and is she drug free?
Also, as stated above in other posts of mine, I hate to see Jan and Simon give up posting about HaLeigh due to stupid posters who have nothing better to do than to make others miserable.
Thank you in advance for answering these questions!
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I’ll take a shot at answering these:
1. KP is not technically representing Lisa. KP does family law. However, KP is handling DONATIONS for Lisa. She took in a $3,000 donation to pay Lisa’s Court fines (which totaled $1,900. The extra money was to help house and feed Lisa). The person who donated the money wanted to remain anonymous, so Kim is handling the money. She is also taking checks sent to her office for Lisa.
2. Lisa has been found. For a few days, she was camping out in a tent in someone’s yard in Satsuma, and GER (the local who takes pictures of everyone, their houses, etc) has been feeding her. Apparently, a new location has been found for Lisa. It sounds as if it is one of the three hotels in Satsuma. I am assuming it is NOT the “drug” hotel, as she is supposedly in a safe environment and one that has HBO, etc.
3. I have no idea what in the world KP is accusing, other than Lisa was actually assaulted, rather than high/drunk. I have a hard time with KP’s story. Nothing backs it up.
4. What is going on with KP? LOL, hard to say.
5. Lisa’s fines are all paid, and she is being fed. Apparently someone has donated air fare and/or trainfare to MA to live with Chelsea and Timmy when and if Putnam County lets her leave. The way it sounds, that will take at least 45-60 days if she is allowed to leave at all. Who knows. Is she drug free? That is the way it sounds. I don’t know if she has any access to the cash people are sending her, or if her needs are just being met.
There is a new PO Box set up in MA to send her care packages once she gets there. Her clothing sizes have been provided because she will need winter clothing, ya know?
That’s about all I can think of at the moment.
m2c said,in September 1st, 2010 at 5:44 pm jaceesmom – A number of people had much the same theory as cathi long before she did and while she had another theory and since then too. And they were/are treated terribly by people here and from other sites. Good gosh.
Aside from the fact that I don’t believe she was attacked for that reason or certainly that would not have been the only reason, I don’t see anyone else being portrayed or portraying themselves as a victim – because our compassion and concern should be focused on Simon and Jan.
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Forgive me but I don’t remember anybody agreeing when I came up with my personal theory of Ron being the man in black? Thats when I was targeted and targeted every waking second and I don’t claim to be a victim M2,HaLeigh is the victim and its the only reason I stuck it out when the BS got so thick you needed rubber boots,It went from everyone speaking to me too everyone basically criticizing the theory and bashing me every chance they got,Thats why I say it changed us,I know it did me? wether you have an idea of how bad it got or not,I know it did and I was the same person the day before that theory and had an entire blog of close friends..and the very next it was all I could do to come here without being attacked just like Jan and Simon,but I still did but i did quit sharing or laughing anymore because it wasn’t fun at all anymore except the few close friends who didn’t have conditions to call me a friend??
So in your world,maybe you just don’t wanna see but I lived it and I still do!
You may want to take some time and then come back.
What I know for sure is that TC is lying
Misty is covering something and it has to be determined if she was involved in the actual events that happened
The actual events that happened have to be found out.
The punishment has to be fitting to the crime on all involved.
The media coverage needs to be honest, real and not bias. The crime is horrific enough the truth will speak volumes we don’t need a dictator telling us who to hate and target and see as the only key.
Lyndsy is beyond self involved.
Likely your being manipulated, don’t give up.
Oh, man, I step away for a few days and come back to this! When I saw this escalating last week I got concerned that this is what it would come to. Jan and Simon, know that I support you in whatever decision you make. This is where I always come back to for news of Haleigh. I’ll keep checking in just to see if you’ve reconsidered. I can see the dollar signs in everyone else’s eyes but yours.
God bless! My prayers are with you!
Jan57, I don’t know who called you but it wasn’t me. I don’t even have your phone number. So if someone called saying it was me they were lying.
Jan Barrett
CC- it doesn’t matter what your opinion is, Ron supporter, Misty supporter or if you think the whole bunch of them are guilty, we’re still friends! Believe me no one I know agrees with every opinion I have and I don’t expect them to. So stay strong as we seek the truth of what happened to & find justice for Haleigh!
Hi Grandmaof5- Hope you are both recovering!
As to Lisa, perhaps moving away will be the cure she needs. It’s hard for children to care for a parent so Timmy has a job in store for him but the joy he will get if it works out will be well worth the effort!
I am strong Alex and Thank You!!
Theres no way I am gonna sit here and let somebody tell me I haven’t suffered because of this case,Just like we ALL have!
We have all gave up our family time,our chores just to be here because we are all overcome by the emotions of this case….it’s not even comparable to the scariest rollercoaster ever made…..it’s an uphill journey every waking second and you have all these people who just want to be right?
Wether it helps Haleigh or not,well I am just so sorry but I stand for HALEIGH! And its just doggone sad that bloggers and atty’s and what have you,want to get in the way of it??
Ger was feeding Lisa? LOL, oh my gosh. Ger the supporter of pedophiles? Oh wait accused pedophiles is more politically correct.
Alex ITA with your 7:06pm post.
Hey Looking,How are ya?
This has been confusion,this whole week.
An God said he is not the author of Confusion.
Where confusion is theres every evil work,is what God states in his word.
There has been a evil residing over this case,we see in in every thing going on,even now ..But many are praying for it to be broken off of it.
HaLiegh was a Victim,no matter what happened.Jr was a victim if he was in that home,an something went wrong.I pray for both of them.Because proof has not been showed to that shows me she is deceased.Im leary about these so call confessions.
I pray for MC to.Because what ever happened infront of her.If the child was stolen.Or if she was murdered.No 17 old should have been subject to seeing something happen like that.Think of how awful,stolenor murdered.An i think of my 17 yr old grandaughter,if it had happened on her watch.I dont think she would know what to do either in a situation like that.
I Knew in my heart that Caylee was killed by her mother.If sadation caused it,or some other way.
But i do not belive MC harmed that child.
HaLieghs story needs to stay active.So people will stay aware.Because she could possibly be out there still.An what a shame it would be to drop keeping her name out there.If shes Alive still,someone one day could spot her.
Or if she was placed in the river.I pray a bone will come to surface.If Caylees femor bone could be scraped for DNA, after being under water so long for DNA.If a bone of HaLieghs was found hers could still give up DNA .
I will still hold out hope.Because i dont believe everything i have heard in this case.To many lies have been told..To muxh confusion.To many covering up.To much hush,hush.To many Attacking.Could it be that someone here.Is getting close to what really may have happened.I have never been one to follow,every thing thats put out.I have to see proof.
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Hi lfj!
Jan57,Hat’s off to you!
ITA!! Very,very well said!
This is about simon and jans decision, right?
Jan57,It amazes me how when a teen gets pregnant she is alway’s labeled a baby having a baby……but with Misty everyone thinks she should be hung!
Hey Chatty and Alex. I am fine. Just feeling a little peeved!
If misty killed Haleigh, then yes, hanging would be fine by me. If not, then let her spend her time for her crime and move forward as best she can.
Imo, anyway.
I wonder who is ‘posing’ as jan b when calling jan57?
I personally do not believe Misty harmed Haleigh, but I do believe she knows what happened that night. I just keep praying that she will open up and tell everything.
Looking,Sorry you are but I can honestly understand it!!
O Gosh,me too Looking!!!!!!
I pray to God she tells the who;e truth and nothing but!
Ands how did they get her number? Who would have it? Jan57, got any idea? That’s one strange twist in all of this.
I am going over to the forum for a little bit.
Thats cool!
LFJ, So am I. I feel like we have been twisted and spun by others with a motive to stifle us. I see it all so clearly but what can we do? We have no say, this is not our choice.Jan and Simon must choose what they wish to do. I need some sleep so I will see you all later if the site is still here when I get up? If not its been great knowing you guys. jmo
Me
Back at ya, tobias. 🙂
jaba- I agree about the hanging but it should not apply to just Misty, it should apply to Ron, Tommy or any other person who brought harm to Haleigh! Do you think TN would feel that way if it turns out to be Ron?
As to the phone call, that is strange & concerning!
Hey Chatty are you still here?
If TC and Misty lied in order to make LE happy thinking they would get out of jail, they need to come clean and tell the truth.
WhyLie- Who is going to believe them now?
WhyLie said,
in September 1st, 2010 at 7:16 pm
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Oh yes. And not one picture. 😉
CC,Alex,Looking, I’m glad you are all here. I miss you guys.Alex, we are both doing better.Thanks for asking.We have Ayden 2 or 3 days a week.We don’t want just anyone taking care of him.Everytime I tell someone how big he is getting he makes a liar out of me.He is now is 23in.long and weighs over 10lbs.He smiles at me and melts my heart.He recognizes us now since we keep him.Looking, how much longer do you have left until your g-son comes,next month? CC,I bet Max is growing like a weed too.I have never questioned how much any of you are here for Haleigh.I look at her and think I wish she had been my G-daughter. She wouldn’t have been in the mess she had to grow up in.Love and hugs to you all
J said,
in September 1st, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Wonder if Lisa was “camping” in Ger’s backyard.
Yes Looking,I am…..was surfing too,lol
He sure is Gramma5,He knows our voices and when Dakota gets home from school,omg Max goes wild…lol
Alex, I don’t know who would believe them but hopefully LE is experienced enough to be able to tell, or give them more LDT. If they lied they need to spill it so people can get on with looking for Haleigh and not sweep the case under the rug.
I thought you were going to the forum when you said cool. LOL!! by the way, How are the waves? LOL!!!
Thats the bad thing Alex,talk about a LD debate,omg
Hey G of 5!
oh,rofl I am sorry Looking,I was looking for some things I had stored in folders and didn’t see you say that?? Was saying thats cool to M2..lol
OH!! OK! Well if you go to the forum and you see Chatty are you here you know why.LOL!!
HUgs back to you G of 5. Sure have missed. My prayers are with you.
So True Whylie,I don’t see how it could get worse.maybe they can see it but I don’t,I’d tell just to be able to take my punishment and know where I stand and pay the price and be able to sleep at night and maybe even help my family get out of jail or less time if only one of them knows or however…just sayin
Iagree with you both Chatty and Whylie
Well Looking,when I get bored I’ll go over and answer ya,ROFL I talk to myself a lot anyway so that wouldn’t be complicated either,lol!
LOL!!!!! Chatty. You always make my day. You have such an awesome sense of humor!
I really cannot see how whoever is guilty of the crime can watch all this go on and not say a word,they deserve life for that alone…..thats why i have always thought that whatever happened has to be just down right evil or unimaginable??
Looking,Somebody has to keep these voices in my head entertained,LoL
I agree with you 100% Chatty! No conscience whatsoever.
rofl!!
WhyLie or Chatty do you know if there are specific laws to hanging up posters that says WE WANT JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH ANNE MARIE CUMMINGS?
is there any new news about Lisa? I have been so busy and had car troubles for 3 days straight ughhhhhhh
I don’t know Looking,but I’d sure hate to know I got in trouble for it,wouldn’t you?
If there is a law against it then something needs to change!
There have been things posted in the forum Chatty that may be of interest to you.
It is just something I have been thinking about doing.
My understanding is that someone approached KP to help distribute the funds for Lisa’s case. She did NOT volunteer to do this. I don’t understand where the beef is coming from regarding peeps helping Lisa out. You guys give Jan and Simon a pat on the back for trying to do what they feel is the right thing, yet condemn other’s for trying to accomplish the same, which is being charitable to someone in need!
No, I haven’t donated funds… and probably will not, but I’m not gonna knock those that are doing what their heart dictates.
Seems to me that half the people here don’t quite know everything that has transpired! Yes, I am a member of RadioNewz forum, no I don’t always agree with what is posted there, just as I don’t always agree with the postings here!
In Florida, women may be fined for falling asleep under a hair dryer, as can the salon owner.
In Florida, a special law prohibits unmarried women from parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing.
Gee wiz Looking,according to this it’s untelling,LoL
LOL!Chatty.
Hey Cent.
ROFL……Looking….did you mean posters as in paper or posters on the www? I don’t wanna be hung for blog posting?
Grandmaof5-Wow, he is getting up there! Are his parents tall? I have an autistic great niece and I go see her at least once a month. On Monday, I could not believe how tall she is, she is now taller than her doctor! lol
It would be so nice if all children had loving grandparents that were able to care for them when the parents could not but sadly that is not always the case. In some cases the parents are like Casey Anthony and are too selfish to share the love.
LOL!!! I meant cardboard posters. I sure am feeling better now.
Amen Alex.
Hey looking,Good to see you!!!
I will check it out Looking?? That’s a good idea as well as thoughtful!!!!!!!!!
I wondered why I’d be hung for wanting Justice for Haleigh,LoL
Alex,My daughter was 5/9 by the age of 15 and still is,LoL Wears a 10 shoe,lol
I am 5/5 and a 6 shoe,lol She didn’t take nothing from me.which is a good thing! LoL
Well,that may be a fib,she got my brains cause her dad still had his,LoL
Jan and Simon — I join the many others in thanking you both for your time and effort, and also understanding your position. This is the only site I go to for HaLeigh news, and I check in several times a day. I will miss chewing over the various theories and new pieces of info. I seldom post, but I feel like I “know” most of the regulars here. I have never been on a blog before, but have been here for about 6 – 8 months. Do what you gotta do, but know that you have done a great job with this case. My hat is off to you both.
LOL!!! Chatty
Hey LFJ… hope as is well!
Yes, Cent it is. How about you?
lfj, I don’t think you would be arrested. The worst that could happen is LE could tell you to stop BUT if you get permission say from the businesses to hang on their property, I don’t see how LE could say much about it.
I think PCSO is treading lightly right now anyway as to not garner any more bad publicity on them and their county.
Just be sure you have somebody contact media so they will do a story and get Haleigh’s name back out there. Plus it wouldn’t look good for LE to make you stop when there are cameras rolling.
I just made a fresh pot of Folgers Supreme anyone care for a cup?
Thanks WhyLie, I have been thinking about this for about a week. I was thinking of not just Putnam but my county as well. I think the more that get put up the better.
Alex, my g-son is 6ft 2 or 3. My d-i-ls family has some tall people and my husbands family had a lot of tall people.His dad was the shortest one at 6ft 2in.One of his uncles was 6ft 7in.We have a son that is over 6ft(asst.police chief).His best friend is taller than he is.When he first got on the force he was the shortest one.I’m about 5ft 1 3/4in or use to be.lol
Thank you Jan for letting me know.It was a call an it had Simon,an Jan as the name on it.
So i will have it traced if i can an see where it came from.Because i have never given my phone number on line ever.So some one is up to some devious work it seems.Thanks for letting me know.Im going to get to the bottom of this.An when i do,if i can bring any charges against who did it i will.
jan57, i wonder if it was someone trying to call Jan the blog owner?? thats just strange!
Wow That is strange Jan57?
I have had that happen and the reason was that someones cell phone was in their pocket and maybe pressed on the redial or a speed dial #? LoL
But if you’re certain thats not what happened then I’d sure find out who called?
Highly strange!
Hey Mrsm,long time no finger,how are ya?
Nothing is a shock anymore Jan57! In this case!
What pix are yall talking about?????
LFJ,hope everything is going good with you and the family. Hi BAC, sorry I haven’t sent your e-mail yet,with the baby and all.I knew you would understand about the shoes.lolHope you are doing ok and your son.Alex,How are you and your Mom doing?
WhyLie has a good point Looking,it sure wouldn’t look good if you are doing what everyone else is doing (searching for HaLeigh) then it wouldn’t be good to get in trouble for it! lol
are talking about what was mentioned in the forum?
oh was it there Looking? lmbo sorry but yes…..There come da voices,LoL
Looking,is that coffee still hot? LoL
I nned a coffee IV!
I am not sure what pix you are talking about. If it is what you saw in the forum. It was a question? Not that anyone has any? I am trying to be discreet.
Sending a cup your way. Sent.
Yea,Thats why I said there come da voices,lol
I caught the clue after i stuck my nose it!
LOL!!!! Chatty. Hows the coffee?
Oh it is so good!!!!
Exactly what I needed,brb ota on the phone…
CC, just think of the vid… skinny guy with the high kick… I do… I imagine that happening to all my enemies!
Seems like the discussion has gone astray from the article. Too bad.
But, I will comment on a Haleigh topic from an above blog, since this is the case: JB said,in September 1st, 2010 at 2:24 pm Tex – would you charge someone if you were still trying to build a case? No.
JB, one of my theory’s is that they are sitting and watching JO to make that arrest. In fact, it could be anyone.
Tobias, I like the 3 roll over theory and rat out the 4th. A lot of threats go on in jail and they may have those in there too, to not rat the real people out and use JO. Who knows.
But I really think Haleigh is alive, and I think someone feels justified in taking her. Someone with a pea brain, that doesn’t see the big picture. We shall see, hopefully.
I agree with the posts above regarding taking some time off before deciding about continuing shows or writing on issues surrounding the Haleigh case. I looked forward so much to hearing your voices on the weekly BTR program. Your regular panel of guests have an excellent rapport and I believe your analysis of this case is hands-down — the best possible analysis.
It saddens me to think I won’t hear discussions on both of these cases as well as the attention to other lesser-known cases. Your tribute to Eric was so heart-felt it made me cry. Please Please reconsider and do not allow these media pseudo “professionals” to shame you into stopping the program. THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED. The other programs don’t even come close to rational, slow, and carefully considered analysis. I also love the banter and jokes between all of you.
Never, once, even in the article that was targeted did I ever think you didn’t care about the justice for Haleigh or Caylee. Jan & Simon: you two are the best JOURNALISTS — the most ethical — and never forget this.
Jan, it is good to know that you are reading the posts (I assume that from where you answered Jan57). I hope that the good things that everyone has said about you and Simon really make a difference!
In my opinion, you both should really exercise the right to ban the trouble makers more than what has been. It’s probably hard to know sometimes who does it, but it seems to be the same people to me who always get something going through their instigation. (sort of like you know who and pretending they are the good one…its called manipulation).
Can’t you inforce a rule that if you want to go off topic, then go to the forum or just delete the things you think are off topic and warn that person once! It would make it a much more pleasant place to come talk about HALIEGH and her DISSAPPEARANCE.
Please keep letting us know about Haliegh. Don’t let this run you off.
JenM
I would love for that to be the case. However, I can’t see someone letting this go on for so long… surely they would have to know that the legal ramifications will not be a walk in the park, even for a justifiable reasons. And if they are not bright, how could they pull this caper off?
Maybe the mutual friend had a hand in it jan57, ya ‘ think that is a poSsibility?
I just keep thinking of cases like little Amber Rose found just a month and a half ago. Abducted by her teenage relatives, hidden out several states away with an unrelated family for seven years. It does happen. It can happen. And I pray Haleigh will be the same kind of miracle.
BAC, I don’t think it was that difficult to pull this caper off. They simply took advantage of the situation of a teenager, who might of propped open the back door to sneak back in after partying, or maybe knew how passed out she was. She possibly woke up and scared them from taking Jr or came home to find Haleigh gone. JO could of been in on the door propping to make his taking stuff look like a robbery to Ron, or any other similar scenarios.
I absolutely can see someone letting this go on forever and ever. They have got what they want. Haleigh away from Ron who won custody, away from Misty that they called momma, and away from the drugs and alleged abuse. People can truly feel justified in committing a crime, because they feel it is the right thing to do. Doesn’t mean they did the right thing though. Big difference.
I know a couple of grandma’s that say they wish they could take their grandkids away from their kids and raise them and if they had a way to take them and hide them or take them to another country, they would. It’s reality. And if their kid’s ex had those grandkids and they didn’t get to see them or thought they may never see them again, and knew their was stuff going on like there was at RC and MC’s MH, well, that might be enough to push them over the edge. That is Motive! Motive for a crime to be committed. Justice in their minds, no matter how wrong. Non custodial abductions are very common.
Just a theory though. I have others on JO and on MC and TC. So, its neither here nor there.
Looking at the subject of criminal justice, I can firmly state that knowing the legal ramifications of crime has never stopped any crime before by someone determined in their mind to commit it.
Yes, it does keep some people from crime, but not all.
WhyLie, I hope too God that will be the case. Although, it is not what I believe at this moment. I gladly choose to be wrong. To me it is not about whose theory is right or wrong. It is about Haleigh( only) We all have different opinions and convictions on why we feel the way we do. It would help if we had more info, but until that happens it is what it is. WHERE IS HALEIGH!!!!!
Jan and Simon,
See, we still need to talk about HALIEGH and what happened to her. Please don’t stop reporting on this. Please.
Tobias, I have brought up the theory that it was something much bigger than all of what we have thought, that had to do with Haleigh’s dissapearance. Reasons why MC and TC are in the situation they are in, why Ron was put in GP, why they are busting everyone all of a sudden, why they are being so quiet.
Is this along the same lines you are thinking?
Simon and Jan,
I am sorry to hear that you are backing away from covering Haleigh’s story. I do understand that at times you may feel very over whelmed with the BS that other sites try to pile on you,but think of this.
Many of us come here for your information,I for one never go to the other sites because all they want to do is pick apart other people and completely loose site of what the real reason they should be there for.
There is a little girl out there some where who has known nothing but dysfunction and heart break for most of her tiny life.She deserves to have people out there like You to help her find her way home.
Please don’t walk away from her,give her at least someone’s hand to reach out to when she needs one,and be the voice she needs to speak for her.
God bless you both.
JenM I think it is much bigger. I think it is a drug lord. TC,MC and Ron were all put into GP when they were arrested . I think;not sure that Hope and Donna B. was also. Misty is still in GP.
I for one know that Jan & Simmon don’t take money from their followers,I’ve offered on two separate occasions, offered to help with expense of the jailhouse tapes as I’m sure many others here have ! They Know that they get many more people on this site when they put those up,
and many gave them their due recognition. So if this was a site as some have strongly suggested over & over would they not except money so thier reader count numbers would go up, from thier followers that truly Love and care about them their reader count means nothing !
And more than once I wanted to give a lot of posters that gave them nothing but thier ignorant, hellish opinions just to hurt Jan & Simmon , but more so to hurt Jan . She is a very kind and caring woman ! I would gladly given these poster a swift kick in the teeth and (Flo&Lisa) wouldn’t have been degraded by them. I, just don’t get how these idiots can get pleasure out of hurting Jan. I wanted more than once to add my 5cts. to their hellish ways but it would only started more word wars and there were plenty of word wars here. I, read everyday, I didn’t post allot because it seemed as if I,was looked over. I know that some of my thoughts were valid & ??? were, but if you weren’t in the clicks and there were several.It was almost on daily basis arguing over theories and thoughts that wasn’t doing Haleigh doodle squat, so those that chose to argue were not here for Haleigh…
It sounded like a bunch of 3yr. olds. And Jan was nothing but fair she let it go until it was intolerable only because she wanted people to have their freedom speech, for some of the real people that were here for Haleigh they were a big pain in the Ass. Matter fact you could reason with a child much easier.
I personally don’t blame Simmon for his decision. But also know as a reporter they have to have thicker skin than most.I couldn’t
do it.
It’s obvious They Love each other very much !
I just want You, Jan And Simmon to know you are the the best!
And if Peter had the time he could analyze all our statements and tell us what he thinks.
All I know is mine is from the Heart and Soul!
Your rewards in Life are decided by the kinds of problems,you are willing to solve.
Cricket
Linda
not GP I meant pc for when they all were arrested. Misty is still in PC. Ron went to Gp first and once they transfeered Tommy to Putnam he went to Gp.
All I know is that Florida DOC isn’t big enough for TC to hide in if it turns out he hurt Haleigh. Ron will rip him apart. I don’t even think the guards will be able to stop him.
Hello Cricket it has been awhile. Excellent post.
WhyLie since Tommy was put into GP in Putnam and all this talk in the news by Werter, do they put Tommy in GP there in prison or PC?
I wish I knew the exact ‘doodly squat’ procedure to get an answers as to what happened to little Haleigh.
ditto! Jaba
Goodnight everyone.
Prayers for you Simon and Jan.
WHERES HALEIGH?????
Maybe GP so they can get info? Maybe info on who is threatened MC so bad she won’t talk? Seriously. What more can happen to her at this point? Her life means something to her it seems. She either doesn’t know anything or she just isn’t going to tell.
Maybe a certain someone thinks that Lisa knows something and will confide in them if they help her??? Just a thought. Slime is slime when it comes to winning.
I am reading the old threads at WS again refreshing my memory of what was said by PCSO and stuff and I just read something and thought WTF..Crystal and Marie were on Shep’s show on Fox on the afternoon of the 12th and Crystal said that she had not been given a polygraph yet. 3 days after Haleigh disappears and she hadn’t been given a LDT. That should have been done on the morning of the 10th.
Good catch Vaq.
ChattyCathy said,
in September 1st, 2010 at 6:48 pm
m2c said,in September 1st, 2010 at 5:44 pm jaceesmom – A number of people had much the same theory as cathi long before she did and while she had another theory and since then too. And they were/are treated terribly by people here and from other sites. Good gosh.
Aside from the fact that I don’t believe she was attacked for that reason or certainly that would not have been the only reason, I don’t see anyone else being portrayed or portraying themselves as a victim – because our compassion and concern should be focused on Simon and Jan.
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Forgive me but I don’t remember anybody agreeing when I came up with my personal theory of Ron being the man in black? Thats when I was targeted and targeted every waking second and I don’t claim to be a victim M2,HaLeigh is the victim and its the only reason I stuck it out when the BS got so thick you needed rubber boots,It went from everyone speaking to me too everyone basically criticizing the theory and bashing me every chance they got,Thats why I say it changed us,I know it did me? wether you have an idea of how bad it got or not,I know it did and I was the same person the day before that theory and had an entire blog of close friends..and the very next it was all I could do to come here without being attacked just like Jan and Simon,but I still did but i did quit sharing or laughing anymore because it wasn’t fun at all anymore except the few close friends who didn’t have conditions to call me a friend??
So in your world,maybe you just don’t wanna see but I lived it and I still do!
>>>>>>>>>>>.
CC, yes… I believe you were standing alone on that thought/theory!
I dont mind some one helping someone whos down.But when all fines are paid in full.then what has she learned.
Wouldnt it seem better to help her get into a treatment center.So she could get counseling.As well has help for a long term addiction problem.
Wouldnt it be better to teach her to be responsable for her action.Some sort of work to help pay her fines (even if it cleaning someones house)(sweeping floors) for pay to go towards fines..So she would know never to do the things she has done again.Helping her pay the fines would be ok,but it will not teach her anything if she doesnt also help in some way.
Long term addicts dont just come clean in 30/40 days.It a mental ,as well as genarationaly learned behavior,in this case i believe.Did not Joes own sister speak of her grandmother haveing pills in her systen also.Hank told about some of the drugs in her family on a phone call.Around the time the grandmother,an TC talked.When they all had a blow up.
Now i am all for helping someone down on there luck.Or i wouldnt have kept in touch with them for so long,trying to figure a way they could help their selves ,along with me or anyone helping them.I couldnt up an travel so easy,m a sick woman.But they were offered to come to the beach,an stay.I would have picked them up.So they could be away from the media,an get on their feet.It could have been arranged through the PO.They wanted to stay close for court appearence for their children.
But i also believe that responsability for ones actions muct be a learning lesson.So they will know not to do the same crimes again.
I have dealt with people with addiction for many yrs.They will lie,sneak,an decieve the best.If they still want to use,or drink.An i pray for Lisa daily,as i do Hank.I truly hope for her sake that no ones is covering for her.Because if she doesnt get to the root,of her reason for using in the first place.How can she heal,an stay clean.
I do not trust someone who set up a foundation((HBF),an never has produced the books,an how The money was used,how much was used for what. .She was the attorny,an was the one,i believe who set the whole thing up..So yes i do question KP motives.An how do we know, how she handling any money sent to Lisa.Im sorry her track record when she was on the HaLiegh case.Leaves many question.Her action then speak for them selves.She is what she is.An trys to build someone up in the public eye.Even if they are still doing wrong..Its already happened.
An if she had not been dropped off the case.It would still be happening .Did she not cover CS addiction problem,untill they brought the bar complaint against her.A person track record speaks for its self.
If someone done a crime/crimes,an owe fines,what will they learn if someone steps out an pays it,an the repeat offender doesnt have to put forth any effort to work in some form,to help pay,an be reponsable for their own actions.
Please tell me how this will help her in the long run.She will be baby sitting her grands again in the near future.Can any say without treatment that this will be safe for her to do.
I am wise to long term addicted.An their tactics.All i can say is if someone knows shes still using,or drinking.Then if she ODs somewhere down the line,an you have helped her cover her habit.Her death would be on the hands of those who have covered for her.
I wish Lisa well,an will still pray for her.But im a logical woman,an i know what can happen.If some one doeant recive the help they raally need.Cloths,an money may help.But Long term addiction isnt broken in 30/40 days.Bad behaviors do not just go away,because some one helps them with money.
Lisa Please step out an get the help you needed for so long.The first step is being honest,about the problem you have delt with for yrs.I will be praying for you.Your husband admitted his problem.An takes full responsability for it.But you have not.An thats a red flag with a long term user.
Freedom of speach.Used for perposes to bring attention that we all have to take responsability for our own actions
.An that anyone who has used long term.Needs the strenght that only God can give to over come this,needs a treatment center,an counseling.So when he triggers that have caused one to use for so long.They can learn how to deal,an aviod the old crutch of using drugs.
Simon and Jan ((((Hugs))))
I am here to find HaLeigh, so will take this opportunity too.
The time line that we have worked so hard on gives us a very important clue… THE WINDOW OF OPPoRTUNITY. Now we all have our own theories and I am a pit bull with mine ;), but, I have come to respect many of you that are just as steadfast in yours (JB)! Just think of it like this we can cover all the bases and with our combined efforts, talents and SUPPORTIVE non aggressive arguments can get everyone and all theories obviously a lot further and come to some logical conclusions, than has been achieved in the last 18 months in this ring punching it out. Now, the unproductive is not wanted and that is not meant in a mean way at all, it is time to get serious about finding HaLeigh and save the BS for the haters or do your homework and come and contribute in an effort to FIND HaLeigh not just talk about her! I love the jokes and the personal things sprinkled in, it makes us human and gives us a release on those frustrating days when nothing makes sense(that is every day!). 😉
Now I know Simon and Jan can agree with this change of subject and will agree it would be time that will be well spent if we are not to have another article to comment on. 😉
Beware Simon I might High jack your next unrelated story comment section and call the crew down the rabbit hole..LMAO
My how Misty’s story changed..
“”I didn’t hear anything at all. If I’d heard something, I would have got up and I wouldn’t have let them take her,” Croslin said.
Croslin said after putting Haleigh to sleep about 8 p.m., she was up doing laundry, which was right by the back door, which she knew was locked when she went back in the bedroom. She said she put a blanket on Haleigh and lay down in a bed nearby.
It’s unclear whether Croslin left the bedroom prior to Haleigh disappearing. Croslin’s account indicates that she left the room at some point. She said she woke up about 3 a.m. to go to the bathroom.
Misty Croslin interview
In Feburary, Misty Croslin tearfully described waking up, finding the back door of their mobile home open and Haleigh gone.
VIDEO:
UNCUT: Misty Talks About Finding Haleigh Gone
“I didn’t make it to the bathroom. I seen the kitchen light on and I walked in the kitchen and the back door is wide open,” Croslin told Channel 4’s Laura Mazzeo. “I go in the room and she’s gone. And that’s all I know. When I went to bed she was there and then when I got up and she was gone.”
Police have said they believe Croslin was with Haleigh until waking up at 3 a.m. Investigators said Croslin called 911 to report the girl missing about the time Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings Jr., came home from working a night shift at his job in Palatka. [Listen To Croslin, Cummings Calls To 911]
Croslin said she and Cummings, 25, had been dating for five months. Cummings had legal custody of Haleigh and her brother.
Croslin said Haleigh and her 3-year-old brother “look at me like their mom.”
“I love her like she’s my own,” she said. “I just want her to come home.”
Croslin said she doesn’t blame herself, but she’s emotionally devastated and just want to know that Haleigh is safe.
“I wished they’d took me instead of her, because I could have fought,” Croslin said. “She’s only 5; she can’t really do anything. What do they want with a little 5-year-old?””
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18700310/detail.html
Jan57… I don’t know what lessons LC will learn, but I do know that we can’t dictate to God! So if he has put it on those poster’s heart to reach out and help, then so be it! Doesn’t matter whether I agree or not.
I just wish PCS would come forth an clear some of the things up.At Least let us know that they are still working hard to solve this case.Silence from them is awful.I would never expect them to give up important imfo,that could harm the case.Just reasure us they will not stop untill its solved,an someones charged for the crime-what ever happened.
I know I said goodnight,a thought crossed my mind after getting out of the shower.
LE is starting their timeline with 8pm forward. Asking if anyone saw Misty out that night. ( fact)
Ron and Misty have an argument on the phone about 8:30pm. ( fact: per Ron and his attorney on NG)
LE should have Mistys pings from that 8:30pm phone call whereas to her whereabouts. Correct?
My question is why are they starting the timeline at 8pm?
You know that wasnt a new trailor.An im sure the front front door may have been easier to get into.Someone could have easly slid a knife/DL in an opened it slid in,then left out the back.Because of bringing the child out,to avoid being seen by neighbors.
I would also like to know who the neighbors were who moved.Was it a man,or family. Do we know anything about them.Neighbor hood men have slide in,an abducted children in the past.For sexual crimes.
Jan57, I imagine LE would have also checked that door and the windows for a point of entry.
The second question is plausible.
Nope Jaba the person i know would not do something like that..But i know my number is still on Lisas old phone,which Chelsea has.Im not ruling anyone of them out.But its not the one that is a friend.This call was made yesterday.An i heard the phone ringing.I was just to sick to get to it,it had fallen in my couch.Its will be checked into.If at all possible i will get to the bottom of it.If a tracer can be put on it.I dont play games.A i will not allow someone to do it to me,when using others names to do it.
Goodnight again.
Just letting all know that was my last post on KP,or Lisa.
From here on out its all about HaLiegh,an what we know so far,an what we believe could have happened.
She is way more important,than anyone who has been a part of this case.Its all about her anyway.So all side shows are over for me ,in discussing them.I want this baby girl found.The truth.No matter what.She was innocent,an what ever happened.It almost 2 yrs now.an all we have is these confession,an no proof.Can we believe that this is what happened.Or is she still out there alive
.I just dont know.But this child captured my heart.An i pray for all the other children in this case.That they are kept up with.An the parents watched to make sure none of the parents are using illegal drugs.That this has been a eye opener to all.
Im tired,not feeling so well.Alexandra thanks for thinking of me earlier.I think im going to step back,an jsut read,for a bit.Keep up the good post.An keep digging for anwsers.HaLieghs worth the effort many of you have put forth.I enjoy chatting with all of you.LOL please over look my sometimes over long post.I really dont realize i have wrote that much untill its posted.You all have tried your very best to get to the bottom of what may have happened,to HaLiegh that night/early morning..I know you care.Or you wouldnt have waded through all the bull i have seen slung around at different times. Good night everyone.Night Jan,an Simon.
looking for Justice said,
in September 1st, 2010 at 11:13 pm
I know I said goodnight,a thought crossed my mind after getting out of the shower.
LE is starting their timeline with 8pm forward. Asking if anyone saw Misty out that night. ( fact)
Ron and Misty have an argument on the phone about 8:30pm. ( fact: per Ron and his attorney on NG)
LE should have Mistys pings from that 8:30pm phone call whereas to her whereabouts. Correct?
My question is why are they starting the timeline at 8pm?
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Supposedly Misty’s phone was turned off after the fight.That is when Ron called her 20 times,then called Tommy She supposedly turned it back on after 3 when she found Haleigh gone and called Ron. So if it’s turned off there wouldn’t be any pings.They are starting that time line after the time Mrs. Sykes and her companion was at the house. That’s the last time someone other than Misty saw Haleigh.
So maybe chelsea set up a call posing as simon and jan via caller id? That’s strange.
I’m not sure what charges could be filed but something smells fishy to me.
J, thanks for answering my questions. A friend of mine saw me posting and asking the questions about KP and LC and called me and turned me on to another web site that is basically supporting LC. To say I was shocked is an understatement.
I’m very happy to hear that LC is ok. I was worried for her; however…I am concerned that when she gets up to Mass (if the courts allow her to go and they should if all her fines are now paid by private citizens) she will go back to her old ways of drugging & drinking. Too bad this group of peeps didn’t give her an ultimatum or rehab. I feel they may be enabling her. She is cushy now but once on her own w/family, rest assured she won’t be clean and sober for long. She needs rehab. She cannot become clean w/out it.
I don’t understand why KP would jump in and help. Isn’t she a high powered attorney? It’s a very nice gesture but I have a hard time with the possibility of a hidden agenda.
I certainly hope Jan & Simon don’t allow any doing’s of KP’s to taint them to the point where they stop writing. Jan, I love the way you write. Simon, your writings are always colorful.
I keep thinking that maybe the AC guy propped open that back door and Misty was too ‘under the influence’ or oblivious or forgot, when she passed out in the bed.
Does that seem possible to anyone else? Who is the AC guy? Why was he so quickly ruled out? Could someone of put some tape on the door to keep it from closing? Maybe it just looked closed with the lock turned? That was for easy access to get back in later after Misty went to sleep? Not sure I have heard anyone mention that one yet.
But either someone took the time to set it all up and then quickly scattered out of there, leaving the brick behind as evidence? Hmmm, that doesn’t add up for me.
My other thoughts on this…just as strong as any of my other theories is:
Why would Misty say on tape/video, that the back door was ‘set up just like Tommy sets it up when he robs MH’s?’ To me, she didn’t know ‘100%’ who did it, but had her suspicions. She even told how TC snuck in and out of places all the time to rob them and told how he was a pervert. Seems Hank Sr. sternly reminded her that Tommy didn’t do anything and she better retract her statements. But to me, she was telling something, without telling it.
She also told about JO and the stuff he did. She even mentions the gun. She told without telling directly. I think this was again, her suspicions talking.
All of this came out in the very beginning.
I think it was her suspicions, because she really didn’t know for positive what happened. She may of heard something, but didn’t actually ‘see’ it, but it was so traumatic, she was in shock. She even says she thought it was a dream. She probably was in such disbeleif, that she did pull the covers over her head and force herself to go back to sleep and get rid of that nightmare.
But in reality, she has those on the other end telling her she is stupid and she better shut her mouth and not accuse her own brother, because she didn’t actually ‘see’ anything. She has her Dad telling her to retract things.
TC first said that MC wasn’t at the MH. I think he said this so she could never claim to really know what happened if it came down to it. But that backfired on him.
Now that TC is suspected by a lot of people, he wants MC to come forward and help protect him, but telling what she knows. She never really knew but suspected TC and JO all along. They may of convinced her that Ron did something to get MC off her line of thinking. They may of even convinced her that she might of done something.
Then TC begins trying to convince us that ‘he knows what he is doing when he is high on drugs’ (per his jail video). Its like he knows he is involved and thinks we know too, so he is going to try and figure out his alibi for being a witness to it all.
MC is trying to help him. She goes with whatever story he tells. She doesn’t want any more guilt to deal with.
Sorry, but I think MC’s mind is gone! I think Lyndsy knows TC was an accessory to it and was probably told she would be implicated too for lying for him that night (to being home). So, maybe made a deal with LE to divorce him and not be implicated if she agrees to testify against him.
Seems LE is trying to find out the extension of involvement for JO. They need to make this stick with jurors, if it is the truth.
Sick thought, but I think that someone mentioned it before, and the more I think about it, the more it could be true. Maybe TC and MC really were on the couch having sex. Maybe Jr heard the squeaking and maybe Haleigh caught them. Maybe they thought she would tell Ron? Maybe TC shut her up. Maybe this is the big secret that TC and MC will take to their graves? I can’t think of anything else they would never tell about……
Just a theory though. Goodnite.
Vaq, it still would of pinged her location at the time she was talking/arguing to Ronald.
That call was about 8:30pm.
Many of you dont know me but I am here daily.
I read what you all post and I try not to say much but I think a voice needs to be heard and I am not trying to hurt anyone in speaking out.
But what if you could hear from Haliegh about how she feels.
Would you still walk away???
Another night alone. I sit and wonder why everyone is now walking away.
I wonder did they ever really think of me at all.
I wish I could just walk away. I wish I could have ran to my family were I was safe.
I wish I had a choice in life to not have to be me and see everything and everyone I love gone.
I need your help please find me. I am lost and alone.
Please if you believe I didnt have a chance that night dont close this site and not give me a chance again tomorrow.
Maybe some people are not wanting me found but I can assure you all that I want nothing more then to be brought home.
I miss my family and I need your help(all of your help)
Dont give up on me.
Do me a favour and look at my pitcure and ask is she worth the fight.
It wont be easy and yes words do so hurt but please, please help me get home.
If you know me, you know Im a scared of the dark and I loved my family very much.
Why is no one looking for me anymore???
Dont they care?
Why isnt there people out searching?
Come on you all said you would see this through a child is in need of help to be brought home no matter where she is at tonight.
If she is alive then bring her on home to her family.
If she has passed on find her and allow her to rest in peace.
But dont just walk away there is no one left to look for her or to care.
lfj, My feeling is that LE knows that Misty was at the MH at least up until 8:30 when her phone got turned off. It has been nearly 2 years and LE has not been able to get any real proof that Misty ever left that MH that night. Nobody has pinpointed her not being there, being somewhere else. With that kind of reward money available I would think if somebody could place Misty elsewhere that night they would have. I think with Misty facing pretty much the best years of her life behind bars, if she wasn’t home that night she would have told LE, that would have pretty much cleared her as a participant in what ever it was that happened.
WhyLie, I think Misty would of told if she were not home that night. The thing that is bothering me is that phone call was about 8:30pm and right after that call is when Mistys phone went off.
LE wants from 8pm forward, they should have placed Misty in Rons home @8:30pm when pinging the phone argument.
I guess my point is why didn’t LE start their timeline at 8:30pm, if le feels Misty was there up til then?
As far as I know LE started their timeline at 7:30 which was the last time anybody other then Misty saw Haleigh.
Good morning, Everyone!
WhyLie, I also thought that at some point LE stated that they based the start of the timeline on NON-related witnesses (not on M and not on AS either). I think they meant the ac guy and a neighbor but they were not specific.
WhyLie, I agree that M would have told by now if she’d left the MH. But I’ve forgotten why LE seems to have ruled out what NayNay said in that “letter” that may have been a plant for all I know. You know the letter about Pytko, the party, the pond.
How could LE rule that out? Not challenging it, I just don’t know.
I am not sure who specifically LE was using for the timeline but I do think they were using the time that somebody saw Haleigh, other then Misty, as the starting point of the timeline.
I will go back and check Whylie,but I am pretty sure they stated 8pm. This has nothing to with a non-relative seeinh Haleigh. I am trying to make it as clear as I can. That call would have placed Misty at Rons home @8:30pm, why are they asking from 8pm forward. Why not from 8:30pm forward?
Yes, WhyLie, LE was definitely NOT using M on which to base the starting point of their timeline. I also don’t think they used AS. I will try again to find where they mentioned using Non-related witness(es).
That search was prompted, allegedly, by a statement given to LE by Pytko. I think while LE of course had to follow up and conduct a search, they also have found Pytko’s story not feasible or reliable. Now we only have Nay Nay saying that LE told her that Pytko signed a sworn affidavit giving the details of that night, we haven’t seen that document, if one even exists.
If Misty and the children left the MH that night and went to a party and only brought Jr back home, I think Jr would have told.
lfj, the call does not prove that Haleigh was alive and well or where she was. It only proves where M’s phone was at that time.
LE starts a timeline at the last point when the victim was seen alive – preferably by an unbiased witness.
So the call would have nothing to do with Haleigh.
I believe jr. would of told as well.
WhyLie @ 7:36 – Thank you. I remember thinking when I heard that, that LE may have trumped up the whole thing to goose people into telling about M being somewhere else that night but it didn’t work out for them.
I, too believe Jr would have told – IF he was awake and not knocked out on some sleepy medicine. But more than that I really do believe one of these druggie acquaintances would have spilled the beans if they’d seen M that night. A lot of them have been arrested for stuff since then and it would be the perfect card to play to tell LE that they saw her – but I don’t think anyone did.
M2C, LE keeps saying Misty is the Key and asking of her whereabouts the night Haleigh disappeared. Correct? That 8:30pm call between Ron and Misty would tell LE that Mistys phone pinged from Rons home. Misty was at least at Rons home at 8:30pm. Why do they start there timeline @8pm?
M’s whereabouts at 8:30 is not proof that Haleigh was alive and well.
LE has a witness they believe – who saw Haleigh alive and well at 8pm. That is why they start the timeline then. For all they know Haleigh disappeared or was hurt between 8 and 8:30.
The call proves nothing at all except where M’s phone was and presumably where M was.
So if the call shows M was at the MH at 8:30, Haleigh could have been dead or gone by then or maybe M took her (in any condition) somewhere after 8:30pm and that’s why they want to know where she was that night.
I think LE was looking for anybody to give credence to Misty’s actions that night, whether it be somebody seeing Misty away from the MH or somebody who went to the MH and saw Misty.
Whatever physical evidence to support or nonsupport of Misty’s story found in the home would likely be why they start after AS leaves.
AS saw kids, knows what was happening while she was there. But what was Misty doing after she left. We know what Misty says she was doing, but we don’t know if what she says matches what LE found. Yes, phone may or may not put Misty at MH, but there might be item/s in home that does not match Misty’s scenerio of that timeframe.
The story goes…I put the kids to bed at 8pm.
Who knows what physical evidence LE found or even exactly what they mean by that, but my guess is something red flags between the home as found and the story.
just saying, it could also be the lack of any evidence that has LE questioning Misty’s story, like in Jessica L’s case. There was no physical evidence, no forced entry, and LE did not believe the Grandparents could sleep through the abduction without hearing anything and waking up, which made LE look at them, when in fact it was an RSO.
It does happen.
Generally speaking, timelines usually start at the last point there is proof the victim was alive and well. A witness or maybe a security video at a shopping mall. Things like that.
I can’t imagine what “proof” that Haleigh was alive at any point in time could be found in the MH.
Here is a thought on what I think migh have took place and Im prolly wrong but what if the b/f of Crystal was down in Putman that night and maybe had afew to drink. If Misty and Jr was asleep he could have decieded on his own to go take the kids and only found Haleigh up and awake,
Her mom says she wouldnt go with anyone she didnt know without a fight.
Crystal sure did owe alot of money back then in c/s and maybe the b/f thought if he removed the kids to his friends or family she would get to see them and not have to be fined for not keeping up payments.
Maybe Haleigh is right under everyone’s nose and who’s to say maybe some down in Putman arent doing a cover up for this family.
I mean seems strange to me how all involded were set up and now facing long jail time.
You would think that when a parent reports a child missing the police arent going to be trying to set them up to get 15 years in jail.
I just believe there is no justice in this case and all involded that took care of Haliegh are now locked up.
I wont bash her Mom or that side of the family but I really dont understand why they didnt seem to involded in her life or the search for her after the fact and it took less then a week to turn it around and make it into a fight between her and Ronald.
Could she be holding Haliegh some place she thinks is safe?
Why did it take her so long to get to Ronalds when Haleigh was reported missing.
Google it and see its a 4 hr drive if Im correct.
I dont know about anyone else but me and I know if that was my little girl I would have made it there in less time unless the police pulled me over and took my car.
I think a new look needs to be taken at this case and someone really need to go higher up.
Cobra is not allowed to search no more, Ronald is locked up, all the people being blammed are locked up so no one is left to uncover the facts here.
The Police just seem to me like they have nothing and thats why they havent come forward.
If they have proof that a child is dead then shouldnt they be forced to release this info to the puplic.
Dont the puplic have a right to know if they are in danger or thier childern in danger.
What is it they are holding on too. Maybe they dont have any proof but that sure wouldnt stop them from saying yes we found dna or something along these lines to say she is gone of this world.
Maybe just maybe thats why some cant let this go now they are to involded.
Maybe some of the police down there are up to thier eye balls in it and they cant allow the truth to come out.
Sounds crazy huh but so does facing 225 years for dealing pills on a set up from police.
If Misty isnt involded the Tax payers sure should be allowed to know why they have to house a 17 old girl that sold some pills to a u/c at his request.
Intrapment in my eyes!
lillost1 said,in September 2nd, 2010 at 8:10 am –
You said, “If Misty isnt involded the Tax payers sure should be allowed to know why they have to house a 17 old girl that sold some pills to a u/c at his request. Intrapment in my eyes!”
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Do you believe M was targeted for the drug sting because LE couldn’t prove she had something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance?
Do you believe M’s sentence will be based on assumption of guilt in Haleigh’s disappearance?
Or will the sentence relate only to matters regarding the drug charges?
I’m not challenging you. My answers to the first two questions are – unfortunately – yes. Just curious about your point of view.
Oh I believe without a doubt Misty was targeted because of Haleigh being missing. I have done far to much research on drug arrests and drug related cases in Putnam county to think otherwise. I think if it were not for the fact that Haleigh is missing, there would not have been any kind of a sting, especially given the type of mediocre, middleman dealing that was going on with that group. There are much bigger fish in the sea in Florida’s drug dealing problem then the likes of Misty, TC, Ron, and certainly Hope.
M2c, I agree, on no ‘proof’ as to when Haleigh would have been alive, but LE did say they had removed phyiscal evidence from the MH that did not jive with everything else. I have no clue as to what they found or what they mean by whatever it is does did not fit things the way the stories were intitally told to them.
And yes, most cases start at the last time a person who known to be seen. In this case though AS and/or the neighbors seeing and/or being there I think does take on more weight than whatever Misty states/ed especially at the very beginning. LE has said from the beginning Misty’s story itself is not consistent but also things found in the MH…they did not tell what things in MH or how those things would relate.
Just-saying, that’s right. The discussion started today with a question about why LE did not start the timeline at 8:30 when M got a phone call.
The reason is that it indicates nothing about Haleigh.
I agree that LE thinks they found something in the mh that doesn’t jive with M’s story but we don’t know what. But obviously even LE didn’t find it relevant to a time line.
just saying, the “evidence” that LE may be talking about, that don’t match with what Misty said, could very well be simple things.
Like Misty saying the door was locked but LE found it unlocked with no forced entry.
Misty saying she turned off the lights but LE found the kitchen light on.
Misty at first saying Haleigh was in bed with her then changed that to she was on the mattress on the floor.
Misty got up to go to the bathroom, but instead left the bedroom.
Misty saying Haleigh was wearing a certain piece of clothing but that clothing being found in the laundry basket.
Things like that. I don’t think they found any actual physical evidence that can prove Misty was not at home, or Misty did not go to bed at 10, or Misty did not put the children to bed at 8. If that makes sense.
Morning everyone!!! Yea, It seems we are back in action!!!!!!!!!
I agree with you lillost1 at 8:10 am and WhyLie at 8:18
Ok got my coffee and will catch up. 🙂
Glad to see everyone this morning!
lillost1 said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 8:10 am
TY I agree she wants to be found!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree the sting was conducted because LE did not have a dang thing.
I believe that Misty and Ronald are targets in that town. They were from the day the police couldnt find Haliegh. They closed in on the people closest to her. Now this all played well into the hands of the Sheffields who hated Ronald and believed the childern should have been with Crsyatl.
I am praying that Crsyatl does have Haliegh some place and that people know about it and she is safe.
I dont know why Crystal if she doesnt have her isnt out looking for her child.
I just know I wouldnt beable to sleep at nights with her not found.
I cant now. I have become lost in this case and also have spent many many nights and days reading all I could online for time frames and listen to each and every story out there.
I dont know what one to believe but I do know one thing for sure and thats that Ronald and Misty were set up to take a fall in this case and they have them right where they want them.
Look at any pitcures of Roanld and Crystals childern and tell me they didnt look clean healthy and happy.
Not saying he nor she was a great parent but I dont believe either would bring harm to the child.
Someone needs to stop this crazy ride and go back and look at each and everyone of them.
All Family Members both sides, all sex affenders in the area and the rest of the Croslins including Timmy and Tommys wifes.
They also need to look at Crystals friends and family in the same manner.
I CANT HELP IT BUT WHY DONT THEY SEARCH FOR HER???
That alone speaks volumes to me. I have 3 childern and 9 grand childern no way would I persoanly not be out side every hour I could be hunting and asking the puplic for help to hunt.
Good Morning All!
In reading over the posts, it seems that most agree that the children were in bed at 8pm. I have a hard time beleiving that. If we believe AS was there at 7:30 and the children were still eating supper, it doesn’t seem like half an hour was enough time for them to finish eating, bathe and get to bed. I would be interested in knowing if there was phone call from AS to Ron because she may have noticed something, like Misty’s clothes laid out for a night out. This then could have prompted the call of Ron to Misty and then the argument/ jmo
lillost1,
Your theoretic thoughts on CG involvement is great. IIRC CG was seen pumping gas at a gas station that morning at 5 am and HaLeigh was not with him. We know that CS did not contact either of her parents until that time as well.
IIRC Chad was said to be out all night too.
SO my question is what would be a speculated time line if CG was HaLeighs abductor.
Lets work it backwards to give us some idea of what fits and what does not.
Ms2
Yes I do believe whole heartly that the sting was a result of them (LE) going on a hunch.
I do believe Misty will face an unjust amount of time in jail as will they others for the charges that have been brought before the courts.
I dont why that isnt a story all in itself?
I would fear from this point on for each and every parnet of missing childern.
Do they run the same risk if they awake and find a child missing?
Does anyone know what happened to the sheriffs son when he got busted with that meth lab?
Does he face 15 years plus for having a minor child with him?
lillost1 – I agree. About the sheriff’s son, I don’t know what time he may face but from what I’ve read I think it’s possible that some meth charges can get less than the mandatory minimum on the charges M faces.
If Crystals b/f was down in Putman around 1 he would be getting back around 5 am.
Now whats to say they didnt plan this out in advance and have someone meet them in route back to his home.
He would know that the police would be calling Crystal and he would need to hurry in order to not be caught.
I know in a interview I heard Crystals mom saying that she had a gut feeling Haleigh was out of state and being fed.
Now if this be the case it might explain why they want Ronald held and Misty too.
Not to mention I believe Crystal has issues with Misty for saying that the childern looked at her like she was thier mom.
If any of this makes sence to more then me maybe I am right and someone should do some searching into the other side of this family.
They sure havent acted the way I would act if my little girl was missing.
This is speculation only 😉
11:30 am CS and MG arrive at Hermits cove.
6.5 hours later
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5:00 AM CG is seen pumping gas
5:00 AM CS calls her dad
5:00 AM CS calls her mom
1hr and 11 min later
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3:49 AM Crystal gets a call from TN, HaLeigh is gone.
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This is the driving distance from mud Rd to Green Lane. 3 different options of travel and drive time listed below.
FL-100 E
80.3 mi 1 hour 46 mins
FL-15 S/US-17 S
94.4 mi 1 hour 50 mins
I-95 S
106 mi 2 hours 0 mins
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lillost1- I don’t think Haleigh looked happy in all the pictures. Don’t know where or with who she was with at any time that each picture was taking. But I would not automatically assume she was a happy child or not.
At first all of Ron’s family said how much the children loved Misty and what a wonderful caregiver she was. They continue to say so after Haleigh disappears so what changed for them?
I don’t think LE would advise them to support and speak of Misty positively in public because they (LE) know such statements would come back to bite everyone during a trial should there ever be one! I really would like to know why Ron’s family supported Misty for so long and then what changed to have TN want to see her hang?
I am speculating that at 3:49 am when Crystal received that call Chad was not home yet but by 5 am something provoked CS to make her calls then and I have to ask why? Was it because HaLeigh was there with CS after CG dropped her of and went to fill up?
Do we know what gas station Chad was seen at?
Alexandria
I believe what changed is the same thing that would change for any of us if we were so close to the case.
The Fact that LE is saying that Misty is the Key and so its normal that T.N. being the childs Nan would start to dislike/ hate her.
And I believe she said that if she if found to have sat there while Haliegh was harmed and did nothing but hide then she should be hung.
Mind you I could be wrong on the fact. I just dont believe all things have been looked at or all people have been asked to take the same test Misty has been. I believe until there is solid prove no one should be ruled out is I guess what Im saying.
Hey all, leaving for work again, but glad that someone besides a couple of us are bringing up those points. I want to make a few before I leave:
1. As far as the kitchen light, Misty says she turned all the lights out when she went to bed, but the Kitchen light was ‘on’ when she woke up and found Haleigh gone. I have said all along that the reason it was on was, is because whoever took Haleigh “knew” she was afraid of the dark, so they turned the light on. They also “knew” the back door slammed, that’s why it was propped open, and they also “knew” Misty was a heavy sleeper, and they also “knew” Haleigh and that’s why there was no noise from her!
2. Is it possible that Misty’s phone was ‘turned off’ by someone else? Is it possible that she turned it off and then got busy partying after making the kids go to bed so she could? Is it possible that her phone died and she put it on the charger??? (happens all the time to me).
3. Is it possible that her and Ron got in an argument over her being back at the MH and she better earn her keep and clean the place up and follow the rules! (teenagers hate that). Is it possible that TN was trying to help things by doing some of the laundry, because she knew Ron was struggling and that Misty was a lazy teenager?(yes) Could Misty have started cleaning and throwing clothes to hide them due to knowing Ron would be mad if she hadn’t done what he said? (yes) Teens do that. She made it a point to say she was ‘cleanin’ and made a it a point to say of course she washed a blanket with pee on it…wouldn’t any good g/f do that? (she wanted to be seen in a good light to everyone as not lazy).
3. The drug sting was a case of entrapment in my opinion and if I was on the jury, that is the way I would vote! Were they guilty of using drugs? (yes) but not to the extent that LE would like us to believe. The sentencing is outrageous too and I believe is connected to the Haleigh case. They certainly have the mentality of ‘we are gonna get them to talk one way or the other’. Uh, can we say wrong?!
4. Again, MC and TC are not masterminds who plotted the perfect crime of the century with no proof, no evidence, no body, and have managed to fool the FBI and LE for 2 years. Someone came in and removed her. My opinion is that they were coming back for Jr, when Misty woke up and foiled the plan. (Maybe the squeaking he heard was “wet shoes from coming in from the river”. (*haven’t heard that one from anyone) I still believe she left by way of boat. (neighbors testify that they would of heard a car or anyone in the area that night). It would be the perfect way to get her out of there.
Just my opinion.
Have a great discussion today. Find Haleigh.
lillost1- No, LE said Misty was the key from the beginning. TN still supported her, something else prompted the change!
Texasmommy39
I dont know what gas station. And Isure dont understand the delay in getting there.
6.5 hours just seems very slow and I dont know why it would take so long when its thier flesh and blood child and grandchild to go missing.
I would like the two of you to know that when I read your articles I always know that ya’ll are speaking from your heart. This is the only site that kept Haleigh’s name out there on a regular basis. You both deserve love and hugs and huge pats on the back. I feel that you two are the most honest blogger out there and no one should bash anything you say.
I don’t post just read, but I did want you to know that I personally think you two are great at what you do. I with all the other hope and pray that you will reconsider, so Haleigh’s case doesn’t go cold.
Best to you both.
lillost1 😉 you know why it took so long and so does everyone else. It seems I interupted ya’ll chat this morning. Sorry.
JFI if you focus on this family be prepared to have the facts (if you can find them) and a backbone to with stand the heat or being ignored.
Alexandria
Yes I agree something else did and I would think it was the time and the storys Misty has come up with to try and free herself from this.
Im not saying I dont believe she isnt involded Im saying if she is facing 225 years and has the i.q of a 12 year old and no one can place her outside the m.h. that night maybe just maybe Haliegh has a chance at still being alive.
I would rather believe that someone has her hid away then the aweful things that have been coming from the Croslins.
In the photos I’ve seen, Haleigh looked happy with R – to me. Some people don’t agree. Fine. Matter of opinion. Proves nothing.
Your other point, Alex, “At first all of Ron’s family said how much the children loved Misty and what a wonderful caregiver she was. They continue to say so after Haleigh disappears so what changed for them?”
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Most people would not jump to the conclusion that someone they know, maybe care for, who’s cared for their g-kids and appeared to love them would be responsible for something so awful. Why should they have jumped all over her right away? Especially publicly. LE was doing a fine job of working over M with 30 hours of interrogation etc and no results.
I think it’s perfectly possible that TN and AS were in as much shock as everyone else and didn’t know what to think. But later, LE wore them down as they did so many other people with their relentless ‘M’s the key” carp. They learned more, were beaten down by LE’s position on it and finally had to wonder.
I see nothing sinister or guilty in that at all. In fact it’s seems very human to me.
Apparently my comments are said to stand on there own….. If I was any good at writing I just might believe that.:)
Ya’ll have a great day!
I’m not sure we can put much on TN on feelings towards Misty changing. It is possible that she just did not believe Misty could be capable of doing anything to harm Haleigh in the beginning.
As to the Sheffield’s they seemed not to ‘hate’ Ron so much until KP arrived. I think there was a marked difference in everyone’s attitude after that arrival.
Just an observation from recently, but I noticed what to me (IMO) seemed like a smirk on TN as she was doing the ‘hang’ interview. I could not decide if she thought the thought was somehow ‘funny’ or if she was having a hard time keeping a straight face as in ‘I was aksed to say this to bait her’. Maybe I put too much thought into it, but I would think if she thought Misty was guilty/involved and really honestly thought Misty should be public hung, that she would have been hot faced and boiling mad, not smirking. Anybody else think it seemed odd?
m2c- I don’t think, and I could be wrong, that TN & AS ever liked Misty. They tolerated her for Ron’s sake. I think the reason they no longer babysat was because they wanted to make things so hard on Misty that she would leave. I can’t see AS leaving the children in her care for any other reason but to teach Ron & Misty a lesson. Heck, she was still doing the children’s laundry!
Oh my gosh, in Haleigh’s pics she has the biggest smile, her eyes are bright and laughing, and you can see the spunk in her. Even her school principal commented on what a smiley girl she is. To me it looks like Haleigh is a very happy child.
While we may not agree with the way she was being raised, she loves her family and knows they love her, and she showed no signs of abuse or being unhappy. I am sure the school staff would have picked up on that, as well as DCF, since they are involved in Haleigh and Jr’s lives.
Just-saying- I don’t know how to read body language but I do know people can keep a straight face while lying, they can cry and sometimes produce tears. That being said, I think TN was serious regarding Misty’s faith!
Ok. But, where is she?
All we have is that she ‘dissapeared’. Nothing else.
WhyLie- Not in all of her pictures.
One thing I keep thinking is that Ron’s mom and grandma changed their mind about Misty after the Croslin “stories” came out. JMO
jmo and I know it isn’t going to be popular, I feel TN made that statement about Misty because she blames Misty for the position Ron is currently in.
just-sayin: You said, “I noticed what to me (IMO) seemed like a smirk on TN as she was doing the ‘hang’ interview”
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It would help if you could include a website or some way for us to go see that interview. It’s been a long time since I have seen it and it’ll take a lot of time to search for it.
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Alex, who said that TN and AS didn’t babysit anymore?
Also, if they “wanted to make things so hard on Misty that she would leave,” why would AS still be doing the laundry?
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I think people are reading way too much – and their spin – into expressions and comments given by people in the worst situation, facing cameras, questions etc and also sometimes taking those comments out of context and disecting them too much.
Granny 23 said,in September 2nd, 2010 at 9:44 am One thing I keep thinking is that Ron’s mom and grandma changed their mind about Misty after the Croslin “stories” came out. JMO
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I think that’s very possible. Up to then M didn’t know anything. Then she started telling awful stories. What would anyone think at that point?
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Alex, you said, “TN blames Misty for the position Ron is currently in.”
I think that’s very possible and very natural. Most moms will think the best of their child or at least favor them over another when a problem comes up with a boy/girl friend. Nothing sinister to me. More natural.
I saw it played over numerous times on tv. There might be a site with the clip, but I don’t know offhand. I can’t even remember if it saw JVM or NG (memory of a gnat, LOL) but I saw it over and over. I usually have HLN on for my birds to listen to even when I’m not watching, so it was likely that channel. Sorry, I know that is not helpful.
That’s ok, just-sayin. Sometimes I think expressions I see have relevant meaning and sometimes I don’t. But peoples’ opinions about that can be different.
AS didn’t want the children to suffer! I don’t think she thought it would come to this or she probably would have taken the children that night. I feel she was unhappy that Misty returned, she didn’t want Haleigh going to school in dirty clothes so there would be no need for the school to make a DCFS referral.
m2c- Do you think if it turns out that Ron is the responsible one for Haleigh’s disappearance that TN would want Ron to face the same faith as wants for Misty?
I think someone should take over for about a week or so for Jan and give her a break. I also think if everyone would learn to get along there would be no need for her to babysit this site. I also believe that if you all worked together you may figure out where this baby is.
how about from this post forward it will be all about Heleigh and figureing out where she is.
Thank you and WHERE IS HELEIGH?
Just saying I thought that interview was odd. TN said if this story is true then Misty needs to be hung. Why only Misty? In Mistys account of the story all she did is grab Jr. and hide under covers. Joe is the perp that allegedly murdered her granddaughter, not to mention Tommy was on the ride along for the disposal. I do not believe this story myself.jmo
m2c said,in September 2nd, 2010 at 9:20 am In the photos I’ve seen, Haleigh looked happy with R – to me. Some people don’t agree. Fine. Matter of opinion. Proves nothing.
Your other point, Alex, “At first all of Ron’s family said how much the children loved Misty and what a wonderful caregiver she was. They continue to say so after Haleigh disappears so what changed for them?”
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Most people would not jump to the conclusion that someone they know, maybe care for, who’s cared for their g-kids and appeared to love them would be responsible for something so awful. Why should they have jumped all over her right away? Especially publicly. LE was doing a fine job of working over M with 30 hours of interrogation etc and no results.
I think it’s perfectly possible that TN and AS were in as much shock as everyone else and didn’t know what to think. But later, LE wore them down as they did so many other people with their relentless ‘M’s the key” carp. They learned more, were beaten down by LE’s position on it and finally had to wonder.
I see nothing sinister or guilty in that at all. In fact it’s seems very human to me.
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Most people wouldn’t say “She wanted Misty to be her mommy” either? TN IMO was singing high praises of Misty but Misty wasn’t a known liar then?? After Misty told so many stories and failed the tests….Then TN says she’s lying and should be hung or whatever,Well why does she not want tommy hung too,or Jo for that matter if he was involved,Just Misty Imo because Misty knows alot,Just my opinion.
Beside m2,if they only knew her 4 months then she’d be the first one I’d question? and moreso because she had HaLeigh last???
Ron was protecting her from day one when he should have let her talk to media and mess up?? Did he? Heck no he didn’t!!!He was coaching her?? and told N/G he just didn’t ask why she changed her story? So I don’t agree!!
That interview was done on August 18th, 2010
Goodmorning Chatty!
I dont think anybody would ever want to beleive somebody they knew could be capable of hurting a child. I think TN told her feelings about Misty honestly in the beginning, but then I thought perhaps she was putting it on a little thick to try and gain Mistys confidence to get the story out of her.
Heard a lot of naysayers say those photos were ‘planned’, set up to show DCS how happy Haleigh was with her dad. Those pictures in no way look set up to me at all. Haleigh looked genuinely very happy in those pictures. You cant fake a 5 yr olds enthusiasm.
Some things on those tv entertainemt shows are pre planned as is the story content. Guests usually are handed an outline/rough draft of what the topic is and also will go as far as to prep their guests with information and questions the host or hostess will use. the coordinators will pre prompt guests to get a reaction. Happens all the time. It is not cold filming.
I was reading through prior interviews last night and came across yet another interesting piece of information. Remember all the doubt Chelsea had about Joe O. from the beginning? In an interview with AH at a later date, that are in his transcripts from last year, she was saying how Joe could do no wrong and he was such a nice guy. I just dont understand why somebody who isnt a direct part of what happened would keep switching her stories left and right.
We have two accounts where we hear Annette Sykes stating from her own mouth what time she was at Rons home. In one back in March 2009 I believe, she says she was there @7pm and then in April 2010 on NG she says she was there @ 7:30pm.
I agree with you Lady day.
I think TN’s perspective changed in a considerable way around the time of the LVA tests when more stories came out. Very understandable.
Alex, you ask if a mother would want to see her son hung? Come on. Get real. First, it’s a figure of speech and second M is not related to her.
Let’s look at something of significance fps.
When LE has NO forensics to prove a crime or who is responsible, then they NEED a confession, thus we have the Croslins accounts of what happened. Misty and Tommy have been pressured from all sides–LE, their attorneys, and their own family to “TELL THE TRUTH.” But their accounts are nothing more than “false confessions” wrangled from them by overzealous cops. Notice their minimal participation in the crime–that’s a tactic LE uses to suggest to them a scenario that implicates them in the crime, but with very little involvement on their parts. Neither one says “I did it”, but just they witnessed it. These people are easily suggestible and manipulated and LE “pinched” them until they come up with this story. Granted this story has been picked apart by us and can be disproven by the evidence. They searched the river and found nothing to conclusively put Haleigh in that water(yet shortly after LE deems this a homicide). These confessions have been made public and released to the media (by their own attorneys)–I ask who actually allows that to happen when there is an ongoing investigation (and according to the account the main one responsible (JO) is still running free)? LE has not been able to find this child for over 18 months, so NOW it becomes paramount for someone to implicate themselves in this crime, and Misty and Tommy have. Case closed? Not by a long shot..but Misty and Tommy will probably face charges in this case and more than likely be convicted by an unsuspecting public that wants NOTHING more than to see someone held responsible for this crime. Some see this case as all ready over with this incarceration for the drugs..I see it as just beginning..There will be NO justice or peace for Haleigh until all aspects of this case are put under the microscope and all people withstand the scrutiny that Misty and Tommy have. The pressure “Inside the BOX” (the interrogation room) can and does spit out “false confessions” and in my opinion that is what happened here. JMO
CC, in the ‘interview’ Teresa was being asked about what was currently being said by Misty. I think, as all I kept seeing was the brief clips of TN and her response to a question…I did not see the entire question and answer session (maybe someone else did if they caught it like on the local news).
I can’t say TN was only thinking MC should be the one and only person hung. I believe from what I saw, TN was being asked a specific question and was giving a specific response to the direct question. But again, imo.
m2c to be fair in THs statement on the 18th of August it was not a figure of speech for her. She said that Misty needed to be taken out to the town square and given an ole fashioned hanging. Quite descriptive.
oops TN
hey Looking,hey all,lol
LadyDay- I don’t think the pictures were staged but a picture is of that moment. Have you ever gone to a photographer with a child, The child may be fussy and annoyed and the photographer does what he/she can to get the child to laugh or smile and when it happens, snap the picture is taken before the child gets fussy again!
JenM said,in September 1st, 2010 at 10:18 pm …Maybe a certain someone thinks that Lisa knows something and will confide in them if they help her??? Just a thought. Slime is slime when it comes to winning.
I read your comments, JenM. 🙂 I agree with this one, in particular! Thanks.
HEY!!
Exactly Looking?
imo they didn’t want Misty looked at because it would lead to them?? They made that obvious! jmo
Alex, that’s true. But most of these were candid photos taken of interaction between child and dad.
I’m sure Haleigh did fuss at times and get mad at her dad like all kids do, too. But it doesn’t belie the true emotion in those photos – to me.
Again, this is very subjective so why are we even talking about it?
Looking,when you can,lets go over to the forum and I’ll help you do what we talked about in email?? lol
Heading there now Chatty
just-saying said,in September 2nd, 2010 at 10:27 am CC, in the ‘interview’ Teresa was being asked about what was currently being said by Misty. I think, as all I kept seeing was the brief clips of TN and her response to a question…I did not see the entire question and answer session (maybe someone else did if they caught it like on the local news).
I can’t say TN was only thinking MC should be the one and only person hung. I believe from what I saw, TN was being asked a specific question and was giving a specific response to the direct question. But again, imo.
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Worth repeating. It also applies to most of the comments that get interpeted and disected.
For me it is in the eyes. Eyes don’t lie. Abused children have a look in their eyes, a sadness. It is not about if the child is laughing or crying when the pic is taken. Look at the difference between Caylee’s eyes and Haleigh’s eyes. Caylee’s eyes have a sadness in them. If you go online and look at pics of abused children you will see a similar look in their eyes.
Alex, many many times I have said that I have about six theories and one of them has R being responsible in some way. I can’t help it if the REASONS that some people have to support that kind of theory do not appear to me to be substantive.
To try to be clear: I can agree to it in theory but I don’t see much to support it. Certainly not enough or the kind of thing that would make me say “Oh, yeah, I really believe this.”
I’ll be back when the topic is back on track.
Ahem! Many opinions are fine. Actually, many opinions are good, because they make us think logically. Everyone has opinions and everyone is entitled to them. Just because someone else has a different opinion, it doesn’t mean that yours isn’t worthy or well stated. Don’t take it personally if someone thinks differetly than you do. Others read these comments who may appreciate your words but never speak up.
Jan and Simon,
I haven’t posted here in quite a long time. It was stressing me out to do so. Lately I’ve just been reading the articles and ignoring the comments. I still consider this the best source of information as to what is going on in Haleigh’s case. I will continue following the case but will sorely miss your coverage of events. I just wanted to personally thank you for all your hard work and devotion. As stressed out as I’ve been from time to time over this case, I can only imagine what you two have been through. If it were me in your situation I’d likely be bald and dangerously underweight by now. Please do take good care of yourselves and know that you are appreciated and admired by many of us.
Best wishes to you both.
And back to the main topic of Simon’s article. I can fully understand your frustration and upset at attacks on Jan. Jan is a very smart and caring individual. This comes across as clear as day in her articles and I, as well as many, respect her and admire her for it. All I can do is to remind you that there are idiots as well as decent people out there in the blogging world. Although it’s hard, it’s best to completely ignore the idiots. Even if they have idiot groupies that go along with them.
The intelligent people will hear the truth. I do hope that you will reconsider and resume after taking a break, but will completely understand if you don’t. What you have given us is a gift and we are appreciative. I really do feel that it has been a help to finding little Haleigh because it has kept her name out in the public eye – just as you meant it to do.
If you do decide to continue with the Haleigh articles and radio discussions, just keep reminding yourself – IGNORE THE DUFUSES! IGNORE THE DUFUSES! IGNORE THE DUFUSES!
I haven’t seen as many pictures of Haleigh as I have of Caylee. yes there are pictures of Caylee with sad eyes but I also have seen happy pictures of her as I’ve seen with Haleigh. There was a picture of Haleigh in a green top and she looked so depressed it reminded me of the sad eyed Caylee. Some of you may not agree but that’s what I saw!
When you compare these cases it seems like it is perfectly fine for a mother to defend her child in the Haleigh case and in the Caylee case the mother defending her child is a monster! Why? Anything sinister here?
Couldnt agree more, Aligoo. If somebody researched the information out there about a certain individual nothing more would need to be said and we can all move on and Simon and Jan could continue with their untireless work on this matter and not be fearful of attacks. Itll happen no matter what so move on and keep up with the great reporting and caring feelings for Haleigh and many others.
Quite frankly, I am shocked that another person who worked so hard for a degree didnt check out the particulars. Stupid is as Stupid does I guess.
Alex I don’t remember seeing that pic, do you remember where you might have seen it?
I just went through my pics of Haleigh, I have a bunch, the only ones I have of her, that I saw in my folder, with her wearing a green shirt, were pics of her at the park, pics of her at Christmas, and pics of her on her first day of school.
The pictures are irrelevant anyway,I think we have all said at one time or another that Ron loved Haleigh,and he did,and if he is proven guilty of a crime in this case I still say he loved her dearly?????? But i would also say, as I always have that something just went horribly wrong and I do believe he was abusive to everyone in his life?? jmo
CC, Ron was not the only person in Haleigh’s life that could have been abusing her. To me that is why the pics are relevant. In those pics, and in the descriptions people have given about Haleigh, there is no indication of abuse, physical or sexual.
we weren’t discussing anyone else,thats all I was replying too?
We have conducted formal interviews with 76 different individuals who were identified as having possible information in the Haleigh investigation. DNA samples were collected from many of those interviewed and compared to evidence collected in the case.
Snpped from LE post at the 1 year mark. Some want to say LE has no evidence but here it says they have DNA evidence they haveyet to find a match for. So I wonder what this DNA IS?
bLOOD, SALIVA, HAIR, OTHER BODY FLUIDS? WHAT COULD IT BE? JMO
Amen Adams!
I am so hungry i could eat a horse with the hair on him!
wow, 76 people and no match to the evidence, someone is not telling who was really there that night. And whoever it was has not been discovered because we all know LE would follow them and wait to get something with their DNA on it. Cig. butt, pop can, coffee cup, klenex etc. hmmm.jmo
Me and Looking were in the forum,sorry.rofl,thought i typed that into that post and didn’t see it and now i know why,LMAO
but i am hungry,lol
I hadn’t noticed that before Tobias?
Tobias–They have DNA evidence they have NO match for..WOW! Then why would they care about what Misty and Tommy have to say. Misty can not be the “key” if they have DNA–the match for that DNA is the “key” and yet they also have ruled out “stranger abduction”? It boggles the mind! Thanks for the info, by the way. JMO
Robin,I am totally in shock myself now?
lillost1 said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 8:10 am
Google it and see its a 4 hr drive if Im correct.
I dont know about anyone else but me and I know if that was my little girl I would have made it there in less time unless the police pulled me over and took my car.
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(Cut a piece of your post)
From Crystal’s home in Baker County to Satsuma is actually approximately a 2 hour drive, not 4. Driving in the middle of the night when your child is missing, Crystal could have made it there in an hour and a half (at LEAST!)
I agree with you. I would have been packing a bag for my other child while on the phone receiving the initial call, grabbing my car keys and hauling butt to Putnam County. Not waiting over an hour to call my mother who lives on the same property next door.
Tobias–Can you post the link or tell me where to look to find that information you just posted? Thank you.
Just so ya guys know and hopefully Jan sees,there are people from another site over in the forum and posting the forum link on another site??
adding fuel to a gas fire?
If they have DNA evidence and still have no match to it then it sounds like it wasn’t somebody who is part of the family and was in the MH regularly.
Right WhyLie,exactly!
It means they ain’t got the right people??
Maybe a bunch of thug dealers? who knows?
WhyLie–I agree. I found the article and it also stated 644 reported sightings of Haleigh since her abduction. These cannot all be investigated thoroughly in my opinion. Thanks again Tobias for the info and it only reinforces my belief that LE has it wrong. They still tout Misty as being the “key”, even though there might be DNA evidence to clearly exonerate her. This only reinforces my belief that LE is pressuring them and that the result was those crazy implications their lawyers went public with. JMO
Granny 23 said,in September 2nd, 2010 at 9:44 am
One thing I keep thinking is that Ron’s mom and grandma changed their mind about Misty after the Croslin “stories” came out. JMO
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My opinion sure as hell changed. I was one of the most ardent Misty supporters in the beginning. That sure changed last fall.
Some people think that once you say something you are locked into that, but people change their minds as new facts become available.
I think that is exactly what TN and Mrs Sykes did..change their minds and opinions of Misty as they learned new things.
WhyLie said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm
If they have DNA evidence and still have no match to it then it sounds like it wasn’t somebody who is part of the family and was in the MH regular
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Or it means it’s DNA from the people who were in the mobile home before Ron moved in 4 months earlier. Like visitors to the previous tenants or whomever cleaned the mobile home up before they re-rented it or people walking through the mobile home to see if they wanted to rent it..
I think its normal that there might be a picture of afew of Haleigh where she might not look happy, I would find it very strange if there wasnt any infact she is a human and Im sure she had moments that she didnt smile.
For the most part though from what I seen Ronald and his family kept her and jr clothed happy and fed. She looked to me like she loved her Dad awhole bunch and vise versa.
I guess I want to believe someone stole her atleast that way I would know she “might” someday be found.
I feel that all the leads in the case have not been looked at.
I mean how many sex affenders in that area and all where ruled out in such a short time?
Look all I am thinking is that so far I see no results in this case at all.
I also see not too many people trying to find ansewers and that worries me to no end,
I believe “us” as a group need to stand hard fast to what we believe and agree to disagree on some topics but lets not forget or give up on why we are here.
Simon and Jan please I beg of you both to leave the blog running on Haliegh she really needs someone in her corner.
Is there no one left taht is willing to go hunt the area for Haleigh?
Is there no funds left from the Haleighbug center to hire a new set of eyes and breath some new life into this story.
Lets all remeber this story isnt about Misty Ron,Crystal, Tommy none of them matter right now.
Its not about Lisa and Hank or Kim its about a baby that needs your help.
She only needs to be found she dont need us all fighting and I question anyone who would try and cause trouble for people that are trying nothing but to find out where Haleigh is at tonight.
Thise people for some reason aim to Hush her Voice again from the world.
I say we scream it aloud that this will not happen.
Her Voice will be heard and her story told.
She is worth the fight I just hope no one here will give up on her yet.
God Bless all and please keep your minds open to each other.
Between us all we must be smart enough to figure out away to help this baby.
The wild weekend should have changed their mind,they were all smiles at the wedding?
I have company,bbl
Does Florida take DNA samples of anyone convicted of a felony?
Good point Vaquera, and if that’s the case then the DNA samples taken from the MH are pretty much useless.
I believe DNA is taken from all convicted felons in Florida. I think there may be some misdemeanor charges where DNA is also collected.
That would depend on where the DNA was found. If it was on something they owned or wore it wouldnt have come from the previous owners. I doubt LE would say this if it were subject to being there from the previous owners that wouldnt work in a court. jmo
I sometimes wonder if LE isnt waiting for somebody to make a move, say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing, I mean outside of the incarcerated ones. The most experienced criminal is never perfect, more often than not something eventually links the crime to a POI. In this, I cannot beleive that this bunch are that bright to get away with this. Even with the blatant news from two lawyers that point the finger right back to Joe, look how much time has expired since that story came out and is Joe in jail or being questioned again? No. I bet to this day people are still being watched by ways not so obvious to the general public. Whatever happened, this will NEVER go away until we see some type of satisfaction. Whoever else is involved, will always have to look over their shoulder. I hope it eats them up alive.
Yet again…
This little girl is lost, most-likely never to be found.
There have been so many stories told that when a truth has been told – it may have been taken for a lie!
15 years for every Cummings, Croslin, Hayes and Brock is not justice, it is an insult to the criminal system! And still the question linqures on…
Where is Haliegh!?!
where could Heliegh be?
has anyone been tp Putman or does anyone live there that has been to or around the MH? I was just wondering if it’s possiable that Heliegh was placed near the MH? I just don’t see that group taking her far.
that should be to Putman not tp
Jaceesmom, that area is surrounded by woods,the st.Johns river and swamp areas. There is so many places they could of put her.
If the Croslin van was used to take out Haleigh and dispose of her at the dock at Shell Harbour it would not have gotten the damage at that time I do not believe. I think it would have been out in the woods somewhere, perhaps near or in one of the ponds. I have been told there is one of those ponds that do exist in between Rons home and Shell Harbour. Perhaps we need to look at the map again and see if we can locate that area.
Excuse me, I am sorry to interrupt.
Will the good members of the Forum please go over there and read my last post. Thank you.
OH YES, I am beyond mad.
Excuse me every one. I can not get into the forum. Can any one tell me what I am doing wrong? I am using the same username and Email address that I use for this comments section. Am I to do something different?
You need to email Jan at jannyo@yahoo.com
Thank you Vaquera 😉
WOW We sure are getting more people posting and discussing the case maybe we should be thankful for all the hits and added dicussion when its such a quiet time???
Would anyone like to give an opinion on what they believe will happen when Ron goes in to be sentenced? Will it be the 15 everyone else is getting or more??? jmo
I think he will get 15, even though he deserves much more.He has many priors.
Finally got it! Just waiting for approval to post in forums. I have been around for over a year. Just typically do not have much to say. I enjoy reading most every one’s comments, opinions, theories etc.
Welcome Ginaj-IN
Thank you Looking
My sister believes he is gonna walk free!
I think Ron will get 15. Now Misty, what she will get is a total crap shoot.
I pled guilty to a charge with a min/man sentence. He has to get at least 15, if I understand the law correctly.
I meant “he” pled, not “I” pled, lol.
Oh man I can see it now, they will take my typo and swear it is Ron posting from jail, LOL.
I agree WhyLie, Donnas lawyer tried to get less but Burgess said she did not think she could go any lower than the min/man and She got 15
LOL! Whylie.
LOL, I can see the tweets flying now!
Donna can write a book now that she’ll have plenty of time, hmmm, how about “Menopause Behind Bars”
can you imagine those hot flashes!
Well imo, Donna got less time then she deserved, and had I been the judge sitting on that bench, she would have gotten the max allowed.
I still wonder why she did not get additional charges to the one trafficking charge?
Thelma and Louis= Donna and Misty lol
Lady and the tramp= dont know who would qualify for the lady .
10 easy steps not to be successful?
Tinkerbelle meets Maude?
OOPS that would be adult reading only. jmo
tobias said,in September 2nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm Thelma and Louis= Donna and Misty lol
Lady and the tramp= dont know who would qualify for the lady .
10 easy steps not to be successful?
Tinkerbelle meets Maude?
OOPS that would be adult reading only. jmo
How about Dumb and Dumber?
Ithink she did by her docket it said she got her drivers license taken for 2 years. jmo
lol!!!
LOL! like she would be driving in prison?
Dumb dumber and dumbo. lol got have some comic relief. jmo
I think its with the fine she got on release. By the time she gets out she may not be able to pass the driving course anyhow.jmo
tobias said,in September 2nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm Dumb dumber and dumbo. lol got have some comic relief. jmo
Dayum! I forgot about Tommy!
The DL suspension is probably the judges way of punishing Donna for the road rage incident.
We should have sent the judge a pic of Donna flipping the bird during a photo shoot at a missing child search. Maybe then the judge could see just what a “good” volunteer Donna is.
WhuLie- funny typo! lol, I think Ron will get 15 years. I’m still shocked that is all Donna got! When out of staters get long sentences does Florida try to send them to their home state?
No if they are sentenced in Florida, they serve their sentence in Florida.
oh! I did a typo too! sorry!
I guess only Hope & Ron will get visits!
So lets see, an alternative timeline:
3:30 pm – 3:45 pm – someone picks Haleigh up from the bus stop (at different times TN said she picked Haleigh up at 3:30, Ron said he picked Haleigh up at 3:45, neighbors that were at the bus stop said Misty picked Haleigh up)
4:00 pm – 4:45 pm – Ron leave the MH to go to “werk”.
5:00 pm – ???? pm – Ron calls Misty upwards of 20 times.
8:30 pm – ??? pm – Ron calls Tommy
3:00 pm – Ron says he left work
5:00 pm – 3:00 pm – according to some rumors Ron was seen by different people out and about Palatka – so if we believe all rumors at some point during this time Ron actually left work and may or may not have returned.
3:35 pm – Ron says he got home from “werk”
3:37 pm – 911 call made
T. C. = Alfred E. Newman – ‘What? Me Worry?’
Sitting on my hands now and licking my wounds.
TN never said she picked up Haleigh from the bus stop.
LadieSadie, TN said Haleigh got off the bus at 3:30pm. There was an error in the transcript on NG. If you listen to the video, She says her son picked up Haleigh. I just wanted to clarify so that we have the correct info.
I just placed a link in the forum. It states LE stated Ron called Misty 20 times but could not reach her. You will see that title on the page of the link.I think it is safe to call that a fact now.
To help on the work time of Ron. Terry Shoemaker( Ron lawyer) said that Ron got to work about 4:30pm, but he was not suppose to be there until 5pm.
Looking? You mean to tell me that he didn’t call her 98 times,wowwwww……LoL
Ron called Tommy at 9pm and in the link I posted LE said Tommy said he was at the mobile home about9:45pm and the home was locked and dark.
Ron says he got home at 3:24pm and the 911 call was @3:27am.
We have not seen LE say that yet, but LOL!!!!
I do wonder where ah got that.LoL
OH Chatty! I can CCP!! Thank you very much!
His sources. Perhaps oneday we will find out.
TJ Hart said that LE told him that TC claimed to have gone to the MH in the 10:00 hour, which would be between 10 and 11. I trust that is what LE told TJ.
CC, are you here… did you get the vids I emailed ya?
If Im not mistaken, I had heard this ’90 phone calls’ business said in a flippant way by a Good Ol’ Boy. I dont think he started the rumor, and the tape I heard could have been edited, but said it in a way like one would say ‘she used a ton of hairspray on her hair’ or ‘She used 20 lbs of make-up on her face’, it was just a figure of speech, but somebody else ran with it as fact and now it makes it as fact since its in the media? I dont think so.
http://sendcashnow.wordpress.com/
Always glad to share something that will bring a tear to your eye and a jiggle to your belly. Please this makes this day worth everything. I wish I knew who to say, Well Done!
ty TEX IT IS THE BEST. LOL WHOEVER WROTE IT IS AN ARTIST.LOL
Texasmommy- that was precious
tm39- that was great! thank you for the laugh!
Texasmommy–That was priceless.
LadyDay that was actually a joke between Chatty and I in the above post.
I had stated that LE stated that Ron called Misty 20 times in my 6:41 post and it went from there.
LFJ, I wonder who else he called or was it just Misty? Remember they have all his phone pings for that night. It would be strange if he made no other calls, wouldnt it? jmo
Talk to ya all in the morning. Pray for Haleigh.
Sorry but I had to let you know there are changes on Tommys docket and Mistys you may wantto see and talk over tonight. jmo bye now.
OMG! TexasMommy – I think we all needed that fantastic comedic relief!
Sorry, Looking for Justice. Just get fed up with that AH banter and now others have taken up not only the 90 call chant, but has turned to 98. Lets make it an even 100, shall we? Never mind, AH probably has already done that by now.
http://sendcashnow.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/please-stop-lying/
HMMM will this ever end LMAO?
Looks like some big changes are going on with Tommy’s sentencing:
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: REOPENED CASE
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION
Defendant: CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias: No Alias Records
08/17/2010 62 MOTION FOR MODIFICATION OF SENTENCE
08/25/2010 63 ORDER OF DRUG OFFENDER PROBATION
08/26/2010 65 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 10/04/2010 AT 03:00
08/27/2010 64 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 10/04/2010 AT 03:00
09/01/2010 66 MOTION TO TRANSPORT PRISONER
Looks like Tommy’s sentence is being changed to probation.
It is alright LadyDay. No problem. I do not know if there was 98 calls on Rons phone that night. I do agree with Tobias that Ron called more than just Misty. It is just that 20 calls alone went to Misty.
What they heck is going on? Why all these changes?
Do you think he finally told the truth? Is this just shock value and means nothing?
LadieSadie did you check Mistys. Tobias says there is changes in hers as well.
That motion was on Haleighs birthday for modification of sentencing. This was the same day Fields said the stuff about Haleigh being put into a black bag and disposed of.
TM39- too funny!
LadySadie- What do the changes mean? Are there any chages to Hope’s docket?
Then only change I saw on Misty’s is they have changed her sentencing date, all have the same notation:
08/16/2010 46 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30 YRS DOC &/OR $10,000 FINE
08/16/2010 46 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 10/19/2010
08/16/2010 46 SENTENCING RESET TO 10/04/2010 @ 1:30 PM
08/19/2010 47 REQUEST FOR PSI
08/19/2010 48 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)
08/19/2010 49 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)
09/02/2010 50 CASE RESET TO 10/19/2010
Thanks Ladyday. Do you think he will get it?
Sorry! I meant Ladiesadie
LookingForJustice@9:56 pm. Ronald could have made 90-strike that 98 calls with-in a twenty four hour period, but he must have an awfully long power cord for his phone or something more powerful than an energizer bunny under that battery flap. Then all that noise coming from his skip loader or whatever it was he was using at work.
Just to clarify, I meant the banter AH creates either on his blog or when hes on tv. Not the banter all of us share from time to time.
Thinking out loud…I am wondering if the shemale benefactortress could es’plain herself on that wonderful and delightful page(s) that TM provided to us. I need to let the person who wrote it know that the color cannot be found at the Walmart(theres THAT name again!)It looks like Matrix brand Beachy Blonde.
Ginaj-IN said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Thank you Vaquera 😉
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You’re more than welcome 🙂
Tommy already was sentenced to 10 years drug offender probation AFTER his 15 years. Prison time is mandatory.
Tommy’s sentence (not including fines)
8/06/2010 55 15 YEARS DOC WITH 197 DAYS CREDIT FOLLOWED BY
08/06/2010 55 10 YEARS DRUG OFFENDER PROBATION
Tommy’s attorney filed a motion to modify his sentence. Pretty basic stuff (and useless)
08/17/2010 62 MOTION FOR MODIFICATION OF SENTENCE
08/25/2010 63 ORDER OF DRUG OFFENDER PROBATION
08/26/2010 65 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 10/04/2010 AT 03:00
08/27/2010 64 NOTICE OF HEARING SET ON 10/04/2010 AT 03:00
09/01/2010 66 MOTION TO TRANSPORT PRISONER
He is not getting out of prison. 😉
LadySadie said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Then only change I saw on Misty’s is they have changed her sentencing date, all have the same notation:
08/16/2010 46 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30 YRS DOC &/OR $10,000 FINE
08/16/2010 46 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 10/19/2010
08/16/2010 46 SENTENCING RESET TO 10/04/2010 @ 1:30 PM
08/19/2010 47 REQUEST FOR PSI
08/19/2010 48 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)
08/19/2010 49 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (10-04-2010 @ 1:30 PM)
09/02/2010 50 CASE RESET TO 10/19/2010
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wow, I think that is a record for updating a court record for Putnam County.
I wonder why her sentencing was pushed back to the `19th and does it have anything to do with Tommy going to court on the 4th? weird
I know I will be blasted for this but I feel we all need to stop with this Kim P stuff.(JMO) I don’t defend her at all and I really hate the stuff she has said about Simon/Jan…but to revel in her misfortunes makes us just as bad as her. She has kids and they will read this stuff. She and her husband have obviously made a mess of their life.
Jan/Simon – I am really not defending anything she has done to you. This is just getting all too ugly for me.
looking for Justice said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
I had stated that LE stated that Ron called Misty 20 times in my 6:41 post and it went from there.
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yep, they sure did.I’ve posted 2 links to articles probably 4 times that said that same thing..I guess it still hasn’t caught on. 😀
tobias said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Tobyimo said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Alexandria Loring said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm
robin said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
LadyDay said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Alexandria Loring said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 10:03 pm
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Ya’ll are very welcome. 😉
I have to say this plot is thicker than I suspected. I don’t know about all of you, but, again I question what all this has to do with HaLeigh?
Do I dare say what I think about all this BS? Nope, it is not worth the effort when it seems everyone is again playing games to justify their dirty deeds.
MONEY is the root of all evil and the shade that the sweet as cyanide benefactor of Kim’s has pointed out. Now I would like to know where it has been stated KP was seeking revenge against CS in her agenda in Satsuma? Is this the truth of the matter?
Seems like money and revenge has been a common theme aside from the drugs. It also appears those drug charges and sentencing are still up in the air for the three that have been in this up to their eye balls.
Food for thought.
JillF said,in September 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 pm I know I will be blasted for this but I feel we all need to stop with this Kim P stuff.(JMO) I don’t defend her at all and I really hate the stuff she has said about Simon/Jan…but to revel in her misfortunes makes us just as bad as her. She has kids and they will read this stuff. She and her husband have obviously made a mess of their life.
Jill, you are completely right, of course. HOWEVER, she DID come across as a shamelss opportunist by reinserting herself in the case by befrending one of the most pitiful and helpless of the cast of characters. This puts her motives in question. Then the overly nasty slam of Simon and Jan was shocking and repulsive. Putting herself out there and exploiting others is not the way to clean up the mess that one has made of their lives.
WhyLie said,
in September 2nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Donna can write a book now that she’ll have plenty of time, hmmm, how about “Menopause Behind Bars”
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Undercover Mamma Goes to the Big House
😀
Why would someone need drug offender probation if he is going to be locked up for 15 years?
I don’t mean to be blasting you in any way, JillF. In principle, I agree with your point. In practice, I guess I’m a little wishy-washy on it!
Aligoo – I understand what you are saying – thanks.
JillF I have to be honest I agree, but, it is a good thing we are witness to this side of the story and its ugly truths. This is not our fight and never was, but, some how we have been along for the ride and I am ready for this ride to be over and done with.
Checking in….good posts today! I think Jill is just saying that we should not lower ourselves to Kp’s level and it serves no purpose to slam her and continually bring the subject up. It doesn’t help find Haleigh and it doesn’t help J and S feel better either. So, I agree. I think if you want to slam her, then go to ‘her site’, etc…. So, thanks for that good advice Jill, and I will keep it in mind when writing here.
Let’s find Haleigh.
Texasmommy39. Its a chance for some to go from bottom rung to grabbing the brass ring, and somebody in the middle has probably opened promised this, but the brass in this case is made of copper and will turn ones neck a putrid green, its more than that, much more than a possible 6 to 12 show contract with a media outlet. It is more than being promised maybe a shot at an open chair gig on one of the many programs (cough, cough) in the near future, its more than trying to get on Team (insert name of choice here) if anyone is ever formally charged for accessory or whatever to the Haleigh case. Im afraid somebody is going to try and ante up more money and try to get Misty out of jail or at least get her time cut way down. I have my own suspicions. It has absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh unfortunately, but has a lot to do with wanting, commanding absolute presence, being so cut throat to reach whatever plateau they think they are going to reach. Allocades and Celebrity is a wonderful thing, but it has to be earned to be accepted and recognized by peers.
I want so bad to spit something out that came to mind as clear as a shot, but I cannot. Some things are best left unsaid. Ill go back to sitting on my hands now.
Never forget the main reason why we are here. Haleigh. First, Foremost and Always.
Goodnight.
I never forget the main reason why we are here. Haleigh. First, Foremost and Always.
I am not slamming KP I am trying to understand what all this chit has to do with HaLeigh.
We the public make celebrities even when they do not deserve it, Maggot is just one example.
Can anyone here from this site help with a search if one was set up?
Can or would we be allowed to look for Haleigh or do we need someones permission to help find a missing child.
I see many people stating they would do anything to get to the bottom of this story and find out what took place.
I am sick of no one looking for Haleigh and the one person I thought for sure was would search is now locked away for many years to come.
Ronald Cummings.
Is there anyway a search can be brough about if not to find a smiling Haliegh then to recover her and bring her on home to her resting place.
Ethier way to me that would be the first and formost justice we could offer this baby.
TM, Like your post. I was actually talking about the self imposed wanna be celebrity some people think they are. Sort of like what happened to that young woman who had all those babies at once. She sure got celebrity and what she thought herself as, turned right around and bit her. Infamous, yes. Celebrity, hardly. True solid celebrity is earned. I see nothing celebratory yet. Just a very sad story with a whiz bang side show attached, out there in the media, for all to see.
Unfortunately, I think Haleigh is being used as a springboard to further others aspirations at whatever they are trying to aspire to. Too obvious.
I hope everybody has a splendid weekend. Stay Safe.
lillost1- Ron had the opportunity to search but, jmo, he searched the way Casey Anthony did!
So I don’t think he would be much help!
JillF- We are not laughing at misfortune but style of writing. While the articles give us a chuckle they also give us motive for involvement in this case.
Alex, We know Ron searched with TM, and TN had stated that Ron was depressed one day because he had nobody to search with. I have a feeling Ron was searching, as well as the rest of his family, more then the general public knows.
WhyLie- I saw a picture of him on a horse & one on an ATV, but again jmo, if it wasn’t for the horse & atv, I don’t think he would have been out there at all!
I don’t think any parent should go out to search for their child especially when they’re searching at a time and in places where the child would obviously already be dead and when LE and volunteers are searching. I can’t imagine what it would be like if they found the child!
There are other things parents can do. And it’s fine with me if they do no more than stay home and try to cope or pray or whatever they can manage.
I can’t judge a parent for searching or not searching under these circumstances. I don’t want parents to think they have to do certain things to convince the public they’re innocent.
Amen to that, m2c!
Yes, a parent should not go out and put on a show that they are searching when it isn’t in there heart to do so. In many cases it would be best for the parent(s) to help behind the scenes and as they receive comfort, also comfort others in their family who may need it, like a sibling of the missing child.
I wouldn’t advise any parent to go on a drug run or out searching at Fusions.
Hi, Simon!
I admire and respect that you do not appreciate people bashing Jan, your wife. My husband is the same way. If he caught me crying and found out why (like you did Jan), look out guilty party!
I read some comments on what I consider a trash site. I normally would not click on that site but I wanted to see exactly what was being said. A commenter on another site mentioned the filthy comments and I thought, “No, decent people would not do that.” Well, trash does!
Sick comments! Sick, hateful people!
I am appalled that adults use such filthy language and would post such trash for the world to see. I know they would not do that in person; not if they did not want to get a defamation of character and/or slander lawsuit filed against them.
There are some sites I will not click on because they are riddled with rumors, lies, filthy language and are what I consider trash.
Jan and Simon, I enjoy your articles and Simon, I love when you write some of your articles with a sense of humor. You are not main stream media and as an independent, you can tell it like it is!
Jan, you write so many of your articles from the heart and with compassion. The missing are so fortunate to have you and Simon giving them exposure.
I look forward to your articles and I love your Sunday Radio Show. I hope there will be a show this Sunday!
Now for my sense of humor . . . what little skill I had on Live Chat may be forgotten! I might be back to Square 1 and I will surely be left in the dust if there are a lot of folks on the Live Chat! Oh, no!
Simon and Jan, thank you for the tremendous amount of work you put into Haleigh’s case. For example, I know it was very time consuming in converting the jail tapes so they could be made available to us on this site.
I am aware you derive no money from writing articles on the various cases. However, time spent on these cases is time you could be spending on things that you do for a living and that generates money. After all, you do have to eat and like many, you have to pay the bills!
I know you reported on the side shows to keep Haleigh’s name “out there”. Unless the maternal side of Haleigh’s family start doing some stupid, dumb things then there really is nothing to report about. The druggies on the paternal side of the family are a guest of the gray bar hotel!
I hope Haleigh is found and her case can be closed. God bless Haleigh!
Alexandria–IIRC LE advised the families NOT to participate in the searches. I would not hang someone’s guilt or innocence on IF a parent searches or not. Go research the case of Jerry Hobbs (of Illinois) who found the bodies of his daughter and friend when he went searching after they were reported missing. He was wrongfully convicted (on a false confession after intense interrogations) and sent to DEATH ROW, all because the police were suspicious of the way he acted (not to mention he had a rap sheet). He was exonerated eventually, but not before the police, the public, and the media convicted him. JMO
Robin- I was responding to another blogger who felt that the only one he/she felt would search for Haleigh was Ronald and now he is locked away. My sister’s youngest son went missing and we were all out within minutes of finding out he was missing. He was found a day later emotionally damaged but physically okay. That was the worst 37 hours of my sister’s life.
I don’t think because you have a rap sheet that you are necessarily guilty of a crime but I do think that some of the things people do put them in danger as well as innocent family members. I know from the Jessica Lunsford case that the wrong person can be looked at. As to LDT, VST etc. they are just tools but I find them no more reliable then a stressed out confession. Going on a drug run when you have one child missing and another that needs you speaks volumes to me about what is important to a person.
IMO if everything that has happened spoke volumes this case would of been solved long ago.
JMO
Morning everyone.
So whats up with Tommys resentencing hearing on the 4th of October? Are they going to get a reduction in years for the drugs? I wonder what is going on behind the scenes? hmmmm. jmo
tm39- good morning- I think “speaking volumes” in this case is what is holding it back from being solved. Too many lies and covering for each other, has left LE in need of cocrete evidence to support a case that won’t be muddle with doubt if it evers goes to trial.
Alex, lillost1 did not say “the only one she thought would search.” She said, “the one person I thought for sure would search…” (lillost1 said,in September 3rd, 2010 at 1:45 am)
I believe there’s a difference but we’d have to ask lillost1.
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Also, when a terrible thing happens to a mobster’s child, or a dirty politician’s or a quack doctor’s or a warlord’s child, it doesn’t mean they did it or that they don’t grieve like a “normal” person would. It also doesn’t mean they suddenly and miraculously “go straight.” Maybe they should (we think) but they don’t. That would be a very rare, I think.
tobias, something is definitely going on. They are bringing in TC for a hearing on the 4th, and they changed Misty’s hearing from the 4th to the 19th. Very odd. I have a feeling Misty’s been talking.
I was thinking last night that all partys involved in this lie so much that I believe they buried Heliegh, since they keep saying she was throw in the pond or water. how far do you think they would beable to carry her? or do you think they would of taken her else where?
Whylie,Maybe she has seen the damage she has done to Tommy and its finally woke her up? Maybe the drug haze hasfinally lifted from her brain?? Something is going onbecause this isnt like Hopes appeal and it is happening fast for this court system. jmo
m2c- I’m sorry if I misunderstood but in that sentence she said “I am sick of no one looking for Haleigh and the one person I thought for sure wuold search is now locked awa…”
I agree with you that that people don’t suddenly go straight but …. maybe best left unsaid!
jaceesmom- ita
tobias- Is Hope getting an appeal? Is there a date set for it?
I sure hope something clicked in Misty’s brain!
Well, that is great news I think.
Also, I don’t compare RC to Casey A. She didn’t even report her child missing for 31 days and was out partying and celebrating like nothing ever happened. RC’s situation is totally different. He has to go on with his life at some point (what ever his life is) and that’s what he was doing. He was greiving. Because he is obviously addicted to drugs, does not mean he doesn’t love his children or that he is not greiving.
I think if someone called me and told me my child was missing, I wouldn’t turn over and go back to sleep and then show up on the scene 8 hours later bombed out my mind…..
Anyway, as far as MC goes…does anyone recall her saying that she remembers a “rose” (plastic/fake, I think) at a site in the woods? Is it possible that Haleigh was buried? Truly? Maybe the “thrown in the river” was said to “throw them off the real site”?? Maybe Misty was so drugged up she doesn’t remember all of it…it may be a total blur to her, especially with all the brainwashing that child has endured all her life from f’d up adults!! Sad.
Yes, maybe the fog has lifted, maybe she truly has found the Lord in her heart and is telling what she knows???
After all, sexually abused people have a different way of thinking about things and sometimes this alerts you to the fact. If a child is convinced that they will be harmed or their family will be tortured and killed, that will set in their brains and they will never tell. According to Misty, she would tell of her sexual abuse and she was not beleived, in fact, she says she was blamed herself for what happened. This is very common with the victim of abuse. Over time, it becomes a ‘learned response’ in which it does not do any good to tell anyone anything, because the blame will always come back to you.
Thus we see MC staying stoic and strong, that she will never tell, because they are just going to blame her anyway, so what’s the use? Why tell and then get blamed and have everyone hate you for telling on them? Makes no sense to an abused person. They already are trying to please everybody and have a lot of self guilt and shame, depression and low self esteem.
MC was happy when she was getting married. It not only helped her self esteem, but it let others know that no matter what has happened to her, somebody loves her and she is worth marrying, no matter how much she was sexually abused.
So, she will hold out, protect herself, and let the other person be found out, without her help!
Anyway, just some deeper thought/ideas that come to mind. A few things to ponder on the psychological side of things (which is what drives people’s actions).
I hope the court dates have meaning Tobias.
Hope has filed but no dates yet. I wonder why she didnt go for the sentence reduction? I looked it up and its faster yet it doesnt change your chance for an appeal. Also a court doe not have to accept a request for reduction. Thats why I am really curious. jmo
Iwouldnt be surprised if Donna doesnt do the same. The judge did say she couldnt give her less than the min. but if she does what Tommy is doing she may get a lighter senttence in the end. jmo
Hope got the minimum (unless she was sentenced as YO which she was not) BUT TC was not given the minimum. Maybe that is the difference.
JenM- Idisagree with you about the comparison of RC & CA. I think there are numerous similarities between them. No one was aware of Caylee being missing except Casey, in Ron’s case the disappearance couldn’t be hidden especially due to the school issue. I don’t think Crystal is much better, unless she believed the court ruling that the children were being placed with Ron as it was in their best interest.
In looking at this from hindsight all the mistakes are glaring.
I do recall some mention of a rose but not sure what it was in relation to.
tobias said,in September 3rd, 2010 at 11:21 am Hope has filed but no dates yet. I wonder why she didnt go for the sentence reduction? I looked it up and its faster yet it doesnt change your chance for an appeal. Also a court doe not have to accept a request for reduction. Thats why I am really curious. jmo
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Tobias, maybe the reason is that she’s got a really rotten lawyer. I think so anyway. That’s really sad.
Ialso think she was listening to fellow jail mates and since she was the first to go to court also. If this was my daughter I would have been more involved in her case too. jmo
Things are starting to move again with Tommy and Misty? I hope somebody finally said something. I wonder if perhaps this doesnt have something to do with the stories their lawyers were putting out to the media? Maybe replacing those lawyers with others? Dont know if that can be done so far into their respective cases? Im surprised both lawyers said what they did since Misty and Tommy were at the time their clients. Unbeleivable! They breached the trust. Now Im wondering if somebody isnt planning to file some sort of lawsuit against these lawyers, that is IF they can sign one or the other, Tommy or Misty, as their client? That would be a fair assumption. Sue for X amount of dollars and let the insurance company pay it. Legal malpractice.
I’m confused (as usual). Does Tommy go before the same judge? Why would he get a reduction when the judge voiced his obvious disdain of Tommy doing the drug scene while there was an investigation going on for that missing little girl?
M2C, Hope has a new lawyer. The last one left after she filed the appeal. And really what could she have done different? Hope said she wouldnt do the drug rehab or the YO on the phone to her Mom. Hope went into court and agreed to the n contest plea, the Judge always askes if you understand and then you sign the plea. At this time Hope could have said no I dont understand. She tried to blame it on the lawyer, she told her Mom they were 10 steps ahead of the game, like she knew everything.
Isee her as a defiant young girl who just set her mind to what she was going to do until she got the opposite. It was a harsh sentence and I do hope she gets it reduced but I dont believe she should be released. jmo
Hope also had drug charges pending so this coud be why she was not affered the YO. She should have stayed out of trouble when she was out on bail. jmo
It is not unusual for somebody to get a new lawyer when they file an appeal. Not all lawyers are qualified to handle appeals, which is probably the case with Hope’s lawyer. What I think MAY help Hope is that regardless of what she may have said in court, she said in that tape that she did not understand. I think that will play in her favor.
While I think the judge should have sentenced her as a YO, there is no law that says he has to. I do think, however, since he did listen to that tape, he should have stopped the proceedings until Hope understood what she and her lawyer were in fact doing.
tobias- I know Hope is Ron’s cousin but was she a friend of Misty’s too?
I dont know but I am sure they knew each other through Ron. And Ron would have known through family and Hope that she was on bail. jmo
tobias- Wasn’t Tommy also on bail or probation ? Have they ever released the undercover videos with him?
Ihave never seen the videos if they exist. There was a incident report but I cant find it, I have searched and searched. I know they met him at a poolhall and he made phone calls and then they went to McDonalds. Aguy showed up in a blck truck and Tommy went acrossed the street and got the pills. So there may not be any video, maybe just audio if the UC was wired? jmo
I thought her fines were paid? Or is this something different? Why would the book her? jmo
Oh Geez, Lisa is back in jail today. Beyond a sad situation.
I get the feeling there will be some sort of vindication now, for Simon and for Jan. Sad as Lisas present situation is.
I thought she was doing well under the care of a kind hearted person? Wow, I kinda was hoping she would at least make it to Mass. jmo
NEW ARTICLE SEPT. 3
Should have added that Simon and Jan do not need any validation where I am concerned.
Well, I just guess there is going to be more backlash now towards kind hearted benefactoress. Let the nickle and diming of bond amounts begin, not to mention fodder.
Sitting back on hands now and smiling.
If TC gets a reduction on his sentence then the system has completely sold out on Haleigh Cummings. That is a fact not an opinion
I’m still not on the same page as most here.
I don’t find anything that proves or even holds a strong valid argument that any family members around Haleigh are involved in her disappearance.I mean that in terms of her being physically taken. Morally it can be argued with merit that several persons played a part that set the stage for this horrific crime to happen. Also with merit it can be argued that Neglect played a part in setting the stage for this to happen. Right now LE has to find out what happened to her that night. As a parent I would need concrete evidence before I would accept and believe my child is deceased. I would not rest or give up until I had that proof. As an outsider I can’t phantom why any one would admit to being present where a crime of this nature happened if it never happened. With that said reasonable thinking is telling me there must be something to the story MC and TC are telling. I think Crystal has every right to attend any and all hearings if she likes regarding the persons who are allegedly involved in her daughter’s disappearance. No matter her mistakes she has the right to do the right thing by her child and to fight for Justice for her daughter, more so than any of us that is for sure. I think it’s sad that the families can’t get past their own short comings enough to escape them by pointing at the other one. Together they could accomplish far more in terms of searches fund raisers etc that could lead to the proof they all so desperately seek. The whole current situation is very unfortunate.
Alexandria Loring said,
in September 3rd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
tobias- Wasn’t Tommy also on bail or probation ? Have they ever released the undercover videos with him?
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Tommy’s video was not released.
It was discussed at his sentencing. I don’t think it will be released. It doesn’t paint the PCSO in the best light if what was discussed at his sentencing is true (regarding the video)
Simon & Jan,
I don’t fully understand what has happened here, but I do know that you and Jans hearts are in the right place. I cannot say the same for Trish. ($) I do hope that you and Jan return soon for selfish reasons. I enjoy listening to your show. Also, the people you try to help, countless. Thank you.
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