It was the usual lively discussion, the panel consisted of Simon and Jan Barrett, TJ Hart, Peter Hyatt, Dave Knechel, and Denny Griffin. With this amount of fire power, there will be an explosion! I guess we should start including the same rider that Discovery Channel uses with Mythbusters “Don’t try this at home. EVERâ€.
There was no real ‘hard’ news in any of the cases this week, but there was still plenty to talk about.
We here at BNN have been digging deep into the Zachary Pittman case, the deeper we dig, the worse the smell becomes. The unwillingness of information from people in authority is becoming the norm in this case. Needless to say, we will be dogging this case next week. Funny how I can put in an inquiry into the lead detectives involved in major national cases and get a reply, this case is different. It takes an act of congress to even get hold of the PIO (the guy paid to talk to the press).
The Caylee Anthony story is still running at the speed of a snail. Next Thursday Cindy and Lee Anthony are going to be answering some tough questions in court. The “Nurse Of Decomposition†is going to be explaining the difference between the smell of rotting Pizza and human decomposition. More importantly, how she confused the two odors. In my mind Cindy Anthony has the credibility of a three day old donut. One has to wonder what questions they have For brother Lee Anthony. I can certainly think of a few questions!
The Haleigh Cummings case is rapidly reaching critical mass. While there are no charges laid in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings, the pressure on the A-team of suspects is huge.
The ‘bit players’ are sitting behind bars on 15 year sentences! I am suffering from a brutal cold, cough, hack, sneeze, etc. Last night Jan suggested that I take two little pills. I wanted to know if they were legit! They were OTC, so I took them. I won’t do pills for recreation.
How much time are the magic three likely to get?
If you missed the broadcast, the recording is here.
Simon and Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackThe court rooms will be our focus for the next few months on anthony and the cummings/croslin bunch.
Hipe u guys get some movement on zach as well.
Is cobra going to be on in the next few weeks?
Hi Jaba….
hope that we hear something really soon about HaLeigh and Kyron….
thanks for the show today, Jan and Simon. Hope that you both feel well soon!
I’m sure kyrons step mom has been told by an attorney not to say anything to anybody but she’s the last one to see him and looking at her during the press conference plea the parents made makes me worry she knows an awful truth.
Good show. I hope you are feeling better soon!!!
Feel better, Jan! 🙂
Thanks for hanging in there today with us, even not feeling well!
We all anxiously await the testimonies of the Anthong Liars Club. What a membership they have, only four members of that club and they are all Anthonys. I just keep hoping that one of them will make a fatal mistake by mouth and get the whole thing taken care of. As far as little Haylieh is concerned, it may take a long time to get to the bottom of all this unless law enforcement already has it and is just waiting to drop the bombshell, which may be the case. Little Kyron is also on the minds and in the hearts of those of us who believe that children are gifts from God. The shortest verse in the Bible is “Jesus wept” and I know he weeps now for those precious children he gave the parents to love. Instead, they got in the way and were done away with. I still feel if you are not willing to accept the duty of being a parent, you should not ever bring the babies here to just get in your way. Modern medicine has ways other than abortion or murder to keep one from becoming a parent, many people want with all their hearts to have a child to love and others love nobody but themselves. If a woman does not want to raise a child she carries, then give that baby to someone who wants a child, really. This whole thing breaks my heart and I pray daily for those poor little unwanted babies. I would have had a dozen if I could have but I was limited to two and they are both grown men with children of their own and neither have known one day that I did not love them or want them or would not have jumped in front of a bullet to save them. There is a special place in Hell for those who feel they are allowed to murder a child who gets in their way. Now that is my stand, always has been and always will be and I await the justice I pray is soon to come. May they all rest in peace safe in the arms of the Lord.
Its just heartbreaking. I just cant grasp why people do the terrible things they do to innocent little kids. If she did it I say go for the death penilty. I am just so sick of the excuses.jmo
In Haleighs case I wished one of the people who know something would just tell, it is way past time to talk. jmo
We have to take a different approach when dealing with sex offenders.
1. They did’t choose to be that way.
2. If there are 100 sex offenders in an area there are 200 men in the same area who also want to offend but are afraid.
3.These men need someone to talk to in a non threatening situation. They need treatment.
4. They need to be treated well enough that they will come forth and identify thrmselves.
tobias said,in July 11th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
It is horrible and heartbreaking you are right.
When they abuse children one thing that is said over and over is “the kid does not know anything and will never remember anything anyway” this seems to be a feeling or belief (or excuse) abusers have.
John W Sharp said,
in July 11th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
We have to take a different approach when dealing with sex offenders.
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Totally agree – My approach
1. CHOP IT OFF with no anesthesia.
2. Put them all on a leaky boat with no gas or sails and tow it to the middle of the ocean and leave them there.
John, There is no cure for pediphilia. Even chemical castration does not work in most cases. I really think the only solution for them is to never have any contact with children. That means they need to be removed from society.jmo
John W Sharp said,in July 11th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
John, many sex offenders have been studied in the past 20 years. Most of them admit that they will offend repeatedly if not stopped. As Jeffrey Dahmer said, he could not stop himself.
Many SO have made this same statement. I am not in support of treatment unless it is while they are locked up for a long time in a specail SO facility. JMO
I think sex offenders are dispicable people. I have a hard time giving sympathy to anyone that would hurt innocent children and animals. Yes they are sick buy my god get help without hurting others.
LadySadie said,in July 11th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
OMG LS right on all the way. Sorry to anyone who does not agree LOL
LadySadie said,in July 11th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
OMG LS right on all the way. Sorry to anyone who does not agree LOL
I cant wait to see Cindy squirm out of her bag of tricks. She’ll have some dandy whopppers plus plenty of CRS. thank goodness there are all those tapes to help her in her recollection. I think they have made many fatal whooping mouth mistakes from day one.
I sure do not understand why these child abuctions are so rampant. Each child is truly a gift from God and there is not one thing a child could ever do thats bad enough to warrant any violent attack, any outburst from a parent. I’d be more quick to accept that some parent took a child and placed them up for adoption or took them to a safe haven if they didnt want them anymore. As for the future, maybe it might get to a point that children will have the option or be required to have some sort of implant device placed in them, sort of a GPS, to be on the safe side. I know it sounds a little bizzare, but it seems thats whats its coming down to in this world.
Yes, it is high time somebody spills the beans because if it took ten years to find Haleigh; and I am praying it does not take that long, but if it did, that justice will not forget what this case put everybody through. We will never forget.
LadySadie said,in July 11th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
Sorry John I gotta go with LS’s treatment on this one.
Tobias, you are so right. Enough of the BS. Maybe they didn’t do anything to her themselves but someone has to know something. Haleigh didn’t just wander off in the dark by herself.
I can’t think of a thing that would scare me enough to keep me quiet if I knew something about a missing child. No matter how insignificant you think it might be, you have to start somewhere.
LOL, barb, I can think of a few more “treatment” options for SO’s but those were the most humane of all my “treatments”.
IMO It would not help to castrate them because its in their mind,theres different ways of abuse!! just my 2 cents!
LadySadie said,in July 11th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
So can I LS but I don’t want to scare the other posters!!
does anyone know if there will be any more croslin jailhouse tapes coming online?
Have to go to bed now see ya all, hope there is news soon from someone who knows something about what happened to little Haleigh. It gets so frustrating waiting everyday for her to be found or to get justice. jmo
All SO of children should never see the light of day again! jmo
Kit,I have no idea!
Storm,ITA with you!
Okay, I want to ask something without starting a rumor. Somebody else has to remember this, I think it may have been posted here from another website. I rarely read anywhere else, so dunno.
Wasn’t it said that some higher ups in PCSO “names we would recognize” were supposed to have been involved with some child porn scheme? I know I didn’t dream it up, but I’m sure I probably brushed it off as being a rumor.
Before I say anything else about it, does anyone else remember this?
OK, can I at least get someone to agree that what we are doing now, is not working?
Yes, John, Catch & Release does not work!
storm, I remember that.
Stormgardner, yes that has been stated before.
John W Sharp said,
in July 11th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
OK, can I at least get someone to agree that what we are doing now, is not working?
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Yes I will agree its not working. Laws needs to be changed and have a prison just for all of them, men and women jmo.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 11th, 2010 at 8:53 pm Yes, John, Catch & Release does not work!
Amen Alex
Truth Will Come said,in July 11th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
On a deserted island with no keys to the cells
WhyLie, thank you so much. I was starting question my own sanity. So was it just that? A rumor. There were so many rumors that it’s hard to know now what is fact and what is BS. Why did the media make such a circus out of a missing childs case? There are many that should be ashamed.
John, I agree what we are doing now is not working, but I just don’t think these people can be rehabilitated. It’s been proven time and again. If they are in society, it’s going to happen again and again. Think about just the recent cases we’ve had. They were all re-offenders. Had they not been allowed to walk the streets, the other tragedies would’t have happened. I’m not saying I have an answer, not sure there is one.
I think everybody’s gone. 🙁
Guess it’s a good time for me to fix something for lunch tom.
Seems like after a show it gets quiet for a bit, then you all come out with more/different theories. The calm before the storm.
Can any one give me the address of the MH ?
TY
barbinOhio, I think it’s either 202 Green Ln or Green St.
Yes stormgardner, that is the correct 202 Green Lane.
Thanks Andy, I wasn’t sure. I just pulled it up on google map. I don’t know if they have a street view or not.
Thank you Andy and Stormgardner.
You can get a satellite view, it does look pretty rural.
John Sharpe I agree whole heartedly that what we are doing currently (in most cases) is not working. I also agree with others that sex offenders reoffend and admit that they will if not stopped. The recidivism rate is over the top. they need to be committed to and remain in jail/hospital-like therapuetic communities. They cant stop, even when they want to. For me, it is hard not to have pity when that is a truth most dont dispute. No different than being born gay IMO, although many sex offenders were molested as children themselves so it cant all be genetically linked.
WAIT..”no different” was the wrong words to use in comparing with being gay….sooooo sorry!
very different! But neither is really a “choice” is what i meant…i choice to act on it or not yes…but one cannot control ones desires….only resist them.
JMO…ps sorry i tool so many posts to spit that out..lol
mrsm said,in July 11th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Sexual abuse it is not genetically linked though. As in the case of many many ofenders, no one in the family was ever a SO. In fact many families are appalled by the act their own relative commits. Sexual abuse is a crime of control not of sexual pleasure or sexual gratification. There is nothing sexual about a child.
stormgardner said,in July 11th, 2010 at 8:49 pm Okay, I want to ask something without starting a rumor. Somebody else has to remember this, I think it may have been posted here from another website. I rarely read anywhere else, so dunno.
Wasn’t it said that some higher ups in PCSO “names we would recognize” were supposed to have been involved with some child porn scheme? I know I didn’t dream it up, but I’m sure I probably brushed it off as being a rumor.
Before I say anything else about it, does anyone else remember this?
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the article is still up at the site that cannot be mentioned..
that is true, but just as often it is a legacy passed down from generation to generation in families. There may not be a genetic link YET, but that does not mean there wont be. However, the fact that it does “run in families” in many cases does not necessarily mean there is a genetic link, it could be more a reflection of learned behavior/nurture rather than the “nature” end of the spectrum.
I know the site youre talking about, Storm, I have read some of those ‘press releases’, but Ive yet to hear anything about it in mainstream media.
Who is that guy anyway? 5150?
SRO’s, too bad Lobotomies are not practiced anymore.
I imagine no one in Dahmers family ate people and neither did his parents, at least as far as we know…no genetic link, no nurture either…just an anomoly…maybe SO’s are the same sometimes. In Grad school and even undergrad we were often asked to contemplate what issues we could not ethically handle working with…what populations…? We are supposed to refer to another counselor if we have a client we cant be objective with. Many prospective counselors are adamant that they cannot work with SO’s. I never felt that way. It’s addicts i cannot handle. I have a very good radar for SO’s though, and for what it’s worth neither TC or JO set my alarm to ringing. JMO
It can be perpetrated by a relative yet sexual abuse does not always end up with continuance of that abuse by the abused. It depends on perception and on the ability of the abused to stop the cycle. A victim does not always victimize. I think many SO use that as an accuse for sympathy and manipulation. I think it is BS and a cop out. Sorry
The tip of the iceburg theory: what we see is just a fraction what is out there.
I understand why we must respond with urgency when a child is injured.
But we have to have some pro active, preemptive measures and strategies to deal with the ice below the water.
And it cannot be done while we are angry.
sorry I ment an excuse not accuse. Such a hot topic for me.
i understand Barb, and agree with you. My husband was molested, but he would rather die a slow agonizing death than hurt a child in anyway. But just like you pointed out..abusing a child is about power and control. Sometimes the offender was offended and molesting a child is his/her way of reclaiming control.
I know many people (at least 6 or 7 off the top of my head) that have been abused that did not grow up to be abusers. But i could probably match that number with abused who did grow up to abuse. jmo
mrsm said,in July 11th, 2010 at 10:15 pm I imagine no one in Dahmers family ate people and neither did his parents, ******************************
Hey MrsM!!!!!!!
YOU ARE RIGHT,LOL Never thought of that before!
I interned at a State prison and sat in on a SO “group” that had been in progress for YEARS with the same guys. The facilitator had them (as an exercise) each tell me who and how they had offended. It was an expereince i will never forget. One old man in particular who cried (really cried) as he told how he molested his granddaughter. Dont get me wrong, i am not a sympathizer. I would love to spit on the man who raped my husband, but still, that group was an experience i will never forget.
barbinOhio said,in July 11th, 2010 at 10:16 pm It can be perpetrated by a relative yet sexual abuse does not always end up with continuance of that abuse by the abused. It depends on perception and on the ability of the abused to stop the cycle. A victim does not always victimize. I think many SO use that as an accuse for sympathy and manipulation. I think it is BS and a cop out. Sorry
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ITA Thats like Jesse James & Tiger being unfaithful but now it’s an illness and they need sex rehab! Dear God help us all!!
Those men were the first to say that having been molested themselves was no excuse and that being molested themselves should have been more prohibitive than a reason to offend. Of course the group was all about taking responsibility.
Cricket post this link earlier.
http://www.cftnews.com/index.php?cmd=article&id=1723
Look at this guys sentence.
The children are all having problems now. We need to take this much more seriously. Even the youngest victim has scars. To brush these incidents off or gloss over them is harmful to the child’s future. We have to help protect all of our children and make sure they get the help they need as soon as possible and for as long as possible. In Misty’s case and in Haleigh’s as well people over looked the conditions they were surviving in and I do mean surviving in. Misty was a victim of sexual abuse as well as child abuse and it went right past the “system”
lol@ CJ, i dont buy the sex rehab BS either…i do feel bad tiger lost so much in his professional life over baaaaad judgement and morals in his personal life. I do not think that is right. jmpo
mrsm- the problem with that is that taking responsibility for what they did does not mean they won’t reoffend!
but then i felt bad for Clinton too lmao 🙂
mrsm- Hillary or Bill?
I should have clarified I was agreeing that people do use it as a cop out!
You are absolutely right Alex, many of them know that is the crux of the matter too.
It is not at all uncommon for SO’s to get into a fight or written up over something at the last minute prior to release to screw their own discharge because they are afraid and do not want to get out.
Oh crap OJ, thank you. I remember now. (but I did read it here) Lol, sorry.
There is a huge difference between being around someone that has recently died, or true human decomposition and the “smell” of the two… It is frustrating to me, and I think the Anthony’s are a bunch of complete lunatics, but so tired of hearing “they know the difference” regarding the smells. IF as a nurse, Cindy was around a body long enough for it to decompose, then yes she would know the smell….. but in reality, in this century, most nurses or doctors are NOT hanging around facilities and allowing bodies to decompose…or know the smell. George in his normal 1 yr job, not sure he ever ran into a corpse, that had been decomposing for a few days. while being a cop..
I think the entire Anthony bunch is complete narcisstic lunatics, but I am also appalled by the “hang em high” media that has not a flipping clue or knowledge if any of these people have smelt the decomposition of a dead body, or not.
Alex…Bill, cant stomach the ice queen 🙂
Right MrsM,What angered me was the fact he is JUST a golf pro but everybody ate that story up wanting to know what happened that night when he wrecked,what happened to make them argue……sheeesh we all argue in marriage but they did this to keep the story going and because he’s famous how is he any better than any one of us when we were cheated on or cheated and hurt someone!
I really respect your work in this area. We need insight and more knowledge to stop this terrible crime.
I too am an adult survivor. I was abused by both distant family members and then by people who were Foster parents. I have passionate feelings for all children who have one moment of abuse of any kind as we all here do.
CJ Tiger and Jessie are sex addicts, LOL so are a lot of men I know. LOL
Cindy herself said she knew what it smelled like??
i dont think what tabloids do to stars or star athletes is fair at all. jmo
I think public figures like the President of the US or pro athletes that have young kids looking up to them as hero’s have a bigger responsibility to behave in a wholesome way. They have the power to hurt many more people because they are so “known” and idolized. I really respect the pro athletes that take that responsibility to heart.
Exactly my point Barb,sex is on a mans mind 99% of the time?? LoL Suddenly they just plain got caught and its a disease,sheeeeesh!
JNet said,in July 11th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
I agree
CathyJo63 said,in July 11th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
and C J I also agree with that. My ex never made the news and I am sure he had Tiger’s record beat and
I don’t mean in Golf either!! LOL
Andy, I can dig that, really I can, but do we have to braodcast every aspect of their lives? (On the evening news yet!?) Kids who look up to these guys do not need to know what goes on in their bedrooms (or hotel rooms!) We dont need to know about their bowel functions! We never hear about their grades in school! Do kids know what the college ball players are majoring in in their classes? No! But we know which actress or singer they are currently sc***wing! jmo
I just listened to the radio show, and I have one more comment, what is the big to-do about Van Der Sloot being with one other prisoner.. Common knowledge due to his notoriety he is housed with a notorious hit man, both in isolation. And that is a big deal why??
I am sorry but the attitudes of people being so much smarter than an atty. (and yes I am including Baez… debate that once you have passed the bar exam) or attys in all of these cases and pretty much they are all idiots and we bloggers have all the insight and knowledge…
I apologize I am so very weary of the finger pointing by those that haven’t a clue, yet proclaim all of this expertise, when in reality is nada.
I am sorry, and yes I will take a break, and back off, because the experts and the postings are making me beyond weary.
Take good care all!!! Good night!
Barb,LoL Women came crawling out of the woodwork,
JJ and TW’s!!!
Athletes and ‘stars’ use the media to their advantage when they want to.
And they should know that it also works the other way around.
If you want the praise, glory and money for the great things you do, expect the criticism when you participate in negative activities of your own chosing. Imo
mrsm said,in July 11th, 2010 at 10:46 pm Andy, I can dig that, really I can, but do we have to braodcast every aspect of their lives? (On the evening news yet!?) Kids who look up to these guys do not need to know what goes on in their bedrooms (or hotel rooms!) We dont need to know about their bowel functions! We never hear about their grades in school! Do kids know what the college ball players are majoring in in their classes? No! But we know which actress or singer they are currently sc***wing! jmo
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Good post mrsm, I totally agree
i hear you Jaba, and i do see that side too…i just think the tiger thing went too far. He had to address the situation on TV, discuss it all in public…be shamed and ridiculed…he’s a GOLFER! Maybe if the local nightly news reported on every guy who was caught cheating on his wife fewer would do it. I dunno.
mrsm- I really felt sorry for Chelsea!
Jnet,
I think most hammer le or an atty out of frustration that no resolution has been had yet, say in Haleighs case.
No one really knows all of what these folks(le /attys) do, have done, know, don’t know, about a given case.
Its a lot of informed opinion, and a lot of its not. We just don’t have ALL the facts yet. Ie…timelines, phone calls, actual statements word for word made to LE etc…
So much we don’t know. Imo
funny u would say that cuz i was just thinking the same thing about tigers kid…many moms feel it is better not to hurt their children by allowing them to know of their father’s infidelities. these guys (and their innocent wives and kids) dont have a choice in the matter. jm
jaba said,in July 11th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
I see your point,
I just don’t think we need every detail ? It goes on for months for ratings. Also then do we need Gloria representing every “victim” in law suites? Also how can these women call themselves victims? Victims of what? I do think anyone in the spot light needs to use better judgments, but they are after all human beings with large egos and “God complexes “aren’t they? ?
still feel bad for chelsea lol she has the same ears as tommy lmao lmao 🙂
BarbinOhio- Gloria has filed a lawsuit on behalf of Jaycee Dugard’s biu dad, a man Jaycee does not know, to force visitation on Jaycee and her daughters!
Mrsm,
Totally understand and appreciate that point. No question.
Tiger is a brand worth millions a year and like any corporation, have customers to appease and explain things that tarnish the brand.
All the good tiger has done for junior golf for kids who look up to him expect better. Their parents shoule use what the media puts out as a ‘teaching moment’. Explain why tiger was wrong and point to what tiger has to do to get a little redemption for himself.
A lot fewer people know the local news anchor by name and sight and don’t buy the channel 4 merchandise like they do of a nike spokesperson.
Stars have a higher standard due to what they sell as a product and an image. And they should all know what the ramifications are when they screw up.
mrsm said,in July 11th, 2010 at 10:57 pm i hear you Jaba, and i do see that side too…i just think the tiger thing went too far. He had to address the situation on TV, discuss it all in public…be shamed and ridiculed…he’s a GOLFER! Maybe if the local nightly news reported on every guy who was caught cheating on his wife fewe
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IMO The stars know that when they become stars,I don’t know why they complain? Crazy to me,
But when its something thats hurts others,Tigers wife and kids and here she has to see all these women coming out…….just not right!
Alexandria Loring said,in July 11th, 2010 at 11:07 pm BarbinOhio- Gloria has filed a lawsuit on behalf of Jaycee Dugard’s biu dad, a man Jaycee does not know, to force visitation on Jaycee and her daughters
===============================================OMG I did not know that Alex I am sure she will have the world at her heels on that one. JMO
Thanks for the info.
Jaycee Dugard is the voice we need demanding we FIND HALEIGH!!
Barb,
Exaclty. EGO is what gets these folks in trouble. You have to pay the piper at some point.
All the more when these figures are in the public eye they should walk the line to protect their wife and kids. IMO
jaba said,in July 11th, 2010 at 11:12 pm Barb,
Exaclty. EGO is what gets these folks in trouble. You have to pay the piper at some point.
===============================================I certainly can’t disagree with that jaba
Unfortunately Jaycee Dugard was silenced for 18 years, I wish someone would have demanded justice for her pain and imprisonment. God Bless her, and I pray she will have just some semblance of a normal life for the rest of her years. I hope no one has any other expectations of her, other than to live the rest of her life healing and safe, she has endured too much for any to even begin to comprehend.
JNet-ita
I wonder if Casey will be at the hearing Thurs? Her body language will be interesting to see when Lee and Cindy are on the stand.
vaquera- isn’t this type of hearing one that is mandatory for her to appear at? Unless she falls again!
Casey doesn’t have a choice, she has to be in court, unless it is some silly or basically irrelevant motion hearing. The Judge has made that pretty clear of his expectations that she (Casey) will absolutely be in court during the entire process. Not sure, but I think because it is a death penalty case, he (the Judge) is doing all he can when/if there is an appeal, to ensure she was given due process in every aspect of her trial.
JNet- I like Judge Perry, he is no nonsense and he always is prepared and knows his case law.
I agree Alex 100%, I thought I had read a post asking if Casey Anthony would be in court on July 15… and yes she will be. Judge Perry has made it very clear she will be in court for all pre trial hearings, other than those I mentioned above.
Agreed Judge Perry has been a god send to this case, Baez knows he can’t get by with frivilous stuff, like he has been doing for the past two years, I don’t know if the case would have ever been tried with Strickland, although I thought he was a good, fair judge and I don’t agree with how they tried to disqualify him, I am absolutly thrilled that Judge Perry has the case now
Alexandria Loring said,
in July 11th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
vaquera- isn’t this type of hearing one that is mandatory for her to appear at? Unless she falls again!
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It will probably be on purpose this time 😀
I don’t understand how he can force a now grown woman for visitation and in most states grandparents have no right to visitation either of their grandchildren.
Vaquera-ROFLMAO!!!!!!
Vaquera- once it gets to a judge, if it makes it that far, I think it will be thrown out!
California now has rights for grandparents, this came about because Grandparents were willing to help support the children both emotionally and financially.
In Jaycee’s case I was shocked that Gloria Allred would be pushing for her client, Ken Slayton, to push for paternity testing & visitation. This should be up to Jaycee & her daughters, in their time & manner.
15 minutes of fame?
I would bet Bozo regrets getting rid of Strickland!
I must say It’s good to watch him dance!
Alexandria Loring said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 12:22 am
Vaquera- once it gets to a judge, if it makes it that far, I think it will be thrown out!
California now has rights for grandparents, this came about because Grandparents were willing to help support the children both emotionally and financially.
In Jaycee’s case I was shocked that Gloria Allred would be pushing for her client, Ken Slayton, to push for paternity testing & visitation. This should be up to Jaycee & her daughters, in their time & manner.
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glad to see some grandparents get rights, sadly it’s not that way in most states. I used to have respect for Gloria but when she started representing those Tiger whores that did it for me and now this guy.
LadyDay said,
in July 11th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
I know the site youre talking about, Storm, I have read some of those ‘press releases’, but Ive yet to hear anything about it in mainstream media.
Who is that guy anyway? 5150?
SRO’s, too bad Lobotomies are not practiced anymore.
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Or a well placed bullet right in the middle of the forehead.
LadyDay said,
in July 11th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
SRO’s, too bad Lobotomies are not practiced anymore.
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Or a well placed bullet right in the middle of the forehead.
mrsm said,
in July 11th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
I know many people (at least 6 or 7 off the top of my head) that have been abused that did not grow up to be abusers. But i could probably match that number with abused who did grow up to abuse. jmo
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I know many people (at least 6 or 7) that grew up where both parents smoked in the household that did not grow up to be smokers. I could probably match that number with people that grew up in households where no one smoked and they do smoke.
To say that SO’s were abused as children is perpetrating a very overblown myth. Many studies have been done, (I will look them up later and post link too early right now and have to get to work) that show that only 5% or less of all convicted SO’s were ever abused as children. That means 95% or more of all convicted SO’s were NOT abused as children. A more accurate myth would be saying all children that were NOT abused as children WILL become SO’s.
Morning, Everyone!
Vaq, JNet and Alex: Judge Perry said monster anthony doesn’t have to come to the status hearings, which won’t involve arguments on major issues. I think the status hearings are monthly or every 45 days or so.
Also on that case, I thought this Thursday’s hearing (July 15) was originally scheduled to once again hear Bozo whine about the TES records. And the issue of the 911 calls was added on to that.
LadySadie: I agree. Put the time and money into counseling and therapy for the victim and the price of a bullet into the perp (IMO). Or airdrop him on to a deserted island with the rest of his kind (if a plane is going that way – don’t want to waste fuel).
JNet @ 10:35 pm – “. . .I am also appalled by the “hang em high” media that has not a flipping clue or knowledge if any of these people have smelt the decomposition of a dead body, or not.”
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Cindy Anthony SAID the car smelled like a dead body had been in it. Do you really believe she lied about that to “get the cops there faster?”
And George told LE that he’d been a cop, he knew the smell, and when he approached the car and opened the trunk he just prayed that it wasn’t (Caylee or KC I guess).
The public and media are not hanging the anthonys. Sindee and George have been hanging themselves with their own words since the beginning.
morning m2c
agreed with sex offender issues..huge warning signs as children is hurting animals and being a loner..
iltsmm – That’s right. I think hurting animals is also an early sign of a potential serial killer of adults.
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On another topic. I saw some discussion about whether AS really visited the MH and saw the kids at 7pm that night.
To me it doesn’t matter much. LE is not basing their timeline on that. LE said they based their timeline on NON-family witnesses. And I believe they meant someone other or in addition to the AC guy.
I believe the person that was with AS was not a family member as well.
I think that LE has the time line pretty much nailed down. I think it will come out that whatever happened to Haleigh, happened between 10:30 and 11:30, after Misty was fast asleep and before Ron was scheduled home.
Hi, WhyLie! For some reason I thought the person who was supposed to be with AS was a relation, too.
But even so if LE is basing the timeline on non-family members, that’s a good thing to me.
morning all….Any movement in HaLeighs case?
Hi, tm39! How are you? Good to see you!
I’m sorry to say there has not been an inch, ounce or squinch of movement in Haleigh’s case. Isn’t that awful?
Very sad…. I am great been very busy. Glad firework season is over!!!!!!
I noticed KP was in here a few days ago, but was not able to read everything…. did she have something inmportant to share?
didn’t TomME have a court hearing this last week?
tm39, Other than to tell her to go away forever, I do not pay attention to KP so I’ll let others fill you in on that! LOL!
As far as court hearings etc, I don’t regard these as part of “movement in Haleigh’s case.” The whole drug thing as far as I’m concerned was a way for LE to put pressure on these people to talk, which failed, and has become a way to make the public THINK that one of the people in jail was responsible.
Having said that, T’s hearing was postponed. Just before that he had been moved to Putnam County jail where he then claimed LE harrassment for lack of air conditioning and an unattractive cell, and for being questioned without his lawyer and for LE saying they’d prosecute him for murder. T’s lawyer is having a field day with that. I hope T is sentenced to 15 + years AND a vasectomy. LOL!
And that’s where I stand on all of that! 🙂
texasmommy, KP just had BS, Tommy’s court hearing was rescheduled for a later date. Good to see you.
I wonder why Fields never filed anything against LE for harassment of Misty. She has stated in her jail visits/calls that they show up and she is told they are her attorney and when she gets in the room it is LE. She had also asked her dad to contact Fields to tell him she did not want to take the LDT, but LE apparently gave it to her anyway.
LOL well it looks like I didn’t miss a thing! I am not surprised by the continuance for TomME. KP has alot of nerve doesn’t she? I still shake my head at the Bar Complaint and her denial of blogging when many of us; that do not suffer from short term memory, had long and heated discusions with her many moons ago.
whylie Misty is very passive even when she is trying to act tough. IMO the week are preyed upon because they are easily silenced.
I wonder what ever happened to D. Casey and if he ever found out any info. Kind of strange that there were 3 PI’s on the case and not one of them could find Haleigh, of course we all know what direction all 3 were looking, so it might not be so strange after all.
texasmommy, I agree. Misty seems to go with the flow. LE is well aware that she has an attorney and should be contacting that attorney for things like Misty taking more LDT, imo.
WhyLie, I think D Casey found out he was in a world of trouble between, Bozo, Sindee and the state of Florida! LOL! Hopefully Florida will deal with him in good time.
m2c, Well if the way they dealt with KP is any indication, I doubt we will see him being dealt with in any significant manner.
M2C I agree the drug charges where for leverage to get information. I just have a hard time with the events that have taken place because of that pressure and it has led no one anywhere close to finding HaLeigh.
That so called credible witness needs to be charged IMO.
whylie never fear Karma is near….. KP will have alot to answer for when all is said and done I am sure. Funny how she keeps popping her head in every now and then. If I was her I would of stayed in hidding and out of the public eye…. but lucky for us she has not therefor not as brilliant as she claims to be.
Haleigh has got to be someplace. I don’t for a minute believe she was thrown in the river. Somebody needs to talk. Haleigh needs to be found.
tm39 @ 8:36pm –
I agree. Who is the “credible witness?” Tommy? Or was he told what to say to get LE to conduct the river search because that’s where SBrown’s theory led him? And how did S Brown develop his theory= or rather as he said, “solved the case?”
Either way, couldn’t T face murder or accessory charges for what HE said himself?
I agree whylie. I am sick of all the theories… someone needs to tell the truth. I am still not completely convinced she is not alive and well hidden.
tm39 @ 8:45 am
IMO There isn’t any reason whatsoever to rule out anything – most importantly that Haleigh could be alive and hidden.
m2c, It certainly seems from the early jail releases that LE was pressuring TC to tell them a story. He said several times he would not lie about it. He can’t tell them anything. Suddenly his story changes and he seems to be telling the story LE wants him to.
M2C you would think!!! If the credible witness was TomME. For some reason I have a different idea who was considered credible and gave LE a unknown advantage over the River search. IMO LE (SH) made some very interesting things that lead me to believe that TomME was not who he was referring to when using the term credible.
Haleigh could very well be alive and hidden, but if she is not, I believe she would have been buried not thrown in the river. As messed up as all of the players are, I still can not imagine any of them doing that.
Sorry I ment comments and failed to mention things
For instance the neighborhood door to door canvas for information on a silver/grey van seen in the area recently and was in connection to this case.
WTH is up with calling the case a homicide case without a body and a named POI? I also agree with Whylie IMO SH was ready to change the status of the case prior to the search ever starting. They claim to have conducted many searches in and around that County and this is the first that SH calls all family in for a meeting and no body was found and any evidence that was found and recovered before hand could not definitively have suggested a year old crime scene that indicated HaLeigh was dead. JMO
texasmommy, It wasn’t said when the van was supposed to have been in the area, that I saw at least.
If Werter told the truth about it, he said,
Tommy took LD – 8th
Tommy met with Werter and Brown – 12th – morning
They then all met with LE – 12th – afternoon
They then all went to the river – 12th – evening
The next day the search started – 13th – morning
TM39 @ 9 am – I agree. So what advantage does declaring it a homicide give to SHardy or anyone else or the case or Haleigh?
Have to go for a bit. I’ll check back later!
Whylie without going and digging I need to make the point that even if it was over a year ago that LE was stating this Silver/grey van was in the area and connected to this crime none of the known players drive a silver/grey van. IMO it was considered a key to this paticular search and something that LE was not putting out their for media and the public.
Good question M2c! IMO it would allow them to charge someone with murder without a body…unless they could produce an alive HaLeigh.
IMO LE not naming a person of interest after changing the cases status to homicide and then finally confirming that the search was unproductive says a lot. IMO LE just upped the stakes in this game of cat and mouse and even though LE may have a good hunch as to whom all is involved they are still no closer to solving this case nor do they know exactly what took place that night in that MH and who took HaLeigh.JMO
I think Hardy also covered his butt by using the word “probably”. He said that Haliegh is probably no longer alive.
WhyLie said,in July 12th, 2010 at 9:02 am texasmommy, It wasn’t said when the van was supposed to have been in the area, that I saw at least.
If Werter told the truth about it, he said,
Tommy took LD – 8th
Tommy met with Werter and Brown – 12th – morning
They then all met with LE – 12th – afternoon
They then all went to the river – 12th – evening
The next day the search started – 13th – morning
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What is your take on this Whylie? I mean I would think Werter and SKB relationship would of been considered a conflict of intrest to both parties.
Texasmommy, It is very possible that the officer made a mistake in the color of the van, or possibly the resident of the area made the mistake when they talked to media.
Not like LE hasn’t made mistakes in discussing this case before, such as,
TN brought clean laundry to the MH that evening.
They have been on the case since 2:15 am.
Haleigh’s gender is male.
Those are just some of the errors off the top of my head. He77 I’m surprised LE got “van” right, but I wouldn’t doubt they got the color wrong, given the fact Tommy had said he saw Haleigh in the van with JO.
texasmommy, I agree it appears to be a conflict of interest. I have serious questions as to whether Werter is working in TC’s best interest or not.
I can not imagine an attorney having their client implicate themselves in a serious crime without something on the table, in writing.
You would think not only would the attorney be keeping his mouth shut but he would also be encouraging his client to shut up and not talk to anybody.
That’s what attorneys are supposed to do.
You possible are right it has been obvious that this Sherrifs Office is full of humans that can and will make mistakes, but, IMO, look at the bunch they are dealing with. We also know that eye witnesses make mistakes as well and memories are not as good a year later. I wonder how TomMe can remember anything during his hazy days of habitual drug use before and after HaLeighs abduction. Just because you get sober and clean does not bring back black out moments during hard and habitual drug use.. just saying. IMO I do not believe TomME was SH’s credible witness he would be a certified retard in that case and the sighting of the van is a interesting tid bit that was not put out as a BOLO for the publics awareness during that search from LE.
Well remember who SH’s credible witness was to the Mondex search.
texasmommy39 said,in July 12th, 2010 at 8:02 am Very sad…. I am great been very busy. Glad firework season is over!!!!!!
I noticed KP was in here a few days ago, but was not able to read everything…. did she have something inmportant to share?
Andy said,in July 12th, 2010 at 8:15 am texasmommy, KP just had BS, Tommy’s court hearing was rescheduled for a later date. Good to see you.
Can you direct me to which article and what time the posts were i would like to read what she had to say now?
WhyLie said,in July 12th, 2010 at 9:35 am texasmommy, I agree it appears to be a conflict of interest. I have serious questions as to whether Werter is working in TC’s best interest or not.
I can not imagine an attorney having their client implicate themselves in a serious crime without something on the table, in writing.
You would think not only would the attorney be keeping his mouth shut but he would also be encouraging his client to shut up and not talk to anybody.
That’s what attorneys are supposed to do.
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What is the chance that SKB was working for Werter first? Would it be considered a conflict of intrest if SKB was acting in his capacity of PI and gained the Sheffields trust to get in close and gain inside information that Werter was not other wise in the position to get?
I had always had a suspicion about TM motives in turning on the Cummings and reaching out to the Sheffields. If I remember correctly the first time TM was able to meet with the Sheffields was at the benifit concert out side of Houston. In fact the promoter was stating it was his doing if I remember correctly…
texasmommy, Anything is possible with the players and those that have managed to insert themselves into the case.
I believe it was stated Brown had been working the case for the Sheffields and had been working it for 10 months. Not sure when he stopped working for the Sheffields, or if he ever did.
I would think either way it would be a conflict of interest to be working both sides of the fence, so to speak.
I just haven’t figure out the how and why that Brown connected with Werter. Did Werter contact Brown, or vice versa. How did that connection get made and why.
I mean, come on, Brown solved the case, remember. Maybe he should have informed Hardy of that. Geeez!!!!
Tanya…LOL… OT I spell my name Tonya, but, my husband still spells it with an a and pronounces it that way to.
The article about Cobra is where I noticed KP posting, but, like I said I didn’t and haven’t had the chance to read all of it and was just wanting the condenced version.
texasmommy39 said,in July 12th, 2010 at 9:52 am Tanya…LOL… OT I spell my name Tonya, but, my husband still spells it with an a and pronounces it that way to.
The article about Cobra is where I noticed KP posting, but, like I said I didn’t and haven’t had the chance to read all of it and was just wanting the condenced version.
OT I pronouce it Tonya but spell it Tanya! Its my pet peeve when some one calls me Tan Ya! Haha!
Thank you i will be back and if your still here let you know what i found!
I don’t know… It all smells fishy and makes LE look incompetent and SKB a fool if we are to believe the River Search BS and the speculated IMO reasons that provoked it and who provided credibility to that site being connected to the crime of HaLeighs abduction and now homicide.
Well we have Ron telling Cobra about the boat ramp and his thoughts that Haleigh was there. Could the source be Ron? We have no way of knowing since he has not spoken since he has been in jail. jmo
I am with ya on the Tan Ya… grew up being called Tan Ya Tucker. If I was making $ off my name I probably wouldn’t mind the twang. LOLThank you for the stress relief and condenced update offer. I will be able to be in and out today I hope and get caught up and say hello to everyone.
texasmommy39- I have seen various pictures of the Croslin van and in some of them the van looks grey, while in others it looks blue!
There are pictures on WS of Rita lane where TN lives and under the car port is a silver SUV older model, could this be what is refered to as a van too? jmo
Wonder if they asked AS and TN if they saw anyone in the area when they were doing their little search of the site? jmo
Down here we call SUV’s “sissy trucks”.
Even Casey’s attorney thinks the 911 calls will be admitted as evidence:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-cindy-anthony-911-calls-20100711,0,1425640.story
Tobias- when I say van, I am often referring to an SUV. lol I am not good with makes, models etc… As far as I am concerned, there are cars, pick-ups, vans, trucks and Semis, those are the only 5 models I know.
Le also searched the Memorial bridge area right before the dock, supposedly for a gun in a murder that happened in 2007. Who provided that tip? I still feel it was part of the search for Haleigh.jmo
tobias, now that would be interesting now that TC is in GP with RC. Dang I can just imagine what that would be like. HMMMMM interesting that TC and his attorney didn’t complain about that but faulty plumbing and no a/c thats stupid shit when you just lost your rights to comfort and new ammenities.? I mean come on WTH is going on here?
IMO all should take note of Sheriffs such as these and save taxpayers money to deter crime instead of keeping the open door policy going.
http://www.koco.com/news/24080326/detail.html
http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/
I am sure Floridians would definatly reconsider a life of crime when faced with incarseration and containment in a tent swamp infested with gators. LOL Ohhh and pink thermal s all year round sound perfectly uncomfortable in that hummid heat. Glad I aint Sheriff arent ya’ll.LOL
Does anyone have Jan Barrett’s e-mail address, I just got an e-mail from Revecca Howell and she is willing to assist in Zach’s case?
I meant Rebecca Howell!
Granny23 @ 10:18 am
Thank you for the link. It’s good info for anyone interested in the monster anthony case and the issues that will come up at the hearing Thursday.
That’s because it’s not about – or not ALL about – the smell. It’s about another aspect of the 911 calls. I’m not sure the defense understands that yet.
One little correction, though. This article did not say the defense thinks the calls will be admitted. It was Brad Conway, whose job it is to defend Sindee and George Marie (and also “help out” the defense if that’s what Sindee tells him to do). But right now Brad’s going to have his hands full dealing with Sindee (IMO)! LOL! Brad is probably asking himself which lie will get Sindee in the least trouble (or Sindee is telling him what she’s going to do whether he likes it or not)!
Also, Richard Hornsby was quoted as saying he thought the 911 calls would be admitted but he’s orlando sentinel’s consultant on legal matters.
I found her e-mail on the last blog!
m2c said,in July 12th, 2010 at 10:49 am
My bad, I meant Cindy’s attorney.
texasmommy39 said,in July 12th, 2010 at 10:10 am I am with ya on the Tan Ya… grew up being called Tan Ya Tucker. If I was making $ off my name I probably wouldn’t mind the twang. LOLThank you for the stress relief and condenced update offer. I will be able to be in and out today I hope and get caught up and say hello to everyone.
I dont know what it was but every first day of class the teacher would do roll call and they would call me Tan Ya and i would correct them everytime. LOL!
Read KP comments, Ill make it short and sweet. It was alot of BS she said she only blogged cause Vaq pissed her off which i say if it brings her back Vaquera keep pissing her off! Hehe!
She also stated that there was no Paternity test given it was stated that both parents agreed Ron was the father! She also stated she did not pay AH and that she helped set up funds for Cobra while he was on the case.
Hope that helps ya get caught up some! Hope everyone has a good day.
Praying for Haleigh!
That’s okay, Granny! And thanks for the article. It’s really good info.
What I’m puzzled about is that this Thursday’s hearing was originally about Bozo trying AGAIN to get his grubby chubby little hands on all of TES’s records. I wonder if that’s still happening and they’ve just added the 911 issue to that same hearing day?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
Wow this guy is unorthidoxed but effective. I didn’t know to much about him when I directed everyone to that link so I did a little more digging. I have to say I agree with the concept but not the implied corruption or abuse of power. Need to run BBL.
PS I really would not make em wear pink thermals, but swamp tent city does sound possible.LOL I would say that florida could use a free work force to clean up after natural disasters and save thousands of tax dollars in fema and clean up efforts and prevent a lot of fraud that takes place when people in those circumstances are at their lowest.
Granny 23- Right now I think there is a reality light bulb going off in George’s head! He knows if he or Lee did anything to Casey. If either of them did, then they need to tell the truth in mitigation for Casey. If not, they should not lie just to get the death sentence mitigated.
I don’t think George did anything to her but I can beleive that the defense team and Cindy are pressuring him to say he did!
As to Cindy, I think there was an argument between her and Casey and that’s why Casey left! I don’t think Cindy thought anything more than Casey was being spiteful and not letting her see Caylee for the first couple of weeks. Then she was getting worried and I beleive she knew the minute she smelled the odor in the car that Caylee was gone forever. I beleive she blamed herself for the fight she had with Casey.
As for the smell of decomposition, I think she knew that smell too. She worked for Gentiva and if it is the same in Florida as California, then they are a home health agency that have nurses who go to homes and Assisted Living and meet the medical needs of the Elderly. During one of my visits with an Elderly abused woman, a Gentiva nurse was there to do wound care and the smell of decaying flesh filled the room! That smell is much more promient after death but nonetheless, a nurse would know it!
m2c said,in July 12th, 2010 at 10:58 am That’s okay, Granny! And thanks for the article. It’s really good info.
As far as I know, the defense is still going to argue for the TES records on Thursday.
What I find a bit ironic is that Cindy’s calls happened on July 15 2008, exactly two years ago, to the day.
It should be interesting, to say the least.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 12th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Way back when I was in Nursing School, we had to attend several autopsies, and a couple of them were on bodies that had been found after several days-the smell is overwhelming, and once you smell it, you never forget it. It definitely doesn’t smell like rotting pizzas or garbage.
I’d love to see Cindy talk her way out of this.
Granny 23- Exactly!
Granny23 @ 11:29
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Ahhh, “the irony is rich,” as Judge Strickland once said!
Where is everyone? Guess everyone must be taking the day off since there isnt any new news? jmo bbl
just checking in on lunch hour… doesn’t look like much is up… darn.. where is HALEIGH!!!!!!!!!????????
someone needs to spill it N O W!!!!!
Just a curious question, Why are there no articles on what is happening in the Kyron Hormon case?
Karri–At this forum or in general? I was wondering the same thing myself. I have tried to follow that case but there is something just not right there. I think it all starts with that picture of Kyron with that science exhibit. I do not think Kyron ever made it to the school that day. Something could have happened the night before. I also do not like the way the relationship with the father and stepmother started. – watched the news conference with both families in the beginning and the stepmother did not look too broken up, matter of fact she had Susan Smith tears. I believe she will be the key in finding Kyron and I believe that with time passing that he will not be found alive. I pray that he is found alive but I fear that he won’t be. Like Haleigh’s case someone needs to talk.
Robin, I thought the same thing about him not being at school that day but one of his classmates says hesaw him. I would think he was mistaken if it had been a period of time before questioning but LE jumped on the case pretty fast!
I wonder if the stepmom had been on steroids during her bodybuilding days, I also don’t feel comfortable with how the relationship between Kaine & stepmommy started!
Hi, Karri!
Jan’s been really busy although I know in her heart she’d like to write about every missing child.
HOWEVER, WE can open new threads on any missing child in BNN’s Forum. We’ve done it before with other children. And even if there is a thread about a child – here on the public blog – we can still have a thread about it in the forum. It’s also a great place to post links and info.
You might want to check it out.
Scroll up to the top of this page and click on Forums. On the page that shows up click on the bold word Forum.
I think someone posted more specific instructions earlier in either this article or the previous one. I’ll try to find them for you.
Off topic, but need to post before I run out of space. hello everyone. Continue to read and learn and be inspired by posts. Have “I Pad” and have limited posting space. Please pay close attention to the effect of oil spill on our ecosystem. We are only seeing and hearing what little is known about such a mass spill. Cover ups about the devastation of this spill by BP + the government agencies it has on their payroll are a TRUE conspiracy. We must learn to question authority at every move. OIL is not our only resource for fuel. It is just the one heavily owned by the rich.
tobias said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 10:13 am
There are pictures on WS of Rita lane where TN lives and under the car port is a silver SUV older model, could this be what is refered to as a van too? jmo
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Ron’s old dodge is sitting right under the carport and an SUV is not a van.
Alexandria–The picture Of Kyron at the science fair had no other people in the picture. Where were other students, parents, or school employees/teachers? Could the child have been mistaken, maybe seeing the back of another child’s head or someone that looked similar walking away? Did he talk to Kyron or just see him (or thought so)? I heard that the father supposedly kicked the stepmother’s son out (maybe just rumor). Could she be getting revenge? Could her son be involved? I think she has acted suspiciously during this and with every new lead that comes in then she looks like the culprit. LE did act quickly but yet there was that window of opportunity from the start of school until the bus ran for someone to take this child and get rid of evidence. I think LE is on the right track and hopefully she will talk.
Hi, Karri!
I found the info to help join the forums. Then you can play around and open a thread on a topic if you want.We used to use it more before but it would still be very handy for updates and conversation.
On Article # 124867, title “Hayleigh Cummings – Caylee Anthony – Zachary Pittman – Update Sunday July 11
See comment by LadySadie from July 10 @ 6:56 pm.
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Obviously Kyron’s step mom took the photo and she did it for a reason…to prove he was at the science fair. Perhaps the stop mom and son are in on it together. I think Kyron’s story is more like Caylee’s story instead of Haleigh’s. You know there’s something not right with this woman. All the arrows point to her, but you can’t prove it without a doubt. Not yet.
Alexandria Loring said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Tobias- when I say van, I am often referring to an SUV. lol I am not good with makes, models etc… As far as I am concerned, there are cars, pick-ups, vans, trucks and Semis, those are the only 5 models I know.
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SUV’s are considered light trucks.
texas mom 39 said,in July 12th, 2010 at 10:01 am I don’t know… It all smells fishy and makes LE look incompetent and SKB a fool if we are to believe the River Search BS and the speculated IMO reasons that provoked it and who provided credibility to that site being connected to the crime of Haleigh’s abduction and now homicide.
Didn’t you chat with a lady on this forum one day saying she was SB. wife,also that you new who she was., now he has some form of Cancer.
also she stated that he did all the work on the Haleigh case by himself.???
Robin- the picture on abcnews.com shows a little girl and I think it’s an adult male in the background. If they can identify who those people are they might get a clue to when the picture was taken.
The classmate says that he spoke to kyron and saw him in the hallway. The child has not spoken publicly, perhaps he/she is mistaken!
I just don’t feel comfortable about the step mom.
I don’t beleive it’s a rumor that Kaine had his stepson leave and you might be right about the revenge!
vaquera said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
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sissy trucks
Just re looked at the picture taken at Teresa’s and the SUV is under the carport too but as I said it’s considered a light truck and not a van or car.
WhyLie said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
vaquera said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
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soccer mom trucks. LOL Never owned one, don’t want too. hard to haul hay and feed in the back of one.LOL
aquera said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
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Yeah but you can haul lots of Pradas in them.
Alexandria–I saw that picture too and saw the other people there, but with a science fair it would seem that school would be teeming with people, more than one adult and one child. I would hope LE identified the people in the photo and questioned them. These days anybody can be responsible–a school employee, a parent, another child. LE zeroed in on the stepmother pretty quickly and I hope they have some type of evidence to make her their focus. Just because she acts suspiciously does not make her guilty. She needs to be forthcoming if she hasn’t been and help clear her name if she is innocent. This little boy needs to be found regardless.
Le is going to play nice with Tommy see Florida times Union
Off topic but just saw Robbie Middleton in Palatka jail log aressted today!!!
If any of you guys have read the new article in
Florida Times Union. Tommy is not going to court. LE has just agreed not to do it anymore. What does this mean? I am serious
What does all of this really mean as far as the law is concern and not just an opnion.
waiting…OMG Robbie Middleton is even uglier than Ron.
Waiting for an answer–What was Robbie arrested for?
Waiting who is Robbie?
Robin arested for Burg unoccupied structure: unarmed Damage Prop Crim misch : Larc Petit Bond $2512.00
Thanks for the post coop. Why am I not supprised !
Robbie was the one they were talking about could be Haleigh’s real father a couple of days ago. I think it was Cobra subject thread.
robin, here are Robbie’s charges:
ROBERT PAUL MIDDLETON
CRESCENT CITY, FL
Booking Date & Time: 7/12/2010 3:22:05 PM – Booking#: 10-02984
Release Date & Time:
DOB: 11/22/1982 – RACE: W – SEX: M
Charges Misd/Felony
810.02-4a BURGL UNOCCUPIED STRUCTURE UNARMED
806.13-1b3 DAMAGE PROP-CRIM MISCH 1000 DOLS OR MORE
812.014-3a LARC PETIT 1ST OFF
coop, Robbie is the one “rumored” to also possibly of been Haleigh’s “father”.
Wonder if Connie will bond him out.
Thank you LadySadie, I couldn’t get it to copy and paste 🙂
Thank you LadySadie and Waiting for an answer. It seems like everyone even mentioned in this case is getting arrested. I was under the impression the Middleton’s were an influential family. Maybe I read too much into that last article that Cobra questioned Haleigh’s paternity.
Thanks, I have had Grandma duties this summer
and have fallen a little behind. I logged on to local news and saw Tommy’s news today. Of course, it has nothing to do with Haleigh. I swear that Tommy is so strange to me. I hate those old jail conversations that he doesn’t want Lindsy to spend tax return money to live off of and to get money from her family to pay. Lindy’s family has kept his issues cover for a long time. I think they kept their Lindsy and her kids propped up and finally pulled the plug if it included Tommy in this last little Drug Feast he had been on.
Thanks Coop.
The online version of the Florida Times Union is jacksonville.com
Just click on the News box at the top for today’s story “Croslin Hearing on Jail Interrogation Cancelled.” Below are two excerpts:
(1st paragraph) “A hearing to request that investigators not question Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr. without his attorney present has been cancelled after the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office agreed not to do so again.”
(Last paragraph) “We’re not going to knowingly violate anybody’s rights,” Ryan said. Any indications that officers had acted improperly would have resulted in an internal investigation, he said.
“Werter said he requested the hearing be dropped after investigators agreed not to talk to Croslin without him present.”
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IMO they struck a mutually satisfactory deal. But about what? LE not charging T with anything that he’s admitted to??? Any other ideas?
m2C, I never know what to think about this case. It is the saddest thing I have ever seen.Poor Haleigh and Caylee those little girls just didn’t have a chance. I was kind of a wild kid and when I read these stories I sure
thank god that my kids survived and are wonderful productive people. I think wisdom is wasted on the elderly. It’s a shame we can’t give it to the young.
Who goes before the judge next? Ron or Misty?
Werter needs to be fired IMO. If you notice, LE never denied the accusations but just said they would not question Tommy again without notifying his attorney. This is NO rookie mistake they made. LE knew exactly what they were doing and WHO they were doing it to. Werter has NOT worked for Tommy’s best interests, only his. I would also like to know what agreement they reached. I guess we will have to see when Tommy goes to court. I do not like Tommy, but his rights have been violated by LE and his attorney. I believe Tommy’s accusations and his best bet is to find a lawyer that works FOR HIM instead of AGAINST HIM. JMO
Tommy hasn’t admitted he done it to anyone. Tommy is sly like a fox. He has been around crime of some nature all his life. He killed that kid and of course he doesn’t want to talk about it. I saw on a previous thread that things were sort of leaning towards Timmy. I sure hope not for Hank and Lisa sake. I would hate to see all 3 of their kids in this. I actually think it would kill them. I certainly
don’t approve of their lifestyle however, it does not make their hearts ache any less. Sometimes it’s a lot easier to take punishment
than to see your children take it.
coop, what makes you unequivocally state as a fact that Tommy “killed that kid”? Do you have information that the rest of us don’t?
Robin, I didn’t get Tommy’s attorney signing off on this either. If he felt that Tommy’s rights were violated he just did nothing more than a handshake and put old Tommy right back in the ring. Do you think they improved his cell conditions as well. I thought that was one
of his complaints too. I am not for sure anybody much beleives Tommy anymore even his attorney.
I agree though I wouldn’t want this attorney. I think he shows up on the media outlets to offset some of his cost in this case.
Robin @ 5:21 – Isn’t it possible that Werter has worked out a really good deal on T’s sentencing by letting LE off the hook here? I can see a state attorney agreeing to that to save LE the embarrassment and lawsuit etc. So maybe Werter IS doing this for T. Just a thought.
So LE screws up, yet again, and TC may possibly get a lighter sentence. That is just BS. PCSO should have to face a judge over what they have done, and let them face the consequences.
If this SA goes easy on TC after how she handled Hope, she needs to be investigated.
((Cathy)) are you in today?
M2C–I hope that Werter is working in Tommy’s best interests and made a deal (on paper I hope). If I was Tommy, then my lawyer better worked out a deal BEFORE I dropped these charges. I just don’t trust Werter. I think, Coop, you are right about Werter doing interviews. Maybe he is trying to offset his costs by doing these, but I think he is also a media hound too like so many others in this case. He is doing Tommy NO favors while doing this interviews at all. I believe Tommy needs to get used to his living conditions (which I could care less about in his accusations) because if LE and Werter had their way, he will be doing time for a LONG time. Tommy’s lawyer might surprise me by working for Tommy by making a deal that Tommy and LE would both benefit in, but Werter has not helped Tommy since the River search, so I doubt he is that noble. JMO
LadySadie, you know that I flip-flop between Tommy and Ron. If I had information that none of you had I probably wouldn’t be on this blog.
Several folks have went on to another blogs just for this very reason. We all know that it is a blog just that you write down an idea or thought you would like to share. All this does nothing to honor any child’s abduction. So here ya go. A select few can get on here and chat and it’s nothing more than Facebook. I am
spent with all this nit-picking.
coop, sorry didn’t mean to offend you, I flip-flop between Ron and Misty.
Has anyone heard of a fund being set up to get “paid by the client” attorneys for any of the players in this case?
I for one am having a difficult time believing that CS was actually attracted to this wet chicken-head goblin!
I wonder if werter talked to tommy about dropping the motion on the jail issues before he did it, or just did it on his own without tommys input or against tommys wishes?
I doubt tommy wasn’t iunvolved, imo anyway.
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Rons trial is the 19th, next monday, iirc.
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I wonder why robbie m burglarized the place he did? Is he hooked on drugs too?
Not the first time Robby has been busted for the same charges. His charges in the past were documented “no information”
Except his last charge, driving under influence, reduced to reckless driving with 6 mnths probation.
DUI turns into reckless driving, hmmmmm.
Ladys @4:36
I take exception to your ‘uglier than ron ‘comment.
If you put a white fedora, a ‘clean’ wife-beater tshirt on him with some white jeans and somw new air jordan’s, he’s kevin ‘k-fed’ federline (the skinny version-not the super-sized one)
Britney thought kfed was hot, I heard her say it.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
🙂
No way does Haleigh look anything like Robby. No way at all, not even a smidge.
I always thought that Ron reminded me of K-fed… My sister thinks I’m tripping off that!
Perhaps robbie refused a breath or blood test and reckless was all the d/a felt they could get him on without more evidence.
Don’t know if they film sobriety tests at time of intake at the jail or if they do it in the field in florida.
He could have been weaving, which is seen by the officer, pulled over, smelled of alcohol, refused to cooperate, which is his right, refused blood or breath tests, and was arrested on ‘ suspicion of dui’ which they couldn’t prove without enough evidence.
Or, he got out of trouble in some crooked manner. I’m not sure.
The first time I saw ron on tv and didn’t know who he was I thought for a moment it was kfed.
And then the ron walk came to pass and I knew ron was ‘no freakin’ dancer’.
🙂
No news is painful. What are they doing to find Haleigh?
IMO – Haleigh looks like Crystal.
Le was asking the girl who saw her last and she isn’t consistent with her answers
Le was asking tommy who has placed himself there and he is inconsistent with his answers but says he knows what happened.
Then there are all the documents and recordings of who all they have interviewed and about what and what they said which hasn’t been released to the public.
So, I really don’t know for sure what le is doing to find her.
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 12th, 2010 at 6:03 pm I for one am having a difficult time believing that CS was actually attracted to this wet chicken-head goblin!
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Maybe she was totally baked,Adams? LoL
I know I’d have to be!
They all look better at closing time.LoL
coop said,in July 12th, 2010 at 5:47 pm LadySadie, you know that I flip-flop between Tommy and Ron. If I had information that none of you had I probably wouldn’t be on this blog.
Several folks have went on to another blogs just for this very reason. We all know that it is a blog just that you write down an idea or thought you would like to share. All this does nothing to honor any child’s abduction. So here ya go. A select few can get on here and chat and it’s nothing more than Facebook. I am
spent with all this nit-picking.
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Join the club! LoL
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 12th, 2010 at 5:42 pm ((Cathy)) are you in today?
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I didn’t see you ask! Sorry,My first visit today!
Coop,Ron does!
Maybe Tommy and his lawyer agreed to drop the charges because they have no proof? It wouldn’t be the first time Tommy has made up some story..
coop said,in July 12th, 2010 at 5:47
Hi, Coop! Please come back. I’m sure it was a misunderstanding. Some people have posted things as fact and made it appear they had some inside track, you know? And sometimes it went downhill from there.
I didn’t think that was your intent but others might have read it differently.
It’s safest to add a “imo” (in my opinion) or something like that to some statements. Just a suggestion and hope you come back!
Le said in an article that they wouldn’t do something that the hearing was supposed to be about. Makes me wonder.
I agree and in my mind, tommy embellished whatever happened to him, and whether a right was infringed on or not, he must have been willing to drop it or werter doesn’t do it.
Unless someone has talked to tommy and he states the attorney did something against his wishes, I really don’t know what happened.
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Maybe the outrage over this issue will move one or more people to get him a paid for attorney with a bigger rep and experience level.
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Same for misty, or hope or ron, for that matter. These folks look to have commited crimes, and at this point are charged, and never saved money for a lawyer if they were caught. Not the first time a criminal has not looked beyond their next score and what trouble would ‘cost’ them if caught. And this country provides them an attorney at no charge to the criminal defendant that tax payers pay for. They know they get a free attorney so why save money for that ‘rainy day’ when they get heemed up by police. Poor planning, imo.
ok, what the flip is going on with this case? It is on its way to becoming C O L D!!!!! NOTHING yet???
and in plain words, WHAT went down today with Tommy? I am totally confused…
thanks to everyone… oh, and hello!!!!
NO one can find this poor child? Each day that passes leaves us 24 MORE hours with NOTHING!!!!
And an free attorney is as duty bound to do right by their client as a paid for one does.
If they don’t, our system has remedies for that.
I can’t believe a PAID attorney would have done as sorry of a job as Hope’s free one did for her.
nothing’s free, thanks to the taxpayers…
jaba, Florida is an implied consent state. Refuse testing, automatic loss of license.
Oh come on jaba, surely none of us are that naive to believe that court appointed attorneys do as good a job for the client as a private lawyer does. We see it time and time again, and not just in Florida, all across the U.S.
Andy,
U could be right, or, the attorney had a non cooperative, hell bent 19 year old that knew better and didn’t think that 15 was a big deal until they slapped her in the mouth with it, so to speak.
She has appealed and will have another shot at it with another free attorney in the near future unless she drops it.
If a true civil rights attorney from the aclu or elsewhere feels hope is being done wrong and it violates a right, they can step in. I haven’t hear of anyone approaching that type of organization for help for her but I’m not sure. Maybe someone will notify them because of their outrage over her treatment.
Its possible to get her help if someone makes the attempt. Do you think anyone will?
Yea Florida has remedies for filing grievances on attorneys who don’t do their job. Called the Florida Bar, staffed by Florida attorneys. I think we have already seen a fine example of how that works here in Florida.
The minute Hope’s attorney heard her say “No I don’t understand” the plea should have been pulled and the hearing stopped.
Loss of liscense is not a dui conviction. Lots of folks without licenses drive everyday.
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No, I don’t think public defenders are as good, but the criminals don’t think about paying a johhny cochran type attorney so they get what the system offers. I hope none of us are naïve to think that way.
OK …by my own admission I am dumb when it comes to this subject so here goes. When you
get a court appointed attorney how is it decided? Does every attorney have to take a few of these cases or does only certain attorneys have to take this type of case. I suppose I guess that would lead to my next question,which is it true you get what you pay for and court appointed is one step away from no attorney? Thank goodness, I have no experience in this area. Is this attorney thing like a lottery if your number comes up
you got to represent the person
coop, court appointed or public defender is one step away from defending yourself, imo.
Nothing stopping outraged private citizens from paying for better attorneys or raising money for that.
Anyone here could do it.
WhyLie- In defending yourself at least your looking out for your own best interest!
Whylie, I kind of thought that was what it was.
I am going to educate myself on this public
defender thing. Is there any kind of lien put against these folks to recoop any of the funds.
How is the pay determined for the public defenders? Do you know how that is addressed in
a budget line item of the county or state.
Look at lilos attorney. A former public defender and now a top private defender for big bucks. When your client is wrong, their wrong. Imo
When your client has a past criminal history, it works against the best attorneys. Jmo
I can see young attorneys being public defenders. Everybody need to start somewhere. Isn’t Tommy’s attorney a bit old for that. Now
get this. I have never been to a criminal trial
and only one call to juror duty. Matter of fact
I have never been to any trial and have sterotyped Public Offenders as young lawyers learning the ropes. Somebody set me straight.
WhyLie said, in July 12th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
The minute Hope’s attorney heard her say “No I don’t understand” the plea should have been pulled and the hearing stopped.
no actually, the minute Hope told her mom she was going out and her mom told her NO, and Hope left anyway… Mom should have just changed the locks on the door….
Now..Joe Overstreet had a private attorney right. That family didn’t look like they had any more resources than Hank and Lisa.
jaba, I have seen some of the worst criminals, and I am sure you have heard of many as well, who got of because of the ability of their attorney. OJ is a fine example. Money talks, fact of life. Justice is not blind, contrary to what some want us to believe.
Coop, is this new about Joe?
coop, I don’t know how the funds for Public defenders and court appointed lawyers is figured. It would have to be in with the county/state budget, somehow. I know some, not sure if all, counties in Florida charge the defendant a fee, $50.00 in counties I am familiar with, to apply for a public defender, and then they are often charged a fine which is paid to the Public defenders office, usually as a part of a person’s probation.
Who is willing to step up and help hope and tommy financially then?
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Justice isn’t blind when you have video tape of the crime unless mitigating circumstances can be shown. Hope has none, imo anyway. She can go to re-trial and I’d bet she gets the same min of the min/man she’s charged, and right now, convicted of.
Who is willing to step up and help hope and tommy financially then?
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Justice isn’t blind when you have video tape of the crime unless mitigating circumstances can be shown. Hope has none, imo anyway. She can go to re-trial and I’d bet she gets the same min of the min/man she’s charged, and right now, convicted of.
coop, the court can give you a public defender or a private attorney can motion the court to be appointed, and the court will pay for that attorney, not the normal fees that the attorney would get for a regular client, but a much reduced fee.
The problem with that is the attorney is not given nearly the amount of money to defend the case, lab work, witnesses, depoes, etc. whereas the prosecution has a much more open budget to use.
Poor Haleigh Cummings. Her abduction has brought some of Putnam’s worse issues to the forefront with drugs. This would be the third generation if Flo Hollars did indeed smoke crack . It is a shame that Haleigh’s family didn’t see that. I can’t believe that her grandmother and great grandmother went to the Tommy Croslin’s resident begging her to go back to Ron. What the heck ….then there’s Ron
insisted on leaving them with this kid that he knows has problems of her own. The only one watching Haleigh was the one that abducted her?
Today I think it’s Tommy.
Money talks, I agree. Who is willing to dig in their pocket to help hope and tommy?
Coop–Public defenders are renown for making plea deals. They would rather not take a client to trial, because of the costs and time involved in a trial. They have heavy caseloads and yes it is like a lottery–their name is in a pool and when your name comes up you have a new client. These people are overworked and underpaid and their clients suffer for it. It is rare indeed if a client gets a public defender that BELIEVES in them and their case. That is a tragic miscarriage of justice. WhyLie–You are so right. Justice is not blind and it also has a price tag. The rich can pay their way out of jail time (any serious jail time). MONEY TALKS, unfortunately, whether guilty or innocent. JMO
robin, exactly!
Werter is a private attorney, no doubt on rotation. If you look at his website werterlaw.com it seems like depending on what county or city you live in his sphere of practice differs!
No the Joe Overstreet thing is not new. I was asking if someone had to pay for the services that he (the lawyer)had rendered? I would not think there is a public pool of funds unless you were actually charged. Now this comes from someone that know nothing about the legal system
Coop at 8:20
Ita
I’ve seen private, well paid attorneys take cases for free.
Like Bozo?
jaba- like Baez!!!!
Alex, LOL!
Whylie-lol
SELF CONTROL in the first place should speak the loudest. Imo. None of these folks were forced to do anything. Imo
WhyLie- you owe me a coke!
Alex, I was going to say “like KP” but was afraid that would pizz her off and she would show back up here
Boy I hope if I ever get in trouble I don’t have to take one of these Public Offender.
So the attorney backing off going to trial today for Tommy is all about cost? He just does not want to use the resources from his
firm to incur a cost that he knows he probably
won’t get paid a fair rate or reimbursement.
As unfair as that sounds, I get it from a business stand point but it sucks for the poor
guy that can’t afford an attorney. NOT A TOMMY FAN just trying to get all this straight in my head.
Guys, when KP post what name does she use?
I would like to go back and read her post?
but, if you play, you pay…
and then you get what you pay for..
sorry.. DON’T feel sorry for anyone that chooses drugs or alcohol… or even cigarettes for that matter…
I totally don’t feel sorry for any person that chooses to commit a crime and then gets put in jail and then get s a public defender…
IT’S a choice…
WhyLie- are you a mind reader!!lol
coop, KP
I am not here to make anyone mad. But is that
Kim person a Public Defender
Alex, LOL
coop, no she is not a criminal lawyer, she is a family lawyer, divorce (as Don found out), custody, things like that.
coop- I think that in cases like this and definitely in Casey’s case, they make more on the publicity then then what they get from the court! Maybe Werter didn’t think he would get enough from the mistreatment hearing! Though I would have loved to hear what was going on!
coop..lol
thinking NO on that one…
Gotcha Whylie I am going to go back and look at
some of those threads. Isn’t that an issue with
a judge in the Anthony case? Boy, I am attorney
stupid sure hope none of my post offend her.
It just looks to me that if her firm was busy
she wouldn’t have time to hang out with the bloggers? I probably have this all wrong, I was just so busy when I worked I can’t imagine have time to blog.
Let’s get casey the best attorney in the country to get her off. Anyone want that or think it would happen with the evidence shown?
I’m still wondering who will help hope and tommy? Anyone? Beuller? Beuller?
🙂
Alex, I believe once TC is sentenced, the records can be obtained and the motion etc will be in their. I am going to get Donna’s. I want to see how her plea deal came about, if anybody of “influence” came to her defense and spoke with/wrote to the SA.
coop, she hangs out with us because she likes us, especially vaquera. LOL.
Coop–I read some earlier threads in July 2009 and August 2009. Read the one where she got fired. She posted on some of those threads.
So when the media outlets disappear do you think these attorneys will as well.
OK. so Kim is a family law attorney. I assume
she injected herself into this to help the community support Haleigh’s mom. I am sure she
never expected one dime and this was her way of
giving back. I am sure that’s her story anyway.
Let me go read some of those post and see what her cause is,
Don’t do the crime if you can do the time…or pay for the best most experienced lawyers with infite resources. 🙂
Don’t buy a house or car you can’t AFFORD.
Don’t do drugs or sell them.
Don’t think that you can plead out, then get the sentence within the paramters or the plea document YOU SIGNED as an adult.
So many don’ts should be followed. Know what I mean?
🙂
WhyLie- Do all the cases in Florida, where someone pleads guilty or nolo, always have the sentence weeks or months away from the plea? Here sometimes the judge sentences them immediately, only if they are waiting for a sentencing report from probation do they put it to a later date!
“Of the plea deal” not “or the plea deal” in prev post.
Alex, From the cases I am familiar with if PSI is waived they are sentenced right away. If PSI is ordered, then sentencing is within a couple of weeks. I haven’t seen any where it is months before sentencing. That might be just the way Putnam and St Johns does it. I will go through some dockets tonight and see if that seems to be standard in other cases in Putnam or not.
Hope declined the PSI pre sentencing investigation and was sentenced on the spot, iirc.
Robin, I am only a few months old to this site.
You have got to be kidding. She posted when she
got fired. I never followed the Sheffield side
of this case much at all. IMO the logostics of
getting Crystal from Baker to Putnam just don’t
click for me.
I just kind of always thought her a cleaned up
version of Donna Brock that injected herself into this for a claim to fame. Or else just awesome person that tried to do the right thing.
Is she from Putnam County too?
Hope pled out on 3/31 and sentenced 4/27
coop, she is from south florida, a personal friend of Cobra’s.
There are non profit law organizations with very talented attorneys who help indigent clients that have plenty of resources. Anyone willing to contact them on behalf of hope or tommy?
WhyLie, OMG, I feel sorry for the person that ever tries to write a book about this case. How in the heck would you ever get your arms around the personality of these folks that have
come out of the woodwork. There are so many, even Cobra can be a flake at times.
So she had 30 days to think about it and didn’t withdraw before the sentencing? I wonder why?
jaba,Hope needs to stay right where she is at. I agree the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. Especially, with Hardy’s son doing worse as far
as I am concerned. Hope, was a prostitute with no education and getting a drug problem. I pray
they will educate Hope and get her off drugs. This was not Hope’s first night out by any means. I know jail sometimes makes a bad kid good or a bad kid worse.
Of course, I am on Tommy’s azzz today and don’t have one good thing to say about him
Bottom line, she did not understand, and that is a very big issue in the legal system. Her lawyer listened to the tape and heard Hope say she did not understand, she should have rescinded the plea immediately. The judge listened to the tape and heard Hope say she did not understand, he should have stopped the hearing immediately.
jaba, those non-profit groups take folks that really has a cause. Hope maybe should have some help. However, do you really think they would waste their time with Tommy.
Jaba- I’ll take up Tommy’s cause!
Jaba- Besides Tommy being very pathetic, he appears to live in another world. I beleive he was really shocked at Hope’s sentence!
Whylie- When was Donna’s plea. Isn’t she getting sentenced in September?
whylie, bottom line………….I totally agree.
From Jan Barretts article on hope:
Hope appeared in court Tuesday morning and she plead no contest to one count of drug trafficking in narcotics. The judge presiding over the case, Circuit Judge Terry LaRue sentenced her to 15 years in prison which is the minimum mandatory sentence for this crime. Apparently Hope was looking to only be sentenced to probation and drug therapy as a youthful offender. She stood before the judge and told him that she wanted to get her GED, go to college and become a physical therapist. She told him, “I let drugs control my life. I let my family down. I know I messed up. I want help. I don’t want to live this life no more.”
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Hope admits her mistake. I think a new trial will use that against her. Imo
jaba, I don’t question that Hope did wrong and needs some correction. I also see that she has not had an opportunity to have a “normal” life and learn how to be a productive person. I would have like to have seen her sentenced to 5-7 years on a rehabilitation center where she would have been educated, counseled and taught the basics that her family so failed to do. I DO NOT think that serving 12-15 years will do anything except produce a more angry, victimized person who will come out and be worse then she went in.IMO
LadySadie said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
waiting…OMG Robbie Middleton is even uglier than Ron
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He looks like a meth head.
Alex,
That’s very nice of you.
Call werters office in the morning and ask him what he needs financially to help tommy through this and see how you can help.
He will probably tell you not to tell other bloggers anything about the arrangment so you will have to decide to tell us here or not what he says and what he thinks he can do with more money. Maybe another attorney should be brought in to help werter on the case. Maybe another investigator will be needed.
He may say its too late. If so, tell him you will find another attorney that feels differently and hire one on your own and start from tomorrow forward.
Or, contact these non profit organizations and see if they will be willing to get involved. If they say, no, then hire someone with experience in these matters that can advise you and tommy of what his options are.
A new attorney will also be accountable to you, not just tommy and if they break rules, report them to the bar association on yours and his behalf.
Its an uphill battle but you have as much chance of success as any other person paying for top notch law advice and help.
That’s what I think but I’m sure others here have good ideas on how you can help tommys cause.
This a very unselfish. Task you are taking on. Good luck with it. Anything is possible if you believe and work hard enough on it.
WhyLie said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
coop, she hangs out with us because she likes us, especially vaquera. LOL
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That’s because I am so wuvable. 😀
Andy,
Are there places that have 5-7 years rehabtype programs?
Coop. 9:07
I don’t know if they would take it up or not. But I know the answer is ‘no’ if no one ever asks them.
I’m glad to see someone do something tangible with their outrage instead of just talking about it.
If I felt strongly, I would try whatever I could, basd on my resources to DO something rather than just talk about it. That’s just me. That certainly doesn’t make be any better than anyone else. It just shows true commitment to a cause.
Having said that, I don’t blame or begrudge anyone who doesn’t ‘step up’ as not feeling strongly, I just question their commitment to it.
If it was my child I’d try to move heaven and earth to help. None of these folks are anyone I know first hand. And I don’t feel they are being treated beyond the bounds of current law. I have no incentive nor desire to help them, to be brutally honest. I’m sure I’m not the only reader here who feels that way but only speak for myself.
Jaba – you are sooo right about Ron and K-fed and you made me LMAO at the comparison
although I dissagree with you about Ron’s dancing ability , in my oppinion ( I’m a ballet teacher ) the Ron walk takes some skill and rhythm , I would guess he could bust some moves LOL jmo
I believe Youthful offender is max 6 years, which can be partially incarcerated and partly community control. It offers a lot more programs then standard sentencing.
Alex, Donna pled out on 6/15 and goes for sentencing 9/1
a 6 year program would be great for Misty , long enough to give her an opportunity to really change her life
Jaba, it sure seems like you are being overly sarcastic to Alex and Coop. I don’t have any problem with you being compassion-less and having a hard heart towards all parties. But I
can’t understand why you talk down to everyone that does show compassion and has a desire to help people that have screwed up. I am not jumping on you, just stating my observation.
I respect Alex and Coop for their desire to help regardless if they may or may not have the means.
Andy said,in July 12th, 2010 at 9:20 pm jaba, I don’t question that Hope did wrong and needs some correction. I also see that she has not had an opportunity to have a “normal” life and learn how to be a productive person. I would have like to have seen her sentenced to 5-7 years on a rehabilitation center where she would have been educated, counseled and taught the basics that her family so failed to do. I DO NOT think that serving 12-15 years will do anything except produce a more angry, victimized person who will come out and be worse then she went in.IMO
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I agree completly
Judge terry larue, who’s name I see on most of the ‘charges’ posted here, said that the YO program is for persons led astray by others, influenced to do wrong by others–in so many words, which ‘isn’t the case here’ — meaning hope doesn’t qualify. Don’t know if judge larue is right or wrong, but that was what was stated during hopes sentencing.
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Floridians by their legislature are making the rules to follow. If I was not in favor of that I’d be contacting my rep to change them.
There is a review under way due to a bill obama signed into law, I think, of these sentencing guidelines and a report is due some time in the future. Maybe there will be a grandfathered way to change current prisoners sentences based on the outcome of that report and the eventual decisions on min/man sentencing that will apply to the faux fab 5, but I don’t know for sure.
actually in Hope’s case I think she didn’t qualify because she did have like 3 arrests just in the year before January’s arrest, so if you take that into account maybe the 15 years is right , the youth offender program or any break on a first arrest is meant to be just that , a FIRST arrest .
I think if that is what Larue based his decision on he might want to go back and read the Florida Statute 958.04.
To qualify for YO
At least 18 – qualified
Found guilty or pled nolo/guilty – qualified
Not previously classified as a YO – qualified
The statute does not say that the defendant has to have been “led astray” by peers to qualify.
I would also have liked the judge to have given Hope the option to have enlisted in the army for 6 years as an alternative to prison. I think the army might have given her an education.
Chak,
Maybe ron gets out and stars in ‘Break dancin’ 3-boogaloo ron and the satsuma 5’…I’ll be there on opening night, will you? 🙂
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Treece,
Glad to see you post and I’m glad your post let’s me clear up any confusion on my post you mentioned.
I feel strongly about convicted criminals serving tough time, kinda like florida does.
Make no mistake though, I’m not being sarcastic. If folks want to help, I’m stating what I think should be done to achieve those ends with my thoughts.
I’d hate to see career criminals continually “let off” serious crimes that hurt others. It would break my heart if someone in my family or yours were hurt by a dealer, trafficker or addict because they weren’t punished strongly. I don’t think you’d feel good about that either, but I don’t want to put words in your mouth.
Alex said she would take up tommys cause and I mentioned the ways I would handle it. She can ignore it if she wants too. Or she can ignore my posts altogether. I took her seriously.
Treece- that would have been a great opportunity for Hope, actually it would be wonderful for all young offenders
Jaba- I wouldn’t waste my time, effort or finances on Werter! I’m thinking more of contacting Barry Sheck!
When my son was in college he worked on several cases along with other students and surptisingly with little money and a lot of effort convictions were overturned!
Vaquera @ 9:28- roflmao
WhyLie- why so long on her sentencing? Do they have to get reports from her home state?
The army would not have taken hope as an inductee. The army will make exceptions for folks with criminal history to a point.
Also, its against the law for a criminal to be ‘sentenced’ to the army. That practice has been stopped.
The army isn’t the the trash bin for criminals, no offense.
the marine corp isn’t a trash bin for criminals.
The navy isn’t a trash bin for criminals.
The air force isn’t a trash bin for criminals.
The national guard isn’t a trash bin for criminals.
The coast guard isn’t a trash bin for criminals.
The reserves are not a trash bin for criminals.
Like I said, exceptions are made for criminal history, but its not a replacment or ‘boot camp’ for current criminals. Hope WOULD not qualify for such a prestigious group of heroes.
I welcome any further debate on that issue, I really do.
Jaba, you are correct I wouldn’t want to see anyone hurt your family or mine or anyone else. I am for them having consequences. I personally feel that Hope’s punishment did not meet the crime. If you look back at similar PC drug charges for approximately the same amt of drugs they weren’t charged with trafficking but possession or possession with intent to sell and either got probation or a very short sentence.
I feel that it is an injustice that Hope was used as an example to scare other offenders due to the Haleigh case. IMO
With the attitude Hope has & this injustice, my opinion is she will come out of there a hardened criminal. I would have liked her to have received a sentence that at least gave her the opportunity to change.
I am sorry if I misjudged you about being sarcastic. I assumed you were being sarcastic here like you were when CathyJo had stated she would like to help Misty. I felt that you attacked “the how” she would do that instead of seeing the “heart” of her desire to do so.
I respect her immensely for the victories she has had in her past and admire her heart to others. I am not trying to start any argument with you about it. You have the right to your opinion. I am just explaining why I thought you were being sarcastic to Alex and Coop. If you were not again I apologize and appreciate your post in response to mine.
Whylie,
I think u r missing info on the yo program and judge larue had it right.
Jaba, I agree our military men and women are heros. I am also aware that the military has made men out of louses. I KNOW it can’t be court ordered. That is why I said I would have liked them to have given her a chance to enlist as an option.
Judge Larue has 8 years on the bench and 30 years in private practice. A good indication to me that this judge knows what’s what.
Jaba- since the military became volunteer, no more draft, I would not want anyone who does not want to be there trying to defend our country. Even now people enlist just for the benefits and the minute they may be deployed in harms way they want out! Those people should have to pay back the government for any education they received! Yes my youngest son was in the Navy during Desert Storm! My oldest son could not enlist because of his injuries!
Treece,
I appreciate your clarification.
I don’t doubt cathyjo’s heart nor alez’s heart. By their own admission they are world class people with huge hearts. I just wanted to know how they would help. I’m not impuning or talking down to anyone like them. Again, its easy to say one wants to help, I’m just asking how they will. Nothing more.
I apologize to you if I have missed your point anywhere here.
Jaba- Did you read my 10:26 post?
Jaba, thank you for your answer. I appreciate you expressing yourself and us discussing it and not being offended. No offense intended, I guess I just “heard” it wrong. Sincere thanks.
Hope couldn’t cut it in military boot camp.
How do you admire someone’s heart if you don’t know them personally? Seems strange because anyone can be what they want people to think they are on a blog on myspace. We all may be sitting here talking to dudes in the state pen.
IMO that is
Taco- She apparently didn’t think she could make it in Youth Boot Camp so I have to agree with you she wouldn’t make it in the military.
I have a nephew who in Feb finished his 4th tour of duty in Iraq. He is now stationed in Alaska and his mother is worried about Russian spies getting him!
said,in July 12th, 2010 at 10:33 pm The army would not have taken hope as an inductee. The army will make exceptions for folks with criminal history to a point.
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I welcome any further debate on that issue, I really do.
There is not a debate for the other side of that as we all know she couldn’t make it in any branch.
Treece said,in July 12th, 2010 at 10:17 pm I would also have liked the judge to have given Hope the option to have enlisted in the army for 6 years as an alternative to prison. I think the army might have given her an education.
My son is in the Army I don’t want Hope watching his back.
I watched some lock up show about people in prison and some of those young men and women said they would be dead if they had stayed out. They got educated and got straight. Then they learn to appreciate la familia.
not a gang la familia, the family, sorry
I am taling to myself now it looks like.
Sykes had been out of jail less than two weeks on a possession charge when she was arrested in the trafficking case, which LaRue said disqualified her for youthful offender consideration that would have meant a much shorter sentence.
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That previous arrest did not disqualify her for YO program. She had not been convicted of that charge AND she had never been sentenced as a YO. Larue errored with that statement.
maybe her sentence can be overturned
Alex,
Had to run out for a minute.
Your som who served is a much better ‘man’ that I will ever be.
Your som who wanted to and tried is a true kind-hearted tuf som’ bitch for even making the effort.
I have no doubts about my last two paragraphs, at all.
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Taco,
U r right. Hope wouldn’t have made it out of the ‘pit’ in any branch, imo.
Taco, just had an interruption I didn’t leave. I do understand you saying that you wouldn’t want Hope having your son’s back. I would feel the same way. I guess I what I really would want is for her to be able to learn the disciplines and ethics of the military. So maybe that was a bad idea and a boot camp/rehab type setting is what I think might help her. The point is, I think, there could have been a different choice for her that would have benefited her and society more than prison.
I hope that Hope’s sentence is overturned… Okay, she mouthed-off on the phone, so what!! Freedom of Speech… I don’t think that should have been played during the sentencing!
I think if an appeals courts hears that audio where Hope clearly states she did not understand what her lawyer did, she should get a new trial.
While the judge does not have to sentence anybody to YO, Larue’s statement makes it appear that that was the only reason he did not sentence her as a YO. If that is the case and he was wrong in his interpretation of the YO criteria, then Larue should re-sentence her as a YO, imo.
And just because somebody sits on the bench does not mean they do not error. Appeals are won all the time because of errors by judges.
I served 4 years and if I knew what I know now it would have been a career. I am a Marine. I say I am because once a Marine always a Marine. Viet Nam was tough and with the citizen attitude it made me question what the war was really about and now it is happening again in our country.
WhyLie said,
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I agree with your post. IMO her attorney failed at her job. Hope is an immature 19 year old who didn’t even know what her plea meant. I think the attorney should have tried to get the charge reduced to possession and fight for the YO program. My opinion is she was court appointed and didn’t want to invest the time it would take to work on the case. I hope Hope’s appeal goes through and she has a reduced sentence that will provide opportunity for her to get an education and counseling.
Whylie,
I haven’t read much if anything that you have been wrong about but I believe you are wrong vs. Judge larue.
Taco, I TOTALLY agree that our Vietnam vets were done a grave injustice!!! I thank you for your service and apologize for the citizens that wronged you and all military men who served their country and were treated disrespectfully for doing so.
I agree about with the errors made by judges. Like SO getting off or a 30 day sentence. Hope maybe should have gotten the offender program then if she did not cut it gone to prison for a few years. IMO
The conv with her Mama should have been just that talk with family. IMO
My son is not disrespectful but we talk men talk on the phone that would put his Mama in a coma. IMO
I saw up the page that you have to do that IMO stuff as not to piss in anyone’s cereal.
Treece- I think there should be a Reform School. not in the old sense, but a Dormitory Type Setting geared to the ability of the offenders.If they choose not to participate they can go to Youthful offender program or be tried as an adult!
WhyLie said,in July 12th, 2010 at 11:26 pm I think if an appeals courts hears that audio where Hope clearly states she did not understand what her lawyer did, she should get a new trial.
While the judge does not have to sentence anybody to YO, Larue’s statement makes it appear that that was the only reason he did not sentence her as a YO. If that is the case and he was wrong in his interpretation of the YO criteria, then Larue should re-sentence her as a YO, imo.
And just because somebody sits on the bench does not mean they do not error. Appeals are won all the time because of errors by judges.
Great point
Alex, that could be a good option, too.
I live in FL but am in Mexico this week on vacation and bored stiff (in my dreams) but I decided to check on my neighbors. Was hoping to find some new news. I guess all news is new or it wouldn’t be news IMO.
Ba.
Freedom of speech, yes, but words have meanings.
And, not to your point, but freedom of speech aint free and people like hope don’t help keep it that way. Imo
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Taco,
Thank u for your service. Its much appreaciated by me and tons of others.
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Treece,
I wasn’t offended by your post at all. Please , don’t thinl that.
I am offended bu people who CLAIM service that really haven’t. I’d be willing to smack them in the mouth rather than a real soldier, marine, air force, national guard or coast guard member having to do it and paying a fine or doing 3 days for a battery of another. I got the money and the time to pay for it. They’ve done much more for me and will do more.
Hi BACent. I hope her sentence is overturned, too.
Taco- I think everything we say here should be considered our opinions and no need to say imo, we have so little facts the if we are stating one we can say it’s a fact!
PS Thank you for your service in Vietnam, my husband also served there!
Taco said,in July 12th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
Semper Fi Taco, My granddaughter is a Marine. She is in intel and will be deployed in Sept.
My youngest granddaughter has enlisted for delayed entry in the Marines
I am both very proud and very worried
Jaba, yes words have meaning, but she was in a convo with her mama! She could have screamed to high heaven regarding her fate, and in my opinion that rant should not have been played or at least shouldn’t have influenced the sentencing.
Hello Ms. Treece!!
jaba, just going by what the Florida Statute says. Not saying I might not be wrong but according to what the Statute says, Larue is wrong, imo.
Alex @11:42
I agree to the IMO… normally I don’t use that, or I rarely do… in any case I usually assume that it is someone’s opinion!
Jaba, didn’t you say your dad served in Vietnam?
** forgot to say, that some here believe it’s necessary to ID your thought/theory as IMO!
Treece,
My dad crossed omaha beach on dday plus one at about 1 am. He got a face full of shrapnel 22 days afterward. Got the purple heart for that. 9 dayss after that he rejoined 2nd div 9th infantry 3rd battalion, m comapny-heavy weapons- and fought on. He proceeded from there where he sat in a self dug bunker at the battle of the bulge waiting in sub freezing temps without a change of clothes or socks waiting on a mortar to fall in the hole bewteen battles. He wa4 on active duty in korea during korea and in panama during viet nam. He didn’t fight in those two wars.
He earned the bronze star and distinguished unit citation for the battle of the bulge.
He’s a baddass. Not so much physiacally now, but he has me as is yuck monkey. No one, disrespects him or my mom, period. I know that’s tough talk behind a keyboard but I’m willing to debate that face to face with anyone at anytime and will welcome the opportunity.
My dad joined the army at 16 yrs and 3 months in april of 42 because he, as he says, ‘should have’.
He will and never has looked for thanks as most don’t, but I am a staunch supporter of an military person and will be until I die.
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Bakc to you..
Jaba… not male bravado… it’s something very important & cool to be proud of!!!
Hi Guy’s,Just though I’d check in!
Adams,ITA because always when I posted someone asked for a source if I didn’t add the imo,or jmo then their opinion was I should post it as opinion if there was no source,lol…….Beats me,lol!
Taco said ‘once a marine always a marine’ which is true and that’s the way marines say it and look at it and should be respected for it.
When I see someone say ex-marine, it makes me wonder if they are telling the truth.
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My dads mom signed a waiver saying he was 17 at the time of his entry because she knew how strongly he felt about it. He was 5’11” and 152 lbs at the time. I have a pic of him at basic at camp roberts in cali with his rifle. The rifle looked as ‘thick’ and ‘tall’ as he was. 🙂
Jaba, I am a grateful American that appreciates your dad and all others that serve our country!!!!
Hey CathyJo!!! Good to see you!!!!
Oh Hey Treece,dunno how I missed ya,lol
I guess the blog ain’t poppin with all my posts,LoL
Cuts down on the refresh,lol
Treece,I have 6 bothers who were in the army,and one the Navy!
No, the blog has been slow, you have been missed!!! How is your dtr, is the baby here yet???
No Treece,sittin on pins and needles waiting!
Thank You Treece,I’ve been lurking on and off!!
I know you are excited for the little fella to get here!!!!! Will be any day now!!!!
I’d be happy to wake up tomorrow and see the news Haleigh was found or somebody atleast told the truth!
My daughter is too Treece,She’s big,hot and miserable,She wasn’t as big with Dakota and he weighed almost 10 lbs! She is huge!
Ok, this is the last of my war stories by proxy.
I have a pic of my dad holding two pearl handled pistols like patton carried. He’s in the snow at the battle of the bulge during some sown time.
He’s holding them outward likes he’s al capone or something and he’s smiling. He also missing his two front teeth. I got this pic out of a box during a time at home during college.
I asked him how he lost them and he told me a good buddy of his knocked them out during a fight.
So you lost, I said, no, not really, he replied, we were drunk and I must have said something he really didn’t like and the fight was on. (Maybe that’s where I get my big mouth) anywho, as they are scrapping with each other an officer ordered the men watching to break it up and ordered my dad and his ‘fightin’ buddy’ to find his teeth. 🙂
They couldn’t after about 30 minutes of two drunks searching and laughing. This guy apologizes and my dad said ‘don’t worry about it. I aint shootin with my teeth and next time I’m knockin’ yours out so we’ll be even’ and went back to get another beer as the other guys cheered them and laughed.
There are no purple hearts in a combat zone for knocked out teeth from your fellow soldier. 🙂
The army gave him a bridge of teeth when he returned after the war. He said the dentist laughed his ass off at the story.
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Ok, now back to something important to these awful cases we have in front of us.
I’ll see you guys later,going to nappers house!
Gnite!!
Jaba, funny story!! Glad he could laugh about it!!!
Goodnight all!!! I am too tired!!!
Ba, 11:45
I think she was sentenced to a min/man. The judge didn’t have any discretion in the matter as far as the trafficking charge but when considering the yo program and its part about being led or influenced by others, I think it showed her mindset as not standing for anyone being able to tell her what to do. She was hope sykes, and she was in control of herself and her actions and wasn’t being led by anyone. Imo anyway.
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Barb,
I know you will worry and they know you will worry and the marines know that. They will be trained by the best military in the world from the best country in the world. There’s a reason only terrorists who sneak around hurt our citizens on our soil. They don’t have the guts, equipment nor desire to come here. We will eliminate them by the thousands should they want to ‘boat’ on over for a fight.
I’m proud of them and I don’t even know them. You have a stand up family, for sure. 🙂
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Whylie,
I hear ya’ and respect your thoughts. We’ll see how it goes for her. I’m sure we will both be here when it happens.
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Cj,
Major props to your siblings for their service!!
Whylie at 11:26
I agree appeals are granted and things turned over all the time in this country but the percentage is very small compared to cases adjudicated. And especially small when the defendant pleads nolo or guilty.
robin said,in July 12th, 2010 at 5:21 pm Werter needs to be fired IMO. If you notice, LE never denied the accusations but just said they would not question Tommy again without notifying his attorney. This is NO rookie mistake they made. LE knew exactly what they were doing and WHO they were doing it to. Werter has NOT worked for Tommy’s best interests, only his. I would also like to know what agreement they reached. I guess we will have to see when Tommy goes to court. I do not like Tommy, but his rights have been violated by LE and his attorney. I believe Tommy’s accusations and his best bet is to find a lawyer that works FOR HIM instead of AGAINST HIM. JMO
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absoutely…this shyster mouthpiece ranks right up there whith Hope’s lawyer who fed her to the wolves….stupid cow plead her GUILTY as charged!…the POS! I woundn’t hire her dumb traitorious a$$ to fight a parking ticket.
Treece,
He’s full of them 🙂
Good night, mam.
What are you doing to help besides name calling?
And btw, never gota response on your service to our country. But I’m sure you know that.
Hope plead no contest, just so we are correct in our spew.
She didn’t want to contest the charges nor admit guilt. To me, that’s consistent with hopes shown state of mind.
She did say she made a mistake to the judge though, her words. What did she mean? That she did what she was chargee with or that she made a mistake on the color of lipstick she always wore? Do you know?
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Can I please make a suggestion without adding to the fuss?
Simon and Jan have both been sick. They were sick at the show yesterday. Can we please stop fussing so this doesn’t get out of hand and cause them grief. The last thing Jan needs right now is to have to monitor us 20 hours a day. Seriously I don’t see why you need to prove anything to each other. Thanks for considering what I am saying here. I am sure you both respect Jan so let’s move on for her.
OJ I agree with you that Tommy’s lawyer seems to be in this for himself just as Hope’s was. I think Hope’s lawyer should be in trouble for the way she handled the case.
OJ please, let it go. You are risking getting banned and it is not worth it. Come on let’s talk about something else.
Jaba please let it go. This is so disrespectful to Simon and Jan.
OJ It takes a bigger man to walk away than to fight over nonsense. Hope you will choose to be bigger. I am going to bed, hope to see you tomorrow. Good night.
Andy,
U r right, sir.
I’ll let it go. I see what I’m dealin with. A name caller with no substantive words other than calling people names. If he’s a liar, it shouldn’t matter to me.
Its hard to miss two posts of the same spew everyday mixed with made up stories that makes one feel like a rooster in the hen house. I see his points and fully understand where he comes from.
Ok, dude, I’m giving u the last word out of sympathy. Go ahead and take it. Make it worth your while. Just remember I didn’t name call or bash first but I’m too stubborn and dedicated to my family to not respond at all to your rants.
Buh-bye. 🙂
Taco said,in July 12th, 2010 at 11:33 pm You said, “I saw up the page that you have to do that IMO stuff as not to piss in anyone’s cereal.
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Welcome, Taco. Where did you see that?
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And cent @ July 12th, 2010 at 11:50 pm, You said,
“** forgot to say, that some here believe it’s necessary to ID your thought/theory as IMO!”
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I’m sorry, cent and Taco, but I don’t see where anyone said that. Or maybe it’s just your opinion that someone said that? Please clarify. TIA
About the Caylee Anthony case: Today and tomorrow the defense’s experts will be inspecting the evidence. Wonder if Judge Perry will be getting any emergency calls today? lol!
I don’t remember some of the experts’ named in the article as being mentioned by Bozo when he was getting Judge Perry’s approval for JAC funds. I wonder what bozo’s up to now?
See orlandosentinel.com
Article title – “Caylee Anthony Case – Dream Team of Experts Heading to Orlando to Inspect Evidence”
I wonder where Baez is getting the money to fly all these witnesses in?
Hi, Granny! I wonder, too. What I suspect is that they’re “volunteering” maybe for the publicity.
If they are not on the defense’s witness list they may not be going to testify. If that’s the case, then maybe they’ll feed their observations to whoever the expert is in their field who IS going to testify. In short, maybe Bozo is shopping for any ideas in how to argue the forensic evidence.
For example, one of the experts (unheard of before) is a trace evidence expert. But Judge Perry said Henwee Lee was to be the trace evidence expert. So maybe the new guy will feed ideas to Lee. I don’t know but it’s typical lie, cheat, subterfuge tactics – the stuff Bozo is good at.
Donna’s lawyer was able to get her a deal, reduced charges from a min/man 25 to a min/man 15. Donna is a middle aged woman who went out of state, procured a large amount of drugs, brought those drugs across several state lines into Florida, where she proceeded to sell them for her own profit.
Donna Brock is a drug trafficker by everything that I, as a Floridian, use to define a drug trafficker. And yet she was able to get a “deal” with the SA. Why didn’t that SA, same SA by the way, make a deal with a 19 year old drug addict who participated in a “middle-man” drug sale scenario.
The drugs sold were not Hope’s. She did not go out of state, get drugs, bring them back to Florida and sell them, as Donna did. She was merely along for the ride, probably in the hope of getting a pill for herself. And yet NO DEAL for Hope.
Sorry, in my book that is not fairness in the courts. That SA showed prejudice and Hope’s attorney did a lousy job by not getting Hope a deal.
I doubt Baez will want to use Lee as an expert with his recent track record. Bozo is grasping at straws at this point.
The hearing should be interesting Thursday. I wonder if they are going to sedate Cindy to keep her from blowing up?
whoops! Why did that post three ties?
Is donna going to testify against ron and/or misty for her deal? Do we know?
jaba, I believe it said in one of the articles she was. I hope Donna takes the stand against Misty, that will leave the door open for Fields to let the jury know just what type of person Donna really is.
Cricket said,in July 12th, 2010 at 3:37 pm texas mom 39 said,in July 12th, 2010 at 10:01 am I don’t know… It all smells fishy and makes LE look incompetent and SKB a fool if we are to believe the River Search BS and the speculated IMO reasons that provoked it and who provided credibility to that site being connected to the crime of Haleigh’s abduction and now homicide.
Didn’t you chat with a lady on this forum one day saying she was SB. wife,also that you new who she was., now he has some form of Cancer.
also she stated that he did all the work on the Haleigh case by himself.???
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Morning Cricket, No I don’t know her or anyone connected to the case. I did chat with her and yes she stated that SKB is not working for CS and he is fighting cancer at the moment. I do not remember the statement that he worked alone.
I encourage all to dig a little into SKB profesional background and expertise. IMO he is a very sharp tool.
If SKB was working for CS and had a personal and professional relationship with Werter prior I have to ask is it a conflict of intrest to represent their clients and then collaberate (If I am not mistaken SKB was no longer working for CS at this time) on a story before presenting information to LE?
Would it be possible that SKB and Werter where working together from the very begining of SKB involvement? Is it against the law to get in the trenches (any way possible) to get the information that has been unattainable since day one?
And did donna have a previous record that we know of?
jaba, I don’t know. Not all state records are as open or as easy to find as Florida’s are.
Granny @ 8:51 –
Bozo listed Henry Lee for approval by Judge Perry for JAC payment. I think it was in May of this year. And Bozo mentioned him again at the last hearing. And he even mentioned the Specter trial – where Lee was caught taking evidence and reported by one of the defense attornies he was working for! So unless there’s a last minute switch (which wouldn’t surprise me) everything Bozo has done and said indicates Lee is one of his expert witnesses. Unbelievable, isn’t it?
And yes, I think Sindee better double her usual dosage of tranqs (or whatever) before taking the stand. Although the “bad” side of me really hopes she’ll behave the same way she did at ZFG’s deposition! LOL! Judge Perry would have the bailiffs haul her away in cuffs!
Well if nothing else it got Tommys sentencing date moved from the 6th of July to the 6th of August. Pretty sneaky huh? jmo
TM39 – You asked, “Would it be possible that SKB and Werter where working together from the very begining of SKB involvement?”
SKB said in his first interview that he had been hired by CS (originally). So I can’t imagine Werter being involved at that point – at least ethically. But I am afraid that Werter’s been involved in cooking up something and I’m not sure who’s side he’s on. His client’s? His own? Someone else’s?
Ty whylie.
I wonder if this is the same as ron will get and will they offer misty a 15 year deal instead of 25. I really don’t see any of them getting consecutive sentences.
Ron is up on monday. I wonder if will see a plea or a trial. Hmmmm…interesting. Monday will be a big day here one way or another.
WhyLie said,in July 13th, 2010 at 8:48 am Donna’s lawyer was able to get her a deal, reduced charges from a min/man 25 to a min/man 15. Donna is a middle aged woman who went out of state, procured a large amount of drugs, brought those drugs across several state lines into Florida, where she proceeded to sell them for her own profit.
Donna Brock is a drug trafficker by everything that I, as a Floridian, use to define a drug trafficker. And yet she was able to get a “deal” with the SA. Why didn’t that SA, same SA by the way, make a deal with a 19 year old drug addict who participated in a “middle-man” drug sale scenario.
The drugs sold were not Hope’s. She did not go out of state, get drugs, bring them back to Florida and sell them, as Donna did. She was merely along for the ride, probably in the hope of getting a pill for herself. And yet NO DEAL for Hope.
Sorry, in my book that is not fairness in the courts. That SA showed prejudice and Hope’s attorney did a lousy job by not getting Hope a deal.
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Morning… IMO Hope is 19 with previous charges and a nasty attitude. Donna has no priors and probably has handled herself in mature manner considering her age. I also would like to point out the difference in comprehension abilities that I am sure that did and will continue to come into play in these two women’s cases. I agree Donna is a drug trafficker and deserves the sentencing she will recieve.
Donna is being tried in ST.Johns county different DA than Hope, she was tried in Putnam county. Also different judge than Hopes. jmo
Thnk you, Maria G @ 9:24am. Please read my post. The actual words. Please refer to the different definitions of words like “have to” and “suggestion”
– things like that help you understand the meaning.
It did NOT say: “I saw up the page that you have to do that IMO stuff as not to piss in anyone’s cereal.” (Taco July 12th, 2010 at 11:33 pm)
It also did not indicate that I am someone who “believes it’s necessary to ID your thought/theory as IMO!” (And cent @ July 12th, 2010 at 11:50 pm)
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Please also consider the intent of my comment which was to help people understand each other better. I understood what Coop meant but someone else didn’t.
Now consider the intent of the two other comments. Helpful? Not in my opinion.
Tommys lawyer isnt too dumb since he got a court date changed from July 6 (sentencing)to August 6. Maybe it will work out in Tommys favor? jmo
M2C IMO they all appear to be cooking something up! LOL
IMO cobra went into the swamps and was forced legally out of the County by none other than KP and friends higher up on the food chain… TM was and blatantly ignored and criticized by the Sheffield’s until his meeting them in Houston, but, that meeting did not expand beyond that. Werter is a smart attorney and his prior relationship with SKB is very interesting in the grand scheme of things and the fact that they both admit a collaboration’s prior to meeting with LE.
Hope:
Prosecutor Jacquelyn Roys requested the minimum mandatory sentence and said Sykes was an active participant in the drug sale.
Donna:
Judge
BERGER, WENDY W
Plaintiff Attorneys
STATE OF FLORIDA ROYS, JACQUELYN
Defendant Attorneys
BROCK, DONNA MICHELLE HINES, MICHAEL P
This is Florida, same Circuit, same SA.
One more question and then I have to run. If SKB was working this case for 10 months why did it take a coversation with Tommy to solve the case? I do not believe we ever heard about SKB interviewing any of the known players behind bars before the search at the river took place?
I know that many have gone over every jail tape that have been released of Tommy and Misty, has their ever been a mention of either of them talking to anyone unnamed or working with a unnamed individual?
Why lie, Could be Donna has something she knows in the case to plea with. She is going to testify if Misty or Ron go to trial. More than likely Hope didnt have info or wouldnt testify against anyone. jmo
I have to admit, when I heard that SKB was working as a PI for CS, I did wonder who was paying him. As far as I know, CS has no form of income. I can understand Werter working pro bono since, as a lawyer, he probably has the resources and will gain notoriety from this case. But I am not sure that this same situation applies with SKB. (Although he was awfully excited to be in the spotlight, claiming that he solved the case!)
The relationship between SKB and Werter always seemed very fishy to me. IMO.
I think it is fishy too, a huge conflict of interest, and very unprofessional. (only in PC would this fly) IMO
The big question is who was SKB working for after CS let him go? Was he investigating on his own or did he have a new client? jmo
I have a question. If someone agrees to testify for the prosecution and they also have a case in which they might receive some benefit for this testimony, is there any hard & fast rule about the sequence? I.e., if A is on trial for a drug arrest and B is on trial for, let’s just say some other arrest, for A to get a plea for a better sentence does A have to testify at B’s trial first before A gets the plea? Or can A get the plea and then testify against B at a later date?
I may have answered my own question as I think this through. I would guess that there has to be lots of flexibility because a more serious crime would likely take a lot longer to get to trial than a lessor crime. If the person testifying had a smaller crime then it wouldn’t be fair to make them wait until after they testified to give them a plea. That wouldn’t be much of a plea!
But I really don’t know so I’d like other opinions on this.
Tobias, I agree. It would be interesting to know. Hopefully, LE does.
Donna has her deal its all in writing, all she has to do is the formalities of sentencing. She accepted the 15 years for testifying if there is a trail with Misty or Ron. If they plea out she still gets only 15 years. jmo
July 19 should be interesting will Ron take it to trial? Shoemaker said at one time he thought a deal would be better, but since there was no agreement will he be ready to go to a jury??? jmo
Tobias, do we know for sure if there is a deal or not, or have they all been keeping quiet about this?
July 20 next date for Lindsy and Tommys divorce. Should be an interesting week.jmo
Why would they be quiet about a deal with Ron?
His last chance plea is on Monday. If there was a deal made his docket would show it, I believe the deal was for 25 since Ron told Hope that when they rode in the car back to PCSD and I dont think he took it.jmo
I believe the DA offered 25 years to Ron and Shoemaker was negotiating for 15. It evidently didnt go well since Shoemaker hasnt made it known that Ron is getting a deal.jmo
shaking my head.Something is terribly wrong in that part of FL..
Murder charge dropped in deal
By Kristin Chambers
Published: Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:45 AM EDT
The state has dropped murder charges against a Palatka man accused in a 2008 fatal shooting in exchange for his testimony against a co-defendant.
Charles Coring III, 26, pleaded no contest Friday to a remaining burglary charge and will be sentenced to five years probation on Monday. He was scheduled to go to trial in Flagler County next week for first-degree murder and faced a lifetime in prison.
“It is pursuant to a plea agreement,” State Attorney’s spokesman Chris Kelly said Friday.
Coring and two others are accused of shooting 65-year-old Cecil Mills on Oct. 27, 2008, in his daughter’s front yard near County Road 308B in an area of rural homes between Welaka and Pomona Park.
Investigators said it appeared Mills interrupted a burglary before his daughter discovered his bloodied body.
Mills was shot five times.
Part of the deal is that Coring must testify against Lamont Antonio Riley, 26, who is the last of the three men that face charges in the case.
Johnny Lutrell Jones, 26, is serving a life sentence for the shooting after a jury found him guilty of first-degree murder in late February.
Kelly said each case was different.
“Even though it may relate to the same offense, each defendant’s participation in that is different, so each defendant must be addressed specifically on the facts of their case,” Kelly said.
Kelly declined Friday to discuss details of the plea agreement, however, he said more information may be available after Coring’s sentencing, which is scheduled for 1 p.m. Monday in Palatka.
If Coring does not comply with the agreement, he will receive up to 15 years in prison. Otherwise, he will be released from the Putnam County Jail following the hearing on Monday.
Circuit Judge Edward Hedstrom presided over Friday’s session at the Putnam County Courthouse, which lasted about 20 minutes.
Coring quietly answered “yes sir” when Hedstrom asked him if he understood the terms of the plea agreement.
Peyton Quarles, Coring’s defense attorney, said his client will testify that Jones and Riley shot and killed Mills with handguns that the three men stole from a seperate residence the morning of the murder.
Also during Friday’s hearing, Assistant State Attorney Jackie Roys said he expected that Coring would have to testify in a preliminary hearing against Riley before the murder trial begins.
No members of the Mills family were present at Friday’s pre-trial hearing.
kchambers@palatkadailynews.com
http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/07/10/news/news01.txt
tobias said,in July 13th, 2010 at 11:05 am Why would they be quiet about a deal with Ron?
It seems to me that if a deal was made with Ron, that it would not be about the drug arrests. I think it would be information that would strengthen the case involving Haleigh. E.g., things either Misty or Tommy said or did in regard to Haleigh, that Ron knows about and would testify to. They may have all agreed to keep quiet about a deal until his court date.
But, who knows with this case. 25 years would make sense in light of his involvement compared to Hope’s & Donna’s.
Goodafternoon everyone. Just checking in to see if there has been anything new? I am anxious to see if anything comes out of these hearing coming up. Praying for Haleigh
Good to see you Aligoo and Tobias.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24242370/detail.html
Good Morning/Afternoon Everyone depending on where you are!
Jaba, I contacted an attorney today and because Tommy plead rather then going to trial a conviction will be harder to overturn, however if it is based on pressure by LE or ineffective assistance of Counsel then it’s a different story. Still have to wait until the sentencing and it can be appealed if the time he is sentenced to is not commensurate with the charges. I don’t think Tommy should go free but if he was promised 3 years then that’s what he should get and if Werter is a good attorney he should have got it in writing.
Judge Rules Against Croslin’s Motion
Croslin Claimed Detectives Threatened Him
POSTED: Tuesday, July 13, 2010
UPDATED: 12:44 pm EDT July 13, 2010
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PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — A Putnam County judge has ruled against Hank Croslin Jr., who claimed detectives threatened him and treated him poorly in jail.
Croslin is the brother of Misty Cummings, the last person known to have seen 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings before she disappeared last year.
Croslin’s motion claimed detectives threatened to charge him with Haleigh’s murder if he didn’t cooperate. As a result, he wanted to be moved out of the Putnam County Jail.
But the judge dismissed the motion, saying Croslin is not being harassed by detectives and they have every right to question him about Haleigh’s disappearance.
Croslin is set to be sentenced on drug charges Aug. 2.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/24242370/detail.html
Interesting, Vaquera. Thanks! This tends to support the view that Werter was just blowing smoke to raise sympathy for his client.
Seems we got bad info in the beginning saying LE promised not to talk with Tommy without Weter being the reason the hearing was canceled. Seems a judge ruled against Tommy.jmo
Good Afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen,
Any news today?
I flip-flop between Ron and Tommy. I was on Tommy’s azzz yesterday. I have for the past few weeks read and re-read articles in this
case. Tommy, (IMO just to be sure that’s understood)was noted for lurking around that neighborhood. He took his son to the bus stop
strung out on dope and then passed out. Tommy’s
worried about nobody’s happiness but Tommy’s. Misty, had indicated that she had been sexual
abused by Tommy. Why would Misty make-up that
Tommy had done something like that to her. Do
you guys remember the tape that Tommy is talking to one of his parents and he says MAN
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET MY SISTER SOME COMMISARY
MONEY. I think he was just looking for an opportunity to molest this kid. There was no forced entry someone had to be well versed on the dynamics of that household, they need to know the area, Tommy placed himself at the trailer. Tommy had hours before Lindsy got home
and hours after Lindsy went to sleep to take
care of this. If Tommy had had no pills all day
was ill from withdrawals he would have went to
Ron’s to look for some as soon as the coast was clear. I think he is a sicko and used this
opportunity to abduct and molest this baby.
Tommy is the guy and he ain’t coming clean….
Misty was crashed from a drug binge…..don’t remember a lot at all from that night or she wasn’t home at all and Tommy took an opportunity to abduct the kid. I am just a little cloudy on where Misty was. Ron,just getting Misty back again was just wooing her
when he stopped and got her smokes. He probably thinks he is soooo sweet that she had just fed those babies like Granny said and went to bed. Ron does not precieve himself the way we do. Ron sees himself as a Palatka Rock Star. Ron,is stupid stupid… but I tell you that Mzzzzzz Nancy stuff is done by a lot of folks here in the south. I think it’s to show respect. I wasn’t raised here so I am not for sure but a lot of folks call me and my husband
by Mr and Mrs and our first name rather than
our last. I think that just part of the southern country culture.
Don’t have time to re-read so just going to post and hope it makes sense.
Thank goodness somebody set Tommy down. He tries to keep the attention off Haleigh. IMO
He’s the guy……….
You could be right, coop. It seems to point that way at present. But this case has so many twists & turns and so many unsavory characters that I wouldn’t be surprised to see some new “bombshells” yet to come. Let’s all hope and pray that LE is able to get through the muck and to the bottom of this case.
coop- Coey got into the Lunsford MH & no signs of forced entry so I don’t think it’s necessary to know the layout in order to get in.
vaquera- I think the judge ruled that way because Werter had said he was not Tommy’s lawyer for the Haleigh case. So he (Werter) was not entitled to be notified, however once Tommy asked for an attorney LE should have stopped questioning him because he still has civil rights!
I think Tommy is being harrassed more by the inmates with words than anything else. Tommy put himself in that mess with his lies about Joe. The inmates probably think he is guilty of something involving that story.jmo
I heard PCSD doesnt have air conditioning , just fans. Is that true? Anyone from the area know?jmo
If its true it sure is going to be pretty hot until August gets here.phewwwww, the BO must be bad in there now.mo
Guys, I know what you mean that even as shady as Tommy looks it could have been any SO in the area. ( I know LE cleared all the SO in area)but who says they were registered. They just may have not been caught yet.
At first I really thought it was an accident that had went wrong and one covered for the area it has gone on way too long and they have been way to hard on them for one of them not to
have squealled like a pig by now.
Exactly what is Ron going to attest to against Misty or Tommy. If it the drugs do we really care if they let Misty or Tommy out if that’s all they are guilty of.
I am too old to do my occupation so How do I
get sent to one of these state places to get retrained and be promised 3 hots and a cot.
I don’t want to get strung out, rob or hurt anyone. I can’t afford to re-educate myself because disposal income has to go to taxes to support Tommy Croslin to do this. That is some
Bull Crap….
I have never been and in jail and don’t know of
anyone that has had much more than a DUI so
do inmates realy harress other inmates.
coop- you could tag a police station! make up your own gang signs and use flourescent colored spray paint!
coop- I’ve been thinking about doing it so I can get a all expense paid vacation!
Didnt you listen to the very first tapes of Ron and Tommy? You can hear all the other inmates yelling at them. jmo
tobias- Tommy seemed to have made friends at St. Johns, thats why I think he wanted to stay there.
LOL With your luck they would taz ya and then make ya clean off the paint and send ya home.jmo
Alex, I think so too. I dont think he is welcome at PCSD after the Joe story and all the other lies he has told. jmo
Loring you are right a little spray wouldn’t hurt anything. I think they have a process or
product that even removes that stuff so I wouldn’t do any long term damage. I would scared to teeth if I got arrested. How does anyone forget if they have been arrested. It seems that would be a devasting experience.
These people act like getting arrested and going to jail for 3 years is no big deal.
Can you imagine 15years at Hopes age. I know she was street wise beyond her years but what would be the anwser to a girl in Hope’s place.
Who would employee Hope if she were released today. Let me guess her mom’s Tree Removal Business or the local strip bar. What is the anwser for young women like Hope and Misty.
tobias- here in CA, someone did that, not gang signs but a mural & got 6 months & had to pay for the clean up! I figure coop and I could do it simultaneously in our respected
oops didn’t finish…. cities and see who gets the better deal!
tobias-ita
coop- if Misty could be sentenced as a youthful offender, I wouldn’t mind her coming out here and getting into a Nursing Program , we are so short here in that field many of the nurses hired are from other countries! Two problems arise from this especially with the elderly, one is communication is difficult and secondly
the way care is given is quite different depending on the Country the nurse is from.
Alex, I will hold back on feeling any sympathy until I know what happened to Haleigh. If Misty is totally innocent of anything in that case it will be a miracle. She needs alot of help, and not just for the drugs, she has many issues.jmo
Loring not for sure if I want Misty as a nurse
or not. She couldn’t keep up with Haleigh, I know she couldn’t keep up with my mom shewwww… and also being around drugs is going to hurt Misty in the Health Care Industry. I just don’t know what is right for Misty from a social aspect. She needs to be taught to read and write first. I am surprised Misty wasn’t abducted I would think that being around her parents and grandparents accociates
it was probably a near miss
Tobias why would it be better to delay Tommy’s
date by a month. I know nothing about the legal system so why would this be stragtic
Tobias, I think we are all on the same page went it comes to re-hab for Misty. If she is
not guilty of having anything to do with Haleigh where will she go. Her drug bust is
kind of bogus if what she said about LE approaching her about buying drugs for them is true. She was so emotional and sobbing that day
I was feeling so sorry for here. Then I watched
one of the other videos when she first got those rows and she was doing the neck thing
and acting all gangster herself. You have to feel sorry for her if she is not guilty. Where
was she going to live if not with older men. Her parents bounced her around like a rubber ball. Misty would be homeless today if they
turned her out.
Tobias, I would rather them give me 6 months for spraying paint than taser me. I had a nerve
conductive study which I think feels the same.
That hurt for a year later. I would rather pull
six months than have anything put to me that feels like a shock. I am a crybaby when it comes to that stuff
I want another education I don’t won’t any of that tasering
tobias – I know and if she had or knows andhas not said anything about what happened to Haleigh then her having consecutive sentences of 25 years will not give me any sleepless nights.
Mom has to go in for testing on Friday, so please forgive me if I leave in the middle of a conversation, but her medical team members are coming and going from today through Friday.
Loring, you certainly have my prayers dealing with aging parents. I sure wish mine would give up some of that independence and come and live with one of us. She could keep her home just like it is. She won’t budge..She lives really frugal and that is not a requirment. She
grew up in the depression and saves or re-uses
everything. Her wish came true she finally become old enough to annoy her children. She has money and it would be affordable for any of us to help her but she is having no part of that or spending any money that is not needed
Well guys break time over and everybody is quiet
I will stop back in later.
vaquera said,
in July 13th, 2010 at 12:31 pm Judge Rules Against Croslin’s Motion
Croslin Claimed Detectives Threatened Him
POSTED: Tuesday, July 13, 2010
UPDATED: 12:44 pm EDT July 13, 2010
Croslin is set to be sentenced on drug charges Aug. 2.
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Vaquera
According to his docket Tommys sentencing hearing is scheduled for August 6th not the 2nd. Was this from the Jaxs4 article? Wonder why outlets are reporting a date of the 2nd.
Everyone is feeling sorry for Hope and why? She had just been charged and released on bail for drugs just 2 weeks before she got into trouble.
The girl just doesnt learn, she should have learned from that mistake and stayed out of trouble. jmo
Alex, 12:36
read your post. Just wanted you to know I did see it. 🙂
coop- my mom sounds much like yours. She grew up in the depression in New York City. In 2001 she had gone in for testing and had a September 12th appointment with her doctor! However September 11th changed all that as her doctor’s office was downtown and no one was being allowed into that area. She still had her round the clock caregivers, one came on ay 7am as the other left! The one that came on at 7am called the agency at 9am to tell them that she had arrived at 7am and found my mom lying on the floor bleeding with a head wound to the back of the head and the other worker was not there when she arrived. She was asked what hospital my mom was taken to and she told the agency that my mom was still on the floor because she was waiting for the agency to find out what to do. 911 was then called! The other worker said she was there until a little after 7am and couldn’t wait any longer for her relief worker to show up. Covering their a$$ in my opinion APS was called and mom was deemed unable to care for herself. She was given the choice of moving with one of her daughters or being put in a nursing home. She choose me. From what I understand of the investigation, both caregivers were fired and banned from working with the elderly in New York. Mom had been struck from behind hit as she fell she hit the her forehead on the coffee table. She was unable to say who did this to her. Missing from the apt was her jewelry and you are going to find this hard to believe but all the food in her freezer was gone!At any rate she thought that once she got here, she would lay low for a few weeks and then go back to New York. I told her if she wanted to she would have to do it on her own. She was unable to accomplish it and so now nearly 9 years later she’s still here, still wants to go back but is unable to make the arrangements on her own. She did call 911 once and asked them if they could drive her home! When she found out they couldn’t but could find a nursing home for her she decided she rather stay here. So I am one step above a Nursing Home!
Dylan said,
in July 13th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
vaquera said,
in July 13th, 2010 at 12:31 pm Judge Rules Against Croslin’s Motion
Croslin Claimed Detectives Threatened Him
POSTED: Tuesday, July 13, 2010
UPDATED: 12:44 pm EDT July 13, 2010
Croslin is set to be sentenced on drug charges Aug. 2.
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Vaquera
According to his docket Tommys sentencing hearing is scheduled for August 6th not the 2nd. Was this from the Jaxs4 article? Wonder why outlets are reporting a date of the 2nd.
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I have no doubt the press is wrong. 😀 Reporters don’t seem to fact check anything anymore.
So tommy embellished and/or lied. Why doesn’t that surprise me?
Jaba, I think he hoped they would take him back to St. Johns where he has friends. I doubt if he has any in PCSD, actually he probably has enemies there. Like Ron.jmo
vaquera said,in July 13th, 2010 at 4:23 pm Dylan said,
in July 13th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
I have no doubt the press is wrong. Reporters don’t seem to fact check anything anymore.
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So very true. According to jail booking details, Aug 2nd is Tommys birthday lol.
No one needs to be nasty, either, cent.
But IF you were referring to my comment you completely misreprented it which I don’t appreciate and which you obviously did with the intention of insulting and hurting me. And on top of that you’ve now angrily attacked me.
There must be some issue about using imo that I am not aware of. And some very hard feelings you have against me which I also don’t understand. But since you don’t seem to understand what I write or how it’s intended, well, please skip my posts from now on. I can assure you that none will relate to you and hope you will have the courtesy to return the favor.
Did anyone see the statement by Capt. Bruce McCain of Multnomah County Sheriff Office in the Kyron Horman Case?
According to CBS NEWS’ The Early Show:
“Even if authorithies suspect but can’t prove Terri Horman was involved in Kyron’s disappearance, the next best thing is to arrest and charge her with a separate, unrelated crime.”
Sound familiar??????
I think its really strange that we were all talking about Rob Middleton and BOOM there he is in jail. Kinda like KARMA????? Could he be questioned while he is in jail to see if he knows anything?? jmo
M2C, I do skip over your posts, as long as none of my comments are mentioned in them.
Kelly, yes I know where it was kicked off at, my 2 comments below were regarding a response/comment between/from Taco/Alex
in July 12th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Alex @11:42
I agree to the IMO… normally I don’t use that, or I rarely do… in any case I usually assume that it is someone’s opinion!
beautiful*adams {cent} said,
in July 12th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
** forgot to say, that some here believe it’s necessary to ID your thought/theory as IMO!
Tobias, yes it is strange!
I have 2 theories on why he is in jail, either they want to question him or they dont want someone else to question him. But I am just a conspiricy nut sometimes. But it is strange we talk about him and poof there he is. jmo
Too bad we couldn’t do the same thing with HaLeigh, tobias! (We talk about her all the time, but she never shows up)
Tobias,
Not wanting someone else to question him, didn’t cross my mind… but, I like that theory!!
I have been reading here for several months but never post because of things like this. When a person is questioned about using IMO by the person who said to use IMO I felt the urge.
Bet he isnt anywhere near Ron or Tommy, I sure would like to know if he is being questioned. jmo
You were talking about White Boy and he is in jail too. The way Crystal is talked about she might be next.
One person sure has been quiet is NayNay, wonder where she is. I thought about her today when it was reported that a woman with no ID was hit by a car and died near her home on RT. 17 less than a mile from Tropic.hmm. jmo
It’s like a rodeo round-up… yes, Kelly, CS might be the next to fall… hope not for Jr. and Chloe’s sake.
Then there is NayNay & Amber… Lindsy too.
Jacob Ingram was picked up a couple of days ago. He is from Hasings so he is probably Chucks son.hmmm. Seems alot of people are out and about getting into trouble.jmo
tobias said,
in July 13th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Jaba, I think he hoped they would take him back to St. Johns where he has friends. I doubt if he has any in PCSD, actually he probably has enemies there. Like Ron.jmo
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Well, he’s going to have one fine birthday this year. 😉
tobias, is that Chuck the bail guys son?
Vaq, Have you been following the news down there? I am trying to keep an eye on it since there was a unidentified woman hit by a car near where NayNay lives (tropic) This is also where one of the deals went down with the UC. sTRANGE HOW PEOPLE GET RUN OVER DOWN THERE WALKING AT NIGHT.JMO
nOT 100% POSITIVE but Chuck lives in Hastings and so does this Jacob Ingram, he also resembles Chuck. I will do somemore rsearch to see what I can find out. jmo bbl
hello everyone…
Jaba.. hope you are around….and keep posting..
so… no news yet again? WHERE is HALEIGH???
I agree with whoever said that it’s about Tommy…
yet again I reiterate:
Misty knows
Tommy knows
Joe knows
Misty knows
Tommy helped
Joe did it…
it’s all about that gun thing and Joe and Ronald being enemies…
it is as scary as Drew Peterson who flapped his jaws and mocked reporters for MONTHS before they finally had evidence after doing an autopsy on his 3rd wife……..
tobias said,in July 13th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
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I am trying to keep an eye on it since there was a unidentified woman hit by a car near where NayNay lives (tropic) This is also where one of the deals went down with the UC.
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Glad you brought this up Tobias. The girl in the UC deal on Tropic was NayNays little sister Kelly. The UC report specifically said it was not closed. Haven’t seen any follow up about this Kelly and this is speculation only but wondering if she was asked and willing to testify in either case against any of the players.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 13th, 2010 at 2:10 pm tobias-ita
coop- if Misty could be sentenced as a youthful offender, I wouldn’t mind her coming out here and getting into a Nursing Program , we are so short here in that field many of the nurses hired are from other countries! Two problems arise from this especially with the elderly, one is communication is difficult and secondly
the way care is given is quite different depending on the Country the nurse is from.
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she would be good at that alex…
shes the only one whos gonna walk away from this.
My ex is a nurse, director of the rehab dept.
We got pulled over and as soon as the cops recognized her we were free to go.
Perfect job for misty.
WHO CARES ABOUT MEL GIBSON????????
DON’T CARE!!!!
WHERE IS HALEIGH?
WHERE IS KYRON???
Ils,
How are u?
Looks like LE did nothing wrong with tommy according to the judge.
Its hard to even be able to form a decent opinion from day to day. Folks bash le all the time here and this instance shows that when you jump the gun and believe what u hear at first, you probably need to wait until all is said an done.
Doesn’t surprise me about another police involvment issue.
Just gotta love Mel Gibson’s heavy breathing!
Dylan, Kelly is underage so she is probably in juvie. Doubt if we will hear anything about her, her file will be sealed. jmo
hey jaba…
was a little nervous when I was reading about the overnight turmoil here.. glad you are still around….
read that about Tommy.. makes me wonder if LE is waiting to go in for the kill..
Ils,
I have no plans to move on. I love reading the stuff here and participating. Jan and simon run the show here and have made it clear what we can and can’t do. If they see fit to make exceptions or changes, I’m totally cool with it. Its their house.
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I call it like I see it and I think others feel the same way.
When do we get to see what Annette Sykes wrote to the court about Ron?
If they have the goods on tommy that would be terrific. Anyone they can prove did something to her would make my day! 🙂
6 days to the ron trial. Looking forward to it myself.
good to hear, jaba.. glad that you are staying…
and Alex.. what about Annette Sykes??
Jaba- Is that when we hear Annete’s letter?
Can Ron still plead out or is it too late now?
iltsm-Annette Sykes had written a letter to the court, I just wondered what it says!
iltsm- on 5/28/10
Hey Guys!
Hi CJ!
Ron could walk in monday and say he guilty, sure.
I don’t know what’s in that letter but I’d offer this:
Ron lost his daughter and wasn’t in his right mind and deserves a break.
That’s one idea on what the letter could be about. Gma sykes can’t possibly try to say the video tape is not real or something to that effect, I don’t think.
It would be interesting to know!
Anything different Alex,I am guessing NO?
Thought I’d check in!
CathyJo- Not on Haleigh’s case, but Kyron’s case it sounds like they are going to arrest the stepmom for something1
Oh Good Alex,she is very strange isn’t she?
Hey cjo! 🙂
Heey Jaba! you ok?
CJ- after the restraining order was issued she tried to take her daughter!
Alex,have you ever been to eyes for lies? She has her thoughts on Teri,very interesting!
OMG Alex,Are you serious??
That woman is crazy as hello!!!
Worried me when she lawyered up!
I doubt she’ll ever get to see her daughter for that fatal mistake,she shouldn’t get to anyway but as for her daughter,it’s a crying shame!!
Dunno why people do stupid crap like that!!
Hire a hitman and do whatever she did with Kyron,assuming she did but imo she did!LoL
It’s too easy to just walk out than to murder your husband!
Dunno why people do stupid crap like that!!
Hire a hitman and do whatever she did with Kyron,assuming she did but imo she did!LoL
It’s too easy to just walk out than to murder your husband!
CJ- I’ll have to take a look! But you would think, she’s already under suspicion for Kyron’s disappearance, rumor that she may have tried to hire a hitman to kill her husband and she tries to take her daughter when there is restraining order for her to stay away. Very strange.
My mom threw the PT out and threw $5.00 at her for cab fare! I am so embarassed!!!!!
awww,LoL Don’t be embarassed! Bless her heart!!
Why havent they found Kyron yet, if they believe his step mother did something where did she hide him? Dont they even know where she was?jmo
Kyron’s step mom was supposedly sexting someone too…
who would be that desperate? She looks like a she-male….
iltsm- she apparently was having an affair with Kaine’s childhood friend!
yea I caught that Alex… WHAT???
WHAT is wrong with people???????????
Alexandria Loring said,
in July 13th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
CJ- I’ll have to take a look! But you would think, she’s already under suspicion for Kyron’s disappearance, rumor that she may have tried to hire a hitman to kill her husband and she tries to take her daughter when there is restraining order for her to stay away. Very strange.
My mom threw the PT out and threw $5.00 at her for cab fare! I am so embarassed!!!!!
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She is FEISTY… I love her for that!!!
cent- Do you want her?lol
ALex…lol
Alex,
You would have to bring her, since my car blew-up! You know where Ceres is?
Here is a case where Kyron is being forgotten, where is that little boy? For petes sake who cares if she is sexting find the boy.jmo
Yes, past Modesto, about an hour from Galt! Do you have an extra room? And are you use to being abused by a 90 year old? She’s fired me several times and when I tell her I don’t work for her she says “You can stay, you’re good for nothing!”
I’m not sure how she means that!
Goodnight everyone, catch ya all in the afternoon. Hope one of these people find it in their hearts to confess what they know. In both cases Kyrons and Haleighs.
Tobias- I think they were checking her phone records and the texting showed up. LE showed it to her husband. It might be motive for wanting to get rid of both Kaine & Kyron!
Yes, my sister has an extra room! I did a lot work with Seniors~ Social work. Nothing will/can ever surprise me when it comes to them. I had to pay a visit to a couple in their home, and I guess I had made it there right on time. It took forever for the Mr. to open the door, but when he did… wow… he was freaked cause the Mrs. couldn’t get up from the floor, he was screaming pick her up, pick her up. She was screaming help me, help me. Of course I didn’t move her, but as I was calling 911, I noticed his fly down and unbuttoned… and well, she was naked!
Gives you a new appreciation for undergarments… when an 87 yr old is hollering… get my panties, get my panties! And then you have the Operator and Fire Dept/Paramedics laughing their asses off, cause they hear the ruckus in the background!
**Now back to subject**
ron has one chance at trial, the sympathy card.
The prosecution will come at him with all they got, unlimited resources, experts and cops testifying against him. I think he’ll take the 25 hope said he was offered.
Its obvious what LE did to misty, if she can withstand the pressure LE puts on her to plead and takes it to 12 I have no doubt she walks.
Hardy gambled this drug farce would help find haleigh, he lost.
cent- roflmao
OJ- I know some people are sympathetic to Ron but I think more are against him. He is going to have to have a really good jury consultant! I really thought he would take a plea!
Do they have half-time in Florida?
sorry, Croslin.. and sorry, so so long…
Alex. At 8:20
Your mom has fired you several times?
That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen written here in a long time. Lmao at that one. She is ‘super spunky’ isn’t she. Seriously, that was funny. 🙂
The DA doesn’t want the circus if they can avoid it..the offer for 25 is in play up until trial starts.
(((Vaq))) You are wanted!!
Rons attorney better be careful not to open a door to his past that the d/a can probe. He will lose all sympathy, imo.
If ron takes the stand, he better crank up the tears over his daughter being gone and not get combative during the d/a’s cross examination for a chance at a sympathy vote.
The d/a will stick with the tapes, they say it all, imo
Misty better shed the neck cocking and corn row look she had in those jail tapes to get sympathy. The tapes on her and her own amdission and that of her dads will damage her badly.
She can only hope there are phone records and tape recordings of her saying no to the uc over and over and over to get off completly. Just becasue she says no becasue she couldn’t get pills at the time a call was made won’t do it.
Imo
JABA — Off the subject, but I have always assumed you were a man, so I wasn’t surprised when you mentioned that the other day. Also not surprised at the rest of your profile. That’s all…
tommy’s lawyer cut from topix…
James S. Werter, LLC
Attorney at Law
Florida Bar Member Since 1990
Former Law Enforcement Officer
Former Florida Prosecutor
Background: Born April 17, 1954, and raised in New York City, James S. Werter, Esquire, graduated from John Jay College of Criminal Justice, New York, after finishing an enlistment with the U.S. Air Force as a Security Policeman. He continued his law enforcement career as a Detective Investigator with the Brooklyn District Attorney’s Office and as a Senior Investigator with the N.Y.C. Mayor’s Office before re-entering the military as an officer in 1981.
James S. Werter, Esquire entered the U.S. Navy as an Officer/Pilot with collateral duties in security, eventually cross-training in Naval Intelligence, assigned to Naval Investigative Service as a Reserve Officer/Agent while attending law school.
Upon his separation from active duty, James S. Werter, Esquire, attended University of Bridgeport School of Law, Connecticut, graduating in 1990, winning awards for Outstanding Legal Scholarship and Excellence in Legal Writing. Immediately after graduating, he returned to Florida where he spent his Navy career, beginning his law career as a prosecutor for the State Attorney’s Office, Seventh Judicial Circuit, Daytona Beach, Florida. After three years, he opened his private practice and stayed in the northeast Florida area. Additionally, he taught law classes at Daytona Beach Community College.
Over the years, James S. Werter, Esquire, has handled a great number of family law cases, such as divorce/dissolution, paternity, child support, domestic violence. He has prosecuted and defended a wide range of criminal offenses, practicing in both misdemeanor and felony courts throughout the Seventh Judicial Circuit of Florida. He has litigated real estate and various contract disputes. He counsels in the areas of bankruptcy and debt relief in the U. S. District Court, Middle District-Jacksonville. However, he will never perform a disservice by taking a case outside his ability. He will find the right lawyer for the situation.
James S. Werter, Esquire has a reputation of competency, aggressiveness and integrity and has always related well to his clients and their needs based on his own values and roots. Contact him by telephone or e-mail for an appointment.
Tommy will be sentenced and rons case will be over before they get to misty. That will give mistys attorney something to go on. Rons trial will probably include the same sets of evidence that will be used against misty.
The d/a knows entrapment and if they thought there was a chance that would fly they’d offer misty a great deal. They don’t, imo, and they won’t.
It will be must see tv next week and the next few weeks.
Tobie,
I wanted to make sure cj knew the full scoop. She deserved it. I didn’t want any misconceptions between her and I. She’s good people and while we don’t agree on everything, I wanted her have the mindset right.
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OJ- Is that an ad for Tommy’s Lawyer?
Werter has a stellar background and service to our country.
A 20 year lawyer.
Pretty good for a freebie. Imo
Alex, your mom sounds a lot like my grandma. She turns 105 next month, up until 3 years ago, still lived in her own house by herself. The family finally talked her into moving in with my 75 year old aunt. They live in NC. My grandfather retired from Greyhound, many years ago, and he passed about 25 years ago. Anyway she has a lifetime pass with Greyhound. About 2 years ago she got mad at my aunt for something or another, waited until one day that my aunt had a doctors appointment and as soon as my aunt left she called a cab, went to the Greyhound station. My aunt gets home to a note telling her she was “fired”, that was all it said. Of course my aunt is frantic, calls all the family, then the police. About 11 hours later I get a call from the Greyhound station in Jacksonville, it was my grandma telling me to come pick her up, which of course I do. My aunt drove down the next day, but grandma refused to go back until we took her to St. Simon’s Island, GA (not far from Jacksonville area) because her favorite writer, Eugenia Price, is buried there and she wasn’t going to go back unless we did.
alex, I cut it from the latest thread at topix..
the bottom paragraph does read like an advertisement..
our old friend trotline is posting there.
Trotline? The one who called us all kinds of names out of the blue a couple of different times?
I forget the exact wording but it was as vile as anything I can remember. In fact I’ll go back and look at those posts again. Not the type of friend I’d like to have. Jmo
LadySadie- maybe they are related- During the WWII, mom wasn’t in the service but dad was but she got a job out at Hunter’s Point (Treasure Island) welding ships! She had come across country on a motorcycle. But I can see your grandmother is a character too. What a generation!
OJ- I don’t think I’m the one who upset him, I forget why he got upset!
Alexandria Loring said,in July 13th, 2010 at 9:58 pm LadySadie- maybe they are related- During the WWII, mom wasn’t in the service but dad was but she got a job out at Hunter’s Point (Treasure Island) welding ships! She had come across country on a motorcycle. But I can see your grandmother is a character too. What a generation!
OJ- I don’t think I’m the one who upset him, I forget why he got upset!
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oh yea forgot about that..I just recalled he was a local..I don’t memorize posts like a stalker but I do have most of the haleigh info in my head.
OJ – I seem to remember something about him being upset because he thought we were gossiping about locals, but he was the one who directed us to some bait shop to get all the local gossip. My memory is going downhill, so I’ll say that’s just my opinion of what i think I read!
Excuse me for having a memory everyone. 🙂
Go back and read trotlinedesigns for a reminder.
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Stalker, coward, pissant, gay…all nice names I’ve been called in less than 24 hours. Certainly that isn’t how we all get along, as rodney king would say.
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Stalker, gay, pissant, coward and king of queers…all names I’ve been called in the last 24 hours. Wow, what a treat.
Jaba – I’m not into name calling, but if I said anything that offened you I’m sorry. I think the only one I got upset with was John W Sharp, on one of the days mom fired me, and I apologized to him!
Not you alex, you have class.
I’m a little late coming to this thread but read the stuff above about SKB. Who ever said he wasn’t still working for CS?
comment deleted because of foul language
BNN Janitor – Jan Barrett
So basically you are braking[sic]the rules to tell off other people who are braking[sic]the rules?
Too funny
oh my goodness….. great use of the “sic” tho Vaq, seriously, you beat me to it…… so hard to know what else to say.. oh that’s right, just here to blog thoughts theories regarding baby HaLeigh, but always so heart warming to see how well people “follow the rules” normally I ingnore the nonsense, I guess a bit too crankly lately to take the high road. Holy Moly!
Vaq.. are you still here?
Good heavens follow, tell us what u really think. 🙂
beautiful*adams {cent} said,in July 12th, 2010 at 11:23 pm I hope that Hope’s sentence is overturned… Okay, she mouthed-off on the phone, so what!! Freedom of Speech… I don’t think that should have been played during the sentencing!
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I totally agree. And if the Judge was going to listen to it, he should have made sure he heard all of it, including the part where she made it clear that she didn’t understand the implications of a plea of guilty. I bet Hardy’s son gets a lot less for his charges. Crazy and sad.
Alex, yea my grandmother is quite a character. My “bio” grandfather died in WWII leaving her with 7 young children. She worked the family tobacco farm in NC for many years to raise them, then after the first 3 had gotten married, one day just decided to move to Miami. This was back in the 50’s, she got a secretarial job and bought her own home. She married my “real” grandfather when I was very young, some of my best memories are our visits to see them.
Don’t know why with age they seem to get so “mean”, but oh man!
Happy hump day… Hi LadyS…
wow, this case isn’t moving……
morning iltsmm!
I don’t think this case has moved since long before the drug arrests. What a shame.
For some type of “movement,” in another case, Cheney Mason acted like a donkey’s hindend yesterday. Twice. The first time was his motion to not allow the release of the list of evidence that the defense asked to inspect. He cited NO case law and blamed it all on the media! Especially talking heads (like he was before joining the defense! LOL!)
The second time he behaved more like a pig was the totally unprofessional way he treated a reporter when he arrived at the inspection site. Unbelievable! Has the nidget never heard the term “no comment?” He acted like a junvenile.
See wftv.com for article and raw video of his “interview.”
I’d love to see Cheney M. try mouthing off to Judge P like he did to Kathi B. Someone needs to teach him a few professional manners.
What an attitude!
Hi, Granny! It’s unbelievable that CM made it this far in his career. He’s an azz. I think it’s hard for him to control himself – same with Bozo – so I am hoping they do lose it at some point and Judge Perry makes them sit in the corner with pointy hats on = and the media gets to photograph it! LOL!
Oh, yeah. All the defense’s problems are the media’s fault? Sure! (not) Who are the media hoes? Baez and Cheney and their co-conspirators! They are their own worst enemies!
m2c said,
Oh, yeah. All the defense’s problems are the media’s fault?
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The media is probably responsible for Calee’s murder, too. The defense has to blame someone besides the princess.
The hearing tomorrow should be interesting.
JMO
Yes, the hearing should be interesting. I just wish Judge Perry would stop Bozo and Mason from spouting their lying propaganda at hearings. They’re using the hearings to influence public opinion.
Like saying that LE wouldn’t allow them to inspect the evidence at the site of the remains. That’s just one small example. The remains had not been identified yet! And since when does LE forensics investigate a crime scene shoulder-to-shoulder with the defense?
Bozo lies like that every time he’s near a camera but it’s worse when he’s standing in a court of law! I wish Judge Perry would shut Bozo’s mouth for him.
Exactly!
Judge Perry is a wise man-he lets Bozo go offuntil he’s stuck his foot firmly in his mouth, then reels him in.
I think he has Bozo’s and the rest of the defense teams number.
Granny I think Cheney M. knows better than to try mouthing off to Judge P like he did to Kathi B. He had to have learned professional manners to use in the court room or he would have been disbarred by now.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 13th, 2010 at 9:58 pm LadySadie- maybe they are related- During the WWII, mom wasn’t in the service but dad was but she got a job out at Hunter’s Point (Treasure Island) welding ships! She had come across country on a motorcycle. But I can see your grandmother is a character too. What a generation!
OJ- I don’t think I’m the one who upset him, I forget why he got upset!
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He got mad basicly because we were saying pcso wasn’t doing their job,Told us to f ourselves or something similar,shocked me!!
But he kept saying,we are not bad people,and no one said he was,LoL he went off the deep end!
m2c – that one always chapped my cheeks too (Bozo ranting about not getting to examine the remains at the scene). WHO gets to do that? They didn’t even know (for sure) who it was they had found. Unfortunately in this day and age it could have been any missing child. LE owed Bozo NOTHING when it came to doing the investigation at the scene. Of course I truly believe Bozo KNEW that was Caylee. But until that was determined officially, he had no reason to be there. And yet he whines about it! The level of “entitlement” both he and Casey exude blows my mind!
Mason has come close to disrespecting Perry with his snide remarks.. Bozo does it every time he is in the courtroom.
I think Mason’s sun has almost set..this case could finish him off.
Some “dream” team.
Cheney needs to take up his complaints with the State of Florida and the Sunshine Law. Those laws weren’t written especially for Casey Anthony so she isn’t being singled out. I get so sick of “we’re being treated unfairly” and “we’re being picked on” from the duhfense. What idiots.
The next time BOZO whines about LE not letting him examine the remains when they were located, LE ought to whine back and say “Well, your client didn’t let us witness the murder so now we’re even!” What morons!
Just wanted to check in,bb tonight if my daughter doesn’t have the baby……man this blog is s;ower than I have ever seen it!
The dream team is crumbling bit by bit. These attorneys rode in like knights on their white horses to save Casey. Before it is over they’ll be slinking out of town on the back of a donkey with a stick for a sword and a coffee can on their heads for a helmet! MORONS!
LadySadie- all I can say is my sons and nephews and nieces have these stories to tell as you do! You know, from what your aunt went through, it was heart breaking & stressful for her when it was happening. After, when you know they are safe, you look back and the whole situation is funny! God bless your family for sticking it out, I have seen so many turn their backs on their parents, sometimes because they can’t deal with the emotional stress of the moment, but it passes and you have great memories afterwards!
I was hoping that the blood transfusion she got would be from a very mellow person and it would blend with her blood and she would return to normal but I think she got some mean person’s blood! lol
We all know that Casey is a special snowflake and deserves special treatment..ask her, her lawyers, her loving parents..
I’m anxious to see her reaction to Mommy dearest and brother Lee’s testimony tomorrow.
I wonder if Daddy will show up to offer his support?
One thing I find quite ironic is the fact that tomorrow’s hearing regarding the admission of the 911 tapes is that it is two years, to the day, since Cindy made those calls..
Hi Everyone! Casey got the team that fits her personality! Hide the truth, if that doesn’t work, throw in some untruths, if that don’t work, blow up at somebody!
Granny – that is ironic! I do hope at some point Cindy gets charged with purgery. She has lied almost as much as her daughter has.
I think Georgie is about to wash his hands of this whole mess. If he had ANY sense he’d pack up and move to Siberia!
I’ve seen and known some pretty self-involved people but NEVER have I EVER seen ANYTHING like Casey Anthony. I truly believe she believes her own lies! She and Bozo are a PERFECT couple!
Hey Alex! Yes, the DUHfense likes playing the “shell game” with the truth. Just keep shifting the blame around and pointing fingers in every direction and hopefully everyone will get distracted and lose track of what the point is of this entire fiasco….JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!
Hi CathyJo, miss you when your not here! Hope your daughter delivers you another grandchild today!
JB- I think you’re right about George, only I think if he leaves he would have whoppers coming out about him to save Casey!
And yes, Casy & Baez make a cute couple!
JB- I feel Casey will be convicted, when that happens I think Cindy is going to have a nervous breakdown and I don’t think Casey will care about her for one moment!
I think when Casey wrote the letters about George and Lee molesting her, that pretty much did it for George. He’s been through enough already thanks to his lovely daughter (not that he didn’t bring a lot of this on himself and he has lied for her too). But DANG, at some point, the man has to say enough is enough! He needs to stand up to Cindy AND Casey and make them BOTH come clean with the truth. He needs to start telling the truth and let the chips fall where they may. If ANY of them were to do it, George would be my best guess. He may just get tired of being beat into submission by the women of the family! Or he might just continue to live in the shadows….who knows! WHIMP!
On the TC harrassment motion, the article said the judge dismissed it but on the docs it says there was a motion to dismiss.
I didn’t understand when I read the article yesterday how a judge could dismiss something that had not gone to court for a hearing. But it appears that the defense must have filed a motion to dismiss and that was granted. That makes much more sense to me.
Another case of sloppy reporting?
If Tommy had been sentenced on the 6 of july, he wouldnt be up for any deals to testify against Ron if Ron goes to trial. This could be their strategy. Its just a theory. But it may be what they are up to. We will see what happens if Ron doesnt makea plea before the 19th. jmo
WhyLie – my first question would be who has the ability to request a motion to dismiss? Both sides could, right? Either side could have submitted the motion to dismiss the the judge then ruled on the motion. We need to find out which side FILED the motion. It doesn’t really make sense that Tommy’s atty would file that motion. Had to be the other side. And perhaps Tommy’s lawyer didn’t have enough grounds for the charge in the first place so it got dismissed. JMO
JB- ita- I think George did tell the truth at the Grand Jury hearing, since that is done in secret he wasn’t worried about retribution. Do you know if the defense team has received that info? Because I thought once it was released to the defense then it is released to the public but I don’t remember reading about it.
Hi WhyLie! It did seem strange that a motion was dismissed without a hearing but then what the judge said, if it’s true and not some more bad reporting, doesn’t make sense. If Tommy asked for an attorney they can’t continue to question him unless Florida is differrent than other states. If the judge said that then he mispoke and should correct himself!
I wonder if the ones in civilian clothes were FBI? I think Tommy may have quit talking when they entered the picture, its a federal offense to lie to them. And I believe Tommy knows this from Timmys experience since he almost ended up in Federal prison at some point. jmo
JB I wouldn’t think that a motion to dismiss by the SA would have been dismissed without a hearing. A motion by the defense, who filed it, yes, but how could a judge dismiss a motion by the State without a hearing?
I was trying to research it but couldn’t find anything. I will try again today.
Alex – yes, George DID tell the truth in the beginning. One of his first interviews, I think with the FBI….he tells them it was the smell of death and he recognized it from being in LE….was afraid to open the trunk for fear of finding his daughter and/or granddaughter. But once Cindy got to him, his story changed. PURGERY! BIG TIME!
tobias, They were probably FDLE. I don’t think that PCSO has/or wants the FBI involved, and FBI would have no jurisdiction unless invited by PCSO.
WhyLie – good question! I wish we knew who filed the motion. And WHY? Either they have grounds for their claim or they don’t. If Tommy’s atty filed the motion to dismiss…then my question would be why?
My question as well, JB. Why would Werter dismiss. I would think he would want it on record. I wonder if PCSO did back down and they made a deal with Werter. It is going to be interesting to see what TC gets as a sentence.
JB- In my opinion, George’s suicide attempt was real, the pressure from the state, Cindy & Casey had to be unbearable! I wonder which he feared most! And I do believe he loved Caylee and missed her immensely!
WhyLie- Are Tommy’s case, does he have Two different judges?
On 1/21/2010 it says Judge Terry LaRue
On 1/22/2010 it says Judge Edward Hedstrom
1-22 Is for the BEs and 1-21 is for the drug trafficking.jmo
WhyLie – another good point – they could have struck a deal. I would think the only way it could have been dismissed without a hearing is if Werter did it. There has to be a reason for it and I think you are right, they struck some sort of deal.
Alex – Yes, I agree to a degree that Geo’s suicide attempt was somewhat legit. I mean, I believe he had truly hit bottom and was overwhelmed with grief. However, I also truly believe that if someone really wants to commit suicide, they get the job done. They don’t send text messages, call people, and wait around to be found alive and kickin’. They just do it. So to me, it was a legit cry for help. But if he REALLY wanted to kill himself, he’d be 6 feet under by now.
Frankly, living in that househould would make me want to commit suicide! Cindy is enough to drive anyone off the deep end!
Tobias- Is his plea deal for both cases?
If so which judge gets to sentence him?
Alex, he pled out on the drug and trafficking charges, not on the burglary charges, so far. LaRue will be sentencing him on the drug charges. I would imagine if TC gets a “long” sentence, nothing will come of the burglary charges. SA will probably not pursue them.
JB- I just watched the Cheney Mason video and it is apparent he doesn’t like Kathi Belich!I wonder if the Sheriff’s Office purposely took a long time to open the door so they could see him squirm!
ty- WhyLie
WhyLie and JB: I can’t find my comment but I had kept part of the article that I quoted from (but not the source although it was local mainstream media not a blog).
I believe that Werter had filed a motion for a hearing about it and this is what happened.
(Below are quotes from the article)
(1st paragraph) “A hearing to request that investigators not question Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr. without his attorney present has been cancelled after the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office agreed not to do so again.”
(Last paragraph) “Werter said he requested the hearing be dropped after investigators agreed not to talk to Croslin without him present.”
I don’t think Kathi Belich is someone that Cheney should tick off. She is relentless when she is on a mission.
Wouldn’t you know, I just found my post.
The article was July 12 in the online version of the Florida Times Union – which is jacksonville.com
The article is called “Croslin Hearing on Jail Interrogation Cancelled.” That’s where the two quotes above came from. Hope this helps.
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has agreed to not question Hank Croslin Jr. about the Haleigh Cummings case unless his lawyer is present.
Croslin’s lawyer had gone to court saying he was being mistreated and threatened with charges if he didn’t cooperate.
Croslin is waiting to learn his sentence on drug charges.
Croslin’s lawyer filed the motion claiming mistreatment and asking that he be moved out of the Putnam County Jail.
A judge dismissed the motion, saying Croslin is not being harassed and that detectives have the right to question him.
Croslin is the brother of Misty Cummings, the last person known to have seen 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings before she disappeared last year.
Croslin’s sentencing on drug charges is set for Aug. 2.
m2c – well, your article makes it sound like Werter dropped it and a deal to not question Tommy w/o Werter was reached.
Tobias’ article makes it sound like the judge threw it out.
Somewhere between these two scenarios I guess lies the truth! LOL
Sorry that article above is from Jax4news.com.
It is the most recent article. jmo
One big question is why were they in court ? The hearing was supposed to be on the 16th.hmmm.jmo
So I guess both are true. LE agreed not to question Tommy w/o Werter and the whole thing was tossed out, motion withdrawn and now we move forward with sentencing. One mystery solved….5,412,091 left to go! 😀
Tobias – I guess they reached an agreement before the hearing date….Werter submitted the motion to dismiss so they went to court before the hearing date.
I think Werter realized he didnt have any proof of Tommy being mistreated and the action would cause his client more harm than good.jmo
On one of the jail house tapes Tommy calls other people to get his lawyer, why couldnt he call him directly? Wouldnt that be the most important person to have on your list when you are in jail?jmo
I think you’ve got that right Tobias..there probably was no proof..but I wouldn’t put it past LE from questioning him without his lawyer if they thought they could get away with it.
I also wonder why he couldn’t call his lawyer directly? Maybe he wouldn’t accept the calls?
JB @ 11: 12 – I think the problem may be in the reporting and the words used. I know that Werter submitted a motion in writing and requested a hearing about it. Now I can’t find the motion.
So one of two things happened: Werter and LE came to an agreement and Werter withdrew the motion.
OR – LE submitted a motion in response (which we have not heard about) and the judge read both motions and ruled on it (which is the only way I can think of for a judge to be involved before a hearing (which had been scheduled) was held.
Whichever way, I guess it’s a non-issue now.
Tommy squeals for his lawyer when it gets tough in jail. He better get his next attorney on speed dial when he hits PRISON, cuz things will be worse. He’s the type that will file frivilous lawsuits like so many inmates do.
I bet tommy sues for ear-reduction surgery and want Floridians to pay for it. 🙂
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Cjo, recollection of trotlines meltdown is correct. Good memory, of course its hard to forget being called such names as a group here.
tobias, lawyers don’t put minutes on their phone for inmates to call them. An inmate is supposed to be allowed to phone their attorney but obviously when and how often they do is up to the jail.
Isn’t LE required to allow a call to an attorney to be made on a phone that is not monitored?
I still see this as a strategy to get Tommys sentence moved to a date after Rons plea.
Before all of this he would have been sentenced on the 6 of july before Rons plea. Now he is sentenced on the 6th of Aug. after Rons plea on the 19 of July. Maybe they will offer Tommy a deal to testify if Ron doesnt take a plea on the 19th???? jmo
Rons lawyer said he made an offer to testify against Misty if he could be sentenced to 15 after Misty went to trial. Sounds like Rons lawyer wants everyone to go before Ron for some reason.hmm.jmo
I agree with you, Tobias, that there seems to be an effort to get a better deal by testifying against the other person. But when does it stop? Will Ron come up with something to get his trial put off until after Donna is sentenced? It all seems very strange!
I believe Shoemaker and Ron will plea out, he doesnt have a leg to stand on in the drug case. Cant prove entrapment, its all on video, and Ron has priors. And bringing up the Haleigh case could back fire instead of help, how many jurors are going to look at him favorably when they find out he had one child missing and one child still in his care when he was arrested? jmo
I believe the person who got the better deal was Donna, Ron was offered 25 and his lawyer was trying to get 15 and its not working in their favor. The DA has Donna and they dont need Ron. Wonder if the 25 is still on the table now? He may be between a rock and a hard place since they have Donna.lol jmo
Tobias, what is the max Ron can get?
I think they should be harder on Donna! She was the oldest in the group and was even selling her own pills, she should have been the responsible one. Discouraging not going along with the deal! To me she is really the lowest of all of them. Her connection to TES, makes me think that maybe Jose Baez is looking for someone from TES to take the blame for Casey. If there’s a dru dealing Donna Brock in Haleigh’s case, perhaps there is a kidnapping nanny they can find in the records!
tobias said,in July 14th, 2010 at 12:38 pm Rons lawyer said he made an offer to testify against Misty if he could be sentenced to 15 after Misty went to trial
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Have you seen that info from a legitimate news source? The only place I’ve seen it is on a pseudo (fake) look-like-a-news-site that’s really opinion and commentary.
What I read at news4jax is below and says nothing about testifying against M or any info about what a plea deal would entail:
Thursday, May 13, 2010
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — “A Putnam County judge has set a tentative trial date of July 19 for Ronald Cummings on his drug trafficking charges.
Cummings’ lawyer said Thursday he expects a plea deal to be reached before then.”
I agree Alex. Pumping Misty full of drugs in the hopes to get her to talk and tell her something about Haleigh, and I have no doubt it was so Donna could get a piece of that reward. She had no regard to Haleigh at all.
WhyLie- and she makes TES & Tim Miller look bad by association!
Alex, All I can say is people in the higher ranks of TES knew all about Donna, and what Donna is like. I will leave it at that.
m2c – this is one of the articles I had read before but there are a BUNCH out there saying the same thing on all the major news sources online…
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“Speaking after a hearing before Circuit Judge Terry LaRue in Palatka Thursday morning, attorney Terry Shoemaker said Cummings, 26, will likely agree to plead to three of five charges. Each of those three charges carries a minimum mandatory prison sentence of 15 years. A judge could order them to be served concurrently for a total of 15 years in prison.
Two of the five charges — involving trafficking in larger amounts of prescription drugs — carry a minimum sentence of 25 years. Shoemaker said the tentative deal in the works involves dropping the two more severe charges.
The plea deal might be completed by July 1, he said. Cummings would agree to testify against his co-defendants and would be sentenced after those cases went to trial.
“Everyone in the world has seen the [undercover] videos,” Shoemaker said. “It’s kind of hard. It’s a great case for the state.”
Shoemaker said it in an interview as well. I think he even mentioned it on NG…but I’d have to go read transcripts to be sure.
This one is from WESH:
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PALATKA, Fla. — It looks as though Ronald Cummings will need to testify against his ex-wife Misty Croslin.
Cummings is considering a plea deal in exchange for his testimony.
He would serve 15 years on drug charges and would also need to testify against Misty Croslin’s brother, Hank “Tommy” Croslin, regarding drug charges._______
Did everyone leave? LOL m2c, you still there?
So Actually the discretion the judge has is whether to sentence to consecutive or concurrent?
Shoemaker has been saying “a plea deal will be reached before then” for a LONNNNGGGGG time. He said it would be reached before July 1 and it wasn’t. He’s given several dates and he’s missed all of them. It could be that Donna got the deal before Ron could and now he’s just SOL. LOL
JB, Thats where I remember him saying it and I think he also brought it up again in the interview after LE talked with the family about Haleigh being dead. I dont think the deal is on the table anymore if it ever was. I think this is what Shoemaker was trying to get but the DA didnt go for it. I remember Hope saying Ron told her they were ofering him 25 years. jmo
Alex – yes. The judge can decide that which is pretty HUGE actually. I bet they rule for him to serve concurrently….the other way would be a life sentence. JMO.
JB- If Tommy took a plea, why would Ron need to testify against him?
tobias – that is how I remember it and that is how I see it in all the old articles. I’ve looked up about six articles so far on this subject and they all say the same thing. One even had video of Shoemaker stating this (straight from the horse’s mouth). Shoemaker has been running his mouth for a long time. He was up at the bench talking to the judge at Hope’s sentencing saying something about “Yes, they were in discussions with the DA” or something like that. He brought it up on NG too. He should have kept his trap shut until he sealed the deal. Now he looks like a fool and has probably done his client a major injustice.
Jb- if I leave without saying anything it’s my mom called me to help her!
Alex – okay, thanks for letting me know! Totally understand! HUGS!
If the DA thought it was a good deal it wouldnt take months to work out, Donna got her deal real quick. I wonder what she has on them to make her get the best deal? If it goes to trial I am sure we will hear it. jmo
No Alex. The judge has the final say as to sentencing. While the judge will usually go along with the SA’s recommendation, the judge does not have to.
Usually the deals that are made are in a charge reduction, such as in Donna’s case, and what Shoemaker is trying to do for Ron.
So while Donna’s charges were lowered and she is now facing a min/man of 15 years, she could be sentenced to more years by the judge.
Alex – well, I haven’t figured out why they’d need any of these morons to testify against each other. They are on video. What more do they need? And with as many lies as these folks have told, what good is their word on anything anyway!? Seems pointless to me but hey, what do I know!?
Thank you JB and Tobias. It seems REALLY strange (and fishy) to me for R’s lawyer to publicize the terms of a plea deal BEFORE reaching agreement with the state. It’s like showing everyone at the poker table your cards. And it puts everyone else on the guard or on the offensive to try to prevent it. It makes no sense.
The whole thing seems strange, like they are playing a game! Let’s see who can stay out of prison the longest!
Now in California because of the over crowding, if you’re not a celebrity, in most jails inmates are doing 1/3 or less of their sentence.
In the prison it is still half time unless a court orders a reduction in prison population then depending on your sentence you could be out the door in less then 1/2 time!
tobias @ 1:47 – Maybe Donna is telling LE who her out of state source is for the drugs she bought. Her testimony may have to do with something like as much as testifying against M, T or R. I don’t see the need for the latter either. But revealing the name of a higher-up in the drug chain would be worth seomthing.
Alex – WhyLie is correct….the judge can’t go below the minimum mandatory but he/she can sentence them to longer and/or decide whether multiple sentences run concurrent or consecutively. To get a reduced sentence these folks would have to get the Prosecutor to reduce the charges….which is what is happening with Donna. They’ve reduced the charge so that she can POTENTIALLY receive a shorter sentence….but the judge still has options. It would probably be grounds for appeal if the judge went too crazy with an extra long sentence and didn’t follow the basic guidelines of sentencing though. Easier for the judge to just stick with the 15 and be done with it.
M2C, I saw it as a chance to get it on National TV as adeal being offered to Ron, which was not the case at all. NG switched it around to sound like the DA was making the offer when in actuality it was Shoemaker negotiating a better deal than what was originally offered(25). Kinda like media and public pressure in favor of a deal for Ron. But thats just my OPINION.
Another thing to consider about the long time that R’s lawyer has been talking about getting a plea deal for R is that lets M and T know – so if they think he’s going to testify against them maybe they will ‘fess up about Haleigh to get lighter sentences. It could be a ploy to add pressure to get them to talk, you know?
m2c – I agree! I’m no fan of Ron but he deserves appropriate counsel and his atty shot off his mouth WAY too much and probably COULD have gotten a deal if he’d gone about it the right way. Screams ineffective counsel to me! But JMVHO.
I have a feeling those pills Donna had were from her own prescription since Misty told the UC she would have more in 3 months. It was probably Donnas 3 month prescribed meds she was selling. jmo
Tobias, going national on NG sounds more like a way for Shoemaker to get on TV. I mean what does LE care what NG thinks or the public or the media? God knows there has been no public outcry about R’s arrest or sentencing – other than a few saying entrapment and a whole lot more people saying throw away the key.
Misty and Tommy could also take that as a threat to stay quiet or he would tell everything and put the blame on them. Ron could be threatening to testify against them could make them stay quiet. jmo
m2c – I hope there is a logical explanation for why Shoemaker has been running his mouth. I want these people to face the consequences of their actions but I also want them treated fairly and not railroaded by a bunch of glory hound attorneys who are just trying to make a name for themselves. Fair and balanced.
It could be it was a scare tactic to get M and To to spill the beans….but it sure doesn’t appear to have worked….at least from what I can tell.
tobias – yes, I remember one of the Donna tapes – her saying she didn’t need the pills and Misty did so she gave them to her. I don’t for a minute believe that Donna didn’t know what Misty was going to do with them though. Donna tried to play all innocent and I don’t believe she was or is. She isn’t LE and had no business trying to work UC to get Misty to talk. She should have left that to the professionals….but instead she will face the consequences of her actions and stupidity. She sounds like a real winner…what she did to Tim Miller is pretty inexcusable as well. Not the kind of person I’d want to associate with. JMO
I agree JB, I just dont think there was a big guy Donna was getting her pills from. I believe she had a prescription for her own use and sold the 3 month supply she had to get close to Misty and what she thought was going to get her info. The idiot got way too deep into this and now she is paying for it. JMO
I think the SA would be more concerned about Ron testifying against Misty since she is the one that could play the entrapment card. If Ron testifies that she was indeed selling drugs prior to selling them to the UC, then it would show that Misty was not entrapped, that she had the propensity to sell drugs.
Also if by some chance Fields is able to get the UC video thrown out of court, the State would still have Ron and his testimony, along with the UC, and that should be enough to get a conviction on Misty.
I think the SA would be foolish to let Misty go to trial in St Johns and risk Donna being put on the stand. It would all come out about how Donna got involved with Misty, Misty being a minor at the time, the drug use in NYC, the road rage, Donna’s connection with PCSO, the part TM played, all of it.
That story could be enough to get one juror pizzed off enough at the shenanigans to find her not guilty.
tobias – yes, Donna was stupid. She was playing “cop” without the legal authority to do so. She endangered people on the highway with her road rage, not to mention the damage her drugs could have done to the people who bought them. She discredited Tim Miller as her actions reflected negatively on him (which we don’t need due to the ongoing Anthony case). She did NOTHING to help the case. Anything she gets, she deserves.
Whylie – good points about the testimony. Hadn’t thought about it that way.
If you go and find the incident reports you will see the first report was 510 with Kelly and Misty. At the bottom of the report it states the first call was left for Misty to call the UC back. All the calls were recorded.
So this call will prove if she was a willing or unwilling participant. jmo
WhyLie – yes, Donna could actually have done MUCH more harm than good. She may have initially meant well but DANG, she could really have messed things up and as far as I can tell did NOTHING to help as we STILL have no clue where Haleigh is.
tobias – yes, the calls will be very important. Her demeanor on those calls, what she said and how she said it will be key. She may have even mentioned prior sales she made, contacts, etc….who knows.
But even Ron’s atty stated clearly that the State had a GREAT case against these guys, the videos spoke for themselves, etc. He’s seen everything the State has he believes it is a solid case.
JB- So now if Donna said she doesn’t need the pills can the Jail medical team use that to not medicate her while she’s in custody?
If Donna really meant well she would have been trying to win Misty over by being a good role model, by showing Misty the “other side” of life. What Misty could have, could do for herself. But instead Donna pumped her full of drugs. I have no doubt Donna behaved the way she did because that is who the real Donna is.
In my book, I have no problem with my tax dollars feeding her for the next 15 years. She got what she deserved.
WhyLie- ita on Donna!
Alex – LOL – yes, let’s hope the jail paid close attention to her prior statement and will tell her, “SORRY! YOU SAID YOU DIDN’T NEED THEM SO WE AREN’T GIVING YOU ANY!”.
I think they need to make an example out of Donna. We certainly don’t need “non LE” taking things into their own hands and trying to get info like this, all the while breaking the law. That is NOT how it should be done. It would have been one thing if Donna had done what WhyLie said and had shown Misty a better way of life and befriended her that way…encouraged her to come clean with what she knew. Instead Donna broke the law right along side Misty and now it is time to deal with it. I have NO sympathy. She could have blown the whole investigation with her antics!
JB- I’m kind of concerned that Donna’s sentencing is not until September! She wasn’t on every deal with Misty! And are there any tapes of Tommy I don’t remember seeing any!
sure be glad when there is something to talk about other than druggies
TOPIC CHANGE – I have an idea for the prosecution in the Anthony case. They need to get human decomp smell in a container. Then get the smell of rotting pizza in another container. Then get the smell of a dead squirrel in another container. Then line them up for Cindy and have her sniff each one to see which one she recognizes. LMAO
They could use it at trial and have the jurors sniff all three and see if THEY can tell the difference!
JB thank the Lord I won’t be on the jury for that
Alex – I’m not worried about it and you shouldn’t either. I think these people will get what is coming to them in the drug charges. I don’t want them punished for something they didn’t do but I truly believe these people have dealt drugs MANY many times and broken a WHOLE lot of laws that they never had to answer for. This will be their day of reckoning.
And may the person responsible for Haleigh’s disappearance meet with justice as well. WHOMEVER that may be!
JB @3:24 roflmao!
Alex , I’ve wondered from the beginning why haven’t we seen a tape of Tommy.
Isaw the incident report and I dont think he actually got in the UC car. I will try to find it again bbl jmo
Cricket- maybe they forgot to turn on the camera! They can always take Tommy on a field trip and ask him to do a re-enactment.
hownow – lol – yeah, but it would be great to demonstrate to the jurors that there is a DISTINCT difference.
Alex he’d be dumb enough to do it, just to have trip outside of jail.
JB- Can Baez have a whiff too!
Alex – The way he watches Casey’s backside as she comes and goes I have a feeling what Bozo has been sniffing is worse than the smell of death. He probably offers to laundry her underwear! UGH!
Frankly I think they need to fill Casey’s cell with the smell of decomposing flesh and plaster it with pictures of her dead baby’s skull with duct tape wrapped around it. Now THAT is justice!
JB-ita!
OFF TOPIC – I don’t guess anyone has heard any updates on the Kyron Horman case have they? I think the stepmother did it. Not sure if I believe Kyron is alive and well or not at this point but the more I learn about that woman, the more freaked out I get!
JB- She is scarier then Casey! Though sometimes I think Casey would have done away with her parents if given the chance!
And does anyone remember the case of Nevaeh Buchanan? What ever happened? Did they arrest anyone? I never heard anymore about it!
Another case I used to follow was Victoria Stafford….haven’t heard if they ever took those people to trial or not. I know they finally located her little body…God rest her innocent little soul.
And what was the name of that little girl that the crackhead mother swapped her for a drug dead and the little girl ended up dead and thrown in a trash pile after being raped and strangled. Dang it! Can’t remember her name! Shame on me.
And whatever happened with that little boy Hasani (not sure if that is the correct spelling).
The media reports these cases then moves on. They need to stay with these cases from start to finish. Until the child is found and justice is served!
UGH! Sorry for the rant!
I don’t know Alex – Casey is pretty dang scary! LOL But yeah, the freak of a stepmother is looking pretty guilty. Trying to hire a hitman, sending naked pictures of herself to her hubby’s high school buddy as soon as her hubby moved out….she’s got a few screws loose!
And I’m not so sure Casey wasn’t planning to do away with her folks. Some of the household weapon search may have had to do with getting rid of her mom or dad or both! She was telling her girlfriend she was getting the house! Hmmmmmm…..I certainly would sleep with one eye open if I were Geo and Spindy! LMAO
JB said,
in July 14th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
OFF TOPIC – I don’t guess anyone has heard any updates on the Kyron Horman case have they? I think the stepmother did it. Not sure if I believe Kyron is alive and well or not at this point but the more I learn about that woman, the more freaked out I get!
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The bio mom will be on Dateline (guessing)tonight, and Levi Page is suppose to have an explosive broadcast… no it’s “mind blowin”!
That’s all I know… via RadioNewz/twitter
JB- I know they found Neveah’s body encased in cement at a river>. Also that the mom had been dating a sex offender but never heard if anyone was charged!
Hey B*A! Are you lurking? ROFLMAO How are you my friend? So do you think the stepmother did it?
Alex – that is the last I heard about Nevaeh too. I thought they’d surely find some DNA evidence with her body…something they could use to charge someone. I hate how on all these stories you hear the horrific part about the rapes, the murders, the torture but then they drop the case and you never get to hear if justice is served. THAT is what I’m interested in…the JUSTICE part Dang it all to heck and back! GRRRRRRRR 👿
JB- sleep with one eye open, I’m such a chicken, I had to learn to sleep with both eyes open!
Alex – now THAT would be difficult. Any particular reason you learned to sleep with both eyes open? LOL
Hello JB,
No not really lurking, just getting caught up before I go and check out another possible candidate to berate me while they get me into shape!
Step-mom has issues, Kyron I believe disappeared at her hands!
B*A…HUH? Candidate? Berate you? Get you into shape? WHAT? LOL
Yes, Stepmummy has SERIOUS issues. Poor little Kyron. Best case scenario she had him kidnapped and he’s safe and sound…somewhere. But I can’t figure why she would do that or what she’d gain from him being gone but not dead. I know that sounds horrid. Sorry.
**Speaking of fitness**
Anyone have a pair of those Skechers Shape Ups?
Update on the Caylee Anthony case from wftv.com
NATURALLY, the defense “found” things the FBI missed. Probably the missing fingernail from the Specter case! This just makes me so sick. Excerpt from article below.
“ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. — Lawyers in the case against Casey Anthony wrapped up their examination of evidence Wednesday evening, but they say they’re not done with it yet. Lawyers told WFTV they found things in the evidence that the FBI missed.
Casey’s lawyers want a new round of testing at taxpayer expense. Defense attorney Jose Baez claims his experts have made some discoveries over the last two days and he will to ask Chief Judge Belvin Perry to allow defense testing of the items in question.”
JB… fitness boot camp!
Jb- My mom use to walk with a cane when she first came out and if I was fast asleep and didn’t hear her call me she would manage to get up come over to where I was sleeping and whack me a good one! Don’t know how she thought that was going to get me moving but I actually try not to go to sleep unless there is someone else awake in the house!
I have a pair of bicycle shorts that I wouldn’t be caught dead in. And then there are those leg warmers and leotards….ROFLMAO….yup, even have a couple of Richard Simmons exercise videos…ON VHS none-the-less! 😆
JB, I think he is alive, hidden and it was done to get back at his father. I do NOT buy the postpartum depression at all!
(((Alex, hugs)))
B*A – I HOPE he is alive somewhere. I don’t buy the postpartum depression either. I think she just one f’d up freak of a woman.
Alex – Holy CRAP! Dang! I think I’d sleep with both eyes open AND wearing a suit of armor! HUGS!!!!
JB said,in July 14th, 2010 at 3:53 pm Alex – The way he watches Casey’s backside as she comes and goes I have a feeling what Bozo has been sniffing is worse than the smell of death. He probably offers to laundry her underwear! UGH!
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I did not just read this….
and who could blame him, you could bounce a quarter off that..
Yep JB,
Never had a problem with my weight till now, although in my defense it could be caused by medication {some of the weight}. I will own up to the cookies and cokes. So, I shall see you guys in a bit, I must go to Walmart and get some gear. I’m not disciplined enough to work at it on my own.
Heya Guys!!
m2c – why do I get the feeling we won’t be going to trial in May. Bozo is going to keep clogging up the system with his “demands” until the cows come home. Perhaps his plan is to get Casey a “life sentence” by way of putting off the trial until she (and the rest of us) die from old age! LOL
B*A – 😯 FITNESS? Yikes! Just typing the word makes me want to grab a coke, some ding dongs and light up a cigarette! ROFLMAO
Nothing new in the Haleigh world eh?
OJ – not sure what it is you find so sexy in these criminal chicks OJ! LOL But have at it!
Hey CathyJo – do we have a new grandbaby yet?
B*A – I’ll make you a deal…..you go to Wal-Mart and get fitness gear….I’ll go online and LOOK at some fitness gear. I’m with ya in spirit anyway…now where did I put that Krispy Kremes donut???
No JB,Not yet!! I guess he’s taking his time,
figured I’d check in!
Just keep hoping to come in and see new info!
Hey CJ- How’s your daughter?
Time to go guys! Be good! Hugs!
She’s good Alex,Thank You for asking!!
StIll big,hot,and miserable,LoL
I’ve gotta run myself,lol bbl Taking Dakota to the park!
Ba,
Good luck finding the right guidance, I’m sure you will.
Fitness is a lifestyle change both in excercise and nutrition.
Its hard to start, but if you stick with it over a few weeks you most likely will look forward to it because you will see results and when you do, you will remember what it took to get there and know you can do it.
Skechers shape ups? Won’t hurt but an extra 10 or 15 minutes of walking porbably does the same thing, imo.
Either way, your will-power will be your best friend to making changes, feeling and looking better and living longer.
Thanks everyone for the hugs!
JB- if you go to Freep.com and enter One year later, who killed Neveah Buchahan? you can read an update! They had three SO suspects, two were returned to prison, the third has been pulling his own teeth out, has pornography and Ted Bundy info in his home!
JB @ 4:45pm
I’m hoping Judge Perry won’t let Bozo have an extension. He was very firm about setting the date. And I’d just love for JP to ask him what the heck he did with $350,000 during the first 1/2 years of this case! I would really like to know that. Because it seems Bozo is doing all the work now on the taxpayers’ dime.
Joran vanderkiller has gotten marriage proposals. One of the menendez brothers married a lsdy who , with her child, left her husband for him.
There are people love the jailbird type for some reason. Not sure what that says about them, you can make up your own minds about that. 🙂
Jaba- Will Power, that’s what I need! I have a Nordic Track bike, Proquick wts & an incline trainer, I also have the shake weight, it has to be the will power I’m lacking!
Alex,
There are a lot of motivational tools to use. One just has to pick one that works. That’s hard for a lot of folks.
I’ve trained beginners and they are the hardest to try and help keep on track. I find that I spend extra, non paid time before or after a session, to try and help them pick a motivator to keep them working at it.
It may be music in the ears, or talk radio in the ears to help pass time while you are using a stationery bike or tread mill or walking outside.
Mixing up between fitness options also helps.
On a funny, to me, note, the guy doing the shake weight ad has to be thinking ‘I got and remain in great shape to be some sort of fitness model and look at what I appear to be doing in this shale weight ad’… Bet his buddies rail on him for it. 🙂 he’s probably laughing with a failed smile all the way to the bank.
30 min a day is a huge difference from zero exercise.
I find that ladies need, or should I say benefit more from their husbands support or even joining the same program really helps them stay with it.
You get ‘hot’ they notice.
Ladies and men get embarrased at gyms with really fit people. Just remember those people weren’t, and wouldn’t be so fit if they didn’t stay with it.
Genetics also plays a huge part in the end result. If you don’t have a sports illustrated model figure by nature, you aren’t going to have one. I’m not going to look like george clooney or brad pitt in the face, ever, and that’s ok. There aren’t that many out there that will so I’m in the majority.
Nurtition is also critical. You can go to the gym and work off a 1000 calories in a hard workout, then that night eat pizza and some ice cream and you’ve added back a 1000 in far less time than the workout.
If you burn a 1000 3 days a week and eat smaller, lower fat meals more times a day all week, then. A saturday night ‘binge’ is your reward and won’t destroy your effort. The body starts to burn more fat naturally with more muscle on your frame. I don’t mean kyrons step mom body building muscle, I mean the underlying muscle that in shpe folks develop over time that makes them feel really good about their appearance.
Anywho…let me stop here or I’ll be here all night boring you all. 🙂
I lied…one last thing.
Measuring your heart rate during excercise will help you keep up the effort for fat burning by keeping your heart rate in certain ranges. Hrt rate monitors are failry cheap. U can get one at wal mart.
Make sure your doctor knows about any new training program in case there are reasons that you shouldn’t or need a reduced workout plan for serious medical reasons.
Jaba I’m 5’7″ and weigh 171 pounds, maybe it is that I try to do an hour at a time, if I get interrupted I don’t go back. mom is 5’2″ 101 pounds and she can eat pork chops, mashed potatoes & gravy, broccoli-cheese casserole, a slice of coconut cream pie and nothing, not an ounce. I realize her cancer is part of it but doesn’t explain my gaining weight when I just eat a salad with no dressing and long for her pork chop!
Not trying to be rude but if you write down everything and I do mean everything you eat and drink for a couple of days you may find that you are munching perhaps out of stress. That worked for me and I lost 30 lbs in a few months with moderate exercise and eating less.
I am 5’8″ and went from 160 to 130 which I have been able to maintain for several years but if I do gain a few #’s I cut back immediately until I am comfortable in my jeans.
Alex,
Do not give up or in to it.
Keep going and build on what you’ve done previously. Stay with good, healthy food. If you only drop a few pounds over a long period of time your overall conditioning will help you stave off medical issues and live longer and you will feel better and have more energy to take care of your mom, before she fires you again. 😉
I should not have said if I gain, instead when I gain like around the holidays.
Katie-If I munch on anything in between my cheerios for breakfast, salad for lunch and salad for dinner, any snacking is either carrot or celery sticks. Once a week I have a different breakfast, lunch and dinner, but not on the same day! I drink a cup of black coffee at breakfast and plain tea throughout the day!
Katie,
You make an excellent point on both posts above. Excellent help. 🙂
Jaba- lol- I got fired again today for bringing in a different Physical Therapist. This one didn’t get $5 for cab fare!
Also, please remember that when you replace fat with muscle, muscle is denser and heavier at the same size. An applize sized muscle is heavier than an apple sized piece of fat. So, don’t get all the way caught up in just pounds when you get started or hit a ‘wall’ of weight loss.
Its about how that weight looks. Look at someone like wendy williams, she’s a big girl and for her sizing, she looks great.
Also, who you are and what you do in life for others means more than your looks. If YOU want to change your looks, then its only one things that makes you who you are.
If you are a terrific 200 lb woman, that makes you a better person to have as a friend, family member, co worker, significant other than say a lyndsay lohan who has the natural proportions to look good as society sees it but on the inside she is hating life and I’m sure her friends and aquiantances know it as we do. She is wasting a natural beauty by not being able to control her life.
And, as we get older it does get harder to stay in shape and get into good shape.
Do it for your kids, do it for your spouse, do it for yourself, do it for someone you hate that is in shape. If they can do it, certainly you can. Whatever motivates you to stay with it, use it as a weapon against the enemy of weight. Just my 2 cents.
lurk-mode= off/ Alex, You are an absolute riot! I took care of my mother in her beginning stages of alzhiemers. I remember following her around outside in the dark by flashlight at night while she called for her cat…that was sleeping on the end of her bed. I look back and chuckle now, but at the time… anyway, you are a good soul, and I think your mother knows this to be sure. I can still hear my mother calling, “Ilsa” Ilsa”lol
I’m a size 14 right now but I have a lot of size 12 clothes that I really like. My sons tell me to buy a larger size but some of the clothes aren’t around anymore and I just don’t feel comfortable in jeans that are torn up but sold as new! I like my size 12 jeans and tops!
methinks- it really is funny after you get over the original shock!
Alex,
Use those size 12’s as your fitness goal. Like katie pointed out about her jeans. If you feel good, then that’s all that’s important.
alex-i read your comments on your mother. my mother just passed away after 4 years in nursing home. for 3 yrs she didnt even know her own name. before the home i had her live with me for 8 months. it took a hunk out of my health plus the nursing home was able to give her better care than i. i dont mean that is the way to go but i am not a nurse. she had alzheimers and would be up at 3:00am and take off her diaper. i needed to clean her up then and do the carpet daily. dont ever feel embarrassed. i felt my mom died 4 years ago. she was just a shell of the mother i knew. alex wish i could be as strong as you but do watch your own health for sometimes you cant get it back and i am sure your mom wouldnt want you to do that. imo god bless you
hi everyone.. wow, the kyron homan case is moving quicker than HaLeigh….and this one breaks my heart as well….
Hi Jaba, Alex, and LadySadie…..
It’s amazing to me to watch NG and the difference in her attitude toward Kyron’s mother and how she treated CS. For myself, it’s hard to imagine a mother giving up her child for any reason. I don’t want to get into the politics and right to life bs, just find NG’s attitude amazing. IMO
not alot of knowledge on the law- but many of you point out how the lawyers are doing a injustice to their clients. doesnt that leave an opening later on for appeals? jmo
Thank you boonebronco! I don’t know what state you are in but here in California, the good facilities are full and usually the waiting list is long. Each Nursing home has things that they will or willnot do i.e. some allow IVs while others if you need IV fluids you have to be shipped to another facility. If you want to keep the room then you must pay private rates or you cold pay $50 per day for them to guarantee you the next available bed. Women rooms are usually the hardest to get. My mom was in a NH here and ended up with bedsores, I said never again as long as I can do it. I removed the carpet from our home for the very reason you stated. Also I noticed in the homes here they tend to drug the residents (they’re called residents here not patients) to maintain control, Just from the drugs mom had in the hospital I could see how cloudy her thinking was. Once she came home she was more alert and alive. She has more good days then bad. In 2001, when she first came out they said she only had 6 months to live, I think that would have been true if she was in a NH. Mom has a wonderful medical team that comes to the house and most of the time she is okay with them. It’s mostly the PTs she doesn’t like. I’ve also hired two other people to help me and one of my sons and my niece help out a couple of days a week! But most of the time she wants me, even though she fires me on occasion.
You can only do as much as your health will allow, I have seen children trying to care for their parents and ended up dying in the process! I have a lot of support!
BBN
Sure, they can all claim ineffective counsel at any time. Proving that is always a hard road, especially when you, as a client, have plead no contest or not guilty.
I feel what we know about the exact attorney client relationship and what’s been done for them and why and if the client agreed, is about 50% of what whole story really is. Just like the evidence in Haleighs case and the drug cases.
If I’m wrong, the defendants/prisoners will have the option of invoking their right to appeal.
Hope sykes has an appeal. Not sure when or if it will be heard. She may have dropped it for all I know. I don’t know what the status is at this time.
Jmo
Does anyone know what time Casy’s hearing is tomorrow?
Pleas no contest or Guilty…
..From previous post.
alex – glad you have the support. my sister lived 3 hrs away. we never went any where for 8 months ( i tried to work too). we live in iowa and i got her in a home with no problem. i cant complain about her treatment. small town so many people that cared for her knew her years ago. i wish you the best
Alex, I need to find the time of the Anthony motion trial tomorrow as well, I need to tivo it…. Truly anxious to see if Cindy will act the raving lunatic, will Lee have his normal nervous laughter (which just seems weird, but I do realize it is nerves) Will George show up…… what will be the eye contact with Mom on the stand with Casey, and the same as Lee.. I had said earlier on a post Casey is REQUIRED to be in court, unless it is a status hearing, but someone disagreed..which is okay, however Casey will absolutely be there. If you find the time prior to my hunt Alex, please let me know!!
I have no respect for Kathi Belich after reading how she embellished on the 14 yr old that was trying to find a lost 3 yr. old’s mom… at a Walmart… that entire situation, made me feel ill..
I wish we had some news of HaLeigh, but as time passes I am afraid it will be as the children that go missing everyday… in the news for a bit and then *poof* not another word. So very tragic, so many stories, so few resources.
PS Jaba, are you on the IM forum, I really would like to ask you a few “work out” questions if you don’t mind…
Boonebronco- there is a home here in my town but it is one of the ones that is hard to get a female bed. There are a lot of residents in it that have been there for over forty years. My first nursing job in CA was there! I never could understand why people from LA put there parents all the way up here. They only visit once or twice a year. It is one of the NH that does not do IVs or suction wound care.
Sorry another PS (hah) I think Dr. Lee is also a bit defensive after the Phil Specter brouhaha…… I don’t get how Dr. Lee has any credibility after that fiasco, but there is a lot about our judicial system I just don’t get… ANd yes that includes the insane drug bonds sentencing in the Croslin/Cummings penny-ante dealing charges.
JNet- I have a nephew who has that nervous laugh, so to me it appears to be just that. Now his actions at the memorial service was something else with the “CMA”.
If I find the time before you I will post it!
i believe drugs are bad but i still feel bad about the sentences these people are getting. i watch a movie about the mother that started amber alert. this one so that kidnapped one girl got 5 yrs. ( this was years ago) a so is who has kidnapped a young girl gets 5 yrs these people get 15 or more years. it doesnt sound right. florida needs to do something about it because there jails are going to be full. why dont they go after the big time drug users instead of the small users.
Alex, He certainly (Lee) has vanished from the public eye… I know I have seen people with a nervous laugh, however, not in such a serious situation as your niece missing and your sister being charged with 1st degree murder and looking at the death penalty.
I really thought the Casey’s had found the true family business: Cindy would be the enforcer, George the kind hearted counselor, of course Casey as the attourney since she is going to Andrea Lyons law school, and Lee was the ultimate PI……. unfortunately I read the letters! Only the family ones, people writing to Casey have absolutely nothing to say I would want to read!!!
boone, I agree 100%…… in fact I am sure the peole here are tired of listening to my rants 🙂
ALEX 2pm EST interesting the defense just added a new motion (WFTV website) of exactly what I thought they would…….. when did Cindy Anthony ever smell a dead body???? To assume every nurse has, is a bit disengenous, unless we were living in the 1800’s…. but again JMHO
JNet- it’s 2pm Florida time. I found it on the Orange County Court Website Judicial Automated Calencaring System Criminal Div 99- 7/15/2010
but it says it is in regards to Texas Equusearch!
I didn’t see anything else for Judge Perry.
I thought that even when nursing students had to do the part about dissection on cadavar’s the cadavar’s had been embalmed, so there would be no decomp smell, just the strong smell of the embalming fluid (think about dissecting frogs in high school and multiply by about 100). So even though Cindy is/was a nurse (god help us all if we had to rely on her for our treatment) the chances of her ever actually having “smelled” a decomposing body are just about NIL. And oh yea, George being a cop for what a whole year, the chances of him ever coming across a decomposed body, again, just about NIL.
JNet- She worked for Gentiva, the nurses from Gentiva in CA have definitely smelled decaying flesh if they were assigned to do wound care. I have smelled both and there is not much difference. I would often run into the nurses when investigating elder abuse and they were well trained & dedicated. I would find it hard to believe that Cindy hadn’t gone out to at least one home visit where wound care needed to be done.
I thought Lee & Mallory moved to Miami!
I think Lee and Malory are still in the area, and Lee only travels to Miami when there is a “major event” since that is his job?? fairly certain that is the case, but not positive.
My ex is a doc, a surgeon, and has absolutely no sense of smell due to all the training on cadavers, phemaldehyde… so perhaps he is not the best one to ask however it is his opinion, nurses (unless you are a PA) have limited experience with cadavers and at that the cadavers have been treated with so many chemicals the smell of any actual decomposition would be nil. However he did say diabetes wounds (rotting flesh) and untreated bed sores do have a foul odor, not one that he would relate to flesh decomposition tho. Disclaimer: Again let me state for the past 15 yrs he has had no sense of smell, so he is going by memory!! And a bazillion years of medical school 🙂
Jnet @ 826 pm
Just checking in and saw your note. I’m not on the forum but I’ll promise you this, I’ll be on there by 5pm tomorrow under the same nic and would be more than happy to answer your questions with any info I can help you with concerning diet or exercise or marital arts. If I don’t know the answer, I will try and find it for you.
Not all of us agree on the topics this blog is really made for, but ‘knowing the folks here’ so to speak, I want all of you to be healthy and happy in life.
I’ll pm you when I get signed up and we can go from there. I appreciate you asking for advice I may be able to offer, I really do.
JNet When I did my nurse’s training in New York, Bellevue Hospital, we had to attend autopsies and one of the ones I attended was someone taken out of the East River. That odor will forever be in my memory, a case I had in Sacramento where a 92 year old was locked in her room in a Residential Care Facility Home, brought that smell back. The owner refused to open the room & I called 911 the Paramedics came & thought it was a dead body we were going to find because of the smell. They broke the door down & we found the 92 year old she had a Stage IV wound on her hip and many others in the sacral area. Maybe LVNs wouldn’t know that smell but I find it hard to believe an RN wouldn’t recognize it!
MARTIAL arts, not marital arts ..from prev post.
You all are on your own on marital arts.
🙂
aba said,
in July 14th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Jnet @ 826 pm
Just checking in and saw your note. I’m not on the forum but I’ll promise you this, I’ll be on there by 5pm tomorrow under the same nic and would be more than happy to answer your questions with any info I can help you with concerning diet or exercise or marital arts. If I don’t know the answer, I will try and find it for you.
Not all of us agree on the topics this blog is really made for, but ‘knowing the folks here’ so to speak, I want all of you to be healthy and happy in life.
I’ll pm you when I get signed up and we can go from there. I appreciate you asking for advice I may be able to offer, I really do.
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Am I included? My cat just jumped on the couch at my feet for her massage {my foot moving vigorously about her head} well, my thigh {muscle?} has just locked-up, and I can’t walk it out!
Thanks Jaba I really appreciated your help…. I am trying to keep my questions to you off this site, as I don’t want to upset anyone!! Like I said being married to a cardio-vasc-thor surgeon I know more about diet/nutrition that I would ever admit……. however it would be very nice to talk to you about workouts. Talk to you tomorrow and again thank you so very much!!
Jaba- the martial arts may heelp us with the marital issues!
http://audio.thesky973.com/m/audio/32593804/det-domminick-pape-with-fdle.htm
he didn’t say much
Ba,
Of course, of course, of course!!!
I’d be glad too, really I would. 🙂
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Jnet,
My dad has had an angioplasty and a triple bypass performed by God-like(not God almighty but u know what I mean) surgeons and is alive because of them. I can’t imagine what its like to have such a skill. Wow, r u kidding me? U know a live saver? They are amzing people and I mean that with all that I am. 🙂
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Ps. I apologize for being so off topic tonight. The case has slowed and I hope u understand. 🙂
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Ba/jnet- I’ll pm you my email and/or phone number and we can discuss fitness. I’m sure it goes without saying, but please keep it between us so I don’t have to answer calls from the crazies out there, myself included. 🙂
jaba I set up a new thread “off topic” with you in the title…… so you can find us.
Again let me apologize for posting these comments if I have offended anyone in any way.
Thank You, Jaba!
I am cent in the pm dept!
I didn’t check to see if this was posted already. It can happen!!
**Clipped from CNN**
Missing girl found after almost 7 years
A California girl who had been missing for almost seven years was found Wednesday by police in Phoenix, Arizona, authorities said.
The girl had just turned a year old when she was abducted in September 2003.
She had been in the care of foster parents in Norwalk, California, when she was snatched by three of her aunts, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County sheriff’s Norwalk Station said.
Two of the aunts were caught at the time. The third got away with the child, said sheriff’s spokesman Bill Evans.
The girl then somehow ended up with a family in Phoenix that had no relation to her biological family, authorities said.
Authorities got a tip that the girl could be at a home in Phoenix and went there with a court order Wednesday afternoon.
When investigators tried to serve the court order, they found that a woman in the home had hidden the child in a shower under a pile of clothes and towels, said Phoenix police Sgt. Trent Crump.
The girl’s identity had been changed, including her name and date of birth, police said.
“The child was in good physical condition; however, very frightened about today events. She had also been withheld from schooling,” Crump said.
Her real identity was confirmed through footprints, photographs and DNA swabs, police said.
The child, who is now 7, is in state custody in California and prosecutors will file charges, Crump said.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/15/missing-girl-found-after-almost-7-years/
Good morning, Everyone!
JNet said,in July 14th, 2010 at 11:28 pm jaba I set up a new thread “off topic” with you in the title…… so you can find us.
Again let me apologize for posting these comments if I have offended anyone in any way.
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Gosh, no! Not offended! And it’s a great topic to have its own thread in the forum! Great idea, JNet!
vaquera said,
in July 14th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
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Cases of this type take time? What the heck! A little girl came up missing. Players are all a bunch of uneducated, pill poppers, and yet the educated, highly trained, intelligent, best of the best in LE, can’t seem to solve the “mystery” after nearly a year and a half?
All of LE that has been involved in this case should be ashamed of themselves. And if it turns out to be TC that did this, then it is on LE’s shoulders. TC should have been leaned on from the start as one of the last people to see Haleigh.
IMO, Pape needs to go back to his office and keep pushing a pencil because he certainly doesn’t seem capable of working out in the field.
Alexandria Loring said,in July 14th, 2010 at 10:18 pm JNet When I did my nurse’s training in New York, Bellevue Hospital, we had to attend autopsies and one of the ones I attended was someone taken out of the East River.
Same here, Alex. I did my training in Elmira NY and we were also required to attend autopsies. A couple of the ones I attended were on cadavers that had been out in the elements for several days. One, a child that had drowned in the river, and one a hunter who had a heart attack out in the woods.
The smell was overpowering, and definitely one you cannot ever forget or mistake for rotting food.
jaba said,in July 14th, 2010 at 6:30 pm Also, please remember that when you replace fat with muscle, muscle is denser and heavier at the same size. An applize sized muscle is heavier than an apple sized piece of fat. So, don’t get all the way caught up in just pounds when you get started or hit a ‘wall’ of weight loss.
Its about how that weight looks. Look at someone like wendy williams, she’s a big girl and for her sizing, she looks great.
Also, who you are and what you do in life for others means more than your looks. If YOU want to change your looks, then its only one things that makes you who you are.
If you are a terrific 200 lb woman, that makes you a better person to have as a friend, family member, co worker, significant other than say a lyndsay lohan who has the natural proportions to look good as society sees it but on the inside she is hating life and I’m sure her friends and aquiantances know it as we do. She is wasting a natural beauty by not being able to control her life.
And, as we get older it does get harder to stay in shape and get into good shape.
Do it for your kids, do it for your spouse, do it for yourself, do it for someone you hate that is in shape. If they can do it, certainly you can. Whatever motivates you to stay with it, use it as a weapon against the enemy of weight. Just my 2 cents.
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Jaba, that is probably the sweetest comment a man could ever give. :)I agree it matters more what is in the inside than the voluptuous curves on the outside. I personally like my curves and believe curves are bringing sexy back!!!!!!!
Ba/jnet…
I signed up a bit ago and logged in but couldn’t pm yet. I’ll await approval and try again later today. Take care. 🙂
Granny23- Never had to attend an autopsy on a child, thank God, that had to be heartbreaking! Never attended an autopsy on an embalmed person either! Maybe NY training is different then other states.
boonebronco- Mom is enrolled in the Medicare Program, P A C E, if not for it I could not afford the Team she has!I also took advantage of Respite Care when we redid the floors, she stayed in a Private Room for two days at the
NH in town.
vaquera- thanks for the info on Domminick Pape!
Good Morning Everyone! Looking forward to hearing from Cindy & Lee today!
I just stopping in this morning to catch up on the cases …. sad that their has been no new movement in HaLeighs case.
I have missed everyone and hope that everyone is well and enjoying their summer .
Jaba- I have my size 12 jeans hanging up in front of my exercise bike and I was able to do 15 minutes this morning!
Hi texasmommy39!
morning Alex 🙂
How tall are you Alex?
5’7″
hmmmm I bet you look great!!!!!!!! I am jealous of those extra inches.LOL they do make a difference on those curves.
Morning,
Are we starting fitness class this morning or afternoon? I’ve had another night with insomnia and am afraid I might conk-out!
I threw out my back so I’ll watch from here LOL.
BY the way Good morning cent! 🙂
Texasmommy39- ROFLMAO- curves? my sister calls me thunder thighs! She’s 5’6″ and 118 lbs. Eats everything, she could eat a large slice of cake or pie after dinner and still have room for ice cream and I gain the weight. Sometimes I think veggies aren’t good for me!lol
Good-morning TexasM,
I see Jaba’s post about this afternoon… good! Maybe I can get a nap in.
Ladies,
We better drop this and go pm later today before someone gets irritated about our posts. I’m cool with it but I don’t want anyone getting upset at me hijacking the more important cases we have in front of us. You know? That way we can avoid any problems for those that don’t care to read this stuff.
Having said that, I’ll end this line of talk with this:
Tm,
I agree. I’ve been lucky to date pretty girls. Some of them so shallow it was a beating being around them for any length of time. Then there are the ones who have it all, looks and character. I landed one with both and a tolerance for a mouthy, opinionated guy like me. She’s mouthy too so it works. 🙂
Look at beyonce, class, curves and talent. Look at kim kardashian. I’m sure she’s a sweetheart, but I just don’t see much ‘talent’. Sex tapes aren’t talent though I MAY have seen a short clip, I said MAY have. 🙂
Inside and outside, just like guys, you should look for both. Money is good too, unless you land mel gibson…you think his latest girl would like a ‘do-over’?
Alex,
15? Your mom can do 15 based on her spunkiness. Give me another 30 and I’ll stand up and ckap for you. 🙂
Ba,
We’ll figure a way to get a class going by proxy for ladies who are interested. How about that?
Jaba- lol, if she’d stop calling me, I might be able to stay on longer. Most of the time she just wants me to feed the cat, who by the way, is also slim and eats like a pig!
Good morning! Did everyone see that JNet very thoughtfully created a Fitness thread in the Forum with Jaba’s name in the title?
So sorry if I’ve offended anyone by mentioning it.
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WhyLie @6:36 am – I agree with you and I think Vaq does, too. I think Vaq’s comment was summing up in a nutshell what LE said in the interview.
(Please correct me if I’m wrong, Vaq!)
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Granny, Alex and JNet:
About C and G and the smell. They both said themselves that they knew what dead bodies smelled like (her because she was a nurse and him because he was a cop). George said that TO LE. So the prosecution is not assuming anything about their training or experience.
I think this is another in a long line of instances of C and G shooting off their mouths and then trying to take back their own words.
Also I don’t believe the smell is what the prosecution is after with the 911 calls. Or it’s not the only thing. The prosecution may want to establish that this is when the “Zanny did it” story originated.
As far as wftv reporter Kathi Belich is concerned, I don’t know about any other cases she’s covered but she’s done right by Caylee as far as I’m concerned. She’s asked the hard questions from the beginning. The anthonys were treated with kid gloves on national shows like GMA etc. and Baez by Geraldo (as examples). Only a local reporter like KB has asked the hard questions from the beginning and that’s why the Defense camp hates her.
They want to use the media to make money and to spread their propaganda. She’s a bit of a hindrance to their being 100% successful and that’s fine with me.
JNet, I think you mentioned you were unhappy with KB about another case and I understand that. But I’m very grateful for what she’s doing for Caylee.
M2c,
I’m trying to get off and go there to get out of the way. Sorry for the delay in doing that. u r correct in directing us there. No problemo. 🙂
Jaba it sounds like you got lucky! Beauty, brains and a easy going temperment is a rarety. Now if you get a women that likes to hunt and fish you just hit the jackpot. I should stop tooting my own horn ….LMAO.
jaba @ 8:12 am – I understand. These things take time and sort of evolve. Please remember to leave bread crumbs and those of us still here will help direct folks your way!
Well, its a countdown as to who’s going to get what in the Court Room.. And nothing much to do about nothing, but run through the mental list of questions that still have no answers.
1. Does anyone know what time of day, Hank Sr. and Timmy were in the car wreck, on Saturday, February 7th, 2009?
2. If Misty were at the house that day – all day, why did she have to be concerned about her not having a key to the house, especially the back door? She had given them back to ron the week before? Gosh heard that out of her mouth in a conversation with her Dad.
3. If it was normal for ron or misty to leave the kids home alone at night when the kids were asleep, why wasn’t that brought out over a year ago, instead of waiting for Hank Sr. to open up and tell about his phone conversation with ron, the wed night prior?
4. How would anyone who associated with ron and family, not know who Junior was? Nor had ever seen or met him?
5. Exactly, what did the AC man say about arriving at ron’s house that monday evening?
6. Exactly, how many witness’s from the school bus actually saw Haleigh, and why so many different descriptions about what car she got into with whom, and her demeanor? Happy, Sad?
I do believe I have come to a conclusion as to the Deputy at Tommy’s house that night.. But the signal 8 she was looking for.. was confused with the second signal 8 that had just been called in.. No one ever said the Female Deputy was looking for an 8 year old, so maybe she was looking for a 17 year old…
There is no cover up here.. Just two calls that crossed, but Who made the first call? And why were they looking for the 17 year old?? If I am right, then PCSO knew from prior to arriving to Green Ln, that misty was not there earlier. They knew from the beginning she was lying and making up her story as she went.. Maybe Tommy did go down to the house at ten looking for misty, maybe he wasn’t aware of where she was, after all their was a call made to tommys phone at ten o’clock, and lasted 7 seconds.. And we do have a witness that heard the vehicle drive in between 2:00 and 2:30am, loud motor, stopped and then drove off, and the witness said, “I always thought that someone drove in an just dropped misty off”..
Somehow that begins to fit.
I listened to the tape again and misty was saying, “I called and called ron and he never answered and I opened up the front door and he was there.” Funny thing, thats the only thing that actually came out as a Truth in the voice analysis, “I called ron to come home.”
Well, thats my way of staying mentally busy on the Haleigh gone missing, while I wait for the trials to begin.. Wonder where they would find a 12 person jury in Putnam, that has never heard about, or formed an opinion about “The Drug Bust?”
I think today’s hearing in the Caylee Anthony case is at 2:00 and should be aired live on the net at
wftv and other places. I’ll keep checking on that.
Originally it was scheduled only for the TES records issue. Then the defense added the 911 calls (during Judge Perry’s vacation, I think) and then at the last minute added on their latest motion to not allow the release of the list of evidence that the defense requested to inspect this past Tues and Wed.
I wonder if all of that will be okay with Judge Perry? I know he wants to move things along.
Personally I don’t know why these two new issues weren’t dealt with before and it’s just unbelievable that Bozo still wants ALL the records and personal info on TES’s 4,000 searchers (and is asking for the THIRD time!)
Well back to the case….as stagnant as it has become it is a little easy for us to get OT. IMO it has actually given us insight into one another and has developed some great online friendships.
WHERE IS HALEIGH?
It seems to be the only thing we have not been able to find out.
mlee- I was always under the impression Misty was gone until February 8.
Everyone, I signed up again for the forum, I think this time it took. My nic is Alex.
tm39 – That’s true and it can still be done on the Off-topic thread on the Forum that Jan and Simon created for the purpose.
And I clearly remember a particular incident when you wanted to discuss the case at a time when others were talking off topic and you spoke up about it. There was a heck of a hullabaloo at the time.
I am not advocating a hard line here. Just a balance – something within reason – if that can be found – for two reasons. We’ve had times when someone has visited the blog and left again because people were busy discussing recipes or whatever. And other times when people have left a comment about the case that was missed and/or ignored because people were so caught up in their off-topic chat. It does happen.
Jan is great to let us talk off-topic here. Some boards don’t allow it at all. But she’s also set up another place in an effort to accommodate the most people possible. I appreciate that.
Baez making the request for the 3rd time for the TES records makes him like very desperate for a new fall guy or gal.
texasmommy- yesterday JB had mentioned the Neveah Buchanan case, they actually had 3 suspects but it’s over a year now and no progress in solving it.
Katie – I agree. He’s fishing. And he’s such a sleazebag I wouldn’t put it past him to find someone to blackmail into lying for him. I really hope he puts one of his pointy toed Italian shoes in the wrong cow patty one day and gets disbarred. He has NO respect for the law or the courts.
Katie – I agree. He’s fishing. And he’s such a sleazebag I wouldn’t put it past him to find someone to blackmail into lying for him. I really hope he puts one of his pointy toed Italian shoes in the wrong cow patty one day and gets disbarred. He has NO respect for the law or the courts.
m2c said,in July 14th, 2010 at 5:19 pm JB @ 4:45pm
Hey m2c – yeah, I hope Perry puts a stop to Bozo’s circus act. Enough already. Get the show on the row. And YES, it is time for them to account for the money spent thus far! SHOW ME THE MONEY! 😀
As far as the discussions of the smell of death. ITA. Both G and C STATED CLEARLY they knew the smell of death. Too late to take that back now. If they try, I hope LE busts them on it!
Heck, the smell of a dead animal (roadkill) is very recognizable. I’ve never heard ANYONE that has smelled roadkill say…”Hmmmmm, I wonder if that is a rotting pizza I smell?”. They say “WHAT DIED?!” because almost EVERYONE has smelt something dead before. From what I understand, the human decomp smell is much the same but sweeter smelling and overwhelmingly strong. I don’t think it would be a real stretch for ANYONE to figure out what the smell was. Death…whether it be a mouse behind your stove, roadkill or a dead body has a very distinct smell to it and not one you confuse for anything else.
m2c said,in July 15th, 2010 at 8:42 am tm39 – That’s true and it can still be done on the Off-topic thread on the Forum that Jan and Simon created for the purpose.
And I clearly remember a particular incident when you wanted to discuss the case at a time when others were talking off topic and you spoke up about it. There was a heck of a hullabaloo at the time.
I am not advocating a hard line here. Just a balance – something within reason – if that can be found – for two reasons. We’ve had times when someone has visited the blog and left again because people were busy discussing recipes or whatever. And other times when people have left a comment about the case that was missed and/or ignored because people were so caught up in their off-topic chat. It does happen.
Jan is great to let us talk off-topic here. Some boards don’t allow it at all. But she’s also set up another place in an effort to accommodate the most people possible. I appreciate that.
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I totally agree 😉 I was not trying to keep it off topic just wanting to say I do not think weight defines a person; it is what is in the inside that matters. I am on the forum as well and will take advantage off it in the future. I have not been able to follow the case in a few weeks and am in the dark as to new developements; even though I have a feeling I have missed nothing of importance, I still would love to hear the updates though.LOL
m2c- I’m probably the worst offender, but I figured out the forum now!
Katie- ita, Baez is looking for a scapegoat!
mlee – it sure would help if we had access to things like phone records and statements LE has taken instead of so little info and so much rumor and talk.
About whether Haleigh got off the bus – is that what you are questioning? IF it’s true that the school was getting on R about her absences then that means they take attendance and the school would know if she was there or not. I don’t question that.
As for the witnesses at the bus stop – witnesses are notoriously wrong even when describing the same situation, person, car etc. According to LE long ago they were satisfied that R picked her up. But now can we trust LE?
About M calling R, her first story was she was about to call or just started to call, opened the MH door and he was pulling into the drive. At least LE will have records on what calls were placed and when. ( I hope!)
Alex – thank for the link info about Nevaeh. I hadn’t been able to find ANYTHING about the case. I hope they nail the creep that did this!
Alex, no! You’re a dear. And no one’s “offending!” Like I said there is no hard line. Some off-topic comments are fine – Jan said so.
It’s just a matter of figuring out a way to accommodate everyone. IMO that’s what friends do.
I seriously doubt Ron would call Hank Sr to go with him looking for Misty. Ron knew where Misty was. He knew she was with Nay Nay. He knew her friends, probably better then Hank did. If Ron wanted to know where Misty was all he had to do was check at Tommy’s, Timmy’s, or Nay Nay’s. No need to get Hank to go hunt her down with him.
As far as the loud vehicle that was allegedly heard going into the community that night, I had read many, many, many months ago, at the very beginning of the case, a local had made that statement on WS.
That poster also said at the time that a neighbor also heard and saw the vehicle. The info was given to LE, and apparently led no where. Oh I might add that the story morphed a bit, with no more mention of somebody else actually seeing the “loud” vehicle.
texasmommy- you are absolutely right, you missed nothing of importance.
Though in the Caylee case it may be interesting today!
Alex that case you mentioned is heart breaking. I do hope they get and convict that monster that did that to that precious child.
tm39 – I understand. It seems like not much has happened except juggling and rearranging of sentencing dates. Plus T whining about his cell and being questioned without a lawyer. So far I don’t know if he’s got a different cell or will be sent back to PCSO but the other matter seems to have been settled.
EEEWWWWW that MONSTER gets way to much attention. I wish that case would end with her behind bars for life; along side her mother!
I am going to get off this computer for a little while….my back can’t take no more of this sitting up. My heating pads calling me. TTYL
JB- you’re welcome, I totally forgot about her until you said something, it’s so sad how not all the children get the coverage that Caylee’s case does!
m2c- I shouldn’t take up space talking about my mom. fair is fair!
jaba- my son said I should start exercising when my arthritis starts to kick in, then I’ll be stuck on the bike until someone can unclamp my hands. lol
Alex, please don’t stop talking about your mom. In fact I think it’s an important and healthy thing for you to do – including receiving the support of the folks here.
Maybe the thing to do is post something like – “you won’t believe what happened yesterday!” And then tell the whole story on the OT thread. That way people will know to look for it and can continue to talk about it there! Just a thought!
Alex,
I see no reason for you to apologize for discussing your mother openly here… especially if it helps to get you through the day/night!
WhyLie @ 9:03 am – I agree about Hank’s tale about R. Hank Sr was mad at R and told several negative stories about him – every chance he got. I don’t trust Hank at all.
Good morning everyone, All that talk about fitness and exercise sent me directly to the grandchildrens cupcake drawer…two cupcakes later, and two cups of coffee and I now have a belly full of guilt!!! thanks guys. chuckle
My neighbor recently gave me a treadmill, ( a very nice one too) I stepped on it, and damn near split myself in half. yikes. My backyard joins a walking path. I think thats my ticket if I want to continue walking at all. Good luck to everyone motivated (myself included) enough to follow through. This two ton tilly will try too. I will be the lady on the walking path with the computer chair stuck to her butt! lol
Ahhh! Me “pink panther” thinks… morning.
methinks – ROFLMAO – thanks for the giggle…picturing you with the computer chair stuck to your butt on the walking trail! Sheeeewww doggies, that was funny!
I’m eager to see how red in the face bozo gets today. Cindy too, It should be a realllly goood show! I love watching Judge perry reduce bozos self image to sheeet. good humor. can’t wait.
(((Mcent15)))top o the mornin! JB, Yes I do get a few good laughs at my own expense! lol
B*A got me thinking about the workout videos I had so last night I dug through them (most were VHS which does me no good) but I found a couple on DVD. I was sitting on the couch watching one of them when my 15 yo son walked by…..he stopped and watched me watching the video and said….”Are you trying to lose weight in your eyeballs? If not, you might try actually doing the exercises with them!” I fell off the couch laughing. B*A…see what you started!
methinks- too funny! Need to capture it for America’s funniest videos.
Jb, That visual kind of reminds me of the cartoon of the fat lady with her cat between her buttcheeks calling “Here kittie kittie” Now thats humorous! Ever see that cartoon?
Oh, can’t wait for Cindy to have a meltdown. Those devil eyebrows of hers will be working double time today! I can already picture her with her bulging eyes, teeth gritted when she talks, otherwise chomping non-stop on her cud, I mean on gum, eyebrows darting up and down, sweaty armpits, a bottle of “water” close by (I wonder if LE has ever tested her “water” to see what is REALLY in that bottle? LOL
Oh yes, I cannot wait! Let the games begin.
JB< LOL!
JB – That’s exactly right. I’ve bought many fitness videos over the years, brought them home and watched them. Same with the books! I sit and read them front to back! None of them worked!
What a rip-off! 🙂
Morning, methinks!
One of my pet peeves about Bozo is that he just cannot bring himself to address Judge Perry as “Your Honor.” 99% of the time he says, “judge.” He has no respect for the court at all. Why he’s in this profession is beyond me. Actually, no it’s not. It’s the money, suits, shoes, TV appearances and one day a boat like Geraldos! LOL!
Alex, Yes.. video would be great,if I won the ten grand, I could just buy a new body!
JB, I don’t think Judge Perry is going to allow the cow to have her cud or her water trough with her today. He doesn’t even seem to allow water for the lawyers and I think he should allow that since they are talking a lot.
We’ll have to wait and see!
JB-ROFLMAO- I wish we could lose wt that way! Sadly it’s not my eyeballs that need help!
JB, It woould save florida taxpayers alot of money if her water bottle were exchanged for caseys clorophorm bottle!
JB… out of the mouths of babes!!! I see we have triggered a fitness fest !!
methinks – no, never seen the cartoon but got the mental image! ROFLMAO…thanks again for another laugh. Should be a day full of giggles. I hope Perry mops up the floor with Bozo and his merry band of trolls!
In a perfect world Cindy would come completely unglued and start ranting at Casey who would jump over the defense table to attack Cindy. Geo and Lee would jump up and try to break up the fight between Casey and Cindy only to get cold cocked and knocked unconscious. Cindy and Casey would pull each other’s hair, scratch at each other’s eyes, rip at each other’s clothes and try to strangle each other in their fits of rage. Bozo would take a couple of shots to the face as he tries to save his client from her mother’s wrath.
Yup, in my little world, THAT would be a perfect day! Hee Hee Hee.
JB< YES!!! justice served…case closed.
methinks-ROFLMAO- you’ll have to makeseveral sequels because I think it costs over 6 million for a new body! Or is that for a man? lol
methinks-ROFLMAO- you’ll have to makeseveral sequels because I think it costs over 6 million for a new body! Or is that for a man? lol
Alex – yeah, my eyeballs are just fine too…but hey, it was worth a try. I’m sure I burned a few calories when I fell into the floor laughing, right?
methinks – Oh, now that would be priceless. The Prosecutor should ask Cindy if she’s thirsty and then hand her that Gatorade bottle and say “oops, wrong one…sorry”. LMAO!
m2c – I agree water should be available to the attorneys…and really even the witnesses. But the gum needs to go! And maybe they could duct tape Cindy’s eyebrows in a not so threatening position! Hee Hee
Alex, shoot if I won ten grand on a video, I’d prolly justgo dine on crabcakes and steak! to hello with this 50 year old body…humming all the way to the candy cupboard…hehe
JB roflmao, I can see the media scattering for a better view!
Do you think George will be there today?
yep duct tape cindys eyebrows and caseys air supply…now theres some justice.
It ain’t over till I sing…
methinks-lol!
Does anyone think Casey will look at Cindy today? In all the other hearings she has done her best to avoid contact with either Cindy or George!
I would like to see a stare down. They can both shoot some deadly looks. Who do you think would win?
Georgie should steer clear of the courtroom. Perhaps he should go on a “river cruz” chuckle
methinks- Cindy, though that day when Casey lost it, saying she was not in control, it sure shut Cindy up!
Alex, I remember that. Those were the days when I almost had a shred of sympathy left for cindy. She was so desperate, my heart alligned (spellcheck) with hers for a moment/ a minute.
methinks- it makes you wonder which one was really in control! Even now, I believe Casey is controlling the family!!!!
I think Casey will have to look at Cindy. Cindy and Geo have always been behind Casey so it was easier to avoid….but this time will be different. This will be our glimpse at what the trial will look like. Conman will probably be shouting “I object” before they ask Cindy a single question. Idiot. They need to duct tape that man’s mouth shut too. Heck, duct tape for everyone! Put it over Casey’s mouth and nose, tape Geo’s tear ducts shut, tape down Cindy’s eyebrows, tape Bozo’s smirking trap shut, and duct tape Lee’s hands behind his back so he can’t kiss his wrist…ugh, creepy freakazoid…gives me the willies.
Alex, ITA I think the only one she isn’t in control of is thankfully Judge Perry. I often wonder what would happen to her if she did find a loophole and walk. Where would she walk to? Cindy would be going on trial for murder then. I couldn’t imagine supporting her if she walked out of jail. She’s safer where she is.
JB, Now thats some funny sheet!LOL
Just checkin in for a bit,I dunno why people have such a problem with any posts as long as Jan doesn’t,with the imo,or without it!
We have all been here for over a year and why it bothers some bloggers that we discuss different things is beyond me! I just don’t get it,and creating an article so people can leave here and go to too get things straight is ridiculous at best!
I don’t remember Jan having moderators?? hmmmm
Sorry,but thats my 2 cents,and its also why people don’t take the time to come in anymore!
Alex,I would listen anyday to what you go through with your mother! yall have listened to mine,LoL
Now,I can’t wait to hear the about LA and SINdy!
Hey CathyJo – well said. So do we have a new grandson yet?
JB,Nooooooooo!! shew i cannot wait,my nerves are frazzled waiting!!
Thanks!!
Alex – I would think Geo would be there for Cindy’s sake…..she keeps him on a pretty short leash. She’ll need someone to spew at once she comes off the stand and he’s her favorite whipping post! LOL
JB,If i were SINdy,I’d shave those evil eyebrows and paint some pretty smiley ones on there!!
CathyJo – well, babies come when they’re ready and not a minute before. Hang in there! He’ll be here soon enough! Those little buns in the oven know when it is time to make their appearance. And anyway, you don’t want him to be half-baked! LOL
My husband just walked in and asked me whatI was on….I answered “Your team”! and the computer. He’s a funny little man. God love him. You guys have started a great day! thanks fer’ the chuckles and the CA update! Saturday night live could have a field day with this case. Lisa simson could play casey Marge simson could play cindy John goodman could play bozo…and hmm the list goes on.
HalfBaked?? Well,he’d look like me then,rofl
He’s 8 days away from being due too JB!
She called 2 nights ago and said Mom,I feel funny,it’ll be tonight,rofl here i sit frazzled with 3 twigs of hair left!
CathyJo – yes, SINdy’s eyebrows are VERY frightening. She looks angry ALL the dang time. They seem to come alive and have personalities all their own when she really gets going. Maybe we should name them! LOL Maybe we could call them Cain and Able….at least then one of them would kill the other one off! LMAO
JB said,in July 15th, 2010 at 10:01 am Oh, can’t wait for Cindy to have a meltdown. Those devil eyebrows of hers will be working double time today! I can already picture her with her bulging eyes, teeth gritted when she talks, otherwise chomping non-stop on her cud, I mean on gum, eyebrows darting up and down, sweaty armpits, a bottle of “water” close by (I wonder if LE has ever tested her “water” to see what is REALLY in that bottle? LOL
Oh yes, I cannot wait! Let the games begin.
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I didn’t see this when i posted mine JB!
My grandson even says her eyebrows are evil!! rofl
methinks – yes, you guys do start my day off with a smile! HUGS TO ALL!
CathyJo – you better hang onto those last twigs of hair you have left…you’ll need them when this one becomes a teenager! LOL
CathyJo @ 10:40
Jan and Simon created the Forum so that we would have a place to talk about other cases and all kinds of other things including personal stuff. If you are not pleased with that, you should complain to Jan.
And I am not “telling” people what they have to do.
I’m letting people know the Forum is there and I am suggesting that we use it. “Suggesting” is not the same thing as “telling.” A person who makes a suggestion is not a moderator.
I also made it clear that this is not an all or nothing situation. Certainly some off-topic is fine here. Jan said so. But sometimes that privilege is abused. For example, long conversations or constant comments on other topics during which comments on topic are ignored. If the shoe was on the other foot, how would you feel about that?
And that turns off people – regulars and newbies and passersby – who are here for the topic of the article. Those of us on the board right now are not the only people interested in these children and this is one of the few places on the web where people can talk about their cases.
Don’t she know she looks like that?? My gosh,surely somebodys told her before,G wouldn’t but somebody??? LoL
JB, How about Cain and enable? Hey cathijo! Don’t rush it…the day may come when ya wanna shove em back in there! lol
CathyJo – LOL – yes, Cindy’s eyebrows are a force to be reckoned with and one of my favorite past-times is making fun of them! Until Cindy came along I always thought Jack Nicholson won the scary eyebrow award….but I think Cindy even has HIM beat! LOL
True M2,But you are a blogger the same as I am,And I would never do that to people,and thats all I’m saying,it makes people very uncomfortable!
It would be compared to me allowing my next door neighbor to tell me what to do M2,We are all grownups and no one should act as if they have authority over the others,you push to hard and I simply don’t get it m2?? Thats all!!
methinks – Cain and enable! ROFLAMO Now THAT is funny! You are VERY quick witted! You are definitely on a roll today! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
Okay one more and then back to topic…or the kitchen for a snack. Cindys eyebrows do take on a life of their own…like catarpillars, or worms….hairy snarly worms.
JB,Theres no one even close to satans mother,she wins everytime!
methinks – yes there are days when I want to shove my son back and then I look at all 6 ft of him and I think better of that idea! LOL OUCH!
m2c I must agree with you. I was here a few months over a year ago and got tired of the excessive personal posts and endless, useless posts. I came by today just to see if there was any news on the Anthony hearing today. Will it be live on the web?
Thanks Jb…I has me days!
Hi CathyJo! Hope you’re daughter is keeping cool!
Yea but not me Alex,frazzled,LoL I can take it though,LoL
Yup…As hard as it is to believe, it’s much easier to push them out than shove em back in. hehe
Yes M2,Its ok to suggest it but don’t keep pounding on it! Don’t have a problem with suggesting but I have heard many complaints about it so I wanted to try and help you as you did me,Thanks!!
CathyJo63 said,in July 15th, 2010 at 10:57 am True M2,But you are a blogger the same as I am,And I would never do that to people,and thats all I’m saying,it makes people very uncomfortable!
Some bloggers are more considerate of the topic of the blog than others. No one is telling anyone what to do, just pointing out that the blog has a topic not “general BS”.
Some bloggersa are actually interested in the case and not here to listen to endless BS.
Mrs C, Sorry for the jokes and such. sometimes it’s the only way to cope with these senseless tragedies. Yes I think InSession will carry it live. They usually do.
I see it only as a problem when there is actual news on the topic. Since there is so little to talk about on the case I dont see it as a problem. We just get to know each other better and become more friendly by talking. Share the love its good for everyone. Talk with ya all later. jmo
CathyJO… whatever you do… do NOT call this Mrs.C person a (((troll)))
GoodAfternoon everyone.
I finally caught up on all of the post.
M2c I am in total agreement of your views on the Anthony case.
Good too see you Texasmommy. Hope all is well.
I keep hoping that today will be the day when I click on here to BNN to see the headline that the mystery of what happened to Haliegh has truely been solved and those responsible charged.
BAC good luck on your fitness program.
Tobias, I had also wondered why Ron wanted to be sentenced after M&T.
Right Tobias,When theres news we do talk about it!
CathyJo63 said,in July 15th, 2010 at 10:40 am Sorry,but thats my 2 cents,and its also why people don’t take the time to come in anymore!
You got that right your 2 cents turns into 200 dollars and is the main reason so many have left, including me. I will find the Anthony hearing myself, thank you.
Thanks for the hit-n- run Tobias! Have a wonderful day! Your absolutely right. When there is no new news…all thats left is endless bs. I guess.
Not Me Adams,LoL Gotcha,rofl
But Hello MrsC
WHOA! buzzkill. sorry.
Hey Tobias – good to see ya! Drop by later! Haven’t really gotten to chat with ya much lately.
Mrs C – sorry if we offended. We’ve all gotten to be “buddies” through these cases and we sometimes get off topic because we DO know one another through this blog. Keeps us close. We welcome you here and hope you will post more often.
2:00 can’t get here fast enough for me. I hope someone brings some Holy water and a cross. If SINdy says anything that rubs Casey the wrong way, we may see her levitate, her head spin and pea soup spewing from her mouth! LOL
LFJ, thanks! I got geared up with a few items of suitable clothing, yesterday! Part of my motivation is the 6 prs of shoes I ordered/received last week!! Wanna be steady when walking in stilettos!
I don’t really think anyone has to listen to anything they don’t want to, they can just skip it! Some bloggers here have chosen not to read what others here say because they disagree with an opinion on the case and that’s fine but it doesn’t mean either of them should stop blogging!
Also this blog is Haleigh, Caylee & Zach! But we pick and choose what we want to talk about. I really like this blog because we have been able to share things, in fact LadySadie had given me a wonderful suggestion that has made things a lot more pleasnt for both my mom & me!
Okay Jb… pea soup or hunnybuns! lol
JB-lol, I only have to wait until 11am!
LOL!!!! JB. Good to see you.
Alex I agree with your post.
Like I said before, a story that is shared just might be someone’s saving grace! I for one will NOT apologize for sharing/reading/commenting on it!!
Hello methinks. I have been busy the last couple of days. It took me awhile too catch up.
Good too see you.
Agree Alex!
Amen! BAC.
Now thats a good way of looking at it Adams,I Confur!! lol
I think it will air @ 1:00pm here in good ol minnesota. My tummy is alittle sore from laughing, or that deadly breakfast I ate…must go find some diet pepto. chuckle
Now thats a good way of looking at it Adams,I Concur!! lol
Hi lfj & b*a !
LFJ!!!!! HUGS! (hope this won’t offend MrsC) 😯
B*A – spot on.
Alex – well, when the circus does start, I believe it will well be worth waiting for. Got my microwave popcorn all ready to go. 😀
Concur’ and widh i had a fur maybe,j/k
methinks- diet pepto- lol
Hey looking! good to see you as well!
I dunno why people say trolls are bad,they are useful sometimes too,LoL
morning ladies..
just to set the record straight..
115 pounds (or less) is the perfect weight for a woman, imvho
ummm JB…POPCORN!
Diet pepto,ewwww if its worse than regular,yucky!!
All that butter talk will get to the ladies here,
Myself I’m on a seafood diet,see food,I eat it rofl
OJ< okay how bout 215 and jb will throw in the popcorn? No? 115 is alittle thin…I haven’t been that thin since…uh er…uh I haven’t been 115.
Hi OJ- then I’m nearly TWO perfect!
Diet Pepto? LOL Now, if they could just make diet twinkies, ding dongs and ho ho’s I’d be in business! And who exactly names these snacks anyway? LOL
CathyJo – LMAO – yes, sometimes the trolls can cause a “chain reaction” which is to the benefit of the majority. 😉
Alex – if we’re this excited about today…think what we’ll all be like come the first day of the trial. We’ll all be wearing party hats, tooting horns and giggling non-stop!
Really OJ? 115lb? only a woman stuck on a deserted island with nothing to eat but coconuts and monkey poop weighs that much anymore.
JB-roflmao!!!!!!!
cathy, you’re killin me,,
methinks, you’re scaring me 🙂
I’m jus playin girls
Hey on the top of this blog on the right hand side is an ad, I don’t know if the same for all of us but my ad is for donuts!
Back in the eighties when I was lushing my life away, I always got a kick out of the ladies ordering bacardi /diet coke…WTH?
tobias said,in July 15th, 2010 at 11:09 am I see it only as a problem when there is actual news on the topic. Since there is so little to talk about on the case I dont see it as a problem.
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Tobias, there are three names in the title of this article. While there may be little news on Haleigh and Zach right now, things are popping on Caylee’s case. So maybe that’s when folks who are not interested in Caylee and who want to chat can take advantage of the Forum.
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And, Tobias also said:
” We just get to know each other better and become more friendly by talking. Share the love its good for everyone. Talk with ya all later. jmo”
That’s great! That’s fantastic! But all of it doesn’t have to always happen HERE on the blog about the children. It can just as easily happen in the Forum.
As far as the idea of “well, just scroll on by,” that can’t be done realistically. For example, I’m interested in Person A’s thoughts on Haleigh but maybe not interested in their thoughts on pizza, you know? But I still have to read their comment to know which one they’re talking about.
Again this is not all or nothing. It’s finding the balance between some normal off-topic chat and then taking conversations to the Forum.
Supposedly people have left BNN because they feel they can’t talk about personal things here or talk about a LOT about personal things. Well, yes they can. They can go to the Forum’s chat room and talk all they want! 🙂
Because it’s quantity we’re talking about. Off-topic is fine but too much is where the problems start.
What saddens me no end is when people leave because there is so much chitchat that they can’t get a word in edgewise about the children.
Alex, mine is for home security items…gotta guard my twinkies.
I agree, m2c, It gets old trying to find the posts that actually have to do with the topic.
I’m pricing tires for my truck alex..
I think we can make this happen..
pick up cathy and head to palatka..
have some cold ones with hank and lisa, maybe try to visit CS too. We get there a day or two before misty’s trial starts to settle in..
m2c, your right… just havin alittle fun. staying sane while dealing with these topics isn’t easy. We all know that. But again, your right.
m2c- I understand where a person might not want to read about anything but the case but I don’t understand the part about them not being able to get a word in! They would have to skip the “POST MY COMMENT” tab in order for that tohappen, I would think! I’ve done that several times when I first started, went up to the top and refreshed instead!
CathyJo63 said,in July 15th, 2010 at 11:05 am Yes M2,Its ok to suggest it but don’t keep pounding on it! Don’t have a problem with suggesting but I have heard many complaints about it so I wanted to try and help you as you did me,Thanks!!
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Sometimes it’s a good idea when you first come to the blog during the day, to read the comments that came before your arrival. It could help explain the reason for the comments.
I am not “hounding” anyone. It was a perfectly appropriate time and topic and conversation for me or anyone to talk about it.
And please don’t think that everyone with a nic you don’t recognize – and an opinion you don’t like – are all trolls. There are a lot of people who only read here – who don’t post. That’s why we don’t “know” them. They are here to read about the children and entitled to their opinion too.
OJ – you forgot the part about your idea of a perfect woman being behind bars, a druggie and criminal. You seem fascinated with the Misty’s and Casey’s of the world. LOL
OK-OJ!
Alexandria, people HAVE posted on-topic comments during a gab fest and either been ignored or missed.
Also when a person comes to BNN and finds a huge long gab fest going on, they often just leave because obviously we’re not talking about what they came here to talk about.
Again, it’s quantity. It’s not all or nothing.
And in those situations it’s about keeping an eye out for people who want to talk about the children.
I like the OT chatter…these are real people talking and not just robots throwing facts and figures at ya trying to feel important…anyone who doesn’t like it should scroll and stroll JMO
OJ- Are we going to have to see Casey too?
IN SESSION is on at my house! gotta’ run! thanks all for the chuckles and sorry if I contributed to any probs here. sure had a fun morning though. Will stop back in later. (((HUGS)))
((((HUGS)))) methinks. Have a nice day.
Yeah, I say scroll past what you don’t want to read… it only takes maybe reading 3-4 words to know you won’t be interested in that post.
Becky, yes we are not robots!! When there is nothing to say.. there is NOTHING to say. And if lurkers are upset with the direction of the comments then perhaps they should come out of lurk-mode and start-up some dialog… and stop trying to pimp us poster for our thoughts/theories/ideas!
You can please all of the people some of the time.
You can please some of the people all of the time.
But you can’t please all of the people all of the time.
Face it, EVERYONE has a different opinion on what should or shouldn’t be done or said here. You will NEVER please everyone. As long as no one is being rude, ugly, vicious, starting fights AND Jan and/or Simon aren’t on here having to babysit then I say let the chips fall where they may.
OBVIOUSLY we should welcome all newcomers. OBVIOUSLY we should treat each other with respect and value the many personalities and opinions. But OBVIOUSLY not everyone is going to be happy with that. Sometimes the constant “lessons” on proper blog etiquette are as disruptive, if not more so, than the off topic chatter. At least with the off topic chatter people are getting along.
Sorry. JMVHO
m2c- that’s happened to me but I don’t take offense at it! I thought you said they couldn’t get a word in i.e. not being able to post!
I have posted at times when people are on topic and didn’t get a response because the other posters didn’t know the answer to my questions. It would take up a lot of space if everytime a question was asked and everyone that was on the blog at that time would have to respond “I don’t know the answer”!
Snipped from Jacksonville.com
Jacksonville pair arrested in $57,000 drug deal in Walmart parking lot
A Jacksonville man and woman were arrested late Tuesday by federal agents on charges of armed trafficking of illegal drugs after an undercover buy was set up in a Walmart parking lot, according to police.
The two met with an undercover DEA agent and an informant at 12:55 p.m. Tuesday to negotiate the purchase of 2 kilos of cocaine for $57,000, the arrest report said. They agreed to buy the drugs and arranged for the transaction at the 4250 Philips Highway store lot. They met again just before 6 p.m. and showed the agent a bag of cash and were arrested by the DEA task force.
A loaded .50-caliber handgun also was found in their car, according to the arrest report.
Charged were Kendall Jevon Jackson, 33, of the 3300 block of Hickorynut Street and Anjelica Rae Perez, 20, of the 5600 block of Graywood Road.
B*A – I wonder what THEIR bond will be?! 😯
funny how no one complained when the off topic was extercise but when cathy shows up its all about “off topic should be not be allowed”..
alex: I’m not really interested in casey’s trial..their just going thru the motions, shes guilty.
But mistys.. thats a horse of a different color.
Me too… I immediately thought about the put-5! I keep reading it, {insomnia}.. does it read like they were buying it from the UC?
B*A- I wonder why they picked a Wal-Mart at that time of day, out here at this time of the year the lot would be full of cars and lots of children going in & out! Glad no one was hurt!
I’m thinking the UC picked the time/place/day. Smells fishy to me~
OJ – actually I think the exercise talk actually started it…..but CathyJo does seem to have a bullseye on her back…unfortunately…not sure why that is…. 😥
B*A – sounds like they were doing the buying…not the UC…at least to me!
Alex – Wal-Mart parking lots seem to be very popular with criminal activity. I guess everyone knows where the local Wal-Mart is so it’s common ground…but YES, it is very dangerous to the shoppers. Too many kids around for that crap! LE should be a little wiser about where they do these things….go to a place where there aren’t so many people.
**New Article**
Ooooh, new article…right behind you B*A!
MrsC said,in July 15th, 2010 at 11:01 am =
Yes today’s hearing on the Caylee Anthony case will be live on the web at 2:00 on
wftv.com
wesh.com
myfoxorlando.com
And probably other sites as well.
OJ’s glove said,in July 15th, 2010 at 12:14 pm funny how no one complained when the off topic was extercise but when cathy shows up its all about “off topic should be not be allowed”..
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OJ, as far back as I can read no one has said, “off topic should be not be allowed” EXCEPT YOU!
The topic came up last night – see JNet’s post at 11:28pm and the many posts before it. And it came up again this morning about 5 am and then at 7 am; long, long before CathyJo showed up and joined the conversation at 10:40 am.
Believe it or not, this blog is NOT all about you or CathyJo.
Okie Dokie – came back to see if everyone was going to move to the new article as this one is pretty slow…but I think I’ll just slink right on back out of the room….. *slink slink slink*
UGH
George, Cindy, Lee & Mallory are in the Court Room!
WhyLie said,
in July 15th, 2010 at 9:03 am
I seriously doubt Ron would call Hank Sr to go with him looking for Misty. Ron knew where Misty was. He knew she was with Nay Nay. He knew her friends, probably better then Hank did. If Ron wanted to know where Misty was all he had to do was check at Tommy’s, Timmy’s, or Nay Nay’s. No need to get Hank to go hunt her down with him.
As far as the loud vehicle that was allegedly heard going into the community that night, I had read many, many, many months ago, at the very beginning of the case, a local had made that statement on WS.
That poster also said at the time that a neighbor also heard and saw the vehicle. The info was given to LE, and apparently led no where. Oh I might add that the story morphed a bit, with no more mention of somebody else actually seeing the “loud” vehicle.
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Hank was in the hospital anyway, so how was Hank supposed to help look for Misty. Plus Ron knew she was with NayNay because he took her clothes over there and left them.
m2c – please don’t take this the wrong way because I do NOT want a repeat of the past…. but have you ever noticed that where you are, issues seem to follow? Just saying….perhaps it is better to let Jan police the blog if it indeed needs to be policed….might save you a lot of grief.
I value your input on the cases. You are very sharp and you have a lot to offer. But perhaps you could keep the policing to yourself to avoid conflicts. Just a thought. And JMVHO.
m2c said,in July 15th, 2010 at 12:43 pm OJ’s glove said,in July 15th, 2010 at 12:14 pm funny how no one complained when the off topic was extercise but when cathy shows up its all about “off topic should be not be allowed”..
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OJ, as far back as I can read no one has said, “off topic should be not be allowed” EXCEPT YOU!
The topic came up last night – see JNet’s post at 11:28pm and the many posts before it. And it came up again this morning about 5 am and then at 7 am; long, long before CathyJo showed up and joined the conversation at 10:40 am.
Believe it or not, this blog is NOT all about you or CathyJo.
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You’re right M2,Its about see who can be da chief mostly?? hmmmmmmmmmm
Okay….slinking back out of the room and to the new article….hopefully the “strife” will stay here and not follow! 😯
Good grief there’s been a lot of off topic talk about off topic talk… 🙂
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jb, keep your head down, your hands up, and turn around slowly. Don’t make any sudden moves. 🙂
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Its a fact that little men like little women. I see it all the time.
OJ’s glove said,
in July 15th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
funny how no one complained when the off topic was extercise but when cathy shows up its all about “off topic should be not be allowed”..
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OJ I think you have a very valid point!!!!Thank you for making it.
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JB said,
in July 15th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
OJ – actually I think the exercise talk actually started it…..but CathyJo does seem to have a bullseye on her back…unfortunately…not sure why that is…. 😥
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JB, I can’t figure that out either but it sure is childish coming from adults.
Andy – yes, it is childish. But hey, come join us on the new article. Everyone has moved over there! 😀
m2c said,in July 15th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Believe it or not, this blog is NOT all about you or CathyJo.
It is not that CathyJo has a bullseye on her back she is just here all of the time and if you look back at the pages when I was posting here you will see about 11 out of 15 are made by CathyJo. So many times someone else made a statement or asked a question and she would answer but it was apprarent that she did not read, just answered with some off the wall stuff or cut and pasted from the news to keep control of the page. So I left. Just came back today to see if they is anything reported about the Anthony family reunion at the courthouse.
bettyb….the anthony discussion has moved to the new article if you care to join us. Our heads are about to explode! It is an absolute CIRCUS! Lee just mouthed “I love you” to Casey as he took the stand. Cindy lied like the dog she is. UGH!
The subject of using the Forum for Off-topic came up not long ago when someone posted that “we should have a chat room.”
Jan quickly replied that BNN does have a chat room -the Forum.
Is that “policing” the blog? Jan is the one who could police it if and when she wanted. But all she did was tell that poster it was there. She did not tell people they HAD to use it.
Neither did I. So I really don’t appreciate the moderator/police or “wanna be” chief accusations.
As far as this whole thing being about CathyJo, it’s been explained several times that the topic came up in a discussion that did not involve CathyJo (or me for that matter) and continued for hours before CathyJo joined the conversation.
The term “consciousness of guilt” comes to mind. But still, using the Forum, is NOT all about CathyJo.
m2c – Sorry you took offense even after I tried very hard to make sure that didn’t happen. I was just very politely trying to say that anytime ANY blogger tries to “police” (yes, I’m using that word) the blog it backfires (I know because I’ve done it myself and have the scars to prove it 😀 ). To save you some grief, I was merely suggesting that you leave that duty to Jan if and when it is necessary. It is the fights that result from the policing that turn the blog into a big fat mess. The chatting and off topic conversations during slow news days don’t cause any strife. But as soon as someone starts dictating what people can and cannot say and do (no matter how gentle the nudging may be intended) then full out attacks begin.
So, in the interest of peace and tranquility I merely suggested, save yourself (and everyone) a lot of heartache and just let it go. Hopefully the end result is no one gets into fights and the blog remains peaceful. I meant no ill will. Sorry if it was taken that way.
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