It has been an interesting journey of discovery. The past 18 months have been eye opening to say the least. Both the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony stories have revealed to me just what a strange world we live in.
It was several months ago that I had a long conversation with TJ Hart, he was at his wits end. In his 10 years as a well respected reporter in Gainsville, Florida, Haleigh Cummings was the latest in a long stream of high profile cases that he has covered in depth. It was an emotional conversation, TJ is a grandfather, and this discussion was not about winning journalistic acclaim, it was about the state of our modern society.
There are actually many parallels between the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony cases. So many that I find it disturbing. Actually sources close to the case have made the same comments.
What really disturbs me is the frequency of these cases. Child exploitation and abduction has reached epidemic proportions. I was talking to a friend of mine Robert Siciliano the other day. He is a well known and well respected expert on the subject of personal security. In his book The Safety Minute :01 he talks about children, 50,000 go missing each year. This statistic is well used, most of the 50,000 are found, most have been abducted by family members. A much more disturbing statistic is that 1 in 4 children have been ‘inappropriately touched’. I asked Robert where he got this data from, look for yourself Here and Here.
I am not trying to say that either Haleigh Cummings or Caylee Anthony were in any way subject to any form of sexual abuse, merely that the numbers are so shocking that it numbs my mind.
What I do see in the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony case is abuse. Abuse by dereliction of parental care. Both cases scream out at me, little children begging for help. Both cases have garnered major news coverage, and both cases have revealed a truly ugly world that these young children were in. I would not put Casey Anthony in charge of taking the garbage out, never mind caring for a two year old child! Casey’s mother and father have been playing ‘poor mouth’ since the event, yet they have apparently cashed in, it has been widely reported that they received $100,000 from a large media outlet, yet still face foreclosure. Mom and dad George and Cindy tell us that because of the press coverage neither can find a job!
Of course this is rubbish!
Over on the Haleigh Cummings case we have a cast of characters that quite honestly should not be allowed to keep a goldfish never mind children. It is simple to explain in one word ‘DRUGS’. Drugs are everywhere you look when you talk about Haleigh Cummings. Misty Croslin and her brother Tommy, both are behind bars for Drugs. Ronald Cummings, behind bars for drugs. Bio mother of Haleigh Cummings, failed a drug test recently, and from what I can tell has a long history of enjoying recreational pharmaceuticals.
It is time to put an end to these awful situations. There has to be something that as a society we can do. But what?
Simon Barrett
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HollysGMom:
Thanks for the support. I am not posting for responses, please. No need to change your constructive blogs on this case to start bashing. I am only letting HollysGMom know I emailed her. After you read the email, maybe you can at least let all of the bloggers on here, know the honest truth. Thanks
What really gets me is that in both cases there were sober adults around who might have been able to make a difference. Why didn’t they?
Were Sindee and G unaware of what was going on with Monster and her attitude toward Caylee?
In Haleigh’s situation there were gmas AND DCFS! Could they have prevented what happened (whatever that was)? And in this case I just want to point out that we do not yet know what happened. Lots of children disappear in situations where drugs are not involved.
Our society puts more emphasis on the rights of adults than of children. Kids are often treated by parents in ways that would get them arrested for assault if they did it to an adult.
m2c, No truer words have been spoken…There’s simply no reason for either of these children to have suffered in the manner in which they did… and I can’t help but feel the grandparents knew there was trouble in the home of these children, especially caylee. soo very, very sad.
When a society is more interested in competition and money and sex, etc. the children will come last. A lot of women have children for the money. (welfare and child support). No morals are taught anymore. Look at all of the studies re cheating for example.
In my opinion both society and family have created these child bearing child killing monsters. Look around, on tv in schools (teenage moms) everywhere….it is more important for a young mother (single or not) to be able to continue in life as if their were no children. Want a reality check watch 16 and pregnant on Mtv. These mothers need to feel accepted, keep their friends, have me time to party hearty. I haven’t been to a club in years but the majority of mothers I know frequent them (2-5 times a week). I don’t know why people have children if they do not want to be with them raise them and love them!!! Why must everything from partying to shopping at Walmart come before your child. My daughter in law must go to Walmart 2-3 times a day (without my grandson! BUT THATS OK I HAVE HIM) She needs a break, she wants to meet her friends, her mother, has to pick up stuff before work, has to pick up stuff after work. She is in the majority.
The reasons I think dil has this attitude, all her friends act the same way, unless you your watching Leave it to Beaver & Little House on the Prarie…everyone on tv shows reality or not are behaving this way. Oh and her mother…she used to take her on vacation and have my dil a seperate Hotel room so all the men her mother picked up wouldn’t know she was a mother. My dil has 2 very young sisters and they are treated the same if not worse. This is why I think both society and family playes apart in creating the attitude Misty and Casey both shared…Of course, I AM NOT saying anyone but casey is responsible for the actions of Casey!
I see big differences in these cases..in one a suspect has been arrested and facing trial, in the other there has been no arrests and no viable suspect. LE dropped the ball with Haleigh and are now covering their arses by making a scapegoat out of Misty…for shame!
We all know Caylee is dead.
There’s no evidence at all that Haleigh is dead.
I think that’s a faily huge difference.
*fairly
Yes, there are differences but also many similarities
Hello Gang!
I don’t quite know why I’m having a difficult time joining in this topic/discussion. Shoot, maybe I just don’t have anything to say at the moment… I shall lurk!!
Simon said, “It is time to put an end to these awful situations. There has to be something that as a society we can do. But what?”
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Simple. Just put the Bible (Authorized Version) back in the public schools as the Founding Fathers intended.
What I don’t understand about Cindy Anthony is how she has tried to convince the world that Casey should get mother of year award, But she has openly admitted that she told Casey that she was going to take Caylee away from her. Why would she want take her away from Casey she she was the mother of year?
cent,I feel bad that your still sick. I hope you feel better soon. I too, am not sure how to jump into the conversation…so maybe like you, I will lurk in the background and wait for ????oportunity to pounce??? lol (she silently walks in wide strides…to the pink panther medley) my mental image is funnier than…well funny.
Methinks… My “mental” image of my entrance to any “high strung” topic is… usually accompanied with the intro/theme of MI5/Spooks~~~ series 2-7 Just can’t help myself.
The biggest similarity to me is Teresa Neves protecting her son like he walks on water and tried to deflect any negative attn about him, just like Cindy Anthony, they are like 2 peas in a pod IMO
Haleigh was reported missing the same night she went missing, whereas Caylee had been missing (dead) for weeks before she was reported missing. Also, as far as I know, TN never smelled anything like a dead body in Ron’s vehicle or anything of that sort, so she might have less reason to doubt her son than CindyA has to doubt CaseyA.
I think as parents we need to teach our children right from wrong, what drugs can do to you and the consequences of leading a drug-filled life. I grew up with very structured guidelines as to what I should & shouldn’t do. When I crossed over that line, I got a whoopin’, not abused. I learned very quickly right from wrong. My mother also took us to church every Sunday. We were Baptists and I grew up learning, and am still learning, about Jesus. This spiritual faith has brought me through many, many horrible experiences in my life. I think we are raising spiritually empty children with no direction, no goals, and no sense of being. IMO
I think the similairities are more in the way of:
1) those who had a child or child they were reponsible for missing without much of a trace but they just continue on with their party lives, like nothing has happened or is wrong.
2) Then you have both mothers of Casey & Ron offering total excuses for the grown child’s behavior(s).
3) Followers of the cases feel that they care more about the missing child then the actual families.
4) Non-Profits on both cases and unaccounted for monies (on both sides of Haleigh’s family)
5) Families seeming to care more about image and money then the missing child
There are probably more….
ALso:
Casey was out partying…uhem, looking for Caylee
and
Ron was out dealing drugs to find Haleigh…
Sunshine Laws/Florida
“hated” attorneys
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HollysGmom
excellent summation! Sad, but true
911 call
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
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Queenie 9:49 pm Amen!
The major similarities from my point of view are that both Cindy & Marie went into “profit” mode very quickly. Though Marie was quicker than Cindy by months (I think Haleighbug was the quickest a foundation was ever set up in memory of a missing child…they must have been plotting it within days of her disappearance, as it was officially running within weeks). They both also used Dominic Casey, which I find very odd. I often wonder if Marie is behind this as she wanted to make money out of it, the way she saw Cindy make money.
Queenie,
Sadly, it’s not that simple. It’s not just children that abuse drugs, not by a long shot. Addiction is an illness that no whooping will fix, however, there are experts available that do treat addiction.
Queenie, thank you for your post. I do think that if young people didn’t feel so spiritually empty, they would be LESS VULNERABLE to taking those first steps that lead to addiction.
Of course, that is in regards to purely recreational use. There are enough cases of addiction starting from a prescription already of course, which I believe Me is referring to.
I dont think these two cases have much in common either, I think what has become “common” in society is what makes them “look” like they have something in common. The days are here when kids are allowed to have so much freedom that they are becoming parents without thinking much about it or letting it interfer in their lifestyles even after the child is born. IMO
Don’t forget:
ronald’s mother of Nancy grace fame did nit raise Ronald and his sister. In spite of all the reunionification laws and enough social services to do everything from drive her to state paid therapy to wiping her arse, Theresa failed to regain custody. Drugs.
Next Misty’s brother dopely complained on video that drug selling was so easy before Haliegh went “missing”
then Nancy Grace’s talking heads don’t get that Misty failed polygraphs because she LIED. One cannot fail for not remembering on drug hazes. Misty likely OD’d the child as parents do, to shut her up. She has good reason to sit in prison and keep her mouth shut.
Lastly, the Anthonys figure is confused. $100,000 was the gambling online debts of George. $220,000 was paid for pictures and videos. They have money to not work and even cruise. Diamond earring and tattoos while running a foundation to “prevent” kidnappings.
How long until the IRS arrests them? I hope before the arrests for destroying evidence and perjury.
Good morning, Peter! I’ve always been confused about the money. I thought Monster sold all her photos of Caylee for $200,000 and that probably went straight into Bozo’s pocket. If that is true, do you know if the Ants also sold pictures and/or movie/film rights or something to get money for themselves? That’s what I suspect. Otherwise I don’t know how they’ve afforded to live so well all this time-even without paying the mortgage.
I think they LET the mortgage lapse because they don’t want to live there anymore…who would. THey also couldn’t sell due to notoriity and they didn’t want to sell to someone who only wanted it due to Caylee’s last home type stuff. The other option, I guess is to let it get repossessed. There’s no law that says they can’t if they choose to, I guess. IMO
Unless both of these families “walk in the truth” they will remain stuck right where they are. Both had significant obstacles to overcome and tragedies to live through. Now it’s time to come to terms with it and do what is right. You can try to fool yourself and others all you want but deep down, you know the truth.
Linda said,in February 27th, 2010 at 8:17 pm What I don’t understand about Cindy Anthony is how she has tried to convince the world that Casey should get mother of year award, But she has openly admitted that she told Casey that she was going to take Caylee away from her. Why would she want take her away from Casey she she was the mother of year?
Because Sindy is a pathological liar just like her daughter. There are an awful lot of similarities of the 2, it’s just that Sindy hasn’t killed anyone. As the old saying goes “An apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.”
I beleive drugs are the root of most of the problems in this country. People who are addicted to drugs have very little concern for anything else. Drug users are self absorbed and only worry about themselves. I know of very few young people who do not use drugs. It is a very self centered and self absorbed generation. I think this the thing Caylee’s mom and HaLeigh’s families have in common.
Crystal, Misty, Ron and Tommy were born in to a life of drug use and low level criminal activty. Looking at the records of their relatives, the behavior these young people exhibit is the norm.
If HaLeigh had not disappeared they would have continued on with their life style and no doubt raised Jr. and HaLeigh to carry on the tradition. No one would have cared or paid any attention to how these children were being raised, because it is so common with this generation that it is becoming the norm. I suspect if they drug tested most parents in that age group they would find a very high percentage to be using drugs of some sort.
This is not limited to Satsuma or Florida. It is happening all over the country.
As far as sexual abuse, I do not think it is anymore common than it ever was. It is just reported more. Incest and pedophilia used to be the dirty little secret that no one spoke about. Thankfully, that is changing, but I bet the numbers would be even higher if everyone were truthful. There are still victims who are afraid to tell, victims who are too young to tell, mothers who will not take their children’s words over their husbands/boyfirends and many other reasons why the count in not correct.
good morning everyone, I also wanted to add a very important similarity that to me stands out like a sore thumb. I think that cindy and TN suffer tremendous guilt due to the fact that, for cindy, she obviously could have taken custody of caylee if she would have acted instead of threatening…and Tn could have watch those children for that one evening so that misty could get rested and be able to take care of those children properly. The guilt must be unbearable for both. Also, If the Anthonys would have used the word No once in a while when the request for babysitting came up, maybe casey would have been forced to be the mother instead of taking the role of the rebellious teenager…And Ron, well if TN didn’t know ron was using drugs, then she must be blind….selfishness put those little girls in the situation they are in.
Hi, methinks! I agree but I think that Sindee did say no sometimes to babysitting Caylee. That’s what prompted monster to invent fake emails from bosses and also cause her to take poor little Caylee to parties and do God knows what else to her when she wanted to go out and Sindee would not babysit. So now that Sindee knows that she must feel badly too. What was Sindee doing trying to MAKE monster be a mother when she didn’t want to be one from the start! Answer: What Sindee says goes. Except monster found ways around it. Ways that ended with Caylee having to die. IMO
History is to blame for all that we are now seeing. It’s all about how you were raised. Sad but very true.
Consider the source. Think. Take away religion and you have sin.
While everyone involved in the HaLeigh case has a history of drugs, there is only one player who is attempting to change her life – Crystal.
Crystal is not perfect, but she sought out help months ago. She failed a drug test, but has passed others. She is at least trying to change.
I wish her well and support her efforts.
911 call
FLE2: I’m available at 116 Tyler.
OP: 116 Tyler? (static) 26.
MLE1: What’s going on at 116?
FLE2: 1256.
OP: Go head.
FLE2: 10:08 from this location, going 97, back to Green.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5173311.php
AnninTN – I think you have brought this up before and it is so interesting… Is 116 Tyler Tommy’s address? Were the police at Tommy’s house at the same time the 911 call was made by Misty & Ron? Sorry if this is common knowledge – I do follow closely but I don’t remember this. Also, the “coded speak” makes my head heart 🙂 Thanks.
I meant: the “coded speak” makes my head HURT – it is confusing. Thanks!
AnneInTn
I’ve wondered what is happening 116 Tyler didn’t some one reated to Ron or Misty live there ?
I too wish Crystal the best. I hope she takes this “opportunity” to make a better life/environment for her and all her children!! and I pray those around her will give the support that she’ll need, and NOT undermine the effort!
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/25/tommy.croslin.police.report.pdf
Ok – 116 Tyler was Hank & Lisa’s or Tommy jr.’s house. They all lived there? I need to go back and read more about this. I don’t remember reading the report linked to the page above. It is about a fight between Tommy & Hank Sr. – Tommy throws a bag of DVD’s to Hank and Hank was mad when the bag hit him. Hmm. I wonder if the fight was about the DVD’s being stolen? Also, part of the report lists the following:
“Tommy stated he would leave the residence and take his boy.-.o school since he missed the school bus.Tommy’s son,-.stated he did not want to go with his father beCause he was scaring him. Tommy did not leave and was still instigating verbal altercations with Hank and Lisa and was becoming combative.”
How sad that Tommy’s son did not want to go with his father because he was afraid.
I agree with those wishing Crystal well. She has a long way to go and a lot to overcome. It would appear her up bringing was very similar to Misty’s and she made very similar bad choices at a young age. Crystal is at least trying to change. I have no doubt she will back slide a time or two, but I hope someone is there to help her when she needs it.
cent, I hope crystal succeeds as well…I just can’t help, or get past the fact that its an effort that sadly is late…If Ronald beat her up time and time again, why didn’t she continue to fight for haleigh and jr? I agree that atleast she is trying now, but I wish parents like this wouldn’t wait until something bad happens. Being able to say: I told you so after the fact doesn’t save Haleigh. I guess I’m just very fustrated and feel that parents like crystal should have to prove themselves BEFORE they are allowed a second chance.
This may sound backward, but I think there are 2 types of parents who have a life of abusing drugs; 1. The parents who don’t work,don’t feed their children,use any money they get on drugs,live in filth,live off the system if they can,don’t even know where there children are, ie,mtv had a special on children of addicted parents, and the children were so neglected, the trailer was do dirty,the kids were dirty,the worst was the 2yr old baby girl wanted milk, and she carried a gallon bottle of milk to her passed out mommy and said please open. My children and I were crying so hard; this baby girl had no bed, when it was time to go to sleep, she was filmed carrying her blanket, tried to wake up mommy and daddy, then to no avail, hopped on a filthy sofa and went to sleep, all the while struggling to cover her little body.
2.Parents who despite their problems,still manage to provide a good home and have happy children; perhaps in this case, since Ron had a childhood w/out his mom, he was determined to be a good father. In the UC video, he even states that there is nobody that can say I’m not a good dad. How do we know what he has been doing this past year, because of one UC video…maybe he has been clean but since then, has fallen back down. I just can’t get all of the pictures and video of him and his children out of my head. We have no proof what he was doing before Haleigh went missing, or what he has been doing since, except for one UC video. He had a great job, Haleigh went to school, she made all of her Dr. appts, she always has a smile on her face. RON IS NOT A CASEY ANTHONY.
Has anyone heard of anything new in the Jozlynn Martinez case?? It chills me to the bone; This one is different though because her mom woke up to find the baby missing, along w/the boyfriend too. (creepy looking too) The poor mom is only 21, and who knows how or why she was dating this creep for 1 1/2 years..supposedly he was very protective of Jozlynn. (creepy) It infuriates me that this case has not made national news like Haleigh’s.
Ronfan, With all due respect…Ron was not a good father. He had a job. Good, Thats part of being a father…supporting your family. He used drugs. This shows me that he’s not a good father. He loves his children. Of course he does. Most fathers do. He left his children alone with a seventeen year old drug addict, who spent the prior weekend drugging and partying. He knew this before he left for work. He beat up crystal while she was pregnat, (okay…alegedly) I believe he did. He slept with a sixteen year old girl (misty) He slept, and pregnated a teenaged girl, (Jordans mother) and didn’t support her financially or attempt to be part of the childs life. I don’t care whether the mother wanted him to or not…as the childs father, he had the right to be in this childs life…he chose to not fight for his parental rights. Good father? I guess my standards are abit higher on evaluating what a good father is…finally, he jeopardizes his sons well being by selling and getting arrested for drugs, not realizing that Jr needed him more now than ever…good father? I say not and also selfish to boot. JMO
Ronfan, also I don’t know about the drs appointments, but as for her getting to school, well I understand that ron was under the gun with the school for truency…
Nevermind, the update of Jozlynn: The boyfriend confessed that Jozlynn died Monday night and he disposed of her body in a nearby trash receptacle; there are 625 tons of waste that go through the main site everyday; police believe that her body has probably already been INCINERATED. Police have already gone through 22000 tons. The boyfriend suspect, Jeffrey Malmberg, has not disclosed how Jozlynn died…Bet we can all assume what happened. I’m going to go hug my 3 year old little boy right now; he’s playing with his army men and Thomas the train stuff…isn’t that what all little ones deserve to be doing?
Antoinette Davis(Shaniya Davis’mother),Casey Anthony, and Jeffrey Malmberg….Let’s switch now, on location, reporting live from HELL: Okay, so would that be a table for 3? Your waiting time will be about 2 hours, there are alot of parents already ahead of you in line…
Did George and Cindy Anthony know it would happen and could they of prevented it? Every family has it struggles no one thinks “my daughter is going to kill my grand daughter” There was nothing that stood out that would send a clear warning that this child was going to be killed by her Mother, I just do not see that. I do see a family like any family that has its issues and trying situations but that is all I see. As for the rest of it the Grand parents behaviour after their grand daughter was killed by their daughter, well I can’t imagine being in that situation so I’m not going to judge anything. JMHO
I see a lot of issues with Nancy Grace on here and I agree with most. Why does Nancy Grace distort things when she claims to be searching for the truth? She tells her viewers that Misty washed up at Ronald’s days later while partying. Facts show Ronald and Misty communicated while she was still out and agreed together for her to come back. Facts show Ronald and Misty had a fight prior to her leaving and he rolled her up in a ball and was abusive with her, personally myself I would not of come back. Why does Nancy Grace distort things like that? Money, rating, and greed. Does it help find the truth? NO If the truth for victims is what she sought she would present things accurately and present all possibilities until the truth is found. That is why she is offensive to some survivors and she always will be, because she uses stories like this for her greed and not for their right for the truth being brought to light. I pray that LE will be given the wisdom needed to see the answer in this case and Justice for Haleigh
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
MeThinks “pink panther” @ 1:44
Yes, I understand your frustration… I have seen it “parent screw up” many times than I care to think about. I know mothers and fathers, that think as long as they “claim” their children they are being a “good” parent. I have taken myself to task, my anxiety has increased, all because of missing #1 Cardi Dr. Appt… yes #1 in 17yrs. My son was like, Mom… I’m fine.
methinks: I know…you have so many correct views. I think I am always trying to look for some inside rationale as to why things like this happen so randomly…I see parents like the ones I mentioned in my first post whose kids don’t get killed or kidnapped; then there is Caylee; her winnie the pooh bedroom, all her princess shoes, stickers; The last time she was seen was the morning where Casey was taking her (to the fictional babysitter). All the while, George Anthony there, why couln’t that d.b. realize how lucky she was to have parent’s who would care for Caylee.
I think I feel sorry for Ron cuz it seems like he has a double life; the Father side of him seemed to be working. Oh, and the other question I have is I thought he tried to get custody or visitation of the baby, and weren’t there health problems too? What was going on w/that, you’ve got a point. Also, it does freak me out that on the UC video Misty states that Ron has to go get Junior in 10 minutes…She even points as they drive past it and says “right there at Stay and Play”..Ugggghhhhh. I think your starting to make my closed mind open up….
cent, “pink panther” LOL I love that tune! also, I understand exactly what your saying…I just get so enraged when things like this happen… anyway, I hope your feeling better. I know I do …physically, My mind is just sad. I’ve read your blog…and I know your a loving parent. and a damn funny one as well! Hang in there sis, your gonna’ make it! As a matter of fact, I think you and I could be great “In person” friends…we think alot alike!
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 27th, 2010 at 8:43 pm Methinks… My “mental” image of my entrance to any “high strung” topic is… usually accompanied with the intro/theme of MI5/Spooks~~~ series 2-7 Just can’t help myself
@@@@@ where can I hear this intro??? just curious!
Ronfan, Don’t feel bad, I want to find good in his parenting efforts as well…it’s just hard to when all the facts and evidence point to a very ugly outcome. I too, feel alittle ping of sympathy for ron…but truly, for me, it’s hard.
**Off Topic**
MeThinks… You-tube… type in MI5/Spooks intro.
It’s playing in my head as I type… just watched part of a episode. It’s on PBS late nights.
Thank you for the compliments! Yes, I know we would/could be great “in-person” friends. You are a hoot and a half!!!
cent….I found it! and thanks, now it’s playing in my head! LOL
YVW!!
ba cent: excuse my forwardness, but can’t help wondering about the comment of #1 cardi appt, is ur son ill? Ur and methinks comments just seemed to lean that way…dear lord help u if ur going thru this. I was a cardiac RN and my sister a pediatric Rn; just wondered.
THANK YOU, TJ, Denny, Jan and Simon!
Great radio program today! Really appreciate it and all your hard work and insights.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in February 28th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
So Gang… HollyG’s Public Defender question was asked, Jan voiced it!!! But, I can’t remember the answers! Please fill her in. TY
TO SARA JANE, JB, AND m2c: did you see my post about the update on Jozlynn? I saw you all were following her case as well. I typed in her name on msn and it linked to the local news station; it literally made me sick to my stomach. I can’t even and don’t even want to think about what these poor little angels were thinking when these horrible things happened to them? Looking into the eyes of someone you trust? So dependant, so innocent, and worst of all so loving and forgiving, no matter what their parents do.
RonFan, my Son is doing beautifully… Thank you for the thought!!
Crystal is trying to do whatever is asked of her because she never wants to loose Jr again and she is dying inside with thoughts of what happened to HaLeigh and where she is. She is so glad to have Jr. back and I can bet she was worried about him still being with Ronald, but she has him now and now all she wants is HaLeigh, sadly, she may never see her again, its too bad it took something like this to to make it where she got Jr back and to change her way of life so she can keep him. Poor HaLeigh never had the chance to see the changes. I hope Ronald and Misty never get out of jail until someone tell where HaLeigh is and what they did to her.She will always be in my prayers..
MY APOLOGIES to looking for justic, beautiful adams(cent) and OJ, I saw you all had posted on Jozlynn site as well; (my computer is very slow and i started typing before I dragged up the top of the page), all of you are such a wonderful group, following all of these children; I say you all should have your own show!! You are all an inspiration, and I wish more people were like you. It restores my faith. I am amazed at how many people keep their heads dunked in the national news, not aware of how many times this keeps happening. I’ve even had people say to me they don’t want to get “involved” in any stories like these because they have too many problems of their own. What is happening to this world? I have just only recently put my son in daycare, and there is a code for the front door, a sign in/out sheet, hidden cameras, and they are installing a daycare cam so u can watch your child on the computer at anytime. I also found out that there are 5 child molesters who live in a 5mile radius of our home…my 15 yr old daughter’s bus stop is in view from my back window, and I check it everyday. I hope there really is a HELL for all the people who hurt and abuse children. My son’s biggest problem today has been if he can have a 2nd glass of chocolate milk!
These people are making poor TJ lose it. He cant even figure out who Ron really is.
I think we are getting a real good idea after the UC videos. jmo
Beautiful adams, thanks for sharing w/me, I will pray for u and him everyday. Truly happy he is well. I have so much respect for Moms like you. God bless your family
Tobias, just because TJ sees people as three-dimensional human beings with various aspects to their character (as we all have) and not a one-dimensional cardboard cut out in a devil’s costume, does not mean he’s losing it.
Hi, Ronfan! Thank you for your note at 5:40. Yes, most of us here are very concerned about all these children and the unbelievably tragic things that happen to them. And that it happens so OFTEN is beyond the pale. I don’t know what can be done about it. Something has to be. Somehow.
We discuss ways sometimes but right now I’m kind of tired. I guess emotionally tired more than anything else.
So maybe we can discuss positive things we could do one day soon.
M2C, I didnt mean it in the literal sense. The people involved are all like camillions(spell). jmo
Like alot of people have said once you think you have them figured out they show a different personality. jmo
You left out the people who see one dimensional figures in the angel costume. Lets be fair. jmo
Well, to be fair, Tobias, I’m not one of them and neither is TJ.
I just saw your 7:54 and 7:55pm, Tobias. Yes, some of them have personalities like chameleons but also they are human beings with good and bad qualities, emotions, feelings, good days and bad days. We see only small slices of these people thru interviews, reports etc. And right now they are all going thru one of the worst nightmares imaginable.
Few people are going to maintain one emotion or one aspect of their character 100% of the time thru this.
That’s part of the reason it’s difficult for us to really “know” them.
seenitall said,
in February 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Crystal is trying to do whatever is asked of her because she never wants to loose Jr again and she is dying inside with thoughts of what happened to HaLeigh and where she is. She is so glad to have Jr. back and I can bet she was worried about him still being with Ronald, but she has him now and now all she wants is HaLeigh, sadly, she may never see her again, its too bad it took something like this to to make it where she got Jr back and to change her way of life so she can keep him. Poor HaLeigh never had the chance to see the changes. I hope Ronald and Misty never get out of jail until someone tell where HaLeigh is and what they did to her.She will always be in my prayers..
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boo/higherhopes/pocahanas/100s of other nics just how many different nics do you have here. You type the same drivel and makes the same spelling mistakes with all your nics
I’m sorry but tonight I was looking thru alot of interveiws,with Ron n misty in the earlier days. I had recently gone back n forth on Ron’s behalf wheather he was involved or not.I believe w/ every fiber of my being,RON AND MISTY R IN ON THIS 2GETHER.
Pinkey – Unfortunately I agree. I hope we find out exactly what happened some day.
Further clarification regarding my prayer, 1st part of gaining wisdom is to see that walking down the same road and falling into the same hole over and over is a pattern, a pointless and non productive one. Their statements and methods have been the same now from the beginning, with that said Wisdom would be to see that & TRULY CHANGE IT, NOT JUST GIVE THE WORLD LIP SERVICE! JMHO
THere’s something hinky between them….I just can’t explain away Ron’s actions, decisions, & choices after Haleigh’s abduction. There’s just something more there…..
Dusty Rose;
I’ve heard it said that the definition of insanity is:
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome 😉
Good morning, all, just in and getting caught up. I have to say I agree with Pinky, which was what I thought from the very beginning, but was very hesitant to say anything on the various forums, because of respect for a grieving parent…….Ron and Misty know exactly what happened to Haleigh, and I suspect with all my heart that TN knows, it, too. There, I said it out loud. Nothing else even comes close to making any sense to me. I don’t think it was intentional, I think it was accidental, but I believe Haleigh died that night, and I think Ron and Misty are to blame. And now we will probably never know the truth, because the time they will face on the drug charges will be nothing compared with what they will face if the truth comes out about what happened. Oh, how different things would be if they had only had the sense to call 911 when it would maybe have made a difference! But they didn’t because IMO they were more worried about LE finding drugs in the house, and probably in Haleigh’s system. LE was right from the get go, Misty holds the key and it unlocks the secret Ron is trying so hard to hide. He was involved somehow, I am sure of it, otherwise we would have had the truth one way or another by now.
My theory, my opinion, my belief
DRAMA QUEEN
I WAS THE SAME WAY AT FIRST I THOUGHT HE WAS IN ON HALEIGH’S DISAPPEARANCE THEN I WASNT SO SURE.BUT NOW I REALLY BELIEVE HE’S IN ON THIS.NOT ONLY DO I THINK THIS BUT I THINK LE DOES TOO THAT’S WHY HE WAS ARRESTED TOO IMO.LE PROBABLY MADE RON BELIEVE HE WAS TRUSTED AND GAVE HIM FALSE SECURITY,ENUFF ROPE TO HANG HIMSELF.FINALLY IN THE UC FOOTAGE WHEN RON WAS SO SURE THAT A DRUG DEALER DIDN’T TAKE HALEIGH THAT WAS VERY TELLING.HOW WAS HE SO SURE?…RON HAD A PRETTY REP.OF BEING A NARC,A STICK UP BOY,AND JUST A FLAT OUT JUNKIE.WE ALL KNOW HOW ADDICTS ARE LYING,CHEATING,AND STEALING.OH PLUS I THINK RON IS SCARED OF WHAT MISTY MAY SAY.
ONE MORE THINK HANK SR.IS NOT A DUMB MAN ON THESE RECORDINGS W/MISTY HE SAYS JUST ENUFF TO EXPOSE SOME OF WHAT HE KNOWS.ie.WHEN HE ASKED HOW LONG WAS RON GONA GET THEN HE SAID 4 THE DRUGS ONLY.THEN HE’S SAID NEVER MIND.ALSO IMO MENTIONING THE COUPLE THAT SOLD DRUGS TOO I FORGOT THEIR NAME.BUT I THINK ITS HIS WAY OF LETTING LE KNOW W/OUT REALLY TAKING THE BLAME FOR TELLIN’.WHEN RON’S ATTY.WAS ON N.G.AND SAID HE’S WONDERING IF MISTY’S TALKED I REALLY BELIEVE IT’S ALOT OUTTA FEAR OF HER WANTING OUT N RATTIN HIM OUT.
Hi, Pinkey!
I agree that everything you suggest is possible. The only doubt I have is the issue about how could R be so sure that Haleigh wasn’t taken because of some drug deal? I think one reason would be that R would know what deals he was involved in and whether anything was wrong or wrong enough to warrant taking his child. Drug dealers don’t up and kidnap peoples’ kids unless something went very very wrong with a deal. He would know that so that’s why he could be sure.
Hi Gang,
Yes I feel that Ron and Misty are up to their thin necks in this… I just am not sure how they are!! And I think the Grannies know!! I don’t trust any of them!!
Morning All. While I’ve felt strongly about a lot of different theories I’m back to believe Ron knows what happened. As volatile as Ron is I think he would have been kicking down doors and busting heads if he thought someone ELSE hurt his child. I think the reason he HASN’T done so is because he already knows who hurt Haleigh each time he looks in the mirror. I’m back to thinking he and Misty are to blame. And I agree with those who believe the Gmoms know the truth and Hank knows the truth as well. These people won’t talk because they think they can just do the time for the drugs and be done with it. If they try to make a deal to give up info on Haleigh they may reduce their drug charges BUT will be facing more serious charges in Haleigh’s disappearance. We may NEVER know the truth and we may never give Haleigh the burial she deserves. God rest her little soul.
beautiful*adams (cent).
I agree completely – about the gmas too. I read an interesting theory on another forum. I don’t participate too often – but I read everything. This person suggested something happened to Haleigh before work. Misty & Jr. went with Ronald to dispose of body and then off to work. Misty & Jr. hid out in the car. That would explain why Misty wasn’t home when Tommy stopped by. Maybe Ron kept “attempting to call Misty” to cover his tracks. There are lots of holes in this but it is interesting to think about.
I agree with everything most have said except the gmas, I think they suspect but are in denial. Who would really want to believe their child did something like this without proof?
They have enabled these people and now are in denial. jmo
Hi, JB! I “hear ya” as they say.
Regarding part of what you said: “If they try to make a deal to give up info on Haleigh they may reduce their drug charges BUT will be facing more serious charges in Haleigh’s disappearance.”
I’m hoping that LE got them in jail so that they WOULD talk. Which would mean that LE has to be ready to “deal” in some way to get the truth out of someone. That might mean saying something like: “You’re going to spend 70 years in jail for the drugs, Misty, but if you tell us what happened, we’ll reduce it to 50 (no matter what). Because she COULD get SO much time just for the drugs that she’d still be locked up most of her life. Unfortunately it could mean technically spending more time in prison for drugs than for whatever happened to Haleigh. But at least the right person would be in prison and we would know what happened to her.
I don’t want to believe that LE is not going to do whatever they can to uncover what happened to Haleigh if not actually find her.
So that’s why I’m hoping they’ll offer a deal of some kind to all the right people.
Pinkey – about my 10:48am comment. I should have added “But he could be lying.” Sorry I didn’t include that before posting.
I think LE will do whatever it takes to find HaLeigh… I know this is not going to be popular, but I would welcome Misty walking free of the drug charges, if she leads LE to HaLeigh, and didn’t have anything to do with “it”.
I suppose I should feel that way about them all, but I can’t honestly say so!!
I dont think anyone will make a deal until they are sentenced for the drugs. After they have a true number of years to work with. Misty may still be under the impression that she is going to get out after only a few years under the youthful offender . I really wonder how many years they will be sentenced with too. jmo
I wonder really what kind of evidence anyone could give that is solid in your hand evidence other than Haleigh. I dont think LE is going to believe words or stories from these people. Does anyone else know of any hard evidence they could hand over? jmo
Cent, I’m about at the point where it would be okay with me to let them all go free if they told what happened to Haleigh and where she is.
One of the reasons obviously is that that is THE most important thing. Haleigh is the most important. But the other reason is that I am 100% sure that all of them will find themselves right back in jail on new charges very soon anway (unless one of them has a miraculous ephiphany and changes overnight into a truly good NON-criminal-like person which would be a good thing, too).
Tobias, I don’t like thinking about solid evidence.
M2C… I agree!!!!
new article
BAC, Me either but from what we know of these people how can anyone believe a story? There would have to be solid proof to substantiate the story.jmo
tobias @ 11:44 – That’s a very good question. Maybe LE would accept a confession. But if someone is trying to lay the blame on someone else you’re right he/she would have to show proof of some kind. Other than little Haleigh herself I don’t know what that could be. Of course we don’t know what happened to her and that could be important – like if a weapon was used and hidden or bloody clothes hidden. Oh, heck. I don’t like talking about those things.
But, yes, it’s going to be sticky for someone to try to lay the blame on someone else without solid proof. Maybe they could give enough info that LE could follow up and find that kind of evidence though.
Sorry, cent. I did not see your note. I’ll repeat it here.
NEW ARTICLE,FOLKS!
I agree M2C and Tobias… No, I don’t think a story is gonna cut it… either!!
mornin’ all, I too agree that it wouldn’t bother me if they all walked free if Haleighs where abouts is given up (depending on what happened) If ron beat her to death, then he needs to fry like a potato at Mcdonalds. If it was an accident then let them go. Also I would want it in writing that ron is never allowed to have custody of any of his children, and visits will be supervised.JMO
Hey, Methinks!
hey cent/m15/spook~!
dunt.. dunt.. dunt nant nant!!
cent is a silly willie!
Hey Methinks…. I was just telling one of my sisters that I want to watch the rest of series8~~ MI5.
vacuera……..dont worry about what my names are, Im HH on SM and Boo on Twitter, and I dont go by pocahanas, so now what else do you want to know..
This is a board and I can express my opinion and say just exactly what I want to say and so if you dont like it when you read it, well, then dont read them when you see my name…..problem solved, Oh and dont worry about how I spell, last time I checked this wasnt a spelling class so problem solved again,.,
Crystal is doing good and so is Jr. and he is right where he needs to be away from that drug dealing family in Satsuma, now if they could just find HaLeigh everything would be fine….
Yes boo, I hear it everyday from you. you don’t really know if he’s doing well or not, you are told what they want you to hear and you repeat it. of course unless you’ve moved in with them and you can actually see what is going on. you are pocahanas, LOL
well said, JB
Hi, Alethea! I saw your question before about where Crystal sent the child support checks.
She didn’t. She didn’t send about $12,000 worth! LOL!
Sorry, couldn’t help it.
Does anyone know what the law is in FL about where cs checks are supposed to be sent? Directly to the custodial spouse or thru a state agency?
Too bad that money wasnt put away for Juniors college fund but spent on a pickup truck for Ron. jmo
LOL, it seems the only questions that are deemed relevant are those pointing toward Crystal/Marie/Chad/etc., being guilty. I am not disregarding this possibility; I have not ruled anyone out yet. My questions, if answered, might help me see where/why/how these parties could be the culprits, but my questions being immediately dismissed as irrelevant do quite the opposite.
I will just bow out now until more information comes out that is verifiable.
Sorry for the confusion, but my 5:57 PM was in reference to what’s going on on the previous thread…I thought it had been suggested we all move to this one.
CathyJo63 said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Yes drowning does but she had to give mouth to mouth?? LoL I KNOW FOR A FACT I WOULD HAVE CALLED!
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Cathy, yes I would have called for medical attention too… but we know they don’t flow like us!!
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*** posted this on the other thread… but
I’ve got to go for now!!!
beautiful*adams (cent) said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 5:54 pm
I’ve got to get ready for my commute… so I’ll be back in a couple of hours!
But first… Is there proof that the crack/pipe belonged to Chad/Crystal? Is there some VID footage that I haven’t seen showing their asses fighting over it?
What am I missing… is there a LE report stating that they copped to crack/pipe?
See ya all in a bit!!
Do they have docks on canals?
Where is everybody?
This page loads so much faster, that other one was to slow
tobias said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Too bad that money wasnt put away for Juniors college fund but spent on a pickup truck for Ron. jmo
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Ron had that truck before Barbara paid the back support
Vaquera, I have even posted links showing Ron with that truck before the money was paid and it still comes up.
tobias said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 5:36 pm Too bad that money wasnt put away for Juniors college fund but spent on a pickup truck for Ron. jmo
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Too bad Crystal didn’t care enough about her children to support them. Even though she was bound to do so at law. Then, when the law comes calling, Haleigh disappears.
Too many assumptions – like about the truck.
It’s not helping. Not helping at all to make such assumptions. All it does is pile more dog doo on R, which, of course is the point, I guess.
And Tobias I clearly remember you stated that before and Vaq gave you the same answer before.
Why keep repeating this carp?
How it helps find Haleigh I have no idea.
m2c…since day 1 on this case, many people, including the Sheffields and Griffis and many bloggers, have been far more interested in trashing Ron than finding Haleigh.
We have a mother who doesn’t care enough about her kids to even pay court ordered child support for years, she’s hit with threat of jail for that behaviour, then somehow people like Tobias turn it into a truck discussion. I think Marie’s minions are still alive and well and still posting their carp. The question is why do so many want to divert attention from where Haleigh is?
If Crystal would have given money to Ron, he probably would have spent it on cigarettes and other drugs for himself and the smokes like a chimney babysitter he hired.
How do I register here??
I could have sworn I was always registered,apparently I was wrong!
Jason,what do you think cs and chad spent money on? Just askin…lol
regardless of what he bought,they had nice things,clean house,nice clothes…looked to be living easier than i do.lol Thats what a child needs!
I’ll betcha cs never spent a night worrying either Jason…imoo
The bio father wanted sole custody, so he should have been MORE than willing to take on sole financial responsibility.
I can’t blame the bio mother for not giving him money to waste on smokes and other drugs.
problem is Jason,we know she didn’t pay support but was on drugs so why worry if ron did,he fed Haleigh,sent her to school,took her to much needed dr appts!
Jason – How does that help find Haleigh? What does it matter? Does that fit in with any theory you have? All I ever see you do on this blog is trash R and me.
This kind of blogging is just pointless and fruitles. You, of course, are welcome to your “opinion” and can say anything you want to but I am waiting for you to say anything relevant at all about what happened to Haleigh.
By the way, are you wearing your plastic toy State Trooper hat on today or your spandex bicycle cop costume?
BBL folks, I can’t be bothered with such hateful spiteful useless nonsense that some bring to this blog.
and took drugs!
Jason said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 6:44 pm
If Crystal would have given money to Ron, he probably would have spent it on cigarettes and other drugs for himself and the smokes like a chimney babysitter he hired.
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Crystal smokes, and drinks and does drugs, also ..your point?
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 6:44 pm If Crystal would have given money to Ron, he probably would have spent it on cigarettes and other drugs for himself and the smokes like a chimney babysitter he hired.
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And if she didn’t give the money to run, and Haleigh hadn’t disappeared, she’d probably be in jail for it, where she belongs.
So, you approve of mom’s using money that the court ordered be paid for child support to buy crack for themselves instead of a father, who has a job, buying cigarettes? Where do you think the money came from for her to support her drug habit? Crack is whack…sorry to see you support mom’s using it.
Jason,the courts make you sseek cs pymts! when you get welfare!!!!!!!!!!!!!
welfare system rather…goofed!
CathyJo63 said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 6:48 pm regardless of what he bought,they had nice things,clean house,nice clothes…looked to be living easier than i do.lol Thats what a child needs!
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Yep, and Haleigh obviously adored her daddy and vice versa. In the pics I’ve seen of her with her mom (and I’m not sure they weren’t photoshopped), Haleigh looks miserable compared to how she looks with Ron. Pictures speak a thousand words.
Looks like the Marie/Crystal team is back out in full force. Perhaps you can tell me why you are all so hell bent to take the focus off finding Haleigh?
Jason,show me one pic of Haleigh and her mom together,then one together smiling,then show me one of Haleigh and Dad not smiling!
treece said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Vaquera, I have even posted links showing Ron with that truck before the money was paid and it still comes up.
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I understand. I have repeated myself over the last year clearing up the same rumors/lies that have been told over and over again. that is why those facts are easily available to me in my brain..they are burned deep into it by now from the repetition..:D
GMTA! Me!
you can’t fake that look in a pic,no way!
m2c♥ said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 6:51 pm
BBL folks, I can’t be bothered with such hateful spiteful useless nonsense that some bring to this blog.
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I feel the same. I can cope with the fact everyone has different opinions, but when people come here and just spew hatred, that’s too much for me.
cs had what…….5 pix of Haleigh on her ms and 154 of Chloe!
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 6:50 pm The bio father wanted sole custody, so he should have been MORE than willing to take on sole financial responsibility.
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Okay Jason…so next time you hear of a mother wanting sole custody of her kids, you should get down to Court and argue that it’s not fair for the father to have to pay any support, and that he should be allowed to spend it on crack instead.
not me,I’ll defend who eever i think is right!!
even Cobra sad on a tape he told js to make his daughter start acting like someone with a missing child and not a w!
It is a shame that a parent should not be held accountable for the refusal of supporting children period.
In the pictures I’ve seen of Haleigh and Butterbean with their mother, Haleigh and Butterbean look very happy! Compare that to how they must have looked while having to listen to Ron and the babysitter argue about the babysitter abandoning the children to party over the weekend!
and Jason,she would not be giving RON money,she would be paying for a child she had as much to do with bring in the world!
Thats what dead beat dads always say.”i ain’t givin it to her”LMAO! Come on! Its an excuse!!!!Don’t the mom pay rent,feed em,clothe them??
I pray you have no kids then! sorry!
Yea when they had a Mother! Exactly Jason!
Jason,
Are you saying Chad was the better babysitter. He was still out partying at 5am with a newborn at home…that spells LOSER to me. Or maybe he wasn’t partying? Perhaps you can explain why Marie lied about him being home that night?
I assume you approve of crack use around kids…perhaps you can explain why?
I expect it when ever I share my opinions about this case. That is one of the reasons I stopped participating at WS. Tiresome to argue with hate and no truths.
Disturbing how people spew such hatred towards a grieving mother because they’re so in love with a manipulative, lieing, outlaw.
Exacttly Tex!
Everytime the Marie team pop up here and start spreading lies again, Marie, Crystal & Chad move up further on my suspect list. I actually have them above Tommy on my list now.
I was given away at 2 yrs old,too neighbors,my parents were alcoholics,never food but always a closet full of beer but my adopted p’s were able to adopt me at age 12,and the day in court the judge asked me,who did i wanna live with? I didn’t even have to think about it,my bmum was bribing me and all,I’ll let you smoke,date,drinkkkkkkkkkkkkk!! I don’t think so!
Wonder what Haleigh would say? I already know!
so you see,i know what a child needs and wants and its in every single pic of her and her daddy Jason!
Texasmommy39 said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:05 pm I expect it when ever I share my opinions about this case. That is one of the reasons I stopped participating at WS. Tiresome to argue with hate and no truths.
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I aint running no more,they’ll hear the truth spewed with their lies,Im tired of it!!!!!!!
Jason, to try to use PICTURES as a weapon shows how little you know about this case. Go spend some time on google. Any idiot can see how much Haleigh & her dad loved each other. There are 30 pictures of her and Ron to every 1 you can find with her mom. You trying to defend her without knowing the facts just makes her look more guilty.
Jason, I don’t spew hatred toward Crystal nor her mother. I ask the questions that no one whats asked. I question Crystal and Marie’s actions and decisions since HaLeigh was abducted.
He spent money on packs of cigarettes, and other drugs, for himself and his babysitter. That’s money that COULD have been spent on the children.
The children’s clothing look average – Crystal, Marie, Teresa, Sykes probably bought cute outfits for the children.
Jason, I see no hatred towards Crystal. Just people stating the facts….we can’t change the fact she was a deadbeat drug abusing mom who refused to support her own children, and was facing jail for that refusal and found out about it just before Haleigh went missing. Which part of that do you dispute?…lol.
and still failed a drug test after all this,ohhhh she’s trying,yea right!
Jason,believe what you want but youre just being argumentative,but heck it out!! Read the real stuff,look at the facts!the ones we do know which arent many but i can see it clearly so i know you can!
check’ it out,not heck
so the queston remains…Wheres Haleigh??
I’m sorry but even dog’s and animals take care of their children and it is a GOD Given gift we have maternal instinct’s and when someone doesn’t,theres a reason!
And i ain’t just talking about one Mother,you’d be shocked,I know several who are in my family but i wouldn’t be seen with them cause they aint worth crap!
Jason are you here to try and find HaLeigh or argue?
No hate here,Im just telling you like you were me Jason,lol i don’t even know ya but i gave cs the benefit,i prayed she’d change after Haleigh went missing,well she hasn’t?????? I know its hard,hell she aint done nothing i aint done prolly but you learn what your priorities are!! and family comes before anything else on this earth!
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:17 pm He spent money on packs of cigarettes, and other drugs, for himself and his babysitter. That’s money that COULD have been spent on the children.
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The money Crystal spent on crack should have gone to supporting her children. Ron was supporting his kids. She had other priorities.
BTW, is it true she’s pregnant again?
Texasmommy, I think it’s safe to say that we are all here for Haleigh…thats not the issue. I think it’s safe to say that Ron and Crystal both suck at parenting…again, thats not the issue. The queston is: Wheres Haleigh ???
Really tho Jason,think about this,how much of that money shed but didn’t pay went for chad and things he wanted! I’ll bet alot!
The judge who gave primary custody to Ron should be reprimanded, at the least, for failing to consider anything more than superficial details. An un-informed judge determined Ron should have custody because Crystal did not have a health insurance policy for the children.
Ron DID NOT have a health insurance policy at the time, and would not have that policy UNLESS the employer kept him on as an employee after the probationary period.
so you can’t really use that,the fact is still she owed it for her child!!!!
My own twin was and has always been a chitty mother. In fact she reminds me of Crystal with the pity party, personal denial and drug addiction.
Jason,Haleigh was ill,crystal would not even take her to her much needed dr appts….she was very ill!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gotcha TexMom,i don’t care who it is,the truth is the truth!
Jason said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 6:50 pm
The bio father wanted sole custody, so he should have been MORE than willing to take on sole financial responsibility.
I can’t blame the bio mother for not giving him money to waste on smokes and other drugs
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he never had sole custody of the kids, they’ve always had joint with Ron having primary custody. they had to make joints decisions on medical and stuff and Crystal could get all school records or whatever Ron got.
A man can’t support his children, then he has no business keeping them.
Vaq, re-read, please. I said he ‘wanted’ sole custody.
Jason,
The Judge very obviously got it right. Have you read the judgment and proceedings? You should. Crystal admitted she didn’t take Haleigh to the doctors because she didn’t feel like getting out of bed. The judge must have known she was a deadbeat mom, and given she proved for years afterwards that she was, he obviously got it right. Sadly, she won’t have Jr. for much longer. I give it a few months before she’s in jail herself.
Why do you think she lied to LE about the crack they found? I see you are comfortable with children being around crackheads…can you tell us why you have such a fondness for crack users and why you think they make good parents?
Jason said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:30 pm
The judge who gave primary custody to Ron should be reprimanded, at the least, for failing to consider anything more than superficial details. An un-informed judge determined Ron should have custody because Crystal did not have a health insurance policy for the children.
Ron DID NOT have a health insurance policy at the time, and would not have that policy UNLESS the employer kept him on as an employee after the probationary period.
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I guess the two other judges that also heard the case and agreed with the first judge should be reprimanded too?
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:33 pm A man can’t support his children, then he has no business keeping them.
He did a dangood job of it Jason?
have you seen em pleaing on tv Jason?? Ron did!
Jason,
Ron did support his children. It was Crystal facing jail for the lack of support.
And if a woman refuses to support her kids, she has no business having them. So, why do you think Crystal should have Jr, when you have already said that a parent who refuses to support their kids shouldn’t have them? You don’t even make sense.
Jason said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Vaq, re-read, please. I said he ‘wanted’ sole custody
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How do you know he wanted sole custody?
wether true or not,is not why i say this but according to some of the reporters cs went back to bed after the call??
A better system would have been to have Crystal responsible for directly paying specific expenses for the children. That way, she could be certain NONE of her money was spent on drugs for Ron and his babysitter.
sounds like her sleep was interrupted too much by her kids?
Exactly Cathy and they do not like to hear it!
Read the docs, Vaq.
LoL jASON,RIGHT SO IT WOULD BE MORE DRUGS FOR HER AND CHAD!
Forgot caps,yikes
exactly TexMom but they’ll hear it when they try pouring a bucket of lies on me!
Crystal went back to bed after learning Haleigh was missing?
I doubt that is true. Another tall-tale from the ‘Ronnie lovers’?
So Jason,you think she’d have paid? LMAO!!
Jason…give it a break. You sound foolish. My summary of what you are saying…
1. It’s ok for mom’s to use crack and other drugs while pregnant, and to have crack at a home where children live. Those sorts of mothers should not have to pay any money for their kids if the father smokes cigarettes and the kids should be allowed to live with crackheads, and grandmas who run drug houses. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?
NO,FROMA REPORTER JASON!!!
Her money you mean Chads money? Crystal has not worked at least for 2 years. I am sure that burned his bum, that he would have to pay Crystals cs since Crystal was not working.
Oh, and I should have added to the summary that you think you are so much smarter than the legislators in your country and believe your idea of how child support should work is better than theirs. And you are smarter than all the judges too, and resent them for not allowing the children to live in a crack house.
Tried to reason with him,but he won’t allow it,he just bax up the cs theory,wth cares now,wheres Haleigh?
Exactly TM,Shes lazy as hell,imo
took donations from HBC to buy her clothes and pay her bills?? LMAO!!!!!!!!
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm Crystal went back to bed after learning Haleigh was missing?
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Why do you think it took her 7 hours to get there? Maybe she was figuring out how to bring her drugs with her? So she could keep using them and almost kill her other daughter while driving under the influence with her in the car?
Jason said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Crystal went back to bed after learning Haleigh was missing?
I doubt that is true. Another tall-tale from the ‘Ronnie lovers’?
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no, she never got out of bed to begin with. so where was she from 3:49 when she was first called and 5AM when she finally called her mother? and no Chad wasn’t there till almost 5 so that can’t be the excuse either.
HELL She didn’t support Haleigh,wouldn’t doubt she had to barrow money to get her every other weekend!
the day she passed out at hbc she was on pills,ask cobra!
Well this isn’t going anywhere except to a blog fight, so I think I’ll step back and sign off for the evening…goodnight all.
a lady who was on the case and dying they stole pills from her! Search it Jason!
Crystal supported the children when they were with her; sounds fair enough to me!
LoL ME,Sorry,but no fight here,just honesty!
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,hmmm she was with ron then!
she didn’t work then either!
Its never fair for someone to have a child and not support them that is not Ronald’s money that is Haleigh and Jr.’s!!!! Crystal couldnt even tell Nancy Grace what time Haleigh got out of school. Thats the kind of mother she is!!!!!
CathyJo,
That was Cobra’s perspective; not fact. Same as TJ ‘thought’ Crystal was ‘hitting on him’ [paraphrased]. LOL!
Amen Sister Denise,she said,”I wasn’t told these things”
\LoL
She knew alot about everything else!
its fact.search it!
CathyJo,
If she wasn’t working, then how in the hello could she be expected to pay child support?
Jason,thats how i know you havent read anything,youre assuming!
I have long ago lost my taste for a good debate when it comes to this case. Me Its all right LOL calm down. Jason is allowed his opinion of the falsified facts that Marie and others put out there.
you tell me?? The judge did it right you said? Maybe thats another reason he placed her with Ron??
CathyJo,
Then, you don’t know what you think you know sweety!
have you seen mg drug background too Jason?
shocking!!
oh i do!!!LoL i DOOOOOO!
Crystal and her Lawyer Kim was sleeping with the same man at the same time. This came out of her brother in laws mouth and her husband confirmed it.
Yes, unfortunatley, some court judges, more than others, make poor decisions that have disastrous results. Ofte times, they do it over, and over again.
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:55 pm CathyJo,
If she wasn’t working, then how in the hello could she be expected to pay child support?
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The same reason I am expected to go to work everyday to take care of my kids I GET A JOB!!!!
The AG’s office expects you to get a job and support your kids, Jason.
no need to get mad Jason,just do some searches,ya know for a yr. I was arguing what you are right now! till i found out alot of truths!
yep,thats why sh and chad didn’t marry too!
not b/c Haleigh was gone!
I agree Jason,like the one theyre making now!
We have named so many reasons why we should be looking at the Sheffields and not one person has gave a reason why Misty would have done it other than she is in jail for selling drugs. hmmmm….. Truth is always crystal clear.
I am not against you Jason,I just want you to look around,Its not one sided,alot are to blame,we both know that!!! but all of it shouldn’t be on R and M!
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:59 pm Yes, unfortunatley, some court judges, more than others, make poor decisions that have disastrous results. Ofte times, they do it over, and over again.
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This sounds just like the ominous perdiction that Marie spouted during the custody procedings.
Ron Cummings, or any other male, can’t take care of his own children financially, then why in the hello did he create them?
This generation of boys are growing up thinking they can make the babies, and put financial responsibility on the mother.
We didn’t look at it that way. We knew we had to provide financially for our children, and we did.
Whether we had 2 or 15, we took responsibility.
DENISE,MISTY IS AN 18 YR OLD GIRL,TURNED 18 THE DAY SHE WENT TO JAIL IF I’M NOT MISTAKEN,SHE IS FACING JAIL TILL FOREVER REALLY,IF SHE KNEW ONE THING SHE WOULD HAVE SPILLED IT THE 1ST DAY!!!!
oops….sorry shewwww!
But not about Haleigh!
I want the right person to pay for that!
Marie should talk,i can’t believe that side!!!!
i thought in a criminal case you look for who had motive?? Evidently i am wrong!
Tons to do yet, today, so no more venting from me about this.
Later ya’all.
Jesus Jason,thats silly,it is,then why did she have them,she carried them?
brb phone
Jason you are obviously from the old school, possible older than my school, because so many dead beat dads expect the mothers to support the children since I was divorced in “90”. I supported my children just like a good mother should, but that never lessened their fathers resposibility towards our children he did. So I am all for the fathers supporting their children as well as the mother. Just think of how much more can be provided for the children if both parents are held to the same standard.
I agree! I have said all along she knows nothing! Cobra seen things from the very beginning and when he started looking for Haleigh “Under Kim’s watch” he got to hear and see alot of what was going on “behind the scenes” everyone hear for the most part think that Cobra is a stand up guy and wanted to do the right thing by Haleigh. Even Simon, Jan, and TJ. The first rumblings I heard that was weird to me was the statement Cobra made to some effect of “I work for Haleigh and that is my main concern” and then the next thing I know he is fighting with KIm and getting arrested for something he said he was set up for. Thats when all the drama began and he started spilling the beans with Tim H. Then the next thing I know he is not mad at Kim anymore and wants to make up. That was weird. Then I heard the videos where Cobra was asking the reporter not to write about anything he told him. Now Cobra is getting quiet and doesnt want anything to do with Haleigh case anymore he has to deal with his “legal issues” Next I hear about the criminal complaint against the police dept. and from the videos I have read know that Cobra wasnt crazy about this getting out. Now he is getting the charges probably pled down to a lesser charge but he cannot step foot in Putnam County and he is to stay away from anything Haleigh…. This is not just coincidental. I think Cobra realizes what he needed to get off his chest has turned into something bigger than he could imagine. This is all just my opinion but the videos I have heard has Cobras voice saying he was told to set up Misty. And that is where we are now….
First, it is the COURT that decided Crystal should pay child support. It is the COURT she had to answer to for not doing so. And somehow she’s gotten out of it AGAIN!
Second, it is obvious that some bloggers visit here for the sole purpose of starting arguments like this. We’ve told them the facts and shown them the links and they do not care.
So what is their point? Getting sick kicks? Just “ugly blogging?” Or do they want to get our Haleigh thread shut down?
I don’t know but I do know that it is not worth talking to them. There is no UP Side. Nothing positive comes of it and only negative can result.
So friends, I sincerely recommend that you make a mental note of those people and IGNORE them.
M2c, Best post I’ve read all evening!
LMAO It was just a little fun watching the tongue lashing Jason has gotten. But I agree we should not respond to the bad and ugly posts that are posted to disrupt the discussion that was at hand.
I can’t even read anymore… Okay so we know that abuse of drugs is a standard practice for both sides!! Yet, I can’t understand why some are so much more outraged at the crack/pipe issues… which by the way was not on vid/aud! Rather than flipping out over Ronnie sliding pills in his mouth, dealing and buying, and his tit-tay bill-fold having ex-wife is yelling out “Baby, baby… he don’t want to do it right here… want to go to Spinners?”!!!
Ok I will just say…. Crack is when you reach rock bottom.
Crack makes your teeth rotten and sores on your face.
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 8:06 pm Ron Cummings, or any other male, can’t take care of his own children financially, then why in the hello did he create them?
This generation of boys are growing up thinking they can make the babies, and put financial responsibility on the mother.
We didn’t look at it that way. We knew we had to provide financially for our children, and we did.
Whether we had 2 or 15, we took responsibility.
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Amen, brother. Notice how Ron’s surrounded by WOMEN who take responsibility for EVERYTHING? Even marry him to get him out of stat rape charges and then divorce at his pleasure!
“Misty’s the best gf my son ever had!” LOL
JMO
CathyJo63 said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 8:06 pm DENISE,MISTY IS AN 18 YR OLD GIRL,TURNED 18 THE DAY SHE WENT TO JAIL IF I’M NOT MISTAKEN,SHE IS FACING JAIL TILL FOREVER REALLY,IF SHE KNEW ONE THING SHE WOULD HAVE SPILLED IT THE 1ST DAY!!!!
oops….sorry shewwww!
But not about Haleigh!
I want the right person to pay for that!
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And how old was Crystal when she took up with Ron? Why aren’t you mad at Ron for getting Misty in this position? Oh, I know, “poor choices.”
Sauce for the goose.
Is sauce for the gander.
Alethea, what are you talking about????
Discussion at hand? You mean the Ron damage control committee.
What damage control are you talking about??? You need to be clear with what you are saying
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:55 pm CathyJo,
If she wasn’t working, then how in the hello could she be expected to pay child support?
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Ummm…maybe by getting a job rather than getting pregnant to her brother and using drugs during her pregnancy? Or do you think mom’s should be allowed to use illegal drugs while pregnant, and drive with their infants while under the influence?
she had a wreck with her newborn in the car becuase she had a seizure from doing drugs/
Jason,
I’m wondering if perhaps you have been in trouble for being a dead beat dad and that’s why you think it’s ok to not support your own children? Do you think no parent who doesn’t have sole custody of their children should have to support them? You must hate children to want to see that happen….there are so many single moms out there who’s kids wouldn’t survive if their exes didn’t pay child support.
Jason said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:54 pm CathyJo,
That was Cobra’s perspective; not fact. Same as TJ ‘thought’ Crystal was ‘hitting on him’ [paraphrased]. LOL!
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The woman was running around with a machete and hurt herself with it….she had to have been on something.
I dont care if its the mom or the dad whoever is not living with the child and doesnt have partial custody needs to get a job and pay for their kid. Women fought for equal rights well take responsibity. I would work 3 jobs to support my kids
me said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 8:39 pm
“Getting pregnant by her brother?”
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Here we go again. That right there shows you have an agenda.
HE IS NOT THAT GIRLS BROTHER!!!!!
In my book that would be incest!!!! Tit-for-tat …. so I guess that would make RON a ?
who cares who she is sleeping with thats the least of her problems.
me said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 8:41 pm Jason,
I’m wondering if perhaps you have been in trouble for being a dead beat dad and that’s why you think it’s ok to not support your own children? Do you think no parent who doesn’t have sole custody of their children should have to support them? You must hate children to want to see that happen….there are so many single moms out there who’s kids wouldn’t survive if their exes didn’t pay child support.
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How do you get that from what he said? By deliberately turning it around, or did you genuinely miss the point?
In my neck of the woods we hold the parents responsible for their childrens actions until they are 18.
Can someone please explain how this bickering about ?? about?? whatever it is ?/ anyway , how does this help us find haleigh?
MeThinks, it doesn’t help!!
15/spook! I’m gonna’ go lay down, it’s way past my bedtime. Just sent the grandchildren home….must rest goodnight and I’ll catch up with ya’ tommorrow…I’m still a tad under the weather, thats why I haven’t had much to say all day.
Take it easy… MeThinks, I’m going to watch another MI5 episode myself.
night all!!
Good night MeThinks. I hope you get to feeling better.
enjoy your show cent. I am also callin it a day. I will stop in again when I have some time. Night all.
I am very sure that there are very few people here that think Ron’s an angel. But the type of ridiculous accusations that some others attack R with 100% of the time, FORCE reasonable people to point out the faults of the mother and to point out some FACTS.
It is absolutely ridiculous and useless for anyone to believe either R or C is an angel or a devil. Neither one of them are great parents. They’ve both effed up badly.
The only reason we’re interested in either one – and it should be BOTH – is to find out what happened to Haleigh.
So please, try to understand that most people are not R lovers or defenders but have to speak up when the R haters/C cult followers are spewing.
Also I think it is interesting to note that people like THAT usually show up whenever there is an interesting discussion going on looking into whether/how/if the bio-mom’s side may have had something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.
It’s called “Disruption and Distraction.”
Used quite successfully by M, KP & Co for quite a while.
Their “following” simply haven’t caught up with the times (or the facts) yet.
Although many have realized their mistake and been ashamed and sorry and even apologized on some blogs for it. Unfortunately those former cult-members aren’t the ones showing up here now.
(Above I meant MG, KP & Co.)
Sorry Guys,about Jason but I gave up after i tried forever and then i saw that even if Haleigh had beeen found and cs did it he would still argue it was b/c of Ron wanting money from cs!
alethea said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 pm
And how old was Crystal when she took up with Ron? Why aren’t you mad at Ron for getting Misty in this position? Oh, I know, “poor choices.”
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He was 15, and she was 14….she would have been the more mature of the two, and I believe she probably got Ron involved in drugs, after all, she had just moved out of a drug house being run by her own mother. TN & GGMS were not running drug houses and Ron wasn’t involved in drugs before he met Crystal. So…..I wonder if she got Chad into the crack…his first cocaine conviction was around the time they hooked up.
alethea said,in March 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 pm
*********Althea,I have always said here that ron was wrong to have a teenager watch his children!
Let me rephrase that Althea! Wrong b/c he knew she had been off on a binge and used,and didn’t want to watch Haleigh that night!
I got married at 15,married for 25 yrs Althea so….
CathyJo,
Honey, I take no offense to anything you’ve posted – no need for you to feel sorry about anything. My opinions belong to me, as yours do you. If we don’t agree, that’s OK, LOL!
Exactly,I agree there!
m2c,I surely did not mean to ruffle your feathers earlier today. I just saw your replies. I guess certain things seem odd to me and not to you. That is ok because we all have our own convictions. The only thing is you are the one that informed me of that info. You told me you believed it was TJ that made the statement on the Sunday talk radio show the first weekend of Feb. I missed that one and I even thanked you for that info.
Jason,All I am trying to say is i want the truth of it,I want Haleigh found,we have focused on m and r for over a yr now,Haleighs no closer to home and IMO They are barking up the wrong tree,but if I am wrong Jason,I promise you i will ask you to loan me salt and pepper for my crow……all i want is the one whose guilty to be punished,not everybody who knew Haleigh!not fair to them either,the longer it goes,the longer they are suffering without any closure!I do believe with all my heart Ron did nothing,but i do know that Misty was responsible for Haleigh that night.not ron,not even crystal and IMO also I think misty is lying about being home or about her company so she needs to tell the truth and then everybody can go on looking to find the truth here,but she doesn’t and hell yea I’m mad at her for that!if she really knows nothing then she should tell where she was,what time she got home! who was there!
Thats all i am saying!
CathyJo, you can come over for dinner because I don’t believe Ron is guilty either!!! If he is we can eat crow together. However, I think we will be the one’s serving it not eating it.
LoL Exactly Treece!
Are there any new tapes,videos out? lol
Its just gotten so quiet!!
I really don’t want to take a side Ron on one side and Crystal on the other. We tend to forget that LE has alot more informatuon than we do. A year is really not so long where there is no body, and all of us on this blog need to get over ourselves, because we are not going to be the ones to solve this. LE will solve this. We don’t have all of the pieces of the puzzle. LE may not have all the pieces, but they are closer than we are to the truth. I think they know what they are doing. With all of these people in jail. LE has the upper hand. We need to be patient for a little while longer and let them do their job.
how do i register on BNN? LoL Silly question i know,but i’ve looked,i assumed i was but apparently I’m not!
No, I don’t know of any new news really. It looks like we should have had some more tapes released but I haven’t heard of any.
ty Treece,yea i know Karon,its just a mess!
CJ, the orange button at the top that says forum will take you in to register if you want to be able to do PM’s. Is that what you mean??
Yes Treece!
CathyJoe:
Are you wanting to go into the forums? What do you mean registered?
M2 asked me to register b/c she needs to pm me?
ok click on that orange tab and on the next page click on the word forum that is right above Simons name. Then you will have a place to register your info.
I don’t think its a good idea tho,i just looked and it says there are certain rules about it.lol but when someone argues silliness now its hard not to take a stand,lol
ohhhh,ok Ty Treece,I’ll think on it…lol
I’ve got an awful headache,my neighbors fit all night long!
CathyJoe:
There will always be somone around with a different opinion than ours. Somebody will always want to argue.
I am equal opportunity about Haleigh’s family. I am equally mad at all of them.
CathyJo, if you don’t want to register M2c can send me a pm for you and I will then email it to you if she wants to.
M2c, if you want to send a PM to CJ you can PM it to me and then I will email it to her for you if you want.
This sounds crazy girls I think I need to go to bed. lol
me to,thats my point! I mean just when someone argues and we try to tell them to look at the proof,what we know of truth ayway,but they still argue about the drugs..when I don’t think theres a person in Haleighs life anywhere that wasn’t!its equal,yes indeed! I don’t get upset about that because i don’t know anymore than anyone else!
drugs..when I don’t think theres a person in Haleighs life anywhere that wasn’t ON Drugs,lol!its equal,yes indeed! I don’t get upset about that because i don’t know
lol Treec,why is that crazy,if youre tired?
I tried counting sheep Treece but the first one was too stubborn to jump!
TY Treece,i believe ill ask ya to do that!
It just sounded funny to me.
m2c pm me 4 cj I will pm cj 4u – funny like we are speaking our own language.
That stubborn sheep kept you awake because he wouldn’t jump – lol
We may be fuming and fretting, and one of the Fidgety Five may have already told LE what they need to know. That may be why it has gotten so quiet. There is a reason for them releasing so many of those tapes at one time, and there is a reason why they stopped them. I wonder if they released the tapes as a way of aggravating them more. Anything to add a little more pressure to them and their families. This isn’t LE’s first rodeo.
Off Topic for a sec.
A friend called earlier and his attorney who helped him with general legal stuff,a divorce,estate stuff etc…..Anyway his attorney was 42,beautiful woman,lives near me actually,married with 3 sons..and she’d passed away..so he asked if i’d go online and see what happened and I got the shock of my life!
She had shot herself in the head while her 3 son’s were home and i learned on down the page she’d had a relationship with a 14 yr old boy!and was ashamed basically!
yes,he did!lol
neigbors were all drunk,i am surprised the cops didn’t come last night!
I tell you this blogging at night will keep you awake, because it is too stimulating. You have to stay alert to type and think of all the answers, and face the challanges.
Right Karon,I hope so!
They say its quietest just before the storm!
People have some strange problems, even seemingly well- educated, successful people. That’s for sure.
LoL Karon! I know!
They sure do Karon,goes to show ya,money ain’t everything…but i feel so bad for her son’s,teenagers at that,it’s not like they won’t remember!
You’d have to be in a dark place to get in that state of mind!
CathyJoe:
There is a reason for all this quietness. It isn’t by accident. For one thing, we are used to them being put in and out of jail or fighting someobody or something going on. Now, they are all just sitting in jail quiet, and it’s a shock to our system. We don’t know how to handle all this quietness. LOL
LoL You got that right,hadn’t thought of it that way!!
every morning i get up and pray to turn on my puter and see she’s been found,I noticed for the last few days i kinda hesitate for some reason!
I think someone will say something, and LE will use that something to get one of the others to say something, and on and on. Then they may get a few more of their friends in jail and find out a little bit more. Eventually, it will come out. I think soon, really. Misty and Tommy aren’t handling jail too well, and someone will crack.
Yea,I figured Misty or Tommy will break before anybody but i am afraid to bet on who goes first!
Karon,please don’t think I’m rude,i love bloggin with ya,and it kills me to leave you here alone but my head is killing me and i gotta take something and lay back for a few……the more i look at this screen the worse it gets,wasn’t that bad 30 min ago!!!
At first, I thought it would be Tommy but, now, I think Misty may be the one. In fact, I wonder if she has already told LE something and that’s what Misty taking another LDT is all about. They want her to prove what she is saying.
Have a good rest.
ya know,i bet youre right!!!!!!!!!!!!why else would they give another!
I’m sorry Karon,if it eases in a bit ill bb but the more i squint,the more i can’t squint,lol
I never get h/a!
Am I the only one still standing after the shootout?
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 1:59 am Am I the only one still standing after the shootout?
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LOL Karen I have been reading.
They missed me because I was hiding in the bushes.
CathyJo is wondering why she has a headache!!
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:04 am They missed me because I was hiding in the bushes
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LOL they dont miss me thats for sure. I am looking a campgrounds in FL for a trip.
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:05 am CathyJo is wondering why she has a headache!!
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I have had a headache for 2 weeks but its my blood presure.
I am still waving a white flag and saying, “I don’t have any favorites. I hate everybody. Honest!”
That’s not good. You can’t get it down?
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:08 am I am still waving a white flag and saying, “I don’t have any favorites. I hate everybody. Honest!”
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I know where your coming from and know how you feel but I cant use the word hate. Just wish we would get some sort of news, just a little bit…we all have about had it, ya know.
Florida is a pretty state.
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:09 am That’s not good. You can’t get it down?
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No my B/P meds are not working.
Florida is a pretty state.
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:09 am That’s not good. You can’t get it down?
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No my B/P meds are not working.
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:12 am Florida is a pretty state.
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Yes it is but i almost dont want to go there this year.
I am just kidding about hating. I do get mad at both sides over the kids.
Well, I am going for tonite..Got to rest. TTY again soon Karen. We got to keep praying for Haleigh and this circus to end. Nite
Just stay out of Satsuma. If I were in Florida, however, I might be tempted to go to that restaurant that Cobra was always talking about in Satsuma, out of curiosity.
Goodnight.
After seeing SO much “propaganda” and outrageous unfounded accusations against R (starting back in the MG/KP days) and continuing even today, I’m led to believe that there are people who hate R more than they love Haleigh.
There is no other explanation for it. The accusations and diatribes serve no purpose whatsoever in finding Haleigh.
And neither do the defences of bio-mom. It seems to me that anyone who truly wants Haleigh to be found would be looking EVERYWHERE! But from the start, looking at bio-mom’s side has been a big no-no and resulted in lies, deceipt, a real campaign of misinformation – disruption and distraction.
If all you want to do is trash R, go to the mud pits or somewhere. Don’t come here pretending you care about Haleigh being found. And same for anyone – if there is anyone – who only wants to trash C. That does nothing to find Haleigh. IMO
Hi, looking for Justice!
Not sure about your last comment. Not sure why you are so intent on hearing official confirmation of R’s work hours. LE has told us what they want to tell us. If that is not enough, write to them.
But I seriously doubt that LE thinks it’s their job to confirm any information for us.
And it’s certainly not PDM’s job either.
Or, as I suggested before, plug one option into your theory and see how it works. And then plug the other option in and see how that works. I’m not trying to be mean. I just really don’t understand the fixation on this or the inability to understand why we may not get the details that you want confirmed the way you want. That’s the way LE has run this whole investigation – they’ve told us very little (and who knows if everything they’ve said has been true or not?)
Also, I was going to ignore it but the basic issue has raised its ugly head again so I will address it now.
On the article we were previously blogging under someone said:
“While I can hardly wait to know for SURE what Happened to Haleigh…..I dread that day, cause HALF of us here will be CRUSHED!!!!”
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Personally I am going to be THRILLED the day they find out what happened to Haleigh and hopefully bring her home. I DO NOT CARE who is responsible. Whoever it is, I want them caught – and I want it proven – and I want Haleigh brought home.
What that person’s comment implies is that this is some kind of betting parlor. That it’s more important to some people that they be right, than it is that the right person be discovered.
That’s sad. And I’m sorry to say that I think it’s true.
But “half the people on here” will not “be crushed” because I’m not one of them nor are a bunch of others I know of. But there are some that is for sure. What a shame.
over the river and thru the woods…….thank you for the directions to find yall, good morning, just stopping in to see if there is any news whatsoever……well said m2c, I, too, will be thrilled the day they find this child…….and I hope that along the way they find out what happened and who did it.
Morning, DramaQueen! Me, too. And I guess the priorities you mentioned are right. Find Haleigh and then find out what happened and who’s responsible.
I have NO investment in WHO did it at all. I just hope LE finds the RIGHT person AND Haleigh.
Goodmorning m2c, I am trying to rule out Ron as a suspect, but it seems impossible! TJ is an excellent investigative reporter. Yes it was said that LE is satisfied with Ron and they said he was not a suspect on August 17th 2009. On 09/09 TJ wrote an article here at BNN just two or three weeks later stating Rons timeline may be getting wobbly. He gave us his confirmed work hours for Ron and said that Terry Shoemaker said Ron got to work at almost 4:30pm on the day Haleigh vanished. This is significant because Rons lawyers say he did not have to be to work until 5PM putting him 30 minutes early for his shift. TJs’ confirmed work hours put Ron getting to work 30 minutes LATE. Now m2c do you see my dilemma? I just could not figure out your attitude.
Just to let you know m2c TJs confirmed work hours can be found on sept 3rd 2009 BNN archives. Timeline improving. After re-reading that article TJ must have confirmed with LE and PDM.
Right, lfJ, but I believe some blogger was pressing for confirmation about whether R was there for sure the whole time and just a couple of weeks ago TJ said that he had asked for more info from PDM but they were not forthcoming (If I remember correctly)
So what is it you want to know and who do you want to hear it from before you believe it?
lFJ – I don’t understand you either! LOL!
It is not LE’s job to inform you of anything or confirm anything for you. It is not PDM’s job either. TJ can only ask and depend on what sources he has and PDM has not responded to his additional questions. That’s what he said on the radio a couple of weeks ago. But you still seem to expect this info to be provided (by someone) to satisfy your desire to rule out R. I doubt LE or PDM care much about that.
There are several issues here. One is: when was R expected at work and for how long? (Several sources have answered that and LE said they were satisfied). Another is: when did R actually get to work and how long did he work? (Again LE seems satisfied although it’s been confusing for others to find out the details). And the third issue is people asking whether R could have slipped away from work during that period of time. No one that I know of has or has been able to answer that.
You keep asking why is it so difficult to get this confirmation? LE has not confirmed a darn thing in this investigation for whatever reasons they have. I would not expect it. I would be surprised if they did. They have played this very close to the vest. How you could expect such confirmation I do not know.
That’s why I’m flummoxed.
Also, I believe Terry Shoemaker IS R’s lawyer.
So if he said R got there closer to 4:30 AND that he was to start work at 5 that day then it’s correct that he was a half-hour early that day (at least according to TS, R’s lawyer)
m2c I am hoping Ron is not involved. I do not believe they can prove if Ron was there the whole time. That is why on the 1/31/2010 they discussed that the time clocks were being changed out and perhaps there may be a witness that gave new info on Ron. Perhaps there were no time clocks available at the time for everyone to clock- in or out on. Therefore they have no way to prove if Ron was there the whole time. Yes he was seen in the break room on lunch break, but sketchy after that. What method they used for employees to validate they came in and left and at what times; I do not know. I do not want to know anything anymore for I believe TJ and he confirms what he prints. I am beginning to believe LE may be thinking Ron also knows what happened to Haleigh.
m2c you make a good point. Terry Shoemaker is Rons lawyer. It is his job to protect Ron.
I have seen no credible info about witnesses or anything else that do or don’t put R at work the whole time or imply he could have left.
All of that has been rumor, I believe.
So we are right where we always were – not sure of anything. And that seems to be where LE wants us.
I would prefer that some people not be involved, responsible or even know about it after the fact but since I can’t know that I have to factor in all the possibilities to my theories. That’s why I have a lot of theories.
The fact is LE is not going to give up their witnesses to the media. TJ reports credible info. This is what I am basing my thoughts and opinions on.
Good Morning
M2C n Looking 4 justice
Good points from u both.I often would like to get into the discussion n debates w/ u guys but I feel like my input isnt as interesting.As Ive followed this case from day 1also,just cant seem to get into bloogin like u guys. I have a full plate at home right now.
The factis m2c I do understand you and what you are saying. What I said is I do not understand the attitude. I personally am not an argumentative person. You came unglued at the comment That Rons work schedule is not confirmed. I said nothing else pertaining to it. After going back and re-reading the article I realized that that TJs timeline was confirmed. I am satisfied with that.
I have to agree justice
I think something w/ Ron is fishy.IMO nothing he’s done has made sense.I do get why he married Misty but I dont get why he’s constantly defended her lies.When it should be about finding “his heart” Haleigh.
sorry bloggin 10:14 post lol lol
Good Morning,
m2c I want to say you are a breath of fresh air that over powers the stink.
I am in total agreement that it will be a very happy day indeed when HaLeigh is returned.
I am at a lost as to why Rons is still under the microscope for HaLeighs abduction. I do not defend his irresponsible and illegal actions,decisions or habits, but, I will stand up and defend him as a father that truly loves and adores his children.
Ron may be capable of a lot of things but not hurting,killing and disposing of HaLeigh, nor would he cover up this crime for another.
I also want to make it clear that I will expect all that are in jail to be charged for the crime they have committed, drug trafficking.
You know Pinkey I am not quick on pointing fingers especially when it points to a parent of a missing child. I try to take credible info and use it to base my opinions on those facts released. I have now come to terms that Ron does know something. The fact is something could of happend before Ronald went to work and the fatality may have occured later. I do agree with you that there is something fishy up with Ron too.
I still think sometimes that Johnny Sheffield could have been involved, but that theory is fading.
I went and read the article and all the comments that have been posted here and I was surprised that no one caught a few answers to the question that the show Sunday ended with.
It seems someone did want us to know that Marie did go out of town over the weekend. Now I do not think this is suspicious, but, have to ask why the gossip chain, items of interest mentioned and all the damage control.
I have to admit it does make you wonder a little bit more as to why the Cummings where discussing Marie’s get away with concern.
As we have been told many times in the past the Cummings (and Croslins) believe the Sheffield/Griffis family have HaLeigh.
You know Texasmommy I hope they are right. Maries going out of town is not suspicious to me either. I am interested in the items of interest and the relevance to Haleigh, if there is any. As it stands right now it is just idle rumor.
good morning everyone! I just have one queston of m2c…What does flummoxed mean??? LOL
I read on several websites about HaLeigh. I do not post but admire all who are looking for answers for this baby. It may have been this site where I read the statements, not sure. There was a photo-bucket post showing a handwritten note from someone who said..the guards where R worked could be paid to turn their head should an employee wish to leave without clocking out. Could this be why the company is not responding to questions and revamping their time clock? Also, believed to ba a missing mexican man after R and ? made a trip to his town following Misty’s party weekend and that the abduction was revenge related. If this has been discussed here, please disregard this post. Thanks.
Well that idle rumor had damage control from both sides and it begs for a thought and discussion.
It may be of some relavance to HaLeighs abduction and where we might find HaLeigh.
You know if it was one of the other players involved it would of been time lined with commetary and pictures would of suddenly appear WWW style to confirm with news coverage.
flmom41 at 11:03 am – Hi! Hope you come back to post with us.
The problem from the beginning with this case is the lack of reliable information. That’s why there are so many rumors flying around like the ones you mention. We can “discuss” them but there is no way to prove or disprove any of them with the little real info we have.
lfJ – I’m sorry if my “attitude” came across wrong. What my real “attitude” was was flummoxed. You’ve asked the same things several times now and been given the same responses. I was flummoxed that it was continuing. I am glad that now you have whatever it was you were looking for.
Texasmommy, I agree with you that it could mean something very important, but we have nothing to go on at this point. We do not have the info on where Marie went or what those items are. I would love to believe Haleigh will be coming home and this is what this info is leading up to.
If any Sheffield/Griffis is involved in Haleighs disappearance then they also need to be punished.I am all for it!!
I do not care about being right or wrong in a case like this. I believe all should be investigated and the proper snetencing should be rendered to whomever it may be.
thanks m2c…LOL sometimes I just get so confused!
Texasmommy39 – I think it was a blogger who accused TN of leaking the info. I don’t remember the source being mentioned on the radio. So if that’s the case then of course it was ALL damage control for MG and taking advantage of an opportunity to bash TN.
Such behavior is SO obvious I don’t know how those people think they can fool anyone! LOL!
Oh, no new information, huh? I so wish they would find little Haleigh, or figure out what happened to her.
Ya know, folks, I have not been blogging here for very long. I read what others here were saying for a some time before I ever posted.
The reason I began posting here is I had seen seen so much crap/fighting/name-calling on other sites, and this site seemed different. This site seemed to have a number of intelligent, insightful, caring. Others’ opinions were respected here for the most part, other than the occasional uproar and the occasional troll festival.
Truth is, none of us knows what happened. And another truth is, neither of Haleigh’s parents is fit to raise children.
I have never felt, and still do not feel, that Ronald intentionally hurt Haleigh. I have always felt, and still feel, that he was responsible for seeing to it that his children were left with someone competent to properly care for them. I do not think Misty was that person and I think he knew her well enough to know that.
That said, I hold Ronald responsible to some degree for what happened.
I had always respected Nancy Grace for holding mothers responsible for allowing abusers and such around their kids, but when she did not hold this father accountable as she holds mothers, I began to see her as one who cares for ratings rather than finding the truth.
I hold Crystal accountable as well, for not raising Holy Hell with DFS over the lack of proper care for her children.
I am not taking sides, and I have not ruled out anyone on either side. I just don’t know what happened, but in any case of both parents behaving badly, I am suspicious of both.
I did not come here to fight, to argue, or to see bloggers calling each other stupid for having one opinion or another, etc. From now on I will come to BNN only to see if there are any new articles, new information, etc. I am not here to blog anymore because, sad to say, this site is turning into what so many other sites have become–a place to bash, bicker, and name-call, rather than a place to discuss the facts and seek answers to questions that we all have.
Everyone have a great day, and please forgive my typos.
Over and out.
*prayers for Haleigh*
Also, TM39, I don’t think the Cummings/Croslins mentioned the Sheffield/Griffis possibility until fairly recently. Some of us mentioned it long ago as a possibility.
But R took all those attacks from the MG camp and never shot back – and Gosh knows he could have considering what we later found out about C and MG etc.
Thank you m2c. I also agree with your 11:16 post. when will these two families stop this bashing to one another. I wish they would come together and focus only on Haleigh.
m2c..thanks for your response and I agree about the rumors. Until HaLeigh went missing, I had no idea there were sites like this where people tried to help find missing children. I do not feel qualified to post but… feel the need to check in for new info. With all the theorys I have read, one of them is sure to be the right one..wish we knew!
cathartic – As you said this site USUALLY is a good place to discuss all theories and aspects of the case.
But we do get nasties in here from time to time – like yesterday evening. They do it on purpose.
Please don’t let THEM ruin BNN for you. Because then they will have achieved one of their goals.
Do you think people like that want to see a site that has been as good as this one most of the time? Certainly not. So they’ll do everything they can to ruin it and run off people like you.
Stay with us. Blog. And when you see a trouble-maker just ignore him/her. I’m not always successful but I am trying to do that myself.
You bring a lot of good to this blog. Really.
Has anyone wondered why Misty is taking another poligraph? Could it be because she is confirming something she has said and it would prove her being truthful? Or is it being taken because she is clearer on what happened now?
It was odd that it got mentioned right after she threw Joe under the bus????? jmo
Cathartic…. don’t leave me!!!
Tobias… I keep reading that she is/wants taking a new LDT. Please direct me to the “actual” vid of her saying it. Thanks
I don’t understand why they would humor the idea of another poly with her..how many has she flunked already? They’ve got to be getting tired of her same old inconsistancies…stories and the like. I guess I missed something. Is she requesting this or are they requesting this?
m2c
I seem to have had the impression from as early as February that Ron suspected Crystal and family were involved.
All of TN and GGMS comments where a little to sweet in my opinion not to have a double agenda. The Cummings fought back within the perimeter that I believe LE has established for this family. We must remember he has been fighting Marie’s Minoans since day one and then the task force of Cobra,Fart,and miss K piggy. So to believe Ron was in the dark until just recently is not realistic. JMO
It seems obvious to me that each family would turn on the other the minute it was announced by LE that it was no stranger abduction.
TM39 – Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to say R was in the dark from the beginning about that possibility. I just meant that I thought he was remarkably restrained in not striking back in kind – the way they were striking out at him.
Tobias, I think it could be she has offered up some info and they want her to take the poly to see if she is being truthful. I hope thats what it is and it will bring Haleigh home. Cousin Joe could very well be involved. I guess my next question is, did she in fact take it? If she did and she told the truth we should be hearing about it soon.
Cathartic, you bring alot to this blog. Please don’t leave.
Anyone else catch Ma Croslin call Tommy… Bubba? So is this a nic that is used for both sons, or is it a slip?
cent, I think the nic “Bubba” is a nic used by parents in the south for sons and other males…Not sure what it means but I think it means tuff redneck. sort of.JMO
The link is on you tube. Video of Misty saying she is gonna take another lie detecter test NG show. jmo
Is it safe to enter? Any drive bys? And what happened with Cathartic?! Cathartic! COME BACK!
Goodmorning BAC, I think it is just a nic. I have heard alot of parents call their sons bubba or bubby. It is often used here in Florida
There are two supposedly separate investigations going on. One is for drugs and it’s being run by a different dept of LE than the one investigating Haleigh’s disappearance.
After the arrests one of the LE investigating Haleigh pointed that out and said that they would still like to speak with M about Haleigh IF her lawyer will let her.
That is the last I’ve heard about it. I have no idea if her lawyer (and what lawyer does she have now? Do we know?) has let her talk to anyone in the drugs case or in Haleigh’s case.
So when M is talking about taking an LDT is it regarding the drug charges or Haleigh? We just aren’t getting info from LE about what’s going on now.
If I remember correctly it was said that someone in LE advised Ron to marry Misty.
I am not saying that is true or not, but, at the time it really made sense, because LE could have charged him prior to their marriage and did not and CPS would probably of felt more comfortable with Misty removed from the home until HaLeigh was found especially with the circumstances of HaLeigh’s abduction.
I was witness to a dramatic change in Crystal and her Mother at that point.
In fact is was the Justice Coalition Press Release, that changed my indecisiveness about these players. It was a day or two after Ron and Misty announced there engagement.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18899452/detail.html
Does anyone have a link to the video of the news presser? I can not seem to find it.
Hi Looking,
JB… you are in safe hands…. MeThinks/Pink Panther’s… I am MI5/Spooks team member… Shhh don’t tell, I’m undercover!!!
cent…whispers….it’s okay…yer’ secrets safe with me!!! teedaldeedee
I do not have alot of theories about Haleighs disappearance. I have thought of an accidental situation that occured in her demise. Never intentional. I just do not see it. I also have wondered about a drug deal gone bad. Although this drug arrest only had to deal with pharmeceuticals, I wonder if before Haleigh went missing if the dealing consisted of cocaine, marijuana and pills etc.. I do not know if anyone caught Ron asking the UC if he had any powder. I interpreted this to be cocaine. As for the other side of the family it is still possible, but I do not think that is where the answers lye.
Cent you are too funny. Oh! by the way you have Nancy Grace down to a tee. I thought it was hilarious.
I would not imagine she would want to take another LDT in regards to HaLeigh. It would be front page news if someone chose to say she failed regardless of what LE will not reveal or confirm.
I would think it involves her current problems and LE’s investigation of the perscription drug trade going on in PC. She could very well bring down many to get her sentence reduced and the fact this is her first time getting into legal trouble.
I still can’t help think accident. I personally don’t think these people are smart enough to be trusted by big drug dealers with any significant amount of drugs. I think they need to go back and drain some more ponds.jmo
I agree about draining some more ponds. I just do not know that after all this time there would be any significant evidence to find there especially with all of the gators.
lfj, I agree there may not be much left, but maybe they could find some clothing or even a tooth… I know the gators are bad in fla. but there still could be something small. It would be a very tedious job but I think it could be done if LE would get out there and just try instead of waiting for misty to tell them.
methinks I wish too. They could possibly find something. You are right the gators are very bad here. I personally am terrified of them. We usually go to Blue Springs for our summer outings. The water is clear and cold and it has some beautiful boils. Everyone has to get out when the manatees come through. They are beautiful mammals. I refuse to go anywhere to swim that has swamp like features. I like to be able to see what is around me and under me.
*JB tip toes into the room…watching for cow patties, stampedes, flying daggers, hurled insults or other flying debris….* Never know what you might walk into these days but the coast appears to be clear….for now! 😉
Does anyone remember on the video where Misty talked about the LDT….what was the conversation about just prior to and just after she made that statement and about not sleeping well so they didn’t do the test? Were they talking about Haleigh or the drug case?
I have been having trouble with my video on the computer lately so I have not seen all the jail tapes. The one I saw of the arrest it seemed to me that the UC was selling them hundreds of pills. Right?
Was there any video of R,M,T,DB or Hope selling pills to the UC or to anyone else? TIA
Hello JB, yes the coast is clear, but tread lightly it could all change at the slightest vibration.
LFJ – Hello! I’m good, I’ve got a suit of armor, a helmet, waders, and I brought a taser, water cannon and pepper spray for crowd control. I’m READY!
JB’s tip-toeing, Cent and Methinks are undercover. So where’s that put me? The front lines! Thanks guys! LOL! I’m just cannon fodder, I guess. But it’s okay. I’ve already been thru so much I wear a bullet proof vest at the computer and have a first aid kit handy.
Maybe I should invest in one of those bomb defuser outfits like in The Hurt Locker movie.
I wonder if they come in any color besides green? 🙂
What do you guys make of the Mexicans? That was weird to say the least.jmo
Oh, wow, JB. I’ve been in total defense mode. Didn’t think of arming myself. Maybe I’ll look up some really big words and hit ’em with that next time! LOL!
Tobias, what “that” was weird about the Mexicans? Do you mean T saying some other inmate mentioned it?
Didnt TJ say one was missing in Cresent city or was I getting it wrong? jmo
lfj, I was bornin fla. so I know how scary the water can be…and gators are the scariest. I just can’t help but think that since they found caylee in a swampy area that maybe they could still find haleigh. It may depend on how she is packaged. I know how horrible that sounds, but it’s realistic from my point of view. I hope and pray that she is safe, but alas…time is running out and the probability is too. I would love for her to be with crystal…safe and unharmed…unfortunatley I don’t think that is the case. So the queston is, where are her remains? Can we find her and give her a proper burial? I hope we can.
Thank you Looking… I aim to please!!!
I’m watching the vids on youtube… anyone catch the reporter on the voice-over say that Ronald will kill who ever killed HaLeigh?
It’s at about 1:55-2:00 into the video on the 3/1/10 part 5.
jb, I hope you remembered a spare pair of undies!
No about Ron saying something on the Croslins porch way back about Mexicans. I must have missed that ,was it out there or was it just between Ron and the Croslins? Tommy said Ron was real tore up when he said it.jmo
*JB hands M2C the water cannon, a bright pink bomb defuser outfit and a dictionary*
I honestly do not remember if he said one was missing. I did hear him say they were not happy that people came asking questions. I believe a comment was that some of them may not have papers.
methinks – I’ve just quit wearing them altogether but I am working on a new kind of underwear to patent….it’s skidmark proof! LMAO
methinks – I’m working on a new model of underwear….it is skidmark proof! LOL
m2c drops and trips over the dictionary…the water cannon flies out of her hands and lfj catches it just in time to take cover under her desk!
Sorry….having trouble getting my posts to post….keep getting errors….. anyone else having trouble? I type something and hit enter and I get an error message and my post doesn’t show up….the last one I retyped and they BOTH showed up! SHEEESSHHH! Dang gremlins!
OMG LMAO
methinks – hee hee hee – But at least M2C will look stylish while she does it in her new BRIGHT PINK bomb defuser suit! LOL
Going to lunch…be back later….I’m thinking about wearing camo when I come back so you probably won’t even see me! LMAO
OMG the visual is killing me! LOL
methinks, I wish she was somewhere safe too. I too am losing hope that will be the outcome. Still praying that scenario is wrong.
Jumping in and out reading while vids play!!
M2C, I shall bestow on you the latest gadgets, the finest.. from the most highest and secretive covert mission ever pulled off!!!
Is it Maxwell Smarts shoe phone? lol
/me thinks about the day she lost her kodak easy share at Flagler beach and knows the sharks stilllaugh at her!
Hey guys! New vids??
annie okley decoder ring? oh wait I think I got that wrong…it’s orphan annie!
lunch time for the two year old munchkin.bbl
I thought we would have more tapes to look at today. They said on the show they had hopes of getting them to us by Wed. or Thurs.
Some one better tell Tommy that Rons snitch may have moved from Putnam to St. Johns. GGMS said there were snitches in there watch what you say. hmmmm. jmo
CathyJo where are the new vids located?
Long ago when we had nasty flyby’s we used to say to each other “Umbrellas up, ladies!” LOL!
(Obviously to catch the bird poo that was dropping.) I still like that. So if I post that, it’s time to take cover, ignore, put up your umbrella or whatever other means you like for protection!
(Just not pepto-bismol pink. Maybe a dusty rose or lighter pink, I think.)
I like hot pink.
looking for Justice said,in March 4th, 2010 at 1:06 pm CathyJo where are the new vids located?
********************LoL HuH? Thats what I was askin’,are there new ones?
I have not seen new vids… they are the same ones… just more is being shown. Technically I guess that would be new. These are the ones that were talked about here the other day and earlier. They on Youtube…
Nancy 3/1/10 cummings croslin
I was reading a transcript last night where m actually asked how Lindsey was doing,i almost fell off my coffee table with this hula skirt on!LoL
AGHHHHHH Crap!
wish i was a reporter,
ya know,Karon said last night she thought maybe Misty talked now,which makes sense because a new ld test??
I would think if misty talked it would have been leaked by now…through a new search or an arrest maybe.
HANK CROSLIN: They don`t believe you, what you`re telling them, huh?
MISTY CROSLIN: I don`t know what they believe and what they don`t. They don`t tell me anything. When I get out of here, I`ll tell you what they think, OK?
HANK CROSLIN: What, your lawyer don`t want them to give you a lie detector test?
MISTY CROSLIN: No, we were going to do it, but I just didn`t have enough sleep<— and the lady that was going to do it didn`t. I don`t know. We were going to do it, but — I don`t know.
HANK CROSLIN: I know because Stephen Brown was trying to get Tommy one<—but he didn`t want them guys to do it. He wants somebody that he knows that can run one good.
MISTY CROSLIN: None of them can run them good.<-
HANK CROSLIN: They say — I`ve heard a couple people say it just depends on who`s running them.
sounds like excuses for failing to me!
Me,i shouldve explained better but even if he told them she heard something,they’ll prbobably have to make sure shes truthful about even the little things now!
Well there is a reason why polys aren’t admissable in court.
right but theyre usually very accurate!
This is what I can’t stand… all the tapes should be shown in their entirety(not redacted stuff)!! We watch them and then 2 weeks later here are the same vids, just pieces of more footage. I have said it before and others here have too, stop with all the manipulation and show us what LE has released to you “the media”, and not what you want us to see!!
On another note… I see Tommy trying to through out there a “defense” for Misty @ 3:43 ish… part 5… Heee Heee!!
If i failed the first one,i’d risk it if given the chance!I wouldn’t make excuses why i might fail,only thing that can happen is if youre telling the truth then……………
**** I was not saying the redacted stuff should be shown*** Just making that clearer!!!
did yall see the one where Tommy said,They detectives told him,they’d plant evidence on Misty to get her?? I don’t believe that!
I know what ya mean Adams,I’m withya!!!!
CathyJo63 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 1:28 pm did yall see the one where Tommy said,They detectives told him,they’d plant evidence on Misty to get her?? I don’t believe that!
%%%%%%%%%%%%% that tells me they did talk to him, though he said they didn’t.
Why would they tell him that?
I think Tommy is saying that he was told that when he was arrested the other time… maybe the fight with his father, or the bus stop thing!
They do not speak clear enough
Right Me!!
Doesn’t he think it’ll get worse for him by shooting off at the mouth like that!
NO I don’t think so Adams,sec.ill get the n/g transcript!
GRACE: Law enforcement says Misty Croslin flat-out refuses to reveal what she knows about the night little Haleigh goes missing, Croslin allegedly failing polygraph tests miserably. But in newly obtained video from behind bars, she claims she wants to take a new lie detector. I`ll believe it when I see it, of course. But her excuse? She hasn`t had enough sleep.
T. CROSLIN: They said it doesn`t matter if we have to plant something on your sister. She`s going to be locked up when she`s 18. They told me that out of their own mouth. They said it don`t matter, we`re going to get her for something.
L. CROSLIN: And that`s exactly what they`ve done.
T. CROSLIN: I forgot to tell you, I was talking to a dude who was in here for like a day. And he was Putnam County jail a while back. And remember what Ronald told us about the Mexicans?
L. CROSLIN: Uh-huh.
T. CROSLIN: I didn`t say nothing to him about it. He come out the blue and just said it. That he heard from somebody in the Putnam County jail that the Mexicans out of Crescent City had her.
L. CROSLIN: That`s why I think Misty`s telling, Tom, I swear to god.
Trying to catch up! Are all 5 players still behind bars and are they still in lock down not in general population?
you could be right Adams,I raely am….LoL
M2C:
You are going, entirely, too far with all your controlling on this blog. Soon the only ones left will be the one who agree totally with you. I rarely ever say anything negative, but you are running alot of good people off with the ones that you have decided aren’t right about their opinions. I have never seen anything like the rip you have been on. I don’t appreciate it one bit!
i ASSUME THATS THE MEXICANS THAT ONE OF THE GIRLS WAS UMM ENTERTAINING FOR MONEY!
NG is into drama…I’d call her a drama queen but I don’t want to offend our blogger that uses drama queen asher handle.
Will somebody please provide them with some Kleenex… Hank “Magic Man” Sr,. wiping his nose with his hand and then switching the reciever back and forth… geeshhh.
Anyone else notice that Tommy’s voice is weird when he’s on the phone with Timmy!
Sorry!Caps!Hi Tanya!
Me,i know that,but those are jail transcripts,I don’t agree with n/g much anyway!
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
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Sorry but have to agree sometimes too!
Hi CathyJo Sorry just trying to get caught up have been busy with sick kids lately seems like i get one healthy and then the other child comes down with it again just back and forth! Was hoping when i did come back on here i would see some good news! All i can say is WOW on the last couple days after reading all the posts!
I listened to Jan and Simon on the radio and I heard them referring to hearsay too,they just make it aware it’s rumor and I thought well lord,and here on da blog we can’t! I think Jann And Simon understands it!
Tanya,i wish we had some to give but we’re in the same shape you are!!!!!
Somebody needs to Adams!runny nosed bunch!
It’s frustrating Tanya,I do know that!
Yes it is! I come here every morning to BNN to check in! I live up north and we dont ever hear anything on Haleigh! I know the people i have mentioned it to have no idea what im talking about! It breaks my heart! These children deserve Justice! Praying for Haleigh!
There are ppl who don’t know?….wow!
If nothing else you taught me something i didn’t know,LoL
Yes Cathy, I’m sitting here with a pile of tissues because of my allergies… maybe I could mail him some!!
Adams,all their voices are weird to me!LoL
Well, I’ll be the girl hiding under my desk…
Why are going to hide MeThinks?
waiting for m2c to return.
the bombs will be bursting in air….
hiding? lol not me! she tells us so we can tell her hopefully if youre referring to Karon and me,m2!
i aint a skeert,lol
Well i dont know where you live but yes there are probably more that dont know then do know who Haleigh Cummings is? It truely is sad!
just not into arguing today…not enough energy to spare.
bbl
me either,i aint gonna argue!
just spoke my peace,lol
I’m with you methinks. It is time to hunker down.
Methinks! I thought the same thing! I was going to pre warn JB do get in defense mode!
I’m in Tn Tanya…sorry didn’t know but if not for internet i woouldn’t know either,don’t have cable!
I hunker down everytime,but its getting old!
I don’t go out of my way just to get on somebody,never but she tells us when we are at fault,so why can’t we? Thats all it is trying to be helpful! So ppl will stay!
I’d hide under the bus,but thats the first place they’d look…besides it’s alittle crowded…a terrorists haven! lol
So from the transcripts above Lisa thinks Misty is the one talking? About the Mexicans?
Very interesting how it goes from Cousin Joe to Mexicans. Or was it Chelsea that said it was Cousin Joe? Blame all around but no real news, people thrown under busses left and right. jmo
I’d love to be a mouse in the corner listening to her babble.
Im in South Dakota and yes if it wasnt for the internet i wouldnt know anything! My husband says im paranoid because i wont let the kids outta my sight! I am 24 and i have no idea what crystal and Casey were thinking! My kids are my life!
Jason made a comment that it must be the generation no i dont think its that i think alot has to do with what you were taught and how you were raised! My mother was adopted so she showed us the love she always wanted and i show my kids the love i always got!
Heres misty…” It was cousin joe, yeah he’s a mexican…oh wait…it was my bro bubba…oh yeah either bro named bubba oh hmm wait maybe it was casey ,,,yeah it was casey anthony and my bro bubba!”
tobias said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:17 pm So from the transcripts above Lisa thinks Misty is the one talking? About the Mexicans?
Very interesting how it goes from Cousin Joe to Mexicans. Or was it Chelsea that said it was Cousin Joe? Blame all around but no real news, people thrown under busses left and right. jmo
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Right Tobias,and Tommy saying they’d plant stuff……shewwwwwwwww!
I believe it was Chelsea that said that about cousin Joe. Chelsea said that Misty said. It just seems to me with all of the croslins talking it up as to where Haleigh is, the answers do lye in Satsuma.
Tanya, thats a neat way to look at it!
Did yall see the transc where Hank says Tommy was a good Daddy,Kinda sad what drugs do!
I have to ask about the feeding habits and activity of those gators during that time of the year and tempratures that night and early morning. I would think the cooler temperatures would be a factor at the possibility of a gator eating HaLeigh between the hours in question.
It is my educated opinion that all resources where used to locate Haleigh with in the area even the gators where hunted down. Haleigh was removed from the trailer park that early morning and LE knows this.
We all know this but refuse to look any further.
Haliegh was alive and able to stand. Remember the police report, the officer took note of a small childs foot print along the path the dogs tracked HaLeighs scent along.
This crime was ment to look like a SO/ RSO came in and took HaLeigh. It stands to reason that there are a few things that reaveled that it was not a stranger that came into the home and removed HaLeigh, but, someone she knew and went willingly with into the dark .
I always thought it odd for Marie to mention HaLeighs supposed drowning incident after raeding the police report and reading the dogs tracked straight out that door into the woods along that path straight to a pond and then tracked backed to Green lane, IMO to a parked car and left the neighborhood.
The other odd thing was the drive trough the neighborhood before finaly exiting the trailer park on the onlt road in and out. It kinda reveales it was someone that either had knowledge they would be tracked by dogs or a dumb a@@ that didn’t know the neighborhood.
IT is my opinion that there are alot of things that are pointing in other directions and with Misty’s consistant proclomation of innocence it compels me to continue on and leave no stone still not turned just to make sure, because until we find HaLeigh we and LE it seems will never know the truth.
THE famous five are not going any where to soon, JMO.
I am just checking… AM I still welcomed to this herd and the skidmarks and panty party?
not kinda,certainlt i meant!but look at him now!
Thanks Methinks!
Did anyone watch Oprah the other week when she had the children of the people that abducted Elizabeth Smart on there?
I’d like to hunker in that jail cell…LoL
Tanya that was well said and the way it should be. AMEN!
*JB tip toes into the room upon returning from lunch….sees the Karen post…commences digging fox hole, quickly climbs into suit of armor….places helmet FIRMLY on her head….hoists an umbrella in M2C’s honor and waits………….*
The fact that Ron has a carry conceal for a gun always bothered me. If he has no enemies(as he said in the beginning) why would you need that? Having a gun at home is one thing but to carry is another. And now that we know he was more than likely dealing it makes sense,
I wonder if he didnt pee off some Mexicans. Not saying I believe the story but it is plausable.
Anyone down there know if there are mexican gangs in Cresent City?jmo
Exactly Tanya,exactly right!
I was adopted and never knew love from real parents but y granny my daughter and grandson do,somebody has to break what they call the chain!
hilarious JB!!!!!!!! thanks for the humor
methinks said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
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She’d say,No the mexicans had no condoms so i left!
Texasmommy39 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Very good thinking!
I personally don’t know that you can call them gangs, but from Pierson, fl through Pomona Park, fl it all predominately hispanic. The majority work the fern fields that are all along hwy 17.
Texasmommy, Another blogger Hollys gma and I researched early on the gator and weather and yes that year the gators were in breeding season early. Yes they feed franticly when in breeding season. The weather was warmer than usual for that time. jmo
tobias said,
in March 4th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
The fact that Ron has a carry conceal for a gun always bothered me. If he has no enemies(as he said in the beginning) why would you need that? Having a gun at home is one thing but to carry is another. And now that we know he was more than likely dealing it makes sense,
I wonder if he didnt pee off some Mexicans. Not saying I believe the story but it is plausable.
Anyone down there know if there are mexican gangs in Cresent City?jmo
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same reason millions of others have their CHL too. I would have mine too but the license is 140 bucks plus an all day class.
LFJ – it might be funny now….but it is the quiet before the storm……TAKE COVER! INCOMING! Oh say can you see….*BOOOM*….by the dawn’s early light….*KABOOM*…what so proudly……wait, is that a mushroom cloud I see where Karon used to be? Great, I not only have to worry about cow patties and bird poop…but NOW I have to worry about radiation too! Everyone get those radiation suits on PRONTO!
Tobias I remember Jerry santos saying that Ron was suppose to be mixed up with the mexican mafia. Whether they are located out of Crescent City ,approx 15 miles south of Satsuma, I don’t know.
Boy that Levi Page is one class act.
Levi’s twitter..
I wonder if any of the female Ronnettes here who go into an orgasism at the mere mention of his name sent in money 4 Ron to get a tattoo?
about 1 hours ago via web
And I don’t look that great WITH hair….how do you think I’m gonna look BALD!? WAAAAHHHHH
JB ..LMAO and I now need to go change my new panties.
Yep, Vaquera! I’m not surprised. I had him pegged quite a while ago. What a sleaze.
JB I have my suit on and hunkering down waiting foor the fall out to begin.
LoL jb,I hope some radiation hits me,i need some spark lately!
tobias said,
in March 4th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Texasmommy, Another blogger Hollys gma and I researched early on the gator and weather and yes that year the gators were in breeding season early. Yes they feed franticly when in breeding season. The weather was warmer than usual for that time. jmo
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Gators do not breed in Feb,they bury their eggs in the ground and the ground would be way to cold for hatching. In fact reptiles are still in hibernation during Feb.
Mating season for alligators occurs from mid-April through May.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/uw230
You can tell that Levi Page is a real “investigative journalist” who is interested in “reporting” on (and helping) to find Haleigh. Right? (oops. sorry. wrong. oh so wrong).
And SO disrespectful of Haleigh (IMO).
Vaquera,
He has always seemed greasy to me. I just wonder how he can justify his bias drool he dribbles.
Texasmommy….I have only one word for you….DEPENDS….it’s the best advice I can give you if you’re going to hang out with this bunch! 😀
LFJ – I don’t suppose you have a Geiger counter handy…..I can’t breath in this gas mask and this radiation suit is itchy. I’d really like to know when the air quality returns to normal! LOL
JB you’re in luck! I have one extra. It is on its way.
Hi M2C….have you caught up on the posts yet?
LFJ – YOU’RE the best! Dang itchy radiation suit! WAIT, maybe it is itchy because there is radiation IN the suit! LFJ – GET ME THAT GEIGER COUNTER QUICK! MY UNDIES MAY BE RADIOACTIVE! 😆
I think we’d all know if she did JB,LoL
LOL! SENDING NOW!!!! BREATHE JB
Cathy – you’re right! I’ll just wait…and listen….I’m sure I’ll feel the earth tremble any moment now…..or maybe that’s just me trembling!
LFJ – my undies are glowing! That’s a bad sign isn’t it! DANG!
And does ANYONE know what provoked that attack? I haven’t seen ANYTHING that would cause that….except perhaps rabies…
Yo, Karon, had your rabies shot?
lol JB, you and me will feel it!
That thing about Hugs for Thugs is really about the sickest thing I have ever heard. Those women need to go see a shrink. jmo
I feel the earth move under my feet..lalalaaa
JB said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:56 pm And does ANYONE know what provoked that attack? I haven’t seen ANYTHING that would cause that….except perhaps rabies…
Yo, Karon, had your rabies shot?
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Well guys I have to cut out now. Hope I can get back later. It has been real. Stay safe and catch you on the flip side. Remeber to tread lightly. Have a good day everyone. Praying for Haleigh!!
It may have been another thread,I dunno but I just agreed b/c of my experience!
JB:
From what I have seen lately, it is you and M2C, who need a rabies shot, but you two sit back and you are proud of how mean and tough you are.
OK JB these are my last new panties and I must keep them dry.
I think I will bake (need my tan refreshed) in the glow of the explosives aftermath and stear clear of the drama.
methinks crawls quietly,yet awkwardly from under her desk..pssst whispers to jb…”Got a extra helmet? mine fell into oncomming traffic…an I ain’t comin’ out without one!”
I ain’t trying to be mean,but just telling M2 to try not to be one sided all the time,I mean you tell us and certainly tell me i am wrong when i am wrong so you should be able to accept it from us too!I mean the last time M2 you insinuated I was a dumbass!I am a grown woman I don’t need somebody to talk to me that way either!
Its just b/c ppl are scared of you,and they won’t say it,but theres nothing I will say behind your back that I won’t say to your face!
Just so you know M2,its a pleasure chatting with you but not when you boss us!
CathyJo63 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 1:47 pm I listened to Jan and Simon on the radio and I heard them referring to hearsay too,they just make it aware it’s rumor and I thought well lord,and here on da blog we can’t! I think Jann And Simon understands it!
So I dunno why you have a problem with it!
CathyJo:
I have posted enough with you at night that I know you are not dumb, so don’t let them get you down.
Karon,
I agree. JB seems to be trying to rile up the controller.
A lot of role playing here, it seems. Cloaking attacks on people behind a mask of humor is disturbing.
I’ve been gone for a little bit and have no idea where this is coming from CathyJo. Whenever have I said anything remotely implying that you are stupid?
I will read back but wow, I am dumbfounded!
What is going on?
Don’t worry, everybody, I rarely ever argue with anyone. I step aside to avoid it, and I have said my piece. I do not intend on fighting about it.
Ty Karon,but no i ain’t gonna get down but i think its only fair if she can critisize then she oughta be able to accept it back!
Girls… Girls… Girls… as Mrs. Garrett from the Facts of Life would say!!!
sec,ill get it for ya!
Been watching the “secret” vids… Listening to the “secret” auds… Havent had the necessary courage and focus to check out the LDT, Stress junk… but does anyone remember M saying that R told her where to find the “stolen” gun?
Karon @ 1:41 Will you please tell me what posts of mine you are referring to? I have no idea what you are talking about.
And CathyJo, will you please tell me what you are talking about – specific posts?
I think you both have misunderstood something somewhere along the line. I know for a fact that I have not referred to anything either one of you have said in days – except CathyJo and I were laughing about how hard we were trying to be nice to each other. How and where that went wrong I do not know.
Karon….Dang, what did I do? Maybe I missed it but I didn’t see M2C do anything….I just saw this post from you appear jumping on M2C. M2C and I have had our clashes but I’m TRYING to learn the different personalities we have here and not take things so personally. I’m trying to lighten the mood and let people see this is all silly so it will blow over. I just couldn’t figure out what provoked your post….seemed out of the blue….but maybe I missed something. Wouldn’t be the first time….hard to see anything when you are wearing a gas mask, a radiation suit, helmet, waders, camo, and depends undergarmets!
Cent:
Misty said something about that on the voice stress analysis test.
BAC, Misty says all that in the stress test tapes about being on the phone with Ron and him telling her to look in the culvert. jmo I havent watched that in a while TY for bringing it up I will go watch it again. jmo
Regarding comments about ‘drive-bys’: I read and post here now and then, not every day, and that is my choice. Insinuating that I, or anyone who doesn’t post everyday, or as frequently as others do, are not welcome, surely goes against the purpose of this BNN blog. Many more page views than posters means most are not posting – new, and occassional posters should not be discouraged by those who wish to control.
m2c♥ said,in March 4th, 2010 at 7:24 am Also, I was going to ignore it but the basic issue has raised its ugly head again so I will address it now.
On the article we were previously blogging under someone said:
“While I can hardly wait to know for SURE what Happened to Haleigh…..I dread that day, cause HALF of us here will be CRUSHED!!!!”
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Personally I am going to be THRILLED the day they find out what happened to Haleigh and hopefully bring her home. I DO NOT CARE who is responsible. Whoever it is, I want them caught – and I want it proven – and I want Haleigh brought home.
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I was going to ignore it too, but seeing you’ve addressed it, I just wanna say ITA with you. I don’t care who did it, just want PCSO to find out who it was and for justice to be done.
Yesterday, we had a 3 year old boy go missing here. A mother took a shower and when she got out the boy was gone. She is understandably distraught. When I read the story, all I could think was that for the family’s sake, I’m glad it didn’t happen in the USA. Because if it had, they may have to contend with posters like Tobias and the like saying they blamed the mother no matter who did it, because it happened on “her watch”. I pray the little boy is found and the family never gets put through a hate filled witch hunt, the likes of which is happening here.
M3C:
Every morning. we have all got to hear from you about people better not come on this blog doing this or that. You seem to think you have to keep everyone lined out. What was done to My Opinion Only was mean. Yesterday, a bunch of people tromped Jason down. I get tired of people ganging up and nitpicking everything we say.
This MI5/Spooks officer has just propelled herself out a 15th floor window… she is scaling up the building… to the roof… where a chopper is waiting… to fly her back to the grid!! See ya later!!
If you read back, Jason, I was one of the people who welcomed a new person today and have done so recently and often.
I used the word “Flyby” because that’s what we called certain types of posters back when we had that saying. I don’t know why you immediately identified with the term but that’s on you. Not me.
As far as “what happened yesterday evening” I WAS referring to the bickering that you started with such outrageous accusations.
IT IS MY OPINION that those types of comments do not help find Haleigh. And only cause trouble on the blog – which you will note I did not participate in.
And CathyJo – I was doing so in support of you and others who were targeted and involved. It was PRO- you (not against you).
looking for Justice said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:06 am Goodmorning m2c, I am trying to rule out Ron as a suspect, but it seems impossible! TJ is an excellent investigative reporter. Yes it was said that LE is satisfied with Ron and they said he was not a suspect on August 17th 2009. On 09/09 TJ wrote an article here at BNN just two or three weeks later stating Rons timeline may be getting wobbly. He gave us his confirmed work hours for Ron and said that Terry Shoemaker said Ron got to work at almost 4:30pm on the day Haleigh vanished. This is significant because Rons lawyers say he did not have to be to work until 5PM putting him 30 minutes early for his shift. TJs’ confirmed work hours put Ron getting to work 30 minutes LATE. Now m2c do you see my dilemma? I just could not figure out your attitude.
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I can kind of see your dilemna, but from what we’ve heard from PCSO, it certainly seems he was at work at the relevant time.
What I don’t understand is how you could be so fixated on that, when we know Chad was out that night, and Marie gave him a false alibi, and it took Crystal many hours to get to Satsuma, and why you aren’t more concerned about the whereabouts of Chad….he’s the one who got given the false alibi and apparently lied about being home that night. That to me is far more troubling than the fact Ron was at work when it happened.
IMO, you just have to look at the pics of Haleigh and Ron together to know he would have never done anything to harm her. Whereas, I’ve not seen one pic of Chad with Haleigh, and we know he uses crack, and refused to contribute to her child support. So…..
Wow, do you realize she messed up on that voice stress test and said Tommy was at the house that night? Quickly corrected her mistake too. jmo
Karon,
I appreciate your words, Karon. Thanks!
JB:
You, actually bragged about what you did to My Opinion Only.
M2C:
You need to go back and read some of your early morning posts, like this morning.
Jason….wow, now this is really getting funny. Now trying to lighten the mood and make everyone laugh is “disturbing”! ROFLMAO Here we go again….people REALLY need to lighten up about this he said, she said crap. It is VERY difficult to know how a comment was intended and ALL of us read things into posts that were NOT intended. We can’t tell if the person was smiling when they typed it or if they were glaring with evil intent….BUT, you DO have a choice of which way you take it. I personally am trying VERY hard to NOT take things seriously and NOT take comments in a negative way. I just try to get everyone to smile and maybe, JUST maybe they’ll forget about argueing and fighting and find themselves laughing.
Now, if that is disturbing to you Jason, so be it…and I don’t mean that in a negative way….but I can’t change how YOU read mine or anyone else’s posts. If you choose to believe we are all ill-willed trolls living under a bridge with the intention of attacking everyone who crosses the bridge then that is your right. But I assure you, I have NO ill-will towards anyone here….I’m just a bit of a clown and I like to try to difuse situations with humor. Nothing more…nothing less….and that didn’t feel disturbing…but obviously to you it is and I’ll have to respect your opinion just as I do others. 😀
Jason:
You are welcome. You fought to hold your own. yesterday. I was proud of you.
Me, dropping my name into that post is what this is all about. You put words into others mouths and rack people over the coals to better your cause. Please do not refer to me like that from now on. jmo
m2c♥ said,in February 27th, 2010 at 5:11 pm CathyJo – I am sorry I can’t seem to make clear why I am asking this of you. There are different reasons in different situations and you don’t seem to even want to understand. None of it is meant to criticize you. But if you just want to get angry with me about it instead of discuss it, then there is nothing I can do about it. If you were a member of the Forum here I could PM you about it if you wanted.
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m2c♥ said,in February 27th, 2010 at 5:11 pm CathyJo – I am sorry I can’t seem to make clear why I am asking this of you. There are different reasons in different situations and you don’t seem to even want to understand. None of it is meant to criticize you. But if you just want to get angry with me about it instead of discuss it, then there is nothing I can do about it. If you were a member of the Forum here I could PM you about it if you wanted.
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m2c♥ said,in February 27th, 2010 at 5:14 pm CathyJo – There are different reasons why in each case. In one kind of situation, even Jan mentioned it. Then there are copyright issues which are both a legal matter and also just info (for readers to know the source if they want to read it all for themselves).
And then there’s this one particular website with different issues about it.
I am sorry that you think I’m bugging you but if three different people had posted those posts I would be trying to speak with all three. It’s not YOU!
CathyJo63 said,in February 27th, 2010 at 5:14 pm I am tired of it M2,you treat me like a child!
I told Jan at anytime not to wait for my permission to delete what i post,its her blog M2! Everytime i post it happens,today is the first time..well the last hour is the firsst time i have added any of that sites articles but rest assured m2 you won!!I mean honstly,i dunno why it eats at you!!!!
me said,in February 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm CathyJo…you shouldn’t take it personally. I think Jan has posted on this point before. Perhaps you can email her for clarification rather than get upset with m2c, who is only trying to help! It’s not personal…it has to do with the author of the “article”, not you.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in February 27th, 2010 at 5:19 pm Cathy, yes, I know what you did at FF1 and I appreciate all you do. Please No Worries… okay?
m2c♥ said,in February 27th, 2010 at 5:20 pm Cathy, why do you put the burden on Jan – who is already as busy as a one-armed paper hanger – to take her time to investigate and read all your copy and pastes instead of learning a couple simple things and doing it appropriately in the first place? You are the one doing the copying and pasting, it’s your responsibility (IMO).
If you will read my posts you will see that it does not “eat at me.” I am trying to inform you about legal issues and such.
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i REST MY CASE!
This forum is a place that people read to get information about HaLeigh and the investigation. They come here to read all of y’all thoughts and theories on the case.
Like I asked the other day where do you go for the facts and not the fiction and I was advised I was in the right place, so, I would imagine y’all come together to look for the truth of each and every aspect of this case and who is telling the truth out of all these players.
Circumstantial evidence is what LE has and what others are basing their theories on IMO it is not enough and has not and will not help to find HaLeigh or discover who is all truly guilty. We must seek the truth no matter how ugly the truth reveals its self to be.
M2C, just to let you know, we are ALL entitled to express our opinions. Yes, you’ve already been told that many times; just never sinks in, does it?
IMO, the majority of your posts are of of ‘control or correct what others say and do’ nature – not about Haleigh.
Control and status is your game, IMO.
If that ain’t a insinuation,nothing is!
Karon…you must have me confused with someone else….actually I was DEFENDING MOO and did NOTHING to her. I actually got into it with M2C trying to defend MOO….but MOO flaked out on us and did some really bizarre things….I never said a word to MOO so I don’t believe I was bragging about what I did to her as I did nothing. I actually apologized to those who saw through MOO because I had stood up for MOO only to have egg on my face later. THAT is when I decided I wasn’t going to take myself or anyone else TOO seriously and that I wasn’t going to read too much into posts because I too have had people take things I posted the wrong way (LIKE RIGHT NOW)….so I know it happens.
Okay, now I’m done with this. This is nuts. There are a LOT of different personalities on here. Some are strong, some are mothering, some are harsh, some are goofy, some are soft spoken and timid….but you know what? They’re ALL important and if we were ALL the same it would make for a pretty boring world and we certainly wouldn’t have very interesting conversations.
You’re going to find all types of personalities on any blog you go to but believe me, this is a MUCH more pleasant place to be than any other blog I’ve been to in the last two years. You have to take the good with the bad and not wear your heart on your sleeve. Don’t take yourself or anything anyone says too seriously and you JUST might find you can get along with anyone here or elsewhere.
So, since humor didn’t work and trying to explain and defend motives isn’t working…I wish you well, apologize if you mistook anything I said the wrong way and with that I bid you farewell. I will not continue to debate this because it is futile. Just know no ill will was intended. Just harmless funning to try to lighten the mood.
CathyJo – I thought we were past that and you understood it was a real misunderstanding. We got off on the wrong foot on that subject because I misunderstood something you posted.
If you are going to persist in thinking otherwise then please join the Forum so I can explain.
The rules for the Forum are exactly the same as here – no cussing and no personal attacks. So it’s just the same as here except we can PM each other.
We are all here for the same reason m2,and why should you treat us that way!
Has anyone noticed on the voice stress test that Misty messed up and said Tommy was there that night? Then quickly corrected herself? And about the gun, very interesting, did Ron tell her to check the culvert? Seems like it from the tape. jmo
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 3:19 pm Karon,
I agree. JB seems to be trying to rile up the controller.
A lot of role playing here, it seems. Cloaking attacks on people behind a mask of humor is disturbing.
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CathyJo,
I feel hesitant about mentioning this, as I don’t want to instigate further argument about roles played here, but on the other hand, think it may be beneficial for you to have validation on your observation about the tone she had when conversing with you.
I observed it to, and honestly, the two in a row that started with ‘Oh . . .’ were the most shocking to me! I could hardly believe it! LOL!
But, then I reminded myself – consider the source. LOL!
Tobias… no I haven’t looked at the stress/ldt thing, in while… what made me think of the gun thing was a vid I saw last night… I think it was the by Papa and it was a Rocky theme vid. It’s on youtube but I came across it on Crankycankerson blog/site.
Jason you said, “Control and status is your game.”
That’s funny. A description that fits you to a “t” down to and including telling me I could not post about Crystal because the article was about someone else involved in the case. Now THAT is a serious control issue.
CathyJo – It really was a misunderstanding and I’ve worked hard for days to try to talk with you to explain.
Karon – You are “proud” of Jason? I am very very sorry to hear that.
Me and Jason don’t agree but even he never said things like you do m2!And I am dropping it now!
Karon, I think you need to re-read my posts without your mud-colored glasses on.
I can’t help it if yours was the last post of the night and mine was the first of the morning. Other than that there was no connection to you at all.
BAC, Hope you go back and watch them. Clearly in part 2 Misty is so hyped up almost vibrating out of the chair. Cant be sure but its like she is cranked if you know what I mean jmo
M2C:
Jason doesn’t have to mind you. Look back at your 6:51a.m. comment. That sound like you are in control, things have to be said and done according to your standards or we will all hear about it. I have no further comments to make.
I’m guessing my high-powered stun grenades… just might take the edge off this group!!
I just don’t understand, M2C, why you feel the need to control so much. I mean, we read your posts, and agree or disagree, but we don’t have an agenda to chase you away. Just my thoughts, not meaning to harm you or anyone else.
M2,Karon made a comment,i replied with my opinion,you asked why i felt that way so i told you,i didn’t just bring it up to you!
Right Jason!
Hey, Beautiful! I’m ready! Go on, stun me now, as I need to lose my connection to this blog and get on with other VERY important things today!
B*A – RUN FOR YOUR LIFE….. and whatever you do, don’t try to diffuse the situation with humor….you will be labeled a bully and accused of trying to instigate…..SAVE YOURSELF B*A….it’s too late for M2C and I…..LOL Good Grief…
Let’s see….what was this blog about again? I can’t remember….can someone remind me? Humor…didn’t work….being sill…doesn’t work….trying to talk rationally…doesn’t work….so I’ll put on my serious hat and say….EVERYONE SHUT UP! SHAKE HANDS! RETURN TO YOUR RESPECTIVE CORNERS AND COME OUT TALKING ABOUT HALEIGH! UGH! 🙄
Hello Me, Looking at pics just will not do. That is like asking me to look at pics of casey and caylee. I like to base my opinions on facts. Chad has not puclicly been released as a suspect. I found the confirmed info I was looking for. The next time Rons work schedule comes up on Nancy Grace it would be nice to her say Well Ron worked from this time to time and not dance around his scheduled time. He was released as suspect. I feel TJ renders great credibility. I have info to corraborate what my opinion might be. Thank you kindly for trying to understand where I was coming from. I am satisfied with the info I found.
You have not m2,I said i was sorry,all you told me was to register so you could explain,and you insinuated i was dumb in a full room,so if youre going to say something about it then you should do it in a full room!
the pink panther quietly slithers (with a hint of dance in her step) straight back under the desk while trying hard not to laugh b/c m/15spooks officer just bounced off the ground and landed on her feet!
M2C
That was one of your nicer comments. I was not talking about my post from last night. I was talking about your post. You told us that there better not be this and that kind of posts. You have taken charge, and it is not pretty. Then you call your followers into the forums, because you have a pm for them. This isn’t funny anymore. I doubt that you will listen and tone it down.
vaquera said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:37 pm Boy that Levi Page is one class act.
Levi’s twitter..
I wonder if any of the female Ronnettes here who go into an orgasism at the mere mention of his name sent in money 4 Ron to get a tattoo?
about 1 hours ago via web
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Yep, there is something seriously wrong with that Levi. Maybe he’s jealous of men who have masculine voices?
call me a coward…coward of the county…she chuckles to herself.
and thats why i refuse to register Karon,I will say anything here that I’d need to say in msgr!
OKAY – EVERYONE STOP! TAKE A DEEP BREATH! IF YOU CARE ANYTHING ABOUT HALEIGH YOU’LL STOP THE BICKERING AND MAKE THIS ABOUT HER INSTEAD OF YOURSELVES! NOW, back to discussing the Haleigh case…..
BBL
Hope the topic gets back to finding Haleigh.
methinks…. well, this clown is about to turn in her red nose and giant shoes because even a clown costume is considered antagonistic these days.
So did NG discuss Haleigh last night? Missed the show and haven’t had time to read the transcripts.
I really think Tommy was there that night and the slip Misty made on her voice stress test wasnt a slip at all. And if Joe stole the gun why is it in the culvert at Tommys house? jmo
The topics always about Haleigh,I guarantee ya no matter whats going on in here we are thinking of her as we type it!
Texas….wait up, I’ll leave with you…sheesh!
Hard one to answer Tobias!
I just wish we’d get some news!
Cathy, Sorry I didnt want to step in but I know your pain. What do you think of the voice stress test? Go back and watch part 2 on you tube. It is very interesting now. jmo
M2C & JB,
I don’t get why you are getting attacked by posters here.
JB, MOO was clearly a fraud. So many on the witch hunt wanted to believe and convince the rest of us otherwise. I guess they’re mad you outed MOO???
M2C…fair minded posters have been attacked on this case from day 1…please try to ignore it. I think Marie & Crystal might be busy with an internet campaign again, please don’t let them scare you off.
I enjoy both your posts and sure I speak for many other posters here when I say that.
Karon – You are SO off-base. Call people into PM? I asked Methinks to check her PM because she had just joined the Forum that day and I thought she’d get a kick out of it. I didn’t realize it until later that it sounded rude to others and I apologized to BOLDONE3 who had been hurt by it.
I asked CathyJo to join so that we would not have to take up the time and room on this board discussing a problem that is between her and me. I don’t mind discussing it here. It’s not “private” but it’s a waste of everybody else’s time.
As far as saying anything like “better not be this or that kind of post” my azz, girl. And having “followers?” Utterly ridiculous. You know YOU are a follower – as are others – but not of me.
cent do you have a quick link to the voice stess test? I want to hear about where she caught herself saying tommy was at the mh.
tobias said,in March 4th, 2010 at 3:41 pm Me, dropping my name into that post is what this is all about. You put words into others mouths and rack people over the coals to better your cause. Please do not refer to me like that from now on. jmo
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Tobias,
I have been through this with you many times before, and you have been adamant that you hold Ron responsible no matter what because Haleigh was on “his watch”. That is why you were specifically referred to. If/when you change your attitude, then I won’t use you as an example of someone who holds that view.
me said,
in March 4th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
vaquera said,in March 4th, 2010 at 2:37 pm Boy that Levi Page is one class act.
Levi’s twitter..
I wonder if any of the female Ronnettes here who go into an orgasism at the mere mention of his name sent in money 4 Ron to get a tattoo?
about 1 hours ago via web
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Yep, there is something seriously wrong with that Levi. Maybe he’s jealous of men who have masculine voices?
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LMAO 😀 his voice just drones on and on in that monotone way he speaks.
Oh well his radio show ratings are up, so he says, and that’s all he’s worried about.
M2C:
Go back and tell us exactly what you do mean by that 6;51A.M. Post. I didn’t use all the words that you used, but read it and tell us what you mean. I wasn’t talking about calling CathyJoe into the forums. This seems to be going on alot from several of you, however.
CathyJoe….I don’t know your or M2C, and enjoy both of your posts. I really don’t feel m2c meant anything personal towards you. It’s just about that site, the person who runs it, and how Jan & Simon feel about it. It could have been you or anyone posting stuff from that site, and the issue would have been raised, as it has been before by Jan & others. I think m2c was just giving you a “heads up” re posting about that site at BNN, and it pains me to see you take it personally.
It pains me, too, “me.” Because I did NOT intend it personally at all.
When you’re calm and somewhat open to listening to me, CathyJo, I can explain how it got off on the wrong foot – all my fault. But I’d rather do that WITH YOU than take up time and room on the blog and take away what from what will hopefully soon be a discussion back on the topic of Haleigh.
Me, you forgot how I hold Crystal responcible for it also. She should have never let Ron get custody in the first place. But you always forget that I have said I have my own opinion and just because it isnt about Crystal does not make it less of an opinion. I do not call you out on any of your opinions because you have a right to have one. jmo
Karon – You’ve got me mixed up with someone else. The ONLY people I’ve asked to PM were Methinks and CathyJo (who is NOT a new member).
Also, what is your opinion of HGm for example who FREQUENTLY asks people to email her. Isn’t that pretty rude? Or is that okay with you?
someone send up a smoke signal when the discussion gets back to Haleigh, TIA 🙂
looking for Justice said,in March 4th, 2010 at 4:07 pm Hello Me, Looking at pics just will not do. That is like asking me to look at pics of casey and caylee. I like to base my opinions on facts. Chad has not puclicly been released as a suspect. I found the confirmed info I was looking for. The next time Rons work schedule comes up on Nancy Grace it would be nice to her say Well Ron worked from this time to time and not dance around his scheduled time. He was released as suspect. I feel TJ renders great credibility. I have info to corraborate what my opinion might be. Thank you kindly for trying to understand where I was coming from. I am satisfied with the info I found.
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I was way behind on the posts when I replied to you, and then saw that you got your answers.
I agree re TJ…we’re lucky to have his “reports”.
Re the pics, I see your point re Casey…but to me there is a big difference….Casey didn’t report Caylee missing for a full month…Ron, by all accounts reported Haleigh’s disappearance immediately. Also, I didn’t see the same love between Casey & Caylee in their pics….but of course, that’s just my perception, and of course, we can all perceive things differently for all sorts of reasons.
Oh and Karon, if you’re talking about me suggesting to EVERYONE that they join the BNN Forum, what exactly is wrong with that? There are other articles and threads on other topics AND and Off-Topic thread people could use for fun conversations. And it has the PM feature too.
Jan and Simon created the Forum for us to use and when I realized that some people don’t know about it I mentioned it.
The Cliff’s Notes version of my 6:51 am post is that I do not think that trashing anyone involved in this case helps find Haleigh. Especially the kind of trashing where people are making up stuff, imagining it, accusing people of the most sensational and unfounded things. I do not think that helps find Haleigh.
All it does is cause fights and bickering on the blog. And that can shut down the blog and it sure as heck shuts down discussion of the case.
That is my opinion. Is it clear now?
And obviously no one HAS to do anything differe
Sorry Tobias,but now my speakers have no sound…shewwwwww,one thing after another,gotta get an update or something!
M2C:
You may not have asked people into the forums, and I may be mistaken about that. There is alot of that going on. My opinion of HGM is I enjoy posting at night with her, and I am not takings sides between her and you. We only talk about the case, nothing ,more.
We all just need to quit ganging up on people and that’s my point about the P.M.s. Whatever happened with My Opinion Only could have been handled much more gently. The way Jason was ganged up on, yesterday, was not funny.
Vaquera: A smoke signal is coming from me. I’m done now. For a second day in a row leaving the blog in utter disgust.
Carry on!
And prayers for Haleigh.
tobias said,in March 4th, 2010 at 4:38 pm Me, you forgot how I hold Crystal responcible for it also. She should have never let Ron get custody in the first place. But you always forget that I have said I have my own opinion and just because it isnt about Crystal does not make it less of an opinion. I do not call you out on any of your opinions because you have a right to have one. jmo
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Maybe I have misunderstood you somewhat, and if so, I apologise.
I still hold the view that it is the perp that is responsible, the family are victims (unless one or more is the perp), and we don’t know who the perp is.
I dont like it when I am refered to as Crystals propoganda either. Never met her never want to.jmo
And Me,thats what i was doing b/c it does offend ppl!
Sorry, Karon. I missed your last post. Considering what Jason was saying, I am not surprised that a lot of people disagreed with him. That’s what happens.
And I was not one of them. I left the blog because I was so disgusted with his comments (for various reasons). I did not participate. So don’t blame me for that.
Bye for now, all!
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 4:47 pm M2C:
The way Jason was ganged up on, yesterday, was not funny.
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LOL re Jason ganged up on! Some of us don’t like seeing lies posted about the family members, and others, like Jason like to post lies about people….if you come to BNN posting lies, there are so many of us here that will recognize them as lies, and those people have to expect their lies will be exposed.
BTW, were you nice to RonFan when she joined us?
Still tho m2,everyone was here when you said that to me,so if you apolgize it should be in front of the same ppl,what does that take up,One line!
Thats what i believe,i was totally humiliated one day when i jumped Adams over bluemoon,but i was woman enough to apologize in front of everyone b/c i did it in front of everyone!
Peeking in to see if everyone has remembered this blog is about Haleigh…..Nope, still worrying about their hurt feelings over something they THINK someone MIGHT have meant YESTERDAY on a post that wasn’t even to them or about them but want to blame OTHERS for running people off and yet people are dropping out of this room left and right because of the bickering THEY started…..good grief people
Exactly JB,we are supposed to take it and not say a word but M2 leaves because she won’t admit shes wrong,shes not always wrong either,but we are not little kids here!
I feel like I went through a time warp and I’m back in Junior High… GROW UP PEOPLE AND MOVE ON! IT IS OVER! YOU’VE BEAT THE DANG DEAD HORSE UNTIL IT IS PULVARIZED INTO HAMBURGER MEAT! Agree to disagree and get over yourselves. NONE of us is that important but HALEIGH IS!
M2C:
You told people, you didn’t suggest, to go to the mud pits. That was right after you had nitpicked another person’s statement to pieces.
I don’t care about how many people join BNN, that is not my point. Criticizing other’s posts like that, and ganging up on people is my point. Then being proud about it afterward is offensive.
One thing, you said this morning, was we get some of the nasties, like we did last night.
That is all I have to say.
JB…yep….
So, I wonder what PCSO is up to. Any hope of Misty or Ron or Tommy talking must be fading quickly for them. I wonder if they are still looking at other possibilities. I have a bad feeling that unless new LE is brought in to take a fresh look at this case, this case is very very cold. LE have had a year, and appear to have been chasing their tails and pinning their hopes on a 17 year old solving their case for them. Where is Haleigh??
JB,Have you gone back to watch the voice stress tests? I find it interesting how cranked up Misty is on tape 2. She talks about the gun and her slip saying Tommy was there that night. jmo
Cathy – then quit acting like one. You’ve made your point, you’ve said your peace, M2C apologized for anything that might have been misunderstood…I apologized for joking for Gawd’s sake and people have left because you guys want to keep on and on and on and on about you guys and your hurt feelings and what YOU think and what YOU think is right and what EVERYONE else has done wrong and blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, we heard you the first 50 posts….we tried to kiss and make up….but you won’t let it go and I don’t think you WANT to get along or you would have already shook hands when they were extended and gotten back on topic….but three hours later we’re still talking about YOU instead of Haleigh. So PLEASE, let us know when you’re finished and when HALEIGH BEING MISSING is AGAIN more important than you, or me, or M2C, or Karon or any of the other bloggers in this room…..
Exactly JB,my goodness thats my point!
I sat here and let her critisize me,but if she’s wrong she won’t admit it!
Tobias….haven’t revisited the stress test tapes in awhile…I might just go do that….I feel like I’ve just undergone my own stress test! LOL
Karon Cox said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:02 pm M2C:
Criticizing other’s posts like that, and ganging up on people is my point. Then being proud about it afterward is offensive.
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From what I can see, that is exactly what is happening to m2c this morning.
Thank you Jb…finally something on here makes sense.
Thats a load of bull me JB!!
They do leave b/c of the arguing,but m2 gives no one a chance,she can speak for herself!
methinks…thanks but I’m not sure anyone can make sense of the absolutely senseless….I’m all for standing up for what is right…defending yourself…but do it and move on already. Talk about trying to beat people into submission…I feel like I’ve been waterboarded! LOL
Tried when,we commented to m2 but you guys when for attack too JB,never has anyone apologized,if so then I’m sorry but all i see is again,how wrong we are to stand up for ourselves but not her!
Thats just the truth!
she stayed on me over posting stuff,I took it,so i told her where shes wrong also but its an attack?
People are constantly refered to as Ron haters and Ron bashers but I have yet to see someone call anyone a Crystal hater or Crystal basher on this site. Why is that? jmo
Grow up Jb,maybe if i ever heard an apology then i wouldn’t!anybodyhereeeeeee can say i have always apologized to everyone i hurt! even m2 so don’t say i am the one who won’t shake hands!
Now back to what may be going on since it is so quiet on the front lines. Maybe Misty is preparing to tell all or at least something to reduce her jail time? I dont see it happening until after she knows how long she will get for the drug trafficking charges. She may think she will get a small sentence and not have to say anything. jmo
Me,5:08 youre wrong,we are always the one who gets attacked when we disagree with m2!
but m2 never has to face up to it
Ummm…trying again to get back to Haleigh. Once again my suspect list has changed. It now reads as follows:
Tied for 1st place are
1. The Croslins (Tommy, Hank, Lisa, Joe or any combination of those people)….tied with
1. The Sheffield/Griffis family (Marie, Chad, Johnny or Crystal or any combination of those people). I think that if Crystal is in on it, Marie is too. I think Marie may have done it for the money.
3. SO, known or unknown to the family, who took advantage of their knowledge that Ron worked nights and Haleigh lived in a relatively remote area.
4. The A family….I think they’d do just about anything to get their precious Casey off, and the timing of the Amber Alert and their desire to immediately involved is concerning, as is Dominic Casey being called in by the Sheffield family to help look for Haleigh.
I still have Ron down the bottom. I think Misty may be lying about not leaving the house that night, but also believe it is possible she slept through it. I’ve slept through major events and major pieces of furniture being knocked over right beside me when sleeping, so think it is a real possibility.
CathyJO you dont owe anyone an apology say what you want if they dont like it they dont have to read it!!
Tobias,I think shes talking!
TY Denise,I have apologized everytime,even if i did nothing wrong!
but never again!unless i am at fault i won’t!
She didn’t care to humiliate me!
ME – I agree with the first #1 – still not too sure abou the second #2…I’m back and forth on that one….first I think it is possible and then I realize between all of them they only have 3 brain cells working properly….
I agree with #3….#4…not so much but I guess anything is a possibility.
Ron has been at the top of my list to the bottom and back again several times. I wish we knew what LE knows…sure would make it easier to rule out at least a few of our theories.
tobias, I went back and listened to the stress test and..yep she did slip and say tommy was there and didn’t she say cousinjoe was there too?/
tobias said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:17 pm People are constantly refered to as Ron haters and Ron bashers but I have yet to see someone call anyone a Crystal hater or Crystal basher on this site. Why is that? jmo
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Wow tobias, I think you have missed some posts. Whenever anyone questions anything to do with Crystal, people jump all over us for bashing the mother….they carry on about how happy they are butterbean is with Crystal etc, how she beat her drug problem, shouldn’t have had to pay child support etc etc..it goes on and on! I see alot more of that than people being called Ron haters.
BTW, having an opinion Ron may be involved is one thing, spewing hate towards him is another…spreading malicious gossip, saying it’s his fault no matter what because Haleigh was on his watch etc. Anyhow….
So do I it has gotten too quiet and it usually does before a bomb goes off with these people.
Her court case for St. Johns is in 4 days.
One other thing did you notice how she was preening with her hair in the corn rows ?
And on the you tube NG tape when Hank asks her if she thinks Haleigh can come home watch her head it shakes no. Body language all over the place. jmo
This is pointless, I’m going underground.
Yes Tobias I noticed that right off!!Shaking her head!
That may be why she is gonna take another ld test,she knows everything she tells them they will be skeptical!
Denise…I agree that no one has to agree with anyone else and if you don’t do anything malicious then you shouldn’t have to apologize. I also agree that no one has to read a post if they don’t like it…But I DO believe most of us, after nearly 4 hours, would appreciate this getting back on topic. It is one thing to make your point which is everyone’s right. It is another to drone on and on about it AFTER making your point….for FOUR HOURS! I apologized for trying to be funny and lighten the mood. M2C apologized. We’ve all waived a white flag and BEGGED for this to be dropped and for the blog to return to the Haleigh case……people have left because we couldn’t get back on the Haleigh topic….so, with that said, I’M going back to discuss the Haleigh case…I encourage EVERYONE to join us!
She may be going to take a deal,Ya Think?
JB – the reason the Griffis/Sheffields score equal first for me are because:
1. To me, they seemed more interested in trashing Ron than finding Haleigh from the 1st day.
2. Marie was cashing in faster than any grandmother of a missing child in history! That to me is highly suspect.
3. Marie gave Chad a false alibi. I’m not sure if Crystal and Chad also claimed he was home originally or not. I feel Marie giving Chad a false alibi was deliberate, and I have to wonder why she’d do that.
4. Marie has a history of running a drug house, Crystal has been convicted of lying to police, we know Chad has a recent conviction for cocaine (which is an awful drug) and that one or more of them are involved with crack.
5. Crystal owed a small fortune in child support and had just been notified she may go to jail for it.
And more reasons, but those are my main ones. The false alibi and seriously quick quest for donations has my hinky meter sky high.
Re #3, I still feel LE didn’t look closely enough at the many SOs that live in the area.
Re #4, agree it is unlikely, though it is a thought that niggles at me. I really would put nothing past Cindy & George.
Re
You know, with all the juicy tidbits we’ve seen in the jailhouse videos…I bet there is a TON of slipups that have been made by the family we haven’t seen yet. I bet the redacted parts are juicy! I bet they’ve all contradicted themselves and LE is just sitting back taking notes. We’re all in a hurry but I bet it is better for LE to just let them talk and sit back and take notes. They WILL slip up if they haven’t done so already. We just have to be patient (UGH…that word isn’t even in MY vocabulary! LOL)
We are on Haleigh,yall aint now?
Of the three item list above, I agree with two. 1. I am happy Butterbean is with Crystal, and 2. I don’t believe Crystal should have ever been required to pay child support to Ron, as Ron was spending money on nicotine and other drugs. Paying directly for the children’s expenses would have been the best, IMO.
Agree or no, that’s my opinion! Who knows, maybe one in 500, one in a thousand, or one in a gazillion bloggers agree. If NONE do, that is OK, too! LOL!
ME – those are all valid points and ones I will ponder. Every time I think I have a rock solid theory I come here and hear other theories that sound as if not more plausible than my own. Like I said, if we knew all the facts that LE has we could probably eliminate a good number of our theories. I personally have had about 1,349,298,320 theories to date, but I’m trying to eliminate one or two! LOL
I wonder why there hasnt been any new release of tapes too? Wasnt there supposed to be some on Wed. or Thurs. as said on the show?
JB,Everyone on here loved the mood lightening you did. Most joined in as I remember and it sure beats fighting.jmo
ME – weren’t all the RSO’s eliminated and cleared early on? Did that mean all their alibis or ankle bracelet GPS tracking devices checked out? The dumpster thing always bothered me….the hit on the dumpster was very disturbing IMO
jason, I guess I’d be one in a thousand. It takes two incomes to support a family, and the absent parent of COURSE should pay child support. If the funds are’nt being used properly, then take it to court and have it straightened out.
Jason,
I struggle to understand how anyone who loves children would want to see them with a mother than uses drugs while they are in her womb, drives and crashes with them while under the influence of drugs, keeps crack on a property where they reside, continues to use drugs even though she is under threat of losing them etc.
As for child support, I assume you also believe that if a single mother smokes cigarettes, she should not be entitled to child support from her ex, even when she has primary custody? All I can say re your thoughts on non-custodial parents not being required to pay child support is wow, I’m sure glad the powers that be disagree and do what they can to ensure both parents adequately provide for their children, not just their primary custodians.
Tobias…I’m wondering if the latest tapes are so full of juicy stuff that LE can’t release them yet. Maybe these fruitloops are finally letting it rip and giving LE some good info to check out.
As far as the mood lightening goes (not to be confused with mood lighting – LOL)…thanks…but obviously not everyone enjoyed it like we did! 😀
I thougt there was Tobias!
i’ll bbs,gotta eat!!Starving! lol
JB said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:40 pm ME – those are all valid points and ones I will ponder. Every time I think I have a rock solid theory I come here and hear other theories that sound as if not more plausible than my own. Like I said, if we knew all the facts that LE has we could probably eliminate a good number of our theories. I personally have had about 1,349,298,320 theories to date, but I’m trying to eliminate one or two! LOL
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I’m the same….there have been days where I feel almost certain Tommy was involved. But I’m finding it harder and harder to accept that if any of the Croslin’s were involved, LE wouldn’t have the goods on them by now. The Croslins seem to me to be the opposite of smart, all of them, and I can’t believe they could possibly be clever enough to get away with it for this long.
I completely agree that the dumpster thing was disturbing…how does that happen? I can’t understand how LE dismissed it, or have they?
Would love to JB
Tobias, yes I will take a look. Have you come across any vids in their entirety?
JB said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:42 pm ME – weren’t all the RSO’s eliminated and cleared early on? Did that mean all their alibis or ankle bracelet GPS tracking devices checked out? The dumpster thing always bothered me….the hit on the dumpster was very disturbing IMO
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To the best of my recollection, the RSOs were all eliminated almost immediately, which I found peculiar. I do hope LE looked at them more closely than I think they did.
Re the dumpster…that doesn’t bother me too much…I understand they weren’t cadaver dogs, and it appeared LE went through the trash quite thoroughly. If they did their job properly (and I’m not sure they did), they should have been able to identify particular items in the trash that were of relevance, and to obtain DNA samples from them and/or determine whether it was something other than human blood that caused the dogs to hit there. Also, it has been said that LE checked the landfill, which I sure hope is true. I wish we knew some of these answers!
I think highly of Marie Griffis, and like her personality. She’s a Saggitarius; resonates with my astro sign.
During all these months, there has been only one comment from her that caused me to feel concern.
It is a part of a statement she posted to her myspace page shortly after Crystal gained custody of Butterbean.
What I feel concerned about is that Butterbean was ‘playing under the barn with his grandpa’ [according to the myspace posting].
Just caught my attention . . .
Any thoughts, anyone?
Iwonder about the dumpster too but not that way. I wonder where that dumpster was before it got put there and if it had someone elses body in it at some point. Also the drywall in it could have come from a rehab that someone had died in. Alot of possibilities with the dumpster.imo
ME – well, if all the RSO’s have ankle bracelets / GPS…it might have been fairly easy to pinpoint where they were fairly quickly…but I agree…they did eliminate them all very fast.
As far as the dumpster goes….I guess the fact so many babies have been thrown away like garbage in the last two years makes dogs hitting on the dumpster disturbing to me….but that may not be an accurate emotion if in fact LE eliminated the dumpster as being a place Haleigh was placed…..I thought the dogs WERE cadaver dogs! THEY WEREN’T??????
Playing ‘under’ the barn is what I don’t understand. Do barns have basements?
Or, maybe she meant to type ‘in’ the barn.
Tobias…good points about the dumpster…I hadn’t even thought of all of those possibilities. See how smart you guys are? (or how REALLY stupid I am!) LOL
Jason – could have been a typo….I guess some barns could have a “root cellar” or something under them but not sure I’d want to play there.
Time for me to go guys. Hopefully tomorrow won’t be so hostile….it has been a draining day….and our Haleigh is still missing…double bummer!
Question…. was Ron’s truck at the last vigil??
Jason, If you are talking about the under part,
most brns are bank barns and the under level is where horses or cattle are kept the upper part is for hay and farm equiptment.
When I had my mini farm the kids loved to go feed the horses down there. And the barn cats too. Look for kittens stashed away too. jmo
Full context from her statement on myspace:
Crystal has Butterbean(JR) and he is outside running playing with Chase and Morgan, and hanging out under the barn with his Pa!
Mood: blessed Posted at 12:08 PM Jan 23
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:54 pm Playing ‘under’ the barn is what I don’t understand. Do barns have basements?
Or, maybe she meant to type ‘in’ the barn
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Jason i have been reading here on and off today and about the barn comment. Well its rumor that theres a underground room under that barn. Interesting hmmm. when the Haleighbug closed its door it was rumor that they took the purple door down and hung it in the barn. But like i have said this is just rumor…dinner time for now..will catch up later..jmo
Hey Texas – just saw your post….welcome back…I think it is safe (FINALLY) to come out now! LOL Night all!
playing under the barn sounds dangerous…but so does driving around under the influence of drugs, getting in wrecks with the kids in the car…the only thing that sounds more dangerous is to use drugs while your pregnant…jmo
JB said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:43 pm Tobias…I’m wondering if the latest tapes are so full of juicy stuff that LE can’t release them yet. Maybe these fruitloops are finally letting it rip and giving LE some good info to check out.
As far as the mood lightening goes (not to be confused with mood lighting – LOL)…thanks…but obviously not everyone enjoyed it like we did!
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LOL re the word “fruitloops”….I have resisted using that word myself here this morning!
Re why we have no new tapes…my guesses:
LE knew the first lot of tapes would get our attention and not make the players look good. Editing them probably takes a lot of work and time. I think the more they air these tapes, the sillier LE looks, because if anyone had any doubt before that the Croslins weren’t smart, that is now blatantly obvious, and if they’ve gotten away with covering up a very serious crime involing Haleigh for a full year, then PCSO doesn’t look very bright. On the other hand, if they are not responsible, and PCSO has pinned all their hopes on Misty confessing to something, then they don’t look too smart either. The more time that passes, the less likely I think it is that the Croslins are involved, as that would require me to believe that PCSO really don’t have any clever detectives at all. Which is a possibility. I really wish they’d bring a fresh team of properly trained homicide detectives into this case to have a fresh look at it. How long do they usually wait before they allow a fresh team to look at a case like this?
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:54 pm Playing ‘under’ the barn is what I don’t understand. Do barns have basements?
Or, maybe she meant to type ‘in’ the barn.
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I was born in a barn,lol
Tobias,
Thanks! I had no idea, and that has been the only thing Marie has ever said that made me wonder.
People have posted concern about how she squeezed Crystal’s hand, and Crystal paused before answering in a video, but my impression is that Crystal and Marie did not want to cause trouble with the Cummings/Croslins by saying what she REALLY thought.
MEthinks read my 5:51 post.
Then i think someone dropped me on my head! lol
Night all my hubby is on vacation and wants the computer now see ya all soon.
tobias, I read it but still lost?
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:50 pm I think highly of Marie Griffis, and like her personality. She’s a Saggitarius; resonates with my astro sign.
During all these months, there has been only one comment from her that caused me to feel concern.
It is a part of a statement she posted to her myspace page shortly after Crystal gained custody of Butterbean.
What I feel concerned about is that Butterbean was ‘playing under the barn with his grandpa’ [according to the myspace posting].
Just caught my attention . . .
Any thoughts, anyone?
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You must be in Marie’s inner circle to have access to her Myspace….as I suspected you were.
My thoughts re that post, probably meant nothing of significance….are you suggesting she may have been suggesting and broadcasting that grandpa was doing something inappropriate to Jr. That’s a bit of a stretch imo.
What concerns me about Marie, is/was her determination to make some money out of this, combined with her very obvious lack of sorrow/grief, and her lies about Ron which she has been busted for spreading, with the help of others, all over the internet, and her giving Chad a false alibi etc.
Given you are close to her, perhaps you can tell us why she gave Chad a false alibi? And how her tshirt sales are doing?
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 6:03 pm Tobias,
Thanks! I had no idea, and that has been the only thing Marie has ever said that made me wonder.
People have posted concern about how she squeezed Crystal’s hand, and Crystal paused before answering in a video, but my impression is that Crystal and Marie did not want to cause trouble with the Cummings/Croslins by saying what she REALLY thought.
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If you really believe the statement you just made you need to go back and watch all of the interviews Marie and Crystal and done since Haleigh went missing. All they have done is bad Ron trying to say that he abused Haliegh which was proven false and to this day contantly posts negative things about Ron… Go back and watch and then come back and say that. No one here is buying that.
Now theres one i wonder about! Why she gave Chad an alibi,if he did nothing then why,and remember the door propped opn,omo…but i wonder if they were coming back inside to get jr and misty came home!
Seems you know very little about Marie – YOU can access Marie’s myspace and read it right now, if you wish. You don’t need to log in, don’t need to be her friend. She is very open, judging from the content on myspace that she lets everyone read.
No, not suggesting anything but a curiosity about how children can be playing ‘under’ a barn, as I never knew barns were more than one level.
Your suspicions are wrong – I am not related to Marie, nor am I a friend of hers on myspace (although I wouldn’t mind being, maybe I’ll ask for an invite).
JB said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:54 pm ME – well, if all the RSO’s have ankle bracelets / GPS…it might have been fairly easy to pinpoint where they were fairly quickly…but I agree…they did eliminate them all very fast.
As far as the dumpster goes….I guess the fact so many babies have been thrown away like garbage in the last two years makes dogs hitting on the dumpster disturbing to me….but that may not be an accurate emotion if in fact LE eliminated the dumpster as being a place Haleigh was placed…..I thought the dogs WERE cadaver dogs! THEY WEREN’T??????
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I think we all held our breath when the dogs hit on the dumpster….I pray Haleigh is still alive somewhere and there was nothing to it, but agree, that there certainly was and perhaps is, cause for concern.
I’ve heard before that they were cadaver dogs, then more recently that they weren’t. I think LE made a statement about it after, but don’t recall if they addressed that specifically.
I do believe they said they checked the landfill, and that they said that shortly after Somer Thompson was found that way.
It was more than just squeezing a hand!
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 5:54 pm Playing ‘under’ the barn is what I don’t understand. Do barns have basements?
Or, maybe she meant to type ‘in’ the barn.
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Even if the barn does have a basement, I’m not sure that has anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. Is it true that marie’s grow operation was underground…perhaps she was still growing…who knows?
It’s a shame LE didn’t investigate that property until months after Haleigh’s disappearance, because even if Haleigh had been down there, there would have been little if any evidence of that by the time they did their search.
at the vigil mg said,shes fine,i can feel she’s ok…..few minutes later she says,Haleighs upset,shes crying right now for her daddy……..so why being cyrstals mother would she say daddy first.And then she said mommy too,
its just the way she said it,a blunder is how it looked!
CathyJo,
LOL! That means the barn is probably a safe place for them to play; afterall, you were dropped on your head, but landed on the soft straw (or was it hay?).
Tobias says the little kitties and farm animals are there, so I imagine some of the best memories Butterbean and the other children will have of child-hood, will be playing in and around the barn on Granma and Grandpa’s farm.
Something city kids miss out on.
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 6:15 pm Seems you know very little about Marie – YOU can access Marie’s myspace and read it right now, if you wish. You don’t need to log in, don’t need to be her friend. She is very open, judging from the content on myspace that she lets everyone read.
No, not suggesting anything but a curiosity about how children can be playing ‘under’ a barn, as I never knew barns were more than one level.
Your suspicions are wrong – I am not related to Marie, nor am I a friend of hers on myspace (although I wouldn’t mind being, maybe I’ll ask for an invite).
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I know she has gone private with her twitter. I have no desire to visit her twitter…she talks in tongues and spews hatred by quoting the bible. Not the sort of friend I want. I sure hope she has retired from the drug business and has gotten some insight into the fact you shouldn’t run drug houses with children living in them. Poor Crystal never stood much of a chance imo, and I’m not surprised she’s turned out the way she has.
Lol,it was dirt,lol
CathyJo63 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 6:15 pm Now theres one i wonder about! Why she gave Chad an alibi,if he did nothing then why,and remember the door propped opn,omo…but i wonder if they were coming back inside to get jr and misty came home!
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Yes, I find it very suspicious that she gave Chad an alibi, and can’t understand why so many people refuse to discuss him and attack people who do. Why would you give someone a false alibi for a night when your grandchild went missing???????
I’m not sure if it was them that they’d bother taking Jr. Sadly, it’s the little girls that seem to attract the most public sympathy and public donations….boys, not so much. If Caylee had been a boy, the As would probably still have jobs.
Everyone lives and learns. Marie seems to be a great grandma; most parent learn and are much better at parenting when they are grandparents, than they were as parents!
What’s done is done. Move on and look at who she is now, not yesterday.
Spews hatred by ‘quoting the bible’? What??
Mine was a 2 level barn,not the one i was born in but as a kid,but nothings underground in a barn!
ME… if you feel that way about Crystal… then give her a break!!!
Me,also if you remember js said he knew where misty was that night,maybe cuz he followed her,never know,Chad helped m and c!
I mean if i ain’t done nothing,i am not gonna want an alibi!
Maybe an underground cellar… like in tornado county
Discuss Chad if you wish. You’re allowed. I won’t attack you, but I, or someone else may present a counterview.
I haven’t discussed Chad becuase I see no reason to. If you do, go for it.
CathyJo63 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 6:21 pm at the vigil mg said,shes fine,i can feel she’s ok…..few minutes later she says,Haleighs upset,shes crying right now for her daddy……..so why being cyrstals mother would she say daddy first.And then she said mommy too,
its just the way she said it,a blunder is how it looked!
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Very astute observation! Nothing Marie has said or done makes any sense to me, which is why she shares my #1 suspect spot with Tommy.
Beautiful,
Yes, an underground cellar, like in the WIZ of OZ!
many barns have a covered area connected…as in…open on 3 sides, with a roof, to pull vehicles/farm equipment under.
Jason at 5:39 pm You said, “I don’t believe Crystal should have ever been required to pay child support to Ron, as Ron was spending money on nicotine and other drugs.”
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Yes, WHILE he was putting a roof over their heads, feeding them, clothing them, playing with them, getting Haleigh to Doctor appointments etc. Those are facts.
And during that time C paid NOTHING for the children and only took care of them two weekends a month AND missed taking Haleigh to the doctor a dozen times and smoked, did drugs, and delivered a baby on drugs. Those are facts.
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Have you read Kim Picazio’s response to MG and Crystal’s Bar complaint? Interesting things to learn about MG. YJust a suggestion since you said you “think highly of Marie Griffis.” Maybe some facts would interest you. THAT is JMO.
It is also my opinion that what KP said has got to be the truth or MG could sue her and/or KP would get in really hot water with the state Bar Association. So I seriously doubt KP lied. KP’s responses are accessible thru thesky973 web site.
well I did not know Johnny Sheffield knew where Misty was how do you know that
I am not saying that for certain Jason,its a thought,possible,nothing surprises me now!!If someone gets killed near me,and i am not gguilty,why would i need an alibi? ya know!
In other words,you need an alibi if youre guilty of something!
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Marie seems to be a great grandma.
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If I was a grandma, and I knew my deadbeat stepson had crack on my property, where children lived, I’d kick him off that property so fast. My grandma was a good grandma, no drugs, just lots of love and food. My grandma would have called the police on anyone who had drugs around us.
Oh, here’s another opinion. Forming an opinion of someone based on reading their MySpace might as well decide to date people based on their Craigslist “personal ads” (where people also put their best foot forward and also “edit the truth” in their own favor a bit. JMO
I listened to the tape somewhere! LoL FORGOT
cent…I only state facts about Crystal. I don’t like how she lives her life, but like Misty, I don’t think either stood much of a chance given how they were brought up. That doesn’t mean I don’t think Misty might be lying or that Crystal might know more about Haleigh than she’s told, just that it’s easy to see how they became who they are.
cent…and I’d say the same about Casey…it’s not hard to see how she turned out that way when you look at Cindy & George.
I just don’t feel any apprehension about Marie – no red flags.
Intuitively, the impression I get of the hand squeeze, and strong gaze between Crystal and Marie in that video is that Crystal and Marie had discussed what they thought, but decided before-hand to not declare on television what they REALLY thought.
Keep the peace, not reveal their hand at the moment.
It appeared to me that Crystal wasn’t sure whether the best thing to do was answer the question with what she and her mom had already discussed as a possibility, so, she looked to her mom for guidance.
So, Crystal looks to her mom for advice; that is normal of young ladies her age; and is especially understandable that Crystal wanted advice from her mom during a very stressful time.
JS was identified from a witness of a Haleigh siting,wasn’t he??
Then hes on tape saying,they can’t touch him in ky!
I’M LEAVING THIS ALONE AFTER THIS…
But, why is it all lies when KP talked shit about Ron, then when she spews about Crystal she is shouting the gospel truth!!!
Then when Crystal is defended… it’s personal here?
watch the shepp smith interview Jason,from 3″10 to about 3’20 mark i believe!
keep your eye on M!
M2C,
I don’t give much weight to what KP said/says. Very un-professional behavior from that attorney – I do not trust that what she said about the Sheffields is true.
Cathy… refresh my memory please…. where JS say he saw Misty that night.
CathyJo – Don’t fall over but I agree with all your recent posts (except the ones where you are mad at me).
AND I believe that JS brought over his own dogs for a search for Haleigh. Not sure at what time but it’s my understanding that he did. Have to confirm that. But, wow.
It’s the sum total of all these “weird” things plus the motives (and there were plenty) that keep the G/S side on my radar. But that’s as far as I’ll go with it. Just one of many theories.
K/P i wouldn’t trust with a rotten tomato!imo
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 6:49 pm I just don’t feel any apprehension about Marie – no red flags.
Intuitively, the impression I get of the hand squeeze, and strong gaze between Crystal and Marie in that video is that Crystal and Marie had discussed what they thought, but decided before-hand to not declare on television what they REALLY thought.
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if i recall, the same day…crystal had actually spoken of ron and misty somewhat favorably. the feelings changed later. correct me if im wrong
CathyJo,
I have watched that video, and my conclusion is Crystal looked to her mom to get confirmation on whether she should, or should not reveal what was REALLY on her mind.
Marie let her know, with that ‘look’ and squeeze of her hand, that NO, she should NOT tell that.
What is your take on it? What do you think was going on?
Jason, it was professional behavior. MG forced KP to respond to the formal bar complaint. KP HAD to respond to the accusations in that complaint and she did. She HAD to explain why she did and did not do things (like file for custody).
If she’s lying why isn’t MG suing? She could go for libel and defamation. But she isn’t.
She could force the Bar to investigate further but she isn’t.
MG was ill-advised to file that complaint and caused all of that info to come out publicly.
KP had no choice.
That’s the way Bar complaints work.
plzstfu @ 6:55 – You are right. C’s attitude changed very quickly from what she originally said.
I think i saw 2 very nervous ppl,at the 3:10 mark watch mg run her hand thru her hair comes on down touches her mouth and scratches her chil and fidgety as hello! There is something to that video,and also when shepp asked about the canal,she was clueless,then she says,she was taken and shepp says,how do you know that,she says after a minute of stun,i know my dtr!
scratches her chin!
If they had an underground room and cs had motive,WTH??
I DON’T REMEMBER EXACTLY THE PLACE,I’LL GO FIND THE INFO!
CathyJo @ 6:54 – I never liked KP from the start. I really despise what she did. The ONLY reason I tend to believe what she said in her response is because that is serious – lying on that could get her disbarred. If those details were not true she could have written some other excuse. But she was very specific.
plzstfu,
I don’t know about ‘the same day’, but judging from Marie’s twitter and myspace writings, there was a stretch of time during which she posted supportive messages to Misty; very kind messages.
The impression I got was that Marie wanted to be on friendly terms with Misty, in hopes of learning more about what happened to Haleigh.
M2,they used gunny,a psychics dog…..for the fake search i believe,you could be right!
M2C,
I’m not insulting your opinion, how about you show me the same respect?
CathyJo – Yes, that was another dog -with questionable qualifications – that was used.
But I also heard that JS brought his dogs and I thought it was the night/morning/day that Haleigh disappeared.
Maybe someone can help me find that info. It’s pretty long ago now.
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And so shortly after Haleigh disappeared and LE is letting FAMILY use their dogs to search?
Very fishy. Or LE just didn’t handle that right. Part of the reason I’m still concerned about how things were handled from the start by LE.
I know TJ says LE followed the book – but maybe they did or didn’t do some other things too. And I know TJ says LE has been working very hard. Working hard is one thing. Working smart can be something different. (just things that worry me) IMO
Tim Holmseth broke the news of what HE termed a ‘fake search’. People are STLL unclear about it.
Cobra COULD have better explained it, wish he would have because all we have his a story from Tim Holmseth.
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 7:04 pm plzstfu,
I don’t know about ‘the same day’, but judging from Marie’s twitter and myspace writings, there was a stretch of time during which she posted supportive messages to Misty; very kind messages.
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that could be a good reason to say nice things (to get more info) but the body language and reactions to the question posed to them are at best, questionable. imo.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in March 4th, 2010 at 6:50 pm I’M LEAVING THIS ALONE AFTER THIS…
But, why is it all lies when KP talked shit about Ron, then when she spews about Crystal she is shouting the gospel truth!!!
Then when Crystal is defended… it’s personal here?
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I wanted to answer this question.
Kim was lying on Ron because she was working for Kim and Kim was telling the gospel when she had to go under oath and tell the truth of what her version of the story was.
Denise…okay, Thank you
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 7:10 pm Tim Holmseth broke the news of what HE termed a ‘fake search’. People are STLL unclear about it.
Cobra COULD have better explained it, wish he would have because all we have his a story from Tim Holmseth.
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Wanted to clear this up… There is video of Cobra telling Tim H. about the fake search. There was never a version from Tim H. he never claimed he was there or knew anything he is just reporting what Cobra said/
See, M2C, just ‘thinking’ John Sheffield brought his dogs to a ‘fake search’ that only Cobra and Tim Holmseth claim took place (main stream media has never reported it).
Since when do you trust Holmseth to be a reliable source of information?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9HS1Pa-6Ak&feature=related
The one where js says he aint going to jail!
bb
i never say what my thoeries are on this giant mess (too many to detail) but the following sums up where i am in my thinking:
who – everybody around haleigh
what – a missing, innocent victim (this is my only concrete belief)
when – we don’t know
where – taken from her home – this is still debateable
why – too many possibilities
i think we ALL have one thing in common..where is haleigh….
Jason, many of us were reading about the fake search long before we ever heard of TH. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever even been to his site. At least one person involved in that search was posting about it as/when it all happened. Very odd that marie got Dominic Casey involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lKjbnQLCH0&feature=related
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 7:16 pm See, M2C, just ‘thinking’ John Sheffield brought his dogs to a ‘fake search’ that only Cobra and Tim Holmseth claim took place (main stream media has never reported it).
Since when do you trust Holmseth to be a reliable source of information?
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if JS had dogs there what was the reason for having the 3rd party searcher and her dog brought in to search? gunny was the dogs name?? i think??
What are you talking about a reliable source of information???? What false information has he reported that you know of that make him not credible?? You act like he is known for gossip. The only thing he is reporting is interviews with the people involved in the Haleigh case. It is their words not his! Simon, Jan,and TJ seem to like and trust Cobra so I dont know what you keep trying to say you need to be more clear so we can see your side
still looking but heres the one where cobra suspects mg,and mg is who hired him to fin Haleigh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L60WLaZutY&feature=channel
M2,youre wrong,I am not mad at you!!
Denise, good point. Cobra is the originator of the term ‘fake search’; Tim Holmseth passed it on. I listend to the video recording of Cobra many months ago, and read Holmseth’s ‘docs’ a couple months back.
none of the reporters know the real story just like we don’t,in the end the ones who were suspected of lying or adding may have been right……who knows!
Jason, I cannot respect “opinions” like:
Jason said,
in March 3rd, 2010 at 7:05 pm
“Disturbing how people spew such hatred towards a grieving mother because they’re so in love with a manipulative, lieing, outlaw.”
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Jason, most people here do not spew hatred at C. Only recently did we become aware of FACTS about C that revealed more about her as a person and her as a mother. We would like to recognize those facts – especially after about a year of R-haters (for real) spewing hatred at a grieving father. NEITHER PARENT is a good parent. That’s all most of us are trying to say.
And to put down our facts and opinions by saying they are from people who are “in love” with Ron is HUGELY insulting and demeaning to us. And I don’t care if that is your “opinion.”
Should we assume you are in love with Crystal (in order to disparage your opinions)?
but these have the voices!!
New videos and phone calls up at news4jax. 1st phone call is Donna!
I gotta go dl sound card or something,brb cant liten to the vids!
Cobra is not the only one talking about the search the woman with the dog dont know her name right now but anyway she said that the Regan dad was pretending to be a FBI agent.
She is very nasty towards Tim. Seems she might be talking to a stranger who sent her money?
I think she will do the longest sentence of all of them. At her age, there are no excuses for her behaviour.
me said,in March 4th, 2010 at 7:19 pm Jason, many of us were reading about the fake search long before we ever heard of TH. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever even been to his site. At least one person involved in that search was posting about it as/when it all happened. Very odd that marie got Dominic Casey involved.
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True but didn’t want g/c near them! odd! i mean being that they got his PI?
denise – you are correct. she also later stated that she felt like she was ‘duped, played, etc’ paraphrasing…not quoting.
omg,i gotta fix my sound,new vids,bbs
plzstfu said,in March 4th, 2010 at 7:30 pm denise – you are correct. she also later stated that she felt like she was ‘duped, played, etc’ paraphrasing…not quoting.
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Well one way or the other she’s lying but if nothing else she should be questioned to see if there is any truth to it. I just know how easy thing can get twisted after the Natalie Holloway case I can believe anything and its starting to feel like we wont get a resolution if someone doesnt jump in and find out why the police have nothing. There should be some kind of lead especially if they are saying that it is not a stranger abduction. Why is it not a stranger abduction? We havent heard anything and its getting old.
Denise, just because Simon, Jan, and TJ ‘like’ Cobra, doesn’t mean everyone does. Generally, I like the guy, too, but he seemed to try and evade talking about the ‘fake search’, after Tim Holmseth posted the audio in a video on YouTube.
After Tim released the audio, Cobra threatened him – ACCORDING TO TIM [you can read about it on his site, although I can’t say whether his allegations are true, or false].
And???? Maybe he was told not to say anything else. Maybe he sees what he may have created with the formal complaint. Now he has to open up to everything he has done whether wrong or right. One of videos says he could be executed for saying what he said. Maybe he is fearing his life right now. Cobra has been quiet for quite awhile. If you would stop and take everything you know as fact and try to piece it together you can get a glimpse of what could be going on behind the scenes. Everyone knows Ron sucks as a father and Crystal sucks as a mother and Misty sucks as a babysitter. Its time to quit playing sides and look at the facts. Its like you have to say something good about Crystal to counteract anything that was said negative about her. Just look at what we do know and go from there.
Denise, the (TH alleged) younger Regan actions during the search seem outrageous, and I’d hate to think Cobra was covering up for him in some way, but the elder Regan has been on Simon’s talk show, at which time the all of the ‘panel’ supported Regan, and bashed TH.
Let it go, M2C, yesterday is gone; I have no time or interest in continuing – you don’t like my posts, then don’t like ’em.
denise – i was referring to the woman called to the ‘fake search’ with her dog and the outcome…im not sure why she would have a rason to lie about what went down there, and the statements by cobra relating to that seem to back up her up.
i will not get into who has lied or not – imo everyone associated with this disappearance has lied, been lied to or otherwise.
in no way am i slamming anyones opinion on any of this.
CathyJo…it was the Cummings that sent G & C packing. I don’t think Marie or that side did. In fact, I have seen video recently of Marie with Cindy, but can’t recall where. I do hope they’ve had a good look at Marie’s telephone records.
Thats fine I just want EVERYTHING out on both sides and the Regans can tell their side and then we can hear what Cobra says and the search dog lady and the sheffields we can get everyones story together and find out what really happened. Thats what I am anxious to find out.
plzstfu,
I never thought JS brought search dogs; M2C posted that is what she thought. In TH audio/video, Cobra did not say JS had dogs there.
denise – agreed.
we just dont know what LE knows. or we might know more than LE knows. or we might not know anything at all.
i think everyone is so pissed at this whole situation that people (here) are frustrated and fighting.
off to listen to tapes.
lurk mode:on
Now you’re talkin’, Denise! I don’t think that will happen here, though, as ‘keep quiet’ might be the command we get if we try to delve deep into discussion about the Regans.
Remember, the elder Regan was on Simon’s talk show bashing TH (the ‘panel’ was in agreement).
I agree!
There’s also video of Ron and George Anthony together, shaking hands, in agreement that George will help.
Does anyone know why everyone is supposed to tip toe around the Regan’s especially the dad.
let me clarify my earlier comment now that i see other comments: i want ALL information on ALL storeis/rumors/facts on ALL involved.
Ron said he did not want anything to do with the Anthony’s. If you seen a pic of George and Ron it was probably at the very beginning when George came down right when Haleigh went missing.
I know Me,just saying its a wonder he took their offer b/c of it! And i’ll be honest,I don’t care if my worst enemy offered to help find my child i wouldn’t stop it!!!Its like saying,if you see my house on fire and g/c are the only 2 who see its on fire,I’d want them to save my kid’s,wouldn’t you?
What rumors and stories are you talking about
Denise, could be – I didn’t note the date.
I feel bad for George and Cindy they did not ask for this and their granddaughter is dead and they dont know how to turn their back on their daughter. I would never want to be in their shoes. Dont think they deserve all the abuse.
Jason…Ron sent them packing within hours of meeting them. Ron did not hire Dominic Casey or seek a relationship with any of them. Marie was with Cindy much more recently…I think it was at some event. I can’t help but wonder if she asked for advice re t-shirt sales and/or running a foundation. BTW, do we know where the foundation monies are going to now and who is running the show? I assume it’s still Marie? I am glad the Cummings never did that. It sickens me to see parents and grandparents treat their missing children as meal tickets/sources of income.
but everybody knows i woudn’t pee on g/c if they were in a ditch on fire with money bags under each arm,lol
It was Jason,c/g went on today show and told it!!
what did yall get from the db tape?
btw we got cheated…..a whole second in both tapes!
At Jax, it has a link to Cummings, Croslin & Brock jail house calls, but when I download it, I only get one Brock call…is it the same for everyone?
Doesn’t that Donna sound like a nasty piece of work. I pity the person (who seems to be a stranger) sending her money…why????? Sad that someone would waste their hard earned money on someone like her. Way too many people with their hands out in this case. Seems Hank & Lisa have also scored and no doubt hope to make some more out of all this before it’s over.
ME:I think it was at some event. I can’t help but wonder if she asked for advice re t-shirt sales and/or running a foundation. BTW, do we know where the foundation monies are going to now and who is running the show? I assume it’s still Marie? I am glad the Cummings never did that. It sickens me to see parents and grandparents treat their missing children as meal tickets/sources of income.
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yes me,lol why i complained!
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:04 pm Denise, could be – I didn’t note the date.
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You said they shook in agreement that they would help….where the heck did you come up with that? LOL. Not only was there no such agreement, Ron & family made it clear that the As had overstayed their welcome within hours of them arriving in town.
And M2 if youre here,I didn’t mean to upset you,honest,and to be honest about it,if anybody here knows how to keep up with facts and names of ppl involved,dates,evidence,proof.hello you name it you’re the one who knows it………….Just alil on the bossy side,I wish i could speak as well as you do…really i do,but theres no way in helloooooo that i could,i am lucky to remember 5 minutes ago!
You are very well spoken and know how to explain things,hello i probably couln’t tell you the meaning of some of the words you use here!!!!
And certainly can’t explain anything as well as you do!!!!!!!!!
CathyJo63 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Maybe theyll save the house together and the boat and 4 wheelers,lol
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LOL.
I must say, that personally, I find it far more offensive to think of someone making a living out of selling t-shirts of their “missing” grandchildren, than I do of someone making a living from selling prescription drugs (which can be obtained legally from a Dr.). That’s why I can’t follow Caylee’s case anymore (C & G disgust me) and that’s one of my reasons for my serious distaste re Marie.
db’s tape is weird,it almost sounds like she isn’t in trouble????
OMG Me,you can still read my posts on them,i have never in my natural born life hated somebody so much…….honest….and hate is a word i don’t use freely,sorry but there are 3 ppl in this world i do hate and c/g are 2,you know the other one!
Marie has a good heart, IMO, let me make that clear – IMO! LOL! That’s why I don’t think she is at all interested, or ever was, in using her as a ‘meal ticket’. Of course, others might see it different.
Allegations of Ron stealing donation canisters, demanding free meals, and who knows what else, but it’s all worthless information as we don’t whether it is true.
Did you see NG threaten to cut her guest’s mic!!
Kevin Frasier from ET?
Donna strikes me as seriously nasty, capable of a lot, lying, deceiptful, manipulative, and she thinks we and LE are fools, and that she’ll fool us with her “I’m a good guy” statements.
I think she is going to get a heavy sentence, as she has no excuses for her behaviour, and was clearly supplying a teenager (Misty) illegally with drugs. I don’t think she’ll see an ounce of sympathy from the sentencing judge.
Talkin bout how poor horseface spent her 23rd bday in jai,uhhhHUH and she’ll spend her last one in hell,Caylee laid there decaying alone in the woods on her 3rd bday,while they ate pizza while trying to free the damn killer!
NG is getting too dramatic to watch
right jason,we dunno but i can think i know? lol
Jason, marie and the family have already used Haleigh as a meal ticket. They used money donated in her name, and from her tshirt and bracelet sales, to pay their own personal bills etc..the “records” prove this and you can see them attached to the Bar Complaint docs. Not a penny was used to search for Haleigh. The Haleigh monies raised at the concert paid for a Sheffield family holiday to Texas, but not a penny was left for the search for Haleigh. Anyhow, check the Haleighbug records and you’ll see what I say is true….but you probably already know that without checking.
i use to love n/g,looked frwd to her every night,but now grrrrrr
NG antics probably boost her ratings!
Jason,
And I should have added that the $12 000 donated by a “stranger” was used to keep Crystal out of jail, not to search for Haleigh. I would have asked her to donate money to the reward, and faced the consequences before the court…but I guess she was thinking of herself and her own problems first.
its unfortunate Me that 1st impressions stick,cause ever since i seen a grown woman flip the bird in a pic thats it for me,I think maybeeeeee i have flipped one or 2 off but its when i first learned what it meant as a kid,lol
CathyJo…yep, I feel very sorry for her children…this must be very hard for them.
Adams,i didn’t have sound and forgot the livestream!
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:26 pm Marie has a good heart, IMO, let me make that clear – IMO! LOL! That’s why I don’t think she is at all interested, or ever was, in using her as a ‘meal ticket’. Of course, others might see it different.
Allegations of Ron stealing donation canisters, demanding free meals, and who knows what else, but it’s all worthless information as we don’t whether it is true.
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I agree with you about Marie, I offered her money twice, once in March and again in June and I read where Islandmonkey at SM offered topay rent for her and Crystal while they were in Satsuma, she wouldn’t take my money nor Islandmonkeys and she offered 600 a month!
In the other hand, I have direct knowledge of others that were conned by TN into paying her personal bills, they said she cried and begged and they felt bad for her and helped out. NOW, they have seen the light and who/what she and her family are, grifters just like the Croslins. I wish Crystal well and encourage her to tackle any issues head on as I’m sure it has been pure hell for her since day one when Ron was bawling on the ground about hoe he was trying to make a honest living because he had custody. He started it the very first day and never quit.
one more question before i go back to lurking….the 12k that crystal got (so f-ing fishy)…was that paid to child support enforcement/court/back child support? is there documented facts that rc/courts got this $? i might have missed the confirmation of this in the past…year.
Allegations of non-profit Haleighbug funds being mis-used? Haven’t read any news stories about that. If KP said that, and it were actually true, then why no news that an investigation is forthcoming?
Check out the tax return for the Haleighbug non-profit if you want to see what they earned, and what they spent.
You know it is Me!!!
Last night a friend of mines attorney,beautiful woman with 3 sons,shot herself in front of her kids,in their home ,she lives right here near me but think about her boys life from now on!
ppl need to think about their kids,its a dang shame!
So we asked for it and we got it!! Misty is upset over HaLeigh? I love her comeback.. how she was upset the other day, that her lawyer is working for her! HeeeeHeeee
Yea Adams!i couldn’t believe she admitted it!
Just One, thanks for the confirmation of Marie’s good character.
No attacks from others, please! I’m just saying THANKS, I’m allowed to say THANKS!
just one…nice try…but we all know Marie was well and truly shaking the tin can in march! You might wanna look at the KP bar complaint docs…you’ll see the receipts and what they spent the donated monies on.
Cathy… who sounded as if they were up to something hinky… DB or her benefactor??
plzstfu,
Sorry, can’t help you on the 12K as I haven’t paid any mind to it either.
/me goes over to attack Jason by twisting his ear really hard!
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:46 pm Just One, thanks for the confirmation of Marie’s good character.
No attacks from others, please! I’m just saying THANKS, I’m allowed to say THANKS!
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YW and don’t worry, they will form a line to attack me over that post as usual. She asked me if I wanted to donate anything to donate to the reward fund, and refused any monies I offered, but she did ask for prayers.
I should have added the saying “a fool and their money are soon parted”. At least until you are sure there is no longer crack being used by anyone living there, I’d donate your money, if I were you, to a reputable organization, like Klaas for Kids, rather than to known drug users.
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:41 pm Allegations of non-profit Haleighbug funds being mis-used? Haven’t read any news stories about that. If KP said that, and it were actually true, then why no news that an investigation is forthcoming?
Check out the tax return for the Haleighbug non-profit if you want to see what they earned, and what they spent.
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Kim said that in her response to the bar complaint!
Mark Klaas doesnt believe Misty is involved
plzstfu said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:41 pm one more question before i go back to lurking….the 12k that crystal got (so f-ing fishy)…was that paid to child support enforcement/court/back child support? is there documented facts that rc/courts got this $? i might have missed the confirmation of this in the past…year.
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Yep, the money went to solving Crystal’s problems re her refusal to support Haleigh, in accordance with the law. But of course didn’t go anywhere towards actually finding Haleigh. Months ago I saw the records of the payments into Court.
You didn’t see the video of Ron and George Anthony palsy-walsy, obviously, or else you did but just forgot.
Don’t feel like tracking it down right now, but it’s out there on YouTube; maybe I’ll be helpful later on by refreshing your memory with a link to it.
Both,lol who in this case ain’t? lol
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:48 pm Cathy… who sounded as if they were up to something hinky… DB or her benefactor??
We know m is,i can’t figure why db was talking like that,you’d think she’d be madd!!
she was too calm,weird!
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:41 pm Allegations of non-profit Haleighbug funds being mis-used? Haven’t read any news stories about that. If KP said that, and it were actually true, then why no news that an investigation is forthcoming?
Check out the tax return for the Haleighbug non-profit if you want to see what they earned, and what they spent.
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Jason, you obviously haven’t taken the time to read the KP bar complaint docs…I suggest you do…it would certainly “enlighten” you. The Haleighbug records are actually attached to the docs. I don’t see much point in discussing this with you anymore before you take the time to read those highly relevant documents and am surprised, if you are so interested in the case, that you haven’t already.
we have already said that George went to see Ron right after Haleigh went missing we all know that Ron did not want their help he said his daughter was missing not murdered and didnt want to be associated with Casey or the story. Lets start focusing on things that matter this is sooo stupid
Once again, why is KP spewing the gospel truth when it’s against the Sheffield/Griffis camp?
Yet Ron got a donated tat… and that person wasn’t a fool for donating that?
Give me a break…. and everyone else that is sick of this personal crap!!
me said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:49 pm I should have added the saying “a fool and their money are soon parted”. At least until you are sure there is no longer crack being used by anyone living there, I’d donate your money, if I were you, to a reputable organization, like Klaas for Kids, rather than to known drug users.
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I donate regularly to TES, and after offering $ to Marie and sending a donation to TES, I was blessed by a windfall of money a month later on a fluke, so I’ll stick with my heart and donate where I please, God loves a cheerful giver.
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:52 pm You didn’t see the video of Ron and George Anthony palsy-walsy, obviously, or else you did but just forgot.
Don’t feel like tracking it down right now, but it’s out there on YouTube; maybe I’ll be helpful later on by refreshing your memory with a link to it.
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We all saw the video of George in Satsuma. We also saw the story that Ron and his family sent him packing. You must have missed that one.
But God also says not to brag that you gave it!
Ok… enough of the immaturity on this blog. I dont know why this has to be a popularity test. I guess people are really out of things to say so they just want to argue. Dont know but would like to carry a mature conversation on this blog but cant with the way things are going. We are not related to these people we really dont have to defend them like they are friends or family. Sometimes I wonder who I am really talking to is it someone close to the family. Some people act like they really know them.
“preachers daughter here”,lol
CathyJo63 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:59 pm But God also says not to brag that you gave it!
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I’m making a point, you reap what you sow. Simple fact!
I agree!!
Denise, just because KP said it doesn’t make it so, IMO. A bar complaint doesn’t go any further than her colleagues making a judgement call.
IMO, KP may not have been truthful in that rebuttal.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in March 4th, 2010 at 8:55 pm Once again, why is KP spewing the gospel truth when it’s against the Sheffield/Griffis camp?
Yet Ron got a donated tat… and that person wasn’t a fool for donating that?
Give me a break…. and everyone else that is sick of this personal crap!!
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Tattoos are sentimental for some people and the artist probably wanted to show his sympathy to Ron. What is the big deal that is not people giving their hard earned money to find a little girl and the money get spent on something else!
I feel like I am talking to children
I’m leaving….it was nice while people were trying to discuss the case, but now that we have at least one poster wanting to spread lies again, I’m over it…I’ll be back when that sort of stuff stops. Jason pretending that Ron & George are good friends disgusts me….all these malicious lies disgust me. Why are Marie and her friends hell bent on people not getting answers to what happened to Haleigh…all they want to do is spread maliciious gossip and lies about Ron…things that make you go hmmmm.
Jason, you may fool a few here, but most of us are too smart to not recognize that most of what you say is lies.
BBL, I hope.
Sent the Anthony’s away, sent Geraldo away.
Geraldo is a douche jmo
They ain’t friends jason!
Just One,
That’s wonderful!
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:06 pm Just One,
That’s wonderful!
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Thank you . I was tryng to make a point that when you give from your heart and for the right reasons, you are blessed in return. If that makes me a fool, I’ll be happy to remain one LOL. I also know everyone that has given to TN and have since seen the light regret what they did, but if they did it for the right reasons (heart), then they shouldn’t feel ashamed.
cs sent k/p away!mg sent cobra away!
Im just funnin Jason!
I will say tho,no wonder Geraldo got his nose broke!
First off Denise I’m not a child… and that is something you need to recognize, understand, and respect. Enough said!!!
Sorry, kids – they WERE friends, for a short time.
I know, the truth can be hard to accept. In fact, people can turn violent when the truth doesn’t match what they want to believe, so, I’ll be sure to run after posting the link to the video of Ron and George being’friends, just friends’.
You’re not smart, or you’re just playing dumb in order to make the truth tellers look like liars.
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:02 pm Denise, just because KP said it doesn’t make it so, IMO. A bar complaint doesn’t go any further than her colleagues making a judgement call.
IMO, KP may not have been truthful in that rebuttal.
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colleagues that can take her license so she better be able to back up what she says.
No longer fun when you can’t get away with lieing, right?
Youre living proof of that Jason,lol sorry
Jason, I think that the A’s were welcome and then a dose of reality hit… maybe that dose came from an Attorney informing the family that it wasn’t such a great idea, because of the public’s opinion towards the A’s!!
Denise, people want to buy T-Shirts for a few bucks to support a good cause, let them. They want to buy a tatoo for Ron, let them.
When you are a lawyer you have more responsibility than your client you are the professional so she was held to a higher standard and if they thought she had done wrong by her client she would have at least been investigated further. What is it you think Kim has done against Crystal?? She admitted she lied for her, covered things up, started rumors and negative reporting on Ron w/ Art Harris. She was throwing people under the bus and Im sure she held alot of things in because it would have only made her look worse.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:16 pm Jason, I think that the A’s were welcome and then a dose of reality hit… maybe that dose came from an Attorney informing the family that it wasn’t such a great idea, because of the public’s opinion towards the A’s!!
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I totally agree with you BAC, that was my opinion after watching the interaction of George and Ron
Beautiful, good point – could have been on an attorney’s recommendation. Only other reason I can think of would be along the lines of the reason they demanded Geraldo leave; ie: truth.
Cathy, what do you think of the DB conversation… The benefactor wanting to write Misty?
Nobody bought Ron a tattoo the artist did the work and didnt charge. The money from the t-shirts was to search for Haleigh not pay Crystals bills.
Yes Jason but they paid her bills too not to mention new clothes to change her image,she sure didn’t pay her child support to get Haleigh any!
Why is everyone worried about George and Ron and Cindy with Marie? What does it matter?
im at a loss Adams,honest, i can’t even grip that,after m ratted her out,why?
I think i read somewhere that someone donated the lettering n his truck!
Jason, Just… did the A’s ever comment on the family refusing their help? I sort of viewed them as possibly having their hearts in the right place/let’s take the focus off our daughter!! I don’t trust the A’s… I may even distrust them more than I do the families (c&c&s&g)
Denise, the reason was lack of evidence to prove, without a doubt, that KP was wrong. With sufficient evidence, the bar would have no option but to rule against KP, as the evidence could sustain further action against her.
CathyJo63 said,
in March 4th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
im at a loss Adams,honest, i can’t even grip that,after m ratted her out,why?
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The phone convo?… the woman on the line with DB… was odd.. but I can’t decide who was more hinker… DB or the benefactor?
just one said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:08 pm Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:06 pm Just One,
That’s wonderful!
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Thank you . I was tryng to make a point that when you give from your heart and for the right reasons, you are blessed in return
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Sounds to me like you are here to shake the tin can for Marie. I urge any/all of you not to fall for the “give to Marie and you will be rewarded” sales pitch to do some very thorough research before donating your hard earned dollars to that family. You could be helping buy crack…and don’t forget they have many kids in that house, and we know LE found crack there, and that Chad, Crystal & Marie lied about who owned the crack. There are MANY reputable groups that use the money to search for children, rather than pay their own personal bills, and I’d urge you to donate to one of them instead.
just one said at 9:08
“. . .I also know everyone that has given to TN and have since seen the light regret what they did..”
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As we have seen many who blindly followed MG and helped her spew lies and hate all over the internet see the light and regret what they did AND apologize to everyone for it…except for a few and some of them are right here right now.
Can’t stomach this garbage.
Good night all!
Prayers for Haleigh.
I can’t either Adams,weirdest convo i have ever’ heard!!
Beautiful, I recall a video of Cindy being interviewed on a news or talk show, but don’t recall what she said, although I remember it was brief.
Goodnight, M2C.
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:12 pm Sorry, kids – they WERE friends, for a short time.
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You are such a liar. How many people do you think you will fool with statements like that? How do you sleep at night after spreading nasty lies like this all day? Now I’m really out of here….can’t read any more of your disgusting lies.
LOL! Shaking the can for Marie! Rather we shake it for Ron? That OK with ya?
me said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:27 pm just one said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:08 pm Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:06 pm Just One,
That’s wonderful!
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Thank you . I was tryng to make a point that when you give from your heart and for the right reasons, you are blessed in return
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Sounds to me like you are here to shake the tin can for Marie. I urge any/all of you not to fall for the “give to Marie and you will be rewarded” sales pitch to do some very thorough research before donating your hard earned dollars to that family. You could be helping buy crack…and don’t forget they have many kids in that house, and we know LE found crack there, and that Chad, Crystal & Marie lied about who owned the crack. There are MANY reputable groups that use the money to search for children, rather than pay their own personal bills, and I’d urge you to donate to one of them instead.
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Well frankly Ron’s account was set up to pay his bills, and we know he’s a dope boy and has been all along, so I feel people should make their own decisions to where and how much to donate. I wouldn’t mind making a donation even now but she never took it before, and I DO give to reputable organizations also. I feel Ron, and TN and his entire family have lied from the beginning, even the 911 call, so again I’ll donate where I see a need. Thanks for your input, but I’ll trust my gut instinct on this one.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:16 pm Jason, I think that the A’s were welcome and then a dose of reality hit… maybe that dose came from an Attorney informing the family that it wasn’t such a great idea, because of the public’s opinion towards the A’s!!
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There were no attorneys involved. It was the day after Haleigh disappeared. He sent them packing the very day they showed up.
Thanks Jason, just curious as to whether or not Cindy’s infamous eyebrows were strained.
You know the saying that people start to resemble each other after long periods of time… does that go for eyebrows?
CathyJo,
I don’t appreciate your saying that I am a liar, but you’re certainly free to believe what you wish – just rude of you to talk about me like that, especially since it is not true!
Talk about M2C coming out of the woodwork like a giant Florida cock-roach, and attacking people, well, what do you think you did to me?
No friends? Fine with me, dear.
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:32 pm LOL! Shaking the can for Marie! Rather we shake it for Ron? That OK with ya?
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It would be funny if it weren’t so sad, but remember dope boys like Ron need their “powder” and roxies as he admittes he could eat all 200 pills in the UC video and was looking for cocaine, so someone has to pay for it, guess welfare doesn’t pay enough these days for a dope boy/family
Beautiful, LOL. Eyebrows, I dunno!
Beautiful, but it sounds as plausible as anything else here, lol!
m2c♥ said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:27 pm just one said at 9:08
As we have seen many who blindly followed MG and helped her spew lies and hate all over the internet see the light and regret what they did AND apologize to everyone for it…except for a few and some of them are right here right now.
Can’t stomach this garbage.
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Yep, they are here right n
m2c♥ said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:27 pm just one said at 9:08
As we have seen many who blindly followed MG and helped her spew lies and hate all over the internet see the light and regret what they did AND apologize to everyone for it…except for a few and some of them are right here right now.
Can’t stomach this garbage.
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Yep, they are here right now and couldn’t be more obvious about it.
And I can’t stomach it either.
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:34 pm CathyJo,
I don’t appreciate your saying that I am a liar, but you’re certainly free to believe what you wish – just rude of you to talk about me like that, especially since it is
A Liar Jason,when did i call u a liar?
Me said you were a liar,not me!
m2c♥ said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:27 pm just one said at 9:08
“. . .I also know everyone that has given to TN and have since seen the light regret what they did..”
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As we have seen many who blindly followed MG and helped her spew lies and hate all over the internet see the light and regret what they did AND apologize to everyone for it…except for a few and some of them are right here right now.
Can’t stomach this garbage.
Good night all!
Prayers for Haleigh.
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LMAO. Very funny how it’s garbage if anyone post anything positive about the S/G side but perfectly ok to post about Ron and his cunning family and all their glory. I’ve never blindly followed anyone, simply wanted to point out that when I offered $, she refused. Just a simple truth turns your stomach, so be it!
Beautiful, as always, nice to have you here on the board; and Just One, happy to get to know you, hope to see you heee again. Gotta run for now, a very demanding ‘patient’ is calling for me!
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:34 pm CathyJo,
I don’t appreciate your saying that I am a liar, but you’re certainly free to believe what you wish – just rude of you to talk about me like that, especially since it is not true!
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CathyJo didn’t have to say it. Every intelligent poster here can see it. I hope you get exposed the same way Marie’s last lot of lackies did. You don’t care about finding Haleigh, and couldn’t be more obvious about it. Really, how many people did you think you’d fool? So, has Marie just sent you to BNN or are you spewing hatred and lies elsewhere as well?
CathyJo,
MY APOLOGIES!! So sorry I mis-took that as coming from you. Formal apology in front of the entire room, from me to CathyJo.
Hope you have a very nice evening, CathyJo!
Sorry!
just one….want to talk about drugs…
Marie runs drug houses with children in them.
Crystal uses drugs while pregnant and uses drugs, and has an accident with an infant in the car. And is still using.
Chad was recently busted for cocaine, and he also uses crack, and probably Crystal does too…and even if she doesn’t, she clearly has allowed it to be used around her children.
Do you think we don’t know these things?. Makes the sale of a few pills look like child’s play.
This is a rerun of what happened to me,Adams and Bluemoon!
Thank You Jason,now i ain’t the only one who ended up not knowing who theyre fighting with! LoL
Jason, so this week you’re playing Doctor. I remember how you were pretending to be LE last week. Maybe next week you’ll be an astronaut.
ty jASON,I SPLIT OPEN LAUGHING CAUSE I DID IT TOO,SIMPLE MISTAKE!
me said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:46 pm just one….want to talk about drugs…
Marie runs drug houses with children in them.
Crystal uses drugs while pregnant and uses drugs, and has an accident with an infant in the car. And is still using.
Chad was recently busted for cocaine, and he also uses crack, and probably Crystal does too…and even if she doesn’t, she clearly has allowed it to be used around her children.
Do you think we don’t know these things?. Makes the sale of a few pills look like child’s play.
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Thank you for the facts, but I already know them and do believe people can change. Also, the little taste we got of Ron trafficking drugs and his past record, not to mention when he wasn’t caught way overshadow anything I’ve seen on the S/G side of the family. Even Teresa admitted on NG that she chewed her oxycontin, only abusers do that.
Thanks for you input, I’m certain TN is very grateful for your PR campaign.
TTYL
lOl@astronaut!
See ya… Jason!!
CathyJo,
lol! I’m laughing too, love you, girl! Always better when we understand one another cause we been there, done that!
Patient calling, gotta go! Have a great evening!
mg was a dealer of more than one drug! quite a few times!
just one…I never even mentioned TN. Never do actually. I don’t think she had anything to do with this, and I think 99% of people feel the same. Marie on the other hand, hmmmm. People like you make her look more hinky by the day.
Paitent is a relative, tmeporarily bed-ridden, for INQUIRING MIND who thinks I’m a doctor, many roles I play, but tonite it is NURSE!
i just noticed that,I said
me said that,not me??
CathyJo63 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:53 pm mg was a dealer of more than one drug! quite a few times!
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Yep, and only just a few months ago lied about crack cocaine being found on her property. And it seems the person she lied for about the crack, is also the person she gave a false alibi too. Did I mention she talks in tongues?…lol.
yes,I ain’t heard it and dont even wanna Me,no way!!!!I thought theyd said awhile back they found a crack pipe in that couch crystal supposedly took the pic with her and the 2 kids on!
me said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:53 pm just one…I never even mentioned TN. Never do actually. I don’t think she had anything to do with this, and I think 99% of people feel the same. Marie on the other hand, hmmmm. People like you make her look more hinky by the day.
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Actually, most people I chat with believe TN is guilty of covering up, and I’m talking IS, WS and SM (99%) and feel Marie has nothing to so with it and people like you and mc2 make me feel that stronger everyday.
Jason, I remember you saying something about your relative… I get mixed up sometimes, but I thought you posted about that. Hope all is as well as it can/could be.
What gets me is cs had a motive and a hidden room under the barn,sounds odd but i bet the underg room was their growing place!
Cathy… could be a growing place. However, I don’t think it’s in “use” now!
CS’s motive… the money? Could very well be possible… I just think she wasn’t really trying to be bothered full-time. jmo!
Any ideas who the DB benefactor is?
just one said,in March 4th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Actually, most people I chat with believe TN is guilty of covering up, and I’m talking IS, WS and SM (99%) and feel Marie has nothing to so with it and people like you and mc2 make me feel that stronger everyday.
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LOL. LOL. I think you might need some reading glasses. Anyhow, I know who you are and won’t be replying to you anymore. Perhaps you should try a site where the posters are more gullible. And please, stop asking people to give money to Marie. You’ll never catch m2c or I shaking the tin can for anyone. Bye bye. You’re not worth another second of my time, and I won’t waste one on you.
It does appear to be a little calmer in here at the moment.
me said,in March 4th, 2010 at 10:12 pm just one said,in March 4th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Actually, most people I chat with believe TN is guilty of covering up, and I’m talking IS, WS and SM (99%) and feel Marie has nothing to so with it and people like you and mc2 make me feel that stronger everyday.
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LOL. LOL. I think you might need some reading glasses. Anyhow, I know who you are and won’t be replying to you anymore. Perhaps you should try a site where the posters are more gullible. And please, stop asking people to give money to Marie. You’ll never catch m2c or I shaking the tin can for anyone. Bye bye. You’re not worth another second of my time, and I won’t waste one on you.
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LOL, I am not asking anyone to donate to anybody in this case, I simply stated a fact that you didn’t care to hear. I’m sure TN will be calling you soon begging for you to pay her cell phone bill like she has so many others, and you obviously need glasses or don’t get out much. WS has an entire thread where I post dedicated to TN and our supsicions about her. Thanks you for the no response anymore. I certainly appreciate that fact!
maybe not
Right Adams,all i meant though is they searched everywhere and followed up on leads,and she had motive so why would the cops just ignore that?? see what i am sayin?
CathyJo63 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 10:00 pm yes,I ain’t heard it and dont even wanna Me,no way!!!!I thought theyd said awhile back they found a crack pipe in that couch crystal supposedly took the pic with her and the 2 kids on!
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Yep, it wasn’t pretty…quite disturbing actually…made me question her sanity….or perhaps she’s just trying to whip her followers into a frenzy…I don’t know what it was, but it sure was creepy and not surprised she has hidden those tweets now.
Re the pipe in the couch, wouldn’t surprise me a bit. Crack is the worst of the worst and the most frightening drug to have around kids. And very frightening to think that at least one crackhead is/has been around Jr there. Crackheads have killed children before, and have certainly sold a few for cash. And Chad got a false alibi from a woman who ran a drug house….things that make you go hmmmmm.
I wondered too Adams but i have wondered if db is maybe a lesbian? I dunno and i aint saying its wrong or nothing whatsoever but its the way she looks and acts,lol
texas….i think some of the posters/campaigners from WS may have followed you here?!! Are you getting a feeling of deja vous? I sure am. These people are new here, but I’m sure this isn’t the only place they are posting. They’ve got new names here, but it’s the same old people.
Thats it in a nutshell Me!!!
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in March 4th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Any ideas who the DB benefactor is?
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Some blogger who has fallen for her story hook line and sinker.
Cathy… Yes I see/saw your point about CS.
The benefactor sounded like a heavy breather to me!!
Cathy… why do suppose Ma barker sits on a towel??
Adams,I would say but can’t! lol
just one said,in March 4th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
WS has an entire thread where I post dedicated to TN and our supsicions about her.
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Yep, I thought so. As I said, I know who you are. Many of us do. Seen you before…the name change doesn’t fool us.
I know why she really does tho,cause those strap lawn chairs leave welts on ya as$!
Cathy… Cathy… Cathy… Zap!!!
CathyJo…it has made me feel sick to the stomach to even contemplate this, but I got the feeling DB was hoping to have a sexual relationship with Misty. I have nothing against lesbians, but I do have something against 44 year olds of either sex hitting on vulnerable teenagers. It really sickens me. I do think she’ll get the stiffest penalty, and deserves it.
Well,you asked,lol you should know better! lol
me said,in March 4th, 2010 at 10:24 pm just one said,in March 4th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
WS has an entire thread where I post dedicated to TN and our supsicions about her.
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Yep, I thought so. As I said, I know who you are. Many of us do. Seen you before…the name change doesn’t fool us.
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LMAO, First, I lied about posting at WS, just wanted to see your reaction and I was correct in my assumption and secondly, quit wasting your time on me , remember?
You are a fool
I have seen friend and foe here. I would love to run through some speculations and theories about the term NOn Stranger Abduction. I am interested in your first impression of the term and how it relates to HaLeigh’s case.
Second was it a non stranger to Misty and how do we know this or a nonstranger to HaLeigh and as well how would we know this.
Thats what I’ve thought to me!!
just one said,in March 4th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
LMAO, First, I lied about posting at WS,
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Sure, whatever…lol. We know who you are, but nice try. Guess it’s a bit lonely at WS these days, huh?
LMAO, First, I lied about posting at WS, just wanted to see your reaction and I was correct in my assumption and secondly, quit wasting your time on me , remember?
You are a fool
Just1,its foolish to play games,why would you blantantly lie as a joke!
I dont understand why people keep on and on about Crystal and Marie and Kim, I dont understand the logic, first they will say stuff like, Crystal is on drugs and didnt want HaLeigh to begin with, didnt fight for her, didnt pay her child support…..on and on and on….then in the next breath they will say that maybe it was Crystal that kidnapped HaLeigh and whisked her away and is keeping her hid somewhere and Marie knows it to and that could be where Marie has just gone to….WTH kind of sense does that make, dang people you cant have it both ways.either Crystal wanted her child or she didnt, and why does any of this matter anyways.Ronald was responsible for these children, he fought for them in court, he got custody, therefore it was his call who to allow these children to stay with and he made a poor choice when he allowed a 17 year old child to keep them when she didnt want to and he knew she did drugs. These are the people that didnt care enough to keep this child safe, and they are right where they need to be…IN JAIL
Texas.. I think the only way we will know is when all is revealed. NS means to me that it’s someone that is known to the families/one of the family members/friends. That is what I get from LE’s usage of the term. It’s vague just as LE is, but what else is there really?
texas…
I am GUESSING that they mean someone known to someone in one of the relevant families. We had one here a few days ago where a neighbor from a couple of streets away, who was “friends” with the family, was considered the suspect….I think that would qualify as a non-stranger abduction. Perhaps it would include other parents who dropped their kid at the bus stop, visitors to the home and a wide range of people? And your thoughts?
BTW…in that case the parents were sleeping, and even though the person broke in, they slept through it and didn’t discover her missing til morning. It happens.
Adams,are more new tapes coming tonight?
Cathy, I don’t know… on Jax the reporter said that he was still viewing them… whatever that means… cause I think that they’ve had them all along
And the case I mentioned earlier here on the thread, where a 3 year old went missing while his mother was showering….sadly, they have found his body. At this point, it looks like he was upset his father went to the library without him, he got out of the house and tried to follow dad, and was snatched by someone.
Predators treat these kids like prey (hence the name), watch them and wait for their opportunities….and they can be very daring and take huge chances. I still think there is a chance it was someone like that who took Haleigh.
xfiles…why does it bother you that people think Marie, Chad etc might have something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance? Do you know if Chad has given up the crack? You know what crackheads are capable of, don’t you?
Cathy… have you seen the Rocky/Ron vid by Papa?
Ty Adams!
bbs,make my nightly call to my daughter before she goes to bed!
me said…yep I do, look at Ronald and Misty they were capable of loosing HaLeigh, or doing away with her, yep, thats what they are capable of alright.
xfiles…not quite sure what your statement about Misty & Ron has to do with my questions about Chad etc. I suppose you don’t want to answer what I asked and just decided to throw some stuff out there instead?
me said, I did answer your question, you ask if I knew what crack heads were capable of and I said yes, Ron and Misty are crack heads and we see what they were capable of, so there is your answer.
I have my pet theory, but, as many have stated I do have a few others as well and until HaLeigh is found I guess I am willing to again look at the last known person to have seen HaLeigh that night.
Misty could very well be hiding additional information about that night that might lead us to HaLeigh. I have pondered LE’s motives and there intent to keep Misty as their primary focus and not able to solve this case.
Misty could of been asleep as she stated and has no knowledge of who came into the home and will be of no help in finding HaLeigh. 1 year later hhmmmmmmmmm.
IMO the police report has been the most informative and possible the only truth we have been witness to. The contridictions that are apparent in the “crime scene” point to a change of plans not a plotted cover up IMO. The bricking of the screen door and the use of the kitchen light, it would seem logical to brick the door for a speedy and quiet exit, but, for some reason NS turns on the kitchen light and remove HaLeighs clothes before leaving. The fact that there was no light at the back of the trailer and the use of the bricks and the path the NS took with HaLeigh suggests the NS had a light source why the use of the kitchen light? See what I mean? The evidence does tell us somethings that can not be lied about.
xfiles…actually Ron & Misty have never been associated with crack, but I’m pretty sure you know that.
me said,maybe they havent been associated with crack that we know of, but we all heard Ron ask the UC if he had any coke, so Im sure that if he did coke and other drugs I dont think he would turn down a crack rock if he had the chance to smoke one!
Texasmommy39 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
The bricking of the screen door and the use of the kitchen light, it would seem logical to brick the door for a speedy and quiet exit, but, for some reason NS turns on the kitchen light and remove HaLeighs clothes before leaving. The fact that there was no light at the back of the trailer and the use of the bricks and the path the NS took with HaLeigh suggests the NS had a light source why the use of the kitchen light? See what I mean? The evidence does tell us somethings that can not be lied about.
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I think there are many possible explanations as to what may have happened to Haleigh, given the limited info we have.
If it was an intruder, whether known to the family or otherwise, it makes sense to use the brick…keeps down the noise of opening and closing the door repeatedly, and allows for quick escape.
Re the kitchen lights, imo, that is consistent with an intruder entering. They would want some light, but not want to turn on the bedroom lights. If the kitchen light awoke Misty, they had a quick exit out the back door, which remained open.
Re the clothes, I don’t assume the perp took them off her. Haleigh was old enough to be able to dress and undress herself and may have taken that shirt off without help. Or perhaps the intruder took it off and left it, as he didn’t want her in clothing she would be quickly and easily recognizable in.
xfiles said,in March 4th, 2010 at 11:30 pm me said,maybe they havent been associated with crack that we know of, but we all heard Ron ask the UC if he had any coke,
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Actually, I never heard him say that. Can you show us the tape where he did. In any event, who is saying Ron was a great father and what does that have to do with Chad? I know lots about Ron, and little about Chad other than the fact he appears to be a crackhead, didn’t contribute to supporting Haleigh financially, was recently convicted of cocaine possession, had a restraining order out against him, and has at least one relative living in the area who is an RSO. Do you know how he is related to Hilda?
Well tell Crystal and Chad to share next time they see Ron I am sure they all need that first step in having something in common since they do not consider their children to be that common bond.
Can we get back to finding that missing clue that will find HaLeigh.
I am re-reading a FirstCoast news article about the search at Marie & Crystal’s house….it says…
GLEN ST. MARY, FL — Search teams have finished a thorough search of Haleigh Cummings’ grandmother’s property, and are now searching another relative’s property nearby.
The first search, on 30 acres belonging to Marie Griffis, turned up animal remains, as expected, but nothing else.
Investigators told First Coast News they wanted to make sure they were following through on every possibility, so divers, diggers and searchers went through the property after learning several animals were buried there.
After completing the search on Griffis’ land, the searchers moved over to another relative’s property, a 25-acre tract.
About 40 investigators, including the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office dive team and cadaver dogs, came to Baker County early this morning and searched through a pond and under several trailers.
Does anyone know who the Griffis relative is that owned the 25 acre property that they also searched? I wonder if it’s one of the RSOs?
Im sorry I just can not understand why the personal attachment to any of these adults.They are not victims the victim is the child HALEIGH and all of these adults need to suck it up and expect to be exposed till HaLeigh is found. Now can we move on?
I can call it a night.
me, I do not know the relatives name.
It is kinda wierd that LE did not search TN or GGMS property as well. Maybe they have not had probable cause. OHHH I forgot the Sheffield asked for the search. WOW they have that much pull for that much man power. LOL
Dang I cleaned house apparently.
All right now that everyone is gone I am redecorating.
I’m still here! And some house cleaning was needed…lol.
I wish they had searched that property early on
Jason said,
in March 4th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Tim Holmseth broke the news of what HE termed a ‘fake search’. People are STLL unclear about it.
Cobra COULD have better explained it, wish he would have because all we have his a story from Tim Holmseth
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Only story I got of the search is from someone who was there.
The first thing that is going up is a sign that reads Please leave your skidmarks and grannie panties and thongs at the door and please be advised to pick up your complimantary depends with the coat check. Thank you NEW MANAGMENT
xfiles said,
in March 4th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
me said,maybe they havent been associated with crack that we know of, but we all heard Ron ask the UC if he had any coke, so Im sure that if he did coke and other drugs I dont think he would turn down a crack rock if he had the chance to smoke one
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and what tape would that be? that would have been all over the net in a heartbeat if that were true.
I’m still here! And some house cleaning was needed…lol.
I wish they had searched that property early on. I also wish they had conducted a thorough search of Tommy & Hank & Lisa’s house. I would like to see Marie, Crystal & Chad’s phone records from the time she received the warrant to the time Haleigh was taken….I sure hope LE have looked at those records. I really wish they’d bring fresh detectives into the case. One year is a long time, and this “we expect the 17 year old to solve it for us” business is getting very old to me, and don’t know why others think it’s good enough.
me said,
in March 4th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
texas….i think some of the posters/campaigners from WS may have followed you here?!! Are you getting a feeling of deja vous? I sure am. These people are new here, but I’m sure this isn’t the only place they are posting. They’ve got new names here, but it’s the same old people.
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deja vous for sure. 😉
IDK me. I just keep beleiving she will be found. I do not intend to stop searching.
OOPS..deja vu..:D
I am not a fews favorite peeps at WS. My point of veiw does not waver with the wind.
xfiles said,
in March 4th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
me said…yep I do, look at Ronald and Misty they were capable of loosing HaLeigh, or doing away with her, yep, thats what they are capable of alrigh
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Hello boo, higher hopes, etc. I wonder if Jan would be interested in the list of different nics you have here? You do realize that is called trolling, don’t you?
private eye, seenitall, xfiles, etc..I’ve told you time and time again your spelling and drivel give you away every time.
vaquera said,in March 5th, 2010 at 12:09 am
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I wish you would give Jan a list.
Misty allowed it to happen or knows nothing and I do not understand why nothing else seems to matter to LE and no one is looking for HaLeigh. LE knows she was taken form that trailer alive, well and walking. The evidence suggests more than what Misty said happened and apparently the evidence suggests Misty was not where she said she was when Haleigh was abducted.(Read that tonight at this link)http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-08-17/story/focus_is_narrowing_in_haleigh_cummings_disappearance_police_say
My question is what time was HaLeigh abducted? How would they know where Misty was at that exact time?
Dang that link did not take hmmm. Tell me if y’all have trouble with that link.
I copied and pasted and no problems.
OH well thanks for stopping by, please keep the depends,I do not think they are cosidered reusable. Come back and see us ya hear.
Jason said,
in March 4th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
You didn’t see the video of Ron and George Anthony palsy-walsy, obviously, or else you did but just forgot.
Don’t feel like tracking it down right now, but it’s out there on YouTube; maybe I’ll be helpful later on by refreshing your memory with a link to it.
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saw it and after that Ron said he didn’t want their help.
Now back to redecorating this place whatb is next I think the big comfey couch has to got to go. We don’t want the unwelcomed to feel to comfortable around here.
New Managment Disclaimer, I do not mean you!
We also need to change the color around here… red is fine, but, not with sticky…. its got to go!
Did I read company??? Vaq, is that you?
Talk about fly by… I need to install a tarmac for all our fly by guests.
Texasmommy39 said,in March 5th, 2010 at 12:24 am Now back to redecorating this place whatb is next I think the big comfey couch has to got to go. We don’t want the unwelcomed to feel to comfortable around here.
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LOL!
Well I am putting out the I have step out sign and am going to get some sleep since cleaning house seems to have stopped the company that usually dwell here at nights. BY the way do we need to instal some cellar ( we can rent space from Marie) coffins for your day time sleep needs?
I think they’ve gone from fly by to routine landings…maybe we need to get rid of air traffic control and see what happens. I think more than 1 fly in at the same time, though I suspect their pilots have spoken before they land.
Sorry for the silliness. Where is Haleigh? How long does it take before they will call fresh LE in to have a look at the case, if ever?
OHHH company
Good nite Texas.
I hope that LE is still looking into all and not just focusing on Misty. It would only be logical since there is no smoking gun and they have not find the missing piece to this puzzle yet.
Good night, me.
vaquera, and Ive told you before this is not a spelling class, and if you knew half of what you claim to know about who I am you would almost be smarter then a 5th grader. Do you actually have to say something to me everytime I post, does it hurt you in some way for me to post on a public board? If not then I suggest you continue on with your discussions and I will continue on with mine. Thanks.
No fair Xfiles I wanted to be the lat word tonight. Jeesh
Just got this place cleaned up and you come in here and tracked in some more chit..
No fair Xfiles I wanted to be the last word tonight. Jeesh
Just got this place cleaned up and you come in here and tracked in some more #@$%$.
LOL SEE I doubled you out. FRESH and Clean. By the way kepp the depends no returns.
X see what you made me do… I missed spelled #@$%$. LOL it must be contagious.
Is everybody sleeping?
hey,anybody here?
I’ll tell you guys one thing…..todays the first time i have ever heard of a LoveLetter worm!!
silly! Thats why my sound ain’t working and was trying to fix it and i see everybody left now,shoot!
Fight Crime,Shoot back!LoL
fight crime shoot back – i like it
Just going through a lot of old news articles, videos etc…found a few interesting things…like when LE announced they had found items of interest during the course of searching the RSO’s homes….but we never heard more?
These are excerpts from an old interview with Crystal & JVM…interesting that JVM says the foundation is to help find Haleigh, when in fact the website made it clear the donations would go to the family, not the search for Haleigh…Crystal sure doesn’t correct her. Then instead of saying the center is to help find Haleigh, Crystal slips and says it’s for donations! Wow.
JVM: Crystal, I would like to start with Haleigh Bug, the foundation you just started to find your precious child…..
Crystal, tell us all about this new strategy you have for finding your daughter.
CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, MOTHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: It`s just something where everybody can come. I mean, anybody that wants to do any donations, I mean, call.
I guess I missed you? Karon @1:32
LOL! That’s how long it took me to “catch-up”.
Everyone who considers posting to the Haleigh articles here. Know up front that any post that defends Haleigh’s mother or her family, in any way shape or form, will be seen as ill-informed, agendized, and/or malicious to Haleigh’s father & his family. If you post be aware that your views, intelligence, & moral decency will be questioned by some. Even if you don’t agree that Crystal and/or her man o the moment be allowed to use drugs, just like Ron & his flavor of the month shouldn’t be able to.
The truth will one day be revealed, no matter WHAT that truth is. ALL will know who did what & when with maybe a few whys. I think even bloggers who have served agendas, on either side will be revealed. Worry not, it will come.
Every day that passes is one more day closer to that eventual truth. We can’t, any of us say, when that day will come, but we ARE getting closer everyday.
After reading the comments of the past 36 hours (since I’ve been offline, Jan can verify if there are any doubts) I can honestly say I stand by my previously mentioned post about
“Half will be crushed”. I believe it more now then when I wrote it. Whether Crystal/SHeffields or Ron and/or Misty is at fault for Haleigh’s abduction/disappearance…..those who stood by and defended the wrong party will be devestated!
I never said I would be upset or sad about Haleigh comming home, just felt some compassion for those who will be shocked, hurt, & confused. Whichever “faction” that will be.
THings can’t stay quiet forever….Misty’s due in court on Monday…LOL!
I do not know if anyone has heard!! It was on our news that Misty is saying it was a kidnapping plot!!!! She did not have anything to do with it. That is all I know right now. Hopefully we will be updated soon!!!!!! Hopefully Haleigh can home home now!!
This could be the key info that unlocked the hidden secret. LE was right if this is the case. Maybe misty did take a lie detector test and passed this time. PRAY PRAY FOR HALEIGH
Newsjax4 has a jailhouse release from thursday ( it is on the right hand of the page). Misty is talking about Haleigh. This is the vid I saw on the cfsnews13 orlando, but I cannot find a written article anywhere about where she is saying it was kidnap plot. This is what they are airing here on cfsnews13.
Texasmommy39 said,in March 4th, 2010 at 11:49 pm me, I do not know the relatives name.
It is kinda wierd that LE did not search TN or GGMS property as well. Maybe they have not had probable cause. OHHH I forgot the Sheffield asked for the search. WOW they have that much pull for that much man power. LOL
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Yeah, you wouldnt think that Crystal’s side would have that much pull with LE would you but if you go by what Kim Picazio said that is exactly what happened. She also said she was really good friends with Peggy Cone
Jason said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:24 pm Denise, the reason was lack of evidence to prove, without a doubt, that KP was wrong. With sufficient evidence, the bar would have no option but to rule against KP, as the evidence could sustain further action against her.
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Oh yes. I am sure there is alot of evidence against her but what you are not getting is that she worked for Crystal so if the evidence is against Kim then it will show negatively on Crystal and show what she has done also. I know that Kim was shady I seen the emails and interviews with her Im just saying that she told what she had to just to show that she was “working” for her client.
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:11 pm First off Denise I’m not a child… and that is something you need to recognize, understand, and respect. Enough said!!!
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Oh I definitely recognize your not a child… just saying how I feel
It just aired again and they are saying Misty is maintaining her innocence and that Haleigh was abducted from that home. Not sure how the news cast came up with kidnap plot, unless they put the kidnap attempt up beside Mistys screen shot of the vid. There was also a kidnap attempt of an 8 year old boy, but the boy was found and returned to dad. These stories ran side by side. Lets keep praying!
looking for Justice! THANK YOU FOR THE NEWS!
I’m anxiously waiting for more! Yikes!
Is the end in sight? I’m almost afraid to hope!
HGm – regarding your post March 5 @ 5:11 am
I think a fairer warning to posters would be to be prepared for the retaliation if they dare say anything remotely positive about R or remotely negative about the bio-mom’s side.
In other words, don’t look at all aspects of this case or the people involved.
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Also, you said:
“I stand by my previously mentioned post about
“Half will be crushed”. I believe it more now then when I wrote it. Whether Crystal/SHeffields or Ron and/or Misty is at fault for Haleigh’s abduction/disappearance…..those who stood by and defended the wrong party will be devestated!
I never said I would be upset or sad about Haleigh comming home, just felt some compassion for those who will be shocked, hurt, & confused. Whichever “faction” that will be.”
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HGm –
Well I’m just glad there is only one faction that made it their business to “stand by and defend” a certain party (meaning the R-haters/C supporters).
Other than that one I don’t see any factions.
I see that some people who trash R don’t think he had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.
I see that some people who want to recognize the truth about C and her family do not necessarily believe she is guilty.
I see some people who would like R treated in a reasonably sane, fair way. But it does NOT mean they believe he’s innocent or believe he’s done no wrong (as a person or a dad).
I see people who would be very sad to hear that ANY parent could harm their child.
I am perplexed by the efforts to reduce this whole case to a simple-minded black vs white, “for or against R” issue. It is much more complex. And so are the minds and views of THINKING people.
I see a lot of open minds who only want to discuss the facts of the case and various theories without getting sucked into the R-hating tornado.
But they are constantly bombarded with name calling – “R lovers” – and worse.
It is a blatant tactic commonly used to browbeat and bully others into submission.
So I reserve my compassion for them – the ones who have tried to look at all aspects of this case, who have no “investment” in who did it, but who just want to know the truth.
If it turns out that someone other than R was responsible, I’m sure the R-haters will be “devastated,” as you said. But not for long. They can fall back on all the “he’s a terrible person/father” accusations and continue to attack him for the rest of their lives. So I don’t worry about them. Their hate will keep them warm. (no compassion needed – IMO – or deserved).
m2c, cfsnews I believe put up their top story list beside Misty talking from behind bars. As they had her talking to Lisa Croslin the list beside her said Kinapping plot and drug trafficking charges. This was so misleading!!!! There was a big drug bust in Seminole County and those arrested are up on drug trafficking charges. Then there was an 8 year old little boy taken by two men from his dad and they later found the boy with his mom. ibelieve where in the same place we were yesterday. I was so disappointed when I realized what they had done. I was thinking maybe today was the day, but it’s not;sorry.
tip toe tip toe tippy toe….
Someone must of E-mailed them. They changed it the next time it came up. The anchor woman said just what Misty Croslin is saying behind bars and they had no listings at all up. You can watch that short take on newsjax4. It is over on the right hand of your screen. You can see she is arrogant. They can all kiss my a**. I do think about Haleigh. Everyday I think about Haleighand pray for Haleigh is the jist of what you will here.
When I did not see anything here at BNN I should of known cfsnews screwed up the screen. I am so down now. It gave me some hope Haleigh is alive.
LFJ – don’t be down. Haleigh WILL be found and the truth will be known. But it will be done in God’s time, not ours.
I’m just relieved to see it is peaceful in here this AM. Yesterday I came in like Crouching Tiger and left like Slinking Kitty! LMAO
Thanks JB. You are right and I know it’s the truth. God will reveal what happened to Haleigh.
I guess there was some good news today though. The little boy was returned to his father and alot more drugs are off the streets. Amen! to that.
LFJ – Now you’re talking! There is always some positive somewhere….sometimes just hard to find…but you found it!
JB your humor was awesome! I knew it was not ill intended. I haven’t had a good laugh in awhile, until yesterday. Keep spreading the laughter. It is good for the soul.
LFJ – well, my humor OBVIOUSLY isn’t always appreciated!
BBL – gotta get some work done! Take care all and I’ll chat with ya later. Hopefully we’ll have a break in the case upon my return! I’m praying that is the case anyway!
Morning, JB!
Hi, looking for Justice! Wow. That news report really did mislead viewers. I can understand the confusion.
But you are right. There were two pieces of good news (the little boy and the other drug arrests) and for that we can be thankful.
Just have to keep praying for Haleigh.
I’ll check in from time to time but have a lot to do today so will “see” you all later!
Good morning everybody. Anyone here?
good morning texasmommy! I’m here, and very glad it’s mellow in here. just trying to catch up…
There is a BRAND NEW ARTICLE! Hooray!
I have been reviewing Misty’s Hypnosis video and am very curious that they where very interested in Tommy and not so much the A/C man.
Here is a link.
http://www.wftv.com/video/20605182/index.html
What do we know about the A/C Guy that arrived at the trailer that night at around 5:30 and stayed about an hour?
Misty stated it was possible “Artic Air” and that Rons cousin’s ex worked there.
me said,in March 4th, 2010 at 11:35 pm xfiles said,in March 4th, 2010 at 11:30 pm me said,maybe they havent been associated with crack that we know of, but we all heard Ron ask the UC if he had any coke,
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Actually, I never heard him say that. Can you show us the tape where he did. In any event, who is saying Ron was a great father and what does that have to do with Chad? I know lots about Ron, and little about Chad other than the fact he appears to be a crackhead, didn’t contribute to supporting Haleigh financially, was recently convicted of cocaine possession, had a restraining order out against him, and has at least one relative living in the area who is an RSO. Do you know how he is related to Hilda?
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In This VIDEO RON ASKED THE UC ABOUT “POWDER” AKA COCAINE,……….aroune 1:30 into the video, and says he likes to get high….THERE’s YOUR SIGN
I am new here and I have been following everything on Haleigh missing, since it first aired. I have been searching whatever, I can. There is so many family members, ex’s, boyfriends, cousins, so called friends. It’s a wonder I haven’t heard of any family pets! There is Ron, Teresa-(his mother),Pops-maybe her boyfriend, Hank. Amber Brooks-who Ron had another baby, with. Crystal-XGF, her mother, Marie. Chad-Crystal’s BF or X. GGSykes-Teresa’s mother, RC’s cousin-Hope. Tommy, Timmy, another Hank-Misty’s dad/Lisa-Mom. There’s a cousin Joe, Lindsy, Chelsea-married to Croslin-brothers, Nay Nay, WBGreg-friends of Misty’s. What a family gang… Drugs involved with everyone and then there’s guns. Stealing & gun & checks from elderly man. Taking a gun from RC. RC & MC fighting with Croslin’s. Rats in mailboxes. RC drug arrests-so many I couldn’t believe and all dropped. Everyone fighting all the time. The children around this mess… I can imagine how this affected them. I pray for little Haleigh & her little brother, Jr. Something says to me- party @ the MH that night. I feel the kids might have been given something to sleep, since MC didn’t want to babysit. RC & MC at a fair, spending $1000. Getting a tattoo with Haleigh’s name. The LE have had so much to sort through. Even the (2) men in with RC knew Nay Nay. Someone will snitch, soon… They’ll want out.
Nancy Grace Transcript with RON asking UC for Cocaine:
CUMMINGS: What you got? I hear you sniffling.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Huh?
CUMMINGS: What you got? I hear you sniffling.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
CUMMINGS: Roxies or something?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. My (EXPLETIVE DELETED) stays (EXPLETIVE DELETED), dude.
CUMMINGS: You got some good dope or something?
M. CROSLIN: (Laughs)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. No.
CUMMINGS: I like to get high, that`s why I was asking. If you had powder to let me know.
WoW Just one…. Some will say “powder” can mean anything!!! However!!!!???
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in March 5th, 2010 at 1:47 pm WoW Just one…. Some will say “powder” can mean anything!!! However!!!!???
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LOL, that is so true, I’m sure he meant baby powder. NOT. The sniffling of the UC is the perfect example or someone on cocaine, they have runny noses, so I gues Ron thought he’d try to get some cocaine too, maybe he could snort the coke while he ate the roxies over those 2 weeks. Can’t beleive they deny this tape is out there as this was on NG IIRC Feb, 22 or 23. Just goes to prove they aren’t willing to admit to seeing anything negative about Ron/Tn and only bad things about Crystal/Marie
Sorry guys,Ive missed yas everytime!!!
I cant listen to the tapes either!
Hmm… Lots of ?’s in my mind. I found where Amber is related to CS. Amber’s mother arrested 2008/assault on MC. Video’s of CS & MG. (1) on where MG has a “gut feeling” Haleigh is in Alabama or Georgia. Asked how she knows that? She states “I feel it”, I just “feel it”. Weird!
Denise said,
in March 5th, 2010 at 7:11 am
beautiful*adams (cent) said,in March 4th, 2010 at 9:11 pm First off Denise I’m not a child… and that is something you need to recognize, understand, and respect. Enough said!!!
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Oh I definitely recognize your not a child… just saying how I feel
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And so did I!!
Anybody home???
HollyGmom
I have not gotten back to you on the van thing. I have had my daughter with me, she is 23 and I don’t get one on one with her to often any more, married, college and life.
I had given thought to the van and distance thing. There are a lot of variables involved, such as if anyone would of put gas in from a container. It would take complete honesty on behalf of Lindsy and Tommy. I don’t trust Tommy and I believe Lindsy would cover for Tommy. I don’t believe a lot of what Tommy says and I don’t believe him about that night. I find all these people behaviours quite odd. It is as though none of them say anything to each others face. Just the other day I came across Twitter by Crystal and her out burst at Misty over the Mommy thing. Their behaviour strikes me as elementary school yard behaviour. I find it odd Crystal never approached Misty face to face, I find it odd Tommy was walking about after his statement to Police. Ronald claims he will kill the person yet he lives in the same area as Tommy and does nothing? This behaviour goes on and on with all of them, its ridiculous, just adds to the drama and solves nothing.
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