Jan and I just wanted to let everyone know that we will be running our regular Sunday radio program, at 3pm Central (4 pm eastern) on Blog Talk Radio.
There is a great deal to talk about, and you can rest assured that we will be!
Both Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony have been in the news this week. One major sideshow in the Haleigh Cummings investigation came to a screeching halt on Wednesday. William Cobra Staubs no longer has a several felony charges against him, he can continue with his life. The 13-15 year jail threat was reduced to a one year probation, the terms of which made me laugh. He can carry guns, he can hang out with bad folks, he can go and have a Rum and Coke, he is free to travel where he wishes, and whenever he wishes. Probation check in will be monthly, but it will be done via mail. A postcard from Disney World! He has agreed that during the next 12 months he will not do any Investigative or Bond related work in Putnam County or the three adjacent counties. As Cobra is in the Ft Lauderdale area, this hardly seems like much of an encumbrance.
A sector of the press is pushing hard on the story that Misty Croslin has failed yet another Polygraph test. My take on that is ‘so what’? She has failed so many before, where is the news on her failing another?
One of the very few pieces of tabloid news that came out this week concerned Misty Croslin’s brother Tommy. He sits in jail facing drug trafficking charges, as does his sister, and Haleigh Cummings father Ronald Cummings. In a carefully worded comment Tommy’s attorney suggested that maybe his client was not at the Cummings mobile home on the night that Haleigh disappeared.
In the Caylee Anthony case we have some allegations that just blow my mind. In the style of Tiger Woods, we have some woman coming forward with claims of having an affair with George Anthony. While few would leap into bed with Cindy Anthony, I find it equally unlikely that George would be a great catch. At least Tiger has money!
Jan has been covering some other cases this week, and we will be exploring them as well.
People always love to ask who is going to be on the panel, well the short answer is I do not know. But I do know that they will be well informed and knowledgeable on the cases.
To tune in to the program just point your browser to www.blogtalkradio.com a few minutes before 3pm central on March/28 and you will see the link.
Simon Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon – is Timmy in jail on trafficking charges?
Timmy is free. Tommy is in jail.
Simon, is this the show on Blog Talk Radio that Tim Miller will be on?
Tommy NOT Timmy!
Sorry for the mistake on the name. It has been corrected.
Jan Barrett
Thank you simon and jannie.. I’ll be there with bells on my fingers and rings on my toes 🙂
I saw it was reported that GA mistress tried to commit suicide if this is true I can see why. Sleeping with G is one thing but having it known publicly I cant say as I blame her for trying to end it. eeewwww. jmo
On last night NG show, there was mention that Misty had said that her cousin and her brother were in the mobile home when Haleigh went missing, that they were there to steal a gun that Ron owned. When they did not find it, they took Haleigh instead. Now, if this is fact, why isn’s someone under big arrest? The cousin has been a person of interest all along but I do think he might have been partially cleared. Anyone know for sure? This is one dysfunctional family for sure but there is so much junk in the reports on t.v. that it is hard to determine what is and isn’t. We all know that Haleigh is missing but none of us can prove who is responsible for it even though we have our own opinions. I just truly wish there was a discovery of Haleigh to put our minds at rest. It seems impossible for a child to just disappear,especially one with medical problems that demands treatment. This fact alone is what gives me a sinking feeling that she will not be found alive after all this time. I pray that the gut feeling is a wrong one but I doubt it is. Thanks for keeping us abreast of the happenings, we all appreciate the good job you all do.
P.S., I would personally love to see those letters that Princess Casey Marie wrote her cellmates. Bet that is something to behold. Reckon we will get to see them at some time or will that be sealed also? It will be thrown out after Baez whines some more, OH LORD!!!, did I just say after he whines? Just another reason for him to get down on one knee and sing “Mammy” I guess.
Nanna, iirc it was alleged last night on Nancy that Misty wrote that Tommy left, and that Joe took HaLeigh, not both of them.
NannaBee, Joe isn’t under arrest because Misty hasn’t spilled one bit of truth in this entire story. Just because she points her drug infested fingers at certain individuals, does not make them guilty. In fact, le has to be very careful regarding anything Misty says.
Misty’s not going to tell the truth, because Misty does not know how to tell the truth. Misty lies to herself until it sounds like the truth in her head. Same goes for Ron and his sneaky Mom. Everyone of these people involved in Haleigh’s case are liars, imo.
hello to all
Simon,an Jan im looking forward to your show,Sunday.Its been an interesting week.I do thank you for covering Cobras story.An waiting to here from PCSO,if they ever release anything.I will surly try to be here tomorrow for your show.
HI! Simon and Jan, Thank you both soooooooooooo much for keeping us updated. I am looking forward to the mystery panel, along with you both as well. You both are awesome!!
for Wrapitup:
I believe you’re looking for the Steph Watts show “Watts Up With That?” on Sunday 3/28 at 8PM Eastern time.
Hope this helps!
Cobra
I am so glad the charges were dropped, welcome back.
Simon and Jan great update thank you.
I will have to listen to the recorded version as I have to work tomorrow. Thank you Simon and Jan for being there!
Thank you for all your hard work and effort. I appreciate all of you. Blessings!!
CHAD QUESTIONS:
Texasmommy39 said,
in March 27th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
MG knew Chad was not there. I do not believe MG relized he had been seen out pumping gas that early Tue morning…
Texasmommy39, is there a reference online for the “chad was out pumping gas early Tue morning?”
HollysGmom, can you tell me more, or direct me to info, about Chad hiding children, presumably his, before?
THANKS!
misty was setup as a scapegoat for LE’s incompetence..those andy of mayberry morons couldn’t find their own arses with a map.
http://chathousenews.blogspot.com/2010/03/story-of-joy-w.html
Posted on March 1st, 2010 by Simon Barrett in crime
“I also have a pet theory that that they go quiet to see what trees the press can shake and what rotten fruit they can find” Snipped by me for space.
************************************************Good morning, Simon and Jan.
I was wondering if you have taken note of all the rotten fruit that have fallen from those shaken trees since 3/01/10?
I was also wondering if this paticular Show 3/01/10, is why TJ went on holiday from the case?
TJ’s not on “holiday” from reporting on the case.
Can’t wait for the show. THANKS simon & Jan.
P.S. I heart “ojs glove”
Tuff Stuff, I found the article. I sure would not call Dana Treen a “reporter.” She includes so many sweeping generalizations and assumptions she sounds more like a blogger.
But anyway, Ggma Sykes is talking about R as a teen and how he grieved the loss of his step-dad (I guess it was – the man he called “Daddy.”)
Also she clearly says that her impression of M changed in the months after Haleigh’s disappearance.
I’ll post the link in the next comment box so it doesn’t affect this one.
Quote from article:
“Sykes’ first impression of the petite teen came from the children.
“The kids adored her and she seemed to adore them back,” Sykes said. “I mean they’d cry to go back to her.”
Sykes said she saw another side of her grandson’s girlfriend in the months after Haleigh vanished, when Cummings, Croslin and Ronald Jr. moved in with her.
“You can’t threaten her or do anything to her emotionally or mentally that will affect her,” Sykes said. “She doesn’t have the ability.”
Sykes said even repeated interrogations by investigators had little impact.
“When the sheriff’s department was threatening her and doing all their doings and stuff, it didn’t faze her,” she said.
Sykes said Croslin’s childhood may have dulled her emotionally.”
My apologies everyone. I put the two posts above on the wrong article. Please just ignore.
m2c There was no reply in the other thread so just in case you missed it here is my response to your post:
No m2c GGMa stated clearly that Ron was never the same after the GrandFather died.
She also said that Ronald doesn’t want anyone close to him she doesn’t think.
Key word “doesn’t”
She did not say didn’t as in past tense.
As for the rest of what you quoted that she says, well of course she may have felt positive towards Misty at some point but certainly not on Feb 9th as she stated that she was mad because Ronald had allowed Misty to come back but that there was apparently nothing that she could do becuase it was Ron’s house..
Dana Treen is a man, and highly regarded. The audio of him talking to Ron is available online.
Maybe Dana Treen meant the article to be more an op-ed piece and I was expecting a straight news report so that could be one reason I did not think highly of it at first. I’ll read it again with a different perspective.
Sorry, I was late, Tuff Stuff, but I did reply on the other thread.
I was going to ask Jan to remove my comments above since I put them in the wrong place but now that we’ve talked more about it I guess I’ll leave them here. Sorry for that goof.
Kate…I’ve answered your question twice already!!!
I don’t believe that for a second! I was being sarcastic to m2c for her post about FBI only asking 5-10 questions if they investigated HBC and participants.
Maybe my posts are disappearing again, lol
Hi everbody,
Not sure where you all are posting tonight.
Anyway, finally back online. Hopefully I can still get my things off the old pc. Not real good at that kind of thing.
Been trying to check in from time to time wherever I can. Unfortunatly, it doesn’t look like I missed anything significant.
A few weeks back, I kind of felt like maybe something was going to happen, but I don’t see this case going anywhere. I still don’t understand why they’ve never released Ron’s jailhouse tapes. Doesn’t make sense if they released everyone else’s.
Can his attorney keep them from releasing it? I wouldn’t think so, but I’m not that up on all the laws.
Sorry if all this has been discussed. I’m still catching up a little.
Do you mean Putnam County? Ron’s not in the same jail as the others. Some of his were released
Stormgardner!!! Good to see you!
Yes….His undies one was released. His call with the serial killer groupie was the last we’ve heard…..
Sometimes when people communicate their perception of what they had seen or didn’t see in another persons reaction what they are actually saying is the person didn’t react in a way that they think the person should of. There can be motives or agendas that drive the thought process and cause a bias perception. What it comes down to is that it’s not fact it’s merely that persons opinion of another person. Ggma Sykes is not Misty she has no idea what it feels like to be Misty. Ggma Sykes is unable to know what it is like to be Misty in this situation. Ggma Sykes is communicating what she believes should be the reaction in a situation like this. She is not Misty there for what she is saying is that Misty did not react the way Ggma Sykes would, or the way Ggma Sykes thinks Misty should. The only person that Ggma Sykes knows is Ggma Sykes. Just because she knew Misty does mean she knows what it’s like to be Misty. I’m looking forward to Tommy Croslin taking a lie detector test. Hearing it will be carried out by a neutral source is a relief. It’s also suggest to me that what the objective is, is the truth. I hope that is the objective of the tester. I don’t care about past mistakes, Crystal and or her Mother. Everyone has the right to make them and has the right to change their life. They have the right to do it in an environment where they are cared for, where they feel safe, at their own rate of progress, with out Judgement. Should it turn out Tommy Croslin never went there and simply gave a story under the pressure and he wants to change his life he has that right. It is his right to become the Father, the husband and the man he wants to be with out Judgment. It’s Lyndsy right to accept that or decline it in her life with out Judgment, same for the rest of them. I have been floored by the Hate material I have seen on some blogs FB pages-“NG” Art Harris just to name a few. Statements like “WHITE trash, trailer trash, druggie, whore, scum, POS, torture her, burn her, beat her, cut out her female parts and let her rot” and on and on. I have never said any such things towards any human life, and I mean that literally. I can tell some one off but to actually commit violence on another life while not in the situation of self defense I’m just not capable of it, and I never want to be. I’m not impressed with LE either. I do think they are stuck, they are presenting things in a misleading and manipulating way, to what degree I don’t know. For me I have to wait and see the case solved and dealt with by the Justice system. When the right answer comes out and all the right facts then I will have more factual information to determine what went wrong. I’ve heard a lot of these same people say things about God getting the person, well they are wrong. A true believer one capable of what I am not does not do that, in fact if need be they will care for the person and forgive, apparently that is “Godly” All the persons asking or suggesting such violence and hate on another life are anything but Godly and are not being Christian like at all. I don’t care who has done who. I don’t care if they swing from the tree tops in groups doing it. I don’t care who smoked what with whom where and whom did whom and is not telling. All I want is the truth and that person/persons held accountable I don’t care if it’s Santa Claus.
God Bless Haleigh and all her families
DustyRose;
I really liked your post…..so true….so true.
wheres the wrap up thread?
we always have a new thread after a show..
Come on Jannie new thread. Thank you
Off topic here but looks like Steph Watts got himself in a bit of trouble. http://sarstoriesnews.blogspot.com/2010/03/sar-impersonator.html
DustyRose,
Yep, there’s a nasty witch hunt going on out there, with NG & AH as leaders of the pack…i find it quite disturbing too.
I can’t stand reading at other forums for that very reason. BNN has the very best quality of people posting and I’m so glad I found my way here. Thank you Jan & Simon for providing us with this wonderful place to share our thoughts, feelings and opinions about this sad case.
OJ – Do you remember hearing that Jan has not been well? That reporting on these cases is both emotionally and physically taxing?
Maybe you could keep that in mind when you are demanding a totally unnecessary “follow up” article to a radio show for pete’s sake.
THIS article only has 38 comments on it so we DO NOT NEED a new article at all.
Your three to four line – usually critical and/or inane – comments don’t take 1 /100th the effort that Jan puts in and I think you have a heck of a nerve demanding more from her.
HGm @ 7:37pm
Since you repeated your off-base comment here, I’ll repeat my response:
You took one phrase out of a sentence and took that out of a paragraph and took that out of context and are now mis-representing it (apparently something of a habit of yours).
You’re flat-out wrong and insulting on top of it.
Serial killer groupie? Gmab
you seem to have a problem with several
posters m2c♥..Have you thought maybe the problem is you? Now kindly from now on do not respond/read my posts..problem solved.
hey everyone, I haven’t been on much lately as I’m in the process of moving, but I have been trying to keep up on my reading here. I just want to say to m2c…Thank for telling ojs glove what many of us here have held back on for quite some time. kudos to you!
OJ – Actually, no, the problem is with abrasive, rude, unappreciative, and sometimes perverted comments like so many of yours! I’m sure you know that otherwise why would you do it? I’m not the first to point that out or disagree.
Are you saying that you DON’T want the attention they bring? LOL!
Okay. I won’t give it to you.
IF they did really give Misty a LDT I wonder if they asked any questions about Ron? And I wonder if they asked her if Joe was driving the van? And why she didnt call LE right after Joe took her. Well Wed. is pre trial wonder if any news will come out then? jmo bbl
Just for the record, I do not have a problem with m2c.
Just saying.
Tobias we can hope though.
Oh wait though! Give me my dang socks back already! Sheesh!
Well, per AH and NG Misty did flunk another LDT about the letter pointing the finger at Tommy and Joe. I noticed Mark Nejame said she flunked one in his office as well. Why won’t she tell the dang truth already? Is she covering her own behind? Ron’s behind? Afraid of the drug thug? I just don’t see her covering for anyone else! She’s already proven she’ll throw family under the bus!
And Tuff…uh, who has your socks…..and more importantly…WHY do they have your socks? LOL
Also, OJ, the last time you yelled at me, I was supporting your opinion! Just wanted to point that out while we’re on the subject.
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Thank you, Tuff Stuff. For me, too, agreeing on theories and things like that, is NOT a requirement for being able to get along with each other and respect each other.
LOL! And they are thick too JB! LOLOL!
That docket for Tommy on the 10 about his pit bull making noise has anyone ever heard what time the dog was barking? Isnt there a incident report for it? I wonder if thats why LE was out there that night and wonder when it was called in.Lindsy claims they were sound asleep when LE came to their MH. No mention of their dog barking enough to wake people nearby and causing a fine. jmo
JB – I had to sit in my hammock in the dog house and make Tuff Stuff a new pair of socks after I nipped at her heels and put some holes in her old pair.
Tuff Stuff, luckily I used a pair of flip flops to follow the shape of a foot, but (never having knit before) I knitted the socks to them. So you have a brand new pair of “flip flop socks” – PERFECT for when JB leaves puddles! 🙂
Hi, Tobias! I don’t think anyone’s been able to find that police report! And how could T and L be sound asleep if a police car had just visited them? All very mysterious or fishy or something.
Have to go for a while, folks. Hope you have a great afternoon!
Hope they are non slip flip flops for running from a noggin floggin while bloggin? LOL
JB, I think she is definitely protecting Misty/Ron. I think it is best to write it that way because I see more than ever that what Misty wants is Ron. She is sticking with the “official position,” which is to point at Joe and Tommy. She elaborated on it but didn’t change the fundamental story.
WHAT she/Ron have done that needs protection, that’s the big question. Besides inadvertently killing Haleigh and covering it up because it looks too suspicious, for example it was due to giving her too many “downers,” I cannot figure out what it might be….
and would like to explore the possibilities. Although I don’t have any to contribute, other than Ron thought that he was staging an abduction, and I can’t figure why he would do that.
I look at it this way if Ron has an airtight alibi why would he need protection? If the family really didnt like Misty why not say it?
If it was to protect Ron by protecting Misty then she has something that could hurt Ron. What that is is anyones guess. I just wished someone would open their mouths and tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth for once.
In the entire family. jmo
Ron stage an abduction for 14 months without being caught nor Haleigh being found? I can`t see his genious in fooling LE this long when he wasn`t smart enough NOT to get caught up in a drug sting when Misty is the focus of LE`s investigation into Haleigh`s disappearance. That`s only my opinion though!
Atta Boy Ronnieeeee said,in March 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm “…Misty’s not going to tell the truth, because Misty does not know how to tell the truth. Misty lies to herself until it sounds like the truth in her head…”
I think this may be true. Misty may be one of the few people for whom LDT’s are worthless because their perception of the “truth” is totally skewed. They could LDT her until the cows come home and not get any useful results. It will be interesting to see if Tommy is any different. He may have a conscience, so his results may be viable (hopefully).
DustyRose said,in March 28th, 2010 at 9:23 pm “…I’m not impressed with LE either. I do think they are stuck, they are presenting things in a misleading and manipulating way, to what degree I don’t know…”
I’m really starting to be concerned that DustyRose is right and LE is stuck on their analysis of this case. If they are choosing the “facts” to suit what they believe happened and relying on Misty as “the Key”, then they may be missing the boat entirely. I have no doubt that they have worked hard, but there have been quite a few obvious goofups and bizzare incidents. It has really made me wonder if they have been off track since day 1 & I’m starting to think this more & more. Let’s hope I’m wrong about this.
Robin, I think they meant staged the MH to look like it was an abduction after the fact. jmo
tobias, just a little point about Ron’s airtight alibi. Didn’t Ron’s attorney leave open the possiblity that there was a short amount of time (I have no idea how short or long) that Ron was not necessarily definitely at work between 4 pm and 3 am? On an NG show, NG asked Ron’s attorney something along the lines of whether R was verified to be at work 100% of the time and the attorney’s answer was “almost,” which produced a raised eyebrow from the evil NG?
LE has never really said Ron is cleared or not on the list so I can oly guess that the Alibi is not that air tight. In other cases people have been at work and their alibis clear them completely but that hasnt happened here.Why? jmo
Could the two people she talks about be her(the one they love) and Ron (the one they sorta care about)? Hey Chelsea use your head and tell use all what happened. jmo
robin, no, I don’t think he staged an abduction, necessarily.
The things I am trying to fit together are the fight between Joe and Ron over the gun, the recovery of the gun by Misty based on Ron’s remarkable, “go check the culvert” idea, the brick holding open the MH door being described as a Joe B&E m.o., Ron calling Misty’s cell phone excessively during his work shift, Ron making sure his face is on the convenience store surveillance tape on his way home from work, Ron putting the rat in Tommy’s mailbox, Ron telling Misty that Donna Brock is a snitch (or whatever), and Ron telling Misty via the jail house tapes that he was told by LE to tell her he loved her, etc.
I know that each one of these actions can be explained another way but I also think they can build a coherent story. I’m not interested in explaining them another way, at least, not now.
The idea that I am working with is that Ron set Joe up to look guilty OF SOMETHING and then makes sure he himself has a good alibi. Misty knows what the SOMETHING is and is sticking to the party line that Tommy and Joe are guilty. But I don’t know what the SOMETHING could be, besides “an abduction,” because that is what actually happened (hopefully).
tobias, I do not think that Ron is not completely cleared. Besides that little window of not being at work, which I am not sure of, anyhow, I do still think Ron could be guilty of one of two things. One, being part of something that inadvertenlty killed Haleigh or, two, being part of something that was executed while he was at work and he was part of the planning, not the actual execution.
m2c – Hey, you might want to get a patent for your blogger flip flop noggin floggin bloggin puddle proof socks! Those sound pretty cool! LMAO
So how many LDT’s has Misty failed now? Why do they even bother giving her any at this point?
One of my theories long ago was that Tommy and/or Joe were somehow responsible or helped with the “crime”. But now I’m thinking (at least Tommy) is innocent. I think my theory that Misty gave the kids something to make them sleep because Misty and some guy were getting jiggy with it (couch bouncing) may have moved up a notch. Is it possible that Nay Nay’s version of Haleigh OD’d and they disposed of the body actually be true? Then they staged the abduction to cover their tracks and keep Ron off their backs. I guess that is my theory of the day as I still don’t know where Nay Nay was that night, why her car keys were found by Cobra and as far as I know, no one has disproven this theory…or have they?
I am thinking that Tommy’s role may be none or minimal as well. But the rat that Ron put in Tommy’s mailbox seems like a pretty clear “DON’T TALK” signal.
I think the Nay Nay letter version of events makes a lot of sense. Although I do think the search behind the church was fake since no real LE was called to participate and that confuses the issue of Nay Nay’s keys being found.
The other thing about any accidental or intentional death theory is that there it doesn’t explain the Sheffield/Griffis “wierdness.” Sure, no theory has to explain everything, but the better theory is the one that explains more.
Kate…I’m not sure ANYTHING could explain all the weirdness on BOTH sides. NONE of them can tell the truth to save their lives and all seem to have something to hide. One thing that bothered me about Friday’s NG show was that Art said LE was really down (not sure what word was used) about Misty failing the LDT about the letter she wrote. It is almost like they really thought this was going to be the break they needed….which if it is true…means they don’t have SQUAT and are grasping at straws! UGH!
JB, I do have one “crazy idea” that can explain a lot of the wierdness on BOTH sides… Setting that aside because I can’t engage anyone with it :lol:, when Gossip AH said that on the evil NG show, I was really down, too. “Are you kidding me? Care about Misty passing a poly? How about asking some good, hard follow-up questions?” And not just to Misty!!!
I think that was Art that was down, he either thought Misty was going to reveal a real bombshell for him or he thinks she is innocent
Matbe both, I dont think LE was surprised one bit that she was lying, they just wanted more info and for her to let something slip. jmo
tobias, trying to understand what you mean by “innocent.” That she was telling the truth with the Tommy and Joe sotyr, or that she doesn’t have anything more to tell, or that she doesn’t have anything to hide regarding Haleigh, or ? TIA
The really wierd stuff is Chelsea and some of the other Croslins talking to AH and then getting mad at NG. She got most of her info from them via AH.jmo
I’m not sure what to think anymore. I’ve had so many flippin’ theories and one by one they go by the wayside. I AM really starting to see why LE (and others) believe Misty is the key. Whether she did something or just has knowledge of what took place, she is truly the one person that I believe can crack this case open. She is lying….out of loyalty, fear or self preservation….but she KNOWS what happened!
JB, I agree. I also want to hear how Tommy does on his Poly. If he fails then what? Does he know the truth too( rat in the mailbox)?
Mistys parents have both said on video that she knows something and I think if anyone knows Misty it would be her parents. jmo
I have a hard time believing there are no phone calls or visit tapes for Ron and under the sun shine laws they can be released. Why hasnt the media released those? jmo
No one absolutely no one has reported on whether anyone even goes in for visits why?
You would think the media would be there to get an interview with TN or GGMSykes about how Ron is holding up while in jail, something. But there is notta. jmo
Kate w: wth. Ur killin’ me! Ron’s alibi was declared airtight. His atty never said anything to the contrary. Figure out why we aren’t seeing or hearing anything from ron…he’s in protective custody. He is assumedly UC. off the record of course.
ronfan, Please don’t accuse me of killing you! 😆 So, I guess we don’t think the same way…
Ronfan, LE isnt going to tell Rons lawyer what PDM told them and from what has been said PDM is not releasing any info to anyone about it.
The only info Rons lawyer has is his word. JMO
Ronfan, They are all in protective custody. Ron is not a UC, the UC isnt even in jail. Why would LE need a second one let alone Ron who hasnt been cleared? I think its so there is no communication between them or with whoever else may be involved. jmo
UC dont have to worry about snitches that GGMSykes says are in there with him. lol jmo
Should be interesting to see in court the different sentences they get. Misty is in another county with another judge. Ron is in Putnam with a Putnam judge. Wonder if they are going to be vastly different… JMO
Very interesting thoughts Tobias. I agree on a lot of what you said. Unless/until LE releases any more information, well, we just don’t know very many of the facts. I have a bunch of unanswered questions.
PS
(I was gone for a while here trying out my new squeaky socks lol! They work great!)
I think LE may be withholding any Ron info. They don’t HAVE to release any of it. They can just classify it as evidenciary and no one can touch it. And I think they are doing it to keep any info from passing from Ron to Misty or Tommy. They may redact some info from Tommy and Misty but they’re letting enough get through to keep the pressure on them from the media….the more pressure they are under the sooner they will crack…..or at least LE is hoping.
Tuff, speaking of foot wear I wonder if that could be some of the evidence? Mistys shoes, could they have signs of being outside? like fresh mud or dew on them and she told LE she didnt go out side. Just thinking of possible evidence they may have. jmo
I do know they took Ron and Mistys clothes right down to the underwear in as evidence.
That came out in the very first news clip. jmo
On the show Cobra talked about goingthrough OJs trash and how he got clues from the trash. Just hypothetic here but I also remember him stating going through Rons trash and the different brands of beer and the torn jeans of Mistys being in there. I wonder if LE or Cobra found other inteesting trash that we dont know about? Something to think about anyways. Since things are so quiet now. jmo
Kate W. said,in March 29th, 2010 at 1:20 pm I am thinking that Tommy’s role may be none or minimal as well. But the rat that Ron put in Tommy’s mailbox seems like a pretty clear “DON’T TALK” signal.
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We don’t know if Ron put a rat in the mailbox….just an allegation by Tommy and Ron was never charged, so I assume LE didn’t believe it.
Re the LDT, we don’t know that she’s had another….personally I don’t think AH is at all reliable and is obviously interested in keeping the focus off the other side of the family.
And Nay Nay didn’t give a version of events involving an od….an inmate did….and LE apparently asked her about that inmate’s letter.
me – I would think it would be hard to prove who put the rat in Tommy’s mailbox….hard to get fingerprints off a rat and all….but Ron certainly comes to mind. True…no proof…but plenty of suspicion.
I would think with Misty’s letter detailing her account of the events that night that LE would have given her another LDT to verify the info in the letter. That only makes sense. True, once again we have no proof but I can’t imagine them not giving her one and going on a wild goose chase without doing one.
PotAto, PoTAUto…..it is still the story about Nay Nay and Misty being at a party and Haleigh OD’ing…..picky picky! LOL
Hi, Folks! Just back for a bit and read a little.
It’s been mentioned before that LDT’s are unreliable. I really hope that LE is not RELYING on anyone’s LDT to really get to the truth of the matter – most especially Misty.
Long ago when she mentioned T and Joe, it was her “idea” that it could be them. If she is saying for sure that she KNOWS it is one or both of them or someone else now, I’d hope that first they’d ask HOW she knows. Was she there? Did she see it happen? What else does she know about it? And LE should haul in whoever she’s talking about for a nice interview, too. And look for some evidence.
For one reason, what if M is telling the truth about it, but the LDT isn’t reflecting that?
What if she’s telling the truth but all she knows is that she saw X take Haleigh? How is she going to provide proof of that? The LDT is not the holy grail by a long shot. There are other things LE could do to try to verify or follow up. Depending solely on the LDT is ridiculous. JMO
tobias said,
in March 29th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
LE has never really said Ron is cleared or not on the list so I can oly guess that the Alibi is not that air tight. In other cases people have been at work and their alibis clear them completely but that hasnt happened here.Why? jmo
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guess the same reason Crystal’s and the rest of her family hasn’t been cleared either.
Vaq, Very true. No one has been cleared according to LE. JMO
JB said,in March 29th, 2010 at 3:44 pm me – I would think it would be hard to prove who put the rat in Tommy’s mailbox….hard to get fingerprints off a rat and all….but Ron certainly comes to mind. True…no proof…but plenty of suspicion.
I would think with Misty’s letter detailing her account of the events that night that LE would have given her another LDT to verify the info in the letter. That only makes sense. True, once again we have no proof but I can’t imagine them not giving her one and going on a wild goose chase without doing one.
PotAto, PoTAUto…..it is still the story about Nay Nay and Misty being at a party and Haleigh OD’ing…..picky picky! LOL
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Re the rat….I think it more likely Tommy put it there than Ron. I wouldn’t believe a word Tommy says.
What letter? I’ve not seen a letter. AH is the only source for that, and unless/until I hear it from someone reliable, it means nothing to me.
Yep, but the story didn’t come from Nay Nay…it came from a jailbird. Nay Nay clearly denies it.
As for “Misty is the key”, imo, that is pathetic and sad. LE should be the key to solving this case, and they shouldn’t be relying on a teenager, who may or may not have been involved, to solve it for them. It’s no wonder this case has gone nowhere with that attitude.
Let’s look at it the other way around for a minute. What if M took an LDT and it showed “truth” when she said T and/or Joe took Haleigh?
What would happen?
LE has already talked to them. T and Joe got thru that without being arrested. And they cannot be forced to take a poly. So what then?
Stalemate.
And given LE’s standard operating procedure, they’ll blame all that on M, too. IMO
I don’t buy the rat story.
me – So now the Nay Nay letter doesn’t exist? So the one posted on AH’s site isn’t real? Looks real to me. I do believe she was told that by LE and it is a very possible scenario. The letter Nay Nay wrote to Donnie seems legit to me. I have no reason to believe that wasn’t her that wrote it and that LE didn’t interrogate her with this scenario.
As far as LE relying on a teenager….what exactly do you want them to do? She WAS the last person to see Haleigh. Her story has changed more times than her socks. She’s a known druggie. She can’t pass a LDT. Her words and actions since Haleigh’s disappearance don’t seem quite right and more often then not seem very WRONG! So WHY wouldn’t LE be focusing on the last person to see Haleigh? What do you want them to do? None of these people tell the truth about anything! The people who were SUPPOSED to love Haleigh the most have done nothing but lead LE on a wild goose chase since day one. NONE of them have been forthcoming. ALL of them have been engaged in criminal activity (BOTH SIDES). We DON’T know what LE has in the way of evidence but you can bet your sweet bippy it is more than we know about. So you tell me…if YOU were the investigator…what would YOU do?
m2c….I totally agree.
Plus, if they’ve relied on “Misty being the key”, they’re in big trouble no matter what. Her credibility is now shot, and they’ve shot themselves in the foot by charging her with drug offences. Any decent criminal defence lawyer will be able to destroy her testimony, as she is now a person facing charges and has a motive to lie to get her sentence reduced.
So sad. I have a bad feeling PCSO wont’ be solving this case. I wish they’d bring in a fresh team of investigators, as this group has seriously failed from what I can see.
JB,
I never said the Nay Nay letter doesn’t exist. What I said was that it wasn’t her version of events….she was just relaying what a jailbird had told LE. Second or third hand hearsay….and she denied what the jailbird said in any event.
LE can’t rely on people confessing to crimes to solve those crimes. They were able to charge Drew & Scott Peterson….those LE didn’t use the fact that Drew & Scott didn’t confess as an excuse for not charging them. Also, see my post above which is relevant on this point.
It’s LE’s job to investigate and solve the crime, not Misty’s.
If I was LE and Misty went from one week knowing NOTHING to “okay, I’m going to tell you all I know” AFTER changing her story 50 times I think I’d start with a LDT too! Ask her detailed questions about this letter to see if they can detect any shred of truth in ANY of the details so they at least know where to begin. Doesn’t mean they won’t follow-up on all the facts she’s given but at least this way they know where to start. Dang, LE can’t win. No matter what they do, they are in the dog house (where I stay these days). The people you SHOULD be angry with are the incompetent, self-serving, drug infested, violent, thieving, self-absorbed, steal the shirt off your back criminals Haleigh was unfortunate enough to call family. THEY are the ones that have thrown road block after road block in LE’s way. They have turned a missing child case into a never ending cheap third rate circus side-show. Why are the people that are TRYING to get to the bottom of this mess the bad guys and these criminal maggots cut all the slack? I don’t get it. Don’t get it at all. I’m going to the dog house…..I feel a case of rabies coming on again.
me – you said “What letter? I’ve not seen a letter. AH is the only source for that, and unless/until I hear it from someone reliable, it means nothing to me.”
And then you turn around and say “I never said the Nay Nay letter doesn’t exist.” HUH?
Yup, going to the dog house and calling the vet…I think I need another rabies vacination with a side of distemper and deworming…UGH!
I was talking about the Misty letter….we’ve all seen the other one, but not the new Misty one.
I’ve gotta run….bbl. LOL. Stay away from unnecessary rabies shots….just had a kitty have to have a bump removed from one and about to take him to the vet to get his stitches out!
Two things make me think that LE believes that M left the mh that night. One is what LE said in an early press conference – asking that anyone who knows about M’s activities that night, speak up. And, two, the letter from NayNay. If I remember correctly NayNay said that LE told her that some guy (joe patitko or someone?) told them that M had been at a party and Haleigh had OD’d or something.
Maybe that guy did say that. Or LE made it up and told NayNay that to try to get her to admit that M had been out partying (if she knew).
Just thoughts. But what if the LDT “bell” rang “true” if M said, “Yes I went out that night.” If Haleigh was gone when she got back we are no further along. However, if she says “I took the children with me” then it’s a different story.
I guess I’m trying to figure out what LE is trying to get at.
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M – hope kitty is okay!
If she left the children at home
Sorry for the seven word typo above. Please ignore.
JB, you can use my hammock if you want but NO PUDDLES! LOL! If that hammock is damp the next time I need it, you are REALLY going to be in the dog house!
Sorry I had to hit & run last night. Sorry I missed you guys. Thanks for answering my questions. I guess I was under the impression Ron was moved back to Putnam Co. I wouldn’t think it would matter unless because it’s an ongoing investigation. You would think we would have heard something about Ron. Probably best for him. His attitude doesn’t come off well to some. Of course, how would any of us act in his situation. Sorry, I can’t bad mouth the man until I know more about what happened. I would be surprised if he didn’t get visits from his Mother. That side seems to be keeping their mouth shut.
I pray for Haleigh every day. I have to include the family in my prayers. I hope none of us ever have to endure what they are going through.
stormgardner said, “I pray for Haleigh every day. I have to include the family in my prayers. I hope none of us ever have to endure what they are going through.”
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Amen and God Bless.
m2c,
It is true that Joe Pytko did sign an sworn affidavit stating that he witnessed Haleigh overdosing at a party and that WBG threw her into a bag then into Nay Nay’s car and finally into the Mondex pond. You can google his name and the words affidavit and it should come up. I thought for sure this was the truth since this was supposed to be a promise of the truth but people around that know him say his word is unreliable, kind of like the rest of them. Who knows if it is true, but you gotta wonder why would someone make that up?
Anybody up for contacting Joe Pytko (Psycho?)?
I have taken a LDT and I failed. I was the victim of a crime (robbery with a knife) and by the time I was interrogated I felt like a criminal, so I know failing a LDT does not mean squat. I guarantee with the pressure they have put on M she will “fail” miserably” every time. Believe me I know, even if she is 100% innocent!
It has been several yrs back but I was working at a convenience store (midnight shift. The perp was the bf of the employee I relieved. I failed because I had a “feeling” that I know who did it (not positive). but it showed deception. The police made me apprehensive before the test and it showe during the results. Thankfully, the guy was caught and killed by cops in another state, but not before they made my life a living hell. Scared and paranoid that the perp would come finish the job! So I know how Misty can fail, even when she might be tellin the truth.
robin, what you had to go through, I have been there,too. I was working for a YMCA and a little girl drowned. I didn’t have to do a poly, “just” a deposition. The attorney made me feel ridiculous and inadequate, I would have failed a polygraph, no question. Now I have earned a graduate degree and understand so much more. I have sympathy for Misty but find it hard to endure the choices she is making.
Hi Peeps ,I wonder what would be M gain in taking 3 Ldt, a voice test,an trying Hypnosis. If she knew she was lieing.All she had to do was refuse the test.So why would she do this? Could they have really planned to steal Rons gun to swap for dope.An Misty may not have been home,an this is what she believed happened.She loves her mom,an dad,i just dont see her throwing someone under the bus,an hurt them more,if she thought she couldnt prove it,by taking the test.
Whatever the deception…there’s deception on Misty’s part…The next question is WHY?
As we sit here tonight how many of us think Tommy may have been the one that did it? I am going to admit, I believe it is a big possibility!
M2c,i have thought about that,it could have just been released she failed.The silence could be because they are working on getting at those 2.They will work towards T LDT. The Cousin will be hard to get to,he has a Lawyer now.So he could be questioned,again(interrigated) But Lawyer may be present.so thats going to be the hard part getting anwsers.An if it happened lke she said ,or she thinks it happened like that.
The main thing either way is hoping PCSO is doing their job. But J Lawyer i doupt will let him take a test.I will say one thing.The family visits ,even if recorded.The Anthonys havent been to see theirs sence the beginning.An the Cummings Croslin side arnt running out to make money on media shows no matter how broke they may be. They just are concerned about Haliegh,an their children.Putting all the storys aside,an drug issues,That tells me a lot about them,verses the Anthonys.
Robin i also failed a LDT,an i was being truthful.It wasnt due to a crime.But think if it had been.Your experence was very scary im sure.I was under great emotional stress,H B pressure I still deal with stress issues today.Look how stressed Cobra was when he went through what he did.Anyway I later repeated the test an passed. WUWT? I dont trust them at all.when it comes to something as serious as a child being found,an the Person taking it,their life could be at stake.They could face death for this crime.An they counld be innocent.((Scary isnt it))I wouldnt want to use this as a tool.As they have been unrelible before.
I’ve been thinking about Misty taking another LDT, too. Seems like the point a lot of the time is public perception. If Misty had passed, maybe they could consider using her testimony in court at some point?
With M`s many failed LDTs, is that the reason LE keeps the focus on her? If so (and with the unreliability of said tests) then IMO I would have to agree with OJ`s Glove with their ineptitude. Its time to past the torch and get down to some “real” investigating.
Hey, has any one thought back when the dumpster was hit on by cadaver dogs? There must have been something in there. LE just brushed it off after taking everything out. But if it had been used that day by someone like those construction workers, one of them may have still had the sent of a dead body. Maybe Haleighs. What do you think about a worker seeing H>C> playing daily, and just waited for the right time to strike!!!!!
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