I know that my stories about people throwing themselves and their family members under the proverbial bus are likely grating on a few readers. Well folks, its another bus story! Alas the room under the bus seems endless. It is not just the family members, everyone remotely involved seems to have a reservation. I spend time there, TJ Hart has been known a quick nap, Art Harris is acutely aware of the underside of this bus. Nancy Grace knows the accommodations better than her own house! Touch the Haleigh Cummings story, touch trouble! I have made some great friends, and great enemies as a result of reporting on this story. One of the friends is without doubt Bill, or as he known to you, Cobra. Yes he is a little rough around the edges, but who isn’t? He is welcome in my house any day!
I have not edited, or otherwise fiddled with his comments.
I was disappointed, and disturbed when Bill seemed to be on the receiving end. He has a 9am court appearance tomorrow. It is easy to make judgment, I however prefer to take everything into account. With Bill’s permission I publish his statement:
To clear up part of the story, the Putnam County Sheriffs office is not after me, they never were. An complaint was filed by a person on bond that stated he was falsely imprisoned by me and the investigation began. Of course the company that handed me the paper work said they never told me to pick the guy up and the insurance representatives said they never told me to pick the guy up. So the police turned the case over to the prosecute to see what if any laws were broken. It was sent back and not filed.
Some two months later, it was refilled and this time a warrant was issued for my arrest. I turned myself in and now an attending court as directed by the judge.
Now to understand the motives behind this, we must look at the accusers, for lack of the proper words to call them. The first is the office of Chucks Bail bonds where sits most of the time, convicted sexual predator Chuck Ingram with his wife and writing agent dale Ingram. We shot a good deal of film on them and they know what will happen if that film reaches the State of Florida.
The second player in this is Bail agent 328 or better know as Ronald Ruteicicz who was quick to give a sworn statement to the police and then gone on at least one radio show and countless blogs offering his eye witness account of the happening’s. He promptly stopped once he found out that I knew he perjured himself and did so on a show just like this, in fact this one. It turns out that every word he said on the scene was captured by my silent witness and he even knew we were filming as he said I instructed someone via telephone to erase the tapes. No one erased the tapes, sorry Ronald. He made a false swearing to the police and that is enough to loose his license.
So there are two companies that if the state up holds the administrative rule, they are out of business. Now where where we, oh yes, now the next person is Roger Capener who happens to be the general Agent for Chucks Bail Bond and for several other agents across Florida. Another agent he is directly involved with is Joe Huston, aka Teflon Joe or honey bun man. Joe is a good guy and for over ten years or so I have brought back fugitives for him. Since this case begun, we have located a few fugitives for the exact same bunch after me, as an investigator and under radar, I was responsible for locating some 40 to 50 thousand dollars in skips, for the meager pay of 400.00. Now if I had my license, the pay would have been closer to 4000.00 dollars. Anyway this Roger guy already has his hands full with Joe as one of Joe’s charges is having a convicted felon in one of his offices. And who gives the paper to Joe to write? Who is the responsible party? Yep Roger Capener. So he has two convicted persons in his agents offices.
Now I know a lot of the shaky business that this crew has done in other counties such as collier and lee and a few others. Any time an agent such me or Joe charged with a crime, the state suspends the agent and conducts their own investigation. Now here I am on the inside and have the potential to interrupt a 20 to 50 million dollar enterprise….wonder what would motivate Rogers testimony? Now that is just 20 to 50 million in bonds per year with one agent, he has control over a bunch more.
Now if you must protect someone, they would protect an agent bringing that volume in and a guy like me who does not bring in work, but rather brings back the defendant, I am kinda of a negative cost to them and not worth saving as like he said I am a loose canon, so I better not be able to testify, huh?
As to C. E. Parish the partner or boss to Roger, he must ride along. He had to protect that crew as it would have negative results if not. Oh yea, I do agree with one of CE’s statements, “this has been a big misunderstanding with all this communication going on.” that can be found on the you-tube video. The silent witness tapes have not been released yet, oh but when they are, that should about end the lies and deception.
I have made my self ready to testify against them at the state level as the administrative rule is that they could all loose their bail bond license, and they should. We are incuraging all the counties prosecutors and the state to look a lot closer into the activities of these folks. It ain’t about a few hundred hony buns any more.
The ironic thing is Simon, I never would have said anything as those crimes were not any of my business. Now they are!
Ok, if I have not lost you so far, How did this get to this stage in Putnam as the Bond company cannot make charges or arrest me… Well that is where it gets real interesting. Remember the prosecutor did not file on the first go round as I had not begun to formaly investigate Crystal and her family yet. When I did I was told by relatives of Crystal that the child Haleigh may not belong to Ronald but rather her high school sweetheart Robbie Middleton.
I was told by family members where I could locate Mr. Middleton and found that he had a brother in the prosecutors office, none other that Chris Middleton who is an investigator for the prosecutor and also one of the four gentlemen I met at the Bi-Lo store to discuss files that I had on several people. Sometimes, you just got to know who is connected to who, otherwise you can piss of the wrong folks.
Was this a rush to prosecution? I don’t know all the answers yet, but it sure makes for an interesting case. I suggest some of the other prosecutors look into the activities of the bail bond folks and maybe they will find the truth, I mean, that is what they do right?
How about that?
UPDATE: 9:15 Oct.12 I just got off the phone with Cobra, he drove all the way to Putnam County for a 5 minute court session. The trial date has been set for December/14.It was also announced that they are bringing in a ‘special prosecutor’, not surehow to interpret that aspect -Simon
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackSimon, you are so good, thank you for printing this. Yes, Cobra, is a little rough around the edges, but HE IS REAL. My husband & I both say if we are ever in need, we want him in our corner. He cares and we know he would REALLY look for our loved one. It makes us sick that he is in trouble for caring and pushing to find Haleigh. He is in our heart and prayers. Treece
Cobra,
I applaud you! As I have said for months, I have felt that there was some corruption behind this issue and charges and some people started to fear….”The truth knows no fear”, right Cobra?
Once they started to fear, they decided to take action. This will all come out. It was so obvious too! It’s scary how many people seem to want us all to just shut up and go away. I mean really scary. There really are those who want this to become a cold case file on a shelf somewhere so everyone else can get back to thier “normal lives”. Not just Misty, there are many more.
The people who are working to solve this case keep getting attacked personally and professionally. It’s crazy! Who does this to people who are trying to find a missing little girl?
I think the public at large need to realize that there really are cold hearted, totally self-serving people, possibly in thier own neighborhoods, who can and will do terrible things to a child, even murder and not think twice about doing anything they can to get away with it, or help a loved one get away with it. There really are. I have been told by several medical professionals that both my brother and I were lucky to have survived our extreme abuse. Many children who suffer much less severity die at thier care-givers hands. It’s hard to not see the potential for that senario within this case once you’ve lived it. Not all of these people who’ve killed thier children meant to do it, sometimes it’s a slap that lands them against the edge of a coffee table with thier temple. Other times it’s broken ribs and a punctured lung that it’s noticed before bedtime. There are any number of senarios. The most telling detail for me is the slap Misty gave Jr in the van at the bus stop and Crystal’s claims of domestic violece by Ronald. Add in the drugs and alcohol you’ve got a perfect combination for disaster.
However, what does Crystal have to hide for Cobra to be so attacked by looking into her and her side of this case? How much truth is there to the theory that Crystal has everything to gain from Haleigh “going away with family or friend” until Ron is implicated or self-destructs, then Haleigh is “found” and returned to Crystal along with Jr. I’m not sure who I think should raise those two kids. Everyone seems inept at putting Haleigh FIRST! That’s my B*tch, that’s my complaint! Which one of them, any of them, as put her first? The Gmoms are busy covering the parents, they parents are busy covering for themselves and/or spouses/fiance’, PC LE covering for themselves and others, the list goes on and on.
Hollys GMom, I didn’t know you had been abused, I am so sorry. I hope you have healed up, inside. Was this by your parents? How is your brother?
I agree this situation with Cobra is scary and he is in my prayers.
I don’t know it that is true that Misty slapped Junior. There is such a conflict in that statement. A couple of the ones at the bus stop told that happened the afternoon before Haleigh went missing that night. Others and Ronald and Misty all say Ronald picked Haleigh up at the bus stop that day. So someone is lying. If Misty did that then Ronald is lying too by saying he picked up Haleigh. We just don’t know the truth. treece
”The truth knows no fear” Go Cobra. i really hope all is straightened out for you as soon as possible.
So is Ronald the father of Haleigh? Didn’t LE perform a DNA test on both parents… and what does Ronald say about Crystal’s ex ?
Never mind… since Ronald still proclaims HaLeigh as his daughter, I think I just answered my own questions.
Forgive me, I am a little out of it at the moment.. recuperating from health issues!!
Treece;
Thank you for your kind words. To answer your question about healing, I’d like to say yes. At least I’ve come a long way. I still have some residual issues but for the most part have overcome the past. My brother as well. It has been a long road but dealing with the issues rather than hide behind alcohol and drugs has been worth it many times over.
The abuse was at the hands of my father and step-mother. Our father had stolen us from our mother by beating her and nearly killing her. He took us over 1000 miles away to his new wife’s house. I was 29 months old, my brother as almost 4. The abuse started immidiately. If you’ve ever read Dave Peltzer’s “A boy called it”, I’ve been told our story is much on par with his. I have been contemplating for years about writing a book about it. If I could help people the way Mr Pletzer has, it would be worth the effort.
You are correct, in that we don’t really know who picked Haleigh up that day or when and if the neighbors saw that behavior. It isn’t hard for me to image though. I’ve seen some appalling behavior out of people much like the players in this case.
Hollys Gmom, thank you for sharing that, I would love for you to write a book. If you ever do it may complete your healing. How long did he have you before you got back to your mom? Why did he take you just to have you to abuse? Did he ever get punished for that?
I too, have seen some appalling behavior out of these type situations and I guess that is why I am soft to Misty, she seems like a victim here, too.
Our Mother located us about 18 months later. Our biirthdays had been changed by 1 day. That way if she called an agency to look for two kids DOB blah blah blah, and they don’t have any kids with that date…..
I have been told that it is surmized that we were taken to be living slaves. Housekeeping, whiping post, sexual play thing. Whatever they decided they wanted to do at any moment. I reported them to a teacher, no help. Then a friends parents, was forced to say I was a lair, beaten and no longer had my friend. I told another family friend who cried and said she wished she could help, told an aunt on my fathers side and was ridiculed since that was appropriate behavior (physical beatings). Our mother finally found us, I think she used a PI. The HRS/ DCFS system in those days (71-80)
was non-existant. They may have even been investigated, but we were too terrified to tell. We had told before and nearly died from the beatings that would follow. My dad was ex-military. He studied brain-wshing and mind-control techniques as a hobby. He loved to used deprivation to control us on many levels.
Anyway she found us and we were allowed to see her for 2 hours and we weren’t allowed to cry at any time not even when she left. We certainly better not tell anything to her about what was really going on. Immediately we were wisked from Idaho to S FL. Stayed there 2 yrs then back to ID. By then our Mother was a crushed soul. She lost her ability to fight. I finally escaped living with a monster at 17. I was in denial for many years and allowed further emotional abuses for years before we were strong enough to vonfront him. 2 yrs later he died on the stem of a crack pipe. So when I say I know druggie type people trust me. It’s a family curse for so many.
I’ve probably been too open here, but that’s just me. I’m really an open book, LOL
Also, food for thought…..
You only have to beat a child severly one time for them to fear you like you’re the Devil himself.
If you beat a child like that you are the devil. I am so sorry you suffered like that but so glad you were strong enough to survive and healed enough to share it. I have heard we are only as sick as our secrets. I believe there is truth in that. Just admitting our abuse starts a healing. HollysGmom, Holly is blessed to have you. I will pray for you. Thanks again, Treece
PS I just ordered that book.
Part of the heinousness of the situation and what breaks so many people is the dicotomy. The duality of your life. Having to protray to the outside world that all is ok, you’re family loves you. It is demanded! While knowing isndie that they must hate you for the things that they do. Surely you must be the worst type of scum, exactly what they say you are. Then wake up everyday and tell you’re self it didn’t happen, it was a nightmare, you can forget and act like you’re just an ordinary kid. Make everyone believe it. That’s how you learn to lie. You have to to survie, even to the point of lying to yourself about what you KNOW happened but want to pretend it didn’t. You can make yourself believe it.
They say that abuse, especially severe abuse at the hands of your parent(s) the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder that results is as severe as POWs. The reason is the POWs have no problem hating thier enemy and capture. Children are not that able to make that distinction about thier parent(s) especially if they are thier primary care giver.
It is a tear jerker! It can be triggering if you have any issues of your own, so take it slow if you must. It’s alot to take in and is a true story. He also wrote 2 more books in the series. Then follwed up with another about how people can help themselves. Very inspirational story. You will hardly believe it. His abuse also happen by a blood related parent, his birth mother.
Pedophiles might pay for thier sins a few months or years…thier victims suffer and are changed forever for the rest of thier lives.
I also think it is worse because “parents” are suppose to love you, nurture you, protect you. When they abuse you, you internalize it that you must be really bad for them to do that to you. A POW suffers terribly but they know that is the enemy. The enemy is evil, it is not that they must have caused this or deserve it.
Plus I think sexual abuse is blocked out of a lot of us because our minds at a young age aren’t capable of figuring it out, of digesting what is happening. In some cases I think kids that aren’t able to block it out develop multiples in order to separate themselves from the abuse.
Hi my name is Nikki and I live in Colorado. I have been keeping up on the haleigh cummings case since day one and a lot of times I find this forum on the internet under her name. This is real interesting to read and I just have a few questions. (1) who is simon? I see that he is obviously the creater of this webpage but what does he do, where does he come from. I pray for little haleigh everyday and im glad to see a website like this who keep tabs on her and I want to become a part of it but I would like to understand what it is. Thanks and keep Haleigh in the spotlight.
Thanks for sharing and for the notice about the triggers. I am sure I need to take it slow. You are a special lady, I am sure you have used your pain to encourage others before. Bless you.
I was researching some statittics on sexual abuse and how it may pertain to Misty. Much of the info at this link pertains to her and her life thus far.
http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm#Impact
I want Misty to deal with some of this stuff and realize she needs to come clean about just what it is she really does know. I understand that she may have reasons for things she’s done in her past and she needs to know that we do care that she has been or is a victim too. She has been a victim of several people, men. They all should have to answer for sex with a minor! WBG, RC, TC, and any other adult male that has had a sexual relationship with this youg girl. Some things that have happened lately will only impact her badly. The link will explain more. She’s also been raised to fear the LE. Thier parents mistrust and fear of LE was passed on.
nikki, Simon & his wife Jan are writers and reporters on BNN. They are both loving, caring people that pour their lives into keeping these kids name in the news. I suggest listening to their radio shows on Sundays to get to know them. It will be a treat. I only know them from this blog but have grown to respect them and value them as friends. Treece
I’m not excusing Misty for anything, just may have some insight into what the hold up may be, I guess.
I have felt like I have seen fear in her eyes before.
My friend and I were watching To Catch a Predator while I have been writing. The set up was this:
a 13 yr old girl then a 13 yr old boy decoy for part of the show. They were located in California and about 20 MEN showed up after talking sex and some sending the “13 yr old” pictures of thier gentialia. The men show up at a house, the decoy invites them in then disappeares and out comes Chris Hansen. They’re “interviewed” about what they are doing, why they came, what they were thinking and 75% of them have seen the show, know the risks, and came anyway. Once they walk out the door they are arrested and booked. This happens week after week, all over the counrty. But what killed me was the stats they were running during the end credits. Of all the men arrested the most time any on of them did was 3 MONTHS with 3 yrs probabtion. Some didn’t even get jail time, just probation and he also had child porn!? WTH???
Another episode just came on and this time 29 men showed up.
Sorry Simon and Jan. I didn’t mean to monoploize your comments section. Sorry to be Off Topic, LOL
I agree, WTH, that is pathetic. I don’t understand that either because psychiatrist say that is one sickness that is NEVER cured. A pervert is a pervert is a pervert FOREVER but they slap their hands and send them back to ruin another child’s life. To me this is right up there close to murder. It is disgusting but liberal America has gotten softer on this every generation.
Here’s what we all can do to help this appaling situation.
http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/contact.htm
Excellent information on how to become pro-active in the fight againts child abuse of all kinds.
is it true misty is posing for hustler magazine on her 18th birthday?
I read it on simon’s chatroom.
I have been wondering what is going on in Satsuma. Maybe, we may start finding out. Why are drug addicts taking over the place? Look at the legally blind man who had his gun stolen. He is scared, sitting in the house with a bigger gun to protect himself. The place is so small, and LE seems able to get rid of people they don’t want in their town. So why can’t they clean that town up? I don’t understand. Is it all political, and who you are related to in that town? Before all of this is over, we may find out. LE knows where the drug houses are. So why aren’t they stopping alot of that drug mess?
Cobra’s tears can cure cancer…too bad Cobra don’t cry!
Cobra good luck with everything..god knows you deserve it brother.
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Some people don’t understand how changeable abusive parents can be. They can be loving one moment and lose their temper and hit a child too hard, the next, or something much worse. Some parents love their children, but neglect them. People who had loving parents tend to think all children have loving parents, and that’s not true.
Like I have mentioned in the past, my own County Sherriff was indicted on money kick-back schemes and would have been indicted on much more if they had more evidence. I mentioned on this blog before about asking the FBI that is investigation the corruption here to take a closer look into Putnam county. The last time I made that allegation it wasn’t log before the case started to move again. Not saying just cause of what I said, but it may have been something they were considering.
Within days of Sherriff Morris’ arrest there was a meth lab take down literally across the street from the county sherriff’s office. I’m not joking. The meth makers ran thier gig there for over 2 yrs without detection….if you can believe that. Personally I don’t buy that it was unknown to them, but that is just me.
Right this second I have only one word. “Wow”
I really have been trying to keep up with this case, but I definitely need to rethink some things here. I just care about what happened to Haleigh. I don’t claim to be an investigator (although my friends told me I’d missed my calling when I was trying to catch my no good cheating husband several years ago, Lol)
I now understand some of the statements that have been made.
Cobra, I know you are no wuss, I knew that the first time I saw you in action down there. You might come in like a bull in china shop, but you sure rattled some cages in doing so. Those folks would like to see you get out of Dodge and never come back. I think you need to watch your back down there. Be careful.
I didn’t realize it would open such a can of worms to investigate into Crystal’s family.
Who are all these people trying to protect anyway?
Certainly not Haleigh!
I didn’t think Ron had anything to do with Haleigh’s disappearance. I’m still not sure if or what part he may have played. One thing I still believe is that Misty is still the key player. A lot of people are portraying Misty as the victim because she is 17 and has had a bad childhood. Hell a lot of us had a bad childhood. That is no excuse for her behavior. I had a pretty bad childhood at an early age too, but by the grace of God I had a wonderful Aunt that stepped in and made sure I was taken care of. We were poor, but she showed me what family was all about. I was a Mother at 17, and yes, I was immature, but I had to learn to step up to the plate and put my child first.
I’m, getting tired and starting to get off track here. They are stating that this is no stranger abduction, so what exactly happened to this child? I’ve been hearing some say accidental overdose. If this is so, I can’t see Haleigh getting into the drugs on her own. Unless it was something that tasted good. How many meds taste good? Unless it’s some kind of cough syrup. Has anyone checked to see if anyone had an rx filled for cough medicine?
I’m still on the fence about Tommy. It would make sense for him to go and check the MH and see what was going on. I’m still doubting Misty’s story about being home as well. Just say she was passed out and didn’t hear the knock at the door, wouldn’t one of the kids hear it? I’m sorry. I would like to think this child is alive and well, at this point, it’s not looking good. I know you are all wanting to look for a live Haleigh, but the longer this goes on, it’s not looking good for this little girl.
Let’s just hope someone starts talking soon. There’s still plenty of room under the bus.
I’ll try touching on this more tomorrow when I can think more clearly.
Good luck tomorrow Cobra
Best of Luck tomorrow Cobra..I wish these people would work with you instead of against you..
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Hello All, I’ve followed this Simon site for many months now and have kept up on the Anthony’s and Haleigh delima, yet this is the first time I’ve posted. I appreciate all of you who have made the effort to help keep little Haleigh’s name active since she just about became a forgotten child by the media a few months back. I’ve said from the beginning that the reason these low lifes won’t tell the truth is to protect themselves. They are more worried about the law finding out about their drug dealings and usage with each other. And I believe that the divorce stems more from Ronald finding out that Misty cheated on him, than him thinking she knows what happened.
This opens a whole new can of worms in Haleigh’s disappearnce. Doesn’t it? Well, I am beginning to wonder if this case will ever get solved. Maybe some of the higher-ups in Satsuma doesn’t want it solved, and maybe, all of this cover-up in Satsuma is why LE won’t let anything at all out. I have thought that all of this not telling the public anything at all was really strange. Just like what happened to Cobra was really strange.
Cobra: I hope you blow the lid of that town!
If Haleigh was at that party, and they were snorting cocaine. She could have tried what she saw the adults doing and sniffed some of that stuff.
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Welcome to Simon’s Comment Board. Hope to chat with you. I “hop” on every now and then.
I guess you are aware of Simon’s Radio Talk Show every Sunday at 3 p.m. CDT. It is usually informative and can get very lively!
Yesterday, during the show.. Cobra made a comment about Sarah Sheffield being held in Jacksonville, was she arrested? What was she arrested for? And what in the world did Johnny aka Marty tell Cobra about Sarah? Somehow, I must have missed something? Cobra will do fine in court this morning.. He seems to have all of his ducks in a row..
Go Cobra! From just one of your number one fans!
In Misty’s defense, if she is in need of it and is in a situation of an abused woman….
She may not have any one she can turn to, she may be hearing that she will be found and “brought back home” no matter where she goes, she may be living in constant fear of reprimand if she speaks. She has already stated that she is willing to die for Haleigh, but death can be the easy way out. If she is being abused and being threatened, death would not be the threat – pain and suffering would be. Perhaps pointing the finger at her husband’s family is a sign that it is not in that family, but a way to get they to investigate further, hoping that they will find a lead to the real culprits, and that she would not be punished by the ones at fault.
Having been in an isolated abusive relationship, she does so well fit that role, and her actions also speak loudly toward that.
Then again, we really don’t know, do we?
sigh. heavy sigh.
Can you imagine what would happen if they arrested everyone involved in this case that needs to be arrested? They would probably have to deputize the militia and serve all the warrants at once. Otherwise they would have a mini-civil war on their hands that would make the Hatfield-McCoy feud look like a Sunday School picnic, with all the retaliation going on.
Then the problem would be where to put everybody that got arrested. I believe someone suggested a football stadium.
Just my opinion of course.
I was just thinking about the term “a jury of one’s peers.”
I think I need a nap.
Thank you so much Simon, TJ, and Cobra, for keeping us informed.
The interview (second segment) with Misty is posted on The Early Show’s website. Go to CBS.com You can click on the Watch Videos.
Ron was unable to attend because Jr. is sick. His attorney answered questions on behalf of Ron.
Misty thinks Crystal Sheffield’s side of the family had something to do with Haleigh’s disappearance and she thinks Haleigh is still alive.
Simon,
Interesting that members of Crystal’s family think that Robbie Middleton may actually be the biological father and Robbie’s brother Chris works as an investigator for the prosecutor.
Just like Jesse Grund did the math and seriously doubted he could really be the biological father of Caylee, if Robbie is the biological father of Haleigh, he could have figured out the probability of his paternity regarding Haleigh.
Can the PSCO invesigate who is the biological father by requiring buccal swabs from both Ron and Robbie? It seems like they should at least be able to require a swab from Ron and either confirm or disprove his paternity. Really, it wouldn’t be that hard to get Ron’s DNA.
Seems like all sorts of scenarios could have played out regarding Haleight’s dissappearance if Robbie really is Haleight’s biological father.
For one thing, at least half the child support that Crystal owed Ron at that time could really have been Robbie’s responsibility.
The thing is Crystal is not that powerful and neither is her family it seems. Yet not only did Cobra apparently inadvertently step on some powerful toes, he might have actually struck a nerve.
I’d find out whether ron is the biological father or not if I had to pay for the DNA test myself.
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Cobra good luck with everything, Gods light will shine for you bro.
Cobra, we here in Collier Co. know all about “Joe”. Cannot say much more about it due to the investigation, but you are so right.
Good Luck, Our Thoughts are with you.
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I’ll b driving through Arizona today. I’ll try to raise awerness for Haleigh.
Cobra you are Haleigh’s Steven Segal. Do ur thing
Aside from it possibly being connected to HaLeigh disappearing,I can’t see why anyone would be interested in the DNA. He loves her and hss been the only Daddy she has ever known.
Cobra,
You hear what you want to believe.
You had every intention of arresting that man. The crimes this person is accused of are despicable, but it isn’t the point. You disregarded the insurance companys instructions. Man up, stop using this forum and the bloggers to trash the police department and get support. We all have to be responsible our actions, why not you?
curious,
If Ron is not the father, then possibly Robbie is…since can’t get Robbie’s dna, eliminating Ron might indicate why the prosecution came down so hard on Cobra if he was getting ready to uncover soemthing Chris’s brother Robbie didn’t want to be uncovered.
Timing wise, when Cobra started checking on Crystal’s of the family and discovered rumors of Robbie’s possible paternity, that’s when the prosecution lowered the boom.
Did Robbie take a look at haleigh one day and think, “hey that little girl looks a lot more like me than she does Ron” put two and two together and decide to kidnap his own child to get the child away from both Crystal and Ron (neither of whom are ideal parents)…that might also explain why only Haleigh was kidnapped and not Junior.
Dylan, I agree with you Cobra had every intention of arresting this man. As I understand it he was doing his job and had the paper work that authorized him to do so. I don’t think he disregarded the ins instructions. I think the ins changed their minds after Cobra already had him loaded in his vehicle. As soon as the ins changed their mind he immediately let him go. I give Cobra credit for being a smart guy. IF he was knowingly doing something wrong I don’t think he would request video coverage and request the police to be there to witness it. He is too smart for that. JMO Treece
I wish we could get a close up snap shot of Robbie. I do know she looks like Crystal.
someone could get dna by grabbing a glass or cup if they could find out where he may go out to eat.
Also, someone wanted to know how the little girl could take a pill if nasty. sometimes they put stuff in brownies.
Also it was stated that someone Misty knows had those lolipops with drugs. I don’t know what they are or what they taste like.
Golly-Gee-goshers! These are the people I was thinking of the whole time Cobra. A special Prosecutor??!!! I pray you, Cobra, have a special one on your side. I stand behind you!
Hollys G-mom , I applaud you, you go lady! XOXOXO
Treece,
Arresting this man was NOT his job as he was only authorized to TALK to him, not arrest him. The insurance company made no bones about not authorizing Cobra to go out there to arrest him.
If you reread witness statements from March and May it’s very clear that Cobra had made his mind up to arrest him at least the day before he went to this man’s house and is putting blame elsewhere.
Don’t want to trash him, but he needs to accept responibility for his actions.
Gmom i’m so sorry to hear of ur abuse.It makes me really understand ur passion 4 HaLeigh.
COBRA WAS IN THE RIGHT putnam co. doesnt want any of their finest put under the bus so cobra got hit and stuck under it also if you have any dealing with pcso, bail bonds or their click of people then look out you just might be in cobras place cobra i want to be at your hearing stand fast and with GOD and all will be well for you keep doing the work you do because pcso can use all the help it can get to bring crimcnals in they have to sit in their cars at nite in side roads dirt roads and meet up with their womem friends caught them several times on our dirt road at nite so cobra keep living clean and doing your job and we might locate Halegh and bring her home my prayers are with you
Well, another suspicious connection to the Sheffeild’s. Something is fishy over there. I had suspected something after all the talk of the fake search the Sheffeild’s has with the fake FBI guy (which seems to have dropped off the radar entirely). And no one seems to want to talk about it.
For me the only thing missing in that scenario was why they would leave JR there. But they could be just waiting till they can take him from Ron. If you glance at other blogs people are convinced that JR should have his life disrupted even further and be put with Crystal. Crystal has yet to show that she even wants them. I split with the father of my kids for 2 years, and if he had been like Ron, I would have fought like hell to rescue them. She never did.
Just watch, someone will be popping in here right away to tell me how horrible I am for even suggesting that the Sheffeild’s could be involved. All I want to know is how come there is so much attention focused on RC and MC and nobody even considers other alternatives? And now the connection with the prosecutors, no one close to this case seems to be scared that Haleigh is dead. Not one person, they all insist she is alive. Could be irrational hope against hope, but it makes me wonder what they all may know about that night.
What is it that le is keeping to themselves? Is it a vital clue, or the fact that they don’t have a clue. I always hope they are doing all they can, but the more I hear, the more I think that they are sitting in a room scratching their heads and wondering how they can keep blaming their lack of progress on a 17 year old. All their press releases say blah, blah, blah no progress, blah, blah, blah we just need Misty to talk. No, you ask, if she doesn’t tell, you get off your a** and find the evidence and follow the evidence.
Chad Reynolds is still missing, Tommy has made himself a suspect and what have the Sheffeild’s been up to? What about cabins along the river? I wish I was a detective there, I would have been all over this the first week. And maybe they were. Maybe they are the best le ever. They did clear 44 SO’s in record time……how is that possible?
Could someone clear something up for me? What does Ron have to say about Tommy going and checking on Misty that? If Ron called tommy and asked him to check on Misty would he have not gotten back to Ron and said Misty was not home. Anyone have the details on this?
A different prosecutor??? Is that what happens when the current prosecutor refuses to prosecute such a ridiculous case? Are they just using whatever excuse they can to keep Cobra’s license suspended?
For those who claim that Cobra had the intention to arrest the day before – even if he did, so what? Cobra didn’t make the arrest until it was legal. I have the intention to build a barn, but I haven’t gotten the building permit yet. Is that a crime??
Romewi:
Another one of those issues that no one seems to want to address. le feels ok letting that info out to the public, but no clarification. le is only interested in implicating Misty, not the truth. JMO, I hope I am wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut5jVrfRYrM&feature=related
Can anyone tell me if this is true?
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m10d11-HaLeigh-Cummings-case-Mistys-attorney-drops-her-as-client-wishes-her-well
LindaOz,
He broke the law, it was NEVER legal to arrest that man and now Cobra needs to accept responsibility for his actions. This is not a matter of being his friend. He messed up. Anyone else would be held accountable.
Dylan,
You must think that many of us have not been following the case and/or understand the statutes that apply here?
Or maybe it’s you who does not understand what is going on?
Either way, you are entitled to your own opinion.
Thought: Isn’t it a crime to have a loaded firearm or any firearm in your closet and not locked up? Isn’t it a crime to threaten to shoot people? Isn’t it an issue of public safety when a person physically demonstrates how they plan to commit suicide? How can TM sit on the radio and talk about that without talking about what le did when he phoned to report this dangerous activity going on in a home with a minor child? If he reported that to media and not le that is a major red flag. I don’t want to attack those that want to help, but I am questioning his motives here. If he really wants to help, how is airing the family’s dirty laundry going to help Haleigh? We should have found out about that conversation after le executed a search warrant to confiscate the weapon, not on the radio.
Nothing makes sense
Grrrrrrrrrrrr…………
Dylan, I hope the facts all come out. I believe Cobra had the file to arrest and they changed their minds after he had him loaded. If he was just going to do it anyway why did he call for LE witness, have it filmed & then let him go? That makes no sense. Cobra has a long history of doing his job and he does it by the law. I don’t think he would have chosen to break the law with LE there on purpose. Get real. Linda oz, I agree, someone was desperate to get Cobra out of there before he found SOMETHING OR SOMEONE.
Pulling out a special prosecutor does not necessarily mean a negative. It could simply mean that the state might be assigning a prosecutor who is more familiar with the laws on both the federal and state level pertaining to the alleged crime that was committed and being tried.
For all we know the new prosecutor might look at the case and throw it to the curb before the next court date?
It would certainly be in the states best interest to do just that, if necessary, in an effort to save the state the expense of trying an obvious no win case before the court.
I have always felt Crystal could be behind this, I m not saying she was the one at the house getting Haleigh but when you think of it if it was a sex predator he wanted Haleigh, if it was Misty, she wouldnt need to prop the door open she would have had a key or would have left the door unlocked- not propped open. I think they got haleigh at the door andd propped the door open to come back for Jr and didnt get the chance after Misty woke up. The door propped open tells me someone was coming back
Oh my! I see what you mean UpRoar…Cobra has blatantly admitted that he has made himself available to testify.
Hmmm Now where’s that crime scene tape when ya need it?
Gah!
Nancy Drew on 10/12 at 11:03 said,”Also it was stated that someone Misty knows had those lolipops with drugs. I don’t know what they are or what they taste like.”
While I have no idea whether it is true that Misty had access to the “lollipops with drugs” I can answer the last part of this question.
There are suckers that my husband(long time chronic pain sufferer)used to use after oxicontin alone was no longer effective to block his pain. The suckers/lollipops which are correctly called Actiq lozenges(fentanyl transmucosal). After a quick google check I learned they have street names: “Perc-O-Pop” or “Lollipop”. My dh says they taste just like candy.
UpRoar, why don’t you get the facts before making all these accusations. What are you trying to stir up here? “potential crime scene”?
“throw an entire profession under the bus”? a profession that he makes his own living through!!
Get real! That is ridiculous!!!
Added to that, there is a confirmation that “Chad”, WBG friend and room mate has or had a perscription for these tasty little pops.
ALso that Greg liked them as well. Words from his own mouth in interview. Will provide link if nec.
As quoted on the Art Harris site as to what went down that day, Cobra said:
“When I talked to C.E. Parish, he said, ‘It’s OK to take a look, but don’t revoke his bond or they’d have to refund his money.”
I don’t understand why there story is where it is now, when Cobra admitted in the beginning that Parish told him not to revoke the bond. There are other interviews floating around where Cobra says that he was just given the files to check out people on bond. I don’t understand the many different stories, coming from Cobra, about what he had the right to do or not do that day.
Snodgrass should have not been out in the first place, shame on Florida for not being tougher on scumbags like that… and I think Cobra’s intentions were on the side of good, but Cobra saying one thing and contradicting it down the road is disheartening. 🙁
I think Cobra is throwing them under the bus cause he feels they threw him under the bus? Tit for tat, whatever.
Just another side show distracting us from where Haleigh is.
I don’t know. The druggies I have been around WOULDN’T have shared their “pops” with a child, too selfish, wanted it all for themselves.
Some times when children as “stolen” from the custodial parent it is due to the non-custodial suspecting or knowing about abuse, especially sexual abuse. A female child being taken with a male child being left behind can signal such a senario. Female child being seen more at risk, male child seen as not at risk. (Not always true by the way). The door propped does sort of sound like someone was going to come inside again, but doesn’t seem logical. If both children had gone missing, Crystal WOULD have been suspect #1.
Also TN & AS both told in interviews, I think, that Haleigh was potty trained, as most 5 yr olds who attend school are. Her Turners Syndrome might have caused urinary problems, but she should not have still been wetting the bed. An occasional accident maybe, but it seems so routine by the way Misty acts about it that I question it. She wasn’t saying “Haleigh’s blanket smelled of pee, which is unusual for her” or anything that would make one think it was a rare occurance.
Now having mentioned that I want to bring up the fact that sexually abused children OFTEN wet the bed and or bathroom accidents. It can be due to: stretching of localized tissue damaging thier urinary retention ability, keeping others away from thier privates and beds, as well as urinary tract infections due to thier abuse. I have thought this part of the story, pee blanket, was important. It may offer some answeres as to why someone would go to these lengths to keep Haleigh away.
Before anyone screams at me that Ron loved Haleigh and it was obvious to all, let me asure you that my own father made everyone he knew believe I was the apple of his eye. I guess in many ways I was, his favorite toy. Not all molestation is brutal, sometimes it’s subtle, very subtle and slow. The child believes that what is happening is ok and even a good thing. They made to believe that they are special and important.
Just throwing ideas out there!
While they might not have willingly shared one, it is possible that she saw one in that house somewhere and while no one was looking or was distracted with thier 3-way she took one or took one that was unfinished and laying around somewhere. If you don’t live with children on a day to day basis, you don’t think to put stuff like that up and out of thier reach. It could have happened like that.
I am dissappointed in the PCSO. If they hadn’t dismissed snodgrass so easily saying that the monitoring device made it impossible for Haleigh to be taken by him and if they had arrested snodgrass for violating his parole for continuing to go around the bug center where children were always present…snodgrass would have already been in the slammer legally and they could have searched his property from top to bottom.
The two officers that stood by and watched Cobra cuff Snodgrass should have cuffed him. They should have told Cobra, “Step aside. This guy has violated his parole. We’re going to arrest him.” Or when the bonding company called and said to let Snodgrass go, the two police officers should have cuffed him and taken him in.
The guy violated his parole.
Hollys G-mom said,in October 12th, 2009 at 3:23 pm Added to that, there is a confirmation that “Chad”, WBG friend and room mate has or had a perscription for these tasty little pops.
ALso that Greg liked them as well. Words from his own mouth in interview. Will provide link if nec
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Please provide links as offered that there is confirmation they had or have a prescription and that WBG said that, thanks!!!!!
uproar, Klynn? You resent my attacks? Have I not responded civilly? I believe my post at 3:14 was in defense of your accusations against Cobra. I don’t think Cobra stated why he wanted some prosecutors to listen to the show yesterday but I would guess that he wanted them to hear what he had to say. He probably has a distaste for being a scape goat for some of those “comrades” who have questionable business practices that they have now drawn him into. I don’t think he WANTS to testify against anyone, I think he has been backed into a corner and is ready to come out swinging. But again, EVERYTHING, outside of Cobra answering these questions himself is just my speculation. JMO Treece
texas golden girl, those are great points, it seems like that is the place to go if you want to be a pervert –
hollysgmom, that could be true, if a child saw “candy” they certainly would be likely to pick it up on their own –
The more we hear and discuss this case the more it seems Haleigh is probably dead.
HEY, HI EVERYONE….I JUST GOT BACK FROM A TRIP FROM HELL. I HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE, MOST TIMES I HAVE THE BAD GUY WITH ME IN CUFFS, THIS TIME THEY TELL ME, I AM THE BAD GUY. HELL I THREW MYSELF ON THE GROUND AND PUT MY ASS BACK IN THE TRUCK AND HIT THE GAS!
I JUST PULLED BACK INTO THE DRIVE AND FIRED THIS OLE BOY UP, AND NOW I AM TYPING AT 2 WORDS PER MINUTE AS USUAL….
THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT AS THIS IS SO WRONG!
I know that my husband rarely used the whole lozenge in one sitting/suck. It was common for him to injest a bit and then go back to it later. We were so PETRIFIED some child or a pet would get ahold of an unfinished sucker or even the stick that he would rewrap the unused portion and store it safely and the sticks were disposed of in an empty bleach bottle when done.
I have previously discarded the theory that Haleigh may have gotten into the “stash” because she is kind of old to do that especially if raised around a druggie environment(Jr. is another story)but have never heard they had access to Actiq. They look like a sucker and according to my dh taste like candy….a temptation for any child.
These suckers are intended for terminally ill cancer patients, etc…not an everyday prescription. AAMF there was only one pharmacy in our area who even stocked them and it was on an on-order basis. If Chad has chronic pain issues (wheelchair?) he may have a script as my dh did but I doubt wbg does/did, not saying they couldn’t get them illegally.
I have felt for some time Haleigh was accidently overdosed with something in an effort to get her to go to sleep. Misty herself said she was exhausted that night(long weekend). It was reported by Ron’s co-workers that Misty had a problem previously with Haleigh at bedtime. (Remember, Ron was on nightshift for only a few weeks.)Of course, I really don’t know and hope this theory is wrong.
I have long wondered why Ron stuck by Misty, it could be if they had those suckers in the house and Haleigh got ahold of one they would both be liable. My gut says they ‘loved’ Haleigh and wouldn’t intentionally kill her, but that doesn’t mean they put her safety ahead of their desire to get high.
Then again they could be totally innocent despite the lifestyle and someone else took her for whatever reason.
We won’t know until someone talks or Haleigh is found. If Haleigh was od’d and is found in the condition that Caylee was, we may never know the cause of death..grrrrrr.
Loving prayers for Haleigh!
Just to add my two cents worth:
1) Misty is a liar as indicated by her statements and behavior.
2) The “pee” blanket holds some significance
3)Jr needs to be interviewed, he’s a witness
4)Tommy Croslin is more involved than he’s admitted to
5) Cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster
Scenario: Misty was at a party, Haleigh died accidentally, Tommy helped dispose of the body hence the brush stuck to his wife’s van and the scratch down the side.
Check out Palatka Daily News. Police say Misty is still on their radar no matter what she says about them having to move on because she has nothing to do with Haleigh’s disappearance.GO LE
Just a thought….a special prosecutor could be brought in to eliminate the possibility of bias because of the connection to Chris Middleton.
I’m curious to hear what Cobra has to say about the special prosecutor.
Just a quick comment. didn’t read through all the posts, but I saw in the beginning that several were talking about effects of abuse. Abuse (sexual & physical) seems to run rampant in families that live in poverty and the drug environment. I don’t know if Misty was ever a victim of abuse, but we know she was certainly exploited by Ronald while still a minor. Victims of abuse, especially repeat abuse, often learn to compartmentalize. It is a survival coping mechanism developed by the brain to deal with trauma that cannot be processed. Same with dissociation of emotions or empathy. If Misty has these traits, it would not be hard to see or understand how she could cover up the truth of something happening to Haleigh. I know some will argue, but it doesn’t mean she is *necessarily* a bad person, just a messed up one. That being said, it doesn’t mean she should have no consequences for obstruction of justice (if she has refused to tell the truth…). Everyone makes their choices, despite what underlying tragedies may motivate them.
Girls with Turner’s Syndrome can also have heart and circulatory problems
There are so many scenarios and theory for every person when you put it all together still a piece missing i am beginning to think we wont know what happened to haleigh for a long time if ever nothing in this case adds up or makes any since at all in this case i think all are guilty til proven innocent jmo
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-133892.html
“I was hallucinating(sp) like crazy. I kept seeing dogs run across my vision field.” and
“After that i passed out on the couch, i remember seeing people walking around me. ”
Does that sound familar? An account of a Perc-o-pop user.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06307/735399-114.stm
A woman with Crohn’s disease used fentanyl patches to treat her chronic pain. She didn’t
dispose of her used patches the approved way, by folding the sticky sides together and
flushing them down the toilet. She simply tossed them in a trashcan.
She found her 4-year-old son dead on the floor next to the overturned trashcan. He had stuck
one of the patches on himself.
“A 4-year-old kid — what do they do with stickers and Band-Aids?” said Matthew Grissinger,
director of error reporting programs at ISMP. The watchdog group runs an international
database, where doctors and patients report if something goes wrong with a medicine.
“In one case, an older person’s patch happened to fall off on the floor. A 3-year-old kid
sat on it and died.” Another child peeled a pain patch off of his sleeping grandmother and
stuck it on himself.
http://www.wkrg.com/national/article/toddler_overdoses_on_cocaine_and_oxycontin/14604/Jun-06-2008_12-45-pm/
A South Florida mother is charged
with child neglect causing death after an autopsy found that her
21-month-old son died of a cocaine and Oxycontin overdose.
Police say they don’t know how Darius ingested the drugs because
his parents aren’t cooperating.
Cobra glad you’re home safe. There’s some sleezy allegations made about you and money over at hobbitt’s board. Thought you should know
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime/11-year-old-dies-from-a-possible-oxycodone-overdose-213322.html
11-year-old dies from a possible Oxycodone overdose
“said she ingested up to five pills of a narcotic painkiller.”
http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-story-baby-overdose-death-charges,0,1887231.story?track=rss“%20title=”Charges%20near%20in%20baby’s%20overdose%20death%20(Oklahoma’s%20NewsChannel%204)
Charges near in baby’s overdose death
http://www.triplicate.com/20090804106607/News/Local-News/Girl-10-dies-of-overdose
Girl, 10, dies of overdose Grandmother jailed after child swallows pain killer
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Family+80%25+at+fault+for+child's+death+from+OxyContin.-a0185386033
http://blog.opiates.com/2008/11/in-wrong-hands.html
Accidental overdose of children who ingest opiates is a growing concern for the medical establishment.
The report looked at children under 6 years old who were exposed to opiates including methadone, oxycodone, hydrocodone and buprenorphine between January 2003 and June 2006.
Of the 9,179 children who were exposed to an opiate, 99% fully ingested the drug and 92% of the incidents occurred in their homes. Nearly all cases involved an opiate that was prescribed for an adult living in the house.
Of those children, the median age was 2, and 54% of those who ingested the opiate were boys.
Those cases resulted in 8 deaths, 43 incidents considered life threatening or disabling, and 214 incidents that cause prolonged effects but were not life threatening. Of those poisoning cases, 6,003 were blamed on hydrocodone and 2,036 were attributed to oxycodone.
I will brb with the link I said I’d find….
Interview from Art Harris with Greg Page. Talks about Roxies and that Misty and he used them the weekend prior to Haleigh’s disappearance.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/
There is another link for the fentanyl pop and Chad’s perscription.
BRB
Ash berry, LOL…guilty until proven innocent…in the court of public opinion that works for me, especially given all the possible scenerios and characters in this case….however, I’m sure glad that isn’t the case in the legal system.
Poor little Haleigh is the missing piece to this puzzle. I hope not forever.
Haleigh has Asthma, which would make her more susceptible to respiratory failure if exposed to opiates. I just can’t shake that feeling….. :`( …..I won’t bring it up again though as I have no proof that happened.
I’m not saying this is definitavely what happened, but there is room for possibility.
Personally, I hope it didn’t happen. I hope some fmaily member or friend has her safe somewhere.
And you are correct. Haleigh’s Asthma would have made for a dealy combination with Oxies of any sort or style (pill or pop)
Hollys G-mom said, in October 12th, 2009 at 5:53 pm I will brb with the link I said I’d find….
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THANKS!!
J-
lol…I would have called me out on the news article as well. Agreed, not a good source for real debate…but it had quotes and I was looking for something quickly.
—–1. Why would Tommy (admittedly) wait an hour to go “check” on Misty?—–
How do you know there was an hour difference? Where did you get that info?
Ronald says that he didn’t ask Tommy to go check on Misty and your logic makes sense. No argument here.
Quite possibly, Tommy didn’t go over there to check on her but to warn her that Ron was trying to find her. If that were the case, he wouldn’t call Ron back and tell him she’s not home (that would further upset him).
I’m still looking for the link about the “pops”. I believe it was in an interview with WBG mom,not sure though. Be Back later…
Meanwhile here’s this info on Chad E and his connection to Greg Page
WBG lives with a man named Chad E.(Last name begins with E) at 4** Stokes Landing, Palatka.
2 blocks south and 2 blocks east of L-Pond that was drained.
Does Tommy have an alibi for that night? Could he have been partying with Misty as well?
Hollys G-mom…
I could kiss you.
So the handicapped guy WBG lives with IS the Chad referenced in the letter. Excellent.
Why Thank you! He is THE most likely Chad.
If you’re parting with WBG at his “house” then you would be actually parting at Chad E’s residence
WELL, I AM TIRED OF ANSWERING TOO DARN MANY E-MAILS AS TO WHAT DO I THINK HAPPENED. SOME HAVE BEEN OUT RIGGERS FOR MORE INFORMATION. I THINK I HAVE IT FIGURED OUT. BOLD I KNOW. KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS MY NUMBER ONE AS THERE ARE ONLY FOUR POSSIBILITIES TO WHAT HAPPENED. WHO WOULD BENEFIT IF THERE WERE ONLY MEN INVOLVED? HOW WOULD THEY DO IT? HERE IS HOW I THINK IT HAPPENED. NOW IT IS JUST HOW MY PUZZLE TURNED OUT AND IS ONLY MY THOUGHTS AND NOT THE ENTIRE FACT, SO WITH THAT IN PLACE HERE GOES….
FIRST GUY….TIRED OF A CHEATING RUNNING OFF GIRL, TIRED OF HER SNEAKING OUT AT NIGHT, TIRED OF OTHERS FOR THE PRICE OF ADMISSION, WHO KNOWS WHAT. NOW HOW TO TEACH HER A LESSON, BENEFITING IN KEEPING HER HOME. NOT ABLE TO PULL THIS OFF, HE NEEDS HELP. BUT WHO? WHAT IF A SECOND GIRL WAS TO GO TO JAIL? WHO WOULD KEEP THE KIDS WHILE THE SECOND MAN WAS AT WORK? HOW WOULD HE PAY THE BOND? REMEMBER IT IS A FULL COLLECTION OF PAST CHILD SUPPORT. NO TRUE ACCOUNT OF HIS TIME. THE FIRST MAN YES. THE SECOND FREE TO COME AND GO. NOW THE BENEFIT IS UNPREDICTABLE, BUT THE FIRST GIRL MAY STAY HOME. THE SECOND GIRL MAY STAY OUT OF JAIL. BUT THE TIMING WAS OFF AS THAT WAS CAYLEE DAY! NOW HOW TO SHUT IT DOWN? STILL WORKING ON THAT AS THE SECOND MAN IS THE BEST CHOICE, BUT THE FIRST MAN ACTS LIKE HE HELPED. NOW IF ANY OF THIS IS TRUE, WHAT A HELL WE HAVE PUT THE FIRST GIRL THROUGH, THE SECOND,.. UNSURE OF HER KNOWLEDGE OR INVOLVEMENT. JUST SOME OF MY NOTES……COBRA
Hollys G-mom said,in October 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pm I’m still looking for the link about the “pops”. I believe it was in an interview with WBG mom,not sure though. Be Back later…
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Thanks, will wait
curious, I am sure she will get back with you, when she finds it.
Cobra: Huh?
Has anything happened from the allegations of the staged search where Nay Nay’s keys were found? How did they know to search in that location? What is up with the fake FBI guy?
OK Cobra, it that is the case, then doesn’t that mean Haleigh is alive, they just don’t know how to end their mess, or how to get out of it without someone going to jail? And if this is how it happened would a 911 call been allowed?
If this is right, your are right, 1st girl sure has had unwarranted hell. But why have the really guilty ones been able to appear so innocent? How will this ever end??
I’m taking a break from searching for a few, will get back to it. I could swear it was an interview and Grags mom (?) talked about Chad’s Fentalyn pops. Anyway I’ll keep looking.
In the meantime here is my interpretation of Cobra’s riddle, lol. If I’m being thick and not getting it shout it out!
First guy= Ron Tired of run-around-girl=Misty
Haleigh missing to teach Misty a lesson? Ron needed help to do this. Second girl=Crystal
Second guy= Chad (worried about C going to jail, who would watch thier kids while he worked, and how would he come up with the cash to bail her out on her back child support case)
1st guy= Ron w/ strong alibi
2nd guy= Chad no real alibi
They didn’t realize it would get this big. It exploded in the media due to Caylee Anthony’s murder and case. Ron only wanted to scare Misty into staying home like she should and C & Chad wanted to get away from $12,000 back child support nearing arrest warrent. Now they can’t figure out how to straighten everything out and bring Haleigh home due to so much publicity and pending charges.
If it is true then Misty has been put through hell and maybe C doesn’t even know Chad is involved or was not involved herself.
How’d I do?
Hollys gmom, we will have to wait & see what Cobra says but I think you have answered the riddle!!!! The exciting thing, if this were true, is that Haleigh would be alive!!!!! treece
As fricken if
skywise,
You asked:
How do you know there was an hour difference? Where did you get that info?
Tommy said Ron called him around 9pm.
Tommy has placed himself at the home between 9:45 and 10pm. I just did the math. He lives .2 of a mile a way. It would take less than ONE minute to drive there. IF he went at the time he stated he did, he waited between 45 minutes to an hour to go “check” on Misty.
Just because Ron called Tommy @9:00 PM doesn’t mean he jumped right up and ran right over, right?
Cobra: Why only Haleigh and not Jr., too?
Hollys G-mom, that was the same way I figured Cobra’s equation too. He is certainly privy to more info than we are and I hope this is the case and baby girl is safe somewhere.
I realize none of these players are rocket scientist down there but….gee, wouldn’t it have been a whole lot easier for 1st man to just tell his family he was having a problem with his childcare….than to play these games with his daughter’s life even if it was intended for only a few days.
If girl #1 was indeed leaving these kids unattended, IMO, she deserves some of this hell.
I realize she is young, has had a tough life and these are not her children she agreed to care for, but she has managed to protect her own butt throughout this ordeal with no interest in being truthful to help find Haleigh….heck, she didn’t even call 911.
I hope you are right Cobra. Now we need to think of a scenerio that would be acceptable to bring this girl home.
Haleighsvillage@yahoo.com
we had flurry of messages.
The count is increasing.
thank you
Cobra you are truly the Riddler. Thanks for all you’ve done for this little girl.
Almost home now…
if girl #1 was leaving these children home alone & dad, grandma, or great grandma knew that had EVER happened they are all responsible!!! The way grandma & great grandma talked about Haleigh in the beginning makes me think they had never known of her neglecting them. Even Crystal said her kids loved Misty in the beginning. It seems that everyone thought Misty was good to the kids. Even if grandparents knew Misty had been gone on a 3 day drug binge I would have thought they would have kept the kids for a day or 2. I am sure they wish they had now.
I really am having trouble believing this scenerio that Cobra proposed is accurate.
No don’t take offense Cobra…I realize you are tossing ideas around trying to make this puzzle fit…and appreciate your sharing your thoughts. I really do hope you are right….but it leaves more questions.
1) Why not take Jr too?
2) How would they be sure this would clear the obligation for child support? That would be up to the court, right?
3) If it was within Ron’s descretion why give up claim to $12,000 from someone who has turned you into CPS just to teach Misty a lesson….he could have got his sister or someone else to go get the kids and prank Misty.
4) Why involve the police and risk losing custody of both children?
5) If this is right the biggest irony is #1 and #2 guys will most likely lose both the girls and the kids if the truth comes out…
No one would do that and carry on the charade for 8+ months. No way in hell. It doesn’t explain anything. Sorry Cobra, I know you have been in the midst of this, but I don’t think so. Misty would have learned her lesson in one day, no need to carry it on.
Hollys G-mom
i have been thinking all day about you and what you have posted on this thread. i am so sorry about what you, your brother and mother all went through. i am glad you feel you and your brother “have come a long way.”
if you ever do decide that it is right for you and your brother to share what happened to the two of you in a book, i know it will help other people. what you shared today has already helped me. thank you for that.
besides your personal survival story, and with your compassion for others, i think you have the ability to talk about abuse in a way that makes the subject clearer and more relevant to all of us. i don’t want to push at all, just thinking if you choose to, i think you have something to contribute that is valuable.
my best wishes to you and your brother
Cobra: I remember how Chad wept so hard about Haleigh being missing. I don’t think he would have been so broken, if he knew Haleigh was safe.
ms.peridot, I totally agree with you about Hollysgmom. She has much to offer. I don’t want to get blasted here for being preachy but Hollygsmom so reminded me of a bible scripture, Romans 8:28 says, “all things work together for the good….” That scripture doesn’t say all things are good…. It says God will use all things to the good if we will let Him. I see in Hollysgmom how she has taken her terrible pain and used it for good. That is how GOd works all things, even the bad, into good. JMO Treece
Karon Cox said (October 13th, 2009 at 12:10 am)
I remember how Chad wept so hard about Haleigh being missing. I don’t think he would have been so broken, if he knew Haleigh was safe.
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I know that you’re addressing Cobra (pardon me) but I think you’re right, that IS significant. How do you know this?
J-
lol…I can do math, but I don’t remember reading an actual time for Ronald’s phone call to Tommy. That’s the source I was looking for.
BTW…I just realized that I had jumped threads & you still answered me…that’s so cool. Very ninja of you.
Thank you all, I really do appreciate you encouragements. It is often hard to admit to people that these terrible, truely heinous things happened to you. I had a best friend who had a reoccuring dream for 15 yrs. First 5 yrs she could only see 1 corner of a black room, next 5 yrs she could see another corner. It was about this time I started to really ask her if she had been sexually abused. She denied it emphatically so I dropped it for awhile. 5 more yrs go by then she can see 3 corners of the room and some details start to fill it. Then one day she was at work and another health care professional asked her the same question. She said she just couldn’t deny it anymore and it all came tumbling out. She had been molested oraly by her Step-grandfather from age 3-6 while her parents visited with the grand-mother in the next room!!! Needless to say once she opened up she was then able to go on to her own healing. I have been an advocate against child abuse for years and have spoken with many different people about thier stories of abuse and encouraged them towards help and healing.
I have been searching for that link on Chad E. Greg Pages room mate. Well, it turns out it is in a locked thread that I no longer have access to. However in my researching I did find 3 references to these “morphine pops” being used by Ron, Misty & Ron, or Crystal. I don’t have the confirmation links for the acusations but maybe some of you here remember these accusations when they first surfaced.
“In an interview, Crystal noted that these were a favorite with Ron. Had Haleigh, as petite as she was, gotten ahold of one and sucked on it the way she had seen Daddy and Misty do, it
would likely have put her in a deep sleep and then depressed her breathing to the point of
death.” post on WS
http://www.topix.net/forum/city/satsuma-fl/T52VIGA63OER7TOO7/p469
I like the ‘morphine pop’ theory at the moment since Ronald’s friends said that was one of his choices when he used drugs. No doubt there were some in the trailer. Of course if there
were, you can bet they were gone by the time they called 911. Posted March 10 2009.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80258&page=18
“It’s mighty odd to me that Crystal, outside of the cocaine, couldnt name the other drugs he was on..her family was the one throwing out the meth and morphine lollipops.”
If any of you know more about these claims please add link.
Skywise:
I saw Chad being interviewed by a local or area TV station, and he was really broken and weeping. It was right after Haleigh came up missing.
OMG! Check this out!
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat=19861125&id=8dARAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5ekDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6753,2869066
Sounds kind of fishy to me.
To: Karon Cox – thanks….going to look for it now.
Has anyone heard what the snitch Donna has found out from misty
They said today that Donna was a setup to see if she could get more info out of misty. Wow good idea.
I’m assuming Chad E’s house over on Stokes Landing was searched as thoroughly by LE as Ronald Cummings trailer. Can anybody verify?
I don’t know why everybody is being so secretive with HIS name. Only the crew at scaredmonkeys even mention him.
I keep thinking, maybe a plan AND an accident? Or, (I think more likely) maybe Person A made the plan, and Person B ALTERED the plan, possibly unbeknownst to Person A. (One of Cobra’s persons is different from what my idea has been.) Regardless, if SOMEONE doesn’t come clean, the nightmare will never end. And the truly guilty (if I am right with this scenario), will be having a good laugh. One does get the impression that SOMEONE is laughing, doesn’t one?
After spending 7 months digging up details on Haleigh gone missing.. details on Crystal, Ron and Misty.. and all family members. I originally believed Crystal’s stories, but there came a point.. that doubt began to set in.
Maybe it was the fake crying, like I saw with Misty. Although, Misty would produce tears after awhile, Crystal never did. Then the questions, if Crystal was so abused by Ron, why did she continue going back (her own statements) to this situation.. Why are there no police reports other than 1 restraining order. Why do I get the feeling that Crystal doesn’t want Ron when he’s alone with the kids, only when he becomes involved with another female, does she desperately want to return to him.. Was it the children, or was it Ron?
Crystal doesn’t appear to be very involved in the children’s lives, why? Where is her interest in their daily lives? Who is the driving force behind the custody issues? Crystal or Marie? Marie hired Wayanne, who made one statement against Ron, but it was Marie she claimed told her, but Marie denies.. See, there are many factors here, that makes me think.. that things are certainly not the way they have been promoted. You notice what happened to Cobra when he got too close to the Flames.. And I have determined, that Morality is not a big issue here.. Respect for Law Enforcement has also been a big issue, or should I say the lack of Respect.. thats not on one side.. This involves everyone. I do know there was an example made, involving Chad and his exwife, hiding a child for over a year.. Which one hid the child, I cannot determine. But, it was shown to be a workable system. It worked, and neither one went to jail.. And it had to have occurred when Chad and Crystal were together. So, lets go to the one Factor we know.. Haleigh was taken by someone she trusted.
And Le stated it was Family Related. Misty, well LE is going to work around her.. If she did nothing to harm Haleigh, nor participate in anything that Harmed Haleigh.. Then the Le really begins to look at a Live Child somewhere.
And there are three Families to look at.
Ron’s..
Misty’s..
Crystals..
Crystals family will be the last, but in time when they run to dead ends on Rons, and the Croslins.. They will only have one family left, and as much as people scream and yell, it can’t be.. Are you people mind readers? Don’t ever say Can’t be.. You only make fools of yourself.
They said CRYSTAL bit back at Misty’s statement, does anyknow know where that is?
mlee, I’ve always been open to the many possibilities of who could have taken Haleigh including members of Crystal’s circle of family and friends. Something is “off” about her. But that’s not saying much. Something is “off” about everyone involved in this – even LE at times – although there may be reasons for it that are totally unrelated to Haleigh’s disappearance.
But I have never agreed with LE’s statement that it’s definitely NOT a stranger abduction. I don’t know how they could even pretend to “KNOW” that for sure. All it takes is a big hand over a little mouth to keep her quiet or a rag dipped in something to knock her out – if LE is basing that on the lack of noise or something. But I just can’t accept as “fact” that a stranger didn’t do it without information to prove it.
So unfortunately my pool of suspects is “everybody we know and lots of people we don’t know too!”
Could you please tell us more about this Chad/Crystal “hidden child” situation you mentioned?
Skywise:
They may be being careful because he is a cripple. White Boy Greg takes care of him.
MLee, people who are VERY abused or go through one culminating traumatic event after years of it, often CANT cry — sometimes not for months or even a year or two. It’s like being numb. That’s not to say you might not be right, but it’s an observation I make from personal experience. Crystal’s tears did not appear fake to me as did some others’.
My theory is that there was a plan, but it “went wrong.” Possibly the asthma was involved. IMO.
Althea:
Yeah, Ronald seems to be the only one smirking, but not too much, anymore.
MLee, people who are VERY abused or go through one culminating traumatic event after years of it, often CANT cry — sometimes not for months or even a year or two. It’s like being numb. Then the dam breaks. This is an observation I make from personal experience. Crystal’s tears did not appear fake to me as did some others’.
Of course, you could still be right. Our perceptions are usually based on our own personal experiences — unless something happens (usually life) that teaches us to bend over backwards trying to figure out where other people are coming from.
There does seem to be an “X” factor here that’s throwing everything slightly out of kilter in all of this (yes, possibly even in Cobra’s theory as well as mine), but I think you may be reading too much into Crystal’s behavior. You might think I am reading too much into someone else’s behavior. And maybe I am!
You would think that, in the end, the facts should fit the psychology. But one needs to be aware that there are psychological conditions that are outside the realm of most peoples’ experience. Just my opinion, of course.
Karen, Yes, “smirking” would describe it. In my opinion.
I am going to jump subjects here but TM keeps exposing himself. I read yesterday that he now claims he pulled this “Donna, AKA Misty Mother” stunt to protect Misty, that he was in fear for her life. That is she was lost she would take the secret of Haleigh to her grave so he had to do this to protect Misty. In the same article he said Donna dropped Misty off at a convenient store but it was peaceful & Misty kissed her good by. Now if I was worried for her life that’s what I would do with her and then tell it so everyone knows she is potentially on her own, practically homeless. Whatever, the more TM opens his mouth the more his true colors shine. JMO Treece
Be sure and read Simon’s new article. He is doing an interview with Cobra today. Hopefully it will clear up alot of questions. Treece
Was Crystal going to be thrown in jail if she didn’t pay all of her back child support? And would they have put her in jail for upaid child support EVEN if Ron didn’t want to press charges?
If so, then that makes Chad a suspect for the kidnapping. I remember watching him the first time he was interviewed on television thinking that he couldn’t look at the camera when being interviewed. At that time I figured Crystal just wanted her baby out of that “less than ideal home” and had her kidnapped and when her fiancee couldn’t look at the camera the first time he was interviewed…I wondered.
I like that theory. It makes sense, plus haleigh would likely still be alive, but if that theory is correct, it seems like LE needs to find a way to let them off the hook for being idiots. I could forgive a lot of stupidity and even wasted taxpayers money, etc. if that little girl was still alive, unharmed.
Yes Texasgoldengirl, and it happened to Crystal’s Dad so they were all well aware of what would happen to her as a result of her not paying child support for over 3 years
Hollys G-mom said,in October 13th, 2009 at 1:37 am I have been searching for that link on Chad E. Greg Pages room mate. Well, it turns out it is in a locked thread that I no longer have access to. However in my researching I did find 3 references to these “morphine pops” being used by Ron, Misty & Ron, or Crystal. I don’t have the confirmation links for the acusations but maybe some of you here remember these accusations when they first surfaced.
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Thanks, I remember gossip in the earlier days, nothing to do with Chad or WBG,and definitely no confirmation of any of it, or that they had prescriptions, that was what I was asking for as I do not believe it exists.
Cobra, nice theory if you replace the R with a J.
Karon, I challenge you to watch that video of Chad again and find a single tear. He may not be involved but he sure as heck wasn’t crying.
If you need the link again, just let me know and I’ll find it for you.
bouncybelle, I would like to see it if you can post it. Thanks, Treece
Did Crystal owe three years child support on both Haleigh and Junior or did she owe three years child support only on Haleigh and less than three years on Junior.
Cuz that might explain why only Haleigh was taken if Crystal would not go to jail for Junior yet, but would for Haleigh.
Interesting that an anonymous doner paid all Crystal’s back child support…so now if this theory is correct, except for the fact that the authorities may have been lied to, they could bring Haleigh out of hiding (if this theory is correct).
Maybe LE needs to offer them a plea…community service, and a lot of it, for a long time, if they bring Haleigh out of hiding.
treece,
Interview with Chad:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131221&catid=3
texasgoldengirl, that would be so wonderful if it could happen that way and Haleigh be alive!
J, thank you for posting that link, I had never seen Chad before. Treece
Romewi:
I have followed all of this awfully close, and I haven’t heard Ron say anything about Tommy’s call.
treece,
You are more than welcome.
What were your thoughts on the interview, if you don’t mind my asking?
I wish there had been something said that sounded like this could be over with quickly but I sure didn’t get that impression. The corruption scares me. It seems to me that Cobra was too close & someone wanted him shut down. The cost to him personally has been suffocating and we don’t know if it didn’t prevent him from finding Haleigh. I don’t know in this case who is guilty. At times I have blamed a number of them. But the truth is we don’t know if anyone, that knew Haleigh is guilty, and I feel sorry for a lot of them. What did you think? treece
J, I had just finished listening to SImon interview Cobra. When I hit send I realized you were talking about the interview with Chad. I am a blonde.
I couldn’t see if Chad had tears but what stood out to me was that he stared down almost the entire time. I rare saw his eyes. I don’t know anything about him though. He might be really shy or if he was crying could have been embarrassed to have been on camera. What do you think of him?
J:
Thanks for the link. I don’t know what to think, and I hadn’t seen that interview in 8 months. I just remembered it when Cobra’s posted his puzzle. I didn’t see any tears, but his eyes were very red like he had been crying for some time. Everyone says he is very shy.
Chad wouldn’t be first on my list of suspects, but there is so much going on and so much being held back. I think, as fast as the news is breaking, we might have a better clue, soon.
Have any of you seen Art Harris’ exclusive (Misty Cummings’ New Undercover Mom)? If you haven’t, you will find it interesting.
Waaaay too many Chad’s in this case…
Crystal’s family, bah….I found & read all the stuff on writeintoaction.com and yes it looks like the Sheffield’s & that bleached blonde attorney tried (and are trying) to profit off Haleigh’s disappearance any way they can. No wonder Cobra suspects them.
That said…Chad Griffith…wrong Chad.
Crystal may be an opportunist & a substandard mother, but she doesn’t know what happened to Haleigh. If that clan did any “planning” it was after the fact when blondy law jumped in the mix.
Chad E over on Stokes Landing, the cripple, was where the party was at. HE’s the one who’s house should have been searched & if it wasn’t I’ll lose all faith in the PCSO.
Karon, you know what stood out to me is “he feared for Misty’s life” so he sent her a “mother” but tells that “mother” dumped her out at a convenience store, back in the same town.
If I were worried about someones safety, I wouldn’t tell where they were, who they were with, or take them back to the same town, much less broadcast it. I have lost all respect for TM. I think he needs some serious help. Treece
Well, Treece, and what do you think she should have done? Tied her up for her own good? Looks to me like at least they tried, and that counts for a lot.
Tried, tried to deceive her and convince her she cared for her like a mother. Not that Misty would have known what it is like to have a nurturing mother but I am sure it felt good to think she cared for her. I think she should have kept her or taken her some safe place and TM kept his mouth shut about it.
Treece, just consider for a moment a bigger picture. Suppose the “road-rage incident” was staged?
Treece:
That little town has one red-light from what I have read. I am sure they took her back and let her out where she asked them to let her out. Misty is a very willful girl from all accounts.
One thing I know about Tim is that he cares about people. He lost his own daughter, and that is what led him to get into all of this business of searching for missing children.
I think they did what they could for her.In a town that small, everyone knew the minute she got into town.
alethea, I believe the road rage incident was staged but why?
Karon, I use to agree with you about TM but he seems to have changed.
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