According to Fox 35 a source close to the Caylee Anthony case are claiming that ‘significant levels’ of chloroform was found in Casey Anthony’s car, mother of little Caylee.
The sources are also saying that a computer which was confiscated from the Anthony home shows that someone had done some research on chloroform looking for information about it and how it is used. If inhaled chloroform depresses the central nervous system causing dizziness, fatigue and unconsciousness like when a doctor uses it on a patient preparing them for a simple surgery.
Today new charges were brought against Casey. Two additional charges each of uttering a forged check, petit theft and fraudulent use of personal identification. Orange County Sheriff’s office says that Casey used a friend’s checkbook to buy items at Target and Winn Dixie and to write a check for cash in July.
Wftv.com is reporting this afternoon that late Wednesday afternoon a cadaver dog alerted searchers on an area where they were searching for Caylee just south of the Orlando Airport. It is near the same place that they have been searching looking for her body.
Investigators were called out to the area but they told reporters that they didn’t think it was likely to have anything to do with Caylee’s case but they called the investigators out there anyway just to be sure.
Eyewitness news is reporting that one of Orlando’s most prominent defense attorney’s, Mark Nejame has been called in about the case but he hasn’t decided it he will take the case or not. It was reported that George and Cindy Anthony met with Nejame at his office late this afternoon. Now I might not be the smartest person in the world but that sounds to me like someone is getting a little nervous.
Nejame claims that the Anthony’s only contacted him for advice and was not asking him to represent them or Casey. He said they only questioned him about the case related to Caylee and not anything about Casey. He wouldn’t disclose what advice he gave them.
“To be going through the loss of their granddaughter, their daughter in jail, it’s a lot. And then, nobody’s trained for this sort of thing, nobody’s trained. They’re regular, hard-working, good people and now their daughter in jail, their granddaughter missing, the media’s at their door every minute,†He told Eye witness news after his meeting with the Anthony’s.
The president of the Central Florida Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys, Richard Hornsby said, “If Mark would take over the Anthony case, it would be a great benefit from both the media and legal standpoint, because you know the right decision would be made,†said Hornsby.
Hornsby says that he believes that the Anthony case is so big now that it takes more than just one attorney to handle it. “If Mark’s firm were to be taking over, it would be like a team as opposed to a sole practitioner, which quite frankly this case needs,†he said.
Tim Miller was considering pulling out and calling off the searches Wednesday. Last night on CNN’s Nancy Grace Show he avoided saying directly that the Anthony’s were not cooperating with them in their search. This morning he told reporters that they have not been cooperating with him. They only had 30 volunteers show up this morning and Miller thinks it is because people are losing faith in the Anthony family. He said in fact he also is losing his faith in them and that is why he is considering pulling out. He says he is upset that Cindy Anthony keeps there is evidence that Caylee is alive and was given to a friend. If that is the case he wonders why she called and asked for his help and asked for his help. “If that is the truth, that she gave this child to a family to take care of Caylee, I’m upset because we have spent $28,000 for this case and we’re getting calls from all over the country that want our service that has a legitimate missing child,†he said to Eyewitness News.
Last night on the Nancy Grace Show, Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla said, “When the FBI, who has got some of the finest labs in the world, comes back with their DNA, it’s going to shock the world over something that Lee, Casey and Cindy have known since Wednesday when they released their preliminary findings. And also the dumpster a mile and a quarter down from the boyfriend Tony’s house is going to play a big part in this.â€
Padilla now believes that little Caylee is dead but thinks maybe it was due to an accident. He also thinks Cindy Anthony is in denial.
The more I hear about this story the more I think this is all a huge cover-up by the whole Anthony family. I know a lot of people out there feel sorry for the Anthony’s. I once did myself, but how can one honestly feel sorry for someone that screams to the public to get their asses out there and find her granddaughter. Cindy was going out searching after Casey was sent back to jail but how come she didn’t go out when Casey was at home?
Another thing that really bugs me is a statement Cindy Anthony said on the cameras when she was asked had she discussed with Casey after she got home about where Caylee might be. She stated that she hadn’t asked her daughter anything because she did not want to upset her. Duh! I thought that before Casey was bailed out that they all said they needed her out of jail so she could help them find Caylee. Now this is my opinion but I think they wanted her out of jail so they could all sit down and get their stories straight about what to tell the cops.
One thing that sticks in my head though was when Padilla said that Lee, Casey and Cindy were told something that would shock the world, how come he didn’t mention George’s name? Is he not included in this now? Cindy Anthony seems to make sure she is caught in front of the cameras again now that Casey is back in jail. She has lied over and over to the media and now she wonders why they think of her as they do. Cindy lies to the police just as much as Casey does.
I do have my own theory about all of this but I am sure not everyone would agree with me. I do not think the Anthony’s actually did anything to their granddaughter to hurt her in anyway. I do however think that Casey did something. Maybe not directly but if she didn’t do it herself I think she allowed someone else to. Perhaps she was too high to care. I think once she came down enough and she realized Caylee was dead she abandoned her car, notified her father who told her he would take care of it. This could be the reason she can keep such a blank look on her face when they ask her where her daughter is. Maybe she doesn’t know. Maybe her father took care of the body, after all George Anthony is an ex police officer. Who else would know better how to hide a body or cover up evidence in a homicide case?
I am not saying this as a fact. I, like thousands of others am just trying to put the pieces to this puzzle together. If we wait for the truth to come out from the Anthony’s, I am afraid we will have a long wait.
Jan Barrett
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackRemember in the 400 pg. report release Casey’s friend Amy said how the child would sleep through the partys that they had. Amy went on to say how Caylee was asleep on the couch and woke one time and stared at Amy then went back to sleep. Based on that and the current news of chloroform, It may be that Casey was using this on the child to keep her passed out while she partied. Possible the Grandmother as well, she is a nurse and may have access to chloroform. This case is getting more distrubing by the day.
I just thought of an interesting fact! And maybe this should be brought to the attention of the authorities down there too. Remember the case of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka? Karla worked in a vet clinic and was told by Paul to confiscate some of the chloroform to use on Karla’s sister and they wound up killing her in the end of the sick sexcapade. When the cops arrived there they made up a pack of lies about how the sister was not breathing and drank too much, but the cops could not understand the burn marks showing up around her mouth and lips. Evidently the rag they used the chemical on did this.
So if the authorities in Casey’s case get a memory jog of this case with Bernardo couldn’t they investigate to see wether or not anyone ever noticed any peculiar marks on Caylee’s face around her mouth area? It could help prove the sedation theory and also that she had been doing it ongoing for quite some time. I think someone down there should mention this post to them.
Wow! I think you might have something with George. I believe that Casey killed her daughter because she was in the way of her partying. When you put the fact that traces of chloroform were found in her car and then searches on her computer, there is only one conclusion. It sounds like the parents have made excuses for her her entire life. She is a spoiled brat and the parents have no one to blame but themselves. I am tired of the mom criticizing the media for not going out and finding Caylee when she says she has information about her whereabouts but can’t share it. It is just one lie after another with these people. I just hope they find little Caylee soon and put the whole family away!
I think little caylee is dead which is b.s. A innocent little girl. the chloroform being in the car only leaves me bad toughts I am just so upset this case has been bugging me I just wishing she would talk
Yanno Jan, I’m with ya on on this one.At first I felt sorry for the family but the longer this goes on the more I begin to question their motives. Don’t get me wrong, as grandparents I feel for the Anthony’s but other than that I cannot say. As for the Casey bit,I’ve been thinking the same thing too regarding her possibly not really knowing what happened to Caylee….but again,this has gone on for so long I don’t know anymore.
I just pray that they find Little Caylee’s body and bring her home so that she can be treated with the respect and dignity that she so deserves.
Where did Casey sleep for the 30 days leading up to her disclosure of Caylee being missing
Mom goes partying, gives Caylee chloroform to knock her out in the backseat of the car, gets drunk, passes out, doesn’t wake up until noon the next day, Caylee’s been stuck in the car in the Florida heat and dies. Ooops. Throw her in the trunk. Get rid of her so she doesn’t get in trouble. They will find out the truth – Casey’s lies are starting to unravel all around her and she’ll pay for this.
The Sheriff’s Dept. has repeatedly stated that George and Cindy had nothing to do with the crime and have been very cooperative. Inasmuch as they wish they or George had control over Cindy’s mouth, they don’t. Has anyone thought this may actually be a drug ring intent on tearing up the community, destroying confidence in the local police, and last but not least, destroying a family?
Trace, I was thinking of the same thing. Amy talked about the baby sleeping through the parties. My daughter wouldn’t have stayed put on the couch at two years old with a party going on around her! And we only have to wonder where Caylee was “sleeping” when Casey didn’t bring her.
This is just too far gone for me to even begin to contemplate that thought. I think there is way more yet to come from this family and come out in the wash. I also still think the covering for each other may have something to do possibly with Caylee being a product of incest within the family. Someone mentioned that early on and it could explain the mysterious missing father that noone can pinpoint. It just keeps getting more and more macabre every day with this case.
The police could also be saying that the parents are in the clear and cooperative, but secretly building a case of accomplice to murder against them behind their backs. I have too many in law enforcement in my family to know that they can come up with some elaborate smokescreens and red herrings when trying to not lead on the suspects or public as to certain things they are doing behind the scenes. And also you got to think they will be exceptionally careful given the fact that George is an ex homocide detective, because he is accutely aware of things happening. So to tell the family that they are in the clear and being helpful is not what it may really seem to be.
Reasonablevoice:
You must be kidding. Drug rings are too busy selling drugs to engineer some sort of smear campaign against a community. And George and Cindy HAVE NOT been cooperative. They do not participate in local searches, they destroyed evidence by washing Casey’s jeans, which smelled “like someone had died”, they tried to run off Equusearch, which is searching for a body, they promised to work with the bond man, then refused to speak with him, the list goes on and on.
jan I am with you. I think George knows what happened. I also thought it was odd given the Anthony public displays of rage that Casey never joined on the act while she was home. I mean that would have been the icing to have Casey angrily shouting at America to go find Caylee.
My view is that Caysee killed the little angel and the parents, did the disposition of the body. This makes caysee and the parents (incl brother) culpable. Both parties know that the other party is guilty of a crime, hence the lies and major cover up. By Cindy trying moving the search parties to Mexico, Texas and Puerto rico is shifting the resources away from actually finding caylee near their home.They are all guilty and their day will come soon
Kris:
I am praying you are right. Thanks for your insight.
How might I be exposed to chloroform?
Drinking water or beverages made using water containing chloroform.
Breathing indoor or outdoor air containing it, especially in the workplace.
Eating food that contains it.
Skin contact with chloroform or water that contains it, such as in swimming pools.
The anthony’s have a swimming pool, could it all lead back to her drowning in the pool???
There will be no chloroform in a pool, so that lie will not fly if the Anthony’s try to make the public bite that one. It would be used strictly inhaled as an anesthetic that I know of unless used for illegal purposes like in a meth lab to make drugs.
Well I pulled that Q&A from the internet when reading about Chloroform, it says it is in swimming pool water…..
I guess I was just hoping this was all one big accident that got out of hand instead of a innocent little girl being killed by the hands of her own mother
Not high levels as to what they found in the trunk. They said it was straight chloroform, and Casey’s computer had a search done on it that police found researching chloroform.
The drug ring doesn’t have to engineer a smear campaign Miss Jenny; the media does that for them for free. All they have to do is provide the shock factor, the rest just snowballs.
If I’m correct, then a grain of truth the size of a mustard seed would grow to the size of a stone just large enough to bring Goliath to the ground.
I still think they should look into the post I mentioned above the (Bernardo case) with the chloroform leaving a burn like mark on the lips and mouth. Casey’s friends did say that when Caylee would be out with her at partys that she would be extremely lethargic and sleep through just about anything. I think the authorities should ask the friends if they ever seen any suspicious marks around her mouth area. (my post above).
Kris, you make a valid point. Those people were sadomasochists. However, if Casey did this at a party in front of a lot of people then that says something about the company she keeps don’t you think. Amy seemed to express that it kinda bothered her that a small child was present when they were drinking at a party.
Yes, you do Kris but RV I doubt she would do it in front of everyone but rather right before she walks in (probably kept it in the trunk)? Would be interesting to find out if everytime monster arrived with Caylee, was she carrying a sleeping Caylee. I’m with Amy, and seeing the photos of those parties, it would bother me a great deal if she were present at THOSE parties and I would hope it would bother anyone.
Why would she use chloroform to sedate the child when a little liquor would do the same?
Hey Kriss just noticed you posted that same about the Bernardo case on Brians Dreams
Besides, little two year olds are like spinning tops, the go, go, and go as hard as they can then they just zonk out. Most parties don’t start until late anyway.
If it is found, as rumored and speculated, that Casey was a drug user it is unlikely that she could have been involved on a level that dealers would steal her child without some sort of ransom. It’s Florida, they are a bit busy for rearing children. Any speculation that drug dealers would take the time to keep a toddler alive under this level of scrutiny is preposterous. The child is likely dead either way, accident or not the responsibility for the safety of the child was with the mother.
Reasonablevoice:
Great job deflecting the point of my post, which was not to talk about the media, but to address Cindy and George’s total lack of cooperation. In fact, Cindy uses the same tactic–that is, replying to every question she is asked by deflecting to an unrelated topic. Did you not address my point because you think Cindy and George ARE cooperating?
as a grandmother of a beautiful 33mo old who is with us 90% of the time due to son being in prison and mom very young/naive, our granddaughter comes first. yes, we love our son and would die for him, but,….granddaughter would come first as she needs support, love, structure. as much as we love our son, we would never cover for him (his is bi-polar and has issues, non-dangerous kind, but they are there. cindy and george and lee need to practice what they preach, that their main goal is to get caylee back. instead they (mostly cindy) are hindering, procrastinating, and are also narcystic. casey will be found out soon and so will everyone else involved. the thoughts that run through everyone emotionally involved in this case are heart-wrenching and tim miller/crew, police are doing all they can with limited information. casey and family say they love their daughter/granddaughter and that she was given to a family….then go get her. they are all guilty of something, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, smells like a duck…. then ……..great theories here and wonderful posts. it is nice to know that little caylee has unconditional love from complete strangers.
Ummmm…maybe because you can smell liquor? I hardly think RV that even monster’s friends would condone giving liquor to a 3 yr. old.
To address your point Miss Jenny, all I know is that I heard a statement from the police department stating they were cooperating. What they tell the police and what they tell reporters may be two different things. I think Cindy may have exhausted Eccusearch because she firmly believes Caylee is alive. Tim Miller knows what it is like to have a daughter kidnapped and murdered; he got no help whatsoever from his local police when his daughter went missing. Cindy Anthony is a puzzle to everyone and probably always has been; that doesn’t make her guilty of a crime…at least not yet. She says and does things and may not realize her affect within the situation. They really are handling this on their own with no experience whatsoever and considering the time line they originally gave, well….good grief! I don’t understand why she didn’t let George handle it since he does have police experience. Perhaps she is just a natural control freak…who knows?
JMS, you make a valid point though I really don’t know much about the drug business or any subsidiary they may operate.
Reasonablevoice:
I agree, Cindy probably believes Caylee is alive. That’s what makes all of this so, so sad. She has believed what Casey has said for years and everything Casey says is a lie. That’s why I simply can not understand why Cindy would believe Casey this time. It just doesn’t make sense, don’t you agree?
By the way the scent that the cadaver dogs picked up on toda was a dead animal.
And, Mandi, you would have to have the child drink the liquor. Even if she could get her to drink it sometimes Casey needed more of a sure thing so her partying wouldn’t be interrupted. I had a heck of a time getting my daughter to take liquid tylenol at that age.
I guess that just goes to prove that cadaver dogs aren’t 100% reliable on picking up Decomposition.
I would not be surprised if Casey killed Caylee out of insane jealousy. Inside that family, Caylee probably got a lot of attention, love and presents, more than Casey and too much for narcissistic Casey to handle. Casey appears to be that kind of a sick individual.
The parents are definitely covering up for their daughter, I think, and donot see their daughter for what she really is.
I suspect Jose Baez cringes everytime Cindy opens her mouth in public. Maybe he wants out, hence they are looking for another pro bono lawyer.
jenny said:
“She has believed what Casey has said for years why Cindy would believe Casey this time”
An abundance of la-la land jibberish here. Are you people for real??????????
Well,Jenny, Casey probably does have some problems which is why she may have gotten pregnant and has had so many boyfriends. Usually these type of people hang out with others that make them feel like family, often getting into drinking and such. But, most of her friends firmly believe she wouldn’t have harmed Casey. I think if she did do this then it is because of what snookers said in a previous post.
Reasonablevoice:
I agree.
Crimefighter:
The point I was trying to make was that Cindy was clueless all those years Casey was lying. Now there’s documented evidence Casey had no job and had no babysitter. THAT’S why I can’t understand why Cindy believe her now.
chloroform is also used in making meth
I went back and looked at Casey’s emails to her friends. In one email she talked about a white party at Fusian. A white party is another name for a meth or cocaine party. Since, Casey is no dummy, she knew how the meth labs use chloroform when they make drugs. We all know she is a thief, so she probably either stole a bottle or paid for it with the money she stole from Amy. She then went online to find out how to sedate Caylee with the chloroform, so she could leave her in the car and party the night away. The police stated that they found abnormal amounts of chloroform in Caseys car. They also said there is other evidence to come out very soon.
Leonard Padilla was on Nancy Grace and implied that there is a dumpster that is close to Tony’s apartment that will play a role in the case. I personally think they found something like a towel or rag with chloloform in that dumpster with Caylee’s DNA on it, or worse found Caylee in a plastic bag. The police cn idenify the location at the land fill area where the dumpster was taken. In Florida the land fills are dumped in date piles.
The Anthonys’s are already shopping for a new defense attorney for Casey. I happened to know that law firm will not work pro bono, they are a top notch firm with big hourly rates. Jose Baez knows he can’t win this case because the evidence is mounting by the minute. On top of that he can’t keep Cindy’s mouth shut which is an attorneys nightmare. Lee seems to be the only one that might get through to Casey to just tell the truth.
I will pray that Caylee is brought home and laid to rest.
May there be justice for Caylee, and may she rest in the loving arms of Jesus.
It is also possible to detect chloroform when chlorine (swimming pool) comes in contact with bodily fluids…sweat,urine,etc..
Kris,
Just wanted to let you know that I had it out with Mrs. C last week. She memtioned you, and said how narrow minded you were, so I let her have it. I haven’t seen her since, have you?
I really do think it is Cindy.
I saw her a couple of days ago Catherine
No.
Chloroform is used to sedate.
Dakduke,
Was she in rare form?
Actually chloroform as many uses. It is even used in pesticide,
She just popped in mad e acouple of statements and left.
Dakduke,
What do you thnk of the chloroform found in Casey’s car?
Not sure. I think it depends on what comes out about the searches on the computer.
I’ll tell you the truth if they didn’t say that there were searches about it and that I have read that it is used as a dilution and for extractions and that a lot of forensics labs use it I would almost guess it could have been an error on their part.
LOL She is really making a fool of herself. It was funny in the beginning, but then she became annoying with her ranting. She attacked everyone who had a different opinion about the case. This is an open forum for adults to discuss this sad story of a missing child that most likely dead.
Very true.
Whose part, the FBI? It was in the carpet of the car. Do you think the FBI put it therre?
I’m not sure it was just a thought on it.
The FBI would not have put chloroform in the carpet of casey’s car. It is used for extracting DNA.
The FBI is a well respected lab. This is not the O.J. case, or the LAPD lab.
Time will tell, and in the end we sadly are going to have a dead chld to cry over.
I know I said it was just a thought.
The simplest answer is usually the correct answer.
why are people trying to come up with these huge stories.
Most people cant take a tragedy at face value. they have to come up with some far fetched story to explain why such things happened. 9/11 was a good example. all of these conspiracy theories to explain how two towers came down. in some people’s minds its easier to deal with tragedy if their is some amazing story behind it.
The simplest answer to this case point blank: Casey either purposly or accidently killed Caylee and got rid of the body.
Quit trying to come up with a story about drug dealers. When you come up with stories like that…you kind of start sounding like Cindy Anthony. Remember how cindy always has some ready made excuse for everything or comes up with the most outlandish stories? Besides, most of the time when something happens to a child, the parents have something to do with it. Not saying that is always the case but sometimes it is.
By the way…dont you think it is funny how cindy anthony is getting all of these tips….but somehow nobody is calling the police with the tips? If i had a tip…i would not call Cindy! Either Cindy is lying about these tips…or a lot of sick people are screwing with her.
cj, Are you educated with chloroform. I have read up alitle, nut I am no expert.
I am curious about yur thoughts regarding this matter.
Catherine I was just doing some research and that was where I found out about it used as an extraction. Was trying to find out how CAsey could have gotten hold chloroform especially anythign full strenght you just can’t buy it
Richard,
I agree with you. sometimes things are just black and white.
As far as calling Cindy with a tip, she would be the last person I would call. I would comtact the police.
Richard-spot on. From the first lie that came through Caseys lips it pointed right back at her.
Its sad, I hope the team does what they need to do to prove beyond a shadow if a doubt.
I believe they are being very careful to not make mistakes- like faulty cadeaver dogs and fumbling forensics that would mistake their own chemicals for the suspects. LOL.
It is interesting to read the wild stories. How I wish they could be true and not the horrific truth.
Dakduke,
I looked it up online and you can purchase it by the liter for about $ 75.00.
Really
And where did you find that info, because as far as I know its against the law to sell or buy.
Dakduke,
I just searched Chloroform direct, and up came some sites where you can purchase it.
As I said, I didn’t know that much about it, so I read up on it, and searched to see if it was available for purchase.
Dakduke,
You should know that everything is available for a price.
Yeah but still I don’t think she would go through all that trouble.
Oh, I disagree with that That girl would go to hell and back for something that she wanted.
I agree, Richard. I can see why one might have speculated a number of things….during the FIRST FEW DAYS it was being reported. But now there has been way too much proof she has lied over and over. As for Cindy and George, I can also under stand how as Caseys parents they could have not believed it was even possible for her to hide anything preventing le from searching for Caylee. But now it has been too long, too many lies, zero emotion, and recorded conversations of Casey and family where Casey shows her thoughts, her heart, her narcissism….!! As a Mom, I cant imagine being falsely accused from jail and even using one second of my calls defending myself at all or asking why mom and dad only cared about my daughter and not me…from a psychological standpoint…that last one is scary considering caylee was missing. Personally if the entire family was together and going about business as usual I think its in the least selfish and narcississtic. Considering that Caylee was missing for 30 DAYS or more doesnt that give you atleast a strong suspision that it was not only Casey harming Caylee but that it was on purpose?
It was on her laptop.
Catherine do you live in Florida
CJ, Totally agree.
Dakduke,
You know I do. i told you that before.
Dakduke,
So do you right?
Sorry I lose track of people. Well any way this isn’t related to the case but I think we floridians have a nother possible hurrican on the horizon (Ike), lookinglike he is heading towards Florida.
Dakduke,
I’m actually thinking about joining up with the Equusearch party to look for Caylee.
Good I think you would be a big help.
I thought he was heading for Georgia.
That one is Hanna
Feel like joining in on the search?
Unfortunately I can’t I have 2 kids to watch in the daytime while my wif works.
Oh your right, that is Hanna.
My only hesitation is I don’t want to be there if she is found. It would break my heart, and stay with me forever
Yes, Catherine. I am educated as far as a google search for chloroform. lol. I have been reading these post for some time..following the story..heartbreaking. This is just the first time I posted. I own an arts/crafts boutique store and have recently been involved with so many chemicals, ingredients and for each one there have been uses I never dreamed of for creating different things. So I googled it and posted.. But I was reading somewhere how bloggers had used investigative tools to narrow down the FACTS in a case. I normally try to stay away from news etc…so depressing. I just feel drawn to this.. Unless there is something they are not saying yet and there may be..it seems there is no progress. In my opinion, a large amount of this is from the grandparents. I dont think they are guilty of anything. But I do believe they are in denial maybe. And if they would consider the “possibility” Casey is lieing I bet there is something they could tell law enforcement that would bring justice for Caylee.
If things would havw gone as planned I would have already been back in that area, but am having a hard time finding a place we can afford.
I know what you mean
CJ,
Very interesting, I own a design firm in Florida, but I don’t really do crafts. Wish
i had the time, but I am too busy drawing houses.
I think Cindy will totally lose it, and end up in a mental ward. I am a mother, and I know I would just want to die if something like that happened to me. That part of me feels sad for her, even though she drives me crazy.
I believe but am not certain that you can buy chloroform. But it seems as if there is a license or a reason…such as a vet example…everything is “available” for purchase. If you were going to start a company that manufactured icecream you would find manufacturers of different ingredients easily. But in chemicals of a more serious nature..your company has to have certain licensing and possibly even employee people with certain credentials…if that makes sense. I believe chloroform may be one of those chemicals.
Cybersleuth..crazy question…but have you ever posted with that username in other missing person cases..that you can remember lol?
I think the Equusearch team will find her. The police have donated $ 5000.00, plames, and airboats.
Equusearch said, they are going to stay even if they have to dig up every land fill, and drain every lake.
Well, I need to get my beauty rest. Good night all.
catherine- yes I feel same way as far as searching. I do not live in Florida. And as much as I love the beach I am glad considering they are asking for help and I live hours away. As far as art..I feel the same way..too busy with business side of it.
now CHLORFORM in trunk??? used to get caylee out of the country??? a young mother carrying her sleeping child on a plane to Peurto Rico???
I strongly feel that Caylee was on the plane to peurto rico with caseys friends. I believe caseys friends agreed to help but things didn’t go as planned because there is alot of evidence surrounding the airport…casey was threatened if she told the media her family and caylee would be harmed…maybe casey wasn’t spending her friends money…maybe she was spending money from selling her child to someone in another country…her own friends delivering the child…cell phone pings putting casey in that area…her car was abandoned near the airport…friends traveling out of the country…I have 2 kids in college and they couldn’t afford to go to a neighboring state much less out of the country on school break…they panicked and had to stop the money trail so chose to accuse casey of stealing money that was actually partial payment to casey for her child…her friends panicked but I believe Caylee is alive…Peurto Rico is known for the baby market. She also had a friend who wanted to adopt Caylee but Cindy said no…the friend told casey she had the money to adopt her and was devestated when casey backed out because she couldn’t have children of her own…shortly after that her friend left the country to work on a cruise ship???
Cj
No I have never posted on anything relating to another missing persons case. I don’t usually post but this case really hooked me from the beginning. I did post once on another sight about this case.
There have just been so many things that are puzzling about this case, not Casey because I think her behaivor is textbook. But everything else. I admit that at the beginning I thought that Casey had only been involved indirectly like an accident or neglect- and panicked. But now I think her actions were more sinister. I guess the human part of me couldn’t fathom intentionally harming the child when she could have just left her with her parents and partied her heart out.
It seems like George and cindy were more than willing to take over the care of their grandchild if necessary.
There are a few things I am waiting to hear about. Like the missing cell records, the jail phone call to tony, forensics from shovel, etc.
wow cs..these are all great to pay attention to. love the facts.
I strongly feel that Caylee was on the plane to peurto rico with caseys friends. I believe caseys friends agreed to help but things didn’t go as planned because there is alot of evidence surrounding the airport…
(WHAT WERE CASEYS FRIENDS HELPING HER WITH IF THEY WERE ON A PLANE TO PUERTO RICO WITH HER CHILD?)
casey was threatened if she told the media her family and caylee would be harmed…(WHY WOULD SHE TELL THE MEDIA? WHY WOULDN’T SHE TELL THE POLICE AND TELL THEM THE TRUTH?
maybe casey wasn’t spending her friends money…maybe she was spending money from selling her child to someone in another country (THEN WHY DID SHE WRITE OUT AND CASH CHECKS THAT WERE SUPPOSEDLY HER FRIENDS WHO SHE BORROWED THE CAR FROM?)
…her own friends delivering the child…cell phone pings putting casey in that area…her car was abandoned near the airport…friends traveling out of the country…I have 2 kids in college and they couldn’t afford to go to a neighboring state much less out of the country on school break…they panicked and had to stop the money trail so chose to accuse casey of stealing money that was actually partial payment to casey for her child…her friends panicked but I believe Caylee is alive…Peurto Rico is known for the baby market. She also had a friend who wanted to adopt Caylee but Cindy said no…the friend told casey she had the money to adopt her and was devestated when casey backed out because she couldn’t have children of her own…shortly after that her friend left the country to work on a cruise ship???
IF CASEY AND CAYLEE LIVED WITH HER PARENTS THEN WHY WERE CASEY AND CAYLEE GONE FOR OVER A MONTH?)
why don’t Casey’s parents go after these so called friends of hers since according to them the police are doing nothing to look for Caylee? I sure as heck wouldn’t be waiting at home. I’d be looking for those friends any my grandbaby.
sorry previous post was in reference to breezesblue…
I believe that possibly Casey used CHLORFORM to put the little girl out while she went partying and then she gave her too much and she died. Maybe she was using it routinely so she could go party.
Hi from South Africa
Just been reading the info in the following SOS Phychic Search team site:
http://www.briansdreams.com/gale/cayleeanthony2.htm
Quite facinating.
The latest decomp hit was made by cadaver dogs that belong to a psychic who is searching. So as they say, “Don’t blame the dog. Blame the owner.” Besides the dogs did find decomp – it just wasn’t human.
I believe the police have interviewed all of Casey’s friends. Certainly the one(s) who went to Puerto Rico. Also it’s pretty easy to tell if a 3 year old child was on the same plane, isn’t it? And who the child was traveling with? Have to buy a seat for them at that age I believe. So I think those leads just didn’t pan out.
I think it’s funny (in a sick way, of course) that the police have donated $5,000 of drug forfeiture money to the search. I’m surprised that Cindy hasn’t asked for some of it since part of it probably belonged to Casey!
I was just remembering the beginning of all this. The 911 calls. Casey tried to talk her mother out of reporting Caylee missing by saying she’d take her mother to her the next day. It had been up to 30 days that Casey KNEW her daughter was missing but when her mother called 911 and the operator asked to speak to her Casey can be heard saying “Why do they want to talk to me?” She was stone cold from day one. And no info on park or so-called “script” or anything. And during one of the first jail house calls she says about the police “All they care about is finding Caylee.”
Self-centered to the nth and cold to the core.
Everybody’s bashing George right now. Maybe he deserves it I don’t know. But I understand that he wanted a divorce some years ago and also that he and Casey did not get along. Both of those things are to his credit! And imagine living with Control Queen Cindy all these years! My gosh!
as sloppy as Casey has been up to now with all her lies, leading police on wild goose chases, and leaving evidence of a dead body in the trunk of her car, I am wondering why it has been so difficult to find Caylee’s body. She’s not that smart; maybe her Dad (being an ex-cop) knew the perfect, untraceable way to dispose of the body. And now you don’t see or hear from him too much; Cindy is telling him to stay out of the limelight and keep his mouth shut. The family believes that if no body is found, the chance of Casey being prosecuted for murder is unlikely; that’s why they are so persistent that Caylee is still alive and is probably in another state. Cindy is almost manic about this. She knows she has lost her granddaughter, but she thinks that now at least she can have her daughter back (to have another kid for her to raise).
Also, this is sick, but I think there’s a possibility that George could be the father of Caylee; wasn’t there talk of a separation and divorce between Cindy and George after Caylee was born?
Did they ever ask Casey why she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor?
saw that chloroform causes miscarriages. Led me to wonder if Casey is actually pregnant and that’s what forced her to get rid of child number 1, before child number 2 comes along to ruin her fun.
When I heard about the supposed talk of divorce around the time Caylee was born I thought it could be because George would have liked to have the baby given up for adoption – especially since he had to know his daughter was a sicko/psycho at that point. But Control Queen Cindy is and always has been in charge of that household. And she insisted on keeping the child no matter what anyone thought. Casey’s friends even said that Cindy was the one who wanted to keep the child.
someone metioned that they read Casey emails to friend…where did you find those?? thanks
George & Cindy Anthony have/had careers where both took an oath. If one of them (well we already know Cindy tampered with evidence when she washed those clothes from Casey’s car) helped cover up Caylee’s disappearence, then they too should be charged and soon. From the moment Cindy Anthoy called 9-1-1 and related about the “odor” in the car it was she that started the ball rolling and the ball just keeps on. It is interesting to see this case unfolding on a daily basis with the likes of “she said, he did, no one know”. What a fiasco! It’s going to take a dream team defense to defend Casey Anthony, better hire 3 more attorneys.
This case has jsut broken my heart. I enjoyed reading everyone take on the case. I really don’t know what to think, there are so many theories that sound logical. The thing that gets me is from the beginning when Cindy A. called 911 a said “it smells like theres been a dead body in the damn car.” This statement leads me to think Casey told her what happened and her initial reaction was to call the police because she was mad and devastated that her daughter did whatever she did to little Caylee but spoiled Casey got them to cover for her and have been doing so ever since. I think they all know Caylee is dead but came up with a story that is just not adding up to cover Casey ass. But on the other hand, I think maybe the family doesnt know a thing just like the rest of us and is just in denial. I mean who wouldnt be, it’s their daughter and I can see where Cindy would kind of try her hardest not to believe it until a body is found. I definetely think Casey was very spoiled over the potentil attention Caylee got so instead of leaving her with her parents while she went out she used the CHLORFORM to sedate Caylee while she went out partying. Perhaps she used too much or used it too often that it killed Caylee????
I meant very jealous over the attention Caylee got, not spoiled!
This is a terrible thought but if the body was left for aligators, the body will never be found.
IF Cindy Anthony doesnt know anything, I can see where she would be in denial. I would be too :o/
Cindy washed clothing in car did George clean car with clorofoam to get rid of evidence?
or maybe Casey and boyfriend Tony tried to get rid of evidence
Y George? The search about cloroform was found on Casey’s computer. Maybe Casey cleaned out the car to get rid of the evidence. They did say a an unusual amount was found. Can cloroform be used for something like that?
so car was found close to a dumpster casey called dad because she ran out of gas. supposedly dad said he would take of the car.
i understand that cloroform helps get rid of or minimize dna.
wonderinwhy: you may be wonderinwhy because you aren’t up to date on the story. The Anthony’s received a registered letter from the tow truck company which was supposedly the first time they’d heard that the car had been towed. (The car is owned by Cindy and/or George but driven by Casey) And that was the night Cindy called 911 and said it smelled like a dead body.
Has anyone read exactly when Cindy washed the clothes from the car? Before or after she called 911? Supposedly George cleaned out the trunk (throwing out a white plastic bag) but was that when they picked up the car or later?
Does anyone know if chloroform is used in the movie American Psycho, the movie Casey’s myspace page claimed she was watching, along with the quote “everybody lies, everyvbody dies”?
mytwocents,
I read somewhere that George took the bag/other stuff out of the trunk at the tow trunk company yard. Possibly , the police retrieve it but are keeping that info close to their chest. The dumpster next to where the car was left by Casey, surely must have been emptied one or more times before the police got involved.
I think that the grandparents were crazy about Caylee(much to the chagrin of “me me first” Casey) and Casey used Caylee to punish her parents whenever she got p*ssed off at them.
Antisocial Casey obviously has serious mental problems. Amazing that her mom as an RN did not recognize them.I donot think that George or Cindy did anything sinister, they are just trying to save their daughter from a long jail time, many a parent would, and are very close to their breaking point. Not Casey though, nerves like steel, she is not wired like an average compassionate human.
WonderingWhy – that is exactly what I was thinking. They say that you can find chloroform in hospitals – maybe Cindy had access being a nurse.
Chloroform??? WTF? There can’t possibly be a reasonable explanation for this! Everyday, the findings just get worse. This really needs to come to an end – lock her up and throw away the key. There is no rehabilitation for this monster. Rest in Peace, Caylee – We’ll meet you at the end of life’s last day………
This really hurts my heart, to know that this family will most likely never get the proper closure they need to move beyond this tragedy. So many questions unanswered – only one person who knows what truly happened.
This just is not right……..
I bet she used that chloroform to knock her daughter out in the trunk of the car while she tramped around! And one day, did her in!!! Could it be possible that Zanny the Nanny is actually “Chloroform”?
I googled chloroform this morning and it is very very easy to buy over the internet. If Casey did buy some, the police will be able to track that purchase from her computer.
The Grandmother, Cindy Anthony is a nurse, she would have access to chloroform, as well as, knowledge of it. Even possible Casey stole it from where Cindy works. I stick by my frist post to begin with. Casey was using this to put the child into a “knocked-out” state so she could party, even knocking her out with chloroform and leaving her sleeping in the trunk while she went to the boyfriends house and spent the evenings either going to clubs or sleeping over his house. If you live in florida I beg you to help Equusearch to find this child’s body and help to convict Casey Anthony for her role in this childs death. The only way to insure that she will be convicted is to find caylee’s body and allow her to rest in peace.
Hi Debinsc: I would think so.. in fact, the information would be stored on her computer. I wonder just what kind of nurse her mother cindy is?
Does anyone watch Nancy Grace?
Last night, on her show, she had a caller call-in from Florida, by the name of Nancy.
This woman sounded A LOT like Cindy Anthony!!
Here are the transcripts from her show that aired 9/4/08 @ 5pm Live
NANCY, FLORIDA RESIDENT: Hi, how are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
NANCY: Actually, I have two quick questions.
GRACE: OK.
NANCY: I would like to know why Casey is being portrayed as the victim when it`s actually Caylee who`s the victim. Also, I thought that I had heard Cindy was a nurse. And if this was true, could she have had something to do with obtaining the chloroform?
GRACE: Does she have something to do with what?
NANCY: Obtaining the chloroform.
GRACE: Obtaining the chloroform.
OK, first of all, don`t — Nancy in Florida, stay right there. Who is portraying Casey Anthony as a victim?
NANCY: Well, it just seems to me that, you know, because she`s in protective custody and she continually lies one upon the other, the family, of course, is going to stand by her side, but Leonard Padilla and the Equusearch people and just many, many people just seem to be wanting to protect her.
She must be in danger, I`m sure, because of the threats, but I think the focus needs to be taken more off of her and.
GRACE: You know, Nancy, I think you`re right.
The arguments portrayed in this dialogue are the same arguments that Cindy Anthony portrays every chance she gets in front of the camera. Now here she is – trying to disguise her her voice ( keyword = trying )
I don’t know – maybe its just me – and this crazy case is taking its tole on me…..cray-zz
I do remember that conversation. However, I was most intrigued that Leonard Padillia said that he talks to Lee all the time.
Which tells me that Lee is trying to distance himself from his family in order to find the truth. He maybe the only sincere one in the bunch!
George and the tow truck guy threw the bag out while it was still at the tow yard. They were trying to figure out what the horrible smell was.
I agree with Richard. The obvious is usually what is true. Occam’s razor. The best prosecution in this case is to stick with the obvious facts, they paint a clear picture of what happened. Those who wish to defend Casey and the likes of her always come up with convoluted, conspiracy theories to explain away the obvious. It is a clear pattern used by all who practice deception. They try to create as much doubt around smokescreens and clouded issues as they can. It’s a well-known tactic to divert people from truth. Sad.
“If you clutter the truth with enough of what’s false, no one can tell what is real,” Dr. Schurman-Kauflin, criminal profiler.
This is what Cindy Anthony’s goal is.
Amy – I agree with you. I believe Lee is trying to distance himself from the “family” in order to obtain the truth. But I just fear that Casey is so upside down in her head, that we will never get the truth.
I believe cindy cleaned out the car after casey had been taken in for questioning or even after she was charged. I remember seeing on the news she made it sound like the police did not instruct her to not tamper with the car and it was in the driveway where they couldve gotten anything the wanted from it. Could be true, the police may not have been in top of the fact the car could have evidence in the trunk those first couple days. In fact the car was still at the anthony when the dogs hit on it. Which from memory was a day or so after casey arrest.
Rose/Amy
I dont think Lee is “distancing himself from family in order to obtain the truth”. Lee may be hiding cause he could be Cay”Lee’s” father. Notice how this all started after fathers day? How grandparents almost split up right finding out about pregnancy? How casey didn’t want to have the baby? How the real daddy is a mystery?
Just a thought i wanted to share…
Chloroform you can make…you don’t have to buy or get from a hospital. I think it was used to cover up or minimize any DNA evidence.
Just because you see chloroform for sale on the internet, does not mean that the average person can buy it. The chemical company selling it, as regulated by law, will thoroughly vet you, I believe.The chemical does have industrial/lab use so it would be easier for Casey(or her friends) to steal it somewhere. Am not into drugs so donot know if it is just another popular sniffing chemical.
callmecrazy – good point. I didn’t even think of it that way. Boy does that make the “plot” thicker……sik-o’s
This really does seem like a plot from a lifetime movie – but its not. And the sensationalism that stems from the media is repulsive. I just wish her body is recovered and she will be shown a beautiful departure from this world, as she deserves.
Especially since there was a significant amount found. I think she/they were majorly trying to get rid of any evidence.
desertrose,
Plot is way too complicated for average lifetime movie with their very predictable endings. More like the BBC mystery series like inspector Morse or Lynley.
cybersleuth,
Wow, major screw up on the car by the police. However, they thought they had a kidnapping on their hands, not a murder. Donot think Cindy cleaned the car with the purpose of eliminating evidence. Ditto for George. Leaving the car seat in the car might point to the fact that Caylee was dead already. Still puzzled why Casey left her purse though, purses normally have make up etc and she is obsessed with her looks, I think. Also puzzled why the towing company did not call the police if it reaked like a dead body unless that was only evident when opening the trunk.
what dates was info on computer for Chloroform research done?
dates of chloroform research were not disclosed. Not sure if that is even retrievable from hard drive.
touché snookers – way too complicated!
Chloroform has been banned as a consumer product in the United States since 1976.
Snookers – regarding your question about dates/times being retrievable from the hard drive – I believe all that info is encrypted into the drive…..she can’t lie about that one!
snookers,
Good point about the purse. that has puzzled me too. mabey she was going to try and act like the car had been stolen with purse in it? afterall she had to smell the stench. probably why she tried to cover it up with pizza.I agree if the tow truck driver smelled it too, he should of called police immediatly. I dont think any of us has a sick enough mind to really figure out why that psycho does what she does.
She can lie about it, and Cindy will lie about it, and they will have some cockamamie story as to why the dates are wrong, just like they do everything else.
At first i thought cindy was making excuses because she was in denial. but as time passes im certain she’s in on the cover up. her and georges lastest comments on the evidence of decomp coming from somebody else’s dead body just blew my mind! wow… imagine the chances of another dead body being in that car! these people are all nuts.I hope they find little Caylee and give her a proper burial. but at this point the family probably won’t except that either
1. “Zanny” the nanny could be Xanax, to keep the baby sleeping while Casey partied. Then later Casey discoverd chloroform.
2. Caylee talked about “the puppy” at the babysitter’s, per Cindy, but never about Zanny herself. Who’s puppy???
3. When Casey abandoned the car why did she leave her purse in it? She called boyfriend and he picked her up, and she told him that George would get/fix the car but a girl still needs her purse.
4. How did Casey connect a real live ZFG with Apartment #10 Sawgrass? She must have seen an application to look at the unit made out by ZFG. But whatever she saw, Casey did not know ZFG did NOT actually live there.
5. Casey did not carry the decomposing squishy stinky gooey body of a 30# dead child anywhere to dispose of it. She DROVE her car to wherever, and hefted the “package” out of the trunk into the dumpster/hole/?. But I will bet the remains are within 2′ of where the car could go. The body is NOT off the trail deep in the woods. She would not want to touch “it” anymore than need be.
Poor little baby.
Oh,my that Cindy woman. Released a statement blasting Tim Miller. Tim Miller, like Marc Klaas and John Walsh, are kind of untouchables in the public opinion. Not smart to negatively criticize them. Should bring more volunteer searchers out of the woodwork. Guess what Cindy , Equusearch has already a much better turn out today, your recent comments are probably partially responsible for that.
You just wonder about Jose Baez. He must feel like Zenaida Gonzalez. Why me, why did Casey e pick my name out of all the lawyers available. Guess what Jose, you name is latino sounding and Casey knows Mom does not like Latinos.
snookers
I have to agree that at that point I don’t think cindy realized that she was doing anything wrong by washing out the car. If she did, I believe she would have not admitted to it. I think casey left her purse because at that time I think she had a different ” plan” and hoped the car/purse/evidence would be stolen. I done think she planned on it being towed. I do think the interview from a tow truck driver that first spotted the abandoned car and did notice a slight smell but the business hadn’t gotten approval from corporate to tow it , I think another driver ended up picking up the car a few days later. I need to go back and reread, its hard to keep the timeline/ facts straight when we are discovering things out of order.
cybersleuth,
I wonder if we are crediting Casey with too much intelligence. The purse thing analysis would require some long term planning. She is more a (very experienced)fictional story teller after the facts.She made up too many other stories/lies that were easy to debunk. It did ,however, buy her time. She appears to have an intelligent criminal brain, devoid of very few emotions. I donot think she will crack and maintain her story or slighly change it to accommadate hard evidence.
Where’s the best place to park a smelly car?
Next to a dumpster. Passersby will think it’s the trash can not the car. Pretty smart really.
And/or Casey hoped the car would be stolen. Maybe that’s why she left her purse in it so it would be more believable.
Sadly I think Casey put Caylee in that dumpster and hoped the car would be stolen therefore losing the connection – I think she would have reported something else right away if the body had been discovered from that dumpster but since it was she decided to let it go and made up the nanny story to bide more time.
If only the Anthonys had played tough live and reported that car stolen from the day casey took off for ” business trip” in it without permission maybe she would have been caught red handed.
Dakdude: get your facts straight……the dogs didn’t hit on the animal, searchers found the decaying animal….NOT the dogs!
it’s easy to make assumptions of the chloroform and etc. BUT…..put ALL the facts of this case together (not just one fact at a time) and it’s difficult to see how one can NOT see the whole picture!
Maybe LE should be asking George and Cindy why there would be CF in the trunk? Perhaps its a known secret in law inforcement that is does indeed cover DNA , ( cause Cindy we watch TV too, ) and we know that bleach won’t..
Breezesblue: sounds like a reasonable theory but go back to all the facts, beginning on the cadaver dogs hitting decomposition in the yard and trunk of Casey’s car. THAT is compelling evidence no matter how else we paint the picture.
mytwocentsworth: George should have stepped up to the plate (as a man) years ago and maybe Caylee would still be alive today. Come on…..he’s an ex cop for pete’s sake. It’s not like he doesn’t know how to deal with “tough” people. He should have left cindy years ago……then he might not be involved with the whole mess (and be a suspicious party himself.)
Snookers: cover for your child when your grandchild is missing and your child was the last one to see her alive????????????? That’s what makes the parents as nuts as she is…..WHY ON EARTH would you cover for your child if you KNOW that SHE HAD SOMETHING to do with her disappearance whether it was intentional or not?????????
honestly, i’m pretty sure Lee, Casey’s brother, is Caylee’s father…
i read that on the DNA test of the hair found in Casey’s car showed Casey’s DNA… and it also showed the other half of Caylee’s DNA, or her father’s DNA, was identical…
it’s been reported that Lee has said that he and Casey are very close… closer to each other than with any other family member.
… it’s awful and disgusting, i know… but it would definitely explain a lot about that family… and the fact casey lied about the father dying in a car crash, and now won’t talk about who the father actually is…
casey is a compulsive liar and obviously something is mentally wrong with her… something is probably wrong with cindy mentally… lee is creepy and weird… and george is too distant.
cybersleuth: what if she left the purse in the car hoping that someone would see the purse……try to “steal” the car or something and then she could claim whomever stole the car…..killed Caylee?????? Or in a hurry, she forgot it (she had her hands full of groceries when her boyfriend picked her up) and she was in an awful hurry to get out of there……later she realized she forgot the purse but couldn’t make herself go back to get it??????
Snookers: dates are retrievable from the hard drive of a computer when searches are done. that’s just something the police are keeping under their hats!
Is it true that Casey might get out of jail again as soon as tomorrow? Did anyone else hear that?
interesting points today from our blog team…….wish we were all able to be there in florida to help search for Caylee!
haven’t heard that……someone would have to put up the original bond amount of $50,000.00 in order for her to get out again (since it was rescinded). The family did come up with the $300 for the new charges but she can not bond out without the original being paid too. I could be wrong but I believe that is what was said on the Nancy Grace show. Yeah…..I DO WATCH HER SHOW.
I saw a different clip (other than the first clip I saw)of where the protesters were having an altercation with Cindy. One lady, Ms. Gonzales, made the statement that it was a well known fact that Casey was into Ecstasy. If it were a well known fact, then why hadn’t we heard that before? And, if it were a well known fact,why was she attending the vigils if she thought Casey had already killed Caylee?
watched Nancy Grace tonight and am sick on my stomach; some weaselhead is bailing Casey out of jail and wants to remain anonymous! This individual believes Casey’s constitutional rights have been grossly violated! I wish to God that the searchers would find Caylee’s body so they could charge Casey with murder; right now the “expert lawyers” on the show don’t believe the police have enough evidence to charge her. And what about Cindy and George hiring a “criminal defense” lawyer to represent them, not Casey! Why would they need a criminal defense lawyer to help them with the media? Things are getting so out of control, I am getting sicker by the minute! The whole family is psychotic and deranged!
(I’ll be glad when the political conventions are over, so Greta van Sustern will be back on. She seems to have the best coverage and she doesn’t berate her guests like NGrace does.)
NGrace did say that her producer was able to purchase chloroform over the internet in about 10 minutes! I wish I could go down to FL to help with the search! If I see Casey one more time with that “Help find Caylee” shirt on, I will throw up.
I believe more and more that Cindy and George knew all along that Casey did something bad to Caylee. I think Casey has her parents wrapped around her little finger and is holding something over their heads. I think Cindy and George are afraid to stand up to Casey as they have always been. I feel that if I am correct Cindy and George are just as guilty as Casey is. George has a lot of experience with the ins and outs of CSI’s from his career in Law Enforcement. He knows what to do and what not to do. Cindy lost it for awhile when she called 911 and expressed that the car smelled like a dead body was in it. I believe she and George both knew whose dead body it was. They are trying desperately to cover their tracks and lies.(the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree). The first time I heard the conversation between Casey and Cindy and Caseys mouth almighty I said that if she was my daughter I would have knocked her against the wall. Again the Anthony’s are afraid of Casey. Casey stole money from Cindy many times per Cindy. That is Cindy’s fault she should have put that little brat in her place the first time she robbed her. I pray that Caylee is alive and that I’m wrong about this but things are just not adding up. I’m sad to say that they may never find Caylee’s little body and from the mess of things and Casey getting away with everything she has so far she may never be prosecuted for the death of her daughter. (she will get a way with murder)
The more “characters” that get added to this already bizarre case, only confuses the situation even more……exactly what George and Cindy WANT to happen! Those that are in it for the fame and fortune….SHAME ON YOU! I believe Tim from Equuasearch is truly the first person (outside the authorities) that really came in to help “solve” this case. THAT’S why Cindy wanted to give him the “boot”. I think he was getting too close to finding Caylee and she wanted him to go home. I hope I’m right and I hope his team finds Caylee. I wish it were alive…. but that’s a little unrealistic at this time. Dear God: please help this team to find Caylee so she can be put to rest.
I tried to leave my comment yesterday. I saw it once and then it must have been deleted. Why, I don’t know. I wrote nothing improper or indecent, no curse words. So why BNN?
Beth, try it again. that has happened several times and believe it is a glich somewhere. This website has about 5 different blogs going on so maybe it got sent to one of those blogs by some mishap????
I think is is high time to get this pycho back to jail. There is enough circumstantial evidence to convict her. There is no jury that would not hear all the lies, wild goose chases and forensics that would not convict her. Who out there who has heard the case so far think she is innocent? Is there one person out there who gives her the benefit of doubt? If you are out there please let me know.
sher-sher said,in September 5th, 2008 at 2:55 pm I think is is high time to get this pycho back to jail. There is enough circumstantial evidence to convict her. There is no jury that would not hear all the lies, wild goose chases and forensics that would not convict her. Who out there who has heard the case so far think she is innocent? Is there one person out there who gives her the benefit of doubt? If you are out there please let me know.
Her name is Mrs. C…and she was in another blog posting on behalf of the Anthony’s or someone that is a friend or advocate.
Well, this Ms.C might be Cindy and she will not be asked to be on any jury. Who in their right mind would not convict this psycho liar wannabe celeb.
She left a post today in the afternoon under the blog below I think somewhere between 2-3pm…Screaming at everyone to leave her family alone! Could be her..but maybe not too. Noone knows for sure. But you can check it out if you’d like.
http://www.bloggernews.net/117609#comment-560697
I would venture to guess it’s not Cindy Anthony in this blog……..she’s too busy doing tv shows! It’s someone who’s trying to stir the pot. If it was Cindy, she’d have said something like “in my gut feeling, you all need to leave us alone…” or “stop bothering us, we want to enjoy our pizza!”…….
There was a psychic recently who stated something about a parts store. I heard on the news someone who works in a automotive shop parts store said he can get chloroform through the parts store.
I found somthing about what the automotive parts guy said about the chemical
Methyl chloroform
(1,1,1-trichloroethene) very widely-used solvent; in many workplace and consumer solvents, including auto repair and maintenance products
The Mrs c in the other blog is not Cindy A.
The blogger wrote: “Leave it up to the authorities to find my granddaughter!!
My daughter is innocent!!”
The real Cindy hates the authorities and doesn’t even believe the forensics evidence. Trolls like that blogger need to be ignored (which means I should not have written this).
Also it is very important whether they found chloroform in a stain or in the air. If it was in the air then it was the pure form of chloroform which no one has any business having. If it was a stain then maybe it could have come from a cleaning solvent. I believe I read that it was found in an air sample.
The police went to the Anthony home at 2:45 A:M: this morning, and removed something from the wheel well of George Anthony’s trunk. Anybody have any thoughts about what this is all about?
The informatiom was from the Orlando Sentinal newspaper.
Mytwocents,
It was reported that the chloroform was in the air.
hmmmmmmmm Does anyone think Tony the boyfriend is involved? Did he know that Casey had a child when she moved in with him?
everyones focus has been on anthony family when at the same time he could have been getting rid of a body and evidence. Remember he lied too.
I wish to repost this if noone saw it the first time:
Kris said,in September 3rd, 2008 at 9:07 pm I just thought of an interesting fact! And maybe this should be brought to the attention of the authorities down there too. Remember the case of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka? Karla worked in a vet clinic and was told by Paul to confiscate some of the chloroform to use on Karla’s sister and they wound up killing her in the end of the sick sexcapade. When the cops arrived there they made up a pack of lies about how the sister was not breathing and drank too much, but the cops could not understand the burn marks showing up around her mouth and lips. Evidently the rag they used the chemical on did this.
So if the authorities in Casey’s case get a memory jog of this case with Bernardo couldn’t they investigate to see wether or not anyone ever noticed any peculiar marks on Caylee’s face around her mouth area? It could help prove the sedation theory and also that she had been doing it ongoing for quite some time. I think someone down there should mention this post to them.
I know Cindy knows way to much. Last night on an apppeal you could feel her disassociation from her grandchild when she called her “this little girl”. Has anyone seen Cindy cry one time. She is unemotional as Casey. I will say that Casey sticking with her story of the nanny taking Caylee gives her someone to blame for murder 1. One of Cindy’s 911 calls was to have Casey arrested for stealing. I think that was minor compared to her grandchild missing for 30 days. Why did it take Cindy 30 days to get upset about Caylee missing. Any respectable grandmother would of known this after a week or two. Why did she wait so long to go to Tony’s apartment. Evidently she knew where her grandchild was and could of went there the 1st week and then realized she was missing. And the stupidest thing I heard from Tony’s roomate last night was that they heard her keep saying Caylee was with her nanny. Is her boyfriend and roomate short on brains or what. How could a woman making near minimum wage afford a nanny? My first question the police and the roomate should of asked was “how can a high school drop out afford a nanny”. A deadbeat mother who sponges of her parents and does not live on her own can not afford a nanny.
kris, I read your last post about the chloroform you wrote…
Unfortunately they haven’t said much more on the topic…
But, what they are more concern about are the rights for the Anthony’s….
Give me a break.. I think that the crowds surrounding the Anthonys should be bigger and louder…. Scare tactic..I’m for it…
Did you see lately that Cindy has another spokes person… Is this where the new defense website donations are being spent on? What a joke! Who would be so stupid to donate?
If you’re that desperate to put your money towards a good cause, by all means put it towards a missing child that police have no evidence that the child is dead…
And if that doesn’t matter, at least to the familys of missing children that show some true emotions….
Who cares if Cindy has another spokesperson…
All this talk for a missing child is all for a show,… The only playing card that the Anthonys have for Casey is that they know where the body is…
Your right Sherri, Cindy has contradicted alot of things she said in the past…
Cindy said “Casey stoled my car.
Retract “No, it was for the police to come”
Cindy said “Smells like a dead body in the car”
Retract ” It was a two week old pizza”
Cindy said “Smells like a dead body in the car”
Retract “It was cleaning supplies, old trash”
Cindy said “There was no evidence found”
Retract ” That is not Caylee hair”
Cindy said “There was no evidence found”
Retract “Someone planted another dead body in car
Cindy said “There was no evidence found”
Retract ” Its pissy and poopy diapers left in car”
Cindy said ” Zany the Nanny has took my Caylee”
Retract ” Someone Casey trusted took Caylee”
Cindy said ” Someone casey trusted took Caylee”
Retract ” we have to keep looking for this little girl”
Cindy do you really think you need a spokesperson now? You pretty much hammered the nails in yourself..
Casey and to the family if you read this. I want you to know that you are in my prayers. I pray that Caylee will be found soon. I pray for you Casey that you will stop the story telling. Maybe you have low self esteem or feel so unprotected and unloved that you build on these lies to make yourself feel better I don’t know but our Heavenly Father knows. He knows your hurts and the things that have happened to you in your life more than anyone. I know that you are a good person you’re just scared, lost and confused and more than ever right now. You are still God’s child and He loves you no matter what, you have to believe this more than ever especially now,but you need to STOP building on these lies and go to God and ask Him to help you get out of this mess you are in. Open the door to Him because He is knocking and wants to help you but you have to ask HIM. It doesn’t matter what you’ve been told or what you believe HE is REAL and true to His word. There isn’t anything that HE cannot do. He will help you. I promise you. I know that you love Caylee and what ever happened to her whether she was trully abducted or there was an accident or something else so terrible and horrific that you are trying to block out you have to help her. She is God’s little girl too just like you are. It has to be terrible feeling like everyone is so angry with you and Maybe you feel like you will never be able to get back to a normal life. God is your only way out and your only way back to a normal life a better life than normal and a life better than you can imagine and He will help you because His word is true. Jesus said over and over again “do not fear” ” don’t be afraid”. He is waiting for you to ask Him to help you.He wants you to TRUST HIM He loves you Casey and He knows you better than anyone. I wish I could share with you the miracles that have happened in my life.Disasters in my life that I couldn’t undo myself neither anyone else (human) HE turned everything around for the good. Things only God could do.He is our only Refuge our only hope and our only Fortress. psalms 91 I will continue to pray for you that through God you will have the strength to help you and Caylee because in doing that you’re life will change for only the better.He will give you peace that only He can.
Anyone in here?
I’m here, IQ… Roll call time..
Here!
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It will take a minute. We left good instructions how to find us.
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Yippie a clean slate to work from…
ok i posted on other blog but don’t think anyone seen it so i’ll go again…thought flies liked soft moist rotting stuff to lay eggs in not a hard shingle of stale pizza
We have not heard from Catherine, Kris, or BumpOnaPickle tonight.
if anyone has ever noticed stale pizza in a box is dried out and hard, not what maggots could easily exist on, nor what flies would lay eggs in am i right/wrong ???
IQ i haven’t either but i came on a little late they may have been here earlier
Here,sabrina meat on pizza was cookedso no i don’t think that maggots where there, besides you would have to have flys in the trunk to lay eggs and they would have died fast because of heat and no air
snookers said wonder if maggots can be analyzed.
yes the sure can and can tell a lot, but you need flys to get maggots and no report showed there were flys or maggots, i think if there was a smell of a body, the body was only in there a short time then moved – so with that the body was moved two times
police would have notice dead flys in trunk
I think maggets could get into any food. I saw them in a box of cream of wheat once.
I don’t think that stale pizza and a dead body have the same smell.
easy going i believe you’re right about body being moved
I have left pizza in a box on the porch for a week. It just dries out to a leathery piece of nothing
as well flowerchild both easygoing how could flies get into the trunk if the cayle had been in trunk all along
I don’t think we’ve seen BumponaPickle in a couple of days have we?
Also, Concerned in Texas… I wonder how she’s doing since she had to evacuate last week. I hope all is well with her and she gets back with us real soon.
gum shoe exactly i have pizza in a box on counter over night and it’s like a dried up hard shingle dehydrated, the dogs had a hard time chewing it lol
easygoingmom.
THe employee at the towyard reported seing pizza , maggots, other stuff in the bag that george took out of the trunk. George opened the bag, then it got thrown over the fence and later retrieved by the police . It shows in their evidence report.
yes death has it’s very own smell one hard to forget,smell death before in nursing home when patient had grangrene of the leg dead rotten flesh,but resident stii alive, very gross smell
easy,
there was a report about flies in the trunk from the tow guy. He stated that when the trunk was opened flies swarmed out. George took a bag of garbage out of the trunk and flung it over the fence. It was later recovered by CSI.
Cindy didn’t make up that there was a bag of garbage in the trunk. What was doubtful all this time was that it was a pizza in a pizza box (as she stated on camera) that drew all the flies.
perhaps they are evacuated from tx might be some time befor we hear from them news said earlier could be up to a month for lights to be back on, i too hope they are well/safe
when a body decomposes at what stage does it smell, smell bad enough to notice?
flys get anywhere they want to, had some old raw meat in a closed lid garbage can and they got in…..yuck! thank goodness for men who can clean up anything…..hehehe
there was no pizza….another lie, why would you have a pizza in the truck? we have all been or know the type who’s car is just one huge dumping ground, but why would you put a pizza in trunk, she didn’t seem the type to be a ‘messy’ person
My best friend is a Doctor and I asked him this question and he said, no maggots would be on the pizza since a pizza if cooked… besides, peperoni (sp) is just like salami… its a dried cure meat..
therapist, I haven’t seen Concerned in TX in a couple of days. Haven’t seen Pickles today. She was here last night
that leeads me to believe caylees body wa layed out somewhere then placed in the trunk after the flies were already on the body, that is the only way i can see the flies getting into a closed car trunk
There were flies in the trunk… she kept caylee in there for a long time..
if the tow company open the trunk is that when george said overpowering smell of death, and did the tow guy smell it to
watching rerun of NG–will see if NeJame says ‘simple-minded’ or ‘simple’ grandparents (I didn’t catch it first time, either)
To all a good night,
I have to get up early tomorrow so I must call it a night. I will check in tomorrow at this blog 117595.
Sabrina, that would then parlay with the theory that she kept caylee in the back yard of her parents house.. when did her parents go on vacation?
it would depend on the weather temperature etc… for the body to start decaying and smelling bad, but in fla i bet it would take only a day or two three at the most
flung the bag at the tow place? from that time to time csi found bag, how long was that?
were the bones and clothes found during search?
amy did you mean no the maggots would or would not be on the pizza if it was cooked
bye bye IQ…amy i think cyborg casey left caylee somewhere not sure where but probably didn’t want to be bothered with burying her right probably had a date or wanted to party, so went back later befor parents got home and got caylees body
I don’t think that there is any chance that Cindy tried to clean the trunk stain with chloroform, do you? You can tell that she’s very clean about everything. I’m sure LE asked her that and since they told us she washed the pants, I’m sure they would have said that she was the one who cleaned the trunk.
All agree, Some agree, One agree, None agree?
yes if there were flys in there then the body was in there for a long time, i thought they were just going off the smell alone
I looked up decomp process. It said maggots are the first invaders of all body crevices within 0-2 days.
That’s why I also think body was originally ditched at once, then moved later. But I think it was placed in 3 places(besides the trunk), not 2.
Good night, IQ!
she could have left her in back yard or in garage knowing her parents were gone so need to worry with desposing of the body for a period of time, would explain the maggots
Night IQ
it would only take a day for the body to start breaking down,specially in a close heat atmosphere, second day more seeping body fluids
Flowerchild, correct, that is what he said… raw meat would create the maggot effect… pizza would just dehydrate, get hard and shrink…
i agree mmt, i don’t think C would have made the 911 call either if she knew then what she knows now
Gumshoe,
Cindy was not there when george opened the trunk. Cindy was in the office arguing about the bill.
I believe that george drove the car home , then went to work. When Cindy inspected the car at home , the bag with pizza was already thrown out. She did not hear till later when she talked to George that he took that bag out at the tow yard.
That is how it happened I think. Cindy did not make up that pizza story.
sabrina, given florida’s hot moist weather.. perfect environment for flys and larva
right flower child or if it were left in cool water like swimming pool body would float eventually and atract flies
rigor mortis: after 3 hr start, max stiffness after 72 hr
gradually dissipates until approx. 72 hr
10-day – flys
50 day start to bones
http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/index.htm
brief of what i found
hmmm more food for thought, if george got out the pizza, then makes me think he got into the care and smelled the odor then got out to check the trunk, he has to know what a dead body smells like
MMT, i sure cindy might have cleaned the car with cholorform, trying to get rid of dna evidence, still don’t know who was doing the searches for cholorform yet, but did hear her say on stand casey and her where on the computer before casey got arrested the first time setting uo website to search for caylee if that was true
Amy, the Ants were on vacation the week of the 9th so Caylee was still alive when they got back.
That’s why I think she killed Caylee on 6/16. When G saw the monster and Caylee leave the houose on the 16th, she probably came back after he left for work and did her dirty work.
She may have thought for a second to bury Caylee in the backyard but then knew that Cindy would be home from work soon and would see things not quite right in the backyard. So she put Caylee in the trunk and drove around with her for a couple of days. I don’t think it was more than two days… but, of course there is no way to know for sure right now.
The best thing for LE would be to find what’s left of Caylee’s body.
These eggs hatch and move into the body, often within 24 hours. The life cycle of a fly from egg to maggot to fly takes from two to three weeks.
I agree Cindy didn’t clean the trunk with chloroform. I don’t think she cleaned it with anything. But there was some cleaning agent in there (that she blamed part of the smell on–cleaning agent mixed with rotten pizza) So Casey tried to clean somewhat. When she saw what a monumental task that was, she ditched the car.
I think Cindy was in total shock after the car was returned to the house. I can’t say if I believe she didn’t know she was washing evidence though when she washed the pants and knife. Because she said she called the cops and told them 3 times to come get the box of stuff she had taken from the car and they didn’t for a few days. I tend to believe she ‘straightened’ things up, even if she didn’t clean the trunk. And whether she did it intentionally, I don’t know.
I think I mentioned before way back, that when my grandbaby died in my home, I went and made coffee with the other grandbaby on my hip. I was on ‘auto pilot’ as someone said. Maybe that’s what Cindy was doing
I thought she had a hatch back?
I think C&G knew what was up… they’re knee jerk reaction was to fix their daughters mistake..
Gumshoe,
I also think that the body of Caylee was moved three times First buried at the Ants house somewhere in the backyard on the 16th.
Dug up on the 18th and buried /idden somewhere that same day. Retrieved after the 24th and buried/hidden somewhere else before the 27th of June.
so that cyborg drove around eating piza with her dead childs body in the trunk ! SICK ! then through the pizza in trunk after burying the body ? gags me
humm, mmt… any word if L, had scene momster during her hideous?
Hi all, the sandman is calling me…
Have a wonderful evening an look forward to seeing you all in the AM!
Ciao!
omg who could handle a dead decaying stinking loved on so many times it would be oozing and dripping all over you who to do that with out wretching for a week and periodically throughout life span
Hi gals..what’s up?
Been reading and trying to play catch up but doesn’t seem like there’s much new happening in the case lately….
Gumshoe,
Cindy was not there when george opened the trunk. Cindy was in the office arguing about the bill.
I believe that george drove the car home , then went to work. When Cindy inspected the car at home , the bag with pizza was already thrown out. She did not hear till later when she talked to George that he took that bag out at the tow yard.
That is how it happened I think. Cindy did not make up that pizza story.
*****
yes, snookers–that’s what I meant–maybe didn’t say good enough. George I am sure told Cindy about the bag of garbage. But she was on TV telling reporters as she was walking away from the couthouse that there was a bag of garbage in the car.
I didn’t mean she had seen the bag.
what you said is correct
ok gnite amy
hi mandi, nope no new news yet
snookers,
three times moved theory: yes, I agree
snookers, you don’t think that C&G would have noticed if there was something dug up or dirt disturbed in their backyard? C&G seem like the kind who would be in their backyard often.
And…unless LE is keeping something from us regarding the backyard, they said there was only one “indentation” near the swimming pool. Nothing under the play house or sandbox that I heard of.
well we can say for sure a dead body was in that car,george the body in the car,cindy maybe someone else out a dead body in the car, smells like a damn dead body in the car, they know if it wasn’t caylee who was it? the police should be asking them that and who they thought the dead body was
moving the body once is to gross to think about three times is unimaginable , but i guess i could see the cyborg doing it
Hi Mandi… nice to have you back!
have they looked anymore into the back yard and that new slab?
as for back yard if even aske by C&G cyborg could say bamboo shoots
Good night Amy. It’s 1:30 here in Michigan…. YIKES
therapist,
if a dog hit on the backyard, do they hit on decomp after just a few hours of death?
if not decomposed yet, then placing the body in the yard, even to lay it down and then change her mind, then the dogs wouldn’t hit, right?
geez–I’m confusing myself.
Hi Therapist, Sabrina…thanks!
My son came for the weekend so I haven’t been blogging because I wanted to spend the time with him…
I did see that Cindy is up to her same ole, same ole, mugging it up for the cameras!….
hi mandiand yes MMT the LE is holding back a lot of things, i think they are waiting for the bones and clothes to be confirmed
gnite mmt
nevermind—the shovel was borrowed days later-the body would have been decomposing
The towyard employee mentioned the smell to George and that is smelled almost as bad like a car he picked up a while ago in which a man committed suicide but was not found till 4 days later. George made no comment. All in those 400pages report.
I read Cindy was “weeding” Saturday during the day and then at it with her hammer again midnight Sat. night….Hmmm…does anyone else think she likes confrontation just a little bit? I mean, there’s almost no one there during the day on weekdays, I would think she would do these things then to try & avoid confrontation…that is of course if she didn’t enjoy it….
i don’t think a body has to be totally decompose before the dogs hit on it a body starts leaking fluids maybe a day after death
the body releases fluids the moment of death and more as time goes on, i know how this sounds and i’m sorry, but a person dies and their bowles and bladder opens that very moment and a little sweat on skin, some if drowned when pulled out of water some will come out of nose and moth, so if these fluids spilled onto ground then it would become rancid
I’m going to be the oddball here and not go with the three times buried theory. I don’t believe the monster succeeded in burying Caylee in the back yard. I do think that Caylee laid dead in the backyard then was put in the trunk as I mentioned before. But, it’s
Just a feeling I get when I’m trying to imagine what the monster would do, knowing her parents would be home later that day.
yeah mandi and loves the cameras too
well i must say goodnight to, first day back to work after a three week vacation i feel like my butts been kick see you tommorrow, keep me posted and leave me a link if you move
yes i think cindy aka grandmomster likes the attention of a confrontation, if you have all this attention going on why would you even step outside for any reason.
grandmomster can’t get any air time so she knows the web cam is on, and that’s her air time, because you know it will make news…. grandmomster loves the camera’s
I’m with you Therapist…I think she TRIED to bury her in the backyard but found it harder to dig a hole (hence the one disturbed area of soil) but then placed her inside the sandbox with the cover on it until she could figure out something else to do and then placed her in the trunk….then of course, it’s everyone’s guess where she is now. But three times, I don’t think so….IMO
Gumshoe, to my understanding a body starts to breakdown immediately after death and gives off a scent. Probably not one that humans can smell but dogs yes.
mmt i prefer your idea better than the three times buryal, three times is just so gross…i just wonder did she have help if there was a third time
gnite flowerchild
no, therapist–I don’t believe buried 3 timess–just body *moved* 3 times–
1. laid in yard to bury, but not buried (back to trunk)
2. possibly blanchard park (then retrieved)
3. dumpster maybe or wooded area
Agree Easy going mom, but remember there’s the “Sunday night Cindy Anthony hour” every week (the candlelight vigil charade) with guest stars, Lee & George Anthony….I for one think she needs a new line-up…
Nite Flowerchild….
sabrina… lol… I’m not going to bed yet…was just saying good night to Amy and telling her how late it is here. I think Amy lives in California, doesn’t she?
moving the body to back yard, wouldn’t that be too open of an area to conceal a body laying on the ground or moving from backdoor to back of yard
can the side neighbors see into the backyard?
i know humans are different but i seen a dog get hit by a car ahead of me, the poor thing layed there for days and each day was more bloted, one day just infront of me it exploded all over a truck, wouldn’t a human be the same way ??? the skin begins to slip off etc…seems it would be very horrible to handle a dead body
oh ok mmt sorry i thought you were headed, glad you’re gonna stay
Sabrina,
All of us here have normal compassionate human brains. We cannot think or feel( or rather unfeel) like monster. Dead oozing bodies would not have bothered her.
As to things being messed up in the Ants backyard when you have an almost 3 year old around, you never know what they will be doing or digging. Besides it was 4 weeks ago.
I also donot think anything is under that slap. The two cadaver dogs would have alerted their handlers to that spot and digging would have commenced right away . Those dogs are very very good.
Night Flowerchild, pleasant dreams!
easy going the back yard has privacy fence
therapist, tell me your theory again. (I know I read it on one of the other blogs, but I have forgotten)
i understand what you’re saying snookers, it is to much for us to wrap our minds around, but then we are normal
if cindy is holding sunday night sing-a-longs then why not have the two guards on hand, not once did they come out why the guards were there
i really can see momster moving her three times, let alone touch her once after ‘it’ happened
could something have been washed off with garden hose in back yard?
these are public places you say she has taken the ‘body’ too and yet no one seen anything
i think after ‘it’ happened she put the body in the trunk, when to home, backed in, thought twice – maybe at that time got shovel, drove somewhere else and dumped the body – hence moving/touching only once other than putting her in the trunk….just my thought
i won’t even look at a person in a coffin, i prefer to remember as they were at the last time i seen them alive
Oh… I get you now Gumshoe.
But, if I’m not mistaken the dumpster theory was checked out by LE and nothing came up. Cadaver dogs didn’t hit on anything in the dumpster (and with it being closed, even after a month the dogs could pick up a scent.) They even found where that trash was hauled to from the dumpster and LE checked out the landfill site with the dogs. Nothing there either.
i can see that easy going at least for cyborg b*tch
did the search stop at the airport? when did she pick up her friend at the airport? what time frame was that?
According to their shovel neighbor , they do have a very high fence. He even said maybe 10 feet LOL. More likely like 6/7 feet.
I also meant moved three times Gumshoe. Burying is manual work, Monster does not like work. Might break her nails off.
I just cannot believe, she would drive with a body in that trunk from 6/16-6/18 thru 6/27. Besides george opened her trunk on 6/24 to take the gas cans out. He surely would have seen or smelled a body.
another thing I don’t understand is–if all searchers have left because , as some of us think, they have evidence they are testing and therefore no need for TES to be here any more, then why are there searchers at the college since TES left?
Maybe just looking for additional evidence but not a body?
Finally had a chance tonight to hear the interrogation audio tapes and I must say KUDOS to those detectives. They were as polite and well mannered to monster as they could be given the circumstances…how frustrating must it be to have someone sit there and lie, lie, lie thru their teeth and you KNOW they are not telling the truth after you’ve been on as many wild goose chases she sent them on….I think they did an EXCELLENT job and I commend them. Cindy said they didn’t give her a chance to speak…LOL…I believe they gave her every opportunity to correct her story and yet she continued to lie and still does to this day.
i heard caver dogs hit on back yard the last i heard on NG the back yard was cleared , shouldn’t they have taken soil samples, or maybe they did and not telling it
yep mandi i agree she was treated very well, i think they should have thrown her in a cell with some big butches and let them have their way with her
Gumshoe…hope you didn’t fall asleep while I was writing this.. anyway, here’s my theory:
On June 16th after G left for work, the monster returns with Caylee. She puts the ladder in the pool, knowing full well that Caylee knows how to climb it and get in the pool. (Verified by Cindy statement) The monster goes in the house knowing that Caylee will drown. (I hate to even think about that part) She gets Caylee out of the pool and lays her on the grown. Maybe even moves her to another area of the backyard thinking she was going to bury her under the sandbox or something. Then puts Caylee in the trunk and keeps her there for a couple of days. Finally starts driving around (three different remote areas) looking for a place to bury Caylee where she won’t be seen doing it. Finally finds a place and completes her dirty deed.
Now, it’s my understanding that the neighbor she borrowed the shovel from is not absolutely sure of the date. But, if it was on the 16th that she went to him and not on the 17th which he said is the closest he can come to remembering after a month has passed. Then my theory would work… unless, of course, you find some holes in it.
Please share your complete theory with me. And the rest of you too. I want to hear your entire theory.
I agree, I know why I’m not a detective now because I don’t believe I could have kept from strangling her. Interesting the only time she showed even the slightest bit of emotion (and not that much) was when she was asked about Cindy, etc, etc….very definitely a love-hate relationship with her own mother…the jealousy is obvious…
Snookers, I believe we may be giving George to much credit that everything he told police is the gospel….(i.e. gas cans in trunk, no smell, etc.)
Sabrina,
They did hit in the backyard. Pretty sure it was not the slab though. Somewhere near the swimming pool, I believe.
The maggots,flies,egg cycle got me thinking.
And all flies are not alike, some might only be attracted to human cadavers.
Forensics should be able to put a timeline on that.
Am sure , we only know the tip of the iceberg of all the evidence LE has. They just throw us a bone from time to time.
Mandi, I feel the same way that you do about the good job the investigators did with the interrogation. And maybe if Cindy would have not let her daughter talk so much and make up lies that C&G bought all this would have never happened.
i listened to tapes and thought same as grandmomster….wait let me finish before you jump on me…..hehe
i thought let her answer your question! but then finished listening to all of them and thought they didn’t want to hear anymore lies and she wasn’t going to talk anyway,
what they were doing is trying to break her down, by not letting her jump in and speak – this is what they were looking for, for her to jump out of the chair and yell ‘help me find my kid’ or ‘no i didn’t do anything’, if that was me and i was being interrogated like that and i knew i didn’t harm my child in any way, i would be screaming at the top of my lungs, ‘ i didn’t do anything’ ‘please help me’ or something to that effect
mmt that sounds like a good theory, very simular to mine, but i think caylee drwoned by accident, i think she was left on her own while casey was inside doing dope or on phone or what ever , came out to find caylee dead, pulled her out of pool layed her on ground and the rest you said…but i also have another theory, actually 2 others, all speculation…i could come up with many scenareos
Therapist, I’m with you on your theory except for one thing and that is the shovel….I believe this may have been a red herring because neighbor said she didn’t have it but for about an hour if that long, correct? That wouldn’t be enough time in my estimation to drive somewhere, dig a hole, etc. And why would she borrow a shovel from a neighbor but yet break into the shed at her own home for gas cans?
Monday Morning Therapist do you think that she drowned? then moved the body? or did ‘it’ elsewhere then came to house to make it seem like she drowned?
Monday Morning Therapist with your theory what time frame would the gas come into?
and your good ….. : ) theories that is
could be easy going ! killed caylee else where ran to the house placed her pool to make it seem like an accident then decided that was a bad idea and moved the body omg genius
brb need to make some tea
Also, remember on Tues. the 17th is when C&G said when they came home from work, they noticed the side gate to the backyard wide open and the ladder to the pool attached…but then that’s just when they “noticed” it. I thought it could be more of monster’s staging to make it appear to have been a drowning – accidental of course in case she decided to tell C&G a story.
sabrina, I thougt that too about the accident at first but after I saw absolutely no emotion from Casey, no saddness, no grief, just anger because other than her immediately family no one else is buying her lies. I think if she didn’t want Caylee dead and it happended by accident she wouldn’t be able to hide some type of grief she was feeling. And why not call 911 to try and save your daughter no matter what.
Plus the tone of her voice and what she said about “I don’t have a ****** clue where she is” or something like that.
But, I think you and I are very close in our thinking.
Monday Morning Therapist are you really a therapist? i could of used you last night…hehe
Mandi, the staging thing is a good theory too that never crossed my mind. So, how do you imagine her killing Casey?
I mean Caylee… it’s getting late!
thank you, therapist! I am about to fall asleep (I figured it was evident by my posts 🙂
but I will take a stab at making sense with my theory.
***I have believed that Casey was drugging Caylee from the beginning. At first I believed she gave her dimetapp or some other OTC medicine to make her sleep. (going by Amy saying Caylee could ‘sleep through anything’ at their parties.) Xanax was my next theory, but then the chloroform evidence came out.
Whatever, I have believed always that Casey drugged Caylee to get her to sleep through her partying and when she had no sitter.
*** I have believed from the beginning and do still that Caylee died IN the trunk, as opposed to being placed there after death.
***I think Caylee died on June 16 (or wee hours 17th) in the trunk— June 18th taken out of backed up car and placed on the ground in the backyard for a short time, then back into the trunk. She then drove around with her for a couple of days, ditched the body along with clothes, makeup, etc…but not in a way that the body couldn’t be found or smelled.
So she goes back June 24 to check, finds that the body needs to be moved, goes home to steal gas to drive around for a dumping site, takes her to another last place. She then goes to Jesse’s to shower.
easy going mom, no I’m not I’m just a wannabe Therapist. I’m kind of like the Monday night quarterback….
I know all the answers… AFTER THE FACT! LOL
yes her tone of voice does tell alot i just don’t want to think a mother would deliberately kill her little girl, although i know it happens more than we can imagine
Ditto Therapist….This was no accident. Too much partying done afterwards….I also thought it was interesting during the interrogation, how she hesitated for a long time when she was asked if her car ran out of gas before or after Caylee went missing…
She also didn’t plan on having to answer questions about the phone call on the 15th at noon from Caylee about Caylee’s demeanor and why she didn’t cry for her mommy, etc…..that was a dead giveaway right there that her “plan” was not as well thought out as she thought it was….
MMT,
You theory surely implicates George. Am still very much on the fence about that.
I do think it is a little strange that he left for work after picking up the dead body smelling car and let Cindy alone to find Monster and calling the police .
He said he missed Cindy’s call at work but called Lee. Why did not he call Cindy back.
The police has maintained steadfast though that C & G are no suspects.
the accident was she put her down to sleep and the little one never woke up – the chloroform
if she put her down the evening before, saw in morning that she didn’t wake up, first place you go for help is home, by that time the body would have already been decomposing at least 12 hours
darling baby was crimping her style
I’m back and forth on theories, one is same as yours, she drowned her in the pool and the other is chloroformed her and staged the gate, pool ladder etc. to tell her parents she drowned accidentally but changed her mind….then again, maybe that IS what she is telling her parents secretly and we just don’t know it and that’s why they are protecting her….I honestly & truly don’t think we’ll ever know the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God.
easy going mom, I think she stole the gas cans because she needed gas for her car. I might be wrong but G said he noticed them missing on 6/24 which according to my theory, the monster already got rid of Caylee’s body.
yes mandi “how she hesitated for a long time when she was asked if her car ran out of gas before or after Caylee went missing…”
thought the same thing also, she was trying to get her time-line right
made baby to sleep in trunk while she partied ??? the chloroform ?
I donot think Monster killed Caylee accidently, it was planned IMO based on many factors.
Yes easygoing…she almost tripped herself up on that one. She’s crazy like a fox…
wish i could hear those recordings of interrogation, no audio on my pc grrrr
*correction on my theory–June 24 is day gas cans were discovered. June 22? is day gas cans stolen–if so, then smell would have been in the trunk on June 24
this is weird because both mine and therapist’s theories are different, but they both imply that George would have noticed something besides gas cans.
Yes, but if George really did see the gas cans in the back of her car on the 24th, he would have also smelled the odor? And why didn’t he interrogate monster himself that day on the whereabouts of Caylee?? Especially since Cindy was “going crazy” not being able to see/talk to her….doesn’t make sense.
she wanted to punish her mother and be free, she didn’t want the child and didn’t want anyone else to have her…she knew having caylee would make her mother the happiest woman on earth and casey the b*tch could not let her mother be happy, more like wanted her mother to be miserable
unless…….
she used the gas in the cans and went back for clothes (as George stated) and possibly to see if there was any indication she had left a trail of any kind. She leaves the house on June 24, drives to retrieve the body, and dumps it for good June 24-27.
June 27 she ditched the car.
why take the gas to fill car, why not use credit card or friends checks? think the gas was used to burn any evidence left behind, i.e. blanket, clothes, etc.
Snookers, where do you feel that my theory implicates George? I think Casey did this all by herself and no one knows anything but her. I feel that C&G are victims too and they don’t even know it.
You’re right, she was stealing every dime she could get her hands on but the reason she abandoned the car is because she could no longer stand the smell, IMO and like she said “circumstanially” I ran out of gas…
yep easy going, would burning the body hide odor from cadaver dogs
I haven’t been able to believe the body burning simply because a body already decomposing would smell up a large area if set on fire. And it would not have disintegrated, only charred. That would mean she would have to move or bury a charred body, but still there would be a burn site somewhere.
i don’t know gum shoe, if she dug a hole first dowsed the body and tried to burn then covered it up ?
easy going mom the reason why she took the gas to fill put in her car is because she didn’t have any credit cards or cash. Remember, Cindy busted her on 6-15 about stealing money from her and her grandmother and using her crdit card to the max. And she didn’t have Amy’s checks then either… Amy didn’t leave for vacation until the very end of June. After Casey ran out of gas and ditched her car. Remember that’s why Amy let her use her car and Casey only then found the checks.
mandi, we may not ever know the whole truth, but I am so anxious to hear the prosecution’s theory backed by their evidence–and I bet it is as close to the truth as anyone could get without Casey talking.
gas would burn off quickly and if at night probably wouldn’t be seen or smelled, maybe next day a slight odor would still remain
accidentally: she has drugged her before to make her sleep, there is no way a little one can sleep through a loud party, the roommate said that the environment was not good for her (or something to that effect),
i think she intentionally accidentally harmed her, if those two can be one in the same
i think there was already some type of arrangement between grandmomster and momster on handing over caylee, however before that could take place that when ‘it’ happened.
the little one didn’t wake up and momster freaked out knowingly that she was responsible for the little one not waking up
MMT,
The smell in the car trunk on June 24th. It must have been much stronger than it was on July 15th. George had to notice it unless he had a severe cold that day.
Having grown up there, the monster knows where the closest gator inhabitated water is and there’s a lot of it…t’s a way of life down there…parents tell their kids not to go near such & such lake, etc. because of the gators….that could be where Caylee is, I’m sorry to say but God I hope not.
We need Miss Marple
MMT,
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Amy did not go on vacation till July 8 thru July 15.
if she burned a body, then I am back to my earlier soapbox : SOMEBODY KNOWS SOMETHING AND HAS NOT STEPPED FORWARD. She would have that smell all over her. She had to take a shower, clean up after burning a body. Her hair, her clothes, would smell of horrible smoke from that. Besides that, unless she drove far away to a remote area, somebody would have seen the smoke–and smelled it.
Gumshoe, I agree as they are certainly collectively smarter then we are that’s for sure…And they have the evidence…we have nothing but our best speculative judgment…LOL…
Remember, she called Jessie Grund twice to use his shower….
are there really that many gaters in orlando ? i was raised in ft laud and miami davie and hollywood area of fl i know there’s lots of gators there, but it gets cold in orlando, not as much of tropical weather there, or is it, i have lived in tampa and clearwater, no fear of gators there or there wasn’t when i lived there, maybe the gaters have migrated
Gumshoe, it was never made clear to me whether George got close enough to the trunk to get the tool out himself or if Casey ran ahead of him and handed him the tool he needed out of the trunk. If she handed him the tool, he may have spotted the cans but never got close enough to the trunk to smell the order.
It is puzzling though…
I don’t believe that George knows anything more than what his daughter is feeding him and it’s all lies. I don’t feel he is covering anything up.
But, that’s just my opinion and I may wake up tomorrow morning and change my whole theory.
did she abandoned the car at the same time the car was towed, found at check cashing place? or are these two different days the car was abandoned?
Hey, I have to get some sleep. Please write your theories so I can read them in the morning when I’m catching up on all the comments I missed tonight because I was writing way too much and couldn’t keep up. I like to know what everyone is saying!
I want to hear your entire theory,please!
Sweet dreams guys!
It’s still doubtful to me that George could/would remember A MONTH LATER EXACTLY what type of clothes, color, backpacks,etc. that monster & Caylee were wearing on the 16th when he says he saw them for the last time…I still think night of the 15th when she left in a huff with Caylee after the big argument is the last time Caylee was actually seen alive.
bye bye mmt
As bad as I hate to, I have to go and get some sleep.
I love the theorizing. We have done a good job, mates! 🙂 I want to know everybody’s. They all are believable.
Please feel free to poke holes in mine. I’m open to thoughts.
TTY all tomorrow.
Night Therapist….sweet dreams.
i think i am taking the easy way out by thinking that no mother could just out right kill their own child with their own two hands, however sadly it happens more than we want to believe
i do like all your theories and thoughts about this, it only shows how human we are : )
and i do think g and c know something now about what happened, but only after the fact, i don’t think they helped in the actual act, otherwise they would have had a lawyer on day 2 (i think they are a bit smarter than what they raised and call their daughter)
chyeah, just ask my hubby what i was wearing yesterday NO WAY could he tell you
Ditto…I’m going to bid goodnight as well…Hopefully this week will bring some good news for little Caylee.
Toni went on vacation from June 30 till July 5.
Monster was without wheels for a week or so.
Who drove her around Jesse Grund?? Did Toni let her use his car. There was a piece of evidence in the 400p thingy that Toni’s was in the garage for repair but donot remember the date.
ok gumshoe bye bye
Mine either Sabrina…especially not a month earlier….no way.
Goodnight!
snookers, thanks for that clarification, I just kind of guessed at it because Sabrina asked why she didn’t use Amy’s checks for gas.
And I was trying to make the point that she didn’t have them on 6/24 when the cans went missing.
Now, I’m not fooling… I’m really heading off to sleep this time. lol
byeee mandi…looks everyone is leaving who’s staying ? anyone ? lol
no no, i didn’t say anything about the checks that was someone else lol i remember reading but don’t know who said it
easygoing.
Car was noticed in early morning 7 am by Amscot manager on the 27th of June. Toni picked up Monster by 10/11 am that day I believe, car was towed to towyard on the 30th of June.
just reading the sign lady has in front of ants house, says i wouldn’t let my dog be missing 30 days…i wouldn’t let my dog be missing an hour, much less a child or grandchild
If somebody else was involved with helping Monster after the murder, my money is on Jesse Grund.
i do know one thing, if i used the same babysitter for over a year i would know all her phone numbers and contacts and adress, if i went to pick up my child and they weren’t there for more then 30 mins i would be on 911
I am leaving too soon. My rear is getting stiff . This is almost like working.
jesse grund did speak highly of casey as if he still has feelings for her, now i think he has lawyered up
anyone still in here, i have to take trash out (no pun intended) would still like to chat even thou it’s late
blogging on a subject like this is a job…ok well i guess i might as well go too, no one to talk to
if you’re gonna hang easy going i’ll hang with ya
I’ll a bit longer too Sabrina.
i was putting some stuff away while easy going is taking out trash, glad i’ll someone to hang out with even if only a little while
snookers have you heard anything about jesse grund getting a lawyer ?
ok back. how does jesse fit in? was he a boyfriend?
Jesse Grund was contacted by monster twice.
And I thought she actually went over there to take a shower.
He was very vague on dates. Somewhere between 6/2 and 7/6, I believe. That would fit the time frame of the finding the final very elusive resting place for caylee. Besides , he was an excop, so he should be able to give her advise on hard/impossible to find locations. She was once engaged to him.
suposedly an ex boyfriend buy who knows lol…he’s the one that a good point of view on casey
oops those jesse contact dates are 6/22 thru 7/6. It is getting late. Not 6/2
what ever happened it happened at her hands only, she may have leaked out bit’s a pieces here and there, but she did what she did alone
it is getting late snookers and i’m thinking faster then i can type, that’s why i’m leaving out words etc…nearly 2:30 AM here
I only heard that a couple of times on this blog. But really have not checked it out. It was a reliable poster , I believe. Why would he need a lawyer though.
if she seeked advise it was only after the story came out or snowballed as i like to refer it to
easy going, i can’t help thinking that someone is helping to cover for her, or just evading being questioned or giving tips to police
i think that blogger said it was because the family fears jesse will be implicated somehow
it’s 2:29 am here in mn
some of the words she used on those taped interviews, are not normal words people use everyday, she picked up cop language from somewhere
easygoing,
Oh, I also believe that only monster is responsible for Caylee’s death. No help here.
Just wonder if somebody(that is nuts about her) help her with hiding the body.
i heard that too easy going, yet her father used to be a cop and may have watched lots of cop shows, cops like cop shows
covering up now for her, but not during the time ‘it’ happened until grandmomster called 911
that’s why i think c and g know something now, but not at first
Ha, it is 3.32 here in PA.
that’s what i said too, jesse seemed like he still had feelings for her
ok i watch cop shows and movies, however i never use any of that language, some of the words i don’t even know the meaning let alone how and when they should be used
i can see where he would help, but no attention has been made towards him in media or reports
i agree easy going, don’t think c would have ever made the 911 call if she really knew the truth, but i think they know something now, maybe not the whole truth though
what words are you referring to easy going ?
i just think father being cop engaged to a cop dated a cop quite possibly more cops in the stew, she may have picked up the lingo
snookers has us beat 3:30 where she is
oh gosh i would have to listen to the tapes again, one word was mentioned in here just recently
well for one, not that it relates to cop lingo…. ‘absolutely’ when was the last time in a normal conversation did you use that word, maybe my vocabulary is limited but i can’t remember last time i used that word to respond to a question
George was a cop for 10 years plus some of monsters many boyfriends had been cops. Including the one that lied about knowing her and was working for the OCSO when she was arrested and was fired because of that.
No, I was thinking that Jesse, an ex cop , might have helped her prior to Cindy calling the cops.
I am still very much on the fence about C & G being involved in a criminal cover up.
the only cop lingo i know is what i hear on new detectives, fbi files, forensic files, csi, and law and order, and what ever comes on tru tv shows lol, i know what perp means for sure
Investigator: Is your daughter in a better place? . . . Are you worried about her?
Anthony: No, she’s not. . . . I’m absolutely petrified. If she was with her family right now, she’d be in the best place. She’s not. She’s with someone that I absolutely do not trust. And I’m absolutely scared that . . .
who talks like this?
oh and NG of course uses some of the lingo at times…i do use the word absolutely but not often, and if i were being questioned in such a serious manner don’t think i would be thinking up that word in response, seems she would use simpler words, she’s a fast thinker for lies and puts them out there with very little effort that’s why the big words…also when a person is telling the truth they don’t have to say “i’ll tell you the truth” or “honestly”
easygoing,
Her latest circle of friends were college students. Absolutely, definitely etc, I think would be typical for the college crowd and she wanted to fit in there. Besides ,she is not a stupid person. I could not find any spelling errors in her written statement and she used good language too.
no, she’s trying to impress on the police she’s telling the truth but you can see through her words, it’s not normal to use such words if you’re telling the truth
ok i grew up in a family of sport freaks (i mean this in the best way) my man is the biggest of them all, we watch football, hockey and baseball together.
and yet to this day i have not picked up on the sports lingo, i as a woman don’t really pay too much attention to ‘guy talk’ however on occasion when the football goes through the goal post i do yell ‘home run’
momster is so absorbed in her own self to care anything about another
i agree snookers when you’re in the crowd to use these words, but not a police interrogation, unless she’s just made it a habit
Anthony was asked a yes-or-no question but said a lot more. “Too much information is a true sign of lying.”
i asked earlier if it’s possible to cure a narcissist, are they born that way or made, if it’s learned can it be unlearned ? is there a pill ?
That is what monster is all about, trying to impress people. Using language in that fashion is part of it. Just like using Nanny instead of babysitter.
that’s right easy going, and heard her say to many times ” i honestly don’t know” that’s a clear sign of lying too
ok look at it this way, you know your caught in a lie – right, but her tone does not change. almost as if she was told how to speak, what to speak,
sort of makes me think of paris hilton, maybe fantisizes being like her, with the walk and talk
there is a cure pill for anything nowadays.
she knew what she was doing, she had a problem so she solved it.
Sabrina,
I donot believe it is curable. Just like you cannot cure a psychopath. One of her friends said she thought she was bipolar, certain pills can work on people like that. Monster just doesnot have any social feelings, they are not there. You cannot recreate them with pills. She is a “being” but not human. No humanity, no conscience, no love/feelings for other people, except herself.
also i noticed whie talking to police how she would try to evade the issue and change the subject, talked in circle alot, i can’t stand to talk to people like that, they have something to hide, very sneaky, she likes to blame everyone for everything she does wrong
so you think she was born like that ? something missing in her, well no matter what since she is this way she’s a menace to society
i have no doubt she’s guilt tripping her parents to bow to her
i felt she was too calm during the interviews, the only time she really got excited was when she was talking about going to the studio and asked the guards if they knew anything
at that time she knew what she was doing, making them run around in circle, send them on a wild goose chase. she knew this, she somewhat admitted to it by saying about asking the studio guards – well she knew she didn’t work there, why would caylee be there
did you hear if she said that she went into the apartment to drop off, all i heard was on the step, did they question this more?
I think she was born with but if she was spoiled , her parents might not have noticed. Mothers are always the last one to notice. One of her friends did say that she changed after Caylee was born .Possibly because she had to share the spotlight with Caylee now.
easygoing,
She was also a little bit exited when she talked about her mom. Those two have an abnormal relationship , I believe.
i haven’t heard the entire interview but i did hear her say about leaving caylee on the steps, omg who would do that at an apartment building with a three yr old ! i hope they did ask her more on that, plus why would she leave at an apartment building where there was no one there to take her in…also, didn’t she take cops to three different aparment buildings ?
her behavior is learned, not born with. she has learned at an early age she can bat those eyes and get what she wants, she lays the ground work of that she is a sweet girl, but in the dark she is ‘dark’, her parents only see the sweet girl same as her friends, it’s been said that she can make friends with anyone, talk to anyone, be very friendly
i know someone like this, they are so sweet and kind and fun loving, however when they do something wrong, they only see the good – the true side only come out to those who choose to see it
My eyes lids are falling shut.
I have to go kids.
Goodnite
yeah i believe she was way over indulged and allowed to get away with what ever she did, but usually it’s the father who spoils their daughters, i think there’s seriously something wrong in that house something very weird
it was a wild goose chase….part of the plan
the more time the cops go where she tells them, the more time the body trace disappears more and more – this is what she was hoping, hence all the lies
i think the dad see’s through her, he’s been tight lipped during this whole thing – yea monster and grandmonster had a very unhealthy relationship
bye bye snookers sleep tight
seems C instilled all the wrong values in the icky daughter now C will have to pay for the loss of both daughter and grandchild…wonder what cindy will say/ do when/if truth comes out
yea i better get to bed as well, been up late two nights in a row, gotta be up in 2 hr…yukes!
oh no easy going it’s gonna be a rough day for you hun…ok nitey nite
Good Morning, All!
I see there was some discussion last night about the pizza in the trunk. When the smell was first a news item myfoxorlando.com conducted two experiments leaving a pizza in the trunk of a car to see what it smelled like and to see if maggots got in it etc. Right now I can’t find those articles but the web site has an extensive list of its reports on this case so they should be there if you’re interested.
I remember that too! The pizza just got all hard but no maggots if I remember correctly. The pizza also didn’t smell.
I’m wondering why the webcam is not on the house anymore? Is that normal during the day?
ok my mistake…only webcam 1 is not on the house…#2 still is.
Morning all,
I am still out here reading just not posting as much as I don’t have much to comment currently.
mmt-
You had asked for others input on a theory of what happened to Caylee..
I don’t believe that M decided to go home and set up the pool ladder to drown Caylee after her father left for work. If anything, she probably wanted to do something with Caylee and thought they could go for a swim together, then she was too careless to put the ladder back afterward.
I can’t help but think that IF an “innocent” accident had occurred M would have called 911. UNLESS… the ‘accident’ was somehow tied to M’s direct abuse such as in administering chloraform to precious little Caylee…..
There’s alot more coming this week and I am looking forward to hearing it and watching NG to keep up with all of this sad case..
They just found human remains near the Sharpes Ferry Bridge. They didn’t say if it’s a child or adult – they’re looking for more remains now. Would this be too far away to be Caylee?
Things seem the same around the Ants house..
More protesting and agruements with Cindy…
The funny thing is that they hold these vigils in front of their house. Why not on church grounds? I’ve never been to one so I don’t really understand the significance.
Are they praying that Monster will tell the truth this week? LOL
Why do the Ants keep asking us for help when Monster is the one who knows? Even the LD said, “I know you know where Caylee is…”
I thought Cindy had a spokeperson on her behalf, why the F#@k do we keep hearing her mouth?
Power to the People!!!!!!
I had to say it..LOL
elle… My heart skipped a beat when I read your message. Let’s hope and pray that this is it.
Do you happen to know if Sharpes Ferry Bridge is anywhere near the ants home or where they’ve been searching for Caylee?
elle, sorry, evidently I didn’t read the last line of your message. How far is Sharpes Ferry Bridge from Orlando? I know LE followed the monsters cell phone pings in order to focus the search on where she had been. But, if I’m not mistaken there was one day when her phone was shut off, thus no pings. But, I’m not sure of that date.
Ocala is where the bridge is – remains were found Sunday afternoon by a boater – see article below
Marion County investigators search area where human remains were found
Martin E. Comas | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:53 AM EDT, September 15, 2008
Marion County Sheriff investigators this morning continued searching a wooded area and the Ocklawaha River near Sharpes Ferry Bridge after human remains were discovered by a boater Sunday afternoon.
Jenifer Fisher, a Sheriff’s spokeswoman, said an autopsy will be performed on the remains today to determine additional information including the approximate age and sex of the person.
The boater told sheriff officials he spotted the remains on the water’s edge about 300 yards north of the bridge on County Road 314, Fisher said.
About a dozen deputies and two sheriff’s dive teams, along with K-9 units, are searching the area.
Not sure if there’s a waterway connect either from Orlando to Ocala. This is reaching I know-just anxious to have this poor little girl found
More info MMT:
The source of the Ocklawaha River is Lake Griffin, part of the Harris Chain of Lakes in Lake County, Florida. The Ocklawaha River watershed includes parts of the Green Swamp, most of Lake county, and portions of Marion, Alachua, and Putnam counties. The largest of several large lakes in the Ocklawaha’s watershed is the badly polluted Lake Apopka near Orlando.
If I’m looking at this right it’s 66 miles from Orlando to Ocala. Does that sound right to anyone in here?
What about Lake Apopka – is that near the airport?
The cops asked Monster where Caylee liked to go and one of the places was Lake Underhill. Caylee liked to run around the lake. And her (former) friend Kristina Chester said in her statement that she and her kids and Monster and Caylee had walked around the lake on June 12 or 13. I wonder if the cops ever checked that lake since it was mentioned twice. If a little kid gets too far ahead and decides to jump in for a swim the adult might not see where she went in or be able to get there.It’s certainly a possibility for an accident or murder.
MMT – the reason I think the body could have been buried for a while at the Ants’ house is because the dogs hit on the scent of decomp and the neighbor said Monster backed her car into the center of the garage (no parents home) and then asked to borrow his shovel “to dig up a bamboo shoot she kept tripping over.”
That happened somewhere between June 16 and the end of the month. The neighbor is not sure.
Whether she was burying or digging up the child that day I don’t know. Part of the answer could rest on whether her dad locked her out of his shed after she stole the gas cans. If he did, then that’s why she needed to borrow the neighbor’s shovel. Because surely her father had one in the shed. Or she didn’t want to use G’s shovel because he’d notice and ask questions.
Lake Apopka is 9 miles from the airport, looks like it’s north of the airport. hmmmm
Marion Co. is Ocala, where Casey stated her Grandparents live. (in the audio tapes) So Casey would know the area. -saw this statement on another blog
i looked this up:
http://www.sharpesferry.com/directio.htm
sharpes ferry manufactured home community senior 55+,
Lake Apopka looks like it’s is west of the airport (before mapquest search did not have the right area). Does anyone know for sure?
Good morning, all!
I see the judge will not be making a ruling today on the Home Owners Assoc.
mytwocents,(first of all, sorry this is so long) But, I believe that what you’re saying could very well be true too, however, what swayed me away from believing that the monster actually went through with burying Caylee in the Ants backyard is that LE made it sound like they didn’t find any significant dirt disturbed, other than a small indentation near the pool area (they never did make that clear) Plus, wouldn’t the cadaver dogs hit on the scent either way… if Caylee was buried there or her body rested on the soil? Another thing that bothers me is the Ants seem to maintain their property very well. I would think that Casey would be afraid to bury her daughter there knowing C or G would notice unusual digging. So, without a perfect timeline on when Casey borrowed the shovel, I’m still thinking it was premeditated and it happened on 6/16. She came back after G left for work backing her car into the garage, with plans of putting Caylee in the trunk after the dirty deed was done. But, then when it happened, she maybe panicked for a moment (although, I find that unusual for her) and for a split second or two tried to get a shovel and bury Caylee in the backyard but the shed was already locked. (C mentioned that they locked the shed to keep Caylee safe but she also said, which I found strange) that only she and G had the key or combination… I forgot which way it was locked. Anyway, Casey then went across the street and got the shovel. After she got back and maybe moved Caylee’s body to a different area of the yard, she decided it wasn’t safe for her to bury Caylee so close to C& G, even temporarily. So, she ended putting Caylee’s body in the trunk and after returning the shovel, it was too late for her to find a place to bury Caylee (because, of course, getting back to her boyfriend, who she was grooming as a victim) was most important in her devious plan to be free. Anyway, I might be all wet with this theory (even as I write it, it sounds crazy) but nothing seems to be solid without more information and evidence.
hi all, found you guys, tired to leave me behind but I found you all…lol was reading all the theories of each of you, and thought I would share mine at what I think happened thus far, but have maybe 2 theories.. my first one is on the drugging her, she had been drugging her for maybe over a year or more.(chloroform) basically whenever she left that house, when cindy asked she came up with a nanny, and was believed so cindy never worried… then when she wanted to go out she used the stuff, and either placed in trunk so noone would see the baby and alert someone, she maybe was careful at how long she stayed gone and maybe even checked on her at times, then on that horrid night, she checked and discovered her dead. at this time in her mind she knows this is now murder, so, she returns home or tried to call the family, once back home thery are all gone.. she then buries in backyard, hence asking for the shovel.. then for whatever reason, she panics she knows this isnt gonna fly dads too smart, he’ll know.. or find her. so she unburies her, and then heads off and finds a new burial spot, by this time the body is really reeking. shes not stupid she has to get rid of the smelling car, which is why she put it next to the dumpster, again not being a stupid murderer, she then has to make it appear like all is fine, which is why she allows photos, and acts in front of friends as if its all ok.. she knows this is coming down later and shes already covering…she has to act completely surprised when LE comes knocking and then when the car place calls C & G now the gig is up, and she comes home with the story, this is what I believe in my heart happened. I do not go along with any theories of a more pre meditated death.. like a plan to do this, because she would not have been so stupid to leave so much clues and all evidence in a mess…
I’m not saying accidental, because she didnt care much about caylee to leave her in a smothering hot trunk, with drugs in her, so she didnt care if she even died, but I do not think that she planned it, although what blows my whole theory above lol
is the other things like coming home with tattoo, removing pics off my space, the fight about casey and C about custody, all that comes into a theory of pre meditation and a then planned death, this case boggles my mind!
Great work all, the theories are all starting to mesh together… don’t you think..
pammyliz, glad you made it here! 🙂
Your theory is believable. I feel the same way as you, this case boggles my mind! When all is said and done, I will probably be writing on this blog from an insane asylum. (Do they still call it that?)
Hi Amy… yes, I agree and I guess the bottom line is we all know that the monster did it!
All, please see the first paragraph of my note at 11:52 this morning. Wanted to ask about Lake Underhill. I didn’t hear that it was searched but I suppose it could have been.
Thank you, MMT! I think I understand what you’re saying now – that Caylee was already dead and decomposing and moved from the trunk of the car to back yard for only a few minutes or hour or something but not actually buried there? That’s certainly possible.
In the other theory: If the depression is relevant (and the Ants never came up with a reason for it being there) it makes sense.
Yeah, I think great sleuth work by many posters.
The reason why I donot think it was not an accident but premeditated planned murder is because of the following major things;
Fight on June 15th.(wish we knew for sure what the fight was about)
Apparent death on June 16th.(too close to June 15th)
New boy friend that really did not want Caylee around all the time.
Not calling police/911 if accident.
Deliberate stalling after Caylee went “missing” and counting on the passing of time to make investigation more difficult.
Suspect she even would have waited longer of C would not have called. Dumping the car in a business lot was really stupid and a “huge” mistake. Car would eventually be towed to a towyard unless she counted on it being at the towyard for a while before parents would be notified. Or unless she really ran out of gas and had no choice.
Pammy, for sure, this TICK(momster), sure wasn’t living a life of a concerned mother…
MMT: Asylum or Funny Farm – your choice 🙂 Padded room or even KoooKoos Nest works for me as well….
🙂
therapist—could be onto something—the whole scenario of most all of it happening June 16. (George’s miraculous memory of what Casey and Caylee were wearing that day w/ backpacks and what he was watching on TV–exact times, etc…too strange for me that he had perfect recall a month later on only those specific things–and that is basically what we have all been basing our timeline on–George’s recall)
So, if it all happened June 16, the death, failed burial, shovel borrowed, placed in trunk, go to Tony’s for partying—
Death could have happened as soon as she left at 12:30-12:50 (per George) and -plenty of time for all those things to happen that day.
June 17, next day, no record of her whereabouts and only one call on her cell phone. Body dumped first time that day? June 17 also day card is filled out by someone named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez at Sawgrass Apts. Was Casey there, too, and privy to Zenaida being there, got her info that day? Did Casey fill the card out herself POSING as Zenaida? Dante moves out of the apts. June 17 before detectives can question him. They leave a card on his door.
Spends days/nights at Tony’s 16, 17, 18, 19,
By June 20, Friday night she is back at Fusian’s night club.
Next week, partying all week, tattoo, spending, June 27–body is recovered and taken elsewhere, shower at Jesse’s–car is dumped June 27 –also a Friday–Fusian’s again? ( no record for that)
***yes, mind boggling–gives me a headache
Snookers, however she had money to buy groceries? Why not gas?
Wait, she bought the groceries with a check, right… never mind…
Although she could have written a check for over the amount and gotten cash back? Maybe they don’t do that anymore… oh, dating myself again.. 🙁
Planned could mean just a few hours prior to her despicable deed.
Someone asked earlier about why the Ants don’t have the Sunday night vigil at a church and I think it’s a good thing they don’t. Can only make trouble for and around that church. And frankly I think it would be sacrilege at this point. I mean the heighth of hypocrisy. The Ants can’t tell the truth, can’t tell what they know and yet they pray (and do NOTHING themselves) for her return. God must be upchucking.
Also I wonder if Ms Celebrity Monster bothered to step out of the house to attend the vigil? If so then that’s why they’re having it at their house.
Monster is having her meeting with her case manager today to discuss where she goes this week “including church.” The monster has not been to church since this started!!! And she better not go now and cause some poor church a bunch of grief.
And I agree with the person who posted earlier about people wearing crosses – whether it’s the Ants or protesters it’s a sacrilege. Should be ripped off their necks.
Including leaving the house while George was still at home and coming back later. Could even explain those phone calls to make sure nobody was home.
hi all, look blogging during the day light….hehe (i should really be working)
i see where each of you are coming from, if we can just merge each of them together along with all evidence i think we’ve solved the case, i will however still take the lighter side that she intentionally drugged her (make her sleep) then by accident she didn’t wake up, freaked out and then came up with the escape plan
anyone hear more about the remains found?
She’s in JAIL again – she turned herself in and there are new charges too!
Nothing about the remains that I’ve heard.
Morning, Easy.
Agree about the church comment, then how about a safeway parking lot or park?
Monster early on stated to police what Caylee was wearing when she went missing. She could have told George.
if she only had shovel for a short time that day, then she didn’t have time to dig a hole anywhere close or far away for that matter?
WHAT!!!! That’s great!
MMT- I think the note I posted at 9:02 last night did not show up because I goofed and included an entire website address. Not important!
Anthony turned herself in on new check fraud charges, Local 6 News reported.
i think they found the little one….oh no!
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It’s written by Jan!
Maybe the shovel was used to break into the shed and steal the gas cans.
Easy, where are you reading this..
I would imagine – hope – that the cops pursued all the check fraud stuff in the theft from Amy H. before formally filing those 10 charges.
So I wonder if these new charges have to do with monster’s grandparents’ account?
That’s the only other check related thing I’ve heard about.
She’ll just get bailed out again probably by the end of today. Baez is prepared for it since suddenly & G have all this “anonymous” money which is what got her out last time.
WHO IS ANONYMOUS? It should be against the law to anonymously bail out someone because the benefactor could have ulterior motives! (Which I’m sure they do in this case but in other cases it could include killing the person who was arrested or even helping them escape!)
I think the note w/ the bail bond had C&G give them a promisory note…
No money..
Which I found odd, since they are leveraged on their home and all their cars…
June 16th is supposedly the last day anyone saw her with Caylee and that was George at the house, right? So we can safely say that she did not stay at her parents’ home after June 16 because they would have had a fit if she stayed there overnight without Caylee.
The neighbor is sure she borrowed the shovel after June 16th because he’d been away the previous week. So I think when she borrowed the shovel between the 16th and 30th of June the child was already dead.
Amy no bail bondsman is going to take a promissory note for half a million dollars from C &G or anyone without the cash or collateral to back it up. Baez announced it himself that it was from an anonymous source.
So I think what happened is that C & G were ABLE to give a promissory note because anonymous was backing them up with the cash should monster get away.
Amy,
A surety company must has guaranteed the bail bond to the bondsman. We donot know what type of collateral was used. Maybe the anonymous donor (media?) underwrote this.
she is back in jail! yea!
Easy anyword on a body being found?
Ahh, re: bond, that makes sense… Didn’t think that world was so gracious…
easy,
that is great news. Next question for how long?
I keep checking for an update on the remains that were found by the boater yesterday….still nothing.
Wow, elle! That’s huge… boater from a lake?
Marion County Sheriff investigators this morning continued searching a wooded area and the Ocklawaha River near Sharpes Ferry Bridge after human remains were discovered by a boater Sunday afternoon.
Jenifer Fisher, a Sheriff’s spokeswoman, said an autopsy will be performed on the remains today to determine additional information including the approximate age and sex of the person.
The boater told sheriff officials he spotted the remains on the water’s edge about 300 yards north of the bridge on County Road 314, Fisher said.
About a dozen deputies and two sheriff’s dive teams, along with K-9 units, are searching the area.
Lake Apopka has run off to the river mentioned above and it’s around Orlando. Although she could have definitely driven to the river, it’s not that far from what I saw on Mapquest. This may be the day we’ve been waiting for.
Oh my, I have butterflies in my tummy right now and a lump in my throat….
I’ve been wanting them to find caylee, but at the same time, not prepared for them emotionally to find caylee and confirm that sweet baby is indeed dead…
Wow, I can’t explain the flurry of emotions that I’m feeling…
Part of me wants to jump on a plane and go over there…
I hope this time, the only denial that I’ll here is from the judge regarding bail!
Amy – I feel the same. Only way to see justice come from this though, is if they find her. I never expected to find her alive after the one month had already passed.
Can’t wait – maybe she will not get bailed this time, if this indeed turns out to be Caylee that they’ve found.
Me neither, I knew she was dead… but just such a hard reality to have possible confirmation of this… Oh, dear!
I hope the momster is sitting in jail hearing about the discovering and her discovering, that she’ll be living life in jail…
Elle, I have a feeling it is.. a little girls body is so distintive… if it was floating, I bet there’s some compelling information on the body…
Wonder what lie she’s gong to come up with next?
hey amy, how’s it going today ? can you tell me what the addie for fox news again please
Well, they said the remains were at the waters edge. They have K9, divers and sheriff dept teams looking now for more remains. I think it may be not enough to determine age just visually (such an awful thought), but the coroner will have info for sure.
myfoxorlando.com
let me know if you can see the address 🙂
News from Local6
MARION COUNTY, Fla. — A boater on Sunday discovered human remains near the Sharpes Ferry Bridge on the Ocklawaha River in Marion County.
The incident was reported at about 2:25 p.m. after the boater found partial remains on the water’s edge, about 300 yards north of the bridge, Marion County sheriff’s deputies said.
The identity and sex of the remains are unknown, and it’s not known if the remains are that of a child or an adult, deputies said.
Investigators are searching for additional remains with the assistance of two dive teams, K-9 units and field-force units.
Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.
wow—lots of happenings!!
Okay, theory time..
say she weigted calyee down with her parents backyard pavers? Back to the scott peterson case, he strapped cement blocks on this wife’s legs and arms. after awhile, those legs are arms detached. leaving just the torso to pop up.. sorry for the imagery.
eeeewwwweeee i just got goose bumps the size of goose eggs all over me ! just reading back on elles posts…why can’t they just say if it’s a baby or adult damn it
sabrina—it may be *part* of a body so that they cannot tell if it’s a child or adult yet
thanks amy got it…but think i’ll stay here for the time being
mind you, scott is living in the swank cell of California’s most dingiest institutions, the illustrious, San Quintin…
He’ll never ever get out, justice can be sweet sometimes…
to horrid to think about, are they certain it’s human remains?
I feel like crying right now (sniff sniff)..
I bet donuts to dollars it is certain that their human remains..
They’ve been in the lab for sometime now ;-(
me too amy right along with you…btw hi everyone
I hope those media outlets will rethink their money offers!
Amy,
Good theory . Maybe Monster took other things from the shed/yard besides gas cans may that is why her car was backed up in the garage. May be the pavers were in the garage George would not have missed one or two I think
So many maybees.
it seems to me that they would have to be certain if it’s a baby or an adult, considering the size of bones and if it’s been in the water possibly there might be some flesh left and clothing, sheesh i dunno, my mind doesn’t want to digest this
I wonder if C&G are getting the pointing finger ready to blame us all for this, too!
They said it’s human remains – no doubt to that. With the teams out like they are now, if there’s anything out there, I’m sure they’ll find it. I just have a strong feeling that it’s little Caylee.
Plus, I don’t think that there are any other recent missing persons reported in that region.
i don’t want to picture this yet it’s quite possible a gator bit her in half
I still had that 0.01 % hope that Caylee would be found alive against all logic.. Bet others did too.
There’s mentioned to new charges… I bet their just waiting for lab results to slap her with murder charges…
They probably have them already typed up and ready to go
oh C will say if it’s caylee then someone else did it not her precious ICKY B*TCH daughter
Does anyone know for certain how far Marion County is from Orlando? I believe it was only 9 miles according to Mapquest
Are you guys still in here? Did you move to another page? I want in! 🙂
Never mind – I just refreshed-thanks.
I think someone said in an earlier post (days) ago, that gators don’t eat prey that is already dead…
Plus if she was weighted down, she may have been too deep, hence no gator traffic in deep waters..
i did too snookers, hope against any hope of caylee being alive and safe
How long was it before they found Laci’s body? Wasn’t it like 2 1/2 – 3 months?
Welcome, Kim…
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yeah it was a long time but it was pretty cool weather and being in water, and there was still some flesh on her body and also finding the baby with flesh still attached, in a way i hope this is caylee they found, but still want her to be alive and away from those despicable people, my heart says she’s alive but my brain tells me no she’s dead
Thanks Amy (and all). I’ve spent the last 2 hours reading all your pages/opinions. Very intelligent bunch I must say. I have the goosebumps from the latest news too…….
How do we get to that “new page?” Where do I type in that #? I’m lazy and used to following a provided link 🙂
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Amy, I think you are right about gators. If monster had Caylee in her trunk for a while , gators would not be attracted to that, it would be spoiled/rotten. Fresh kills or life pray only. Many carnivores are like that. Mostly the insect world feeds on decaying stuff.Guess monster did not research that part of her plan. .
Why has anyone changed from this page? There are only 580 comments. Plenty of room left. We ran other pages up over 1200 comments.
MARION COUNTY, Fla. — A boater on Sunday discovered human remains near the Sharpes Ferry Bridge on the Ocklawaha River in Marion County.
The incident was reported at about 2:25 p.m. after the boater found partial remains on the water’s edge, about 300 yards north of the bridge, Marion County sheriff’s deputies said.
The identity and sex of the remains are unknown, and it’s not known if the remains are that of a child or an adult, deputies said.
Investigators are searching for additional remains with the assistance of two dive teams, K-9 units and field-force units.
Watch Local 6 News for more on this story.
I am confused as to where to go ha ha. I will try and keep up but if you see the same posts from me in all different places it just means I am confused. 🙂
Remains found in river confirmed as human
By Joe VanHoose
Star-Banner
Published: Monday, September 15, 2008 at 11:15 a.m.
Last Modified: Monday, September 15, 2008 at 11:23 a.m.
SHARPES FERRY – Marion County sheriff’s officials confirmed Monday that the torso found in the Ocklawaha River on Sunday afternoon is human.
Sheriff’s Office crews arrived at the Sharpes Ferry bridge at daybreak Monday to search for other evidence near where the body was found. The sheriff’s Field Force Team searched the banks of the river while divers felt their way through the muddy water.
“We want to cover all the area between Sharpes Ferry and State Road 40,” said Sheriff’s Office Capt. Jimmy Pogue. “The search is more difficult because of all the recent rain we’ve had. The banks of the river have been extended by 20 feet.”
Pogue said the Sheriff’s Office was called by a boater who found the torso about 300 yards north of the Sharpes Ferry bridge Sunday at about 2:30 p.m. The torso was taken to the Marion County Medical Examiner’s Office, where an autopsy is being performed today. Pogue said it was too early to tell any details about the body.
In the meantime, the sheriff’s officials set up shop on the bridge to organize a full search for any additional evidence.
“We have two boats in the water, plus our 12-member field force team, and we have the helicopter out with spotters in it,” Pogue said. “We want as many eyes on the area as possible.”
Divers in the river had to rely more on their sense of touch than sight as they combed through the black water on Monday.
“You can’t see a thing,” said Sheriff’s Office diver Aaron Levy. “Everything is completely black. It’s all about feel right now.”
easy, link to 400 file(pdf)http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf
Sheila,
The body they found is that of a young adult, not a child. I’ve been following this story closely all day, almost hoping for some closure finally.
im here is everyone else here?
Gumshoe said,in September 17th, 2008 at 6:15 pm http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html
They are now interviewing friends again asking about Xanax. Jesse is one who was asked the question in a lie detector test.
A few of us have held onto the ‘Zanny the Nanny’ theory being Xanax given to Caylee to make her “sleep through anything” as Amy said.
Did anyone else hear Leonard Padillia say that there was a fad(like the ‘choking’ fad) where they are using chloroform during sex. George was a cop, Cindy is a nurse, so death has always been a natural part of their lives. You do get ‘hardened’ to it. Remember Casey referred to her little girl as “The Snot Nose”. She IS a party animal and is probably the reason she is so desperate to be free to “look for her daughter in private”. Yeah-right! She is Ready to Party!
i found caylee’s body in the woods in minnesota.
I remember a little 2 years old girl while visiting her grand parents, she went on the side of the swimming pool, removed the covert where the chlorin is put and inhale.she almost died and turned blue almost immediately.I don’t think that the grand parents are involved and remember,you always love your children no matter what and it is hard to not believe in them. I think that Caylee was first unconscious and thrown in a body of water infested by aligators! I lived in Florida for 12 years and even had one in my garage once. I don’t think that they will ever find them and she is gaining time by stalling- 6 months from now, she’ll go forward and make up an accidental story, after all,she already has been convicted!
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