More pages of documents on the missing child, Caylee Anthony have been released to the public. Caylee’s mother Casey Anthony is in jail held on charges of first degree murder in the Orange County Jail.
These documents reveal that there were searches made on March 17 on Casey’s computer on “how to make chloroform,†“neck breaking†and “shovelâ€. There were also searches for “alcohol†“acetone,†“peroxide,†“hydrogen peroxide,†“death,†and “weapons out of household products.â€
They do not know for sure that who made the actual search but it has been determined that Cindy Anthony, Casey’s mother was at work at the same time these searches were done.
A sheet of paper was found in Casey’s car with Casey Anthony’s name written on it in several variations only it had the last name written as “Lazzaro†instead of Anthony. Casey’s boyfriend when Caylee went missing was Tony Lazarro. In the documents it states that Tony said he had told Casey that if he ever would start a family he would want to have boys not girls
Circuit Judge Stan Strictland denied the request for a gag order in this case. The state attorney had requested the gag order to prevent the prosecutors, defense lawyers, Orange County investigators and the Anthony family from talking about the case but yesterday they agreed to not include the Anthony family in the request.
Casey Anthony’s lawyer, Jose Baez has accused the state of leaking out a lot more information but Orange County Assistant State’s attorney detailed several national televised appearances that Baez himself made that was intended to influence jurors. He says to let this continue would make it virtually impossible to find an impartial juror in the state of Florida.
“There’s a lot of hot air, but not a whole lot of law,†said Baez about Ashton’s presentation. He says the first Amendment prohibits the government from ordering people what to say except in a case where there is clear and present danger. Ashton came back and said that a Florida Supreme Court ruling that says a judge could impose the order for good cause, not just danger. Judge Strictland threw out the subpoenas for several TV reporters. As both sides argued things got heated up in court Judge Strictland had to tell off both sides. “This is enough,†Strictland said. “Someone’s facing life imprisonment. Let’s act like we’re suppose toâ€
In a press conference George and Cindy Anthony spoke out about what they thought about the FBI video’s that were released. They claim they felt like they had been ambushed. They told reporters that they didn’t even know they were being videotaped and had no idea the tapes were being released until they saw in on the local news on TV. How can George say he didn’t know they would be taped when he is an ex-cop. They all know this. Did he think he would be exempt?
They say this proves that investigators are not looking for Caylee anymore. She says instead they are just interested in building a case against their daughter, Casey. The videotapes revealed that according to George’s own statements that he smelled that odor in the car and he described it as a distinct odor, that’s something you don’t forget. “I believe that something was in the back of that trunk. I don’t want to believe that it was my granddaughter,†George Anthony said in the videotapes talking to the FBI.
He also admitted that his daughter had lied. “Is my daughter not telling the truth? Yeah,†he said. “She knows a lot more than what’s going on. Has she completely blanked this out or is she just trying to cover up something that might have gone wrong? That’s possible.â€
Listening to these tapes you can hear it in George’s voice that in his heart he knows Casey has done something even though he doesn’t want to believe it. George seems as though he is torn between his wife and daughter and his granddaughter and doesn’t know who he should stand by. If he stands by his wife and daughter then he would be betraying his granddaughter and if he stands by Caylee he will lose his wife and daughter.
It is a tough situation for anyone to be in and I wouldn’t want to trade places with him at all, although I have raised my kids to be honest. I have always taught them to tell the truth no matter what the cost. I know in my heart that if this were my child and I thought they had done harm or that they were involved in harming one of my grandchildren I would have to stand by them but not lie for them to cover up what they did. There is a difference.
I want to say that tomorrow will be a very sad day for the Anthony’s. It is Thanksgiving and even though I have my own opinion of the Anthony’s and this case no one should be going through this at all especially during the holidays. I ask that everyone stop and say a prayer for this family, no matter how hard your hearts are towards them. If nothing else pray that they find peace and once they find that peace maybe they can face reality.
I am saying a prayer for them and one for Caylee. She is the one that has been deprived her life. Even if she is alive somewhere like the Anthony’s want to believe this little girl has still been torn from her family. I agree that they might not be the best, but they were her family and it was clear that she loved her grandparents. She was ripped away from them and now everyone hurts from it. All because of one little spoiled brat that sits in the Orange County Jail getting served three meals a day but desserts if she wants them. She is the woman that is in jail and being treated like she is a celebrity. She should be given a toothbrush daily and some comet and made to clean the women’s bathrooms and showers in the jail and make her work from daylight to dawn and fed bread and water until she told the truth.
Happy Thanksgiving Caylee, where ever you are. When I sit down to eat tomorrow I will say a little prayer for you again. God bless you sweetheart.
Happy Thanksgiving to all of you that has opened your hearts to Caylee Anthony. God Bless you all!
Jan Barrett
Editor’s note: I also would like everyone to say a special prayer for one of our regulars in the comment section here, Kris. She is having surgery Friday and I am sure she would welcome all the prayers she can get have a speedy recovery afterwards. May God be with you Kris, I know he will be holding your hand. My prayers are with you.
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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackI have to assume LE has tried to tell Casey’s parents all the shocking evidence they have gathered. It’s unbelievable to me that Cindy would be trying to convince the public what a great & loving mother Casey was. Casey, herself tells a friend she’s “THE WORST MOTHER.”
Does Cindy think the jury will NOT hear Casey’s own words?
I’d like to see how the defense can ever claim Caylee’s death was some tragic accident when mom of the year was busy searching for such horrible things months before Caylee’s final day.
Casey deserves the death penalty…. AB-SOLUTELY! I didn’t believe it before but I do now. Casey doesn’t deserve to breathe the air the rest of us need.
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Best of luck, Kris. I wish you a successful surgery & a speedy recovery.
HEYO
Hey, Kris! We’re all thinking of you! Hope you have a good Thanksgiving tomorrow and please know that you are in our prayers – and will be especially on Friday!
Amen Jan…bout Kris…
Mytwocents…..hows dem pie’s??
wesh.com wrote about this part of one of the docs released today. We’ve all wondered about C’s family not helping out. Well here’s a clue why! They are SANE! They ask the same questions we do! And C is giving her brother the same BS she’s given everyone else! And he won’t stand for it.
This from wesh.com
“In numerous e-mail correspondences that occurred between August 11 and August 22 between Cindy Anthony and her brother, Rick Plesea, the two discuss Caylee’s disappearance. Plesea repeatedly accused Casey Anthony of killing Caylee and asked his sister to provide proof that the babysitter Casey Anthony referred to actually existed.
“Your ignorance is intolerable. I am your brother and I demand to know if anyone other than Casey has seen this stupid sitter. If you can’t answer that simple request then you are by yourself on this. You need to get some psychiatric help,” Plesea wrote.
In Cindy Anthony’s response, she wrote, “There is a sitter. We have people tracking her, the OCSD is not doing their job, but we have other sources who are.”
Cindy Anthony also refers to unreleased evidence in several of the e-mails. She told her brother there is information that the media does not know.
In one response, Cindy Anthony writes that, “We cannot come out with other evidence until Caylee is safe.”
In another she said, “There’s a lot you guys don’t know and we cannot say. I can assure you I am not mad at you but the facts cannot be released for many reasons.”
..she wus dilusional…
Hi, Pickles! Already made them pies! So tomorrow all I have to do is everything else!
LOL! Hope you have a great Thanksgiving! And let’s remember to “meet up” Friday morning for Kris, okay?
Mytwocents we movd frum the Caylee Anthony case if gettng more intriging
Yeppp Friday morning…I gots it!!!
Spanksgivng is gunna rok..I luv it..so much and since I am mostly immagrant and muh ol man is mostly native american its almost authentic!!!
whip me bumpy, whip me lol.
kwwaapshhh
Pervert!! 😛
I totally need to clean muh favorites…gettn cluttrd wit ol articles
Dunt worry bout them attackn us…its Thanksgivng…I think that since 9/11 our govt. has learnd how to protect our lands…..we hope anyways..
Kris, we wish you the best of luck Friday. God will be holding you very close. He will walk you through this tough time. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well. (((hugs)))
Casey Anthony Documents Talk Of Chloroform, Neck-Breaking And Incest
Nearly 700 pages of evidence released in the Casey Anthony case contain disturbing internet searches, accusations of a frame-up and allegations of potential incest in the Anthony family.
The investigation has brought out accusations Casey had been making against those closest to her, namely that her father George has abused her, and that her brother Lee made inappropriate sexual advances toward her once when she was in junior high. The documents show Casey said her mother Cindy did not believe that to be true.
The newly released court documents show Casey Anthony searched for information on chloroform, types of shovels and neck-breaking on her computer in the time before her young daughter Caylee disappeared.
The documents reveal that Casey searched those items in March, at the same time she was also looking on missing children web sites. Casey reported her daughter missing in June. Casey claims she left Caylee with a babysitter but that person has never been found and Casey now stands charged with Caylee’s murder.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18152501/detail.html#-
Investigators also say the documents indicate that Casey might have been considering coming clean a couple of times. On the day she was indicted for murder she actually called her attorney from the sheriff’s headquarters and hinted she might help investigators find Caylee. But once she talked to him she changed her mind. In August, she was about to meet with her father at the jail but once again it appears her attorney talked her out of it.
Okay, new theory: Baez’s big shocker will be:
Lee raped Casey and ended up pregnant with Caylee. Cindy called Casey a liar. She didn’t want to keep Caylee cause she was an everyday reminder of what Lee did to her. She hates her mother for making her keep Caylee. She became so depressed and couldn’t take it anymore, so the only way she could get out of this depressing situation was by killing Caylee.
That will be the big shocker we’re all suppose to wait for trial to hear.
Yapp Happy Thanksgivng…Totally…
(((HUGGZ))) and fur Kris….we luv yah.. 🙂 🙂 🙂
Boop booop buh dooop booop!!
I am takn muh sweet time cleanin muh house fur duh holiday…pfft who cares…I am not gunna rush…if I do I get heart palpilations frum the stress and anxiety of the powr clean!!!
Once again. If they are watching this person who has Caylee, Why follow up on “sightings”??? Because Cindy knows she’s full of shit and trying to lead the LE in the wrong direction on purpose. Why not just tell the LE who this “person” is and go get your granddaughter? Because once again, it’s not true and Cindy knows it.
Bumpy, if they don’t like how your house looks, they can eat outside lol.
IF they are watchng the person with Caylee then Caylee wuld of come home by now..are they spewn that nonsense again or is that an old thing>???
They can get a tuh go dish….dats fur sur
C’s own brother feels M killed Caylee.
Everyone feels that…everyone evn that guy that went to law school way bak when with bb…
Whut???
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Im at a loss also whut the heck is that??
Somebody has put a link to bloggrnews on ther webpage is all….
click on the name it goes to her page
PAW69 its okay yew can come bak out now 😛
lol
I was ready the site from her name. lol
reading*
Yah its cool…advertismnt..we are a “household” name… 😛
Hey Charisse yew der???
Urr Primewriter are yew Charisse…?? How goes it Bein Venidos bloggrnews… 🙂
NG is going to be busy tonight.
I bet…I mean them 700 docs are very interestng
yes they are.
Gotta question.
Why did they put Bush at camp david when these attacks in india started? Or was he already there? It’s unclear to me.
I dunt kno….maybe its procedure..maybe he wus there??? whois kno’s
I mean whut does it say bout him bein @ Camp David???
CNN said he was watching the situation closely from now camp david. Not sure whether he was sent there or already there.
It says that that place in India is a hot spot fur terror attacks…
Oh well than hes prolly already ther…maybe fur duh holiday isnt that where he goes on holidy?? Or is that his home I dunt kno..I dunt keep up on the pres..
yes because of the american and british military and business people who go there alot for business and/or tours.
He’s from texas lol.
Okay I find this statement from the prosecution to be BS
At a hearing Tuesday, prosecutor Jeff Ashton told Strickland that Anthony’s defense attorneys have revealed privileged attorney-client information on national television, as defense attorney Jose Baez accused prosecutors of leaking evidence to the media.
Does this guy not know that he is accusing Baez of giving reporters information that is Attorney=client and if so that Baez could be dissbared for doing it. I guess this guy doesn’t have a clue. and also this staement:
If I go out in front of the cameras right now and say Caylee Anthony is dead, that would be grievous,” Ashton said. “That’s not my job.” Well sorry to tell hom the FBI and LE already did. What has this guy been hiding under a rock.
As a precaution against a simultaneous attack, the President would be moved to Camp David. Terrorist bombs go off all the time over there, but not in this magnitude and not typically directed toward Western targets.
Val,ty for clearing that up for me.
Dak, that is very odd.
Something tells me the prosecutions case is not as solid and strong as everyone wants to believe.
Undr a rok….quite possibly…
Yah yah yah….
If the prosecutions case wusnt that solid then the judge who works fur the state wuld of grantd the gag order but he said that ther wus no threat to the Administration of justice…
Or maybe they want a “real” attorney on the case.
At this point this case is so far out of hand, someone “the judge” needs to put an end to all this madness and BS all the way around with everyone.
Also too makes me wonder about the air samples. They did a study at UCF and they found no signs of human decopm in the gas samples they did.
Its a little too late for that PAW.
If there wasn’t, what caused the horrendous odor??? They’d better be able to identify it as something else, and I’ve heard no credible speculation.
It’s never too late. He can tell them all to shut the hell up and quit bickering at each other and focus on the real situations.
Also among the documents was the fact that the University of Central Florida conducted a test on gases found in the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car and found no signs of human decomposition. A lab in Tennessee allegedly found signs of decomposition believed to be human.
Its whut it is this woman has killd her child and hid the remains real good…I mean at most she’ll get some hefty sentence up to life…all of the circumsances speak loud nad clear…
Now if I Was a defense attorney I would roll with the UCF findings to rebute the Body Farms results.
I’d walk the jury past the trunk.
Also I had a thought. What if the chloroform was in the trunk before Caylee went missing since it was in March.
Oh I see that wus in the docs?? hmm…welp isnt that interstng..so then wher is Caylee..I mean if she isnt dead..who the heck wulda kept her this long???
What’s the shelf life of Chloroform? How many months would spilled chloroform be detectable?
Well my though is if Casey planned this whoever has Caylee could still have her. I’m think that the DNA could be planted. I don’t think its totally impossible. As far as the searches I do searches sometimes for some really strange thing especially if I am watching a movie or tv shaow and wonder if something like what I see is possible.
If I wus the defense bowd out now and thro in the towel ther is all this chattr that the prosection dunt have a strong enuff case…IF I wus a juror who had nevr heard of Caylee or her mothr or the rest of the family…(IF I livd undr a rok) I wuld think she wus guilty…I think the circumstantial evidnce speaks loud and clear…so whut if the UCF didnt find any decomp in there test..cus the one the feds did found there to be evidnce of decomp..I mean I doubt the feds just made it up..like they aint got nuthn bettr to do…
Well I’m sure there could be mistakes. If the sample UCF had were the same samples they sent Tennesse it could be contaminated.
Dak you GO!! allright…
As fascinating as all these speculations and story lines are, I still go with “If it looks like a duck” concept! I think that is what the jury will ultimately do after they go through the bombardment of conflicting testimonies.
Ohh gosh ok…we in America have highly advancd tools in the field of forensics..and our federal govt..and agencies and employees have access to these tools..I mean I guess Dak
I trust Florida about as far as I can throw it.
Val I too believe that Sweet little Caylee came to the demise of her mothrs personal ambitions…I think it is a sad and horrible situation that has occurd in frunt of all America..I sometims wish to nevr of known Caylee…Im sorry its a harsh thing to say..cus I luv evryne in here and this blog..but she has etchd herself into my brain…I dunt care how insane that is..but its true…woman do it all the time…they kill there childrn…and they splayd Caylee all ovr the tv and net…fur the nation to see..they dunt do it fur evry child..
Okay the FBI and LE have been known to make mistakes in their testing so its not a 100% science.
True, Pickles, but she represents those children in my heart, and reminds me that we all need to be vigilant for others welfare.
With all the people involved in testing and retrieving samples and the surroundings(the bodu farm with all those dead bodies laying around exposed )there could be contamination. All it takes is one little error to screw everything up.
killr is just so selfish that she wont just spill the beans bout where she disposd of Caylee…she could end it all…evn nejames said so in his resignation lettr…that “let c and g hold on to there hope…but I believe there is only one person out of 6 million who holds the key to Caylee and thats her mothr..ok..not sightngs or zanny or anyone..just killr…she needs to just give it up…let it go…shes goin to prison anyways…g puked when he wus givn his statement to the LE or feds..its real…she did it…
Ahh poo Dak..I kno…I kno the feds and LE make mistaks it is possible
here ya go bumpy,
Investigators also say the documents indicate that Casey might have been considering coming clean a couple of times. On the day she was indicted for murder she actually called her attorney from the sheriff’s headquarters and hinted she might help investigators find Caylee. But once she talked to him she changed her mind. In August, she was about to meet with her father at the jail but once again it appears her attorney talked her out of it.
Yah Dak I kno it culd happn I kno all bout body farm and the dead body tests…I kno bout the contamination risks…they are there..
Right come clean muh foot…I bet she wus just doin that fur sho…more bs..
Everybody is forgetting a couple of things, like no BODY so no time of death, place of death, cause of death,no physical suspect connection(no evidence directly connecting anyone). They have Casey only because she is the mother and the last one to see her. And even though she drives the car it is technically C and G’s car so its not even her car. They have no evidence on her connecting her to a crime.
Yah no evidnce connectng her to the disapearance to her daughtr or any evidnce connectng her to the car…not her purse or id or keys in the car when it wus found..I kno Dak they have no evidnce at all connectng her to the crime of HER DAUGHTRS disapearance..I kno..its all there in blak and white..
You’re right Dak, they need to arrest them all and sort it out later!
FAMILY TENSION
The released documents show Grund also told investigators Cindy wanted Caylee to call her “Mommy” in front of Casey.
Casey’s parents’ financial problems almost shattered their marriage but ended up saving it because Cindy couldn’t afford divorce. The investigation showed Cindy supported George for years. He lost thousands of dollars in a U.K. lottery scam.
The documents also show the following:
Cindy told her mother that Caylee was her life and her mother says if not for Caylee, Cindy might have harmed herself.
Just before Caylee disappeared, Cindy was about to throw Casey out of the house and try to get custody of Caylee. She caught Casey lying. At one point, Cindy talked about choking Casey, presumably out of frustration.
Friends said Casey was “annoyingly giddy” two weeks after investigators believe Casey murdered Caylee because her boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro was returning to Orlando after a trip home to New York for the Fourth of July weekend. Lazzaro told investigators that Caylee was “great” but he did remember telling Casey that he wanted to have sons, because his little sisters taught him how tough it is to raise girls.
Investigators also found Casey’s doodlings, writing her name as Lazzaro’s wife, with hearts in the script.
I think without the body they won’t get a death sentence. The reason is : The air sample from Tennesse have never been used in Florida and don’t think the first time they are used here they will get a death sentence, and without a case of death and evidence connecting Casey to the killing
Her daughtr as you like to put it has disapeard frum this earth and her mothr has dun nothng but lie and decieve the world since the world found out…and before the world found out she wus out partyng and drinking it up…on the fourth of July 2+wks aftr she said she last saw HER CHILD..she wus gettng drunk wearng only a americn flag to covr herself…night aftr night she wus out partyng shopping havng a good ol bella vida..no child…I mean it is HER Daughtr as you like to put it Dak…do you have childrn Dak??? because she wus last seen with HER daughtr and now her daughtr is gone…poof vanishd…she needs to be held accountable till her daughtr re-appears…wethr Caylee is alive or not..she has to be questiond and watchd until her daughtr shows bak up…and now shes in on murder 1 …the grand jury thought it wus enuff to indict her on…but wether Caylee is alive or not..she is 100% resposnsible fur that child and she needs to be more honest about that childs location…I think she fits all the characteristics of a suspect…fur this childs disapearance
Pickles said:
Yah no evidnce connectng her to the disapearance to her daughtr or any evidnce connectng her to the car…not her purse or id or keys in the car when it wus found..I kno Dak they have no evidnce at all connectng her to the crime of HER DAUGHTRS disapearance..I kno..its all there in blak and white. Sorry hun but that doesn’t prove she KILLED her daughter
I agree, Dak, I don’t see the death penalty, mainly because the grandparents would suffer a double loss and I think the jury would take that into account.
Okay Pickles the American Flag picture was taken at a party before Caylee went missing. And just finding any DNA in the trunk would have gotten an indictment.
I thought it was a July 4th party picture. Caylee was last seen on June 16.
Its just ridiculous to say that there is nothng to tie her to her daughtrs murder/disapearance she is her MOTHER she has care control and custody of that child 24/7 365 I mean it just dunt work like that…to say oh well theres just nothng tying her to her daughtrs disapearance/death…her mothr is suppose to always be there with her she is a small child 2 almost 3 she needs her mother at all times…I think there is sufficiant enuff circumstantial evidnce to tie her mothr to the crime…
It wus 4th of July party pic…and she said she last saw Caylee on June 16th..
No the Flag picture was at the no clothes party and Casey even mentioned it one of her text messages about going to wear it in all its Glory(not exact words but close).
Yah the flag wus at the barely clothd fourth of July party…and killr said she last seen Caylee on June 16th so if the fourth of July party is on the fourth of July and June 16th is a cuple a weeks before fourth of July I guess she wus out partying…
Ohh whutvr…
Okay Pickles say one of your kids gets abducted(just a hypothetical)and the abducters kills your child then I guess since she is your child and you are suppossed to have control and custody of them 24/7 365 then you should go to jail for child neglect or murder because you could keep your child safe.
Everybdy in that pic is wearing red white and blue…
Pickles go back and read the docs the flag pic was taken before Caylee went dissappearing. The no clothes party was not in July
Ok Dak the abductors killd Caylee allright..hey Im outta here..gnite all thats just ridiculous…Happy Thanksgiving..Dak you shuld write killr in jail and give her some moral support I think you wuld do her some good fur her esteem…
The net says it was a May 25th no clothes party, good catch, Dak, so why is the pic relevant to her partying after the murder?
I didn’t say the abducters killed Caylee was just trying to comment back on what you said.
She should have called 9 1 1 the moment she knew she was missing, she should have taken a poly to clear herself so LE could move on quickly, she should have been honest from the beginning. She shouldn’t have waited 31 days later to call LE.
SHE KILLED HER DAUGHTER. That is why she did NONE of the above.
And yes there is evidence tying her to Caylees dissappearance but nothing to a murder.
cloriform being searched on her pc and chloriform found in her car is coincidence right?
Caylee missing and human decomp in casey’s car is coincidence too right?
If the Ant’s really wanted their granddaughter to be found they would let Tim and Leonard do their searches with no flack from them. They would give everyone all the information they know no matter what. If Casey was truly innocent, she would talk and tell the truth.
There is evidence of decomp in the car (stain, air, hair. stench) that M drove for a couple of weeks after the child was last seen. Could tie her to a murder IMO.
Bumpy, if your still here, you’ve got mail.
So Dak, are you saying that everyone who kills their child and does a good job of hiding the body should not be charged with murder? That any evidence other than a picture, finger print or DNA is not proof that a mother killed her own daughter, regardless if everything else points directly at her?
I think that these murders are becoming more prevalent because people can get away with it due to the things you state. What a sad corrupted world this would be without law enforcement who work long hours to find justice for victims, while defense attorney’s find people who believe their harebrained stories. But, that’s who defense attorneys are looking for to have on the jury.
How and why would anyone believe a liar and a thief who didn’t report her daughter missing for 30 days and gave names of people who do not exist over scientific proof of human decomposition in the truck of the mother’s car where a death band hair was also found? A missing child plus human decomposition and hair equals death. Sorry, in my book there are no chances that another body was in the trunk. That’s laughable.
It’s pretty obvious to me that you choose to believe the mother in this case as appose to the evidence that law enforcement has, but that’s your prerogative.
MMT I meant that if a child is abducted and killed the parent isn’t held responsible for the death, but Pickles said that a parent is supposed to have control of these situations 24/7 365 days a year.
Dak, I was talking about what you said prior to that.
Dak, I honestly feel that in my opinion, you took what Bump said, wrong. If you go back and read that post slowly, I’m sure you’d understand it a little better.
Pickles – You were in such a good mood, getting ready for Thanksgiving. I’m so sorry that you were run off (well, you know why). Of course, we should respect everyone’s opinion but we must never forget that Dak has shown for months that he does not believe in logic or science and admittedly distrusts govt authorities. That’s his right. I respect that, but I refuse to go down the paths he chooses to travel. Just ignore it.
To reiterate, one can indeed conclude as a fact that Casey was in possession of the car while Caylee’s body was decomposing in the trunk. This is a fact, whether someone wants to admit it or not. Deductive reasoning proves it.
And the FBI Forensics Report shows more than one type of test used. Two types of tests indicate decomposition. A third test determined the hair with death band belonged to either Caylee or Casey. Besides the science-based air sampling, they did laser testing on the stain, which also indicates decomposition.
So pickles, don’t worry about it, and don’t let someone else get you down. Be thankful that m will not get away with it and that the FBI and LE have done their jobs. M will be convicted, and justice will be served on behalf of precious Caylee.
JAN – How very thoughtful for including Kris in your blog. We will all be praying for a successful surgery and quick recovery.
NG on in minutes! Should be a busy show tonight! bbl
Pickles, your 6:50 pm comment was GREAT! I just wanted to tell you that before I leave to watch NG. 🙂
Dakdude3 said,in November 26th, 2008 at 7:02 pm: “And yes there is evidence tying her to Caylees dissappearance but nothing to a murder.”
My “only” response: The Grand Jury, who has seen the evidence, disagrees.
bbl (hey MMT!)
Sounds to me like even Renee (a defense attorney) is starting to sing a new tune on this case.
The Grand Jury would not indict Casey if the State did not have a strong enough case/strong evidence. They do not waste people’s time on “MAYBE ENOUGH EVIDENCE”…..
With that being said,
Dak, they have MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence to convict Casey of murder.
Hay that pic is frum May…welp thats cool anyways I mean…they have othr proof that she wus out partyng and since she her parents have implicatd all of her friends in all this im sur there gunna have alot more to talk bout at the trial…I just thought the pic wus frum the 4th cus of all the patrionism in the garb!!! Awww Tex aint no body runnin me off..I had to get a thing or two dun…I mean cmon Its dak….no hard feelngs here!!!
Spanks Therapist…I wus wrong bout the date on the sans cloths partay ..but thankx!!
And anywys Val is right why is that pic relevnt if its frum may?? To prove her lifestyle???
But still I kno shes guilty and the outcome is on like donky kong!!
Dak I say that she had control of her child cus she wus the last person seen with her child..then she didnt evn evr report her child missng I think its bizaare ok…she wus the last person seen with that child the last person…and more than a month l8dr her mothr calls the police cus the child is missng I think that that is un acceptable…I think that whut she wus out doing during that month plus of time while her child wus missng is important…I think she needs to be held until that child is safely bak home
Maybe I shuld be more clear about whut I mean…sorry I just think its rathr suspect that she takes the child ..the child vanishes then more than a month l8dr the grandmothr has to report the child missng…
Hi Everyone,
I was reading through everything but can’t fnd what picture you are discussing. Can someone tell me?
the pic of casey wearing the american flag.
Why doesn’t everyone in this case be compelled to take a lie detector test?
We seem to talk about lie detectors constantly even though they are not court evidence.
Has the lie detector test not become law because it might be used against the people in law themselves?
Is the court system afraid of the lie detector for personal reasons?
I think everyone working for the government who is put in a position of trust towards the public, should be compelled to take the lie detector before an independent board of some type, like a jury. I also think members of this board should be randomly picked as well as the questions asked of them.
Nancy I dare you to propose this measure. I know it will solve many problems in the future.
thanks
Does her ex boyfriend have an alibi for the timeframe in which Caylee went missing? Isn’t it odd that she would text him and say guess who will get blamed? It makes me wonder if he also knows what happened?
I think Mike Brooks did a great job with the Nancy Grace show tonight. Either he’s cute or I’m getting cataracts.
As they release more information I can see this case building more and more against M. I also think that C has backed herself into a corner and I’m not sure how she’s going to fight her way out.
Another person on the NG show that I really like and respect is Bethany and I believe that she is right on spot with her evaluation of the people and the situation. (Not that I know because I am only a Therapist wannabe)
Although I have written C off as being bazaar and deceitful I still have sympathy for G. I think he’s caught between a rock and a hard place. He wants to be truthful but like Bethany said, he never had a voice in the house. In my opinion he was always up against Hitler and Stalin.
Hey TEX!
smartychica, her ex boyfriend was cleared through a polygraph. He only knew her for a short time so and is a college student. When M said “Guess who will get blamed?” she was trying to make it sound like LE was going to pin it on her even though she was innocent. Which of course is a crock of lies.
Just reading an interview in the new docs with Richard Grund that back in 2006 Casey told him that she found someone to watch Caylee and told him that her name was Zenaida Gonzales, so there was someone she told that name to prior to the actuall search.
I see, I thought she made the statement prior to anyone knowng she was missing.
Richard interview from NG shows him saying Casey’s words, Zanny , Not Zenaida Gonzales. Which most people feel Zanny is short for Xanax.
GRACE: That is mom, Casey Anthony, in new recordings released of the police interrogation of Casey Anthony. She is referring to what many people believe to be an imaginary nanny named Zenaida Gonzalez.
Back to the father of Casey Anthony`s ex-fiance. Richard Grund is with us. Did you ever are know of this nanny, see her, talk to her, hear of her?
GRUND: I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.
Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named…
GRACE: But none of that is true. Jeffrey Hopkins says that`s not true.
GRACE: Did you ever know Zenaida Gonzalez?
HOPKINS: No, I don`t know who that is.
GRACE: Did Zenaida Gonzalez ever baby-sit your children?
HOPKINS: I have no children, Nancy.
Pickles said,in November 26th, 2008 at 6:18 pm If the prosecutions case wusnt that solid then the judge who works fur the state wuld of grantd the gag order but he said that ther wus no threat to the Administration of justice…
The administration of justice does not mean getting a conviction it means a fair trial. The state was argueing that the gag order would help to maintain Jury impartiality. The Judge rejected that arguement saying that the intense publicity would continue even if a gag were in place.
All of the people who were saying that for sure the Judge would make Baez shut up seem to have changed your idea.
Oh well the big strong prosecutor has thrown a tantrum because he didn’t get his way with the judge and is getting even by releasing 700 more documents about the personal communictaions between family members.
NOTICE THAT THE CONTENTS ARE BEING REPORTED IN THE MOST SALACIOUS WAY POSSSIBLE. Also notice how it is now reported that Casey searched for those terms while the documents do not state that as a fact.
I am a bit surprised that the judge was so gentle on the prosecution. But then I guess maybe he stills need a bunch of you to vote for him to get reelected next time. I guess he has to strike a delicate balance of trying to do justice without getting the public too angry with him.
Also I would love to see the people from WTF-TV or the beautiful Nancy Grace have all her emails published because she was the relative of someone accused of a crime. Now that would be poetic justice. Sort of like getting a telemarketers phone number and calling them at suppertime everyday 😉
I agree 100% Rob
william mac said,in November 26th, 2008 at 9:15 pm Why doesn’t everyone in this case be compelled to take a lie detector test?
We seem to talk about lie detectors constantly even though they are not court evidence.
Has the lie detector test not become law because it might be used against the people in law themselves?
Is the court system afraid of the lie detector for personal reasons?
I think everyone working for the government who is put in a position of trust towards the public, should be compelled to take the lie detector before an independent board of some type, like a jury. I also think members of this board should be randomly picked as well as the questions asked of them.
Nancy I dare you to propose this measure. I know it will solve many problems in the future.
People who get security clearances (and many police forces) require polygraph tests during the recrruitment process. If George or Cindy or Lee had accepted Polygraph tests you would now be reading 703 documents today and every private and their answers to every embarasing question the police felt like asking. I think it is pretty clear that non of you would want to tell the whole truth about everything that could be asked about you.
Have you picked your nose and ate it?
Recently?
And I would venture a guess that more than half of people have googled things more embarasing than. How to make …. Flower arrangements.
Also Rob its okay for Prosecution to release all the info that they have which would benefit them on a jury but if defense or Ants say what they want its a bad thing and corrupting a potitial jury(BS)
Yeah I don’t think a couple of the searches they release really matter because they are things that could pertain to anything.
Good evening all, i won’t be on long, but had to jum on to again wish you all a happy day tomorrow..
my thoughts on tonights news…
neck breaking? household weapons? death and all the other stuff? well. I am again speechless…this case has slowly turned into something far more henious than I imagined…
I can’t even read those words neck breaking… and to say it was someone other than M in that house doing those searches, well, I think the whole family is off the deep end, but I think we all know who would be doing those searches…
bump and MMT hello! wheres CHSAH? Ihave to work early, but am still reading..
Jan great post and I will say prayers for kris…
Its funny that they releaed all these docs and alot of it has already been released so why rehash it. Possibly to keep people think Caylee is dead and making sure people keep remembering everything that was said from the start. Talk about tainting a jury pool. If they have such a strong case why keep re-hashing a lot of the same crap and wanting a gag order, like that would matter.
and further… I had to ask myself are we given these website searches to put a dark spin on everything these people did or M did? and then i said ok we have all something on our puters embarassing or stupid stuff we may look up out of boredome, i bet every american computer has some kind of sex link or articles linked to their puters… BUT that being said never can I imagine why anyone would look up NECK BREAKING< how to make WEAPONS, CHLOROFORM RECIPES… even out of BOREDOM! so I say the searches have meaning and merit to this particular case…
Yes it is definitely a twisted double standard but it just points out the negative impact that publicity has on a case in every way. I hope that the people on the Jury will be able to forget about everything they think they know and just weigh the real evidence.
I wonder if the police case is so weak that they think they need to do this stuff.
Hopefully they have a really solid case because if not they are playing with a families lives for nothing and possibly little Caylees as well. It is all very fine to say there is no bad publicity buit not everyone has the intelligence and talent to capitalize on this kind of fame. Let’s face it Paris Hilton was able to do it because she was already rich and beautiful. How interesting would the Anthonies be once this is all over.
Maybe people should do their own searches on whats being released and see what they find instead of assuming what was found I know I already did and some of it could be from anything.
and the fact still remains to this day, where is caylee??? mom was supposed to have ahold of her 24/7 bottom line, to come home with a car reeking of death ( proved by not only LE FBI but family as well), and have no concrete answeras to where your child is, then lie about it, well, I think this case is open and shut, even without the zillions of other things that M stacked up against herself from day one, she needs to be on the poly herself, I hold mothers accountable to their children 24/7 and not saying kids don’t get kidnapped but if she did mom needed to do a poly and see what happened, since none of that happened i hold M accountable, NOT the ants M M M M
I’m mad tonight argh!!!
lol
I agree Pammy, lots of things may be interpreted as suspicious, but only if a child disappears and cadaver dogs think there’s a body in the trunk. Everything could be explained away if you isolate it, but this thick string (hangman’s noose) of evidence is pointing to no one but M.
I hold a mother accountable when she brings home a car with a reeking odor of death for explanations, I don’t even hold ants responsible for ANY answers only M M M!
the rest is just stuff brought out from the families business or particiaptaion, but if I were a juror I would only take into considerations like you said FACTS and the facts against M are overwhelming… she needs to come clean with what happened to the baby…
exactly VAL, if i am a juror I am not thinking about ANTS at all, what I am thinking about is M from day one M’s ridiculous lying, hiding, story telling, then bringing home a reeking car, for that alone, I hold HER responsible, and anything ants did to hep or whatever well its secondary for me to consider, first and foremost is M is accountable, since LE and FBI discounted everything she said , and then dogs came and hit on trunk then I am thinking this mother did something to this child. the rest coming out about ants business, marriage, money troubles its nothing to me in this case.. I am concentrating on M the hideous perpetrator who tore her whole family apart and to this day continues to do so until she will finally kill her own mother from the stress, and if not that the GRIEF!!! so another victim thanks to M M M
PammyLiz
Totally agree about the searches. Someone in the house searched those for some HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS reason. Was it Casey and was it actually related to Caylee’s death?
Personally I don’t think any of that material should be released except at the trial but you have a differnet system and more press freedom. I live in Canada and we can usually find more out about our high profile cases by reading your news coverage in the USA.
But on the plus side for Canada it would actually be a criminal offence for the prosecutor and Police to release the contents of private communications.
Rob.. nonetheless, I don’t always agree either with what is released, like ants business etc… personal stuff about them. BUT I still think sometimes the LE and people working this case hate this woman because they know what a monster she is and maybe they are enjoying showing the world exactly what kind of monster, although we already kind of new this… maybe they hate her so badly they want to bury her because like i said I can find nothing any good about M nothing the ants I can.. even with hiding lying, covering whatever these people are VICTIMS of their own child! M has nearly killed her mother halfway at this point, she doesn’t care though..
You gotta remember , In the state of Florida, It’s free for all information. It doesn’t have to come from either side. Once it’s released, it’s up for grabs for anyone, in the state of Florida.
And I believe that the State of Florida is the only state that allows this. Hence why they gag order did not take place.
I highly doubt george or cindy the nurse or lee brother would search out neck breaking, chloroform recipes or household weapon guides… it is more tangible to think that M the one with the missing 3 1/2 year old who brought the car back reeking of death ( and proved of death) would have been the one doing those non boredom, non run of the mill, heinious website searches out of boredom don’t you?
Why would Casey want to google search herself.
Well, when you really sit back and think about it, Casey is the only one in the bunch that didn’t want Caylee around. She didn’t want anything to do with Caylee, and she out of spite, she didn’t want anyone else to have anything to do with her either.
It took 30-31 days and for her mother to call 911 first before she did. But yet, when protesters were at her front door, she was on the phone in a hot minute.
Not once did she get on national TV and plea to the nation to help find her daughter.
Not once has she told the truth about anything revolving around the disappearance of her daughter.
Only Casey herself knows what really happened to Caylee.
If the Ant’s really knew where their granddaughter was and who has her, why wait? why hold that evidence? why allow your daughter to sit in jail with a tag on her of “accused murderer” around her neck? Why not go to the people your watching and get your granddaughter from them? Why go on about “sighting” if you know who has your granddaughter? Your watching them, so you know she’s nowhere else, right?
And then, Later , George states, Casey knows where her daughter is and she’s safe. Well if that’s true, then go get her. Once again, WHY WAIT???
yah everything the ants have done is un-understandable to me, but I am not them, they are what M made them become IMO… right or wrong…
From m’s own partying, and staying gone , not reporting her missing, only being dragged back home by mom like a schoolgirl, was she found out,
they need 12 mothers on this jury, none of us our buying it, none of us can even fathom it, and actually i think the media does need to stop on ants activities cause I don’t care! I care about justice for this baby harmed by her mother, if not harmed by her mother, then mother PROVE it poly yourself, show the world your telling the truth! nope ain’t gonna happen it is what it is a murder of a child by a mother, the ants and family are semi- victims and BIG DRAMA people for sure. but M is responsible for it, when she left that night and did the unthinkable whether she drugged her overdrugged her, or intentionally did it, its all heinious, and not condonded in this country, thank the lord… and it will be proved and it won’t be proved on the media hype but facts plain cold hard facts that cannot and have not been disputed
Casey’s right, she does know where Caylee is, and she’s right, she is safe, because she is now in GOD’s hands.
it does seem that media hype is alot in this case… but again let’s not forget plain cold hard facts, any of us if this were our sister, friend, mom or relative and FBI came to you with all they have what would you think of your relative? would you be saying No, I still don’t think she did this, hell no, you’d be saying she did this and now she’ll pay theres nothing we can do anymore to help this person and let the legal system punish them…thats what we all would do.. the drama family are the ants for sure, they do like and revel in it, but again they know it george knew it, cindy does to but is trying to keep from having a mental breakdown cause she knows she won’t come back if she does…so sad. the whole case is so sad. maybe i am riled up tonight cause night after night after night more comes out more twisted crap, and on a holidy little caylee should be eating her little plate of turkey and dressing tomorrow while C is taking vids, and bragging and showing her off… but no everyone is in ruins, G is sick as hell, and M is rotting already and has alreadybegun her sentence.. all for what? for what reason is caylee not here????????
If a mother (or anyone for that matter) Knowingly gives a child medication not prescribed to them by a doctor and they are harmed or die from that result is premeditated murder IMO.
If a mother knowingly overdoses a child with cold/flu medication (especially when they are NOT sick) is premeditated murder IMO.
Rob & Dak,
If I were being accused of murder like M, I would be doing everything in my power to prove I was innocent, INCLUDING TALKING TO LE! If my child was accused of murdering my grandchild, I would be doing EVERYTHING in my power to find my grandaughter and cooperate with LE in doing so…..regardless if they were pointing in my child’s direction as the culprit. I will venture to guess that 90% of the world would react more LIKE THIS, than like any of the Ant’s!!!
So, in summary, no……I would not care if my personal information or comments were exploited on national tv because I WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.
I haven’t seen where they have released the “booger” information yet? Can you point me to that site?? If not, well????? Do they pick their noses and eat because that really is something I’m sure LE asked of them???
Get real.
Rob – let’s all try to remember the real reason this turned into a media circus generously fueled by Florida’s sunshine laws. Casey Anthony refused to be honest with law enforcement. She never reported her child was missing until her mother forced her to fully a month later. She made false statements to law enforcement officers about the whereabouts of her child and who she was supposed to have left her with despite being given many, many chances to recant her admitted dishonesty. She has refused to cooperate in any way whatsoever since then and has used the flimsiest of excuses as to why (based she said on impressions of LE and FBI she got from TV and movies). There is no conscionable reason for going to parties for a month and looking for a missing toddler in your spare time and then saying that it’s because you don’t trust the FBI or LE to “do a good job”. There is no logical basis for saying that you are protecting your child or family by not reporting her missing and partying with friends. If she had been in trouble with ANYONE or owed anyone money, they would have simply killed her – they would have known her parents are worth nothing and her even less. The only possible reason the child would have been worth anything is if someone intended to use her for child porn. If that was the case, then every second Casey stalled or delayed finding her would put that child in greater danger than waiting and “watching”.
Her lies to her parents and LE are flimsy, her excuses for telling them are even worse.
Still, the state of FL has had to spend thousands upon thousands of man-hours to look for clues to find this child – since no credible leads were ever generated by the mother or her family.
You have to remember that this case is highly unusual in that LE and the prosecution are the ones asking for the gag order, not the defense. If they were making such great headway negatively “influencing” potential jurors with their evil media campaign they would have never requested that because it would have shut off what you deem to be their biggest advantage.
It sounds like you have never taken a polygraph if you imagine that police can ask you any embarrassing question from your past. The non-control questions are carefully limited solely to the investigation or the relevant subject. It isn’t anything like portrayed on TV or in movies. Except the part about being automatically tazered if you lie (sorry, dry humor is a family curse).
LOL CHSAH!! that made me laugh after a really crappy day, and coming home and hearing of neck breaking, weapon building, websites…
this case is gettin to me cause more that comes out more I can’t stand M and more I see this for what it really is, it is one of the most heinious crimes ever in my 46 years of breathing, towards a child, not saying there arne’t more, god no, theres more heinious but just the coldness, the calculateness and the method used…
GO PAMMYLIZ!! hey there!
According to what I just read and if I didn’t misread the computer that the searches were done on belonged to Ricardo Morales.
common sense will prevail in this case! Murder 1, life sentence.
Dak???? are you saying the ones about neck breaking and chloroform searches??? how do you know this and refresh me who is ricardo? in this case?
and what Dak, that doesn’t mean M didn’t use Ricardo’s computer?????
I am still chuckling OMG! lol
Pammyliz,
Ricardo Morales = one of many “ex-boyfriends”.
Dak, where is the link to the information you just provided?
Rob, where is the link to the “booger” picking?
Which searches? The Chloraform,Neck breaking,house hold weapons was on the family computer as well as Casey’s laptop. They found searches on both of those pc’s.
dak you didn’t reply is there something that shows this was ricardos computer? cause if thats the case then okeeee , then maybe this ricardo is looking up neck breaking, chloroforming, weapon building sites? I want to see where you read that
LMAO LMAO
If you ask me what is likely I would say the same thing I said at the start. “Everyone knows what this looks like.” I would never bet about a childs life but I think virtually everyone would guess that Caylee died at her mothers hands (somehow).
I know that I should just look away but it is so tragic ….
Any other ideas I have put out are just other ways of thinking about the case (perhaps twinged with some way of believing maybe Caylee could still be alive somewhere safe).
What pulled me into following this story a bit is really the bizarre not reporting the child missing and the (Perhaps justifiable) jump by the Police to being almost completely focused on building a case against Casey. I don’t care how guilty the mother seems it is still unforgivable to not really look for a missing child at all. They could easily have done both.
It also disusts me that people talk about looking for Caylee when they really main looking for a corpse.
Novalis, good blog comment!
Pammyliz & PAW69…..both good comments also.
Well Rob, according to Casey from what George said, Caylee is alive and well and safe and she knows where she is.
So why not tell the LE where she is? Why not go get her? Why make yourself look like a murderer? Why put your family through this hell?
Rob, said “Someone in the house searched those for some HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS reason. Was it Casey and was it actually related to Caylee’s death?”
You can’t look at one piece of evidence alone. Law enforcement ties it together with the rest of the puzzle that paints a clear picture of Casey being guilty of murdering her daughter.
Of course Casey wants to be free so she is going to lie to the bitter end to try and win her freedom. Defense attorneys are notorious for lying to win a case. Let’s face it, they are a big deal if so much evidence points to guilty and they get their client acquitted. Example… OJ, must I say more?
I have to admit that I am suspicious of people who continuously disregard strong evidence and believe the unbelievable. But, you have the right to believe the unbelievable, that’s your choice!
I am reading the new docs.
I do not think there is anyone (other than G C and some relative) loved ones, than LE who would jump for joy if this child were found safely, we forget these are fathers, mothers, people like us with an awful job to do… I do not for one minute think that they have not tried to find this child. NO WAY… but with every disguting action of M M M M
they had to just say it, shes gone, and now we have evidence. and just try to go from there.. what else can be done ,? searches across nations, and states, for what? while neck breaking, chloroforming websites are unearthed… no I would not expect them to keep on and keep on…I listened INTENTLY to those interrogation tapes, i was like motuh hanging open cranking the sound up to hear every tidbit detail she said, they were GREAT with her they BEGGED her they PLEADED with her to stop, she didn’t, i don’t know what else they can do
Rob,
If you came to this sight looking for reasoning as to why M is innocent, you won’t find it here. Nor will you find sympathy for M in anyway, except maybe Dak.
Tragic as it is, accept it for what it is, MURDER. There is no explanation as to why M did what she did…..to an innocent child. Caylee is deceased and forensics will prove that. Don’t know what website Dak is reading but there was decomposition in M’s trunk. Why we ANYONE NOT talk about Caylee in the past tense??????
MMT,
hello! EXACTLY, look at ALL the evidence and it puts together the FULL pieces of the puzzle. Thank you very much!
you always say your reading them dak but you never show us them I would like to see that this was ricardos computer, and even if so i would form an opinion that M had ahold of it, I do not believe G C or anyone even LEE did those searches!!!
Paw69….good questions, I’m waiting for answers Rob????? Dak?????
Another question:
WHY LASH OUT AT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO FIND CAYLEE?
Cindy has lashed out on everyone trying to find Caylee no matter if she’s alive or dead.
Cindy has crapped on everyone trying to help her look for Caylee and then has the guts to say no one is helping her.
When Tim came back AGAIN to look for Caylee, It didn’t turn out very well because Cindy was taunting them.
It’s likethat saying, “don’t bite the hand that feeds you”. Tim looks for anything and everything to find a person.
Why didn’t the Ant’s tell Tim about these so-called people they know who has Caylee?
Because it’s not true, that’s why.
You can’t expect people to look for a missing loved one if you don’t give them the information they need to find that person.
Did you guys get the impression tonite from Mike on the NG show that he thinks maybe the searches of the sex sites might be Lv?????
we can go back and listen to that interrogation, from the start of this case… everything she says/not says… is so clear.. alot of hmm hmmm..’s but mostly lies, no ALL lies to what happened to that supposed day caylee last seen…and what better way to clear yourself than going under poly, so maybe we could believe you?
To everyone that is stating that the prosecution is releasing all these documents, the documents are a matter of public record and can be accessed by any interested party, such as news organizations. The prosecutor was not upset at the fact that documents were being released but that Baez was personally appearing on various news programs and discussing the case and relating conversations that he had had with his client M, which should be secret under client privacy priviledge laws. They were unhappy about several interviews where he made statements such as “M and I are convinced the child is alive”. They were also decrying the fact that Kobelinski and Lee who are directly involved in the case amke regular appearances on the, Nancy Grace show, and I agree with that. If you may have noticed there have been no members of LE or FBI giving interviews to any news station, or TV show, and that was the cru of the prosecution demand for a gag order.I feel that they are correct in their assesement that Baez’s only chance of an acquitall or a lesser charge is his obstinate desire to make public statements to try to sway a potential jury pool. Baez came off as a somewhat bumbling neophyte lawyer at that hearing, not seeming to know proper court procedure. These are my opinions.
yah cause paddy stated when asked about that he said I wasn’t saying it was G he was IMPLYING lee… but even if LEE was looking at porn who cares? I am only interested in the heinious website searches…and what reason would lee have to research these types of things? no, we know who would be more interested in such things, someone with a sick demented mind
Paw69, that’s right. With ALL the lies….oh, excuse me “half truths” that ALL the Ant’s seem to have told, why do they expect anyone to believe them???? Ah…..brings to mind the story of the boy who cried “wolf.”!!!
Rob – from what do you base your impression on that LE is not doing a proper job examining all possibilities? The only one who seems to know or have an opinion on the matter is Cindy Anthony herself.
You would be perfectly justified in saying that if you were an “inside source” and actually knew what LE has or has not done – but since you, like the rest of us, seem dependent on the media to get your information, then you would have to be skeptical that the only person out there who seems to think LE is not working hard enough to solve the case is Cindy herself (and a non-profit of dubious reputation she has chosen to consort with). I have not seen any credible independent sources – journalistic or otherwise – that seem to agree with your assumption.
MMT:
I have to admit that I am suspicious of people who continuously disregard strong evidence and believe the unbelievable. But, you have the right to believe the unbelievable, that’s your choice!
Well said! Your so right.
PAW69 said,in November 26th, 2008 at 11:33 pm Well Rob, according to Casey from what George said, Caylee is alive and well and safe and she knows where she is.
So why not tell the LE where she is? Why not go get her? Why make yourself look like a murderer? Why put your family through this hell?
Well the obvious answer– she would not be helping her defense by saying anything.
The unlikely answer — maybe she doesn’t want to tell them where Caylee is because if she did right now she would lose custody of Caylee. If she waits until they convict her or aquit her then suddenly bringing Caylee out will lead to immediate overturn of the conviction and humiliation of the whole justice system so that they will not dare try to terminate Casey’s parental rights.
COMPUTER SEARCHES:
NO, the searches were NOT done on Ricardo’s computer. The searches were done on a computer at the Anthony home (during a time when Cindy was working).
What is says is that Ricardo used the same computer once–to look up his phone records (after al this mess happened).
This info can be confirmed in Doc 1 (of the myfoxorlando site).
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THANK YOU PAW for clearing up other incorrect info posted earlier here. To reiterate, Casey DID NOT mention Zeneida Gonzalez in 2006, as posted above by Dak. Casey mentioned the name ZANNY. HUGE difference.
Dak – Please double check your facts before posting them. Someone may consider them as truths and pass the info on. Thanks.
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Novalis — Good post, and funny about tazer. Too bad it isn’t true!
Hey CHSAH & Pammy! I’m baking pies & checking the blog now & then.
Saluki……well put, I’m impressed with you as always!
Novalis, that is true and thanks for pointing that out! Good job.
yah I just think each day that passes, and more stuff is uncovered of M’s hideous character and mindframe, is just one step closer tot he doors slamming shut on her or worse than that… I am amazed lately at how much can be found out about people , in texts, emails, pone records, pings lol makes you wonder how private are we really? but in something like this it indeed has given us things we couldn’t have possibly known, but for little caylee needed to be unearthed.. it just sickened me to hear this tonight, I mean physical nausea over it…heinious is the only word that comes to my mind, I don’t give ants much thought to be honest with you, in the tales coming out I ahve missed nearly 1/2 of it, what i do pay attention to is clear cold facts being proven against this demented mother..
Rob, Well the obvious answer– she would not be helping her defense by saying anything.
stick with your likely answer, it shows your intellect.
Rob, She would lose custody no matter what, she has neglected her child on numerous occasions. Her mother was in process of trying to get custody. Her mother felt she was an unfit mother. Even Casey has stated this herself.
CIT….I can smell those pies girl! mmmmmmm….
I love a girl who has her facts together!! good job! (as always!)
hey concerned! thanks for clarifying, i was willing to read dak’s docs he found, but seems that its clear they were done in the home…
Dak – I assume you’ve read my post. Perhaps it would be best for you to look it up again and you post your mistake about the computer. A retraction of sorts.
Again, the computer searches were not done on Ricardo’s computer. They were done on the Anthony computer.
Pammyliz, as a mother of a young child yourself and a grandmother of young children, it is beyond comprehension of us to understand what M has done. Nothing she could say to justify her murdering her daughter, will ever make me change my mind that she is the scum of the earth.
CHSAH – The pies do smell soooo good. Pecan, pumpkin, chess pie, apple. All homemade–what’s awful is that I can’t sneak a piece of any! Can’t show up with a pie with a piece missing!
OK good – I was concerned that my post had not shown up. The computer searches are a very serious issue.
this mother is definitely not holding back for fear of losing custody!!!!
that is something she didn’t even want custody of the child thats why she no longer has the child nor did the right thing and walked away like many other parents these days, instead to further torture everyone, and go on with her life ( in her demented mind) she had to play victim ” my child was stole”, I mean how would it look to her boy toys, ” oh I lost custody of my baby girl cause I am such a loser, and mom took her from me, hey do u wanna go out with me now?”..
LOL
Dak???? did you leave again?
Did you state the same thing CIT did, only in a backwards kinda way?????
She hates her mother because her mother got to hold her baby first. The same baby she didn’t want to keep anyways.
She didn’t even want her mother to have her because of her strong hatefullness towards her.
yes agreed concerned to me they are a very big issue coming out, a nauseating one… thats what got me riled up, as I struggle through working each day missing my girl all the time I’m at work, going through the drudges of my days , waiting to get off at 9 and see my whole reason for living, I just cannot fathom or stomach to come home and read about neck breaking now in this case. it just truly made me sick! I guess my point, and a tired one..lol is I cannot fathom, justify or even try to figure this murderer out any more… she is whats he is, she did what she did, and that is that…I have faith a guilty verdict will come swift and fast, and we will forget about little monster casey anthony…
CIT, what is chess pie?
Dak???????? I think a retraction is in order?
Pammyliz, the ONLY reason she would even have one iota of “worry” about losing custody of Caylee was because she would no longer have anything to “hold” over C&G’s head to get her way!!!!
Rob – she is going to lose custody of Caylee regardless. She showed wanton disregard for the safety of her child throughout.
Remember, the first charges against her were for neglect. They were dropped when the state felt it had enough evidence to indicate it was murder one. They would never have even thought to do that if they did not have reason to believe premeditation.
If you and Dak wish to appear to be credible skeptics, you need to apply your logic processes or skepticism equally to both sides of the argument. I only see you selectively questioning or analyzing one side. Which is fine – just please recognize it for what it is.
I like the talk about pies instead of boogers!
Even the mother’s who are in prison for killing their kids and later admitted to it, stood in front of the nation pleading for the nation to help find their kids, they had tears and all as well.
But No, Not Casey, We are suppose to believe she’s innocent, yet she couldn’t stand in front of us and ask for us to help her find Caylee.
The only TEAR she weeped, was when the judge wouldn’t let her walk out of jail, and then a TEAR when she had to go back.
Okay I’m getting this info from the new docs and Richard grund did say Casey said she found a new sitter and went into detail giving him the name Zenaida Gonzales. And it was Jesse grund who was at the Ants looking up his phone records.
lol I am working right now with the girl on that one that subject, lol trying to explain what they are and better what to do with them!
LMAO
I hear its something they grow out of I PRAY! PRAY
pammyliz — I understand completely. Last night, I got really upset after reading the Forensics Report. It just suddenly made it all so very real to read the details. Broke my heart yet again.
All that little girl wanted was to be loved. How is that too much to ask? Well, all of America and beyond has now fallen in love with her. I just hope that there’s some way all this love travels across the universe, landing in her heart. I hope she feels it–somehow.
And Saluki LE has been on TV giving statements.
Novalis, darn….you run circles around my intellect! You fit right in with your blogging style. Your bloggin’ with some good bloogers (I mean bloggers) tonight! MMT, Pammyliz, PAW69 are some regulars and THEY ARE ALL good!
novalis said,in November 26th, 2008 at 11:45 pm Rob – from what do you base your impression on that LE is not doing a proper job examining all possibilities? The only one who seems to know or have an opinion on the matter is Cindy Anthony herself.
You would be perfectly justified in saying that if you were an “inside source” and actually knew what LE has or has not done – but since you, like the rest of us, seem dependent on the media to get your information, then you would have to be skeptical that the only person out there who seems to think LE is not working hard enough to solve the case is Cindy herself (and a non-profit of dubious reputation she has chosen to consort with). I have not seen any credible independent sources – journalistic or otherwise – that seem to agree with your assumption.
1. The Police told Casey to her face on the first day of their search that Caylee is dead and that she needs to stop telling lies.
2. Everyone searching in swamps and parks etc was not looking for Caylee.
3. The police have now said that they will no longer even bother to investigate any leads from the public about sightings of a live Caylee. That is fine if she is dead and it probably makes good sense for rationing resources but there way to claim that the Police are looking for Caylee — at all let alone properly. The FBI will of course be continueing to keep her image in search database in case her image comes up in online child exploitation but of course that would be subject to a gag order and the public would never be told.
Dak – I read (and so did PAW) that Casey told him ZANNY, not a full name. Please tell where you are reading this, since no one else has read this, nor has it ever been shared on any news report I’ve ever read.
oh I know God is just smothering her with all the love for her, I am certain of that!
I know I think some things about the case just hit more nerves than others, instead of coming home to anything minutely positive it just gets worse and worse and more demented
pammyliz……ick! I’m not looking forward to that stage with my grandaughter! lol…..you are too funny! she hasn’t found them yet!
Richard interview from NG shows him saying Casey’s words, Zanny , Not Zenaida Gonzales. Which most people feel Zanny is short for Xanax.
GRACE: That is mom, Casey Anthony, in new recordings released of the police interrogation of Casey Anthony. She is referring to what many people believe to be an imaginary nanny named Zenaida Gonzalez.
Back to the father of Casey Anthony`s ex-fiance. Richard Grund is with us. Did you ever are know of this nanny, see her, talk to her, hear of her?
GRUND: I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.
Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named…
GRACE: But none of that is true. Jeffrey Hopkins says that`s not true.
GRACE: Did you ever know Zenaida Gonzalez?
HOPKINS: No, I don`t know who that is.
GRACE: Did Zenaida Gonzalez ever baby-sit your children?
HOPKINS: I have no children, Nancy.
CHSAH — lol. Chess Pie is also known as buttermilk or custard pie. It’s basically an old “country” recipe of a buttermilk custard, with pecans on top. My favorite pie. 🙂
I’m not retracting anything, LE did do searches on Ricardos computer with those words of course they didn’t find anything, but they did search. As far as the Richard grund statements he did make another staement where he did sya casey said the the name Zenaida Gonzales, I just read it a while ago.
rob
Number 1
the police knew a liar when they heard one so they told her to stop before she continued, she did continue.. and they knew already, do you not have any faith in detectives who work these demented cases each and every day? caylee is not the only child ever murderered!
so, to say they didn’t look from that day I don’t agree with, they begged that monster to come clean even being kind about what will happen to her… but no she went with her story to save her own A**…and in my mind its because people like her know what they are and they can’t even face themselves what they are.. so she cannot dare let mommy and daddy know the true monster she really was.. never
Dak, Show us the website please.
They even put immunity on the table and Casey still would not talk.
Concerned In Texas – chess pie is one of my favorites!
CHSAH – it is a custard pie, very rich – not unlike pecan pie without the nuts. It’s a very Southern dish – and the name may have come from someone asking what kind of pie? oh, ‘jess pie.
I personally like a lemon chess pie. Haven’t made one in a while. Thank you for the reminder.
thank you paw I had forgotten about that one the immunity another “deal” pleading with her and she smacked them in the face…
Okay go to this link
http://www.wesh.com/news/18152171/detail.html
under casey Anthony docs 1 go to page 44 and read for yourself.
So with them putting immunity on the table, I think LE did everything to find Caylee. NUFF SAID!!!
ROB…ROB….ROB…..
1. The police “believed” that Caylee was dead from the beginning because of the outlandish lies and attempts to lead LE in a different direction other than to find Caylee. Police interrogation routinely is to accuse the accused of killing someone in hopes of getting a confession. That’s what ANY good LE training would expect an LE interrogator, etc. to do.
2. EVERYONE looking for the little Caylee from LE, Tim, to Leonard Padilla and numerous volunteers WERE LOOKING FOR CAYLEE in the swamps and river, etc. Just not a live Caylee! (you sound like the Ants…)
3. If C&G can afford high priced defense team for M, then they can pay for private PI’s to follow up on leads the Ant’s say are “legit” and quit wasting tax payer dollars on wild goose chases. And for your info, they do FOLLOW UP on those leads, they contact LE in that area and let them handle it! Just b/c they don’t get on the next plane and fly out on a tip, doesn’t mean they aren’t following thru on it.
The interview from Richard Grund that I am referring to was on Sept 5th
oh oh oh CHASH they do have a PI, The PI is keeping an eye on the people that have Caylee.
CIT,
you will have to email me the recipe (chess pie) when you have time….I’d love to try it!
Dak, put the website in here so we can go look at it too. Show us what your reading please.
exactly CHSAH
I am sure even today some of these guys are gettin calls, following up etc cause they have to its their job, but in the meantime ( and caylee hasn’t been found) the pros. continues to move forward, so that poor little caylee has justice, she has no voice she was 3…
exactly CHSAH
I am sure even today some of these guys are gettin calls, following up etc cause they have to its their job, but in the meantime ( and caylee hasn’t been found) the pros. continues to move forward, so that poor little caylee has justice, she has no voice she was 3…
PAW69….oh yeah…forgot! smack me upside the head! lol……(your funny!)
Pammyliz, EXACTLY! Heard C say tonight on NG (her interview on tv this morning) that SHE is Caylee’s voice!!!! I wanted to jump thru the TV and smack her upside the head and say “you coulda had a v8!!!”…..lol
dak
even if M mentioned this zaneida at some point or any point. I do not care… what I care about is the facts that m brought a car home reeking of death, no caylee, a story only found in a murder mystery novel, pants smelling of death, stain in car, tall tales, lies about her workday, I mean come on, even if zaneida was mentioned how do you explain away all the rest? can I explain what you said about zaneida being talked bout by grund or whoever? NOOOO can I also explain the above??? NOOOOO.. so is it even relevant anymore???? if she knew a zaneida????? based on the above and I am so tired that is a tenth of the facts above, you guys can give me more lol
I did post the website it is wesh.com/news/18152171/detail.html
Its Casey anthony docs 1 and its page 44.
I din’t like that psychiatrist tonite gettin’ all over Paddy for “insinutin’ that G was the puter’ pervert………….she din’t get it…HE WAS INSINUATIN’ IT WAS LV….LOL…
Funny how I can’t find anything on September 5th from Richard Grund
Dak, when the jury finds m guilty (and they will!), do you think they will focus on the “one” NONFACT in this case that M made about a “nanny” and her “name”…… or the 1,000 of other FACTS that can be proven????? I know ur not a dummy……
paw69….cause it aint’ there?????? lol…
Forget PAW that was irrelevant. I was saying that the staement with Zenaidas name was done on Sept 5.
Novalis – Well, you’re in luck! I’ve made an extra one to share with everyone here! But mine does have one thin layer of pecans on top. Yes, very southern. I use my grandma’s recipe, from who knows when?!
CHSAH — I’ll be glad to email ya a recipe for ‘jess some pie! 😉
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DAK – To refresh your memory, here’s your quote: “According to what I just read and if I didn’t misread the computer that the searches were done on belonged to Ricardo Morales.”
—–The context is that you were discussing the searches (info released today–“neck breaking,” etc.), and then you posted it.
You really should clear this up. If you are discussing two different types of searches (LE’s searches & someone else’s searches), then please clarify. That’s all we’re asking.
CIT….lemon please!
yah he meant lee and who even cares about lee lookin at whatever, they ouughta be more worried about neck breaking searches.. I still cannot fathom ANYONE IN THAT HOME looking up such a thing, not neck therapy, neck massage, neck damage, NECK BREAKING for gods sake! and… homemade WEAPONS out of HOUSEHOLD items its like those weirdos who build you know whats, and they find them and its some teenage kid researching and creating those things to commit mass destruction.. ( I can’t type the word) lol “your not supposed to use that word on a computer”, ever.. lol
CIT….(lemon chess pie recipe that is!)
CHSAH – no problem! Got that too. I make both.
Never mind Novalis it doesn’t matter because anything I put on here to back myopinion is BS according to everyone so whats the freaking use.
Pammyliz, when you hug ur daughter everynight, give her two hugs. One for her and one for Caylee. I do that with my grandaughter. She sees Caylee’s picture and she says “Caylee sad.” and “Caylee’s mommy is mean.”…..Hmmmm….amazing how a 2 year old can understand what’s happened and OTHERS can’t????
Rob, they focused on M because:
1. She never reported Caylee missing, her mom did.
2. The child was gone for 31 days, so searching for her and putting out an amber alert was pretty useless.
3. Nothing M said to help them find her daughter checked out, so obviously she was the only suspect left.
4. Her car smelled like a body.
5. They couldn’t clear her with a poly
All of these kept them from moving forward; they had nothing to work with! How could they look for a missing child when there was no trail?
dak I don’t dispute anything you post, I stay with my own thinking on it all.. your entitled to your opinion… and if you wanna show us stuffI will read and look.. i still can’t be swayed..
yes CHSAH i agree they do see alot more than we think, i have a niece who even knows about the case, very young, shame how they have to hear about this all in their little minds
Dak, no one said your opinion is Bs…….all anyone says is to state yourself more clearly and factual so as to not confuse those of us who might not hang on your every word. Don’t get offended and all, if you are going to stick up for M (which you do 99% of the time), then you need to be ready to present your facts when asked. That shouldn’t be difficult as confident as you seem to always appear??? M is a monterous murderer in most of our eyes and we want FACTS when someone thinks differently, not speculation. I don’t remember anyone calling you a BS’r…???
Dak – I have only disputed what you presented as facts, just like you disputed what pickles thought about a party date. She returned and said she had not remembered the date correctly.
Val, well said. I forgot a couple of those points!
or lets um see maybe just maybe someone in the home was looking up neck breaking just in case someone might someday accidentally break their neck.. hmmm… or just in case you run out of weapons like knives, or guns or machetes here is a how to for you to make these items at a fraction of the cost…lol. like making crafts or something
no, I go with the demented theories of why these would wind up on anyones computer
You guys asked me to prove where I read about Richard Grund getting the name Zenaida from Casey so i don’t want anyone telling me I can’t provide proof, its there.
Dak, She lied about Zanny and how she met this Zanny in the first place, “red flag”.
She claimed she met Zanny through Jeff Hopkins and that he had a son named Zachary.
Yet Jeff Hopkins has NO kids…. NO KIDS.
HELLO????
Dak, I was wrong once too (heee….heee…) ok, more than once. But I don’t get all bu** hurt and offended. I stand corrected and that’s it. Don’t make more out of it than what it is…….we have blogged a long time and you’ve always stood your ground. Just present your facts.
and I do believe it dak, I do.. I just think at this stage its irrelevant.. she may have known a zanny somewhere sometime, but IMO shes demenetd so we don’t know why this name is brought up cause we know she wasn’t watching caylee while M is at work cause remember M isn’t at work!!!! we do know shes writing hearts and using her pen alot in the car in her spare time , like my 3 year old would do i luv tony…
Pammyliz, yeah it is sad. Her mama and I are glued to the TV when NG comes on so she has seen it. Our bad…….but I’m usually in bed before the 11:00 show here so I can’t wait. I don’t really think she understands it, she just picks up on our emotions when it comes on.
There are a million facts to remember; easy to get confused. Especially when M wears a darn flag in May and they keep showing the pic like she’s partying after Caylee goes missing. I’m COUNTING on you all to correct me.
right they pick up on everything I find that out daily…mine is super sensitive to whatever is going on with me, its scary at times…how much she sees or senses… when she says stuff to me, I grab her and hug her little face and tell her don’t worry about mommy!!!
right they pick up on everything I find that out daily…mine is super sensitive to whatever is going on with me, its scary at times…how much she sees or senses… when she says stuff to me, I grab her and hug her little face and tell her don’t worry about mommy!!!
Pammyliz…
no, I go with the demented theories of why these would wind up on anyones computer
YEAH! that shows the intellectual side of us! lol. Let’s go with that one!
Okay… I baked a couple pies earlier this morning. But, I absolutely LOVE Chess pie! It’s in the running for first place with Pecan pie as my all time favorite. But my chess pie doesn’t have pecans on it so I’m getting shortchanged. I would also love the recipe if you would be so kind as to share it with us.
When you make chess pie the entire house smells WONDERFUL… I wish I could put that scent behind my ears…. I would find a man for sure!
hey Dak, in all technicality we are both right, I found where he only said Zanny, and you found where he said the whole name. Either way, it was nothing but a lie. Because she did NOT meet her through Jeff Hopkins and Jeff Hopkins has no kids, therefore he doesn’t have a son Named Zachary who Caylee got along well with.
Pammyliz….awwwww…..that grabs at my heart. It just reminds me when people say stuff like that…..HOW ON EARTH COULD SHE HAVE HURT THAT BROWN EYED LITTLE ANGEL????? grrrrrr…….
lol yah I mean we have studied this for how many months??? we all don’t have the answer to it all, that I will say, none of us, we can only speculate on things given to us, and as rational human beings we just know what is not rational and what would be demented… to me if they have proof of all these websites coming from that home, and one of those people is now sittin in jail for the murder of her kid, well then I go with the rational that M did the searches… now was she bored and just typing in stuff?? no… that would be like bordoem think I’ll type in sex and see what pops up, or crap see how many articles pop up talking about SH** or poop lol that is normal boredom searching but violence coming out at , in or near the time the child winds up vanished and then comes home with reeking death car, well i have to go with M did the heinious searching and noone else.. unless they all planned to do these vicious things to the child..because little caylee was a monster child…
yah right.
see Dak, Paw69 admitted you were right. Now you should give her a warm fuzzie….
Rob
Once again you are basing your opinions only on what we know or have heard of the facts and assume you have the whole story.
First the police did not tell Casey her child was dead – I believe they painted it as a hypothetical – they gave her a range of choices to pick from in terms of outcomes that would logically explain why she had led them on a wild goose chase and told fabrications for over 14 hours. Since her own story made little or no sense and did not in any way resemble the actions of a mom of a missing (versus a dead) toddler, they did let her know that if she refused to cooperate that was the only logical assumption that could be reached. Have you another?
Second, you are collapsing the time of this investigation to the last few weeks instead of the last four months. Most of the early LE searches were not covered by the media and did not involve outside agencies that got sensationaized press. You are assuming that all searches LE did were made public. Also, when a child has been missing for over 30 days – supposedly kidnapped but mysteriously with no ransom note, the only thing you can do is a) follow credible leads (operative word, credible) and b) search secluded places or places a child might wander off to and not be seen (this is SOP with ALL missing toddlers). Again, it appears you are primarily basing your impressions on what you have read or seen – all secondary sources.
Third, since you really don’t know the actual scope of the investigation it would seem premature that you label it as an improper search. Based on what? All the other cases current and past? Unlimited resources? Please reference your contrast. The police FINALLY stopped chasing down sightings and leads when they realized nothing credible was coming in (usually the first 72 hours are the most critical – and waiting 31 days doesn’t give them much chance), they had NOTHING credible to help them look and the forensic evidence supported an entirely different theory.
Please tell us what they are doing that is so wrong and base it on realistic comparisons to other cases.
I never heard of chess pie until tonight….so anxious to try it!!!! mmmmmmmm…..especially lemon!
MMT LOL
I have never even heard of this pie till tonight but sounds scrumptious!!! My fav is pumpkin, and lemon meringue…
Casey had a chance to come clean and tell the truth, to tell LE where Caylee was and what happened under immunity and she did not take it.
Therefore it would give one to believe that Casey killed Caylee and could care less about living in prison or being put to death. In her mind, She has won, no matter the outcome. No one get’s Caylee.
Pammyliz, exactly. How MANY of us haven’t looked up things like ‘poop’????? But I doubt very many in this blog have looked up neck breaking…..can I see a raise of hands please??? lol..
PAW69….grrrrr…….that is so true
In her mind, She has won, no matter the outcome. No one get’s Caylee.
how sickening….even if it’s only her THOUGHT.
I admit it one day I was supppppppper bored ( prior to being a mom) lol and typed in all kinds of stupid words, like those lol. it is indeed amazing what google will bring up
but I can for sure say never typed in bodily harm searches, recipes of drug making, weaponry building..and last escort service, but as of late maybe the last one i should look into seeing as I continue to be in a forever dry spell… LOL 🙂
Boy….she showed her mom din’t she??????? MONSTER.
novalis
AMEN to your last post!
mmt….(scent behind yur ears!) lol…..read that again! lol……omg too funny!
CHSAH , you know how hard it was to type that? I have tears still from typing that. But it’s so realistic, knowing her state of mind.
I’m going to throw this out there…
I believe that it was M who looked up all the escort service sites. It would make sense to me that she might have been a little afraid to go in to that business thinking her throat could get cut so she was also looking up how to defend herself. Maybe that’s why she looked up neck breaking as well. Being small, if she got into a dangerous situation she would want to know that she could handle herself.
I still think she looked up chloroform with the intention of killing Caylee but she was also planning her future as a prostitute.
Any opinions?
Novalis, GREAT POST! I’m gonna leave the intellectual answers to you…..ya showed me up again!
I know it paw i have many times shed a tear while typing something here so sad… it just gets to you.. when you realize it all
I know it paw i have many times shed a tear while typing something here so sad… it just gets to you.. when you realize it all
It’s called, Carry a taser and a cell phone.
Dak…….you get hurt when someone doesn’t agree with you…….Paw69 made a compliment to you in agreement to something you both said…..don’t yu have somethin’ you want to tell her????????? (I’ll give ya a hint….thank you Paw69…..I appreciate that.)
hmmm wow MMT you’ve thrown me into a whole new tangent on the poss neck break search.. i guess its possible but I don’t know
PAMMYLIZ…..LMBO!!! dry spell! lol….rofl!
I did have some earlier thoughts that I thought maybe M wanted to break C’s neck and maybe she was planning C’s demise as well.. or i have a more hideous one i will share.. blah sadness, i thought maybe she wanted to break caylees neck to permanently disable her.. and then she could give her to people who would have to caretake her 24/7 hence, she would be free that way. like make her a parapalegic.. ooh i shudder at the thought
PAW69….i feel it too….I know what u mean. And to think her OWN flesh n blood couldn’t tear up and cry like we do over her!
If your willing to be an (escort),(prostitute),(skank), then your willing to take the risk of being killed by sick demented flucks.
You can’t expect to be protected when it’s illegal to sell your body in the first place.
Maybe she should have taken up her dad’s propisitions of making something good of herself. It was gonna be handed to her by her parents. But that wasn’t good enough for her.
MMT…. hmmmmm, interesting thought. I would have to say it is DEFINATLEY a possbility with her to have been venturing into the escort service business. After that “HOT BODY CONTEST”, SHE probably thought she was a shoe in! ACK!!!!!!
M may have very well planned to kill C, G and Caylee at first. But why would she want to break their necks when she could simply stab them in their sleep? That doesn’t make sense to me.
Maybe she wanted to break Caylee’s neck, kill her, then say she fell off the ladder getting out of the pool???
well I do have to go to bed i have to work at 9 but up at like 6… its been good to get on and blog with you all…
happy thanksgiving..to all here who care about caylee… we would not be here if we didn’t care,
Happy Thanksgiving Pammyyyyyyyyy (((hugs)))
Ohhhhhh…..just hearing those words “breaking neck” gives me goose bumps! I just don’t think it’s coincedental that those particular words are searched and then Caylee disappears……..kwinky dink……..I think not!
I apologize if I have seemed rude or not answered others. I have my nose in all of the new documents most of which are terribly hard to read and in fuzzy italics.
I think it was extremely rude of them to make these public on a day when most people need to prepare for a holiday meal. I read many other blogs today where people were threatening to go to Boston Market for the whole dinner.
And, Monday Morning Therapist, if I could have the smell of a lemon chess pie swirling about my head all day, I would need no other companionship than a good book.
So between the pages and the pies, I’m afraid I am called elsewhere. Have a grace-filled and grateful holiday!
ok one more blog lol I don’t get it either MMT the neck breaking search, what an odd search, but then weapons too?? she may have wanted to cause some damage to caylee tho…
I have to get to bed too so Happy Thanksgiving!
yeah, it just doesn’t make sense….why would you want to break anyone’s neck???????? I just can’t get a grip on that??????
MMT….HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU TOO! SEE YOU AFFTER THE HOLIDAY! WHAT TIME IS EVERYONE MEETING TO SEND MESSAGES TO KRIS ON FRIDAY??
lol I am with you novalis boston market for the whole meal!!
lol goodnight friends.
NOVALIS…thanks for yur input….your great. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well!
Pammyliz….HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AS WELL!
AND I’m leaving as well so HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYONE else tonight also….it’s been fun!
Also, and this is just a thought – but it is starting to occur to many.
What if all of the March searches for “household weapons of mass destruction” were not simply intended to be limited to Caylee but to include her grandparents as well?
Casey had already told others her parents were divorcing and moving out, or that she was living in the house with Caylee because it had been given to her by her parents. Her friend Amy had even started forwarding her mail. And what if she had an accomplice in this evil plan, her own dear brother? It appears this duo hated both their parents. Maybe they were worth more dead than alive. Perhaps Casey’s ire at CA and GA has more to do with the fact she was caught in the middle of her plan. If she so easily dispatched of the inconvenience of a daughter, how much more effort to eliminate the inconvenience of two parents?
PAW69…HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU TOO! NITE.
Noval, that’s a very eerie thought.
It’s a very eerie family…
Happy holiday!
Nightttttttttt CHSAH (((Hugs))) to all that are leaving.
val said,in November 27th, 2008 at 12:30 am Rob, they focused on M because:
1. She never reported Caylee missing, her mom did.
2. The child was gone for 31 days, so searching for her and putting out an amber alert was pretty useless.
3. Nothing M said to help them find her daughter checked out, so obviously she was the only suspect left.
4. Her car smelled like a body.
5. They couldn’t clear her with a poly
All of these kept them from moving forward; they had nothing to work with! How could they look for a missing child when there was no trail?
First of all let me say I don’t view the Police theory as unlikely. And looking for a child with no leads is pretty hopeless.
I certainly understand why the Police have fixated in the direction they have.
But too much incriminating evidence with nothing which unequivocally shows that a child is dead should raise alarm bells to consider other possibilities. A child like Caylee is a saleable commodity. Those who deal in children know that the Police will stop looking if they believe that the child is dead.
Whatever happened to Caylee, Casey did not report her missing so that would suggest that she is involved in some way.
Here are my suggestion of things that the Police could do and it would cost them almost nothing.
1. Get a court order terminating Casey’s parental rights.
2. Issue a court order to Casey demanding she surrender Caylee to CPS.
3. Have a court make an order nullifying any adoption proceedings for Caylee.
4. Publicly ask anyone who might have Caylee in their care to return her to CPS or leave her at a safe haven site. If someone has her with Casey’s permission they would then be facing a felony kidnapping charge if they didn’t return Caylee.
If some of the people on this case had thought outside the box a bit they might have come up with some creative ways of looking for a live Caylee. If they were unfruitful those things would be further support for their case against Casey.
None of those things would work to find Caylee’s corpse but I would do her corpse no harm. And they could have had the same judge who ruled on the gag order (which also should have been done the first week IMO).
Caylee is missing, Human decomp was found in the trunk of the car. Other evidence shows Caylee is dead. Evidence that they don’t want released to the public. A hair was found with a death band as well. These things we DO know about the case can’t be overlooked. And the state has so much more evidence that shows Caylee is dead. The evidence that we won’t hear about until the trial.
And bye the way just in case you think this is just monday morning quarterback.
I sent a message to the police months ago suggesting that Casey or someone close to her might have been trying to make it look like murder. I am pretty sure it was ignored.
Where is the website with the new docs, that have been released.
I love chess pie, used to make it in the South with my family there.
A Grand Jury will NOT indict a person on murder charges UNLESS there is “concrete evidence” to prove a person has murdered someone, without reasonable doubt.
Meaning, the state can not have any reasonable doubt what so ever.
In this case, the Grand Jury indicted her and they have no doubts what so ever that Casey killed Caylee and they have the evidence to prove it.
PAW69 said,in November 27th, 2008 at 1:54 am Caylee is missing, Human decomp was found in the trunk of the car. Other evidence shows Caylee is dead. Evidence that they don’t want released to the public. A hair was found with a death band as well. These things we DO know about the case can’t be overlooked. And the state has so much more evidence that shows Caylee is dead. The evidence that we won’t hear about until the trial.
Where was it reported that the hair had a death band. That has been speculated but in the documents released about that evidence was there anything that specified what the nature of the signs of decomposition. Unless I am mistaken it was leaked as being a hair with a death band but that was apparently another overstatement of the evidence. If the evidence was really so strong then they would not need to leak misinformation. Heck if their case was strong they would not need to leak anything.
Once again, nothing was “leaked” It’s called the “Sunshine law”. Everything in Florida is for public eye. Anyone joe blow can ask for anything they want in that state.
To make a long story short, The State wanted the gag order due to comments Baez was making to the media, for instance “my client and I have talked about…” He isn’t suppose to say to anyone what him and his client have talked about. Attorney/client priviledge means, what’s said between them, stays between them.
PAW69 said,in November 27th, 2008 at 2:01 am A Grand Jury will NOT indict a person on murder charges UNLESS there is “concrete evidence” to prove a person has murdered someone, without reasonable doubt.
Meaning, the state can not have any reasonable doubt what so ever.
In this case, the Grand Jury indicted her and they have no doubts what so ever that Casey killed Caylee and they have the evidence to prove it.
That is not correct. Why do I, a Canadian have a better understanding of your system of law. A grand jury does not find someone guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That is what the Jury at trial decides.
The test for a grand jury to decide is whether there is probably cause to believe that the accused is guilty of the crimes charged. And they DO NOT have to be unanimous. It only requires 12 jurors of the large panel (thus the name Grand Jury)so it could in theory be as small a fraction of the Grand Jury as one more than 50% (12/23).
Sorry it is too late I should have said
The test for a grand jury to decide is whether there is PROBABLE CAUSE to believe that the accused is guilty of the crimes charged.
Rob, you also stated: 4. Publicly ask anyone who might have Caylee in their care to return her to CPS or leave her at a safe haven site. If someone has her with Casey’s permission they would then be facing a felony kidnapping charge if they didn’t return Caylee.
If someone had Caylee with Casey’s permission in the first place, that’s not a kidnapping at all anyways. And that person would have already gotten a hold of LE and told them they have Caylee with Casey’s permission.
I never said the word “Guilty”.
What I’m simply saying is, The Grand Jury does not waste there time on cases that “MAYBE WE DO,MAYBE WE DON’T, WE’RE NOT SURE” evidence. The State has to have MORE than a MAYBE/MAYBE NOT before they can even attempt to go to a Grand Jury.
PAW69 said,in November 27th, 2008 at 2:06 am Once again, nothing was “leaked” It’s called the “Sunshine law”. Everything in Florida is for public eye. Anyone joe blow can ask for anything they want in that state.
— PAW,
The sunshine law only applies to public information. It does not require the police to disclose their evidence publicly.
You know perfectly well that if what you said was true Casey’s legal team would simply have to make a request and have all of the evidence collected against her so far. Instead he has to make what is called a motion for discovery and at some point the prosecution will be compelled by law to disclose all material evidence to Casey’s lawyer. If they conceal any piece of potentially exculpatory evidence they would risk a misstrial (and an immediate motion for aquital by the defense) and they might even place themselves personally in danger of contempt of court. The usual way that the prosecutor gets around disclosure is to try and delay disclosure untill as close to the trial date as possible and then deliver file boxes full of reams of irrelevant paper in hopes that the key pieces of evidence that would raise reasonable doubt will not be found. This is why Baez needs to have access to their memos and meeting notes because then he will have the details of what exculpatory evidence has been discussed and so know what to search through the boxes and find.
Prosecutors wrongly often see their role in an adversarial system as being to get a conviction whereas they are servants of justice. In the USA it is not a prosecutors duty to get a conviction even if the accused is not guilty whereas it is the defenses duty to help save their client from conviction even if they are factually guilty.
In Canada it is a little different than that in theory because all lawyers are Her Majesty’s servants and therefore can not in theory represent a client as innocent if they know that the client is guilty (I think that is the theory in some states as well). But lawyers here will just make sure that they do not know that their client “is guilty”. So in practice the role of the defense lawyer is very similar although some details of privledge are different.
In the very beginning of this case when I first heard about it, I thought: Ok this is a very young mother, she was occupied doing something else and not paying attention to her daughter and her daughter wandered off and ended up in the pool and drowned and the mother was scared and didn’t know what to do, went into panic mode.
Then we started hearing more and more things about the case. Things I still feel we shouldn’t know. Then the bombshells were coming out. Then more shocking bombshells came out. Then the circus started.
This case is so out of hand, it’s unreal. But this case is in Florida, where it’s also free for all on any case of anyone. “The Sunshine Law”.
At this point, The only thing we can do is wait for the trial and then wait for the verdict.
But I also think about how it only took the grand jury 30 minutes to come back with the indictment.
It’s very late here and way past my bed time.
Good night! Happy Thanksgiving! (((Hugs to ALL)))
Rob, don’t get me wrong, I love your challenging insights. You deliberate very well. 🙂
Stopping by to say goodnight. Sorry to have missed you, MMT. I was knee-deep in pies! 😉
Goodnight all, and HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
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Rob’s quote:
“Where was it reported that the hair had a death band. That has been speculated but in the documents released about that evidence was there anything that specified what the nature of the signs of decomposition. Unless I am mistaken it was leaked as being a hair with a death band but that was apparently another overstatement of the evidence. If the evidence was really so strong then they would not need to leak misinformation. Heck if their case was strong they would not need to leak anything.”
Excuse my bluntness, but you are quite mistaken. The FBI’s Forensics Report states that the hair had a death band. It also says that hair belonged to either Caylee or Casey. We can do the math.
You can find this report on numerous news sites. Just google “Forensics Report.” It explains the air sample testing, the DNA testing, and the laser beam on the stain testing.
Look at the list of assumptions you made in the above paragraph, after the first big assumption that this was misinformation.
Conniesue – Sorry, I just now saw your post. Seems I’m not the only one with this pie addiction!
I had a hard time finding the new docs, too. But I finally found them at this website (sometimes, links don’t post, so I’ll post the link without the http & www — you’ll have to add that)
myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7952044&version=11&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Now I’ll try to add the full link, in case it works:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7952044&version=11&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
PAW69 said,in November 27th, 2008 at 2:18 am Rob, you also stated: 4. Publicly ask anyone who might have Caylee in their care to return her to CPS or leave her at a safe haven site. If someone has her with Casey’s permission they would then be facing a felony kidnapping charge if they didn’t return Caylee.
If someone had Caylee with Casey’s permission in the first place, that’s not a kidnapping at all anyways. And that person would have already gotten a hold of LE and told them they have Caylee with Casey’s permission.
PAW are you eevn an American you seem to be completely uninformed about US law.
It is not a given that they would have returned Caylee by now.
And I agree it is not kidnapping if a person has Caylee in their care legally and with parental consent. They would also be under no obligation to contact the Police and provide information. In fact they have rights (under the 5th amendment) not to give any information to the Police which might incriminate them. Since anyone who has Caylee now is likely to be charged with kidnapping and have a lengthy pretrial incarceration and suffer irreperable loss they would be completely right not to come forward unless compelled by law to do so.
The “abducters” may even have well founded reasons to believe that Caylee was entrusted into their care by Casey for a good cause (such as adoption or a long term fostering arrangement) and have been warned that the Anthonies might wish to challenge such an “adoption”.
Parents do place their children in the “care” of a “friend” who have the financial resources to assist the family financially.
A remote possibility I admit but I think the Police have the other angle pretty well under control don’t you.
Before I leave I also want to state how Baez was told not once but twice to stop touching Casey during their visits. He claimed he didn’t know the rules. What lawyer doesn’t know that they are not allowed to touch ANYONE when visiting them in jail? NO PHYSICAL CONTACT means just that, NO PHYSICAL CONTACT.
What lawyer holds their client’s hand while walking out of the jail?
How many lawyers spend 6+ hours with their client everyday?
Baez has done quite a few things that question his position.
You can’t tell me that Casey was his only client.
Bye PAW have a great thanksgiving.
Rob, If Casey gave her daughter to someone with her permission and now she’s looking at murder, that person would call and say, no casey is not guilty, Caylee is not dead and I have her with the permission of Casey.
They can not get into any trouble for that at all.
If she gave her up for adoption, The anthony’s wouldn’t be able to fight it due to Casey being the mother and willingly gave her up.
The adoption agency can provide proof that caylee is indeed alive and has been adopted out by mother’s permission without disclosing who adopted her.
When someone is truly innocent and they are facing murder charges, they fight for innocence. They give all information they have. They don’t tell lies, the don’t lead LE in the wrong direction. They don’t take them on a wild goose chase. They don’t deny taking a polygraph test. They plea to the public for help.
PAW69 said,in November 27th, 2008 at 3:22 am When someone is truly innocent and they are facing murder charges, they fight for innocence. They give all information they have. They don’t tell lies, the don’t lead LE in the wrong direction. They don’t take them on a wild goose chase. They don’t deny taking a polygraph test. They plea to the public for help.
If a person is innocent and smart they hire a lawyer and shut up. First rule of talking to the Police after they have read you rights. DON’T!
First rule of talking to the Police when your child is missing act upset and return to telling them about the information they need to know about every time they try to change the subject. Then call a lawyer and get as much assistance from outside LE agencies as you can recruit.
And by the way I would only agree to a polygraph test if they showed me the list of questions they were going to ask. Once you agree you look very guilty to a jury if you refuse to answer any questions and they can ask anything. If you don’t agree they can’t force you to talk.
For comparison
Official FBI report.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,1664923.htmlpage
VS
Media distortion
http://a11news.com/840/death-band-caylee-hair/
Rob’s quote:
“Where was it reported that the hair had a death band. That has been speculated but in the documents released about that evidence was there anything that specified what the nature of the signs of decomposition. Unless I am mistaken it was leaked as being a hair with a death band but that was apparently another overstatement of the evidence. If the evidence was really so strong then they would not need to leak misinformation. Heck if their case was strong they would not need to leak anything.”
My response:
Excuse my bluntness, but you are quite mistaken. The FBI’s Forensics Report states that the hair had a death band. It also says that hair belonged to either Caylee or Casey.
This was released a while ago and can be found individually on numerous news sites. It is also part of the newly released docs. It explains the air sample testing, the DNA testing, and the laser beam on the stain testing.
Texas — Repeat it long enough will it become true?
There is nothing about a “death band” in the FBI report.
If I am msitaken and the report that I have posted a link to is a FAKE.
Thne PLEASE Post a link showing an FBI report that mentions or shows a dark root band consistent with postmortum decomposition in the scalp. Since a death band is actually pretty rare in a newly decomposing corpse I’d even accept “decomposition of the proximal with characteristics consistent with a post mortum origin” as being close enough to the same thing as a “death band”
If you have no link to post read the actual report for a change rather than believing every word you read or hear off WTF-TV.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,1664923.htmlpage
Rob’s rude quote:
“Texas — Repeat it long enough will it become true?
There is nothing about a “death band” in the FBI report.”
My response:
How rude! You didn’t even respond when I posted it the first time. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and re-posted it. And this is your response? What did I do to deserve that? I’ve not been rude to you. Ever.
But having said all of that. Nevermind. I have nothing whatsoever to discuss with such a rude individual who has insulted me for no reason.
I DID NOT read this on a news article. I read the entire Forensics Report. Every single word. Again, another insult, with you claiming, “I believe everything I read.” YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE SPEAKING WITH, nor are you aware of my credentials, yet you spew insults.
What I read was the actual full, extended Forensics Report, with FBI letterhead, signed by FBI scientists.
You are certainly free to decide whether to believe an FBI report or not. But you are wrong to spread mis-information, just because the truth does not fit well with your theories.
The truth is the truth is the truth, whether you like it or not.
NOTE TO OBJECTIVE READERS: The FBI Forensics Report (SIGNED REPORT, issued by the State Attorney’s Office) indicates signs of decomposition on the hair (at the root) identified as belonging either to Caylee or Casey.
For objective readers: (add the www, since we sometimes have issues posting links here)
wftv.com/download/2008/1024/17794795.pdf
If you’re interested, look for information on this hair sample: “Specimen Q12”
Rob–please do not EVER address me again, and I will assuredly return the favor.
p.s. I DID NOT post the link you have labelled as “MEDIA DISTORTION.” That’s a link you found on your own. DO NOT MAKE IT APPEAR THAT THAT IS THE LINK I POSTED AND/OR SOURCE I USED. I DID NOT!!!!!
i dont think a gag order would stop c, i cant understand how these grandparents claim thier focus is on caylee when most of the interviews are of c defending m, the longer this case continues the more and more lies are unfolding no wonder g needs a notrbook to rember what he told c own brother is saying caylee is dead he is family and knows how m is i have never seen a family in such complete denial and trying to place blame on someone else, if they truly loved caylee they would want the truth not just what they want to hear, HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL HAVE A WONDERFULL DAY, will say a prayer of thanks foe e1 including the ants!
if m was in the escort service she might use chloriform to knock her client out and rob them, just a thought
Yes, it is stated about the band on the hair in the reports.
and,
IMO anyone who would not cooperate fully (be in polygraph or whatever) to find their missing child is guilty of something.
As a person who actually was missing their child (stranger abduction), I cant tell you how frantic I was, and how hard it was to keep it together to help while someone was asking me about identifying marks/scars on my childs body. But you do it because it’ll help bring your child home. I was one of the lucky ones, my child was found in 40 minutes. Twenty years later and it is still the longest 40 minutes of my life.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING, EVERYONE! AND PRAYERS FOR OUR LITTLE CAYLEE.
(Oh and a belated “Happy Thanksgiving” to our Canadian friends! Yours was in October, right?)
Kris, we’re thinking of you and sending special prayers your way today and tomorrow and every day until we hear from you again!
dana@7:39 what a horrible experiance for you thank god it turned out ok, and im with you anyone who is not willing to cooperate with le on any level is hiding something!
Hey peeps.
Dropping in to wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving.
Kris, my thoughts and prayers are with you as you face your surgery tomorrow. God bless you.
“Life” has taken me from the blog. There are many things going on–longer work hours (which is usual for the holidays) a wracking case of the flu even as I type, and a family member @ the point of death.
I do keep up with the case – will until the end, whatever the end will bring. I am intrigued with the newly released documents. There are so many things in them that I had already believed to have happened, but it is good to see it documented. I have found a couple of ‘surprise’ facts too which gives me new “M” headaches as I try to process them. 🙂
There is a child who isn’t having the turkey drumstick at her table this year. She won’t be watching the Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade. She won’t be driving up to see Papa at the assisted living center. Caylee Marie Anthony, forever 2 years old, is spending her first Thanksgiving in heaven. Her mother tried to erase her name from this life. She tried to erase her from her own life. But in doing so, she has etched Caylee’s name on the heart of millions of people where it will never be erased.
Caylee, we remember you today with thanksgiving for your short life which has taught us so much.
Gumshoe!!! I knew it culdnt b us!! We Luv joo Happy Thanksgivng!!!
And in correction to the drivle frum earlier there wus a decompsition band on the hair
I have had to read and re-read that report many a times yes there is a death band and because of the hair being so close to killrs dna they believe it is Caylees due to a process of elimination…killr is alive and well and Caylee is deceased
Danna said,”IMO anyone who would not cooperate fully (be in polygraph or whatever) to find their missing child is guilty of something.”
I couldn’t agree with you more!
If my child was abducted, I wouldn’t care what type of questions they asked me during a polygraph or at anytime.
Rob (in Canada) said, “I think it is pretty clear that none of you would want to tell the whole truth about everything that could be asked about you. Have you picked your nose and ate it? Recently? And I would venture a guess that more than half of people have googled things more embarrassing than. How to make …. Flower arrangements.”
OMG… I can’t believe you said that. In my opinion that’s the mind of a sociopath, always thinking about themselves. We are talking about a human life here and you’re talking about being asked “embarrassing questions?” If someone abducted my child, finding them would be the most important thing in my life… not worrying about revealing something that might make me look bad.
There is absolutely no question that anyone could ask me that would mean more to me than having my child found. I would dance nude on New Years Eve in Time Square if it meant bringing my child home.
Yah Therapist…I dunt get it..I have pickd muh nose and ate it…recently.. 😛 how jah like that….
LOL… Pickles too funny! I think that you even shared some with me when I came to your house. LOL
😛 well its not that embarrising..I mean cmon…whut is so hard bout that…and yes it wus a booger jello mold
Okay… now that we’ve grossed everyone out! What next?
Good morning all
OH thay aint seen nothn yet…cmon this is me we are talkn bout… 😛 wusnt it nice of Gums to stop in and fill us up on where shes been I mean if it wus up to certain ppl whom are no longr here we wuld believe that Kris and Gums were nevr steppn foot in here with us again…aint it nice to see some ppl are wrong!!! and all the newcomrs too its sooo awesome!!!
PAW69 (ugotmail)
I gotta jet Ill be bak in a bit…I luv you all HAPPY THANKSGIVING…and to all those whom we dunt get to see as often (Kris,Gums) OUR PRAYERS and best thoughts are with you and yur familys…God Bless YOU…bbiab
Bumpy you got mail again lol.
I’m knee deep in preparing food to take to my daughter’s. She’s cooking the turkey and baking some pies as well. I have to get back to my cooking… my hands are a mess so I’m typing with my elbows!
Have a great Thanksgiving Day!
Happy thanksgiving everyone.
Am also busy with cooking.
Still tired of wrestling with the Turkey earlier this morning. Still frozen on inside after 3 days in refrigerator. Feel like I had a work out.
Had a devil of a time to get legs out of clamp and neck out of cavity.
All the cats will get Turkey too today, including the outside ferals. Deboned ofcourse.
Only 3 turkey eating souls here and a 16 lb turkey, plenty for humans and non humans.
Have a great day. Might BBL.
So glad to see Gums back.
Rob – you seem to have a rather intimate knowledge of US law enforcement and jurisprudence matters. I can either assume it’s due to a high level of either interest or direct experience. Your focus on criticizing only the legal aspects of this case – and in particular LE and the prosecution – leads me to believe you have reason for bias.
The fact that other posters on this site have neither such interest or familiarity is not a cause for your condescending criticism. Surely someone as intelligent as you purport to be can see this is not a legal blog but more of a place people go to discuss their thoughts and feelings about a case that is deeply disturbing by its very nature.
While your various posts do have a veritable Wikipedia page’s worth of technical information, and some good ideas, there are still some rather glaring holes in your logic.
The four suggestions you made involving court orders that rescind Casey’s parental rights and order her to surrender the child to CPS are unlikely to have had any effect whatsoever in a mother who did not bother to report a missing child. If indeed that child were found she would have had her parental rights automatically rescinded. The order nullifying an adoption would have been enforceable only in the state of Florida – to extend that beyond state boundaries would need enactment by the federal government. A public request for her return to a safe haven is a nice formality but would likely have little effect. A person that had Casey’s permission would have already done so – if they did not, there is little reason to believe they would return her simply to avoid kidnapping charges. And it does not give LE a way to prosecute if the child had truly been kidnapped and/or harmed. While these are all nice, seemingly proactive ideas, I don’t see them as groundbreaking “outside the box” ways of actually finding a missing child, particularly since you mention “saleable commodity” as a reason to kidnap them to begin with. You would simply be bartering with criminals, not reasoning with innocents. And amnesty is generally offered by LE in cases where they think an innocent mistake is made. They had absolutely no reason to think it was here. When they tracked down a person matching the name and description Casey gave, it was quickly apparent this person had never met Casey (and she was unable to even identify her in a lineup).
The fact that you sent a letter to LE suggesting it was a faked murder but feel it was ignored shows you have disproportionate idea of either your intelligence of sense of importance. Many people have mentioned this as a possibility so you are not the only one to have gone down that avenue. Perhaps because you didn’t receive a personal letter or email from the police congratulating you on such a fine and unique theory, you feel ignored? Obviously you also think this is not something they are intelligent enough to have conceived and explored on their own.
I will overlook the sniffy parsing and quibbling engaged you in with another blogger regarding the forensics report.
Frankly I don’t understand your belaboring the fact that a grand jury indicts on probable cause by a simple majority. This process simply exists to determine if there is reason to use state resources to conduct an actual trial, in which a jury of 12 will have to unanimously decide there is no reasonable doubt that the person is guilty of a crime. It is simply a legal safeguard for both state and defendant. The fact that someone on the blog did not know understand the difference could have been pointed out more politely, instead of coming across as a smug neighbor. Yes, the standard burden of proof in capital cases is not simple preponderance of evidence, but beyond a reasonable doubt. – the operative word being “reasonable” and not beyond a shadow of a doubt. If that intentionally vague term were not used, we would never get a conviction for murders in which the body is not found or has been destroyed. It allows for powerful circumstantial evidence to be used in addition to forensic evidence because very few crimes have evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I don’t understand your explanation of our “adversarial” legal system. In the US the prosecution represents the interests of the state and the defense represents the interests of the individual which is actually more equitable in case the two should be at odds. In addition, of course, the state will provide free counsel for the defendant although their obligation is still to represent their client, regardless of the interest of government. Both attorneys are “servants of justice” – as evidenced by the many statues of blind Themis holding scales that can be seen throughout our courts. Defense attorneys here also have an obligation not to intentionally represent a guilty client and can recuse themselves if that conflict of interest arises in which they believe they cannot provide impartial counsel. The rules of discovery are mandatory I believe, although a motion might have to be filed as a formality. The defense in this case had filed not simply for the results of the forensics tests, but for the opportunity to retest the evidence themselves.
And due to the generous Sunshine Laws of Florida, the defense had easy and early access to much of the evidence you claim they were somehow denied. The fact that Baez did not file for a speedy trial only meant he was prolonging a delay for his own discovery rights.
Our judicial systems are not that different, both having roots in British legal system, with some minor additions added by our own founders. You mistake practice for theory, a problem which both our countries grapple with daily.
Sometimes it seems you are just arguing in circles or arguing for the simple sake of it. Your cynicism of US legal procedures and the opportunity for abuse or unfair application has basis in truth, but does not often pertain to the actual points you are so eager to make.
Perhaps you could be more generous in communicating with others here by taking the chip off your shoulder first. Since you have already celebrated your Thanksgiving I wish you a happy and relaxing weekend.
To the other bloggers here – enjoy the day and the bounty of having friends and family near. We may not ever know what happened or why, but the family of Caylee deserves our pity in that they will never again have the blessing of having her near .
kris got ur email sent one back to u hope u got it,And hello everyone hope this day is a beautiful one for everyone,what do u guys think about those 700 pages of new docs?
HI gums glad ur back we missed u and hi to all the new bloggers
well i have to go to work but will see everyone later,have a good day everyone
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! 🙂
GUMS! Wonderful to see you. I’m so sorry you’ve been ill and have recently lost a family member. My condolences.
Snooks – I have a feeling there’ll be lots of well-fed critters in your neighborhood. Those cats will spread the word and form a line!
Pickles & MMT – You two could open up a new weight loss plan by selling videos of a one-act skit: “Hungry? Watch Our Video and Lose 100 Pounds!” rofl …
KRIS – We’re all holding cyber-hands, forming a circle, with you the middle. Our well wishes and prayers surround you.
flowerchild – I’m getting ready to leave for my family’s Thanksgiving celebration but am eager to discuss some of the new issues revealed, especially that twice Casey “wanted” to give information about Caylee. Of course, she may not have been honest and forthcoming with true information, but we will never know. I just cannot understand why Baez stopped her.
Happy thanksgiving to everyone.
You have so much to be thankful for and rightly proud of in your nation which got its trembling beginings on the Day that this holiday recalls. And you have no idea how much we in Canada and everyone in the world admire the best things of America (even if we have a younger brother complex trying to compete with you).
Sorry for any upset that I have caused by contending with two others here. I am merely trying to stop the evil part of this web phenomena. And I only INTENDED to be rude to one poster because he was calling the truth a lie.
Perhaps I should not be be irritated when I am “blunt”ly told that I am mistaken about something REPEATEDLY even after I have just posted a link proving that what I said was infact EXACTLY true.
I am 98 % certain that Casey is responsible for Caylee death but that is all based on what I have seen in the media. At present I am 100% certain that unless Caylee suddenly appears(alive) or there is some major piece of exculpatory evidence that we are not being told about, a jury would convict her based on what is in the evidence made public (in for instance the FBI report) So why do we need to say things like the “death band” which are not stated in evidence. And of more concern why do “sources” have to put this kind of false evidence into the minds of potential jurors.
I would of course love to see Caylee found alive and returned. I think we all know that given the evidence that is beyond being merely unlikely. But if she is dead there is nothing any of us can do to change that or make it worse. If she is dead she is in no danger. If she is dead her killer(s) will almost certainly be convicted.
If she is alive she has been abandoned to a fate that only Casey and a few other know. It is that 2% doubt that eats at my heart. If I were sure I would grieve and then leave.
Perhaps I need to look away from this case. I am disturbed and disgusted with Casey for not reporting Caylee missing and/or making her go missing. But I am also disturbed by the willingness to discard the Principles which America stands for in interest of seeing someone punished. And I am most disturbed that Caylee might still be in need of help … and (almost) no one is looking for ways to move forward with that possibility.
If Caylee is looking down from Heaven I am sure that she is thankful that so many people care about her.
Oh gosh are we still doin this…welp allrighty then…hey is anyones PC actn funny lately like losing the site or with viruses???
Head hair taken from the trunk is “microscopically similar” to that taken from a brush used by Caylee, the forensic report says. The hair linked to Caylee Anthony showed a distinct death band
Death Band Caylee Hair – Pics and video of DNA test death band found on Caylee Anthony hair, a single hair found in the car trunk where decomposing body odeors were detected
I fur one am not tryng to keep any argument going but IF somone culd post the link to the documnts about the hair frum the body farm I wuld love to go and read the documnts once again..
http://www.docstoc.com/search/New-Casey-Anthony-Trial-Documents/
this is the most interestng page yet…
go to docstoc…google casey anthony evidence documentss all sorts of pics and all of her deletd myspace comments
Bumpy, you have mail
Lots of pics..and lots of documents there concerning the case I stil cant find the ones concerning the body farm tests
Okay let me clear something up both poster s are right. There was decomposition at the root which non=legally called a death band. What Rob was trying to sya was the Forensics report did not use the word Death Band which is really misleading to people who don’t read the reports and and the word Death Band is a very unappropriate word to use in a case especially if the owrd is not in a forensics reoprt.
And by the why Media was the ones to first use the word death Band and then every Tom, dick, and Harry started usuing it.
Ohhh well spanks fur clearn that up fur us Dak…and to clear it up it wus Paddy whom said the death band furst…but nine cats tails undr the rockr anyways
adios
Okay sorry Pickles then Paddy is to blame for this (lol).
Pickles do you right in short hand.
shorthand no…I got this spelln and grammr frum the undrnet..jah kno the mIRC….spellng and grammr make no differnce to muh on the net .
Okay
Awww Bumpy, and all this time I thought you were just being unique 😛
It is unique…I just really dunt care bout grammr and spelln on the net…its just a place where joo can really be yurself frum the inside out..as opposd to in persn…where its the outside in…jah kno…but all the shorthand is frum the undrnet…the funny spelln is muh own!!!
PAW69 joo makn turkey dinnr tuday??
We already ate, about an hour ago.
*Cindy Anthony and her brother Rick Plesea exchanged several e-mails after Casey’s July arrest. “I would believe the tooth fairy or ET or Santa before I trusted and believed in Casey,” Plesea wrote his sister on Aug. 11.
*On July 16, the day Anthony was arrested, she and her then-boyfriend, Anthony Lazzaro, exchanged cell-phone text messages. Lazzaro texted: “Y wouldn’t u tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter.” Anthony wrote: “I am the dumbest person and the worst mother. I honestly hate myself.”
She hates herself cus she didnt tell him???
Dang PAW69 joo didnt waste no time !!
PAW69 didjan look at the post I did at
Pickles said,in November 27th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
sum new docs about her myspace and pics of her…and Caylee
No we didn’t. It was just me,hubby and the 2 kids, they are out playing. They really don’t like turkey, and I keep forgetting that. I’m gonna start getting Ham instead.
Yes, you got mail back lol.
There was some other texting from other friend, 1 she had just had lunch with, and never said anything about it.
She waited until a bit after lunch, then texted her about Caylee missing.
If you read them myspace msg’s frum june to july alls she is is happy go lucky invitn ppl to parties not evn mentioning Caylee…Im sorry but she is no sad or grievng mothr of a missing child…im sorry..
shes a pig
bbiab
Bumpy, you and I both know that.
My kids use to make me so mad. They would purposely hide when I would call for them. They hid real good too. I would freak out, start yelling and screaming and crying. 4 times I called the police because I couldn’t find them. While on the phone with the police, they jumped out at me and said BOO while laughing, Then suddenly they realized, I wasn’t laughing, I was crying. Of course, the police had a laugh in it too, But in all reality, When you can’t find your kids, whether they are just wanting to play with you out of fun, or whether it’s because they are truly missing, You as a parent automatically go into panic mode and are doing everything in your power to find them.
But I guess some mothers don’t have that mode installed or something. I don’t know.
Yah xactly…thats why I think her actions the way she actd aftr june 16th are very suspect and she needs to be held accountable she is that childs gaurdian she wus the last person seen with that child…and now the child has vanishd…no trace…and alls she can say is nothng…not one darnd clue…its ridiculous..
She had the chance of immunity and still wouldn’t tell them anything.
Thats cus she did sumthng real horrible to that child…I cant imagine but whutvr it wus shes prolly bettr off keepn her mouth shut…like s peterson during his trial..
Ill be bak
Bumpy, I have a question for you.
By Baez not asking for a speedy trial, a change of venue, and not wanting a gag order, Does that hurt his chances of getting a mistrial if he tries to ask for one?
Florida’s rules are so different compared to the rest of the US. That is one reason I’m asking. I have other reasons of asking to though.
Sorry , Rules=Laws**
I have no clue…
no clue at all..Sharon is frum Fl..and so is Dak they might kno!!
There is alot of things that Baez is doing that raises ??? to me.
whutvr bb is choosng to do its most likely at the request of killr…I think she dunt like goin in frunt of the judge Strickland..she has gottn out of it whenvr she can..and I think that by her not wuntng a speedy trial is so that the trial will start with a new judge..cus that judge has already stated to her face when she wus first arrestd “Ms.Anthony and the truth are total strangrs” and she has tried to get out of goin in frunt of that man almost every time…she dunt like that judge..whutvr reasons fur bb choosing this Im sur is due to killrs requests
Oh yah but all of it is cus of killr its her sho…she is the puppet mastr with all the ppl who are defendng her…her family,bb all those that are deluded by her…
ok i got to go put muh gurl tuh bed..!!
Bumpy, I sent you a book lol, You’ve got mail.
Bumpy, go to the store and get me some soda please. I’m too stuffed to move lol.
Okie doke…whutcha have…me I like dr.pepper…
diet pepsi
Hello: Pretty quiet in here today! I would like a diet Pepsi as well please. I have not seen anybody discuss the inference of incest in the family related to the recent documents. I know we all surmised that the brother was daddy, but what if G was the daddy, that would explain a lot. C’s denial of facts, G’s obsession with putting money in the piggy bank even though m kept stealing it and also his vomiting during the police interrogation.It would also explain no name on the birth certificate and the fact that the supposed death certificate of the supposed father has never been shown. He does look similar to Caylee, upturned nose, shape of face,eyes. What do you all think? That would also explain M not wanting the baby, and also C desperately wanting it. It would also explain multiple searches on sex sites, M’s obsession with call girl searches and her insatiable sexual appetite and her unwavering hate for her mother and her obvious control over the family dynamics.
NOVALIS: YOU GO, GIRL!!!!!!!!!!! YOU AND YOUR BLOGS ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY TURKEY DAY, E1!!!!
KRIS, BE WELL AND GOD BLESS!!!!
Mollybear…wussaponin..Happy Thanksgiving…Yah Novalis rocks….hey Novalis where jooo frum???
HI GUMS!!! HOPE YOU GET WELL SOON. WILL ADD YOU AND YOUR FAMILY TO MY PRAYER LIST. WE MISS YOUR POSTS VERY MUCH. THERE ARE SUCH GOOD, CONCERNED, AND INTELLIGENT BLOGGERS HERE. EVEN “FIREFLIES” AND NEWCOMERS FEEL WELCOME HERE. I ONLY WISH LITTLE CAYLEE WERE HERE IN THIS WORLD.
Diet pecksi…check
Has anyone read these explosive emails between Rick Plesea and C his sister? All I can say is WOW*****check them out at http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/rick-plesea-and-cindy-anthony-emails/
WOW. Those were some extremely rough emails.
HAPPY AMERICAN THANSKGIVING FAM!
The blog is broken…..one lonely Canadian!:(
oh there is life! hi paw…when’s the big turkey feast happenin for you?
I didn’t see c’s email..just bro’s
We ate hours ago lol.
humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/rick-plesea-and-cindy-anthony-emails/
humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/
Kinda funny how her own brother has said everything that most people have said since the circus started.
Except, he said it before we did.
what I find truly interesting is that C’s brother went to the FBI and told them of his concerns regarding the washing of the slacks. Pretty damning for C if you ask me. He is totally correct about his sister, I think she is really STUPID! This might help to damn the whole family and destroy the best Mother of the year syndrome.
So we have a brother of Cindy who went to FBI and George who went in front of the Grand Jury.
“As The Anthony Family Turns”
The only one in that family who is drinking the Casey Kool-Aid is Cindy.
Chills went through my body when I read the part when Rick said, “Caylee is Dead”, “There,I said it”.
I bet Cindy exploded when she read that part.
Here’s something else I just found from http://www.wftv.com/news/18159143/detail.html#-
It’s obvious that Cindy has a huge issue with the truth. So Casey has learned very well.
“You have both lost your minds,” Plesea writes to Cindy and George.
He also said Casey Anthony attended his wedding seven months pregnant with Caylee and when Rick asked Cindy about it she said Casey told her she wasn’t pregnant then proceeded to say, “She would have to have sex to be pregnant.”
Rick Plesea forwarded all of his emails to detectives.
If I was M’s mother I would be wondering not when she was having sex, but when she wasn’t
The only thing she made was, Cheap hooker of the year.
Evening all!
I may have missed this, but has anybody seen those pics leaked on Photobucket??? I am sure they’re phoney, but still. O.M.G.!!!
(I can’t wait for NG, 7 minutes!)
I haven’t seen them
link emm?
It’s OBSCENE. Just a head’s up- this is supposedly one of the 1200 images that G was informed about on the PC, but did not tell C……
http://s497.photobucket.com/albums/rr333/redhat99/?action=view¤t=Lips_Anthony.jpg
I’ll BBL, goin to watch my girl NG
Looks like escort work to me.
Can you imagine, as a father, seeing that? Unreal…
What would really suck is if G was into porn and saw that, (his daughter doing that) on one of his favorite sites.
Paw- EW!
Ok, so the NG special just finished….I swear to God, just watching that stuff again, I was shaking my fist and screaming at the tv.
You know, I was once questioned about a barfight that I was a witness to, and the police here were WAAAY more intimidating than Melich and Allen. NOt saying that they did a crappy job, but you know they busted her and I just don’t feel like they pushed her enough in those interviews. COnfronting her about lying, ok fine, but when she says to them “You’re right, it doesn’t help you blah blah “, why the hell didn’t they slam her on the f*cking ground and bash her pretty face into the dirt until she fessed up?! Ok, that was a little extreme, but Holy Hell.
And the ending there, the little vid of Caylee baby singing ‘You are my Sunshine’. oh god, just heart wrenching, I will be holding my baby girl close tonight, that’s for sure.
Happy Thanksgiving to all of you who probably aren’t on…I keep forgetting, ours was 6 wks ago. God Bless guys.
As a mother, and speaking out to all mothers – if your child were missing and you truly loved and wanted this child back – wouldn’t you be doing everything possible to try to locate this child? Wouldn’t you be doing everything possible to cooperate with police, law enforcement officals, etc.? Wouldn’t you be in somewhat of a panick here? That seems to be a natural response for a mother. That is what is missing here, in the case for Caylee – the mother’s lack of response or cooperation and misleading the authorities – this is a no-brainer as far as I am concerned – I surely hope Casey can come forward with all of this – God does forgive and understands – Casey – give your family some closure here and come out with all you know so you can be at peace with yourself.
HI, PICKLES!!! I wasn’t ignoring you, the family was over, so I kept sneaking out to look at the blog. Hope your Thanksgiving was happy. See you guys tomorrow.
Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving! My prayers are for Kris as well today, may she have the best outcome possible with her surgery and may she find strength in our collective wishes for her rapid recovery.
Pickles – Hi. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving. I shared the link above to the full FBI Forensics Report, but it’s also on docstoc (search “Casey Anthony Forensics Report”).
The exact wording in the FBI Forensics Report says, “A Caucasian head hair found in specimen Q12 exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition at the proximal (root) end.”
I didn’t realize that the postmortem root band (death band) is only one of several stages of decomposition that hairs undergo.
So what Rob has brought up has to do with the fact that the FBI Report indicates decomposition but it does not specifically say which particular stage of decomposition. It could be postmortem root band (death band) or one of the other stages.
Thus, the hair showed apparent decomposition, and the DNA testing indicates it belonged to Caylee or Casey.
Which is the point I was making in the first place.
I would NOT say a prayer for the Anthony family, if my life depended on it. George, and especially Cindy, are indirectly complicit in the killing of their granddaughter. By giving birth to, and raising up and providing support for, a despicable, monstrous, lying, murdering bitch, Cindy and George have taken the meaning of denial, to a new level. They could have taken steps to prevent Caylee’s death, but they did nothing. May they ALL rot in hell!!!!
saluk – good points, let’s ask jan to put a side by side of george-pa and baby caylee in next article! Is there any pics of them together? I will check. Very interesting though. George has the dark eyes too doesnt’ he?
Good morning everyone!
Kris, I hope you are feeling the love, strength and comfort of God’s presence in your life as well as the care and support of all your friends here. I don’t believe that our friendship is any less sincere because we have not met. In fact I think it is perhaps even more genuine because of that.
We’ll be praying for you all day, every day – as long as it takes – until we hear from you again. God bless!
hi e1 hope you all had a great t/g no new news? well ill check in later.
i think m was jelous of anyone who had a relationship with c m said lee did stuff to her, g did stuff to her and then there was caylee i think m tried to get rid of anone who c had any feelings for
Good Morning Everyone:
Kris…we’re thinking of ya hon! Your in our thoughts. We will all be here waiting for your reurn. In the meantime, your not alone!
xoxoxo
mtc..hey dear…you know where I can find the information on the molestation? Wouldn’t surprise me. I wonder if that’s why she is so fixated on men?
Hi, anna!
I’m reading some of the recently released documents. Not sure what is “new” but all very interesting. Info that fills in some of the stories we’ve heard. Can you access those docs?
I am looking at ones on wesh.com that are under the “neck breaking” story. They are PDF files. Just click on one and read.
BBL!
I would think she would turn lesbo before that though, think she would hate men?
Pickles, Please stop using the misspelling. It’s irritating as hell. And NOT cute or funny.
Hi, CA! I have not seen the info on the alleged molestation. Given all M’s lies and “drama” I’m more inclined to think that’s just another big whopper. I mean she’s been a misbehaving, lying, pain in the a## to her family for a very long time. Her mother apparently refused to recognize the signs or deal with the problems. Her father, however, didn’t cut her that much slack and I’m sure she hated him for that (seeing her like she really was). So I wouldn’t put it past her to accuse him of something so vile. Or to embellish that with tales of LV accosting her.
I doubt that too.
I mean does she seem like a “victim” in any way? Never did to me. If something like that ever did happen I think she’d talk about it to everyone – her friends at school etc. Not keep it to herself. I think it’s a load of carp (purposely misspelled to avoid using bad language! LOL!)
I am slowly making my way thru the recently released docs one at a time. If I run across the molestation info I’ll let you know right away.
MTC – ya I think it’s m’s underlying sneaky misleading manipulating excuse for her actions. If there was any kind of molesting going on someone would have known..she would of told someone and if there was…guess what, it’s also another unfounded deception…we all know everything she says is a lie so her credibility, just like with the case of her missing child and the nanny, is in the red zone big time…no proof..
she’s just trying to play victim is right…victim of abuse which cause her ppd..i can see them setting the whole stage…but nobody will buy it! The circumstantial evidence of her actions,her lies, not calling police…I can go on and on …there is so much that points to her guilt without the scientific evidence…the stench, the hair..omg..the searches…the victim is that baby girl! PERIOD..any jury will see that.
m2c – Hello. I’m working my way through them as well, taking notes, saving “print screen” copies, etc. I haven’t found that part yet either. And I am also highly suspect of her allegations.
So far, I found the most telling info on the last one, Doc 15, which includes emails between Cindy’s family members. Explains family history. Also, shows that Cindy’s Mom & brother (& others) were saying the exact same things to Cindy that we wanted to say to her way back in August. Telling her to wake up to reality and stop protecting Casey.
Doc 15 also gives fam history: Cindy has provided for this family, and George has only worked about 1/2 their entire marriage.
If you find anything particularly telling, will you share the Doc #? (so much to go through!!!).
Pickles – Good morning, sunshine! 🙂
KRIS – Sending well wishes and prayers your way.
C-A – I agree, and even if it were true, it’s certainly no excuse to ever harm anyone else.
Hi CIT – you got that right..there IS no excuse but that’s all she has is lies and excuses to try to get off…
the abuse doc are on local13 news i believe doc 1+2 one was from nathan and i believe the other was from tony
C~A said,in November 28th, 2008 at 8:12 am mtc..hey dear…you know where I can find the information on the molestation? Wouldn’t surprise me. I wonder if that’s why she is so fixated on men?
It’s located in the Anthony Lazarro interview, the only mention of the ‘molestation’ came from him saying she told him about it while they were dating……
One thing I wanted to mention…I am not convinced about G being the father. My daughter is a SPITTING image of my father, even the same facial expressions. and she is most definitely NOT his child!
The abuse would explain a lot of the behaviours she exhibits, I wonder if that’s why G&C have been so defensive, afraid of what might be revealed???
put all of them of them in one cell diana downs, susan smith, casey anthony, and ma cindy, and feed them rice cakes the rest of their lifes threw the slot,
Pre-Meditation!!!
Searching for various ways to kill someone.
Searching for escort jobs as far away as California where she has some friend living, if I remember correctly.
Searching for excuses WHY she killed her daughter. Casey: ‘I”m the victim of incest so it’s not my fault I got sick of being a mother. Poor little me, it’s not my fault I’m a lying, thieving, whoring loser.’
IMO, Casey wasn’t satisfied ONLY killing Caylee, she wanted to destroy her entire family in the process…. Cindy, George & even Lee.
emms – I hear ya, most definitely children will resemble any family member that is NOT the father…but with this fam. Anything goes!
River – Now I’d pay to see that on tv…vid cam of those mosters knawin on their rations and prob. on one another…LOL
hello to everyone! Just getting on after a small holiday break, so have some reading and catching up to do! Glad to see everyone today. Hope everyone enjoyed the Thanksgiving Holiday!
Kris, My thoughts and prayers are with you today…I believe and have faith that everything will turn out for the better in your sugery and help you to finally get on the road to a quick recovery and healthier life so that you may fully enjoy all the good that has been brought into your life and that you can conquer the evil that sometimes seems to prevail. Godspeed in your recovery Kris! He is with you, holding your hand.
finished reading the blog, too many good comments to go back and add to, so will jest say……you guys are doing an awesome job and thank you for the links! That always helps to know our facts when we comment, thank you to all!
I’m behind in reading the newly released reports so thanks to everyone who is posting links and giving a Reader’s Digest version of what’s being released.
Unless other proof is provided, I have to dismiss the statement M made to Anthony Lazarro claiming molestation by her father. This disgusting woman’s word means absolutely nothing. She most likely was looking for sympathy and let’s face it, if she could kill her own daughter, throwing anyone else under the bus means nothing to her.
Kris, please know that we are thinking about you and waiting to hear some good news regarding your surgery.
g0000000000000d morning Bloggernewssssssssss!!!!
MYTWOCENTS are joo here…????
mbf said,in November 28th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Hey MBF I dunt mean to be rude but you are in no position to tell anyone on this blog whut to say or how to say it….I mean unless you are a editor or a moderator???? If I may ask are joo eithr of those???
MMT, that is absolutely right! It’s always been “all about me” with M and she would sacrifice ANYBODY to save her own skin or to make herself look good. and hello also!
Pickles, hello there to you too!
Is that the only post that persn did wus to B~~ me out bout muh spelln….??? okie dokies
Hey Mytwocents….sorry I wusnt here earlier….muh ol man wus on the pc
MBF, you should not criticize Pickles for her style. We LUV her just the way she is and this blog ain’t a place for tolerating the unecessary comments of one’s spellin’, writin’ or rithmetic’. It is for commentin’ on this case and if you don’t like dat’, well you best be movin’ on….
We all understand your writin’ Pickles…
I luv you CHSAH you rok…Its prolly somone who is no longr around just comn in to start fights….jah kno!!!
I am disgustd to hear that not only has killr accused her uncle of molestng Caylee but now she has accused her fathr of molestng her..its disgustng and wrong
Kris tuday is a very intimidating day fur joo and we all wunt joo to kno that we are here fur jooo and there with jooo…we all luv joo very much and are awaitng yur return….We pray fur joo to have a speedy recovry and that joo return to us very sooon we are lost wit out chooo!!!
Mytwocents….
Pickles, I have NO doubt that it is someone who can’t be forthright in who they are and feels the need to be be a pickin’ on our pickles! But they don’t kno that you can fend fer urself, but I felt the need to defend a friend (knew program I’m startin’..lol…DEFEND A FRIEND.)
I cant believe she told Tony that her fathr wus a molestng her…whutta pieca work …I mean…like c isnt enuff woman fur him he needs anuthr one just like her..I dunt think it will evr end with this broad!!!
THAT person pickin’ on our pickles, probably picks at their nose too….(heeee….heee…).
Defend a friend..thats rockn…welp der gone now…
Ill eat it…
Pickles, It’s sick! I know it happens all the time. M HATED her dad and I doubt it was b/c of the incest thingie. I think she hated him b/c he din’t tolerate her ways like M did. I think if G would have incested her, M would have been spoutin’ her mouth of to others about it waaaaay sooner than this. It was jest an excuse for her to get sympathy..
Oh well its okay…they are gone now..Im sure that whoevr it wus is lurkin about but ohsie wellsie…they wont last long in here wit that attitude…I gaurantee it…
Anywys bak to the conversation at hand…so did killr really tell Tony that g molested her..
Pickles……ewwwwww! guess so long as it’s booger jello! lol…
Didn’t she accuse Lv of trying to have his way with her once in Jr. High too?
Kris “The Original” said,in November 24th, 2008 at 6:59 pm Just wanted to drop in for a minute to put on a post. I feel compelled to say a few things as well as enlighten everyone as to my absence right now. I have tried to always remain friends with as many of you as I can…or who will let me try. I am a very easy going person by nature if you were to ever meet me, I am certain you would agree, it has always been just part of my personality to try to be peacemaker. I know at times it has felt difficult to try to be a voice of reason, but I always wished for people to try to make that attempt.
I feel very bad that many of the regulars decided to leave after what I read I always liked all of their input…As for myself I truly wish to be a part of the Caylee blog, I have had a great amount of thoughts lately and input I am hoping to contribute soon.
I just feel compelled to let others know right now that I have alot to deal with coming up. After two emergency room visits this past week, I am now preparing for emergency surgery this friday which is extremely risky, my whole family will be there with me as well because of this. So this has been first and foremost in my mind…along with getting alot of things done prior to friday. I really need some prayers from anyone in here who conidered me a friend and knew that I contributed from my heart for this beautiful little girl. This always provided a fulfillment to me in helping and to heal from the loss of this child that I cried many nights over, and trust me when I say…I miss it completely and all the bloggers as well. I would be a liar to say I was not scared right now for what is to come, but I am trying to focus on other things in the meantime. I do wish to come back if I make it through this ok, for whoever will have me. I truly wish the bloggers who left here will consider coming back…I liked all of them, but I know that is ultimately their choice and have to respect that. Once I can get things on a more even keel, I would like to join in. If I come out of this surgery different, this blog can still be my voice…because it will be the one way noone will know I am no longer whole, as a person.
I will not keep anyone from talking about Caylee any longer…I just felt I wanted to let a few of you know why I am not here..and I really need your prayers if you will give them..I am entirely frightened. I have tried to make contact with a few of the bloggers but I have not heard back from some….I cannot understand why this is, I am saddened by it, but it have to accept it, I can’t do any more than try. Please keep me in your prayers…Kris.
Hay I just wuntd to remind evryne bout Kris tuday and that we all need to keep her in our prayrs and hearts!!! She is going thru somthn very difficult and Im sur very frightning…
That’s what I heard, she accused of G molesting her and that Lv tried to have his way with her in Jr. High once too. I THINK that was released in the 700 page new document.
Jello boogr salad..mmm mmm mmm
I wuldnt doubt if she said lv tried humpn her
She wuld say anythng fur attention…come on thats her dad and bro..she is pathetc!!!
I knew she din’t leave the blog b/c of us, she loves us all. I sent her a comment this morning but she was probably already in the hospital. She really missed the blog and you can tell. She will be back and better than ever! I jest know it.
Where is everyone else today???
I wonder how G feels about defending that murderous hoe of a daughter now that she accused him of incest????
I mean its offensive that she wuld run round claimng to be molestd by her family…she accusd her uncle of molestng Caylee I bet thats how she justifies stuff in her own mind with these lies of sexual abuse…she has lied sooo much that the lies have become integratd into her memories as real events
AND what will sweet bro lv think of her now too????? Is that what everyone meant by they have such a “close realtionship”???? ICK!!!!
muh boy is usin the net too..so im here but I has to share!!
hey mbf how goes it witcha tuday?>??
muh boy is usin the net too..so im here but I has to share!!
I doubt it..she has made these lies her reality and thats how she justifies her actions of mischeif and bad choices by the lies that her family has sexualy abused her…thats why she killd Caylee to protect Caylee frum her uncle she has integratd these lies into her reality to justify her actions…she is a compulsive liar who believs her lies as real memories…or as real excuses
she accused LV of MOLESTING CAYLEE???? I din’t know that………what is the word you say???….come on say it…….she’s a sick (fl***)……make me laugh today!
Pickles, you have to go baaaack to ur style of writin’ cause no I can’t understand joo! lol….
no was suppose to say “now.”…..whoops!
hey pickles…I was the first one to see the post as there was nothing after it, my first instinct was to reply immiediatly kick some butt crack…but I witheld until you had a chance to reply. Trying to be a good girl but since CHSAM has started a new program DEFEND A FRIEND….
MBF – Your rude! You must be a really hateful and miserable person if that’s all you have to say on a blog dedicated a deceased child.
Way to go at being a low bellied snake in the grass. Take your forked tongue and fork off.
Oh, by the way…joo a maw-der-ate-her or cpelllin poo-lice? OOps did I do a booo-boo cpellin erir?
I can’t remember, does a pathological liar believe what they say or just lie b/c it’s comes natural???
Hey C~A! been missing you also girl! You got the “language” down to a science too! You both rock! You gotta remember tho…..I’m the notorious snake in the grass with the forked tongue (heeeee…..heeeeee…..) b/c someone once told me it was so….(heeeee….heeee…)
I just like the idear of Defend a Friend….birds of a feather, stick together is my motto! Now that this blog is a bloggin peacefully again with the ception’ of a couple of lurkers, we AINT lettin’ no one ruin it again. Havin’ said that….
back to the subject.
No she didnt accuse lv of molesting Caylee she accusd g’s brothr her uncle of molesting Caylee
CHSAH said,in November 28th, 2008 at 12:06 pm THAT person pickin’ on our pickles, probably picks at their nose too….(heeee….heee…).
Better hope that RobinCanada doesn’t pull out the polygraph on that one! heehee. ok ok….no more.
I didn’t see anytihng in those docs about L touching Caylee baby…and trust me. I spent ALL day (at work) reading those docs. I’m gonna get myself fired here hahaha!!
ok, Now I get it. Is that why no one in the Ant’s distant family wants nothing to do with them now I wonder?
emmsmum….ROFL!!! Glad to see you back again.
Yeah, now I understand who Pickles meant.
CHSAH- did you read the emails betw C and her brother Rick? Insane. I guess she has 3 brothers, haven’t heard of the othr 2 really…but Rick sure had a LOT to say to her. From what I gathered, the whole family is just sick of the Kool Aid and are refusing to support C&G in their defense of M.
is this blog slow or is it my puter?
PS- anybody else develop a minor crush on Mike Brooks after Wed night or am I just overtired from nursing myself and my 3 yr old back to health? hehe
emms mum,
haven’t read them all but enough to know there was NO incest between C and her bro Rick………LOL! He knows what a psycho she is and he wants NO part of her or M. I think it was plain to see that Rick din’t believe a word M said (from experience) I’m sure and he din’t believe C was defending M!!! I’m going to go thru and read them all later.
LMAO!!! When I read this post from Pickles, I thought it was an imposter:
Pickles said,in November 28th, 2008 at 12:23 pm I doubt it..she has made these lies her reality and thats how she justifies her actions of mischeif and bad choices by the lies that her family has sexualy abused her…thats why she killd Caylee to protect Caylee frum her uncle she has integratd these lies into her reality to justify her actions…she is a compulsive liar who believs her lies as real memories…or as real excuses
Funny how we’ve connected. LOL!!
emms mum….I have had a secret crush on Mike Brooks since he first appeared on NG!! LOL!!!! I’m happily married but he sure is nice to watch on TV instead of BB,Koby…Dr. Wee….Renee Wockwell (rockwell) and any of them bimbo’s…! LOL.. Too bad he don’t do the show more often, I thought he did rather well! I like NG but she needs to let others finish their sentences! lol…
Pickles said:
thats why she killd Caylee to protect Caylee frum her uncle she has integratd these lies into her reality to justify her actions…
awwwwwww…..THIS IS THE BIG SECRET THAT THE DEFENSE IS GONNA BRING OUT AND WE WILL ALL GO………..”OH NOW WE UNDERSTAND…”…..
I can hear it now pickles!
I totally agree…I’m not a huge fan of JV Mitchell either. It’s funny, I am the only one I know who likes NG, I just love her! But she DOES drive me nuts with her lack of manners sometimes….even if she may be right the majority of the time!
Pickles…..C~A, are you still here?
Emms Mum, most of us on here like her too I think. Although we don’t agree with her interrupting people (unless it’s BB, C, or any of those other bimbo’s we mentioned! lol..), but really, she needs to wait and let one finish a sentence at least. No, I don’t like JV Mitchell’s coverage either. I really thought Mike did well! He was fair, let everyone finish their comment, and yet he still stood his ground with his belief that M is a liar and all that.
I din’t like it when the psychiatrist made that remark about Paddy either. I don’t like her whiny voice, although she makes good comments. Paddy is ok in my book b/c he is STILL looking for Caylee, that’s more than I can say for the Ants. She didn’t even get it that it was Lv he was insinuating about the sex websites, not G!
I didn’t agree with that either, it was pretty clear to an observer, that he wasn’t implying that George was on porn sites -besides, he mentioned that thing with his assistant long before these disc docs were released…
I am having trouble with my puter’ so am gonna sign off for little bit and try to reboot and all that. I will bbl….nice chattin’ with ya emmas mum…….and anyone still left here.
Besides- all this crap about whodunit. EVERYONE KNOWS who DUN IT! It’s a matter of breaking her down so she ‘fesses up. As long as her parents stand by her side, she believes she will get away with it. I can’t believe how frustrating this is to see…
C~A said,in November 28th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Yah go fork yurself…muh boy is a pc hog tuday…..so Ill bb..
Fork yurslf….fork….forkn fork
😛
CHSAH – Totally 100% with ya girl. On Mike Brooks, he acutally looked in to the camera last night and personally gave cindy a “too bad for you” message…it was awesome! He does a great job
I don’t really like JV mitchelle but the other one with the glasses thing going on is nauseating to listen to. Whiny blonde physco babblist does make good points but her voice is very uniquely irritating.
Nancy Grace does piss me off too but I love her pit bull attitude when the defence don’t answer her straight forward questions.
I do love it when she asks a questions and starts gettin a stupid answer and screams….YES-NO….specially KOBY…lve the way she says his name’Kao–bee”
So, think it was CHSAH that asked about maggot beliveing her lies or not…Did Imiss the answer to that….DO THEY REALLY BELIEVE THEIR OWN FANTASY WORLD LIES?
Like is she sitting in prison right now knowing what she did whatever it was, to her child and knowing she lied and keeping it to herself or is she sitting there beliveing herself…
hey fork n d fork, waht up sista…
(coudln’t recist dat)…pickles last post is gettin me rockin again…LOL
emms – brooky boy is a Q~T pie, I love his bald head. He gets pretty worked uP!
WHois mike brooks whut did he say to c bout to bad?? I missd it last nite the first 24hrs aftr Caylee disapeard…wus it good??
Dude I think she has molded her lies into her real life ovr all the years..I think she kno’s xacty whut she did to Caylee…I think she’d like to believe the lies she has told bout whut happend to Caylee but I dunt think its gunna be so easy cunsidrng she killd Caylee and thats alot of information to process…I dunt think she culd believe the lies she has told as the reality of whut happnd…I dunt think her mind wuld let her replace it…
This is from wordpress…..”Did you see that the search for breaking neck really means “Breakin’ Necks…………some club in Orlando?”
I googled it, but it seems to be the name of a truck club- nice try tho. I don;t think that pans out as the reason for the search- M thinking it was a bar??
Also- M’s meal yesterday:
Oven Roasted Turkey
Buttered Mashed Potato
Savory Bread Dressing
Seasoned Mixed Vegetables
Turkey Gravy
Cranberry Sauce
Pumpkin Spice Cake
Bread and Butter
Gawd, this is better than what I had!!
pork on a fork with a dork ridng a stork…york..bjork..
Pickles- Mike Brooks is a former FBI agent, she has him on every night as a consultant- he covered for her Wed night….bald head, glasses. she’s ALWAYS been nice to him- he is the only one LOL!!
http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/18146260/detail.html?qs=1;s=1;p=news&dm=ss&tn=b
thats sum diff angles/pics of that gurl in the mall they are tryn to pass off as Caylee
It said nek breakng on her google search not breakng nek…
“I lied to everyone. What was I supposed to say? I trust my daughter to some psycho?
I trust my daugthr to some phyco….she shuldnt go so easy on herself…she goes beyond phyco
Pickles said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm It said nek breakng on her google search not breakng nek…
oops…that was just what it said on another site- my bad.
And even I can tell that’s not Caylee baby- how do these ppl not recognize their own blood for cripes sake???
and the worst mother I honestly hate myself.”
isnt fake remorse the worst..joo kno she dunt hate herself…she culd care less if she wus the worlds wurst mothr…she didnt evn wunt to b a mothr
The documents said that neighbors heard a loud fight between Cindy and Casey Anthony some time in mid-June. Casey Anthony’s brother, Lee Anthony, told her ex-fiance, Jesse Grund, that Cindy Anthony grabbed Casey Anthony by the neck on June 15 — the day before Caylee was last seen — and shook her, the documents said
It’s all for sympathy….so transparent.
I bet that Lazarro was wishing he kept it zipped up. Poor sucker.
Pickles- i saw that too, that’s exactly why C is refusing to believe M could do anytihng to Caylee- GUILT. She will live with that forever.
I could go on and on, but my parents know my daycare’s address, phn#, the teachers names…hell, they pick her up for me if I’m running late etc…it is unfathomable that they could live in comfortable denial for so long.
No one will make me believe they really didn’t know what was goin on, they just turned a blind eye…and at what cost?
c is an idiot…I mean it is apparant that killr had been plannin to kill Caylee fur somtime…but yah kno…maybe if c wulda kept her damnd hands to herself…maybe killr wuldnt of left with Caylee that day…maybe she wuldnt of been so angry…I mean maybe sum of that anger at her mom fueld her rage with Caylee and booom that wus it they dunt care bout me alls they care bout is this kid…I wunt to go out and I aint takn this kid…they dunt wunt to watch this kid…so fine then tudays the day…I aint messn round no more..this is it…this kid causes to many problems..costs to much money…needs to much attention…she wunts to choke me…alls she cares bout is this kid…
I mean fate is fate…she wus gunna kill Caylee regardlss but..
AGREE. Totally agree Pickles…and from what I read C made M’s life hell, insulting her in front of friends, controlling everything….she shoulda let that baby girl be adopted so she still had a chance at the ‘Bella Vita’ that she so deserved (caylee i mean).
Pickles said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:09 pm and the worst mother I honestly hate myself.”
isnt fake remorse the worst..joo kno she dunt hate herself…she culd care less if she wus the worlds wurst mothr…she didnt evn wunt to b a mothr
EXACTLY RIGHT PICKLES…..if she hated her self so much for being a rotten mom, she’d fess up to what she has done!
she is a MOTHER alright, but not the kind any of us would want to be…..(MOTHER FL**CKER as you both (Pickles and C~A would say! (heee…heeeee….)
I think once this is all done and M is locked up, C&G will be in for the fight of THEIR lives…I don’t know if I could live with myself, being C, knowing I may have been the straw that broke M’s back…not that it’s any excuse, but M had a chance. You know? We all have a chance at being a beautiful person, it is our ENVIRONMENT that determines that for us (for the most part)…and M wouldn’t be so f*cked up if she was raised properly.
I know I’m gonna get a lashing for that opinion, but oh well. I will spend every day of my existence making sure that MY daughter is a good person and makes good choices and possesses morals and self-esteem. C sure can’t say the same, from what I’ve read.
She had prolly been waitng fur any xcuse to put her plan into action…any reasn any fight or disagreemnt or arguemnt…she wus just waitng fur c to give her cause to commit Caylees murdr…and that fight where c chokd her wus it..that wus the match that lit the fuse….
EmmsMum we wuld have to give PAW69 credit fur fluckr!!! Thats all her!!!
Oh yah I totally agree EmmsMum its her enviromnt that producd her and she learnd to be a woman/mom frum c…and welp maybe c didnt do such a crak job at it as she wuld like to think….eithr c is a bad woman or when killr wus making bad choices c lookd the othr way and nevr held killr accountble…and she grew up the way she wuntd with no respect or remorse fur anythng…
I’m gonna stick my neck out and then you can break it if ya want (pun intended)……..but I feel sad that it was Caylee who was dealt the demise rather than if C would have shook M by the neck to pieces! C didn’t hold on long or tight enough! I know that isn’t a very nice thought and yes Caylee is in a better place, but it shouldn’t have been by the hands of her OWN “alleged” mommy to put her there. (speaking in mommy terms out of respect for Caylee)……she REALLY loved those people despite of their short comings….(sad).
I just pray that her little body is recovered…Even if they can’t determine cause of death, at least it will confirm what we all know. And there’s enough circumstantial evidence to convict M for it. You’d think though, that M would have lost it on Caylee that same night of the fight with C. The next day, when tensions have cooled and she slept on it, I’m surprised that M would still be fired up enough to do something…know what I mean?
I still don’t get the neck breaking search…even I could probably do it to someone in a fit of anger or rage and know how to do it effectively. I wouldnt look it up online, I’m sure it’s not that hard to do….very weird.
Since Casey hasn’t displayed any outward signs of distress, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin believes Caylee’s death wasn’t an accident. Casey isn’t panicking or returning to the scene of the crime. “When reality sets in, guilt usually gets the better of such perpetrators,” says Dr. Schurman-Kauflin. “I do not see these behaviors with Casey.”
According to Dr. Schurman-Kauflin, Casey’s promiscuity and partying also raises questions about her mental state. Female predators are often sexually abused at a young age, which creates a desire to “project an overly sexy image.” Just weeks after she told investigators she didn’t know Caylee’s whereabouts, Casey was photographed at a local lounge drinking with friends. “The partying goes back to Casey’s desire to be attractive,” says Dr. Schurman-Kauflin. “That’s more important to her than her [daughter]. Having children grounds a person, and she didn’t want to be grounded.”
Mothers who kill are typically “narcissistic” and “addicted to drama,” says Dr. Schurman-Kauflin. Out of sight, out of mind — that was Casey’s reaction to her daughter’s disappearance. She let over a month go by without reporting Caylee was missing. Even when Caylee was around, Casey complained about taking care of Caylee, whom she called a “little snot head.”
Now that Casey’s behind bars, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin thinks she’ll probably keep the details of the case to herself. “Casey thinks if she keeps quiet, there will be people who will never believe Caylee was harmed …When I interviewed female serial killers, they told me that they too keep quiet when questioned.” Casey’s trial will be held in January
Emms mum said:
No one will make me believe they really didn’t know what was goin on, they just turned a blind eye…and at what cost?
I agree with you 100%…….and that is what C’s brother said to her….”what grandparent doesn’t know who is watcing their grandchild”……98% of grandparents in this world not only know WHO is watching, but have the phone number, address and SOME background of that babysitter! The 2% that don’t know, just don’t b/c sadly, they don’t give a hoot to find out!
Pickles- in that same article, doesn’t it mention signs to look for that M might be close to confessng? Like seeng a priest etc?
I thought I read somewhere that she spent 2 hrs with a minister aftre this last arrest? Damn that BB, he has probably convinced her that she will win, and doesnt need to reveal where little Caylee is….
IF she broke Caylees nek it wus prolly aftr she sedatd her with chlorimix…thats IF she broke her nek…I culd see her doin it aftr she knokd her out..just to pay c bak..fur grabbn her neck….I read a long time ago that that fight where c grabbd her nek wus ovr the $$ she stole frum her grandpa and that c wuntd killr to change her life and b a bettr mothr to Caylee and thats why c wus havng Caylee call her mommy so that killr wuld see whut she wus missng….killr wuntd nuthng to do with that child not one thing…c shulda realizd it and kept killr away frum that child…fur real…she shulda protectd Caylee frum killr bettr..cus killr hated Caylee…
emms mum…..no lashing for you. There are sometimes that maybe ISN’T the case (upbringing) but in this case, there is no doubt that played an important role in the demise of little Caylee. So…….we still wuv you!
She did spend sum time wit a priest but I tell joo whut she didnt confess…I mean if she has the balls to kill that child she sur aint worried bout whut God thinks of her…she prolly gave that ministr the same lip service she givs the rest of the world “OH please pray that the nanny brings that child bak…pray that that child is safe..blah blah blah..sh3 didnt tell him nuthn…
oops! it was me who gave you credit for “fl**ker…..your right, it was PAW69….where the heck is she anyway??? lol…
EmmsMum its not bb who has convincd her she aint evr gunna tell where Caylee is…time and weathr and her ability tuh not reveal Caylees restng plafe is all thats workd fur her…s peterson didnt evr say a thing he nevr admittd to his wife and childs murdr…he sat in the trial silent and took his conviction and punishmnt and nevr spoke…killr will nevr tell wher Caylee is unless she is seriously facing death row..then and only then will she cough up Caylees bones…only to save her own butt…she’ll use Caylee one last time…
Pickles said: eithr c is a bad woman or when killr wus making bad choices c lookd the othr way and nevr held killr accountble
Oh yeah……..C looked the other way alot and that caused alot of animosity on G & C’s relationship! No doubt!
Even Scott Peterson and Susan Smith put forth a minor effort in pretending to be concerned. THey both cried on tv, beggin for them to come home. M just doesn’t even have it in her. She was so reckless, it’s like she didnt even really care if she got caught- she would have covered her tracks better.
CHSAH said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:33 pm emms mum…..no lashing for you. There are sometimes that maybe ISN’T the case (upbringing) but in this case, there is no doubt that played an important role in the demise of little Caylee. So…….we still wuv you!
**Thank you! I don’t want to sound like I defend M, but it is just so heartbreaking to think about the chance she HAD at life, ya know? I think people are not born evil, they learn it. C making Caylee call her Mommy in front of M- I would slap my mother if she did that with my daughter. What kind of game is that shit? Poor Caylee was a pawn to both of them.
Okay heres a thought what if the neck breaking searches were for song lyrics but she didn’t know the name but just a couple of words in the son. There is a groug called Full Circle(heavy Metal) with a song “If I Had One Neck To Break”.
PAW69 PAW69 pagng PAW69…come out come out frum whervr joo are..???
Pickles said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:34 pm She did spend sum time wit a priest but I tell joo whut she didnt confess…I mean if she has the balls to kill that child she sur aint worried bout whut God thinks of her…she prolly gave that ministr the same lip service she givs the rest of the world “OH please pray that the nanny brings that child bak…pray that that child is safe..blah blah blah..sh3 didnt tell him nuthn…
I agree- yea…I think if there EVER was a time for M to confess…it would have to be in sheer desperation with someone she trusts implicitly. Even tho, if she DID confess, the minister couldn’t do anything about it….Maybe after 30 years of therapy in prison, someone will get it out of her….
Theres also a Website with the title of Neckbreaking Thrash and Death Metal. So there’s your Neck Breaking and death searches.
GO Dak that is a awesom thought…thats awesom jooo can pulll a 360* outta anything…thats the gratest…fer real…
GO Dak that is a awesom thought…thats awesom jooo can pulll a 360* outta anything…thats the gratest…fer real… 😛
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pm Okay heres a thought what if the neck breaking searches were for song lyrics but she didn’t know the name but just a couple of words in the son. There is a groug called Full Circle(heavy Metal) with a song “If I Had One Neck To Break”.
That could be…but with all of the other searches, it seems too unlikely…did you see the post I put up about the name of an Orlando bar too? I guess it could mean many things- and she was into metal music….
Pickles said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
she’ll use Caylee one last time…
omg, that statement is so sad….and so true. It brought tears to my eyes though….
Of all the searches for Neck breaking and there are 100’s I found only one that even relates to breaking someones neck and it was in fighting.
CHSAH- did you watch the special last night? The final clip of her singing you are my sunshine? My daughter sings that all the time, I could barely watch it, i was bawling like a baby….
I hate this it is postng twice now…pc=piece crap
Pickles, your comment about her confessing to the priest and why she didn’t…..WAS so “M” in every aspect!!!
Yeah well at least I’m not jumping to conclusions and assumptions without even doing some research like a lot of other people.
CHSAH it is sad….
Theres also dozens of websites related to shovels other than the kind you dig with. The is a movie called the Shovel.
Yeah well at least I’m not jumping to conclusions and assumptions without even doing some research like a lot of other people
Hey Dak no one here is tryng to put joo down I wus only playn round when I postd that….you dunt need to be rude and callng ppl out like that wethr ppl do research or not its not nice we are not professionals here..jooo obviously still dunt get it!!!! Why we come in here day n and day out with our nonsense..researchd or not..Happy Holidays Dak!!
What don’t I get Pickles.
emms mum, yes, I saw it (for like the billionth time) and I cry EVERYTIME.
Dak, you never address me anyway, but I will still comment to you. That is a possbility, but how twisted to be searching one minute for music and ways to kill your child the next….sick! Either way, she is STILL scum of the earth! I’ll bet she was searching music for her daughter’s funeral………AFTER she killed her???????
OMG ok this has nothing to do with this cse, but read this article:
CRESTVIEW, Fla. — A 16-year-old Florida girl who hit her father when he tried to spank her has been charged with misdemeanor domestic battery.
An Okaloosa County Sheriff’s Office report said the father told a deputy that he was attempting to spank the girl when she turned around and struck him in the face with her fist.
The report said she tried to hit him several more times before leaving with friends.
Both father and daughter said the argument started over an item that had been broken. She acknowledged that when he went to spank her, she punched him, the report said.
WHO SPANKS A 16 YEAR OLD??? WTF!?!?!
Whut the vid of her singng jooo are muh sunshine…uhhh I havnt seen it I take jer werd fer it…. 🙁 so sad
Dak….it’s not nice to point the finger….your not setting a good example to your own children. Just comment (nicely) and leave it out there for discussion…..that’s playing nicely.
Keep going Dak, you aint convinced me yet…..EXPLAIN the rest of the words she looked up…
When MOST people do a search, they put in more words like “shovel+music+bands+titles”…..come on…..you can do better than that explanation!
NAWW EmmsMum I seen on cops one time this 16yr old gurl in FL wus outta contrl with her momma and her momma pushd her down and whuppd her and when the cops got there they took the 16yr old to juvie and told her “Yur mothr can push you down and spank you if you deserv it..” I wus floord…
I wuldnt spank a tweenagr but its legal..
Pickles, yes that video…….IT WILL RIP YOUR HEART RIGHT OUT EVERYTIME…..i wish they’d put that sh** on M’s TV and make that be the only thing she could EVER watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If people actually examined those docs the searches where single word searches wg=hich is what I did. And what do you mean I’m not setting a good example for my children.
It wuldn faze her Caylee wus the othr woman to her…she hatd her…she wusnt evn like a big sis..she wus jealous of Caylee…if killr dus evr come to reality with whut she dun it’ll be like aftr 10yrs in prison when she is sittng there all alone day aftr day….when IF she evn has one…her built in baby clok starts to tik…like I said IF she has one..but IF she dus evr feel bad itll be in many years of prison life when she will realize whut she had and whut she did to it and that she will nevr have to opportunity to have anuthr one again…and her realizng that is a big IF…I mean ther is that chance she will nevr evr care bout whut she did to that child..she will nevr feel remorse or shame…IM bettn on that…that she will nevr care
last Christmas, we was at my brother-in-laws and their 16 year old daughter got mad cause she didn’t get her way, so she told her dad (my in law) to F*** off and die in front of the whole family…….so he turned her over his knee and paddles her smart a** behind…… in front of everyone (her 3 friends included)…………….I ABOUT fell off my chair (being appalled and all….) but that little smart mouth never talked to her dad like that in front of a group of people after that! (not saying it was the right thing to do at all, but atleast he didn’t choke her by the neck! lol…)
CHSAH said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:57 pm Pickles, yes that video…….IT WILL RIP YOUR HEART RIGHT OUT EVERYTIME…..i wish they’d put that sh** on M’s TV and make that be the only thing she could EVER watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t think it would upset her CHSAH, unless maybe to infuriate her. She saw that baby girl as nothng but a liability.
Pickles- she will nevr evr care bout whut she did to that child..she will nevr feel remorse or shame…IM bettn on that…that she will nevr care
I agree….all she will feel is anger towards Caylee for ruining her life and now her freedom. what a sad soul she is.
Hi gus!!! I am back!! got a bit of time to blog.. i can’t scroll all the way up, but hey to everyone in here..
pickles 2:14 post i agree agree agree.,..
what did you all think abou the porno pics ? of casey? her or not??
I been readin the disputing abou tneck break neck breaking etc.. and some of the posts from dak..
this is the bottom line, why look up neck breaking, and how to make chloroform recipes, along with ………………. how to build weapons etc…????
its open/ shut done finished. shes done she did it, she murdered her shes heinious, and demeneted, now I don’t care if anyone says she was word searching or something like that, these are heneious things for anyone to google or search for… just my opinion..
hey to everyone. whats new anything I missed?
about the pics I am not so sure that one pic wasn’t created, but the one to the left is her…
CHSAH said,in November 28th, 2008 at 3:02 pm last Christmas, we was at my brother-in-laws and their 16 year old daughter got mad cause she didn’t get her way, so she told her dad (my in law) to F*** off and die in front of the whole family…….so he turned her over his knee and paddles her smart a** behind…… in front of everyone (her 3 friends included)…………….I ABOUT fell off my chair (being appalled and all….) but that little smart mouth never talked to her dad like that in front of a group of people after that! (not saying it was the right thing to do at all, but atleast he didn’t choke her by the neck! lol…)
ROFL!!!!!!! That, CHSAH, is AWESOME. How mortifying. HAHHAAHHAH!!!!!
Dak, (setting an example)… playing nice by gettin’ all mad or butt hurt when no one is bein’ mean to ya. We are just not in agreement with ya (and probably never will be)….but it don’t mean that we don’t like ya and all. You get all defensive, like the settin’ a good example for your kids comment and it’s all in fun. Read my comments more openly and with benefit of the doubt like you give M………..I’m waaaaaaay nicer than she is and you give her waaaaaayyy more credit than you do me….LOL…..all good still?????
sorry theres noone here named GUS I meant GUYS!!! and GALS!!!!
friends..
Pammyliz…..hey my friend! Nice to see you today!
I get tuh put up Christmas decoration tuhday!!!! I love Christmas…soooo much..and muh Grammy gave muh anuthr Nativity b4 she passd….its sooo qute….
Hey Pammy
Yea, those 2 pics that I linked up yesterday, at least definitely aren’t from the same day….but how would they get leaked anyway?
That disgusting one on the right DID look like her, I thought!
emms mum…..I know, ur right about M and the video……just wishful thinking on my part as a mother/grandmother, that she had an ounce of remorse in her and it would bother her….I know she really probably don’t….sad.
Pammyliz!!!! sapponin???
Pickles said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:52 pm Whut the vid of her singng jooo are muh sunshine…uhhh I havnt seen it I take jer werd fer it…. so sad
The vid- if you can handle watchin it, is the one with the visit to C’s father…its the very end of the video, when she is sittin on his lap- I tried to youtube it, but ppl are making all kinds of vids tributing to Caylee and I cant find that one….
WHAT Pr0n0 pixs of killr wher dey b I tell yah!!
Yah I cant watch that vid..I dunt listn to killr’s police audio taped intrviews eithr…nope I trie fur like 3 secondss and turnd it off…she has NO CARE in her voice..it is hollow…and seeing Caylee sing is too much….but whutevr.
it did but when i pulled it up into photobucket it said this photo created by GIMP and it if you notice the fingernails are diffeerent but like you said could have been 2 different days.. well, it was nasty to say the least, i hate her hate her
soomeone needs to break her neck or wring it, for causing all this horror… like i said a few nigths back, for sooo long i tried to make sense of this case, and now? it is what it is…
a child killing, heinious, cold, deliberate, sickening, it just shows me that you never really know a person what lies beneath, noone would imagine she would do this, noone, but she did. open shut, conviction, for life shes 22 parole??? maybe at 90….i cannot wait till the wrinkles come on her pathetic face as shes eats another cold rotten dry dinner from prison and all the people she knows beome something, get married have kids, go on with life. I pray for healing for the entire ant family.. and people who loved caylee… God will somehow slowly help them I pray
What pr0no pixs of killr…I wunna see em…dey aint nasty arghh they???
Pickles said,in November 28th, 2008 at 3:10 pm WHAT Pr0n0 pixs of killr wher dey b I tell yah
ewwwww I put the link up yesterday, on this blog…lemme find it….its nasty. just a warning.
Pammliz…I kept lookin’ for “gus”…..(lol)….just kiddin’ ya pammyliz! We knew what ya meant!
Pickles, dang girl, you are on the ball! I ain’t got nothin’ done today, cept bloggin! lol
for the longest i could not watch it either the other night NG played if ro a lenghty bit of time it was too late to not see it and i fianlly heard her and i cried for her real hard, bless her little heart!!!!!
God is with her now, I know he is…
this tears me to even type this
wheres the pix of killr??? Her flik pixs
pickles emms posted a link i think yesterday??? its on this blog tho i think scroll up maybe someone removed it i don’t know but it was from photobucket it was M on one side, and then second side of pic, well I cant say what she was doing
it is indeed nasty, in fact someone named the jpg photo LIPS, argh! disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I;m not opening it again- at work- but I swear it really did look like her, no? what do u guys think?
oH CHSAH…I like tuh celebrate Christmas…Im xcitd I dunt have anythng dun eithr!! 😛
oh yah emms it was her in both pics but I am thinking the second side pic of her doing the nsaty might have been “created” it looked odd to me, but it was her face in both… you can create alot with photo programs, but it was her you can tell by the eyes… pickles it was from nov 27 8:01 post here on same blog i just seen it
Pammliz said:
I pray for healing for the entire ant family.. and people who loved caylee… God will somehow slowly help them I pray
I do agree with you 100%! and that is the loving, kind part of you that we all enjoy. I’m sure some others (myself included) feel that way. It sometimes hard to say, so I’m glad you did. For me….it’s like feeling guilty in a way (For Caylee) for wanting them to heal and move on when she will NEVER get that chance. I struggle with the “why?” everyday and we may never get that answer. I know that we all need to forgive and pray for them all, if for no other reason than out of respect for little Caylee……but I struggle with that “forgiveness and praying” for them when they continue to support M in HER fight for justice rather than the fight for justice for little Caylee. Anway, rambled on…. but thank you for the comment…..it’s a nice reminder.
YES THAT IS HER…she is wearng fake nails..
LOOK INTO HER EYES..THOSE ARE HER EYES…her hair is pulld bak in a diff way then we have seen….look into those eyes..they are identical…
According to Dr. Schurman-Kauflin, Casey’s promiscuity and partying also raises questions about her mental state. Female predators are often sexually abused at a young age, which creates a desire to “project an overly sexy image.” Just weeks after she told investigators she didn’t know Caylee’s whereabouts, Casey was photographed at a local lounge drinking with friends. “The partying goes back to Casey’s desire to be attractive,” says Dr. Schurman-Kauflin. “That’s more important to her than her [daughter]. Having children grounds a person, and she didn’t want to be grounded
I haven’t seen them yet either (pics)……is the nails the only fake thing she is wearing???? LOL…..afraid to look! lol….ok, but I will! lol…
Just the nails and she has her hair diff then we have evr seen
CHSAH- be afraid. LOL! It’s raunchy
But let’s just say this IS one of the pics found on her laptop. Imagine G???? He knew about it and didn’t tell C- no effing wonder!!!
Pickles, I sooooooo love Christmas too. It’s my favorite holiday. I think on Christmas, we should all take a moment to blog a “Merry Christmas, we miss you Caylee Marie” on the blog. I know it’s a busy time of year, but that would show how much we All have Caylee Marie in our hearts on a very special day, just a thought????
I mean I will argue that all day long that is her…she likes red&blak she feels smokn rokn hot in it…thats Casey in that pic its her eyes its her lips…that is her…she is a pr0n0 gal…dat b her…like I said !!
He wus astonishd by it when they sho’s him he said “I thought I knew my daughtr”
Emms mum….ok, gonna go peek. Be right back.
oh emms I didnt know this was found on her laptop, lol i thought someone found it online or soemthing, hmm.. well then it must be her for sure. well we know its her you can see its her… I hate her have is aid this? LOL
god doesn’t want me to hate but i truly do this woman. I’m sorry. I know god forgives my hate because God knows she is evil
c is in fur a world of hurt..when the trial comes and all it is out on the table..its prolly bettr she keep tryng to find Caylee thru these “sightngs” I feel sorry fur c when she finally believs it…killr wus a bad woman I dunt care who comes in an says that aint her in that pr0no pic..that is her..and c is gunna see it all its all comng out..
CHSAH
I am awaiting your reaction…..LMAO!
yah that would be nice CHSAH she already knows the love from us tho…
and I don’t wanna make anyone cry, BUT.. lets all remember that up in heaven too little caylee would not want us to hate her grandparents either, only tohave some slight compassion for them??? I mean for caylee…
I know they aren’t the fam of the year or their actions are astonishing, but lets look at it from above caylee would want us to forgive them.. now her mommy I don’t know abou tthat one
I told jooo let me look at that pic and I tell jah…its her eyes she craves control,and seduction,beauty,sex,glamour,love,money,men,power,she craves the lust of it all the attention..you can see it in her..she loves it..all these pics are gunna start pourn out frum her pc..the whut 1,200 or more pics just like that…the world will see whut she killd her child fur…her depression her sadness..her mental aingst..its all gunna be refuted in these photos..and thats a recent photo too…look at her hair…her makeup in it…its currant…
Some people have speculated they are Photoshopped –
The eyebrows are also different in both pix. They are also professionally lit – not homemade. If they are professional, it seems likely they would have shown up on a lot of different sites and have been released by others before this. The fact that George saw them on her computer makes me think they weren’t all over the web yet and were not owned by whatever photographer took them.
Not to say that Casey didn’t create them. She could have photoshopped them herself using other real pix from other sites. I tend to think she was not actually working as an escort, (she takes the easy way out as much as possible) but could have still sold or been planning to sell those type of pix and others to various sites all over the country that feature “girls gone wild” webcam stuff for residuals.
CHSAH is gunna have the same reaction as muh its her…that is killr..she likes the sexual lifestyle that FL has to offer pretty young woman…she wus obsessd with herself and her body and how it made her feel…she wus obsessd with her appearance and how Caylee made her appear and how Caylee hurt whut she truelly wuntd…
EWWWW!!!!!!!
gotta go throw up! jk. do have to leave for a bit tho, will bbl to blog!
Dood Eyebrow styles are like tootsie pops its easy to style yur brows in diff styles…mush easier than photo shop…why culdnt she just of did her brows diff fur the camera she wus dressed up a bit…evn fur a hoe
I’m sorry CHSAH i was n’t being defensive about the setting a good example comment I was simply asking what it was referring to and now that I know its okay.
i dont think they’re professional pics but definitely taken for her personal use
although- i think the OCSD would be more careful, and how this would get leaked, i don’t know….
by the way…………..NO DOUBT IT IS HER! JUST when ya think she can’t do anything more to disgust me…..HERE ya go….scum.
She culda been hookd up with sum dood and got all dressed up and toook pics fur cash…or it wus just fur sexual fun during a booty call..im just sayn thats her…and that weiner looks real…and it looks like a pr0n0 pic…
agree novalis anyone can play around with pics my niece comes up with some fantastic ones of herself too. in fact she just did one of our family where she took old fashioned hairdos and put them on our faces and i swear you would not know they are not real.. I just died laughing when she put me in a new hairdo mad it black and white, and you cant tell the pic was doctored… so yah alot of programs will do all that to a pic, something about the hands in her pic don’t look right if you look below well lol look below something looks weird distorted but i do know both faces are hers!!!
Dak. It’s all good. Thanks for acknowledging me….it wasn’t so bad was it? lol….bbl.
She wus all dressd up fur that pic…she wus tryng to look hot and seductive she wus into that…you can see it in her eyes…IF she didnt kill Caylee shed be sum othr young chik schlobbn on weiner fur the camera..and no one wuld care..but shes not just sum othr young chik livn that life shes one who killd her kid….and has made a circus out of it..fur the nation to endure…
Pickles- hahahahah weiner. hahahahahaha *breathe* hahahhahahah!!!!! ur hilarious!!!
you know what guys? i think I have the flu…lol I was sort of sick last night and today all day felt crummy then better then got home and i am freezing and sick feeling blah, gonna go lay down till time to get the girl… blah.. maybe its just the frigid temps here.. I don’t know… maybe M made me sick feeling all over again lol
BBL
fake nails make hands look funny especially if you dunt evr wear them…I bet them pics are her portfolio…
Feel bettr…(whore) we luv joooo!!! 🙂
right on pickles 3:40 post…
if it wasn’t a child killer noone would care just another skank..
but shes turned this into this..
shes a hoe…a pretty hoe who looks nice with a schlong in her mouth..shes pathetc she shulda takn care of Caylee on that $$$ shes a hoe…
Did anyone else notice M’s handwriting style on one of her statements? It was super large print, which is someone who loves attention, is super outgoing and has a large ego.
Ok im dun with the pr0n0 pic now im really not mature enuff to discuss it anyways as joo can see I start to use poor language…so sorry bout the weiner/schlong talk…im dun…thats why she didnt wunt them havn her password to her pc…
I’ll bet it took her brother the whole two hours he was at Tony L’s house to erase those on her lapto.
He should have just taken out the hard drive and run over it with his car and then set fire to it if he didn’t want LE to get ahold of them.
They are not an overly intelligent family.
She wus practicng her autograph fur her XXX movie career…
Is that whut eddie munstr wus doin ovr there erasn her laptop??
I bet she has been in a To Short song!!!
novalis said,in November 28th, 2008 at 3:45 pm I’ll bet it took her brother the whole two hours he was at Tony L’s house to erase those on her lapto.
He should have just taken out the hard drive and run over it with his car and then set fire to it if he didn’t want LE to get ahold of them.
They are not an overly intelligent family
WHAT!?!? I didnt hear LV had access to her PC b4 the cops did? OMG>
Joo can tell in both them pics the one on Halloween and the suckr one…she thinks she is amazng and beautiful she thinks she rules the world…she is real into herself….thats the first thing I saw in her eyes with them pics…she is a pretty person….and if she didnt kill her daughtr she may of had a allright time with that life style…
Pickles – well her clothes were already folded and sitting in her suitcase. I’m sure Tony ran in there first thing and did that. They had already been called and notified that Caylee was missing.
Lee came over to pick up her things but was there two hours. He said he got a blue screen and it crashed or something. Either Tony deleted them first or Lee did afterward. I’m thinking Lee probably knew. She had not been with Tony that long and still wanted him to see her as girlfriend material.
Why wuld she wunt them deletd tho they arent criminal
There not illegal to have pixs like that…maybe tho she just wuntd the whole pc wiped out.
ah i bet she didn’t even think about those pics-she thinks she is hot sh*t after all, she prolly wanted him to delete anything else that might be incriminating…
funny- i read that bro works with computers- think he’d know how to fully remove data from a hard drive.
novalis- i agree- They’d have been better to smash the sh*t out of the lptop and then say it was lost- why not, she lied about anything else….
emms mum – Lee is the one who went to pick up Casey’s things at Tony’s house so that the Anthonys could hand over her laptop and the family pc to LE the next day.
I also read something interesting about timer55 password. The password was changed to that on May 14 and the Puerto Rico trip was planned for about July 8 or thereabouts. About 55 days. Casey thought she was going until the last minute and so did many of her friends.
Also am wondering if Casey charged airline tickets with Cindy’s credit cards and that is why she did not want to hand over records to LE. Cindy might have either found out about it on the fight of June 15 and cancelled the charge or then told her she would not be babysitting Caylee during her own vacation which was schedule for the first week of July. It would also give another reason Casey felt “entitled” to steal Amy’s money when she was off in PR with their friends – it was her “ticket” she should have had.
Hmmm I dunt kno…..its a shame…I mean she bein a hoe and stuff aside…she wus a pretty young lady…again a hoe..but still I mean…she culda dun so many differnt things with Caylee…she wus sooo obsessed with that life…she hated Caylee fur ruining her life…with her mom cus mom lovd Caylee soo much…with her finances….with her personal desires…cant turn a hoe into a house wife tho i suppose..
Pickles – She and Lee might not have wanted LE or her parents to see her in a bad light – particularly if she was trying so hard to say that some nanny stole her baby while she was “working” which was her immediate motivation. It would not have to be illegal to get her in hot water with either her parents or LE as an unfit mother.
This was before anyone knew she made up the job and the nanny.
novalis said,in November 28th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
all that bout Puerto Rico is awesum….instead of goin to Puerto Rico she settld fur killng Caylee cus well she wus just a hassle anyways with no one wuntng to watch her..and mom chokng me…Caylee needed to go….oh sorry…but she settld fur killng her daughtr and movies..while evryone else wus in Puerto Rico…
Yah I see all that but those pics are no way illegal..at all..that culda been a bf of hers she wus dressn up fur and havng sum fun at a hotel room or his house..those pics they cant say a woman looks like a bad mothr cus of sum personel smut pics…Well they can with her cus she murderd her daughtr..but normly them pics wuldnt mean squat…there just pics..
Awesome chatting today guys, I gtg pick up my little munchkin- but I will try n pop on later
Night all! 🙂
emms mum – I believe it was Cindy’s laptop that Casey was “borrowing” for her work as an event planner.
Maybe Lee did not have enough time or want to erase the entire hard drive if Cindy wanted it back. It would draw suspicion to him. He likes to stay out of the limelight as much as possible.
Does anybody know WHO leaked that lovely picture of Casey? FBI, LE, friend who received copies from Orlando’s “mother of the year?”
I have to say it’s SO ironic that this pic was released on the same day the judge heard arguments for/against a *GAG* ORDER. Someone has a great sense of humor, imo.
Considering the FBI told George there are 1,200 “BAD” pics they found on her computer(s) and cell phones, it doesn’t leave Cindy with an easy job coming up with a way to blame someone else. But I’m sure that won’t stop her from trying. lol
Poor Casey, she’s WAY TOO low class to be an escort… she’s more like a two bit streetwalker. But I suppose she learned that when she was doing all those searches for escorts.
Pickles – if it looked like she had pix on her computer as a professional escort she might have thought (that first night at least when it was all hitting the fan and she could not be sure her parents would back her up) that they would be the last straw for Cindy and George. Cindy had already accused her of being an unfit mother. She and George got mad at her for having Jesse, her fiance, watching TV fulled clothed in her bedroom with Caylee there.
If she thought her daughter was posing for escort pictures she might have let her stay in jail or turned on her. She had already hit the ceiling when she saw the pic of her at the party “working” when she should have been home watching her daughter.
OH fur her wuntng to delete them…I get it…its weird tho she deletd that pc but is that the same one that had them terrible searchs on it
Here’s another interesting bit of info I ran across today.
Chloroform is a key ingredient in making meth. Not that I think Casey would stink up the garage as a meth lab (she only did that with dead squirrel pizza)- but maybe she was thinking of starting a more lucrative business venture elsewhere. Just a thought. The questions never end in this thing.
She and George got mad at her for having Jesse, her fiance, watching TV fulled clothed in her bedroom with Caylee there.
See how much Caylee wus destroyng in her life…
I doubt it wus fur meth..meth destroys yur body makes yur teeth fall out givs yew scabs all ovr yur face and arms and hands,gives joo big black cratrs undr yur eyes makes yur cheeds diapeer to just skin hangng on yur skull..she is to into glamour and looks to b interestd in meth..meth isnt fur pretty glamouras hight maintnence woman..im not sayn movie stars and prono stars dunt use meth if they do they aint lookn hot fur to long..meth destroys your appearance….look at hollywood tweakrs…they dunt look good no more…
I don’t think Casey had time to do that. LE came and got the computers the very next day I believe. She was out most of the first night riding around with LE identifying fake nanny places (till 4 am I think). LE dropped her off at home came back a few hours later in the morning and took her to Universal. She was arrested right after she got back from Universal if I’m not mistaken. Doubt she had much quality facebook time in between. Doubt Cindy would have let her then – she was probably doing her own searches.
So I’m like back for a little bit and I have but one more comment on the pic (on the right…..)……have they determined who that piece of evidence belongs too…….cause us “inquiry minds” wanna kno!!! NOT….JK!
She has had no time fur nuthn since she has been involvd with the police they have had her on a leash…
Im not tryn to be prejudice that pretty ppl dunt use meth…I live in ORegon it is the epicentr fur methanphetamines her on the west coast and ppl who use meth dunt look pretty (barf) like she does in them pics..and she’s to lazy to make meth…maybe she seen the recipe and went “oh to much…welp I can use the chlorie to knok out the kid…and its alot easier to manufactr…hmmm yah im gunna kill Caylee not make meth …ferdumb…
CHSAH blah…
Val @ 3:43, I did see the signature writings too and yes, I agree. I wonder if they have had a handwriting analysis person look it over and if they will be added to the witness list?? They say handwriting does say alot about one’s character (thank God we have typing in this blog! lol…)
Oh yah those are her hands an her fingrs in that pic shes got fake nails on…and thats on sand shes on her knees in the sand..ahahahaha she a hoe
does antyone have a link to these pics that were released, I looked and cannot find.
Also around what date did she look up neck breaking?
Pickles….new you’d say that! (blah..) lol.
I agree that people who look like M don’t take meth. If M was using M (let’s say just even started), she would have been addicted right away and she didn’t exhibit any signs of withdrawls or anything. And it WOULD have been too much for her to have to manufactor it….cause ANY work seemed to be TOO MUCH work for that little brat.
pickles, yep she is…..and she will be saying “hoe, hoe, hoe” Merry Christmas from jail!
I think they said around March 15 or so on the searches on the website, but am NOT for sure postive.
anyone else able to help smarty out on this question?
Chicka its just one photo thats out so far..
http://s497.photobucket.com/albums/rr333/redhat99/?action=view¤t=Lips_Anthony.jpg
I was only curious b/c didn’t they say when she argued with Cindy that she grabbed her neck? That could be why she was looking it up? I think if she drugged caylee to kill her I would hope she wouldnt break her neck to.
She a freak nasty scandlous hoe..dat b fer sur…I cant believe it ….she is into that look at her eyes she is into it…with all her might…thats her..thats why she is sooo distant and reclusive with her family…
Yah its to much to think bout….I dunt kno…the comments bout the argumnt and c grabbng her neck were made to LE by lee…in the documnts..
blehh no telln whut she did with that child..I mean she’ll stik dang near anyone..I mean thing down her throat!
See see im just not mature enuff…sorry guys…
that is so sad…you are probably right though
CHSAH, if you’re asking when those searches were done, it was in May.
Less than 2 months later Caylee was gone.
March they were in March I thought
Thanks Mom, I had asked about the searches.
Has anyone here dug into Lazarro being an acomplice or knowing what is going on
March 17th is whut I read..but I may b wrong.
He told her that id he were to start a family he wanted boys? She was all staler-esque writing her name with his last name…maybe they planned to get rid of Caylee to have boys?
LE has interrogatd Lazzaro..I think all her friends and bf’s took lie detectors isnt that whut they all said
Searches conducted March 17 included “how to make chloroform,” “neck breaking,” and “shovel,” according to the documents. There were also searches for “alcohol,” “acetone,” “peroxide,” “hydrogen peroxide,” and “death,” the documents said
oh I thought they said no one did lie detectors? I could be very wrong; I just thought I read that somewhere…probably on this blog lol…you guys always have the best news on the case
I think LE questiond Tony and evryne else she had contact with…Im not sur but I think he has been cleard and she is the prime suspect.
I am sure she is the prime suspect I just think someone else may know..or have an idea of where Caylee is or atleast what happened to Caylee.
I think that amy and all of em did wusnt it just lee c and g who havnt…im not sur now..mabye
NO she culdnt trust no one I mean evryne lovd Caylee they all adord her..no one wuld stand by and allow her to kill that child or kno bout it…I mean who culd she really tell “oh hay Zanny the nanny is really that bottle of xanax joo hookd me up with last week..Im runnin out can I get sum more that kids needs to sleep while I get drunk and screw”
I dunt think she culd trust anyone..thats why I dunt by that sightng of her comng out of the woods with big ol red shades and a duffle bag. with sum dood in a suit…she has flown undr the wire nearly the whole time…I jst doubt she had any help
havent seen any of those pics…what are you searching for when you find them? LOL I guess I am looking wrong.
whut the p0rn0 pics its at the link I postd above
Pickles said,in November 28th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I postd the link to the smut photo there..I think its her her eyebrows are styld diff,her hair is styld diff, and she has fake nails on..but its her on the beach on her knees. bein a hoe.
Shes a hoe…and if she culda made a great life at if she wuldnt of killd her kid…but Caylee took to much frum her..she took away frum that life that killr wuntd so badly…
OOops! It was MARCH, don’t know why I thought it was May.
Ok, so it took her 3 MONTHS to plan good ways to kill her baby, possible (sleazy) jobs for when she decides she’s grown up enough to stop sponging off mommy & daddy PLUS possible excuses to use if anyone asks her why she’s so screwed up.
Frankly, reading about these web searches was THE BEST thing I read so far about this sad case. It’s good to know the defense will sound like fools if they try to claim Caylee died by some tragic accident & Casey was too scared to admit it.
Pre-meditation all the way. Casey is toast.
c is gunna flip out when she see’s all them pixs of killr she is gunna flip and take it out on society,LE,the media..she is gunna say somone is doin photo shop of killr and they are fruadulnt…or whutevr it is..she wunt believe it..or if she dus she wunt admit it…shes gunn tear into all around.
Hi, All! Sorry, Pickles. I had to jump on and right off the puter this morning because we had the internet/cable provider here doing work all day. Just got up and running again!
I’ll go back and read what I missed.
I read the emails that C’s brother, Rick, wrote to her and they really made me feel better. I had not known whether anyone close to C was “telling it like it is” to her that early on. Gosh knows G wasn’t. So I’m relieved to know that – as coarse and harsh as he was – Rick told it to her straight. And said exactly what most of us would have told her if we’d had the chance. However it amazes me that it did no good whatsoever. C’s replies to him show the same denail and ability to string along a pack of lies that M has a talent for. But what’s scary is that M must have had C under her “spell” for a long time – to tell her mother she was gaining weight when anyone else could plainly see she was 7 months pregnant. Do you think that C has always believed every word that M said? And if so Why?
Then and/or now?
And, Kris! We’re thinking of you! And we’re looking forward to your return whenever you feel up to it!
LI_Mom::::::::::::
Since Casey hasn’t displayed any outward signs of distress, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin believes Caylee’s death wasn’t an accident. Casey isn’t panicking or returning to the scene of the crime. “When reality sets in, guilt usually gets the better of such perpetrators,” says Dr. Schurman-Kauflin. “I do not see these behaviors with Casey
Yep, Cindy will claim someone planted those ‘fake’ pics on her poor Casey’s computer & cell phone.
I wish someone would ask Cindy if she still thinks Casey has a chance of being elected “mother of the year?” lol
Sure Mytwocents yah yah yah… 😛
I agree with Doc Shurmann, there are very few explanations to her behavior, and premeditated makes the most sense. If it was some sort of accident then she may have lied at first from fear, but she has been given outs that she could have taken to avoid the severe charges she can get now.
When M was in the phone convo with LV about the missing cell phone, I think the locations she named was where there was possible incriminating evidence she wanted him to dispose of.
Smartyc hi! It was C who allegedly grabbed M’s neck, and the immediate family refused the poly, but the friends took it I believe.
Novalis, I remember something about M charging the Puerto Rico tickets on someone else’s card; a name I didn’t recognize. Did they ever get those charge records from C? I wanted to smack her when she looked the investigator in the eye and said she didn’t turn them over because there was nothing on them, like he was going to take her word.
Yah they have givn the ants waaay to much slak in this whole thing..they shuld get warrants fur copies of it
Hay and that whole thing bout killr bein molestd by her dad and bro is just a ploy…she has to be a victem to become a victem do joo see whut I mean….she has to make herself appear to of been victemizd fur ppl to sympathize with her..yah thats whut I ment
In the same convo LV asked her if she met friends at Blanchard Park and she said “not friends” and he stopped the question. Who did she meet? What was implied, or was she just lying about the whole thing even to LV?
Pickles, my fear has been that the defense might be able to convince at least one sympathetic juror that Casey might not be guilty…. that maybe there was a nanny or babysitter.
It’s clear to anyone who has followed this case from the very beginning that there is a TON of circumstantial evidence that ALL points towards Casey’s guilt.
Casey’s own words will bury her. She herself admitted she’s the WORST MOTHER. She herself admitted she’s done nothing but lied to police & done nothing to help them find Caylee.
If Cindy wants to perhaps save her from the death penalty she really needs to stop trying to pretend Casey is a ‘loving mother’ and that Casey has good reasons for not telling anyone how to find Caylee.
And Baez is another one who is making the prosecution’s job easy. Encouraging a pathological liar to keep lying when an innocent baby is involved is not in his client’s best interests considering the mountain of evidence against her.
I can’t imagine what kind of person might believe there could ever, ever be a valid reason for a mother to NOT do everything she can to save her child from ‘kidnappers.’ Not an innocent mother.
HI Val! Good to hear from you again. I don’t think she was molested or abused by anyone…definitely a last minute ploy to make jurors feel bad for her.
Her lawyer may tell her to throw her family under the bus to make her look like they are at fault for creating a monster. Apparently she has no problem with this approach.
so LV is Lee right 🙂
her conversations with Lee are definitely weird, as if they are talking in codes
not friends…maybe that means cops…
Yes lv means lee I prefr eddie munstr…tho
I think it’s possible the missing blackberry was covered in decomposition or something & she had to dump it also because it didn’t work anymore.
Whatever happened to it, I don’t believe she lost it accidentally, I believe she HAD TO get rid of it.
Ll_Mom
That is my worst fear too. All it takes is a few people to say that there is no HARD evidence and she walks
LOL I love munster
What cell service did she have? ATT, Verizon etc?
Its all her nanny story…cus wusnt she a home b4 they arrested her…wusnt she at home like the night b4 the took her in the first time…I am sur that its all the story she told them while she wus at home the marvelous, wundrful,enchantng nanny story…
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pm Okay heres a thought what if the neck breaking searches were for song lyrics but she didn’t know the name but just a couple of words in the son. There is a groug called Full Circle(heavy Metal) with a song “If I Had One Neck To Break”.Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pm Okay heres a thought what if the neck breaking searches were for song lyrics but she didn’t know the name but just a couple of words in the son. There is a groug called Full Circle(heavy Metal) with a song “If I Had One Neck To Break”.
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Since this is your opinion, here is mine!
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pm Okay heres a thought what if the neck breaking searches were for song lyrics but she didn’t know the name but just a couple of words in the son. There is a groug called Full Circle(heavy Metal) with a song “If I Had One Neck To Break”.
Exactly Dak, it would be Caylee’s
Wus there really a missng blackbrry…I mean do they have phone records fur that phone but no phone??? Or is it just missng cus she says nanny’s numbr is on it…and that happns to be the phone she cant find the one with the psuedo nannys numbr on it??
definitely the whole conversation between then was like that, friends vs not friends, people I can trust vs people I cannot trust…
C~A said,in November 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
(BURN) 😛 ahahha
eddie munstr and hers whole conversations ovr the jail phone wus him gettng the story straight and writng it down…he wus straight out askng her questions and she wus answrng them…
if there was a phone wouldn’t they have found that by now? cell records can definitely be pulled by police..unless it was a pay as you go phone
i think they had some sort of understanding or code of what they were saying…if my brother was in jail for his kid being missing I definitely would not be as calm as LV nor would i understand by trust vs non trust etc…did they have a close relationship?
Welp whut SHE wuntd the ppl listng to hear anyways..not the truth…its all about outward image to her..and she dusnt kno how to have a solid outward image fur this situation..she wusnt planning on gettng caught..and she did…she is a good liar and theif and murderer..of small helpless defenseless harmless childrn..but a murderer no doubt…and she dunt kno how to have a solid poker face…she isnt to good at lyng straight to the autorities face…they have made swiss cheese outta all of it…that she has spewd to them…IF only LE wuld question her at the club aftr shes had a cuple then she culd relax and talk…take sum cloths off shed be right at home…
She said something about “borrowing” money from the Grandfather’s account to pay for a phone that would be reimbursed by Universal. I don’t know if she actually bought the phone, but she told that story.
Yah so I mean do they have records fur this blackberry or whutevr it is she “lost” with oh so convienantly the nannys number on it…do they have the records fur it??
LOL give her a few drnks maybe some xanax and she will talk…I love it
I wonder if it was a pay as you go phone..you don’t need much personal information to get one of those
i dont know that she was a good liar…I think that her family and friends were enablers. if she was a good liar then caylee disappearing would have worked
C~A that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense
smartychica, isn’t there also a record of calls made if a phone is pay as you go? I would think so.
Didn’t she also claim she lost the phone BUT she still had the sim card?
She’s SUCH a bad liar, I suppose her idiotic lies were good enough for Cindy but OMG detectives must have been laughing their butts off when they got together & discussed this moron’s stories.
I am not sure if there is a record of the calls, I will look into it..my husband works for att so he may know…she did say that it was about a sim card..in the call when they went to universal, she said something about switching sm cards and she was sure the phone number was on the sim card of the other phone
Pay as you go might be easy to get for a person with bad credit but once LE knows the phone number, they’ll pull the phone log records.
not call i meant interrogation in which she led them to universal
I agree that with the phone number they should be able to get info, but if they have no phone number than what would they do?
you can buy those virgin phones from walmart and target and they are assigned with a phone number, to use them u need to buy a universal phone card with a dollar amount of minutes…I am not sure if that is traced or not?
If the state takes the death penalty off the table does that mean that Lemon doesn’t have to be her lawyer anymore? Does that mean that blundering BB with all of 3 years experience could defend her by himself? Or would he still have to get an attorney with more experience?
I’m just wondering because it’s getting pretty late to be bringing in another new attorney for her.
Also I am very interested in the reports that twice it looked like she might have been close to talking to police, maybe telling them more or even where Caylee is, and that BB talked her out of it both times. What’s he telling her? I can get you off scot free? Could he possibly believe that?
Dak, I really think that you should call C (her numbers are on some of the recently released docs) and get her email addy and communicate with her. I don’t know how many supporters she has but I don’t think there are a lot. And your take on every new piece of evidence (forensics and witness statements or information like neck breaking) and your POV on LE would really cheer her up. She’s obviously tired and may not be thinking up all of this as fast as you are. Kidfinders would also appreciate the help I’m sure. Your thoughts would probably receive much more appreciation from them and it might be more rewarding for you too.
m2c: your question, “Do you think that C has always believed every word that M said? And if so Why? Then and/or now?”
My response: Maybe whatever drives anyone who enables others. One idea is that the person believes they are offering unconditional love (a saint, a martyr, etc). They simply cannot see that instead of helping (normally associated, when someone is motivated by love), they are hurting the person, supporting a bad habit, lifestyle, etc.
If this is so with Cindy, then perhaps the answer to “why,” in her eyes, would be bc she loves her daughter unconditionally and will never give up on her. I’m sure the issue is more complex than this–that’s just one idea.
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NECK BREAKING SEARCH:
Consider the context — This search was in the midst of other searches, minutes apart from searches such as household weapons and self defense. Not logical that she would search about weapons and then search for a song about neck breaking, rather than the all-too-real meaning.
It’s one thing to repeatedly offer Casey the benefit of doubt; it’s another to become a full blown apologist for her and her actions. In the latter case, one loses all objectivity.
my two cents – what were the reports about for M talking to LE?
She is a terrible liar
And if bb is keepng her frum talkn then he is doing it fur the noteriety to make a name of himself…he be the one to keep convictd killr mothr of Caylee Marie Anthony off death row fur the murder of her daughtr…that’d be the headline…and all criminals wuld be a calln if they were in a pinch!!
You rule Tex… 🙂
hello to all! baaaack for round three! (lol…..meaning I’ve been on the blog 3 times today!).
smartychica, you still here? Hey, if ya are, I hope you didn’t think I was being mean earlier when I called you smarty……I was shortening your name, so hope you knew that. I was reading posts to get caught up and read it and then I left after that so I was hoping you knew what I mean by saying smarty????
m2c – That’s very good advice you’ve offered (at 6:16 pm)! 😉 And seriously, it’s true!
Its just arguing fur the sake of disagreeing..
Pickles – 🙂
Mytwocents…calls it like yah see’s it… 🙂
Tex!!! sapponin??? 🙂
Okay i wasn’t sayin that the searches on the computer weren’t related to the case they may be. I was just stating that there could be possible other reasons.
Pickles – perceptive idea about BB. What sort of human being puts his career (fame & fortune) ahead of an innocent toddler being found and given a proper burial? (a poor excuse for a human being, imo)
I would love to hear an attorney’s ideas on Baez advising M to NOT help LE find Caylee. I repeat that we will never know if she truly was going to talk. But twice she at least indicated that she would (after she’d had the chance to get very afraid in jail).
Anyone have insight into this? Is it typical practice to tell a client not to assist LE?
Pickles – consuming leftover pie!
‘sapponin wit choo?
chsah…i figured you were shortening it I am not offended at all:)
lawyers will tell thier clients not to talk unless legally told to..anything they say can incrminate themselves further so lawyers advise them not to talk
smartychica – About the missing phone. They should be able to check pings from all phones coming from the Anthony home. Process of elimination should rule out C & G’s phones. Also, they could do cross searches for another phone number, comparing a set of regularly called numbers.
I don’t think she can get rid of evidence by throwing away a phone. Besides, it should be in her name. Records of payments; check her name with other phone service companies, etc.
Also, they could check her friends’ phones for another number possibly belonging to Casey. And text messages.
In other words, she cannot hide anything from LE. She seemed to have been quite naive about technological issues (such as thinking that bc she claimed a number was private, then LE couldn’t find it. rofl) What an idiot.
Hi, All! I’m going back to simpley mytwocents.
The poster who appeared briefly with the same screen name changed hers to mythreecents and has not come back that I’ve seen. So I really don’t need the original part anymore.
smartychica – I’m trying to find where I read that. It was a news report. Said that the day of the Grand Jury indictment she made a call from the Sheriff’s office to BB about talking to LE and BB talked her out of it. Another time she wanted to talk to her father and BB talked her out of it. The little blurb on this appeared just in the last day or two and I will try to find it.
smartychica – But what if in doing so, the lawyer is in effect, advising them to commit another crime? I would think that not disclosing location of Caylee’s body would be another crime. Perhaps minor compared to murder, but still, I would think a lawyer couldn’t legally advise a client to do something that is illegal.
Not sure if I’m making this clear, and I’m just using logic–I don’t know the law on this issue.
the first thing lawyers will tell clients is to not talk to anyone without them there or ther consent…legally they will not tell them what to say or what to deny; however they can coounsel on what would be in thier clients best interest
I googled “weapons out of household products” and among a lot of “how to make bomb” info I found a site soliciting original songs. So that must be it. She wrote a song about making weapons out of household products and was going to try to sell it! And no doubt she was going to enter the “everyone lies, everyone dies” into a poetry contest! Or maybe song lyrics. And you know to be a REAL poet or songwriter you have to LIVE it. You have to SUFFER. Sort of like the street creds that send rappers to the top of the charts. So that must be why she had to kill Caylee. So she could truly be a real and suffering artiste!
Poor thing. So misunderstood all this time.
thanks my two cents.
as for the cell phone, you could be correct that it would give off the pings? I was not sure if a pay as you go phone does that?
For instance, my husband works for att, he has a drawer full of old cell phones that we never use…2 of which were pay as you go phones…if i bought a prepay universal card for one of the pay phones…wouldnt the ping only go off when i activate it? or are you saying that 50 pings go off from my house daily b/c we have so many phones?
I am not being argumentative so you know, I am just trying to understand as I do NOT know how pay as you go phones really work..
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 6:23 pm Okay i wasn’t sayin that the searches on the computer weren’t related to the case they may be. I was just stating that there could be possible other reasons.
Dak, come on here, let’s use a little logic in this case. Again, one little piece of this puzzle aint gonna get the puzzle put together! That is JUST another minoot part of the whole picture with this hoe…
smartychica – I know that. I was just interested to see that she might have been having second thoughts about telling the police more (dare we even hope for something close to the truth?) I’m sure she would not have done it without asking for a good plea deal or something. But it appears that BB just nipped it in the bud. Wonder if she really did or is thinking about talking before the trial.
Concerned in Texas said,in November 28th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I dunt think that its him tellng her not to tell I think IF he is doin this its him wuntng to get the case tried in a diffrnt way…like if she claims ppd and the jury goes with it…then she gets life in prison as to oppose her cold blooded murdr and the jury givng her death…IF he is tellng her not to talk and playng her case out in this mannr then its most certainly so that he can make a name as a criminal defense lawyr…and what child killr or mass rapist wuld pass up ol mr.baez if he gets killr oh just life in prison..and she sk8ts on the death penalty…there are criminals and murders all ovr Florida…and he wunts to defend them
Another possible reason (Dak), could be she is totally innocent for the disappearance of Caylee Marie (whatever!)……..YOU yourself have said before you don’t believe she is innocent (correct me if I’m wrong here)…so why would you look for a “reasonable” explanation of her “searches”…….when this case has gone beyond ANY “reasonable” reasoning??????
she would be stupid to talk before the trial..I wish she would, so we could all put caylee to rest..but she would be sealing her fate if she talked now…i agree with the earlier posting..if there is no hard evidence, she can still get a hung jury and walk away..so why talk?
smartychica – If you were asking me about the cell phone ping thing I am not the person who was commenting on that and I don’t know a durned thing about how they work.
However I do remember that in her first discussion with the cops she said she took the sim card out of the phone that she had lost. BUT the sim card would not have the nanny’s number on it. That number was still on the lost phone. (Don’t ask me what that means or if it’s even possible. I’m just remembering what she said to them at that time).
I am sorry I wasn’t clear, I was thanking you for looking into the link my two cents, and then I was addressing concerned in texas about the cell phone
I wuld think that cus of big brothr eye in tha sky whitie that all cell phones evn go phones have some sort of record if they are activatd..
I just doubt this mysterious dingleberry phone evn xists..cus of course the only phone that has the nannys numbr is the phone thats missng and of course ther is no sims card in the phone cus its out and missng too..wich makes no sense none of it..if the phone is missng why does the sim card evn mattr…did she evn have a numbr fur the phone thats missng..
smartychica – no worries. We’re just discussing possibilities (which I thoroughly enjoy doing, even if someone disagrees or shows me another way of thinking–that’s how we learn!).
I’m basing my comments on what I heard LE say about being able to know how many cell phones were turned on and being used at Baez’s office.
So maybe–but perhaps only if you and phone-hoarder hubby turn on all the phones at once!!! j/k lol
I do know the phones have to be not only “working phones” but they also have to be turned on. No pings when you turn off the phone, according to what I heard anyway.
But seriously, since he works for ATT, maybe he can help us understand this better.
I have taken a SIM card and used it in another phone – if you store numbers to the SIM you can do that – switch phones – just like switching hard drives. It keeps all of your account info. It also has a better record of phone numbers called/received and text details.
You can save numbers to both the SIM and the phone itself, but they generally show up twice in your address book and in some phones numbers stored on SIM will not be activated by voice dial.
Since she was taking a SIM card out and using it in another phone, it’s likely that she was using the exact same phone number on both her current cellphone and the Blackjack that she “lost”. I think she was trying to tell the cops that Zani’s number had only been saved to the lost phone itself and not the SIM.
However, if she was using the same billing number, all of those phone calls have been retrieved through her billing records. The fact that they have been able to access them and the text messages themselves show that there was enough SIM information from her current phone.
I tend to believe she was using the “lost phone” as code for the location of Caylee during her conversations with her brother in jail. She told Lee she lost it in Blanchard Park and he asks her several times how he should look for it. I think both of them knew that any lost telephone numbers stored in a phone would be useless if the cops got ahold of the records, which of course they would. IMHO.
Mytwocents…it wulda shown remorse if she wulda talkd b4 the trial…and remorse is a key factor in sentencng rulings with the jury
First of all CHSAH I did say she wasn’t innocent of the lies and fraud charges but I can’t say without a reasonable doubt she guilty of murder.
CIT – And remember very early on in the case the state offered her a limited immunity deal? I think it was intended to encourage her to tell where little Caylee was. The offer was to not use anything she told them (that she said) against her but it left open the state’s ability to use anything they FOUND against her.
So I guess if they found the child’s body they could use that evidence against her but could not use her words or the fact that she told them where to find it against her. Obviously BB talked her out of that too.
A jury will rule fur life in prison if a criminal shows some type of remorse fur there crime!!!! Lots of murders have receivd life in prison cus they showd remoresefullness…and if she wulda confessd that is a form of remorse…and thats how the jurors wulda seen it…then she culd do the whole boo hoo woes me thing fur the jury oh Im so bad oh im the worst mothr…and she wulda got life in prison…
Concerned…
I know he may know..I will ask him when he gets home…he had to be at work today at 4:30 A.M..yuck!
pickles..some pay as you go phones do have sim cards..it depends on where you buy them..I do know that, b/c my daughter has a firefly which is pay as you go but she has a sim card.
O gosh…here we go!!
*blast off*
Mtc…..LOL. Dang you should be a therapist, you got that M all figured out! That was more like $50 dollars worth instead of two cents worth! lol… Good job!
So she could truly be a real and suffering artiste!
Poor thing. So misunderstood all this time.
And the recent picture of her we’ve had the “not so much pleasure” in seeing of her in true form (if ya know what I mean..) is for her album label too! (ick……just kidding!)
Dak, are you friggin’ kidding me?????? What’s your IQ, just curious???
Smartychica – you are right. Pings only go off when a phone is turned on and actually making calls. When turned off, recharging or when not in use, no pings.
That is what is so fascinating about this case. The girl was on the phone so constantly that when there is an absence of pings it means that for some reason, she cannot multitask. She is often on facebook and the phone at the same time.
pickles — And of course, if she truly lost the phone (and the darn sim card), and she truly wanted to find the pretend Zanny’s phone number, all she has to do is tell LE HER OWN phone number for the phone she lost. They look up records of every number ever called or received. Bingo, there’s the number.
If she claims she used the same phone number with that phone, just look up the records!
In other words, that story doesn’t hold water.
…Unless the phone called Zelly Celly was kidnapped by Zanny Nanny.
No problem smartychica! I’m sorry that I am far from a techie with these things!
Pickles, you’re right. If she could show some remorse even now maybe it would help her. I just think that BB thinks he’s going to get 12 Daks on the jury and it’ll be a slam dunk walk.
I just think its redundant…the only phone with the supposed nannys numbr on it is gone..and whutevr the sims card is is gone too..welp since the phone is gone then of course the sims card is gone with it..I mean duh..why wuld she go so much furthr in the lie by sayng she took the sims card out and lost it to…and it just makes no sense…she lost the phone fine that means all the phone right the intenna,the earpeice,the buttons..see whut im sayn..why create more of a lie with sayng the sims card wus removd and lost also…she just dunt kno where to stop lyng to the authorities…they make her nervous..
HAHA I work for an IT company but i do not think I am techie either MTC… just have to listen about cell phones all the time
Naww IF bb is tellng her not to talk its cus he wunts to make a huge name fur himself…
I doubt they culd find 12 Daks…
Pickles…I agree that it was probably a lie that there was ever another phone. I was only commenting on the phone as someone brought it up and i was saying it is possible she had an untraceable pay as you go phone..
BB’s in it for the noteriety..he is gunna get her life in prison and all the murderers and rapist’s and armed robbrs are gunna b callng him fur his service..he is gunna blo up in FL…aftr he gets her just life fur this crime
First of all My2cents people like me are what should be on a jury because I haven’t already convicted her just on whats been released in the media and not seeing exactly what the prosecution has, because what they have as released in the media is circumstantial. the jury needs to be openminded and not convicting someone before a trial or else it wouldn’t be a fair trial.
Pickles, I’m afraid to count on that. In addition to our own, there is C plus three people with kidfinders so there are five people in this world that we know of who “think” like that. (Not sure whether to count RobInCanada – that would make six).
These particular individuals may not be eligible for the jury but they indicate that more could be “out there!” That’s one of the reasons I’m going to be on pins and needles throughout the trial!
M even lied about the cell phone anyway. She told LE in the beginning that the sim card wasn’t in either phone, that she left it lay on her desk at Universal…….ummmm, let’s see, no universal job =no desk =no truth to the story……..AGAIN.
Not all phones use SIM cards – they are part of the bigger smart card the phone uses (UICC) but are portable and allow phone switching (I worked for at&t for several years but not in cellular so I don’t know all that much).
TMobile and at&t phones both use SIM cards. Don’t know what other carriers/phone mfg. use them too. I might have read her records were Verizon as carrier.
Yah oh yah..well the phone is a good topic that we have nevr really talkd bout…so thats why I wus still yakkn bout it.. 🙂
Dak, no offense but you are the LEAST open minded person I’ve ever seen on this blog. You despise LE and have a predelicition to disbelieve anything at all they say, do or produce as evidence.
And I’m afraid that you have misjudged most of the rest of us. I believe what I do now because of what I’ve read and heard. Put me on the jury tomorrow and I’ll listen to everyone and look at the evidence presented WITHOUT the prejudices you have so deeply ingrained.
Pickles, you are correct at that….you could NEVER get 12 daks in one room. Unfortunately they only have to have one dak…..and he is already biased so he wouldn’t get on the jury anyway.
Pickles – I believe she told the police that her current phone had the SIM, but that the Blackjack (which she had swapped it from) did not have Zani’s number saved to the SIM but just to the phone. She was trying to get out of giving them Zani’s number at the time.
She is an idiot, because they did not even need the SIM but simply her number to access all the calls.
m2c – great point, as usual. I’ll bet you’re right and BB talked her out of the immunity deal. And remember too that he basically has been told to step aside bc he is not qualified for a murder case. Yet he not only remains but is in charge. It concerns me that she could later say she wasn’t properly represented (not greatly worried but it crosses my mind).
What father would LET an attorney keep the daughter from talking to him (possibly) about the whereabouts of his granddaughter? I can tell you my father would have broken the doors down on the jail and knocked down any attorney (or anyone else, for that matter) standing in the way.
smartychica (love the screen-name, btw) – Let us know anything you can find out from him. The technically-challenged can use all the help we can get. Heck, I look at elec wall sockets and stand in wonder at why electricity doesn’t stream out of the holes!!!! lol
Pickles – Your 7:00 pm post (part B) rofl rofl YOU RULE!!!
Yeah right My2 cents you already have her convicted so what are you going to lie to the judge and say you could be biased because of they were to print out the things said on this blog you wouldn’t qualify for them(at least not the defense. And please be mor elaborate on me being the least openminded.
Dak, have to second the motion on MTC’s comment about “least open minded” on the blog.
Pickles, we can talk about the phone, didn’t mean anything by my comment other than M is found to be a liar once again! go for it….it is interesting to me!
So just because I don’t think she’s guilty of murder and don’t trust LE I’m not openminded.
Yah the cell phone thing is soo unbelievable with it being molded into all the othr lies she has said…Nothng she has said has the ring of truth in it…its so hard to believe the whole lost phone and sims card or whutvr due to all the othr lies she has said about the whereabouts of her child and the lies she told about the nanny livng at that apartmnt when she droppd her child off and that the nanny had livd there for 2yrs and there wus nevr that person by that name livng there…I just cant believe a word she says…Zanieda Gonzales nevr resided at the sawgrass apts….nevr…no one by that name
Dak are you frum FLorida??? How come you dunt trust LE???
Dak, you dont’ wanna go there and have anyone on here elaborate on ur being the least openminded. You opening a can of whoop a** for yourself by asking that question. And then you’ll be whining b/c everyone is pickin’ on ya!
I also don’t fully conlude that the forensics report on the hair sample are conclusive.
CHSAH no I wus talkn to Chica bout the phone…I didnt wunt her to think I wus tryng to be rude by talkn bout the phone still I like the phone thing its very interstng
Well Pickles I have lived in Florida long enough to not fully trust them compared to where I used to live.
Awww poooht….Dak why dunt jah trust LE???
Go ahead CHSAH give it a shot I’m a big boy(lol)
I’ve seen them screw things up before.
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 7:12 pm So just because I don’t think she’s guilty of murder and don’t trust LE I’m not openminded.
Not what I read into that comment Dak. It’s your logic and lack of reasoning in this case that makes some of us question your “openminded behavior” or lack there of. Put some logic behind this and you might just see the light.
OHhh right Dak…thats right you do live in FLorida…huh isnt that convienent how you live in FLorida in Orlando isnt it..its too convienent that you come in here defending killr tooth and nail tho everyone else in America can see thru her act…ohh I think I see totally whut this is…its a little to convienent fur muh…that you come from FL and love Casey and that you feel the need to make us look stoopid..and continue to come up with a more logical defense of her…WOW…huh…ok “Dakdude3” ok..
Pickles, got ya girl! Din’t want ya to think my comment was saying it wasn’t important. It’s all good….
Dak, you have consistently attempted to de-bunk every single thing LE has said or done and all the evidence and statements/testimony against M. You are prejudiced against LE. That is not being open-minded. LOL!
Yeah. Right now I think she’s guilty because of the preponderence of evidence and lack of a plausible counter theory. But when the trial starts if I get to watch it I’ll consider everything presented. I am not prejudiced against LE, the state, or the defense. That’s being open-minded.
But forget I mentioned it.
BBL Folks!
Yuppp ok “Dakdude3” if that is truelly who you say you are…okay…
See there Pickles you pretty much nailed the reason she won’t get a fair trial:
everyone else in America can see thru her act….
I do live in Florida but not Orlando but I used to.
Dak – With all due respect, from what I have seen for months and months, you view nearly 100% of all evidence, news, reports, etc. from a subjective viewpoint. I don’t recall reading a single objective comment from you on any aspect of this case.
Again, a huge canyon divides giving the benefit of doubt and being an apologist.
My proof? If something is 99% certain of being “A,” and 1% chance of being “B,” then every single time, you vote in favor of the exception, rather than the rule. And life doesn’t work that way. That’s why we follow results of studies. Think about it.
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EXHIBIT A:
Dak – Please give your reasoning behind not “fully concluding” that the hair samples are conclusive.
Hey evryone who I have emaild befor has a email frum me right now…so go look
I’m not prejudiced against LE I just don’t believe everything they put out, and the way they handle things sometimes. Its not all LE I don’t trust fully jusy Orlando LE. Le where I used to live was really good.
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 7:16 pm Go ahead CHSAH give it a shot I’m a big boy(lol)
no….not gonna go there with ya. I hate to see a big boy cry….lol.
Okay “Dakdude3” ..if thats who yew truelly are….im beginning to doubt that tho…she wont get a fair trial.. and how convienent…just a few months ago you said you livd in ORlando on the othr side of the airport…did you move???
CHSAH I think you could be right on the whole thing that no sim on the desk = no phone exists…the only reason it was brought up was b/c earlier Ll_Mom made a comment about the missing blackberry, I was just stating that it is possible that she had another phone that could not be listed under her name..
Tex I wulda emaild joo but I dunt have yer addy..@!!
Because most highy respected forensics labs would state that there was a postmartem band at the root to indicated it came from a dead body not that is showed characteristics of decomposition.
dak, are ya speakin’ from personal experience on not trusting LE, cause you makin’ it sound like that’s the case and I’m wonderin’ why yu be having so much contact with LE anyway???? Something we need to know to understand this??? And dont be tellin’ me it’s because of things you have read or seen in the big city…
aww now i feel left out 🙁
The othr phone not listd in her name culda been her call gurl phone frum her pimp!!!
Pickles I never said I lived in Orlando. I said I live about 2 hours from Orlando. I live in Hudson, Fl. Mapquest it and you will see that I don’t live really close to Orlando. And by the way it also says that on my Myspace which most everybody has seen.
PICKLES that is hilarious!!
Yah “Dakdude3” I wuld xpect to hear that frum the anthony camp…tryng to dispell evrythng that LE and the feds have found and workd soo hard fur…
“Dakdude3” anybody can make a myspace and put some jo blos pic up there…killr and c both had myspace pages…there a dime a dozn!!
No I have not had any contact personally with LE but some people that I have known have and have been put in jail on info that was crappy at best with no proof at all.
smartychica said,in November 28th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
😛 shhh
smartychica…..I know. No problem, love hearing your view points.
Well if you don’t believe I guess there is nothing I can say.
concerned in texas…the name is my email..using it makes it easier for me to remember for everything else..
I mean when I had a page on myspace my picture on it wus a drunk stacy keech mugshot..and I most certainly dunt look like that ol man…so ..ok “Dakdude3”
Dak, have you ever taken a lie detector test?
Welp “Dakdude3” whaddyah xpect…you act more like a anthony then they do…hmmm so whut else do joo kno bout this whole case huh “Dakdude3”
Im beginning to wundr alot more about you and your motives “Dakdude3” hmmm
Nope never taken a lie detector.
I think my view is pretty much what everyone on here is saying…I do wonder about some aspects..however I do not think that a cell phone or anything else will ever point to casey not being guilty..I am hoping we can find caylee is all
Wonder all you want Pickles I have no motives.
having a myspace dont’ make the info valid dak….they will put anything on the net! Look at M’s NASTY pics!!!!!
Yah ok sur…mmm hmmm…neithr dus killr or her family tho eithr do they “Dakdude3” no motives…thats whut they all say!!!
Chica she is guilty…the phone is small potatas compard to the rest of it..like the car wich still smells to this day…shes screwd
dakdude, ever been asked to take a poly?
Hey “Dakdude3” you live in ORlando why dunt joo go and see if they’ll let choo smell duh car and then tell us whut choo think it is???
I bet you say “rottn pizza”
Oh gosh this is to much now…ahahahahaha
No I have never been asked to take a poly I have never done anything wrong which require a poly.
Pickles I will say just once more I do not live in Orlando.
dak, would you ever let M babysit your children? Let’s say hypothetically she gets out (big hypothetic!), and you needed a sitter, would you let her watch your children if you needed a sitter?
Dak, would you take a poly if asked?
Yah yah yah Dak I kno jooo live in wherevr in FL..I kno…blah blah blah…
Pickles, stay with me girl…dont stop now…IT’S TOO FUNNY!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h3sRmbkYztmZI0Nrt0KBPjomlK1AD94O81Q00
Naww CHSAH I lost it…sorry..I got bored
lol…….sent you message.
No I would not let M babysit my children and no it has nothing to do with her personally, I am very picky about who watches my children, mostly family. And yes i would take a poly if asked.
Dak – your comment: “Because most highy respected forensics labs would state that there was a postmartem band at the root to indicated it came from a dead body not that is showed characteristics of decomposition.”
That is not true. There are several stages of decomposition for hair, and the postmortem band is only one stage. The report says the hair showed decomposition but we just don’t know which STAGE one (it goes through the stages, with time).
Any other reason? Or just that, because if that’s all there is, then you would need to reconsider your answer. Research the stages of decomp for hair, and you will be able to confirm what I said in the above paragraph.
I challenge you to show that you can be objective by researching this and return to discuss it again.
The FBI Forensics Lab is one of the most well respected labs in the world.
Tex joooo rule!!! ahahahaha love it…
Yes but hair can show signs of decomp other was as with some chemicals.
Dak – I’ll make you a deal. If you’ll research the decomp issue and return to discuss it objectively, then I’ll tell you why I also cannot fully conclude that the FBI report on the decomp is 100% conclusive.
And I’ll also share why I CAN believe the report to be true, based on the reasonableness of the report.
There’s a difference between accepting something as reasonable and fully concluding something is fact.
Dak, please answer each of the following questions.
o If you were on jury of the Casey Anthony murder trial what would convince you of her guilt?
o What do you consider “reasonable doubt?”
you have consistently attempted to de-bunk every single thing LE has said or done and all the evidence and statements/testimony against M. You are prejudiced against LE. That is not being open-minded. LOL!
Dak, I aint buying for one minute that it’s b/c you don’t trust M with ur kids…….I said hypothetically anyway and if you have no problem with M and her lies, you would have no reason to not trust her with ur kids.
Why would you take a poly if asked? I’m guessing it’s b/c you feel you have nothing to hide AND therefore you’d pass?????? BINGO!!! EXACTLY THE REASON THAT NONE OF THE ANTS WILL TAKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST!
Dak – Can you please re-phrase your 7:49 pm statement? I can’t understand what you’re saying. Thanks.
HAHAHAHA okay there HAHAHAHAHA uhh I had tuh get that out…that wus just fun… 😛
Yes Dak can joo puhlease re-phrase that fur us…
Cit…….well said.
Mmt…..good questions.
Pickles…..still lmbo!
Dak – stop looking at Casey’s pic and come talk to us! 😉 just kidding…. but come on back, Dak!
Evening all. I see I didn’t miss much LOL.
Concerned in Texas said,in November 28th, 2008 at 7:49 pm Dak – I’ll make you a deal. If you’ll research the decomp issue and return to discuss it objectively, then I’ll tell you why I also cannot fully conclude that the FBI report on the decomp is 100% conclusive.
Dak, I think that’s a pretty reasonable request and in all your confidence, I expect you’ll oblige CIT in a showdown??
CIT, if Dak don’t oblige you, then you still have to let us know the answer to your statement…..I’m interested!
i think you guys are right on the phone..probably insignifigant
..however I did ask my hubby and he confirmed that you do not need any info or id to purchase a pay as you go phone from retailers like walmart and target, and that if you also purchased a universal pay card, then you would never reveal your identification. Additionally the pings are only recorded once the phone is activated and on.
PAW – no, you didn’t miss much. Just allegations of incest, an attorney talking his client out of disclosing location of missing child, etc.
Seriously, there’s sooooo much new info disclosed–unbelievable!
CHSAH – Thanks.
MMT – Howdy!
Pickles – Where’d he go?
OK Dak–I’ll even throw in a bonus. I’ll give a hint as to why I believe the Report is reasonable and true. (Hint: the stain) Now you can’t resist this, can you?
Dak always leaves (or pretends too) when the heat gets too much for him. I’m surprised he blogged THAT long! lol…
it’s pickles fault! lol….
hi PAW69…nice to have you! But you HAVE MISSED ALOT….(lol)..
yay, LOL
smartyc……good info to know. Thanks for getting back to us on that!
Dak, I believe the answer is right here in the statement below written by CIT. I totally agree with her and that’s why I asked you the question about telling us what you mean by reasonable doubt.
“There’s a difference between accepting something as reasonable and fully concluding something is fact.”
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Hey everyone, I apologize for the error in my last post. I accidentally posted the statement below intending to respond to it then I changed my mind and forgot to delete it. OOPS, sorry!
“you have consistently attempted to de-bunk every single thing LE has said or done and all the evidence and statements/testimony against M. You are prejudiced against LE. That is not being open-minded. LOL!”
OMG!!! Cindy is frantic on the phone with 911, Casey get’s on the phone and she’s so calm. WOW!!!
DAK??????? (yelling..)
Sorry I am not gone.
I think that the benifit of listening to the items that Dak brings to light, like neck breaking = a song or death ring on hair = shows characteristics not IS…just gives us all a taste of what BB and defense are going to throw at the prosecution and jury.
Again, I always preface that I believe Casey is 100% guilty..however our law states that if there is a reasonable doubt she can walk…which i would NEVER want to see
lmao Bumpy I just got your e-mail, LMAO too funny.
First of all CHSAH I wouldn’t trust anyone with my kids that I haven’t known less than a year and since my wifes family is usually the ones to babysit I wouldn’t need anyone else. Everybody that has watched my kids I have known more than 5 years.
Paw69, I wonder if it was after that in which C started taking meds???? Or was it before when she was seeing the psychiatrist b/c she had enough of M??? Just curious b/c she was FREAKING out on the phone like a normal person would if their child/grandchild was missing……now she is sooooooo calm, to the point that she has NO emotions! Upped her dose????? Not that it matters, just a thought I wondered about?
I hate to seem like i think she is not guilty..she is..I am just wondering where the so called “smoking gun” is? I really hope the prosecution has some really really good evidence to put that monster away..i hope it won’t turn out like another OJ
I’m gonna say this as bluntly and respectfully as possible.
Casey Killed Caylee and the FACTS will prove it. IMO.
I’m not posting what I do to cause controversy or to say anyone elses opinions are wrong. I don’t come here telling people to believe what I say I just say what I feel and think and if it is taken for anything other than that then I’m sorry not my fault. I don’t ask you guys to prove every little thing you say.
I am sorry PAW 69..ddnt mean to offend…I agree 🙂 I am just curious to which facts we dont know
MMT – Exactly. And people overlook that sometimes.
First, I can’t 100% conclude the report presents positive-proof fact because they added a qualifier to their statement: they said “apparent decomposition.” “Apparent” is a qualifier, added not because they have serious doubts but because the nature of the testing doesn’t ever offer 100% positive-proof facts (not like a negative pregnancy test, for example).
But their “apparent decomposition” statement does indicate a “reasonable truth.”
I believe the reasonable truth about the decomposition, combined with the additional laser beam tests on the stain (also showed decomposition) points to reasonable, accepted truth that a body was decomposing.
The only possible animal (chemically possible) is a pig. Now this may be chemically possible, but it is NOT reasonable that a pig joined the squirrels for a party in the car and died in the trunk. (sorry to add humor–I know this is serious, but the thought of a dead pig in the car really is THAT ridiculous–it is NOT plausible).
This is why I DO believe the FBI Forensics Report does indeed show that a human body had decomposed while in the trunk. And the DNA testing confirms Caylee (excluding Casey bc she’s alive). Therefore, Caylee was decomposing in the trunk (a sad, heartbreaking conclusion!).
I was typing fast–Did I make myself clear?
You ask me to prove things and if you don’t get answer right away(while I’m trying to research)I get slammed so I’m not even going to try. if you can’t except my opinions for what they are without asking me to back them up then I’ll be outta here.
CHSAH, I feel they upped her meds, then upped it again. IMO
Smarty, There is evidence that they have that hasn’t been released yet, I think that’s the evidence with the smoking gun. IMO
are you guys ok with me commenting or asking questions? I have been reading for awhile but I dont want to step on anyones toes at all… can definitely shut up and just read 🙂
Dak, my point is that you can’t see beyond the scope to see or think hypothetically to answer a question without prejudice. Your last answer confirmed that, b/c given the question, you danced around it and didn’t answer it in the “what if” of it. That’s why I think you have trouble seeing the objective of our points in this case. Everything will not always be black and white and alot of the facts in this case are circumstancial (circumstances in which the normal person would not react the way M has from day one)and others have been convicted on circumstantial evidence. I don’t pretend to know all the facts in this case and therefore, rely on all my blogger experts to help me understand some of the facts in this case. It is really quite an amazing experience, you should try it!
LOL Smarty, No offense here.
But I will say this, For now on I will be saying (IMO) at the end of my sentences due to being attacked for most things I say. This way no one can attack me anymore because I have specified (IMO) 😛
Smarty, you have every right to comment (in a respectful manner of course) 😛
haha I was actually wondering what IMO meant
Smartyc……ABSOLUTELY ASK AND BLOG AWAY….we don’t mean to be blog hogs! (not that I’m fat or anything I mean! lol)…We welcome your comments and feel like yu can jump in anytime.
CHSAH, Don’t forget, others have been convicted, death penalty, as well without a body, as well in a circumstantial case.
thanks..I felt really apprehensive and intimidated at first..but I did comment the other night and talked to Val a bit which was very welcoming and nice
PAW 69 – that s true they can definitely convict without a body
smartyc….i hope it won’t turn out like another OJ
Honey, there are NEVER any guarantees, we can only pray for justice against this murdering monster. Even if they had a body, at this point, it would not probably be a “smoking gun” case, b/c the body would be too badly decomposed. Even a confession wouldn’t be a smoking gun probably in this case b/c M and the Ants have lied from day one…..what’s to be believed???? Good point tho…
Dak’s quote: “You ask me to prove things and if you don’t get answer right away(while I’m trying to research)I get slammed so I’m not even going to try. if you can’t except my opinions for what they are without asking me to back them up then I’ll be outta here.”
Dak, dak, dak: We were just teasing and playing around while waiting for you. We were stalling, waiting to go on to another topic. That’s all. We meant no disrespect–just teasing like siblings do.
Why would you want anyone to accept your opinions without asking for the reasons behind them? I always want others to question me–it helps me remain objective–keeps me on my toes.
For instance, I was incorrect when I stated the report indicated a death band. I mis-remembered. So, I re-read everything, did research, and came back and explained my error and shared my newfound knowledge. It was a win-win situation. I learned my error, corrected it on this blog, and learned new info on hair decomp. And now I’m challenging you to do the same. That’s all.
I’m sorry I teased you about the photos. I had hoped you would remember that was a joke months ago. If not, then I’m sorry.
Well despite the evidence and the lying from all parties involved I will hold my conviction when the trial starts.
Dak said:
I don’t ask you guys to prove every little thing you say…..
alot of people in this blog have been asked to provide links etc. as to where they came up with the assumption they have when they make a statement of contradiction to what another one believes??? You are treated no differently. Quit whining……take it like a man! lol…
smartychica – Sorry. Some of us here have a long “sibling-type” relationship with Dak. And sometimes, we all get hyper-focused on one issue, and the blog goes about 900 miles an hour when that happens.
We didn’t mean to leave you out. Welcome to da blog!
CIT….omg!!!! too funny!
The only possible animal (chemically possible) is a pig. Now this may be chemically possible, but it is NOT reasonable that a pig joined the squirrels for a party in the car and died in the trunk.
it’s ok…..WE NEED a little humor at times in this blog! I luv’d it!
Concerned you or nobody else has to accept anything I say I say what I say to express what I think. There may or may not be reason for it.If I want say someone is innocent that other people say is guilty I don’t have to justify to anyone why I feel that why. And if people really where open to someones opinion they won’t feel the need to give that person the third degree about why. I could care less about what evidence there is still doesn’t prove that the person murdered anyone. That person may or may not be involved indirectly. At the most that person could be an accesory to the crime but doesn’t make that person the actual killer.
No problem..I did read though that over 300 cases have been tried with “no body” and that in only 1 instance did they actually find the child to be alive…I really wish this was that “instance” what a cutie she was…I have a 3 year old at home and can’t imagine life without her
Dak, You said:
Dakdude3 said,
in November 28th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Concerned you or nobody else has to accept anything I say I say what I say to express what I think. There may or may not be reason for it.If I want say someone is innocent that other people say is guilty I don’t have to justify to anyone why I feel that why. And if people really where open to someones opinion they won’t feel the need to give that person the third degree about why. I could care less about what evidence there is still doesn’t prove that the person murdered anyone. That person may or may not be involved indirectly. At the most that person could be an accesory to the crime but doesn’t make that person the actual killer.
Remember that when you go on your next attacking spree 🙂
Dak – one last question. Please identify “all lying parties.”
The FBI is lying? I’m lying?
CHSAH is lying? Pickles? MMT?
I don’t want to make an assumption; I’d rather ask for clarification.
If your answer is FBI, then I’m truly disappointed that you’ve decided to turn your back on an objective discussion about scientific evidence. Science is objective, and science is not tempted to be biased.
Furthermore, the science will remain the same the day of the trial as it is now. That report will not change.
The evidence that LE has suggest that there was a murder and maybe there was. But none of the evidence says CASEY did it herself, and thats why I say I don’t think she is guilty of murder. There is no evidence that can be put in her hand to prove she committed it.
PAW first of all I wasn’t attacking anyone(or atleast until they attacked me).
Dak? What evdence points to Casey NOT murdering Caylee?
Okay you want my opinion. Casey is innocent and Caylee is alive that is my thought and feelings just because I feel that why with nothing to back it up just my honest opinion.
HMMMMM, I remember quite a few times of being attacked by you. But that’s ok. What I feel you have done to me and others in this blog means nothing. And that’s ok with me. 🙂
I wish you were right and that Caylee was alive but what evdence is there to support that?
Sorry Concerned to be re-elaborate I should have said any lying parties involved.
CIT… sorry to hang on your coattails but everything you’re saying couldn’t be explained any better!
CIT’s statement:
“I believe the reasonable truth about the decomposition, combined with the additional laser beam tests on the stain (also showed decomposition) points to reasonable, accepted truth that a body was decomposing.
The only possible animal (chemically possible) is a pig. Now this may be chemically possible, but it is NOT reasonable that a pig joined the squirrels for a party in the car and died in the trunk. (sorry to add humor–I know this is serious, but the thought of a dead pig in the car really is THAT ridiculous–it is NOT plausible).”
Dak, do you understand what CIT is trying to explain? She makes the meaning of reasonable doubt VERY clear.
Dakdude3 statement:
“If you can’t except my opinions for what they are without asking me to back them up then I’ll be outta here.”
Dak, you have made that statement so many times that it makes my head spin.
As for Casey being innocent, Far from it IMO. Evidence? Plenty of it to prove she killed Caylee IMO.
SO jooo kno that smut pic is just the tip of the ice berg with them pics that the feds showd to g the nasty pics…thats just the beginnning…she really wus leadng a double life…the 90% of the time she wus out doin God kno’s whut whervr and the meeger 10% she wus with that child…
does anyone seem to know or have come forward to say where a 3 year old nationally reknowned child is located?
Well if anyone feels they have been attacked I am sorry it was not intended and please don’t do it to me either.
Cus thats her in the pic…and if ther are 1,200 of these pixs…I can just imagine all the ways she made her momma proud…oh muh gosh..cus Im sorry but that pic wus bad…so I can just imagine whut the rest are gunna contain…
pickles..not to bring up the phone again..but i was laughing at your last comment b/c the 1st thing my hubby said when i asked about various kinds of pay as you go phones that wouldn’t reveal your identity he automaticaly looked at me and said, you mean a “hooker phone”
LOL
My point is if I come in and say I think Casey is innocent I don’t need to provide documentation as to why I do.
smartyc, you don’t need to be intimidated, we are all pretty cool on here I would say! There are some pretty good bloggers on here who can present the information with great ease and and in an intellectual fasion. I leave all the intellect to them and respect their opinions and I just keep the blog flowing with lol’s and jk’s and keeping Dak on his toes! (lol)…..it’s all good. You shouldn’t feel intimidated at all……we are here to help each other understand this case….and to sympathize with our feelings and to bash monster…(lol). From what I’ve seen since a few people chose to leave, if someone misunderstand someone else on the blog, they apologize, the other person accepts and we move on. It wasn’t like that several weeks ago (and for several months…), but again those people have moved on and everyone else feels comfortable again that if they make a statement that is taken out of context, that they will be forgiven…..(except Dak)…he just needs to take the flak for being Dak (lol) and don’t be so defensive. It’s all good….
Bumpy, The sad part is, her own father had to sit and look at those pics of HIS OWN DAUGHTER!!!
No wonder he’s sick to his stomach.
There not gunna come forward..its like nejames said in his resignation lettr
The only person without an opinion though is Casey Anthony as only she knows the truth. I believe that the singular person out of the 6 billion people in the world who holds the key to finding Caylee is her mother, Casey Anthony.
What pics PAW
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Dood jooo demand frum us a xplanation fur evrythng we say on here wether it be the gospel or not you demand we find where we read that at and sho you ..so whutevr
Dak said: I don’t have to justify to anyone why I feel that why.
wrong answer pal……your comments along with any of the rest of us, do require justification if asked by another….that is just the way the blog works and if ya can’t handle that, then my friend……..you shouldn’t be here.
smartychica said,in November 28th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
I told jah a hooker phone…yah I watch cops…but hey I like the phone topic its got substinance..I mean cmon we all kno she lian bout the phone or it wus a hooker phone!! a hooker phone
Casey Anthony Made HOOKER OF THE YEAR.
Cindy Anthony, The proud mother who says that her 7 month pregnant daughter would have to have sex in order to get pregnant. (OH Not her princess of a daughter)(She’s still a virgin)!!!
Maybe thats why she doesnt know caylees father? LOl
UM DAK? You aren’t asking me to prove there are pics are you?
Okay drop it people
Drop what? I just asked a question was all.
Oh no she dunt kno Caylees fathr cus she is a party gurl..get drunk and welp does stuff with guy(s) at parties..its highly likely she dunt kno the daddy…I think its the jp chatt guy..
Besides, I believe my comment was to Bumpy. 🙂
Alot of the times I come on here and ask where someone say something its not asking them to prove it its simply because i may not have read it and am curious.
i understand being a “party girl” but come on…she knows who the father is and i dont believe he is dead..however it is most likely a moot point as I don’t think it has anything to do with caylee being killed.
Dak, you still have not answered my question regarding YOUR interpretation of reasonable doubt.
PAW – With all due respect, you must be completely unfamiliar with scholarly debates, where two sides discuss an arguable issue, with both sides presenting their reasons. When these debates happen, no one is accused of attacking another. Instead, it is considered to be an intellectual exercise. Look at the questions I posed to Dak. And MMT’s questions. This is what we were doing.
Are we not here to discuss and debate issues? How do we defend our opinions? Objective opinions are based on reason (logic-based opinions are discussed in legal cases–lawyers don’t present ethos or pathos-based opinions in court).
I teach the art of argument (as in “persuasion” not argument with a negative connotation) for a living. This is what we do in English Departments at universities–all over the world. Western civilization has a wonderful history of the art of debates.
You can add 10 smiley faces to your statement, but I am still offended that you claim I went on an attacking spree.
I was presenting an intellectual challenge. And I fully admit that I did tease Dak (you don’t know the history–we’ve been blogging together for months and months), but I apologized afterwards, when he seemed offended. (and I was referring to a joke about Casey photos from months ago).
I will defend that I was not attacking Dak by asking him his reasons for not believing the FBI’s report. I also will argue (with proof) that if he showed me answers that were more reasonable than mine that I would have reconsidered my opinion. I most certainly do not believe I have a monopoly on the “right” answers, proven by my earlier posts today where I showed that I was wrong about an issue.
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 8:38 pm My point is if I come in and say I think Casey is innocent I don’t need to provide documentation as to why I do.
Dak, so what have you personally accomplished by coming into the blog to express ur opinion and not feeling the need to explain why?????? Those bloggers you attack are trying to give you their facts or opinion as to why Caylee IS deceased and they are very qualified to help you understand the facts????? You just take it all personally. If I came on this blog and spouted off those types of comments, they would expect no less of an explanation from me.
Now yur givng out orders Dak..thats real nice..whutevr Im out gnite yah’ll ..Dak you really shuld get in touch with the Anthony’s they culd really use yur support..there are few out there deluded by a woman who murderd her child so she culd go on and live a life of pleasure….its cool…but they need somone like you..you are just the sympathy they are lookn fur…
GOOD NITE muh FRIENDS..
Bumpy, She couldn’t have been a party hooker. Her mommy thinks she’s a virgin during that time. LMAO
TEX she wus talkng to DAK not you@!!!
PAW69 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
CIT, Many many many blogs ago DAK had attacked me. But it was moved on. He knows. What he did at that time was an attack. But it’s all good.
No wait…Tex she wus respondng to Dak
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 8:32 pm PAW first of all I wasn’t attacking anyone(or atleast until they attacked me
TEX see not to you but to Dak
CHSAH I like your comment above…i really want to believe Caylee is alive, however without proof I must err to the evidence thus far which points to Casey killing her…if Casey did not kill her than lets see the evdence
I haven’t attacked anyone if basing my opinion is attacking then I guess I did attack, and only if I feel I am being attacked. And trust me it has happened.
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Dak YOU bring alot of negativity into the blog when you come in here and its not cus of your opinions!!! I have said it befor and I say it again…
Bumpy, It’s ok, really, it is, cause as you can see, he’s trying to turn it around like usual. It’s all GOOD!!!
Now im confusd nevrmind..I thought you thought she thought you wer attackng her…nevr mind I shuld read more..
What negativity.
Maybe some of you should go back and see how you have responded to some of my post.
Dak, maybe you should as well. IMO
Whutevr Dak you are also barkng orders tonite so lets just drop it..allright…geez yur words not ours…
g’nite!!!
bye, I am off to decorate my tree, i hope I am not intruding and really love the wealth of info you all have.
Have a good night all. NG is over, So now it’s time for bed.
Pickles – Yes she first addressed Dak.
And then she addressed “Concerned.” She began the long paragraph with “Concerned.” But I’ve defended myself against her accusation of attack. That’s all I can do. I’m not worried about it.
Dak – I’m glad you’ve indicated that you’re fine. If you’re not in the mood now, perhaps we can return to the discussion of the Forensics Report on another day. (insert emoticon shaking hands???)
Dak – you didn’t attack. No one attacked (imo). We were having a discussion and someone interrupted it by addressing both you and I. But it doesn’t matter because we’re fine.
Pickles — it’s all good! 🙂
Dak, I have read all your posts and I have found that the comments that bloggers made in response to your posts have been nothing but fair and honest.
CIT I had copied Dak’s comment to you and at the bottom I was telling him “Remember that when you go on your next attacking spree”
But anyways, I’m off to bed. Good Night All! (((hugs)))
ok, now I’m cracking up laughing at the vision of smartychica’s house full of hooker phones! lol. j/k …. g’night smarychica! You’re welcome anytime, of course!
PAW – Wow, that wasn’t clear to me at all, since the paragraph begins with – Concerned. Guess I’m used to quotation marks on others’ comments. I’m so very sorry. Perfect example of a true misunderstand, n’est pas?
I apologize for my mis-read. I wondered at why you sounded so darn cheerful after posting such a comment. Now it makes sense! (could’ve had a v-8!!!).
Also apologize for the interruption my misunderstanding caused.
smartyc, we have ALL tried to sympathize and make sense of this tragedy and we all just can’t understand why it had to happen, it was a senseless case as is always the case in an innocent person losing their life. that is why it angers us so much. Don’t feel alone in ur feelings.
CIT AND PICKLES,
You are both awesome bloggers and it is easy to see how the misunderstanding occured. It didn’t effect our blogging so you needn’t think twice about it. Misundertandings have occured many times on this blog, atleast you two have what it takes to make it right! We love you both!
I have to leave but will check when I get back. Hubby wants to run to WALLY WORLD…(walmart) lol…..
Pickles, Dak, someone, help!!!! What does IMO mean? I just escorted last guest out the door and I started reading today’s blogs, going bottoom to top and I keep seeing “IMO”.
My last comment on the subject on the matter is. PAW started with the attack issue first not me . There was no attacking or anyone accused of attacking until she started in and thats what Pi**es me off. And Pickles accusing me of barking orders(so rude) so goodnight.
MollyBear… IMO = In My Opinion
I just popped in and saw your question.
Night everyone, I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving.
Jan Barrett
IMO is In My Opinion, Molly. I’m just catching up here.
thanks Jan and Val. Now I can really go and read the blogs. I have 2 whole days to catch up on, I’ve been reading on the fly”firefly” and I wanna catch up. I did tivo Ng and I have to watch those also. Then there are all the documents that just got released. I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU LADIES DO IT!!!!!! + YOU ALL REMEMBER ALL OF THIS. Bet I will never have a disagreement here, cause my memory is like a sieve, leaky lol
Your memory (and mine) may be like a sieve, Molly, but in reviewing todays great posts, one factor is leaping out at me. If you add up all the evidence that M has lost that would help this case, you could convict her on just that!
1. She lost Caylee
2. She lost Zenaida’s number
3. she lost the Sim card on a desk that doesn’t exist.
4. She tried to lose the car (bad luck there)
5. She lost her pants that smelled like decomp
6. She lost her memory of the time she dropped Caylee off.
7. She lost her memory when she couldn’t find Zenaida’s mother’s condo. (Understandable, since no one there remembered her either).
8. And finally, she forgot exactly where she last saw Caylee (Sawgrass or Blanchard Park?)
I guess when you can’t remember anything you have no choice but to make stuff up.
Back but just for a moment. Thank you Jan, hope ur Thanksgiving was good also.
Mollybear, you are too cute. I’m like you….I can’t remember half the stuff some of these bloggers do!
Val, I too have add to ask at times what an abbreviation being used was for…..I’ve learned alot (lol).
Dak, take a chill pill bud and try again tomorrow. No one means to offend you. If you come across defending M……ya better be ready to take the heat b/c not much sympathy on here for her, sorry, that’s just the way it is.
Val, great summary, I can tell you paid attention to the blog. Your a keeper! Ya just summed it all up in a few short sentences and it took us all day and night to blog it~lol…
Thanks CHSAH, I try! It’s obvious that M couldn’t be left in charge of a guppy, much less a precious little girl, not for 5 minutes!
Val, you do well and we enjoy having you. Be sure to stick around, the blog is a great resource. LOL…I agree (guppy comment), that was a sad but true comment! I think that is why Dak catches alot of guff, it doesn’t take one long to figure out what you just stated and he seems to be blind to all the facts. So he gets asked alot of questions so we can see what on earth he is thinking and then he takes it personal. I don’t mind explaining myself, that’s what blogging is all about. IMO…LOL..
Well gotta go, good nite to all!
Good night CHSAH and all, I keep hopping in and out of here so don’t think I’m ignoring the great comments. I find opposing opinions always interesting. I may not agree with them today, but some make me recheck or adjust my stance, and in the big picture whatever my reality is, it’s fascinating that someone else’s reality can be quite opposite.
Well, I’m I’ve perused all the blogs, now I will try the documents tomorrow. I really don’t understand Dak, he doesn’t believe in the evidence. I do think sometimes the police do cut corners and settle for the oblivious suspect, but in this case, everything is out in the open. And facts are facts. I think its good for us to have him here, even though he doesn’t always listen or give us his sources. I have to admit he keeps everyone on his toes. And it helps me, because that makes you all give links that I didn’t see anywhere else. Robert from Canada and Dak make me laugh telling. Rob doesn’t even live here and he’s always talking about our laws. Heck, I live in Ky which is a Commonwealth, and some of our laws are a little different and the punishments are too. So I get a big charge when you ladies go for the throat.lol And your facts are on spot, and you all back it up too!!! And if you are wrong, you admit it. So Dak and Rob, learn to roll with the punches!!!! And give us your sources. And always admit if you are wrong or mistaken, because these ladies do not play. They are out for JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE and will settle for nothing else. Common sense and forensic evidence, plus Casey’s own lies will lead to a life sentence. I do not think she will get the death penalty she so richly deserves. She is young, attractive, and not a serial killer. There will be men on that jury, motherly types who will be thinking of the ants, and maybe a Dak or Robert from Canada. We’ll see.
Dakdude3 said,in November 28th, 2008 at 5:59 pm C~A that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense
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durh! Pretty straight forward to me…
I just love it when sum peeps stir up the maneure and then get shitty about responses they get!
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I am up way past my bedtime, had to come in and say good night if anyone is here!…
night cyber~fam!
I’m outta here 2, nite.
looks like y’all had quite a day. I wish someone was here right now…I just finished all the latest batch of docs (wow! I loved the Cindy/Rick emails)
Sounds like what most people would like to say to the ants.
On a side note Murt got engaged …
There have always been a couple of points that noone has discussed. 1. In her first story to the police she goes up to the door of the Sawgrass apts. to pick up Caylee (After her so called normal WORK day) and Zanny is not there, no answer…Gee, I wonder why. and then M says she calls her but the phone has been disconnected. The police do not ask her for that telephone #…why? I mean obviously if they had asked her what the number was she would have either said I don’t remember it, whic would have been strange in itself, or she would have made one up. In either case the police could prove that there was no such call and no such number.
2.There is a note from Casey to LE while she is in jail, asking the police to speak to her father about something,she said it was an unusual request, but she would really appreciate if they could.What happened to that? Did they talk to her father about anything related to this request?
Saluki – Somehow I feel that LE must have asked her about the phone number. I do remember at some point m giving LE the run around regarding Zanny’s numbers–saying she had different numbers, from various states. Sorry, don’t remember where I read/heard this.
2. This issue is explained in the newly released docs. This was one of the instances where Casey was indicating she wanted to “come clean” and talk. It occurred after a frustrating jailhouse meeting between all the Ants (surprise, surprise–Cindy was dominating the discussion). Casey made the request, and everything got set up. Then suddenly, Baez advised her not to talk to her own father.
This is tied to another instance. Casey was in the police car, on her way to jail (one of the times), and the officer told her they could turn left and go search for Caylee or they could turn right and go to jail. She chose left, indicating she wanted to help find Caylee. BUT THEN, Baez was called, and again, he advised her NOT TO HELP LOCATE CAYLEE!!!
Of course, we will probably never know if Casey would have lied again. Still, there is a glimmer of hope that maybe she would’ve cooperated. My big question on this is whether or not Baez did something wrong (illegal). Is it legal for an attorney to advise a client NOT to lead authorities to a dead body? Seems that would be breaking a law.
If anyone can shed light on this, let us know!
saluki – If I can find which Doc # contains the above-discussed story, I’ll post it here. I’ve been taking notes (sort of an index), but I don’t have it completely organized yet.
Mollybear – I had to run to the store, and the whole time I was feeling bad about misunderstanding PAW’s post. But I returned and read your post (and CHSAH’s) and feel so much better. I still wish I could’ve avoided it, but the fact that you could see what all happened makes me feel much better. I know you were commenting “in general,” but wanted to let you know it eased my anxiety.
Your quote, “These ladies do not play!!!” I love it!
Hey pickles! I didn’t get to say bye-bye to the Wild Oregon Gal! (you tried to tell me!).
C-A, CHSAH (thanks), OB, Val, Saluki, et al.:
Sharing something cool you guys might enjoy. Anyone else a fan of pumpkin ice cream? Each year, I eagerly await for Baskin/Robbins to start serving it, but tonight in the grocery store, I found that Dryer’s makes it, and it’s creamy yummy!!!
PAW — Gallons of hugs and ice cream for you?!? If you’re already asleep, you can enjoy the ice cream for breakfast!
Goodnight all. See yall later!
***Caylee–We all adore you and will never forget you. We’ll continue to demand the justice you deserve.***
Dear Heavenly Father,
Please help each of us tonight as we struggle to cope with the challenges of life. From those who are sick, having an operation, struggling with finances, family problems, and frustrations about this case. Each of us is trying to make sense out of a senseless situation. Why is a little girl missing and presumed dead? Why does the same little girl’s mother not report it for a month, why is that mother in jail for killing her child? Help each of us to realize that we may never know the answers to these questions. Give us the wisdom to accept what we cannot understand or change, but also give us the strength to be patient with each other. Above all Lord we pray for your help for each one of us as we face this sad situation. Be with everyone from law enforcement, searchers, family, friends, and above all with our beautiful Angel Caylee Marie Anthony. Also tonight Lord I pray that you work on the hard heart of Casey Anthony and get her to tell EVERYTHING SHE KNOWS. Confession is good for the soul. Also Lord be with each of us bloggers so we can work with each other instead of against each other. Help us to realize that when we fight with one another the sole purpose of each of us is lost. Being a part of the Caylee Anthony Justice Team IS THE REASON WE ARE EACH HERE. All these things we pray in Jesus Name. AMEN
amen concernedforcaylee
blessings to all and thank you for all we have.
Lovely prayer as usual C4C. Concerned in Texas, I haven’t tried pumpkin ice cream, but I will now look for it. Dreyer’s double churned is the best!
DAK – I am most interested to hear your theory of what happened to Caylee/where Caylee is as well as what you think was in the trunk of the car, etc.
If you would prefer not to share this with everyone here on the forum, feel free to email me at dannasaustin@aol.com (my myspace can also be accessed via the above email address).
morning all, any one here yet?? any new info??
Good morning All! Good morning, Anna!
Hi, CIT! I saw your question above “Is it legal for an attorney to advise a client NOT to lead authorities to a dead body? Seems that would be breaking a law.”
I guess first we have to accept the fact that defense lawyers and their clients must speak to each other in “Ifs.” Client: “IF I knew where her body was, should I tell the cops?”
Lawyer: “IF you knew, then no you should not because the fact that you know that will go against you – it could help them prove that you are responsible for her death. So it is not in your best interests to tell them.”
Sometimes defense lawyers must know inside themselves that their clients are guilty as sin, but they are still sworn to provide the best defense possible. The trick is for the accused to NOT confess to his/her lawyer because supposedly the law would require the lawyer to recuse himself and get another lawyer to represent the person. I don’t know why that is but it is.
In another example, say the cops have someone totally nailed for a murder, the accused could offer thru his/her attorney to show where the body is if the state will reduce the sentence.
Then the lawyer might say, “yeah, tell them. It’s as good a deal as you’re going to get.”
Am I muddying the waters or is this helping?
Hi, Kris!
How are you today? We’re thinking of you! And we miss you!
m said she left the phone with zannis # at work on her desk, she didnt know it off hand, so how did she call when no one was home?? also cince its been proven there was no job why woukd she need nanny?? wonder if they asked her that?
m2c i think your right if m admitted to bb that she did kill caylee he would have to report it to le, i dont think he could just cover that up it would be obstruction, imo i think bb doesnt want m to be helpfull becausse the attention on this case would dwindle and he wants fame only mo
Hey, anna! That’s right about the phone “being lost.” And she did give three different area codes to her brother that zanny had supposedly called from in the past. All a bunch of baloney.
In spite of not having a job M to this day insists there was a nanny. So it doesn’t matter if she “needed” one or not. This is the one remaining lie that so far the police cannot prove or disprove 100%. That’s why she’s sticking with it. All her other lies were revealed.
Hi, anna! I believe that if M admitted to BB that she killed Caylee that BB would have to stop being her main lawyer – he would NOT have to tell LE. She still has attorney/client privilege so he could NOT tell LE. Attorney/client privilege trumps everything.
But I believe the law says that he would not be allowed to represent her. He’d have to get someone else to do it. Maybe he could take second chair (not sure). I can’t imagine how that law is enforced – it seems unenforceable except by the morals and conscience of the lawyer involved.
Good morning!!
And its not xactly like that bb dusnt have to report it to LE if she admittd to killng Caylee…and he culd still be her lawyr…it wuld be bettr fur bb if she fessd up cus then he culd come up with sum great defense..like the ppd…
If she wuld just admit it then they culd go frum there and thats whut lemon is fur….but Im not entirely sur eithr but I kno that he dusnt have to tell LE if she admits it…he is her lawyr and he is a criminal defense lawyr so he’s only there fur the criminal regardless of the crime…
m said she left the phone with zannis # at work on her desk
Yah kno whuts funny bout that?? She nevr workd or had a work desk…thats why I dunt think the phone evn exists…I mean are there any records fur this phone or a numbr?? We had the phone conversation yestrdy It wus awesum!!
mornin bumpy! Yah, she even said she got the phone through work? Durh!
But I believe the law says that he would not be allowed to represent her. He’d have to get someone else to do it. Maybe he could take second chair
DO jooo think thats why lemon wus brought on board..cus like bb wuldnt evr admitt that she confessd…cus once she confesses they are definetly start cookn there defense up..but do you think thats why lemon is there now???Besides to keep her hide frum fryng???
C~A morning..Yah I just dunt think its a real xsistng phone…especially now that she said it wus on her work desk and that she got the phone thru work….so of course it dunt xist…cus “work” dunt xist
OH yah FYI :: Paddy did a exclusive intrview with Globe magazine..I nevr noticd it before when it furst came in the mail but I wus just readng it…and it says Padillla said in an exclusive intrview…!!! HMMMM
blah blah blah whutevr…blah 😛
When Lemon took on the case we all speculated whether it was because M had ‘fessed up to BB or whether it was because BB does not have the credentials to represent someone for murder or whether it was just because Lemon is a specialist in death penalty cases. I doubt we’ll ever know. But it will be interesting to see if the state takes the death penalty off the table – and there has been talk of that – whether Lemon stays on as her attorney. Because BB STILL doesn’t have the necessary experience to defend her on any kind of murder charge by himself (I don’t think, does he?)
To me worrying about things like the phone she “left on her desk” is the same kind of thing that C does – like C telling cops she thinks that “zanny” isn’t an individual, it probably means who ever is taking care of Caylee at the time. And “Jeff” isn’t really Jeff, it’s M’s “code” for Ricardo because when she talks about Jeff’s mother she really means Ricardo’s mother. It’s all drivel, a quagmire of nonsense that we get bogged down in when we try to unravel or examine any bit of what M has said because it is ALL LIES!
sorry bell guy here for phone and making pancakes…I’m back…been checkin in alot lately but most being a firefly….cept the comment about neck breaking that dak thought didn’ make sense…durh!
Good morning fellow bloggers. I just read about the so called National Vigil, being arranged by Michelle Bart of Kidfinders. I fervently hope that Michelle Bart, puts both feet firmly in her mouth where it belongs! I think that what will happen is that the mother of the child whose picture at the mall is being waved as the true Caylee comes forward NATIONALLY and sues Kidfinders and the Anthony’s. Bart is putting this child’s life in danger and jeopardizing the safety of this mother with this nonsense.
From wesh.com
“They plan to return to the spotlight Sunday night by holding a local and national vigil for Caylee and thousands of other missing children.
The vigil will be hosted at the usual spot, the Eastside Baptist Church off of Conway Gardens Road. There will be simultaneous vigils in Oregon, California and Michigan at 8 p.m. Eastern Time.
“After 24 weeks, to declare this case closed, it is not only inhumane, it’s disrespectful,” family spokesperson Michelle Bart said.
Cindy Anthony has been accused of trying to create reasonable doubt by insisting that Caylee is still alive. She has repeatedly denied the accusation. “
Saluki!! Mornin!!!
I have to wonder how they’re going to get media coverage when they’ve always forbidden cameras inside the church during vigils! LOL!
Seriously, I wonder what the significance is of the other three locations – Oregon, CA and Michigan. Are they where other branches of kidfinders are? Or are there parents of missing kids there who are participating? I went to the kidfinders website to try to find out. Wow. They’ve really spiffed it up since I first saw it. AND they’re selling some kind of device. Billboards and reverse 911 calls – that’s what they do! You’d think the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (and other similar decent orgs) never existed!
After they put M behind bars forever I truly hope they go after Kidfinders because I am not going to be truly happy until all those Milsteads and Bart scumbuckets get put in there with her. Money grubbing parasites!
M2C – if a person confesses to their attorney, the attorney as an officer of the court cannot plead that client not guilty knowing that it is not the truth. The attorney client privilege stays intact, but the attorney is obligated not to state a known falsehood in court.
SO LE closed the case then??? They are dun with all there investigation they kno whut they need to kno?? Welp if they closed the case they mustah got somthng juicy frum the feds last week or whatvr it wus when they said they will no longr search fur a live child…ooohhh juicy maggot guts…..magical widdle buggies!!!
Seriously, I wonder what the significance is of the other three locations – Oregon
thers a kidfindrs here????
GO DANNA GO DANNA that rokd!!!
Seriously, I wonder what the significance is of the other three locations – Oregon, CA and Michigan
huh ORegon
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Milstead, the founder of Kidfinders owns the billboard-on-wheels company and all the other chotchkes they sell. Didn’t he say publicly at one point it was a 90/10 split with him getting 90%?
They have never found a child to my knowledge nor do they actually look. They just sell things and hold events to publicize missing kids. Then they collect donations in various ways like raffles, etc. Apparently these donations are spent on growing their business. I have seen the organization discussed on here and other blogs in depth. Very shady.
Yesterday there was a discussion about Casey’s cellphones and SIM card. I went back to the docs and checked.
She told LE that her new phone (the Blackjack) was her “work phone” and had been provided by Universal but that it could not keep a charge so she had removed the SIM card and put it in her old phone (the Nokia). She had left her new phone on her desk and after several days it had disappeared and she filed a report at Universal security (supposedly 9 days prior to her initial interview).
All of that is BS of course but the important thing is that she said both phones were under the same number – her personal number – and that she just used the other phone for business. She said she had saved some numbers to the other phone – like Jeff Hopkins, etc. and that was why she could not give them to LE, they were saved to her “lost” phone.
So it looks like she not only had her SIM card in her current cellphone (I can’t remember if she left that at Tony’s and Lee came to pick it up with her things), but the telephone number was exactly the same so all records were traceable by LE. I believe it might have been an at&t account. It’s true she could have had other pre-paid phones she did not mention to LE, but it looks like she was making enough calls from her Nokia that it functioned like a virtual GPS in terms of her whereabouts.
Danna @ 10:59. That’s true and probably why that attorney could no longer represent that client. Another attorney would have to step in.
Pickles, I looked a little bit on the kidfinders’ web site to see if there are other locations but did not see any. Didn’t spend too much time there as it upsets my stomach.
But since you are in Oregon maybe you’ll see some news about whoever it is there who is going to be part of this vigil. Let us know, will ya?
Danna – You must not have seen the other posts – a number of them over the past months – where people seem to think that if M confessed to BB that BB would have to tell LE.
He would NOT. He isn’t allowed to break attorney/client privilege to do that. That’s all I was trying to say to let those people know.
Yes, Novalis! Kidfinders has mirror-image FOR profit companies for it’s so-called non-profit ones. A telemarketing company (same as the reverse 911 calls) and a billboard company (same as ones used for missing kids). It’s all very very convenient and suspect. I hope the IRS or someone investigates them.
mytwocents – my research indicated that the telemarketing firms (two, one of which was a phone sex line) were owned by the Never Lose Hope Foundation principals – which of course have had some close associations with Milstead’s Kidfinders Network. But I could be wrong – perhaps they are both in that business.
I believe I also saw that NLHF had – through several name changes designed to avoid its charity status being revoked, had at one point changed its name to HelpNet USA. Was that the name of an organization on Michelle Bart’s(currently KFN spokesperson)resume? Someone in here posted her resume I believe. If that is true, it would certainly link the two organizations further.
If the investigation is declared closed…GUESS WHAT MICHELLE! THE FBI HAS PROOF BABY IS NOT ALIVE…THESES PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK
My mistake – I got the name wrong. Michelle Bart apparently owns a PR consulting company that does event planning and fundraising. She has been hired by KFN mostly likely on a retainer or subcontractor basis. Development consultants are not cheap.
This is an excerpt from her professional bio from Nov. 14 posted by Dakdude3:
Michelle launched a new company called Helping Heroes, Inc. and later opened Helping Heroes Productions: clients include non-profit and for-profit organizations needing marketing, capital development, and public relations.
Any credibility in this?
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2094
Yah its all shady anythng tuh do wit these ppl is shady…
michelle bart is an euntrepmenure!!!
And bb dus not have to tell if killr confesses to him…not at all his job is to find the best way to defend her and keep her frum the green mile…I mean there are countless murders out there that have confessd to there lawyrs and have been representd…I mean morally bb is definetly playng devils advocate and how he sleeps at nite is beyond me…IF it wus me I wuld quit and ratt her out IF she confessd..but bb he defends criminals…thats his callng its whut he dus he is out lookng fur the rape-0-s and the murderers and the molestrs…to represent!!
good morning all what is the LE closed the case stuff i am reading
Thank you, Novalis! No wonder I keep getting KFN and NLHF mixed up. I found docs at sunbiz (Fl state records) about NLHF. They only list the directors. The founders are not listed. Would be interesting if the founders are the Milsteads. Anyway – two peas in a pod I’m afraid. Both should be investigated.
Flower!!! Did they close the case of is that refferng to them sayng they are no longr searchng fur a livng child??
i was sick yeaterday and was not on,but want to send out a GET WELL SOON KRIS shout out and hope u come back on as soon as possible
Investigators released hundreds of pages of evidence this week which pertain to their case against Casey Anthony. The pages included phone records, photos, DNA results, computer search information and more
DNA RESULTS of whut???
no i was just reading some above post and thought that is what i read pickles,but i am not fully awake yet i could be mistaken in what i read
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/11/casey-anthon-10.html
Three year old Caylee Marie Anthony is reported to have been missing since June 2008. The mother, Casey Anthony is portrayed as being silent since her arrest, and is described by those who really know her as a loving, caring and protective parent who desperately misses her child. After numerous searches involving thousands of dedicated, caring citizens whose efforts are greatly appreciated by investigator Dominic Casey, the Anthony family, and the child’s mother, the hope of finding Caylee Marie alive is still very realistic. It’s been reported that inconclusive forensic reports verify that fact as do numerous sightings
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/11/prweb1682364.htm
this is the PI workn fur the ants
Anuthr person makng a buck off of Caylee isnt it amazng the gravy train ceases to dry up fur all these ppl..nice web page huh gettng sum commercial advertismnt off of Caylee’s name
Yah wanna kno whut is evn more bizzare tuh muh is that they prefer Tim searchng fur Caylee rathr then Paddy..I mean last time I heard both of them were searchng fur a deceasd child….dusnt that contradict them when they claim that Caylee is alive
if casey is a loving and caring mother she would speak out and give LE some clues about her child whereabouts,therefore the only reason i see her keeping her mouth shut is she knows caylee is dead,and she had a hand in her death,it has nothing to do with her protecting her child because she already knows caylee is dead
What about the story of the hairbrush? Cindy Anthony says it’s all a misunderstanding.
She told WFTV-Channel 9 that she didn’t try to deceive investigators by giving them a wrong hairbrush as they searched for her missing granddaughter, Caylee, in the summer.
“Did you purposely give investigators the wrong hairbrush?” reporter Jeff Deal asked.
“No, absolutely not,” Cindy Anthony said
“Did I go around and try to find all the hairbrushes? No. It wasn’t deception,” Cindy told WFTV. She tried to clarify the confusing e-mail.
Cindy said the hairbrush she handed over was used by Caylee and Casey.
“I’m not afraid of getting arrested,” Cindy Anthony said. “They know when I handed them that brush that I told them it was Casey’s brush.”
I wuld say she needs tuh go tuh jail then..she knew quite clearly why LE wuntd a brush yet she brought them killr’s she shuld go to jail…
I told them it was Casey’s brush
cindy’s brother said it all,what grandparent doesn’t know who is watching your grandchild if cindy is such a control freak as we see,she would have everything possible on the nanny,phone number are address,but not to know even what the nanny looked like for godsake,i bet she is kicking her own butt for that one
Flower…casey is keeping silent to save her ass…not protect her daughter…if she were innocent she would have talked from day one. It’s that simple….
she might very well be dubbed
THE SILENT KILLER…when she is convicted..
Like son of sam or the night stalker idea!
She tried to clarify the confusing e-mail
dig it deepr c dig it deepr…the nation is watchng and we see the madness you have creatd fur yurself…it isnt gunna taint the jury pool its gunna open there eyes to all the lies…I dunt think LE or the state has anything to worry bout like Judge Strickland said that there is no threat to the Administration of Justice…
The only thing c is kickng her own butt fur is callng 911…if she wulda just givn killr one more day and not calld the cops…killr wulda talkd her way out of evr being in trubble…she wulda laid sum morbid guilt on c as to why she had to do way with Caylee and no one in the world evr wulda known
Cindy Anthony tells WFTV:
I’m not afraid of getting arrested
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mytwocents – you’re welcome. I believe NLHF has as one of its principals a Mr. William Rivera. It looks like steps were taken to officially register the org under an atty firm in S. Florida, although all of the board members live in Orlando I believe.
Websearches on NLHF will help you find what you are looking for.
Yah silent killr is good…but I like skank hoe bag bebe killr thats waaay bettr~!!
C is a lying, manipulative media whore who loves her maggot more then caylee…cause she is a carbon copy of the control freak.
She has lied as much as maggot has IMO. She knows baby is dead, which is why she is trying to everything she can to get maggot off
#1 because of her guilt of pushing m over the edge by choking her…
#2 If maggot gets off, she gets off for all her obstruction and lies
#3 She will never have to believe maggot killed her grandchild….that is the main purpose for her behaviour.
Hey did I post bout Paddy doin an exclusive interview fur Globe magazine (tabloid) I wus all whuuuu??? Not Paddy great Paddy..whuuu???
Shes a waste..yur right and if she wulda just listnd to killr and not calld the cops that day none of us wuld of evr of heard of them …not at all they all wulda agreed to hide the body and the evidnce and gone on with there lives if anyone askd bout Caylee they wulda lied: shes at the nannys or at the beach or at universal studios or we sent her to prep school fur gurls…
my question is why would casey lie to LE about everything she said,did she think by putting on the i am cute trick was going to make LE not check into everything she said,and prove her wrong,are did she think LE was going to just take everything she said as gospel truth?
Good afternoon all.
I just want to say this:
At least 90% of the blogger here are mothers,
IMO Due to everything Casey has said and shown, she is guilty of killing her daughter, No mother in their right mind is going to fabricate a story and then keep their mouth shut and not ask the nation to help find her child if her child is TRULY MISSING or was TRULY KIDNAPPED.
When you put ALL THE FACTS together in this case, it clearly shows she killed her daughter.
We all wish Caylee was alive. We all have hoped she would be dropped off at home or at LE. But it’s just not going to happen.
In kidnapping cases, The kidnapper wants ransom. That has not happened in this case.
Even woman who have been convicted of killing their kids went in front of the nation asking for help to find their kids, knowing that they were dead.
Casey hasn’t asked anyone to help find her daughter. The only one she asked, was LE, And even then, she lead them on a wild goose chase and did nothing but lie.
No one in this family has told the truth about anything. Other than George and he told bits and pieces.
This case is heart breaking.
I think she thought they wuld take it as the gospel truth and loook fur her missng daughtr…maybe she shulda calld on the 16th of June when her daughtr wus abductd…maybe then they wuldnt veiw her as a suspect…Caylee is dead hello!! I mean whut does she xpect fur them to just let it go…with all the evidnce and whuts the new DNA evidnce releasd this week ??
And the only reason g told the truth is cus c wusnt ther to muzzle him……
i pose a question to everyone,would like some feedback,maybe casey was afraid of someone in her own family doing harm to caylee,and that is the reason for household weapons search,maybe she hid caylee from her own grandparents for some reason,doesn’t explain the decomp in the car though,just a theory
Casey hated everyone who loved Caylee.
I thnk she is a maniac and wuntd to harm Caylee or her mothr fur chokng her..I doubt that Caylee is alive safely hiddn away…
Caylee took away Casey’s center attention and Casey didn’t like that. It made her hateful and spiteful towards everyone.
flower…I think she combined the both…she is really into her body image and prob. always sucked men in with her “I am cute” and am going to get you to do what I want. With LE same thing , distract you so you can’t right through me cause I am lying biotch..but if you see the way I walk you might wanna sleep with me instead of charging me.
She so high on herself she prob. thought she could sleep and lie her way outta just about anything.
I dunt think that Caylee is alive hiddn…all that crap about Caylee being molestd and killr being molestd is nonesense she is tryng to justify her actions…Maybe the household weapon wus fur c if see went fur her throat again….killr deservd it..she shuldnt of stole frum her grandparnts…muh momma wulda rung muh nek too@
Bumpy, not only that, but being molested, doesn’t give you the right to kill anyone what so ever.
maybe casey was going to kill c and g and somehow caylee got into the chloroform instead and died and then she had to cover it up, remember she lied to amy about taking over the house when her parents moved out,maybe that was her intentions in the beginning
flowerchild – if Casey cared enough about her baby to have kept her away from someone in the family (I assume you are referring to incest allegations toward Lee or other abuse by G) then she would have most likely also been the type of mother who did not leave her with them when she went out to party, would not have brought her to parties at Amy’s house, would not have had her at Fusian. I tend to discount that because she really showed no other serious signs of being a dedicated mom and in fact was more like the type to foist her off on anyone who would care for her – even from the beginning at Jesse’s house. IMHO
Flower, when that was going on, G and C were seperated. But you do have a good point about maybe her killing C and G. Maybe she was planning to kill all 3 of them.
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Yah she is real intuh hurself and her image dat b fur sur…You kno its sad…cus she is a pretty yung woman….and if alls she wuntd to do wus suck on men and have XXX pics and become an escort she culda dun it without killng Caylee…but no…because she saw Caylee as the othr woman and not her child she wus jealous of Caylee cus Caylee took away c frum her..c had turnd all her nurture and care to Caylee…Caylee took her career path frum her she culdnt go out suckn on weinr anymore cus she had to do MOMMY DUTIES…Caylee took men frum her cus they didnt wunt her tuh bring Caylee with her..she hated Caylee
I dunt think she evr intended on killng c and g…I think she just wuntd Caylee gone so she culd go bak to her norml life…She nevr wuld of gottn away with killng c and g…
I think she wus just lyng to Amy bout the house…compulsive liars need a lie to feed on if they dunt have one goin allready…she may of been feelng empty so she needed to fill up on the lie!!
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So Lee’s telling Jesse about this fight poor Casey had with her mean mommy? WHEN did he tell this to Jesse…. I’m guessing it wasn’t during the month while Casey was enjoying life without her baby. Nobody in the family did ANYTHING to bring Caylee home for a full month…. this alleged fight must not have been very out of the ordinary.
Was Lee THERE to witness this or did he hear this story from the pathological liar?
Where was Caylee while this alleged attack was taking place? Was she safe with the nanny *roll eyes*… or there to witness yet another tantrum by her idiotic mother?
IMO, it’s more likely that Cindy grabbed Casey’s shoulders *near* her neck & the story is being embellished to show Casey as some poor mistreated victim who was driven to violence.
Too bad Casey was doing searches for “neck breaking” months BEFORE this alleged incident even took place. I’m sure Jesse wasn’t impressed by Lee’s sob story & pitiful excuse for why the mother of the year ran away from home & dragged her baby away from the only parents she really knew.
As far as NOBODY having the make-believe Nanny’s phone number… it’s so sad that they knew in the back of their minds that there was NO NANNY and yet they didn’t stop to ask themselves if Caylee was being taken care of while Cassey was busy stealing & non-stop calling and texting & partying & screwing her brains out.
NO SANE person will watch a child without getting the mother’s phone number AND an alternate emergency number in case the mother is unavailable. I’d love to hear the whole list of emergency contact numbers that Casey gave to the make-believe nanny. lol
And WHO could blame Cindy for embarrassing Casey in front of her friends? The brat was a total TRAINWRECK…. an inconsiderate, immature, nasty, ungrateful, self-centered loser…. no job, no education & no ambition in life other than to wait around for her friends to get home from school or jobs so she’d have someone to drink with & text idiotic messages.
Pickles, I also believe Caylee’s daddy is JP… she’s the spitting image of him.
And I agree, Casey probably has NO CLUE who got her pregnant & probably never wanted to know because that would have meant having even MORE adults in her life… giving her headaches about how it’s time to grow up & become a responsible mother. It was much better for her to say the father is dead.
I wonder if LE had quietly asked a few men to submit to paternity tests just in case Caylee was found alive OR even dead so the father’s family would have the opportunity to bury this sweet child.
Though, I doubt any man or family would want to step forward & become part of the sick Anthony circus…. not even for Caylee.
Who would know the ins and outs of how to obstruct justice better than most people?
Ex-Law enforcement. George was a homicide investigator years ago.
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